101704-forum-issue-guild-recruitment

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I am NOT a fan of you guys merging all guild recruitment threads from all servers together in one forum. It makes it hard to find a guild on the server you want to play on.
 
 
CHANGE IT BACK, who ever had the idea to do that it was dumb, smack them on the nose with a rolled up paper and tell them to not do that again.
 
 
Seriously change it back all you've done is make it exceedingly hard to find a guild on your server now.  There was zero reason for this asinine change.	
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Can Chua have stuff?
 
Chua was confused at first, but with new tag system, Chua think make bit of sense.	
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Can Chua have stuff?
 
Chua was confused at first, but with new tag system, Chua think make bit of sense.
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No it absolutely doesn't Its stupid, and just makes things unnecessarily complicated. Also no you can not have my stuff I'm not quitting.
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			Nope Vehemently against this change to the forums and if I have to I'll fight it by making Guild recruitment posts on my forums until it's changed back or I'm banned, and then I'll go and make new accounts and continue doing it. It's stupid there was zero reason for doing it and they just gutted a lot of the community on the server forums by doing this. So change it the Frak back.	
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Hello,
 
Players had made a request to see more casual conversation allowed on their server forums, which were drowned out by numerous recruitment posts. On that same note, there were many duplicate posts, as guilds tried to recruit from other servers. By allowing all guilds to stay in one section of the forums, and with the helpful addition of tags, players can instead search for exactly what sort of guild they're looking for. Especially if they haven't settled on a server yet, or are considering transferring. 
 
I hope this helps explain our decision a bit. We really want servers to become communities, with conversations. 
 
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Hello,
 
Players had made a request to see more casual conversation on their server forums, which were drowned out by numerous recruitment posts. On that same note, there were many duplicate posts, as guilds tried to recruit from other servers. By allowing all guilds to stay in one section of the forums, and with the helpful addition of tags, players can instead search for exactly what sort of guild they're looking for. Especially if they haven't settled on a server yet, or are considering transferring. 
 
I hope this helps explain our decision a bit. We really want servers to become communities, with conversations. 
 
- Team WildStar 
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			Wonder why they chose to do it this way rather than put recruitment sub-forums in each realm forum.	
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It's a bad move, people of my age, perhaps a small % of the playing population know nothing about tags or hashing etc.
 
Thank goodness im not new to the game looking for a guild.	
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I can understand seperating out guild recruitment and discussion to allow people to build server community. However guilds are a major part of a server community and it needs to be clear which guilds are which servers. Tags are a partial solution but what is wrong with adding server rather than regional guild recruitment forums? Why does every have to be shoved in one place with no notice?
 
The reason I would prefer server based forums rather than tags as there is simply no community feel to the current system. You can not just glance in and see who you are playing along side. It is much more pleasent to be able to to one forum and see the people I am going to be interacting with.	
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Wonder why they chose to do it this way rather than put recruitment sub-forums in each realm forum.
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			@ Chilla 'players had made requests'  which forum did these requests appear on?	
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@ Chilla 'players had made requests'  which forum did these requests appear on?
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and why oh why dont you just say,
 
We are thinking of doing this, does anyone have constructive commentry, before doing it.
If you did I apologise and you can have my cake and eat it.	
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THIS would have made sense. It just reeks of incompetence.
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THIS would have made sense. It just reeks of incompetence.
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@ Chilla 'players had made requests'  which forum did these requests appear on?
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Yeah I'd also like links to these "requests" I'm calling BS
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I can pass that information along, and see if I can't get more clarification as to the specifics of the change besides what I've already posted above (note, I'm the messenger here and was just trying to help clarify. I didn't make the change personally). 
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Scott.....might wanne tone down a little bit.....
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Oh no I'm pissed now. You get to see Pissed Scott now.
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			*Hugs* Scott, passes a drink and some cake	
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How? The prefix tags made it easier to search!  (I already posted about tags on this thread)
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			Good thing no one went sparta on the messenger...	
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Actually, this makes sense to me.  Considering servers are just divisions now, people will jump servers to be in a guild they like without much thought.  I don't see the problem with putting all the guild ads in one place and then allowing you to filter by server.  It's not like your server isn't in your guild ad somewhere to begin with if you're on the forums.
 
And this would cut down on the unnecessary fat of people reposting on every single server forum in order to recruit off-server.
 
This makes a lot of sense given the current state of the MMORPG market.  With server transfers being so prevalent now and with so many game functions operating cross-server, it seems almost redundant to separate them out by server.  What's a server anymore?  With the exception of Evindra and maybe the divisions between PVP and PVE servers, they don't function as microcosms the way they used to.	
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There's approximately 4 posts with any relevance on the Orias server forums that have been made since release. Two of them are just general chatter. One of them was asking for an 1800 PvP ratings carry. Pushing all these recruitment posts into a consolidated area somewhere other than the intended server will not help recruitment at all, it will kill it.
 
Anyone who needed information on builds, dungeons, housing, etc. was already going to that respective forums.
 
Tags you say?
 
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How many people could find the answers to their simple problems by using Google and don't use it? That's why having to search is a bad idea.
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Scott.....might wanne tone down a little bit.....
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Out of all the needless, asinine, and baffling changes...what exactly was the point in this? There are so many other things that could have been fixed, but to merge all recruitment posts in one forum making everything a cluster*mess* makes no sense at all. Could have made separate recruitment subforums for each realm, if this was really that much of an issue. People tend to chat in those topics, it's a part of realm community. The recruitment threads were where the realm chatter happened. And now it's gone. Actions that lack logic really, really get to me.  :huh:
 
If double posts and visibility were that much of a problem, could have been deleting the doubles and the posts from other realms...and made a universal formatting requirement for forum titles.
 
Change it back, please.	
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I can pass that information along, and see if I can't get more clarification as to the specifics of the change besides what I've already posted above (note, I'm the messenger here and was just trying to help clarify. I didn't make the change personally). 
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Out of all the needless, asinine, and baffling changes...what exactly was the point in this? There are so many other things that could have been fixed, but to merge all recruitment posts in one forum making everything a cluster*mess* makes no sense at all. Could have made separate recruitment subforums for each realm, if this was really that much of an issue. People tend to chat in those topics, it's a part of realm community. The recruitment threads were where the realm chatter happened. And now it's gone. Actions that lack logic really, really get to me.  :huh:
 
If double posts and visibility were that much of a problem, could have been deleting the doubles and the posts from other realms...and made a universal formatting requirement for forum titles.
 
Change it back, please.
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It's going to be nothing but a "bump" fest.
 
My guild has been recruiting non-stop because of the thread we had in the Evindra server section. Even with the slow-down of subs, we *still* had over 20 people on at peak last night. So many of our recruits tell me "I saw you on the forums" ...
 
Oh well. So much for that.
 
If they weren't in one giant lump, maybe it wouldn't seem so terrible (and it is terrible). But then again, if they're gonna put 'em together by server, why the hell just not leave them where they were?
 
Seriously, now I am COMPELLED to find something "topical" to say about the guild every single day, just so I can stay on the top page. Ludicrous.	
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It's going to be nothing but a "bump" fest.
 
My guild has been recruiting non-stop because of the thread we had in the Evindra server section. Even with the slow-down of subs, we *still* had over 20 people on at peak last night. So many of our recruits tell me "I saw you on the forums" ...
 
Oh well. So much for that.
 
If they weren't in one giant lump, maybe it wouldn't seem so terrible (and it is terrible). But then again, if they're gonna put 'em together by server, why the hell just not leave them where they were?
 
Seriously, now I am COMPELLED to find something "topical" to say about the guild every single day, just so I can stay on the top page. Ludicrous.
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No it doesn't It's a stupid change just delete the duplicate threads. You've literally gutted the server forums. There were a lot of server centric casual conversations happening on those threads,
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			Ask your web people to pull the metrics on tag usage.  I don't think they are as useful as you guys think.  Realm Subforums are the natural and expected place to find Guild Recruitment topics.	
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That or do a second morning coffee thread everyday on the server forum that acts as a veiled recruitment thread. Since they want to dorce our hand... Dude Tex this has me so close to going War Siren on them it"s unreal.
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			I thought the original plan was to give each Realm forum its own recruitment subforum. This would clearly be the best option.	
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Yeah man, this is pretty lame. I dunno if it's worth getting all "DCUO" up in here though. :lol:
 
I mean, we're doing okay right now, but damn, who knows what the future holds? And what if no one bumps it for like a month, then we do ... now we're "necroing" threads and have our thread locked down for breaking the rules? Or two months? Or three?
 
I *know* I am not the only Guildmaster willing to do pretty much whatever it takes to stay visible and relevant. It's gonna come down to who can get the most guildies to keep bumping the thread. Smaller guilds are going to be completely crammed out of the spotlight and larger guilds are going to spam-bump themselves to keep it that way.
 
At least on the server level it's no big thing, since there are only so many guilds competing for attention. But *EVERY GUILD IN THE GAME*!?!?!
 
Ugh. This was as good a move as removing the old "Costuming On The Fly" system. Which is to say, not a good move at all.
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Is it really that hard on Evindra?  I figured if people were on Evindra, they were on it generally to RP.  It's not like people who are playing on Evindra aren't going to specifically be looking for a guild on our server, if anything.  I mean, between PVE and PVP server otherwise?  It's not a huge difference, but we are the only RP server.
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Wait, so someone clarify this for me please:
 
 
Are both EU and NA shoved into 1 forum on the guild recruitment?
 
(because they cant even xfer to each other...)	
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Wait, so someone clarify this for me please:
 
 
Are both EU and NA shoved into 1 forum on the guild recruitment?
 
(because they cant even xfer to each other...)
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Wait, so someone clarify this for me please:
 
 
Are both EU and NA shoved into 1 forum on the guild recruitment?
 
(because they cant even xfer to each other...)
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No. They each have their own. 
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It's not hard *for us* ... at the moment. Who knows what next month will bring?
 
I did do a fly-by through the AH/CX area last night during prime time, and to be honest, it's the first time I can remember thinking we had more people in GChat than the AH area had people.
 
Things *are* slowing down. I'm not gloom-n-dooming or anything, but it *was* very noticeable.
 
Regardless, having every guild in the game competing to be seen against every other guild in the game is not going to be the cup of awesome whomever thought of this terrible idea was expecting.
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Are both EU and NA shoved into 1 forum on the guild recruitment?
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Thayd's Academy Corner AH/CX/Crafting corner was packing probably 50+ people at 1am before I went to bed.
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			Just look at the mess in there though. The tags are not making things any easier either, they're extremely hard to read and too obtrusive for a topic title.	
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Just look at the mess in there though. The tags are not making things any easier either, they're extremely hard to read and too obtrusive for a topic title.
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			Hold on just a minute. What did the Germans do to receive exactly what is being asked here - separate recruitment sub-forums for each realm? *picks up a Chua and gets ready to start throwing*	
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			It'd have been a much better idea to simply add a "Guild" subforum to each server forum	
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			I've taken a few to cooldown and no this is still incredibly stupid.... like were you guys affraid to tell the person that came up with this Idea it was a stupid Idea Chillia or did they not even get your opinions and just went with it?	
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Hold on just a minute. What did the Germans do to receive exactly what is being asked here - separate recruitment sub-forums for each realm? *picks up a Chua and gets ready to start throwing*
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I've taken a few to cooldown and no this is still incredibly stupid.... like were you guys affraid to tell the person that came up with this Idea it was a stupid Idea Chillia or did they not even get your opinions and just went with it?
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Hold on just a minute. What did the Germans do to receive exactly what is being asked here - separate recruitment sub-forums for each realm? *picks up a Chua and gets ready to start throwing*
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You know what WS needs...
 
A robust in game guild recruitment tab.
 
ie. advert your guild with goals/player count/class requests/hardcore/casual/leveling/PvP/PvE/RP/etc etc in a nicely designed tab dedicated for that.
 
No more spamming a messy forum or annoying people in public chat channels? Empower guild leaders/officers with the tools to help them recruit while in game?
 
Imagine the possibilities!	
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Well, this works on two levels:
 
A: If forums are not the primary way to find a guild nowadays in the era of modern social media (they aren't)
 
B: If realms no longer really matter and cross-realm recruiting is the norm rather than the exception (it is)
 
Both of these would be completely invalidated by one possibility, though:
 
C: If despite A and B, there is still enough guild recruitment and population in this game that one forum is going to be far too cluttered.
 
I have a feeling C might be the case, if not today, than definitely in the future. IF this game grows at all over time, this solution will eventually become completely inadequate.
 
 
 
Well, I know this much; I hate being in a packed crowd trying to craft. I do as much as I can at my house, and Carbine's doing what they can to move more functions there.
 
Academy Corner is for poor students, not well-funded assas-.. I mean, businesspeople.
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I disagree. This game especially is not PuG friendly and finding the right bunch of people on a server type and server you enjoy is important. This new system neutars small guilds completely
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That's easy to answer.
 
 
They won the World Cup.
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I disagree. This game especially is not PuG friendly and finding the right bunch of people on a server type and server you enjoy is important. This new system neutars small guilds completely
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Forums themselves are ancient forms of social media.  I know I could have, if I'd wanted to, been in a guild already without ever having checked the forums.  And we have to be honest, forums are old hat themselves.  We are a small portion of the actual playerbase that consider this a primary form of communication for fans of the game.  I mean, five years ago, that might have been untrue, but these days forums are for a lot of us old fogies that never made the leap completely to the new bevy of social media, and are trying to follow links from guild recruitment threads here to the actual guild forums.
 
Unless there are a complete deluge of threads in that one forum, I don't see this being a crippling problem.
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Wonder why they chose to do it this way rather than put recruitment sub-forums in each realm forum.
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Dunno if it's been posted yet, but a big reason was to hide the lack of activity on the dead servers and smash it all together to create increased perceived activity.
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That was not one of the reasons. Please do not outright lie about why this change was implemented. 
 
- Team WildStar 
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That was not one of the reasons. Please do not outright lie about why this change was implemented. 
 
- Team WildStar 
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Then how about a good reason that server specific sub-forums weren't created for guild recruitment instead of mashing hundreds of guild recruitment posts together. We have recruited well over 80% of our guild members from the forums. This won't happen any more even with tags. This was a bad change and one of the very few things I would complain about in this game.
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			BusterCasey explained it here in the Pergo server section yesterday. 	
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BusterCasey explained it here in the Pergo server section yesterday. 
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BusterCasey explained it here in the Pergo server section yesterday. 
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Okay, since you're answering questions.
How come the non english speaking part of the realms have guild recruitment in their realm subforum and we english speaking servers don't? I think a majority of the complaints here have to deal with the fact that everyone's is mushed together- which makes NO sense.
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They're run by a completely different team. I know that's not the answer you're looking for - but that's the plain and simple of it. 
 
Please understand I *am* bringing up these comments and concerns in my report, I can't promise anything will change but it was just supposed to be something nice (as you can see by the response on the Pergo forums) and it snowballed into something much larger. The EN team is not in yet this morning, so things need some time to be discussed. :)
 
- Team WildStar 
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They're run by a completely different team. I know that's not the answer you're looking for - but that's the plain and simple of it. 
 
Please understand I *am* bringing up these comments and concerns in my report, I can't promise anything will change but it was just supposed to be something nice (as you can see by the response on the Pergo forums) and it snowballed into something much larger. The EN team is not in yet, and these things need some time to be discussed. :)
 
- Team WildStar 
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Thanks for being the messenger, Chillia. I know that's a rough spot, nobody wants to give others bad news, especially about a reaction to something they did. I do appreciate how you handle your position.
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Thank you.
 
One more question.
I'm the guild master of the largest and most active guild on Lightspire EU. We tend to host server wide events and invite people over, but it's all under the Venus Rising tag. Am I still allowed to post rp events involving my guild on the general part of our server forums?
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Please do! Yes, that's exactly what we want to happen on them. 
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They're run by a completely different team. I know that's not the answer you're looking for - but that's the plain and simple of it. 
 
Please understand I *am* bringing up these comments and concerns in my report, I can't promise anything will change but it was just supposed to be something nice (as you can see by the response on the Pergo forums) and it snowballed into something much larger. The EN team is not in yet, and these things need some time to be discussed. :)
 
- Team WildStar 
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A majority of my members I've recruited through forums. Your argument? invalid.
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It's hard to deal with sometimes, but it is true that forum users are a dying breed.  Of the probably 20-30 people in my little circle that plays Wildstar, I'm the only one here.  Trafficestimator.com shows the domain forums.wildstar-online.com has received about 2,396,200 visits (not visitors) in the last 30 days to all parts of the domain, not to just guild recruitment.  Divide that up, and you get a number just shy of 80k visits a day.  Which means every time Wildstar's team posts to their twitter feed, they roughly reach 12,000 more people in one post than their forums get views in a whole day.  They have 256k likes on Facebook (God only knows how many are following).  Even the Reddit for the month between June and July is at about 7million for the month.
 
I mean, we have to face facts.  I don't like Facebook, Reddit, or Twitter, but I'm under no illusion that we constitute even a large minority of Wildstar players here on the forums.  There may be enough to invite people to your guild, but obviously these forums are a very small pond.  You'd be better off advertising on their FB, Reddit, or Twitter than posting here if you were actually trying to get volume.
 
I don't know what else to tell you, it's been this way at least for five years now.  Companies like NCSoft keep forums up specifically for those of us who never leapt into the new social mediasphere, so at least the people you attract on here will be like-minded, usually.  However, if Carbine feels like their guild recruitment format is a good move, it's probably because they've looked at our forum traffic and thought that the best shot for actually recruiting for a guild was on one page, rather than one per server.  I don't have any reason to doubt them out of hand.
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I don't have any reason to doubt them out of hand.
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It's hard to deal with sometimes, but it is true that forum users are a dying breed.  Of the probably 20-30 people in my little circle that plays Wildstar, I'm the only one here.  Trafficestimator.com shows the domain forums.wildstar-online.com has received about 2,396,200 visits (not visitors) in the last 30 days to all parts of the domain, not to just guild recruitment.  Divide that up, and you get a number just shy of 80k visits a day.  Which means every time Wildstar's team posts to their twitter feed, they roughly reach 12,000 more people in one post than their forums get views in a whole day.  They have 256k likes on Facebook (God only knows how many are following).  Even the Reddit for the month between June and July is at about 7million for the month.
 
I mean, we have to face facts.  I don't like Facebook, Reddit, or Twitter, but I'm under no illusion that we constitute even a large minority of Wildstar players here on the forums.  There may be enough to invite people to your guild, but obviously these forums are a very small pond.  You'd be better off advertising on their FB, Reddit, or Twitter than posting here if you were actually trying to get volume.
 
I don't know what else to tell you, it's been this way at least for five years now.  Companies like NCSoft keep forums up specifically for those of us who never leapt into the new social mediasphere, so at least the people you attract on here will be like-minded, usually.  However, if Carbine feels like their guild recruitment format is a good move, it's probably because they've looked at our forum traffic and thought that the best shot for actually recruiting for a guild was on one page, rather than one per server.  I don't have any reason to doubt them out of hand.
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300 members pulled into the guild since closed beta begs to differ. A very small percentage of our guildies actually come from in the game, twitter, reddit (that recruitment post is on page 30 and gets downvoted by people who hate casuals), other media sites. Probably 25 members came from sources other than the forums here.
 
So nope, not a dying breed, not a small pond. Again, argument invalid.
 
A majority of our applications on our website involve we saw your recruitment post on the official forums and followed your links here cause you sound like the guild for us.
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I know a large number of people, friends, current and previous guildies included, who don't frequent the forums except for when they need to - recruitment being the top reason to do so (and various guild announcements, news etc. as far as guild forums are concerned). You really want a static media for this purpose, spamming twitter, reddit or facebook seems like a lackluster way to go about it. Most guilds advertise in the game chat nowadays, linking to their forums - perhaps elaborating on that aspect, adding customization and functionality to the game UI would be a better choice.
 
What I can foresee happening on the forums after this change is a sleuth of topics with one question or another relating to guilds and recruitment.
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Personally, I'm a huge fan of the change. It allows everyone looking for a guild to go to one spot to look. Those that are open to server xfers no longer have to go to 6 different forums just to find a guild they like.
 
 
You can sort everything by tags, and it's not hard to find posts specific to your server. Not to mention, if your Realm Forum had a "Guild Listing" sticky post - it's still there.	
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And what I'm saying isn't that there aren't people, but that the idea that Carbine couldn't have thought this through and come to this conclusion is incorrect.  People think this came out of nowhere, but I can see exactly where this came from.  And honestly, unless that forum is literally flooded (which, as I stated in the original post you quoted, is a possibility) and then it's impossible to recruit on that one page for anyone, it isn't going to be a problem.
 
Essentially, the forum mandate has nothing to do with "your" guild or "our" forum as much as Carbine looked at usage statistics and figured that we didn't constitute enough traffic to justify that level of fragmentation.
 
I'm sorry if you feel that's insulting; that's just how it is.  None of the people in my little IRL Wildstar-playing circle came here to find a guild (or have come here for any reason), and though I'm here I wouldn't look for a guild here (I've got enough standing in-game offers).  I can completely see why they'd think this is logical.  The only rational reason to change it would be if normal traffic dictated otherwise; and if it does, more power to you.  But this wasn't just a shot in the dark, this was done for a pretty obvious and cogent reason.
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If you are looking strictly for quantity, this is true. Most of those guilds advertising in-game will be gone in a month or two. People who visit forums, generally are the ones who also read up on their class, rotations, gearing, strategies and whatnot. These are the kind of people most good guilds want. They don't want to recruit every Bob, Joe and Sally who thinks their guild name is "kewl".
 
Funny thing about statistics and reports. Without going into too much detail, my wife was in the hospital last year. I ended up kicking a pair of smug doctors out of her hospital bed as they sat there and told me she was fine and she didn't need any more fluid than what she was getting via her painkilling medicine. All their "reports" looked fine. When you actually looked at her with her sunken eyes, slurry speech and fatigue, you could easily tell she was dehydrated. Even the nurse brought it up to them. Nope, the reports look fine, nothing is wrong. The next morning her kidneys started to fail. They gave her a bunch of IV fluid and within hours, she was back to normal.
 
You don't need a report to see what's going on. You just need to open your eyes.
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Personally, I'm a huge fan of the change. It allows everyone looking for a guild to go to one spot to look. 
Those that are open to server xfers no longer have to go to 6 different forums just to find a guild they like.
 
 
You can sort everything by tags, and it's not hard to find posts specific to your server. 
Not to mention, if your Realm Forum had a "Guild Listing" sticky post - it's still there.
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This change would have been great if the "use first tag as Prefix" check box was visible by every forum group. That way people could just click on the prefix of a realm they wanted to look for a guild on and it would have displayed them all in a new page. But! Always a But....the stupid check box isn't visible by everyone so it makes this change pointless and I apologize for that mistake.
 
Through out the day I'll start adding recruitment sub forums to each realm forum. Hopefully that will be an agreeable solution to this.
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This change would have been great if the "use first tag as Prefix" check box was visible by every forum group. That way people could just click on the prefix of a realm they wanted to look for a guild on and it would have displayed them all in a new page. But! Always a But....the stupid check box isn't visible by everyone so it makes this change pointless and I apologize for that mistake.
 
Through out the day I'll start adding recruitment sub forums to each realm forum. Hopefully that will be an agreeable solution to this.
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I don't think it's as intricate or planned as you make it sound. You would have given it a proper thought, and it appears so would most people in this thread, but I doubt that's what happened.
 
I think someone was simply trying to "clean up" the realm forums of all the "clutter" that were guild recruitment posts. I'm not convinced they had given much or any thought to implications and consequences this would result in. There certainly was no brainstorming thread to this regard prior to making the change - this is why we have this thread here, trying to bring attention to existing and possible issues.
 
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This change would have been great if the "use first tag as Prefix" check box was visible by every forum group. That way people could just click on the prefix of a realm they wanted to look for a guild on and it would have displayed them all in a new page. But! Always a But....the stupid check box isn't visible by everyone so it makes this change pointless and I apologize for that mistake.
 
Through out the day I'll start adding recruitment sub forums to each realm forum. Hopefully that will be an agreeable solution to this.
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Through out the day I'll start adding recruitment sub forums to each realm forum. Hopefully that will be an agreeable solution to this.
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I don't think it's as intricate or planned as you make it sound. You would have given it a proper thought, and it appears so would most people in this thread, but I doubt that's what happened.
 
I think someone was simply trying to "clean up" the realm forums of all the "clutter" that were guild recruitment posts. I'm not convinced they had given much or any thought to implications and consequences this would result in. There certainly was no brainstorming thread to this regard prior to making the change - this is why we have this thread here, trying to bring attention to existing and possible issues.
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This change would have been great if the "use first tag as Prefix" check box was visible by every forum group. That way people could just click on the prefix of a realm they wanted to look for a guild on and it would have displayed them all in a new page. But! Always a But....the stupid check box isn't visible by everyone so it makes this change pointless and I apologize for that mistake.
 
Through out the day I'll start adding recruitment sub forums to each realm forum. Hopefully that will be an agreeable solution to this.
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This change would have been great if the "use first tag as Prefix" check box was visible by every forum group. That way people could just click on the prefix of a realm they wanted to look for a guild on and it would have displayed them all in a new page. But! Always a But....the stupid check box isn't visible by everyone so it makes this change pointless and I apologize for that mistake.
 
Through out the day I'll start adding recruitment sub forums to each realm forum. Hopefully that will be an agreeable solution to this.
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Damn :/
 
I liked the ability to be able to browse everyone's recruitment posts - opens the door for those who are looking to move to another server, and gives those of us on smaller servers more visibility.
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			It's not the system that's broken, it's people still learning the system that is creating the issue. We need to encourage these guilds posting in the guild recruitment to tag their server. I mean in the end it's the logical thing to do anyways if you want to increase your exposure.	
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This change would have been great if the "use first tag as Prefix" check box was visible by every forum group. That way people could just click on the prefix of a realm they wanted to look for a guild on and it would have displayed them all in a new page. But! Always a But....the stupid check box isn't visible by everyone so it makes this change pointless and I apologize for that mistake.
 
Through out the day I'll start adding recruitment sub forums to each realm forum. Hopefully that will be an agreeable solution to this.
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			Coffee and cake anyone?	
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Coffee and cake anyone?
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 Punch and Pie an option?
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You're just never happy, are you?!
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This change would have been great if the "use first tag as Prefix" check box was visible by every forum group. That way people could just click on the prefix of a realm they wanted to look for a guild on and it would have displayed them all in a new page. But! Always a But....the stupid check box isn't visible by everyone so it makes this change pointless and I apologize for that mistake.
 
Through out the day I'll start adding recruitment sub forums to each realm forum. Hopefully that will be an agreeable solution to this.
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Sadly no :(  Hugs? lol
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/hugs
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/hugs
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This was the worst Idea ever.  Went to look at the guild recruitment posts and now its just a blitz of crap in one forum.  Your average user is NOT going to use the search function..  use your heads.  But i'm glad the 9 people who are trying to find a 2v2 team will have a place to post for no one to give a shit.  My favorite post on my server forum right now is:  This forum has a sickness - Which states that due to the guild posts no community spirit is given from individual snow flakes.  As you read through the post each post gets darker and darker until they start calling each other stupid because snow flake #1 likes to openworld pvp but snowflake #2 enjoys the rewards from structured pvp.  Great community building..  Worth the change imho.
 
You guys are reallyyyyyyyyyy trying to make team centred large scale content even harder aren't you.  Providing tools that give the player base information might be the thing that wildstar has proven time and time again that your just not good at.  From UI, to Dungeon timers, to adventures where the "cupc" do I go now, to finally you have found a way to make guild recruitment information even more inaccessible.  Whats next taking away the vendor symbol above npc heads? Or I know add an extra button press for guild members to see the motd.  
 
The person who sat in there chair and assumed players will search and thought to implement this does not deserve a job in customer service. 	
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This was the worst Idea ever.  Went to look at the guild recruitment posts and now its just a blitz of crap in one forum.  Your average user is NOT going to use the search function..  use your heads.  But i'm glad the 9 people who are trying to find a 2v2 team will have a place to post for no one to give a shit.  My favorite post on my server forum right now is:  This forum has a sickness - Which states that due to the guild posts no community spirit is given from individual snow flakes.  As you read through the post each post gets darker and darker until they start calling each other stupid because snow flake #1 likes to openworld pvp but snowflake #2 enjoys the rewards from structured pvp.  Great community building..  Worth the change imho.
 
You guys are reallyyyyyyyyyy trying to make team centred large scale content even harder aren't you.  Providing tools that give the player base information might be the thing that wildstar has proven time and time again that your just not good at.  From UI, to Dungeon timers, to adventures where the "cupc" do I go now, to finally you have found a way to make guild recruitment information even more inaccessible.  Whats next taking away the vendor symbol above npc heads? Or I know add an extra button press for guild members to see the motd.  
 
The person who sat in there chair and assumed players will search and thought to implement this does not deserve a job in customer service. 
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Didn't win, it always appears to be 0 reflection on what choices do and how they impact situations on every level.  To quote Lewis Black, its like a dev will sits there and goes "I got a really S&%#TY idea!!!" and then another stands up and goes "And I can make it SH*&TIER!!!" 
 
Great core of a game, and things are always in motion, but damn it stop with the knee jerk fixes.	
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Hello,
 
Players had made a request to see more casual conversation allowed on their server forums, which were drowned out by numerous recruitment posts. On that same note, there were many duplicate posts, as guilds tried to recruit from other servers. By allowing all guilds to stay in one section of the forums, and with the helpful addition of tags, players can instead search for exactly what sort of guild they're looking for. Especially if they haven't settled on a server yet, or are considering transferring. 
 
I hope this helps explain our decision a bit. We really want servers to become communities, with conversations. 
 
- Team WildStar 
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They'll stop with the knee jerk fixes when jerks stop kneeing them.
 
Seriously, imagine the game with out cupcaking cupcake holes making frivolous threads about a non-issue like taking guild recruitment to it's own forum and treating it like it's the end of the world. 
 
Uh oh, some one has to actually use the 'search' function instead of face rolling into the server forums. 
 	
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Yeah man, this is pretty lame. I dunno if it's worth getting all "DCUO" up in here though. :lol:
 
I mean, we're doing okay right now, but damn, who knows what the future holds? And what if no one bumps it for like a month, then we do ... now we're "necroing" threads and have our thread locked down for breaking the rules? Or two months? Or three?
 
I *know* I am not the only Guildmaster willing to do pretty much whatever it takes to stay visible and relevant. It's gonna come down to who can get the most guildies to keep bumping the thread. Smaller guilds are going to be completely crammed out of the spotlight and larger guilds are going to spam-bump themselves to keep it that way.
 
At least on the server level it's no big thing, since there are only so many guilds competing for attention. But *EVERY GUILD IN THE GAME*!?!?!
 
Ugh. This was as good a move as removing the old "Costuming On The Fly" system. Which is to say, not a good move at all.
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Through out the day I'll start adding recruitment sub forums to each realm forum. Hopefully that will be an agreeable solution to this.
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			Glad they fixed it,  as this was discussed sometime before ops week ended and that was completely random and uneeded. To everyone decrying forum recruitment in lieu of social media recruitment, I just stare in amazement and say to each their own. Thanks for fixing the problem before it became too much of an issue.	
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They'll stop with the knee jerk fixes when jerks stop kneeing them.
 
Seriously, imagine the game with out cupcaking cupcake holes making frivolous threads about a non-issue like taking guild recruitment to it's own forum and treating it like it's the end of the world. 
 
Uh oh, some one has to actually use the 'search' function instead of face rolling into the server forums. 
 
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Glad they fixed it,  as this was discussed sometime before ops week ended and that was completely random and uneeded. To everyone decrying forum recruitment in lieu of social media recruitment, I just stare in amazement and say to each their own. Thanks for fixing the problem before it became too much of an issue.
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			Probably because we don't actually spam our guild recruitment in game, as that leads to the equivilent of standing at the lowbie zone and spamming invites in most games. I'm glad I was able to be an example for your cause though =)	
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Except this had nothing to do with Devs, this was the Community team, and yes it could have been the end of the world as without good Guild recruitment you can't recruit people for Raids which is almost the the entire point of this game.
 
What's the matter Bro U mad I actually got results?
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Nope, you wasted the mods time. Good for you. It was a stupid excuse to make a scene on the forums. Most of your other posts are fun Scott, and I like most of them, so no hard feelings. But this was a bad post and you should feel bad for being part of the W* communities problem for this short period in time. Most folks find a guild in-game or through IRL friends / websites. Consolidating the recruitment spam was a good idea, complaining that you had to click 2 buttons and enter your server into a search bar is not. It screams millennial entitlement.  
 
 
The above is my personal opinion; your mileage may vary. The number of QQ'rs on these forums is too cupcaking high, and as much as I like your other posts Scott, that's no excuse for being a part of the problem for such a non-issue. 
 
-Naz
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Through out the day I'll start adding recruitment sub forums to each realm forum. Hopefully that will be an agreeable solution to this.
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Awesome move, ty :)
 
(now could some mods move back the threads from the giant pool back to their respective servers? Should be easy to see where they came from they all say their server names in their OP's)
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Oh, thank you very much!
 
/appreciate	
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We've been working on it, but it's much slower going than the initial mass move from yesterday. Plus, some threads have not updated their tags and don't have the server in the title, so it makes it a little difficult. Please update the tags and/or report threads for moving so we can get them in the proper place. 
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Oh awesome, the Mods have an Easter Egg Hunt Puzzle to solve this week.
 
 
How fun :P
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We've been working on it, but it's much slower going than the initial mass move from yesterday. Plus, some threads have not updated their tags and don't have the server in the title, so it makes it a little difficult. Please update the tags and/or report threads for moving so we can get them in the proper place. 
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Wonder why they chose to do it this way rather than put recruitment sub-forums in each realm forum.
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			Don't know if mods noticed, but the realm specific sub-forums for recruitment require you to be logged in, whereas the rest of the forums to my knowledge does not (except maybe PTR?). Not sure if intentional or to be adjusted once all the guild stuff is in it's proper place.	
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We've been working on it, but it's much slower going than the initial mass move from yesterday. Plus, some threads have not updated their tags and don't have the server in the title, so it makes it a little difficult. Please update the tags and/or report threads for moving so we can get them in the proper place. 
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Don't know if mods noticed, but the realm specific sub-forums for recruitment require you to be logged in, whereas the rest of the forums to my knowledge does not (except maybe PTR?). Not sure if intentional or to be adjusted once all the guild stuff is in it's proper place.
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