Report 247

Report #247
Skillset: Shadowbeat Skill: Shadowpulse
 Org: Harbingers Status: Completed Sept 2009
Furies' Decision:
Solution 1 approved.
Problem: Shadowbeat is fairly middle-stanza-heavy, with a skill (shadowpulse)
that builds off a skill on the same tier (bloodycaps). Pretty much limits the
mid stanza options a great amount if you want to effectively use them.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Move shadowpulse to high stanza (7-9)
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Swap Widowsmercy and Shadowpulse, moving mercy to mid
 (5-7) and pulse to high (7-9)
Player Comments:
---[Llandros on 9/11 @ 14:05 writes]:
I'm not sure about this. It seems to me the current structure was intentional to
limit the set up you can have at any one time. More of a do you want to hinder
enemies, buff allies or increase damage and less of getting the best parts of
everything at once. Also, with the ease of changing the powers imbued in a song
it shouldn't be much of an issue to change things on they fly as needed.
---[Desitrus on 9/11 @ 20:15 writes]:
I'm not quite sure what your motives are, but each of the other specs can do
just that. Not to mention Shadowpulse doesn't paralyze from one tick of songs,
so it takes at least two with no clotting or chevril to "hinder." Even in your
own spec, there is an easy line of buff/hurt/hinder, same for Wilderrane and
even the agreed-upon hurting Starhymn. Shadowbeat was chosen as the only spec to
receive this qualification? Really? The songs it works with are either on demand
(crowcaw) or in the same stanza. Simple problem, simple fix.
---[Llandros on 9/12 @ 02:07 writes]:
I don't know why you think shadowbeat is being singled out. In necroscream
despairweb/torturesong - low stanza, sickeningplague/carillonknell - mid stanza,
---[Llandros on 9/12 @ 02:08 writes]:
(continued from above) blackdeath/wrathfulcanticle - high stanza. That you have
two complementary songs in a single stanza does not seem unbalanced from my
point of view
---[Desitrus on 9/12 @ 05:55 writes]:
Are you selecting two random skills each time or something? It's not that they
are complimentary, one literally feeds off the other or external sources of
bleeding. Your first example? Neither works for the other, they are just both
off entangles. Second I'll give you, but it also comes from a stanza where
nothing else makes that big of a difference. Running sick/knell/engine over
sob/demon should be a nobrainer. Third? Death and canticle serve different
purposes. One builds off sick by making those afflictions hard to cure and
possibly giving them back, the other adds new afflictions based on the plague
afflictions present. All of which can be added by external plague sources. I'm
still curious as to what motivates your objections aside from personal reasons.
You have yet to state an actual balance reason. List examples of how having
caps/pulse/heart up at the same time produces some sort of ultimate overpowered
combo, please. I'm waiting for a balance concern rather than some strange
pondering of stanza assignment based on cursory glances at a skillset. Show some
math, anything to support other than "You think it looks like one should buff or
hurt not both."
---[Llandros on 9/12 @ 17:19 writes]:
I'm not going to get sucked into the next chapter of envoy wars especially since
you went aggro right out the gate. I respectfully disagree with the necessity
of taking shadowpulse and bloodycaps from the same stanza and I'm leaving it at
that.
---[Desitrus on 9/12 @ 17:28 writes]:
I'm only "aggro" because you refuse to support your claim with any sort of
substantial evidence like "math" or "logic", just "opinion."
---[Sidd on 9/12 @ 17:52 writes]:
Sounds reasonable to me, not a big deal in the long run
---[Nienla on 9/15 @ 02:48 writes]:
Agree with Sidd. It's not really a big deal, so it sounds fine