115838-and-my-mind-just-went-boom

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			30 days of boxes!!! WOOT!...Chua misses glowing present button! THANK YOU!	
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30 days of boxes!!! WOOT!...Chua misses glowing present button! THANK YOU!
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			30 more minor prestige flasks :(	
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30 more minor prestige flasks :(
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			I've still got like a hundred from beta.  Nothing good came from those boxes.	
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I've still got like a hundred from beta.  Nothing good came from those boxes.
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You could get a flask of minor renown, don't be so negative, jeeze.
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Better than the nothing you would have gotten. Why not look for the positive rather than the negative? Are you a fan of the game or no?
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Better than the nothing you would have gotten. Why not look for the positive rather than the negative? Are you a fan of the game or no?
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This has 0 to do with being of a fan of the game to be perfectly honest. And no, some things are not better than nothing. I have 1.2 million renown with nothing to buy with it, what's a flask really gonna do for me. They vendor for like 20c.
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			Pink dyes for everyone  :D	
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			So, do my dommy chars have a chance to get a Luminous Equivar? Cuz I really like that mount but it's an exile one, and i mostly play my dommy chars.	
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So, do my dommy chars have a chance to get a Luminous Equivar? Cuz I really like that mount but it's an exile one, and i mostly play my dommy chars.
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I got lucky with my boomboxes from beta, so I'll be happy to have 30 more. :)
 
I also would like the Luminous Equivar.
 
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So, do my dommy chars have a chance to get a Luminous Equivar? Cuz I really like that mount but it's an exile one, and i mostly play my dommy chars.
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			Thanks Vick	
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Chua has easy solution:
 
Human has boombox, yes?
Human does not want boombox, yes?
Human gives to Chua, yes?
For Science!	
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Chua has easy solution:
 
Human has boombox, yes?
Human does not want boombox, yes?
Human gives to Chua, yes?
For Science!
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Hmmm make them sellable on the AH. Boom, mind really blown.
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[minor edits to make the first paragraph comprehensible following moderator removal of the original introduction to this post.]
 
To those who view a disappointed response to the boom boxes as being ungrateful or entitled: if people act like they're entitled to something here, that's because this gesture is some kind of charity on the part of the game's management. It's being offered as a form of compensation for all the inconvenience associated with the transition to megaservers. Given how MANY ways in which this game has not lived up to its promises, it's nice to know that the game's management actually feels that some compensation is appropriate.
 
So...to the game's management, I would like to say thank you, I appreciate the gesture. However, presuming that you made the gesture because you actually wanted to generate some good-will, I'd like to let you know what would achieve that goal much more effectively than what you did, at least for me.
 
I would love it if you announced that you will never again offer a SUPERBIGAWESOMEPRIZEYAYWOW!!!1!! in the form of a RNG-based luckybox that offers a technically non-zero chance at being something really good!
 
Because we know better. Don't we.
 
Gamers all over the MMORPG customer-base have been unambiguous that as a group, they hate this kind of thing. They don't just dislike it a little. They hate it. They hate it with a vitriol that is normally reserved for phrases like P2W and gank, and I promise you that is not a category of phrase you want associated with something you intend to be a gesture of good will.
 
It makes you seem less like someone interested in genuinely offering compensation and more like a used-car salesman. This is not a good thing if you want us to believe you when you tell us... well, pretty much anything that you want us to believe.
 
So when you do it, no matter how much you intend to be nice in the gesture you make, whatever good will you generate with the effort is offset by the ill will you create by letting us all know that as much as you intend to be nice, you don't intend to actually, you know, LISTEN to what you and every other MMORPG management team has been asked over and over and over and over and over to stop doing.
 
Next time, how about a nice costume item? Or a title that says "Megaserved!"? Or pretty much anything that had a clearly defined and transparent value?
 
[edited to remove an estimate of 0.001% for receiving a really shiny and valuable prize. As BoomBoxes do not have publically available odds associated with their contents, this number could be anywhere between 1 and 0--with past reports suggesting the number is much much closer to 0 than it is to 1. The revised text now more accurately reflects the problem with this kind of compensation as a lack of transparency, rather than inaccurately attaching a hypothetically low value for the actual, non-transparent odds of hitting the jackpot.] 
 
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Mmm BoomBox's. 
 
I like shinys! 
 
Tho... As an 'Entitled player' in a forum talking to listering dev's'...
 
Can't wait for Drop3 to fix the 'white' rune crafting bits not going in right bag.
 
Kinda think the 'elite' plugs for house's, skipping needing T1-2-3, kinda hurts the architect. Gosh it'd be nice if they fixed up AH/CX so other bits would sell better. - Copy the awesome preview items from house to AH, allow 'stacks' on CX like grass/tree's. Allow us to search for things like Plushie without 'too many itemes' returned even if there's 3 on AH...
 
Oh and hack MY and only MY rolls to get me sexy disco balls & boom box's for my mounts ;-P	
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Ha! I will try to be more careful with my Boom Box drops this time.
 
Without knowing much about prices, I sold a rare dye for a few plat (sold in 1-2 mins? at the CE) because I wanted to get a spacious house. :P *facepalm*
 
I expect many players who never had any boxes previously will do the same this time round. If someone keeps an eye on the AH, I bet there will be some amazing offers the next 30 days by new players who might get lucky but be less informed.
 
Maybe someone should post a topic with all the rare drops as a guide.	
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Just a reminder folks that this isn't the thread to be discussing personal opinions on the player base - we do have other threads created for that. Lets keep on topic to the OP please. :) 
 
Thank you.
- Team WildStar 	
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			30 boxes?	
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			Woot 30 more chances for stuff! I got one full Raidin costume and a whole armada of model ships ( ok a few elder gems and lots of runes er and some dies ) ... hey I will take all the boom boxes carbine wants to give me.  My next hope for is the " boom box mount flairs!" and then the mounts. ;)	
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			Boomboxes netted me several plat the first time around. I have no complaints.	
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			Huh, I do not seem to have received any additional boom boxes. Are you supposed to claim them from somewhere specific?	
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			You're looking in the right place, Blab.  They'll probably not arrive until after the downtime.	
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You could get a flask of minor renown, don't be so negative, jeeze.
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By the way, if people act like they're entitled to something here, that's because nobody but you thinks that this gesture is some kind of charity on the part of the game's management. It's being offered as a form of compensation for all the inconvenience associated with the transition to megaservers. Given how MANY ways in which this game has not lived up to its promises, it's nice to know that the game's management actually feels that some compensation is appropriate, even if you don't.
 
So...to the game's management, I would like to say thank you, I appreciate the gesture. However, presuming that you made the gesture because you actually wanted to generate some good-will, I'd like to let you know what would achieve that goal much more effectively than what you did, at least for me.
 
I would love it if you announced that you will never again offer a SUPERBIGAWESOMEPRIZEYAYWOW!!!1!! in the form of a RNG-based luckybox that offers a technically non-zero chance at being something really good!
 
Because we know better. Don't we.
 
Gamers all over the MMORPG customer-base have been unambiguous that as a group, they hate this kind of thing. They don't just dislike it a little. They hate it. They hate it with a vitriol that is normally reserved for phrases like P2W and gank, and I promise you that is not a category of phrase you want associated with something you intend to be a gesture of good will.
 
It makes you seem less like someone interested in genuinely offering compensation and more like a used-car salesman. This is not a good thing if you want us to believe you when you tell us... well, pretty much anything that you want us to believe.
 
So when you do it, no matter how much you intend to be nice in the gesture you make, whatever good will you generate with the effort is offset by the ill will you create by letting us all know that as much as you intend to be nice, you don't intend to actually, you know, LISTEN to what you and every other MMORPG management team has been asked over and over and over and over and over to stop doing.
 
Next time, how about a nice costume item? Or a title that says "Megaserved!"? Or pretty much anything that wasn't going to be a disappointment to 99.999% of the people you give it to?
 
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The hype didn't quite match the reality, as a fan of the game I am allowed to be disappointed with certain aspects of it you know.
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By the way, if people act like they're entitled to something here, that's because nobody but you thinks that this gesture is some kind of charity on the part of the game's management. It's being offered as a form of compensation for all the inconvenience associated with the transition to megaservers. Given how MANY ways in which this game has not lived up to its promises, it's nice to know that the game's management actually feels that some compensation is appropriate, even if you don't.
 
So...to the game's management, I would like to say thank you, I appreciate the gesture. However, presuming that you made the gesture because you actually wanted to generate some good-will, I'd like to let you know what would achieve that goal much more effectively than what you did, at least for me.
 
I would love it if you announced that you will never again offer a SUPERBIGAWESOMEPRIZEYAYWOW!!!1!! in the form of a RNG-based luckybox that offers a technically non-zero chance at being something really good!
 
Because we know better. Don't we.
 
Gamers all over the MMORPG customer-base have been unambiguous that as a group, they hate this kind of thing. They don't just dislike it a little. They hate it. They hate it with a vitriol that is normally reserved for phrases like P2W and gank, and I promise you that is not a category of phrase you want associated with something you intend to be a gesture of good will.
 
It makes you seem less like someone interested in genuinely offering compensation and more like a used-car salesman. This is not a good thing if you want us to believe you when you tell us... well, pretty much anything that you want us to believe.
 
So when you do it, no matter how much you intend to be nice in the gesture you make, whatever good will you generate with the effort is offset by the ill will you create by letting us all know that as much as you intend to be nice, you don't intend to actually, you know, LISTEN to what you and every other MMORPG management team has been asked over and over and over and over and over to stop doing.
 
Next time, how about a nice costume item? Or a title that says "Megaserved!"? Or pretty much anything that wasn't going to be a disappointment to 99.999% of the people you give it to?
 
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			If/when Drop3 comes, it would be nice to give a title like 'Launch Survivor', 'The Hazed' or 'Of Infinite Patience' to those that have been subbed since launch.	
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*snip* It can't be that hard to beta test a halloween costume, for example, if everything else is on hold.  And it'd make a lot more of us satisfied with that subscription price.
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			Or they could do a cowboy hat.  I know they wanted to save it as some sort of epic reward for doing something awesome, but keeping them afloat while they flop around trying to get the game fit for public consumption seems pretty awesome at this point.	
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I would immediately delete any and all negative posts I have made about the upcoming drops if we were simply given the Halloween costume in our accounts, no vendor, no quests, nothing. Just a "hey guys, sorry we totally borked our scheduling. We'll get it next year, but in the mean time, here you go, for keeping us in business".
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I can understand being upset when you work for something and get hit with RNG— who wants to run a difficult dungeon just to spin a wheel at the end?
 
However, this is something different. Whether you consider it general goodwill or mathematical compensation, we don't have to actually do anything to get these boxes. That's way, way different from the complaints people are leveling at Carbine concerning raid and dungeon RNG dragging down the fun of gameplay.
 
I would personally prefer 30 lottery tickets over a Halloween costume I will likely never wear, and assume would be BoP. At least with the boomboxes I'm likely to get a couple of items I can sell for plat, if the rewards themselves don't appeal to me.
 
Let's be real: With 30 boxes, most people will get something useful or salable. I find Yasfan's post to be worthwhile for its principle, but overall, an exaggeration.	
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If/when Drop3 comes, it would be nice to give a title like 'Launch Survivor', 'The Hazed' or 'Of Infinite Patience' to those that have been subbed since launch.
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If/when Drop3 comes, it would be nice to give a title like 'Launch Survivor', 'The Hazed' or 'Of Infinite Patience' to those that have been subbed since launch.
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I can understand being upset when you work for something and get hit with RNG— who wants to run a difficult dungeon just to spin a wheel at the end?
 
However, this is something different. Whether you consider it general goodwill or mathematical compensation, we don't have to actually do anything to get these boxes.
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I will just never understand this mentality... why do we always fall back to the position of wanting more REWARDS? For doing nothing? I mean, I certainly don't get anything from my cable company for being subscriber other than the service (and even that is debatable...) So why should game companies be held to this sort of "loyalty standard"?
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I honestly don't care what these boomboxes represent— people can interpret it however they want. I don't feel inconvenienced by either the downtime or the foibles of the game. I chose to purchase a retailed video game, I chose to take the risk that I would not like it, I chose to spend my time determining if I do like it. That's what we all did, in fact. And that reality doesn't exactly support the tone of your posts, which is "you screwed it up and now you owe me".
 
Tolerating inconvenience has been part of the MMO scene since the MMO scene began. Are you for real right now?
 
The point is, stop exaggerating and using statistically irrelevant figures to make your arguments. Your primary point was that it's silly to give us an RNG-based gift to compensate for RNG gameplay. That's a valid argument to make in principle but not when you ignore context. I'm here to tell you that you're using a weak correlation because, as already stated, RNG has frustrated gamers in Wildstar when it's the reward for gameplay, not when it's being offered as something separate from our own efforts.
 
Making the choice to buy a video game does not entitle you to compensation if that game fails to live up to your Quality criteria. I mean honestly, why don't you go write a post to the Walking Dead producers for failing to meet your demands?	
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I honestly don't care what these boomboxes represent— people can interpret it however they want. I don't feel inconvenienced by either the downtime or the foibles of the game. I chose to purchase a retailed video game, I chose to take the risk that I would not like it, I chose to spend my time determining if I do like it. That's what we all did, in fact. And that reality doesn't exactly support the tone of your posts, which is "you screwed it up and now you owe me".
 
Tolerating inconvenience has been part of the MMO scene since the MMO scene began. Are you for real right now?
 
The point is, stop exaggerating and using statistically irrelevant figures to make your arguments. Your primary point was that it's silly to give us an RNG-based gift to compensate for RNG gameplay. That's a valid argument to make in principle but not when you ignore context. I'm here to tell you that you're using a weak correlation because, as already stated, RNG has frustrated gamers in Wildstar when it's the reward for gameplay, not when it's being offered as something separate from our own efforts.
 
Making the choice to buy a video game does not entitle you to compensation if that game fails to live up to your Quality criteria. I mean honestly, why don't you go write a post to the Walking Dead producers for failing to meet your demands?
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I'm for real if you stop pretending that one specific demand of gamers (no more RNG in our gameplay) has anything to do with this extraneous, non-gameplay related compensation package.
 
Just go edit the 99.9% comment and the false correlation and I'll be peachy-keen!
 
 
counter_edit: Then I misunderstood the principle of your post. I don't want to be combative or antagonistic, I'm trying to understand your point. It just seems to me that honesty, transparency, and reliability being hinged on something as small as this is... I don't know, petty. That's just my view from here though, you might have good reason to criticize what's going on other than what's visible to me in your last couple of posts. If I got your intent wrong, I could be getting other things wrong as well.
 
But! Right now this seems like more negativity heaped on negativity for little good reason, rather than a reasonable attempt to ensure ethical business practices. :(	
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Just go edit the 99.9% comment and the false correlation and I'll be peachy-keen!
 
 
counter_edit: Then I misunderstood the principle of your post. I don't want to be combative or antagonistic, I'm trying to understand your point. It just seems to me that honesty, transparency, and reliability being hinged on something as small as this is... I don't know, petty. That's just my view from here though, you might have good reason to criticize what's going on other than what's visible to me in your last couple of posts. If I got your intent wrong, I could be getting other things wrong as well.
 
But! Right now this seems like more negativity heaped on negativity for little good reason, rather than a reasonable attempt to ensure ethical business practices. :(
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I guess there are some critical differences in perspective here, but I'll try to reason out a response that isn't catty. :P
 
To me, the 1 free day is the 'compensation' side of what we're getting. We're losing a day of game time, that's the inconvenience, so they're giving us a day of game time back. That's it. The lottery tickets are just Carbine's attempt to make something 'fun' out of the whole thing. So I'm just not buying your compensation argument. You're right to point out that Carbine's described it as making up for a fault, but I don't believe there is a shred of evidence that this has anything to do with player complaints about gameplay issues, which is what you seem to be talking about.
 
Can you link me or quote me a post that specifically draws lines between acknowledged gameplay fails and the booms/free day? If not, I stick to my reasoning: The free day is compensation for a day lost, the lottery tickets are a cherry on top because we all know that the fair exchange of 1 day for 1 day is meaningless in the big picture.
 
As far as the question, would I accept this from another business transaction, I feel like this is again going into false correlations. I include gaming under the 'arts' umbrella; it's a subjective, entertainment-based, imperfect experience being sold to me. I have every right to complain about what I don't like about that experience, but I can't sign the EULA and then turn around and claim that stuff like RNG and other design decisions have anything to do with what I'm 'rightfully' due.
 
This is not a toaster, designed with a specific function that must be fulfilled for anyone to assert that it is an honest product. There is NO guarantee of fun, because frankly, that's impossible. This is more like a movie or book— and in that context, if I buy a book with a torn cover, yes, I expect full compensation and not lottery tickets. But that type of problem is more in line with denial of service (servers down) and other technical fails. I don't see how it has anything to do with a bunch of people saying they don't like game design decisions. Don't like does not equal doesn't work. We really need to get that straight on these forums.
 
Hopefully that explains my perspective. ;)	
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			to the poster who asked where the boxes are...you'll get 1/day for 30days AFTER Megaserver merge ie Thursday( i'm jus gonna say trying to log Wed is prolly a fail so just wait, we ALL know how big patches go!) sometime when servers are back up!	
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			...THE BUTTON"S NOT GLOWING YET!!!ARRRRGH!!!  :lol:	
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also the idea that i can only open per day is ludicrous
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That it'll take you a full payment period to open them all is neither ludicrous or coincidence. Never miss an opportunity to sink another hook into the customer ;).
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			That you are not the type of customer who will pay $15 rather than walk away while there are still 5 unopened boom boxes sitting on the table doesn't mean that customer doesn't exist.	
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That you are not the type of customer who will pay $15 rather than walk away while there are still 5 unopened boom boxes sitting on the table doesn't mean that customer doesn't exist.
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Carbine owes us nothing. No one forced you to purchase the game nor to pay for a subscription / CREDD. The fact that they are showing their thanks to us through boomboxes for sticking around is a nice gesture. 
 
Much like a Gym membership, an MMO subscription entitles you to access to space / equipment within. In the case of MMO's it entitles you to a virtual space and the gameplay systems within. If you are unhappy with the gameplay systems, then much like being unhappy/happy with a rowing bench in the gym, you are not owed anything just because they decide to upgrade it  or change their equipment situation.
 
Now if the gym were closed for half a month, perhaps you might be owed some recompense; just like if W* were down for a week you would be owed some recompense. But like I said, Carbine in this instance owes us nothing. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, for the record EsperXIV is 100% correct. recompensed game time for the time we lose during the update process is what is called for and given; the boom boxes are just a show of good faith from Carbine to us.	
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I guess there are some critical differences in perspective here, but I'll try to reason out a response that isn't catty.  :P
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Why in the hell does it matter if the free game day and boom boxes are for compensation, gift, or any other supposed reason? They announced they are giving us a free day and boom boxes. Period. In the end, however any of us decide to interrupt that, it ultimately benefits us one way or another. Arguing about the reason behind it just don't make no sense o.O
 
LOL, sorry, just my opinion
 
 
((P.S. What does concern me and makes me scratch my head in wondering about is why this issue brought up in this thread isn't being talked about. Seriously, really?!?
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/115940-carbine-employee-first-names-locked-on-megaservers/ )	
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Yas, a subscription to W* isn't a product, it's a membership. It doesn't provide a product, it provides access to content. 
 
Like you acknowledge, there is no guarantee that anyone will personally enjoy the content; just like there is no guarantee that anyone will personally enjoy a gym they purchase a membership to, or the slopes at a ski resort they buy a season pass to. The only obligation that Carbine has to it's subscribers is to provide us access to it's content as long as we have paid our subscription. In that regards, the free day is recompense for the day we will lose to the update. 
 
There isn't any necessity to compensate us players any more than that; because besides that period where we will lose what we pay for (Access to the content) nothing out of our sub. agreements is violated. The Boom boxes are a gift, a gesture of good faith for the inconvenience. 
 
That said, I do want to applaud the time you took to present your ideas in a clear and logical manner :) (something of a rarity around here)
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Why in the hell does it matter if the free game day and boom boxes are for compensation, gift, or any other supposed reason? They announced they are giving us a free day and boom boxes. Period. In the end, however any of us decide to interrupt that, it ultimately benefits us one way or another. Arguing about the reason behind it just don't make no sense o.O
 
LOL, sorry, just my opinion
 
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Thanks! And I agree with you completely that they don't need to compensate us with any more than replacement of the downtime that is associated with their direct actions but isn't associated with a routine maintenance. Their legal obligation is fulfilled.
 
That doesn't change the fact that they did compensate us with more than that, whether they were legally obligated to or not. And since none of us have a legal obligation to keep our subscriptions going--and many many of their customers have exercised their legal right to drop their subscriptions--I think that it was extremely wise of them to do that.
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If I understand you correctly, you are most upset with the random nature of box contents; I personally think it's fine people, no matter how much we might think otherwise, love a good gamble :) in such a no-lose situation it's a fun thing for most folks. Obviously YMMV, but I appreciate Carbines sentiment.
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I reckon it would be funny if the dev team decided to flag the accounts of those who complain about free boom boxes so they only get silly little novelty items in their boxes, ie. a scrap of paper that has "better luck next time" written on it :D
 
If you dont like what the boxes give or just outright dont want freebies given to you just drop em on the ground.	
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I reckon it would be funny if the dev team decided to flag the accounts of those who complain about free boom boxes so they only get silly little novelty items in their boxes, ie. a scrap of paper that has "better luck next time" written on it :D
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I will just never understand this mentality... why do we always fall back to the position of wanting more REWARDS? For doing nothing? I mean, I certainly don't get anything from my cable company for being subscriber other than the service (and even that is debatable...) So why should game companies be held to this sort of "loyalty standard"?
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Cherry picking eh?
 
My local pizza place/visa card offers me rewards for being a frequent loyal customer, so why shouldn't a sub loyalty game like Wildstar offer the same? 
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Cherry picking eh?
 
My local pizza place/visa card offers me rewards for being a frequent loyal customer, so why shouldn't a sub loyalty game like Wildstar offer the same? And for doing nothing? We're still here, a feat in itself. :P
 
 
Personally I couldn't care less about boomboxes, don't feel entitled to them, but also not excited in the least that I'll be getting boxes full of random junk.
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