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So with the crazy amount threads asking for account bound pets and mounts... This is what you comw up with. 
 
Is this a joke?? "Give us more money for account bound option" why on earth would i give you money when other mmos simply account bound everything? 
 
I get the feeling you just milking whats left of the community till you shut down the game. Red flags everywere with this new announcement. 
 
Please dont spend money on this! Show them its not what we want or deserve.	
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			I'll be curious as to the pricing, but at the end of the day this is probably the right approach- it's just a matter of whether the price points are right.	
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So I asked in the other thread since I'm not able to log in, but how much is "a bit more"?
Is it the same amount as now and cheaper rate for single use or is it more than current mounts to get it account bound?
 
 
I'm sure most people could be happy with the former, but the latter is debatable...	
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It's the same prices as other mounts for single and then more for account-wide. 
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Well, doesn't most other games have more expensive mounts than wildstar has?
So, it would make sense perhaps to put it similar to that	
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			I wouldn't be as dramatic as OP, but yeah, continuing to charge account-wide prices for single-character mounts and then charging even more for an account-wide option isn't a fix. 
			
				
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I'll be curious as to the pricing, but at the end of the day this is probably the right approach- it's just a matter of whether the price points are right.
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According to someone on reddit its 17.50 for the account bound option on the mount.
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So I asked in the other thread since I'm not able to log in, but how much is "a bit more"?
Is it the same amount as now and cheaper rate for single use or is it more than current mounts to get it account bound?
 
 
I'm sure most people could be happy with the former, but the latter is debatable...
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The Little Hoof, Fawngrazer, and Bobblebot minipets are:
 
490 NCoin for single use
860 NCoin for account-bound
 
In dollars: $6.13 to $10.75
 
The Rexling minipet and Orbitron mount are:
 
790 NCoin for single use
1380 NCoin for account-bound
 
In dollars: $9.86 to $17.25
 
In other words, it costs roughly 75% more to buy the account-bound option.
			
				
	Edited December 2, 2015 by Cantatus	
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			I don't know, because in a game I used to play, you would have to buy the mount and then have to pay for a separate type of ticket to make it account bound. Though I haven't logged in yet to see for myself, I would assume in this situation it's similar as you pay more than the original price of the mount for account bound. Though I'm okay with it (and might even buy it if it's a mount I REALLY like it) I would have preferred it ncoin for account bound (the original price) and omnibits for single character.
			
				
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			This was something the community suggested for account bound stuff 	
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According to someone on reddit its 17.50 for the account bound option on the mount.
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How much are mounts in other games?
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The Little Hoof, Fawngrazer, and Bobblebot minipets are:
 
490 NCoin for single use
860 NCoin for account-bound. 
 
In dollars: $6.13 to $10.75
 
The Rexling minipet and Orbitron mount are:
 
790 NCoin for single use
1380 for account-bound:
 
In dollars: $9.86 to $17.25
 
In other words, the account-bound option is roughly 57% more.
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20$ on average with it always being account bound
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Well then, this price seems pretty reasonable, doesn't it? An account bound mount for less than the going rate in other games?
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			how would this work for transactions that already occurred?  i hope this can be retroactively applied.  I purchase mounts when I see one i like and would want any purchase to be account bound, past or future.	
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Not when they charge almost 60% more for the account bound option lol
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			$20 or less seems reasonable to me for account bound mounts. Sold!	
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Okay so to make this mount account wide it cost 1380Ncoin/$17.50USD yes? If I remember right the ghostly warpig was 1590NCoin/$20USD, but was single usage
 
IF we were to get something in the future like the ghostly warpig extent of "reskin"(technically while the mesh is changed and particles(?) added, it sitll uses the warpig rig, blah blah blah), would the cost of something like that be more than 20 to get it account bound?
 
I ask because one thing I've noticed is that the mount costs aren't unified, so I am curious about how more elaborate mounts will be handled.
			
				
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Okay so to make this mount account wide it cost 1380Ncoin/$17.50USD yes? If I remember right the ghostly warpig was 1590NCoin/$20USD, but was single usage
 
IF we were to get something in the future like the ghostly warpig extent of "reskin"(technically while the mesh is changed and particles(?) added, it sitll uses the warpig rig, blah blah blah), would the cost of something like that be more than 20 to get it account bound?
 
I ask because one thing I've noticed is that the mount costs aren't unified, so I am curious about how more elaborate mounts will be handled.
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Im not sure what people are complaining about so much with the mount prices. They're about/lower than the standard prices across some of the bigger named MMOs out there:
 
wow mounts are usually $25.
final fantasy reborn is $12 for a single character, or $24 for an account bound.
 
and both of those are sub based games.
 
I forgot what the conversion rate was for Rift (another F2P mmo) so cant compare with those either, but i THINK it was 2500? REX (they're currency) for a mount and 630 REX for a grab-bag with a tiny chance at mount.	
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I don't see the problem with the price to be honest its around about the same price as other mmo's do for there account bound mounts. Some mmo's are a little lower and some are a little higher, my major gripe was not having an account bound option as there was no way I was paying for anything that was single character unlock only. 
 
For me I think this is a good change & price, what do people actually expect is a fair price for an account bound mount?  People screamed alot that they wanted account bound mounts and they provide it yet people are still screaming about them being too expensive now. Just goes to show you cant please them all.  	
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Ok, I'm confused...It's an extra $17.50 to make a previously purchased mount account wide?
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			If these single use mounts already purchased become retroactively account wide, and future account wide mounts are around the $20 price point, then this is great news.	
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If these single use mounts already purchased become retroactively account wide, and future account wide mounts are around the $20 price point, then this is great news.
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So with the crazy amount threads asking for account bound pets and mounts... This is what you comw up with.
 
Is this a joke?? "Give us more money for account bound option" why on earth would i give you money when other mmos simply account bound everything?
 
I get the feeling you just milking whats left of the community till you shut down the game. Red flags everywere with this new announcement.
 
Please dont spend money on this! Show them its not what we want or deserve.
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For me I think this is a good change & price, what do people actually expect is a fair price for an account bound mount?  People screamed alot that they wanted account bound mounts and they provide it yet people are still screaming about them being too expensive now. Just goes to show you cant please them all.  
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I bet they come up with an exchange system or a way to "pay the difference" to make an item account bound. Just wait.
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Another game I play has a pay model set up like this. I don't particularly mind it. 
I've never had a reason for account bound in games, to be honest.	
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Huh. Did that get added to the store? Kind of went up with very little fanfare.
 
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I can't speak for other people, but I'm not so much complaining as wanting to know what the costs of future mounts will be. The cash shop has different tiers of costs for mounts and pets; something like the Ghostly warpig was 1590NCoin/$20USD as I recall. (someone can correct me on the USD price, but i know the mounts was 1590). It seems that this mount shares the same pricing tier as the road render mounts if this si the case and so an account bound version of the road render would be 1380 as well.
 
Given that, if something like the warpig were to be put in, I would guess the cost to be 2500 Ncoin which equals out to like $31.25 USD.
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I can't speak for other people, but I'm not so much complaining as wanting to know what the costs of future mounts will be. The cash shop has different tiers of costs for mounts and pets; something like the Ghostly warpig was 1590NCoin/$20USD as I recall. (someone can correct me on the USD price, but i know the mounts was 1590). It seems that this mount shares the same pricing tier as the road render mounts if this si the case and so an account bound version of the road render would be 1380 as well.
 
Given that, if something like the warpig were to be put in, I would guess the cost to be 2500 Ncoin which equals out to like $31.25 USD.
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Fun fact for those whining.
Tera does this, they give you the option for account bound or character bound. Account Bound Mounts costing more than double. 
Funcom Does this with clothing as well in The Secret World.
Final Fantasy XIV just introduced single character mounts that are reskins of the Magitech armor for 12.50, the Slepiner (sp) mount which is account bound is $24.00
 
all WoW mounts that are account bound are $25.00
 
 
So what are you all crying about now?
			
				
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			They give you what you ask for, and you still want to complain. Pathetic. The prices are still cheaper than those "other games with account bound" 	
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Fun fact for those whining.
Tera does this, they give you the option for account bound or character bound. Account Bound Mounts costing more than double. 
Funcom Does this with clothing as well in The Secret World.
Final Fantasy XIV just introduced single character mounts that are reskins of the Magitech armor for 12.50, the Slepiner (sp) mount which is account bound is $24.00
 
all WoW mounts that are account bound are $25.00
 
 
So what are you all crying about now?
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I can't speak for other people, but I'm not so much complaining as wanting to know what the costs of future mounts will be. The cash shop has different tiers of costs for mounts and pets; something like the Ghostly warpig was 1590NCoin/$20USD as I recall. (someone can correct me on the USD price, but i know the mounts was 1590). It seems that this mount shares the same pricing tier as the road render mounts if this si the case and so an account bound version of the road render would be 1380 as well.
 
Given that, if something like the warpig were to be put in, I would guess the cost to be 2500 Ncoin which equals out to like $31.25 USD.
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I'm very happy this has happened. Now we need an option to reto our previous purchases and everything will be golden. I looked and there isn't an option to do so on the Store (yet?). It could be put under the "unlocks" tab.
 
EDIT: A flair option under the Mounts tab would be nice as well. We need more flair choices Carbine  ;) .
			
				
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I'm very happy this has happened. Now an option to reto my previous purchases and everything will be golden. I looked and there isn't an option to do so on the Store (yet?). It could be put under the "unlocks" tab.
 
EDIT: Now we need a flair option under the Mount tab. Some new Mount flair would be nice Carbine  ;) .
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If they keep the same pricing scheme of charging 75% more for the account-bound version, something like the Ghastly Skeletal Warpig (1590/$19.86) would cost around 2783 NCoin or $34.78.
 
Of course, this is purely speculation since they may use different pricing for the most expensive mounts.
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			I couldn't care less about pets/mounts/cosmetics, but I like this move so I'm buying. Besides the fact that this is very likely to be used as data in terms of arguing one way or the other.
			
				
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Sigh...its only going to lead to worse crap.... Carry on sheep. Its starts with small things, soon we will be paying for costume changes and crap.
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I think this is a very fair change. They gave us what we wanted, at prices I more  or less expected, based on other games I've played.
 
I'll just say Thank You and carry on! ^_^	
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			I really hope people understand that the cost for this is not bad at all compared to other games.  Until we see other mounts prices, if they go with this current price model, it's not bad for an account bound mount.  Carbine listened to players.  They gave us account bound, and on top of that there is a difference in character bound and account bound.  75% more to use on ALL my characters.  Even for the expensive rare mounts, it's still better to have for the life of my account.  Now, what people are not also mentioning.......wait for it...................................................................................................................  I can purchase it for ingame plat!  I don't have to spend real money for an item.  Best way to make plat for money.  Yesterday was 100ncoin for 2p.  So that means for 28p, I can get this account bound mount.  Do you know how much some of the mounts cost in game?	
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Sigh...its only going to lead to worse crap.... Carry on sheep. Its starts with small things, soon we will be paying for costume changes and crap.
 
Don't believe me? GW2.....you pay for costume changes. 
			
				
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Sigh...its only going to lead to worse crap.... Carry on sheep.
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Just as a side note, to those complaining about it being too expensive, 2 of the 5 listed items are going for about $17.50 or less, and the other ones are going for slightly over $10, account bound. If you want to say that "20 is too expensive for account bound", why not just buy those $10 ones, and not the $20 ones to show support that you like the idea, but maybe not the price point.
 
Or are you looking for $5 account bounds? and $1 character bounds?
 
Are we at a strip club?	
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Sigh...its only going to lead to worse crap.... Carry on sheep. Its starts with small things, soon we will be paying for costume changes and crap.
 
Don't believe me? GW2.....you pay for costume changes.
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Sigh...its only going to lead to worse crap.... Carry on sheep. Its starts with small things, soon we will be paying for costume changes and crap.
 
Don't believe me? GW2.....you pay for costume changes and crap.
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Are we at a strip club?
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We can purchase everything (excluding Madam Fay Coin) mounts, pets etc with OmniBits costing you nothing in real money. It's the fairest F2P pricing scheme of any MMO around! That plus they're cheaper as well compared to all other competitors.
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We can purchase everything (excluding Madam Fay Coin) mounts, pets etc with OmniBits costing you nothing in real money. It's the fairest F2P pricing scheme of any MMO around! That plus they're cheaper as well compared to all other competitors.
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			Also Those things you're saying in GW2 were in their Cash Shop at launch, not something they implemented over time. Did you even play GW2 at launch?	
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Omni bits....rofl k
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Sigh...its only going to lead to worse crap.... Carry on sheep. Its starts with small things, soon we will be paying for costume changes and crap.
 
Don't believe me? GW2.....you pay for costume changes.
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I am just going to say "Ignore the screamers and crybabies. I, for one, thank you and appreciate this move. I will make a purchase within the next two days, once my subscription runs out on the 4th."
 
This is not only fair and equitable, but a major step in the right direction. 
 
Again, my thanks and you will soon be getting my money again, as well. And since I will be "subscribing" through cash purchases, this is all the motivation I needed to continue supporting Carbine and WildStar for some time to come.
 
A+
 
EDIT TO ADD: HAHAHAHAAH Yes. I am laughing and mocking the OP for all to see. What a whiner. Get over yourself, crybaby. This is how the world works. This is COMPROMISE between client and customer - and it's a wonderful thing.
			
				
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Omni bits....rofl k
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It's OmniBits, I don't get your sarcasm. There is also an option in the Cosmic rewards system to increase the drop rate of said OmniBits by 100%.
 
 
It seems as if you want a completely free game with a free store. The bills need to be paid somehow.
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Not when they charge almost 60% more for the account bound option lol
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EDIT TO ADD: HAHAHAHAAH Yes. I am laughing and mocking the OP for all to see. What a whiner. Get over yourself, crybaby. This is how the world works. This is COMPROMISE between client and customer - and it's a wonderful thing.
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			If $17.50 is too much for an account bound mount you should probably be out looking for better job (or start your own business) than posting here on the forums. If I ever come across something that is "too expensive" I don't blame the seller, I just remind myself that I need to do better at capitalism if I want to be able to afford such things.
			
				
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			now that we have this settled up lets focus on important things, cross server housing visits, new raid and cross server raiding.	
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Long time no see, Tex :D
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As you can see, somethings never change!
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now that we have this settled up lets focus on important things, cross server housing visits, new raid and cross server raiding.
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But really. It's not about facts is it? It's about bashing Wildstar as much as you can to make them look bad, even though it makes you look like someone that hasn't passed high-school.
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I think the price point they've set is fair within the context of what competitors are charging. It's also what a lot of people have been asking for. As such I'm fine with it, although I'm not likely to make a purchase myself. Digital fluff isn't my cuppa, at least not when it's at the price point of a whole game on Steam or similar.
 
There is however a wider discussion to be had about whether these sorts of industry-wide prices represent good value for money for digital products which don't have much in the way of production costs (beyond the original design), are often just reskins or reconfigs of existing art assets and are only ever rented rather than owned (if the game closes, you lose your items).
 
Yes they are cosmetic and non-essential and it can be argued that the profits can be used to keep a game up and running and pay for development of new game content. Fine in principle, but is this what really happens? Or does the bulk of it just end up in shareholders hands and development becomes increasingly focused on producing new fluff to sell rather than improving the core game.
 
But I guess this thread isn't really the place to have a healthy discussion on that, there's too much hyperbole flying around.	
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			We're looking at under $20 for account bound on the mount and just over $10 for the pets, just over $5 for single character. The pricing is fair when you look at what the old prices were.790Ncoin for char bound pet vs 860NCoin for account bound now. That's not a huge increase at all. The mount, eh...not terrible but that may fall more in line with how they priced the Shade's Eve mount and the zPrix mount there as they were higher to begin with.	
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So I asked in the other thread since I'm not able to log in, but how much is "a bit more"?
Is it the same amount as now and cheaper rate for single use or is it more than current mounts to get it account bound?
 
 
I'm sure most people could be happy with the former, but the latter is debatable...
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We're looking at under $20 for account bound on the mount and just over $10 for the pets, just over $5 for single character. The pricing is fair when you look at what the old prices were.
 
790Ncoin for char bound pet vs 860NCoin for account bound now. That's not a huge increase at all. The mount, eh...not terrible but that may fall more in line with how they priced the Shade's Eve mount and the zPrix mount there as they were higher to begin with.
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Another nonsense drama post.
 
Every game out there does thesame thing.	
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I'm kind of concerned that this seems to seal off the possibility that someday all mounts will be account-wide, which is the direction I always assume most MMOs will go over time (i.e. making all collectibles account-wide rather than saying "you should collect all these again and again on all your alts").
 
But now that will never happen, because it would be ripping off the people who paid account-wide price and end up with the same product in the end as people who paid per-character price.
			
				
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There's also an option in the Cosmic Rewards system to increase the drop rate of OmniBits by 100%.
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			FWIW, SWTOR also splits soulbound vs accountbound for a lot of their cash shop stuff. I don't have an issue with paying more for accountbound, but we can debate what is a fair premium.	
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But now that will never happen, because it would be ripping off the people who paid account-wide price and end up with the same product in the end as people who paid per-character price.
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What did Carbino do? Cut the price down to 15 Plat. What did Carbino do to those of us who spent 150 plat? Gave us the flying cupcake :) Oh Carbino.
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			I'm pretty happy with these prices. I'll be buying stuff now they're going account wide.	
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In-game currency vs real money... Are you seriously still upset over that? xD Good grief.
 
The prices they picked are good for mounts. Not so sure about pet pricing. But <$20 for an account-bound mount is fine (though technically it's $20 because you can't buy $17.50 worth of NCoin).
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which don't have much in the way of production costs (beyond the original design)
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			I think it's fine. I bet the people complaining about this wouldn't spend a dime on the game anyway.	
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Well whoopee I can cap my Omnibits faster.
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The prices for the minipets didn't change.  The two that were available prior to today (L'il Scratches and Trask Tenderling) are the same prices they were yesterday.  This isn't going from "790Ncoin for char bound pet vs 860NCoin for account bound now."  The new one that costs 790 NCoin costs 1380 NCoin for account-wide, which all aside, I think is a little ridiculous for a minipet.  Unless the pet is extremely special, nearly $20 for a minipet seems way overpriced.  The others are more reasonably priced (860 NCoin) compared to other MMOs (WoW's are around $10, for instance).
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I put my money where my mouth was.  I said that if they went to "account bound for more" I'd buy a mount or other item.  I would much have preferred +25%, like another game I play, but even though this was closer to +80%, it's still a decent deal for my altaholism.  I bought the Freelancer Orbitron and the Bobblebot account-wide, because I want WS to get the impression that they are moving in the right direction.
 
I will still use discretion as to which items and how many to buy, and when-- but everyone should do that.  Since NCSoft moved a little-- I did too.  ;)	
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So with the crazy amount threads asking for account bound pets and mounts... This is what you comw up with.
 
Is this a joke?? "Give us more money for account bound option" why on earth would i give you money when other mmos simply account bound everything?
 
I get the feeling you just milking whats left of the community till you shut down the game. Red flags everywere with this new announcement.
 
Please dont spend money on this! Show them its not what we want or deserve.
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Sigh...its only going to lead to worse crap.... Carry on sheep. Its starts with small things, soon we will be paying for costume changes and crap.
 
Don't believe me? GW2.....you pay for costume changes.
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			OP, come back and discuss this when the price for an account mount is 40--yes, you read right, forty--dollars. I've seen that in a few games. Until Carbine charges that much for an account mount, well...your argument doesn't really hold a lotta water.
			
				
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Dont forget it's 100 ncoin for 2p on Entity.  I don't know other servers.
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			Its a privately negotiated price, but Im sure that'll change soon - if it hadnt already by now.	
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I like this change and I think the price is fair for an account bound mount. It's what you play in other games for account mounts, with or without subscription.
 
It's a great compromise. If they were to make all mounts account wide by default they'd have to up the price. This way someone that definitely only wants a mount on a certain character can pay the small price and if you want it for all characters no more need to fork over money for each.
There were some mounts on the shop I like and haven't bought yet cause I can't make up my mind on which character I'd prefer it, guess I won't have that problem anymore. :D	
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			Although I have not played the game in weeks (work schedule picked up because a manuscript deadline was accelerated by a publisher), and have been splitting what little play time I do have between Marvel Heroes and WoW, the account bound pricing here in Wildstar looks just fine to me. It's actually less than in many other games.	
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YAY!! I am so happy this option has finally been added!! Not only do I feel more open to buying things I may not have before, but my friends are as well. The first thing I did after seeing this change was do a little shopping. If the option to purchase account-wide-ness to my previously purchased mounts gets added as well I'll be even happier. <3
 
Wooo, I'm looking forward to holidays and various other events even more now that I know I'll be able to spread the love to my alts as well with any future purchases. (at least, I hope you guys make this a from-now-on-all-things-have-this-option type thing)  ^_^	
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I wasn't aware there was a Ncoin/plat exchange live in-game. Or are you talking about privately negotiated purchases that the game doesn't regulate or guarantee?
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Called scammer's paradise.
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I haven't heard anyone getting scammed.  If worried, trade with someone that is in an established guild
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So...A F2P game with one of, if not the best model on the market! Reads players feedback then gives them what they wanted is now wrong because of ??? it's store prices are inline with other games ???
 
Another bitter OP......when all the content in a game goes into a cash-shop, that's the time to get bitter, and we are miles away from that yet.  	
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aren't mounts more expensive in other games? So not only are account bound mounts etc. less expensive in this game, but you even have the option of paying less for character bound. How the hell is this in any way a bad thing? This is miles better. Seriously, people will complain about everything.
 
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Price is fine. WoWm which is if you like it or not MMO that puts standards asks 20 bucks for mount and 10 bucks for pet. Account bound both.
 
What bothers me more is... I dont want any of those accound bound thingies. Things I wanted to buy was seasonal, so its gone or still having only single char option.
 
So CRABINE PLS make Lil Scratches account bound with same system so I can finally buy the damn cute thing!	
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Carbine released F2P with mounts in cash-shop
Community whines that they are not account bound and suggest to even pay a bit more for it
Carbine implements account bound mounts at slightly higher prices
Community cries foul and it's outrageous
 
 	
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Olivar... two whiners in one topic is not community... its just that.
 
Most of the people you actually see around are on the contrary pretty excited and happy.
 
If only they implement this to all things in shop (at least decor, mounts and pets), for now it is only the new things. Crabine probably needs to test us first :D	
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Dear Carbine,
 
If you're reading these forums at all, I'm sure you recognize that I'm not shy about letting you know when I think you're making a mistake.
 
This is not one of those times.
 
Thanks for listening and giving us the option to choose between less-expensive character-bound and and more-expensive account-bound purchases. I hope to see these options made available on more of the things you sell.	
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Olivar... two whiners in one topic is not community... its just that.
 
Most of the people you actually see around are on the contrary pretty excited and happy.
 
If only they implement this to all things in shop (at least decor, mounts and pets), for now it is only the new things. Crabine probably needs to test us first :D
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I saw a lot of people ask for it, talk about it.
I don't really mind the change, it's good. Should have been done from the beginning really.
Would be even better if they did it retro-actively for all mounts,  past purchases included.
 
It's just the same every damned time:
Carbine does A
Players demand B
Carbine gives out B
Players whine how A was better and now need solution C
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Or players whine about how B isn't 100% free and therefore is "just another money grab".
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An account bound option for purchases is a good thing that should have been there since the start, so it's good to see the option finally available. Hopefuly they'll extend it to the other items soon. I do not have any complain about the current prices, specially once I started comparing it with some other games that do not offer an account bound option at all. 
 
Well, I WOULD complain about ALL the prices because none of these 'goods' have any actual replication cost attached to them, but that's really a problem with the F2P 'industry' rather than Carbine. And compared with that standard, Carbine is being very nice, if you ask me.	
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			It's sad that a thread with so many positive things to say about this (overall, most responses to Carbine appear to be supportive) has such a negative title.	
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It's sad that a thread with so many positive things to say about this (overall, most responses to Carbine appear to be supportive) has such a negative title.
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Don't be sad *hug* I think it's actually a good thing. Despite the negative title of the thread people have come out and openly expressed that they're happy. I would be shocked if a Dev just judged a thread soley based on the title as opposed to the content within. Imagine it...A Dev sees the thread goes "oh boy...her we go" and as they progress through it you can see them smile "oh...we did good, yay!".
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It's just the same every damned time:
Carbine does A
Players demand B
Carbine gives out B
Players whine how A was better and now need solution C
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I'm more concerned with how the passing observer might judge the game based on the thread title at a casual glance. First impressions and all.
 
I actually have no dog in this hunt at all (I'm unlikely to buy a mount), but I want people who do buy these things to see the fair pricing (compared to other games) and think "wow- this seems like a good deal".
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I'm actually more than fine with this and most of the time i'm very critical with F2P stuff.
 
Maybe it's because i have 12 characters and unlocking them for every char would costs hundrets of dollars and one single account claim gives me this pet to all.
 
Also ... 295 ominibits for the new pets is ridiculously less! I can get this amount of omnibits while playing what? 1 - 2 weeks while doing typical stuff. Don't even have to create a second char like in LotRO, where you have to do stupidly tons of deeds to get 40 Turbine coins!
 
I got signature well for 16 plat the ingame currency? So for free and earn omnibits and money now even faster so ... whats the problem here? Everything is fine.
 
Double price for account bound stuff! Seems legit! Nice work has been done with this cute pets and beside of getting them over way one: ABSOLUTLY FREE (As stated above) I feel they are worth all the NCOINS.	
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I'm not worried, because I wouldn't do it at all. 
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Such anger. Bazeleel, your indignation was fine until you realized the vocal majority here didn't support your opinion (or the way you expressed it), and then you decided to call everyone 'sheep'. lols.  People would be sheep if they jumped on your emotionally-fueled bandwagon and started to throw dookie at Carbine for trying to compromise.
 
That nonsense aside, it seems like a fine turn of events to me. I agree that some of the items seem too high in price but that should even itself out— if some pets or mounts are overpriced, objectively and harmfully so, then they won't sell well and Carbine/whoever will lower the price and take that into consideration next time. They're here to profit not to destroy their consumers' desire to buy.
 
I also agree that the norms set by the gaming community and game devs are unfortunately high for digital stuff we don't actually own. That said, the trend has been established and will very likely not change in the near future. I'd also like to point out that physically owning something is becoming increasingly irrelevant. It's great if you're talking about food or fuel or other things that will be handy when the apocalypse hits, but our civilizations are becoming more dependent on the breadth of imagination and experience provided by the digital world. If I had a choice between buying ~another~ box of Magic cards (god I've spent so damn much on that game) only to have it sit on my shelf for 30 more years, unused, or spending the same amount of money on a cash shop that gets me stuff I'll actually enjoy for the next year or two... at this point in my gaming life I'll take the latter.
 
This trend also applies to buying games themselves. I still have friends who will proclaim the importance of owning a box copy until they're on their death beds, but it doesn't do them much good. I've been downloading games for years now and it seems the market as a whole is trending that way too, with services like Steam making bank. In today's world it just makes sense. Standing in lineups for day 1 purchases was fun when I was 19. Now I get my preload on and by the time my nerdy friends are entering the store in 0 degree weather I'm sipping a chocolate raspberry coffee in my robe, leveling up, and generally loving life. :P 
 
On the topic of gift trading, I can understand misgivings from some players. There's certainly room to scam and mislead. However, it's important to pay more attention to the reality of life than the theories we come up with in an attempt to anticipate it. Lots of people are gift trading, lots of people are happy, and I haven't seen a single reported instance of anyone being scammed. I have a half dozen people on my friends list that I've sold to— several times to some of them— and it's been great.
 
That said, it would be nice if Carbine stepped in and made a trade window for gifting to absolutely remove any chance of scamming. I just don't think the lack of that feature should reflect poorly on the actual practice of gift trading. It's a lot like when the servers were being merged and a lot of folks were upset/worried about the possibility of RPers being griefed. It's not that they were ~wrong~ about that possibility... it's just that, well, it happened rarely and from what I've seen to no great devastation.
 
That's all from me.
 
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			If you're upset that the title is so negative, you could make a new thread about how you like the changes, and stop posting to this thread. It wouldn't take long for this to get buried.	
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If you're upset that the title is so negative, you could make a new thread about how you like the changes, and stop posting to this thread. It wouldn't take long for this to get buried.
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Someone did it isn't doing so well. XD This has 6 pages people gravitate here, Plus the negative title is click bait,
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 This. People see the negative title and just click "reply" (without so much as attempting to read the rest of the thread) so they can say "rabble rabble yea me too down with Carbine!!" to sound like one of the other "cool kids".
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Sorry if anyone else has mentioned it, but based on the account bound mount being singular currently I can't help but imagine this is a trial run to see what reception looks like. If they make good profits on the account-bound in contrast to their single claims I almost guarantee you that we'll see the option of account bound upgrades on all future mounts.
 
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If you're upset that the title is so negative, you could make a new thread about how you like the changes, and stop posting to this thread. It wouldn't take long for this to get buried.
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ummmm what? Have you read the thread? There's been next to no one who agreed with the OP
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I assume that if someone did this, the moderators would just merge it in here.
 
It is what it is- just wish it could have gone down differebtly.
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Honestly im a bit furious some of those limited time mounts didn't have a multi-claim option meaning none of my alts will ever get to use it.  That being said I would honestly prefer every mount/pet in the game to be stock multi-claim even the old ones it just makes sense if you have the technology you shouldn't gate it behind a paywall essentially.  
 
As far as pricing goes the single claim mount/pets are not bad and some are really good looking and well worth the price on the other hand I don't want to buy them because they are single claim and the multi-claim ones are just simply to much im sorry but i'm not paying almost $20 for a mount that is a just a reskin of another mount with nothing really added.  
 
This will have to change before I spend anymore money on the game, I love this game and have supported them since I started playing a couple months before f2p but now I can't get behind this and won't encourage it.  Just my opinion hope this doesn't come off as a flaming post because its not suppose to here's my feedback and crossing my fingers that things change.	
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pretty greedy decision from carbine (or the publisher).
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			Forcefuly redirected from nice topic to crybaby topic by Crabine... I dont even...	
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So with the crazy amount threads asking for account bound pets and mounts... This is what you comw up with.
 
Is this a joke?? "Give us more money for account bound option" why on earth would i give you money when other mmos simply account bound everything?
 
I get the feeling you just milking whats left of the community till you shut down the game. Red flags everywere with this new announcement.
 
Please dont spend money on this! Show them its not what we want or deserve.
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You mean all those threads where players suggested this exact option?
 
I'm glad Carbine shows they're still listening.. they gave us exactly what we asked for.. sure, some prices may still be a tad high... but overall they're priced well.
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To be fair, plenty of people posted to say they felt the mounts should have been account-bound at the original [single character] price point. But since sufficient people said they would be happy to pay more to get the account-bound option, it was inevitable this was how it would pan out.
 
Usual marketing tactics. Pitch the initial price high and get a tidy return from early adopters. Ride out the complaints from regular customers, then appear to "listen" and be seen to make a compromise by setting your prices to where you planned to set them all along. Protect yourself from the wrath of early adopters by ring-fencing their purchases, at least in the short or medium term.
 
It's not greed, it's just a business finding out what prices the market will support for rented digital fluff.
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To be fair, plenty of people posted to say they felt the mounts should have been account-bound at the original [single character] price point. But since sufficient people said they would be happy to pay more to get the account-bound option, it was inevitable this was how it would pan out.
 
Usual marketing tactics. Pitch the initial price high and get a tidy return from early adopters. Ride out the complaints from regular customers, then appear to "listen" and be seen to make a compromise by setting your prices to where you planned to set them all along. Protect yourself from the wrath of early adopters by ring-fencing their purchases, at least in the short or medium term.
 
It's not greed, it's just a business finding out what prices the market will support for rented digital fluff.
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Pets are completely useless fluff.  At least mounts can be faster and get you going there quicker than running.
 
Some ideas to make them useful/worthwhile:
 
-Pet storage (unique per pet) would encourage buying multiple pets; have ONE pet storage 'bank' so those that get multiple (different) pets only have to access one space without having to summon that specific bank pet; start at something like 14 slots and move up from there.  This would be accessible anytime by summoning any pet with storage OR going to a bank NPC.
 
-Autogather all the things and autovendor the junk/trash/grey items for you even if you aren't near a merchant.
 
Since this is directly monetization-based, it would be in the best interest of Carbine and NcSoft to at least consider ideas from the community.	
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Sorry if this was mentioned already, but what about mounts and pets earned in game? And mount flair? I remember going nuts during the Shade's Eve event trying to get mount flair and stuff for different characters. It would be nice if they used the same system for holiday items; one price for single use and another price for account bound (using holiday currency). That way you could do all the holiday farming on one character.  (This is mainly for mounts/flair/pets, but maybe they could do it for the decor items too. Pay for single use, or pay more to have a copy sent to your alts as well so your account inventory doesn't get clogged up. Or have sections in the account inventory for decor/pets/mounts... I dunno.)
 
 
I like WoW's account bind system, where when you earn a mount or pet in game it just goes into the account's pet/mount directory and is usable on any alt you make. This goes for everything - cheap/starter vendor pets/mounts, random green drops, cash shop items, etc. The only things that are restricted to alts are class specific mounts, and special things like 3v3 arena mounts (as far as I know). As it stands now (unless this changed with the cash shop changes) I'd have to buy mounts and flair from vendors for each character, instead of once for my account. While some would say this gets rid of a cash sink, it would encourage others to buy things they wouldn't buy otherwise just to fill their account. Taking it a step further, there's a reward tier for collecting mounts and pets, which encourages people to farm, go do old content, etc. It creates things to do, gives incentive to play, which is really nice.
 
 
I think what people wanted when they were asking for account bound mounts was a system like that. Where 90% of mounts/pets/flair that you earn or buy with real money can be used on any character. I actually think that having the two separate prices is a good thing, because it doesn't penalize the players who only want one character. However, I think that once you buy or earn something in game, it should be available to all your characters (once again, excluding special PvP items, etc).	
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I like WoW's account bind system, where when you earn a mount or pet in game it just goes into the account's pet/mount directory and is usable on any alt you make. This goes for everything - cheap/starter vendor pets/mounts, random green drops, cash shop items, etc. The only things that are restricted to alts are class specific mounts, and special things like 3v3 arena mounts (as far as I know).
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this is such a hilariously BAD IDEA.
 
At what point did someone in the meeting come up with this and why didn't everyone immediately shoot that person in the face with your anti-stress nerf guns for being a fool?
 
We've explained this time and time again.
 
If you want this game to be successful you need to make adjustments for replayability, ie: alts. You can't just attempt to gouge your playerbase further on top of having almost no content added in 2 years, on top of optimization issues, on top bugs that have been around forever, etc etc etc
 
I see this like a really nice apt with a really terrible landlord. Lived here for 2 years, but the landlord keeps trying to raise the rent and never wants to come around and fix any of the broken crap.
 
Guess what? We'll all find new places to live. End of story and you (carbine) can sit here with your nice apt left vacant while we all are enjoying ourselves elsewhere.
 
What I am typing, This is reality. This will happen, it's not a matter of if, but only when.
 
Keep the prices like they are currently, make everything account based.
 
End of story.
 
This was an extremely easy thing to fix / adjust. We shouldn't even be having this conversation now. All you've done is shown that you are greedy and people don't respond well to greed.
 
Sorry.
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this is such a hilariously BAD IDEA.
 
At what point did someone in the meeting come up with this and why didn't everyone immediately shoot that person in the face with your anti-stress nerf guns for being a fool?
 
We've explained this time and time again.
 
If you want this game to be successful you need to make adjustments for replayability, ie: alts. You can't just attempt to gouge your playerbase further on top of having almost no content added in 2 years, on top of optimization issues, on top bugs that have been around forever, etc etc etc
 
I see this like a really nice apt with a really terrible landlord. Lived here for 2 years, but the landlord keeps trying to raise the rent and never wants to come around and fix any of the broken crap.
 
Guess what? We'll all find new places to live. End of story and you (carbine) can sit here with your nice apt left vacant while we all are enjoying ourselves elsewhere.
 
What I am typing, This is reality. This will happen, it's not a matter of if, but only when.
 
Keep the prices like they are currently, make everything account based.
 
End of story.
 
This was an extremely easy thing to fix / adjust. We shouldn't even be having this conversation now. All you've done is shown that you are greedy and people don't respond well to greed.
 
Sorry.	
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Did you even read the replies in this thread?
This is what the community asked for.
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The community was pretty unified in the demand for "account bound".  There were a few waving the "we'll pay more" banner but that sentiment was not so widely shared.  That said, relative to the industry standard, CRB's account bound prices are really good so cheers for that.
 
But that doesn't address the fact that the industry standard makes a mockery of "micro transactions".
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I don't think the price is bad for the single or account bound mount, there's only one thus far. The two pet's @ 790 or 1380 for account bound (1) is ridiculous. The same price for a pet that does nothing but follow you around as a mount? At least the Mount has a purpose.
 
I support this transition but not the price point on those two pets. I bought the Bobberbot account bound to show my support. I believe the lower price point (490/860) is reasonable not the higher one.	
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