117059-outraged-amps-offered-at-rep-vendor-sold-on-cx

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So, this issue may have been brought up in the past but being a new player and not hearing anything about this until i found out myself...this is kinda horrible.
 
I was looking at the AMP tree and decided some of these are really useful and i wanted to see if they would be on the CX. Bought one for about 7g (This one is NOT available at a vendor btw) and moved on to the next one...This one's a blue colored rarity but went for about 77g. I thought it may have been a bit high so i decided to do some research online. I come to find a site that lists all the amps and the locations/vendors they can be found at. This specific AMP is sold by a vendor in Whitevale for less than 5g for only a "Popular" reputation level. It is bought and resold on the CX for 77g!?!?!? Some of you people may have known this before you even started playing the game but i assure you, there will be quite a few people that don't know and will buy these AMPs.
 
It's kinda astounding what a wonderful community we have in which some players will take advantage of other players who are clueless to know any better. It's kinda ridiculous that these AMP's (or anything else) sold at vendors are being redistributed at insanely higher prices than what they originally sell for. Why aren't these BoP? Why have we supported this kind of absurdity since release? Would it be too much to ask for atleast a sticky thread on the forums to help the new player better understand the game and what's available to him/her before he/she gets taken advantage of by (i'm hoping a minority of) the community? 
 
Something to think about while trying to move "forward", Carbine?	
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			What is the problem, again? I made a lot of gold in WoW and Rift selling vendor items on auction. Good to know I can do same here.	
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			You seem to be forgetting that the creatures whom play this game are humans.	
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Welcome to an Economy. Sorry you are so outraged by this, but it happens in every economy. While it may be a scam of sorts in your eyes. All a player needs to do is a little research about the game to discover that AMPs are available at reputation vendors. Resources like jabbithole will tell you these things. We also have a good community that will answer most questions if you cannot be bothered to look things up yourself. I honestly have no sympathy for people that are taken advantage of in such a manner. 
I have myself have multiple buy orders for things cheaper than they sell for at the vendor. Why? Because someone will always sell them and receive less profit. Such is the nature of the world. 
 
I grew my own tomatoes this year, you'd be surprised that people charge for them in stores! Couldn't believe it myself. You can grow an entire plant with a couple cents worth of seeds. 	
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			Yeah some people leveled up mainly from PVP so to get those amps they can only get them from at one time rare drops... then again the reason why there may be so few on the AH is because people checked to see if the amp could be available somewhere else some of the medic amps that used to be gettable through PVE rep used to be veyr expensive on Pergo.	
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			If  a person doesn't research this stuff before buying an AMP off of CX it's their fault not the seller's. Screwing people over is a perfectly valid gold earning option. Plus, there's an addon that will tell you where you can find every AMP (including if it's only available through CX).	
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This specific AMP is sold by a vendor in Whitevale for less than 5g for only a "Popular" reputation level. It is bought and resold on the CX for 77g!?!?!? 
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Yeah some people leveled up mainly from PVP so to get those amps they can only get them from at one time rare drops... then again the reason why there may be so few on the AH is because people checked to see if the amp could be available somewhere else some of the medic amps that used to be gettable through PVE rep used to be veyr expensive on Pergo.
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I don't see the problem...
 
If anything it's a convenience fee really as AMPS are insanely easy to get if you really want them now. You can get these as drops in open world, from rep vendors, the pvp vendors, certain quests give 1, and now to boot you can also do dungeon bosses for a random one. My guild basically farmed the first boss of KV to get all our spellslingers trigger fingers when that patch first came.
 
You don't have to use the CX to acq1uire the AMPs, but it makes things easier and that's what people are charging you for...the ease of access to the AMP.	
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I grew my own tomatoes this year, you'd be surprised that people charge for them in stores! Couldn't believe it myself. You can grow an entire plant with a couple cents worth of seeds. 
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 Good thing this doesn't pertain to anything i just said! A better example is Wal-mart(a place where alot of people go and the norm to buy products) selling an item 1400% higher(i think i did my math right) than a small-scale retail store veiled in obscurity. Which in the real world is often ass-backwards.
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Those amps are BOP when you buy them normally the ones being sold are rarer drop versions that are not bound.
 
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If this is true, i think the problem is with carbine and their choices to make items that are bought at a vendor into items that aren't bound and can be sold. It's just making it easier for people to screw other people over for their own greed. 
 
The problem doesn't lay with people not doing their research on something so ridiculous. The problem is that this kinda thing is allowed in the first place. Just because it's something that's done by people and it's accepted in society doesn't make it an okay thing to do, morally. It's not fair to the new/casual players who don't realize buying these things from a vendor is a possibility. It's not fair that people are making money off the misfortune of others.
 
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All I know is I had friends who were OK paying 77g for amps to save them having to go to PVE areas.
 
Just saying.	
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Sure it does, you're complaining about people selling things for much more than their "value". Value is only what someone is willing to pay. 
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What people sell things for and what people actually buy them for are two very different things.
 
There is almost no need to spend more than a few gold on any of the AMPs in the game.
 
Reputation is one way of securing cheap access. Doing PvP and getting access to the AMPs sold via prestige is another.
 
Also all the ones that drop in the world/dungeons are able to be sold and exchanged on the CX.
 
What's terrible about giving people options and choices to gain access to AMPs?
 
There is more than a gold cost to getting the Rep Vendor ones. A player is forced to actually do quests etc... to get the cheap prices and they spend time getting the rep to purchase the AMP.
 
Players cannot go and buy the AMPs from a vendor and then re-list them on the CX, all the rep stuff you buy in game is Bind on Pickup (BoP). So I guess I'm failing to see where the scam or malice is in the system that Carbine used.
 
You are mistaken if you think that's where the 77g AMPs are coming from. Be thankful you missed out on the 20 plat Trigger Fingers...	
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I see what your saying, but in this case the value of the item in question is LESS THAN 5g! People are then selling the item on the CX(a place where people KNOW they can look for products they want at a price) for 15x the VALUE of the item. The sole purpose of selling the item in question 15x higher than it's value is to inflate one's own greed at the expense of other's unbeknownst to knowdlege otherwise.
 
Players can't be expected to hold a high moral standing. So, i personally think the problem is that the option is made available by carbine. 
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I see what your saying, but in this case the value of the item in question is LESS THAN 5g! People are then selling the item on the CX(a place where people KNOW they can look for products they want at a price) for 15x the VALUE of the item. The sole purpose of selling the item in question 15x higher than it's value is to inflate one's own greed at the expense of other's unbeknownst to knowdlege otherwise.
 
Players can't be expected to hold a high moral standing. So, i personally think the problem is that the option is made available by carbine. 
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If someone is willing to pay 77g the value is exactly 77g. 
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If this is true, i think the problem is with carbine and their choices to make items that are bought at a vendor into items that aren't bound and can be sold. It's just making it easier for people to screw other people over for their own greed. 
 
The problem doesn't lay with people not doing their research on something so ridiculous. The problem is that this kinda thing is allowed in the first place. Just because it's something that's done by people and it's accepted in society doesn't make it an okay thing to do, morally. It's not fair to the new/casual players who don't realize buying these things from a vendor is a possibility. It's not fair that people are making money off the misfortune of others.
 
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I was wrong in stating that the items were bought from the vendor at 5g and resold at 77g. Maybe i was blinded by my own fury at what i thought i just had uncovered i didn't stop to realize they were BoP before complaining about it.
 
However, i do still think there's a flaw in the system where people are making ridiculous amounts of money off unsuspecting people that don't know any better. Maybe that's just an opinion and i'm in the minority, but even though i understand the whole pvp/reputation factor it still kinda seems off to me.	
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I must admit, I feel as though he is trolling all of us... but based on him continuing the outlandish arguments, I think he is serious...
 
It seems that the OP is confused about life in general, and must often contemplate really really basic things, like raid, clouds, and sunshine. 
 
OP - this is perfectly acceptable and a well known practice in any business module.  This is actually how every company selling tangible items makes money.  You find something for cheap, put a logo on it, and sell it for higher.  That sale price incorporates the cost of labour, materials, transportation, etc. that went into finding that something.
 
I am not sure why you are so upset or outraged by something so simple and basic.  I feel for you, I really do. 	
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 I bought a bottle of coca cola today for 1.59 when I know for damn sure it only cost 5 cents to make...I'm outraged
 
Ps.. You are aware people put items on the cx for cheaper than what the vendor would give them?	
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			easy way to stop this from happening get a small add on from curse.com called AMP Finder it shows where all amps can be found very few are drops. the rest are from rep/pvp vendors. so save time and money get the add on and stop kicking yourself.	
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			You know that thing you use to connect to Wildstar and play?  Use it.	
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			People were also selling Trigger Fingers on the CX for much lower than what they were worth because they weren't playing a SpellSlinger and didn't need the AMP. They simply didn't know what it was worth.Odds are, most of the drop AMPs are being sold by people who aren't even aware that they can be bought at reputation vendors and just figured they might be worth something to someone.	
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I was wrong in stating that the items were bought from the vendor at 5g and resold at 77g. Maybe i was blinded by my own fury at what i thought i just had uncovered i didn't stop to realize they were BoP before complaining about it.
 
However, i do still think there's a flaw in the system where people are making ridiculous amounts of money off unsuspecting people that don't know any better. Maybe that's just an opinion and i'm in the minority, but even though i understand the whole pvp/reputation factor it still kinda seems off to me.
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I bought a bottle of coca cola today for 1.59 when I know for damn sure it only cost 5 cents to make...I'm outraged
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			If i bought an item at a tag-sale for 50 cents, and sold it on ebay for $100, I guess you'd be outraged at that too?	
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			I am outraged by this thread! It isn't discussy enough! I feel ripped off!!!!!1!	
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Yeah, vendor bought AMPs are BOP.  World or bag drops are not.
 
Money sink is money sink.  Don't pay what you're not willing to pay.  It's really that simple.  I didn't buy Grim-Grim gloves until I could get them for 3 plat.	
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Today on Outraged:
 
Customer realizes he could have bought something somewhere else!
 
Stay tuned for the exciting story of Buyers Remorse!	
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When I leveled this guy I just accepted that I wouldn't have access to certain amps until certain levels and planned around it.  Most of my AMPs came from rep after needing to quest a little ways into Whitevale, Farside and Wilderrun.  Since I had the cash, I got a couple of their unbound versions from the Commodity Exchange... but it wasn't necessary to level and I would have been just fine without them.  Sure people who purely PvP may have to participate in that dastardly PvE content, but I think you have to compromise and decide what price you're willing to pay for cornering yourself into one aspect of the entire game.  Me?  I'm about to grind out 14,000 prestige for the two AMP points and Ability Tier Point Unlock, and I really can't stand PvP (well, moreso the attitudes of those who participate in it than PvP itself, but I digress).  
 
Anyway, this is really a non-issue all things considered.	
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			Are you level 50 yet?   77 gold is nothing.  I spent more than that doing rune unlocks on my 1200 gear.  77 gold is less than 45 minutes of node farming.	
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If I wanted, for instance, a Brutality Mastery AMP for a stalker alt as soon as he had the AMP points to spend on it, I could either:
- suck it up and wait until he's got the rep with Whitevale, which, if memory serves is somewhere in the late teens/early twenties, or
- buy it at the CX from someone who got it as a rare loot drop.
 
For some players, having it right away will be worth the extra gold.  There's value in RIGHT NOW, and the seller is trying to collect on it.  If the market cannot bear 77g, the market will not bear 77g and his AMP will not sell.
 
People who are offended by capitalist practices should really avoid free market economies comprised entirely of luxury items.	
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I was wrong in stating that the items were bought from the vendor at 5g and resold at 77g. Maybe i was blinded by my own fury at what i thought i just had uncovered i didn't stop to realize they were BoP before complaining about it.
 
However, i do still think there's a flaw in the system where people are making ridiculous amounts of money off unsuspecting people that don't know any better. Maybe that's just an opinion and i'm in the minority, but even though i understand the whole pvp/reputation factor it still kinda seems off to me.
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Today on Outraged:
 
Customer realizes he could have bought something somewhere else!
 
Stay tuned for the exciting story of Buyers Remorse!
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Oooh! You get that channel!? Nothing better than watching dumd people fly off the handle... I'll bring the popcorn!
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			I blame global warming.	
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Your outrage is outrageously outrageous.
 
Just saying.	
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If i bought an item at a tag-sale for 50 cents, and sold it on ebay for $100, I guess you'd be outraged at that too?
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Let's look at Architect.
 
The main gather plugs we can make for some $ from other players. There's a drop elite version, that is better than we can make, and skips having to buy/upgrade from base plugs.
 
Stacks don't go on CX, do we eat up our 25 AH slots with grass/tree/fence in singles, or are people buying 3 packs today, or what?
 
There's no item preview, even tho there's a wonderful one at house. So no 'window shopping'. That stops most from buying.
 
Lots of the stuff drops BoE, and lots better looking/collectible like plushies only come from drops.
 
AH 'search' is totally useless. You can put in 'grass' or 'tree' even if there's not one on AH, will say too many items listed.
 
Then there's the you can take 20 attempts to make a item before you can even get the X/Y to land. 
 
Best way to make $ from Arch? Don't do it, spend the time farming wood and vending it, buy it from someone else.
 
 
 
The outrage is that, rare rng drops are about the only way to make $ on AH/CX. It seems the dev's followed your plan of plays should only vendor items and not trade.	
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btw inwow i bought 10 copper rodsfrom a vendor for 9 silver each so 90 silver total i got 10 gold from all of the, for posting them on the AH for 1 gold each...
 
buyer beware is all i say	
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