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My statement is whimpering? Hardly, it might be me ranting, but it's also true. 
Yes, I did say that it would be impossible to do a world boss, because transfers were still open at the time and I was speculating.
 
I'm also just responding with the same toxicity I receive from you guys for staying on this server. "Lol ur a noob for staying there" "hahah ur never gonna do anything on that server" "lol your guild sucks thats why you stayed there" is some of the bile that has been thrown at me.
I'm happy I'm here, most of the people (Even the exiles) left over don't even have that attitude, they're more interested in actually playing the game and making a fun server still possible.
 
Now the dust has settled and I have a plan in mind and more of the population are working together, world bosses are possible, warplots are possible, events are possible.
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Yeah, the french community are also big on Dommie side and really friendly. A few of them joined our guild and can translate for us if needed, and are great at doing events and stuff!
 
Also pretty pumped for the warplot :)
We're hoping to make it a regular thing ^.^	
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Cougar strikes again.
 
This could have been prevented by better anticipation of things, sorry to say but this is another blunder on that teams  hands, the first major blunder was by only starting this game with one PvP server because PvP servers weren't popular despite a large number of organized guilds stating openly to start there. Resulting into a rapidly opening more servers making it impossible for guilds what they normally do to spread themselves out over servers in talks with allies and foes and just going for servers willy nilly to get everyone together.
 
Now by sticking to the policy of no transfers to PvP servers and sticking to that stubbornly for no reason other then principle while it hasn't mattered for months as you can level just as easily on both rule sets. Every guild that aims towards the future knows to stay afloat and not to become closed off as they were before when being on Hazak or any other PvP realm decides to move to the ruleset everyone can transfer to. That simple.
 
The best thing about these errors are if first wrongly dealt with you cannot correct them afterwards as the damage is done. Luminai will never recover to a previous state as so far i've seen all organized guilds transferred off.  Because even opening transfers now from PvE to PvP would be too late people transfered off and are now established, while if allowed transfers earlier things would've balanced out by now. 
 
 
I don't get honestly i don't how a team who claims since beta to have years of experiences regarding dealing with servers and communities did not anticipate this. Any basic line of communication with the bigger guilds regarding their wishes and feedback could've prevented this. 	
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			This isn't really a surprise considering that there's barely anyone left on Luminai, but Devs there is nobody selling C.R.E.D.D. on the server now as well. Oh yes the server is so healthy....	
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Cougar strikes again.
 
This could have been prevented by better anticipation of things, sorry to say but this is another blunder on that teams  hands, the first major blunder was by only starting this game with one PvP server because PvP servers weren't popular despite a large number of organized guilds stating openly to start there. Resulting into a rapidly opening more servers making it impossible for guilds what they normally do to spread themselves out over servers in talks with allies and foes and just going for servers willy nilly to get everyone together.
 
Now by sticking to the policy of no transfers to PvP servers and sticking to that stubbornly for no reason other then principle while it hasn't mattered for months as you can level just as easily on both rule sets. Every guild that aims towards the future knows to stay afloat and not to become closed off as they were before when being on Hazak or any other PvP realm decides to move to the ruleset everyone can transfer to. That simple.
 
The best thing about these errors are if first wrongly dealt with you cannot correct them afterwards as the damage is done. Luminai will never recover to a previous state as so far i've seen all organized guilds transferred off.  Because even opening transfers now from PvE to PvP would be too late people transfered off and are now established, while if allowed transfers earlier things would've balanced out by now. 
 
 
I don't get honestly i don't how a team who claims since beta to have years of experiences regarding dealing with servers and communities did not anticipate this. Any basic line of communication with the bigger guilds regarding their wishes and feedback could've prevented this. 
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The more people keep doomsaying about Luminai, the less people would want to transfer here. Like I keep saying, there may be a staggering amount of lesser people here, but there is still a friendly community that works together.
 
Cougar, open transfers back and people will come back. Their previous guilds will still be there unless the GM's disbanded them.
 
There is still time for carbine to fix this crap but if they're unwilling to listen to the community as usual then w/e.	
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This isn't really a surprise considering that there's barely anyone left on Luminai, but Devs there is nobody selling C.R.E.D.D. on the server now as well. Oh yes the server is so healthy....
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The more people keep doomsaying about Luminai, the less people would want to transfer here. Like I keep saying, there may be a staggering amount of lesser people here, but there is still a friendly community that works together.
 
Cougar, open transfers back and people will come back. Their previous guilds will still be there unless the GM's disbanded them.
 
There is still time for carbine to fix this crap but if they're unwilling to listen to the community as usual then w/e.
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Note to self: buy more credd 
 
haha xD
 
GONNA MAKE YA'LL PAY A MILLION PLATZ	
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oooh, this is bad. A lot of my guild lives off CREDD.
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I'd definitely take advantage of a free PvE to PvP transfer. A big part of me really wants to transfer at least one of my characters from Jabbit to Luminai. I wish I had transferred at least one of them to a PvP server when I had the chance, even if it was just to try it out. Sure, getting ganked sounds horrible and I'd probably rage quit a few times, but that's part of the fun.
 
Is it possible to create characters on both servers, or are we only able to create characters on the one? If we can play on both servers, I'll be deleting my Aurin and remaking her on Luminai. Also, are PvP servers still limiting players to a single faction?	
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I'd definitely take advantage of a free PvE to PvP transfer. A big part of me really wants to transfer at least one of my characters from Jabbit to Luminai. I wish I had transferred at least one of them to a PvP server when I had the chance, even if it was just to try it out. Sure, getting ganked sounds horrible and I'd probably rage quit a few times, but that's part of the fun.
 
Is it possible to create characters on both servers, or are we only able to create characters on the one? If we can play on both servers, I'll be deleting my Aurin and remaking her on Luminai. Also, are PvP servers still limiting players to a single faction?
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you can play on both :)
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Awesome :D If I can get on later, first thing I'll be doing is remaking my Aurin (she's only Lv8 so it's not a big loss). I'd remake my Chua as well but, if Luminai is limited to one faction, he'll have to stay put.
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			I don't have anything worthwile to add, but I really hope Carbine will reconsider their stance on PvE > PvP because the server is not looking good right now.	
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not limited to one. You'll have a nice choice of guilds on the exile side and there's potato on dominion. Visit our recruitment forums :D
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1 credd now i believe and it is selling for 29 plat, gg
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This isn't really a surprise considering that there's barely anyone left on Luminai, but Devs there is nobody selling C.R.E.D.D. on the server now as well. Oh yes the server is so healthy....
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zoinks
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one of my guildies bought CREDD to sell it and set it for 29 plat. Insta sell :D 
 
Now only 1 CREDD remains :P
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1 credd now i believe and it is selling for 29 plat, gg
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oooh, this is bad. A lot of my guild lives off CREDD.
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It's the only thing keeping mine and my husbands account alive. We paid sub the first few months, paid name changes - not going to pay for server transfers. Would rather not play this game then and I don't want my PvP character to be forced to play on a PvE realm :/
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I am paying mine and my boyfriend's sub. I would find grinding CREDD too stressful :)
It's always an option to level an alt on the pve server and buy your credd there to keep the character on the pvp server alive if you're really poor (or if your country is unfair. Various reasons there).
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			Sigh, I really wish carbine would do something about this now, just to shut people up about how dead luminai is.	
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Sigh, I really wish carbine would do something about this now, just to shut people up about how dead luminai is.
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Just add this to the long long pile of bad ideas but Carbine, you allowed free transfers off the PvP server, to the PvE server.
 
As a result, the PvP servers took a huge population hit.
 
I ask that you give the PvP server the same opportunity you gave the PvE server and allow a 1 time, 1 way, absolutely free transfer off the PVE server to the PVP server.
 
Thank you	
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Sigh, I really wish carbine would do something about this now, just to shut people up about how dead luminai is.
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Just add this to the long long pile of bad ideas but Carbine, you allowed free transfers off the PvP server, to the PvE server.
 
As a result, the PvP servers took a huge population hit.
 
I ask that you give the PvP server the same opportunity you gave the PvE server and allow a 1 time, 1 way, absolutely free transfer off the PVE server to the PVP server.
 
Thank you
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			they should open the transfers  pve to pvp for a couple of weeks and see what happens, worse case nobody transfers scenario stays the same, best case all the folks that bailed go back and bring friends with them that wanted to make the jump initially but were locked out.	
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Many people have voiced dissatisfaction with PVP in Wildstar, and after it was made public that a few high-profile guilds were transferring to PVE servers, people on the PVP megaservers panicked and the mass exodus began. People on Jabbit aren't going to transfer to Luminai out of charity.
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if nobody transfers, then nobody transfers, big deal. But why not to even grant the server that opportunity?
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Oh, I'm not against it. I'm just tired of people blaming people leaving the PVP megaservers on things like this.
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Yeah, this is what I'm waiting for. The server isn't dead, but it is uncomfortably empty. Drop 3 should see a lot of existing players logging back in and new players having a try too.
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			If new player asks in forum I join EU server which server should I join... who in their right mind would not say JABBIT? Only people who have cold dark hearts... that need to be warmed up by warm island band music!	
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			Thankfully in NA, we had no big name guilds publicly state they were moving to the pve server so there was no server wide "ahh sky is falling" panic... Other than a handful of pve poachers trying to get people to transfer the population has stayed somewhat "healthy"	
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			I get the feeling NA overall has more population than EU total I may be wrong though.	
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I get the feeling NA overall has more population than EU total I may be wrong though.
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If new player asks in forum I join EU server which server should I join... who in their right mind would not say JABBIT? Only people who have cold dark hearts... that need to be warmed up by warm island band music!
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Well, im pretty sure (99%) that NA could be even 2x more populated than EU. Maybe it's stupid but compare number of posts in guild forums (around 44k vs ~17k). I could be totally wrong ofc.
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Well, that's pretty much what's caused it, so people aren't going to stop blaming it.
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			Alas I feel that this is a dead issue, I feel horrible for the folks left behind on Luminae however I don't think that Carbine is going to change their minds regarding this issue, which is utterly ridiculous on their part.	
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I've seen popular guilds on PVP servers posting that they're transferring to PVE servers and PVP players doom-and-glooming over the server dying. But "Many PvE server players attempting to poach the PvP server players into leaving their server by posting mass misinformation and scaring people into believing that "everybody" has transferred to PvE"? That hasn't been happening. The most one could say is that PVE players have invited PVP players to transfer based on what PVP players are saying about their own servers.
 
You can blame Carbine for the quality of the PVP, or having the server transfers only being one-way, but players transferring from the PVP servers to the PVE servers is not the PVE community's fault.
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I've seen popular guilds on PVP servers posting that they're transferring to PVE servers and PVP players doom-and-glooming over the server dying. But "Many PvE server players attempting to poach the PvP server players into leaving their server by posting mass misinformation and scaring people into believing that "everybody" has transferred to PvE"? That hasn't been happening. The most one could say is that PVE players have invited PVP players to transfer based on what PVP players are saying about their own servers.
 
You can blame Carbine for the quality of the PVP, or having the server transfers only being one-way, but players transferring from the PVP servers to the PVE servers is not the PVE community's fault.
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Basically that first link proved that people were forcing others into moving. At that time before OSS, PDx and LL moved, the population on Luminai was HEALTHY. So much scaremongering was happening that even the pvp'ers moved to be with their friends who were desperately moving away from the server.
 
I guess I should give the reason why I stayed Luminai in the first place. So this is a story all about how my life got flipped, turned upside down... Our guild originally started on contagion-EU. Which everyone knows was an overflow server for the launch, within about 2 months it was a ghost town and our guild made the hard decision of leaving behind the majority of the guild, and the core paid for transfers to Hazak to set up shop there. I felt awful leaving people behind, but it helped the guild grow on both servers. I jumped ship because of the amount of scaremongering happening on contagion, all the raiding guilds left then eventually we decided to as well, even though there was still people on contagion (I'd say about the same as on Luminai-ish, but the dominion side was better)
Eventually they opened free trasnsfers and the old people who couldn't afford to tfer across were more than happy to come and join up on Hazak with us, we were so happy to be reunited. Theeeeeeeen they opened pvp->pve and as soon as Eugenic moved (which we were oblivious too until they extended the amount of time to move and mass exodus happened) we created a plan. Most of the people in guild DID NOT WANT TO MOVE to a pve server, that's not why they play the game. So down to stubbornness we stayed. And apparently that makes us noobs :)
 
This time we stuck together, and i don't regret it. The people in my guild want to stay on a pvp server and well... you CAN pvp on a pve server and I congratulate the people on jabbit for trying, but it's NOT the same as the freedom to create unplanned battles in the open world that turn into wars...
 
And before eugenic tferred at least, we had started some awesome battles in Northern Wastes/Crimson Badlands, and thought that it would continue on Luminai. Then all the scaremongering began.
 
TL;DR Was on a ghost town server before, felt bad for splitting my guild up. Didn't want to have to do that again. Stayed, hopeful that I won't regret it (I don't yet)	
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			Carbine should do a EU Ultraserver.	
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your first link shows exactly what "wasn't happening". 
 
"Jabbit is already a lot more populated than Luminai, and it will even become more so over the days. We strongly believe that having only 1 megaserver on EU will be beneficial to all the players, hence our decision to finally move.
Together with us, more guilds are leaving towards Jabbit this weekend; Perfect Dark X and Lokes List. I strongly suggest the other guilds and players left on Luminai to do the same."
The whole post translates to "everyone is moving and you should too!".
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The fact that Warmonger tferred pretty much spurred most of the wannabe pvp'ers to move over there to follow them. I would have thought the pvp community would have stayed strong and kept together on luminai and built something.
 
WARMONGER didnt transfer, everyone just stopped playing like a month ago! I was farming some rep on Hazak last month to get the amps. Guild was planning to come back after drop 3, but if Iluminai stays like this I'm 100% sure that everyone will jump the ship for good.	
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WARMONGER didnt transfer, everyone just stopped playing like a month ago! I was farming some rep on Hazak last month to get the amps. Guild was planning to come back after drop 3, but if Iluminai stays like this I'm 100% sure that everyone will jump the ship for good.
 
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			I stopped loging since few days coes illium realy feels so damn empty! But you prob know me from annoying everyone with duels24/7 if I'm not in a bg or arena ;)	
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PvE > PvP transfers are now open. If anyone wants to return to Luminai, we'll be glad to have you.  ^_^
 
Seems our whining has finally paid off.  :D 	
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Yay for whining! Thanks carbine.
 
Now please guys, join us back in time for our WARPLOT TOMORROW <3
 
Whisper Chief shields in game for an invite to the warparty (dominion side)	
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I've talked with people yesterday on Jabbit while leveling an alt, and they said the server felt empty.
I encouraged them to stay on Luminai if they want to have PvP, since it doesn't happen that often on Jabbit in my experience.
 
I should play my Luminai alt a bit more to get a feeling what is actually going on there.	
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			Guys, what's the current state of Luminai? I transfered about two weeks ago to Jabbit, but i miss that open pvp thing so much. I talked yesterday with a guy, who still plays on Luminai and he said, that the population is really high again.	
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I've talked with people yesterday on Jabbit while leveling an alt, and they said the server felt empty.
I encouraged them to stay on Luminai if they want to have PvP, since it doesn't happen that often on Jabbit in my experience.
 
I should play my Luminai alt a bit more to get a feeling what is actually going on there.
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I was under the impression that there was all kinds of pvp events happening on Jabbit, did the novelty wear off and folks quit doing pvp events?
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Events happen.
But there's no real open world PvP as far as I'm aware, unless organized as event.
What I'm trying to say is: The chances of running into PvP flagged players are considerably lower then on Luminai. There's some of them, but so far I can count them on my both hands.
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I was under the impression that there was all kinds of pvp events happening on Jabbit, did the novelty wear off and folks quit doing pvp events?
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The thing making wildstar annoying to play atm for our guild isn't the server pop (we're fine with that) but it's the queues for bgs. 
 
We can't even queue rbgs anymore even with the new drop because there aren't any :/
 
In terms of luminai's population, it is extremely low. Most of us have come to deal with it tbh, but there is still a lot of bitterness remaining for people who refer to jabbit as the "better server with better stuff".
 
It's only a server after all and I hope maybe some people will return in time :)	
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			Whats your open pvp gear score? Above 175? Above 185? :D	
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The thing making wildstar annoying to play atm for our guild isn't the server pop (we're fine with that) but it's the queues for bgs. 
 
We can't even queue rbgs anymore even with the new drop because there aren't any :/
 
In terms of luminai's population, it is extremely low. Most of us have come to deal with it tbh, but there is still a lot of bitterness remaining for people who refer to jabbit as the "better server with better stuff".
 
It's only a server after all and I hope maybe some people will return in time :)
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Well server pop has a lot to do with ques not popping, if Luminae were more populated then the matchmaker wouldn't need to reach out to Jabbit to fill groups, and it doesn't sound like folks on Jabbit are queing. PVP is pretty much dead world wide, I can't get into a bg at all on any of my toons and the reason I believe is the majority of the population is 50 and the new folks or old folks with alts just aren't queing. It's just bad all the way 'round.
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I think it is the queue system, I fail to believe there is less than 15 other people queuing up the same time as me and my guildies if we're grouped up.
 
It's so broken. Just remove the item level barriers, would make it so much easier.	
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I wonder if this has to do with the ratings divisions they put in.  I mean, it's a novel idea, I have a hard time believing that you can't get enough people to actually queue for BGs, whatever the population issues.  There has to be something technical in the way, at least from my thinking.  This many people wouldn't be complaining if nobody wanted to PVP.
 
Maybe it's the queue system?  I haven't dug into the BG queues much to know the logistics, but you'd think that it would still be popular enough to pop.
 
It might be a good idea to ask what they're doing on Warhound.  I heard they were "supercharging" BG queues by organizing night where characters of a certain level spam-queued BGs at a certain level.
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I think it is the queue system, I fail to believe there is less than 15 other people queuing up the same time as me and my guildies if we're grouped up.
 
It's so broken. Just remove the item level barriers, would make it so much easier.
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Guys, what's the current state of Luminai? I transfered about two weeks ago to Jabbit, but i miss that open pvp thing so much. I talked yesterday with a guy, who still plays on Luminai and he said, that the population is really high again.
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