135201-i-honestly-cant-believe-this

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			Toxic community is what made me leave last year to be honest >~<	
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			Well said, OP.	
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No not the server problems. No not all the arguments about the server problems. No not the complaints abut the server problems.
 
What i cant beleive is that there are so called "veteran players" who "love the game" SCREAMING at f2p players.
Insults, "get out leave we dont need you" git gud pleb ect.
 
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I have been here since the start i have seen what i thought was the worst of the eltitism in the past.
 
But now, carbines LAST effort for wildstar , people WANT to play, they are frustrated they cant , and you tell them TO LEAVE?
 
I dont care if a free to player never spends a dime, hes making queues pop for BGs and LFD which encourages ME to spend tons of dimes.
 
And to those who say "it wasnt bad before F2P we didnt need this" are you drunk, delusional or just trying to be a jerk?
 
Coz we did need this, if the numbers from quarterlies, werent enough proof, try finding a group for ANYTHING on dominion side 1 week ago any time other than between 6 and 10 pm prime time.
 
TO ALL FREE TO PLAYERS. I am a vet, i have been here since the start, WE DO NEED YOU. and you know what, maybe i dont speak for everyone
 
but not only do we need you, but i am EXTREMELY HAPPY YOU ARE HERE!
 
i hope some of you stay, i would love to see you all in game when the dust settles. yes the servers are BS but i really want to play with yall so i hope yall can stick it out	
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			I haven't seen any of that at all	
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I haven't seen any of that at all
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			Those elite players just want to get back to the way things used to be.  Sadly that route would have been complete game shutdown easily by spring time of next year.  The financials didn't support the sustained monthly sub model and this was the only route to try and inject new life in to WildStar.  As we are currently witnessing Carbine is currently failing at that as well. 	
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			l2p noobs - low skill	
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Rayman i had similar problems and took a break, but understrand if the free to players on non toxic vets band together we can make this a good place.
 
OF course people are raging does no one see THAT GOOD? if people werent mad they couldnt play, did they really want to play? would they have stuck around.
 
sure some people could use a little more tact but id take a thousand "server sucks" threads knowing thats a thousand people wHO WANT TO PLAY THE GAME
 
my goodness, im just happy to see wildstar in the news, on twitch, people talking about  it people WANTING TO PLAY
 
free to players you are awesome, you have a right to be angry, i cant get in the game either, but when i do, i want to personally /makeitrain on everyone of you	
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			.-. its call blocking the *cupcake*ers.	
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The issue doesn't stem from the free to play people. The issue stems from players who have no vested interest in the game who comes onto the forums to rage and whine and complain because they cannot wait a week or so for stuff to get fixed. They are so damn impatient waiting is the last thoughts on their minds, and they come to the forums about it.
 
 
I agree. We veterans do need the free players. What we don't need is all the ragers on the forums.	
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I've been avoiding these arguments so far, but... I couldn't agree more with the OP. As annoying as the constant influx of complaints can be, the "veterans" yelling at them to go away is causing even more damage than all the complainers combined ever could. I stopped playing Wildstar not because I didn't enjoy the game anymore but because I had no one left to play with. I am a day time player and most of my fellow night-workers/oceanic players had abandoned ship, leaving me without a raid group.
 
I want to play Wildstar, I freakin' love this game, but if everyone just leaves again, I'll be forced to do the same.	
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I've been avoiding these arguments so far, but... I couldn't agree more with the OP. As annoying as the constant influx of complaints can be, the "veterans" yelling at them to go away is causing even more damage than all the complainers combined ever could. I stopped playing Wildstar not because I didn't enjoy the game anymore but because I had no one left to play with. I am a day time player and most of my fellow night-workers/oceanic players had abandoned ship, leaving me without a raid group.
 
I want to play Wildstar, I freakin' love this game, but if everyone just leaves again, I'll be forced to do the same.
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I haven't seen any of that at all
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iono it feels like some kind of odd fueled vicious cycle and im just sitting here going "okay......".
Just me though...	
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The issue doesn't stem from the free to play people. The issue stems from players who have no vested interest in the game who comes onto the forums to rage and whine and complain because they cannot wait a week or so for stuff to get fixed. They are so damn impatient waiting is the last thoughts on their minds, and they come to the forums about it.
 
 
I agree. We veterans do need the free players. What we don't need is all the ragers on the forums.
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			I was expecting "it's not butter" as thread content. For some reason I'm sad it's not included.	
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im a not time player too! id love to group up and chill when the servers settle, and they will eventually, hang in there if you can!
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			Yasfan i see you liked my post. After i got run out of here last summer, you stuck around and fought the good fight for this game. I just wanted to say a personal thank you to.	
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			ratongas are playing wildstar now	
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Maybe its just me but if I were a new player I'd still be somewhat turned off by a veteran player screaming "I NEED YOU" at me.
 
Just not ready for that kind of a commitment when I'm still checking out a game y'know?
			
				
	Edited October 1, 2015 by Beartornado	
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seriously i cant stress this enough, Welcome to Wildstar, there is a home here for everyone.
 
EVERYONE IS WELCOME, F2p, subs, whales, casuals harcores, giraffes, north koreans, raiders, dungeoners, one eyed purple people eaters, PVPers, Arena vets and of course, i GUESS MAYBE exile players ;-p	
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Maybe its just me but if I were a new player I'd still be somewhat turned off by a veteran player screaming "I NEED YOU" at me.
 
Just not ready for that kind of a commitment when I'm still checking out a game y'know?
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Well said OP.
 
I can admit I have said 'Bye Felicia' to 1 person. This was someone claiming doom and gloom while saying they were leaving. So for those people, yes, I will say bye. But for the f2p people complaining about the servers and the lag, I support you. Servers atm are total garbage and everyone feels the pain. Stick with it. Wildstar is a great game and once the fixes go through you will find just how true that can be. 	
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No not the server problems. No not all the arguments about the server problems. No not the complaints abut the server problems.
 
What i cant beleive is that there are so called "veteran players" who "love the game" SCREAMING at f2p players.
Insults, "get out leave we dont need you" git gud pleb ect.
 
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I have been here since the start i have seen what i thought was the worst of the eltitism in the past.
 
But now, carbines LAST effort for wildstar , people WANT to play, they are frustrated they cant , and you tell them TO LEAVE?
 
I dont care if a free to player never spends a dime, hes making queues pop for BGs and LFD which encourages ME to spend tons of dimes.
 
And to those who say "it wasnt bad before F2P we didnt need this" are you drunk, delusional or just trying to be a jerk?
 
Coz we did need this, if the numbers from quarterlies, werent enough proof, try finding a group for ANYTHING on dominion side 1 week ago any time other than between 6 and 10 pm prime time.
 
TO ALL FREE TO PLAYERS. I am a vet, i have been here since the start, WE DO NEED YOU. and you know what, maybe i dont speak for everyone
 
but not only do we need you, but i am EXTREMELY HAPPY YOU ARE HERE!
 
i hope some of you stay, i would love to see you all in game when the dust settles. yes the servers are BS but i really want to play with yall so i hope yall can stick it out
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Maybe its just me but if I were a new player I'd still be somewhat turned off by a veteran player screaming "I NEED YOU" at me.
 
Just not ready for that kind of a commitment when I'm still checking out a game y'know?
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			Not sure what the OP is talking about, I haven't seen any vitriol towards any new players in game... Quit portraying your isolated incident as if everyone is experiencing this.	
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			I agree with the OP, well said	
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Not sure what the OP is talking about, I haven't seen any vitriol towards any new players in game... Quit portraying your isolated incident as if everyone is experiencing this.
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In game is not what OP was referring to silly~
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Not sure what the OP is talking about, I haven't seen any vitriol towards any new players in game... Quit portraying your isolated incident as if everyone is experiencing this.
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No not the server problems. No not all the arguments about the server problems. No not the complaints abut the server problems.
 
What i cant beleive is that there are so called "veteran players" who "love the game" SCREAMING at f2p players.
Insults, "get out leave we dont need you" git gud pleb ect.
 
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I have been here since the start i have seen what i thought was the worst of the eltitism in the past.
 
But now, carbines LAST effort for wildstar , people WANT to play, they are frustrated they cant , and you tell them TO LEAVE?
 
I dont care if a free to player never spends a dime, hes making queues pop for BGs and LFD which encourages ME to spend tons of dimes.
 
And to those who say "it wasnt bad before F2P we didnt need this" are you drunk, delusional or just trying to be a jerk?
 
Coz we did need this, if the numbers from quarterlies, werent enough proof, try finding a group for ANYTHING on dominion side 1 week ago any time other than between 6 and 10 pm prime time.
 
TO ALL FREE TO PLAYERS. I am a vet, i have been here since the start, WE DO NEED YOU. and you know what, maybe i dont speak for everyone
 
but not only do we need you, but i am EXTREMELY HAPPY YOU ARE HERE!
 
i hope some of you stay, i would love to see you all in game when the dust settles. yes the servers are BS but i really want to play with yall so i hope yall can stick it out
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No not the server problems. No not all the arguments about the server problems. No not the complaints abut the server problems.
 
What i cant beleive is that there are so called "veteran players" who "love the game" SCREAMING at f2p players.
Insults, "get out leave we dont need you" git gud pleb ect.
 
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I have been here since the start i have seen what i thought was the worst of the eltitism in the past.
 
But now, carbines LAST effort for wildstar , people WANT to play, they are frustrated they cant , and you tell them TO LEAVE?
 
I dont care if a free to player never spends a dime, hes making queues pop for BGs and LFD which encourages ME to spend tons of dimes.
 
And to those who say "it wasnt bad before F2P we didnt need this" are you drunk, delusional or just trying to be a jerk?
 
Coz we did need this, if the numbers from quarterlies, werent enough proof, try finding a group for ANYTHING on dominion side 1 week ago any time other than between 6 and 10 pm prime time.
 
TO ALL FREE TO PLAYERS. I am a vet, i have been here since the start, WE DO NEED YOU. and you know what, maybe i dont speak for everyone
 
but not only do we need you, but i am EXTREMELY HAPPY YOU ARE HERE!
 
i hope some of you stay, i would love to see you all in game when the dust settles. yes the servers are BS but i really want to play with yall so i hope yall can stick it out
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Call me silly all you want, the only negativity being voiced at the new f2p players going around is in the forums in response to absurd posts that are about nothing but complaining, which the OP claimed wasn't a part of his rant. Still feel the need to call me silly? I'm sure you do.
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I for one am not telling anyone to leave nor am I going to do so.  What gets tiring is listening to all the special snowflakes vent with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING constructive or conducive to the problem at hand and then that somehow spirals down into name-calling and the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" comments.
 
As for getting a queue on dommie side, no issues here since I was in a guild :), that and I have trust issues with pugs in dungeons anyway's.
 
As for the posts I've seen I have seen none of us scream at others or at least we are not the first to resort to doing so.
 
Note:  Anyone remember drops 2 and 3? :ph34r:
 
At this point I shouldn't post anything constructive any more and just post meme's.
 
As for the community being toxic....I've seen little of that and the vets are the last to resort to it. I always see the toxic label get thrown around everywhere at this point it has lost all meaning to me.
 
My point is that....argh nevermind talking at this point would just get me a "white-knight" or somesuch label.
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the only labels that really mean ANYTHING at this point are the labels "wildstar player"
i dont care anyone more who you are, what you pay, what you do anything
 
i just want people to see what the game has to offer.
 
maybe i wasnt as clear as i wanted to be so ill stress it again.
 
Wildstar is an amazing home for any gamers. Everyone is welcome and appreciated. Yes the servers are poop right now, but it will get fixed, and i will be
very happy to meet and play with all of you.
 
Cheers Nexians!
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			I haven't seen any of this type of behaviour.	
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I don't think I've seen any "veteran players" tell anyone but the trolls to leave.  Stop lumping us in with the trolls trolling the trolls.  
 
And really, given the names and *cupcake* that's thrown at us when we are trying to be nice and counsel patience, I think we've been pretty well mannered.  You are only focusing on the bad *cupcake* you are seeing from people you are already biased against.  What about the rest of us that aren't doing that?  Why not a post about the veteran players that are doing a good job of trying to alleviate the new players' frustrations?  Why not make a post getting on the case of the people that want to call us White Knights, Fanboys, and what ever other insulting *cupcake* they can throw at us?	
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I don't think I've seen any "veteran players" tell anyone but the trolls to leave.  Stop lumping us in with the trolls trolling the trolls.  
 
And really, given the names and *cupcake* that's thrown at us when we are trying to be nice and counsel patience, I think we've been pretty well mannered.  You are only focusing on the bad *cupcake* you are seeing from people you are already biased against.  What about the rest of us that aren't doing that?  Why not a post about the veteran players that are doing a good job of trying to alleviate the new players' frustrations?  Why not make a post getting on the case of the people that want to call us White Knights, Fanboys, and what ever other insulting *cupcake* they can throw at us?
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OF COURSE, CAUSE YOU'RE SILLY, SILLY!
 
Ehehe ;P
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the only labels that really mean ANYTHING at this point are the labels "wildstar player"
i dont care anyone more who you are, what you pay, what you do anything
 
i just want people to see what the game has to offer.
 
maybe i wasnt as clear as i wanted to be so ill stress it again.
 
Wildstar is an amazing home for any gamers. Everyone is welcome and appreciated. Yes the servers are poop right now, but it will get fixed, and i will be
very happy to meet and play with all of you.
 
Cheers Nexians!
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When games go f2p this happens, which is sad.
 
Vets are mad because of launch issues, so they blame the newbs for breaking the server. Vets feel they are getting stepped over by newbs, so they get mad. Vets are generally annoyed by the new people, so they get mad. Gold bots appear. "White Knight" vets appear.
 
Newbs spam the same questions instead of scrolling up in chat. Newbs don't do simple research, and annoy vets with stupid things. Newbs complain about launch day problems, annoying devs and vets.
 
It's a vicious cycle, and I personally hope both toxic vets and newbs take a hike. 	
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because i dont share the same views?
 
look i said it in a previous post but ill say it again.
 
if i see 500 posts of cancerous ugly trolling about uninstalling, quitting, carbine sucking, the servers being dead, rabble rabble i dont take it personally
 
you know what i see there? 500 people that want VERY MUCH to get in and play the game.
Not everyone expresses themselves positivly when frustrated, but the fact they are expressing themselves at all.
i mean i taking the time to log in, and post shows they have SOME interest in the game.
 
and yes it may be ugly, and hurtful. but its still 500 potential players/customers.
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No not the server problems. No not all the arguments about the server problems. No not the complaints abut the server problems.
 
What i cant beleive is that there are so called "veteran players" who "love the game" SCREAMING at f2p players.
Insults, "get out leave we dont need you" git gud pleb ect.
 
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I have been here since the start i have seen what i thought was the worst of the eltitism in the past.
 
But now, carbines LAST effort for wildstar , people WANT to play, they are frustrated they cant , and you tell them TO LEAVE?
 
I dont care if a free to player never spends a dime, hes making queues pop for BGs and LFD which encourages ME to spend tons of dimes.
 
And to those who say "it wasnt bad before F2P we didnt need this" are you drunk, delusional or just trying to be a jerk?
 
Coz we did need this, if the numbers from quarterlies, werent enough proof, try finding a group for ANYTHING on dominion side 1 week ago any time other than between 6 and 10 pm prime time.
 
TO ALL FREE TO PLAYERS. I am a vet, i have been here since the start, WE DO NEED YOU. and you know what, maybe i dont speak for everyone
 
but not only do we need you, but i am EXTREMELY HAPPY YOU ARE HERE!
 
i hope some of you stay, i would love to see you all in game when the dust settles. yes the servers are BS but i really want to play with yall so i hope yall can stick it out
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As one of those potential new players, thanks for this.
 
I'm a patient person, I don't mind waiting for the server to get fixed before I can truly test the game.
What I do mind is the attitude of shunning new players. When it's directly at me, I can filter it out... but it does bother me when I see it directed to other players. Because I know most people can't ignore that, and I know that a game in this transition from P2P to F2P really needs to be welcoming for new players.
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You know I'm right though. lol
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But it's OK for you to sit here and throw *cupcake* at customers that are already here, and ignore the *cupcake* that's being thrown at them?   
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But it's OK for you to sit here and throw *cupcake* at customers that are already here, and ignore the *cupcake* that's being thrown at them?   
 
I agree new players should be welcomed and we should be trying to alleviate their frustrations.  But the ones that get their *cupcake* thrown back at them aren't these new players that want to be here and be reassured.
 
And if they are making what you'd call a cancerous troll post, how can you say that's someone that wants to be here????
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Guuuuyyysss...this is getting out of hand, and if you're not careful a forum mod is gonna have to get in here and lock this topic..!
 
Which is sad because it was such a lovely post too...	
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Guuuuyyysss...this is getting out of hand, and if you're not careful a forum mod is gonna have to get in here and lock this topic..!
 
Which is sad because it was such a lovely post too...
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			Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle - Plato
			
				
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im doing my best to stay positive!
 
i dont really have anything to add i think i made my point ill let it stand for what it is.
 
one last time.
 
Welcome to Nexus everyone, cant wait to see EVERYONE in game when the dust settles.
 
Cheers.
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			How can you tell there vetran players that blows sorry that happened too you	
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How can you tell there vetran players that blows sorry that happened too you
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No not the server problems. No not all the arguments about the server problems. No not the complaints abut the server problems.
 
What i cant beleive is that there are so called "veteran players" who "love the game" SCREAMING at f2p players.
Insults, "get out leave we dont need you" git gud pleb ect.
 
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I have been here since the start i have seen what i thought was the worst of the eltitism in the past.
 
But now, carbines LAST effort for wildstar , people WANT to play, they are frustrated they cant , and you tell them TO LEAVE?
 
I dont care if a free to player never spends a dime, hes making queues pop for BGs and LFD which encourages ME to spend tons of dimes.
 
And to those who say "it wasnt bad before F2P we didnt need this" are you drunk, delusional or just trying to be a jerk?
 
Coz we did need this, if the numbers from quarterlies, werent enough proof, try finding a group for ANYTHING on dominion side 1 week ago any time other than between 6 and 10 pm prime time.
 
TO ALL FREE TO PLAYERS. I am a vet, i have been here since the start, WE DO NEED YOU. and you know what, maybe i dont speak for everyone
 
but not only do we need you, but i am EXTREMELY HAPPY YOU ARE HERE!
 
i hope some of you stay, i would love to see you all in game when the dust settles. yes the servers are BS but i really want to play with yall so i hope yall can stick it out
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No not the server problems. No not all the arguments about the server problems. No not the complaints abut the server problems.
 
What i cant beleive is that there are so called "veteran players" who "love the game" SCREAMING at f2p players.
Insults, "get out leave we dont need you" git gud pleb ect.
 
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I have been here since the start i have seen what i thought was the worst of the eltitism in the past.
 
But now, carbines LAST effort for wildstar , people WANT to play, they are frustrated they cant , and you tell them TO LEAVE?
 
I dont care if a free to player never spends a dime, hes making queues pop for BGs and LFD which encourages ME to spend tons of dimes.
 
And to those who say "it wasnt bad before F2P we didnt need this" are you drunk, delusional or just trying to be a jerk?
 
Coz we did need this, if the numbers from quarterlies, werent enough proof, try finding a group for ANYTHING on dominion side 1 week ago any time other than between 6 and 10 pm prime time.
 
TO ALL FREE TO PLAYERS. I am a vet, i have been here since the start, WE DO NEED YOU. and you know what, maybe i dont speak for everyone
 
but not only do we need you, but i am EXTREMELY HAPPY YOU ARE HERE!
 
i hope some of you stay, i would love to see you all in game when the dust settles. yes the servers are BS but i really want to play with yall so i hope yall can stick it out
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The issue doesn't stem from the free to play people. The issue stems from players who have no vested interest in the game who comes onto the forums to rage and whine and complain because they cannot wait a week or so for stuff to get fixed. They are so damn impatient waiting is the last thoughts on their minds, and they come to the forums about it.
 
 
I agree. We veterans do need the free players. What we don't need is all the ragers on the forums.
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I agree with you. I'm a vet MMO player but new to Wildstar. Things will settle down eventually. I'm sure the devs are working on to fix the problem.
 
So to all new players, patient is the key. Things will get back to normal soon.
 
Don't waste a game with potential just because a technical issue.
 
PS. Sorry my English, it is no my first language.
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because i dont share the same views?
 
look i said it in a previous post but ill say it again.
 
if i see 500 posts of cancerous ugly trolling about uninstalling, quitting, carbine sucking, the servers being dead, rabble rabble i dont take it personally
 
you know what i see there? 500 people that want VERY MUCH to get in and play the game.
Not everyone expresses themselves positivly when frustrated, but the fact they are expressing themselves at all.
i mean i taking the time to log in, and post shows they have SOME interest in the game.
 
and yes it may be ugly, and hurtful. but its still 500 potential players/customers.
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Nobody is talking about taking it personally, but consider you are advocating for people being able to rage like children in a space that is meant for people to talk about the game. At some point it's realistic to think that people don't want the forums to be consumed by vitrol and narcicism purely over something that was expected and does not effect the majority of players. I hate to say it, but perhaps the veterens should be allow to shame them a little, at least if it gets them to go away for a bit.
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It's nice to see a game where the vets/subs/payers aren't complete snobs towards the New f2p, unlike some games...*cough* swtor *cough*
 
When I heard the game was going F2P I was so excited!! I knew the first days/week would be hectic with ironing out issues, overloaded servers etc. Happily a few nights ago I was able to get in after waiting in the ques for a little over an our. HOLY CRAP! I love it! I'm on the Exile side on the Entity server, currently a level 8ish Spellslinger Aurin, following the Explorer path. I will say the RP community is fantastic with answering questions I had etc, and I look forward to getting into RP, PvP (I live to PvP), and even try Raids/Dungeons. 
 
I honestly don't get why everyone is getting there panties in a knot, 6K+ people trying to get on a game all at once and you expect things to go smoothly? Welcome to the 21st centurey, technology is a *cupcake*. 
 
As for me, I plan to stay, I know things will get better. Thanks again for the OP! I hope the f2p/sub community can work and play nice together here unlike in most MMOs, I look forward to RP'ing, PvP'ing, and PvE'ing with you all! 
 
Patience is a virtue.	
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