116254-little-things-that-make-you-think-carbine-is-done-with-this-game

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Hi folks,
 
im not an pessimistic person at all but...
 
Some little things that draw my attention and make me think "they don't really wanna go on with this game...":
- The patcher still says "Closed" - but servers are online....
- Most applications have some kind of profiles today and so has wildstar (Addon-Savedata per char per Realm) ....
what makes the devs think that someone DON't want to take his previous addon settings with him when he gets a forceful "profile migration" (e.g. name change).
i had to go into my appdata folder and look how things are saved there and fiddle out what to copy ... why can't the game do that on a forced rename?!
 
That are just 2 things but i guess i can find so much more details that show ... they have no fun at all developing this game to the customers satisfaction of todays defaults.
 
Im not angry im just thinking a lot	
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1.) The patcher says closed because of browser caching operation that doesn't look for the newest status from the web, but instead posts the last status from your local cache.   It doesn't refresh, it just repeats the last thing it saw, so clear your browser cache.
 
2.) They can't automatically migrate your settings because third party addons are not all alike, and don't always follow carbine's own save structure.  It's easy to rename the "Oldserver" folder to "Newserver", then go in deeper and rename "Old char" folders to "New chars".
 
Some addons have a different save structure though, and require actually editing the contents of the save file to look for server names and character names, and the game can't do that for you because it doesn't know everything about every addon ever made.
 
WoW certainly doesn't do this and it has a far more robust addon community, so I don't see why you would expect Wildstar to.  Also, there was a post on these forums explaining how to migrate your settings.	
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Hi folks,
 
im not an pessimistic person at all but...
 
Some little things that draw my attention and make me think "they don't really wanna go on with this game...":
- The patcher still says "Closed" - but servers are online....
- Most applications have some kind of profiles today and so has wildstar (Addon-Savedata per char per Realm) ....
what makes the devs think that someone DON't want to take his previous addon settings with him when he gets a forceful "profile migration" (e.g. name change).
i had to go into my appdata folder and look how things are saved there and fiddle out what to copy ... why can't the game do that on a forced rename?!
 
That are just 2 things but i guess i can find so much more details that show ... they have no fun at all developing this game to the customers satisfaction of todays defaults.
 
Im not angry im just thinking a lot
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1.) The patcher says closed because of browser caching operation that doesn't look for the newest status from the web, but instead posts the last status from your local cache.   It doesn't refresh, it just repeats the last thing it saw, so clear your browser cache.
 
2.) They can't automatically migrate your settings because third party addons are not all alike, and don't always follow carbine's own save structure.  It's easy to rename the "Oldserver" folder to "Newserver", then go in deeper and rename "Old char" folders to "New chars".
 
Some addons have a different save structure though, and require actually editing the contents of the save file to look for server names and character names, and the game can't do that for you because it doesn't know everything about every addon ever made.
 
WoW certainly doesn't do this and it has a far more robust addon community, so I don't see why you would expect Wildstar to.  Also, there was a post on these forums explaining how to migrate your settings.
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I still can't sit when pressing my hotkey to sit.  I can't reply to whisper (great now that you have to type out entire names).  I can't view an item in the AH without an addon.  I can't view items linked in chat without an addon. 
 
These are just a few QoL things off the top of my head that have been around since launch.  I don't think moving your addons for you are a priority.	
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to 1) good for you to know. i expect a patcher to look for "latets" content on the servers and not in my cache ...so, broken by design?
to 2) i dont expect the game to look where the addon "might" have saved data but to copy  Oldserver/Oldcharname/*  to NewServer/New Charname/
thats all i have done actually and its enough to get my settings all back. So? ... why can't the game do that?
I don't compare the game to Wow. I compare it to modern best practices in software development.... and to satisfy my customer, i would at least let the game ask "should i try to migrate your addon settings now?" ...
 
you can always have excuses for everything, sure. The question is: How serious do you appear after taking the way with the lesser work the X-th time?
 
Its a critical point for the game ... if it was my BBQ, i would show a lot more commitment and let the people know that i WANT my BBQ to be something special and tasty for you!
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I can't reply to whisper (great now that you have to type out entire names).
 
 
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I still can't sit when pressing my hotkey to sit.  I can't reply to whisper (great now that you have to type out entire names).  I can't view an item in the AH without an addon.  I can't view items linked in chat without an addon. 
 
These are just a few QoL things off the top of my head that have been around since launch.  I don't think moving your addons for you are a priority.
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You can't sit using the hotkey?
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There is no hotkey for sitting by default... he would have to bind one. 
 
However, Ctrl won't work as a modifier for new keybinds (only default ones) currently, so that may be an issue.
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Hi folks,
 
im not an pessimistic person at all but...
 
Some little things that draw my attention and make me think "they don't really wanna go on with this game...":
- The patcher still says "Closed" - but servers are online....
- Most applications have some kind of profiles today and so has wildstar (Addon-Savedata per char per Realm) ....
what makes the devs think that someone DON't want to take his previous addon settings with him when he gets a forceful "profile migration" (e.g. name change).
i had to go into my appdata folder and look how things are saved there and fiddle out what to copy ... why can't the game do that on a forced rename?!
 
That are just 2 things but i guess i can find so much more details that show ... they have no fun at all developing this game to the customers satisfaction of todays defaults.
 
Im not angry im just thinking a lot
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Well there's your problem....	
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Little things that make me think Carbine is nowhere near done with this game:
 
They recently released patch notes that are over a hundred pages long.	
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lol.... 
 
Troll thread is succeeding I think... or you're really not all there.	
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That was just 2 things that instantly annoyed me.
 
And im NOT using IE .. i develop software myself you know? You telling me they rely on Windows build in Browser component to show the patchers mainscreen.
You know, you can force that component to avoid using cache so that the user _always_ gets fresh data no matter how his browser is set up.
But i don't wanna discuss that. Its just a simple thing that could be avoided.
 
The addon-savedata migration is also a 15 minute coding job for some of their not so smart coding guys.
 
But hey, that are just details. I don't like Apple but we both know their products sell awesome because of love for DETAILS and COMFORT.
We are in 2014...
 
But to be not only negative .... great job on the transition anyway ..	
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			I'm sort of impressed. I mean, writing a post saying you think Carbine is done with the game, the same day they give us mega-servers? Wow...	
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			if we're talking addon settings for the game itself ya they should have been saved and the OP has a point but if we're talking 3rd party software then nope not Carbine's fault they have no responsability to 3rd party addons and how they react to in-game patches/changes that is the 3rd party's job	
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			I think everyone covered this up nicely, job well done all o/	
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			If I was a company and was done with a game, I'd have let the servers as they were and look at them slowly depopulate and quietly shut them down, I would never had released megaservers in the first place...	
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Pressing CTRL + R opens chat with the name of the last person who whispered you.
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Hi folks,
 
im not an pessimistic person at all but...
 
Some little things that draw my attention and make me think "they don't really wanna go on with this game...":
- The patcher still says "Closed" - but servers are online....
- Most applications have some kind of profiles today and so has wildstar (Addon-Savedata per char per Realm) ....
what makes the devs think that someone DON't want to take his previous addon settings with him when he gets a forceful "profile migration" (e.g. name change).
i had to go into my appdata folder and look how things are saved there and fiddle out what to copy ... why can't the game do that on a forced rename?!
 
That are just 2 things but i guess i can find so much more details that show ... they have no fun at all developing this game to the customers satisfaction of todays defaults.
 
Im not angry im just thinking a lot
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Nobody on these forums who has seen my posts would call me one of the game's apologists--but I have to be honest, what you're describing here is one minor inconvenience (having to redo add-on settings following a one-time server transfer) and an incorrect message in the patcher that has no bearing on anything. And from that, you've concluded that Carbine's given up on the game? That's... very imaginative of you. I don't see it. At all.
 
That being said, I would like to remind other people here that this game has a real reputation problem with the vitriolic way its playerbase responds to people who say anything critical about the game. You have a choice about whether to fight that reputation or reinforce it.
 
Choose wisely, please.
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If I was a company and was done with a game, I'd have let the servers as they were and look at them slowly depopulate and quietly shut them down, I would never had released megaservers in the first place...
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List of little things that make you think carbine is done with this game:
 
1.  Basic Feature:  Personal Inspection bugged since release
2.  Stephan Frost :  The "face" of Wildstar, moving on to a big company (more $$) despite that company having 0 good titles in the past (along with other devs)
3.  Content patches pushed 3-4 months back off of schedule
4.  Server evacuation resulting in a blatant need for mega-servers
5.  The current PvP system in general
6.  No clear vision for the future via "What's in development, what's coming next, what's in the future, etc"
7.  Scrapped halloween and christmas events
8.  Entire selling points of the game (Warplots) nonexistant in day to day gameplay
9.  Leaderboards took months after announcement, don't get updated on time, reflect the sheer amount of exploit / wintrading, and are a glorified excel sheet on a website
10.  The only developers that actively contribute to the forums (Timetravel / Jtal) reflect a (small portion of the population / have overhauled a broken system into a "less broken," still doesnt fix the problem system"
11.  Needed changes pushed back to January / drop 4
12.  Donatelli throwing all his eggs into Drop 3's "hundreds of pages of bug fixes" despite his unwillingness to post them for us to read / timely manner in which they're fixed
13.  One of the better solutions to framerate issues is to COMPLETELY disable the default UI
14.  No promotional weekends / incentives to bring people into PvP despite giant queue times
15.  Dying your armor reduces the detail of it
 
 
Some of those things are more than just little things....
 
But hey not to sound like a negative nancy, here are some little things that make me think carbine isn't done with the game just yet:
 
1.  Tony Rey is going to level up a character 1-50 on Company Time!
2.  Timetravel still hasn't left Carbine
3.  Carbine destroyed all the RPers in one swift blow
4.  I keep getting these items that sit in my account bound menu just for playing the game!
5.  Still not free to play!	
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List of little things that make you think Carbine is not done with this game :
 
1. Frustrated and whiny players who supposely were quitting in june are still here whining on those forums in october.
2. I still can't watch TV and eat a sandwich while fighting in this game
3. 30 days of boomboxes.
4. Drop 3 in November
5. Drop 4 in January
6. In january 2017 we will still have posts saying that Wildstar is diying.	
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10.  The only developers that actively contribute to the forums (Timetravel / Jtal)
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List of little things that make you think carbine is done with this game:
 
1.  Basic Feature:  Personal Inspection bugged since release
2.  Stephan Frost :  The "face" of Wildstar, moving on to a big company (more $$) despite that company having 0 good titles in the past (along with other devs)
3.  Content patches pushed 3-4 months back off of schedule
4.  Server evacuation resulting in a blatant need for mega-servers
5.  The current PvP system in general
6.  No clear vision for the future via "What's in development, what's coming next, what's in the future, etc"
7.  Scrapped halloween and christmas events
8.  Entire selling points of the game (Warplots) nonexistant in day to day gameplay
9.  Leaderboards took months after announcement, don't get updated on time, reflect the sheer amount of exploit / wintrading, and are a glorified excel sheet on a website
10.  The only developers that actively contribute to the forums (Timetravel / Jtal) reflect a (small portion of the population / have overhauled a broken system into a "less broken," still doesnt fix the problem system"
11.  Needed changes pushed back to January / drop 4
12.  Donatelli throwing all his eggs into Drop 3's "hundreds of pages of bug fixes" despite his unwillingness to post them for us to read / timely manner in which they're fixed
13.  One of the better solutions to framerate issues is to COMPLETELY disable the default UI
14.  No promotional weekends / incentives to bring people into PvP despite giant queue times
15.  Dying your armor reduces the detail of it
 
 
Some of those things are more than just little things....
 
But hey not to sound like a negative nancy, here are some little things that make me think carbine isn't done with the game just yet:
 
1.  Tony Rey is going to level up a character 1-50 on Company Time!
2.  Timetravel still hasn't left Carbine
3.  Carbine destroyed all the RPers in one swift blow
4.  I keep getting these items that sit in my account bound menu just for playing the game!
5.  Still not free to play!
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No love for the Pyaray... ;)
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I've been away what changes have been pushed to January?.
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2.  Timetravel still hasn't left Carbine
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That was just 2 things that instantly annoyed me.
 
And im NOT using IE .. i develop software myself you know? You telling me they rely on Windows build in Browser component to show the patchers mainscreen.
You know, you can force that component to avoid using cache so that the user _always_ gets fresh data no matter how his browser is set up.
But i don't wanna discuss that. Its just a simple thing that could be avoided.
 
The addon-savedata migration is also a 15 minute coding job for some of their not so smart coding guys.
 
But hey, that are just details. I don't like Apple but we both know their products sell awesome because of love for DETAILS and COMFORT.
We are in 2014...
 
But to be not only negative .... great job on the transition anyway ..
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It's a shame. As a software developer I'd have thought you'd understand why they are caching in the first place. This just seems like you're nitpicking at everything.
The programmers on this game are top-notch, and seeing as you're blind to that, I'm curious to know just how much of your code comes from Stackoverflow. The problems you listed aren't even worth thinking over and considering the state of the game, there are many more important things to be doing right now. Hardly something I can call "giving up". They have priorities.
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No love for the Pyaray... ;)
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Their salary and company reviews say otherwise.  
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I challenge you to make an MMO the scale of this game. If they were incompetent they wouldn't have even made it this far. Also, the programmers aren't to blame for their poor salary/company reviews. That's management. If I had said that the management was top--notch, then well... I'd agree with you. 
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2.  Timetravel still hasn't left Carbine
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Sure let me get right on that.  Actually, I'd argue (and most people would agree with me) that a lot of things seem incompetent.
 
1. Itemization
2. PvP
3. Attunement
4.  UI
5.  The 100 page list of bugs that is pushing back all of these content patches
 
They're overhauling itemization, cutting content, and spending a lot of time trying to rescue this game from the pit it fell into. If you don't think someone is incompetent in all of this---- then  you must turn a blind eye to a lot of things in life.
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Their salary and company reviews say otherwise.  
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Not just the players, but the website dev tracker is hatin on you also.  At the very least, it is apathetic about your posts, which is worse in some ways.
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Little things that make you think carbine is done with this game:
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			At this point Carbine could cure cancer and the vocal minority would still whine and moan "But what about the flu?"	
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That's odd, I see myself in the dev tracker.  Right now the dev tracker shows me as the most recent 4 posts.
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That's odd, I see myself in the dev tracker.  Right now the dev tracker shows me as the most recent 4 posts.
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Its funny how rumours start then spread....I too am curious about where NCSofts salaries are being posted online lol.  I bet that rumour started like the telephone game and started from Frost leaving for more money which left rumourmongers to think NCSoft staff aren't getting paid enough.  LOL
 
Its like a bad conspiracy tv show like..... 
 
Tonight on UNSEALED Wildstar Conspiracy files:
 
-  Megaservers are a lie!!  Game population has dwindled down so low everyone has just been put onto one server and they are calling it  Megaserver Tech!!  (lol)
 
- The true conspiracy in Wildstar where NCSoft execs made a backroom deal with Intel to make AMD computers run poorly on Wildstar forcing people to buy more Intel!
 
- Timetravel is really a dev that has travelled through time into the future and back, and that is why the raiding in WS has literally no bugs, problems or complaints compared to other area's!  He fixes the problems before they even become problems!  FUTURE MAN!
 
- In a shady NCSoft backroom deal that involved doughnuts, old-school D&D on paper and a SHADOWY meeting with RP'ers from Archeage:  a bribe was placed with the dev's to assassinate the WS RP community so they will go to Archeage instead!
 
- Steven Frost is now skiing down hills of 100 dollar bills smoking Cubans and throwing darts at a dartboard with Tony's face on it, all because of his new fortune in the deal "HE COULD NOT REFUSE"!
 
 
 I always find it funny how rumours propagate lol	
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That's odd, I see myself in the dev tracker.  Right now the dev tracker shows me as the most recent 4 posts.
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			I mean how bad is the EU pvp server really?  Is it actually dead?	
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			I mean, if people don't want to play on a pvp server, there is nothing carbine can do to fix that. Not like they will force people to play on a pvp server or else!	
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That's odd, I see myself in the dev tracker.  Right now the dev tracker shows me as the most recent 4 posts.
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I mean how bad is the EU pvp server really?  Is it actually dead?
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Im not angry im just thinking a lot
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Do you really want me to post the ways a reasonable person could determine your salary relative to your location and cost of living?
 
I imagine if you were paying for better employees, or paying those same employees better, you would have a competitive studio that doesn't lose key members to other companies, despite their "passion" for their games.
 
Companies that pay competitive wages don't produce patches that directly impact and push back future content patches. Perhaps a little more money would have prevented this 100 pages of bug fixes that are too late to matter.
 
But that's just my opinion on things. I'm pretty certain you're not hiding any industry sleeper talent or saving a huge reveal for the drop 3 patch.
 
So depressing.	
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			Well, I think this thread has run it's course and out of constructive feedback. Time to lock it up. 	
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