122534-dont-be-a-gear-snob

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The institution of the Glory vendor and the daily quests means more raid geared people are doing Dungeons and Adventures.
 
Some people need to chill out on critiquing other people's gear.
 
Adventures for instance are intended for people that are barely level 50 with crafted gear.   If someone comes in with crafted gear, deal with it.   You don't need GA or DS gear to run adventures. 	
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I agree with you whole heatedly. Unfortunately, not a whole lot that can be done about that besides coping with it. Some people just need the extra boost in self-confidence of feeling superior over virtual gear. Think of coping as doing charity for emotionally deficient individuals.
 
Thankfully, it is the vast minority of raid geared people that do this. 	
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Agreed. Unfortunately elitism in general is, and always has been, an ugly side of MMO's.
 
Internet anonymity has a tendency to turn people into complete doorknobs. But, hey, there's always shiphands. ;D	
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Yep and if you have all crafted gear you are probably over geared for adventures, and right on par for dungeons if you have runes. Raid gear makes you over geared for anything except raids. 
 
On the plus side I healed STL for the first time on my brand new 50 esper and having a raid geared tank certainly helped we missed gold by 200 points and had no deaths and no one sent me a whisper about my gear.
 
Sp there are good people queuing you just have to hope you get lucky. 	
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			I would just like to add in the other side of the spectrum. I went into dungeons as a fresh fifty with only a few crafted pieces and the group i got ran me through ultimate protogames. Not one person said anything or had a problem with me. But i have also been in groups were other people get kicked at the drop of a hat. It's the luck of the draw on people really. 	
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			Was this for a premade group or a dungeon finder group? if it was a dungeon finder group i dunno maybe see if it falls under harassment cause i think it is wrong for this to happen there.  If it was a premade group then the person leading it can have whatever criteria they want for entry into that group.  Usually when people form a premade and they set gear or skill requirements well above what the instance needs it is because they are looking for a farm run that can be done in one shot, and they need gear as a crutch.  There are ways around this of course--join a guild or get a close circle of friends (preferably one that has at least 1 good tank and 1 good healer) and form your own premades with your own set of entry requirements.  And if you dont know how then learn...	
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			Just click on those people and type /laugh	
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Your town, your work place, or even your street, think of all the people you like or don't! All these type of people play MMO's....just need to find the right sort.	
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			I don't know who does this, but take this advice to heart.  Remember what it was like when these new and undergeared players weren't here, and queues NEVER popped.  Always keep in perspective that people aren't disposable.  I'm all for giving advice, but make sure you're very careful with how you give it and respect every player as best you can.  We're all, every single one of us, still learning something.	
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I tend to help everyone (tips and more) while doing dungeons with new ppl or less geared but getting yelled at while doing only auto attacks and still stealing aggro? (tried EVERYTHING to not steal aggro).
 
Usually most are nice and look at it differently and actually trying harder to keep aggro (like you should!), but from time to time we are being punished for being more geared and it can cause problems.
 
The only reason I still do dungeons from time to time is because when Datascape 20 came, me and alot of other people left without a guild (used to be in Codex), and im fully DS geared so its a bit overgeared for adventures, dungeons and even GA.
 
What the guy above described is not elitism, sometimes people doesn't want to listen and actually do what we are trying to teach them from self experience s.	
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I tend to help everyone (tips and more) while doing dungeons with new ppl or less geared but getting yelled at while doing only auto attacks and still stealing aggro? (tried EVERYTHING to not steal aggro).
 
Usually most are nice and look at it differently and actually trying harder to keep aggro (like you should!), but from time to time we are being punished for being more geared and it can cause problems.
 
What the guy above described is not elitism, sometimes people doesn't want to listen and actually do what we are trying to teach them from self experience s.
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The dungeons are a good source for glory which can be used to upgrade previous set items from GA and DS, I don't see anything wrong going to a dungeon and just to enjoy the game while not raiding, am I allowed just to enjoy the game?
I'm no odd duck, on the contrary, people should be happy that they have an experienced player to learn from and get advices.	
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The dungeons are a good source for glory which can be used to upgrade previous set items from GA and DS, I don't see anything wrong going to a dungeon and just to enjoy the game while not raiding, am I allowed just to enjoy the game?
I'm no odd duck, on the contrary, people should be happy that they have an experienced player to learn from and get advices.
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I think he's saying you're probably not the problem, since you realize that.
 
He's more likely referring to people raging over a wipe and blaming someone else's gear setup.  I would wager that what he's talking about is not constructive advice from an experienced player.
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With my current gaming schedule and change of faction I haven't got into any group content except some shiphands with my wife, but saddens me to read this.
Looks like elitism tends to hit Wildstar from every side with rudeness and lack of patience.That's the main reason why it's so hard to convince the wife to get into some dungeons and adventures. (Not everyone has a thick skin and can have fun around rude people)
Elitism (in most forms) sucks and ruins the game for most people.	
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With my current gaming schedule and change of faction I haven't got into any group content except some shiphands with my wife, but saddens me to read this.
Looks like elitism tends to hit Wildstar from every side with rudeness and lack of patience.That's the main reason why it's so hard to convince the wife to get into some dungeons and adventures. (Not everyone has a thick skin and can have fun around rude people)
Elitism (in most forms) sucks and ruins the game for most people.
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Pricks are a small percentage of the Wildstar population.  I'd like to think smaller than the other MMORPGs I've played.
 
But when you queue solo, you roll the dice for times to test for asshattery.  The odds of avoiding it slim over time.  Someone, somewhere, is just going to leave a bad taste in your mouth.
 
An automated group finder is, essentially, people RNG.  Sometimes, you roll the dice and you lose.
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Haha so true.
Still, while pricks can be a minority they do fill more space than your non-prick player.
A couple of bad RNG Rolls on Group Finder can deter someone from clicking that button again.
 
I know that guild runs are preferable but that's not the issue here. On a perfect world, Guild or Group Finder groups should be, above anything else, fun.
 
Wildstar style of dungeons makes people less certain of their skills kinda scared after a couple of bad experiences. It's way too easy to fail if you're not experienced and it's way too easy to get demotivated if you have a group with rudeness as it's MO.
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All dungeons in an automated group finder have that effect, though.  The way other games tend to deal with it is by making the content so inconsequential that communication or learning of any kind is completely unnecessary.  I'd rather that not be the case; that's half the reason I'm in Wildstar right now.
 
In a perfect world, people are always decent.  But this is an MMORPG, those first three letters mean that the people can't be separated without painting the game beige.  Whenever you play with someone else, there is a chance they'll ruin your good time, and if you're doing it at random, you're throwing caution to the winds.  I've used DF in WoW and I wouldn't consider it a way to find better group experiences.  At best, it made me feel like I wasn't in a group, with entire raids essentially soloing their own roles without thinking of anything else.  At worst, it made me wish I wasn't in a group, because a wipe in a DF raid tended to get ugly fast.
 
In Wildstar, the possibility of dying is higher, but so seems to be the tolerance for learning.  Hell, we were wiping on a normal Mordechai last night over and over while people learned the disco inferno.  We had a great time!  There's no logical reason this wouldn't work in a PUG, it's just not as common because you only need 1/5 of your group to be "that guy".   That guy can make your experience miserable, especially if they're tanking or healing, thus not a dime a dozen.
 
The OP, though, is talking about a pretty specific case that needs to be publicly addressed for the sake of the community.  There's giving advice, then there's the kind of person in the GF using people essentially as tissues.  The people who teach, who tell people how to gear later and how to hopefully survive now, they're great and can make an experience better for a player learning the ropes.  But this isn't about them, it's about the guy who, after a wipe, starts checking gear on the person dying most often and starts railing on them for not knowing what to do.
 
That needs to stop, no matter what game it's in.
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To play the devils advocate slighty, I think that there is a difference between being a dick about it and letting players know that their gear and prepareness.
 
If you come into a dungeon in crafted blues, You have shown that you have put some effort in. Even if you don't know the fights, I am more than happy to help you learn them.
 
If you come in with questing greens and 1500 AP, then even if you say you want to learn the fights, you haven't put in the forward effort of either crafting gear or running adventures to get a level of gear that you need to succeed in vet dungeons. You haven't put in the effort prior, and you are asking me to put that effort in for you (is how I see it)
 
I am more than happy to run dungeons with new people, even in pugs, I just want to see that they have put in a little effort themselves. And even if they don't have gear that is up to snuff, you don't have to be a dick about it. You can quietly let them know that their gear is not quite there rather than railing on them in a dungeon.	
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To play the devils advocate slighty, I think that there is a difference between being a dick about it and letting players know that their gear and prepareness.
 
If you come into a dungeon in crafted blues, You have shown that you have put some effort in. Even if you don't know the fights, I am more than happy to help you learn them.
 
If you come in with questing greens and 1500 AP, then even if you say you want to learn the fights, you haven't put in the forward effort of either crafting gear or running adventures to get a level of gear that you need to succeed in vet dungeons. You haven't put in the effort prior, and you are asking me to put that effort in for you (is how I see it)
 
I am more than happy to run dungeons with new people, even in pugs, I just want to see that they have put in a little effort themselves. And even if they don't have gear that is up to snuff, you don't have to be a dick about it. You can quietly let them know that their gear is not quite there rather than railing on them in a dungeon.
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I am more than happy to run dungeons with new people, even in pugs, I just want to see that they have put in a little effort themselves. And even if they don't have gear that is up to snuff, you don't have to be a dick about it. You can quietly let them know that their gear is not quite there rather than railing on them in a dungeon.
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Criticizing gear for adventures is lame.
 
OTOH, going into vet dungeons undergeared is also lame (I don't meant you need raid gear- but you should have a good amount of adventure gear and be runed out).
 
Realizing that your group won't be able to get down Stormtalon because you can't pull 6.5K group dps isn't fun. I never want to be that guy complaining about other people's gear, but when the gear level makes the instance undoable it becomes a waste of time.	
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Oh, and for the record I've seen far less of this kind of thing than I saw in WoW.
 
And almost all of the DS people I've even been in pugs with have been cool. Though I was probably mostly irrelevant to them- haha.	
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			I don't play with gear snobs.  I'm a freaking DPS-geared medic with a support-centric LAS 2, and I spent my weekend keeping full parties alive in Vet Shiphands without one death (and if you think that's lightweight stuff, you should play with the spellslinger I kept winding up with... dude had a death wish and wouldn't stop spamming his builder).  If you're gonna judge me for not having ANY insight on my gear EVEN THOUGH I can heal like a maniac, then I ain't gonna pick you up off the floor when some Prime pastes you.	
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The institution of the Glory vendor and the daily quests means more raid geared people are doing Dungeons and Adventures.
 
Some people need to chill out on critiquing other people's gear.
 
Adventures for instance are intended for people that are barely level 50 with crafted gear.   If someone comes in with crafted gear, deal with it.   You don't need GA or DS gear to run adventures. 
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I don't play with gear snobs.  I'm a freaking DPS-geared medic with a support-centric LAS 2, and I spent my weekend keeping full parties alive in Vet Shiphands without one death.  If you're gonna judge me for not having ANY insight on my gear EVEN THOUGH I can heal like a maniac, then I ain't gonna pick you up off the floor when some Prime pastes you.
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Don't you mean vet adventures over vet shiphands, since that really isn't a feat...
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The institution of the Glory vendor and the daily quests means more raid geared people are doing Dungeons and Adventures.
 
Some people need to chill out on critiquing other people's gear.
 
Adventures for instance are intended for people that are barely level 50 with crafted gear.   If someone comes in with crafted gear, deal with it.   You don't need GA or DS gear to run adventures. 
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In 8 months of playing and doing 100s and 100's of group content... I've not heard a single person complain about another players gear (pvp boosters aside)
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In 8 months of playing and doing 100s and 100's of group content... I've not heard a single person complain about another players gear (pvp boosters aside)
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You think I'd make this thread for some slight I merely imagined? I've had friends get crapped on by people doing adventures for their gear, which is definitely sufficient for Adventures. Following them getting kicked or vote disbanded I've taken them back into the adventures with other people in dungeon gear at best and completed it no problem.
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Criticizing gear for adventures is lame.
 
OTOH, going into vet dungeons undergeared is also lame (I don't meant you need raid gear- but you should have a good amount of adventure gear and be runed out).
 
Realizing that your group won't be able to get down Stormtalon because you can't pull 6.5K group dps isn't fun. I never want to be that guy complaining about other people's gear, but when the gear level makes the instance undoable it becomes a waste of time.
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Not to say your friend's didn't tell you that... but I'm sure if they were kicked from a group it had less to do with gear and more to do with either lack of skill or social skills. IE being a jerk and/or rolling need on everything. We'll never know cause we weren't there but I'm tending to lean toward he was probably a jerk
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Not to say your friend's didn't tell you that... but I'm sure if they were kicked from a group it had less to do with gear and more to do with either lack of skill or social skills. IE rolling need on everything. We'll never know cause we weren't there. 3rd party information is often times extremely inaccurate
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Reread my post. Any 'easy' content can become a huge pain when one players it a total nitwit.
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There's a difference between having fresh 50 gear/crafted (totally fine, everyone starts somewhere) and having total junk with empty slots, gear for other classes, etc. I've been seeing a lot of that lately. Just the other day I saw a SS with 600ap in vet SSM. That's NOT okay. It's not about not about being a gear snob, it's expecting people to have gear appropriate for the content they're attempting. Yes I'm sure a lot of new people have no idea at what gear level they can attempt X content without being a huge drag on the team, but that's where I'm going to step in and go "hey man, your gear is all sorts of terrible, you're doing less DPS than the tank, loop back to shiphands/adventures/crafted before you come into dungeons". And I'm not the bad guy for saying it.
 
That goes for builds too, I've seen a lot of headscratcher builds the last few weeks, I'm talking warriors not using rampage, or rampage without any of the CDR abilities (he never pulled over 500dps the whole dungeon) SS not using any finishers, just QD and wild barrage etc etc. I'm going to (politely) say something. And if said person doesn't respond, perhaps initiate a VK if nothing improves.
 
That said I've literally never seen someone get kicked for gear alone, only performance relative to gear and attitude. If you can pull DPS appropriate for your gear level, and are open to learn, you'll be fine. But that seems too much to ask anymore.
 
And @Abn, what crazy group were you running with that was crapping on someone for having 2500ap (again, I've never seen anything like that before)? Was the guy pulling trash numbers or something?	
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And @Abn, what crazy group were you running with that was crapping on someone for having 2500ap (again, I've never seen anything like that before)? Was the guy pulling trash numbers or something?
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