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			I don't know how it is on the USA side, but here the population is around 80% PVE and 20% PvP. And because we're low on pop extra people are leaving for PVE as well. So either close transfers permanently or open free transfers the other way around. Gear difference or no gear difference but there shouldn't be such a horrible difference in the server pop.	
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I agree with this.  Since the flow only goes 1 way, people are flocking off of the PvP server to the population on PvE.
 
Being on a PvP server, I think I speak for most of the people on EU and NA, that we do not care if people transfer to a PvP server from PvE.  To keep this games population growing, it is something we feel is needed.
 
Edited Suggestion:  You are keeping xfers open TO PvE from PvP until you specify a date.  Can you open up free xfers to go both ways?  Then after that window is closed, charge a normal transfer free of the $15 or $20 to go to either or.  Not only do you keep the customer base happy and the population more evenly distributed, but you make a quick buck in the process.  Win/Win for everyone.	
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			I don't know how it is for the PvP server here on the NA side, but I'd imagine that people are just not too ummm happy with pvp as a whole(not to say that people don't enjoy it, but some issues have mad eit not as appealing atm). Also that it's one way I think at the moment...	
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			I was under the impression that there are no more transfers anywhere for any reason anymore.  It's not showing up in the shop anymore, at least.	
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			This explains a lot then....NA side of servers are 80% PvE server and 20% PvP server :(	
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I was under the impression that there are no more transfers anywhere for any reason anymore.  It's not showing up in the shop anymore, at least.
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open for free until Monday due to those stuck in transfer. However after one of the biggest raiding guilds left people are under impression that Luminai won't do PVE and can't retaliate in PVE. So it's a mass exodus in the happening and I don't want a server to die. 
 
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In that case, free transfers to PVP until Monday, I suppose?  I can't really claim to know much about it.  Honestly, it seems like World PVP needs to be stepped up to make the PVP servers worth playing on, but that might be a few drops away.  I do hope your server doesn't die.  Maybe you guys could start rumble events?  Just advertise that World PVP is going down [here] on [this date]  Throw them once or twice a week?  That might help tie people into your server and get new people in to try it out.
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			This is why I believe the end goal might be creating just one massive server per region. This is just another step in that direction. Of course this is all, my own speculation. Who really knows why this system is in place.	
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This is the problem with different server rule sets.
 
I might make some Dommie chars on the PVP server, but they certainly won't get as much attention.
 
Coincidentally, how does WvWvW work in GW2 now if they switched to megaservers?	
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Coincidentally, how does WvWvW work in GW2 now if they switched to megaservers?
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Megaservers PVE only, In WvWvW you're still fighting for your server.
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The mentality of people leaving is mostly this:
- PVE guilds are in DA, if I transfer I can get into DA immediately. In here people are on 5/6 GA so I would have to wait. They transfer, realize that not all guilds want them, but they can't transfer back. So that person to a PvP server is permanently lost. 
I would say that transfers here should be opened up at least once. Some people on PVE wished to open world PvP, so let them get here. Pick a week. Maybe less. Pick a few days at least and open the transfers here.
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For a limited time before the iron curtain falls?  Probably wouldn't hurt if people REALLY want to go to PVP or are really trying to go back.  At the very least, maybe there can be an option to undo the server transfer.  If it's just for a few more days, I can't see how it would hurt.  There wouldn't be many people going 1-50 on PVE, swapping to PVP, and lording it over people leveling in 4 days.
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I know there are a lot of PvPers who are waiting for changes promised in upcoming drops, and I think this is part of the problem.
 
I agree that there needs to be free transfers from PvE to PvP, at least until all the PvP systems changes are in.	
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OK, those are good arguments, and it does seem lopsided to allow transfers in one direction but not the other. But they did have a rationale for not allowing transfer from PvE to PvP in the first place, right?
 
If I understood it right, it was so that PvPers wouldn't flock to the PvE server to get carried to the "best in game" raiding gear by raiding guilds, and then dump them and go back to the PvP server where the raiding hasn't progressed as far and pwn the place.
 
The reason I bring this up is that the problem described in the quote sounds a lot to me like it's happened because people were trying to do exactly what the exclusion from PvE to PvP was put in place to prevent.
 
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The mentality of people leaving is mostly this:- PVE guilds are in DA, if I transfer I can get into DA immediately. In here people are on 5/6 GA so I would have to wait. They transfer, realize that not all guilds want them, but they can't transfer back. So that person to a PvP server is permanently lost. 
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			I don't know about you guys but currently I don't see the transfer service to be active in my account. Are we sure that there are open transfers at the moment at all? 	
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Agreed, it's also giving a hugely false impression that PvE is the place to be. Ultimately it's the large raiding guilds who want to scoop members, started by Eugenic's move which started the bandwagon. This was a beneficial move for them to pick up some raiders because of the way transfers work, and now every guild is thinking the same way. Ultimately, it's just going to move the problem to the PvE servers whilst causing confusion and blowing out the PvP servers in the panic. A lot of people simply see threads of big DS guilds moving and assume that's the right thing / following the hype train. There's really no valid reason to not allow PvE -> PvP transfers (levelling arguments are so miniscule it's negligible). Even PvPers are starting to think that the best PvP is on PvE servers - it's making the whole system work backwards! Someone should make a detailed reddit post about this if that's what it takes to get the Carbine dev's attention. People are forgetting how amazing PvP is.
 
This is what PvP servers are about!:	
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I agree with Mirta and WalzY. The server population on Luminai is definitely an issue and reopening server transfers is only going to make the problem worse.
 
Servers transfers to Jabbit give the community the wrong signal and make it appear as if Jabbit is the server you are supposed to play on.
 
Since it's a one time thing and the transfers will be closed permanently after that make it possible to transfer in both directions and tell everyone about it so people have enough time to decide where they want to play.	
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Some make it sound like players on the PvP server only do PvP and aren't interesting in raiding. You know a big part doesn't do PvP and we have guilds raiding there.
 
We are on a PvP server because of the OPEN world PvP, fighting exile over a world boss as is shown above just make things much more dynamic and fun.
The boring bird you have killed 60 times already suddenly becomes interesting while you also have the keep the other side at bay. 	
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			so after monday there will be no server xfers? even paid?	
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			I think it's a good thing that they encourage only move one way, this way at least one realm has a chance of surviving. It's silly to split already weak population numbers (considered we're on mega servers now) into four (2x servers x2 factions). Nine out of ten times the world pvp is a joke anyway, especially in dailies area. And the latest stalker change to tether mounted players is gonna make it fun only for... well, stalkers. I'm off to Jabbit, as repelling as realm name might be.	
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wait wat, eugenic moved from Luminai?
 
Ohhhhh :( 
 
I have noticed a distinct amount of people leaving Luminai.
 
Firstly, I wont be moving. I love open world pvp, it's half the reason I created my guild (unfortunately it's hard to find)
Secondly, please open transfers from pve > pvp I have people in my guild who moved from ascendancy and made NEW CHARS just to find people to play with, they'd be so happy to transfer their old mains across. Like f'serious	
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I don't know how it is on the USA side, but here the population is around 80% PVE and 20% PvP. And because we're low on pop extra people are leaving for PVE as well. So either close transfers permanently or open free transfers the other way around. Gear difference or no gear difference but there shouldn't be such a horrible difference in the server people op.
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Well the problem is what good is playing on a PvP server?
* theres no world objectives toi really compete with the other faction and use PvP to hold their progress etc.
* most of world PvP consists of either a *cupcake* train where bunch of ppl (usually PvP geared) murder smaller groups or invididuals of the oposing faction or a 1-N stalkers ganking people, both mainly in daily zones.
Unless you enjoy ganking people in a *cupcake* train and/or with your stalker the PvP server offers you nothing you can't get on PvE server.
 
Since transfers are one way and some raiding guilds left for PvE server, leftover raiding guilds probably will move also  since very unlikely to get new blood into raid will make the attrition even worse over time for them.	
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			Theres no problem for me right now in moving from Luminai to Jabbit. Not right now.. but it's the future that I'm thinking about. WS doesn't have any meaningful OWPvP right now, but will it someday? I really don't want to miss on that if Carbibe decides to do something dedicated to that, which I doubt they'll ever do especially now when huge chunk of the population is on PvE.	
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Ha so shit is finally hitting the fan, maybe now Carbine will listen to their players feedback about PvE <> PvP transfers.
 
As for Eugenic, if transfers were PvE <> PvP we definitely wouldn't have transfered. Several of our members were disappointed they wont get to open world PvP but they had to do it for the sake of the guild roster and PvE progression. We even risked to lose a few members to the transfer that decided to quit or stay on PvP realm, but it was still better for the guild to lose 1-2 members and gain much more than that due to Carbine uneducated policies.	
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/sign
 
transfer pvp <-> pve!
 
are you listening devs?	
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Carbine, nobody gives a flying *cupcake* if someone leveled on a PvE realm and transfer to a PvP realm.
There is nothing "hardcore" about leveling and possibly getting ganked.
If people choose to go to a PvP realm they will inevitably put themselves in "danger".
 
And to be frank, all that matters is that we can recruit from whatever realm.
 
My guild has to make the super hard call now, and we might lose members because of it.
Can you PLEASE stop this ridiculous madness? (and quickly, we are losing time).
We support your game, we love it.
But this rule alone is worse than all and any bug you have and will ever have in the game. 	
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Enormous vouch for this!
Feels like you are advertising that "HEAR ME! HEAR ME! NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO LEAVE UR PVP SERVER AND MOVE TO PVE! LAST CHANCE (AGAIN) SO DO IT NOW!"
 
Close the transfers for good or open it for both ways!
There is absolutely no reason why PvE servers ppl could not go to PvP server!	
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I set my alarm to Sunday night to decide if I'm going the PvE route. I probably am. Because of exactly this:
 
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Well the problem is what good is playing on a PvP server?
* theres no world objectives toi really compete with the other faction and use PvP to hold their progress etc.
* most of world PvP consists of either a *cupcake* train where bunch of ppl (usually PvP geared) murder smaller groups or invididuals of the oposing faction or a 1-N stalkers ganking people, both mainly in daily zones.
Unless you enjoy ganking people in a *cupcake* train and/or with your stalker the PvP server offers you nothing you can't get on PvE server.
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I set my alarm to Sunday night to decide if I'm going the PvE route. I probably am. Because of exactly this:
 
 
We were arguing about it in the PvP forums: https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/116220-megaserver-first-observation/
 
Since you CAN do OWPvP on a PvE server as well, I can't see a single reason to remain on a low populated ganker's paradise.
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you can't kill anyone if nobody else will turn the pvp flag on themselves.
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Well, you know that most of those who chose the PvP server will turn it on. There are those in PvE servers turning it on as well, and even if it is only 10% of them, that's almost the size of your PvP server right there. What are you complaining about? Not being able to abuse those who at that point do not want to waste time being ganked?
 
Is there any world event I don't know about where unflagged players can impede on flagged player progress? Will there be? By that time, will there be anyone left in PvP servers to play it?
 
The answers are: No (all major quests are currently co-op, and in fact, I can't figure out why Exiles and Dommies cannot jointly run dungeons). No (content creation is too expensive to limit it to a sparsely populated server). Probably yes (people are weird).
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			Just thought I'll post this. This is our realm right now. It looked better yesterday. Actually Hazak alone looked better at noon most days. Yes, this is not prime time, but it's upsetting. I actually think that suddenly we're back at August levels of population. And that month was a very depressing month indeed.You really shouldn't leave it like this Carbine. The server is dying.	
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Carbine! Please just open up for transfers from Jabbit to Luminai ASAP :)
 
Best regards, big Wildstar fan 	
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Decided to make a comparing picture also, since its "the thing" now :P Actually there is not so big difference that I tought.
 	
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It should had been 1 megaserver with a(or more) pvp instace of each worldserver.
Then pve/pvp could share Illium/Thayd and raiding together and still have owpvp without bother pve people open world.	
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All to the same server, and before you first log in, you decide wether to be PvP or PvE player.
If you choose PvP, your character acts like its on PvP server, and you can fight in ow against other who took this.
If you choose PvE, your character acts like its on PvE server, and you wont be able to get ganked in ow.
 
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And this could be final, as it is atm when you cant change from PvE to PvP.
So if you level up as PvE toon, you stay that way to the end.	
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			Day after megaservers and even at peak times warhound is pretty empty still :( I am really considering just moving to the PvE server.	
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Just thought I'll post this. This is our realm right now. It looked better yesterday. Actually Hazak alone looked better at noon most days. Yes, this is not prime time, but it's upsetting. I actually think that suddenly we're back at August levels of population. And that month was a very depressing month indeed.
 
 
You really shouldn't leave it like this Carbine. The server is dying.
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Honestly whats "killing" Jabbit is not the free transfers.
 
It's the bandwagoners that thinks its a good idea to transfer just because Eugenic & codex did it. A vast majority of those that just follows blindly will never see DS40 anyway.	
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Carbine, nobody gives a flying *cupcake* if someone leveled on a PvE realm and transfer to a PvP realm.
There is nothing "hardcore" about leveling and possibly getting ganked.
If people choose to go to a PvP realm they will inevitably put themselves in "danger".
 
And to be frank, all that matters is that we can recruit from whatever realm.
 
My guild has to make the super hard call now, and we might lose members because of it.
Can you PLEASE stop this ridiculous madness? (and quickly, we are losing time).
We support your game, we love it.
But this rule alone is worse than all and any bug you have and will ever have in the game. 
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To be honest I think the damage is already done and not even free transfers both ways would fix it now since most of the population is already in one place. Why would you leave that?
 
The decision to not allow transfers both ways from the start doesn't make any sence at all, there is no logical reason to not allow PvE -> PvP server transfers, this isnt path of exile trying to transfer from softcore to hardcore.
 
I do not want to see this game fail but it is plagued currently with bad decisions and the people making them need to realise this and do what you have said from the beginning and LISTEN.	
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All to the same server, and before you first log in, you decide wether to be PvP or PvE player.If you choose PvP, your character acts like its on PvP server, and you can fight in ow against other who took this.
If you choose PvE, your character acts like its on PvE server, and you wont be able to get ganked in ow.
 
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And this could be final, as it is atm when you cant change from PvE to PvP.
So if you level up as PvE toon, you stay that way to the end.
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Honestly whats "killing" Jabbit is not the free transfers.
 
It's the bandwagoners that thinks its a good idea to transfer just because Eugenic & codex did it. A vast majority of those that just follows blindly will never see DS40 anyway.
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You could not be more wrong.
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			Would really love to see a response from carbine. If this is left unchecked for much longer they are going to have to merge the server into 1 PvE NA and 1 PvE EU....	
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Well you're following it because you don't believe that your guild could get enough players for datascape and maintain the roster. That was the thought process behind DS guilds. The thing is that the more guilds leave the more true that statement becomes. So the only way to reverse it around would be to NOT transfer even if that causes problems. 
So the bandwagoning effect is one of the problems of why the original problem will ring true. 
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Would really love to see a response from carbine. If this is left unchecked for much longer they are going to have to merge the server into 1 PvE NA and 1 PvE EU....
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I thought it was just the EU with this problem?
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Yes and no.
A PvE realm has been the best option for a while since they did support paid transfers there - i.e. you could recruit from any server.
Now the paid transfer seems to go away (why?) and we see no dual-plex route (why?) and like you guys are saying - everyone
and their dog are going there.
Recruiting SKILLED players on Luminai will be hard.
 
We already have enough for Datascape. But to maintain that roster we have to comply it seems.
Unless Carbine rides in and rescues Luminai with a free transfer PvP <=> PvE for a week followed by a
constant paid realm transfer service supporting it.
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While it takes time and effort I tend to help players grow rather than putting on a skill cap. Less players indeed means less skilled players too. I train people. People that are bad in July, won't be like that in October. All they need is a guild to take them under their wing and show them the ropes. 
So it's still possible to maintain a roster in Luminai. It would just take considerably more effort and nobody wants to put that effort in. 
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			So Hazak Dominion had 4 6/6 guilds left (To my knowledge) and it seems 3 off them are transferring. I think that says enough about the current state of affairs. Unless Carbine does something about this it'll be all four of them transferring, which doesn't leave much for the Dominion raiding scene on Luminai. Not sure how the Exile side is looking, but wouldn't be surprised if it's the same.	
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			Hazak seems to have a considerable less amount of players now.	
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So Hazak Dominion had 4 6/6 guilds left (To my knowledge) and it seems 3 off them are transferring. I think that says enough about the current state of affairs. Unless Carbine does something about this it'll be all four of them transferring, which doesn't leave much for the Dominion raiding scene on Luminai. Not sure how the Exile side is looking, but wouldn't be surprised if it's the same.
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Honestly whats "killing" Jabbit is not the free transfers.
 
It's the bandwagoners that thinks its a good idea to transfer just because Eugenic & codex did it. A vast majority of those that just follows blindly will never see DS40 anyway.
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We're not progressing trough raids as fast as the PVE side, PVE side also has more people and people can get into DA faster.
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			The "leveling on pve to transfer to pvp" arguement is old and just plain stupid. It's not harder at all and there is very little ganking anyways.	
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The bottom line is this. It doesn't matter what server type you leveled on or how you leveled. PvP server population is shrinking because people are allowed to transfer to a PvE server but not PvE > PvP. That is the issue and point of this thread, not if you should get some pat on the back for leveling on a PvP server or w/e. Stick to the topic of the thread.
 
 
 
 
 
This is a extremely serious issue right now and if its not delt with....Carbine WILL have to merge the servers....again.	
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Synergy is having a guild meeting tomorrow about this topic, and even though we prefer to play on a PvP server, it will be very likely that we are moving to Jabbit also.
 
Its very obvious that Luminai is dying and imo the only fix is to just leave the free transfer open for a long period of time (talking about at least 2 months here) and make then go both ways PvP <-> PvE. This way the dust can settle down and all the (raiding-) guilds that fear playing on a dying server, don't have to make a rushed decision about staying or leaving.
 
After the long period of free transfers you can change it back into a paid service, but still need to keep it open in both directions.	
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To my knowledge Our Sick Story and Lokes List are now transferring.
I heard that Perfect Dark X might go as well.
 
And we (Immortalis Noctis) are currently talking it over (and leaning towards moving).
 
So you are correct.
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Its very obvious that Luminai is dying and imo the only fix is to just leave the free transfer open for a long period of time (talking about at least 2 months here) and make then go both ways PvP <-> PvE. This way the dust can settle down and all the (raiding-) guilds that fear playing on a dying server, don't have to make a rushed decision about staying or leaving.
 
After the long period of free transfers you can change it back into a paid service, but still need to keep it open in both directions.
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Gear difference or no gear difference but there shouldn't be such a horrible difference in the server pop.
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All you old hazak buddies are leaving us?
 
WHY?!
 
I'm actually pretty sad right now, knowing that most of the people I used to play with are moving to a pve server as well as some of the best PvP players EU from those various raiding guilds.
 
It's going to put people off in my guild even more, playing the game. This is horribly depressing for me, please carbine consider opening the transfer to pvp, and at least opening paid transfers between the two.
 
It will kill Luminai.
 
HOW CAN YOU PLAY ON A SERVER CALLED.... JABBIT? D:
Luminai sounds so much more awesome T.T	
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Folks, there's not much I can really say at this point but as this thread is growing quickly I did want to post something.
 
We'll be flagging this feedback to Carbine (as we do all your concerns) but any decision to open up more realm transfers/turn off transfers etc will be up to Cougar and his team.
 
We'll pass on your concerns, but I can't give you an answer to your questions sadly.	
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Find any excuse you want. Personally, I'm transfering because of endless ganking I have been exposed to since the merger, and being made fun of by my own faction when I ask for help. This is the reverse definition of fun.
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ROFL!! Dude you rolled on a PVP server, wtf did you think that meant? No one made you select the server you picked that was all you and now you're whining about it. You're the reason I wished they allowed same faction pvp, I'd gank you just to listen to you mewl.
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If I saw someone crying like a baby on a pvp server about getting ganked (and after reading his posts all over the forum, and in the pvp forum) in the most infuriating, wussy and well... childish manner I would not help him out either. Why? Because he knew what he was getting himself in for.
 
He wasn't trying WPvP, he was looking for bodyguards. There is a difference.	
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If I saw someone crying like a baby on a pvp server about getting ganked (and after reading his posts all over the forum, and in the pvp forum) in the most infuriating, wussy and well... childish manner I would not help him out either. Why? Because he knew what he was getting himself in for.
 
He wasn't trying WPvP, he was looking for bodyguards. There is a difference.
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To be fair, his faction should not be making fun of him for asking for reinforcements, as escalation is part of wPvP. One can either assume that he can't handle a 1v1, or one can assume that he's getting ganked by multiple enemy players (usually the case). In either scenario, if his faction expects wPvP to be a thing, they should be helping him, not making fun of him.
 
If you actively alienate people who are TRYING wPvP, you have no right to complain about a declining PvP server population.
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What did people think was going to happen with a PVE focused game with team balanced instance PVP.
 
Nothing in this game screams world PVP. The PVP servers will most like die off like many other previous MMO pvp servers.
 
I would say transfer while you can!	
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Well if he's was asking for help the same way he's whining here then yeah he deserves to be laughed at.
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			Let's not get too off-topic here.We are trying to save Luminai people.	
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It is a legitimate enough thing to say, but believe me if I did dailies or was in the zone and someone said in zone "3 people ganking in so-and-so arena, could I please get a hand in killing this exile scum?" I'd grab in my guildies and go help out.
 
Just because some people gank, it doesn't mean the server is broken. It's part of how it works, you either deal with it like you are meant to, fight back and ask politely for help (and even if you don't receive any, just run to a safe zone... guards one shot).
 
But I digress, Luminai needs some love. Seriously, I'm begging as a person who KNOWS why half of her large guild are not signing in is, and that is because  when they do, there is noone around.
 
Allowing free or paid transfer with a time limit between the two (even something ridic like 30days) would fix so many problems. Recruitment would be better for both sides.
It just seems unfair to be stuck here without us being able to get active pvpers onto our server either. And I know a fair few! <3
 
Thankyou for passing the feedback on Anlath <3	
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Folks, there's not much I can really say at this point but as this thread is growing quickly I did want to post something.
 
We'll be flagging this feedback to Carbine (as we do all your concerns) but any decision to open up more realm transfers/turn off transfers etc will be up to Cougar and his team.
 
We'll pass on your concerns, but I can't give you an answer to your questions sadly.
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			"Allow a week to a month of free transfers PvP <=> PvE followed by ALWAYS allowing a paid transfer for PvP <=> PvE".	
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This sounds like a crappy situation, I sympathize with you all. :(
 
However, I don't think anyone should be turning the flame-thrower on Carbine for this. The first solution I see thrown around in here is to open the gate both ways, but that's going to compromise the balance between people who have 'earned' 50 in a PVP environment, and those who have not. It's also not a very good solution to the problem because if the PVP servers are that significantly outnumbered, who would even want to transfer from PVE to PVP in the first place? Consequently I can't see how it would help things to open PVE -> PVP transfers.
 
The other solution offered so far is to stop free transfers entirely. The problem I see with that is you're asking Carbine to trap other players on a low population server so that you don't feel lonely. I can't see how this is fair, or useful, as many people who want to transfer but can't will likely just quit the game or reroll, while a lot of others will just complain nonstop and drag their community down.
 
Again, I feel for all of you and hope that someone can devise a solution that's fair and helps everyone involved. But right now there are some posts in this thread that are quite rude, inaccurate, and blamey in an unproductive and misleading way.
 
I think the most apparent way this will go right now, is Carbine will keep the one-way transfer open, monitor active population, and merge PVP with PVE if the need exists. There'll be some legitimate complaints about that, but hey, if RPers can suck it up, PVPers (who are generally pretty thick-skinned) can do the same. wPVP will still exist if folks want it to, as will instanced games.
 
Really hope it works out for all of you. We all know what a low pop server feels like, it's probably the worst thing an MMO player can deal with.	
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 but that's going to compromise the balance between people who have 'earned' 50 in a PVP environment
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Trust me, nobody cares about that, not even a little bit. The "earning your level 50 on pvp" arguement is such a BS excuse.
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It's a minority opinion, who cares how someone levelled? If they're that much of a carebear to level on pve to switch to pvp they're most likely gonna cry when they get ganked anyways and run back with their tail behind their legs.
 
I'm all for opening the gateways, and actively encourage it.
My guild will be working hard to start daily WPvP events in certain areas and would love exiles to join in, hopefully an exile guild would follow suit.
 
Seriously, people enjoy the pvp aspect of the game, but the reason they are transferring to pve is the lack of being able to recruit people either side. You can't recruit PvE players on a PvP server mostly because it's PvX players on there, some like a balance of both. So many people are following suit because it's IMPOSSIBLE to get from Jabbit to Luminai, if there were transfers the other way too, I think the pops would have balanced a lot more evenly and I'm pretty sure some of the biggest guilds would have stayed on Luminai (I know a fair amount of very good pvpers from many raid guilds that have already left, and I know a lot of them would engage with the WPvP fun :D)	
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I really hope Carbine takes this serious and try to fix it. It is so sad to see all there hard work be ruin for such a small accident. I really feel bad for them, the beast is out!
 
The best way to fix this, had been to make ppl able to pay for a transfer between pve and pvp servers, both ways!  This will not only fix the problem, but make the raiding environments better for both servers.
 
You need to find a guild that mach your playstile, or less you will lose out on a lot of fun!  Making servers transfere go both ways, will make it more poseble to find a suitable guild.
 
It had been even better If you can pay CREDD for the transfer! This way CREDD becomes more viable, the poor kids become happy, and Carbine gets more money!
 
Win for everyone!	
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Another thing, I have never seen the problem with people leveling on a pve server, than transfer to a pvp server.  If they wish for that, it is find my me, more money to carbine! 
 
Assuming they add paid character transfere between both server types. People will be happy to pay for this, so no worries there! 	
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It's a minority opinion, who cares how someone levelled? If they're that much of a carebear to level on pve to switch to pvp they're most likely gonna cry when they get ganked anyways and run back with their tail behind their legs.
 
I'm all for opening the gateways, and actively encourage it.
My guild will be working hard to start daily WPvP events in certain areas and would love exiles to join in, hopefully an exile guild would follow suit.
 
Seriously, people enjoy the pvp aspect of the game, but the reason they are transferring to pve is the lack of being able to recruit people either side. You can't recruit PvE players on a PvP server mostly because it's PvX players on there, some like a balance of both. So many people are following suit because it's IMPOSSIBLE to get from Jabbit to Luminai, if there were transfers the other way too, I think the pops would have balanced a lot more evenly and I'm pretty sure some of the biggest guilds would have stayed on Luminai (I know a fair amount of very good pvpers from many raid guilds that have already left, and I know a lot of them would engage with the WPvP fun :D)
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			Will do! Just waiting on a few more guys to say what time is good for them to join in currently ;)	
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Iif there were transfers the other way too, I think the pops would have balanced a lot more evenly and I'm pretty sure some of the biggest guilds would have stayed on Luminai
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I have to respectfully disagree here. Rolling on or transfering to a PVP server is not a decision anyone makes lightly, and as of megaserver launch there's been no reason to transfer to PVP. Whenever I see a post about wPVP it's an assertion that wPVP is dead and there's almost no difference in server type now. So given a choice between a server type with more raid guilds (in this raid-intensive game) and no grief ganking, and the PVP server type that now has nothing to offer, again, who's going to transfer to the PVP server?
 
Both sides are offering conjecture here, so I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just waiting for someone to explain why any significant number of people would actually make use of PVE -> PVP server transfers.
 
edit: Also, someone else in this thread said their raid guild is transferring for a better economy, not recruitment, so you need to keep that in mind too.
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At one point I would have made the jump but now what's the point I won't jump into a sinking ship.
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			How stupid can you be having pve<=> pvp stransfers open ....	
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			"Allow a week to a month of free transfers PvP <=> PvE followed by ALWAYS allowing a paid transfer for PvP <=> PvE".	
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"Allow a week to a month of free transfers PvP <=> PvE followed by ALWAYS allowing a paid transfer for PvP <=> PvE".
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How stupid can you be having pve<=> pvp stransfers open ....
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Folks, there's not much I can really say at this point but as this thread is growing quickly I did want to post something.
 
We'll be flagging this feedback to Carbine (as we do all your concerns) but any decision to open up more realm transfers/turn off transfers etc will be up to Cougar and his team.
 
We'll pass on your concerns, but I can't give you an answer to your questions sadly.
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i take it you think this is a bad idea? why?
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			Whens Warlords of Draenor released again? time to dust off my warlock methinks....	
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simple pve is pve pvp is pvp nothing to commit on that not mixing stuff
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So nothing really to add to the conversation just blowing smoke, gotcha.
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If i need to explain to you the obvious im not gonna waste my time... apart that it might be your first game so you are excused
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It's also not a very good solution to the problem because if the PVP servers are that significantly outnumbered, who would even want to transfer from PVE to PVP in the first place? Consequently I can't see how it would help things to open PVE -> PVP transfers.
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what they should do is make all pvp exclusive to pvp only server.  This means that arenas,bgs and open world as only for pvp servers.
 
No PVE queing for anything pvp related.	
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what they should do is make all pvp exclusive to pvp only server. This means that arenas,bgs and open world as only for pvp servers.
 
No PVE queing for anything pvp related.
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I've seen a bunch of people state that population is 80% PVE / 20% PVP. 
 
Where are these numbers coming from?  Are people just pulling numbers out of the air or is there some way to see population numbers per server?
 
Thanks	
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what they should do is make all pvp exclusive to pvp only server.  This means that arenas,bgs and open world as only for pvp servers.
 
No PVE queing for anything pvp related.
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I've seen a bunch of people state that population is 80% PVE / 20% PVP. 
 
Where are these numbers coming from?  Are people just pulling numbers out of the air or is there some way to see population numbers per server?
 
Thanks
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What you're missing is why was it outnumbered in the first place. Its due to one way PvP -> PvE... Many guilds that were in PvP including ours moved to PvE because of this policy not because we prefer PvE servers. Its completely Carbines fault for ignoring feedback and having this horrible policy.
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Carbine, can you please chip in?
 
You are right now making guilds argue within themselves 
and actually become angry with eachother.
 
Remember that it is late in the EU, and we all know that you are not
going to work Saturday nor Sunday - which is when we would have
to have made our decision.	
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			Merge PvE and PvP megaservers. Have OW-PvP areas in zones that force flag you and that will be the end of it. 	
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"Allow a week to a month of free transfers PvP <=> PvE followed by ALWAYS allowing a paid transfer for PvP <=> PvE".
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So basically, if people had the opportunity to go from Jabbit > Luminai Eugenic would still be on Luminai?
 
This makes me incredibly sad. It really does. Seeing all the great guilds I got to know from Hazak jump ship because of this stupid policy is just so frustrating.
 
I wish you lads/ladies the best of luck over there, will miss seeing a lot of your nameplates around. /salutes sadly
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Its simple why this happened.
 
First PVP to PVE transfers.... derp coulda seen that coming.
 
Second PVP servers are really rather pointles.  The bulk of pvp comes from BG's and arenas.
 
World pvp is non existant for the most part.
 
I level 3 50's on Pergo.  I didn't get ganked a single time and saw maybe a handful of dominion.  I hit 50... go to do SW only to see dom and exile trying to kill it together and keep from hitting each other with telegraphs! LOL REALLY!
 
So pvp servers are kinda lame.  The factions actively try to help each other anyways.  The only pvp I have seen is stalkers ganking daily zones, or big groups that are geared ganking small groups or single players.  Thats not pvp thats just...well whatever to each their own.
 
The point is Wildstar PVP servers are lame as hell.  All the big guilds and big raiders are on pve servers, so thats where everyone went.
 
If you want a pvp server to flourish you cant have the main pvp be instanced.  It has to be realm based out in the open world.  Thats how pvp gains traction this, bg arena crap killed pvp on pvp servers.
 
And for the record I transferred all 3 of my max characters to stormtalon before the merge to play with bigger guilds and raid.  I don't really pvp much but I liked the idea of being able to kill the other faction.... but that never happened in fact I rarely saw Dom while leveling.  And if I did engage the handfull I saw they would just jump up and down till dead.
 
TL:DRPVP servers are lame sauce offering nothing to the open world dynamics of world pvp.  Factions try to work together anyways, all real pvp is done in bg's/arenas.	
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We are probably the last GA 6/6 (Exile Guild) at the moment on Luminai server!
We we're looking forward to recruit few more people and start our Datascape raids, but when I see what is happening! This seems impossible :(
 
We gonna have a guild meeting as well and probably move over to Jabbit... The problem is the time we have.... is just limited and a lot of our members can't transfer in such short notice!
 
They really need to extend the server transfers... else a lot of people will go nuts!
 
It was Carbine's fault that did not let players transfer from PvE to PvP.... Now do you see what is happening?
 
Soon there will be no "Luminai" and we gonna have what we always wanted! 
 
ONE MEGA SERVER!
 
 
p.s. Couger and his team need to give us an answer TODAY! Else there will be more problems on Monday :p	
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Oh god, not more people moving :(
 
My guildies POINT BLANK REFUSE to move to a pve server. Seriously, the talk between the officers here, when I tried to bring it up as a possibility I almost got my head bitten off. (on top of that, levelling a pvp guild through pvp is impossible we have already done it once, first on contagion, then moving to hazak to make a new guild, and then if we move again... another guild?! no thanks)
 
But it's the same for us, how the hell am I meant to recruit new players, why now would PvPers roll on the pvp server when there are no guilds to join if they wish to play an mmo not a ghost town? They won't, it's made my future on wildstar look so very dark.
 
I love wildstar, it's one of the funnest and brightest MMO's I've played with a great company who actively gets involved with the community. You guys are listening, yes, but please... listen to us now as the voices of reason (not the whiner minority that get changes in... how i dont know) make the transfers fair, or merge the servers with dedicated flagged areas for pvp.	
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We are probably the last GA 6/6 (Exile Guild) at the moment on Luminai server!
We we're looking forward to recruit few more people and start our Datascape raids, but when I see what is happening! This seems impossible :(
 
We gonna have a guild meeting as well and probably move over to Jabbit... The problem is the time we have.... is just limited and a lot of our members can't transfer in such short notice!
 
They really need to extend the server transfers... else a lot of people will go nuts!
 
It was Carbine's fault that did not let players transfer from PvE to PvP.... Now do you see what is happening?
 
Soon there will be no "Luminai" and we gonna have what we always wanted! 
 
ONE MEGA SERVER!
 
 
p.s. Couger and his team need to give us an answer TODAY! Else there will be more problems on Monday :P
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We are having a meeting on Sunday (possible guild merge).
No idea what is going to happen... 
 
 
 
 
p.s. But if some one wants to apply to our guild, go here: http://equilibriumeu.enjin.com/	
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World pvp is non existant for the most part.
 
The only pvp I have seen is stalkers ganking daily zones, or big groups that are geared ganking small groups or single players.  Thats not pvp thats just...well whatever to each their own.
 
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I am going to say this as mildly as i can:
 
What...The....*cupcake*....??????
 
 
How in hell does anyone that has any idea on how raiding/vertical progression based game works thinks that PvP-->PvE only transfers is a good idea?
Seriously?
 
 
I mean, sometimes I think Wildstar is a good Game DESPITE Carbine, rather than because of Carbine......	
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*snip*
 
This right here, is probably a good chunk of people that left pvp servers.
Its neither fun nor entertaining to be steamrolled by a large group constantly, while trying to do dailies.
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We are having a meeting on Sunday (possible guild merge).
No idea what is going to happen... 
 
 
 
 
p.s. But if some one wants to apply to our guild, go here: http://equilibriumeu.enjin.com/
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			wheres the dev response in all this	
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wheres the dev response in all this
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You're not exactly the last. Walzy's crew is staying. They used to be VOTH, but now they're Project Legacy (I think?)
 
I would suggest to perhaps stay and merge. 1DA guild looks better and more inviting than 0DA guilds and a desolate server.
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We have a GM's/Officers/Members meeting on Sunday with VoTH :) At least, this is what was arranged today. (from my understanding)
 
 
p.s. We are the last GA 6/6 exile guild on Luminai... This is what I was trying to say "by last" (at least I think we are).
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Well Carbine just cupcaked it up... You can (and should) expect that with one way (cant really understand why) transfer sooner or later population on one type of server will be larger and at some point it can attract players from other server, eventually making one of them ghost server.
It was that way even before free transfers, where many players stick to PvE or stopped playing cuz they can't move to PvP server (there wasnt any problem going different direction), even if they were willing to pay for that, well some of course started new char, but they were in vast minority.
 
Now there is nothing to do. Majority of guild players already left. Majority of remaining will do it till Monday. Few that will stay will either do only PvP, have very little population to play with (same as before megaserver for those less populated ones), end the game or await miracle of vast growth of PvP population, that will most likely not happen.
Actually only thing that Carbine could do would be simply marge PvP server with PvE, but I don't see any good in that neither.	
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Final straw for me.
 
The bandwagoners, the crying, the hate, the horrible bugs, the push backs for just SOMETHING to do - Other than fighting the roster boss. I defended WS with much passion up to this point but I find myself more frustrated than entertained at this point and its been that way for good 14 days. I knew megaservers would spell problems, but I sure as hell didn't anticipate this poop storm.
 
Hope to see some of the awesome players in other MMOs Just too bad there are no MMOs on the market that gives people challenging content (NO WOW HC IS NOT HARD WHEN YOU PLAYED IN TOP 10 GUILDS FOR YEARS)
 
Maybe its time for a gaming break after having played for 16 years, seems like the genre I like no longer has place for the hardcore gamers,	
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Free transfers to Jabbit are not the problem.
 
The problem is all the people shouting "OMG EVERYONE IS TRANSFERRING TO JABBIT".
 
Becuase it just might become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you like the idea of a PvP server, then stay on a PvP server. Megaservers were never going to buff the population much. If anything, Drop 3 will do that.	
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Free transfers to Jabbit are not the problem.
 
The problem is all the people shouting "OMG EVERYONE IS TRANSFERRING TO JABBIT".
 
Becuase it just might become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you like the idea of a PvP server, then stay on a PvP server. Megaservers were never going to buff the population much. If anything, Drop 3 will do that.
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Free transfers to Jabbit are not the problem.
 
The problem is all the people shouting "OMG EVERYONE IS TRANSFERRING TO JABBIT".
 
Becuase it just might become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you like the idea of a PvP server, then stay on a PvP server. Megaservers were never going to buff the population much. If anything, Drop 3 will do that.
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problem is this:
Less pop = no recruitment for raiding, no good economy, nobody to do open world content with. 
Perhaps people wouldn't have been jumping the ship as they did if they weren't told "if you don't transfer till monday, you're stuck here forever", so what followed was "oh Codex is going, so should we and we and we".
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You're not exactly the last. Walzy's crew is staying. They used to be VOTH, but now they're Project Legacy (I think?)
 
I would suggest to perhaps stay and merge. 1DA guild looks better and more inviting than 0DA guilds and a desolate server.
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[snip]
Also, the EU servers just went down for maintenance. I wonder if it's related to all this?
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If the PVP server is going into low population then you had better get off that server while you still can.  After Monday you will be stranded there.  Besides, is open world PVP really all that awesome in WS?  I honestly don't know.
 
Can someone tell me is openworld PVP awesome in WS?  If it isn't that awesome I would just got to the PVE server .....FAST.  If the openworld PVP is just amazing...well stick it out then!	
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There was a bug in the scripts that did the server mergers, that were causing problems for a limited subset of players.  The EU maintenance yesterday was our attempt at fixing them.  And it did fix "most" of them.  But yesterday we only fixed the ones we knew were problems, but today more problems presented themselves.  So today's fix was to fix all the rest, whether they were having problems or not.  The people who were having the issues ended up not being able to play certain characters.
 
It was purely coincidence that the same bug with the same scripts didn't affect NA.  It only affected about 0.0002% of the records.
 
Realm Transfer's exacerbated the problem.  Which is why we shut them down yesterday, and brought them back up on NA much sooner than EU.  The EU transfers weren't re-enabled until after the maintenance.
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Alright, I'm Xansu and people who know me from Hazak and now Luminai are aware that I'm usually quite positive and that I try to do as much for the community as I can.
 
Unfortunately, there don't seem that many left I could even try to help.
 
Carbine, I beg you: Allow transfers in both directions for a couple of weeks and let the players decide where they want to play. 
 
 
This sight on a saturday morning just makes me sad. :(
 	
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Everywhere I see this topic, it's always "Carbine, stop letting people leave us" or "Carbine, open reverse transfers to bring people back!"
 
All of these gripes come from people still on PVP servers, looking on as everyone else flocks away.  But... practically nowhere am I seeing dissatisfaction from the people who did transfer.  There aren't wild outcries of "I transferred and it was a mistake, let me back!"  No, the people transferring are doing it because they see the move as a positive for themselves for a variety of reasons--even those who feel "forced" to move do so with a casual shrug rather than going kicking and screaming.
 
It seems to me, the outcry is ultimately about the actions of other players, the desire for Carbine to somehow step in and stop other people from playing the way they want and make them play the playstyle that the outspoken minority wants instead.
 
Carbine certainly should not be stepping in on this issue to halt/stop transfers  simply because one group of players are being obnoxious about the perfectly reasonable and rational decisions of another group who merely feel they're doing what's in their own interests.	
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Really stipp? Have you even read this thread? People have said they wish they could move to PvP but they can't, whole guilds are moving because the easiest route to recruiting is only on the pve server at the moment.
 
The biggest guilds EU in terms of raiding only transferred because PEOPLE COULD NOT GET HERE, otherwise they would have stayed on the pvp side happily. 
 
And yes, some of us do arrange WPvP.
I'm sorry but I'm not being unreasonable for wanting to stay on a pvp server, especially as I've played on one since closed beta. I have no problem with people transferring off at all, but I really don't want to do that myself! I would like my guild members who are still levelling NEW MAINS on this server to be able to come here on their mains, but they can't transfer here.
 
So yes, I'm going to kick and scream about moving pve because half of my guild which is over 100 people are POINT BLANK refusing to play on a pve server. I have no problem with transferring personally, but my guild's opinion is far more important than my own, I will not abandon the community I have built from scratch.
What is the point for them to move? They came here to pvp on wildstar (which newsflash, whilst it is not balanced in arena and we have not that many bgs is still incredible fun and still has a great community) and would still like to WPvP on wildstar. Heck a few of us have made alts on luminai now as exiles and are planning to level up so we can make groups on exile side for WPvP. 
 
Is it really so selfish to ask carbine to let people decide for themselves freely where they want to play?
 
If it is not technically possible, I would like to be merged entirely with an option to permanently flag yourself for open world pvp :)	
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Hey, i'll join this discussion 2 :).
 
So here is how things stand as i play this game for casual fun, i stay where my few friends stay, but the problem is after few week i will be stuck on a dead PVP server where AH prices will be  unbalanced + CREDD prices will go sky high.
 
So as time will go i will be stuck without play time and noway to make gold, only pure grind and no thx to that.
 
So i will give this PVP server if my friends stay a shot for week or two and if we are stuck on a dead server sadly i will leave this game for good :(.
 
and this is a picture of a MMORPG main city on a PVP server THX CARBINE! I hope people who did this to us are really happy now!!!
 
Edit: funny thing is when Codex needs help they get <12h respond rly rly sad.
 	
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Alright, I wasn't aware there was a history with this particular person. It seemed like his post here was legitimate enough.
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Again folks, the discussion is obviously a heated one which I understand, but please leave the personal insults out of it. There are ways of expressing your concerns without resorting to flaming one another here on the forums. 
 
Thank you
- Team WildStar 	
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			Carbine seriously, if the devs are still listening, do something about the Luminai server (PvP) because the population is really low and if the problem persists, soon there will be no-one left...  :unsure:	
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Cynical are staying on Luminai Dominion, but only because there's no possible way to transfer everyone before the deadline (and after leveling the guild three times, we don't want to shoot for a fourth).
 
If the server population ends up back where we were on Ravenous then it will be impossible for us to continue with the game.	
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To wake up to nothing but two Carbine responses completely unrelated to the issue,
is not a great start of my day.
 
I guess the decision is being made for us.
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			Players goes to PVE because they see everyone doing that! in our guild in luminai everybody talks about SUPER POPULATED pve server and we are loosing members every damn dayFACT: after the Merge, "mega-server" Luminai was empty like it was hazzak before, you just see 2-3 player standing in thyad and doing nothing..Nobody cares about what Hardcore players says, "transfer from PvE to PvP is unfair bla bla bla if it will ever happens i'm gonna leave blah blah blah" ALL YOUR HARDCORE PLAYER LEFT 1 MONTH AFTER RELEASE! that's what Hardcore players are all about! TRASH! time to change your mind carabine!Also, many friend of mine transferred to vpve, they thought it was funny because you can do what you want with no risk, after 1 week they quitted because it felt boring. 	
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Carbine, nobody gives a flying *cupcake* if someone leveled on a PvE realm and transfer to a PvP realm.
There is nothing "hardcore" about leveling and possibly getting ganked.
If people choose to go to a PvP realm they will inevitably put themselves in "danger".
 
And to be frank, all that matters is that we can recruit from whatever realm.
 
My guild has to make the super hard call now, and we might lose members because of it.
Can you PLEASE stop this ridiculous madness? (and quickly, we are losing time).
We support your game, we love it.
But this rule alone is worse than all and any bug you have and will ever have in the game. 
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If Carbine open for paid character transfer freely between pvp and pve servers in the further, everything is fine.
 
But the problem now, is that we don't know! The last information we have, is that character transfer will be closed forever.  Making people really afraid of the possibility of getting stuck on a dead server.
 
I personal don't think the server will be dead, but people are afraid of it. They panic and makes the situation more critical.	
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If Carbine open for paid character transfer freely between pvp and pve servers in the further, everything is fine.
 
But the problem now, is that we don't know! The last information we have, is that character transfer will be closed forever.  Making people really afraid of the possibility of getting stuck on a dead server.
 
I personal don't think the server will be dead, but people are afraid of it. They panic and makes the situation more critical.
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Carbine seriously, if the devs are still listening, do something about the Luminai server (PvP) because the population is really low and if the problem persists, soon there will be no-one left...  :unsure:
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If no one will ever say something QUICKLY i think i'll move to Jabbit too, with a couple of friends, i feel sad since pvp is all what i love to do, but in a server where you find no one to kill it's not funny, not funny at all 
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I assume the Devs are listening, but just give them abit time for it. I think they will do something about the Free transfer, Maybe make it both ways. I would love to get my self transferred to pvp server  :D
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We, people on PvP server, feel like we're running out of time. There's no time to give. The transfers close on Monday and for now it seems that they close for good, with no payed or free transfers available. We need at least a definite response of their action plan before Monday. 
 
 
Actually Thursday was good. Thursday looked better that July in Hazak. However now the megaserver, whole megaserver looks worse than the month of lowest population on Hazak. It's as bad as it gets
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If Carbine open for paid character transfer freely between pvp and pve servers in the further, everything is fine.
 
But the problem now, is that we don't know! The last information we have, is that character transfer will be closed forever.  Making people really afraid of the possibility of getting stuck on a dead server.
 
I personal don't think the server will be dead, but people are afraid of it. They panic and makes the situation more critical.
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(they have weekends in the US as well, right)
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It looks to me like Carbine are after a single megaserver. They leapt into action within hours when a few members of one guild got stuck mid-transfer to PvE. Now we have an 8-page thread shouting to save our PvP server, we get tumbleweed.
 
TBH, although the screenshot in the middle of this thread with a massive pitched PvP battle is what we're after, really all we get are the unkillable stalkers ganking and/or griefing during dailies.
 
Looks like a lose/lose situation to me.	
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			Having transfer one way instead of both is messed up and stupid!  No reasoning is sufficient.  Either allow both ways or none at all. 	
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Having transfer one way instead of both is messed up and stupid!  No reasoning is sufficient.  Either allow both ways or none at all. 
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			i'm curious is warhound experiencing the same issue?	
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			Looking at some of the posts on reddit, it seems Warhound is in the same situation, although I'm not sure whether it's as bad as on Luminai. Luminai practically lost its entire English raiding community, especially if IN also transfers (And the members are heavily favoring transferring atm).	
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Looking at some of the posts on reddit, it seems Warhound is in the same situation, although I'm not sure whether it's as bad as on Luminai. Luminai practically lost its entire English raiding community, especially if IN also transfers (And the members are heavily favoring transferring atm).
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			i sort of wish that they didn't have the regions, i understand why they do it, but it sure would make playing in the morning a bit more enjoyable i would think	
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Let me reiterate; why do we need separate PvP servers for this game?
 
Open OW-PvP zones in the world and get rid of the separate rule-set servers. In this day and age its both unnecessary and silly.	
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Let me reiterate; why do we need separate PvP servers for this game?
 
Open OW-PvP zones in the world and get rid of the separate rule-set servers. In this day and age its both unnecessary and silly.
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			And Immortalis Noctis is transferring. Rip Dominion Luminai raiding scene.	
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That would work, but it would mean no low level open world pvp. And no invasion on each others towns :)
 
I liked the idea where you choose your character is pvp or pve. If they're pvp their pvp flag is on all the time, but everyone is playing on the same server. 
 
But for now, Transfers PVE -> PvP would be nice enough.
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And Immortalis Noctis is transferring. Rip Dominion Luminai raiding scene.
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And Immortalis Noctis is transferring. Rip Dominion Luminai raiding scene.
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I guess the Devs are listening.
 
The real shame is that's all they're doing. Really disappointed about the way they have handled this.
 
Edit: The way they *haven't* handled this.They've literally done nothing about it.	
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Serious question; Who rolls on a PvP server for PvE content? If you wan't to raid play on a PvE server; if you wan't to PvP play on the PvP server......... Rocket science man...
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Serious question; Who rolls on a PvP server for PvE content? If you wan't to raid play on a PvE server; if you wan't to PvP play on the PvP server......... Rocket science man...
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			Synergy decided to stay on Luminai, for the peeps interested.	
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Probably because there are hardly any reasons to play on a PvP server in Wildstar. The end game in Wildstar is raids, that's it. There is no end game for PvP. PvE can que up for arenas, battlegrounds, and (have you seen?) warplots just like PvP can. Both have the same access to dailies while PvE server has the added benefit of finishing them a lot faster because you don't have to worry about ganks while both factions can also work together on world boss dailies/events.
 
There's no fort/castle that boths sides have to fight over for control for added benefits to their side. There are no open world bosses that spawn once every couple days that drop amazing gear so both sides will fight over it. All we have are ganks in daily zones that no one wants to do anyway. Open world PvP flat out sucks in Wildstar. There needs to be a reason why if you roll on a PvE server you miss out on a portion of the game. The only reason this game has PvP at all is because it uses two factions, so people are more likely to "pvp". Take away factions and this game has nothing.	
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From my gaming experience- most of the top raid guilds in WoW all played on PvP servers, & PvE servers are boring.
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			I'd just like to point out that, in my 15 years of MMO raiding, I have never rolled on a PvE server (I enjoy open world PvP). WS is the first MMO I've ever played where I've been circumstantially 'forced' to transfer to a PvE server. Neither I nor my guild members want to be on a PvE server, but we've been down this road before. We played the martyr on Zhur, sticking it out 'til the final hour, but eventually moved to Hazak as there were 5 people in Illium on Zhur at any given hour. It's easy to accuse guilds of following others, but most who have transferred have had to make the pressing decision of whether or not they are willing to get locked on an underwhelming realm while others are jumping ship. It's a difficult situation, and I wish that I could've stayed, but I intend to play this game for a long time, and don't wish to be locked down in an empty realm.	
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Oh man, grim wolves left too?
 
Dude, no way :(	
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