105838-so-what-happened-with-elder-gem-vendor-being-a-backup-plan

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It's been a few months now, and i remember some time ago that you (carbine) said that the elder gem vendor was going to be a backup plan or a fail safe to getting tier and ability point upgrades. Is the current system (1/10,000) drop working as intended that this is our primary way of getting these points, or is the elder gem vendor our primary source of these items.
 
I mean hey, I can exploit and get plat as much as anyone else has to buy these, but is this the system you had in mind or not? because i'm not really looking forward to being behind a good number of others for the next 30 something weeks grinding these elder gems out.	
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Chua remember reading drops to be major way of acquiring.
However Chua not know if drop rates fixed, as Chua not seen single one yet.	
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I have never seen one drop from the open world.
 
How ever. I did rated battlegrounds for the first time and won a match. First winning bag I got had one in it.
 
 
So if you want ability/amp point unlocks. PVP or bust.
 
 
Considering it also comes from a win bag. Guess that's free upgrade for Dominion in battle grounds!	
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			It is taking way too long.... I am a PvE player.. now, I have to do PvP? Interesting.	
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			Dropped an AMP in Northern Wastes for me last week, so it does in fact drop in open world.	
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			apparently the devs expected the average player would be farming about 5 million mobs a week	
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			The system is on track to arrive.... in a further 29 weeks. *evil grin*	
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I have never seen one drop from the open world.
 
How ever. I did rated battlegrounds for the first time and won a match. First winning bag I got had one in it.
 
 
So if you want ability/amp point unlocks. PVP or bust.
 
 
Considering it also comes from a win bag. Guess that's free upgrade for Dominion in battle grounds!
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			Just got my second lvl50 yesterday. Time to double the dailies for those delicious AMP/Ability points!  :lol: ... ........................         :unsure: ....... ........   :(	
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			they did increase it at some point from maybe 0.00000000001% to now 0.0000000001% that was the backup plan and if we hear the dev it even works as intended. You're better off buying em from the EG vendor :)	
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			Aside from the one I received when I was fresh off dinging my 50th cupcake, I haven't seen another one on Mikros.  Either people are using them, or they are choosing not to spam the /trade channel every 5 seconds like they do when they get something else rare like Trigger Fingers AMP.  Would be nice if these could go on the AH/CX.	
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			Fixed from 0.0000001 to 0.00001 GL.	
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eh, i gave up hope of ever seeing them drop. I've had better luck farming world drops(8 so far) than these things. I didn't even know they existed outside the vendor until I visited the forums and saw that thread with J-tal talking about itemization.
 
Though really elder gems as a whole need to be revisited...	
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This just falls in line with how much of an over site a lot of things have been for them. I lost all hope when I read that the main Esper dev is playing a stalker instead...
 
Obviously they are doing either really bad internal testing or none at all.	
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			PVE AMP drops & Trigger Fingers are both mythical, very rare creatures that the masses can only dream of :)	
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			I got one as a drop...... on my level 20 dominion roleplay warrior on lightspire...  <_<  sold it to the most pink chua i ever saw! on my other toons, nothing yet. should have never bought that darn genesis key :c	
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You need to max elder gems for 3-4 weeks to buy 1 AMP/Ability point. If it's not intended as a primary source of these it would stand to reason that the droprate in the 'wild' would ideally be higher than once in that time period, or at least equal.
 
There's some unknowns about the amp/ability point droprate, but from what I've heard it's 1:100000 (there were talks about it being 1:10 mil and then being reduced 100 fold).
 
If my math is correct (and it might not be, I'm terrible at math), then if 0,99999^x=0,5, x would be the amount of mobs needed to have as great a chance to see an amp/ability point drop than not. That's roughly 70000 mobs. If that's supposed to be the primary source, then these should be killed within 4 weeks, thus:
 
70000/28=2500 mobs killed per day is expected of us by the devs.
 
edit: If you play 5 hours a day solely to kill these mobs, you would need to kill one mob every 7-8 seconds.	
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Chua remember reading drops to be major way of acquiring.
However Chua not know if drop rates fixed, as Chua not seen single one yet.
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			Two months in ~180 hours of play time and never seen one drop out in the world. 	
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Dont quote me on this but i think the drop rates are messed up at the moment... the ones ive been seeing drop are comming from the pvp random rewards.
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			They don't exist lol anyone that got one is exploiting	
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They don't exist lol anyone that got one is exploiting
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Madda's gotten several from World Drops while leveling Madda's stalker.
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			Where did they drop for you Madda? 	
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Just got my second lvl50 yesterday. Time to double the dailies for those delicious AMP/Ability points!  :lol: ... ........................         :unsure: ....... ........   :(
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This just falls in line with how much of an over site a lot of things have been for them. I lost all hope when I read that the main Esper dev is playing a stalker instead...
 
Obviously they are doing either really bad internal testing or none at all.
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Several? SEVERAL?!?!?! WHAT THE C U P C A K E?!
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This just falls in line with how much of an over site a lot of things have been for them. I lost all hope when I read that the main Esper dev is playing a stalker instead...
 
Obviously they are doing either really bad internal testing or none at all.
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I lost a lot of hope when I watched the most recent livestream and Tony Rey, the community manager and basically face of the company for all intents and purposes, hasn't leveled a character high enough to get a mount, and had no idea how to mount up when he got it via the lvl 50 PTR for Daggerstone Pass.
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I lost a lot of hope when I watched the most recent livestream and Tony Rey, the community manager and basically face of the company for all intents and purposes, hasn't leveled a character high enough to get a mount, and had no idea how to mount up when he got it via the lvl 50 PTR for Daggerstone Pass.
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I lost a lot of hope when I watched the most recent livestream and Tony Rey, the community manager and basically face of the company for all intents and purposes, hasn't leveled a character high enough to get a mount, and had no idea how to mount up when he got it via the lvl 50 PTR for Daggerstone Pass.
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really? hahahahaha! If he's going to be the main dev for espers, it should be his job requirement to only play that class. He's supposed to be an employee, not a player.
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I don't understand this kind of stuff. Why work on a video game if you aren't even interested in playing said video game?
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			In all honesty, this wouldn't be an issue if elder gems weren't capped artificially.	
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He's a Community Manager.
 
 
Feel that way when your Class Dev doesn't play your class or have a level 50 character at all!
 
 
*looks at Medic Class Lead*
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So back on topic...
 
I have seen a few (accent on 'few') of these drops.. always while in a group. They definitely exist, but are pretty rare... But, isn't that the point? Maybe it's not working as intended, but why would extra (accent on 'extra') AMP's and Ability points be common? The drop chance seems (accent on 'seems') to increase if you are in a group (since I've only ever seen them while in a group). But I get the feeling they are intentionally rare... 
 
 
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In all honesty, this wouldn't be an issue if elder gems weren't capped artificially.
 
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you lie...right?
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Madda's gotten several from World Drops while leveling Madda's stalker.
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So back on topic...
 
I have seen a few (accent on 'few') of these drops.. always while in a group. They definitely exist, but are pretty rare... But, isn't that the point? Maybe it's not working as intended, but why would extra (accent on 'extra') AMP's and Ability points be common? The drop chance seems (accent on 'seems') to increase if you are in a group (since I've only ever seen them while in a group). But I get the feeling they are intentionally rare... 
 
 
 
TBH the gems are capped at 2000 + per week. Its getting gems from elder points that's capped per week. IIRC they are supposed to be adding more non EP methods of obtaining EG's.
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http://www.twitch.tv/wildstar/c/4742577
 
Just watch the first 2-3 minutes.
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the  elder  gem  vendor  is  there to  help  people on long strings of  bad  luck. as  such  2.5 weeks is  a  long string  of  bad  luck(  technically  7.5 days of   just doing  dailies or  ~50 adventures).  at this  point if  drops   actually where doing  their  jobs  most player  would   be  finishing off   either  their  amp or  ability  point  upgrades.
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Isn't this the same guy that thought superman 64 was a good game?(I damn near died when i heard that)
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Isn't this the same guy that thought superman 64 was a good game?(I damn near died when i heard that)
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That would explain why WildStar keeps making you fly jump swim through hoops.
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Last night just doing my challenge circle in south grim vault - the Tier Point Item dropped off a normal mob.
 	
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My entire guild has yet to see one drop.
 
Amusingly though last week we saw 2 of the legendary glove items drop after never seeing them either.  Perhaps someday we'll see an amp/ability point...*sigh*	
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I don't understand this kind of stuff. Why work on a video game if you aren't even interested in playing said video game?
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I design buildings for a living and I enjoy my profession. I dare say I'm even good at my job.
 
That doesn't mean I want to look at blueprints when I go home at night.
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			I just got one from a PvP bag. I... Was level 19. Brutha gonna get paaaaaiiiiid.	
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Yeah but if you were invited to one of your recently designed buildings and you fell over the doorstep you put there yourself... then tried to open the door the wrong way... and then asked where the bathroom was... I would still raise an eyebrow.
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2 months of grinding mobs and or PvP has lead me to believe these 2 items do not exist for me.
 
I have 3 extra amp points now and guess where they came from, yep the EP vendor. To get my next one is 3 weeks from now.
 
Btw, last amp upgrade that was adverted in thayd zone chat a few days ago apparently sold for over 70 plat. GG?	
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