103455-starting-to-wonder

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If you've been reading the forums you most likely have seen the players who are using "charged" shot as a machine gun. And then the follow up about them still not being banned, but I mean it was a Tuesday who does work on a Tuesday? I have seen more moderators shutting down the forums with the same copy paste format that has links to the forums about the June bot wars... But it's July and we're talking about different stuff beside the generic here's what we're doing it's and endless struggle.
 
 
After all that I love this game and hope this stuff gets fixed. I really do want it to survive! Please carbine no generic lock or generic response.	
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We lock it because we do still have active threads on the subject. We do also mention that the teams are looking into it, but it takes time to build up a case and there is a process involved. Aside from that, moderators on the forums at least can't do much more, we're not the ones investigating, and it's our job to moderate the forums, and pass along information. The information that we have so far involves the two threads posted, and providing the email address to players to report exploits / hacks / bots so that they can get looked at on a one-on-one basis. We do ask players to keep replies to those two threads so that the information is easily accessible and all in one place. 
 
Again this is just from a moderators view, and I hope it clarifies a bit. 
 
- team WildStar 	
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			I understand your hands are kind of tied but I mean not even a temp ban?	
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Not sure what sort of answer you expect here.  "1. In other mmo's or video games I see posts from moderators saying their looking into it. Or mentioning who is... Cuz on this Tuesday obviously no one was looking into it. If they were at least a temporary ban would be placed."
 
- We did say it was being looked into, we're not the ones who ban or investigate and those that do don't divulge disciplinary details so we have nothing more we can do besides pass up the information.
 
Is your complaint with moderators or that nothing is being done? I'm getting mixed signals. I'm sorry if things are not moving along quickly enough, and I understand that it's a concern, but we've mentioned these concerns and are doing our best. 	
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I understand your hands are kind of tied but I mean not even a temp ban? If someone robbed me and I had a video of it happening and a text from their number saying "well too bad you got robbed by me imma keep robbing" that's sufficient evidence to at least knock on their door/ do some questioning.
I get things take time but time is money in this economy! When someone doesn't value my time I don't value their product! That being said I value wildstar so all I ask is wildstar value my time!
 
I think that's a solid analogy.
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			Videos can be edited and faked.  Even a halfway skilled student of the field can make a semi-blurry video implying what they want people to believe.   It takes investigation and scrutiny by an expert party before an item can be considered solid evidence. In the case of a videogame, it's probably a little less involved, but there are still steps that have to be taken before an account can be shut down, temporary or not.   No matter how angry the community gets, the devs need to approach these things carefully.   	
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			My concerns definitely aren't with moderators you guys are just doing your job, it is mainly with the time and that their doesn't seem to be a consistent front coming from carbine (not your fault)	
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They aren't just going to ban people without investigating. And even then you aren't going to be told if it has or hasn't been done. They wont divulge that kind of information.
 
No MMO I've ever played has done this why would they start now. 
 
Yeah it sucks if someone is cheating my advice would be just log off. If people are so concerned about their ratings and they keep queueing into cheats...well it's not rocket science.
 
Carbine will do the best they can.	
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They aren't just going to ban people without investigating.
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			Exactly!! I have seen plenty of innocent people temp banned. And guilty! This just seems easy	
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You mean what they've been doing since headstart?
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			Ok cool after is on our side now. He just had to be informed.	
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Oh I'm sorry have they ?
 
Just banning people left right and center for shits and giggles ?
 
Well there you go..
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Sarcasm only works if you're right. Feel free to browse the forum (perhaps reddit if you can stand that trashpile of a website) and see the threads about people getting mistakenly suspended. Carbine even acknowledged that they were in the wrong but refused compensate these people.
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Sarcasm only works if you're right. Feel free to browse the forum (perhaps reddit if you can stand that trashpile of a website) and see the threads about people getting mistakenly suspended. Carbine even acknowledged that they were in the wrong but refused compensate these people.
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So because it's on reddit, it's believable?
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Sarcasm only works if you're right. Feel free to browse the forum (perhaps reddit if you can stand that trashpile of a website) and see the threads about people getting mistakenly suspended. Carbine even acknowledged that they were in the wrong but refused compensate these people.
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So what do you want now? I dont get it... you all are complaining about them not insta-banning people. Now you're complaining about them Insta-banning people.....
 
It's either, or. you can't have both.
 
Perhaps they have learned from their mistake and now do more research before a ban? Then all the complaining has paid off and now this is the result you get.
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You misunderstand me. I don't much care whether they will ban these cheaters or not. There have already been exploits that went unpunished, not like it matters at this point. I'm simply stating that in the past the team has suspended accounts without investigating them first. Make of that what you will.
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			Yes because they're totally going to start banning people just because they were accused of cheating in BGs. I can't see anyone abusing that policy to get others banned.	
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Yes because they're totally going to start banning people just because they were accused of cheating in BGs. I can't see anyone abusing that policy to get others banned.
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Have you even seen the evidence in this case? It is 100% damning... :rolleyes:
Don't start any nonsense about "people can fake these videos" please. No. Just no.
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Have you even seen the evidence in this case? It is 100% damning... :rolleyes:
Don't start any nonsense about "people can fake these videos" please. No. Just no.
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I have to agree.  The video is pretty cut and dry. That doesn't mean the people who were cheating don't still deserve due process. 
 
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You misunderstand me. I don't much care whether they will ban these cheaters or not. There have already been exploits that went unpunished, not like it matters at this point. I'm simply stating that in the past the team has suspended accounts without investigating them first. Make of that what you will.
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They should at least monitor those players in question and refund the rating people are losing to them and take away their rating.  I have lost rating to things like this and the practice BG bug that have kept me above 1400 but below 1500 for about a month.  its super frustrating.
 
I have already canceled my sub and am still hoping their will be a reason to resub up next Monday but its not looking good.	
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Those people were caught by the filter that detects botters, and the vast majority of them actually were botting. Whether they were doing it themselves or their account had been hacked and botting was going on without their knowledge, the activity was still happening on their accounts. That's not the same as trying to find and ban people using an exploit in PVP.
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Not sure what sort of answer you expect here. 
 
"1. In other mmo's or video games I see posts from moderators saying their looking into it. Or mentioning who is... Cuz on this Tuesday obviously no one was looking into it. If they were at least a temporary ban would be placed."
 
- We did say it was being looked into, we're not the ones who ban or investigate and those that do don't divulge disciplinary details so we have nothing more we can do besides pass up the information.
 
Is your complaint with moderators or that nothing is being done? I'm getting mixed signals. I'm sorry if things are not moving along quickly enough, and I understand that it's a concern, but we've mentioned these concerns and are doing our best. 
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I know this isn't a client side hack which will make it more difficult to sort out. I was running some adventures with guildmates two nights ago and a fellow slinger kept mentioning his charged shot had no CD although mine did. I have no clue how to reproduce this "bug" nor do I want to know, but this is server side and will take some investigation to sort out the innocent and guilty parties.
 
Had an odd bug while playing the new BG on PTR also. I could see opposing stealthed stalkers yet my son sitting right next to me could not. I really hope that is fixed before they release it. I reported the bug several times however I never heard anything back from anyone and I know I wasn't the only one that encountered this.
 
I'd love to see more stability rather than constantly rolling out more bugged content.
 
Good job on weeding out the majority of gold farmers though :)	
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