Meeting:20140525/minutes

Muchacha
O/
Heh.
3:51
JosephHawk
usually, these meetings start 5-10 minutes late
wb
3:52
Muchacha
I'll come back at 4 exactly.
3:53
JosephHawk
okay! 
Hey JCM!
New changes to the fanon wiki, eh?
3:57
JCM
hey
3:59
JosephHawk
Hey Andrew
Welcome to the SpongeBobia Wiki chat 
4:01
AMK152
there we go
I had trouble getting in
4:01
JosephHawk
ah, that's fine
AW10 has joined the chat. 
4:01
JosephHawk
Hey Antonio!
4:01
AW10
Hello
4:02
JosephHawk
shall we begin?
4:02
AMK152
yes
hold on
ok
yes
let me get the agenda
Muchacha has joined the chat. 
4:03
Muchacha
Hi.
4:03
JosephHawk
Muchacha, you're late :P
4:03
Muchacha
I had to plug up my tablet.
It was almost dead.
4:03
JosephHawk
I'm just messing with ya, it's fine
4:03
Muchacha
I know.
You said meetings always begin late.
Agenda, please.
4:04
AMK152
I notified Spongebob456
ok we will start
1. Fanon wiki stuff (including logo and background)
how is the logo and background coming?
4:05
Muchacha
Fanon wiki stuff.
Hmm.
4:05
JosephHawk
I would definitely like to see a new background
4:05
Muchacha
Black is dark.
4:05
JosephHawk
The current one is… well, somewhat boring
4:05
Muchacha
Dark is gloomy.
4:05
JCM
I just uploaded the new logo
4:05
AMK152
ok
4:05
JosephHawk
When will you add it?
4:05
Muchacha
Link, please?
4:05
JCM
But the theme designer is giving me a headache so it'll be a while before you actually see it
4:06
Muchacha
Can we make the background not black?
4:06
JosephHawk
Okay, that might be the reason
4:06
JCM
I already changed the background
4:06
Muchacha
Ok. Good.
4:06
JosephHawk
I still see the one with SpongeBob and Patrick
4:06
AW10
I have totally forgottoten on my background sceme
forgotten*
4:06
Muchacha
schene
scheme
4:07
AMK152
it's not ready yet?
4:07
JosephHawk
JCM: Are you going to upload a new background photo?
4:07
Muchacha
Spongebob and patrick are fine.
4:07
AMK152
AW10 had something in a Dropbox folder
4:07
Muchacha
They should stay, just make the background look better.
4:07
AW10
yes, but I can construct pararely with this meeting
Spongebob456 has joined the chat. 
4:08
Spongebob456
o/
4:08
Muchacha
Hello.
4:08
AMK152
ok
4:08
JosephHawk
Hello!
4:08
AMK152
hello
ok, other Fanon wiki stuff... JosephHawk was blocked today for helping the wiki
4:08
Muchacha
And he almost got hacked.
4:08
JosephHawk
yippee...
4:09
AMK152
and then unblocked and blocked again and unblocked and promoted to admin and then demoted and then blocked and then unblocked and re-promoted
4:09
JosephHawk
it has been a fun roller coaster ride
4:09
Muchacha
Wow.
4:09
JosephHawk
The issue is DoNotLickPotatoes
4:09
AW10
What?
4:09
JosephHawk
They will not allow change to the wiki
they want it to fail
4:09
AMK152
yeah
4:09
Muchacha
DoNotLickPotatoes is a sock.
4:10
AW10
nobody likes to change
4:10
AMK152
I have been talking with Sci about it too
4:10
Muchacha
I heard his other accounts got a global.
4:10
JosephHawk
Why are they not blocked?
4:10
AMK152
JCM: what was your next idea in your plan for the Fanon wiki, after the most recent demotins?
Wikia Staff I don't think is available on weekends
4:11
JosephHawk
You're correct
4:11
Spongebob456
No, nor are they Tuesday I believe. Memorial day or something?
4:11
Muchacha
I think we should get the fanon wiki bigger.
Yes.
Memorial day weekend.
4:11
AMK152
Sci and I talked about having a discussion that discusses which bureaucrats should keep there powers and which should not
4:11
JosephHawk
Nick seems to biased by Potatoes...
too*
4:12
AMK152
yeah, I thought he was all for the Fanon wiki changes
He told me he was going to retire, so I don't know what he is thinking
4:12
Muchacha
He nearly hacked Joseph's account.
4:12
JosephHawk
he did not...
He was just bluffing
4:12
Muchacha
Good.
4:12
Spongebob456
It is highly unlikely he would.
4:12
AMK152
I wish I knew more about IHeartSpongeBob supposedly being hacked
4:13
JosephHawk
I think they were a sock puppet of his
4:13
Spongebob456
Was he/she?
@AMK
4:13
JCM
IHeartSpongeBob was hacked
4:13
AMK152
yes, IHS was globallyed after being hacked
4:13
Muchacha
I heard IHeartSpongeBob and Potatoes are socks.
4:13
JCM
Rarity also hacked some other users, but none of them were connected to spongefan
4:13
Muchacha
It might have just been a chat rumor.
4:13
JCM
Potatoes is a sock of Rarity
4:14
AMK152
JCM: what is next for the SB Fanon wiki, after the most recent demotions?
4:14
Muchacha
Then global him for sockpuppetry.
4:14
JCM
I just changed the chat to IRC
4:14
Spongebob456
Dear me, the fanon wiki has been through some problems |:
4:14
AMK152
ok
4:14
JCM
I'll probably focus on the logo and background after that
4:14
AMK152
ok
so... next item
2. Ideas for spongebobia.wikia.com
Ideas for this wiki right here where we are chatting
4:15
Spongebob456
This is the network wiki?
4:15
AMK152
like for the entire network
yeah
4:15
JosephHawk
Make it the center database
4:15
Muchacha
I thought this wiki was just for the secret chat.
4:15
AMK152
www.spongebobia.com <-- I bought this domain last month
4:15
JosephHawk
No, we have plans for it
4:16
Muchacha
What kind of pages will be here?
4:16
AMK152
afterward, we will ahve to move the secret chat
4:16
AW10
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Encyclopedia_SpongeBobia/network
ntewtork tempalte
4:16
AMK152
yeah
4:16
JosephHawk
yep
4:16
AMK152
we will have network stuff, informational pages, etc.
4:16
JosephHawk
No SpongeBob articles
4:17
AMK152
So I was just trying to collect more ideas
4:17
AW10
we can use logo form that page for the spongebobia
4:17
Muchacha
Pages about users
4:17
Spongebob456
^
4:17
JosephHawk
Eh, I dislike that idea.
(pages about users)
4:17
Muchacha
Why?
4:17
JosephHawk
people would vandalize them
a lot
4:17
Muchacha
Not if we protect them.
4:17
AW10
we can revret vandalism
4:17
Spongebob456
A bit like this http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Central:Admins_and_mods
4:18
JosephHawk
For all users, or just admins and mods like on central?
4:18
Spongebob456
Perhaps an article or multiple articles devoted to the admins of the wikis in the network.
4:18
Muchacha
What about mods?
Do they get descriptions?
4:18
AMK152
I like that idea
4:18
JosephHawk
So, admins and bureaucrats of the different networks?
4:18
AMK152
yes
4:19
Spongebob456
I like that.
4:19
JosephHawk
Yea, that could work
4:19
AMK152
and profile pages
4:19
Spongebob456
An article for each Admin?
4:19
Muchacha
Could I get something too?
4:19
JosephHawk
Hmmm
I would say not each person get an article
but like on central
4:19
Muchacha
And could I have a page if I became admin?
4:19
AMK152
as a Rollbacker and Chat moderator, yes Muchacha
4:19
JosephHawk
everyone shares a page :)
4:19
Spongebob456
Yeah, perhaps one article per set of admins per wiki.
4:19
JosephHawk
^
4:19
AMK152
of course we can start working on it and see how it goes
4:20
JosephHawk
Okay, but we must give this wiki a background first :P
4:20
Muchacha
We could make it yellow.
With SB characters.
4:20
Spongebob456
Maybe we could also copy/paste the other wikis' guidelines to this wiki as a central hub.
4:20
AMK152
yeah
4:20
Muchacha
Yeah!
4:20
JosephHawk
We need to make this Wiki the information database for all the network
4:21
Spongebob456
Yep.
4:21
AMK152
also, a place to make chat schedules, especially if someone wants to host trivia or something on a scheduled basis
4:21
Muchacha
Yeah.
4:21
JosephHawk
Yes
4:21
Muchacha
I love trivia.
4:21
Spongebob456
Also, just a whole article per wiki. You know, the history of the wiki etc
4:21
AMK152
and the main page can serve as the main informational center
yeah
4:21
JosephHawk
Yep
Someone write this stuff down ;)
4:21
AMK152
I am already
4:21
Muchacha
And an article on vandalism and bad users.
4:21
JosephHawk
perfect
4:21
Spongebob456
 (y)
4:22
Muchacha
Thanks.
4:22
JosephHawk
hmmm, I don't know if we should have an article on bad users...
4:22
Spongebob456
lol of course not
4:22
Muchacha
I mean, people like 120d.
4:22
AMK152
In fact, we can also have history of SpongeBob fan sites in general, to show how we are a part of SB fandom history
4:22
Spongebob456
120d is not an Admin, mod or rollback so won't have an article anyway
4:22
JosephHawk
^
4:23
Spongebob456
Yep, agree with that.
4:23
Muchacha
So next section?
4:23
JosephHawk
Muchacha, AMK will say when we are done
4:23
AMK152
I will put this list on the wiki, and everyone can start working on stuff whenever they want. We don't really need any discussions/proposals unless we end up disagreeing somewhere
4:23
Muchacha
0k.
4:23
JosephHawk
I think we should start building the wiki
4:23
Spongebob456
Also, why not provide links to other Spongebob themed wikis? Like, I know they're not part of the network, but mainly to plug the fandom.
4:23
AMK152
yeah
4:23
JosephHawk
I like that
4:23
AMK152
Wikia and non-Wikia
4:23
Spongebob456
Yep, agree.
4:24
Muchacha
Like Spongebuddy?
4:24
JosephHawk
Agreed.
4:24
Muchacha
Sure.
4:24
AMK152
then if someone wants to retire, they can have the option of merging with us at any time
4:24
JosephHawk
perfect
4:24
AMK152
especially for abandoned wikis and small SB sites
SpongePedia, for example, is... like... dying
4:24
JosephHawk
really?
4:24
Muchacha
Ok. Cool.
4:24
AMK152
yes
some admins went on a "protect every page" rampage
and no one really edits there anymore
they used to have more pages than us
4:25
Muchacha
So email them
Ask them to merge
4:25
JosephHawk
Too soon
let's establish this wiki first
4:25
Muchacha
When it dies I mean
4:25
AMK152
not just yet, there is already enough going on now
but in the future
4:25
Spongebob456
lol one thing at a time xD
4:26
JosephHawk
^ :P
4:26
AMK152
ok, next item...
3. Master chat room pages on each wiki
4:26
Spongebob456
Uhh, what does that mean?
4:26
Muchacha
Master chat room?
4:26
AMK152
this is an idea to have a chat link to all chat rooms in the network...
4:26
Muchacha
Ok
4:26
Spongebob456
Ah, yes.
4:26
Muchacha
I like that.
4:26
JosephHawk
I actually don't think that is necessary. The only chat is the SpongeBob wiki one
4:26
Spongebob456
That's quite simple.
4:26
AW10
where it will be put?
4:27
Muchacha
On the homepage
4:27
AMK152
in replace of the current link
4:27
Muchacha
Somewhere
4:27
AMK152
instead of going right to the chat, there is a list of chat rooms
4:27
Muchacha
Yeah.
4:27
AMK152
ESB, Fanon, and Answers
4:27
Muchacha
I love it
4:27
AW10
so, on every site in the network?
4:27
JosephHawk
Fanon doesn't have a chat room
4:27
AMK152
yes
Fanon has an IRC chat now
4:27
Muchacha
So x that out
4:27
Spongebob456
IMO the spongebob wiki should be the main chat room :p
4:28
AMK152
yeah, it will be
4:28
JosephHawk
Agreed
4:28
Muchacha
It should.
4:28
AW10
it will be hard to modify wikia's chat box
4:28
AMK152
of course, in the future, we can always disable all but one
4:28
Spongebob456
Might be against ToU also.
4:28
Muchacha
Whats wrong with coding?
4:28
AMK152
I am talking about just a normal page
4:28
JosephHawk
It might be @Bob
4:28
Muchacha
Yeah.
4:28
JosephHawk
I'll check and see
4:28
AMK152
not modifying the chat code
4:29
Spongebob456
Yeah, perhaps a list of the chatrooms on the main page or another article would be good.
4:29
AW10
maybe haveing it as another main page box?
4:29
Spongebob456
^
4:29
Muchacha
I was thinking a colorful template listing the chat rooms
4:29
JosephHawk
I like Antonio's idea
4:29
AMK152
something like that
I can make an example, and we can continue talking about it next meeting
4:29
Muchacha
Yeah, ok
4:29
Spongebob456
Ok
4:29
JosephHawk
Alright
4:30
AMK152
next item...
4:30
AW10
ok
4:30
Muchacha
Ready
4:31
AMK152
4. Main page redesign
4:31
JosephHawk
for ESB, right?
not all the wikis
4:31
Muchacha
I like the redesign idea.
4:31
AMK152
yes
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Main_Page_Redesign_(2014)
4:31
JCM
the fanon community already agreed to a main page redesign, but i'll start on that later
4:31
Muchacha
The community corner looks good.
4:31
AMK152
discussion ends in the morning, 10 AM eastern time
4:32
Muchacha
I already supported.
4:32
AMK152
ok
4:32
JosephHawk
Likewise
I think we all are good on that, right?
4:32
Muchacha
Oh i neutralized.
I like it though.
4:32
AMK152
when it passes, it can be implemented immediately
4:32
Spongebob456
Yep, love the design.
4:32
Muchacha
Ok.
4:32
AMK152
but, the User/Article of the month will not start until July
4:33
Spongebob456
Ok.
4:33
Muchacha
The community corner on the side. Looks good.
4:33
JosephHawk
awww, okay
4:33
AMK152
instead, both sections will link to a nomination page
4:33
JosephHawk
gotcha
4:33
AW10
what about user/article month format?
4:33
Muchacha
Could I be nominated if I made enough edits and became admin?
4:33
JosephHawk
another user has to nominate you
4:33
Spongebob456
Any user can be nominated.
4:33
Muchacha
Ok.
4:33
AMK152
WAIT
4:34
Spongebob456
Yeah, I suggest *no* self-nominations.
4:34
AMK152
this brings us to our next item...
4:34
JosephHawk
what's the matter?
4:34
AMK152
5. Article/user of the month policies and procedures
4:34
Spongebob456
xD
4:34
JosephHawk
oh okay
 :P
4:34
AMK152
Hold on, let me get up my drafted proposal
JCM has left the chat. 
4:34
JosephHawk
I move that a person cannot nominate themselves
4:34
Muchacha
Me too
4:35
AMK152
ok, here is my drafted proposal for how the User of the Mont hwill work
4:35
JosephHawk
Okay
4:36
Muchacha
Bring it on
4:36
AMK152
I will copy and paste in sections
:*1. This is awarded to one user each month, who will be featured on the homepage, and contain a link to a page that highlights why they received the award and the work they have done. 
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4:36
JCM
I'd still rather move the nickipedia template somewhere else
Having a lot of external links on the main page hurts a wiki's SEO
4:36
Muchacha
Good so far
4:36
JosephHawk
JCM, we moved past that discussion ;)
4:36
AW10
can you put it on pastebin?
4:36
JosephHawk
I like that AMK
4:36
Spongebob456
I thought it improved it. ;)
4:36
AMK152
:*2. Procedures ::*a. These clauses outline the process of the SpongeBobian of the Month award. 
4:36
Muchacha
Ok.
4:37
AMK152
or User of the Month, whatever we call it
4:37
Muchacha
Spongebobia
4:37
JosephHawk
I prefer User
4:37
Muchacha
Spongebobian
4:37
AMK152
::*b. Eligibility :::*i. A user must have contributed for at least one (1) month in order to qualify. :::*ii. A user must have made at least one hundred (100) edits in order to qualify. :::*iii. Anyone cannot nominate any other user except themselves. :::*iv. Anyone who requests that another user nominate them will be disqualified for six (6) months. :::*v. Anyone who complains that they have not been nominated will be disqualified for six (6) months.
4:37
Muchacha
Ok.
4:37
JosephHawk
I have an issue with iii
JCM has left the chat. 
4:37
AMK152
why?
4:37
JosephHawk
Wait, my bad
I read it wrong
4:37
AMK152
ok...
JCM has joined the chat. 
4:38
AW10
 (y)
4:38
Muchacha
Wb
4:38
AMK152
::*c. Nomination process :::*i. The nominator will create a nomination page and list reasons why the person should be nominated. :::*ii. Everyone except the user who is nominated can contribute to the discussion and show their support or oppose for the nomination. 
4:38
JCM
the chat apparently froze after amk said "instead, both sections will link to a nomination page"
4:38
Spongebob456
lol
4:38
Muchacha
Ok
4:38
JosephHawk
 (y)
4:38
AMK152
:::*iii. Nomination discussions expire after (3) months. After this, a user can be renominated. :::*iv. On the last day of each month the next month's SpongeBobian of the Month will be determined based on the following formula: (Number of Supports)-(Number of Opposed)=Nomination Rating. The current user with the highest nomination rating at the time will be awarded "SpongeBobian of the Month" for the following month. 
4:38
AW10
how we will inform users about the exisitng nominations?
4:39
JosephHawk
Highlighted thread?
4:39
Muchacha
I cant wait to be nominated.
What about consolation prizes?
4:39
AMK152
Community Portal
4:39
Muchacha
For second placers
4:39
JosephHawk
Ah, that'll work
4:39
AW10
how about having one page and to nominate the user you need to add your name as asections
4:39
JosephHawk
There shouldn't be a second placer
only a winner
4:39
AW10
section*
and we have each page for each month
4:39
AMK152
second placers one month will probably be UOTM the following month
each nomination will work like the admin requests
4:40
Spongebob456
This might be in the next sections... but what happens if a user is named user of the month for consecutive months? Is that fair?
4:40
Muchacha
Ok. I'll just work hard.
4:40
AW10
yes, but all nomiantions on the same page
4:40
AMK152
so what does everyone thing about the policy/procedures?
4:40
AW10
like contests
4:40
AMK152
Yes, they will be listed on one page
4:40
JosephHawk
 (y)
4:40
Muchacha
Its good.
4:40
AMK152
with current on top and archived on the bottom
4:40
Spongebob456
All good.
4:41
JosephHawk
Sounds splendid
4:41
AW10
good
4:41
AMK152
ok
and it will work the same way for articles of the month
4:41
Spongebob456
Ok
4:41
AMK152
so I will put up those proposals later
4:41
Muchacha
Thatll do fine..
4:42
JosephHawk
Today AML?
AMK* 
4:42
AMK152
either later today or 2moro
ok, next item...
6. Seconds galleries
AW10, status? or timeline perhaps?
4:42
Muchacha
Seconds galleries arent needed.
4:43
AMK152
Muchacha: they are needed for my characters project
4:43
Muchacha
But some galleries need expansions.
4:43
Spongebob456
Seconds galleries???
4:43
AMK152
and if anyone is interested
they will NOT be on the wiki
they will be hosted here: spongebobia.wikia.com
4:43
Muchacha
Ok. But just for character galleries.
4:43
Spongebob456
What are seconds galleries?
4:43
AMK152
every second of every episode
4:43
Muchacha
A picture for every second
4:44
AMK152
SBM has these
4:44
Spongebob456
Oh blimey. A lot of work there/
4:44
JosephHawk
I oppose that
4:44
AMK152
AW10 already has them, 10 GB!
4:44
Muchacha
That's 660 pics.
4:44
AW10
yes
4:44
AMK152
they will not be on the wiki at all
4:44
Muchacha
I know.
4:44
JosephHawk
wait, then where will they be?
4:44
Muchacha
Here.
4:44
AMK152
www.spongebobia.com
not even at Wikia
AW10, do you still have your Help Wanted example?
there are several reasons for having these:
4:45
Spongebob456
I mean... yeah... I guess that'd be okay. A lot of work though.
4:45
AMK152
1. Identifying ever character and when they appeared (even minor) for appearance lists
4:45
Muchacha
660 pictures.
4:45
AMK152
2. Selecting the best screenshots for minor characters' bios
4:45
Muchacha
Wow.
4:46
JosephHawk
i'm going afk.
4:46
Muchacha
Ok.
You mean AMK.
4:46
AW10
It is supposed to ba gallery of images instead of the slideshow here: http://sbcaptures.freeserver.me/content/episodes/001a - Help Wanted.html
and it will have the same height, so scroll bar will be added
4:47
Muchacha
Cant see anything.
4:47
AMK152
AW10: when you upload them, I can help create the pages, unless you have a faster way of doing so
we would just need a template
4:47
AW10
I have created the pages already
4:48
AMK152
even better!
4:48
AW10
I jsut need to replace slideshow with float:left
4:48
Muchacha
I could help add some pics.
4:48
AMK152
what else needs to be done?
4:48
AW10
nothing, if I will use table for layout which is outdated
4:48
AMK152
ok
so all you need to do is upload the pages?
and images
4:49
Muchacha
Ok.
4:49
AW10
yes, after doing find replace
4:49
AMK152
ok
4:49
AW10
it will took few hours in totalk
4:49
Muchacha
So..
4:50
AMK152
ok let me know when you start it
4:50
AW10
ok
4:50
AMK152
and you can always break it down
1 season at a time or something
ok, next item...
7. Ideas for character articles / Character infobox
character proposal is almsot done
less than 3 hours to go
4:51
Spongebob456
We really need to start adding citations to prove statements.
4:51
AMK152
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Character_guidelines
4:51
Muchacha
Like, we could, have histories of how that character was created.
4:52
AMK152
we need to do to the characters what we did for episodes
4:52
JosephHawk
back gentlemen
4:52
AMK152
wb
like, formatting a character article
order of sections
4:52
Spongebob456
Yeah.
4:52
JCM
oh fun
4:52
Muchacha
We have a proposal for that.
4:52
Spongebob456
What about citations? Would that be a new proposal? lol
4:52
AMK152
==Looks== <-- this looks awful
4:52
JCM
tanner blocked joseph again
4:53
AMK152
==Appearance== <-- better, but meh
4:53
JosephHawk
JCM: PM
4:53
AMK152
yeah we had a proposal pass
4:53
Muchacha
Make it ==Appearance== instead.
4:54
AMK152
references template example: http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/User:AMK152/test10
4:54
JosephHawk
^ I like that
4:54
Muchacha
Lotsa STUFF.
4:54
AMK152
the thing is, characters are so much different than episodes, so this process needs to be step by step
yep
4:54
Spongebob456
AMK: I like that
4:55
Muchacha
Me too.
4:55
AMK152
all the citations is in MLA format: http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Data:References but all the airdates need to be filled in
4:55
Muchacha
Even though its just stuff.
4:55
AMK152
so that's where they are generated from
ok, so how shall we format an article in sections?
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4:56
Muchacha
Appearance, personality, talents, history, reception.
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4:56
Spongebob456
Perhaps try to emulate SpongeBob's article.
4:56
AMK152
yeah
and from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpongeBob_SquarePants_(character)
4:56
JosephHawk
JCM, did you get my pm?
4:57
Spongebob456
Yep, sounds good
4:57
AMK152
I can draft a proposal
but something like this:
==Character== - for development, role in show, etc.
==Biography== - describe the life of the character
==Personality== - describe personality/hobbies/etc.
4:58
Muchacha
Appearance?
4:58
AMK152
appearance can be a sub heading of personality
4:58
Muchacha
Ok
4:59
AMK152
i think we need a better word for personality
4:59
Muchacha
Personality is perfect
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4:59
AMK152
I guess, if something better comes up, we will discuss it then
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4:59
AMK152
then it is followed by
4:59
Muchacha
Hm.
4:59
AMK152
==References==
==External links==
4:59
Muchacha
Yes.
I like it.
5:00
AMK152
so a uniform arrangement
so like, the SB article
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5:01
AMK152
skills goes under personality
near death experiences goes under biography
5:01
Muchacha
Appearance under biography
5:01
AMK152
occupation, family, relationships under biography
appearance is more of a personality thing
5:02
Muchacha
Fine.
5:02
AMK152
"biography" is more history and fact base
we can have that in the proposal to see what everyone else thinks
ok, the other thing is the infobox
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5:03
Muchacha
Where is everyone?
5:03
AMK152
i don't know
5:03
JosephHawk
Sorry, I am still here
5:03
AMK152
Character infobox
5:03
JosephHawk
trying to get unblocked from the fanon wiki :P
5:03
AMK152
infoboxes for characters are getting rather long
many of those things can go under their section headings
5:04
AW10
I currently don't have ideas for characters
5:04
AMK152
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Character
5:04
Muchacha
Doesnt look long.
5:05
AMK152
eh, we can collect ideas on the infobox for the next meeting
5:05
Muchacha
Ok.
5:05
Spongebob456
gtg
5:05
AMK152
ok
5:05
Muchacha
The next section should liven things up.
5:05
Spongebob456
Will the notes from this be posted here?
5:05
AMK152
yeah
I will also e-mail them
5:05
Spongebob456
Ok thanks. Bye.
5:05
Muchacha
Cya
5:06
AMK152
any other ideas on character articles for now?
5:06
Muchacha
No.
5:06
AMK152
minor characters will be allowed their own articles whe nthe proposal passes in less than 2 hours
5:06
Muchacha
Dont think so.
Ok.
5:06
JosephHawk
Bye Bob!
5:06
AMK152
also, make sure any appearance list tables don't get removed
5:06
Muchacha
Bye-bye.
Right.
5:06
AMK152
ok, next item...
5:06
Muchacha
120d
5:07
AMK152
8. Modify administrator policies or alternative admin promotion process
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5:07
Muchacha
Oh.
5:07
AW10
only admins to support/oppose/neutral
allother via comments
5:07
AMK152
that is one idea
5:07
Muchacha
Ok.
5:07
AMK152
another is voter requirements
5:07
JosephHawk
I prefer voter reuiqrements
100+ Main space edits
5:07
Muchacha
Yeah.
5:07
JosephHawk
and must be on the wiki for 3 months
5:08
Muchacha
Gotcha.
5:08
AMK152
1 month
I drafted a modification of the admin policies
5:08
Muchacha
How about 2 months?
Ok
5:08
AMK152
you need to be here for 60 days to be an admin in the first place
5:08
Muchacha
Which I have been.
5:09
JosephHawk
Wait, so you must be an admin to vote?
5:09
Muchacha
No.
That wont work.
5:09
AMK152
you need to be active on the wiki for 60 days before you qualify to be an admin
5:09
AW10
1 mounth 500 edit main namespavce
5:09
JosephHawk
ohh okay
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5:09
AW10
no warnings
5:09
AMK152
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Policy#III._Discussions
5:09
Muchacha
>mounth
5:10
AW10
or blocks
5:10
AMK152
our current admin policy
5:10
JosephHawk
sounds good @Antonio
5:10
Muchacha
But what if the blocks are unfair?
5:10
AW10
1 mounth 500 edit main namespace, no warnings or blocks to vote
5:10
AMK152
sections A and B to remain the same
ok
then, I thought about adding this to section C of the bureaucrat requirements:
:*8. Any administrator requesting promotion to bureaucrat that does not meet the criteria outlined in clause 1, above, may be waived if the request is supported by all other active bureaucrats and the requestor has been an active administrator for at least one (1) year.
5:11
Muchacha
Ok. Sounds great
5:11
JosephHawk
I like that
5:12
AMK152
Spongebob456 is very worthy of bureaucrat, but has not been an active admin for 2 years yet, so I thought about stuff like that
at least until October
5:12
Muchacha
Yeah
5:12
AMK152
then next section
it will be changed, the application process
*D. Application Process :*A user seeking to be an administrator or bureaucrat must follow these procedures: ::*1. They must follow the requirements, or their application will be deleted by an administrator. ::*2. They must create a request page using the form, and provide a reason that follows the above criteria. ::*3. Applicants shall not use any images to advertise "support" for them, so as to discourage unqualified users who seek the support of others who do not consider their qualifications. ::*4. Applicants shall not force other users to support them. Applicants are allowed to notify other users of such discussion, without imposing an agenda (such as using images to advertise for support, as in clause 7, above).
thoughts?
5:13
Muchacha
Ok.
Good.
5:13
JosephHawk
I like that
5:14 - AMK152 - section E is longer
5:14 - AMK152 - *E. Decision Process
5:14 - AMK152 - ::*1. Any contributor can participate in the discussion of the applicant's request, as long as they meet the following criteria:
5:14 - AMK152 - :::*a. Participants must have at least one hundred (100) main namespace edits.
5:14 - AMK152 - :::*b. Participants must have been an active contributor for at least one (1) month.
5:14 - AMK152 - :::*c. Participants must leave a comment along with their support, oppose, or neutral, otherwise their opinion doesn't count in the final decision. 
5:14
JosephHawk
Perfect!
5:14
Muchacha
^
5:14
JosephHawk
I have been waiting for that :P
5:14
AMK152
yeah, you can't just sign your name
5:14
Muchacha
Brb
5:14 - AMK152 - ::*2. The applicant is promoted under the following circumstances:
5:14 - AMK152 - :::*a. If they have at least three (3) supports and no opposition one (1) week after the date and time of their application, they can be promoted.
5:14 - AMK152 - :::*b. If they have at least three (3) supports and any amount of opposition, the concerns of the opposition must be discussed until either the opposition changes to a support or neutral vote, or until the amount of supports account for at least three-quarters (75%) of those in the discussion.
5:14 - AMK152 - :::*c. If more than half (50%) of active administrators do not support the user's application, the request is unsuccessful and may be closed. 
5:15 - JosephHawk - oh wait!
5:15 - JosephHawk - I have something to bring up
5:15 - AMK152 - http://pastebin.com/69Pt8Lz6
5:15 - AMK152 - actually go there
5:15 - AMK152 - everything between and is different/new
5:15 - JosephHawk - OnioNS asked me what happens if your an admin on another ESB wiki, but do not have enough edit here
5:15 - JosephHawk - can you vote?
5:16
AMK152
good point
he brought that up to me too
5:16
JosephHawk
I say we add an additional clause
5:16
AMK152
::*1. Any contributor can participate in the discussion of the applicant's request, as long as they are an administrator within the SpongeBobia network or they meet the following criteria: 
under section E
5:17
JosephHawk
perfect
5:17
AMK152
so go to pastebin and look at the rest of the policy and tell me what you think
5:18
AW10
when we talk about promotion requrements we need ot use score
not amount of opposont and support
score of 5
5:18
AMK152
percentage?
75% currently
5:19
AW10
If they have at least three (3) supports and no opposition one (1) week after the date and time of their application, they can be promoted.
required score instead of that
5:19
Muchacha
I thought any contributor could vote, not just admins.
5:19
AMK152
yes contributors can
5:20
Muchacha
Ok good
5:20
AW10
you have added to many conditions to discussion process
it needs ot be simplifyed
in order for user to really follow them
5:20
Muchacha
Simplyfied
Hm.
5:21
AW10
decison process*
5:21
AMK152
AW10: I put in that one in case not many people were involved in the discussion
hmmm
how about just plain old at least 75% support?
5:21
Muchacha
Yes.
5:21
AW10
yesw
5:22
Muchacha
At least 75%.
5:22 - AW10 - by the way, fano wiki background tempalte: http://oi62.tinypic.com/2ufzqfb.jpg
5:22 - Muchacha - Maybe 70% would work too.
5:22 - JosephHawk - I like that Antonio!
5:22 - Muchacha - Cool.
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5:23 - AMK152 - new section E: http://pastebin.com/U1dk6zSU
5:23 - AMK152 - yeah! I like that oo!
5:23 - AMK152 - too
5:24 - Muchacha - How about 30 days?
5:24 - Muchacha - Thatd do.
5:24 - AMK152 - 30 days for what?
5:25 - Muchacha - Anyway, I was planning to reapply around the fourth of July, which isn't 45 days.
5:25 - AW10 - (y)
5:25 - AMK152 - oh that
5:25 - AMK152 - yeah, I had it at 30 days originally
5:25 - AMK152 - new full version: http://pastebin.com/597TDY7d
5:25 - AMK152 - any other thoughts on the admin process?
5:26
AW10
no
5:26
Muchacha
Nope.
5:27
AMK152
next item...
5:27 - Muchacha - Fresh out.
5:27 - AMK152 - 9. 120d's admin request/behavior
5:27 - Muchacha - Yes!
5:27 - AMK152 - we have dragged on the 120d situation much too long
5:27 - AMK152 - his adminship request will be done on Tuesday
5:27 - Muchacha - I agree.
5:28 - JosephHawk - He is out to get me blocked… sigh
5:28 - Muchacha - And I'm not being a bully henchman.
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5:28 - AMK152 - his behavior is slightly better, I'd say we just continue to monitor the situation, and don't make him angry
5:28 - Muchacha - He is harassing Road Runner.
5:28 - AW10 - he will not be promoted cosnider the amount of oppses
5:28 - AMK152 - yeah
5:28 - AW10 - my support doesn+t make a difference
5:28 - Muchacha - I'm changing to neutral myself.
5:28 - AW10 - so, I gues we wait for 45 days
5:28 - AMK152 - he is not neutral yet
5:28 - AMK152 - I changed it to 30 days
5:29 - AW10 - when he will reapply
5:29 - AMK152 - or should 45 days be okay?
5:29 - AMK152 - I think 30 days is good enough
5:29 - Muchacha - 30 days.
5:29 - AMK152 - that would mean June 27th for 120d
5:29 - AW10 - yes, 45 is maybe too long
5:29 - Muchacha - Ok.
5:29 - AMK152 - ok 30 days
5:29 - AW10 - June 25?
5:30 - AMK152 - his request ends the 27th
5:30 - AW10 - aha
5:30 - AMK152 - any other thoughts on 120d? I think the voter requirements will help
5:30 - Muchacha - What's wrong with one week with another added if theres no consensus.
5:30 - AMK152 - 120d was upset about "people who don't know him"
5:30 - AMK152 - if there is no consensus, than the person isn't ready to be an admin
5:31 - Muchacha - He doesnt like it when you take pictures of the tv.
5:32 - AMK152 - those aren't allowed anyway... low quality... but not block worthy
5:32 - AMK152 - anyone, are we done talking about 120d?
5:32 - AW10 - (y)
5:32 - Muchacha - And he refuses to listen to me, starting arguments.
5:32
AMK152
if he every starts an arguement, send me an e-mail so I can help immediately
ok, next item...
5:33
Muchacha
He thinks saying "he's right" isn't agreeing with someone, but being a copycat and a "bully henchman". He also accused me of doing it too after I said Tanner would never copy for a bad reason.
5:34
AMK152
I will look into it
10. Assessment for Wikia spotlight / main page protection
we have lessened the tension over the past few weeks, so we are more stable now
5:34
AW10
we need to set a jobs fro everyone willing to contribute making us more read yfor spotlight
and you need to ask staff to rate us
5:35
AMK152
every other spotlight requriement is fulfilled
5:35
Muchacha
And protecting the main page would be good.
Joseph accidentally deleted it with his custom fanon button.
And 120d got upset
5:36
AW10
you are saying that we can request right away?
spotlight
5:36
Muchacha
Guess so.
5:37
AMK152
with tonight's proposal, all characters with less than 10 appearances will not allowed to have their own appearance tab... lesseneing the amount of stubs
they will have their appearances table on their main article
5:37
Muchacha
Good.
5:37
AMK152
and yeah, it seems that the spotlight request thing is easier than I thought
the last thing is, main page should be unprotected
5:38
Muchacha
But it might be vandalized.
5:38
AMK152
as part of the spotlight requirements
5:38
JosephHawk
We have enough users to prevent vandalism
5:38
AW10
yes 13 admins
5:38
AMK152
that is why I waited for the meeting
so we can all make sure we pay close attention to the main page
5:38
AW10
we seem to be trying to avoid vandalism isntead of preventing it
5:38
Muchacha
And pending 14, but probably not.
5:38
AMK152
I am going to unprotect it after 120d's admin request is done
5:39
Muchacha
Its already unprotected.
5:39
AW10
okay
5:39
Muchacha
It doesnt say view source
5:40
AMK152
hmmm
i don't see it in the log
5:40
Muchacha
Sooo slowww
5:40
AMK152
perhaps when I moved the page to Encyclopedia SpongeBobia?
5:40
Muchacha
Yes.
5:40
AMK152
yeah, it's not protected, and it's been like that for 1 month
5:40
Muchacha
Maybe.
5:40
AMK152
LOL we are good on that for the spotlight
no vandalism in 1 month!
5:41
AW10
.D
 :D
5:41
Muchacha
Youre missing an eye.
5:41
AMK152
So, I will make the Wikia spotlight proposal and then make the request
5:41
AW10
 (y)
5:41
Muchacha
Good.
5:41
AMK152
next item...
11. Signatures
5:42
Muchacha
I like my sig.
5:42
JosephHawk
I say most of them are too large
5:43
AMK152
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Muchacha?file=SignatureIssue2.png
look at SpongeyTube's
5:43
Muchacha
Mine was perfect when it said "OVERTIME?!" and "Yeah, overtime, pal!"
5:43
AMK152
covering text
5:43
Muchacha
It had to be shortened more.
5:43
AMK152
and they take over the page
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5:43
AMK152
Issues:
*They are often broken between lines *They don't line up with the person's message/comment *They dominate the page, when the discussion must have more focus *They cover up text in some instances 
*Some signatures do not use "talk/wall" or "contrib" or something similar to indicate a link to that particular page. *Some signatures do not contain a person's username. 
5:44
Muchacha
My signature is good, right?
5:44
AW10
they can be rduced to height of the line
reduced*
5:44
AMK152
Uhhh.... and Overtime are not very descriptive of the actual pages they link to
it can be confusing
5:45
Muchacha
Well, is It's a me Mario! Descriptive?
5:45
AMK152
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Chatbot look at the 2nd one
no it's not
the 2nd under support is Omgitskitty's signature
it does not even have the username as part of the signature
5:46
Muchacha
Just an excerpt of a tiny tim song.
It is a catchy song, though.
5:47
AMK152
"uhhhh..." links to talk page and "Overtime" links to contribs
Uhhhh = talk page? confusing
see what I mean?
5:48
Muchacha
It used to be "Overtime" and "Yeah overtime pal" for talk and contribs
5:48
AMK152
it can be include there, but with perhaps "t" and "c" also to link to the relevant pages
5:48
AW10
we can give users freedom, but formatting requirements
5:48
AMK152
I was thinking this:
5:48
Muchacha
Yeah.
5:48
AMK152
*1. All signatures must contain a person's username or something that lets people know who the user is. *2. All signatures linking to their message wall and/or contributions must indicate what the page is. *3. All signatures must not exceed the height of a line of text. *4. All signatures must not disturb the layout or text of the page in any way. 
5:48
AW10
 (y)
5:48
AMK152
or else admins can modify them (no blocking necessary)
5:48
Muchacha
Can they still have rainbow colors?
5:49
AMK152
yes colors are good
what do you think of my requirements ideas?
5:49
JosephHawk
hold on, they cannot be higher than the text?
5:49
Muchacha
How do you change the height?
5:50
AMK152
they cannot overlap the text above or below
that is the problem with some of them
5:50
JosephHawk
User talk:AMK152
is my sig too big?
5:51
AMK152
your sig is okay
could be smaller, but okay. it pushes text down
that's an image?
yeah that is okay
5:51
Muchacha
I wanna classy font for the link to my page too.
What font was that?
5:52
AW10
@Muchacha height is definded by objects in it
5:52
JosephHawk
no idea Muchacha
it's an image I made
5:52
AW10
if is not specified other wise
5:52
Muchacha
Ok.
5:52
AMK152
how about this:
*1. All signatures must contain a person's username or something that lets people know who the user is. *2. All signatures linking to their message wall and/or contributions must indicate what the page is. *3. All signatures must not exceed the height of a line of text, unless they are an image that follows #4, below. *4. All signatures must not disturb the layout or text of the page in any way.
5:53
JosephHawk
Wait, I got it Muchacha: It's called "BrockScript"
5:53
Muchacha
I think Tanhamman put a code in to make the text above his sig not overlap it.
Ok.
5:53
AMK152
Muchacha, your would be find, right now it's disturbing the layout
5:54
Muchacha
How?
5:54
AMK152
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Chatbot
your comment and signature are separated
5:55
Muchacha
Hm.
5:55
AMK152
it's not part of the bulleted list
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5:55
Muchacha
WB
5:55
AMK152
wb
well, we can hold off on the signature discussion until next meeting, and see if everyone can fix there signatures that need it
5:56
Muchacha
Ok.
I'll tinker around with it.
5:56
AMK152
ok
next item...
5:56
Muchacha
Only 2 items left
5:57
AMK152
12. Image names
5:57
Muchacha
Image names?
5:57
AMK152
Joseph brought this up
some of the images had odd names that are not descriptive of the image
*have
5:57
Muchacha
What's wrong with Fia58? Or Iwatg21?
5:58
AMK152
Joseph are you still here?
they are not descriptive
I don't have too much of a problem with it, but I brought it to the meeting because Joseph brought it up
5:58
AW10
we would need to redirect supress all of them and then apply bot to change artices
5:58
Muchacha
Well, they need to be easy to keep track of.
5:59
AW10
I don't feel like leaving redirects
5:59
JosephHawk
yes!
sorry, am I missing something?
5:59
AMK152
image names, Joseph
5:59
Muchacha
You wouldn't want to have to type a different name for every image in a gallery you're uploading.
5:59
JosephHawk
ah yes
5:59
AMK152
you brought that up
6:00
JosephHawk
I think all images should 1. Be categorized
2. Have proer names
proper*
6:00
Muchacha
Having an abbreviation of the episode name and a number would work for episode galleries.
Right?
6:00
AMK152
either that or full name, or the production #
6:00
Muchacha
Ok.
Because when I snapshot episodes, I usually get like 100 to 150 pics.
6:01
AW10
we can use (hel wanted (1), (2))
6:01
AMK152
fhjsdhfuhuehf.jpg, 238uejd2ijd,jpg, jejdksjakd9292838928.png are not good names
6:01
AW10
001
002
003
6:01
AMK152
yeah
6:01
AW10
actually 0001
6:01
JosephHawk
What about categorizing the images?
6:01
Muchacha
Or hw1.
6:01
AW10
9999
6:01
AMK152
one at a time
6:02
JosephHawk
"images of SpongeBob" images from "Help Wanted" etc...
6:02
AMK152
1a-0001
6:02
Muchacha
I dont think an episode gallery would have a thousand images.
6:02
AMK152
does someone want to draft an image name scheme proposal?
6:02
Muchacha
Me.
I will do it.
6:03
AMK152
ok
make a list for everything, episodes, characters, video games, books, etc.
6:03
Muchacha
Tomorrow or so.
6:03
AMK152
we can later have a project where people can work on renaming images
ok, then put it somewhere here is this wiki spongebobia.wikia.com
and then we can all work on it also
6:04
AW10
new fanon image template: http://oi58.tinypic.com/wkqrgg.jpg
6:04
AMK152
ok... Joseph mentioned categories
6:05
Muchacha
Maybe I'll draft the episode and character part. The other ones, dont need certain names, right?
6:05
AMK152
for now, at least
that looks good, AW10!
Muchacha
Maybe I'll draft the episode and character part. The other ones, dont need certain names, right?
6:05
AMK152
for now, at least
that looks good, AW10!
6:06
JosephHawk
I like it AW10!
6:06
AMK152
I was thinking of making a categories template for images
6:06
Muchacha
Yeah.
6:06
JosephHawk
Oh?
That could work
6:06
Muchacha
Looks like alphabet soup, though.
6:07
AMK152
I will work on one this week
anything else on image names?
ok, next item...
6:07
AW10
no
6:07
AMK152
13. Mermaid Man & Barnacle Boy
6:07
Muchacha
How would character pics work?
6:08
AMK152
come up with something and we can discuss it next meeting
13. Mermaid Man & Barnacle Boy
if you saw the e-mail, you were probably wondering what I meant
6:08
AW10
what about that?
6:08
JosephHawk
yep, I am curious
6:09
AMK152
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Mermaid_Man_and_Barnacle_Boy
look at the title card
6:09
Muchacha
I think its supposed to be Mermaidman and Barnacleboy, too.
The captions say that.
6:09
AW10
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Mermaid_Man_and_Barnacle_Boy_and_Pickles_(credits)
Look at the credits
6:09
Muchacha
The credits say that.
6:10
AMK152
this is been an ignored issue since the days of Wikipedia.
6:10
AW10
no they say Mermiad Man and Barnacle Boy
6:10
AMK152
"Mermaid Man" vs. "Mermaidman" and "Barnacle Boy" vs. "Barnacleboy"
6:10
AW10
I think we should trust credits
6:10
AMK152
captains have spaces?
6:11
Muchacha
Maybe we could compromise by saying "Mermaid Man" for the character and "Mermaidman and Barnacleboy" for the episode name.
Or "MermaidMan."
6:11
AMK152
it has to be one or the other
6:11
Muchacha
How about "MermaidMan"?
6:12
AMK152
every title card I - V is without spaces
until http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Mermaid_Man_and_Barnacle_Boy_VI
then no spaces: http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Mermaid_Man_vs._SpongeBob
6:12
Muchacha
Maybe it's just the way VI's title card is stylized.
6:13
AMK152
perhaps
6:13
Muchacha
Maybe that caused the break in the name.
6:13
AW10
but credits always had spaces and they have now
6:13
AMK152
interesting
it would be interesting to get an offical thing from the producers
6:14
Muchacha
We could contact them.
6:14
AMK152
I can check the copyright catalog
6:14
AW10
search nick website for MM & BB episodes
6:14
Muchacha
Or Nickelodeon?
6:14
AW10
http://spongebob.nick.com/videos/clip/mermaid-man-barnacle-boy-i-full.html
6:14
AMK152
http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=2&ti=1,2&Search_Arg=mermaidman&Search_Code=FT*&CNT=25&PID=e3RsUp7L-jSs_2Rm4ENKfNNMDyyiz&SEQ=20140525181428&SID=1
Mermaidman & Barnacleboy
6:15
Muchacha
Mermaidman and barnacleboy
6:15
AMK152
http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/doctitles.cgi?V3547D956
interesting, perhaps I will try to find a way to contact them about it
6:16
AW10
We can consider Superman and Batman
6:16
Muchacha
No spaces
Try Facebook.
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6:16
AMK152
I thought I would see what everyone thought on this, especially since we have a template at the top of each of those pages
6:17
AW10
how about we make a community discusison and count the score of each possible combination
6:17
Muchacha
It is a debatable name.
6:17
AMK152
yeah
6:17
Muchacha
It will have to be confirmed now.
6:17
AMK152
we will leave it as is for now until we get confirmation
6:17
AW10
wait a sec
6:17
AMK152
yeah?
6:18
AW10
I have remebred that when I was making credits I accomodated everythinfg to newer one
so of old had mermaidman and the newer release have mermiad man I will listen the new
since the new is current state of publisher's mind
6:19
Muchacha
Gotcha
6:19
AW10
and the old is older state of publisher mind
if*
6:20
Muchacha
mermaid*
6:20
AW10
?
6:20
Muchacha
>mermiad
6:20
AW10
I type fast
6:20
AMK152
yeah
6:20
AW10
so, what are everony opinion on my last suggesstion
6:21
AMK152
yeah
I would still like to try and contact them if I am able to about it
6:21
Muchacha
Get official names from the producers.
6:21
AMK152
other wise, we just leave as is for now
6:21
Muchacha
@AMK: Try facebook.
We done?
6:21
AW10
I have explained hwo to learn what producers wanted
6:21
AMK152
yeah
unless they just don't know or it doesn't matter to them
6:22
Muchacha
All right, bye.
6:22
AMK152
ok, next item...
6:22
AW10
but offical response is higher priority
6:22
AMK152
yeah
6:22
Muchacha
Next item?
6:22
AMK152
yes
6:22
AW10
ok
6:22
AMK152
14. SpongeBob/Navy-themed lingo for customization
6:22
Muchacha
Thought there was 13.
6:22
AMK152
Joseph brought up this one too
6:22
Muchacha
Oh.
6:22
AW10
what is that?
6:23
AMK152
you can customize that chat comings and goings
6:23
Muchacha
Yeah.
6:23
AMK152
instead of "joined" and "left" the conversations
6:23
Muchacha
Whats wrong with the lingo?
6:23
AMK152
and "kicked"
those are Wikia default
6:23
Muchacha
And away
And banned
6:23
AMK152
Joseph changed it to "hired" and "fired," but I think we should go for Navy lingo instead of just Krusty Krab
6:24
Muchacha
Ok.
6:24
AMK152
"fired" for "banned" was also used
6:24
AW10
I don't we shoudl change default, since they can be confusing
6:24
Muchacha
So instead of kicked, something like booted?
6:24
AMK152
"banned" in Navy lingo could mean "thrown overboard"
or "walking the plank"
6:24
Muchacha
Yeah.
Walking the plank.
6:25
AMK152
many of the chatters liked the change
6:25
Muchacha
Me too.
Away can still be walking Gary, right?
That was nice.
6:25
AMK152
unless something better can be figured out
6:26
Muchacha
I liked it.
6:26
AW10
we would need to have lingo contest
6:26
AMK152
Joseph was going to come up with a list, and of course, it will be put up for proposal
we can make a discussion on the message board
forum
6:26
Muchacha
I'm not doing the image name discussion.
Seems too big.
6:26
AMK152
ok
6:27
AW10
here is what can be changed: spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Chat?uselang=qqx
I can do that, but nothing till tje next weekend
6:27
AMK152
wow I was looking for something like that
I could not find a key lol
6:28
Muchacha
So...
6:28
AMK152
yeah
next item...
15. Modify discussion policies (to speed up non-controversial proposals)
the characters proposal that ends in 31 minutes has had no opposition and has last 7 days
non-controversial discussions should be sped up
6:29
Muchacha
Like three days?
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6:30
AMK152
I was thinking this: "Any discussion that has 10 supports and no opposition within 3 days can close early and be passed"
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6:30
Muchacha
Ok.
6:30
AMK152
is 10 too much?
6:30
Muchacha
Maybe 5 supports.
Or 7.
6:30
AMK152
5 is too little
6:30
AW10
okay, but it mustn't be promoted outside the community ocorner
6:30
AMK152
7 sounds good
6:31
AW10
it needs to be permitted
for a first 3 days
non-permitted*
6:31
Muchacha
Ok
6:31
AMK152
what about forums and chat?
6:32
AW10
so, score of 10 inthree days without promoting
score of 7
for early conlcusion
6:32
Muchacha
Ok.
6:33
AW10
what "what about forums and chat"?
aha
6:33
AMK152
notifying people on the forum and chat room about the proposal
to get the word out
6:33
AW10
no, for a first three day, only community corner
othrewise you will not get clear situation
6:33
AMK152
I see what you mean
6:34
AW10
people usually contribute immidiately when they receive message
6:34
Muchacha
Yes
6:34
AMK152
"Any discussion that has 7 supports (including at least 3 admins) and no opposition within 3 days can close early and be passed" "If the discussion was promoted outside of the community corner, the discussion must have 10 supports and no opposition within 3 days"
6:35
AW10
 (y)
but add promoted during thre days period
6:36
AMK152
*In the case of non-controversial discussions, a proposal may end early, if at least 3 administrators support it and: :*If the discussion has 7 supports and no opposition within 3 days can close early and be passed. :*If the discussion was promoted outside of the community corner, the discussion must have 10 supports and no opposition within 3 days.
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6:36
AMK152
oh
that's already implied
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6:37
Muchacha
I like it.
6:37
AW10
good then
6:38
AMK152
ok
I am rewording it a bit
*In the case of non-controversial discussions, a proposal may end after 3 days of discussion if: :*At least 3 administrators support the proposal. :*The discussion has 7 supports and no opposition. :*The discussion has 10 supports and no opposition if the discussion was promoted outside of the community corner.
there
6:39
AW10
good
6:39
AMK152
next item...
and by next, I mean last...
16. Ideas for ESB, parts II and III
6:39
AW10
you have already sum it up
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6:40
AW10
summed*
offtopic: is that gramitically correct -- summed
6:40
AMK152
yes it is
Part 1 of the ideas thread was already discussed, but not the others
#12 Episode reviews and analysis (by Muchacha)
I think we have too many things going on before considering adding episode reviews
people can use their blogs for now
but maybe in the future we can have a master review index or something
6:42
AW10
we are only left, let's make it first thing for the next meeting
but, I agree
6:42
AMK152
there are only a few, unless you need to leave
#13 Replace </references> with {{Reflist}} - I will just used my bot for this, no discussion necessary
#14 Auto Refresh Wiki Activity - I need to look more into this one
6:43
AW10
okay, give them all
6:43
AMK152
#15. Eliminate moral/legal issues listed in articles. - postpone to next meeting
or put up a forum discussion
6:43
AW10
14 - I have noticed on some forums that it is possible
15 - explain
6:44
AMK152
120d was complaining about people putting legal issues in trivia sections
like explaining if something was really legal or illegal
6:45
AW10
example
6:46
AMK152
"I think that there should be a rule that you can't insert legal or moral issues in articles. It is a cartoon, not every thing has to be moral or legal." - 120d
"No one is going to get arrested for the fact that a person deleted a fact about Mr. Krabs doing something illegal or immoral (which is the US standards)" - 120d
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6:47
AMK152
Muchacha, do you know what example 120d had for moral/legal issue that you put in an article?
6:47
AW10
it kinda make sense to get taht removed, since US is not the whole world, and what is legal in US may not be legal in the rest of the world
or illegal
see what I mean?
6:48
AMK152
yeah
it's more like a thing of "it's just a cartoon, how is this relevant?"
I think this should get it's own point in the next meeting
6:49
AW10
okay
is there a 16
6:49
AMK152
#16 Changing of proposal times (RFA 1 week, discussions 10 days, background contests 1 month)
120d suggested that, it's not much of a change and not really needed
#17 Change of yellow in theme
people keep making design suggestions without an alternative
6:50
AW10
I think we need to add 16 to policies
as min-time
6:50
AMK152
it already exists for RFA and discussions (but 7 days)
6:50
AW10
17 is mine?
6:51
AMK152
17 was someone referring to the sides, which is something no one else agrees with changing
"I'm kinda getting bored of seeing yellow." - Lemony
"Well, that's your problem. I'm not trying to be mean, but you shouldn't complain about things that you cannot change and if it is something that you can change figure out the best way to fix it instead of complaining." - 120d, in response to Lemony
6:51
AW10
and 120d was complaining about his sentence
6:52
AMK152
#18 Cleanup team to eliminate stubs
6:52
AW10
lemonny must have been looking at the wrong cartoon
6:52
AMK152
is more of a community effort, plus the character proposal will help eliminate some stubs
yeah
#19 Cross over characters articles or one major article
I say one major article
#20 Defining cultural references - this we can get in more depth in the next meeting
6:53
AW10
we apply same rules as for the regualr characters - 19
6:53
AMK152
ok
6:53
AW10
18 - okay to your reponse
6:53
AMK152
21 Changing infobox colors - this one is yours
I say just make the proposal
6:53
AW10
20 - okay
6:54
AMK152
had 120d not disagree, I would just say change it anyway
6:54
AW10
okay, what about 120s custimized imfobox?
infobox*
6:54
AMK152
for bottoms of articles?
6:54
AW10
yes
6:55
AMK152
they should be uniform
that can be part of the proposal
6:55
AW10
yes
liek some not to proposal
that all will be the same
6:55
AMK152
yeah, uniform colors
#22 Using SBM ratings as part of reception. - this will need to be added to next meeting's agenda
6:56
AW10
by the way, that design of ingobox and the color scheme wasn't bringt by me
the original one
6:56
AMK152
#23 Remove text-align:justify - I would say just go for it and if anyone complains, we will deal with if rom there
yeah I know
6:56
AW10
23 - okay
6:56
AMK152
I was referring to the use of it here and customizing it
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6:57
AMK152
and that's it
any final thoughts before summarizing?
6:58
AW10
have you recorded all conlusions to those suggestions
6:58
AMK152
yeah
6:58
AW10
and specified the one that will be postoponed
6:58
AMK152
yeah, I will include it on the Community Portal and then I will start Ideas Part 4
so, onto the summary:
6:59
AW10
yes
6:59
AMK152
1. Fanon wiki background & logo has been changed 2. Fanon wiki administration 3. Ideas listed for spongebobia.wikia.com 4. Master chat room page to be created and discussed at next meeting 5. Main page redesign will be implemented when passed 
6. User/Article of the month proposals to be started 7. Seconds galleries are ready, just need some modifications before uploading 8. Character article section arrangement proposal to be created 9. We need to collect ideas for character infobox for next meeting 10. Modified admin policies to be put up for proposal 
11. Continue to monitor 120d situation 12. AMK152 will make spotlight proposal to request 13. Holding off on signatures discussion until next meeting 14. We need to draft an image naming scheme 15. AMK152 will create a category template for images
7:00
AW10
not that I will do image naming scheme and seconds galleries by the next meeting
7:00
AMK152
ok
16. Further investigation into official names for MM&BB 17. Create discussion to come up with lingo for chat (http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Chat?uselang=qqx) 18. Create proposal to add to discussion policies (for non-controversial discussions) 19. Ideas Parts II and III were briefly discussed; some need more in-depth discussion.
and that's it
I will summerize #19 on the Community Portal
AMK152
ok
16. Further investigation into official names for MM&BB 17. Create discussion to come up with lingo for chat (http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Chat?uselang=qqx) 18. Create proposal to add to discussion policies (for non-controversial discussions) 19. Ideas Parts II and III were briefly discussed; some need more in-depth discussion.
and that's it
I will summerize #19 on the Community Portal
ok, now to close the character proposal...
7:02
AW10
what are: category template for images
7:02
AMK152
a template that will generate categories for images
7:02
AW10
by using naming scheme or on some other way
7:03
AMK152
not sure
I am going to create it so that it is ready for discussion next meeting
7:03
AW10
"ok, now to close the character proposal..."
7:04
AMK152
yeah...
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7:04
AW10
in the meantime, do we need mobile version of main page proposal?
7:05
AMK152
we don't need it yet
or just whenever it's ready
7:06
AW10
you have kicked your bot?
7:07
AMK152
I could not get into chat with my bot
so I had to switch to oasis
and I think I couldn't get in because my bot was already in
we also have a new proposal: http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Chatbot
7:08
AW10
okay, make sure that user:AW10 community corner is upodted as well as community portal and discussions page
updated*
7:09
AMK152
ok
7:11
AW10
I have supported the chat bot, but how that will work?
7:12
AMK152
they will use a chatbot to create chat logs
they have a script for the bot
7:13
AW10
so, every word spoken will be recorded
7:13
AMK152
in main chat only
not private messages
7:13
AW10
and everyone will have acces to it
7:13
AMK152
yes
7:13
AW10
it still kind vialoted the privacy
violates*
kinda*
7:14
AMK152
some people have abused chat/broke rules when admins are not in chat
that's why I put it up for discussion
7:16
AW10
jsutofy aligment is gone
justify*
7:18
AMK152
ok
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7:19
AW10
by the way, I have learned a lot about CSS and HTML on college this year
7:19
AMK152Bot
oh this works now
cool
7:20
AW10
I need to prepeare for the tommorow exam of CSS, HTML theory