149130-did-everyone-go-to-blade-and-soul

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			I log in and their is no one online at all i seen like 3 people in town whats up lol.	
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I log in and their is no one online at all i seen like 3 people in town whats up lol.
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			Yeah, there are definitely some people who are still trying out BnS, but it's only been two days. Calm down.	
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If you're referring to the state of WS PvP, then yes people have jumped the ship. 
 
If you're all about PvP, Wildstar just isn't worth your time currently.	
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			I'm not there :P For what it's worth :)	
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I'm there, yeah. But definitely not leaving Wildstar :)
 
There are some stuff I like in BnS, like costumes (first time ever I soent money on cosmetics) and performance (no hiccups and double the fps compared to ws).	
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			Considering that game has already been out for 3 1/2 years, I would hope they have got alot of the performance bugs out.	
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			the hype kind of makes me want to download it but nah :lol:	
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			I think W* went to BnS tbh ... https://twitter.com/WildStarOps/status/690015987127730177	
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			I did the 3v3 arena yesterday, and I have to say, blows 3v3 arena here away.  It's not a 3v3 free for all, its a 3v3 wrestling match with tag ins and being able to interupt to create problems.  I think of pro wrestling when I see it.	
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			Oh that reminds me to go download now.  Thanks!	
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			OH, like to add, people will be back when they realize the pve aspect is just dailies and building up your character.  There's a lot of solo content but not a lot of endgame group which this game excels at.	
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I know a few peeps in my guild are trying it out (they at least still hop on to raid).
 
It still looks really bland for me - not a huge pvp person.	
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			No difference in entity as far as I can see	
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			Let's see... oh yet another Fantasy game (biggest sin) with race locked classes.  Yeah, no, not for me.	
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Currently trying to stomach my way through the dumbed-down, censored story-line. The localization team should be fired and never work again.
 
And what's with the last and first names of the NPC's being merged? That's just stupid.
			
				
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Currently trying to stomach my way through the dumbed-down, censored story-line. The localization team should be fired and never work again.
 
And what's with the last and first names of the NPC's being merged? That's just stupid.
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I did.
 
For like ... three hours.
 
I'm done now.  :lol:	
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To answer the OP:
 
No, not everyone. But certainly a lot of players do migrate to new MMORPGs when they come out. It's the double-edged sword of new games. Being the shiny one brings people in, but you can't stay the new game forever.
 
For those of you who haven't played any MMORPG but WoW in the last decade, here's how it generally goes down for small MMORPGs that are struggling to keep momentum.
New MMORPG is coming imminently. In Old MMORPG, the hype brigade dismissively focus on its flaws and insists nobody will bother with it. Doomcallers declare the impending collapse of the game. The two sides wage epic forum battle. Most players don't notice.
New MMORPG comes out. Old MMORPG's population noticeably contracts and content requiring large groups of players becomes more difficult to get into. The hype brigade claims to not notice any population decline, while bitterly reiterating New Game's flaws and insisting that people will be back. Doomcallers insist this wouldn't have happened if Old Game had only done things differently. The two sides wage epic forum battle. Most players are no longer around to notice.
New MMORPG has launch issues and turns out to not be a WoW killer after all, but most players who left do not return. The hype brigade declares itself validated. Doomcallers declare themselves validated. The two sides wage epic forum battle. Most players are still no longer around to notice. 
The remaining playerbase of Old MMORPG adjusts to the new reality. The game's cycle of updates slows, the scope of the updates shrinks. The hype brigade insists this was always the plan all along. Doomcallers declare the game to be dying. Most of the remaining players don't notice. The game continues to exist for as long as a few whales pay the electricity bills.
The next New Game appears on the horizon. The current New Game joins the ranks of the Old Games.
It's the circle of life.	
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No difference in entity as far as I can see
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To answer the OP:
 
No, not everyone. But certainly a lot of players do migrate to new MMORPGs when they come out. It's the double-edged sword of new games. Being the shiny one brings people in, but you can't stay the new game forever.
 
For those of you who haven't played any MMORPG but WoW in the last decade, here's how it generally goes down for small MMORPGs that are struggling to keep momentum.
New MMORPG is coming imminently. In Old MMORPG, the hype brigade dismissively focus on its flaws and insists nobody will bother with it. Doomcallers declare the impending collapse of the game. The two sides wage epic forum battle. Most players don't notice.
New MMORPG comes out. Old MMORPG's population noticeably contracts and content requiring large groups of players becomes more difficult to get into. The hype brigade claims to not notice any population decline, while bitterly reiterating New Game's flaws and insisting that people will be back. Doomcallers insist this wouldn't have happened if Old Game had only done things differently. The two sides wage epic forum battle. Most players are no longer around to notice.
New MMORPG has launch issues and turns out to not be a WoW killer after all, but most players who left do not return. The hype brigade declares itself validated. Doomcallers declare themselves validated. The two sides wage epic forum battle. Most players are still no longer around to notice. 
The remaining playerbase of Old MMORPG adjusts to the new reality. The game's cycle of updates slows, the scope of the updates shrinks. The hype brigade insists this was always the plan all along. Doomcallers declare the game to be dying. Most of the remaining players don't notice. The game continues to exist for as long as a few whales pay the electricity bills.
The next New Game appears on the horizon. The current New Game joins the ranks of the Old Games.
It's the circle of life.
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I did.
 
For like ... three hours.
 
I'm done now.  :lol:
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So, what's the tagline for Blade and Soul anyway? My guess is "Hey, guys! Boobs!"
 
I'll pass. 	
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So, what's the tagline for Blade and Soul anyway? My guess is "Hey, guys! Boobs!"
 
I'll pass. 
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			I made a character that looks mousy. That's as far as I got.	
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It was censored from Korea version?
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Actually, it seems they censored that because the max chest size is tame compared to Wildstar's.
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Not the outfits (thankfully) but the story. Here's a recap: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3twutd/censorship_blade_and_soul_censorship_approaching/
 
Are you really going to pass up a game just because it's marketing showed tits? LMAO! It would be the best MMO you ever played but you missed it because you have an issue with mammary glands.  :lol:
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Are you really going to pass up a game just because it's marketing showed tits? LMAO! It would be the best MMO you ever played but you missed it because you have an issue with mammary glands.  :lol:
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			So, they took a virtual lingerie catalog and jiggle simulator and censored it for Western audiences? This seems counterproductive, since everything else about the game looks so generic in the images and gameplay videos I've seen. But, I'm not one to judge how people have fun. If people enjoy it, great! It just doesn't appeal to me. 	
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Yes and no...
 
Some people have gone over to BnS to various degrees to try, stay, or leave after their honeymoon period. You'll see some people return after awhile and some may not just like with any release of a new game. You'll always see some kind of dent put in a population of one or more playerbases when something new comes out. 
 
In regard to the BnS itself, you can make a "modest"(this term may vary between us, but generally define it as not too strong in showing skin in a provocative manner or in reference to breasts having them very large.) character if you wish to and quite a few outfits are more modest than others. The game has a heavy esport atmosphere which works out pretty well because of how pvp is setup, but pve is more of a "standard" theme park in most aspects that can vary to a degree, but combat is actually nice. With that said everyone has major or minor things that they love or hate and can be the deciding factor for them, just like some people don't want to bother with BnS because they think it's all about the boobies; Some people don't want to bother with Wildstar because it's too cartoony. Different strokes for different folks as they say right? The game is free and people are free to try it if they wish to or not; Nothing wrong with folks not wanting to be surrounded by a particular aesthetic.
 
I myself have been in BnS for years so I'm pretty much in the same place as I was even before it released NA, just now...I don't have to deal with horrendous lag. Regardless though of BnS or any other game, Wildstar right now for lack of a better word is "silent". I am still keeping an eye on possible announcements and such, but I'm personally just not motivated to log in anymore like I used to be. It happens...all you can do is just try to go with the flow of it and enjoy the game as best you can.	
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OK, I managed to log into B&S and it's a glorious start:
-chat: EXCLUSIVELY (no joke, exclusively) made of gold sellers replies every 0.5 second
-interface: Oh god... OH GOD!! Never ever complain about Wildstar UI again.
-keybindings: no way to bind mouse buttons, the sprint button can't be changed (or if it can, I haven't found it so I use the double press on the forward key to do it)
-intro: boring and uninspired
 
So far, it's absolutely not promising for me. Even the original tutorial of Star Trek Online was better than this.	
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OK, I managed to log into B&S and it's a glorious start:
-chat: EXCLUSIVELY (no joke, exclusively) made of gold sellers replies every 0.5 second
-interface: Oh god... OH GOD!! Never ever complain about Wildstar UI again.
-keybindings: no way to bind mouse buttons, the sprint button can't be changed (or if it can, I haven't found it so I use the double press on the forward key to do it)
-intro: boring and uninspired
 
So far, it's absolutely not promising for me. Even the original tutorial of Star Trek Online was better than this.
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			Nobody could have left for BnS because the queue times there are so long nobody can get in. :p	
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I've been playing it for 3 days now... The leveling is absolutely atrocious. A bajillion fetch quests, for example.
 
Haven't tried the pvp yet, not sure if I will, still having a blast with Wildstar.	
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Lol, you are over-exaggerating .
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			I was considering trying the localised version of BnS (I tried the Japanese one and the Ping made it completely unplayable) but I decided to have a complete fresh start on WildStar instead. BnS has a nice art style but it just didn't feel like my type of game regardless of whether I could play or not. I much prefer the cartoony style of WildStar.As for the population difference I didn't notice any difference on Entity. Still enough players to make my framerate plummet near the Illium Contracts board and I saw a few people in Crimson Badlands and Whitevale as well. I wasn't playing at peak time either.Also is anyone else having issues with the BnS forums? On my laptop the pages look like a Word document  <_< A very poorly formatted Word document.	
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Welp, if B&S goes tits up, at least they shouldn't have to worry about drowning...  
 
 	
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I think BnS must be getting some players from us, 'cause right now Illium's hotspot has 26 people nearby for Dominion (Thursday night). I know it's a common raid night but that's about half the number of people who've been around every other night this week, and I believe Tuesday is also a common raid night.
 
I personally thought BnS looked a bit like poo. That said, I usually get caught up in new MMO hype and try them all out, so that could be what's going on. I expect a bunch will leave within a week, and if we get Drop 7 info by February, that will likely bring folks back as well.
 
 
update:  5 minutes later and there are 16 people nearby. >_>
			
				
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A new moon rises.  Tide goes out a little further.  The "New moon" smell fades.  Tide rolls back in.  
 	
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			I installed it today. tried to play it. got a massive queue and i uninstaled. :D	
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A new moon rises.  Tide goes out a little further.  The "New moon" smell fades.  Tide rolls back in.  
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			Basically another fantasy MMO which the market is fill up with, wildstar at least is special with it being sci-fi. It is also more modern than starwars the old republic, which gets it's combat system from the earlier single player starwars the old republic games which came out more than 10 years ago. 	
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Basically another fantasy MMO which the market is fill up with, wildstar at least is special with it being sci-fi. It is also more modern than starwars the old republic, which gets it's combat system from the earlier single player starwars the old republic games which came out more than 10 years ago. 
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Eh, some people aren't into that. Who are you to criticize what draws someone to a game? Also since a lot of people are talking about it, I learned that the game isn't for people who like PvE so that's why I'm not playing it. I might go in and play with Character Creation but that's about it.
 
Though if there was no options to make a modest looking character, then that would be a turnoff for me. I don't mind curvy, but I like being able to cover myself up when the mood the strikes me.
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There's definitely an over saturation of fantasy MMOs on the market. But Wildstar isn't really that sci-fi either, it's more of a fantasy sci-fi hybrid. Wildstar has runes (a huge fantasy cliche), spells, warriors with swords (albeit tech swords), espers and spellslingers and plenty of zones that fit the fantasy stereotype (eg Deradune, Celestion, Wilderrun etc). Don't get me wrong, it's an enjoyable theme, but it's not really very sci-fi.
 
Wildstar's combat is entertaining, but it still tends to play out like a fantasy game because most classes are short range / melee and even those with more reach essentially rely on fantasy stereotypes (esper pets, spellslinger spells and engineer bots which are essentially mechanical pets). And yes, SWTOR is in the same boat, a hybrid, even those classes equipped with blasters and guns are using them at point blank range most of the time because of the archaic and mostly static combat system.
 
I wish a studio were brave enough to make a true sci-fi MMO and keep all fantasy elements out of it, with lots of tech, mech and proper ranged combat etc.
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EvE. 
 
Bring your own lube and don't expect dinner first.  
 
You know.. . so I've heard...   and stuff..
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There's definitely an over saturation of fantasy MMOs on the market. But Wildstar isn't really that sci-fi either, it's more of a fantasy sci-fi hybrid. Wildstar has runes (a huge fantasy cliche), spells, warriors with swords (albeit tech swords), espers and spellslingers and plenty of zones that fit the fantasy stereotype (eg Deradune, Celestion, Wilderrun etc). Don't get me wrong, it's an enjoyable theme, but it's not really very sci-fi.
 
Wildstar's combat is entertaining, but it still tends to play out like a fantasy game because most classes are short range / melee and even those with more reach essentially rely on fantasy stereotypes (esper pets, spellslinger spells and engineer bots which are essentially mechanical pets). And yes, SWTOR is in the same boat, a hybrid, even those classes equipped with blasters and guns are using them at point blank range most of the time because of the archaic and mostly static combat system.
 
I wish a studio were brave enough to make a true sci-fi MMO and keep all fantasy elements out of it, with lots of tech, mech and proper ranged combat etc.
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Well EVE doesn't have any out of ship combat (last I looked in on it anyway). And yeah, it's not the sort of game anyone can easily jump into as a novice anymore unless you just want to mine asteroids with a police escort :)
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Can try Anarchy Online, Defiance, or Star Trek...
 
Maybe fallen earth? I never played it...and.........................................earth rise?
 
I would say can look at Warhammer 40k, but that is...like a mix of fantasy and tech...Dark magitech? Think thats a term.
			
				
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			There are actually magic being used in warhammer 40k, warp magic. 	
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There are actually magic being used in warhammer 40k, warp magic. 
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Why are you contradicting yourself? You said you were going to pass because of "boobs" not the PVE. And now you're saying you want to play around with the character creator after saying that the tits are what's turning you off? Are you just going to make male characters or are you BSing us? And you can make "modest" characters btw so you don't have to get traumatized over some tits. If you believe in god or some type of deity you should take it up with him for making the human body so incredibly offensive.  :rolleyes:
 
Also, I can criticize whatever I want and I don't care if sensitive people get offended by it.
 
Way to repeat misinformation. Only the story is censored, not the costumes. Also why does boob jiggle bug you? They jiggle in real life too. Does you mother cover your eyes when that happens so your'e not really used to it and it freaks you out?
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Why are you contradicting yourself? You said you were going to pass because of "boobs" not the PVE. And now you're saying you want to play around with the character creator after saying that the tits are what's turning you off? Are you just going to make male characters or are you BSing us? And you can make "modest" characters btw so you don't have to get traumatized over some tits. If you believe in god or some type of deity you should take it up with him for making the human body so incredibly offensive.  :rolleyes:
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I installed it today. tried to play it. got a massive queue and i uninstaled. :D
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I never know whether to find posts like this amusing or distressing, given how long the queues were for this game during its F2P relaunch.
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i cant get me to login again after the tutorial. long queues, worse fighting system and i dont want to play a melee char so i wanted to play a summoner which can only be played by this tiny people race.
So i chose the mage class (however its called) and it does not feel too fun by now.
might check it out again on weekend but from what i hear this game is full casual/pvp and yea no thanks. i want to raid and be challenged by hard content, not a pvp guy.	
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			Might have give this game a try but I don't really like to play another fantasy MMO and abandoning my Aurins. These tiny people also looks like 8 year olds and they are the only range characters.	
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If you must know, it all comes down to this, depicting women as things to be ogled at, instead of as people, doesn't appeal to me, and that's what every single promotional image and video I've seen for Blade and Soul does. Objectifying women is a major intent of Blade and Soul, if not the whole point. A simple Google image search of "Blade and Soul" and "WildStar" is an example of why I'm here and not there. 
 
That said, I'm not a prude, and it's not like I think there's no place for sexiness in video games, but when it seems to be the entire reason for a game's existence... I dunno, maybe if I were still a frustrated 15-year-old, but not now. And as I've said before, I don't judge how others choose to have fun. If Blade and Soul is your deal, fine. I'm glad. Have fun. But, for me, I have no interest in it.
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Tsunami?
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I think the past few years of crappy game releases like Wildstar, SWTOR, TSW have made me not want to try out any new MMOs anymore.  I installed B&S last night, made two characters and only a minute into the game i logged.  But that was partly because i had to go to sleep but i wasnt really super excited to be playing a new MMO.
 
https://youtu.be/oF0bGC2vmb8?t=108
 
Tried it out after seeing you guys mention it and then i saw that video.  I dont care if a game is fantasy or sci-fi and i've already played a bunch of fantasy or sci-fi games already.  A lot of the characters seem to be overly sexualized and are too anime-ish but again...i dont give a shit about that.  I can look past that and find the stuff that i really like.  According to that YT video PVE seems to be the same thing you see in any MMO.  But the guy seems to think that the combat system is pretty good.  He also said that the PVP is really good or that balancing is super tight.  Too bad i dont PVP anymore but for those of you interested in that stuff check it out.  The guy in the video described PVP as "playing a fighting game like Street Fighter, but with MMO sensibilities".  So it seems like PVP is more about player skill and counterplay rather than gear.
 
https://youtu.be/oF0bGC2vmb8?t=245
 
There's the part of the video where he is doing what looks like a 1v1 arena.  Its a duel but not like 2 people outside of Ironforge dueling it out, it seems like an organized duel with first to get 2 wins is the champion or whatevers.  Anyways gonna try seeing if i can get into the game and play it for a bit.	
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Soooooo...playing the game right now and got past the intro at the Hong Moon school and holy balls this game...i dont even...what the...o.O
 
Nah, but seriously though that was a really good intro/first zone.  Probably one of the best first 5-10 minutes of play i've had in a long time.  Better then the first time i played WS, SWTOR, GW2, TSW and STO.  Even though WoW was pretty old back when i first played it was my first MMO ever and nothing beats getting buzzed by a Gryphon Taxi flying 10 feet overhead as your level 5 human toon runs on the Elwynn Forest roads.  So i cant say that my first time playing B&S beats my first time playing WoW hehe.  At level 1-2 the combat seem pretty fun when compared to other games at that same level.  I like the VO work at the beginning and the way the quest interface looks.  I just hope it doesnt go away at higher levels and gets replaced with simple text quests and no more VO.  Ohh and also...the sprinting AND the gliding.
 
I would say that anybody who is hung up on appearances like "its just another fantasy game", or oily boobs, or the anime look should give the game a try and just try to ignore that stuff.  I'm gonna create another toon this one a caster one since my first one was an Assassin and see that intro again. I may play this game all weekend and depending on how i feel about it i may even sub. I just hope i dont hit a point where its like ohh now the game sucks all of the sudden, wtf happened.  But i'll see how it goes....	
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I like the VO work at the beginning and the way the quest interface looks.  I just hope it doesnt go away at higher levels and gets replaced with simple text quests and no more VO.
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I have bad news for you. Some VO already started to go away at level 4. :(
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Got to lvl 4 before I realised I cannot be bothered to level in another mmo for the hundredth time.
 
I can see now why people spend £40 on character boosts (tho I'd sooner quit then spend that amount.)	
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			Just an Asian theme fantasy game that has weird models. Do like the oily tits but I prefer guns and vehicle mounts. I'm not even sure there are even houses in that game.	
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OK, I managed to log into B&S and it's a glorious start:
-chat: EXCLUSIVELY (no joke, exclusively) made of gold sellers replies every 0.5 second
-interface: Oh god... OH GOD!! Never ever complain about Wildstar UI again.
-keybindings: no way to bind mouse buttons, the sprint button can't be changed (or if it can, I haven't found it so I use the double press on the forward key to do it)
-intro: boring and uninspired
 
So far, it's absolutely not promising for me. Even the original tutorial of Star Trek Online was better than this.
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As a matter of fact i did, already lvl 30 destroyer in 3 days, enjoying the story, had my first 1 v1 arena and cupcake won it   :P
 
It plays like Tera but way better in everything even in the pervert department hahaha XD
 
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			I dont care about blade and soul.	
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I can sum up the current state of Blade & Soul in two simple phrases:
 
Load Screens and Gold Spammers.
 
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			I want people to try B&S just to realize how good Wildstar actually is and everything it brings so people love this game even more, stay and bring in alot more people.
			
				
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I want people to try B&S just to realize how good Wildstar actually is and everything it brings so people love this game even more, stay and bring in alot more people.
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But what if those people find B&S to be better, more populated, and less buggy than Wildstar?
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meh, just let people play what people want to play, don't worry about it. They'll either like BnS more, like Wildstar more, want to play both, or not play either. You never know :)
 
Regard to gold spam, i put region in it's own tab and load screensI'm not sure what to say about. Like are you stuck at a load screen?
As for queues, I made a secondary character to play with people on the new servers they added and they didn't seem to have any queue line at all, but still a lot of players present(they're not premiums).	
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			Meh, I'm tired of these MMOs. I'm stopping for good, until we can finally have a badass Pokémon MMO <3 lol
			
				
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But what if those people find B&S to be better, more populated, and less buggy than Wildstar?
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Meh, I'm tired of these MMOs. I'm stopping for good, until we can finally have a badass Pokémon MMO <3 lol
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I'm very curious about Pokemon GO, which i believe will release in March(?) this year. Is an interesting concept that will probably yeild equally interesting results. "News at 10! Teenagers arrested for trespassing on private property for a pikachu!"
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I installed it today. tried to play it. got a massive queue and i uninstaled. :D
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			There will always be queues at launch. Why is anyone even surprised at this point? Just wait a few weeks for the initial rush to receed; unless you only have one month to live, what's the hurry? Game will still be there.... but maybe those damn teleporting Destroyer bots won't be. :P	
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There will always be queues at launch. Why is anyone even surprised at this point? Just wait a few weeks for the initial rush to receed; unless you only have one month to live, what's the hurry? Game will still be there.... but maybe those damn teleporting Destroyer bots won't be. :P
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There will always be queues at launch. Why is anyone even surprised at this point? Just wait a few weeks for the initial rush to receed; unless you only have one month to live, what's the hurry? Game will still be there.... but maybe those damn teleporting Destroyer bots won't be. :P
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			After playing for a while not interested, seems like another mist of pandaria. And it seems they want you to pay to cut queue which means another P2W in a F2P game. I expect the F2P supporters would leave in disgust.	
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I can sum up the current state of Blade & Soul in two simple phrases:
 
Load Screens and Gold Spammers.
 
 :lol:
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			Also...in regards to the queue times i havent seen any yet but thats cause my playtime is early AM pst (yay graveshifters!!! Zzzzzzzz).  But if i start to get too many queues the way i figure is i was here for WS launch and i paid a sub.  I think i can afford to pay a sub for B&S too if that means i have no queue wait times.  See the good thing about subscriptions is that if I dont like the game I can cancel it...yah i think i read that somewhere.	
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			I joined Jiwan, the unofficial RP server, and I never had a queue ... ever. 	
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<Ascent> is on Yehara.
 
No one quit wildstar for Blade and Soul, we sill make all our raid times.  So we are still here.
 
That said a good number of us are playing BnD during non-raid times.
 
It's more fun than a 15 minute STL for the 1000th time.	
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The voice acting in this game just gets comically worse and worse with each zone you get to.  It's actually quite fun just because of that.
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			The voice acting in this game just gets comically worse and worse with each zone you get to.  It's actually quite fun just because of that.	
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I joined Jiwan, the unofficial RP server, and I never had a queue ... ever. 
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			i have no plans to play BnS. it just doesn't appeal to me.. but i'm not currently playing Wildstar either. i'm cautiously waiting and watching to see what happens. i dont really feel like investing money or time on a game which does not appear to have much of a future currently. 	
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i have no plans to play BnS. it just doesn't appeal to me.. but i'm not currently playing Wildstar either. i'm cautiously waiting and watching to see what happens. i dont really feel like investing money or time on a game which does not appear to have much of a future currently. 
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Well, when the Devs popped in yesterday they said there was big, exciting news coming shortly. Whatever miscommunications Carbine has had, I seriously doubt they'd use those words to describe an imminent shutdown.  :lol:
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i have no plans to play BnS. it just doesn't appeal to me.. but i'm not currently playing Wildstar either. i'm cautiously waiting and watching to see what happens. i dont really feel like investing money or time on a game which does not appear to have much of a future currently. 
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If investment is driving your motivation to play a game, I think there's a problem... :P
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but i'm not currently playing Wildstar either. i'm cautiously waiting and watching to see what happens. i dont really feel like investing money or time on a game which does not appear to have much of a future currently. 
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			Entity is still pretty crowded, to make F2P work they really have to draw more players in so the certain % that spend money will increase.	
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For me I have a different outlook as I play games to have fun so im pretty much getting my investment out of Wildstar and wither the game is closing or not I will keep playing as long as im having fun.
 
I don't know what else you want to get out of it, I don't see any reason why not to play unless your bored of the game. 
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			yep. kissed wildstar goodbye cuz warhound's dead	
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 I made a character played for a few minutes...logged and decided i wasn't interested in the game...
So for me the best part of the game is character creation but that was about it.
 
No housing...no thanks. Besides i hated the running animations which is a deal breaker for me.	
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All of this sounds so familiar.....
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pretty much.
Playing both games atm.	
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If investment is driving your motivation to play a game, I think there's a problem... :P
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			Meh, it's just something to try for a while, can't see myself playing it past leveling up, and even that is cringeworthy at times. WS is the first and only MMO I got hooked on since WoW, and I've tried them all.	
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 I made a character played for a few minutes...logged and decided i wasn't interested in the game...
So for me the best part of the game is character creation but that was about it.
 
No housing...no thanks. Besides i hated the running animations which is a deal breaker for me.
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Hey, who are you to judge other people's life priorities? To some people, MMO is their life. Without it, they're not whole; without it, their lives turn upside down. Their entire emotional well-bring hinges on whether MMO of choice remains in tact, welcoming them daily with warm embrace login rewards.
 
I'm surprise Weird Al or Tenacious D haven't wrote a song about MMO players yet.
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Hey, who are you to judge other people's life priorities? To some people, MMO is their life. Without it, they're not whole; without it, their lives turn upside down. Their entire emotional well-bring hinges on whether MMO of choice remains in tact, welcoming them daily with warm embrace login rewards.
 
I'm surprise Weird Al or Tenacious D haven't wrote a song about MMO players yet.
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			No, it's meant to be a satire. :P	
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No, it's meant to be a satire. :P
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 I made a character played for a few minutes...logged and decided i wasn't interested in the game...
So for me the best part of the game is character creation but that was about it.
 
No housing...no thanks. Besides i hated the running animations which is a deal breaker for me.
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			B&S is just not for me,  not a fan of the plastic skin looking unreal engine or the class combos. Also the story is just not good at all.	
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Glad to see I wasn't the only one who thought the running animation was laughable
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			I personally couldn't get into B&S. I had invites into the last couple beta weekends before launch. I leveled a Blade Master to around 30ish and decided I wasn't having fun. It felt like I was running down a hallway while poking my head into a closet every instanced section.	
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			Look at it this way WOW is pretty much the king of fantasy MMO despite upstarts like guild war 2 and now blade and soul. Wildstar only has to compete aginst Sci-fi MMO like SWTOR so the market for Sci-fi MMO is pretty small compared to fantasy MMO which is huge.	
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Look at it this way WOW is pretty much the king of fantasy MMO despite upstarts like guild war 2 and now blade and soul. Wildstar only has to compete aginst Sci-fi MMO like SWTOR so the market for Sci-fi MMO is pretty small compared to fantasy MMO which is huge.
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Yah, but i actually wonder what percentage of all MMO players (or even the WS playerbase) care if the game is fantasy based, sci-fi/sci-fantasy or reality based.  There are players that do care about that stuff, but are they the minority or majority?
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Yah, but i actually wonder what percentage of all MMO players (or even the WS playerbase) care if the game is fantasy based, sci-fi/sci-fantasy or reality based.  There are players that do care about that stuff, but are they the minority or majority?
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			Hey, I didn't go to Blade and Soul.....instead, I went to Star Ocean: The Last Hope International :P	
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Haha guess who I found....
 
 
 
 
 	
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And a secondary question: do they care about it so much that they absolutely will not play anything other than their preferred setting?
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And a secondary question: do they care about it so much that they absolutely will not play anything other than their preferred setting?
I find high fantasy settings to be terribly overdone. They bore me. But not so much that I won't give them a try if there's good reviews of the game or something different about them.
 
There's really not a lot of Western games that do Wuxia-themed fantasy, so BnS doesn't trigger that kind of "Arrrrgh not more wizards and dragons" response in me to nearly the same degree that a game like Rift or LotRO did.
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Haha guess who I found....
 
 
 
 
 
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			I went to BNS to see what the hype was about. I was lured in by the character customization and couldn't stop playing because the combat was really fun. But the honeymoon is already over. I don't like my progression through the game being stopped at level 20 because I need a RNG drop from a dungeon. Even better, you have to bid your money on it to win the item?! I don't think I've ever encountered a system I've ever disliked more than that. Very disappointing. 	
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			Does look like they took a page from WOW free to try which also happens to be cap at lvl 20. That is not a F2P game.	
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I went to BNS to see what the hype was about. I was lured in by the character customization and couldn't stop playing because the combat was really fun. But the honeymoon is already over. I don't like my progression through the game being stopped at level 20 because I need a RNG drop from a dungeon. Even better, you have to bid your money on it to win the item?! I don't think I've ever encountered a system I've ever disliked more than that. Very disappointing. 
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			Basically you have to pay to lvl up otherwise prepare to grind for a very very long time, not a paywall but a very steep climb.	
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Basically you have to pay to lvl up otherwise prepare to grind for a very very long time, not a paywall but a very steep climb.
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That is not true, Im currently level 36 and been playing maybe.. 24 hours played? So no, its not very steep. Non-premium
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The leveling game isn't steep at all, I agree. The steepness occurs at endgame, and the game now lets you blast through the leveling game to get there.
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Ah yes, the Blackram Narrows drop annoyed the crap outta me, but after 11 runs me and my levling partner finally got it. At least you got a 400 hp boost doing it 10 times :P Also, you can use Brilliant keys to guarentee the drop for your  class. You can obtain said keys from daily quests in Viridian Coast.
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			I'm trying out BnS as my new flavor of the week (weeks? We'll see). I have to get back to my housing commitments though :), so not leaving. BnS also lacks anything of that kind sooooo yeah. Once I finish the story and get bored of dueling my friends I think BnS will be done for me.	
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That actually shows a very big problem with the bidding system: if you are the only class that can use an item, the game doesn't care. ANYONE can bid. In the last run I did an assassin's dagger dropped. We had only one assassin. But other two folks didn't pass on it and instead kept pushing the bid up until the guy was paying three silver (something that doesn't look like much but that game is very miserly with money drops until end-game, or so they say). Three silver for something that would have been free for him in any other game.
And in case anyone is wondering, the weapons from that dungeon are not tradeable or sellable.
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Nope, it was peak time last time I check. No difference at thayd, obviously you went in to check during office/school hours.
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I did not "go into check". I just play the game.
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That actually shows a very big problem with the bidding system: if you are the only class that can use an item, the game doesn't care. ANYONE can bid. In the last run I did an assassin's dagger dropped. We had only one assassin. But other two folks didn't pass on it and instead kept pushing the bid up until the guy was paying three silver (something that doesn't look like much but that game is very miserly with money drops until end-game, or so they say). Three silver for something that would have been free for him in any other game.
And in case anyone is wondering, the weapons from that dungeon are not tradeable or sellable.
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Sounds like a good way to grief people, more than anything else. Making you able to deny and steal loot from newer and casual players just from being a veteran player with some money and a bad attitude. "You don't deserve this loot so I'm gonna take it and sell it to a vendor!" or "Haha that thing you really wanted dropped but I'm gonna take it and destroy it and you can't stop me lolololol"
 
Anyway I don't like korean games so I'm not even gonna try it.
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You are over-exaggerating 
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And a secondary question: do they care about it so much that they absolutely will not play anything other than their preferred setting?
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And a secondary question: do they care about it so much that they absolutely will not play anything other than their preferred setting?
I find high fantasy settings to be terribly overdone. They bore me. But not so much that I won't give them a try if there's good reviews of the game or something different about them.
 
There's really not a lot of Western games that do Wuxia-themed fantasy, so BnS doesn't trigger that kind of "Arrrrgh not more wizards and dragons" response in me to nearly the same degree that a game like Rift or LotRO did.
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Hey, I didn't go to Blade and Soul.....instead, I went to Star Ocean: The Last Hope International :P
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That actually shows a very big problem with the bidding system: if you are the only class that can use an item, the game doesn't care. ANYONE can bid. In the last run I did an assassin's dagger dropped. We had only one assassin. But other two folks didn't pass on it and instead kept pushing the bid up until the guy was paying three silver (something that doesn't look like much but that game is very miserly with money drops until end-game, or so they say). Three silver for something that would have been free for him in any other game.
And in case anyone is wondering, the weapons from that dungeon are not tradeable or sellable.
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			i got 50 silver out of a guy today up bidding on an item i already had. Wurf	
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			Smart or not, we still need to spend money so as to not get bullied by those jerks or try our luck not to meet them. Not going to spend money for BnS for this kind of system.	
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i got 50 silver out of a guy today up bidding on an item i already had. Wurf
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 B)  they money is very stingey till 50 yeah.  Leveling to 30 (with expenses of course), being smart, you'd have less than 1 gold.  You can make 7g in dailies at max level.  They aren't trivial dailies like wildstar's but it can be done.
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			BnS is the same crapy game is was 4 yrs ago. The games that nc soft go like this can be awesome but yea we are to lazy so bugs all day every day (they dont break the game but yea) and all wow did was not let bugs happen free games suuuuuuck	
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			I would pay 60 bucks for this game if it didnt have all the bugs also even at free i still dont want to spend money because ever one said bye!! 	
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This is missing the point. BnS is not Wildstar, and raidlogging is not a viable option there. The game is designed so that NPC vendors give you almost no money in return for buying your stuff, you're meant to sell it through the in game marketplace. If you refuse to participate in the crafting game and the in-game player economy, then you can't compete economically.
 
The idea would be to make the systems genuinely interdependent so that you have a good reason to not just do one thing and ignore all other aspects of the game.
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i got 50 silver out of a guy today up bidding on an item i already had. Wurf
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			Bid system sucks. It looks as if you can exploit with gold sellers, buy gold from them cheap and then out bid the item if it is rare and then sell it at a high price at the market. With enough gold you can get good gear from biding or the market so economics wins.	
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			I logged in there, looked at the chat, logged out. Way too many goldseller over there, I can't really digest it :D	
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BnS is not my game, don`t like this kind of asia style ... but nevertheless i`ve quit W* because the PVP is complete death ...
 
dev`s don`t care about the horrible BOT invasion in every BG	
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I tried BnS a little bit yesterday. It feels really outdated, and the UI is messy and inconsistent. It's just not catching me.
 
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BnS is not my game, don`t like this kind of asia style ... but nevertheless i`ve quit W* because the PVP is complete death ...
 
dev`s don`t care about the horrible BOT invasion in every BG
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BnS is not my game, don`t like this kind of asia style ... but nevertheless i`ve quit W* because the PVP is complete death ...
 
dev`s don`t care about the horrible BOT invasion in every BG
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The bots are gone now :) 
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			Started playing it yesterday on Mushin. Pretty fun game, I'm enjoying it quite a lot. It's the first Korean mmo that I've enjoyed. I can see why people like it. Also, they have a race that looks pretty similar to Aurin, which is a big plus for me :lol:	
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What I didn't like:
 
*Solid wall of gold seller spam 24/7.
 
*Bidding system on dungeon loot.
 
What I did like:
 
* Character creation: The most versatile I've yet encountered.
 
* Did enjoy the play style of a few classes I tried, Summoner, Force Master and Destroyer
 
General Verdict: It was sort of fun, but I'm back at Wildstar :)	
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			Gold seller spam is most annoying part of BnS - i hope they control it.  I just turn zone/faction chat off :S	
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			Doesn't look too bad now that I got around the bidding issue, got some good gears from the market as well while making my character look like a slut with costumes.  Do saw a bunch of cry babies when I outbid them, but they should have farm more or do more crafting so they can bid with more coins. 
			
				
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I guess we just need to strip down and oil up all the females in WS to get the BnS players back.
 
On the other hand, if that's all it takes to get them back, I'm OK with them staying gone. 	
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There might be other reasons, like the art style being basically anime-ish, the character creator and that it's dungeons are much more forgiving. :pThere's also the little detail that Blade and Soul's combat feels and sounds better. I'm not sure if it PLAYS better yet, but every class I tried in that game makes you feel pretty powerful. The animations, the effects and the sounds all achieve that.
 
Unlike Wildstar, where sound effects from skills can be summarized as "Woosh! Woosh!" and "Pew Pew Pew!"	
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			Still high fantasy, doubt other high fantasy MMOs players would want to invest into blade and soul unless they had no updated content for a long time like WOW. Don't really think I would want to leave wildstar since there is no hosuing, mounts and even pets.
			
				
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There's also the little detail that Blade and Soul's combat feels and sounds better. 
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The interaction of different states wouldn't be so bad if it isn't for that UI and keybinds. Wish I could ala carte bind some of the abilities.
 
Also wtb vacuum loot. :P	
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			I think most just went there for the Kung Fu Style and the nice body models.	
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Still high fantasy, doubt other high fantasy MMOs players would want to invest into blade and soul unless they had no updated content for a long time like WOW. Don't really think I would want to leave wildstar since there is no hosuing, mounts and even pets.
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I mean... ultimately wildstar has two great things BnS does not have, that's raiding and housing.
 
Personally, i think datascape progression is an amazing experience and anyone who has that level of time and commitment possible should do it!
 
Wildstar housing is also frickin amazing.  The stuff people build is actually really special.  If you want to build, visit, hang out, or commission, it's really special.
 
That said, once you have been playing a year, you wonder why you would ever do content besides datascape.  I really don't know myself.	
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I came to Wildstar for everything that is Wildstar.
 
Sci Fi Humor Cartoonish Fireflyish MMo.  Soul Blade has none of that and fits a very different player group all together.  I have no desire to even watch a promo video of Blade and soul let alone leave wildstar.	
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I look at BnS as a fighting game MMO such as Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter.  Especially in arena, with combos and counters.  Look at as that, and not an actual MMO, and can enjoy it.  They also put in today's update to limit that you have to be level 10 to do faction/region chat so that should help with the spammers.  
 
I'm not leaving Wildstar, but it's a casual game (if you don't mind the endgame grind for gold/loot) that I can do in my offtime away from Wildstar.
 
The bid system for loot has it's pluses and negatives, makes it so if you really want something, you can purchase it.  But, than get douches to upsell you just to get an item you want and they don't need.  Seen one class bid up a weapon for another class just because that guy wanted money and wanted him to pay.  Maybe if they limit the weapons to bid between same classes first and other classes can't bid it up, be ok.  Right now, there's a crafting recipe that sells for 80-100g on the ah there, and if it drops, people bid it up because they know someone will pay for it.  	
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I look at BnS as a fighting game MMO such as Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter.  Especially in arena, with combos and counters.  Look at as that, and not an actual MMO, and can enjoy it.  They also put in today's update to limit that you have to be level 10 to do faction/region chat so that should help with the spammers.  
 
I'm not leaving Wildstar, but it's a casual game (if you don't mind the endgame grind for gold/loot) that I can do in my offtime away from Wildstar.
 
The bid system for loot has it's pluses and negatives, makes it so if you really want something, you can purchase it.  But, than get douches to upsell you just to get an item you want and they don't need.  Seen one class bid up a weapon for another class just because that guy wanted money and wanted him to pay.  Maybe if they limit the weapons to bid between same classes first and other classes can't bid it up, be ok.  Right now, there's a crafting recipe that sells for 80-100g on the ah there, and if it drops, people bid it up because they know someone will pay for it.  
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			Bunch of horney teenagers went to Blade and Soul just for the boobs and the big badabum	
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Bunch of horney teenagers went to Blade and Soul just for the boobs and the big badabum
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			I bounce between this game, WoW, and GW 2 now. Though lately I have been finding myself more with the latter two. 	
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I bounce between this game, WoW, and GW 2 now. Though lately I have been finding myself more with the latter two. 
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Bunch of horney teenagers went to Blade and Soul just for the boobs and the big badabum
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			Meh, I wanted to try it long enough to get a good feel of the PvP at least, but I couldn't be bothered past the first couple days. Yeah, there are some things I liked, some things I really didn't like, but ultimately got bored too much to continue. Not for me, moving on.	
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If Aurin had jiggly boobs, literally no one would be playing any of the other races.
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It's not their fault that Aurin's lack proper jiggle physics. 
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If Aurin had jiggly boobs, literally no one would be playing any of the other races.
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			Not sure if any one noticed, but the female Mordesh boobs does indeed jiggle...	
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I like to pvp in any game with fun battlegrounds, currently Wildstar is the most fun one out there.
It doesn't have to be gear grind to keep me going, but being able to unlock something like mounts, costumes, stuff to sell etc :)	
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Or you know, because there is actually people pvping there ;)
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Not sure if any one noticed, but the female Mordesh boobs does indeed jiggle...
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I'll just be over here happily playing WildStar and Blade and Soul (and occasionally GW2, and rarely Rift)... xD BnS satisfies my "take pretty pictures" shutterbug nature, as there's certainly no shortage of gorgeous lighting, new outfits, and pretty environments. The combat's pretty fun and challenging, too, though I struggle with figuring out what new (especially conditional) abilities do.
 
WildStar is for my rp, raiding, and generally doing whatever needs! I love it and have zero plans to leave. :)	
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