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At first i was annoyed, figured well its day 1/2 theyll figure it out. Well i was wrong. My guild/gaming community 125 members strong were ready to suit up and jump right in and drop some big bucks. Unfortunately for carbine, they blew their shot. You can only make a FIRST impression ONCE. You guys had a very large amount of hype. I know quite a few 1-200 member guilds that were going to make the transition, you guys did have solid gameplay. But its now day 3 and nothing...and i mean nothing you have done has given us any faith in you. You did have a massive chance to save your game and make some serious cash. Youve lost it. I am turning my ship with no plan on returning. Good luck carbine, Good luck. Maybe you guys should ask for forgiveness and even give the people that DO try and stay a HUGE gift, cuz you guys really messed it up big time.
 
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Prone to exaggeration aren't we?
 
If they were going to make the transition (assuming theres as many as you say), and "drop big bucks" (assuming thats even remotely true) why did they wait for F2P?
 
Something to think about.
 
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			cool, and you feel the need to tell us, why? ok and can i haz ur stuffz?	
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			Way prone to exaggeration.  I was able to create a character and play and though a bit laggy, nothing that wasn't expected.   For the few loud naysayers, there are plenty more that are patient.	
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When I see someone say they are part of a big guild/gaming community, I take that to mean that's a large group of people that's been together for a long time, have been gaming for a long time.  They've stuck together for a while through at least one game, and who knows how many they play or have played together.  They've seen the worst and the best in the games they are playing.  They know the problems that can come with a launch, a re-launch, an expansion, etc..., so why would you try to jump into a game that is going through something like that if you are a veteran group of gamers?  Or at least take that into consideration when jumping into a new game and dealing with the issues as they pop up?
 
I don't mean to be a *cupcake* with all that, I'm genuinely curious as to why people are doing this when they know what they could be getting into.  
			
				
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cool, and you feel the need to tell us, why? ok and can i haz ur stuffz?
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OPs right though.
 
I mean 3 days of basically unplayability, imagine the thousands of people just thinking "*cupcake* this, i'll go play WoW".
 
You only had one shot, and having TWO servers for a f2p launch was ignorant as hell.	
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Prone to exaggeration aren't we?
 
If they were going to make the transition (assuming theres as many as you say), and "drop big bucks" (assuming thats even remotely true) why did they wait for F2P?
 
Something to think about.
 
Also the server has been lag free almost all day so im not seeing how theres no improvement.
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why would a guild move to a game dead game, no trial to even see if most of us could play it or even a community that was willing to help.F2P could have given this chance, and if we liked it would have had no problem dropping some money here to say thank you. Thats all lost now. Dont care if u troll, but do it correctly.
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Hyperbole and exaggeration aside, OP is pretty much right.
 
WildStar had *one last chance* to make a good first impression. This is not how good first impressions are made.	
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Right about what exactly?
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Right about what exactly? you're whining because it's first week of the launch? OP is full of bullcake... "big guild big community wanting to unload big bucks into this game" pfffffft. If it was really like that they wouldn't turn around just because it lags on the LAUNCH WEEK. Tho it's good that they didn't stay. Wildstar don't need players like these :D
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Hyperbole and exaggeration aside, OP is pretty much right.
 
WildStar had *one last chance* to make a good first impression. This is not how good first impressions are made.
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I have to agree with the OP's disappointment, however I am not leaving the game.
 
That said....
 
From the opening night issues of latency and queues, to the severe latency and login issues yesterday to the inability to access the game world this morning... Three days of disappointing issues does have its toll on first impressions. I understand the developers are doing what they can to fix the issues but it seems for every issue they "hotfix" another two issues arise.
 
If players are getting upset about this then that is their right. If I hadn't been in the MMO world for the last 16 years I would probably be upset also, but after the nearly two dozen MMO launches that I have been a part of I have come to expect these issues, however this isnt Wildstars first picnic, Carbine and NCsoft should both be ashamed that they failed not once, but twice.
 
And for all the fanbois who will disagree I can say this: FFXIV:ARR went off with a damn near perfect relaunch and it had few bugs and no seriously latency.. and absolutely no login issues.  For relaunches I have to rate that as one of the best I have ever had the pleasure to see. for the worst... well lets just say I think D3 will forever hold that title... Even Warhammer wasnt that bad.	
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I have to agree with the OP's disappointment, however I am not leaving the game.
 
That said....
 
From the opening night issues of latency and queues, to the severe latency and login issues yesterday to the inability to access the game world this morning... Three days of disappointing issues does have its toll on first impressions. I understand the developers are doing what they can to fix the issues but it seems for every issue they "hotfix" another two issues arise.
 
If players are getting upset about this then that is their right. If I hadn't been in the MMO world for the last 16 years I would probably be upset also, but after the nearly two dozen MMO launches that I have been a part of I have come to expect these issues, however this isnt Wildstars first picnic, Carbine and NCsoft should both be ashamed that they failed not once, but twice.
 
And for all the fanbois who will disagree I can say this: FFXIV:ARR went off with a damn near perfect relaunch and it had few bugs and no seriously latency.. and absolutely no login issues.  For relaunches I have to rate that as one of the best I have ever had the pleasure to see. for the worst... well lets just say I think D3 will forever hold that title... Even Warhammer wasnt that bad.
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So seeing as the game was "dead" enough to go F2P in the first place they wouldn't have been coming anyway?
 
If you would like to edit out the amount of just straight up crap you put in your OP i'll take it seriously, until then you are a butthurt man/woman/child throwing around claims trying to get something done because technical difficulties work that way right?
 
I don't do trolling, it's for children and people with a screen and far too much distance between them and a punch in the throat, i do however point out glaringly obvious -been done a million times- fairy tales.
 
Anyone who has been on an mmo for more than two minutes at launch expects this, throwing around empty threats doesn't help the situation, i mean honestly, do you think your little rant helped anything at all?
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Except it's not even a launch.... It's a *cupcake* transition.
 
Why didn't TERA have this problem? Because they aren't -complete- asshats.
 
Just look at this twitter feed
 
@Wildstarops
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			Wow, resorting to name calling is not a good thing.  Patience is a virtue.  Get some.  It's been two days.  My gosh.  You'd think the world was coming to an end.  There are a lot of games out, I'm sure you all have some to play.  Give Carbine the benefit of the doubt and let them fix it.  My friends and I are playing other games while we wait.	
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The Devs called it a relaunch so its just that.but if you want to call it a transition you are free to do so, Nothing else changes.
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Prone to exaggeration aren't we?
 
If they were going to make the transition (assuming theres as many as you say), and "drop big bucks" (assuming thats even remotely true) why did they wait for F2P?
 
Something to think about.
 
Also the server has been lag free almost all day so im not seeing how theres no improvement.
 
not trying to fight with you, but I logged in last night (7 hours ago) and for an hour me and the entire zone I Was in could barely pick up an item or swing our weapons...so... I dunno about lag free.
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First, its not a threat, it was me expressing the sadness my guild and myself feel. Second, it went free to play because they were just BARELY floating. Third, i smell a fanboy.
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OPs right though.
 
I mean 3 days of basically unplayability, imagine the thousands of people just thinking "*cupcake*this, i'll go play WoW".
 
You only had one shot, and having TWO servers for a f2p launch was ignorant as hell.
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The amount of mad in this thread is stupidly high.
 
They didn't go free to play because they were dying as fast as you think they were. They lost maybe 100k subs or so over the last few months with about another 200k coming back? I don't know, doesn't sound like it's dying to me. If you want to talk about dying, look at the fact that WoW lost 5 million subscribers within the same amount of time Wildstar has been alive.
 
Honestly, I'm gonna call BS on your 150+ guild members joining, Feisty Feet. I have never seen any guild that hasn't spammed in trade chat reach that high with that active of a player base in the 15 years of MMOs I've played.
 
I've leveled one character from 20 to level 50 during all this lag, and another from 1 to 20, and I plan on leveling him up to 50 by the end of tomorrow. So to have it unplayable? Really? At least it's playable through the lag. I remember I couldn't even log in in WoW during the Warlords launch.
 
Get over yourselves and play the *cupcake*ing game.	
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I highly doubt you have your own gaming community of 125 active people, you sound like a tool
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why would a guild move to a game dead game, no trial to even see if most of us could play it or even a community that was willing to help.F2P could have given this chance, and if we liked it would have had no problem dropping some money here to say thank you. Thats all lost now. Dont care if u troll, but do it correctly.
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			I highly doubt you have your own gaming community of 125 active people, you sound like a tool	
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The White Knight Chant
 
"launch"
"go back to wow" 
"you don't know how servers work"
"every mmo since the dawn of modern technology has had issues on launch"
"leave"
"be patient"
"it'll be fixed soon"
"Come back in a week"
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There's always been a 10 day trial and the game's been in the humble bundle up for grabs, so nobody had to spend tons of money before you knew what you were up to. If you want to see if the community is helpful, check the help forums, which are free to access to any member making an account, subscription or not.
 
That aside, I'm also pretty sad (not dissapointed, since I know Carbine is doing all they can) that there's still lag, making the game harder to play. It will all sort itself in the coming days. From what I've seen in starter areas there's tons of friendly new folk and also tons of nice people helping out.
 
As for W* "barely floating", they wouldn't have had to make the transgression to f2p if they had a big subscriber base like WoW or FFXIV.
 
As for your "125 man raid guild"..... If it existed at all, why didn't you join W* before f2p at all? W* is known for solid raid design and not being for "casuals".
 
 
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Actually, what is ignorant is your understanding of Wildstar's servers. They're megaservers, not normal servers. The reason there are even two rather than just the one is because there is one each for PvE and PvP. Even increasing the capacity, they're still only going to have two servers.
 
Also, in said three days I've managed to level two characters to 13 (and I'm not exactly a speedy leveller). Not sure how I'd be capable of that if what you said about it being unplayable was true. Seriously guys, hyperbole doesn't help your case, it just makes you come across as drama queens. Doesn't really help the devs either, since they need accurate and detailed feedback, not "I CAN'T PLAY, THIS GAME FAILS!!!".
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Re-launch, transition whatever point being this shit just straight up shouldn't happen. There's no excuse for it. If it was it's ACTUAL launch, then yeah sure, but this is inexcusable.
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The amount of mad in this thread is stupidly high.
 
They didn't go free to play because they were dying as fast as you think they were. They lost maybe 100k subs or so over the last few months with about another 200k coming back? I don't know, doesn't sound like it's dying to me. If you want to talk about dying, look at the fact that WoW lost 5 million subscribers within the same amount of time Wildstar has been alive.
 
Honestly, I'm gonna call BS on your 150+ guild members joining, Feisty Feet. I have never seen any guild that hasn't spammed in trade chat reach that high with that active of a player base in the 15 years of MMOs I've played.
 
I've leveled one character from 20 to level 50 during all this lag, and another from 1 to 20, and I plan on leveling him up to 50 by the end of tomorrow. So to have it unplayable? Really? At least it's playable through the lag. I remember I couldn't even log in in WoW during the Warlords launch.
 
Get over yourselves and play the *cupcake*ing game.
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The game went live on June 3, 2014. This was a patch, that they had plenty of time to get the kinks out.
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Time to call BS on you, there are guilds in WoW of over 200 players same with FF, I had no issues logging in during Warlords launch so I guess because I could it means everyone can right? I mean you were able to level so everyone else could right?
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And there it is, the last straw of a man called out with no other recourse .......... fanboy.
I'll give you credit, at least you didn't fall back on my grammar.
 
I am far from a fanboy, in fact there are many things about this game i can poke holes in, i just do it like a grown up and not a child.
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			Hmm i could swear tons of people flooding the server couldnt care less about your money. I think Carbine will survive without it also.	
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Actually, what is ignorant is your understanding of Wildstar's servers. They're megaservers, not normal servers. The reason there are even two rather than just the one is because there is one each for PvE and PvP. Even increasing the capacity, they're still only going to have two servers.
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			Dark exile....Lag free where in the heck do you play? Must not be on an NA server. Heck the character logins are still down, and group instances kick you to char screen.	
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			Dark exile....Lag free where in the heck do you play? Must not be on an NA server. Heck the character logins are still down, and group instances kick you to char screen.	
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Look Sire, Im not here to argue with you. Did i exaggerate? YES...It was to make a point. NCSoft has been through many launches and should have known better, Carbine already messed this up the first time they launched. They said they were ready for this launch, nobody pushed them, and, guess what? they werent. so even though i exaggerated, my point stands. *heads back to the crap hole of C9*
 
May sand and salt irritate your feet forever carbine.   
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No shit there's guilds with over 200 players in them. Are all of them active? Are they all on 100% of the time? No, they're not and I know this because I'm in one. I've been in several since WoW started. At least the servers are active for Wildstar. My server was literally shut down during Warlords, making it entirely impossible to play.
 
And yes, that means others can. What I've mostly seen, though, is "Waah, waah, lag is too bad, waah. I can't play cause lag. Waah. Waah. I'm gonna quit this game. Waah. Waah."
 
Yes, everyone can. Most people choose not to.
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I can say that I will continue to be patient, because this is just a game I hope to try and enjoy.
 
That being said, everyone who is defending it, I do hope you notice one thing like I have. The amount of people defending it on forums for all of the issues they are having are becoming less and less everyday. I even see the ones who were pseudo-wanabe-mods are starting to turn to the complaining as well.
 
My only hope is that they can fix whatever is going on soon, because my questions for the game are going unnoticed because of how many threads about this game sucking are being created on a minute basis.	
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Really? After waiting nearly an hour to get in I get destroyed by a monster because my abilities didn't register, I couldn't loot anything, I got disconnected 3 times, and today I can't even zone into the world.........and there are gaming communities that span over multiple games, FF has one for example, so get off your white knight high horse suck it up and admit that the game was unplayable for MANY the past 2 days and today doesn't seem to be any different.
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Really? After waiting nearly an hour to get in I get destroyed by a monster because my abilities didn't register, I couldn't loot anything, I got disconnected 3 times, and today I can't even zone into the world.........and there are gaming communities that span over multiple games, FF has one for example, so get off your white knight high horse suck it up and admit that the game was unplayable for MANY the past 2 days and today doesn't seem to be any different.
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Dark exile....Lag free where in the heck do you play? Must not be on an NA server. Heck the character logins are still down, and group instances kick you to char screen.
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Please get mad more and go back to your shit game of FF if you love it so much. Because it's never had problems, right?
 
Oh... wait... yeah, it did... At launch, if I recall correctly.
 
Hm. Funny how that works.
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And I was killed several times because of lag. I never said I wasn't. I got disconnected several times. I got killed and couldn't loot anything, just like everyone else. But what did I do? I stuck with it and played. It's really not that difficult.
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Actually I don't play FF, I am using it as an example, and if I recall correctly it was at least PLAYABLE at launch (ARR anyway, first one was shit).
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And by the many accounts of others saying they're able to play this game without many issues makes it not playable?
 
 
Well, that's their own problem. I'm gonna say the same thing others have said: We won't miss yah.
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If the people who are getting frustrated walk away (and trust me, based on here and MMO-Champion there are LOTS) you will miss them, the game world will be dead and the game will go bye bye, if ignorance is bliss you must be one happy person.
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The only people I've seen "leave" are people coming in from F2P. I never expected them to stay long. (And honestly, MMO-Champ is garbage, so there's that, too). I've seen many groups of friends come in and say they're staying even through the issues because they enjoyed the game so much during the beta, and several large guilds are staying because it's what they love. I see what's happening around me and the reactions of others that I have heard. I'm sorry I'm not omniscient and can see what everyone in all corners of the internet are saying at all times.
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And there it is, the last straw of a man called out with no other recourse .......... fanboy.
I'll give you credit, at least you didn't fall back on my grammar.
 
I am far from a fanboy, in fact there are many things about this game i can poke holes in, i just do it like a grown up and not a child.
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About making a poor impression. And yeah, it's launch week, and yeah, they'll get it straightened out eventually.
 
My point was that, as the OP says, there are lots of potential players who have now been turned completely off the game. I know that crap happens during these times, but many people (obviously) don't have the same patience or experience as others.
 
I fully grok both sides of the divide. I *tried* to play Archeage at launch. It was horrible. Could never get in due to my work schedule, so after almost a week, I gave up. Frustrated and put-off, I finally gave it a chance a couple weeks later, but by then, it was too late. I could never shake the feeling that I had sitting that those queues for DAYS without being able to play. Started, left and uninstalled all in the same day. Why? Poor first impressions, nothing more. And I like to think that I'm a pretty fair-minded adult with a reasonable grasp of such things.
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			OP are those your feet? If so they are gross, and curved. Seriously nasty. I would not recommend using those feet as an avatar.	
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Read this thread over.
 
My guild and i have been very upset the last few days because:
 
a)  We can barely log in
B)  the lag makes raiding impossible.  Sure, we have made it through half of GA, short manning and half-assing it, but the lag spikes have been very very obnoxious.
c)  re-runing well is costing around 50p PER SET.  I was prepared but not everyone was.
 
So we are all pissed.  I thought about quitting too, but here's the thing:
 
Raiding Datascape is _AWESOME_.
 
I can't think of another game with this level of challenging, endgame group content.  All the other games i heard of are either P2W (eeewwww) or lack wildstar raids.  No one wants to go back to wow.  Why?  Raiding here is better.  Sure this relaunch is a bit of a cluster*cupcake* because Carbine tries to do everything on the cheap now and didn't have the servers/people they needed, but what?  I could play something else, get to endgame, likely spend MORE money and then go "meh."   That's why wildstar.	
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I rarely post on the forums and I mostly just creep, plus I am no white knight for any game.  That being said....
 
Do you not think it is a bit haphazard to dismiss this game when it was only put on F2P status 3 days ago?  Yes, the lag has been horrible and they could have prepared better but computers, from my experience, can be finicky and they had a lot of people surge on to their servers at once, probably more than they expected.
 
Bottom line, in MY opinion, unless you paid for the subscription, I do not think you really have room to complain since you can just come back 3~5 days later and experience lag free without any cost to you.  I know the lag has also been getting better on Entity.	
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https://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/comments/3mvmyp/ysk_with_wildstar_the_term_megaserver_is_a_title/
 
They're regular servers with an increased capacity compared to the original servers. If there were actual megaservers as most MMO players know them, there would still be a list of realms (Stormtalon, Pergo, Evindra, etc.) to choose from and then, regardless of your realm, you would see and interact with players from all realms in the actual game world.
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it is not more intelligent to criticize the post of a person disappointed by the failed launch whatever the way in which it is expressed.... <_< 
 
Whatever the tone and the way it say, we must admit that this launch is catastrophic , and certainly because Carbin hardly communicates on the bugs.
Where are the post where Carbin indicate taking into account all problems with details about progressions , involvement and so on ? 
 
We are very likely not be able to play despite having paid. I do not expect that everything works out in a day , but I expect at least some communications to feel that i'm taking into account... 
otherwise , I understand very well that some people less patients can be angry with the feel that carbin dont care about us , more over, when you feel they dont even seem to have taken into account the need for additional servers ...
 
 
Two days stucked on the characters creation and two tickets after the only official communication i got was:
Hello,
Thank you so much for letting us know about this. Please note that the Development Team is aware of this issue and they are working on a resolution, however we don't have a fix or workaround for this quite yet. Please keep an eye on our forum posts where we are tracking known issues and providing updates as we have them. Please also be sure to review the Game Updates section of the forums regularly as any bug fixes or new content will be posted there.
Game Updates:https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/forum/99-game-updates/
If you have any other concerns, please feel free to contact us again.
Regards,
ReyNCSOFT Support Team"
Well, really ???
the first very step in a mmo game (character creation) is buggy and development team cant do anything actually ?????
after one year activity and a month beta f2p period ? :wacko:   (is that serious ?)
Well, fortunately i was able to play during the beta RTP and really enjoyed the game, so i will stay patient and wait to be able to play again, but i really understand new players leaving that game without a real try in that conditions and how paid players can be angry.	
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The important thing to realize is that for every person who makes a complaint thread or post, several more quit in complete silence.
 
MMO launches are rough. Everybody knows this. But first impressions are incredibly important, and Wildstar has failed for the second time now to create a positive first impression. This is especially bad for returning players who wanted to give it a second chance. I loved this game when it launched a year ago but quit because I didn't like the design direction. Now I come back and I'm greeted with a relaunch that's somehow even worse than the original one-- and I can only imagine how this looks to first-time players who don't know how great this game is because they can't even really play it.
 
The only thing they can hope for now is for this to all blow over. You can try to rationalize this launch as much as you want with "it's launch week! MMO launches always suck!" but that doesn't change the impression this launch has made-- and you need only look at the forums to see what that impression is. Will the game die? Absolutely not, they lasted this long so WS isn't going anywhere. But each day of inaccessible servers costs them potential players who will simply move on and not give WS a second look.	
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I didn't see anything in that link you gave that proves what you say, only conjecture. Also I mustn't be most MMO players, since when I think of megaservers, I think of what TESO and Neverwinter have (i.e. not a list of individual servers that are linked).
 
Proof...?
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Ofc, the ones that love the game already will stay around and wait for the fix, but I can understand how someone that didn't really know the game and his/her knowledge of it is based on what has been written on the web were probably already coming with really bad opinions in mind (lets face it, the dislike (and hate) towards WS was really blown out of proportion on the internet) and this will just make the hates happy. (I can imagine them wearing t-shirts saying "I Told You So")
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The important thing to realize is that for every person who makes a complaint thread or post, several more quit in complete silence.
 
MMO launches are rough. Everybody knows this. But first impressions are incredibly important, and Wildstar has failed for the second time now to create a positive first impression. This is especially bad for returning players who wanted to give it a second chance. I loved this game when it launched a year ago but quit because I didn't like the design direction. Now I come back and I'm greeted with a relaunch that's somehow even worse than the original one-- and I can only imagine how this looks to first-time players who don't know how great this game is because they can't even really play it.
 
The only thing they can hope for now is for this to all blow over. You can try to rationalize this launch as much as you want with "it's launch week! MMO launches always suck!" but that doesn't change the impression this launch has made-- and you need only look at the forums to see what that impression is. Will the game die? Absolutely not, they lasted this long so WS isn't going anywhere. But each day of inaccessible servers costs them potential players who will simply move on and not give WS a second look.
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Wow, resorting to name calling is not a good thing.  Patience is a virtue.  Get some.  It's been two days.  My gosh.  You'd think the world was coming to an end.  There are a lot of games out, I'm sure you all have some to play.  Give Carbine the benefit of the doubt and let them fix it.  My friends and I are playing other games while we wait.
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The only people I've seen "leave" are people coming in from F2P. I never expected them to stay long.
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You! Yes YOU! thank you for illustrating my point with...well...words and sentences my toes could not come up with. my toe wants a hug...
 
on a different note..
Mommy, my pants are too tight.
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While I agree with the points made by Barong about first impressions and how they dropped the ball, do you see yourself and your guild trying again in a few days?  I think the game is worth giving a shot again if ya'll just wait a few days! :)
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I love this game and its pvp. They have had a HUGE influx of new accounts. I agree 2 servers isnt enough. i counted over 1k new accounts being made last night at around 1:30am which were all dated today. Not exactly sure what time zone their website is linked to. but that was just a few hours at most. If you dont expect growing pains from this you are just plain silly!
 
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No. NCSoft is a big enough company, has been through enough launches/relaunches/fixes/whatever else....and...yet they still havnt even updated us about the crash 3 hours ago. This company is not showing us anything. and truthfully, if this game was launched with another company i would play it no doubt. But this is just unacceptable. truly unacceptable.
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Okay, good point.  But maybe there is a good reason they haven't said anything as of yet?  Maybe they are trying to fix stuff and I know @Wildstarops is decently updated for server issues.
 
As far as NCSoft is a big company etc etc stuff, I cannot comment since I do not know their exact nature related to Carbine but I do know even SE's FFXIV (Before ARR) flopped hard even though they should have known better from their prior FF mmo BUT! they still recovered and have made a great game....maybe if given the chance the same can come out of Wildstar? :)
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i just noticed NCSoft own Blade&Soul..........*screams internally*
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The amount of mad in this thread is stupidly high.
 
They didn't go free to play because they were dying as fast as you think they were.
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i just noticed NCSoft own Blade&Soul..........*screams internally*
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Look Sire, Im not here to argue with you. Did i exaggerate? YES...It was to make a point. NCSoft has been through many launches and should have known better, Carbine already messed this up the first time they launched. They said they were ready for this launch, nobody pushed them, and, guess what? they werent. so even though i exaggerated, my point stands. *heads back to the crap hole of C9*
 
May sand and salt irritate your feet forever carbine.   
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OPs right though.
 
I mean 3 days of basically unplayability, imagine the thousands of people just thinking "*cupcake*this, i'll go play WoW".
 
You only had one shot, and having TWO servers for a f2p launch was ignorant as hell.
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			Over 15 years of gaming under my belt. I've played nearly every mmo I've ever heard of. Easily the worst LAUNCH I've seen so far. And this is a relaunch. Completely unacceptable. I haven't been able to play, at all, since f2p. Not one time will the game let me in. Carbine needs to get their shit together seriously. 
			
				
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Over 15 years of gaming under my belt. I've played nearly every mmo I've ever heard of. Easily the worst LAUNCH I've seen so far. And this is a relaunch. Completely unacceptable. I haven't been able to play, at all, since f2p. Not one time will the game let me in. Carbine needs to get their shit together seriously. 
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			oh dear, no begging please. WE WANT REAL CASH ECONOMY NOW!	
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to the OP why do you have to make yet another new post on this subject could you not just add your say to the other thread going on this subject or were you afraid that your drama thread or spat would just be lost in it !!! sorry but have played wildstar in both betas yes it is a bad start but things can only get better and im willing to give them time to resolve the issues as are my gaming clan/guild and we have many years exp playing mmo`s and beta testing.
 
Just merge the threeads like this and be done with it.	
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Anyone that has been turned off by the game due to F2P launch issues would most likely have quit playing within a week or 2 anyway and/or not put any money into game during their play-time.
 
Anyone with an ounce of logic running around in their heads will realize that the issues with lag etc will be fixed eventually anyway, such as me and a friend are just waiting patiently for the lag issues to be fixed and then we will start playing again, this makes much more sense than crying and saying "omg, such lag, 120+ of us are going to quit already, you lost your chance, wahh wahh wahh".	
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Well the OP has admitted to exaggerating a tad, which is to his credit.
 
Would you like to do the same before i list off at least 10 launches so far worse than this they make this update seem like a calm pond with floating unicorns and sweet smelling daisies?
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Maybe its not the worst for you personally, but nothing can beat not being able to play at all. By day 3 I have been able to at least get past starting zones, not matter the lag, or server drops. This? how can I if i cant even begin?
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Yes well in , you  know i'm not sure how many years without google so we'll go with the UO launch which is more or less when i started, i have played every mmo i have had access to, at one point it was my job, and i would put money on it this is nowhere near the worst if you have played as many as you say in that span of time, almost all, yes ever single one, has been on par with or far worse.
 
People seem to need a reality check, i get it, people are mad because they want it right now, and i can be fairly positive if i went back through some forums from years ago i would find almost the exact same post there by the same person.
Problem is people forget how bad launches, relaunches and expansions are in general for games they used to play, or play on and off, because they want this one at this very moment its an issue and for some ungodly reason they get emotional about it.
 
I'm annoyed, shit since closed beta i have had very few troubles, the biggest i've had was Carbine opening the floodgates, in two days ive seen speed hackers, waited in queue, waited through lag, been disconnected because random person A has bad character data, been locked out of the game from trying to log into one of my 50s and i paid for the privelegde, if people are mad because something they were given for nothing isn't working 100% imagine how pissed some of us should be for investing long term in the game to suddenly have it not working the way we were used to.
 
No doubt some of us are, but most of us will grin and bear it, posting over exaggerated doom and gloom posts all over the forums wont solve anything, if nothing else it will create the typical toxic F2P forum no one around here really wants.
And hey, most of the current playerbase waited till F2P to bother even giving this game a thought, that long wait didnt kill them, i'm fairly certain another few days won't do them any harm,
 
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And hey, most of the current playerbase waited till F2P to bother even giving this game a thought, that long wait didnt kill them, i'm fairly certain another few days won't do them any harm,
 
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I paid for my copy so it didn't cost me nothing.
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And it definitely doesn't help when new players come on to the forums to vent their frustrations (however they choose to do it) and see, "WELL IT'S BEEN OKAY FOR ME! YOU'RE JUST BEING AN OVERDRAMATIC, ENTITLED, IMPATIENT BABY. WE DON'T NEED YOU, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO [My least favorite MMO]?!"
 
A real nice glimpse into the community, that is. Regardless of technical launch issues, if I was a new player and I came onto the forums during this shitstorm and saw the posts I'm seeing now, I wouldn't touch this game with a 10-foot pole based on that alone.
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			What an interesting industry, where fresh failure is excused by past failure from competing products.	
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No. NCSoft is a big enough company, has been through enough launches/relaunches/fixes/whatever else....and...yet they still havnt even updated us about the crash 3 hours ago. This company is not showing us anything. and truthfully, if this game was launched with another company i would play it no doubt. But this is just unacceptable. truly unacceptable.
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Are they truly the only gaming company that does this?  Keeps it's players in the dark when the *cupcake* hits the fan?  Why are they unforgivable for it?
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OPs right though.
 
I mean 3 days of basically unplayability, imagine the thousands of people just thinking "*cupcake*this, i'll go play WoW".
 
You only had one shot, and having TWO servers for a f2p launch was ignorant as hell.
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Ok I will, saying people waited for F2P but hey wait a few days it won't hurt you is basically "stfu and wait", oh and as I said, I am willing to give them 4 more days to fix it if not I am out.
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If the best you can do is  "you didn't say this but ill twist it so you did" then you sir need to lose the assumptions.
 
We ALL have to wait, no one likes it. its a real simple case of hey guess what, you waited this long and it didn't bother you, you didn't starve, suffocate, lose a limb, family member or  cherished pet, you are still a functioning human being, two or three days isn't going to change that so why act like the worlds on fire.
 
That is NOT even remotely what you tried turning it into.
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If only people that paid for the content logged on and this happened then yes i agree with you.
 
But in this case there are thousands of people who do not pay for it also trying to log on. The server cant differentiate whether u are paying or not to give u more resources (and if it did that would be just as bad).
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You should have wrote..."I didn't want to see anything in that link...."
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So let me get this straight, if something you PAID FOR keeps going down every hour, when you can connect you can't access the content, and if you do it lags so bad you can't use it anymore..........you shouldn't be frustrated or angry and voice your thoughts on it? And also? What I quoted is the same damn thing as what I said it was, don't try and mask it.
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Prone to exaggeration aren't we?
 
If they were going to make the transition (assuming theres as many as you say), and "drop big bucks" (assuming thats even remotely true) why did they wait for F2P?
 
Something to think about.
 
Also the server has been lag free almost all day so im not seeing how theres no improvement.
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Dont be sad. There are reasons the game was practically dead with a sub model , You are not missing much.
 
Just calling it how it is.	
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			This IS sad, they have been out what, a year now and it seems like they have fixed nothing since then, then OH BOY! F2P!! even MORE problems and shit to deal with. Mainly login and DC issues. Which at the rat they are having them, are game breaking. The seem to know what the issue is, and if that is the case, why the hell isn't this shit fixed yet?! This crap is what kills MMOs, more bugs and glitches than the DEV team can handle. It should have not gone F2P when it did, hell, it should not have even been released when it was a year ago. If they had spent more time worrying about making a quality product than profits, this shit would NEVER have happened, the game would still have a pay to play model because it would be a quality product. But it seems less and less companies want quality nowadays, instead its all about how much money they can make up front rather than making a quality product that will have people actually want to continue to pay to use it.	
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			This is unfortunately nothing unusual when it comes to wildstar. They have great ideas and concepts that are super cool in theory, but they just can't seem to execute them well enough. When the game was first launched it was FILLED with bugs everywhere and it's probably the main reason why it failed so badly. I was hoping it would be better now with the relaunch but they have apparently learned nothing.	
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			I can understand everyone's including the OP's frustration with this launch. Yesterday it took 4 tries to beat the proto games. Not because we were a garbage group but because I had to leave the instance 3 times in a row due to insane rage inducing lag after loot would drop in the dungeon. then to top that off, I was stuck in combat and couldnt use a teleport. Also, my group members chat wasnt showing up in the log untill a while after they had typed it. To top it all off, it was my first time tanking as a stalker. Actually it was my first time tanking ever in any game. SO, OP I feel your frustrations but I AINT leavin. This will get sorted out. You and your guildies, however many of them you are should maybe give it a few days. IMO, the game is too good not to. Hope to see you on NEXUS	
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OPs right though.
 
I mean 3 days of basically unplayability, imagine the thousands of people just thinking "*cupcake*this, i'll go play WoW".
 
You only had one shot, and having TWO servers for a f2p launch was ignorant as hell.
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Most of the people who complain of launch issues have played a world of warcraft expansion at launch in their lives.......now that's the definition of horrible launch weeks.
 
It's unfortunate that so many are expecting carbine to perform magic tricks for them a couple days into launch.
 
Trust me, the game is worth waiting for...and you will be able to play as much as you want, lag free soon enough.	
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			First impressions, ONCE? This game Is a year old bro..... the reasons people stoped playing before will be so again, lag, no end game, ECT only now they are trying to get a few more bucks out of it, and no I don't blame Carbine, I blame NCsoft, all there games are vary limited once they are produced they get almost no money to continue making the game NCsoft sucks the companies dry.	
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And it definitely doesn't help when new players come on to the forums to vent their frustrations (however they choose to do it) and see, "WELL IT'S BEEN OKAY FOR ME! YOU'RE JUST BEING AN OVERDRAMATIC, ENTITLED, IMPATIENT BABY. WE DON'T NEED YOU, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO [My least favorite MMO]?!"
 
A real nice glimpse into the community, that is. Regardless of technical launch issues, if I was a new player and I came onto the forums during this shitstorm and saw the posts I'm seeing now, I wouldn't touch this game with a 10-foot pole based on that alone.
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			I call bullshit on the OP's claims.  I've heard it a dozen times at least since launch day."OMG I HAZ 200+ GUILZ U FKK UP BAI"Let's see guild/community names.  Give us a little backing.  Because right now, all I'm seeing is a solitary whiner - a bunch of solitary whiners.No gaming community worth its salt is going to make snap judgements that will move an entire community in - or out - of a new game.  That's now how it works.  And that's why the OP's bullshit claim is just that - bullshit.	
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Most of the people who complain of launch issues have played a world of warcraft expansion at launch in their lives.......now that's the definition of horrible launch weeks.
 
It's unfortunate that so many are expecting carbine to perform magic tricks for them a couple days into launch.
 
Trust me, the game is worth waiting for...and you will be able to play as much as you want, lag free soon enough.
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Tabula Rasa,
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I knew this game was setting itself for imminent failure when it launched with no sort of free trial whatsoever in a time that WoW was completely dominant.
 
They expected players to blindly purchase the game in order to try it out. Its lack of population quickly killed it.
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At first i was annoyed, figured well its day 1/2 theyll figure it out. Well i was wrong. My guild/gaming community 125 members strong were ready to suit up and jump right in and drop some big bucks. Unfortunately for carbine, they blew their shot. You can only make a FIRST impression ONCE. You guys had a very large amount of hype. I know quite a few 1-200 member guilds that were going to make the transition, you guys did have solid gameplay. But its now day 3 and nothing...and i mean nothing you have done has given us any faith in you. You did have a massive chance to save your game and make some serious cash. Youve lost it. I am turning my ship with no plan on returning. Good luck carbine, Good luck. Maybe you guys should ask for forgiveness and even give the people that DO try and stay a HUGE gift, cuz you guys really messed it up big time.
 
On a side note,
MOMMY my pants are tight!
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So let me get this straight, if something you PAID FOR keeps going down every hour, when you can connect you can't access the content, and if you do it lags so bad you can't use it anymore..........you shouldn't be frustrated or angry and voice your thoughts on it? And also? What I quoted is the same damn thing as what I said it was, don't try and mask it.
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Right about what exactly? you're whining because it's first week of the launch? OP is full of bullcake... "big guild big community wanting to unload big bucks into this game" pfffffft. If it was really like that they wouldn't turn around just because it lags on the LAUNCH WEEK. Tho it's good that they didn't stay. Wildstar don't need players like these :D
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Why on earth is anyone taking this troll seriously? 
 
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Hi Mr. Feet	
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At first i was annoyed, figured well its day 1/2 theyll figure it out. Well i was wrong. My guild/gaming community 125 members strong were ready to suit up and jump right in and drop some big bucks. Unfortunately for carbine, they blew their shot. You can only make a FIRST impression ONCE. You guys had a very large amount of hype. I know quite a few 1-200 member guilds that were going to make the transition, you guys did have solid gameplay. But its now day 3 and nothing...and i mean nothing you have done has given us any faith in you. You did have a massive chance to save your game and make some serious cash. Youve lost it. I am turning my ship with no plan on returning. Good luck carbine, Good luck. Maybe you guys should ask for forgiveness and even give the people that DO try and stay a HUGE gift, cuz you guys really messed it up big time.
 
On a side note,
MOMMY my pants are tight! CRY MORE
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OPs right though.
 
I mean 3 days of basically unplayability, imagine the thousands of people just thinking "*cupcake*this, i'll go play WoW".
 
You only had one shot, and having TWO servers for a f2p launch was ignorant as hell.
 
 
IF you're thinking of 2 servers as the same as 2 servers in WoW, you're doing it wrong...Megaservers are basically an access point to an entire server farm..They keep adding servers behind the scenes to keep up with demand, so those 2 servers might have 100 servers under them combined into one.
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Wildstar needs every player it can get, why the hell do you think it went F2P you assnugget?
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been trying all day to play. Got in once and played for a little, and before I know about the issue, i tried to do the first dungeon. DC'ed stuck in loop. Now I cant even battle the loop, because they keep dropping my cryopod.
Only day off for many many many days. Was hoping to get some good play time in. 
Maybe they'll fix it within the next hour or two so I can play before bed. 
 
feel a little silly paying for a subsription so soon, just figured the login issues wouldn't be *THIS* bad. 
Not going to refund, but i do hope they compensate us a little.	
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Except it's not even a launch.... It's a *cupcake* transition.
 
Why didn't TERA have this problem? Because they aren't -complete- asshats.
 
Just look at this twitter feed
 
@Wildstarops
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