142807-reason-to-quit

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Regardless of how much i believe this a good game, great even, one thing remains, it runs really bad! 
 
My specs 
 
gtx980ti (best on the market)
I7- 3.40ghz (far above average)
8GB ddr3 RAM (More than any game should need)
 
I average about 50-65 frames with normal gameplay and drop to 30 frames in group play, where frames matter most. Before you go doubting the ability of my PC, note that i run Rust, Witcher 3, ESO, Archeage, and WoW at 60+ frames at 1440p. There is something wrong with this game! I also disabled some add ons as recommended by the community, no excuse!!!
 
Unless there is some magic solution i don't know of, this game has almost no potential to survive long term, as it runs like poop. 	
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All I can suggest, which you have probably already tried, just tune down a couple of settings.
 
- Shadows.
- AA.
- Ultra Textures.
- V Sync off.
 
I have a very similar set up as you can see, I dont get major problems and all I do is put shadows downs.	
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			If you're that picky about your frames, then I guess it would be a reason to quit? I find it pretty ridiculous, but I also find making a forum post about it ridiculous too.	
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			Are you asking us if this is a reason to quit? Because I personally don't think 30fps is a reason to quit. (I get the same frames as you, as much as it's annoying, its better than getting like 5-15fps)	
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You can add -directx9 to the shortcut of Wildstar which will help increase your frames. if you go to YouTube and type in fevir increase your fps, he has a quick guide on how to add it to wildstar. 
 
I personally haven't used it yet, but I've seen a lot of posts with people suggesting it and using it without any issues.	
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You can add -directx9
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			What if you have dx11?	
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30 fps is bad????
Dont tell me you failed a dungeon run and blaming your fps now :3
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30 fps is bad????
Dont tell me you failed a dungeon run and blaming your fps now :3	
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			I play with 30fps most of the time and I am not whining like a child.	
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Lol.
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There was one player in wow that was so convinced that his system and network were responsible for him not passing silver proving grounds. He then spent a lot of money changing specs and still couldn't do it, he then wrote a letter to blizzard in a very abrupt tone its their server stability  that was causing the problem 
He was never heard of again.
 
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			Try disabling the Who and ObjectiveTracker addons. Fixed most of my frame issues. In raids I can easily maintain 60+ fps with a GTX 780 and i7-4770K. I also set group spell effects to Ultra Low. It helps performance but the only reason I do it in the first place is because raids look absolutely disgusting with them higher. Just flashes everywhere.	
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			Some people are never happy unless they have everything on super duper ultra high. :D	
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...i wanted to say not true but...you can't make stuff like this up.
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30 fps is bad????
Dont tell me you failed a dungeon run and blaming your fps now :3
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There was one player in wow that was so convinced that his system and network were responsible for him not passing silver proving grounds. He then spent a lot of money changing specs and still couldn't do it, he then wrote a letter to blizzard in a very abrupt tone its their server stability  that was causing the problem 
He was never heard of again.
 
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16mb ram is all any game will ever need!
 
http://uo.com/system-requirements/
 
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSlxSgml39Y
			
				
	Edited October 12, 2015 by Cubical	
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Just did a WB and was getting 20-25fps during the fight, and didn't see any problems with avoiding stuff and getting my abilities off.  So I'm with you, I don't see how 30fps can be bad /shrug.
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			Pro tip: Running cutting edge hardware is highly risky and some games simply won't perform well. It's the same deal with using 2 or more graphics cards-- it may be good for benchmarking, but you were highly mistaken in assuming it would run all games well. 	
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...i wanted to say not true but...you can't make stuff like this up.
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It is true I remember the stuff on the forum about it in WoW
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Pro tip: Running cutting edge hardware is highly risky and some games simply won't perform well. It's the same deal with using 2 or more graphics cards-- it may be good for benchmarking, but you were highly mistaken in assuming it would run all games well. 
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			Uhhhhh.... I play on a gtx 760....I play on ultra, I get 60 FPS.   I'm a little confused   O.o?	
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Pro tip: Running cutting edge hardware is highly risky and some games simply won't perform well. It's the same deal with using 2 or more graphics cards-- it may be good for benchmarking, but you were highly mistaken in assuming it would run all games well. 
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Exactly this.  Way back in my EQ2 days I found that my top of the line gaming pc wouldn't run the game on more than 3-10fps.  ...Yet my daughter's old clunker ran it near flawlessly.  My conclusion?  The game was optimized for a much smaller/lesser pc set up than the one I had.  I pulled my old system out of the closet (I'm notorious for not throwing stuff away when I should) and it ran great there too.  I know that's just one game with no connection to this one but its a good lesson to learn.
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WoW has inferior graphics.
 
I played WS on release last year and quit because of a bad laptop, I couldn't get more than 35 fps. I came back with a new laptop and busting out 75 fps, the game is much more enjoyable. I personally hate playing on low graphics.
 
Maybe compromise with playing on lower gfx settings/ resolution?	
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I can understand the 8Gb of RAM thing if all you having running is the game and only required windows services plus the standard amount memory the OS needs.. I have 16Gb of RAM and I use about 10Gb when running games and all my background crap. Also it's possible that you've set the nvidia control panel settings to override in game settings maybe check that. You could have driver issues update all your drivers. Monitor your CPU/RAM and Disk I/O performance to see if there are any issues it could be faulty hardware.
 
You can't just say I have the best stuff so my game should be perfect. Because I run better hardware and my game is mint.	
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I average around 40+ in group content of 20ish. Texture Quality is the only thing I believe that isn't at max which can go to Ultra High.
 
In Thyad where it's usually pretty full I'm still staying around 45+ unless I'm on my Mount jumping or playing on my Hover-boards. When I do that it can get in the 30s depending on how many are in the zone.
 
With my latest Character standing in Algoroc with 28 player's 'nearby' I'm getting 55-85 depending on if I'm turning the camera or running/jumping. In open world just doing mission it's 65-95+ depending on what's going on or how many other Characters are around.
 
Specs:
Gigabyte GA-G1. Sniper M5
Intel I5 4670K @3.4 - 3.8 turbo/stock. (The pump went out on my cooling system so I put the stock cooler on and set it back to default :angry: ) Fixing that *soon.
EVGA SuperClocked GTX 770 4GB 
GSkill Trident-X 16 GB DDR3 1600
Crucial M500 480GB SATA III SSD (Main)
Western Digitial Blue 2TB (storage)
NZXT 750 PSU
 
I'm using the the NVIDIA GeForce recommend setting of:
Cluster Distance - 128
View Distance - 512
View Distance (Horizon) - 2048
Anti-aliasing - FXAA 5
Cluster Density - High
Dynamic Shadows - High
Render Resolution - Normal
Resolution 1920X1080
Small Object Detail - High
Surface Material Quality - Normal
Texture Filtering - Anisotropic
Texture Quality - High
 
EDIT: I use ShadowPlay for my FPS Counter and to record Video while In game (BTW).
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	Edited October 15, 2015 by Equa1ity	
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30 fps is bad????
Dont tell me you failed a dungeon run and blaming your fps now :3
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I agree with the OP I also have a very decent computer and barely get above 25 frames during raid with all graphics on ultralow, alot of addons off, using the reduced particle effects code.
 
People saying "well I play at 30 fps and the game is fine" are pretty delusional, please consider taking a step back and not shilling so hard. This is PC gaming not console, my screen is 144hz and raiding at an fps that low is an absolute eye sore too me. I have put the money it to my computer i expect to be able to play every game at a minimum of 60 fps in every situation. Is it possible to raid with 30 fps? of course. Is it in anyway enjoyable? for many of us no! we are used to seeing silky smooth framerates and indeed it does impact game play at high levels. You know what the number 1 thing you can do to improve your performance at a game like CS GO is? Upgrading to a monitor with a better refresh rate.
 
Here are my specs if anyone has got any tips or advice.
 
- Geforce GTX 980
- Intel Core i7-5960x overclocked 4.2
- 32 gig ram
- 500gig SSD
 
Am I quitting over bad fps? No. Should it be improved? definitely. Should you guys be telling people that playing on 25 fps is fine? No, that's ridiculous consider not fanboying so hard.	
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99% of the time I dont even bother with performance or ram threads here.
 
but I can say I have 64gb ram on my workstation at home and wildstar makes the system use more than 8gb all the time there is enough ram there to let it use as much as it wants.  I have installed the game directly into ram before on a ram drive.
 
oh and the ultra texture almost hit the 6gb texture ram  in some parts of the game.
 
 
this is also more ram that starwars battlefront beta uses with everything on ultra that I was playing this weekend.
 
I keep saying to the 8gb and 4gb ram people that it is not really enough but they never want to face reality So I stop bothering to bring it up every week it pops up.
 
			
				
	Edited October 13, 2015 by Cubical	
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Regardless of how much i believe this a good game, great even, one thing remains, it runs really bad! 
 
My specs 
 
gtx980ti (best on the market)
I7- 3.40ghz (far above average)
8GB ddr3 RAM (More than any game should need)
 
I average about 50-65 frames with normal gameplay and drop to 30 frames in group play, where frames matter most. Before you go doubting the ability of my PC, note that i run Rust, Witcher 3, ESO, Archeage, and WoW at 60+ frames at 1440p. There is something wrong with this game! I also disabled some add ons as recommended by the community, no excuse!!!
 
Unless there is some magic solution i don't know of, this game has almost no potential to survive long term, as it runs like poop. 
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Regardless of how much i believe this a good game, great even, one thing remains, it runs really bad! 
 
My specs 
 
gtx980ti (best on the market)
I7- 3.40ghz (far above average)
8GB ddr3 RAM (More than any game should need)
 
I average about 50-65 frames with normal gameplay and drop to 30 frames in group play, where frames matter most. Before you go doubting the ability of my PC, note that i run Rust, Witcher 3, ESO, Archeage, and WoW at 60+ frames at 1440p. There is something wrong with this game! I also disabled some add ons as recommended by the community, no excuse!!!
 
Unless there is some magic solution i don't know of, this game has almost no potential to survive long term, as it runs like poop. 
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	Edited October 13, 2015 by Brain Woodstock	
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	Edited October 13, 2015 by Brain Woodstock	
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Low ram is one problem the other is multi core cpu's this is why wildstar runs bad on amd or 6 core intel cpu's 
 
I run an old 4 core i7 with 16gb of ram with a gtx 780 on max with no problems. 
 
More power on less cores is better for old games.	
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I agree with the OP I also have a very decent computer and barely get above 25 frames during raid with all graphics on ultralow, alot of addons off, using the reduced particle effects code.
 
People saying "well I play at 30 fps and the game is fine" are pretty delusional, please consider taking a step back and not shilling so hard. This is PC gaming not console, my screen is 144hz and raiding at an fps that low is an absolute eye sore too me. I have put the money it to my computer i expect to be able to play every game at a minimum of 60 fps in every situation. Is it possible to raid with 30 fps? of course. Is it in anyway enjoyable? for many of us no! we are used to seeing silky smooth framerates and indeed it does impact game play at high levels. You know what the number 1 thing you can do to improve your performance at a game like CS GO is? Upgrading to a monitor with a better refresh rate.
 
Here are my specs if anyone has got any tips or advice.
 
- Geforce GTX 980
- Intel Core i7-5960x overclocked 4.2
- 32 gig ram
- 500gig SSD
 
Am I quitting over bad fps? No. Should it be improved? definitely. Should you guys be telling people that playing on 25 fps is fine? No, that's ridiculous consider not fanboying so hard.
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Why would you say it's "highly risky"?
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			holy crap you still play... well play on the forums. ( Actually it hasn't been that long my bad. ) Sorry I'm a bit of an Olivar fanboi.
			
				
	Edited October 13, 2015 by Aftershockz	
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IF u using macro software ( play while assigned key is pressed) in combat  , it will drop below 30fps :)
Marco using too many cpu while executing !!!	
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Pro tip: Running cutting edge hardware is highly risky and some games simply won't perform well. It's the same deal with using 2 or more graphics cards-- it may be good for benchmarking, but you were highly mistaken in assuming it would run all games well. 
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If you go from playing other games in 60fps to Wildstar at 30 you really will tell the difference and it makes it horrible to play. I get 60+ fps in wildstar but it tanks sometimes to < 10. This doesn't make for a good gameplay experience.
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 wondering why 30 fps is so awful and would make an encounter unplayable
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http://30vs60.com/ 
 
According to much of my research before not everyone is going to notice a difference, however some games look like crap and very unrealistic in 60fps. gGames are designed to be at lower fps therefor you need to be able to read the animations of an action game for example so you can control your movements better.
 
I think many are fooling themselves with certain games because I know for a fact that it does not always work in certain games. Then you have the whole theory about the human eye picking it up or not, and again this falls into the category of only some people able to see it.
 
Your not going to magically click your skills better or will animate any faster at higher frame rates in an mmorpg anyways, ive never heard of an mmorpg that somehow runs faster better at 60 fps anyways.
			
				
	Edited October 13, 2015 by Xorian	
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Regardless of how much i believe this a good game, great even, one thing remains, it runs really bad! 
 
My specs 
 
gtx980ti (best on the market)
I7- 3.40ghz (far above average)
8GB ddr3 RAM (More than any game should need)
 
I average about 50-65 frames with normal gameplay and drop to 30 frames in group play, where frames matter most. Before you go doubting the ability of my PC, note that i run Rust, Witcher 3, ESO, Archeage, and WoW at 60+ frames at 1440p. There is something wrong with this game! I also disabled some add ons as recommended by the community, no excuse!!!
 
Unless there is some magic solution i don't know of, this game has almost no potential to survive long term, as it runs like poop. 
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Regardless of how much i believe this a good game, great even, one thing remains, it runs really bad! 
 
My specs 
 
gtx980ti (best on the market)
I7- 3.40ghz (far above average)
8GB ddr3 RAM (More than any game should need)
 
I average about 50-65 frames with normal gameplay and drop to 30 frames in group play, where frames matter most. Before you go doubting the ability of my PC, note that i run Rust, Witcher 3, ESO, Archeage, and WoW at 60+ frames at 1440p. There is something wrong with this game! I also disabled some add ons as recommended by the community, no excuse!!!
 
Unless there is some magic solution i don't know of, this game has almost no potential to survive long term, as it runs like poop. 
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http://30vs60.com/
 
According to much of my research before not everyone is going to notice a difference, however some games look like crap and very unrealistic in 60fps. gGames are designed to be at lower fps therefor you need to be able to read the animations of an action game for example so you can control your movements better.
 
I think many are fooling themselves with certain games because I know for a fact that it does not always work in certain games. Then you have the whole theory about the human eye picking it up or not, and again this falls into the category of only some people able to see it.
 
Your not going to magically click your skills better or will animate any faster at higher frame rates in an mmorpg anyways, ive never heard of an mmorpg that somehow runs faster better at 60 fps anyways.
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Hi there! What you "SHOULD" do is the following stuffs:
 
Lower some graphic settings such as: 
Shadows.
FXAA / AA.
 
U can also run the game in DX 9 by going to propertise on the game icon and at target u write in -dx 9 at the end. Forcing the game to run in 9 instead of 11.
 
Disable 2 INGAME ADDONS and replace with addons from curse.
InGame Addons: Search for Target and disable all.
As well CombatLog. 
 
These impact fps quiet a lot and use ForgeUI as addon instead. 
 
Hope this helps! 	
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My guess is, it is a memory leak somewhere, as, the longer I play the worse it gets.
Somehow anyways I managed to get rid of the hard performance issues, so it just have some stuttering if a lot of new content comes at once.
 
This is what I did exactly:
1) Turn off Combat Log from UI-Addons. I dunnoe if its still using that much ressources but my result speaks for itself.
2) Started Nvidia Afterburn for the game, overclocked the Graphic Card as well as the RAM a bit. Updated the cooler-graph to start cooling harder if temp goes up.
3) Run the game as Admin in XP SP3 Compatibility-Version
4) Lower Ingame Graphics. I still have Texture and some settings on high. But I lowerd magic-effects on others as well
as the Field of View (someone might give the Chat-Code for that. I forgot it already :P)
 
My Rig is not that decent with an old i5 21xx Quadcore and a GTX770 as well as 8 GB RAM and 450W PS.
			
				
	Edited October 13, 2015 by JimmyInsane	
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I'm going to go with crap antivirus and a cupcake load of services running stupidly in the background. There is no way on ultra low settings you should get that bad fps. Could also be bad drivers. There's also probably no need to overclock the cpu.. are you memory timings right for that overclock or did you just press the "turbo" button on the bios and not even bother to check.
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I would at least try some of the advice given. There's quite a few great ideas in the thread, disabling unnecessary add-ons, trying a different UI, possibly add more Ram if you can, etc.
			
				
	Edited October 14, 2015 by Equa1ity	
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			 The good thing about coming from the days of commador 64...is you learn to appreciate the graphics of the new stuff even if it looks like watching a flip book while your playing :D	
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For some reason when i downloaded a addon for change the floating text that was being excesive won 25 fps just for it, there is something wrong whit the vanilla combat text, try it maybe works for you.
 
http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/228523-nctI use that one is rlly good and customizable, it goes into %appdata%/ncsoft/wildstar/addons	
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/eval Apollo.SetConsoleVariable("spell.visualSuppression", 1.0) 
 
setting that to 0 will suppress nothing, setting it to 1 will suppress everything, anything inbetween is inbetween
 
If you can stand to do it, i would highly recommend going down to 1080p, since 1440p can be pretty heavy.
 
I run on low everything settings using a gtx 970 and an i7-4790k and have no problems at all.  Remember the game is processor heavy.
I also have a habit of running low on everything for any game I play, regardless if I can handle the high specs or not, because i value performance over fancy shaders and things like motion blur which are often distracting.
			
				
	Edited October 14, 2015 by MoePork	
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I play on a laptop and get better frames than you. SHAME
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			I play on a laptop and get better frames than you. SHAME	
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			Ripping on the guy for having a problem instead of supporting the devs in fixing the problem. Only the Wildstar community is this *cupcake*ing vicious. Shame on you.	
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This community never ceases to amaze me. The guy clearly has a rig that should be able to run the game at optimal settings and he's frustrated about the optimization holding him back. Community response is to just dumb down the settings like the rest of us and be thankful for your 30fps. What a sad state of affairs this community has become.
 
We're the consumers, we should be demanding a better product. You guys act like playing this game is some kind of special priviledge and no one should point out its flaws. It's no secret that Wildstar has had optimization issues since day one, and while it has gotten better, that doesn't mean there isn't still much more work to be done. It saddens me how easily gamers are willing to settle for subpar performance these days. "Well you guys used to be a D, but now you're a B- so I guess that's good enough." Pathetic.	
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			Oh well, everyone and their mom reporting "Intel CPU and everythingsfine". 1.5 AMD FX users are clearly wrecked, cause there is no reason to fix it, who really cares that ANY other game runs perfectly fine on AMD FX, right?	
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Since we're dropping specs
 
i7-4790k
ASUS Maximus VII Hero
EVGA GTX980 Superclocked ACX2.0
16 GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866
Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD
All ran on Windows 10 64 bit
 
Here's me building it if you'd like to see how gorgeous my baby is - http://pcpartpicker.com/b/gvFdnQ
 
The game never dips below 40 fps for me. Not sure what you're doing wrong, but you might wanna fix it...	
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Since we're dropping specs
 
i7-4790k
ASUS Maximus VII Hero
EVGA GTX980 Superclocked ACX2.0
16 GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866
Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD
All ran on Windows 10 64 bit
 
Here's me building it if you'd like to see how gorgeous my baby is - http://pcpartpicker.com/b/gvFdnQ
 
The game never dips below 40 fps for me. Not sure what you're doing wrong, but you might wanna fix it...
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Very nice! Your case looks similar to mine. I'm using the Shinobi XL. My color's scheme is Purple and Green.
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Some Video option tweaks to consider trying, before you panic (DON'T PANIC):
- Vertical Sync off- Both View Distances somewhere around mid of slider- Dynamic Shadows low or off
- Particle Scale low- Group Spell effects ultra low
 
Neither effects the look of the game much, but can boost performance a great deal.
			
				
	Edited October 14, 2015 by Ng Mui	
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Hm it is kinda hard to determine where those problems come from.
I mean the polygon-count can't be higher than with Assassins Creed Unity, which I could play on High settings.
 
I really guess its a combination of Memory-Leak (you notice it when you play longer, the game gets stuttery) and
CPU-Bottle-neck. I think I've read somewhere that this game uses more CPU than GPU while also not using multicore.
 
Next point is the UI. Some of those "addons" really are inperformant and uses a lot of calculation-time.
That's why the CPU is struggling with a lot of calculations in many threads.
 
Thats just my guess. I can't definitly say if it's correct.	
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Mmorpg issues can be anything when in it comes to lag issues, just because you have the best graphics card does not mean that mmorpg will run better, the game has ran fine for me, ive known people to have much lower specs on pcs and run games better then I.
 
Its just tricky.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cYQV62WhkM
			
				
	Edited October 17, 2015 by Xorian	
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