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You do realize that the person you're quoting was a major Luminai supporter, right? Or is wanting to do research a "White Knight Trait", too?
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Allow me to bring you into the real world about F2P and dead servers:
 
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Again. People are leaving the PVP server. People are recommending the PVE server to transfer. Let me change text colors for you to read. 
 
Please get to reality. I believe anyone of you non-F2P people, would gladly change your opinion if you are still playing on a "dead" server. 
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Not bad? Umm lets repeat these silly problems again:
 
-No PVP until level 50
-Queues are limited to Warplots on Friday evening
-PBGs Only
-once again PVP server dead. 
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lol. yup, thats about it in a nutshell. almost the only answer a lot of peeps can come up with.
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I think this threads reached it's ummm "end" in regard to being productive....
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			I think this threads reached it's ummm "end" in regard to being productive....	
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lol. yup, thats about it in a nutshell. almost the only answer a lot of peeps can come up with.
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I was on Thunderfoot, which was dead. And back before the Megaservers, I wasn't in support of F2P.
 
So there goes "that".
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I think this threads reached it's ummm "end" in regard to being productive....
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That happened on page 1 already.
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That happened on page 1 already.
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Not bad? Umm lets repeat these silly problems again:
 
-No PVP until level 50
-Queues are limited to Warplots on Friday evening
-PBGs Only
-once again PVP server dead. 
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Yep, next doomsday post inc...
But people feel the need to keep dragging it back into the spotlight.  Sad part is, it won't end.
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And yet you'll always answer, because you can't help yourself. It's almost like...like...you knew the thread was negative in nature, and now there's lamentations about the negativity that belongs here, in a negative thread.
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That's a PVE server.
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We all respond, because we really don't want new players to come and believe this nonsense that's being spread in these topics.
It's a necessary fight.
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obviously Vic, every place needs its dark side of the force.
to let anger or irrationality rule your emotions means you are giving in...
just look at all those helpless humans who prefer to come in an obviously negative thread and attack the posters.
you are not in that bunch btw, you are smarter than that obi wan.
but it still speaks a lot about how people likes to be entertained. they like to rage.
and we feed of that.
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We all respond, because we really don't want new players to come and believe this nonsense that's being spread in these topics.
It's a nescecarry fight.
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Explain to me how that is not precisely how you define a white knight. Something that apparently needs vigilant defense 24/7. If it's so good, it can speak for itself. Numbers don't lie. Look around these forums, there's nary a new face to be deceived by anything. You come in here and defend the game on an impulse, and nothing more. Please don't dress it up as something noble.
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We all respond, because we really don't want new players to come and believe this nonsense that's being spread in these topics.
It's a nescecarry fight.
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You're right they don't have to. They can just simply go to reddit or any other game forums. Or I can sum it up right here. 
 
What server should I play?
Go to a PVE server cuz PVP server is dead. 
Queues don't pop before max level. A lot of stuff happens at level 50, like raiding and pbgs. 
Don't worry! Drop 5 is going to get better!
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Explain to me how that is not precisely how you define a white knight. Something that apparently needs vigilant defense 24/7. If it's so good, it can speak for itself. Numbers don't lie. Look around these forums, there's nary a new face to be "deceived" by anything. You come in here and defend the game on an impulse, and nothing more. Please don't dress it up as something noble.
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well. it is related.
 
my solution is to change the business model.
yours might be to have a morning coffee thread.
 
we all have the same ultimate goal. we just do it differently.
that's the beauty of human nature.
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Explain to me how that is not precisely how you define a white knight. Something that apparently needs vigilant defense 24/7. If it's so good, it can speak for itself. Numbers don't lie. Look around these forums, there's nary a new face to be "deceived" by anything. You come in here and defend the game on an impulse, and nothing more. Please don't dress it up as something noble.
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Which is unrelated to us combating the drivel about F2P, Dead Game, 2014 Q4 report, and some unrelated investment firm's opinion.
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Which has nothing to do with the red from your own post...
 
 
It was strictly about NON-F2P people "period". Don't shift goalposts now.
 
Unless you're actually trying to say in the red that PvPers are the only ones against F2P. Then you'd be wrong again.
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Don't get mad, get glad.  :D
 
 
 
 
Then call us the Black-Knight?  :ph34r:
 
 
 
 
You are right. I guess 2 dead servers /= dead game. 
 
All the happiness lies in PVE server, where flower blooms and rainbow and sunshine all over Nexus. 
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Yes, the game CAN speak for itself, but you are outside the gates of the keep telling people not to come in.  So some likely wont even SEE that the game can speak for itself.
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You know, when I was angry with carbine for breaking my server, I was doom and gloom too.
Dunno if anyone can remember that.
 
But then I looked back at my past history in games and dying games in particular and wildstar is nowhere near in the same state as them.
 
The developer here is actually trying to fix things, you can't fix stuff in a day or a week, or one content patch.
It's going to take time, and obviously impatience is what is running riot for the "I want everything for FREE and NOW and PERFECT ME MEMEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEEE"
 
I spend at least 5 hours in game, sometimes double that every day. I can see things slowly improving. With drop 4 things rapidly improved, giving me hope. And I literally had none left after being on a dead server for 5 months. I know from experience that F2P gets rid a lot of core players from a game, I know, I played rift. I left that game when it went free2play and I've never gone back.
 
Yes, there are two dead servers. Do you know why they are dead? Because the game dev made a stupid decision. Can it be fixed? Yes. Will it take 1 day to fix? No way... It doesn't mean the game will have to die now and go free to play. 
Did any of you actually play ESO? It may have way more content, but how much of it was actually playable? Not a lot because the game was buggy as hell. And people left in droves.
 
But no, keep your blinkers on, this is the worst game in existance go f2p woo /waves flag.	
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well. it is related.
 
my solution is to change the business model.
yours might be to have a morning coffee thread.
 
we all have the same ultimate goal. we just do it differently.
that's the beauty of human nature.
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Allow me to share my take on the whole thing. I also feel disgusted by the derailment of threads towards F2P and game is dead attitude accompanied with the throwing around of made up or at least questionable statements assumed as facts.
 
Some of the people posting really do care for the game and for the most part keep those opinions contained within the subject and are respectful. Can only respect those people and their opinions. 
 
I, personally, do not believe you are one of those people (if you were then you would be mindful of pushing people's buttons and being so pushy). However, my personal opinion on that matter is irrelevant.
 
Whenever a F2P point is brought up I (and I am sure many others) feel obliged to chime in. That is because I don't want new players and Carbine/Ncsoft to assume to that population is okay with this.
 
What I encourage people to do is just that. Chime in,state your point clearly, reasonably and respectfully then disengage. Make your presence felt but do not feed into the negativity. That will prevent the threads from growing. Let them ramble away with themselves.	
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			Well, it looks like this thread has run it's course, so I'll close it up. 	
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