123140-i-cant-believe-what-im-seeing

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			They combined the servers into Mega servers.  	
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So I just returned to the game and when I logged in I saw....2 servers?  Really?  Only 2 servers?
 
It's insane to me that a game this good has had a population drop like it has.  Sure it's not perfect but what game is?
 
Whatever it takes but I hope they don't abandon the game....it's got way too much potential imo. 	
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So I just returned to the game and when I logged in I saw....2 servers?  Really?  Only 2 servers?
 
It's insane to me that a game this good has had a population drop like it has.  Sure it's not perfect but what game is?
 
Whatever it takes but I hope they don't abandon the game....it's got way too much potential imo. 
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So I just returned to the game and when I logged in I saw....2 servers?  Really?  Only 2 servers?
 
It's insane to me that a game this good has had a population drop like it has.  Sure it's not perfect but what game is?
 
Whatever it takes but I hope they don't abandon the game....it's got way too much potential imo. 
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			Alas' It's a cruel world, but it turns out there just isn't a market for difficult, inaccessible p2p mmos.	
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Alas' It's a cruel world, but it turns out there just isn't a market for difficult, inaccessible p2p mmos.
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- wildstar is a new IP.
- wildstar is not really a game that focused on "RP". It is not a great solo rpg in itself.
- wildstar needs a very good computer to run properly.
- wildstar is not for your aunty or anybody with disabilities that hinder their twitchy gameplay.
- wildstar had huge design problems at release (especially PvP wise imo, but also Item progression).
 
 
basically, it will never be "the top dog".
all we basically want at this point is enough to be sustainable ! 	
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@ beattlebilly
 
Yeah I took the whole free to play thing out of my post before you even replied.  I decided I wanted to stay away from that.	
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What do you mean by "inaccessible"?
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			Well it's good to know that they joined servers into a mega server....I was confused when I saw only 2 servers.	
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Hard for the average player to partake in all of the content.
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Hard for the average player to partake in all of the content.
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Strange, I can't quote anyone for whatever reason....anyone know why that might be?
 
I click quote but it does nothing and if I click it, I can't even type in the reply box without doing a refresh.	
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Hard for the average player to partake in all of the content.
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Hard for the average player to partake in all of the content.
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How?  I was running vets with a bunch of casuals last night.  Nothing took over an hour and we didn't fail anything.
 
 
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Strange, I can't quote anyone for whatever reason....anyone know why that might be?
 
I click quote but it does nothing and if I click it, I can't even type in the reply box without doing a refresh.
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But that being said, isn't there content in just about any game that's not partaken/partakable by all the players?
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Strange, I can't quote anyone for whatever reason....anyone know why that might be?
 
I click quote but it does nothing and if I click it, I can't even type in the reply box without doing a refresh.
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yeah, me too. and i was carrying all the other dps with my raid gear and them dying at every bosses.
actually.. now is a good time for people to come back because most often than not there are 1 or 2 over geared players per run and it really make things easy.
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yeah, me too. and i was carrying all the other dps with my raid gear and them dying at every bosses.
actually.. now is a good time for people to come back because most often than not there are 1 or 2 over geared players per run and it really make things easy.
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Usually that kind of content comes with the prefix Hardmode/Savage/Mythic etc.. with a regular mode for the regular players.
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Browser problem or behind a proxy that prevents Javascript.
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The casuals Vic was running through were all in vet shiphands/crafted gear. I was there, too.  I am in mostly crafted and/or dropped from the daily zones gear and had no issues with any of it. Yeah there were a few deaths, but I blame the healer (I was the healer for some of them).
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For me the game was fun until they jacked me for a gun, because they took the Elder Gem progression gear out of the game just in time for me not to be able to earn my progression item which I had a kill for. So because I was capped and didn't have enough time to earn the Elder Gems I don't get the item. Now the only fun is doing daily quests and farming platinum. I honestly don't even want to raid now.
 
I'll just be a platinum farmer. I'm bored enough to do just that. I don't really need the gun but the point is they took something away from my account which I was working toward since I started playing the game. I think I should get something. You walled the reward off and didn't give me enough time to earn the Elder Gems to buy it.
 
Do you realize how many daily quests I farm?--too many to be walled off by a dumb cap!
 
I was going good--now I'm not--you are ruining the game for me.
 
How about them heartichoke plants, I know they're selling good. I think that might keep me busy for awhile, you know after I do my daily quests on all my level 50s. Maybe I'll just level some more 50s and just farm daily quests all day, twenty four hours a day and see how much platinum I can collect. That might be fun.
 
Do you realize how rich I'll be if I just stop gearing and focus on platinum farming?--this way I don't present another opportunity for you to, you know--jack me for another gun. I'll have to protect myself. And maybe, just maybe, if the game survives I'll just go buy all the guns I need. I can farm over one hundred platinum a week right now, by hand, with one level 50, now I have two. And I'm working on having three and then four and so on.
 
The farm game is way more interesting anyways, wish I would of never raided; the rewards are declining. It's not the items I'm after, it's the monies I want to chase. The items aren't that helpful to someone like me and besides I raided, I was a raider and look at where that got me...	
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			^ You do know they put equivalent weapons on some of the earlier bosses in GA now.	
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^ You do know they put equivalent weapons on some of the earlier bosses in GA now.
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For me the game was fun until they jacked me for a gun, because they took the Elder Gem progression gear out of the game just in time for me not to be able to earn my progression item which I had a kill for. So because I was capped and didn't have enough time to earn my Elder Gems I don't get the item. Now the only fun is doing daily quests and farming plat. I honestly don't even want to raid now.
 
I'll just be a plat farmer. I'm bored enough to do just that. I don't really need the gun but the point is they took something away from my account which I was working toward since I started playing the game. I think I should get something. You walled the reward off and didn't give me enough time to earn the Elder Gems to buy it.
 
Do you realize how many daily quests I farm?--too many to be walled off by a dumb cap!
 
I was going good--now I'm not--you are ruining the game for me.
 
How about them Heartichoke plants, I know they're selling good. I think that might keep me busy for awhile, you know after I do my daily quests on all my level 50s. Maybe I'll just level some more 50s and just farm daily quests all day, twenty four hours a day and see how much plat I can collect. That might be fun.
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That change was on the PTR long before it went live, and if I'm not mistake you can get equivalent/better from some of the Vet Dungeons(I vaguely remember someone mentioning Vet SSM?).
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Sadly no. You have much better access to weapons in the middle (around 1140 AP) but the 1214 AP convergence weapons are a much rarer drop now. My raid has seen more ohmna weapons than new convergence weapons, but that's just our experience. Some raids have had weapons drops out the wazoo.
 
I don't think it is a reason to stop raiding, but thats just me. Some people get discouraged much more easily.
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How?  I was running vets with a bunch of casuals last night.  Nothing took over an hour and we didn't fail anything.
 
 
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Let's be real everyone. Stop saying that by combining the servers made mega servers, as if its relevant to the extreme decline in population. CRB did a terrible job taking care of business for the first 8 months and that put a bad taste in peoples mouths. 
 
There are no people seen in leveling zones because 90% are STILL the ones sticking around waiting for the rest to comeback. I jumped on for about 5 minutes using my 10 day free pass after quitting a little over a month ago. Stop over hyping the game. Its great, but its clearly managed by a group that doesn't know what its doing fully. Just look at the login screen where they say 'welcome to proto games' bs. If they hadn't messed up and lost Frost, there would still be a pizazz of fun to be had because let's be real, frost brought most of us to the game, getting us to watch the class and gameplay videos during prelaunch over and over. I did it, I'll be honest,but its very evident that the same people aren't running the game as they did a year ago. I'm only thankful for Jen (the original PvP lead) is no longer handling serious duties as she has no idea how to set up PvP systems (clearly). Anyways, I'll be back in a few months to see if the new top devs can figure it out. Just as of all of you,I have high hopes for the game,but over hyping it for the OP is a waste of his time because he can see what's gone on simply by logging on, and reading the forums. GG	
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Let's be real everyone. Stop saying that by combining the servers made mega servers, as if its relevant to the extreme decline in population. CRB did a terrible job taking care of business for the first 8 months and that put a bad taste in peoples mouths.
 
There are no people seen in leveling zones because 90% are STILL the ones sticking around waiting for the rest to comeback. I jumped on for about 5 minutes using my 10 day free pass after quitting a little over a month ago. Stop over hyping the game. Its great, but its clearly managed by a group that doesn't know what its doing fully. Just look at the login screen where they say 'welcome to proto games' bs. If they hadn't messed up and lost Frost, there would still be a pizazz of fun to be had because let's be real, frost brought most of us to the game, getting us to watch the class and gameplay videos during prelaunch over and over. I did it, I'll be honest,but its very evident that the same people aren't running the game as they did a year ago. I'm only thankful for Jen (the original PvP lead) is no longer handling serious duties as she has no idea how to set up PvP systems (clearly). Anyways, I'll be back in a few months to see if the new top devs can figure it out. Just as of all of you,I have high hopes for the game,but over hyping it for the OP is a waste of his time because he can see what's gone on simply by logging on, and reading the forums. GG
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They call them "megaservers," now.
 
In reality though, there's one server left, it's called Entity, and it houses virtually all of the NA population, including the PvPers.
 
I play on Dominion Entity, and if this is a mega-server, other games must have super-massive-densely-populated-giganto-servers.	
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They call them "megaservers," now.
 
In reality though, there's one server left, it's called Entity, and it houses virtually all of the NA population, including the PvPers.
 
I play on Dominion Entity, and if this is a mega-server, other games must have super-massive-densely-populated-giganto-servers.
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> 2015
> Thinking only the US population matters	
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> 2015
> Thinking only the US population matters
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Strange, I can't quote anyone for whatever reason....anyone know why that might be?
 
I click quote but it does nothing and if I click it, I can't even type in the reply box without doing a refresh.
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They combined the servers into Mega servers.  
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People are still fooled by the "mega server" bit?
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So it's a mega server but it's not really a mega server?
 
It is....but not really?
 
Seriously do the servers hold a lot more than the originals did at launch or has the population really just dropped to two servers?	
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So it's a mega server but it's not really a mega server?
 
It is....but not really?
 
Seriously do the servers hold a lot more than the originals did at launch or has the population really just dropped to two servers?
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People are still fooled by the "mega server" bit?
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So it's a mega server but it's not really a mega server?
 
It is....but not really?
 
Seriously do the servers hold a lot more than the originals did at launch or has the population really just dropped to two servers?
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So it's a mega server but it's not really a mega server?
 
It is....but not really?
 
Seriously do the servers hold a lot more than the originals did at launch or has the population really just dropped to two servers?
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Essentially, it's a megaserver because if a zone takes on too many people, we get a new instance of that same zone.
 
I have no idea if we've ever hit that ratio yet.  I've had my player tracker kicking well up well above 200 people at Academy Corner in Thayd alone on a weeknight, so I don't know how often it has to spin off another zone instance.
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Probably not often, considering Dominion rarely boasts more than 60 people in a single area, and I'd say only 100 people in illium at a time during primetime.
 
But there are also lots of people out in instances, too.
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Don't mind you, all the bad PvP players now have access to 1800 gear because there was no incentive for anyone to que, and shockingly the ques are still pretty bad from what I hear, even after making that 1800 gear available.
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Essentially, it's a megaserver because if a zone takes on too many people, we get a new instance of that same zone.
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Pretty sure this will never be a problem. lol
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Seriously do the servers hold a lot more than the originals did at launch or has the population really just dropped to two servers?
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Yes, the bottleneck we had that limited our server capacity at launch, and all through beta, has been fixed.  We figured out what the max capacity of each realm was based on the Beta Stress Tests that we ran.  Those stress tests clearly showed us what was limiting our realm populations.  (I'm sure some of the players who were around for those stress tests can attest to what it was like to play on a realm that was "maxed out".)  That bottleneck started getting worked on immediately, but didn't actually get fixed until about 2 months after launch (it was a very hard problem to solve.)  Our current architecture can hold many times what our old architecture could.
 
For the record, instancing the world zones wasn't what we fixed, that was always there since before Alpha, it was more related to packet distribution and routing.  The PTR was actually running this code for quite a while before we announced we were switching to megaservers.
 
Yes, we did lose population, and yes we were going to merge the lowest pop realms, but when we were discussing doing that merger is when we said, "Well, now that we have this new tech, can we go to a single realm architecture?"  The answer was "yes", but we decided to stay with 2 so that we still had both PVP & PVE.  We decided to rename them from realms to megaserver to help avoid confusion about what we did, from a purely technical standpoint it is still a realm.  From an architectural standpoint we changed a whole lot of stuff to make the megaservers.  And they truly can handle many times the users that our old realm architecture could.
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They hold more.
Please don't lend your ear to the trolls and doomsayers everywhere.
We're not a second World of Warcraft, but the game is reviving and growing.
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mega servers can hold more than the original servers but this was because of tech introduced 2 months after launch not because of tech specifically designed for mega servers.
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So, I played for a month during the Summer and I came back today. All of my characters have been assigned to the PVP server, which is fine with me.
 
But it appears that it is not a "megaserver." In fact, it seems to be a ghost town. I am level 27 and there is basically no one in my level range online. Whitevale had 1 person in it, Wilderrun had no one.Should I just transfer all my characters to the PVE realm? I love world PVP and it is important to me in an MMO. I felt like I never got to experience it to its full potential in WildStar. But how many players does the PVE server have?	
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So, I played for a month during the Summer and I came back today. All of my characters have been assigned to the PVP server, which is fine with me.
 
But it appears that it is not a "megaserver." In fact, it seems to be a ghost town. I am level 27 and there is basically no one in my level range online. Whitevale had 1 person in it, Wilderrun had no one.
 
Should I just transfer all my characters to the PVE realm? I love world PVP and it is important to me in an MMO. I felt like I never got to experience it to its full potential in WildStar. But how many players does the PVE server have?
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So it's a mega server but it's not really a mega server?
 
It is....but not really?
 
Seriously do the servers hold a lot more than the originals did at launch or has the population really just dropped to two servers?
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I'd just like to point out that these two possibilities are not mutually exclusive, since there's still some discussion of architecture vs. impressions of population.
 
Pyaray has very graciously explained how the post-megaserver realms can hold many more people than the pre-megaserver realms did, but nowhere in there did he say that the population as it currently exists actually needs to utilize that kind of extra capacity.
 
Fingers crossed that someday it will be necessary, even if it isn't currently.
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Pretty sure this will never be a problem. lol
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