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Mmmm. Ham and cheese croissant melty deliciousness. Have one.
 
I hate it when the forums go down for a whole day. It means I have to actually fill my work day with ... well ... work. And ain't nobody got time for that!
 
Amused myself with the Reddit yesterday - just lurking, because NO WAY am I gonna let myself get dragged down into that cesspit of negativity. It's like the Mos Eisley Cantina and that bar from Dusk 'Til Dawn rolled into one.
 
Looking around the forums this morning feels little better, though.
 
Still, the weekend is closing in and that means time for gaming! I'll be jumping back into Wilderrun (again) and trying to plow Lola up into the 40's. It's just such a long slog through the rain forest to get there ...
 
Have a great day, Nexus!	
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			I have learned in my years that posting on reddit is bad. >.>	
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I have learned in my years that posting on reddit is bad. >.>
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Yeah, no thanks. If I want to hear people talking out their butts about a game they don't even play and want to see fail, I can go to Facebook. :lol:
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Financials made me sad. Steam made me happy- there *is* a future out there.
 
Got a new member in the guild, then ran a shiphand because I accidentally quit and got a debuff when we random queued and got SSM. New player didn't even know about shiphands, so it was a fun time. Man, I do love the shiphands.
 
Then did KV. Wiped a bunch because it was a pretty low geared group (I was doing around 50% of the damage), but got it done. Wiped on Trogun a bunch because new players struggled with the dics, but one of them finally had to log and go to bed. My wife came in and we one shot it. Made her feel good, as she used to be the one dying on the discs all the time. Practice, practice!
 
After that did KV normal with my wife tanking. Was fun- she's getting the hang of it. I'm doing better at medic healing, but I miss my healslinger . . .
 
Two weeks left of joint raiding- still trying to figure out what our new roster is going to look like.
 
Also, Sunday GA has a lot of singups, but still need a tank or two and and engi if we are gonna go fur Kuralak (I'm NOT going to try to teach pillars to a alt/pug run!)
 
So . . wtb engi tank!	
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Unlike you I like to live dangerously. So I actually posted to reddit during the downtime and my hiatus the day before. No regerts.
 
Come to think of it, r/pistolcodpiece is probably a thing there, Tex.
 
In game I medic healed vet STL yesterday and it was great! Definitely a challenge to keep people in my small telegraphs when we're all bounding around like Richard Simmons trying to avoid death by electrocution though. Our tank ragequit on Stormtalon so we got another tank, Riswynn, the self described cutest tank on Nexus. They were very helpful and patiently explained some LAS changes and positioning that helped us take that bird dragon down! And we still got enough points to get bronze and complete the daily t3 contract!
 
So all in all a good day on Nexus.	
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Financials made me sad. Steam made me happy- there *is* a future out there.
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Good Morning Everyone!
 
How do you take your coffee .....
 
I didn't log in last night, had dinner plans with hubby. Went to a mexican restaurant with some of his colleagues for a good bye dinner for one of them. I don't like mexican food, so had a salad. We stopped at Sonic on the way home and got milkshakes. Yum! :D By the time we got home at 9:30pm, I had no energy to play.
 
Tonight I will be on for a little bit. I'll be someplace on Nexus, killing pixels. :)
 
Reddit depresses me, so i just stay away. I just wish people wouldn't bring that dribble to this forum.
 
Have a great day!	
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I spent most of last night running random Shiphands on Spenser to enjoy some Spellslinger, and played with the wife a while.  Wildstar's financials didn't necessarily bother me, but I'd be an idiot to not get my backup plan in order.  Basically, the news isn't bad enough that I'm getting ready to jump ship just yet, but I did reinstall FFXIV:ARR just to make sure I've got my escape route to Capri planned.  Still, not planning on going anywhere until I hear something official.  Wildstar's getting thrashed based on its financials, though.  I almost had my ex GM ready to give it a try from WoW, but now the tables have turned.
 
Not going back to WoW, though, should worse come to worse.
 
I'd probably be a bit more involved except work has suddenly gotten crazy.  We've got about eight days before this project goes out for permit, which means we have to be in one piece at that point.
 
Anyway, back on the topic of the game!  Whatever the long fix was, it didn't include a hotfix for our copy/transform tool.  I'm limiting myself from things that require a lot of long-term investment until this all gets sorted out, but I've been doing a lot of the more casual content lately.  At the very least, if this does blow over, I'll have stockpiled quite a bit of renown!	
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Well, if you do decide to leave, just be sure to leave the Saddles with someone you can trust. ;) 
 
I nominate Fitchy. :lol:	
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Well, if you do decide to leave, just be sure to leave the Saddles with someone you can trust. ;)
 
I nominate Fitchy. :lol:
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Bah. They just need to go DC Universe-style and be done with it. That's my suggestion.
 
Pay your subscription, get everything. Boom.
 
Don't pay your subscription, then cool ... enjoy the leveling experience. Once you hit cap, if you're not subbed (or forking over cash with every update and forking over cash to open up all the slots/bank tabs/etc) then you're boned until you actually get off your duff and support the game.
 
DC Universe has been very successful with this model - and honestly, if I wasnt' enjoying my time here, that's where I'd be, still paying my subscription to play a "free" game.
 
 
EDIT: I guess what I'm saying is, that model has ZERO effect on players like you and me, who pay our subs.	
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Bah. They just need to go DC Universe-style and be done with it. That's my suggestion.
 
Pay your subscription, get everything. Boom.
 
Don't pay your subscription, then cool ... enjoy the leveling experience. Once you hit cap, if you're not subbed (or forking over cash with every update and forking over cash to open up all the slots/bank tabs/etc) then you're boned until you actually get off your duff and support the game.
 
DC Universe has been very successful with this model - and honestly, if I wasnt' enjoying my time here, that's where I'd be, still paying my subscription to play a "free" game.
 
 
EDIT: I guess what I'm saying is, that model has ZERO effect on players like you and me, who pay our subs.
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Yeah, I've recommended that a few times.  In a few different versions.
 
However, with numbers like that, I don't know we'll be due for any non-predatory models.  It's not like I'll just vanish, I'll read the fine print because I've stated quite a few models for cash shops, free options, etc.  I'm just not confident between the giveaway fiasco and these statistics.
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			As long as there is raid content to do, fun dungeons to run, people to run it with, and I'm not feeling pressured to spend real money in game, I'll keep plugging away at WS :)	
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Yeah, I won't play if I feel I am being preyed upon.
 
But if a subscription entitles you to the entire arc of content, with no bars to bank/gear/runes/toons/etc. then yeah, I'm paying my sub.
 
If they even lock subscribers out of content though, I will never look back. Cosmetic stuff, well ... I loves me some cash shops. Just don't get stupid with putting ALL the coolest new stuff there, cuz that's almost as bad as locking out content.
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Well, that's how F2P generally works. Money has to come from somewhere, and if it's coming from a cash shop for items, including cosmetics, it's going to be stuff you'd want. Otherwise they wouldn't make any money.
 
Now, if you had to buy keys on a free option to access dungeons and raids, but subscribers can run them unlimited for the price of the sub, that's completely acceptable to me.
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Well, that's how F2P generally works.  Money has to come from somewhere, and if it's coming from a cash shop for items, including cosmetics, it's going to be stuff you'd want.  Otherwise they wouldn't make any money.
 
Now, if you had to buy keys on a free option to access dungeons and raids, but subscribers can run them unlimited for the price of the sub, that's completely acceptable to me.
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Oh yeah, I didn't mean it like don't put ANY of the cool stuff on the store. Derp. Of course, some it needs to go there. I was just saying like "Don't make the best sword skin a cash shop item and the latest raid skins look like recolored stuff from last year." The Best Looking stuff should always be the reward for the highest level content. That's all I was saying.
 
And yeah, content locked behind the paywall is a wonderful incentive to pay your damn subscriptions! Which, honestly, is what F2P is *really* all about. Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably no more than 12 or 13 years old. :lol:
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If the model had traditionally gone that way instead of the way it went, I'd have less issue with it.  At that point, it would be less "F2P" and more "pay on demand".
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Just know that I was in your shoes during the DC Universe F2P transition. I was convinced that the model was going to ruin the game, the community and force me to pay way more than I already was for the same experience.
 
Honestly, they showed me I was concerned over nothing. The only thing that made me not want to be part of the DCUO community anymore was when they melded the on-line PC and Console communities. There was NO FREAKING WAY I was going to stick around and listen to console kiddies "talk" to me about the game.
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Feeling really, really depressed about WildStar's future. I'm probably going to end up having to leave yet another game that I love and watch it destroy itself. Ugh.
 
Will try to cheer up when I go into work in half an hour to grade my students' exams... Already though, the thought of playing WildStar is making me anxious. :\	
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I'm just posting in here today to try and apologize for being -- at the very least -- over-zealous with my strong opinions on these forums.
 
I tried not to ever attack anyone personally, but rather tried to stay on target with the content of the post. If I strayed from that at any point, again, sorry.
 
I'm very passionate about WildStar. The original vision and design of WildStar. It, for me, finally represented an actual evolution of a theme park beyond WoW and made everything better. Just like WoW did with EQ. It was objectively better to me in every single way.
 
So when I didn't want anything about it to change, of course I voiced my opinion. I mean, wouldn't you guys?
 
I was sad with the changes that were occurring and will be *very* sad if the business model changes.  That may be the end of the road for me, but I wanted to just let everyone know it was never, ever personal!	
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I think your passion has always been commendable, Lethal, even though our passions obviously run in very different directions.
 
You've always been a strong voice for the vision of the game that sold you on it. You can't fault a man for that.	
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Right alongside you, Lethality. We haven't agreed on everything in the past, but we have on probably a lot more than you think. And even if we hadn't, I respect people who keep to principals.
 
Will just try my best to stay hopeful.	
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This past Tuesday was my very first time raiding in Wildstar, I had a blast. No more are the time of watching people raid. I'm a big girl now :D Also.. owowowowowowowoowwoowow.. OMGLAZORS.. owowowowoowowwow.. ooohhh shinnies.
 
Tonight will be my second time going into GA :D	
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I am just done discussing the business model. Carbine will tell us when they are ready. Things I know: I'm really glad I'm not in the MMO business. I thought people got bitchy at me when I don't give them antibiotics they don't need for their cold! xD 
 
In other news, the housing bug bit me hard this week. I've been trying to come up with a guild hall type theme for my plot, and I think I got it figured out. So, I've been making treehouses (well, hoverhouses) and decorating my bunker for 2 days now. Hopefully, will get the finishing touches on today. Holy cow! Housing is exhausting and intense! I don't think I've done anything quite this ambitions before, and it's like I can't stop until it's done (or I have to do something else). Is it raid time yet? I need a forced break! LOL 
 
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This past Tuesday was my very first time raiding in Wildstar, I had a blast. No more are the time of watching people raid. I'm a big girl now :D Also.. owowowowowowowoowwoowow.. OMGLAZORS.. owowowowoowowwow.. ooohhh shinnies.
 
Tonight will be my second time going into GA :D
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Well last night was rather fun.
 
I got my genesis key and knocked out the first part with the fire elemental pretty quick. Though I had an issue where my menacing strike just completely....stopped working for a moment which was odd and. That put me behind by a lot so I had to stance dance my way through that part.defensive for running around then offensive to give em the OK johnny cage! Pow!
 
Now I just need to work on my reputation. Ihave not started the defile or blighthaven chains so start there...and guess I'll be tossing those protostar rep things at it too from contracts till I get beloved.
 
Did a couple of adventure runs with daggers which went well and then just had a nice night overall.
 
As for all the ruckus and "leaks" and steam etc...I just don't care. Long as the game is still fun for me I'll keep playing, when I don't have fun or changes make me overall not want to play I'll part ways and move on to something else...
 
Also I wish adventures were retroactive like dungeons and world bosses ugh...
And that PvP gave faction rep
 
 
Innn non-wildstar news I'm really happy with the recent freelance stuff I did and think I've made great progress in merging my graphic design skills and illustration skills when making game assets. 
 
I also applied to the senior illustrator position ncsoft put up hope that pans out.
 
In the meantime I am so excited to play splatoon! I loved it when I got a chance to try it out earlier.	
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What she's not telling you is that the rocked the heck out of it, too :D  Woot! 
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*Hands Cercie some coffee* You may need this and re-read what you wrote.   :D
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I'm on less than 4 hours of sleep. Give me a break!  #Housinghangover
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Good morning folks.
 
Yesterday was a day off from work so I could be at home when the building inspectors showed up to examine the work done to replace a boiler for my baseboard hot-water heater.  I got the tri-fecta of fire, electrical and plumbing :lol:  This went smoothly so I can stop stressing over it.  As a bonus the house got a badly needed Spring cleaning.  Of course that just revealed that we need to replace some furniture, carpeting and shades :rolleyes:
 
The downtime really threw me.  I did expect game logins to become active earlier than the forums but they came up way faster than I had hoped so :wub:.  Before I knew about the downtime my plan was to see if I could get my Engineer out of Whitevale (lvl26 about halfway through the squirg area). 
 
Wound up derping around on my main until she got to the Tier1 contract level.  Was about to claim it when I noticed the bag was crafting vouchers.  Really?  Really?  You know how easy those are to get?  Mousing over T2, T3 and T4, yep more vouchers. 
 
Got to hang out with a bunch of RP friends last night which was tons of fun.  The nature of the event (Ladies Night) amused my wife. :ph34r:
 
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I told you to take a break.. several times #ToldYouSo
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			-sighs- played around in pvp for a bit then after much hem and hawing decided it was time to get attuned, will be spending the next few weeks working towards that goal, going to have to find a guild that is willing to put up with a WS pve newb, that is a very quick study.	
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-sighs- played around in pvp for a bit then after much hem and hawing decided it was time to get attuned, will be spending the next few weeks working towards that goal, going to have to find a guild that is willing to put up with a WS pve newb, that is a very quick study.
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We're always recruiting in the Blazing Saddles!
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And we have s'mores brownies ...
 
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-sighs- played around in pvp for a bit then after much hem and hawing decided it was time to get attuned, will be spending the next few weeks working towards that goal, going to have to find a guild that is willing to put up with a WS pve newb, that is a very quick study.
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I have never posted in one of these threads, mostly because to be quite honest i dont belong.
I am going to however before i may lose the chance.
I promise to abide by the rules.
 
I have always found the pictures and recipe ideas in here amazing. While i have mostly disagreed with alot of you folks I, too, like lethality never meant it personally; until now.
I was and still am passionate about the game. I think i made more "i quit" posts than any other single poster.
But i always came back. This game truely is something special.
Im not going any where with whatever change comes. I just have to say 1 thing though. The fact so many stick to your guns fans over the years are now
ready to jump ship the minute the game actually needs all hands on deck speaks louder than any arguments I have ever made in the history of these forums.
I wish everyone the best, really everyone I hold no ill will or bad thoughts towards anyone.
More importantly i wish the best for the game, and the people who make it, and the people who support it.
Cheers, have a great day.	
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I have never posted in one of these threads, mostly because to be quite honest i dont belong.
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The fact so many stick to your guns fans over the years are now ready to jump ship the minute the game actually needs all hands on deck speaks louder than any arguments I have ever made in the history of these forums.
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			I don't normally post outside of the guild recruitment for Entity but I will chat it up some here. As for the state of the game, I honestly don't know where I would go if WS were to shutdown or make some drastic change that would cause more loss in subs. The community on Entity is getting smaller and smaller daily but with this new drop I have seen a few new faces. Altercation seems to be growing daily and my guild is the main reason I stay. When Ws does hit steam I'm hoping for a big jump in players (wishful thinking maybe?) Either way WS is my home and fav game, I love it and can't get enough and I will say till the doors close.	
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I have never posted in one of these threads, mostly because to be quite honest i dont belong.
I am going to however before i may lose the chance.
I promise to abide by the rules.
 
I have always found the pictures and recipe ideas in here amazing. While i have mostly disagreed with alot of you folks I, too, like lethality never meant it personally; until now.
I was and still am passionate about the game. I think i made more "i quit" posts than any other single poster.
But i always came back. This game truely is something special.
Im not going any where with whatever change comes. I just have to say 1 thing though. The fact so many stick to your guns fans over the years are now
ready to jump ship the minute the game actually needs all hands on deck speaks louder than any arguments I have ever made in the history of these forums.
I wish everyone the best, really everyone I hold no ill will or bad thoughts towards anyone.
More importantly i wish the best for the game, and the people who make it, and the people who support it.
Cheers, have a great day.
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Morning :)
 
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I don't normally post outside of the guild recruitment for Entity but I will chat it up some here. As for the state of the game, I honestly don't know where I would go if WS were to shutdown or make some drastic change that would cause more loss in subs. The community on Entity is getting smaller and smaller daily but with this new drop I have seen a few new faces. Altercation seems to be growing daily and my guild is the main reason I stay. When Ws does hit steam I'm hoping for a big jump in players (wishful thinking maybe?) Either way WS is my home and fav game, I love it and can't get enough and I will say till the doors close.
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Finally back after battling the login daemons at NCSoft. I'll be happy when they get the bugs ironed out of the system.
 
I know my opinion on B2P and F2P is much different than a lot of the coffee thread regulars. That being said, I will continue to pay a sub if they have that option, because I've decided that it's worth it. I just hope the rewards are good.
 
Edit: also to the folks saying they will quit right away, why not at least take a month to see how it is before pulling up anchor for good?	
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But Wildstar isn't just another MMO. It's so much more fun using the telegraph gameplay rather than targeted gameplay. I tried playing Rift again about a week ago and it was just so boring. My macros ensured that I could perform great dps with only two buttons, and it wasn't that hard to learn the actual max dps rotation, but most of it was set with nothing dynamic about them. Just a bunch of blocks based around 30 second cooldowns.
 
If the next sub-based MMO goes back to the WoW style of combat, I dunno if I would be into it.	
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If the next sub-based MMO goes back to the WoW style of combat, I dunno if I would be into it.
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			We all know Wildstar is doing bad, the numbers on the quarterly report don't lie. I really like this game, and with all it's fault it's still a very good game at core. Too bad many people didn't feel the same way, I hope this game becomes F2P, B2P, or a freemium pay model. At this point I would rather take a cash shop, than having this game disappear altogether.	
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Nope- if this doesn't work out, I'm out for something different. I have my eye on one game in particular (PvP) that will be a complete departure for me.
 
But I'm never going back to tab-targeting.
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We all know Wildstar is doing bad, the numbers on the quarterly report don't lie. I really like this game, and with all it's fault it's still a very good game at core. Too bad many people didn't feel the same way, I hope this game becomes F2P, B2P, or a freemium pay model. At this point I would rather take a cash shop, than having this game disappear altogether.
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Bird drop?? (Trying to stay on topic haha.) Pax has a big group gearing up for it already, I'm excited! And since I've gotten a 5 - year patron membership for my kickstarter backing I'll be there for a while!
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Yep. It looks pretty fresh to me.
 
My heart is going to be with WS as long as it's fun for me. But if it goes a direction I don't like or I just burn out, then that is probably my next stop. What I would do in the meantime, I don't know.
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I justify it to myself by thinking, PVE: WildStar. PVP: bird game.
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Eh I think I'm done for today on forums.I can't seem to get access to forums other than on my cintiq and place keeps eating my posts. I try to verify my logins and the codes i get emailed to me are invalid. Tried several times to post a bug report but i lock up at posting for some reason.
 
Hopefully this goes through...
 
Anyway wishing you all a lovely day and much fun on nexus when you get a chance to play! -hug-	
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:D
 
Well, the last PvP game I played was Unreal Tournament. I've always liked the idea of PvP, but my of my RL friends prefer PvE.
 
However, my experience lately with PvP is that I don't enjoy the kind of people you end up playing with. That is, I like competition, not so much the name calling and stuff that happens here in WS. I pretty much stay away from PvP in WS now. My interaction with the PvP Community just has left me sour. If I'm honest with myself, it's probably wishful thinking to think I'd enjoy myself in a full on PvP game. But I really like the idea of strategizing and playing against real life players.
 
I still haven't gotten tired of raiding, though. And I really, REALLY like the WS raids a lot. If they keep being as fun as they are, my sub is safe with them (assuming they'll keep some kind of sub model).
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I cant believe me of all people is going to say this BUT
It in a way it is players who brought us to the current state of the game
Well first i should say consumers not players.
 
If this game had of been released with an audience of players from 2004 waiting in the wings, i have no doubt in my mind it would be bigger than anything.
However the markets have shifted majorly since then. The players who grew up on UO and EQ are fathers and managers and business owners now.
The players STARTING mmos now are people raised on WOTLK wow and MOBAS.
fast, cheap , disposable entertainment.
so yes in a way, despite arguing agaisnt this any time its ever been said, in a way the consumers are part of the reason for the lack of success Wildstar has seen.
however that does not excuse whoever did market research, or who marketed the game, or those who stuck to their old ways throughout the last year.
however, this is where i think free to play or buy to play can be good.
if we can get enough people to buy fluff, and the trend towards making casual friendly stuff continues, there is a very good chance
that more raid content will be made.
the sad reality is though, if something DOESNT change, not only will there not be anymore awesome raid content made
there will be simply nothing	
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I cant believe me of all people is going to say this BUT
It in a way it is players who brought us to the current state of the game
Well first i should say consumers not players.
 
If this game had of been released with an audience of players from 2004 waiting in the wings, i have no doubt in my mind it would be bigger than anything.
However the markets have shifted majorly since then. The players who grew up on UO and EQ are fathers and managers and business owners now.
The players STARTING mmos now are people raised on WOTLK wow and MOBAS.
fast, cheap , disposable entertainment.
so yes in a way, despite arguing agaisnt this any time its ever been said, in a way the consumers are part of the reason for the lack of success Wildstar has seen.
however that does not excuse whoever did market research, or who marketed the game, or those who stuck to their old ways throughout the last year.
however, this is where i think free to play or buy to play can be good.
if we can get enough people to buy fluff, and the trend towards making casual friendly stuff continues, there is a very good chance
that more raid content will be made.
the sad reality is though, if something DOESNT change, not only will there not be anymore awesome raid content made
there will be simply nothing
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I wouldn't.  How many companies can have a game become so markedly better as Wildstar has and still lose half its profits?  How could anyone look at those numbers and think that what the game could really use is a focus outside of gameplay?  Someone somewhere is screwing up badly, and if gameplay can get sacrificed on the altar of money, there's absolutely no reason now why NCSoft should care about keeping the game fun.  So far, NCSoft hasn't been able to sell "fun."
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I understand where you're coming from-- and honestly I would've been on the same page with you a few months ago-- but I'd have to see how they rolled out F2P before necessarily being against it. If done right, it could be a big net gain.
 
My hope is that they view F2P simply as a means of removing a barrier to crowds, not as a means of turning the game into a big swap meet. If you greatly increase the number of people playing, it changes the economics of the situation completely (not to mention peoples' enjoyment of the game).
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im sorry. i can do exactly that. i can say i understand those who left , after being told to leave and being told things would never change. i wont blame those who stayed. you wanted a game
that you found enjoyable at the expense of losing hundreds of thousands who didnt. thats fine i understand that passion.
i dont however understand, that now that it didnt work out, you would just jump ship. the raid content doesnt have to end. the good times arent over. the fat lady doesnt have a fork in her yet.
im just saying i dont know what kind of person makes a bed and instead of lying in it, walks away.	
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Yeah, this thread, of all places, is not the place for personal BS.
 
I know we don't all get along *out there* ... but please, *in here* at least try and agree to disagree, or just ignore one another.	
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I think this board has had enough infighting.  We're here because of a shared enjoyment of a game, and clearly that game is not going to be shut down in the near future.  This should be a time of relief and reflection. 
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I'm just posting in here today to try and apologize for being -- at the very least -- over-zealous with my strong opinions on these forums.
 
I tried not to ever attack anyone personally, but rather tried to stay on target with the content of the post. If I strayed from that at any point, again, sorry.
 
I'm very passionate about WildStar. The original vision and design of WildStar. It, for me, finally represented an actual evolution of a theme park beyond WoW and made everything better. Just like WoW did with EQ. It was objectively better to me in every single way.
 
So when I didn't want anything about it to change, of course I voiced my opinion. I mean, wouldn't you guys?
 
I was sad with the changes that were occurring and will be *very* sad if the business model changes.  That may be the end of the road for me, but I wanted to just let everyone know it was never, ever personal!
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			Speaking of coffee I am brewing some in the french press right now to pour over ice and add coconut milk cream. Yum!! I am hoping to get my Warrior to at least level 40 by the end of the weekend.	
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im sorry. i can do exactly that. i can say i understand those who left , after being told to leave and being told things would never change. i wont blame those who stayed. you wanted a game
that you found enjoyable at the expense of losing hundreds of thousands who didnt. thats fine i understand that passion.
i dont however understand, that now that it didnt work out, you would just jump ship. the raid content doesnt have to end. the good times arent over. the fat lady doesnt have a fork in her yet.
im just saying i dont know what kind of person makes a bed and instead of lying in it, walks away.
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 at least try and agree to disagree, or just ignore one another
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It's a rough time for Vince.  I have deep concerns about my favorite MMO, and I'm getting unhappy flashbacks to the days before CoH's sunset where the game went F2P but the content and money slowed down.  Feeling a bit defeated by the recent developments and I've already had to report a few people for basically crucifying me in PMs and rubbing all of these new reddit leaks and steam leaks in my face.  Pretty close to bailing on the forums.
 
A cautionary tale:  If you fight for what you believe in on the internet you'll get shit on really, really hard if you lose.  Best to just not do it, apparently.
 
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On a more game-related note:
 
I'm currently stuck between two options:  I can level my Chua DPS Engineer, or my Cassian-Turned-Exile Tank Engineer.  I want to do both but I can't pick.  Tank Engie is sturdy as hell and shrugs off incoming red fields, but is slow to damage.  DPS Engie is robust and great at spitting damage downrange but doesn't feel quite as solid, requiring a lot more movement.
 
Halp.	
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			YAY!! just finished breakfast, eggs, toast and maple sausage, oh and I made it to the adventure part of the attunement process all in all a good morning.	
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It's a rough time for Vince. I have deep concerns about my favorite MMO, and I'm getting unhappy flashbacks to the days before CoH's sunset where the game went F2P but the content and money slowed down. Feeling a bit defeated by the recent developments and I've already had to report a few people for basically crucifying me in PMs and rubbing all of these new reddit leaks and steam leaks in my face. Pretty close to bailing on the forums.
A cautionary tale: If you fight for what you believe in on the internet you'll get shit on really, really hard if you lose. Best to just not do it, apparently.
 
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On a more game-related note:
 
I'm currently stuck between two options: I can level my Chua DPS Engineer, or my Cassian-Turned-Exile Tank Engineer. I want to do both but I can't pick. Tank Engie is sturdy as hell and shrugs off incoming red fields, but is slow to damage. DPS Engie is robust and great at spitting damage downrange but doesn't feel quite as solid, requiring a lot more movement.
 
Halp.
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I wouldn't get too far down yet. If you are willing to give it a shot, I'm sure it will stay great for at least a little while. TT subtly (or not) indicated the dungeon/raid team is still working on new content, and there's still a lot to do in the game now.
 
If it goes bad, it probably won't be overnight. Or at least, that's how I'm processing it.	
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It's a rough time for Vince.  I have deep concerns about my favorite MMO, and I'm getting unhappy flashbacks to the days before CoH's sunset where the game went F2P but the content and money slowed down.  Feeling a bit defeated by the recent developments and I've already had to report a few people for basically crucifying me in PMs and rubbing all of these new reddit leaks and steam leaks in my face.  Pretty close to bailing on the forums.
 
A cautionary tale:  If you fight for what you believe in on the internet you'll get shit on really, really hard if you lose.  Best to just not do it, apparently.
 
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On a more game-related note:
 
I'm currently stuck between two options:  I can level my Chua DPS Engineer, or my Cassian-Turned-Exile Tank Engineer.  I want to do both but I can't pick.  Tank Engie is sturdy as hell and shrugs off incoming red fields, but is slow to damage.  DPS Engie is robust and great at spitting damage downrange but doesn't feel quite as solid, requiring a lot more movement.
 
Halp.
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There is no reason for anyone to ever harassing a member of any forum community for what they believe, this is just mean and underhanded and i hope whoever did this to you gets punished accordingly for their shitty behaviour.
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I wouldn't get too far down yet. If you are willing to give it a shot, I'm sure it will stay great for at least a little while. TT subtly (or not) indicated the dungeon/raid team is still working on new content, and there's still a lot to do in the game now.
 
If it goes bad, it probably won't be overnight. Or at least, that's how I'm processing it.
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Hey, if it gets told, good luck to you guys.  I'd rather cash in my chips while I'm ahead than wait to see how slowly it crumbles.
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Agree completely.
 
One thing to remember- these folks have to live with themselves for the rest of their loves. Vince, you get to move on.
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Difference is, I'm currently raiding and I know for certain I have two more bosses and DS left to do, assuming I can keep a raid team together. I don't need any more content to keep me happy for at least another several months. And by that time, that other game I've been eyeing might start getting some attention.
 
My biggest fear is that the roster boss returns, especially if the recent return to the game shuts down while people wait for a conversion.
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			I think NCS is showing great trust in the game if they're putting it on Steam AND giving it a second life with F2P.  They *never* put games on Steam now, as it can cut into their profits, but I think they know with a good population boost, this game will do fine in a F2P market.  I think it's extremely fortunate that the game has housing etc that casual people can partake in, and bleeding edge raids for us raiders. I really don't see a f2p transition changing the game drastically.	
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I don't know.  Like I said, I've got a lot of friends outside Wildstar who are making the valid point to me today that I'm giving NCSoft a lot of credit just by still hanging around in the face of all this.  My friend Kaidavin just said NCSoft would thank me for paying to let them fund this little F2P venture.  It's hard to really refute that.  If they've made the decision and decided not to tell me just to string me along, and I'm losing faith they'll maintain in the face of adversity anyway, and I've got people on Gilgamesh telling me I've got a place when I get there if I don't start my own guild, I wonder what I am waiting for.
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I don't know.  Like I said, I've got a lot of friends outside Wildstar who are making the valid point to me today that I'm giving NCSoft a lot of credit just by still hanging around in the face of all this.  My friend Kaidavin just said NCSoft would thank me for paying to let them fund this little F2P venture.  It's hard to really refute that.  If they've made the decision and decided not to tell me just to string me along...
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Just depends on where you'll have the most fun. For me, I AM still having fun here. But there's really no other current MMO I'm interested in either.
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Maybe I should hand off the guild tonight and just take it as read.
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Nah, don't make a hasty jump. Or I wouldn't.
 
You don't know what their freemium model is gonna look like. Yeah, the cat thing was bad, but we just don't know. You've got a lot invested here, and it isn't all changing tomorrow. The dungeons and shiphands are still fun. You could still come tank GA on Sunday if you want (hint, hint). There are good times to be had.
 
And clearly NCSoft is behind this game in someway because they ARE putting it on steam. And if the "leak" is accurate, they are actually positioning themselves to be a pretty big steam player. That shows a lot of confidence in where this game can go.
 
I don't think there's a downside to waiting, but that's me.
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I mean, maybe ... just maybe ... they haven't ironed out all the details yet and can't just show-up with some halfassed press release to assuage your concerns.
 
Companies don't sit on these things any longer than they need to. You know why? Because every day LIKE THIS ONE that passes without details is another day of potential lost revenue.
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I keep seeing y'all say "the cat thing was bad" ... but I just don't see it.
 
It got money in their bank, it got boxes off the shelves, it got people back in-game and it made a lot of people really happy to tool around on their new mounts with their new get-up.
 
I mean, was it because "the vets" didn't get something just for being here? That seems remarkably self-entitled to me.
 
Was it because it seemed like the first foray into whether a cash shop would pay-off? Because from that perspective it was a HUGE success. People gobbled those kitties up and are *still* gobbling them up.
 
What was so offensive about it. I mean, I was here through the whole thing and I *still* don't understand why some of y'all hated it so much.
 
Maybe I just make more money than I have good sense ... I dunno. I didn't want any of that stuff, so I didn't buy it. That was my only reason.	
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I keep seeing y'all say "the cat thing was bad" ... but I just don't see it.
 
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Fair enough.
 
I *want* to get it ... or maybe I just want to understand why I saw one thing and other people saw something else.
 
People are weird. :P	
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Nah, don't make a hasty jump. Or I wouldn't.
 
You don't know what their freemium model is gonna look like. Yeah, the cat thing was bad, but we just don't know. You've got a lot invested here, and it isn't all changing tomorrow. The dungeons and shiphands are still fun. You could still come tank GA on Sunday if you want (hint, hint). There are good times to be had.
 
And clearly NCSoft is behind this game in someway because they ARE putting it on steam. And if the "leak" is accurate, they are actually positioning themselves to be a pretty big steam player. That shows a lot of confidence in where this game can go.
 
I don't think there's a downside to waiting, but that's me.
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			Oh, I know. And I *want* to explain it. But history has shown me that the energy isn't worth it :D	
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I completely forgot sorry to post again.
 
Im having a dark roast columbian (sorry no pics) brewed through keurig. I feel guilty using it becuase its so wasteful but its so darn convenient for a single good cup of coffee.
Ive seen the keurig-like machines that have a reusable cup for your own ground coffee.
I remember in my younger years grocery stores had buy and grind your own beans machines in them. I cant recall seeing any lately though.
Anyone know of any good websites to order premium ground coffee? (one that ships to Canada)	
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I completely forgot sorry to post again.
 
Im having a dark roast columbian (sorry no pics) brewed through keurig. I feel guilty using it becuase its so wasteful but its so darn convenient for a single good cup of coffee.
Ive seen the keurig-like machines that have a reusable cup for your own ground coffee.
I remember in my younger years grocery stores had buy and grind your own beans machines in them. I cant recall seeing any lately though.
Anyone know of any good websites to order premium ground coffee? (one that ships to Canada)
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I completely forgot sorry to post again.
 
Im having a dark roast columbian (sorry no pics) brewed through keurig. I feel guilty using it becuase its so wasteful but its so darn convenient for a single good cup of coffee.
Ive seen the keurig-like machines that have a reusable cup for your own ground coffee.
I remember in my younger years grocery stores had buy and grind your own beans machines in them. I cant recall seeing any lately though.
Anyone know of any good websites to order premium ground coffee? (one that ships to Canada)
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Yanno, I'm not thrilled at the idea of a change to the payment model, but I'm not overly worried either. Don't get me wrong. I adore Wildstar. I log in regularly. I spend *way* too much time doing stuff (or doing nothing) in game. I don't really play any other games. I dabble in stuff, but I tend to find an MMO I love, and run it till I can't go anymore. LOTRo gave me several years. I left not when it went F2P, but when they quit developing content I wanted to participate in. (Big Battles was a Big Bust!)  I played TSW for a couple of years - long after I was done with all content many times over on 2 toons. I'm honestly not sure what I would have done if WS hadn't come along when it did. 
 
I don't see why the potential change or end of a game means that everything is ruined that is happening now. It's a game! Play and have fun! It's not like you're marrying it! It won't ask you for half your house, to split your retirement, or share custody of the kids and dogs when you break up. 
 
Though, I guess I have met people with this attitude: 
 
 
 
I really just always look for a reason to post that pic. It makes me giggle. 	
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Just got back from grading finals (yay summer break time), came home to four massive boxes of books for us to sell at Comicpalooza.
 
... And I'm still feeling depressed about WildStar. ;.;	
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Try a French Press for coffee, seriously, you won't be sorry.
 
In Wildstar news:
 
The forums have me so depressed that I think I'm going to take a sabbatical from Wildstar, or at the very least, the forums. The willful and destructive attitudes here just muddy up my aura :(
 
Not in Morning Coffee but...you know...out there in general discussion.
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If I contributed to that I am sorry. I feel like I dialed the salt up to 11 today.
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As a fun aside, I had to delete my reddit account this morning thanks to endless PMs from several (probably throwaway) accounts doing what they were doing to me here.  So I've made a new one.
 
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			I'm really sorry people are being such complete wads of trash to you, Vince. :( Hang in there.	
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Eh, my advice is to simply play the game until it's not fun and stop analyzing the meta realities of a gamer's life. :P   But I guess I've never really understood mistrust of a publisher. EA is supposed to be one of the biggest turds around, yet they produced one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had in the Mass Effect series. If I passed that up because of a grudge... man, what a loss.
 
Until the day corporations are beating up your friends and seducing your wife, what's the use in carrying baggage? Ever shop at any store in existence like Walmart? Then you're already a part of the problem and so is everyone else.  :lol:
 
As to the recent news, if Wildstar goes F2P then I'll hear the plan. And if it flops for one reason or another, I've had plenty of memorable moments. Nothing wrong with another dead game. We'll all move on and find the next cool thing, hopefully those working on the game will find another project. So it goes.
 
What I look forward to isn't so much playing Wildstar in ten years. After playing WoW for nearly that much time, I sincerely hope I don't spend another decade playing one game. What I want to see is some other neat game with big ideas that not only makes some of them happen, but steals a bunch of the good stuff Wildstar got right. Just like every other MMO.
 
Many of us are of the MMORPG generation, and in a sense we're not just playing one game, we're riding the wave of a genre that people thirty years ago probably couldn't even comperehend. In a hundred or so years we'll have some crazy massive cult of gamers playing the ultimate VR life game and none of this will even matter. :ph34r:	
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As a fun aside, I had to delete my reddit account this morning thanks to endless PMs from several (probably throwaway) accounts doing what they were doing to me here. So I've made a new one.
 
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For what it's worth I was sending you meaningless up votes haha. Even after you deleted the account I could still tell which is which. Damn you Carbine, making me check REDDIT to scratch the WildStar itch during maintenance. Deleting the app from my phone now.
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			To be honest, the only thing that upsets me about this whole affair is that the, like, five or so people I learned to downright hate on the Facebook page are finally getting what they want. I guess I'll just take solace in the fact that they'll inevitably become victims of the cash shop...heheh, Suckers. 	
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@vince, and anyone else here being harrassed through pms/whatever they are called on reddit
 
sorry that crap happens. i know i can me a jerk, but i assure you i lay it all out in public. even when i come home late at night from the pub and go off on someone
its all out in the open
while that is completely inexcusable in its own right, doing it behind hind the lines and from hyper-anonymity is just cowardly
i hope its not too bad, and im sorry its happening.	
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I think there's a bit too much doom saying when it comes to the possibility of a game going F2P.
 
Done well, I'd argue a F2P model is substantially better than a subscription model due to the capacity for enticing more players into the game. I also dislike a subscription model due to it making you feel like you 'need' or 'should' be playing the game as your main form of entertainment, due to the cost being irrespective of your time invested.
 
Yes, it's easy to dismiss many of the people who otherwise wouldn't have played the game as 'riff raff' (I hate seeing that word thrown around to describe a group of people who's only common denominator is their wish to play a game to try it first), but you will also gain many players who otherwise would not have tried the game.
 
I'm currently in a very poor financial situation, and would not currently be playing Wildstar were it not for CREDD/the 10 day trial. Am I riffraff because I am playing for free, essentially?
 
As to the idea that F2P automatically equates to absolutely everything being nickle and dimed, well, that's just a completely unfounded assertion. Particularly when I see people turning around and advocating following DCUO's model, wherein you're required to continually purchase numerous story packs. There are significantly better examples of much fairer models (TERA/Rift come to mind) so I find it more than a little bizarre to see that espoused as the ideal model.	
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(TERA/Rift come to mind)
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Both of those took my motivations for playing and decided to sell them piecemeal on a cash shop. Result? Horrible game experience.
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Both of those took my motivations for playing and decided to sell them piecemeal on a cash shop. Result? Horrible game experience.
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Really?  I've been playing Tera and I think the model is superb.  It doesn't feel pay 2 win at all, in fact it feels like you can just play and it's the full game.   
 
Okay, well, founder title aside.  
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They ruined the dye system and completely removed customization from their costume system as well. All cosmetic stuff? Cash shop. It's also infested with RNG boxes and its cash shop is horrendously expensive particularly compared to other MMOs.
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			My motivation for playing the game tends to be armor appearances, mounts/pets, or housing stuff. Guess what? Those are typically the things that get pulled from game play rewards and put on the cash shop. TERA  became infested with RNG boxes, but it was really when they messed up their dye and costume systems that was the last straw. I have no desire to play a game that restricts my ability to customize my character in such a way. Rift, as I said, is less of a culprit but I still do not like seeing the constant push towards the cash shop. I don't need you questioning the validity of what I enjoy in a game.	
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My motivation for playing the game tends to be armor appearances, mounts/pets, or housing stuff. Guess what? Those are typically the things that get pulled from game play rewards and put on the cash shop. TERA  became infested with RNG boxes, but it was really when they messed up their dye and costume systems that was the last straw. I have no desire to play a game that restricts my ability to customize my character in such a way. Rift, as I said, is less of a culprit but I still do not like seeing the constant push towards the cash shop. I don't need you questioning the validity of what I enjoy in a game.
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Regardless, my point is, as I said, more of the fact that done well a F2P system is not inherently a bad thing. And frankly, I think having the push towards the cash shop for cosmetics is the best way to go about it, as it avoids creating issues within the game as the cosmetics do not affect gameplay.
 
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maybe not for you. for others those cosmetics are the gameplay.
 
your whole argument can be boiled down to I'm ok with other peoples content being put into a cash shop but keep my content out of it.
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Sadly in a f2p market customizations have to become money sinks, or people would complain about content being locked behind a pay wall. I'm not sure what they could charge for now since there's plenty of pets/mounts/dyes/costumes in the game. Maybe better ones or actual outfits people want?
 
All this talk of b2p/f2p makes me sad. I'll just keep focusing on my new/returning player guild and try to help the population grow one player at a time :/	
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Don't get yourselves down yet folks.
 
Until there's an official announcement from Carbine/NCSoft about the model change, I wouldn't bet on anything yet. Who knows, maybe they have a final plan and this is just if that plan fails. Maybe they'll be monitoring the gains in population between now and August. This is even if that person who is the 'Carbine employee' is even who they say they are.
 
Obviously things don't look the best and I'm not saying it's an impossibility, but speculation does not gain you or anyone anything - it will just rain on your parade before we hear something concrete.
 
Chin up! We've seen more people coming with Drop 5, and the population has been steadily growing with some great content to follow.	
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