148061-a-question-on-supporting-wildstar-while-also-being-critical-of-its-mistakes

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So, I am someone who started playing Wildstar star soon after its release and after playing a few months decided I didn't enjoy the direction NCSOFT/Carbine was taking. I have recently returned and really enjoy how much more content there is to do that feels rewarding (world bosses, contracts, etc.). However, the game still has some issues and definitely needs another raid tier.
 
With that said, how do we as a community support Wildstar but also make our opinion known on the need of new content/other criticisms? I ask this because while the game has fixed a lot of its Gameplay issues, imo, there are long lasting bugs still there, pvp is broken from what I hear of people who do pvp and another raid tier is needed. As someone returning I see mostly negative things on the forums/reddit and hear most negative things from people playing in game. There are those few threads saying "Hey I love this game" but I was honestly worried about the game until I took the time to try it again myself. Thoughts?
 
Sorry if this wasn't very concise, I have a lot of thoughts about this but have trouble articulating this topic. 
 
Edit: I enjoyed reading two threads on this forum named "I'm done - but here's some feedback" and "Noticing less and less people". 
			
				
	Edited December 11, 2015 by Homd	
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			Most people will say negative things on forums.  There's still bugs but they are minor ones that require one click or something, idk, never had any that really bugged me, pun not intended(although the most recent DS boss bug resetting is big imo).  PVP is "broken" because of the queue system being what it is and yes, another raid tier is long overdue.  But on Entity this week, it was packed in Thayd.	
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of course it is fine to criticize. nothing is perfect and constructive criticism is valuable.  the "i quit" or "game is dead" threads with no constructive feedback however are quite useless.  and while reading complaints on forums and reddit can be quite negative, i do not think they represent the majority of the player base.
 
by human nature if things are going well for you, you are typically content and dont feel the need to vocalize your satisfaction.  but on the other hand if something bothers you immensely, game breaking or not, people will shout it on top of the mountains to try and draw attention to the issue or themselves.  we are more and more egocentric, especially online.  all those precious snow flakes, but that is another issue altogether
 
but i think you hit some good points.  pvp needs some work.  i do not play much pvp except for prestige weekends, i know im one of "those people".  but from what i gather from forums from people with rational arguments something clearly needs to be corrected immediately. i have heard that things are in the works but not much information from devs.
 
a new raid tier for sure.  but may i ask you how far you made it into DS so far?  i am pulling avatus so i know we have a few more months probably before we kill him, but would still like some info on timing and other things.  i would also like to see some new dungeons, and possibly adjust adventures to make them worth running.  make them dungeons with equivalent i lvl gear?  not sure what may save them but the rewards are lack luster and removing them from the attunement step assured their decline. 	
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of course it is fine to criticize. nothing is perfect and constructive criticism is valuable.  the "i quit" or "game is dead" threads with no constructive feedback however are quite useless.  and while reading complaints on forums and reddit can be quite negative, i do not think they represent the majority of the player base.
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I sling a lot of crap at CRB over what I think are some rather damaging policies.  I do find the game highly entertaining and the dev team seems to be quite a bit more responsive than the other two MMO's I've tried.  Hopefully they'll address some of my pain-points sooner rather than later.
 
Outside of balance and content issues PvP suffers mostly from population.  People can blame the matchmaking algorithms all they want but there's nothing those can do unless people queue up for it.  I'm as guilty as the next person of course.  PvP is not my primary game mode and I despise deathmatching.  There would have to be some seriously good incentives for me to drag me into Arenas (eg. had I known "The Warforged" title was going to be offered I would have been all over it.)  The Exile side costumes are "lol, whut?"
 
I would also like to know what's coming and when (roughly).  We're consistently getting System Daemons down and working on Limbo (this week won't count for obvious reasons) but looking forward to the next tier.
			
				
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 I am also pulling Avatus at the current moment but have not killed him yet. I have really enjoyed my time raiding and want to do a lot more of it. 
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Honestly all you can do is keep playing and when a potential player ask you about the game just give the best information you can and even ask them what they may be looking for as to direct them to what Wildstar may have that could appeal to them. I say this because from my perspective the community has promoted Wildstar above and beyond what I've seen done in other games who's promotion is done primarily via the publisher and adverts etc...A very common thing that has been brought up by countless people who play and don't play is that they hear little to nothing about Wildstar and those that have discovered wildstar usually stumbled upon it by accident/word of mouth. Hell for the longest time from release and even after F2P conversion I'd still get "what is wildstar?" from MMO players I come across. The playerbase can only do so much...
 
Unfortunately I feel like because the games promotion relies so heavily on word of mouth;When/if some of the bigger promoters move on to other games, get burned out, or genuinely no longer feel comfortable recommending the game for whatever their specific reasons..Wildstar loses that visibility.
 
When it comes to feedback maybe I'm just optimistic or weird, but when I read through most of the threads like the recent "im done" type stuff I often see people giving advice on how the OP could possibly mitigate/fix their issue OR a discussion tends to take place on aspects that could be seen as troublesome. Yes, you get those occasional posts that make you go "well...that was rather harsh and or uncalled for"/"you need a chill pill good sir/ma'am", but it still gets people talking and discussing the issues to whatever degree of a problem it is which is the intent of a forum to me. Often people begin to also see things differently and new ideas and suggestions tend to crop up too, which is great.
 
In regard to specific topics:
 
PvP:
I've done pvp off and on and F2P I've pretty much fully went over to it as it's a lot of fun(with exception of bloodsworn one-sided matches lol). The matching issue is more a consequence of having a hard faction wall, mixed with lower pvp population, and for leveling players that population being further broken up into brackets. There is actually plenty of PvP happening at 50, but 49 and under is dismal and usually the best way to get it going is to actually whisper people to queue if they like.
 
PvP also requires a certain level of attention development wise in the sense that while the existing base is happy to see patches to help, they in many cases come rather late and the damage has been done. Some people will return, but others will feel the burn from it.
 
Raiding:
I've steped down from this and not looked much more into it so it's hard for me to say much on this.  From looks of it though, some guilds are just getting Avatus to farm status with a hand full actually farming avatus. I probably guess redmoon will be somewhere early next year, but I don't know much in this...
 
thas just me though...I need meh tea...	
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I give plenty of positive and negative feedback. I am both the whitest of White Knights and the doomiest of Doomsayers as the situation warrants.
 
But no matter WHAT kind of feedback I am giving:
 
1. I try and be constructive, or at least provocative in my thoughts.
 
2. It comes from a place of pure love toward the game, the community and the development studio. NCSoft can suck it, but Crabine is full of really nice people.
 
Also, I never take one else's opinion seriously until I check it out myself. Giving feedback based on half-assed information is worse than giving bad feedback or no feedback at all.	
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			Truth - there are ways to support the game, both directly and indirectly.  I choose to financially support the game because I like the way it's been developed, how communicative the team is, and the overall fun-factor.  I subscribe, and I also put far more money in via micro-transactions than I would have through subscribing alone.    There are games out there that I paid for loyally until I determined that they were not going in a direction I could support, and I felt they were uninterested in listening to their fanbase, so I left and took my wallet with me.  For now, Wildstar has my loyalty and my wallet, but, as with all things, if the fun-factor drops or something better comes along, my money will follow that.	
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So, I am someone who started playing Wildstar star soon after its release and after playing a few months decided I didn't enjoy the direction NCSOFT/Carbine was taking. I have recently returned and really enjoy how much more content there is to do that feels rewarding (world bosses, contracts, etc.). However, the game still has some issues and definitely needs another raid tier.
 
With that said, how do we as a community support Wildstar but also make our opinion known on the need of new content/other criticisms? I ask this because while the game has fixed a lot of its Gameplay issues, imo, there are long lasting bugs still there, pvp is broken from what I hear of people who do pvp and another raid tier is needed. As someone returning I see mostly negative things on the forums/reddit and hear most negative things from people playing in game. There are those few threads saying "Hey I love this game" but I was honestly worried about the game until I took the time to try it again myself. Thoughts?
 
Sorry if this wasn't very concise, I have a lot of thoughts about this but have trouble articulating this topic. 
 
Edit: I enjoyed reading two threads on this forum named "I'm done - but here's some feedback" and "Noticing less and less people". 
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With that said, how do we as a community support Wildstar but also make our opinion known on the need of new content/other criticisms?
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