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I really like the draken storyline/lore, but I still can't quite get past that "firing on an emergency transport carrying civilians" thing from the northern wastes when I think about the dominion(exile human. Also, and I the only one who thinks deadey's rampage was pretty light for the level of trauma there?). And the cassian's holier than thou attitude.
 
are there more areas like deradune where it's mostly draken style, or am I eventually stuck with killing the relatively innocent for no reason?	
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			...You think the Dominion's too 'evil' yet apparently have no problem with it's most bloodthirsty vassal-species?	
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			The Dominion are not evil..they are self serving and utterly convinced they are invested with the divine right of the universe's creators. As you get deeper in the stories, neither side is innocent..the Dominion just have the Imperial "manifest destiny" attitude that makes them look worse.	
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How about Exiles poisoning the whole town and its surroundings, including civilians, simple farmers and traders, with a plague that drives ordinary people, who may have never even seen a single Exile in their entire lives, completely insane and makes them die in terrible agony?
Still all black and white?	
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			Yeah, gotta agree with the dommies in this, we both are pretty *cupcake*ed up	
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Dominions are not pure evil they are just like spoiled children who have been treated very well too well perhaps and been given everything they asked, in all their endeavors they havent experienced failure,loss and mostly put Discipline > Morality 
 
So in short they have an attitude problem	
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If you play through Dominion Zones you will find that different Leaders/Commanders have different ethics. Some are honourable, decent but just a little strict/zealous, others are self-serving buttheads and some are just psychopaths. To be honest, I've seen a few Exile NPC's who are just as ruthless.
 
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Toric ain't evil.
 
Mondo is just misunderstood.
 
 
Hycrest is a perfect example of Exile's going places they shouldn't.	
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			If you read the story on both ends, you find that this is kind of a morally grey story on both ends. Neither side is really "good" or "evil" the dominion just come across that way due to the imperialistic opening.	
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-Are the Exiles/Dominion good guys or bad guys?
-Jim Cummings: Yes. Definitely.
 
(Hondo Ohnaka is too)	
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There was a rather impressive thread about this in the Lore forum.
 
Short answer:
 
Both the Dominion and Exiles are evil. And both the Dominion and Exiles are good.
 
There are extreme elements in both factions that could be considered 'evil'. But by and large both factions are good with slightly differing goals, and ways of life.	
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			As an Exile, if you think we're the good guys, you haven't played long enough. Wait until you're a little further along in the story.	
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			Even though I have not gotten far with a Dominion character I know what a few of their soldiers are like, after of course spying on the talking ones but the underdog fighting for freedom thing always wins my vote.	
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Even though I have not gotten far with a Dominion character I know what a few of their soldiers are like, after of course spying on the talking ones but the underdog fighting for freedom thing always wins my vote.
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How about Exiles poisoning the whole town and its surroundings, including civilians, simple farmers and traders, with a plague that drives ordinary people, who may have never even seen a single Exile in their entire lives, completely insane and makes them die in terrible agony?
Still all black and white?
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			What if I told you Dominion are basically along the same vein as Alliance - a league of races under the power of a group of wealthy, religious fanatics.	
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What if I told you Dominion are basically along the same vein as Alliance - a league of races under the power of a group of wealthy, religious fanatics.
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I'd ask what alliance?  
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I didn't think I'd need to specify which game. Warcraft.
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You people and your "defense" of the Dominion ... so sad.
 
Open your eyes to the atrocity of the regime. We are fighting for survival because of the Dominion's practices, not the other way around.
 
You've earned every plague victim and slain villager we give you, a hundred times over. We won't forget Arboria. 	
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You people and your "defense" of the Dominion ... so sad.
 
Open your eyes to the atrocity of the regime. We are fighting for survival because of the Dominion's practices, not the other way around.
 
You've earned every plague victim and slain villager we give you, a hundred times over. We won't forget Arboria. 
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			The way I see it is that everone is a combatant.  Military, civilian, it doesn't matter.  This is a war of survival.  If you don't fight, you die.  There are no innocents.	
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			Honestly if you nit pick a story in a game no war between factions make any sense after awhile,  the reasons are always not enough to keep a war going,  especially if players are not being jerks to other side.   I don't mind factions but cutting us off from the other half of players seems dorky,  let us as players decide,  let us kill same faction too :P  	
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			I think we should just wise up, find the Eldan, kill them and then their offspring.	
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Honestly if you nit pick a story in a game no war between factions make any sense after awhile,  the reasons are always not enough to keep a war going,  especially if players are not being jerks to other side.   I don't mind factions but cutting us off from the other half of players seems dorky,  let us as players decide,  let us kill same faction too :P
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LoL, I will say the faction set up is done pretty well. The righteous indignation on both sides sets up a pretty strong and emotional conflict.
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How about Exiles poisoning the whole town and its surroundings, including civilians, simple farmers and traders, with a plague that drives ordinary people, who may have never even seen a single Exile in their entire lives, completely insane and makes them die in terrible agony?
Still all black and white?
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What vile slander is this Exile scum? Too long have we citizens of the Dominion suffered the indignity of such an odious band of terrorists and rabble rousers! If you weren't cowering among the holy relics of our glorious Eldan forbears we would clense this holy planet of your traitorous ilk with the full might of the Imperial armada! Fire would rain upon your traitorous heads until nought but ash remained of Brightland's rag tag band of failed usurpers!
 
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LoL, I will say the faction set up is done pretty well. The righteous indignation on both sides sets up a pretty strong and emotional conflict.
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I created a Roleplay Debate thread for you and TexArcana in the Roleplay forum. You two may have at if you want. :)
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You people and your "defense" of the Dominion ... so sad.
 
Open your eyes to the atrocity of the regime. We are fighting for survival because of the Dominion's practices, not the other way around.
 
You've earned every plague victim and slain villager we give you, a hundred times over. We won't forget Arboria. 
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What vile slander is this Exile scum? Too long have we citizens of the Dominion suffered the indignity of such an odious band of terrorists and rabble rousers! If you weren't cowering among the holy relics of our glorious Eldan forbears we would clense this holy planet of your traitorous ilk with the full might of the Imperial armada! Fire would rain upon your traitorous heads until nought but ash remained of Brightland's rag tag band of failed usurpers!
 
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LoL, I will say the faction set up is done pretty well. The righteous indignation on both sides sets up a pretty strong and emotional conflict.
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 captured the planet and are harvesting it's resources. 
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lols. I thought you were one of the RP'ers that played both?
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How about Exiles poisoning the whole town and its surroundings, including civilians, simple farmers and traders, with a plague that drives ordinary people, who may have never even seen a single Exile in their entire lives, completely insane and makes them die in terrible agony?
Still all black and white?
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By the way, the basis for that plague came from Dominion bio-weapons that the Black Hoods confiscated from Dominion troops preparing to deploy them against the Exiles in Galeras.
 
 
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I've had FCON troops make me lure Dom soldiers into traps with wounded Dominion holograms and other sorts of nasty business. 
The Exiles most definitely have a government, the Dominion most definitely have local governments. They've different organizations and towns and different units with different commanders. The Exiles have chosen to ally themselves under one banner, they cannot distance themselves whenever it is convenient.
The Free Companies are Exile and free in name only.
 
The Aurin also like to destroy entire ecosystems.	
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You people and your "defense" of the Dominion ... so sad.
 
Open your eyes to the atrocity of the regime. We are fighting for survival because of the Dominion's practices, not the other way around.
 
You've earned every plague victim and slain villager we give you, a hundred times over. We won't forget Arboria. 
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The Aurin also like to destroy entire ecosystems.
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I've had FCON troops make me lure Dom soldiers into traps with wounded Dominion holograms and other sorts of nasty business. 
The Exiles most definitely have a government, the Dominion most definitely have local governments. They've different organizations and towns and different units with different commanders. The Exiles have chosen to ally themselves under one banner, they cannot distance themselves whenever it is convenient.
The Free Companies are Exile and free in name only.
 
The Aurin also like to destroy entire ecosystems.
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You have to quest on both sides to really notice that no side is better than the other.
 
Although I wonder why Dominion quests are just so much better than Exile ones...
 
And I agree with Tex, if you want to PUG BGs you need to be Dominion side. I've seen Exiles just /autorun into decor to AFK renown ...  and probably still be more useful than the dozen following a lone esper while the flag carrier escapes unnoticed.
 
Really, I would be interested to find out what are the demographics of each factions, I'm sure there's an answer in that.	
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By the way, the basis for that plague came from Dominion bio-weapons that the Black Hoods confiscated from Dominion troops preparing to deploy them against the Exiles in Galeras.
 
The Dominion, on the other hand, are all one single government. They are all part of the same command structure. One cannot distance oneself from the mass graves of executed Exile prisoners in Whitevale, for example, because there are no local governments, everyone is a cog in the same machine and thus has to shoulder at least some of the blame for the Dominion's worse atrocities.
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			Man, reading this thread makes me shake my head.  Do you guys think war is like tag-football or something?	
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Hycrest is a perfect example of Exile's going places they shouldn't.
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I really like the draken storyline/lore, but I still can't quite get past that "firing on an emergency transport carrying civilians" thing from the northern wastes when I think about the dominion(exile human. Also, and I the only one who thinks deadey's rampage was pretty light for the level of trauma there?). And the cassian's holier than thou attitude.
 
are there more areas like deradune where it's mostly draken style, or am I eventually stuck with killing the relatively innocent for no reason?
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Hi there, Dominion and Exile player here (50 Chua and Cassian medics; 50 Mordesh Engi/ 50 Aurin stalker). You are actually incorrect. The weapon being used in Galleras was a toxicological agent produced by the chua; The weapon in Hycrest was a weaponized virus produced by the Mordesh virologists.
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While I will admit that there's gray on both sides, the Dominion's ruthlessness is way too overstated. At least, early on. 
 
If you're playing on the Dominion side, the first thing you see upon entering Whitevale is a burning pile of corpses, with more prisoners waiting to be executed and thrown onto it. Hopefully in that order.
 
I was not okay with that.
 
 
It's like, I know that both sides have their good folk and their bad folk, but the Dominion hits one note for much of the early game and that note is
"MWAHAHAHA!"
 
It was like they wanted to expose me to the lolevil early on so I wouldn't be bothered by it later. But the thing about exposure therapy is that it's just as likely to send you into shock than it is to desensitize you.
 
I'm trying not to be biased toward Exiles here. I love the Dominion's races, their aesthetic and how they're more closely tied to the overall lore of the universe.
 
Artemis Zin is the love of my life on the Dommie side and I love roleplaying a posh highborn Medic.
 
It's just that my first impression of them was a very strong one and it's not necessarily one I favor.	
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Man, reading this thread makes me shake my head.  Do you guys think war is like tag-football or something?
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Me too. I have multiple 50s on both sides and on muliple servers. You obviously missed a lot. Not responding to you further though because you have a tendency to drag every conversation you engage in off the rails.
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Your demonstrably false statements about the relatedness of canonically separate events suggests otherwise. If you are going to dodge a discussion because you are wrong, at least be more creative next time? Because making false ad hom against other members of the discussion is bad form.
 
Anyone who thinks for a second you are correct in your claims against my person can re-read my posts / threads on the lore forums. Where among other things I predicted the Defile storyline almost 2 months in advance, and have contributed greatly to the lore- based discussions on the game. 
 
Best,
 
Naz
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			Chua IS evil...	
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While I will admit that there's gray on both sides, the Dominion's ruthlessness is way too overstated. At least, early on. 
 
If you're playing on the Dominion side, the first thing you see upon entering Whitevale is a burning pile of corpses, with more prisoners waiting to be executed and thrown onto it. Hopefully in that order.
 
I was not okay with that.
 
 
It's like, I know that both sides have their good folk and their bad folk, but the Dominion hits one note for much of the early game and that note is
"MWAHAHAHA!"
 
 
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It's easy to miss the subtle things in the early dominion zones. If you start in Levian Bay, after the Exiles attack the Star-comm station and you leave through the cave in the back, stop near the mouth of the cave. You'll notice a Cassian Medic treating an injured Aurin.
 
If you haven't ever done it before, sit through their entire conversation. It's a good one, placed right at the start of the Dominion story :)
 
It's a toss up. Saying Chua is too easy, after all they just want to science! But saying Aurin is also too easy, heck they will literally kill you if you are grumpy (grumpyness /meanness carries a death sentence in Aurin culture).
 
Neither? Both? Let me put it this way, If I wanted to build a particle accelerator I'd call a Chua first; if I wanted to plant a garden I would call an Aurin first..... I would keep neither around long after that though.
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This is why I love the story in  Wildstar,  also  grumpyness is serious thing!   Could explain why Dominion did not give  Aurin a choice to join,  only race that wasn't given that choice  as I understand it (Still gathering lore stuffs)  Lesson here is  each Aurin and Chua are different.    My  Aurin would not sentence someone to death forbeing mean,   Maybe send them to Hugging Reform School.  ^.^
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Eh, there was a big thread about this in the lore section too. I won't rehash it here but I will say this:
 
Arwick presented the Queen with the option of aligning with the Dominion. She refused.
 
P.S. Hugging reform school.... I love it. There should be one in every Aurin settlement to send the captured Dommies to ! (imagine teaching a chua to hug!)
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I really like the draken storyline/lore, but I still can't quite get past that "firing on an emergency transport carrying civilians" thing from the northern wastes when I think about the dominion(exile human. Also, and I the only one who thinks deadey's rampage was pretty light for the level of trauma there?). And the cassian's holier than thou attitude.
 
are there more areas like deradune where it's mostly draken style, or am I eventually stuck with killing the relatively innocent for no reason?
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What?
 
Exiles unleashing a plague in the forest of Ellevar, Exiles Poisoning innocent farmers in Auroria, Exile Aurin trying to Teraform, killing off all life and ecosystem and replacing it with something closer to Aboria in Deradune and Auroria isn't evil?
 
But yet because we shoot down a carrier, Carrying a defunct Cassian Spy with who knows what secret information. We're evil?
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a real war? no
 
a fictional war in a video game? it is whatever the writers say it is.  They could have made good vs evil black and white in this game.  But they didnt...they instead chose to write the Exiles with flaws of their own, and Dominions with non-evil characteristics.  What makes *me* shake my head is how an Exile player reacts when you tell them about some of the things their faction/NPCs do.  Find yourself a fresh player that after a few minutes of playing an Exile would rather play them then Dom because they think that Exiles are the good guys.  Now tell that player about some of the questionable things that their faction does in quests and whatnot.  That player isnt going to switch to Dom, or quit the game. They are going to try and justify the actions somehow so that they can keep on playing.  Or they'll come up with some other lame excuse or just ignore it all together. And that's actually ok...personally i think that people shouldnt let stuff like that stop them from choosing a faction they like. If you need to find a reason to play exile but cant because of some of the bad stuff they've done then make something up.
 
That's why i'm glad i dont use reasons like religion, good vs evil or anything like that to choose factions.  That way i dont have to go "uhhh uhhh uhhh uhhh" when somebody tells me that my chosen evil faction has a sub-group of good guys like Toric and the Radiants.  So my reason actually end up being something like the Chua are fat, cute and awesome or the armor sets look really cool on Female Cassians. And yes i did choose Dominion only because of the Chua /dance /sleep emote. 
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Woah woah woah... Everybody know that all this conflict is only a tiny part of the mastermind of evil that Chua are.
 
If Aurin have a Hugging Rehab for Doms guy, I know where to recruit for this year Punt-A-Chua games.	
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While I will admit that there's gray on both sides, the Dominion's ruthlessness is way too overstated. At least, early on. 
 
If you're playing on the Dominion side, the first thing you see upon entering Whitevale is a burning pile of corpses, with more prisoners waiting to be executed and thrown onto it. Hopefully in that order.
 
I was not okay with that.
 
 
It's like, I know that both sides have their good folk and their bad folk, but the Dominion hits one note for much of the early game and that note is
"MWAHAHAHA!"
 
It was like they wanted to expose me to the lolevil early on so I wouldn't be bothered by it later. But the thing about exposure therapy is that it's just as likely to send you into shock than it is to desensitize you.
 
I'm trying not to be biased toward Exiles here. I love the Dominion's races, their aesthetic and how they're more closely tied to the overall lore of the universe.
 
Artemis Zin is the love of my life on the Dommie side and I love roleplaying a posh highborn Medic.
 
It's just that my first impression of them was a very strong one and it's not necessarily one I favor.
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I've gotten to lvl 14 in two zones(one exile, one dominion. algoroc and deradune)
 
Exile story starts out as "holy crap, this planet is trying really hard to kill us all! Get the civilians to safety, we'll set up camp." Then they finally manage to get a distress beacon out so the civilians can get evacuated, everything's going good. Well, the transport doesn't have enough room/won't take all the fighters with them, oh well, it's not much of a walk and you've proven you've got what it takes to survive the walk to thayd.
 
Wait what, missile lock!? Boom. It goes down, okay well there should be a quest or something to get people out... nope. 100% casualties. Including deadeye's preggers wife(you know, the girl you spend a good chunk of the intro saving.) Suddenly I'm okay with going all kinds of genocidal on the dommies in this little valley. Kinda surprised the body pile around deadeye wasn't bigger when you got there.
 
Dominion story: Lap of luxury, torture citizens to force them through an invasive brain scan, fight mutated versions of citizens, go to church, fight holograms, then go to deradune. I like deradune,  most of the questing is just hunting local wildlife, except for when you hunt the exiles, and even then you're not going about it with cackling glee and going for as many casualties as possible, it's a single dedicated strike to disable them and take out their leader in one quick strike.
 
Overall, I like the draken style and kinda hate the chua.
Draken: YOU pissed me off. now YOU die. and that guy over there if he steps in.
Chua: "Oops" Killed 500 people, oh well, was going for a thousand. MORE SCIENCE!	
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			i have leveld both an aurin and chua to 50. and honestly they are both messed up in their own way. for every evil thing dominion did exiles matched it.	
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i have leveld both an aurin and chua to 50. and honestly they are both messed up in their own way. for every evil thing dominion did exiles matched it.
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Point here is,  Dominion did the evil thing first,  we responded in kind.   In order to fight the evil you sometimes must become Evil.   And I see no shame in that.   They level a house,  we'll level a village,  they destroy a city we'll destroy the city and thousand miles around it.   Only logical choice here is for the DOminion to enter into negotiations.    Since they are the root cause of this war.
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			The Dominion were created to well.. dominate everything. They're basically another version of the Strain.	
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But...isn't Nexus the Dominion's because the Dominion was created by the Eldan, with people that have Eldan blood in charge?  The Exile are trespassing.  Shoo.
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Meh, it really depends on which race of Exile I would say. Dominion is unified under the same goal - conquest. Exile is just a bunch of randoms with their own agenda.
 
I played Mordesh, and they don't seem the type of people you will consider kind. They did some messed up stuff experimenting to save their race, doomed their race, and now are ready to do even more messed up stuff to save it.
 
I'm a simplistic person. I love my lore easy and simple. For any warhammer fan here, you will understand if I say I play Ork. Point is, I don't feel like playing most of the Wildstar race because oyu always seem control by someone else master plan. And then I started Gnarloc. Like, those guy are really simple to get in my opinion. They just want to be let the ^@$# alone so they can do what they do best: drink, brawl and relax.
 
ps: Why shouldn't you let a geologist drive your car? Because they get hammered and stoned. 	
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The whole point is that the Dominion created all these problems themselves. The Terraforming is a non-issue because it wouldn't have occured if the Dominion hadn't "terraformed" Arboria for no reason.
 
"Dominion or Die" is not a choice.  Having a culture of hospitality is not a crime.
 
The Dominion is a source of its own Wars and it's own terrorism.
 
Blaming people for fighting back is what bullies do.
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Well, let's be fair. The Exiles started the war.
 
Admiral Brightland, about to retire, decides it is the great time to show the way of peaceful change in a time of civil stress by gathering up his troops and wage war against the Dominion. Spoiler alert: he lost.
 
The Exiles go fleeing, they stumble across Nexus, which by virtue of being Eldan thus belongs to the Dominion in their absence.	
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Point here is,  Dominion did the evil thing first,  we responded in kind.   In order to fight the evil you sometimes must become Evil.   And I see no shame in that.   They level a house,  we'll level a village,  they destroy a city we'll destroy the city and thousand miles around it.   Only logical choice here is for the DOminion to enter into negotiations.    Since they are the root cause of this war.
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Actually no.
The Eldan did the evil first, the dominion responded in kind, and your third in line.
 
And no, the dominion is not the root cause for the war, the Eldan are.
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The Eldan created a monster and disappeared. But the Dominion made the decision to continue a fight that Brightland began for 300 years, even taking it to races that were not even discovered and unaware of such ancient history that was lightyears away from them.  As an organization, they actually do behave exactly like they were led by 1000 year old robots.
 
Very few people in the Exile camp give a crap about Brightland and his rebellion. The vast majority have a personal grudge against the Dominion because they killed their family, took their home, or otherwise made their life miserable.	
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If wanting a United Galaxy, under order is being a Bully, then call me Bully for life.
 
Upon research there was no reason for Brightland to start his war, this whole skirmish should never have happened, it was one old man flexing his muscles. There was no injustice on a government wide scale, Had the Exiles not started the War bot only would Aboria still be in full tact and all the Aurin still happy, they may have been well left alone, or invited peacefully to join the Dominion.
 
Instead they harbored fugitives, refused to release them, and they were made an example of for the rest of the galaxy, it's sad I don't fully agree with the how. But I understand why it had to be done.	
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			Dominion OBVIOUSLY have a misconception of what freedom is. Anyone have seen Lego: the movie? haha, same story	
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The Eldan created a monster and disappeared. But the Dominion made the decision to continue a fight that Brightland began for 300 years, even taking it to races that were not even discovered and unaware of such ancient history that was lightyears away from them.  As an organization, they actually do behave exactly like they were led by 1000 year old robots.
 
Very few people in the Exile camp give a crap about Brightland and his rebellion. The vast majority have a personal grudge against the Dominion because they killed their family, took their home, or otherwise made their life miserable.
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Sure blame a race that isn't even around, that's what bullies do!   Bully > :D
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If wanting a United Galaxy, under order is being a Bully, then call me Bully for life.
 
Upon research there was no reason for Brightland to start his war, this whole skirmish should never have happened, it was one old man flexing his muscles. There was no injustice on a government wide scale, Had the Exiles not started the War bot only would Aboria still be in full tact and all the Aurin still happy, they may have been well left alone, or invited peacefully to join the Dominion.
 
Instead they harbored fugitives, refused to release them, and they were made an example of for the rest of the galaxy, it's sad I don't fully agree with the how. But I understand why it had to be done.
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If wanting a United Galaxy, under order is being a Bully, then call me Bully for life.
 
Upon research there was no reason for Brightland to start his war, this whole skirmish should never have happened, it was one old man flexing his muscles. There was no injustice on a government wide scale, Had the Exiles not started the War bot only would Aboria still be in full tact and all the Aurin still happy, they may have been well left alone, or invited peacefully to join the Dominion.
 
Instead they harbored fugitives, refused to release them, and they were made an example of for the rest of the galaxy, it's sad I don't fully agree with the how. But I understand why it had to be done.
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I have to agree with HinataNata, it seems clear that the starting zone for both sides is intended to make the Dominion seem rather like the Evil Empire.
 
You have to pass a loyalty test, you torture citizens to see if they're a spy, they're not even prisoners yet, because you don't know which one is the spy. You kill off a bunch of people trying to return them to the fold, at the direction of what is clearly a deranged fluffy thing, who seems to consider the loss of life, including your own, to be about as big of a deal as breaking a few eggs.
 
You go though combat training where you burn down tree's for no apparent reason I can see, and evict people because they're bumpkins...
 
Then compare this to the opening of the Exiles, where you're under attack by the Dominion, you're trying to save a man and his pregnant wife, all in an attempt to find a place to call home.
 
Now I know that's a somewhat simplistic view, but that's the view I got as a new player with out much background in the lore. Funny enough, going though the church actually made me feel a bit better about the Dominion, because I could at least then see some sort of reason behind some of what's going on. That kinda like the 40k Empire of Man, they believe they're doing what the gods want.
 
But still, the way the treat the Dominion in the opening, is a bit too over the top for my taste. I'll keep playing my Dom until lvl 10 or so anyway and see. But speaking as a new player without knowing a ton of the lore, it's pretty clear that the Dominion are evil and the Exile are good. I get that it changes down the road, but it would be a lot easier to see that if it wasn't quite so over the top at the start.	
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Woah woah woah. Don't you dare talk @%#$ about Granok. We ROCK!
 
Mechari do it with clones.Chua do it in the bushes.Aurin do it with animals.Granok do it in the dirt	
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I have to agree with HinataNata, it seems clear that the starting zone for both sides is intended to make the Dominion seem rather like the Evil Empire.
 
You have to pass a loyalty test, you torture citizens to see if they're a spy, they're not even prisoners yet, because you don't know which one is the spy. You kill off a bunch of people trying to return them to the fold, at the direction of what is clearly a deranged fluffy thing, who seems to consider the loss of life, including your own, to be about as big of a deal as breaking a few eggs.
 
You go though combat training where you burn down tree's for no apparent reason I can see, and evict people because they're bumpkins...
 
Then compare this to the opening of the Exiles, where you're under attack by the Dominion, you're trying to save a man and his pregnant wife, all in an attempt to find a place to call home.
 
Now I know that's a somewhat simplistic view, but that's the view I got as a new player with out much background in the lore. Funny enough, going though the church actually made me feel a bit better about the Dominion, because I could at least then see some sort of reason behind some of what's going on. That kinda like the 40k Empire of Man, they believe they're doing what the gods want.
 
But still, the way the treat the Dominion in the opening, is a bit too over the top for my taste. I'll keep playing my Dom until lvl 10 or so anyway and see. But speaking as a new player without knowing a ton of the lore, it's pretty clear that the Dominion are evil and the Exile are good. I get that it changes down the road, but it would be a lot easier to see that if it wasn't quite so over the top at the start.
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Woah woah woah. Don't you dare talk @%#$ about Granok. We ROCK!
 
Mechari do it with clones.
Chua do it in the bushes.
Aurin do it with animals.
Granok do it in the dirt
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No they were kicked off their planet for dishonor, the actual Granok are amazing, the Exiles Granok are Trash. The whole war with Falkryn in Galreas was because of Them too.
 
Wow all this post is doing is making me want to delete my Exiles.
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Do the first real zone (not Arkship + Crimson/Levian), and you will see a more broad picture of the Dominion.
 
Though I will note that the tortured citizens were being scanned because an Exile saboteur had broken into the Dominion arkship and BRAINWASHED people, if you read the quest text. As in the Exiles are perfectly fine with getting rid of free will.
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No one likes the Falkryn.  Stop talking crazy Meya.
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No one likes the Falkryn.  Stop talking crazy Meya.
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Yep, but the Exile players like to over look that. Hell I OVERLOOKED that before I did my lore research on Dominion and Exiles. Because I wanted to like the Exiles more. 
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I like the Falkryn. -_-
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Dishonor my &*%. You don't know the bottom of the story.
 
pfff.... dominion.... Can't wait for the day to end so I can come back to my place punt some Dominions butts.
Exile = Horde >>> Dominion = Alliance
You know why? cuz Chua = Gnome = are made to be punt	
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Point here is,  Dominion did the evil thing first,  we responded in kind.   In order to fight the evil you sometimes must become Evil.   And I see no shame in that.   They level a house,  we'll level a village,  they destroy a city we'll destroy the city and thousand miles around it.   Only logical choice here is for the DOminion to enter into negotiations.    Since they are the root cause of this war.
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heh look sweetie we can fight all day like cats and dogs, in the end i give not flying care. I simply stated what i saw from both sides of the tale and both sides are the same on the evil spectrum. You may not like it you may keep the blinders on but in the end exiles are just as messed up and evil as the dominion.
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Should try to hug one more,   They resist hug harder > :D
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			And Falkryn are awesome. I'm not sur I would hug one... but I guess I could fist bump them ^.^	
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On a side note, the lopp creep me out. Big time.
Basically if you get to white vale and do the locate the groomsmen quest, you find a lopp near a cave surrounded by dead bodies. His fluff text goes something like this...
"What did lopp do? What did lopp DO!?"
"Nothing. Lopp do nothing. Lopp going back to village now."
 
It was in that moment that I realized..... the lopp are way more evil then they let on.
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Dishonor my &*%. You don't know the bottom of the story.
 
pfff.... dominion.... Can't wait for the day to end so I can come back to my place punt some Dominions butts.
Exile = Horde >>> Dominion = Alliance
You know why? cuz Chua = Gnome = are made to be punt
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Except Dominion do not hug,  means they are evil!   Go ahead and try it,  hug a Draken!
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Maybe you could RP a Granok that come from Gnox to Nexus to infiltrate the Exile and ruin their life.
 
And btw, don't be so stiff about it. I wasn't trying to have a serious conversation sorry. Here, take this one, it's free (hug)
 
ps: Looking at you Scott! You know you want it. Take it! Take it!	
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Ooh  The Lopp biggest Evil the Eldan ever created.   We're all doomed!   We gotta unite against this new evil!
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Maybe you could RP a Granok that come from Gnox to Nexus to infiltrate the Exile and ruin their life.
 
And btw, don't be so stiff about it. I wasn't trying to have a serious conversation sorry. Here, take this one, it's free (hug)
 
ps: Looking at you Scott! You know you want it. Take it! Take it!
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Sorry the whole tone of this thread had me in hostile mode. So much misinformation in it. Declines hug but offers a fist bump *fist bump*
 
((I was the same way with Horde vs Alliance threads too.. You can tell i really love a faction when I start to get Hostile. haha.)
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If Dominion is close to being Alliance then I'll say they're anti alliance because gnomes do not kill confused soldiers for the sake of making the alliance better. Dominion has no tolerance for failure or confused soldiers.
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Could be said about the Exiles as well. I don't think I need to remind anyone how often Avra lets her assassins lose on other exiles do I ?
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Cassians = Blood Elves
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On a side note.... and its killing me....
Is the reference that got made during the Drusera quests.... that basically the Eldan had hit a wall in their creation of a "god being". And that the head of their order received technology from an unknown source that allowed them finish the project.
 
What kind of race has "god maker" technology laying around that they just give away?
 
Ok.. on topic...
 
The really.... "scary" thing about the Black Hoods and Avra is that they operate in a compartmentalized cell structure. Kind of unnerving when you realize the entire Exile Covert Ops branch operates with complete autonomy and no oversight.
 
Essentially trusting that a space zombie wont abuse her power....
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Not really. that's how I'd run a group of assassins. keeps the group from becoming compromised should one fail.
 
They're fighting an enemy that torutures and murders it's own citizens for events well beyond their control(like being brainwashed while in cryo). imagine what they do to captured enemies.
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Not really. that's how I'd run a group of assassins. keeps the group from becoming compromised should one fail.
 
They're fighting an enemy that torutures and murders it's own citizens for events well beyond their control(like being brainwashed while in cryo). imagine what they do to captured enemies.
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What kind of race has "god maker" technology laying around that they just give away?
 
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Let's look at each race, shall we? ^^
 
Dominion:
 
Mechari - Ruthless, cold-blooded, killing machines - who care nothing for anyone or anything, and will outright kill anything in their way of total global domination. All this to act upon this plan by the Eldan, who were proven to be quite sociopathic and none too nice in their own regards.
 
Cassians (Highborn) - Same as Mechari, but not so cold-blooded. Believe they are doing right, and threaten or act against anyone who disagrees. They revere the Eldan as gods. When the Eldan asked the Cassians if they wanted to bow down to them and their Luminai in exchange for advanced technology, they readily accepted.
 
Chua - Deranged psychopaths who have no regard for life, and treat 1000 deaths and mutations and all that as just a step in the process. Turn an entire planet into a wasteland for "science." They're like the Goblins from WoW, though far more "evil," because at least Goblins don't outright kill people for no reason.
 
Draken - Just like the green Orcs from WoW; war-like, violent by nature, and base their culture on fighting. They totally surrendered to the Dominion after the Emperor beat their chief in a duel. No thought behind their actions, just a show of strength.
 
Exiles:
 
Humans - People who were fed up with a government much like the one we have now, with over-the-top rules and severely limiting your freedom to live how you want, and rebelled (peacefully at first) and were forced to take up arms, and are now ruthlessly chased down because they don't agree with the Church.
 
Granok - A people who were asked to join the Dominion, refused, and were then attacked. "Join or Die" didn't sit well with the Granok. They were fighting a losing battle, and then a band of Granok, led by Durek, decided to break the Granok's most reverent code in order to save their people - and were banished for it.
 
Mordesh - Brilliant scientists who had the cure for death, but didn't see the side effect of making all the diseases on Grismara immortal as well. Sort of like the Eldan, huh? Then, when they asked the Dominion for help, they immediately blockaded the planet, and were preparing to totally nuke the planet. The Exiles (Humans and Granok) smuggled them out though. (Oh, and even though they're literally on a ticking time bomb, they STILL help the Exiles and try to help people around them.)
 
Aurin - Friendly, generous people who helped the Exiles in their time of need, and became friends with them. The Exiles left in a hurry, to try and avoid the Dominion causing problems, but were too late. When the Dominion showed up, and figured out the Aurin helped the Exiles, they claimed the planet as their own, and began ripping the place apart. When this happened, the Exiles came back and smuggled most of the Aurin out, but some are still there protecting The Mother Tree from the Chua.
 
So, tell me, who seems more evil now? ^^ Culturally, the Dominion seems a whole lot worse to me. Sure, individuals / groups in both factions are bad, but overall? I think the Dominion takes the cupcake here.	
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Not really. that's how I'd run a group of assassins. keeps the group from becoming compromised should one fail.
 
They're fighting an enemy that torutures and murders it's own citizens for events well beyond their control(like being brainwashed while in cryo). imagine what they do to captured enemies.
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Let's look at each race, shall we? ^^
 
Dominion:
 
Mechari - Ruthless, cold-blooded, killing machines - who care nothing for anyone or anything, and will outright kill anything in their way of total global domination. All this to act upon this plan by the Eldan, who were proven to be quite sociopathic and none too nice in their own regards.
 
Cassians (Highborn) - Same as Mechari, but not so cold-blooded. Believe they are doing right, and threaten or act against anyone who disagrees. They revere the Eldan as gods. When the Eldan asked the Cassians if they wanted to bow down to them and their Luminai in exchange for advanced technology, they readily accepted.
 
Chua - Deranged psychopaths who have no regard for life, and treat 1000 deaths and mutations and all that as just a step in the process. Turn an entire planet into a wasteland for "science." They're like the Goblins from WoW, though far more "evil," because at least Goblins don't outright kill people for no reason.
 
Draken - Just like the green Orcs from WoW; war-like, violent by nature, and base their culture on fighting. They totally surrendered to the Dominion after the Emperor beat their chief in a duel. No thought behind their actions, just a show of strength.
 
Exiles:
 
Humans - People who were fed up with a government much like the one we have now, with over-the-top rules and severely limiting your freedom to live how you want, and rebelled (peacefully at first) and were forced to take up arms, and are now ruthlessly chased down because they don't agree with the Church.
 
Granok - A people who were asked to join the Dominion, refused, and were then attacked. "Join or Die" didn't sit well with the Granok. They were fighting a losing battle, and then a band of Granok, led by Durek, decided to break the Granok's most reverent code in order to save their people - and were banished for it.
 
Mordesh - Brilliant scientists who had the cure for death, but didn't see the side effect of making all the diseases on Grismara immortal as well. Sort of like the Eldan, huh? Then, when they asked the Dominion for help, they immediately blockaded the planet, and were preparing to totally nuke the planet. The Exiles (Humans and Granok) smuggled them out though.
 
Aurin - Friendly, generous people who helped the Exiles in their time of need, and became friends with them. The Exiles left in a hurry, to try and avoid the Dominion causing problems, but were too late. When the Dominion showed up, and figured out the Aurin helped the Exiles, they claimed the planet as their own, and began ripping the place apart. When this happened, the Exiles came back and smuggled most of the Aurin out, but some are still there protecting The Mother Tree from the Chua.
 
So, tell me, who seems more evil now? ^^ Culturally, the Dominion seems a whole lot worse to me. Sure, individuals / groups in both factions are bad, but overall? I think the Dominion takes the cupcake here.
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My guess? the Lopp :)
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You laugh, but I swear to god, those little mangy fleabeaten, rabies infested, genetic throwbacks are up to their anime eyeballs in some kind of dark plot. They remind of South Parks Christmas Critters.
 
I'm telling you, never...ever...ever trust cute, cuddly, fuzzy things.
They are always up to something.
 
 
Just look at the Aurin.
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You laugh, but I swear to god, those little mangy fleabeaten, rabies infested, genetic throwbacks are up to their anime eyeballs in some kind of dark plot. They remind of South Parks Christmas Critters.
 
I'm telling you, never...ever...ever trust cute, cuddly, fuzzy things.
They are always up to something.
 
 
Just look at the Aurin.
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Look at us what? *glares*  Don't make me hug you!  *hugs anyways*  Imma hug tillyou blow up from fuzzy feelings!
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We can do that same thing in opposite.... seriously, this is just a biased opinion.
 
Cassian: humans tasked by the Eldan to create an equitable and just empire 
 
Mechari: Sentient crystals created for diplomacy that work to integrate all non-hostile sentients into the Dominion and keep it running smoothly
 
Chua: Brilliant scientists who have revolutionized Dominion technology and science
 
Draken: Honorable and proud warriors who uphold the law of the emperor
 
 
Exile humans: banished terrorists who tried to solve civil unrest with open warfare.
 
Mordesh: Promising alchemists who's hubris and arrogance unleashed a horrific zombie-apocalypse contagion upon their people, to the threat of the galaxy
 
Aurin; vicious rodents who harboured violent terrorists; and refused to produce them to the Dominion.
 
Granok: Dishonored mercenaries banished from their homeworld by their own people. Thugs and sell-swords with out dignity or self respect, so far into the bottom of a bottle they might never come out.
 
 
 
We could do this all day. Point is Both factions have bad elements, and both have spectacularly good elements.
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Hey! who took my popcorn?! *drinks red slurpee*
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The Mordesh != Victor Lazarus. His arrogance brought their problem, not their whole race's. And Victor IMMEDIATELY started working on a cure, and now dedicates his life to finding one. I think he's atoned for his problems. Not to mention that nearly all of Grismara was rooting for him. Oh, and you know why he started work on it? It's because he lost his wife, and didn't want to lose his daughter, or for other people to lose their families. Is that such a bad thing? 
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So wrong. Victor Lazarin is not a hero in the eyes of the Mordesh. He's a savior to a reluctant and bitter people.
 
Victor was about to be executed on Grismara when Avra Darkos saved his ass at the last second. She utterly despises the guy but she has the pragmatism of a mountain to realize that he's the only shot her people have at survival.
 
Yes, he's been set on a redemption path but most of the mordesh bitterly respect the guy. I wouldn't be surprised if Avra discards him after he finds a cure and produces enough of said cure to cover the remaining survivors.
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Your response has nothing to do with what he posted. 
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Lazerus was a celebrity, if you read the lore books and the TALES issue regarding it. Everyone wanted him to finally crack the code. I don't see how I'm wrong.
 
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