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From what I gathered, most people already forgot about that. People care about current issues, like balancing, attunement, raids, queues or PvP.
 
The gold exploit is already dead and buried. And I'm atually surprised that someone is still upset about that, from the forums I gathered that most were willing to look and see if things clear out later on. Since then there I saw no complaints about this.
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			That's an interesting tangent, but it has gone beyond off topic and I don't think this thread has an actual point anymore. All the horses are dead and thoroughly beaten now.	
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That's an interesting tangent, but it has gone beyond off topic and I don't think this thread has an actual point anymore. All the horses are dead and thoroughly beaten now.
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So, theres ideas in this thread that i think might be cool, but i just have no care for, like all the FFA talk.  i dont care if it happens, it wont impact me playing the game as i wont ever flag myself because that doesnt interest me, which is exactly what i do now.  however, what does interest me is being able to queue for dungeons and instanced PvP.  I personally think the game is fun and the dungeons are great (wish there were more).  If I leave this game, its because the queue times are so bad.
 
It is my perspective that if population is increased, more things will be able to be done in the game including lowering queue times.  That will keep a lot of people and add even more people.  Im on the fence right now of keeping subscription just because i dont like queueing then doing all my dailies then sitting in thayd for another 30 minutes before i get bored and log without a queue pop.  sooner or later ill get tired of that and just save myself the time and just not log in at all.
 
my question:  is there something that can be done outside of redesigning the game or implementing something that takes a lot of development time to increase population?	
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people really need to stop saying this. Unless of course you can actuallly produce a source for this information. The release of Wildstar was delayed at least once and Gaffney in an interview clearly stated they were never forced by NCsoft to release the game by a certain date. Carbine released the game when they were ready, when they felt the game was ready, Straight from the horses mouth they were not forced to release early. I am sure you can still find that interview floating around the internet.
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Why? The OP said that W* is in a good position, it was posited that it's really not because of the mishandling of the huge gold exploit and the fact that there are folks that would point to that if asked by a potential player about W*, thus keeping the thread completely on point.
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			B-b-but, they run faster than me on a mount and they have a couple more amps/ability points! I should be upset about it forever, that's the only option.	
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Like the 2-3 people in this thread that are still butthurt over a month old gold exploit that had no consequence in the end.  It almost seems like you guys are physically scarred for life after the incident, which has yet to be proven by anyone, to have had any actual effect on anything. Sometimes you just gotta move on with life. Accept things for how they are and just make sure it doesn't happen again. Clinging onto the past is beyond pointless and pathetic. 
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Like the 2-3 people in this thread that are still butthurt over a month old gold exploit that had no consequence in the end.  It almost seems like you guys are physically scarred for life after the incident, which has yet to be proven by anyone, to have had any actual effect on anything. Sometimes you just gotta move on with life. Accept things for how they are and just make sure it doesn't happen again. Clinging onto the past is beyond pointless and pathetic. 
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			FFXIV had policies? All I ever heard of was people getting banned for parsing (In a mmo that promised addons and hasn't delivered even yet from what I know). From what I've seen, they also never did anything to players that killed Twintania first using an exploit and it seemed relatively swept under the rug.Riot's tribunal was a mess for years and it only just started to recently crack down as well.If we wanna look back at what SE has done in general for all of its MMOs, I know they allowed people to exploit gil in it's first MMO (FFXI) and get away with it. No one's done a perfect job with handling exploits/exploiters that I've seen personally, and a few people with 3-4 more ability points/amps isn't going to ruin my day, I'll have them all topped off on every alt when drop 4 hits without spending a dime or any time doing rep as it is.  	
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Yes but free trials are long overdue. Plenty of people interested but struggle to get a key.
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How would you feel if other guilds just simply exploited their way to Avatus while you spent all of those hours doing it the right way? I imagine your stance on exploiters would be different.
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As relevant as it is for me, my stance on exploiters doesn't change whether it's economy or raiding. We all know by now the world first Earth/Air kill in Datascape was done by Codex who exploited it and well, it sucks, but like *cupcake*am I going to cling onto something that happened a while ago. I wanted to see all these exploiters banned, but in the end they got a warning and next time they'll get banned. Instead of bitching about it anytime I can, I just try to remind myself that I accomplish nothing but being salty in a thread. The best thing I can do is to not forget about these exploits and exploiters so that next time it happens (and it will) I will strike down with all my fury on either Carbine or the exploiters. But in the meantime I'll just focus on other stuff. 
 
And well bottomline, I wish people could just keep quiet about what happens in the past, but not forget about it either. If people go unpunished next time, I'll personally be amongst ya'll with these posts. 
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To us, it's not the first time.  As you said yourself, even you would come down with full fury.
 
So that's what people did, and you're telling us to let it go.
 
Perspective my friend.  This isn't the first exploit.
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I see some of you guys have completely missed my point >.> It was a chance for Carbine to show how they deal with exploiters, how they handle such chaos, and they did jump at the chance. Hopefully they improve is what I was getting at. 
 
I usually don't argue this topic because I just end up arguing with an exploiter defending an exploiter >.>	
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It ain't, but none have been as outright gamebreaking as that exploit. These kind of exploits that has the potential to destroy economies are very worrying and a big concern of mine, especially with how the Credd market works, and that's basically what I've been living off of these past 7 months. I definitely believe the severity of a exploit plays a factor, per example I honestly couldn't give 2 craps if people exploited Mordechai by jumping on a ledge to avoid his mechanics. The only people they are cheating are themselves since it's prolly 1 of the best dungeon encounters in any MMO, imo. It's a exploit no matter how you look at it, but with very little actual consequence to the game, but it has to be fixed of course, just like any other exploit. 
 
I've been playing and following what's been going on with Wildstar since OBT pretty much, so it's not that I don't know about the exploits out there, but some of them I frankly don't care all that much about. If I had to worry about any exploit ever exploited at this point I'd be bald. 
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From what I know at least Discharge & Quick Burst abusers were banned because it involved a script/macro of sorts. Didn't look too much into it since I'm not all that interested in exploiting the game personally. These I could agree with deserved perhaps a permaban, but it's not unusual for companies to resort to temp bans as warnings instead of outright permabanning accounts. Unfortunately they said they didn't want to ban the people who abused Charged shot bug since they could end up banning innocent accounts etc, but personally I knew of scumbags in my old guild who abused the bug, and I would not mind seeing his ass banned. 
 
Third point is a bit problematic because it's a design flaw within the system and more so Carbine's is at fault for this and win trading, which is another well known exploit, although that's a pretty broad problem within MMO's with the traditional kind of arena system. 	
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People are only looking at Frans suggestion as a PvP suggestion, when infact it is also needed for PvE and server population sake.
 
Saying this isn't the problem with the game because you're unable to find queues for dungeons/battlegrounds is completely missing the point... The idea is to have Exiles and Dominion play together, against the strain or what have you, up to pappy with the lore... That will double your chances to get dungeon/bg queues and will significantly increase our recruitment pool for raiding... This is not just a PvP thing.
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From what I know at least Discharge & Quick Burst abusers were banned because it involved a script/macro of sorts. Didn't look too much into it since I'm not all that interested in exploiting the game personally. These I could agree with deserved perhaps a permaban, but it's not unusual for companies to resort to temp bans as warnings instead of outright permabanning accounts. Unfortunately they said they didn't want to ban the people who abused Charged shot bug since they could end up banning innocent accounts etc, but personally I knew of scumbags in my old guild who abused the bug, and I would not mind seeing his ass banned. 
 
Third point is a bit problematic because it's a design flaw within the system and more so Carbine's is at fault for this and win trading, which is another well known exploit, although that's a pretty broad problem within MMO's with the traditional kind of arena system. 
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@plasma, seems i cant quote you for some reason.
 
As im no expert in programming and whatnot, all i know is that RIFT did it, and it was glorious :D (not the open world pvp part they havent done that, but the mixed bgs and guilds/raids).
 
It significantly helped with population issues and it was fun teaming up with previous enemies and fighting previous allies and whatnot.	
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I cant comment on the launch but in comparison to the horrific launch/state of titles like ArcheAge then Wildstars must have been a picnic, its hard to point a finger at what is actually wrong but the tumbleweed/ghost town effect needs attention urgently or you could all be taking an early bath on this one im afraid :(
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			I have to agree, I never - played nor cared for WoW, but the MMO community is definitely in a awkward position with not really anything new coming up, W* is definitely going to benefit.	
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Like the 2-3 people in this thread that are still butthurt over a month old gold exploit that had no consequence in the end.  It almost seems like you guys are physically scarred for life after the incident, which has yet to be proven by anyone, to have had any actual effect on anything. Sometimes you just gotta move on with life. Accept things for how they are and just make sure it doesn't happen again. Clinging onto the past is beyond pointless and pathetic. 
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You can go ahead and carry that mentality, "You're wrong and I'm right." But it's not gonna bring back the subs and players that have stopped logging in over being upset over an exploit being used by the player base and Carbine's lack of, 'professionalism.' Sure there are only 2-3 people in this thread upset with this issue but we're not everyone, not everyone hangs out in the forums, not everyone clicks on this thread, not everyone will respond to someone belittling them. As Eclips has mentioned the PvP community suffered A LOT with this, and we all know where the PvP community stands as of now. If you're gonna carry this mentality do you really expect the future to change? I will continue to bring this issue up as to prevent it from happening, letting Carbine know that if they continue handling exploits this poorly, PvP won't be the only dead thing in this game.
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