Report 881

Report #881
Skillset: Night Skill: Nightgaze
 Org: Shadowdancers Status: Completed Nov 2012
Furies' Decision:
Solution 1.
Problem: With the addition of new damage types and attacks for all caster
guilds, there has been one notable exception. Shadowdancers suffer from a
redundant damage type (cold) in both attacks that does not allow for the
flexibility other guilds are allowed. Bards all possess minorsecond along with
an entirely different org specific damage type, mages have tune, druids possess
two type of cudgel attacks of different types, Nihilists have demonweb,
illuminati have blunt or psychic, etc. Even MDs, the closest guild to SD have
two entirely different types of attacks with drawdown. This really limits SD
bashing because while everyone else is presented with options because of
completely different damage types, SDs are limited to cold neutral or weak mobs.
This report aims to grant the SDs the flexibility in bashing areas and damage
types that has been afforded the other guilds so that they will be on par for
bashing.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Change Nightgaze to 50% psychic/50% excoro
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Change Nightgaze to 50% poison/50% excoro
Player Comments:
---[Celina on 11/10 @ 03:12 writes]:
Report rewritten to clarify the problem
---[Asmodea on 11/10 @ 14:40 writes]:
I'm still not to keen on the solutions provided. If you're wanting to bring them
more on par with other guilds, then I would suggest altering NightKiss to do
100% magic or 50%magic/50%asphyx rather than buffing NightGaze.
---[Celina on 11/10 @ 16:04 writes]:
I have to function in the realm of what is thematically appropriate. I'm not
going to envoy a damage type that will get rejected because it makes no sense
with the attack. If you would like to argue the PVP side, I'd be curious as to
why you think SDs don't warrant a damage type that can compete with Moondancers
fire/divinus. Fire being damage type with by far the most racial weaknesses to
the most common races, and divinus being comparable to excoro. Complaints about
SD and MD damage is literally unheard of (I'd venture to guess because they
still have the slowest attack in the game at 4 seconds).
---[Asmodea on 11/11 @ 00:41 writes]:
I would think magic damage would fit thematically quite well with NightKiss.
SD's are witches, they do magic which leaves interpretation quite wide open as
to the message. As for PvP, the same could be said for all the bard guilds,
WildeChord, IronChord, StarChord, ShadowChord, LoralChord and ChaosChord are all
VERY different and all on different ends of the scale when it comes to
comparisons of damage types and damage.
---[Celina on 11/11 @ 01:41 writes]:
You are drawing heat from their body, not shooting a beam of moonlight at them.
Magic makes no sense for Nightkiss, nor do I intend to copycat MDs for damage
types. I'm not in the business of dooming a report by turning into a copycat
skill. The PVP comment is a bit ridiculous. If you see no issue with moonfire in
pvp (and I don't), you can't legitimately reject this report just because it's
for a Glom guild. Certainly not with the argument that some bard guilds have
unfortunate damage types, so SDs should get stuck with one too. This entire
report is about fairness.
---[Eventru on 11/11 @ 01:48 writes]:
Thematically speaking, the goal of Nightgaze was to give them a 50%
excorable/50% "something else" attack. Doing 50 cold/50 asphyx and 50 cold/50
excoro is okay, but admittedly it locks shadowdancers down into a point where
fighting cold mobs isn't appropriate. Comparatively, moonfire is 50 fire/50
divinus. I wouldn't inherently mind changing the other attack (in this instance
nightkiss) versus nightgaze, but I think that damage type is pretty locked in,
thematically. I don't see a real problem with making nightgaze 50/50
psychic/excoro.
---[Asmodea on 11/11 @ 03:44 writes]:
I've talked this over with some others and come to agree that SD's are at a
somewhat disadvantage when it comes to hunting. However that said,
"thematically" imo, with Nightkiss You are drawing the lifeforce from them iirc,
so Magic/Asphyx does make sense the only cold reference in the message is your
cold lips touching their neck. So thematically, from the two attacks, Nightgaze
would have the cold due to the unsettling cold that steals into their bones and
flesh.
---[Asmodea on 11/11 @ 03:45 writes]:
Oh and I wasn't disagreeing with this because you were a Glom guild, saying that
is insulting.
---[Celina on 11/11 @ 05:22 writes]:
Nightkiss is pretty cemented as cold damage, as Eventru has said. There are
actually several references to cold damage in the attack, including " you are
momentarily frozen in pain," and the death message "eyes become glassy and
cold." As far as the comment about opposing it because we it's a glom guild, I
made the comment about it needing to comparable to MD moonfire, to which you
responded that some bard attacks are worse than others, and essentially SDs
should have a worse damage type than MDs because of this (paraphrased)...which
kind of lead me to that conclusion. That's neither here nor there, but if I
insulted you, I apologize and feel free to bring it up with me.
---[Celina on 11/11 @ 05:30 writes]:
Again, I believe it needs to be comparable to its counterpart moonfire. If
fire/divinus is not an issue, what's the argument behind psychic/excoro being
unreasonable.
---[Celina on 11/11 @ 05:33 writes]:
Just for additional information: illithoid, kephera, elfen, trill, and lucidian
all have racial resistances to psychic...which is why I don't think the rare
psychic dmp is big of a deal as it's made out to be. The reverse would be fire
havging a lot of fire dmp available, but a lot of races having weaknesses to it.
---[Asmodea on 11/11 @ 06:27 writes]:
Fair enough, I took the frozen in pain part more of being in such pain you're
paralysed, and the glassy and cold part being that you're dead so you would kind
of look that way. But eh.
---[Aeden on 11/11 @ 23:56 writes]:
Solution 1
---[Tacita on 11/12 @ 15:02 writes]:
Support a change to it, ambivalent about which solution.
---[Viynain on 11/14 @ 22:01 writes]:
Likewise, I support a change to Nightgaze, and would suggest a 50/50 split
magic/excorable if folk balk at psychic or poison. Any of the solutions would go
fine with me.
---[Shuyin on 11/18 @ 22:50 writes]:
I like magic/excorable myself. Psychic seems like a Gaudiguch thing while Poison
is alreayd done by Harbs, though I suppose it would be thematic with SD's as
well.
---[Llandros on 11/28 @ 16:19 writes]:
Keep in mind that with magic from natures curse and then 3 damage types from
gaze/kiss you have more damage types than any bard guild and the moondancers. I
support a magic/exorable change but based solely on the fact that doubling up on
cold is bleh.
---[Celina on 11/29 @ 01:38 writes]:
I'll just say I don't really agree with giving SDs a worse version of moonburst
when no one has a good argument against psychic. Yes, we will have a plethora of
damage types, why does that matter. They're all split, meaning we deal with just
as many resistances as we do weaknesses, but it also means we need twice as many
tattoos and curios to buff equally buff our damage as pure damage attacks. I'm
sorry, we deserve a level playing field, which is not giving us a watered down
version of moonburst.
---[Llandros on 11/29 @ 16:25 writes]:
Creating a level playing field by giving you an additional damage type with few
resistances? Are you sure you don't just want to go with unblockable, you know,
just to be fair?
---[Xenthos on 11/30 @ 05:04 writes]:
I'm fine with adjusting the damage types somewhat, though with it being excoro
it's always going to be a little lacking as far as high-end bashing goes.
That's an inherent part of the skill's concept though, so it's not going
anywhere.