118283-exploits-and-you

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Hey Everyone,
 
I want to remind you all of Carbine’s stance on game-breaking exploits in WildStar. If you find a game system that seems to be providing rewards beyond what is reasonable, or can be manipulated to provide rewards beyond what is reasonable, it is your responsibility to report it to the CS or Community team and STOP using the exploit. While we understand that finding a quick way to boost your character can be exciting and the natural inclination may be to take advantage of it because it’s “just a game,” it is ultimately bad for the entire WildStar community if the abuse continues.
 
“What is reasonable?” you may ask. While not every player is a game designer or a mathematician, most can understand the concept of risk versus reward. The more risky or challenging an endeavor, the better the rewards should be. The flip side of that is that the more rewarding an endeavor, the riskier or more challenging it should be. If something is very easy or quickly repeatable in a short time, but gives out substantial rewards, it’s probably not working as intended. When in doubt, put in a ticket to ask Support, or contact Community via TheRedPhone@carbinestudios.com . Please DO NOT post in a public forum thread that will be visible to other players, as that can lead to the replication of the exploit, which can lead to wider suspensions or closures, which is ultimately bad for the entire community, as it impacts population.
 
If you choose to abuse an exploit you may be actioned, up to and including account closure. It pains me to have to write a message like this but we have had multiple incidents of players deciding that their own personal gain was more important than fair play alongside their fellow players, and we cannot have that.	
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So will you be making a statement about a rollback?  I don't really think that telling people exploiting is bad is really effective.  I'm pretty sure that everyone knows its exploiting and they're doing it anyway.
 
You need to respond with an issue of how to fix the situation, not telling the bad people not to be bad.	
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			Hello take down the CREDD servers / actual servers please	
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			There seriously needs to be a rollback or I will be unsubbing.  This is ridiculous.  	
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Seems they are doing what? Take game down so you can fix this issue.
 
 
Other top guilds on the PVE server exploit and carbine lets they stay. (Insert #1 Entiy PVE guild) can do what ever they want so its going to be hard to see such a double standard put in place here.	
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In general, will we see more action against exploiters? Honestly as much as some people consider it a generosity of Carbine not to straight out ban exploiters as there might be circumstances we're not aware of, I think it's infuriating as all hell to see such behaviour almost straight out being accepted by Carbine. Again, action speaks louder than words. The only exploit I've seen anyone get banned for was the Discharge exploit and possibly the Reap exploit. There has however been a plethora of exploits in the past and recently that's being overlooked (concerns the raiding scene as well). 
 
Nobody is above the law, even if they're your customers. 
 
EDIT: Also please for the love of god do a rollback or something alike. I basically lived off of Credd until now, so seeing prices fluctuate to 30 plat is disheartening and drive certain players away from the game. 30 plat is not feasible for even some of the most hardcore farmers. 	
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			Take down the servers now to prevent future damage...	
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Does this mean that warriors who use third-party programs or third-party scripts to automate hitting certain procs in their rotation will be detected and permanently banned?
 
Hypothetically asking, of course.  It's not like I know of anyone who uses a third party program to give them an unfair advantage on a daily basis and has yet to have any action taken against them.
 
Though it's kind of late, it would be a huge step in the right direction to see a redacted report (that just included a number and not names) of players that were banned for exploits and/or the use of illegal third-party programs (that automate gameplay).  Final Fantasy XIV does this-- it's one of the few things I think they did right, to let the community know action is indeed being taken (and not just an empty warning).  But, to be fair, they could have completely made up those reports each week for all I know.	
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You need to rollback the server. If you don't, you've really lost any sense you may have had...
 
There is no way you can leave the economy in the state it is in. Thousands of plat were produced and injected into the economy and all the high class item like ability/amp unlocks, rune fragments, eldan modules/flux, and credd, were all bought out and completely destroyed..and all the sellers of those got the 'counterfeit plat'. 
 
Just rollback, there will be a handful of complaints from exploiters, the rest will be happy that the game isn't destroyed.	
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			What I also want to know is we wait 3 months for this buggy as drop. Why did we even wait?	
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Yeah....
as much as I don't usually hop into the bandwagon I'm gonna go ahead and agree that rollbacks are in order....	
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			Rollback, let the perma ban hammer drop where it should. The exploiters knew what they were doing. 	
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			I support the rollback	
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			Please for the love of god rollback and ban those who are doing this..	
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Whatever this is, is not OK.
 
I also will not be OK with letting people keep their proceeds unless you hand out plat to everyone so we can all afford the new economy.	
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			Some cupcakes are about to get baked.	
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			I'll take full AMP / Ability Points and 100 runic modules as compensation if you're not going to rollback.	
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			Ban the people who abused the exploit, but everyone else was farming for modules so I won't be happy if my time was wasted like that. Perhaps mailing everyone an amount of modules? I don't know.
			
				
	Edited November 13, 2014 by BusterCasey
	
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			We all need to petition this roll back and let Carbine know the community supports it. It is something that happens with game servers and this rollback is a must.	
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			entity, warhound credd prices 30plat in a single morning, carbine you need to do something like NOW!	
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Ban the people who abused the exploit, but everyone else was farming for modules so I won't be happy if my time was wasted like that. Perhaps mailing everyone an amount of modules? I don't know.
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In general, will we see more action against exploiters? Honestly as much as some people consider it a generosity of Carbine not to straight out ban exploiters as there might be circumstances we're not aware of, I think it's infuriating as all hell to see such behaviour almost straight out being accepted by Carbine. Again, action speaks louder than words. The only exploit I've seen anyone get banned for was the Discharge exploit and possibly the Reap exploit. There has however been a plethora of exploits in the past and recently that's being overlooked (concerns the raiding scene as well). 
 
Nobody is above the law, even if they're your customers. 
 
EDIT: Also please for the love of god do a rollback or something alike. I basically lived off of Credd until now, so seeing prices fluctuate to 30 plat is disheartening and drive certain players away from the game. 30 plat is not feasible for even some of the most hardcore farmers. 
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Roll back please, even to just 24 hrs or to last hotfix (but please announce if you intend to). I myself have not participated in such a ludicrous and blatant exploit. Either way, please roll back, otherwise economy and the game itself are basically ruined (and perma ban people who chose to exploit this to the max, they are a stain to the wildstar community).
 
- Also, you will have to note that people would of made money out of this who were not directly involved either, putting auctions up innocently and having them bought willy nilly due to someone doing this exploit (problem proliferates)	
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You guys have to do a rollback. The economy has already tanked beyond repair. You will not ban all of them. You say your going to, but you wont. You might get close, but you will not get them all.
 
A Rollback is the ONLY thing that is going to save this game at this point.
 
No Rollback = RIP Wildstar	
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Get that resume ready Donatelli, this is going to be a big one 
 
 
but seriously can we get an executive decision to disable housing at least?  i mean christ how long does it take	
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			In this case, I'd just support whatever has to be done to put everything back in normal. Better than losing more people due to exploits and a lack of affordable CREDD.	
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*cupcake* u and ur roll back spent hours last night farming my rune slot  shit getting awsome slots and doing that all over again *cupcake* that i will quit along with all the others who farmed there shit the legit way
 	
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			Pls rollback and ban some of the abusers this is ridiculous. 	
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			in these last 2 days i have gotten pretty awesome drop for my stalker tank set, as happy as i am with them, im completely ok with them dissapearing if that means a rollback is done to fix the economy and as result, credd prices, im also a credd player and there is no way i can affort 30 plat with the time i play	
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			Servers need to come down and a roll back needs to happen ASAP.  I'm not sure why you left them up once you learned about the exploit.  Prices on something have more than quadrupled over night, even things like rune set.s	
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			Honestly to the people against a rollback, I'm going to be frank here and tell you to just take it up the arse this time. Long term this will be devastating as hell for the economy. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. 	
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			on top of a roll back to drop 3 release you could also make it so the drops do not happen in normal modes of dungeons so we can actually que for dungeons.....	
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Honestly to the people against a rollback, I'm going to be frank here and tell you to just take it up the arse this time. Long term this will be devastating as hell for the economy. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. 
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I'm at work so I can't log in to see the state of the game economy myself, but if what everyone says is accurate, then I fully support a rollback, even if it means rolling all the way back to Drop 3 release and I lose all the progress I made farming eldan runic modules and raiding GA since then (and I got four drops from one clearing of floor 1 GA! Helps to be the only esper in raid.) I'd rather lose a couple days' progress than watch the game fall apart.
 
I understand a rollback makes the game look bad, especially with the current competition, but stuff happens. At least the community will see that you'll do what it takes to preserve stability in the game, which is essential for players to have fun in an MMORPG and continue playing it for the long-term. Most of us don't expect you to be perfect, we just want a fun game to come home to.  Compensate with boom-boxes, eldan runic modules/runic elemental flux, whatever you see fit, but please announce your intentions soon.	
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			Kind of timely that this exploit suddenly rears its head as soon as mining nodes get levels affixed to them.  I wonder if that's just coincidental because this patch opened a hole, or if this was someone's plan B.	
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			take the servers down... announce something.. do something before people freak out!	
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I understand a rollback makes the game look bad, especially with the current competition, but stuff happens. At least the community will see that you'll do what it takes to preserve stability in the game, which is essential for players to have fun in an MMORPG and continue playing it for the long-term.
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“What is reasonable?” you may ask. While not every player is a game designer or a mathematician, most can understand the concept of risk versus reward. The more risky or challenging an endeavor, the better the rewards should be. The flip side of that is that the more rewarding an endeavor, the riskier or more challenging it should be. If something is very easy or quickly repeatable in a short time, but gives out substantial rewards, it’s probably not working as intended. When in doubt, put in a ticket to ask Support, or contact Community via TheRedPhone@carbinestudios.com . Please DO NOT post in a public forum thread that will be visible to other players, as that can lead to the replication of the exploit, which can lead to wider suspensions or closures, which is ultimately bad for the entire community, as it impacts population.
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			Wow, you really took a strong stance there asking people to pretty please not exploit. I spent a ton of my time getting 300+ platinum through farming. If the servers aren't rolled back, you will not see another dime of my money.	
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			So why did we wait 3 months for this to happen? Carbine you better be firing people or doing something.	
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Kind of timely that this exploit suddenly rears its head as soon as mining nodes get levels affixed to them.  I wonder if that's just coincidental because this patch opened a hole, or if this was someone's plan B.
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So is that why everyone was solo farming normal STL up until this exploit?
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Normal dungeons should not drop the items needed because the ques would be popping faster if everyone wasnt just in solo KV. and the ques only seem to pop for KV now.. So this system needs to be worked on and after this long ass wait I am not surprised to see the same Q&A (oh wait did I say Q&A I meant just throw it up and see how it is live with a shit ton of players and hope its a good system way of life..)
 
I am worked up and upset about this I was going to farm my slots today and get back into the raid tonight but honestly dont know what to do and the announcement wasn't telling anyone whats up.. Please address the issue... more so then it has been.	
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“What is reasonable?” you may ask. While not every player is a game designer or a mathematician, most can understand the concept of risk versus reward. The more risky or challenging an endeavor, the better the rewards should be. The flip side of that is that the more rewarding an endeavor, the riskier or more challenging it should be. If something is very easy or quickly repeatable in a short time, but gives out substantial rewards, it’s probably not working as intended. When in doubt, put in a ticket to ask Support, or contact Community via TheRedPhone@carbinestudios.com . Please DO NOT post in a public forum thread that will be visible to other players, as that can lead to the replication of the exploit, which can lead to wider suspensions or closures, which is ultimately bad for the entire community, as it impacts population.
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Are you suggesting that this was intentional so they could redact the harvesting levels?
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Rollback is not the answer.
 
Theres alot of work lost for some of us.  For instance I went from 40 to 50 on an alt, and did god knows how much work on my plots....
 
Solution:  Ban the exploiters and fix the problem they caused without screwing people that played legit.	
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  I don't think this adorable public service announcement level of threatening post is about STL.
 
  I think its about the infinite plat garden loop.
 
 
  The great mystery to me is why don't MMO companies set up a "WALL OF SHAME" page where they list the character names of people who have been perma-banned? Nothing would improve the morale of the larger community more than having these people essentially being put in stocks in the commons for public ridicule. Mysterious, maybe action just doesn't convince anyone that fair play is actually being held up over short term profits.	
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I mean...I know I'm not allowed to know what it is but threads like this always make me nosy, like I'm missing out on some juicy gossip.
 
(Wide eyes and cocked head) what did the bad people do?
 
(Disclaimer I'm not actually asking to be told, just pointing out these things always make me nosy :D)	
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Well this news is a bummer.  Good luck on finding a graceful solution to this... it's not going to be easy, and I don't see any way that isn't going to *cupcake* people off :(
 
I hope you guys have very good tracking of coins/items and the exchange of them.	
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			the doing of nothing for this long is going to kill the game, when you keep a population of hardcore gamers in the dark without any show of progress towards a resolution they start to think you dont care about them or the game. You need to do something or announce something very quickly.	
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			Carbine's lack of response to this other then don't exploit is starting to get worrisome.	
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 I'm pretty sure that everyone knows its exploiting and they're doing it anyway.
 
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Tick tock Carbine every hour you keep us in the dark the worse it gets.  Every hour you do nothing the worse it gets and the more work the players do is lost.
 
If there was ever a time to be very active with us and updates its right here right now.	
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Carbine's lack of response to this other then don't exploit is starting to get worrisome.
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No, I'm suggesting that, contrary to my earlier statements, they may have actually had an immediate reason to impose harvesting level limits.  I just assumed this came with the drop, but maybe someone can't harvest plat the way they used to.
 
Either way, I'm all for the righteous banhammering of anyone using this exploit.  I'm just glad I've got 2FA.  Something may have been flushed out of the woodwork.
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			They are most likely having a meeting and discussing their options...there are various things they could do. I think at this point there is no doubt the community is in favour of a rollback and Carbine's worries can be put to rest. Keep expressing your opinions and get your friends to share their views on the situation if they have any, and hopefully Carbine's comes to their inevitable decision sooner rather than later.	
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Be reasonable folks: They have to be mulling over how to deal with this in a way that doesn't end up with them having to give out free play time.
 
They can't lock down the servers while awaiting hotfix. They don't want to roll back if there is even the slightest possibility of avoiding it.
 
That leaves them with vague threats/damage control and banning the individual offenders as fast as they can identify them while scrambling to write a hotfix. The parts of that that are visible, we're seeing. The parts that aren't visible are probably going on right now.	
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They are most likely having a meeting and discussing their options...there are various things they could do. I think at this point there is no doubt the community is in favour of a rollback and Carbine's worries can be put to rest. Keep expressing your opinions and get your friends to share their views on the situation if they have any, and hopefully Carbine's comes to their inevitable decision sooner rather than later.
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			Economy is ruined now. I spent most of my time since drop 3 improving my slots on my gear. A rollback may fix the economy, but it won't get my runeslots back. Not sure what they should do.	
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Lets put roll backs into context: assuming we take them at their word they have 200k subscribers with a base cost of 15 dollars per month, every free day they have to give out as a result of roll backs is literally $100,000 pissed into the wind. With this having spun up 2 days ago, we're already looking at over a quarter of a million dollars GONE if they resort to rollbacks.
 
That's how far down the apocalypse flowchart things have to fall before they even vaguely consider it. Bans, fixes, and detangling the marketplace by hand if necessary are WAY less damaging to the company than the poison cocktail of days of free game time + every innocent player in the game having their legitimate activities erased back to patch day + plus the bad press field day of the Drop 3 being delayed two months for bug fixes only to contain the most degenerate bugs to date.
 
Seriously, let them get out a mop and a dust pan rather than leaping straight for the nuclear option ;).	
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			The game isn't healthy enough to survive a rollback, especially with WoD in play and SWTOR's expac around the corner. Those of you calling for a rollback are out of your mind, you're essentially asking the Dev team to kill their own game.Not gonna happen.	
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There not gonna pull the servers down in primetime, most likely there gonna wait till NA is hitting midnight.
Chill the *cupcake* out!	
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Ok so this exploit has been in the game probably since beta(?).
 
The method was shared 4 weeks ago on the wildstar subreddit, deleted by a mod after a day~, fastforward to drop3 and you haven't fixed it yet.
 
100 pages of bugfixes yet I can find new bugs in the first 10 seconds of logging in, you are helpless.	
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			On my Twitter account from Wildstar: We are aware of the gold exploit and are working on a hotfix. Details here: http://ow.ly/EeULw 	
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Is anyone who did it going to get in trouble? Someone informed me of it and I tested it but only generated like 200 heartichoke before I got scared and said F it.
 
(Though unsurprisingly I had like a million heartichoke COD'd to me given that I advertise that I buy any amount at XX silver each).	
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Is anyone who did it going to get in trouble? Someone informed me of it and I tested it but only generated like 200 heartichoke before I got scared and said F it.
 
(Though unsurprisingly I had like a million heartichoke COD'd to me given that I advertise that I buy any amount at XX silver each).
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Ok so this exploit has been in the game probably since beta(?).
 
The method was shared 4 weeks ago on the wildstar subreddit, deleted by a mod after a day~, fastforward to drop3 and you haven't fixed it yet.
 
100 pages of bugfixes yet I can find new bugs in the first 10 seconds of logging in, you are helpless.
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Can't be the same exploit. This one causes damage to the whole game way to quickly. There wouldn't be a Wildstar if that exploit has been around that long.
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			Can someone aware me on what it was? considering realms are down and it's getting fixed? just very curious :)	
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Can someone aware me on what it was? considering realms are down and it's getting fixed? just very curious :)
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No player has been permanently banned for exploiting since the game went live.
 
This includes Architect selling to npc for Elder gems and the other fun stuff.
 
 
Since the majority of those doing the exploits are in hardcore raiding guilds, this wont change as they are Wildstar's target audience and Carbine will tread very carefully on cutting its income by removing them from the pool.
 
 
Sad, but true.	
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No player has been permanently banned for exploiting since the game went live.
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Not all but a lot of the top level guilds trying to get around the system or beat the system in ways other than intended is in their nature.
 
While it wasn't all of the hardcore raiders it sounds like those types of people on Warhound were involved.	
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Can someone aware me on what it was? considering realms are down and it's getting fixed? just very curious :)
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Getting to keep all of your items and only have your remaining plat taken, is a win for cheaters.
Keeping your amp points, ability points, food, boosts, modules, and everything else you stocked up on while super rich, means cheaters win in this game.
The moral of the story that I see here is, exploit if you are willing to take a 3 day ban, as there is a lot of profit, with little repercussion.
 
PvP carrying from back before PvP was dead, and exploits, appear to be the best way to make money in this game.  I wish this wasn't the case.
 
If Carbine really made these exploiters suffer, and took away ALL of their ill-gotten gains, don't you think we would see a bunch of threads full of QQ from them trying to convince us that Carbine took too much from them?  I'm not seeing those threads (not yet anyway).	
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			Discussion with carbine continued here: https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/118684-the-economics-of-exploitation-and-you/	
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			So... Getting really close to 50 and knowing the need to farm a certain rune related iten that drops via Dungeons and is dropping on Regular lvl 20 dungeons, i gotta ask... Is running the regular Dungeon over and over again for those rune materials considered an exploit?It seems to fit the description as it would take a lot more time to complete the vet dungeons/adventures to get the same reward, if you are looking only for those rune materials. Just wanted to confirm to avoid any trouble. While i wait a confirmation, i will be getting my butt kicked by the vet dungeons.	
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i gotta ask... Is running the regular Dungeon over and over again for those rune materials considered an exploit?
 
 
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Yep I'm a CREDD player and I can't afford 30p for CREDD, especially now that they nerfed harvesting nodes.
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