124220-a-little-hope-people-rising

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I always see a ton of negativity towards the game,  a lot is aimed to there isnt people to play while leveling so i decided to see it by myself and made a scan of the people at an odd hour (9:40 am EST at friday, so it will be like 6:50 a.m on PST a really odd hour to be playing) and it show a healthy community at least i saw this on exile side (not a really full one, but its a ton better than what we saw in november)
 
http://imgur.com/a/3yyzs
 
the bracket from 1-10 and 10-20 were really full (the 10 day trial its working) and the subsecuent ones werent that full but it was a good number for being an odd hour in a weekday were almost all players are on school or their jobs.
 
its just an observation i wanted to share with the community, there is people at all times, but they arent all in thayd waiting queue times. :)
 	
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No,
 
stop spreading false information.
We have 7 topics explaining how dead and bad the game is.
And those 7 new people invite to my guild prove the point even further.
 
 
/endsarcasm.	
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			That's very encouraging. Personally I've never seen that many players wherever I've leveled but I do see a decent amount to to be fair. Really hope the game continues to grow  :)	
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			I've run into a ton of new players too while leveling my alt. And since there are a lot of them asking for Guild invites and joining up I'm assuming they intend to stay after the free trial.	
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No,
 
stop spreading false information.
We have 7 topics explaining how dead and bad the game is.
And those 7 new people invite to my guild prove the point even further.
 
 
/endsarcasm.
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Yeah those 30 new members over the last week who I recruited because they subbed after they played the 10 day trial don't exist. They're just here because they were here all along, because noone subs to this game cus it's dead and lame.
 
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			This is a game? D:	
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This is a game? D:
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Don't be positive, you'll attract the doomsayers.
 
But seriously, the game is on the mend and that rocks.	
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I always see a ton of negativity towards the game,  a lot is aimed to there isnt people to play while leveling so i decided to see it by myself and made a scan of the people at an odd hour (9:40 am EST at friday, so it will be like 6:50 a.m on PST a really odd hour to be playing) and it show a healthy community at least i saw this on exile side (not a really full one, but its a ton better than what we saw in november)
 
http://imgur.com/a/3yyzs
 
the bracket from 1-10 and 10-20 were really full (the 10 day trial its working) and the subsecuent ones werent that full but it was a good number for being an odd hour in a weekday were almost all players are on school or their jobs.
 
its just an observation i wanted to share with the community, there is people at all times, but they arent all in thayd waiting queue times. :)
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ill try to do a dominion scan in odd hours in a weekday too.
 
meanwhile this is good news, stay positive nexians this path only have one way and is up :)	
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nce foto shp nub gm es ded 5evr ftp bc i dun wan pay n i kno nobdy plys cuz it nt ftp
 
 
@Dommies
Birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim and Exiles gotta win.
It's like a law of nature or something...
 
So...	
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Don't be positive, you'll attract the doomsayers.
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Perfect timing for my entrance :D
 
You can't infer a change when you're only looking at one time point. Do this a few times a week for the next month and show us the results :)
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I'm pretty sure people have been DOING that multiple times, for a week, in the previous months. So just asking for the experiment to start, when your own required data has been previously been collected seems a little "odd".
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Perfect timing for my entrance :D
 
You can't infer a change when you're only looking at one time point. Do this a few times a week for the next month and show us the results :)
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Who's been doing it and where can I look up info on it? 
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			Every time I pug a vet dungeon I find ppl in grp that say: "guys, can u refresh tacs pls? Just got back to the game" and that's exactly what I used to say 1 month ago, when I was the "returning" one. So guys, pop is rising, there r players that start from zero, but there r also a lot of players (like myself) that r getting back to the game after leaving it in sept - october. ;)	
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			Tonight alone I've seen almost half a dozen new folk added to the guild. Same thing the last time I was on... and...	
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You just told the OP, who was going by what he/she sees in game, to "do what they were doing for a longer period". But that's unnecessary we've seen people doing just that for a few months now. You can go back at anytime on these forums to see the positive results of your own experiment. But then again, since you're a pedant, you probably won't.
 
Incoming Strawman: "I'm saying the population is thriving with a billion subz."
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			Did they already "show" the 1st report of 2015? I mean first quarterly report?	
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Did they already "show" the 1st report of 2015? I mean first quarterly report?
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well I think quarterly comes from "quarter" so first quart should be gen - march ;)
 
(gen/march - apr/jun - jul/sett - oct/dec)	
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I keep tabs on the raiding population since that's my main interest in this game, and the raiding population is extremely small (it's pretty easy to see this just checking publicly reported logs). If the non-raiding population is indeed huge I'd be curious to see/hear about it. I checked the past few pages on GD and saw nothing, so once again if people are getting info about that portion of the player base I'd love to see it. I don't read the GD everyday because normally people in these threads always appear to be very angry and I think the topics of conversation are kind of silly, so I don't know what you're referring to. All I (and most people) use to judge population is the quarterly reports, which has shown a steady decline since launch. 
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Q4 of 2014 was reported in early February, next report won't be until early May.
 
As Dharnell rightly notes, right now we simply don't know one way or the other. We all have our own general impressions from our own time playing, but pretty clearly those opinions are too subjective and prone to being overhyped in either direction to attach much value to them. They're certainly no substitute for hard numbers.
 
Of course, given how people here acted when Q4's information came out, hard numbers don't matter to some people all that much. So I expect we'll be having more of this kind of discussion regardless of what Q1 2015's numbers turn out to be.	
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well I think quarterly comes from "quarter" so first quart should be gen - march ;)
 
(gen/march - apr/jun - jul/sett - oct/dec)
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			Yup mate, still march....but let me get to the point = as Leylin talked about "quarterly reports" and as, I think, the original post was about "rising pop" after drop 4 (released during first quarter 2015) I asked if the "report" was already out, as sometimes companies tend to publish some "general lines" before the actual end of the period.	
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We're just along for the ride, why care about things that are outside of our control?
I'd be balls deep in the numbers if it meant I could DO something, but I can't, decision isn't up to me or you or anybody on the forums, not even the mods.
 
Why give a shit when it doesn't even matter?
 
 
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Yup mate, still march....but let me get to the point = as Leylin talked about "quarterly reports" and as, I think, the original post was about "rising pop" after drop 4 (released during first quarter 2015) I asked if the "report" was already out, as sometimes companies tend to publish some "general lines" before the actual end of the period.
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I'll play again after I get a new computer, mines getting too old to run games well D= 
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Its nice that you guys like to live in a bubble where what you believe happens but unfortunately the population is still dropping. Any new players you see generally only stay for the 10 day trial and fades away long before they reach 50.
 
Maybe after the next few drops we will see an increase but pretending its happening now doesnt really help any thing.
 
These are the cold hard facts.
 
:D	
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Its nice that you guys like to live in a bubble where what you believe happens but unfortunately the population is still dropping. Any new players you see generally only stay for the 10 day trial and fades away long before they reach 50.
 
Maybe after the next few drops we will see an increase but pretending its happening now doesnt really help any thing.
 
These are the cold hard facts.
 
 :D
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Its nice that you guys like to live in a bubble where what you believe happens but unfortunately the population is still dropping. Any new players you see generally only stay for the 10 day trial and fades away long before they reach 50.
 
Maybe after the next few drops we will see an increase but pretending its happening now doesnt really help any thing.
 
These are the cold hard facts.
 
 :D
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Its nice that you guys like to live in a bubble where what you believe happens but unfortunately the population is still dropping. Any new players you see generally only stay for the 10 day trial and fades away long before they reach 50.
 
Maybe after the next few drops we will see an increase but pretending its happening now doesnt really help any thing.
 
These are the cold hard facts.
 
 :D
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			Guise just hop over to reddit, you will get all the facts you need right there.	
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oh..hahaha reddit.
Yes, obviously a credible source on how something is performing..
If I believed reddit, the world would have been destroyed 40 years ago already.	
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oh..hahaha reddit.
Yes, obviously a credible source on how something is performing..
If I believed reddit, the world would have been destroyed 40 years ago already.
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			Point proven....	
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Hahaha! Reddit is definitely not the place to go hunting for facts. That should be as obvious as can be. I can only hope this is a joke.
 
People have definitely been rising. Just the amount of people in my guild has increases considerably. A good portion of them below 50 and past the 10 day trial. Things are trending up, can only hope the trend will continue.	
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Hahaha! Reddit is definitely not the place to go hunting for facts. That should be as obvious as can be. I can only hope this is a joke.
 
People have definitely been rising. Just the amount of people in my guild has increases considerably. A good portion of them below 50 and past the 10 day trial. Things are trending up, can only hope the trend will continue.
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Its nice that your positive but unfortunately the cold hard facts do not support this theory of an upward trend.
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Your repetition is becoming dull.
Can you show these "facts" ?
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He'll have to stand up to show you where they're coming from.
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Derail as much as you like Dharnell, facts are facts.
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Its nice that your positive but unfortunately the cold hard facts do not support this theory of an upward trend.
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All we see is you spamming about "facts".
We have yet to see these "facts".
 
Or....
 
 
maybe you have no facts afteral?
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Derail as much as you like Dharnell, facts are facts.
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			Also have been seeing tons of people returning to the game and sticking with it.	
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Randomly logged into the game and saw a ton of new people in the guild.  Like, probably ten names I didn't recognize.  I asked if they were alts.  "No, all new characters, can you give them bank access?"
 
The guild's been busy this weekend while I was mostly away doing birthday stuff....	
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			Not sure how people say the game is not rising. The guild I am in is seeing an explosion in new applicants, new members. I strongly doubt the rate of people joining would be lower than people leaving at the moment but we will not know exactly till the next 1/4 report.	
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Similar story here.
 
A few assorted numbers.....
First recruitment post for the guild went up on the 6th Feb, we had 2 Members.
Now we're sitting at around 35-40 and our online Member concurrency has improved dramatically, especially over the last few weeks (we've gone from having 5 - 10 online at peak hours to 10 - 15 on average with at least 70% of Members logging in every 1-2 days).
In total we've recruited around 50 new Members, so approx 10 are either confirmed as having stopped playing or have not been online for 2+ weeks.
Ok, it's hardly astronomic growth compared to some (10 in a weekend would be nice!!!) but for a small guild in a 'dead game' who're starting from scratch and aren't absolutely hammering recruitment 24/7 I don't think we're doing so bad  ;) Throw in the comments I've seen ingame and on the forums from larger guilds regarding a similar trend in the rise of new joiners and I think we can say with some certainty that there's an apparent upward trend in population - or at least people joining guilds - which is not made up of 10 day Trialists (as they can't join a Guild).From my perspective things are certainly picking up more and more as we're rolling forward so it'll be interesting to see what the next Quarter, and even more so the following Quarters reports come back looking like.	
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			If you guys ignore all the cold hard facts then yes people are returning.	
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If you guys ignore all the cold hard facts then yes people are returning.
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I prefer the hot soft ones myself.
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			Fact: talking about 'facts' without any kind of reference to them is silly and lead to much teasing....	
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If you guys ignore all the cold hard facts then yes people are returning.
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			It's pretty obvious that a certain poster here is a troll, it's been producing a lot of nonsense posts the last week or two. Let's stop feeding it. :P	
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It's pretty obvious that a certain poster here is a troll, it's been producing a lot of nonsense posts the last week or two. Let's stop feeding it. :P
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I've also noticed an increase in activity. I think it's dipped a bit the last few weeks on Dom side, but that's usual between drops.
 
We'll have to wait out D5 and see what's what. As a PVP-focused drop I don't think it's going to have quite the same pull as D4, but it can certainly help publicity.
 
Crossing my fingers for D6 myself... if guild housing lands it'll be a big perk for the game. :D	
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			I'm feeling fairly optimistic about Wildstars future at the moment, things seem to be heading in the right direction. The ten day free trial is a good move by Carbine but I honestly believe they need to expand on this. I hope they eventually decide to go free (with limited restrictions) up to at least level fifteen, that way you get housing and trades to play with. This would give players a pretty good idea if the game is really something they want to invest their money/time in. It would also make the lower level content consistently lively. I'm sure there's a good reason why it's just a limited trail but I'm hopeful it's just a first step to revitalizing the game going forward. 	
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I'm feeling fairly optimistic about Wildstars future at the moment, things seem to be heading in the right direction. The ten day free trial is a good move by Carbine but I honestly believe they need to expand on this. I hope they eventually decide to go free (with limited restrictions) up to at least level fifteen, that way you get housing and trades to play with. This would give players a pretty good idea if the game is really something they want to invest their money/time in. It would also make the lower level content consistently lively. I'm sure there's a good reason why it's just a limited trail but I'm hopeful it's just a first step to revitalizing the game going forward. 
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to go free (with limited restrictions) up to at least level fifteen
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I'm feeling fairly optimistic about Wildstars future at the moment, things seem to be heading in the right direction. The ten day free trial is a good move by Carbine but I honestly believe they need to expand on this. I hope they eventually decide to go free (with limited restrictions) up to at least level fifteen, that way you get housing and trades to play with. This would give players a pretty good idea if the game is really something they want to invest their money/time in. It would also make the lower level content consistently lively. I'm sure there's a good reason why it's just a limited trail but I'm hopeful it's just a first step to revitalizing the game going forward. 
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If they are going to do this, up to level 20 would be good so there are more people doing the dungeons.
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You have the protostar dungeon now.
So there is a dungeon and shiphand included in the trial.
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You have the protostar dungeon now.
So there is a dungeon and shiphand included in the trial.
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Could do like WoW, and just open the free trial to level 20, with the standard restrictions applied from the 10d trial.
The 10d trial can then be activated by existing accounts every time they're absent for longer then 6 months.	
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So the other day my guild and I found a couple new people, one of who were trying to communicate to someone standing at a mailbox, he'd just come to the AH for the first time and was complimenting them on their costume (and they weren't replying) so we started chatting to him. He had just come back to the game and was enjoying the housing, but couldn't find lights he could afford to make his house look nice. Whilst we were chatting about lights the other newbie (who had tested in beta but forgotten about the game) comes over and timidly joins in the conversation talking about houses, and asks how she could go and view other people's plots.
 
The first newbie went on to say that he had built a man cave, and that he wanted the other person to come see it so they started trying to work out how. So we told them about neighbours and how it worked, and also about public plots. At this point mancave newb went back to the ah to look again for lights, so I logged my main and hopped off to a crafting area to make him and the other newb a housewarming gift. I made the red marauder lights, as I thought they would look awesome in a mancave.
 
So I go back and I try to trade to them, and they both insist on giving me gold, and I'm like noooo it's a gift! Until they accepted. The thanks and praise I got for "this game has had the best population so far, so friendly, everyone answers questions" ended up with them both friending me. A little later on I looked at my friends list. Both were now above the trial limit... Why? Because the game has changed for the better, the housing is awesome and the population, whilst small, is friendly and welcoming. His friends who he is playing with had also subbed too, and were planning on building all sorts of things at max level.
 
Why have I rambled on so long? Because it just shows how nice this game is. The people constantly doomsaying 24hrs a day don't realise how even the smallest gesture of positivity can attract new people. Constantly belittling the population who are enjoying themselves is silly, I admit myself the population is not BIG, nope, but the people I've met in this game have completely changed my life for the better (To a point I'm travelling in 2 days to Sweden to meet a guildie!)
 
So, whilst you think you have imaginary "facts" to back up your claims, I'm yet to see them. I would like to see them, I really would. Being able to compare to my own findings would very much interest me. However I do have SS of my guild growing dramatically over the last month. Not only my guild, but several others have reported the same both exile and dominion.
 
So yeah, we know the population is bad. But jesus christ, give the positive threads a place to be positive and go and muddy your own waters for once. I might even come in and moan myself.	
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			thats great feedback, thats one thing we could make to get more people ingame, stop the trolling on chats ingame, giving advice to whoever need it, and answering every question even if we think its very obvious, for some people who are starting get into nexus its not, so be nice and see how the community gets bigger and improve	
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			That story really gave me good feels, Sylqt. :) Thanks for sharing it.	
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Its nice that your positive but unfortunately the cold hard facts do not support this theory of an upward trend.
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One persons actions do not equal a "caring, compassionate community". As nice as it may be, I tend to not interact with players outside of my guild, just purely because most tend to be, well, jerks. I know, may be cynical of me, but after playing MMOs for roughly 10 years, I have came to the conclusion that if you remove the fear of being punched in the face, people become jerks =/
 
I do agree, the population is small, but from what I have experienced when I have interacted on the EU gameside, it tends to be pretty decent. Except for PVP, no one is nice in PVP!
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I'm sat here waiting for ONE person talking about cold hard facts, to acutally quote some?!  Gimme some official published facts and fugures !!
 
All I see from you and your ilk so far is cold hard assumption based on a one sided viewpoint...  Thats weaker than an educated guess.
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http://redditmetrics.com/r/WildStar
 
Look closely at the subreddit growth box. In the last 30 days WS is 6th from last out of over 600,000 reddit subs in growth. Protogames dropped Feb 3, so this time frame works. /r/wildstar has been loosing subs every single day without fail since a month after launch. The rate of loss has been decreasing, but even now it's still loosing, not gaining. 
 
I went into it a bit more here, but yes, these are real numbers, and they are pretty dire.
 
 
WS is getting better, no one is doubting that. However, pretending that it is already at the point where we've reversed the trend only stops us from trying to come up with ways to improve the situation. If you want to help WS, I'd ask that you head over to this thread and contribute some ideas.
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I don't understand your logic.  Are you assuming that NCSoft will, at some point, assume we have "enough" subscribers and thus the game will no longer require player feedback?
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? I really have no idea how you think ... whatever it is exactly that you are thinking?
 
My post that you quoted provides real numbers that demonstrate how WS has not yet turned itself around and is still loosing subs.
 
Wrong thread/quote perhaps?
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reddit subscribers is now an indicator of how wel a game performs?
Based on that wow should be on 250k subscribers.....compared to the millions of people playing...	
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? I really have no idea how you think ... whatever it is exactly that you are thinking?
 
My post that you quoted provides real numbers that demonstrate how WS has not yet turned itself around and is still loosing subs.
 
Wrong thread/quote perhaps?
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No, you've got numbers on the subreddit (which we rarely frequent), conflicting with numbers in towns where the population is rising, and further conflicting with people whose guilds are recruiting without any difficulty 10-20 new players a day, and I just assumed you imagined that the decrease in the popularity of the Wildstar subreddit directly equated with the game, which hardly seems true.  As far as your numbers are concerned, I don't even exist.
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Unless you have actual numbers to offer, please don't claim mine are invalid. Personal anecdotes are not valid data. If you'd look at that graph again, you'd notice one crazy spike in lost subs on 7-29. That's right when people's WS subscription would have needed to be refreshed, in other words yes, reddit subs do reflect game subscriptions. As I went into it on the other post, -10 reddit subs doesn't equal -10 WS subs, but it very clearly is still a -X, not a +X.
 
 
 
 
I have never claimed nor insinuated that a positive player growth would stop NCSoft from improving the game, that's ridiculous.
 
If the Q1 2015 estimate is anywhere close to accurate, WS is operating at a loss. That means that NCSoft is loosing money keeping CRB and WS running, and as evidence by them currently being open, NCSoft is banking on WS becoming profitable in the future. A positive population growth would mean that WS's earnings would be projected to keep increasing the longer it was open, meaning NCSoft would be less likely to pull the plug.
 
Ultimately the purpose of the thread is to do what we can for the game that we all like, nothing more. 
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Unless you have actual numbers to offer, please don't claim mine are invalid. Personal anecdotes are not valid data. If you'd look at that graph again, you'd notice one crazy spike in lost subs on 7-29. That's right when people's WS subscription would have needed to be refreshed, in other words yes, reddit subs do reflect game subscriptions. As I went into it on the other post, -10 reddit subs doesn't equal -10 WS subs, but it very clearly is still a -X, not a +X.
 
 
 
 
I have never claimed nor insinuated that a positive player growth would stop NCSoft from improving the game, that's ridiculous.
 
If the Q1 2015 estimate is anywhere close to accurate, WS is operating at a loss. That means that NCSoft is loosing money keeping CRB and WS running, and as evidence by them currently being open, NCSoft is banking on WS becoming profitable in the future. A positive population growth would mean that WS's earnings would be projected to keep increasing the longer it was open, meaning NCSoft would be less likely to pull the plug.
 
Ultimately the purpose of the thread is to do what we can for the game that we all like, nothing more.
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Anecdotal evidence (the one you disdain) is a better metric (cumulatively, not individually) since there is a causal connection between guilds recruiting new players and new players subbing into the game.
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I uh, wow. There's really nothing for me to say other than "you are wrong", as you have to me. It's safe to assume that the overlap between reddit subs and WS subs (% of players that also sub to the reddit) has not changed over time, and as long as that is the case my previous assertion holds true. The idea that your own anecdotes can more accurately track player population is beyond ludicrous. 
 
You are seriously going to claim that despite the reddit sub's growth rate being in the bottom .001% of all of reddit, loosing roughly 30 people each day, that the in game the population is rising? I really can't do anything other than repeat myself.
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I don't believe in the "hope" you are talking about. Wildstar is too small and bottlenecked of a game to have a big long term following.
the "massive" in "mmo" is missing here.
you play it, its fun (loved it) but then... it just... put you on a treadmill with no reason to look behind.
 
add to that a sub fee for basically a few endgame repeatable instances, not so bad but too simplified pvp, and hardcore raiding and you have the reason for the current attrition (even among players who loved the game while playing it).	
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I don't believe in the "hope" you are talking about. Wildstar is too small and bottlenecked of a game to have a big long term following.
the "massive" in "mmo" is missing here.
you play it, its fun (loved it) but then... it just... put you on a treadmill with no reason to look behind.
 
add to that a sub fee for basically a few endgame repeatable instances, not so bad but too simplified pvp, and hardcore raiding and you have the reason for the current attrition (even among players who loved the game while playing it).
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ok, bringing this back on topic, anyone said to me these scans should be done periodically to really mean something, so i made a new scan today, friday april 3rd, at 5:00 p.m EST so 2:00 p.m PST, its not the same odd hour like last week but its not prime time either, and what i found its an increase comparing to last week.
 
http://imgur.com/a/23Dlz
 
this time i show the dominion side too, like the other day the brackets from 1-20 were full in exile side, and half full on the dommies (it repeats the tendency in all brackets so ill think the exile/dommie proportion its like 2/1), meanwhile the 21-49 are kinda low on dommies, but enough to make bgs and dungeons happen, meanwhile at the exile side 21-30 its good and improving and the 31-49 are better than last week.in both sides the population at lvl 50 is of the charts and dont have a way to measure it, but as i see there is enough people to do content while leveling, not the masses you will see in a game like wow, but a healthy community and the data suggest it increased from last week, so until now, yes its rising :)	
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Go Wildstar go!
 
It still could do with a large influx, but up incrementally is fine with me provided they continue the trend of improving the game so as to keep them coming. 	
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http://global.ncsoft.com/global/ir/quarterly.aspx#none <-- Facts providedThis will not tell you how large a population is, nor how many buys CREDDs etc. What it will tell is whether there are more revenue from Copies & CREDDs sold compared to other quarterly updates.
 
Paying customers do, after all, indicate how many people are buying CREDDs and/or the game itself. If the revenue is falling, it means the sale of CREDDs and the Game is failing which in the long run means less players in-game.This is, contrary to what most believe, not freaking rocket science. I wish it were, but it is not.
 
- Wildstar Copy cost A$.
- CREDD cost B$.
- Find the Median of Game Cost & CREDD cost ( C ). (A + B)/2 = C- Convert the US Dollars into Korean Won. http://www.xe.com (best currency converter evah..). Apply the rates to the Median Cost
- Divide the Revenue of Wildstar (D) with the Median Cost ( C ). D/C = E
- E represents how many players have bought either the game or credds.
 
That should give you an incredibly good indication of just how much the population either dwindles and/or rise provided you go through all quarterly reports.It´s not perfect, by all means, as it would be nice to know the exact amount of CREDDs bought and Wildstar Copies bought. Since no company would ever release those figures to players and never have done, this is the best gestimate players will get.
 
No I dont play Wildstar. I was interested, that interest went poof reading through the hate in this thread. Might consider just going for the trial..	
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dude, we are already over that, the 4Q 2014 was the darkest hour of wildstar, in september-november this was a ghost town even the 2 megaservers, you could have the game for yourself at 3 a.m.the thing we are disscusing here is how is the population slowly rising since january, a good chunk of people come back for drop 4 some stay some didnt. but the thing is that the trending and curve from oct-dic 2014 its totally diferent form the one jan-mar 2015, and thats something good, because most of us see a slowly rising in the population, a rising i want to make more clear with direct observation of the phenomenon in the 2 sets of screenshots i posted.
 
the fact you bring are way to get closer to the numbers, but please someone here raise a hand if you think the population at this moment is smaller than it was at november or december, because that was rock bottom and the 4q 2014 report was the report of the rock bottom of wildstar (i dont think you could find any that think today pop is smaller).	
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Aye. I have noticed that there have been at the very least 3 to 4 players in starter areas. I believe it has done good, and will do good for Wildstar, and I say bless it! I want to continue playing as it is now, I want this game to grow.
 
Aye. The doomsayers want the game to go free to play. They are not concerned about what is good for the game. 
 
I am concerned with what is good for the game itself. I believe we all have admitted to ourselves at one point the possibility of the game converting.
 
ESO has been successful with Buy to Play so far. Even I admit that if the Devs were possibly considering doing something to change the payment model, buy to play may be a good choice. Those who wish to sub, may do so to continue support the game. Free to play offers the most losses. The loss of money from box sales.
 
I have been reading much about your feedback. Mostly everyone is highly opposed to any converstion. Some have admitted that it may go that way, but they want to pay to remove the changes added. To play normal. Some of you have said you will leave all together due to your experience with past games converted. Some of you fight for the flood of potential players that want to get in. The proof in that is the fact that 7 topics a week have been made about this, the fact those who do support F2P are labeled as trolls, and the fact if someone creates a topic they have to go out of their way to add: (This is not a F2P rant) somewhere in the OP's post.	
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dude, we are already over that, the 4Q 2014 was the darkest hour of wildstar, in september-november this was a ghost town even the 2 megaservers, you could have the game for yourself at 3 a.m.
 
the thing we are disscusing here is how is the population slowly rising since january, a good chunk of people come back for drop 4 some stay some didnt. but the thing is that the trending and curve from oct-dic 2014 its totally diferent form the one jan-mar 2015, and thats something good, because most of us see a slowly rising in the population, a rising i want to make more clear with direct observation of the phenomenon in the 2 sets of screenshots i posted.
 
the fact you bring are way to get closer to the numbers, but please someone here raise a hand if you think the population at this moment is smaller than it was at november or december, because that was rock bottom and the 4q 2014 report was the report of the rock bottom of wildstar (i dont think you could find any that think today pop is smaller).
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Some of you fight for the flood of potential players that want to get in. The proof in that is the fact that 7 topics a week have been made about this, the fact those who do support F2P are labeled as trolls, and the fact if someone creates a topic they have to go out of their way to add: (This is not a F2P rant) somewhere in the OP's post.
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LOL @ People who think Reddit = The Internet.
 
Almost all casuals don't even use forums, letalone Reddit. Most people don't have time for that crap or just don't care.
 
Btw, Casuals = ALL the market. Hardcore players are like 5% tops.	
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Actually, if there was a kickstarter fund or carbine scraped their money together, they may be able to come up with money for an expantion. If they do that, it may tempt more people into joining. I am sure I am not the only one who would enjoy a official expantion.
 
Stuff like a conversion to another pay format, expansions, and launches are MMO games bread n butter. It would be the exact opposite of what people are expecting. The conversion of format. Catch those naysayers with their pants down!	
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Point me to the direction of that Q1 from 2015 that obviously have been unofficially posted somewhere by someone not from NCSoft which states that the sales indeed has gone up..................................................... *sighs*
 
Facts please
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Asking for things you know don't exist doesn't make you right.  It makes you a jerk.
 
Stop hiding behind the Q4 2014 report like a shield.  This forum has seen enough of it.
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EDIT:  Okay, I read over this again, and made some edits.  This is why I shouldn't post on 3 hours of sleep.
 
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, he can't be a jerk for hiding behind numbers if you are unable to provide any yourself.
 
As much anecdotal evidence as there may be, it's not real evidence. The vast, overwhelming majority of players will never interact with the game outside of the game itself, meaning they don't come to the forums (most don't even join guilds). There very well may be a large rise of returning players, and those may post on the forums, but they are not the playerbase. 
 
Until we have official numbers, we have to make do with what we have, true. However, that does not mean resorting to taking "I'm back! Where do I restart?" posts as data.
 
The best I have found is looking at Reddit. As an existing social media platform, it is much more likely that people will sub to /r/Wildstar thanks to already having an existing account. Furthermore, other biases inherent to Reddit such as it's continual growth or abandoned accounts skew toward a positive result. You can clearly see that these numbers directly correlate with game subscriptions, thanks to the end of month drop at payment time as well as the oft observed "bad months" matching up. 
 
While the news isn't as good as many here would like, it is good news. As the key thing we are looking as growth, not #s, /r/wildstar is well on its way to hitting that -0. Since a month after launch, the sub had been loosing ~80 a day during the worst of it. As of now it's somewhere around -18. That's still good news. To be clear though, last I check /r/WS was in the bottom .001% of all reddit subs (> 100 members) in growth. It's still not healthy, but it's getting there.
 
While no one wants to hear it, WildStar has more than likely had a net loss of subscriptions since Q4 2014. The good news is that it's turning around.
Let me be clear is is obscenely rare for a MMO to gain subs outside of launch/expansions. If it weren't for FFXIV, I'd say it's almost unheard of. The majority of the time the population surges with the hyped content release, then slowly bleeds out until the next content and media push arrive. That is normal. If WildStar even hits -0 that is great news.
 
 
All that said, stop harassing people for caring about numbers and throwing out anecdotes despite the pressure to give in and disregard the painful truth. It doesn't help anyone.
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That is exactly why I bring my own hard numbers to the table with reddit.
 
If you really can't provide anything yourself, I don't know how you expect anyone to take your word for it. Anything, even literally writing down /who numbers each day.
 
Let me make something clear: all the "doomsayers" desperately want to be proven wrong. That's why they are posting, and that is why they are still here. Unlike you, they are not content to simply take hearsay as fact, which is good on them. That is also why I urge you to not be dicks to them, as they are barely hanging on to this game as is.
 
While I do my best to avoid talking about it (as they are not data), my own anecdotes are nothing but negative. Every time I just wanted to relax a bit in WS, I'd queue for a vet adventure. The last few times I have tried, during primetime, the queues wouldn't pop. Dungeons popped almost instantly, but it seems no one is running adventures anymore. This just on top of my constant neighbor cleansing, guild population, even daily zones are quickly becoming ghost towns. I'm not disputing the increase of returning player posts, I just don't think they are indicative of a population increase. 	
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That is exactly why I bring my own hard numbers to the table with reddit.
 
If you really can't provide anything yourself, I don't know how you expect anyone to take your word for it. Anything, even literally writing down /who numbers each day.
 
Let me make something clear: all the "doomsayers" desperately want to be proven wrong. That's why they are posting, and that is why they are still here. Unlike you, they are not content to simply take hearsay as fact, which is good on them. That is also why I urge you to not be dicks to them, as they are barely hanging on to this game as is.
 
While I do my best to avoid talking about it (as they are not data), my own anecdotes are nothing but negative. Every time I just wanted to relax a bit in WS, I'd queue for a vet adventure. The last few times I have tried, during primetime, the queues wouldn't pop. Dungeons popped almost instantly, but it seems no one is running adventures anymore. This just on top of my constant neighbor cleansing, guild population, even daily zones are quickly becoming ghost towns. I'm not disputing the increase of returning player posts, I just don't think they are indicative of a population increase. 
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That is exactly why I bring my own hard numbers to the table with reddit.
 
If you really can't provide anything yourself, I don't know how you expect anyone to take your word for it. Anything, even literally writing down /who numbers each day.
 
Let me make something clear: all the "doomsayers" desperately want to be proven wrong. That's why they are posting, and that is why they are still here. Unlike you, they are not content to simply take hearsay as fact, which is good on them. That is also why I urge you to not be dicks to them, as they are barely hanging on to this game as is.
 
While I do my best to avoid talking about it (as they are not data), my own anecdotes are nothing but negative. Every time I just wanted to relax a bit in WS, I'd queue for a vet adventure. The last few times I have tried, during primetime, the queues wouldn't pop. Dungeons popped almost instantly, but it seems no one is running adventures anymore. This just on top of my constant neighbor cleansing, guild population, even daily zones are quickly becoming ghost towns. I'm not disputing the increase of returning player posts, I just don't think they are indicative of a population increase. 
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