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Ok that looks pretty awesome. I wonder how close they are to a beta.
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Alpha begins in early summer. Beta probably this fall.
 
And yeah they are playing on Game of Thrones big time. They're very into feedback and seem to understand the modern mmo market pretty well.
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I don't know what to think of Crowfall....
might give it a spin when beta is there....
but not particulary hyped about it.	
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Hey folks, Crowfall discussion belongs in off topic please. :) 
 
Thank you
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I think that's the point. We'd rather pay for someone to design things we want than to even play for free while they spend time making things we don't.
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			Ok, so if we are to see a change I really hope it's B2P rather than F2P.  ESO did this too when pulling boxes of the shelf and they still went B2P so there is hope it isn't F2P.	
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Ok, so if we are to see a change I really hope it's B2P rather than F2P.  ESO did this too when pulling boxes of the shelf and they still went B2P so there is hope it isn't F2P.
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Ah, so now you understand the plight of the pvper, and why this game must see a payment model change.
 
I'd rather you guys pay for all of your exclusive pets, housing decor, costumes, etc, than watch pvp get little art and development time.
 
...and that's the crux of the argument. The people that like the game in its current state and the direction it is going are not numerous enough to keep the game alive.
 
Those of us that want/need changes simply aren't getting them with such a small player base / faction of influence.
 
Long live b2pf2p cash shop.
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See the thing is though when ESO pulled its boxes it also removed time cards from stores. It removed the option to sub for a year online as well. I've been keeping my eye on this since February here in WildStar and have not seen them take down their option to sub for a year. So I'm suspecting a F2P model similar to what Swtor has where if you sub you get perks, but idk. I would prefer them to follow their colleague GW2.
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True True. But I'm just saying they removed the option before the change so it's just some sort of example. A vague one I know.
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Whatever it is I hope it's a B2P.  The box prices have went back up to $40 on amazon and other retailers.  Didn't this happen with ESO going back to $60 when it was once $40 or cheaper.
 
Yea, at least wit a full PvP server we can go mess around in the OW and kill each other rather than sitting in a city all day waiting for queues to pop.
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Seriously. Miss those days. 
 
We're gonna see a lot of people we haven't seen in months....and a lot of new faces. I'm ecstatic.
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Oh come on. You don't have to be poor to realize that F2P MMOs tend to price their cash shop items in a way that ultimately ends up costing the player more than the $15/month they would spend in a subscription MMO.
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maybe...
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Well, we'll see new faces, that's for sure.
 
I suppose the Outrage-O-Rama might run a few of the current regular off, but (no offense) I'd rather have a million happy, new (or returning) players, than twenty forumites with an attitude.
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			I don't think they'd shut the game down, it's way too soon for that.	
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I don't think they'd shut the game down, it's way too soon for that.
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Idk man NCSoft has a pretty bad rep for doing this. It is possible. I don't think it's likely, least not yet. Why not attempt a B2P/F2P model and then set the ship on fire if it's still sinking.
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The game is on clearance at Best Buy now as well:
 
http://massivelyop.net/2015/04/16/wildstar-is-now-on-clearance-at-best-buy/
 
I definitely think a switch to B2P or even full on F2P like Rift is imminent. It has done wonders so far for ESO, so I'm cautiously optimistic.	
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			It's actually been on clearance for awhile now.	
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The game is on clearance at Best Buy now as well:
 
http://massivelyop.net/2015/04/16/wildstar-is-now-on-clearance-at-best-buy/
 
I definitely think a switch to B2P or even full on F2P like Rift is imminent. It has done wonders so far for ESO, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
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The game is on clearance at Best Buy now as well:
 
http://massivelyop.net/2015/04/16/wildstar-is-now-on-clearance-at-best-buy/
 
I definitely think a switch to B2P or even full on F2P like Rift is imminent. It has done wonders so far for ESO, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
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It's clearance at Walmart, too. $38 bucks, though. http://www.walmart.com/ip/WildStar-PC/37201790
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True, but FFXIV:ARR isn't devoid of population, being pulled from shelves in other countries, or holding a "buy a box" promotion.
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Evidence F2P rumors have all the kids excited: 
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FFXIV is also FINAL EFFING FANTASY, one of the most MASSIVE IPs in the WORLD with one of the most ENORMOUS fanbases EVER.
 
Of course they have a bigger population, are you out of your mind?? Do you have any idea how many rabid final fantasy fanboys there are?
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FFXIV:ARR is on clearance as well. Does that mean they will be switching to F2P/B2P
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Don't even joke about that  :angry: FFXIV is the most likely game I'll be playing if Wildstar goes f2p.
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I thought that game was tab-targeting boring garbage. I can never go back to a tab target game after this.
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I thought that game was tab-targeting boring garbage. I can never go back to a tab target game after this.
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Have any Australian players actually even confirmed that the game isn't available at JB HiFi any more?
 
I have just been into a JB HiFi here in Auckland, NZ (same company, Australian owned) and it is still on the shelves at the full, original price of NZ$108.00. It's not on their online store, but then I can't confirm if it ever was.
 
Needless to say I didn't buy it. I did however find 3 copies just around the corner at The Warehouse (a kind of cheap, discount chain like Walmart) which were reduced to NZ$20.00 and snapped them up! :D	
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http://massivelyop.net/2015/04/18/elder-scrolls-online-advertises-cash-shop-item-in-game/#comments
 
Free to play is not all rainbows and unicorns
 
Take Elder Scrolls for example. It just went free to play.
 
Now players are bombarded with in game advertising to let people know the "deals" of the day and since its megaserver is world wide it advertizes in various languages.
 
 
 
ESO's cash store also sells stat boosters which I'm sure will be required by every raider.
 
This isn't to say free to play is all bad but Carbine will need to make money and if they aren't getting it from subscriptions, they will need to make up for it in other ways.
 
So just be prepared
 
 	
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			Do you play ESO?  Because your link implies that your post here is misleading.	
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http://massivelyop.net/2015/04/18/elder-scrolls-online-advertises-cash-shop-item-in-game/#comments
 
Free to play is not all rainbows and unicorns
 
Take Elder Scrolls for example. It just went free to play.
 
Now players are bombarded with in game advertising to let people know the "deals" of the day and since its megaserver is world wide it advertizes in various languages.
 
ESO's cash store also sells stat boosters which I'm sure will be required by every raider.
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			Wondering if anyone knows the tech side of this. Simply put, if game goes B2P/F2P and suddenly there are thousands of players trying to log on, would the current server situation be able to handle such a large influx of players? 	
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Wondering if anyone knows the tech side of this. Simply put, if game goes B2P/F2P and suddenly there are thousands of players trying to log on, would the current server situation be able to handle such a large influx of players? 
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Wondering if anyone knows the tech side of this. Simply put, if game goes B2P/F2P and suddenly there are thousands of players trying to log on, would the current server situation be able to handle such a large influx of players? 
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http://massivelyop.net/2015/04/18/elder-scrolls-online-advertises-cash-shop-item-in-game/#comments
 
Free to play is not all rainbows and unicorns
 
Take Elder Scrolls for example. It just went free to play.
 
Now players are bombarded with in game advertising to let people know the "deals" of the day and since its megaserver is world wide it advertizes in various languages.
 
 
 
ESO's cash store also sells stat boosters which I'm sure will be required by every raider.
 
This isn't to say free to play is all bad but Carbine will need to make money and if they aren't getting it from subscriptions, they will need to make up for it in other ways.
 
So just be prepared
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Also, the "stat boosters" that are for sale in the cash shop are in no way better than crafted consumables, so I don't see how they can be "required" by anyone, at least as far as being bought is concerned. They're there for the people who would rather not spend time gathering to craft (or for lazy subbers to spend some of their stipend on).
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Any time you create an alternative, cash shop-means of obtaining an item, the in-game means of obtaining that item becomes more painful over time. I was poking at leveling one of my crafts in Rift the other day only to find that the next tier of vendor mats the recipes require cost well over 1 plat each (the previous tier was around 20g a piece for the required vendor mat), but of course if you want you can spend a dozen or so credits to buy it instead.
 
This happens because there is an incentive to drive people towards spending money on the cash shop. Ultimately things get more painful to do in-game.
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I've been playing ESO lately.  I haven't noticed any ingame advertising for their cash shop items.  I don't know if I'm just blind, but then again I haven't logged in to play it today, but I was on there just last night and there didn't appear to be anything new or different about the game in terms of its advertising.  The advertising seems to be pretty well limited to the login screen, while the other players running around with the mounts and the costumes does all the advertising in the game, which isn't really all that obtrusive, imo.
 
@Evade:  Are you sure that's actually an ingame advertisement in your screenshot and it wasn't something that someone photo-shopped?  I don't speak German, let alone know how to read it, so as far as I know, that could say just about anything about Sencheleopards.
 
Through the magic of the internet, I'm sure that there are some bilingual people out there who can translate that for the rest of us?	
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@Evade:  Are you sure that's actually an ingame advertisement in your screenshot and it wasn't something that someone photo-shopped?  I don't speak German, let alone know how to read it, so as far as I know, that could say just about anything about Sencheleopards.
 
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The link that they posted with it goes into detail about how it is something ESO is doing and there is an official response from Zenimax regarding the tactic. So it's legit.
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Basically:
 
"Add the Sencheleopard (leopard mount) to your collection today!  He can be found in the Crown Shop (opened with the comma key), but only until April 20th (that's the 20.4)!"
 
So yeah, that sounds like marketing speak.
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Ya. I could read it. I do think it's a little overboard to do it in multiple languages in the middle of the screen, though there is no way to just do it in one language due to the multilingual server.
However, something in the chat box would be more tactful imo. Though I don't mind the actual advertisement, and I'm sure I'm in the minority with that opinion.
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You mean the same way that here, if you want a top tier crafting mat (biophagic cluster) you have to either
 
1) pick one up as a raid-only drop,
2) go farm a plat, or
3) pull out your credit card, buy a CREDD token, and pick up 15 of them no sweat?
 
Because what you just described is already how it works here too.
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			This topic is long.... so will WS go f2p or not :O? Any news? (let's hope it finally will :( ). Looking for guild for 2 months is actually depressing.	
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This topic is long.... so will WS go f2p or not :o? Any news? (let's hope it finally will :( ). Looking for guild for 2 months is actually depressing.
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			Maybe there are other sources.	
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			theyre prob pulling oceanic boxes because there's virtually no oceanic population, the lag is pretty awful for them, and they're rolling out in china later in the year	
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Maybe there are other sources.
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			Why not? Maybe if we will disscuss it constantly they will see that people wants it and will make decission to go f2p? The best option would be to make poll.	
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Why not? Maybe if we will disscuss it constantly they will see that people wants it and will make decission to go f2p? The best option would be to make poll.
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theyre prob pulling oceanic boxes because there's virtually no oceanic population, the lag is pretty awful for them, and they're rolling out in china later in the year
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			Question is if we will get f2p too?	
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			Roda - and what would you lose if it has gone f2p? I don't exaclty see the point here. More people would be only better fo the overall game experience, don't you think so? And the f2p WOULD bring more ppl.	
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I would lose a game that prioritizes creating fun gameplay over skinnerbox whale bait.
I currently have no faith in Carbine/NCsoft to do a b2p right let alone a f2p game.
 
 
If you're worried about not enough community then be a part of the *cupcake* community.
Foster that shit.  This is a problem that WE can fix.  And it would be less damaging to the game than if we just opened up the floodgates and let NCSoft prey on collectors.
 
 
The game is not a wow killer, and it will never be, but it is not at ALL dire right now.
Let d5 play out.
Let the trial play out.
The community is growing again.
Just because it's not instant, doesn't mean it's not working.	
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You know you're worried about a community of <200k when f2p would bring in a million, right?
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			You know you're worried about a community of <200k when f2p would bring in a million, right?	
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Roda - okay, you have a point that we can't know how ti would end if it gone f2p... but look at aion! Did NCsoft destroyed it with f2p? NO! So why should we worry about this?
I am part of the community! I really love this game! It's one of the best mmos out there... but it's not so fun when there are no people! If I could I would bring all the wow community here. This game is 1000000000 times better than WoW but you can't deny that there is big problem with playerbase! And the only good, fast and reliable solution is f2p.
 
Let's see how it works right now - you bring your friends to the game, they play it, they enjoy it, but slowly they are starting to think - what the hell, why there are no people, why I can't play bgs, dungeon whenever I want... and then they are slowly getting bored with game and unsub. It's endless cycle. Maybe some marketing would bring people to the game, but I didn't seen single AD of Wildstar ANYWHERE! The game is known only thanks to word of the mouth.
 
Tell me how can we fix this problem and I will stop with this f2p. Tell me about reliable method of growing our playerbase!	
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Why not? Maybe if we will disscuss it constantly they will see that people wants it and will make decission to go f2p? The best option would be to make poll.
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You talking to me?
Cause I don't really want a million people flood into the game all at once if it's at the cost of how this game presents its content.
 
I'm patient.  I can wait for the game to grow slowly* with word-of-mouth and community recruiting.
Quality > Quantity.
 
 
*I say slowly 'cause compared to a relaunch it would be slower, but it would have higher retention rates.  Even then, the rate of growth seems to be very nice so far.  Around 150 folk in thayd just dickin' about tonight, compared to the measly double digits of early 2015
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Roda - okay, you have a point that we can't know how ti would end if it gone f2p... but look at aion! Did NCsoft destroyed it with f2p? NO! So why should we worry about this?
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are they rolling out in china? In that case...its going F2P/B2P for sure:) Subscription is not in the chineese vocabulary!
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I hate these conversations.  "F2P by next month."  "Game will go F2P soon."  "We need F2P."
 
Been hearing these "by next month" and "soon" posts for months now.  Months and months.  Having worked for a B2P MMO I do NOT want this game to change sub model.  I can budget $15/mo.  I can budget one payment.  I can get everything I want for one price.  I don't have to worry about something cool that I really want stuck behind a $10 currency package, or someone else parading around an expensive cash shop item that I can't afford but really wanted.  I don't want a dev team so clearly committed to improving their core game shifting ANY focus to making cash shop/gamble box items.  Now, more than ever, is NOT the time for a model change.  Not when Carbine is working the way they are.
 
We see this same tired crap every thread, every day, every hour, as though incessantly bringing up F2P arguments will somehow make Carbine say "Wow, we really need to drop this payment model."  It's even worse on the WS facebook page.  Every single freaking post has 2-3 people spamming "F2P YET?  B2P YET?  NO F2P LOL" like a bunch of brain-damage cockatoos.  Instead of discussing cool things about the game, or suggesting cool content, threads get bowled over by payment model arguments.  Every single god damned thread I've been in for the past 2 months has turned into a payment model argument.  I'm about to just quit the damn forums forever, which sucks, because some seriously cool stuff happens here, great ideas and fun banter!  But for every 1 post about something nifty there's 5 others about "GAME DED?"  or "F2P PLZ" or "NO SUB" or "CARBINE WTF" or some other amalgamation of the same homogenized crap this particular forum subsection has been bathed in for weeks and weeks and weeks.
 
Just, for the love of god, let's revisit this when the game is in a better state.	
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There's oceanic players?
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You know you're worried about a community of <200k when f2p would bring in a million, right?
 
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I hate these conversations.  "F2P by next month."  "Game will go F2P soon."  "We need F2P."
 
Been hearing these "by next month" and "soon" posts for months now.  Months and months.  Having worked for a B2P MMO I do NOT want this game to change sub model.  I can budget $15/mo.  I can budget one payment.  I can get everything I want for one price.  I don't have to worry about something cool that I really want stuck behind a $10 currency package, or someone else parading around an expensive cash shop item that I can't afford but really wanted.  I don't want a dev team so clearly committed to improving their core game shifting ANY focus to making cash shop/gamble box items.  Now, more than ever, is NOT the time for a model change.  Not when Carbine is working the way they are.
 
We see this same tired crap every thread, every day, every hour, as though incessantly bringing up F2P arguments will somehow make Carbine say "Wow, we really need to drop this payment model."  It's even worse on the WS facebook page.  Every single freaking post has 2-3 people spamming "F2P YET?  B2P YET?  NO F2P LOL" like a bunch of brain-damage cockatoos.  Instead of discussing cool things about the game, or suggesting cool content, threads get bowled over by payment model arguments.  Every single god damned thread I've been in for the past 2 months has turned into a payment model argument.  I'm about to just quit the damn forums forever, which sucks, because some seriously cool stuff happens here, great ideas and fun banter!  But for every 1 post about something nifty there's 5 others about "GAME DED?"  or "F2P PLZ" or "NO SUB" or "CARBINE WTF" or some other amalgamation of the same homogenized crap this particular forum subsection has been bathed in for weeks and weeks and weeks.
 
Just, for the love of god, let's revisit this when the game is in a better state.
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Roda - my only concern about CS is P2W and Aion's CS isn't P2W imo. So It's not bad.
Okay I will say that - I would much more prefer for WS to stay as P2P but from the other hand I really desprately looking for other player to play with. I even created topic on the forum about this - https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/125429-im-looking-for-guildbuddies-exile/&do=findComment&comment=1311575 - and I got zero responses. Did I wrote something bad? Did I word it wrong? I don't think so... so the only possible conclusion is - there are no people interested in what I written and I assure you in at least a little populated mmo posts like this would get some response. Maybe the playerbase is good and growing in us but eu is just.... bad.
Obviously - telling anyone who wants to play WS "hey, dude, this game is dying, we need f2p" won't help, that's why I'm not doing it. I'm trying to get my friend into game but I'm from poland and here for most people 20 euro is too much, especially if they don't work and game doesn't look promising. For me? It's not a problem. I can pay it, really! I can pay it, it's not about my wallet, it's all about the playerbase!	
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I hate these conversations.  "F2P by next month."  "Game will go F2P soon."  "We need F2P."
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This thread is full of entitled moaners who think because they have a PC they should have access to every game on the PC free.
 
Ridiculous. 
 
I can't afford a GTX 980 or a Titan X, should that be free?
 
I can't afford Witcher 3, should that be free?	
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Thanks for the feedback everyone, this thread is just going around in circles now and is no longer constructive - as such I'm locking it. 
 
- Team WildStar 	
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