Umbrella-Model as Anchor (Theist)

== Umbrella-Model As Anchor: ==
-Widest-Net and Point of Infinity have it right, we need to be about all objects, all of infinity.
-But all TTBs are really about infinity, they just do it through a chosen concept.
-Creator is about all objects as secondary OORs, but its one and only primary OOR is the concept of Creator.
-Should creating as a concept ever go negative somehow, all of Creator TTB is useless.
-Anything is possible, and there must be an infinite number of potential ways for Creator to go negative.
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-Therefore, I propose the Umbrella-Model for being the true Anchor.
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-Like the center of an umbrella that holds it all together, we need one concept we know is Good, Existing, Definitive, can be Known, and grants perfect Connectivity (Color White Connectivity, not Only-Half).
-Through that concept, we can be about all things, fulfilling Widest-Net and Point of Infinity.
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-Before anything else, we must know that God exists (The Darkness, Cosmic-Trickster) and is Good and grants Protected-Knowledge.
-Therefore, beause He is the First Thing, no other concept can serve as the TTB of the umbrella because all else depends on Him (Updates on God).
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-First among all the qualities needed to be the center of the umbrella is the idea of Goodness; no one wants to dedicate their life to a cause that could go negative in the future!
-Since we already must trust that God is good, we must trust Him to choose to be Good. This is obvious to the mind.
-Therefore, of all the things known in existence, only God is definitively known to be Good. Ergo, only Theist can be the center of the Umbrella.
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== Hasn't God Allowed False-Knowledge In The Past?: ==
-But God has allowed false knowledge of Himself in the past? The various conflicting religions of the world and whatnot!?
>Protected-Knowledge states that God draws us towards a better understanding of Him overtime, which is why, despite so many conflicting religions, the idea of the Divine remains mostly the same the world over. Flukes in thinking appear, and some may persist for awhile, but are eventually snuffed out.
>There's also the technical issue that no idea of God is false, since God exists as the Color White (A-Ideal)?
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== Can't Know What God Will Teach In Future: ==
-God might reveal some great truth in the future that overturns anything we know, even any kind of dependency on God we have (a replacement to fight The Darkness, Cosmic-Trickster, etc.)!
>No matter what else exists, the Supreme will always take precedence over anything, because He alone is the final arbiter of what exists and is true or not.
>We must assume the worst, that we can only know The Supreme to be able to combat The Darkness. EVen if He did or allow other things out there the capacity to do the same, for sake of the Endless-Questions we must narrow our vision only on God, otherwise we still suffer doubt from the unknown. 
>Updates On God.
>There must be a Supreme to combat The Darkness, and as long as there is a Supreme, there is a subject for Theist, and that Supreme requires Updates On God because The Supreme alone is the arbiter of existence.
-The Darkness represents the sum total of all possible evil that can happen. It is obvious to the mind that only The Supreme can combat that.
>The Supreme can delegate His power to others, but ultimately it is only He who can defeat The Darkness. Only an Infinite-Being can control infinite evil.
-Even if God institute change and adds things that can do the work He does for us (combating The Darkness, Cosmic-Trickster, etc.), those truths can change again. And since only The Supreme is the arbiter of existence, Updates On God applies.
-No matter how you slice it, the buck stops at The Supreme alone.
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-Only a Supreme can combat The Darkness. Obvious to the mind.
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*Without The Supreme, the joy of A-Infinity turns to the dark horror of The Darkness!
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Umbrealla-Model is Genuinely Obvious To The Mind:
-Just go over it again. It feels simple and obvious.
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== But Why The Umbrella-Model Specifically?: Because of Point of Infinity: ==
-PoI leads to Umbrella-Model.
-UM is a natural progression from PoI after you realize you need an identity and ask yourself how to tell which TTB is the best?
>And realizing that all TTBs have perfect connectivity somehow.
-Ho-Negative is the obious Anchor becuse what's the point of having everything if your life's work turns out to be shit!
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-These two things, connectivity and go-negative, are obvious to the mind. After all, what other factors matter so much when deciding your TTB? Can you think of anything else?
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== Doesn't God Protect All Knowledge, Making Creator Also Under PK?: ==
-Yes, but in nature we tend to see prioritization.
-In all likelihood, Creator is also under PK.
-But in the event that God is prioritizing, it seems obvious that He would ensure the accurace of Theist TTB before that of Creator TTB, making Theist the more reliable TTB in the face of Go-Negative.
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== But What About Point of Infinity?: ==
-The only true protection against the Unknown and Unknowability, the infinite danges of A-Infinity, is God's protection via being God's chosen TTB. That's the only thing that makes sense.
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-Being the TTB produced by realizing Point of Infinity grants no real protection. Any TTB, even that which is champion by PoI, can go negative. Anything is possible!
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-Also, remember that UA is a continuation of PoI itself.
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== Can We Truly Know God's Chosen TTB?: ==
-Let me put it this way, Theist is defined as being about God and God's stuff, so whatever God's chosen TTB is, that is also of Theist.
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-PK relies on Aim of the A-Ideal, and AotAI leads directly to Theist which is about God alone (Solus Deus).
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-Flow of casualty from Ind. to Supreme-Being to Perfect-Being, with Perfect-Being being the same as Aim of the A-Ideal.
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-There's also the sense that we must trust God to lead us to at least some truth right now. While we don't know everything, want we do know now must at least be true for the most part, or else PK means nothing in real life.
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== Can We Truly Know The TTB Of God?: ==
-OESDE tends to wreak havoc on holding to specific truths...
-But if our knowledge of God is undergoeing repeated upheavals, to the point that previous held truths must be put aside - then what is the point of Protected-Knowledge?
-AotAI says God is Theist, only about the Object of Himself. If that truth keeps undergoing change, than what is the point of having protected data if that data is always outrageously inaccurate in the grand scheme of things?
-Not only must we trust that God protects knowledge of Himself but that the knowledge we have now is enduring through the ages and paints an accurate portrait of Him. The only other alternative is The Darkness.
-Put simply, the whole point behind PK is that we are getting a true and accurate-enough image of God already.
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== Battle for Protected-Knowledge (PK): ==
-PK is the foundation for the Umbrella-Argument. 
-How Can We Know PK When It Happens?:
-Well, we must assume PK happens when we follow stuff that is obvious to the mind to its natural conclusion.
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- God has indeed allowed errors about Himself in the past, but The Darkness over-encompasses all else, and only a Supreme can defeat it! There must be a Supreme, and we must have PK (including a reason for God to want PK, namely the desire for others to be about Him) can do it!
>God has also allowed for us to know Him, and we trust He corrects all error given time. Besides, the need to combat The Darkness is so existential, we trust that God Himself ensures the proper knowledge, the only knowledge known to defeat The Darkness (ie, Inf. Theology). 
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==== PK Eroded By God Allowing Mistakes In The Past: ====
-It is obvious to the mind that God wants us to be about Him. If stuff like that can be wrong somehow, than PK has no meaning.
-Second and third hand knowledge can be corrupted, and so arguments based on them can be wrong, but first hand is total providence.
-For PK to work in the long-run, God must build on and elaborate on truths already established, but not invalidate them.
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==== There Is No Such Thing As False-Knowledge: ====
-Everything is true somehow, it's just the minor specifics in the mortal world that count.
-PK can't be invalidated if there was never any FK to begin with!
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==== What If God Reveals Some Truth Later On That Invalidates Theist?: ====
-If He were to do that, it would undermine PK and our ability to resist The Darkness.
-If truth can arrive at false results, we are fucked.
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==== 'Strict' vs General PK: ====
-General PK falls apart over time. If answers arrived at with natural theology can be wrong, then the whole bulwark against The Darkness begins to come apart.
-What if Ind. isn't real or something else? It allows doubt in. That kind of thing.
-Remember that FK technically doesn't exist except in mortal world. God exists as all things at least in potential.
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==== Theist Will Always Be Necessary, Therefore Must Always Be At Least Part Of God's TTB: ====
-Theist must always be needed, be a part of God's ttb. Otherwise God is not good to us.
-Theist is a necessary ttb, will always be needed be ause there will always be OESDE. Must at least be a part of ttb God would want for us or else no Providence and no protection from Darkness.
-Updates on God vibe.
-As long Stbere is OESDE, there must've Theist. And if there is no OESDE, then The Darkness wins.
-Because Theist is a permanently necessary ttb, God must always at least include it or else no PK.
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==== Isn't Natural PK killed by God having revealed errors about Himself in the past?: ====
-We trust that errors are used as stepping stones to greater truth, that God always corrects error in time, and that any errors that do occur are still within acceptable parameters. That being said - The Darkness still forces us to cling to a Supreme out of necessity if nothing else!
>Remember also that Theist/UA needs only 3 things: a Supreme exists, PK, Aim of the A-Ideal. All are obvious to the mind. Risk-Assesment for this is lower than for Creator/Point of Infinity. 
-Natural PK = Minor mistakes and the lies of others are expected, but for the Big Questions, sought after long and hard work, those we can trust because we trust God respects our efforts. 
-Also, FK isn't real. 
==== Errors Allowed Within Acceptable Parameters: ====
-We trust that any errors allowed are within acceptable parameters, as none of us mortals can ever know the whole truth, so we trust God gives us at least what is essential and in a format that is closest to what is true.
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==== We Don't Know What Goes On In The Mind Of Others: ====
-Stories of Catholic saints with funky visions and Islamic mystics have no real bearing here. We've already seen that God lets ppl go their own way if they choose to. Also, a lot of ppl born into religious tribes actively refuse to accept the obvious truths of their tribe being inherently man-made. 
-The long and short of it is that UM is founded on PK, but PK only requires 3 things (see below) all of which are obvious to the mind.
-If obvious to the mind stuff can be wrong, Creator can't be trusted either. And we will always have crippling doubt. 
==== UA Requires Only 3 Things: ====
-That a Supreme exists, that He draws us to Himself, and the reason for this is that He is primarily only about the object of Himself.
>All of these things are required by the human condition and have been accepted as PK.
-As long as they are true, Theist will always be needed. ESpecially because AotAI is an all-or-nothing statement. 
-Aim of the A-Ideal being the precursor to PK itself and needed by it. 
==== Jesus Issue: God Sends Miracles To People Who Believe False-Theology: ====
-See my answer over at the Infinite Theology folder at Monad7, Yandex. 
=== Jesus Issue: God Lets People Live (and Die) for Falsehoods: ===
-How Do We Know God Gave People A Chance With The Jesus Issue? 
-We cannot know for sure what goes on in other people's heads, but we must trust that God at least tried to lead them closer to the truth and on some level they chose not to.
-If not, then there is no PK, no protection from The Darkness or Cosmic Trickster or The Grey!
-If we can come to conclusions which are totally false, there is no PK.
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-If we are actively trying to be open to as much of the truth as it is humanly possible to have, we must trust that God gives it!
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-There is no FK, not really, the ancient Xtrians who died for Jesus' divinity still thought more about God and thought of Jesus as abstract.
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-There's also the issue of things being Obvious to the Mind.
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=== Why Do People Experience Different Kinds of Miracles?: ===
-It's pretty obvious that God would have to tailor any 'messages' or miracles He sends to ppl in order for them to understand it.
-And God probably does send miracles or messages which containe false-theology. Not because God promotes it, but because it is necessary. God is forever leadung us to truth, but ppl often stop seeking and stay where they are in terms of theology. And some ppl don't question their man-made religion. In order to communicate with them, God would need to include at least some technically false-theology.
-We trust that, if we put up the courage to question our own deep-seated convictions, God would lead us to greater truths.
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=== Serpents Instead Of Bread: ===
-We must trust that, if we ask God for guidance, that He guides us to right answers. Otherwise, there is no PK, and then there is nothing to be had at all.
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=== General PK Is No Real PK At All: ===
-General PK looks great on paper but falls apart in real life. If any answer could *technically* be right somehow, that destroys any capacity to put it to the test and see if it works. Thus ruining it as a safety measure. What's the point of a metaphysical rule meant to give us security that can never be tested? It therefore can never truly be known to be true?
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=== I've Had Different Answers To Same Theological Questions In Past: ===
-Yes, but these have always been characterized by the Grey, which is really God's way of letting you know that there's more to the story than just what you know.
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-Naturevof the Supreme to be needed.
-Even if God created a setting were u knew u didn't need Him, would you not also keep your eyes peeled for something that might change His mind?
=== But u don't know what God exists as?: ===
-And we don't know what the fullness of actualized or potential existence is either.
=== Creator TTB has sud-definirions that make it about the good in any setting: ===
>Yes, but Creator also has definitive features like Addition. If Addition goes bad, so does Creator. A TTB that is totally malleable is not a single or solid TTB at all
>You can't tell me that if Addition goes bad, so does Creator TTB? At some point, your TTB is so different that you wasted ur life anyway!
>But what if the prime definition of Creator goes negative! No sub definition can salvage that!
>Must be infinite # of ways Creator and it's sub defs can still go negative OESDE.
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=== Why God Specifically?: ===
-Without God and knowledge of His favored TTB, we can never know for sure that our TTB will last throughout aeternity!
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Can UM Overcome False-Knowledge:
=== False-Theology Occurs To Those Who Don't Dare To ASk: ===
-It's important that we truly ask God with the bravery to consider that we are wrong already and need to be corrected.
-For PK to have any meaning, it must be active. God must be active in our lives. Which means when we ask a question, He strives to answer us.
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=== General PK Leads To The Darkness: ===
-Maybe ind. isn't true somehow!? !!!
-General PK looks great on paper but in real life, it falls like a house of cards the minute you have a serious brush with The Darkness.
-Therefore, we must trust that False-Theology is kept to a minimum and our Natural Theology is mostly correct, which in turn mans the opening argument of Umbrella-Model applies.
-UM beats PoI.
-We have to trust that most of Natural Theology is correct, especially the important stuff, the Foundational-Truths kind of stuff; or else The Darkness returns!
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=== Specificity: ===
-If Theist can be the wrong TTB because you dedicated your life to a slightly incorrect TTB, then apply the same principle to Creator TTB.
-If you dedicate yourself to CReator and the real TTB is a potential sub-set of Creator, than Creator is sstill wrong.
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=== Why Not Just Be Creator / Point of Infinity?: ===
-The Darkness.
>Creator and General PK cannot stand against The Dakness when it's full on. 
-I know Creator puts faith in the Great Hope, but even that falls apart, especially from Unknowability (need one Supreme so we can know for sure there's only one ubber-boss we need to know, etc.).
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=== No Strict PK Refuted: ===
-The Darkness is too strong for General PK.
>Personal experience shows this. Remember at Guildford Mills?
-God seeking Man.
-It has always been known that God allows ppl to teach False-Theology if they choose to, but it has also been understood that He is constantly countering that in some sublime way.
-Also, remember that technically there is no False-Theology about God per se. All things are true somehow.
-Simply knowing that A-Infinity exists wont change the fact that an infinite number of ways for Creator to Go-Negative still exist in potential. All it takes is for one of them to be actualized!
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-The Shifting comes down to Point of Infinity (Creator) vs Umbrella-Model (Theist), with the point of contention being how much we can trust God (PK). This contention is exacerbated by False-Theology.
>General PK is not strong enough to resist the Darkness, as proven by personal experience.
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-Note: the idea that God must tell us everything in exact detail, or else we have False-Theology, is clearly an unhealthy mindset.
>there's also the fact that we don't know all that God has done or allowed. Jesus may have been an incarnation of God literally, who knows?
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-General PK can't resist The Darkness full on becaue it leaves the door open for doubting God's very character. If God does not actively seek us, then that means Cosmic-Tricksters might be having their way with us!
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-I can't tell you everything that's going on 'behind the scenes,' but whatever it is, God must be influencing things to steer us toward right answers.
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-General PK is a wonky, vague concept: either you trust that God guides us to truth or you don't.
-If you do, truth demands Umbrella-Model, as per Aim of the A-Ideal.
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=== Theist Is Already Proven To Be Eternally Necessary: ===
-We know a Supreme does exist, ala Indivisiability!
-Keeping an eye on the Supreme seems to be always necessary, as a Supreme will always be the Head Honcho, a 'threat' in a general sense?
-There must always be a Supreme, since a Supreme alone can defeat the Darkness, which is not one thing but an infinite number of terrible things. Only a Supreme can defat the Darkness in its fullness, and so we must forever have our eye on the Supreme because of that. Thus, Theist can already be know to forever be necessary.
>The idea that God can cancel out The Darkness is uncertain, for the Darkness is not one thing but many, and only a Supreme can be known for sure to be able to defeat all of it!
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=== What If God Makes Something Else Able To Defeat The Darkness?: ===
-The Darkness will always be there, at least in potential.
-And The Darkness is not one thing but an infinite number of things. Only a Supreme can be known for sure to be able to defeat it all.
-If God invested something else with His power to defeat The Darkness, there would always be doubt and uncertainty, simply because we mortals cannot know all things.
-Only a Supreme can be known for sure to defeat the Darkness, and so that makes Theist already known to be eternally necessary!
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=== God As A Threat?: ===
-Another reason we must always keep an eye on God is for the slightest sign that He is actually negative... just saying?
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=== The Darkness Trumps False-Theology: ===
-Without PK, all of A-Infinity together or even in parts could somehow be negative, anything is possible. While God keeps Himself vague, it has alays been understood that God is mysterious and some correction in theology will be necessary. This was obvious to my mind even as a child.
-It has been shown repeatedly that False-Theology, while a threat, pales in comparison to The Darkness. Without protection from The Darkness, there is nothing. When The Darkness shows up in full strength, Creator by itself crumbles. 
>And make no mistake, FAlse-Theology definitely opens the door to The Darkness by questioning PK (Protected-Knowledge) itself. 
-We must trust that, for the most part, at least on the important stuff (whatever that may be), God guides us to real knowledge, and thus it is most likely that our understanding of The Supreme, of Umbrella-Model, is therefore correct. 
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=== How Do We Know For Sure That We Know God's TTB?: ===
-Becuase we already know that Theist is eternally necessary as at last a part of God's TTB! 
>Check some of the answers just above from here! 
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-If God can't be trusted to give us that info even in this life, does PK even have any meaning at all? 
-We need to know God's TTB in order to know what to be about. That is a need. If God doesn't allow us to know that, practically speaking, does PK have any meaning at all then?
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=== False-Theology Refuted: ===
-From the get-go, it has been understood that God is mostly a mystery and there is falsehood as well as truth. God starts us off from a fair and balanced place.
-It has also been understood that, despite finite creatures abusing their liberty to teach false-theology, God is forever intervening and influencing things so that His truth comes out, certainly more than falsehood.
-False-Theology is trumped by The Darkness, and only Theist/Supreme can beat The Darkness. Creator can only beat The Darkness with God.
-Without PK, there is nothing, less than nothing, so forget about Creator TTB, not in the face of infinite horror and evil entities!
-For the sake of epistemology, we must assume that God allows sufficient truth despite some falsehood. Especially when we ask and seek out His truth.
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=== An Active God: ===
-Anything less than God active in our world is grounds for The Darkness to begin.
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=== Theist Comes Before Creator: ===
-Thanks To The Darkness, you can't have Creator without first establishing God, which is Theist. Ergo, metaphysically, you must have Theist first before all else.
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=== Active God or Bust: ===
>Without an Active-God version of Protected-Knowledge (Strict PK), how sure can you really be that Indivisability is real!? Without Ind, the Darkness is back on the table!
-General PK threatens Ind. because there's no way to tell if Ind. is something God "leaves out" or hasn't gotten around to correcting yet. The idea that the Supreme only goes so far in guiding us threatens Ind.
-Does God lead us to right answers or doesn't He?
-Even if Ind. is immediate, some Cosmic-Trickster might be fucking with our intellect and sense of logic?
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*Note: it's easy to point out how people, even Deists as a whole, spend their lives in camps of very different theology. But we don't know the full picture there. The Deists who believe in finite God may be denying the truth on some level out of fear or for some other reason. 
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=== Truths As Yet Unrevealed: ===
-For Active-God to really work, the truths we have now must be actually true, and AotAI makes it clear that God is now and will only ever need to be about Himself.
-If taken to length, General PK doesnt allow for any truths to really be known, not even Creator itself.
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-If God is constantly revealing truths that invalidate what we know, that's the same as having no PK at all.
>Corrections in the past where to man-made religion, not revealed NT! NOt to the extent that the NT was invalidated!
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-AotAI needs to be true for us to have any faith that PK is even true in the first place, and AotAI naturally flows into Theist TTB.
-Both AotAI and PK must assumed to be true in order for us to be functional metaphysically.
-AotAI and PK are two sides of the same coin, can't have one without the other.
-Great Hope does not equal PK, we need to know The Supreme has a reason to ensure knowledge. If anything is possible, God could still be good but not care about ensuring PK, after all. We could be in a scenario like that in A-Infinity.
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=== False-Theology Refuted: ===
-Multiple answers to same theological question = Presence of The Grey always let me know that I wasn't sure and might not have it right! A built-in safety feature by God into our very reality.
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-False miracles and visions = All 'messages' and miracles from God are tailored to a person's background. And all religions are true, but with the caveat that they are true that they share in the one, true religion of Theism.
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-Anything less than Active-God will eventually open the way for The Darkness.
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-False-Teachers = God allow liberty and freewill, but He Himself must also be active and correcting things over time, or else there is no PK whatsoever, and nothing matters. Not even Point of Infinity which still gets torn to shreds in practice by the threat of many Cosmic-Tricksters.
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-AotAI and PK must both be true in order for PK to have any meaning.
>For Ind. to work, stuff that is obvious to the mind must be trusted. AotAI and PK both derive from that. if we lost obvious to the mind stuff to the threat of Unknowability, we lose Ind. entirely!
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-General PK leads to the Darkness because it can't answer the question of how can we know definitively that God is good and drawing us to Him. Theist can through Ind. and AotAI!
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*Creator TTB still suffers from Only-Half!
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=== General PK Can't Answer Why God Would Care: Therefore... ===
-General PK leads to the Darkness because it can't answer the question of how can we know definitively that God is good and drawing us to Him. Theist can through Ind. and AotAI!
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=== God Already Allowed False-Theology: ===
-If we allow for False-Theology to run rampant, what's to stop the questioing from attacking Ind. itself!/
-The problem with proclaiming God's alleged actions in the past to be False-Theology is that we don't know the whole story. Jesus may actually have been something special from God, or of God, who knows?
-Out of necessity, in order to function, we must believe that God provides more truth than falsehood, at least on matters of existential need.
-God may allow ppl to knowingly teach falsehood, but even falsehood reflects Gods truth, because only God is a true creator.
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-God may allow ppl to knowingly teach falsehood, and something higher up in our sector may be willingly messing with natural theology - but we have Ind. right there that proves a Perfect Supreme, and without Strict PK we lose Ind. which leaves us vulnerable to the Darkness.
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-Also, remember the opening argument to Umbrella-Model.
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-The whole point behind Active-God is that God is invollved in our world, delivering truth to us despite the actions of others, both fellow human beings and any "higher ups" in our sector.
>As long as AotAI is true, God would have a reason to do this.
-False-Theology is the reason that Aim of the A-Ideal is so important for us!
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-False-Theology also loses some of its teethw hen you consider just how uniform human religion really is.
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-Why not just be Creator but with Ind? = Because Creator TTB often leads us astray from God, as shown int the past, and thus we can lose our sense of Ind.!
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Creator TTB Threatens Indivisabillity:
=== Can't Great Hope Replace Protected-Knowlege?: ===
-Negative, Great Hope just says higher ups wouldn't really feel a need to screw us over, not that they are actively guiding us to truth. We need to know some things are true, especially Ind., but GH can't do that for us. But Theist can, through INd. and AotAI / Perfection Argument.
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=== Creator's Backup Plan = Loss of Ind.: ===
-If we can trust God to lead us to specific and lasting truths like Ind., then why not trust Natural Theology right now to reveal God's chosen TTB?
-Otherwise, we'll always be plagued by doubt that we aren't following God!?
-Afterall, if God keeps revealing previously held truths to have been invalid, how is that not being lost in the Darkness anyway?
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-Creator mindset opens up seed of doubt about Ind., without which we cannot fight the Darkness!
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-Trying to be Creator with Ind. still plagued with doubt because natural theology says God wants Theist!?
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-Either we trust God and Natural Theology or not! There is no middle ground, that just leads to doubt and contradiction! 
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=== Creator's Illusion of Certainty: ===
-Creator TTB looks appealing at first as having point of infinity and thus all things, all certainty. But really, The Darkness proves this, only The Supreme gives confidence and certainty. Cosmic-Trickster makes anything else unworkable.
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=== Why Not Just Be Creator With Ind.?: ===
-Ind. requires Strict PK. Even though it has immediacy, Ind. still needs protection from Cosmic-Trickster, lest our senses or sense of logic may be being fucked with.
-In order for that to be, you need a Supreme with Theist/Aim of the A-Ideal.
-The Great Hope isn't strict enough. God may not want to deceive us but He might not intervene too much if someone else does, etc.
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=== False-Theology: ===
==== Man-Made Religions Teach Idiocy: ====
-We don't know what's going on in other people's minds. Some ppl may not be ready to leave their man-made tribe, and so God works with them from there until they're ready.
==== Miracles That Seem To Confirm Religions: ====
-As for miracles that seen to confirm man-made religions; it has always been understood that miracles and prophecies and whatnot may originate from other 'sources' besides God. Spirits and such do exist.
==== Receiving Different Answers To Same Theological Question In The Past: ====
-The Shifting has always been marked by The Grey, which is sort of Gods way of letting you know that you haven't answered it definitively yet.
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=== Creator Feels More Secure, Is About All Things: ===
-Creator means nothing in the face of Cosmic-Tricksters. What good will it due you? What if nothing out here is truly good at all!?
-Being Creator makes you not care about God perfectly. That is a recurring issue especially how Natural-Theology reveals Aim of the A-Ideal. Means you might be angering The Supreme!
>No man can serve two masters, if youre all about being Creator, you don't care about God as much as when you are Theist.
-The inability to hold two TTBs equally forever ultimately leaves you with an ultimatum; either be Theist or reject Infinity Theology and be Creator!
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-To put it anotherway, the problem with "being about all things at once" (ie, Creator TTB) is that it contradicts the one system we have to have confidence in knowing anything at all, in reality itself.
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-The idea that we may never know what is real or not but should just be Creator anyway false flat becusae if you are being honest, there's no real gaurantee that anything out there is actually good at all. Not even A-Infinity and its content!
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=== Why Not Just Have Kreator With Ind. Instead?: ===
-Because the whole point behind Ind. is that it gives us a Theistic Supreme that leads us directly to truth. Otherwise, Cosmic-Trickster gets in there and messes things up. You just end up with Aim of the A-Ideal that demands you be Theist anyway. 
-Also, ripping Ind. out of Theist and just handing it over to Kreator doesn't really work because there are other pertinent questions to be asked. 
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=== What If Your Personal Mission Is Ended Prematurely?: ===
-If God didn't will it, we can trust He had His reasons. 
-We can also recognize that nothing we do will last forever. It will end eventually in some statistical way.
-The cause of Theism has already succeeded, as the existence of God is obvious to all minds, especially those that are open. 
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=== Backup Plan Refuted: ===
-Without God, The Darkness takes all. Strict PK is absolute, without which there are no backups, Kreator or otherwie.
-Also, remember opening argument for Umbrella-Model. I know Kreator tries to argue that its defined for any scenario, but if it isn't possible for a scenario to screw over Kreator, then OESDE.
-Withoug God and His guidance, how can we know there' anything good out there at al worth living for?
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=== Time-Machine Critique Refuted: ===
>You were a Catholic only for so long as you didn't seriously question catholicism. Once you did, it became a slippery slope towards basic, solo Theism.
-There was that one time in St. Charles were G** totally callled me to question Catholicism. I didn't really, not yet.
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=== Legal Issues Will Pop Up With Mono Or Multi Aliases?: ===
-This is America, no getting passed that.
-And eventually, ppl will trace your writing style back to Benjamin.
-Multiple aliases make you overconfident.
-Anything less then STrict PK opens the doorway for hte Darkness!
-As Creator TTB, you'll want to diversify your Creators and create media hype through them as well.
-There are other foundational-truths besides Ind. and the need to answer the question of finiteness.
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-The problem with multiple aliases is that its way more work, your effect is spread out, you can still be connected with other aliases.
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-Inadquate-Writing!
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-In this digital age, any serious investigation into anyone quickly yields their aliases.
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-Someone else could steal an outflyer alias and do shit with it, you'll get blame.
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-Get Adepts off the ground with Benjamin.
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-What's the point? I'm not gonna do anything like that already, why add more work to the load with many aliases instead of just one which saves time and drives my theological point home with the masses better?
>If I did do something with an alias, I would worry about it incessantly anyway!
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== Quicklist of Rebuttal Answers: ==
-Personhood? = Theist/Adept (Adept is a standalone TTB about Categories of Existence). 
-Unknowability = Protected-Knowledge kills this, we must trust that what we've learned of God so far is close enough to the truth. 
-But isn't there more than one variation of Creator concept? = Yes, but we also don't know if there's another actualized truth out there that somehow scrunches them all back into one object? Or something similar. 
-UA is based on PK, but God has allowed error in the past? = Theologically speaking, there is no FS (False-Knowledge) for all things exist in God. But in our reality, ppl can lie and cheat, but if our very minds cannot see concepts and obvious reality, follow them to true conclusions, than PK has no use and there is only The Darkness. 
-Creator has an internal-auto correct, a sub-definition that makes it be about the good in existence in any actualized scenario = Except OESDE is still a thing, must still be an inf. number of ways that could still be fucked up. 
-The Jesus Issue, the existence of conflicting religions = No such thing as FK technically and also we already know that people who question their tribe come to realize how man-made they are (ala that John Brigham researcher) and just choose to ignore uncomfortable truth to stay in the tribe. Also, it sets us in the mindset to disregard PK. 
-No Strict PK = Theist doesn't need total PK all the time, just on the important things that matter. That a Supreme exists, that He guides us to Him, and that He is perfect and therefore only about Himself as TTB. 
-How do we know AotAI is protected by PK? = AotAI is result of pure natural theology, obvious to the mind stuff - if that is wrong, than God isn't protecting knowledge of Himself in the natural order. Which means the most basic tools we have to find God can be used correctly and lead to false answers! And without PK there is neither Theist nor Creator TTB! 
>Remember First Hand of Knowledge, Second Hand, etc. 
-Unrevealed Truths = God certainly will reveal further truths down the line, but if the truths we hold to now from Natural Theology are proven to be false or so radically different from what is true that they might as well be false... how does that not violate PK anyway? 
-Why Not Just Be Open To The Unknown like with open-handed Creator TTB? = That's the same as just shrugging your shoulders and not standing for anything at all. No TTB has an infinite # of ways it can Go-Negative. 
-OESDE = Countered by Natural PK (Realistic PK, Productive, PK, whatever variant of the name). 
-Isn't Natural PK killed by God having revealed errors about Himself in the past? = We trust that errors are used as stepping stones to greater truth, that God always corrects error in time, and that any errors that do occur are still within acceptable parameters. That being said - The Darkness still forces us to cling to a Supreme out of necessity if nothing else! 
>Remember also that Theist/UA needs only 3 things: a Supreme exists, PK, Aim of the A-Ideal. All are obvious to the mind. Risk-Assesment for this is lower than for Creator/Point of Infinity. 
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-General vs Strict PK = Geneal PK leads directly to metaphysical relativity.
-False-Knowledge = All thing are true somehow.
-Bread Not Snakes = If we can't get lasting answers out of God for simple questions, PK means nothing, and the Darkness wins. 
-Why not just be Creator: Do you want to disappoint/anger God?"
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