107960-entitled-to-a-title-for-completing-attunement

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			Since you are taking away the work to get attuned, people who actually showed the skill and commitment to doing so should get a Galactic Hotshot that awards the title, the Silvered.  This is to show recognition to those who did what was expected of them.  Galactic Hotshots are the equivalent of Feats of Strength in WoW and are usually not held against completionists.	
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I'd rock "the Entitled."
 
Better than the Puzzle Master title I got by using Tap That, anyway.	
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No.
 
Hell, not everyone was even at attunement stage yet, and yes, I know it's been over 2 months since the game was released.
 
You may now tell the dirty, non-uber-hardcore gamer to GTFO. DIAF works too. =P	
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			Hahaha! He's really serious. Kinda sad lil buddy...	
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			Sure fine, have a title. But make it a title for Silver Dungeon completion. The Silver Dungeon's aren't changing at all, you can still do them. This way anyone that completes them, at any point, can have it.	
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Agreed.
 
It was a pain in the ass to get all the dungeons down on the timer. Now that it's getting thrown out the window there should be something that recognizes the time people put in to get it with the old requirements, even if its something small like a title. 
 
I mean if not it's pretty much a big "*cupcake* you" to the people that already attuned the hard way. I'm fine with them changing it since raids aren't about timers but seriously, don't tell me I don't deserve something small like a title for doing it the hard way.	
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I dunno.....the thing with feats of strength was that it met 1 or both of these pre-requisites from my understanding:
 
1)The content isn't available anymore such as the original Zul'Gurub...
 
2)The content is old enough that current gear and or class balancing makes the content  trivial.  You walk into Black temple in current gear and at 90 you wreck that place where as here you still need to be on your toes to do it...	
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			Don't care either way, since I have title display turned off. Have at it! :D	
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			Since this wasn't achieved in a honest manner by a good portion of the current Raid crop, I disagree.	
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Since this wasn't achieved in a honest manner by a good portion of the current Raid crop, I disagree.
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Since this wasn't achieved in a honest manner by a good portion of the current Raid crop, I disagree.
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It's still possible to run silvers and golds.  It's not like the title he's asking for would be exclusive or no longer attainable, you'd still have to medal correctly to get it, though.
 
I thought there was some kind of achievement for getting all golds, wasn't there?	
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It's still possible to run silvers and golds.  It's not like the title he's asking for would be exclusive or no longer attainable, you'd still have to medal correctly to get it, though.
 
I thought there was some kind of achievement for getting all golds, wasn't there?
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"I grinded silver, and all I got was this stupid title"
 
The title	
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'Content Dodger'
 
 
'Content Bypasser'
 
 
'Silver or bust'
 
'Disbanded because your cat jumped on keyboard'
 
'We're not saying we're Elite, but.. .Elite.'	
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I'm sadly going to have to agree with everyone else here.. Most people exploited to get that. Because of them, no one deserves anything....
 
ahhh hell who am i kidding they exploited.. they'll get a title, Carbine always seems to reward exploiters.  :rolleyes:	
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			"Pet Detective", the only title I ever need.	
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Since this wasn't achieved in a honest manner by a good portion of the current Raid crop, I disagree.
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Since you are taking away the work to get attuned, people who actually showed the skill and commitment
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I bet your skill and commitment, drops panties.
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There are those that did though, and they deserve recognition.  This means that those who exploited will get it too, but it is better to award those that deserve it if a few bad apples get it than to award no one at all.
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Oh Wade, I don't want to get between you and Death.
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Isn't an MMO about effort and reward?  Before, my effort was rewarded by me being able to raid.  Now, that is meaningless.  The least they can do is reward it with a cosmetic reward that hurts no one.  Seriously, isn't the argument from casuals that nerfing the attunement hurts no one?  Well, why are they getting butthurt over the idea of a title?	
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 Before, my effort was rewarded by me being able to raid.  Now, that is meaningless.
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Isn't an MMO about effort and reward?  Before, my effort was rewarded by me being able to raid.  Now, that is meaningless.  The least they can do is reward it with a cosmetic reward that hurts no one.  Seriously, isn't the argument from casuals that nerfing the attunement hurts no one?  Well, why are they getting butthurt over the idea of a title?
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Huh? What are you 12?
 
Anyone can get silver dungeons completed. That isn't changing. All I'm saying is yelling for a title is a bit immature and asinine.
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There's nothing stopping people from getting silvers in all dungeons still; that hasn't changed.
 
You do get something for completing all the achievements, it's been mentioned.  That deserves something.
 
Not sure, at this point, if you should award someone for all silvers.  With attunement shifted to bronze, there's no reason for completionists not to go for gold.	
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			Got carried through 5 dungeons -or- carried through 5 newbies through any dungeon..."The Baby Bjorn"Look! It's my new Guild!	
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Isn't an MMO about effort and reward?  Before, my effort was rewarded by me being able to raid.  Now, that is meaningless.  The least they can do is reward it with a cosmetic reward that hurts no one.  Seriously, isn't the argument from casuals that nerfing the attunement hurts no one?  Well, why are they getting butthurt over the idea of a title?
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If anyone could silver dungeons, why did they have to nerf attunement?
 
 
The effort I put in to be able to raid was meaningless.  I overcame a difficulty that many people are incapable of doing for the sole purpose of raiding.  I could have just waited a few weeks instead.
 
 
No, I don't think I am better than other people.  Besides, it wasn't that I spent more time, its that I spent effort for something that the reward was taken away from.  It is the equivalent of winning a science fair project and getting to go to the state science fair, but too many people complained, so now everyone gets a blue ribbon and gets to go.
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The point of taking the time to meticulously plan and practice the dungeons to get silver was to be able to raid. Now that everyone and their grandma is going to be able to do so (eventually) there should be some recognition for people who did it the hard way.
 
Jesus crystler people will always find something to complain about, nothing would stop you from getting silvers afterward, which if a title was implemented, would still give you the achievement, you just don't want anyone else to have it because you don't.
 
You can call me an elitist if you want but there should be some recognition for the people that did this when it was significantly more difficult, otherwise what the hell was the point in practicing for silvers? For fun? I guarantee you no one thought it was fun trying to race against those dumb timers, and I'm sorry if you weren't able to do it yourself/find a group who could do so, but that doesn't mean that they're not others who did put the time into doing so.
 
And for gawd's sake its a title the OP is talking about, like seriously? One of the more insignificant things you could put a vanity disclaimer on and people still want to whine and moan. Unbelievable.
 
inb4 "urahardcoreelitist" 	
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The point of taking the time to meticulously plan and practice the dungeons to get silver was to be able to raid. Now that everyone and their grandma is going to be able to do so (eventually) there should be some recognition for people who did it the hard way.
 
Jesus crystler people will always find something to complain about, nothing would stop you from getting silvers afterward, which if a title was implemented, would still give you the achievement, you just don't want anyone else to have it because you don't.
 
You can call me an elitist if you want but there should be some recognition for the people that did this when it was significantly more difficult, otherwise what the hell was the point in practicing for silvers? For fun? I guarantee you no one thought it was fun trying to race against those dumb timers, and I'm sorry if you weren't able to do it yourself/find a group who could do so, but that doesn't mean that they're not others who did put the time into doing so.
 
And for gawd's sake its a title the OP is talking about, like seriously? One of the more insignificant things you could put a vanity disclaimer on and people still want to whine and moan. Unbelievable.
 
inb4 "urahardcoreelitist" 
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Jesus crystler people will always find something to complain about, nothing would stop you from getting silvers afterward, which if a title was implemented, would still give you the achievement, you just don't want anyone else to have it because you don't.
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As someone who's not yet managed to get silver on all dungeons (or any dungeons for that matter - took my sweet time working up to it once I hit 50, only just started learning them now), I have no problem with this. Let the silver-attuned people have a title - I can't imagine what the point of it is going to be.
 
From that moment on, people will always remember the silver dungeon requirements, and what people did to get them. They'll look at your shiny title and recall the early days when trash-skipping was rampant, wall-climbing was standard and exploiting buggy bosses was absolutely expected. Maybe they'll wonder if you got hold of mummy's credit card to load up on a C.R.E.D.D. or two and buy your silver runs from exploit-a-guilds. Absolute best case scenario, people will look at your title, and you'll look at it too, and recognise that you ran dungeons non-stop to obtain silvers because you had to. At best, it's no better than getting silver on dungeons further down the line, when exploits are closed and short-cuts are blocked, and that's if you can convince people that you ran the dungeon properly and really earned your silver medals.
 
Sure, have your title. I really don't know what you'll do with it, but it doesn't matter squat to my play experience and I doubt many others out there are going to give a Chua's fart about it either, so all the best.
 
Edit: This post reads a lot more butthurt since it formatted out the paragraphs :p	
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Sure, have your title. I really don't know what you'll do with it, but it doesn't matter squat to my play experience and I doubt many others out there are going to give a Chua's fart about it either, so all the best.
 
 
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As silly as it may sound to some folks it's not like doing this for people is going to ruin anyone else's game experience. So what if it makes them feel better than you...why does it even matter whether or not someone has a superiority complex? Don't let it bother you. As long as they're not being a tool to you live and let live.
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Game communities have enough poison, why add more?
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I don't think it'd add any poison. The only people that'd want this title are either those who want it for their own gratification and are never going to use it, those who want to wave it about in people's faces like some sort of accomplishment and those who intend to use it as a gating mechanism of sorts - in each case, the date-stamped achievements they already have are going to do pretty much the same thing, whether there's a title or not. It really makes no difference if it's an achievement on its own or a title to boot, if people are going to be douchebags about it then they'll do it either way.
 
In all ways, it's a totally pointless request (except for the Feat of Strength comparison, that was just woefully fatuous), and as I've said I suspect any such title will become a bit of a laughing stock. Further down the line once exploits are pretty much fully closed, if I dropped into a run with someone waving that title or time-stamped achievement around, I'd immediately ask them if they knew how to run the dungeon properly. Not because I think they probably got it through exploitation or straight-up bought it, but because there's the very real possibility that they *might* have and will mess up a perfectly good run by falling to genuine mechanics.
 
Maybe it'll be useful in that regard to identify high-risk PuGers.
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Silvers are changing again, exploited? it's obvious you haven't gotten them, if you did, you had to skip packs as well to get them, and if silvers don't change, then so will everyone else to get the silvers in the current state.
 
flat out, you did not get a silver in legit means, you just didn't.
 
it was still hard to get attuned, and my guild is happy with bronze only requirements now, so we can get a raid group together.
 
 
just don't cry about more nerfs when shit got catered to the people with a lack of skill, no it's not a time thing, obviously if we exploited, its a skill thing since we just had to fight mostly bosses and select which mobs to pull, it is not possible to completely clear all the mobs and hit silver. so when you get your easier attunements and get into raids and they are hard I would hate to see sucky players cry this game into the damn ground. I like bronze because now you guys can learn and have all the time in the world to get attuned so hopefully you have some patience and can pick up some skill, see more of these awesome dungeons. I know im soundling a little douchey but hell i got attuned and i love the bonds i have made with my guild, best time i have had in gaming in a long ass time and the difficulty and learning and looking out for each other is a big part of the fun.	
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Since you are taking away the work to get attuned, people who actually showed the skill and commitment to doing so should get a Galactic Hotshot that awards the title, the Silvered.  This is to show recognition to those who did what was expected of them.  Galactic Hotshots are the equivalent of Feats of Strength in WoW and are usually not held against completionists.
 
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I dunno.....the thing with feats of strength was that it met 1 or both of these pre-requisites from my understanding:
 
1)The content isn't available anymore such as the original Zul'Gurub...
 
2)The content is old enough that current gear and or class balancing makes the content  trivial.  You walk into Black temple in current gear and at 90 you wreck that place where as here you still need to be on your toes to do it...
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Thinking about this, the OP's Title is 'Entitled to a title'
 
 
I thought hardcore meant you were against being entitled to anything??
 
 :P
 
 
inb4 welfare titles!	
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Thinking about this, the OP's Title is 'Entitled to a title'
 
 
I thought hardcore meant you were against being entitled to anything??
 
 :P
 
 
inb4 welfare titles!
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To be fair, the play on words was too hard to pass up.
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			Kinda sucks for us on 3/4 silvers.	
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I'm assuming that the current raiders would be perfectly fine with Carbine adding Instance Timers to Raids, in addition to Enrage Timers, so that Instance Timers for Attunement would be relevant to raiding.
 
Don't get the whole dungeon done, perfectly, in one go? Better luck next time.	
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Kinda sucks for us on 3/4 silvers.
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Thinking about this, the OP's Title is 'Entitled to a title'
 
 
I thought hardcore meant you were against being entitled to anything??
 
 :P
 
 
inb4 welfare titles!
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You would have like 2 weeks or whatever it is until the change goes live to get it.  Are you missing swordmaiden?  Because once they streamlined it, that place became so much easier to silver.
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Raiding is already more difficult than silver dungeons.
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No, I said I don't think I am better than other people.  People who get butthurt over someone else getting a title, those people, I know I am better than them.
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"Special Snowflake"
 
My suggestion for your title	
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ugh, can we stop with the insulting? Intensive and Sacramento for all I know have golds in all the dungeons and they did it legit way. There ARE people who did it properly just as much as there are those who did it through the negative unintended ways.
 
I don't agree with their approaches nor do I agree with their title proposal for reasons I've stated already, but....c'mon....c'mooooooon	
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I'd rock "the Entitled."
 
Better than the Puzzle Master title I got by using Tap That, anyway.
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I wish there was a title for never playing a single Simon or rapid tap game without that addon. Voting for "the Casual Filth" personally.
 
Would rock it 24/7.
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A whole lot of plat then. Gotcha.
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ugh, can we stop with the insulting? Intensive and Sacramento for all I know have golds in all the dungeons and they did it legit way. There ARE people who did it properly just as much as there are those who did it through the negative unintended ways.
 
I don't agree with their approaches nor do I agree with their title proposal for reasons I've stated already, but....c'mon....c'mooooooon
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My current project is at 21, my highest alt is at 24, and I never had plans to raid to begin with.
 
But thanks for once again proving this is all about your ego.
 
See Below
 
A whole lot of plat then. Gotcha.
 
Oh the irony.
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 It baffles me that many pseudo elite can't grasp the logic as to why carbine has to throw in a monkey wrench in a miscalculation on player game play tolerences. Most of these players harping over the issue will reap the benefits of it later on down the road when core groups lose players and when carbine shovels out new content because there's enough active subs to flip the bill for it.
 
Besides if there is any titles that go out it shouldn't be for silvers in the first place thats subpar performance.. it should only reflect on gold runs only. Gold runs should be readjusted to full clears of all trash mobs and objectives with no deaths and in a challenging amount of time. Outside of this no one should be entitled to anything outside of getting ready for raids.
 
Any long experienced raider knows this is the cycle of hard content and the first wave is passing through.. the hardcore guilds have already done their world firsts competitions and now the threshold lifts a bit so the next wave of players goes through.. this a repeat and rinse cycle that many mmo's goes through. Carbine is sticking to their guns and not nerfing content their readjusting the gates,..there is a big difference.
 
Expecting entitlement for this is like the players complaining about spending a fortune on trigger fingers and expecting a financial compensation after the drop rate has been adjusted... srry but what you aquired in that time slot doesnt have a retropayment option later on down the line. You got it and did it durning the time when that was what was expected.. now move on.	
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***Mod Note***I made a short edit to the thread title so it could be more easily found on the index. Carry on.
 
~Morwynne	
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			In closing, the title will be 'Entitled'.!	
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It's like all the bad players assume everyone who is in the raiding scene abused exploits in dungeons to get them done. The silver dungeons are not hard and exploits weren't even close to being necessary to finish any of them.
Depends if you think skipping trash is an exploit I guess. The dungeons are designed with trash skipping in mind. If Carbine wanted you to kill all the trash mobs inside dungeons, they would've changed it before even launching the game. 
The only mob skipping that was way excessive was Stormtalon where you skipped over half of the trash. 
 
Can somebody name me the many exploits that were used in dungeons? Personally the only one that stick out to me was the Mordechai ledge exploit which pretty much made it so you ignored every single mechanic on that fight. 	
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I want a title for doing the attunement after the nerf pls.
 
'He who waits laughs, longest and loudest'
 
Cheers	
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			Dear gosh please no....The game is too new to reward players who rushed through the content to get things. Lets not encourage people being entitles asshats please.	
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Since you are taking away the work to get attuned, people who actually showed the skill and commitment to doing so should get a Galactic Hotshot that awards the title, the Silvered.  This is to show recognition to those who did what was expected of them.  Galactic Hotshots are the equivalent of Feats of Strength in WoW and are usually not held against completionists.
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Didnt you already get rewarded for finishing it? Interesting and ironic you used the word "Entitled" in your topic heading.
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Lol at all the people saying the only way people got silver dungeons done for attunement before now, exploited and cheated.  You people have a lot of hate built up.  Then again, I would be angry if I was terrible at this game too.
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Quoting from another thread as we're being penned into here now.
 
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Tankanidis
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The more squealing about how silver attunements make you above the plebes, the more I keep hearing 'the lady doth protest too much' in the back of my head.
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Dear gosh please no....The game is too new to reward players who rushed through the content to get things. Lets not encourage people being entitles asshats please.
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You should probably actually read a thread before commenting.  I mean, its only a few pages at this point.
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I read it. Perhaps you just arent any good at deciphering sarcasm?
 
He did what he had to do in order to get attuned, according to the CURRENT rules at the time. Things change. TO turn around and demand recognition because the rules changed is absurd.
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2 months has passed since the game launched. How can you even tell us that we rushed through the content at this point. And this change won't go through until drop 3 which is in 1 month. 
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Most of the people that are going to want this title rushed to get to raiding in less then a few weeks. The rest of us are enjoying the game and enjoying the challenge. The issue I see here is the people that finished the runs on silver feel they deserve a reward for something that a lot of people have done just to do it. Not everyone that has done it on silver has don't it for the key. So there for if you did it for the key doesn't mean you get something special.
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			Give them a title, they need to find importance somewhere in their lives.	
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Reading comprehension.  It is a skill they teach in high school English courses.  He was talking about how the title has Entitled to it, I posted a few pages back how I worded it that way because it was too good of an opportunity to not use that play on words.
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So baiscally you had to go back and clarify your statement because people with "bad reading comprehension" might not get the gist of it? Sounds to me more like you have a communication issue yourself. You basically sabotaged your whole post then, all in an effort to be cheeky with words? And then you jump on me for poor comprehension? Errrm....lol.
 
How about you just say what you mean the first time, and leave the play on words to the trolls?
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Maybe an achievement. Definitely not a title.
 
The game already has, "the Hobo" title. Anything else would be purely unnecessary and wouldn't be utilized.	
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This thread...
 
Really, just get over it. Not like they're removing the ability to get silver medals. Getting more people into the door in raids is a good thing.	
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			Simple solution, lets compromise. Give them their shiny. Just make the title visible only to them.	
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			I could see adding an achievement or title for getting all silvers. Making it so that you only get the achievement if you did it before the next drop, however, seems a little silly. It's not like Silver Medals are going away.	
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I have to disagree with giving out the attunement pre-nerf titles. Believe it or not - I would stake my next years net pay (and thats a lot) that 98% of the current attuned - attuned through exploiting a given dungeon at some point. All were exploitable - some still are. Exploiting Dungeons will only hurt you in the long run.
 
Exploiters are typically and probably always will be bad/lazy/douche players. JS.	
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You obviously don't know how media works or publicity in general.
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This thread...
 
Really, just get over it. Not like they're removing the ability to get silver medals. Getting more people into the door in raids is a good thing.
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I'm not going to argue with you pal. Say what you mean, and quit trying to be a clown. No one takes a clown seriously.
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You are the reason Pagliacci couldn't find help.
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			 Well if any titles go out for silvers.. (which i don't feel they deserve outside of golds) than that title should maintain its availibility for new players that are getting silver.. after all the content isn't whats changing here.	
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Given that the process was heavily exploitable and is still is bypassable via solicitation I don't see how things will change. Newcomer raiders will still have to prove themselves to guilds and Guilds will be more likely to require some bottom level of performance rather than just expecting people to flash their shiny new attunement in the air.
 
The only thing that changes is that 1 terrible player will no longer be able to hold 4 above average players back.	
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'Content Dodger'
 
 
'Content Bypasser'
 
 
'Silver or bust'
 
'Disbanded because your cat jumped on keyboard'
 
'We're not saying we're Elite, but.. .Elite.'
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No, getting more competent people into door in raids is a good thing.  This change does not do that to the same extent.  It will be literally swimming through a sea of excrement looking for diamonds.
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Anyone can be competent and you are grossly exaggerating.
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			Wait a minute. I need my title for posting in the forums first.	
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No, getting more competent people into door in raids is a good thing.  This change does not do that to the same extent.  It will be literally swimming through a sea of excrement looking for diamonds.
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Wait a minute. I need my title for posting in the forums first.
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I am not an officer.  It's going to suck for them though.
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But you're hardcore - so investing the time to find those diamonds should be of no consequence to you. It just makes raiding that much more hardcore right? 
 
Or do you not have time for that? Are you too busy with other things in your life? Well sorry then, guess you can't raid! Welcome to us filthy casuals!
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Give them a personal decor item or hoverboard like this:	
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No, getting more competent people into door in raids is a good thing.  This change does not do that to the same extent.  It will be literally swimming through a sea of excrement looking for diamonds.
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Hahaha. This really cracked me up.
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The irony of the back and forth was almost suffocating.
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This whole debate is utterly ridiculous.
 
People are either skilled players or they aren't. Arguing over how much that is related to already having achieved silver attunement is pointless. People are either skilled or they're not, and this can be entirely unrelated to their current game progress. Time investment =/= skill.
 
I truly hope guilds weren't relying solely on people having completed the attunement as proof of them being competent raiders. If that's the case, then I feel for you, but you were doing it wrong. A good raider is so much more than someone who can link you a certain achievement (that he/she may not even have completed themselves). I've been a guild leader for years, and I can tell you there are far better methods of filtering and testing suitable people for your guild.
 
On the topic of the title: it would be really neat if they added one for gold completion of all dungeons, seems silly to award one for silver. After all, you could do better.	
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This whole debate is utterly ridiculous.
 
People are either skilled players or they aren't. Arguing over how much that is related to already having achieved silver attunement is pointless. People are either skilled or they're not, and this can be entirely unrelated to their current game progress. Time investment =/= skill.
 
Yes, you can be casual and skilled.  No one says otherwise.  The thing though is, that if you actually did silver dungeons, that more often than not shows that you are both dedicated to the game and meet a minimum amount of skill.  Yes, some people were carried through, but the signal to noise ratio was a lot higher than it is about to be.
 
I truly hope guilds weren't relying solely on people having completed the attunement as proof of them being competent raiders. If that's the case, then I feel for you, but you were doing it wrong. A good raider is so much more than someone who can link you a certain achievement (that he/she may not even have completed themselves). I've been a guild leader for years, and I can tell you there are far better methods of filtering and testing suitable people for your guild.
 
It was a minimum.  If someone wasn't good still beyond that, it was easy to see but more often than not, they were good enough to start raiding.
 
On the topic of the title: it would be really neat if they added one for gold completion of all dungeons, seems silly to award one for silver. After all, you could do better.
 
Porque no los dos?
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Hey folks, let's keep this thread on topic and without the sniping at one another. 
 
 
 
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Since this wasn't achieved in a honest manner by a good portion of the current Raid crop, I disagree.
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A title for completion of attunement requirements prior to changing those requirements does not seem like a good idea to me at all, as I don't personally think it would be respectful, courteous, or polite to give such a title to people exclusively for having completed silver dungeons prior to their removal from attunement requirements. The people who it would be particularly disrespectful, uncourteous, and unpolite to would be those people who bought the game after the change, completed attunement, and completed silver dungeons--who will have demonstrated exactly the same level of skill and not be eligible for such a title.
 
So I will respectfully, courteously, and politely disagree with the OP's idea.
 
That said, I think a title for completion of silver dungeons is a great idea, and one that can be used to address the very frequently noted concern on the part of some guild-masters that it will be difficult for them to now reject applicants who have not completed silver dungeons. If such a title existed, they could just ask the applicant to pop the title and it's a done deal. Skill proved.	
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As a person who has completed attunement weeks ago and is currently happily raiding, I don't think that such a title is really necessary.
 
I get that some people will be mad about "Back in my day... 2 miles in the snow, uphill both ways" when these changes happen, but a title is not going to make a difference. The reward for doing it before the change is, well, already doing it. Who cares that it is easier now? Attunement doesn't matter in the long run.
 
I do agree with a title for getting gold in all of the dungeons, as that is actually something impressive, and something anyone, anytime can strive for.	
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Personally like iv stated many times,
 
I dont think players who did it "Legit" quote on quote, are entitled to anything. We did it because it was there to do, and to the best of our abilities we perservered and succeeded. THAT IN ITSELF to me is reward enough, the feeling of downing something hard.. You just CANT BEAT THAT...
 
Now.. I do disagree with all the people coming in here argueing against people that might support your cause, because just like they have complained non stop about content or timers or whatever... (Basically something carbine had put in that they couldnt do)  and now they get their way, they think they can rain on everyone else's parade.
 
Just like the fear of the cascading effect, (again I WANT people to experience new content, I want the casuals to be able to experience the amazing content thats out there) BUT! i do not agree with their mindset now that they can just complain and complain and get what they want... sooner or later they will get to experience the content, then complain about it to get it nerfed... Which is ridiculous...
 
Id like it if the casuals actually stayed friendly, and the hardcores stayed friendly, people help eachother out.. I dont like being antagonized because my mindset is that I dont want content to be nerfed just because my standards are different than yours. Shouldnt people who CAN clear it? be in the clear? because the content was PUT there at THAT difficultly originally to begin with. So why is not wanting to incite change on it, becoming the bad guy?
 
Please use some logic here people before you go and attack someone for defending their ideals to what was put here originally for us to access.
 
 
TLDR: I dont agree that we are entitled to anything just because we cleared content other people couldnt, but I would appreciate casuals to not complain about how hard the content is and ask for it to be nerfed when they finally get to experience / access it due to the current timer nerfs on attunement.
			
				
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			I think probably the right thing to do is make it a Galactic Hotshot achievement, something that marks your character as one that has been there, done that. A title probably isn't appropriate, but acknowledgement does make sense.	
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I think probably the right thing to do is make it a Galactic Hotshot achievement, something that marks your character as one that has been there, done that. A title probably isn't appropriate, but acknowledgement does make sense.
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If you see attunement as process by which you and your teammates can better yourselves and thus have a higher success rate while in raiding proper, fine with me.  Tough content for the pure sport of it and the challenge is great.  I love challenges.  A title would be nice in this case.
 
If you're trying to use attunement as some sort of gatekeeper to weed "bads" out of your exclusive country club that you call a "raid team",  sorry.  You're on your own there.	
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Because silver medals had their difficulties lowered/removed?
 
They didn't see it fit to give all silvers a title in the beginning why would they do it now?
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It's not to mark the Silvers, it's to mark completion of a more difficult attunement achievement. That deserves to be recognized.
 
Why are you so concerned if no one else can see it?
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And after the change you can still go back and do the exact same silvers at the exact same difficulty. Your logic is flawed. Why does it need to be exclusive to the crowd who already got attuned? What about the people that start playing today? The difficulty is the same. The dungeons are the same. The achievement is the same.... weird.
 
It's such a foreign concept to me that players like yourself are so worried about your own accomplishments being diminished in some way by what other players are doing in the game.
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But you didn't do it as a team as part of the raid attunement/access process. Its a different mindset and different achievement as a collective. 
 
Again, what's the problem if it's a Galactic Hotshot achievement with no title? What are you afraid of?
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But you didn't do it as a team as part of the raid attunement/access process. Its a different mindset and different achievement as a collective. 
 
Again, what's the problem if it's a Galactic Hotshot achievement with no title? What are you afraid of?
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How about 'Belieber'?
 
Or better yet 'The Kardashian'.	
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But you didn't do it as a team as part of the raid attunement/access process. Its a different mindset and different achievement as a collective. 
 
Again, what's the problem if it's a Galactic Hotshot achievement with no title? What are you afraid of?
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Now.. I do disagree with all the people coming in here argueing against people that might support your cause, because just like they have complained non stop about content or timers or whatever... (Basically something carbine had put in that they couldnt do)  and now they get their way, they think they can rain on everyone else's parade.
 
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			I would support this. I like the fact that players in FF14 will get a special title when they complete the Savage difficulty of the Binding Coil of Bahamut. I'll never complete it, but they should be proud of their achievement. You guys who have done the attunement thing after traversing the 30 miles in the snow or whatever should be able to be special also. :) 	
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I would support this. I like the fact that players in FF14 will get a special title when they complete the Savage difficulty of the Binding Coil of Bahamut. I'll never complete it, but they should be proud of their achievement. You guys who have done the attunement thing after traversing the 30 miles in the snow or whatever should be able to be special also. :)
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			Sure have a title, I have BijiPlates set to hide titles and guild tags to decrease the size of name plates in PvP. So it won't bother me any.	
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