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Okay! So, back in the beta, the advice channel was global, and a lot of trolls were being... trolls. So Carbine said that they wouldn't make any more global channels, in order to avoid that. However, that was mostly during open beta, in which all the F2P crowd came in and poisoned the game. Shortly after the game's official launch, the players created global LFG channels to help find groups and whatnot without standing in Thayd spamming all day. However, there are a few issues with having a player-created channel for such a vital part of an MMORPG (group content).
 
First is that, if you don't know about it, you may never even use it -- and may even consider the game "dead," or something along those lines. Generally people are pretty helpful about pointing it out to people, and helping them join it, but if you're not in Thayd, people usually won't even hint at it.
 
Second, and the one that's more important, imo, is that players get control of the channel. If the owner of the channel gets it into their head to mute or remove someone for no particular reason, then the player that was removed from chat will have an infinitely harder time finding groups for anything. Most of the chatter in-game, and 99% of people doing group content, end up in LFG. Without the channel, you're basically not doing group content beyond the queue system -- which can get really boring, really fast, and you're playing a game that's mute, and you're alone. Not really much fun for the person who's victim to the channel owner's power trips.
 
So, basically, I'm just asking for a global LFG channel where players don't get to decide who does and doesn't get to talk. You could have it be "LFG" and use "/l" to talk (that's an L). Recently, an addon on Entity was made to automatically kick me from LFG whenever my character is detected in the channel, making it so that I can't even read LFG chat. Without it, I've sat in Thayd twiddling my thumbs sitting in dungeon queues for the last two weeks.
 
 We've had a global channel since the game launched, and it's been a non-issue the whole time. So why not just make an LFG channel?
			
				
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I agree. The current player-created LFG channels have become an integral part of this game, and so they should be a first-class feature of the game. New players posting in forums are always pointed towards the LFG channel for their server. 
 
It also doesn't help that the names vary slightly between servers and factions, so it may be hard for new players to find the correct information for their server. 
 
The group-finder is great, but it doesn't allow non-instanced group forming, eg world boss raids or world event raids. 
 
It also doesn't seem fair that the player who gets to moderate these channels is free to abuse their moderation privileges.
 
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First is that, if you don't know about it, you may never even use it -- and may even consider the game "dead," or something along those lines. Generally people are pretty helpful about pointing it out to people, and helping them join it, but if you're not in Thayd, people usually won't even hint at it.
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 :blink:  Wait, what? I wasn't aware it was even possible to kick someone out of a chat channel or mute them for everyone else. Circles certainly have that ability, but channels aren't circles.
Is this new functionality, or has it been there from the start? 
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			Just a reminder, personal jabs aren't the way to have a discussion. It's fine not to like something someone has to say, but insults and taking shots at them are not.	
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			The LFG channel has been much more on topic, less spammy, and way less toxic.   I vote no on a global LFG channel.  The current one finally works great.	
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Yeah the channel owners have decided they don't like Sciela and he literally gets kicked the moment he talks. Something like "lfg" and that's it, donezo. Pretty *cupcake*ed up actually.
 
I support a real global channel.	
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			I think it would be for the best. It's a huge resource in-game and players shouldn't have the power to use it to screw over someone because of a petty dispute. 	
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I've been told not to say this by a few folks in PMs, but regardless of what OP has done it's pretty bad that someone has made a mod to auto-kick them.  Mods shouldn't be allowed to interfere with the gameplay of people other than the mod user.  Hope this is resolved.  If whoever made that mod decides they don't like other folks, what's stopping them from adding those character names to the auto-ban list?
 
Not cool, not okay.	
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It's been there since launch, but no one knew how to use the commands. Now, recently a new person got ownership of the LFG channel on Entity Exiles, and since we all know how much people love me, he decided to "ban" me by auto-kicking me. Since it's technically a player-created channel, there is an owner and they can designate moderators (who also have the same addon >.>).
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			i vote for a real global channel, most of the new players feel the world dead because they dont know about LFG, and as has been said less than 5% of the playerbase come to the forums.making the advice channel global will encourage people to stay in wildstar and found groups when they have their trial, and as the devs said people who do content are more biased to buy the game and keep playing than the ones who dont	
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			The fact that people are now using the LFG channel in general rather than ever queuing for things does not help the whole "Feels dead" issue either.	
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No "community" is toxic as a whole, members of a community can be toxic. 
I don't have an opinion on the matter without knowing what a person can do to paint such a giant bullseye on their back. 
 
Are you advocating a "no rules" global channel vs an "unwritten rules" one?	
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No "community" is toxic as a whole, members of a community can be toxic. 
I don't have an opinion on the matter without knowing what a person can do to paint such a giant bullseye on their back. 
 
Are you advocating a "no rules" global channel vs an "unwritten rules" one?
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			I think there just needs to be a global channel in general not just for LFG. Just a big channel that helps players feel like there are active people in the game. If they don't want to see it then they can disable it themselves. But I am all for a channel like this.. general or lfg. It needs to happen!	
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			I always thought the problem Carbine had with the global channel is that they made it cross faction and people were being horrible to each other because of that. I don't think that same problem would happen with a single faction channel, at least not any worse than it already does on the player run channel.	
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As for the topic at hand, I'm on the fence.  On one side, it allows one player to troll others, but on the other the player this is happening to is one that trolls the whole playerbase.
 
Horse apples.
 
There were no insults or personal jabs in this, I pointed out only what he himself has said in numerous of his own posts.
			
				
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The channel is advertised as being the place to find groups and whatnot. Banning a player from it is limiting his play options. The ignore function exists for a reason, use it.
 
If a player is so toxic, report him. Let Carbine decide the appropriate measures.
 
We need a global faction channel. Right now the lfg channel is very important and letting players dictate who can be a part of it is not good.	
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+1 we should have a global in the games current state.
 
But if the game does go through a business model change, we shouldn't.	
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As for the topic at hand, I'm on the fence.  On one side, it allows one player to troll others, but on the other the player this is happening to is one that trolls the whole playerbase.
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LFG channel cannot be run by players even if we set aside the issue that such a channel simply should be part of every player's default chat channel line-up..
Do you realize that you are seriously trying to justify banning someone from what is being used as a gamewide resource for saying things like "this game is easy"? For advocating 6-8 skill builds?
 
Do you think someone in the /trade channel should be banned from it for saying things that are neither WTS or WTB requests?
Or that nobody in the /pvp channel should be allowed to say things that do not directly relate to PvP?
Those channels are the trade and pvp equivalents of what the LFG channel is supposed to be. A faction-wide way for people who want to run group content together to do so. A community resource that all new players are pointed to.
 
No player should have the ability to shut someone out of a resource like that at all, much less because their opinions aren't popular. 
 
If they're spamming the channel or harassing people, that's against ToS. Report them.
If they're saying things you don't agree with, learn to exist in a world of dissenting opinions.
 
Stuff like this is exactly why this game's community has the reputation that it does, even though most of us don't approve of that kind of "conform or be shunned" dynamic at all.
			
				
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			An opt-out global channel pls with multi-q ability.	
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Tahlie aside, can we get a global channel? Like, for reals?
 
That would be awesome. And include newbies in it. I've been in Grimvault and seen people asking around and when I tell them about the player run channel it's the first time they've heard about it in 40+ levels.	
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A global channel should exist, but definitely in a form that you can toggle off.
 
As for this particular channel, it is not public and you don't have an unalienable right to it. There has been a grand total of ONE person banned from it. This used to be a thing in MMOs before the days of cross server queues, LFG tools, and the like. You could build a terrible enough reputation that the community itself blackballed you without the need to bring in the higher ups. 
			
				
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A global channel should exist, but definitely in a form that you can toggle off.
 
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LFG channel cannot be run by players even if we set aside the issue that such a channel simply should be part of every player's default chat channel line-up..
Do you realize that you are seriously trying to justify banning someone from what is being used as a gamewide resource for saying things like "this game is easy"? For advocating 6-8 skill builds?
 
 
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A global channel should exist, but definitely in a form that you can toggle off.
 
As for this particular channel, it is not public and you don't have an unalienable right to it. There has been a grand total of ONE person banned from it. This used to be a thing in MMOs before the days of cross server queues, LFG tools, and the like. You could build a terrible enough reputation that the community itself blackballed you without the need to bring in the higher ups. The Exile community on Entity has, by and large, decided they're done with this person and there's more to it then just unpopular opinions on the game/gameplay. I feel like if enough people expressed outrage over his being banned from the channel, it would probably be lifted. Unfortunately for him that's not the case, and the people who are upset by the idea of his being banned are in the vast minority.
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sorry but you have seriously underestimated the amount of trolling this person is responsible for.
 
 
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i have a problem with this part, "when one guy bans me from a channel on no other basis than he just doesn't like me..." Its alot more than just that. Also to be honest since that mod has been in use autokicking certain people, the lfg channel has been alot less ridiculous.
 
Even though I'm enjoying the current state of the lfg channel now. I do agree whole heartedly there needs to be a global channel that isnt modded by players.
 
and while were on the topic of chat channels can we get rid of instance channel and just make it group?	
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sorry but you have seriously underestimated the amount of trolling this person is responsible for.
 
I agree there should be a default non player controlled global channel
 
however, player made channels should be able to be moderated by the players. People who come to these forums complaining about the trolls or what someone said or did are often told to just report and ignore, to make their own group, to get over it and find the nice people. In other words the community is told to police itself. Then when the community does just that people want to complain about it and claim stuff like this is responsible for the communities bad reputation and honestly it really doesn't have a bad reputation. the game does, the community not so much.
 
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Oh, I agree that player made channels should be moderated by players. They should have the right to decide who is and isn't in their channels. And if you don't like Carbine-run channel X, then make your own version of it and invite your pals into it.
 
Where the problem comes in is that instead of the developers providing a LFG channel, they instead left that important community-wide resource to players to moderate, while simultaneously pointing everyone who shows up in this game to the player-run channel. And--predictably--this is what they got. The in-game version of the reddit board, only tied to the ability to find groups to run content with.
 
This is not the community policing itself. Nobody voted this person who is the "owner" of the channel into power. Nobody rated them on their merits. They are not answerable to anybody. That's a really special snowflake who gets to impose their will on the rest of us.
 
I want to point out to you a really interesting thing from a post near the start of this thread. At the time I didn't recognize what it meant, but the more this thread has gone on, the more obvious it has become what it means:
 
That's Vince getting quietly warned not to openly disagree with those very same special snowflakes. He was brave enough to state his opinion anyway, and good for him for doing so instead of getting shushed into submission. I hope he doesn't end up regretting it.
 
Someone remind me again how much worse the community would get if the game went F2P? 
 
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That's Vince getting quietly warned not to openly disagree with those very same special snowflakes. He was brave enough to state his opinion anyway, and good for him for doing so instead of getting shushed into submission. I hope he doesn't end up regretting it.
 
Someone remind me again how much worse the community would get if the game went F2P? 
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if vince was really made to regret it, all he would have to do is not update vincebuilds or raidframes and everyone would be screwed.
 
Carbine for having a game that requires you to change LAS/builds so often you really should have a built in feature that lets you switch  builds on the fly. I know the perfect person to talk to about implementing such a thing!!	
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People are messaging you telling you not to stand up for Tahlie? Man... Nobody is messaging me. Probably bc they don't care what I say haha.
 
Can we just get a Carbine channel already to get rid of arguments like this? LFG is awesome because it is so integral to the game experience. If it were just a private channel for random folks to chit chat on it wouldn't be a problem, but the current state of the game is such that we need a tool like this to connect us with other people who want to do content.	
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The way I see it, maybe just maybe the LFG channel is a community resource for as long as you don't have to /ignore people to make it usable.
 
Before I take offense "on principle" maybe those that want to use it for trolling, attacking new players and making it an eye-sore to navigate can /chjoin DirgeChat and be happy. ;)
I'd also like to remind that we're not talking about the hypothetical Carbine global channel, we're talking about a player created one.
You have to take the good with the bad.
 
Don't like it? Make your own, advertise it, moderate it "hands off" and be happy.	
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			Bravo, Vince. It's nice to have someone who is actually in the industry chime in on this. 	
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then who does vincebuilds if its not vince?!?!?! there can be only 1 vince per universe!
 
Also besides the lovely drama. I know for myself personally i dont put *person* on ignore because when misinformation is passed on to a new/unsuspecting person. I want to be able to inform that new/unsuspecting person with either better info or a source where they can learn about said info for themselves.
 
We are a small community and we want to see our new members improve and try to mitigate the frustation of the learning curse wildstar presents. Giving them misinformation only increases the newer players frustrations possibly to the extent of making them want to quit the game.	
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The way I see it, maybe just maybe the LFG channel is a community resource for as long as you don't have to /ignore people to make it usable.
 
Before I take offense "on principle" maybe those that want to use it for trolling, attacking new players and making it an eye-sore to navigate can /chjoin DirgeChat and be happy. ;)
I'd also like to remind that we're not talking about the hypothetical Carbine global channel, we're talking about a player created one.
You have to take the good with the bad.
 
Don't like it? Make your own, advertise it, moderate it "hands off" and be happy.
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To be fair, I actually am consistently advocating for a Carbine run global channel. But then again we've established that people only care about what Vince says.... what magical power do you have, Vince??
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To be fair, I actually am consistently advocating for a Carbine run global channel. But then again we've established that people only care about what Vince says.... what magical power do you have, Vince??
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The way I see it, maybe just maybe the LFG channel is a community resource for as long as you don't have to /ignore people to make it usable.
 
Before I take offense "on principle" maybe those that want to use it for trolling, attacking new players and making it an eye-sore to navigate can /chjoin DirgeChat and be happy. ;)
I'd also like to remind that we're not talking about the hypothetical Carbine global channel, we're talking about a player created one.
You have to take the good with the bad.
 
Don't like it? Make your own, advertise it, moderate it "hands off" and be happy.
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 ummmm we think he does vince builds and raid frames thats the magical power he has lol
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			Before this topic becomes dead like some people want it to get, I also wanted to point out that making a Global LFG Channel is better done sooner than later if this F2P rumor is true. Because if it is true, the flood of players into the channel (and make no mistake, there will be a flood) may cause an overwhelming amount of responsibility on the players that mod it to take care of the influx of trolls and gold-sellers. A responsibility they do not deserve in my opinion regardless of who they are, because taking care of that particular problem is Carbine's job. 	
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So, who I am aside... LFG is a vital part of this game. Without it, I've been reduced to playing, basically, a single-player game. I can't find raid groups without it, I can't find dungeon groups without it, I can't find anything without it. When one player has the ability to take away any and all group content from someone just because they don't agree with them, that's just not right. People will say that only one person ever was banned from LFG chat, but that's only because I was the first one. You and I both know that I'm not the last -- now that they know they can "ban" people, they will continue to remove people from chat to "better the community" and all that crap. Just because one group of people doesn't like someone doesn't mean that the entire community agrees. No matter what you think of me, it is absolutely wrong that one person can just about take the game away from someone.
 
Whether you like me or not, you can't deny that LFG is what makes the game feel like an MMO. When one player (or one group of people) has control over who gets to use it, trouble is bound to happen.
 
... and yes, Rosa, I know people want this thread to die or be locked or something. :P
			
				
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... and yes, Rosa, I know people want this thread to die or be locked or something. :P
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Regardless of whether or not this particular thread is locked, this topic of discussion will assuredly be back repeatedly until the core problem is addressed. Even without this going on, there have been a number of people who have noted that new players can't be expected to just know to go to this channel, as it's not part of the default channel set.
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I still think there should be a global channel.
 
Your "moderation" from the current iteration shouldn't have to be explained or addressed.	
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Regardless of whether or not this particular thread is locked, this topic of discussion will assuredly be back repeatedly until the core problem is addressed. Even without this going on, there have been a number of people who have noted that new players can't be expected to just know to go to this channel, as it's not part of the default channel set.
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			A better solution to this whole nonsense, than having a global LFG channel, would be to have BOTH a global LFG channel and a global General chat channel. That way players who want to discuss non-LFG related things have somewhere to chat without causing disagreements with those who would prefer LFG chat to be solely for LFG-related messages.	
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Yeah, that's also a very important part of it. I've noticed people who don't know about the channel commenting about how quiet chat is (since most chat takes place in the LFG channel or guild chat), and it leads them to believe the game is somewhat dead - sometimes making them go so far as to quit.
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I honestly think these channels are most hostile towards the health of the game as a whole because of this.
 
While I was waiting to transfer over a character from the PvP server, I was consistently having to direct people over to the PvE server while simultaneously explaining the existence of these channels. Almost every person would comment on how irritating it was that they existed and that without me explaining about them they wouldn't have known.
 
The community on the whole has done more harm than good with them in my opinion.
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Are you saying that they are doing harm because people are using them? Because in that case the alternative is nothing.
 
People aren't going to start talking to each other some other way without a global channel, they just won't talk and group up. The reason why so many folks are using the channel is because it solves a problem.
 
(If this isn't what you're getting at then I apologize, still a valid point to make though.)
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I think you're putting the cart before the horse. People aren't queueing for low level dungeons, not because they are using the LFG tool but because they aren't low level. The LFG tool is a higher level tool mostly, but I say it helps make the game alive by reminding you that there are still folks out there jawjacking with each other. That's a big psychological boost while you're playing. Fact of the matter is if you want people close to your level for something you can use zone chat, and people do.
 
It wouldn't make a positive difference to people in the leveling zones if there was no LFG tool because the people using the tool would just all be in Thayd talking to each other on zone chat instead, not out in the leveling zones. Having a global channel at least gives people in the leveling zones a feeling like they aren't the last man on earth and gives them a resource to ask questions where they will actually be answered.
 
I do agree that a lfg board like in GW2 or WoW would be great.	
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It's been there since launch, but no one knew how to use the commands. Now, recently a new person got ownership of the LFG channel on Entity Exiles, and since we all know how much people love me, he decided to "ban" me by auto-kicking me. Since it's technically a player-created channel, there is an owner and they can designate moderators (who also have the same addon >.>).
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I don't know really what should or shouldn't happen here. I will say that I know people who stopped using the LFG channel because of OP's involvement in it (which is more than just what OP said, but also the responses to him and conversations that followed). Mostly, the channel has become an annoyance to be in (even with OP not in it) and "looking for group" is a small part of what happens there.
 
So implementing a Carbine chat channel will just lead to the same situation, with a chat that is full of garbage people don't want to read.
 
I personally didn't have a huge issue with OP in chat; I mostly just ignore what he says.	
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I don't know really what should or shouldn't happen here. I will say that I know people who stopped using the LFG channel because of OP's involvement in it (which is more than just what OP said, but also the responses to him and conversations that followed). Mostly, the channel has become an annoyance to be in (even with OP not in it) and "looking for group" is a small part of what happens there.
 
So implementing a Carbine chat channel will just lead to the same situation, with a chat that is full of garbage people don't want to read.
 
I personally didn't have a huge issue with OP in chat; I mostly just ignore what he says.
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What all actually happens? You make it sound very dramatic. On the EU dommy side, ours has a bit of banter and some WB/LFG/Event shouts.
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What all actually happens? You make it sound very dramatic. On the EU dommy side, ours has a bit of banter and some WB/LFG/Event shouts.
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I think a carbine endorsed lfg is appropriate especially if the player base shows a large growth. Personally ive never had any issues with the individual thats involved. But If you make a bad name for yourself it kinda sticks with you. The community is rather small atm so its easy to get reputations like this.. But if this game ever does find itself bathed in a f2p player base the player in question will be the least of our chat worries.
 
If people have a problem with an individual just use the ignore button. Im not sure if the ignore extends to account but there should be at least an option for it. If this is not the case than it should be.
 
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I don't know really what should or shouldn't happen here. I will say that I know people who stopped using the LFG channel because of OP's involvement in it (which is more than just what OP said, but also the responses to him and conversations that followed). Mostly, the channel has become an annoyance to be in (even with OP not in it) and "looking for group" is a small part of what happens there.
 
So implementing a Carbine chat channel will just lead to the same situation, with a chat that is full of garbage people don't want to read.
 
I personally didn't have a huge issue with OP in chat; I mostly just ignore what he says.
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I have to ponder the feasibility of implementing something like Warframe's DE_Kickbot.  Basically, it's an ever present auto-mod (with a human pilot in case of special circumstances) that kicks/mutes people based on certain post criteria:
 
If you post racial slurs/excess profanity, you get kicked.  One swear word may get you a warning, but tossing out the c-word over and over gets you kicked.
If enough people report you, you get kicked.
Making posts like "LFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG" gets you kicked.
Making posts like "Looking to buy X item <<!!@@#$$$>>###<<!>>>!!<<!!>>" gets you kicked
Posting about selling something in the group finder channel gets you kicked.
Posting about hosting a raid in the trade channel gets you kicked.
 
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I think you're putting the cart before the horse. People aren't queueing for low level dungeons, not because they are using the LFG tool but because they aren't low level. The LFG tool is a higher level tool mostly, but I say it helps make the game alive by reminding you that there are still folks out there jawjacking with each other. That's a big psychological boost while you're playing. Fact of the matter is if you want people close to your level for something you can use zone chat, and people do.
 
It wouldn't make a positive difference to people in the leveling zones if there was no LFG tool because the people using the tool would just all be in Thayd talking to each other on zone chat instead, not out in the leveling zones. Having a global channel at least gives people in the leveling zones a feeling like they aren't the last man on earth and gives them a resource to ask questions where they will actually be answered.
 
I do agree that a lfg board like in GW2 or WoW would be great.
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			Forming a party in chat generally allows you more control over who you are queueing with and what you are doing. I generally do both (if I'm not forming a party in guild, which is where I go first).	
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Forming a party in chat generally allows you more control over who you are queueing with and what you are doing. I generally do both (if I'm not forming a party in guild, which is where I go first).
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There's just a LOT of people talking in prime time about all kinds of topics, game related or not. Earlier this year it wasn't so bad, but now there's just a lot of people talking all the time, and not much about looking for group. As the population has grown (on the exile side at least) and more people have found the channel, it's become more diverse in what it was about. I'm not going to lie, though, a lot of discussion (at least in the past) has been about OP. There are quite a few people who enjoy arguing with him, complaining about him, trolling him, or whatever.
 
But honestly, if this game increases in population (and it has to, one way or another, right?), a single channel everyone is in on a megaserver is going to end up being kind of painful.
 
A global LFG channel that actually stuck to LFG conversations would be pretty nice, though.
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As an example of what I am referring to: (Pay attention to the chat as well)
 
 
 
 
 	
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Honestly at this point it's a self-licking ice cream cone, Zoralink. People know the group finder won't pop, so they don't use the group finder, and because they don't use the group finder it doesn't pop.
 
I actually find groups about 50/50 group finder/lfg, but that's probably because I'm queued as a healer. I can run open world content while waiting for the queue to pop and paying attention to the chat frame.
 
Ideal? Absolutely not. We need mo' people in this game.	
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A better solution to this whole nonsense, than having a global LFG channel, would be to have BOTH a global LFG channel and a global General chat channel. That way players who want to discuss non-LFG related things have somewhere to chat without causing disagreements with those who would prefer LFG chat to be solely for LFG-related messages.
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Honestly at this point it's a self-licking ice cream cone, Zoralink. People know the group finder won't pop, so they don't use the group finder, and because they don't use the group finder it doesn't pop.
 
I actually find groups about 50/50 group finder/lfg, but that's probably because I'm queued as a healer. I can run open world content while waiting for the queue to pop and paying attention to the chat frame.
 
Ideal? Absolutely not. We need mo' people in this game.
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			i just retired the game with the 10 day trial. will say the game looks to be a bit better, but i spent over an hour in lfg and quit tonite. then went looking on the forums for a reason, here i found 1. this pisses me off dungeons should not be done through a chat if there is a tool.... back when i the game launched( yes i know more ppl) but u had no problems using the tool. 	
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i just retired the game with the 10 day trial. will say the game looks to be a bit better, but i spent over an hour in lfg and quit tonite. then went looking on the forums for a reason, here i found 1. this pisses me off dungeons should not be done through a chat if there is a tool.... back when i the game launched( yes i know more ppl) but u had no problems using the tool. 
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i just retired the game with the 10 day trial. will say the game looks to be a bit better, but i spent over an hour in lfg and quit tonite. then went looking on the forums for a reason, here i found 1. this pisses me off dungeons should not be done through a chat if there is a tool.... back when i the game launched( yes i know more ppl) but u had no problems using the tool. 
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Yep. This is getting a bit ridiculous.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The guy is quitting the game because of issues with players not using the system created by Carbine so that a channel such as this would not be necessary, while the game population has shrunk to a tenth of what it was on release, and you respond by mocking him? Are you kidding me? Do you want to assist the game in going downhill, because that is exactly what you are doing.
 
No there isn't a 'rule' but how many people have quit because of this exact issue? The forums typically represent an extremely small portion of the population, I'm honestly surprised someone meeting the exact scenario I envisioned popped up to post. (Even if I knew it was a very likely and common scenario)
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Dominion has a much smaller population than Exile, for starters. Second, that guy on his trial was trying to queue for a LOW LEVEL dungeon, which almost never happens, because questing is infinitely faster.
 
I don't see how either issue is caused by a channel to allow people to find groups outside of the scope of that queue system.	
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This is even worse at low levels. If anything, it only supports the argument that we need a global channel to make our groups. You can't seriously expect the random group maker (which has cross realm capabilities lol) to actually do its job with such a small community, ESPECIALLY for people leveling. The numbers to fill the group finder queue aren't there. 
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So then put a little message when you log in instructing you how to join the channel. If Carbine doesn't want to implement a game-wide channel despite their low population then that isn't out problem; that's on them. Every player that leaves with the wrong impression is on them, not me or anyone. 
 
Maybe I take it for granted that a lot of people read Reddit and game websites before trying a game in 2015. 
 
I still say that his "PEOPLE SHOULDN'T USE CHAT". Um, no, sweethearts, people can do what they like and form groups how they like. I'm not going to cater to tantrums and act like some kind of PR service/community manager/green text because we don't want the game to shut down. This isn't a paid position. 	
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Maybe I take it for granted that a lot of people read Reddit and game websites before trying a game in 2015. 
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Prior to this game I'd never even heard of Reddit. And most people do not do painstaking research on a video game before they buy it. So yeah, you're taking way too much for granted there.
 
For every person who leaves the game thinking it's dead because of the queues, I agree.
For every person who leaves thinking the community is all too eager to shove people out the door? Eh, you don't have to get paid by Carbine to recognize the frustration and respond to that rather than focus on the tantrum that the frustration generates.
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			Be nice, guys. There's no need to attack each other -- so what if some people like having an LFG channel and some people would like more people to just queue for things? Everyone has their own opinion on how things should work, but that doesn't mean you can call someone else's opinion wrong.	
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Guys I'm pretty sure they meant to say "retried" and not "retired." As in, they are trying the game and frustrated by the dungeon queues, which is a perfectly legitimate argument to make because the queues are bad.But yeah they have dared to say we shouldn't use a lfg channel if there is a lfg tool in game. So instead of educating them on the real cause of the non-pops we are losing our *cupcaking* minds. 
 
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			Are people really trying to blame and channel admin for moderating his own channel?LFG is a player run channel if you *cupcake* off it's members then you get muted/banned/kicked. You cant get a group for raid? Join a guild, Can't join a guild because you annoyed everyone...Guess thats LFGs fault as well. This is a game Play it with friends, If you don't have friends go make some.Does Wildstar need a global channel? Yes it does, Will i use it instead of LFG? Probably not.moderator edit: content
			
				
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Are people really trying to blame and channel admin for moderating his own channel?
LFG is a player run channel if you *cupcake* off it's members then you get muted/banned/kicked. You cant get a group for raid? Join a guild, Can't join a guild because you annoyed everyone...Guess thats LFGs fault as well. This is a game Play it with friends, If you don't have friends go make some.
Does Wildstar need a global channel? Yes it does, Will i use it instead of LFG? Probably not.moderator edit: content
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You're honestly hoping for something that will never happen unless Carbine literally has mods in the chat 24/7 banning everyone who gets "off-topic" and -that- would be a game I'd quit in a heartbeat and I bet a lot of other people would too. 
 
I'm still sticking by my guns: people need to grow a backbone and /ignore if their feelings get hurt too much. It's the nature of the beast. 
 
The whole dungeon finder tool not being used and zone chats being dead might be alleviated once the game is on Steam and we see a potential influx of new blood. Having a global channel, in the end, might not be completely necessary, but I still support the implementation of one. Honestly, it's hard to put a pulse on the game right now. I really think its best days are still ahead of it.
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Look, I know people hate me for whatever reason. That isn't about to change, and I won't try to pretend otherwise. But this thread is about more than just me - it's about everyone. LFG is a very important part of this game, and not everyone knows about it or can use it. And we all know that more people will be banned in the future for stupid reasons. A global channel that isn't controlled by a small group of people that you don't have to manually join is needed in this game.
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I don't disagree that we need a global chat, I do how ever do disagree with you complaining about being kicked from a player run channel, 
 
Do you think the majority of us would touch the global chat?
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I don't disagree that we need a global chat, I do how ever do disagree with you complaining about being kicked from a player run channel, 
 
Do you think the majority of us would touch the global chat?
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The Global channel would give immediate access to newbies which means it would, inevitably, eventually overtake LFG simply by way of convenience. Once new people start trickling in, no matter how much people may not want to, the moment a group request pops up in global, everyone will see it and the trend will start. Basically what happened with LFG. Granted it'll probably eventually get more flooded with trolls than regular LFG simply due to the fact that only people that REALLY want to be in Wildstar are playing right now, but I think that's the nature of F2P anyway. 
 
Please stop highlighting the Sciela banning. There's a ton of other good reasons mentioned in the last four pages for why a player moderated LFG channel, while useful up until now, is heading for a brick wall at highway speeds. 
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It really isn't
 
You say it's more convenient. For new players this is true but for a lot of the players who use LFG it isn't used to find new players to run dungeons with for the most part. A lot of players who use LFG as a main chat would proceed to use it even with a Global chat just due to the lesser number of people who don't know the instance they are trying to get a group for.
 
LFG has it's place for those who don't want to bother with the hassle of not knowing the people who are trying to find a group. Where as the Global will just be flooded with new players and a a lot of useless chatter beyond that of what LFG has.
 
The reason i brought up the ban is because the reason was shoved under a rug. If this isn't the place to talk about the ban then it shouldn't of been used in OP's post and a way to seem like a victim. I dont use these forums so i don't see the problem in bringing the reasoning behind something to light.
 
I did say before i don't disagree and Global chat is needed i just disagree about OP's point that LFG is a essential part of the game and everyone is entitled to be apart of it with no consequence for there actions.
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The amount of trolls and plat-sellers we're gonna get once F2P comes could also ruin the LFG chat you like so much. You think a player-moderated channel will be able to take care of that without a Global LFG where Carbine can strike in full force? I don't think so. There's just so many things that can go wrong.
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Are people really trying to blame and channel admin for moderating his own channel?
 
LFG is a player run channel if you *cupcake* off it's members then you get muted/banned/kicked. You cant get a group for raid? Join a guild, Can't join a guild because you annoyed everyone...Guess thats LFGs fault as well. This is a game Play it with friends, If you don't have friends go make some.
 
Does Wildstar need a global channel? Yes it does, Will i use it instead of LFG? Probably not.
 
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Go back and read my big post a page or so back.  Making an addon to autoban people is shitty.  If someone is being a problem, report them, don't play GM yourself.  That ain't your job.
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Go back and read my big post a page or so back.  Making an addon to autoban people is shitty.  If someone is being a problem, report them, don't play GM yourself.  That ain't your job.
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On one hand, I can see where you're coming from, and part of me wants to agree, since we don't have an official non-player made/controlled global chat system.
 
On the other hand though, since the channel is player made/controlled I don't see it any different than someone that is the leader of a guild or circle getting rid of what they(and/or the rest of the members) feel is a problem player.  
 
I can see both sides of the issue, but I'm more inclined to lean with players moderating themselves in a channel that they've created.  But Carbine really should supply us with a global channel, and we let players know about player run channels if/when they can't stand the global channel antics anymore :P
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			Oh, NVM, I had an opposing opinion and it wasn't liked.  Carry on :D 	
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On the other hand though, since the channel is player made/controlled I don't see it any different than someone that is the leader of a guild or circle getting rid of what they(and/or the rest of the members) feel is a problem player.  
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I can see and respect that kind of point of view. For me, however, this is one of those "unusual circumstances" that can't be compared to joining a guild where it's intuitive to follow the rules that are enforced by officers. Instead, it's a situation where a gigantic amount of power just sorta fell on someone's lap. Nobody ever imagined that a channel would grow to become so large and so important. If the spam banning hadn't happened, I honestly would've forgotten it was player made because, up until that moment, it had been very Laissez-faire. But someone's hand got a little twitchy, a nerve was struck, and all of a sudden we have someone who could be considered a GM in a channel with "rules" that I wasn't aware of before joining. It's like being told I signed a contract before reading it and being under someone's thumb. Who they are as a person is very irrelevant to me in this situation. 
 
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I can see and respect that kind of point of view. For me, however, this is one of those "unusual circumstances" that can't be compared to a joining a guild where it's intuitive to follow the rules that are enforced by officers. Instead, it's a situation where a gigantic amount of power just sorta fell on someone's lap. Nobody ever imagined that a channel would grow to become so large and so important. If the spam banning hadn't happened, I honestly would've forgotten it was player made because, up until that moment, it had been very Laissez-faire. But someone's hand got a little twitchy, a nerve was struck, and all of a sudden we have someone who could be considered a GM in a channel with "rules" that I wasn't aware of before joining. It's like being told I signed a contract before reading it and being under someone's thumb. Who they are as a person is very irrelevant to me in this situation. 
 
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Oh, NVM, I had an opposing opinion and it wasn't liked.  Carry on :D
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Do you think the majority of us would touch the global chat?
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			I am shocked hearing this! Is that the global channel we are talking about? And that players (non-carbine personel) actually kick ppl from that? I suddenly feel like not playing ws anymore. Its a sick move and i hate it. those Wannabe dictators can take the global channel's so called rules and stick it where the sun dont shine....I dare YOU to kick me out of that channel! I DARE YOU!	
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And yet, you're still posting. Almost as if whatever player doesn't like your posts didn't have the ability to autokick you from the forums.  ;)
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These forums do have moderators on them.  If what I was saying was unacceptable, I'd be reported and banned if the moderators saw fit. ;)  
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			Another thing this thread inadvertently highlighted is the need for an account ignore feature. It is pretty easy to put a person on ignore but my god those alts...	
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Almost like the moderators on this forum have rules they have to follow and get in trouble if they just start banning people based on their personal preferences!  :blink:
 
To bring this back on topic, that's quite unlike the situation on that player-created LFG channel in-game, which is part of why it is in no way a viable substitute for a default global LFG channel that each and every player can decide for themselves if they want to participate in.
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			Thing is, the person in question did NOT make the LFG channel, not by a long shot. Knight Rideh made it a long time ago before he quit, and the new person just kind of adopted it recently.	
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			OK, the person in charge of the player made channel.  Either way, same opinion.	
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OK, the person in charge of the player made channel.  Either way, same opinion.
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How did this person come to be in charge? Was ownership just given randomly to them? If it works like in WoW, channel ownership changes as people log in and out. So if I was channel admin, then logged out, it was randomly pass to another user of the channel. 
 
How does it work here? The same way? If so, I think your position is a boat with a bunch of holes in it and you're defending the indefensible. If I'm going to be subjected to the whims of some nerd on a powertrip in his mom's basement as my only viable way to make groups in this game  then don't expect a nice Hard Candy. I mean, writing a mod that blackballs a dude automatically? Do you have any idea how dehumanizing that must feel? Why they still play this game is honestly beyond me. I'd be long gone for a community that has a spine. 
 
What if ownership of the channel just so happened to fall to me one night? I think I'd kick you, beattlebilly. I mean, I don't like your opinions. Isn't that enough? 
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They have a little setup where they give ownership to someone else in their little group before they log off, just to make sure no one gets it that they don't want to have it. I don't know how the person first got hold of it.
 
And I still play because I have no other games to play, and nothing else to do. I've played every MMO on the top 100 list you can think of, and none of them really held me for very long. I don't necessarily like everything about Wildstar either, but it's the best game on the market right now. Without a video game or something to occupy my mind for the majority of the day, my depression skyrockets along with other issues, and my life becomes even more miserable than it already is. :P Every game's community has treated me the same way though, so there's really no escaping it. Played MMO's for around 14 years now, and I was always playing solo and pugging for things. Never really had a guild or anyone to play with, so I'm used to being shunned. But in this game, I've quite literally had a good portion of the game just taken away from me. (Not trying to pull the whole woe is me thing here, just explaining things. ^^)
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... and Sciela getting banned as soon as he posts something.
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Actually, I get banned as soon as I join the channel. I just type something out, copy it, and join the channel and paste as quickly as I can to get it into the channel before I'm kicked. : / I can't even read LFG chat while anyone with that mod is on.
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Right now, what I see in the LFG in the evenings is the occasional "LFG" from random players, off topic conversations, and Sciela getting banned as soon as he posts something.
 
It's incredibly petty and it's a bad image for new players who have probably already heard that this game is elitist. Mods (since I KNOW you're reading!) maybe it would be a good idea to stop directing new players to this channel until this problem is resolved or until there's a real in-game global channel that people can't be kicked from.
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It's bullying. I mean, let's just call a spade a spade. It's bullying. /shrug
 
If I wouldn't get kicked from these forums I'd have some serious choice words about this. I'm trying my best to stay contained and not incur a ban. 
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			As a reminder, this thread really isn't about any one person. Please keep it on the topic of wanting (or not) a global LFG channel.	
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			Carbine realy need to implement a global channel of their own..please do this. I'm gonna try a little Experiment in global chat today...and it will most likely get me banned...but I have to do it...freedom of speach demands it. And then....I have no channel to LFG or anything else anymore. Shame on the ones that kick ppl from that channel. Shame on you!	
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No.
 
There is no need for a global channel.
There was one in beta, and it was removed for a reason.
Some people use it as their personal public chat room, others to troll people, and others to be smartasses, others as a public broadcast system for their soap opera, others as their advertisment board.
 
All you have to do is go into TERA for an hour and you'll figure out pretty quick why a global LFG/chat channel is a bad idea.	
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As a reminder, this thread really isn't about any one person. Please keep it on the topic of wanting (or not) a global LFG channel.
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There is no need for a global channel.
There was one in beta, and it was removed for a reason.
Some people use it as their personal public chat room, others to troll people, and others to be smartasses, others as a public broadcast system for their soap opera, others as their advertisment board.
 
All you have to do is go into TERA for an hour and you'll figure out pretty quick why a global LFG/chat channel is a bad idea.
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If you don't want to use something, nobody's requiring you to use it. But if you don't think there's a need for it, you haven't been watching what new people say when they show up on these forums.
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No.
 
There is no need for a global channel.
There was one in beta, and it was removed for a reason.
Some people use it as their personal public chat room, others to troll people, and others to be smartasses, others as a public broadcast system for their soap opera, others as their advertisment board.
 
All you have to do is go into TERA for an hour and you'll figure out pretty quick why a global LFG/chat channel is a bad idea.
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Was this the EU global channel or the US? As I dont wanna make a fool of myself hitting the wrong channel....(i suspect the NA servers once I heard about those special "rules" ;) )
 
And to the person telling me to read up on freedom of Speech: I'm one of  those fortunate souls that happen to be born in a country where freedom of Speech is mandatory by birth!! Its just sick how some ppl abuse Power..Sick to the core! The moderation should ONLY be at the hands of Carbine!! ONLY!	
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So... exactly how the one in-game is used right now? 
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It's opt in and player choice.
And as such a few people are policing it with no real input from the community.
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I fixed that for you.
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