Report 998

Report #998
Skillset: Aquamancy Skill: Whirlpool
 Org: Aquamancers Status: Completed Dec 2012
Furies' Decision:
Solution 1.
Problem: This report seeks to expand upon the effects of whirlpool. It is
currently a solid skill, but lacks the flexiblity desired when the mage seeks to
control the battlefield. One issue is that whirlpool is unable to be turned off.
In some situations, this goes against the strategy the mage is planning. A
second issue with whirlpool is that the mage is unable to see when the
whirlpool(and currents) actually moves the enemy, if the enemy is shrouded.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Create the syntax: AQUACAST WHIRLPOOL OFF. It would
 lower the whirlpool effect.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Always show the pull/push messages for whirlpool and
 currents regardless of shroud. In addition to this
 make it so that the mage always receives a message
 when currents moves someone, regardless of if they
 were moved into the mages room or not.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3:
Player Comments:
---[Zynna on 12/3 @ 13:20 writes]:
Support Solution 1 & 2
---[Enyalida on 12/3 @ 16:54 writes]:
Solution 1 only, please. Aquamancers don't need more powerful or flexible
battlefield control, with more than one effect that splits groups and great
movement hindering.
---[Lothringen on 12/3 @ 22:27 writes]:
Solution 1 only.
---[Rivius on 12/3 @ 23:00 writes]:
Not really sure why solution 1 can't be replicated by fiddling with enemy lists
or dampening the effect. What sort of strategy do you have in mind?
---[Enyalida on 12/3 @ 23:05 writes]:
@Rivius while demesne-dependant, it's not a 'demesne effect', and therefore it
can't be dampened.
---[Celina on 12/4 @ 01:20 writes]:
Solution 1 and 2 are good. Aquas definitely suffer from one of the least
effective melds out there. This would be a nice, small buff.
---[Rivius on 12/4 @ 02:49 writes]:
Ah, okay. Solution 1 supported then.
---[Rivius on 12/4 @ 12:22 writes]:
I don't see any issue with solution 2 or 3 either.
---[Shuyin on 12/4 @ 20:42 writes]:
I have no idea why anyone would ever oppose informative lines. Not knowing when
your skill worked is a pain in the ass, and there's almost always no balance
reason to oppose additional lines giving information. Solution 1 and 2 is fine.
---[Llandros on 12/4 @ 23:07 writes]:
Solution 1 only. There is nothing unique to whirlpool to justify solutiond 2 or
3 and buff it over any other form of forced movement, not to mention that all
mages have illusions which can be used to announce entry.
---[Lothringen on 12/5 @ 01:04 writes]:
Well, I assume you see non-shrouded people enter regardless, don't you? So this
would negate yesod/shadow shroud/whatever else, for everyone in the room. Seems
a bit training wheels, to me- you should have to pay attention to what's going
on around you and not have it all spoon fed, in my opinion. It's not hard to QL
or WHOS HERE, especially if you magic mouth.
---[Lothringen on 12/5 @ 01:04 writes]:
WHO HERE, too! Apparently it -is- hard...
---[Enyalida on 12/5 @ 01:38 writes]:
Solution 2 is alright if it shows a message in both the caster's room AND the
effected person's original room. See the arguments against nerfing shroud in the
yesod report for why shroud is important, let's not nullify it. Solution 3 would
be like making rad or empress offer no thirdperson message. Your group would be
getting sniped with absolutly no information. Using shroud is normally a
tradeoff: You hide your movements from your enemy AND ally BOTH. Solution 3
would penalize you for using your class defenses.
---[Celina on 12/5 @ 02:03 writes]:
Considering all you have to do is spam "who here," there is zero justification
to oppose a quality of life style change to aquas. Geeze, you people will oppose
anything. This is about as small of a change you can envoy. Solution one has my
full support in terms, after a brief explanation by Neos, in that as a melder
you don't always want to be dragging people into your room and a all or nothing
unenemy/enemy script isn't terribly fair. Solution just because aquas lag behind
the new melds and if making things simpler (read: not a buff) is fine by me.
---[Ushaara on 12/5 @ 22:54 writes]:
Supported.
---[Llandros on 12/6 @ 01:38 writes]:
Quality of life style change? They aren't asking for a custom emote or a new
guild mobile. This is asking for a distinct advantage over other forms of forced
movement with literally no justification given. But hey, some people will just
defend anything.
---[Enyalida on 12/6 @ 20:30 writes]:
For clarity's sake: Solutions 1-2 supported.
---[Lorina on 12/7 @ 02:30 writes]:
Whirlpool and currents already give messages in both the target room and the
---[Lorina on 12/7 @ 02:30 writes]:
*Whirlpool and currents already give messages in both the target room and the
end room. Also, rad is the only analogous skill, since whirlpool and currents
are passive effects we have no direct control over, and rads passive version
always shows a movement message, regardless of shroud.
---[Thoros on 12/7 @ 17:26 writes]:
Solution 1 and 2 supported.
---[Asmodea on 12/8 @ 07:51 writes]:
APPROVED.
---[Azula on 12/10 @ 02:06 writes]:
Supported
---[Aeden on 12/23 @ 18:31 writes]:
Solution 1