120784-is-carbine-doing-it-again

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Is Carbine again starting to promote Drop#4 like they did the gamelease ? Nothing ?
 
Outside of Fansites you hear/read nothing about Wildstar, or about what they are going to change.
 
There are no Wildstar Twitch streams where they show what is planed .....
 
 
Instead we get this pretty useless "Level to 50 without a clue" Twitch stream..........
 
sorry for that, but i'm very frustrated about the game and what's going on atm after reading var. forumthreads.
 
 	
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My guess is carbine won't be spending any money on ads, rather relying on..,
 
1. Word of mouth from its players
2. unlimited free trial version (with restrictions) 
3. Emails sent to all canceled accounts offering a 1 month free return special	
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Logical question, how can they begin inactivity with PR, when they are already inactive at it?
 
Seriously though.  Drop 4 hasn't been finalized yet, so there's still time.  And perhaps they are working on it, we just wont know until it's out.  The population is good enough to do whatever it is you want to do in the game, so just enjoy it (assuming you do).  I would compare Wildstar to Tera in this regard.  It started big, dropped dramatically, and slowly is building itself back up.  And now it is a pretty stable game.  I believe Wildstar has just gotten past their initial exodus, which every game that comes out experiences, and will slowly build up.	
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The population is good enough to do whatever it is you want to do in the game, so just enjoy it (assuming you do).  
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Is Carbine again starting to promote Drop#4 like they did the gamelease ? Nothing ?
 
Outside of Fansites you hear/read nothing about Wildstar, or about what they are going to change.
 
There are no Wildstar Twitch streams where they show what is planed .....
 
 
Instead we get this pretty useless "Level to 50 without a clue" Twitch stream..........
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I have a level 50 character struggling to earn the Prestige required to buy entry-level endgame PvP gear who cordially disagrees with this statement.
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The next drop has always been planned for Q1 and during Zero to Fifty this week I announced things are still on track even though I couldn't announce a date publicly yet. I understand your frustration, but I assure you that you will begin to see things in the very near future. 
 
 
 
PS. I think you're right, Zero to Fifty needs more Clue ;)
 
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Is Carbine again starting to promote Drop#4 like they did the gamelease ? Nothing ?
 
Outside of Fansites you hear/read nothing about Wildstar, or about what they are going to change.
 
There are no Wildstar Twitch streams where they show what is planed .....
 
 
Instead we get this pretty useless "Level to 50 without a clue" Twitch stream..........
 
sorry for that, but i'm very frustrated about the game and what's going on atm after reading var. forumthreads.
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i dont think their staff is big enough for patch updates, drops, ptr fixes , population (pvp) declines, let alone promoting their game see fit...just let it be.
 
enjoy the game while u can.	
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I wouldn't go on an advertise spree until PvP is fixed (as was already mentioned). My personal plan, if I had any choice in the matter at all, would be to get drop 4 out and then do everything I could to fix pvp features and qol in drop 5. Then with drop 5 you announce an unlimited free trial up till level 20-25 (2 character slots). You take that free trial and you put it in so many places that people they can't avoid it.
 
But, like I said, that's just my thoughts.	
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I wouldn't go on an advertise spree until PvP is fixed (as was already mentioned). My personal plan, if I had any choice in the matter at all, would be to get drop 4 out and then do everything I could to fix pvp features and qol in drop 5. Then with drop 5 you announce an unlimited free trial up till level 20-25 (2 character slots). You take that free trial and you put it in so many places that people they can't avoid it.
 
But, like I said, that's just my thoughts.
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Here's hoping.  They could probably do with some kind of massive PVP fix.  When did they say the Warplot numbers adjustments were coming in?
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Right now, though, I think they know they are growing, very slowly, from word-of-mouth.
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 According to http://www.kdbdw.com/bbs/download/192028.pdf?attachmentId=192028, they are shrinking, and not slowly. Earnings have been down by more than half between Q3 and Q4. Projected earnings are a slow decrease.
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Maybe we can start with cutting things like Zero to Fifty.  <100 twitch viewers for 1 hour to give away a plush doll and jump around in circles?  Better of just running events like a costume contest or housing contest, once a week.
 
Maybe 15 minutes time segments of actual quality development information, 15 minutes of spotlight on Raid Accomplishments / PvP rankings, 15 minutes guest speaker lead talking about the progress of their big project they're working on, and then 15 minutes to fill things like community interaction / player stream promotion and giveaways such as (giant fluffy teddy bear mount to ride around in Illium / Thayd to one lucky stream viewer)
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The nexus report used to bring in a lot more viewers because the potential for information existed.  It was really sad when it went away, even though by and large the information on those reports was generally not that ground breaking.  Currently Wildstar hype is at an all time low, so I haven't the slightest idea why the marketing folks aren't begging for the return of at least a truncated version of that nexus report.
 
Let me put to you this way.  15 minutes of quality information on what the development team has been working on the past week, previews of some new item skins, previews of new housing items, previews of new skill changes, previews of the new bosses (even the ones accessible on PTR), and on and on.  Holding back information to do a giant drop 4 blast of info isn't going to work.  It didn't work with drop 3, and it won't work with drop 5.
 
That would give a nice weekly broadcast of information people were excited to watch, and maybe find out something cool coming in the future.  The fear that you are going to create displeasure becaue of the possibility you show X and it comes out in live as Y is a far lower risk than people just not bothering to even check the forums or stream anymore. 	
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Maybe we can start with cutting things like Zero to Fifty.  <100 twitch viewers for 1 hour to give away a plush doll and jump around in circles?  Better of just running events like a costume contest or housing contest, once a week.
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Just kind of hitching off of this and throwing out an idea for promotion stuff...
 
Could have a monthly/weekly give away to people that submit fanart/fanfiction of aesthetic item codes. Just my own experience and is more prominent now that on networks such as DA, Tumblr, etc when an artist or writer puts fanart up it generates some interest for people. This seemed to help encourage people to do this form of promotion in Warhammer when they'd give skaven skin cloaks(which turned you into a skaven and it looked badass on a zealot) to artists and writers featured in their newsletters. 
 
I can only speak for myself, but when I put something up I usually get 3-10 questions each time regarding Wildstar so far.
 
 
ANYWAY...
 
Also I can kind of agree with Eclips, I think Zero to Fifty is a nice little community thing, but it really doesn't interest me personally much. I managed to watch a few, but really miss the nexus report more. 
 
I feel like something more along the lines of dev(s) playing on the PTR/inhouse build showing off the changes and experiencing it with players in some cases would be better. I remember the most exciting thing to watch ever was when devs showed off the UI revamp and people went nuts in a good way, but they also didn't promise anything and said it was a work in progress to evade the "BUT YOU SAID X!" issue. The other thing is not everyone who watches those streams from what I've seen actually play on the PTR and aren't aware of all the changes put on them, so streaming that stuff would be great way to let those players see the new stuff coming.
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I've already done two posts on this sort of thing and it really gets me down!
 
Posted*03 January 2015 - 10:56 PMWildstar fading into nothingness?*First let me state this is not some random troll post! I've been here since the three day head-start, and probably be one of the last stirring at my screen if the servers shutdown.*Never in my history of gaming have I come across so much nothingness from a game studio, no PR, no hype, not really any BS....just nothing.It's like they have given up all hope and that feeling is spreading deeper into the community, visit most of the fan-sites and you'll see the same nothingness, can't just blame the holiday period, that just added to it and made it all the more obvious!Many of the player base (myself included) don't want the game to go F2P, but are starting to accept it will because nothing is telling us it won't, it's like they have lost the will to live.If Carbine can deliver drop 4 (it's still if at this stage) they will have the product many also feel they should have had at launch, rushed or forced launch? Who really knows outside Carbine?So come the end of January/February (please don't chuck this out of the door if not ready) we will have in my opinion the best MMO on the market, this itself will not change the future, the outcome will still be the same if Carbine don't shake off that funeral jacket.*A fantastic product, fantastic community....but who will know apart from the nothingness? * *Posted*24 December 2014 - 11:09 AMI've picked up from stream chats over the last few weeks Carbines acknowledgement that they need to support the community more, now more than ever this has become critical!Being honest most know that planet Nexus orbit shifted, it no longer resides in the goldilocks zone, life on Nexus is not dead...but because of the new orbit it's become more susceptible to troll radiation!No matter how unfounded a comment is, if enough people say it then it just becomes accepted, the norm, the podcast stream and YouTube community are fighting an uphill battle, you have a great community, a great product.....now lets see some great support!*Also Carbine really needs to set-up some sort of daily blog giving players constant snips of information, 10 to 20 minutes of your time each day writing a few lines would go a long way, it would feed interest and help players feel they are part of things! It would also give community sites topics of conversation, always remember the golden rule....bad news is better than no news.*Please don't fall into the twitter face book forum trap! Most of the player base will only see information presented to them at the login screen, they will have absolutely no idea about the community events or great websites! Tucking them away in some dark corner of your sites? Hell, after 6 months I'm just finding some of them.Advertising can be costly and company breaking! But your login screen presents you with “FREE” it needs to change, the blog and the community need to be seen front page, you must scout other MMO'S ? Realm Reborn is the perfect example of a great login screen filled with information! I honestly believe it helped turn that game around.Word of mouth is still such a powerful tool.....but you still need the words.
 
Think this line from the new article sums it up http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/01/09/into-the-wildstar/
 
I’ll be honest, I’m expecting a ghost town, but it’s packed. Heaving, even. Players zoom all around me on a variety of impressive mounts, wearing crazy outfits. I’m both impressed and relieved.
 
Say something, I'm giving up on youI'll be the one, if you want me toAnywhere I would've followed youSay something, I'm giving up on youAnd I am feeling so smallIt was over my headI know nothing at allAnd I will stumble and fallI'm still learning to loveJust starting to crawlSay something, I'm giving up on youI'm sorry that I couldn't get to youAnywhere I would've followed youSay something, I'm giving up on youAnd I will swallow my prideYou're the one that I loveAnd I'm saying goodbyeSay something, I'm giving up on youAnd I'm sorry that I couldn't get to youAnd anywhere I would've followed you (Oh-oh-oh-oh)Say something, I'm giving up on youSay something, I'm giving up on youSay something... 
 	
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The next drop has always been planned for Q1 and during Zero to Fifty this week I announced things are still on track even though I couldn't announce a date publicly yet.  I understand your frustration, but I assure you that you will begin to see things in the very near future. 
 
 
 
PS. I think you're right, Zero to Fifty needs more Clue ;)
 
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 According to http://www.kdbdw.com/bbs/download/192028.pdf?attachmentId=192028, they are shrinking, and not slowly. Earnings have been down by more than half between Q3 and Q4. Projected earnings are a slow decrease.
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dont be ridiculous...
its always the same people i see.
in raids and pvp.
the
same.
 
queues dont pop for pvp and pve.
 
its technically dead at the moment.
kept alive as a veggie.
and they only have themselves to blame with terribad pvp, a badly designed endgame for casuals and shows like 0-50 (like im ever going to watch a guy level up...jeez just check those weirdos doing 150 episodes of themselves playing a game with 20 views each).
who the f in his right mind as a marketing person who understand mmo gamers would have made that call?
and this is just one call among many many call they made since the launch of the game.
they also need more "pen&paper" designers, the number cruncher ones.
 
unless a hero can come in this company and change everything in a record time.. (you really think people are going to hop back in wildstar when spring new releases will arrive?)
it is what it is at the moment.
keep your expectactions low.	
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So easy to post negative things....and like your post, this is the thing Carbine have always been bad at dealing with! Wildstar is a beautiful game with teething problems, all MMO's have them, just look back at year 1 vanilla wow....surely the most broken game ever!
What's killing Carbine and maybe the game is the PR machine, it's always set in damage limitation mode.
Start posting all over the place, give the players and those thinking of playing some idea of work in progress, no one is asking for trade secrets or legally binding comments.
 
Stop any in-house fighting and fight for the game, get off your arse and hype hype hype, then chuck out some more hype with some BS for good measure! If you don't think your sat on your PR arse then we are all doomed.
 
Zero to fifty needs to be part of some well oiled PR, nothing wrong with the concept or Tony showing even noobs can play Wildstar! It fails because it's the only link we have to information, meaning we will never see it for what it is....Most will only see it for what it is NOT   	
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Zero to fifty needs to be part of some well oiled PR, nothing wrong with the concept or Tony showing even noobs can play Wildstar! It fails because it's the only link we have to information, meaning we will never see it for what it is....Most will only see it for what it is NOT   
 
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Wildstar is a beautiful game with teething problems, all MMO's have them, just look back at year 1 vanilla wow....surely the most broken game ever!
 
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Stop any in-house fighting and fight for the game, get off your arse and hype hype hype, then chuck out some more hype with some BS for good measure! If you don't think your sat on your PR arse then we are all doomed.
 
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Every time someone mentions that a new MMO has problems of any kind someone else mentions Vanilla WoW. I'd like to point out that was a long time ago and, since then, you'd think the whole MMO genre would have learnt from at least Blizzard's mistakes. Sadly, many players are under the impression that just because Vanilla WoW (or any other MMO) commited certain mistakes, then every other MMO is justified in committing those mistakes all over again. It's the most hilarious thing: people saying that nobody should learn from history.
 
I would also not recommend hyping anything until after we actually see how the community receives Drop 4. Excessive hype has a tendency to backfire because you create expectations that will be never met. 
 
Don't hype Wildstar just yet. It was hyped to heck all the way until the release, and then nobody stayed thanks to that hype. Instead make it a nice and fun title.
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			Personally I hope the free trials (properly made so) will be able to provide a healthy PR boost. Actually, free trials could even bring more people to low level PvP queues as well if allowed..	
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This is the problem with history, it always repeats itself no one ever learns....and the more you forget the more it repeats! And I find it comical some reference wow with the label “first mmo” it made the same mistakes like those before it.
 
And yes I want hype from Carbine about all the great things about the game, I'm sick of all the nothingness and negative vibes all over the internet! Here's what the right sort of hype can do for you, my mother calls a PC or anything that plays a game a playstation  
 
I'll be honest, I'm expecting a ghost town(http://www.rockpaper...o-the-wildstar/ ) this is what the internet and the world thinks they will find, a dead broken game that's not worth playing....Wildstar is sooooooo much better than that! Warts and all....it's the best MMO on the market by far. Another history lesson, being best does not always mean you'll win.	
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			I sent off my officers to Jabbit to re-make the guild and I'm pondering should I discontinue my sub. I already made the move back to Guild Wars 2 and am able to play there with people that I met here. Some of us might come back if the situation gets better. For others it left a bad taste in their mouth. No fix for the population issues, PvP being broken... The staff here are friendlier and take more feedback than those at ArenaNet, but Carbine genuinely looks lost. And with the game in the state that it is, it's not worth paying monthly for. And yet I keep on thinking that maybe if I gave them one more month... And I should stop it. Because I'm spending 9 pounds a month on a product that I essentially can't use. Shame that, but at this point they need something very drastic done soon. And I know that others are not a fan of this, but buy to play > death.	
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I sent off my officers to Jabbit to re-make the guild and I'm pondering should I discontinue my sub. I already made the move back to Guild Wars 2 and am able to play there with people that I met here. Some of us might come back if the situation gets better. For others it left a bad taste in their mouth. 
 
No fix for the population issues, 
PvP being broken... 
 
The staff here are friendlier and take more feedback than those at ArenaNet, but Carbine genuinely looks lost. And with the game in the state that it is, it's not worth paying monthly for. And yet I keep on thinking that maybe if I gave them one more month... And I should stop it. Because I'm spending 9 pounds a month on a product that I essentially can't use. 
 
Shame that, but at this point they need something very drastic done soon. And I know that others are not a fan of this, but buy to play > death.
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