125717-the-future-of-wildstar

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			I've seen its profits compared to the likes of guild wars 2 and other games, and I just dont see how unless there is a massive surge in subs (unlikely) it can continue being p2p?  I love this game dearly but such a low amount of cash doesnt bode well for its future :( say it aint so....	
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With the content they released for this drop, there's a pretty strong indication that they aren't going F2P or B2P anytime soon.
There's so much they could have reserved and monetized.
 
I'm pretty sure that the CREDD and sub system is going to keep the game P2P for a while.
 
Do us a favor and lets drop the whole F2P/B2P hyping nonsense.
"Game is dying"
"Game doesn't make money"
I see more and people everyday along with old faces and returning.
 
Can we cut this crap out now?	
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With the content they released for this drop, there's a pretty strong indication that they aren't going F2P or B2P anytime soon.
There's so much they could have reserved and monetized.
 
I'm pretty sure that the CREDD and sub system is going to keep the game P2P for a while.
 
Do us a favor and lets drop the whole F2P/B2P hyping nonsense.
"Game is dying"
"Game doesn't make money"
I see more and people everyday along with old faces and returning.
 
Can we cut this crap out now?
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			Its not crap, and you arent going to expand the community by being isolationist...the FACT is it making poop in profits compared to GW2, Aion or lineage is very low and sad for such a great game.	
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Its not crap, and you arent going to expand the community by being isolationist...the FACT is it making poop in profits compared to GW2, Aion or lineage is very low and sad for such a great game.
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And you're still here......why?
Really, if you don't like the game, don't play it, but don't bring your doom and gloom here.
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Its not crap, and you arent going to expand the community by being isolationist...the FACT is it making poop in profits compared to GW2, Aion or lineage is very low and sad for such a great game.
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Because he like the game and maybe care about it succeeding so he can play it in the future as well?'
 
If he didn't care why would he even post here and try to make a discussing?
 
As for drop 5, most things in there are actually things you can easily monetize the new costume system would work great with costumes you can buy from the store together with some dye packs for example.
Pets as well, I'm sure they will do very well in a cash-shop along with some special mounts. Then there is the whole housing you can put some cash items in.
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If he didn't care why would he even post here and try to make a discussing?
 
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Trolling. It's the Internet, apparently it's cool to hate on things.
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Hey guys, 
 
No need for personal insults, the discussion isn't about the person who posted, please. I know people get upset about some of the posts that come up but we do ask that you please remain constructive in the discussion and on topic. 
 
Thank you.
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It's a valid post, and the numbers speak for themselves. I haven't seen Q1 2015 myself, but what reasons do you have to expect it to change from last year's somewhat compared to other NC Soft MMOs? Nada.
 
Other than that, no point in this thread as devs will clearly not discuss it publicly (probably out of their reach anyway, I'd expect NC to be steering that wheel - which isn't so bad as they can divert resources to WS from other, profitable projects. God only knows their reasons for doing it, though :D).0	
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Its not crap, and you arent going to expand the community by being isolationist...the FACT is it making poop in profits compared to GW2, Aion or lineage is very low and sad for such a great game.
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It's a valid post, and the numbers speak for themselves. I haven't seen Q1 2015 myself, but what reasons do you have to expect it to change from last year's somewhat compared to other NC Soft MMOs? Nada.
 
Other than that, no point in this thread as devs will clearly not discuss it publicly (probably out of their reach anyway, I'd expect NC to be steering that wheel - which isn't so bad as they can divert resources to WS from other, profitable projects. God only knows their reasons for doing it, though :D).0
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You think trolls still care about wildstar even now?
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People still hate on Justin bieber and nickleback.
 
And I am sorry, I shouldn't directly insult my apologises <3
 
Regarding Q1 financial reports, they have not been released. The game has expaneded since Q4 by large margin (not opinion, fact just see how active the game is). As Oliviar has pointed out, a game doesn't need millions and millions to be successful, just because WoW has it and another game doesn't, does not make it a failure. Cod out sold Wolfenstien by a large margin, but it didn't make Wolfenstien a failure.
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See wildshots, i hear what you're sayin' and i'mma let you finish...but Wildstar has the besst p2p model of all time. Plain and simple.. Wildstar will -never- go F2P there's no need for it, if they put in some cash shop items such as costumes, gear, etc etc it -WILL- be able to use C.R.E.D.D as a currency. Using most F2P game as a standard here, there's a number of things to keep in mind. F2P games always retain an  "Optional" P2P  gaming method that gives  EXP/Currency/etc for the month. These are things the game currently offers for all players, I.E guild perks, Character customization dyes, etc.  F2P often suffers the likelihood of "Pay to win" this was a case proven in several other MMO's a prime example being  SW:ToR  where you ahve to pay for action bars, either with a subscription or RL money. Which is ridiculous. If you are really worried about Wildstar surviving and Makeing money, think of ways to -expand- C.R.E.D.D and draw in new players. I.E C.R.E.D.D exchange Faction change token.C.R.E.D.D Exchange Path reroll Tokenetc.
 	
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Point in case, look at the comments on websites and facebook when something is announced by Carbine.
People are spending more time whining about F2P on those articles then actually reading the article and trying out the changes.
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			I have seen credd go from 14 plat up to near 18 in a matter of days.  People are buying it up.  Pop is increasing.	
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I haven't seen Q1 2015 myself, but what reasons do you have to expect it to change from last year's
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I have seen credd go from 14 plat up to near 18 in a matter of days. People are buying it up. Pop is increasing.
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Its not crap, and you arent going to expand the community by being isolationist...the FACT is it making poop in profits compared to GW2, Aion or lineage is very low and sad for such a great game.
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I remember ESO players getting extremely defensive when buy to play rumors started. I would be on the forums and read them quite often. They were in denial and would make up facts to prove to others going on the evidence that it would indeed retain the subscription model. When players love a game they will defend it to the death. I respect that passion but anyone with such an emotional attachment is blinded. Honestly, it's like when your mother says you are the most handsome boy in the world. Only someone living in a dream world believes that is 100% true.
 
This game is going buy to play or free to play (the later more likely). If you don't think this will happen? I'll bet anyone on these forums 5,000 us dollars. No, I am not joking. I have some information like I did with ESO (also was called a liar and flamed off the ESO forums). There is no doubt about it. But how is this a negative? Don't think of it as bad. There is a great chance for a comeback story here in the same vein as Star Wars the Old Republic. TOR (I don't care if you like the game not the point) dropped from 1.8 million players to a crushing 300k in under 8 months. Even with a bad free to play system offered, they were able to get the player base up to 1 million players. Wildstar can do the very same thing maybe even better.
This is a better product compared to launch and with three million players leaving WoW. There is a good chance they can rope some of them, and new players in. 
It will just take another marketing surge and a relaunch of sorts under the flag of a B2P/F2P system. They have a great chance for success. No negative here fans of Wildstar.
 
Another good example is Marvel Heroes 2015 (my main game). They started off bad. There were many problems and at launch people hated the game. Myself included. A year later they went from worst to one of the best and even got voted most improved MMO, best MMO, and top five free to play MMO. They make good profits and most people enjoy the game. Wildstar could do too.
 
I saw a quick exodus at launch for this game and not a lot of success but now I see something completely different. I see a complete reversal. Another WoW expansion is not due until April of next year. WoD is disappointing to a lot of people who want a "vanilla WoW with modern twist" game. The time to strike is now. 
 
I will personally give someone one of my two Titan X's if this game does not go free to play or buy to play. Not need to be emotional. No reason to defend against this, it will be great for the game.	
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I remember ESO players getting extremely defensive when buy to play rumors started. I would be on the forums and read them quite often. They were in denial and would make up facts to prove to others going on the evidence that it would indeed retain the subscription model. When players love a game they will defend it to the death. I respect that passion but anyone with such an emotional attachment is blinded. Honestly, it's like when your mother says you are the most handsome boy in the world. Only someone living in a dream world believes that is 100% true.
 
This game is going buy to play or free to play (the later more likely). If you don't think this will happen? I'll bet anyone on these forums 5,000 us dollars. No, I am not joking. I have some information like I did with ESO (also was called a liar and flamed off the ESO forums). There is no doubt about it. But how is this a negative? Don't think of it as bad. There is a great chance for a comeback story here in the same vein as Star Wars the Old Republic. TOR (I don't care if you like the game not the point) dropped from 1.8 million players to a crushing 300k in under 8 months. Even with a bad free to play system offered, they were able to get the player base up to 1 million players. Wildstar can do the very same thing maybe even better.
This is a better product compared to launch and with three million players leaving WoW. There is a good chance they can rope some of them, and new players in. 
It will just take another marketing surge and a relaunch of sorts under the flag of a B2P/F2P system. They have a great chance for success. No negative here fans of Wildstar.
 
Another good example is Marvel Heroes 2015 (my main game). They started off bad. There were many problems and at launch people hated the game. Myself included. A year later they went from worst to one of the best and even got voted most improved MMO, best MMO, and top five free to play MMO. They make good profits and most people enjoy the game. Wildstar could do too.
 
I saw a quick exodus at launch for this game and not a lot of success but now I see something completely different. I see a complete reversal. Another WoW expansion is not due until April of next year. WoD is disappointing to a lot of people who want a "vanilla WoW with modern twist" game. The time to strike is now. 
 
I will personally give someone one of my two Titan X's if this game does not go free to play or buy to play. Not need to be emotional. No reason to defend against this, it will be great for the game.
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And you're still here......why?
Really, if you don't like the game, don't play it, but don't bring your doom and gloom here.
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I remember ESO players getting extremely defensive when buy to play rumors started. I would be on the forums and read them quite often. They were in denial and would make up facts to prove to others going on the evidence that it would indeed retain the subscription model. When players love a game they will defend it to the death. I respect that passion but anyone with such an emotional attachment is blinded. Honestly, it's like when your mother says you are the most handsome boy in the world. Only someone living in a dream world believes that is 100% true.
 
This game is going buy to play or free to play (the later more likely). If you don't think this will happen? I'll bet anyone on these forums 5,000 us dollars. No, I am not joking. I have some information like I did with ESO (also was called a liar and flamed off the ESO forums). There is no doubt about it. But how is this a negative? Don't think of it as bad. There is a great chance for a comeback story here in the same vein as Star Wars the Old Republic. TOR (I don't care if you like the game not the point) dropped from 1.8 million players to a crushing 300k in under 8 months. Even with a bad free to play system offered, they were able to get the player base up to 1 million players. Wildstar can do the very same thing maybe even better.
This is a better product compared to launch and with three million players leaving WoW. There is a good chance they can rope some of them, and new players in. 
It will just take another marketing surge and a relaunch of sorts under the flag of a B2P/F2P system. They have a great chance for success. No negative here fans of Wildstar.
 
Another good example is Marvel Heroes 2015 (my main game). They started off bad. There were many problems and at launch people hated the game. Myself included. A year later they went from worst to one of the best and even got voted most improved MMO, best MMO, and top five free to play MMO. They make good profits and most people enjoy the game. Wildstar could do too.
 
I saw a quick exodus at launch for this game and not a lot of success but now I see something completely different. I see a complete reversal. Another WoW expansion is not due until April of next year. WoD is disappointing to a lot of people who want a "vanilla WoW with modern twist" game. The time to strike is now. 
 
I will personally give someone one of my two Titan X's if this game does not go free to play or buy to play. Not need to be emotional. No reason to defend against this, it will be great for the game.
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			There were plenty of posts on Elder scrolls forums of players who swore the game was fine.. despite the reality that was smacking them in the face every day. Just like the millions of wow fans who would bash anyone who said that Warlords of Draenor has serious issues.. only for the latest financial report to show that over 3million people had stopped playing wow the single largest drop in wow's history after an expansion.  IF the big Monkey in the room can take a beating.. then guess what?   You can't sit here and be the ostrich. I spoke volumes 2 months after this game launched.. And I had plenty of folks bash me and say I was wrong. 9 months later well you know the reality. The issue is every mmo in the universe has die-hards. Folks who will defend it till literally the lights get turned off. The wheels can come off.. they will still say its a smooth ride. When the change does happen and it will... As I have said.. I hope all those die-hards defend this game with the same passion they did before the change happens. IF they do not they will have shown they didn't truly care for this game and this community.  	
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All I gotta say is, who cares.
 
If you like the game in it's current iteration, play it. There's no point worrying about business models because you have no control.
 
But also, I'm interested in this "some information" for a definite business change. I'm not normally allergic to bullcrap but yeah... I'm coming up in hives here.	
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Yeah, I have to admit, I'm a huge fan of this game, but apparently one of the few "still here since beta" regulars who can look at the issues this game had (has?) and see the negatives. We've got a couple of folks who just flat out refuse to admit that ANYTHING has ever been wrong with the game, the population, mechanics or anything else. And it's maddening to me, that such obviously intelligent, caring, concerned members of the community can continually keep their collective heads buried in the sand.
 
I don't want hordes of freeloaders taking over this game anymore than they do - but I'm realistic (and business-oriented) enough to realize that *IF* Carbine/NCSoft decides to make a payment model change, it is in the best interest of the games survival.
 
"De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt" y'know!	
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I've seen its profits compared to the likes of guild wars 2 and other games, and I just dont see how unless there is a massive surge in subs (unlikely) it can continue being p2p?  I love this game dearly but such a low amount of cash doesnt bode well for its future :( say it aint so....
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I've been playing since the last day of the early access, but after a few months I had to walk away for a bit. Unfortunately I walked into WOD. Even when I was playing that, this game still pulled me back with each drop to check in and play a bit. This game is away better than it was a few months ago in my opinion. I was a wow addict but as of drop 5, I have no interest in going back to WOD.
 
We've seen a influx of players over the past few months. If this content holds attention spans until the next drop, it's easy to think there would be even more people invading nexus. The game still needs work, but it's moving in the right direction I think. That said, there is the possibility that even with all the changes and increase in player, they could all get bored and leave in a couple weeks. Plus even though I feel the ship is moving forward, it could still be too late and decisions already made on model changes. Its easy to speculate. We are all still here posting on the forums giving carbine our money, either because deep down we believe, or just want to be here for the "I told ya so". I'll have faith in the game, but it's not blind. 	
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The Q1 2015 NCSOFT report should be out next week.
 
Curious. If the ncsoft report turns out to be a lot lower than Q4 2014, would your loyal views to Carbine improvement continue?
 
 
I do care for the game. As a pvper, i saw potential pre-launch and first few months of the game...and we all know what happen. Unfortunately, this patch. I saw nothing of interest. From a business standpoint, they need to hire a real PVP lead to have any REAL savior patches or ideas - well pvp stuff anyways.
 
I find it really silly they asked PVE designers to improve PVP stuff. 
 
Ignored...
RBGs
Warplots
2v2s
remove 5v5
PVP server
the legend once said... he shall giveth ice box arena?!?!??!?!?!? 	
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sure, why not? The improvements being made to the game are obvious. Like Tex, I'm also one of the "still playing since beta" regulars, but I'm no blind white knight crusader. I've seen the problems, I've seen the issues, I have my own concerns and gripes. But the game -is- improving. Anyone who's been playing this long can see that.
 
 
The improvements are there, regardless of the financial numbers and quarterly reports.. perhaps even in spite of them. .	
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What does loyalty mean in this case? I'm having fun in the game exactly as it is, with the population as it is. If financially it's not good enough for Carbine, then they will have to do what they will have to do. I'll play as long as it's fun.
 
I've never considered myself "loyal", but yes, I'd prefer it if this could remain a sub game.	
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			just have to say, bg and rbgs queues popped at 4 am today, 4 am PST!! again the insomnnia won and at 4 am turn on the pc and played some bgs the fact they popped at that time is something i didnt saw in a long time, so the game  its doing a little better everyday, dont worry about that kind of stuff, because wildstar  its here to stay	
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All I gotta say is, who cares.
 
If you like the game in it's current iteration, play it. There's no point worrying about business models because you have no control.
 
But also, I'm interested in this "some information" for a definite business change. I'm not normally allergic to bullcrap but yeah... I'm coming up in hives here.
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For me, loyalty is not jumping ship and freaking out of a business model transition happens. It's not me suddenly turning tail and speaking of Wildstar as if it were the most reviled game ever (Yes.. I've seen former players who 'got bored' describe the game in ways that would make you think Carbine killed their cat) It's not crying DOOM AND GLOOM TO RP when the Megaservers hit, with people not even giving it a chance.
 
Sticking through the good and bad because I still think it's worth it.. that's what it is to me.	
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Its not crap, and you arent going to expand the community by being isolationist...the FACT is it making poop in profits compared to GW2, Aion or lineage is very low and sad for such a great game.
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For me, loyalty is not jumping ship and freaking out of a business model transition happens. It's not me suddenly turning tail and speaking of Wildstar as if it were the most reviled game ever (Yes.. I've seen former players who 'got bored' describe the game in ways that would make you think Carbine killed their cat) It's not crying DOOM AND GLOOM TO RP when the Megaservers hit, with people not even giving it a chance.
 
Sticking through the good and bad because I still think it's worth it.. that's what it is to me.
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Didn't we have a thread with this exact same title and exact same subject matter after Drop 4?
 
Game is staying P2P.  You cannot prove otherwise.  Move along.	
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The game is great as it is, so I would not care if it went f2p. People are so tied up if the game is going to continue as a p2p or going f2p, who cares, just enjoy the game with the people who are playing the game currently. If you are so worried about population, do your own recruiting, i.e., buy the game for a friend, family member, advertise and help carbine keep making good content. I, for the holy mother of sweet baby jesus, cannot play with steady fps. So my concern, which is, assumption, doubtful and probably wont happen for a long time, is that Wildstar will cease to exist, not, haha. So basically, just enjoy the game and stop stressing over it. As this person posted:
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game still need more players. queues are still abysmal.
but it is in a decent place now... it is well polished and the pvp side of it is gaining steam.
 
otherwise,
thx to those useless pets and "dailies" contracts that just screams "we had no better idea"...
just feed them what they want i suppose.	
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thx to those useless pets and "dailies" contracts that just screams "we had no better idea"...
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thx to those useless pets and "dailies" contracts that just screams "we had no better idea"...
 
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			Personally I would love for the game to go F2P but it really does seem odd the whole group of folks that seem to be like, lobbying for it like a political lobbying group. 	
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Didn't we have a thread with this exact same title and exact same subject matter after Drop 4?
 
Game is staying P2P.  You cannot prove otherwise.  Move along.
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Drop 5 is nice but there is not much that bring new players in, drop 4 was a much better drop for that.
 
maybe just except this the population for this niche game and move on when something better pops up	
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What?
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			Oh gosh here we go again. Wait until next week, there is no point speculating. Q1 report is due to be released May 13th and that should be very telling about the future. This isn't rocket science and there isn't really anything to talk about. So many people get flustered and angry in these threads and there is no need for that. At the end of the day the company needs to profit or at least break even to stay alive. If they can show growth this quarter relative to Q4 2014 then they will likely stay p2p. If they cannot show growth and their revenue continues on its downward trend then expect some serious changes because that is how the world works. 	
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you can't prove the game is staying P2P anymore than the other side of the argument can prove it is changing to F2play. the discussion isn't going to go away.
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			Vince you are a little bit contradicting yourself and why would there be an advance warning if the game schanges their model?	
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Chalk me up some proof then.  Every single week we hear "Game is F2P next month, count on it" or "Game will be F2P next drop, no other options" or "Game will go B2P soon" and that's been every damn month since November.
 
Hasn't happened yet.  No one has proof.  I have proof the game is remaining P2P:  Every @#$%ing drop since launch.  More proof:  No announcement to the contrary from Carbine.  Given how the CoH F2P transition went, there'd be some advanced warning before a system like that was implemented.  Nothing so far.  You cannot prove the game will go F2P.  Financial reports =/= company or game roadmaps.  Speculation =/= proof.  Saying it's going to happen and to "count on it" =/= proof.
 
Enough with this BS.  Enough.
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Yeah, I have to admit, I'm a huge fan of this game, but apparently one of the few "still here since beta" regulars who can look at the issues this game had (has?) and see the negatives. We've got a couple of folks who just flat out refuse to admit that ANYTHING has ever been wrong with the game, the population, mechanics or anything else. And it's maddening to me, that such obviously intelligent, caring, concerned members of the community can continually keep their collective heads buried in the sand.
 
I don't want hordes of freeloaders taking over this game anymore than they do - but I'm realistic (and business-oriented) enough to realize that *IF* Carbine/NCSoft decides to make a payment model change, it is in the best interest of the games survival.
 
"De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt" y'know!
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Oh gosh here we go again. Wait until next week, there is no point speculating. Q1 report is due to be released May 13th and that should be very telling about the future. This isn't rocket science and there isn't really anything to talk about. So many people get flustered and angry in these threads and there is no need for that. At the end of the day the company needs to profit or at least break even to stay alive. If they can show growth this quarter relative to Q4 2014 then they will likely stay p2p. If they cannot show growth and their revenue continues on its downward trend then expect some serious changes because that is how the world works. 
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One thing they really have to do, is figure out how to get the PVP megaservers populated again, because an empty megaserver is a really bad advertisement for a game. And they have to do it in a way that will keep the PVE megaservers populated as well. If they can do that, they'll have a better chance of convincing more people that the game is in a stable situation.
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Well, many said the Q4 report was irrelevant because it didn't include Drop 4 numbers, and many will say the Q1 report will be irrelevant because it won't include Mystery Box or Drop 5 numbers, so there will still be a debate. We also don't know how many of the people who came back for Drop 5 will stick around, or how many of the people who came back for Drop 5 actually had an active subscription but just hadn't played for a while.
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Vince you are a little bit contradicting yourself and why would there be an advance warning if the game schanges their model?
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Sure but it says nowhere that they must.
 
There seems to be an new MMO on E3 from ncsoft, so curious what that might be.
Atleast it seems NCsoft is moving on and not waiting.	
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game still need more players. queues are still abysmal.
but it is in a decent place now... it is well polished and the pvp side of it is gaining steam.
 
otherwise,
thx to those useless pets and "dailies" contracts that just screams "we had no better idea"...
just feed them what they want i suppose.
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No. It's crap.
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			Population is absolutely increasing. People are getting bored of Blizzard's rehashed crapola and coming back now that they hear Wildstar has been patched up.	
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I actually believe almost 50k people (re)subbed from Jan-Now due to how many new and old faces I am seeing, the game is improving a ton and if they were going f2p...it would of come with drop 5.
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Population is absolutely increasing. People are getting bored of Blizzard's rehashed crapola and coming back now that they hear Wildstar has been patched up.
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I resubbed recently, but decided to cancel after 4 days for one main reason. One of the minor reasons is the horrendous fanboy threads that keep popping up, very embarrassing tbh. I love the style of this game and the combat, but a serious lack of players on the EU megaserver has destroyed general gameplay. I have several chars , ranging from 12-43, population is not booming.  What I find totally childish is that when a peep posts a critical post of this game, it tends to be shouted down by rabid fanboys that see nothing wrong with the game.
I feel if you are enjoying the game, that's cool, but do not start foaming at the mouth when a normal player simply expresses their opinion. I want this game to do well, the humour is sweet and I also like the crafting. However, what will doom this game are the vocal minority that sees a perfect game and feels the need to protect it with aggressive posts ;(	
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Well, there's voicing your opinion and then there's the people who came in and every single thread started "foaming at the mouth" with the doom and gloom and f2p. It's not only the "fanboys" who are aggressive and rude. I've been called delusional just for liking a game... I have no problem with whatever direction this game takes, and I really like it, doesn't make me a fanboy. 
Posting a positive thread is "horrendous fanboy thread"? What about the threads that pop up weekly that just bash the hell out of the game, is that embarrassing too? Because I think it is. I've found this game to have the best communities of all of the MMO's I've played, even if it's a smaller population.
 
Which megasever are you on? If you're on the pvp one, you wont see anybody, if you're on the pve one... well the population is booming by my standards. At least comparatively to when the pop was really really low. Also, I need to point out that low level areas are really quiet tbh. There are people levelling but the majority of the population, like any MMO is at endgame... especially now with a new drop :p	
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I resubbed recently, but decided to cancel after 4 days for one main reason. One of the minor reasons is the horrendous fanboy threads that keep popping up, very embarrassing tbh. I love the style of this game and the combat, but a serious lack of players on the EU megaserver has destroyed general gameplay. I have several chars , ranging from 12-43, population is not booming. What I find totally childish is that when a peep posts a critical post of this game, it tends to be shouted down by rabid fanboys that see nothing wrong with the game.
I feel if you are enjoying the game, that's cool, but do not start foaming at the mouth when a normal player simply expresses their opinion. I want this game to do well, the humour is sweet and I also like the crafting. However, what will doom this game are the vocal minority that sees a perfect game and feels the need to protect it with aggressive posts ;(
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I resubbed recently, but decided to cancel after 4 days for one main reason. One of the minor reasons is the horrendous fanboy threads that keep popping up, very embarrassing tbh. I love the style of this game and the combat, but a serious lack of players on the EU megaserver has destroyed general gameplay. I have several chars , ranging from 12-43, population is not booming.  What I find totally childish is that when a peep posts a critical post of this game, it tends to be shouted down by rabid fanboys that see nothing wrong with the game.
I feel if you are enjoying the game, that's cool, but do not start foaming at the mouth when a normal player simply expresses their opinion. I want this game to do well, the humour is sweet and I also like the crafting. However, what will doom this game are the vocal minority that sees a perfect game and feels the need to protect it with aggressive posts ;(
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That being said, it's not impossible that the game is generating enough revenue with everyone in the NA and EU regions on their respective PVE megaserver, but the fact that 2 out of 4 megaservers have been virtually empty since the merge isn't something something that should be ignored when discussing the overall health of the game.
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TBH, there are plenty of people who say things like "Why isn't this game F2P yet?" or "I'll come back when it's F2P," especially on reddit, facebook, and other forums that posters here frequent - people who truly just want something for nothing, or actually want the game to fail - and that gets really tiresome to people who enjoy the game. I do think that a lot of posters in the official forums who are concerned with the future of the game (and/or think a change in business model would be good for the game) get unfairly lumped into the same category, though.
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When i look at Jabbit now it feels about as full as Hazak (pvp) before the mega merge and from what i gather the pve server was about as full. So since the mega servers we went from 2 active servers to 1 in both the EU and NA.
 
I hope the amount of players is enough to sustain wildstar.
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What would be telling would be predictions for future quarters. Even then, though, if they predict growth, one side will say "they're predicting growth because they're changing their business model" and one side will say "they're predicting growth based on the success of the Mystery Boxes and Drop 5".
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f2p, then maybe 1-2 years of survival due to initial rush and will close after that once the leaking starts again.
it will never, ever see an expansion.
 
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f2p, then maybe 1-2 years of survival due to initial rush and will close after that once the leaking starts again.
it will never, ever see an expansion.
 
my opinion, of course.
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While we're all making comparisons : Having played a failed game that was scrapped and thrown into the compost heap...
 
Wildstar is in no way that failed.
 
1) there's too much content
2) there's too many people
3) the battle system is too fun!	
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Many folks seem to think the voices calling for F2P hate the game. Maybe some do, but you do realize someone can like the game, but not see it being successful with its current business model right? There's no harm in someone who likes a game suggesting a different business path they believe will keep the game around for them to enjoy longer.
 
To that end, I'd personally like to see a B2P with optional sub model similar to Secret World. Box price keeps a lot of the trolls and spammers at bay, optional sub + cash shop gives the playerbase a way to support the game finanacially while also using their purchases to offer feedback (i.e. an awesome outfit gets released, tons of folks buy it, devs are therefore given unmistakable feedback that folks want more like it.) I believe that such a change would increase the population and revenue stream for Wildstar, which would be better for the game's long term prospects (remember, Carbine is part of NCSoft, just making a modest profit is not going to sustain the game forever, it has to grow or it will get cut. Denizens of the City of X games learned that the hard way.)
 
This isn't about not liking the game, this is about what will keep the game running the longest.	
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Anyone crying for B2P/F2P is pretty ignorant of the current changes and why they're a pretty heavy indicator of the future of WildStar.
 
Instead of developing major core content consistant. Carbine continues to make fluff content that could have easily been reserved and spaced out and planned release for Micro-transactions.
 
Carbine/NCSoft wouldn't make such a huge mistake/content release if they were planning on moving to another business model.
A lot of the fluff content update we got this drop are monitazation commodities, them releasing them here and now and not reserving them for a shop is a pretty good indicator that they're not planning on a switch anytime soon.	
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Double post here but I just want to express something.
 
I was pretty suspicious and wary that WildStar might be interested or preparing for another business model.
With the performance lately of the game in business reports, and the negativity on the forums/reddit, as well as other sources I was pretty well off in assuming a business model change was being prepared for.
However with this new content update, seeing just how much stuff was put into the game that would have no doubt been reserved for a business model change...
I'm pretty certain that NCSoft and Carbine have zero interest or focus on executing a business model change anytime soon. not with in the next 6 months to a year.
 
If you really need any good indicator of this sort of process it's probably to a good idea to look at TERA's transition process.
They introduced a Cash shop during its P2P stage with weapon skins.
After this they transitioned to their F2P system later.
The content they released for their pre F2P system rework was designed for the instance of montary testing.
 
If WildStar introduces a shop with a bunch of fluff content to buy with real money, then i would say start worrying, but since this new update put toys and pets and other fluff in the game as standard content and wasn't reserved for monitization releases, that's a pretty big indicator that NCSoft isn't making Carbine develope content for a microtransaction system anytime soon.
 
The only indicator that I can see is the token system associated with the new holoward robe.
 
If the F2P transition comes anytime soon, i know for a fact they'll restrict the swapping of costumes and put tokens in the shop to push sales for costume set swaps.(GW2 does this)
But that's speculation, and nothing else in the game indicates that a business model transition is imminent.	
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			They may not be planning on/aware of any business model switch. I don't pretend to read the dev's minds, or those over at NCSoft corporate. My comment was simply that if we want Wildstar to be around for the long haul, per NCSoft's past behaviors, it needs to make some big numbers. The last earnings report out of NCSoft showed that it was not doing so. That is worrying if you want this game to be around for a while. Now maybe recent updates and maneuvers have given the game a monetary shot in the arm, time will tell. I'm just not sure why there is such rabid desire to see the game be subscription based or die trying. 	
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They may not be planning on/aware of any business model switch. I don't pretend to read the dev's minds, or those over at NCSoft corporate. My comment was simply that if we want Wildstar to be around for the long haul, per NCSoft's past behaviors, it needs to make some big numbers. The last earnings report out of NCSoft showed that it was not doing so. That is worrying if you want this game to be around for a while. Now maybe recent updates and maneuvers have given the game a monetary shot in the arm, time will tell. I'm just not sure why there is such rabid desire to see the game be subscription based or die trying.
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WildStar shows differently. The game shows recovering numbers and returning players.
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TERA is a bit of a courisity in that regard, but it's the only successful example of business model transition success.
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To be fair, it's really only the fanboys and die hards who are running around convincing people that the population is recovering.
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That's not true and you know it leylin.
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The difference in those potential explanations for predicted growth would be that one is based on something they have zero evidence for, while the other is based on something that actually happened.
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With the content they released for this drop, there's a pretty strong indication that they aren't going F2P or B2P anytime soon.
There's so much they could have reserved and monetized.
 
I'm pretty sure that the CREDD and sub system is going to keep the game P2P for a while.
 
Do us a favor and lets drop the whole F2P/B2P hyping nonsense.
"Game is dying"
"Game doesn't make money"
I see more and people everyday along with old faces and returning.
 
Can we cut this crap out now?
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Seriously, they should log back on to the game and see the increase of population.  If that isnt the promising of the game, I don't know what is....  No game suddenly gain a massive of player over night.. 
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WildStar is showing recovering numbers, which is not characteristic of a game that falls into a transition.
Neither TERA, nor SWTOR, nor RIFT showed any signs of recovery during their model transition phases nor during their declines.
 
WildStar shows differently. The game shows recovering numbers and returning players.
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I'm sorry but I don't feel the same way about Jabbit.There's been a large population increase at least on dommie side, and seeing ss as well as reports from other exiles, the exile side is exploding with people.Thayd is like a slideshow for some people.
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Actually, all games have a big surge in players overnight, when there's a major game update. There was one of those in this game less than a week ago.
 
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While we're all making comparisons : Having played a failed game that was scrapped and thrown into the compost heap...
 
Wildstar is in no way that failed.
 
1) there's too much content
2) there's too many people
3) the battle system is too fun!
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Sure but it says nowhere that they must.
 
There seems to be an new MMO on E3 from ncsoft, so curious what that might be.
Atleast it seems NCsoft is moving on and not waiting.
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Where did you hear that? A new MMO in the horizon always peaks my interest. Not that I will leave wildstar, but I usually have two MMOs on the go, and at the moment it is just wildstar (nothing decent out there atm, but that's a good thing. Means I can focus purely on those pesky ability/amp points. Just need 3 more amps \o/)
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Personally I would love for the game to go F2P but it really does seem odd the whole group of folks that seem to be like, lobbying for it like a political lobbying group. 
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*SIgh*
 
So we are five pages into ANOTHER free-to-play thread and not single person has provided any recent official financial reports to support their opinions on Wildstar's business model being unsuccessful/successful?
 
Seriously, mods? Why do you allow these threads? What do you honestly think will be accomplished here?
 
Someone should modify the community guidelines to make unsubstantiated crap threads like this against the rules. God forbid we actually use the forums to discuss ways to improve the game, instead of just encouraging this type of partisan circle-jerking	
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Seriously, mods? Why do you allow these threads? What do you honestly think will be accomplished here?
 
Someone should modify the community guidelines to make unsubstantiated threads like this against the rules. 
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			Anecdotally, I've talked to at least six players in the last week who were gone for months and have now just come back. My theory is that a lot of the near-3 million subs that WoW lost last quarter are coming back to Nexus to see what's changed. As someone who still plays WoW as well as WS, there's arguably a lot more to do at endgame here than there is in Warlords of Draenor. The more people that come to realize this, the better.	
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SWTOR may not have grown its population hugely, but all indications out of EA (not known for their kindness to underperforming games and studios) are that they are pleased with its revenue. Granted, SWTOR has one of the most abusive F2P models I've seen, and all the power of Star Wars and Bioware behind it, so that might also be a bit of a curiosity.
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If you wish to discuss moderation policies, you're welcome to email theredphone@carbinestudios.com - however, we do feel that it's important players be able to vocalize their opinions, whether they're negative or positive. So long as the threads remain constructive, on topic, and do not insult members of the community ...
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But seriously, it's like we MUST have at least one of these stupid threads going every week, just so the Mods have an excuse to shut down the 37 *other* threads with this topic that will crop up during the same time period.
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Ahahaha- I've had that same thought!
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*SIgh*
 
So we are five pages into ANOTHER free-to-play thread and not single person has provided any recent official financial reports to support their opinions on Wildstar's business model being unsuccessful/successful?
 
Seriously, mods? Why do you allow these threads? What do you honestly think will be accomplished here?
 
Someone should modify the community guidelines to make unsubstantiated crap threads like this against the rules. God forbid we actually use the forums to discuss ways to improve the game, instead of just encouraging this type of partisan circle-jerking
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I said this on MMORPG when the topic came out recently.
 
We cannot guarantee for sure if Wildstar is going F2P or B2P anytime sooner or later. But making the move right after the mass exodus was simply stupid. Why? Simple answer... retention. Doesn't matter how many you let them in, if most will leave anyway. Carbine has to fix retention issues first. And only then, if after a while the player base can't still sustain the game, then very likely some measures will be taken.
 
And I applaud everyone's at Carbine because they are taking the right approach.
 
There are other things Carbine can do to bring new players, like adding Steam support and listing the game there. Has been working so far with Tera, even with such clumsy controls.	
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Steam support won't happen for this game.  Ever.
 
NCSoft will not allow Valve to take a publishing cut of sales.  Yes, Guild Wars 1 is on Steam - but it was put there in 2009, before the regime change at NCSoft when TJ Kim took over.  How many -recent- NCSoft games are on Steam now?	
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I am not particularly interested in the future of W*, as long as it:
 
a) carries on
and
b) carries on in a viable way for players and developer, be it sub, B2P or F2P. I have no issue with any model, to be honest: F2P can be done very well (see most MOBAs).
 
What I find curious is the wider MMO community and the general reaction to new MMOs. There's often some hype, a surge in subs, then a tail-off. Then the game, unless it's WoW or has big, big branding (KOTR), is declared 'dead', even as the game carries on. W* clearly doesn't have an enormous population, but it's still going. It may change, but it'll still go on, or so I hope. Judging a game to be struggling or not is a judgement call, and doesn't have to be a thing causing mortal offence and outrage. At the same time, I don't quite get why there's such vindictive pleasure in a game failing: 'W* is dead, Carbine junked it', etc etc. That's just silly: the game has qualities and flaws, like any other. If you don't like it, fine. But leave those that do to enjoy it. It's not a battle.
 
In terms of concrete developments, the improvements from Launch, to Drop 3, and then particularly up to Drop 5, have been remarkable. There are so many synergised systems offering a wide variety of play, maintaining a hardcore end-game but diversifying the ways to get there (and making it that little bit easier, e.g. via much-improved pre-raid loot). There are plenty of issues, of course, and I have had breaks from the game. But I am back again, and having fun again. That's all I want. As long as that remains, and as long as there are enough people for me to raid and dungeon with, then by my book, that's gravy.	
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Well unless the person who posted is is really good at photoshop, the Q1 2015 financial report is disastrous.  Half of what Q4 2014 was, abouts.  Guess I get to worry about the game in a much greater capacity, and prepare myself for endless F2P threads.  :(
 
http://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/comments/35rwyt/ncsofts_earnings_report_1q_15_wildstars_sales/	
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Well unless the person who posted is is really good at photoshop, the Q1 2015 financial report is disastrous.  Half of what Q4 2014 was, abouts.  Guess I get to worry about the game in a much greater capacity, and prepare myself for endless F2P threads.   :(
 
http://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/comments/35rwyt/ncsofts_earnings_report_1q_15_wildstars_sales/
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Don't really think F2P will solve this...but that's a whole 'nuther can of worms. 
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Steam support won't happen for this game.  Ever.
 
NCSoft will not allow Valve to take a publishing cut of sales.  Yes, Guild Wars 1 is on Steam - but it was put there in 2009, before the regime change at NCSoft when TJ Kim took over.  How many -recent- NCSoft games are on Steam now?
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Just for the people that missed it...
 
 
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/632/view/news/page/1/read/34902/WildStar-Steam-Info-Points-to-Free-to-Play-Upcoming.html#post
 
Were you saying?
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Just for the people that missed it...
 
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/632/view/news/page/1/read/34902/WildStar-Steam-Info-Points-to-Free-to-Play-Upcoming.html#post
 
Were you saying?
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/Hugs Vince Blood
 
 :D you sound like you could use a hug	
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Cheer up Vince. This may be a really good thing for wildstar. It certainly needs the large player base that steam could provide.
 
I know it sucks, but yknow.. we all saw this coming really. Even though we didn't want it to.	
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Cheer up Vince. This may be a really good thing for wildstar. It certainly needs the large player base that steam could provide.
 
I know it sucks, but yknow.. we all saw this coming really. Even though we didn't want it to.
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EDIT:  Yes, I see you there Eclips.  Enjoy your victory.  I really don't have an argument anymore so rake it in.  Here's hoping the game does well from here on out.
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Hey the good thing is NCSoft could have pulled the plug, instead they're sharing publishing with valve, and pushing for an eastern release.
 
That is really good news, and shows that NCSoft is really in it for the long run and believe in the game. That means they are sticking with it for now. I see wildstar prospering on steam.
 
We all know the potential this game has, I love it just as much as you and have been worrying for a long time. I just knew at the back of my mind this would happen.
 
I sure won't be happy that you aren't posting as much anymore, you always have really good insight into the behind the scenes, as a QA. I will really miss that plus your posts in the coffee threads :(	
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I'm a bit upset so excuse me.  I should probably remove that.  I saw you'd liked my original post saying Steam would never happen and got the impression you were doing so sarcastically.  Apologies.
 
Not a good day for ol' Vince.
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Wait what about Eclips?
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I still stick by my principles.  I have no argument anymore.  I don't want to admit I was wrong because I honest-to-god want this game to be able to stand on its own two feet, but I was wrong.  It breaks my heart that I was wrong because I wasn't fighting against all that I was just for personal reasons; I was vehemently against all that's happening because I know what it takes to develop a game and I didn't feel it was the right time to make these changes.
 
But I was wrong.  People seem pretty happy to rub that shit in my face, and that's petty as *cupcake*.  But I was wrong.  All I can do now is hope the game prospers wherever it ends up.  I'm sure a lot of people will be incredibly happy that I won't be posting as much anymore.
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@ vince
 
 
:) 
 
I know it won't bring you much joy right now, but we are all shocked and worried for the future of our favourite game. Knowing that other people feel the same way might bring you some solace 	
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Far as I'm aware reading through the reddit leak, they still seem to be dedicated more to the sub portion than the MTX portion of the game, thank god too.
 
I'm not happy either, but I said it to myself when I picked this game up: I'll stay with this ship 'til she sinks. If they do it right, and I severely hope they do, then we should be fine and just enjoy the game as we always have. Keep a $15 sub (or probably still pay with CREDD) and rock some pixels.	
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It's okay Vince...
Things change...policies, "taboos", people, etc...
 
I know you're shocked and I fully understand why you would be.*hug*
I honestly think people are just putting too much of themselves into it and it's harming their enjoyment overall. I love and understand you want Wildstar to succeed and be financially stable, etc...but essentially the nature of the beast is business. Personally I enjoy and will continue to enjoy Wildstar and just roll with whatever comes at me while offering feedback. There isn't much I can do on the financial end other than to show my support paying my sub. It's so much easier said than done, but really I think it better to jsut step back.
 
If anything perhaps instead of going back and forth between us on whether things will or will not change we mperhaps try to discuss what our thresholds for what is and isn't acceptable would be?	
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			I swear... F2P will ruin this game for me. Decor for housing and collecting cosmetic stuff is what motivates me to play the damn game. What point will there be when all the new stuff gets thrown on a cash shop...	
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You know, I think I'll continue to remain skeptical at what is being said here until there's an official announcement. There's a lot of good points to be wary about this poster and how the information was presented. As we all know, not everything we read on the internet is true.
 
There is, after all, this gem where someone impersonated Meerkat as recent as last week.
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/125832-pvp-dev-response/page-3	
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This whole cash shop talk is just what I'm hearing about in my WoW guild right now >.> 
 
"OMG guys this new mount is in the cash shop!" "Freaking Blizzard make more content!" "WoW lost 3 million subs and now you're gonna milk us?"
 
Yes...the raid team, the dungeon team, the PvP team, the lore team, are all working on the cash shop...your content is not going to come....yes....
 
Honestly if it is a F2P hybrid I wouldn't be surprised if it gets a heavy initial cash shop...how many people were posting up pics of how many box copies of WildStar they purchased after the promotion started? 
 
$$$ 	
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I swear... F2P will ruin this game for me. Decor for housing and collecting cosmetic stuff is what motivates me to play the damn game. What point will there be when all the new stuff gets thrown on a cash shop...
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Champions Online gave subscribers an stipend. I think it stil does, maybe? It gave players enough currency to afford stuff from the cash shop as they were released...but then they fueled the cash shop furnaces more and more, developing more things for it than the stipend allowed you to buy per month.
Until they did that, it was enough to keep me subscribed.
 
I share Naunet's worry, though: a F2P conversion will inevitably mean most of their development resources will go into fueling it (since it will be THE income source). Even if they keep a subscription option that gives you an stipend (or access to most or all of the cosmetic stuff as long as you stay subscribed), that's not going to change. 80% of the new content will go to the cash shop or will be related to guiding players to it. It's just the nature of the beast. 	
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I just want my costumes to be left alone.
 
Let me buy more costume pages in the shop. I'll probably buy at least up to 20.
Being the fashionista I am, i'll probably go "squee!" and buy a ton of the new outfits if they look good.
 
Swimsuit please, bloomers and gymshirt with tennis shoes please? :D	
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Champions Online gave subscribers an stipend. I think it stil does, maybe? It gave players enough currency to afford stuff from the cash shop as they were released...but then they fueled the cash shop furnaces more and more, developing more things for it than the stipend allowed you to buy per month.
Until they did that, it was enough to keep me subscribed.
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			I meant it was enough to get the costume sets. I know they went overboard with lockboxes eventually. They even had events that promoted the lockboxes by giving you some lockboxes so you'd want to get more lockboxes!  Lockboxpocalypse!	
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I swear... F2P will ruin this game for me. Decor for housing and collecting cosmetic stuff is what motivates me to play the damn game. What point will there be when all the new stuff gets thrown on a cash shop...
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This whole cash shop talk is just what I'm hearing about in my WoW guild right now >.> 
 
"OMG guys this new mount is in the cash shop!" "Freaking Blizzard make more content!" "WoW lost 3 million subs and now you're gonna milk us?"
 
Yes...the raid team, the dungeon team, the PvP team, the lore team, are all working on the cash shop...your content is not going to come....yes....
 
Honestly if it is a F2P hybrid I wouldn't be surprised if it gets a heavy initial cash shop...how many people were posting up pics of how many box copies of WildStar they purchased after the promotion started? 
 
$$$ 
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I like the idea of f2p, because PvP hasn't seen any new content since drop 2, and the game has been devoid of the necessary PvP population.'
 
If f2p arrives and the game picks up, CRB might see how this game can draw a great PvP crowd, provided they continue to put more effort into the PvP side of things.	
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I like the idea of f2p, because PvP hasn't seen any new content since drop 2, and the game has been devoid of the necessary PvP population.'
 
If f2p arrives and the game picks up, CRB might see how this game can draw a great PvP crowd, provided they continue to put more effort into the PvP side of things.
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I like the idea of f2p, because PvP hasn't seen any new content since drop 2, and the game has been devoid of the necessary PvP population.'
 
If f2p arrives and the game picks up, CRB might see how this game can draw a great PvP crowd, provided they continue to put more effort into the PvP side of things.
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except, the main point many people who are against f2p is because content slows and devalues in favor of cash shop bullshit. and no, this will not be the case at first. but just like the poster said earlier with, it will come to a point, no matter the size, were devs are just going to milk players for what they have.
 
i think the same is happening with LoL, with their chroma packs bull shit. basically, the higher ups have agreed it is a very good possibility that LoL has peaked, and it time to make money when you have the largest player base you will have. there is a reason the cash shop released when it did in wow when it did.
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Sub games milk players as well but in different ways, more like trying to do as little as possible while retaining the current sub base. Just look at WoW and their content release.
With f2p there are at least often no strings or monthly fee attach to it.
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sub games don't milk players, cash shops do.
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I dunno, I would say WoW milked it's player base with its warlords expansion. It was a joke of an expansion. Felt like a large patch.
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anyone that played wow after, and including parts of, wotlk has been milked. hell you could make an argument as soon as they announced a "re-release of nax" that players were being milked.
 
also, what happened? i was told this was the return of the golden age in wow. raiding was difficult again. and that this was the best expansion to date.
 
i guess it wasnt, shocker.
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sub games don't milk players, cash shops do.
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I guess that really depends on how they do it. I mean, subscriptions might only give boosts to XP and whatnot, in which case it might be better to just buy stuff off the cash shop instead of spending money on a sub. Or maybe subscribers will get cash shop currency, or cash shop items will be available to subscribers without spending extra money. We simply don't know yet.
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Hmm! I'm one of those people who always said he'd unsub the day this game went F2P, but after reading that Reddit thread, I don't know. Sounds like it could be good if done right. Wildstar is a great game that just needs more eyeballs on it.
 
I mean, like everyone else, I've seen F2P done horribly, but if they really are cognizant of avoiding the mistakes of prominent competitors who've gone F2P, I think it could be a big net gain.	
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If they do it correctly, it could truly be a very prosperous direction.
 
I'm not opposed to f2p as long as it's done smartly with no barriers on actual playable content. I would of course, hope that my current subscription would lapse over into the new sub model and give me some nice shinies.
 
Lopp love shinies.
 
I know I for one would sink money into gaining more costume slots, more hairstyles, more holo wardrobe space and a bigger housing plot. < these are the things it sounds like they will focus on.	
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anyone that played wow after, and including parts of, wotlk has been milked. hell you could make an argument as soon as they announced a "re-release of nax" that players were being milked.
 
also, what happened? i was told this was the return of the golden age in wow. raiding was difficult again. and that this was the best expansion to date.
 
i guess it wasnt, shocker.
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			In my experience most games that go f2p, their endgame goes to garbage.  I really hope Wildstar can make it so it doesnt go to the garbage bin and focus on content and endgame and story and new zones and dungeons/adventures and pvp and simcores.  My big thing, is where is advertisments for this game?  Idk, if this games goes f2p or b2p with a cash shop for only dyes/costumes/mounts/pets and leaves everything else as is and developers focus on content vs cash shop, things be ok.  Don't include mats/gear in the cash shop.  	
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There are people here who belong to both communities. 
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Drop the game bashing. There are people here who belong to both communities. 
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For every mook I have to deal with in WoW telling me how WildStar is garbage, I have another in WildStar telling me how WoW is garbage... >.>
 
"My mmo is superior to yours!" >.>
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For every mook I have to deal with in WoW telling me how WildStar is garbage, I have another in WildStar telling me how WoW is garbage... >.>
 
"My mmo is superior to yours!" >.>
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A month later and we are still asking the same questions
 
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Yes we do have questions....but do you have the answers
 
Q: Carbine are you changing your business model ?
 
Q: If you are, will that model be B2P F2P or hybrid ?
 
Q: You say we are a great community, I know we are a great community! Are you going to shit on us without warning like other game companies ?
 
Q: You have said in many Dev speaks that you won't bullshit the players, was that a lie ?
 
Q: I stick up for Wildstar and do my best to promote it all over the internet! So why am I starting to get this horrible taste in my mouth ?
 
And still no answers....can only assume it's yes-yes-yes-yes, and that horrible taste ? that's just me throwing up	
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			Announcing F2P earlier than necessary hurts everyone because it stops anyone from joining the game until the conversion happens.	
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You only need to read forums across the internet and twitch chats to realise that, 3 months of leaks and rumours does the same thing, I've lost count of the “ will wait to see if it goes F2P “ or “ will play when it goes “ posts I've read!!! At this stage nothing can hurt the game more than the nothingness  	
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You only need to read forums across the internet and twitch chats to realise that, 3 months of leaks and rumours does the same thing, I've lost count of the “ will wait to see if it goes F2P “ or “ will play when it goes “ posts I've read!!! At this stage nothing can hurt the game more than the nothingness  
 
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Ugh you aurin are so gross. Why are you eating your puke?
 
 
 
Hehe joking aside...the I see it is people got rattled already by the box stuff and then recent events spiked that feeling just as much if not more. Them not saying anything already gives people impression its happening...heck carbine not clarifying that the recent reddit mod stuff wasn't their doing gave a major impression of that too. 
 
Maybe I'm wrong but I feel people who didn't want to even try wildstar because it isn't free or buy to play are already settled where they are and with recent events they feel even more reason to just wait it out...
 
I don't think it'd do anymore harm than their silence to clarify things. I think that some would feel better just to hear something...	
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First I don't know if that Steam screen I posted was true or not. I only reposted what I saw, and also wasn't the only one.
 
I also have my personal worries about F2P & B2P models. For starters, usually most if not all cosmetic stuff stops from being given for free (rep grind), and instead is given in the shop.
 
I would like to see a model where pre cap content is given free. Content be released as DLC, subs having access for free to all the DLC. Only big expansions should be sell to everyone.	
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If they do it correctly, it could truly be a very prosperous direction.
 
I'm not opposed to f2p as long as it's done smartly with no barriers on actual playable content. I would of course, hope that my current subscription would lapse over into the new sub model and give me some nice shinies.
 
Lopp love shinies.
 
I know I for one would sink money into gaining more costume slots, more hairstyles, more holo wardrobe space and a bigger housing plot. < these are the things it sounds like they will focus on.
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you dont have to love wildstar to see what wow has become.
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And if I go to WoW I bet I'll find someone who believes WildStar is going casual and will respond with
 
You don't have love WoW to see how WildStar has fallen.
 
I wish this mmo bashing would just stop. It's as bad as console wars. >.>
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But people have to like only thing things you like. no one's allowed to disagree with you, and heaven forbid if they don't like the game you play. But there's a way to fix you problems. If you yell loud enough that the other game is trash compared to yours then the uneducated populations will believe you. Yes the concept of bashing the competition till it loses is stupid but it's the "American way" sadly.... just look at how our elections are run.
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That's not even the American way.  That's the gamer way.  Sad but true.  Two gamers cannot like different things, lest they get into an argument.
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I disagree. You are so completely wrong that I can't even believe you said that. Now, we fight!  :P
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Yeah, but we don't like them.  :lol: ;)
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I disagree. You are so completely wrong that I can't even believe you said that. Now, we fight! :P
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That's not even the American way.  That's the gamer way.  Sad but true.  Two gamers cannot like different things, lest they get into an argument.
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https://youtu.be/oJEUxgn-oIg
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