136224-worst-relaunch-in-mmo-history

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			It's like amateur hour. This is quite sad.	
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Since launch, I have tried every night to get into the game.
 
I've only had success getting to the character creation screen 4 times, and every one of those times I could not get a character finalized and I would time out from inactivity and lose the entire character, having to relog in (a couple of those times with a 20+ minute queue) and re-create my character from scratch.
 
Right now, it's been two days since I've seen the character creation screen - the game keeps timing out at "retrieving characters".
 
Yes, Wildstar Reloaded now has the crown for "Worst (Re)Launch in MMO History"
 
I am sooooooo very glad I didn't drop any money on this.
 
 
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			sure it aint your PC ??? this game wont run on a hamster-powered apple 2e ya know ? just asking . hehe ( I know , I know .. don't feed the trolls or get them angry )	
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FFXIV Reborn was worse but this one is getting close.  Even so, FFXIV was full box price and sub and this one is free, so FFXIV should retain its crown of shame.
 
I actually find it somewhat amusing how many are complaining about something that's free.  Yeah, it sucks, but you get what you pay for - nothing for nothing.  If we all bought the box and were suffering thru this, it'd be worth all the ranting.	
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Everybody that's anybody makes a thread about how maligned they feel over the launch troubles, as though the people at Carbine aren't working their asses off trying to fix it.
 
Do people just not get that it's their JOB to ensure that everything works and, when something breaks, to fix it?  Why the heck does everyone presume incompetence/immorality rather than the simpler solution of 'computers are complex as hell'.
 
I couldn't tell you how to program a VCR (Ha, topical!) but I at least understand that the complexities of coding make problems a little bit harder to fix than just toggling that 1 to a 0 or a 0 to a 1.	
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			Anarchy is listed as having the worst launch in MMO history... i remember that day. That was the day i lost my hair.	
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My box is more than capable of running the game and I'm on a solid cable connection (100 down / 10 up) - so I don't think hardware is to blame.
 
It's a clean install of the game - no past installs period.
 
And even though this is free, it is still advertised as being playable.
 
 
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			Vanguard SOh, Shadowbane, Dark and Light ..just a quick offthe top of my head. This is nothing compared to those games. Horizon online .. ect ect. This is actually quite smooth since 3/4 of people ar eplaying with 1/4 stuck in a loop. :)	
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It's like amateur hour. This is quite sad.
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			Worst launch is probably still D3, and that was Blizzard. FFXIV is pretty close (another huge company), which had about 3-5 days of unplayable time which was bad enough they gave you some free stuff and a crying japanese man.We'll see though, I'm sure none of them are even allowed to go home until everything is working. 
			
				
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Yep, the situation is pretty bad right now. The dev team is probably attempting to move heaven and earth to get the servers back into a functional state. Quite a few players are being pretty forgiving and are willing to stick around for the sake of a good MMO (once the problems are fixed).
 
I do have to ask though, what is the tipping point for the players that have been patient and understanding thus-far?
 
A full week of severe problems? A month?
 
It's unlikely that it will reach a month, but we're quickly approaching the full week. While the devs are probably doing everything in their power to try to solve the problem, the problem still exists because they were ill-prepared for the re-launch. The longer the server problems persist, the more it shows they were clearly not ready for such a shift yet (and probably should have done some more extensive testing).
 
And the game being free doesn't mean people have no right to complain. Many players join a F2P game with the assumption that they may spend money on the game if they enjoy it enough. Besides, there are players currently that are paying for the game and yet stuck in the same boat.	
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My box is more than capable of running the game and I'm on a solid cable connection (100 down / 10 up) - so I don't think hardware is to blame.
 
It's a clean install of the game - no past installs period.
 
And even though this is free, it is still advertised as being playable.
 
 
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Anarchy is listed as having the worst launch in MMO history... i remember that day. That was the day i lost my hair.
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			Yea, W* has yet to come close to the disaster sauce that was the relaunch of FFXIV. Anarchy's launch was a shamble. Am I the only one that remembers the cluster of Wizardry? Or was it so bad (existing for a mere 7 months) that it just gets forgotten in the sea of terrible MMO's people complaining here don't even know existed let alone compare W* Too rather then only comparing it to the 4 top MMO's in a genre of hundreds of games.	
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Wizardy , just plane stunk lol, not even a smooth launch could save that turd. :D
 
Pirate of the Burning Sea, another one that died at launch.
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Wizardy , just plane stunk lol, not even a smooth launch could save that turd. :D
 
Pirate of the Burning Sea, another one that died at launch.
 
So yeah, not even close because
 
A. the game works with tons of conetent.
B. What doesn't work is not core game related, it is a server issue.
C. The problem , unlike some game companies/developers, is being addressed.
 
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			Oh god repressed memories of Pirates of the Burning Sea...	
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You know you've really done goof'd when a thread intent on bashing on a supposed "worst launch evar" thread gets corrected with several examples in such a short time frame.
 
Take it easy, OP. That was a harsh beating.	
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Eh, thread isn't that impressive.
 
I'm waiting for the epitome of all failure-announcement threads that always gets posted on every launch/relaunch ever.
 
The one where the OP not only claims its the most catastrophic failure in mmo history, but then bolsters their standpoint by claiming to have been part of 'x' number of mmo launches while only rattling off and effectively describing a few.	
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Sorry, but, Hellgate:London has them all beat.
 
Flagship was the developer. It was so bad they completely shut down within a year of launch. The term "Flagshipped" came from that fiasco and is an even an Urban Dictionary entry:
 
flagshipped
A term that was started on the hellgate: london forums, used to refer when you buy something and in turn the thing you bought is: A: very poorly made B: broken C: bugged out to all hell (refering to a game) D: not getting what you paid for 
Tim: "I just bought a new table today and one of its legs broke" Bill: "Man you got flagshipped" _______________ Tom: "Wow man i just bought a brand new xbox360 and i got the three red rings as soon as i turned it on!!!" Bob: "Heh sounds like you got flagshipped" ________________ Ron: "I bought a game today i cant even play it because it keeps crashing, and even when its not crashing im getting really bad lag on my $10000 computer i just bought yesterday!" Alan: "Flagshipped, hahahaha"
			
				
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 FFXIV is pretty close (another huge company), which had about 3-5 days of unplayable time which was bad enough they gave you some free stuff and a crying japanese man.
 
 
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			Let's be fair though, this is pretty bad.	
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Sorry, but, Hellgate:London has them all beat.
 
Flagship was the developer. It was so bad they completely shut down within a year of launch. The term "Flagshipped" came from that fiasco and is an even an Urban Dictionary entry:
 
flagshipped
A term that was started on the hellgate: london forums, used to refer when you buy something and in turn the thing you bought is:  
A: very poorly made 
B: broken 
C: bugged out to all hell (refering to a game) 
D: not getting what you paid for 
Tim: "I just bought a new table today and one of its legs broke"  
Bill: "Man you got flagshipped" 
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Tom: "Wow man i just bought a brand new xbox360 and i got the three red rings as soon as i turned it on!!!" 
 
Bob: "Heh sounds like you got flagshipped" 
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Ron: "I bought a game today i cant even play it because it keeps crashing, and even when its not crashing im getting really bad lag on my $10000 computer i just bought yesterday!" 
 
Alan: "Flagshipped, hahahaha"
 
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			Oh look another thread like this.	
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Oh look another thread like this.
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Oh look another post like this!
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Oh look another cyclical post cycle!
 
We have to go deeper. *BWAOOOOOOOM*
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Worst launch is probably still D3, and that was Blizzard. FFXIV is pretty close (another huge company), which had about 3-5 days of unplayable time which was bad enough they gave you some free stuff and a crying japanese man.
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Oh look another post like this!
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I'm still saying worst launch was EA's SimCity.
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I actually like Hellgate, still got my box right here, I was not at launch though. Bandai china bought the game ?
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I'm gonna come right out and say it. I'm not above talking absolute brutal smack on companies that have made poor decisions whether its the product they release or their choice in publishers (Developers that are in an way tied to Activision and EA, no matter how vague, are dead to me).
 
That being said, while I WOULD NORMALY be one of the first guys slipping the glove on and readying my 'pimp-hand', I really CAN'T in this case. I simply find myself unable to perform the mental gymnastics to get mad at these guys, yea, sure they could've given a bit more warning on the transfers, and the expansions on housing were a bit of a surprise (That really threw alot of veteran players for a loop), but when you step back? the very fact that they offered the transfers and more land to build on (for free no less) is not something you see in alot of MMOs anymore. It was a gesture of good faith and I can respect the company for it all.
 
This shift to F2P? Outside of perhaps maybe 1 or 2 older MMOs (Vanguard comes to mind), this may have been one of the worse transitions. HAVING SAID THAT, it seems like these guys are genuinely busting their balls trying to get everything up and running. I've seen a few posts here and there trying to troubleshoot the problems themselves. I haven't seen anything from these guys to suggest they deserve any flak. I don't imagine anyone could've imagined just how many people would've come back. Not only that, but going out of their way to open up more servers just to keep people playing for a few days/weeks until the population settles out? that tells me they really want this to be successful, and why not? This is their baby, their paycheck, sling in the login loop issues and you have a developer's worst nightmare.
 
My Kudos to Carbine, this rounds hoping you guys can figure it out soon and we can all get back to settling, shooting and shiving each other and Nexus' inhabitants!
			
				
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Sorry, but, Hellgate:London has them all beat.
 
Flagship was the developer. It was so bad they completely shut down within a year of launch. The term "Flagshipped" came from that fiasco and is an even an Urban Dictionary entry:
 
flagshipped
A term that was started on the hellgate: london forums, used to refer when you buy something and in turn the thing you bought is:  
A: very poorly made 
B: broken 
C: bugged out to all hell (refering to a game) 
D: not getting what you paid for 
Tim: "I just bought a new table today and one of its legs broke"  
Bill: "Man you got flagshipped" 
_______________ 
Tom: "Wow man i just bought a brand new xbox360 and i got the three red rings as soon as i turned it on!!!" 
 
Bob: "Heh sounds like you got flagshipped" 
________________ 
 
Ron: "I bought a game today i cant even play it because it keeps crashing, and even when its not crashing im getting really bad lag on my $10000 computer i just bought yesterday!" 
 
Alan: "Flagshipped, hahahaha"
 
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			I've been through many relaunches, but you gotta admit that it's actually a good thing they're having this problem. That means a lot of players are coming back to the game or more newcomers. They probably weren't expecting this many, but if things keep flowing like this especially since they're F2P now.  This is just the tip of the iceberg and more servers will come and probably a RP that they used to have.
			
				
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This shift to F2P? Outside of perhaps maybe 1 or 2 older MMOs (Vanguard comes to mind), this may have been one of the worse transitions. HAVING SAID THAT, it seems like these guys are genuinely busting their balls trying to get everything up and running.
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Maybe because there's already a million threads exactly like this? Maybe because anyone with a brain could see the issues with this relaunch? Seriously, what is the mentality of the op? 
 
"I can't log in. I'll bet no one else knows that I can't log in, so I am going to announce that I can not log in to let everyone know that I can not log in." 
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Do you really want to know the mentality of the OP? Or are you just venting your anger just like the OP?
 
Because if you really want to know I'd be happy to help!
 
The OP obviously knows that everyone already knows about all these issues, but it's likely he was very excited to play this game and when he couldn't for 4 straight days that excitement was all just ripped away. So now he's understandably sort of frustrated and vexed, and instead of just keeping his emotions bottled up inside he vents on some random forum that the devs don't even read, in the hopes of getting some validation from others.
 
"Yes, these issues are indeed happening and they are quite frustrating OP"
 
Meanwhile he gets:
"How dare you complain about issues you are having when other people already complained about these issues. I am now going to complain about you complaining about things."
 
Meanwhile I too am here complaining about things. It's very relaxing. :)
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Then why can't he contribute to a thread that already exists? Once again, anyone can see that dozens of these are already on the front page. He's just exasperating the problem by flooding the forums with copy/pasted threads, adding nothing that no one doesn't already know. The fact that there are so many threads like this also helps validate his frustrations. There's no reason to make redundant threads like this. He's basically complaining that the sky is blue. 
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What are you, the forum police? If you're so tired of these threads than maybe you need to do something other than partake in them?
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What are you, the whiner police? People can say whatever the hell they want, but I am asking why there needs to be a another copy/pasted thread for every single person that gets frustrated at the same thing. You think we don't know? You think doesn't know? We get it, you are frustrated. So is everyone else. It's really annoying when you scroll through the forums and every other thread is carbon copy .
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What are you, the whiner police? People can say whatever the hell they want, but I am asking why there needs to be a another copy/pasted thread for every single person that gets frustrated at the same thing. You think we don't know? You think doesn't know? We get it, you are frustrated. So is everyone else. It's really annoying when you scroll through the forums and every other thread is carbon copy .
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Yes. People can say whatever the hell they want. And they are. Get over it already.
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Kinda like how I am saying whatever the hell I want in telling you to get a life? Once again, you are adding nothing by saying you are upset because everyone with a brain already knows. Perhaps YOU should get over it.
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Yes. People can say whatever the hell they want. And they are. Get over it already.
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Kinda like how I am saying whatever the hell I want in telling you to get a life? Once again, you are adding nothing by saying you are upset because everyone with a brain already knows. Perhaps YOU should get over it.
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If that is how they justify making redundant threads, then consider what I said as advice.
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People can't say "whatever the hell they want". This is why harassment is a crime, and saying certain things is grounds for civil and social repercussion.
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People can't say "whatever the hell they want". This is why harassment is a crime, and saying certain things is grounds for civil and social repercussion.
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Well now we're just going around in circles. Where's Mumboejumboh when you need him.
 
Also, they make seperate threads because they want to be noticed. Not all of them do it, and it's not just the people complaining about the servers doing it either. The people complaining about people complaining also make threads about that.
 
They want attention, they want to vent their anger and they want people to know they're angry. Being angry by yourself is not very fun at all.
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If that is how they justify making redundant threads, then consider what I said as advice.
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And here comes the virtual lawyer. It was only a matter of time.  Any other tidbits you want to dole out to make yourself feel intelligent before I move on?
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Well no, that's not how they justify it. That's just generally the psychology behind it.
 
The justifications are generally pseudo-rational arguments. Which I mean, sometimes have points behind them. But mostly it's just people venting, and I think that's ok. They have every right, and a lot of reasons to be angry.
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Yes. People can say whatever the hell they want. And they are. Get over it already.
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No, that IS their justification for it. They want to be acknowledged. They want to be heard. Otherwise there would be no point in even creating a thread when you could (more quickly) just click on the first thread that says the same exact thing). It's clear that they want what they are saying to have an impact. Like wtf dude? I literally quoted your post. How did you miss that? lol
 
They are making these threads because they want people to know how frustrated they are. My point was that they can have virtually the same impact by simply adding to existing threads.
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A justification isn't the same thing as a reason for doing something.
 
To justify something means you're trying to prove that it was right or reasonable.
 
They're different things.
 
The reason they're making these threads is a very simple one, attention to vent their frustration. The justification is usually something like "Carbine owes me for my time", or "I'm bringing this problem to light, people need to know about it" or "This is unacceptable and carbine should be punished with this negative forum post"
 
Which yes, like you said, there are plenty of threads doing this. Which is why I said it was pseudo-rational. It's not a good justification.
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Mine is useless comment, like the rest of the 2 pages after the first.
 
But Good Job! getting the 2 extra pages in to thread "Mental Surge"
 
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It sucks indeed, but eventhough there have probably been aloads of clever people doing analysis of the expected increase in players, would you realy expect them to rent/buy extra hardware for something that isn't an absolute given?
 
Just look at it like this, downtime due to overpopulation of the servers, when is the last time you had that when it was p2p ?
Loads of people want in, wich means you'll get lots of new friends and enemies to play with, but for now you'll have to play by/with yourself for a bit until the the hardware is up to snuff.	
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The funny thing about "Saying whatever you want" and "Freedom of speech":
 	
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It sucks indeed, but eventhough there have probably been aloads of clever people doing analysis of the expected increase in players, would you realy expect them to rent/buy extra hardware for something that isn't an absolute given?
 
Just look at it like this, downtime due to overpopulation of the servers, when is the last time you had that when it was p2p ?
Loads of people want in, wich means you'll get lots of new friends and enemies to play with, but for now you'll have to play by/with yourself for a bit until the the hardware is up to snuff.
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And this isn't even a launch.
 
This is just a P2P going F2P.
 
The vast majority of games that made this transition had zero issues whatsoever.	
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I've logged on a few times since F2P and each it was close to unplayable each time.
It's clear that this is a really bad launch.
But in the other hand, a shitty launch doesn't tell anything about the game so I'm just waiting patiently until everything smooths out.	
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Since launch, I have tried every night to get into the game.
 
I've only had success getting to the character creation screen 4 times, and every one of those times I could not get a character finalized and I would time out from inactivity and lose the entire character, having to relog in (a couple of those times with a 20+ minute queue) and re-create my character from scratch.
 
Right now, it's been two days since I've seen the character creation screen - the game keeps timing out at "retrieving characters".
 
Yes, Wildstar Reloaded now has the crown for "Worst (Re)Launch in MMO History"
 
I am sooooooo very glad I didn't drop any money on this.
 
 
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			Not an MMO, but as far as launching a new product goes, this has them all beat, by far.	
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Yes, Wildstar Reloaded now has the crown for "Worst (Re)Launch in MMO History"
 
 
 
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