109178-supernova-white-41-platinum

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			Accepting donations so I can be bright and white.	
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			Too bad you can't start up a service... charge people a fee to dye their gear.	
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Try a kickstarter maybe?
 
If someone can get money for making potato salad sure some will donate for dyeing virtual armor...	
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			 41 platinum... wow.. good thing i wrote off the dye system in this game as a total fail.	
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			Never seen one on my server ^^	
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Outrageous. I'd like to take a look at the algorithms they use to determine dye prices. I just can't bring myself to think that that price is correct.
 
 
#hardcore.	
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			A few days ago I sold an amp upgrade for 35 platinum, nice to know it doesn't even cover dyeing in this game...	
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Too bad you can't start up a service... charge people a fee to dye their gear.
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			Maybe 41p to purchase, but due to it's rarity it'll probably be like another 36p to dye your armor with it.	
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			So you save for 41 days doing dailies and harvesting/crafting with a goal of 1plat per day. Pretty easy. Everyone doesn't have to have everything "now" which is the root of what is wrong with how these games are designed.	
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So you save for 41 days doing dailies and harvesting/crafting with a goal of 1plat per day. Pretty easy. Everyone doesn't have to have everything "now" which is the root of what is wrong with how these games are designed.
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So you save for 41 days doing dailies and harvesting/crafting with a goal of 1plat per day. Pretty easy. Everyone doesn't have to have everything "now" which is the root of what is wrong with how these games are designed.
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Not sure if serious post but if serious....
 
 
Dude... it's white dye.
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So you save for 41 days doing dailies and harvesting/crafting with a goal of 1plat per day. Pretty easy. Everyone doesn't have to have everything "now" which is the root of what is wrong with how these games are designed.
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You are suggesting that using a dye should require more than a month worth of time before the player has a "right" to use it. And that's only the dye. Not considering gear, repair and housing costs. All things that are going to make them take even more time if they dare to get distracted and purchase other things. 41 days of doing only that before the player can be rewarded for playing the game diligently. 
 
HARDCORE, I guess?	
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If no one buys the dye at 41P, then the seller will have to sell it for less. Don't see a problem at all. 
 
On a related not, would the seller get the listing fee back if no one buys, or does he eat the fee?	
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If no one buys the dye at 41P, then the seller will have to sell it for less. Don't see a problem at all. 
 
On a related not, would the seller get the listing fee back if no one buys, or does he eat the fee?
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Stop engaging with him, really. It's not even really a source of argumentation, just arguments. Game is fine. All their decisions are right. Do not question Carbine. The optimal state of the game is a four hour raid twice a week and ten hours of daily grinding. As long as there are still 40 people who want to endure that, Wildstar is exactly where it needs to be.
 
HAAAAAARRRRRRRDCOOOORRRRRREEEEEEE!	
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So you save for 41 days doing dailies and harvesting/crafting with a goal of 1plat per day. Pretty easy. Everyone doesn't have to have everything "now" which is the root of what is wrong with how these games are designed.
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So, I assume you're nearing in on the 100p strain hoverboard?
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Have to say: Derp.
 
I thought this was common knowledge. The higher level & quality gear, the more expensive it is to dye it. This 41 plat is prolly to dye your entire full epics gear with all 2-3 slots with the supernova white. Using it on lvl 12 green will most likely result in a ~50g cost.
 
If you want to save money you can look up the same appearances with low level & low quality gear and dye that instead. You should be able to find all appearances other than raid gear and even in those skip some of the dye slots (many of them are tiny ones) to save a big penny.
 
It's still going to be a lot of money, possibly a bit too much. Manageable if you stop raging for 10s and learn how the system works.	
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So you save for 41 days doing dailies and harvesting/crafting with a goal of 1plat per day. Pretty easy. Everyone doesn't have to have everything "now" which is the root of what is wrong with how these games are designed.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the OP is dyeing their actual gear.  Dye cost is based on the dye and the quality of the item being dyed.
 
Use a white quality costume and you'll probably cut the cost by 90%.	
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I thought this was common knowledge.
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So you save for 41 days doing dailies and harvesting/crafting with a goal of 1plat per day. Pretty easy. Everyone doesn't have to have everything "now" which is the root of what is wrong with how these games are designed.
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Oh apologies posted this and didn't really expect many replies. yes 41 platinum is the cost to dye all of my level 50 gear this color. I do think it is rather silly for the cost to be this high. It is already extremely random to just get it but I just threw on my highway man costume and it was 18g to dye it all. Honestly even that price for the costume was surprising. Now I am just looking for a nice hat though to be super bright and pretty as my explorers wool cap is a bit dull.
 
Edit- for anyone wondering it was out of the purple pristine dye bags that drop in dungeons(maybe other places as well?). The dye itself was soul bound so it is not possible to purchase this it can only be obtained from a drop.	
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Hmmm...I might would sell it for 41 Plat if I ever landed it. But I was originally thinking 75. Meh, doesn't really matter. I probably won't ever see it drop :P.
 
EDIT: I see now looking closer this is a dye cost type thread...yeah that is a bit bonkers in cost. Wow.	
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So, I assume you're nearing in on the 100p strain hoverboard?
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Certain things are placed there just to sink the gold from the players with the most time. I'm not sure how long your playing sessions have to be to make more than 1 platinum a day, but it likely involves a crapton of grinding after you cap the Elder Gems (or selling very expensive things in the Auction house if you are blessed by the RNGods.). Or selling CREDD.
 
Oh, but I guess that if one person is fine with these prices then everyone else must be fine with it, too. Because we are all clones of that person. Or we should! HARDCORE!	
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Certain things are placed there just to sink the gold from the players with the most time. I'm not sure how long your playing sessions have to be to make more than 1 platinum a day, but it likely involves a crapton of grinding after you cap the Elder Gems (or selling very expensive things in the Auction house if you are blessed by the RNGods.). Or selling CREDD.
 
Oh, but I guess that if one person is fine with these prices then everyone else must be fine with it, too. Because we are all clones of that person. Or we should! HARDCORE!
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i finaly got to dye my gear the color i wanted
 
what did it take?
 
well i got hacked and my char was used for boting and i loged on and changed my password while he was in middle of it and i gained more ore then the exchange and 45 plat.
 
sucks the only way to dye my gear was to get hacked but hell im a fantastic pink color now	
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			This is just retarded...	
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 41 platinum... wow.. good thing i wrote off the dye system in this game as a total fail.
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Well people will only charge what they think someone will buy for lol. 
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Certain things are placed there just to sink the gold from the players with the most time. I'm not sure how long your playing sessions have to be to make more than 1 platinum a day, but it likely involves a crapton of grinding after you cap the Elder Gems (or selling very expensive things in the Auction house if you are blessed by the RNGods.). Or selling CREDD.
 
Oh, but I guess that if one person is fine with these prices then everyone else must be fine with it, too. Because we are all clones of that person. Or we should! HARDCORE!
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Is anyone actually saving for that ugly thing?  I'd maybe buy it for 1 plat, not more.
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A month from now you will think 41 plat is nothing.
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			Yes, you can actually create a similar effect with a lesser white (and cheaper) dye. Of course of you want the utterly exclusive you will pay for it but as long as there are viable good alternatives I am happy about it. :)	
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With CREDD being a month's worth of gametime costing 5-11p, 41p will always be 'something'.
 
Because you will equate x item/dye to = y amount of months.
 
Would you dye your gear knowing the opportunity cost was 8 months of game time? Which is 8x15 = $120 real life dollars you could've saved by buying CREDD at 5p each. (formula changes as CREDD prices change, but is that dye worth x months of game time is the question we'll have to ask ourselves everytime.)
 
Most people would answer No, the dye is not worth $120 dollars.
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Okay, so you're saying you should always spend plat on CREDD, simply because spending it on other things is losing potential game time.
Even if you have enough CREDD to stay subbed for over a year, you have to keep spending plat on CREDD?
 
No. 
At some point you've saved up enough CREDD, but the plat is still piling up, and you're looking for new things to spend it on.
 
That's why there are people with strain hoverboards, riding skill T3, and supernova white dye. Because making plat is hilariously easy and there's nothing to spend it on except CREDD, which is too cheap.
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No no no.
 
Not that you should -always- buy CREDD with plat, just that because you can, you can ALWAYS refer it back to understand it's -real life dollar value-.
 
As such 41p on x or y wouldn't make a difference, but once you realise its 8 months game time, which is $120 dollars, it brings it home to you and you start re-valuing what is worth it or not.
 
Which points out how rediculously overpriced the dye system is currently.
 
(it would be different if you spent 40p total and unlocked all the dyes to constantly re-use on anything you wanted everytime, but a 1 time shot on 1 set of armour that goes away the moment you replace them, that's just wrong.)
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 Do you see people complain on a daily basis that yachts are too expensive?
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Strain Hoverboard ? I do. It is surely ugly
 
 
 
 
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You don't have to replace the armour, you can put it in one of your costume slots and have the supernova white look forever.
 
I get what you mean that 40 plat = 8 credd = 120$ (on my server it's only 3 credd but w/e), but that still does not change the fact that plat is really easy to get.
 
There are hundreds of cheap dyes out there, 2 dyes in particular are expensive (black hole and this one, probably some more), if you want to distinguish yourself from the other players you have to spend some plat to do so.
 
That's how the world works, not everyone can buy a yacht. Do you see people complain on a daily basis that yachts are too expensive?
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So there's some kind of roughly comparable engineering and materials costs going on here. Dyeing a full level 50 kit Supernova White should have an exorbitant cost outstripping several months of gameplay because... what? The art team will actually custom-design your armor for you? The stats will double or triple? You'll gain access to a new level of mount speed?
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All of these arguments are rather moot in my opinion.
The prices are obviously, obviously tailored to artificially create exclusivity.
 
Not everyone should be able to afford it. They want people to go "ohhh that guy must be rich" when they see someone in legendary all black/white/expensive color X gear.
This is also why you'll see the same people defend it who defend/advocate stuff like "only gold medal runs should count for attunement" or "the best PvPers should have gear that makes them even stronger (even if it stifles true competition)".
 
It's yet another layer of the game that allows them to feel "superior" at one aspect of it (making money in this case).
 
I think it's a ridiculous concept in a game that already has such an amount of exclusivity on pretty much everything, but it's working as (right now) intended.	
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At the exclusion of any and all other game content? You should probably go read up on diminishing marginal utility.
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Because you can distinguish yourself from the other players.
 
Why do millionaires buy Ferraris? Jezus christ this is not a new concept. There has to be some exclusive stuff to aim for in every game, otherwise everyone has everything after 1 month of playing and quits.
 
Besides if you don't see the value of the supernova white dye, why the hell are you complaining about its cost? You don't want the damned thing anyway.
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What are those 2 addons on your picture?
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High-grade engineering, unique models, customer care commensurate with the price tag. There are lots of cars for all sorts of people. Some are designed to a higher standard than others. For the things you would buy a Ferrari to do, not much will answer a Ferrari.
 
Honestly - tuck this useless deflection aside. You cannot compare physical objects made by different manufacturers for different reasons with each other in this context. Let me give you what's really happening.
 
There is a car lot that offers several models of cars. They are, while not identical, mechanically and luxuriously comparable within their models. They come in a variety of colors - white, black, red, a million shades of brown. They'd also be happy to paint it any of these colors, if you can find the swatch in their sample rack.
There is one white swatch in the entire store, and the black ones are hidden everywhere BUT the sample rack. If you manage to find one, they inform you there's a $20,000 surcharge to paint your car that color. You ask why. "Well, we don't want a lot of people driving white or black cars." Why does it matter to them? What about the white and black cars on the lot? They shrug, and ask for the cheque.
 
Does that really just seem like "the way things are"?
 
This is white dye. An absence of color. Bleaching.
 
And it costs $120 real dollars in a medium also obtainable through gameplay, selling cheating, or Head Start architect exploitation. There are white items already, and they're not hyper-rare.
 
I believe it has value as a costume element. I don't believe there's something so uniquely special about the shade that is white that it's going to make me think they're special. You don't earn Supernova White. You luck into it, and you spend a PvP booster's daily income on painting your stuff. I don't assume anything about people in black or white dye - lots of stuff comes those colors. I can't be arsed to memorize the entire gear library. If they did paint it, odds are that money wasn't all that legit anyway.
 
I'd like the option to use white in the costume and dyeing system they fell all over themselves to sell us without having to devote a few weeks of game time to dyeing everything and praying I never get a gear upgrade.
 
I understand that you don't see the slightest problem in artificial "exclusivity" that's purely based on luck and abuse of certain errors on Carbine's part, I just kinda had to... get that out there.
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With CREDD being a month's worth of gametime costing 5-11p, 41p will always be 'something'.
 
Because you will equate x item/dye to = y amount of months.
 
Would you dye your gear knowing the opportunity cost was 8 months of game time? Which is 8x15 = $120 real life dollars you could've saved by buying CREDD at 5p each. (formula changes as CREDD prices change, but is that dye worth x months of game time is the question we'll have to ask ourselves everytime.)
 
Most people would answer No, the dye is not worth $120 dollars.
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This, so much this.  Someone gets it!  Someone actually gets it.  My hero.
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CREDD does not determine the value of plat.
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CREDD does not determine the value of plat.
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No, the bean counters at Carbine do, by tinkering with the mudflation in the game.  Which guarantees that CREDD prices stay within a certain index, which is likely to remain considerably higher than what the majority are willing to buy into, i.e. Hell will freeze over before I spend six months worth of possible game subscription time on a SINGLE set of armor for a SINGLE character just to dye it pretty pink which will last all of a few months before new content is released and I have to repeat the whole process again.  In what world is that a tenable position for a game RMT mechanic to hold?  The game doesn't have enough of a carrot to hold the line on dye pricing, but the die has already been cast by Carbine and they are unlikely to back track on it at this point or any point in the future.    I could buy six months worth of game time cards in EVE Online, sell them, and all but by myself a veritable bonanza of battleships in the game that would take me another six months to destroy in the field.  Why would a 'reasonable' amount of people in Wildstar spend six months of game time again and again and again to simply dye armor that gets replaced every time new content releases?  They won't.
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You realize it's better for Carbine if CREDD prices are lower, yes?
 
You're not spending game subscription time at all... you're spending plat, very different.
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You realize it's better for Carbine if CREDD prices are lower, yes?
 
You're not spending game subscription time at all... you're spending plat, very different.
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Also, it's not different at all.  USD buys CREDD, CREDD sells for PLAT.  USD takes time/energy, PLAT takes time/energy.  It's a simple closed loop.
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So don't buy it.
 
It's *cupcake* fashion, if it wasn't expensive all you little sparkle ponies would be upset that everyone has it.	
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The logic displayed on these forums is astounding.
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Sure, I'll add in an image to help you understand:
 
 
You can go from USD -> CREDD and CREDD -> Plat, but never Plat -> USD
 
Hence there is no loop, just a path from USD to Plat (by transitivity)
 
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Sure, I'll add in an image to help you understand:
 
 
You can go from USD -> CREDD and CREDD -> Plat, but never Plat -> USD
 
Hence there is no loop, just a path from USD to Plat (by transitivity)
 
Class dismissed. Any questions?
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			Yes, that should've said "NO LEGAL WAY", apologies.	
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Yes, that should've said "NO LEGAL WAY", apologies.
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you guys want a unique feeling and a way to stand out? or you want everything for everybody?
 
if you are not happy with the game, then bugger off already.
 
if you take your time to visit every topic and question every aspect of WS and complain about established mmo concepts you can find in every other mmo, then you just have too much time at your hand.
maybe even actually enough time to just farm that plat.
 
getting 100p is pisseasy in wildstar, if you really go for it. compare the timesink needed to farm the reputation for a mount for a different race in classic wow. the timesink needed to get a netherdrake, the timesink needed to get that frostdrake in wotlk etc etc etc.
 
you dont want to take the time to be unique shiny white? paint a light gray. you dont want to farm for a unique strain hoverboard, get the reknown one and be like everyone else.
 
you dont want to take time to get unique things in mmos? go play ego shooters.	
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So you save for 41 days doing dailies and harvesting/crafting with a goal of 1plat per day. Pretty easy. Everyone doesn't have to have everything "now" which is the root of what is wrong with how these games are designed.
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Time/Energy closes the loop, I never said you could directly convert PLAT to USD, I just said they have the same source in a closed system.
 
Time/Energy --> USD --> CREDD <-- PLAT <-- Time/Energy
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......That's still no loop.
 
Loop (topology), a path that starts and ends at the same pointIf it were a loop, you would have a way of reaching USD from Plat, which I repeat, there is not (legally).
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You aren't the only one who makes moolah, Bucko.
 
I won't spend my hard earned cash for some dye or Credd, but I will spend my gaming time to earn (farm) plat to buy it.	
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Clearly, if anyone is okay with it, then everyone else should be okay with it, too.
 
 
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So don't buy it.
 
It's *cupcake* fashion, if it wasn't expensive all you little sparkle ponies would be upset that everyone has it.
 
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you guys want a unique feeling and a way to stand out? or you want everything for everybody?
 
if you are not happy with the game, then bugger off already.
 
if you take your time to visit every topic and question every aspect of WS and complain about established mmo concepts you can find in every other mmo, then you just have too much time at your hand.
maybe even actually enough time to just farm that plat.
 
getting 100p is pisseasy in wildstar, if you really go for it. compare the timesink needed to farm the reputation for a mount for a different race in classic wow. the timesink needed to get a netherdrake, the timesink needed to get that frostdrake in wotlk etc etc etc.
 
you dont want to take the time to be unique shiny white? paint a light gray. you dont want to farm for a unique strain hoverboard, get the reknown one and be like everyone else.
 
you dont want to take time to get unique things in mmos? go play ego shooters.
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Guild Wars 2 allows you to dye all gear with any color you have unlocked, for free, anytime you want, with any character. You know how many people have complained about that? Zero. 
Do you know how much these games were hurt by having a nice dye system that did not involve farming for gold everytime you wanted to change the color of your outfit? Not hurt at all.
 
Seriously, it's like some people think MMO customization should be like real life in the middle ages, when some colors were really hard to come by and were a sign of social status. And they want this to be so for no legitimate gameplay reason.
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The quest gold rewards only apply when you are EG capped, so on Tuesday and Wednesday you might make less than 1 plat, too bad :)
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GW2 had other rare items, how about those precursors?
 
Why shouldn't you have a goal to get a rare color combo? Scarcity creates demand. Being a "poper" in game and real life, I term you  a free rider. You want the benefits without the hard work.
 
I wanted a nice car, I worked harder. I wanted a big home, I worked harder. I did without. I saved. If I decided I want that dye, I wouldn't be posting on this forum, I would be working my ass off to achieve my goal.
 
If Bucko wants to spend his 20 bucks on plat to get his shiney right away, go ahead, I save mine for lap dances.	
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GW2 had other rare items, how about those precursors?
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So don't buy it.
 
It's *cupcake* fashion, if it wasn't expensive all you little sparkle ponies would be upset that everyone has it.
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GW2 had other rare items, how about those precursors?
 
Why shouldn't you have a goal to get a rare color combo? Scarcity creates demand. Being a "poper" in game and real life, I term you  a free rider. You want the benefits without the hard work.
 
I wanted a nice car, I worked harder. I wanted a big home, I worked harder. I did without. I saved. If I decided I want that dye, I wouldn't be posting on this forum, I would be working my ass off to achieve my goal.
 
If Bucko wants to spend his 20 bucks on plat to get his shiney right away, go ahead, I save mine for lap dances.
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GW2 had other rare items, how about those precursors?
 
Why shouldn't you have a goal to get a rare color combo? Scarcity creates demand. Being a "poper" in game and real life, I term you  a free rider. You want the benefits without the hard work.
 
I wanted a nice car, I worked harder. I wanted a big home, I worked harder. I did without. I saved. If I decided I want that dye, I wouldn't be posting on this forum, I would be working my ass off to achieve my goal.
 
If Bucko wants to spend his 20 bucks on plat to get his shiney right away, go ahead, I save mine for lap dances.
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And here's the thing. I really don't mind there being a charge for the dye system. Money sinks aren't inherently terrible. In GW2, I get free dyes but costumes require transmutation charges. CoH and CO I have to pay for my costume changes. Here, my costumes are free but, sure, I can pay a bit to change dyes. That's not the problem.
 
The problem is the excessive double-dipping involved in the rarer dyes. Dye changes should not be costing in over $100 in CREDD. The dye itself, sure. But dye changes? Dye changes should not be comparable to a CREDD expenditure at all, no.	
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