Report 925

Report #925
Skillset: Astrology Skill: Aapek
 Org: Shadowdancers Status: Rejected Jul 2012
Furies' Decision:
Rejected. We don't feel it is necessary to replace scabies in this instance.
Problem: Aapek, the seventh and widely regarded most useful planet in terms of
Astrology abilities, has the potential to afflict targets with a possible hit of
aeon, anorexia, or scabies. Of the three, scabies, when compared to the other
two, is largely lacking in terms of effectiveness. This report aims to address
this disparity in affliction formidability so that all results given by Aapek
could be regarded as equally threatening.
Solution #1: Replace Aapek's Mutable scabies affliction with paralysis.
Solution #2: Replace Aapek's Mutable scabies affliction with vapors.
Solution #3: Replace Aapek's Mutable scabies affliction with a short (1 -
 1.5s) stun.
Player Comments:
---[Shuyin on 7/15 @ 20:54 writes]:
Any solution is fine
---[Asmodea on 7/16 @ 00:37 writes]:
OPPOSED. I don't see the need for this and fail to see why wanting to make all
the afflictions equally threatening is a necessary reason to change the skill.
Every skill is different, and have good and bad parts to them, its the nature of
skills, and the nature of Astrology, being that its unpredictable. We could all
argue black and blue to get every skill equally threatening, but that would be
crazy and unrealistic. If there is a combat or mechanics reason behind removing
Scabies, then I am all ears. :)
---[Silvanus on 7/16 @ 02:33 writes]:
I'm going to have oppose this as well. Just because scabies is not important for
your guild as an Astrologist, you have to understand that any method to give
scabies as a Nihilist is beneficial. There is more then one guild that uses
Astrology, and I do not think you took into account what this will do to
Nihilist Astrologers, nor the importance of a balance loss afflicting skill to a
class that relies on it.
---[Enyalida on 7/16 @ 18:18 writes]:
I agree with Asmodea. A great many skills that do random/varying afflictions are
balanced by 'filler afflictions' that take up space on the list to lessen the
surety of getting a great affliction with that skill. Scabies can be useful for
some guilds (that get astrology), so it's not even that much of a filler!
---[Enyalida on 7/16 @ 18:18 writes]:
To be clear, I agree with the above two and am OPPOSING this on the grounds that
the problem is a non-problem.
---[Lyria on 7/17 @ 01:02 writes]:
I don't see why astrology has to have "filler afflictions" that have no real
use. Just because astrology changes and is slightly "random" doesn't meant it
should be bad sometimes and good others. That's a pretty ridiculous thing. Yes
Silvanus, you are correct that Nihilists use scabies, but you can give it via
symbol, demon, and contagion. There will be no real difficulty for Nihilists if
it's a 1/3 chance in astrology. This change benefits everyone who uses
astrology, not just Nihilists. The argument being made here is that scabies is
just not useful. It doesn't help sleep locks, it does not help aeon locks. It's
only Nihilists that use it to a degree of any note, and I believe I addressed
that earlier with the multiple ways they are able to afflict with it. The
solutions listed benefit everyone without being overly powerful or tipping the
scales.
---[Sondayga on 7/17 @ 11:02 writes]:
All the solutions sound fine, Solution 1 is more favorable to me.
---[Hiriako on 7/17 @ 17:46 writes]:
For 4 out of the 6 guilds using Astrology, scabies is really a bit of a waste.
Though I do agree that it's useful for Nihilists with Scabies being a beneficial
affliction (speed/ability to cast two at once overpowers other methods of giving
it), I'd think that vapors or paralysis is still quite potent. I wouldn't mind
seeing solution 1 or 2.
---[Talan on 7/19 @ 04:22 writes]:
OPPOSED, agree with Asmodea and Silvanus.
---[Shuyin on 7/19 @ 07:17 writes]:
I think a big difference between skills whose effects reliably occur vs. skills
whose effects occur only when very specific conditions have been met should be
taken into account. For example, an effect that randomly does
paralysis/stupidity/confusion/lol/wtf every tick is much preferable to a skill
that only does one of these effects 100% of the time every 13 hours. With the
former, you can at least cast the effect and you will -eventually- get the
preferred affliction, but with the latter, you better hope that you're fighting
Bob the griefer on Roarkian the 15th year 764 if you hope to have that critical
aff to kill him with. I personally feel like that there is too much RNG in this
game and for a system that supposedly is deisgned to reward player skill and
ingenuity, there is a very, very, very -big- luck factor involved. P.S. The
belief that some skills are just supposed to be 'trash' is very silly. So any
solution is fine with me.
---[Silvanus on 7/21 @ 09:10 writes]:
Hiriako: It kind of makes sense for 4 out of the 6 guilds (66% of it) to only be
able to use 2 out of the 3 afflictions (66% of it). To Shuyin: I'd just like to
point out that Nihilists can't really capitilize on anorexia (no aeon, having to
rely on demon or beast spit to get stupidity, still no aeon for sleeplock), nor
are they focused enough in giving out precise afflictions besides balance
locking ones to be able to capitilize on anorexia. Pretty sure the power of an
astrologer is supposed to wax and wane, one skillset that will be dominated by
the 'luck' of when they are fighting.
---[Rivius on 7/22 @ 05:30 writes]:
Strongly opposed to all solutions for the reasons already stated.
---[Azula on 7/22 @ 14:41 writes]:
I do not support any of these as well. At best I can agree with paralysis
(Solution 1) but no to Solution 2 or 3
---[Jaamil on 7/31 @ 08:32 writes]:
I agree with Hiriako, as it was my first impression that these, or in particular
solutions one and two are quite potent, especially at the speed it can be cast
from my prior experience as an astrologist. Also, much worse if used as part of
a synchronous constellation move. Opposed to the solutions, and I am definitely
disliking solution 3. If at most, I'd say solution 1.
---[Tacita on 7/31 @ 16:57 writes]:
Solution 1 supported, I feel like the other solutions are a bit strong (sol 2
especially).