105663-why-is-this-game-labeling-itself-as-hardcore

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i just don't get it, this game is NOT hardcore it doesn't have any of the features of a hardcore game, PKING, full/partial loot in pvp, EXP loss/stat loss etc.
its just a grind once you have reached 50 to get the same armor as everyone else in the game that's no fun. This game is just another one of the many wow clones i really thought it would be different and i am very disappointed with it the only thing that differs between the two is telegraphs other than that they are pretty much two peas in a pod.	
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I don't know if the game was labeling itself as hardcore. The only mention of "hardcore" was the raids. And more or less it was more of a joke to get some laughs on the dev speak video.
 
Modern MMORPGers don't even know what "hardcore" is.
 
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wow clone
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i just don't get it, this game is NOT hardcore it doesn't have any of the features of a hardcore game, PKING, full/partial loot in pvp, EXP loss/stat loss etc.
its just a grind once you have reached 50 to get the same armor as everyone else in the game that's no fun. This game is just another one of the many wow clones i really thought it would be different and i am very disappointed with it the only thing that differs between the two is telegraphs other than that they are pretty much two peas in a pod.
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what you describe isn't an hardcore game.  it's just an oldschool game... mostly the loot in pvp.
 
Darkfall is your best ( and only?) option.	
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what you describe isn't an hardcore game.  it's just an oldschool game... mostly the loot in pvp.
 
Darkfall is your best ( and only?) option.
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So you made it to 50 and started to raid?
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i wasn't in this game for raiding i don't know why that has to be the end game for everyone i was here for pvp mainly but lack of variety, risk or reward put me off so i unsubbed.
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Good thing it wasn't advertised that the PvP was a primary focus of this game then......
 
As for raiding at end game, I am not sure what you mean.  But for most people, raiding is the only thing to do at endgame to keep them playing.  And is one of the most difficult things this game has to offer.  #hardcore
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i just don't get it, this game is NOT hardcore it doesn't have any of the features of a hardcore game, PKING, full/partial loot in pvp, EXP loss/stat loss etc.
its just a grind once you have reached 50 to get the same armor as everyone else in the game that's no fun. This game is just another one of the many wow clones i really thought it would be different and i am very disappointed with it the only thing that differs between the two is telegraphs other than that they are pretty much two peas in a pod.
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raiding is something that wow has brought to mmos pretty much killing any other end game options, i thought this game may have offered more than it has with its housing/crafting social aspects and pvp but all of them are just basic.
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Lol'd.  WoW did not bring raiding to any MMO.  Hardcore raiding was alive long before WoW even launched.  Raiding is a fantastic Endgame design for people who actually enjoy the game and have time to spend in MMO's.  If you don't have time for raiding then you really don't have time for endgame focused MMO's, imho.  And this game does have some of the most involved housing that I have seen in any MMO (crafting too, I guess).
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Everquest. 
bye now, i will never go back to this post again. 	
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name one mmo pre wow that had instanced raids that weren't in the open world. also the crafting is VERY basic as is the housing system compared to older mmos such as SWG, in which you had a massive amount of options when it came to end game you didn't even have to be involved in combat.
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EQ1 and EQ2 are the 2 games that come to mind for me.  But then again, I actually played those games, so there are likely more than that.  Both of those games set the tempo for MMO's of their time.  WoW quite simply just had a cartoon style and a ton of cash to throw at advertising.  That is the main reason WoW was more successful than EQ2.  WoW had nothing that EQ2 didn't have first (in the first 4 years atleast)
 
Additionally you obviously haven't done much housing, and I will leave it at that (because i personally hate housing and can actually admire the customization of it in this game.  Crafting in general is just a good system, but it isn't very hands on in terms of depth.  The only depth it has is the tech trees and the talents, which is more than almost any other game has for crafting.
 
Are you sure you even played this game before coming here to talk trash about it?
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so wait eq 1 and eq 2 had raids that werent instanced? i never played either so i can't confirm or deny that but i myself wouldn't class a boss spawning in an open world map as a raid as you had the option of either going or not going i.e not having to commit to a say 2 hour instanced raid where you are restricted to an instanced map. That is what my issue with raiding is mmos should be all about freely playing in the game world and not being forced into certain aspects of it.
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so wait eq 1 and eq 2 had raids that werent instanced? i never played either so i can't confirm or deny that but i myself wouldn't class a boss spawning in an open world map as a raid as you had the option of either going or not going i.e not having to commit to a say 2 hour instanced raid where you are restricted to an instanced map. That is what my issue with raiding is mmos should be all about freely playing in the game world and not being forced into certain aspects of it.
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Go play Darkfall Mr. Badass lol.
 
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what you describe isn't an hardcore game.  it's just an oldschool game... mostly the loot in pvp.
 
Darkfall is your best ( and only?) option.
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Go play Darkfall Mr. Badass lol.
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Go play Darkfall Mr. Badass lol.
 
He'd rather stay here and gank baddies. The minute they kill and loot him he'll be back in WoW, Rift or wildStar. PVPers always claim that they want Hardcore PVP but won't stick with the PVP centric games. They want to be able to beat up on the casual PvPers who are just screwing around on the weekends lol.
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Or go play Day Z, sure it's not quite an MMO, but servers can hold 40 players and that game is pretty hardcore. (Looting, disease, hunger, thirst, bleeding to death).
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SOE is making a "MMO" version of Day Z.  I'm intrigued.  
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SOE is making a "MMO" version of Day Z.  I'm intrigued.  
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never really looked at day Z might have t
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You really should, it's a great game. The creepy players that like to torture people makes the game very interesting.
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 ok just watched a vid of someone being tortured on day z wtf.
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In the case of an actual zombie apocalypse, stay away from those guys.
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			H1Z1 (Thanks for the name!) has claimed.. CLAIMED.. cash shop is only costumes.  We'll see.  There's also Arma 3.  Not an MMO.. but not much more hardcore than that bad boy.	
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. cash shop is only costumes.  We'll see. 
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What you want is a sandbox with PvP Loot.  I have your answer.
 
trial.eveonline.com
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