117339-pvp-leaderboard-update

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Hello All,
 
In an effort to keep our standards high, and make sure we’re doing things the right way, we’re temporarily postponing PvP Leaderboards.
 
We’ve listened to your feedback; and when Leaderboards return, it is our goal that they will have their own dedicated webpage.  We’re also working on a system that will provide an automatic feed of current data that will have detailed stats, and will be totally interactive.
 
A draft version of this new Leaderboard is already being worked on.  By switching our bandwidth from the current operation to this new system, PvP Leaderboards will become what the community has always wanted them to be.	
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You could just copy/paste last week's leaderboard, it would be very accurate.
 
Now, while I like the idea of having a real leaderboard, the PvP community is really waiting for a statement regarding the future of PvP. 
 
Do we have a new PvP lead, what happened to the weekly Q&A, are we going to see some meaningful changes?	
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Hello All,
 
In an effort to keep our standards high, and make sure we’re doing things the right way, we’re temporarily postponing PvP Leaderboards.
 
We’ve listened to your feedback; and when Leaderboards return, it is our goal that they will have their own dedicated webpage.  We’re also working on a system that will provide an automatic feed of current data that will have detailed stats, and will be totally interactive.
 
A draft version of this new Leaderboard is already being worked on.  By switching our bandwidth from the current operation to this new system, PvP Leaderboards will become what the community has always wanted them to be.
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I hardly ever respond to Carbine posts but this one has topped the charts so badly that I can't let it go.
 
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Hello All,
 
In an effort to keep our standards high, and make sure we’re doing things the right way, we’re temporarily postponing PvP Leaderboards.
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The current leaderboard is useless. Why ? It's simple :
 
First : No RBG queue pop since 1-2 month / No Arenas 3v3 queue pop since 1 month or it's extremely rare / Only 2v2 is still possible / No comment 5v5 arena ... only wintrade.
Second : A lot of people in this leaderboard are stopped the game
Third : It's better to continue leaderboard AFTER reset rating because right now, it's just a wallpaper rememberring the good old days...
 
We see any change on the weekly ranking, it's the same.
 
So please, reset rating before you expect to release a new leaderboard.	
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Hello All,
 
In an effort to keep our standards high, and make sure we’re doing things the right way, we’re temporarily postponing PvP Leaderboards.
 
We’ve listened to your feedback; and when Leaderboards return, it is our goal that they will have their own dedicated webpage.  We’re also working on a system that will provide an automatic feed of current data that will have detailed stats, and will be totally interactive.
 
A draft version of this new Leaderboard is already being worked on.  By switching our bandwidth from the current operation to this new system, PvP Leaderboards will become what the community has always wanted them to be.
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It's time for positive reinforcement!
 
Good first step guys!  Let's keep those steps coming in the right direction!	
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It's time for positive reinforcement!
 
Good first step guys!  Let's keep those steps coming in the right direction!
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Except the feedback given in this thread is constructive. Might be sore to take, but if they are restructuring maybe they will finally listen to some good criticisms and actually give us this "awesome pvp" we were promised in all the dev speaks, the trailers, all through beta, all the excitement that led up to what we have now.
 
PvP is still fun, but the win trading, the hacking, the cheating, the rating tanks, all the exploits... it kind of ruins it a bit, and the leaderboards show every single one of the exploiters.	
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PvP is still fun, but the win trading, the hacking, the cheating, the rating tanks, all the exploits... it kind of ruins it a bit, and the leaderboards show every single one of the exploiters.
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Are you playing the same game? Go and have a look for yourself dude, some people wintraded their way up their, other are legit. I wasn't calling everyone out who is on the leaderboards (generally because quite a few of my friends are on there who worked damn hard to get there)
 
Or have you got a guilty conscience? Would explain your attitude.
 
EDIT: Also, why would I care if I'm on the leaderboards or not? I didn't even attempt to push ratings, I just played to have fun and I did. But seeing so many friends go through hell queueing up between 1300-1400mmr just to be stomped by rating tankers is not fun really, is it. There are people who got their place on that leaderboard unfairly, and whether you like it or not, they are there.	
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Or have you got a guilty conscience? Would explain your attitude.
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Let's just say that not everyone on the leaderboard is an exploiter, but a good lot of the players in 3s and 5s are.
 
I think the leaderboard was taken down because it was populated by players that stopped playing long ago.
There also seemed to be some problems with the name conversion displaying both old and new name.
 
It's just sad to see that they don't seem to have the capacity of copy/pasting the leaderboard on the homepage once a week WHILE working on an improved version.	
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			No offence tony, but website leaderboards where meant to be a temporary fix while they where being implimented in game. Now it seems like they are here to stay. When they are in the game and attached to more than just pvp, they will be in the state the "community has been asking for".	
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I kind of think they just went with something that was safe/easy to say "look we do care about pvp"
 
Making a leaderboard page is easy and wont break the game anymore than it already is unlike other pvp "fixes"
 
I think What the community is asking for more than anything is:
 
 Remove rating from gear (rating for cosmetics is great) Introduce all omni slots or make elemental flux available for prestige. Make BG's cross faction. Better queue times for everyone, and while there will be premades it will help balance BG's overall.  
 Do those 3 things you've reduced/eliminated gear gap, removed rng frustration, and improved queue times - your 3 biggest complaints. There are other issues that need worked on but those are the big three that need fixed ASAP.
 
Eventually you will have to start balancing classes for PvE  and PvP separately a fixall healing buff/reduction or all encompassing damage buff/reduction still leaves over performing classes at the top and the under performing at the bottom. 	
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Hello All,
 
In an effort to keep our standards high, and make sure we’re doing things the right way, we’re temporarily postponing PvP Leaderboards.
 
We’ve listened to your feedback; and when Leaderboards return, it is our goal that they will have their own dedicated webpage.  We’re also working on a system that will provide an automatic feed of current data that will have detailed stats, and will be totally interactive.
 
A draft version of this new Leaderboard is already being worked on.  By switching our bandwidth from the current operation to this new system, PvP Leaderboards will become what the community has always wanted them to be.
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Tony, do you even care about the players at all dude? You should probably talk to some of us that actually play the game.
 
You're really letting us down.	
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Tony, do you even care about the players at all dude? You should probably talk to some of us that actually play the game.
 
You're really letting us down.
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I am just going tho throw this out there, and you can take it as you wish.
 
Based on the type of responses you guys in the thread are giving, I wouldn't want to talk to you long enough to ask your opinion either.  Obviously the long rant posts calling everyone and their mother silly or the obvious disregard of respect are not working out for you...
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So if disabling leader boards is keeping your standards high...... then you're clearly blind. You have ignored the PVPer's and left this game for dead. There's no reason for me to login and play anymore.... Why should I waste my time on a game that's going to die sooner or later? Since the dev's can't make up their minds and screw everything up. 
 
It'd be nice to take care of the actual issues, and focus on getting drop 3 out (like it was supposed to be 2 months ago). Carbine is just delaying the inevitable of it's game dying off.
 
 
I'd just like to recopy this above quote as well..... if I had implemented a slogan and did not follow it... I'd be out of business too.
 
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I am just going tho throw this out there, and you can take it as you wish.
 
Based on the type of responses you guys in the thread are giving, I wouldn't want to talk to you long enough to ask your opinion either.  Obviously the long rant posts calling everyone and their mother silly or the obvious disregard of respect are not working out for you...
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Simply responding to absurdity in kind.
 
Guys, we gave them 6 months + of constructive feedback.  We designed / outlined systems, gave constructive feedback, and spoke to them as professionals.  This is where we're at, as they've disregarded all of those things.
 
You can call me / us names all you want, but it doesn't change the truth, regardless of how I / we deliver it.  They're FAILING MISERABLY at their jobs.  I'm sorry if we're tired of seeing our well-mannered posts ignored and this game spiral into an even worse state than at launch.  I'm sorry that we're seeing the same issues 6 months down the road with no clear acknowledgement / plans to fix them.
 
This is a VERY unprofessional gaming studio, and thus they will be treated like so.  Their community managers don't relay the proper messages.  Their developers disregard any useful feedback, they don't meet deadlines, and their product is failing miserably. 
 
So you say these guys should rant less about XX so they're more likely to have a conversation with, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  These are the guys that know the ins and outs of Wildstar PvP.  2 of the people with very negative feedback here are 2 of THE BEST players to consult for PvP matters. 
 
So I'll hear your advice to be nice to these guys so we don't hurt their feelings, but I'll say what's the point.  Being nice hasn't had anything done for 6 months and there's barely enough people to queue practice battlegrounds in primetime.  Being nice gets 0 responses / memes from the developers.   I'll take being truthful and being honest, in whatever manner of delivery, over politely saying they're doing a horrible job, anyday.
 
After all, the subs don't lie.  Courteous feedback is not the avenue to take with Carbine Studios, as they'll just let you down more and more.
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How do you know relay the messages?
 
With the layoffs and all the things happening right now, there isn't going to be much content that comes out for PvP. Their focus is getting drop 3 out and then most likely focusing on PvP.
 
Game has only been out for 5 months, carbine is going through restructuring, Drop 3 is coming.
 
If we don't see major changes after drop 3 for PvP then I will start making a bigger deal out of not seeing PvP changes.
 
My only guess is that the layoffs and restructure has been happening from drop 2, so everything is not moving forward right now till they get the devs in the correct places. All the feedback that we have been given is most likely being stalled because of the layoffs.
 
I am just as frustrated as you are, that doesn't give me the right to be a *cupcake*. The best call is to speak with your wallet and unsub till you see changes you like.
 
 
 
The devs are listening, feedback is being looked at. I know its frustrating just hang in there. Again speak with your wallet unsub and come back when you see things improving to where you are happy.
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I know you're new to the wildstar scene, and you think that you're "in the know" and "with it" since you do a little youtube channel about Wildstar.  You are the king of speculation.  Uneducated, uninformed speculation.  I've seen your youtube videos and its a total waste of time as you do nothing but regurgitate useless information.
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Comments like this is why people can't be bothered to read things that you type.  Your snide/back handed comments are not welcome by anyone, let alone a company like CRB.  I understand you and several others have given feedback, but you do not seem to realize that there are a million and 1 other aspects of the game that need tweaking as well.  I won't come here and say other aspects of the game are more important to CRB than PvP, because neither you or I know where PvP rates on their scale of importance.  Through what going on right now at NCSoft that is definitely affecting CRB directly, you need to just chill out and wait.  It is a new MMO and the suggestions you are asking for take MONTHSSSS of dev time and resources to pull off even if they didn't have other aspects of the game to work on (which obviously, they do).
 
Take a step back and realize they are listening, and your negative comments and banter are not warranted or wanted by anyone.  If you don't like it, then unsub until you see changes you like or find another way to positively reinforce your thoughts without coming across as a major D-bag.
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The suggestions we are asking for take very little time comparatively.   They're also direct responses to changes that weren't asked for and have made people leave in droves.  Keep in mind the scope of this particular post.  You guys are saying "bla bla bla things take time, be patient, can't change everytime," in a post where Carbine has announced that they're REMOVING leaderboards until they can be something worthwhile.    It's like they're entirely out of touch.  Which is the whole premise of this post.  Seriously guys, you will white knight every single thing that comes out of CRB if given the opportunity.
 
Don't make this about Eclips, make this about CRB, PvP Leaderboard Update, and just how well Carbine does at sticking to their word / listening to the playerbase.  
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So they are working on making PvP a little more engaging and want to do it correctly by implementing real time leaderboards, yet you are upset about it and are saying that CRB isn't doing anything at all with PvP at all.  I see.....
 
Normal people would look at it and be like "ALRIGHT!" CRB is at least looking PvP (regardless of what aspect of PvP it covers) and be excited at least something is being done rather than a "we will take a look at it 3 months down the road" response that you could have gotten.  They have a small team overall, and I assume anyone designated to work on anything PvP is SUPER small.  Can you imagine the pile of suggestions that a player base of thousands have sent in to a team of a handful of people to sort through and listen to, and then to test implementation on after designing it would take?  Because if you could, then you might start to understand why attitude and snide remarks won't get you anywhere with CRB let alone the community who want similar things.
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Eclips, you know I respect you a lot both as a player and a poster here on the forums. But carry on this way and you probably will end up silenced by carbine, not only for being mean to their representatives, generally being the king of lemons (i'm thinking bitter rather than salty, i know you still love the game deep down dude :p) but for being mean to other players. There is no need to completely rip apart someone you barely know on the forums even if you think his youtube channel is lame, his information is regurgitated and his opinions silly.
We're all frustrated, hell I'm angry. Look at what they've done to what was a pretty good pvp community EU side. It's been split down the middle, with no disregard of what it's doing to the remaining player base. But i really think you've made your statements pretty clear, and I know if you carry on you will end up getting a forum ban (And i for one wouldn't want that to happen, we need more people willing to give constructive feedback if they ever got round to fixing stuff).
 
So just... Walk it out dude. I know it's harder said than done, but right now we're all just going in circles and we're helpless to do anything a the moment /shrug	
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So they are working on making PvP a little more engaging and want to do it correctly by implementing real time leaderboards, yet you are upset about it and are saying that CRB isn't doing anything at all with PvP at all.  I see.....
 
Normal people would look at it and be like "ALRIGHT!" CRB is at least looking PvP (regardless of what aspect of PvP it covers) and be excited at least something is being done rather than a "we will take a look at it 3 months down the road" response that you could have gotten.  They have a small team overall, and I assume anyone designated to work on anything PvP is SUPER small.  Can you imagine the pile of suggestions that a player base of thousands have sent in to a team of a handful of people to sort through and listen to, and then to test implementation on after designing it would take?  Because if you could, then you might start to understand why attitude and snide remarks won't get you anywhere with CRB let alone the community who want similar things.
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It's been almost 2 months now, these are going to be some awesome leaderboards.
 
You guys have been busy fixing things like uncleansable snares, broken imbuements on PvP items, fixing gearscore so new people and raiders can actually PvP, and let's not forget about the 5's team display error that was pretty serious so i understand why it's taken so long.	
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			Dont worry, if you are hungry for leaderboards check out my post in the PvP forums. Unofficial leaderboards for US and EU	
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I don't think anyone actually cares about leaderboards.  That's kind of the point. They mean nothing, ESPECIALLY the unofficial ones on the forums.
 
Seryss was reviving yet another example of standard CRB actions or lack thereof.
 
... but hey friends, I'm the bad guy, remember?	
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I don't think anyone actually cares about leaderboards.  That's kind of the point. They mean nothing, ESPECIALLY the unofficial ones on the forums.
 
Seryss was reviving yet another example of standard CRB actions or lack thereof.
 
... but hey friends, I'm the bad guy, remember?
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looks like people care to me. othewise my leaderboards post would be dead.
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Personally I don't care much about leaderboards. They don't mean anything right now since there's at least one win trader or person that got carried without actually doing anything for every person that actually deserves to be there.
 
All I really care about is PvP being available. I've done a few Arena 5s, but setting them up is a pain in the butt because you have to arrange two teams that are balanced against each other, so gear and class discrepancy isn't a problem. That should never be a problem, you should be able to say "Okay Person 1 can heal Persons 2 - 5 are DPS and hybrid, let's queue up" and whoever you randomly go up against has zero chance of having gear significantly better than yours. And if they decide to be weird and have a team of Medics, you still have a 50/50 shot at winning, assuming both teams know how to PvP. That's not the way it is now. If your blue team gets matched against an all 1800s or raid gear team, your chances are much smaller. Same if you come against any team with a competent Medic or Warrior.
 
What I want to know is, what's going on with the plan Muffinman said was being worked on? The thing that would make PvP available to everyone, not just the wintraders and best of the best players, that would allow everyone to progress, albeit at different rates? Who even is the PvP lead now? What's going, we haven't heard anything in quite a while and even the most optimistic players like me are getting quite upset.	
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The thing that would make PvP available to everyone, not just the wintraders and best of the best players, that would allow everyone to progress, albeit at different rates? Who even is the PvP lead now? What's going, we haven't heard anything in quite a while and even the most optimistic players like me are getting quite upset.
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Consider Muffinman's plans as garbage. Timetravel and Meerkat have taken over. There are multiple threads in the PvP forums that they have given feedback in. Check out the "I'm the new ... owner", "Constructive Input" thread has a lot of replies, Ameliorating I think has some in there. And the Townhall thread states that they should have some decisions for us by January.
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Did they ever give a reason why they took the leaderboards down?
 
Couldn't they have worked on a new better leaderboard while still provided the... not so good one as a temporary thing?	
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Did they ever give a reason why they took the leaderboards down?
 
Couldn't they have worked on a new better leaderboard while still provided the... not so good one as a temporary thing?
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or make elemental flux available for prestige.
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