Report 287

Report #287
Skillset: Moon Skill: Succumb
 Org: Ebonguard Status: Rejected Dec 2009
Furies' Decision:
We will review at a later time.
Problem: Succumb & Aurawarp == Cannot cure Succumb. Problem in a nutshell.
More information: Aurawarp and Succumb are both Reishi cures. Aurawarp cannot
be cured while in the presence of the Healer who cast it, and aurawarp tries to
cure before Succumb. So, if you have both and eat reishi, nothing happens.
This is a problem because Succumb is an extremely powerful affliction that is
only balanced by being able to cure it (and only one person can cast it on you
at a time). Being completely unable to cure Succumb while in the presence of
the Healer is a serious issue.
Solution #1: Make Succumb cure before Aurawarp.
Player Comments:
---[Xenthos on 11/2 @ 22:33 writes]:
This was a subset of problem 137, but that problem was over-reaching and
sprawling and this one barely even merited a mention in the "problem" list. I'm
hoping that by singling it out it can get fixed.
---[Nienla on 11/2 @ 22:34 writes]:
Sounds fine.
---[Akui on 11/8 @ 15:25 writes]:
This skill just got swapped guilds. Nix on this for now. This sort of curing
problem was even more pronounced under incurable aeon from choke for a number of
years. There's no more reason to go after it now than there is for me to go
after lash, because it is stackable on a short eq in a org with more mana kills
than seren has. Flip-flopping guild skills is a pretty drastic alteration.
Enough so that I don't feel that all the elements in play can be properly
accounted for. We need to wait and see what *actually* happens with this change
before we climb under the hood to fix things.
---[Nienla on 11/8 @ 16:20 writes]:
No. This is still an issue. While the skill may have flipped, there is nothing
stopping a Healing Moondancer to forcing a Shadowdancer to choke them, aurawarp,
and then use Succumb. It's still an issue that needs resolving.
---[Xenthos on 11/9 @ 02:05 writes]:
Changing the skillset to Moon since it hopped, but still. The problem has
nothing at all to do with Choke, or Aeon. It has to do with succumb being able
to be made incureable.
---[Romero on 11/12 @ 07:44 writes]:
I actually agree with Akui. Being one of the people to be avid supporter of
nerfing this combination in the past, I find it humorous that its asked to be
changed in anticipation of the switch and after it. Moondancers do have multiple
skills that delay a target's ability to escape the room (choke, rigormortis fae
which requires tumble to be easily chased), instead it is much easier to escape
an aurawarp/succumb without choke. I say keep it, at least lets see how balanced
it is without choke.
---[Xenthos on 11/12 @ 22:42 writes]:
It was on my list to change before the "change was anticipated". Also, since
there are no reports in November, you have your time to see how it goes.
However, it is my opinion that succumb is too powerful to be made incureable
simply by being in the presence of the caster, whether it's a Shadowdancer or a
Moondancer.
---[Nienla on 11/13 @ 06:06 writes]:
Actually, Romero. Allow me to set your facts straight. It's been agreed by a
number of Glomdoring envoys, including myself, that the combination was
overpowered even before the proposed switch of Succumb/Lash. It needs changed
regardless of who possesses the skill
---[Yukio on 12/15 @ 07:33 writes]:
Fix!
---[Ceren on 12/23 @ 15:10 writes]:
I'm having trouble seeing this in terms of moondancers/shadowdancers. If an
effect can't be cured, why should it shove its ugly, overpowered self in place
of other afflictions being cured with that herb? -If- you are in the same room
as the healer (and thus, aurawarp is incurable), aurawarp should be the dead
last priority on reishi.
---[Ceren on 12/23 @ 15:10 writes]:
And focus spirit
---[Akui on 12/24 @ 00:21 writes]:
Fair enough Ceren. I'd be lying if I said that the timing of this didn't bother
me, and I'm not one for coincidence. A turd that was sat on for years only to
be removed when the people concealing it lost the thing is none the less a turd.
I'll support this on qualitative grounds, but regardless of reassurances, it
inherently reeks of unappealing behavior.
---[Xenthos on 12/25 @ 22:53 writes]:
Which is why it went onto my list for fixing anyways. And why this report was
put up even before it was announced that succumb was actually switching (there
were no details on what was changing at that point when I started this report).
It had been discussed for a couple of weeks beforehand with Gloms in terms of
figuring out exactly where the issue was so I could make the report, before the
comment even came up in streamlining, so I really don't get what you're going on
about here, Akui. There was no sitting on it, last month was the first month I
had a free slot to gather the relevant information & address it, and thus I did.
I don't care what skillset it's in, it's an issue, as Ceren says. You can try
to accuse of some hidden agenda if you want, but really. What's the point?
I've no reason to lie and pretend it wasn't something I was already working on,
and plenty heard me discussing it, so. Heh.
---[Krellan on 12/26 @ 20:23 writes]:
Agree with Ceren. Objectively, this is needed regardless of timing.