145597-why-does-this-game-have-no-twitch-viewers

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			The game seems to be living rather well, it's fun, it seems like people would want to watch it more than say a point and click game like wow.....For the life of me I cant see why Wildstars representation on twitch is almost the worst...Are people noticing a decline of people on? Are people venting on reddit or something? I DONT UNDERSTAND!	
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I don't really know but I can say that the game is a bit confusing to just watch, specially if the viewer has no deep knowledge of the content going on.
Even as a day 1 player, sometimes raid streams get really confusing, since you only have a single PoV of the fight. If you're not familiar with the mechanics, it's nothing more than bright flashes and red floor. hehe	
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Some game genres don't spectate very well, and in my opinion MMORPG's are one of them.
 
Take WoW for example, even in it's less than prime state it has more subs than Wildstar ever will, and it's twitch audience is laughable at times.
 
FFXIV which is a very good game in my opinion, again has a pretty decent sub amount, and it usually always has less than 1k people watching all streams.
			
				
	Edited October 28, 2015 by Kurtsey	
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Simple.... MMOs aren't popular to watch on twitch.
 
Twitch streams != popularity of a game.
 
Wow is insanely popular, but has crap twitch viewership, because its an MMO.  MMOs are boring to watch.	
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I normally stream on instagib with friends. We have a rotation for different times of the day and we stream Wii U, Xbox, PS4, and PC. I do stream in twitch from time to time but i really need to setup restream so i can hit all of them at once. I keep forgetting to set it up, real life gets in the way sometimes.
 
As far as MMOs being boring to watch that depends on what you are doing. IMO when a MMO is new people don't mind watching the level up process however as it runs its coarse that gets stale. PvP tends to keep people interested as it sparks an interest just like MOBAs. Raiding on the other hand doesn't really strike peoples fancy for too long once you have done the same raid a few times. When i raid in WoW i notice a drop in watchers compared to when I PvP. Granted me and my friends only have a small following of 20 to 25 people so what do i know  :D	
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I personality use youtube for all my viewing needs. My Twitch account had problems for some odd reason and avoid twitch since.
 
I had no problems on youtube and had it for years.	
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			Just as many said in this thread is that when it comes to mmorpg for viewing. Pve isn't it's strongest points, but pvp is. However this game pvp is mostly a aoe fest than single target as you see in other mmorpgs pvp.  So the audience would get lost or be disinterested unless a popular twitch mmorpg player such as Bajheera is playing. 	
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			Watching a free mmorpg on stream when you could be playing it yourself? yeah no dice....not to mention the game got a nasty reputation.	
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Some game genres don't spectate very well, and in my opinion MMORPG's are one of them.
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Watching a free mmorpg on stream when you could be playing it yourself? yeah no dice....not to mention the game got a nasty reputation.
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Simple.... MMOs aren't popular to watch on twitch.
 
Twitch streams != popularity of a game.
 
Wow is insanely popular, but has crap twitch viewership, because its an MMO.  MMOs are boring to watch.
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Most of the top games are free. Need personalities, a competitive scene, or hot chicks. God forbid they have all three.
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Main reason is because it's an MMO. They just never have good viewership. What is at the top tends to be MOBAs, FPS, or whatever the big popular game currently is. After that, it really just comes down the streamer themselves who people are tuning into regardless of the game  But generally, competitive type games get more views.  If perhaps Wildstar had a larger PVP scene, there might be some more following. Or if there was some big expansion that came out (which is why GW2 is currently higher in the charts).
 
Also probably doesn't help that Wildstar can be very confusing to watch for the uninitiated. In a PVP match there's a LOT of telegraphs everywhere, so it can really look like a cluttered mess. PVE isn't much better when you got a raid of 20 people stacking behind a boss.	
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well there is Dodger...but she gave the game a pass cause final fantasy has cat people =w=.
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Popularity on twitch does not equal popularity of game.
 
Most of the time, on twitch all it shows that a popular streamer is playing a game if it is on the front page. There are very few games on there that have multitudes of streamers on one game. Even then, it just doesn't show the popularity of the game lol. And i honestly find it sad for people that think it does. It could be an indication of the games popularity, but to a very limited audience. 	
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It's funny... one of the key reasons that MMOs are hard to watch is because having so many buttons leads to ability spam and poor animations on individual skills.  This game tries to do away with that issue with the LAS... but it just ends up being a red/green circle aoe spam instead, making it just as hard to watch.
 
Games like MOBAs are designed with watchability in mind first and foremost.  This is why there are so few skills per character.  It means that every ability from the flashiest ult to the most mundane mana pot has clear and distinct animations without as much visual clutter.  Fewer abilities also leads to a higher need to "save it for the right time" as well, which further reduces clutter.  Even then, events like tournaments can still be unintelligible to the average viewer without the shoutcasters making sense of it all.
 
I find that the streamers that I return to most often are the ones who can do a verbal play-by-play to help me understand what's going on, especially when it's a pro that I'm trying to learn how to play from.
			
				
	Edited October 29, 2015 by Pancakewarrior	
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I used to stream quite regularly.
 
I might again once the lag issue is more sorted, and season 2 begins. For now it'd just be boring housing stuff and me farming battlegrounds all day long.	
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I used to stream quite regularly.
 
I might again once the lag issue is more sorted, and season 2 begins. For now it'd just be boring housing stuff and me farming battlegrounds all day long.
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Games like MOBAs are designed with watchability in mind first and foremost.  This is why there are so few skills per character.
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1. because you rather play Wildstar than watch it. like all mmos you want to develop your character and play the content yourself. Its a multiplayer game, ie you want to play with others not watch a stream on your own.
2. because its confusing to watch if you tune in if you dont know the game and even if you know the game you might not know the encounter. If you compare it to hearthstone, if you tune in you see the board, the hand and you can listen to 1 person explaining the fight or joking around. you understand whats going on and learn something or just have a fun time. you dont have to watch all the time because its so easy to see whats going on. In WS the situations are more complex and require the viewer to pay attention. and not everything might interest him.
3. because no big name streams wildstar for more than a week so you are stuck with low quality streams and rather watch something else. low quality stream = no partner so you cant stream with the best settings or "bad/boring" gameplay whatever that means to you.	
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Most of the posters are full of gas.
 
Any mmo can have a truckload of twitch viewers.
 
1. If the game is good (WoW is NOT good, neither is Wildstar)
2. If the streamer is popular (because he's good or a clown)
 
If you have both 1 AND 2 you get 40-50k people watching Sodappopin getting absolutely destroyed in B&S pvp.
 
Being a girl streamer has minimal impact on the number of viewers, it may top at Kaceytron/Hafu levels, one being a clown, the other being halfway decent. And they play popular games!
 
 
Regarding the OP, the reason Wildstar has so very few twitch viewers is because it's not polished. For example, the vast majority of combat skills are bad or buggy, meaning that most people use a very small number of builds so for a twitch viewer everything looks the same. That feeling of "samey", "bland", "stale" or "boring" is probably the number one reason for the low viewer count.
 
Put it a different way, the devs thought out most pve/pvp encounters with crowd control in mind, and expect all players to have 2 crown control related skills on their bars, yet classes have at most four such skills, not eight, to choose from.
			
				
	Edited October 29, 2015 by MegaDeth666	
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Most of the posters are full of gas.
 
Any good mmo can have a truckload of twitch viewers.
 
1. If the game is good (WoW is NOT good, neither is Wildstar)
2. If the streamer is popular (because he's good or a clown)
 
If you have both 1 AND 2 you get 40-50k people watching Sodappopin getting absolutely destroyed in B&S pvp.
 
Being a girl streamer has minimal impact on the number of viewers, it may top at Kaceytron/Hafu levels, one being a clown, the other being halfway decent. And they play popular games!
 
 
Regarding the OP, the reason Wildstar has so very few twitch viewers is because it's not polished. For example, the vast majority of combat skills are bad or buggy, meaning that most people use a very small number of builds so for a twitch viewer everything looks the same. That feeling of "samey", "bland", "stale" or "boring" is probably the number one reason for the low viewer count.
 
Put it a different way, the devs thought out most pve/pvp encounters with crowd control in mind, and expect all players to have 2 crown control related skills on their bars, yet classes have at most four such skills, not eight, to choose from.
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 Maybe mmos are just plain boring to watch some one else do because.. well its boring.
Maybe if someone figured out how to make it fun to watch.. it might take off..	
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 Maybe mmos are just plain boring to watch some one else do because.. well its boring.
Maybe if someone figured out how to make it fun to watch.. it might take off..
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			watching someone else play an rpg .... most boring thing i can think of	
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MMO's are boring to watch being played.
 
They are more about personal player growth which isn't exciting to watch and even though the combat can be pretty fast paced it is still a slow game and they aren't the most fun to sit and watch.
 
Add to that, most MMO players would rather be playing than sitting around watching other people play.
 
Personally i've never got into the whole Twitch/Youtube thing. I'd rather be playing a game than watching, the whole concept bores me. Gaming is like Snooker and Golf for me, I love playing but I get bored as all hell watching other people play.	
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Where do you get this idea from? Most of what you're talking about with the few skills is legacy from WC3 limitations. I think they keep it because it is easier to balance. But skill, camera, item wise... They play exactly the same as DotA, and 5vs5 in the original WC3 lobby left no room for spectators. While I have no doubt they do certain things to help improve watchability in the newer MOBAs, most of it is just lucky carry over from the fact that the original game is built in a competitive RTS engine.
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Personally I cant watch MMOs on Twitch. It just seems... boring : /
 
 	
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			All the Twitch streamers are stuck in Thayd due to the infinite loading screen bug.	
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			well.....I watched playthroughs and such of all kinds of games.....including this one...and for me, I wanted to play those games....which is why I'm here	
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Wildstar still has this "game that failed" stigma, hence people aren't too interested.
It also lacks the huge names, guilds and personalities that attract viewers. Aka the self-proclaimed eVIPs that don't stream to show a game but to show themselves, fish for donations and move on to the next game they can use to push their own popularity.
 
One night i found Wildstar having around 2000 viewers, while it's usually around 100-150. Checking in i found one of these twitch-clowns streaming, throwing peanuts at his monitor, screaming at the game, not able to accomplish the easiest tasks in the game under his own hollering. Yet he dragged like 1900 viewers with him that cheered him in the chat with LOOOOLS, ROFLZZZ, KEK and "your mom!!".
 
I went on to another channel that had 0 viewers at that time, had a nice conversation with that guy who was a firsttime player and a little overwhelmed. I provided some answers to the best of my own newbie-knowledge and a Bandit Carver code which totally made his day. He is still playing until today and got another friend to play with him.
 
Quantity =/= Quality
			
				
	Edited October 30, 2015 by f234r2gh	
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shameless plug... if you want to see some DS raiding... www.twitch.tv/h4vix :)
 
Right now since my wife and I recently welcomed our son to the world, I have been on more of a backup status. But lately, I have been streaming again :)	
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watching other people play MMO's is right up there with watching paint dry and watching grass grow on the bore O' meter
 
It's just not entertaining. at all.	
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the initial boom is gone and now it has 5 viewers on twitch outside of raiding times (2 of those are prolly the 2 streamers, so 3 viewers).
noone who is semi-serious with streaming is getting into WS and therefore alot of players dont know of it or dont bother getting to know it better.	
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I wouldn't blame the MMO genre itself, imo it's the type of contents that makes a game good/bad to stream.
What do ppl enjoy watching? Challenging contents like PvP (fps, arena, moba) and PvE games that requires some skills, like Osun or puzzle games.
So ppl that aren't that good at above contents might watch them on twitch to learn something or enjoying other ppl recking scrubs. A lot of ppl watch WoW arena stream for instance but raid streams get much less views, raids aren't just the more entertaining type of content.
 
I think if Wildstar had a better PvP community and more reasons (incentives) to play pvp streams would be more popular and boost up game's views. But watching some random dude leveling up is just boring, not because it's a MMO but due to the contents.
Twitch is about competitive games and WS atm just doesn't fit in this category.	
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			As a MMO Player, why would I watch other Players play a MMO? When instead I could just spend time playing the MMO myself? ;)
			
				
	Edited November 20, 2015 by Gardavil	
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Honestly, I get MAYBE a max of 10 viewers when I stream. And I only stream raids at the moment (M-W 7:30pm-10:30pm CST).
 
Granted, most of it is progression, so one or two nights a week may be us just constantly wiping on Avatus (We are on the final phase now). From what I see, the demand for twitch is usually just other raids trying to figure out what we are doing. OR, it's just guild members watching my group (main raid group) for pointers, and/or watch us for the laughs.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwh2xxjy31I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6P7KFEelXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qPZNfoZ1aY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bUgKaYWLsQ(mature subject matter :P) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIWQpdW2Fso(This one is one of my favorites... we were working on lattice for progression a while back, you can skip to the end after the first 30s and hear our exchange about what he did)	
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			I play ws now but my true love is wow. Tbo wow is more easy to watch. The telegraphs in ws realy hurt the eyes. ..I Only have to red enemy on. ..none of my own or friendly players ones. Most twitchers forget to turn it off.	
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