149627-variant-raid-costumes

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			I asked this on today's livestream, but was directed here. We've yet to receive confirmation that a variant warrior raid costume was/wasn't intended to be rewarded from Madame Faye on a recent update. The icons for the costume pieces shows a different unreleased costume. Personally, I find it absurd to make raid-gated costumes widely available for purchase, as they should be reward for actual raiders. Can we please get some comment on this? It's been a couple weeks now and I know I'm not the first to ask.	
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The stats are the big issue, no? 
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I asked this on today's livestream, but was directed here. We've yet to receive confirmation that a variant warrior raid costume was/wasn't intended to be rewarded from Madame Faye on a recent update. The icons for the costume pieces shows a different unreleased costume. Personally, I find it absurd to make raid-gated costumes widely available for purchase, as they should be reward for actual raiders. Can we please get some comment on this? It's been a couple weeks now and I know I'm not the first to ask.
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The Centurion Wing set looks nothing like stalker gear, either PvE or PvP. I have no idea where people get that idea. The medic costume, however, is a variant. My issue, as well as the issue for many others, is that raid costumes should be a reward for dedicating yourself to raids, a symbol of managing to earn the set through playing higher-difficulty content, rather than simply being able to obtain through throwing money at Carbine
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There are multiple upcoming raid variant costume pieces (including variants of the Medic and Stalker DS gear coming soon).
 
Why is the costume availability a big issue? The stats are the big issue, no? 
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And down the road that looks like that will be the case. Raid gear will just be skins that are used elsewhere too (at least if datamining is to be believed)
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			Yeah... Not particularly keen on this reusing of raid assets for costumes. In part, it devalues the hard work of players, and in another part, it's simply lazy. Rather than providing us with new and interesting costumes, they're going to just recolor existing ones? In a game with dye, recolors of gear mean nothing...	
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Oh look, disincentivizing content participation for money.  What could possibly go wrong?
 
The GA set -is- the motivation for me to run my medic through GA otherwise I'd be looking to focus on my esper.  The only thing about the cash-shop variant is that the chest piece has red lights (yuk).	
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Even if raid reskins weren't being added, gear creep would devalue the pieces (and already has to a pretty substantial extent). 
 
I can understand the sentiment, but we all saw this coming one way or another...	
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			Gear creep is an excellent argument for not releasing the models for these sets through other means.  Once the stats aren't useful, the graphics are the only value the sets have left.  Might as well leave some small element of value on the stuff, considering the effort required to obtain it.	
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Even if raid reskins weren't being added, gear creep would devalue the pieces (and already has to a pretty substantial extent).
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Gear creep makes these items more accessible. 
 
When the look themselves are the incentive to do the content, golly, it might encourage people to give it a shot.  Who knew?
 
Of course the new world order is whip out the wallet.  Then people complain they're bored.  Gee, how the heck did that happen?  Must not have enough gamble boxes to chase.
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 few months...
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And greater supply (or in this specific case, easier access) drives the value down. One way or another the gear is devaluing. I can see why this might be disheartening... but who's going to complain when we're getting a new raid with new raid gear in a few months...
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			Atleast you get your costume thru raiding. I had to sell my grandma's ashes to get few dollars to buy the parts.	
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			I don't raid, and I don't see any reason why I should be able to look like I do without doing the content myself. I don't think simply wanting a hard to get gear graphic is good enough reason to make it easily available. But, yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, my opinion, man. 	
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			Making raid gear into costumes seems like a bad idea :s Wouldn't that take away incentive to actually raid to get the gear? It makes it less special.	
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Well, you know, it would give access to these costumes to non-raiders and people who don't actually enjoy raiding but keep at it because of the carrots at the end. It does seem like it could damage the raid scene quite a bit. Though, if raiders are having enough fun in the raids and the cash-shop variant is only the skin, then raiders won't actually stop doing them, right? The character's power is still tied to raiding.
 
Nevertheless, I will say such a thing would be incredibly cheap and lazy. It's no different than when they offer a 'new mount' that just happens to be a reskinned woolie or whatever. They are not creating any new content, just changing the colors on something that already exists. I do have to wonder how much those reskins sell, though.
And the last thing I have to wonder is this: when is Carbine going to be done probing their playerbase to see what they can get away with in their monetization strategies? Because this smells like that: "Let's see if we can sell them items that are already in game but behind the HARDCORE! content!"	
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Pretty sure it'll be more than a few months. Regardless, it's pretty lazy to put recolors of existing gear on the store when you could just dye the gear in-game to get those recolors. xD
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			I guess it depends on your definition of "few". xD I usually think of that as 3. Anything more than that is "several"!	
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			Its kind of the reason WoW has changed the Mythic gear sets to look different from all other raids. But Wildstar really doesn't give a shit about what raiders want anymore so don't even bother complaining 	
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Its kind of the reason WoW has changed the Mythic gear sets to look different from all other raids. 
 
But Wildstar really doesn't give a shit about what raiders want anymore so don't even bother complaining 
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Making raid gear into costumes seems like a bad idea :s Wouldn't that take away incentive to actually raid to get the gear? It makes it less special.
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As a guildmate of mine has pointed out, when there was a bug with PVP season 2 costume skins, the pvpers lost their cupcakes and cried foul play at the top of their lungs. What did those PVP players use to say? "Carbine doesn't care about PVP anymore if they allowed a bug like this to happen. Imagine this happened in PVE with some raid costumes - we would never hear the end of it." Well, what do you know, Carbine went out of their way and just screwed over those people who actually invested some effort and time to get what they wanted. Now you can simply /makeitrain at either the fortune coins, or the auction house and your are all set up and classy without ever seeing Datascape even from a distance.
And here is the question, Carbine, how do you think this makes the raiders in your game feel?	
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Since you made the comparison and all I do is PvP, let me clarify.
Regarding the PvP costumes there have been 2 major issues (bugs) that will never be addressed by Carbine. First Warrior and Engineer sets got mixed in dyes and appearance (warr weapon matches engineer costume's colours and style, and the other way around. Both sets look more engineer like), 2nd bug has rewarded random players 2.2k pvp raiting giving them titles and costumes for litterally no effort (even fresh lv 50s), not even spending money in the shop.
 
I don't know if someone at Crabine capcaked on Madame Fay's costumes or they are supposed to look the same as raid gear, I think they were probably short on new models and decided to use raid's ones.
Now, I think that spending real money should give you unique models.
 
P.S.: PvP costumes that once used to be only available to high rated arena players can no be bought by farming Random BGs (pls que and farm them!).
			
				
	Edited February 14, 2016 by Weer	
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