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Carbine,
The information is starting to pile up and it’s getting to a point where it can’t just be brushed under the rug any more. Threads upon threads upon threads of people un-subbing and quitting, threads upon threads of asking for server mergers, and threads upon threads of people asking for changes and stating they are fed up. There are going to be people that say you have no facts to back that up, but we both know that things are going downhill. So Carbine I would like to say that you need to be proactive instead of reactive in the next month. Don’t wait for quarterly reports to come out and confirm what we all can see, don’t wait until NCSoft steps in and forces you to go one way or another that you don’t want to. It’s time to really dive into trying to stop the bleeding. I know that you aren’t looking to be the biggest or largest game on the market and I am totally ok with this, but you aren’t going to be a game if you can’t retain subs. So from a player that truly does love the game, someone that wants this game to succeed and because of this I get very adamant about the things that I feel need changed.
Please Carbine, please don’t be stubborn, please realize there needs to be a change and please at least say you are looking into a fix for the declining population and how much of a ghost town most of the servers are!
 
Thanks
 	
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Couple of things I agree with, but the server desolation issue is something that was bound to happen as the community was too stubborn to realize that Logon Queues are better than empty servers. This is just the consequence that many of us claimed back then, and it was readily ignored.
 
The other things is, as worried as I am about the same issues as yourself, I'd urge you to give this a read: http://biobreak.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/the-worst-time-for-a-new-mmo/
 
Pretty enlightening stuff.	
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I think it's too soon to call this the new "Tortanic". :P
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			Well, going up against WoD, they should do the server merging/cross-realm RIFT style bandaids sooner rather then later imo.	
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Well, going up against WoD, they should do the server merging/cross-realm RIFT style bandaids sooner rather then later imo.
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I am not sold on what many people in these forums think that WoD is going to be. seems more like its going to be a release more in lines with the NGE
 
be that as it may, if they are going to merge then do it. I would prefer no cross realm "fixes". I would rather compete against people on my own realm for resources... not everyone and their dog.
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@Tank,
 
I will be playing WoD AND WS ( and The Repopulation when it finally comes out.) ;)	
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@Tank,
 
I will be playing WoD AND WS ( and The Repopulation when it finally comes out.) ;)
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I am not sold on what many people in these forums think that WoD is going to be.
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It's gonna work like other expansions and other MMOs:
 
-before playing: Oh my god, this is the best thing ever happened to this game.
-while playing: *incoherent showcase of extreme happiness*
-1 week after playing: Well, that was ****** awesome, but it was short, when is the next one?
-2 weeks: Well, I don't know, guys, sure this expansion was pretty but you could have done better.
-4 weeks: Seriously, 4 weeks after your so-called "expansion" and you have nothing else?
-6 weeks: That's it, it shows you don't care anymore. Should have realized that with this crappy add-on, I mean expansion of yours. So, I'm just gonna go back to another MMO while still having unrealistic expectations, praise them for a few before saying how bad it is and coming back to another.
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It's gonna work like other expansions and other MMOs:
 
-before playing: Oh my god, this is the best thing ever happened to this game.
-while playing: *incoherent showcase of extreme happiness*
-1 week after playing: Well, that was ****** awesome, but it was short, when is the next one?
-2 weeks: Well, I don't know, guys, sure this expansion was pretty but you could have done better.
-4 weeks: Seriously, 4 weeks after your so-called "expansion" and you have nothing else?
-6 weeks: That's it, it shows you don't care anymore. Should have realized that with this crappy add-on, I mean expansion of yours. So, I'm just gonna go back to another MMO while still having unrealistic expectations, praise them for a few before saying how bad it is and coming back to another.
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Of course there are, you started half of them.  Just the daily Nottino thread, nothing to see here, move along.
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Carbine,
The information is starting to pile up and it’s getting to a point where it can’t just be brushed under the rug any more. Threads upon threads upon threads of people un-subbing and quitting, threads upon threads of asking for server mergers, and threads upon threads of people asking for changes and stating they are fed up.
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Of course there are, you started half of them.  Just the daily Nottino thread, nothing to see here, move along.
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			You literally make these posts everyday trying to be the squeaky wheel.  Guess what?  Sometimes the squeaky wheel should be thrown away and not greased because it is a bad wheel.	
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You literally make these posts everyday trying to be the squeaky wheel.  Guess what?  Sometimes the squeaky wheel should be thrown away and not greased because it is a bad wheel.
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Even if WoD is an epic fail, for 1-2months after its released a huge chunk of the playerbase will be there playing it.
 
In that short time period, things could get very dicey for Wildstar unless they've addressed the server issues before that point.
 
 
Edit: Because NCSOFT can always pull the rug out if subs drop too low or force a F2P conversion
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			I am happy.  My guildmates are still happy.  The people who come to the forums are a vocal minority of actual players.	
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It's gonna work like other expansions and other MMOs:
 
-before playing: Oh my god, this is the best thing ever happened to this game.
-while playing: *incoherent showcase of extreme happiness*
-1 week after playing: Well, that was ****** awesome, but it was short, when is the next one?
-2 weeks: Well, I don't know, guys, sure this expansion was pretty but you could have done better.
-4 weeks: Seriously, 4 weeks after your so-called "expansion" and you have nothing else?
-6 weeks: That's it, it shows you don't care anymore. Should have realized that with this crappy add-on, I mean expansion of yours. So, I'm just gonna go back to another MMO while still having unrealistic expectations, praise them for a few before saying how bad it is and coming back to another.
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 you know that little list reads just the same for wildstar, just like every mmo experience, that hasn't turned into a mega success
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I am happy.  My guildmates are still happy.  The people who come to the forums are a vocal minority of actual players.
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So basically every NA mmo except for WoW. Except she was talking about WoW. So every mmo ever?
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 you have that backwards  forum goers area minority that is  vocal. that means all of us not just the positive or negative side of the forums
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 Nottino can't do silver dungeons and want them nerfed so that he can complain about Genetic Archive bosses being too hard.
 
Personally, I was going to wait a few weeks before complaining that Ohmna is too hard and is keeping me from experiencing 40 mans and that Carbine should completely change her to a way I can do it but not be a nerf.
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haha, for real man? You have way too much hate in your heart. You say that I am causing problems on the forums but look at what you are writing. Again don't assume anything because you have no idea what is going to happen and it's only going to make an as.. well you know the saying.
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I don't hate you, I am just trying to protect my game from you.
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I am happy.  My guildmates are still happy.  The people who come to the forums are a vocal minority of actual players.
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I am happy.  My guildmates are still happy.  The people who come to the forums are a vocal minority of actual players.
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			I'm not sure dungeons were ever the issue tbh. It's the horrible design choices.RNG ect.	
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Tenner-should we date?
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			The Devs are Listening. The Devs are silently deciding what to do. No end of threads will draw out more information.	
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Every thread... every single thread... 
I'll never understand how people can be this egotistical/solipsistic/narcissist/whatever you want to call an attitude that ignores all reality outside one's own personal space.  :mellow:
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Because this game was made for people like me and the people I raid with.  You know, the people who don't complain as long as a challenge is doable.  We just work on it until we do it.  The only time we complain is when there is an actual bug preventing something from being accomplished.  That is the type of player who should be raiding in this game.
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Because this game was made for people like me and the people I raid with.  You know, the people who don't complain as long as a challenge is doable.  We just work on it until we do it.  The only time we complain is when there is an actual bug preventing something from being accomplished.  That is the type of player who should be raiding in this game.
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			I imagine Sac (teehee) is a bowling pin when he comments. Setting himself up and getting knocked down again and again. You'd think he would get tired of it-although I doubt I ever will > : )	
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The thread isn't even primarily about raiding, but it figures you'd draw the conversation there.
Because raiding is important to you.
And the fact you only care about your situation, your enjoyment, your priorities, state of the game be damned, is already obvious.  :rolleyes:
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I wonder what changes he could be possibly talking about?
 
This game was sold to a certain crowd.  The people like me.  Server merges can happen when Carbine thinks they are right, but anything that makes this game easier in regards to raiding, is something I am adamantly against.
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I was stating that because of all the threads and everyone quitting the servers are dead. Of course you'd read the part you want to talk about.
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Servers are dead?  My server is very much alive.  We have multiple guilds on both Dominion and Exiles doing Genetic Archives.  We are still able to actively recruit to start up a second Genetic Archives group soon.  So...yeah...
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and there are about 3-4 medium pop servers and the rest are low. Obviously, again you only want to talk about your experience and how you are right instead of seeing what is really going on around you.
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I never said that server merges were against the question.  All I know is that for 3-4 servers, whatever Carbine is doing is working.
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Every thread... every single thread... 
I'll never understand how people can be this egotistical/solipsistic/narcissist/whatever you want to call an attitude that ignores all reality outside one's own personal space.  :mellow:
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Yes, and I would argue that most of the people who have left are the normal people who leave within 2 months of a new game starting.  Not because the game is too hard.
 
 
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The White Knights Of The Hardcore Table consistently seem to have this issue of seeing other players as nothing more than another NPC to use and abuse.
 
I could make the psychological connection, but that cupcake's above my pay grade. I'm just here to build a house and make my engineer look cute.
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and there are about 3-4 medium pop servers and the rest are low. Obviously, again you only want to talk about your experience and how you are right instead of seeing what is really going on around you.
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I am happy.  My guildmates are still happy.  The people who come to the forums are a vocal minority of actual players.
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			Seriously all. WTH do you expect Carbine to do. They are listening , they are pumping out fixes as soon as they can. Things CANNOT be changed over night. Also, all the things people are barking about now, by the time they get something new out,them same people will have already been long gone.Then new people who didn't care about these changes will be barking about something else. It never ends. I have never seen a company do what Carbine does, EVER ! No other company has live streams every dam week, and puts up with all the complaints, insults. But Carbine does ! I really wish they would just STOP listening to you all, stop having streams and just keep doing what there doing. Making one heck of a good game ! It's clear this game will never be the new king and that's OK. Just let these people go and find something new. We'll be just fine and dandy. Keep up the great work Carbine ! I really feel for you all, I could see it in Frosts voice last Tues. Don't stress to hard ! 	
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The White Knights Of The Hardcore Table consistently seem to have this issue of seeing other players as nothing more than another NPC to use and abuse.
 
I could make the psychological connection, but that cupcake's above my pay grade. I'm just here to build a house and make my engineer look cute.
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and this is why I don't think you fully understand what's really going on and how badly your mentality of "me", "my", "I" mentality is only showing your true colors.
 
http://wsstatus.com/   <- quite a few more than 3-4 servers
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I don't hate you, I am just trying to protect my game from you.
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Sometimes I just wish threads like this wouldnt exist :V Every time I see the negative feedback I feel this urge to stop playing.
I know they're just trying to help, but with all the negative feedback they're hurting the game more than they're helping ._.
No one stops to think about how they might influence other people... Thankfully my desire to play Wildstar is stronger...	
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The White Knights Of The Hardcore Table consistently seem to have this issue of seeing other players as nothing more than another NPC to use and abuse.
 
I could make the psychological connection, but that cupcake's above my pay grade. I'm just here to build a house and make my engineer look cute.
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			That's exactly why the devs need to really listen and hurry up addressing things. Their fault they ignored beta/ptr feedback.	
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Sometimes I just wish threads like this wouldnt exist :V 
Every time I see the negative feedback I feel this urge to stop playing.
I know they're just trying to help, but with all the negative feedback they're hurting the game more than they're helping ._.
No one stops to think about how they might influence other people... Thankfully my desire to play Wildstar is stronger...
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Yes, and I would argue that most of the people who have left are the normal people who leave within 2 months of a new game starting.  Not because the game is too hard.
 
 
 
I am most definitely not a white knight, women are more than capable of defending themselves in online discussions.
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I never said that server merges were against the question.  All I know is that for 3-4 servers, whatever Carbine is doing is working.
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First off, people aren't leaving because the game is hard. They're leaving because its tedious. They look at the mountain of time they're going to have to sink into something just to have the RNG gods decide their fate.
Second, It's not normal for a game to lose more than 50% of their player base in a month unless something is wrong. (Assertion based on screen shots from 1 month and last weekend.)
Third, What the hell does being a woman have to do with you being a white knight for Carbine? Drop the feminist crap and grow up, it's 2014 not 1970.
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First of all, people need to grow up then.  Tedious?  The only two tedious things about attunement are rep being before adventures and world bosses since they are super easy, take a good chunk of time, and you have to look for them.
Second, proof to that claim?
Third, are you somehow against women?  Are they something that frighten your masculinity?  Is me somehow calling you out for taking a term out of context somehow hurting your feelings?
 
A white knight: A gaming term used to describe a male gamer who, in a desperate attempt to get himself laid, will attempt to woo or impress any female gamer he comes across online by being overly defensive of her and giving her special attention, such as playing as a healing class and only healing her.
 
Yes, I want carbine to shower me with their love and affection.  Please Carbine, give me your goodness!
 
 
 
Europeans are weird.
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Even if WoD is an epic fail, for 1-2months after its released a huge chunk of the playerbase will be there playing it.
 
In that short time period, things could get very dicey for Wildstar unless they've addressed the server issues before that point.
 
 
Edit: Because NCSOFT can always pull the rug out if subs drop too low or force a F2P conversion :(
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Couple of things I agree with, but the server desolation issue is something that was bound to happen as the community was too stubborn to realize that Logon Queues are better than empty servers. This is just the consequence that many of us claimed back then, and it was readily ignored.
 
The other things is, as worried as I am about the same issues as yourself, I'd urge you to give this a read: http://biobreak.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/the-worst-time-for-a-new-mmo/
 
Pretty enlightening stuff.
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First of all, people need to grow up then.  Tedious?  The only two tedious things about attunement are rep being before adventures and world bosses since they are super easy, take a good chunk of time, and you have to look for them.
Second, proof to that claim?
Third, are you somehow against women?  Are they something that frighten your masculinity?  Is me somehow calling you out for taking a term out of context somehow hurting your feelings?
 
A white knight: A gaming term used to describe a male gamer who, in a desperate attempt to get himself laid, will attempt to woo or impress any female gamer he comes across online by being overly defensive of her and giving her special attention, such as playing as a healing class and only healing her.
 
Yes, I want carbine to shower me with their love and affection.  Please Carbine, give me your goodness!
 
 
 
Europeans are weird.
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Did alot of people "cupcake" up and ignore what they were told yes....sadly I guess for now nothing we can do but move past it and try and fix the issue as best possible I mean people should of just waited for it too cool down but oh well and they shouldn't of opened so many. Mergers always happen but just depends on when.  So all thats left is once again to really try and fix the situation.
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Sadly, I expect this to be the case. However, I will abuse that time to level up more alts. MOAR ALTS
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The only difference between the first quoted reply, the OP's post, and yours ... are the points of view.  
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 you know that  little list  reads  just the same for wildstar, just like  every mmo experience, that hasn't turned into a mega success
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Carbine,
The information is starting to pile up and it’s getting to a point where it can’t just be brushed under the rug any more. Threads upon threads upon threads of people un-subbing and quitting, threads upon threads of asking for server mergers, and threads upon threads of people asking for changes and stating they are fed up. There are going to be people that say you have no facts to back that up, but we both know that things are going downhill.
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No.
On the one hand we have people who are trying to take a look at the big picture (server population trends, forum trends, etc.), on the other hand we have "I don't see anything wrong while I'm playing so there is nothing wrong anywhere."
 
These two points of view are not equal.
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No, actually we know the  people "quitting" are the same posting in all the "negative" threads, like the server merge threads. Same with the, so-called, whiteknights. This forum has actually become a battlefield for those two parties, who all claim to be
 
How can you prove this? there is no way for you to know that every single person that quit this game posted a negative thread... Blanket statement is erroneous. 
 
a) Business Managers
 B) Developers
c) Ex hardcore, uber skilled players, who cleared all the raids since Vanilla WoW
d) Carbine Insiders
e) MMO Gourmets
f)  Veterans
g) Prophets
h) All of the above
 
 
What these people RARELY are:
 
a) All of the above
 B) Realists
 
 
Nobody is denying the loss in subs, but some people act like it's become a private server.  And it's just as retarded to act like you know it better than the people saying the population is fine. Discussing about subjective perception is just.... no words.
 
Have you watched the servers decline? Or are you just to blind/full of yourself to not admit it? (Because they have) I have seen guild mergers happen, I have left dead guilds. I have ever transferred servers because of it, so please don't pretend like they aren't dying and need fixed. I'm not acting like I know it better, the facts are there, open your eyes.
 
Some (potential) leavers also need to realize one thing. You've probably been whoring yourselves through countless MMOs after WoW or simply played WoW long enough, that you didn't notice one little development: You're burnt out. Nothing special, it's natural. Happens to me too, when I play too much League of Legends, Skyrim or MMOs.
 
I hadn't played a game in almost a year because of this exact reason. I can guarantee you that I am in no way shape or form burnt out.
 
Another friction of (potential) leavers need to realize this game was/is not for them. It was obvious and stated many times, that this game is catered to some special snowflakes. If you thought you're also a special snowflake and Wildstar does not agree, I'm sorry for you. Although Carbine's goal was to make everyone a special snowflake by assimilating players to Wildstar. Problem is, Players, especially subscribers, think games have to assimilate and if the game doesn't, they'll use propaganda and threats to force it to.
 
The game was said to be for the hardcore player base. Since there is no true definition of what hardcore means players have a general understanding in their mind of what they want it to be. Carbine in this actually created more headache for themselves than they helped. Their model of hardcore didn't match up to players model and thus issues arose. This would have happened no matter what, but if they would have said, our definition of hardcore is lot's of useless walls, horrible RNG on itemization and really bad PvP then players would have at least known what they were getting themselves into.
 
When I buy a Lambo I don't start complaining to Lamborghini that the car's maintenance is too much for my budget, because I have a family to feed and I don't have enough time or reason to drive the car anyways, since I have a job and responsibilities or because there only fits one more person into that car.
 
​^probably the worst analogy I have seen in a while based around this and makes no sense to what I actually posted about
 
What especially gets my engines going are threads like this one "Carbine, this game is dying! Please do something, I don't know what, but do something!"
It may be meant well, but the only thing you did is panicking without any constructive base and scaring off any players pre Endgame, pre buying this game. If you really love this game so much, you wouldn't have started such a pointless thread.
Now imagine I am a Carbine Developer. What the f'ck am I supposed to do now? Be like "F'ck, it's time to stop messing around, let's get to work!" Carbine is doing their best already, what else can they do?
 
It's pretty clear what I am asking for in the thread. Merge servers, fix the ghost towns they have now and start making good decisions based on the numerous posts that they have seen before. 
 
 
Some of you would do good to not go all facty about opinions, because it influences the game's image alot. I play on a German server, it also says low, but things are really going well on our end. We keep getting newbies and new recruits for our guild. Am I making it sound like it's the same for other servers? Nope.
 
I think you need to take your own advice on this one ^
 
You are being so irrational and subjective, that there is no point discussing with any of you. Neither from the Doomcult nor the Order of the White Knights. You only see yourselves and tend to exaggerate the opposite as soon as someone points out a good or bad point about W*
 
again as I previously stated (take your own advice here)
 
The OWK is right when they say this game is catered towards a rather hardcore playerbase and they'd like to keep it this way. Now the Doomcult may say "We are not expecting to raid, we don't wanna raid, just nerf the dungeonmedals because we can't pug them!" This is a paradox. If you don't want to raid, you couldn't give less of a credd about medals in dungeons. You are not forced to medal run. Think of medals like lfg, normal and heroic modes.
You have all the time in this world to learn to clear a dungeon for a silver medal. And why the hell do you even bother pugging them? It really is clear as day that this game is encouraging people to socialize and  form groups. Be it in form of guilds or circles (imo the casual version of a guild).
They'll be puggable after people got used to them. Just like it was with Adventures, where people also immediately start screaming "Adventures are not goldable, nerf pls". You were looking to simplify things, while Carbine was trying to keep the difficulty lvl the same, but to reduce toxic behaviour from players and imo they did a good job on that.
But the doom cult is right when they say a timed run is not necessarily hardcore, especially when you can skip trash mobs. And here is the problem we're facing in my opinion:
 
What is hardcore? Everybody has a different pov about hardcore. Some find depth of class skill or boss mechanics hardcore, others find it hardcore to farm 2323543646865 mats for something, another group thinks timers on bosses/dungeons/etc. are the real deal, group z finds unforgiving game mechanics hardcore. In my opinion all of those things are in a way hard and we actually have all of those "hard aspects" in this game. If everyone is not able to do a timed run, then there is some level of difficulty behind it. If some people are not able to farm x objects, then there is some level of difficulty behind it.
Maybe keeping hardcore undefined is Wildstars biggest design flaw, maybe not, I don't know, but what I do know, that this game is freaking young and some are judging/dooming it way too quickly.
Maybe an option would be to choose your optionals yourself and depending how well you do, you get either bronze/silver/gold. This way everybody could have his own individual interpretation of hardcore.
 
 
Does Carbine need to make content that casuals can enjoy?
Definitely, it won't hurt the game, but so called "casuals" need to realize, that paying 15 bucks does not make you entitled to see all of the raids, but only gives you the option to see them. If you will see them or not, depends on you.
 
 
Someone stated that threads like this one make this game go sour, I so do agree. I kept reading threads that start like "WILDSTAR IS SO BUGGY, OMFG UNSUB INSTA" that I seriously started to think "This game is buggy" even though I haven't encountered one real (gamebreaking) bug so far. I rarely even visit the forums anymore, because it's always the same people, arguing about the same things. If you love this game so much like all of you are saying, at least keep it constructive.
 
 
TLDR: Wildstar has it's issues, but  people need to come the f'ck down from their dogmatic trip.
Carbine is not only listening but following advice, but sometimes the players are not the most reasonable voice.
 
So much love and hugs to you all, I'm gonna go work on my silver dungeons <3
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Does Carbine need to make content that casuals can enjoy?
Definitely, it won't hurt the game, but so called "casuals" need to realize, that paying 15 bucks does not make you entitled to see all of the raids, but only gives you the option to see them. If you will see them or not, depends on you.
 
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Listening and agreeing are two differing things.  They have a vision for their game.  You can either go along with that vision or leave.  The developers of WoW didn't get new visions and that caused the game to change, it was the developers of WoW themselves that were changed and that is why WoW is now World of Casualcraft: One Step Above Pay to Win.
 
Like the developers said, their goal is to get you to coincide with their vision.  Silvers are a brick wall for a reason.  You can bang your head against it time and time again, or realize that the developers left a door for you to walk through.  Yes, some things have been broken in this game and they are being addressed.  Silvers for attunement isn't something that is broken, it is a design decision.
 
Espers were broken because they were in direct contrast to the vision of this game: movement matters.  Silvers are directly in line with the vision of this game, that it is hard, and you have to put in effort to raid.
 
 
 
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And people like you need to realize that if people don't get what they want they won't pay anymore. And if people don't pay, this game doesn't exist. You can say "This game is for the hardcore" all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that its not the difficulty of the game people are leaving for its the massive time sink with very little return that's making people drop off.
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This 100 times
 
I was about to write something along the line but i'm really glad i didn't. I would have never been able to put it like you just did. 
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Like the developers said, their goal is to get you to coincide with their vision.  Silvers are a brick wall for a reason.  You can bang your head against it time and time again, or realize that the developers left a door for you to walk through.  Yes, some things have been broken in this game and they are being addressed.  Silvers for attunement isn't something that is broken, it is a design decision.
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I would agree with you on this if it wasn't so highly debated. Unfortunately it is broken and until it is fixed they will continue to see dwindling numbers
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So to sum up what I got from your thread, don't have opinions, spend your money on a game and don't ask for changes, and don't ask a company to change things as the consumer because you have no right.
 
kk got it. Thanks, but no thanks.
 
Carbine said they are listening, I want to see that they are. If they truly are listening than these threads need to be made to make sure that players don't continue to leave and the game can start growing again
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Well I thank you for your input on squeaky wheels, and I will take that to heart. 
 
Back on topic though, Carbine you can see as well that your community went from happy and caring about each other to hatred and venom because of everything that has been happening as well. This too drives new players from your game when they read the forums and only see doom and gloom. 
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The people complaining remind me very much of myself when I was in the Navy.  First, you go along with it because you are excited/scared about what is happening.  Then you see that their vision isn't exactly what you thought so you start to rebel.  And then, you realize they are an unchanging monolith and no matter how much you rebel, you have to go along or leave.  Eventually, you realize it is easier to just go along with it and then you actually find happiness again.
 
 
Just because something doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it is broken.  Is Dark Souls broken because you can't do it?  No.  Is TMNT for the NES broken because it is seriously one of the hardest games I have ever played?  No.
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			Guys guys guys.  Maybe we shouldn't look for outward solutions but instead look within.  What if Carbine didn't make Wildstar, what if WE are wildstar.  	
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Not sure you got it at all.
This is exactly the kind of threads that make people leave. Doom and gloom threads are all about beeing toxic. Don't know, just look like some peeps here, wish that this game will fail just to make some internetz points.
 
The question is always how far people can go to get their points accross the whole forum. Personnally i think that most of the toxicity come from the doom sayers and from the people who can't discuss things without going to the extreme. 
 
The op is a pretty good exemple of that. Most of the servers are empty and this game is dying threads will only attract extreme comments and we will NEVER have something positive coming out of them and that's exactly the case here. 
 
I just hope you realize that.
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And did I say I wanted to make a different type of post, it needs to be dire in Carbines eyes and that's exactly what this post does, makes it dire. I want people to really vent, because that allows them to see how bad things are. 
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You want people to "vent" everyday.  
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And did I say I wanted to make a different type of post, it needs to be dire in Carbines eyes and that's exactly what this post does, makes it dire. I want people to really vent, because that allows them to see how bad things are. 
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I guess i miss that part.
 
Didn't know i was in the middle of some sort of therapy session.  ;)
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and you know why? Because venting allows Carbine to see how bad things are. If things were great I would make posts about how awesome the game was and get people to talk about that
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So your sole purpose is to scare away new players because the game doens't fit your vision.  Understood.
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Listening and agreeing are two differing things.  They have a vision for their game.  You can either go along with that vision or leave.  The developers of WoW didn't get new visions and that caused the game to change, it was the developers of WoW themselves that were changed and that is why WoW is now World of Casualcraft: One Step Above Pay to Win.
 
Like the developers said, their goal is to get you to coincide with their vision.  Silvers are a brick wall for a reason.  You can bang your head against it time and time again, or realize that the developers left a door for you to walk through.  Yes, some things have been broken in this game and they are being addressed.  Silvers for attunement isn't something that is broken, it is a design decision.
 
Espers were broken because they were in direct contrast to the vision of this game: movement matters.  Silvers are directly in line with the vision of this game, that it is hard, and you have to put in effort to raid.
 
 
 
 
Yes, there should be content for casuals.  Raiding is not one of those things.  They should add more things like lore events, holiday events, collections, and dungeons for casuals.  But they are catering to a specific type of casual in this game.  The skilled casual.  You know the guy who can invest an 1-2 hours every few days.  Dungeons are perfect for them in their current state.
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So your sole purpose is to scare away new players because the game doens't fit your vision.  Understood.
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The people complaining remind me very much of myself when I was in the Navy.  First, you go along with it because you are excited/scared about what is happening.  Then you see that their vision isn't exactly what you thought so you start to rebel.  And then, you realize they are an unchanging monolith and no matter how much you rebel, you have to go along or leave.  Eventually, you realize it is easier to just go along with it and then you actually find happiness again.
 
 
Just because something doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it is broken.  Is Dark Souls broken because you can't do it?  No.  Is TMNT for the NES broken because it is seriously one of the hardest games I have ever played?  No.
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I am not sold on what many people in these forums think that WoD is going to be. seems more like its going to be a release more in lines with the NGE
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LOL dude. Don't ever EVER seek to start a business providing a service. You will belly up in no time. This ideology is so bad it makes the power glove look like a viable game controller ( I went there). The devs eat because we pay them-period. They get to do what they love because they make something that we love. One doesn't happen without the other. Your Navy example literally melted my brain...like I have to go get a mop. Basically you just want us all to sit down and shut up because you're happy.
 
There was this one time when this new upstart country wasn't happy with its "devs"......maybe they should have sat down and upshut? NOPE-THE TEA GOES INTO THE HARBOR BEOTCH! MURICA!!! FREEDOM! Please think before you type about how ridiculous what you're typing is. You have been attempting to make logic out of nonsense across many threads and its still NOT WORKING.
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I am happy.  My guildmates are still happy.  The people who come to the forums are a vocal minority of actual players.
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...I remember being 16 too.  I was dumb then, but no responsibility made it nice.
 
Are you going to complain that McDonald's makes burgers instead of a nice cut of rib eye too?  I mean, you are the customer are you not?  They should have to do everything you want.
 
 
 
Just because the game is too hard for you doesn't mean it sucks.
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			Ok, lets have another one of Nottinos threads locked again since it offered nothing constructive and all they ever do is end up insulting people who don't have the same ideas.  I'm also starting to believe Atra and Nottino are the same person.  I will do my best in the future to ingnore all of your posts as to not be brought back into the toxicity.  I've been really trying to behave myself lately :)  I've been having fun with wildstar, my lifes pretty good, I like RNG, I had no issues with silver dungeons after a few practice runs.  My only real issue is I would be for server merges in the future, but I also know that major updates to tht game will not happen during the week and if you expect anything to be done before the next drop then its best if you take a break and come back in a few months.  Seriously, not trolling.  They don't need 20 threads a day complaining about stuff they know about, its being worked on, lets move on to something new.  	
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lols
 
That's why there's only 3 medium servers at most during primetime now, right?
 
inb4 Carbine's servers hold more people. All you need to do is logon to these servers to see how dead they are. Yet, observing that is probably too difficult for most of you.
 
I'm on Pergo. I have a 50 on both factions. The server is 1 of the 3 that hits "medium" during primetime, and it feels dead, especially on Exile side.
 
The amount of complete delusion/willful ignorance on these forums is lulzy.
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Ok, lets have another one of Nottinos threads locked again since it offered nothing constructive and all they ever do is end up insulting people who don't have the same ideas.  I'm also starting to believe Atra and Nottino are the same person.  I will do my best in the future to ingnore all of your posts as to not be brought back into the toxicity.  I've been really trying to behave myself lately :)  I've been having fun with wildstar, my lifes pretty good, I like RNG, I had no issues with silver dungeons after a few practice runs.  My only real issue is I would be for server merges in the future, but I also know that major updates to tht game will not happen during the week and if you expect anything to be done before the next drop then its best if you take a break and come back in a few months.  Seriously, not trolling.  They don't need 20 threads a day complaining about stuff they know about, its being worked on, lets move on to something new.  
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*Golfclap* I'm my own person I assure you of that much. Yeah they have said they were working on it but they really kind of mised the mark with how they wanna address it though. Constantly locking threads of players expressing concerns (regardless of how we choose to do so) is bad business. Keep it up and things make it to Reddit and the like. Ask ArenaNet about what happens when you *cupcake*up and wanna ignore your players because of mistakes you as a company made. 1 server. Lol....
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No what's bad for business is letting a bunch of whiny emo posts complaining that the sky is falling, and calling Carbine the worst company to ever code, clog up the general discussion forum. Every time I read one of them I picture some 15 year old with a Justin Bieber combover. Inb4whiteknight. If you kept feedback constructive, and didn't write the post like you were breaking up with your highschool sweetheart, it wouldn't get locked down. See:VicVanMeter
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And did I say I wanted to make a different type of post, it needs to be dire in Carbines eyes and that's exactly what this post does, makes it dire. I want people to really vent, because that allows them to see how bad things are. 
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No what's bad for business is letting a bunch of whiny emo posts complaining that the sky is falling, and calling Carbine the worst company to ever code, clog up the general discussion forum. Every time I read one of them I picture some 15 year old with a Justin Bieber combover. Inb4whiteknight. If you kept feedback constructive, and didn't write the post like you were breaking up with your highschool sweetheart, it wouldn't get locked down. See:VicVanMeter
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Nope, it just makes it soon to be locked. Why? Because you fail to show that your concern has valid and structured points. Carbine will know first if shit's on fire or not, because they have all the intel we lack.
 
Carbine listens. If you need a proof for that, go click on the dev tracker. I've rarely seen a company being this close to their community, without trying to whiteknight shit. Servers are less populated, yes, but again, it's your perception. If we players wouldn't have bitched at the beginning that we want no queue, maybe then you'd have 3-4 medium-high servers. But it would still be the same overall population, that is my point. It's not solely population shrinking, it's just too scattered. Maybe a lot of people like to stay in their housing area, maybe a lot of people are in instances and probably a lot of people left. Is this game dying? I doubt it. Is it bleeding? Yes, like any game does for the first year.
I don't mind a server merge, but I mind 50 threads about the same topic, just for the *cupcake*of it. Maybe it's not even in Carbine's hands? Maybe NCSoft is saying "You can't go back on your words now, make up your mind", maybe population is fine, I don't know, you don't know. We all won't know for sure until we see the actual numbers.
 
But seeing how Carbine is adressing every other issue, like Itemization, Class balancing, bugs, etc. just not this one, I'd take my guess and say overall population is still fine.
 
 
And you need to realize, that developers rarely will destroy their own philosophy. Since GW2's release people have been complaining about a lack of real PvE like raids and some form of progression in it. Other players have been telling those players "That's not GW2s path, you need to realize you're playing the game wrong!". Seen any raids lately in GW2?
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Nope, it just makes it soon to be locked. Why? Because you fail to show that your concern has valid and structured points. Carbine will know first if shit's on fire or not, because they have all the intel we lack.
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Game is fun, I enjoy it, so I play. If you don't enjoy it cupcake off and stop wasting our time. 
 
This isn't your game, no one gives a flying cupcake about your overstated opinions. You want W* to be exactly the way you wan't then buy out their IP and build it yourself. 
 
Entitled kids today... There is a very distinct line between presenting valuable and constructive feedback and being whiny cupcakes. 
 
 
These selfsame posts are getting old; QQ in your own corner. 	
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QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
 
 
Game is fun, I enjoy it, so I play. If you don't enjoy it cupcake off and stop wasting our time. 
 
This isn't your game, no one gives a flying cupcake about your overstated opinions. You want W* to be exactly the way you wan't then buy out their IP and build it yourself. 
 
Entitled kids today... There is a very distinct line between presenting valuable and constructive feedback and being whiny cupcakes. 
 
 
These selfsame posts are getting old; QQ in your own corner. 
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QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
 
 
Game is fun, I enjoy it, so I play. If you don't enjoy it cupcake off and stop wasting our time. 
 
This isn't your game, no one gives a flying cupcake about your overstated opinions. You want W* to be exactly the way you wan't then buy out their IP and build it yourself. 
 
Entitled kids today... There is a very distinct line between presenting valuable and constructive feedback and being whiny cupcakes. 
 
 
These selfsame posts are getting old; QQ in your own corner. 
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Game is fun, I enjoy it, so I play. If you don't enjoy it cupcake off and stop wasting our time. 
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lol and you are another one of the reasons why this game will fail. Another one that says it has to be your way or the highway. And you say I am entitled lol
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lols
 
That's why there's only 3 medium servers at most during primetime now, right?
 
inb4 Carbine's servers hold more people. All you need to do is logon to these servers to see how dead they are. Yet, observing that is probably too difficult for most of you.
 
I'm on Pergo. I have a 50 on both factions. The server is 1 of the 3 that hits "medium" during primetime, and it feels dead, especially on Exile side.
 
The amount of complete delusion/willful ignorance on these forums is lulzy.
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I used to truly respect your posts Nott; and I appreciated the time you took in crafting them. But your just a QQér now. 
 
Whether you like it or not; in the end it IS Carbine's way. just like the fate of FFXI and FFXIV was SE's way; and WoW and Diablo was Blizzards way. 
 
Deal with it and move on. The constructive feedbacks been given, the devs aren't stupid. Fixes are being made while still keeping true to the W* idea. 
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			i play on contagion/dom and it feels a bit dead. loaded ws census and it shows that there are still over 600 50s and still rising. thats a lot for a "dead" server	
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Carbine,
The information is starting to pile up and it’s getting to a point where it can’t just be brushed under the rug any more. Threads upon threads upon threads of people un-subbing and quitting, threads upon threads of asking for server mergers, and threads upon threads of people asking for changes and stating they are fed up. There are going to be people that say you have no facts to back that up, but we both know that things are going downhill. So Carbine I would like to say that you need to be proactive instead of reactive in the next month. Don’t wait for quarterly reports to come out and confirm what we all can see, don’t wait until NCSoft steps in and forces you to go one way or another that you don’t want to. It’s time to really dive into trying to stop the bleeding. I know that you aren’t looking to be the biggest or largest game on the market and I am totally ok with this, but you aren’t going to be a game if you can’t retain subs. So from a player that truly does love the game, someone that wants this game to succeed and because of this I get very adamant about the things that I feel need changed.
Please Carbine, please don’t be stubborn, please realize there needs to be a change and please at least say you are looking into a fix for the declining population and how much of a ghost town most of the servers are!
 
Thanks
 
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deal with it and move on is a cop-out. I'd rather post and ask for changes to continue to make the game profitable and a fun place to stay. And I am so sorry that I lost a follower because I started talking about something you don't agree with, dang it!
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You should never have those 2 sentence in the same post :
 
And it feels dead and complete delusion. 
 
Naturally you are one of those who think that feeling=facts. 
 
My question is are they dead or not?? Feeling dead dont mean nothing.
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i play on contagion/dom and it feels a bit dead. loaded ws census and it shows that there are still over 600 50s and still rising. thats a lot for a "dead" server
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I'm on Pergo. I have a 50 on both factions. The server is 1 of the 3 that hits "medium" during primetime, and it feels dead, especially on Exile side.
 
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i play on contagion/dom and it feels a bit dead. loaded ws census and it shows that there are still over 600 50s and still rising. thats a lot for a "dead" server
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The game is perfectly profitable at the moment; Matching established IP's that are much less Niche games than W*. You have no basis to think otherwise besides personal bias as the next earnings report is still weeks away. 
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			And the reason why my threads are locked more often than not is not because I don't make posts that Carbine can use and learn from, it's from the toxicity that decides to follow me wherever I go and tells me everything I say is wrong. You 5-6 people know who you are. Thanks for only helping me drive my points home	
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you tried this argument before and it got shut down fairly quickly then, you want to try it again here?
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And the reason why my threads are locked more often than not is not because I don't make posts that Carbine can use and learn from, it's from the toxicity that decides to follow me wherever I go and tells me everything I say is wrong. You 5-6 people know who you are. Thanks for only helping me drive my points home
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Substanceless claims from a substance-less whiner. You aren't entitled to your own facts; and W*'s last analysis put it on par with an established generalist IP (L2). Very substantial for a low budget niche game like W* 
 
Tell me more about false claims though. 
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Do you even comprehend the amount of irony within your posts? Good lord.
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They breed toxicity because you're toxic. You intentionally repost the same inflamitory drivel time and time again expecting a different result (honestly I don't believe you expect anything different). Take a hint man; if you legitimately want to post constructive feedback go to the proper sub-forum; type a concise and reasonable thread; and let it go.
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...I remember being 16 too.  I was dumb then, but no responsibility made it nice.
 
Are you going to complain that McDonald's makes burgers instead of a nice cut of rib eye too?  I mean, you are the customer are you not?  They should have to do everything you want.
 
If people started demanding steak from McDonals's in mass and more than 50% of their customers stopped buying from them because of it they would start carrying steak.
 
Just because the game is too hard for you doesn't mean it sucks.
 
He was referring to mechanics not the game in general. Sucky mechanics which btw, you are defending.
 
Still relies on volunteers.
 
You're right. Volunteers that GET PAID to work for the navy. Again Employer employee relationship is different then a business consumer relationship.
 
Yep, because you acknowledge its posts like yours that drive new players away and your purpose is to make it hurt the devs.  You are a keyboard terrorist.
 
So following your logic anyone who wants their voice heard on a subject and posts a negative comment intended to inform others of whats happening is terrorism. You seriously need to get a dictionary...
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You're obviously someone who takes stuff like that way too literally.
 
I don't "feel" a dying server. 
 
You're just as capable of logging into Pergo and telling me whether you think it's dying or not. It really isn't that hard.
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Couple of things I agree with, but the server desolation issue is something that was bound to happen as the community was too stubborn to realize that Logon Queues are better than empty servers. This is just the consequence that many of us claimed back then, and it was readily ignored.
 
The other things is, as worried as I am about the same issues as yourself, I'd urge you to give this a read: http://biobreak.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/the-worst-time-for-a-new-mmo/
 
Pretty enlightening stuff.
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Really it is the community's fault? That seems to be quite the stretch.
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Do you comprehend English? If so open a dictionary and look up "Irony".
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Do you comprehend English? If so open a dictionary and look up "Irony".
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Substanceless claims from a substance-less whiner. You aren't entitled to your own facts; and W*'s last analysis put it on par with an established generalist IP (L2). Very substantial for a low budget niche game like W* 
 
Tell me more about false claims though. 
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Please do, then reread your posts and think about how stupid you are.
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*Best Sir. David Attenborough Accent*
 
Here we see  internet trolls in their natural habitat. Note the substanceless posts carefully crafted to incite an emotional response from it's prey. Sadly, this troll seems to have chosen poorly, the wiley Chua see's through it's performance and scurries away; flashing it's fuzzy behind as it goes....
 
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*Best Sir. David Attenborough Accent*
 
Here we see  internet trolls in their natural habitat. Note the substanceless posts, carefully crafted to incite an emotional response from it's prey. Sadly, these trolls seem to have chosen poorly, the wiley Chua see's through it's performance and scurries away; flashing it's fuzzy behind as it goes....
 
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Surprise, surprise.
 
Let us know when you look up the definition. Surely you'll deliver  :rolleyes: .
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Read as "I have no rebuttle". Oh god you're not one of Olivar's friends are you? That kid should be deep fried. Figuratively of course.
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			Sacramento you are so clueless and blind to this game tanking . Omg it so fun to watch a clueless person debatel . Oh this game is doing great me and my guild doing great . Meet you right here in this forum 3 months from now when the game is F2P or Nerf'ed . I will make you a cup of coffee . To help wake you up .	
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Irony is a rhetorical device. L2 English mate.
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Grats, you know 1 of the 7-8 definitions of irony.
 
I guess I'm not the one who needs to learn English.
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Sacramento you are so clueless and blind to this game tanking . Omg it so fun to watch a clueless person debatel . Oh this game is doing great me and my guild doing great . Meet you right here in this forum 3 months from now when the game is F2P or Nerf'ed . I will make you a cup of coffee . To help wake you up .
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See 46:15 to 49:15 - http://youtu.be/vcTQgobN8cE
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			WELL WELL WELL... I think from reading all these post we have went from one side of the spectrum to another about how people feel about this game and even some posters. Now I am going to voice my thoughts.. This game is great and i love the mechanics. This game has skills needed that some may not have and wont have unless they grind and learn how not to stand in red stuff and learn mechanics. Is that wrong no that will be the players choice either they will or they wont. I love the timed Dungeons (even though if you have the right DPS numbers there really not timed you down them with time to spear.) they do bring a "level" of skill back to MMO's. Unfortunate that in the gaming world today there are fewer and fewer people that are going to sub to a game to wait for them to fix it on the back end. There are way too many people who will play a game and if it had too many bugs or glitches they will unsub and wait for it to get fixed and sub back up. Long gone are the days of WoW when there were not many MMO's out and you pretty much picked the one you liked and stuck with it till the end. There are so many F2P games just as good as some AAA MMO's that have subs. I do feel that if carbine cant implement more fixes instead of every month or 28 days bringing us new content that this game may not do as well as a lot of us who love the game would hope. There is so many awesome things in this game that i think they need to re-look at and redesign on how they are implemented.  This is my opinion. 	
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Translation:
 We've given you hundred of hours of gates to grind through. We think the community's major issue is with bugs not the idiotic amount of time gates. 
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Getting in before this thread gets Buster'd.
 
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Well I have to say I don't think medium feels dead at all (got a low level alt on the last EU medium server but mains are on a low server).
But then again, maybe I have lower standards because beggars can't be choosers considering European server states. :D
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			OG FFXI people did not minded the grind since it was a since of nostalgia every time you logged in. LOL Shit its Final Fantasy.... :) not disagreeing by the way it was a different time back then. cry...... gone are those days.	
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Read as "I have no rebuttle". Oh god you're not one of Olivar's friends are you? That kid should be deep fried. Figuratively of course.
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The gates in W* are laughable. it takes a week or two of concerted effort to attune to 20mans... It took 3 months just to gain access to the zones to even start farming to begin instanced raids in OG FFXI.
 
W*'s gates are more like wire fences compared to some of the serious gates in MMO's I can recall.
 
Hardcore TM
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Translation:
We're listening. Your expectations are unreasonable. We get it itemization and pvp suck, we're working on it. Again your expectations are unreasonable, We've given you hundred of hours of gates to grind through. We think the community's major issue is with bugs not the idiotic amount of time gates. We're fixing bugs and adding new stuff. We're listening. (But obviously only to what we want to hear.)
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For a minority of a minority it takes that little time.  It took over a month after hitting 50 just to find a guild to do the attunement with on my server. 
 
 
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Servers are sharded. If you are stuck in a low shard it seems dead. IDK why they continue to shard them TBH; but I have a feeling that is where alot of the 'dead' server talk comes from. If I get a good shard on Orias ('low' pop) there are folks everywhere; a bad one and I see few folks... 
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