109479-hardcore-guild-disbanded-what-do

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I'm not one for long, whiney posts; so I'll get right to it.
 
My guild basically disbanded over the weekend.
 
Here's what happened: two people left to join one of the top hardcore progression guilds out there. That's reasonable. ~12 people quit because they're switching back to that other MMO. Fine, that was a lot of people's plan to begin with when they bought Wildstar. The majority of the raiding group? Bored and wanting to do anything else but play the game.
 
I love Wildstar. It's a fun game with a quirky attitude. However, when your hardcore raiding guild with an active roster of 55+ people (two GA groups plus bench) just up and falls apart it's tough to stay motivated to remain in-game.
 
My options are (at least from what I can see):
- Apply to another hardcore guild that just happens to have a schedule I can work with. They, being the only other guild actually downing content, probably have tons of apps from people much more dedicated and available than me (job, responsibilities, etc)
- Transfer servers to try and find a raiding guild (hardcore or otherwise)
- Focus on PvP (insert obligatory "what pvp?" here)
- Quit for the time being and hope that content gets added which draws everyone back
 
Has anyone had a similar experience? What have you done to keep yourself here? What would be your suggestion to continue to have fun (or remain sane) in Wildstar?	
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I'm not one for long, whiney posts; so I'll get right to it.
 
My guild basically disbanded over the weekend.
 
Here's what happened: two people left to join one of the top hardcore progression guilds out there. That's reasonable. ~12 people quit because they're switching back to that other MMO. Fine, that was a lot of people's plan to begin with when they bought Wildstar. The majority of the raiding group? Bored and wanting to do anything else but play the game.
 
I love Wildstar. It's a fun game with a quirky attitude. However, when your hardcore raiding guild with an active roster of 55+ people (two GA groups plus bench) just up and falls apart it's tough to stay motivated to remain in-game.
 
My options are (at least from what I can see):
- Apply to another hardcore guild that just happens to have a schedule I can work with. They, being the only other guild actually downing content, probably have tons of apps from people much more dedicated and available than me (job, responsibilities, etc)
- Transfer servers to try and find a raiding guild (hardcore or otherwise)
- Focus on PvP (insert obligatory "what pvp?" here)
- Quit for the time being and hope that content gets added which draws everyone back
 
Has anyone had a similar experience? What have you done to keep yourself here? What would be your suggestion to continue to have fun (or remain sane) in Wildstar?
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			Same here, my server is myrcalus theres barely 2-3 decend guilds that already raiding. personally i stopped playing as much ias i used because i just couldnt bare the atun grind, comb ine that with the fact that i changed 4 guilds and all of them died eventually and you can see why theres no reason to play currently	
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I RP, roll alts, and run small group content when I'm on my own. I imagine that raiding hardcore would kill after a while. I did 4 nights a week raiding in vanilla WoW and burned out of the raiding scene. Definitely not doing that again in Wildstar; it's even more brutal as far as sheer difficulty and coordination goes.
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Has anyone had a similar experience? What have you done to keep yourself here? What would be your suggestion to continue to have fun (or remain sane) in Wildstar?
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all you guys seem to have funny guilds. that other one guys complained about gild disband after gleader left... one person - sure, position of more value, but nobody to take the spot?
then you here lose ~15 out of 55+ ppl and the guild falls apart?
 
you guys must have a funny invite policy. "LFM for guild, be 50, else doesnt matter, whisper for invite!" ?
 
i am sorry for your loss i guess, but it is hard for me to understand for what reason a +40 member guild needs to disband, if not for a lackluster guild concept.	
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Casual :-P. Raided 6 nights in ddo with guild, one night and a couple afternoons with pugs.
 
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OP, you already listed your options. Are you burnt out on the 5man content from attunement?
I'm not sure waiting for guildies to come back is a good plan.
My gw2 guildies are still there, the guild is always there when I log. My pso2 guildies, same. We left Tera, but the Tera guild is still there going. Other games the guilds quit the game and they never came back. Same if guildies leave due to drama, never seen them come back.
It's a very small chance.
 
If you want raiding, best bet is to go shopping. Many guilds complaint that getting another 20 for the 40man is tough. You won't know until you try.
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all you guys seem to have funny guilds. that other one guys complained about gild disband after gleader left... one person - sure, position of more value, but nobody to take the spot?
then you here lose ~15 out of 55+ ppl and the guild falls apart?
 
you guys must have a funny invite policy. "LFM for guild, be 50, else doesnt matter, whisper for invite!" ?
 
i am sorry for your loss i guess, but it is hard for me to understand for what reason a +40 member guild needs to disband, if not for a lackluster guild concept.
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Looks like the return of guild poaching, just like back in the day in WoWs burning crusade.  Ah, that was so 'hard core' back then.
 
I see no reason why they didn't have 10 man raids as an option.  You can make them just as challenging as 20 or 40 mans.	
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all you guys seem to have funny guilds. that other one guys complained about gild disband after gleader left... one person - sure, position of more value, but nobody to take the spot?
then you here lose ~15 out of 55+ ppl and the guild falls apart?
 
you guys must have a funny invite policy. "LFM for guild, be 50, else doesnt matter, whisper for invite!" ?
 
i am sorry for your loss i guess, but it is hard for me to understand for what reason a +40 member guild needs to disband, if not for a lackluster guild concept.
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Looks like the return of guild poaching, just like back in the day in WoWs burning crusade.  Ah, that was so 'hard core' back then.
 
I see no reason why they didn't have 10 man raids as an option.  You can make them just as challenging as 20 or 40 mans.
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I'm not that casual. Before WoW raiding, I was in a FFXI HNMLS.
 
Yep.... I did that.....
 
Ever waited six hours just to tag Lizzy for a set of boots? I did.
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You're a masochist.
Two years clockwork every three days raid (guild, pug, however but had to be done!) for a necklace. Damn you Torc.
 
Or killing the same special mob, reset map, walk back, oops mob not here, repeat, oh mob is up, kill, time thousands of times... For one item. Didn't get it in three years, and it would have just started the even more futile task of getting the other three pieces.
 
I don't know if camping one spot for 6 hours is harder than walking the same path from map entrance to mob over and over again. Oh and back then resetting a map meant shenanigans inviting your friend to party while inside, kicking them, getting out, etc.
 
I swear some stuff was like 0.000000000001% or something.
 
Ring of spell storing was almost like a fairytale. Lol I don't think I knew someone who had the base and they'd been farming for five years.
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I'm not one for long, whiney posts; so I'll get right to it.
 
My guild basically disbanded over the weekend.
 
Here's what happened: two people left to join one of the top hardcore progression guilds out there. That's reasonable. ~12 people quit because they're switching back to that other MMO. Fine, that was a lot of people's plan to begin with when they bought Wildstar. The majority of the raiding group? Bored and wanting to do anything else but play the game.
 
I love Wildstar. It's a fun game with a quirky attitude. However, when your hardcore raiding guild with an active roster of 55+ people (two GA groups plus bench) just up and falls apart it's tough to stay motivated to remain in-game.
 
My options are (at least from what I can see):
- Apply to another hardcore guild that just happens to have a schedule I can work with. They, being the only other guild actually downing content, probably have tons of apps from people much more dedicated and available than me (job, responsibilities, etc)
- Transfer servers to try and find a raiding guild (hardcore or otherwise)
- Focus on PvP (insert obligatory "what pvp?" here)
- Quit for the time being and hope that content gets added which draws everyone back
 
Has anyone had a similar experience? What have you done to keep yourself here? What would be your suggestion to continue to have fun (or remain sane) in Wildstar?
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			Attrition has hit a lot of guild hard across the board, hardcore and semi-hardcore alike. This game just isn't for everyone and that's ok. My guild recently merged with another similar guild on Pago and so far things are going swimmingly. :)	
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Attrition has hit a lot of guild hard across the board, hardcore and semi-hardcore alike. This game just isn't for everyone and that's ok. My guild recently merged with another similar guild on Pago and so far things are going swimmingly. :)
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Ya oven told me last night you guys were disbanding, sad to say.
 
Digital Impulse is disbandign as well, so its pretty disappointing to see two guilds that both had 2 20mans each and players with 3-4 GA bosses down both collapsing at the same time on the same server.   I'm sure something could come of the two if people tried.
 
In regards to "Apply to another hardcore guild that just happens to have a schedule I can work with. They, being the only other guild actually downing content, probably have tons of apps from people much more dedicated and available than me (job, responsibilities, etc)"   The two players you are talking about that came from your guild were our first apps in almost 2 weeks.  no joke.   People think we get a ton of apps since we are one of the top exile guilds, but for some reason we really never do.   I'm sure right now we will get some apps from DI and dissident but generally our app pool has been fairly small.   I think everyone wants to go to the #1 guild (enigma), or the big name guild (DnT).
 
 
 
Pago - Exile
 
Dissident and DI both had officers quit/retire/leave or something this weekend i guess.
 
I'd really like to see something come from the ashes of that since there were a ton of players between the 80ish people that probably still want to raid.
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What faction and server are you?
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Oh damn Dissident and DI both blew up? Crazytown. Hopefully they'll be able to piece something together from the ashes!
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Ya oven told me last night you guys were disbanding, sad to say.
 
Digital Impulse is disbandign as well, so its pretty disappointing to see two guilds that both had 2 20mans each and players with 3-4 GA bosses down both collapsing at the same time on the same server.   I'm sure something could come of the two if people tried.
 
In regards to "Apply to another hardcore guild that just happens to have a schedule I can work with. They, being the only other guild actually downing content, probably have tons of apps from people much more dedicated and available than me (job, responsibilities, etc)"   The two players you are talking about that came from your guild were our first apps in almost 2 weeks.  no joke.   People think we get a ton of apps since we are one of the top exile guilds, but for some reason we really never do.   I'm sure right now we will get some apps from DI and dissident but generally our app pool has been fairly small.   I think everyone wants to go to the #1 guild (enigma), or the big name guild (DnT).
 
 
 
Pago - Exile
 
Dissident and DI both had officers quit/retire/leave or something this weekend i guess.
 
I'd really like to see something come from the ashes of that since there were a ton of players between the 80ish people that probably still want to raid.  I'd love to help out but my raid schedule fills my weekdays pretty much.
 
If Dissident/DI people are around this saturday afternoon, I'm looking to run a Public/Alt 20man and need more people
 
That being said, we are accepting top players that can achieve 90% attendance, 5 days a week, 4 hours a day =p
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Yes.
 
I took a week off Wildstar to play other games and when i logged back in, everyone that was attuned and ready for raiding had left to join the leading raid guild on server (to fall into their 3rd 20man team? One guild to rule them all!)
 
Heaps of guilds are folding/merging and pooling together to get raids happening and stay happening.
 
You don't want to hear my suggestion as i'm quite biased right now haha.
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Pago - Exile. It looks like you're part of a guild that just merged with another guild and downed X-89 for the first time?
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Oh yeah, FFXI is the reason I thought Wildstar wasn't very grindy, I think.  It's the only reason I can come up with.  Needing to put together a pug to grind mobs JUST TO LEVEL UP?  And if you die, you LOSE EXPERIENCE!  And if you drop to zero experience for your level, you LOSE YOUR LEVEL!  So, when you are in a high end LS, you need to constantly be going out with a 5 man to farm mobs so that you have an experience buffer, because if you wipe in a fight (some of which took an hour or more), you need to make sure you don't delevel, or you'd be useless.
 
And that game's still around and profitable...
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I am going to propose a radical solution for you.  Quit joining guilds that just game hop when a new games come out knowing all the time they are planning on going back to Warcraft. 
 
Pretty amazing when a guild calls themselves hardcore yet return to the easiest raiding content in the mmo universe.	
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Vic... you don't even know... 300 kills of that stupid lizard and no Leaping Boots :(
 
Finally got a pair of the BoP version after the nerf / update.... but not once in 300 kills over 2 years did I get those damned boots...
 
Also, I don't think most folks around here can truly appreciate the 'Hardcore' that was HNM's in FFXI.... or a real atunement process (OG sea access? LoL have fun running CoP quests for a month or two).
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Hey all,
 
I'm the (soon to be former GM) of DI and our officers officially decided to throw in the towel last night. As far as I know the guild will live on through some of the other members but we're trying to determine the leadership now. As a gaming community we will still be around, TS active, website up so I think we could probably extend an invite to remnants of Dissident and others on the Pago server to use our home as a place to assemble raiders. I'm not sure what happened ot the actual guild of Dissident so if you guys don't have control of it and want a place with all the guild perks and bank tabs and stuff you are welcome to join up with DI.
 
Quietmode and other Voodoo members have always been trying to help out the lesser known guilds of Pago and for that I want to extend a huge thanks. I hope that people can make something work with what's left and if there is anything we can do from the outside to help that we will. For those that are interested, Spread the word around Pago, DI could be a landing spot for all of those who need a home.
Our website is in my sig and the TS links off of that. Stop by anytime and look for me or send me a message on enjin. I have no problem tryng to help facilitate you all into one place so you can enjoy the game!
 
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There are some guilds that are looking for more players that are currently raiding, they might not be as far along as those 2 guilds but still they are raiding. 
 
My guild <Darkhand> Has just started raiding. We have been in there for 1 week so far (3 nights total with a reset in the middle). We are already taking pulls on Kuralak. I suspect we will progress somewhat quickly even with the late raid start. The question is do you want to go through a little bit of learning with other guilds. 
 
Also playing with people you like helps games be more fun, so find some friends and enjoy the game and progress.	
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We didn't get to keep the boots.  Had to sell them.  Because that's how we paid the bills. :(
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I am going to propose a radical solution for you.  Quit joining guilds that just game hop when a new games come out knowing all the time they are planning on going back to Warcraft. 
 
Pretty amazing when a guild calls themselves hardcore yet return to the easiest raiding content in the mmo universe.
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Was always fun camping against the japanese until SE decided to add a small delay until when a mob was able to be claimed :P
 
But yeah camping and selling stuff the joy of being too lazy to craft and playing jobs who leak gil every time they take a swing at a mob. ~Hardcore~ :>
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Fixed it for ya :D
 
Could you imagine the Ninja item-> ability mechanics in W*..... 
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I would have loved that. FFXI Ninja is still the most fun tank class I have ever played in any mmo. (looks at the new ninja class in FFXIV .....FU SE! ;_; )
 
*sorry Op for being off topic here :/ *
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Hey all,
 
I'm the (soon to be former GM) of DI and our officers officially decided to throw in the towel last night. As far as I know the guild will live on through some of the other members but we're trying to determine the leadership now. As a gaming community we will still be around, TS active, website up so I think we could probably extend an invite to remnants of Dissident and others on the Pago server to use our home as a place to assemble raiders. I'm not sure what happened ot the actual guild of Dissident so if you guys don't have control of it and want a place with all the guild perks and bank tabs and stuff you are welcome to join up with DI.
 
Quietmode and other Voodoo members have always been trying to help out the lesser known guilds of Pago and for that I want to extend a huge thanks. I hope that people can make something work with what's left and if there is anything we can do from the outside to help that we will. For those that are interested, Spread the word around Pago, DI could be a landing spot for all of those who need a home.
Our website is in my sig and the TS links off of that. Stop by anytime and look for me or send me a message on enjin. I have no problem tryng to help facilitate you all into one place so you can enjoy the game!
 
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I can't speak for Dissident but I know our guild was built for Wildstar. Our only intent was to play Wildstar. And to be honest the game let us down. I'm not going to bother going into why, because the issues are pretty well documented. That being said, if this game kicked ass I am willing to bet that Dissident as well would have considered staying but the game (in the opinion of some Dissident and DI players) doesn't kick ass
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			Seems to me that the old standard End Game system is winning in the end. All of the issues that current raiders are facing could have been solved if a larger raiding pool existed. Yep. That was a thinly veiled criticism of the Attunement:)	
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In regards to "Apply to another hardcore guild that just happens to have a schedule I can work with. They, being the only other guild actually downing content, probably have tons of apps from people much more dedicated and available than me (job, responsibilities, etc)"   The two players you are talking about that came from your guild were our first apps in almost 2 weeks.  no joke.   People think we get a ton of apps since we are one of the top exile guilds, but for some reason we really never do.   I'm sure right now we will get some apps from DI and dissident but generally our app pool has been fairly small.   I think everyone wants to go to the #1 guild (enigma), or the big name guild (DnT).
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It may be best to move this topic of discussion to our server forum.  Some sort of rough "merge" with dissident and DI players could be in order, but it really depends on what kind of dedicated leadership core can be developed
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So you built a guild of players that have never played mmos before to just play Wildstar.  That doesn't work well either.
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Where did you get that from? We were group of experienced, accomplished mmo players who created a guild who's sole purpose was Wildstar. We have world first players among us and many other notable achievements from WoW and other games. We went full bore at WIldstar and gave it our undivided attention for as long as we could stomach. The game failed us, not the other way around. You can stop with the witch hunt now.
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I don't think it's fair to say that the game itself "failed" you. It may not have been what you and your group was lookign for, but for many of us it's exactly what we're looking for. Different strokes for different folks.
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			Those are fair assessments, but I've seen enough to be encouraged that it'll get better. The Rune thread in particular has given me a lot of hope. I kind of look at all these issues, and they're serious ones no doubt, and remind myself that this game is in its infancy.	
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			I'm curious how many of these guys were yelling "#Hardcore!!!" early on. Sometimes it's smarter to fight alongside the Nays. I will say that I saw 1 Enigma person post concerns about the Attunement and what it might do and how it was hurting the pool. That should have raised Carbine's brows a bit. Also, the thought that you are not raiding for a loot is a lie. We all want loot. Good loot. There's a reason all of the top guilds hangout at the Spaceport ad it's not because they are playing Econ. ;) . When I kill a Raid Boss I want loot that's pretty much Guaranteed to be Sexy. RNG is fine in Dungeons, crafting ect. It's not for End Game. Bragging Rights are 1st but loot is 1A. There's a reason people still try to put together Thunderfurys in 2014 lol	
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I can't speak for Dissident but I know our guild was built for Wildstar. Our only intent was to play Wildstar. And to be honest the game let us down. I'm not going to bother going into why, because the issues are pretty well documented. That being said, if this game kicked ass I am willing to bet that Dissident as well would have considered staying but the game (in the opinion of some Dissident and DI players) doesn't kick ass
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