148889-back-again-whats-best-dps

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Hello I'm just getting back into Wildstar and I want to know right now who is
leading the way when it comes to DPS? I tried looking at some threads but their all over a year old, I can't find anything current so if someone can fill me in on whats whats?	
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every class can be #1 in dps. its up to the player to master the rotation/gear/runing and be positioned perfectly every second of the fight to not lose dps moving out of red.
there is minor unbalances in the top 5% of players but those change regularly. just play whats most fun to you.	
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These kinds of posts always make me think of this guy:
 
 
"Jack! Help, Jack! I'm just an elected official here. I can't make decisions by myself!"
 
 :lol: ;)	
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			XD I'm trying to burn bosses quick =) and i just love seeing  #1 dmg thats the main reason, I have a level 22 warrior. And i love the way he looks and his sword looks BA!!!! but people keep saying warriors suck that I made the wrong class for DPS. so thats more along the lines of what I want to know. so I figured ask the pro's	
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Well, the HONEST truth is, what is the "best" and "number one" today can (and will) change. In the short time this game has been live, nearly EVERY class has been "the best" at one thing or another, even the Warrior that people are telling you sucks today.
 
As Furoflo pointed out, it really is far more dependent on player skill than class mechanics. If you can learn your best rotation, get decent runes and some good gear, then you're going to kick butt. Those "Top 5%" he mentions are going to perform that well no matter WHAT class they are playing.
 
If you like melee, play Warrior. It's a great class with very few real drawbacks. And even if it's not "the best" this month, give it a couple of weeks and that's just as likely to change as not.	
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			The best dps is the dps you enjoy playing the most!	
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And even if it's not "the best" this month...
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			Enhance Shaman or Sub Rogue. Anything else is wasting your time.	
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Enhance Shaman or Sub Rogue. Anything else is wasting your time.
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			Ironbreaker. OP.	
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Thank you all very much! but when you guys say things like gear, What stats does a DPS look for? i know their are two Critical stats which is better or do you need both?? and whats this whole assault rating? i played back before the game F2P
i bought my founders pack but was able to play the game (lack of money/ family health problems)
and now I just got a Gaming PC!! (God Bless)  and 1st thing i did was download wildstar, So any info at all helps <3 :D	
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HAHHAAHA, dude, you are so misinformed and bitter, crack the top 50 yet in All-Stars shoryuken?  
 
You have to take the overall class dps, from the lowest to the top.  Guess what, warriors aren't there.  Are the very max dps near the top, yep warriors are up there, never said they weren't.  But don't expect warriors accounting for everything to be on top because PL is pretty OP buff and very noticeable on encounters when your PL warrior dies.  In actuallity, spellslingers and espers are the worse off imo.
 
Top single target=Stalkers
Top Multi-target= Medics
 
shadeiz, go to wildstarlogs.com (sorry no links), look at the rankings, you'll see what top dps are.  Some players may be higher because some of the boss strats are what are called parse strats, which ignore alot of mechanics because they can due to dps being so high.  Also, some fights don't get fully parsed because of "rooms" on fights such as System Daemons and Avatus.  But honestly, find the class you like to play because next drop, could see the classes I mention below be totally opposite.  
 
Go by DS logs (not GA because of overpowered DS gear, GA logs are worthless)Max DPS is stalker>warrior>medic>engineer>esper>spellslinger.
95% percentile is stalker>medic>spellslinger>Engineer>warrior>esper
75% percentile is stalker>medic>engineer>SS>Epser>warrior
 
 
Shadeiz, on the stats, depends on the class.  Some classes need multihit 1st priority, some do crit w/ crit hit sev being most important.  Some don't need as much crit but crit hit sev.  Consensus is want strikethrough capped at the respective level of content your doing.  Assault rating is just Assault Power in a rating form.  I think it's 4 assault rating for 1 assault power, but not 100% sure.
			
				
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stalker 
 
medic is also rly good in aoe fights	
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"the top 50 yet in All-Stars" .
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This.
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What do you mean by this? I was just wondering?
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			Parse strats vs kill strats	
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HAHHAAHA, dude, you are so misinformed and bitter, crack the top 50 yet in All-Stars shoryuken? 
 
You have to take the overall class dps, from the lowest to the top. Guess what, warriors aren't there. Are the very max dps near the top, yep warriors are up there, never said they weren't. But don't expect warriors accounting for everything to be on top because PL is pretty OP buff and very noticeable on encounters when your PL warrior dies. In actuallity, spellslingers and espers are the worse off imo.
 
Top single target=Stalkers
Top Multi-target= Medics
 
shadeiz, go to wildstarlogs.com (sorry no links), look at the rankings, you'll see what top dps are. Some players may be higher because some of the boss strats are what are called parse strats, which ignore alot of mechanics because they can due to dps being so high. Also, some fights don't get fully parsed because of "rooms" on fights such as System Daemons and Avatus. But honestly, find the class you like to play because next drop, could see the classes I mention below be totally opposite. 
 
Go by DS logs (not GA because of overpowered DS gear, GA logs are worthless)
Max DPS is stalker>warrior>medic>engineer>esper>spellslinger.
95% percentile is stalker>medic>spellslinger>Engineer>warrior>esper
75% percentile is stalker>medic>engineer>SS>Epser>warrior
 
 
Shadeiz, on the stats, depends on the class. Some classes need multihit 1st priority, some do crit w/ crit hit sev being most important. Some don't need as much crit but crit hit sev. Consensus is want strikethrough capped at the respective level of content your doing. Assault rating is just Assault Power in a rating form. I think it's 4 assault rating for 1 assault power, but not 100% sure.
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This.
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I'm at work  :D  so could you summarize what the link is? cause its blocked by my job
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Just shows dps charts/rankings by specific player, specifically for DS.  You can sort it by class, by boss, even have statistics for every parse that has been loaded up from beginning to past day to past 2 weeks.  The class rankings I mentioned, Max/75% percentile are class dps rankings for the whole of DS.  Not counting trash, just bosses/mini-bosses.  It's actually cool to see the dps chart line graph from beginnning to end and the class changes according to patch or someone finding a better strat for a boss.  Alot of DS guilds upload parses for whatever reason be it epeen dps, or to see deaths and what happened to actually go over your rotation and seeing what you are doing wrong compared to other top dps of the respective class.
 
Top Ranked according to dps parse
Engie- Ser Tanks
Esper- V Empire
Medic- Byona MD
Spellslinger- King Fool
Stalker- Kirito Chwan
Warrior- Alleria Windrunner
 
But the top dps according to statistics is stalkers @ 33652, with warriors being 2nd (31,324) and spellslinger being last (28761).  But takes the top max dps parse for that class into account.  The 75% percentile is just taking what the 75% ranked of the stalker parses, which is 19979 and warriors at bottom with 18822.  See a drastic drop in warrior rankings due to a buff they bring called PL which doesnt bring alot of personnel dps, but alot of raid dps.  It's pretty op buff so you have 1 or 2 warriors running it depending on the fight.  See droppings in a lot of classes for their personnel dps vs buff spec.  Stalkers with bloodthirst.  Espers buff spec is built into their personnel dps spec (not counting the melee spec).  Medics with probes, and spellslingers too.  So you can take the results with a grain of salt and look at max dps or top 95% percentile.  Also, doesn't take strats into account and people bringing more utility/survivabilty to a fight vs some of the classes bringing 8 dps LAS and just healing thru mechanics because their gear outweighs the encounter.  The pairs fights are an example, can ignore alot of the strat to kill them if you have alot of dps.  I think Maelstrom though is the worst for ignoring mechanics of the fight.
 
I actually think warriror dps is in a good place, conterary to what shoryken says Ive said about them.  Some fights, they destroy, some fights they don't.  Have to do the classes as a whole from top to bottom, cant take into account the top 1% of the top 1% of the guilds in the game, but that's just my opinion.
 
I would honestly, find guilds that are 1/9 DS or 8/9 or even mid DS atm, and look at their charts.  To many top guilds these days overinflate numbers or use strats that make one player look good over others, example of having everyone stop dps, but have a player continue to dps to pad his numbers.
 
And shoyru, get anyone to gquit this week?
			
				
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Just shows dps charts/rankings by specific player, specifically for DS.  You can sort it by class, by boss, even have statistics for every parse that has been loaded up from beginning to past day to past 2 weeks.  The class rankings I mentioned, Max/75% percentile are class dps rankings for the whole of DS.  Not counting trash, just bosses/mini-bosses.  It's actually cool to see the dps chart line graph from beginnning to end and the class changes according to patch or someone finding a better strat for a boss.  Alot of DS guilds upload parses for whatever reason be it epeen dps, or to see deaths and what happened to actually go over your rotation and seeing what you are doing wrong compared to other top dps of the respective class.
 
Top Ranked according to dps parse
Engie- Ser Tanks
Esper- V Empire
Medic- Byona MD
Spellslinger- King Fool
Stalker- Kirito Chwan
Warrior- Alleria Windrunner
 
But the top dps according to statistics is stalkers @ 33652, with warriors being 2nd (31,324) and spellslinger being last (28761).  But takes the top max dps parse for that class into account.  The 75% percentile is just taking what the 75% ranked of the stalker parses, which is 19979 and warriors at bottom with 18822.  See a drastic drop in warrior rankings due to a buff they bring called PL which doesnt bring alot of personnel dps, but alot of raid dps.  It's pretty op buff so you have 1 or 2 warriors running it depending on the fight.  See droppings in a lot of classes for their personnel dps vs buff spec.  Stalkers with bloodthirst.  Espers buff spec is built into their personnel dps spec (not counting the melee spec).  Medics with probes, and spellslingers too.  So you can take the results with a grain of salt and look at max dps or top 95% percentile.  Also, doesn't take strats into account and people bringing more utility/survivabilty to a fight vs some of the classes bringing 8 dps LAS and just healing thru mechanics because their gear outweighs the encounter.  The pairs fights are an example, can ignore alot of the strat to kill them if you have alot of dps.  I think Maelstrom though is the worst for ignoring mechanics of the fight.
 
I actually think warriror dps is in a good place, conterary to what shoryken says Ive said about them.  Some fights, they destroy, some fights they don't.  Have to do the classes as a whole from top to bottom, cant take into account the top 1% of the top 1% of the guilds in the game, but that's just my opinion.
 
I would honestly, find guilds that are 1/9 DS or 8/9 or even mid DS atm, and look at their charts.  To many top guilds these days overinflate numbers or use strats that make one player look good over others, example of having everyone stop dps, but have a player continue to dps to pad his numbers.
 
And shoyru, get anyone to gquit this week?
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Just shows dps charts/rankings by specific player, specifically for DS.  You can sort it by class, by boss, even have statistics for every parse that has been loaded up from beginning to past day to past 2 weeks.  The class rankings I mentioned, Max/75% percentile are class dps rankings for the whole of DS.  Not counting trash, just bosses/mini-bosses.  It's actually cool to see the dps chart line graph from beginnning to end and the class changes according to patch or someone finding a better strat for a boss.  Alot of DS guilds upload parses for whatever reason be it epeen dps, or to see deaths and what happened to actually go over your rotation and seeing what you are doing wrong compared to other top dps of the respective class.
 
Top Ranked according to dps parse
Engie- Ser Tanks
Esper- V Empire
Medic- Byona MD
Spellslinger- King Fool
Stalker- Kirito Chwan
Warrior- Alleria Windrunner
 
But the top dps according to statistics is stalkers @ 33652, with warriors being 2nd (31,324) and spellslinger being last (28761).  But takes the top max dps parse for that class into account.  The 75% percentile is just taking what the 75% ranked of the stalker parses, which is 19979 and warriors at bottom with 18822.  See a drastic drop in warrior rankings due to a buff they bring called PL which doesnt bring alot of personnel dps, but alot of raid dps.  It's pretty op buff so you have 1 or 2 warriors running it depending on the fight.  See droppings in a lot of classes for their personnel dps vs buff spec.  Stalkers with bloodthirst.  Espers buff spec is built into their personnel dps spec (not counting the melee spec).  Medics with probes, and spellslingers too.  So you can take the results with a grain of salt and look at max dps or top 95% percentile.  Also, doesn't take strats into account and people bringing more utility/survivabilty to a fight vs some of the classes bringing 8 dps LAS and just healing thru mechanics because their gear outweighs the encounter.  The pairs fights are an example, can ignore alot of the strat to kill them if you have alot of dps.  I think Maelstrom though is the worst for ignoring mechanics of the fight.
 
I actually think warriror dps is in a good place, conterary to what shoryken says Ive said about them.  Some fights, they destroy, some fights they don't.  Have to do the classes as a whole from top to bottom, cant take into account the top 1% of the top 1% of the guilds in the game, but that's just my opinion.
 
I would honestly, find guilds that are 1/9 DS or 8/9 or even mid DS atm, and look at their charts.  To many top guilds these days overinflate numbers or use strats that make one player look good over others, example of having everyone stop dps, but have a player continue to dps to pad his numbers.
 
And shoyru, get anyone to gquit this week?
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The best dps is the dps you enjoy playing the most!
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			You can lookup all the gear and you can also wear any set via the holowardrobe so it don't matter what class you are!	
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Opinion:
 
Stalkers are top single target DPS.  They, should be and should stay there.  IMO stalkers have highest ceiling in terms of skill.  The positional requirement, the huge burst threat, the medium (instead of heavy) armor means it's just simply a bit harder for a stalker to do his job to the level of say an esper or a slinger, would just find a safer spot and just do a rotation.
 
Secondly, stalker utility is less than other classes.  Hence since they have LESS ultility they compensate with MORE damage.
 
This does not mean that all classes can't do great damage - THEY CAN.
 
As a raid leader though, the MOST IMPORTANT THING IS MECHANICS.  You parse #1?  great for you.  Idgaf.  I need 20 people to do mechanics well, or else we wipe, no matter how high the damage is (ok, to an extent).
 
My thought building team composition is that even though stalkers are top DPS they are my lowest priority, because unless you can talk your top DPS to run bloodthirst (which tanks can do at least half the time), the only thing that stalker is bringing is damage.
 
Medics, who have amazing cleave, bring great buffs when needed.
 
Slingers, while they aren't top DPS, have great uptime, buff with arcane missles, and arcane shock is AMAZING (let alone chill being required for gloomclaw)
 
Espers always bring that amazing storm debuff (manditory for your raid) and have really great damage as well.  (I'm partial cause i mained esper for a while).
 
Engis also have great damage, bring volatile injection and bioshell, and chan run some odd interrupt builds, extend MOOs, etc...
 
Warriors are GODS of buffs and interrupts.  D-grid, P-link, smackdown, up to 5 interrupts with super-short cooldown, two movement abilities, personal cleanse, etc...
 
I guess the point is yeah, a stalker does more damage than a warrior, but a warrior might be more importnat for the raid.
 
Also we are talking difference of under 10% dps between classes.  If I had a player with excellent mechanics and 80% dps, i'd take them all the time over someone with 100% dps and worse mechanics.
 
My advice:
 
PLAY THE CLASS YOU LIKE MOST.  If you don't like what you are doing, you will eventually quit.  G.G.	
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			If your planning to raid, by the time your level 30 go to a dummy, and try out the "endgame" rotations.  I believe you have all your abilities by 30, it's just minor things that you may not do the complete rotation.  And some classes rotation changes when they get Class Set runes, but the geist is still there.  If you like the rotation, you choose your class, if you find the rotations annoying as hell, than you may not have choose the correct class. 	
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If your planning to raid, by the time your level 30 go to a dummy, and try out the "endgame" rotations.  I believe you have all your abilities by 30, it's just minor things that you may not do the complete rotation.  And some classes rotation changes when they get Class Set runes, but the geist is still there.  If you like the rotation, you choose your class, if you find the rotations annoying as hell, than you may not have choose the correct class. 
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gist*
 
Geist is a ghost. Many rotations that are actually used are unavailable at lvl 30 and require full ability points to use. Any rotation you have at 30 is not indicative of "end game" rotations. Not saying you shouldn't practice but your time would be better spent practicing on mobs or in group content than on a dummy with a rotation that wont be used at 50.
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Thanks for finding the error I did Mr. internet grammer police.  
 
-Warrior 6-7 button WW rotation by lvl 25 (or 28 if you want to try w/ Kinetic Burst).  PL is lvl 25 or lvl 33 w/ t4 BS considering don't need PL to do the rotation.
-Esper does need max level to get the feel with how fast you can gain psi points and that would change your rotation, though wack-a-mole isn't to hard imo.  But you can get the basic rotation down of building to 5 psi points and casting storm. 
-Stalker -impale>impale>impale>punish+aw>concuscive kick. Done.  The rest of the rotation is on building up suit power which is not hard to figure out so basically when to stance dance and do prep.  You have this all by the time your 30.
 
I honestly don't know the 3 other classes, so wont comment on that.
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			This thread is an excellent example of why paid class change is such a bad idea. Stop suggesting it. 	
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You're welcome. 
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People are suggesting paid class change here?
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So grats on everyone gquitting.
 
People are suggesting paid class change here?
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Maybe not in this particular thread but it has been mentioned elsewhere.  Though I'm still not against it, I wanted to be a Draken Medic. I don't care about top DPS, I just really enjoyed being a Medic. I also really enjoyed playing as a Draken and decided that being a Draken is more important than being a Medic. In the event class restrictions open up, I will most certainly make a Draken Medic. If paid class changes are an option, I am also willing to pay for this change.
 
Though now I am imagining Carbine suddenly investing more money in class balance so they can profit from players constantly paying for class changes to be top DPS.
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If you have a medic it would just be a paid race change, not a paid class change, right? 
 
And, yeah, that last line is exactly what I was talking about. :)
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I don't know what most of those things mean, but from a quick glance, it seems the EU people are just like ... WAY BETTER at this game. :lol:
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