124785-morning-coffee-416-whats-in-the-box-edition

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Is it Gwyneth Paltrow's head?
 
No?
 
Kevin Spacey's address book?
 
No?
 
Brad Pitt's ab machine?
 
Oh hell no!
 
IT'S BREAKFAST, OF COURSE!
 
 
So I made level 40 on Sharice last night! Yay! It's all downhill from here.
 
I was going to make this a riff on all the other "box" threads, but I don't have it in me to do that to y'all amid all the angst.
 
No matter what you do today, take a moment to be thankful you're alive.
 
Have a great day, Nexus ... and please, don't let whatever is going on a Corporate mess up the fun you're having in Wildstar!	
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... and please, don't let whatever is going on a Corporate mess up the fun you're having in Wildstar!
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don't let whatever is going on a Corporate mess up the fun you're having in Wildstar!
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Trying not to, but I'll admit I'm pretty beaten down right now about WS :(
 
I'm hoping that the PUG raid tonight (don't know if it will happen, but sure hoping it will) or our regular raid tomorrow will re-kindle and help me get over my feelings about the box stuff.
 
It was kind of crazy, because I went home from work being pretty down about WS, and my wife was totally excited about making boosts. She'd just discovered it and is having a blast. So I gave her my best smile and showed as much enthusiasm as I could muster. Ah how the tables have turned :D
 
It's been really cool watching her make this game her own, though. She is completely new to the MMO world, and it's all been pretty overwhelming for her. So I introduced her to pieces at a time, starting the stuff that *I* enjoy, and it was no surprise that she took after me in a lot of ways. She is obsessed with running dungeons, and she is absolutely giddy wiping over and over on the same boss (I married a good one, yo). Every night she wants to queue up for SC because "this time I will live through the final boss fight!".
 
But recently she FINALLY discovered Veteran Shiphands (I've been telling her how great they are) and she's been running them and having a blast. We did a few the other night when we didn't have time or energy for a dungeon run. And I still maintain these things are some of the best content in game and prove that you don't need a challenge to be fun.
 
Anyway, now she's branched out and is excited about joining a relic circle and crafting boosts. I really couldn't care less about crafting in this game, but she's loving it, and I'm so glad it's in there.
 
This really is such a great game. I hope it works out its issues and is successful for years to come.
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Show her the fat cat;) She will love it and she will beg for you to make sure she gets one;)
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Trying not to, but I'll admit I'm pretty beaten down right now about WS :(
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This really is such a great game. I hope it works out its issues and is successful for years to come.
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Nah- I did. She actually couldn't care less. And she'd be upset at the idea of spending any extra money on the game.
 
She did flip out (in a good way) when I bought her a pristine key (purchased with my in-game plat), though.
 
I married a good one- did I say it?
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Too late to have a great day?
 
Never!
 
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Oki lol;)
 
My girl hate computer games, but Its ok for me...as long as I get to play a few hours in the evening...
 
But i did show here a phone photo of the fat cat (that i took from a youtube video) and she replied "what is that funny looking guy"? I told her about it..and she replied..ohh how fun: and then continued with:..what do you want for dinner and when are you home? LOL....But..I think she liked the cat;)
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If my fiancé offered me that monstrosity that's currently clogging up Thayd with it's corpulent oddness I might have to leave him!
 
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EDIT: New adventure coming out called Bay of Betrayal. This looks like it will lots of fun! http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2015-04-16-deep-dive-bay-of-betrayal/
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my hubby got me playing MMOs by having his speakers on while killing Murlocs and Treants in WoW. The sounds they made, made me crack up and I used to go watch him play. He did subtly but got me playing LOL. So don't give up hope. She just may give it a shot at some point :)
 
I want the fat cat mount and costume, but am not willing to pay for an extra game for them. Once all the hype is done, maybe the prices will come down some and I can pick them up. But not going out of my way to get them. Yeah I was a little upset about how they did this promo, but kudos to them for thinking 'out of the box' to try to get new people to play. I honestly don't think they did this for any other reason. They just didn't think through how it would affect the current player base. Oh well, live and learn. :)
 
Hope you all have a great day!
 
EDIT: New adventure coming out called Bay of Betrayal. This looks like it will lots of fun! http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2015-04-16-deep-dive-bay-of-betrayal/
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Will everyone be able to play the new Adventure, or do we need to buy a new retail box first?
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I just want y'all to know, I feel and sympathize with your anguish. I went through this same thing with the DC Universe community during it's transformative period and I was one of the big doubters back then.
 
Then I sat through the transition and saw the game I love actually come out stronger and better than before. Even today, two years after I stopped playing regularly, I can still log-in, have a great time, socialize with people I knew back then who *still play* and the game still gets big, regular, awesome content updates. While I know that DCUO is probably the exception to the generally-accepted rules, it is also the proof that a game *can* successfully transition between business models successfully and still be really fun to play.
 
But I know there are some people who just will not listen, who will let their lives be disrupted, their days ruined, their game time destroyed by doubt and angst ... and for those people, there is nothing I can say to make you feel better except "I hope it gets better for you."
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Olivar you know I :wub:  to mess with you. But this is not one of those times. I miss my fun loving Chua friend. :)
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I really didn't get to do much last night, but got Lorti close to 30.
 
However I mostly spent my session just chatting in-game with people while I did more freelance work and played the new mortal kombat with family. I kind of wish Wildstar had an app like rift where i could log in and just talk to people(guild and friends). 	
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You can go thank Carbine for that.
No replies anywhere, no tweets with clarification, just utter silence, while shafting the fanbase in the back.
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 I agree DCuo became a gem of a game after they had gone free to play.. it may very well be the exception to the rule.. but i had a lot of good times playing it. Enough to use my character as my avatar in this forum.
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You can go thank Carbine for that.
No replies anywhere, no tweets with clarification, just utter silence, while shafting the fanbase in the back.
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Makes you think if someone at Carbine is giving us the finger/and or feeling the same as we do. 
Wildstar's latest adventure is called...*drum roll* 
 
 
BAY OF BETRAYAL
http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2015-04-16-deep-dive-bay-of-betrayal/
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It's as if they tried to sabotage  their own game!
(I'm sorry I couldn't resist the pun game, I'll behave now)
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You can go thank Carbine for that.
No replies anywhere, no tweets with clarification, just utter silence, while shafting the fanbase in the back.
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  Its common when a developer has to make painful decisions not to disclose it just do it.. kinda like the movies where the president has to press the red button to blow up invading aliens.. they don't tell the public in the movies because what must be done has to be done. This happens alot in real life. No point in telling one early it will just create unrest either way. I wont be surprised if Carbine comes up with something to help remedy the situation with the boxes.. after all the voice has been loudly broadcasted about the veteran players disproval over the matter.. carbine has done stuff in the past to gift out stuff so I will wait to see if anything new takes place over this issue before drawing a final conclusion on how I feel about the matters.
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Mornin'.
 
Personally, I don't care that much about the box stuff, and I think a lot of people get kind of addicted to their own sense of self-righteousness, so I've been giving the sturm and drang a miss.
 
Had a great GA raid last night, got 5/6 and 3/4 Malfunctionings done in a single evening.  I think that's a new record for us.  We were burning up the course.  Also means we have two whole nights and I'm gonna be tres disappointed if we can't manage an Ohmna kill with that much time to work on it.
 
On the downside, I was working the button on the side of my mouse (Logi G700) so much the past few weeks that it basically punched in and started triggering the button above it (innate).  So for awhile the PTT button was working for talking but I'd be going into super-engi mode at odd times.  Then finally at end of raid it just stopped working altogether.  So, off to Best Buy after work tonight to pick up a replacement.  I've tried those 12 side button mice before and they just don't work for me.  The thumb is the stupidest digit we've got and I can't hit them with any precision, but I CAN do 4 thumb-side buttons quite well.  So I imagine I'll get another G700.  Also, I need the thumb rest I discovered after playing with the other mice.  Just something about how I grip it.
 
Grey and cool in KC today.  Also pondering going to a SF/F convention in May.  Have never been but it sounds like it could be interesting.  Also, the "story in a bag" contest sounds kind of fun and challenging.  (1 Hour, 5 handwritten pages, 3 typewritten pages, first line and outline must be used from whatever you randomly get.)  Also been observing the OTHER major sturm and drang in the Hugo awards and pondering it all.
 
Anyhow, hope everyone has a great day in the real world and on Nexus.	
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  Its common when a developer has to make painful decisions not to disclose it just do it.. kinda like the movies where the president has to press the red button to blow up invading aliens.. they don't tell the public in the movies because what must be done has to be done. This happens alot in real life. No point in telling one early it will just create unrest either way. I wont be surprised if Carbine comes up with something to help remedy the situation with the boxes.. after all the voice has been loudly broadcasted about the veteran players disproval over the matter.. carbine has done stuff in the past to gift out stuff so I will wait to see if anything new takes place over this issue before drawing a final conclusion on how I feel about the matters.
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Exactly, Rebel!
 
There have obviously been business decisions made that upset me before this one (no PVP-RP servers at launch, no RP Megaserver, to put a fine point on it), but even then, I can't bring myself to begrudge he company for making hard choices in order to streamline processes/save revenue/whathaveyou.
 
Carbine "is listening" and you know how we can safely know that?
 
Because they're letting us not only vent, but vent in multiple threads on this forum ... and they're being super-lax with the moderation there. Why is that? Because they KNOW some of their good customers are upset.
 
Seriously, guys and gals. Knowing what we know about the folks at Carbine, do you *honestly* think they want to enrage the few of us who are left to the point of a mass walk-out? No. I don't think so.
 
They're GONNA say something. Maybe not today, tomorrow or even this weekend - but soon enough I expect they'll set about making us happy again.	
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 The way I am looking at it though is that this is part of bigger announcement or part of a process. As the news was posted today I am being patient and waiting for a possible response to the mixed reactions and where we go from here, because it has certainly put an awful feeling in a lot of players who have heard of this to some degree or another. I can't imagine this going without a response(i may be wrong, but who knows?) They could very well be planning to give current subs something and figuring out how to distribute it to us most likely through a hotfix OR they could just be like "it is what it is, deal with it" .
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On another note...I think the 2nd biggest concern is what happened to Chillias Fluttershy? I think this is an underlying issue with the mood on the forums personally
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Exactly, Rebel!
 
There have obviously been business decisions made that upset me before this one (no PVP-RP servers at launch, no RP Megaserver, to put a fine point on it), but even then, I can't bring myself to begrudge he company for making hard choices in order to streamline processes/save revenue/whathaveyou.
 
Carbine "is listening" and you know how we can safely know that?
 
Because they're letting us not only vent, but vent in multiple threads on this forum ... and they're being super-lax with the moderation there. Why is that? Because they KNOW some of their good customers are upset.
 
Seriously, guys and gals. Knowing what we know about the folks at Carbine, do you *honestly* think they want to enrage the few of us who are left to the point of a mass walk-out? No. I don't think so.
 
They're GONNA say something. Maybe not today, tomorrow or even this weekend - but soon enough I expect they'll set about making us happy again.
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			Sorry for the harsh words Rebel, but you're delusional if you think that's how it works in these companies...	
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Sorry for the harsh words Rebel, but you're delusional if you think that's how it works in these companies...
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Agreed.
 
Bring Flyttershy back, please. Tie it to a box, IDC.
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I would buy a box just to have her recognisable avatar back!
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Better? >< 
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Better? >< 
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Better? >< 
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Sorry for the harsh words Rebel, but you're delusional if you think that's how it works in these companies...
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Finally got my hands on a cat mount.....
Girlfriend is happy...	
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Finally got my hands on a cat mount.....
Girlfriend is happy...
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Don't get too happy...
The server gods may hear you
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Something I noticed:
 
4 keys -> 4 Costumes.	
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Then I sat through the transition and saw the game I love actually come out stronger and better than before. Even today, two years after I stopped playing regularly, I can still log-in, have a great time, socialize with people I knew back then who *still play* and the game still gets big, regular, awesome content updates. While I know that DCUO is probably the exception to the generally-accepted rules, it is also the proof that a game *can* successfully transition between business models successfully and still be really fun to play.
 
But I know there are some people who just will not listen, who will let their lives be disrupted, their days ruined, their game time destroyed by doubt and angst ... and for those people, there is nothing I can say to make you feel better except "I hope it gets better for you."
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Well, maybe we should make them a totally unsolicited spreadsheet of what we've seen done well, and what we've seen that sucks?
 
Like:
 
DC Universe: F2P "Your Way" has a sub model (which gets you all the content offered by the game), plus a cosmetic Cash Shop (no P2Win stuff), DLC content a la carte if you choose not to subscribe.
 
RIFT: F2P plus a sub model (see above), plus Cash Shop 
 
SWTOR: Everything is wrong about this model. Don't do what they did.
 
So on, and so forth.
 
I genuinely hope that should this come to pass, they just mirror what DC Universe does. They'd need a fair amount of cash-shop items, but they could offer subs, Drops by the DLC, or some other combination of that. Now, DCUO *does* have somethings like in-game currency limits, lesser bank space and stuff like that which actively hampers a free player - but I am cool with that, because if you want the full experience, then you damn well need to pay for it.	
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Well, maybe we should make them a totally unsolicited spreadsheet of what we've seen done well, and what we've seen that sucks?
 
Like:
 
DC Universe: F2P "Your Way" has a sub model (which gets you all the content offered by the game), plus a cosmetic Cash Shop (no P2Win stuff), DLC content a la carte if you choose not to subscribe.
 
RIFT: F2P plus a sub model (see above), plus Cash Shop 
 
SWTOR: Everything is wrong about this model. Don't do what they did.
 
So on, and so forth.
 
I genuinely hope that should this come to pass, they just mirror what DC Universe does. They'd need a fair amount of cash-shop items, but they could offer subs, Drops by the DLC, or some other combination of that. Now, DCUO *does* have somethings like in-game currency limits, lesser bank space and stuff like that which actively hampers a free player - but I am cool with that, because if you want the full experience, then you damn well need to pay for it.
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Here's what ya need to know about F2P pricing:
 
Don't follow SWTOR, ArchAge, or any other F2P Korean MMO's.  :P	
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Here's what ya need to know about F2P pricing:
 
Don't follow SWTOR, ArchAge, or any other F2P Korean MMO's. :P
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I think GW2 is good... I mean we already have Black Lion Chests in the form of Boomboxes haha.
 
But for real that game has delivered content pretty consistently since it came out. Of course there are people who are dissatisfied with the pace of bug fixes and all that but you'll get that anywhere I think.
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I've put up the new Morning Coffee.
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GW2 has a good model, but it's probably not viable for a game switching from a subscription base. I would imagine, if the business model changes, Carbine is going to want to keep as many people subscribing as possible.
 
IMHO, B2P + optional sub (like ESO) is probably the best option. I don't know how many new players they're going to get with this Mystery Box deal, but I imagine a lot of new players would feel they were duped into buying the game if WildStar goes F2P.
 
GW2 is also not really a traditional MMO in the way WildStar is, as most of the content is still relevant at max level. And you can just putter about as you want, take off for a bit and come back, not feeling like you're way behind everyone else. WildStar has that same drive to keep moving forward that most P2P MMOs have, where once you've finished something, unless it's elder game repeatable content, you're done with it. So B2P (with no subscription option) lends itself better to GW2 than having an optional subscription does, whereas the reverse is true for WildStar, IMHO.
 
Honestly, I think ESO's model is the best I've seen for a game that has undergone a business model. All players get the full game (which they've all paid for, after all), but subscribers get benefits for subscribing. True, there's a cash shop, but subscribers get a monthly stipend. I'm not really a big fan of the stipend system since it tends to incentivize developers to bloat the cash shop and entice subscribers to spend beyond their stipend, but I don't think it has to be that way. Hopefully, the fact that a subscription grants access to future content, and non-subscribers have to purchase it in the cash shop, incentivizes Zenimax to continue to churn out content, rather than just cosmetic items.
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