101736-i-have-9-prototype-schematics-need-126-eldan-data-fragments

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			You have got to be shitting me, I will be in raid gear by the time I can craft this useless stuff. I want more fragments.... yesterday. There is no game on the face of the earth that grinds out crafting like this.	
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			Apparently there's at least one game that does.	
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Apparently there's at least one game that does.
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			You won't need most of these, just focus on the ones that are better for you.	
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			In WoW, to craft the 2 553 items for your profession, you do the daily CD on mats for 3 weeks and then 4 weeks respectively. This is not something new in MMOs.	
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In WoW, to craft the 2 553 items for your profession, you do the daily CD on mats for 3 weeks and then 4 weeks respectively. This is not something new in MMOs.
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You can also accelerate that to one day if you buy the BoE items from disenchanting raid gear... there is also 0 RNG on the actual craft.  I'm not complaining, just making a point...that there is no comparison there.
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There's 0 RNG if you don't overcharge too.
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In WoW, to craft the 2 553 items for your profession, you do the daily CD on mats for 3 weeks and then 4 weeks respectively. This is not something new in MMOs.
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You have got to be shitting me, I will be in raid gear by the time I can craft this useless stuff. I want more fragments.... yesterday. There is no game on the face of the earth that grinds out crafting like this.
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That's a nitpick - iirc the entry level bue patterns generally needed spirit of harmony to buy which you could sit down and farm. These aren't raiding patterns/gear, these are entry level blues we are talking about here. Sure tailor/alch/inscription all had daily CDs but I don't remember needing 3+ weeks just to learn/craft 1 blue item.
 
Entry level crafted blues =/= end of expansion crafted raid level epics.
 
The only one I remember being very limited on a daily basis was my JC and she got 1 pattern/daily cd. The Eldan Fragment BS ends up at 1 pattern/~3 weeks for the 4th tier weapons.
I don't understand why we have a double gating system of tokens to buy the patterns AND then eldan fragments to even craft them (also RNG on if you get lucky and get 4-5 eldan fragments instead of 1). If we can't use the patterns we buy because we don't have enough fragements, why even require tokens to buy the patterns in the first place?
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You must be a bit out of touch.
 
We're talking about Purple 553 pieces. Each profession gets to make 2 of them Let's take Tailoring.
 
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=142964
 
and
 
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=142955
 
Take 21 and 28 Celestial Cloth. Celestial Cloth is a Daily CD unless you have Raid drops when you can craft more than 1 a day.
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Lmao. You're comparing i450 gear in WoW with research gear? i450 is vendor trash. It's so far behind the curve you wouldn't even do hc's in it. It's *awful*. 
 
Whereas you can raid in research gear. In fact it's BiS in some cases. You wouldn't even pass the LFR gear score check for ToT nvm SoO in i450. Crafted gear is meant to fill the gaps for those drops you don't get lucky with. You're not meant to hit 50, craft yourself a full set of BiS in 30 mins and PuG GA.
 
Fill the time between crafts with some Vets and get some gear that route too. Best of both worlds.	
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Lmao. You're comparing i450 gear in WoW with research gear? i450 is vendor trash. It's so far behind the curve you wouldn't even do hc's in it. It's *awful*.
 
Whereas you can raid in research gear. In fact it's BiS in some cases. You wouldn't even pass the LFR gear score check for ToT nvm SoO in i450. Crafted gear is meant to fill the gaps for those drops you don't get lucky with. You're not meant to hit 50, craft yourself a full set of BiS in 30 mins and PuG GA.
 
Fill the time between crafts with some Vets and get some gear that route too. Best of both worlds.
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			Moot point.  Crafting nerfs inbound by the time you can make these items no one will want them.	
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			Nothing is really changing with the crafting adjustments.	
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Crafting isn't being nerfed. You'll be able to create items of equal power using the new cores. Carbine didn't have time to finish tech research before going live so they gave us stronger crafts to make up for it whilst they sorted tech research. It was never meant to be as strong as it is with current cores - that's just a bandaid. 
 
The alternative was to make crafted gear utterly useless until tech research was completed. You'd get whiners either way.	
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Lmao. You're comparing i450 gear in WoW with research gear? i450 is vendor trash. It's so far behind the curve you wouldn't even do hc's in it. It's *awful*.
 
Whereas you can raid in research gear. In fact it's BiS in some cases. You wouldn't even pass the LFR gear score check for ToT nvm SoO in i450. Crafted gear is meant to fill the gaps for those drops you don't get lucky with. You're not meant to hit 50, craft yourself a full set of BiS in 30 mins and PuG GA.
 
Fill the time between crafts with some Vets and get some gear that route too. Best of both worlds.
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That's so true, and I empathize with you. However, we need to not lose sight of the fact that many folks made the grind to Expert crafter in one night. In that context, learning the Adventus Expert research patterns to get to the bottom of the tree and unlock all schematics *IS* the real grind. That's only 4 months or so, with no lucky 3 fragment days.
 
It sucks, but it's not the end of the world. I've done things in other games were I had to gather 25,000 pieces of a certain material, or salvage 10,000 pieces of gear, or run an alert (4 man instance, think adventure) 500 times.
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Find other crafters that focused on other parts.
 
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You can't be talking about DC, can you? :lol:
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			oddly enough most of the research gear is totally not worth it since refined starshard core on the 49/50 set tends to get just as strong or stronger than epochos/adventus with no charge wasted on potentially useless specialscrafting in this game is pretty borked honestly	
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You can't be talking about DC, can you?  :lol:
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			Don't even bother with them now. When the new patch launches, crafted gear won't be BiS anymore.	
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Don't even bother with them now. When the new patch launches, crafted gear won't be BiS anymore.
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			And the 4 and 5 sockets is what makes them BiS.	
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			A lot of people are overstating the value of that 4th and 5th socket, especially since their stat values are way decreased.  The items are BiS over epics because the stats you can overcharge to are just way better, it's not just the sockets.	
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wasn't referring to overcharge...but number of rune slots, type of rune slots, and whether you get more support or attack power (on weapons) as primary are all subject to RNG
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