Report 676

Report #676
Skillset: Influence Skill: Amnesty
 Org: Harbingers Status: Completed Aug 2011
Furies' Decision:
We believe that amnesty should be extremely difficult against higher level mobs,
and therefore achievable only by the best influencers. That said, we will look
into approving solution 3.
Problem: With the changes to the denizen ego levels, it has become more
difficult to gain amnesty via influence against the game's more challenging
denizens. It is actually impossible for those with anything but the highest
charisma (23+) and ego regeneration buffs to successfully influence several
important denizens at all, and even at the top success is not guaranteed.
Presently there are no buffs for amnesty type influence in the game beyond
Sacraments Emmisary (given to classes that are not particularly predisposed to
have the high charisma to make use of it), and Quietmind (hefty weight ascendant
power).
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Give an ability similar to Emmisary to bards in the
 Music skill, or else higher up in their respective
 music specs (the same way DischordantChord, Refrain,
 etc. are present in each)
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Give a song effect which provides a boost to amnesty
 influence while played to each of the music specs
 (similar to the way the damage buff songs are present
 in each).
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Add a performance type ability (similar to vagabond,
 sycophant, etc.) to Dramatics between Mythical and
 Trans which works for amnesty type influence.
Player Comments:
---[Talan on 8/11 @ 14:56 writes]:
I really do think there's a need for a buff here to put influence amnesty in
reach for a larger percentage of the playerbase. Bards seem to me to be the
natural choice, as they are inclined to have upper end charisma to make use of
it, and thematically it fits that they would have the elegant speaking skill
required to parley easier. Solution 3 on the other hand would flesh out
dramatics at the high end, where it's a bit light in terms of usefulness beyond
the vagabond ability.
---[Viynain on 8/11 @ 21:08 writes]:
I definitely agree with the notion that higher-level amnesty influencing can
pretty much be a pain for the folk outside of the 23+ CHA level bracket. I
myself sit around the 21 level and get stopped by a number of the leaders, so I
wouldn't mind seeing the third solution for selfish reasons. I've no problem
with solution one or two though, and think that solution two would be an
interesting take on influencing buffs.
---[Inagin on 8/12 @ 02:26 writes]:
I prefer amnesty influencing to be adjusted to be the same as it was in the past
than to introduce new abilities to make it even barely feasible for those with
maxed out charisma.
---[Iytha on 8/12 @ 03:18 writes]:
I am confused as to why the solution to "amnesty is too difficult" is to make
bards (and only bards) better at amnesty influencing. Solution 3 is pretty
reasonable, but the most straightforward solution would be to just make amnesty
more effective in general, either by increasing the amount of ego damage it does
againt denizens directly, or by introducing a secondary (and possibly tertiary)
amnesty influence skill.
---[Janalon on 8/12 @ 04:44 writes]:
Solutions 1 & 2 makes sense from a thematic standpoint, but I cannot agree with
the mechanics of bolstering bard amnesty influencing. I support solution 3.
---[Nydekion on 8/12 @ 06:42 writes]:
Amnesty influencing has certainly become a problem with the denizen ego level
changes, however, this is a problem experienced by everyone across the board and
not merely by bards. I feel the amnesty attack itself should just get a
percentage boost in damage to make it approximately equivalent to amnesty
influencing before the latest denizen review over the proposed solutions.
---[Talan on 8/12 @ 17:11 writes]:
Well, I'll stand corrected if the furies' decision goes that way, but I wasn't
left with the impression that reverting to the old way was on the table. Making
influence more difficult across the board has left room for additional buffs,
like those recently given to families. Amnesty type influence buff has always
been rare, and I feel that any of the solutions would generally preserve that. I
don't think a bards-only boost would be inappropriate at all, but if you have
that concern consider that there is room in solution 2 to share the effect with
an ally, or the buff could be made generally available to those who bother to
learn higher skill in dramatics (solution 3).
---[Nydekion on 8/12 @ 18:49 writes]:
Amnesty-type influencing was already difficult on higher-end leaders before the
change unlike most of the normal day-to-day influencing. If anything happens to
amnesty, it really should be something that benefits everyone instead of being
the sole province of a particular archetype (mostly because I don't feel it
makes rp sense outside of normally high charisma for a bard to be a better
negotiator than other classes). Personally, I just don't see the point in adding
another attitude into dramatics when the crux of the issue is that amnesty
influencing a fair bit too difficult for high-end leaders (Cthloggog, Maeve, etc
become fairly uninfluencable via amnesty if under 23 charisma, for instance).
---[Morbo on 8/13 @ 14:44 writes]:
I agree that something needs to be done to make higher end amnesty influencing
easier, however I disagree with resolving it only for bards when the system as a
whole needs a look
---[Raeri on 8/26 @ 09:37 writes]:
Could split it into multiple amnesty types, like how all other types of
influence have the 3.