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There has been a lot of anticipation for the full launch of WildStar, and a part of the anticipation has been for the unveiling of C.R.E.D.D.
 
We wanted to let players know that we are going to be holding C.R.E.D.D. purchases while we launch WildStar.
 
Simply put, we want to be cautious about the release of C.R.E.D.D. onto the servers. With the free Realm transfers that are going to be happening in the first week, and the opening of additional servers, we want to make sure Realm economies are well underway before we add C.R.E.D.D. into the mix.
 
Don’t worry, we are going to have C.R.E.D.D. available with plenty of time to spare for the 28-day mark. This will give players enough time to earn gold to buy C.R.E.D.D. from other players interested in selling it. 
 
We’ll keep you posted on when everyone can expect C.R.E.D.D to go live. 	
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			Awesome, and it's likely a good idea. Currently I doubt there is enough gold in the economy to really support CREDD. I'm sitting on 1.5 platinum, and I think I'm doing pretty well with that, however I'm sure CREDD will be going for quite a bit more than that. 	
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Gold is only Important in the first few days...which Mean I have to go to China Farmers in order to buy my Gold... Well done :-(
 
CREED's are usless in later dates, as you don't need the gold anymore then.	
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Gold is only Important in the first few days...which Mean I have to go to China Farmers in order to buy my Gold... Well done :-(
 
CREED's are usless in later dates, as you don't need the gold anymore then.
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			To sell it in order to get Gold Legally? :o	
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Dont need gold later on?
 
You plan on never dying and having to repair or buying anything?
 
No plans for mounts? lol
 
 
Gold is needed in greater amounts at end game then any requirements earlier on, even if it feels like a hill to overcome for early gold sinks like mounts.
 
You dont NEED to buy gold, you WANT to.
 
Go read some of the guides on fast gold making in some of the trade threads and save your real life money lol
 
 
 
edit: Your last post came while i was typing the above, my post refers to buying gold from a 3rd party right now instead of waiting for CREDD to open up near end of month.	
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			I want to buy credd. I are a sad panda.	
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			Ummm Bait and Switch anyone? They said we'd be able to buy CREDD to extend our game time, and I was looking forward to getting into the market early. Now they're waiting until everyone has tons of plat so the prices will be sky high. Thanks for nothing Carbine.	
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Thanks for the update, it's appreciated.
 
Glad to hear it will be available in time for the second month.	
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			So Rajin there will be new EU servers coming next days?	
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Gold is only Important in the first few days...which Mean I have to go to China Farmers in order to buy my Gold... Well done :-(
 
CREED's are usless in later dates, as you don't need the gold anymore then.
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I'm sure someone, somewhere, is noting your account name and your intentions.
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			lol at the comment about prices being sky high.. a large portion of people would not be selling the CREDD until there was enough money around for it to be worth it surely, why sell it for 50 gold (just an example) when you could wait a bit and get 500 or whatever	
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			Great idea. Thanks for the update! :)	
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Awesome, thanks for the update.
 
I was planning on purchasing once it is available, of course I'll wait till  the price is stable before I acutally sell any.	
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Ummm Bait and Switch anyone? They said we'd be able to buy CREDD to extend our game time, and I was looking forward to getting into the market early. Now they're waiting until everyone has tons of plat so the prices will be sky high. Thanks for nothing Carbine.
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Im a huge fan of this game, there are many aspects to it that I love. That said, its not a perfect game and there are patterns beginning that concern me. First, why was the policy on CREDD not announced from the beginning? Im right back to the claim your name day fiasco, the poor communication there. I cannot say strongly enough, how you handle and communicate information is important. This policy should have been handled long before everybody was worrying and in the dark. 
 
The second subtle pattern, Devs determining what is best for us versus us being able to determine that for ourselves. I know for a fact that a given area is going to come back around and bite WS in an area that Im not going to bring up, cause the Devs have doubled down on it. Six months down the road, we'll see. But with regards to CREDD, fine, you are worried about some migration issues. But beyond that, CREDD should be live. Either you truly believe in this anti gold farmer system or you don't. Either that cool little side by side graphic you put up to sell the idea of CREDD is real, or it was just PR. Telling us you fear its impact on the economy does not sound like a system that you are still behind. Once the technical reasons for not launching CREDD are ironed out, launch it and let us, the player base, decide when its best to buy/sell. 
 
Again, you got a great game and Im super grateful for all your hard work to make this game happen. But its time to let go of the reins a bit. 	
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			Well done. Game economy stability needs to be in place prior to the introduction of this product. That way most people who will farm gold to buy CREDD will know how much they ahve to farm to get the CREDD, pluss it will set the proper expectations for those who sell CREDD to know how much gold they get for their money.	
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CREED's are usless in later dates, as you don't need the gold anymore then.
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			Sounds good and fair.	
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<snip> ..  Either you truly believe in this anti gold farmer system or you don't. Either that cool little side by side graphic you put up to sell the idea of CREDD is real, or it was just PR. Telling us you fear its impact on the economy does not sound like a system that you are still behind. Once the technical reasons for not launching CREDD are ironed out, launch it and let us, the player base, decide when its best to buy/sell.   ...<snip>...
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			Agreed @Jinook, if you are going to put this type of thing in the game, you can not second guess it's effect.  It seems the entire development of this game has been with extreme caution. While I love the game, the last minute communication is a red flag of future things to come.  If there was a technical issue with the release of CREDD then do't hide behind fake concern for the economy. I understand the team has been tight lipped on some of the hacks (creative use of mechanics) going on behind the scenes and maybe just maybe they are more concerned with these issues then they are letting on. Here is hoping there is a better reason for the delay in CREDD.	
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			I honestly think that delaying CREDD is probably a sensible option.  Personally, I don't like the idea of it in general but if the CREDD system is to succeed, the economy needs to be in a place to make it worth players spending real money on it.  There is no point introducing it and then for people to look on some dodgy Chinese website and find that they can get 3/4x the amount of gold for their money.  I also do accept the point that players want to start buying their CREDD in game now though, it makes sense, it will be cheaper for them.	
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			This doesn't sound like second guessing, it sounds like it is being implemented in an intelligent way that is fair for both sides of the transaction.  Thank you for the update.	
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that is fair for both sides of the transaction.
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Awesome, and it's likely a good idea. Currently I doubt there is enough gold in the economy to really support CREDD. I'm sitting on 1.5 platinum, and I think I'm doing pretty well with that, however I'm sure CREDD will be going for quite a bit more than that. 
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			This much crying over CREDD now, can't wait to see the tears flow when it's released.	
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Ummm Bait and Switch anyone? They said we'd be able to buy CREDD to extend our game time, and I was looking forward to getting into the market early. Now they're waiting until everyone has tons of plat so the prices will be sky high. Thanks for nothing Carbine.
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How is this even close to "Bait and Switch"?
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I think this is going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. You predict that CREDD may harm the economy and your very actions may bring that about.
 
The longer you wait to release CREDD the more the anticipation and nerd-raging and neurotic anxiety about it is going to build. So when it finally does drop the price will be very artificially inflated. People want what they can't have, whether they need it or not. With less than a full month for people to find out how much they need to buy CREDD and harvest up enough to pay for it, sellers will be able to command premium prices because the player's who want to buy them will be desperate.
 
And before people start going all Adam Smith and market equilibrium and all of that on me, remember that you're talking about something that outside of the game can only be obtained with real-world currency (which people have limited access to), and is being sold for artificial currency in-game (which people theoretically have unlimited access to). Market forces will play a part in all of this (especially looked at over the long run), but there will not be an exact analog with real-world markets.
 
Unfortunately, it seems on this particular issue Carbine has painted themselves into a corner. If they never release CREDD (or wait months to release it) they will enrage a lot of people and possibly even expose themselves to class action lawsuits. And the longer they wait in the current billing cycle to release CREDD, the more harm it may have on the game economy.	
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blah blah blah..
 
Their logic has merit. That is -all- one can do at this moment. Stick to the theory behind it. And it is a good one.
Also, considering the days lost due to queues, the transfers of people and needs to start over for those that did -not- wait for the transfers and merely rerolled..as i see it and as i said, perfect sense. Give them a few extra days, then bring it up.
 
If and when this goes sour, it will be only due to:
1) its pricing not being what would be ideal for the game's (not NCSoft's) well being
2) reality proves them wrong in regards to inflation prevention measures, replayability, long term worth of mats, etc
3) chinese sellers prove smarter, or faster in accommodating
 
Neither of which may be debated now. No facts :)	
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I have only one theory behind why they are delaying CREDD, and it's based on information I have not been able to confirm.
 
1. CREDD I assume is account bound. However, in order to put in on the AH/CX (whichever it ends up being) it needs to be turned into an in-game object on a specific character.
2. Being on a specific character it can now be placed on the AH/CX.
3. Free realm transfers are currently active, and AFAIK you do not get back items on the AH/CX if you transfer while they are there.(This needs confirmation)
 
IF, and only IF, point #3 holds true than the real reason NCSoft is delaying CREDD may have more to due with preemptively avoiding a certain type of support call. That being that certain idiots (and you know it would happen) would put CREDD up on the AH/CX then use the realm transfer before retrieving their CREDD and thereby losing it until support can (hopefully) do something about it.
 
If #3 is false than this whole theory goes out the window.
 
Necrolath	
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You cannot have pending mail, auctions, commodity orders, or CREDD orders 
So no transfers for them. The question is if you can cancel CREDD orders (buy and sell) instantly.
 
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This will give players enough time to earn gold   (from OP)
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			I think the reality is that only an idiot would try to sell CREDD rightly now since in most games you get several thousand gold for $20.00.	
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OK Carbine.
 
People have transferred. Economies are stable. Time to release the hounds (well the CREDD anyway).
 
Come on. Do it!	
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I am starting to get really angry that this mechanic is being postponed.
 
Part of why I started playing this game was because I "knew" I could spend more time doing what I like with the limited time I have instead of having to grind for gold.
 
Yet here I am.  3 days after launch.  Having to grind for gold.  Not doing what I want to do.
 
I have some disposable income but not enough time to do what I want to do in game while managing resources.
 
I am not a happy panda.	
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I am starting to get really angry that this mechanic is being postponed.
 
Part of why I started playing this game was because I "knew" I could spend more time doing what I like with the limited time I have instead of having to grind for gold.
 
Yet here I am.  3 days after launch.  Having to grind for gold.  Not doing what I want to do.
 
I have some disposable income but not enough time to do what I want to do in game while managing resources.
 
I am not a happy panda.
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Did you post in the right thread?  Because this one is about CREDD, CREDD is a way for people to pay for game time with gold.  Not sure why you're complaining, no one is forcing you to grind for gold, bro; and due to this mechanic being postponed (the mechanic being CREDD which requires gold) should make you feel LESS like you have to grind for gold, not the opposite.  I suppose what you're really complaining about is not having enough time to play the game?  Because you have to pay for it with a subscription?  I don't get it.
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Nah, this is not official forums and nah, there are no devs/gm`s/cs ppl here, and nah, he is not saying he will do illegal thing that will get him banned....
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Did you notice who wrote the very first post?
 
Or were you just being sarcastic? :P
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In case Sherlock meant he wanted to sell CREDD to not have to grind the gold then here's the other side of how no CREDD yet is messing with (some) ppl that plan to buy it:
 
 
No idea how much we will need now and because of it I sold everything (no salvage, gimped crafting), spent more time than I would have AH-ing things (and all things I was keeping for alts), walked for 10 levels instead of getting a Trask (that I still want), got no bank upgrades. It's just gonna be overall more (much more) effort to get to the starting price now (and yea the fact that it will stabilize for the next cycle after the next cycle doesn't matter, wanted an easier time NOW, at least one time).
 
This whole thing is grind-y enough. Yea yea some of you are nostalgic for WoW vanilla farming, well bugger that, if it has good combat and bosses **** you up why do you also need to spend 12 grinding rep by repeatedly stealth>ambush>stealth>ambush>stun>ambush - killing of mobs to unlock the chance to get ****** by said hard bosses - which is the fun part...and all this after lvling from questing while doing exactly that same thing for 40 hours even if the quest texts are funny...sometimes...). Nope...gotta cram in gold farming + AH stalking (which is also displaying 17g buyout on items that are actually 3s if you have the guts to press buy) right from the start along with the questing and saving every bronze and not buying anything you don't need right now or no cheaper CREDD for you (or none at all by the looks of it, because of the delay) because lots of other ppl are doing that for longer while you might not want to (and could have managed without in the 1st month or so).	
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Im a huge fan of this game, there are many aspects to it that I love. That said, its not a perfect game and there are patterns beginning that concern me. First, why was the policy on CREDD not announced from the beginning? Im right back to the claim your name day fiasco, the poor communication there. I cannot say strongly enough, how you handle and communicate information is important. This policy should have been handled long before everybody was worrying and in the dark. 
 
The second subtle pattern, Devs determining what is best for us versus us being able to determine that for ourselves. I know for a fact that a given area is going to come back around and bite WS in an area that Im not going to bring up, cause the Devs have doubled down on it. Six months down the road, we'll see. But with regards to CREDD, fine, you are worried about some migration issues. But beyond that, CREDD should be live. Either you truly believe in this anti gold farmer system or you don't. Either that cool little side by side graphic you put up to sell the idea of CREDD is real, or it was just PR. Telling us you fear its impact on the economy does not sound like a system that you are still behind. Once the technical reasons for not launching CREDD are ironed out, launch it and let us, the player base, decide when its best to buy/sell. 
 
Again, you got a great game and Im super grateful for all your hard work to make this game happen. But its time to let go of the reins a bit. 
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Ummm Bait and Switch anyone? They said we'd be able to buy CREDD to extend our game time, and I was looking forward to getting into the market early. Now they're waiting until everyone has tons of plat so the prices will be sky high. Thanks for nothing Carbine.
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Gold is only Important in the first few days...which Mean I have to go to China Farmers in order to buy my Gold... Well done :-(
 
CREED's are usless in later dates, as you don't need the gold anymore then.
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Hey, here's why I think CREDD needs to be added soon. If it isn't, the economy will suffer due to hoarding of gold and speculation:
 
Because CREDD isn't being sold yet, people are hoarding gold in speculation. Many people are relying on CREDD to pay their subscription, so to be safe they're hoarding as much gold as possible. They aren't buying decor from players, they aren't buying their amps from anyone, they're just selling and holding. They're dumping everything they get in anticipation of CREDD.
When we have no idea how much CREDD will go for, hoarding is natural-better safe than sorry. Because so many people are hoarding gold, items are hardly worth anything. Most crafting materials are going for vendor price, meaning its better to just throw them away to an npc instead of another player.
 
The longer Carbine waits to release credd, the worse the problem will get. If they wait too long, it'll be a disaster. If too much gets hoarded, the moment they release credd, there will be massive inflation. All the gold that was originally hoarded will be dumped onto the market in the hands of the CREDD sellers, who will use their newly obtained gold to purchase items from others. This will push up prices dramatically due to the increase in money supply.
 
Once people pay off their first month, and realize the prices aren't too bad for CREDD, they may stop hoarding as they realize they can afford to buy stuff in addition to their credd. But if Carbine waits until the last week to make it available, the prices will be absurd due to hundreds of plat being hoarded by thousands of players, and it will overload the economy.	
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OMFG the developers of the game have put the interest of the overall stable game economy over your "get rich quick" schemes.
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Ah ha!  That would explain why EVE Online's PLEX and Rift's REX weren't in very high demand in-game....Oh, wait....
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I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but a lot of the posts in this thread quite frankly sicken me.
 
This whole "I'm mad cause I couldn't get into the market when it was impossible for someone to have a significant amount of currency so the prices would be lower" line of thinking is just really, really, messed up. The only impression I get from this is "I'm upset because I couldn't cheat or scam someone out of 20 dollars and this isn't fair that the company foiled my plans to steal irl money from people. Those that fall from my scam deserve no consideration because they fell for it without knowing how much easier it is to get money later game because the game just launched and I was in beta and they weren't."
 
You should be ashamed of yourselves.  Plain and simple. To label it as bait and switch because you couldn't scam people is just... really, really, really, really, messed up with no concern for other human beings. "This person is less informed than me so I should be allowed to basically steal 20 dollars from them because they didn't know any better" is absolutely not cool. Make no mistake, I wanted to buy CREDD day one, because I was planning  on writing an article for a wildstar site I write for about it and it's selling process, the market, etc. Am I disappointed that it wasn't released at launch? Yeah, sure, because now I have to wait to do the research to write my article. Does it make a lot of sense to delay from any remotely sensible point of view? Absolutely.
 
Being angry and accusing of bait and switch because you didn't get a chance to cheat people out of 20 dollars isn't... right. I don't know if those of you touting this mantra are actually good or bad people irl, I really don't mean to directly insult anyone here, I'm really trying to be as nice about this as possible in case you never really fully considered what it was you were trying to do. But as the old saying goes, "evil only triumphs when good men stand by and do nothing". That said, frankly, your behavior in this circumstance is, at least in my eyes, shameful in every sense of the word. It's a street hustler mentality that personally, I feel has no appropriate place in this community or any community of any kind for that matter. There's a reason that sort of thing is illegal in most places. Maybe that doesn't matter to you, maybe you are a good person who just didn't think about it that way. I don't know, I don't know you, but I do know what some people wrote about the circumstances and frankly, it makes me feel very, very, very, sad and bit disgusted as well.
 
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like I'm on some moral high horse, I've done plenty of VERY bad things in my life that I regret. I'm no saint, I'm DEFINITELY not holier than thou, I'm no high ground Superman. Yet despite that, the idea of being upset because you didn't get to essentially steal 20 dollars from someone, to me is just.... not cool. Not. Cool. 
 
The only people in this thread that have had a legitimate argument against this decision (which I feel is wise tbh, having run many an MMO server in my time), are the ones who were literally willing to pay 20 dollars for an easy mount and early crafting leveling. Yet at the same time, I wonder if these individuals are truly aware of the extent the acquisition of gold in this game accelerates as you level up.  Especially when I personally earned about 16 gold after buying my mount at level 15 after two more levels and it's only snowballed from there. I can earn 10 gold in a few minutes and I'm still in the 30s.
 
How would you feel if it was your first time playing an mmo and you sold credd for 1 plat only to find out that you could earn that much in a few minutes/couple of hours after less than a week of leveling? Not playing an MMO before or not having beta knowledge of the game is not justification to say, "these people are stupid and deserve to be ripped off.". Not to mention, let's say they were stupid. Sure, okay. On what planet is it okay to take advantage of the mentally deficient? (don't say Nexus or I'll have to throw a brick at you)
 
For those of you speculating there's some hidden conspiracy or technical reason CREDD isn't being sold yet that Carbine isn't telling us, you too are misinformed and that's no reason to look berate you. But, I would like to kindly correct you.
 
Besides helping newbs not get scammed, there is a MUCH MORE VITAL reason CREDD is not being sold yet until the economies stabilize. It's BECAUSE of people whining about queues about an MMO that just launched. So, Carbine, trying to be as gracious and reasonable as possible, not only offered free server transfers, but here's the clincher, ALSO OPENED MORE SERVERS.
 
It would be IRRESPONSIBLE for Carbine to allow CREDD selling right now. One, there's no baseline established for pricing, so the prices could be anywhere. More so, there would be NOTHING to stop a a 200+ man guild or so from selling CREDD on an older and extremely high population server(s) like Pergo, Widow, etc. (whose economy would already be fairly large because Goonsquad, reddit, etc etc.) and then transferring to a newly opened server and annihilating it's economy day one because they basically showed up on the server as soon as it opened at level 40+ with tons of plat thx to their free server transfer that Carbine graciously gave to everyone to alleviate the queues. The market would get inflated immediately on that server, destroying the server's economy and the viability of playing on it, creating a massive disincentive to transfer from a full pop server to a low pop server. Worse, anyone who was remotely new at the game or was just starting would find themselves essentially unable to viably purchase goods from the AH/CX because the absurd influx of thousands of gold, if not more flooding into the infant economy, causing outrageous levels of inflation and ruining the game for everyone involved.
 
So no, there's no conspiracy, no hidden technical issue. In case you haven't noticed, Carbine has never once straight up lied to us (no bullshit policy) and the problem with name servers was a technical problem that could not have been reasonably foreseen without being psychic (not going into go into the technical reasons why, if you want to know or call me out on that, pm me or open a new thread or something, it doesn't belong in a CREDD thread or just read this fantastic level of communication from Carbine that seems to be ignored for some reason), so why would they randomly start now? Especially since it'd be much easier to explain it away with "oh lol it bugged we're fixing it first" than actually stating the real reason. That reason of course being that it'd ruin the game forever by breaking the early game economy and establishing absurd baseline prices on newer servers for any and all goods, something those servers would likely never truly recover from and creating a precedent that would surely spill over onto other servers.
 
Anyway, that's my piece on it. I hope I didn't offend anybody by speaking my mind on the issue, my hope was to enlighten those that may not of realized they were wanting to do something kind of morally messed up because they didn't fully consider it. Of course, those that were looking to do something morally messed up with full knowledge that it was a really messed up thing to do....
 
Well, those guys are just..... really, really, not cool. The uncoolest of the uncool and I'm not sharing any of my cupcakes with them. >=O	
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			C.R.E.E.D , gona be sell on Mayor retailers? in example, Amazon?	
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C.R.E.E.D , gona be sell on Mayor retailers? in example, Amazon?
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Let me be clear:  I want to sell CREDD.
 
As for being cheated if I sold CREDD days ago for a platinum or two less than it goes for in the future? SO EFFING WHAT.
 
The whole reason I want to buy and sell CREDD is because my time is worth a hell of a lot more than having to grind gold.  I know that may rub some people the wrong way, but I work 60 or 70 hours some weeks.  I don't have time for this mess.
 
I would have /gladly/ sold a CREDD for 100 or 200 gold even  yesterday fully knowing that they will go for a plat or two or whatever soon.
 
So... all you folks who aren't actually going to sell CREDD, please stop white knighting the folks who want to buy and sell it.  You don't know what you're talking about at all.
 
If the Devs don't introduce CREDD soon like they /said/ they would on launch day, I am going to get even more pissed than I already am and I might just drop the game altogether.
 
I do not have the time to sink into the game like I will need to in order to enjoy it the way I want to without being able to buy and sell CREDD.	
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We’ll keep you posted on when everyone can expect C.R.E.D.D to go live. 
 
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are the ones who were literally willing to pay 20 dollars for an easy mount and early crafting leveling
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Don't know what Rift you'e talking about because any night I log on I can easily sell 5 x REX from 900 - 1000 plat each. It's still in demand, mostly in chat
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Hey, here's why I think CREDD needs to be added soon. If it isn't, the economy will suffer due to hoarding of gold and speculation:
 
Because CREDD isn't being sold yet, people are hoarding gold in speculation. Many people are relying on CREDD to pay their subscription, so to be safe they're hoarding as much gold as possible. They aren't buying decor from players, they aren't buying their amps from anyone, they're just selling and holding. They're dumping everything they get in anticipation of CREDD.
When we have no idea how much CREDD will go for, hoarding is natural-better safe than sorry. Because so many people are hoarding gold, items are hardly worth anything. Most crafting materials are going for vendor price, meaning its better to just throw them away to an npc instead of another player.
 
The longer Carbine waits to release credd, the worse the problem will get. If they wait too long, it'll be a disaster. If too much gets hoarded, the moment they release credd, there will be massive inflation. All the gold that was originally hoarded will be dumped onto the market in the hands of the CREDD sellers, who will use their newly obtained gold to purchase items from others. This will push up prices dramatically due to the increase in money supply.
 
Once people pay off their first month, and realize the prices aren't too bad for CREDD, they may stop hoarding as they realize they can afford to buy stuff in addition to their credd. But if Carbine waits until the last week to make it available, the prices will be absurd due to hundreds of plat being hoarded by thousands of players, and it will overload the economy.
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My issue with CREDD and any system like this is that it skews the economy, either by having people hoarding the gold like others have said, just because of the promise of that type of currency, or by creating inflation.
 
I have seen this in Star Trek Online and the Zen currency. This is what I saw happening:
 
1. Prices go very low on one end of the "sales spectrum" - this is partly due to a global AH and fast levelling, partly due to Zen
2. Prices shoot sky high on the other end of the "sales spectrum" - this is because of the Zen
 
So for things like gear that drops while leveling up, the prices in credits (the equivalent of normal in game gold in Wildstar) at the AH are very low. So low that sometimes you make more money at the vendors. Why? Many factors, one big server and one AH, fast levelling means you don't hold onto stuff for long, generally not worth spending thousands for something you are going to use for 5 minutes. Aside from that even when levelling being slowed down a bit (they made a certain event that granted bonus XP happen a lot less frequently), why would I spend credits for something temporary, especially if I got them with real money? I ain't buying your filthy phaser for that much, I'll buy it a lot cheaper or not at all. I am spending my big bucks on the big stuff.
 
Then you get the rare stuff. Obviously the rare stuff has to be more expensive. But if you think that a weapon might cost you 1.5 million credits, and then something you find in a lock box might cost you 100 million, you might start feeling priced out. The only way you can hoard that much money is by buying the Zen, buy the keys with the Zen, sell the keys, get the credits. And because people will do that and things do get sold for that absurd amount of money, the prices keep going up. The point is also that the rare stuff isn't actually rare anymore. The AH has very long listings of these "luxury items" due to the fact that you can get them with real money fairly easily ("easily" here is relative to your income I guess).
 
I know of a friend who works full time. So he didn't necessarily play more than I did. He did, a bit, but not that much more, as we both have full time jobs. When asked how much he spent in the game he came up with a figure that was worryingly close to 10k dollars. He had all the new things, the best equipment, etc., because he could spend his real money on that. I have a lifetime membership, have bought a lot of stuff myself, I have a decent kit (or well, had at the time) but still wasn't close to the amount of stuff that guy had.
 
Now I get it, Star Trek Online is free to play. Free to play these days means you get more out of the game the more you pay. Yes theoretically you could get everything you want to get in STO with in game money. In practice that is not true.  I know of another friend who plays it pretty much full time, doesn't spend much real money, and cannot afford all the things that this other friend can get, he can't afford to have what I have either, simply because the prices are so high that he gets priced out.
 
The CREDDs are supposed to help both the person with money and no time and the person with no money and a lot of time. When you look at the same system in STO, that doesn't actually happen. The fact that you can get a lifetime membership or still have a subscription in that game has no bearing whatsoever.
 
In a free to play game I can see the fairness in the freeloader getting less things because he's being "sustained" by the guys who pay. In a subscription based game I don't think I would appreciate having to pay the sub AND get priced out of stuff. I want to be able to get everything, with the right amount of effort and that doesn't mean grinding all day, but I don't want loot to be thrown at me a la WOW. This is why I play a subscription game. This is why I have started to hate the "free to play" games and hope that the good games return to a subscription based model as it comes out a lot cheaper.
 
I love that Wildstar is a subscription model. But I fear the existence of CREDD will turn it into a "free-to-sub" game where once again the guy who spends the most real life money wins. The risk here is winding up in a game that didn't label itself as "free to play" because of the negative connotations, but that in actual fact IS a "free to play" game in disguise.	
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I would have /gladly/ sold a CREDD for 100 or 200 gold even  yesterday fully knowing that they will go for a plat or two or whatever soon.
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Except this isn't anything close to SW or GW2...you can only buy CREDD with RL money and you can only do one thing with CREDD (sell it => same amount of money goes back in the same economy), you can't buy keys and sell those for millions of gold or the like and there are no new items introduced that will cost insane amounts being RL money only.
 
The only disadvantage is we might need steeper gold sinks (there will be some inflation), maybe, at the higher level (if it's done right. You don't need the guy playing 1h a day to pay 40g to change the sky on his housing plot, you need the raider that has 300 platinum have bigger repair bills or something like that, not sure how it works exactly atm).
 
Also for every guy that can't stand F2P and hates it there's 3 that don't want to spend money monthly and are ok with not having every mount variation in-game (assuming it doesn't turn into SW where you have to pay to even access content or have a snowball chance of doing something) and that doesn't even apply here (just saying).
 
As long as you can still buy and sell in-game items for reasonable prices in the AH and Carbine gets lots of 20 euro subs (or 15 if not with CREDD) and the game keeps going with content monthly and without any other things (cosmetic or pay-to-win-like) added that you can only get with RL money it should be enough (unless we are talking hardcore haters that can't stand to play with ppl that can't afford subs because they think most fall in the immature/drooling idiot/scrub category or something).
 
This whole thing is sort of offtopic. 
 
*turns out more stuff is coming out, I guess I'm not done
** 100 g = 1 plat =)) that last one almost made my day...but he's right about the general idea even if wrong by 1 zero	
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So to get this straight for myself an maybe many others:
 
CREDD was promised to be released at official launch, yet it's not implemented in game. WHY? (is the big Q here)	With ingame-gold, players will be able (somewhere in 'near future') to buy CREDD for: A. game-time B. selling it for gold on the broker to other players?  	Will CREDD be only 'sellable' on the broker (what will the broker-fee cost us?), or will we be able to trade/sell direct with players without extra fees?  	Where do we buy CREDD with IRL-money? A. somewhere at the payment/billing-option in your acount or B. will there be a 'cash-shop', where you have to seperately login and buy CREDD?	Making/buying ingame-gold with/from CREDD: A. only possible in game it self or B. spent IRL for CREDD >> exchange straight away in 'cash-shop', without broker interferance. 
Bad or good influence on the economy, we can agree or disagree on that. Carbine announced that this system would be implemented in game, so it will be part of our game-community. If Carbine is worried about releasing CREDD to soon or not on it's 'full capacity', due to the best interest for our economy:
 
Do something first about the huge amounts of gold, which new players (read: that's ALL of us) have to pay to their insane repairs bills (in general) or at least balance it when your L20. At L20 your are: undergeared | payed for your house at L14 | payed for a mount at L15  | whipe lot's of times in first adventure or dungeon, cause game + mechanics are new to all of us	I dunno who is waiting for what, when it comes to our economy: but game is 1 week officially fresh and for 3-4 days my mailbox gets spammed, by 3rd parties Goldselling companies  :angry:  So in the end.... good or bad economy will find their way to our community, one way OR the other as it seems.. (give 'this power' to your WS-community (incl. Carbine as well), instead to 3rd Goldselling parties...)	
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 CREDD was promised to be released at official launch, yet it's not implemented in game. WHY? (is the big Q here) 
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			Apparently, CREDD just went live.	
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uhu sure...
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			C.R.E.E.D is up under the store so stop crying about it	
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			im at work how much is it going for on the AH just asking	
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just for the record:
 
1): the difference between CREDD and chinaman is as of now only 0.10 euro
one euro for 9.417gold ->c.r.e.d.d.
VS 
one euro for 9.550gold ->c.h.i.n.a.
 
that is only 10 cents of a difference, and this is for Archon, and Exiles.
buying from c.h.i.n.a. is a lot cheaper for Dominion and high pop servers, such as hazak or kazzak, whatever its name was.
 
2): for those of us above a certain age and with the equivalent monthly income to show for it, buying ---large--- quantities makes the c.h.i.n.a. a LOT cheaper than the current c.r.e.d.d.
 
I apologise in advance if this comment begets ..well.. the typical answers, but just in the off chance you devs have yet to check the prices out..well here you go :)	
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im at work how much is it going for on the AH just asking
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			My question is ---- why is CREDD $20 USD? 	
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My question is ---- why is CREDD $20 USD? 
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For marketing reasons.
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