114497-cloaks-and-capes

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			Hi Carbine!! I would like to know if you guys are going to implement capes/cloaks in the future? in my opinion with you guys design they will look so badass!!! Im looking forward to see this implemented in the game, just as a cosmetic (no stats) so that who ever doesnt like them can just hide them.	
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			Capes are tricky - lots of potential for clipping problems, and this lot doesn't seem to be very good at solving clipping problems.	
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			Also would make Edna Mode unhappy.  We do have an awful lot of cyclones and turbines running around on Nexus.	
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			Firstly there's no item slot for a cape, and it's not trivial to add one.Secondly, I've yet to see an MMO that managed to do better than "ok" when it came to capes. City of Heroes got them decent, but even then it took years. In most games they're horrible looking.	
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Firstly there's no item slot for a cape, and it's not trivial to add one.
 
Secondly, I've yet to see an MMO that managed to do better than "ok" when it came to capes. City of Heroes got them decent, but even then it took years. In most games they're horrible looking.
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There were actually a few in SWTOR that looked cool.  If you were standing still and never used your vehicles/mounts.  But once you moved/mounted, clipping and graphic issues made them horrifying LOL
 
And aslo:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy2YhxXn7NY
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No capes, please.
 
Useless waste of pixels, IMHO. Besides, who wants to add one more thing on their character's back? We already have guild emblems, our weapons, and of course our chest pieces.	
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City of Heroes got them decent, but even then it took years.
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			Long scarfs, then?	
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Long scarfs, then?
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Well, given that this is a western-based game, cowboys did wear cloak things when out at night. More like a robe than a cape, but they split on the front to allow them to shoot and all that.
 
So I vote yes! ^^	
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Only if they look like this...
 
Dr Who Scarf
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Well, given that this is a western-based game, cowboys did wear cloak things when out at night. More like a robe than a cape, but they split on the front to allow them to shoot and all that.
 
So I vote yes! ^^
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Well, given that this is a western-based game, cowboys did wear cloak things when out at night.
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Alot of them also wore ponchos which were split on the sides, but that was again more for ease in getting on/off the for access to firearms.
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They are dusters and were split in back allowing them to ride horses while wearing a coat. Most coats are 'split' in front so you don't have to wiggle into them like a worm.
 
I still vote no.
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No capes!
 
Dusters, bandanas, and ponchos, maybe.	
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No capes!
 
Dusters, bandanas, and ponchos, maybe.
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Also, to be fair, most western gunfighters didn't wear Stetsons and dusters, they wore suits and bowler hats in much larger numbers.
 
Butch Cassidy's original Wild Bunch:
 
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			I think that picture clearly indicates that we need pocket watches.	
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The clothes I wear for a formal picture are nothing like what I wear every day. Even moreso back in the day where pictures were a new and formal thing. :)
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That's not often the case for bank robbers, at least not these ones.  ;)  It was the case for actual herders, the real cowboys, since they spent long stretches in often hot conditions in the sunlight.  They often weren't gunfighters since they actually had a day job.  Your average gunfighters kept cabins and hiding holes everywhere and simply tried to stay incognito in actual towns.  There are exceptions to this, notably those who had previously served in civil war cavalry (where a stetson-style hat was part of their uniform).  But your average gunfighter was either a sheriff or a criminal (often having once been both) and were relatively urbane for their setting.  Not very movie-interesting fashion, though.  There's an old western movie trope that actually marked your character by the hat which resonates to today.  Men in white stetsons were heroes, black stetsons were villains, brown stetsons were generally ranchers, and bowlers were "civilized" townspeople.
 
That, and not many people could pull off a short-brimmed hat in a western movie and look awesome.  There's one I can think of offhand, though...
 
 
Unless you have more Russell Crowes around, though, you can't make a Western look that good.  Much easier to put people in Stetsons, so people immediately recognize that it's a western.  It's also been that a lot more recent westerns don't focus on many professional gunfighters, but on "hardworking ranchers" that have to become gunfighters.
 
The Wild Bunch, though, weren't those kinds of people.  Most professional gunfighters weren't; they tended to stay in cabins or in towns when they could and moved around between them.
 
 
 
See, that actually did get done in a movie once...
 
 
And, let's face it, we don't want historically accurate, we want the above.  With watches.
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And the hats....
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And the hats....
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That looks closer to a Pilgrim hat. nty
 
I want a cowboy hat. Historically accurate or not! :P
 
...and Tombstone is one of my favorite movies of all time, so +1.	
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Yes to capes, PLEASE.
 
I want a dang super hero look.	
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I don't think the clipping issues would be worth it. There are already a few pesky incidents depending on your race/class. Also, with mobility being so prevalent in this game, I think it would only add to the potential for bugs or graphical errors for people to fuss about. Going to just agree with Edna.
 	
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Yes to capes, PLEASE.
 
I want a dang super hero look.
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Huh, we already have magic powers, super strength and endurance, and can teleport and cross dimensions.
 
Sounds a lot like a super hero too me, just saying.
 
EDIT:  Batman has a cape, just putting that out there.	
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Batman gets a pass because....he's Batman.
 
Besides, what we really need to be asking for is Tactical Turtlenecks.
 
 
You know you want one. We already have the Science goggles to match it!	
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Yes, the hats! We need more hats.
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			Ponchos for the win!	
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			I do and would love capes, but my position is neutral. As pointed above, it probably wouldn't be worth it for the effort it would take.	
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Though cloaks and capes can be fun (they are a lot of fun to animate, getting the wave principles to follow through and loop prettily, but a challenge to make sure they work with different builds, body sizes and movements) I would much prefer a short list of the following costume items:
 
Civillian shirts.  I want more fun, simple, stylish tops.  Collared, tshirts, tank tops, blouses, one shoulder, tubetops, half buttoned shirts, shirts with ties (and different ties at that!), double breasted shirts (like a chef, BAM!), turtlenecks, sweaters, vests, suit jackets, etc.  Keep the patterns simple so we can dye to our hearts content with neat bold decisions.
Hats.  Again, like above, give me ubiquitous civillian hats.  The Grand Pooh-Bot's fez was a brilliant addition and so was the berret.  Now I'm hungry for MOAR MOAR MOAR!  Bowlers, cowboy hats, chef hat, peaked hats, top hats, judge's wig, etc.
SKIRTS.  OMG, make with the skirts.  I know for riding reasons they need to have divides in them (unless you give us some nice side-saddle riding animations, hint hint), but I want my skirts.  I want a little black dress so I can go dancing at Club Trix.  And I want to see Granok and Mechari in kilts.  Tall males in kilts, Carbine!  *sexy purr*
That's the short list.  Ask me again and I'll have even more unreasonable demands. :D	
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More hats, better hats. 500 hats!
 
Hats. 
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Also, to be fair, most western gunfighters didn't wear Stetsons and dusters, they wore suits and bowler hats in much larger numbers.
 
Butch Cassidy's original Wild Bunch:
 
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			Cowboy hat for all first ... then the other stuff. ;)	
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			I can only think of Gravestone when I think of Cowboy hats and Wildstar.	
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Yeah but that was a fancy photo. You might get like 2-3 in your whole lifetime in those days, so you can bet your ass you wore your best clothes for them. You probably didn't wear your bank robbing clothes.
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What would you expect to wear robbing a bank.  There's a reason you don't wear this, for example:
 
 
These days, that gets popularized because, let's face it, long coats and wide-brimmed hats are awesome and iconic.  And these days, it's more important to smuggle your weapon into the bank than to have it at hand.  I actually do own a duster and a stetson (and they're great for all kinds of outdoor activity), but unless you're riding in them, they're not necessarily very helpful.  Everyone had a set of "town clothes" and that's what you wore.  Which makes logical sense, of course.  These days we have "casual wear" but back in those days, you had two kinds of clothes, work clothes you wore if you worked outdoors and your Sunday clothes and town clothes you wore doing everything else.
 
It's a sort of dissonance we have with time that we imagine a lot of people walked around with stetsons and long coats on, especially in the southwest where the temperature makes this kind of clothing a liability (this was a lot more common when it was cold and in northern states of the frontier).  Your average cowboy in places like Texas and Nevada had a coat for when it did get cold, but obviously didn't for most of the months of the year.  Generally a straw lacquered hat or light-colored wool hat and a shirt constituted your work clothing.  You needed the wide brim to keep the sun off your face.
 
All of these things become liabilities when you're doing anything else.  Take it from someone who knows:  heeled cowboy boots are made for horse riding, not running or jogging, those long oilskin and wool dusters get hot very quickly and get in your way when you have to move, and those hats start hitting everything once you're inside a more confined area and like to come off.  So while that kind of wear was very common for working outdoors (which is, of course, what a lot of people out in the middle of nowhere were doing back then and might have been a common garb of your low rent cattle rustlers), it wasn't for most of the people who lived out west, especially the criminals robbing coaches and trains.
 
It also doesn't help that Stetson had competition.  A lot of people who wore wide-brimmed hats didn't wear cowboy hats; there were a lot of Mexican vacqueros around that predated the American cowboys who tended to wear the sombrero (the real sombrero), and cowboys, even robbers, could usually only afford one or two hats.  Mostly, they owned the bowler and that's all they could afford, but when they could afford another, they had a lot of options.  Wild Bill Hickock was often pictured wearing a woman's pancake hat.
 
 
Imagine if you got one of Kate Middleton's ridiculous Pringles hats and wore that.   :lol:
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			I am all for this, so long as they are white and longer than your average cloak or cape. 	
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I am all for this, so long as they are white and longer than your average cloak or cape. 
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