113854-what-are-your-thoughts-on-faction-betrayal

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I play on the exile side, I tried the dominion side for the sake of having a chua. (the best race ever created!) But the whole experience just gave me a wedgie. Everything seemed so uptight and rigid. I am not saying people who play dominion are uptight etc. Just my preference.
 
Whats the point in having cake if you cant eat it as well? Could the future hold the possiblity of a Chua exile? Or an Aurin who needs more structure in their life?
 
I don't know if this has been brought up before?	
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			Faction betrayal is a non-issue. It should / would never happen. If an Exile defected to the Dominion the Black hoods would kill them before they knew what hit them. The ICI would do the same if Dom tried to go Exile. The best we could hope for is to go C.o.G.S.	
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			No thanks. Draken would rather die than betray their kind and their faction.	
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			Well it was just a thought. More along the lines of a questline to prove your loyalty to the other faction.	
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I play on the exile side, I tried the dominion side for the sake of having a chua. (the best race ever created!) But the whole experience just gave me a wedgie. Everything seemed so uptight and rigid. I am not saying people who play dominion are uptight etc. Just my preference.
 
Whats the point in having cake if you cant eat it as well? Could the future hold the possiblity of a Chua exile? Or an Aurin who needs more structure in their life?
 
I don't know if this has been brought up before?
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			I would love some kind of betrayal thing, tbh. It's unfair that humans are the only ones who can roleplay faction traitors. :(	
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I would love some kind of betrayal thing, tbh. It's unfair that humans are the only ones who can roleplay faction traitors. :(
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			Well I don't know about being an extra special snowflake, I just wanted to play a Chua on the Exile side. The thought of a one in an exile soldier outfit makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.	
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Aurin can RP as traitors to the Queen; Granok alrady are traitors to their peoples way of life; Mordesh... well they are mordesh :)
 
There are plenty traitorous RP lines that fit perfectly with the lore :) and honestly, when has something like Lore stopped RP'rs anyway?
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			Oh simple "bad" 	
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Faction betrayal is a non-issue. It should / would never happen. If an Exile defected to the Dominion the Black hoods would kill them before they knew what hit them. The ICI would do the same if Dom tried to go Exile. The best we could hope for is to go C.o.G.S.
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			It's fine for games that don't have rigid racial loyalties to the faction they belong to.  But I don't see how it can be added into Wildstar story, unless it's limited to Cassian/Human.	
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I really dislike the idea honestly. For non RPers faction based races give a definite flavor and structure to the faction. If any schmuck can be in the dominion then what's the difference? how dirty our capital city is?
 
For RPers I feel like this is a case of wanting to be an extra special snow flake. Kinda like a mass of people playing a "good dark elf" because they love Drizzt, not realizing that by making a swarm of clones they are cheapening the entire concept.
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I'm seeing this a bit with the Dark-no-hug Aurin and the friendly Chua people who love trees.
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Er... Lore is important to the vast majority of roleplayers. And what's with your "examples"? They don't actually follow the request of the OP at all.
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			All I see from that is  quest potential for the betrayal.   You are assuming they'll discard willing subjects to help them take control of Nexus.  on either side.   ICI and Hoods both can be the portal in which you can do a betrayal quest.  Get tortured,  be tested,   become Exile/Dominion.   :P	
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			Meh. Even the whole idea of being able to play as a C.o.G.S member is a bit of a stretch, as their whole existence seems more detrimental to the Exile/Dominion war more than anything. Seriously, I feel like C.o.G.S was just lazily shoehorned into the game so that Carbine wouldn't have to waste time making separate SIm-Cores for both factions.	
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Honestly if someone wants to play a good Darkelf or Dark no hug Aurin who are we to say they are wrong? Is it just a hipster saying it's cool there for they hate it? Seriously options to betray should be standard in an MMORPG by now. This is Nexus kinda feels like a lawless Frontier, so why not?
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Chua who love trees don't make it off the Dommie Arkship, that's why. :P
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Does the Arkship have trees?  I must go there and help Dommies to tend to their plants!
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And Aurin who are mean don't live much longer... :P
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Chua who love trees don't make it off the Dommie Arkship, that's why. :P
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And Aurin who are mean don't live much longer... :P
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			The only one that comes to mind are the Aurin race. Even if they joined Dominion they wouldn't last long plus not much freedom on that side anyway.  Aurin probably will be the only race close to extinction.	
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The only one that comes to mind are the Aurin race. Even if they joined Dominion they wouldn't last long plus not much freedom on that side anyway.  Aurin probably will be the only race close to extinction.
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			I don't see faction betrayal as an option. However an uneasy truce to deal with a greater threat is a different story...	
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Faction betrayal is a non-issue. It should / would never happen. If an Exile defected to the Dominion the Black hoods would kill them before they knew what hit them. The ICI would do the same if Dom tried to go Exile. The best we could hope for is to go C.o.G.S.
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			This, again?	
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I already addressed OP. Faction betrayal wouldn't work well in this game. 
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I disagree. The faction conflict is very much political in WildStar, as opposed to the racial divides in WoW where it's all "ORCS VS HOOMANS FOR ALL TIME". I don't really get very much in the way of specifically racially motivated animosity in WildStar's lore.
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Draken don't really hate Granok because they respect Warrior races.
 
You should say Mechari x Granok since I'm sure some mechari still function and remember what happened to the ambassadors. There's a painting that depicts a Mechari Warrior standing over a dead Granok.	
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The quest line in Whitevale for Exiles has you find two defectors/spies that are Black Hoods.
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			You could always RP that you're a member of the scientist faction that takes all races. First time my Draken got a quest from a Mordesh I thought it was a bug :o	
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I play on the exile side, I tried the dominion side for the sake of having a chua. (the best race ever created!) But the whole experience just gave me a wedgie. Everything seemed so uptight and rigid. I am not saying people who play dominion are uptight etc. Just my preference.
 
Whats the point in having cake if you cant eat it as well? Could the future hold the possiblity of a Chua exile? Or an Aurin who needs more structure in their life?
 
I don't know if this has been brought up before?
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Both of whom get killed in the process.
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Only because they got sloppy and were caught!
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Only because they got sloppy and were caught!
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It's impossible not to get caught. You either get caught by the secret police of the faction you are leaving; or you get caught by the secret police of the faction you are joining. 
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Putting aside lore and other issues.
 
Why would this be worth the time it takes to put it in the game? If you don't care about lore, RP or other such things, does it matter which side you play on? What about this improves the enjoyment of the game?
 
If you do care about lore and such, then there really isn't a lot of room for such a thing. Even if you defect, and aren't killed. It's not like that side will ever really trust you enough to let you just go on your merry way.	
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And how did they know, hm?
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			Avra Darkos watches both sides as does the ICI. You'd be shot coming and going.	
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			I just cannot believe that the wall between Exile and Dominion is so perfectly impenetrable. Society and conflict simply doesn't work that way.	
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I just cannot believe that the wall between Exile and Dominion is so perfectly impenetrable. Society and conflict simply doesn't work that way.
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			No, I dont roleplay but I do love killing chua in BGs. I coudn't stomach fighting next to those rats.	
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Chua who love trees don't make it off the Dommie Arkship, that's why. :P
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This is a computer game.
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The only one that comes to mind are the Aurin race. Even if they joined Dominion they wouldn't last long plus not much freedom on that side anyway.  Aurin probably will be the only race close to extinction.
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The fact you can't imagine something doesn't mean someone else can. For example, what if the Emperor decided to extend a pardon to any Exiles willing to become Dominion Citizens? Sure, there would be a lot of social conflict and, considering just how mind blowing the anti-Exile propaganda is in the Empire, you could get all types of conflict out of it.
Or what if the writers come out with other reasons for allowing these kind of inter-faciton movement? Pretending that no member of a race would bargain with the other side is completely bollocks and goes against all we know about how people work. There were famous traitors in real history. There were even nations divided because some wanted to welcome the invaders while the other half didn't. It's quite reasonable to believe there are Aurin out there trying to 'make ammends' with the Dominion. Perhaps only for the hope that they will stop destroying Arboria. Reasons can be made up. They might need work, and they might not be easy to work with, but the writers have a lot of space to do whatever the heck they want.
If they want the faction divide to be truly impossible to breach, they will justify it (personally, I think the Dominion hate-propaganda machinery is good enough). And if they want to tear it down, they will.
 
Or they could go the RIFT route and make the Player Characters smarter than their faction leaders and decide that there are much bigger threats out there than the Exile-Dominion conflict.
 
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Why would this be worth the time it takes to put it in the game? If you don't care about lore, RP or other such things, does it matter which side you play on? What about this improves the enjoyment of the game? 
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No thanks. Draken would rather die than betray their kind and their faction.
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There's a draken that goes "*cupcake*the Dominion! And all civilization!" in Deradune. He's living in a cave and was a pretty good warrior according to the quest's ending. 
 
Do not throw all individuals of a given species or group into the same basket. Besides being unrealistic, it kills diversity both between individuals and in the stories you can make.	
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Honestly if someone wants to play a good Darkelf or Dark no hug Aurin  who are we to say they are wrong?  Is it just a hipster saying it's cool there for they hate it?   Seriously  options to betray should be standard in an MMORPG by now.  This is Nexus  kinda feels like a lawless  Frontier,  so why not?
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So we're collectors items,  Collect me while you can! >D:
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This is a computer game.
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I still think it is a dumb idea. C.o.G.S rep quests that both factions can run is fine, totally turning your back on faction and lore is not. Sure, we could have some sort of long quest where you murder your own faction, and do all sorts of awful stuff that will have one of the other faction's leaders decided you are too funny to kill, but walk out the door and one of your new faction's players should put a bullet between your eyes. 
 
No one likes a traitor. You would never be the protagonist of the story because no one is really going to trust you. The information you have might be useful, but they are going to send a person they actually trust. You turned your back on people that trusted you once, who is to say you would not do it again? 	
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I still think it is a dumb idea. C.o.G.S rep quests that both factions can run is fine, totally turning your back on faction and lore is not. Sure, we could have some sort of long quest where you murder your own faction, and do all sorts of awful stuff that will have one of the other faction's leaders decided you are too funny to kill, but walk out the door and one of your new faction's players should put a bullet between your eyes. 
 
No one likes a traitor. You would never be the protagonist of the story because no one is really going to trust you. The information you have might be useful, but they are going to send a person they actually trust. You turned your back on people that trusted you once, who is to say you would not do it again? 
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Hello. I want to introduce you to Chua marauders in Auroria. They are to the south and they are going "against the lore" that CLEARLY states that all Chua are abbiding Dominion citizens. I also want to introduce you to some Luminai and their Mechari friends, who are, not only in backstory, but also shown in-game (in Deradune, specifically) to be conspiring against the Emperor so they can seize power and make things their way. Yes, they are all traitors, but one nation's traitor is another nation's hero. Heck, Emperor Myrcalus got into his position by basically betraying the previous emperor and killing him. What did the Empire think about that? "Oh, Myrcalus, you are our hero!"
Nobody likes a traitor, indeed.
 
Also, why should the player be the protagonist of the story? I don't think we even can, considering there's thousands of us being the totally "one and only" protagonist of the storyline. That's just cheap storytelling to make the player care. "You should care..." says the writer "...because you are the CHOSEN ONE!". Lazy.
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In Deradune there was a single Luminai who was plotting against the Emperor... Agent Lex took care of him... This supports the position that Dominion traitors do not live long.
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			Nazryn, you are doing that thing again where you put all the individuals of a race inside the same cliché basket. You also failed your Spot check on sarcasm.	
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to OP-
 
I don't see it as faction betrayal, its just experiencing the game to its fullest, and according to Lore...i started playing (and still do) exile due that they were the ones who found Nexus first and Dominion followed there after...so i basically created a dominion explorer to get more lore content and get their perspective of the story, i will say the dominion get much more exposure to the Eldan than the exiles did upon reaching 50. exiles get some holographic exposure here and there but dominions kinda have hands on with Eldan.
 
i found that pretty cool experience-really gave game play two different story, so you see its not really betrayal- but learning more about nexus as a whole!	
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Nazryn, you are doing that thing again where you put all the individuals of a race inside the same cliché basket. You also failed your Spot check on sarcasm.
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			id shoot all yee dirty traitors...well more zap	
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Born to be wiiiiiilllldddddd!!!!
 
Join an RP server and be a sneaky little Dominions Aurin that infiltrate the Exile to feed info to the darkside. (or a RP community once Megaserver hit the ground)	
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What race did I put in a cliché basket? It's as much a fact that Chua ultimately worship science as it is a fact that Aurin do trees. This is a stylized game, and all the races are necessarily clichéd by design :)
 
 
 
Technically speaking, the Dominion inhabited Nexus first (the Millennials were built there, as was the first Luminai/ emperor. Tresayne Toria, the literal progenitor of the Dominion also has lived on Nexus for several thousand years). They simply had lost the directions back :)
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  Ya know since Millennials didn't found the Dominion till they left Nexus.
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Short answer: Unlikely.
 
Long answer: If Axis Pheydra didn't get the ICI to gib you on the spot, you can bet that Avra Darkos would. So not only is it unlikely, it is heavily ill-advised.
 
Does this line ring a bell?"I know who you are. Where you've been. What you've done...Does that make you nervous?"
 
Axis Pheydra knows your character before YOU do.
 
And Avra is even more ruthless than Pheydra, when she wants to be.
 
Do you honestly think any traitors would get far?	
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Faction betrayal is a non-issue. It should / would never happen. If an Exile defected to the Dominion the Black hoods would kill them before they knew what hit them. The ICI would do the same if Dom tried to go Exile. The best we could hope for is to go C.o.G.S.
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There is very little doubt in my mind that about any Chua could be bribed to change sides for a pile of explosives and a can of sprite.
 
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I highly doubt the blockade around Grismara even needs to be there anymore.
 
During the initial outbreak of the Contagion, 99% of all infrastructure cracked within 48 hours and that's not counting everything that likely blew up.
 
On top of that, it's already confirmed that there are no non-Mordesh life signs on the planet. And any Mordesh still there are...Well, you know.
 
That planet is officially a dead zone, for lack of better terminology.	
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Aurin are scrappy, but not stealthy per-see. The Dominion didn't glass their planet, they sent big combine harvesters to collect the trees. 
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ROFL So the Aurin ran for their lives and feared for the survival of their species for no reason. Farm equipment my rear.
 
That's a good one.
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I highly doubt the blockade around Grismara even needs to be there anymore.
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 You and Nazryn totally mispelled quarantine wrong. A blockade is more to stop trade and travel, since neither arboria or grismara have either I would wager the dominion has listening posts there or at most a small research base in the case of grismara. I visualize some chua trying to weaponize up a T-virus over there.
 
Arboria Is likely buzzing with industry ships and home to a large camp of the Dominion Conservation Society (those people that stop the draken from hunting Deradune into extinction). No point in a Blockade since the Aurin didnt have ships capable of long distance space flight notable enough to reach anywhere important.
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They have no interest in keeping Arborian Aurin from going Extinct.  Arboria is not Nexus.
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Take a real life example of what kind of resources we get from our own rain forests.
 
Everything from meds to exotic pets from arboria would be a resource the dominion would enjoy greatly.
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 You and Nazryn totally mispelled quarantine wrong. A blockade is more to stop trade and travel, since neither arboria or grismara have either I would wager the dominion has listening posts there or at most a small research base in the case of grismara. I visualize some chua trying to weaponize up a T-virus over there.
 
Arboria Is likely buzzing with industry ships and home to a large camp of the Dominion Conservation Society (those people that stop the draken from hunting Deradune into extinction). No point in a Blockade since the Aurin didnt have ships capable of long distance space flight notable enough to reach anywhere important.
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			Wouldn't that be hilarious if the Aurin corrupted the Chua and everyone comes back ready to fight for Arboria and everyone is just sitting around the Mother Tree having a toke?	
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Wouldn't that be hilarious if the Aurin corrupted the Chua and everyone comes back ready to fight for Arboria and everyone is just sitting around the Mother Tree having a toke?
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			"Dang Chua. This Mother tree is DANK. Huehuehue"	
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