101094-expert-riding-skill-made-me-sad

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Ok,
 
Level up? F'yeah cupcake, you just got another level of badassery! Bazzamm graphics!
 
Buy C.R.E.D.D? F'yeah cupcake, you just got another 30 days of dommie smashin, mob killin no holds bar, no bars held of awesome! and everyone around you knows it.
 
Purple drop? Baduddleduddleduddle!
 
80 plat and Expert Riding skill? here, you get a nice shiny light for 2 seconds, the vendor lists it for 76p but charges you 80p and you feel so marginally faster than that chump with his +15% you should go down another glass of Metamucil to keep you regular and read the obituaries.
 
Simply put, it's just so absolutely underwhelming that if being underwhelmed could be badass, it would be king of the hill.
 
For 80p, I should be shooting sparks out my sides, there should be a flashing emergency siren above my head and my hoverboard should spit clouds of dust at anyone behind it when I'm moving and every person on the whole server should damn well know I just wasted a years worth of subscription C.R.E.D.D (if I hadn't in fact actually just farmed it and used the AH appropriately).
 
I have half a mind to save up for the Strain hoverboard just to see if I'm rewarded with a datachron of War and Peace I'm forced to read before I can equip the mount..	
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Agreeing with the main point of this thread: For the cost, it really does feel underwhelming when you train riding up. Each tier isn't that different than the one before it. :/ 
 
I don't mind the 80p pricetag, but for that price, I should be ZIPPING around. Such a slight increase is just painful for that much money, in my opinion. :(	
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			As something absolutely optional, and entirely unnecessary for regular play, it doesn't bother me one bit.	
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As something absolutely optional, and entirely unnecessary for regular play, it doesn't bother me one bit.
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			80p!?!?! err wow. I may be putting this one on hold.	
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You could argue that anything is "unnecessary for regular play".  What's your point?
 
It gives an in-game benefit, and for the cost, that benefit is extremely underwhelming.
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Good thing you're not required to have it.
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			the boombox mount goes just as fast but is a ground mount, imma stick with that instead of paying 80plat	
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Same thing: you can argue that anything is "not required to have".  What's your point?
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			I just think it's a misnomer for it to be labeled 35% increase when technically it's a 20% increase over the previous tier. 	
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Same thing: you can argue that anything is "not required to have".  What's your point?
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It is a QoL upgrade. It doesn't make you a better raider or PvPer. 
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* Mostly anything. Madda can think of a few required things for Wildstar. Like a keyboard and a mouse!
 
But alas, OP has buyer's remorse. As a person that has the riding skill, Madda can confirm that it won't make you go as fast as a 100% mount in WoW, as many people including the OP (which hopefully isn't you) think it does.  Madda thinks having a mount with the basic riding skill counts as "required", but many people will have different opinions.
 
Keep in mind that just because an upgrade is available doesn't mean it's required for you to get it. Madda never upgraded to epic flying in WoW until Mists because of the price alone.
 
So as the lovely Lanky said;
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That makes no sense. Just because something is QoL, doesn't mean it cannot be made worth the money.
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			I paid for expert riding skill in my younger days. Looking back it wasn't really worth it. The jaded cynic in me now recognizes there's always a cost anyway, even if not in the form of a single transaction.	
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Noone said it wasn't a QoL upgrade.
 
Noone said it should make you a better raider or PvPer.
 
 
Stop derailing the thread please.
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That makes no sense. Just because something is QoL, doesn't mean it cannot be made worth the money.
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You missed the point here.
 
I didn't say that it was required to get the Expert Riding Skill.  Neither did the OP.
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You were the one asking "what's your point".
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I have half a mind to save up for the Strain hoverboard just to see if I'm rewarded with a datachron of War and Peace I'm forced to read before I can equip the mount..
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			Just because it's a completely optional luxury item doesn't mean it shouldn't provide value commensurate with its cost.	
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And your reply to my post has nothing to do with my post in the first place. I never said that it can't be "made worth the money". I was replying directly to one thing.
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For 80p -- I just wasted a years worth of subscription C.R.E.D.D
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It sounds like you also agree that whether or not it's required is irrelevant to the OP.  As I said, let's try and keep things on topic here.
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You could argue that anything is "unnecessary for regular play".  What's your point?
 
It gives an in-game benefit, and for the cost, that benefit is extremely underwhelming.
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Just because it's a completely optional luxury item doesn't mean it shouldn't provide value commensurate with its cost.
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But it is on relevant. People are explaining why the skill isn't 100% required to progress with the game as well agreeing that it was a horrible price tag, and you seem to be keeping your stance of ignoring the point while also looking oddly familiar to a certain somebody.
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lol I'm not ignoring it.  I'm specifically saying that it has nothing to do with the OP.  Which it doesn't.
 
It doesn't matter if the skill is 100% required to progress or not.  OP has nothing to do with that.  But it sounds like you agree with the OP that the price doesn't measure up the benefit and something should be done.
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OP is not about "Expert Riding skill is required, and therefore should be good."
 
OP is about "Expert Riding skill costs 80p, but doesn't give a benefit worth paying that much for."
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lol I'm not ignoring it.  I'm specifically saying that it has nothing to do with the OP.  Which it doesn't.
 
It doesn't matter if the skill is 100% required to progress or not.  OP has nothing to do with that.  But it sounds like you agree with the OP that the price doesn't measure up the benefit and something should be done.
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80p for a 35% boost is a bargin!
 
It is what I am saving up towards.
 
Most people say they don't notice the 15% speed boost for advanced riding skill - but I noticed it immediately after I bought it.
 
20% above that is great.	
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Not exactly. Madda and a few other people's point still remain. OP talks about a riding skill increase not worth the money. A point is made that the upgrade is optional. People get upset and reply saying that it's irrelevant (somehow).
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I am also struggling to understand these non constructive anti posts regarding a fair topic.
 
If i pay X amount of dollars i do to a certain extent expect X amount of worth to come from it.
 
If i pay For a range rover i expect comfort SUV. If i pay for a Prious i expect good gas mileage. If i pay for a month sub of this game i expect this game for 30 days.
 
Why is it so difficult to understand the value of things. 80 plat is a lot to the mass majority of players. It is something difficult to obtain and people who do obtain it should have a benefit gained that reflects the value.
 
If you PVE and are the top guild in the server you will most likely have the best gear. Everyone will wooo and haaa at you and you will clear most content while eating and watching tv simultaneously. Same thing for 1800+ gear in pvp... It has certain value that makes it worth more and makes your character better and progress better.
 
Why should a Item or QoL Upgrade that is worth as much or more as other things in time or in gold. Not have a valid worth behind its time and gold?
 
I would expect everyone here who works to go to work and expect to get a quality amount of pay for the quality amount of time and work done. What is the deal.
 
Reply with constructive Criticism/agree/disagree/etc but keep it constructive and on point please. 	
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If you honestly can't see how this:
and this:
are two separate, unrelated things, then please stop posting in this thread  :(
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are two separate, unrelated things, then please stop posting in this thread  :(
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			Strain board is 100plat	
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Strain board is 100plat
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If you honestly can't see how this:
 
 
and this:
 
 
 
are two separate, unrelated things, then please stop posting in this thread  :(
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The two is not completely unrelated.
 
Person 1:   $100,000 for an Audi R8 is not worth it.
 
Person 2:  Audi R8 is priced for a luxury car.
 
Then the 2 people can go back and forth repeat their individual lines indefinitely.
 
Because person 1 doesn't realize that it is a luxury and not meant to be "cost effective".  And sees what person 2 says as completely off topic.
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The two is not completely unrelated.
 
Person 1:   $100,000 for an Audi R8 is not worth it.
 
Person 2:  Audi R8 is priced for a luxury car.
 
Then the 2 people can go back and forth repeat their individual lines indefinitely.
 
Because person 1 doesn't realize that it is a luxury and not meant to be "cost effective".   Thus sees what person 2 says as completely off topic.
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In order for this analogy to work, you have to define what "luxury" means in Wildstar, and if in fact the Expert Riding Skill is a "luxury" purchase.
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Having something that looks better and goes a bit faster.
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Looks better, yes.
 
Goes a bit faster, no, because that's an in-game benefit.
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Well, I was comparing to the Audi R8 which also goes a bit faster.
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Why does it matter if it's luxury?
 
OP, 80p apparently doesn't mean much in this game... or maybe prices at NPC shops don't mean anything.
 
Just because it's expensive, doesn't mean it's amazing.  
Thank you for wasting your money, now I don't have to waste mine.
 
80p... outrage.	
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Why does it matter if it's luxury?
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Will be funny to check back in a few months and the only people playing this game are the ones who refer to themselves in the third person or pretend to be a Chua.
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facepalm
 
I said define what "luxury" means in Wildstar.  It says it right there in the post you quoted.
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In order for this analogy to work, you have to define what "luxury" means in Wildstar, and if in fact the Expert Riding Skill is a "luxury" purchase.
 
If your definition of "luxury" is "not required to proceed", then almost every purchase in the game falls under that, so... you're essentially saying that for most items in the game, it doesn't matter if the price doesn't reflect the in-game benefit.
 
edit: my (and most people's) definition of luxury is "provides no in-game benefit".  Which means costumes and dyes are luxury.  And it also means that the strain board is luxury, because it doesn't do anything different that any of the cheaper hover-boards do, it just looks different.  But it also means that the Expert Riding Skill is NOT luxury.
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In relation to the analogy. /facepalm right back at you.
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Luxury is things that are exorbitantly priced that you really don't need to progress.
 
You don't need an Audi R8 to get to work.  A 12k Hyundai is just as good - though not nearly as fast.
 
Is that 50p crafted weapon with 20 more AP on the AH a luxury?  absolutely, because 20 Ap won't make or break anything.
 
Is that 80p upgrade that makes your mount another 20% faster a luxury? absolutely, because 20% won't make or break anything.
 
Is eating that 20 silver food a luxury?  absolutely, because the 6 grit and 120 shield bonus won't make or break anything.
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OK then, how about we make:
vendor items (including medishots/gear/food/etc.)
rep vendor AMPs
housing plugs and housing plug repairs
all mounts
all cost 250p?  I assume you would be ok with this since these are things that you "really don't need to progress".
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Like I said, the value for benefit ratio on the upgrade is incredibly poor.  This game has over the top stuff for a lot of things, leveling, buying credd, rare drops, etc.., it also has items which are exactly what they say they are, such as the Bag of Infinite Frustration.  Does exactly what it says it does, costs 5p. 
 
WIldstar set the standard, not I, but having set that standard, it isn't unreasonable for me to expect them to meet it, especially with such a costly item. 
 
It isn't unreasonable to expect to pay 76p, when the Vendor says it's 76p, instead of being charged 80p.	
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Why not?
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Because this would break various aspects of the game, that's why not.
 
But you see my point:  what is "needed to progress" means different things to different people, and is therefore subjective...so using it as a definition for what's luxury and what isn't is bad bad BAD.
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Luxuries in Wildstar:
 
Housing
Costumes
Dyes
Different Speed Mounts
 
Non-Luxuries:
 
Gear
AMP resets - if you need to
Extra AMP and Ability points
 
See the difference.	
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How will it break the game?
 
Do you need house for any progression?
 
It is a subgame - an completely optional part.
 
Don't confuse Carbine's decision that "Housing should be accessible to everyone" as "Housing is not a luxury"
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Luxuries in Wildstar:
 
Housing
Costumes
Dyes
Different Speed Mounts
 
Non-Luxuries:
 
Gear
AMP resets - if you need to
Extra AMP and Ability points
 
See the difference.
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Your definition assumes everyone only cares about dungeons and raids.  We know that's obviously not true; that's a terrible definition.
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Can you imagine if basic equipment and AMPs from vendors actually cost dozens of plat each?  How can you not see that would be terrible for the game?
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Required to play.. can think of a few things that you must have to play.
 
-character
-at least underwear on your character.
-walking ability
-you have to get a weapon but i supposed you can destroy it, still required to play the game.
 
 
yea so.. stfu	
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You could argue that anything is "unnecessary for regular play".  What's your point?
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I think they should improve the speed of mounts with the upgrade. It does seem lackluster for the price you have to pay.
I hope they improve it, that way we have something else to save up for.	
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What? What? 80p? Thats 16 months of creed on my server at the moment. Thats £143.00 odd of rl cash equivalent.
 
Someone somewhere is taking the proverbial and yes, I do understand that you can farm and use AH etc but wtf, 80p for such a measly thing.
 
Worse than GW2.
 
Edit. and when you can use mounts in pvp its no longer a luxury but a necessity -
http://wildstar-online.com/en/news/introducing-sabotage/	
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			How could anyone listen to 16 months of Creed, I would shoot myself. 	
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How could anyone listen to 16 months of Creed, I would shoot myself. 
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Edit. and when you can use mounts in pvp its no longer a luxury but a necessity -
http://wildstar-online.com/en/news/introducing-sabotage/
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Let see if Carbine think the 20% speed boost from Expert Riding Skill is significant enough to adjust the cost.
 
What I am guessing they will do is to make all the mounts the same speed in Daggerfall.  
 
The people shown using mounts are not using their hoverboards.  Maybe because it was demo and they thought Wild Wild West posse looks better than a group of boarders.  Maybe the mounts are picked up at the base - like those missions where you have to use in game vehicles.
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Is Expert Riding really working ? Does it add 35% speed ? I am not sure if its still bugging like b4. I wanna make sure that it works before i grab for both my chars.
 
Is any Dev can confirm this ?
 
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If you don't think it represents good value, don't buy it. Simple.
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			Probably not going to buy this for a looooong time. Riding in general is very underwhelming. It's just better than walking, which is really all that can be said.	
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I didn't say it would make it a better game.
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			Last post I will make in this thread. If the speed boost seems like it isn't worth the price to you, don't buy it.	
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			You don't find it was worth the cost.  Other think it is.  What is the problem?	
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The issue is not whether each person should decide for themselves to buy it or not.  Saying "if you don't like something, don't buy it" is pretty meaningless...everyone already knows this.
 
The issue is should the in-game benefit more accurately match the cost.
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How could anyone listen to 16 months of Creed, I would shoot myself. 
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80p for +20% speed (or 135% mount speed total) is heavy, amen on that. The price should be adjusted a little.
 
Nevertheless I don't understand people complaining AFTER buying it.
It clearly says it costs 80p.
It clearly says it increases your base speed on a mount by 35%.
-> So your total mount speed is gonna be 135%.
 
If you then buy it and complain... well... you will have a long way ahead in your life then. I am missing the words to tell you how naive you are. Even with the right words you will just show ignorance and still complain, because you are not satisfied and want more. And that's ok, that's human; we all are humans. It's just some of us learned when enough is enough.	
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			The real problem: Mounts are too slow, regardless of upgrades.	
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