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So this is a great way to kill your game super fast, why would you go and close all threads that are giving you feedback on how bad your launch is?
 
Thats the last thing you should be doing lol, maby addressing the issues and having a decent chat about whats going wrong AGAIN, and fixing things.
 
if Their are to many people on the forums giving negative feedback...well guess what something is going wrong instead of sticking your head in the sand, listen.
 
Your shit customer service was a major thing that killed this game at its first launch, please do not do it again, this game had such great potential and still does,
but you are going to stuff it up again if you once again ignore all the negative feedback.	
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They've. It been ignoring negative feedback...if it's constructive. A profanity laden post that does nothing but call the Devs stupid. For example, is not constructive negative feedback.
Telling that that the lag is preventing you from doing X, on server Y, and, you dislike not being able to do X..is constructive negative feedback.	
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			As Olivar said, they close threads for a few reason, threads that break the forum rules, ones that are abusive and insulting, or threads that have too many of the same topic going. That's not just this forum that's pretty much every forum. Nothing new here	
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So this is a great way to kill your game super fast, why would you go and close all threads that are giving you feedback on how bad your launch is?
 
Thats the last thing you should be doing lol, maby addressing the issues and having a decent chat about whats going wrong AGAIN, and fixing things.
 
if Their are to many people on the forums giving negative feedback...well guess what something is going wrong instead of sticking your head in the sand, listen.
 
Your shit customer service was a major thing that killed this game at its first launch, please do not do it again, this game had such great potential and still does,
but you are going to stuff it up again if you once again ignore all the negative feedback.
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			Negative feedback only serves a purpose if it's remotely constructive. The vast majority of complaints on this and any other MMO forum come across as people being rafey and illiterate at the same time. They aren't detailed as to what went wrong, or offer anything constructive and instead just repeat the same shit ad nauseam.	
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 Lol if you are getting a slew of threads that are abusive guess what...something is wrong. and thats when you need to actual sit down and go
hmmm maby somethings wrong here, not just close them and go meh their just trolls..
 
All feedback not matter how stupid or belligerent it is, is feedback and if you have a few ok, but if you have pages and pages of it, thats not nothing lol. 
 
And all the ones i read where talking about how they stuffed up their second launch...like they learnt nothing from the first one.
 
 	
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 Lol if you are getting a slew of threads that are abusive guess what...something is wrong. and thats when you need to actual sit down and go
hmmm maby somethings wrong here, not just close them and go meh their just trolls..
 
All feedback not matter how stupid or belligerent it is, is feedback and if you have a few ok, but if you have pages and pages of it, thats not nothing lol. 
 
And all the ones i read where talking about how they stuffed up their second launch...like they learnt nothing from the first one.
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So this is a great way to kill your game super fast, why would you go and close all threads that are giving you feedback on how bad your launch is?
 
Thats the last thing you should be doing lol, maby addressing the issues and having a decent chat about whats going wrong AGAIN, and fixing things.
 
if Their are to many people on the forums giving negative feedback...well guess what something is going wrong instead of sticking your head in the sand, listen.
 
Your shit customer service was a major thing that killed this game at its first launch, please do not do it again, this game had such great potential and still does,
but you are going to stuff it up again if you once again ignore all the negative feedback.
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They aren't cleaning up negative feedback, they never have,
 
They clean up feedback that has no purpose whatsoever.
 
Constructive criticism is always welcome.
 
I'm as annoyed as the next person but "this game and it's devs suck" doesn't help anyone. By all means, vent away, but do it without descending into rage filled rants that help nothing.	
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			What so constructive complaining to the devs? There is nothing constructive to add unless you have some vital info on how to fix the servers.	
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What so constructive complaining to the devs? There is nothing constructive to add unless you have some vital info on how to fix the servers.
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What so constructive complaining to the devs? There is nothing constructive to add unless you have some vital info on how to fix the servers.
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What so constructive complaining to the devs? There is nothing constructive to add unless you have some vital info on how to fix the servers.
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You just argue for the sake of arguing.
 
I was referring to posting constructive feedback as opposed to rage.
 
People are going to vent regardless, it's better if they did so in a way that doesn't fill the forums with bile.
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 Sigh what people need to do is stop making excuses for them.
 
it is their job to make everything work and make it run without fault.
 
yes shit goes wrong every now and then no ones denying this, but guess what they have already had their chance,
for shit to go wrong, in fact they had that chance while getting 15$ a month out of millions of people lol.
 
I was their for their first launch and i gave the all the chances in the world, which they still managed to stuff up, i have waited for the game to close
like they said they would rather do then go f2p but then they went F2P and i was excited, to give it another try and praying that they listened to the feed back from last time and learnt.
 
But it looks like they have learnt nothing, and a big part of that is because people keep giving them a free pass and not telling them they have royaly *cupcake*ed up.
 
Im not trying to be a dick i want this game to survive and actual get life back into it, but the only way that is going to happen is if people stop making excuses and tell them its not acceptable,
none of this 'aww but tech is hard" and "they have been working really hard with double shifts"....no, thats not our problem they need to make it work end of story.	
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 Sigh what people need to do is stop making excuses for them.
 
it is their job to make everything work and make it run without fault.
 
yes shit goes wrong every now and then no ones denying this, but guess what they have already had their chance,
for shit to go wrong, in fact they had that chance while getting 15$ a month out of millions of people lol.
 
I was their for their first launch and i gave the all the chances in the world, which they still managed to stuff up, i have waited for the game to close
like they said they would rather do then go f2p but then they went F2P and i was excited, to give it another try and praying that they listened to the feed back from last time and learnt.
 
But it looks like they have learnt nothing, and a big part of that is because people keep giving them a free pass and not telling them they have royaly *cupcake*ed up.
 
Im not trying to be a dick i want this game to survive and actual get life back into it, but the only way that is going to happen is if people stop making excuses and tell them its not acceptable,
none of this 'aww but tech is hard" and "they have been working really hard with double shifts"....no, thats not our problem they need to make it work end of story.
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			I would hope that the mods can close or mark "deleted due to forum rules" just the posts in threads that go overboard, NOT the entire threads. There are many negative threads where most feedback is constructive, and a few that def aren't. ;)	
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40 thread with the exact same content, different titles, and different degree's of entitlement/rage/utter shit being deleted is hardly going to kill the game.
 
Learn to come together as a collective group of whinebags, it is far more likely to be noticed as a serious and well thought out complaint than all that other stuff.
 
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https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/137023-my-concers-with-wildstar-atm/
 
^ example:----how to constructive feedback 
 
Notice the negative is not a rage post, and its not an attack on anyone, unlike the ones that get deleted.
			
				
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 Sigh what people need to do is stop making excuses for them.
 
it is their job to make everything work and make it run without fault.
 
yes shit goes wrong every now and then no ones denying this, but guess what they have already had their chance,
for shit to go wrong, in fact they had that chance while getting 15$ a month out of millions of people lol.
 
I was their for their first launch and i gave the all the chances in the world, which they still managed to stuff up, i have waited for the game to close
like they said they would rather do then go f2p but then they went F2P and i was excited, to give it another try and praying that they listened to the feed back from last time and learnt.
 
But it looks like they have learnt nothing, and a big part of that is because people keep giving them a free pass and not telling them they have royaly *cupcake*ed up.
 
Im not trying to be a dick i want this game to survive and actual get life back into it, but the only way that is going to happen is if people stop making excuses and tell them its not acceptable,
none of this 'aww but tech is hard" and "they have been working really hard with double shifts"....no, thats not our problem they need to make it work end of story.
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 Sigh what people need to do is stop making excuses for them.
 
it is their job to make everything work and make it run without fault.
 
 
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You just argue for the sake of arguing.
 
I was referring to posting constructive feedback as opposed to rage.
 
People are going to vent regardless, it's better if they did so in a way that doesn't fill the forums with bile.
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Literally no one is doing these things. No one is happy that problems arose during reaunch. No one is making excuses for them, they are working hard to fix unforseen problems, their reps have already stated in these fora that they are genuinely sorry for the issues and will make approprite considerations for compensation once the dust settles.
 
When in the world did acting like decent cupcaking human beings become an extremist position? Submit your constructive feedback to Carbine through their direct feedback channel on their support page, but stop abusing Carbine and other players on these forums. Take out your frustrations like everyone else in the world, release some steam (running, swimming, hiking, go for a walk, drive around the block, pick a frustration/stress coping mechanism you should have developed my now). 
 
The only thing that isn't acceptable is the horrific attitudes of some of the posters on these fora. Sh!t happens, things break, paid services get interrupted. Obviously no ones happy about this, the appropriate response isn't to go full ravenous on the forums, keep your contagion to yourselves please. If you have legitimate feedback for Carbine send it direct, if you just wan't to rage go for a walk.
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Make an MMO work without fault?? You must be completely new to MMOs with an attitude like that. I don't think I've ever seen an MMO launch that didn't have a multitude of problems. Like...ever. I've seen launches so much worse than this and yet people still throw money hand over fist at those games. Take WoW for example. Literally the most successful AAA MMO on the market for over 10 years. Almost every expansion launch they have major issues that are sometimes much worse than this (I'm looking at you WoD launch) and yet they still have players willing to wait it out and support them. It's because people know they have a quality game that they enjoy to play and they're willing to put up with stuff like that in order to enjoy it. Wildstar is in the same boat. Many people here believe it's a quality game that they want to play regardless of the issues at hand. You even see people in zone chat saying that once these issues are sorted out Wildstar will be a successful F2P game because of how good it is.
 
And what was your issue with their initial launch? This is like the second time you've mentioned it being bad. I was there for it too and myself and other people I've talked to don't recall there being too many issues aside from a few quest bugs here and there and graphics glitches once in a while. Yeah servers went down for maintenance once in a while too, but again, what MMO doesn't do that with a launch. Their initial launch was actually a lot smoother than this one though to be honest. Probably because they had a ton of servers and a much bigger staff back then, but I digress.
 
A lot of people here aren't giving them a free pass. We're just tired of seeing the same threads over and over again of people complaining about lag and servers offline and saying this is why Wildstar failed and this is why they're going to fail again, etc. (Btw, it's not why they "failed" to begin with, but that's an entirely different topic.) Just cut them some slack and don't jump all over them at the slightest issue. Too many people these days will complain about literally anything.
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			This has been the mo since day 1 , and I was here for it. Not so much silence , as the community yelling down and bulling dissenting opinion into submission. Nothing has changed. The only difference is that now you can get spit on for free.	
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Really?? because i have seen about 30 threads so far of people defending carbine to the death...infact scroll up you will see a few in this thread lol.
the whole point of the forums is to give feed back both good and bad....and carbine needs to be abused if they continue to *cupcake*up....which they have been doing over the course of 2 launches lol.
 
This game is on its death bed, the go for a walk if your mad talk, is exactly the type of talk thats going to kill this game, if someone is mad and has ligit reasons, fuk oath carbine needs to listen, and the fanboys need to shut it.
because if you start pissing off the massive new crowd thats coming into the game this game will die very fast, there are many threads of the small amount of people who stuck with the game, bashing any idea or problems that new players are finding with the game. 
 
All im saying is if people are mad and are telling carbine they are shit and need to step it up, thats a good thing because they need to hear it over and over again, till they finally fix their shit even if its taken close to over 2 years.
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			No they don't need to be abused.  My god will you grow up.  The people who pour bile and vile abuse on threads aimed at devs etc-I'd just love to see you go elsewhere.  I have no problem-like all other sensible people-with constructive posts.  But when it's abuse for abuses sake-you don't belong here
			
				
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This has been the mo since day 1 , and I was here for it. Not so much silence , as the community yelling down and bulling dissenting opinion into submission. Nothing has changed. The only difference is that now you can get spit on for free.
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Since when is abuse an acceptable form of encouragement and getting your way?  Sure they need to hear the problems the game has, and that people are having.  But even an angry person can do that without devolving to being abusive about it.  ESPECIALLY on a forum where they have to take time to type out what they say, and have the chance to proof it.
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Your shit customer service was a major thing that killed this game at its first launch, please do not do it again, this game had such great potential and still does,
but you are going to stuff it up again if you once again ignore all the negative feedback.
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bahah new to MMOS i was their at vanilla wow's launch and ever single decent MMO since i have been their for launch, and guess what out of all of them wildstar had the worst launch, and the worst customer service....this is their SECOND LAUNCH....SECOND and they are making the exact same mistakes again lol,and on top of that people are blindly defending them saying give them a chance AGAIN.
 
its like seeing a car crash then going back in time then just watching the same thing happen again.
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Sigh the problem with all of you people on these forums is...if someone says carbine you *cupcake*ed up fix your shit....you all jump on that person saying hes being abusive and then get the thread closed.
 
THATS the problem, if some guys makes a thread and its all just "*cupcake*YOU CARBINE YOU COCKSUKERS PEICE OF SHIT"...and nothing but that,then that needs to be closed because that is just abuse and gets nowhere.
 
at the moment if ANYONE says anything bad about this game they get jumped on by a rabid pack of fanboys then the thread closed. i have already seen it MANY times and this is nothing new this happened already at the FIRST launch.
 
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Really?? because i have seen about 30 threads so far of people defending carbine to the death...infact scroll up you will see a few in this thread lol.
the whole point of the forums is to give feed back both good and bad....and carbine needs to be abused if they continue to *cupcake*up....which they have been doing over the course of 2 launches lol.
 
This game is on its death bed, the go for a walk if your mad talk, is exactly the type of talk thats going to kill this game, if someone is mad and has ligit reasons, fuk oath carbine needs to listen, and the fanboys need to shut it.
because if you start pissing off the massive new crowd thats coming into the game this game will die very fast, there are many threads of the small amount of people who stuck with the game, bashing any idea or problems that new players are finding with the game. 
 
All im saying is if people are mad and are telling carbine they are shit and need to step it up, thats a good thing because they need to hear it over and over again, till they finally fix their shit even if its taken close to over 2 years.
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Vanilla wow was broken as sin at launch. Every expansion there after was broken as sin.
 
Swtor was completely broken at launch.
 
Final fantasy was totally broken and needed to be withdrawn and more or less re-made.
 
ESO was totally broken at launch.
 
Warhammer online charge players without their permission
 
Yeah.....every single decent mmo has been fine at launch.............
 
 
 
 
FYI it's there at launch not their
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But it never helps screaming and shouting at someone. It wont make them listen to you more. A lot of problems that people come to the forums and scream about, they already know about because people report things in a proper manner or they notice things themselves. They do watch how the server runs and try to fix things fairly quick. The screaming people create another problem which just poison the community with a crappy attitude and atmosphere, and doesn't provide anything positive for the game or fixing something for the game. Regardless what they scream about. Imagine yourself. If a group of people stand and scream bad crap in your ear, will you perform better? No. It's a distraction and you start to shut down.
 
I must admit, what you're saying about your own experience make you sound like a "fanboy" though. With a blind eye towards all the shitty stuff that has happened in the past with other games. I can't say much about it since you only mention WoW, which have had major issues in the past. Wildstar definitely did not have the worst launch, by far. And no, it's not been the same mistakes again, as far as I've understood the problems. A recommendation for you as well. Put more effort into trying to understand things, before shouting. It'll make your life smoother in many areas. Understanding is key.
 
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Every single time there is an mmo or expac launch I chuckle, and watch as the forum floods with tears and anger.
 
Carbine does a pretty good things at keeping things constructive on these boards, as Chillia mentioned millions of times when she was moderating the boards, she reads everything and sends feedback to the devs. Sometimes they are too busy doing their job FIXING STUFF to reply. If they do make an announcement they get screamed at by angry people who have no sense of the enormity of making a game launch completely stable. Game devs literally cannot win. They cannot please every single user, and even though they try, it's impossible.
 
There is one thing you can do to help the devs. Instead of getting angry, make a logical, formulated reply with a good, detailed description of your issue and respond in a relevant thread/send a ticket. Don't bite at the loser who called you a whiteknight, or fanboy, or "wow great post dude way to not read the whole thread", just type your problem in and then leave your feedback. If you want to discuss further, be civil and level headed. NCSoft handles customer support here for wildstar, and they've never been known to be great at that particular facet in their business. It's been like it since the beginning. I've always thought the ticket responses were pretty lame...
 
Carbine studios is a pretty small group of devs for an mmo, compared to something like wow or guild wars. Yes, they've made mistakes and it's obvious to see that (hence why I turn up a while after the relaunch instead of on the day), but yelling at other people and being obscene is no way to get things fixed, you will just make yourself look silly in the long run and not achieve anything you set out to do.
 
All I can say from this "fangirl's" point of view, is give the game a chance. It's truly a great and immersive world, and truly one of my all time favourite mmo's to date. But launches have NEVER ever gone to plan, and always end up flawed in one way or another (Look at WoD, it was fundamentally broken for almost two weeks before some people could play without crashes and disconnects). Acting like an entitled little brat will get you absolutely nowhere except on a banlist from the forum...	
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Yes they all had their problems...but guess what none of them shut down people complaining instead they took it onboard and fixed it....and you have missed my entire point if this was wildstars first launch
cool i expect some problems like i said...this is their SECOND launch, thats number 2...they have lost ALL rights to have a rocky launch given what they should have learnt from the first time,
and the amount of time they have had to get shit done right.
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Yes they all had their problems...but guess what none of them shut down people complaining instead they took it onboard and fixed it....and you have missed my entire point if this was wildstars first launch
cool i expect some problems like i said...this is their SECOND launch, thats number 2...they have lost ALL rights to have a rocky launch given what they should have learnt from the first time,
and the amount of time they have had to get shit done right.
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Suggesting raving haters calm down isn't "defending". I've not seen anyone suggest this launch was perfect and Carbine did an awesome job with it. I have ONLY seen people suggest that problems happen, Carbines working to fix it, and they will compensate us once the dust settles. There's a major difference between those two things.
 
You can't anticipate every launch problem, no company ever has completely (though some have certainly done better than others). Everyone's frustrated, trolling / raging the forums isn't an acceptable response. Submit your concerns to Carbine, make a constructive post without the raging and negativity, and move on or stick it out. Just because this forum is on the internet doesn't excuse people from using manners and being civil human beings.
 
 
 
SWTOR and FFXIV and ESO all had relaunches / F2P relaunches. None of them were prefect. Heck, Yoshida cried while apologizing for the cr@p tastic relaunch of XIV, and he had the support of one of the largest video game companies on the face of the planet. 
 
That isn't to say Carbine did an awesome job, they didn't. But NO ONE can predict every potential issue that will come up during a relaunch. Except maybe that fortune telling spammer we keep seeing on the forums that is.
 
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Yes, carbine are doing something different. They are not letting their forum turn into a cesspit like all the other free to play forums, and keeping the discussions on topic and civil. I'd say that's a win, rather than a loss imho. It shows an audience I'd be more likely to interact with, for one...
 
Zenimax have done a great job turning their game around since the ESO f2p launch, but it still took a couple of months! In fact, I play ESO quite regularly now, but when the f2p launch first hit... I couldn't even. It was awful.
 
Now it's wildstar's turn to do the same. The game hasn't even been relaunched less than a month yet, and the reception of f2p was MUCH LARGER than carbine anticipated. No wonder their servers broke.	
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Every single time there is an mmo or expac launch I chuckle, and watch as the forum floods with tears and anger.
 
Carbine does a pretty good things at keeping things constructive on these boards, as Chillia mentioned millions of times when she was moderating the boards, she reads everything and sends feedback to the devs. Sometimes they are too busy doing their job FIXING STUFF to reply. If they do make an announcement they get screamed at by angry people who have no sense of the enormity of making a game launch completely stable. Game devs literally cannot win. They cannot please every single user, and even though they try, it's impossible.
 
There is one thing you can do to help the devs. Instead of getting angry, make a logical, formulated reply with a good, detailed description of your issue and respond in a relevant thread/send a ticket. Don't bite at the loser who called you a whiteknight, or fanboy, or "wow great post dude way to not read the whole thread", just type your problem in and then leave your feedback. If you want to discuss further, be civil and level headed. NCSoft handles customer support here for wildstar, and they've never been known to be great at that particular facet in their business. It's been like it since the beginning. I've always thought the ticket responses were pretty lame...
 
Carbine studios is a pretty small group of devs for an mmo, compared to something like wow or guild wars. Yes, they've made mistakes and it's obvious to see that (hence why I turn up a while after the relaunch instead of on the day), but yelling at other people and being obscene is no way to get things fixed, you will just make yourself look silly in the long run and not achieve anything you set out to do.
 
All I can say from this "fangirl's" point of view, is give the game a chance. It's truly a great and immersive world, and truly one of my all time favourite mmo's to date. But launches have NEVER ever gone to plan, and always end up flawed in one way or another (Look at WoD, it was fundamentally broken for almost two weeks before some people could play without crashes and disconnects). Acting like an entitled little brat will get you absolutely nowhere except on a banlist from the forum...
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I want to like your post.
 
But I'm an Evertonian.
 
And you have a Liverpool FC logo.
 
I'd need to shower afterwards ;)
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screaming helps alot if you scream and give feedback i already covered this go have a read up top. 
And you talking about it poisoning the community? so that talk needs to be shut down and has no place, thats called sensor ship....i bet carbine loves you guys,
the less people bring up their constant *cupcake*ups the happier they are lol.
And if i was *cupcake*ing up and people yelled at me guess what, i would say yes i *cupcake*ed up and work harder not try my best to cover it up by removing threads lol.
 
i have never had a problem with WOW or any of these other games, because of 1 reason, whenever there was a problem with the game or a bug i asked for help for them to fix it and boom they did right away, the gm's where great
wildstar was the opposite at launch i had to threaten to cancel my sub just to get them to fix a bugged main story line quest lol. this was true not only for me but for all my mates and everyone else i talked to.
 
If you wanted a bug fixed or you wanted ANYTHING out of the GM's or staff in relation to carbine and wildstar you needed to threaten to cancel your sub other wise they would tell you, "its fine where looking into it" and have to wait a week for it to be fixed lol. And if you said anything about it on the forums you got mobed by the fanboys and the admins closed your thread.
 
That was a main reason why this game died, and looks like its happening all over again 
#ground hog day
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The only threads I have noticed disappearing are the ones that are blatantly belligerent and abusive.  The general complaints that have some semblance of maturity to them tend to remain intact and available for viewing... and also get pushed along to the next few pages because of the sheer number of people making new threads.
 
If you're really itching to see people re-hash the same complaints over and over again, I'd recommend checking the next several pages of the general discussion forum.	
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Eso second launch was near perfect and the bits that they did *cupcake*up they got absolutely blasted about, and in return turned shit around so fast it was amazing only because that fire was light right up their asses.
 
What ever you're smoking can I have some? ESO's F2P launch was not the worst, but it was so far from perfect as to make this suggestion absurd.
 
SWOTR, f2p launch was hardly that bad there was a lag issue due to them shutting down some servers for people in certain locations, which they fixed after once again they got blasted by people who couldnt play the dam game.
 
Yes, I couldn't play my Sith Inq for days because it was "hardly that bad"...
 
And FFXIV why do you think yoshida was crying? did you go on the forums during the relaunch? It was a *cupcake*ing mob on their lol he was crying because not only did him and hes team *cupcake*up once, but they did it AGAIN at the relaunch and got decimated on it, and had a miracle turn around and are now slowly getting their. 
 
Yoshida was crying because even almost bankrupting one of the largest videogame companies in the world, his team STILL managed to gunk up their relaunch.
 
Wildstar has done the same thing but they are doing 1 thing different then the rest did....can you pick it? because i can, their fanboys, and the mods are shutting down ALL negative feedback, even the guys who do as you say and put the negative feedback in a nice manner get blasted i just read 3 threads like that lol.
You people doing what you doing and sheltering carbine is whats going to sink whats left of this ship. the other games got blasted and rushed to fix their shit, this needs to happen here or its over.
 
That this thread still exists is proof that this assertion is patently false. They remove abusive content but not "negative" posts. Carbine is a small company, they don't have the resources that SE and EA/BioWare do even with NCSOFT backing. That you expect the magnitude of response to be the same is ludicrous. No "fanboy's" are defending carbine, reasonable players are asking unreasonable posters to keep it civil. You can publish feedback with out being a massive d!ck about it.
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The only threads I have noticed disappearing are the ones that are blatantly belligerent and abusive.  The general complaints that have some semblance of maturity to them tend to remain intact and available for viewing... and also get pushed along to the next few pages because of the sheer number of people making new threads.
 
If you're really itching to see people re-hash the same complaints over and over again, I'd recommend checking the next several pages of the general discussion forum.
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I think a lot of people defend is because this is still a relatively new IP, with a young MMO, who were pushed to publish WAY too early and in turn that completely screwed the launch up from the beginning.
 
There was a lack of early management, a lack of direction and the game felt it. Towards the end of Wildstar's paid life, the game improved DRAMATICALLY and the team were finally getting a handle of what running a brand new MMO in such a competitive market is like.
 
The fact that NCSoft gave Carbine another chance instead of completely shutting down the game, shows how much promise the team and the game have. Everyone knows NCSoft's track record with failing MMOs...
 
That is why I think people are defending the game. I understand your frustration because all you have seen is problems since you installed the game, I get it, but honestly I think the launch really screwed up because carbine didn't expect such a huge amount of players, the "megaservers" were overloaded and they didn't anticipate it... Carbine can do things correctly, and when they do, it's brilliant.	
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 Lol if you are getting a slew of threads that are abusive guess what...something is wrong.
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			Most of the "negative feedback" i've seen is "OMGZ!1! FU CARBINE11!!". That's the posts they shut down they've been shutting down...	
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Thats the difference here. people like me who have been playing wow since vanilla and even saying "fix your shit or you are done" in the millions...NO one is defending blizzard, because they should *cupcake*ing know better lol.
 
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LOL i get what your saying but guess what WOD has near killed WOW...because they *cupcake*ed up that bad and im very active on the forums with wow and this next xpac is the make or break it for WOW.
heck their down to less then 5.6 mill subs from 11 mill at the start of wod. but they have taken the blows and hate and looks to be hitting it out of the park with legion, but no ones holding their breath.
 
Thats the difference here. people like me who have been playing wow since vanilla and even saying "fix your shit or you are done" in the millions...NO one is defending blizzard, because they should *cupcake*ing know better lol.
 
Yet you guys are on here in Droves defending carbine to the death, its truly amazing seeing you shelter them if only every other game had a wall of die hard community members like you guys, no one would get anywhere and all the games would be shit XD.
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So this is a great way to kill your game super fast, why would you go and close all threads that are giving you feedback on how bad your launch is?
 
Thats the last thing you should be doing lol, maby addressing the issues and having a decent chat about whats going wrong AGAIN, and fixing things.
 
if Their are to many people on the forums giving negative feedback...well guess what something is going wrong instead of sticking your head in the sand, listen.
 
Your shit customer service was a major thing that killed this game at its first launch, please do not do it again, this game had such great potential and still does,
but you are going to stuff it up again if you once again ignore all the negative feedback.
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I hope they delete this thread too. It is questioning moderation and that is against the Terms of Service and Forum Guidelines.
 
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Well, I might as well give you something to read - screaming
 
Problem is, the feedback is lost while screaming. All the valid points will not get heard because all you hear is the screaming. There are reasons why you should never have a loud argument while driving, because it increases the risk for accidents a lot.
No, what you refer to is censorship, which is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a poisoned community, in which you have people Screaming at each other while Trying to make a valid point but fail to do so due to the way it's communicated. It's actually more about How you say things than What you say. Same thing when people talk to animals or kids. The tone of voice and body expression say so much more than words. If you call someone an ass and then expect something positive in return, then you're doing it wrong.
 
And no, you would not say "yes, I *cupcake*ed up" and work harder. You would stop listening to the shouting and ignore. Because that's how humans work. You're no special case, I bet.
 
I would suggest you put your fine WoW experience into practice here as well. Ask kindly for help and you'll get a completly different result from people. Again. It's about How you say things, more than What you say.
 
Oh, I can mention that the game never died. I among many others played successfully since launch last year. It was great. A really good game with interesting elements in it. The combat is still amazing and even dungeons harder than raids in other games. People like it and stay. Problems come and problems go.
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So this is a great way to kill your game super fast, why would you go and close all threads that are giving you feedback on how bad your launch is?
 
Thats the last thing you should be doing lol, maby addressing the issues and having a decent chat about whats going wrong AGAIN, and fixing things.
 
if Their are to many people on the forums giving negative feedback...well guess what something is going wrong instead of sticking your head in the sand, listen.
 
Your shit customer service was a major thing that killed this game at its first launch, please do not do it again, this game had such great potential and still does,
but you are going to stuff it up again if you once again ignore all the negative feedback.
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Bahaha so naive ive been working in security for 4 years its my job to get screamed at and yes i do say cool story and continue to do my job and if its aim at how i do my job guess what i do my job better.
 
a little over 44k subs is a dead mmo bahaha if you say thats not the case your a fool. all you did was pay money for a dying game simple as that man.
 
im hoping things get better i really do they need to start listening though.
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a little over 44k subs is a dead mmo bahaha if you say thats not the case your a fool. all you did was pay money for a dying game simple as that man.
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I think a lot of people defend is because this is still a relatively new IP, with a young MMO, who were pushed to publish WAY too early and in turn that completely screwed the launch up from the beginning.
 
There was a lack of early management, a lack of direction and the game felt it. Towards the end of Wildstar's paid life, the game improved DRAMATICALLY and the team were finally getting a handle of what running a brand new MMO in such a competitive market is like.
 
The fact that NCSoft gave Carbine another chance instead of completely shutting down the game, shows how much promise the team and the game have. Everyone knows NCSoft's track record with failing MMOs...
 
That is why I think people are defending the game. I understand your frustration because all you have seen is problems since you installed the game, I get it, but honestly I think the launch really screwed up because carbine didn't expect such a huge amount of players, the "megaservers" were overloaded and they didn't anticipate it... Carbine can do things correctly, and when they do, it's brilliant.
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Im not trying to be a dick
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Most of the "negative feedback" i've seen is "OMGZ!1! FU CARBINE11!!". That's the posts they shut down they've been shutting down...
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Were we... were we even playing the same game or reading the same forums? Because I played WoW for about ten years (from April 2005 to early 2015), and the forums were full of people both doing what you're doing -- trying to pretend their frothing at the mouth is "constructive criticism" and whining when their useless threads get shut down -- and people defending Blizzard and being labeled as "fanboys". I also saw the reverse: people who really were offering constructive criticism and the frothing coming from those insisting Blizzard could do no wrong and "if you don't like it, don't play it".
 
Not to mention that while WoD's launch was possibly the worst on WoW's record, it's hardly the only reason WoW's subs are falling. The game is almost eleven years old, the MMO field is much larger now than it was in 2004 (or even '08/'09, when WotLK launched and I believe when WoW hit its peak numbers) and to be honest I don't think it's aging or keeping up well. But that's not the point.
 
The point is, you're giving other games a pass because you're currently mad at Carbine. I played the launch of every patch and every expansion in WoW aside from vanilla and WoD, and some of those issues were so, so much worse than these. Heck, I tried to play ESO at launch too, and the game was literally broken. There were places where terrain wasn't even finished.
 
Honestly, if you're that convinced that Wildstar is "on its death bed" and that positive that Carbine is "shutting down" all negative feedback, there's the door. You clearly don't think the game can be saved, so please, feel free to see yourself out.
 
Signed,
Just another Carbine fangirl?
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I hope they delete this thread too. It is questioning moderation and that is against the Terms of Service and Forum Guidelines.
 
Reported.
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Bahaha so naive ive been working in security for 4 years its my job to get screamed at and yes i do say cool story and continue to do my job and if its aim at how i do my job guess what i do my job better.
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Bahaha so naive ive been working in security for 4 years its my job to get screamed at and yes i do say cool story and continue to do my job and if its aim at how i do my job guess what i do my job better.
 
a little over 44k subs is a dead mmo bahaha if you say thats not the case your a fool. all you did was pay money for a dying game simple as that man.
 
im hoping things get better i really do they need to start listening though.
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Bahaha so naive ive been working in security for 4 years its my job to get screamed at and yes i do say cool story and continue to do my job and if its aim at how i do my job guess what i do my job better.
 
a little over 44k subs is a dead mmo bahaha if you say thats not the case your a fool. all you did was pay money for a dying game simple as that man.
 
im hoping things get better i really do they need to start listening though.
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Well, if someone screamed at me on my job I would find a new job. Because I do not tolerate people talking to me like that.
 
That's my problem with any of this "feedback". I'm not a whiteknight (I'm giving Carbine plenty of criticism for the state of runing right now), but I just don't enjoy seeing people put down other people. It's not constructive, or helpful, or pleasant to read.
 
People want to vent frustration about the current state of the game? I get that. They wanted to yell at the developers, shame them, and put them down. Nope, not OK. Not because I love the game, but because they are people with dignity who deserve better than that.
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Then you're not doing your job pretty well, I think. Working in security you might deal with people and while doing that you need to be able to manage them in a good way. If they scream at you, it's possible You're part of the reason why. But it kind of depends what you do though, if "in security" means watching some screens and co-workers or your boss scream at you. Well, less fortunate situation for you, bud.
 
No, a dead game is a game you cant start or login to anymore. Wildstar? Still alive. I was raiding successfully with other people while seeing other guilds do the same thing. So what I payed for, was a wonderful experience well worth my time. If you cant be arsed to pay up and play something good, well, that's your choice. You don't have to be so judgemental about it. But I wonder who the fool really is. The one that payed and played while it was "dead", or the one that Want to start playing a "dead" game.. Shall we leave that question unanswered? ;)
 
Oh, you didn't comment the link I gave you. You give me something to read, I give you something to read. You give and take. Now bend over and read - Click me and read, Reavyne
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Sounds like you need to talk to your management, about providing you better support to allow you to refuse to be treated poorly.
 
Even Cable company phone reps don't have to tolerate being abused, and can hang up when it happens.
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Lol its funny my co workers or boss love me, im the guy they send to talk to the drugged up/drunk patrons because im amazing at dealing with them in a calm and rational manner without flipping my shit XD.
 
if you got something out of it good for you man i don't mean that in a bad way either seriously cool, i hate playing a mmo where i go to the capital city and see nobody lol but thats just me i guess ill own that.
 
i don't hate the game i loved the game and i have come back to see if its fixed or if its gonna be ground hog day all over again. and im hoping the boost of players can revive this game because its a good game that deserves the chance.
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Then keep that calm and rational manner, no need to flip shit on the forum. It's still people behind the screens.
 
I completely agree. It's not fun when it's empty. I looked forward to the f2p launch because I knew we would see tons of new players come. Sad to say, some technical issues made it a bit rough, but still. Some issues are due to Too many people. Which is pretty cool in a way.
 
I have suggested to others to come back in a few weeks. I'm pretty certain it'll be smoother then. You might need it as well, if it's too rocky at the moment. Many of us have multiple games or hobbies that could get some extra time until then. It might be a good idea for you too. Fresh eyes and eager to get into Nexus again.
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Nobodies perfect.
 
Somebody had to take enough pity on Everton to support them.
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 haha its cute when people try to get all tough and tell people to leave XD if you cant see i actual want this game to succeed then you need to open your eyes and read ;)
 
little "fangirl"
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Yes and those ones need to be shut down, but its not just carbine i just read a thread that was very well made and was calm as hell and the guy talked about several problems and guess what, he got dog piled by fanboys 
ripping into him saying its a brand new launch and give them time and blah blah normal stuff. 
 
what he talked about was very reasonable and very polite yet he still got shut down by people.
 
I mean shut down in both senses threads being closed and people just dog pilling people because they say something is wrong or bad about the game.
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			This thread is self defeating. If they silenced all negative feedback, this very thread would not be allowed to be. It's actually surprising it hasn't been shut down due to all the vitriol yet.
			
				
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			I see hundreds of people whining.  Who are they silencing... exactly?
			
				
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Link?
 
Are they actually "dog piling" the guy, or are they giving constructive feedback to him?  Are they insulting him, or just telling him to calm down, shit happens in an MMO launch/relaunch/expansion/patch, be patient, give them some time?
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The fact that you didn't respond to anything besides that very small part of my post, and that you did it in such a condescending manner, rather than trying to converse with other users like everyone involved is an adult, says a whole lot about you, in my opinion. I think I'm done in this thread.
 
ETA: I'm joining TexArcana in reporting this thread. It's unhelpful, vitriolic, and insulting not just to Carbine but also to other users. (And before you start insisting that you haven't insulted anyone, the way you're phrasing everything -- condescension , contempt, the snarky little smilies -- is usually considered insulting on its own.)
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This thread is self defeating. If they silenced all negative feedback, this very thread would not be allowed to be. It's actually surprising it hasn't been shut down due to all the vitriol yet.
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			Pocketfox wasn't being a smartass.  Project much?
			
				
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"calm down" was just one of the things that could have been said to him, along with give it time, be patient, shit happens.  I was just going by your "blah blah normal stuff", and "calm down" is one of the normal things said to people that are having problems and make a thread.  YOU may not have thought he was being aggressive(and you seem to have a high tolerance of what is considered unnecessarily aggressive, and along with you thinking abuse is an acceptable form of "constructive feedback", I'll take your "hes not being aggressive" with a grain of salt), but someone else might have.  But then I only have your word for this because you didn't provide a link.  If they locked the thread, it should still be available to link.  If they deleted it, I guess I'm just going to have to accept you at your word and make my own assumptions based on what you've presented of yourself.
 
And Pocketfox wasn't being a smartass.  Project much?
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That was the last thing they had said, all before that wasn't being a smart ass, and that really wasn't being a smart ass either.  That was just pointing out that if you're that negative, why are you here?  And "Signed Just another Carbine fangirl?", do you blame someone for saying something like that with how quickly that particular insult gets thrown around?
 
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That was the last thing they had said, all before that wasn't being a smart ass, and that really wasn't being a smart ass either.  That was just pointing out that if you're that negative, why are you here?  And "Signed Just another Carbine fangirl?", do you blame someone for saying something like that with how quickly that particular insult gets thrown around?
 
So no proof then.  Gotcha.
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Your level of ignorance is simply staggering.
 
At this point, I am fairly certain they haven't shut this thread down because it's so obvious what an unimportant screaming mimi you are, that all it takes is one look into your post history to see what a thin-skinned whiner you are. In short, they've left it up because this thread is a joke and so are you.
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And here it is, when this game dies every take note and look towards this guy, because he is exactly what i am talking about lol
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			I just went through the last 5 pages of the forums. The staff are NOT silencing critique. The players, on the other hand, are doing their best to discourage it.	
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You have a unique job that it's practically required of you to take abuse.  Doesn't excuse or justify dishing it out.
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God i missed people like you from the good old days XD
No they have left it up because they know if they keep listening to people like you, like they did the first time boom ground hog day and they WIll actual have to close the game down this time.
its been what a year plus and your guys still have not learnt you lesson haha. or would you like to go back to the days of less then 44,505 subs? or would you like to see this great game actual get populated again and back to its glory days in the millions?
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I work in security as well and have been doing so for 8 years.. and really if you tolerate people screaming at you in security, that really is on you. I don't tolerate it and have barred access to people screaming at me after I warned them to calm down.
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I would love to see millions of people playing this game.
 
Just not you or self-entitled whining babies like you.  See, you don't know me or how I've spent my time here. You, on the other hand, are so transparent as to be nearly blinding.
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Keep proving my point :) it got you a dying game last time lets see how far it goes this time lol.
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lol you have no point to prove lol ur just trying to get a rise out of people lol and make them mad lol because ur not smart enough or clever enough to post real feedback lol
 
lol lol lol
 
lol lol
 
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It's called "sarcasm."
 
Not that I'd expect a superior intellect such as yours to understand satire.
 
And it just seems like you don't WANT to talk, you just want to antagonize everyone who disagrees with your (false) premise. You're not looking for feedback, you're looking to provoke people.
 
You don't really seem like a bad guy, honestly - I mean, I'm a snarky, cranky old man, and I know when people are just venting and frustrated most of the time. But the entire premise of this thread is just flat out wrong on every level. You approached it being overly provocative, and when people started tell you that, you got abusive.
 
You, like everyone else here, is allowed to give their feedback, for good or ill. This isn't even a feedback thread, it's basically a call out to the moderators, which (like or not) is against the Forum guidelines. That they've left it open either means they don't care enough about your "feedback" to delete it, or they're allowing it to stay open just so we can continue to take pot-shots and say hateful things to each other.
 
Anyway, sorry for being a dick, but I'm not the villain here, no matter how hard you want to assign blame for the game's failures. It has little to do with people like me and *almost everything* to do with the uber-leet, go-gold-or-go-home #hardcore mentality the original dev team tried to force down our throats.
			
				
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I'm convinced this is a troll above anything else.
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People know how to talk without being offensive and insulting, and I don't include swear words in that.  I'm former military married to a retiring military mechanic, swearing isn't offensive to me personally.  How it's done can be, sure enough, but not the swearing by itself.
 
It's funny, you're all about being aggressive and sarcastic, and expect to be taken seriously when you're being that way(to the game and to other posters), but when you see or perceive that in another poster you completely dismiss what they have to say.  Hmmmm.
			
				
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			I'm going to go ahead and close this. Negative feedback is welcome and encouraged, but it still needs to be delivered in a constructive way. What's not welcome, though, is name-calling and attacking each other.,	
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