133636-nothing-constructive

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Good Morning Everyone,
 
I woke up this morning to the server restarting and decided to head over to the forums and knew damn well what to expect, though not as bad as I've seen on other f2p forums. It's the same old thread after thread, bandwidth wasted on constant whining. Targeting developers after not even 1 whole day since the f2p release and it bothers me because I know some concerns that are being raised and just put in poor context.
This is a major factor for a games survival, constructive criticism and the way people write out such concerns. The negativity on the forums can often be a turn off as it is, you see it everywhere, games typically start off with happy players and soon enough the community turns sour over a period of time whilst "fanboys" if you will, stick with the developers and ending in a games sub-par popularity.
 
I can think of worse launches and we're talking triple A titles, yet they still get more popularity due to their name and hype?
 
Clearly if you come to the forums and take the time to actually whinge on the forums, you have some sort of feelings or concerns about the game. Do us all a favour, walk off the anger before you post and try make your thread as constructive as possible. I know all too well how anger can make you hide what you're truly trying to say, we have all been in this situation in our lives and probably plenty of times to come.
If you truly care about Wildstar, be thankful for the downtimes. Be thankful that a f2p game could have this much quality and no major restrictions for f2p players. It can be stressful when pushing a launch and most specifically a f2p launch where the community is going to be harder to impress.
Try look at the positives of the game and ask yourself what you like about it, then think of the negatives and apply some thought process into how you're going to come across on the forums.
 
I just want to put in example, which has happened to me in real life many times: Okay, so let's say you're working on a project, you find this busted up antique table off the hard rubbish. You have ideas to fix it up and make it look all new, everyone thinks your crazy and wasting your time. So you set on it anyway, so passionate about getting this table all perfect and nice so you can show those people that you were right after all. Long story short, you finish the table which to you, think the table looks perfect and you're so proud of the work you put into it, though you know there may be some flaws.
 
Scenario 1: Your loved ones and friends tell you that you wasted your time and making you feel like a failure, you feel inclined to throw the table back on the trash and your self confidence left for dead.
 
Scenario 2: Your loved ones and friends tell you "the core of the table is actually quite good, and you most certainly have the right idea, in fact your time was a good investment" BUT, they point out a few chips and blemishes for you to improve on and make it better.
 
All I'm saying is, put the developers in a related perspective, don't discourage and tell the developers they're failures, they're trying to fix the chips and blemishes and surely the non constructive criticism isn't a motivation boost which I'm sure we established in our scenarios above. The point is, do you want to see this table back on hard rubbish? or do you want to have this table perfect for everyone to sit around and enjoy.
 
That is all, hope this helps.
 
Peace, Dave.	
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			Can someone please sticky this? Thanks!	
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Goddammit Dave! Great post!
 
+1!	
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A few things:
 
1) This is a video game, not real life. That being the case, no one should be taking these issues seriously enough to be insulting the devs.
 
2) Lag/queues are actually pretty normal for most MMO "launches", and some of it is simply outside the control of the studio.
 
3) That said, not being able to even create a character is NOT normal, and suggests something seriously wrong with Carbine's planning of this event.
 
I am not a troll bashing Carbine, nor am I a white knight defending their mistakes. I am a realist, who sees both sides of the situation. Some of what happened today is legitimately Carbine's fault, and they deserve the blame and bad PR for that. Even so, this is still a video game, and not some life or death situation people should be having a fit about.
			
				
	Edited September 29, 2015 by Lovecraft_Jones	
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			I agree with Lovecraft Jones AND the op on this thread. So much.	
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			Glad you all like it, only common sense I guess. Though sometimes a third party perspective can help and even if it only helps a minority, then so be it..	
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			1. This is not launch, nor relaunch. It's just a model change. 2. They had months to test this. Testers after testing Scorchwing had crashed the test servers before and said to Carbine that they're not ready. Carbine ignored this. 3. There are many bugs not related to the server capacity issues that shouldn't be there. Unable to create a character. Only certain races available in character creation. Getting stuck in combat in a dungeon, not being able to resurrect or abandon, up to 6 second lag spikes, meaning that even with queues the server capacity is being pushed as it is.Even if this was a brand new game launch (which it isn't) the amount of preparation done, but failing to prepare is a pretty big mistake. Most people that will try the game in this week, will never give it a second glance again. So sure, the population will drop and the issues will sort themselves, but by then it will be too late, because the whole reason for F2P to begin with is not enough people to sustain the game.	
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Agreed.
 
You, sir, deserve a sticky.	
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That's it I'm done.  I can't be done with all this common sense that's suddenly appearing around here lately............
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kappa	
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			Preach on brother!	
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			I have a friend I dragged back.  He was trying to play as F2P, he had to wait queues and he got the connection errors, but he was able to create a new character.  He got the lag spikes (he's Canadian).  His sentiment was that he'll give them a couple of days to fix things and then will return.  That is how a veteran MMO player deals with launch issues.
			
				
	Edited September 30, 2015 by Alaricsevgirl	
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Just bumping this up in defense of the human self esteem, I hear they're working hard for everyones enjoyment. Be thankful they're fixing the game people! Do what I did, take a step back, take a deep breath and do something else in the meantime.
 
Personally, I've been overclocking my system for the fun of it, ran into endless problems but this is half the fun of it. Managed to get my a10-7870k from 3.9ghz up to 4.6ghz so far, can I push it to the 4.7? No probably not, I'm going to focus on the memory next, being an APU, I need to watch that cpu heat and leave some leg room for the memory overclock.
 
Moral of the story, what are you doing between the downtimes? are you being as constructive as you could be?
 
Infact, I might actually go and groom my cat, vacuum the house, do some general cleaning and go to shop and maybe do some cooking later this evening.
 
Surely, people have things they can do in the meantime (downtime)?
 
Life is busy, even for people like myself, you know I have a disability where I can't work fulltime, yet I manage to fill my day with many constructive events. For anyone else, there should be plenty of things to do, hell next on my list is to actually learn a new language, I  think its time people need to realise that we're capable at focusing on more than 1 task and start giving life an actual "meaning".
 
Once again, hope this helps.	
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A few things:
 
1) This is a video game, not real life. That being the case, no one should be taking these issues seriously enough to be insulting the devs.
 
2) Lag/queues are actually pretty normal for most MMO "launches", and some of it is simply outside the control of the studio.
 
3) That said, not being able to even create a character is NOT normal, and suggests something seriously wrong with Carbine's planning of this event.
 
I am not a troll bashing Carbine, nor am I a white knight defending their mistakes. I am a realist, who sees both sides of the situation. Some of what happened today is legitimately Carbine's fault, and they deserve the blame and bad PR for that. Even so, this is still a video game, and not some life or death situation people should be having a fit about.
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			Forums are at an all time high today, time to soothe that beast with bumpity buppity bump.	
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