105656-this-is-not-an-mmo-well-not-on-my-server-anyway

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My server is so dead.
 
The server population issue needs to be addressed.  
 
How can Carbine justify to charge someone per character to move when there are so many low populated servers.
 
I have 6 characters, and refuse to pay for each of them to be moved to a server where i can actually play an MMO.
 
Yes you wont be getting my 6 times character transfer fee,  and i will not be renewing my subscription to play on empty servers.
 
Surely a happy player keeps paying a subscription and keeps the revenue coming in.  If there was a way to poll everyone on my server i think its would be a huge percentage who are not happy.
 
I know in my PVP circle we have over 40 names..  Im the only one whose logged in this week.	
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1.  I agree.  Wildstar is too spread out.  Need to consolidate.  
 
That said.  Q.  How many of your 6 characters are actually worth transferring?  	
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			So ... not to be obtuse, but it's only been two months. Why not just roll on to a new server and have some fun while waiting for Carbine to sort out the population issues?	
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			The Evindragon within calls for you...*spooky draken arm wave* WOoooOOOoOOoOOOoooooO....o	
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			why do none of these thread starters identify WHICH dying server they are a part of?	
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why do none of these thread starters identify WHICH dying server they are a part of?
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My lowest two charcters are both level 15.   
 
Each has about 6 half hours played time.   Yes you could argue why transfer these it only amount to 13 hours.
 
But its the principal why should I have to pay for a service that is not delivering?
 
Why should I just throw them hours I have put into something away?
 
Why should we expect a lower quality of service from an online gaming company than you would get in the high street?
 
If you have a "bad meal" in a restaurant you are maybe offered it for free or a replacement or discount etc.
 
If you have a bad experience here you have to pay for the privilege of moving or lump it. 	
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Im in EU.  and its 20.00 server time.
 
Out of the 17 servers.
 
4 have medium population the rest low.	
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My lowest two charcters are both level 15.   
 
Each has about 6 half hours played time.   Yes you could argue why transfer these it only amount to 13 hours.
 
But its the principal why should I have to pay for a service that is not delivering?
 
Why should I just throw them hours I have put into something away?
 
Why should we expect a lower quality of service from an online gaming company than you would get in the high street?
 
If you have a "bad meal" in a restaurant you are maybe offered it for free or a replacement or discount etc.
 
If you have a bad experience here you have to pay for the privilege of moving or lump it. 
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Im in EU contagion.
 
/who 50
 
19 online at 20.00pm server time.
 
Maybe that's acceptable for some.   But for me its not a MMO	
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Im in EU contagion.
 
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			Yeah it seems like the EU servers are doing really poor population wise. I do wonder why that is compared to the NA servers?	
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Yeah it seems like the EU servers are doing really poor population wise. I do wonder why that is compared to the NA servers?
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well if you are looking for options you have a couple currently available
 
1. make characters on another server. you said you dont want to do that.
2. pay for a server transfer. you have said you dont want to do that
3. wait for a free transfer or server merge (not currently available so not really an option)
4. complain about it on the forums in a new thread instead of many existing ones in the hopes that...well.. an act of the gods happen I guess, so... done. (by the way, more people posting in an existing thread would be seen better than lets say a bunch of couple reply threads that get locked)
5. quit if you arent happy because Carbine isnt listening to you
 
really, your best option at present would be option 1.
 
I am guessing Contagion is a pvp server... as it always seems to be pvp servers....
 
and a second guess...you are dominion?	
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Why should I just throw them hours I have put into something away?
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Im not really complaining about server being low.
 
They were obviously put up for player demand when game came out.  
 
And who was to know the player retention. 
 
 
 
 
But when game was released and there was X amount of hours to queue on some servers.  carbine offered free transfers help with the problem.
 
Now the opposite problem exists, where for whatever reason people have left or to many servers were created for demand,
 
What I am complaining about is why should the consumer have to pay directly for this to be addressed.  And its not like a single payment account transfer, its every character.	
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well if you are looking for options you have a couple currently available
 
1. make characters on another server. you said you dont want to do that.
2. pay for a server transfer. you have said you dont want to do that
3. wait for a free transfer or server merge (not currently available so not really an option)
4. complain about it on the forums in a new thread instead of many existing ones in the hopes that...well.. an act of the gods happen I guess, so... done. (by the way, more people posting in an existing thread would be seen better than lets say a bunch of couple reply threads that get locked)
5. quit if you arent happy because Carbine isnt listening to you
 
really, your best option at present would be option 1.
 
I am guessing Contagion is a pvp server... as it always seems to be pvp servers....
 
and a second guess...you are dominion?
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Riddle me this, batman. What is a good dommy pve server? Because they're all currently low pop on my screen and I want to play now.
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couldnt tell you at all since I dont play dominion.
 
but I am sure that someone else on here does and if you are seriously asking, I am sure they could tell you
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Riddle me this, batman. What is a good dommy pve server? Because they're all currently low pop on my screen and I want to play now.
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Stormtalon (US).  When I'm on my medic, there's always plenty of folk on.  I only play during Prime Time, so take that for what it's worth.
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There really aren't any. Dominion population on most servers is abysmal.
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well if you are looking for options you have a couple currently available
 
1. make characters on another server. you said you dont want to do that.
2. pay for a server transfer. you have said you dont want to do that
3. wait for a free transfer or server merge (not currently available so not really an option)
4. complain about it on the forums in a new thread instead of many existing ones in the hopes that...well.. an act of the gods happen I guess, so... done. (by the way, more people posting in an existing thread would be seen better than lets say a bunch of couple reply threads that get locked)
5. quit if you arent happy because Carbine isnt listening to you
 
really, your best option at present would be option 1.
 
I am guessing Contagion is a pvp server... as it always seems to be pvp servers....
 
and a second guess...you are dominion?
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I don't see why re-rolling on a more populated realm isn't an option.
 
In WoW, I deleted an entire account worth of characters (6 level 90s, tons of 85s and others) to start completely over.
 
You know why. It's all just pixels.	
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Lankybrit:
 
Each to there own.   You may enjoy that.
 
 
You may enjoy reading the same book over and over again.
 
Or watching the same film over and over again
 
 
You may enjoy painting your home a different colour every summer.
 
 
The world is full of people who like different things. 
 
I for one am not into the above but have no problem for you enjoying the things you want to do.
 
 
I think for enjoyment I would even pay for all 6 characters to be moved.  (Even thought it does and would frustrate me)
 
But I could not expect casual friends I have to pay that fee if they wanted to carry on playing with me.	
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Will give it a go, thank you!
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why do none of these thread starters identify WHICH dying server they are a part of?
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The thing is, most exile players aren't seeing the issue.
 
The issue is on Dominion side.
 
 
Your on stormtalon MisterVertigo ?
Make a dominion alt to level 6 and run to Ilum.
 
 
Have you been doing Skorchwing and The tree of life quest ?
 
How many Dominion are you seeing in the zones while questing and doing dailies ?
 
 
I bet you its not even close to what you see of exiles.	
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			I don't disagree that there are less Dominion. I have done SW and the Tree quests, and there are fewer Dominion. I certainly would not say there are NONE though. There are a few in my guild that have started doing some PvP lately, but I have not spoken to them to get a feel for what the population is like.	
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Thing is, we have one of the Best PVE dominion pops, and we come no where near the people you have on exile...
 
I took an alt to level 13 this weekend on exile now, i went to do the group 2+ quests and there was 5-6 exiles at each one.
 
 
I leveled my medic alt to 50, i had to solo them (which is easy at lowbie levels) or have a friend come kill the harder ones at higher level) As i didn't run into much help.	
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"I'm not saying you aren't having an issue, but please don't say that there is no population when that isn't true for everyone."
 
 
 
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I was gonna say the same thing. On my server (Stormtalon) at any given time there are so many people crowded around the AH/CX in Thayd that you can't see the NPC. I try to do my dailies during the day over lunch because there is too much competition for mobs and things during "primetime".
 
I'm not saying you aren't having an issue, but please don't say that there is no population when that isn't true for everyone.
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just to point out /who doesn't work right.  It might only show you people in your instance of the area.
 
Sometimes /who will returns less people than in my circle.  	
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well if you are looking for options you have a couple currently available
 
1. make characters on another server. you said you dont want to do that.
2. pay for a server transfer. you have said you dont want to do that
3. wait for a free transfer or server merge (not currently available so not really an option)
4. complain about it on the forums in a new thread instead of many existing ones in the hopes that...well.. an act of the gods happen I guess, so... done. (by the way, more people posting in an existing thread would be seen better than lets say a bunch of couple reply threads that get locked)
5. quit if you arent happy because Carbine isnt listening to you
 
really, your best option at present would be option 1.
 
I am guessing Contagion is a pvp server... as it always seems to be pvp servers....
 
and a second guess...you are dominion?
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			I just hope that enough people create threads about this topic over and over until they listen. Players need to keep saying it until it literally fills the pages of every sub-forum here and the mods don't know how to keep up with the hate. It's the only damn way they'll listen.	
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just to point out /who doesn't work right.  It might only show you people in your instance of the area.
 
Sometimes /who will returns less people than in my circle.  
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I just hope that enough people create threads about this topic over and over until they listen. Players need to keep saying it until it literally fills the pages of every sub-forum here and the mods don't know how to keep up with the hate. It's the only damn way they'll listen.
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You know...if even the most zealous defender of the game thinks that carbine caring about its players and listening to them would be an ACT OF GOD, I'm pretty sure that's a huge red flag.
 
Yep. Pretty *cupcake* sure.
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That's silly... If I had half the honest communication and effort from the devs in FFXI or SWTOR that I've had in Wildstar I would probably still be playing them...
 
At this point in time, every /bug I've reported has been fixed (most being quest / item related), and the devs have been pretty honest and forthright. Jtal especially has been very upfront about itemization.... 
 
I never ever felt like the MMO's I played were anything besides what the devs made with no communication, period. Nothing I ever suggested and bugs I reported in XI never got fixed / implemented. SWTOR has been it's own special cupcake shoot. If the actually good and reasonable efforts made by the devs in this game amount to not existing sans an act of god, sounds like yall need a new god..
 
I suggest Cthullu personally...
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Wow still going on about Spin?
 
I didn't play Rifts, or Eve.  Since both weren't my type of games, but I have tried SWG.    I don't recall SWG developer being anything special.
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Wow still going on about Spin?
 
I didn't play Rifts, or Eve.  Since both weren't my type of games, but I have tried SWG.    I don't recall SWG developer being anything special.
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If your only experience in MMOs is FFXI and TORtanic, it's no wonder you think carbine is leaps and bounds ahead of others. Try EVE, Rift, go back in time for Warhammer Online, same for SWG. If you want great dev relations from any genre of game, try AI War, Arcen are cool guys who don't do this PR spin shit carbine is relying on.
 
Jtal has been upfront about the itemization being shit. I guess that's a cool thing to admit after you release a game that was worked on for 9 years, but hey. Some people set the bar low.
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It isn't, I've played EVE, Ultima, WAR, WoW, EQ & EQ2, FFXIV, RO, Aion, Terra, Rift, AO, DAoC, and SWG for 3 days.
 
I used those two as examples because they were the worst in feedback and communication from devs in my memory; but I don't recall having any terribly decent dev interactions in any of the others either. 
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Then I guess you can add wildstar to that list, because this really hasn't been anything special either.
 
As much as it pains me to say it, the most dev interaction I've gotten was in Warframe (terrible game, don't play it). My clan was (and still is) the world leader for events and breaking things, and the lead designer joined our clan and chat for over a year, taking feedback and opinions on balance and features. Even though their devs are terrible and they have no idea what they're doing, that one guy made the effort to interact with us.
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Well we will have to agree to disagree. I am all for playing chatty cathy with a dev; and the W* devs do come on and do that. But when I think of good dev - community interaction I think of the devs responding to my feedback on bugs/ game issues. And frankly W* is the only game where my bug reports have actually been addressed. And as much as the flamers hate to admit it; most of what is being complained about now is what was called for on these self-same forums a month ago. The Dungeon loot / medal updates, the server increase, these were all things the forum community cried for and got... WAR was the only other game that attempted the same magnitude of community involvement, and they did alright until they couldn't renew their license with GW. 
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Then I guess you can add wildstar to that list, because this really hasn't been anything special either.
 
As much as it pains me to say it, the most dev interaction I've gotten was in Warframe (terrible game, don't play it). My clan was (and still is) the world leader for events and breaking things, and the lead designer joined our clan and chat for over a year, taking feedback and opinions on balance and features. Even though their devs are terrible and they have no idea what they're doing, that one guy made the effort to interact with us.
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I don't consider Wildstar Developer all that much different than other developers in terms of communication.  
 
But it seems you are just so focused on painting everything negative to the point of being comical at times.
 
For your example of SWG, it never happened to me.  No developer ever came and watched my issue with the game.  So by that token I should say SWG developers are crap because I don't have positive experiences with them.
 
Which seems to be your logic.  Because you disagree with them, and you do not have personal contact with them, so they are bad.  Even though they are not all that different from other developers.
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You're on the cusp of it, you almost have it. I'll give you a shortcut.
 
It's almost like...people's attitudes...are affected by their perspectives...which are unique to them. Ergo, not everyone feels the same way or sees the same things.
 
You were close to saying something like this, but you stopped and inserted your own perspective instead of just saying what I just did.
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You're on the cusp of it, you almost have it. I'll give you a shortcut.
 
It's almost like...people's attitudes...are affected by their perspectives...which are unique to them. Ergo, not everyone feels the same way or sees the same things.
 
You were close to saying something like this, but you stopped and inserted your own perspective instead of just saying what I just did.
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Kara made a pretty good point. Ones ignorance does not equate with objective reality. Stick your head in the sand and you can pretend the whole world is dark and grainy... but that doesn't make it so.
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Kara made a pretty good point. Ones ignorance does not equate with objective reality. Stick your head in the sand and you can pretend the whole world is dark and grainy... but that doesn't make it so.
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You mean like the people saying the game is fine?
 
Do ho ho.
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Fine is a relative term; compared to WAR, W* is doing absolutely fine...
 
Granted that's clearly pedantic; but compared to anyother MMO I've played at launch, W* is indeed fine  IMO.
 
Now that's not to say it's perfect by any means; but the amount of bugs is quite reasonable when I think of games like XI, EQ, WoW, WAR, and TOR at launch. The Balance issues are no different than any other MMO, and honestly they are even a little better than TOR's IMO. Either way, they are no different from any other MMO. The combat is fun, the housing system, and range of PvP is impressive for a new game....
 
The raids are hard; the atunement is tricky, and there is lots of other content for less hardcore players (shiphands, expeditions, adventures, plots, challenges, crafting, etc)
 
 
The problem with most folks is they have very unrealistic expectations / short attention spans and quickly forget the state of MMO's today, and build idealized effigies of what a game is or should be, rather than enjoying it for what it is. 
 
 
TLDR: of course W* has problems, all games do. But compared to other MMO's and given it's niche design and low budget it is doing fine. Not perfect, not stupendous, but fine. 
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Given the amount of hype sold by carbine, the time invested, visible potential in beta, and the promises made, I had really expected more than middle-of-the-road mediocrity as a result. That may be "fine" for you though. Being better than TOR is like saying ONLY the engine of your car is on fire - at least the power windows are still working.
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Thats a terrible analogy. A better one would be:
 
I thought I was getting a Lotus for my birthday, but I got a Lamborghini instead.
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We can't judge a server population only by low medium and high. Thunderfoot is a pretty good exemple of this. There is plenty of people everywhere on the Exile side and i still get low when looking at server status. i would put it medium judging by that. But if i go on the Dominion side i would change low by empty. I strongly suggest for everyone to visit the server before paying for a transfer. That would be the wise thing to do.
 
For OP i would reroll but i understand what you are saying. I really hope Carbine will do something about ghost servers soon. 	
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Hey Everyone - 
 
Please remember to keep all commentary on topic. We hate to have to close and otherwise enlightening conversation simply because a few forum-goers derail the thread. 
 
Thanks,
Team WildStar	
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Gotta love the fanbois on here. Just spend another bunch more time only to get similar characters on another server losing any Boombox items obtained and starting from scratch. The funny thing is the free server transfers to Rowsdower have mostly ended their sub and that server is one of the dead ones. The game needs to merge servers already before they lose more people on these dead servers. Holding players hostage behind a $20 paywall for a situation they created is not cool. It only creates less subscriptions and the playerbase shrinks, which hurts us all.
 
They created an excess of servers due to the massive influx of players. Most of those players are gone and it's time to shrink back down to 2-3 servers for both PvP and PvE. Only 3-4 servers go over low during peak hours and that will probably change to only Pergo and Stormtalon in the future as everyone is settling there. If they let the other servers die completely due to ignoring mergers, It will only hurt their bottomline more then losing the 3/10 server charge they would lose. It's a very basic math problem and they are adding it up wrong.
 
TL;DR: At first they had too few servers and they had massive ques, then they created an excess of servers to compensate, and now all but a few are dead, time to merge or lose all players not on Stormtalon or Pergo.
 
 
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I'm on Orias, one of the 'low' pop servers. During peak hours I always see plenty of people on. They usually aren't spamming /z chat, but they are doing stuff with guildies, running dailies, playing around in plots, etc.
 
What server are you on? and Are you sure it's really dead or that you simply are ignoring everyone around you doing their own thing?
 
Remember, the server pop ratings (low, medium, high) are MUCH larger than in other games. Low is= medium on wow, and medium = high, etc
 
And the place i tend to see the most folks, is actually when I am running around the public plots... not in the cities.. could be a factor.
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