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			So I just hit level 50 yesterday, I'm super pumped!  Or so I thought.  So I try my first few endgame things and each time I run into really rude people who go off on me for getting hit by 1 thing or dying once.  I'm in no way the best playing in the world but I legitimately try to avoid telegraphs and be all around good player.  But these people think that I'm just the scum of nexus who cant fight my way past anything.  If this is how the community of Wildstar's endgame is, I'm not sure I want to be apart of a bunch of stuck up elitists.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be that guy who QQs about the game being to hard or not accepting enough of casuals.  I genuinely like the way the game is and want to play it, it's just the people I'm not sure I care for.  I'm probably going to be told to go back to WoW or something of that nature...Maybe that will just confirm it for me.  Anyway enough ranting, that's just my thoughts.  Thanks for reading!  Hope you all are enjoying Wildstar!  	
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Tough break bud, upside is you will learn from these experiences .: making less mistakes in future for which to be scrutinised upon.
Also being in a guild with likeminded individuals in a similar situation can make the ordeal less hostile, unless your guilds are also jerks, which means you're probably in  the wrong guild.	
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try and try again, until you are good enough, things like that happen in every team based online game, not much you can do about it at this point, endure it and try to improve
other than that, join a guild or find a circle, try to be positive/leading, not everyone is *cupcake*,but there are plenty of those	
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So I just hit level 50 yesterday, I'm super pumped!  Or so I thought.  So I try my first few endgame things and each time I run into really rude people who go off on me for getting hit by 1 thing or dying once.  I'm in no way the best playing in the world but I legitimately try to avoid telegraphs and be all around good player.  But these people think that I'm just the scum of nexus who cant fight my way past anything.  If this is how the community of Wildstar's endgame is, I'm not sure I want to be apart of a bunch of stuck up elitists.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be that guy who QQs about the game being to hard or not accepting enough of casuals.  I genuinely like the way the game is and want to play it, it's just the people I'm not sure I care for.  I'm probably going to be told to go back to WoW or something of that nature...Maybe that will just confirm it for me.  Anyway enough ranting, that's just my thoughts.  Thanks for reading!  Hope you all are enjoying Wildstar!  
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Devils advocate here but: are you trying to do veterans in all questing greens or did you take some time after hitting 50 to prepare yourself a set of good crafted gear so as to be prepared for veteran content?
 
And have you run all those veterans on normal so as to understand the general layout and strategies before veteran?	
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			PvPers seem to be less offensive than trying to do pug PvE here and that's sayin sumthing cus PvPers are notoriously uber toxic across all games that has it.	
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			I've had bad experiences in every MMO I've played, rude and impatient players are everywhere and sadly those are the ones that stand out the most since they are more loud.	
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Tough break. :( Many players seem to forget that everyone starts somewhere, and that somewhere is usually clueless.
 
Best advice? Seek a PvE guild if you haven't already or inquire about PvE circles. Dominion side on Evindra (Relatively low pop) has 2 active circles and a number of active guilds.
 
It is my opinion that some of the playerbase has recognized the pugging toxicity and taken steps to avoid it with the tools given to them. At this point, it may be fair to say that some people in the MMORPG community get some cathartic release from yelling at random puggers. =\	
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So I just hit level 50 yesterday, I'm super pumped!  Or so I thought.  So I try my first few endgame things and each time I run into really rude people who go off on me for getting hit by 1 thing or dying once.  I'm in no way the best playing in the world but I legitimately try to avoid telegraphs and be all around good player.  But these people think that I'm just the scum of nexus who cant fight my way past anything.  If this is how the community of Wildstar's endgame is, I'm not sure I want to be apart of a bunch of stuck up elitists.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be that guy who QQs about the game being to hard or not accepting enough of casuals.  I genuinely like the way the game is and want to play it, it's just the people I'm not sure I care for.  I'm probably going to be told to go back to WoW or something of that nature...Maybe that will just confirm it for me.  Anyway enough ranting, that's just my thoughts.  Thanks for reading!  Hope you all are enjoying Wildstar!  
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I'm not sure I want to be apart of a bunch of stuck up elitists.
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			Just gotta find the right group of people, every game has trash. Good luck.	
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This hasn't been my experience at all.  (I am pretty amazing) I have not had any bad pugs yet (out of 30 or so).  I'm tired of bad players complaining when they're told how they played bad.
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Eh.... am I the only one confused by this?  No offense, but the WoW community as a whole is probably the biggest steaming pile of crap in gaming.  If you can tough it out long enough there to make friends and find people that aren't the scum of the earth, then I'm sure if you stick with Wildstar you'll find people worth playing with as well.
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Eh.... am I the only one confused by this?  No offense, but the WoW community as a whole is probably the biggest steaming pile of crap in gaming.  If you can tough it out long enough there to make friends and find people that aren't the scum of the earth, then I'm sure if you stick with Wildstar you'll find people worth playing with as well.
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			Join a guild of good people, who not only know how to play and can help you along the way, but who also aren't elitist pricks who think they're better than everyone else. If you're on Orias (Exile) or Evindra (Dom) I can recommend a nice guild for ya.	
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Join a guild of good people, who not only know how to play and can help you along the way, but who also aren't elitist pricks who think they're better than everyone else. If you're on Orias (Exile) or Evindra (Dom) I can recommend a nice guild for ya.
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Don't know why people act like each game has a different community, it's all the same. Whether it's WoW, Rift, Wildstar or whatever, there's just as many douchebags/elitists in every game.
 
The solution is the same in every game as well: either find a guild/group of people that you're comfortable with, suck it up, or quit.
 
If you're actually putting effort in, and not making yourself look dumb, then 90% of the time no one is going to care or comment. However, for example, if we're in a Walatiki match, and only a handful of us are at the mask spawn while the other half of the team is derping around somewhere, I'll be the first person to call people out. Same goes for PvE.	
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I dunno about Rift, I was on last night and a bunch of random people invited me to farm level 60 hunt's I was level 51... Honestly I don't think I've ever come across any complete douchebags in rift..
 
the forums might be different, but in game.. was always fun.	
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I dunno about Rift, I was on last night and a bunch of random people invited me to farm level 60 hunt's I was level 51... Honestly I don't think I've ever come across any complete douchebags in rift..
 
the forums might be different, but in game.. was always fun.
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I dunno about Rift, I was on last night and a bunch of random people invited me to farm level 60 hunt's I was level 51... Honestly I don't think I've ever come across any complete douchebags in rift..
 
the forums might be different, but in game.. was always fun.
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Don't know why people act like each game has a different community, it's all the same. 
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Devils advocate here but: are you trying to do veterans in all questing greens or did you take some time after hitting 50 to prepare yourself a set of good crafted gear so as to be prepared for veteran content?
 
And have you run all those veterans on normal so as to understand the general layout and strategies before veteran?
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You were obviously never a part of the City of Heroes community. I was, for over 7 years, and that was the friendliest, most close knit group of people I have ever seen in any game. If other players were in trouble, they helped; if a player passed away (and there were several) they held in-game tributes; if anyone needed anything the community did their best to band together and help. 
 
You will never find another community as good as the one from CoH. 
 
Yeah, it had it's share of bad apples, they all do, but... you know... I can only recall 2 of them by name. And that's after 7 years of play. This game... frak me; I have about 30 forumites on ignore right now; 12 of them got there within the headstart period. I've been MMOing for 10 years +, no, I have not touched WoW, but this community is very full of toxicity, very much so. I can easily name, at this point in time, about 50 players that are known troublemakers and/or jerks, and this is barely after 2 months have gone by. 
 
Yeah, no, sorry; as much as there are some good people here, this community is pretty toxic as a whole. 15 - 25 good people don't make an awesome community,
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The MMO community was much different during CoH's time than it is now. It's never been the same since WoW.
 
Game's like Shadowbane, CoH, SWG, DAoC all had much better communities - they were also older games, when MMOs were more of a "niche" market, and before WoW's time.
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There is less "pressure" in wow dungeons. People don't normally quit wow dungeons after 1 wipe. Wildstar's system encourages the type of behavior you see. Humans are humans. There is no difference between us and wow players, etc. A company creates the rules and system in which players express themselves in.
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People don't quit WoW dungeons after 1 wipe?  Something must have changed drastically in the past year, because that was not the case when I played.  You had about a 50/50.  Also, 9 times out of 10 no one replied to any chat in LFG finder groups, even if you were asking how a new fight went.  You are right, the pressure in WoW doesn't come from the game mechanics.  It comes from the crappy community.
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The MMO community was much different during CoH's time than it is now. It's never been the same since WoW.
 
Game's like Shadowbane, CoH, SWG, DAoC all had much better communities - they were also older games, when MMOs were more of a "niche" market, and before WoW's time.
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I don't know what to tell you. I've played wow since release (aside from a few breaks) on several different servers, and dungeons, aside from a few new releases (wotlk dungeons), people just don't throw as many tizzies. The dungeons don't make most groups that frustrated; so quitting just doesn't seem like a normal occurance. But yes, people are always going to quit early in games if it;'s not going there way. The difference in wildstar, the entire group is punished if a person quits and the entire experience becomes less worthwhile, despite how much "skill" or talent any of the individuals may have.
 
Wildstar's medal system is garbage, and a lot of people share this opinion, "casuals" and "hardcores" alike. It encourages a lot of the bad behavior, because people just don't give a crap about other people. You don't see a face, so your emotional investment is about as much as you would have for an NPC. The MMO sociopath; elitist pricks.
 
Quitting and leaving, etc, seems much more frequent in WS simply due to the Medal/Timer design system. Because without silver or gold, most dungeons/adventures don't seem to be worth people's time. It's the system that encourages the quitting.
 
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I had a Vet STL disband because the group argued with the tank about wall jumping to bypass trash to StormTalon vs clearing it.
 
Tank couldn't make the jump, tried twice, got annoyed, told them to come down and clear trash, they mocked him for poor jumping skills, he quit group, and so it spiralled.
 
The timer has to go from Attunement, i don't care if it stays for challenges or whatever other crap people want to do.
 
But atm most content backing onto the Medal System sucks the fun out of it because there's no epic comebacks. It's either rigid pass first time around, or disband due to timer blown/gold/silver missed due to death/clearing trash.
 
Why not just make content to be enjoyed and passed and have fun.
 
Who cares if it takes 3hrs or 20mins.
 
The amount of hours i spent wiping on progression raids in WoW(disclaimer: Vanilla and TBC time period) easily exceed my entire time in Wildstar from beta until now, yet back then there was no fuss with it, it was part of the parcel.
 
Those wipes affect your repair bill and time spent, but once you killed the boss you got the loot, that was the definition of passing.
 
Here if you spend an hour wiping then kill the boss in a dungeon you're punished for sticking around instead of regrouping. ( I know im comparing raids to dungeons, but just stating the same gameplay (wiping) with different focus (timer vs no timer) makes a huge difference in how the group responds to learning/wipes/carrying on)	
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Chua not opposed to removing timer, but described problems is not issue with Timer.
Is Humans being Humans, and most lack social skills to form parties and groups.
 	
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Super stoked that this changed from an advice thread about the dangers at level 50 in Wildstar to a discussion about the WoW community.
 
While we're there, anyone remember the original BRD? The 10-man? What about when LBRS was a 15-man?
 
There are plenty of horror stories from levels 70, 80, etc ... God forbid you bring a new alt tank that is all capped into a heroic with raid-geared people. I quit from their behavior that very day.
 
I'm not going to touch the topic of timers since my opinion is completely different and, therefore, I clearly am an idiot.	
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Chua not opposed to removing timer, but described problems is not issue with Timer.
Is Humans being Humans, and most lack social skills to form parties and groups.
 
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Oli, I love you.
 
The request to remove timers makes me question something.... If you are pugging to get silvers, what will you do with the attunements? PuG the raids, too?
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Oli, I love you.
 
The request to remove timers makes me question something.... If you are pugging to get silvers, what will you do with the attunements? PuG the raids, too?
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     I have a pretty thick skin.  I'm former military and currently work in a drug/alcohol detox unit.  All day I am surrounded by people that have to cope with addictions, mental health issues of all sorts and many have long histories of crime and or violence...
 
...and that's just the staff!
 
<rim shot>
 
BWAHHAAAHHHHAAAA,...oh I slay me!
 
     But seriously folks, I think it would be good if they got rid of the timed medal system and go with one that rewards players based on mechanics.  More points for getting out of red and interupting, that sort of thing.  Players aren't rushing through the raids so why reward them for rushing through the attunment 5 mans?
 
As far as WoW is concerned, I don't have that many issues with the community.  In a heroic 5 man I find the best thing to do is start off by saying 'hi', maybe toss in a joke when you can and the run will go off without nearly the stress it might have.
 
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	Edited August 6, 2014 by Quuarm	
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			We <The Binary Core> are closed for recruitment but given your experience if you are on Ravenous we have a spot just for you my friend. Wish us, you'll be getting silvers in no time! 	
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The world in general is a pretty craptastic community, most people only look out for themselves. Why would it be any different in a game?
 
The reason CoH had a decent community was because people didn't play it for the "hardcore" aspect, there was no real competitive atmosphere. Most people who were playing it were families and friends, at its core it was a light-hearted game.	
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Wish us, you'll be getting silvers in no time! 
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PUGs will be PUGs. Online gaming is attracting an increasingly younger audience. Find a nice guild, one that doesn't mass invite and probably with an age limit - they exist on all levels, from super hardcore to as casual as can be. Then run with those.
 
PUGging in any MMO will never be a nice experience. It's not the game, I couldn't even attribute it to the genre tbh.	
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PUGs will be PUGs. Online gaming is attracting an increasingly younger audience. Find a nice guild, one that doesn't mass invite and probably with an age limit - they exist on all levels, from super hardcore to as casual as can be. Then run with those.
 
PUGging in any MMO will never be a nice experience. It's not the game, I couldn't even attribute it to the genre tbh.
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PvPers seem to be less offensive than trying to do pug PvE here and that's sayin sumthing cus PvPers are notoriously uber toxic across all games that has it.
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Personally, I have not run into a game that hasn't had nerd raging elitistical (Egotistical + Elitist) players. Players who are simply far too impatient and lack the proper etiquette to keep their cool in a situation where it may seem that they are doing "all of the work" via you "doing none" for X or Y air fluff reason.
 
You just have to look passed those fools, once you do that you can definitely find a plethora of friends to engage in an epic conquest with :D	
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Personally, I have not run into a game that hasn't had nerd raging elitistical (Egotistical + Elitist) players. Players who are simply far too impatient and lack the proper etiquette to keep their cool in a situation where it may seem that they are doing "all of the work" via you "doing none" for X or Y air fluff reason.
 
You just have to look passed those fools, once you do that you can definitely find a plethora of friends to engage in an epic conquest with :D
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Yeah, the veteran pugging community for this game is awful. Which is sad, because it's such a fun game.
 
My experience with pugging while leveling was much better than at end game.
 
However, we have a circle of small guilds on our server ("Small Guild Alliance") and we "pugged" from there last night. An amazingly great time, even if we didn't get very far due to people still learning what they were doing.
 
Lot's of jokes cracked and laughter on TS. That's my kind of game.	
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So I just hit level 50 yesterday, I'm super pumped!  Or so I thought.  So I try my first few endgame things and each time I run into really rude people who go off on me for getting hit by 1 thing or dying once.  I'm in no way the best playing in the world but I legitimately try to avoid telegraphs and be all around good player.  But these people think that I'm just the scum of nexus who cant fight my way past anything.  If this is how the community of Wildstar's endgame is, I'm not sure I want to be apart of a bunch of stuck up elitists.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be that guy who QQs about the game being to hard or not accepting enough of casuals.  I genuinely like the way the game is and want to play it, it's just the people I'm not sure I care for.  I'm probably going to be told to go back to WoW or something of that nature...Maybe that will just confirm it for me.  Anyway enough ranting, that's just my thoughts.  Thanks for reading!  Hope you all are enjoying Wildstar!  
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			This game makes it really easy to network with the nice/friendly/cool people you come across. Character friend, Account friend, Circle, Guild, hell even Neighbors. Best advice here is to use the tools you're given to improve your experience.	
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