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And here I thought "pure selfishness" has always been an unreasonable position.
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IF a choice is being made, own it, and own it soon.
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Maybe on your server but not on mine, and I doubt that is where the 15plat increase has come from the last 3 weeks.
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It's funny because every drop since launch has made the game more and more casual friendly, and you would think the people not wanting any change would have left already, funny that they're still here (well the ones who didn't leave, hha)  So if people want to leave because Carbine has backed on their vision or promises, they should have left a long time ago.
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Read my quote again. I said "The question is". I didn't say IT WILL happen this way, but I'm concerned that it will.
 
I've said before that if they manage to create a model where the content that I want to play is still there and I am in no way feeling like I have to consider using real world money in the game, then I'm OK with it.
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I don't get it, you are okay with spending $15 each month on a sub but you are not okay with spending $15 or less in a cash shop to get every new item.
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Total ... and I mean TOTAL agreement.
 
Don't give this issue a chance to disenfranchise people.
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Than you are on the PVP Server or you are online at strange times.
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I for one can't believe just when the games population is growing, Carbine would be so daft and stupid not to squash the rumour unless it's true!
 
We have had a few strange sized DL on patch days that seem a lot bigger than the content.  	
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Nothing, I was saying that the carbine devs have went back on their word many times before, and people saying they would leave because of f2p/b2p because of it, should have left way before since they've already backtracked on their word more than once.  I was just using Casual friendly as an example of how the game was market when it was released for being #hardcore.
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 I was just using Casual friendly as an example of how the game was market when it was released for being #hardcore.
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Yea, it's possible like ya said, but until it does we don't know.
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Once again, I never saw the game marketed as hardcore for anything but the raids. I see what WS is today as very consistent with the vision I bought into at launch.
 
In fact, if I'd thought it was going to be pure hardcore, I'd have never gotten into the game.
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AND PLEASE, can we stick to the facts of what is happening, and not let this devolve into a conspiracy built upon a rumor of a rumor surrounding an actual event?
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I understand the point you want to make just fine. CREDD good, cash shop bad. Got it. But your post boils down to two arguments against a cash shop and they're both false.
 
False argument 1: You already don't get to pick what the developers spend their time making.
 
False argument 2: Cash shops do not need to sell items that can only be obtained by spending cash. They can sell items that are available in game, and they can sell items that are BoE. BoE cash shops are, for all intents and purposes, CREDD exchanges that use the BoE item as a CREDD token.
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This is absolutely true for me. When I make a decision to pay $30 per month (for my wife and I), it's a decision we make with our entertainment budget away from the game. I don't even think about the sub price. It's handled and done. And when I'm in the game, I just think about playing.
 
Change it to where now I'm in a virtual world making decisions about my real life money, and yeah- that's an awful feeling experience that I don't want to mess with. I should not be thinking about my bank account when playing a video game.
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enjoy the silence.
it speaks louder than words.
 
well.. i remember when teso removed the box from the shelves and some no name dev said in an interview "we have no plan for b2p at the moment!", like, 1 month before the official announcement for b2p was made...
 
i'd rather Carbine shut their mouth than be a lying bunch of crooks like Zenimax...
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You're right, but that's what was being pushed the hardest so I think that's what most people tend to see, even if it wasn't the who game per say.
 
I mean look at all the jokes on various sites about #hardcore.
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You know how, throw vanity items in a cash shop like ESO does.  Have an optional sub like every F2P/B2P mmo that grants more perks for subs.  There are a lot of ways to do it with out taking the 'fun' out of the game.
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			This game can be incredibly successful with a B2P model with an optional sub model. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it if it does go B2P. The F2P shouldn't be an option as the game itself is really good (at least now) with its quality. B2P will bring in big numbers and with a optional sub model and a cash shop filled with fluff, costumes, and other cosmetics, the game won't die. The games bleeding out in my opinion, and the die hard fans who are willing to pay the sub monthly, are temporarily putting a small band-aid on a large wound that needs to be stitched.	
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It never seems to occur to you folks that "throwing vanity items in a cash shop" DOES "take the fun out of the game". -_-
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What?!?!
 
I mean ... really?
 
My spending an extra $20 for a weapon skin actually DIMINISHES your enjoyment of the game?
 
I just ... don't even ... can't ...
 
What?
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Australia has EB games? Do they have Funcoland too? I miss funcoland and their neon rainbow sign...
 
 
Anyway on topic....
 
@ the "#hardcore" sadly a joke that too many read too much into...but oh well...
 
@ the f2p discussion- I'm not bothered about it if it happens. If it does I'll see how it's done and if I don't like the direction or handling I'll voice my opinion on it and either  leave or put the game to the side like CO and others. I'm personally wary of cash shops and f2p/b2p models from my work experience and player experience with how prioritie change. See what happens IF it happens...nothing I feel is worth stressing over though it's just a game...
 
@ the news for the box withdrawals - Until Carbine or NCsoft comments it could really mean anything from plans to go b2p to replacing boxes with a super box contaiining multiple codes and a Yattish action figure...It's always ncie to know what's going on though :)	
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No game has 'improved' by going F2P or B2P:
 
- TSW 'Issues' have slowed down considerably (and the population stayed LOW)
- SW:TOR converted to F2P when it had around 750K paying subscriptions, today they are around 500K
- ESO moved to B2P because ZoS couldn't negotiate with Sony and MS a way of playing without LIVE/PSN and they didn't want to lose the millions of box sales on both PS4 and XBONE (projected on the success Skyrim had on consoles)
- TERA was F2P already home before releasing here and honestly it was worse than most korean F2P grinders so no surprise there (and 'economical success'?? really??)
- GW2 has been universally criticised for the poor quality of the Living Story and the focus on its cqash shop
 
If WS goes B2P/F2P it will lose the few people paying for it and it will gain a bunch of parasites that will play for free 1-2 months then drop off. Nothing good ever came out of such conversions (for the players, at least)
 
I know I'll personally just stop playing like I did with TESO when they announced tamriel:Unlimited
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What?!?!
 
I mean ... really?
 
My spending an extra $20 for a weapon skin actually DIMINISHES your enjoyment of the game?
 
I just ... don't even ... can't ...
 
What?
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Truth be told, I don't really care all that much one way or the other with respect to payment model.
 
I do have a general preference for P2P but I definitely wouldn't quit if they decided to switch over to B2P (I hope they stay away from F2P/freemium). So long as the game continues to be great and the content keeps flowing, I'll still be here. However Carbine decides to take my money is up to them.
 
That is, assuming that all of this commotion actually indicates a payment model transition and not just panicked hyperbole.	
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Then (hypothetically) buy $30 of proto-gems or whatever the currency is at the beginning of the month and forget about it. Or buy $30 of mounts or housing items and forget about it. If making the payment at the beginning of the month is the key then stick to that. You're obviously disciplined enough to handle it if you're budgeting right now.
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Truth be told, I don't really mind all that much one way or the other with respect to payment model.
 
I do have a general preference for P2P but I definitely wouldn't quit if they decided to switch over to B2P (I hope they stay away from F2P/freemium). So long as the game continues to be great and the content keeps flowing, I'll still be here. However Carbine decides to take my money is up to them.
 
That is, assuming that all of this commotion actually indicates a payment model transition and not just panicked hyperbole.
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Maybe before running around yelling the sky is falling, let's see what Carbine has in store
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You mean when the five guys throwing weapon skins at a store to sell aren't making a new adventure instead?  Yeah, that can be a buzzkill.
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You mean when the five guys throwing weapon skins at a store to sell aren't making a new adventure instead?  Yeah, that can be a buzzkill.
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That said, won't make one tiny little bit of difference to me. There *will always* be an option to subscribe, and *you know* that you get better access with a subscription, so why the fuss?
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Nope. I don't want to be concerned with financial discipline while playing a video game.
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Oh sweet baby Jesus, that sweet pun. 
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What?!?!
 
I mean ... really?
 
My spending an extra $20 for a weapon skin actually DIMINISHES your enjoyment of the game?
 
I just ... don't even ... can't ...
 
What?
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Nope. I don't want to be concerned with financial discipline while playing a video game.
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Without MONEY COMING in, LOTS OF MONEY, you're not going to see ANY new adventures, are you? No, you're not. You're going to see this 10-Day trial come and go and everyone who came with it, leave with it, too. Your "everything is fine until Carbine says so" riff is so old, so stale, so obviously short-sighted, I don't even know how you all keep repeating it like a mantra and not slap yourselves for it.
 
Something has to change in order for the game to survive. You guys can keep sticking your heads in the sand all you want and if Carbine follows your advice and does nothing, well ... Hey, I'll see y'all over on the Tabula Rasa forums
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Are you under some misinformed assumption that every artist will be taken off creating content in order to make weapon skins?
 
Do you seriously think it takes as long to create content than it does to make a few one-off skins?
 
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You mean when the five guys throwing weapon skins at a store to sell aren't making a new adventure instead?  Yeah, that can be a buzzkill.
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So I reckon you work in the gaming business? I mean you obviously know what you're talking about... 
And making a handpainted texture doesn't take that long per se, but the implementation... now there's something else. 
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But you aren't. You aren't going out and buying CREDD are you? So what's different than right now? You are already making one purchase right now at the beginning of the month, then despite being able to spend more to get plat throughout the month you are sticking to that purchase.
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Even if a transition is happening this is still the definition of panicked hyperbole. One event in one country and we get... this thread.
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Our alternative is to have a long and thorough discussion on game content.
 
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I thought the whole reason we've only seen a few houses / a couple of new mounts is because they are holding it off for f2p / cash shop.
 
I've been riding the same mounts since release, and it's getting boring.	
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Assuming Carbine doesn't put anything behind a paywall that is more expensive than what I can afford on that amount. At which point I have to exercise financial discipline. And they'll be very motivated to make me spend the money, because they will profit more from that than creating a new dungeon for me to run.
 
Right now, if I see something in game that I want to purchase, my thoughts are "can I give up the plat and still be able to afford any runes I'll need?" In a cash shop scenario, I ask myself, "can I give up a dinner out with my wife for these cool pistols?"
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Where's Lethality when you need him? I may highyly disagree with him.. but this definitely is a thread I would have expected to see him out in force in. maybe it's like Beetlejuice? Gotta say his name thrice?
 
Lethality... Lethality... Lethality?
 
The reactions in this thread are... amusing to say the least. Something does have to change, the game is NOT in a good state.Whether or not B2P or something like TOR's system is the answer, I have no idea. But something does need to be done before NCSoft drops the axe. This game needs more people.
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I thought the whole reason we've only seen a few houses / a couple of new mounts is because they are holding it off for f2p / cash shop.
 
I've been riding the same mounts since release, and it's getting boring.
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Assuming Carbine doesn't put anything behind a paywall that is more expensive than what I can afford on that amount. At which point I have to exercise financial discipline. And they'll be very motivated to make me spend the money, because they will profit more from that than creating a new dungeon for me to run.
 
Right now, if I see something in game that I want to purchase, my thoughts are "can I give up the plat and still be able to afford any runes I'll need?" In a cash shop scenario, I ask myself, "can I give up a dinner out with my wife for these cool pistols?"
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Aurin warriors and Chua stalkers
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Where's Lethality when you need him? I may highyly disagree with him.. but this definitely is a thread I would have expected to see him out in force in. maybe it's like Beetlejuice? Gotta say his name thrice?
 
Lethality... Lethality... Lethality?
 
The reactions in this thread are... amusing to say the least. Something does have to change, the game is NOT in a good state.Whether or not B2P or something like TOR's system is the answer, I have no idea. But something does need to be done before NCSoft drops the axe. This game needs more people.	
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http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2015-04-15-announcing-the-wildstar-box-mystery-box-promo/
 
^some interesting news...
 
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Because we don't have enough Chua and Aurin already....
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True this has now morphed back into the cash shop vs no cash shop argument. The Strain has arrived.
 
But damn if I'm not bored in this mandatory class I'm in, so if I had popcorn maybe I'd be more entertained by the furor.
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If you have financial issues, then you probably shouldn't be focusing on playing a video game. :P
 
The whole world and Wildstar revolves making SlyJeff happy from his financial woes.
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http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2015-04-15-announcing-the-wildstar-box-mystery-box-promo/
 
^some interesting news...
 
Let's be honest this game is all about watching these fuzzballs g at it. We're just helping them out
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The payment model is the last bastion, really.  It used to be that the forums were full of people who had relatively valid criticism of the way loot RNG extended the grinding process, the worth of medals in attunement, even the lack of landscape variety in the last two leveling areas.  Now that so much has been improved, we get a lot more of the payment model.  I think the last really valid back and forth discussion had here in the last week was on the value of LFR and what we want to see from raids and other instanced content going forward.  So since the payment model is something you can guarantee people will fight back about, we're seeing those a lot more regularly.
 
 
 
Whether or not NCSoft axes the game isn't going to be based on changes Carbine makes.  NCSoft would drive a payment model change if it's coming, or they'd cancel the game.  And that's going to revolve primarily around where they think Wildstar will fit in their existing lineup of games.  Considering they axed a marginally profitable City of Heroes freemium game already in the lead-up to GW2 releasing, there's no guarantee NCSoft is going to pay to take another shot at Wildstar as a F2P game without knowing if it's going to gain much of its following from other interests and be another marginal game.  People think F2P saves everything; it doesn't.
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http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2015-04-15-announcing-the-wildstar-box-mystery-box-promo/
 
^some interesting news...
 
 
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It doesn't and shouldn't go back from it's hardcore background. Period. It's serves it's niche as a hardcore PvE game and without that it's basically another streamlined World of Warcraft. People think casual games = great succes because casuals pay the moneys. What happens when every game tries to cater to the same audience?  Why would people turn to Wildstar when there are so many other options for casual gameplay? Namely Rift, FFXIV, WoW etc. 
 
By hardcore I simply mean challenging Dungeons & Raids namely. It's not even hardcore per se to be quite honest. It simply doesn't hold your hand through the experience and you're not set up for success all the time. That's just me though.I just don't see why I would bother with Wildstar if it was streamlined like many other games has. This is the game I suggest people when they ask for engaging and challenging content. 
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How sneaky, so they want us to buy up all the remaining boxes out in the wild ;)
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That's a moot argument.
 
Why are people happy playing stale games that take months to years to provide any new content if at all?
Why are people being happy with getting nickled for every penny through the cash shop?
Yes, I rather move on and play something else then keep playing something that's a former husk of itself.
 
People enjoying the points above, doesn't make one bit of sense.
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I'm aware F2P/B2P/Hybrid doesn't save games. I said SOMETHING needs to change to save the game. I have no idea what that is.
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seems like they recalled the boxes in australia cause only the new boxes will have the new mistery box that can contain the costume, mount or hoverboard, it seems like a normal move on marketing, they recall the product to add the codes for the new perk, much like the change to the heroic edition in GW2Q: what if i already own a copy of wildstar?
A: This is only for boxes sold from today forward, so go out and get a box today!"
 
You can find all the info here http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2015-04-15-announcing-the-wildstar-box-mystery-box-promo/	
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Just want to be the first to say to the people who will inevitably leave soon because of the change in payment model:
 
Good luck on whatever you decide to spend your time on o/	
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They did that in Australia with a vendor recall already; they don't need to get rid of the boxes by selling them if they really wanted to do that.
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I obviously know nothing about you aside from what I perceive through your comments but it seems to me that you're already at the level where you could play and not worry about the extras you could buy, because you already have that ability right now but aren't falling for it.
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Well what if everything stayed the same for us subs but the free to play players had to use money to buy things like extra character slots, action bars etc?
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I thought the same thing until I read the Q&A at the bottom.
 
It appears that there will be no upgrade like they did with the Digital Deluxe Edition of the game. If it was just a normal promotion to get more players (new and old) into the game, wouldn't they provide some alternate means for current accounts to acquire the items aside from purchasing new boxes? 
 
Seems suspicious to me.
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Does Wildstar need to switch to a b2p/f2p model: NO
 
Do I personally think it should go B2P? Yes as it is my favorite payment model.
 
Swtor has 500k subs and over 1 million total players thanks to f2p
 
ESO had a huge surge of players thanks to b2p
 
RIFT is doing much better than it was before with more like 300-600k total players.
 
Guild Wars 2 is so successful and populated because of b2p
 
Wildstar is growing, we all know it, but it isn't growing fast enough, EU is much less populated the US, and Dominion is much less populated than EXILE. Also, there we only 2 level 50s on the PvP sever yesterday at 1PM, that is stupid. Not to mention Wildstar stops being a "sustainable" game late at night because most of the players on said faction are sleeping.
 
So if someone buys Wildstar now, they will get to Illium and be like...hm, not many players here... whatever.
I wouldn't be surprised if over 50k people tried the 10 day trial...problem is 20k of those people went to the pvp server, and only 2k of them went to the forums for help instead of just quiting the game. 
 
Hell, Wildstar could have the best cash shop in the world without having to put a ton of dev time into it...you just take all existing costumes, mount flairs, mounts, pets, and housing fabkits... and Put them in the shop...still make them available to the player though without purchasing.
 
Wildstar: Nexus Unlimited could launch with the anniversary of Wildstar, old people would return and see all the changes and fixes, new people would come in and be welcomed with a massive amount of people...
 
Honestly, I can't stand the people that say they would leave with B2P, give it a chance first FFS...and for every salty subscriber that leaves, 10 more hopeful excited people will come into the game.	
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You should have been around at launch.  There's a lot of stuff you can't get any other way than being around for some promotion.
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All I know is that I have a date with some box copies at Best Buy soon. NEED KITTY MOUNT!!!
 	
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Honestly, I can't stand the people that say they would leave with B2P, give it a chance first FFS...and for every salty subscriber that leaves, 10 more hopeful excited people will come into the game.
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seems like they recalled the boxes in australia cause only the new boxes will have the new mistery box that can contain the costume, mount or hoverboard, it seems like a normal move on marketing, they recall the product to add the codes for the new perk, much like the change to the heroic edition in GW2
 
Q: what if i already own a copy of wildstar?
A: This is only for boxes sold from today forward, so go out and get a box today!"
 
You can find all the info here http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2015-04-15-announcing-the-wildstar-box-mystery-box-promo/
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And we would wish them luck, but not all of us are going to eat the cost of them being here. It isn't the fault of people who would leave because of the payment model than it is the fault of people now who won't play now because of the payment model. But many of us won't stay.
 
Which is fine, because you'll replace us with the latter and their money (and your extra money, should there be any) will cover our departure. So you won't have anything to worry about.
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I've been around since beta. I'm aware of how they handled things back then.
 
It just seems odd that the clear message in the Q&A is "BUY BOXES NOW! :D"
 
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but it still seems fishy to me. *shrugs*
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Dudes ... so seriously ...
 
What better way to prepare for a B2P transition than getting a bus-load of boxes "bought to play?"
 
Seems kind of obvious to me. 
 
I will prognosticate no more than three months before we're using the GW2 method here.	
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It just seems ignorant to me... Why leave before giving a new model a proper chance.
 
 
I also believe that a marketing push to be at least attempted before making the switch to b2p...unless of course the random FB and twitter messages by WS and the new box promotion are the porposed PR push.....-__-
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Dudes ... so seriously ...
 
What better way to prepare for a B2P transition than getting a bus-load of boxes "bought to play?"
 
Seems kind of obvious to me. 
 
I will prognosticate no more than three months before we're using the GW2 method here.
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Wild speculation does not serve anyone's interest.
 
I think we're a step too early for any notion of payment changes. There's a lot of paths, a lot of steps before it, and there's still the Asian market release of Wildstar later in the year. Only time will tell if a change will come or not, and us pitching a fit about it until Carbine specifically says "hey, we're doing it" or "no, we're not doing it" doesn't do a thing.	
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Dudes ... so seriously ...
 
What better way to prepare for a B2P transition than getting a bus-load of boxes "bought to play?"
 
Seems kind of obvious to me. 
 
I will prognosticate no more than three months before we're using the GW2 method here.
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Wild speculation does not serve anyone's interest.
 
I think we're a step too early for any notion of payment changes. There's a lot of paths, a lot of steps before it, and there's still the Asian market release of Wildstar later in the year. Only time will tell if a change will come or not, and us pitching a fit about it until Carbine specifically says "hey, we're doing it" or "no, we're not doing it" doesn't do a thing.
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You should have been around at launch.  There's a lot of stuff you can't get any other way than being around for some promotion.
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I wonder how this game will do in Asia.
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Probably at least as well as Blade and Soul is doing here. 
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But actually, you can get this stuff without being a part of the promotion. These purchase-exclusive items are BoE. I anticipate they'll be showing up on the auction house at a vastly better plat return on your cash than CREDD provides.
 
Probably at least as well as Blade and Soul is doing here. 
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So, this new promotion is an example of exactly what would drive me away from the game. I don't even know that I care about these particular items, but having them being given to players who are willing to spend an extra amount of real world money in the game- well, this feels crummy and I sure hope it isn't a sign of things to come.
 
I hope they realize this and make it right.	
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So, this new promotion is an example of exactly what would drive me away from the game. I don't even know that I care about these particular items, but having them being given to players who are willing to spend an extra amount of real world money in the game- well, this feels crummy and I sure hope it isn't a sign of things to come.
 
I hope they realize this and make it right.
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Honestly i hope Wildstar goes b2p or at least f2p but i hope they keep sub optional so that we can subscribe and get everything.
Say what you want but fact is that p2p just cant survive today when surrounded by tons of quality f2p MMOs and i say this as someone who prefers and always will prefer p2p option.	
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So, this new promotion is an example of exactly what would drive me away from the game. I don't even know that I care about these particular items, but having them being given to players who are willing to spend an extra amount of real world money in the game- well, this feels crummy and I sure hope it isn't a sign of things to come.
 
I hope they realize this and make it right.
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I will sell you one of the three items when the discount box I just bought arrives at my house. I just want the month of game time and enough plat to make it better than buying CREDD. :-)
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Yeah, irrespective of the F2P argument, I feel that's inconsequential. I don't like the idea of having to pay for a game box again to get an item; all the fun of a cash shop gamble box coupled with all of the commercial quality of driving up the box sales figure.
 
At present, I think this is just a way to get a nice number to drop on a PR jump, because saying they've sold a bunch of game boxes lately would be good PR. If this actually is a F2P transition, I think we can safely say that if we'd leave over the payment model, we've got every reason right here. We've got what would be a preview.
 
So hopefully, this is a one-off promotion that just wasn't done very well. It's certainly not something I'd like to see twice.
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Yeah, irrespective of the F2P argument, I feel that's inconsequential.  I don't like the idea of having to pay for a game box again to get an item; all the fun of a cash shop gamble box coupled with all of the commercial quality of driving up the box sales figure.
 
At present, I think this is just a way to get a nice number to drop on a PR jump, because saying they've sold a bunch of game boxes lately would be good PR.  If this actually is a F2P transition, I think we can safely say that if we'd leave over the payment model, we've got every reason right here.  We've got what would be a preview.
 
So hopefully, this is a one-off promotion that just wasn't done very well.  It's certainly not something I'd like to see twice.
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Yeah, irrespective of the F2P argument, I feel that's inconsequential.  I don't like the idea of having to pay for a game box again to get an item; all the fun of a cash shop gamble box coupled with all of the commercial quality of driving up the box sales figure.
 
At present, I think this is just a way to get a nice number to drop on a PR jump, because saying they've sold a bunch of game boxes lately would be good PR.  If this actually is a F2P transition, I think we can safely say that if we'd leave over the payment model, we've got every reason right here.  We've got what would be a preview.
 
So hopefully, this is a one-off promotion that just wasn't done very well.  It's certainly not something I'd like to see twice.
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Truth be told, outside of MAYBE the costume, I'm not impressed by anything on offer. Though, to answer my question, the Snarlyfax would be popular in Asia.
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i like your positivism.
but lets swallow a bit of reality juice here...
there is a fortune to be made with items in cash shop, and not many players to be kept by putting those skins in a dungeon drop table or for sell for reknown currency.
 
do people really want a new cool dungeon like protogame with plenty of new skins in it ? or they rather have some fluffs in the cash shop?
 
MMOFTW mate...
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I think the idea that a potential F2P transition would lead to some magically benign, non-predatory B2P just went up in smoke.
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You know, if you're on Entity Exile, you can just run with us. Getting into shape for vet dungeons doesn't take that long; you can do it solo in vet shiphands.
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Exactly.
 
Unless they do some pretty quick damage control and make this right.
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			Or this could mean nothing...lol	
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 -_-
 
that is exactly what they are doing.
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 -_-
 
that is exactly what they are doing.
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Trying to do and utterly failing at.  People are trying to say F2P isn't the end of the world, and their promo is a forty-dollar, three-item gamble box?  Better hope this isn't the lead-up to F2P, because now we know exactly what B2P would look like.
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			Are people seriously saying that retail boxes removed from 2 non-major retailers (EB games still exists?  wat) is a sure sign of F2P?  Am I reading this right?	
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Trying to do and utterly failing at. People are trying to say F2P isn't the end of the world, and their promo is a forty-dollar, three-item gamble box? Better hope this isn't the lead-up to F2P, because now we know exactly what B2P would look like.
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Are people seriously saying that retail boxes removed from 2 non-major retailers (EB games still exists? wat) is a sure sign of F2P? Am I reading this right?
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It's $20 bucks pretty much anyplace now. And I don't think it's for current players, they just included the ability for current players to use it so people don't throw fits.
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Yeah it really took off for a while until The Entity came by and turned it into a F2P/B2P/P2P argument.
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Trying to do and utterly failing at.  People are trying to say F2P isn't the end of the world, and their promo is a forty-dollar, three-item gamble box?  Better hope this isn't the lead-up to F2P, because now we know exactly what B2P would look like.
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Yeah, I mean, if people have this much trouble with the game now, do you really think that they're going to do a cash shop in a way that doesn't bumble all over the place?
 
Maybe they'll sell in-game nerf guns from the cash shop LOL, or give access to a remote controlled nerf gun to shoot timetravel whenever I want.
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It's $20 bucks pretty much anyplace now. And I don't think it's for current players, they just included the ability for current players to use it so people don't throw fits.
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Yeah it really took off for a while until The Entity came by and turned it into a F2P/B2P/P2P argument.
 
I didn't say it worked haha.
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Actually, this was the OP, so I'm pretty sure this one was Strainbait from the start.
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Actually, this was the OP, so I'm pretty sure this one was Strainbait from the start.
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Strainbait. I like it!
 
And Vic, they definitely need marketing. Posting something on a page that only the curious or already playing will see isn't much for publicity.
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So hopefully, this is a one-off promotion that just wasn't done very well.  It's certainly not something I'd like to see twice.
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Actually, this was the OP, so I'm pretty sure this one was Strainbait from the start.
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First time: Buy before launch and get a spaceship house! Didn't buy before launch? Too bad for you!
Second time: Buy more than 10 months after launch and get a RNG-based reskin of something! Didn't buy more than 10 months after launch? Too bad for you!
 
You already have. Did you complain about it the first time? Or excuse it as a promotion?
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I never thought I'd be clicking Like on one of your posts, yasfan, but I guess there's a first time for everything.
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Oh, they announced it on Facebook within minutes of it hitting here.
 
Seriously, go read that thread. You'll either laugh or want to start a genocide.
 
Either way, it's entertaining.
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Strainbait. I like it!
 
And Vic, they definitely need marketing. Posting something on a page that only the curious or already playing will see isn't much for publicity.
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*opens arms for a great big Aurin-esque hug*  ;)
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I don't have Facebook anymore. Got tired of the baby pics and political comments after 9 years of using it...
 
Still interested to see how this plays out.
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			I really hope that b2p brings in more pvpers.  It might give Carbine an incentive to listen to the PvP community and actually develop things for it, like end of season rewards, leaderboards, and a new set of gear.	
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Actually, I did.  In fact, I did it again recently in a REALLY nasty thread about the Highwayman's costume.  I didn't make any friends there, because that's a minority opinion, thinking there ought to be other ways to earn our exclusive rewards.  Kindly surprised you missed that flamewar.
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Buy CREDD now!
 
buy buy buy buy	
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You'd love it. In better times, this might have been seen in the same vein WoW released promos in. NCSoft just managed to fill their Facebook with a lot of trolling and pissed- off, longtime subscribers calling Carbine dicks.
 
It's a pretty spectacular PR failure for pretty much everyone involved.
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Buy CREDD now!
 
buy buy buy buy
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I just imagined you saying this with a Lopp accent and it made me  :lol:
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 :blink: There was a flamewar and I missed it? Dang. But apparently they listened to your perspective because this promotion does in fact offer other ways to earn those rewards. You can buy them with plat on the AH. So if anything, this is a step in the right direction, a reduction in exclusivity that allows you access with no cash purchase. You can get it with cash or you can get it by farming plat.
 
Very CREDD-like, no? 
 
In fact, the only real question in my mind about this is how many people who would spend their cash on CREDD will now spend it on these instead as a better plat return for the cash. *braces and waits for the CREDD market to explode*
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What?
 
The F2P freeloader (not to be confused with the F2P player) is not contributing anything. They buy nothing, don't sub, don't farm CREDD. Not only do they not support the game because of this, they are literally doing nothing at all to earn their game time.
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Buy CREDD now!
 
buy buy buy buy
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If you have financial issues, then you probably shouldn't be focusing on playing a video game.  :P
 
The whole world and Wildstar revolves making SlyJeff happy from his financial woes. 
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The mere act of being in game brings 1 life to the game. In most environments it means nothing.
 
In a mmo, it is paramount and probably the most important thing one can do.
 
This is coming from a sub only guy too
Thyd
Like most of you, I had a terrible experience with free to play MMOs, namely planet side. Each week a new gun was released for 5-10 dollars. You could technically earn it in gsme, but would take weeks of grinding.
 
They also made the level grind incredibly painful unless you dropped 5 dollars a week for an XP boost. Pretty soon I found myself shelling out 50 dollars a month for this supposive free to play game.
 
With that said, Carbine isn't SoE. They hear our concerns and know what works and what doesn't.
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.... which is most likely what Wildstar will do in October. 
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.... which is most likely what Wildstar will do in October.  All the indicators point to b2p or f2p, and cash shop.  Let's hope they do it the right way.
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You better hope not. If you think they're working hard to take boxes off the shelves for a payment switch, they wouldn't do that for B2P. And now we've got essentially a three-item gamble box as your hello.
 
If that is what they're doing, I think we can all be confident they won't do it "the right way."
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Getting boxes off the shelves is for the retailers. The retailers own that inventory, not Carbine.
 
Carbine benefits from more players and the shiny boost to sales numbers.
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You better hope not.  If you think they're working hard to take boxes off the shelves for a payment switch, they wouldn't do that for B2P.  And now we've got essentially a three-item gamble box as your hello.
 
If that is what they're doing, I think we can all be confident they won't do it "the right way."
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Oh come on. You don't have to be poor to realize that F2P MMOs tend to price their cash shop items in a way that ultimately ends up costing the player more than the $15/month they would spend in a subscription MMO.
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If Wildstar is going b2p they will probably rebrand it and they will sell new boxes for 60$ like a new game instead 20$ or so.
That's why they are pulling boxes from retailers and trying to sell existing boxes to people that already own this game.
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We'd rather pay for someone to design things we want than to even play for free while they spend time making things we don't.
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What I'm questioning is whether this gets more players.  The shiny boost to their sales numbers might actually be what gets them more players, which is what I'm assuming they're actually doing.
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			I wont leave if Wildstar goes B2P or F2P, but I certainly wont be happy. I don't want all the freeloading scrubs from the comments section on youtube to play the same game as me. :/	
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I think you're right. Carbine also has to be considering the word-of-mouth effect, since they'll consider their game to be much more in line with that gamers want, and they'll be assuming that a big enough percentage of people will convert to a subscription after the 30 days of included game time.
 
As for the reasoning behind sending products to the distribution center or what the possible payoff is there, probably about as many reasons exist as there are companies out there, so I couldn't guess on that.
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Word of mouth is the best advertising.  What they need is for the media coverage to turn the corner from always asking about F2P or B2P.  It sounds a lot better to do that if you've got a good way to say, "Yes, our population and sales are doing much better now."  F2P doom is a self-perpetuating tar baby.  The best way to fix it would just to have NCSoft announce that they have no current plans to change the payment model, but NCSoft might not even have much of a plan right now beyond PR engine revving.
 
Regardless, it probably would have been better to just ship all the boxes to the distributor if they were really about to drop in a pay model change.  The reason I do tend to think this is a haphazard promotion is because actually adjusting their system to accept these codes, to have the gambleboxes in, to be able to apply a game box to your current account and get game time, that all has to be built in.  That would be a pretty fabulous waste of money comparatively speaking.
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I agree. It's a promotion which has people riled up at the moment. I think it will cool down in a day or two though.
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Probably, but that isn't going to taste very good to a lot of players.  I know a few who still aren't happy they can't get the previous exclusive content simply because they weren't around.  And gamble boxes are the pain that keeps on giving (as anyone who has a boom box knows).
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Probably, but that isn't going to taste very good to a lot of players.  I know a few who still aren't happy they can't get the previous exclusive content simply because they weren't around.  And gamble boxes are the pain that keeps on giving (as anyone who has a boom box knows).
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Don't pay; don't spend anything. Simple as that. Same with any mobas and FREE mmos out there. 
 
And the price is FREE forever for you. 
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That defense essentially tells the consumer to settle for an MMO experience that is free but demonstrably less than what they would have gotten had they been required to pay a subscription but without the burden of a cash shop.
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So, you are saying that the only way I, as a gamer, can get an INCREDIBLE MMO and gaming experience is only through subscription-based MMOs? lol.  :D
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The only way that you, as a gamer, can ensure that the devs can provide you with an INCREDIBLE MMO and gaming experience is through giving the developers the proper income.  F2P does not guarantee that.  Subs do.  We've had this discussion.
 
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I'm sorry but this statement is so subjective, who are you to tell anyone what an incredible MMO experience is?  Just because a sub brings in a steady income of money does not mean in anyway that the devs are going to make an incredible content for your game.
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I'm sorry but this statement is so subjective, who are you to tell anyone what an incredible MMO experience is?  Just because a sub brings in a steady income of money does not mean in anyway that the devs are going to make an incredible content for your game.
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I'm sorry but this statement is so subjective, who are you to tell anyone what an incredible MMO experience is?  Just because a sub brings in a steady income of money does not mean in anyway that the devs are going to make an incredible content for your game.
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I'm sorry but this statement is so subjective, who are you to tell anyone what an incredible MMO experience is?  Just because a sub brings in a steady income of money does not mean in anyway that the devs are going to make an incredible content for your game.
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			I went to an EB Games at the Macquarie Center shopping mall near Sydney, Australia and I saw a boxed Wildstar on the shelf still.  This was on Saturday and they had a sale buy two games for $60 and Wildstar was one of games that had the sale sticker on it.	
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I went to an EB Games at the Macquarie Center shopping mall near Sydney, Australia and I saw a boxed Wildstar on the shelf still.  This was on Saturday and they had a sale buy two games for $60 and Wildstar was one of games that had the sale sticker on it.
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No, I didn't buy one and I didn't know at the time about the giveaway.  Oh, I also just checked the EB games website for Australia and it still lists Wildstar and the Deluxe edition but both are listed as being out of stock so there is that.  I think they are selling all the boxed versions they have left and not restocking them.  I'm pretty sure the last time I went to my local EB Games which was about 3 weeks ago, i saw a box on the shelf there also.
 
https://ebgames.com.au/pc-200499-WildStar-PC	
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			Way back in the day, my husband used to work at an electronics retail store stocking shelves. After a certain amount of time stores get rid of un-bought inventory, they destroy it, they are not even allowed to give it away, it has to be destroyed. So all this may be is Carbine trying to make sure there boxes get bought, and not destroyed. And those disappearing boxes off the shelves may just be early casualties of this.	
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The only way that you, as a gamer, can ensure that the devs can provide you with an INCREDIBLE MMO and gaming experience is through giving the developers the proper income.  F2P does not guarantee that.  Subs do.  We've had this discussion.
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Way back in the day, my husband used to work at an electronics retail store stocking shelves. After a certain amount of time stores get rid of un-bought inventory, they destroy it, they are not even allowed to give it away, it has to be destroyed. So all this may be is Carbine trying to make sure there boxes get bought, and not destroyed. And those disappearing boxes off the shelves may just be early casualties of this.
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I was in CBT and cancelled a few months after launch. Have been following WildStar since 2012. I came back for the free trial a few days ago just to see how things were going.
 
Opinion follows...
 
Look at how few people are posting about this (lots of posts mostly from the same few people). Low pop is the only reason I can think of why this would be the case. If any other sub MMO that I know of had this type of scuttlebug drop we would see a larger response from the community. 10% or less post... It shows.
 
Low levels zones are still pretty empty (not dead like some claim).
 
One NA "Mega-Server" to rule them all and people still talk about "prime time" to get things done. My understanding is that the EU PvE server isn't fairing quite as well and the PvP servers are almost empty.
 
I tried to have my MMO buddies join me here when the game launched. I even managed to sell a few boxes for Carbine. Problem for my troupe was that nobody wanted to organize 40 mans. Now the launch hype (what little of that there was) is done. The game has mixed reviews at best and a year later there are still tons of folks that have never even heard of the game. Most of the people who have don't seem to care.
 
I like WildStar. I didn't complain when it became clear the game wasn't what I hoped. I unsubbed. I took advantage of the free trial and remembered the good points about the game (there are many). It's why I am posting now. What I am trying to say is that even though I could be wrong I doubt there are enough subs or returning/new subs to support the current pay model.
 
Carbine might very well be gearing up for a pay model shift. So what? I know I will play again if it's F2P. I'll drop some money in the cash shop too. I might even be able to drag a few of my MMO buddies around as well. I know that they won't if WildStar remains a sub only game.
 
It's not that I want something for nothing. I have subbed to WoW for 9 years now. I just think that WildStar in it's current state could only improve with a different approach. It has helped to reduce the "hardcore" element as many here on the forums like to point out. Why not try to get more people playing the game?
 
Anyway, it's just my two cents.	
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Carbine might very well be gearing up for a pay model shift. So what? I know I will play again if it's F2P. I'll drop some money in the cash shop too. I might even be able to drag a few of my MMO buddies around as well. I know that they won't if WildStar remains a sub only game.
 
It's not that I want something for nothing. I have subbed to WoW for 9 years now. I just think that WildStar in it's current state could only improve with a different approach. It has helped to reduce the "hardcore" element as many here on the forums like to point out. Why not try to get more people playing the game?
 
Anyway, it's just my two cents.
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Update:  I called my local EB Games store and asked the rep if they had any Wildstar boxes for sale and he said they didn't and they wouldn't restock because they had been recalled by head office(EBGames, I presume).
 
I have no idea why the store I visited on Saturday still had an empty box on the shelf but whatever :D
 
[speculation]Perhaps the free giveaways on new purchases is one last sales push before going free to play/buy to play??[/speculation]	
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Genobee,
 
I wouldn't try to argue with you (or anyone) about your thoughts/experiences with cash shops/FTP/BTP and the like. I have some of the same concerns and would not try to pretend they don't exist.
 
The details of what is included in a BTP/FTP or even a hybrid model (if any of those options even end up happening) is beyond my scope. If it's fair the majority will be happy. If it's not they won't. I leave those plans up to the devs and finance folks as it is not a decision I get to make.
 
I read posts from people that say trust Carbine, they are a decent group. I have seen Carbine come up short on a few occasions but, overall I agree. I think they want a solid game and not just a cash cow. I have a limited amount of faith that they wouldn't upend the community with a transition. I could be wrong and I won't deny it. WildStar is a unique MMO and it deserves a shot. If a payment model transition is what it takes then I am for it.	
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[speculation]Perhaps the free giveaways on new purchases is one last sales push before going free to play/buy to play??[/speculation]
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Read the article. It specifically states they're being pulled from Australian retailers, which doesn't surprise me. OP in that thread was very deliberate to not mention it only being from Australia. Not saying it's not happening, but be skeptical. 
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this threads, tweets and subreddits are beyond reason.
Australia is withdrawing the retail boxes, and the entire F2P bandwagon is on the role, thinking they're getting the game for free now...
 
I really pitty the devs who have to read this crap constantly from people not willing to support the hard work this company has done.
What a sad little world we live in....
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All of this is why I'm currently learning the different aspects of development.  This cycle has to be broken.
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Good luck....
There's a reason most devs switch to indy and crowdfunding.
No need to deal with publishers anymore.
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Good luck....
There's a reason most devs switch to indy and crowdfunding.
No need to deal with publishers anymore.
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Crowfall. Live it. Love it.
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Crowfall. Live it. Love it.
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Crowfall. Live it. Love it.
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Hmm. Just saw this.
 
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 Wildstar stock recall from EB Games part of 'normal stock movement'The retailer's statement, suggests, no changes are currently expected for the title.
The statement follows an report earlier today on Games On Net, that following stock removal from EB Games and JB Hifi stores, the title may be moving to a free to play model.
The article advised that the information around stock removal had come from an EB Games employee.
A spokesperson from EB Games told MCV Pacific, "The recall was part of a normal stock movement. In retail, recalling stock is a standard business practice. There was nothing out of the ordinary with the recall of this title."
There has yet to be any announcements made by the title's publisher NCSOFT, or its local distributor, QV Software in relation to any possible model changes.
We will continue to follow this story as it unfolds.
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