144474-poll-will-you-continue-to-play-wildstar

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			I don't do polls. I'll probably here until they shut the lights off though.	
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I created this poll influenced from this thread
 
 
http://strawpoll.me/5786134
 
 
Please feel free to leave feedback.
			
				
	Edited October 20, 2015 by Rockefella	
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WS Is the best MMO I have tryed F2P since a long, long time. Lot of things to do and posibility to get currency just playing, so I think is great.
 
PROS: Housing, costumes, PvP, Raids? (didn´t try them yet), tradeskills...
 
CONS: End game content seems very Guild/team related (at least what I have seen at the forum, not sure) and some BUGs and Server problems.	
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			I'm up in the air as to whether or not I want to continue playing. I have no friends that play this game, and let's face it, beating your face against your keyboard during a veteran dungeon and dying is so much more entertaining with friends. 	
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I don't do polls. I'll probably here until they shut the lights off though.
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Yes.
 
I'm not playing more because of obligations in other games.
 
My "issues" with the game are things that will be fixed in time (bugs, optimization etc).
 
The core of the game, it's style, gameplay, and difficulty are all spot on for me, and I can deal with the other issues since the pros are more powerful than the cons for me.	
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Well once this is the only MMORPG I could really get into, so I refer to Lemurian's post
 
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 I'll probably here until they shut the lights off 
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I voted yes because im still having alot of fun and although they are having some issue's im not one to jump ship at the first sign of trouble. The biggest problem for me is lag and there is already a red post about it stating that they are working on it and nearing getting something in place.  If 2 months down the line its still having terrible lag issue's I may rethink my position but for now im happy with the game.
 
I am having fun leveling my characters and my biggest disappointment is going to be when I hit max level and not being able to hear the level up announcer as it gives me a laugh each time I level up.....kind of reminds me of the guy in the Arby's adverts.	
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Til the power's shut off and they drag me away by the tail, kicking and screaming.
 
Seriously though...this is the most fun I've had gaming in years and years.	
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			Yes because, damn have you seen some of the house designs in the game? Fantruckingtastic.	
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If you're looking for correct data, posting on the Wildstar forum is a very very poor way of doing it.
 
Most people are fans of the game so obviously the poll has "Yes" in favour....keep in mind....most people who downloaded the game the 28th September are already gone and those still playing by far never go to the forums to chat and interact at all.
 
So this poll is completely void.	
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I can't speak on what i plan to do in the future but as for right now, I say yes.  I am however getting a little burned on some of the changes made when it went F2P and I'm kind of looking at cancelling my reoccuring charges for signature status for now.  I love the game and I love the company as they have been nothing but awesome people but I feel like this game went the wrong way with their F2P change and should have looked into Rift's F2P a little more before the changeover.  With the massive increase to dye costs, the changes to the cost for the efficient use of runes and the constant maintenances needed to be done during the times that I'm able to play and the massive lag that all of my peers suffer during other times, I feel like it is possible that I may slowly drift away from the game.  I have already taken time from the game to play single player games just so I can avoid getting invested into something and then having to log out due to maintenance. I love the core game, the gameplay and the fun that I've had when I was able to play, but lately I have had less enjoyment from playing than I had when it wasn't F2P.  I'm not anti-F2P but I feel that the direction they went was a good start but then ended up falling off the tracks at some point.
 
 
 
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most people who downloaded the game the 28th September are already gone and those still playing by far never go to the forums to chat and interact at all.
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			Wildstar is the best mmo I played since Everquest and Everquest 2. And I played most of them. I aint going nowhere.	
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			Honestly I am not sure, I may drop a sub or two but ill probably move on to eso once I buy it for me and my wife. While the game is fantastic in many ways the crafting and shop are very questionable and really scares me away, while eso seems to have all the elements in one, like crafting, exploration, combat, rpg depth, more about the journey kind of mmo. Maybe carbine will improve crafting and such in the future, but as of right now its just to bad because in everything else the game is outstanding.	
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Access to that housing? Oh yes.
 
At the same time... I am very irritated about several things and I have no wish to support/contribute in any meaningful way. So I'll just be some login statistics.	
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			Did a 12 month sub. If I am still logging in and playing regularly at the end of that, I'm sure I will be around for awhile.	
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			 I will stick with the game until they release the sequel... than ill play that..  (yeah I went there.. hey one can dream can't they) :D	
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I don't see the slightest reason to stop playing, once Carbine takes care of all the broken stuff they will begin pumping out content which will make this game truly shine.
So far they are doing great, theres hoping that they will continue doing great.	
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Where are you getting your statistics from?  These very forums you said aren't a reliable place to get poll information?
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I'll be around
It might be hard to tell from my posts sometimes but I love the hell out of this game	
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It's a common thing for MMO's.
 
When a game is fresh and new people join, a huge chunk of them leave after a couple of weeks. It happens in every MMO.
 
MMO's rely just as much on turnover and they do on retention. As long as people coming in at least balances out the people that leave, things will be golden. The problem Wildstar had last year is the intake was so minute it didn't even come close to the amount of people that left.
 
On Topic....
 
No, at least not full time.
 
I'm a modder and Fallout 4 is out at the beginning of next month and, going by past experiences with Fallout and Elder Scrolls games, that will take up the next year or two of my spare time depending on how creative the engine lets me get. Hopefully it won't be as rough as Fallout 3 was to mod for, that caused me some sleepless nights.
 
Some people use games like that to take a break from their MMO. I use an MMO to take a break from that. This was my off month between finishing Witcher 3 and waiting for Fallout. I haven't sunk decent time into an MMO since DAoC. I did sink about a year into FFXIV which burnt me out, I just don't have the patience for them anymore and I got seriously burnt out on dungeons and raiding in FFXIV that there is no chance of me doing them again in any MMO. I'm literally just here to potter around and dabble with the housing, which is the best housing out of any MMO bar none. 
 
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the game. This isn't me slamming it, this is just one of those "it's me, not you" things. Modding is my thing and I get a brand new canvas to start over on, MMO's are a secondary for me, have been for a long time. 
 
I'll still play it but it will only be as and when. My wife is sticking around but she's more of an MMO player anyway.
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ill be on and off
 
I like trying new stuff but ill come back for updates D	
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			Honestly, I'm not sure yet. Right now I'm splitting time between Wildstar and KoTFE early access in SWTOR. I'll decide in about a week what I'm going to be doing as far as my MMO gaming. My play time is limited, so it's going to be one or the other, not both, once I decide.	
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with Heart of Thorns being released this weekend I'm probably going to be spending a lot of time playing that. Plus I just updated RIFT and jumped in last night and was having a good amount of fun.
Let's be honest when LEGION comes out I'll be taking a month off work.	
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Sorry.  I was kind of just making a point since the guy was saying polls on the forums are completely void because of the information being gathered from the forums.  I'm well aware that a lot of people come to MMOs and then many leave, but when he stated that most people that came in on the 28th left already, I was going off the fact his statement is based on statistical data since "most" usually refers to more than half.
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Polls / surveys:
 
Are not meant or designed to ever capture a full population (e.g. ALL wildstar players). They are by mathematical deffinition designed to asses a sample of the population to draw inferences about the population itself.
 
There are mathematical assumptions that underlie polls / surveys, of them the most important are what you're examining adheres to:
 
1) Gaussian Model 
 
2) Stationary process
 
3) no autocorrelation
 
Most people tend to confuse the first assumption and will claim that a poll / survey is not valid because of biases in the sample's probability density function(PDF) (e.g. that the sample is not random; for instance the idea that because certain "types" of players use the forums it would display a different PDF than Gaussian) 
 
This is, however, actually not a valid criticism of polls / sampling. For sufficiently large samples of ANY PDF, their aggregate distribution will always approach Gaussian (this is known as the Central Value Theorem, one of the fundamental bases of mathematical statistics). What would be a valid criticism would be that the sample size is too low to adequately approach a Gaussian PDF.
 
The REAL issues with polls and surveys like this however is that the assumption of stationarity (the PDF of your population isn't changing through time) and the assumption of no autocorrelation (individual population members behave independently and are not influenced by eachother) are normally INVALID in these types of polls / survey schemes. In order to account for this one could simply shift the assumed PDF to account for autocorrelation. For example in Geophysical time series analysis, we normally assume our data is "red" using an AR-1 model rather than Gaussian to account for the known autocorrelation in dynamic processes. This can also be assessed based on the true degrees of freedom in your data (many people who don't understand degrees of freedom assume your sample size is essentially your degrees of freedom; this isn't the case and is a lazy approximation that's invalid more often then not).  Non-stationariness is more difficult to deal with, and requires some fancy differential / partial differential models to account for, so usually we will use portions of population data that we can justify are reasonably stationary or use some nifty maths to normalize non-stationariness in our data.
 
TLDR: polls like this are fine IF you appropriately treat the data and have a large enough sample size :3
			
				
	Edited October 21, 2015 by Nazryn	
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Since it's F2P I'll probably come and go. But I don't really see the point if saying you will or won't play. It's not some kind of final decision that you can never go back on.	
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Allow me to update my previous answer on this page. After having spent the day in the new SWTOR expansion and seen all the changes and how the "new story" is being handled, I've cancelled the subscription and just uninstalled the game. I'm not going into details as this forum is for Wildstar, not that game, but after 3 years with BioWare (I was gone and unsubbed for a year due to not playing any MMOs), I've left.
 
So, to update my answer: Yeah, I can see myself being here for a while. I still won't spend a dime in the cash shop until Carbine gets realistic on their pricing and single character unlock system, but I'll be playing at least.	
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Sorry.  I was kind of just making a point since the guy was saying polls on the forums are completely void because of the information being gathered from the forums.  I'm well aware that a lot of people come to MMOs and then many leave, but when he stated that most people that came in on the 28th left already, I was going off the fact his statement is based on statistical data since "most" usually refers to more than half.
 
To your statement about modding and going a little off topic here, I don't believe Fallout 4 was going to have a toolset like Fallout 3 did.  I'm interested to see how the modding is for that game as well because I've always wanted to get into it but I started playing the games late since I didn't have a computer powerful enough to do it for years, so I'm interested to get into it and try my hand at it.
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			I'm not sure. So far so good, but my characters are only level 10. We will see as I climb the ranks.	
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			Absolutely I'll keep playing.  Believe it or not, the issues the carbine team here are pretty minor compared to some of the issues I've experienced in other mmo's.  2 Weeks downtime in one stretch in EQ2, 48 hours on a decently regular basis in WoW, Countless lag and connection issues in Vanguard, Played Rift at the beginning and it was fine as far as issues went, it was just boring.  Didn't get better til the game was about three years old.  Just my opinion.  Great game now, but this one is better for me.  Love the fact that its not your standard dragon slayer rpg  and I can handle a bit of lag and queues.  Its just not that big a problem to me when I consider the mess I've had in others.  GW2 launches for events were notoriously bad in the beginning.  I know this game's a year old (just over a year) but its still young if you count it among the others out there.  Just my two cents.	
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			Yeah, WoW is dead to me, and I have no interest in any of the others. I think a lot of people will stick around if Carbine puts out content to keep them interested.	
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Yeah, WoW is dead to me, and I have no interest in any of the others. I think a lot of people will stick around if Carbine puts out content to keep them interested.
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Polls / surveys:
 
Are not meant or designed to ever capture a full population (e.g. ALL wildstar players). They are by mathematical deffinition designed to asses a sample of the population to draw inferences about the population itself.
 
There are mathematical assumptions that underlie polls / surveys, of them the most important are what you're examining adheres to:
 
1) Gaussian Model 
 
2) Stationary process
 
3) no autocorrelation
 
Most people tend to confuse the first assumption and will claim that a poll / survey is not valid because of biases in the sample's probability density function(PDF) (e.g. that the sample is not random; for instance the idea that because certain "types" of players use the forums it would display a different PDF than Gaussian) 
 
This is, however, actually not a valid criticism of polls / sampling. For sufficiently large samples of ANY PDF, their aggregate distribution will always approach Gaussian (this is known as the Central Value Theorem, one of the fundamental bases of mathematical statistics). What would be a valid criticism would be that the sample size is too low to adequately approach a Gaussian PDF.
 
The REAL issues with polls and surveys like this however is that the assumption of stationarity (the PDF of your population isn't changing through time) and the assumption of no autocorrelation (individual population members behave independently and are not influenced by eachother) are normally INVALID in these types of polls / survey schemes. In order to account for this one could simply shift the assumed PDF to account for autocorrelation. For example in Geophysical time series analysis, we normally assume our data is "red" using an AR-1 model rather than Gaussian to account for the known autocorrelation in dynamic processes. This can also be assessed based on the true degrees of freedom in your data (many people who don't understand degrees of freedom assume your sample size is essentially your degrees of freedom; this isn't the case and is a lazy approximation that's invalid more often then not).  Non-stationariness is more difficult to deal with, and requires some fancy differential / partial differential models to account for, so usually we will use portions of population data that we can justify are reasonably stationary or use some nifty maths to normalize non-stationariness in our data.
 
TLDR: polls like this are fine IF you appropriately treat the data and have a large enough sample size :3
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On of off.
Started 3 days after release. Took a break a month after. Did come back for a month, took again a break (although I was still paying my sub).
Now with f2p I log in daily, get my login reward, do a few dailies. It's a nice game, but my main mmo is still WoW... you can now throw rocks at me. ;)
Plus Heart of Thorns will be released this friday. So yeah... my reaper is waiting. :D
Aaand I still haven't visited the Planetouched Wilds in Rift. ._.
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On of off.
Started 3 days after release. Took a break a month after. Did come back for a month, took again a break (although I was still paying my sub).
Now with f2p I log in daily, get my login reward, do a few dailies. It's a nice game, but my main mmo is still WoW... you can now throw rocks at me. ;)
Plus Heart of Thorns will be released this friday. So yeah... my reaper is waiting. :D
Aaand I still haven't visited the Planetouched Wilds in Rift. ._.	
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			Sure whatever	
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Carbine made a world where I can be a happy tree hugger and really violent at the same time!
 
Hell yeah I'm staying!	
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Now that the game even gets an graphical update and same important Changes are done i surely will stay.
 
The 1st"free" to play model of Wildstar just sucked. Like the former support.
Now it is miles better.	
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Honestly I am not sure, I may drop a sub or two but ill probably move on to eso once I buy it for me and my wife. While the game is fantastic in many ways the crafting and shop are very questionable and really scares me away, while eso seems to have all the elements in one, like crafting, exploration, combat, rpg depth, more about the journey kind of mmo. Maybe carbine will improve crafting and such in the future, but as of right now its just to bad because in everything else the game is outstanding.
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Ok. Shut up,
 
If you walk in to The Blue Oyster Bar and ask if theyd prefer to make love to a man or a woman what do you think the answer will be?
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I will probably stick around. There are so many things this game does right in my eyes, and yet again so many things that make me wonder "did they actually play it before they released it?". 
 
Some of those "issues" will be dealt with, others will become worse. But where I stand now, I'm ready to give this game as many chances as I can. At the end of the day, if they decide to sink it, I will let it sink on its own and move on.	
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Combat system is to good to go anywhere else.
 
Now if another game had it and more features we might talk, but right now Wildstar is the place for me.	
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With the addition of so much, I'll be around for a while.
 
And as long as season 2 doesn't bomb too hard, I'll be around.	
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Dear god man, how can you even play so many mmos ?
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Theres a lot of things that could factor into the poll being skewed.
 
1) not every player visits the forums
2) conducting the poll 3 weeks after f2p launch when it should have been done on launch day or a few days prior
3) official forums tend to be pretty biased...#1 contributes to this a little bit.
4) non-english speakers...was this poll posted in the Dutch subforum? the French subforum? all others? mmo-champion?
 
You want a good poll? then it should be done through the launcher which every player has to go through before going into the game.  And like i said it should have been done on the correct dates.  How many people did this poll miss because they had already left in the last 2-3 weeks leading up to today?  You could go on about "wildstarnewbie you dunt hav the proof" on 1-3, but its pretty easy to prove #4 but i'm not even going to bother cause i'm feeling lazy...and i doubt that was even taken into consideration by the OP.
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			I see nothing in the MMO landscape in the near future that even remotely interests me. When it was released I was enthused by ESO's graphics and the whole Elder Scrolls lore and timeline. The time for WildStar is now. I feel like "the next big thing" predicitons that were thrown around during development by reviewers are finally coming to fruition. Mark it as a 'yes' for me, I plan to keep playing for a long while.
			
				
	Edited October 21, 2015 by Treachery	
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It depends, they have a short window left to keep me interested. Nothing feels fixed from the first time I left the game, so I can't imagine staying for something I already left behind before.
 
I know "short window" might sound harsh, but consider that that "short window" is about bugs/issues that have been in the game since beta, so it's had a long window to be fixed, but hasn't.	
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Even if i wanted to continue with wildstar i dont think i will be able to.
 
The game pre lvl 50 already seems dead,
 
-que'ing into pve instances takes hours
-pvp is always the same group of ppl (+bots now)
-the open world on my server (NA 2nd pvp server) is empty, the only places i ever see ppl now are in the main city [dominion side]. Even if i try to hunt exiles on their maps i cant find anyone  -_-
 
 
If i was asked whether or not i'd continue to play wildstar a couple weeks ago, i'd say yes. I can put up with the games issue's for a while, and if they seem to be getting resolved, continue on with the game. 
 
However once the game starts to feel like a ghost town, like it does now, i lose most my interest in the game. I plan to hit lvl 50 to see if anything changes but i know that if i hit lvl 50 and the in game community continues to feel empty, i'll be moving on.	
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Probably yes. The question is will I stay subbed: so far the answer is "yes, but I'm not going to go easy on glaring issues." As long as there's a clear effort towards development progress, I don't care if it's slow. It takes time to ramp up as cash flow improves. For critical issues, I'm more concerned with response time. New content and features don't matter as much if there are blockers to basic gameplay.
 
Everything looks promising, but I have to admit: I'm a little jaded and/or suspicious. The last few years have not been overwhelmingly awesome for gamers. A few big names have been pretty disappointing. Some anticipated titles and IPs have gone off the deep end. It's had the unfortunate effect of making me a little quicker to judge than I would have been a few years ago. I'm aware of that, and I can try to temper it, but my time is limited. Years ago cash might've been the barrier; nowadays, I'm happy to spend the cash if I don't feel like I'm wasting my time.
 	
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Probably yes. The question is will I stay subbed: so far the answer is "yes, but I'm not going to go easy on glaring issues." As long as there's a clear effort towards development progress, I don't care if it's slow. It takes time to ramp up as cash flow improves. For critical issues, I'm more concerned with response time. New content and features don't matter as much if there are blockers to basic gameplay.
 
Everything looks promising, but I have to admit: I'm a little jaded and/or suspicious. The last few years have not been overwhelmingly awesome for gamers. A few big names have been pretty disappointing. Some anticipated titles and IPs have gone off the deep end. It's had the unfortunate effect of making me a little quicker to judge than I would have been a few years ago. I'm aware of that, and I can try to temper it, but my time is limited. Years ago cash might've been the barrier; nowadays, I'm happy to spend the cash if I don't feel like I'm wasting my time.
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			Nope. While combat has improved slightly compared to CBx through launch (due to no more skills that root you in place), the game and landscape is still far too "cluttered and clunky". 	
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Took some snips here.
 
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 Fallout 4 is out at the beginning of next month and, going by past experiences with Fallout , that will take up my spare time 
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Polls / surveys:
 
Are not meant or designed to ever capture a full population (e.g. ALL wildstar players). They are by mathematical deffinition designed to asses a sample of the population to draw inferences about the population itself.
 
There are mathematical assumptions that underlie polls / surveys, of them the most important are what you're examining adheres to:
 
1) Gaussian Model 
 
2) Stationary process
 
3) no autocorrelation
 
Most people tend to confuse the first assumption and will claim that a poll / survey is not valid because of biases in the sample's probability density function(PDF) (e.g. that the sample is not random; for instance the idea that because certain "types" of players use the forums it would display a different PDF than Gaussian) 
 
This is, however, actually not a valid criticism of polls / sampling. For sufficiently large samples of ANY PDF, their aggregate distribution will always approach Gaussian (this is known as the Central Value Theorem, one of the fundamental bases of mathematical statistics). What would be a valid criticism would be that the sample size is too low to adequately approach a Gaussian PDF.
 
The REAL issues with polls and surveys like this however is that the assumption of stationarity (the PDF of your population isn't changing through time) and the assumption of no autocorrelation (individual population members behave independently and are not influenced by eachother) are normally INVALID in these types of polls / survey schemes. In order to account for this one could simply shift the assumed PDF to account for autocorrelation. For example in Geophysical time series analysis, we normally assume our data is "red" using an AR-1 model rather than Gaussian to account for the known autocorrelation in dynamic processes. This can also be assessed based on the true degrees of freedom in your data (many people who don't understand degrees of freedom assume your sample size is essentially your degrees of freedom; this isn't the case and is a lazy approximation that's invalid more often then not).  Non-stationariness is more difficult to deal with, and requires some fancy differential / partial differential models to account for, so usually we will use portions of population data that we can justify are reasonably stationary or use some nifty maths to normalize non-stationariness in our data.
 
TLDR: polls like this are fine IF you appropriately treat the data and have a large enough sample size :3
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p2p launch was significantly  bigger than f2p.  However the game hit a few road blocks which resulted in the population migrating to other games.  However quite a few of those players hve came back. ANd the game is in much better shape.   Once they merge the severs again it will help populate the world.
 
I just hope end game and levelling alts  isn't to expensive.  As that will be the deal breaker for many players.  As for me I hven't gotten there yet,  however I would like to stick around.   	
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			Since its free, I dont see myself stopping permanently - however my sub is already cancelled and I'm not positive that I will continue to log in daily anymore.	
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I will, housing itself is much fun. I like the pvp as well, and if there is a new battleground incoming it will be fun.
I also got snarfellynx mount, can't abandon that one =)	
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			day to day decision. for now: yes. i dont plan a game into my life.	
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			Yeah, having a lot of fun right now.	
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			I strongly dislike this kind of negativity generating threads (regardless the game).
			
				
	Edited October 22, 2015 by Next	
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I like the results :)
 
The game's gonna be even better once the "This is too hard so I rage" noobs pack up and leave	
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I like the results :)
 
The game's gonna be even better once the "This is too hard so I rage" noobs pack up and leave
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