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Cmon folks, this is ONLY launch where I have no problems with queues.
I get in game and I actually get stuck in.. ... ... loading screen.
 
What??
 
Please... can you make it right so I can finaly see what's beyond first zone after tutorial... please ?	
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LOL EPIC HAHAHA ITS ALMOST LIKE PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY A VIDEOGAME ROFL LMFAO so entitled smh
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Amusing as the images are, OP is just trying to experience the game for the first time and is frustrated that certain issues prevent him from doing so. Nothing wrong with being frustrated at that.
 
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There used to be a series of images above this post depicting various infants crying in response to OP and the level of complaining going on in the forums. Images removed due to moderator decision.
			
				
	Edited October 4, 2015 by Beartornado	
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Carbine Studios are trying the best to their ability. A lot of MMO launches have a rocky start, but CS have fixed these issues relatively quick. Hang in there!
 
  
			
				
	Edited October 3, 2015 by Grayson Stonyhammer	
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Amusing as the images are, OP is just trying to experience the game for the first time and is frustrated that certain issues prevent him from doing so. Nothing wrong with being frustrated at that.
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This thread is best thread lol. 
 
All crying baby pics aside, Carbine will fix whatever needs to be fixed. Give it a few more days, or maybe even 1 more and you'll be good to go. They've been working incredibly hard (even though i'm sure people think they haven't been judging by all the issues), so just take it easy for a bit.	
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Haha this was a good laugh xD
OP, we're all in the same boat. No one likes what's going on, we just have to be patient :)	
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			You might have tried logging in right after they took the servers down for a quick hotfix. You can check this link to let you know if/when the servers are back up. http://www.wsstatus.com/	
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Amusing as the images are, OP is just trying to experience the game for the first time and is frustrated that certain issues prevent him from doing so. Nothing wrong with being frustrated at that.
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The past 100+ threads about the same thing have been using the "They're just frustrated!" excuse.  There are plenty of us who are in the same boat and aren't taking to the forums and spamming threads about it for attention.
 
Community finally found a funny way to put their behavior into perspective.
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I find it all pretty funny.  
Anyway, welcome to the MMO genre, OP. 	
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Does it have to be a logic past the fact that I want to play this game? I want to keep playing this game. I quit once before because the fanboys, did their part in making almost everyone else leave with their annoying and insulting behavior. As far as I know there are mods who are in charge of the defense of this forum, not the self appointed fanboys. 
 
That being said, Wildstar is getting a second chance through F2P. I'll be damned if I'm gonna stay silent and watch the fanboys ruin it again. The faulty servers are enough. 	
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Do you think you should receive a price for your ridiculous patience? Is that what you are saying? What would you like? Let's see.
 
People ARE frustrated and people DEAL with frustration in different ways. And yes he's right, this isn't funny, it never was. 
 
And for those posting pictures... I got one that is a bit more educational:
 
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Then why don't you do all the fanboys a favor and go ahead and explain what it is you're actually doing to help.
 
Maybe it's just a miscommunication.  I'm open to an explanation behind all this constant whining and degradation of Carbine Studios and threatening to leave, not spend money, tell their friends not to play, take their guilds elsewhere, etc...
 
So let me know what part of any of this behavior is helping to expedite a solution.
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Does it have to be a logic past the fact that I want to play this game? I want to keep playing this game. I quit once before because the fanboys, did their part in making almost everyone else leave with their annoying and insulting behavior. As far as I know there are mods who are in charge of the defense of this forum, not the self appointed fanboys. 
 
That being said, Wildstar is getting a second chance through F2P. I'll be damned if I'm gonna stay silent and watch the fanboys ruin it again. The faulty servers are enough. 
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			Considering that Carbine post all their important updates on Twitter I just wish they would disable the forums during this mess. As much as the servers having issues may be causing a drop in player base, these alleged "entitled people" and "White knights" appear to be trying to drive one another from the game too. Guys you are trying to win an argument over the Internet, a feat that essentially is impossible and pretty much pointless.
			
				
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Maybe you should ask yourself how further pissing off people who are already pissed off is helping this game. 
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			Doing what the images are doing, only in laughter....lol	
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Don't dodge my request, give me an answer.
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Maybe you should ask yourself how further pissing off people who are already pissed off is helping this game. 
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LOL EPIC HAHAHA ITS ALMOST LIKE PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY A VIDEOGAME ROFL LMFAO so entitled smh
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What's the point?  All you are doing is gas lighting.  He's crying about the state of the game.  You're crying about his crying...everyone go find something else to do...unless you just like baiting frustration...in which case, makes you a prepubescent prick.  
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			But why?  Just leave them alone.  It doesn't hurt anyone to let them blow off steam on a forum.  Just leave it alone....unless I like said....you just "can't"? 	
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I don't see the problem.  I'm not sitting here riddling them with ad hominem attacks.  I'm attacking their behavior.
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But why?  Just leave them alone.  It doesn't hurt anyone to let them blow off steam on a forum.  Just leave it alone....unless I like said....you just "can't"? 
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Which doesn't make you any better than the OP, or the picture posters. You're attacking people, period.
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Those baby faces made me laugh :) Call me "crybaby" or whatever but that was actually funny.
 
Unlike the fact that I'm STILL stuck in loading screen. Bring the baby faces on ^^	
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Nah you're right, it's not funny and it sucks. However beyond voicing your frustration there isn't much ya can do...so might as well laugh at it.
Just gotta try to get in again, another time, or in my case just giggle and do something else for awhile.	
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 Take your own advice and "Go find something more productive" to do other than stir shit on a game forum.
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Carbine Studios is a company.
The people that work for Carbine Studios are not robots.
 
Imagine yourself, working produce at Wal-Mart or what have you.
You get to work, you notice that you forgot to order bananas last night so now you just don't have any.
The store manager makes his rounds and notices that you don't have any bananas out and you spend the next 20 minutes getting finger-wagged and being threatened with whatever consequences they're manufacturing for this particular incident. ( Keep in mind this will happen repeatedly over the course of the day as the angry customers add up and constantly pester the store manager as well with their complaints ) 
You're already on the low and you know that you're going to spend the rest of the day having to answer that same question "Where are the bananas?"
Some random disgruntled customer happens across the empty banana rack and singles you out and drags you through the shitter.
Another random disgruntled customer does the same thing.
Another customer
Another customer.
Another customer.
Another customer.
And they just keep piling up until the entire store is packed full of angry customers whining about bananas.
Are their complaints going to expedite the delivery of bananas? No.
Are they still complaining despite learning of the problem, hearing your apologies, etc...? Of course.
Now some random customer walks in, sees all the commotion, asks about what has happened to get some perspective, and then asks all of the angry customers to stop acting like children and find something more productive to do with their time.
Apparently, if we were to ask you, that random customer is just as childish as all the other customers.
 
Does that still sound like an acceptable interpretation of the situation?
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Nah you're right, it's not funny and it sucks. However beyond voicing your frustration there isn't much ya can do...so might as well laugh at it.
 
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Carbine Studios is a company.
The people that work for Carbine Studios are not robots.
 
Imagine yourself, working produce at Wal-Mart or what have you.
You get to work, you notice that you forgot to order bananas last night so now you just don't have any.
The store manager makes his rounds and notices that you don't have any bananas out and you spend the next 20 minutes getting finger-wagged and being threatened with whatever consequences they're manufacturing for this particular incident. ( Keep in mind this will happen repeatedly over the course of the day as the angry customers add up and constantly pester the store manager as well with their complaints ) 
You're already on the low and you know that you're going to spend the rest of the day having to answer that same question "Where are the bananas?"
Some random disgruntled customer happens across the empty banana rack and singles you out and drags you through the shitter.
Another random disgruntled customer does the same thing.
Another customer
Another customer.
Another customer.
Another customer.
And they just keep piling up until the entire store is packed full of angry customers whining about bananas.
Are their complaints going to expedite the delivery of bananas? No.
Are they still complaining despite learning of the problem, hearing your apologies, etc...? Of course.
Now some random customer walks in, sees all the commotion, asks about what has happened to get some perspective, and then asks all of the angry customers to stop acting like children and find something more productive to do with their time.
Apparently, if we were to ask you, that random customer is just as childish as all the other customers.
 
Does that still sound like an acceptable interpretation of the situation?
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Emphasis on the customer walking in...why do you care?  Take your own advice and "Go find something more productive" to do other than stir shit on a game forum.
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dont forget that those bananas where on sale with a special price and was advertised in the flier a week ahead of time and told they would be in stock.... and now add with days past that store is still not giving any signs of fixing the problem. at that point yes people have the right to be frustrated and say it.
 
EVERYONE deals with frustration differently.
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Some of people here make it look like I posted some nerd rage shit-storm :)
 
And I was just being cute little baby praying to RNGeezus to get past loading screen :(
Have mercy on my poor soul will'ya...	
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Some of people here make it look like I posted some nerd rage shit-storm :)
 
And I was just being cute little baby praying to RNGeezus to get past loading screen :(
Have mercy on my poor soul will'ya...
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Some of people here make it look like I posted some nerd rage shit-storm :)
 
And I was just being cute little baby praying to RNGeezus to get past loading screen :(
Have mercy on my poor soul will'ya...
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There is nothing more funny then people whining about stability issues.
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Carbine Studios is a company.
The people that work for Carbine Studios are not robots.
 
Imagine yourself, working produce at Wal-Mart or what have you.
You get to work, you notice that you forgot to order bananas last night so now you just don't have any.
The store manager makes his rounds and notices that you don't have any bananas out and you spend the next 20 minutes getting finger-wagged and being threatened with whatever consequences they're manufacturing for this particular incident. ( Keep in mind this will happen repeatedly over the course of the day as the angry customers add up and constantly pester the store manager as well with their complaints ) 
You're already on the low and you know that you're going to spend the rest of the day having to answer that same question "Where are the bananas?"
Some random disgruntled customer happens across the empty banana rack and singles you out and drags you through the shitter.
Another random disgruntled customer does the same thing.
Another customer
Another customer.
Another customer.
Another customer.
And they just keep piling up until the entire store is packed full of angry customers whining about bananas.
Are their complaints going to expedite the delivery of bananas? No.
Are they still complaining despite learning of the problem, hearing your apologies, etc...? Of course.
Now some random customer walks in, sees all the commotion, asks about what has happened to get some perspective, and then asks all of the angry customers to stop acting like children and find something more productive to do with their time.
Apparently, if we were to ask you, that random customer is just as childish as all the other customers.
 
Does that still sound like an acceptable interpretation of the situation?
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Meanwhile in crybaby's office... 
 
Embarking on another journey to get past loading screen!
Pray for meh! (or all of us :) )
 
EDIT: RNGeezus decided to crush my hope with 876th place in a queue. Well... 
And people wonder why are we mad... 
I'm sure if wait out this queue, which gona be like 1h or so, that I'll probably get stuck in loading again.
Maybe it's time just to give up and find something else to spend money on... ehh ?
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Do you think you should receive a price for your ridiculous patience? Is that what you are saying? What would you like? Let's see.
 
People ARE frustrated and people DEAL with frustration in different ways. And yes he's right, this isn't funny, it never was. 
 
And for those posting pictures... I got one that is a bit more educational:
 
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that boo hoo shit goes both ways.  The people in any oart of the game industry knew what they were signing up for when they took their jobs.  Its a cold, heartless envirionment just like retail.  Retail and the games industry will get no sympathy from me.  If a company puts out something that doesn't work and then has the nerve to complain about the negative feedback regarding their nonworking product they are insane.  The same holds true for the games industry.  People don't get this defensive about a game when its bug laden on release and people point out the bugs, do they?  Why the hell is this any different?  you people act like this is the initial release of Wildstar, which it isn't.
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Apparently, if we were to ask you, that random customer is just as childish as all the other customers.
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You're essentially telling people to turn a blind eye to people who are exhibiting bad behavior.
 
This is exactly the reason this is a problem in the first place.
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When self-entitled people learn that being self-entitled isn't acceptable, some of them will strive to be a better person.
 
I don't see the problem.  I'm not sitting here riddling them with ad hominem attacks.  I'm attacking their behavior.
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There's nothing "self entitled" about expecting a company you pay to deliver a service to actually deliver that service, in a reliable and timely fashion.
 
I am truly shocked at just how many people are happy to defend appalling standards of service.
 
I am truly shocked that we still get the "it was unexpected demand" defence; especially when the next most common defence is "every major update of any game ever has the same problems" - if that is the case (and it isn't) how can it be "unexpected"?
 
We even still get the "they can't simulate that kind of server load in testing" defence; well hello, wake up call time - they don't to simulate anything at all; they just need to look at the data from the last "unexpected demand" and then provide enough server capacity to meet at least that demand.
 
So yes, I genuinely believe that anyone even remotely attempting to defend this poor level of service is 1) an irrational and illogical fanboy, and 2)a significant part of the problem - your continued defence of these appalling standards of service is what makes these service providers feel "entitled" to continue delivering such appalling standards of service.
 
I work in the live entertainments industry, if the company I work for delivered even one opening night with the appalling standards we see repeatedly from game companies the entire staff would need to be looking for a new job the following week.  Because we take collective responsibility for delivering to expected standards first time, every time, all the time - and it is therefore incumbent on us all to step up and say "no, this just isn't good enough" if ever we see those standards slipping.  
 
All The Best
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to back up a guy with this amazing post I'll just say this:
 
My queue was shorter than I expected but it was still a QUEUE.
And yes, I'm still here sitting in LOADING SCREEN for past 10minutes.
 
Get your shit together folks... this launch is one bad joke. 
Game on the other hand is worth waiting for. 
Looking forward to fixes... hopefully... this......... YEAR ?!	
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to back up a guy with this amazing post I'll just say this:
 
My queue was shorter than I expected but it was still a QUEUE.
And yes, I'm still here sitting in LOADING SCREEN for past 10minutes.
 
Get your shit together folks... this launch is one bad joke. 
Game on the other hand is worth waiting for. 
Looking forward to fixes... hopefully... this......... YEAR ?!
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man i wish mine was shorter....mine started at 1 hour...ive been stuck at 3 minutes for about 20 now LOL
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			Apparently none of you can read if you think we are blindly defending, we are simply saying your not helping, the devs are not in full control of what happens in the company you know, use your brains, just because the product isnt up to what you consider quality does not mean you need blame the employee selling it.
			
				
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			So the US server still has problems :/ ? EU is fine, lagless even.	
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So the US server still has problems :/ ? EU is fine, lagless even.
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Do you think you should receive a price for your ridiculous patience? Is that what you are saying? What would you like? Let's see.
 
People ARE frustrated and people DEAL with frustration in different ways. And yes he's right, this isn't funny, it never was. 
 
And for those posting pictures... I got one that is a bit more educational:
 
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So the US server still has problems :/ ? EU is fine, lagless even.
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There's nothing "self entitled" about expecting a company you pay to deliver a service to actually deliver that service, in a reliable and timely fashion.
 
I am truly shocked at just how many people are happy to defend appalling standards of service.
 
I am truly shocked that we still get the "it was unexpected demand" defence; especially when the next most common defence is "every major update of any game ever has the same problems" - if that is the case (and it isn't) how can it be "unexpected"?
 
We even still get the "they can't simulate that kind of server load in testing" defence; well hello, wake up call time - they don't to simulate anything at all; they just need to look at the data from the last "unexpected demand" and then provide enough server capacity to meet at least that demand.
 
So yes, I genuinely believe that anyone even remotely attempting to defend this poor level of service is 1) an irrational and illogical fanboy, and 2) a significant part of the problem - your continued defence of these appalling standards of service is what makes these service providers feel "entitled" to continue delivering such appalling standards of service.
 
I work in the live entertainments industry, if the company I work for delivered even one opening night with the appalling standards we see repeatedly from game companies the entire staff would need to be looking for a new job the following week.  Because we take collective responsibility for delivering to expected standards first time, every time, all the time - and it is therefore incumbent on us all to step up and say "no, this just isn't good enough" if ever we see those standards slipping.  
 
All The Best
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Im over being nice and trying to defend this.
 
5 days, going on 6 and still unplayable, and the response the upset NEW players get is a spam of crying babies?
 
Do you people not remember why the game went free to play? Coz your little crew of white knight fan boys wasnt enough to support
 
the game. And this is how you welcome new players?
 
I encourage EVERYONE who is frustrated and simply trying to get in and try the game to link THIS THREAD in every forum topic discussing wildstar anywhere on the interent.
 
If this is the reception the so called "fans" want to give, Im more than happy to spread the word for you.	
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+1
 
 
this Sh_t right here is real
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There's nothing "self entitled" about expecting a company you pay to deliver a service to actually deliver that service, in a reliable and timely fashion.
 
I am truly shocked at just how many people are happy to defend appalling standards of service.
 
I am truly shocked that we still get the "it was unexpected demand" defence; especially when the next most common defence is "every major update of any game ever has the same problems" - if that is the case (and it isn't) how can it be "unexpected"?
 
We even still get the "they can't simulate that kind of server load in testing" defence; well hello, wake up call time - they don't to simulate anything at all; they just need to look at the data from the last "unexpected demand" and then provide enough server capacity to meet at least that demand.
 
So yes, I genuinely believe that anyone even remotely attempting to defend this poor level of service is 1) an irrational and illogical fanboy, and 2) a significant part of the problem - your continued defence of these appalling standards of service is what makes these service providers feel "entitled" to continue delivering such appalling standards of service.
 
I work in the live entertainments industry, if the company I work for delivered even one opening night with the appalling standards we see repeatedly from game companies the entire staff would need to be looking for a new job the following week.  Because we take collective responsibility for delivering to expected standards first time, every time, all the time - and it is therefore incumbent on us all to step up and say "no, this just isn't good enough" if ever we see those standards slipping.  
 
All The Best
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			But us subscribers make the game free for others as someone has to help pay for wages etc.	
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1.  This is the F2P launch, meaning most people aren't paying and the ones who do pay aren't obligated to pay to play.  So you opt to open your wallet at your own risk and by 'your own risk,' it's under the assumption that there are going to be problems at the launch.  This has been almost unanimous in every thread that I've seen filled with complaints.  "I knew it would be bad and there would be problems, but this is unacceptable."  So it's not a stretch to say that if you purchase something knowing that it would be faulty in the first place, it's not the company's fault that you purchased it and it was faulty. 
 
2.  I do not have to defend a buggy launch to be against acting like a child.  This isn't a simple case of feedback for a faulty product and to anyone who has presented their complaints in a courteous manner, this obviously doesn't apply to them.  But there's a bunch of people using this situation as an excuse to insult and degrade the people at Carbine Studios to make themselves feel better and that's simply not acceptable by the standards of anyone remotely civilized.
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			Hi Shivah!I'm sorry that you and many others are experiencing this issue! I agree, it's very frustrating when you want to play a game and you get stuck. I do want to let you know that this is an issue we're aware of and that we are working on it! Please hang in there and know that we are listening to you, and we appreciate that you took the time to bring it to our attention. :) 	
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I think you already know that you've just entered yourself into that circlejerk you're trying to use to criticize my agenda.
 
Contrary to your train of thought, self-entitled people aren't born self-entitled people.
 
Peer-shaming is one of the strongest exercises for social reform.
 
When self-entitled people learn that being self-entitled isn't acceptable, some of them will strive to be a better person.
 
I don't see the problem.  I'm not sitting here riddling them with ad hominem attacks.  I'm attacking their behavior.
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			omg chuwei that avatar is so cute	
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			Take a number sit down and watch whats on tv in the lobby.. were all frustrated...	
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Do you think you should receive a price for your ridiculous patience? Is that what you are saying? What would you like? Let's see.
 
People ARE frustrated and people DEAL with frustration in different ways. And yes he's right, this isn't funny, it never was. 
 
And for those posting pictures... I got one that is a bit more educational:
 
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Some of people here make it look like I posted some nerd rage shit-storm :)
 
And I was just being cute little baby praying to RNGeezus to get past loading screen :(
Have mercy on my poor soul will'ya...
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			The reaction towards new players in this thread is appalling. You realize wildstar died in the first place from a lack of support, yes? Do you want to go back to having nobody to play with? Do you want the relaunch to fail?It might be frustrating for you to deal with their frustrations, but if this is how you're going to act when you open your mouth, please do us all a favor and refrain from doing so. I don't want another dead game in two months because you couldn't stop running everyone off.	
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Wanna see just how replaceable you are? 
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Wanna see how many people said the exact same thing last year.
 
Turns out, they weren't that replaceable after the population exodus left realms completely dead, forced mergers and then the game went free to play to try and survive.
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LOL and to think I got hammered for a post that was deliberately inflammatory, and serves no purpose other than eliciting an emotional response from other members of the community....
 
Oh well unlike mine THIS ^^^ was hilarious!
 
I must say that my whole family and I laughed at the baby pics after the OP. What a hoot!  :P
			
				
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Choosing to be a Customer of a Product, and then being frustated and upset because the product does not meet up to expectations, can not be classified in any way shape or form as "self entitled".
 
All Players are customers because no one knows when a Player will become a payer. Encouragement is what's needed, not condemnation.
 
I know Carbine can fix this because I have experience with Carbine as a Player, but new Players do not. I encourage them to hang in there. I believe Carbine will fix this.
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Wanna see how many people said the exact same thing last year.
 
Turns out, they weren't that replaceable after the population exodus left realms completely dead, forced mergers and then the game went free to play to try and survive.
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The reaction towards new players in this thread is appalling. You realize wildstar died in the first place from a lack of support, yes? Do you want to go back to having nobody to play with? Do you want the relaunch to fail?
 
It might be frustrating for you to deal with their frustrations, but if this is how you're going to act when you open your mouth, please do us all a favor and refrain from doing so. I don't want another dead game in two months because you couldn't stop running everyone off.
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while i agree with ur (second) statement...i don't agree with ur first i think people have a right to state there opinion whether they are paying or free to play the whole reason this game is here is to make money....( no other reason).....if you are gonna putt a product out there and tell people that its ready people expect it to be ready...and while im sure some people are ready for the 1-2 issue then some minor ones to follow the days after....i think its time to let them know that we are a bit disappointed after 5 straight days of a game thats almost unplayable..........i know most people get on here and go about it the whole constructed criticism the wrong way but even then they deserve to be heard also ( i think we kinda just have to over look those) <---------yo know the whole don't feed the trolls thing :)
 
 
 
 
i'm very sorry you don't agree with my opinion that i'm sure i have a right to have............And please i'm sure you have better things to do with ur time than to call people names ( i hope any way)  i mean i don't even think that post is something to start name calling for....(my opinion) maybe im wrong :)
 
 
Anyway cya guys in game
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			Oh, wow, I was downloading the client, then I found this thread. Stopped the download. Seriously, you people are awful	
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Amusing as the images are, OP is just trying to experience the game for the first time and is frustrated that certain issues prevent him from doing so. Nothing wrong with being frustrated at that.
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Oh, wow, I was downloading the client, then I found this thread. Stopped the download. Seriously, you people are awful
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This thread is an insult and embarrassment to the community. The players who respond to the frustration of others with pictures of babies crying are a disgrace to any game community they touch. Talk about cancerous.
 
Personally I hope those posts get removed. They aren't even criticizing as one would desire in an arena of free speech, as critizism should always be protected in the name of free speech. Instead they are just downright bullying. If you want to bully, go to 4chan and do it (hell, even I sometimes bully people on 4chan. That is because that is the core culture of that website). Don't do it here. Don't do it to players who are interested in this game. Don't do it to the people who might support your damn game in the future. Just don't do it.	
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This is the forums. People bring negativity here in hopes of sabotoging the game. The community is MUCH better inside, believe me. ;). 
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This thread is an insult and embarrassment to the community. The players who respond to the frustration of others with pictures of babies crying are a disgrace to any game community they touch. Talk about cancerous.
 
Personally I hope those posts get removed. They aren't even criticizing as one would desire in an arena of free speech, as critizism should always be protected in the name of free speech. Instead they are just downright bullying. If you want to bully, go to 4chan and do it (hell, even I sometimes bully people on 4chan. That is because that is the core culture of that website). Don't do it here. Don't do it to players who are interested in this game. Don't do it to the people who might support your damn game in the future. Just don't do it.
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1. Ask yourself why this is a F2P launch in the first place before grabbing your ass and hopping about screaming people don't pay. This happened because enough people weren't paying so this formula was brought to the game to get people to pay as opposed to letting the game die off. It wasn't brought so you'd have an excused to call players who may or may not want to pay for this game - entitled. So how you give some of that unlimited understanding and sympathy you have for the devs and lend it to the players that are, to date, unable to play, ey boy? Especially to those who bought and were subscribed to the game.
 
2. But you are defending them. So why even bring it up? We both know that no matter how bad it gets you'll still defend them as if you are putting up a last stand against... upset customers. It's so *cupcake*ing epic! Why? Do you think there's a reward at the end of the tunnel waiting for you? Will they decorate you for valiantly insulting upset people over the forums during a period of crisis further stirring up the shit cause you just can't learn from the past and keep your moth shut, instead you continue to poison the forums whit your attitude, trying to get any upset player to leave cause you think it's a victory for you. Well it's not, boy, it's a great loss for this game. It's most likely lost a lot of customers due to these issues.  
 
You fanboys forced this game into F2P. Maybe it's time to shut the *cupcake*up for a while before you force it into the grave. Welcome new players. Go against your nature and for once, say something nice to an upset player instead of trying to run him out of town with forks and torches. 
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1.  This is the F2P launch, meaning most people aren't paying and the ones who do pay aren't obligated to pay to play.  So you opt to open your wallet at your own risk and by 'your own risk,' it's under the assumption that there are going to be problems at the launch.  This has been almost unanimous in every thread that I've seen filled with complaints.  "I knew it would be bad and there would be problems, but this is unacceptable."  So it's not a stretch to say that if you purchase something knowing that it would be faulty in the first place, it's not the company's fault that you purchased it and it was faulty. 
 
2.  I do not have to defend a buggy launch to be against acting like a child.  This isn't a simple case of feedback for a faulty product and to anyone who has presented their complaints in a courteous manner, this obviously doesn't apply to them.  But there's a bunch of people using this situation as an excuse to insult and degrade the people at Carbine Studios to make themselves feel better and that's simply not acceptable by the standards of anyone remotely civilized.
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Welcome entitled brats? Yea that will make matters worse, people who constantly whine because some other class does something unique they cannot do and will accuse it of being op, not to mention the other issues that people like that bring.
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Truth... Even though I chuckled - I understand OP's frustration, even though I didn't experience it myself yet.. :D
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I never said you did not have a right to an opinion, I said its not in line with the actual issue that people have a problem with in these forum. I did not call anyone names, I stated facts about how people are acting, I am sure you have better things to do then jumping to assumptions that you really dont know anything about, defending a community who screams and yells when things do not go there way. If people do not want to be called out then maybe they should calm down and be more constructive without feeling the need to constantly insult the devs.
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You. Are. *cupcake*ing. Cancer.
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Oh, wow, I was downloading the client, then I found this thread. Stopped the download. Seriously, you people are awful
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WOW ok everything in this thread and in my post and the guys post that i quoted on is all over these forums there not a single issue in this guys post that you cant find somewhere else...........
 
 
and go read my original post in this thread didnt really have a thing to do with thie person that started this thread.......and there wasnt anything in that person post that was anything negative about the devs look before you react ty
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This thread is an insult and embarrassment to the community. The players who respond to the frustration of others with pictures of babies crying are a disgrace to any game community they touch. Talk about cancerous.
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Exactly right. 
 
The OP was this:
It wasn't rude, it wasn't filled with obscenities, the OP didn't show up and rage. They simply made a post noting the problem and asking the devs to fix it. Nicely, I might add.
 
And what did they get in response? Picture after picture of crying babies and then a bunch of people laughing it up about it, with nothing more than gentle admonishment from other players for quite some time afterwards... and a tepid developer response to the OP that completely ignored the completely inappropriate string of responses that followed the OP. It's a textbook example of cyberbullying. 
 
And the pictures are still up 8 hours later, a real testament to the welcoming and friendly nature of this game's community and management.
 
This thread just confirmed every meme out there that says "Wildstar's community is toxic", so if that was your goal, congratulations on a real victory there.
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Hey Folks -
 
While the exasperated, red-faced frustration on that of a crying child is funny to some, it's not funny to most. Frustrations over the happenings are completely understandable, but mocking those who are frustrated isn't cool, so I removed the pics. Go ahead and continue to give us your feedback, but please don't pick on others, and instead try to be kind.
 
Cheers	
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			I do not think it was intended for the ops response, if you paid any attention to many of the posts beyond just this thread there are allot of hostile individuals towards the thread, people post crying babies in forums all the time, maybe its your first time seeing it but I suggest growing thicker skin, you have nothing to be upset about if you do not do it yourself.	
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Hey Folks -
 
While the exasperated, red-faced frustration on that of a crying child is funny to some, it's not funny to most. Frustrations over the happenings are completely understandable, but mocking those who are frustrated isn't cool, so I removed the pics. Go ahead and continue to give us your feedback, but please don't pick on others, and instead try to be kind.
 
Cheers
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Fanboys and whiteknights are disgusting. For almost a week this game remains unplayable and they attack anyone who is happy with that. And people in the game are just as bad, almost each time I log in to find out that horrific lag is still there just to see how fanboys attack in chat anyone who's to write even something as Innocent as "omg this lag again".
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Fanboys and whiteknights are disgusting. For almost a week this game remains unplayable and they attack anyone who is happy with that. And people in the game are just as bad, almost each time I log in to find out that horrific lag is still there just to see how fanboys attack in chat anyone who's to write even something as Innocent as "omg this lag again".
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1. Ask yourself why this is a F2P launch in the first place before grabbing your ass and hopping about screaming people don't pay. This happened because enough people weren't paying so this formula was brought to the game to get people to pay as opposed to letting the game die off. It wasn't brought so you'd have an excused to call players who may or may not want to pay for this game - entitled. So how you give some of that unlimited understanding and sympathy you have for the devs and lend it to the players that are, to date, unable to play, ey boy? Especially to those who bought and were subscribed to the game.
 
2. But you are defending them. So why even bring it up? We both know that no matter how bad it gets you'll still defend them as if you are putting up a last stand against... upset customers. It's so *cupcake*ing epic! Why? Do you think there's a reward at the end of the tunnel waiting for you? Will they decorate you for valiantly insulting upset people over the forums during a period of crisis further stirring up the shit cause you just can't learn from the past and keep your moth shut, instead you continue to poison the forums whit your attitude, trying to get any upset player to leave cause you think it's a victory for you. Well it's not, boy, it's a great loss for this game. It's most likely lost a lot of customers due to these issues.  
 
You fanboys forced this game into F2P. Maybe it's time to shut the *cupcake*up for a while before you force it into the grave. Welcome new players. Go against your nature and for once, say something nice to an upset player instead of trying to run him out of town with forks and torches. 
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Hey Folks -
 
While the exasperated, red-faced frustration on that of a crying child is funny to some, it's not funny to most. Frustrations over the happenings are completely understandable, but mocking those who are frustrated isn't cool, so I removed the pics. Go ahead and continue to give us your feedback, but please don't pick on others, and instead try to be kind.
 
Cheers
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The defenders where far calmer and more peaceful to begin with scroll a few pages back and look at all the insults from the doomsayers from the first 3 days of this and come back and say we are white knights.
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Nope, I have been reading this thread from the 1st page. Whiteknights were much more distasteful in the beggining, all the childish stuff from the fanboys at the end doesn't bother me. But their misplaced allegiance to the company that mistreats them that they try to present as being patien is truly sickening. They're doing a disservice to themselves and more importantly to others.
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Nope, I have been reading this thread from the 1st page. Whiteknights were much more distasteful in the beggining, all the childish stuff from the fanboys at the end doesn't bother me. But their misplaced allegiance to the company that mistreats them that they try to present as being patien is truly sickening. They're doing a disservice to themselves and more importantly to others.
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			The only feedback worth giving is to tell Carbine to get their act together. This is by far one of the most unprepared, unprofessional handling of a game re-launch I have seen. At this point it doesn't even matter when Carbine manages to fix the problem (which I don' feel they can in any adequate sense of time), they have completely destroyed any credibility or confidence they had remaining in the eyes of the new consumers they were hoping to gain. It's only a mtter of time before it comes crashing down. The clock is ticking and we all know it, even if we don;t want to admit.	
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Trying to put a different perspective here.
 
Here are the facts that we can all agree upon:
 
1. The servers are not 100%.
 
2. The server issue has been brought to Carbine's attention.
 
3. Carbine has been updating us via Twitter as they work towards a solution.
 
 
That being said, can you please tell me how the whining, crying, and throwing tantrums fits in to help speed up diagnostics?	
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The only feedback worth giving is to tell Carbine to get their act together. This is by far one of the most unprepared, unprofessional handling of a game re-launch I have seen. At this point it doesn't even matter when Carbine manages to fix the problem (which I don' feel they can in any adequate sense of time), they have completely destroyed any credibility or confidence they had remaining in the eyes of the new consumers they were hoping to gain. It's only a mtter of time before it comes crashing down. The clock is ticking and we all know it, even if we don;t want to admit.
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That being said, can you please tell me how the whining, crying, and throwing tantrums fits in to help speed up diagnostics?
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			Well guys... you really did a huge deal out of thin air. I don't really see the logic about complaining about something free, like the devs OWN you something.On the another hand, being harsh on a educated complain (like the OP did) it's not cool.I don't recall wich of you guys said it but: wait for a week. Try log in if you want, but don't get salty about it. If the game don't loads, or you are getting lag from the deepest of the burning hells, don't be stuborn and try to play something else (or do anything you like, read, write, bla bla bla).I find that the Dudeism would do wonders here.	
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It doesn't. Nor does it need to, since the people who have been openly encouraged to come here and try out the game are not in fact being paid by Carbine Studios to do their diagnostics for them.
 
Now here's a few questions for you.
 
Can you please tell me why people who have a valid and completely justified complaint should feel obliged to refrain from expressing their frustration?
Can you please tell me why you think that mocking potential and/or existing customers and encouraging them to leave is helpful to a game that is struggling to improve player recruitment and retention?
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You can express your frustration with something in a civil manner without being abrasive or over-defensive.
 
Problems have happened with this launch and I myself have gotten caught by lag, login loops, and disconnects.  I understand the frustration people have from being unable to play a game that they want to play.  Coming onto these forums and yelling at Carbine or the other people here does nothing but spread the frustration around.
 
Carbine is trying to understand exactly where the issues are coming from and fix them.  Updates, as relevant as they can be, are coming out on twitter and largely consist of "we're still working on the problem" simply because there's nothing that your average consumer would find relevant from a more detailed response.  Yelling at Carbine for issues that happened outside of their control (and it's very nearly impossible to catch most launch issues prior to a launch) and have been working hard to fix it.
 
So yelling at Carbine is fruitless, because they're working hard on the problem.  That doesn't mean it's okay to yell at other people on the forums.
 
Don't call people 'white knights' when they're trying to get folks to calm down and be patient.  Being rowdy and abrasive isn't going to make you feel any better and it certainly isn't going to make Wildstar get fixed any faster.  Don't attack people that are frustrated because I'm pretty sure most people have had one time or another where something they wanted to do was just stonewalling them and they got upset about it.  Try to understand where people are coming from and why and maybe we can all just get along.
 
You can be far more constructive with how you feel about what's going on here and now than making and posting in threads that call out Carbine or attack 'fanboys' and 'white knights'.
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Cmon folks, this is ONLY launch where I have no problems with queues.
I get in game and I actually get stuck in.. ... ... loading screen.
 
What??
 
Please... can you make it right so I can finaly see what's beyond first zone after tutorial... please ?
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what is SO abrasive about the OP in this thread to deserve being mocked ? is it really abrasive asking to see more of the game because hes enjoyed what hes seen so far? really?
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I named no names.  The fact that people HAVE been getting abrasive (like, say, by posting crying baby pictures I guess?) is evidence enough.
 
Please don't make wild assumptions about what people say, it isn't helpful.
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wait it is a wild assumption to think you are referencing the original poster in the same topic created by the original poster wherein most discussion is about the original poster and similar posts?
 
so theres what i just described, im entitled coz im a sub and i cant play the game i pay for for 6 days. Free to play players are garbage and should get out, the game was fine without any extra income
 
CMs are deleting pictures but putting perfrect descriptions of what was deleted in their moderation post.
 
EVERYTHING about this entire thing is crazy pants. i mean, is this real life? this is insanity like for real!
 
 
ya, im going to get a pumpkin spice latte coz i cant even right now
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Can you please tell me why people who have a valid and completely justified complaint should feel obliged to refrain from expressing their frustration?
 
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Common cupcaking human decency. Frustration is a part of life, we're all frustrated. What seperates children from adults is not being whiny dicks about something everyone is frustrated about. 
 
Anyone who is immature enough to publish their frustration in the form of vitriol on a public forum has no place in it. Clearly too many kids today skip the lessons in the Disney classics, for example:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGt9jAkWie4
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Common cupcaking human decency. Frustration is a part of life, we're all frustrated. What seperates children from adults is not being whiny dicks about something everyone is frustrated about. 
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You are aware that you don't actually have to read a thread when the title makes it clear that the OP is a complaint, right?
I just ask because you seem to think other people are responsible for obeying your preferences in discussion topic. That is simply incorrect.
You are not required to read their post, much less read it and then complain about having read it.
If they become sufficiently annoying, you can even ignore them or report them or both.
 
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Everyone is responsible for their own actions, that includes what they publish on the internet. It has nothing to do with my preferences. We as a society have rules of etiquette called "manners". I am no more responsible for what they are then you are Yaz, but we are all obligated to follow them as part of a civil society.
 
 
 
These are all excellent examples of me responding to immature children on these forums. Thank's for reminding me how frequent it's become since F2P launched. Of course a sharp retort (which all of those are) is not a vitriolic rant, but then we can't all be throwing tantrums all around the forums now can we?
 
With the amount of stalking you do on my posts I'm starting to think you like me Yaz :3 
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Apparently none of you can read if you think we are blindly defending, we are simply saying your not helping, the devs are not in full control of what happens in the company you know, use your brains, just because the product isnt up to what you consider quality does not mean you need blame the employee selling it.
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This game needs this relaunch to go well. NCsoft has absolutely no problems with shutting games down. I was a player of City of Heroes and Lineage, they are both gone now and they had a decent amount of regular players.
 
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1.  This is the F2P launch, meaning most people aren't paying and the ones who do pay aren't obligated to pay to play.  So you opt to open your wallet at your own risk and by 'your own risk,' it's under the assumption that there are going to be problems at the launch.  This has been almost unanimous in every thread that I've seen filled with complaints.  "I knew it would be bad and there would be problems, but this is unacceptable."  So it's not a stretch to say that if you purchase something knowing that it would be faulty in the first place, it's not the company's fault that you purchased it and it was faulty. 
 
2.  I do not have to defend a buggy launch to be against acting like a child.  This isn't a simple case of feedback for a faulty product and to anyone who has presented their complaints in a courteous manner, this obviously doesn't apply to them.  But there's a bunch of people using this situation as an excuse to insult and degrade the people at Carbine Studios to make themselves feel better and that's simply not acceptable by the standards of anyone remotely civilized.
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I have, once, walked out of a job because the management failed to plan to deliver the standards that I knew our customers demanded.  It is called having respect for 1) your own work, and 2) the customer.
 
So yes, some of the blame does lay with the Devs for not manning up and standing up to whatever part of the company thinks delivering such appalling standards of service is acceptable.
 
And the Devs don't "sell" the product, they "make" it - there was a time, not too long ago, when craftsmen had pride in their work, apparently those days are gone.
 
All The Best
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1) Ah the "its F2P" excuse.  How lame.  If I gave you a free burger, and it contained rotten meat and poisoned you, would you just think that was OK because it was Free?  I was offering you a product that you quite naturally had certain expectations of standards about - namely that it was edible.  
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You assume that game development for an MMO affords the devs control over what happens to the product once it goes live.
 
I mean it does...to an extent.  It's not entirely possible to perform accurate enough testing prior to a launch to prepare for all the things that can go wrong shifting from the testing phase to live.  While there certainly have been circumstances with other companies and games where a product was rushed out before it was complete, leading to problems and irate customers etc., I find it unlikely that the problems with Wildstar right now fall into that catagory.
 
They tested what they could, prepared for what they could, and in the end things still broke regardless.  They've been working for days to fix it but code is complicated as hell and you can't just slap some duct tape on it and call it dandy.
 
A lot of people don't seem to understand just how complex MMOs are, much less how complicated code in game development can get.  Too many feel like this is an issue that's more along the lines of 'somebody accidentally bumped a switch and now it's off but we're too lazy to turn it back on' instead of 'we don't know what exactly broke or how to fix it without breaking something else'.
 
I think it also seems a little rude to imply that the devs here don't take pride in their work...but that could just be me misinterpreting what you're saying.
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I assume that the Devs have pride in their work and are man enough to stand up and say something when someone else threatens the standards they set for themselves.
 
To be honest I fail to see how any rationale being could take pride in what has so far happened since the F2P Patch.  
 
All The Best
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If you were just some random guy on the street that handed me a free burger?  It would definitely be my fault for eating rotten food and not wondering why some strange person is giving it to me or inspecting whatever it is I'm going to shove into my gob.  There's no reason for someone to expect the product you'd be handing out for free to be good if you don't present yourself as someone certified to do so (in this case, some manner of burger chef and/or salesperson).
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Please, stop it with is "the gaming industry is different to all other industries so your comparison is invalid" nonsense.
 
It really is simple, I'll even explain it to you.
 
1) There is a product.
2) There is company delivering that product.
3) That company has employees.
4) All of the company's employees are tasked with delivering a product that meets the expectations of the targeted consumer demographic.
5) The company needs to be profitable.
6) Companies that fail to meet consumer expectation have no right to expect to be profitable.
 
That is how ALL business works.
 
All of them, without exception.
 
All The Best
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See my previous comment
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I assume that the Devs have pride in their work and are man enough to stand up and say something when someone else threatens the standards they set for themselves.
 
To be honest I fail to see how any rationale being could take pride in what has so far happened since the F2P Patch.  
 
All The Best
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Ditto.
 
All The Best
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I don't think you understand how programming works, do you?
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I trouble-shot, field tested and created the End User documentation for a bespoke CRM database used by the Mayor Of London's office - so, yes, I have some understanding of how programming works - by Brother In Law was the project lead.
 
But my points remain valid regardless of the particular industry involved - that is simply how business works.
 
All The Best
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Well I mean that definitely makes you qualified to weigh in on how an MMO should always launch flawlessly because it's impossible for a program to break when you've got hundreds of thousands of different people with different computers accessing it from around the globe.
 
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1) There is a product.
2) There is a company delivering that product.
3) That company has employees.
4) All of the company's employees are tasked with delivering a product that meets the expectations of the targeted consumer demographic.
5) The company needs to be profitable.
6) Companies that fail to meet consumer expectation have no right to expect to be profitable.
 
Find me one industry sector where that doesn't hold true.
 
All The Best
 
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So where do the problems that crop up outside of the control of the employees fit into your little checklist?  
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Which problems pertaining to the F2P Patch are you suggesting were outside of the control of Carbine employees?
 
All The Best
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Which problems pertaining to the F2P Patch are you suggesting were outside of the control of Carbine employees?
 
All The Best
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Login loops, disconnects, excessive lag, and unavailable transfer errors to name a few of the ones I've experienced and seen.
 
I mean did you just miss how they said they had to add new temporary servers in order to help address some of the issues that were uniquely happening because of the flood of players that came with F2P?
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I didn't miss what they said; I just don't believe it.
 
One of the excuses given for the poor patch performance was that "all MMOs have these problems at these times".
 
So there can't really have been any surprises in it for Carbine can there?  They will have had all of their own data from previous patches.  They will have had all of the publicly available data about other games going from Sub to F2P - LOTRO was quite open about their login numbers following the transition to F2P for example.
 
They know the server load overheads form EVERY patch they have ever made, they know how many player return for such a patch.
 
There are always problems with MMO launches because that is what consumer continue to allow to happen.
 
And, again, this WASN'T a launch - it was just a patch that changed, among other things, the payment/access parameters.
 
The gaming industry has tons of data about launches, patches, server loads for patches, switching from Sub to F2P.
 
There is no way to defend them using the "it was unexpected" excuse.
 
For the record I have never experienced a patch day with such poor service standards in any other game, and I've been playing WoW since just after BC, LOTRO since just after MoM, and SWTOR since day one of live, among others.
 
Carbine / NCSoft had more than enough data to predict an upsurge in server loads, and should have ensured that enough capacity was available to at least match their previous peak usage data.
 
They CHOSE not to.
 
All The Best
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OTOH sometimes the truth of the matter isn't nice to hear, but needs to be said....
 
So I just checked up front and the Baby pics got removed... Mean spirited? Maybe so but it was also Hilariously funny I thought. But we can't be funny and truthful anymore it seems cause of the current way the world revolves. Around us...  And truth is and its a simple fact, no one with any sense would drive a car that ran like this or use a tool that performed like this has... Yea they will get it fixed I have no doubt, but they HAD to know beforehand how it was before they put it in the front window display for all to see... You see timelines and contract dates have to be met, whether its ready, or not. Free to play it is, but Money is involved and thats the bottom line. And if I really am wrong about all this (and Im not) , then Ive given them way more credit than they deserve.
			
				
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OTOH sometimes the truth of the matter isn't nice to hear, but needs to be said....
 
So I just checked up front and the Baby pics got removed... Mean spirited? Maybe so but it was also Hilariously funny I thought. But we can't be funny and truthful anymore it seems cause of the current way the world revolves. Around us...  And truth is and its a simple fact, no one with any sense would drive a car that ran like this or use a tool that performed like this has... Yea they will get it fixed I have no doubt, but they HAD to know beforehand how it was before they put it in the front window display for all to see... You see timelines and contract dates have to be met, whether its ready, or not. Free to play it is, but Money is involved and thats the bottom line. And if I really am wrong about all this (and Im not) , then Ive given them way more credit than they deserve.
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Professional IT people are involved. Trust me they know, or they wouldn't be in the business... And also don't forget, this isn't their first MMO rodeo.
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