108681-a-plea-from-a-player-on-rowsdower

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Hi everyone, I'm a long time MMO player and longer-time gamer.  As some of you may already know, wildstar has some realms experiencing population problems.  Rowsdower has been a good example of a realm with low population. Low server population is a serious problem in MMOs.  Rowsdowers population is now worse than anything I have ever seen on an MMO server.
 
 I play exile on Rowsdower side and haven't paid for a month of subscription yet (CREDD).  Two weeks ago you would not see any more than 3 people at the auction house outside of 6-9 server time (where you would still probably only see 10-15 people).  This was an issue... Last week we had a very large pvp guild transfer to Pergo.  This was devastating to the economy and community.  It depressed people and a lot of people started transferring.  This past Saturday at 7:00 PST the /who showed 13 people not in <Death and Taxes> at level 50...  Yesterday <Death and Taxes> left the server as well.  I cannot blame them, as requiring 40 people on at a time requires a guild to have a healthy roster, and with the amount of people on Rowsdower, there is just nobody to recruit, especially nobody capable of raiding at the level of DnT.  As I type this there are 4 level 50s online according to the buggy and not reputable /who.  My friends list has 80ish people on it, 2 of which have logged in the past week.  
 
The server is not dying, it is dead.  Carbine has the ability to grant free realm transfers but refuses because Rowsdower is making them money with server transfers.  This is gross.  There is no longer a community on Rowsdower, the economy is gone, and there are never 40 level 50s online, so even if the entire server was in one guild, we will never have access to datascape, let alone 20 good players online at once for GA. (we have two guilds who are 1/6 GA, which I have heard has been pugged on pergo).
 
I'm not asking for free transfers to pergo, the promised land.  But I am asking for a solution for the few players left on Rowsdower.  If you haven't been to Rowsdower, I highly suggest you pay a visit to Thayd here sometime to better understand my problem.	
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 Carbine has the ability to grant free realm transfers but refuses because Rowsdower is making them money with server transfers.  This is gross.  
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			Isn't NCSoft calling the shot anyway?	
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I don't think this is even close to the reason they haven't opened up realm transfers - I think they're still trying to find the best solution to the dying server population problem.
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			Why would you pick a server that had max 'medium' when the game came out. Of course it was gonna die, you shouldve just dealt with the ques. Ya I did notice a lot of ppl from "death and taxes" that I never saw before. Funny that everyones transferring here, they probably made a fortune on server transfers already. No reason not to milk it a little longer imo.	
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why would you pick a server that had max 'medium' when the game came out. Of course it was gonna die, you shouldve just dealt with the ques.
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			Hey Tethers, I will miss doing BGs with you on Rowsdower, however, as you've already stated the realm is dead. DnT's transfer (back) to Pergo was in the best interest of advancing the guild, something that is unfortunately no longer possible on Rowsdower. I wish as well that Carbine would be more open and transparent about their efforts to resolve issues like these, especially since despite being a company, I'd hope they wouldn't be as cruel as to force people off of realms just to rack in server transfer funds. This is all speculation ofc but hopefully some word is given to the general public in a timely manner, before the population literally hits 0. Cheers.	
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 Your lack of empathy is astounding. 
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 I also play Dominion Pergo on my level 50 "alt", so I can't play exile there. . 
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 I also play Dominion Pergo on my level 50 "alt", so I can't play exile there.
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Yeah, expect a lot of sentiments from people like that. Feel free to ignore them.
 
Regardless, I feel your pain. While my server is doing just fine, I am really sorry to see "the leftover players" on those servers left in the lurch.
 
I am sure the $$$ being made from paid transfers is super and all - but holy crap, Carbine. You people can't honestly expect every remaining player on these servers to drop a hundred bucks to transfer off, can you? That doesn't seem just a little bit messed up to you?
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 I also play Dominion Pergo on my level 50 "alt", so I can't play exile there....
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I have both exile and dominion charectors on Pergo, Why cant you make an exile there?
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			There's too much faction imbalance across all servers. If they combined Pago-Warbringer-Bloodsworn-Rowsdower, Ilium will still be sad.	
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I do agree with the fact that they are looking for a better solution to DYING realms.  Rowsdower is no longer dying, it is dead.  The point of this is specifically to help people on rowsdower.  The realm is no longer alive.
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			I sympathize with you, but if you think that's a dead server, go check EU-Archon.	
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 No reason not to milk it a little longer imo.
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Yeah no reason at all except the no doubt numerous people who are leaving the game for good instead of paying up to $100 for all their alts. No reason at all. Great business.  :rolleyes:
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Exactly.
 
I make plenty of money. If Evindra turned into a ghost town in the next two weeks, I'd just quit. Period. There is no way I'd pay $60 to transfer my "important" toons somewhere else - or even $20 to move Tex. I'd expect my wife would follow suit.
 
While I agree that the players more or less brought this on themselves for screaming so loudly during launch week, those extra servers should have NEVER been opened. They should have made "over-flow servers" like GW2 does ... or even Temporary Servers that start out as being flagged for merging at a later time.
 
As it stands now, however, this mess is now Carbine's issue to solve, regardless of who's fault it was.
 
And honestly, waiting to milk $20 out of every remaining player is going to be a quick route to losing even more folks.
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Luckily, Evindra was pretty well packed last night! :D
 
We chose wisely.
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Why is the RP server (Land of Casual Scum) doing better than the high-and-mighty PVP servers? That's just bass-ackwards from how it's *supposed* to be, ain't it?
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Yeah no reason at all except the no doubt numerous people who are leaving the game for good instead of paying up to $100 for all their alts. No reason at all. Great business.  :rolleyes:
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 Don't be a chump and buy them, you vote with your dollar and when you buy a transfer you're saying "Thanks for charging me 20$ to play the MMO as intended".
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			I play Dommie on Rowsdower and it's more lively in Illium than the description given above by the OP regarding Thayd. In saying that it's still lacking in population. I feel there are only 3 reputable guilds to choose from. I've also been thinking of a transfer myself because of this issue but somewhat reluctant to pay the fee not due to the cost but more because of the principal.	
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			I am also on Dominion Rowsdower. And while I always see people in Illium, there is that general feel of emptiness. I will hold off on xfering until my friend gets to 50 and we'll see if there's any change in regarding server population/migration/mergers/etc.	
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Yes, we did.
 
And, I have to admit, the Morning Coffee thread (and crew) are the most fantastic recruitment tool we on Evindra could have asked for.
 
Why is the RP server (Land of Casual Scum) doing better than the high-and-mighty PVP servers? That's just bass-ackwards from how it's *supposed* to be, ain't it?
 
Ain't this the uber-hardcore game for the uber-hardcore crowd only? Weird how all those other servers are dropping like flies, while super-laid-back Evindra flourishes!
 
No. It's not weird. It's not unexpected. We're friendly. We're welcoming. We don't mind newbies. We don't mind people learning the ropes. Hell, my entire guild is basically a "leveling guild" where people come to learn the game, make friends and then move on to endgame stuff that we can't help with. And you know what? That's fine with me.
 
I'll take 100,000 "causal bads" having fun RPing in Thayd than 40 hardcore uber-leets who treat this game like a job.
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Why would you pick a server that had max 'medium' when the game came out. Of course it was gonna die, you shouldve just dealt with the ques. Ya I did notice a lot of ppl from "death and taxes" that I never saw before. Funny that everyones transferring here, they probably made a fortune on server transfers already. No reason not to milk it a little longer imo.
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I went through this with Warhammer Online. Bite the bullet and reroll.
 
By the time they pull their heads out of their rear and do something, you will be back to 50.	
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I'm not gonna lie, I'm probably part of the problem. I had to take an extended break from playing Wildstar because of school, and now that I'm on break and have the time. I'm back to playing, because I've never played an MMO with this much draw and charm, but the server does feel very empty and I really wouldn't mind a merge. I think at the time it was made, they were hopeful that the population an all servers would stay relatively the same, and it clearly didn't. Although, it seems to me that there are plenty of people playing, it just hasn't stayed, how you might say, viral. Honestly, I'm going to just start and level another character until they either merge, or I have enough extra cash to drop on a transfer.(Twenty dollars is a bit much.)
 
Also, the biggest reason I started to play Rowsdower is because I'm a big fan of MST3K, and I love the "The Final Sacrifice" Episode. It'd be a damn shame to lose that name.	
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Honestly, I'm going to just start and level another character ...
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			The guy's right. You want to join the server with a queue. They always last the longest, the first to die are the spin-off servers that the impatient demand.	
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			I have to agree. I fortunately didn't transfer, but I was very close when we had several hour wait times. I do hope that their is a proper resolution to this soon.	
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I've been telling folks that since two weeks after launch.
 
This is a game intended to be played for YEARS? Two months is a drop in the bucket. Reroll now (EVINDRA!!!!!!) and find a new home now, before you are REALLY invested in a server that's doomed.
 
Heck, even the hardi-hardcores who got Attuned in three weeks could do it all over again and not be out a thing. But OOOOOH NOOOOOO. Better to keep making noise in a vacuum or just quit.
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I went through this with Warhammer Online. Bite the bullet and reroll.
 
By the time they pull their heads out of their rear and do something, you will be back to 50.
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Yep blame the players for carbines mess up. 
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Chua like to point out was all players screaming murder for being in queue and wanting more servers.
Carbine caved in and game more servers, resulting in dead servers now.
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Then you just have to stick it out a bit more.
 
NCSoft just reported earnings, contrary to what some believe, Wildstar had a less than stellar release. Change is now in the air.	
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Hi everyone, I'm a long time MMO player and longer-time gamer.  As some of you may already know, wildstar has some realms experiencing population problems.  Rowsdower has been a good example of a realm with low population. Low server population is a serious problem in MMOs.  Rowsdowers population is now worse than anything I have ever seen on an MMO server.
 
 I play exile on Rowsdower side and haven't paid for a month of subscription yet (CREDD).  Two weeks ago you would not see any more than 3 people at the auction house outside of 6-9 server time (where you would still probably only see 10-15 people).  This was an issue... Last week we had a very large pvp guild transfer to Pergo.  This was devastating to the economy and community.  It depressed people and a lot of people started transferring.  This past Saturday at 7:00 PST the /who showed 13 people not in <Death and Taxes> at level 50...  Yesterday <Death and Taxes> left the server as well.  I cannot blame them, as requiring 40 people on at a time requires a guild to have a healthy roster, and with the amount of people on Rowsdower, there is just nobody to recruit, especially nobody capable of raiding at the level of DnT.  As I type this there are 4 level 50s online according to the buggy and not reputable /who.  My friends list has 80ish people on it, 2 of which have logged in the past week.  
 
The server is not dying, it is dead.  Carbine has the ability to grant free realm transfers but refuses because Rowsdower is making them money with server transfers.  This is gross.  There is no longer a community on Rowsdower, the economy is gone, and there are never 40 level 50s online, so even if the entire server was in one guild, we will never have access to datascape, let alone 20 good players online at once for GA. (we have two guilds who are 1/6 GA, which I have heard has been pugged on pergo).
 
I'm not asking for free transfers to pergo, the promised land.  But I am asking for a solution for the few players left on Rowsdower.  If you haven't been to Rowsdower, I highly suggest you pay a visit to Thayd here sometime to better understand my problem.
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Actually the players generally screamed for any kind of queue relief, not specifically new servers.
 
I won't say the players are 100% blameless, but this is still mostly Carbine's mess.
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Actually the players generally screamed for any kind of queue relief, not specifically new servers.
Carbine just said that new servers were the fasted/easiest solution.
When they should have either gauged launch demand more accurately or implemented a superior system like overflow servers or somehow patched in better server capacity for the existing servers (hell if I know how, I'm not a coder).
The solution they chose was a quick and dirty fix that has horribly (yet predictably) backfired.
 
Also, from what I remember, there was a bug that glitched out queues, causing waiting times much longer than under normal circumstances.
 
I won't say the players are 100% blameless, but this is still mostly Carbine's mess.
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- So you couldn't handle queues of a high pop server
- So you yelled for Carbine to release Rowsdower
- Carbine releases Rowsdower and you get a free transfer to it
- 3 months later, you yell for Carbine to give you a transfer off it.
 
How bout rather then continue to give you free stuff, to which you are never happy, they allow me, an exile, to race change to dominion so that I pay for a service which also helps balance the server pops
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Actually the players generally screamed for any kind of queue relief, not specifically new servers.
Carbine just said that new servers were the fasted/easiest solution.
When they should have either gauged launch demand more accurately or implemented a superior system like overflow servers or somehow patched in better server capacity for the existing servers (hell if I know how, I'm not a coder).
The solution they chose was a quick and dirty fix that has horribly (yet predictably) backfired.
 
Also, from what I remember, there was a bug that glitched out queues, causing waiting times much longer than under normal circumstances.
 
I won't say the players are 100% blameless, but this is still mostly Carbine's mess.
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Hmm what did you expect Carbine to come up with? Were you willing to wait for them to reorganize their entire infrastructure to allow for a mega server?  No, you demanded new servers and free transfers off. I was happy waiting in Queue cause I knew high pop servers are worth it
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- So you couldn't handle queues of a high pop server
- So you yelled for Carbine to release Rowsdower
- Carbine releases Rowsdower and you get a free transfer to it
- 3 months later, you yell for Carbine to give you a transfer off it.
 
How bout rather then continue to give you free stuff, to which you are never happy, they allow me, an exile, to race change to dominion so that I pay for a service which also helps balance the server pops
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Chua like to point out was all players screaming murder for being in queue and wanting more servers.
Carbine caved in and game more servers, resulting in dead servers now.
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			A small portion of these responses are depressing.  It only seems to be people who haven't had to deal with low server problems are the ones who are against any change for this.  (Pergo and Evindra players). The problem with that, is that the majority of players aren't having this problem anymore.	
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A kid is screaming at his parent's because they want ice cream. What to do?
 
Sorry this one is on Carbine.
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Educate Kid
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Hmm what did you expect Carbine to come up with? Were you willing to wait for them to reorganize their entire infrastructure to allow for a mega server?  No, you demanded new servers and free transfers off. I was happy waiting in Queue cause I knew high pop servers are worth it
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Educate Kid
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3) Stop acting as if free transfers are a big deal. They're not, unless the infrastructure is coded in such an idiotic way that it causes extra work. GW2 had free transfers for ages and they were instantaneous (with a 1x daily cooldown). I actually transferred back and forth just to get some easy achievements several times. It was that simple. Nono, unless the server/character database is some kind of gordian knot, refusing to allow free transfers is a 100% cash grab.
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They already gave free transfers, so they have the technology.
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Oh, it's more than that.  I've been in people's self-made "bars" in their housing plots and seen 50-100 people.  I ran into a guild RP event in Illium that had probabl 10-20 people in the central garden.  If I ask a question, I ask in /zone, not /advice, because I know people will not just answer me in /zone, but they'll drop by and help if I have trouble.  And lately, of course, I've been helping the people asking for help in /zone.  I can start talking in any leveling zone and get responses.  I ran through both exiles and dominion last night in Wilderrun leveling, probably 20 or so over those couple hours, without even trying to look for anyone.  I can start randomly RPing in the middle of leveling, and people will stop to RP back.
 
We aren't doing great just because of our playstyles.  We do great because we all know how to take a break and enjoy the game.  There's nothing hardcore about sitting in a queue for a PUG in your house, not talking or talking only to the 2-3 people online in your guild, even if you do it 50 hours a week.  Nothing hardcore about raiding 4-5 nights a week when you burn out after a month.
 
In the NA landscape, Evindra is New York, a varied, vibrant, gorgeous place full of interesting things and interesting places to go.  People that aren't just playing in the same principality, we're a server that built and maintains our own community.
 
I think that makes Stormtalon a bit like Los Angeles, because they're glitzy and high class, but there's not as many interesting things going on for your regular guy.  And that makes Pergo like Detroit, because they're shooting each other all to Hell out there.  And everywhere else is like Sandusky.  They live in proximity to a theme park, but they get jaded, don't want to do anything but ride the roller coasters when they can be bothered to go, and they don't have anything else to do.  They just sit on their own properties, never talking to anyone else, wondering why nobody comes to visit.
 
Evindra is awesome. :)
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You ever been to New York? Those people are nasty. Evindra is more like... Denver. Tons of fun and no one really realizes it until you actually go there.
Also, Consider the server transfer fees pay back for Carbine having to buy more servers than they needed.
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Definitely not Denver, Denver's not as well populated.  I'd say Pittsburgh if I wanted to send people places that are more fun than you'd think they are, but Evindra is the most populous realm in NA, at least, if I understand correctly.  And we're the ones putting together crazy shit like race tracks, skate parks, bars, and the like.
 
Maybe like having Denver's people move to New York?  Does that make it more like Chicago or Philly?
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Not enough people trying to kill each other to be Chicago and I don't know much about Philly or Pittsburgh. How about Austin?
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Chua like to point out was all players screaming murder for being in queue and wanting more servers.
Carbine caved in and game more servers, resulting in dead servers now.
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The population on servers are a direct result of the following
 
1. Summer
2. Game mechanics/systems discouraging logging in (PVE - attunement / PVP - Boosters)
Carbine has in the works a plan to fix number 2 and summer will end on its own.
 
Once the mechanics are fixed expect a ton of players to return.
 
How do I know this? Because there is no other MMO out there that compares. ESO is crap and WoW is too old. In fact, WoW lost 800,000 accounts over the last 3 months and continues to lose subs.
 
Stop getting all panicky and just relax yourself	
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Chua like to point out was all players screaming murder for being in queue and wanting more servers.
Carbine caved in and game more servers, resulting in dead servers now.
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			So im thinking of transferring to the RP server.  I saw the chart on how much plat can transfer with your character, but what about items in your inventory?  I understand that your bank and mail must be clear, but what about items in your personal inventory?  Anyone who has done this can answer?  Thanks!	
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So im thinking of transferring to the RP server.  I saw the chart on how much plat can transfer with your character, but what about items in your inventory?  I understand that your bank and mail must be clear, but what about items in your personal inventory?  Anyone who has done this can answer?  Thanks!
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			The Chua disappears when called out for being, well you know. Priceless.	
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The Chua disappears when called out for being, well you know. Priceless.
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Sorry what? Chua was asleep, since Chua live in EU.
Chua called out on what? Telling truth how community screamed for more servers and was given warnings would lead to other problems?
 
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/61796-there-are-too-many-servers-now-not-enough-population
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/62588-can-you-guys-make-another-pvp-server-so-rowsdower-doesnt-get-overpopulated
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/60690-tired-of-seeing-complaints-about-being-in-a-que/
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/60553-3h30min-queue-crash-on-character-screen-2300-queue-again
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/59719-half-of-these-servers-will-be-empty-in-a-month
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/59545-not-que-times-but-sever-capacity
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/59318-more-serversfps-fixes-on-live-day
Many times was said what would happen if more servers were added, but rage back then was worse then now.Also have if nothing to contribute to topic, please refrain from personal attacks, Chua give 0 cupcakes about such opinions.
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Well little RoRo, now you can plan properly. If your new shiny MMO has servers, *cough* ArcheAge*cough*, chose the one with the longest queue and wait it out. They ALWAYS disappear.
 
Individual servers foster an actual community versus the megadreck tech of ESO. Witness Evirinda.	
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Hi Folks,
 
I know population is a hot topic, and we have quite a few threads on this already. I'm going to lock this topic and request you guys keep the conversation going over at this one here, it's a generic thread on server populations instead of Rowsdower specific. I know this one has a few more replies, but the other one invites more discussion. We would kindly ask not to create duplicate topics, as it's much easier to reference things if we can keep all the information in one spot. 
 
Thank you :) 
- Team WildStar 	
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