114925-stephan-frost-leaving-carbine

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I has the sad. :'(
 
http://www.twitch.tv/wildstar/b/573588935
 
He announces it at the very end, around 1:01.	
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			I wonder whose next	
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Seriously, Frost is one of the main reasons I got interested in Wildstar.  His Dev Speak videos are absolute gold.
 
Carbine should have counter offered something Frost couldn't refuse.
 
It is a sad sad day for Wildstar and Carbine.	
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Best of luck to him in his career. He seems like a good and fun chap with plenty to offer.
 
I hope that wherever he goes he is happy.	
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I has the sad. :'(
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			Anyone really surprised?  What is he like the 4th major guy to jump ship?  He was a community figure, but had little to do with programming.  Good luck to him!	
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			I'll provide a link as soon as today's nexus report is uploaded to youtube.	
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Dropped that Bomb, didn't expect that - now even more concerned about the future state of this game.
No word on anyone replacing frost either by this alone some people might unsub.
 
With that said best of luck and all that.	
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I'll provide a link as soon as today's nexus report is uploaded to youtube.
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 /shrug.  We will see where it ends up.  It quite honestly won't have much of an impact to the game at all.  His videos and commentary were great, but it wasn't like the backbone of Wildstar is gone now or anything.  Maybe someone who is still excited about Wildstar, will step up to the plate and steer the ship in a slightly better direction than what it was set sail for initially.  Possibly quicker and better thought out strategy and decisions will be made by the new guy (whoever it may be).  Best of luck to Frost with w/e it is he is doing (since I didn't watch the stream).
 
I am not worried at all.	
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This is pretty *cupcake*ing depressing for me. Despite hearing about holiday events being cancelled this year, there was some VERY GOOD questions being answered in this Nexus Report. A lot of which made me feel hopeful that the game is not a lost cause...
And then this piece of news gets dropped? It worries me. It worries me because it just begs the question:
 
WHY?
 
Is the game REALLY failing THIS badly, making so many important members of Carbine just want to stand up and leave? Design producer gone. Class balance lead gone. And even the *cupcake*ing president of Carbine Studios is gone.
 
That little annoucement just made me sad again.	
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			Damn, best of luck	
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			At some point, there's not much left for an artist/creator. Some people want to create games from the beginning, when there's nothing set in stone yet. So I can understand why he's leaving (not saying that;s the reason but it could be).I will however really miss Frost being part of Carbine. He is for me the face of Wildstar. Will miss you Frost, but I'm definately following your new projects. Goodluck! 	
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			Even I saw this despite not logging into the forums. =/ News sure travels fast on Twitter. I missed the Nexus report. He was one of the first reasons I got into the hype about this game, his humor will be missed.	
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			 Was watching the show and yeah it was pretty shocking to see him just come out with it.. seemed like he was holding back emotions also... Im wondering if NCsoft is starting to spread its corruption even further into carbine ranks..	
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Is the game REALLY failing THIS badly, making so many important members of Carbine just want to stand up and leave?
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			This makes my heart ache. I liked Frost, and wish him all the luck in the world, but I worry about what my new home is going to go through in the shakeup that's bound to happen. I hope there is an announcement soon about who will be stepping up.	
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			Is it just me or did Frost look like he lost a bit of weight? They all also seemed pretty stressed on the stream. I hope where ever he goes he stays happy and healthy. 	
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Look at how depressed everyone is! Frost is Mordesh.
 
Confirmed	
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			If you're worried about the state of the game due to his departure, you are forgetting all of the other great Carbine staff who interact with the community on a regular basis that are genuinely great people.  Now, I'm not saying all of the employees at Carbine are amazing but there are still plenty.	
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OMG... there is a "hidden message" in this livestream (2:53min)
 
O_O	
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			Really sad news and definitely does not bode well for this game.	
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			I'm guessing he didn't get to experience enough warplots. He sounded really excited about them :).	
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Stop confusing the games troubles with people leaving. This is NOT unusual for any MMO. A launched MMO needs far fewer people than one in development, even when it is having troubles, and this is a big part of how the industry works. People who like making games and people who like running games are often two different kinds of people, so the people who like making games tend to go and keep doing that.
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and also blasts the door open for wack job conspiriacy theorists
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I want to hear them xD
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			Please, no.	
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You're right that this isn't unusual for an MMO or any retail game with huge budgets, but it still makes people wonder and worry considering that people are leaving the team in rapid succession. If it was just someone leaving in between long intervals, than I wouldn't see it as an issue, but the fact that three members have left in such a short timeframe rubs me the wrong way, and also blasts the door open for wack job conspiriacy theorists and will add more fire to the "The game is dead" flames, using news like this an their excuse.
 
So it's still something to be concern about, regardless.
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			Leaving so soooon?	
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Well that sucks. Sorry to see Frost go. Hope you find something man.
 
Think I may just take a break till I see the actual update.
My gut feeling is telling me NCsoft is thinking about pulling the plug. 
Hope I'm wrong, I really do. 	
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Well that sucks. Sorry to see Frost go. Hope you find something man.
 
Think I may just take a break till I see the actual update.
My gut feeling is telling me NCsoft is thinking about pulling the plug. 
Hope I'm wrong, I really do. 
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			LOL @ people acting like Carbine employees are quitting.  They are professional video game developers.  They're not just quitting because the game isn't doing well at launch.  They got offered a better gig.  That's how professional life works.  You move up the ladder.Good luck to Frost in his future endeavors and I'm really curious about what it's going to be.  He said he will be announcing it on Twitter later but not on the livestream.	
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Ouch! Yeah things arent going well with this game with so many leaving. This is usually a sign the dreaded F2P announcement in imminent. Though I guess voluntarily leaving arent the same things as layoffs.
 
/sigh... ESO might be my last thread of hope left for this genre.	
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LOL @ people acting like Carbine employees are quitting.  They are professional video game developers.  They're not just quitting because the game isn't doing well at launch.  They got offered a better gig.  That's how professional life works.  You move up the ladder.
 
Good luck to Frost in his future endeavors and I'm really curious about what it's going to be.  He said he will be announcing it on Twitter later but not on the livestream.
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...wack job conspiriacy theorists and will add more fire to the "The game is dead" flames, using news like this an their excuse.
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Well there is no reason to assume, he did state on stream he got a offer he couldn't refuse and that's why he's leaving the game. I would be lying if this didn't worry me, but we'll see what the future brings. 
 
Best of luck to Stephen Frost with whatever you're up to!	
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This makes me a sad corgi. This is not going well with the community's morale. I wish him luck on his next position, though I will miss him.	
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Getting note of this happening in Carbine is a really sad thing to see. I mean, sure, the company is evolving and people come and go as they're needed, but seeing Frost leave is something that's really hard to accept.
 
He was the Devspeak guy, after all. He was the guy who pulled us in with each and every single one of those things. And he did a damn good job at it too. Probably wouldn't have played MMOs at all without him at the front.
 
But at the end of the day, though, Frost isn't with Carbine anymore. And that's depressing. RIP in peace, Brofessional. You will be missed.	
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They are professional video game developers.  They're not just quitting because the game isn't doing well at launch.  They got offered a better gig.  That's how professional life works.  You move up the ladder.
 
Good luck to Frost in his future endeavors and I'm really curious about what it's going to be.  He said he will be announcing it on Twitter later but not on the livestream.
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LOL @ people acting like Carbine employees are quitting.  They are professional video game developers.  They're not just quitting because the game isn't doing well at launch.  They got offered a better gig.  That's how professional life works.  You move up the ladder.
 
Good luck to Frost in his future endeavors and I'm really curious about what it's going to be.  He said he will be announcing it on Twitter later but not on the livestream.
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			If it's just that he got an great offer some place else, I don't think it means anything. No more then Gaffer sorta left. In both cases they did so for completely legit reasons. It doesn't sound like any of them were forced out due to budget cuts or the like. So there's really no reason to get concerned... Unless you don't believe they left for the reasons they said they did.	
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If it's just that he got an great offer some place else, I don't think it means anything. No more then Gaffer sorta left. In both cases they did so for completely legit reasons. It doesn't sound like any of them were forced out due to budget cuts or the like. So there's really no reason to get concerned... Unless you don't believe they left for the reasons they said they did.
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			I'm much more concerned about the way Donatelli was acting than Frost leaving.	
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It's not really that. More like with a change of command, the whole game could change direction. New faces in the board room, new leader, etc. I'm not about to jump ship as I quite enjoy the game and I'm happy with a long list of things I still want to do, but I can still worry that with new leadership will come a new direction of game design, possibly into a direction I'd rather avoid.
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More like with a change of command, the whole game could change direction.
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			Damn, this sucks.  I was interested in this game when the first trailer came out, but it wasn't until Stephan Frost did the dev speak videos that I gave WildStar my full attention. 	
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Yeah the one Dev Speak for housing and movement really was what hooked me into the game. For one I loved the idea of housing, but lot of it was the comments to the sheep.
 
"you can stay."	
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Business is business, I wish you luck & loot in your new adventure Frost.
 	
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While sad to see him go....i think this is for the best. Carbine needs change from the top down and have new people come in with new perspectives and ideas....as in any place really. 
 
Hopefully its change for the best and good luck with whatever you have in the future Frost. It was amusing, at least at first, the weekly Nexus report you guys hosted. 
 
Now that Frost is gone....I am very interested who's going to be his replacement. 	
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For me, the interesting thing was Mike... sitting off to the right....
He looked rather stressed throughout the entire show, and towards the end looked like the only place he wanted to be was somewhere with a very stiff drink.
 
Couldn't say as I blamed him. The timing on Frost's announcement is about as atrocious as it can get. Whether he's leaving strictly because of a better job, or because of "differences" it doesn't matter. A slew of people are going to assume the worst.
 
You should have seen the chat explode. It was....
 
amusing.	
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For me, the interesting thing was Mike... sitting off to the right....
He looked rather stressed throughout the entire show, and towards the end looked like the only place he wanted to be was somewhere with a very stiff drink.
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For me, the interesting thing was Mike... sitting off to the right....
He looked rather stressed throughout the entire show, and towards the end looked like the only place he wanted to be was somewhere with a very stiff drink.
 
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Frost,
 
Best of luck and happiness to you. Hope that big payday works out for you.
 
Just remember, even a yard full of weeds looks good from the street. Or was that "the grass always looks greener on the other side"? Oh damn. Don't you just hate worn out clichés?
 
Anywho… All the best to you.
 
Dare I say it?  
 
Stay Frosty!	
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Seconds before he started to talk I felt something bad was about to happen. I'm very sad to see him go but I wish him the best on his new job, and hope that he stays in contact with the community.
 
If you are reading this, good luck on your new journey buddy, cheers!	
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Bye Frost,
 
your dev speeches were the reason I played the game to begin with.
 
Good luck with your future endeavours! <3
 
Love syl x	
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			Look, here's the thing.  Just because one person or even five others are chosen over one specific person for a certain role, that does not mean instantly that the person is hard to work with or anything of that sort; it just means that they have other people who are more suited to the role they would like to fill.  I won't fight the rumor because it could very well be the case but it seems to me more like these rumors are just from people who are reading into things way too much. 	
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			I was already doubting wildstar's future, but now I'm not sure I even wanna stick around  :(	
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			Anyone find that there was a somber no joking around style to this State of the Game?  Donatelli looks like he needs an enema (saying this in the nicest possible way)	
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			It's still a business. In a business, most people (if not all) are replacable. Also, listen again what Kate said - she's been 4 years at ArenaNet and resigned a couple of weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEAUIiD4DHw	
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			Oh gawd... The Facebook haters are going to have a field day with this one.	
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			I am really bummed out :(Really sad to see him go. Best of luck, you'll be missed.	
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			Well that royally sucks.	
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			Wishing the best of luck. :)	
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I logged in cause a friend told me about Frost leaving.... 
 
I am so sad. Frost is my favorite part of Carbine and WildStar.
I will definitely continue following him on Twitter and see where he goes. He was hilarious, loved his videos and voices and everything.
 
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I've been on sinking ships before, and I do not bail for a smaller paycheck. Frost also does not seem to be the type to bail for a smaller pay check either.
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Only people with no careers of their own would see so much negativity in somebody leaving after a job well done.
 
 
Congrats to you Stephan!
 
No doubt you'll be able to create the same magic somewhere new that you able to do here! Best of luck, thanks for all that you did here!	
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I met Stephan Frost at the UK community meet-up. He was just the nicest guy, well second as I still hold soft spot for Mark (Anlath). He was speaking in such a genuine way, seemed honestly interested in even my most trivial questions.
 
I do wish him all the best in the future.
 
My opinion on the game without him, it will be okay. Yes, he is a big personality and I think he has done a great job but I do believe he is replaceable (sorry Stephan!). The ship will carry on sailing.	
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Sad to see him go, its a nice guy and his sense of humor is sprinkled all throughout the game.
 
However, it can be good for the game to have a new face with another pov and fresh ideas on the hotseat. 	
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An executive producer is always necessary. 
 
It's most likely the low pay and the high pressure of a sweatshop studio got the better of him. He wasn't the first person to leave the rather toxic gaming industry and won't be the last. He probably waited till the product shipped to have it on his resume and left as soon as he could.
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Sad to see him go, Devspeaks was epic with Frost!
 
On the other hand, Frost is a creative person. Wildstar is past the creative point, they now have to use their analytic skills to fix problems and improve the game. 
Leading up to launch, massive pressure to get everything done. After launch, massive pressure to fix problems and improve the game.
It is the same thing as we see with guilds loosing players, burnout. Level to 50, do Attunement. Do GA, more Attunement. Start Datascape... NO, need more Attuned players!
 
The same thing happened to SWTOR, loads of devs left the year after launch. Carbine was founded by devs leaving Blizzard around WOW launch. 
The sky is not falling :D new devs, new producers brings new ideas to improve the game post launch. 
 
-Bozzy	
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ESO has more bugs and a lack of endgame so if you're thinking that will be your last thread of hope, you're mistaken.
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			This makes me genuinely concerned over the direction of the game. This and the fact that there will be NO holiday events this year. Seems that a lot of the "spirit" is gone. :(	
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This makes me genuinely concerned over the direction of the game. This and the fact that there will be NO holiday events this year. Seems that a lot of the "spirit" is gone. :(
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 I am seeing a lot of people saying about the Holiday events which I am kinda surprised not that there are people complaining but I can live without the holiday events in hopes they fix this game and maybe down the road possibly get more people playing once it is fixed. https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/114928-just-a-thought-on-holidays-more-so-halloween/ In this post they explain further the task of putting the holiday stuff in.
 
Why would you put emphasis on Holiday's when the game as a whole needs fixed?	
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Frost is a very lovable guy. But lets also be rational. If I understand it correctly, the the product and design producer is responsible for guiding all design projects through the design process.
 
The game has been designed and produced. Isn't it only logical to find an unreleased game to design and produce?
 
Didn't a ton devs leave after wow was released? To then work on wildstar?	
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Frost is a very lovable guy. But lets also be rational. If I understand it correctly, the the product and design producer is responsible for guiding all design projects through the design process.
 
The game has been designed and produced. Isn't it only logical to find an unreleased game to design and produce?
 
Didn't a ton devs leave after wow was released? To then work on wildstar?
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Game is doing much better now. Theyve kind of disappeared from the media (much like Wildstar) but from what ive heard many of the bugs are squashed and theyre doing really well with new content.
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Hey all,
 
I cleaned up this thread a little. Please remember to keep comments both constructive and respectful, courteous, and polite (Rule #1).	
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Hey all,
 
I cleaned up this thread a little. Please remember to keep comments both constructive and respectful, courteous, and polite (Rule #1).
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Frost is a very lovable guy. But lets also be rational. If I understand it correctly, the the product and design producer is responsible for guiding all design projects through the design process.
 
The game has been designed and produced. Isn't it only logical to find an unreleased game to design and produce?
 
Didn't a ton devs leave after wow was released? To then work on wildstar?
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Mr Frost, Congrats on the new job. I hope to see something interesting from you in the near future.
 
As to the rest..... Most would agree that while the doom and gloom has been a bit much, the "direction" needed a change. Between what we have been told is the current intent and people leaving I can actually see a change happening. Change can be hard and is often not pretty, but the results can be spectacular. So, while I wish those leaving Carbine good luck, I also give those who remain my good wishes.  May they find what they need to make the game great, make lots of money, while I enjoy their creation....	
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			I'm morbidly curious if he recorded voice over for a Dev Speak vid- sabotage! -eo for the Defile before going. I've been looking forward to some promotion for Drop 3, more so since it now seems to be roughly a month away.	
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			This is incredibly sad, especially since Frost is the unofficial (and occasionally official) voice of Wildstar.  However, I'm not worried about the game itself any more than I was before.  Tons of higher ups left Bioware pre- and post-launch of SWTOR as well but I wouldn't say the game itself actually got worse (until EA turned it into microtransaction hell, that is).	
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Stop confusing the games troubles with people leaving. This is NOT unusual for any MMO. A launched MMO needs far fewer people than one in development, even when it is having troubles, and this is a big part of how the industry works. People who like making games and people who like running games are often two different kinds of people, so the people who like making games tend to go and keep doing that.
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I just got around to watching parts of that livestream where he says goodbye, and Holy Lopp, it sounded like mourning at a funeral for the entire livestream.
 
 
Makes me really worried now, if even the Marketing Director looks that sombre on camera.
 
 
Smile!
 
 
 
Lie to me Jerry, LIE TO ME
 
 	
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