120580-moving-from-warhound-to-entity-im-a-bad-person

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			People are upset with me because I keep telling newer players or returning players to go to Entity and not warhound. "we are trying to save the server stop!" Where I am 100% for this normally right now the games population needs to stay together. Why? Simple, the population isnt that large to start with.Till we start seeing more players and players that stay its best to fill 1 server with a bunch of people and allow newer players to group with people, level with random others, etc...Do you know how much I DIDNT want to move to the PvE server? I will admit it was a good call though. It sucks having to flag your self each time you log on but honestly #firstworldproblems I do wish I could always kill the dirty Dominion and smelly Chua but honestly. Id rather have a populated server with people to group with rather then logging on to a depressing host town where its impossible to level a new toon.Im leveling a Engi right now, level 15, and I have seen TONS of lower level players so far. On warhound...maybe 1 or 2 players running around on their mains getting crafting stuff. Ive grouped with over 15 players so far on entity for group quests and such.How do you guys feel about this? Am I wrong for telling people to not go to warhound? Does that really hurt the community? What has been your experiences moving from Warhound to Entity?	
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As a Warhounder that's moved on to Entity, you should know the behavior of directing a new player to Entity is essentially validating the behavior of Entity players from months past, where Warhound was not in such dire straits. There are still functioning guilds on Warhound, and new/returning players who consistently log on due to the hype as we saw on reddit a week or so ago (before the "I'm leaving to Entity" bandwagon posts & reactions). Do not misunderstand, I get why you and everyone else moved. Do I agree with it? Not entirely. But that's you guys' choice and I wish you well until such time we meet again. All we ask is you allow players to choose, the worst that can happen is they will transfer off to Entity anyways. Until then, our remaining guilds will continue to seek lowbies and help them find community.
 
I queue'd pvp for some fun last nite and I saw literally no difference. Still Gatlike on Dom side with me, still LotD and IA on Exile. By the time I could tell my guildmates that queues were popping, we were sitting in queue for 30min without another match and said f it.  We also queued some 2's with guildies for random drunken fun and it took 40min before someone other than a guildmate entered the fray. Same horse, different color.	
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As a Warhounder that's moved on to Entity, you should know the behavior of directing a new player to Entity is essentially validating the behavior of Entity players from months past, where Warhound was not in such dire straits. There are still functioning guilds on Warhound, and new/returning players who consistently log on due to the hype as we saw on reddit a week or so ago (before the "I'm leaving to Entity" bandwagon posts & reactions). Do not misunderstand, I get why you and everyone else moved. Do I agree with it? Not entirely. But that's you guys' choice and I wish you well until such time we meet again. All we ask is you allow players to choose, the worst that can happen is they will transfer off to Entity anyways. Until then, our remaining guilds will continue to seek lowbies and help them find community.
 
I queue'd pvp for some fun last nite and I saw literally no difference. Still Gatlike on Dom side with me, still LotD and IA on Exile. By the time I could tell my guildmates that queues were popping, we were sitting in queue for 30min without another match and said f it.  We also queued some 2's with guildies for random drunken fun and it took 40min before someone other than a guildmate entered the fray. Same horse, different color.
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			I've been doing it as well. Mainly for the same reason you described, but I usually don't have to bring up the fact that warhound is a ghost town, they bring it up themselves :/ Something along the lines of, "Where is everyone? I got to the main city and it's a ghost town." I am no longer sugar coating it as I feel that is hiding behind the problem. I'll give them a break down of what happened, what led to warhound being so empty, and tell them to take the free transfer over to entity. I'd hate for someone's experience to be playing on an empty server, quitting the game, and then letting people know they only saw about 4 other people their entire game time. Sure on entity low level zones are still kinda empty but compared to warhound....yeah. I know there are some PvP players who are trying to "sell" the option to come to PvP but I think some people just want to be on a populated server. And as much as I know I'll be flamed for the following statement idc here it is...remember before the free transfers were implemented? When tony looked right at the camera during one of wildstar's twitch streams, and sorta cringed and said, the Devs are happy with each server population (something along the lines, the clip is on YouTube.) we all know his strings were being pulled to say this for whatever reason. The community made it vocally clear that they were not happy with their server population. This is what I see when I see these PvP recruiters...them basically cringing and saying, "this place is awesome." :/	
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I've been doing it as well. Mainly for the same reason you described, but I usually don't have to bring up the fact that warhound is a ghost town, they bring it up themselves :/ Something along the lines of, "Where is everyone? I got to the main city and it's a ghost town." I am no longer sugar coating it as I feel that is hiding behind the problem. I'll give them a break down of what happened, what led to warhound being so empty, and tell them to take the free transfer over to entity. I'd hate for someone's experience to be playing on an empty server, quitting the game, and then letting people know they only saw about 4 other people their entire game time. Sure on entity low level zones are still kinda empty but compared to warhound....yeah. I know there are some PvP players who are trying to "sell" the option to come to PvP but I think some people just want to be on a populated server. And as much as I know I'll be flamed for the following statement idc here it is...remember before the free transfers were implemented? When tony looked right at the camera during one of wildstar's twitch streams, and sorta cringed and said, the Devs are happy with each server population (something along the lines, the clip is on YouTube.) we all know his strings were being pulled to say this for whatever reason. The community made it vocally clear that they were not happy with their server population. This is what I see when I see these PvP recruiters...them basically cringing and saying, "this place is awesome." :/
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Qs are cross Realm so it doesnt matter what server you are on.
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I understand, I'm just saying that the move has done nothing to encourage more PvErs to PvP than already were queueing before, which was a small amount.
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Well I would like to add I know their hearts are in a good place, they care about the game and don't want people who enjoy PvP to feel this game is not for them. I sympathize with them. My first week on Entity was awful :/ I felt like I got lazy not having to stay on my toes waiting for the inevitable gank. The lack of satisfaction of impaling those smug Aurin out in CB, NW not realizing they were on Dominion territory. :/ I wanted nothing more than to transfer to warhound, when the free transfers were implemented I did just that, I sent over my stalker and warhound looked just like Rowsdower did before I transferred over to Pergo, a ghost town. :(
 
I see the argument being thrown around as well, that if you leave the PvP server you probably won't come back, as it's not a temporary stay. I've actually put a lot of thought into this...
The reason everyone is on entity is because this game lacks a population, I think we're all in agreement with that. So, we need more people in order to restore the PvP server and not turn entity into a PvP exodus. So I always figured if wildstar ever makes it to that free demo stage where people can come in and try it out for free, it would be in the best interest for everyone who wants to play on warhound to level an Alt on warhound at that time. During this phase I think it would be our best shot to start again, a new warhound, with fresh new life.
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This is something I dont understand. Im having a discussion on reddit with one of them as we speak.
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Sounds like Doms had to move atleast. Frankly I'm bummed. Haven't played since I heard people were leaving for Entity, and it sucks to know that it'll take months for a pvp server to return.
 
-Lord Plecko	
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No, you arnt a bad person
 
Yes, everyone did see this coming
 
No, by everyone i do not mean CRB included
 
Yes, it is weird i'm answering imaginary questions
 
No, this is the last one	
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New players starting on Warhound will have a very negative leveling experience due to low pop. This could cause them to quit keeping the game low pop which is of course bad.
 
Having them come to a fuller server, increases the leveling experience and may encourage them to stay which is what's best for the game	
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Sounds like Doms had to move atleast. Frankly I'm bummed. Haven't played since I heard people were leaving for Entity, and it sucks to know that it'll take months for a pvp server to return.
 
-Lord Plecko
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I understand, I'm just saying that the move has done nothing to encourage more PvErs to PvP than already were queueing before, which was a small amount.
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What's sad is the core game is so amazing and wildstar could be hugely popular, but dumb decisions and stubbornness to stick to plans that aren't working have caused so many people to leave. Carbine has always taken the 1 step forward 2 steps back approach and I will never understand it.
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MEANWHILE IN EU:
 
Dominion side, POTATO is doing quite well. We have new levelling people joining every week. Regardless of all the horrible things people say about "if people join luminai they'll quit bla bla bla, you're ruining the game bla bla bla" all I have to say is, come join us for a week and see how bad the community is :)
 
Please, if you are a nice person and are seeing people asking about Lumi on the forums, point them to this website: http://omnomnompotato.enjin.com
We can also help exiles out finding contacts exile side, we have lots of contacts there and keep a close knit community.
 
PvP might be dead at the moment, but people are still having fun.
 
I hope for NA's sake, someone decides to bear the brunt of carrying on Warhound. I'm sad that you guys gave in! :c	
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Sometimes when reading MMO forums I get extremely uncomfortable. People act as if a server is one big family and if someone leaves its an absolute disaster.
 
Its a computer game in a virtual world, people are not back stabbing or stepping on anyones toes by moving to another server.
 
Let people do what they want, when they want and let them talk about it too. End of topic	
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			Just. Come. ENTITY. :)	
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I'm really sad it's come to this point. Luminai.. Now Warhound. I understand we're kind of in a limbo in terms of content. Drop 3's been out for a while, and Drop 4 isn't really going to address all PvP issues (which would attract more PvPers to return). I'm still hopeful Drop 4 will bring new and returning players to try out the game and hopefully it'll normalize the servers... Never know.
 
Either way... Entity is welcoming you with open arms. :)
 
Edit: I also don't think it's wrong of Baz to tell new players to join Entity. Most are probably even unaware they can transfer before they quit, or just assume the other server has the same population issues.
It's better to lead them where they'll have a more positive leveling experience (so that hopefully they'll stay for the long run) and THEN, if they so desire.. Move to a PvP server. Just my opinion.	
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			I wonder if there are as many lvling doms as there are exiles	
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I wonder if there are as many lvling doms as there are exiles
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I used to tell new people to give Warhound a try - because a month or so ago, the population wasn't so bad. 
 
Now - with my guild being one of the only guilds left on the server - it's noticeably sad in Thayd and not something I want to have a new player see when they first start this game. Telling a freshie to roll on Warhound is almost cruel and completely selfish. Unless you want to personally hold their hand and make groups for them to feel like they are playing a MASSIVELY multiplayer online game, they're just not going to be satisfied, and we're going to lose out on another potential player to the low pop monster.
 
It's depressing - but I want the game to succeed and it's not going to grow if people see the desolate ghost town that is Warhound.	
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ok third attempt, having some tech issues where post now showing up :wacko: seems to have to do if I try to quote...
 
You're not in the wrong as you have the right to express your opinion, it's not like its hate speech.
 
I also transferred to Entity from Warhound and have zero regrets. I'm finally in a terrific guild and having tons of fun. I do miss OWPVP but it still exists on Entity for the naysayers.
 
The other day I was doing dailies in NW when a bunch of stinky exiles rolled in flagged. A call on Dommie side zone chat went out for people to also flag. So people keep flagging!	
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I think you would be a bad person if you were insisting people stay on Warhound at this point.
 
I mean honestly, what kind of guild leader / community leader would insist people stay on the dead server?  Shouldn't they be looking out for the good of their guild?
 
I could be biased though, as an exclusive PvPer, I've gone the entire game without guild buffs and don't really see them as anything but a perk (which is what they're called, isn't it?)	
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I think you would be a bad person if you were insisting people stay on Warhound at this point.
 
I mean honestly, what kind of guild leader / community leader would insist people stay on the dead server?  Shouldn't they be looking out for the good of their guild?
 
I could be biased though, as an exclusive PvPer, I've gone the entire game without guild buffs and don't really see them as anything but a perk (which is what they're called, isn't it?)
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			You're not a bad person for moving, nor for telling people to go to entity instead of warhound. Potatoes is the last guild on dominion Luminai, and tbh, at this point I think I spreak for all potatoes when I say we'd love to transfer but moving would force us for remaking the guild again, losing all effort we have put into it. I don't think we're ready for that yet.So waiting for drop 4, hoping things will change and if not well I guess we'd discuss moving with our potatoes once again. I run around the lower level zones to pick up any new players, I invite them to the guild and explain the server situation. This is my way of trying to hopefully stop them from leaving (the game not the guild), we encourage them to move to jabbit if they don't find what they are looking for on Luminai. However so far, we have new potatoes everyday and most are really sticking with us, wich is heartwarming. But at the same time it brings guilt, guilt of keeping people on a dead server. We also have wonderful guildies that move alts to jabbit and plunder the AH for when people are in the need or certain items. We try our best to hang on in there.. But all in all, it is exhausting, frustrating and painful. What to do.. what to do. 	
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			^^^ You could also make a guild on Jabbit, and invite a lot of lowbies to farm influence while you wait to transfer, lol	
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What Vanelope said.
 
We're not selfish for staying, but it is getting to the point now where I and my officers are giving up on Luminai, it does make us feel guilty for keeping newer players, but they are understanding. If we could transfer the guild as a whole we would, put simply. I feel selfish for leaving, in all honesty... because it means I'm giving up on something that as a guild, we decided together.
 
If we were not on Luminai, there would be no one to save new players who roll there (without any influence from the forums or reddit) either into our guild or onto Jabbit (funny isn't it, the last guild here encourage people to move to the bigger server, yet be called selfish lol) So as much as people think we are stupid for staying our main goal is mainly community spirit and having fun, and if they can't have it on Luminai, then on Jabbit.
 
I'm on the verge to writing a letter to the carbine team, the loss of the Warhound population (with the events and everything that is normally running) has really hit at home for us on Luminai Dominion, and a lot of us are really in between two minds now. I kind of felt okay a few days ago, but with reflection time and having spoken to my officers, we're finally actually worried about our guild's survival.
 
Also, I know if we move to Jabbit, I'm pretty sure a few people will not welcome us as warmly as others who have moved previously. That is not something I am looking forward to if it ever happens. 
 
My opinions are my own, and not that of my whole guild.	
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Also, I know if we move to Jabbit, I'm pretty sure a few people will not welcome us as warmly as others who have moved previously. That is not something I am looking forward to if it ever happens. 
 
My opinions are my own, and not that of my whole guild.
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			There are so many new levelers, I wish this move could've waited (though it seems like it couldn't have) - in the event something indicates a population return, will there be any plans/interest in a Move Back date? 	
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There are so many new levelers, I wish this move could've waited (though it seems like it couldn't have) - in the event something indicates a population return, will there be any plans/interest in a Move Back date?
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