110359-the-cost-to-play

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Hope I can see a answer to this, as it will start causing issues eventually.
 
With the overall amount of massive gold sinks in the game, not everyone has the time to farm constantly, and have tons of money. With current repair costs, prices to remove runes, prices to UNLOCK rune slots, things are starting to get very expensive. I can understand one of the ways to bring in money for the game is by selling CREDD but when this starts to become the main source of income for people there is a serious balance issue going on. The reason I mention this is primarily because for the coming rune changes. Since this isn't going to be retroactive, guilds will be looking foward to almost fully replacing gear when the change hits from whatever content they are currently working on. This will force many players to pay exorbitant costs just to resocket items, not including the cost to remove, reroll, and re-rune current pieces while waiting for upgrades.
 
Legendary pieces with 3-4 sockets are already costing 1p+ just to unlock runes, and adding more is just going to stress the issue furthur as upgrades are found. I know this does not affect many people right now, but the same can be said for GA level items. I personally have gone from almost broken gear repairs at 13g~ to half way broken pieces at 40g~ with only 3 legendary pieces.  I loathe to see the day where I start paying 1p+ on a single repair.
 
I have already spent more on this game in CREDD than i care to admit, and I have never had problems in other MMO's with being able to keep up with repair, food, flask, and misc other items. This is something that should be addressed in a soon to come patch, maybe the next one with all of the bug fixes that are planned, so that when the new rune system rolls out, we don't have people begging in the street for handouts.	
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Hope I can see a answer to this, as it will start causing issues eventually.
 
With the overall amount of massive gold sinks in the game, not everyone has the time to farm constantly, and have tons of money. With current repair costs, prices to remove runes, prices to UNLOCK rune slots, things are starting to get very expensive. I can understand one of the ways to bring in money for the game is by selling CREDD but when this starts to become the main source of income for people there is a serious balance issue going on. The reason I mention this is primarily because for the coming rune changes. Since this isn't going to be retroactive, guilds will be looking foward to almost fully replacing gear when the change hits from whatever content they are currently working on. This will force many players to pay exorbitant costs just to resocket items, not including the cost to remove, reroll, and re-rune current pieces while waiting for upgrades.
 
Legendary pieces with 3-4 sockets are already costing 1p+ just to unlock runes, and adding more is just going to stress the issue furthur as upgrades are found. I know this does not affect many people right now, but the same can be said for GA level items. I personally have gone from almost broken gear repairs at 13g~ to half way broken pieces at 40g~ with only 3 legendary pieces.  I loathe to see the day where I start paying 1p+ on a single repair.
 
I have already spent more on this game in CREDD than i care to admit, and I have never had problems in other MMO's with being able to keep up with repair, food, flask, and misc other items. This is something that should be addressed in a soon to come patch, maybe the next one with all of the bug fixes that are planned, so that when the new rune system rolls out, we don't have people begging in the street for handouts.
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			If you want to buy CREDD, just stop spending plat for a while. It's not mandatory to spend, and you'll rack up 7p for a CREDD in no time.	
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I know I am coming froma  atmosphere were most people arent in, raiding from 7pm-2am 6 days a week. Making money takes time, and I can't devote a entire day off from work just to farm. I HAVE to spend plat just to repair, and rune new drops every week. Everytime I start to get ahead, and new piece drops, and I spend 3 plat just to get it set up. I am glad that some people have a good way to make money in this game, but not everyone plays the economy like some.
 
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If you want to buy CREDD, just stop spending plat for a while. It's not mandatory to spend, and you'll rack up 7p for a CREDD in no time.
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In one day, how much Plat do you spend?
I made something like 3p50g yesterday in maybe 2 hours (maybe) of me goofing around talking in guild.
If you are raiding 6 days a week, it looks like you might already know what you need to do on the 7th...	
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I know I am coming froma  atmosphere were most people arent in, raiding from 7pm-2am 6 days a week. Making money takes time, and I can't devote a entire day off from work just to farm. I HAVE to spend plat just to repair, and rune new drops every week. Everytime I start to get ahead, and new piece drops, and I spend 3 plat just to get it set up. I am glad that some people have a good way to make money in this game, but not everyone plays the economy like some.
 
 
The credd I buy isn't for game time. It is so that I have repair money for raids.
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You don't even have to touch dailies to hit EG cap to make money.
I am lv50 and I was a Survival/Architect, but changed to Survival/Mining. I join every Mining/Thicket circle I see to get more neighbors. It is faster to farm their plots then it is out in the world. The time it would take to do the dailies each day, I could already make 1p (it takes me about an hour to do both places [already done with BH rep]).
I am someone who hates daily quest like we have, so I have 0 care about hitting EG cap each week.	
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			Your profile picture.... i don't like it. You should change it.Some of the gold sinks are a little much, like with respecs and to unlock a rune slot. They do need to lower it a little for the people who don't have a ton of time to farm for gold.	
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In one day, how much Plat do you spend?
I made something like 3p50g yesterday in maybe 2 hours (maybe) of me goofing around talking in guild.
If you are raiding 6 days a week, it looks like you might already know what you need to do on the 7th...
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Consider the fact that a MONTH worth of time in this game costs under 10 plat (5 on the more populated servers)... 10 plat is 5 hours worth of farming.
 
 
5 hours worth of farming in an entire month. I have no idea how there are people who complain about this. That is not difficult at all. You shouldn't be worrying about stuff like legendaries if you don't have the time to earn money in the game...	
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Consider the fact that a MONTH worth of time in this game costs under 10 plat (5 on the more populated servers)... 10 plat is 5 hours worth of farming.
 
 
5 hours worth of farming in an entire month. I have no idea how there are people who complain about this. That is not difficult at all.
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Maybe YOU should change yours....
 
LOOK AT MEEE
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You shouldn't need CREDD, but you will need to farm to make money.  Plat's easy to come by if you take an hour or so (and you're in a gathering circle).
 
With that said, the prices on some things, repairs and amp respects, are a bit high for a game that wants you to try new things.
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You want hardcore, you pay for hardcore. If you are raiding as a guild, why are there no guild repairs going on during raid? Are your guild members having the same issue?
 
This game reminds me a lot of FFXI (in it's old days). When you were not leveling subs or gaining merits, or doing other end-game, you were farming to pay for food, potions, and gear upgrades (or mats, to have someone craft for you).
 
heck, even the same can be said about WoW. When I raided, I logged on to do as many dailies as I could before raid started, to make some gold, to be able to help with repairs and food. Days we did not raid, I was able to do more dailies to gain a bit more gold. That money was used for enchants and reforge.
 
So yea. End Game cost. If doing it 6 days a week is costing you an arm and a leg (or more then the sub price each month). Maybe you should cut back some.
OR use that "day off" from raiding, and farm for hours and hours.
 
I just did an hour, made 1p50g. do that once a day, 1 week = 10p.50. 4 weeks = 42p/mo
A raider needs say, 5p a day? 
Your day off would be all to farming.
Do not want to spend that day all to farming for your weeks worth of raiding? I guess you are buying CREDD to sell. Catch 22.
 
Me, I would cut back on raiding.	
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I know I am coming froma  atmosphere were most people arent in, raiding from 7pm-2am 6 days a week. Making money takes time, and I can't devote a entire day off from work just to farm. I HAVE to spend plat just to repair, and rune new drops every week. Everytime I start to get ahead, and new piece drops, and I spend 3 plat just to get it set up. I am glad that some people have a good way to make money in this game, but not everyone plays the economy like some.
 
 
The credd I buy isn't for game time. It is so that I have repair money for raids.
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I don't think you quiet understand just how much farming is needed for a progression guild that raids 4-5 nights a week and actually has a full set of purples +
 
I have to farm about an hour a day outside of raids to break even and thats making all of my own things, farming most of my runes/signs, and not having Relic gear.
 
it's not fun to know that the hours i spend to earn a few plat are going to be gone from reworking a few runes, repairing, or having to buy food buffs for raids.. never getting ahead unless I am willing to sit and farm for HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS!
 
Some ppl say " just play the AH" well... where do you think those ppl get the money to spend on the AH..? the AH ? if everyone did that, nothing would sell and its already starting to look that way. the purple BOEs i throw up there for reasonable prices never sell. I have to sell them for a fraction of their true worth due to lack of cash influx for players.
 
 
the game is dry, dull, and boring outside of raids. I have no more quests to do... I literally log on to try and do achievements and half of them are bugged and don't give credit... I would pvp but that's just not really my thing.
 
So like me, many ppl are bored and literally only login when they have to... which is why most ppl think the games dead when its not.. its well alive but no ones online unless they are in a dang raid or doing daily quests for rep they wont need by the time they finish it :)
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			Sounds like Enigma needs an accountant :P	
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Sounds like Enigma needs an accountant :P
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			I really recommend joining a harvesting circle, especially, survivalist. I am in one with about 50 other people, and 1 hour of farming said circle, usually gives me pretty close to a full plat. A stack of 5 (T5) wood goes for a gold; even the lower level wood sells decently. A stack of 100 (T1) goes for 2g. 	
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Circles who let lowbies without max level fabkits in exist?!?
 
Though if I raid 40 hours a week, the last thing I want to do is spend another hour per raid day harvesting lol.	
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Cricles who let lowbies without max level fabkits in exist?!?
 
Though if I raid 40 hours a week, the last thing I want to do is spend another hour per raid day harvesting lol.
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Relics, there's your problem. Go mining or survivalist...or both.
 
Elite fabkits may seem expensive at first, but...they pay off very well on an alt.	
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The cost of being world #1 - very pricey.
 
Stock up on mats now before the rune change.... or have to be lucky to get in circles with your level 14 alts to farm other people's T4 stuff.
Especially if the circle isn't really active, it might take a while just to break even on the elite fabs investment.
 
I suggest you make your alts with the largest boobs possible! It's a joke.	
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Relics, there's your problem. Go mining or survivalist...or both.
 
Elite fabkits may seem expensive at first, but...they pay off very well on an alt.
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You want hardcore, you pay for hardcore. If you are raiding as a guild, why are there no guild repairs going on during raid? Are your guild members having the same issue?
 
This game reminds me a lot of FFXI (in it's old days). When you were not leveling subs or gaining merits, or doing other end-game, you were farming to pay for food, potions, and gear upgrades (or mats, to have someone craft for you).
 
heck, even the same can be said about WoW. When I raided, I logged on to do as many dailies as I could before raid started, to make some gold, to be able to help with repairs and food. Days we did not raid, I was able to do more dailies to gain a bit more gold. That money was used for enchants and reforge.
 
So yea. End Game cost. If doing it 6 days a week is costing you an arm and a leg (or more then the sub price each month). Maybe you should cut back some.
OR use that "day off" from raiding, and farm for hours and hours.
 
I just did an hour, made 1p50g. do that once a day, 1 week = 10p.50. 4 weeks = 42p/mo
A raider needs say, 5p a day? 
Your day off would be all to farming.
Do not want to spend that day all to farming for your weeks worth of raiding? I guess you are buying CREDD to sell. Catch 22.
 
Me, I would cut back on raiding.
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farming guide for you: 2-2.5 platina per hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YOHCufHAew	
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			You shouldn't play the game if you don't have time. This game is hardcore. If people are quitting the game, so be it. It's not the game that should change, it's your attitude. Sorry.I'm kidding. Just take more hours of your day to farm on mining circles, they are very profitable. Maybe you will increase your probability of getting carpal tunnel syndrome too, which is an attunement for being hardcore.	
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farming guide for you: 2-2.5 platina per hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YOHCufHAew
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			I have techno because I normally make all my own sht for raiding, and the coming changes will be a nice early money maker. Cant be switching to make sht every other day, easier this way. Have a alt I am leveling for circles. 	
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I have techno because I normally make all my own sht for raiding, and the coming changes will be a nice early money maker. Cant be switching to make sht every other day, easier this way. Have a alt I am leveling for circles. 
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			I've actually gotten enough into this game to think about committing to raiding once again. It makes me back off that when I think about a 3-4 plat times 3 days a week =  10+ plat a week cost to play!!?!? Maybe that's a good thing for me in the long run, but that isn't what was advertised for the hardcore raids. That sounds like too much of a gold grind to play.	
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I cannot comprehend how someone has no money in this game. I have 163p and have done literally nothing special to obtain it. I raid 6 days a week (well I did till we killed Ohmna, now its only 2 or so) and my money just kept going up while doing so. 
 
What do you do with your money to use it all up and have none?	
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I cannot comprehend how someone has no money in this game. I have 163p and have done literally nothing special to obtain it. I raid 6 days a week (well I did till we killed Ohmna, now its only 2 or so) and my money just kept going up while doing so. 
 
What do you do with your money to use it all up and have none?
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Umm
"have done literally nothing special to obtain it" and "I raid 6 days a week" seem to not line up in my brain
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