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It amazes me how some people are trying to create World War IV on the forums over some server and in-game issues this game is having after the launch of a major rollout of new material. It is a game. Not only is it a game, it is a FREE TO PLAY game. I cannot help but wonder about the everyday life these people lead and how they handle important issues that do not go their way.  Yikes.
 
What I don’t get is why the people that are threatening to leave over some temporary issues that WILL eventually be worked out come here to rage instead of just leaving? It doesn’t appear that it is with good intentions; it seems to be to just spew salty rage. In fact, many of the posts remind me of the toxic crowd I see running rampant in games like Wow. Wildstar has a great community so perhaps the departure of some of these ragers isn’t a bad thing??? 
 
While some reading this will suggest that the rage is due to frustration in not being able to play and therefore justified and will somehow help Carbine realize there are issues and people are unhappy (as if they are not aware), please understand that we all wanted to play as badly as anyone else over the last few days but the sporadic login issues, lag, long queues and disconnects does not prevent most of us from seeing that this is an awesome game nor will it ruin our future experience with this game nor do we take any of this ‘personally’- it is a game with some bug and server issues right now- simple as that.
 
Many of us veterans have the added frustration of not getting rewards (cosmetic and important gear) but the majority of us are handling things more maturely than those coming to ftp with no real vested interest that are filling the forum with vile postings filled with rage and threats of doom and leaving? Are these people truly an asset to the Wildstar community?  To the majority of the players that are handling the frustration with the issues we have been seeing over the last few days with some restraint and patience- kudos to you and thank you.
 
I have active subscriptions in TESO, SWTOR, Wow, and play other games like GW2 and FFXIV and NONE of them have anything on this game. In my opinion this is the best mmo out there and I will definitely be around when they finally get all the server issues and bugs corrected. I am smart enough to understand that this was a HUGE transition from a sub based game to free to play with a ton of changes to the structure of the original game large enough to classify this as a re-launch. Everything from revamping the entire stat system which impacted all the gear and runes in the game to setting up a new type of runing, crafting and challenge system. There were many changes done throughout the game in dungeons and zones, even removing all of the prime enemies to ‘friendlier’ locations. Heck, even a new movement system was implemented with the mouselook feature. There were a ton of changes revamping this entire game and those on the outside looking in might ignorantly view this as a ‘patch’ but the size of the project and transition to ftp truly make it a re-launch and issues are predictable for a game that is only a little over a year old to begin with.  Am I happy with the extent of the issues, hell no but I know that Carbine is working on this day and night and the issues WILL be resolved.
 
If you ragers want to label me a diehard fan or a fanboy you go right ahead as I AM a fan of this game and will wear this title proudly. I have played many games and still subscribe to quite a few but there is a reason I play this over other games and a reason I am a loyal fan of this game- simply put- it is the best mmo out there. There is no game that matches the combat of this game, the pvp of this game, the pve of this game or the housing this game has. Because of this I don’t mind waiting until the temporary issues like lag, queue and login are resolved as the rewards greatly exceed the minor inconveniences I am experience now.   
 
To those that are just coming to Wildstar that might be frustrated (understandable) or returning and have not yet seen all the positive changes but are smart enough to stick around until things are working smoothly again- you will be glad you did. You will fall in love with the Wildstar combat system, humor, costuming, lore, pve, pvp, housing and community and us veterans are looking forward to seeing and playing alongside of you on Nexus. To those that are immature enough to toss a raging fit over some rollout issues and walk away from a terrific game due to the temporary issues we are seeing right now- definitely your loss. 
			
				
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I've managed to log in a few times. Been playing since the original beta and some of the changes introductions are very exciting to me. 
 
All i'm doing at the moment is putting the game down for a week and getting some much needed IRL work done to allow things to stabilize. 	
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For those that have an issue reading anything beyond a paragraph, stop reading here. 
 
It amazes me how some people are trying to create World War IV on the forums over some server and in-game issues this game is having after the launch of a major rollout of new material. It is a game. Not only is it a game, it is a FREE TO PLAY game. I cannot help but wonder about the everyday life these people lead and how they handle important issues that do not go their way.  Yikes.
 
What I don’t get is why the people that are threatening to leave over some temporary issues that WILL eventually be worked out come here to rage instead of just leaving? It doesn’t appear that it is with good intentions; it seems to be to just spew salty rage. In fact, many of the posts remind me of the toxic crowd I see running rampant in games like Wow. Wildstar has a great community so perhaps the departure of some of these ragers isn’t a bad thing??? 
 
While some reading this will suggest that the rage is due to frustration in not being able to play and therefore justified and will somehow help Carbine realize there are issues and people are unhappy (as if they are not aware), please understand that we all wanted to play as badly as anyone else over the last few days but the sporadic login issues, lag, long queues and disconnects does not prevent most of us from seeing that this is an awesome game nor will it ruin our future experience with this game nor do we take any of this ‘personally’- it is a game with some bug and server issues right now- simple as that.
 
Many of us veterans have the added frustration of not getting rewards (cosmetic and important gear) but the majority of us are handling things more maturely than those coming to ftp with no real vested interest that are filling the forum with vile postings filled with rage and threats of doom and leaving? Are these people truly an asset to the Wildstar community?  To the majority of the players that are handling the frustration with the issues we have been seeing over the last few days with some restraint and patience- kudos to you and thank you.
 
I have active subscriptions in TESO, SWTOR, Wow, and play other games like GW2 and FFXIV and NONE of them have anything on this game. In my opinion this is the best mmo out there and I will definitely be around when they finally get all the server issues and bugs corrected. I am smart enough to understand that this was a HUGE transition from a sub based game to free to play with a ton of changes to the structure of the original game large enough to classify this as a re-launch. Everything from revamping the entire stat system which impacted all the gear and runes in the game to setting up a new type of runing, crafting and challenge system. There were many changes done throughout the game in dungeons and zones, even removing all of the prime enemies to ‘friendlier’ locations. Heck, even a new movement system was implemented with the mouselook feature. There were a ton of changes revamping this entire game and those on the outside looking in might ignorantly view this as a ‘patch’ but the size of the project and transition to ftp truly make it a re-launch and issues are predictable for a game that is only a little over a year old to begin with.  Am I happy with the extent of the issues, hell no but I know that Carbine is working on this day and night and the issues WILL be resolved.
 
If you ragers want to label me a diehard fan or a fanboy you go right ahead as I AM a fan of this game and will wear this title proudly. I have played many games and still subscribe to quite a few but there is a reason I play this over other games and a reason I am a loyal fan of this game- simply put- it is the best mmo out there. There is no game that matches the combat of this game, the pvp of this game, the pve of this game or the housing this game has. Because of this I don’t mind waiting until the temporary issues like lag, queue and login are resolved as the rewards greatly exceed the minor inconveniences I am experience now.   
 
To those that are just coming to Wildstar that might be frustrated (understandable) or returning and have not yet seen all the positive changes but are smart enough to stick around until things are working smoothly again- you will be glad you did. You will fall in love with the Wildstar combat system, humor, costuming, lore, pve, pvp, housing and community and us veterans are looking forward to seeing and playing alongside of you on Nexus. To those that are immature enough to toss a raging fit over some rollout issues and walk away from a terrific game due to the temporary issues we are seeing right now- definitely your loss. 
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I can agree with you. My big complaint with the way things are is because of the fact that the major issue with the game was always the lack of a player base. Now they have a good chance to bring in tons of new players. However, they are making the same mistakes they made at launch which forced so many people away from the game. If they can't get the stability fixed and fast, they need to open another server to lighten the load. Otherwise they risk pushing people away. Even as a free to play game, people will not bother wasting time on a game they can not play and 2nd chances rarely ever happen for most MMOs.
 
I've played off and on since Alpha so I've been around to see it all and what I don't want to see is them miss or worse, ruin, a chance to turn this game into what it should be. A successful MMO.	
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 However, they are making the same mistakes they made at launch which forced so many people away from the game. If they can't get the stability fixed and fast, they need to open another server to lighten the load. 
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			Finally some people who not rageing because the lag. FINALLY GOD FINALLY	
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I have been pretty patient for them to get the fixes worked out, and I understand that these things happen. But this is now day three, and it's just on problem after another. Now if I didn't have a different MMO (Tera) I would be even more patient. I, and many others are leaving other mmos to give this one a try. I and so many others will only wait so long before we return to the games that we already enjoy playing.
 
For example.  I allowed my Tera sub status to run out in anticipation of this games (re)launch, but I don't have unlimited free time, and if Carbine can't get this these problems fixed very soon, I will end up going back to Tera and re-subbing, and getting heavily involved again. If that happens I probably wont be returning. I'm guessing that the same goes for many other people.
 
I fear that if Carbine doesn't get these problems resolved in the next 24 to 48 hours, most people will just go back their already favorite MMO.
 
I really don't hope that happens, because I am really loving Wildstar so far.
 
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not hating on Carbine, I actually feel really bad for the situation that they are in, and I understand and respect the fact that they are working hard to fix the problems. But time isn't on their side, and if they can't get the job done soon, this great game will have missed a huge opportunity, because I honestly believe that the F2P community would have really embraced this game. Along with that, so many people will miss out on this obviously fantastic game
 
I guess what I am saying is, with so many other f2p games out there that people have already spent so much time and potentially money on, they are eventually just going to go back "home" and forget about Wildstar if this continues too much longer.
 
This is one of the few times I really hope I am wrong.	
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			Again, I just wish they were communicating with us a bit more. I've been trying to log in for five hours now. A lot of people are experiencing the same issue. It would be great to hear "We know you're going through this, we're working on it and we'll let you know as soon as it's resolved." I know that's implied and I know that they're trying their best, but a little communication goes a long way toward making people feel acknowledged.	
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The simple fact is Carbine botched this launch badly. I love this game just got all my shiny uber-veteran rewards for being subscribed since launch. This was a chance tor revitalize the game, and get new players in and their first experience with the game is utter crap. This is 100 times worse then the original launch of the game. No idea how they could have even done that.
 
New players are seeing the worst side of Wildstar now and it hurts all of us in the long run. Telling people to wait, or to play other games isn't really the answer. trust me the DEV team wants you playing Wildstar they just can't make it happen for whatever reason.
 
Something fundamentally wrong happened with their update, the PTR had none of these issues. They probably could have avoided a lot of the tension if they ran a real beta for the relaunch instead of putting players on a test server. How many F2P players actually logged on test compared to how many logged in day one, not many! There was no incentive for them to do so all of their character progress was wiped.
 
Anyways I'm happy your chill, I on other hand am disheartened by the overall experience. I stayed up for the launch party and couldn't create a new character, they next morning the lag was horrific, the next day the lag was so bad when you killed a boss it took five minutes to loot and then you got kicked, and now you can't even get a character to load. Some problems are ok, queue times can be managed, the compleat botch of launch to this degree is unheard of, and I'm sure people there know this could be the end of the line if things don't get turned around quickly.
 
I know they are working hard to get it fixed but it's just not happening, I'd probably just pull the servers offline, offer everyone some type of compensation and then bring them back up when they have something stable going. Otherwise it's just go to be a nightmare to fix whatever they have to do.
			
				
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The simple fact is Carbine botched this launch badly.
 
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It amazes me how some people are trying to create World War IV on the forums over some server and in-game issues this game is having after the launch of a major rollout of new material.
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			If forum wars "amaze" you, then you are obviously not as much of a "vet" as you think you are.	
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			So you want F2P *and* a peaceful, mature, respectful and calm community of constructive posters who never complain on the forums? I don't think you get how F2P works. ;)	
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			My issue is that The Lag has been around for months whenever you are in a high population area.  Carbine never fixed it, and now all the new people are making it worse.  I have almost no confidence that they are even able to fix it.  It is like they do not have the talent on staff to get it working, or that the game is fundamentally flawed somehow.	
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I still do not understand and I'm definitely not the smartest person.
 
It's not about rose tinted glasses at all. I still think they should have seen it coming and I am most certainly NOT a white knight.
 
But I seriously wonder, what do want me to do?
 
Currently, the game is broken. We all agree on that. What do you want me to do? You do all the bitching and moaning, and have probably done the past two days and the game is still broken.
 
If I whine with you is it going to get fixed faster?	
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			C'mon OP if u'r a real WS VET u should know that patch released during the 1st year of wildstar broke the game thats why many people left, Drop 2 i think was the best in game breaking bug -.- , and guess what ? it's happening again for this F2P launch / relaunch / chose .... yea things will get better exactly like the 1st release, when everybody will be pissed of and leave ... server could handle the charge ...	
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I understand people wanting to defend something they love. But at a certain point you've got to come to terms with reality. The F2P launch has been a fiasco. My personal experience hasn't been good at all. After weeks on convincing my girlfriend and a few other friends to try it out again once f2p launches, they're now confused on how I ever thought the game was worth trying. Every one of them had major issues creating a new character and after they were finally able to create one and beat the queue boss, the crippling lag made it unbearable to play. Meanwhile, I had my own set of issues. Like having to wait 24 hours to use the fortune coins I payed money to get. In all my years, I've never seen such a thing in an online game. There has been many a white knight defending this decision of carbines, claiming it's to avoid charge back abuse. Which honestly, sounds like a bullshit excuse. But whatever.
 
Point being, I actually love the game. I've played for months, have 2 max level toons and have meticulously customized my house. It's a great game, and I really wanted this f2p launch to succeed in it's goal of bringing in new players. Which it may still do, but it has left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Just being realistic here, people are fickle as hell these days. Some may come back in a week or so, some may not. Guess we'll see.	
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Well f2p got me to come back and see if i want to give the game another chance. The reason i left in the first place was because i thought things were getting mighty repetitive and i was getting back into another game that i liked. Now that i am back, i have re-subbed and purchased some damn NC coins or whatever they are called because i see there are going to be people actually playing again... even though some of them are going to be f2p douchebags that never get a toon past level 15 and just like to troll around. 
 
The log in issues and the lag is just ... well... No big deal to me because i know how the game  CAN be.. nice and smooth. So i have had patience for this reason. It isnt a big damn deal.	
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tldr BUT
 
WHEN did we have WW 3 ? and why wasn't i invited. ? 	
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			My only concern is that the big dog money guys backing this project are going to walk away to find a more stable investment.  No one at Carbine wants to work for free, no matter how passionate they are about their creation.  I mean, look how passionate so many players are about this title..imagine how the people who actually created it feel.  I'm sure there's a figure and a deadline floating over all of their heads and we'd all like to give them the time they need and I'm sure they'd love to have a bunch more of it but little Johnny needs new school clothes and when the money dries up Carbine directors and devs will be scanning the job postings on craigslist because let's face it, rent's due, cupcake.	
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The frustration generated by these issues was exacerbated by the pre-launch hype.  Obviously, it wouldn't have benefited Carbine's bottom line to quietly announce on 9/25: "psst... we're moving to a F2P in a few days--expect moderate to severe service interruptions and please don't tell anyone."  On the other hand, weeks of pre-launch fanfare and anticipation-building followed by the (perhaps inevitable) Day 1 total meltdown makes it look like Carbine doesn't have its act together.  If you're inclined to be generous, you might say there's an apparent resource imbalance between Carbine's promotional and technical departments.
 
Launch night was handled poorly.  Watching Carbine employees squeal "OHMAGAWD THIS THING IS SOOOOO SICK YOU GUYS!!!" on the livestream while most of us couldn't play play the game was not good at all.
 
I have no doubt that most of the folks at Carbine are scrambling like their hair is on fire, on the verge of caffeine poisoning, trying desperately to make this thing right; and I have no doubt they will eventually succeed.  Still, it would be nice if somebody--ANYBODY--in the game business would take a note from history and stop promising things they can't deliver.	
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I understand people wanting to defend something they love. But at a certain point you've got to come to terms with reality. The F2P launch has been a fiasco. 
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Vorrek, on 01 Oct 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:
Most of the F2P players haven't played, barely played, or played with extreme lag.  What topic other than the game being broken should they be posting about?
 
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Did we really need yet another "stop complaining" thread? I'll give you kudos for making this one rather respectfully and your responses acknowledge that you agree there are problems but others aren't making constructive posts about it. Though there was one part that bothered me where you make assumptions about how people handle RL problems if they act like this on the forums. Anyway, I am clearly both a serial killer and mass murderer based on the amount of killing I do in-game.  :P
 
But going on, I've seen a bunch of "stop complaining" threads pop up. I mean, I expect the complainers to make a bunch of threads on the same subject, but I expect more from veteran players such as yourself! ~shakes finger at you~	
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Again, not complaining about complainers, making statements about unproductive raging posts filled with toxic hatred spew. But thank you for complaining about what you thought was a complaining post about complainers?Good job   :wacko:
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 Though there was one part that bothered me where you make assumptions about how people handle RL problems if they act like this on the forums. Anyway, I am clearly both a serial killer and mass murderer based on the amount of killing I do in-game.  :P
 
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Another topic to complain about the complainers, good job.
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			Fan boys with be fan boyz. This game sucked at retail launch and it sucks now. Its suckiness is so sucky that even going free to play didn;t make it any less sucky. Im out, have ot get ready for raid tonight , LFM Mythic hellfire citadel pst ty	
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Hahaha someone got salty!
 
Your post is also unproductive.
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			I read all of that, to which I agree. But find myself overwhelmed with the question... WW4? Did I miss WW3?	
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I understand people wanting to defend something they love. But at a certain point you've got to come to terms with reality. The F2P launch has been a fiasco. My personal experience hasn't been good at all. After weeks on convincing my girlfriend and a few other friends to try it out again once f2p launches, they're now confused on how I ever thought the game was worth trying. Every one of them had major issues creating a new character and after they were finally able to create one and beat the queue boss, the crippling lag made it unbearable to play. Meanwhile, I had my own set of issues. Like having to wait 24 hours to use the fortune coins I payed money to get. In all my years, I've never seen such a thing in an online game. There has been many a white knight defending this decision of carbines, claiming it's to avoid charge back abuse. Which honestly, sounds like a bullshit excuse. But whatever.
 
Point being, I actually love the game. I've played for months, have 2 max level toons and have meticulously customized my house. It's a great game, and I really wanted this f2p launch to succeed in it's goal of bringing in new players. Which it may still do, but it has left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Just being realistic here, people are fickle as hell these days. Some may come back in a week or so, some may not. Guess we'll see.
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I read all of that, to which I agree. But find myself overwhelmed with the question... WW4? Did I miss WW3?
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Please don't twist my words, killing things in a game is not the same as tactlessly venting real emotions of exaggerated anger and hostility on a public forum when something rather insignificant in their life (like game time) does not go their way. And yes, it seriously makes me wonder how people like this (the ragers not those that simply complain about the issues in a constructive matter) handle things in real life when something does not go their way. One would hope much differently but if I were a betting person I don't think I would like the odds.  ;)
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			Wildstar is up so I am off to focus on the game. See you all (many of you) in Nexus! 	
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			Call me paranoid if you will, but putting the typical haters aside that all MMORPG forums get, there are some around with pretty obvious defamation agendas. No knowledge at all about the game, no real complains about the issues. Just pure defamation based on logical fallacies.	
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Again, I just wish they were communicating with us a bit more. I've been trying to log in for five hours now. A lot of people are experiencing the same issue. It would be great to hear "We know you're going through this, we're working on it and we'll let you know as soon as it's resolved." I know that's implied and I know that they're trying their best, but a little communication goes a long way toward making people feel acknowledged.
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			See...the problem isn't the content ...you cant keep saying just wait till they fix this and you'll see how great we find this game ...they had a ftp beta ...they've had 3 full days to fix problems that should have been evident in the beta ...and ppl still cant even log in ....in the last 3 days i've seen the queues i've seen the non functional character creation , i've seen the lag , and now i cant even log in the game ... i'm not a newbie  i've played great mmos ive played mediocre mmos ...i even played shadowbane ...arguable the worst mmo experience there ever was ...  but ...cmon ...this was their shot to re-invigore their fan base ...and they blew it ...there is no explaining it away , no excusing it ...this was just a really really bad experience.   die hards will return when the shit gets righted ...but if they needed this to stay profitable ...then you die hards are standing on the deck of the Titanic right now.	
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See...the problem isn't the content ...you cant keep saying just wait till they fix this and you'll see how great we find this game ...they had a ftp beta ...they've had 3 full days to fix problems that should have been evident in the beta ...and ppl still cant even log in ....in the last 3 days i've seen the queues i've seen the non functional character creation , i've seen the lag , and now i cant even log in the game ... i'm not a newbie  i've played great mmos ive played mediocre mmos ...i even played shadowbane ...arguable the worst mmo experience there ever was ...  but ...cmon ...this was their shot to re-invigore their fan base ...and they blew it ...there is no explaining it away , no excusing it ...this was just a really really bad experience.   die hards will return when the shit gets righted ...but if they needed this to stay profitable ...then you die hards are standing on the deck of the Titanic right now.
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See...the problem isn't the content ...you cant keep saying just wait till they fix this and you'll see how great we find this game ...they had a ftp beta ...they've had 3 full days to fix problems that should have been evident in the beta ...and ppl still cant even log in ....in the last 3 days i've seen the queues i've seen the non functional character creation , i've seen the lag , and now i cant even log in the game ... i'm not a newbie  i've played great mmos ive played mediocre mmos ...i even played shadowbane ...arguable the worst mmo experience there ever was ...  but ...cmon ...this was their shot to re-invigore their fan base ...and they blew it ...there is no explaining it away , no excusing it ...this was just a really really bad experience.   die hards will return when the shit gets righted ...but if they needed this to stay profitable ...then you die hards are standing on the deck of the Titanic right now.
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			I will say this I finally experienced a weird bug today since the relaunch. I clicked content finder and launched walitiki bg. and when I entered the bg 30 seconds later.. there were only 2 players on Dominion side. AS 8 apparently were afk or the game bugged out on them. I should have taken a screen shot. IT was kinda funny and definitely sad at the same time.	
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Yes, please continue explaining how there is no excuse because of a beta.  Beta is totally the same load on the server as Live.  You clearly know everything.
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Thank you for this post.
 
I'm a sub as well and knew the first week or so of ftp would be rough, but we roll through it because we love this game.
 
I'd like to think the 'adversity' ftp people are going through will weed out some less patient players and we will be left with a larger player community in the end that actually wants to enjoy the game and the other people playing it.
 
One of the big draws of this game (aside from its playful character and nature) is how helpful and positive the players are. Even before ftp was announced and the realms were 'dead' i could always find people to help on group quests and elite mobs while leveling.
 
So yes we will weather the storm and find our tomorrow with new friends that just want to have a blast playing a fun game.	
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I will say this I finally experienced a weird bug today since the relaunch. I clicked content finder and launched walitiki bg. and when I entered the bg 30 seconds later.. there were only 2 players on Dominion side. AS 8 apparently were afk or the game bugged out on them. I should have taken a screen shot. IT was kinda funny and definitely sad at the same time.
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Again, I just wish they were communicating with us a bit more. I've been trying to log in for five hours now. A lot of people are experiencing the same issue. It would be great to hear "We know you're going through this, we're working on it and we'll let you know as soon as it's resolved." I know that's implied and I know that they're trying their best, but a little communication goes a long way toward making people feel acknowledged.
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While I find all the complaining very taxing on my psyche, I don't have hard feelings against people who do. I donn't think the vast majority of people complaining are trying to do the game harm as much as lashing out in frustration (which is a bad habit and they shouldn't do it). People who leave the game don't come post on the forums about it, they just leave. People who WANT to stay (and many probably will) but are filled with these frustrations come and post on the forums and threaten to leave because it's all they can do. The reason a lot of the people who have played since the first launch are acting more "mature" about it is because we know this will all blow over at some point. My concern about this whole thing isn't the people complaining, it's the people who aren't and are just moving elsewhere. I like Wildstar and I'm convinced Carbine is working on it, but I can't help but feel like they've lost a considerable amount of valuable pop because of this... And Warhound can't afford to be losing pop.
 
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For those that have an issue reading anything beyond a paragraph, stop reading here. 
 
It amazes me how some people are trying to create World War IV on the forums over some server and in-game issues this game is having after the launch of a major rollout of new material. It is a game. Not only is it a game, it is a FREE TO PLAY game. I cannot help but wonder about the everyday life these people lead and how they handle important issues that do not go their way.  Yikes.
 
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While I find all the complaining very taxing on my psyche, I don't have hard feelings against people who do. I donn't think the vast majority of people complaining are trying to do the game harm as much as lashing out in frustration (which is a bad habit and they shouldn't do it). 
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Ah, some sense. Thank you Gaber.
 
I was expecting "the lower end of the Internet" to appear on the forums, but the scale has surprised me. I feel genuinely for the employees at Carbine, but mostly for the Mods who are probably working all hours to manage the offensive nonsense being spewed here.
 
I'm as frustrated with the lag/disconnects/inability to log in as anyone is, but like the man said, it's a game, and it'll get fixed.
 	
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If they don't have these problems fixed by the weekend, well...I'm just going to say it...the terrorists win.
 
Is that what you want, Timmy? The terrorists to win? Do you want the King of England to kidnap your whole family and smuggle them by steamboat to Kreplakistan?
 
But seriously. Having experienced the disastrous ArcheAge roll out and having been blatantly lied to pre-launch by the H1Z1 crowd (cough-pay to win-cough), I'm somewhat more relaxed for now about Wildstar.
 
I may not yet have had the chance to play the game but soon, precious. Soon.
 
If not soon, then maybe I'll return later.
 
PS: haters come at me for that H1Z1 comment :ph34r:	
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Fan boys with be fan boyz. This game sucked at retail launch and it sucks now. Its suckiness is so sucky that even going free to play didn;t make it any less sucky. Im out, have ot get ready for raid tonight , LFM Mythic hellfire citadel pst ty
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