2008-02-16 - Meeting on Pace

==Staff/Player Meeting==
Message: 1/33 Posted Author
Staff-Player Meeting! Thu Feb 14 Azar Reeth
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Hey all, 
 
On Satursday, Feb. 16th, 5 PM EST we will be having another a Player-decimatin-- er, I mean Player-Staff meeting discussing the pacing of the MUSH. ;). We want to get your input on how you -- the players -- feel on how fast scenes/plots are progressing, and what we might do to make it a more fun and enjoyable experience. Please try your best to be there, :D. 
 
MEETING TIME: Sat. Feb. 16th, 5 PM EST. 
 
- SWDH Staff
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==Log==
2/16/2008
>>> Across the galaxy Azar Reeth shouts, "The Player-Staff Meeting is beginning! Be sure to +ooc if you want to join in the fun! ;)."
Azar Reeth steals the gravel, "As some of you have attended previous meetings, people may share their ideas to the playerbase by a page order system. If you want to comment, suggest an idea, etc., page me, and we will go in a structured order. (Hopefully my page order skillz are better this time around. ;))
Darin Sacree says, "One of our major issues is the sometimes extreme pace of the game. Events move so quickly that many players cannot keep up and feel left out. The following are some coded measures we will be taking to slow the pace a bit and make things more relaxed.
First, we plan to set election cycles on government objects. The time of the cycle will vary for each planet. This will slow government turnover and encourage more political RP, forging of alliances, and keeping promises to new allies.
Second, liquidates on planets will be further limited. Revolt code will also be fixed so Kessel will shut up and stop nagging us all.
Third, a small number of commands will have timers added (+track is one example) to slow down things on a more personal level, bring things more in line with our theme, and create more RP.
Fourth, we will have more formal scheduling for big events. In the case of battles and raids the locations of battles will not be scheduled, only the time."
Darin Sacree says, "The formal scheduling will /probably/ include a calendar system that all players will be able to post events on but that hasn't been finalized yet."
Palpatine says, "The overall goal is more action, less hectic."
Azar Reeth nods. "Our main concern is that the pace of the MUSH is going by way too fast. Whole invasions of planets are passing by in one day, massive battles that should take much longer are accomplished in the span of a few hours or so, liquidating a planet takes a very, very short time, especially if you constantly +usurp. People are becoming burnt out by the break-neck pace. So, we are planning on taking the measures above so that we might bring you a more enjoyable experience, with less of the mess."
Palpatine says, "More buildup, less climax. A string of climaxes with nothing else means a loss of drama all round."
Palpatine says, "I love the fact that the design is working in many ways so well. Now, we need ideas to help everyone handle all the awesomeness, so that every grand battle has its escort of skirmishes and false alarms."
WannaBi-Builder nods. "People are wanting to deal with RL, or elseMU, which is natural and coming back after one day/night off and they are finding that so much has changed. Part of the code timers is to slow things down a lot in terms of running certain commands. Slow down and take the time to RP everything out. That is why we are here."
Palpatine says, "For those with less time on their hands, this will help ensure they have a chance to enter into the RP."
Palpatine says, "For those with tons of time on their hands, this represents an opportunity to plan and execute very thoroughly, with maximum attention and support."
Darin Sacree nods, "Take a look at the current OM situation. Two armies are on the ground, the Guard could be involved at any time, and the blacks havent even had their say yet. A lot of buildup, a lot of suspense, and it will be interesting RP. We cant code this kind of player cooperation, obviously, so for cool plots like this we need player help."
Palpatine says, "We recognize that in many ways, just at present, the system encourages 24-hour connection and continual blitzkrieg. Which obviously nobody can sustain for long without becoming a nervous wreck. ;) Our intention is to modify the system to encourage enrichment, and a more dramatic, higher-intensity pace. This meeting will involve figuring out ways to do that. How can we Wizardly entities reward rich, cinematic, awesome, high-octane, well-rounded, beautifully-RPed conflict?"
Palpatine says, "One way we can do this is by letting you, the players, let us know who has done the most to enrich the week's RP."
Palpatine says, "We're going to be adding a player of the week award, based on nonstaff player votes. We may also pair it with another award for staff's pick player of the week, based only on staff votes."
Palpatine says, "We've discussed giving more people a 'DM' function, empowering and assigning them to making lots of cool little plots so that there's always something exciting happening somewhere."
Palpatine says, "We've thought of awarding experience for logs which demonstrate the kind of strong, cinematic RP we want to encourage, and which pave the way for future RP."
WannaBi-Builder says, "One thing that we hear from some players is that the game is moving along too quickly and the emphasis has changed from great RP to anything but RP. We dont want that. In talking to the Wizards, the reason we are here is RP. Any commands that we find that are giving us those problems and making us appear more MUD like will be redesigned in order to function as an aide to RP. Not a crutch."
Palpatine says, "Obviously, we'd love more scheduling of some sort. Not what, certainly, but at least when and the 'size' of the scene. 'There will be a huge scene at 6 EST on Sunday' and so on, and we're willing to support such a system, on the principle that ideally the RP will be as awesome and as open as possible."
[OOC] Menglor shouts +events system.
[OOC] Menglor quiets. ;)
Palpatine says, "I am going to open the floor in a moment, I understand Tah will be taking care of agendakeeping?"
[OOC] Darin Sacree says, "Already covered that fear ;)"
Palpatine says, "He'll shepherd us all through so everyone gets a chance to contribute their ideas without the chaos of 16-way free chatter."
Azar Reeth says, "Yar. There's already an order going on. If any of you folks have comments, questions, suggestions, and what have you, page me, and I'll add you to the list so you can have your say."
Palpatine says, "Excellent."
Palpatine says, "Over to you, Tah."
Azar Reeth says, "First up, we have Okran. Please, if you know you are after said person, prepare your statement. This will help us have a smooth flow, and crunch down on time."
Darin Sacree says, "Also, there will be NO BASHING OF OTHER PLAYERS during comments."
Palpatine says, "Unless it's Y."
Palpatine says, "You can bash Y all you like."
WannaBi-Builder puts his hand down.
Jana gets out a football bat for Bashing.
Azar Reeth grins and nods. "We're here to respect each other. So please keep quiet when others are talking. Bashing and finger-pointing will not be tolerated.
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Yes. You may all bash me as much as you like. Because I will @nuke you."
Cerebra the Hutt goes back to Photoshop in another window.
"I have two concerns. My first is about +track. +track is fine, it in fact slows down the pace of the game, because it allows the tracker to find someone. It doesn't have to be for bounty hunting purposes. If you add a timer on +track, you have to put one on +hyperspace, too."
"Also, I applaud to the DM idea. I think that those who own planets already have such resposibility as to host plots. Planets are bit and always undergoing some changes. I wish people wouldn't think, for instance, that Bespin is 'too far and empty, anyway'. Give planet owners DM duty, it will slow down the war.
[OOC] Okran says, "That was me. Sorry."
[OOC] Okran says, "also, planet are *big*... not bit."
Palpatine says, "I think one key is to have plenty of warlike action ... but most of it to be exciting, meaningful, but small."
Palpatine says, "As opposed to the pitched 3000-troop battles."
Darin Sacree comments, "+track is getting a timer because with a fairly low investment it functions as a +where command. In testing I could track all but two players from room to room from any point in the galaxy."
Palpatine says, "Elaborate on the planetary DM duty idea?"
Palpatine says, "I'm definitely interested in hearing more on that."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "But we also want 3000 troop battles-- when everyone can be online to enjoy them."
Palpatine says, "Yes."
Palpatine says, "Key: small but significant skirmishes whenever two or more players feel like it -- and they should mean something to the war."
Palpatine says, "Key: mega battles when a large proportion of players can be involved."
WannaBi-Builder nods. Right. +event is meant to plan large battles to let everyone in on it. Regular RP still happens.
Palpatine says, "Key: A strong connection between the two."
Okran says, "Of course. Say, tomorrow I order my army to invade Planet X and +usurp it. I earned myself tons of cash, but also, the duty to offer players an event, may it be only a speech in the capitol city. Unless I host a +event, I shouldn't have total control of the planet, or take over another."
Palpatine says, "Aha."
Okran says, "I have to RP taking control."
WannaBi-Builder agrees that it needs to be RPed. So do the battles leading up to it. And it takes more then a day to take over a planet. This is where things are going too quickly. There needs to be a realization that it would take weeks to take over a planet, even for Palpatine.
Palpatine says, "Oh, I'd just send in 15,000 stormtroopers with orders to pillage the women and rape the banks."
Azar Reeth nods. "Definitely. There should be a whole plot to take over a planet, something where players can respond, and have fun. Weeks. While Palpatine might have an easier time to take over a planet (being the Sithly Master he is), it should take at least a few days IRL, even a week for a plot to be finished to take down a planet.
Windom Kambei passes on his comment. Whoever's next, feel free.
Cerebra the Hutt says, "A blitzkrieg could be fun, too. As long as everyone's on to RP it."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Seriously, it would be fun for Palpatine to send 15,000 Storm Troopers to take over a planet. As long as it gets RP'd by everyone on the planet."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "And it doesn't happen every day."
Palpatine is with Y on this one. A single 8-hour 16-player RP raging over the surface of a planet is probably enough RP to represent a conquest.
Palpatine says, "Because you can bet it's going to count for all those players."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Now I'm going to go make dinner. ;)"
Cerebra the Hutt says, "But have fun. ;)"
Palpatine says, "Anyway. Who's next on Der List, Tah?"
Azar Reeth says, "Tuil's up."
Tuil says, "Skip me for now."
[OOC] WannaBi-Builder says, "That's right Cerebra, there is nothing saying some things wont just happen quickly. But we have to remember that we all came here to RP. And if Palpy is going to send 15000 people to a planet, there needs to be a chance for speeches of support from other worlds (Or the opposite), for other factions like the Jedi to oppose it, ect. It should take longer then a day to do. If commands like +usrrp is abused, it will be locked to judges/wiz to use at the conclusion of the RP they feel is needed to justify."
Azar Reeth says, "Briseis, then."
Briseis says,"One sec, still typing!"
I would just like to bring up two things, and I apologize ahead of time for the spam:
1) There's some confusion as to the time schedule we're running on - I've heard 3:1 from enough people that I think that's the right one, but I've also heard a /lot/ of people say 'I thought we were 1:1'. I think this is causing some problems in terms of what people think of as IC. If we /are/ 3:1, I'd also like to place an absolute plea to simply slow the ratio down - if not for good, at least for while we're fighting a war. It's simply too fast, even if you are able to be here 24/7, which most of us aren't. 
2) I would like to venture that the problem with pace has very little to do with code, and although I am appreciative of staff trying to use code to slow things down, I also personally suspect that it's not going to solve the problem, because it's not the root of the problem. There are always going to be loopholes in code. People are always going to push it to the extreme if that's the atmosphere we have.
I would suggest that instead, it's a twofold problem. The first part is emphasis - there are some people for whom the emphasis is action action action all the time, and that action overcomes anything else, including IC pacing and logic - there's no real sense of anyone stopping to think 'there is literally no way this could have occurred in this span of IC time' (which goes back to the problem in 1), that I don't think we have an agreement on what span of IC time has actually passed). I think that the only way to change this emphasis is for staff to step in at times when that is the case and say to those people 'that can't have happened, dude, slow down, think logically', and maybe even in extreme cases to wield the dreaded retcon if it can be done swiftly enough to avoid the ripple effect. I kind of feel like if no one is stepping in and saying to people who do things too fast 'that was too fast', the emphasis for them is never going to change.
The second part is that because of the nature of things, the people whose emphasis is faster rather than slower overcome things - it's easy for them to force other people to speed up. It's not easy for others to force them to slow down, especially without always seeming like nitpickers and rabble rousers. Which is why I would really like if staff were able to kind of step in and do that when they feel like things are going too fast. 
All that said, I love that staff is going out of their way to create positive rewards for people doing what they /do/ like to see - I just wanted to mention that there's a flipside of that as well, though, unhappy as that may be.
Briseis says,"Er. Clearly that was me."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Before I really go make dinner, I'll respond to number 1) and 2)."
Palpatine says, "Well, we're going to get a lot more in the way of results by offering rewards than via policing. :)"
Cerebra the Hutt says, "I am running this invasion of OM to do a few things. One, bring some unity to the baddies. Two, give baddies a criminal, non-Black options. Three, give the Hutts a boost in power and status, as they have been trodden on for quite a while. Now..."
WannaBi-Builder coughs and stops trotting on Cerebra. "Sorry..."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "I landed on OM OOCly expecting little resistence, because I thought it was abandoned. If it had been, I would have taken it as an IC blitzkrieg. When I got the Fortress, I found it manned, and heavily. While I had the force, I think, to take it-- I am not about to RP that without Dash being around to have some opportunity to RP response. So, I changed my IC plan, and camped outside the city."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Now..."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "I could have taken OM. Dash was offline. It would have been a huge IC battle."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "From now on, if someone does this-- engages in a huge IC battle without both parties being online-- I will not retcon. WHat I will do is +create armies, and make up an IC series of events that will reverse the situation. Then I'll be quite pissed at you, and will either deduct XP, or smunch you in some other way."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "It would have been easy for me to say, 'My character is a bastard general, as cruel as any. I wouldn't wait for anything, and I have the forces to take this place. It wouldn't be IC for me to wait.' This is not to be considered a valid excuse."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Ever again."
WannaBi-Builder says, "And I believe the same goes for stealing ships too. I think that players should have the chance to defend what is there. The only time that doesnt apply is why a Wizard tells you it doesnt. Or a Judge for that matter."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "One sec..."
Briseis says,"In quick response to Gulp: I get that staff wants to stay positive, but my personal feeling is that if there's no policing to go along with it, it's not going to fix things. And I say this not knowing what staff intends in terms of policing at all, and all things considered I still feel pretty new - I don't know you guys that well in terms of what you do or don't police. But I do know that someone stepping in and saying 'that was too fast' would make /me/ feel a lot better in terms of knowing what's accetable and desired. Because no player wants to be the one who has to complain to another player that something was too fast - especially if things aren't necessarily cooperative between the two, although I get that cooperative attitudes is the ideal."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Stealing ships is a slightly different matter, and I'll chat about that in one sec."
Palpatine says, "We're willing to police. Players will be willing to /be policed/ if they can see what's in it for them."
Briseis nods. Then that is awesome.
Cerebra the Hutt says, "This is your responsibility as an invader: if the people you are invading aren't online you _must_ come up with an IC excuse to wait. Fudge time if you want. Make up some NPC crisis. I don't care. If you don't do this, I will personally smuch you, and I will use my Wizard powers to do it. Period."
Darin Sacree says, "We do police and will continue to police but it is mostly for OOC conflict."
WannaBi-Builder says, "Policing is not a bad thing, it is a highly costly thing, time wise. It is taking X staffer away from running plots or anything like that."
WannaBi-Builder nods to Cerebra and thinks that is fair.
Darin Sacree says, "If someone causes OOC conflict they will not get rewarded even for a good scene."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "This means, if I'm offline, you don't +bombard my armies into dust. You just don't do it. Period. If Dash is offline, I don't destroy his armies. Period. You schedule it. And if the person you're invading is aoiding you, or twinking to get out of the invasion, then talk to Judges and Wizzen."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "As for ships-- here's a simple thing to do."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "And I'll say, I'm not sure I like the coded time limit on +hotwire."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "But you do this:"
WannaBi-Builder says, "Avoiding people will get you into trouble. BIG TIME. Remember, you dont have to RP the scene but you DO have to agree to what happens and we DO encourage RPing of just about all scenes."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "If you know who owns the ship, page them. Tell them you are ICly breaking in, and if you don't trust them, page a Judge first."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "The Judge can see if the person is ICly engaged, or ask them through page if they are."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "If they are, go on about your business and +hotwire."
Briseis nods to Darin - I think that part of my point is that folks who make a habit of rushing through things are actually causing OOC conflict, and it can make it really uncomfortable for the people who want to slow down to have to be the people begging for it from other players, because it's an OOC request and can't be dealt with ICly.
Cerebra the Hutt says, "But if they posed leaving for their ship in another room, and then idled, they should not be ICly punished for this."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "And it should take some time to hotwire a ship. If you're in doubt as a hotwirer, call a Judge. It will be easier on you in the long run."
Briseis will stop responding now so someone else in line can get their chance - sorry, I know I said a lot.
Cerebra the Hutt nods to Bri--
Cerebra the Hutt says, "But as I said, if I hear about it, I will use Wiz powers to smunch."
WannaBi-Builder says, "Maybe, Cerebra, we should look at not so much locking +hotwire, but instead, make the command take an hour to run?"
Cerebra the Hutt says, "And if people complain about it to me, I will burn their escapes manually."
Briseis says,"EXCEPT to quickly wonder if we can get a ruling on the answer to 1)?"
Cerebra the Hutt says, "The command shouldn't take an hour to run."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "The command should be RP'd."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "And if it's abused, I will smunch you."
WannaBi-Builder says, "It is 1:3 right now, yes."
WannaBi-Builder says, "1 RL day = 3 IC Days."
Quintus says, "Really?"
Briseis nods. Okay, thanks. (I restate my plea!)
Cerebra the Hutt says, "I don't want timers on +hotwire."
Briseis says,"Wait... what?"
[+IC]: Meena Tills goes IC.
Meena Tills has left.
Briseis says,"Oh, nevermind. I can't read. Okay!"
Quintus says, "Won't that allow people to always +hotwire?"
Quintus says, "at least if people are off planet?"
Cerebra the Hutt says, "If it's spammed, and someone does it twinkishly, I will smunch them."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "I will use Wizard powers to do the following:"
WannaBi-Builder says, "Cheat, cheat and cheat?"
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Make sure the victim is compensated. Make sure the +hotwirer is ICly taken down a notch."
WannaBi-Builder giggles and hides.
Cerebra the Hutt says, "I will come up with an IC reason for this to happen, but it will go very hard for those who are abusing commands."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "And finally..."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "_If_ you think you're being unfairly smunched, you can talk about it-- however..."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "What will really make me question things and put you back on my (and the other Wizzen) good sides is to say: I thought what I was doing was okay because X, however even getting smunched can be good RP. Let's do this. It will add to my character, and I can prove myself worthy of trust again as I go on."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "When I see things like that... it makes me trust you more. I want to see players who can take a beating ICly and not be pissy about it OOCly."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Including Wizzen."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Is this clear?"
WannaBi-Builder says, "You bet."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Also-- as per my initial conversations with Gulp as of the founding of the MUSH, we are on 1:1 time, with fudging as neccessary."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "That's the time scale."
Gavik says, "Why not make IC time faster?"
Cerebra the Hutt says, "No good reason to. We're on 1:1."
Quintus says, "That's what I thought! So it's Not 1:3"
Briseis says,"Wait, just a bit up the screen we were told 3:!"
Palpatine says, "As per the movies, hyperdrives are sickeningly fast."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "I know."
Briseis says,"Er, 3:1"
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Bri, 1:1."
Gavik says, "Here's one: It'll take twenty RL years or more for Episode IV to get here?"
Quintus says, "Bi is on crack. Don't listen to him"
Cerebra the Hutt says, "That's final."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Gavik: who wants to enter a time period of our canon anyway?"
Quintus says, "I don't."
Darin Sacree nods, "On the notes of wizard powers and OOC problem causers, and taking a beating-- no one is entitled to XP rewards, features characters, to play a Jedi, or anything else. If you do good work we will reward you but not if you balance that with being a jerk to people. We do not owe you anything for your time here but the same respect that you give to others."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "We start to get limited then."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "We're on 1:1."
WannaBi-Builder says, ":wows. I was told 3:1 by a wizard the other day."
Quintus says, "I hope we restart before we get too close to the canon time"
Briseis says,"Okay, that's good to know."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Well, now all the Wizzen know."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "It's 1:1."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "We're all here, we all know."
Azar Reeth says, "Okay, if all comments are done? Grip is up next."
Cerebra the Hutt says, "Fudge as neccessary to promote RP. Do not fudge to give yourself an IC advantage over other players."
[OOC] Quintus is ready if they are
Cerebra the Hutt goes to make dinner for real, now.
Quintus says, "What if, instead of giving planet leaders DM powers, enable people as DM governors over certain aspects of things. And maybe have them NOT BE involved ICly with the sides. Like, Nash wouldn't be in charge of coordinating the TPs for the black empire. Coming up with them, sure. But give the DM role to someone else that's uninvolved (The blacks is a tough thing since the Republic vs Black has everyone involved, but I'm just trying to ensure ways of keeping bias out of it, and other than giving the DM roles to Tuil and Ksar... Actually. I'd like to propose that Tuil and Ksar, if they are willing, be given the roles as OOC DMs. I can think of no one else more fair on the MUSH, and I've actually enjoyed the judged-scenes I've had with Tuil (Alderaan).
Secondly: Everyone should watch the OT more often. It will give you ideas more. And not just ideas, but a feeling for stuff. That's my opinion anyway. Avoid watching the Prequels. They give you bad ideas. 
Lastly: Please try to be considerate of time when you are in positions of power. Some of us have RP scheduled, and are major players in RP for others and being detained for 72 hours sucks. At least, when you plan to arrest or kidnap someone, BE there for them and RP with them and work out a resolution for it. Kidnapped RP can be fun. _can_ be fun... but not if you're thrown in a room and left there. When you kidnap a PC, you become responsible, IMO, for their RP-fun. Whether that be killing them (and thus forcing an escape) or letting them go for whatever reason."
Darin Sacree says, "Is the Aleraan log posted anywhere?"
[+IC]: Mawrak Teer goes IC.
Mawrak Teer has left.
Darin Sacree says, "*Alderaan"
Quintus has it. haven't editted out my TS but I can do that soon
Darin Sacree nods. I have no other comments.
Palpatine says, "The first point I'm going to have to gently shoot down with missiles. :) We don't want to divide administration up into official bailiwicks. It is the first step in OOC red tape proliferation. So, as consumptive of our time it is to handle everything ... better that than you people waiting a week or two to get through OOC red tape."
Effie says, "Judges can act as DMs whenever players need 'em -- feel free to ask for one, and if you're a judge, feel free to DM at will as long as it doesn't involve your character. Wizzes can also act as DMs, though I for one am often too busy."
WannaBi-Builder personally thinks that players need to be mature enough to be DMs on their own. We have helpers and judges, the Judges being DMs already. I dont think having specific areas is good and I dont think giving everyone @powers or flags is going to be the answer to things.
[OOC] Quintus says, "what if we don't like all the judges?"
Azar Reeth says, "Then find a Wizzen."
Darin Sacree says, "I am always open to help with cool TPs"
[OOC] WannaBi-Builder says, "Wait."
[OOC] Quintus says, "can we make wizzen DM for us? like forcibly make them?"
[OOC] Okran says, "What if we don't like all the players, is, IMHO, a bigger issue, Quintus."
[OOC] Quintus says, "Kr: with a good judge, you can RP with players you despise."
[OOC] Quintus says, "I mean, how do you think we all RP with T?"
Palpatine says, "Heh."
[OOC] WannaBi-Builder says, "As a note, Judges are selected by Wizards and trusted. I think players, even if they are having issues or have personal issues with a Judge, need to trust that they are not cheeting. I think if you have a complaint about a judge, you should be speaking with Wizards. But be prepared to back up complaints with logs and examples."
[OOC] Darin Sacree grins.
Azar Reeth says, "If you have qualms against a Judge, feel free to let the Wizzen know, and we'll try our best to handle the situation."
[OOC] Darin Sacree says, "I do more RP as a Judge then I do as my character."
[OOC] WannaBi-Builder thinks when people are judging they should have to change their name to avoid confusion.
Azar Reeth nods to Bi. "Most of all, we need evidence. We can't make judgements on hearsays entirely. Keep logs, examples of X and Y twinking."
Palpatine says, "That's a suggestion we'll think about, Bi."
Palpatine says, "I'm going to suggest that we keep the focus on pacing, though."
Palpatine says, "We will do the meeting thing more often, and we will target meetings to specific agendas."
Tuil raises a hand again.
Palpatine says, "Today, we're looking at pace. :) Where are we on the agenda, Tah."
Celis Dissek says, "Are we also looking at how awesome I am?"
Azar Reeth says, "Up next, is Menglor."
WannaBi-Builder says, "BUT: If you have a problem you can always approach a wizard at any time! Not just here."
Palpatine says, "Always, Celly."
Palpatine says, "People know that, Bi ... ;)"
Palpatine points at his mailbox.
Gavik doesn't think he despises anyone here.
Darin Sacree says, "If I dont reply to any pages then wait five minutes and try again. I'm so popular I get spammed at times"
Palpatine says, "300 entries from the last 2 weeks. ;)"
WannaBi-Builder mutters, "Now if only you responded to @Mail. ;)"
WannaBi-Builder ducks and covers.
Palpatine says, "Only by page, darling."
Gavik says, "How doe something get so bad that you despise someone, or don't want to work with them?"
Palpatine says, "I never @mail back unless I've done something wrong. Anyway."
Tuil is always ready to help in conflict resolution, though few avail themselves. :P
Azar Reeth says, "Anyhow, Menglor is up next. If you want to make a comment, please page me, and I'll add you. ;)"
Fel-Dar has completed CHARGEN! Welcome him to the Galaxy of Dark Horizons!
Fel-Dar has disconnected.
Quintus says, "Welcome Fel-Dar!- or... not"
[+IC]: Waylander goes IC.
Waylander has left.
Quintus says, "We never liked him anyway"
Phelan
[OOC] Phelan says, "Sorry finger hit the numpad accidently"
"I'll be rather frank here. Certain bits of code I like, but frankly its so abused that I hate it. If you want to slow the game down, make it a Judged one. Where you need a judge to initiate any sort of combat, be it personal, or huge battles. I doubt that will ever happen, but it'll slow the pace down a lot to something more manageable."
"That said, I know that will never happen, and as one of the few people who've been involved in thos EPIC BATTLE scenes? I like them. They work out great. Then again I planned ahead with the folks they would involve, and it worked out very well. Frankly, soldiers die so quickly we don't have the ability to Rp week long conquering of planets, and soldiers are so expensive you can't replenish them easily. In RL 1000 Soldiers versus 1000 Soldiers in the open field battles we see here, will die fairly quickly. Battle pacing is fine with me. The Military has worked into Rping the lead up stuff very well, and most people just want to fight to the finish as is. So, I like the system as is ... Just that it needs something like +events. Because if people aren't around during the day, then battles will start revolving around when there good commander is on or not."
"I am a personal fan of a +event board. Nuff said. And I am a big fan of people accepting ICC for ICA. You attack the large naval forces? Expect to get pwned. Commit a crime? Expect to get arrested. It's a basic law of MUing."
"Finally, RP stuff. +sneaking into hugely guarded bases should involve some epic RP, not just a coded command. Thats my opinion. End of storry.
Celis Dissek says, "Coming from someone who plays mostly sneaky characters, it's really quite hard to RP sneaking."
Darin Sacree says, "We already said we are including a calendar system for events scheduling"
Palpatine says, "Yeah. I can code a modifier in which makes sneaking less effective based on the number of people in the room."
"Well, I find the +sneaking to be silly sometimes. Large open rooms, people hiding in plane sight in small rooms."
Palpatine says, "Although ... I guess it's -easier- to hide in a crowd. ;)"
Menglor says, "Or +sneaking into the HQ of a command building. It should be something amazing to do that."
Menglor says, "It'd be like +sneaking into the pentagon, or the oval office."
Palpatine says, "I can code certain rooms to have anti-cover bonuses."
Palpatine says, "Fair?"
Tuil has one question quick on this topic.
Menglor says, "Seems so. Perhaps we should code faction locks or entrances to represent where you'd need like a key card or know a password to get through."
Meena Tills says, "That would be a very good idea"
Briseis nods. It would.
Menglor says, "Because I don't care how stealthy you are. Sometimes you need to walk through doors that should be guarded."
WannaBi-Builder says, "I would suggest not faction locks."
WannaBi-Builder says, "I would suggest keys, or cards of some sort."
WannaBi-Builder says, "Faction locks mean people can't break in."
Azar Reeth says, "Maybe roll against your disguise skill to see if you represent the skill to get across with the correct ID, passwords, etc."
Tuil says, "You can't sneak past an army that is blocking or watching a door, can you? Wouldn't it be less of a burden on our coders if sensitive areas had units watching doors that conside of just two 'sentries'? That'd be easier."
Okran says, "Isn't +hotwire been covered already? You need to RP it, most of the time."
Menglor says, "Well, that makes for even more insane amount of units or soldiers."
Darin Sacree says, "Turrets are what people currently use"
Menglor says, "Not to mention, you have to add a million people to the locks."
[OOC] Gavik says, "If you just used common sense.."
[OOC] Menglor is more with Gav
Darin Sacree says, "Armies are too expensive and can be mindtricked."
[OOC] Menglor says, "Common Sense would be great."
Briseis loves common sense!
[OOC] Menglor says, "Unfortunately it's just not something you can seem to expect here at times frankly."
[OOC] Menglor says, "So, you have to think of coded ways to stop the code."
[OOC] Menglor says, "Which detracts from the point of an MU versus a MUD."
Gavik says, "If I were on Paxo, sneaking around, I would not try to sneak into a room with an exit of "Nash Dragen's Aresenal" if it had a turret in front of it."
Palpatine says, "Realize that we will reward common sense, a good attitude, and a willingness to take some lumps."
[OOC] Menglor hates having to be a Code master to defend a base.
Briseis says,"I mean, if we /catch/ them, I'm guessing we could call a judge and be like 'common sense check!' - but if we don't catch them cause they're +hidden, y'know."
[OOC] Quintus says, "People: It's not about winning. It's about a good story"
Tarkin says, "Without doing something like sweep which is OOC."
Palpatine says, "The people with the best RP, the best attitude, and the greatest ability to enrich others' RP and keep them OOCly calm and happy ..."
Palpatine says, "... will receive the power to kick people's asses."
[OOC] Quintus says, "I don't know why the wizzen didn't announce that they rewarded Ksar for his good OOC attitude when he lost his planet, and then lost what? 2 dreadnaughts? 3?"
Palpatine says, "Ksar's modesty is a flower we did not wish to pluck."
Palpatine says, "But yes, we rewarded him."
[OOC] Menglor says, "The Blacks on OM were lovely."
Fel-Dar has connected.
Darin Sacree says, "Ksar took a heavier beating in two weeks than any character has taken so far in the game"
[OOC] Menglor says, "They got pwned by us, but were friendly and accomidating the whole time."
[OOC] Menglor says, "It impressed me greatly."
Briseis might note that um. As a new player I kind of sat around wondering if Ksar had gotten in trouble, at the time.
Zilana says, "Same on Sullust. I long for the chance to RP again with the blacks. :("
Darin Sacree says, "No, he was just the victim of a lot of IC actions."
Azar Reeth says, "If all overall comments are finished, next up is Okran, (he wanted to comment again, :D)""
Palpatine says, "No, we gave him cupcakes and XP."
Palpatine says, "KR, you're up."
Fel-Dar has disconnected.
WannaBi-Builder goes home.
WannaBi-Builder has left.
[OOC] Quintus says, "I just point out Ksar, but hey... I'll point at myself too"
[OOC] Quintus says, "people ask how Agrippa got the Falcon. I say I won a bet"
[OOC] Quintus says, "what I did was I went with the game after Y BLEW UP MY SHIP"
[OOC] Quintus says, "imagine losing your very first ship (which was named so incredible that nothing will ever replace it)"
[OOC] Quintus says, "If you TRY to go with the flow, you are likely to get a reward"
Okran says, "Alright. Even the best RPers among us may experience either laziness or a blank in the way to add events. I mean, how fun can it be, if nothing is going on for your character or army or planet, for any reason? I say, let's put up a list of /Complications/ that can occur, at any time."
[OOC] Quintus says, "so there is no NEED to push push push to win a planet, etc."
Palpatine says, "Oh, KR?"
[OOC] Quintus says, "take the time to have a great RP."
Palpatine says, "Sounds interesting. Say more."
Quintus says, "Yes, Kr. You're full of good ideas today."
Celis Dissek says, "I'm too likeable. Nothing bad happens to me. WOE."
Azar Reeth says, "That can be arranged.. Celly."
Azar Reeth steeples fingers.
Darin Sacree makes a note, "Celly, could you hover over Kashyyyk or Ord Mantell after the meeting?"
[OOC] Menglor idles out to prepare for an evening out. Great discussion all.
Celis Dissek says, "Actually that's not true, a bomb blew up in my face the other day. But that was because of my selfless heroism. :P"
[OOC] Darin Sacree says, "Later fear"
[OOC] Palpatine says, "Adios fear."
Celis Dissek says, "Bonsoir, Fear."
[OOC] Quintus says, "later Fear"
Azar Reeth says, "This is what Kr paged: Okran (Kr) pages: Say, I have to go from planet X to planet Y, to have RP, but I have no clue of what happened this week, ICly. I do not ICly own RP materials to be interesting. Well, I could have had a hyperjump motivator misshap and had to repair, or something."
Darin Sacree says, "I do that all the time."
[OOC] Briseis says, "Celly is an action hero!"
Azar Reeth says, " Okran (Kr) pages: Say, I have to go from planet X to planet Y, to have RP, but I have no clue of what happened this week, ICly. I do not ICly own RP materials to be interesting. Well, I could have had a hyperjump motivator misshap and had to repair, or something."
Azar Reeth says, "Ah, crap."
Menglor notes one other thing to Kr.
Azar Reeth says, "Sorry about the spam."
[OOC] Menglor says, "That would be awesome."
Palpatine says, "Aha."
Azar Reeth says, "Mudclient malfunction. :P"
Palpatine says, "That's a nice idea. Just to have a list of commonplaces."
Darin Sacree grins, "Tarkin has been ill, has attended funerals, has gone to a wedding.."
[OOC] Menglor says, "I know some navy or space guard folks that would love to come to the rescue. ;)"
Darin Sacree says, "It wont be hard to come up with a huge list"
Tarkin says, "Wait, what?"
Palpatine says, "Yes, ma'am, we can jumpstart your starship!"
[OOC] Celis Dissek says, "And some criminals that would love to be all like 'I SMASH'"
Darin Sacree says, "When I was playing Tarkin"
Tarkin says, "Oh."
Okran says, "Also, your army is stalled, waiting for the planet/location owner? Peer at the list, say your guys have some kind of local flu and need inoculation, aything. Or negociate with locals... that brings me to my other point, for slowing things down."
Darin Sacree says, "MT does the same thing."
Ridge has disconnected.
Could we get back to the idea of pace?
Palpatine says, "Ah, KR returns to topic ;)"
Palpatine says, "OK. On the subject of slowing things down. We listen with baited breath."
Meena Tills says, "What same thing, T?"
Palpatine silences MT.
[OOC] Quintus says, "Menglor: They would probably arrest them for having a hyperdrive fail"
Palpatine silences tout le monde.
Palpatine silences Grip, too. :P
Okran says, "The Galaxy is not only populated by us, Player Characters. There's is the /CROWD/. I, for one, take time to input the crowd, or parts of it, in my poses when in public rooms."
Palpatine says, "Is the suggestion, then, that taking NPCs into account will slow down the pace?"
Okran says, "I draw my gun out in a spaceport? Have at least someone faint or cry, guys."
Okran says, "Well, it has to slow down things a bit, if you take the time to 'play the crowd'."
Palpatine says, "Sure, that might have a certain effect. Enriching the scenes can cause people to slow down. And slowing down can enrich the scenes."
Azar Reeth says, "Just a notice, Yaala'ani is up next."
Okran says, "Name the crowd is also another trick to enrich the RP. Your retinues, they have names. Name them. You die? Take over your Captain, you have already instant background."
Tarkin says, "We should spend more time thinking about NPCs. When you get information about say, a black Twi'lek you shouldn't assume the next one you see is him because there are only 3 PC twi'leks. This is a galaxy, there are millions of people out there. Also all the political events have IC ramifications because the public will react."
Palpatine says, "I look forward to hearing Ya's idea for slowing things down ... but it better not be by using black holes to induce time dilation."
Yaala'ani shits.
Yaala'ani says, "...new idea."
Briseis says,"Ew."
Yaala'ani says, "....err, not that sort of verbage!"
Darin Sacree says, "Time dilation FTW!"
Kojiro Vance has completed CHARGEN! Welcome him to the Galaxy of Dark Horizons!
Okran says, "I'm done, thanks for giving me so much talk time."
Azar Reeth says, "Ya? :P Just a note: please stay on topic when you ask to comment, if you have any awesome, snazzy ideas that you want to talk about that are off-topic, I ask that you wait until the end."
Yaala'ani says, "I just want to say this: I think players need to stop having a play to win attitude, sometimes. I don't think the problem is inherently things moving too fast; I think thats the symptom of the problem. 
 
For example...I know that when I do something that gets me some victory of information, or adventure - I wouldn't mind being captured or tortured for awhile or whatever, so the evil badguys can have their retribution. 
 
I would even be willing to /oocly volunteer/ to let badguys do bad things to me, to keep things even for the sake of drama. Why don't I in turn let this happen as much as I'd like? I'll use myself as an example, put myself out there. 
 
I know for a fact I'd probably end up loosing most of escapes and have to worry about getting actually killed via code if I volunteered for such, especially as often as my personal inclinations would learn towards (which is about a 50/50 ratio, on average.) I don't think...this isn't a code issue, but a culture issue. 
 
Can't we all just...get along? We can ignore the code people, if we can oocly agree and its not giving either of us assets or long-term advantage. - and we can play fair and have fuuun! 
 
OH AND BECAUSE OF THE SNEAKING COMMENT: 
 
#2. Sneaking should be easier to hide in a crowd, yes. And sneaking isn't that useful in bases; I've yet to see anyone able to sneak into a base, since you can't sneak past armies (which is super-unrealistic, especially when they are guarding like 100 miles of terrain with like 50 people) or turrets or anything, thats pretty much impossible. It'd be nice. Again however, I'd RATHER see people not trying that codedly, and instead @emitting and DMing these things to each other, but it seems as if people only play to win, and don't know what to do without the code. 
 
This is not - neither are - criticisms. Actually, we have the best coded systems I've seen since the Golden Days of Mushing; which are long over. I never thought I'd see a place with this dynamic a government and political and invasion system again."
Kojiro Vance walks through the door marked 'WRITERS'.
Kojiro Vance has left.
[OOC] Quintus says, "I agree with Yaala's first line: The speed is because of the play to win attitude."
Palpatine says, "I agree with the last paragraph."
Palpatine says, "So much. ;)"
Celis Dissek says, "I still maintain that RPing sneaking is damn near impossible. :P"
Quintus nods at Celly
Quintus says, "If you start RPing sneaking, the other players start RPing "seeing" you :P"
Okran says, "If you have to sneak in places owned, ask a judge, like in +hotwire?"
[OOC] Waylander says, "As a note about the posing when +hideing and +sneaking, the few times I've posed as a 'shadowy figure' or 'blurred shape' or something there is always someone who notices that shape and draws a gun or something."
Briseis <3s Yaala. I also agree about the culture. And I also enjoy doing terrible things to my characters on occasion.
[OOC] Quintus says, "Alj: EXACTLY"
[OOC] Celis Dissek says, "Right."
Palpatine says, "I suspect that Celly and Alj have a point here."
[OOC] Quintus says, "Dude! It was my point, too!"
[OOC] Celis Dissek says, "Even people I trust a lot OOCly, when they know that I'm sneaky or lying to them, they act more suspicious than other people would."
Palpatine says, "That's why +hide actually removes you from the contents list."
Palpatine gives Grip mention too, then, and a pat on the head ;)
Darlana says, "Why dont we make people follow the simple basis of RL, have them actaully police themselves. If they are on Corus there is no way they could get to NS to perticipate in a gun fight. Attacking and seizing a planet should take up to a week, since even in the future advancing the battleline and securing the civilian populations would take days. If you have a event you want to hold, talk first with a judge and wizard and ask about a good time frame and the frame work for particiapting in it. Makes sense if your going to have a small rumble in the mos eisley cantina you wouldnt make it in time if you were on thyferra. People need to just be fair and honest. We are all here to win something, either a planet, postion, money..whatever pursue that, but do it with reasonablity and some RL intellegence."
Palpatine says, "Fair enough, Darlana, and I think that's where the carrot comes in."
[OOC] Celis Dissek says, "I absolutely love how this game handles sneaking and lying to people. That is to say, IT LETS ME."
Palpatine says, "And the stick. :)"
[OOC] Celis Dissek says, "And I'm very excited for coded disguises."
[OOC] Briseis says, "Is that not something that can be fixed in atmosphere, though? I mean, can we not then page that person and say 'I'm +hiding, look at the room, can you see me?' and if they persist in being a moron about it, call in a judge?"
[OOC] Briseis says, "I just hate to see us need to have an atmosphere where no one feels like anyone can be trusted OOCly at all."
[OOC] Celis Dissek says, "Well, it also makes people RP differently."
[OOC] Nash Dragen says, "Don't ever trust me. As a rule."
[OOC] Celis Dissek says, "If they know someone is spying on them they won't say anything sensitive."
[OOC] Nash Dragen does it all the time. Stupid spies :(
[OOC] Darlana the Hutt says, "well they cant if anyone finds out OOC knowledge that can benfit them or hurt someone IC it is used to motivate situations IC and its happened alot and lots of people have suffered from it"
[OOC] Azar Reeth says, "I think it could be courtesy to page someone that is +hiding that you can see them, if you can. So the other way around. Or simply RP that you can see them."
[OOC] Celis Dissek says, "I probably wouldn't. I can separate IC and OOC but I'm not going to drag my secrets out in the open."
[OOC] Azar Reeth says, "Because if you see a hiding flag on them, you see them. And you can RP that ICly."
[OOC] Palpatine says, "Celly has a point. And while I am sure that many players are highly mature and willing to make sacrifices knowingly -- and while I /will/ reward people who do that -- one of the points of the code is to allow you not to worry so much."
[OOC] Palpatine says, "If you can see them in the contents list of the room, you may RP detecting them."
Quintus says, "Let's also be realistic about SW. A heavily shielded planet, with ion cannon defense, and turrets fell in a matter of a couple hours"
Quintus says, "I'm talking about Hoth"
Kojiro Vance enters from the door marked 'WRITERS' and the triumphant scream of an ape follows him out.
Quintus says, "The Death Star was blown up in 30 minutes."
Quintus says, "The second death star in about 60 minutes."
[+IC]: Kojiro Vance goes IC.
Kojiro Vance has left.
Quintus says, "The climatic battle, itself, is not necessarily a long event."
Palpatine says, "Sure. Lets be _not_ realistic about Star Wars, because it's half saturday morning cartoon. :) But let's make our non realism cinematic. Now:"
[+IC]: Amarant goes IC.
Amarant has left.
Darin Sacree says, "Please page Tah to make the list if you have a rant"
Palpatine says, "T took the words right out of my mouth!"
Palpatine says, "Ya, anything more on the subject of the pace?"
Palpatine says, "Si non, then back to Tah."
Azar Reeth says, ".. I don't have a mouth. I have very thin lips. :(. If Ya is all finished, Tuil is up next."
Yaala'ani says, "No, I just wanted to say I think its not the cause, but a symptom."
Yaala'ani says, "I think treating it is ignoring the virus."
Palpatine says, "Fair enough."
Palpatine says, "We can treat cause and symptom alike, like good doctors."
Yaala'ani says, ":)"
Palpatine says, "And we love handing out XP to people who impress us. So we can formalize that in the form of rewards for people who put story first ... and no candy for those who don't, even if their poses are in the style of Wilde."
Nash Dragen says, "Differential diagnosis, insult the patient, almost kill him, and then figure out how to fix it at the last second!"
Tuil says, "One thing that would certainly help us regain that spark is looking back at what drove RP before the episode and got us all excited in the first place. Different factions doing their thing in a large and varied galaxy. We've seen the start of this with OM and what the Hutt was telling us earlier, but we can all take a moment and remember that the galaxy /is/ a big place and it's not just the Blacks and the Republic. I'm sure we'll see more of this as we proceed from here. I'm more into one-on-one and small group scenes that aren't all 'national security' ALL THE TIME. I would love to have some cool RP where a Jedi actually serves as a mediator or a diplomat and isn't automatically distrusted. :D"
There is almost no way of making people slow down and agree to a pace gulp unless you force them, Im sorry to say the best hope is setting for certain events criteria for joining, behaving, and how much time it would happen during. A brawl being short, while major battles being required to last a while as to allow PCs to help influence the battles out come not solely off of number of troops
Palpatine says, "Ooh, the House approach? ;)"
Nash Dragen nods
Zilana says, "I see +hiding like Obfuscation in WOD. When you take an action in a room while +hidden that would draw attention your +hide is lost."
Palpatine says, "Some criteria to give people an idea would make sense, Tuil."
Palpatine says, "Zilana, you have the right idea. We'll add a +hide FAQ to help people make sense of it, and we're willing to revise the way it works if people can make the case. But back to pacing. ;)"
Palpatine says, "We are in the process of expanding the grid to make the vastness of the galaxy, well, a little more apparent."
Azar Reeth says, "Look forward to brand-new systems to explore. ;)"
Palpatine says, "We would love more small scenes. In addition to the big scenes."
Jana sobs uncontrolably.
Palpatine says, "Lots of cool little things. Lots of awesome big things."
Gavik gives J tissues.
Korcha hugs Jana.
Palpatine says, "National security is great. So is wampa-hunting."
Azar Reeth says, "Okay, up next is MT, unless Tuil has anything else to add?"
Darlana says, "Tuil is right they need to be treated as mediators, people who will be fair and prevent fighting and calm the situation. Looked upon as wise neutral parties. But what is happening is no one trust them because where ever they show up people get cut up by lightsabers, and then hunted down like dogs. My simple opinion is the Jedi are more the super warriors in this game then the wise mediator diplomats as they should be."
Palpatine says, "We can have it all. MT, when you're ready, you may start your landing."
[OOC] Yaala'ani says, "Hahahahaha"
[OOC] Yaala'ani says, "Jedi, combat skills?"
[OOC] Yaala'ani says, "...oh, sorry."
[OOC] Yaala'ani shuts up.
Azar Reeth says, "Right. That's an IC issue to be remedied, however. And their emphasis should be on mediators. The floor is yours, MT."
Nash Dragen says, "If the Jedi want to be mediators, I think they need to start acting like them IC."
Azar Reeth nods to Nash.
[+IC]: Waylander goes IC.
Waylander has left.
[OOC] Darlana the Hutt says, "even if the great idea of DM planet leaders doesnt get instituted as soon standard thing I will be trying to host space races, gambling events, galidtorial combats, parties atleast min once a week on my planets because I know people love that"
[OOC] Quintus says, "I think the Jedi are getting IC backlash because of their IC actions"
Zilana says, "Pacing?"
[OOC] Quintus says, "I see no reason not for players NOT to host things on places they own, Darlana"
Azar Reeth says, "If you want to comment, page me. Let's back back to pacing. ;), and the Jedi Order's image is an IC issue."
COMBAT: Palpatine begins to choke Quintus.
COMBAT: Palpatine breaks off his attack upon Quintus.
Meena Tills has disconnected.
Cerebra the Hutt says, "You're all still going?"
Palpatine hehs. MT, wake up.
Cerebra the Hutt belches.
[+IC]: Cerebra the Hutt goes IC.
Cerebra the Hutt has left.
Quintus says, "We're ranting now!"
Palpatine says, "Good idea, btw, Darlana. I suggest everyone feel free to do the same. Tah, who's after MT?"
Meena Tills has connected.
Palpatine says, "Oh, MT is back."
[OOC] Darlana the Hutt says, "If you want to hold a event on your own do it, but remember you still have to ask the leader of the planet seeing as how its his planet and maybe he wants to add something to help"
Azar Reeth says, "And he's back."
Palpatine says, "Hit it, MT."
All right. What I think is key here is an issue of attitude, with regard to the pacing. I'm going to use my RP with Dacor and his assassination attempt as an example.
Dacor was given a commission to kill me. He tried to RP with me to get close to me, and discovered that all his communications were by comsys, and that attempts to get a private meeting didn't happen. That was MT being very paranoid, which he is for good reason. So what did he do. Did he try to find a code way to force me into an attackable situation? No. He paged me. (more in a moment)
Now, what I told him was that having discovered it was hard to hit me, he should go back to his employer and ask for more money, RP approaching people who knew my habits, etc. and so forth. So that in fact it was a few weeks before the assassination attempt came off.
And when it did, it happened because I paged him that I was having dinner in a public restaurant I'd had a habit of using whenever I was on Coruscant.
Meena Tills says, "So the key thing is that actually communicatiing about the event, and taking time for RP natural things one would do to make it happen, slowed the pace way down ... and made the final scene a lot more fun, because there were no OOC misunderstandings."
Briseis says,"Hooray!"
Quinn agrees regarding the attempt on her too.
Meena Tills says, "Trying to find a way to trap me into a coded assassination attempt would have just led to hard feelings and not much RP."
Meena Tills says, "Mind you, Dacor didn't particularly care if he succeeded. As far as I know he's still trying, and he'll have to come up with a particularly clever scheme to actually pull it off."
Quinn was thoroughly impressed with her assassins and the way things were played.
Quintus says, "The missiles?"
Quinn noddles.
Quintus says, "Man, that got me captured you know."
Quinn says, "Teehee."
Okran applauds, as it /also/ brought RP to players around, and not only for 1 scene.
Azar Reeth says, "After this, it's Grip, and we'll close off the commenting there. Celly would also like to comment on some snazzy ideas that were off-topic from pacing."
Meena Tills says, "One thing leads to another, yes"
Meena Tills says, "if played right"
Back on topic
Quintus says, "One thing that pisses me off more than ANYTHING else is when there is a typo in a room. Who wants to RP in a room where the "Tabe" is made of wood and has intricate designs? WHAT is a Tabe? Why is there one? I instantly start worrying that it is some canon reference that I don't know. I have watched and re-watched the trilogy MANY times to try to find out words that were just typos!
I think I should be a wizard in charge of banning builders who typo things. I know about IP addresses, too. So I can ban good.
Additionally, I want to say something as to what MT said: Stop assuming bad about people OOCly. I'm sure you ALL have heard OOC talk (through pages, probably) about certain players (maybe that Dirty Agrippa who always escapes all consequences that he doesn't like!) and assume there is no way to RP with them fairly. If you think something is a cool thing to do and can't find a way to pull it off ICly or codewise... maybe you should consider telling the player the situation. And NOT assume that the player, when informed OOCly, will lock themselves down MORE ICly. If such things happen, inform a judge. If Dacor paged MT and MT, in response, started going around with a huge retinue, blocking exits to his RP, etc... with no IC tipoff, that would've been wrong. But he didn't. Because he's not a twink.
So don't rush your way in with code quickly to get them before they can respond. It'll be worth it."
[OOC] Faris runs off for dinner. "Great comments so far. <3"
[+IC]: Faris goes IC.
Faris has left.
[OOC] Korcha says, "I don't have a reason, I'm just bored."
[+IC]: Korcha goes IC.
Korcha has left.
Azar Reeth nods. Next is Celly, with his snazzy ideas.
Celis Dissek says, "Snazz! Okay. These aren't very pace-related, but it seems an ideal time to mention them. First, I have noticed something about how people ICly treat elections on this game. They treat it as if it really only takes ten people to vote for you in order to get elected as the new Queen of France. This has always struck me as vaguely silly."
Nash Dragen hear hears.
Celis Dissek says, "The vote, as I understand it, represents your politics skill and you going around making stump speeches and convincing the population to vote for you. Not that there are only twenty people who turn out for elections--even the US doesn't have a voter turnout -that- bad."
[OOC] Okran has half his background about taking over Bespin, that covers 10 IC years, if anyone wonders.
[OOC] Celis Dissek says, "You don't get elected for Bespin."
[OOC] Okran says, "Of course not, but it took 10 IC years."
Celis Dissek says, "So it would be really awesome if people actually RP'd going around stumping for candidates at least a little bit--but at the very least next time you're about to get elected please don't sit there ICly and wait for that one last person to vote."
[OOC] Nash Dragen says, "My election to Warlord took one person....>:)"
[OOC] Phelan says, "One gun one vote."
[OOC] Nash Dragen actually meant Xibril. :)
[OOC] Darin Sacree grins
Palpatine says, "I suspect that's that for the time being. Regarding pacing, I have heard a few pertinent points which make a lot of sense, regarding the OOC culture of the game and how it might be improved to put the focus more strongly on rich RP instead of fast RP, I have also heard a few useful ideas."
Swizzy has connected.
Palpatine says, "Thank you all who have contributed. In the interest of getting more useful substantial ideas, I am going to add a board for the express purpose of submitting ideas."
[OOC] Celis Dissek says, "Kr was machinating against my rightful rulership for ten years?"
[+IC]: Waylander goes IC.
Waylander has left.
Palpatine says, "However, I'll vet the posts. So @mail to me if you want to post, and make the subject line IDEA: <X>."
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