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Carbine, can you provide a way for me to see if I'm qualified or not. Counting all the C.R.E.D.D and subscriptions I've bought is a bit vague since some of my subscription which I paid for last month will last me until july. 
And I also had a free month w/ the digital copy. 	
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Hello Everyone - 
 
We know that there is much excitement about our transition, and we're excited too! This is an incredible opportunity for us, and we're so happy to be able to include you by gathering all of your valuable feedback.
 
By this time you've heard our announcement, and read our Player Appreciation Reward article. You may have also read our FAQ and Knowledge Base articles. There's probably a few questions that we may have missed so here's an opportunity for you to continue to help us meet your needs, so we encourage you to ask them here and we'll do our best to answer them.
 
Thanks again!
 
Team WildStar
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Right, so... a few bits of feedback.
 
First and foremost, this was a good move on your part. Thank you for doing it. :)  
 
Second, I think it's very wise of you to be upfront about it and give people who are coming a reason to buy the box during the transition. That shows some real maturity on your part and I consider it a good sign that you're looking to be upfront and not the kind of complete and total *cupcakes* that all too many players have come to equate with F2P. Thank you very much for doing that.  :wub:
 
Third, I want to point out to you that this forum thread is as calm and positive as it is instead of a tidal wave of ragequitting largely because someone claiming to be from your company let them know to brace themselves in advance. If that person was in fact legit--and if it was in fact an unplanned leak--that person did you a huge favor at considerable risk to themselves. I hope you realize that rather than acting like they betrayed you.
 
Finally, I want to encourage you to think very carefully about a few aspects of your cash shop, since I note that those details are lacking from your announcement.
 
On pricing. Whales are an important part of any F2P model, but if you set item prices so high that they are the only people who can afford to buy things then they will become the only people who do buy things. And when that happens, you will hand control of your game over to a handful of people who can simply threaten to walk out if you don't cater to their every whim. There are a lot more dolphins than there are whales. Remember to give them things to buy that are worth a cash price in the $1-20 range and you'll have a much healthier and more robust business model.
 
On exclusivity. An item that you can only buy for your own use in the cash shop will be purchased once per customer willing to buy it. An item that you can buy for yourself and then buy again and again to give to friends or sell on the auction house is an item that will be purchased at least once per customer willing to buy it--and some people will be willing to buy it even if they don't want it for themselves so that they can turn around and sell it in-game for plat. People who buy an item with cash should have the right to decide for themselves if they're going to keep it, gift it, or sell it for plat.
 
On ease of purchase. Nothing makes a customer less likely to make an impulse purchase or spend a small amount of cash than making it a pain in the butt for them to use their money. You want for people to be able to make purchases without ever even having to leave the game to do so. Yes, really. The payment point is not a place to be #hardcore and if you ask players to jump through hoops to spend their cash on your game, they'll spend less of it on your game.
 
Looking forward to the transition! I hope it goes well and gives the game a second chance to capture a robust playerbase!  :)	
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If there's no box price to join, I'm curious as to how you will keep the game from being overrun by trolls, gold-farmers, and hackers. :/ It's a great game and I don't want to see this decision turn out to be a mistake.
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			I think it's great! Hopefully this will give W* a new start! :)	
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Yazra tell me is AA TERA or Aion downhill as Freemium game
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But then who would do the HARCORE! reputation grind...?
 
In seriousness though, while it would be nice, I don't see them doing that. First problem is the one joke I did above. The second is all the people who actually did the grind and who will complain very, very loudly that they 'wasted time' in getting all those additional points. They will ask for refunds and the like. I've seen it before in other MMOs and I have also seen it when they lowered the price of the Strain Hoverboard. If we are lucky, they might implement this change despite of those complains. But the first point still remains: the main reason to do those reputation grinds is for the AMP and ability points.
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Will Digital purchases receive same benefits as box purchases?
Under crafting it says loyalists get "-10% Overcharge Risk" and signature get "-15%" and also stack. does that mean that if I made an armor piece today with an overcharge of 50% that exact same armor piece and configuration come f2p will be a a 25% overcharge or would it be the same and that Free players would instead get +25% overcharge for a total of 75%?
The restrictions placed on AH/CX and circles are per account or per character?
If a person ceases to be a signature player and they exceed the numerical restrictions of either being a free or a fre loyalist what happens? Do you remove access to those characters, circles, and or delete those listen items?
 
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You know, f2p has to have limits to encourage people to spend money.
 
..and spending money for something you enjoy isn't inherently bad. Some people would just rathet pay 5$ a month, some would rather pay 30$. He previous sub model was all or nothing.
 
Also yes, the vindication and I told you so will be super sweet, but being able to play pvp 24/7 and having a competitive environment will be reward enough for me.	
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On exclusivity. An item that you can only buy for your own use in the cash shop will be purchased once per customer willing to buy it. An item that you can buy for yourself and then buy again and again to give to friends or sell on the auction house is an item that will be purchased at least once per customer willing to buy it--and some people will be willing to buy it even if they don't want it for themselves so that they can turn around and sell it in-game for plat. People who buy an item with cash should have the right to decide for themselves if they're going to keep it, gift it, or sell it for plat.
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You know, f2p has to have limits to encourage people to spend money.
 
..and spending money for something you enjoy isn't inherently bad. Some people would just rathet pay 5$ a month, some would rather pay 30$. He previous sub model was all or nothing.
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			I've been here since closed beta but my subscription states that it started Dec. 2014, which isn't right. WTH is up with that?	
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Hey!
 
I'm happy that WS is going Free to Play, yet I'm a bit sour that I bought the game last saturday and not even a week later the game is 50% off, talk about bad luck. On top of that, the deluxe edition upgrade is still 15 euros .__. if I'd known 5 days ago, I'd have waited and bought the special edition for the 30 euros I spent on the regular game. I'm not expecting/demanding to get a free deluxe edition, even though it would be a nice gesture to everyone who purchased the game somewhere between now and 7 (or 14?) days ago? ;-)
 
I just hope this decision won't overrun the game with trolls/scammers/plat farmers.	
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I've been here since closed beta but my subscription states that it started Dec. 2014, which isn't right. WTH is up with that?
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Q: Why limit social features in a MMO game?
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Someone get working on an add on to clean up the chat pl0x \o/ We're gonna need it.
 
Life will return to Nexus o/	
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I wonder how renown will factor in the game now. 
 
Will LP's (loyalty points) now replace renown? Will items in the cash shop also be available to the renown shop.
 
I'm just really concerned that even though I pay my £8.99 every month, I won't have access to everything now	
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			so if at one point in the last year, my sub technically stopped due to my CC expiring, and me having to get a new one. am i SOL on the mount? my sub was not down for longer than a day or 2.	
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Really excited about the future of the game, I think this is the right move.
 
My only complain is that I won't be able to get that Ikthian mount, cause my subscription was not active for the whole year, because I took a brake 2 months after the game launhced, but came back way before you guys announced this and I even purchased a sub till August.
 
You should make it so that everyone that had an active sub when the free to play was announced gets the mount. The collector in me would die if I didn't get this awesome mount.
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Because past history has shown free accounts WILL be used to abuse whatever social features they can in futherance of scamming. That kind of thing hasn't been a big problem since just after launch, but a resurgence of players will lead to a resurgence of scammers, and the harder it is for them to get to mass numbers of targets, the better.
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Apologies if this has already been asked, but I cannot keep up with all the posts that are being submitted as this time.
 
I would like to know if the cash shop will be available, along with drops of the currency from mobs, in the next PTR update or will all of it be done via the 'new' closed beta for Free-To-Play??  
 
Also Member Since 13 Jul 2014 kinda sucks to have missed out on some stuff since I didn't know the game existed when it launched - Ah well...
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			Really good news, but not a suprise ofc  :P	
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I want to keep "subscribed" during the F2P  game with CREDD... Will CREDD still be available for players to buy and sell in the game ???
 
I don't mind spending all my Plat on CREDD. 
 
I wont pay real money until the Telekom fix their traffic shaped, over utility crappy link to Sweden.
 
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Well, how so? Loyalty has been defined in this case as continuous. Wouldn't make sense to say "sorta continuous, and thanks for your sorta loyalty" right?
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I get that the less then a day crowd is slightly different, but the couple of months crowd have an equal footing I think.
 
I switched jobs, I missed out on month of pay so had to really REALLY tighten my belt, I unsubbed for a single month until my first pay packet of my new job came in.
 
Nothing I can do to fix that. But I've been subbed from day 1 besides that single month.
 
Do I not deserve the mount and extra title?
 
Cause I feel like I deserve the mount and extra title =p
 
Everyone circumstances are different, I think a 6/12 subbed threshold should exist.
 
If you've been subbed for OVER half of the time since launch, you get the mount and extra title for the 'loyal' players.
 
That's fair isn't it?
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There's nothing stopping them from creating free accounts. However if you look at the differences in account types, you'll see the amount of access to widespread social systems they have is pretty limited, and in the past this has worked really well at keeping things from getting out of hand.
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Well, now I'm torn...
 
You see, I have been a subscriber since launch, and was questioning whether or not I should let my current annual subscription go, before it renews in about a month. I'm inclined to keep it, although I don't play the game very often, because I do enjoy it when I do have the time to log in now and again. But with the game going F2P this autumn (BTW, would this be September, October, November, or December? "Coming this Fall" is rather vague), I'm actually considering switching down to a month-to-month sub, until I see what the Loyalty rewards are, and learn more about the inevitable cash shop and what all it will entail. If the Loyalty rewards aren't rather spectacular, I really don't see why I should keep a subscription going after F2P launches.
 
This all said, I am glad that Carbine is making this move. It should bring more players to the game, and F2P MMORPGs are pretty much the norm now, so I don't see this as a failure of the game to "make it" as a sub-only title. It's just the nature of the industry, and very few games can really make it as a sub-only MMO anymore. But at least I know some of my GW2 guild will give Wildstar a chance once F2P launches, as they refused to do so if it meant parting with actual money. Yes, they are rather cheap.
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Lowering IA? When was this a problem? xD You never needed the "full suite" to complete low level dungeons even marginally successfully.
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Also, I might've expected that much of this thread would be taken up with "but what if I didn't keep my account active since launch? Don't I deserve the extra loyalty reward that's being given out to people who kept their accounts continuously active during the entire live game?"
 
Uh... no. No, you don't. That's why they're giving it out to people who kept their accounts continuously active during the entire live game. They're allowed to value people who showed up when the doors first opened and who have stuck it out with them the entire time.
 
I'm not getting that extra prize either, btw. Wasn't here for the first few weeks post launch, and had a day of downtime over being hacked before I put up the 2-phase authentication. But I'm delighted to get the loyalty rewards that they've provided for those of us who will be staying through the transition, and the loyalty points that will give me credit for the time I have been here.
 
Looking forward to my Disco Snoglug, Carbine, thanks for that.  ;)	
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			Is "box-purchasers" only referring to physical copies of the game? If so, is there a plan to do anything for digital purchasers of the game in regards to character slots, costume slots, bank slots, and the number of decor items that can be place?	
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Name an example where creating/inviting players to a circle or guild can be abused ?
 
They are now enforcing that guild leaders and officer must be subscribers, most of them are players that have sticked with wildstar through the bad times (pvp servers exodus) and this is their reward?
 
If this was included with the box version then I would be okay with this but now it's just ridiculous 
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Oh by the way, will our Glitterkitty and Snarfy mounts be in the shop? I sure hope not, it was adverticed as a one time deal.
I wanna be special, after all that hassle to get my hands on them :D
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The date display system has always been a bit weird. Is it possible you changed your payment method at that time? Like you got a new card and had to update it?
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City of Heroes. When they converted, free subs used every method they could to gain access to broadcast areas.
 
Also you're confusing Free accounts with Veteran accounts. I know the FAQ lists two account types, but I'm willing to bet there will technically be 3: baseline free, veterans, and signature. Veterans will be those people who subbed for a while and get a significant number of Loyalty points from that.
 
They haven't announced Loyalty details, but I am strongly inclined to believe that your Loyalty points will be used to permanently unlock social features like those.
 
In other words, there's one leg of this tripod still missing, and getting up in arms before all the info is out won't do you any good.
 
 
 
No. Renown will remain an ingame currency (subject to that 25% bonus if you're a Signature). Whatever they sell at the cash store will be either duplicate or all new.
 
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Evidently the metaphorical "you" has a LOT of trouble doing just that. Not saying you specifically did. But TimeTravel posted over on the PVE sub that the number entering and actually completing the leveling dungeons was and is a problem.
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Suggestion for the crew:  I can see a lot of altaholics getting tweaked by the free/supporter model.  Free supports 2 characters, supporter gets 12.  You are setting yourselves up for pain on this one, especially if someone is only sporadically a supporter.  You might consider the GW2 approach on this one where one of the microtransactions you can do unlocks a slot, however that slot then is good forever.
 
Because OTHERWISE, someone supports for awhile, has their 12 characters, then goes free for awhile -- which characters survive?  Then goes supportive AGAIN and ... do they come back out of hibernation?
 
Better to just have hard unlocks I think here.  Costumes have the same issue though a costume could be recreated (and someone might even write an addon to extend the holowardrobe with saved settings perhaps).  But a character -- ohh people get bound to their characters and characters are difficult to truly recreate.
 
Anyhow, please pass that along to your team.  I can see the pain coming on this one, and you're gonna want to avoid the support tickets.
 
EDIT: Back editing here.  As Anvh pointed out downthread, I got my column headings wrong on the all you need to know page.  The character slots are for free vs BOXED.  So... my fear and warning here is likely unfounded.	
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I'm also one of those people who started playing in closed beta and continued to play from launch. I, too, unsubscribed at some point due to real life reasons but I never stopped loving the game. I really think the current plan is too strict for reasons many have already mentioned. I second the 6/12 threshold as well.
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That is a negative, ghost rider - All returning players will get the loyalty sub time, and the DJ decor, and the other items. The following is from the FAQ, albeit further down:
 
"If you purchased WildStar but let your account lapse, we want you to come back and get these grandfathered box-purchaser benefits! Players who subscribe by June 15, 2015 and maintain a subscription through transition to Free-to-Play, you will still receive the DJ Caretaker housing décor item, the Disco Snoglug companion pet, the new housing music track, four months of Signature service, and the "Nexus Loyalist" title."
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Right, so... a few bits of feedback.
 
First and foremost, this was a good move on your part. Thank you for doing it. :)  
 
Second, I think it's very wise of you to be upfront about it and give people who are coming a reason to buy the box during the transition. That shows some real maturity on your part and I consider it a good sign that you're looking to be upfront and not the kind of complete and total *cupcakes* that all too many players have come to equate with F2P. Thank you very much for doing that.  :wub:
 
Third, I want to point out to you that this forum thread is as calm and positive as it is instead of a tidal wave of ragequitting largely because someone claiming to be from your company let them know to brace themselves in advance. If that person was in fact legit--and if it was in fact an unplanned leak--that person did you a huge favor at considerable risk to themselves. I hope you realize that rather than acting like they betrayed you.
 
Finally, I want to encourage you to think very carefully about a few aspects of your cash shop, since I note that those details are lacking from your announcement.
 
On pricing. Whales are an important part of any F2P model, but if you set item prices so high that they are the only people who can afford to buy things then they will become the only people who do buy things. And when that happens, you will hand control of your game over to a handful of people who can simply threaten to walk out if you don't cater to their every whim. There are a lot more dolphins than there are whales. Remember to give them things to buy that are worth a cash price in the $1-20 range and you'll have a much healthier and more robust business model.
 
On exclusivity. An item that you can only buy for your own use in the cash shop will be purchased once per customer willing to buy it. An item that you can buy for yourself and then buy again and again to give to friends or sell on the auction house is an item that will be purchased at least once per customer willing to buy it--and some people will be willing to buy it even if they don't want it for themselves so that they can turn around and sell it in-game for plat. People who buy an item with cash should have the right to decide for themselves if they're going to keep it, gift it, or sell it for plat.
 
On ease of purchase. Nothing makes a customer less likely to make an impulse purchase or spend a small amount of cash than making it a pain in the butt for them to use their money. You want for people to be able to make purchases without ever even having to leave the game to do so. Yes, really. The payment point is not a place to be #hardcore and if you ask players to jump through hoops to spend their cash on your game, they'll spend less of it on your game.
 
Looking forward to the transition! I hope it goes well and gives the game a second chance to capture a robust playerbase!  :)
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Oh by the way, will our Glitterkitty and Snarfy mounts be in the shop? I sure hope not, it was adverticed as a one time deal.
I wanna be special, after all that hassle to get my hands on them :D
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Well, add me to the "super sad I won't get the mount" club. Played in beta long enough to get 60+ boom boxes, pre-ordered the deluxe edition, and played from the head-start to the end of 2014. Sadly I cancelled my sub to focus on my last semester in college (I actually resubbed two weeks before finals because I couldn't wait to play any longer  :lol:).
 
I am truly jealous of anyone who will obtain that mount. I don't think my wounds will ever heal after seeing people run around on those new mount, but I'll live.	
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Also, I might've expected that much of this thread would be taken up with "but what if I didn't keep my account active since launch? Don't I deserve the extra loyalty reward that's being given out to people who kept their accounts continuously active during the entire live game?"
 
Uh... no. No, you don't. That's why they're giving it out to people who kept their accounts continuously active during the entire live game. They're allowed to value people who showed up when the doors first opened and who have stuck it out with them the entire time.
 
I'm not getting that extra prize either, btw. Wasn't here for the first few weeks post launch, and had a day of downtime over being hacked before I put up the 2-phase authentication. But I'm delighted to get the loyalty rewards that they've provided for those of us who will be staying through the transition, and the loyalty points that will give me credit for the time I have been here.
 
Looking forward to my Disco Snoglug, Carbine, thanks for that.  ;)
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And honestly, having run them as a healer the last few days a lot, reducing white damage and some IA probably WILL make them be a little more appropriate for a normal level 20 (as much as I hate to admit it). It's VERY hard to keep up with the damage those adds do on Aethros.
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It's reasonable. Lower level dungeons with everyone at 20 required more coordination than vets when mobs had same IA as vets.
 
I've been vocally against nerfing the leveling dungeons, but Carbine says they looked at the numbers and completion rate is lower than what they want. I can't fault them for making this call.
 
And honestly, having run them as a healer the last few days a lot, reducing white damage and some IA probably WILL make them be a little more appropriate for a normal level 20 (as much as I hate to admit it). It's VERY hard to keep up with the damage those adds do on Aethros.
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I wonder how renown will factor in the game now. 
 
Will LP's (loyalty points) now replace renown? Will items in the cash shop also be available to the renown shop.
 
I'm just really concerned that even though I pay my £8.99 every month, I won't have access to everything now
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Suggestion for the crew:  I can see a lot of altaholics getting tweaked by the free/supporter model.  Free supports 2 characters, supporter gets 12.  You are setting yourselves up for pain on this one, especially if someone is only sporadically a supporter.  You might consider the GW2 approach on this one where one of the microtransactions you can do unlocks a slot, however that slot then is good forever.
 
Because OTHERWISE, someone supports for awhile, has their 12 characters, then goes free for awhile -- which characters survive?  Then goes supportive AGAIN and ... do they come back out of hibernation?
 
Better to just have hard unlocks I think here.  Costumes have the same issue though a costume could be recreated (and someone might even write an addon to extend the holowardrobe with saved settings perhaps).  But a character -- ohh people get bound to their characters and characters are difficult to truly recreate.
 
Anyhow, please pass that along to your team.  I can see the pain coming on this one, and you're gonna want to avoid the support tickets.
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Is "box-purchasers" only referring to physical copies of the game? If so, is there a plan to do anything for digital purchasers of the game in regards to character slots, costume slots, bank slots, and the number of decor items that can be place?
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This is very strange to me. I've never been in an unsuccessful leveling dungeon run. The "worst" was a KV where we wiped a bunch on the last boss (people learning how to avoid the spinning chainsaws), but actually everyone kept raving about how awesome it was that this was challenging and encouraging each other with "We almost had it!" and whatnot. And when we did beat it, the atmosphere was very positive.
 
:\ I hope the changes preserve the content enough.
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I'm glad that the game has lowered the barrier of entry. Now I can freely invite people I know to enjoy Wildstar without telling them they have to sink $40 on a copy. (I do believe that the questing experience alone is worth $40).
 
I have a few concerns.
 
1. Are we going to remain on a 3 month drop cycle?
2. Is content going to be sold in "episodes" like The Secret World?
3. I expect Towellie is going to bring Twitch chat. I can only imagine the amount of meme spam we are going to be encountering. Is it possible to have report spam act as a ignore towards the targets account?
4. Since accounts cost nothing to make will Carbine be instituting IP bans for people that have their accounts closed as punishment?
5. I'm concerned with the cost per player. How much do we expect each player on average to spend? Thinking along these lines I worry that the signature service folks will be footing the bill for f2p or light spenders. How is this model going to affect content creation?
 
Mike Donatelli in a interview that he read a bunch of posts saying ' I like the game, I'm just not paying you any money for it'. Does this not register as a "what the *cupcake*" moment for anyone?	
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Suggestion for the crew:  I can see a lot of altaholics getting tweaked by the free/supporter model.  Free supports 2 characters, supporter gets 12.  You are setting yourselves up for pain on this one, especially if someone is only sporadically a supporter.  You might consider the GW2 approach on this one where one of the microtransactions you can do unlocks a slot, however that slot then is good forever.
 
Because OTHERWISE, someone supports for awhile, has their 12 characters, then goes free for awhile -- which characters survive?  Then goes supportive AGAIN and ... do they come back out of hibernation?
 
Better to just have hard unlocks I think here.  Costumes have the same issue though a costume could be recreated (and someone might even write an addon to extend the holowardrobe with saved settings perhaps).  But a character -- ohh people get bound to their characters and characters are difficult to truly recreate.
 
Anyhow, please pass that along to your team.  I can see the pain coming on this one, and you're gonna want to avoid the support tickets.
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This part
red is free orange signature
So if you are or want to run a guild you need signature account, my question is why?
 
Circles
Can join one (1) Circle
Cannot invite into or create Circles
Can join five (5) Circles
Can invite into and create Circles
 
Guilds
Cannot invite into or create a Guild
Can invite into and create a Guild
 
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You're correct, but NCSoft is notoriously paranoid when it comes to the ability to gift within their transaction systems. I wouldn't count on it being a launch feature (and if we're being honest I'm not expecting it to happen ever).
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I'm curious what qualifies as being here "for launch". I wasn't here for the head start, though was here with the 7 day trial until I got the game shortly after. I believe that was still in the first month of launch.
 
Followup question. Will CREDD still exist in F2P as an alternative way to be a Signiture subscriber?	
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			well it looks like  those that had a CC expiration interrupt their sub will not be receiving the mount incase there was anyone else wondering, your best hope is contacting CS when the time comes and beg. doenst sound too promising to me though.	
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Dear Carbine,
I would love to know if a new proper raid is planned forthe "near" future.
Thank you.	
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			I've been playing this game since the closed betas, created my account on Dec 11, 2013 and i have a pre ordered deluxe edition. I havent stopped playing ever since. My issue about this Ikthian Crawler mount is that, in order to get the mount, do i need to have had my subscription active on every single day since launch? I pre-ordered my wildstar copy on may 23rd 2014, been paying my sub mostly with game time cards, a couple times with credit card and another couple with credd, but I seem to remember that between one of these payements i had my sub inactive for 1 or 2 days (not 100% sure), because i had some issue with my VISA, it was a while ago, so i cant remember exactly what the date was, So my question is, does these 2 days of inactive subscription prevent me from getting that awesome mount? xD Thanks in advance.	
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Suggestion for the crew:  I can see a lot of altaholics getting tweaked by the free/supporter model.  Free supports 2 characters, supporter gets 12.  You are setting yourselves up for pain on this one, especially if someone is only sporadically a supporter.  You might consider the GW2 approach on this one where one of the microtransactions you can do unlocks a slot, however that slot then is good forever.
 
Because OTHERWISE, someone supports for awhile, has their 12 characters, then goes free for awhile -- which characters survive?  Then goes supportive AGAIN and ... do they come back out of hibernation?
 
Better to just have hard unlocks I think here.  Costumes have the same issue though a costume could be recreated (and someone might even write an addon to extend the holowardrobe with saved settings perhaps).  But a character -- ohh people get bound to their characters and characters are difficult to truly recreate.
 
Anyhow, please pass that along to your team.  I can see the pain coming on this one, and you're gonna want to avoid the support tickets.
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If I missed 1 month of sub since launch, I won't get the mount? ~_~
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well it looks like  those that had a CC expiration interrupt their sub will not be receiving the mount incase there was anyone else wondering, your best hope is contacting CS when the time comes and beg. doenst sound too promising to me though.
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Sooo.. discussing this with my guild.. We came to the conclusion if we don't have the option of getting more costume slots.. we will table flip.. all the tables on our plots..all them.. upside down.. chaos.
 
Soo hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge. Sell costume slots.	
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Followup question. Will CREDD still exist in F2P as an alternative way to be a Signiture subscriber?
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Dear Carbine,
I would love to know if a new proper raid is planned forthe "near" future.
Thank you.
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If this ends up being the true then RIOT!
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Agreed about the alts. I hated that I had to re-create a few of my characters on the PvP megaserver because they were deleted after being flagged as "inactive" despite the fact I had logged in on them.
 
Alts are a big part of any MMORPG (well, apparently you don't need them in FFXIV, but I haven't played it). And right now, it seems like with all the bonuses that premium members get compared to the shaft that free members get, it's essentially still a sub-based MMO, and that kind of defeats the purpose of going F2P.
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While I agree on this to certain extent...well, that extent only reaches in so far as that there should be some kind of safety net as others have said. I don't know if a whole month is adequate, but people do run into problems sometimes. Like being hacked for exactly one day!
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Suggestion for the crew:  I can see a lot of altaholics getting tweaked by the free/supporter model.  Free supports 2 characters, supporter gets 12.  You are setting yourselves up for pain on this one, especially if someone is only sporadically a supporter.  You might consider the GW2 approach on this one where one of the microtransactions you can do unlocks a slot, however that slot then is good forever.
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*is* there a cash shop?
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So assuming the game gets a massive influx of new players, what is happening with the free character realm transfers?
 
Debating on whether to move back to Warhound .... 	
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You won't lose characters I'm certain of that. You may have to pick and choose which to activate, or not be able to create more, but without the Loyalty system information to judge by, I cant say for sure.
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I need an answer for this question too. :o
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This part
red is free orange signature
So if you are or want to run a guild you need signature account, my question is why?
I thought making groups/guilds and playing together was the main reason people play MMO so it's stupid to put this behind a sub wall.
Why not remove it or put it behind the box version if you are worried about suddenly having 1000 of guilds...
Circles
Can join one (1) Circle
Cannot invite into or create Circles
Can join five (5) Circles
Can invite into and create Circles
Guilds
Cannot invite into or create a Guild
Can invite into and create a Guild
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I'll have to recheck.  I thought it was under the supporter framework.  If so, then maybe it'll all hash out okay.
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I see that no where...
free = 2 char
boxed = 12
 
boxed is something different then signature (sub)
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I've been playing this game since the closed betas, created my account on Dec 11, 2013 and i have a pre ordered deluxe edition. I havent stopped playing ever since. My issue about this Ikthian Crawler mount is that, in order to get the mount, do i need to have had my subscription active on every single day since launch? I pre-ordered my wildstar copy on may 23rd 2014, been paying my sub mostly with game time cards, a couple times with credit card and another couple with credd, but I seem to remember that between one of these payements i had my sub inactive for 1 or 2 days (not 100% sure), because i had some issue with my VISA, it was a while ago, so i cant remember exactly what the date was, So my question is, does these 2 days of inactive subscription prevent me from getting that awesome mount? xD Thanks in advance.
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I also found it curious that there wasn't any talk about a cash shop. Personally I am curious about how they'll implement one since they already have CREDD for the legitimate cash to gold conversion.
 
 
Using CREDD for your subscription was perhaps the most loyal thing you could do, since someone had to pay $20 for each of them.
 
 
Do you not see how this drips of entitlement? If you are changing how much you are paying for the game then it absolutely makes sense for the game to change what features you have access to.
 
 
It actually sounds like things will get significantly better for subscribers, especially if you are into crafting at all. That -15% overcharge risk means F2P players absolutely will not be able to compete with circuit board crafted goods sold by subscribers, and the +10% target radius means that F2P players probably won't be able to craft technologist boosts and such nearly as efficiently (unless they luck out on discovery locations), meaning the subcribers can price them out of the market. This almost reeks of pay to win, except no one wins anymore by crafting.
 
 
Have you used any CREDD? That does weird things to subscription start dates.
 
 
I don't know about circles and guilds, but for a while after launch you had gold sellers constantly spamming people with PvP team invites where the team name was their gold seller spam.
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Because gold-farmers...
 
If Freepers can found guilds and invite players then there will be spam showered down upon every unguilded player, all to join the gold farmer guilds. Those farmer guild leaders will then take the taxes off to sell on their shifty little sites.
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This is because you have always run them with players who understood the importance of Interrupts and who were capable of coordinating or having enough of them in their LAS. I'm pretty sure most classes do not have access to a second interrupt before KV and STL, for instance. On top of that, the game was very bad about explaining Moment of Opportunity. And on telling you which were the big attacks you have to interrupt. I forgot if they ever fixed that.
It makes sense to make them easier, since they want new players to actually run them instead of skipping them.
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			I've had an uninterrupted subscription since July 14th. Will I be eligible for loyalty rewards?	
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its the truth, and tbh im furious.
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Because gold-farmers...
 
If Freepers can found guilds and invite players then there will be spam showered down upon every unguilded player, all to join the gold farmer guilds. Those farmer guild leaders will then take the taxes off to sell on their shifty little sites.
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Is "box-purchasers" only referring to physical copies of the game? If so, is there a plan to do anything for digital purchasers of the game in regards to character slots, costume slots, bank slots, and the number of decor items that can be place?
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Do you not see how this drips of entitlement?  If you are changing how much you are paying for the game then it absolutely makes sense for the game to change what features you have access to.
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			Dear carbine I was one of the 700 some people who got all the boomboxes from beta. Can I have a mount made of the salty tears from everyone who isn't getting the Ikthian Crawler mount? I feel super entitled to one.	
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How do you know it? I am reading everything and haven't seen any official confirmation that you have to have 100% uninterrupted subscription since June 3rd.
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How do you know it? I am reading everything and haven't seen any official confirmation that you have to have 100% uninterrupted subscription since June 3rd.
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No it isn't so stop spreading fear :P
 
http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2015-05-28-wildstar-is-going-free-to-play-heres-all-you-need-to-know/
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Gold farmers can just create more accounts to get around these restrictions.
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Because gold-farmers...
 
If Freepers can found guilds and invite players then there will be spam showered down upon every unguilded player, all to join the gold farmer guilds. Those farmer guild leaders will then take the taxes off to sell on their shifty little sites.
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Not really, in large part because of the existence of a cash shop. In order to maintain my current game experience, Carbine is essentially trying to double-dip from me. They want me to maintain my sub and spend money in the cash shop - that's far more than previously paid on a month-to-month basis.
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That's the key isn't it? Maintaining the current benefits you enjoy now while throwing some neat extra things out there that you can buy if you feel like. We haven't seen anything but bare bones about the cash shop and what it will entail so we don't really know if that will pan out at this point. But assuming it won't isn't any more valid than assuming it will.
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Dear carbine I was one of the 700 some people who got all the boomboxes from beta. Can I have a mount made of the salty tears from everyone who isn't getting the Ikthian Crawler mount? I feel super entitled to one.
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Gold farmers can just create more accounts to get around these restrictions.
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Not really, in large part because of the existence of a cash shop. In order to maintain my current game experience, Carbine is essentially trying to double-dip from me. They want me to maintain my sub and spend money in the cash shop - that's far more than previously paid on a month-to-month basis.
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I honestly think it's unreasonable to assume we'll get a stipend. None of the games I've played that have gone F2P have offered such a thing, so it's just as likely that we won't get one as it is that we will.
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I honestly think it's unreasonable to assume we'll get a stipend. None of the games I've played that have gone F2P have offered such a thing, so it's just as likely that we won't get one as it is that we will.
 
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As a new person who spent 2 hours running Protostar Academy because we couldn't find a 5th person, I greatly disagree with this. The Academy does not properly explain interrupts or when to use them. It pretty much says use interrupts that's it. There's nothing farther in depth with this. My party members had to rearrange their sets just so we could time the 1 interrupt each of us had properly due to the lack of a 5th person. Dungeon challenge is crucial but there is a line between challenging and punishing that was constantly danced on. We died several times, had to leave for armor repairs and health shots, and didn't have fun until we got to the final boss. After that experience, I have been hesitant to aim for anymore dungeons because if that was just the "intro" dungeon, I don't even want to know how the other ones are.
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They haven't confirmed yet. I'm sure they will clarify at some point soon though. People are just sort of looking for something to get worked up over when they know the info will definitely come at some point.
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			TSW offers a stipend, and their cash shop is very similar to what is described in the Article. Also, farming cash-shop currency in game. 	
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Posting here on Caydiem's suggestion from Twitter.
 
So we're going to be testing out the FTP environment before launch, which imo is great in case things need tweaking. However, are we going to be testing from a purely free player aspect? Or are we going to be testing the perks that a subbed player will be receiving? Should we be comparing numbers and giving feedback that makes it so a sub doesn't feel like a pay-to-win aspect?
 
Currently it looks like the subbed players will be receiving things like more currency and more rest (and active) xp and reputation. These are great perks to encourage people to sub - and more subs means more money for Carbine which is great! If the free player's xp and rep gains will be like how it is currently on live, then there may not be much issue since it's not too difficult to get what you need with time invested. However, if the sub gains seem drastically higher, rather than being viewed as a perk you're going to see accusations slung around that WildStar is a pay-to-win game.
 
Other than limited character slots and housing decor, I wonder what exactly we would get to effectively test in this beta, aside from the drop rates on these omnibits we've heard a little bit about. Nothing else is supposed to be gated, and things like the crafting boosts would require someone testing the signature option and free option to see if the numbers line up accordingly.	
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So you don't disagree that they expect us to pay far more than our current $15/month, which is actually the exact opposite of what F2P proponents were arguing before this announcement (and exactly what F2P opponents like myself kept saying would happen).
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Not really, in large part because of the existence of a cash shop. In order to maintain my current game experience, Carbine is essentially trying to double-dip from me. They want me to maintain my sub and spend money in the cash shop - that's far more than previously paid on a month-to-month basis.
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Maybe I should have worded that better. I am hoping that you and me and anyone else who subs will get the same as we get now if not more. But using more cash will allow you to get things faster than you get them now.
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That would be ideal, but given that there is a cash shop on top of having to remain subscribed to continue our current experience, that ideal is impossible as there will already be things out of reach.
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Considering that we have almost no details on the cash shop I think you are making untenable assumptions here. Your anecdotal evidence of no games offering a stipend means as much as mine where all of them have offered one, absolutely nothing without more details from Carbine.
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Considering that we have almost no details on the cash shop I think you are making untenable assumptions here.  Your anecdotal evidence of no games offering a stipend means as much as mine where all of them have offered one, absolutely nothing without more details from Carbine.
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Personally I'm not sure if I qualify, and that saddens me because that'd mean I missed it by about a month or less of sub. I want some clarification so I know whether or not I qualify. 
If I don't qualify for the mount, too bad. It was my choice to collapse my sub for a month as I was burned out on the game (Although I find that burnout is pretty common in games, but I dont think carbine would care). 
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			So apparently when a CC is declined, it cancels your account.  Happened to me, says I cancelled on Dec 31, 2014, and Active December 31, 2014. And account history for me only goes back 180 days so I don't know if I had anymore mess up prior.  Means no mount?	
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http://boards.4chan.org/vg/thread/104446474#p104690318
look at the question he is replying to.
 
youmukon is from CRB
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Also you can leave the guild right away if that is the case, so your comment makes no sense.
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I know there will be more on loyalty stuff later, but I gotta ask.
 
How will the loyalty perks work? Do the perks unlock as we amass Loyalty points or do we spend points to buy perks? Are the perks permanent after they are gained or are they on a timer and we have renew them?	
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I honestly think it's unreasonable to assume we'll get a stipend. None of the games I've played that have gone F2P have offered such a thing, so it's just as likely that we won't get one as it is that we will.
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It will suck staring at the greyed out mount on your tab when you know you can never get it. Really upset.
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TSW offers a stipend, and their cash shop is very similar to what is described in the Article. Also, farming cash-shop currency in game.
 
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I know there will be more on loyalty stuff later, but I gotta ask.
 
How will the loyalty perks work? Do the perks unlock as we amass Loyalty points or do we spend points to buy perks? Are the perks permanent after they are gained or are they on a timer and we have renew them?
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It's not about joining the guild- it's about not getting the annoying invitation. Were you here when we were all getting spammed invitations from sellers? It was horrible.
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			What will the different be for boxed users pre and post F2P? I am a boxed user now with active game time and all, but i have a friend who is considering getting the game. What is the difference for him if he gets the boxed game pre and post fp2?	
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But then who would do the HARCORE! reputation grind...?
 
In seriousness though, while it would be nice, I don't see them doing that. First problem is the one joke I did above. The second is all the people who actually did the grind and who will complain very, very loudly that they 'wasted time' in getting all those additional points. ... But the first point still remains: the main reason to do those reputation grinds is for the AMP and ability points.
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Was that the arena team spam? I remember that... turned off the ability to see invites because of it.
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Was that the arena team spam? I remember that... turned off the ability to see invites because of it.
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I am being understandably suspicious towards a company whose primary interest is making me spend as much money as possible.
 
 
Rift doesn't offer a stipend. Instead it offers discount prices to subscribers.
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Then put it behind the box price, the box is more expensive then 1 month sub
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I've done that multi-grind once.  I never ever want to do it again.  Bring on the unlocks!
 
 
CREDD will continue to be offered for sale and players will be able to consume it or place on the IG currency exchange.  The only difference is that instead of a sub it adds time to your Signature Status.  Is that purely semantic or a more honest name for the less-than-sub experience that Freemium brings with it?
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I've done that multi-grind once. I never ever want to do it again. Bring on the unlocks!
 
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It's not about joining the guild- it's about not getting the annoying invitation. Were you here when we were all getting spammed invitations from sellers? It was horrible.
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Regarding the big dilemma about the Mount.. Just change it to 'Must have subscribed for X Days' instead of 'From Launch to F2P' because that is very vague and can cause confusion and upset. The game officially launched June 3rd, so that is the cut-off FYI. Head Start does not count. Now, let's go back a tad and just say if you subscribed 300 Days you get All Loyalty Perks as of current and the Mount. If you subscribed for 240 Days you get X rewards and up to X tier of Loyalty Perks. 180 Days, 120, 90,  60, 30 Days as well would each have a set amount of Loyalty Perk unlocks, as well as maybe some rewards for the more you subbed.
 
Loyalty Perks would also accumulate after F2P conversion similar to Rift in which a Signature Membership sub would add 30 days to the Loyalty Rewards tiers. 
 
A bonus would also be creating a Window for the Loyalty Perks and allowing Loyalty Perk Points to accumulate, and after you have reached a certain amount of Sub Days (Say 180 Days) you unlock the other half of Tier Perks. Then, you can just unlock whichever feature you want such as Guild Creation rather than having to sub 10+ times just to get the feature unlock you want.	
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			Limit f2p accounts from doing anything, imo.Punish the freeloaders harder than SWTOR.	
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Regarding the big dilemma about the Mount.. Just change it to 'Must have subscribed for X Days' instead of 'From Launch to F2P' because that is very vague and can cause confusion and upset. The game officially launched June 3rd, so that is the cut-off FYI. Head Start does not count. Now, let's go back a tad and just say if you subscribed 300 Days you get All Loyalty Perks as of current and the Mount. If you subscribed for 240 Days you get X rewards and up to X tier of Loyalty Perks. 180 Days, 120, 90, 60, 30 Days as well would each have a set amount of Loyalty Perk unlocks, as well as maybe some rewards for the more you subbed.
 
Loyalty Perks would also accumulate after F2P conversion similar to Rift in which a Signature Membership sub would add 30 days to the Loyalty Rewards tiers. 
 
A bonus would also be creating a Window for the Loyalty Perks and allowing Loyalty Perk Points to accumulate, and after you have reached a certain amount of Sub Days (Say 180 Days) you unlock the other half of Tier Perks. Then, you can just unlock whichever feature you want such as Guild Creation rather than having to sub 10+ times just to get the feature unlock you want.
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I would like to see sub players (sub meaning IRL monies or credd) able to farm cash shop currency at a much faster rate than free players.
 
This would also help make sure people continue to buy credd, because I am concerned about the credd market dropping off with this change, as the people who play for free currently are likely the first to play for free "for real" or whatever.
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			Please do something with the chat and chat channels, add restrictions to f2p players. Please don't leave chat unrestricted to f2p players, do something.	
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Limit f2p accounts from doing anything, imo.
Punish the freeloaders harder than SWTOR.
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			Excited for this!  I know a lot of people in my gaming circles who'll come back and try WildStar again when it happens.	
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Both of the games that went F2P while I was playing them in the last few years (SWTOR and TSW) did.
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I don't think players should lose out on something in this case. The game had some serious problems after launch. The players shouldn't be punished for deciding to leave a game that wasn't up to snuff. Loyalty =\= being blind to flaws. I hope they change the program.
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			I know that Champions Online did offer a stipend for quite a while for subscriptors. However, I also played TERA and I do not recall any stiped there. They gave some one-hour long buffs for XP and gold acquisition, an increased daily limit, a book that allowed you to teleport to any flight master in the world and a free mount as long as you were subscribed...but no a stiped for the cash shop.	
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TERA and Champions Online also did as well when I used to play them. Not sure about now, but they did at the time of their initial transition. I recall CoH having some form of compensation too as well if I recall correctly...
I think DC unicerse does something along those lines too, but I could be wrong on that one.
 
Most games I've played that go through it either convert remaining time  to cash shop currency and or offer an "allowance" for continuing as a sub usually in addition to the conversion.
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I honestly think it's unreasonable to assume we'll get a stipend. None of the games I've played that have gone F2P have offered such a thing, so it's just as likely that we won't get one as it is that we will.
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			When are the questions going to be addressed? Half the posts are repeats	
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Hey guys, we love the enthusiasm but please keep in mind this is for feedback regarding our announcement and everything related to it, not an in-depth discussion regarding other games. :) 
 
Thank you
- Team WildStar 	
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I'm curious what qualifies as being here "for launch". I wasn't here for the head start, though was here with the 7 day trial until I got the game shortly after. I believe that was still in the first month of launch.
 
Followup question. Will CREDD still exist in F2P as an alternative way to be a Signiture subscriber?
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When are the questions going to be addressed? Half the posts are repeats
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I know that Champions Online did offer a stipend for quite a while for subscriptors. However, I also played TERA and I do not recall any stiped there. They gave some one-hour long buffs for XP and gold acquisition, an increased daily limit, a book that allowed you to teleport to any flight master in the world and a free mount as long as you were subscribed...but no a stiped for the cash shop.
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I'd argue that's EXACTLY what loyalty is. Everyone loves their sports team when they are winning the championship, but the loyal fans will stick with them through the dumps as well.
 
That being said, I'm very meh about the mount, so I'm happy to let people share in its meh-ness. I'd love me an exclusive pet, though. The disco slug is not a bad start, but you can do better.
 
(I'll call my slug Disco-Stu)
http://i.imgur.com/JpDYnwB.gif
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It would be really nice if the account page explicitly stated which rewards you're entitled to...
 
The extra character and bag slots from having a "boxed copy" are confusing. My wife had been playing almost as long as me (unfortunately won't receive the mount though whereas I will) but she never received a physical box so how can we tell what she'll get once the transition comes. I really hope it's just the chosen nomenclature that's misleading..	
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It looks like a hybrid model and subs will still exist. 
 
Though if your not gating content, I'm not sure if this will even work. My other concern is weather or not Wildstar will have enough "whales" to really improve the experience. I love wildstar, I really do, but I'm also aware of how F2P really works and not just in theory. Players with money are expected to spend tons of more money while those who dont get to pad the sub numbers. As long as sales improve NCsoft wont care. I also have concerns if NCsoft is designing the system. Lineage is successful....in Korea. They have a track record of failing F2P (looking at COH here) in the west.	
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When are the questions going to be addressed? Half the posts are repeats
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You don't need to pay or devote time to a sports team to still be a fan of them and support them.
I remember getting into a discussion on what games we were playing/looking forward to play after midterms with some of my classmates, and I instantly suggested checking out the game to them.
But of course, since I was in the middle of midterms and thus swamped with work and decided I needed to not starve to death and miss rent that makes me a flighty ship jumper.
 
Do you not see how this is a burn to those who wanted nothing but to see the game thrive and *cupcake*ing acted on it?
Is Carbine the ONLY ONE here is allowed to *cupcake*up so consistently and still ask for more?
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I'd argue that's EXACTLY what loyalty is. Everyone loves their sports team when they are winning the championship, but the loyal fans will stick with them through the dumps as well.
 
That being said, I'm very meh about the mount, so I'm happy to let people share in its meh-ness. I'd love me an exclusive pet, though. The disco slug is not a bad start, but you can do better.
 
(I'll call my slug Disco-Stu)
http://i.imgur.com/JpDYnwB.gif
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Yes. Guilds, Arena Teams, Circles, you name it, goldfarmer assclowns were spamming it.
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Have you considered larceny? A truly loyal fan will turn to extreme ends to stay subscribed at all times!
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			In regard to the spam invites, perhaps having the "block random invites" option on by default would help? I think it is anyway...	
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The extra character and bag slots from having a "boxed copy" are confusing. My wife had been playing almost as long as me (unfortunately won't receive the mount though whereas I will) but she never received a physical box so how can we tell what she'll get once the transition comes. I really hope it's just the chosen nomenclature that's misleading..
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I'm super excited about this. I read somewhere that the fees for remaining subbed will be the same which I also plan on doing.
 
I can not wait to see what is in the cash shop. (Pristine Key Please)
 
Let's role this bad boy out sooner rather than later.
 
Is the sign up for closed beta to get people onto the PTR that we already use, or will it be a totally separate system? 
 
Thank you Wildstar Team for finally confirming the transition and what it means for all of us as players. Thank god Tony gets to stream again I miss seeing that guy!	
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			No currency earn limit. Zerg of bots farming 24/7 shiphands that will lead to currency devaluation.	
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When are the questions going to be addressed? Half the posts are repeats
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I'm sure the 12 character limit is in reference to how many characters can be created, but I have to ask anyways.
 
I'm one of the players that had many characters spread accross the PVE servers, pre Megaserver. I currently have 42 characters on Enitity. I have every intention of simply keeping my 12 year sub going. Will I still have access to ALL of my characters?	
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It looks like a hybrid model and subs will still exist. 
 
Though if your not gating content, I'm not sure if this will even work. My other concern is weather or not Wildstar will have enough "whales" to really improve the experience. I love wildstar, I really do, but I'm also aware of how F2P really works and not just in theory. Players with money are expected to spend tons of more money while those who dont get to pad the sub numbers. As long as sales improve NCsoft wont care. I also have concerns if NCsoft is designing the system. Lineage is successful....in Korea. They have a track record of failing F2P (looking at COH here) in the west.
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I think the simplest way to think about it is, if you paid for the game consider that a boxed copy. If you just get the f2p client, that's the other column :)
 
Hopefully I got that right.
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Hm, i kinda hoped that wouden happen, so when comes the next sub game?
 
Witcher Online?
 
Would be nice.
 
for me thats proberly the end for Wildstar but hey right know its still sub.	
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I see that no where...
free = 2 char
boxed = 12
 
boxed is something different then signature (sub)
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I think the simplest way to think about it is, if you paid for the game consider that a boxed copy. If you just get the f2p client, that's the other column :)
 
Hopefully I got that right.
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I don't believe in F2P. I spread my plat around to my guildmates, made a goodbye post on the guild forums and uninstalled the game.
 
I paid for 1 month of subscription with a credit card, the rest I paid with CREDDs. I don't really see how the F2P is going to make things freer, on the contrary. I played since launch and had a blast, so no hard feelings.
 
The game's problems are thanks to one of the shittiest mmo launch ever and some of the most retarded design choices seen in the history of mmos. The time/effort:reward ratios are still skewed, but in the launch and months after it they were some of the most horrible crap I've ever seen. 3xRNG on loot being one of the worst ones. Raid loot being worthless for months was also pretty awesome idea, eyh?
 
The game basically did everything it could to alienate every casual player and after that it proceeded and tried to alienate every hardcore player as well and succeeded in both, very well. So kudos for that.
 
So, I'm out and I wish you all good luck, you'll need it.	
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Well, congratulations, kids, you doomed another game to be an F2P cesspool of a "game." You can kiss any and all semblance of quality goodbye, as now the money doesn't come from retention, but instead milking whales. The game will be made to be so unbearable without paying that you'll be all but forced to pay.
 
Exclusively paid for content? Yeah, expect a lot of that. That new raid people are taking about? That'll be part of it.
 
Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised though. Games aren't made for the sake of gaming anymore. They're just a big cash grab.	
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Or, or! We could make them feel welcome and try to get them to actually enjoy the game enough to spend some money on it.
 
And demonstrate that we learned something about what happens when we try to shove everyone else out of the game.
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I don't believe in F2P. I spread my plat around to my guildmates, made a goodbye post on the guild forums and uninstalled the game.
 
I paid for 1 month of subscription with a credit card, the rest I paid with CREDDs. I don't really see how the F2P is going to make things freer, on the contrary. I played since launch and had a blast, so no hard feelings.
 
The game's problems are thanks to one of the shittiest mmo launch ever and some of the most retarded design choices seen in the history of mmos. The time/effort:reward ratios are still skewed, but in the launch and months after it they were some of the most horrible crap I've ever seen. 3xRNG on loot being one of the worst ones. Raid loot being worthless for months was also pretty awesome idea, eyh?
 
The game basically did everything it could to alienate every casual player and after that it proceeded and tried to alienate every hardcore player as well and succeeded in both, very well. So kudos for that.
 
So, I'm out and I wish you all good luck, you'll need it.
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CoH was making more money than ever when they shuttered it. NCSoft killed it for other reasons (that they've never been upfront about).
 
This system will be very much like CoH's conversion, where a lot of their money isn't made from whales necessarily, but from the differential between baseline and signature, and people buying unlocks for features they want when they want them and not all at once.
 
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			42 haha, that is wow.  I think the 12 limit is 6 classes, 2 factions.	
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Well, congratulations, kids, you doomed another game to be an F2P cesspool of a "game." You can kiss any and all semblance of quality goodbye, as now the money doesn't come from retention, but instead milking whales. The game will be made to be so unbearable without paying that you'll be all but forced to pay.
 
Exclusively paid for content? Yeah, expect a lot of that. That new raid people are taking about? That'll be part of it.
 
Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised though. Games aren't made for the sake of gaming anymore. They're just a big cash grab.
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			Please, please, PLEASE reconsider making determination for the Ikthian amount both about playtime AND money spent on Carbine directly while playing the game. I didn't get into WS until after a month or so from launch and wasn't allowed into the beta, but I have been throwing tons of money at Carbine directly without feeling bad doing so in a simple effort to support the game. I know the team needs all the help they can get and for such an awesome game I don't mind giving it. I saw that Ikthian mount and got all excited (I would KILL for that mount in RP) but given the circumstances only minor lapses would discredit me for it even though I've, as I feel, done my part to support Carbine. I have never paid for a single credd in plat to pay for my sub, I always pay money on purpose. Where the hookup at yo.	
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I'd prefer a dead game to a game with any kind of f2p component.
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Is "box-purchasers" only referring to physical copies of the game? If so, is there a plan to do anything for digital purchasers of the game in regards to character slots, costume slots, bank slots, and the number of decor items that can be place?
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Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised though. Games aren't made for the sake of gaming anymore. They're just a big cash grab.
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Hey, Carbine, questions here, it would be great if you could answer them.
 
I bought the game a couple months after launch, and within the free first month of the game, I had scrounged up enough gold for a CREDD coin, and then continued to do that every month. I currently have 13 CREDD coins. I have never paid a subscription, and I've never actually had a "subscription." My account's been active, but I've been using CREDD since day one of play.
 
Since I've never technically had a "subscription," since I've never actually paid a monthly fee, I'm not sure how that is gonna go with the change-over.
 
Your player appreciation post on your site says:
 
"If you missed out on launch but you're a current subscriber and maintain your subscription through transition to Free-To-Play, you will still receive the DJ Caretaker housing decor item, the Disco Snoglug companion pet, the new housing music track, four months of signature service, and the 'Nexus Loyalist' title."
 
Does this mount/decor/whatever reward also apply to people who are on "active" account through the transition, but with no "subscription," just time added via CREDD?
 
Second question.
 
Your "all you need to know" post says this:
 
"All accounts that have an active recurring payment method, CREDD redemption, or GTC redemption when the transition occurs will be considered active. These accounts will automatically convert to signature service, which will persist until their current "active period" ends.... Players with non-recurring payments, CREDD, or GTC will need to apply another payment to their account to continue using signature service..."
 
I just want a clarification that this means that we can continue as normal, using CREDD, that the CREDD we have saved up will not go away. And the wording is confusing; will we have to use a CREDD coin or actually pay as the changeover happens to stay as signature users? Or, if we are a player who has sustained themselves on CREDD since initial purchase, will there be no change?
 
Final question, One of my favorite things about the CREDD system is the ability to use it from the character selection window, from that pop-up prompt. Will that still be there?	
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Which is a new question: what content is being blocked off if nothing is restricted? Housing? Costumes? Mounts? Not sure if this is really enough. 
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It just means that the freeloaders, er, um. Free-to-play people cannot create a guild, or invite other to a guild.  They can be invited and play in a guild.
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Wow, I missed that completely. Well, that's a HUGE thing. Man, I hope that works out for them.
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