123713-whats-the-actual-population-game-rl-numbers

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			Im think of coming back and subbin but need to know how populated it really is or just go back to Skyforge Ive had subbed since June 2014 left of Dec 2014 but bought 6 months sub that ends this March	
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Im think of coming back and subbin but need to know how populated it really is or just go back to Skyforge Ive had subbed since June 2014 left of Dec 2014 but bought 6 months sub that ends this March
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Most games are pretty tight lipped with actual numbers, if you're looking for hard zeros and ones.
 
My suggestion would be to take the 10 day trial, like I did. Roll on the PvE server for your region; Entity for NA and Jabbit for EU.  If you're inclined to roll a PvP server, then for the foreseeable you'll be unhappy with the population.
 
I'm currently on Entity's Exile side and it feels populated to me. In lower level zones like Celestion and Algoroc, I see a few players regularly when they used to be ghost towns. In Thayd, I avoid Academy Corner because there is actually TOO MANY people around. Not a complaint, this is a good thing.
 
I won't speak on queues or anything like that, since I avoid them like the plague.	
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			ok will do either way 70 dlrs wont affect my wallet one bit more like 70 cents ty	
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			i would say about 1000 players online on Entity in average. maybe 2500 in primetime (but that might be pushing it and it is probably lower).	
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i would say about 1000 players online on Entity in average. maybe 2500 in primetime (but that might be pushing it and it is probably lower).
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What time CST would be Primetime
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i would say about 1000 players online on Entity in average. maybe 2500 in primetime (but that might be pushing it and it is probably lower).
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			Seems like there are only a few hundred who actually play the game at least on the exile side on entity. Can't comment on dom. 	
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Seems like there are only a few hundred who actually play the game at least on the exile side on entity. Can't comment on dom. 
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There are usually probably 200 people just milling around Academy Corner and it's associated guild and crafting areas on primetime on Entity.  Just Academy Corner.
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Are we playing the same game? 
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			Why are so many people intent on trying to convince people that there is no population?  I have never had any issues whatsoever finding people to do things for any activity I choose to partake in.  Even queuing as a dps for veteran dungeons isn't that bad, and there are people all over the place.  What is this inherent desire to drive people away from a game using numbers that are 100% made up.  I don't care if somebody doesn't find any particular game enjoyable, but I would NEVER try to tell somebody to not bother with a game, intentionally or otherwise.	
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Are you looking at your "nearby players" count there?  Yes.  I checked this weekend.
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I think Leylin is talking about right this second, while a majority of players are at work.
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Why are so many people intent on trying to convince people that there is no population?  I have never had any issues whatsoever finding people to do things for any activity I choose to partake in.  Even queuing as a dps for veteran dungeons isn't that bad, and there are people all over the place.  What is this inherent desire to drive people away from a game using numbers that are 100% made up.  I don't care if somebody doesn't find any particular game enjoyable, but I would NEVER try to tell somebody to not bother with a game, intentionally or otherwise.
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It's been known for a LONG time that the PvP servers are pretty much empty, I don't think that's up for disagreement.  We are talking about the PvE servers here.
 
As long as Carbine can pay the bills, and has NCSoft's backing (which it looks like they do from all reports), I will be happily involved with the planet Nexus.	
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It's been known for a LONG time that the PvP servers are pretty much empty, I don't think that's up for disagreement.  We are talking about the PvE servers here.
 
As long as Carbine can pay the bills, and has NCSoft's backing (which it looks like they do from all reports), I will be happily involved with the planet Nexus.
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last quarter they couldn't pay the bills though :I
And my stance is when servers hit such a black hole, they should be closed all together. Now they just look bad for anyone that will happen to free trial on them.
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			We are still talking about that quarterly report?	
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We are still talking about that quarterly report?
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I know, it's uncomfortable talking about  concrete metrics instead of spitballing and anecdotal observations.
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I know, it's uncomfortable talking about  concrete metrics instead of spitballing and anecdotal observations.
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The 4th quarter report is, IMO, useless as no one expected any sort of change until after Drop 4, which was in quarter 1 of this year. So yea, we can all agree last year did not go as well as anyone had hoped (except, I guess, those that like seeing games struggle), but that does not give us any certainty about what's going on now.
 
Obviously, people have different experiences. Some have trouble getting folks to play with. Others of us regularly have 25+ guild members online as well as more than that in friends lists and circles. Even at our lowest, I've never had an issue finding people to do groups or even world raids like R-12, Hellrose bowl or Defile events. It's all anecdotal and personal perspectives though.
 
At any rate, it's not my job to worry about the games financials, so I don't. I play because I have fun playing. I run a guild because I want to share that fun with others. We have a great community, so population is really not an issue for me or those in my guild. When I'm no longer having fun, I'll likely move onto other things. That being said, I'm more in love with Wildstar than I was at launch, so I see a pretty long road of playtime ahead for me :)
 
My best advice - play the games you enjoy with people you find fun to hang out and play with.	
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I think Leylin is talking about right this second, while a majority of players are at work.
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No I just typically always the see same people in thayd, dungeons, and pvp. Plus consider there are only like ~15 guilds on the exile side on entity now. So you're talking about a population of maybe 400-500 raiders. I can't imagine there are THAT many casuals. So I guess I'd up my estimate to say a few thousand players not a few hundred. However the amount of players who actually que dungeons and pvp is far smaller. 
 
Also to clarify, I'd like to see this game succeed as well, but it just seems like some of you have delusional beliefs about the size of the player base that hurt discussions about what needs to happen to fix things... Because right now the game is not in a good spot. 
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No I just typically always the see same people in thayd, dungeons, and pvp. Plus consider there are only like ~15 guilds on the exile side on entity now. So you're talking about a population of maybe 400-500 raiders. I can't imagine there are THAT many casuals. So I guess I'd up my estimate to say a few thousand players not a few hundred. However the amount of players who actually que dungeons and pvp is far smaller. 
 
Also to clarify, I'd like to see this game succeed as well, but it just seems like some of you have delusional beliefs about the size of the player base that hurt discussions about what needs to happen to fix things... Because right now the game is not in a good spot. 
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I would just like to know where you are getting any of your numbers.
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I was listing in my head all the guilds I could think of, which works on a server as small as entity. I checked here (http://www.wildstarlogs.com/servers/34/) and I'm counting 22 so I guess I missed a few. I think it's safe so say there's a max ~25 raiding guilds which still puts you around 500 raiders on the exile side. 
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I was listing in my head all the guilds I could think of, which works on a server as small as entity. I checked here (http://www.wildstarlogs.com/servers/34/) and I'm counting 22 so I guess I missed a few. I think it's safe so say there's a max ~25 raiding guilds which still puts you around 500 raiders on the exile side. 
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We don't all raid.
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Yes the population is low.
Yes leveling zones are pretty much dead. The chance of you getting into a BG or dungeon while leveling is close to 0%
Yes its hard finding groups for the 20 man stuff for reputation.
PvP queues are horrible still. And PvP is horrible at the moment.
Extreme lack of content outside of raiding and grinding dungeons/shiphands, also see below.
20-30%'ish of achivements are bugged or broken. 
 
Content updates got pushed to be every 3-4 month instead of every month as advertised prior to launch.
 
So why do people still defend wildstar?
 
Dungeons are challenging and awesome. Pretty decent queues now with the added rewards. Also people have now learned the game so its possible to PUG them and people don't tend to cry for nerfs anymore.
Raids are awesome, unless they keep nerfing them at the current rate.
Combat is the best in any MMO out there right now. Easy to understand and execute class mechanics because of the limited LAS.
Vet shiphands make for easy rune grind and a few gold here and there, plus easy renown farm for flask of speed.
Personal opinion: Subscription is awesome.	
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Yes the population is low.
Yes leveling zones are pretty much dead.
Yes its hard finding groups for the 20 man stuff for reputation. The chance of you getting into a BG or dungeon while leveling is close to 0%
PvP queues are horrible still. And PvP is horrible at the moment.
Extremely low content outside of raiding and grinding dungeons/shiphands, also see below.
20-30%'ish of achivements are bugged or broken. 
 
So why do people still defend wildstar?
 
Dungeons are challenging and awesine and pretty decent queues now with the added rewards. Also people have now learned the game so its possible to PUG them and people don't tend to cry for nerfs anymore.
Raids are awesome.
Combat is the best in any MMO out there right now.
Vet shiphands make for easy rune grind and a few gold here and there, plus easy renown farm for flask of speed.
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I for one would never play on a PvE server. The no-pvp flag is not natural and shouldn't be there. It takes away so much from the game I cannot even fathom why some people are ok with it.
 
I'm not saying I like being ganked, but the game is much more exciting and fun knowing you could always meet the opposing faction - and then it's either fight or flight - sometimes firendly too.
 
The best memories I have from WoW are from open world opposite faction encounters. I would never give that up. I just took the trial and went on PvP Luminai (EU). It's as dead as a server can be. I do a /who every now and then and I've never, ever seen more than 19 players online in the same time - in Illium.
 
I have met a total of 3 players of my faction in 7 days of playing and none of the opposite faction.
 
Even so - I just bought the game today, to continue playing. Because I love the game. When I get to 50... we'll see. I'll re-roll another alt, and another, and another. Until I get bored. Then I leave.
 
It's either a PvP server, or ping-pong with my niece - since even that would be more exciting than the soccer mom approach to a PvE server where you have your own little bubble where nobody can touch you and the factions mean absolutely nothing anymore.	
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I've noticed the exact opposite, as of late when it comes to the bolded red. With the case of the latter, when I play my lowbie alts at 4am EST, from time to time, I still run in to people and see names on the nearby players list. Sure it's not like 50 people, but it's still funny to see people at such an odd hour.
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I understand that but if you told me there were more than 500 non-raiders who spend a decent amount of time in game I'd think you were crazy. 
 
 
 
 
It's accurate enough. Apply common sense of course. 
 
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Problem is that I am fully bis geared  (Item level 79 PvE) so I am pretty much *cupcake*ed unless I destroy all my PvE gear. My gearscore ruins the queue for me and every other DS geared player. And yes you might see a player here and there while leveling, especially with the new 10 day trial. But its by no means a flushering leveling experience you get.
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But most raiders aren't full DS geared. Let alone have killed System Daemons (the first boss in DS, for you non-raiders) since DS was reduced to 20 man. I'd wager it's like, 1% of raiders that are in your position. At best. So you're in the minority of a minority.
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So you feel its okay the 1%(its more actually, a lot more raiding DS) that raids DS and plays the game the most should be punished if they wanted to dive into a battleground/arena?
 
Yes, makes perfect sense. Lets dismish the problem and close our eyes.
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Practice PVP shouldn't be taking your gear into account anymore if you wanted to dive into it.
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Im think of coming back and subbin but need to know how populated it really is or just go back to Skyforge Ive had subbed since June 2014 left of Dec 2014 but bought 6 months sub that ends this March
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So you feel its okay the 1%(its more actually, a lot more raiding DS) that raids DS and plays the game the most should be punished if they wanted to dive into a battleground/arena?
 
Yes, makes perfect sense. Lets dismish the problem and close our eyes.
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PvP queues are horrible still. And PvP is horrible at the moment. 
 
So why do people still defend wildstar?
 
Dungeons are challenging and awesome. Pretty decent queues now with the added rewards. Also people have now learned the game so its possible to PUG them and people don't tend to cry for nerfs anymore.
Raids are awesome, unless they keep nerfing them at the current rate.
Combat is the best in any MMO out there right now. Easy to understand and execute class mechanics because of the limited LAS.
Vet shiphands make for easy rune grind and a few gold here and there, plus easy renown farm for flask of speed.
Personal opinion: Subscription is awesome.
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All I can say is this.
 
On jabbit EU, no matter the time of the day, I do not get a BG pop until at least 13 minutes has past. Its the lowest I have experience the last week that I remember. I thought it was because of my gearscore being retarded, but Van tells me it shouldnt matter in practice battlegrounds. So I don't know what is going on.	
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How accurate is that list, since they have guilds like Crimson Cross listed as both active and inactive?
 
(One is has "the" in the title, but they both link to the same guild.)
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Foreword:  I have not read all of the thread.
 
I personally hope Carbine doesn't release the server population numbers simply because I know a LOT of doomsaying forumgoers would use the data as a shield for their argument.  People are STILL hiding behind "BUT THE Q4 2014 REPORT!"
 
Don't ask, don't tell.  We don't need yet another thing for people to cite when bashing Carbine or the game itself.	
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All I can say is this.
 
On jabbit EU, no matter the time of the day, I do not get a BG pop until at least 13 minutes has past. Its the lowest I have experience the last week that I remember. I thought it was because of my gearscore being retarded, but Van tells me it shouldnt matter in practice battlegrounds. So I don't know what is going on.
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Foreword:  I have not read all of the thread.
 
I personally hope Carbine doesn't release the server population numbers simply because I know a LOT of doomsaying forumgoers would use the data as a shield for their argument.  People are STILL hiding behind "BUT THE Q4 2014 REPORT!"
 
Don't ask, don't tell.  We don't need yet another thing for people to cite when bashing Carbine or the game itself.
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We wouldn't want people to have access to information now would we, those peasants can get unruly. I'd much rather have solid numbers than "X feels dead, where is everyone, why are Qs taking so long" blah blah blah. Suppressing game health info from people who care, just because you're afraid haters (who will always have something to complain about) will use it to do what they're doing anyways...
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Your queue times are long @ i79 because the matchmaking still takes gear into account--- but not as harshly.
 
You will get pops, eventually, but the matchmaking doesn't want to pair a 200+ gearscore, mega geared healslinger with a 140 gearscore newb if it doesn't have to.  They just increased the rate at which the boundaries expand so that bg pops are more frequent.
 
When the rallying comes into effect, it will balance your gear downward, so that each fight you won't have such a significant advantage.  You shouldn't be having long queue times once your gear ilvl is rallied down.
 
I don't really think it's fair that you have longer queue times because your gear is so much better, just like I don't think it's fair that I have longer queue times because my rating is higher in rated, etc.  I just think its a consequence of the population, and it will get better in drop 5	
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I'm fine with 'haters' as long as they're not flooding the forums with endless posts about how the game is dead, or how no one plays, or how the Q4 2014 report showed that WS is sinking.
 
I get it.
 
We get it.
 
Carbine gets it.
 
We all @#$%ing get it.
 
If the doomsaying posts weren't as damn frequent, I'd totally agree with you.  As of right now, releasing that kind of information will just lead to more whining and moaning.  The last thing this forum needs is to give people beating the dead horse a shiny new stick with which to do it.
 
... also, are you really comparing me saying "don't encourage the trolls" to oppressing peasants?  Seriously?
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I think the point CunningLinguist was trying to make is that knowing the real numbers, instead of sticking your head in the sand and pretending everything is fine, or conversely using old info such as Q4 numbers or anecdotal evidence is the best way to actually have a meaning discussion.
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Don't quite understand why people put so much stock in Carbine's numbers. If you're playing the game and having fun, why does it matter?
 
Heck, even if Carbine did release that info (most likely not going to happen), it wouldn't change anything.	
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I'm on jabbit eu and my longest queue time has been 20minutes and that was at 4am :P
 
Instant queues most of the time. So I'm not entirely sure what your problem might be. Other exiles have been telling me the same so... maybe just too big of an imbalance between exile and dommy now... we get instant pops you guys have to wait turns to fight us :P
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Nope dungeon queue times are pretty quick too.
 
Probably not as quick as exile side but quick enough.	
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I'm on jabbit eu and my longest queue time has been 20minutes and that was at 4am :P
 
Instant queues most of the time. So I'm not entirely sure what your problem might be. Other exiles have been telling me the same so... maybe just too big of an imbalance between exile and dommy now... we get instant pops you guys have to wait turns to fight us :P
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We can, we just haven't joined in yet for other reasons. Mostly not knowing the solid times for things, but now that we know the times they will be queueing and things, we can probably join in.
 
Dominion isn't that dire, but we certainly don't copulate as much as aurin it would seem c:	
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