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			Tried to come back and play. Liked what I read about etc but I'm done with failed game launches. WoW lost me the same way. Good luck on the future Carbine. Maybe if you get it together I'll take another look but first impressions matter and yours is complete arse.	
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			Expectations can be our worst enemy.  :ph34r:	
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just try it next week, all will be alright.  ;)
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	Edited September 30, 2015 by Linot	
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			Today sucked. I'm not sure why, but it was worse than normal launch day problems in the industry. That said, a week from now I doubt there will be any problem logging in.
			
				
	Edited September 30, 2015 by Lovecraft_Jones	
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			It's honestly one of the worst "launches" I've ever seen. Only being beaten by their first -actual- launch of this game a year ago. God that was a mess.	
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Tried to come back and play. Liked what I read about etc but I'm done with failed game launches. WoW lost me the same way. Good luck on the future Carbine. Maybe if you get it together I'll take another look but first impressions matter and yours is complete arse.
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It's honestly one of the worst "launches" I've ever seen. Only being beaten by their first -actual- launch of this game a year ago. God that was a mess.
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			I'm hoping they can get rid of the lag by the weekend when a lot more new people are going to be playing. The queues aren't that terrible, I usually watch a Simpson episode and I'm in. But when you get in, that lag makes the game annoying to play (even on Warhound, though it's not as bad Entity). Please Carbine, give Cougar some coke and get these servers running smoothly. 	
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Tried to come back and play. Liked what I read about etc but I'm done with failed game launches. WoW lost me the same way. Good luck on the future Carbine. Maybe if you get it together I'll take another look but first impressions matter and yours is complete arse.
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It's honestly one of the worst "launches" I've ever seen. Only being beaten by their first -actual- launch of this game a year ago. God that was a mess.
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			While you may not like it, this is one of the smoothest relaunches I've ever seen. ARR was effectively unplayable for a week and ended up needing 10 hour maintainence runs. SWTOR wasn't much better when it went F2P. They both would have taken Queues, lag, and some minor guild function issues over the cupcake storms they had any day.	
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			No company can maintain a perfect 24/7 uptime. There will always be unforeseen problems. Thankfully these problems have been rather minor in comparison to what I have seen other game companies have to deal with.	
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No company can maintain a perfect 24/7 uptime. There will always be unforeseen problems. Thankfully these problems have been rather minor in comparison to what I have seen other game companies have to deal with.
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I'm pretty sure this is worse. It only took them, what was it, 10 of 12 hours to get out from under that DDOS attack on launch day? Less than a day, I know that. Symptoms were the same, too, so this is just like launch, only it's going on for longer.
 
It's not the end of the world, and things happen, and I don't have any demands, and I'm not going anywhere. But let's not make light of this; this is pretty bad.
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I'm pretty sure this is worse. It only took them, what was it, 10 of 12 hours to get out from under that DDOS attack on launch day? Less than a day, I know that. Symptoms were the same, too, so this is just like launch, only it's going on for longer.
 
It's not the end of the world, and things happen, and I don't have any demands, and I'm not going anywhere. But let's not make light of this; this is pretty bad.
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While you may not like it, this is one of the smoothest relaunches I've ever seen. ARR was effectively unplayable for a week and ended up needing 10 hour maintainence runs. SWTOR wasn't much better when it went F2P. They both would have taken Queues, lag, and some minor guild function issues over the cupcake storms they had any day.
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Ever since F2P became a thing, more and more gamers have been turning into entitled children who feel like the world owes them something and that nothing should ever go wrong on "their" time. Everything should be perfect all the time or else they have the "right" to complain and feel vindicated while adding nothing constructive at all.
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			How can anyone say this was a "smooth" launch/relaunch? The lag makes the game unplayable, HOW is that acceptable?	
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			I love you Lovecraft_Jones	
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You know what the funny part is? I actually remember someone saying something like you just did on TOR's forums at launch. Everybody was talking about how bad it was, but someone just had to jump in and say how it was one of the best launches they had seen. And yet, you just said it was one of the worst you had seen. Theres always someone on every bad launch day who claims it was one of the best they've ever seen   :rolleyes:
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			Can i have your stuff?	
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Can i have your stuff?
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And what, exactly, was the "constructive" part of your post? I guess you forgot to include it, while you were criticizing someone else for not being constructive.
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All you're doing is going around the forums nitpicking at things people say while offering little to nothing in return. Did you even read my post? I was specifically talking about people who complain about a game without offering anything constructive in return. I wasn't complaining about the game. I was simply commenting on what was said by OP which is what people do on threads in forums. You're not even trying to be constructive, but instead just pointing out things you see as easy targets, probably as a way to try and make yourself feel superior in some way. It's kind of sad to be honest.
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You can justify it any way you want, but the fact is you made a post criticizing someone else for not being constructive, while your very own post contained nothing constructive either. And the same is true of your post above. Now, do you want to attack me for not being constructive with another non constructive post?
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Ever since F2P became a thing, more and more gamers have been turning into entitled children who feel like the world owes them something and that nothing should ever go wrong on "their" time. Everything should be perfect all the time or else they have the "right" to complain and feel vindicated while adding nothing constructive at all.
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I never meant for it to seem like I didn't think it's a bad thing. I just think it's something that should be more than expected by now. I want to play just as much as everyone else, but I also understand why I can't right now, and I'm okay with that.
 
I'm sure Carbine is more upset about all of this than anyone else.
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Just because you say things doesn't make them true. I never even said anything about the OP being constructive or not. You're literally arguing with yourself about things that didn't happen.
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I mean yeah as a free game complaints about server status do ring hollow. 
 
However are you really going to pretend like a terrible launch isn't a bad thing at all? People that would have given the game a try are going to log and delete the client because they think that is how the game always plays. It's not like Wildstar has anywhere close to positive word of mouth in the genre at this point. 
 
No one's gonna lose sleep over this but Carbine is shooting themselves in the foot with this release yet again.
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It's honestly one of the worst "launches" I've ever seen. Only being beaten by their first -actual- launch of this game a year ago. God that was a mess.
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Yeah I feel ur pain.  A server reboot and still lag from hell.   About to lose me too.   This game isn't NEW  and a lot of ppl dont get that.  The game itself was FINE before.
The pushed an update.  Thats it.    And IF your lucky enough to get online, GL doing a darn thing.   Cast lag is from hell, dying for mobs no where near u.
 
Its like Carbine took this games progress and made it how WoW was on its day 1 release.
 
 
Really disappointing.      The ONE "mega" server is a  flippin joke.
 
Hell, the forums are more stable then the actual game! lol
 
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	Edited September 30, 2015 by TheUndying	
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Today sucked. I'm not sure why, but it was worse than normal launch day problems in the industry. That said, a week from now I doubt there will be any problem logging in.
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...And would you care to tell us what other MMO launches you've played through?
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Tried to come back and play. Liked what I read about etc but I'm done with failed game launches. WoW lost me the same way. Good luck on the future Carbine. Maybe if you get it together I'll take another look but first impressions matter and yours is complete arse.
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Personally I think it shouldn't be expected and the idea that it is says loads about why the genre is in a lull right now. 
 
If Carbine wasn't ready for this then they should have pushed it back, it's the same thing as the initial launch. They weren't ready and it sank the potential of the game because of it. Just my opinion though and you're more than entitled to your own.
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You QUOTED the OP, and then said the following:
 
 
 
 
Granted, your last comments did not specially say "I'm talking about you, OP!!!", but it was all part of your response to HIS post. And even if you want to "clarify" that you were not actually talking about him in your last comments, you were still criticizing other people for not being constructive, with a post that contained absolutely nothing constructive in it.
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You're expecting them to predict the future. How are they to know what would break and what would be stable?
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Because you would think QA or stress testing would be common sense but why bother doing that when you can just release it and start responding as things pop up. It's less internal work and you can just blame it on "Well it is a launch day so reasons"
 
I mean sure random bugs are always gonna pop up with any given software release but massive, massive lag issues shouldn't be one of them. 
 
I'm not saying that I'm not enjoying what is there and working just that the parts that aren't are kinda sad and should have been avoided.
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EQ, EQ2, WoW, CoX, CO, DCUO, Rift, TSW, SWTOR, Tera, FFXIV (realm reborn not the initial launch), ArcheAge, and Skyforge (idk if you count that as an MMO). Probably not as many as a lot of people, but still a fair few I'd like to think. Yes, before you go ahead and point out that most if not all of those had awful launches, they sure did. But at least people could MAKE characters on the second day at the latest.
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WoW was unplayble for the first month. You going to say that this is worse than WoW's launch?
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It's pretty clear by my use of the word "gamers" and how it's separated into its own paragraph, that I'm making a general broad statement about a majority of "gamers" today.
 
I wasn't criticizing people for not being constructive. I was clearly and specifically criticizing people who complain about games without offering anything in return. You do realize that sometimes even criticism itself can be constructive, right? (It's called constructive criticism, FYI)
 
It seems like you think that everything everyone says has to be constructive. I never made any such assertion. 
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Yes. As I recall I was able to actually make a character in that game.
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Not bad, mon ami, not bad   ;)
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You were one of the few, and most who could make one couldnt play for a month, some servers had issues for almost a year.
Most of the list you listed off i could name many people who couldnt play for far longer then the first day, which is what this is (maybe its the second now?).
The only exceptions being FFXIV and ARR because they were both almost flawless on the server i played on.
 
People seem to get a foggy memory about just how bad mmo launches usually are when they are comparing something from years ago to what they want to get their mitts on right this minute.
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EQ, EQ2, WoW, CoX, CO, DCUO, Rift, TSW, SWTOR, Tera, FFXIV (realm reborn not the initial launch), ArcheAge, and Skyforge (idk if you count that as an MMO). Probably not as many as a lot of people, but still a fair few I'd like to think. Yes, before you go ahead and point out that most if not all of those had awful launches, they sure did. But at least people could MAKE characters on the second day at the latest.
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ARR was literally unplayable for the first week. It was so bad that Yoshida comped all of us for the week... This relaunch has been out what, a day? 12 hours? 
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ARR was literally unplayable for the first week. It was so bad that Yoshida comped all of us for the week... This relaunch has been out what, a day? 12 hours? 
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You QUOTED the OP, and then said the following:
 
 
 
 
Granted, your last comments did not specially say "I'm talking about you, OP!!!", but it was all part of your response to HIS post. And even if you want to "clarify" that you were not actually talking about him in your last comments, you were still criticizing other people for not being constructive, with a post that contained absolutely nothing constructive in it.
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Tried to come back and play. Liked what I read about etc but I'm done with failed game launches. WoW lost me the same way. Good luck on the future Carbine. Maybe if you get it together I'll take another look but first impressions matter and yours is complete arse.
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...first impressions matter and yours is complete arse.
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Then try to come back to play later?
 
I don't agree with them outright saying it on stream and I've poked some fun at the whole "one week later," but sometimes the best thing to do is be prepared to occupy yourself until issues are resolved.
 
I really don't think release problems like this are worth leaving over unless they never get resolved. What would make me leave is dishonesty with player appreciation rewards, lying about actual cash shop limitations (I'm looking at you EA and Trion), or just demonstrating an obvious disregard for their players. And carbine has done none of those things so far, those who claim they have simply think its ok to spew venemous exaggeration as though its going to fix a company that doesn't deserve that kind of hate.
 
And last but not least, the single best reason to leave is just because you don't care for the game. Its not for you, it certainly won't be for everyone.
But that's my two cents. I think stepping back and taking a break from this F2P transition madness to return later is the best option, but good luck to you if you're really done.
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telling people to "come back later" within weeks of SW battle front, GW expac, Fallout 4 release, overwatch beta, blizzcon, is really, really, not a smart tactic.
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Perhaps, but if any of those games are going to permanently pull them away from Wildstar, would this week of play really have mattered at all? Experiencing the game certainly is important, but lots of players decide pretty quickly where a game sits in their gaming priorities. I fully intend to get in on Fallout 4 and SW battle front as I am able, but if I should stop playing this game to a significant degree then its because the game just didn't hold my interest that much in the first place, not because it was unplayable for a week or two.
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			And yet the game will still be F2P.   So people will come back to it.   Most posters think the first week or two can make or break a game and thats is true if you believe it to be true.   Yes people tend to foreget the horrible parts to previous games on launch days and say that the next game down the line is worse.   We all fore get what we do not want to remember very easily.   As a free to play option id be happy to play this while playing those other games as well casual as i am you bounce between 4 different games at a time anyways.  Id rather see the big picture and have patience but thats just me and to each his own.   But, in all honesty if you go into a launch even a relaunch after major changes have taken place you should be prepared for the unknown.   Later on you will realize the tortured wait was well worth it.	
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			Still dealing with the sma loop login issues 4 days in a row is not acceptable for any mmo much less a relaunch of an old one	
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			I've seen bad launches. This is a bad launch. This is officially in the 'Bad' category. The actual launch of the game not so much. Its still not as bad as WoW's launch, or Anarchy Online's but bad. 	
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You know what the funny part is? I actually remember someone saying something like you just did on TOR's forums at launch. Everybody was talking about how bad it was, but someone just had to jump in and say how it was one of the best launches they had seen. And yet, you just said it was one of the worst you had seen. Theres always someone on every bad launch day who claims it was one of the best they've ever seen   :rolleyes:
 
 
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the problem is there are at least thousands of people who didnt even get to try wildstar this week.
 
between the not being able to create a character bug, the queues, the inifinite loading screen and the infamous "loop of death" there are plenty of people who have NO IDEA how good the game is.
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You're expecting them to predict the future. How are they to know what would break and what would be stable?
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They certainly don't, but its free to play for that matter so they can just try again whenever. They aren't limited by the need to make the most of a subscription. What I'm really pointing out is that if the game doesn't stay afloat through these fall launches then even a perfect F2P transition isn't going to save it.
 
I gave Archeage another chance when my buds started playing it a few months after its ridiculous release, got my fill of it and then fell off to do other things. It was definitely a unique experience but it couldn't hold me once I hit endgame.
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see this gives me hope.
 
the fact you went back to AA, with the horrible pay to win BS, the land grab mix ups, the exploits that weren banned, the straight up illegal bait switch of the 10% discount on cahs shop
 
given to founders that NEVER happened.
 
carbine ISNT a bad company like trion. Carbine and i hate to say it may be a bit inept, or maye under funded i dont know. but they ARE good people who
 
ACTUALLY care about their game. i hope people see that. but its hard too with no communication and no way to even TRY said game
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Ha I've actually kept that in my mind through most of this.
 
I don't want to excuse the problems that have occurred with this transition, but holy cow Archeages launch and Trion's bullcrap was so ridiculous and yet they didn't completely go under in the first 6 months? Surely Wildstar has a better chance if Archeage made it as far as it has.
 
Granted I'm pretty sure Archeage had a pretty significant Whale community behind it too, but they were also more vocal and visible on the forums.
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im not going to beat around the bush ill be blunt.
 
im a middle of the pack whale. i have NO problem buying cow boy costumes and cool skies for my house and whatever.
 
but if there are no bodies to fill my queues for LFD, or my raids, or my BGs or god man how about a warplot ?!?
 
not sure how long youve been around but maybe youll remember
 
"Have you SEEN warplots?!?" coz i havent, a year later and i havent.
 
free to play solves all this and allows me to feel safe spending money.
 
thats why i advocate so hard for people to be nice to them. being being nice doesnt mean shit if they cant even try the damned game
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