Meeting:20160820/minutes

[2016-08-20 15:00:06] <Alex.sapre> The convention has officially begun. Any posts off topic will result in a warning and then a kick past this. If you continue to disturb the meeting, you will be banned.
[2016-08-20 15:00:11] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[2016-08-20 15:00:13] <AMK152> ok, it's 11 AM I would like to call the meeting to order
[2016-08-20 15:00:18] <SpongeFreddy777> im back
[2016-08-20 15:00:18] <AustinD-3> dat: Dont spam
[2016-08-20 15:00:20] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Alright.
[2016-08-20 15:00:25] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> everybody state your name and buisness
[2016-08-20 15:00:33] <AW10> who will take notes then?
[2016-08-20 15:00:33] <SpongeFreddy777> What
[2016-08-20 15:00:33] <AMK152> Ok, just a few things before we get started
[2016-08-20 15:00:34] <TrevorOntario719> Dat, please
[2016-08-20 15:00:35] <CustardTheWikiBird> CustardTheWikiBird; Discussion
[2016-08-20 15:00:38] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> ok fine!
[2016-08-20 15:00:40] <TrevorOntario719> Ill try AW10
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[2016-08-20 15:00:47] <TrevorOntario719> hey jon
[2016-08-20 15:00:47] <SpongeFreddy777> Hey Jon
[2016-08-20 15:00:47] <Nat_Peterson> Hello, Jon.
[2016-08-20 15:00:48] <Depth_Strider_10> Ey Jon
[2016-08-20 15:00:48] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Hiya, Jon.
[2016-08-20 15:00:48] <CustardTheWikiBird> hiya
[2016-08-20 15:00:48] <Nicko756> Yo
[2016-08-20 15:00:50] <MightyMorphinJon> Hello.
[2016-08-20 15:00:50] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> MightyMorphinJon, GeorgeBushJr told you: to Message me when he is back
[2016-08-20 15:00:51] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Hi.
[2016-08-20 15:00:52] <Mismagius_Star> Welcome to the meeting
[2016-08-20 15:00:52] <SonicTheEpic> Right on time Jon
[2016-08-20 15:00:52] <Alex.sapre> Hey Jon
[2016-08-20 15:00:53] <Greatness_The_NightWing> The meeting's in place.
[2016-08-20 15:00:57] <Alex.sapre> It just started
[2016-08-20 15:01:00] <SpongeFreddy777> Just about to start
[2016-08-20 15:01:04] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> 1 minute ago
[2016-08-20 15:01:05] <AMK152> Anyone interrupting the business will be kicked
[2016-08-20 15:01:07] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> k
[2016-08-20 15:01:11] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:01:11] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~146 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:01:14] <Alex.sapre> What about admins?
[2016-08-20 15:01:19] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> i wish i could be a mod.
[2016-08-20 15:01:23] <AMK152> you can come back but if you keep being disruptive you will be banned for the reminder of hte meeting
[2016-08-20 15:01:24] <Squiddleward> they should know better
[2016-08-20 15:01:31] <TrevorOntario719> Dat:please stay on topic.
[2016-08-20 15:01:34] <AMK152> it's not personal, we want to have a productive meeting
[2016-08-20 15:01:34] <Alex.sapre> Because you cannot kick an admin.
[2016-08-20 15:01:34] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> ok lets just start
[2016-08-20 15:01:40] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Alrighty then.
[2016-08-20 15:01:41] <Alex.sapre> Unless you use bans.
[2016-08-20 15:01:47] <SpongeFreddy777> Guys
[2016-08-20 15:01:49] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> lets just start!
[2016-08-20 15:01:49] <SpongeFreddy777> Please
[2016-08-20 15:01:50] <AMK152> also, please be respectful of other people's opinions
[2016-08-20 15:01:54] <Depth_Strider_10> ^
[2016-08-20 15:01:57] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> wait. how long is this
[2016-08-20 15:01:58] <TrevorOntario719> Per AMK
[2016-08-20 15:01:59] <TrevorOntario719> 2 hours
[2016-08-20 15:02:02] <SpongeFreddy777> Per AMK
[2016-08-20 15:02:03] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> omg
[2016-08-20 15:02:04] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Yeah, 2 hours.
[2016-08-20 15:02:05] <Depth_Strider_10> Long. @Dat
[2016-08-20 15:02:06] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Let's try to keep it civilized.
[2016-08-20 15:02:06] <SpongeFreddy777> Around that
[2016-08-20 15:02:08] <AMK152> we don't want arguing, we want to actually make progress here
[2016-08-20 15:02:13] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> ^
[2016-08-20 15:02:13] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> ok lets start
[2016-08-20 15:02:13] <TrevorOntario719> Per AMK
[2016-08-20 15:02:17] <AMK152> guys seriously
[2016-08-20 15:02:21] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> for real
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[2016-08-20 15:02:21] <AMK152> we already have started
[2016-08-20 15:02:24] <SonicTheEpic> I'll try to be on as long as I can, I can't guarantee I'll be on the whole time
[2016-08-20 15:02:25] <Alex.sapre> Can you wait for 5 minutes for the rules Dat.
[2016-08-20 15:02:26] <Alex.sapre> Hey
[2016-08-20 15:02:29] <Depth_Strider_10> ^
[2016-08-20 15:02:30] <Alex.sapre> I'll leave in the middle
[2016-08-20 15:02:31] <TrevorOntario719> hello
[2016-08-20 15:02:32] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> sryy
[2016-08-20 15:02:34] <Alex.sapre> Because of sleep
[2016-08-20 15:02:37] <MightyMorphinJon> AMK, change the welcome message on MediaWiki
[2016-08-20 15:02:46] <AMK152> could you change it?
[2016-08-20 15:02:50] <Nicko756> I'll change it
[2016-08-20 15:02:52] <MightyMorphinJon> yeah I can
[2016-08-20 15:02:54] <SpongeFreddy777> Guys, please let AMK talk
[2016-08-20 15:02:58] <AustinD-3> I already have.
[2016-08-20 15:02:58] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> ok lets get rules down!
[2016-08-20 15:02:58] <MightyMorphinJon> give me a moment
[2016-08-20 15:03:04] <AMK152> ok, if someone enters chat, please don't greet them, it floods the meeting and ruins the flow
[2016-08-20 15:03:10] <TrevorOntario719> per AMK
[2016-08-20 15:03:12] <CustardTheWikiBird> understood
[2016-08-20 15:03:16] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Alrighty.
[2016-08-20 15:03:17] <Nat_Peterson> Okay.
[2016-08-20 15:03:20] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I understand. ;)
[2016-08-20 15:03:21] <AMK152> ok now
[2016-08-20 15:03:22] -!- SpongeFreddy777 has joined Special:Chat
[2016-08-20 15:03:33] <AMK152> the purpose of this meeting is to be the first of many
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[2016-08-20 15:03:54] <DatOneAvengerFanGirl> sorry guys can't stay grocery need to be bought
[2016-08-20 15:03:57] <AMK152> ESB will be 10 years next April. And we want to take care of all ongoing issues so that we can move forward as a better, more positive community
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[2016-08-20 15:04:06] <MightyMorphinJon> Dat, please stop staying off topic.
[2016-08-20 15:04:07] -!- DatOneAvengerFanGirl was kicked from Special:Chat by AMK152
[2016-08-20 15:04:12] <MightyMorphinJon> Alright then.
[2016-08-20 15:04:23] <SpongeFreddy777> Jon please...
[2016-08-20 15:04:45] <AMK152> Anyone, first question for everyone. In a few words, what is the biggest problem at ESB? Please, only answer once.
[2016-08-20 15:04:45] <SpongeFreddy777> AMK, you may resume
[2016-08-20 15:04:52] <TrevorOntario719> Trolls.
[2016-08-20 15:04:56] <SpongeFreddy777> Drama/Trolls
[2016-08-20 15:04:56] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Hmm...
[2016-08-20 15:05:00] <CustardTheWikiBird> Hmmm
[2016-08-20 15:05:02] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Drama.
[2016-08-20 15:05:03] <CustardTheWikiBird> err
[2016-08-20 15:05:05] <AustinD-3> I think the drama.
[2016-08-20 15:05:06] <MightyMorphinJon> My biggest problem on ESB, I must say badges.
[2016-08-20 15:05:10] <Nicko756> Drama
[2016-08-20 15:05:12] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would have to say drama too TBH.
[2016-08-20 15:05:12] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Badges, definitely.
[2016-08-20 15:05:13] <Alex.sapre> I believe the biggest problem is the sheer amount of arguments between everyone.
[2016-08-20 15:05:13] <Squiddleward> badges
[2016-08-20 15:05:15] <CustardTheWikiBird> Strict rules (just honest opinion)
[2016-08-20 15:05:16] <FlyingDutchmen> Agree with Jon
[2016-08-20 15:05:16] <Depth_Strider_10> Unnecessary Drama
[2016-08-20 15:05:18] <TheThomas5252> Trolls
[2016-08-20 15:05:19] <FlyingDutchmen> Bagdes
[2016-08-20 15:05:20] <Dejavukitkat13> Drama
[2016-08-20 15:05:24] <AMK152> Okay STOP
[2016-08-20 15:05:25] <Mismagius_Star> Arguments 
[2016-08-20 15:05:38] <AMK152> It's pretty clear. Drama/arguments/trolls/etc.
[2016-08-20 15:05:51] <Greatness_The_NightWing> I wouldn't say it's just one thing.
[2016-08-20 15:06:11] <AMK152> if it were to be generalized, it would be drama. Which could be defined as many things
[2016-08-20 15:06:24] <AMK152> In fact, the drama may be the root cause of other issues
[2016-08-20 15:06:31] <SpongeFreddy777> ^ exactly why i said drama
[2016-08-20 15:06:33] <Alex.sapre> Yes, we need a set definition for it as many users use it loosely.
[2016-08-20 15:06:43] <Mismagius_Star> I don't think you can stop drama really
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[2016-08-20 15:06:47] <TrevorOntario719> I agree with Alex. We also need to define trolling.
[2016-08-20 15:06:48] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Well, there's no real way to stop the drama. It usually occurs in chat. Our best situation would be to kick the user who starts it.
[2016-08-20 15:06:51] <MightyMorphinJon> I can give a example of drama.
[2016-08-20 15:06:55] <AMK152> We cannot stop it, but we can minimize it
[2016-08-20 15:06:57] <Depth_Strider_10> Per Alex
[2016-08-20 15:06:58] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Then eventually ban.
[2016-08-20 15:07:01] <TrevorOntario719> Per AMK
[2016-08-20 15:07:01] <AMK152> What types of drama are there?
[2016-08-20 15:07:07] <TrevorOntario719> Sawpog leaving
[2016-08-20 15:07:07] <AMK152> Let's get a list
[2016-08-20 15:07:13] <AW10> actually, I think that the root cause is because users are overly concerned about actions of others, people do not feel like they have freedom
[2016-08-20 15:07:14] <Alex.sapre> Sometimes locked
[2016-08-20 15:07:15] <Mismagius_Star> 120d saying anything
[2016-08-20 15:07:16] <MightyMorphinJon> Cans48 has created a lot of drama.
[2016-08-20 15:07:28] <TrevorOntario719> Georges crat request has created drama.
[2016-08-20 15:07:29] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
[2016-08-20 15:07:34] <MightyMorphinJon> Much enough, he doesn't listen to a chat moderators' or admin's warnings.
[2016-08-20 15:07:36] <TrevorOntario719> Trolling can be considered drama.
[2016-08-20 15:07:38] <Greatness_The_NightWing> I've seen a lot of things being said about Cans.
[2016-08-20 15:07:41] <SpongeFreddy777> Also
[2016-08-20 15:07:42] <SpongeFreddy777> Jack
[2016-08-20 15:07:48] <CustardTheWikiBird> Should we be calling users out? Maybe it's not best to make it personal.
[2016-08-20 15:07:50] <AMK152> So (1) Users leaving/retirement blogs, (2) lack of freedom, (3) Trolling
[2016-08-20 15:07:50] <SpongeFreddy777> He begs so much
[2016-08-20 15:07:50] <TrevorOntario719> Jackbradley too be precise
[2016-08-20 15:07:56] <FlyingDutchmen> Jackbradley2006 requests
[2016-08-20 15:08:05] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> ^
[2016-08-20 15:08:07] <AMK152> I don't know about specific requests
[2016-08-20 15:08:09] <Depth_Strider_10> Jackbradley requests
[2016-08-20 15:08:16] <TrevorOntario719> well there was his chat mod requests
[2016-08-20 15:08:19] <AMK152> In regards to requests, the criteria could be improved
[2016-08-20 15:08:19] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Sawpog has also done some, but he left now.
[2016-08-20 15:08:20] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Troll requests in general.
[2016-08-20 15:08:20] <Squiddleward> people taking constructive criticism as a personal attack
[2016-08-20 15:08:20] <MightyMorphinJon> Jackrbradley is very young, so give him time
[2016-08-20 15:08:26] <TrevorOntario719> he was yelling about how he was intelligent.
[2016-08-20 15:08:28] <Depth_Strider_10> you can take Jackbradley requests as basically troll requests.
[2016-08-20 15:08:32] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-08-20 15:08:36] <TrevorOntario719> and yelling at others for not supporting him
[2016-08-20 15:08:40] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> ^
[2016-08-20 15:08:40] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-08-20 15:08:43] <Depth_Strider_10> ^
[2016-08-20 15:08:44] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> ^
[2016-08-20 15:08:48] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
[2016-08-20 15:08:54] <SonicTheEpic> ^
[2016-08-20 15:08:54] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Not taking constructive criticism properly, yes.
[2016-08-20 15:08:54] <MightyMorphinJon> You don't need to "up" everything.
[2016-08-20 15:08:59] <SpongeFreddy777> He forces people a lot
[2016-08-20 15:09:01] <AMK152> Yes, Jon is right
[2016-08-20 15:09:07] <TrevorOntario719> Choco, he threatened to kill everyone
[2016-08-20 15:09:07] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
[2016-08-20 15:09:10] <TrevorOntario719> not just one person
[2016-08-20 15:09:12] <SpongeFreddy777> THAT 
[2016-08-20 15:09:16] <Depth_Strider_10> that was getting a bit too long.
[2016-08-20 15:09:18] <SpongeFreddy777> Yes, the killing
[2016-08-20 15:09:32] <AMK152> so obviously there are specific issues
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[2016-08-20 15:09:42] <SpongeFreddy777> "Im gonna kill everyone if you don't support my requeest"
[2016-08-20 15:09:42] <AMK152> but users who threat should be blocked
[2016-08-20 15:09:49] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> It violated ToU.
[2016-08-20 15:09:53] <Depth_Strider_10> I agree
[2016-08-20 15:09:55] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I agree
[2016-08-20 15:09:55] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> *violates
[2016-08-20 15:09:56] <AMK152> who was this?
[2016-08-20 15:09:59] <Greatness_The_NightWing> I agree, but how long should the ban be?
[2016-08-20 15:10:00] <MightyMorphinJon> Jackbradley2006
[2016-08-20 15:10:01] <SonicTheEpic> Jack
[2016-08-20 15:10:03] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Jackbradley2006
[2016-08-20 15:10:04] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Jackbradley2006
[2016-08-20 15:10:06] <AMK152> ok
[2016-08-20 15:10:06] <MightyMorphinJon> He is 10 years old.
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[2016-08-20 15:10:12] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
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[2016-08-20 15:10:16] <SpongeFreddy777> AMK, I'd also like to point out that there is a rule that is NEVER enforced
[2016-08-20 15:10:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> He should be banned
[2016-08-20 15:10:19] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Being underaged is also an issue.
[2016-08-20 15:10:22] <TrevorOntario719> that does not excuse him, Jon.
[2016-08-20 15:10:22] <Nicko756> http://spongebobia.wikia.com/wiki/Meeting:20160820#Participants Did I forget anyone?
[2016-08-20 15:10:22] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> The threat was somewhere in the logs
[2016-08-20 15:10:24] <AMK152> Yes, Freddy?
[2016-08-20 15:10:24] <Alex.sapre> 2 ToU violations
[2016-08-20 15:10:25] <SpongeFreddy777> The trolling
[2016-08-20 15:10:27] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> That reminds me.
[2016-08-20 15:10:27] <TrevorOntario719> he should know better.
[2016-08-20 15:10:51] <MightyMorphinJon> And I've really been thinking of adding the underage rule back.
[2016-08-20 15:10:54] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Underaged users are also an issue.
[2016-08-20 15:10:55] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> In fact not just ToU, but also the US law.
[2016-08-20 15:10:57] <AMK152> now, the trolling is primarily in chat
[2016-08-20 15:10:59] <CustardTheWikiBird> It is kinda US Law
[2016-08-20 15:11:09] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> [08:10:57] AMK152: now, the trolling is primarily in chat
[2016-08-20 15:11:09] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yea
[2016-08-20 15:11:11] <TrevorOntario719> There has been trolling in walls as well.
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[2016-08-20 15:11:13] <Depth_Strider_10> Even though Jack is young, he should know better.
[2016-08-20 15:11:17] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
[2016-08-20 15:11:24] <Greatness_The_NightWing> I agree.
[2016-08-20 15:11:24] <TrevorOntario719> Also, it may be US law, but it is not international law.
[2016-08-20 15:11:25] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> and on user rights requesta
[2016-08-20 15:11:27] <Mismagius_Star> He's 10...
[2016-08-20 15:11:27] <Nicko756> Underaged users should be just be reported to staff.
[2016-08-20 15:11:31] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> ^
[2016-08-20 15:11:34] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 15:11:38] <SpongeFreddy777> Per Nicko
[2016-08-20 15:11:38] <TrevorOntario719> I think Wikia should take care of underage users.
[2016-08-20 15:11:39] <AustinD-3> We do not have to block underage users, activity is going to go way down based off the shows target audience.
[2016-08-20 15:11:43] <MightyMorphinJon> Does anybody here have the authority to report?
[2016-08-20 15:11:43] <TrevorOntario719> its not really our business
[2016-08-20 15:11:45] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Actually...
[2016-08-20 15:11:54] <Alex.sapre> Anyone can make a report.
[2016-08-20 15:11:54] <CustardTheWikiBird> but we're on wikia
[2016-08-20 15:11:56] <Mismagius_Star> Why do we care that's wasting time
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[2016-08-20 15:12:07] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> The thing is with staff is we need as much proof as we can get.
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[2016-08-20 15:12:13] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-08-20 15:12:15] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> its not up to us, that's what staff says because there is no proof
[2016-08-20 15:12:16] <TrevorOntario719> they're also picky with proof.
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[2016-08-20 15:12:19] <TrevorOntario719> no screenshots
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[2016-08-20 15:12:21] <TrevorOntario719> no chat logs
[2016-08-20 15:12:21] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:12:22] <Squiddleward> did he ever outright say he was 10
[2016-08-20 15:12:23] <AMK152> so why are trolls coming here, and why are they causing so much trouble?
[2016-08-20 15:12:29] <TrevorOntario719> I dont know
[2016-08-20 15:12:32] <SpongeFreddy777> yes squiddle
[2016-08-20 15:12:33] <FlyingDutchmen> yes @squiddle
[2016-08-20 15:12:33] <TrevorOntario719> Summer fever, I assume.
[2016-08-20 15:12:33] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> They just come to mess with us.
[2016-08-20 15:12:37] <Greatness_The_NightWing> It's because they enjoy riling people up.
[2016-08-20 15:12:37] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Attention?
[2016-08-20 15:12:38] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yea
[2016-08-20 15:12:40] <Mismagius_Star> It's funny to them
[2016-08-20 15:12:42] <AW10> I do no think that age is the problem, it is just that people do not udnerstand that their actions is crucial for well-being of community. with neough effort, everyone, no matter the age, can udnerstand that
[2016-08-20 15:12:42] <CustardTheWikiBird> brb
[2016-08-20 15:12:43] <Greatness_The_NightWing> And attention.
[2016-08-20 15:12:44] <AMK152> ideas for prevention?
[2016-08-20 15:12:46] <TrevorOntario719> they enjoy making users feel uncomfortable.
[2016-08-20 15:12:51] <AW10> enough*
[2016-08-20 15:12:54] <MightyMorphinJon> Trevor, Wikia does accept screenshots. If you go on "Special:Contact/general", they ask you for a screenshot.
[2016-08-20 15:12:55] <TrevorOntario719> I say we need rules to define trolls.
[2016-08-20 15:12:55] <Depth_Strider_10> Immediate kick.
[2016-08-20 15:12:56] <AMK152> yeah AW is right
[2016-08-20 15:13:03] <SpongeFreddy777> Per AW10
[2016-08-20 15:13:04] <TrevorOntario719> We need to define what is Trolling.
[2016-08-20 15:13:05] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Maybe an edit limit, where you need a specific number of edits to join the chat.
[2016-08-20 15:13:07] <Squiddleward> immediate ban according to chat policy
[2016-08-20 15:13:12] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Edit limit...?
[2016-08-20 15:13:13] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Also, I can try to file a report to staff for Jackbradley.
[2016-08-20 15:13:15] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yea but 
[2016-08-20 15:13:19] <MightyMorphinJon> You can't tell if a user is a troll.
[2016-08-20 15:13:21] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> His username gives us proof.
[2016-08-20 15:13:22] <Alex.sapre> Sannse said in a blog that they do not accept chat screenshots Jon.
[2016-08-20 15:13:25] <Depth_Strider_10> Per AW10
[2016-08-20 15:13:26] <AMK152> I guess that's 2 things that need further definitions: 1. Definition of drama 2. Definition of trolling
[2016-08-20 15:13:27] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> we don't know what a troll is
[2016-08-20 15:13:32] <MightyMorphinJon> Sometimes they are just normally kicked.
[2016-08-20 15:13:34] <Squiddleward> what about chat logs?
[2016-08-20 15:13:37] <SpongeFreddy777> @Alex it was Austin
[2016-08-20 15:13:45] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Chat log copy/pastes are really easy to edit.
[2016-08-20 15:13:47] <TrevorOntario719> theres a rule on instaban, but is never used.
[2016-08-20 15:13:54] <Alex.sapre> Austin who did what?
[2016-08-20 15:13:56] <TrevorOntario719> its usually just 3 strikes then you're out
[2016-08-20 15:13:57] <Squiddleward> yeah but the logs on the wiki
[2016-08-20 15:13:59] <SpongeFreddy777> That's what I am saying
[2016-08-20 15:14:01] <MightyMorphinJon> You can check the history of the chat logs, Grearness.
[2016-08-20 15:14:04] <Squiddleward> you can check the history to see if it was edited
[2016-08-20 15:14:05] <AMK152> we can still enforce things through using our chat transcripts
[2016-08-20 15:14:08] <SpongeFreddy777> he was the one who made that blog
[2016-08-20 15:14:09] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> They don't take logs, Squiddle.
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[2016-08-20 15:14:12] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yea
[2016-08-20 15:14:13] <TrevorOntario719> that is true, Andrew.
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[2016-08-20 15:14:22] <Depth_Strider_10> ^
[2016-08-20 15:14:36] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:14:37] <SpongeFreddy777> Wait are we allowed to go afk during this
[2016-08-20 15:14:46] <AMK152> yes
[2016-08-20 15:14:48] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yes.
[2016-08-20 15:14:55] <AMK152> ok, what about chat moderators?
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[2016-08-20 15:14:56] <CustardTheWikiBird> back
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[2016-08-20 15:15:04] <TrevorOntario719> What about them?
[2016-08-20 15:15:08] <AMK152> Effectiveness
[2016-08-20 15:15:09] <MightyMorphinJon> I really think that if users have a name such as "GeorgeBushJr" and the first act they do is something inappropriate, they will be banned.
[2016-08-20 15:15:11] <AMK152> any issues?
[2016-08-20 15:15:17] <Mismagius_Star> No
[2016-08-20 15:15:19] <TrevorOntario719> No, not really.
[2016-08-20 15:15:25] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Noah
[2016-08-20 15:15:25] <Alex.sapre> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:15:25] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Alex.sapre: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~289 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:15:26] <Greatness_The_NightWing> It seems that there are plenty of mods, but quality over quantity, you know.
[2016-08-20 15:15:26] <AustinD-3> Nope.
[2016-08-20 15:15:27] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> nah
[2016-08-20 15:15:34] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> They are effective.
[2016-08-20 15:15:35] <Mismagius_Star> Unless they go inactive
[2016-08-20 15:15:37] <AMK152> so, it looks like the main issue is we do not have clear definitions of drama and trolling
[2016-08-20 15:15:38] <MightyMorphinJon> AMK, continuing what I said, some chat moderators and administrators are somewhat nice. 
[2016-08-20 15:15:44] <TrevorOntario719> Our mods are mainly active.
[2016-08-20 15:15:44] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> They seem fine to me.
[2016-08-20 15:15:48] <AW10> . Definition of drama 2. Definition of trolling
[2016-08-20 15:15:48] <AW10> drama is just feeling of unsatisfaction with how things are on the wiki, trolling is intnetionally dirtupting well-being of community
[2016-08-20 15:15:52] <MightyMorphinJon> I can take someone as an example but they're already here.
[2016-08-20 15:15:54] <Depth_Strider_10> The current chat mods are doing well.
[2016-08-20 15:16:02] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> like when a troll hits sometimes the mods go inactive and we have to wait
[2016-08-20 15:16:03] <Greatness_The_NightWing> The mods aren't really a problem.
[2016-08-20 15:16:06] <TrevorOntario719> AW10, that sounds good.
[2016-08-20 15:16:11] <MightyMorphinJon> I have to agree we have a satisfactory amount of chat moderators.
[2016-08-20 15:16:16] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-08-20 15:16:18] <TrevorOntario719> but we need examples of disruption
[2016-08-20 15:16:23] <AMK152> in other words, chat mods may not always know how to enforce vague "no trolling" rules
[2016-08-20 15:16:28] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yea
[2016-08-20 15:16:29] <TrevorOntario719> Brick, we always have Skype.
[2016-08-20 15:16:33] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yes, AMK.
[2016-08-20 15:16:36] <TrevorOntario719> correct, Andrew.
[2016-08-20 15:16:36] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
[2016-08-20 15:16:42] <Nicko756> Yes
[2016-08-20 15:16:46] <SpongeFreddy777> I also believe that we should have a limit of mods, admins, crats etc
[2016-08-20 15:16:47] <TrevorOntario719> Yes, Andrew.
[2016-08-20 15:16:48] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Our rules need to be more specific.
[2016-08-20 15:16:49] <MightyMorphinJon> Sonic, are you there?
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[2016-08-20 15:16:53] <SonicTheEpic> Yes
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[2016-08-20 15:17:01] <Greatness_The_NightWing> So more specific rules.
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[2016-08-20 15:17:06] <AMK152> do we have issues with the same trolls coming back?
[2016-08-20 15:17:06] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-08-20 15:17:06] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I understand but it is hard to go to skype and say troll because I have skype on my phone not on my computer
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[2016-08-20 15:17:07] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> AMK152, a way to decrease trolling would be to make it so that you need a specific number of edits to join chat.
[2016-08-20 15:17:14] <TrevorOntario719> More or less, Greatness.
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[2016-08-20 15:17:16] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Sometimes, AMK.
[2016-08-20 15:17:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> like 5 edits
[2016-08-20 15:17:18] <AMK152> Jack: I have thought about that
[2016-08-20 15:17:21] <Hfmbears> Yeah, What Jack said
[2016-08-20 15:17:22] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Jack, that won't work.
[2016-08-20 15:17:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> to content
[2016-08-20 15:17:28] <TrevorOntario719> I don't see the point of edits to enter chat.
[2016-08-20 15:17:29] <MightyMorphinJon> Jack, that would cause edit farming.
[2016-08-20 15:17:35] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:17:35] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> It may influence vandalism.
[2016-08-20 15:17:39] <SpongeFreddy777> That would be less encouraging though @Jack
[2016-08-20 15:17:39] <MightyMorphinJon> Lots of wikis tried that.
[2016-08-20 15:17:40] <Hfmbears> or even a Thread War!
[2016-08-20 15:17:41] <TrevorOntario719> Trolls will use the edits to troll users on their walls.
[2016-08-20 15:17:46] <AustinD-3> I think to join chat you need to be autoconfirmed.
[2016-08-20 15:17:46] <Depth_Strider_10> Some trolls actually just leave chat when they're on they're final kick.
[2016-08-20 15:17:50] <TrevorOntario719> ^
[2016-08-20 15:17:52] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yea
[2016-08-20 15:17:54] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Edit farming is a huge problem, which is why I think badges should be removed.
[2016-08-20 15:17:56] <AMK152> Actually, having an edit requirement would give more visibility to any bad actions
[2016-08-20 15:17:56] <Hfmbears> agreed
[2016-08-20 15:17:58] <TrevorOntario719> Its so annoying
[2016-08-20 15:17:58] <Squiddleward> one thing i was thinking of is a 1 month requirement to vote on requests/discussions
[2016-08-20 15:18:04] <AW10> even if we put 100 edit to join the caht, torlls will jsut troll the content and then continu trolling the chat
[2016-08-20 15:18:07] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I agree
[2016-08-20 15:18:07] <TrevorOntario719> then the next day they cause more problems.
[2016-08-20 15:18:11] <Squiddleward> account on esb has to be 1 month old
[2016-08-20 15:18:13] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> @squiddle
[2016-08-20 15:18:19] <FlyingDutchmen> per Squiddle
[2016-08-20 15:18:21] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-08-20 15:18:23] <Depth_Strider_10> The trolls lately have been leaving chat when they're about to be banned,
[2016-08-20 15:18:24] <MightyMorphinJon> I was actually thinking about that, yeah.
[2016-08-20 15:18:25] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> And some of our users that come to chat, have less than 5 edits.
[2016-08-20 15:18:33] <TrevorOntario719> that would work, Squiggle.
[2016-08-20 15:18:33] <MightyMorphinJon> I would put that on my list, Squiddle.
[2016-08-20 15:18:35] <CustardTheWikiBird> you can ban people if they're off chat though, right?
[2016-08-20 15:18:36] <Alex.sapre> And sometimes 0 edits.
[2016-08-20 15:18:37] <Hfmbears> Should we stop having people add uneccesary pictures
[2016-08-20 15:18:37] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> and they almost always troll
[2016-08-20 15:18:38] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> That could work. @Squiddleward
[2016-08-20 15:18:38] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-08-20 15:18:39] <CustardTheWikiBird> by going on their userpage?
[2016-08-20 15:18:40] <Alex.sapre> Yes,
[2016-08-20 15:18:56] <Alex.sapre> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:18:56] <AMK152> There is an issue right there; if they leave chat, mods don't have the opportunity to block them
[2016-08-20 15:18:56] <TrevorOntario719> Hfm, what do you mean?
[2016-08-20 15:18:56] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Alex.sapre: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~90 to log page).
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[2016-08-20 15:19:02] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
[2016-08-20 15:19:08] <AMK152> which is why they should be blocked from ESB altogether
[2016-08-20 15:19:09] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per AMK
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[2016-08-20 15:19:12] <SpongeFreddy777> AMK, go on their contribs page
[2016-08-20 15:19:15] <MightyMorphinJon> AMK, they can go on their contributions and click 'ban from chat"
[2016-08-20 15:19:16] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Which means better admins are required.
[2016-08-20 15:19:16] <SpongeFreddy777> and press ban from chat
[2016-08-20 15:19:20] <Nicko756> Per Jon.
[2016-08-20 15:19:24] <SonicTheEpic> Wait, how do we know if the users aren't just inexperienced and not purposely trolling? 
[2016-08-20 15:19:27] <SpongeFreddy777> and per me lol
[2016-08-20 15:19:29] <Hfmbears> You know, on Monroe Timmy's page, someone added a picture of the Object Character Pistachio with a Minecraft Sword in the Comments
[2016-08-20 15:19:33] <Depth_Strider_10> I agree.
[2016-08-20 15:19:35] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Sonic
[2016-08-20 15:19:43] <MightyMorphinJon> That is not relevant, Hfmbears.
[2016-08-20 15:19:43] <TrevorOntario719> Good point, Adam.
[2016-08-20 15:19:43] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> If they ignore the warnings. @Sonic
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[2016-08-20 15:19:45] <SpongeFreddy777> huh @hfmbears
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[2016-08-20 15:19:53] <Depth_Strider_10> I agree.
[2016-08-20 15:20:01] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> They usually get themselves banned/blocked.
[2016-08-20 15:20:03] <Hfmbears> K @SpongeFreddy777
[2016-08-20 15:20:09] <SpongeFreddy777> Cans usually reports trolls to Squiddle
[2016-08-20 15:20:13] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Users like TinaBlanch should be reported
[2016-08-20 15:20:15] <TrevorOntario719> AMK, i think that's because the report future isn't very prominent.
[2016-08-20 15:20:17] <Mismagius_Star> User report is too complicated 
[2016-08-20 15:20:19] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> to the report user
[2016-08-20 15:20:24] <TrevorOntario719> it should be promoted more often.
[2016-08-20 15:20:25] <Squiddleward> i will probably make a discussion about the 1 month voting rule
[2016-08-20 15:20:27] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> agreed star
[2016-08-20 15:20:27] <Alex.sapre> Most of the time a user report takes a long time to make and it's usually easier to just contact an admin who is on chat.
[2016-08-20 15:20:35] <Hfmbears> Agreed
[2016-08-20 15:20:35] <Mismagius_Star> I wouldn't want to report anyone, it takes too long
[2016-08-20 15:20:35] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:20:36] <AMK152> OK, good points, any suggestions to improve the user report system?
[2016-08-20 15:20:50] <Greatness_The_NightWing> I would say leave a direct message on an admin's wall.
[2016-08-20 15:20:54] <Mismagius_Star> Get rid of it altogether and just have users message admins
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[2016-08-20 15:20:54] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Hold on, gonna take a look at it.
[2016-08-20 15:20:55] <Hfmbears> IDK, can somebody tell me what it is
[2016-08-20 15:20:55] <Alex.sapre> Just remove it and let users tell admins.
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[2016-08-20 15:21:01] <TrevorOntario719> that would work.
[2016-08-20 15:21:03] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 15:21:04] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
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[2016-08-20 15:21:06] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Simpler.
[2016-08-20 15:21:08] <MightyMorphinJon> I think we should put back the commments.
[2016-08-20 15:21:09] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per above
[2016-08-20 15:21:14] <Hfmbears> Agreed
[2016-08-20 15:21:15] <MightyMorphinJon> That are not by administrators.
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[2016-08-20 15:21:24] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Hmm.
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[2016-08-20 15:21:24] <AMK152> there used to be a report user feature on Wikia, but for some reason they got rid of it
[2016-08-20 15:21:24] <Hfmbears> Well, I'm gonna go, cya
[2016-08-20 15:21:25] <Alex.sapre> If it gets too clogged up on a wall, then we can re create it
[2016-08-20 15:21:25] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I say have users just tell the admins (like everyone else).
[2016-08-20 15:21:27] <SpongeFreddy777> But what if an admin gets way too many reports?
[2016-08-20 15:21:28] <MightyMorphinJon> Other users should also leave their thoughts.
[2016-08-20 15:21:28] <Squiddleward> that would work for trolls but the more controversial ones...
[2016-08-20 15:21:28] <TrevorOntario719> I say we make reporting something you do directly for chat.
[2016-08-20 15:21:30] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Because most admins might not knoe
[2016-08-20 15:21:34] <AustinD-3> Yeah, to me users being reported for "being rude" is kind of excessive.
[2016-08-20 15:21:34] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> know
[2016-08-20 15:21:35] <TrevorOntario719> You say !report
[2016-08-20 15:21:39] <TrevorOntario719> then it asks some questions
[2016-08-20 15:21:46] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:21:48] <Mismagius_Star> That seems cool
[2016-08-20 15:21:50] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Sounds good.
[2016-08-20 15:21:53] <SpongeFreddy777> per raki
[2016-08-20 15:21:54] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 15:21:55] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> what about abuse
[2016-08-20 15:21:56] <FlyingDutchmen> per above
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[2016-08-20 15:21:58] <SpongeFreddy777> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:21:58] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> SpongeFreddy777: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~83 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:22:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> with it
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[2016-08-20 15:22:06] <AMK152> so we would need a better reporting system
[2016-08-20 15:22:07] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:22:08] <MightyMorphinJon> Speaking of "being rude", I think some people take advantage of the word "rude" on here a lot.
[2016-08-20 15:22:09] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> if a troll comes in and abuses it
[2016-08-20 15:22:15] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> We should talk to Sactage about that.
[2016-08-20 15:22:15] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per jon
[2016-08-20 15:22:17] <AW10> we can make user handle dispute on their own, someone reports users and then trial starts
[2016-08-20 15:22:18] <MightyMorphinJon> Sometimes if you warn someone, they think you're being rude.
[2016-08-20 15:22:23] <SpongeFreddy777> the bot would automatically turn off if it is being abused
[2016-08-20 15:22:26] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
[2016-08-20 15:22:32] <SpongeFreddy777> in otherwords, leave chat
[2016-08-20 15:22:37] <Greatness_The_NightWing> I'd agree with that.
[2016-08-20 15:22:38] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I already have a slight idea.
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[2016-08-20 15:22:45] <SpongeFreddy777> per Antonio
[2016-08-20 15:22:49] <TrevorOntario719> yes, Choco?
[2016-08-20 15:22:53] <FlyingDutchmen> per AW10
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[2016-08-20 15:22:58] <MightyMorphinJon> Who is Antonio, SpongeFreddy?
[2016-08-20 15:22:59] <Nicko756> !commands
[2016-08-20 15:23:05] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756, all defined commands are: !quit, !plugins, !ignore (.*), !unignore (.*), !commands, !source|^src|^git(?:hub)?, !updatelogs, !logs, !updated, !seenon, !seenoff, !tell ([^ ]+) (.+), !seen (.*), !tellon, !telloff, !yton, !ytoff. (Confused? Learn regex!)
[2016-08-20 15:23:06] <FlyingDutchmen> AW10
[2016-08-20 15:23:06] <FlyingDutchmen> @Jon
[2016-08-20 15:23:06] <TrevorOntario719> Jon, Antonio is AW10.
[2016-08-20 15:23:07] <Alex.sapre> AW10 @Jon
[2016-08-20 15:23:09] <SpongeFreddy777> @Jon AW
[2016-08-20 15:23:15] <MightyMorphinJon> Okay.
[2016-08-20 15:23:15] <AW10> http://aw10-sandbox.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Community_first_approach
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[2016-08-20 15:23:20] <Alex.sapre> !updatelogs
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[2016-08-20 15:23:20] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Alex.sapre: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~36 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:23:20] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> When the user reports, the bot asks what they would report for. The options are harassment, spam, language, etc.
[2016-08-20 15:23:21] <AW10> this is what I mean by trial
[2016-08-20 15:23:36] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:23:36] <SpongeFreddy777> brb
[2016-08-20 15:23:39] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> The user picks one, then the bot automatically sends it to an admins message wall.
[2016-08-20 15:23:41] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> CBB good idea
[2016-08-20 15:23:44] <CustardTheWikiBird> good idea
[2016-08-20 15:23:45] <MightyMorphinJon> Before thinking of it, how about we do it?
[2016-08-20 15:23:46] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> This could work.
[2016-08-20 15:23:47] <AW10> esb:conflict
[2016-08-20 15:23:54] <Greatness_The_NightWing> It could work.
[2016-08-20 15:23:54] <TrevorOntario719> That sounds good, Choco.
[2016-08-20 15:23:57] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Jon, we need to contact Sactage about it.
[2016-08-20 15:23:58] <MightyMorphinJon> It's hard for Sactage to do that, as she doesn't update bots anymore.
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[2016-08-20 15:24:08] <AMK152> now, would that prolong an issue with trolls?
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[2016-08-20 15:24:09] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> We should address PM trollers
[2016-08-20 15:24:16] <TrevorOntario719> I agree.
[2016-08-20 15:24:19] <Nicko756> Yes, that would
[2016-08-20 15:24:24] <MightyMorphinJon> Like drama, trolls can never be stopped.
[2016-08-20 15:24:24] <Squiddleward> chat moderators have no jurisdiction over pm
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[2016-08-20 15:24:27] <TrevorOntario719> I think the chatbot should log pm's
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[2016-08-20 15:24:30] <Squiddleward> just block their pm and ignore
[2016-08-20 15:24:31] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-08-20 15:24:33] <Greatness_The_NightWing> It's very hard to get caught in PMs.
[2016-08-20 15:24:35] <TrevorOntario719> whenever you say !logs in PM
[2016-08-20 15:24:38] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yeah.
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[2016-08-20 15:24:45] <AMK152> ignoring a troll in PM is the only way to comat that
[2016-08-20 15:24:47] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:24:49] <Squiddleward> yes.
[2016-08-20 15:24:51] <CustardTheWikiBird> or blocking their PM
[2016-08-20 15:24:53] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 15:24:56] <MightyMorphinJon> But seriously, that's like saying I as an admin can swear in a PM, and I get away with it.
[2016-08-20 15:24:56] <SonicTheEpic> AMK I have a question in PM
[2016-08-20 15:24:57] <Nicko756> Yeah
[2016-08-20 15:24:58] <MightyMorphinJon> That's not good.
[2016-08-20 15:24:58] <Alex.sapre> The sheer amount of PMs to log will be too much.
[2016-08-20 15:25:09] <Alex.sapre> That's the way it has to be.
[2016-08-20 15:25:10] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> To be honest, users need some freedom ans PMs shouldn't be monitored unless it's a serious issue.
[2016-08-20 15:25:12] <TrevorOntario719> That's the problem.
[2016-08-20 15:25:13] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I don't know if logging PMs would work. I mean a point of a PM is to be private.
[2016-08-20 15:25:14] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Jon
[2016-08-20 15:25:19] <FlyingDutchmen> per CCB
[2016-08-20 15:25:21] <TheJasbre202> CBB is right
[2016-08-20 15:25:23] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 15:25:26] <TrevorOntario719> Nothing is private, Jack...
[2016-08-20 15:25:35] <TrevorOntario719> but you are right.
[2016-08-20 15:25:35] <Alex.sapre> PM stands for private message though
[2016-08-20 15:25:35] <TrevorOntario719> and so is CBB
[2016-08-20 15:25:38] <AW10> I do not know will it work, but if people stop getting affected by trolls, trolls will lose interest
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[2016-08-20 15:25:42] <Depth_Strider_10> Per Brownie
[2016-08-20 15:25:47] <TheJasbre202> As sometimes we work on shows that are secret or private to other people, and I wouldn't like that being monitored by people.
[2016-08-20 15:25:47] <AMK152> we should clearly define PM policies in the chat policies
[2016-08-20 15:25:49] <Greatness_The_NightWing> I agree, AW.
[2016-08-20 15:25:49] <AMK152> yeah
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[2016-08-20 15:25:50] <MightyMorphinJon> I agree, AW10.
[2016-08-20 15:25:57] <MightyMorphinJon> I think people need to tolerate.
[2016-08-20 15:25:59] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Users like GeorgeBushJr will not
[2016-08-20 15:26:00] <MightyMorphinJon> And ignore.
[2016-08-20 15:26:00] <TrevorOntario719> I agree, Andrew.
[2016-08-20 15:26:05] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> they keep coming back
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[2016-08-20 15:26:07] <TheThomas5252> That's a good idea.
[2016-08-20 15:26:08] <AustinD-3> pm logs are impossible I believe.
[2016-08-20 15:26:13] <AW10> trolls wants to cause disrupt, if they are unable to cause it, they will just leave
[2016-08-20 15:26:15] <Alex.sapre> I think as long as you're not harassing users in PM, you should be free to do wahtever you want.
[2016-08-20 15:26:16] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Trolls will return with alts.
[2016-08-20 15:26:25] <MightyMorphinJon> Not unless if you IP block them.
[2016-08-20 15:26:26] <Squiddleward> can't you just block their pm?
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[2016-08-20 15:26:35] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes, Squiddle.
[2016-08-20 15:26:35] <AMK152> ok, enough about PM trolls; we cannot do anything about them until they troll publically
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[2016-08-20 15:26:41] <TrevorOntario719> They could easily flood chat
[2016-08-20 15:26:41] <AW10> so, more mindfull users are, less power trolls have
[2016-08-20 15:26:47] <Alex.sapre> IP blocks are very easy to bypass.
[2016-08-20 15:26:47] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> They might be able to change their IPs. @Jon
[2016-08-20 15:26:48] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
[2016-08-20 15:26:49] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Alright, the thing is.
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[2016-08-20 15:26:55] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Trolls like to mess with us.
[2016-08-20 15:26:59] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:27:00] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
[2016-08-20 15:27:02] <MightyMorphinJon> No, the thingi s.
[2016-08-20 15:27:05] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:27:07] <Greatness_The_NightWing> If we just ignore them, then they'll become much less of a problem.
[2016-08-20 15:27:13] <MightyMorphinJon> That mean people can't tolerate.
[2016-08-20 15:27:15] <AMK152> AW10 is right; if we understand that trolls do not have any power, that empowers us
[2016-08-20 15:27:16] <MightyMorphinJon> Some people are just very sensitive and can't ignore.
[2016-08-20 15:27:17] <TrevorOntario719> we should put this in the policy.
[2016-08-20 15:27:18] <AW10> no one can mess with you if you do not let it
[2016-08-20 15:27:18] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> BUT we can't ignore them all the time.
[2016-08-20 15:27:24] <SonicTheEpic> How are we supposed to ignore them
[2016-08-20 15:27:25] <FlyingDutchmen> per AW
[2016-08-20 15:27:26] <TrevorOntario719> Users are advised to not keep in contact with trolls.
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[2016-08-20 15:27:35] <AustinD-3> Adam: Block the pms.
[2016-08-20 15:27:40] <AW10> no matter what is said to you, you can just leave it be
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[2016-08-20 15:27:44] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Follow the phrase, "Don't feed the trolls."
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[2016-08-20 15:27:45] <MightyMorphinJon> Austin, this is not about PMs anymore.
[2016-08-20 15:27:46] <AMK152> what AW10 means is that some people complain about trolls, and keep talking about them
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[2016-08-20 15:27:51] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Like if they are exesessivly spamming, etc.
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[2016-08-20 15:28:03] <SonicTheEpic> Austin, I'm not talking about individually, I'm talking about ESB.
[2016-08-20 15:28:03] <TrevorOntario719> Per CBB
[2016-08-20 15:28:05] <Alex.sapre> ！updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:28:06] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Or if they are violating our policies in general.
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[2016-08-20 15:28:12] <Alex.sapre> !updatelogs
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[2016-08-20 15:28:14] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
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[2016-08-20 15:28:14] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Alex.sapre: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~121 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:28:14] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~2 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:28:29] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> If we kick, they will think we are intimidated and come back.
[2016-08-20 15:28:31] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:28:35] <TrevorOntario719> ^
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[2016-08-20 15:28:38] <TheJasbre202> ^
[2016-08-20 15:28:40] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:28:44] <TheThomas5252> ^
[2016-08-20 15:28:46] <Nicko756> Stop.
[2016-08-20 15:28:48] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Simply ignoring them should probably do the trick.
[2016-08-20 15:28:55] <TrevorOntario719> okay, thats enough everyone
[2016-08-20 15:28:55] <Alex.sapre> So are you saying we should ban instead?
[2016-08-20 15:28:55] <GeorgeBushJr> What's going on
[2016-08-20 15:28:56] <AMK152> no, if you kick them, they will no we mean business
[2016-08-20 15:28:57] <Squiddleward> the ^ thing is getting out of hand
[2016-08-20 15:29:00] <AW10> what AW10 means is that some people complain about trolls, and keep talking about them;
[2016-08-20 15:29:00] <AW10> yes, and that what encourages them to continue, because it confirms they are sucesseful at causing disrupt
[2016-08-20 15:29:06] <MightyMorphinJon> I said stop "up"-ing people. You didn't listen to me 
[2016-08-20 15:29:07] <Alex.sapre> Because we shouldn't let trolls break the rules
[2016-08-20 15:29:13] <TrevorOntario719> yeah, but some trolls take pleasure in kicking.
[2016-08-20 15:29:14] <MightyMorphinJon> One person can do it, but not a flood.
[2016-08-20 15:29:22] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yea
[2016-08-20 15:29:22] <AMK152> right now, the trolls are winning, we we need to do something else
[2016-08-20 15:29:23] <TheJasbre202> Sorry
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[2016-08-20 15:29:34] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
[2016-08-20 15:29:34] <MightyMorphinJon> I see the only thing we're talking about is the chat.
[2016-08-20 15:29:34] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Some trolls also take pleasure in banning.
[2016-08-20 15:29:42] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Let's see... what else could be a possible solution?
[2016-08-20 15:29:48] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> You know what I think needs to be done?
[2016-08-20 15:29:49] <AMK152> and AW10 is right about the mindset; we are better than the trolls; we need to realize that we can defeat them
[2016-08-20 15:29:49] <Alex.sapre> We can't let them run loose in caht however.
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[2016-08-20 15:29:59] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Not just on ESB, but across Wikia network.
[2016-08-20 15:30:00] <MightyMorphinJon> As strict as it sounds, we need to block chat trolls.
[2016-08-20 15:30:07] <Squiddleward> for how long?
[2016-08-20 15:30:17] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> IP blocks should last the same length as a block.
[2016-08-20 15:30:17] <AMK152> infinite
[2016-08-20 15:30:22] <AustinD-3> I say if a troll is trolling its an instant block.
[2016-08-20 15:30:22] <FlyingDutchmen> infinite
[2016-08-20 15:30:23] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Probably infinite.
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[2016-08-20 15:30:27] <TrevorOntario719> I agree with this.
[2016-08-20 15:30:28] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> As IP blocks only last a day.
[2016-08-20 15:30:34] <Squiddleward> seems fair
[2016-08-20 15:30:34] <MightyMorphinJon> Block trolls like sockpupets, infinite.
[2016-08-20 15:30:34] <Depth_Strider_10> I agree with infinite.
[2016-08-20 15:30:34] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
[2016-08-20 15:30:34] <ZeoSpark> Lags should buffer out...
[2016-08-20 15:30:34] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> ZeoSpark, Cans48 told you: how was your break?
[2016-08-20 15:30:35] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> ZeoSpark, Alex.sapre told you: Welcome back to chat
[2016-08-20 15:30:35] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> ZeoSpark, Cans48 told you: welcome to the convention
[2016-08-20 15:30:35] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> ZeoSpark, Jordan2001 told you: welcome to the convention!
[2016-08-20 15:30:35] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> ZeoSpark, SonicTheEpic told you: Welcome back to chat
[2016-08-20 15:30:35] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> ZeoSpark, TrevorOntario719 told you: hi
[2016-08-20 15:30:35] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> ZeoSpark, Alex.sapre told you: Welcome back to chat, even if only for a few hours
[2016-08-20 15:30:36] <TrevorOntario719> We have only blocked people for a week or so.
[2016-08-20 15:30:50] <ZeoSpark> Hm.
[2016-08-20 15:30:50] <AMK152> and if they create new accounts, they can be reported for sockpuppetry
[2016-08-20 15:30:54] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I agree. We need to block trolls for infinite.
[2016-08-20 15:30:57] <TrevorOntario719> Tina has been banned for a month.
[2016-08-20 15:31:04] <Hfmbears> What about that unrelease 2011 SpongeBob special made by Reagal Fims (not to be confused with Regal Films) and MVD
[2016-08-20 15:31:04] <AMK152> that's the problem. Block a troll for a week, they come back
[2016-08-20 15:31:04] <TrevorOntario719> In a month, she will return
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[2016-08-20 15:31:08] <TrevorOntario719> and spout the same nonsense
[2016-08-20 15:31:13] <GeorgeBushJr> I think like in my point of view I trolled once but since I have stopped and people keep talking about it
[2016-08-20 15:31:13] <AustinD-3> Hfm: Stay on topic.
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[2016-08-20 15:31:14] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Short blocks aren't enough.
[2016-08-20 15:31:15] <AW10> well it is not really about defaiitng them, it is about making them fuel-less and thus "defeat" them, our reaction is trolls fuel, if we do not react to thier actions, they will run out of fuel.
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[2016-08-20 15:31:26] <Tucker27> fuck you
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[2016-08-20 15:31:30] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Kick.
[2016-08-20 15:31:30] <AW10> defeating*
[2016-08-20 15:31:30] <AMK152> yeah
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[2016-08-20 15:31:32] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> An indefinite block should probably do the trick.
[2016-08-20 15:31:38] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 15:31:41] <Alex.sapre> Can we ban Tucker instead?
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[2016-08-20 15:31:45] <MightyMorphinJon> AMK, sockpuppets are always blocked infinitely. The same should happen with trolls.. 
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[2016-08-20 15:31:50] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yeah but what about socks
[2016-08-20 15:31:51] <AMK152> and if they want to appeal, they can do so
[2016-08-20 15:31:51] <FlyingDutchmen> agree
[2016-08-20 15:31:59] <FlyingDutchmen> per AMK
[2016-08-20 15:32:03] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 15:32:06] <SonicTheEpic> brb
[2016-08-20 15:32:14] <MightyMorphinJon> Socks are already handled, Brick.
[2016-08-20 15:32:14] <AMK152> so I think we have addressed some of the main problems with trolls, anything else?
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[2016-08-20 15:32:20] <Nicko756> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:32:20] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~98 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:32:23] <Alex.sapre> Requests.
[2016-08-20 15:32:24] <TrevorOntario719> not really, Andrew.
[2016-08-20 15:32:27] <TrevorOntario719> oh yes.
[2016-08-20 15:32:28] <MightyMorphinJon> Why are we ONLY talking about the chat?
[2016-08-20 15:32:28] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Drama?
[2016-08-20 15:32:31] <AustinD-3> troll requests.
[2016-08-20 15:32:31] <AW10> in other words, the fact that we are discussing trolls is what fuels them
[2016-08-20 15:32:33] <TrevorOntario719> Requests. How could I forget.
[2016-08-20 15:32:35] <MightyMorphinJon> This is about ESB.
[2016-08-20 15:32:44] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Of course, the requests.
[2016-08-20 15:32:44] <AustinD-3> You should have to contact an admin to make a request.
[2016-08-20 15:32:45] <Alex.sapre> For assistant, it only requires 50 edits minimum.
[2016-08-20 15:32:45] <AMK152> troll discussion applies to forums too
[2016-08-20 15:32:46] <TrevorOntario719> And don't forget about trolls that troll users on their walls.
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[2016-08-20 15:32:48] <AMK152> because trolling is a huge issue
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[2016-08-20 15:32:52] <AustinD-3> and if they aproove
[2016-08-20 15:32:55] <AustinD-3> you can make it
[2016-08-20 15:32:56] <Nicko756> Per AMK.
[2016-08-20 15:32:57] <AustinD-3> if they dont
[2016-08-20 15:32:59] <AustinD-3> you cant
[2016-08-20 15:33:04] <MightyMorphinJon> Austin, does that go for admin requests also?
[2016-08-20 15:33:10] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> No.
[2016-08-20 15:33:11] <GeorgeBushJr> i have something to say
[2016-08-20 15:33:11] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Only 50 edits? That sounds too small IMO.
[2016-08-20 15:33:13] <TrevorOntario719> I believe troll requests should get punishment.
[2016-08-20 15:33:13] <AMK152> we will talk about requests in a bit
[2016-08-20 15:33:18] <TrevorOntario719> oh, okay.
[2016-08-20 15:33:18] <AMK152> STOP
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[2016-08-20 15:33:34] <AMK152> is there anything on trolls we have not addressed?
[2016-08-20 15:33:34] <Alex.sapre> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:33:34] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Alex.sapre: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~33 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:33:47] <Greatness_The_NightWing> I don't think so.
[2016-08-20 15:33:54] <MightyMorphinJon> I think we are done with trolls for now.
[2016-08-20 15:33:55] <AMK152> ok then, moving on
[2016-08-20 15:33:55] <GeorgeBushJr> I want to say that I have stopped trolling and I would not like people talking about me
[2016-08-20 15:33:55] <AMK152> to drama in general
[2016-08-20 15:34:02] <TrevorOntario719> okay
[2016-08-20 15:34:02] <AMK152> non-troll drama
[2016-08-20 15:34:14] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> There's drama lurking everywhere.
[2016-08-20 15:34:14] <AMK152> we said that we do not have a clear definition
[2016-08-20 15:34:14] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Such as arguments?
[2016-08-20 15:34:15] <MightyMorphinJon> Alright, I've been thinking of this.
[2016-08-20 15:34:21] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Ime too
[2016-08-20 15:34:27] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> one sec
[2016-08-20 15:34:27] <AMK152> Yes, Jon?
[2016-08-20 15:34:31] <MightyMorphinJon> I can make an example but it would be talking behind someones back.
[2016-08-20 15:34:45] <MightyMorphinJon> I would take Cans48 as a example.
[2016-08-20 15:34:45] <TrevorOntario719> use a fake name.
[2016-08-20 15:34:45] <AMK152> just say User X
[2016-08-20 15:34:50] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Sensitive users, overreactions, etc.
[2016-08-20 15:34:52] <MightyMorphinJon> A non-troll, but still causes drama.
[2016-08-20 15:35:03] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:35:03] <AMK152> anyone, continue
[2016-08-20 15:35:07] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> lots of it
[2016-08-20 15:35:18] <Greatness_The_NightWing> Most likely inexperienced users unintentionally causing drama.
[2016-08-20 15:35:18] <AMK152> and what do you mean by "drama"?
[2016-08-20 15:35:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Like just gets in arguments with users
[2016-08-20 15:35:26] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> for no reason
[2016-08-20 15:35:26] <TrevorOntario719> he gets in lots of fights.
[2016-08-20 15:35:33] <TrevorOntario719> and overreacts a lot.
[2016-08-20 15:35:34] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> causing us to take sides
[2016-08-20 15:35:36] <AW10> drama is just a feeling of unsatisfaction with the way ESB is, the better ESB is the less drama, we cannot directly handle drama
[2016-08-20 15:35:39] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Cans has done some stuff and refuses to take admins warnings.
[2016-08-20 15:35:40] <Alex.sapre> There is also user y, who seems to make a minor issue into a large paragraph debate.
[2016-08-20 15:35:49] <Greatness_The_NightWing> ...I might have a definition of drama.
[2016-08-20 15:35:50] <SonicTheEpic> Cans doesn't know he causes drama, he just questions a lot and is sensitive.
[2016-08-20 15:35:50] <TrevorOntario719> User X overreacted to a failed chat mod request
[2016-08-20 15:35:51] <MightyMorphinJon> He made a "I am done." blog 
[2016-08-20 15:35:58] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> and holds on to things 
[2016-08-20 15:36:04] <AW10> making ESB better is reducing drama
[2016-08-20 15:36:11] <MightyMorphinJon> Sonic, you should see him in PM, he acts very different.
[2016-08-20 15:36:14] <AW10> but drama will always be
[2016-08-20 15:36:25] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
[2016-08-20 15:36:25] <AMK152> true
[2016-08-20 15:36:25] <AMK152> the idea is to reduce it
[2016-08-20 15:36:26] <SonicTheEpic> Jon explain
[2016-08-20 15:36:30] <GeorgeBushJr> I guess I will go then 
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[2016-08-20 15:36:34] <TrevorOntario719> Per Sonic
[2016-08-20 15:36:37] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> He blocked my PMs because I kicked him for misbehaving.
[2016-08-20 15:36:42] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:36:43] <MightyMorphinJon> Shall I show you a pastebin?
[2016-08-20 15:36:46] <MightyMorphinJon> About him?
[2016-08-20 15:36:46] <Greatness_The_NightWing> "Drama" is a topic that is talked about a lot, whether it be positive or negative.
[2016-08-20 15:36:50] <TrevorOntario719> I've seen it, Jon.
[2016-08-20 15:36:54] <SonicTheEpic> Show me
[2016-08-20 15:36:55] <TrevorOntario719> It was quite the log.
[2016-08-20 15:36:56] <Alex.sapre> Assuming it's appropriate
[2016-08-20 15:37:02] <LaGarola> EY
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[2016-08-20 15:37:06] <AMK152> no win the case of these non-troll arguments, AW10's trial idea would work well
[2016-08-20 15:37:08] <AW10> and to reduce it, our goal should be contentment of users, that is the other side of the coin
[2016-08-20 15:37:15] <AustinD-3> its not appropiete, you;d have to pm it.
[2016-08-20 15:37:15] <AMK152> we could address the problems directly
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[2016-08-20 15:37:16] <Alex.sapre> Don't greet, we're in a meeting @la
[2016-08-20 15:37:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per AMK
[2016-08-20 15:37:26] <MightyMorphinJon> It has one swear word in it from Cans.
[2016-08-20 15:37:26] <AustinD-3> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:37:26] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> AustinD-3: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~69 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:37:31] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> That works, AMK.
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[2016-08-20 15:37:49] <AMK152> because we wouldn't have a trial on trolls, we would have a trial on general users who misbehave at times
[2016-08-20 15:37:50] <MightyMorphinJon> Please read it, just because it has one word doesn't mean it can't be shown.
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[2016-08-20 15:38:09] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I like the idea AMK and AW
[2016-08-20 15:38:11] <AW10> so, contentment excludes drama
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[2016-08-20 15:38:17] <AW10> if you do not want drama
[2016-08-20 15:38:24] <AW10> focus on contentment
[2016-08-20 15:38:36] <TrevorOntario719> AW10 is right.
[2016-08-20 15:38:37] <MightyMorphinJon> http://pastebin.com/nVVykNkn
[2016-08-20 15:38:37] <AMK152> yeah
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[2016-08-20 15:38:41] <TrevorOntario719> But sometimes its everywhere.
[2016-08-20 15:38:41] <AMK152> it does go back to what leads to arguments in drama; lack of content
[2016-08-20 15:38:44] <CustardTheWikiBird> has a cuss in it...
[2016-08-20 15:38:45] <TrevorOntario719> You just can't escape it.
[2016-08-20 15:38:55] <SonicTheEpic> Custard he said that
[2016-08-20 15:39:06] <MightyMorphinJon> For those you have read it, you don't read to read it again.
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[2016-08-20 15:39:29] <Alex.sapre> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:39:29] <LaGarola> ?
[2016-08-20 15:39:29] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Alex.sapre: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~25 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:39:46] <TrevorOntario719> AMK, you mean content as in happiness, right?
[2016-08-20 15:39:46] <AMK152> I think implementing AW10's trial idea would be a good first step; to get in front of certain issues with certain users, instead of letting them linger on
[2016-08-20 15:40:03] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Agreed.
[2016-08-20 15:40:03] <AMK152> yes
[2016-08-20 15:40:08] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-08-20 15:40:11] <TrevorOntario719> I agree with this. This will drastically reduce drama.
[2016-08-20 15:40:13] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes I think the problem is that users just keep talking about them
[2016-08-20 15:40:16] <Nicko756> How long would it last?
[2016-08-20 15:40:19] <Alex.sapre> Sometimes users like to protest warnings quite often
[2016-08-20 15:40:23] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> It will reduce drama.
[2016-08-20 15:40:23] <AMK152> btw, we will take a 10 min break at noon
[2016-08-20 15:40:23] <TrevorOntario719> And ESB chat will be a fun place to talk
[2016-08-20 15:40:26] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> that's why they keep coming back
[2016-08-20 15:40:36] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Okay.
[2016-08-20 15:40:36] <AMK152> we will have to decide on that in a discussion
[2016-08-20 15:40:42] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
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[2016-08-20 15:40:48] <SpongeFreddy777> AMK: Noon EST?
[2016-08-20 15:40:57] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:40:57] <AMK152> yes
[2016-08-20 15:40:57] <AMK152> which is 20 min
[2016-08-20 15:40:58] <TrevorOntario719> most likely, Jersey.
[2016-08-20 15:41:01] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Uh oh.
[2016-08-20 15:41:01] <SonicTheEpic> Okay
[2016-08-20 15:41:03] <SpongeFreddy777> k
[2016-08-20 15:41:08] <TrevorOntario719> What is it, Choco?
[2016-08-20 15:41:11] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I GTG at 12:30 EST.
[2016-08-20 15:41:18] <TrevorOntario719> oh
[2016-08-20 15:41:18] <AMK152> or rather instead of calling it a trial: more of a conflict resolution system
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[2016-08-20 15:41:25] <MightyMorphinJon> Alright, how about we talk about some common stuff?
[2016-08-20 15:41:30] <MightyMorphinJon> Such as vandalism.
[2016-08-20 15:41:30] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per $
[2016-08-20 15:41:33] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Jon
[2016-08-20 15:41:33] <AMK152> hold on
[2016-08-20 15:41:41] <Alex.sapre> AMK, I think you should make a thread saying that the convention is taking plac now
[2016-08-20 15:41:51] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:41:51] <AMK152> anything else on drama in general?
[2016-08-20 15:41:52] <AMK152> I did
[2016-08-20 15:42:00] <MightyMorphinJon> I'm more of a editing type of a user than a chat type of a user, so that concerns me.
[2016-08-20 15:42:14] <TrevorOntario719> have we moved on from talking about troll requests yet?
[2016-08-20 15:42:14] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:42:17] <Depth_Strider_10> Vandalism has been happening a lot more lately 
[2016-08-20 15:42:21] <SonicTheEpic> I have to do something important, I'll be back at 12:10
[2016-08-20 15:42:21] <AMK152> ok, that's in on drama and trolling for now. We have some good ideas.
[2016-08-20 15:42:29] <Alex.sapre> I mean one that says there is a convention right now. and to not disturb chat
[2016-08-20 15:42:34] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:42:34] <AMK152> Next, requests and discussions
[2016-08-20 15:42:40] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Requests.
[2016-08-20 15:42:46] <FlyingDutchmen> 
[2016-08-20 15:42:47] <TrevorOntario719> I would like to say Troll Requests should be punished.
[2016-08-20 15:42:50] <FlyingDutchmen> Requests
[2016-08-20 15:42:50] <AMK152> kind of both
[2016-08-20 15:42:51] <SpongeFreddy777> Troll requests
[2016-08-20 15:42:56] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Trolls
[2016-08-20 15:42:56] <AMK152> what is the main issues in regards to requests?
[2016-08-20 15:42:57] <TrevorOntario719> Chat mod requests should give you chat bans.
[2016-08-20 15:43:04] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would say that the assistant request need to have more stricter criteria.
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[2016-08-20 15:43:05] <TrevorOntario719> Anything else should give you a normal block
[2016-08-20 15:43:11] <SpongeFreddy777> Dutchmen, please don't blank
[2016-08-20 15:43:14] <MightyMorphinJon> I agree, Chocolate.
[2016-08-20 15:43:17] <Depth_Strider_10> Per Brownie
[2016-08-20 15:43:21] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> 50 edits as a minimum is not enough.
[2016-08-20 15:43:21] <AMK152> I have been developing some new criteria for ALL requests
[2016-08-20 15:43:22] <Squiddleward> 50 mainspace edits?
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[2016-08-20 15:43:27] <TrevorOntario719> I agree with Choco.
[2016-08-20 15:43:28] <FlyingDutchmen> yeah
[2016-08-20 15:43:32] <Squiddleward> some users have requested with 0 mainspace edits
[2016-08-20 15:43:32] <AMK152> let me get it
[2016-08-20 15:43:37] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Alright.
[2016-08-20 15:43:38] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Honestly, 50 sounds way too little.
[2016-08-20 15:43:39] <MightyMorphinJon> 500 mainspace edits?
[2016-08-20 15:43:43] <Depth_Strider_10> It has to be like 700 mainspace edits.
[2016-08-20 15:43:44] <FlyingDutchmen> 500
[2016-08-20 15:43:44] <AMK152> a. The follow requirements apply to all position.
[2016-08-20 15:43:44] <AMK152> b. User must have support from a majority of all administrators.
[2016-08-20 15:43:44] <AMK152> c. User must have at least one hundred (100) edits.
[2016-08-20 15:43:44] <AMK152> d. User must have a clean block record for at least one (1) month.
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[2016-08-20 15:43:47] <FlyingDutchmen> sounds good
[2016-08-20 15:43:54] <Depth_Strider_10> 700 is better for me,
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[2016-08-20 15:44:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Sounds good AMK
[2016-08-20 15:44:05] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I am liking this idea.
[2016-08-20 15:44:06] <Squiddleward> even chat mod?
[2016-08-20 15:44:07] <MightyMorphinJon> I think we need to all agree on the edit amount.
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[2016-08-20 15:44:14] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> 100 total edits?
[2016-08-20 15:44:14] <AMK152> Yes, chat mod
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[2016-08-20 15:44:26] <FlyingDutchmen> 200 for chat mod?
[2016-08-20 15:44:29] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> But I'd say a minimum of 100 edits, 50 being mainspace.
[2016-08-20 15:44:29] <SpongeFreddy777> For the chat mod requests, I think there should be a new criteria:
[2016-08-20 15:44:29] <SpongeFreddy777> User must have not been banned for the past two (2) months
[2016-08-20 15:44:29] <MightyMorphinJon> Dejavu was chat mod and she didn't have 100 edits.
[2016-08-20 15:44:33] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
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[2016-08-20 15:44:33] <AMK152> the reason I saw all positions is because for 100 edits for a chat mod, we get to see their behavior outside the chat room to make a more informed decision
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[2016-08-20 15:44:52] <Squiddleward> concern: edit farming
[2016-08-20 15:44:55] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-08-20 15:44:56] <AMK152> we can make it 50 mainspace
[2016-08-20 15:44:57] <TrevorOntario719> I don't agree with 50 being mainspace.
[2016-08-20 15:44:59] <AW10> although I was originally against this, I think that not all votes on request should value the same, more experience and maturity of user greater value of vote
[2016-08-20 15:45:00] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
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[2016-08-20 15:45:08] <SpongeFreddy777> Per AW
[2016-08-20 15:45:10] <FlyingDutchmen> per AW
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[2016-08-20 15:45:14] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per AW
[2016-08-20 15:45:16] <MightyMorphinJon> I think the assistant requests need to be taken care of
[2016-08-20 15:45:21] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:45:27] <MightyMorphinJon> Actually you know,, for all requests we should have a system.
[2016-08-20 15:45:27] <ZeoSpark> Hm.
[2016-08-20 15:45:27] <AMK152> elaborate AW10
[2016-08-20 15:45:33] <SpongeFreddy777> I'm going to check the page
[2016-08-20 15:45:34] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yes but what would define experience and maturity?
[2016-08-20 15:45:34] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I agree with Jon.
[2016-08-20 15:45:40] <TrevorOntario719> Your position.
[2016-08-20 15:45:41] <MightyMorphinJon> Where it asks you a question.
[2016-08-20 15:45:44] <Depth_Strider_10> I feel like 700 mainspace edits for assistant should be the requirement.
[2016-08-20 15:45:51] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
[2016-08-20 15:45:53] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:45:54] <TrevorOntario719> Are you admin? Crat? Former Admin? Assistant? Rollback?
[2016-08-20 15:45:57] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:45:57] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I agree with Depth.
[2016-08-20 15:46:00] <MightyMorphinJon> Such as if you're applying for admin: "How long have you been an assistant"
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[2016-08-20 15:46:11] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I was also having an idea, but IDK if we could perfect it.
[2016-08-20 15:46:18] <AW10> it is not requirements that should be taken care of, it is that tons of new user can cause someone to get some rights and we cannot do anything to stop it
[2016-08-20 15:46:23] <MightyMorphinJon> "How many mainspace edits do you have? -(insert number)
[2016-08-20 15:46:23] <AMK152> That's another thing I was thinking about. Questions for people to answer instead of a blank slate.
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[2016-08-20 15:46:27] <SpongeFreddy777> tbh assistants should have at least 250 mainspace
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[2016-08-20 15:46:45] <AMK152> AW10: Yeah, I have noticed that.
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[2016-08-20 15:46:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I like that idea AmK
[2016-08-20 15:46:52] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> AMK
[2016-08-20 15:46:52] <AMK152> What are everyone's thoughts on voter requirements?
[2016-08-20 15:46:52] <FlyingDutchmen> 500 mainspace for assistant is enough
[2016-08-20 15:47:05] <Depth_Strider_10> 500 is good enough.
[2016-08-20 15:47:05] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> There should be a requirement for users to be able to vote.
[2016-08-20 15:47:08] <SpongeFreddy777> but guys
[2016-08-20 15:47:13] <Alex.sapre> Assistant request criteria is not good
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[2016-08-20 15:47:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 100 edits chat mod, not banned for that
[2016-08-20 15:47:17] <MightyMorphinJon> one month to be able to vote
[2016-08-20 15:47:19] <Squiddleward> vote requirements: account 1 month old on esb
[2016-08-20 15:47:24] <SpongeFreddy777> it says 1k main for BUREAUCRAT
[2016-08-20 15:47:24] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:47:25] <FlyingDutchmen> 
[2016-08-20 15:47:26] <TrevorOntario719> Per Squiddle
[2016-08-20 15:47:30] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:47:36] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yeah, one month.
[2016-08-20 15:47:36] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> So I would say that maybe when you request, it automatically scans your userpage to see if you qualify. If you meet the rights, you can go on ahead, if not, it'll say which requirements you don't meet.
[2016-08-20 15:47:37] <MightyMorphinJon> SpongeFreddy, that is not a lot.
[2016-08-20 15:47:40] <Alex.sapre> It gives users the sense that when they have at least 50 edits, they can have a chance.
[2016-08-20 15:47:42] <SpongeFreddy777> Per squiddle
[2016-08-20 15:47:42] <AMK152> at least 1 month from first edit in order to vote?
[2016-08-20 15:47:43] <Nicko756> It's 2,000 edits @SpongeFreddy
[2016-08-20 15:47:44] <TrevorOntario719> Rocko, please do not type blanks.
[2016-08-20 15:47:47] <ZeoSpark> That should fix it..
[2016-08-20 15:47:54] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yea
[2016-08-20 15:47:55] <SpongeFreddy777> Nicko, 2k with 1k MAINSPACE
[2016-08-20 15:47:56] <Nicko756> Wait, nvm
[2016-08-20 15:47:56] <TrevorOntario719> I agree with Choco.
[2016-08-20 15:48:04] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would say 1 month being an active user.
[2016-08-20 15:48:05] <AMK152> what about edit requirement for voting?
[2016-08-20 15:48:12] <FlyingDutchmen> 200*
[2016-08-20 15:48:12] <SpongeFreddy777> Support
[2016-08-20 15:48:13] <FlyingDutchmen> ?
[2016-08-20 15:48:15] <TrevorOntario719> no edit requirement.
[2016-08-20 15:48:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 100 edits
[2016-08-20 15:48:19] <Squiddleward> i was thinking more of a time requirement
[2016-08-20 15:48:20] <ZeoSpark> I do dislike that new users are able to vote on things.
[2016-08-20 15:48:20] <TrevorOntario719> Just be on for a month.
[2016-08-20 15:48:21] <Depth_Strider_10> 300 editas
[2016-08-20 15:48:22] <MightyMorphinJon> 100 edits 
[2016-08-20 15:48:24] <Depth_Strider_10> *edits
[2016-08-20 15:48:26] <MightyMorphinJon> and one month
[2016-08-20 15:48:33] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I agree with Jon.
[2016-08-20 15:48:35] <Depth_Strider_10> yeah
[2016-08-20 15:48:38] <ZeoSpark> Because that user could bring users from different wikis to support their request.
[2016-08-20 15:48:41] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I agree with Jon as well.
[2016-08-20 15:48:41] <AMK152> some of these discussions are very important; what about 2 months?
[2016-08-20 15:48:42] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Me too
[2016-08-20 15:48:48] <Depth_Strider_10> 1 month and 100 edits is probably good enough.
[2016-08-20 15:48:53] <MightyMorphinJon> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:48:53] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-08-20 15:48:57] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Depth
[2016-08-20 15:48:57] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would say 2 may be too restricting.
[2016-08-20 15:48:59] <Mb13566> maybe like 250-350 edits?
[2016-08-20 15:49:08] <ZeoSpark> If the edits are good at least...
[2016-08-20 15:49:08] <AMK152> i do like 100 edits for voting
[2016-08-20 15:49:12] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Then people like me can't vote
[2016-08-20 15:49:14] <TrevorOntario719> I say 25 edits, and 1 month
[2016-08-20 15:49:14] <FlyingDutchmen> per AMK
[2016-08-20 15:49:18] <MightyMorphinJon> This is chat mod you're talking about, not assistant 
[2016-08-20 15:49:22] <Alex.sapre> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:49:22] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Alex.sapre: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~11 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:49:25] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> 25 sounds too little IMO.
[2016-08-20 15:49:28] <MightyMorphinJon> Wait, nevermind.
[2016-08-20 15:49:28] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> But for chat mods.
[2016-08-20 15:49:29] <AW10> or more precisely, the user who can provide better judgment have vote with greater value than user who cna provide less judgment, the one who is not in chat, cannot really vote on chat moderator request.
[2016-08-20 15:49:31] <TrevorOntario719> How about 50?
[2016-08-20 15:49:35] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:49:35] <AMK152> some of us have been here for years and we understand the dynamics
[2016-08-20 15:49:35] <AustinD-3> 50 sounds good
[2016-08-20 15:49:36] <Mb13566> um
[2016-08-20 15:49:44] <AW10> unless he know the user
[2016-08-20 15:49:44] <SpongeFreddy777> AMK: 50 edits with 25 mainspace edits
[2016-08-20 15:49:44] <ZeoSpark> True.
[2016-08-20 15:49:45] <Nicko756> 1 month to vote? That's too long.
[2016-08-20 15:49:45] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Lots of users are active on the chat room, but not the wiki itself...
[2016-08-20 15:49:46] <Squiddleward> i don't usually vote on cm requests because i don't go on chat
[2016-08-20 15:49:47] <MightyMorphinJon> AMK, speaking of the new "Moderator" right, I think we should rename it
[2016-08-20 15:49:54] <TrevorOntario719> how about 3 weeks?
[2016-08-20 15:50:02] <Mb13566> yeah
[2016-08-20 15:50:06] <ZeoSpark> But a user shouldn't vote on a request if they don't know the user due to being new.
[2016-08-20 15:50:06] <AMK152> AW10: that gives me an idea; maybe certain people should have more "voting points" or something?
[2016-08-20 15:50:09] <ZeoSpark> 3 weeks is too low.
[2016-08-20 15:50:09] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:50:14] <SpongeFreddy777> Squiddle: Chat logs
[2016-08-20 15:50:23] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Voting points?
[2016-08-20 15:50:25] <ZeoSpark> A month is good enough.
[2016-08-20 15:50:25] <TrevorOntario719> then, four weeks.
[2016-08-20 15:50:33] <ZeoSpark> Four weeks is usually a moth.
[2016-08-20 15:50:33] <SpongeFreddy777> 4 weeks is a month
[2016-08-20 15:50:35] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Four weeks is one month.
[2016-08-20 15:50:35] <ZeoSpark> month*
[2016-08-20 15:50:36] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I have an idea for that.
[2016-08-20 15:50:41] <Mb13566> i mean 1 month i dont even think i had 130 edits 
[2016-08-20 15:50:41] <Squiddleward> jersey i do read chat logs, but i only ctrl+f for my name because i'm nosy
[2016-08-20 15:50:55] <SpongeFreddy777> oh lol
[2016-08-20 15:50:55] <AMK152> like, if you have been here for a certain amount of time you get more voting power
[2016-08-20 15:51:01] <Nicko756> No
[2016-08-20 15:51:02] <ZeoSpark> I'd be lying if I say I didn't do the same.
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[2016-08-20 15:51:04] <FlyingDutchmen> sound good AMK
[2016-08-20 15:51:07] <AMK152> but limit to 1 years
[2016-08-20 15:51:12] <ZeoSpark> Though it was to make sure Saw wasnt saying things about me at the time.
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[2016-08-20 15:51:18] <SpongeFreddy777> One year?
[2016-08-20 15:51:26] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I don't think amount of time is enough though.
[2016-08-20 15:51:26] <ZeoSpark> Not that I would make a big deal about it.
[2016-08-20 15:51:26] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:51:26] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~45 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:51:29] <Mb13566> uh
[2016-08-20 15:51:30] <AMK152> 1 year+ = 3 voting points, 6 months = 2 voting points, 1 month+ = 1 voting point
[2016-08-20 15:51:30] <MightyMorphinJon> That's off topic, Zeo.
[2016-08-20 15:51:32] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Brand new users: 0 points Common users: 1 Users that have been here for a year or more: 2 assistants/rollbacks/mods: 3, admins: 4 crats: 5.
[2016-08-20 15:51:34] <Nicko756> All votes should be equal.
[2016-08-20 15:51:39] <ZeoSpark> Jon, quiet.
[2016-08-20 15:51:40] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 15:51:40] <AMK152> or administrators with more voter points?
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[2016-08-20 15:51:52] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:51:53] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per nicko
[2016-08-20 15:51:59] <SpongeFreddy777> Zeo, what?!
[2016-08-20 15:51:59] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> That could work. @AMK
[2016-08-20 15:52:08] <FlyingDutchmen> i don't know
[2016-08-20 15:52:08] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> AMK, I would say crats should have the most points.
[2016-08-20 15:52:14] <AW10> AW10: that gives me an idea; maybe certain people should have more "voting points" or something?
[2016-08-20 15:52:14] <AW10> yes, better judgment capabilities, better voting points; more active in chat, better judgment on chat requsts, the more voting points
[2016-08-20 15:52:14] <TrevorOntario719> if thats the case, then I'll have an extremely high amount of power when it comes to voting.
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[2016-08-20 15:52:16] <TrevorOntario719> I'm only a chat mod.
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[2016-08-20 15:52:21] <Mb13566> huh 
[2016-08-20 15:52:22] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yea
[2016-08-20 15:52:24] <AW10> so, we degine how much voting poiitns user have for certain request
[2016-08-20 15:52:35] <Mb13566> that could work.
[2016-08-20 15:52:36] <Nicko756> We're going to rank votes by their position? Doesn't seem right.
[2016-08-20 15:52:38] <ZeoSpark> Voting points does sound interesting.
[2016-08-20 15:52:45] <FlyingDutchmen> per Nicko
[2016-08-20 15:52:46] <TrevorOntario719> Per Zeo.
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[2016-08-20 15:52:49] <Mb13566> yeah
[2016-08-20 15:52:49] <ZeoSpark> Though...it's flawed...
[2016-08-20 15:52:52] <ZeoSpark> In some ways.
[2016-08-20 15:52:55] <AW10> admin has more voting points on admin request than regualr users
[2016-08-20 15:52:55] <AMK152> 4 points = bureaucrats, 3 points = admins, 2 points = assistants, moderators, chat mods, 1 point = users over 1 month old
[2016-08-20 15:52:58] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> [08:52:37] Nicko756: We're going to rank votes by their position? Doesn't seem right.
[2016-08-20 15:53:04] <Mb13566> true zeo
[2016-08-20 15:53:13] <AW10> but admin from other wiki's may also get points
[2016-08-20 15:53:14] <AMK152> it's an interesting diea
[2016-08-20 15:53:17] <TrevorOntario719> I say that terms like Extremely Strong and Strong, and Weak should have meaning.
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[2016-08-20 15:53:22] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Should we also give them points on their activity?
[2016-08-20 15:53:22] <ZeoSpark> Hm...
[2016-08-20 15:53:24] <MightyMorphinJon> No.
[2016-08-20 15:53:26] <TrevorOntario719> extremely strong is like 3.
[2016-08-20 15:53:28] <Alex.sapre> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:53:28] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Alex.sapre: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~51 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:53:30] <MightyMorphinJon> @trevor
[2016-08-20 15:53:32] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> And how long they've been here?
[2016-08-20 15:53:32] <AMK152> AW10
[2016-08-20 15:53:32] <AMK152> but admin from other wiki's may also get points
[2016-08-20 15:53:32] <AMK152> what do you mean?
[2016-08-20 15:53:33] <TrevorOntario719> strong is 2. weak is .5
[2016-08-20 15:53:35] <AW10> better judgment, higher points
[2016-08-20 15:53:37] <Mb13566> maybe 
[2016-08-20 15:53:39] <ZeoSpark> No, those shouldn't be ranked by points.
[2016-08-20 15:53:48] <AMK152> Zeo is right
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[2016-08-20 15:53:54] <MightyMorphinJon> Percentage is better.
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[2016-08-20 15:53:55] <AustinD-3> so what do voter points do?
[2016-08-20 15:53:55] <ZeoSpark> Honestly, I think the "Extremely Strong" or "Strong" things should be taken out.
[2016-08-20 15:53:55] <SpongeFreddy777> per zeo
[2016-08-20 15:53:59] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> maybe we can like do it time wise
[2016-08-20 15:53:59] <ZeoSpark> I don't really see the point in that.
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[2016-08-20 15:54:10] <AMK152> I agree Zeo
[2016-08-20 15:54:11] <MightyMorphinJon> If you are going to support, just support.
[2016-08-20 15:54:18] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Actually, yeah, Zeo has a point.
[2016-08-20 15:54:18] <Nicko756> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 15:54:18] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~23 to log page).
[2016-08-20 15:54:21] <MightyMorphinJon> Don't do parodies like "Super Strong Support"
[2016-08-20 15:54:22] <TrevorOntario719> thats why I'm suggesting that voter points matter due to supporting your strength of support.
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[2016-08-20 15:54:26] <ZeoSpark> Either just "Oppose", "Neutral", or "Support" None of this "Neutral leaning toward support"
[2016-08-20 15:54:33] <Alex.sapre> Or Mein Libre Gott support.
[2016-08-20 15:54:37] <AW10> "but admin from other wiki's may also get points"
[2016-08-20 15:54:37] <AW10> if one is admin on other wiki, one has experience as admin, so one has more voting points on admin requests
[2016-08-20 15:54:44] <ZeoSpark> And it's pretty annoying users will abuse it by saying "Oh yes Support!"
[2016-08-20 15:54:44] <SpongeFreddy777> Like I did on Nicko' first crat request
[2016-08-20 15:54:53] <SpongeFreddy777> "SUPPORT FOR MY LIFE"
[2016-08-20 15:54:53] <AW10> but not more points on crat request
[2016-08-20 15:54:57] <TrevorOntario719> yeah, but they could admin on dead wikis.
[2016-08-20 15:55:00] <MightyMorphinJon> Or "oppose for the death"
[2016-08-20 15:55:01] <TrevorOntario719> or their own wikis.
[2016-08-20 15:55:06] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> What if he's admin on a wiki that's completly unprofessional.
[2016-08-20 15:55:07] <AustinD-3> what do voting points do????
[2016-08-20 15:55:14] <ZeoSpark> It's pretty unnecessary on major requests like that.
[2016-08-20 15:55:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Requests should not have voter points
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[2016-08-20 15:55:21] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> disscusions should
[2016-08-20 15:55:24] <ZeoSpark> It seems like we're just joking around when we do things like that.
[2016-08-20 15:55:26] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Would being an admin on another wiki really effect them on this one?
[2016-08-20 15:55:34] <TrevorOntario719> Per Jack.
[2016-08-20 15:55:34] <SpongeFreddy777> yes
[2016-08-20 15:55:34] <AMK152> by the looks of it, we need an entirely overhauled system; voting, requests, positions, etc.
[2016-08-20 15:55:38] <TrevorOntario719> You could be an admin on troll pasta.
[2016-08-20 15:55:41] <Cans48> What are we talking about right now?
[2016-08-20 15:55:45] <SpongeFreddy777> because they could be nice there and a jerk here
[2016-08-20 15:55:57] <Squiddleward> voting @cans
[2016-08-20 15:55:58] <ZeoSpark> Definitely. Though I don't really go by behavor on other wikis.
[2016-08-20 15:56:00] <Cans48> k
[2016-08-20 15:56:00] <TrevorOntario719> for example, user Z.
[2016-08-20 15:56:08] <TrevorOntario719> User Z is very rude, and abusive on one chat.
[2016-08-20 15:56:10] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> And they might just be admins via friendship promotions.
[2016-08-20 15:56:10] <ZeoSpark> Otherwise, a good amount of users wouldn't be admins here.
[2016-08-20 15:56:10] <Nicko756> We're talking about giving user with rights more "voter points."
[2016-08-20 15:56:11] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:56:13] <TrevorOntario719> however, he doesn't do much here.
[2016-08-20 15:56:13] <AW10> What if he's admin on a wiki that's completly unprofessional.
[2016-08-20 15:56:13] <AW10> 
[2016-08-20 15:56:13] <AW10> yes, that is why I say, the better judgment, more voting points, adminship on more pofessional wiki brings more points than adminship on less professional
[2016-08-20 15:56:23] <MightyMorphinJon> Trevor, a bureaucrat on trollpasta was a assistant here.
[2016-08-20 15:56:24] <Mb13566> ^
[2016-08-20 15:56:31] <Cans48> Voter points? So, you mean they get more influence in a vote?
[2016-08-20 15:56:32] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 15:56:34] <SpongeFreddy777> Ryu right
[2016-08-20 15:56:35] <AMK152> it's just odd how someone who may be at the wiki for a couple of months with 150 edits really knows an entire sitution and has the same power in voting as admins who ahve been here 2+ years with 5,000 edits
[2016-08-20 15:56:41] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes, Mark.
[2016-08-20 15:56:45] <ZeoSpark> And there are users that behave oddly on SBFW that are admins/assistants here.
[2016-08-20 15:56:53] <Cans48> Yes.
[2016-08-20 15:56:54] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per AMK
[2016-08-20 15:57:00] <TrevorOntario719> Per Zeo
[2016-08-20 15:57:00] <AMK152> alternatively, we could have different types of discussions where each has their own voter requirements
[2016-08-20 15:57:01] <AustinD-3> Per Zeo.
[2016-08-20 15:57:05] <SpongeFreddy777> Like Prez
[2016-08-20 15:57:15] <Mb13566> i mean cause they might not geet the systume
[2016-08-20 15:57:15] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> we should do something about the users at SBFW
[2016-08-20 15:57:15] <MightyMorphinJon> Prez is not on Wikia anymore.
[2016-08-20 15:57:21] <MightyMorphinJon> He quit SBFW.
[2016-08-20 15:57:21] <SpongeFreddy777> ik
[2016-08-20 15:57:22] <Cans48> I don't know what voter points means.
[2016-08-20 15:57:35] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Admins get more points
[2016-08-20 15:57:35] <AustinD-3> ^
[2016-08-20 15:57:37] <ZeoSpark> Nah. We don't associate with SBFW anymore.
[2016-08-20 15:57:38] <AustinD-3> @Cans
[2016-08-20 15:57:42] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would say in general, we should give voter points to users who have been here longer and who are on the administration.
[2016-08-20 15:57:43] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 15:57:43] <Cans48> Woah
[2016-08-20 15:57:47] <Cans48> thatis not demcratic
[2016-08-20 15:57:47] <AMK152> so in general, what are people's thoughts on voter points?
[2016-08-20 15:57:49] <Cans48> at all.
[2016-08-20 15:57:51] <Nicko756> Per Cans.
[2016-08-20 15:57:53] <Cans48> Bad ida.
[2016-08-20 15:57:55] <Cans48> *idea
[2016-08-20 15:57:58] <AustinD-3> I have no clue what they do at all...
[2016-08-20 15:57:58] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ot Democratic
[2016-08-20 15:58:03] <TrevorOntario719> It needs work.
[2016-08-20 15:58:04] <Cans48> Not democratic.
[2016-08-20 15:58:07] <TrevorOntario719> We can't find a good medium.
[2016-08-20 15:58:11] <Cans48> All users should have equal vote.
[2016-08-20 15:58:12] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> It is a good idea, but some major flaws.
[2016-08-20 15:58:16] <TrevorOntario719> So for now, don't bother with voter points.
[2016-08-20 15:58:16] <SpongeFreddy777> I oppose of this "voter points" thing
[2016-08-20 15:58:20] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I say it could work but it depends on what qualifies for them. @AMK152
[2016-08-20 15:58:20] <AMK152> what about people voting for those to represent them in important discussions?
[2016-08-20 15:58:22] <Cans48> I oppose.
[2016-08-20 15:58:24] <ZeoSpark> I'd go with the points but take out the "Extremely Strong Oppose" or others like that.
[2016-08-20 15:58:25] <AMK152> like an indirect democracy?
[2016-08-20 15:58:33] <MightyMorphinJon> Administrators don't get a higher meaning when it comes to votes.
[2016-08-20 15:58:38] <Cans48> Per jon
[2016-08-20 15:58:42] <TrevorOntario719> I could care less about the "Strong Oppose" stuff.
[2016-08-20 15:58:44] <Nicko756> Per Jon.
[2016-08-20 15:58:47] <TrevorOntario719> It doesn't matter anyway
[2016-08-20 15:58:47] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> so you are saying if everyone in the administration likes the idea but the users hate it it just goes through?
[2016-08-20 15:58:54] <SpongeFreddy777> I have an idea
[2016-08-20 15:58:55] <AW10> so, what I propose is that we define system to determine users voting points for some request, and it will be dtermiend by how good judgment user can provide
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[2016-08-20 15:59:04] <MightyMorphinJon> AMK, are we taking a break at this time?
[2016-08-20 15:59:04] <AW10> like a formula
[2016-08-20 15:59:10] <ZeoSpark> There should be something against "friendship votes."
[2016-08-20 15:59:10] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Agreed AW
[2016-08-20 15:59:13] <Spongebob456> Sorry I'm late everyone! >.<
[2016-08-20 15:59:17] <Mb13566> i think maybe voter points might be a really good thig. but theres also things that need to be worked out wit it.
[2016-08-20 15:59:17] <ZeoSpark> It's okay.
[2016-08-20 15:59:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Zeo
[2016-08-20 15:59:25] <MightyMorphinJon> I agree that some users are not honest.
[2016-08-20 15:59:25] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Zeo, thats also a problem.
[2016-08-20 15:59:26] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I was just thinking that. @Zeo
[2016-08-20 15:59:26] <Spongebob456> Had an unexpected personal matter to attend to
[2016-08-20 15:59:30] <Cans48> It doesn't really seem democratic.
[2016-08-20 15:59:34] <TrevorOntario719> voting points should get its own discussion.
[2016-08-20 15:59:35] <ZeoSpark> That also annoys be a bit.
[2016-08-20 15:59:37] <AustinD-3> Zeo, how would you classify it
[2016-08-20 15:59:37] <AMK152> ok, what about redefining all levels of positions at ESB, and defining all the rights and abilities, from decision making to voting?
[2016-08-20 15:59:39] <MightyMorphinJon> Yet some others are forced to vote.
[2016-08-20 15:59:44] <Spongebob456> what subject are we on?
[2016-08-20 15:59:47] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> [08:59:37] AMK152: ok, what about redefining all levels of positions at ESB, and defining all the rights and abilities, from decision making to voting?
[2016-08-20 15:59:50] <MightyMorphinJon> I think users who ask people to vote for them should be disqulaified for requests.
[2016-08-20 15:59:50] <Nicko756> No one's forced to vote.
[2016-08-20 15:59:53] <ZeoSpark> Voting points @456
[2016-08-20 15:59:54] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Voting @SB456
[2016-08-20 15:59:54] <Cans48> Voting points @sb456
[2016-08-20 15:59:55] <Depth_Strider_10> Voting
[2016-08-20 16:00:00] <TrevorOntario719> break time!
[2016-08-20 16:00:01] <Mb13566> friendship vote?
[2016-08-20 16:00:04] <SpongeFreddy777> If you make lets say a chat mod request, the requester has to have a majority of the chat mods support
[2016-08-20 16:00:04] <AustinD-3> brb
[2016-08-20 16:00:12] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> But my main problem with requests and voting is that our requirements need to be worked on.
[2016-08-20 16:00:14] <Spongebob456> I agree with Freddy there
[2016-08-20 16:00:15] <SpongeFreddy777> same with any other right
[2016-08-20 16:00:15] <ZeoSpark> When users vote for a user soley for being a friend.
[2016-08-20 16:00:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Freddy
[2016-08-20 16:00:16] <AMK152> ok, we will take a 10 minute break and convene at 12:10 PM eastern
[2016-08-20 16:00:17] <MightyMorphinJon> User of the month has it, but not requests for rights.
[2016-08-20 16:00:22] <CustardTheWikiBird> ^
[2016-08-20 16:00:32] <Nicko756> Okay,
[2016-08-20 16:00:36] <Cans48> I still really think that all users should have equal vote.
[2016-08-20 16:00:37] <AMK152> SB456: we were talking about issues with new users having the same voting power as mature experienced users
[2016-08-20 16:00:37] <MightyMorphinJon> Alright, I'll AFK.
[2016-08-20 16:00:40] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Are we allowed to use the chat before that time? @AMK
[2016-08-20 16:00:40] <Mb13566> alrigt 
[2016-08-20 16:00:42] <FlyingDutchmen> afk
[2016-08-20 16:00:44] <Cans48> Alright.
[2016-08-20 16:00:45] <ZeoSpark> It can be bothersome that a user that doesn't edit much gets so many support because others know them well.
[2016-08-20 16:00:49] <Spongebob456> AMK: Yeah good issue to discuss. 
[2016-08-20 16:00:50] <SpongeFreddy777> AFK
[2016-08-20 16:00:51] <TrevorOntario719> This chat is going to revolutionize ESB.
[2016-08-20 16:00:52] <MightyMorphinJon> Wait, can we chat freely?
[2016-08-20 16:00:52] <Mb13566> alright
[2016-08-20 16:00:56] <TrevorOntario719> yes Jon
[2016-08-20 16:00:59] <AMK152> yes, for 10 minutes
[2016-08-20 16:01:03] <Cans48> Still, users should all be able to vote equally.
[2016-08-20 16:01:05] <MightyMorphinJon> alright
[2016-08-20 16:01:06] <Mb13566> oh
[2016-08-20 16:01:10] <TrevorOntario719> ESB is going to get an overhaul from this
[2016-08-20 16:01:10] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Ah, okay, thanks. ;)
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[2016-08-20 16:01:13] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I've never seen chat with this many people.
[2016-08-20 16:01:15] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> [09:01:03] Cans48: Still, users should all be able to vote equally.
[2016-08-20 16:01:18] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
[2016-08-20 16:01:23] <MightyMorphinJon> what a nice discussion that was
[2016-08-20 16:01:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Same @CBB
[2016-08-20 16:01:23] <TrevorOntario719> CBB, I have.
[2016-08-20 16:01:26] <TrevorOntario719> it had 100 people
[2016-08-20 16:01:29] <TrevorOntario719> no joke
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[2016-08-20 16:01:36] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> On ESB?
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[2016-08-20 16:01:43] <TrevorOntario719> ERBoH wiki
[2016-08-20 16:01:46] <MightyMorphinJon> the cc chat had 103 people on time
[2016-08-20 16:01:48] <MightyMorphinJon> *one
[2016-08-20 16:01:51] <Cans48> Woah
[2016-08-20 16:01:52] <MightyMorphinJon> when wikia was glitching 
[2016-08-20 16:01:53] <TrevorOntario719> AMK PM.
[2016-08-20 16:01:54] <Mb13566> lol
[2016-08-20 16:01:56] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I have to read the logs I missed the first 10 min
[2016-08-20 16:02:02] <Cans48> !logs
[2016-08-20 16:02:02] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Cans48: Logs can be seen [[Project:Chat/Logs|here]].
[2016-08-20 16:02:02] <Spongebob456> It's difficult as you want new users to feel involved. Equally, they may not know the person they are voting for.
[2016-08-20 16:02:03] <MightyMorphinJon> some of the users couldn't fit into the list
[2016-08-20 16:02:07] <Depth_Strider_10> That was fun.
[2016-08-20 16:02:14] <TrevorOntario719> never mind.
[2016-08-20 16:02:14] <Mb13566> i missed 40th mins 
[2016-08-20 16:02:15] <TrevorOntario719> that was fun, Lucas.
[2016-08-20 16:02:16] <Nicko756> http://spongebobia.wikia.com/wiki/Meeting:20160820#Participants Did I forget anyone?
[2016-08-20 16:02:16] <Cans48> Has any invaders ben here?
[2016-08-20 16:02:18] <AW10> Still, users should all be able to vote equally.
[2016-08-20 16:02:18] <AW10> 
[2016-08-20 16:02:18] <AW10> yes, but I do not think we can really have textbook democracy on ESB
[2016-08-20 16:02:19] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> IKR. @Depth
[2016-08-20 16:02:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per SB456
[2016-08-20 16:02:21] <TrevorOntario719> nope, Cans.
[2016-08-20 16:02:22] <MightyMorphinJon> no cans
[2016-08-20 16:02:22] <ZeoSpark> Yeah. That's why there should be a rule against new voters.
[2016-08-20 16:02:26] <Cans48> good.
[2016-08-20 16:02:27] <TrevorOntario719> 2 people got kicked
[2016-08-20 16:02:28] <TrevorOntario719> but no
[2016-08-20 16:02:31] <MightyMorphinJon> butsomeonee did swear
[2016-08-20 16:02:31] <AMK152> but we she have a hierarchy; have people meet criteria to move up
[2016-08-20 16:02:32] <Cans48> So I haven't missed it.
[2016-08-20 16:02:32] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I agree.
[2016-08-20 16:02:35] <Mb13566> thats good.
[2016-08-20 16:02:42] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:02:44] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> So my idea.
[2016-08-20 16:02:50] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> [09:02:32] AMK152: but we she have a hierarchy; have people meet criteria to move up
[2016-08-20 16:02:50] <AMK152> if people are power hungry, they might as well earn it
[2016-08-20 16:02:50] <Cans48> All users should be able to vote.
[2016-08-20 16:02:51] <Mb13566> im gonna be afks for a couple mins 
[2016-08-20 16:02:51] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-08-20 16:02:53] <MightyMorphinJon> amk i think we should rename the moderator right
[2016-08-20 16:02:53] <Cans48> No segregation.
[2016-08-20 16:02:54] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I like it
[2016-08-20 16:02:55] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> So I would say that maybe when you request, it automatically scans your userpage to see if you qualify. If you meet the rights, you can go on ahead, if not, it'll say which requirements you don't meet and ask you to request later.
[2016-08-20 16:02:56] <MightyMorphinJon> it's very confusing 
[2016-08-20 16:02:59] <TrevorOntario719> amk pm
[2016-08-20 16:03:04] <Cans48> Qualify>
[2016-08-20 16:03:05] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> brb.
[2016-08-20 16:03:09] <Spongebob456> I recommend we use the time a user has been on the wiki over the edit count
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[2016-08-20 16:03:15] <Squiddleward> yes.
[2016-08-20 16:03:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> What does quilfy mean though
[2016-08-20 16:03:18] <ZeoSpark> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 16:03:22] <Nicko756> "if people are power hungry, they might as well earn it" ?
[2016-08-20 16:03:29] <TrevorOntario719> I've made notes. Do you want to see?
[2016-08-20 16:03:32] <MightyMorphinJon> means if you meet the requirmentss 
[2016-08-20 16:03:39] <Spongebob456> I want an opinion from a user with 100 edits over 3 years rather than 100 edits in an hour
[2016-08-20 16:03:39] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per SB456
[2016-08-20 16:03:40] <Cans48> If you don't meet requirements
[2016-08-20 16:03:43] <Cans48> then close the request.
[2016-08-20 16:03:55] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> 456.
[2016-08-20 16:03:55] <Nicko756> ^
[2016-08-20 16:03:55] <AW10> "if people are power hungry, they might as well earn it" ?
[2016-08-20 16:03:55] <AW10> if you want power, you have to earn it
[2016-08-20 16:04:07] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I think both time and edits count.
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[2016-08-20 16:04:12] <SBCA> Hello
[2016-08-20 16:04:14] <Cans48> Hello
[2016-08-20 16:04:16] <TrevorOntario719> hello Luis.
[2016-08-20 16:04:21] <TrevorOntario719> we are in a break session
[2016-08-20 16:04:21] <Dejavukitkat13> Hey
[2016-08-20 16:04:24] <Nicko756> You don't get "more power" You just get a few extra buttons.
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[2016-08-20 16:04:27] <TrevorOntario719> feel free to talk as you please!
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[2016-08-20 16:04:32] <SBCA> Oh, when will the break end?
[2016-08-20 16:04:32] <Spongebob456> I agree but time should count more so. We have so many badge farmers/edit milkers here let's be honest
[2016-08-20 16:04:36] <CustardTheWikiBird> OH BABY
[2016-08-20 16:04:38] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Like I have good info but I only have 100 edits because I suck at editing content
[2016-08-20 16:04:38] <CustardTheWikiBird> Wew lad
[2016-08-20 16:04:44] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> 12:10.
[2016-08-20 16:04:44] <TrevorOntario719> Those extra buttons, give you power, Nicko.
[2016-08-20 16:04:47] <Cans48> ^
[2016-08-20 16:05:03] <TrevorOntario719> i have a reason to stay up late
[2016-08-20 16:05:06] <TrevorOntario719> :D
[2016-08-20 16:05:11] <Nicko756> http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help%3AAdministrators'_how-to_guide#Best_practices_for_administrators
[2016-08-20 16:05:11] <AMK152> Nicko has a point. Power vs. abilities
[2016-08-20 16:05:19] <ZeoSpark> Hm..
[2016-08-20 16:05:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> It's 9AM here
[2016-08-20 16:05:20] <SBCA> ^
[2016-08-20 16:05:21] <Nicko756> http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Best_practices_for_administrators
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[2016-08-20 16:05:37] <Cans48> Still, like I said before.
[2016-08-20 16:05:50] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> this place should be a democracy
[2016-08-20 16:05:51] <Cans48> If a user doesn't have the abilities for a position
[2016-08-20 16:05:52] <Mb13566> oh 
[2016-08-20 16:05:54] <Cans48> demote them.
[2016-08-20 16:06:06] <MightyMorphinJon> I can't tell if we're on a break or discussing.
[2016-08-20 16:06:07] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> But still...
[2016-08-20 16:06:11] <TrevorOntario719> we are on break
[2016-08-20 16:06:11] <MightyMorphinJon> We're still on a break, right?
[2016-08-20 16:06:15] <Spongebob456> Cans does make a point in that it doesn't need to be complicated
[2016-08-20 16:06:16] <TrevorOntario719> it ends in 4 minutes
[2016-08-20 16:06:23] <Nicko756> Yeah
[2016-08-20 16:06:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Cans
[2016-08-20 16:06:26] <Spongebob456> I think it's a semi-break lol
[2016-08-20 16:06:26] <Mb13566> well i mean if they cant do there job hen yeah
[2016-08-20 16:06:27] <TrevorOntario719> I feel so bad for Zeo
[2016-08-20 16:06:30] <Cans48> Only support
[2016-08-20 16:06:33] <ZeoSpark> Huh?
[2016-08-20 16:06:34] <Cans48> when you want to.
[2016-08-20 16:06:34] <TrevorOntario719> he was bombarded with messages when he said a word
[2016-08-20 16:06:41] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 16:06:44] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:06:44] <MightyMorphinJon> What word did he say?
[2016-08-20 16:06:44] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~287 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:06:48] <Cans48> huh?
[2016-08-20 16:06:53] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> We should do something to make it so users won't be able to request if they don't meet the requirements.
[2016-08-20 16:06:56] <TrevorOntario719> he just said something in chat
[2016-08-20 16:07:04] <Mb13566> who?
[2016-08-20 16:07:07] <Cans48> it they don't meet requirements
[2016-08-20 16:07:07] <TrevorOntario719> then the chat bot bombarded him with messages.
[2016-08-20 16:07:08] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Zeo
[2016-08-20 16:07:15] <TrevorOntario719> Zeo.
[2016-08-20 16:07:15] <Squiddleward> i was too
[2016-08-20 16:07:15] <Cans48> we don't need to be complicated
[2016-08-20 16:07:16] <Depth_Strider_10> He was bombarded with !tell messages when he said something.
[2016-08-20 16:07:24] <Depth_Strider_10> That's it.
[2016-08-20 16:07:28] <MightyMorphinJon> Oh yeah, I remember that.
[2016-08-20 16:07:31] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> thats cuz you never come on squiddleand lol
[2016-08-20 16:07:33] <Mb13566> oh 
[2016-08-20 16:07:40] <TrevorOntario719> im impressed
[2016-08-20 16:07:46] <TrevorOntario719> i thought invaders were going to walk in
[2016-08-20 16:07:48] <ZeoSpark> Because I was trying to stay away from the chat to avoid all of the drama.
[2016-08-20 16:07:48] <TrevorOntario719> anyway
[2016-08-20 16:07:52] <TrevorOntario719> this is the best chat
[2016-08-20 16:07:52] <MightyMorphinJon> Zeo, are you coming on chat more or was this just a small visit?
[2016-08-20 16:07:54] <Cans48> THey may sti;;
[2016-08-20 16:07:56] <SBCA> We should do something in terms of FSB activity.
[2016-08-20 16:07:57] <Cans48> *still
[2016-08-20 16:08:05] <TrevorOntario719> and this is going to revolutionize ESB
[2016-08-20 16:08:07] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> i said that SBCA
[2016-08-20 16:08:09] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Back.
[2016-08-20 16:08:09] <MightyMorphinJon> you know SBFW was good
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[2016-08-20 16:08:15] <ZeoSpark> Might as well be more. Nothing drama wise has been happening lately.
[2016-08-20 16:08:17] <Cans48> I don't write fanon
[2016-08-20 16:08:19] <MightyMorphinJon> when SBCA ran more
[2016-08-20 16:08:20] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> FSB is almost dead if I recall.
[2016-08-20 16:08:21] <Mb13566> well yeah 
[2016-08-20 16:08:21] <ZeoSpark> The key word is "was."
[2016-08-20 16:08:27] <Cans48> So it wouldn't be of any help to me.
[2016-08-20 16:08:33] <TrevorOntario719> I think we should SBFW and FSB. However, FSB rules take over.
[2016-08-20 16:08:39] <TrevorOntario719> *merge
[2016-08-20 16:08:39] <AMK152> reconvening in 2 minutes
[2016-08-20 16:08:40] <Squiddleward> i have ridley but i would never put her on a fanon wiki
[2016-08-20 16:08:41] <Spongebob456> Guys: If Zeo does come back, it's up to you to create a peaceful environment. 
[2016-08-20 16:08:45] <ZeoSpark> Now...it's because much been Family Guy-ed.
[2016-08-20 16:08:56] <SBCA> SBFW actually has some quality content but trying to tie in ESB won't work.
[2016-08-20 16:08:56] <TrevorOntario719> lol
[2016-08-20 16:08:56] <AMK152> Trevor: we have been through that
[2016-08-20 16:08:58] <ZeoSpark> I couldn't...find a better term...
[2016-08-20 16:08:58] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I hope this place does not die anytime soon
[2016-08-20 16:08:59] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Family Guy-ed/
[2016-08-20 16:08:59] <MightyMorphinJon> Trevor, that's impossible.
[2016-08-20 16:09:04] <TrevorOntario719> oh.
[2016-08-20 16:09:05] <TrevorOntario719> :(
[2016-08-20 16:09:08] <MightyMorphinJon> That SBFW community is very stubborn.
[2016-08-20 16:09:10] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> SBFW went downhill.
[2016-08-20 16:09:12] <TrevorOntario719> First comment
[2016-08-20 16:09:13] <Mb13566> oh but last time i went on sbfw some crazy stuff happened.
[2016-08-20 16:09:16] <ZeoSpark> Big time.
[2016-08-20 16:09:16] <AMK152> ok stop talking about SBFW
[2016-08-20 16:09:21] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Okay.
[2016-08-20 16:09:23] <ZeoSpark> Okay.
[2016-08-20 16:09:24] <Cans48> K
[2016-08-20 16:09:25] <MightyMorphinJon> Is break time over?
[2016-08-20 16:09:25] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> K
[2016-08-20 16:09:27] <Mb13566> okay.
[2016-08-20 16:09:28] <TrevorOntario719> not yet
[2016-08-20 16:09:29] <Spongebob456> Tbh forget fanon and improve this wiki. 
[2016-08-20 16:09:31] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> 1 minute.
[2016-08-20 16:09:31] <TrevorOntario719> in 30 seconds
[2016-08-20 16:09:33] <Cans48> one minute
[2016-08-20 16:09:34] <Spongebob456> Now, moving on
[2016-08-20 16:09:36] <SBCA> 2015 was probably the best SBFW year in my opinion
[2016-08-20 16:09:37] <MightyMorphinJon> One more min.
[2016-08-20 16:09:38] <ZeoSpark> Thought I thought we were on break,
[2016-08-20 16:09:39] <Dejavukitkat13> Well, the break is almost over.
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[2016-08-20 16:09:46] <Cans48> Ok, almost there
[2016-08-20 16:09:51] <Cans48> and ...
[2016-08-20 16:09:55] <Cans48> now
[2016-08-20 16:09:55] <TrevorOntario719> Break time is ending in 5,4,3,2,1
[2016-08-20 16:10:00] <SBCA> Is the Article of the Month still active?
[2016-08-20 16:10:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ok begin!
[2016-08-20 16:10:00] <TrevorOntario719> Return to convention
[2016-08-20 16:10:01] <Mb13566> i thought it was gonna start at 12:10
[2016-08-20 16:10:05] <Cans48> No @sbca
[2016-08-20 16:10:06] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Now.
[2016-08-20 16:10:09] <Cans48> I never see it.
[2016-08-20 16:10:12] <ZeoSpark> I remember Article of the Month....so underrated.
[2016-08-20 16:10:15] <Squiddleward> it is 12:10 eastern
[2016-08-20 16:10:16] <AMK152> ok, reconvening after our intermission at 12:10 PM eastern
[2016-08-20 16:10:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> haha
[2016-08-20 16:10:24] <SonicTheEpic> SBCA, you can revive it if you want to
[2016-08-20 16:10:34] <MightyMorphinJon> Where were we at?
[2016-08-20 16:10:38] <TrevorOntario719> Return to Convention!
[2016-08-20 16:10:39] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 16:10:41] <ZeoSpark> I really think User of the Month is kinda past due. Unless something is added to make it more special.
[2016-08-20 16:10:41] <AMK152> we were last talking about voter requirements, voter points idea, and questions for requests
[2016-08-20 16:10:43] <Depth_Strider_10> Voting I think
[2016-08-20 16:10:45] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
[2016-08-20 16:10:46] <SpongeFreddy777> I'm back
[2016-08-20 16:10:48] <Cans48> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:10:53] <Nicko756> !updatelog
[2016-08-20 16:10:53] <MightyMorphinJon> Also Sonic, are you going to bring up those ideas we discussed on SKype yesterday?
[2016-08-20 16:10:54] <Cans48> I do not like the points idea
[2016-08-20 16:10:58] <Nicko756> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:10:58] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~106 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:10:58] <Cans48> Not very democratic
[2016-08-20 16:11:01] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 16:11:07] <Spongebob456> Not a fan of points either
[2016-08-20 16:11:07] <SonicTheEpic> Idk yet
[2016-08-20 16:11:11] <Mb13566> heh ^
[2016-08-20 16:11:14] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> AMK, you're working on a new system right?
[2016-08-20 16:11:15] <AW10> well, minor cannot vote for president
[2016-08-20 16:11:24] <SBCA> I don't think the points system is that enticing
[2016-08-20 16:11:24] <AMK152> so the points idea is not popular; but what about new users voting?
[2016-08-20 16:11:24] <AW10> in real world
[2016-08-20 16:11:25] <Mb13566> what 
[2016-08-20 16:11:35] <Depth_Strider_10> In my opinion points sounds unproffesional.
[2016-08-20 16:11:36] <Cans48> New users should be able to vote.
[2016-08-20 16:11:37] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> That needs some work AMK 
[2016-08-20 16:11:42] <TrevorOntario719> they should wait a while.
[2016-08-20 16:11:44] <ZeoSpark> I'm highly against new users voting.
[2016-08-20 16:11:44] <Cans48> Equal votes for everyone.
[2016-08-20 16:11:47] <AW10> so, in real world, democracy is not "pure"
[2016-08-20 16:11:47] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Again, a requirement is needed for a user to be able to vote.
[2016-08-20 16:11:47] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> but like GBJ cans
[2016-08-20 16:11:47] <MightyMorphinJon> New users need time
[2016-08-20 16:11:50] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 16:11:50] <AMK152> so if someone joins day 1, they can vote on an admin request?
[2016-08-20 16:11:54] <Cans48> I am highly with new users voting
[2016-08-20 16:11:54] <Mb13566> ^ cans
[2016-08-20 16:11:55] <TrevorOntario719> Per Jon
[2016-08-20 16:11:57] <SBCA> I think users must have at least 10-20 edits to vote
[2016-08-20 16:11:58] <MightyMorphinJon> I remember this one person tried out for admin and a new user voted.
[2016-08-20 16:12:02] <ZeoSpark> They can't just come to a new wiki and vote on something they don't know about.
[2016-08-20 16:12:06] <SBCA> At least have some edit requirement
[2016-08-20 16:12:06] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> But for chat mod requests, we should do it differently.
[2016-08-20 16:12:08] <MightyMorphinJon> They voted because they liked their profile picture.
[2016-08-20 16:12:12] <SpongeFreddy777> per SBCA
[2016-08-20 16:12:13] <SBCA> Main space edits
[2016-08-20 16:12:13] <Cans48> Why would we want to disclude voters
[2016-08-20 16:12:16] <TrevorOntario719> I don't think Users can vote right out of the box. They may accidentally support a troll.
[2016-08-20 16:12:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yea it needs work
[2016-08-20 16:12:18] <Spongebob456> AMK: Crats discount those votes if need be or make a subjective decision to see if they count
[2016-08-20 16:12:30] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
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[2016-08-20 16:12:38] <AMK152> yeah, but the criteria for that?
[2016-08-20 16:12:42] <FlyingDutchmen> per 456
[2016-08-20 16:12:43] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per SB456
[2016-08-20 16:12:52] <SpongeFreddy777> my assistant request wont get wrecked with new requirments right
[2016-08-20 16:12:52] <AMK152> someone may complain about their vote being removed
[2016-08-20 16:13:04] <Cans48> Removing votes
[2016-08-20 16:13:05] <SBCA> Basically, we should have some kind of system in place where in a specific user must have a specific amount of mainspace edits to be able to participate in voting.
[2016-08-20 16:13:05] <Cans48> is very UNdemocratic
[2016-08-20 16:13:08] <Mb13566> chat mod is a whole different hing to do.
[2016-08-20 16:13:08] <ZeoSpark> Except if the user gets blocked.
[2016-08-20 16:13:09] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Just leave a message on their wall
[2016-08-20 16:13:15] <Cans48> Unless they are blocked.
[2016-08-20 16:13:16] <ZeoSpark> Then the vote becomes nulled.
[2016-08-20 16:13:40] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:13:41] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~55 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:13:41] <SpongeFreddy777> nulled is the same as doesn't​ count right
[2016-08-20 16:13:45] <AW10> @Zeo, They can't just come to a new wiki and vote on something they don't know about.
[2016-08-20 16:13:45] <AW10> yes, but when I think of it, thet is how thungs work in real world, every adult is able to vote for any politician despite not even knowing who that policiona is
[2016-08-20 16:13:46] <Mb13566> not exatly 
[2016-08-20 16:13:48] <ZeoSpark> A bit off topic: Surprised 120d hasn't came yet. I guess he's still busy with real life.
[2016-08-20 16:13:48] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> My idea is the user should be here for a month with 100 edits, 50 being mainspace and a clean block log for the month.
[2016-08-20 16:13:56] <Mb13566> lol
[2016-08-20 16:14:01] <SpongeFreddy777> !seen 120d
[2016-08-20 16:14:01] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I thought 120d left the wiki.
[2016-08-20 16:14:02] <Spongebob456> AW10 makes a very good point
[2016-08-20 16:14:05] <Cans48> aw10, this isn't the real world.
[2016-08-20 16:14:05] <AMK152> 120d is working
[2016-08-20 16:14:11] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> per AW
[2016-08-20 16:14:11] <Mb13566> oh 
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[2016-08-20 16:14:16] <ZeoSpark> Like "Null in-void."
[2016-08-20 16:14:17] <TrevorOntario719> Cans, we are still in the real world.
[2016-08-20 16:14:21] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> That sounds like a good idea. @ChocolateBrownieBoy
[2016-08-20 16:14:22] <AMK152> it may not be the real world, but there is chaos
[2016-08-20 16:14:22] <TrevorOntario719> ESB isn't an alternate dimension.
[2016-08-20 16:14:22] <SBCA> Welcome back (wave)
[2016-08-20 16:14:25] <Cans48> Not through a computer.
[2016-08-20 16:14:29] <SpongeFreddy777> per aw
[2016-08-20 16:14:31] <Mb13566> per cans
[2016-08-20 16:14:32] <Spongebob456> I think friend voting is more of an issue than new voters tbh
[2016-08-20 16:14:36] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 16:14:38] <ZeoSpark> Yeah...
[2016-08-20 16:14:44] <SpongeFreddy777> Thats what happened with Lewis
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[2016-08-20 16:14:46] <ZeoSpark> Friend voting is pretty bothersome.
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[2016-08-20 16:14:50] <SpongeFreddy777> he became admin with like 200 main
[2016-08-20 16:14:51] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I agree,
[2016-08-20 16:14:57] <Cans48> I do not
[2016-08-20 16:14:58] <SpongeFreddy777> he only has 493 main now
[2016-08-20 16:14:58] <ZeoSpark> I'd admit I was apart of that myself in the past.
[2016-08-20 16:14:59] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> So disqualify friend votes.
[2016-08-20 16:14:59] <TrevorOntario719> Lewis was a good user.
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[2016-08-20 16:15:05] <Cans48> You can't ell
[2016-08-20 16:15:07] <TrevorOntario719> But now he became too inactive.
[2016-08-20 16:15:08] <Cans48> friend votes 
[2016-08-20 16:15:08] <AMK152> how would we prevent friend voting?
[2016-08-20 16:15:14] <TrevorOntario719> I don't know.
[2016-08-20 16:15:15] <SBCA> But how will you prove friend voting
[2016-08-20 16:15:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Void it
[2016-08-20 16:15:16] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> There's no real way.
[2016-08-20 16:15:20] <MightyMorphinJon> You can't tell if they are voting because they are a friend, or a real vote.
[2016-08-20 16:15:21] <Spongebob456> Good question
[2016-08-20 16:15:23] <SpongeFreddy777> per luis
[2016-08-20 16:15:27] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> if the admins feel they are friend voting
[2016-08-20 16:15:27] <Mb13566> friends in the real world ae of course gonna pick there friend without knowing if they right for the job.
[2016-08-20 16:15:27] <TrevorOntario719> But how, brick?
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[2016-08-20 16:15:34] <AMK152> do we require reasons for voting?
[2016-08-20 16:15:35] <SBCA> ^
[2016-08-20 16:15:39] <ZeoSpark> Hm.
[2016-08-20 16:15:40] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I say all you can really do is disqualify friend votes.
[2016-08-20 16:15:45] <ZeoSpark> Did my last messaeg send?
[2016-08-20 16:15:45] <AMK152> instead of just a vote?
[2016-08-20 16:15:47] <ZeoSpark> message*
[2016-08-20 16:15:47] <TrevorOntario719> thats the only way, to be honest.
[2016-08-20 16:15:47] <Cans48> Well, we have an instinct to stay with our friends in the real world.
[2016-08-20 16:15:48] <SBCA> Sure, AMK
[2016-08-20 16:15:49] <MightyMorphinJon> jack, you can't tell
[2016-08-20 16:15:53] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Maybe they have to state a valid reason.
[2016-08-20 16:15:53] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Reasons, we should have reason
[2016-08-20 16:15:54] <TrevorOntario719> yes Zeo
[2016-08-20 16:16:00] <Depth_Strider_10> Brb
[2016-08-20 16:16:02] <SBCA> But should "per ___" count?
[2016-08-20 16:16:04] <ZeoSpark> The only way to prove friend voting is logic.
[2016-08-20 16:16:05] <MightyMorphinJon> If someone is voting because it's their friend or that they actually deserve it.
[2016-08-20 16:16:07] <Mb13566> who knows what hey would say 
[2016-08-20 16:16:08] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yeah, a reason should probably be compulsory.
[2016-08-20 16:16:09] <TrevorOntario719> I suppose, Luis.
[2016-08-20 16:16:10] <Cans48> All votes should count.
[2016-08-20 16:16:14] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> "Per" should count.
[2016-08-20 16:16:15] <MightyMorphinJon> SBCA, I know what you mean.
[2016-08-20 16:16:15] <Nicko756> We can't have a rule that states, "You can't vote if the requesting user is your friend."
[2016-08-20 16:16:16] <SonicTheEpic> hmmm
[2016-08-20 16:16:24] <Spongebob456> In all honesty, whilst we need to remain democratic, do crats need to look at requests to examine if friend voting occurs before passing them maybe?
[2016-08-20 16:16:24] <Mb13566> afk for a second.
[2016-08-20 16:16:24] <Cans48> We shouldn't disclose votes.
[2016-08-20 16:16:26] <TrevorOntario719> you're all my friends
[2016-08-20 16:16:28] <SonicTheEpic> Wait what?
[2016-08-20 16:16:31] <SpongeFreddy777> Yes Luis, because they are trying to say that they have the same thoughts as that other person
[2016-08-20 16:16:31] <TrevorOntario719> if thats the case i can't vote on a thing
[2016-08-20 16:16:37] <Mb13566> =)
[2016-08-20 16:16:37] <AMK152> of course, to start out:
[2016-08-20 16:16:37] <AMK152> 1) 100 edits, 50 namespace to qualify
[2016-08-20 16:16:37] <AMK152> 2) clean block record for 1 month
[2016-08-20 16:16:37] <AMK152> 3) Must answer all questions
[2016-08-20 16:16:39] <Cans48> per nicko
[2016-08-20 16:16:40] <SBCA> But then if we repremand a user who "friend votes" then things might get heated
[2016-08-20 16:16:42] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Trev, I thought you hated me lol
[2016-08-20 16:16:49] <AW10> well, ESB is virtual, but it still is not fantasy, it is still real to some extent, altough it is not material
[2016-08-20 16:16:50] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Questions?
[2016-08-20 16:16:52] <TrevorOntario719> I dont...
[2016-08-20 16:16:55] <Mb13566> what?
[2016-08-20 16:16:55] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> That sounds fair. @AMK152
[2016-08-20 16:16:55] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> jk
[2016-08-20 16:17:05] <Cans48> What would those requirements be for?
[2016-08-20 16:17:07] <TrevorOntario719> AMK, what is that for again?
[2016-08-20 16:17:14] <TrevorOntario719> voting?
[2016-08-20 16:17:14] <SBCA> @AMK, I think we could lower a bit for 1, and I completely agree with 2 and 3
[2016-08-20 16:17:14] <AMK152> if they cannot answer certain questions, it became invalidated
[2016-08-20 16:17:14] <MightyMorphinJon> Nicko, change that to "Be honest with your vote, don't vote for them because they are your friend, or you don't know them."
[2016-08-20 16:17:19] <SBCA> @Trevor yup
[2016-08-20 16:17:19] <AMK152> for all requests
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[2016-08-20 16:17:22] <MightyMorphinJon> Votes are supposed to be honest.
[2016-08-20 16:17:23] <ZeoSpark> You shouldn't vote for a user just because they're nice to you. Like, if a user is mainly active in the chat and tries out or assistant, would you support?
[2016-08-20 16:17:23] <Cans48> No, just not 
[2016-08-20 16:17:23] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> What are the questions?
[2016-08-20 16:17:26] <Cans48> at all.
[2016-08-20 16:17:32] <Mb13566> idk 
[2016-08-20 16:17:32] <AMK152> we need everyone to really elaborate on why they should be promoted
[2016-08-20 16:17:33] <Spongebob456> Zeo: How do we stop that?
[2016-08-20 16:17:40] <MightyMorphinJon> No Zeo.
[2016-08-20 16:17:41] <SBCA> I agree
[2016-08-20 16:17:45] <SpongeFreddy777> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:17:45] <Spongebob456> AMK: Unless we give them questions to answer
[2016-08-20 16:17:46] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> SpongeFreddy777: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~123 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:17:50] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> And Users should not ask for votes
[2016-08-20 16:17:52] <ZeoSpark> Only way to is to point out the logic there.
[2016-08-20 16:17:52] <Mb13566> ^
[2016-08-20 16:17:52] <MightyMorphinJon> You would need to look into contribs for assistant.
[2016-08-20 16:18:04] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
[2016-08-20 16:18:04] <AMK152> yes
[2016-08-20 16:18:08] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
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[2016-08-20 16:18:12] <MightyMorphinJon> Users should be disqualified for a specific time if they ask for votes.
[2016-08-20 16:18:17] <MightyMorphinJon> Also make a troll request
[2016-08-20 16:18:18] <Cans48> Eh
[2016-08-20 16:18:22] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Like UOTM
[2016-08-20 16:18:23] <Cans48> You can't tell what a troll is.
[2016-08-20 16:18:25] <MightyMorphinJon> Disqualified from requesting.
[2016-08-20 16:18:26] <SpongeFreddy777> Brick, imo, users could ask "May you please vote" but not can you support
[2016-08-20 16:18:27] <Mb13566> yeah maybe.
[2016-08-20 16:18:29] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 6 Months
[2016-08-20 16:18:29] <TrevorOntario719> I think troll requests should result in punishment.
[2016-08-20 16:18:32] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 16:18:32] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I agree with Jon about the asking for votes.
[2016-08-20 16:18:34] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Asking for votes isn't a problem, it's more asking for support.
[2016-08-20 16:18:34] <Cans48> There isn't a defined definition.
[2016-08-20 16:18:35] <TrevorOntario719> I agree with Mark.
[2016-08-20 16:18:42] <TrevorOntario719> And Choco.
[2016-08-20 16:18:42] <AMK152> I would say:
[2016-08-20 16:18:42] <AMK152> 1) Starter questions for all positions
[2016-08-20 16:18:42] <AMK152> 2) Anyone can ask them questions
[2016-08-20 16:18:42] <AMK152> 3) They must answer all questions fully
[2016-08-20 16:18:42] <AMK152> 4) Bureaucrat decides if questions were asked fully
[2016-08-20 16:18:43] <SBCA> Well, it could completely happen. However, the reaction of the user is completely different for every single user. There might be problems there. For sure.
[2016-08-20 16:18:46] <Nicko756> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:18:46] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~33 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:18:54] <ZeoSpark> I won't be afraid to point it out. Usually if there is something that raises a red flag such as supporting an assistant request for a user that is only active in the chat, then I'd point it out.
[2016-08-20 16:18:54] <Squiddleward> if someone asks for support their request should be nulled and they should be disqualified for a while
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[2016-08-20 16:18:59] <Mb13566> lag.
[2016-08-20 16:19:06] <MightyMorphinJon> There is a different between:
[2016-08-20 16:19:06] <MightyMorphinJon> "Support my request now"
[2016-08-20 16:19:06] <MightyMorphinJon> "I would like your input on this request"
[2016-08-20 16:19:12] <TrevorOntario719> I agree
[2016-08-20 16:19:13] <SBCA> Who's keeping track of the discussion, again? 
[2016-08-20 16:19:16] <ZeoSpark> I hate when users just complains when you oppose on a request.
[2016-08-20 16:19:16] <Cans48> per anais. I think that asking for supports shows that they will fail imo
[2016-08-20 16:19:16] <FlyingDutchmen> how should we know that he asked for support? @squiddle
[2016-08-20 16:19:17] <AW10> I got an idea, how about we tell users what should be conisdered before voting, intead of having voting points, so voting guidelines
[2016-08-20 16:19:18] <Squiddleward> yes. the second is acceptable jon
[2016-08-20 16:19:19] <MightyMorphinJon> The bot, SBCA.
[2016-08-20 16:19:19] <AMK152> Squiddleward
[2016-08-20 16:19:19] <AMK152> if someone asks for support their request should be nulled and they should be disqualified for a while
[2016-08-20 16:19:19] <AMK152> 
[2016-08-20 16:19:19] <AMK152> it's kind of a rule but not enforced
[2016-08-20 16:19:21] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Chat bot
[2016-08-20 16:19:22] <TrevorOntario719> I am, sort of @Luis
[2016-08-20 16:19:22] <Mb13566> totally.
[2016-08-20 16:19:30] <SBCA> Oh, okay
[2016-08-20 16:19:32] <Spongebob456> Yugioh wiki's process: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!:Requests_for_adminship#Process
[2016-08-20 16:19:44] <Mb13566> um 
[2016-08-20 16:19:45] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Why isn't it enforced? @AMK152
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[2016-08-20 16:19:57] <AMK152> AW10
[2016-08-20 16:19:57] <AMK152> I got an idea, how about we tell users what should be conisdered before voting, intead of having voting points, so voting guidelines
[2016-08-20 16:19:57] <AMK152> 
[2016-08-20 16:19:57] <AMK152> Yes, good point. We need people to really think about it instead of spending 20 seconds voting
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[2016-08-20 16:19:58] <AMK152> I don't know
[2016-08-20 16:19:59] <MightyMorphinJon> Also, if a user complains something like "Why aren't I admin/chatmod yet", they should be disqualified.
[2016-08-20 16:20:08] <MightyMorphinJon> This goes for UOTM, so why not request for rights?
[2016-08-20 16:20:08] <Cans48> That should already be a rule.
[2016-08-20 16:20:10] <Depth_Strider_10> Just like UOTM.
[2016-08-20 16:20:11] <ZeoSpark> A user did that big time not too long ago.
[2016-08-20 16:20:11] <TrevorOntario719> I agree Jon
[2016-08-20 16:20:24] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Agreed
[2016-08-20 16:20:24] <AMK152> Jon, I agree. We could do that for 3 months
[2016-08-20 16:20:25] <SBCA> I agree with Jon
[2016-08-20 16:20:26] <TrevorOntario719> Also, what are the questions for again?
[2016-08-20 16:20:27] <Spongebob456> Are all these problems solved by having the request sent to crats/admins to discuss before passing it?
[2016-08-20 16:20:34] <Tanhamman> But people don't like to read the entire voting page. They like the idea and vote from their feelings.
[2016-08-20 16:20:34] <Cans48> Also, does it apply on demotions?
[2016-08-20 16:20:34] <Mb13566> i guess so.
[2016-08-20 16:20:34] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 16:20:34] <ZeoSpark> I think it was for chat mod though.
[2016-08-20 16:20:35] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Jon is correct.
[2016-08-20 16:20:35] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Asking for support should be an automatic disqualification for a month.
[2016-08-20 16:20:41] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> What do you all think?
[2016-08-20 16:20:42] <Depth_Strider_10> Most things for UOTM should be put in the regular rights voting stuff.
[2016-08-20 16:20:45] <TrevorOntario719> I agree Choco
[2016-08-20 16:20:50] <Cans48> Too long @brownie
[2016-08-20 16:20:51] <AMK152> the questiions are like for interviewing them
[2016-08-20 16:20:51] <ZeoSpark> How about users removing opposes?
[2016-08-20 16:21:01] <SpongeFreddy777> like Jack
[2016-08-20 16:21:02] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yeah, a month sounds about right.
[2016-08-20 16:21:02] <TrevorOntario719> interviewing who?
[2016-08-20 16:21:04] <MightyMorphinJon> Disqualified, Zeo.
[2016-08-20 16:21:04] <AMK152> if they removed opposition, they can be disqualified
[2016-08-20 16:21:05] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> That's cheating.
[2016-08-20 16:21:05] <TrevorOntario719> voters?
[2016-08-20 16:21:07] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> we also should have clear distinction between chat mod votes and editing votes
[2016-08-20 16:21:08] <SpongeFreddy777> "SUPPORT ME NOW"
[2016-08-20 16:21:12] <MightyMorphinJon> And also adding supports and forging signatures.
[2016-08-20 16:21:12] <SBCA> ^
[2016-08-20 16:21:15] <ZeoSpark> Okay.
[2016-08-20 16:21:18] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Disqualification for 6 months.
[2016-08-20 16:21:18] <Spongebob456> The yugioh wiki sends requests to the crats to discuss before passing. Should we do that?
[2016-08-20 16:21:19] <SonicTheEpic> Interviewing the one who is requesting@Trrevor
[2016-08-20 16:21:22] <MightyMorphinJon> That is a result of disqualificatoin. 
[2016-08-20 16:21:23] <Mb13566> oh
[2016-08-20 16:21:26] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would say.
[2016-08-20 16:21:27] <Squiddleward> removing opposes/faking votes would result in the request being nulled + disqualification
[2016-08-20 16:21:35] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
[2016-08-20 16:21:39] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> and punishment
[2016-08-20 16:21:41] <Cans48> per anais.
[2016-08-20 16:21:44] <Cans48> maybe punishment
[2016-08-20 16:21:49] <Cans48> but not too too long.
[2016-08-20 16:21:49] <AMK152> we can define the voter fraud, that's pretty easy... but we can add disqualification
[2016-08-20 16:21:50] <MightyMorphinJon> Who's Anias? 
[2016-08-20 16:21:55] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:21:55] <Mb13566> hmmmm
[2016-08-20 16:21:55] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~85 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:21:55] <Tanhamman> Removing opposes is dumb.Some punishment should come from that
[2016-08-20 16:21:55] <Depth_Strider_10> Squiddle
[2016-08-20 16:21:56] <Cans48> Squiddleward
[2016-08-20 16:21:58] <Squiddleward> i am anais
[2016-08-20 16:21:59] <AMK152> let's talk about actual requirements and voting.
[2016-08-20 16:21:59] <SBCA> Probably a 3 month ban as well (from the discussion)
[2016-08-20 16:21:59] <Cans48> @jon
[2016-08-20 16:22:01] <MightyMorphinJon> Oh yeah.
[2016-08-20 16:22:02] <AMK152> SB456 had a question
[2016-08-20 16:22:02] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> How long should the punishment be?
[2016-08-20 16:22:05] <SpongeFreddy777> Jon, a user could go
[2016-08-20 16:22:05] <SpongeFreddy777> 
[2016-08-20 16:22:05] <SpongeFreddy777> Support {{SQ}} (acting as squiddle)
[2016-08-20 16:22:05] <SpongeFreddy777> Support {{J}} (acting as me) etc
[2016-08-20 16:22:07] <FlyingDutchmen> 3 days?
[2016-08-20 16:22:08] <Cans48> 3 weeks.
[2016-08-20 16:22:14] <Tanhamman> 3 months
[2016-08-20 16:22:14] <Mb13566> i think depending on how bad it is 
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[2016-08-20 16:22:19] <AW10> perhaps we can hold consulting interview before user requests, so that admin can give user some guidelines and maybe tell them to postpone request, before he edits more
[2016-08-20 16:22:22] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes Jersey, I am saying to disqualify that user.
[2016-08-20 16:22:23] <SpongeFreddy777> per MB
[2016-08-20 16:22:23] <AMK152> bring up your question again SB456, I cannot scroll up
[2016-08-20 16:22:30] <SBCA> I think it must be more than a month
[2016-08-20 16:22:31] <ZeoSpark> There's one thing I do find a tad odd.
[2016-08-20 16:22:34] <AustinD-3> what is the current topic?
[2016-08-20 16:22:34] <Nicko756> We could require to provide a reason for support/neutralizing/opposing. If the reason is "he is my friend," the vote can be removed.
[2016-08-20 16:22:39] <Cans48> Voting.
[2016-08-20 16:22:39] <AMK152> interesting idea, AW10
[2016-08-20 16:22:44] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Spongebob456
[2016-08-20 16:22:44] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> The yugioh wiki sends requests to the crats to discuss before passing. Should we do that?
[2016-08-20 16:22:45] <ZeoSpark> I know it may be in between but it's something I want to bring up.
[2016-08-20 16:22:50] <SpongeFreddy777> Voting @Austin
[2016-08-20 16:22:54] <SpongeFreddy777> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:22:57] <AustinD-3> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:22:57] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> SpongeFreddy777: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~36 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:22:57] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> AustinD-3: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~1 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:23:05] <Mb13566> theres a lot 
[2016-08-20 16:23:07] <Spongebob456> "The decision is not simply based on the number of votes, though a good rule of thumb is that candidates should typically have much higher than 50% support. Rather, the result is mostly determined based on the reasoning provided by editors when they support or oppose a nomination, and any comments with a strong rationale thus receive more weight than simple "Support"/"Oppose" comments."
[2016-08-20 16:23:13] <Spongebob456> Yugioh wiki quote
[2016-08-20 16:23:13] <AMK152> Nicko: we could have certain comments invalidate a vote like key terms "nice" or something
[2016-08-20 16:23:33] <ZeoSpark> It's when users are able to nominate others for chat mod/assistant/admin/crat. Are they still able to do that?
[2016-08-20 16:23:43] <Squiddleward> only admins and crats are
[2016-08-20 16:23:44] <Tanhamman> Like the word nice?
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[2016-08-20 16:23:53] <Spongebob456> Basically, the decision becomes subjective for crats to decide rather than a simple cut-and-dry percentage
[2016-08-20 16:23:53] <Cans48> I don't think regular users can.
[2016-08-20 16:23:53] <AMK152> only admins can nominate
[2016-08-20 16:23:54] <AMK152> yes, Tan
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[2016-08-20 16:23:59] <SpongeFreddy777> i have to go
[2016-08-20 16:24:00] <SBCA> I agree with that
[2016-08-20 16:24:03] <Cans48> Ok.
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[2016-08-20 16:24:06] <SpongeFreddy777> i will read the chat logs later
[2016-08-20 16:24:12] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I could say then The user is nice to everyone in chat
[2016-08-20 16:24:12] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> AMK, I have an idea.
[2016-08-20 16:24:14] <Jordan2001> Hello, is the convention still going
[2016-08-20 16:24:16] <SBCA> Bye
[2016-08-20 16:24:17] <AMK152> yes, Chocolate?
[2016-08-20 16:24:19] <SBCA> Yup
[2016-08-20 16:24:19] <Tanhamman> Well if someone doesn't bother to read about something they are voting on, they probably shouldn't vote
[2016-08-20 16:24:20] <SonicTheEpic> This may be slightly off-topic, but I think the percentage a user receives for it to pass should be 65%
[2016-08-20 16:24:20] <Mb13566> yes 
[2016-08-20 16:24:21] <SpongeFreddy777> yes jordan
[2016-08-20 16:24:26] <Cans48> yes
[2016-08-20 16:24:30] <Spongebob456> lol got missed again :p
[2016-08-20 16:24:36] <Mb13566> heh
[2016-08-20 16:24:36] <AMK152> Sonic, we cannot moved it down
[2016-08-20 16:24:36] <TrevorOntario719> I guess 65 is okay.
[2016-08-20 16:24:36] <Cans48> I hink that it should be 50%
[2016-08-20 16:24:36] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I was just thinking that. @Sonic
[2016-08-20 16:24:37] <AustinD-3> I think you shouldnt be able to nominate yourself
[2016-08-20 16:24:44] <TrevorOntario719> 50 is too little.
[2016-08-20 16:24:44] <Tanhamman> 50 is too low
[2016-08-20 16:24:45] <AustinD-3> you should have to message an admin
[2016-08-20 16:24:45] <Mb13566> no 
[2016-08-20 16:24:45] <AustinD-3> and get permission
[2016-08-20 16:24:48] <SonicTheEpic> Why not?
[2016-08-20 16:24:49] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Once a request passes, it is taken to the crats. From there, if they get support from most of the crats, they go through.
[2016-08-20 16:24:53] <Jordan2001> i think it should be 60 or 65
[2016-08-20 16:24:55] <Cans48> If someone is at 51%
[2016-08-20 16:24:57] <Spongebob456> Per Choc
[2016-08-20 16:24:58] <Tanhamman> Because a majority is 2/3
[2016-08-20 16:25:00] <Mb13566> cause it would b eeven.
[2016-08-20 16:25:01] <SBCA> 65's fine with me
[2016-08-20 16:25:01] <Cans48> they have majority.
[2016-08-20 16:25:02] <Nicko756> It was moved from 75% to 70%.
[2016-08-20 16:25:07] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I'd say 70 is good.
[2016-08-20 16:25:08] <AMK152> so we say that a majority of bureaucrats is required for passing?
[2016-08-20 16:25:12] <Cans48> Majority is 51% and above.
[2016-08-20 16:25:12] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Nicko
[2016-08-20 16:25:12] <AustinD-3> 65% sounds good
[2016-08-20 16:25:16] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yes, AMK.
[2016-08-20 16:25:17] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I say around 65-70.
[2016-08-20 16:25:17] <MightyMorphinJon> Keep it at 70
[2016-08-20 16:25:22] <Cans48> I think 55% actually.
[2016-08-20 16:25:24] <SBCA> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:25:32] <Cans48> If over half agree
[2016-08-20 16:25:33] <AMK152> so in other words, 3/4 bureaucrats need to approve before passing?
[2016-08-20 16:25:33] <Mb13566> i think it should BE 60%
[2016-08-20 16:25:34] <Nicko756> 70% is good.
[2016-08-20 16:25:34] <Tanhamman> Keep it simple. 65 or 66
[2016-08-20 16:25:36] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> If anything change it to 75.
[2016-08-20 16:25:36] <Cans48> then it is a majority.
[2016-08-20 16:25:36] <Jordan2001> 60-70
[2016-08-20 16:25:39] <MightyMorphinJon> I think if a majority of administrators support and still it is under 70, the request shuld pass
[2016-08-20 16:25:39] <AMK152> would this be for all requests?
[2016-08-20 16:25:44] <MightyMorphinJon> *should
[2016-08-20 16:25:45] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yes, AMK.
[2016-08-20 16:25:47] <Tanhamman> How many crats right now?
[2016-08-20 16:25:49] <Cans48> 4
[2016-08-20 16:25:50] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes, AMK.
[2016-08-20 16:25:50] <Spongebob456> AMK: Crats discuss in skype and if we feel friend voting occurs or the result is corrupt we can decline the request. We need a private discussion. 
[2016-08-20 16:25:55] <Tanhamman> Then yea. 3/4
[2016-08-20 16:25:56] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> At least for admin/crat requests.
[2016-08-20 16:25:58] <SBCA> Depends on the request, though
[2016-08-20 16:25:58] <TrevorOntario719> whats the punishment for voter fraud again?
[2016-08-20 16:26:03] <MightyMorphinJon> All of the crats are on, Tan.
[2016-08-20 16:26:06] <MightyMorphinJon> 4.
[2016-08-20 16:26:07] <AMK152> yeah
[2016-08-20 16:26:11] <Cans48> Defiently admins and crats
[2016-08-20 16:26:12] <SBCA> Probably for Admin, Crat, and Assistant
[2016-08-20 16:26:14] <Cans48> IDK about assistant
[2016-08-20 16:26:16] <Squiddleward> disqualification from voting maybe?
[2016-08-20 16:26:17] <AMK152> we discuss them all anyway; we just say they need a majority bureaucrats for it to pass
[2016-08-20 16:26:26] <Cans48> Actually
[2016-08-20 16:26:28] <Squiddleward> for a certain time
[2016-08-20 16:26:29] <Mb13566> for months 
[2016-08-20 16:26:34] <Cans48> majority crats should be for all of them imo
[2016-08-20 16:26:37] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> So around 3? @AMK152
[2016-08-20 16:26:38] <Jordan2001> definitely
[2016-08-20 16:26:38] <Cans48> except chat mod
[2016-08-20 16:26:39] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 6 months
[2016-08-20 16:26:43] <Tanhamman> 3 mos
[2016-08-20 16:26:45] <Jordan2001> per cans
[2016-08-20 16:26:51] <Depth_Strider_10> 4 months
[2016-08-20 16:26:58] <Spongebob456> For admin/crat requests, we go through all normal voting. We then discuss the request in private to see if friend voting occurs or if the result is corrupt. If so, we decline the request. 
[2016-08-20 16:26:58] <Jordan2001> 3 months
[2016-08-20 16:26:59] <SBCA> 3 months
[2016-08-20 16:26:59] <Cans48> 3 months.
[2016-08-20 16:27:00] <AMK152> 3 months disqualification for voter fraud I would say
[2016-08-20 16:27:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Like in user of the month 
[2016-08-20 16:27:03] <TrevorOntario719> ok
[2016-08-20 16:27:04] <SonicTheEpic> 3
[2016-08-20 16:27:06] <Squiddleward> agreed
[2016-08-20 16:27:06] <MightyMorphinJon> What if someone made a bureaucrat request, and some new users neutralled it, but has a majority of support from active admins and 3/4 of the crats?
[2016-08-20 16:27:06] <AMK152> but we are not talking about that now
[2016-08-20 16:27:08] <FlyingDutchmen> agreed
[2016-08-20 16:27:14] <Cans48> agreed.
[2016-08-20 16:27:19] <Tanhamman> ^
[2016-08-20 16:27:19] <MightyMorphinJon> It should still pass
[2016-08-20 16:27:21] <Depth_Strider_10> I would say 4.
[2016-08-20 16:27:21] <Depth_Strider_10> but 3 is good enough.
[2016-08-20 16:27:22] <Cans48> It shouldgo strictly by votes.
[2016-08-20 16:27:25] <Spongebob456> If crats discuss it friend voting is avoided to be honest.
[2016-08-20 16:27:25] <AMK152> bureaucrat requests require ALL bureaucrats
[2016-08-20 16:27:27] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I agree with Jon.
[2016-08-20 16:27:32] <Cans48> yes @amk
[2016-08-20 16:27:35] <Cans48> that makes sense.
[2016-08-20 16:27:38] <Nicko756> @AMK That may not work. If say a user requesting for chat mod get 11 supports (10 from admins, 1 from a crat), and 1 crat is neutral, it should be able to pass.
[2016-08-20 16:27:38] <AMK152> SB456 is right
[2016-08-20 16:27:40] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Does Neutral actually count as a vote? (Sorry if off-topic.)
[2016-08-20 16:27:41] <TrevorOntario719> I agree with Liam.
[2016-08-20 16:27:54] <Tanhamman> It just counts as neither yes or no
[2016-08-20 16:27:55] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes, Jack.
[2016-08-20 16:27:55] <AMK152> we just require that a majority of bureaucrats discuss it
[2016-08-20 16:27:55] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Who's Liam?
[2016-08-20 16:27:56] <Cans48> hi
[2016-08-20 16:27:58] <AustinD-3> SB456: How would you classify it as "friend voting"
[2016-08-20 16:28:03] <FlyingDutchmen> Cans48
[2016-08-20 16:28:03] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Say, a user makes a request, all crats support, most admins support, but some new users oppose.
[2016-08-20 16:28:06] <MightyMorphinJon> Neutral is a oppose.
[2016-08-20 16:28:08] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Thats unfair IMO.
[2016-08-20 16:28:17] <TrevorOntario719> I agree.
[2016-08-20 16:28:17] <Cans48> I think that neutrals should be half of oppose.
[2016-08-20 16:28:24] <Spongebob456> The point is Crats subjectively and *qualitatively* discuss a request to assess whether it is corrupt or not (by friend voting etc).
[2016-08-20 16:28:26] <TrevorOntario719> I agree with this.
[2016-08-20 16:28:27] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Neutral should be neutral
[2016-08-20 16:28:29] <Cans48> So two neutrals equal an oppose.
[2016-08-20 16:28:32] <Tanhamman> No
[2016-08-20 16:28:36] <Tanhamman> Sounds bad
[2016-08-20 16:28:37] <Jordan2001> no
[2016-08-20 16:28:39] <Depth_Strider_10> Per Cans
[2016-08-20 16:28:39] <MightyMorphinJon> Neutrals just shouldn't count.
[2016-08-20 16:28:40] <TrevorOntario719> Neutral shouldn't have much of an effect
[2016-08-20 16:28:40] <AMK152> what about this:
[2016-08-20 16:28:40] <AMK152> 1) Institute voter requirements (100+ edits, 1+ month)
[2016-08-20 16:28:41] <AMK152> 2) Majority of bureaucrats must support for it to pass
[2016-08-20 16:28:41] <Cans48> Eh, just an idea.
[2016-08-20 16:28:42] <SBCA> Should we reinforce the page formats for locations, characters, etc? Because it's not usually followed that much anymore and on a lot of pages.
[2016-08-20 16:28:42] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> No of hose no support it's neutral 
[2016-08-20 16:28:43] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> If that user don't get rights.
[2016-08-20 16:28:48] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> That doesn't seem fair. @Cans
[2016-08-20 16:28:49] <Tanhamman> Sounds okay
[2016-08-20 16:28:54] <Squiddleward> agreed amk
[2016-08-20 16:29:01] <SBCA> Sounds good amk
[2016-08-20 16:29:01] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I agree.
[2016-08-20 16:29:08] <Nicko756> I think just half is alright.
[2016-08-20 16:29:09] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I agree. @AMK152
[2016-08-20 16:29:09] <Jordan2001> agreed
[2016-08-20 16:29:12] <Cans48> Mabe 4 neutrals equal an oppose?
[2016-08-20 16:29:17] <Squiddleward> how about: if a request has 0% after 3 days it can be closed
[2016-08-20 16:29:17] <Cans48> I don't know.
[2016-08-20 16:29:21] <Tanhamman> How about no neutrals equals an oppose
[2016-08-20 16:29:22] <AMK152> but only for assistant, admin, bureaucrat
[2016-08-20 16:29:25] <MightyMorphinJon> So AMK, if there is a majority of support from bureaucrats and admins, but still under 70, would it pass?
[2016-08-20 16:29:25] <SBCA> I agree with Squiddleward
[2016-08-20 16:29:26] <Cans48> Yes @anais.
[2016-08-20 16:29:31] <Cans48> that does make sense.
[2016-08-20 16:29:38] <Mb13566> yes
[2016-08-20 16:29:39] <AMK152> guys, we are not talking abotu valuey of votes
[2016-08-20 16:29:43] <SBCA> Nah, I don't think we should do that
[2016-08-20 16:29:43] <Spongebob456> Agree, AMK, but we analyse the request in Skype to look for friend voting. This sounds bad, but we may need to make an executive decision and decline a request that passes due to friend voting.
[2016-08-20 16:29:48] <Cans48> IDK what you said amk
[2016-08-20 16:30:00] <Tanhamman> Per Sb456
[2016-08-20 16:30:02] <Mb13566> i mean the ammount matters most.
[2016-08-20 16:30:09] <Tanhamman> Yeah. But are they valid?
[2016-08-20 16:30:15] <MightyMorphinJon> Yeah, over 90% in 3 days should be closed as successful. under 10% in three days should be closed.
[2016-08-20 16:30:20] <Squiddleward> yes.
[2016-08-20 16:30:20] <AMK152> yes, but if we decline the request, we just need to put our vote there to say we oppose, and then it falls short of passing per the majority requirement
[2016-08-20 16:30:20] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Oh, sorry, AMK. I think I was the one who brought that up.
[2016-08-20 16:30:22] <Cans48> per jon
[2016-08-20 16:30:23] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Jon.
[2016-08-20 16:30:25] <ZeoSpark> That's fair.
[2016-08-20 16:30:33] <Tanhamman> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:30:33] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would say under 25%
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[2016-08-20 16:30:37] <Cans48> Nah
[2016-08-20 16:30:44] <Cans48> 10% sounds good
[2016-08-20 16:30:49] <Cans48> 25% is a little too high
[2016-08-20 16:30:51] <ZeoSpark> 10% yeah.
[2016-08-20 16:30:53] <FlyingDutchmen> ^
[2016-08-20 16:30:55] <SBCA> Seems tedious but it might work.
[2016-08-20 16:30:55] <AMK152> AW10: that's an interesting idea, what are everyone's thoughts on that?
[2016-08-20 16:30:56] <ZeoSpark> 25% isn't fair.
[2016-08-20 16:30:58] <Tanhamman> ^
[2016-08-20 16:30:59] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> 10%.
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[2016-08-20 16:31:02] <SBCA> 10%
[2016-08-20 16:31:02] <Tanhamman> 10
[2016-08-20 16:31:07] <Jordan2001> 10%
[2016-08-20 16:31:07] <AMK152> stop talking about percentages
[2016-08-20 16:31:10] <Spongebob456> AMK: Yeah I know but I mean we make friend votes null and void. We also need *qualitative* discussions to assess the validity of the request and votes.
[2016-08-20 16:31:11] <Jordan2001> ok
[2016-08-20 16:31:11] <AMK152> we are not talking about them now
[2016-08-20 16:31:13] <Cans48> what idea?
[2016-08-20 16:31:23] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> AMK, the process would take some time so I'm neutral for now.
[2016-08-20 16:31:25] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> AW10 does have a good idea there.
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[2016-08-20 16:31:29] <AMK152> right that's basically what it does
[2016-08-20 16:31:31] <Cans48> Concern stage for voti?
[2016-08-20 16:31:32] <AW10> perhaps we create a concern and voting stage for all requests
[2016-08-20 16:31:35] <ZeoSpark> Concern and voting stages for requests?!
[2016-08-20 16:31:36] <Cans48> uhh...
[2016-08-20 16:31:38] <Cans48> no
[2016-08-20 16:31:42] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> No
[2016-08-20 16:31:45] <Jordan2001> no
[2016-08-20 16:31:46] <AMK152> what are everyone's thoughts on AW10's ideas?
[2016-08-20 16:31:46] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> But I would say if we do this, a week in the concern stage, a week in voting.
[2016-08-20 16:31:47] <Cans48> concerns about users?
[2016-08-20 16:31:54] <Cans48> that seems rude...
[2016-08-20 16:31:54] <SBCA> Seems a bit tedious, though.
[2016-08-20 16:31:55] <ZeoSpark> Sorry for saying this but that's ridiculous...
[2016-08-20 16:31:59] <Cans48> Bad amk.
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[2016-08-20 16:32:03] <AMK152> we could do it for only asst, admin, and bureaucrat
[2016-08-20 16:32:03] <TrevorOntario719> What are AW10's ideas?
[2016-08-20 16:32:06] <Squiddleward> it would take way too long
[2016-08-20 16:32:07] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:32:14] <Cans48> Way too long.
[2016-08-20 16:32:17] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Maybe just for crat.
[2016-08-20 16:32:18] <Jordan2001> per squiddleward
[2016-08-20 16:32:26] <TrevorOntario719> oh okay
[2016-08-20 16:32:26] <AMK152> yes, conerns about user. this is about a promotion, it should be discussed
[2016-08-20 16:32:26] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Actually, now that I think about it, it might not be that good of an idea.
[2016-08-20 16:32:28] <FlyingDutchmen> per ChocolateBrownieBoy
[2016-08-20 16:32:32] <Mb13566> also someone in chat kept metioning aricles that dontt have to do with anyting that someone made.
[2016-08-20 16:32:33] <AMK152> but we keep it at 1 week
[2016-08-20 16:32:34] <TrevorOntario719> if so
[2016-08-20 16:32:35] <Spongebob456> I have to go for a bit. But, my main input: Crats have the final say on requests, assessing for friend votes and any evidence of corruption. We have the right to decline a passing request if a significant amount of friend voting occurs. It may be subjective. 
[2016-08-20 16:32:36] <Cans48> Concers about a user?
[2016-08-20 16:32:39] <TrevorOntario719> then not really
[2016-08-20 16:32:41] <Cans48> Not really no/
[2016-08-20 16:32:44] <TrevorOntario719> i dont support
[2016-08-20 16:32:44] <ZeoSpark> No no no no no.
[2016-08-20 16:32:49] <Cans48> Nah.
[2016-08-20 16:32:49] <ZeoSpark> Not a good idea.
[2016-08-20 16:32:52] <AW10> well, during conern stage, we discussion his request, so user can change mind of a voter before voting
[2016-08-20 16:33:03] <Spongebob456> Is the "no no no" at me?
[2016-08-20 16:33:07] <ZeoSpark> Nah...too long just for a request.
[2016-08-20 16:33:08] <Cans48> Uhh... stil no.
[2016-08-20 16:33:13] <TrevorOntario719> when did requests have concern stages?
[2016-08-20 16:33:16] <Cans48> would take too long to do.
[2016-08-20 16:33:18] <AMK152> requests are important
[2016-08-20 16:33:19] <ZeoSpark> Nah, at the idea of creating a concerns for requests.
[2016-08-20 16:33:21] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> No, sorry, AW.
[2016-08-20 16:33:21] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-08-20 16:33:22] <Cans48> They don't @trevor
[2016-08-20 16:33:22] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Would take very long 
[2016-08-20 16:33:24] <Spongebob456> rifht
[2016-08-20 16:33:25] <Mb13566> i coul dgo faster 
[2016-08-20 16:33:32] <Cans48> It wouldn't go faster
[2016-08-20 16:33:33] <AMK152> why are we worried about length? this is an important decision
[2016-08-20 16:33:33] <Spongebob456> well, I've given my input on it.
[2016-08-20 16:33:38] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would agree to the idea if its only for admin/crat requests.
[2016-08-20 16:33:38] <ZeoSpark> Still, that just makes the requests go by longer.
[2016-08-20 16:33:39] <Spongebob456> will be back ASAP
[2016-08-20 16:33:40] <SBCA> Sorry but I think it would be too tedious
[2016-08-20 16:33:46] <AW10> we can reduce length
[2016-08-20 16:33:47] <SBCA> kk SB456
[2016-08-20 16:33:47] <Cans48> Just no.
[2016-08-20 16:33:53] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> no
[2016-08-20 16:33:54] <ZeoSpark> AMK, even you said in the past that requests shouldnt go long about that.
[2016-08-20 16:33:55] <Jordan2001> no
[2016-08-20 16:33:58] <AW10> less days per stage
[2016-08-20 16:33:58] <AMK152> ok, what about limiting it to only admins and bureaucrats?
[2016-08-20 16:34:04] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 16:34:06] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Agreed 
[2016-08-20 16:34:09] <SBCA> Seems good
[2016-08-20 16:34:11] <Cans48> MAYBE only crats.
[2016-08-20 16:34:12] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I am liking the idea.
[2016-08-20 16:34:15] <ZeoSpark> I'm still iffy about that.
[2016-08-20 16:34:16] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Works for me.
[2016-08-20 16:34:17] <Cans48> Not really admins.
[2016-08-20 16:34:18] <TrevorOntario719> for what? further checking for request?
[2016-08-20 16:34:19] <Nicko756> The longer the length, the more requests we will have. And we have too many discussions/reqests as it is.
[2016-08-20 16:34:21] <SBCA> But how about the time frame?
[2016-08-20 16:34:22] <Jordan2001> i like it so far
[2016-08-20 16:34:24] <Mb13566> maybe 
[2016-08-20 16:34:26] <Cans48> Too complicated.
[2016-08-20 16:34:28] <Mb13566> idk 
[2016-08-20 16:34:29] <Cans48> I don't like it .
[2016-08-20 16:34:39] <ZeoSpark> Yeah...still seems too much...
[2016-08-20 16:34:43] <Cans48> Also, if a troll doesn't like a user
[2016-08-20 16:34:43] <SBCA> 24-48 hours would be fine for crats
[2016-08-20 16:34:48] <AW10> ok, what about limiting it to only admins and bureaucrats?
[2016-08-20 16:34:48] <AW10> yes, and other user can comment
[2016-08-20 16:34:48] <AMK152> time frame: 5 days for discussion, 7 days for voting?
[2016-08-20 16:34:49] <Cans48> then he/she could trash talk about them
[2016-08-20 16:34:50] <ZeoSpark> Especially since the requests has to be revised AGAIN.
[2016-08-20 16:34:51] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I GTG. I'll check the logs on this later. Bye for now.
[2016-08-20 16:34:58] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Agreed AMK
[2016-08-20 16:35:01] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:35:06] <SBCA> Bye CBB
[2016-08-20 16:35:16] <TrevorOntario719> what about interviews?
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[2016-08-20 16:35:20] <AMK152> i would say we at least have a discussion on it, for admins and bureaucrats only
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[2016-08-20 16:35:21] <Cans48> Nah
[2016-08-20 16:35:22] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Agreed. @AMK and AW
[2016-08-20 16:35:22] <TrevorOntario719> where does that fit in?
[2016-08-20 16:35:23] <ZeoSpark> Interviews?
[2016-08-20 16:35:27] <Cans48> ?!
[2016-08-20 16:35:27] <AMK152> the interviews will still be presnet
[2016-08-20 16:35:27] <MightyMorphinJon> What were we talking about?
[2016-08-20 16:35:34] <MightyMorphinJon> I can't scroll up.
[2016-08-20 16:35:34] <Mb13566> hmm
[2016-08-20 16:35:34] <AMK152> er, the questions
[2016-08-20 16:35:34] <Cans48> interviews?
[2016-08-20 16:35:34] <SBCA> I think that's fair AMK
[2016-08-20 16:35:35] <ZeoSpark> What do you mean by that?
[2016-08-20 16:35:52] <AMK152> people have to answer questions in their request instead of just anything they want
[2016-08-20 16:35:52] <Nicko756> What's the point of having a discussion before voting on a request page?
[2016-08-20 16:35:52] <Mb13566> i dont etheir 
[2016-08-20 16:35:54] <Cans48> What the bloody hell does that mean? Interviewing a user for there capabilities?
[2016-08-20 16:35:54] <AMK152> Wikipedia does this
[2016-08-20 16:35:55] <TrevorOntario719> !upsRWLOFA
[2016-08-20 16:36:01] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:36:01] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~336 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:36:01] <Cans48> Whsat is the point of having a discussion stage?
[2016-08-20 16:36:09] <Mb13566> what 
[2016-08-20 16:36:15] <SBCA> Should we reinforce the page formats for locations, characters, etc? Because it's not usually followed that much anymore and on a lot of pages.
[2016-08-20 16:36:15] <AMK152> so we can really discuss the request
[2016-08-20 16:36:16] <Jordan2001> interviewing sounds a little too much
[2016-08-20 16:36:24] <Cans48> We can discuss the request
[2016-08-20 16:36:25] <Cans48> in the comments section
[2016-08-20 16:36:25] <AMK152> if there are legitimate concerns, they need to be brought up before someone votes and then leaves
[2016-08-20 16:36:27] <MightyMorphinJon> Interviewing the requestee?
[2016-08-20 16:36:29] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I like the interview idea 
[2016-08-20 16:36:31] <ZeoSpark> Hm....
[2016-08-20 16:36:38] <SonicTheEpic> Sorry I went AFK I had to say bye to my family
[2016-08-20 16:36:40] <SBCA> I'm quite neutral on the interviews, though.
[2016-08-20 16:36:40] <AW10> What the bloody hell does that mean? Interviewing a user for there capabilities?
[2016-08-20 16:36:40] <AW10> better to say consultation, interview is not a good term to describe it
[2016-08-20 16:36:43] <ZeoSpark> Is this a way against the "friend voting" or...
[2016-08-20 16:36:51] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:36:52] <AMK152> Cans: if 5 people support, and then someone else brings up a problem with the user, those 5 people may not see it and have a change to change their minds
[2016-08-20 16:36:54] <Mb13566> oh/
[2016-08-20 16:37:14] <TrevorOntario719> so questions, discussion, then voting?
[2016-08-20 16:37:14] <AMK152> not interview, they must answer questions
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[2016-08-20 16:37:23] <AMK152> like "Why do you think you should be an admin"
[2016-08-20 16:37:24] <Cans48> Eh. 
[2016-08-20 16:37:29] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:37:36] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Isn't that sort of what an interview is?
[2016-08-20 16:37:38] <Cans48> I would not do an interview.
[2016-08-20 16:37:38] <MightyMorphinJon> what about having a new system?
[2016-08-20 16:37:38] <AMK152> "Do you have experience on other wikis? If so, which are they?"
[2016-08-20 16:37:43] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Agreed AMK
[2016-08-20 16:37:44] <MightyMorphinJon> Has anyone seen wikia adoptions? 
[2016-08-20 16:37:44] <Mb13566> i men we shoul d say 
[2016-08-20 16:37:45] <SonicTheEpic> Cans, why not
[2016-08-20 16:37:47] <FlyingDutchmen> agreed with AMK
[2016-08-20 16:37:48] <Cans48> One: Gives away personal info
[2016-08-20 16:37:50] <MightyMorphinJon> That is like a admin request.
[2016-08-20 16:37:58] <SonicTheEpic> No it doesn't?
[2016-08-20 16:38:04] <Mb13566> huh? @jon
[2016-08-20 16:38:04] <Cans48> An interview?
[2016-08-20 16:38:07] <MightyMorphinJon> AMK, requests should be like wiki adoptions on the Community Central.
[2016-08-20 16:38:12] <Nicko756> Yeah, some like to keep what they do on other wikis private.
[2016-08-20 16:38:13] <ZeoSpark> That seems a bit unfair with that question. Do you have to have experience on other wikis to be an admin here?
[2016-08-20 16:38:17] <Mb13566> oh 
[2016-08-20 16:38:19] <Cans48> Thn where would it happen?
[2016-08-20 16:38:19] <AMK152> yeah Jon
[2016-08-20 16:38:27] <MightyMorphinJon> They ask you stuff such as "How long have you been on this wiki?"
[2016-08-20 16:38:33] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Per Zeo.
[2016-08-20 16:38:35] <Mb13566> huh 
[2016-08-20 16:38:38] <MightyMorphinJon> "Are you a current assistant?"
[2016-08-20 16:38:40] <Cans48> per zeo
[2016-08-20 16:38:45] <MightyMorphinJon> stuff like that
[2016-08-20 16:38:45] <AMK152> it would happen when they start their request
[2016-08-20 16:38:47] <Cans48> Too complicated
[2016-08-20 16:38:54] <Mb13566> idk how i feel about this.
[2016-08-20 16:38:54] <AMK152> they have to answer questions and everyone can see their answers before voting
[2016-08-20 16:38:56] <Cans48> Just make a request and vote on i
[2016-08-20 16:39:11] <Jordan2001> it is too complicated. per zeo 
[2016-08-20 16:39:13] <Cans48> We don't need a long, complicated request.
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[2016-08-20 16:39:16] <ZeoSpark> Darn it AMK, are you just ignoring these concerns?
[2016-08-20 16:39:18] <TrevorOntario719> so, requests are getting a three step overhaul?
[2016-08-20 16:39:20] <AW10> zeo, That seems a bit unfair with that question. Do you have to have experience on other wikis to be an admin here?
[2016-08-20 16:39:20] <AW10> it is just a question, saying no will not disqalify you, but if you have epxiernece it may help you get rights
[2016-08-20 16:39:23] <SBCA> I think it's too long
[2016-08-20 16:39:24] <AMK152> Cans, we are talking about giving people extra abilities and/or power. We cannot just hand out rights with out discussing it properly
[2016-08-20 16:39:32] <Cans48> Then we discuss it
[2016-08-20 16:39:33] <AMK152> Zeo, what concern?
[2016-08-20 16:39:36] <Cans48> in the comment section
[2016-08-20 16:39:38] <MightyMorphinJon> Cans, we do.
[2016-08-20 16:39:45] <MightyMorphinJon> As crazy as it sounds. 
[2016-08-20 16:39:46] <Cans48> What?
[2016-08-20 16:39:50] <Mb13566> yes 
[2016-08-20 16:39:50] <Cans48> We have what?
[2016-08-20 16:39:56] <Cans48> What are you answering?
[2016-08-20 16:39:59] <SBCA> We could make it 5 days for BOTH questions and discussions
[2016-08-20 16:40:04] <MightyMorphinJon> It won't be complicated, but we need a long way to request.
[2016-08-20 16:40:09] <Cans48> Jon?
[2016-08-20 16:40:12] <Cans48> We do what?
[2016-08-20 16:40:18] <Mb13566> nah
[2016-08-20 16:40:19] <MightyMorphinJon> Not a request where you say "I want to be admin because I will have higher power than others"
[2016-08-20 16:40:34] <Cans48> Jon I don't know what you answered.
[2016-08-20 16:40:34] <AMK152> Zeo, what concerns?
[2016-08-20 16:40:35] <ZeoSpark> I can understand for crats or admins but something like chat mods?
[2016-08-20 16:40:35] <TrevorOntario719> is that a reference to Pickle Plankton?
[2016-08-20 16:40:41] <Cans48> And if they think that is a legitimate reason
[2016-08-20 16:40:46] <Cans48> then it is to them.
[2016-08-20 16:40:47] <AMK152> chat mods would be different questions
[2016-08-20 16:40:47] <Mb13566> maybe you could say 
[2016-08-20 16:40:50] <MightyMorphinJon> Cans, this: 
[2016-08-20 16:40:50] <MightyMorphinJon> "We don't need a long, complicated request."
[2016-08-20 16:40:50] <AMK152> different questions based on the position
[2016-08-20 16:40:56] <ZeoSpark> The concerns about the "being too long and complicated"
[2016-08-20 16:40:59] <Cans48> Oh, well I disagree.
[2016-08-20 16:41:00] <TrevorOntario719> why does chat mod need this?
[2016-08-20 16:41:01] <Cans48> We don't
[2016-08-20 16:41:04] <MightyMorphinJon> Should requests for rollback exist?
[2016-08-20 16:41:04] <AMK152> like for chat mods: "How often do you go on chat?"
[2016-08-20 16:41:04] <Mb13566> reasons why i could be a great admin"
[2016-08-20 16:41:06] <TrevorOntario719> chat mod should be more simple
[2016-08-20 16:41:13] <ZeoSpark> Nah. @Jon
[2016-08-20 16:41:15] <Cans48> This is seriously way too complicated.
[2016-08-20 16:41:19] <ZeoSpark> Rollback is a very minor position.
[2016-08-20 16:41:24] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:41:24] <AMK152> guys ,chat mods would nto have a tw ostep process
[2016-08-20 16:41:24] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Couldn't you find that out by reading the logs? @AMK152
[2016-08-20 16:41:26] <Jordan2001> it really is
[2016-08-20 16:41:27] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I have to go 
[2016-08-20 16:41:33] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:41:34] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I'll read the logs 
[2016-08-20 16:41:34] <ZeoSpark> Though, I think something should be done a little better regarding those rights.
[2016-08-20 16:41:35] <TrevorOntario719> AMK, what?
[2016-08-20 16:41:35] <SBCA> Hacks for rollbacks are possible on wikia so I believe the position is useless, though I have it on another wiki
[2016-08-20 16:41:37] <MightyMorphinJon> It is not complicated, unless if you have no idea how to answer a question. @Cans
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[2016-08-20 16:41:49] <AMK152> Jack, do you really want to go back and read all the logs? that could take hours
[2016-08-20 16:41:49] <SBCA> (the position)
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[2016-08-20 16:41:52] <ZeoSpark> Like at least three admins should agree if the user is good for rollback.
[2016-08-20 16:42:00] <Cans48> What the bloody hell does that mean? I do know how to answer question.
[2016-08-20 16:42:00] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Oh yeah. Good point. :P
[2016-08-20 16:42:02] <MightyMorphinJon> Yeah SBCA, the rollback tool.
[2016-08-20 16:42:02] <Mb13566> um 
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[2016-08-20 16:42:15] <Cans48> I promoted rollback through a pm, I don't hink we need requests.
[2016-08-20 16:42:15] <SBCA> Yep Jon
[2016-08-20 16:42:18] <MightyMorphinJon> It is a global tool to put on your global css.
[2016-08-20 16:42:18] <AMK152> I have other ideas about rollback, but lets continue with requests in general
[2016-08-20 16:42:19] <Squiddleward> rollback should be discussed in the admin skype chat
[2016-08-20 16:42:23] <ZeoSpark> Not just one. I never really like that just one thing.
[2016-08-20 16:42:23] <AMK152> ok STOP
[2016-08-20 16:42:24] <SBCA> Sure
[2016-08-20 16:42:29] <Nicko756> AMK, we could require users to answer those questions on the request page itself. We don't need a discussion before the voting.
[2016-08-20 16:42:37] <Jordan2001> per squiddle, and may i bring up the next topic?
[2016-08-20 16:42:40] <Mb13566> sure
[2016-08-20 16:42:40] <AMK152> trues
[2016-08-20 16:42:44] <ZeoSpark> Woah. Stay calm AMK.
[2016-08-20 16:42:44] <AMK152> I am going to ask a series of questions to see what everyone things on what we have discussed
[2016-08-20 16:42:45] <Cans48> Stop what?
[2016-08-20 16:42:51] <ZeoSpark> The "STOP" means you were yelling.
[2016-08-20 16:43:05] <TrevorOntario719> i take STOP as a strict
[2016-08-20 16:43:05] <AMK152> no, it means we need to move one
[2016-08-20 16:43:06] <SonicTheEpic> Zeo, he meant to do that
[2016-08-20 16:43:06] <AMK152> *on
[2016-08-20 16:43:06] <TrevorOntario719> but not mad
[2016-08-20 16:43:14] <Cans48> we are discussing voting matters.
[2016-08-20 16:43:15] <Mb13566> uh huh\
[2016-08-20 16:43:15] <TrevorOntario719> like your gym teacher blowing a whistle
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[2016-08-20 16:43:22] <SBCA> anyway
[2016-08-20 16:43:28] <Mb13566> um 
[2016-08-20 16:43:29] <AMK152> 1. What does everyone think about requiring 100+ edits to vote, 50 of them namespace, and 1 month old account?
[2016-08-20 16:43:29] <Cans48> we haven't sold anthing yet.
[2016-08-20 16:43:35] <Mb13566> back to topi c
[2016-08-20 16:43:35] <AMK152> Yes or No
[2016-08-20 16:43:38] <FlyingDutchmen> yes
[2016-08-20 16:43:44] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:43:44] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> (y)
[2016-08-20 16:43:48] <AustinD-3> AMK; 100 seems to much.
[2016-08-20 16:43:48] <TrevorOntario719> For what, chat mod?
[2016-08-20 16:43:55] <Nicko756> No
[2016-08-20 16:43:55] <Cans48> Undemocratic.
[2016-08-20 16:43:55] <Squiddleward> yes on 1 month
[2016-08-20 16:43:55] <AMK152> all positions
[2016-08-20 16:43:55] <SBCA> Yes but lower the edit count
[2016-08-20 16:43:59] <ZeoSpark> The 50+ main space should be tweeked.
[2016-08-20 16:43:59] <Cans48> Extremely undemocratic.
[2016-08-20 16:43:59] <AustinD-3> I would say at least 50 edits in general.
[2016-08-20 16:44:02] <Mb13566> seriously i think they is more we need to talk about 
[2016-08-20 16:44:04] <AustinD-3> And yes to 1 month
[2016-08-20 16:44:08] <SonicTheEpic> No
[2016-08-20 16:44:09] <Cans48> No no no.
[2016-08-20 16:44:14] <Mb13566> no
[2016-08-20 16:44:14] <AMK152> STOP
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[2016-08-20 16:44:18] <Cans48> Stop what?
[2016-08-20 16:44:19] <ZeoSpark> I mean, a user could have half comment edits and half main space edits and can apply.
[2016-08-20 16:44:24] <Cans48> AMK you wanted to have this convention.
[2016-08-20 16:44:24] <AMK152> 1. What does everyone think about requiring 50+ edits to vote, 25 of them namespace, and 1 month old account?
[2016-08-20 16:44:27] <Cans48> NO!
[2016-08-20 16:44:29] <Cans48> I answered already.
[2016-08-20 16:44:32] <FlyingDutchmen> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:44:32] <TrevorOntario719> No.
[2016-08-20 16:44:36] <TrevorOntario719> NO mainspace.
[2016-08-20 16:44:36] <AMK152> I am changing the question
[2016-08-20 16:44:37] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-08-20 16:44:43] <Jordan2001> no
[2016-08-20 16:44:44] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> 25 sounds too small.
[2016-08-20 16:44:45] <Mb13566> i dont think edits matter to vote 
[2016-08-20 16:44:48] <Cans48> ^
[2016-08-20 16:44:52] <Jordan2001> true
[2016-08-20 16:44:53] <TrevorOntario719> wait
[2016-08-20 16:44:55] <Depth_Strider_10> They do.
[2016-08-20 16:44:58] <TrevorOntario719> i thought we're talking about chat mod
[2016-08-20 16:44:59] <SBCA> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:45:00] <Jordan2001> per mb
[2016-08-20 16:45:01] <ZeoSpark> Yeah...
[2016-08-20 16:45:01] <SonicTheEpic> 25 edits to vote, no mainspace
[2016-08-20 16:45:04] <Cans48> Undemocratic.
[2016-08-20 16:45:06] <Squiddleward> time makes sense because you can't vote in the us until you're 18
[2016-08-20 16:45:21] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Or any other country.
[2016-08-20 16:45:23] <ZeoSpark> You really want a vandal requesting on votes?
[2016-08-20 16:45:27] <Cans48> Wait a second
[2016-08-20 16:45:27] <AMK152> 1. What does everyone think about requiring a user to have been on ESB at least 1 month in order to vote on anything?
[2016-08-20 16:45:27] <ZeoSpark> Wait, that didn't sound right..
[2016-08-20 16:45:29] <Nicko756> You can't be on Wikia until your 13.
[2016-08-20 16:45:33] <Mb13566> i mean it think it matters how long you hav ebeen on the wiki 
[2016-08-20 16:45:33] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:45:34] <SBCA> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:45:35] <Jordan2001> exactly
[2016-08-20 16:45:36] <TrevorOntario719> I agree AMK
[2016-08-20 16:45:36] <Go2Rutledge> I know.
[2016-08-20 16:45:37] <ZeoSpark> I agree.
[2016-08-20 16:45:39] <Mb13566> yes you can.
[2016-08-20 16:45:40] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:45:41] <SonicTheEpic> Not sure
[2016-08-20 16:45:43] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:45:49] <Depth_Strider_10> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:45:50] <AMK152> ok, looks like mostly agree
[2016-08-20 16:46:25] <Cans48> Ah great.
[2016-08-20 16:46:26] <Nicko756> I meant create an account.
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[2016-08-20 16:46:27] <AMK152> lag
[2016-08-20 16:46:36] <Mb13566> i think users underage oul be on here as long as they are careful. 
[2016-08-20 16:46:36] <AMK152> 2. How many edits should you have in order to vote?
[2016-08-20 16:46:39] <AW10> by the way, I think we should just bring ideas to meeting thus triggering thoughts of other and perhaps causing others to get ideas; and then handle ideas with a discussion, we do not have time to think properly about all ideas, but we can still discuss on the flow
[2016-08-20 16:46:40] <Cans48> None.
[2016-08-20 16:46:40] <Jordan2001> amk may i ask a question?
[2016-08-20 16:46:44] <TrevorOntario719> 25.
[2016-08-20 16:46:45] <SonicTheEpic> 20
[2016-08-20 16:46:45] <Squiddleward> no edit requirement
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[2016-08-20 16:46:46] <TrevorOntario719> just 25.
[2016-08-20 16:46:47] <Cans48> O
[2016-08-20 16:46:48] <MightyMorphinJon> 25
[2016-08-20 16:46:49] <TrevorOntario719> or 0
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[2016-08-20 16:46:52] <SBCA> 20
[2016-08-20 16:46:53] <Depth_Strider_10> 45
[2016-08-20 16:46:53] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yeah, okay, 25.
[2016-08-20 16:46:54] <Cans48> none at all.
[2016-08-20 16:46:56] <Jordan2001> 35
[2016-08-20 16:46:59] <Jordan2001> or 25
[2016-08-20 16:47:01] <Cans48> This is undemocratic.
[2016-08-20 16:47:04] <Cans48> All users should vote.
[2016-08-20 16:47:05] <AMK152> yes, AW10, that is the point. Discuss here, then bring to discussion
[2016-08-20 16:47:06] <Nicko756> 10
[2016-08-20 16:47:07] <Mb13566> 30
[2016-08-20 16:47:14] <ZeoSpark> I don't think the edits are needed to vote. Just the time on the wiki so you can get to know the users better and see their edits for themselves.
[2016-08-20 16:47:14] <AMK152> yes, Jordan?
[2016-08-20 16:47:15] <MightyMorphinJon> There needs to be a edit requirement to keep the chaos low.
[2016-08-20 16:47:15] <SonicTheEpic> wait...
[2016-08-20 16:47:20] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:47:21] <SBCA> 20 or 25
[2016-08-20 16:47:24] <SonicTheEpic> 0
[2016-08-20 16:47:29] <Mb13566> 30.
[2016-08-20 16:47:29] <Cans48> 0
[2016-08-20 16:47:34] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I say 25 sounds fair.
[2016-08-20 16:47:34] <AW10> yes, expeirence over numbers
[2016-08-20 16:47:42] <MightyMorphinJon> Well again, it does cause edit farming.
[2016-08-20 16:47:43] <Jordan2001> Have we discuss over the discussions page yet?
[2016-08-20 16:47:45] <Squiddleward> time makes more sense
[2016-08-20 16:47:45] <AMK152> Ok, STOP, Jordan has a question
[2016-08-20 16:47:46] <Cans48> I think 0 is democratic.
[2016-08-20 16:47:50] <Mb13566> maybe 
[2016-08-20 16:48:03] <Cans48> AMK please calm down.
[2016-08-20 16:48:03] <AMK152> not yet
[2016-08-20 16:48:11] <SonicTheEpic> Cans, he's not mad
[2016-08-20 16:48:11] <AMK152> 3. What does everyone thing about 25 edits as a voter requirement?
[2016-08-20 16:48:12] <Mb13566> npo
[2016-08-20 16:48:15] <Squiddleward> no
[2016-08-20 16:48:17] <MightyMorphinJon> Cans do not tell a bureaucrat to calm down when he is trying to control everything.
[2016-08-20 16:48:19] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:48:22] <Cans48> Jon.
[2016-08-20 16:48:26] <SonicTheEpic> Extremely Strong oppose
[2016-08-20 16:48:26] <Jordan2001> Neutral leaning towards oppose
[2016-08-20 16:48:30] <Cans48> Oppose.
[2016-08-20 16:48:30] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> So and so.
[2016-08-20 16:48:33] <Mb13566> no
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[2016-08-20 16:48:35] <MightyMorphinJon> Weak Oppose.
[2016-08-20 16:48:36] <ZeoSpark> That is unnecessary.
[2016-08-20 16:48:38] <SBCA> Neutral to oppose
[2016-08-20 16:48:43] <ZeoSpark> Just say "oppose" or "neutral"
[2016-08-20 16:48:44] <AW10> I do not think that edits should matter
[2016-08-20 16:48:44] <SBCA> Should we reinforce the page formats for locations, characters, etc? Because it's not usually followed that much anymore and on a lot of pages.
[2016-08-20 16:48:47] <TrevorOntario719> STOP isn't supposed to be mad. It's just a strict way to calm people down, like a gym teacher blowing a whistle.
[2016-08-20 16:48:47] <Jordan2001> what @Zeo
[2016-08-20 16:48:53] <SBCA> oh sorry wron
[2016-08-20 16:48:53] <AMK152> Ok, stop.
[2016-08-20 16:48:55] <TrevorOntario719> I say Oppose.
[2016-08-20 16:48:56] <SBCA> have we discussed articles yet?
[2016-08-20 16:49:01] <Nicko756> No. Now that I think of it, we've had edit requirements before, and it didn't work out. We going back and forth.
[2016-08-20 16:49:03] <Squiddleward> that's for a different convention
[2016-08-20 16:49:05] <Mb13566> .....
[2016-08-20 16:49:05] <AMK152> 4. Edit requirements for voting: yes or no?
[2016-08-20 16:49:08] <Cans48> No
[2016-08-20 16:49:09] <Squiddleward> no
[2016-08-20 16:49:09] <AW10> but experience measured right should matter
[2016-08-20 16:49:12] <Jordan2001> no
[2016-08-20 16:49:13] <TrevorOntario719> no
[2016-08-20 16:49:13] <SBCA> Nah
[2016-08-20 16:49:14] <SonicTheEpic> no
[2016-08-20 16:49:15] <MightyMorphinJon> No, this causes edit farming.
[2016-08-20 16:49:15] <Mb13566> maybe 
[2016-08-20 16:49:17] <ZeoSpark> Nope.
[2016-08-20 16:49:18] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Neutral.
[2016-08-20 16:49:20] <Depth_Strider_10> Nah
[2016-08-20 16:49:20] <Mb13566> but no
[2016-08-20 16:49:24] <AW10> no
[2016-08-20 16:49:26] <Squiddleward> you can edit farm but you can't time farm
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[2016-08-20 16:49:36] <MightyMorphinJon> Yeah, I think time matters more.
[2016-08-20 16:49:36] <Depth_Strider_10> Per Squiddle
[2016-08-20 16:49:37] <ZeoSpark> True.
[2016-08-20 16:49:37] <Cans48> ?
[2016-08-20 16:49:43] <Nicko756> No.
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[2016-08-20 16:49:45] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Time > editcount
[2016-08-20 16:49:50] <Squiddleward> yes.
[2016-08-20 16:49:51] <TrevorOntario719> Per Squiddle
[2016-08-20 16:49:52] <SBCA> Per above
[2016-08-20 16:49:57] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Above
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[2016-08-20 16:50:05] <Mb13566> yes 
[2016-08-20 16:50:05] <AMK152> ok, looks like the edit requirement is unpopular, but people woudl rather have 1 month requirement
[2016-08-20 16:50:10] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 16:50:10] <TrevorOntario719> yes
[2016-08-20 16:50:14] <Mb13566> yes.
[2016-08-20 16:50:14] <Jordan2001> yes
[2016-08-20 16:50:14] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:50:15] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> (y)
[2016-08-20 16:50:17] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-08-20 16:50:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:50:17] <Nicko756> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:50:17] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~335 to log page).
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[2016-08-20 16:50:21] <Depth_Strider_10> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:50:22] <AMK152> Ok, then
[2016-08-20 16:50:23] <SonicTheEpic> No
[2016-08-20 16:50:25] <SBCA> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:50:25] <Spongebob456> Are we still talking about this? xD
[2016-08-20 16:50:26] <Cans48> I am opposed to time
[2016-08-20 16:50:27] <SonicTheEpic> 2 weeks
[2016-08-20 16:50:33] <Cans48> O weeks
[2016-08-20 16:50:33] <Mb13566> yup!
[2016-08-20 16:50:34] <ZeoSpark> low*
[2016-08-20 16:50:34] <Cans48> let all users vote
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[2016-08-20 16:50:40] <SpongeFreddy777> what are we doing
[2016-08-20 16:50:43] <ZeoSpark> Way too low
[2016-08-20 16:50:48] <Squiddleward> it makes sense because children aren't allowed to vote in real life
[2016-08-20 16:50:49] <AMK152> 5. At least how many edits should a person have to be promoted to any position at ESB?
[2016-08-20 16:50:51] <TrevorOntario719> overview on everything
[2016-08-20 16:50:51] <Cans48> All users should vote.
[2016-08-20 16:51:00] <Jordan2001> at least 100
[2016-08-20 16:51:00] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Voter requirements. @SpongeFreddy777
[2016-08-20 16:51:02] <Cans48> Well, we already have that amk
[2016-08-20 16:51:02] <Mb13566> per cans 
[2016-08-20 16:51:05] <SpongeFreddy777> @AMK 100 with 50 main
[2016-08-20 16:51:09] <Jordan2001> 50-100
[2016-08-20 16:51:09] <ZeoSpark> Any position?
[2016-08-20 16:51:10] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 100
[2016-08-20 16:51:10] <Cans48> depends
[2016-08-20 16:51:11] <ZeoSpark> Even chat mod?
[2016-08-20 16:51:12] <SBCA> 50 main
[2016-08-20 16:51:13] <MightyMorphinJon> 1 month is the best.
[2016-08-20 16:51:13] <SpongeFreddy777> except chat mod
[2016-08-20 16:51:14] <Cans48> wht position?
[2016-08-20 16:51:14] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> 100 (50 main).
[2016-08-20 16:51:15] <Squiddleward> definitely have a mainspace requirement
[2016-08-20 16:51:18] <Cans48> chat mod can have 0
[2016-08-20 16:51:18] <AMK152> any position
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[2016-08-20 16:51:24] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 50 chat mod
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[2016-08-20 16:51:27] <SBCA> basta 50 main
[2016-08-20 16:51:27] <Cans48> well then chat mod 0
[2016-08-20 16:51:28] <SonicTheEpic> Mainspace requirement for CM too?
[2016-08-20 16:51:29] <SpongeFreddy777> 50 with 25 main
[2016-08-20 16:51:30] <Spongebob456> For an admin 1000 imo
[2016-08-20 16:51:33] <ZeoSpark> You don't need edits to be a chat mod.
[2016-08-20 16:51:34] <Cans48> assistant 50
[2016-08-20 16:51:36] <SonicTheEpic> I can't vote for this
[2016-08-20 16:51:40] <MightyMorphinJon> CMs don't need mainspace.
[2016-08-20 16:51:40] <AMK152> for chat mods, we get to learn their behavior on the wiki as well for better judgment
[2016-08-20 16:51:42] <SBCA> at least 5 for chat mod
[2016-08-20 16:51:48] <Cans48> admins like 1000
[2016-08-20 16:51:48] <SonicTheEpic> No we don't
[2016-08-20 16:51:51] <SpongeFreddy777> 456 crat is 1k
[2016-08-20 16:51:59] <MightyMorphinJon> 1k mainspace
[2016-08-20 16:52:03] <Jordan2001> admins=1000
[2016-08-20 16:52:05] <MightyMorphinJon> 2k edits altogether
[2016-08-20 16:52:05] <Cans48> and crats like 3000
[2016-08-20 16:52:14] <SonicTheEpic> 1000 mainspace?
[2016-08-20 16:52:14] <Jordan2001> assistants=100
[2016-08-20 16:52:14] <AMK152> STOP
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[2016-08-20 16:52:18] <SBCA> Okay
[2016-08-20 16:52:19] <Cans48> what?
[2016-08-20 16:52:28] <Depth_Strider_10> For assistant it should be 700.
[2016-08-20 16:52:28] <Cans48> you asked us amk to answer you.
[2016-08-20 16:52:28] <AMK152> 6. So for all users, what about 100 edits, 50 of them mainspace to qualify?
[2016-08-20 16:52:33] <ZeoSpark> I don't see a problem here.
[2016-08-20 16:52:41] <Cans48> Sure.
[2016-08-20 16:52:41] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:52:42] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:52:42] <AMK152> as minimum, crats are still 1,000
[2016-08-20 16:52:42] <MightyMorphinJon> Yeah, half and half is good.
[2016-08-20 16:52:42] <Jordan2001> okay
[2016-08-20 16:52:44] <TrevorOntario719> is this for chat mod?
[2016-08-20 16:52:44] <TrevorOntario719> I don't agree with mainspace
[2016-08-20 16:52:45] <FlyingDutchmen> Agreed
[2016-08-20 16:52:48] <Mb13566> i guess so.
[2016-08-20 16:52:51] <Cans48> Not for chat mod though
[2016-08-20 16:52:52] <AMK152> it's for everything
[2016-08-20 16:52:55] <Cans48> The no.
[2016-08-20 16:53:04] <TrevorOntario719> no
[2016-08-20 16:53:04] <Jordan2001> and what about time requirements?
[2016-08-20 16:53:04] <Cans48> Chat mod should have 0 edits.
[2016-08-20 16:53:04] <AMK152> 6. So for all users, what about 100 edits, 50 of them mainspace to qualify? Yes or no?
[2016-08-20 16:53:04] <MightyMorphinJon> Chat mod is a social position.
[2016-08-20 16:53:05] <ZeoSpark> Chat mod should be excluded from that.
[2016-08-20 16:53:11] <Jordan2001> and what about time requirements?
[2016-08-20 16:53:12] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> (y)
[2016-08-20 16:53:13] <TrevorOntario719> Chat mod should need no mainspace edits
[2016-08-20 16:53:14] <Cans48> Yes if no chat d.
[2016-08-20 16:53:14] <MightyMorphinJon> Not something like assistant.
[2016-08-20 16:53:19] <Nicko756> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:53:22] <MightyMorphinJon> Everything else except chat moderator and moderator.
[2016-08-20 16:53:22] <AMK152> we are not discussing time.
[2016-08-20 16:53:25] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Not all positions 
[2016-08-20 16:53:32] <SonicTheEpic> No
[2016-08-20 16:53:33] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Moderator should have edits 
[2016-08-20 16:53:36] <SpongeFreddy777> AMK if we make new requirements will my assistant request fail if i don't meet a requirement?
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[2016-08-20 16:53:44] <AMK152> STOP new question
[2016-08-20 16:53:47] <SBCA> yes
[2016-08-20 16:53:47] <AMK152> Freddy: you will be grandfatehred in
[2016-08-20 16:53:47] <AMK152> 6. So for all promotion requests except chat mod, what about 100 edits, 50 of them mainspace to qualify? Yes or no?
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[2016-08-20 16:53:56] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> (y)
[2016-08-20 16:53:57] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:53:58] <SBCA> yes
[2016-08-20 16:53:59] <FlyingDutchmen> yes
[2016-08-20 16:54:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes 
[2016-08-20 16:54:01] <Cans48> No
[2016-08-20 16:54:03] <Jordan2001> yes
[2016-08-20 16:54:04] <TrevorOntario719> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:54:07] <SpongeFreddy777> yes
[2016-08-20 16:54:12] <ZeoSpark> Yes if chat mod isn't included.
[2016-08-20 16:54:12] <AMK152> Excellent.
[2016-08-20 16:54:13] <Nicko756> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:54:21] <SonicTheEpic> yes
[2016-08-20 16:54:21] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-08-20 16:54:28] <Nicko756> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:54:28] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~123 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:54:32] <MightyMorphinJon> Alright, that looks unaminous.
[2016-08-20 16:54:36] <Cans48> no
[2016-08-20 16:54:38] <Cans48> I voted no
[2016-08-20 16:54:43] <MightyMorphinJon> Or not.
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[2016-08-20 16:54:50] <Squiddleward> majority
[2016-08-20 16:54:53] <MightyMorphinJon> Also, I want to move to a new topic.
[2016-08-20 16:54:54] <AMK152> 7. For all promotion requests, should we require that users have a 1-month clean block record? Yes, no, higher or lower?
[2016-08-20 16:55:01] <Nicko756> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:55:02] <SBCA> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:55:02] <Cans48> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:55:02] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes 
[2016-08-20 16:55:02] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:55:03] <TrevorOntario719> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:55:05] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:55:06] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-08-20 16:55:09] <FlyingDutchmen> yes
[2016-08-20 16:55:11] <ZeoSpark> Defintely agree.
[2016-08-20 16:55:12] <Jordan2001> yes
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[2016-08-20 16:55:18] <SonicTheEpic> Yup
[2016-08-20 16:55:19] <AMK152> Excellent.
[2016-08-20 16:55:19] <Cans48> Why isn't that a thing alredy?
[2016-08-20 16:55:21] <SpongeFreddy777> yes
[2016-08-20 16:55:24] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Well, that's unanimous. :P
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[2016-08-20 16:55:34] <Cans48> Yep.
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[2016-08-20 16:55:48] <AMK152> 8. For promotion requests, should we require that user be on ESB at least 1 month in order to qualify?
[2016-08-20 16:55:49] <Mb13566> 5 mins 
[2016-08-20 16:55:54] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-08-20 16:55:54] <SpongeFreddy777> what
[2016-08-20 16:55:55] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:55:55] <FlyingDutchmen> yes
[2016-08-20 16:55:56] <Cans48> No
[2016-08-20 16:55:57] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-08-20 16:55:58] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:55:59] <Jordan2001> yes
[2016-08-20 16:56:00] <SonicTheEpic> No
[2016-08-20 16:56:00] <Mb13566> yes.
[2016-08-20 16:56:01] <ZeoSpark> Yep.
[2016-08-20 16:56:01] <TrevorOntario719> yes
[2016-08-20 16:56:06] <SpongeFreddy777> What is this about
[2016-08-20 16:56:11] <SBCA> yes
[2016-08-20 16:56:11] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-08-20 16:56:11] <Depth_Strider_10> yes
[2016-08-20 16:56:13] <MightyMorphinJon> Requests.
[2016-08-20 16:56:17] <SpongeFreddy777> yes
[2016-08-20 16:56:23] <Dejavukitkat13> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:56:26] <Squiddleward> looks like majority
[2016-08-20 16:56:27] <Nicko756> Wait, change that to Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:56:36] <SpongeFreddy777> majority
[2016-08-20 16:56:37] <Jordan2001> wait is it 30 days in a row to be promoted?
[2016-08-20 16:56:37] <Cans48> Also change mine to yes
[2016-08-20 16:56:39] <SBCA> Majority wins
[2016-08-20 16:56:44] <SpongeFreddy777> Yes wins
[2016-08-20 16:56:49] <Cans48> Unaninmous
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[2016-08-20 16:56:53] <AMK152> 1 month
[2016-08-20 16:56:53] <AMK152> Excellent.
[2016-08-20 16:56:54] <Mb13566> IDK
[2016-08-20 16:57:00] <MightyMorphinJon> Anything else?
[2016-08-20 16:57:01] <SBCA> Wait jordan has a vaild question
[2016-08-20 16:57:01] <Mb13566> yeah '
[2016-08-20 16:57:05] <SBCA> 1 month straight?
[2016-08-20 16:57:06] <Spongebob456> My internet died...
[2016-08-20 16:57:13] <Jordan2001> wait is it 30 days in a row to be promoted?
[2016-08-20 16:57:13] <ZeoSpark> Yep. It's only fair though.
[2016-08-20 16:57:13] <AMK152> yes, Jordan?
[2016-08-20 16:57:15] <MightyMorphinJon> Jordan spoke a good question.
[2016-08-20 16:57:17] <Squiddleward> active for one month or account one month old?
[2016-08-20 16:57:27] <Spongebob456> Oh and all your skype messages came through at once
[2016-08-20 16:57:28] <AMK152> tiem since first edit
[2016-08-20 16:57:33] <Squiddleward> ah
[2016-08-20 16:57:36] <Cans48> k
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[2016-08-20 16:57:37] <SBCA> (y)
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[2016-08-20 16:57:42] <SpongeFreddy777> (y)
[2016-08-20 16:57:43] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> I see.
[2016-08-20 16:57:47] <Jordan2001> okay
[2016-08-20 16:57:47] <AMK152> if you first edit on January 1, 2016, you cannot request for anything until Feb 1, 2016
[2016-08-20 16:57:50] <Spongebob456> right, an admin, active for 3 months 1k edit count
[2016-08-20 16:57:52] <MightyMorphinJon> so if I made my first edit today, would i have to wait september 20 to vote?
[2016-08-20 16:57:53] <Mb13566> i have a question 
[2016-08-20 16:57:54] <Cans48> k.
[2016-08-20 16:57:57] <MightyMorphinJon> okay
[2016-08-20 16:57:57] <SpongeFreddy777> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 16:57:57] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> SpongeFreddy777: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~88 to log page).
[2016-08-20 16:58:03] <SpongeFreddy777> 456 1k main?
[2016-08-20 16:58:03] <Jordan2001> yes jon
[2016-08-20 16:58:06] <SBCA> Have we talked about articles yet?
[2016-08-20 16:58:08] <Jordan2001> that is correct
[2016-08-20 16:58:10] <MightyMorphinJon> Nope.
[2016-08-20 16:58:11] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-08-20 16:58:11] <AMK152> voting and qualifying for promotion
[2016-08-20 16:58:12] <Mb13566> no 
[2016-08-20 16:58:14] <Squiddleward> that's for a different convention sbca
[2016-08-20 16:58:15] <Spongebob456> Freddy: Combined
[2016-08-20 16:58:20] <SBCA> Okay, thanks so sorry
[2016-08-20 16:58:20] <AMK152> ok next question
[2016-08-20 16:58:26] <Mb13566> um
[2016-08-20 16:58:29] <Mb13566> so
[2016-08-20 16:58:29] <SpongeFreddy777> 456: okay
[2016-08-20 16:58:32] <SpongeFreddy777> okay amk
[2016-08-20 16:58:34] <Spongebob456> Admin needs to have conversing abilities on forums as well
[2016-08-20 16:58:36] <SonicTheEpic> I thought this was supposed to be 2 hours?
[2016-08-20 16:58:40] <TrevorOntario719> it is
[2016-08-20 16:58:41] <SpongeFreddy777> !seen JCM
[2016-08-20 16:58:41] <MightyMorphinJon> It is 
[2016-08-20 16:58:44] <Jordan2001> sorry if this is brought up but have we went over discussuions
[2016-08-20 16:58:47] <MightyMorphinJon> 4 more minutes.
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[2016-08-20 16:58:54] <TrevorOntario719> 2 more
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[2016-08-20 16:58:55] <SpongeFreddy777> 2 more mins
[2016-08-20 16:58:55] <SonicTheEpic> Actually 2
[2016-08-20 16:58:57] <Squiddleward> i've got 2
[2016-08-20 16:58:58] <Cans48> 2 more mins
[2016-08-20 16:58:59] <Mb13566> why dont we ban troll forever agter a while/
[2016-08-20 16:58:59] <Nicko756> Freddy !seen is turned off.
[2016-08-20 16:59:00] <SBCA> 2 minutes left
[2016-08-20 16:59:00] <SonicTheEpic> Now 1
[2016-08-20 16:59:01] <Jordan2001> 2
[2016-08-20 16:59:01] <Cans48> 1 more
[2016-08-20 16:59:02] <Dejavukitkat13> 2 
[2016-08-20 16:59:03] <SBCA> 120 secs
[2016-08-20 16:59:07] <SpongeFreddy777> oh @Nicko
[2016-08-20 16:59:08] <AMK152> 9. Should we require questions (different for each positon) to be answered for all requests? Yes or no?
[2016-08-20 16:59:12] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:59:12] <Jordan2001> i guess its over...
[2016-08-20 16:59:13] <SBCA> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:59:13] <MightyMorphinJon> Definietly yes.
[2016-08-20 16:59:15] <TrevorOntario719> yes
[2016-08-20 16:59:15] <SpongeFreddy777> yes @AMK
[2016-08-20 16:59:16] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:59:17] <Depth_Strider_10> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:59:17] <Cans48> No
[2016-08-20 16:59:18] <FlyingDutchmen> yes!
[2016-08-20 16:59:19] <MightyMorphinJon> definitely 
[2016-08-20 16:59:20] <Mb13566> sure
[2016-08-20 16:59:20] <AMK152> Excellent.
[2016-08-20 16:59:22] <SonicTheEpic> Neutral
[2016-08-20 16:59:22] <Jordan2001> yes
[2016-08-20 16:59:24] <ZeoSpark> Yeah.
[2016-08-20 16:59:25] <Spongebob456> Yes
[2016-08-20 16:59:32] <SpongeFreddy777> all crats say yes
[2016-08-20 16:59:32] <AMK152> next question
[2016-08-20 16:59:43] <Mb13566> guys 
[2016-08-20 16:59:43] <Nicko756> Yes.
[2016-08-20 16:59:54] <AustinD-3> YEP
[2016-08-20 16:59:58] <Depth_Strider_10> Yeah
[2016-08-20 16:59:59] <Cans48> what question?
[2016-08-20 17:00:02] <Cans48> wait I didn't get it.
[2016-08-20 17:00:03] <Mb13566> i think all trolls should get banned 
[2016-08-20 17:00:03] <TrevorOntario719> go on
[2016-08-20 17:00:11] <Cans48> what question was it?
[2016-08-20 17:00:11] <AMK152> 10. Should admin and bureaucrat requests require a 2 step process, concerns (5 days) and voting stage (7 days)?
[2016-08-20 17:00:12] <Mb13566> okay 
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[2016-08-20 17:00:14] <Jordan2001> i think spoilers should be banned
[2016-08-20 17:00:15] <Cans48> no
[2016-08-20 17:00:16] <AustinD-3> yes
[2016-08-20 17:00:16] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-08-20 17:00:17] <Squiddleward> no
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[2016-08-20 17:00:18] <MightyMorphinJon> no
[2016-08-20 17:00:19] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> No 
[2016-08-20 17:00:19] <Jordan2001> no
[2016-08-20 17:00:19] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> That was discussed an hour ago. @Mb
[2016-08-20 17:00:20] <FlyingDutchmen> no
[2016-08-20 17:00:20] <TrevorOntario719> no
[2016-08-20 17:00:20] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> No.
[2016-08-20 17:00:20] <SonicTheEpic> no
[2016-08-20 17:00:21] <SBCA> No
[2016-08-20 17:00:22] <Mb13566> no right away 
[2016-08-20 17:00:23] <SpongeFreddy777> no
[2016-08-20 17:00:34] <Mb13566> oh i wasnt here
[2016-08-20 17:00:34] <AMK152> ok STOP
[2016-08-20 17:00:38] <ZeoSpark> Not really. Crats maybe since it's a bigger position.
[2016-08-20 17:00:39] <SBCA> kk
[2016-08-20 17:00:43] <Mb13566> idk
[2016-08-20 17:00:51] <Cans48> No majority
[2016-08-20 17:00:51] <AMK152> 11. Should we lower the number of days for each stage? Or no 2-stage process?
[2016-08-20 17:00:57] <TrevorOntario719> lower the number
[2016-08-20 17:00:58] <Jordan2001> yes
[2016-08-20 17:00:58] <SpongeFreddy777> no 2 stage
[2016-08-20 17:00:58] <Mb13566> chat cons over.
[2016-08-20 17:00:59] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 17:00:59] <Nicko756> Lower
[2016-08-20 17:01:01] <SBCA> Lower
[2016-08-20 17:01:01] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Neutral.
[2016-08-20 17:01:02] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Lower
[2016-08-20 17:01:03] <Squiddleward> lower
[2016-08-20 17:01:03] <FlyingDutchmen> lower
[2016-08-20 17:01:04] <MightyMorphinJon> Lower 
[2016-08-20 17:01:06] <Jordan2001> lower
[2016-08-20 17:01:06] <Mb13566> lower
[2016-08-20 17:01:07] <ZeoSpark> Don't agre.
[2016-08-20 17:01:08] <AW10> lower the number
[2016-08-20 17:01:08] <AustinD-3> lower
[2016-08-20 17:01:09] <Cans48> No 2 stage process
[2016-08-20 17:01:09] <Spongebob456> Lower
[2016-08-20 17:01:10] <SonicTheEpic> Idk
[2016-08-20 17:01:10] <ZeoSpark> agree*
[2016-08-20 17:01:24] <Depth_Strider_10> lower
[2016-08-20 17:01:24] <AMK152> ok STOP
[2016-08-20 17:01:24] <Mb13566> yes 
[2016-08-20 17:01:28] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> No 2 stage
[2016-08-20 17:01:34] <Spongebob456> Also, just putting it here, http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!:Requests_for_adminship/Becasita/1 < example request from the yugioh wiki
[2016-08-20 17:01:35] <AMK152> 11. How about for admins and bureaucrats, 5 days for concerns and 5 days for voting?
[2016-08-20 17:01:37] <ZeoSpark> I mean, if numbers like that get lowered, you might as well not have them at all.
[2016-08-20 17:01:40] <TrevorOntario719> no
[2016-08-20 17:01:42] <Cans48> No.two stage.
[2016-08-20 17:01:43] <Mb13566> no 
[2016-08-20 17:01:44] <SBCA> No
[2016-08-20 17:01:45] <FlyingDutchmen> no
[2016-08-20 17:01:45] <Jordan2001> no
[2016-08-20 17:01:46] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> no
[2016-08-20 17:01:47] <Spongebob456> No two stage
[2016-08-20 17:01:47] <MightyMorphinJon> no
[2016-08-20 17:01:49] <SonicTheEpic> no
[2016-08-20 17:01:49] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Neutral.
[2016-08-20 17:01:51] <Depth_Strider_10> No
[2016-08-20 17:01:52] <AustinD-3> 3 for concerns, 7 for voting
[2016-08-20 17:01:54] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> no two stage
[2016-08-20 17:01:56] <ZeoSpark> Neutral.
[2016-08-20 17:01:57] <Nicko756> No
[2016-08-20 17:01:58] <TrevorOntario719> per Austin
[2016-08-20 17:01:58] <SpongeFreddy777> no
[2016-08-20 17:01:59] <Spongebob456> the second stage is crats having a private discussion 
[2016-08-20 17:02:00] <SBCA> I agree with austin
[2016-08-20 17:02:05] <Mb13566> per austin
[2016-08-20 17:02:05] <AMK152> ok, many were saying lower so I lowered it
[2016-08-20 17:02:05] <Jordan2001> at least 48 hours for concerns
[2016-08-20 17:02:14] <SBCA> ^
[2016-08-20 17:02:16] <SpongeFreddy777> @AMK 3 and 3
[2016-08-20 17:02:19] <Mb13566> yes.
[2016-08-20 17:02:20] <Mb13566> .0
[2016-08-20 17:02:26] <SBCA> 3 and 5-7?
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[2016-08-20 17:02:26] <AMK152> 12. Should we require all requests that a majority of bureaucrats must support in order for it to pass?
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[2016-08-20 17:02:31] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:31] <ZeoSpark> I'm mainly neutral with all of this so...
[2016-08-20 17:02:32] <Cans48> Yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:32] <TrevorOntario719> yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:33] <Mb13566> .yes 
[2016-08-20 17:02:33] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes.
[2016-08-20 17:02:34] <FlyingDutchmen> yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:35] <Jordan2001> yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:35] <SBCA> yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:35] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yes.
[2016-08-20 17:02:36] <Spongebob456> Yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:36] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:41] <SpongeFreddy777> yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:41] <AMK152> excellent
[2016-08-20 17:02:42] <ZeoSpark> Neutral.
[2016-08-20 17:02:43] <Depth_Strider_10> Yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:45] <SonicTheEpic> yes
[2016-08-20 17:02:47] <Nicko756> Neutral.
[2016-08-20 17:02:58] <Mb13566> so many yeses!
[2016-08-20 17:02:58] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-08-20 17:03:07] <SBCA> okay
[2016-08-20 17:03:08] <Cans48> K
[2016-08-20 17:03:08] <ZeoSpark> Mb you have to stay on topic.
[2016-08-20 17:03:16] <TrevorOntario719> per Zeo
[2016-08-20 17:03:16] <AMK152> Anything else to discuss in regards to user rights ,requests, and voting?
[2016-08-20 17:03:18] <Mb13566> .....
[2016-08-20 17:03:23] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes, AMK.
[2016-08-20 17:03:24] <TrevorOntario719> no sir
[2016-08-20 17:03:27] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ye
[2016-08-20 17:03:30] <MightyMorphinJon> You know the new Moderator right?
[2016-08-20 17:03:30] <Mb13566> not for me no
[2016-08-20 17:03:30] <AMK152> Yes, Jon?
[2016-08-20 17:03:31] <Cans48> not from me.
[2016-08-20 17:03:32] <SBCA> Continue AOTM?
[2016-08-20 17:03:33] <Spongebob456> Crats are appointed to lead the direction of the wiki. They need a final say imo
[2016-08-20 17:03:41] <MightyMorphinJon> People see Moderator as a short of chat moderator.
[2016-08-20 17:03:43] <SBCA> Like pass the highest current article?
[2016-08-20 17:03:45] <Cans48> Well no @sb456
[2016-08-20 17:03:46] <MightyMorphinJon> I think we should rename the right.
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[2016-08-20 17:03:52] <SonicTheEpic> Okay it's 1:03, shouldn't we end thus?
[2016-08-20 17:03:52] <Squiddleward> suggestions?
[2016-08-20 17:03:55] <Cans48> The commty decids.
[2016-08-20 17:04:01] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> In the policy it says something about a chat report with a red link on it
[2016-08-20 17:04:02] <AMK152> what is your idea to rename it?
[2016-08-20 17:04:06] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> what is it
[2016-08-20 17:04:08] <TrevorOntario719> per Adam. I'm getting a little sleepy.
[2016-08-20 17:04:12] <SpongeFreddy777> thread mod
[2016-08-20 17:04:14] <SonicTheEpic> Is this over?
[2016-08-20 17:04:17] <MightyMorphinJon> Social Moderator, AMK.
[2016-08-20 17:04:17] <AMK152> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 17:04:17] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> AMK152: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~206 to log page).
[2016-08-20 17:04:18] <SBCA> it's 1am where i'm from
[2016-08-20 17:04:20] <TrevorOntario719> I agree with Jersey
[2016-08-20 17:04:22] <ZeoSpark> Thread mod...?
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[2016-08-20 17:04:28] <MightyMorphinJon> They both moderate chat and threads.
[2016-08-20 17:04:28] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> It's 1am here too.
[2016-08-20 17:04:30] <Cans48> ?!
[2016-08-20 17:04:30] <SBCA> Yup
[2016-08-20 17:04:31] <MightyMorphinJon> Those are two social thing.
[2016-08-20 17:04:34] <Depth_Strider_10> Same time as SBCA.
[2016-08-20 17:04:34] <Cans48> Sure
[2016-08-20 17:04:37] <SpongeFreddy777> actually social mod
[2016-08-20 17:04:43] <Jordan2001> yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:44] <Jordan2001> yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:44] <AMK152> 13. Rename Moderator to Social Moderator, yes or no?
[2016-08-20 17:04:44] <Cans48> Social mod
[2016-08-20 17:04:44] <Mb13566> k
[2016-08-20 17:04:47] <TrevorOntario719> yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:48] <Cans48> Yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:49] <MightyMorphinJon> Yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:49] <Depth_Strider_10> Yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:51] <FlyingDutchmen> yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:51] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> the Chat report in the policy, has a red link, never been used we should take it out
[2016-08-20 17:04:51] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:52] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> No.
[2016-08-20 17:04:52] <Jordan2001> yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:52] <AW10> yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:55] <Mb13566> yes
[2016-08-20 17:04:57] <ZeoSpark> Sounds odd but eh...
[2016-08-20 17:05:04] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-08-20 17:05:07] <Dejavukitkat13> Yes
[2016-08-20 17:05:13] <ZeoSpark> That's a yes btw.
[2016-08-20 17:05:13] <AMK152> OneFoot: that is being addressed in one of the discussions
[2016-08-20 17:05:18] <SBCA> YES
[2016-08-20 17:05:22] <SBCA> sorry for caps
[2016-08-20 17:05:24] <Nicko756> Neutral.
[2016-08-20 17:05:25] <AMK152> ok, last thing is discussions (non-requests)
[2016-08-20 17:05:25] <Cans48> Any more questions
[2016-08-20 17:05:26] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Oh, really ok
[2016-08-20 17:05:27] <Spongebob456> Cans: I agree with that and the community gets 99.9% of the stay. But crats are appointed for a reason - to facilitate a wiki's growth. They need a final say. The community has the largest say and crats are part of that
[2016-08-20 17:05:32] <Mb13566> okay 
[2016-08-20 17:05:39] <Spongebob456> help facilitate*
[2016-08-20 17:05:39] <AMK152> oh wait!
[2016-08-20 17:05:42] <Mb13566> laggy chat 
[2016-08-20 17:05:43] <Cans48> I still have to o with the community
[2016-08-20 17:05:44] <ZeoSpark> ?
[2016-08-20 17:05:56] <Mb13566> okay
[2016-08-20 17:05:56] <AMK152> 14. Should we raise the passing requirement for requests from 70% to 75%?
[2016-08-20 17:05:59] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-08-20 17:06:02] <Spongebob456> Cans: I agree
[2016-08-20 17:06:02] <Cans48> uhh...
[2016-08-20 17:06:03] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> No
[2016-08-20 17:06:04] <TrevorOntario719> No
[2016-08-20 17:06:04] <SonicTheEpic> no
[2016-08-20 17:06:04] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> No.
[2016-08-20 17:06:05] <SpongeFreddy777> No
[2016-08-20 17:06:05] <Cans48> No
[2016-08-20 17:06:05] <Jordan2001> no
[2016-08-20 17:06:06] <FlyingDutchmen> no.
[2016-08-20 17:06:06] <Depth_Strider_10> No
[2016-08-20 17:06:06] <ZeoSpark> 70% is good.
[2016-08-20 17:06:07] <MightyMorphinJon> AMK, also how about badges?
[2016-08-20 17:06:08] <Mb13566> no
[2016-08-20 17:06:09] <Squiddleward> no
[2016-08-20 17:06:10] <Spongebob456> No
[2016-08-20 17:06:10] <Dejavukitkat13> No
[2016-08-20 17:06:13] <MightyMorphinJon> No
[2016-08-20 17:06:13] <AMK152> ok
[2016-08-20 17:06:14] <SonicTheEpic> lower 70%
[2016-08-20 17:06:18] <Nicko756> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 17:06:18] <SBCA> no
[2016-08-20 17:06:18] <AMK152> badges are for another day
[2016-08-20 17:06:18] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~73 to log page).
[2016-08-20 17:06:23] <Mb13566> lower 
[2016-08-20 17:06:23] <SpongeFreddy777> Adam no way
[2016-08-20 17:06:32] <ZeoSpark> That's not a good idea.
[2016-08-20 17:06:33] <AMK152> last thing is discussions
[2016-08-20 17:06:33] <Cans48> I would say 50% actually
[2016-08-20 17:06:36] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> good start for the day
[2016-08-20 17:06:37] <MightyMorphinJon> 70% is perfect 
[2016-08-20 17:06:39] <Cans48> Majority rules
[2016-08-20 17:06:42] <MightyMorphinJon> it's in the middle 
[2016-08-20 17:06:43] <Cans48> but 70% is fine
[2016-08-20 17:06:48] <Jordan2001> give the conserns for discussions 3 days
[2016-08-20 17:06:49] <Mb13566> i would say 65%
[2016-08-20 17:06:49] <Cans48> well jon 51%
[2016-08-20 17:06:49] <TrevorOntario719> stop guys, thats enough
[2016-08-20 17:06:49] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> 65-70% I see as fine.
[2016-08-20 17:06:51] <FlyingDutchmen> what about badges?
[2016-08-20 17:06:54] <Mb13566> maybe 60%
[2016-08-20 17:06:55] <ZeoSpark> It used to be 50% but nah.
[2016-08-20 17:06:56] <SonicTheEpic> I like 65%
[2016-08-20 17:07:00] <Squiddleward> badges are for another convention
[2016-08-20 17:07:01] <Jordan2001> give the conserns for discussions 3 days
[2016-08-20 17:07:02] <Mb13566> for another day 
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[2016-08-20 17:07:04] <Cans48> 65% is also good.
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[2016-08-20 17:07:05] <ZeoSpark> No. 70% is good as is.
[2016-08-20 17:07:07] <FlyingDutchmen> ok
[2016-08-20 17:07:14] <SpongeFreddy777> 70
[2016-08-20 17:07:14] <Spongebob456> 70
[2016-08-20 17:07:14] <ZeoSpark> 65% is such an odd number.
[2016-08-20 17:07:15] <TrevorOntario719> i thought we finished talking about percentages...
[2016-08-20 17:07:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 17:07:26] <Depth_Strider_10> 70% is fine,
[2016-08-20 17:07:28] <Cans48> ok amk whas the question>
[2016-08-20 17:07:29] <Mb13566> what about 60%
[2016-08-20 17:07:35] <SonicTheEpic> too low
[2016-08-20 17:07:36] <Cans48> 70% is decided mb
[2016-08-20 17:07:38] <SBCA> okay na ung 70
[2016-08-20 17:07:40] <ZeoSpark> Moving on from that.
[2016-08-20 17:07:45] <MightyMorphinJon> 70 is perfect
[2016-08-20 17:07:46] <TrevorOntario719> its 70. Please stop.
[2016-08-20 17:07:49] <Nicko756> We're done talking about percentages.
[2016-08-20 17:07:51] <ZeoSpark> Moving on.
[2016-08-20 17:07:53] <MightyMorphinJon> I suppose that's it?
[2016-08-20 17:07:59] <Cans48> AMK, is this a long question?
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[2016-08-20 17:08:03] <Spongebob456> Just to say: Not saying crats take priority over the community at all, but they evaluate requests before passing them to avoid friend voting etc.
[2016-08-20 17:08:04] <GeorgeBushJr> Is it over yet?
[2016-08-20 17:08:04] <TrevorOntario719> AMK?
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[2016-08-20 17:08:08] <MightyMorphinJon> Or are we still organizing votes?
[2016-08-20 17:08:08] <Cans48> No.
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[2016-08-20 17:08:11] <TrevorOntario719> almost George
[2016-08-20 17:08:12] <Jordan2001> no
[2016-08-20 17:08:15] <Nicko756> Almost.
[2016-08-20 17:08:16] <Jordan2001> almost
[2016-08-20 17:08:17] <Cans48> AMK is making a question
[2016-08-20 17:08:21] <GeorgeBushJr> damn ok see you soon
[2016-08-20 17:08:26] <SpongeFreddy777> !updatelogs
[2016-08-20 17:08:26] <Cans48> Ok.
[2016-08-20 17:08:26] <TrevorOntario719> Andrew?
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[2016-08-20 17:08:27] <Mb13566> omg
[2016-08-20 17:08:31] <Nicko756> AMK usually posts a summary at the end.
[2016-08-20 17:08:32] <AMK152> lag
[2016-08-20 17:08:33] <AMK152> What would you we need to change about discussions?
[2016-08-20 17:08:40] <Mb13566> hmmm
[2016-08-20 17:08:40] <Jordan2001> days for concerns
[2016-08-20 17:08:43] <Cans48> I would say nothing.
[2016-08-20 17:08:44] <Spongebob456> mainly time tbh
[2016-08-20 17:08:46] <TrevorOntario719> nothing
[2016-08-20 17:08:47] <Cans48> They are fine
[2016-08-20 17:08:48] <Nicko756> There's too many.
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[2016-08-20 17:08:53] <Cans48> More discussion
[2016-08-20 17:08:54] <Depth_Strider_10> Nothing
[2016-08-20 17:08:56] <Mb13566> time
[2016-08-20 17:08:58] <Cans48> mean more problems fixed nicko
[2016-08-20 17:08:59] <MightyMorphinJon> But also there should be a limit of discussions.
[2016-08-20 17:09:01] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> No discussions for a little things 
[2016-08-20 17:09:03] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 17:09:06] <Jordan2001> what are the maximum days for concerns anyway
[2016-08-20 17:09:06] <Cans48> Yes actually
[2016-08-20 17:09:07] <ZeoSpark> I agree with Jon
[2016-08-20 17:09:10] <Cans48> @brick
[2016-08-20 17:09:11] <MightyMorphinJon> We have 16 discussions right now.
[2016-08-20 17:09:13] <AMK152> 1. Time 2. Amount. 3. Discussions in regards to little things
[2016-08-20 17:09:20] <AMK152> What about time?
[2016-08-20 17:09:25] <Jordan2001> two
[2016-08-20 17:09:25] <Cans48> It's fin
[2016-08-20 17:09:28] <Cans48> *fine
[2016-08-20 17:09:28] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Five days 
[2016-08-20 17:09:28] <ZeoSpark> There are so much discussions now it's hard to keep up with all of them.
[2016-08-20 17:09:28] <TrevorOntario719> concerns should be shortened
[2016-08-20 17:09:29] <Jordan2001> two days
[2016-08-20 17:09:30] <SBCA> make concerns shorter
[2016-08-20 17:09:31] <Mb13566> mayeb 
[2016-08-20 17:09:36] <SpongeFreddy777> per sbca
[2016-08-20 17:09:37] <Mb13566> how long 
[2016-08-20 17:09:43] <AW10> how about queue for discussions I suggested
[2016-08-20 17:09:44] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> How long is it now?
[2016-08-20 17:09:46] <Spongebob456> actually, thinking about it, I like them as they are.
[2016-08-20 17:09:46] <Cans48> Enforce the no concerns close three days rule
[2016-08-20 17:09:46] <Jordan2001> concerns at least a week insteak of 10 days
[2016-08-20 17:09:52] <AW10> N discussions being processed at once
[2016-08-20 17:09:53] <SonicTheEpic> Okay I need to go
[2016-08-20 17:09:56] <Cans48> Ok
[2016-08-20 17:10:00] <AW10> all others goes to queue
[2016-08-20 17:10:03] <SBCA> Bye Sonic
[2016-08-20 17:10:04] <TrevorOntario719> Concerns should close in 5 days
[2016-08-20 17:10:08] <Nicko756> 5 days for concerns, 5 days for voting.
[2016-08-20 17:10:10] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-08-20 17:10:13] <MightyMorphinJon> 5 and 5.
[2016-08-20 17:10:14] <Jordan2001> seven days or less
[2016-08-20 17:10:14] <TrevorOntario719> Per Nicko
[2016-08-20 17:10:14] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Yeah, 5 days.
[2016-08-20 17:10:16] <Spongebob456> a week for each?
[2016-08-20 17:10:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Like I said 
[2016-08-20 17:10:18] <MightyMorphinJon> per Nicko.
[2016-08-20 17:10:21] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 5 days
[2016-08-20 17:10:22] <AMK152> I think the amount and the little things can address each other
[2016-08-20 17:10:23] <ZeoSpark> 10 days does seem a bit much.
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[2016-08-20 17:10:24] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Agreed with Nicko.
[2016-08-20 17:10:25] <Cans48> Fine how they are
[2016-08-20 17:10:33] <SBCA> Too long
[2016-08-20 17:10:33] <AMK152> Should we change it to 7 days / 7 days?
[2016-08-20 17:10:34] <Jordan2001> per zeo
[2016-08-20 17:10:37] <TrevorOntario719> no
[2016-08-20 17:10:38] <Cans48> No.
[2016-08-20 17:10:38] <Jordan2001> no
[2016-08-20 17:10:39] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> no
[2016-08-20 17:10:39] <Jordan2001> 5
[2016-08-20 17:10:40] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> No.
[2016-08-20 17:10:41] <Cans48> way too long
[2016-08-20 17:10:41] <SBCA> No
[2016-08-20 17:10:42] <AW10> 5, 7
[2016-08-20 17:10:43] <AMK152> instead of 10 days / 10 days ?
[2016-08-20 17:10:43] <MightyMorphinJon> Not exactly a week, no.
[2016-08-20 17:10:44] <SBCA> Shorten it
[2016-08-20 17:10:45] <Mb13566> 5 
[2016-08-20 17:10:46] <ZeoSpark> A week sounds good though.
[2016-08-20 17:10:49] <TrevorOntario719> 5/5
[2016-08-20 17:10:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 5
[2016-08-20 17:10:51] <Cans48> shorten it .
[2016-08-20 17:10:51] <Jordan2001> 5
[2016-08-20 17:10:52] <SBCA> 5/5
[2016-08-20 17:10:54] <ZeoSpark> 5 is a bit short.
[2016-08-20 17:10:54] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-08-20 17:10:54] <Cans48> 5/5
[2016-08-20 17:11:02] <AMK152> 16. How long should the concerns stage last?
[2016-08-20 17:11:06] <TrevorOntario719> 5 days
[2016-08-20 17:11:06] <Jordan2001> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:06] <ZeoSpark> 5 on concerns
[2016-08-20 17:11:07] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:07] <Cans48> 5 dyas
[2016-08-20 17:11:07] <Nicko756> 5 days
[2016-08-20 17:11:08] <Spongebob456> 7
[2016-08-20 17:11:08] <MightyMorphinJon> 5 days
[2016-08-20 17:11:08] <Depth_Strider_10> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:10] <FlyingDutchmen> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:10] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> 5 days.
[2016-08-20 17:11:13] <SpongeFreddy777> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:13] <SBCA> 4
[2016-08-20 17:11:16] <Mb13566> 6 day s
[2016-08-20 17:11:19] <Jordan2001> seven days or less!
[2016-08-20 17:11:27] <SBCA> per Jordan
[2016-08-20 17:11:28] <SpongeFreddy777> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:32] <MightyMorphinJon> there's no point of a extra day
[2016-08-20 17:11:32] <AMK152> 17. How long should the voting stage last?
[2016-08-20 17:11:35] <Cans48> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:36] <TrevorOntario719> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:37] <Spongebob456> 7
[2016-08-20 17:11:37] <MightyMorphinJon> 5 days
[2016-08-20 17:11:39] <Depth_Strider_10> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:39] <Jordan2001> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:39] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> 5 days.
[2016-08-20 17:11:39] <FlyingDutchmen> 7
[2016-08-20 17:11:41] <SBCA> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:43] <Cans48> actually 7
[2016-08-20 17:11:44] <MightyMorphinJon> 5 and 5.
[2016-08-20 17:11:47] <Nicko756> 5 days
[2016-08-20 17:11:49] <Jordan2001> seven days or less!
[2016-08-20 17:11:49] <ZeoSpark> A week for the actual discussion since that's the voting part and it should take a little longer. There could be no concerns so it doesn't make sense to keep it longer.
[2016-08-20 17:11:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 5
[2016-08-20 17:11:51] <Depth_Strider_10> Per Jon
[2016-08-20 17:11:58] <FlyingDutchmen> per zeo
[2016-08-20 17:12:03] <Mb13566> okay so 
[2016-08-20 17:12:04] <AMK152> interesting, okay.
[2016-08-20 17:12:04] <TrevorOntario719> per zeo
[2016-08-20 17:12:13] <AMK152> Zeo, I have a discussion open that will address that
[2016-08-20 17:12:16] <Jordan2001> disagree
[2016-08-20 17:12:19] <ZeoSpark> Oh. Okay.
[2016-08-20 17:12:26] <Mb13566> con went- ingo overtime and i have to go soon
[2016-08-20 17:12:31] <Cans48> !updated
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[2016-08-20 17:12:38] <SpongeFreddy777> !updatelogs
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[2016-08-20 17:12:41] <ZeoSpark> I had an idea.
[2016-08-20 17:12:45] <TrevorOntario719> yes?
[2016-08-20 17:12:47] <Cans48> yes?
[2016-08-20 17:12:52] <SBCA> Guys, I need to leave soon it's 1:12 AM
[2016-08-20 17:12:53] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Do share.
[2016-08-20 17:12:55] <ZeoSpark> If there are no concerns in 3 days, it can be moved to voting.
[2016-08-20 17:12:55] <Depth_Strider_10> Yes?
[2016-08-20 17:13:04] <Cans48> Zeo
[2016-08-20 17:13:04] <Mb13566> vhr
[2016-08-20 17:13:04] <Cans48> that is already a rule
[2016-08-20 17:13:05] <TrevorOntario719> Per Luis. I'm sleepy.
[2016-08-20 17:13:06] <Jordan2001> yes
[2016-08-20 17:13:07] <MightyMorphinJon> yeah i agree 
[2016-08-20 17:13:08] <SBCA> Yes
[2016-08-20 17:13:10] <Mb13566> *bye
[2016-08-20 17:13:11] <Cans48> That is a rule.
[2016-08-20 17:13:13] <SpongeFreddy777> yes
[2016-08-20 17:13:17] <Cans48> Nobody enforces it.
[2016-08-20 17:13:20] <Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls> Agreed with Zeo.
[2016-08-20 17:13:24] <Jordan2001> should we begin wrapping this up?
[2016-08-20 17:13:29] <Cans48> Well I agree since it already exists
[2016-08-20 17:13:30] <Mb13566> true tho
[2016-08-20 17:13:32] <AMK152> Any other thoughts on discussions, we will discuss more later?
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[2016-08-20 17:13:39] <Mb13566> nope.
[2016-08-20 17:13:39] <SpongeFreddy777> later
[2016-08-20 17:13:41] <TrevorOntario719> nope
[2016-08-20 17:13:42] <Cans48> I think we are fine.
[2016-08-20 17:13:42] <Jordan2001> nope thats it for me
[2016-08-20 17:13:43] <AMK152> Motion to adjourn?
[2016-08-20 17:13:47] <Cans48> Ay
[2016-08-20 17:13:49] <Jordan2001> nope
[2016-08-20 17:13:53] <AMK152> We are adjourned, 1:13 PM.