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Assumptions are very unbecoming and don't make a very strong basis for argument.
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			If a gold seller pays $15.00 then creates a guild, they will get banned. They can keep on giving CRB $15.00 a crack as long as they keep banning the assholes.	
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You're doing it again.
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Actually, I didn't know that. So thanks for clarifying. Sometimes its easy (on both sides of a disagreement) to lump everyone in the opposing camp together. So I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
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If a gold seller pays $15.00 then creates a guild, they will get banned. They can keep on giving CRB $15.00 a crack as long as they keep banning the assholes.
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No they shouldn't, because that's not how memberships work... lets take a look at Amazon prime.
 
They offer a value if you agree to pay X amount ($99/year) they will give you free 2 day shipping on everything you buy, plus access to ridiculous amounts of content. If you don't join as a member, you can just pay shipping and buy movies and music as you go along.
 
Does the person who isn't a member start getting Prime benefits when they reach the $99 spent mark? No, they don't. 
 
That's the tradeoff for, dare I say it, loyalty. A better deal up front if you agree to come along for the ride.
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Hey folks, that's enough with the snide comments and insults. If you want to have a constructive on topic discussion then by all means please continue - there's no reason you have to see eye to eye, but you do have to lay off the snark. There's no reason for it here and they will be removed. 
 
- Team WildStar 	
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Aw, I ain't fightin' anyone. Honestly, I probably shouldn't have even started in this morning, but I let my snark get the better of me.
 
So instead of being a meaniepants, I just thought I'd try to make people laugh.
 
Gungan, I'm sorry, broseph. I don't mean nothin' by it. I promise. :wub:
 
 
EDIT: Heh, I see the Pony beat me to it. Sorry, Chillia. I wasn't trying to instigate, just having a little fun is all. ;)	
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Aw, I ain't fightin' anyone. Honestly, I probably shouldn't have even started in this morning, but I let my snark get the better of me.
 
So instead of being a meaniepants, I just thought I'd try to make people laugh.
 
Gungan, I'm sorry, broseph. I don't mean nothin' by it. I promise. :wub:
 
 
EDIT: Heh, I see the Pony beat me to it. Sorry, Chillia. I wasn't trying to instigate, just having a little fun is all. ;)
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It's all good. This is the part where we hug, isn't it? It feels like this is the part where we hug. *reaches out awkwardly*
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Hey folks, that's enough with the snide comments and insults. If you want to have a constructive on topic discussion then by all means please continue - there's no reason you have to see eye to eye, but you do have to lay off the snark. There's no reason for it here and they will be removed. 
 
- Team WildStar
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*puts down campfire*
*gets out guitar*
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*psst* On topic, please... Thank you. :) Topic is 'my dream WildStar cash shop' for those who may have forgotten. :)
 
My dream WildStar cash shop allows players to reduce their forum warning points for $19.99 and deposits it directly into my bank account... I kid I kid!!!! This is NOT going to be a feature... (mods can joke too.. ) 
 
I'd love to see an actual physical Protostar store in-game that I can walk through and browse. I really think that would be awesome. 	
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but I still feel sorry for the day when you realize everything you fight against slowly becomes reality. The game you kept telling them to keep doing and making isn't a success and they've done better doing the opposite of your passionate pleas than they ever did holding fast to your idea of fun and hardcore.
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			My dream cash shop will sell me an item that makes me fly. Not in game. In real life. We're talking about dreams so I say: dream big!	
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My dream cash shop will sell me an item that makes me fly. Not in game. In real life. We're talking about dreams so I say: dream big!
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*psst* On topic, please... Thank you. :) Topic is 'my dream WildStar cash shop' for those who may have forgotten. :)
 
My dream WildStar cash shop allows players to reduce their forum warning points for $19.99 and deposits it directly into my bank account... I kid I kid!!!! This is NOT going to be a feature... (mods can joke too.. ) 
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Dream Shop...
 
Physical store Protostar style, so very WildStar.
 
No mystery/gamble boxes.
 
Please and thank you.	
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Dream Shop...
 
Physical store Protostar style, so very WildStar.
 
No mystery/gamble boxes.
 
Please and thank you.
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Everything I fight against? It's the same thing the developers fought against... but once again the players -- like you -- are the problem.
 
These ideas were/are not mine - they are Carbine's. And believe me, every compromise they have to make to accommodate ridiculous players leaves the devs and designers salty. They are now making a game *they didn't want to make.*
 
You think that will result in a better game for players? They're now forced to consider monetization before gameplay. So they will be fighting internally every inch of the way, just as I will be doing here on the forums in support of them who cannot put their voices here. These things chip away at the game.
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I probably won't buy much. Additional character slots (if we can go over 12 that is).
 
I would buy, if they had them, real life Tee Shirts, tank tops and maybe a plushie.
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*psst* On topic, please... Thank you. :) Topic is 'my dream WildStar cash shop' for those who may have forgotten. :)
 
My dream WildStar cash shop allows players to reduce their forum warning points for $19.99 and deposits it directly into my bank account... I kid I kid!!!! This is NOT going to be a feature... (mods can joke too.. ) 
 
I'd love to see an actual physical Protostar store in-game that I can walk through and browse. I really think that would be awesome. 
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I'm asking because he said this:
The discussion was about a non-member attaining the same benefits as a member without committing to membership, which clearly should never be the case. But he was suggesting it should.
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I want Protostar to get creative and escape their machine confinement to invent a clever device called Splat-a-Mod or Splat-a-Dev. This device, built in the real world, would smash jelly and water filled balloons on the sides of Carbine employee heads for a small fee. The best part is that you can choose which flavor of jelly you want!
 
It's a win/win for everyone...especially if you start livestreaming your work days. :D
 
(ps, this is just a joke to go along with yours...not a serious beef with employees. Doing great things over there, just wanted a dunk tank equivalent with some protostar violence involved)
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They could hire a bunch of people, put them all in dunk tanks and livestream them all, then dunk them whenever someone paid $19.99.
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That too, but something about a jelly filled balloon just rung out as awesome in my head. Can't you picture a little robot arm looming over them while they type? *twiddles fingers maniacally* mwahaha
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I probably won't buy much. Additional character slots (if we can go over 12 that is).
 
I would buy, if they had them, real life Tee Shirts, tank tops and maybe a plushie.
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 Everything I fight against? It's the same thing the developers fought against... but once again the players -- like you -- are the problem.
 
These ideas were/are not mine - they are Carbine's. And believe me, every compromise they have to make to accommodate ridiculous players leaves the devs and designers salty. They are now making a game *they didn't want to make.*
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			gears in cashshop besides transmog = p2w.. dont go down this road carbine..	
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What you're asking for is worth vastly more than $15 because you're asking for the convenience to skip out entirely on a new currency system and use plat instead.
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I actually LOVE the idea of a cash shop...not to be that person who brings up other games, but I am really into tera's cash shop which includes really fun cosmetics, mounts, and TONSS of other things
 
I'm really looking forward to what carbine has to offer!	
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Would love to be able to expand housing somewhat. So, a few things on that front;
    Larger/Different shaped Skyplots
    More FabKit plugs (maybe just a FabKit addition that can be added)
    Housing Crate Increase/Decor Placed Increase (though, I feel this should've already happened. 2000 is what you can put out, what about things you want to put out for special occasions when maxed?)
    More in-game NPC items (Aurin tree houses, Granok party barges, traditional architecture from all races, etc)
    Decor Packs (including multiple items, like 5-10 from a set)
    Music choices
    Terrain options (something not...flat maybe?)
    Skyplot Shield Colors/Shapes (Would be cool to have something like the ones in Snowfade or Woodhaven)
    Skyplot Hover Engine designs (with the ability to remove them entirely)
    Different options for the view (not all Skyplots are designed to be in the sky after all...ground level options would be fun! Maybe themed after zones/established towns?)
These last two though, I'm not sure on. Perhaps they should just be included with Signature Status as they've been hinted at in the past as "in the works for future release":
    Skyplot Communities (Limited to say 5 or 10 skyplots linked together?)
    Guild Communities (Well, guilds are big...so many many linked together) 	
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Paying for all of the shipping for things I buy on Amazon would also be *vastly* more that the price I pay to be a Prime member.
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Omnibits also aren't part of a monetization loop. In fact, they are the exact opposite--they're an in-game method for you to not pay money. They are the path out of the monetization loop for those who don't want to pay cash for those items. 
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That's my guess, too. What I assume they will do is give us a one-time 'generous' reward of omnibits (maybe by completing some quest introducing you to them) that will be enough to buy exactly one of the cheapest things in the Cash Shop.
 
If they do give a decent-ish ammount of omnibits in any content, I predict it will be on raids and raids only. Because I don't think Carbine has still abandoned their 'Deep down every player desires to be HARDCORE!. We just need to push them a bit!' philosophy. And what better to push people into raids than the promise of giving them stuff for free that they would have to pay otherwise?	
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We do not know the drop rate for Omnibits. Nor do we know how many it will take to buy something in the cash shop. We do know that you cannot combine NCoin with Omnibits, though, which means if you get some over the course of playing but it's not enough to buy anything, you can't supplement it with any NCoin you might have.
 
I can almost guarantee that the drop rate for Omnibits is going to be tuned towards pushing people to the cash shop from a real money angle, though.
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On one hand... Naunet is right to think that the drop rate for Omnibits will be low for the obvious reasons. The goal will be to have them drop just enough to entice people to supplement a shop purchase with cash for the shortfall.
 
On the other... At least they are putting a alternative way to purchase from the shop other than cash. They didn't have to.	
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I would have expected you to view the inability to combine Omnibits and NCoins as good news, however. It removes pressure from the Omnibit farmer to supplement their farming with NCoins--that really isn't an option. 
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So... my thread got locked... despite clearifying why it was a seperate thread.
 
Oh well here goes:
1-50 cash boosting Yay or Nay?
 
Edit: nvm started a seperate discussion here	
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I really doubt that's the approach they will take, though. I think they'll tune the Omnibits drop rate low enough that it won't really be feasible to try and farm them, which will push people towards NCoins. "Look, guys, a new costume! Only X amount of NCoin or Y amount of Omnibits! You can either buy it now with your NCoin or spend a month or more grinding Omnibits for this single costume. Oh and did we mention there's waaaaay more stuff than just this single costume? Good luck getting stuff with just Omnibits!"
 
I'm not at all willing to look at Omnibits as some savior for the game's F2Pness.
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So... my thread got locked... despite clearifying why it was a seperate thread.
 
Oh well here goes:
1-50 cash boosting Yay or Nay?
 
Edit: nvm started a seperate discussion here
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The one thing I do NOT want AT ALL.
 
GAMBLING BOXES!!!!!!
 
In every F2P game these are added with huge aggressive marketing, DON'T ADD them.
 
To hell with RNG!	
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The omnibits are there so that if you are adamant that you will NOT buy anything at all or anything more than a subscription, there will be a pathway available to you. Will it be easy? No, but then again you're the one refusing to participate in their business model, not them.
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The one thing I do NOT want AT ALL.
 
GAMBLING BOXES!!!!!!
 
In every F2P game these are added with huge aggressive marketing, DON'T ADD them.
 
To hell with RNG!
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So... my thread got locked... despite clearifying why it was a seperate thread.
 
Oh well here goes:
1-50 cash boosting Yay or Nay?
 
Edit: nvm started a seperate discussion here
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This would be fine if the cash shop + subscription model did not introduce a double dipping situation. If I choose to remain subscribed, supporting WildStar with a consistent, dependable source of money, then the cash shop still exists and treats me the same way as if I was "refusing to participate in their business model". I don't appreciate it.
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You are in fact refusing to participate in their business model. The whole point of F2P models is that the ones that work are highly flexible. They're giving you several options to make use of the cash shop and/or signature membership and you are simply refusing to use most of them--not because they cost more but because you don't want to.
 
 
They've gone to considerable lengths to make sure that you have lots of options for being a signature member AND lots of options for getting the stuff in the cash shop without ever exceeding your current cash spend. We don't actually have the details yet that will let us know exactly how much effort will be required and whether it will be easier to spend cash in the shop and farm the plat to buy CREDD for your Signature membership, or spend cash on your Signature membership and farm Omnibits for cash shop purchases, but either one will be an option if you're determined to have both without simply paying for both.
 
If you're unhappy that it's even possible to spend more than $15/30 days--that there's "double-dipping" going on--the reality is that this has been possible through CREDD since day 1 as a way for people with more cash than you to get their stuff much faster than you with less in-game effort than you. 
 
As for being a reliable and dependable customer because you subscribe, there's nothing reliable or dependable about the subscription option when it can be canceled every 30 days. Every person playing the game has been a subscriber and the vast majority of them simply dropped sub and left when they decided they wanted to. And if you bought a longer subscription, you got a cash discount for your reliability and dependability already.
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If you're unhappy that it's even possible to spend more than $15/30 days--that there's "double-dipping" going on--the reality is that this has been possible through CREDD since day 1 as a way for people with more cash than you to get their stuff much faster than you with less in-game effort than you. 
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Until they have a complete list of what we gain/loose from subbing/going F2P it's hard to comment on if it's worth holding onto a sub. Details about signature service are few. Shop pricing is non-existent. Omnibit drop rates, will there be a stipend for having a sub? Well, you get the idea.
 
Personally, I'm going with whichever pay model benefits me. I know Carbine will be trying to monetize regardless.
 
I doubt the sub method is going to give people everything they want for $15 bucks a month. I also doubt that $15 bucks a month is going to buy people everything they want from the shop.
 
Assuming Carbine want's our input, it's better to focus on what we would want to see/not see in the shop itself. Since that will affect the direction of the game down the line.
 
F2P is coming whether we want it or not.	
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I spent probably $80-100 on CREDD that I used to finish out the amps and abilities on medic, because the grind is not fun and I have the means to spare the cash.
 
So yeah, P2W. My character got stronger faster because I was able to transform real cash into plat in game.	
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Dave Georgeson, EQ Director, has some interesting words about subscriptions (emphasis, mine)
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If we throw our money fast enough it may reverse the polarity and travel forward through time to when the cash shop is open. It's a risky maneuver but damn it it's the only option we've got!!
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And now suddenly it's not enough to these same people. <snip>
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But what you're asking for is the option to skip out on an in-game currency that cannot be obtained for cash, and you're asking for it because you don't want to feel pressured to spend cash. That's flatly invalid reasoning, sorry.
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I'm already spending cash. $15 per month. That pressure is already off, since I'm opening my wallet automatically for them each month.
 
So in order to maintain the totality of my access to the game -- the same way it is now -- when I switch to Signature membership, all items must also be available to Signature members outside of the cash shop currency. That doesn't mean they don't take work to earn in game, it just shouldn't be through the cash shop for Signature players. Omnibits does not solve this.
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Omnibits does solve that. It's not the cash shop currency because the cash shop currency is NCoins. But if you also require that you never have to enter the cash shop at all, then what if they simply:
 
1. place all cash shop items in a vendor labelled "Omnibits Vendor" that offers the exact same thing as the cash shop, takes Omnibits, and does not take NCoins, and
2. retain a separate cash shop interface for NCoins, offering all the same items but for NCoins and not Omnibits, that you're free to make invisible
 
Does that address the totality of your access in the game? And if not, why not?
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If I understand at all, it sounds like #1 is what they would do inside of the game. I'd prefer to not even deal with a new currency at all though, just make those items available to a Signature vendor via an existing currency.
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We're getting into minutiae that I think is muddying the waters; my overall suggestion is simple: make the cash shop and currency invisible to Signature members.
 
So, if there end up being items on the cash shop that are not already obtainable in game, then those items would get added to a vendor accessible only to Signature members and purchasable for gold (or an existing currency)
 
That's really as simple and as complex as it gets (implementation, maybe another story.)
 
Beyond that, I don't care if Ncoin buys Omnibits or Ombnimits buys Ncoin or OmniCoin buys Nbits or anything in between -- as long as it's all invisible to me as a Signature member.	
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Is Sub + in-game Omnibits vendor that does not require any cash for any item "double-dipping"? Omnibits are an in-game currency that you cannot obtain with cash but can obtain through game play. I have yet to hear any explanation from you about why that's unacceptable to you other than a casual--and obviously false--dismissal of the very existence of Omnibits as a means to obtain items.
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			Carbine is going to be expecting some of the signature players to buy stuff from the cash shop with their own money as well as the free players, you cant expect everything in the cash shop to be in the game it would defeat the purpose of having a cash shop in the first place, cash shops have to have their own novelty to them or they don't make money. Its the nature of the beast and carbine is going to be having to depend on income coming from the cash shop as well. There will be signature players spending some serious money on cash shop mounts and vanity items as well as f2p players dumping some cash in from time to time. If carbine is making it so signature players get a bit of a discount in the cash shop I think thats pretty fair actually. 	
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Carbine is going to be expecting some of the signature players to buy stuff from the cash shop with their own money as well as the free players, you cant expect everything in the cash shop to be in the game it would defeat the purpose of having a cash shop in the first place, cash shops have to have their own novelty to them or they don't make money. Its the nature of the beast and carbine is going to be having to depend on income coming from the cash shop as well. There will be signature players spending some serious money on cash shop mounts and vanity items as well as f2p players dumping some cash in from time to time. If carbine is making it so signature players get a bit of a discount in the cash shop I think thats pretty fair actually. 
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The items need to be tradeable in-game, that way people will purchase them from the cash shop to sell, or give away as part of player made contests and such, to players in-game.  I don't think all the cash shop items should be put on a vendor in-game for in-game currencies, but there should be some items that are.
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Carbine is going to be expecting some of the signature players to buy stuff from the cash shop with their own money as well as the free players, you cant expect everything in the cash shop to be in the game it would defeat the purpose of having a cash shop in the first place, cash shops have to have their own novelty to them or they don't make money. Its the nature of the beast and carbine is going to be having to depend on income coming from the cash shop as well. There will be signature players spending some serious money on cash shop mounts and vanity items as well as f2p players dumping some cash in from time to time. If carbine is making it so signature players get a bit of a discount in the cash shop I think thats pretty fair actually.
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No, because Signature is its own business model. If I'm not mistaken, the plan will be to get $15 from each player every month, as it was originally... the source of that income will now be different for some players.
 
So they really can't now say ok, Signature members, we want $15 from you plus another $15 so you can have what you had before.
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Again, my primary hope is that I don't even know a cash shop is present. I don't want a stipend of Omnibits, I don't want the store window in my UI.
 
The only thing that really matters is that I can get everything in the cash shop via some other method.	
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All I've said regarding Omnibits is that it's unwise to hail them as a savior of F2P without knowing their drop rate. For all we know, they could have a drop rate a la the world dropped AMP/Ability Points, and in over a year of playing, I've never seen one of those drop. I think it's likely that Omnibits will fall under the "technically available but practically not something farmable" category, given Carbine will want to incentivize people to actually spend real money on their cash shop.
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Ultimately, it comes down to this. The entire point of F2P or B2P as a business model is that the amount that people can spend on the game is no longer limited. In economic terms, you have gone from a single price equillibrium where the supply meats the demand, to a curve where those willing to pay 200 dollars pay 200 dollars for their stuff and those willing to pay 1 dollar pay 1 dollar. Its the same reason that Airlines charge difference amounts of money (extracting more money out of the demand curve by charging more money to those that are willing to pay it and less to those that won't).
 
If they did what you said and made the cash shop invisible to Signature members then they have put a ceiling on the amount Sig members can pay, which they don't want to do, because it defeats the entire purpose of price discrimination. 
 
If they open up things in the cash shop to be bought by Sig members with plat, they are now going to be open to a host of gold farmers essentially stealing all their profits (if they offer more plat for less money, you would be dumb to buy it directly from shop except for legality issues). But that possibility is still there.
 
Ultimately, the cash shop stuff won't be available by a super easily grindable currency, because that defeats the whole purpose of the cash shop in the first place.	
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That's funny, here I thought we were actually getting to an implementation that would meet your concerns if your concerns were what you actually stated them to be: totality of game access to you at no additional cost beyond signature membership, with no need for you to ever be directly exposed to the cash/NCoins exchange in any way.
 
Now we're back to "I don't want Omnibits even if they're earned by gameplay and not part of the cash/NCoin monetization scheme in any way."
The waters are looking considerably muddier to me now than they were before you backed out of a situation that provided you with exactly what you were asking for.
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I think you're doing it to yourself :) There's nothing confusing here - Omnibits are a part of the f2p solution, which means they're one of the things that Signature members shouldn't have to deal with on any level.
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But I'm going to guess that this would in fact not satisfy what you're looking for. Do I have that right? Or is that a solution you'd be just fine with?
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It seems like it would.
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			Of course they had to add some stupid RNG wheel	
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			Merchandise. Specifically Voxine merchandise.	
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			Custom audio and visual packs for class abilities, definitely. Some kind of terraforming tool for housing plots wouldn't be so bad either. (And the prestige-locked costumes in there as well!)	
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			http://www.twitch.tv/kalscattergood/v/9704879gives you a good look	
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			Lots of cosmetic items specifically.	
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			I really don't understand why you'd want to cash shop gathering tools for the Relic Hunter/Miner/Survivalist when they already exist in game, and for very little currency.  As for the plants, at game launch you used to be able to click F just like harvesting, but all the bots destroyed that and they made it so you had to attack plants.  I would like to see an easy plant harvest again, I can also live without.  I certainly won't be paying cash though for harvesting plants.	
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			After reviewing the current cash shop in the ptr this is what I would like to see in the shop.Housing-Item pack unlocks.. meaning once you buy it it unlocks on the vender and its account wide. And you can buy as many as you want from vender once their unlocked.Building material- We need more wall visual variations. the few we have now just isn't enoughA wall and floor combination- all wall and floor tile typed building blocks included with the set. With no strange textures just straight up smooth and solid color.black wall and floor set- solid color with no texture or color variationwhite wall and floor set- solid color with no texture or color variationassortment of different colored sets- solid color with no texture or variation.Walls and floor combinations with textures, patterns and color variations such as brick walls with graffitii ect.Neon signs in basic shapes and in differant colors.. like just a trangle, square, rectangle, circle, curve and straight line..these would be popular for making custom signs and using for neon trimming.Neon alphabet sets in different color collections- for making signs. or for other purposes.Special NPCs that have a similar feature like the mannequins that have access to the holowardrobe but also have a tab that is accessable to the protostar make over so their features are customizable an their outfits are dyable.. this would be an excellent sink to the new coins that can be applied here. Under the pose tabe make it so its an emote that repeats itself.. such as dancing or drinking and sitting ect. Sell these npcs individually and include alll races and genders (cross faction like the guards currently are) and sell them for much more than what a regular npc would sell for.. these types of npcs could be concidered mannequins.. but you will probably sell more if their under the special deco items. Also give them the same size slider as the new npcs coming our way.lighting increase unlockable- since the plots will be bigger and the deco can get as high as it will.. it will make the most sense to also sell lighting upgrades.water block set.. where characters can actually swim in.. this would be a big hit for those that want them olympic sized pools. just remove the drowning timer for this for the builders that decide to turn their whole plot into an aquarium lol...And last but not least low gravity enviroment... so the whole plot has a low gravity field to it.. this has been brought up many times before.I mostly focused on housing since its gonna be a big money maker for the shop and im sure carbine already knows we want sexy outfits and weapon skins.
			
				
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