Report 87

Report #87
Skillset: Tahtetso Skill: Block
 Org: Tahtetso Status: Rejected Nov 2008
Furies' Decision:
We do not believe this to be necessary.
Problem: Currently, KA BLOCK provides defense against weapons (and only weapons)
as long as no action is performed by the one BLOCKing. Of course this is meant
to be useful against a warrior, but warriors can just use a non-weapon attack
(Headslam, etc) to get the monk out of BLOCK, making the skill virtually
useless.
Solution #1: Change BLOCK to a parry version of ScorpionTail. When a target
 hits the monk's normal parry, the target is knocked prone.
Solution #2: Change BLOCK to a parry version of ScorpionTail. When a target
 hits the monk's normal parry, the target has a chance to be
 knocked prone.
Player Comments:
---[Synl on 11/12 @ 15:12 writes]:
I may be mistaken here, but does parry not have a higher chance to succeed than
stancing? If so, there should be a downside to using ka block, such as minor
balance loss on a successful block (less than 1s or so.)
---[Vesar on 11/13 @ 01:57 writes]:
I don't know about the chances for either, unfortunately.
---[Synl on 11/19 @ 20:40 writes]:
My mistake, I did not read the solutions properly. I would say solution 2 is
best if parry does indeed have a higher chance to trigger than stancing. If the
chances are equal, solution 1 sounds solid, too.
---[Vesar on 11/19 @ 23:20 writes]:
I agree on that. It would have to be up to Roark and co to determine the chance
to trigger for parry/stancing.
---[Shuyin on 11/25 @ 04:26 writes]:
Sure, but I'd prefer the bigger broken stuff from all monks be addressed
relatively soon
---[Desitrus on 11/26 @ 05:53 writes]:
Stance/parry are based on number of locations and skill in combat. Stance head
is extremely effective, while stance upper is very spread out and minimally
effective. Parrying your head with 100% is very effective, while parrying your
chest, head, and both arms is not. It would be equivalent to scorpiontail if it
were to just go off parry and autoprone just like theirs, unless STail is only a
'chance', and then this would be fine as a 'chance'. Both defenses are effective
based on the number of covered spots.
---[Synl on 11/26 @ 14:21 writes]:
Scorpiontail is prone on every successful stance-dodge. If Stance Head and parry
head 100 are equally effective, I see nothing wrong with solution 1
---[Ceren on 11/27 @ 00:13 writes]:
I have to say, with the current state of shatteredankles, this is just too much.
They're regen cured affs that prevent standing and can be given two-a-piece
outside a kata for 0 momentum (in other words, once they're prone they'll never
stand again), and, of course, they can be stacked with mangles like twistedlimbs
once could be. Make them a mending cure like twistedlimbs, and I think this
report is perfectly fine
---[Xenthos on 11/27 @ 02:41 writes]:
Would this work on partial parries as well? Since there is no "partial
stancing". I would imagine not, given the explanation.
---[Vesar on 11/28 @ 04:19 writes]:
I'd say no to partial parries.
---[Desitrus on 11/29 @ 17:53 writes]:
Not partial parries to my knowledge. Regarding out of form shattered ankles,
they would have to be waiting specifically for someone to hit parry in order to
get that kind of result, not to mention out-of-form balance is extremely long.
Since it is used in two separate commands, it will also drain two momentum and
they won't have much to work with assuming they started at 5, which most won't.
Mangles for Tahtetso are given only in forms and only at M4+ (400 ka on the
modifier alone, before factoring in raze/the actual attack/etc).