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First: The Torine were unwilling to let go of their sacred sites... that's how negotiations went, and instead of honouring that the Exiles killed them and took the sites by force.
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Warning this may be TL:DR so..yea
 
Spider Bro Jenkins mentioned that, in the game, the exiles were never given a join or die choice.   I thought that part happened hundreds of years prior to the finding of Nexus.  The Exiles had already been established and the Dominion was doing their Dominion thing.
 
However, I don't know if its the same for the Exile story, but the Dominion tried that very approach with this bird culture, who I swear all look like henchmen from Battle of the Planets.  I loved this situation because you had two cultures that were identically fixated on their own superiority.  No good would have come from it and after the Cassian and Mechari went their round and failed, the Draken stepped in, very eagerly.  This also showed that the Doninion are not -evil bad- just the more powerful dominate faction.  Those bird guys, clearly thinking the same thing, "We're better than you, how dare you impose your standards on us."  No real diplomacy, just two prideful factions showing their stuff.
 
Bytek is hitting on what, I suspect, others are hoping for.  A third faction or additional races to get into the fray.  As much as I think the LOPP will be the shiny destruction of the universe, I see them being just exactly as they are.  shiny loving bunnies who just poke things.   There was that Lopp on the Ekose tradeship though. Ah leave the Lopp be.   Freebots on the other hand, may be something to see.   I'm sure the Mechari would see them as afront rather than a kindred race.  Also Bytek sees what I see in terms of hypocrisy on the part of the Exiles.  We do what we do for the good of whole, regardless of the dead bodies along the way, we're right.  Stick a Dominon flag on their plows and I wouldn't see any difference.  But yes, Freebots have a lot going for them.
 
I think at this point I reflected on any other games I've played where I fought with the -bad guys- but normally took the anti-hero approach, doing the right things for my reasons under the banner of the oppressive force.  Yes yes I enjoy being a nice Sith or theif who gives.  Sue me.  There is just something about having a pair of fully charged guns...the -enemy- in mass before me and a fantastic theme song.
 
 
Yasfan, I hope you don't conclude I'm being unreasonable.  That is not a jab back, but just an observation.  I love a good community.  A good community has conversation, topics, talks, and in all honesty, we as a community need a good friendly head butting now and then.  Don't worry I'll never take anything personal.  Encouraging conversation is, hopefully, the point of forums. As far as the clean streets bit...eh..seeing the Mordesh literally drilling into the soul and heart of Nexus, kina put way too much -blood- on the hands of the Exiles at that point.  Also, no join or die edict needed to be stated because it was done hundreds of years ago.  Unless I missed something in the part where the Humans were exiled for hundreds of years part?  On the other hand, It would have been easier for the DOminion to be a bit more tactful in their approach to the Exiles, already settled on Nexus, but that wouldn't be characteristic of the Dominion at all.  In addition, they do try diplomacy, it's just not a very, um, friendly type of diplomacy.  Also, remember, keep the Planet Earth and its -mostly- harmless population out of this discussion.  
 
Xiun, if you fix it, there is no conflict, or a massive lack there of.  I also believe there is no ultimate good or evil but who is right and wrong.  Problem is, there are many situations where the Exiles do wrong and the Dominion does right.  It's a lot of give and take.  If anything, like most things, This constant struggle on Nexus may create that third faction of Dominion and exiles and sub factions who see both as a bunch of jabbering angry idiots.  Who knows?  But are the Exiles any less bullies for killing animals and other minor races who get in their way every mission for not trying to turn the other cheek?
 
Tex Arcana I kina agree, yet it's always good to talk about it.  Yep, from a gaming point, Id rather play a psycho gerbil than a towering walking rock.  Yet I enjoy being the odd human out among the fray.  I stick out better that way. hey i made a rhyme.  Anyway, as many here hint on, we wouldn't mind a third faction or extended races.  More to look forward to.  And yes, I think it's the pointing towards their insane nature that gives the Chua such a massive population.  I see them on the Dominion side as much as I see the Aurin on the Exile side.  I haven't got into the lore enough to grasp the Ellevar missions, or wan't focusing enough to grasp them, I's still level 20 in the characters so may have to look that over.
 
Jelletje, you're getting at the drive of a lot of what I'm trying to point out.  Everything, so far, my character has done is to help and drive home the goal of their faction.  More and more both Dominion and Exile NPCs are looking to the character as a Hero, even the higher ranks look at the deeds with honor.  Back to the Tex Arcana point, it's a game.  It's difficult to make a reward driven player to keep going when you are given scraps and berated for all your hard work.  You do get that from the Dominion to an extent, (You did great work, but I would have done better...)  Yet I feel that is a point of the Dominion where even they realize uplifting good works produces more desire to strive.   The Chua...well, I've seen that Mondo or any higher ranking Chua realized they live longer, getting others to do their dirty work and they still get the credit.  And wow Jelletje, I completely forgot and now remember that Dominion medic tending to the wounded Aurin.  Be it for later interrogation.  Massive spoiler and disappointing there is no, let her go option.
 
Shakyntani, I do feel like I'm the only sane person there, but the lack of choices on the player part, makes me feel I have no real choice in the matter.  Just another henchman doing their part.  Also Shakyntani, about the Mechari, I remember  reading a lore about a Cassian and Mechari getting married.  May have been for more political reasons but who knows what happens behind closed bar halls.  Like Bytek said, they also eat food as alternate power sources.
 
Buzzsaw, I can see the approach from the videos portraying the Exiles and Dominion as good vs evil and leaves little to the mind to figure out.  Also, you bring up the lowest common denominator.  I tend to think of the contrast between Avatar and District 9.  Who would have ever thought you would feel sympathy and actually cheer for the insects?  They were hard in the eyes, but within just an hour, were drawn to their plight.  The Navi in Avatar...man.  I'm sorry call me a monster but I was rooting for Stephen Lang's character in the end.  Look up Mr. Plinkett's review of Avatar and you'll get a chuckle and see where I'm going with that.  but back to the point, they made the -evil- guys look evil and the -good- guys look "pretty."  less for the gray matter to process I guess.
 
Typrop, the Aurin should be used to getting burned by now. :)  If helps any, there was a mission where a Chua's last vengeful words were to kill those who put it into a stew pot.
 
Smoo, oh you funny guy.  Remember if you cut an Aurin in half you can see how old they are by their rings.  You're pro Exile.  That's not a problem.  Yet the Exiles have their own power then overtly impose on anything that they have found opposition to them on Nexus.  That -monster- that was killing the Lopp.  Any negotiation there?  No.  The lopp were accidently stepped on by them and yes yes, ate them.  Im sure if the Lopp didnt speak and came after me with a pointy object, I'd have Lopp stew for lunch.  But even on a mission, an Aurin died protecting the Lopp from one of them.  If anything she had the perfect chance to try to figure out the beast and instead, fought it off, and died trying.  The Dominion seem to have the same approach but they don't justify killing a beast to save others.  It want's to eat me?  it dies.  It's slowing down the mission?  It dies.  The Dominion don't pretend to be righteous...just right.  Yes yes, I got ticked when the Chua blew up the tree of all knowledge, then again the Nexus AI deletes the cure for everything so, maybe the Lopp know?
 
Asside:  We're not english scholars and most don't pay attention to verb and noun usage let alone adverbs and explaining a thought to C++ programming standards.  Misunderstandings will happen and I'm fine with that.  Just pointing that out.
 
I'm only up to page 8 too.  man.  :)	
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Neither faction is better than the other, they have different world views and violently enforce them as they see fit. 
 
Arboria was a resource grab (*cough* Native Americans *cough*), the comparable / worse action on the Exile side was the literal auto-genocide of the Mordesh.
 
I explained this ad nauseam in the old and thankfully long locked thread, The two factions have different but equally valid moralities....
 
And as for snarky defamation about the Sith, they too are not actually "evil". Jedi and Sith are two opposing religions. ...
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Warning this may be TL:DR so..yea
 
Spider Bro Jenkins mentioned that, in the game, the exiles were never given a join or die choice.   I thought that part happened hundreds of years prior to the finding of Nexus.  The Exiles had already been established and the Dominion was doing their Dominion thing.
 
However, I don't know if its the same for the Exile story, but the Dominion tried that very approach with this bird culture, who I swear all look like henchmen from Battle of the Planets.  I loved this situation because you had two cultures that were identically fixated on their own superiority.  No good would have come from it and after the Cassian and Mechari went their round and failed, the Draken stepped in, very eagerly.  This also showed that the Doninion are not -evil bad- just the more powerful dominate faction.  Those bird guys, clearly thinking the same thing, "We're better than you, how dare you impose your standards on us."  No real diplomacy, just two prideful factions showing their stuff.
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Anyway, my intention was that I wanted to point out the Exiles don't give most people a choice either. As the Celestion example with the Torine, they chose to take what they want against the native's wishes. Though I guess there could have been an inferred "Join or Die" speech in that quest log.
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People with different opinion =/= trolling.
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Well, for whats its worth, I enjoy playing and rping on the Dominion side and so far as I know I have never been told I have Nietzschian moral relativism :P. (I also get the feeling that the Exile popularity is less due to lore reasons and more due to marketing/underdog/bunny people)
 
Still though, I think that the main issue comes down to what was already discussed, that there were two different opinions within Carbine about how the Dominion should be written/presented, and they didn't consult until it was late in the process, creating a very confusing and conflicting narrative.
 
In the end, with all the conflicts in the canon/marketing narrative, it might actually be better for us to simply decide for ourselves how we feel about the factions, and not try to force each other to agree with one another with poor arguments. Frankly, when we're arguing not so much whether the factions are good or evil, and more about whether or not the writers were trying to make one side good and one side evil, because they're telling and showing us two different things, I think that's an argument that strays a bit too far into the personal opinion section to really ever be resolved.	
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Yasfan, you gave me a lot to chew on in your response but I shall do the best I can to explain my intentions. First of all, I am never arguing about which side is more evil. The Dominion is overall more evil than the Exiles. The Dominion's actions have a greater effect than the Exiles simply because of the the numbers game. Dominion is a huge Empire (supposedly), so when they want something, they want a lot of it. The Exiles usually don't need so much.
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First and foremost, the statement that the Exiles don't give "most" people a choice either strikes me as a really odd one given that we're talking about the same example every time. Are there a lot of other examples that aren't simply paralleled by the Dominion as part of the leveling quests?
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... I suddenly find myself wondering if the mystery individuals that the Eldan went to for advice on the Protoplasmic Resonator were the Mechari, deciding it was time to be rid of their masters and rule through the Dominion.   :blink:
Hopefully we'll find out!  :lol:
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Where in your arithmatic do the trillions of safe, happy, educated, and healthy Dominion citizens that the Empire supports (with universal healthcare and education provided by the VC) fit in? Even if we completely ignore the fact that in terms of sheer loss of life, the Exile groups have caused the worst atrocities, where is the peace and prosperity of the majority of the Galaxy under Dominion Law factored in?
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Not really wanting to get too much into this side of things, but my answer would be along the lines that a healthy society promotes the very highest aspects of sapient beings rather than concentrating on only the bestial 'healthy, fat and 'happy aspect.
 
And we find the highest aspects of sapient beings in the Dominion. Again, I'm gonna point to Toric Antevian as the Pinacle of nobility, integrity, Honour, and Virtue. Who in the Exiles holds a candle to Toric? Brightland? The criminal who nearly shot my Aurin stalkers head off after opening my cryopod and finding I wasn't his wife? Avra, the treacherous assassin and spymaster? Durek, the violent, alcoholic brute? Judge Kain, driven by revenge?
 
Just as one of the most damning arguments against Plato's 'Republic' is that the person in the book who's arguing for it, who was also the mentor and hero of the one who wrote it, (Aristotle) wouldn't be welcome there one little bit; we could also kind of test whether that great thinker, whose arguments you're using to provide a lot of philosophical justification for the Dominion (Nietzsche), would be welcome in the Dominion?
 
The Dominion welcomes everyone at first. If you commit a crime you're subject to Dominion Justice. That great thinker would absolutely be welcome, and the Dominion rewards creative thought and ingenuity and accepts that few are perfect (just ask Mondo)
 
 
We're encouraged to monitor (with implied dire consequences) folks who are merely grumbling a bit about aspects of the Dominion, or being on Nexus.  The old intro was a bit more explicit about what happens to those with 'deviant' opinions.  How do you think Nietzsche's savaging of science, church and nationalism would have gone down in the Dominion?
 
The old intro was fundamentally the same, your goal was always to root out the Exile saboteurs who were trying to destroy the Ark Ship Destiny, and you succeeded in neutralizing at least one of them (in the original tutorial). Mondo's dialogue clearly indicates that mutating / killing the other potentially manchurian candidated citizens was ACCIDENTAL. He was trying to develop a cure for the Saboteur's brainwashing, and as Chua science is Trial and Error based, he tried some odd things and failed. 
 
The difference between the Dominion's church is that, unlike all religions we know of on Earth... their's is actually RIGHT. The Eldan existed, and their genetics live on in the Luminai. They indeed Ascended to godhood (the top Eldan became the Drusentity, a serious all powerful god for BETTER AND WORSE). So Nietzche's feelings about our version of religion (a social creation) and the Dominion's (a more or less literal account of real peoples and happenings) would be wholly different. And as a point of fact, there are many powerful members of the Dominion who don't see eye to eye on all Dominion policies (e.g. Mondo and Kezerek). They are just as welcome in the Dominion as anyone else who isn't a criminal.
 
I would also say that I despise extremist Utilitarian 'ethics' ('Can't make an empire without breaking a few planets... for our utopian greater good of course'), being more in favour of (tweaked) Natural Rights style ethics.  So, as mentioned by others, 'Just leave me alone!' trumps 'But we know what's best for you, and will make it happen, regardless of your wishes' every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
 
I don't necessarily disagree, but the Dominion isn't a dictatorship. Citizens are free to live how they wish as long as they don't break any laws. They aren't forced to be a member of the vigilant Church, and the Dominion respects the beliefs of the Draken, and Chua with out hostility. The Church likewise doesn't dictate peoples lives so much as honour the vigilant virtues of Strength, Courage, Justice, Knowledge, Loyalty/Integrity and Nobility/Purity
 
Not so much Slave Morality there, as 'Will you just let become ubermensch in peace?!' :P
 
Are you suggesting the Exiles intentionally settled the home planet of the Dominion (which was literally created by Dominion's progenitors) to just "live in peace"? The Exiles are just as much out for revenge against the Dominion as the Dominion is out for Justice against the Exiles.
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This means, to me, that neither side is willing to compromise (which still means "both sides wanted to have their way" to me). I suppose I could have used a better choice in words, but I didn't.  :P
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Also, the actual reason the Exiles have such a population difference is exceedingly simple and can be summed up in a single word: Aurin. at their lowest, one FIFTH of the games population played an Aurin... It's only gone up. You wanna get more players on the Dominion? Make Blood Aurin... remember how that worked for the Horde ;)
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Not to be overly dismissive, but you do realize that you're now just repeating my own points back as if they are your own, right?
 
Were they your points first because you posted them in this thread? Either way we're splitting hairs over it, and I'm happy to agree with you. The Dominion has lower pop specifically because of the popularity of the Aurin. 
 
 
That aside, in all honesty I think this conversation is largely past the point of utility. Attempting to change people's minds about the moral nature of the sides is largely irrelevant (as well as functionally futile) because the people on this forum were never the big problem: the problem has always been people who never take the step to try the game, much less take part in forum debates (which is why I have refrained from debating Naz' theories, who seems quickly heading into fan-fiction land in his posts...).
 
Everything I say about the factions is directly from the game & it's lore. I've played through both factions storylines a few times and enjoy the game from both perspectives. I personally don't see how people imagine the Exiles to be the unambiguous "good guys" while my Aurin Stalker was busy killing Torine for their resources in Celestion, incinerating Mordesh to stop the spread of the ravenous, almost ending the planet in a squirg-ocalypse in a failed attempt to turn a terraformer into a weapon of mass destruction against the Dominion, torturing Dommies and testing biological weapons on helpless villagers, incinerating an entire farming village just because...etc. etc. etc. While my Chua Medic was busy stopping the Osun Warlord from destroying Auroria along with Toric, saving the Pell in whitevale from their antagonistic cousins, stopping said squirg-ocalpyse started by the Exiles in Whitevale, watching Major Aurelis son be executed by FCON in cold blood simply for being the Major's son, Saving the Lopp from their zany antics all over the place, helping the Torine reclaim their lands from the strain and saving the souls of their infected blade sisters, and standing with Toric on the front lines against the strain.
 
None of this is fan fiction, these are literal and exact questlines in the game. Obviously both sides have questionable quests, for example both the Exiles AND Dominion exterminate the Falkrin in Galeras and Deradune respectively, both DREDD and the Mordesh Alchemists contaminate the land in chemical warfare in Galeras and Ellevar respectively, but both ALSO have very noble and good quest-lines as well, like the Dominion freeing the Freebots and stopping the Osun Warlord in Auroria, ending the Exile caused squirg-ocalypse in Whitevale (with Mondo, I might add), etc, etc, etc.  
 
Right now I'm going to wait and see what the big announcement is that has been promised for the 13th. Then... I dunno. There is a new NCSoft game being released literally next week, so I'll go from there.
 
It's not a new game, it's Blade and Soul... been out for years in the Asian Market. It's a KMMO, lots of grind, ok story, fast combat, but kind of clunky tab / auto targeting IMO. Maybe we'll hear something about WS in the mix. Guess we'll see.
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The problem is that, they way you are saying it, you are implying that the Exiles wanting to stop being persecuted and the Cassians wanting to persecute the Exiles are moral equivalent. 
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The problem is that, they way you are saying it, you are implying that the Exiles wanting to stop being persecuted and the Cassians wanting to persecute the Exiles are moral equivalent. 
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Wow guys, this is one of the hottest topic on the forum.  Keep it together and keep it going good!  Also, I started his wonderful mess and I'm honestly reading everything here.  
 
Mental Surge, see that's what im getting at.  I went back and found the plague that affected the Lowborn farms was created BY the exiles!  Yes they were a black ops team and it was the Mordesh, but I even took a screen shot where the Mordesh took percision care to make the plague affect only Cassians, low and High born.  That is pin point targeting at its best.  And the Granok were their muscle.
 
The Mordesh plight breaks my heart in all honesty.  More so after reading that one Ekose flight log when trying to save that one Mordesh child.  They never made it out of the planet's atmosphere.  I think the irony is that the Mordesh were going to be part of the Dominion then their work into eternal life formula became a plague on all their houses.  Now I don't know if they wanted to share this with the rest of the universe, but it, I thought, caused the plague that affects them only.  Again the details are scattered about but I think the Mordesh were carpet bombed to stop the plague from spreading.  i think thats the othe rpoint you were making?
 
And that's Granok reason for hating the Dominion?  No suprise.  Didn't the same thing happen when the Dominion played diplomacy with those bird people?  (I got to get their name and stop calling them bird people).
 
I also thought the order of operations were: Humans said no to the Cassians, Humans were exiled, a lot of time passed, Aurin's supported the fleeing exiles, Dominion said stop that or you die, Aurin's refused, Chua dimplomacy insued.
 
Hi again Buzzsaw.  So for the Aurin's, it was a resource issue first and not a, you're helping the Fleeing humans, stop that or die issue?  Also I think I see a lot of Aurin slave labor in the Dominon cities.  In fact, aren't they on the Cryo ship at the beginning doing just that?  Slave farm labor?  In addidtion, I agree that the game developers wanted a lot of gray areas and as a result, left a few plot holes here and there.  It's got to the point where the planet Nexus should be a, lets set asside all our differences before we all end up like the Elders, not a, this planet be treasure, lets war over it and push lots of buttons!  I think that may be why there is slowly growing desire for a third faction to settle differences maybe?  But if we know anything from most MMOs, it will be just a 3rd faction fighting the other two and not bringing them together.  On another comment you made about them failing to make morally complex factions, I remember my reasons for not touching WoW was because the humans and Elfs became more aggressive and unrelenting and selfish while the Orcs were just slaves to their blood lust and just misundersttod.  I hated that cliche and hope that's not the end goal with Wildstar.  Taking another look back, these races are the outcome of the choices they made.  It's like an underling staying with a bad leader in hopes to save them from themselves or join the other side and over throw them.  To some that underling is zelous and following blindly while the other point will see the underling as a trator and a fool for switching sides.  I wonder if that's the point the developers wanted to get a cross or just the result of a conveluted story? I don't believe, however, the Dominion see the Aurin as so socially or politically inferior that they had no rights which the Dominion was bound to respect.  I really think it is really a lot simpler than that.  The Aurin's found themselves in the very wrong place at the very wrong time.  The Dominion reacted and choose the path of least resistance.  Everything else is just jibjab in terms of value and worth.  With the Chua screaming to want the Aurin homeworld like a 4-year old child..with a nuke, screaming for a toy, I just get the impression the Dominion just didn't want to bother with politics.  It's a cold approach, but it's charastic of the Dominion.  Again, if I'm going to keep compairing Wildstar to the ways of Earth, then it comes down to personal choice, really.  From the looks of things, the Exiles are the downtrodden beaten underdogs who just want a home and to live and the Dominion are the oppressive rich bastards who get what's coming to them in their arrogrance.  Playing the game and in the game, it's not at all that cut and dry.  Again, I think it is the way they are presenting the races that is making this debate so difficult to say one way or another.  I am constantly reminded of a Star trek game story, Light and Darkness.  The mission dealt with two "creatures." One of light and the other of darkness.  The creature of light was blood thursty, menevolant, but very appealing.  The creature of darkness was gentle, and calm but ugly in speech and appearence.  It was difficult to choose sides because what they presented themselves to be conflicted with how they did it.  In the end, they dark and light creatures realized they needed one another, not to fight one another.   I kina feel Wildstar is this in reverse.
 
 
Bloodrose, I'd hope, more than ever, this talk gets us to be more into the game than before.  Nothing is without a bit of head butting I guess.
 
Yasfan. I'm going to be as diplomatic as I can about this one.  Chua are not rational.  I think their lore even states, they do not care about life.  I get the idea they have no ability to feel empathy what so ever.  They also seem very single minded.  Explosions, Science, love for more science, if all else fails, explode it, your death means it was a big failure that other Chuas not make.  I mean there is no room for tears there or even a "Thinking of you , get well soon" card.  I almost suspect the Chua were made as the antithesis to the Aurin.  They cannot relate to the fuzzy elves one bit.  To your point, I think the Chua are very aware and capable but completely lack a moral compass.  From a Dominion stand point, they are too valuable as weapon makers with no illusions of making those weapons effective and deadly.  I've alwats loved the role play aspect of an MMO.  I try to let the RPG part inlfuence my MMO part.  But um....I've been in the WSRP chat...the one hour I endured was all sexual conversation and the talk of cross species relations.  When I made one, tiny, comment on the DNA not working out, I got the LORE side swiped into my face.  I'm not gona go to that dark and scary place again.  I think the Lowborn to Highborn interaction is seen when you stand around the lowborn on the farm and listen to their conversation.  Now I wish I remember all of what was said there on Nexus.  But compared to the Vandarin actions, the Mordesh black ops team, I think, were the cause, litterly, of that plague. Horror brings out the worst in any species. Also, when folks use condescending terms like Plague suspects and vermin, please do understand we're echoing game comments and it's not meant to be taken personally.  Even though Aurin's make the best moving targets...from what I've heard.
 
Spider Bro Jenkins, thanks for that Granok link.  Up to this point I thought the Granok were just living rocks, while in truth, they are a humanoid species where every part of them is very very dense.  Hence the rock-like everything.  This brings up two things.  1. the Dominion could have exterminated them but didn't.  2. From the Granok's perspective they are justified in fighting the Dominion.  I even think the Dominion have a seething level of respect for them as they have been the the one race that keeps the Dominion from wiping out the Exiles.  Reading the lore of Stonebreaker does give me a lot of pause.  This guy beat the Dominion and got the shaft.  That's very....hmm..I can't even remember the Dominion doing something like that to a citizen.  I'm conflicted about that.  On the food production bit, one of the things mentioned in game where the Mordesh gave the plague to the Cassians was due to their land grabing for even more food production.  I'm also a tad baffled as to why the Aurin get along so well with the Mordesh, as stated again, they drill into the heart and soul of Nexus to get things.  I guess the Aurin just feel really really bad for them?  It would make sense seeing as this may have been the underlying reason why the helped the Humans too.  I'd also like to get a better understanding of the genetic differences between Humans and Cassians.  I mean the Mordesh were able to make a plague that just affected the Cassians because "They are that good."  Just for context.
 
PennesNoodle, Im thinking about the Chua wanting a resource planet and I get the impression that the rest of the Dominion would rather have the Chua fire bomb a potential threat to them as they are helping the humans who brok off, or deny the Chua and risk the Chua...being mad?  That issue with the plague was deliberate.  Attacking the Cassian's at their own selfmade weak point, the Lowborn.  I can't even say the Highborn saw the plague as anything but an inconvenience until Highborn were dropping like flys.  Then the winds shifted and it actually forced the Dominion to act, (your player) stopping and even finding a cure to the plague, discovering it was the Mordesh all along.  All that, I think, just gives the Dominion another reason to continue the battle.  And I've seen many slaves.  I see a lot of Aurin's working in the Dominion capital city and even on the Cryo ship.  I think you also hit on another point PennesNoodle, if there were no Exiles, then the Dominion would just be the "good" guys because there is nothing really to compair them to.  Also I prefer the Dominion because of their non hypocratical stance on things.  Is it nice or friendly?  If you agree with them, yes, if not, not at all.  The Exlies, they seem too desperate to uphold to the morals and standards they say the Dominion have none of.  That makes me irate.  Also, they don't really give your player character much choice.  You can't choose to free someone you wanted to kill or eve complete the mission, but kill the mission giver because their methods are doomed to kill the next poor slob that comes along.  But in all honesty the Exiles and Dominion as a whole are not easily defined as good or bad or even evil or righteous.  Its that micro vs macro thing again.
 
Oh and Smoo, the Mordesh are practically ripping the heart and soul of Nexus apart with a drill. The Aurin kill animals and pretty much any creature that is at odds with them.  The single Aurin in the Lopp village died from defending the Lopp from the Gormash.  The Aurin didn't even take the effort to find alternatives. They eat talking vegies for goodness sakes. That's a 10 on my weird-S%$#-o-meter This is what I point out are just one of the hundreds of micro hypocricies in their actions as opposed to the few (larger) macro ones the Dominion makes.  I'm still gona say they are official hypocrites all the same.  But....yea, they have come a long way from being on their home world to being fire bombed off it.  Maybe its become a, we want the old ways, but we can't afford it right now, so lets remember but know we cant practice it until ......
 
ZuberiGF!  Good to see you sir.  Again I'm gona point out this is something a community needs and is far from pointless.  We're not NPCs and we need to stretch our emotional and mental muscles from time to time.  The level headdedness is a welcome sight too.
 
Kintallo, Hello!  I've even said the horrors of war bring out the worst in races.  Makes me wonder if the Exiles win Nexus if they don't become like the Dominion.  They no longer have the platform to stand in the face of their end when their whole race is standing with them.  I think one of the values of the Exiles are when its all over, they would have an easier time defaulting to kindness while if the Dominion win nexus they will default to...well what they've been doing all along.  I wonder how difficult it would be to make an MMO like wildstar into a cross faction co-op RPG at that point.  As far as the Aurin balance thing...yea not buying it.  As I said above one when out of her way to kill a Gormash for killing Lopp.  That's some circle of life BS right there.  Because the Lopp are adorable cute things, the Gormash must die because it needs to find other things to eat.  Sounds...very Dominion of them.  Yes yes on the other hand, having the latest fashion of skinned Aurin winter fur boots and gloves is...eh.....But...I bet the Lopp would love them. :)  But proving them -more- evil?  How do you even do that?  They are a lot more evil than the Ekos, a lot more evil than the Lopp, and a lot more evil than a few others.   But you're going to compare their evilness along side the Chua and Draken?   That's like trying compare the fuzziness of a cactus to a teddy bear.  I sware I hate doing this but, hyp·o·crit·i·cal:  behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.  The Aurin do this with nature's smile.  I love how you say they take care of the Veggie with tender loving care, then eat them.  I remember a first mission they had me kill a forest spirit.  I'm just not buying their ways as anything than micro domination.  As far as Dakkar...I guess a good healthy diet is good for longevity?
 
Andela, and the second an Aurin kills a Draken warlord, they aren't going to look at them so lightly.  They have a very Klingon feel to them, but respect strength over everything.  Would be funny if a Lopp killed one of their clan leaders and see what happens.
 
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Yasfan. I'm going to be as diplomatic as I can about this one.  Chua are not rational.  I think their lore even states, they do not care about life.  I get the idea they have no ability to feel empathy what so ever.  They also seem very single minded.  Explosions, Science, love for more science, if all else fails, explode it, your death means it was a big failure that other Chuas not make.  I mean there is no room for tears there or even a "Thinking of you , get well soon" card.  I almost suspect the Chua were made as the antithesis to the Aurin.  They cannot relate to the fuzzy elves one bit.  To your point, I think the Chua are very aware and capable but completely lack a moral compass.  From a Dominion stand point, they are too valuable as weapon makers with no illusions of making those weapons effective and deadly...
 
Actually, the Chua are hyper-rational. Just like other rodents, their only real resource is massive birthrates. Chua are also nearly immune to toxins and are extremely resilient to physical trauma. Their greatest asset is their toughness and expendibility... which is why Chua science developed as a very trial-and-error method with little concern for test subjects... because compared to the other races it was most efficient to just go at it with as many test subjects as you needed, because it's pretty darn hard to kill a Chua, and those that die are easily replaced. As for a moral compass, the Chua operate under a strictly logical utilitarian principle that puts scientific advancement as the highest of moral actions (rather than well being, as traditional utilitarianism posits).
 
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Summarizing an event where one side is trying actively to subjugate and control the other as "Well...both sides wanted to have their way, you see!" is not only fairly obvious (I want to steal your wallet; you don't want me to steal your wallet; we both want the result to be the one we want it to be), which isn't a crime, but you are also painting it neutrally by ignoring the morality and by the phrasing: It wasn't a matter of justice, ethics or morals. It was a matter of two sides trying to have their way out of their own will.
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Kintallo, Hello!  I've even said the horrors of war bring out the worst in races.  Makes me wonder if the Exiles win Nexus if they don't become like the Dominion.  They no longer have the platform to stand in the face of their end when their whole race is standing with them.  I think one of the values of the Exiles are when its all over, they would have an easier time defaulting to kindness while if the Dominion win nexus they will default to...well what they've been doing all along.  I wonder how difficult it would be to make an MMO like wildstar into a cross faction co-op RPG at that point.  As far as the Aurin balance thing...yea not buying it.  As I said above one when out of her way to kill a Gormash for killing Lopp.  That's some circle of life BS right there.  Because the Lopp are adorable cute things, the Gormash must die because it needs to find other things to eat.  Sounds...very Dominion of them.  Yes yes on the other hand, having the latest fashion of skinned Aurin winter fur boots and gloves is...eh.....But...I bet the Lopp would love them.  :)  But proving them -more- evil?  How do you even do that?  They are a lot more evil than the Ekos, a lot more evil than the Lopp, and a lot more evil than a few others.   But you're going to compare their evilness along side the Chua and Draken?   That's like trying compare the fuzziness of a cactus to a teddy bear.  I sware I hate doing this but, hyp·o·crit·i·cal:  behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.  The Aurin do this with nature's smile.  I love how you say they take care of the Veggie with tender loving care, then eat them.  I remember a first mission they had me kill a forest spirit.  I'm just not buying their ways as anything than micro domination.  As far as Dakkar...I guess a good healthy diet is good for longevity? 
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