Report 702

Report #702
Skillset: Pyromancy Skill: New
 Org: Pyromancers Status: Completed Oct 2011
Furies' Decision:
We will look at implementing solution 3.
Problem: Unless a Pyromancer takes up Psionics, they have no way to determine
the extent of burn levels on a target without investing in a 450cr monocle
artifact or choosing to opt out of Dreamweaving or Runes.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Create a new ability in Pyromancy that requires, but
 not consumes, balance and equilibrium to determine a
 target's burn level.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Add in the ability to detect burn levels to an
 existing skill in Discernment or Pyromancy.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Alter Flashfire's third-person message to reflect
 varying burn levels, much as Aquamancy IceFloe shows
 different freeze levels.
Player Comments:
---[Enyalida on 10/2 @ 20:21 writes]:
Few things: Dosn't salamanders declare burn levels? Though it's not exactly
desirable, why would you not take psionics? If this is going to be a trend,
should I envoy something similar for thornlashes?
---[Viynain on 10/2 @ 23:01 writes]:
I've no problem if folk want an ability to denote thornlashes or cloudcoils, for
that matter. And I look at making our kill condition streamlined for all of our
tertiaries, rather than just the popular so as not to discourage the rare few
who decide to become Dreamweaver or Runist Pyromancers - meaning they need a
means of ascertaining burn levels without Psionics. As for Salamanders, I've not
seen any notation that their message corresponds to burn levels.
---[Iytha on 10/4 @ 02:42 writes]:
Salamanders showing burn levels was solution 2 for report 498. Solution 1, a
change to the afflictions given by salamanders, was chosen instead.
---[Rivius on 10/10 @ 22:20 writes]:
Solution 3.
---[Raeri on 10/11 @ 08:43 writes]:
Sol 3. Or salamanders or whatever. Doing similar stuff for druids/aeros would be
neat, (and it'd be nice to not need a separate report for so similar issues) but
at least this. I support this report.
---[Raeri on 10/14 @ 00:17 writes]:
After some discussions, unless all similar skills gain the passive message, an
active ability in the Primary would be preferred. In that case, Solution 1/2.
---[Morbo on 10/15 @ 20:51 writes]:
I think this is needed, but I don't like the solutions other than maybe solution
3 unless the same were done for aeromancers, and druids. If this were to be done
I believe the best solution would be to add third person messages to all of
them, or add a skill in aeromancy/pyromancy etc to discern for that affliction
specifically.
---[Shedrin on 10/15 @ 21:09 writes]:
I like solution 3 the most, including adding a message to similar abilities. Not
against solution 1/2 either.
---[Iytha on 10/15 @ 23:15 writes]:
Prefer solution 3, would not object to solutions 1/2. Also in favour of a
similar report for druids/aeromancers.
---[Ixion on 10/17 @ 07:15 writes]:
Solution 3, for druids and aeromancers as well. I don't think two more envoy
slots should be spent for a change like this.
---[Shuyin on 10/17 @ 23:59 writes]:
Any solution is fine
---[Rika on 10/21 @ 22:38 writes]:
I don't see why pyromancy needs a skill to be able to see how many people have.
Burns isn't even the main form of kill a pyromancer has at their disposal. If
there is an issue with dreamweaving and runes being less effective for mages
than psionic mages, then isn't the problem with dreamweaving/runes, rather than
pyromancy specifically? Also, some classes -do- need a monocle. Just take bards
for example. Our main (and in many cases) only form of killing is through mass
burst damage by setting up a full DiscordantChord. Just check report 506 for one
of the many examples of how hard it is for bards to pull off this burst damage
skill (not even an insta and in many cases not even enough damage to ensure a
kill even with further damaging). I feel if you want to add something like this,
you'll have to look across all guilds, not just at mages/druids and definitely
not solely on pyromancers
---[Viynain on 10/22 @ 22:30 writes]:
Feel free to envoy another suggestion if 506 was rejected if the Administration
weren't happy with your proposed solutions. Disagreeing with a problem eight
other envoys recognize because your own report wasn't accepted doesn't negate
the existence of this problem I'm seeking a solution to.