116865-basic-signs-of-elements

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Hi guys,
 
I was playing WS and I noticed I had like 1k+ of each basic sign of element (water, fire, earth and air), so I was wondering what I could do with them.
Right now, I'm guessing that there is no purpose for these items.
 
So i'm asking what are you doing with yours ?
 
I got an idea : it would be nice to be able to transform X sign of one element into a greater sign of the same element.
E.g. : 10 Sign of Fire > 1 Sign of Fire - Greater
 
What do you think about it ?
 
Have a good day.	
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Same boat...
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115664-those-pesky-signs-of/	
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			I vendor all of them but the epics because i have so many.	
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I was playing WS and I noticed I had like 1k+ of each basic sign of element (water, fire, earth and air), so I was wondering what I could do with them.
Right now, I'm guessing that there is no purpose for these items.
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			Selling most runes on the CX will result in less money then vendoring them.	
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			No argument here. Just pointing out that new code really isn't required to give lowbie crafting mats/items a purpose. You can convert them into currency, which can then be used for a much wider range of things--including the purchase of higher-grade elements, should you be so inclined.	
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I spent some time reviewing the crafting components for the Runic Elemental Flux (REF), their availability, and relative value. Below are my conclusions. I make a lot of assumptions, however I tried to be conservative.
 
TL;DR
The Runic Eldan Flux will be very expensive and hard to obtain because of its use of Eldan Fusion and Eldan Earth signs.
 
 
The REF requires four components from four different trade skills. These four components are combined by the Technologist into the REF. Each component requires considerable resources:Component Cost to Craft (at current CX and vender prices)1x Smart Cloth (Tailor)5x Starloom Cloth 60s5x Sign of Logic - Eldan 12g50s2x Sign of Fusion - Eldan 30g1x Eldan Acceleron 37stotal 43g37s1x Vitalium Ingot (Armorer)4x Galactium Chunk 88s5x Sign of Life - Eldan 10g2x Sign of Fusion - Eldan 30g2x Starshard 70stotal 41g58s1x Tech Leather (Outfitter)3x Augmented Leather 54s5x Sign of Logic - Eldan 12g50s2x Sign of Fusion - Eldan 30g2x Primal Pelt 58stotal 43g62s1x Corium Acceleron (Weaponsmith)4x Galactium Chunk 88s5x Sign of Earth - Eldan 45g2x Sign of Fusion - Eldan 30g1x Eldan Acceleron 37stotal 76g25sTotal 2p4g74s let's call it 2 platinum.
A few things stand out upon review:.1. Based on the current vender and commodity exchange prices the minimum cost to create the REF is ~2 plat.2. The REF requires 8 Eldan- Fusions.3. The REF requires 5 Eldan- Earths.More on the above later...There are 12 pieces of equipped gear that contain rune slots. 11 will have four rune slots an average (with Drop 3). The 12th piece of gear, the gadget, will still be limited to two rune slots. There will certainly be exceptions to these numbers as some gear will have 5-6 slots, others will have 3 slots.Let’s assume a toon will have 46 rune slots on average. Anticipate 1/3 of those slots will want/need to be rerolled for min-maxing. We’re looking at an average of each toon needing 15 REFs (.33*46=15).To be ultra conservative let us suppose that only players who are raiding are going to want to reroll rune slots. Let’s also guestimate that there are 15 faction guilds currently raiding on the server. This will mean that a minimum of 300 toons (15*20) will need 15 REFs each; a total of 4,500 REFs.There will be a rush on the market when REFs become available. The raiding player base will want to reroll runes. A conservative estimate is that we’re looking at a need of 4,500 REFs at release of Drop 3.Fusion EldansEach REF requires 8 Eldan Fusions to craft. Assuming 4,500 EEFs, this means that 36,000 Eldan Fusions are needed. Over the past week, there’s been an average of 350 Eldan Fusions listed per day on the commodity exchange (CX). Many people are holding on to Fusion Eldans in anticipation of Drop 3, just how many Fusion Eldans are out there in peoples inventories is hard to guess, but even anticipating 10% of those raiding have 100 Eldan Fusions in their inventory only yields 3,000 Eldan Fusions.There are three viable farm spots for Eldan Fusions . Each spot drops 10-15 Fusions an hour. 24 hours of continuous farming will yield 1,080 Fusion Eldans server wide (assuming no phasing). Best case scenario is that all these Fusions are posted on the CX. Unfortunately even taking into account the amount estimated to be in people’s inventories, we’re still looking at least one full month after Drop 3 for there to be enough available Eldan Fusions in order to craft the anticipated demand of REFs.Eldan Fusions may be a bottleneck.Eldan EarthsEach REF requires 5 Eldan Earths to craft. Assuming 4,500 EEFs, this means that 22,500 Eldan Earths are needed. Over the past week, there’s been an average of 150 Eldan Earths listed on the commodity exchange (CX). Unlike with Eldan Fusions, people are not stocking up on Eldan Earths.There are no high drop rate farm spots for Eldan Earths. Best places are likely the Shards of Aggregor in Crimson Badlands and Augmented Soldiers in Northern Wastes. Drop rates are atrocious, expect ~5 per hour.I don’t anticipate there ever being enough Eldan Earths to meet demand. They will be a bottleneck.ConclusionThe above doesn’t take into account all the other items that the Eldan Fusions and Earths are needed for. Nor does it take into account that Eldan Fusions are needed for the more powerful rune sets.2 platinum, plus the automatic 12% mark up to cover the CX tax for the Runic Elemental Flux would be the ideal price. This won’t happen. Prices are likely to start at 4plat and only go up from there as the Eldan Fusion and Earth signs are depleted (especially the Earths).There may be merit in an argument that Drop 3 also brings a rework to salvaging that allows a greater chance to drop runes and signs, however it unlikely to make significant difference.
 
What are your thoughts? Am I way off base with the numbers above?
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The above quote prior to OP quote gives excellent idea of what we are to expect to happen. That original topic can be found here
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/116925-impact-of-runic-elemental-flux/?p=1216706
 
 
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Of course, if you'd read a little further down on that thread, you might have noted this post a little further down it here. That post notes that the analysis you quoted assumes only 1/craft, while the output on the PTR is 4/craft. Not rebutted there, not even mentioned here.
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			There will still not be enough Eldan Earths, even with 4x elemental fluxes per craft. Eldan Fusion will fair better because they can be farmed at a good drop rate in many locations....eldan earths cannot.	
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There will still not be enough Eldan Earths, even with 4x elemental fluxes per craft. Eldan Fusion will fair better because they can be farmed at a good drop rate in many locations....eldan earths cannot.
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			Shard of Aggregor has a 2.5% drop rate according to jabbithole.com. I tried farming the location a few days ago and can confirm that the 2.5% drop rate is likely the case because with a couple hours of farming only 7 Eldan Earths dropped. 	
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Shard of Aggregor has a 2.5% drop rate according to jabbithole.com. I tried farming the location a few days ago and can confirm that the 2.5% drop rate is likely the case because with a couple hours of farming only 7 Eldan Earths dropped. 
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Sorry, was thinking of a different sign when I responded. I farmed them before Megaservers when things were dead (between 0001-2359 EDT), but I'm afraid to go back since the Great Migration. 
 
It's important to note that salvaging may or may not yield good results. 
On the PTR I salvaged 20 level 50 Superb quality weapons (epic). I received 6 worthless rune set runes, 24 power cores of various strengths, 8 augmented rune fragments, about 5 or so other rune fragments, 1 SoF-Eldan, 1 SoW-Eldan.
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To be expected.
 
Though there are more rolls against the loot table when salvaging gear with the upcoming Drop 3, the crit chance (chance to get good runes, signs, etc...) has been decreased. Addtionally the loot table has been expanded, so a wide variety of loot exists. 
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