Fallout Equestria:Legacy Notes/Raw/2014/8

=August=
==First==
[8/1/2014 10:05:37 AM] : Could I please get a link to the Gemini twins cuties on your sta.sh?
[8/1/2014 10:13:34 AM] : http://sta.sh/21y0gws3ndhm
[8/1/2014 10:16:09 AM] : Have you made entries for them on the luneria wiki? Could also upload them there so you'll have a more easily accessed place to get them.
[8/1/2014 10:17:48 AM] : ah I will do that in the near future, was just deciding on some final details for them both
[8/1/2014 10:18:03 AM] : Cherry Bloom hugs by the way!
[8/1/2014 10:18:23 AM] : Now that they will be in Legacies i kinda feel they have earned a spot on the wiki instead of just being put there with no relation to luneria
[8/1/2014 10:18:26 AM] : Berru huggles!
==Second==
[8/2/2014 1:57:15 AM Edited 1:57:45 AM] : also, I was thinking of the idea that, after they discover the destruction of Luneria, Dullahan gets mad blaming Moxy/Channeler/Whoever for the desctruction of their home and decides to go off on her own, some of the others going with her while everypony else continued with the mission
this would split the story between the mane group with the World Tree, while also giving us a B-arc of the other group surviving and Dullahan making a go of it with her music
[8/2/2014 1:58:18 AM] : then having them rejoin later on
[8/2/2014 1:58:27 AM] : That works.
[8/2/2014 1:59:38 AM] : so far though, I'm thinking that everypony if anypony would go with Dullahan except for Moxy, Little Seed, and Channeler
[8/2/2014 1:59:54 AM] : I don't see the others splitting up
[8/2/2014 2:00:11 AM] : Cherry Bloom, Cascade, Toxic Heart, Wolfberry...
[8/02/2014 2:22:27 AM Edited 8/02/2014 2:25:06 AM] : so I was just thinking about Legacies, what do you think of this series of events?
#Legacies (or possibly just a few of them) leave town following Little Seed's intuition, find the Tree of Harmony (overgrown with Killing Joke or some other deadly plant, or just dead)
#They return to Luneria, but during the trip find the old MoP Hub, a Stable-Tec building, and I'm thinking maybe an addition to the city that wasn't protected from the plants?
#Using the info they find at the Stable-Tec office, they find Cherry Bloom and remove her from the Stable.
#Cherry Bloom tells them about the other World Trees, so the gang rigs an old pre-war train and uses a bubble of Little Seed's plant magic to ride it through the forest.
#The train crashes in the wasteland when they escape, so they have no means of getting back through to Luneria, they continue their adventure.
#After the Neighpon Arc (or somewhere in that area) they return to find Red Eye has burned Luneria to the ground.
[8/02/2014 2:27:39 AM] : That works rather well. Though the part I would question is the new untrained shaman using the weakened Gaia's magic to get through the killing joke. Instead maybe finding  some place information about poison joke having been weaponized into the killing joke and the method of control in a spray made of the mutated Star Euphonious  phantasmal flowers? The makes Little seed look a little less "I can overcome this deadly obstacle because reasons" thing. perhaps at a later time after she's had more time to get a hold of things (and possibly little restorations of plants to help Gaia a bit more she'd be able to do it later?
[8/02/2014 2:28:21 AM] : I'm just a bit worried as her coming across too OP without an explanation that the... less intelligent/accepting in the fandom would have an easier time accepting?
[8/02/2014 2:29:04 AM] : if that makes sense? Not saying she shouldn't be able to ever or anything like that, but It'd be interesting if they had to get through some killing joke later on when things had more of a chance to "level up".
[8/02/2014 2:29:19 AM] : hmm.. or maybe a mechanical solution? some sort of addition to the car that would allow it to tear through?
[8/02/2014 2:29:37 AM] : though I do like the idea of them finding research on evolution of poison joke from before the bombs fell
[8/02/2014 2:29:56 AM] : Big ol' lawnmower spinning blades of killer planty death?
[8/02/2014 2:30:21 AM] : haha, I was thinking of something more like a machete-edged cow catcher, but whatever works
[8/02/2014 2:30:40 AM] : we're crashing it anyway.
[8/02/2014 2:30:42 AM] : haha
[8/02/2014 2:31:06 AM] : yeah. the spinning turn you into mulchy blades would help versus tensile strength of plant build up.
[8/02/2014 2:32:11 AM] : And no flame throwers. flame throwers + forest linked plants would lead to red eye getting beaten to the punch on burning Luneria down.
[8/02/2014 2:33:18 AM] : plus if you want after the crash there's easier to use metal parts that could be used as salvage for repair or barter.
[8/02/2014 2:33:59 AM] : not necessarily spark batteries or fancy things like that, since its just rotating blades, just need a gear system
[8/02/2014 2:41:48 AM] : I think he'll like our ideas, though the destruction of Luneria might be hard..
[8/02/2014 2:45:44 AM] : I'm willing to let that one go, as the destruction of whole towns outside of the "player character"'s actions actually doesn't come up a lot. though its debatable if removing Cherry from stasis counts to something like Removing Mr. House or detonating the megaton bomb. most of the town destructions occured during the war or the protagonist had a hand/hoof in it.
Unless you can recall a time in Fallout/FO:E when a faction completely destroyed a town without the player's involvment after the story started?
[8/02/2014 2:45:52 AM] : because I might be mistaken.
[8/02/2014 2:46:39 AM] : well, removing Cherry would constitute a form of involvement
[8/02/2014 2:46:53 AM] : it's because her magic was gone that Redeye was able to find the town
[8/02/2014 2:47:18 AM] : the team chose to add a powerful member to the party, because of that, said character wasn't there to defend the town
[8/02/2014 2:47:27 AM] : choice and consequence
[8/02/2014 2:49:00 AM] : Yeah. I'm fine with either way. Depending on what the group decides.
[8/02/2014 2:50:08 AM] : Though if we do destroy the town, I would like for there to be some rescuable survivors that we might be able to move to a settlement. so like, not an entire loss. even an 80% loss means 20% survival. and 90 means 10.
[8/02/2014 2:50:46 AM] :
[Friday, August 01, 2014 11:56 PM] :
<<< yeah, most of them would probably survive
...it wouldn't be a good life, but they'd live
Redeye's a slaver, he'd only kill as many as he had to
[8/2/2014 2:51:16 AM Edited 2:51:26 AM] : I figure most of the casualties would be the security force. Moxy's team.
[8/2/2014 2:52:26 AM] : Possibly. But yeah. Fallout might be rather dark, but the end, if done right, can be rather bright too. Even if the protagonist has to earn their happy ending.
[2:52:35 AM] : or Bittersweet.
==Third==
[8/03/2014 9:54:37 PM] : So, Cutie mark Idea, not sure how much I like it.
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2014/215/f/4/hayasemitsuki_by_creshosk-d7tlgsu.png
[8/03/2014 9:55:28 PM] : Who's this for?
[8/03/2014 9:56:39 PM] : Misty
http://luneria.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Equestria:Neighponese_Valkyries
[8/03/2014 10:04:05 PM] : Ah, OK
[8/03/2014 10:04:25 PM] : I'm guessing the Valkyries are the ponies the Legacies meet when they travel to Neighpon?
[8/03/2014 10:04:42 PM] : Yeah.
[8/03/2014 10:05:56 PM] : Sweet :)
[8/03/2014 10:13:11 PM] : Think I'm going to try redesigning Misty's Cutie Mark. Not incredibly keen on the one I just made.
[8/03/2014 10:14:07 PM] : Yeah, it does look...a bit messy and hard to make out
[8/03/2014 10:14:21 PM] : I take it that it is meant to be a kanji
[8/03/2014 10:14:47 PM] : The kanji for Swim.
[8/03/2014 10:16:02 PM] : Ah, I see
[8/03/2014 10:16:15 PM] : You could always give her a swimming goggles cutie mark
[8/03/2014 10:16:43 PM] : I was thinking about a design involving making a bat out of water droplets.
[8/03/2014 10:17:16 PM] : I'd probably need to include a cap with the goggles to help distinguish them as swimmers goggles.
[8/03/2014 10:18:36 PM] : True
[8/03/2014 10:18:46 PM] : Pffft
[8/03/2014 10:19:03 PM Edited 10:19:15 PM] : Maybe you could make the CM a picture of Haru from Free! Iwatobi Swim Club
[8/03/2014 10:20:17 PM] : I don't know if having a picture of a human would work very well.
[8/03/2014 10:22:35 PM] : Fair enough
[8/03/2014 10:22:44 PM] : If you wanted to get SUPER cryptic
[8/03/2014 10:22:59 PM] : You could have the CM be of a butterfly with an aquatic pattern
[8/03/2014 10:23:08 PM Edited 10:23:23 PM] : To represent butterfly stroke
[8/03/2014 10:27:20 PM] : I'm going a step further. with the Batstroke.
[8/03/2014 10:27:39 PM] : Ah, very clever
[8/03/2014 10:28:47 PM] : though in this case it actually involves the bat wings. Doesn't need to worry about her feathers getting wet.
[8/03/2014 11:23:17 PM] : http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2014/215/3/5/hayasemitsuki_by_creshosk-d7tlgsu.png
[8/03/2014 11:23:45 PM] : Wow I love that
==Fourth==
[8/4/2014 11:56:15 AM] : So did you see this?
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2014/215/3/5/hayasemitsuki_by_creshosk-d7tlgsu.png
[8/4/2014 11:57:01 AM] : and yes, I did, whose is that again?
[8/4/2014 11:58:05 AM] : One of the Valkyries for the Neighpon Arc of Legacies.
[8/4/2014 11:58:23 AM] : 'kay, right, that's something we need to cover..
[8/4/2014 11:59:00 AM] : when you first pitched the idea I was thinking it was pre-war, but I'm guessing they're actually Wastelanders then?
[8/4/2014 11:59:09 AM] : What's your plan for them?
[8/4/2014 11:59:12 AM] : Both
[8/4/2014 11:59:42 AM Edited 12:00:11 PM] : Like the Steel Rangers, the Valkyries were the Neighpon division of power armor users. the ones I'm currently designing are the wastelanders.
[8/4/2014 12:00:10 PM] : cool.
[8/4/2014 12:00:21 PM] : do they have a mission like the Rangers do?
[8/4/2014 12:02:57 PM] : Haven't decided too much about them. just that it makes sense if Equestria has an Enclave and Steel Rangers that Neighpon should have some factions to play a part, either as allies or as antagonists. One thing I was thinking about was that the Valkyrie could be a division of a larger organization, Like the Voulenteer corps of the enclave. And maybe during Legacies the Valkyrie might get fed up with the larger organization acting like the enclave and break off to assist the Legacies. But we don't have to use that idea.
[8/4/2014 12:03:47 PM] : They're there as playing pieces. I'd like for them to be good guys since they were the good guys in their original story. But they still need to fit into the story of Legacies.
[8/4/2014 12:04:55 PM] : Another thought that crossed my mind was having one of them become Cascade's love interest or something. Since that seems to be something that happens in Fallout Equestria. (Glory seems rather interested in Blakckjack, and then there was Little Pip and Homage.)
[8/4/2014 12:06:24 PM Edited 12:06:40 PM] :
[8/4/2014 12:04 PM] :
<<< And maybe during Legacies the Valkyrie might get fed up with the larger organization acting like the enclave and break off to assist the Legacies.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel_(Capital_Wasteland)
[8/4/2014 12:07:21 PM] : Exactly what I was thinking.
[8/4/2014 12:07:47 PM] : I love the brotherhood of steel in FO3 and FO:NV.
[8/4/2014 12:04:55 PM] : Another thought that crossed my mind was having one of them become Cascade's love interest or something. Since that seems to be something that happens in Fallout Equestria. (Glory seems rather interested in Blakckjack, and then there was Little Pip and Homage.)
[8/4/2014 1:22:42 PM] : I think I might turn Rising Star over to Lore if Lore wants her.
*Hour Glass Cutie Mark
*Stars in Cutie Mark
*Pinkish color
*the word Star in their name
*Additional reason I'm not at liberty to explain to anyone but her.
[8/4/2014 6:10:27 PM] : That is rather funny, though I would love to take care of her! (heart)
[8/4/2014 8:15:46 PM] : I'm also growing attached to the idea of her and Cascade winding up together. Bringing in outside blood to continue the Blue and or Water themed names to the family.
==Sixth==
[8/6/2014 12:51:03 PM] : So I had this thought/realization thing... if you wanted to do the miniature collection thing, its possible to haveStrawberry Song (Who apparently has a copy of the black book in order for him to know necromancy so he can heal Kiwi Berry) have come up with the same idea that Rarity did with her miniatures. Since you know...http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/076/0/c/dennis_vs_dennis_by_thecarrottykid-d3buoe2.png It's possible for two people to come up with similar ideas at virtually the same time. Both of these "Dennis the menace" comics debuted within five days of each other, on in the US one in the UK.
[8/6/2014 12:51:57 PM] : This way the Legacies could collect miniatures without having to worry about finding Ministry Mares Statuettes.
[8/6/2014 12:52:28 PM] : Since Little Pip and Blackjack apparently both have them we really wouldn't have to worry about stepping on anypony else's sides stories' hooves.
[8/6/2014 12:53:15 PM] : Eternal Blue and Wolfberry had 7 kids... which with the way I'd set them up before (and with Lore adding one) gives us 7, one for each letter in Special
[8/6/2014 12:53:16 PM] : I was just going to avoid them altogether, since they're so limited in number, I figured it'd be safer
[8/6/2014 12:53:40 PM] : This way you don't need to worry about avoiding them and can include them.
[8/6/2014 12:53:40 PM] : and I worry that doing our own miniatures could result in some backlash..
[8/6/2014 12:54:57 PM] : I'm pretty sure we'll already get some backlash from somebody about any number of our core concepts. Cherry Bloom being an alicorn, doing the World Tree at the same time as the Gardens of Equestria, the inclusion of neighpon. The sheer number of "stable Dwellers" we're sending out all at once.
[8/6/2014 12:55:20 PM] : Honestly, neighponese versions of the miniatures is rather minor in comparison to some of the other things.
[8/6/2014 12:55:58 PM] : maybe, but how are we proposing they got the magic for it? Rarity?
[8/06/2014 12:56:48 PM Edited 12:57:51 PM] : The whole world tree at the same time as The Gardens of Equestria is actually a pretty big one. It almost comes off as us saying "No, we were the ones that saved the world..." when actually its a bit of both. Since we're like the Oasis Project. cleaning out the taint and radiation is all well and good. but bringing back more plant life is good too.
[8/6/2014 12:57:16 PM] : Its hinted at in Project horizons that there may be more than one of the black books.
[8/06/2014 12:58:15 PM] : actually, my thinking lately has been that maybe the new World Tree couldn't grow because of the radiation, and mayhaps they couldn't grow it until after the radiation was cleared?
[8/06/2014 1:00:04 PM] : Could be that the tree of harmony is still alive, just completely inaccessible until the GOE goes off. After that its accessible and that could be where the world tree is. The tree of harmony still being alive could be one of the reasons why gaia is not completely dead as well?[8/6/2014 1:33:50 PM] : I still think we could do a miniature thing. with a different set of ponies you don't need to worry about them being rare as much. 42 in total, with seven each of the following
S - Peach
P - Plum
E - Almond
C - Cherry
I - Strawberry
A - Apple
L - Pear
With two complete sets being accounted for. one that Strawberry has, and one cherry has in Luneria, the set is ignored as its just seen as being some filly's set of dolls. Though I suppose that's only 28 left to find.
[8/06/2014 1:00:45 PM] : hmm.. that could work. Meaning they find the seed there instead?
[8/06/2014 1:00:58 PM] : No, they bring the seed back to the tree.
[8/06/2014 1:01:09 PM] : Also, I wonder what Redeye would do with the tree...
[8/06/2014 1:01:14 PM] : if anything
[8/06/2014 1:04:08 PM] : Probably couldn't get to it. There should be some source of the mutations of the monsters. Like the starkiller(ursa minor), discord's black vines that turned into the thorn spitters. could explain the bloat sprites...
[8/06/2014 1:04:36 PM Edited 1:04:52 PM] : the GoE clears that out the Legacies are able to move in and plant the world tree seed.
[8/06/2014 1:04:08 PM] : Probably couldn't get to it.
[8/06/2014 1:07:14 PM] : okay, WAY out-there concept, (basically no chance in Tartarus we'll use it) but bear with me for the mental image if nothing else;
We already have it that a descendant of Berry shows up and is Enclave, what if we had her (or other Enclave ponies) steal the World Tree seed and take it back to the Enclave.
A while after the ponies return to Equestria, the Pegasi have planted the seed in the clouds, and a tree begins to spring up, but it's too large for the clouds to support and the Wastelanders are treated to the sight of a massive tree plummeting through the clouds to the earth.
[8/06/2014 1:12:02 PM] : That makes me want to have another strong pony that was rivals with Wolfberry show up and the two of them (and possibly others) try to slow the tree's fall. Sort of a Hulk/Thor sort of comeradery. thing that they're shown to have in the avengers assemble cartoon. But we'd need a special thing for Wolfberry to be able to fly and use his strength in his flying power. like ... Valkyrie power armor that has artificial wings that tap into a unicorn or earth ponies own type of magic to translate it into an equivalent pegasus magic wing power...
[8/06/2014 1:12:55 PM] : Moxypony coughs
[8/06/2014 1:13:00 PM] : uh, keep reading PH
[8/06/2014 1:13:02 PM] : XD
[8/06/2014 1:13:11 PM] : I think that eventually happens
[8/06/2014 1:13:28 PM] : or something similar
[8/06/2014 1:13:30 PM] : the power armor for providing flight to non winged ponies?
[8/06/2014 1:13:50 PM] : yeah, I think Blackjack gets something along those lines at one point. Also, flight talismans?
[8/06/2014 1:14:08 PM] : Oh right because she becomes a cyber alicorn.
[8/06/2014 1:14:29 PM] : All the better! it means that its more tech we can incorporate without the backlash.
[8/06/2014 1:15:39 PM] : haha, I might lean more towards using a Bloodwing Talisman or something, but either way, I don't think we'll include that scene
[8/06/2014 1:15:50 PM] : I just think the image is a really cool one
[8/06/2014 1:16:46 PM Edited 1:17:00 PM] : Include it in the non-canon material collection, with a giant Wolfberry fighting a kaiju.
[8/06/2014 1:17:13 PM] : Cool ideas that are more for fun and aren't canon.
[8/06/2014 1:17:20 PM] : haha
[8/6/2014 1:18:33 PM] : Though it is possible to have some of the idea in the story, with haveing a splinter group of the enclave in Neighpon that are at odds with the Valkyries. it helps to provide an enemy/antagonist faction.
[8/6/2014 1:20:04 PM] : That kind of begs the question to me.. should we put SPP towers in Neighpon as well?
[8/6/2014 1:20:48 PM] : possibly operating on a different circuit, to explain why Homage had no access?
[8/6/2014 1:21:16 PM] : Well, cool and dark does help promote growth of fungal forms of plant life.
[8/6/2014 1:21:49 PM] : a Neighponese branch of the Enclave... seperate, but still connected to the Equestrian Enclave?
[8/6/2014 1:21:58 PM] : hmm... I think we can do that
[8/06/2014 1:22:09 PM] : Also the Legacies all having pipbucks is needed because the luneria branch of stable tech includes universal translators, to explain why we don't need to worry about the language barriers of traveling to forreign lands.
[8/06/2014 1:22:49 PM] : either that or simply culture invasion by Equestria during the war
[8/06/2014 1:23:16 PM] : That'd explain giving the Valkyries two names.
[8/06/2014 1:23:40 PM] : and it'd make sense with Equestria's equivalence to the US in the war
[8/06/2014 1:23:51 PM] : Equestrian and Neighponese. pre-war only those going to other lands to it, as a sign of respect for the culture being visited.
[8/06/2014 1:24:16 PM] : post-war it became a LOT more ingrained into the new culture
[8/06/2014 1:24:30 PM Edited 1:24:37 PM] : So the neo-neighponese are bilingual?
[8/06/2014 1:27:16 PM] : either bilingual or, if we wanted to really push Equestria's darker nature in the war, monolingual and only speaking Equestrian
[8/06/2014 1:27:56 PM] : I'd probably go with the former
[8/06/2014 1:28:13 PM] : Yeah.
[8/06/2014 1:32:24 PM] : that also leaves the floor open to Neighponese characters being able to communicate privately (unless somepony does get a translator spell)
[8/06/2014 1:33:17 PM] : Or knows Neighponese... like Cherry Bloom. XD
[8/06/2014 1:33:37 PM] : well, Cherry Bloom is technically Neighponese
[8/06/2014 1:33:39 PM] : haha
[8/6/2014 1:35:01 PM] : What did you think of the idea of Cascade getting a love interest from amongst the Valkyrie?
[8/6/2014 1:35:36 PM] : fine by me, would he be staying behind then? or is she coming with them?
[8/6/2014 1:35:41 PM] : long-distance relationship?
[8/6/2014 1:35:44 PM] : those never work out...
[8/6/2014 1:35:46 PM] : XD
[8/6/2014 1:39:45 PM] : Him staying behind would decrease the number of characters to keep track of. Her coming with would add a higher powered character for "the good fight".
[8/06/2014 1:39:45 PM] : Could also have a thing where we incorporate The Mirror, developed more during the war as a way to move troops back and forth quickly. Lost functionality due to it needing to be "on" in both locations, and the neighponese one was disabled for some reason. Getting it working would mean a way to move back and forth quickly as needed in the story. Not sure where the locations would be. Possibly multiple with a way to select a destination. Could have one in canterlot if you're feeling brave enough. XD
[8/06/2014 1:41:15 PM] : hmm.. something like that seems like it would have been a pretty massive game changer in the war unless it had some pretty hefty limitations...
non-portable, I assume?
[8/06/2014 1:43:26 PM] : large-scale arcane device, it'd have to be pretty well set up and would likely be very costly to produce in terms of both materials and labor, on scale with a megaspell, I'd say.
They'd also want to keep it secret, so they'd limit production and probably keep it deep in Equestria.
So yeah, I think Canterlot would be the most likely location
[8/06/2014 1:43:39 PM] : any number of reasons, non-portable, development was too late to have enough of an effect or any other possible reasons it didn't get used.
[8/06/2014 1:44:59 PM] : this could work, but they'd need to find a way to power it.
it could probably be maintained with relatively minor energy, but establishing that link is gonna be costly
[8/06/2014 1:45:05 PM] : Three locations I can think of. Canterlot, One in Luneria and one somewhere in neighpon.
[8/06/2014 1:45:30 PM] : Otherwise somepony's going to have to go back to canterlot to make sure the thing is turned on and powered up.
[8/06/2014 1:46:39 PM] : Luneria one could be ignored by redeye because he thinks its simply a fancy mirror.. since the other gates are turned off. The one in canterlot would have been turned off once the city went into lockdown. No point in having allied ponies go into canterlot if you're protecting ponies from the pink cloud.
[8/06/2014 1:47:15 PM] : one in Luneria where it was being worked on initially. so that they could test the link to other gateways.
[8/06/2014 1:47:26 PM] : if the Lunerians know what the mirror is, I can see one of the security ponies destroying its location to keep it out of Redeye's hooves
[8/06/2014 1:48:10 PM] : oh wait...
[8/06/2014 1:48:22 PM] : if they knew about the mirror, they'd have just used that to escape Redeye
[8/06/2014 1:48:24 PM] : Only if they know. If Cherry's the only one that knows and didn't think about it... but like I mentioned earlier, without the others being active it'd just seem like a fancy mirror.
[8/06/2014 1:48:47 PM] : Have you played portal?
[8/06/2014 1:49:00 PM] : ja
[8/06/2014 1:49:30 PM] : You know how when you shoot the first portal you can't go through? you need the second portal active in order for it tofucntion as a portal.
[8/06/2014 1:49:41 PM] : Sure you can change where you want it to go...
[8/06/2014 1:49:53 PM] : but until both portals are out, its not of much use.
[8/06/2014 1:50:00 PM Edited 1:50:18 PM] Moxypony: how do we handle a 3 gate network then?
[8/06/2014 1:50:42 PM] : Either with a Stargate like DHD, a wheel that turns like in Howl's moving castle, or needing to think about your location when you turn on the mirror.
[8/06/2014 1:50:52 PM] : Any possible number of ways.
[8/06/2014 1:52:46 PM] : Though the mirrors weren't totally non-portable. just very very difficult, and in a confined space like in a stable/lab its harder to get the tools you need in. So rather than wasting time and possible resources, Redeye ignored the mirror... unless you wouldn't mind having the legacies pop up in Fillydelphia. XD
[8/06/2014 1:53:29 PM] : But it could lead to a dramatic reveal moment if they go back to luneria down in the lab where nopony was anyway, and when they exit the stable they're greeted with... Luneria's fate.
[8/06/2014 1:55:09 PM] : so wait, are we talking like a standing wardrobe mirror or like an entire wall of mirrored surface on top of arcane foci?
[8/06/2014 1:55:37 PM] : whatever you want it to be.
[8/06/2014 1:56:03 PM] : I'd personally lean towards the latter, I like it being a clunky tech that was never really fine-tuned
[8/06/2014 1:56:42 PM Edited 1:56:53 PM] Moxypony: maybe a coworking of MAS and MWT
[8/06/2014 1:56:49 PM] : also though something to think about with the neighponese one, is the valkyrie were either able to put the time and resources into moving the mirror to their base, or their base was where the mirror was set up initially. in either case they might not know what it is, just that it seems like a powerful arcane device.
[8/06/2014 1:57:36 PM] : so is this how we're having them get to Neighpon?
[8/06/2014 1:57:38 PM] : it being in their base and them not knowing about it makes sense. since it was going to be used to deploy troops, what better place to set it up than in a military base?
[8/06/2014 1:58:03 PM] : not to neighpon, but back from it. Like I said its needs to be turned on.
[8/06/2014 1:58:36 PM] : ah, their mode of transit to Neighpon becomes unusable to get back, I'm guessing?
[8/06/2014 1:58:39 PM] : Though that might be an amusing way to meet the valkyrie, I think that getting these more powerful allies should wait until they've seen the horrors of the neighponese wasteland
[8/06/2014 1:59:52 PM] : Possibly.
[8/06/2014 2:00:21 PM] : or it could be that the idea of walking through a portal in a place secured by allies is more palatable than traveling through the wasteland again.
[8/06/2014 2:01:58 PM] : or even a combination of things.
[8/06/2014 2:02:44 PM] : I was just planning on them using a boat XD
[8/06/2014 2:03:36 PM] : A boat works.
[8/06/2014 2:04:11 PM] : we could have it get destroyed by a Berserker as soon as they arrive, sort of a 'WELCOME TO NEIGHPON, MOTHERBUCKER"
[8/06/2014 2:04:21 PM] : XD
[8/06/2014 2:05:34 PM] : Could be a pink and red one.. nope nope .. just pink, that red is not his natural red... its someponies' natural red, but it didn't originally belong to him...
[8/06/2014 2:07:20 PM] : "Are you sure that thing is a he?"
"Do you want to be the one to get close enough to check?"
[8/6/2014 2:08:01 PM Edited 2:08:31 PM] : what if the Legacies found that a tiny hole had been drilled into the amber to Wolfberry and later discover that the Berserker ghoulification process was created as a result of somepony trying to replicate Wolfberry's strength using his (mutated) DNA?
[8/6/2014 2:08:27 PM] : That works.
[8/6/2014 2:08:48 PM] : rockable
[8/06/2014 2:09:41 PM] : Also what do you think of the hypothetical exchange about the beserker ghoul?
[8/06/2014 2:11:14 PM] : I'm trying to figure out who it's supposed to be.. is the Berserker somepony we know?
[8/06/2014 2:11:45 PM] : the one that shows up and wrecks the boat? Nope.
[8/06/2014 2:12:16 PM] : I'd see the first line being either Dullahan or Cascade and Channeler being the second
[8/06/2014 2:12:17 PM] : haha
[8/06/2014 2:14:18 PM] : Of all the things to be discussing, they're talking about the giant undead monster that's trying to kill them's gender.
It's an amusing bit of levity that I could also see you and catcher doing, tbh.
[8/06/2014 2:14:49 PM] : most definitely
[8/06/2014 2:14:58 PM] : :D
[8/6/2014 6:00:35 PM] : I did really like the idea of collectibles in Neighpon
[8/6/2014 6:01:54 PM] : The Prince and Princess Miniatures?
[8/6/2014 6:02:48 PM] : Yeah,
[8/6/2014 6:02:52 PM] : The addition of Almond and in particular the element you choose for her really fit in well with rounding out the SPECIAL.
[8/06/2014 6:03:17 PM Edited 6:03:31 PM] : Since she's patience and balance, Endurence fits rather well for our little pink earth pony.
[8/6/2014 6:03:43 PM] : That is rather true! Pear works for luck too,
[8/6/2014 6:03:50 PM] : Eeyup!
[8/6/2014 6:07:47 PM] : And the others I'd lined up without realizing it. Since
Plum's talent is divination and being able to see the future, hence why his cutie mark also has an eye.
Peach and Cherry I'd had one as being emotionally weak but physically strong, and the other being emotionally strong but physically weak. as Super heros I had Peach with super strength, and of Course cherry is very friendly and personable.
Strawberry was the medic/healer type so usually have him as being intelligent so that he can have a lot of good medical knowledge.
Apple and Pear were of course energetic. Apple being a speedster, and Pear helping him either not get in trouble or able to get out of trouble.
And of course your addition of Almond fits in rather well!
[8/6/2014 6:11:35 PM] : I really do love the idea of having a set of the siblings together,
[8/6/2014 6:20:14 PM] : Actually, on the note of the collectibles, rather than it just being a miniature/statuette, why not have the little figure be inside a musical snowglobe? Each one could play their own song, but when together they play another song that would otherwise not be able to be heard?
That way you can be more like the New vegas Collectible but still have the bonus to SPECIAL, for the uniqueness of Cherry and her siblings.
[8/6/2014 6:21:07 PM] : Love the music box idea, that could likely be used later on too
[8/6/2014 11:20:27 PM] : re: Neighpon collectible statues; whose soul is it? Eternal Blue?
[8/6/2014 11:22:50 PM] : Possibly her and Strawberry Song's. Which is why she went feral when ghoulified, and he became a bit more reclusive and creepy(His fascination with studying ghouls). Though the former is more obvious the later would only become evident from Cherry's observations about him.
==Ninth==
[8/9/2014 8:27:44 PM] : http://creshosk.deviantart.com/art/Rising-Star-474447390
So tweaked the design a little, turned her coat from salmon to pink. Made her mane redder.
Also had an idea about this pegasus, if Lore is open to it. Remember how we were talking about the possibility of an Enclave descendant of Berry? Well... What if...
[8/9/2014 8:30:38 PM] : Since the enclave has encountered the Neo-Neighponese squadron called the Valkyrie, what if during the course of 10 generations, the line moved over to Neo-Neighpon and Rising Star is a descendant of Berry Blast?
[8/9/2014 8:37:06 PM] : I actually really love that idea, and kind of an extra line of irony I guess is in initial conception Timestep was Berry's daughter, so while not the case now having a descendant with an hourglass cutie works rather well!
[8/9/2014 10:56:50 PM] : it makes a nice nod to an earlier stage in the character's development cycle
[8/9/2014 10:57:39 PM] : so your thinking is that she's the descendent of (or is herself) a Dashite (or the Neighponese equivalent)?
[8/9/2014 10:59:00 PM] : Descendant of a dashite. She herself is captain of the armord squadron VF Valkyries.
[8/9/2014 11:00:26 PM] : That works perfectly well to me,
[8/9/2014 11:01:02 PM] : She herself isn't one because she holds a fairly high rank in another military unit... which would be weird if she had recently defected from the enclave.
[8/9/2014 11:01:36 PM] : well if you made her a bit older it'd still make sense, but descendent works too
[8/9/2014 11:01:48 PM] : Plus she has an hourglass cutie mark.
[8/9/2014 11:01:51 PM] : include old Dashite granny?
[8/9/2014 11:02:17 PM] : How far back isn't important to me. and I'll leave that to you guys to decide.
[8/9/2014 11:03:22 PM Edited 11:03:56 PM] : Could be fun to play with.
[8/9/2014 11:16:51 PM] : Oh speaking of which, leaning in that direction proves for potential drama between the neo-neighpon faction and the legacies because of two of the party members.
[8/9/2014 11:17:43 PM Edited 11:17:45 PM] : what do you think of the idea of a conflict between the Neighponese Enclave and one or more of the ruling Neighponese Wasteland Factions?
[8/9/2014 11:18:43 PM] : We were already setting up in that direction.
[8/9/2014 11:18:50 PM] : perfect
[8/9/2014 11:18:57 PM] : Given that the Valkyries are supposed to have conflict with them, yes?
[8/9/2014 11:19:32 PM] : were they? sounds perfect to me, don't know that I caught that part of their creation
[8/9/2014 11:21:36 PM] : Neighpon>Characters>Valkyries>Enclave
[8/9/2014 11:20:21 PM] : where did we land re:SPP Towers in Neighpon?
[8/9/2014 11:21:59 PM] : I think its a good idea.
[8/9/2014 11:22:09 PM] : rockin'
[8/9/2014 11:22:36 PM] : Given how close Equestria and Neighpon were during the war, they'd be setting up for the same sort of defense of their allies.
==Fifteenth==
[8/15/2014 4:31:28 PM] : Curious as to what you think about this:
http://luneria.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Equestria:Valkyrie_Formations
Mind you I still need to draw other formations but...
[8/15/2014 4:34:33 PM] : okay, well looking at it tactically, it looks like you're creating an squadron model of a double Squad column fire team wedge
[8/15/2014 4:35:15 PM] : now normally ground tactics don't work with air wings, but given these are ponies, not jets, their ability to engage in midair should mimic, to some extent, that of the basic infantryman
[8/15/2014 4:35:15 PM] : rolls
[8/15/2014 4:38:11 PM] : Yeah, so what do you think?
[8/15/2014 4:42:06 PM] : the central units are usually the leadership elements, so I'd be hesitant to task them to anything
[8/15/2014 4:42:42 PM] : In this case the gun interceptors?
[8/15/2014 4:43:00 PM] : indeed
[8/15/2014 4:43:17 PM] : Yeah, those are leadership and are centeralized.
[8/15/2014 4:43:23 PM] : so some of this crosses over, some doesn't. Let me see if I can break this down
[8/15/2014 4:55:29 PM] : forward elements of any unit are your point men (ponies). In an infantry element, their primary tasking is navigation and detection. For the case of your Formation, I'd suggest having them equipped with sensory and navigational equipment. 
The rear element acts as rear security, so they aren't concerned with navigation but instead with securing your six.
The middle elements are varied. If you have heavy weapons, you'd want them on the wings, off-setting each other. In the case of your formation, I'd put them at the 10 and 4 oclock positions, or vice versa. You do this to balance the heavy firepower on either side of the formation in order to quickly engage attacks from the sides.
Now, why do our attack formatons ideally operate in a spaced out wedge?
the answer is that, in a spaced wedge, no matter what side you're attacked from, everypony is able to aim fire on the enemy without shooting your buddies. On the battlefield you can't always control where you take contact from. I wouldn't have my shielded elements only up front or behind, because what if I'm attacked from the sides? In the army, we just have everyone wears the same armor, because any of us could be the one who gets hit first.
[8/15/2014 4:55:50 PM] : Sorry, this is a lot of info, and I'm sure not all applies given the purpose of your creating this design
[8/15/2014 4:58:03 PM] : Oh no, it does, you're filling in some of the gaps in the conversion process.
[8/15/2014 4:58:31 PM] : so my "concerns", if you wish to call them that, would be the the gun sweepers on the sides which can't engage to the front and rear without adjustment. I'd have your interceptors have no established role other than leadership and individual rifleponies
[8/15/2014 4:58:42 PM] : Given that these were originally Mechs, they all had the sensoers and the like, and given what the enemy was they usually could predict what direction the enemy was.
[8/15/2014 4:59:01 PM] : for the Strike Vanguards, I'd keep them mid range OR give them long range weapons
[8/15/2014 4:59:15 PM] : since they're the ideal first to see and engage, I'd give them longest reach
[8/15/2014 4:59:48 PM] : either that, or put your long guns on the wings so that, when the front engages an enemy, the wings can spread out and flank the enemy
[8/15/2014 4:59:52 PM] : You know what this is for right? You might have a lot of fun with this whole concept.
[8/15/2014 5:00:32 PM] : no, because I've been gone for a month
[8/15/2014 5:00:32 PM] : XD
[8/15/2014 5:00:52 PM] : though if Moxy was involved, I'm picking up an attack on titan influence here
[8/15/2014 5:01:45 PM] : Nope. This has been my workload.
[8/15/2014 5:01:54 PM] : gotcha
[8/15/2014 5:02:12 PM] : is this a Neighponese unit meant to engage the Enclave?
[8/15/2014 5:02:49 PM Edited 5:02:53 PM] : http://luneria.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Equestria:Legacy_Notes/Tabbed 
Neighpon>Characters>Valkyries
or
Characters>Post-War>Valkyries
[8/15/2014 5:04:04 PM] : I see
[8/15/2014 5:04:33 PM] : well, great thing about aerial combat in Equestria being done by ponies, is that you can still utilize infantry tactics
[8/15/2014 5:05:09 PM] : jets and the like use different tactics due to their design, such as the whole "can't turn on a dime because I'm breaking 8 gees" stuff
[8/15/2014 5:05:31 PM] : Yeah the constant forward thrust makes fine turning tricky...
[8/15/2014 5:06:36 PM] : Naturally you still get input on everything, nothing is truly set.
[8/15/2014 5:06:56 PM Edited 5:07:05 PM] : until you know... like a year after the story has actually been written.
[8/15/2014 5:07:10 PM] : XD
[8/15/2014 5:07:24 PM] : well they're yours, but I can advise militarily
[8/15/2014 5:07:53 PM] : Well, I might technically own most of the characters, but they're resources for the Legacies story.
[8/15/2014 5:08:16 PM] : and I can distribute them as needed. Like I gave Rising star to Lore. She's Lore's pony now.
[8/15/2014 5:08:40 PM] : https://rdl.train.army.mil/catalog-ws/view/100.ATSC/04183AF4-34EB-47F0-BCEE-29C93432DA49-1274564010088/3-21.8/image051.jpg
[8/15/2014 5:08:41 PM] : So outside of a few of them, I'/d more consider them "ours" rather than strictly "mine"
[8/15/2014 5:09:07 PM] : that link shows a basic infantry platoon column squad column fire team wedge
[8/15/2014 5:09:10 PM] : There's a few details that I want to have set about them, since they're homage/expy/ponifactions of other characters I mostly admire.
[8/15/2014 5:09:25 PM] : your design harkens to it already, which is good
[8/15/2014 5:09:37 PM] : I'm met with one of the sadest things I've ever seen when I click on that link.
[8/15/2014 5:09:52 PM] : your interceptors are the platoon leader (PLT LDR) and Platoon sergeant (PSG)
[8/15/2014 5:09:57 PM] : ????
[8/15/2014 5:10:15 PM] : http://i.gyazo.com/5bacd591c1a18f6aad4fee06a3431104.png
[8/15/2014 5:10:30 PM] : lol yeah
[8/15/2014 5:10:35 PM] : can't trust the military
[8/15/2014 5:10:47 PM] : we're evil
[8/15/2014 5:11:05 PM] : Other than trusting you lot with my life like... everyday.
[8/15/2014 5:11:09 PM] : didn't you ever hear of the 60's?
[8/15/2014 5:11:10 PM] : XD
[8/15/2014 5:11:23 PM] : Well, what're you gonna do
[8/15/2014 5:11:29 PM] : it is safe, you can proceed
[8/15/2014 5:11:34 PM] : it's just an image
[8/15/2014 5:11:44 PM] : Already clicked proceed after getting the gyazo snapshot
[8/15/2014 5:12:37 PM] : I like how the actual thing forms kind of a lightning bolt.
[8/15/2014 5:12:52 PM] : so yeah, what you see there is, each squad has it's own wedge, and these wedges are stacked one behind each other
[8/15/2014 5:13:07 PM] : on the ground, these guys would be 5-10 meters apart (hand grenade range)
[8/15/2014 5:13:23 PM] : so, no matter where you get contact from, soldiers can all engage
[8/15/2014 5:14:10 PM] : the AR's, Automatic Riflemen (your squad light machine guns) alternate sides, keeping the balance of power. Same with the GRN (grenadiers) are done the same way
[8/15/2014 5:14:39 PM] : all leaders, such as the SL's (Squad leader) and PL and PSG are all centered within the formations
[8/15/2014 5:15:12 PM] : Is there a legend that explains the abbrivviations?
[8/15/2014 5:15:28 PM] : probably one you could look up
[8/15/2014 5:19:48 PM] : Does it make a difference that this is a squadron rather than a platoon?
[8/15/2014 5:20:13 PM] : TL = team leader, controls one of the two teams which make up a 9 man squad.
SL = Squad Leader, controls the squad through his two team leaders
RFLM= rifleman, basic infantry soldier
GRN = Grenadier, rifleman with an underbarrel grenade launcher, in charge of using explosive ordinance
AR = Automatic Rifleman, carries the Squad SAW machine gun, largest squad casualty inducing weapons
MG Crew = In every platoon you have 2-3 Heavy crew served machine guns, usually M240B's which fire in a larger caliber than the SAW's. These crews are 3 man teams. While organized as a Weapons Squad, they are usually divided up and attached to platoon leadership. 
PLT LDR = platoon leader. Your officer, they control the entire element and are in charge
PSG = Platoon sergeant, is in charge of accountability, manuevering the MG teams, and is the Assistant Platoon leader. If the PL dies, he takes charge.
[8/15/2014 5:20:19 PM] : That's your call Cher bear
[8/15/2014 5:20:50 PM] : again, "squadrons" are organized different because they're airborne vehicles like helos and jets
[8/15/2014 5:21:23 PM] : so it depends if you'd rather have these Valkyries operate more as dogfighters and air support, or like a flying infantry unit
[8/15/2014 5:22:25 PM] : We probably need something new since they can technically switch, being flying ponies and all. Yes, with flight talismens built into the armor of the unicorn and earth pony characters.
[8/15/2014 5:22:36 PM] : and again, at the end of the day this is just army infantry tactics. Great thing about fantasy, you can do what the hell you want XD
[8/15/2014 5:22:53 PM] : True.
[8/15/2014 5:23:06 PM] : well, you can adapt some of what I've pulled up and mix it with air tactics
[8/15/2014 5:23:10 PM] : thats your call
[8/15/2014 5:23:59 PM] : Texchnically that's your call, since any combat depicted will probably be written (and thus decided) by you and moxy. I'm just helping to create resources to be used.
[8/15/2014 5:24:22 PM] : and anything involving writing actual tactics I'd defer to you
[8/15/2014 5:24:22 PM] : haha
[8/15/2014 5:24:34 PM] : bows
[8/15/2014 5:24:37 PM] : here to serve
[8/15/2014 5:25:07 PM] : well, any basic engagement has three elements
[8/15/2014 5:25:14 PM] : assault, support, and security
[8/15/2014 5:25:35 PM] : security watches the flanks, support pins down the enemy, and assault flanks and attacks
[8/15/2014 5:26:10 PM] : Feel free to let me know the specifics of what I need to change. the image is all vector so the
[Thursday, August 14, 2014 12:51 AM] : 
<<< Did you make them look like shogi peices on purpose?
Can be moved around freely.
[8/15/2014 5:26:55 PM] : so, in the case of the air, what differs is cover and concealment. You have NO cover, and concealment depends solely on weather and clouds
[8/15/2014 5:27:24 PM] : air engagements have much LONGER ranges, since you see the enemy much farther away
[8/15/2014 5:28:18 PM] : so your support element (usually the front wedge) needs to have the longest range
[8/15/2014 5:28:24 PM] : also given you have Z indexing a unit in formation ahead of you isn't necessarily in front of you.
[8/15/2014 5:29:09 PM] : your assault element, middle wedge, needs to be fast and powerful
[8/15/2014 5:29:27 PM] : they have to not only flank the enemy, but also overwhelm and overrun them
[8/15/2014 5:29:51 PM] : in conflict with the Enclave, there's not gonna be much ground-based combat
[8/15/2014 5:30:23 PM] : but I don't think they'll be the only two forces vying for control of the Neighponese Wasteland
[8/15/2014 5:30:33 PM] : that depends on your equipment and the environement
[8/15/2014 5:30:35 PM] : also
[8/15/2014 5:30:37 PM] : Yeah, I was kind of adapting this from something where there were no air units due to the enemie's anti-air lasers.
[8/15/2014 5:30:49 PM Edited 5:30:51 PM] : if your enemy EXCELS at airborne combat, where would you want to engage them?
[8/15/2014 5:31:29 PM] : (Also it was the Americans that initially developed the mechs known as tactical surface fighters, which is why the American's TSF's designations are the same as the jets that they would have developed had they been able to develop jets.
[8/15/2014 5:31:35 PM] : I suppose they should be specialized for combat in cities then?
[8/15/2014 5:31:52 PM] : or areas where air cover means little
[8/15/2014 5:31:56 PM] : let me put it this way
[8/15/2014 5:32:05 PM] : our current military is struggling with this
[8/15/2014 5:32:45 PM] : why has the Taliban and Al-Qaeda been able to last against us? It's because we ruled the skies, and depended on that power. So they adapted and fought in a way where our air power meant nothing
[8/15/2014 5:33:07 PM] : so this really depends on how you want these Valkyries to fight
[8/15/2014 5:33:13 PM] : 
[Friday, August 15, 2014 5:32 PM] : 
<<< but I don't think they'll be the only two forces vying for control of the Neighponese Wasteland
Just to specify my thinking... 
[Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:09 PM] : 
<<< what if the Legacies found that a tiny hole had been drilled into the amber to Wolfberry and later discover that the Berserker ghoulification process was created as a result of sompony trying to replicate Wolfberry's strength using his (mutated) DNA?
[8/15/2014 5:33:19 PM] : hiding in buildings when someone gets a killstreak drone.
[8/15/2014 5:33:24 PM] : conventional? Or Asymmetrical (guerrila)?
[8/15/2014 5:34:39 PM] : Whichever is more fitting to the situation I suppose.
[8/15/2014 5:35:57 PM] : well... those styles vary
[8/15/2014 5:35:59 PM] : a lot
[8/15/2014 5:36:10 PM] : Yeah we can make more factions. I'll still finish fleshing out the valkyrie, but I think I have enough named characters and such for the story to work, since the story isn't specifically about the valkyries.
[8/15/2014 5:36:11 PM] : it's why we have Tier 1 and Tier 2 operational forces
[8/15/2014 5:36:34 PM] : they're in power armor, would guerrila tactics still work for them?
[8/15/2014 5:36:40 PM] : well, if you make Valkyrie subfactions of Tier 1 and Tier 2 fighting... congrats CB. You've made an army
[8/15/2014 5:36:48 PM] : seems like it could slow them down and make them too obvious..
[8/15/2014 5:36:49 PM] : Chinese Stealth Armor Mox?
[8/15/2014 5:36:58 PM] : they ain't Zebra
[8/15/2014 5:37:06 PM] : Neighponese stealth armor, based on ninjutsu.
[8/15/2014 5:37:11 PM] : depends on the type? Give up some armor for better mobility
[8/15/2014 5:37:13 PM] : also ^
[8/15/2014 5:37:19 PM Edited 5:37:30 PM] : technically the zebra had stealth cloaks.
[8/15/2014 5:37:37 PM] : guess they'd take a hit in terms of DT?
[8/15/2014 5:37:40 PM] : Though stealth clocks would have been funny.
[8/15/2014 5:37:43 PM] : it's a natural extenson, given the Enclave armor is a weaker but more mobile variant of the Ranger armor
[8/15/2014 5:37:50 PM] : precisely mox
[8/15/2014 5:38:03 PM] : but 1+ Agility
[8/15/2014 5:38:06 PM] : Could be mixed, like the BOS have.
[8/15/2014 5:38:25 PM] : Some lighter for the scouting operations, some heavier for those that are weilding the heavier weapons.
[8/15/2014 5:38:25 PM] : yeah, heavier combat team members using full-scale models
[8/15/2014 5:38:34 PM] : Finally got Rules of Nature, Locked and Loaded Remix on my ipod
[8/15/2014 5:38:37 PM] : yesssssssss
[8/15/2014 5:39:11 PM] :
[Friday, August 15, 2014 5:36 PM] : 
<<< congrats CB. You've made an army
[Tuesday, August 12, 2014 3:39 AM] : 
<<< I'm designing an army of ponies.
[8/15/2014 5:39:43 PM] : That is the intent with the valkyries being a single squadron of the Royal Neo-Neighponese Army.
[8/15/2014 5:39:44 PM] : yep.
[8/15/2014 5:40:05 PM] : then the Tier 1 or 2 force can be a different unit I guess
[8/15/2014 5:40:24 PM] : Interesting that your Royal Neighponese are drawing on German lore
[8/15/2014 5:40:31 PM] : well, Viking to be precise
[8/15/2014 5:40:44 PM] : you could have a Tengu squadron too
[8/15/2014 5:40:47 PM] : Oni
[8/15/2014 5:40:52 PM] : Kami
[8/15/2014 5:41:02 PM] : I'm sure you've thought of all this
[8/15/2014 5:41:06 PM] : Technically it was Urd.
[8/15/2014 5:41:12 PM] : but yes.
[8/15/2014 5:41:29 PM] : I'm more or less adapting stuff from another source.
[8/15/2014 5:41:40 PM] : 
[8/6/2014 12:24:34 PM] : either that or simply culture invasion by Equestria during the war
[8/6/2014 12:25:01 PM] Cherry Bloom: That'd explain giving the Valkyries two names.
[8/6/2014 12:25:25 PM] : and it'd make sense with Equestria's equivalence to the US in the war
[8/15/2014 5:41:41 PM] : beep
[8/15/2014 5:42:02 PM] : Eeyup.
[8/15/2014 5:43:40 PM] : I might adapt some of the other squadrons, but since this is the group that will be interacting with the Legacies (and technically one of them is now too) I've put the focus more on them,.
[8/15/2014 5:44:19 PM] : Because there's always the potential for 
"So long as there's more than one way to reach a mutual goal, decisions and ideas on how best to acheive that goal lead to some level of conflict"
[8/15/2014 5:44:26 PM] : but I might be paraphrasing there.
[8/15/2014 5:44:40 PM] : such is the army my friend XD
[8/15/2014 5:47:02 PM] : Tvtropes to the rescue
[8/15/2014 5:47:05 PM] : Badass Army: Medal of Honor (2010): The Army Rangers manage to be this while also being shades of Redshirt Army, presumably to let you actually have friendly casualties during the game without having to kill off any members of your various squads. That said, the fact that three Rangers and an Air Force Enlisted Terminal Attack Controller managed to go up against an entire Taliban village and come out victorious is lampshaded.
Dusty: "That's why they're Rangers."
The Tier 1 operators know that they would have serious difficulty in doing the same thing and in fact, AFO Neptune does. Their focus is much narrower, based on speed, stealth and tactical exfil at the end of the day. Tier 2 Rangers are more focused on conventional warfare, and they're better at it.
[8/15/2014 5:47:39 PM] : ^ last part is what I'm referring to. Medal of Honor actually nailed that
[8/15/2014 5:48:15 PM] : if you threw a Squad of Rangers and a Squad of Special Forces into a pitched firefight, the Rangers would fare better. Conventional warfare is what they train for
[8/15/2014 5:48:48 PM] : If you wanted to execute an HVT quietly behind enemy lines, then SF would fare better
[8/15/2014 5:49:17 PM] : Fortunatly Fallout isn't as crapsack as muvluv alternative is.
[8/15/2014 5:50:18 PM] : hmmm
[8/15/2014 5:50:41 PM] : I need to stop this, otherwise Cherry's gonna make me wanna make a Legacies guerrilla force
[8/15/2014 5:52:07 PM] : I can help, but there'd be more than one paramilitary force running around
[8/15/2014 5:52:18 PM] : I was getting inspired by Reilly's Rangers
[8/15/2014 5:52:43 PM] : a small, asymmetric warfighter unit would be smart in an apocalypse
[8/15/2014 5:52:48 PM] : sorry, carry on
[8/15/2014 5:57:23 PM] : Well, Native Equestrians are already guerrilla fighters, thought about making a small team of them that fight as an insurgency. Of course, it's a spur of the moment idea
[8/15/2014 5:57:24 PM] : no real reason, motive, or goal
[8/15/2014 6:01:22 PM] : The team I'm thinking of goes light. Light barding, rifles, knives and short blades
[8/15/2014 6:01:31 PM] : run fast and fight faster
[8/15/2014 6:01:57 PM] : granted, I'm reading Horse Soldiers which is biasing my thinkng atm
[8/15/2014 6:02:10 PM] : book about the first SF units sent into Afghanistan after 9/11
[8/15/2014 6:02:13 PM] : fascinating stuff
[8/15/2014 6:39:18 PM] : Also where do you want your rangers to be? Would could have them as separate from the Neo-Neighpon army or part of it, either in Equestria or Neighpon so on.
[8/15/2014 6:40:02 PM] : mine wouldn't be "rangers"
[8/15/2014 6:41:17 PM] : I kind of thought something along the lines of the Fallout Badlands
[8/15/2014 6:42:09 PM] : given that the NE's lived in the plains before, it would make sense for those who survive that long to adapt to surviving in insane situations
[8/15/2014 6:42:14 PM] : basically, a survivalist group
[8/15/2014 6:43:42 PM] : after hundreds of years of surviving the Wasteland, they come out a small but extremely effective fighting force
[8/15/2014 6:43:52 PM] : they don't fight up front, they'd get destroyed
[8/15/2014 6:44:38 PM] : hit and run tactics
[8/15/2014 6:44:43 PM] : attack and raid supply lines
[8/15/2014 6:45:08 PM] : The Mustangs, perhaps? For a name?
[8/15/2014 6:47:30 PM] : I like it, a new faction to find when they come back to Equestria~
[8/15/2014 6:48:04 PM] : OH SHIT
[8/15/2014 6:48:15 PM] : Dreamcatcher can include the Survivalist's Rifle
[8/15/2014 6:48:27 PM] : yeah, that's pretty Honest Hearts
[8/15/2014 6:48:28 PM] : or something spun off of it
[8/15/2014 6:48:29 PM] : Or on the way to neighpon and the Mustangs could help them get to the boat.
[8/15/2014 6:48:40 PM] : Or both.
[8/15/2014 6:48:54 PM] : either way, they could be involved in fighting the Enclave during Cauterize
[8/15/2014 6:49:40 PM] : eeyup
[8/15/2014 6:49:47 PM] : they would be a pain in the ass
[8/15/2014 6:50:17 PM] : cutting supply lines, calling in strikes, reconning the enemy
[8/15/2014 6:50:37 PM] : Dual question: How did the Mustangs lineage survive the megaspells, was it ever said how they did it in Honest hearts?
[8/15/2014 6:51:35 PM] : I don't remember how they said the people who first came to the valley survived the blast (if they did)
[8/15/2014 6:51:46 PM] : mostly, bombs didn't go off everywhere
[8/15/2014 6:51:56 PM] : some people, small tribal groups, survived in cloistered areas
[8/15/2014 6:52:12 PM] : in the case of Honest hearts, it was such groups, merged with some people who came out of the Vaults
[8/15/2014 6:52:23 PM] : why did they keep surviving?
[8/15/2014 6:52:49 PM] : Because Zion National park's natural geography acted as a barrier, keeping out radiation and such
[8/15/2014 6:52:57 PM] : hence why the water and food there isn't radioactive
[8/15/2014 6:52:59 PM] : some of the Native Equestrians might have just been lucky enough to be in isolated safer zones, though they'd likely be scattered and few and it'd be a long time before they were anything like what the tribes were before
[8/15/2014 6:54:04 PM] : oh no
[8/15/2014 6:54:10 PM] : tribes got decimated for sure
[8/15/2014 6:54:47 PM] : but yeah, these are a group of ponies who survived in the harsher parts of the world BEFORE the bombs
[8/15/2014 6:54:54 PM] : maybe the lost remnants of all the different tribes came together to form their new tribe? or go full Honest Hearts
[8/15/2014 6:54:55 PM] : ...
[8/15/2014 6:54:58 PM] : so they're kind of in a strong position to survive
[8/15/2014 6:55:00 PM] : Burned Mare
[8/15/2014 6:55:03 PM] : basically
[8/15/2014 6:55:15 PM] : yeah
[8/15/2014 6:55:24 PM] : could have the Burned Mare lead the Mustangs?
[8/15/2014 6:55:48 PM] : sort of a merge between Reilly's Rangers and Joshua Graham's Dead Horses
[8/15/2014 6:55:57 PM] : what would she be a pariah from?
[8/15/2014 6:56:00 PM] : or would she be?
[8/15/2014 6:56:16 PM] : Red Eye?
[8/15/2014 6:56:23 PM] : that can work
[8/15/2014 6:56:26 PM] : won over by his charisma, regrets her actions?
[8/15/2014 6:56:55 PM] : gets set on fire, and left in the most hellish place Red Eye can find
[8/15/2014 6:57:22 PM] : and trust a group of survivalists to find her
[8/15/2014 6:57:30 PM] : beep: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17ND78jc1ez_YMz7EQPBY5jSSTnlbAJZarrHa9sxRfOw/edit
[8/15/2014 6:57:42 PM] : forgot about this one
[8/15/2014 6:58:06 PM] : my internet is ass, is that the short piece we did of Marshmellow Graham at Luneria?
[8/15/2014 6:58:17 PM] : yeah
[8/15/2014 6:58:43 PM] : also, this was written during your time away: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rrh3qC6mvyXhr_0st-rCRa7CqORuUPIKVSjUgFSqOuo/edit
[8/15/2014 6:59:42 PM] : yeah, this idea would sort of end that. But I could always take it away from Honest Hearts if you guys wanted to keep that
[8/15/2014 6:59:47 PM] : doesn't matter to me
[8/15/2014 7:00:04 PM] : this group is more just sudden inspiration after talking about CB's Valkyries
[8/15/2014 7:03:48 PM Edited 7:05:45 PM] :
[Friday, August 15, 2014 6:52 PM] :
<<< Because Zion National park's natural geography acted as a barrier, keeping out radiation and such
So more just the Fallout creators pulling this stuff out of their butts... since you know...
[Monday, August 04, 2014 12:41 PM] :
<<< "In 2077, 13 nuclear weapons hit the city in the span of 7 minutes, destroying it entirely and leaving only craters, warped steel girders, and mounds of bricks making up the remains of the city. In 2281, the Salt Lake City area has a strong presence of Caesar's Legion and their servants, the White Legs. The area is also known to have been covered by giant mantises."
[Monday, August 04, 2014 12:46 PM] :
<<< "The megaton class weapons have been largely retired, being replaced with much smaller yield warheads. The yield of a modern strategic warhead is, with few exceptions, now typically in the range of 200-750kT."
[8/4/2014 12:52:30 PM Edited 12:52:39 PM] : Also Its worth noting that the Fatman that was dropped on Nagasaki had a yield between 21 and 22 kilotons. Meaning that the Fallout warheads had at least 10 times the yield as that one did.
200KT-750KT * 13 vs. http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/5-zion-national-park-utah-utah-images.jpg
==Eighteenth==
[8/18/2014 12:44:31 AM] : Well anyway, his rough idea is that Noir and Dissen share control over a Securatron
[8/18/2014 12:45:07 AM] : prebomb day's they are transfered into a digital format and become dual concious AI's.
[8/18/2014 12:48:34 AM] : Ah. M.P.D.
A Multiple Personality Droid.
[8/18/2014 12:51:10 AM] : Yep! neither being evil/bad i guess but they will hold different personalities and ideals
[8/18/2014 12:51:36 AM] : Dissen being more of a Pinkie Pie type, so her advice may not always have the best outcomes
[8/18/2014 1:12:48 AM] : how would they have been involved in the war?
[8/18/2014 1:22:00 AM] : heya
[8/18/2014 1:22:41 AM] : Hi! *hugs Noir!*
[8/18/2014 1:23:08 AM] : i hadnt thought too much about them being in the war, becaus ei thought it may be cool to ahve a character that while they existed while the war was on was essentiall not involved directly
[8/18/2014 1:23:25 AM] : So like Victor from Fallout New Vegas, TV mointor to show who’s the active personality?
[8/18/2014 1:30:10 AM] : how would they wind up as AI/in the securitron?
[8/18/2014 1:33:38 AM] : Well, Noir and Dissen are essentaially Cartoon characters brought to life by Discord’s magic.
[8/18/2014 1:37:38 AM] : I imagine it might be a case of Lucky Coinsidence. Someone was being naughty and playing a copy of the cartoon on a securitron monitor when the megaspells went off, possible just on the outer edge of the falloff, Noir and Dissen might have been trying to figure out how to get home through the securitoron monitor when the edge of the megaspell hit and since Noir and Dissen are essentially embodiments of chaos magic Noir and Dissen were “embedded” into the securitron.
[8/18/2014 1:38:36 AM] : Might be slightly less of a coinsidence if the pony was a fan of noir and Dissen and was showing them the cartoon at the time.
[8/18/2014 1:39:39 AM] : Basically the interaction between the chaos magic and the megaspell, which already uses a combiner meta magic in its matrix.
[8/18/2014 1:40:22 AM] : And of course since the robots of the mlp world are running off of their own magic, the three magics intereacted resulting in Noir’s idea.
[8/18/2014 1:40:37 AM] : At least that’s an idea for how it could work.
==Twentieth==
[8/20/2014 11:26:29 PM] : With Moxy's approval, I want to keep the Gemini twins alive in a way during legacies
[8/20/2014 11:26:50 PM] : But they are kept to forms that I guess could be worded best as manifestations on magic
[8/20/2014 11:39:24 PM] : Ultimate evolution of their magic given their ability to swap bodies.
[8/20/2014 11:50:14 PM] : I am still settling on the details on their final existence as mortal beings. But following D dady they will make the painstaking return to ruins of their kingdom, offering a swift death for those who requested release. Eventually coming to rest together upon the Throne together, in their last moments tying their very souls to the kingdom itself and forsaking what would have been their eternal rest to instead forever protect and watch over it.
[8/20/2014 11:52:30 PM] : The Kingdom itself becoming somewhat akin to the Church in PH, with Pilgrims travelling from all over to be releasedfrom the Wasteland, The sister's still taking those who request it from them.
[8/20/2014 11:52:47 PM] : They themselves would be unable to leave the realms of their soul jar,
[8/20/2014 11:55:20 PM] : Each would hold the shape of a alicorn shaped pony crafted from magic, one in black and one in white but telling which sister is which would be impossible. They are unable to speak, and while still holding intelligence it is not the same as when they were alive. They react very much on instinct,
[8/20/2014 11:56:55 PM] : This could also cause Wastelanders to seek solace within the Kingdom's walls, but those who enter with malicious intent would meet a swift death.
[8/20/2014 11:58:26 PM] : Its...a bit grim, but works for the setting I hope.
[8/20/2014 11:59:46 PM] : Possibly. Not sure if when it’d come up in legacies. Though with them being... semi dead... if Cherry Could still talk to them if it were ever to come up, you know, given her link to talking to the dead and imaginary beings that partly dwell on the astral plane’s realm of dreams and imagination and all.
==Twenty First==
[8/21/2014 12:00:14 AM] : The power of their soul jar would be intensified by the creation of two Alicorns, and while somewhat under pressure it was in no way the same stress as celestia's who's was formed upon her already weakened body and dying breath
[8/21/2014 12:02:11 AM] : I am unsure what their place would be on the Astral plane if any, as that again would go back to the Soul Jar thing. Creating one means you will shatter your sould and may never find rest in the afterlife
[8/21/2014 12:03:36 AM] : Actually, I really am unsure. Looking up the wiki page didn't help much either,
[8/21/2014 12:04:09 AM] : Doesn’t seem to be their full soul if they can’t manifest themselves/their personality. Drawing again from PH where full souls seem to be able to ... “Leak” and have some manifestation of personality. Its really your call though
[8/21/2014 12:06:49 AM] : I think I would prefer to keep them unable to converse in the normal world or astral plane, they would still be able to recognise Cherry for who she is and can still understand speech through any tongue.
[8/21/2014 12:13:13 AM] : I had the thought forthe party crossing through the kingdom, and seeing message's covering the outside walls "Long Live the Queen's" upon entry though they do stumble across the twins and one of the party repeats the phrase to them, not realizing this was what the Pilgrims told them when wanting death. While the twins approach the Pony who recited it, one of the other in the group would need to mentally piece together what they had seen in the town and discover what their party member had accidentally requested, hurridly begging the sisters to stop as they stood before the other pony and hurridly explain he did not know of what he asked. The twins would nod solemly and leave, perhaps the almost victim still not quite aware of the fate they had so narrowly avoided
[8/21/2014 12:16:39 AM] : Could have Cherry be the one who pleads. Given her Royalty status might give a lean into some ettiquite based thing,and her high charisma would have her begging be more effective?
[8/21/2014 12:17:40 AM] : Saying “Long live the queens” to two near specters might have a higher “That’s an odd thing to do.” for her.
[8/21/2014 12:18:09 AM] : Maybe Little Seed was saying it out of what she thought was respect?
[8/21/2014 12:20:05 AM] : I generally have Cherry with a lower than 5 perception due to her “distractable nature” she lacks focus on what’s supposed to be important and often looks at various other things that catch her interest.
[8/21/2014 12:20:58 AM] : So while she might get in trouble for nearly setting off traps or failing to notice other dangers that might be lurking she might be being distracted by the signs that the others thought unimportant.
[8/21/2014 12:21:05 AM] : Thats true, and that could work well. They are not evil, quite the opposite they are Chaotic Good aligned, they don't take lives out of anger nor spite but as a way of saving them. Which again they wont do unless upon request, unless the pony enters with malicious intent, slavers, feral ghouls ect
[8/21/2014 12:22:44 AM] : Well, feral ghouls don’t really have malicious intent any more than wild animals would. They don’t attack out of some cruelty, they attack because they’re hungry. This makes them no less dangerous, but intent would imply the long term thinking part of their brains to be able to assess consiquences
[8/21/2014 12:24:18 AM] : True..I may have to think a bit more on the twins ability to access situations,
[8/21/2014 12:25:25 AM] : Anyway, thats a bit of a rough concept for them
[8/21/2014 12:29:08 AM] : Negatives would be they are locked to their kingdom, only seem to function as a pair, and while inteligent they are more locked to instinct and from reading other emotions,
[8/21/2014 12:29:21 AM Edited 12:29:36 AM] : Trying to not be too OP, ^^:
[8/21/2014 12:29:56 AM] : Sounds more Dark Souls than Fallout, imo...
[8/21/2014 12:34:54 AM] : Well, their base story would stay the same either way
[8/21/2014 12:36:23 AM] : Its difficult because FOE kind of encompases so many different elements it can become hard to stick to "core" FOE
[8/21/2014 12:39:07 AM] : If my post legacies idea won't stick, they can simply die upon return to their kingdom. it would mean though we would need to tack together some reason for the party to go there and get access to the Sword and Shield
[8/21/2014 1:13:35 AM] : I think I need to learn more about the details regarding the two.
==Twenty Second==
[8/22/2014 8:43:56 PM] : Makes me wonder how Wolfberry will interact with Channeler and little seed.
[8/22/2014 8:48:48 PM | Edited 8:48:58 PM] : Makes me want to have a non-canon fight with Ghoul Wolfberry. since you know... powering up/multiple forms thing.
[8/22/2014 8:49:08 PM] : well, I wanted to ask you something
[8/22/2014 8:49:18 PM] : so you know how we have Channeler dying?
[8/22/2014 8:49:28 PM] : and in a Last Stand, channels ?
[8/22/2014 8:49:51 PM] : it got me thinking, Catch and Blue tag team so much they'd have a rep
[8/22/2014 8:50:07 PM] : Cascade has all of Blue's soul protecting him as his armor
[8/22/2014 8:50:38 PM] : could have a sort of Catch and Blue have one last tag team fight, channeled through Cascade and Channel
[8/22/2014 8:52:03 PM] : plus it would split them off from Little Seed and Moxy, who could have a little moment alone at the moment of restoring the Yggdrasil
[8/22/2014 8:52:20 PM] : Well, the point of non-canon things is they don’t have to ad here to canon, like With Moxy’s tree drop or a giant ghoul wolfberry fighting a kaiju.
[8/22/2014 8:52:28 PM] : wait
[8/22/2014 8:52:31 PM] : wait wait wait
[8/22/2014 8:52:42 PM] : WOLFBERRY IS FIGHTING A KAIJU?
[8/22/2014 8:52:45 PM] : THATS FUCKIN AWESOME
[8/22/2014 8:53:03 PM | Edited 8:53:09 PM] : I don't think he understands you...
[8/22/2014 8:53:15 PM] : XD
[8/22/2014 8:53:18 PM] : Well its non-canon. sort of joking about the fact that ghoul wolfberry grows in size the more radiation he absorbs. so taking that to comical lengths, Kaiju fight.
[8/22/2014 8:53:30 PM] : well I was asking if you were cool with that idea?
[8/22/2014 8:54:05 PM] : Do we know who Channeler is killed by at this point?
[8/22/2014 8:54:08 PM] : Whatever is chasing the crew to try to stop them injures Channel, he stays back to hold them off to let Little seed and Moxy get to site, and Cas stays back
[8/22/2014 8:54:09 PM] : With Blue we have the “soul leak” thing from PH to use.
[8/22/2014 8:54:13 PM] : not really
[8/22/2014 8:55:06 PM] : Yeah CB, my thought was maybe, once Cas has all the parts, Blue's soul is all back in one spot, and when Channeler channels , the presence of his friend's soul "sparks" Blue's soul into coming to the surface
[8/22/2014 8:55:31 PM] : Y'know, I like better the idea that Channeler and Cascade always work well together, yes?
[8/22/2014 8:55:37 PM] : so Cascade would like this: 
[8/22/2014 8:55:55 PM] : makes sense, given their ancestry
[8/22/2014 8:56:13 PM] : Moxy and Channel are rivals, but Channel and Cas are bash brothers?
[8/22/2014 8:56:17 PM] : Well the good news is that we did have plans for Cas to regain all of Blue’s soul at some point.
[8/22/2014 8:56:30 PM] : I’m loving this idea.
[8/22/2014 8:56:43 PM] : I may just commish Cas with Blue's soul hanging over like that
[8/22/2014 8:56:46 PM] : just looks so badass
[8/22/2014 8:58:16 PM] : snuggles all
[8/22/2014 8:58:20 PM] : snuggles Lore!
[8/22/2014 8:58:50 PM] : I wonder if DA is loading like butt to everyone or if its just me :/
[8/22/2014 8:58:53 PM] : Green and Blue Dragons of Luneria?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlmkc2xrMEk
[8/22/2014 8:59:39 PM] : I like the idea, but I think Blue manifesting might be be a bit much... Couldn't we just have the armor glow in places or something like that?
[8/22/2014 8:59:59 PM] : killjoy
[8/22/2014 9:00:04 PM] : XD
[8/22/2014 9:00:06 PM] : The manifestation might be non-diagetic.
[8/22/2014 9:00:40 PM] : ?
[8/22/2014 9:01:07 PM] : Define diagetic?
[8/22/2014 9:01:13 PM] : XD
[8/22/2014 9:02:21 PM] : Things that are diagetic occur in the world and the characters experience them. Non-diagetic are things that happen for the audience but didn’t actually happen in world. Like Anime sweat drops, the visuals you see in some songs in Mlp.. that sort of thing
[8/22/2014 9:03:09 PM] : Ah. How would we do that though?
[8/22/2014 9:04:05 PM] : We don't have to do it, just came to me that, seeing as how much we have Catch and Blue fight together, it's be neat for them to have one last hurrah just as their descendants fight together for the last time
[8/22/2014 9:04:51 PM] : I know, I put way too much thought and double meanings into stuff
[8/22/2014 9:04:52 PM] : In text it’d certainly be tricky. It’d feel like a battle aura or pressure, to those that know of it... and we ... that’s right we have a pinkie Pie type pony for such things that’s readily available to use should you want.
[8/22/2014 9:05:47 PM] : Plus Channeler directly channels spirits. As in Catcher would be there and would sense Blue nearby.
[8/22/2014 9:06:19 PM] : SHAMAN KING~
[8/22/2014 9:06:29 PM] : Sorry, that reference was too easy
[8/22/2014 9:08:11 PM] : I made a spirit channeler character once... and I’ve been toying at the idea of Cherry imitating a certain Pearl named spirit channeller for Phoenix Wright RP.
[8/22/2014 9:08:30 PM] : Objection?
[8/22/2014 9:09:21 PM] : 
[8/22/2014 9:09:50 PM] : Okay, is it bad that I love the way AoT visualizes battle damage?
I love the idea of a character throwing a punch with so much power his flesh tears and bones break from sheer force
[8/22/2014 9:10:11 PM] : Like I said, I like the idea, it's just having Blue's spirit physically manifest that I'm uncertain on.
[8/22/2014 9:10:32 PM] : Yeah, love me some AoT
[8/22/2014 9:10:59 PM] : Cherry Bloom can see spirits. Its part of her deal as being tied to the astral plane, which in turn allowed to to do a large scale illusion.
[8/22/2014 9:11:31 PM] : We can talk about it more when I'm not about to leave XD
Just wanted to broach the idea to you pones
[8/22/2014 9:11:51 PM | Edited 9:12:15 PM] : So wait... Cascade is gonna be wearing the armor his great ( *)grandfather's corpse was riding around in for two centuries?
[8/22/2014 9:12:01 PM] : shudders.
[8/22/2014 9:12:22 PM] : You mean riding around in two centuries ago? Then yes
[8/22/2014 9:12:39 PM] : Well I thought he was going to have the sword...
[8/22/2014 9:12:47 PM | Edited 9:14:04 PM] : (Never mind what this said)
[8/22/2014 9:12:49 PM] : His soul was in there, but the corpse is probably rotted away now haha
[8/22/2014 9:13:20 PM | Edited 9:13:27 PM] : well the skeleton would be in there either way but.. depending on how sealed the armor was.. there’d be Blue Jerky in the suit.
[8/22/2014 9:13:25 PM] : There'd be bones at least
[8/22/2014 9:14:24 PM] : Pffft. Blue jerky
[8/22/2014 9:14:41 PM] : full on mummy.
[8/22/2014 9:15:05 PM] : Yeah, I'd expect that
[8/22/2014 9:15:26 PM] : Those suits would be too well sealed, especially one that's a soul jar.
[8/22/2014 9:15:37 PM] : Okay so, while I am utterly in love with the soul battle talk going on here, kinda stumped how what I was discussing yesterday was a no go and this is okay?
[8/22/2014 9:15:58 PM] : What did you discuss?
[8/22/2014 9:16:03 PM] : Moxy wasn’t all together at the time.
[8/22/2014 9:16:08 PM] : that panic attack thing.
[8/22/2014 9:16:13 PM] : wasn't here darling, he doesn't have context
[8/22/2014 9:16:39 PM] : Yeah, I was kind of in the middle of an anxiety attack at the time, I didn't object to the idea though
[8/22/2014 9:16:49 PM] : still lost guys
[8/22/2014 9:17:00 PM] : Just said it sounds kinda Dark Souls.
[8/22/2014 9:17:15 PM] : I can't really copy paste on mobile
[8/22/2014 9:17:16 PM] : Not like major FO:E stories didn’t go full on other game at times. *coughPHcoughMetalGearRising*
[8/22/2014 9:17:20 PM] : the Tl;dr version is the Gemini twin's stay on the mortal plane as essentially manifestations of magic after creationg a Soul Jar out of the ruins of their kingdom.
[8/22/2014 9:17:21 PM] : Ohhhh the long live the queens thing!?
[8/22/2014 9:17:32 PM] : Yeah yeah yeah
[8/22/2014 9:17:46 PM] : I don't think anyone actually objected though.
[8/22/2014 9:17:48 PM] : I thought it was neat, made me thing of the Sierra Madre DLC
[8/22/2014 9:17:57 PM] : Catcher tends to read backlog if its not from too long ago. which is why we’ve saved important legacies backlog for him.
[8/22/2014 9:18:07 PM] : Lore dear, I don't think we did ever object
[8/22/2014 9:18:18 PM] : Oh right with the holograms.
[8/22/2014 9:18:30 PM] : Sorry Cb, it's really hard with my limited time online to stay caught up
[8/22/2014 9:18:36 PM] : In this case a stronger sould manifestation.
[8/22/2014 9:18:56 PM] : nono, we know that, which is why we made the notes thing
[8/22/2014 9:19:19 PM] : so no need to apologize.
[8/22/2014 9:19:47 PM] : snuggles Catch
[8/22/2014 9:19:54 PM] : Honestly Lore, I think we were all on board. We probably will talk it more in depth and get the nitty gritty on how we integrate it to the story, but as far as I can tell were all cool with it
[8/22/2014 9:20:23 PM] : snuggles the Lore dear
[8/22/2014 9:21:30 PM] : Oh... what if channeller and Cherry both work together to talk the sisters down? Since they both deal with spirits?
[8/22/2014 9:21:35 PM] : What if they bonded themselves to some sort of (astral?) projection talisman within the throne room and unconsciously use it to project an image of the throne room as it once was over the ruins of what it is now?
[8/22/2014 9:22:15 PM] : Mix in a bit of Sierra Madre like Catch was saying?
[8/22/2014 9:22:27 PM] : ... Told you Lore
[8/22/2014 9:22:54 PM] : Cherry tech, two known functions Illusion/astral projection and dimensional pockets for expanded space.
“I’ve got the whole wasteland in my bags”
[8/22/2014 9:23:01 PM] : sits back smugly as Moxy and CB's enthusiasm to take up the idea proves him right
[8/22/2014 9:23:14 PM] : They could likely make a Soul Jar out of just the throne itself i guess? but their range of movement would still be locked to within the kingdom's walls
[8/22/2014 9:23:38 PM] : Hmm how about this
[8/22/2014 9:24:11 PM] : What about the crowns which were hidden under the thrones? I know there’s a specialness about their crowns to them. and its got gems... or can have gems.
[8/22/2014 9:24:23 PM] : If they were bonded to a central hologram security network like Sierra Madre, that'd limit them like that perfectly.
[8/22/2014 9:25:03 PM] : If they are holograms would they still hold the ability to interact with others?
[8/22/2014 9:25:04 PM] : Suggesting that the crowns are the soul jars?
[8/22/2014 9:25:12 PM] : Since we don't know how far they can project from their jar... Have a big jar.
Let's say that this kingdom has fountains, all of which were chiseled from a massive gold vein that existed throughout the kingdom. Even the throne was chiseled from this vein. So wherever the vein surfaces, they can project?
[8/22/2014 9:25:37 PM] : The Sierra Madre holograms were dangerous, and we can use magic!
[8/22/2014 9:25:42 PM] : XD
[8/22/2014 9:25:43 PM] : Holograms are light, lasers are light. densly clustered photons in the form of solid holograms.. are also light.
[8/22/2014 9:25:52 PM] : Assuming they soul bonded to the vein itself
[8/22/2014 9:26:10 PM] : The crowns is a cool idea, but I wanted to link both to one object, kind of assisting with the gemini thing aswell as creating an Alicorn Souljar so it may have lesser limits then others created during the war.
[8/22/2014 9:26:26 PM] : Doesn't have to be gold. Maybe an ebony and silver vein, fitting their characters
[8/22/2014 9:26:40 PM] : The crowns were used as a component of the hologram system?
[8/22/2014 9:27:06 PM] : Nevermind then
[8/22/2014 9:27:51 PM] :
[Friday, August 22, 2014 9:26 PM] :
<<< Maybe an ebony and silver vein,Obsidian?
Ebony is a wood.
[8/22/2014 9:28:03 PM] : It is?
[8/22/2014 9:28:09 PM] : Neat~
[8/22/2014 9:28:18 PM] : Oh yeah, sorry. Thinking skyrim
[8/22/2014 9:28:32 PM] : Onyx?
[8/22/2014 9:28:33 PM] : Yeah, it comes from Diospyros.
[8/22/2014 9:28:49 PM] : Obsidian doesn't form veins per say, since it's volcanic glass
[8/22/2014 9:29:02 PM] : Onyx or Jet do though
[8/22/2014 9:29:05 PM] : And you need a diamond pickaxe to get it x:
[8/22/2014 9:29:22 PM] : /newspaper
[8/22/2014 9:29:58 PM] : Well a mixed vein could be considered one object, be large enough to contain two alicorn souls, and go through the kingdom this justifying their omnipresence
[8/22/2014 9:30:15 PM] : Well its piossible for obsidian to come from a vein of sorts... in fact it more does since its a smoother type of volcanic rock it’d cool deeper, as near the surface you get bubbly.
[8/22/2014 9:31:00 PM] : But yeah, Obsidian, Jet, Onyx. All very nice choices of black rocks.
[8/22/2014 9:31:19 PM] : Though none of the other soul jars have had the ability to project or act beyond the existing capabilities of its host, have they?
[8/22/2014 9:32:03 PM] : Projecting in a sense is what Lore’s Gemini do.
[8/22/2014 9:32:17 PM] : into each others bodies mostly with the posability of others bodies.
[8/22/2014 9:32:19 PM] : Nope. Unless these carved fountains had magical projectors already or something installed inside them?
[8/22/2014 9:32:31 PM] : Celestia was still concious within her Souljar
[8/22/2014 9:32:38 PM] : That's a good poit
[8/22/2014 9:32:42 PM] : Point
[8/22/2014 9:32:43 PM] : But unable to act
[8/22/2014 9:32:57 PM] : We can go back to the Soul “leak” again with PH and Octavia.
[8/22/2014 9:32:59 PM] : She could only do as much as the computer she was in
[8/22/2014 9:33:02 PM] : She was also dying at the time, by which I mean pretty much dead
[8/22/2014 9:33:28 PM] : We're basically making the Sierra Madre aren't we?
[8/22/2014 9:33:36 PM] : And Celestia's was also able to copy her brain into the computer before bonding her soul to it
[8/22/2014 9:33:45 PM] : Like, has anyone stopped to think how well we are actually merging this?
[8/22/2014 9:33:51 PM] : But yeah we can still have a defense system built for projecting holograms
[8/22/2014 9:33:59 PM | Edited 9:34:05 PM] : And yeah, she couldnt move from the machine which is why initially I thought to make the Kingdom itself a Souljar
[8/22/2014 9:34:25 PM] : Well other than pink cloud ... which may or may not have been targeted at alicorns.
[8/22/2014 9:34:26 PM] : I like the idea of going a Sierra Madre route
[8/22/2014 9:34:28 PM] : Not only are we acceptable on kkats canon, were referencing Harold the tree, Honest hearts, Dead Money
[8/22/2014 9:34:39 PM] : As long as Lore is okay with it?
[8/22/2014 9:34:54 PM] : Totally Lores call
[8/22/2014 9:34:59 PM] : Yeah, that’s priotiy is lore being okay with it.
[8/22/2014 9:35:18 PM] : we don’t need to use the plot as I think there’s a side story that also did it.
[8/22/2014 9:35:32 PM] : , Cherry boo, and Moxy all sit down and look at Lore expectantly
[8/22/2014 9:35:33 PM] : we can stick with the pigrimage thing.
[8/22/2014 9:35:38 PM] : Would we use Pink Cloud?
[8/22/2014 9:35:44 PM] : Lore’s call.
[8/22/2014 9:35:51 PM] : Probably not, right?
[8/22/2014 9:35:52 PM] : We have grounds for it if she wants
[8/22/2014 9:36:03 PM] : But it's a stretch for sure
[8/22/2014 9:36:06 PM] : Sorry, my net is flicking on an off at a stupid rate.
[8/22/2014 9:36:09 PM] : >Soul Jars were first created by Zebras as a method of obtaining immortality. The idea was that if a portion of the soul were captured within an object, and that object were made indestructible, the bearer of the original soul could never die.
[8/22/2014 9:36:19 PM] : >the bearer of the original soul could never die.
[8/22/2014 9:36:29 PM] : Since Canterlot is already Sierra Madre'd, we gotta make some differences
[8/22/2014 9:36:41 PM] : Maybe a flickering remnant of an old pink cloud talisman?
[8/22/2014 9:36:47 PM] : I don't quite know what Sierra Madre is..
[8/22/2014 9:36:56 PM] : It's basically Canterlot
[8/22/2014 9:36:59 PM] : It’s Dead money DLC for New Vegas.
[8/22/2014 9:37:03 PM] : Mox? I'm on mobile. Link plz?
[8/22/2014 9:37:06 PM] : It’s a pain in the butt, to be honest.
[8/22/2014 9:37:13 PM] : YEAH IT IS
[8/22/2014 9:37:13 PM] : To what?
[8/22/2014 9:37:17 PM] : EASILY THE TOUGHEST DLC
[8/22/2014 9:37:22 PM] : I'm on mobile too
[8/22/2014 9:37:31 PM] : dead money DLC page on fallout wiki for lore
[8/22/2014 9:37:37 PM] : Fuuuuuck you
[8/22/2014 9:37:42 PM] : CB?
[8/22/2014 9:37:46 PM] : Way to drop the ball sunshine
[8/22/2014 9:37:49 PM] : Already looking it up,
[8/22/2014 9:38:36 PM] : >the bearer of the original soul could never die.
Yeah, but given Rarity and Celestia's fates...
[8/22/2014 9:38:53 PM] : I think we can assume the Zebra were wrong. XD
[8/22/2014 9:39:16 PM] :
[Friday, August 22, 2014 9:36 PM] :
<<< The idea was thatwell it was the idea...
didn’t work out quite so well in practice.
[8/22/2014 9:39:24 PM] : The body can still die
[8/22/2014 9:39:25 PM] : Celestia didn't die..her situation is still a little ambigous
[8/22/2014 9:39:42 PM] : Her body died.
[8/22/2014 9:40:08 PM] : And damn what a body
[8/22/2014 9:40:13 PM] : SORRY
[8/22/2014 9:40:27 PM] : Her soul lives on, true, but it's only by virtue of her brain already being in her soul jar that she retains her consciousness.
[8/22/2014 9:40:33 PM] : It's the antihistamines. Drowsy drugs make me loopy
[8/22/2014 9:40:34 PM] : Yeah her body died, but I am not trying to keep the twin's bodies. Having them as little more than bones perched upon the throne itself actually helps the atmosphere I am trying to work with haha
[8/22/2014 9:41:06 PM] : Damn but that's Dark Souls.
[8/22/2014 9:41:10 PM] : I love it.
[8/22/2014 9:41:14 PM] : XD
[8/22/2014 9:41:23 PM] : loves Dark Souls.
[8/22/2014 9:41:26 PM] : Do we fight a huge wolf with a fucking sword?
[8/22/2014 9:41:34 PM] : She still retains her intelligence, and is well aware of bothe events past and present showing she can still learn while she observes,
[8/22/2014 9:41:43 PM] : XD:
[8/22/2014 9:41:45 PM] : also can't believe he got away with that joke
[8/22/2014 9:42:10 PM] : And what if Toxi and Cherry get little outfits based on places they visit. Little costumes or dresses or jamies. And after traveling through The Twins territory they wind up with http://goo.gl/Yqr6Bw
[8/22/2014 9:42:17 PM] : ...I'm not gonna be able to resist including a lot of Dark Souls influence in writing this whole arc
[8/22/2014 9:42:43 PM] : Well you have a rather nice outlet area for it.
[8/22/2014 9:43:03 PM] : Might be a good spot to leave Shackle Breaker
[8/22/2014 9:43:39 PM] : If we wanted someone in the party to claim it that is
[8/22/2014 9:44:29 PM] : Ebons sword
[8/22/2014 9:44:35 PM] : Ooh... What if we had something that was a cross between the timber wolves and the Ursa Minor? Since you know... http://astrobob.areavoices.com/files/2011/02/Mon-CMiCMa-map-1024x772.jpg
[8/22/2014 9:44:43 PM] : I'm basically envisioning a mish-mash between DS and Dead Money, that seem like a good idea?
[8/22/2014 9:45:15 PM] : Why else would I suggest leaving a magic cutting Viking sword there Mox
[8/22/2014 9:45:21 PM] : I'm down as long as Lore gets final say
[8/22/2014 9:45:23 PM] : could have toxi get Shackle Breaker.... from the Canis M??or
[8/22/2014 9:45:58 PM] : Ah shit
[8/22/2014 9:46:10 PM] : That means Ebon dies outside Luneria...
[8/22/2014 9:46:30 PM] : Uh... Sorry Alicia?
[8/22/2014 9:46:59 PM] : Gotta eat dinner, back in a bit.
[8/22/2014 9:47:24 PM] : Or at some point the shcakle breaker is moved outside of it.
[8/22/2014 9:48:31 PM] : Those oufits are adorable XD:
[8/22/2014 9:52:36 PM] : Plus the getting of outfits would also be another video game reference of a series I adore.
[8/22/2014 9:52:42 PM] : even if minor.
[8/22/2014 9:56:47 PM] *** Heartbeat has left ***
[8/22/2014 10:02:35 PM] : I'm not opposed to Ebon dying out there, but we'd need a reason for him to be there.
[8/22/2014 10:07:09 PM] :
[Friday, August 22, 2014 9:55 PM] Ebony Gemini:
<<< Rebooting router
[8/22/2014 10:09:02 PM | Edited 10:09:10 PM] : Well with The Twins being MoI and working in soul jars Possibly having a direct involvment with Blue it could be a simple timing thing if he happened to be there when the bombs dropped.
[8/22/2014 10:13:14 PM] : ?
[8/22/2014 10:13:18 PM] : Blue?
[8/22/2014 10:13:43 PM] : We were talking about Ebon
[8/22/2014 10:14:07 PM] : Unless mobile is twigging..
[8/22/2014 10:14:41 PM] :
Edited 9:16:08 PM] Lorelei Hoshi: My Gemini Twins (As opposed to PH) would be working in the Ministry of Image, in particular with some of its lesser public projects such as Soul Jar's
[7/29/2014 9:18:40 PM] : Sounds like that'll be fun to work with
[7/29/2014 9:51:22 PM] : also gives us opportunity for how to learn about them, given True Blue's fate
So the twins have connections to other Lunerians or could. so the door is ajar.
[8/22/2014 10:15:30 PM] : I imagine Blue would know Ebon, yes? Since they’d be beating things black and bl- *dodges newspaper*
[8/22/2014 10:18:16 PM] : swings newspaper from the opposite direction.
[8/22/2014 10:18:22 PM] : I getcha
[8/22/2014 10:18:37 PM] : Though Ebon is royal guard.
[8/22/2014 10:20:26 PM] : Which means that unless he was sent on a special mission, he’d have been in canterlot...
[8/22/2014 10:23:10 PM | Edited 10:23:22 PM] : Yeah... That's a tough call. I assume Catch has left us for the evening?
[8/22/2014 10:24:02 PM] : Pretty much.
[8/22/2014 10:25:23 PM] : Unfortunate. But yeah, unless we can find a good reason to send him out, the sword is probably in Canterlot...
[8/22/2014 10:26:17 PM] : Lovely.
[8/22/2014 10:26:37 PM] : That's gonna be a bitch..
[8/22/2014 10:26:43 PM] : XD
[8/22/2014 10:27:25 PM] : If we time it until after Blue’s soul is restored then we have a sword that can have elemental wind properly and could temporarily disperse the pink cloud so we have a start of a way to get there...
[8/22/2014 10:28:37 PM] : Well the sword is in Luneria, isn't it? It was gonna be part of the altar, unless we're gonna scrap that concept.
[8/22/2014 10:29:01 PM] : It was created when the story was pretty young
[8/22/2014 10:30:05 PM] : The sword isn’t an issue since its a starting thing. but for the elemental effects/properties its needs to have Blue’s soul reunited inside of it. unless the alter’s contents are inaccessible, but I thought that things would wind up in legacy hooves anyway?
[8/22/2014 10:31:30 PM] : As I have it, altar's magic can only be undone by the blood of the mare who made the spell. Alicia
[8/22/2014 10:32:07 PM] : Nopony before the Legacies knows who cast the spell or how.
[8/22/2014 10:32:28 PM] : I currently have Little Seed breaking it.
[8/22/2014 10:34:48 PM] : Though Channeler could too
[8/22/2014 10:35:16 PM] : Well, one direct reason for Blue to be in contact with the twins actually may relate to something I wanted to discuss about with Cherry,
[8/22/2014 10:35:32 PM] : Also
[8/22/2014 10:35:40 PM] : DA seems to be broken for Australians
[8/22/2014 10:35:44 PM] : Its not just me
[8/22/2014 10:37:13 PM] : :c
[8/22/2014 10:37:15 PM] : hugs Lore!
[8/22/2014 10:37:26 PM] : So what did you want to discuss?
[8/22/2014 10:39:55 PM] : Though the twins work within MIA, I wanted to keep their true identity secret, as at least a couple of the other Ministries I could see having perhaps an interest in them for not so good reasons. I had thought of the Twins coming to Cherry knowing of her illusion magic and tricking/manipulating her into casting a spell on them to appear as Earth ponies for any who had no prior knowledge of them before.
[8/22/2014 10:41:29 PM] : I dont know if you have seen Wolf's rain, but something similar to that i guess. Where its an illusion over a physical change, they would still be Alicorns for all intents and puroses but at glance they would appear earthern.
[8/22/2014 10:42:54 PM] : Awkward Silence
[8/22/2014 10:44:14 PM] : Generally how illusions work.
[8/22/2014 10:44:53 PM] : No need to trick her. perfect opportuinty to start developing the Cherry illusion part of the crusader maneframe that will be in luneria.
[8/22/2014 10:45:08 PM] : Its a ratehr perfect catalyst to get that chain of events started
[8/22/2014 10:45:10 PM] : Illusions are not really my strong suit XD;
[8/22/2014 10:45:16 PM] : Sorry, going afk for a while
[8/22/2014 10:45:24 PM] : hugs Moxy!
[8/22/2014 10:45:25 PM] : hugs Moxy!
[8/22/2014 10:46:01 PM] : [10:45:25 PM] : hugs Moxy!
[10:45:25 PM] : hugs Moxy!
[8/22/2014 10:46:23 PM] : For keeping the spell constant they may either be able to extend its life time themselves, changing the battery so to speak. Or will make continued ventures to Luneria to visit cherry, or both.
[8/22/2014 10:46:34 PM] : Great minds think alike? x:
[8/22/2014 10:46:57 PM] : A tailsmen that needs a changing spark battery?
[8/22/2014 10:47:29 PM] : ..I didnt even think of a Talisman
[8/22/2014 10:47:38 PM] : Thats probably far smarter haha
[8/22/2014 10:48:58 PM] : Cherry will be part of stable-tech, and being a princess in hiding as well, going to her for it is a ratehr good idea.
[8/22/2014 10:50:51 PM] : Cherry can tell their spectres apart later, because of simple body langauges mannerisms. One holds their head slightly more up. (Ebony) one has a gait thats a little tighter (Ivory) or things like that. That Cherry was able to tell from spending time around the other two alicorns.
[8/22/2014 10:53:18 PM] : That sounds really good to me!
[8/22/2014 10:55:23 PM] : I had an idea for setting a mission for them, perhaps it could be relayed to Cherry through telepathy? I had wanted them to be mute, though given their talent, telepathy could make some vauge sense and well, given the nature of the mission could relate especially to Cherry.
[8/22/2014 10:58:11 PM] : The Twins returned to their Kingdom with the weapon's in search of their father after the bomb's fell, being still young at the time they fall back to the mentality their parent can somehow fix everything, and if they find him it will be okay.
[8/22/2014 10:59:36 PM] : The mission would revolve around discovering his remains, and bringing something to show his fate to the twins, which in turn would grant the reward of the sword and shield.
[8/22/2014 11:00:13 PM] : Sidequests are cool. That’s how you get some good loots.
[8/22/2014 11:00:40 PM] : yeah, i thought it would be good reasoning for getting the weapons to save just randomly handing them over.
[8/22/2014 11:02:29 PM] : Plus would give reason to find out the twin's past, with perhaps the final reveal being their age during the war, a fact Cherry would know but the others wouldn't.
[8/22/2014 11:04:41 PM] : http://www.deviantart.com/art/I-Drawed-You-Like-One-Of-The-French-Mares-476900586
==Twenty Third==
[8/23/2014 11:40:46 AM Edited 11:41:02 AM] : "with these last few tweaks, the projection matrix is finally capable of creating a fully tangible disguise. 
All previous models have failed due to being unable to provide sufficient power to the disguise talisman, and attempts to integrate spark batteries have yielded results from ranging harmlessly burning out the components to more... Catostrophic results...
Low-level spark batteries have successfully powered the spell matrix for short periods before burning out, but were unable to create a tangible effect, resulting in a purely optical illusion which, while promising, is a far cry short of our desired results...
Version 27 however, has successfully achieved (seemingly) sustainable results, by utilizing my own power. 
K.27 has had its matrix altered to integrate with its host's own magical energy for power. I have successfully tested the results on myself, but the results would be unsustainable using the magic of non-alicorns, and after seeing the results of overloading the matrix with spark batteries, I'm hesitant to even test it..."
-Head Researcher Sakura of the Kagami Talisman project. 
Stable-Tec R&D, Everfree Forest