124974-zero-to-fiftyomg-what-a-mess

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Zero to fifty...OMG what a mess! It was 100% unprofessional from start to finish, I'm starting to think the show is doing Wildstar more harm than good.
 
Tony is a fun entertainer, the current format does not suit his style and clearly puts him under pressure! Carbine would be better altering the show to let his comical talent shine.
 
…..just my 2 cents  	
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mess as in haha or mess as in oh no?
 
I'll have to watch it later(they show during work hours so....ya...)	
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			Well, I was entertained!	
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zero to fifty is just not a good show (at least i am not interested in it) basically... i am not even interested in seeing the new adventure being played ? 
yup... thats exactly it. weird isn't it ?
 
dunno why really. but this mmo have a hard type generating hype since Frost left (for all the bad things he did and the bad decisions he made, he still was a hype generating machine).
Tony's a good guy.
but thats not what you need for these shows, you need a pro at the game. somebody who played every class and knows it all; pvp/raid etc etc. Somebody who can talk about it in depth and technical terms, not somebody who's wondering what key to press...
Tony is just a casual, which is cool, but casuals don't watch Tony (inb4 the few forum residents tell me i am not right and that they love the show).
these shows are being watched by the more involved crowd, they want technicalities and specificities.
 
just my opinion.
the only good show Tony did was the one that he visited all those houses. that was great.	
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			Didn't watch it, but I agree, the "casual" and entertaining nature of 0-50 doesn't lend itself to showcase a new adventure.	
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			They should bring me on there to show them how to play	
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Didn't watch it, but I agree, the "casual" and entertaining nature of 0-50 doesn't lend itself to showcase a new adventure.
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They should bring me on there to show them how to play
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They should bring me on there to show them how to play
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tony doesn't like the game in the same ways the super fans do.
and it shows.
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I'd be completely for that show!  Someone dragging Tony through the show.  Having guests show up to actually demonstrate how to play would be useful so we could have an expert actually teaching a newb.
 
And Tony will be a noob for a loooooooong time.
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			Seriously, either get someone who knows how to properly play the game or lock Tony in a room for weeks until he gets good at the game. This stream was embarrassing.	
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The only thing that really bothers me is the fact he also " plays "in his " free " time.  ( and honestly i'm pretty sure he doesn't )
the show is called zero to 50, so stream every bit of it, be honest with your crowd, everyone knows sometimes the game has boring parts, but then it's up to tony to make good of his talent to entertain.
 
Not next stream i'l be X amount higher. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of the show no?	
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I kind of zoomed through the stream to see what was going on.
 
Then I saw the grossness of that LAS setup and I knew. I just knew.	
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It just seems like a giant waste of time to promote a livestream where the host doesn't even pretend to know how to play the game.
 
It took 20 minutes for him to even unlock the skills on his bar and fill them up.  Is that not something that can take 5 minutes before stream to set up?
All that, and then we didn't even really get to see the Bay of Betrayal for what it was?  It was just Tony running around and dying?
 
These types of things--- they deter people from the game.  Why would anyone want to watch it, and how does it bring more people into this game?  Is the target audience other people who bumble through the game, incapable of purchasing skills, grouping up, understanding basic technology, and using the 8 buttons on their LAS?
 
Other than the showcase of the art at the end--- the livestream really does just confirm what we've all been suspecting, and that's that the Community Team, nor Carbine, really put a lot of effort into the community.  People wonder why PvPers act the way they do, and then they watch a livestream where the supposed, "Bay of Betrayal" playtest, involved nothing more than jumping around and dying.  It all feels so unprofessional.
 
What's the harm in doing 1 livestream that promotes the game, instead of detracting from it?  I know this all seems very negative--- but come on, things haven't changed for weeks?  How are people supposed to want to buy and play a game where the guy running the livestream can't be bothered to play it, either?	
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It just seems like a giant waste of time to promote a livestream where the host doesn't even pretend to know how to play the game.
 
It took 20 minutes for him to even unlock the skills on his bar and fill them up.  Is that not something that can take 5 minutes before stream to set up?
All that, and then we didn't even really get to see the Bay of Betrayal for what it was?  It was just Tony running around and dying?
 
These types of things--- they deter people from the game.  Why would anyone want to watch it, and how does it bring more people into this game?  Is the target audience other people who bumble through the game, incapable of purchasing skills, grouping up, understanding basic technology, and using the 8 buttons on their LAS?
 
Other than the showcase of the art at the end--- the livestream really does just confirm what we've all been suspecting, and that's that the Community Team, nor Carbine, really put a lot of effort into the community.  People wonder why PvPers act the way they do, and then they watch a livestream where the supposed, "Bay of Betrayal" playtest, involved nothing more than jumping around and dying.  It all feels so unprofessional.
 
What's the harm in doing 1 livestream that promotes the game, instead of detracting from it?  I know this all seems very negative--- but come on, things haven't changed for weeks?  How are people supposed to want to buy and play a game where the guy running the livestream can't be bothered to play it, either?
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I stopped watching these streams months ago, shortly after Frost left. Mostly because when Frost left the streams stopped being informative and just became a big Tony-show where the focus wasn't really on the game itself anymore. Instead the show is about a guy who doesn't know how to play the game, blundering about letting others kill everything for him while he makes some bad jokes. I'm sure that can be fun, but is that really the best way to use these streams and market the game?
 
Now sometimes I tune in for a stream when there's an interesting guest who actually knows something about the game and who can actually answer some questions (Timetravel mostly), or when they highlight new content. And that's exactly why today's stream was so terrible. If you advertise that you're going to show the new adventure, do actually show that new adventure. The only thing we got to see was how to unlock certain skills, set up your LAS and how to die at the very start of the adventure. What kind of nonsense is that? Is this a slapstick show or a show to highlight and market your struggling MMO?
 
The European CM's tried to actually show some useful stuff, and they seemed to at least know some things about the game, but the focus of the stream was once again completely on Tony's inability to play the game he needs to show off which made every effort by those guests completely useless.
 
Carbine needs to make a choice when it comes to these streams. Do you want to keep it like this and just have it be some sort of slapstick stream where Tony shows everyone he can't play the game? Or do you actually want this to be a stream which could get people interested in trying out the game and where people can get some actual information about upcoming content and the state of the game (you know, like it sort of was when Frost was still around)?
 
If Carbine chooses the first, then stop saying nonsense that you're going to show off a new adventure or whatever because that is clearly not what you guys were doing. If Carbine chooses the second option then hire someone competent to do the streams or force Tony to actually learn the game and stop blundering about and start taking your audience seriously.	
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Zero to fifty...OMG what a mess! It was 100% unprofessional from start to finish, I'm starting to think the show is doing Wildstar more harm than good.
 
Tony is a fun entertainer, the current format does not suit his style and clearly puts him under pressure! Carbine would be better altering the show to let his comical talent shine.
 
…..just my 2 cents  
 
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Blows my mind that the guy who is supposed to promote game play can't actually play the game. Like seriously, what company do you work for??
 
Holy shit a salesman would be taken off the rounds in seconds if he didn't know how the product he's supposed to sell actually works. Not saying fire the guy or anything, my Internet tough guy skills are not that strong. But come on.	
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Hey folks,
 
Please keep the personal insults out of it. Voicing your opinion on the stream is great, but there's no need to get rude. 
 
- Team WildStar 	
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ITT: Back seat gamer rage.
 
I suffer back-seat gamer rage so much.  Watching people play badly causes physical pain and emotional scarring.
 
Just imagine that Tony is your kid brother. Or your mom. You have to let them play or else you'll get grounded for a week and then no one can play. Daddy doesn't care who starts the fight...
 
 
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Sorry flash back.	
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			Some of you guy's really need to lighten up and not be so obnoxious. This whole zero to fifty trip is just a bit of fun and intended to show of a few aspects of the game without getting overly serious. Everyone knows Tony is a terrible player, even the other community folks where saying as much. The thing is when there's news to report, they report it. They also bring guests like Timetravel, Donatelli etc on when they need to get a bit more serious about stuff. There's plenty playthrough videos out there to watch if required, so no shortage of info. This might be an official show but that doesn't mean it has to be all pro gamer like to be interesting. I'll admit Today's show was a bit of a disaster but I still enjoyed it somehow. I think it was down to Tony's frustration and embarrassment more than anything, I thought it was pretty funny to be honest.	
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We all know Tony isn't a player but he is AWESOME!
 
Maybe he can host the show while someone else (co Host Plays)
 
I love tony I'm good either way.	
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it was unprofessional- lack of information & interest by caster-and no sense of direction= this show should just end.
 
was pretty embarrased by it.	
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The thing is, this is the only PR from Carbine that shows the gameplay.  If there was something else we could use to promote on other sites, I would have absolutely no problem, as this is a bit of fun.  Look at it from a potential new player's perspective, is this what you would want on the front foot?  "Here's our AWESOME combat!  Hit one button and get carried!"  That's the only problem I have.
 
I also have no problem with Tony being a noob and not doing any rotation that makes sense, that doesn't come overnight.  But just a couple basics on what does the most damage, very basic resource management, and using interrupts.  Just simple things like that would make a WORLD of difference to the watchability of the gameplay on the 0-50 stream.	
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If I recall correctly, wasn't the whole point of Zero-To-Fifty to show that the game wasn't really super-uber-epic-hardcore and even someone without much gaming skill could get to endgame?
Isn't that why they called it "Zero-To-Fifty"?
So doesn't that make everyone insisting that he go practice and learn some rotations and L2P sort of ironic?
 
I think it's sort of ironic.	
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			tony cannot level as fast as me and i know more about classes than he does. this is why the stream is bad. if you want the stream to be a success you need to do a 24hr live stream power leveling to 50 in those 24 hrs with only the most elite pros. that is what brings in viewers ruthless power leveling and most definitely not a clam relaxed leisurely sight seeing stroll through the game. some of those zones look cool but are highly inefficient for leveling and should just be skipped for more speed imo.	
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			Just provide a link to Towelliee's stream. It'll get more viewers and he'll convince half the people watching to sub!	
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tony cannot level as fast as me and i know more about classes than he does. this is why the stream is bad. if you want the stream to be a success you need to do a 24hr live stream power leveling to 50 in those 24 hrs with only the most elite pros. that is what brings in viewers ruthless power leveling and most definitely not a clam relaxed leisurely sight seeing stroll through the game. some of those zones look cool but are highly inefficient for leveling and should just be skipped for more speed imo.
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If I recall correctly, wasn't the whole point of Zero-To-Fifty to show that the game wasn't really super-uber-epic-hardcore and even someone without much gaming skill could get to endgame?
Isn't that why they called it "Zero-To-Fifty"?
So doesn't that make everyone insisting that he go practice and learn some rotations and L2P sort of ironic?
 
I think it's sort of ironic.
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			Fairly certain I was about that bad when I played the original Diablo in the 90s... Sure, they didn't have livestreams back then but I probably could have handled this level of play. After all there were several abilities and potions, which means the LAS was a bit more complex than what they use on 0-50.	
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If I recall correctly, wasn't the whole point of Zero-To-Fifty to show that the game wasn't really super-uber-epic-hardcore and even someone without much gaming skill could get to endgame?
Isn't that why they called it "Zero-To-Fifty"?
So doesn't that make everyone insisting that he go practice and learn some rotations and L2P sort of ironic?
 
I think it's sort of ironic.
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			I gotta agree. I normally don't watch that zero to 50.. and i don't think i will again. It wasn't entertaining or informative. I mean running an adventure without a tank and no healer most of the time... yikes.	
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			Personally I have not watch the show much. Mainly because I have little time....(except at work, but I cant watch shows at work...I can only write on the forums). But the small parts I've seen I realy like. Tony has shitloads of carisma and I actually like that he is super casual. I think there are room for ppl within a gaming company that are realy bad players tbo. They need diversity like we do in all parts of society:). Diversity often = creativity . Not always..but often..and I would put my money onto that:)	
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			personally i think tony is a moron and i can't stand to watch him at all	
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     The thing that got me into this game were the original wildstar flicks and videos. Show what these look like in actual game play.  if one of the selling points of the game is action combat, actually illustrate that in the live stream.  Get 4 other people including tony and run an adventure of dungeon.  Look over peoples LAS's and let them explain why they use certain skills and not others.  Why they distibuted thier amp points the way they did.  As it is now you can get more information from any Wildstar live streamers on twitch than from the Zero to 50 stream. 
 
     I could see a stream with 3-5 people, in an adventure or shiphand.  maybe even have someone from the community in there. ( provided they aren't an idiot ot troll)  One can talk about the game mechanics and another can discuss some of the lore and setting.  You shift from one persons POV to another, each person shows off thier build and answers questions form the audience in chat.  Talk about what a tank and healer does and the need for communication and team work.  Let them get into the combat and show off the interupts and dodging.  Show off the challenge and fun of the game play.  As it is now all I see usually is tony running around and everything else dying before he gets a shot off.
     During luls in the action or at the end of a show you can talk about an 'Add-on of the week' or highlight a cool guild or something.  Toss in something that alot of people are asking about or might not know of.  Show a screen shot of some little visited place with a caption that just says 'Where in Nexus is this?'  Maybe the first person to tell where it is or gets a screen shot of a toon there wins something?
 
     This is more informative than the live stream:
 
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFT_767tYXs
 
     That is the standard they need to reach.  Keep Tony in the stream, but add to it with other people.  If you want to sell the product you'll have to put the work in to highlight what makes your game better than all the other ones out there.  Yes, it'll take more time to set up and run, but it would be so much more richer of an expierence, more people will want to live on Nexus, and the community and carbine will gain more from it. 	
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Do you honestly believe that?  Carbine's target audience is toward a bunch of people who only have time to play for 45 minutes a week, can't use more than 4 buttons, is constantly distracted?
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I'll try to keep my thoughts brief and civil. I don't believe '0 to 50' is a good promotional series.  
 
There are times when a goofy, down to earth livestream is healthy for the community. It humanizes the developers and allows for great community interaction.  However, when the content you are showing is more important than that interaction between players, '0-50' fails.  
 
I compare this week, to two weeks ago with TT co-piloting the stream.  Both were showing off new content, both were on the PTR.  In the prior, there was 5-10 minutes of Tony trying to be funny about his new character and a rowsdower before TT literally killed him...dragged his body through the instance and played the game with his carcass splayed on the raid-room floor. TT played the knowledgeable Dev and answered Tony's (along with our) questions about the instance.  Viewers got to see a casual player get excited about new content, viewers can relate = positive advertising. 
 
Today, there was 10-20 min of switching around, goofing off, and trying to be funny before the group pulled their first mob.  The people leading the stream seemed to have little knowledge of the instance they were running, and as a result the viewers left with little knowledge of what was going on.  As Tony said himself about what he learned about the instance, "There were towers that charge and monsters that kill you." The three co-pilots that rotated out through the stream seemed more interested in berating Tony, or commenting on the Class they were playing and the lack of knowledge there of.  Viewers see confusion leading the confused and leave with little to no knowledge about the new content, = Negative advertising.  
 
I may have gotten more colorful as I wrote these lines but the point is this. I was entertained by this stream, but only because of the train wreck it was.  I've noticed increasingly over the past few weeks that this stream is not a priority for Carbine and it shows.  Three of the last 5 streams were titled, 'Level Up' and offered little outside an announcement or two.  Audio issues permeate the streams, Late starts, No new promotional material in 6 months(Same title card, backgrounds, etc.), and the lack of a professional attitude leaves much to be desired. 
 
Introduce some variety into your streams...One day you might level, another housing, but not back to back to back...bring in another screen and do some PvP and switch between Tony and a veteran, set up 5 devs or community members to run an adventure/dungeon but not just through the stream; invite them in, voice chat, skype, something (basically, don't make your group members watch the stream and play the game). Bring back some forgotten team members.  Where's Pappy? Cougar? Donatelli ?
 
Its coming up on a year since release...It's time to step your game up Carbine/Tony. 
 
P.S. Re-watch the stream of May 23rd, 2014.  So much information, and gameplay, multiple viewpoints...now compare to this week. #two-hitTony	
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How about they just make a stream and they pick random people from the game and ask if they can tag along. That way you get a variety of playstyles and you can see what that person loves about the game, what he thinks is tedious etc. 
 
That way Tony has time to be funny. 
 
 
Last stream people where more interested in Olviar then the stream lol. #twerk4Olivar	
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IMHO I think there should be a show that is more invested in getting down and dirty with the community, promoting events, showing how awesome the players are on wildstar. I mean, it's awesome that Tony wants to level a character, but they couldn't have shown wildstar in a worse light tbh... I love tony, I think he's a funny guy! But showing it as a bumbling fool who can't play a game is not how you sell copies... Showing someone who plays and enjoys themselves as well as being average to well skilled is more interesting to watch :)
 
Have an EU account! We are so abandoned over here it's untrue.
 
None of our events hardly get spoken about, our houses (and there are so many amazing houses) don't get shown, people's art and competitions don't get promotions.
 
I would much rather see a show that is dedicated to our great community, and Tony exploring and doing things with them (such as the housing show), make an episode dedicated to pvp... show the people who duel and have tony join in (and fail miserably), make an episode dedicated to gold making or farming a certain resource (for example, areas where you can farm things for cooking), have an episode dedicated to crafting showing all the different cool things you can make and the basic process of them.
 
And involve the community as much as possible. You show your love for us and we'll help advertise the shit out of your game, because we luv eeet <3	
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Haven't watched it since they changed it.  Only watched the one with the new raid part in it then switched it off 5 mins after that finished.
 
Therefore I can't comment much on it as I haven't seen it but if it's giving out info to new players etc and not just Tony playing while being distracted every now and then then it's fine.
 
But if it's just like an hour of mucking about chatting garbage I don't see the benefit and it's probably actually having a negative impact.	
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			Yeah its not rocket surgery... just take a look at the WildStar videos with the most views on YouTube. Raid kills, silver/gold clears, and guides. People want to see somebody succeeding at the game, not failing miserably. And for real, how many hours does it take to learn this game? When you work at the place that makes the game?	
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Long time no post here on the forums. But I feel I need to give my two cents here.
 
Lord knows I think so highly of Tony. His comedic timing is great, his personality made me tune in to the show initially. But whoever thought it was a good idea to make him do difficult content had no idea what they were doing. Tony is not a skilled player and it's obvious it's not an act. My guild specializes in helping players like Tony, it's all about confidence building, not carrying. If you want a good show, bring him to the EU and have him run some stuff with us here in Venus Rising. 
 
Mind you, this is not a plug for my guild, I genuinely want to see Tony improve. Last night's stream was a mess. The echo lasted for too long from a professional company, the running around and screaming before they even addressed what the show was about just gave me a headache. I had to tune out after 10 minutes. 
 
Don't lose Tony from the show, but help him improve.	
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Tony, yes.
 
Tony's awful playing, no.
 
Guests with mad skills playing, yes.
 
Guests with mad skills and awful personalities, no.
 
Honestly, a few of these have been pretty good fun. I mean, it ain't gonna win any awards or nothing, but up until this week they haven't made my eyes bleed like the Frost-and-Scooter Era podcasts did. The old #Hardcore Bro-Fests make 0-to-50 look like Shakespeare. At least Tony and company look like they're having fun, even if they sometimes don't look like they know what they're doing. I'll take hours of that over ten minutes of fist-bumping, bro-lifting uber-leeting any day.
 
But yeah, maybe set up your LAS *before* the filming starts, amigo. :lol:	
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Seriously, if the stream needs changed, it's that Tony needs to be like a daytime TV host, following around people on the show who know what they're doing.  Have a guild form a premade to actually demonstrate how to run a dungeon (in fact, Tony could REALLY benefit from running Protostar Academy a few times.
 
Have Eclips on for a PVP day where Tony will be queueing for arenas.  Have Slyjeff explain SS builds.
 
Really, the biggest barrier is that the show happens while most of us are at work.  I couldn't get together a group of four and walk Tony through his first KV.	
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			I dont watch stream, never have, why watch people play a game, when I could play it? Any way, the ones I have seen with him, he is not a good player, but I personally do not like "community guests" or "community spotlights". Out of all the games I have played, including Wildstar, I have never liked the personality of the person that was in these two things.	
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			I enjoy the stream for what it is, but I do think that they should have had one of the team members that worked on the adventure walk them through... Either that or have a separate stream that's for just that... 0-50 is not the correct platform for a vet adventure, especially when Tony hasnt hit 50. Not meaning to dis on Tony or anything. The game has enough of a learning curve as it, but he got thrown into a hornet's nest.	
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I enjoy the stream for what it is, but I do think that they should have had one of the team members that worked on the adventure walk them through... Either that or have a separate stream that's for just that... 0-50 is not the correct platform for a vet adventure, especially when Tony hasnt hit 50. Not meaning to dis on Tony or anything. The game has enough of a learning curve as it, but he got thrown into a hornet's nest.
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You know I may be alone in this, but I think Tony's plenty good enough to handle whatever's coming.  He seems to have mastered getting out of the red instead of just firing on through, which seems to be the major hang up.  Having an experienced SS walk him through his abilities and gear would put in him in a decent place.
 
I think I could teach him through a dungeon, is what I'm saying here.  He hasn't learned what he hasn't had to learn, but I think a lot of people make him out to be completely hopeless.  He's not that bad.  He just needs to apprentice.
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You know I may be alone in this, but I think Tony's plenty good enough to handle whatever's coming. He seems to have mastered getting out of the red instead of just firing on through, which seems to be the major hang up. Having an experienced SS walk him through his abilities and gear would put in him in a decent place.
 
I think I could teach him through a dungeon, is what I'm saying here. He hasn't learned what he hasn't had to learn, but I think a lot of people make him out to be completely hopeless. He's not that bad. He just needs to apprentice.
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Well how long does that take though? Yes I'm being a bit of a broken record here. But this stream has been going on for a long time now. There are two options that I see here. Either Tony is just hamming it up because he thinks it's funny to play badly, in which case he's getting decidedly mixed reviews. OR he is literally only playing the game when the camera is on and to top it off he's not learning a single thing when he's playing.
 
The only adult I've ever met who simply could not learn a game was my mom back when we had Super Mario Brothers on the NES; she thought it was an achievement to make it to world 1-2. But even she got the hang of gaming when we bought her a DS some years down the line.
 
My point is that Tony seems willfully bad, which is annoying to many people including me. It shows no concern for the game he's being paid to promote.
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No, Tony just has to essentially be the first guy in the game. He doesn't learn because he doesn't have to. When he has been thrown into those situations (forced to solo a ship in Galeras), he did learn. He just doesn't often HAVE to learn. You could see him getting better in the last stream as it went on because he couldn't just stumble around.
 
Players like us, we're forced to learn or die. Tony's only learning what he has the opportunity to learn. Stay out of the red and learn to fire while you evade.
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So either he really is putting on an act or he really isn't playing any time but when he's on camera.
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tony cannot level as fast as me and i know more about classes than he does. this is why the stream is bad. if you want the stream to be a success you need to do a 24hr live stream power leveling to 50 in those 24 hrs with only the most elite pros. that is what brings in viewers ruthless power leveling and most definitely not a clam relaxed leisurely sight seeing stroll through the game. some of those zones look cool but are highly inefficient for leveling and should just be skipped for more speed imo.
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So either he really is putting on an act or he really isn't playing any time but when he's on camera.
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Aside from the strikethrough, that's me!  Don't knock it, yo.
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I think you're dismissing a third option: that Tony's had people that carry him even when he's off camera, but he hasn't learned to fend for himself yet. We know he spends time in game off camera since he does a lot in housing. And he's jumped levels between streams. I just don't think he has a lot of people around to say, "This is how you gear a Spellslinger. This is a good build. If you're not using a skill, don't have it on your bar." Et cetera.
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So you spend more time on the forums, than the actual game, noted.
 
 
Why are you making excuses for him like that? Tony is a functioning adult, most likely not learning disabled, and will get out of his play what he puts into it.
If the guy would take the 5 minutes off stream, maybe on his own time, to build his character's LAS: he might learn something about the abilities. The maybe we wouldn't be halfway through a bay of betrayal stream while the guy is buying the skills for his LAS.
 
Now, I don't mean to harp on the whole show--- but how hard is it, really. There are people on twitch who, by themselves, set up an entertaining stream, with few issues beyond setup, know how to work a green screen, working audio, are punctual, and don't freak out in front of a camera.
 
Wildstar and computers are not an alien concept for the host of this show. He works for an MMO dev studio. That should be a minimum requirement to have a job there, to have tried out the game you're trying to promote.
 
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That aside, the zero to fifty stream shouldn't be under the twitch.tv/wildstar stream. Maybe he can have his own stream, with people that don't really play this game, and maybe make a youtube video or two to appeal to the audience he's going after. In the mean time, maybe twitch.tv/Wildstar can pull in some of their devs or even QAs to promote a playtest, or something. I'm sure there is at least 1 person over at Carbine HQ that can speak clearly while also having a good knowledge of the game they work on (caster), while someone else plays.
 
I agree with the person who said that the livestreams / youtube videos sold him this game. We used to have hype videos of gameplay, future design, etc, that showcased things for the community. Instead, we're left with a stream that doesn't reach 200 concurrent viewers (#Wildstar), and youtube recaps that don't break 4000 views. Sure, some of that might be a population issue, but wouldn't the growing population spike see an increase in viewership / youtube watches? There's a reason why it is not.
 
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That is a terrible excuse. Flat out terrible. He's a grown man working for a MMO Developer. If he doesn't understand the mechanics of MMOs then they should not put him on their only official game stream.
 
Interruption, multiple ability use, movement while casting are not new concepts in MMOs. For the MAIN public official face of game play to act that way is embarrassing for the company. Honestly any company that showcases their product makes sure the person showing it understands how to use it.	
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there is 0 excuse.
 
this is like a sports channel putting a commentator on TV that doesn't know the rule of the sport he comments on (and don't care about it either).
 
i mean.. its ok for 1 joke show, but a whole serie ?
they have to be kidding us. basically, its just not professional anymore.
 
Carbine needs a new leader in the house...and it MUST be an MMO FAN first.	
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			i think the show can go on, its for people that are starting to know the game and is informative about that, thats their target public people who just know recently about the existence of wildstar.on other topic i would love once an official show about TT raiding in DS and talking about tactics, workgroup in a raid and improving dps (that man knows his game and is the top edge)	
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there is 0 excuse.
 
this is like a sports channel putting a commentator on TV that doesn't know the rule of the sport he comments on (and don't care about it either).
 
i mean.. its ok for 1 joke show, but a whole serie ?
they have to be kidding us. basically, its just not professional anymore.
 
Carbine needs a new leader in the house...and it MUST be an MMO FAN first.
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Vic do you even watch the stream man?  
 
You're over analyzing what can simply be attributed as apathy.  The guy doesn't care about his character, he doesn't care to improve, and he's been doing the same thing for weeks. 
 
Want to know what I do when I realize I'm bad or don't know something?  I practice or ask someone.  It didn't take me 6+ weeks to learn how to press buttons on my character for 1 big reason :  I gave a shit	
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i think the show can go on, its for people that are starting to know the game and is informative about that, thats their target public people who just know recently about the existence of wildstar.
 
on other topic i would love once an official show about TT raiding in DS and talking about tactics, workgroup in a raid and improving dps (that man knows his game and is the top edge)
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I can't watch it anymore either. At 25, you should have at least a passing knowledge of what you're doing, and you should be using more than 2 buttons. It took him, what, a month to realize charged shot needed to be charged?!
 
He's halfway through Zero to Fifty, he should be able to jump into a shiphand SOLO and actually complete it. He doesn't need to do it on gold, but he should be competent enough to be able to know how to avoid massive pulls and how to manage IA on a named. He should be embarassed that he can barely manage to stay out of the red, let alone actually contribute to a group at 25.	
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in Tony's case, you can literally see why. It's right there in front of you. He's never had to learn. If he was repeatedly dying through the whole stream, he'd learn. Normally, he runs around with a troupe of people including a few level 50s. 
Not only has he not learned essential skills he'd have learned if the danger had been present, but he's also learned bad habits. But he's not an idiot or an amateur. He's just "WoW-good", he's never been forced to be really "Wildstar-good."
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I LOVE YOU TONY!
 
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You're acting as though Tony is some little kid who needs to be punished every time he pisses in his pants instead of the toilet. Tony is not a little child, he's a grown man who gets paid by Carbine to showcase their game. I don't know, but I find it baffling that he doesn't know the smallest thing about the game he needs to promote. Stuff like setting up a LAS is not something that you need to be "forced to learn", it's something so easy and essential that the fact that Tony doesn't know how to do it, even thought it's his job, is totally embarrassing.
 
I'm sure Tony is a totally stand up guy, but he's not a gamer and it seems to me he's not interested to be one either. Otherwise he would have spend at least a little bit of time trying to learn basic stuff about the game of the company you've been working for this past year. Tony is a presenter and an entertainer, which is fine if he has a co-host who can actually play the game and gets most of the focus, but that is not what is happening in these streams. I'm sure the 0-50 stream is fun for some people, but it doesn't bring in new customers and if you want to show off new content (like the adventure) then having Tony doing the playing is just a liability that is actively hurting the stream and the game itself.
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This is a game for PC gamers, not a game for babies.
 
The whole idea of MMORPG is progression.  That's not happening on the stream.  He's much better off streaming minecraft or something, where useless information, pseudo-funny quips, and trying to run a stream without ever involving the game you're playing is totally viable.	
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So you spend more time on the forums, than the actual game, noted.
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I get the luxury of being able to peruse the forums while waiting for data to compile at work, but at home I have responsibilities that preclude me from being at my keyboard for more than 10-20 minutes at a time.  On top of that I have two very rambunctious dogs who like to make messes, so in my free time I'm usually up and about and taking care of personal things instead of playing the game.
 
Were you trying to be sarcastic or scathing or something in that reply?  It sure seems like it given your post history with me.  Not everyone in this game can dedicate 100% of their free time to playing, and you being a dick to people who can't is a serious show of your character.
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No, I was just noting that your future comments weren't from the perspective of someone who actually plays the game.  I wasn't being mean at all.
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I get the luxury of being able to peruse the forums while waiting for data to compile at work, but at home I have responsibilities that preclude me from being at my keyboard for more than 10-20 minutes at a time.  On top of that I have two very rambunctious dogs who like to make messes, so in my free time I'm usually up and about and taking care of personal things instead of playing the game.
 
Were you trying to be sarcastic or scathing or something in that reply?  It sure seems like it given your post history with me.  Not everyone in this game can dedicate 100% of their free time to playing, and you being a dick to people who can't is a serious show of your character.
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I get the luxury of being able to peruse the forums while waiting for data to compile at work, but at home I have responsibilities that preclude me from being at my keyboard for more than 10-20 minutes at a time. On top of that I have two very rambunctious dogs who like to make messes, so in my free time I'm usually up and about and taking care of personal things instead of playing the game.
 
Were you trying to be sarcastic or scathing or something in that reply? It sure seems like it given your post history with me. Not everyone in this game can dedicate 100% of their free time to playing, and you being a dick to people who can't is a serious show of your character.
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Can you see how that bolded text might be construed as condescending, though?  I -do- play the game.  I just play it much less per day than most other people.  I have 2 50's, 3 maxed tradeskills, and one of each class on both factions.  Is this as much as a day-1 vet or someone with more time?  Hell no.  But most of my characters are 20+, so it's not as though I'm some Wildstar-illiterate noob.  I got into alpha working at ArenaNet and only joined in June because I couldn't afford the box purchase.
 
Seriously, man, you can't just discount people because you think you know how much or how intensely they play the game.  In the 45 minutes to an hour I get each night, interruptions or no interruptions, I go balls to the wall and quest and do dailies and craft and take in all of Nexus that I can.
 
Telling me that my comments are from a perspective of someone who doesn't play the game is petty at best.
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Okay so you're actually not the Zero to Fifty target audience as you actually do play the game.
 
Vince, don't take things so personally.  What you implied was that you play like Tony does on the livestream, and you're okay with that.  From what you've said, you actually put effort into when you actually do play, unlike the host of the livestream.
 
I certainly don't care enough to attack you personally, but defending the livestream for all of the wrong reasons is something I will make a comment about.
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There's often a complaint in games that the devs are catering to the casuals, but from a statistical and financial perspective, the casuals are the majority. If the goal is to get more people to play your game, you would definitely try to pander to the casual people who know nothing about the game. The hardcore gamers will already know about this game from other gamers or through other forums. There's no need to worry about them. Experienced MMO players who don't necessarily know about Wildstar mechanics will immediately realize that Tony is doing the wrong things, and not necessarily attribute his gameplay to the game overall. 
 
From that perspective, I believe Tony did pretty well. His costume was pretty cool, especially the hat, and would grab the attention of people who are interested in that. The way he gated and blinked around was also cool. Things like that. He was certainly more relatable to a casual player than a hardcore player. Sure, he died a lot, but casuals don't often care about that and just want to play a fun game. The fact that he was cheerful and joked about everything still pointed to the game being fun to play.	
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There's often a complaint in games that the devs are catering to the casuals, but from a statistical and financial perspective, the casuals are the majority. If the goal is to get more people to play your game, you would definitely try to pander to the casual people who know nothing about the game. The hardcore gamers will already know about this game from other gamers or through other forums. There's no need to worry about them. Experienced MMO players who don't necessarily know about Wildstar mechanics will immediately realize that Tony is doing the wrong things, and not necessarily attribute his gameplay to the game overall. 
 
From that perspective, I believe Tony did pretty well. His costume was pretty cool, especially the hat, and would grab the attention of people who are interested in that. The way he gated and blinked around was also cool. Things like that. He was certainly more relatable to a casual player than a hardcore player. Sure, he died a lot, but casuals don't often care about that and just want to play a fun game. The fact that he was cheerful and joked about everything still pointed to the game being fun to play.
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Casual and hardcore isn't just about how good you are at the game.  That's a problem that has plagued Wildstar since release.
 
Casuals who play for about an hour or two a day, sometimes not every day, regardless of their skill level, should be the target audience.  People with drastic playtime difference don't also fundamentally focus different.  That's why they're making content like dailies, and new adventures, etc.
 
If Tony needs to be relegated to only functioning in housing / costuming, that's one thing.  Pretending the stream is actually good for people that like PvE and PvP combat?  Nope. Not in the slightest.... and it shows in viewership and feedback.
 
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Casual and hardcore isn't just about how good you are at the game.  That's a problem that has plagued Wildstar since release.
 
Casuals who play for about an hour or two a day, sometimes not every day, regardless of their skill level, should be the target audience.  People with drastic playtime difference don't also fundamentally focus different.  That's why they're making content like dailies, and new adventures, etc.
 
If Tony needs to be relegated to only functioning in housing / costuming, that's one thing.  Pretending the stream is actually good for people that like PvE and PvP combat?  Nope. Not in the slightest.... and it shows in viewership and feedback.
 
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But the game isn't just for people who like combat. That's why there's things like housing / costuming. People who like to collect achievements, people who like to roleplay, people who like to only do the challenges, people who stay 500 miles away from a dungeon entrance at all times. These are all still people who play the game regularly, one or two hours like you say, and, more importantly, still pay for the game.
 
Wildstar isn't exclusively a combat game. No MMO nowadays is.
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Guys, what you're all complaining about is that a guy who has leveled up to level 25 wasn't ready to jump straight into the newest Vet Adventure on the PTR with a freshly minted 50 and do well at it at all.
 
Hardcore.
 
Was that aspect of it well-planned? Nope, it definitely was not. But because hindsight is always 20/20, I'm not inclined to gripe about it. I'm sure it didn't seem like a problem beforehand, and once it became obvious it was too late. So here's a few thoughts for how to address this kind of opportunity to showcase new content for next time:
 
1. Next time, run the content in normal mode that everyone rallies down to rather than at Veteran difficulty--presuming, of course, that this is even an option for new adventures in a game with so many hardcore players calling the leveling game a complete waste of time. The goal of Zero-To-Fifty isn't to appeal to the hardcore or provide a walkthrough guide, it's to showcase the scenery and the monsters and the story and look cool and fun for the masses.
 
2. People have been asking for a character transfer feature for the PTR since launch. If one had been implemented, Tony would have been working with the exact same character he's been working with since these streams started, rather than having to throw something together at the lat minute. That means he probably would've been a lot better and it probably would've been more fun for everyone involved. Just like it probably would be for most players who aren't currently in the PTR because it's a PITA to get started there. Maybe they should finally get around to implementing that.
 
3. Everyone's job during the stream is to help showcase the content that is up on the main screen and make it look fun, whether they're employees or volunteers. If you're not willing to stick with the streamer through the stream even when the team wipes, don't join the team in the first place. 	
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Exactly, the game is very casual friendly, but it is not bad player friendly. And I don't put unskilled players in the category of "bad". I consider a "bad" player one who is unskilled, and unwilling to improve.
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3. Everyone's job during the stream is to help showcase the content that is up on the main screen and make it look fun, whether they're employees or volunteers. If you're not willing to stick with the streamer through the stream even when the team wipes, don't join the team in the first place. 
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Y'all are still trying to make the stream out to be something it was never intended to be.
 
They weren't trying to replace dev speaks. They're not trying to showcase excellent play. It's just a stream of Tony's (and friends) adventures.
 
Chill out.	
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The problem is they didn't show off the new content. They barely got past the first pack of mobs before they called the show.
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Y'all are still trying to make the stream out to be something it was never intended to be.
 
They weren't trying to replace dev speaks. They're not trying to showcase excellent play. It's just a stream of Tony's (and friends) adventures.
 
Chill out.
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What will bring people into the game is to stay off the forums.  Some of the posters here can be vitriol. 
 
I just resubbed today.  I remember when the forums were fun.  Wow, not any more.
 
I watched the housing 0 to 50.  It wasn't terrible and it's pretty bad to bash a new player no matter what his/her job is.	
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What will bring people into the game is to stay off the forums. Some of the posters here can be vitriol. 
 
I just resubbed today. I remember when the forums were fun. Wow, not any more.
 
I watched the housing 0 to 50. It wasn't terrible and it's pretty bad to bash a new player no matter what his/her job is.
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Hey once again folks, no need for the insults. You can word your opinion about the stream without having to resort to personal insults towards Tony. 
 
- Team WildStar 	
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Hey once again folks, no need for the insults. You can word your opinion about the stream without having to resort to personal insults towards Tony. 
 
- Team WildStar
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You already did ;)
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And now a hilarious summary of the complains as I understand them:
 
"He is not HARDCORE! enough! He should become HARDCORE!, because clearly everyone playing for any lenght of time would eventually become HARDCORE!. If he isn't HARCORE! then how is he going to attract more HARDCORE! players to this HARDCORE! game? We need more HARDCORE! players to keep the game from being COMPLETELY RUINED FOREVER© by the filthy casuals! Like him! He is a filthy casual! How dares he play and stream in our HARDCORE! game for HARDCORE! players who are HARDCORE!."
 
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What will bring people into the game is to stay off the forums.  Some of the posters here can be vitriol. 
 
I just resubbed today.  I remember when the forums were fun.  Wow, not any more.
 
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There's often a complaint in games that the devs are catering to the casuals, but from a statistical and financial perspective, the casuals are the majority. If the goal is to get more people to play your game, you would definitely try to pander to the casual people who know nothing about the game. The hardcore gamers will already know about this game from other gamers or through other forums. There's no need to worry about them. Experienced MMO players who don't necessarily know about Wildstar mechanics will immediately realize that Tony is doing the wrong things, and not necessarily attribute his gameplay to the game overall. 
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I guess what I was asking for is really what other players already are providing in their streams.  So I believe I was mistaken.  We could promote the game on other sites by linking to player channels and noting when they typically stream.  That would be the high level gameplay I would be looking to promote.
 
If I seemed overly harsh at any point, that was not my intent.  The internets have made me a bad person, and I apologize.	
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What will bring people into the game is to stay off the forums.  Some of the posters here can be vitriol. 
 
I just resubbed today.  I remember when the forums were fun.  Wow, not any more.
 
I watched the housing 0 to 50.  It wasn't terrible and it's pretty bad to bash a new player no matter what his/her job is.
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the 2 topmost posts in these past few days are "can we get buster casey replaced?" and this post about getting tony replaced.
 
i 100% agree with Alaricsevgirl, stay off the forums if you dont want your experience ruined or at the very least the general forums/ pvp fourms.
 
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"He is not HARDCORE! enough! He should become HARDCORE!, because clearly everyone playing for any lenght of time would eventually become HARDCORE!. If he isn't HARCORE! then how is he going to attract more HARDCORE! players to this HARDCORE! game? We need more HARDCORE! players to keep the game from being COMPLETELY RUINED FOREVER© by the filthy casuals! Like him! He is a filthy casual! How dares he play and stream in our HARDCORE! game for HARDCORE! players who are HARDCORE!."
 
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the 2 topmost posts in these past few days are "can we get buster casey replaced?" and this post about getting tony replaced.
 
i 100% agree with Alaricsevgirl, stay off the forums if you dont want your experience ruined or at the very least the general forums/ pvp fourms.
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 It wasn't terrible and it's pretty bad to bash a new player no matter what his/her job is.
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The point is that he's not a new player. He's someone who literally gets money for playing this game for the past year.
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I think it wouldn't be such a big deal if there were more streams. Folks here want this game to be popular and received in a good light. Right now, the official stream is like a bad Benny Hill show. People aren't looking for a variety show, they're looking to bring more players into the game they enjoy.
 
Someone who can showcase moderate gaming skills while speaking articulately will bring in more viewers (and subs) than someone who can't.
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Eeeeeehhhh, that's a hell of a generalization you have there.
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How in the hell is that a generalisation? His job for the past year is to manage the community and market the game, part of that is evidently playing the game. How is any of that a generalisation, let alone "a hell of a generalisation"?
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How in the hell is that a generalisation? His job for the past year is to manage the community and market the game, part of that is evidently playing the game. How is any of that a generalisation, let alone "a hell of a generalisation"?
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If that's the kind of stream players want, some player should get on that. Carbine's staff is likely stretched thin as it is. I doubt they can afford to pull people from other departments who may be more skilled just to run around on a weekly stream.
 
Word of mouth is great in MMOs. Someone take some initiative and start a stream they think would better convey the aspects of the game they think should get out there.
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My point is: there are already good streams out there, but they need some promotion if anyone is gonna watch them.
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Because the part of that which is "playing the game" instead of "managing and marketing the game" is very small, and the part which is "managing and marketing the game" instead of "playing the game" is very large. That's like saying that the President's job is to oversee the White House Easter Egg Hunt and it's what he gets paid for so he should know how to do it better.
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All the better!
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He's the face for a company whose only product is Wildstar, needing to know how that game works seems like quite an important thing if you need to manage its community and market it to the players.
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Because the part of that which is "playing the game" instead of "managing and marketing the game" is very small, and the part which is "managing and marketing the game" instead of "playing the game" is very large. That's like saying that the President's job is to oversee the White House Easter Egg Hunt and it's what he gets paid for so he should know how to do it better.
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I really don't mind the lighter nature to the show most of the time. I think it's s decent way to showcase that even casual players can have fun in Wildstar. 
 
That said...the last stream was pretty bad when it came to showcase the new adventure. They didn't really get to show the intro, or even one of the big fights, and most of it consisted of just party wipes. I'd recommend next time there's a showcase for a new difficult area, characters should be properly prepared ahead of time and probably given invincibility to at least show a little of the content.	
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Tony isn't a developer, and I don't think anyone is really trying to make this personal.  IF it was anyone in that position, the arguments would still stand--- the person in the role is not eloquently, adequately, and in an entertaining manner, presenting something that interests people in the product.
 
I'm sure Tony's a great guy irl, but it's not about Tony, it's about the livestream.
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I'm using the term 'dev' as 'studio employee', and you've a fair point.  My blood is quick to boil when it comes to people bashing devs, having read through countless threads of death threats, personal insults, and a menagerie of colorful slurs directed at my team just because they made content.  The negative parts of communities tend to jade you that way.
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			Disclaimer: I haven't read all the posts here yet.I really enjoyed the latest stream despite, but also because it was so disorganized and chaotic. As unimpressive as it was, I was thoroughly entertained by Tony's mistakes and stuff, and especially the banter towards Tony. The joke about creating a stream in which 4 people partied with Tony to take him through content and call the stream "Carrying Tony" made me laugh loud enough that I scared the people who were in the room with me.I really don't think Tony needs to learn the game inside and out. Knowing the game better would probably be nice, but seeing somebody learn is actually pretty entertaining to me. The point of the stream isn't to have somebody who knows everything about the game showcasing the game. IMO that would be pretty boring. ALSO: keep in mind that Tony's primary job in the stream isn't to max his DPS or whatever, but to entertain. Channelling his attention to a skill rotation with more than a few buttons (or more than one) would take away his attention from his job as an entertainer. Probably.I do agree that showing new content like the adventure with somebody who has massive issues playing that content is not the place to do so. I learned absolutely nothing about the adventure in the stream. Ideally, more organization prior to the stream, and having Tony just sit there and watch somebody else play would be ideal I think. If nothing else, just have Tony DPS but have a different person's screen streaming, because seeing the screen of somebody struggling is, while somewhat entertaining, also understandably frustrating.And also yeah, what we've been seeing in Zero to Fifty is definitely not any representation of what levelling from 0-50 actually looks like. Being in a party with 3 level 50s tackling Galeras quests is not representative of that content at all. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, because having the community come in and play alongside is really fun, it just shouldn't be framed as trying to showcase the gameplay in a meaningful way.But yeah, overall I just want to say that I still immensely enjoy watching the streams, and the most recent one was the funniest one yet.	
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i think you guys are a bit too harsh on Tony= hes actually a good caster. (red5 days and wildstar)
 
 
i blame carbine not shutting down the show during its prime. its pointless now,  they should spend that budget elsewhere ingame. and only showcase new content when its do.
 
(side note:i have an advertising degree-so i think my opinion is valid.)
 
Sorry Tony & crew, you seem like a good guy-but the show seems pointless now.	
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I like Tony, I like the zero to fifty show.. I watch when I can (it's on at an inconvenient time for me).
 
It's not supposed to be a super hardcore in depth look.
 
To those that think Tony isn't providing the type of stream they want... I say
 
How many viewers do you have watching you play WildStar?  What is stopping you from putting on the stream you'd like to watch?	
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Here's a quick question- if some more experienced players put together a show highlighting a different instance a week, is that something people would be interested in? That actually sounds like something fun my wife and I, or maybe my guild, could do. And it could be a way to highlight what some of the best content in this game looks like.
 
I've never done a video/stream before, but I think it might be fun to do, and with all the shiphands, dungeons, and adventures there's a lot of content to work with here . . .	
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Here's my 2 cents.
 
I like Zero to Fifty. I think Tony's a big goofball and DD is adorable and would fit right in with my group of friends.
 
The thing that bugs me is I would really like to see Tony *actually* learn to play, even if he will never be the greatest player. I feel like he needs to respect us enough to try. Most people know enough by 25 not to run up and smack a mob in an instance/dungeon/adventure/shiphand when the rest of your group is still not there/ready.
 
That's it. I will continue to support Zero to Fifty when I can and I'm with Wildstar come hell or high water for the foreseeable future.	
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Here's a quick question- if some more experienced players put together a show highlighting a different instance a week, is that something people would be interested in? That actually sounds like something fun my wife and I, or maybe my guild, could do. And it could be a way to highlight what some of the best content in this game looks like.
 
I've never done a video/stream before, but I think it might be fun to do, and with all the shiphands, dungeons, and adventures there's a lot of content to work with here . . .
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I like Tony, I like the zero to fifty show.. I watch when I can (it's on at an inconvenient time for me).
 
It's not supposed to be a super hardcore in depth look.
 
To those that think Tony isn't providing the type of stream they want... I say
 
How many viewers do you have watching you play WildStar?  What is stopping you from putting on the stream you'd like to watch?
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-snip- I really don't think Tony needs to learn the game inside and out. Knowing the game better would probably be nice, but seeing somebody learn is actually pretty entertaining to me. The point of the stream isn't to have somebody who knows everything about the game showcasing the game. IMO that would be pretty boring. ALSO: keep in mind that Tony's primary job in the stream isn't to max his DPS or whatever, but to entertain. Channelling his attention to a skill rotation with more than a few buttons (or more than one) would take away his attention from his job as an entertainer. Probably.-snip-
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I suffer back-seat gamer rage so much.  Watching people play badly causes physical pain and emotional scarring.
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Just another plug for some more community streaming entertainment, Old _ man _ blue is streaming vet shiphands right now.
 
I'm glad for people like this because it's fun to watch when I'm a bit too exhausted to play.	
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Because the part of that which is "playing the game" instead of "managing and marketing the game" is very small, and the part which is "managing and marketing the game" instead of "playing the game" is very large. That's like saying that the President's job is to oversee the White House Easter Egg Hunt and it's what he gets paid for so he should know how to do it better.
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Well, Zero to Fifty is on hiatus for a few weeks thanks to this thread.
 
I'm glad Carbine is, as always, open to feedback and improvement, but I'm going to miss watching this while I work.	
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Here's a quick question- if some more experienced players put together a show highlighting a different instance a week, is that something people would be interested in? That actually sounds like something fun my wife and I, or maybe my guild, could do. And it could be a way to highlight what some of the best content in this game looks like.
 
I've never done a video/stream before, but I think it might be fun to do, and with all the shiphands, dungeons, and adventures there's a lot of content to work with here . . .
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I did throw in my criticism earlier here like most people but I do want to make sure that Tony and crew know they have my, and I'm sure our support.
 
The thread's up for feedback/changes to be made, so now it's time to focus on the positives and make things as we would like them!	
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Hey folks, 
 
Since we do now have an official thread now where you can make suggestions while 0 to 50 is on hiatus, I'm going to close this duplicate thread down. Thank you for all of your feedback. You can find the official thread here. 
 
- Team WildStar 	
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