117114-could-a-chat-translator-be-possible

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Now that we have mega-servers, there are a lot more people around to talk to. That's good. However, that also means there are no more German and French servers here in Europe. While that's not 'bad', it does give us an interesting problem: How are we supposed to talk to each other?
 
So I give you... Final Fantasy XIV. The chat-system in that game has a little translator built in, so if I were to talk to a German player, he would write in German, and I would see it in English. Likewise, I could type in English, and he would see it in German. Of course we're talking Google-translate, but it's enough to understand each other with ease. So why not do something like that in Wildstar too? I keep seeing guild-invites for French and German guilds, so wouldn't it be nice if we could join them? That would also take care of the language-bickering in zone-chat in Thayd. :p	
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more simple could be to be able to copy&paste text from the chat window (and put it into translating machines!)
 
But either way would be helpful for many of us.	
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			While a copy&paste work on paper, it's not exactly efficient in a conversation. Especially not if there are several people with several languages, like in a guild-chat. ;)	
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			German and French could just speak english? Like everyone else do. Problem solved. 	
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			It's a cool idea but in an active environment it's unrealistic, as it would pretty much require everyone typing to have perfect grammar and spelling...all the time.  Yeah...that's not gonna happen.	
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			Quote me if I'm wrong ,but wasn't FFXiV's "translator" quick define message that could be translated?	
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Babel fish ... we need Babel fish. <_<
 
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Now that we have mega-servers, there are a lot more people around to talk to. That's good. However, that also means there are no more German and French servers here in Europe. While that's not 'bad', it does give us an interesting problem: How are we supposed to talk to each other?
 
So I give you... Final Fantasy XIV. The chat-system in that game has a little translator built in, so if I were to talk to a German player, he would write in German, and I would see it in English. Likewise, I could type in English, and he would see it in German. Of course we're talking Google-translate, but it's enough to understand each other with ease. So why not do something like that in Wildstar too? I keep seeing guild-invites for French and German guilds, so wouldn't it be nice if we could join them? That would also take care of the language-bickering in zone-chat in Thayd. :P
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German and French could just speak english? Like everyone else do. Problem solved. 
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One of the biggest problem imo, is that 90% of them speaks english, but they just refuse to do it. WHY? 
So weird mentality. 	
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One of the biggest problem imo, is that 90% of them speaks english, but they just refuse to do it. WHY? 
So weird mentality. 
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I'm in a german guild and our guild announcements are in german cause that's the language we use in raids.
Of course when we are grouped randomly with any other players we write english.
 
I'd say if you can't understand an announcement, you're not what the guild is looking for and this text is not directed to you.	
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			Just for this reason i refuse to play on EU servers in any game. I cant stand seeing people talking in chat in their own languages. Im in europe myself, sweden, and i wouldnt dream of talking in swedish in main chat. I just dont get why people do that. So i always play on US servers and always will.	
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Would you prefer to play games speaking the language you're most comfortable in, the one you've spent your entire life and continue to spend your life inundated in, or would you prefer to play games speaking a foreign language you may know but may not be completely fluent in (and not everyone actually knows the language)? It's pretty obvious to me why groups of people who all share the same language prefer to speak their native language to each other.
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I do not agree. But as i said, the problem is most of them can the language, but they just refuse to do it, because they are too "proud" of whatever lame excuise they have.
 
Even if I had the possibility to play the game (Both client and server) in my own language, i wouldnt do it. The same with guild. Why isolate you so much? 
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It's a cool idea but in an active environment it's unrealistic, as it would pretty much require everyone typing to have perfect grammar and spelling...all the time.  Yeah...that's not gonna happen.
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As I said, FFXIV already has it. ;)
 
 
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I really wonder where you met these people and how you could tell that they're too proud to use english.
 
It's a personal decision to join an international or local guild.
 
What exactly is offending you so much about players who want to use their first language?
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Since Luminai is more or less dead, most of the time, i have to PUG to find a dungoen group. 
And i often get matched with these silent-types. And when I refuse to move any futher before they start talking, we have 5-10 min where no one is doing anything, and i just get these kind of respond:
"French, no english. "
"I can, but dont want to" etc etc. Thats why i hate german and french. + nothing more annoying to see 2 french people in your party, and they are just spamming party chat with their language. 
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I wanted to answer but I think this will go nowhere, so...
 
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LOL
 
I am just stating the fact. 
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I think some people are just unsure of their English skills, and are afraid of being made fun of.Nonetheless, there are people who prefer to talk in their own language. They could do so before on their own servers, so why can't they now on megaservers?
Maybe separate chat channels could bring an improvement....I speak both French and German since those are taught in my country,and the people I talk with are nice people, but they don't know English very well and are more comfortable in their own language.	
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I speak French and German myself as languages, and when I talk with these people because they're looking for a guild, the first response I get to my question if they're willing to consider an English speaking guild is "No, because I don't want to speak English". And I'm more than happy to provide screenshots of that.Why this happens? I don't know. Perhaps it's a mentality issue, perhaps it's selfishness or they genuily can't speak English.
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What?
You can't understand why people search for a guild speaking their own language? To me that's the most reasonable thing to do.
 
I'm fascinated by all these "facts".
 
Many people just don't speak english perfectly and are afraid that they can't communicate efficiantly enough in a raid or party.
 
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			I like that UK is listed at 95%. Guess they weren't confident.	
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			Another solution that no one has mentioned yet is for everyone to learn all languages.  Just throwing it there.	
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I'm sure you know the exact percentage better than the guys who made the map. Every countryside grandma knows english then, fine.
Germans, french and people from great britain are the biggest groups of EU Wildstar players i guess, so that's a reason why it occures often.
 
You said you ask them if they consider joining an english speaking guild and they said no they wanna use their language in a guild.
I read what you wrote and don't find anything wrong with what they answered.
 
I'm not defending those who say they don't wanna speak english in a PUG, that's silly. That's one reason why you don't pug dungeons. I just think most of them don't speak english or at very low level. They don't want to embarrass themselves by talking english wrongly so they don't do at all.	
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I'm not defending those who say they don't wanna speak english in a PUG, that's silly. That's one reason why you don't pug dungeons. 
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			if i can avoid speak english then i will not use eng. Very simple. For me local guild > international guild. So international guild is option only when no any my language guild. And i really wanna know whats communication need in dangeon.	
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if i can avoid speak english then i will not use eng. Very simple. For me local guild > international guild. So uinternational guild is option only when no any my language guild. And i really wanna know whats communication need in dangeon.
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			so just write first cast is mine is big communication? Wanna real communication or not very simple tactic then you need voice chat. But thats not pug option.	
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so just write first cast is mine is big communication? Wanna real communication or not very simple tactic then you need voice chat. But thats not pug option.
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			Olivar you writing in chat during boss fight? 	
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Olivar you writing in chat during boss fight? 
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This reminds me of when Brazil started playing TERA...hehe
 
My only advice is that for people who only speak english maybe learn a couple of phrases to help with communication. Quick brief ones that get straight to the point. In TERA when I played with people from Brazil I had a little cheat sheet for pugs that basically said "do X", "ready?", etc... and same thing for when I play on korean servers and such...
 
I'm not saying learn the entire language, but ya know be a community, try to meet em half way :)
 
My german is very rusty but maybe something like these will help:
Wie geht es Ihnen? = How are you doing?(everyone like to be asked how they're doing, be friendly give a german a hug!
UNTERBRECHEN! = Interrupt, I tend to paste into chat
Ich XXX gehen = I go X. So for example if you wish to go first you'd say Ich zuerst gehen, 2nd=zweite, 3rd=drittel
Gut gemacht ! = Good job, never hurts to encourage
 
 
I hope that helps...someone more fluent in German can correct me, It's my 4th language and I'm still kinda "eh...." speaking it hehe	
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This reminds me of when Brazil started playing TERA...hehe
 
My only advice is that for people who only speak english maybe learn a couple of phrases to help with communication. Quick brief ones that get straight to the point. In TERA when I played with people from Brazil I had a little cheat sheet for pugs that basically said "do X", "ready?", etc... and same thing for when I play on korean servers and such...
 
I'm not saying learn the entire language, but ya know be a community, try to meet em half way :)
 
My german is very rusty but maybe something like these will help:
Wie geht es Ihnen? = How are you doing?(everyone like to be asked how they're doing, be friendly give a german a hug!
UNTERBRECHEN! = Interrupt, I tend to paste into chat
Ich XXX gehen = I go X. So for example if you wish to go first you'd say Ich zuerst gehen, 2nd=zweite, 3rd=drittel
Gut gemacht ! = Good job, never hurts to encourage
 
 
I hope that helps...someone more fluent in German can correct me, It's my 4th language and I'm still kinda "eh...." speaking it hehe
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It's weird to me that you're experiencing this a lot with French and German players, and I can only assume it's because they make up the bulk (along with British) of EU players so of course you're going to get statistically skewed data.
 
I lived in Germany for half a year on a research grant and it was a struggle to get them to ever speak anything but English. xD Unless I was sitting in on a lecture; then it was in German. It was only one demographic of course (graduate students), so not really representative. Just my experience! There was significantly less English-speaking whenever I traveled beyond that bubble.	
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FFXIV ARR does not have a translate function. Just like FFXI did before it, it has the 'auto-translate' feature; which actually is a misnomer, because no translation occurs. You choose phrases in a data bank and it shows them in which ever language a players version is keyed to. 
 
That said, such a system (proscribed phrases in multiple languages) could be added with some effort, but it wouldn't be terribly high on the list IMO.
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I don't know about the mechanics. All I know is I kept seeing those symbols in chat telling me the text has been translated. The mechanics behind it is irrelevant.
 
Don't. Just... don't.
 
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			Give it a few more hundred years and most of the population will be mixed and speaking two languages, but to be somewhat on topic. English is the common language even in the business world because it is just easier for it to be 2nd language for most.	
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*snip*
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And again, how it works is irrelevant. It's there, so there could have been one in Wildstar too, if they had wanted to. But we know there won't be one, so this thread is pointless.
 
Btw you might want to write with a normal font like everyone else if you don't want to be on my ignore-list. Colored fonts are seriously annoying to read.
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How about translator that translates everything you write on chat, in to a french.
No matter if its a whisper, zone or inside a guild, all you see is french.	
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And again, how it works is irrelevant. It's there, so there could have been one in Wildstar too, if they had wanted to. 
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To even suggest people should just speak English rather than their native language is ignorant. People may not see the harm in such a suggestion but please ponder it. How would you like someone suggest to you to just stop speaking English and speak in their native tongue for the simple reason because they didn't like it or don't want to see it? That's some serious entitlement crap.
 
The OPs suggestion to have a translating tool is a good one and does not draw any lines in the sand to create this Us vs Them mentality. I'm not debating whether it's possible or not. It's a good suggestion regardless.	
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The assumption that anyone is going to be forced into speaking another person's language is just ridiculous. Most Americans aren't competent at English, let alone a second language. Why would we have the right to expect or demand that anyone else be multilingual? If anything, we should be grateful that so much of Europe IS multilingual.
 
Trying to be constructive:
 
Don't the current emotes auto-translate into the client's native language when displayed on the screen?
 
If that's the case, then perhaps the stock phrases that have been suggested could be worked in as part of the emote system.	
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Dear fluent english speaking people,
 
A few consideration before the french bashing goes on and on : 
 
1/ German and French (Swedish and so on) people are those making the effort all the time. 
2/ Refusing to join an english speaking guild : you have to feel at home in there, so I guess anyone can understand that.
3/ The famous "L2English noob" during post-wipe chat coming from the guy making the gameplay mistake while someone tries to explain what he did wrong.
4/ I have played with German people during dungeon, I answered in German, just do the same and it will be fine.
5/ German people are pleased even if you can't der die das die (I know this for sure). Same goes with French people, you'll be praised for even trying.
 
Instead of complaining, why don't you speak their language for once ? That's what they always do, even when you don't know. So even if they can and don't want, adapt and speak another language for once !*
 
* if you won't, whatever the reason, why should they ? Be tolerant and consider the effort they do daily. Oh and ask yourself this :  did I even seriously TRY to understand/make a sentence/explain something in their language just ONCE ?
 
@Vick : Korean games often have these premade sentences, it's a good tool for basics. But it's lacking something i can explain well in english. I was surprised by the "thank you" spam you get during group play with them. 	
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Dear fluent english speaking people,
 
A few consideration before the french bashing goes on and on : 
 
1/ German and French (Swedish and so on) people are those making the effort all the time. 
2/ Refusing to join an english speaking guild : you have to feel at home in there, so I guess anyone can understand that.
3/ The famous "L2English noob" during post-wipe chat coming from the guy making the gameplay mistake while someone tries to explain what he did wrong.
4/ I have played with German people during dungeon, I answered in German, just do the same and it will be fine.
5/ German people are pleased even if you can't der die das die (I know this for sure). Same goes with French people, you'll be praised for even trying.
 
Instead of complaining, why don't you speak their language for once ? That's what they always do, even when you don't know. So even if they can and don't want, adapt and speak another language for once !*
 
* if you won't, whatever the reason, why should they ? Be tolerant and consider the effort they do daily. Oh and ask yourself this :  did I even seriously TRY to understand/make a sentence/explain something in their language just ONCE ?
 
@Vick : Korean games often have these premade sentences, it's a good tool for basics. But it's lacking something i can explain well in english. I was surprised by the "thank you" spam you get during group play with them. 
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			Jönssi...Unless I'm reading it entirely wrong, Tecc was actually supporting the same side of the argument that you have been...	
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Jönssi...Unless I'm reading it entirely wrong, Tecc was actually supporting the same side of the argument that you have been...
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This argument is very invalid imo.
Did you know that french & german ppl aint the only one in Europe with their own language?
And did you know that english is the language that is teached in nearly every country in Europe?
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Evidently.
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