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Oh man, grim wolves left too?
 
Dude, no way :(
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Let me reiterate; why do we need separate PvP servers for this game?
 
Open OW-PvP zones in the world and get rid of the separate rule-set servers. In this day and age its both unnecessary and silly.
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Luminai server is dead so ...
 
Dominion PvP Circle created on Jabbit !
 
Jabbit PvP is a newly formed Circle for all PvPers regardless of Rating. This is a social circle for all PvPers with one thing in mind : STOMPING EXILES. The Circle can be used to form Premades for PBG's or RBG's groups and forming Arena Teams. /w Masta Killa or CaTa RacT for an invite !  ;)	
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There's simply no incentive to stay on a PvP server that's probably the root of this problem, there's no objectives.. nothing even as simple as capture the towers in said zone so there for no structure and promotes a gank fest. While that's a blast for some it's not for others. It's not fun to get camped (sometimes the gank was okay because there was a decent exchange in blows) and it's certainly not fun to gank, especially low levels if you have a sense of chivalry.
 
So I transferred my Dominion off Pergo(Warhound) and over to Stormtalon(Entity) (yes Stormtalon seems way more populated then Pergo) because of a lack of zone objectives. These days in MMOs I only enjoy instanced PvP anymore because I am given an objective against other prepared players and enjoy that challenge, plus I just can't hype or buy into faction pride anymore.
Ambushing someone who's just trying to quest often leaves a bad taste in my mouth because I felt it plenty of times, that's all there is to it Player Kills don't yield enough reward and I certainly can't brag about it because that'd be harassing the person. 
			
				
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Luminai server is dead so ...
 
Dominion PvP Circle created on Jabbit !
 
Jabbit PvP is a newly formed Circle for all PvPers regardless of Rating. This is a social circle for all PvPers with one thing in mind : STOMPING EXILES. The Circle can be used to form Premades for PBG's or RBG's groups and forming Arena Teams. /w Masta Killa or CaTa RacT for an invite !  ;)
 
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Luminai server is dead so ...
 
Dominion PvP Circle created on Jabbit !
 
Jabbit PvP is a newly formed Circle for all PvPers regardless of Rating. This is a social circle for all PvPers with one thing in mind : STOMPING EXILES. The Circle can be used to form Premades for PBG's or RBG's groups and forming Arena Teams. /w Masta Killa or CaTa RacT for an invite !  ;)
 
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Luminai server is dead so ...
 
Dominion PvP Circle created on Jabbit !
 
Jabbit PvP is a newly formed Circle for all PvPers regardless of Rating. This is a social circle for all PvPers with one thing in mind : STOMPING EXILES. The Circle can be used to form Premades for PBG's or RBG's groups and forming Arena Teams. /w Masta Killa or CaTa RacT for an invite !  ;)
 
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You guys are dumb and will be here in a month begging Carbine to open free PVE->PvP transfer.
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Ftfy.
 
Too bad Carbine is completely silent on this subject and doesn't think there's anything wrong. Trust me, if we thought that Carbine would do something about this situation in the near future we wouldn't have moved, but as it stands they don't seem to care and better safe than sorry.
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			to be honest I want to have an answer from carbine, Is the transfer deadline on Monday or not? Or are you planning to make transfers both ways! Just unfair that the transfer is 1 way, to unfair. 	
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As someone who saw her server die a slow and painful death on Lightspire (yet somehow we managed 25 members for raiding before the mega servers)- I feel your pain. I really do. And all this silence from Carbine has made me lose faith. I love the game and my guild, so will continue to sub. My heart goes out to you guys. It really does.
 
To those that are staying on Luminai, I wish you all the best of luck. Stick together and remember to have fun with one another. Don't let little things like pride affect how you all interact there. *respect*	
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Will transfers be closed first thing on Monday, or will Monday be the last day / chance to transfer? I need to be sure.
 
Of course, like everyone else I'd prefer staying on Luminai - but I have several real life friends there who are still undecided, and if they move I have no choice but to follow.
 
 
Cheers,
Arnold Schwagzenegger	
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to be honest I want to have an answer to carbine, Is the transfer deadline on Monday or not? Or are you planning to make transfers both ways! Just unfair that the transfer is 1 way, to unfair. 
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They already confirmed its Monday.
 
 
Monday 10/20 @11AM PDT is the exact time it will be closed.
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/116297-character-transfer-make-up-your-mind-wildstar/&do=findComment&comment=1209872
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In being silent in the face of a 10+ page thread/clear outcry all over the game/the forums to do something about this, Carbine has confirmed a few things: They are stubborn - they simply think *oh well, leave it to the players to resolve themselves, hopefully it'll all be alright and drop 3 will balance the servers out*. Opening PvE<->PvP transfers would work but we'd like to stick to our silly plan of one way transfers and not react to the situation at all (and continue to believe that PvE->PvP transfers would be *oohh so unfair*). Their management won't go the extra mile beyond office hours. It's the weekend, we'll come back on Monday and review the situation... and probably do nothing, and hope it's fine. Basically the kinda guys who will hope someone else takes out the bins until they're overflowing over the kitchen floor. They think silence is the best option, like all cows in a herd walking towards the meat grinder and their inevitable doom: *If we speak up and start communicating something worse might happen, and it's scary!* People will support you in this decision, maybe some vocal morons will shout against you - there will always be this kind of person, but the majority is overwhelmingly behind PvP<->PvE transfers. Staying silent is childish and stupid on matters like this. On some things such as pending drop-decisions, fine. This, no. Carbine is standing by while their empire crumbles and hoping it'll all be brushed under the planet. It means this company is signalling it's attitude going forward. This is a serious management problem. I will be staying, and staying on Luminai, because I like the game to stay while it's still playable. My enjoyment levels have gone down severely ever since launch, however. Also, I'm the 1%. The 99% are packing their bags if you continue to disappoint, be stubborn, and act childish. Your content dev team is amazing. Your management and decision making is *cupcaking* terrible and it needs people to be fired, and to have a complete overhaul with people employed who are actually competent in knowing when to listen to public opinion and how to deal with maintaining a healthy happy community.
 
TL;DR - I have lost faith in Carbine management team entirely.	
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Couldn't have put it better myself, Walzy. +1
I think me and my mates will be staying as well, braving the storm and hoping for a better and brighter tomorrow.
 
The Battle for Farside screenshots on Reddit gave me hope and revitalized my view on PvP servers - it was so reminiscent of ye olde Southshore (Hillsbrad) owPvP battles in early WoW. Shame something like that won't happen on Luminai any time soon unless something is done about this mass exodus issue.
 
And Carbine, would you please for the love of vodka respond already? Staying silent is the worst thing you could do, even if you don't have an exact answer as to what's gonna happen.
			
				
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In being silent in the face of a 10+ page thread/clear outcry all over the game/the forums to do something about this, Carbine has confirmed a few things: They are stubborn - they simply think *oh well, leave it to the players to resolve themselves, hopefully it'll all be alright and drop 3 will balance the servers out*. Opening PvE<->PvP transfers would work but we'd like to stick to our silly plan of one way transfers and not react to the situation at all (and continue to believe that PvE->PvP transfers would be *oohh so unfair*). Their management won't go the extra mile beyond office hours. It's the weekend, we'll come back on Monday and review the situation... and probably do nothing, and hope it's fine. Basically the kinda guys who will hope someone else takes out the bins until they're overflowing over the kitchen floor. They think silence is the best option, like all cows in a herd walking towards the meat grinder and their inevitable doom: *If we speak up and start communicating something worse might happen, and it's scary!* People will support you in this decision, maybe some vocal morons will shout against you - there will always be this kind of person, but the majority is overwhelmingly behind PvP<->PvE transfers. Staying silent is childish and stupid on matters like this. On some things such as pending drop-decisions, fine. This, no. Carbine is standing by while their empire crumbles and hoping it'll all be brushed under the planet. It means this company is signalling it's attitude going forward. This is a serious management problem. I will be staying, and staying on Luminai, because I like the game to stay while it's still playable. My enjoyment levels have gone down severely ever since launch, however. Also, I'm the 1%. The 99% are packing their bags if you continue to disappoint, be stubborn, and act childish. Your content dev team is amazing. Your management and decision making is *cupcaking* terrible and it needs people to be fired, and to have a complete overhaul with people employed who are actually competent in knowing when to listen to public opinion and how to deal with maintaining a healthy happy community.
 
TL;DR - I have lost faith in Carbine management team entirely.
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I understand how one-way transfers are killing Luminai, but what makes anyone think opening two way transfers will fix anything? There is zero incentive beyond wishful thinking. Participation would be minimal.
 
OWPvP content and solid community are the only two fixes, both of them missing, both long-term to fix.	
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Do you really consider this to be the right place to advertise a circle on Jabbit?
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Staying silent is childish and stupid on matters like this.
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I really consider this to be the right place yes.
 
For me and a lot of people, Jabbit is the only Megaserver. Right now, Luminai is dead.
 
We are already ~40 in circle. It's better to find groups on a populated server than a dead server.
 
If Carbine open realms transfers PvE to PvP so it's ok i will return to Luminai.
 
But I've heard that Carbine was seeing to merge Luminai and Jabbit with pvp rules for world zone, so I prefer to go on a populated server than staying on a server where there is nobody.
 
And a lot of pvp friends and guilds did the same thing.
 
Thanks for your contribution.
 
This screens are were taken yesterday. Today it's worse...
 
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+1 Walzy, even though you are exile scum, couldn't have put it better myself.
 
I and my whole guild am also staying, maybe we can set up some time to beat each other up? Maybe I'll make an exile character and chat to you about it some time (same for Mirta <3)
 
And Byonaa, I just want to thank you guys (and all the other high end raiders EU) for always giving great feedback on the forums, you are right, you have been ignored for months and months on not just the population and realm issues but many others too. Maybe if they listened to feedback from players who actually love and carry on to play the core of this game, instead of the people who whine as they leave, you wouldn't have had to leave us on Luminai. I can only say the best of luck with continuing to clear DS and thanks for your fellow members being kind and considerate back in Hazak times.
 
Our guild has a great plan for Drop 3. We are not so worried about staying anymore, except for the apparent emptiness. We're stubborn, and not so sheepish to jump ship just because "It's easier to pvp on the more populated server". It's not really /shrug. We already have a well established community of pvpers left over here (I think)
 
@ Cataract - I find your post about a circle pretty stupid considering a few hours before you were being all big in Zone chat on Luminai saying how the "pve scrubs" could have their pve server and all the pvpers will be left on Luminai and that you were fine with that. Maybe you should have stayed and worked with the community still there instead of jumping ship, even if who are left aren't that high rated, or amazing as you, we could have created a great, tight knit and active community Dom side. Don't just rub salt into the wounds.
 
Anyway. After a night's sleep, I'm not too worried anymore. Only one person so far has become panic struck and left our guild to move, the rest are staying. As long as my bro's are with me, I don't care about the population of the server.	
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For this long, my opinion was like "No way im moving to Jabbit even if most ppl are".
But now.. Im so confused.
 
Propably we are moving now after all.
Hoping that the devs comes back to their senses and do the transfer available to both ways so ppl can come back some day.
 
This whole thing is just so annoying.
 
Im gonna bring my suggestion up once again, I know it wont do any difference but anyways, here;
 
Make the free transfer available to both ways for 2-4 weeks.
After that close it, but keep the payable transfer open.
 
Or just merge both servers and let ppl decide their character to be either PvP or PvE (one time decision and cant be changed afterwards)
If you choose PvP, your character acts like its on PvP server, and you can fight in ow against other who took this.
If you choose PvE, your character acts like its on PvE server, and you wont be able to get ganked in ow.	
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It's not my fault if everyone leaves the PvP Server. I'm a PvP player (look my rank, look my rating) so i wish i could stay on Luminai but with the current population, it's just not possible.
 
So ok, i'm sorry for my "post recruitment" about the creation of a pvp circle on Jabbit. I understand that some of you didn't like it.
 
I don't understand why Carbine decided to open realms transfers from one side only, but they did...So yeah I know It sucks.
 
Now we must also open our eyes, it's useless to stay on a dead server, the only thing that changes between Jabbit and Luminai is the world pvp. That's all. So I prefer find some news PvPers on a different server than remain in this situation.
 
So I apologize, i hope to see some of you in BG's or RBG's and why not in Warplots after the next drop.
 
Cordially,
Cataract	
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Been keeping up with this topic, and as a former Evindra-ite, while my heart goes out to you, I still haven't seen much of what I would consider rational dialogue in this thread. Many of you folks are getting (understandably) more upset, and some arguments are tipping into exaggeration, false extensions, and assumptions. I'm going to break down and analyze one of the more popular recent responses to this thread, in the hope of showing that this discussion is not continuing in an entirely reasonable or constructive manner.
 
 
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In being silent in the face of a 10+ page thread/clear outcry all over the game/the forums to do something about this
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Wow, EsperXIV, I pretty much disagree withmost of your response.
 
This is a big issue. Of course it's limited to one thread, Chilliia wouldn't have it any other way. And it's visible on non-official forums too. Yes there have been Carbine posts in this thread, but not about this thread.
 
Anyway, without picking your post to bits piece by piece, I'll just do this bit:
 
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You claim that opening the gate from PVE to PVP would work, yet you have zero evidence of this. There has not been a single person in this thread with any coherent and evidenced argument that explains why this would work, now or in the past. Note that I am not stating it would not work— but the reality is that it's not something you can use to fight your battle. You can accuse Carbine of not trying an obvious potential solution, but that is all you can do with this.
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I have to agree. I was on warhound and it felt dead. I switched to Entity and i'm seeing people everywhere its just nuts.
 
Glad I switched.	
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Rakaposhi, I'm trying to deal with evidence and not opinions or emotions. When those two get mixed up the responses are poor. So while you're still entitled to that opinion you've used, your post strikes me as a cop-out.
 
I clearly outlined my responses to multiple key sentences in the quoted post, and I did this for a reason: You can't make big claims that anyone should take seriously if you're not going to take the time to explain, in some detail, why we should care. The fact that you're writing to tell me you disagree with every one of my responses, but have taken the time to only reply to one of them (and I'll get to that reply in a moment) tells me that you're more invested in the idea of being right than actually trying to reveal how it's right. Consequently, the way things usually go, nothing good will come of this thread if it's simply based on ideas.
 
 
 
 
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This is a big issue. Of course it's limited to one thread
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Can you provide any evidence to back up your claim that the entire problem was caused by the one-way transfer? Can you provide evidence that it wasn't caused by a loss of interest in PVP, a loss of interest in the game in general that happened to particularly affect the PVP servers of Europe, or a desire to simply be on a bigger, more stable server (meaning even if the gate was open and population was more balanced, folks on PVP servers might still prefer the 60% side)? Any or all of these, and probably a dozen other reasons, can explain or contribute to this problem.
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You claim that opening the gate from PVE to PVP would work, yet you have zero evidence of this. There has not been a single person in this thread with any coherent and evidenced argument that explains why this would work, now or in the past. Note that I am not stating it would not work— but the reality is that it's not something you can use to fight your battle. You can accuse Carbine of not trying an obvious potential solution, but that is all you can do with this.
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I have been reading the whole topic, Mirta, you've just contributed to the assumption pile (and I even stated I've been following the thread when I started my earlier response). The problem is that this thread is full of valid concerns and a LOT of conjecture, and what you seem to be doing, along with others, is ask me to accept that conjecture as a factual explanation for a big, complex problem.
 
If you read my post and understand the context it was made in (Watzy's post), look for the reason I'm making my arguments. What I agree with:There is a population problem on Luminai. It is potentially caused, in part or in whole, by the one-way transfer policy. There has been no solution offered by a Carbine dev, though acknowledgement of the problem has been made by a rep.
 
 
Everything beyond that is not useful to me, and I can't imagine it's useful to Carbine or any neutral parties reading the topic.	
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You're looking at it wrong when you only take the remaining players on Luminai as the sample and claiming it is not majority because it is a small sample, you ignored all those that left turning it into a small sample.
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Ironically, you have come here to complain about several people quite eloquently stating their concern with carbine's direction with megaservers, went on to pick apart posts that did not need to be picked apart, and basically add phooey to the phooey you were complaining about.
 
Please, stop doing that. It's really not useful to the point we are trying to put forward to carbine, it's almost like you've got a giant spoon and are trying to stir up tension, and I'd politely ask you to let people have their own opinion and just stick with the facts, that the server transfer policy is stupid, that having a  pve > pvp transfer would be wholly useful to the player base on both sides, or a mass merge would fix a lot of things.
 
This is a big problem in terms of remaining players, players who have already left, players who are scared and not sure what to do and brand new players who want to play on a pvp server. All we want, is a response.
 
Your critique was not really needed, as most of what was written in that post was opinion, not fact. And I think for the most part, the people who "liked" the comment are probably a bit smarter than to believe outlandish claims and think of them at fact.
 
I'm sorry if this post came across as snippish or rude, I really do not intend for it to be that way.	
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			will codex and eugenic transfer back to luminai if they open for it?	
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Don't see how opening transfer from pve to pvp will fix anything. If the majority of players are already on the pve server, why would anyone transfer back to the pvp server (especially if it costs money)?
 
They honestly should've never opened transfers between the two rulesets in the first place. That or make it two way from the start. Now that the damage is done, it's not going to fix the population imbalance between the two servers.	
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will codex and eugenic transfer back to luminai if they open for it?
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It's not that I'm ignoring all those who left, it's that within reason I should only deal with the actual people here who are making actual arguments, rather than just eat up the assertion that 200+ people left for X reason because Y person on the internet I don't know says so. :P
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I'd politely ask you to let people have their own opinion
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That is the evidence you are choosing to not take into account. Just because people already took action and moved it does not mean they don't count, they are the majority of the server that left it in its current state. If you're ignoring it because you cannot take Y person word for it, that's on you, and your lack of research on this matter.
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In being silent in the face of a 10+ page thread/clear outcry all over the game/the forums to do something about this, Carbine has confirmed a few things: They are stubborn - they simply think *oh well, leave it to the players to resolve themselves, hopefully it'll all be alright and drop 3 will balance the servers out*. Opening PvE<->PvP transfers would work but we'd like to stick to our silly plan of one way transfers and not react to the situation at all (and continue to believe that PvE->PvP transfers would be *oohh so unfair*). Their management won't go the extra mile beyond office hours. It's the weekend, we'll come back on Monday and review the situation... and probably do nothing, and hope it's fine. Basically the kinda guys who will hope someone else takes out the bins until they're overflowing over the kitchen floor. They think silence is the best option, like all cows in a herd walking towards the meat grinder and their inevitable doom: *If we speak up and start communicating something worse might happen, and it's scary!* People will support you in this decision, maybe some vocal morons will shout against you - there will always be this kind of person, but the majority is overwhelmingly behind PvP<->PvE transfers. Staying silent is childish and stupid on matters like this. On some things such as pending drop-decisions, fine. This, no. Carbine is standing by while their empire crumbles and hoping it'll all be brushed under the planet. It means this company is signalling it's attitude going forward. This is a serious management problem. I will be staying, and staying on Luminai, because I like the game to stay while it's still playable. My enjoyment levels have gone down severely ever since launch, however. Also, I'm the 1%. The 99% are packing their bags if you continue to disappoint, be stubborn, and act childish. Your content dev team is amazing. Your management and decision making is *cupcaking* terrible and it needs people to be fired, and to have a complete overhaul with people employed who are actually competent in knowing when to listen to public opinion and how to deal with maintaining a healthy happy community.
 
TL;DR - I have lost faith in Carbine management team entirely.
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I watched bambi earlier, and it reminded me of this:
 
 
We're not here to argue who is right or wrong, we're not here to be obnoxious.
We're here to ask about whether there will be anything to help the population of Luminai in the near future, or whether the possibility of another merge happening.
 
Please, remove your giant spoon now, it's adding nothing but tension to this thread. There's no need to cross examine everyone's posts, it's just adding to the possibility of this thread getting locked and ignored more than it already is.	
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Rakaposhi, I'm trying to deal with evidence and not opinions or emotions.
 
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I invite you to show me why. Turn your opinion into an argument with specific points and let's make this a better conversation.
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Look at these quotes and tell me you think it's OK, that it's not obnoxious, that everyone here is on the same page just trying to make it work with Carbine:
 
 
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Basically the kinda guys who will hope someone else takes out the bins until they're overflowing over the kitchen floor. They think silence is the best option, like all cows in a herd walking towards the meat grinder and their inevitable doom
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Rakaposhi, here's what usually happens in critical analysis:
 
Person reads text. Person attempts to understand arguments; finds faults, exploits them. Has clearly defined counterpoints that explain why the arguments are faulty.
 
Here's what you're doing, from my perspective:
 
Person reads text. Person doesn't understand arguments or thinks they're faulty, but can't say why. Person summarizes text as a masquerade of reason.
 
If you're unable to articulate a counterpoint to something, particularly when you think that thing is weak, that's probably a 'you' problem.
 
 
edit: And what exactly did Mirta 'sum up'? She quoted one person claiming they represent a guild who left Luminai because of one-way transfers. That hardly addresses the main point I had that she was responding to, let alone the seven or eight specific other points I had in response to Walzy's post.	
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Why are you so hell bent on creating this confusing debate? I'm not even sure what you want to do with it, stop people having opinions? Stop one person having their own views on carbine? It seems in my opinion, that you just want to argue about something and make elaborately masked taunts to already high tempers.
 
And yes, I am genuinely interested in getting responses and well... in the nicest way I can put it as possible, no you are not helping at all and although you are perfectly entitled to your opinion and I'd be more than welcome to discuss it with you via PM or whatever, I'd prefer if you didn't keep trying to stir the pot in this thread. I can understand and sympathise with you not wanting to "demonize" the company (which I doubt is what he was trying to do, rather get his disgruntled thoughts down in an open place) but is this really the time and place to do this?
 
The tone of the thread is mostly positive, people are trying to work together to make what is left of luminai a better place, and people are still posting their opinions backing up the main idea of the OP.
You are just coming in to add wood to the fire, so to speak.
 
My guild members have read the thread and I am speaking on their behalf. What else can they say except echo what I am saying?	
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I think you've misunderstood the point I was making, which was this: After the megaservers (which has nothing to do with Hazak or any other server), the population could have resulted in a 60/40 split, instead of the 80/20 that was randomly thrown out earlier.
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Why are you so hell bent on creating this confusing debate? I'm not even sure what you want to do with it, stop people having opinions? Stop one person having their own views on carbine? It seems in my opinion, that you just want to argue about something and make elaborately masked taunts to already high tempers.
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Why are you so hell bent on creating this confusing debate? I'm not even sure what you want to do with it, stop people having opinions? Stop one person having their own views on carbine? It seems in my opinion, that you just want to argue about something and make elaborately masked taunts to already high tempers.
 
And yes, I am genuinely interested in getting responses and well... in the nicest way I can put it as possible, no you are not helping at all and although you are perfectly entitled to your opinion and I'd be more than welcome to discuss it with you via PM or whatever, I'd prefer if you didn't keep trying to stir the pot in this thread. I can understand and sympathise with you not wanting to "demonize" the company (which I doubt is what he was trying to do, rather get his disgruntled thoughts down in an open place) but is this really the time and place to do this?
 
The tone of the thread is mostly positive, people are trying to work together to make what is left of luminai a better place, and people are still posting their opinions backing up the main idea of the OP.
You are just coming in to add wood to the fire, so to speak.
 
My guild members have read the thread and I am speaking on their behalf. What else can they say except echo what I am saying?
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Hazak is related to the topic, don't disregard it because you feel like it. The problem started 4 months ago (as soon as the game went live), not with megaservers only. It's a shame people only start to realize it and start complaining when shit hit the fan, including WalzY, but you can find this topic brought up from time to time being ignored by Carbine... They've seen it before, they've heard it, they choose to stick with their policy, hence why we call them stubborn.
 
Now why is Hazak related? because it started with Eugenic moving for recruitment purposes due to this policy despite Hazak being more populated than Ascendancy (fact), making Hazak relevant to the topic. Now at the end of Hazak 1 day before Megaserver Codex decided to do the same (fact), followed by Modified for the same reason (fact), followed by OSS for the same reason (fact) followed by IN + PDX + LL for the same reason (fact). And so on and so on.. that definitely resulted to Jabbit > Luminai (fact)... How many names do we need to mention for you to understand its not opinions? its happening, all you need to do is watch and you'll see it, look at reddit, look at this forum.
 
Anyway, we have derailed this thread enough, if you are still not convinced i have no reason to try and convince you any more since our target is Carbine not you.
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Well it would be beneficial if more folks spoke for themselves instead of having a lorax do it for them, also what would also be helpful is if the folks/guilds that moved to jabbit were to actually say "hey we'd go back if given the chance"
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Sigh, it seems you are actually pretty inflexible yourself. 
 
I'm just trying to keep this as positive and driven as possible, without all of this... waffle getting caught up within the thread. I don't think you comprehended what I was trying to say to you very well, either that or you skim read most posts and miss the point. I am being perfectly polite to you, and you are provoking negative responses out of people. I would just like you to stop and continue with the main basis of the thread which is "what can we do about Luminai".
 
Also, I would love to have old hazak back right now, the community is great. Losing all the players I knew and enjoyed to play with sucks, but I wish them all the best over there.
 
I know out of the 5 members who panicked and left for Jabbit from my guild, if they are given the option of even a PAID transfer back to Luminai, they will. And that, is a fact.
 
Not sure what else to say without being misinterpreted :/	
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			So what server will be better for the fresh 50's, who are still leveling by now?	
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Sigh, it seems you are actually pretty inflexible yourself. 
 
I'm just trying to keep this as positive and driven as possible, without all of this... waffle getting caught up within the thread. I don't think you comprehended what I was trying to say to you very well, either that or you skim read most posts and miss the point. I am being perfectly polite to you, and you are provoking negative responses out of people. I would just like you to stop and continue with the main basis of the thread which is "what can we do about Luminai".
 
Also, I would love to have old hazak back right now, the community is great. Losing all the players I knew and enjoyed to play with sucks, but I wish them all the best over there.
 
I know out of the 5 members who panicked and left for Jabbit from my guild, if they are given the option of even a PAID transfer back to Luminai, they will. And that, is a fact.
 
Not sure what else to say without being misinterpreted :/
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Dominion still have a 5/6 guild here in GA.
 
All the rest are pvpers :)	
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"Equilibrium" moved to Jabbit and merged with another guild from Luminai  :)
As far as I know... There are 2-3 raiding guilds left on Luminai, and they might transfer tomorrow as well!
 
 
We are looking for few more members to fill our "Datascape" roster and off we go!
 
 
Good luck to everyone who stays on Luminai! :(	
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			No one's left on Luminai.I'm seriously thinking about quitting if the state of the game is forcing me to transfer to a PvE server in order to actually meet someone.I freaking hate PvE servers. And I freaking hate to say that Wildstar is dying and may not reborn, whatever drop 3 and resets do.I can't see the point anymore of persisting in a game that shows obvious signs of failure. :(	
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"Equilibrium" moved to Jabbit and merged with another guild from Luminai  :)
As far as I know... There are 2-3 raiding guilds left on Luminai, and they might transfer tomorrow as well!
 
 
We are looking for few more members to fill our "Datascape" roster and off we go!
 
 
Good luck to everyone who stays on Luminai! :(
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Well, I posted something as a reply and realized it would have been better to start a new thread out of it. 
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/116570-a-question-to-the-devs-regarding-the-jabbit-luminai-fiasco/	
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Fix to the 'fiasco' :Everyone hop over to jabbit.All players who want to pvp, flag up for Pvp.result : The largest most active Wildstar Server online in the world, offering those with a mind for pvp the ability to take on Open world PVP and those who are not interested to not be affected thanks to the pvp flag being off by default.
 
Pvp is growing strong on Jabbit, Yesterday I took down 8 dommies during my CB/NW dailies and it was a ton of fun. I am one of the few who was unfortunate to have rolled a pve server and could not swap to PVP without having to remake an alt ( which is out of the question for me ). I am always flagged and there are many more just like me who cannot transfer to Luminai and have spent too much time on jabbit to consider a move.So instead, help us fix this issue and hop over to jabbit. Flag up, and let the games begin! ;)	
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Yep, and after a few hours on Jabbit, it was pretty obvious that it was the right decision to make. Recruitment on Jabbit was 99% dead, and choosing to stay on it just for world PvP would have been a pretty bad call, especially for a guild that´s mainly focused on raiding.
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Whoops, meant to say recruitment on Luminai.
 
I agree that guilds have to be open to idea of merging for the most part to get into Datascape. We merged together with VOTH/Project Legacy that also came from Luminai and looking forward to raiding Datascape soon!	
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So instead, help us fix this issue and hop over to jabbit. Flag up, and let the games begin! ;)
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			:) It's good that Luminai still has that business going for it. I do personally wish we had just the one server though, as a flick of a button is all it takes to pvp openworld and different servers hold back a game so much! The idea of having one massive world with everyone sprawling in it is quite appealing to me and I am very content with Jabbit's state.  Carbine does need to step in and do something about Luminai but as I mentioned earlier - those that are in jabbit, have no real reason to want to go to Luminai at this point as there is quite a lot of openworld pvp going around if you look for it ! If you don't use an addon like perspective yet, get it ! it makes it much easier to see flagged players ;)	
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 :) It's good that Luminai still has that business going for it. I do personally wish we had just the one server though, as a flick of a button is all it takes to pvp openworld and different servers hold back a game so much! The idea of having one massive world with everyone sprawling in it is quite appealing to me and I am very content with Jabbit's state.  Carbine does need to step in and do something about Luminai but as I mentioned earlier - those that are in jabbit, have no real reason to want to go to Luminai at this point as there is quite a lot of openworld pvp going around if you look for it ! If you don't use an addon like perspective yet, get it ! it makes it much easier to see flagged players ;)
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 Cant comment about the Domminion, i only eat potatoes, dont play with them!
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For whatever reason, most people just aren't interested in PvPing in Wildstar.
 
My personal reasons include the fact that I hate any PvP that involves specialized PvP stats, or esport leaderboard type instanced PVP.  Any PVP that isn't open world with persistent conquerable assets is entirely pointless to me.  Or at least a continent that is entirely PvP-centric like GW2.
 
Warplots just aren't popping, and although they sound like fun, I probably still wouldn't participate because PvP gear exists.	
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For whatever reason, most people just aren't interested in PvPing in Wildstar.
 
My personal reasons include the fact that I hate any PvP that involves specialized PvP stats, or esport leaderboard type instanced PVP.  Any PVP that isn't open world with persistent conquerable assets is entirely pointless to me.
 
Warplots just aren't popping, and although they sound like fun, I probably still wouldn't participate because PvP gear exists.
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If they created a new continent that was focused entirely on persistent siege warfare PvP, where you earned conflict points for capturing and holding objectives and then restricted existing PvP gear to instanced arenas and battlegrounds, I would totally play that.
 
Conflict points would let you buy gear in the same way Elder points do.  You would unlock specific gear by conquering specific objectives like EP gear needs certain bosses killed.
 
You shouldn't have to focus entirely on one aspect of the game to be competitive in another if you only want to dabble in it casually (I'm talking about PvP stats).	
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If they created a new continent that was focused entirely on persistent siege warfare PvP, where you earned conflict points for capturing and holding objectives and then restricted existing PvP gear to instanced arenas and battlegrounds, I would totally play that.
 
Conflict points would let you buy gear in the same way Elder points do.  You would unlock specific gear by conquering specific objectives like EP gear needs certain bosses killed.
 
You shouldn't have to focus entirely on one aspect of the game to be competitive in another if you only want to dabble in it casually (I'm talking about PvP stats).
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You look at things with a PvErs mind.
That's PvE-ish suggestions to PvP.
 
PvP needs to be competitive in order to interest PvPers.
 
I don't care about sieges and conquest, that's a cool bonus to do with some guildmates and stuff but it's definitely not what us PvPers are truely looking for. We're looking for an healthy pool of players to do arenas with, to do BGs with, to climb that ladder and overcome ourselves in order to get better.
 
PvP stats on PvP items are completely undispensable since I don't wanna do any PvE content in order to be competitive in PvP. Same as I don't want any PvErs to be forced into PvP in order to be prepared for raids more easily.
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Can still obtain similar gear as in PvE from PvP vendor.
Just has same stats as PvE gear, except have to PvP for it.
 
Keeps PvE scrubs out of it cause no longer need super PvP weapon to do best damage.
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You shouldn't be able to obtain same weapons in PvP and in PvE, period.
 
I even wonder why they made AP on that PvP weapon that strong as it killed PvP because it was easier to cheat the system than to get your weapons legit.
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That's the whole point Chua trying to make.........
Get rid of PvP stats and make equivalent gear obtainable through Pve or PvP.
Then all can chose what to do, and all are equal.
 
Or have PvP gear focus more on Tech/Grit/Health/Deflect instead of Damage.
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You might have not gotten my point if you think that we're making the same point.
I'm definitely against having the same gears as any PvE boy.
 
Because PvE is about gear progression when PvP isn't. Wildstar already made the mistake of having PvP gears behind rated gates.
 
They should have made PvP gears so that they are bad in a PvE environment but are good in a PvP environment.
Which means less PvE stats and more PvP stats. That's how it should work, in order to make those PvP gears competitive without making raid gears better in PvP.
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Go to your servers and your guilds and ask members to come here and post about their experience: all they really need to say is "I agree with the OP, Carbine please respond". If you can muster up thirty or forty of these, it'll mean a hell of a lot more than one person aggressively stating their opinion about the mismanagement of this game.
 
If those people are not interested in taking the five minutes to come here and do that, Carbine will assume that those people do not care enough. And it would not be a farfetched assumption
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Except does not work....not single game has gotten that right.
Is easier to get rid of PvP stats and let Humans use Skill and Tactics to win PvP fight, not blast at each other and have highest stat decide winner.
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Highest stats ?
How could there be higher stats if there are no gear gap ?
If there are no difference in terms of stats between T0 and T2 ?
 
You visibly don't understand how the system works. You can't give access to raid gears in PvP, or raids will become pointless, and you can't supress PvP stats or raiders will have a HUGE advantage over unranked PvP players.
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			I am so confused with what is going on. Why is it that Jabbit is killing Luminai while Warhound just had that huge Farside Event. Shouldn't Warhound be dying as quickly as Luminai? I am trying to make sense of it all.	
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I am so confused with what is going on. Why is it that Jabbit is killing Luminai while Warhound just had that huge Farside Event. Shouldn't Warhound be dying as quickly as Luminai? I am trying to make sense of it all.
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Well it would be beneficial if more folks spoke for themselves instead of having a lorax do it for them, also what would also be helpful is if the folks/guilds that moved to jabbit were to actually say "hey we'd go back if given the chance"
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US and EU have different mentalities to many things.
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I am so confused with what is going on. Why is it that Jabbit is killing Luminai while Warhound just had that huge Farside Event. Shouldn't Warhound be dying as quickly as Luminai? I am trying to make sense of it all.
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You're not getting it....you're only arguing from your side...
If this system is implemented the way I describe it, raiders have the advantage over unranked PvP'ers.......Just like ranked PvP'ers will have the advantage over PvE'ers not raiding.
The effect goes both ways when gear is equalized and independent of it's usage for PvP and PvE.
And THAT will exactly get rid of all the issues that people and you constantly bring up.
 
And yes this is a fair system. The Raider and Ranked PVP'er both worked for the top gear, just taking different paths.
So Yes they deserve an advantage over those not completing the path.
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			they need to merge servers into one or both servers need to be pvp+pve. N key is just pvp. why do they split servers because of pvp? it should be just another server not pve server or pvp server. pvp server is pointless. it kills the game literally. 	
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they need to merge servers into one or both servers need to be pvp+pve. N key is just pvp. why do they split servers because of pvp? it should be just another server not pve server or pvp server. pvp server is pointless. it kills the game literally. 
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they need to merge servers into one or both servers need to be pvp+pve. N key is just pvp. why do they split servers because of pvp? it should be just another server not pve server or pvp server. pvp server is pointless. it kills the game literally. 
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PvE servers are pointless. They don't even exist in Korea. PvE servers have been created for people too scared of getting ganked.They should not have existed, never ever.
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PvE servers are pointless. They don't even exist in Korea. PvE servers have been created for people too scared of getting ganked.They should not have existed, never ever.
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They need to do like other mmorpg games like icarus online, archeage, blade and soul etc. you can see server list. all support pvp and pve.
This game is huge. they don't need to do pvp server or pve server. or they must add system i can transfer my character anytime. 
Or it must be 2 worlds system with 2 servers. you choose a server and then you choose one between pvp world or pve world.
I think world system is a good idea.
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PvE servers are pointless. They don't even exist in Korea. PvE servers have been created for people too scared of getting ganked.They should not have existed, never ever.
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			Double post.	
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You look at things with a PvErs mind.
That's PvE-ish suggestions to PvP.
 
PvP needs to be competitive in order to interest PvPers.
 
I don't care about sieges and conquest, that's a cool bonus to do with some guildmates and stuff but it's definitely not what us PvPers are truely looking for. We're looking for an healthy pool of players to do arenas with, to do BGs with, to climb that ladder and overcome ourselves in order to get better.
 
PvP stats on PvP items are completely undispensable since I don't wanna do any PvE content in order to be competitive in PvP. Same as I don't want any PvErs to be forced into PvP in order to be prepared for raids more easily.
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Then you're looking for an MMO, not even Planetside 2 or Firefall.  You're clearly looking for a MOBA.  MMO players are looking for a persistent world where their conquests matter in the context of the game world, not a leaderboard.  Why have any open world zones at all if all your care about is leaderboard PVP?  The next logical step is then to close PVP servers because, by your own admission, open world PVP is pointless so everyone can be on a PVE server and queue for battlegrounds all day. 
 
Battlegrounds that have absolutely no relevance to anything going on in the story, or in the game world.
 
You wonder why PVP in this game is dying? There's your answer.
 
The most successful PVP MMOs to this day have been Dark Age of Camelot, EVE, and Lineage.  They had/have none of the features you're looking for.
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			I can confirm The Unknowns decision to stay. Want to improve the community? Stay as well.	
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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Or at least a wrong idea.
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The most successful PVP MMOs to this day have been Dark Age of Camelot, EVE, and Lineage.  They had/have none of the features you're looking for.
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Greetings,First of all apologies for the late reply.I wanted to say that the Live Team has been actively monitoring Megaservers population on both datacenters and as it currently stands they determined that the population is currently healthy on NA and EU PvP Megaservers. No stance change regarding PvE > PvP transfers.I understand that my reply won't be liked, but we still felt that it was better to post something and reiterate where we at now rather than not saying anything.
 
Thanks again for all the feedback we received so far.	
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20 minutes and still not decided if I am jumping or not. The fact a response has been left so late does not help, though it is appreciated that one was made at all.
 
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I wanted to say that the Live Team has been actively monitoring Megaservers population on both datacenters and as it currently stands they determined that the population is currently healthy on NA and EU PvP Megaservers.
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I can confirm The Unknowns decision to stay. Want to improve the community? Stay as well.
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20 minutes and still not decided if I am jumping or not. The fact a response has been left so late does not help, though it is appreciated that one was made at all.
 
 
What is healthy though? Is healthy the same as enough people to make the server fun to be on?
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Simple choice; if you want a PvP ruleset; stay. If you don't; move. Making a decision based on population now would be foolish.
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Greetings,
 
First of all apologies for the late reply.
 
I wanted to say that the Live Team has been actively monitoring Megaservers population on both datacenters and as it currently stands they determined that the population is currently healthy on NA and EU PvP Megaservers. No stance change regarding PvE > PvP transfers.
 
I understand that my reply won't be liked, but we still felt that it was better to post something and reiterate where we at now rather than not saying anything.
 
Thanks again for all the feedback we received so far.
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I hope, as the only people who have any authority over numbers or facts concerning the game, you won't be hard-flamed for this.
 
I am curious though— can you give a reason why the one-way transfers exist? Is it exclusively about the 'unfairness' of people leveling PVE and then switching to PVP?
 
I'm sorry if you've explained this before.
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I think it was stated in the last nexus report video-how they had people who were intending to transfer with their guilds stuck on a server. Mostly because Carbine was a bit sudden with their deadline/ending announcement and actual cut off of free transferring. Or something like that.
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Open-world PVP in a Themepark MMO is just a joke anyway.
 
It's just a damn gankfest with people fully arena geared, versus people who is not. It's not even fun.	
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I meant, why only one way? I get the opening of transfers, but one of the big complaints in this thread was making them only from PVE to PVP. Without making any conclusions, I'm also wondering why they didn't just open traffic in both directions.
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Greetings,
 
First of all apologies for the late reply.
 
I wanted to say that the Live Team has been actively monitoring Megaservers population on both datacenters and as it currently stands they determined that the population is currently healthy on NA and EU PvP Megaservers. No stance change regarding PvE > PvP transfers.
 
I understand that my reply won't be liked, but we still felt that it was better to post something and reiterate where we at now rather than not saying anything.
 
Thanks again for all the feedback we received so far.
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Greetings,
 
First of all apologies for the late reply.
 
I wanted to say that the Live Team has been actively monitoring Megaservers population on both datacenters and as it currently stands they determined that the population is currently healthy on NA and EU PvP Megaservers. No stance change regarding PvE > PvP transfers.
 
I understand that my reply won't be liked, but we still felt that it was better to post something and reiterate where we at now rather than not saying anything.
 
Thanks again for all the feedback we received so far.
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Greetings,
 
First of all apologies for the late reply.
 
I wanted to say that the Live Team has been actively monitoring Megaservers population on both datacenters and as it currently stands they determined that the population is currently healthy on NA and EU PvP Megaservers. No stance change regarding PvE > PvP transfers.
 
I understand that my reply won't be liked, but we still felt that it was better to post something and reiterate where we at now rather than not saying anything.
 
Thanks again for all the feedback we received so far.
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Greetings,
 
First of all apologies for the late reply.
 
I wanted to say that the Live Team has been actively monitoring Megaservers population on both datacenters and as it currently stands they determined that the population is currently healthy on NA and EU PvP Megaservers. No stance change regarding PvE > PvP transfers.
 
I understand that my reply won't be liked, but we still felt that it was better to post something and reiterate where we at now rather than not saying anything.
 
Thanks again for all the feedback we received so far.
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Well at least we got our reply?
 
I mean... better than them saying nothing.
 
Even though they can watch numbers, like Hilde said, playing on the servers is completely different.
 
Guess I'll have to let my friends know that they still can't bring their mains across here yet. :c	
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Well at least we got our reply?
 
I mean... better than them saying nothing.
 
Even though they can watch numbers, like Hilde said, playing on the servers is completely different.
 
Guess I'll have to let my friends know that they still can't bring their mains across here yet. :c
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The reasoning seems pretty abitary if you look at this post from Cougar (who from previous posts in this thread is shown to be the one that makes the call on such things):
 
Source: https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/65367-wild-star-should-allow-for-transfers-between-pvp-and-pve/?p=672058
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			Hildegain, couldnt have said it better myself	
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Yep, same here. My peeps aren't as vocal as I am when it comes to the forums, in fact a few actively avoid it because it's full of nonsense, but I think it's important I grab them to give some feedback in this thread.
 
But at least we can build from what we have now?
 
I will be making an exile alt later to see what the difference in population is like compared to dommie, just to satisfy my curiosity.
 
 
edit: Oh and also because I can make exiles on the same server. ALL THE MORDESH  :D	
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			I just cant handle the fact that they are saying its "fine". Im glad that after all this time they have finally said they are doing nothing. But if the server population on luminai is "fine" and pretty much everyone still on luminai is saying it isnt then you have to do something. You have this attunement process that requires you to do World bosses, how the hell can anyone do it when the is so few people. I cant fathom the thinking in some of these decisions.	
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Greetings,
 
First of all apologies for the late reply.
 
I wanted to say that the Live Team has been actively monitoring Megaservers population on both datacenters and as it currently stands they determined that the population is currently healthy on NA and EU PvP Megaservers. No stance change regarding PvE > PvP transfers.
 
I understand that my reply won't be liked, but we still felt that it was better to post something and reiterate where we at now rather than not saying anything.
 
Thanks again for all the feedback we received so far.
 
 
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Are you saying the population levels PvE:PvP are fine because you are looking at every character that exists on the server?
With megaservers, you moved a lot of inactive accounts, that shouldn't be counted.  I hope you are looking at the number of players that have logged in since megaservers and checking if they are still on the same server at this time.	
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Then you're NOT looking for an MMO, not even Planetside 2 or Firefall.  You're clearly looking for a MOBA.  MMO players are looking for a persistent world where their conquests matter in the context of the game world, not a leaderboard.  Why have any open world zones at all if all your care about is leaderboard PVP?  The next logical step is then to close PVP servers because, by your own admission, open world PVP is pointless so everyone can be on a PVE server and queue for battlegrounds all day. 
 
Battlegrounds that have absolutely no relevance to anything going on in the story, or in the game world.
 
You wonder why PVP in this game is dying? There's your answer.
 
The most successful PVP MMOs to this day have been Dark Age of Camelot, EVE, and Lineage.  They had/have none of the features you're looking for.
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Primetime Luminai for anyone interested (btw most of the people in city are my guildies...)
 
 
 
 
So there we have it.	
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Greetings,
 
First of all apologies for the late reply.
 
I wanted to say that the Live Team has been actively monitoring Megaservers population on both datacenters and as it currently stands they determined that the population is currently healthy on NA and EU PvP Megaservers. No stance change regarding PvE > PvP transfers.
 
I understand that my reply won't be liked, but we still felt that it was better to post something and reiterate where we at now rather than not saying anything.
 
Thanks again for all the feedback we received so far.
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Greetings,
 
First of all apologies for the late reply.
 
I wanted to say that the Live Team has been actively monitoring Megaservers population on both datacenters and as it currently stands they determined that the population is currently healthy on NA and EU PvP Megaservers. No stance change regarding PvE > PvP transfers.
 
I understand that my reply won't be liked, but we still felt that it was better to post something and reiterate where we at now rather than not saying anything.
 
Thanks again for all the feedback we received so far.
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I'm pretty sure just as we're all sitting here thinking "I can't *&^%ing believe it, they let the PvP server die", they are sat in their offices thinking "I can't *&^%ing believe it, the community killed its own PvP server".
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errr I think the devs need to actually look at the server... not just some numbers they have in a damned spreadsheet.
 
This is your job for the week Carbine.  Login in to the server every day and try to play.  Then re-eval your obviously ignorant post here.  (ignorant meaning uninformed)	
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			So, if it's all fine, please publish the real server population stats, like amount of people playing daily on pvp and pve server for comparison.	
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