105281-summer-fun-less-game-time

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Did you know that people take Summer Vacations?   
 
No really, they do!  
 
And on those vacations they don't take their whole desktop PC with them.   Sometimes nothing more than a tablet and a cell phone.         These vacations are usually outside, at the beach, mountains, lakes, forests, rivers, amusement parks, and so on.   This is more so true for people with friends and families that they cannot otherwise spend this time together during sessions of school.
 
 
"What's your point?"
 
Vacationers don't sit at home infront of their computer playing Wildstar.
 
"I still don't get it?!"
 
The current illusion of 'low population' is because people are spending their summer with friends and family outside the game to do other things.   To live in reality.    Eventually when school sessions start and the stresses of studies, sports, and business picks up people will turn to video games as a sort of 'virtual vacation' escape from all those stresses.   The game's population will pick up more and more during evening hours and on weekends as a more fitting escape. 
 
 
Bottom line:  Chillax (Chill & Relax) and enjoy the summer.	
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I like stuff
 
Do you like stuff	
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			I'm pretty sure my entire friends list isn't on vacation at the same time.. for the last 3 weeks.	
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			Life? Reality? Outside? What is this sorcery?!	
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			*HISSSSSS*  go away, nasty sun! :ph34r:	
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			I don't like summer. Way too hot. Air conditioning forever!	
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Did you know that people take Summer Vacations?   
 
No really, they do!  
 
And on those vacations they don't take their whole desktop PC with them.   Sometimes nothing more than a tablet and a cell phone.         These vacations are usually outside, at the beach, mountains, lakes, forests, rivers, amusement parks, and so on.   This is more so true for people with friends and families that they cannot otherwise spend this time together during sessions of school.
 
 
"What's your point?"
 
Vacationers don't sit at home infront of their computer playing Wildstar.
 
"I still don't get it?!"
 
The current illusion of 'low population' is because people are spending their summer with friends and family outside the game to do other things.   To live in reality.    Eventually when school sessions start and the stresses of studies, sports, and business picks up people will turn to video games as a sort of 'virtual vacation' escape from all those stresses.   The game's population will pick up more and more during evening hours and on weekends as a more fitting escape. 
 
 
Bottom line:  Chillax (Chill & Relax) and enjoy the summer.
 
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Summer = Summer Vacation from school = more time for people in middle/high school to be playing MMOs.  Outside of kids in school and teachers, Summer is the same as Winter is the same as Spring is the same as Fall.  I'm 28 and I don't get weeks off of work simply because it's Summer outside.  I don't know of many professions/jobs that give these extended weeks off outside of teaching professions, and even then...
 
My friend account list (roughly 45 accounts) isn't essentially empty because these people are taking 2-3 week summer vacations, or month long vacations.  It's because they left the game.  Once Summer is over there isn't going to be some mass return of all the people that have already left the game simply because they're back to their normal, non-summer schedules.
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 You havent played many mmo's then since this happens to EVERY mmo during summer. This time of year is the slowest for mmo's and around end of august, beginning of september A LOT of people are coming back. Its nothing new :)
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I've played a lot of MMO's during the summer.  This extreme drop off does not happen.  
 
I know for a fact most of the people on my friends list have quit.  For good.  Not summer.  But please, keep telling yourself there will be a surge of people coming back in a few weeks.
 
 
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No you havent since this is a fact that this happens and these kind of threads saying the game is dying ALWAYS pops up on forums during this time more than the rest of the year.. And i didnt say a serge, i said A LOT, which is gonna happen. But please, keep telling yourself that a lot of people wont be back after summer.
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 You havent played many mmo's then since this happens to EVERY mmo during summer. This time of year is the slowest for mmo's and around end of august, beginning of september A LOT of people are coming back. Its nothing new :)
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Okay.  So I haven't been playing MMO's since Ultima Online.  Got it.
 
All I'm hearing is "I play Exiles on a heavily populated server so the game is fine."
 
 
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List of MMO's I've played;
 
UO
DAoC
AC1
AC2
EQ1
EQ2
WoW
SWG
Shadowbane
Lineage 1
Lineage 2
Anarchy Online
Matrix Online
WH:O
FFXI
FFXIV
CoH/CoV/CoX
Champions Online
Aion
Tera
LOTRO
DCUO
Vindicus
SW:TOR
Rift
GW2
D&D:O
Star Trek Online
And probably about a half a dozen to a dozen that I know I'm forgetting
 
But sure, I haven't played many MMO's  :rolleyes:  Been playing them consistently for over almost 2 decades, it's my favorite genre, but nope I guess I haven't played enough of them.
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This basically sums it up:
 
 
I've played a lot of MMORPGs... Lemme tell you, summer is usually more active.	
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I wasnt even answering to you but yea i played those too except SWOTR and in all these games summer is slow as *cupcake*so yea whats your point lol
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			WS is active, actually its very active for being summer. The fact that exiles are the most prefered side and new commers choose high populated servers isnt being not active. They need to work on dom side to make it more attractive and merge a couple servers thats a little less populated, every game has a couple servers that is less populated and in time they merge them. That has nothing to do though with the game being dead since its not. But it is a lot slower than it will be in a couple months :)	
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You weren't even answering to me?  You sure about that?  Because you directly quoted me and posted (essentially) the same thing that you said to another poster in this thread, who happened to also say (essentially) the same thing I did.  We've been playing MMO's for nearly 20 years and have never come across a noticeable difference in population simply based on the time of year.  You do, however, see a noticeable difference in MMO's within the first few months if the game isn't up to the expectations of most others.  This is what is happening with this game.
 
The only real time you'll see MMO population dip is around the winter holiday season.  I've been raiding in MMO's for far longer than I care to admit and the only time I've ever come across issues getting a full raid group together is the week before Chrismas through the week after New Years.  
 
My point, simply put, is that you are wrong.  The people that have left the game aren't just taking a small break due to it being summer.  I have, like I said, a friends list of nearly 50 ACCOUNTS (not just characters, so I can see if they're making alts on new servers) and of them only 3 are still active today.  An overwhelming proportion of them are MIA for 2-3 weeks or longer.
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 I answered hob first then you. But either way yea 2-3 weeks, hmm sounds a lot like the lenght of time you go on vacation, seeing friends, family, stay out late? I havent been online for 3 weeks due to vacation. Now im back and playing again and enjoying it. Next week ill go away again for a week and wont play at all. I think loads of people do that.
Of course people leave for good but if you think all those 50 on your list is gone for good i think youll be surprised when you see some of them back later :)
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Did you know that people take Summer Vacations?   
 
No really, they do!  
 
And on those vacations they don't take their whole desktop PC with them.   Sometimes nothing more than a tablet and a cell phone.         These vacations are usually outside, at the beach, mountains, lakes, forests, rivers, amusement parks, and so on.   This is more so true for people with friends and families that they cannot otherwise spend this time together during sessions of school.
 
 
"What's your point?"
 
Vacationers don't sit at home infront of their computer playing Wildstar.
 
"I still don't get it?!"
 
The current illusion of 'low population' is because people are spending their summer with friends and family outside the game to do other things.   To live in reality.    Eventually when school sessions start and the stresses of studies, sports, and business picks up people will turn to video games as a sort of 'virtual vacation' escape from all those stresses.   The game's population will pick up more and more during evening hours and on weekends as a more fitting escape. 
 
 
Bottom line:  Chillax (Chill & Relax) and enjoy the summer.
 
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			Summer = People have money = More willing to go to clubs and concerts = more work for me = Less game time = $$$$$ in my pocket!	
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This is also why Carbine should have waited until after summer to release, would have had a slightly more polished game with more people willing to stick around. You're naive if you think the servers are gonna magically be full again after summer ends.
 
 
 
 
Also I live on the beach I can get off work and walk to the beach whenever I want. 	
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			It's pointless to argue this point unless you have actual activity reports and/or official statements to back it up, otherwise it's essentially personal experience and that varies from person to person.	
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Sorry, I live in the real world where people don't take entire months off of work for vacation simply because it's summer.  I would ask your age but by your posting you seem to be a naive teenager who thinks they have the answer for everything.  Of the 50 or so accounts I have on my friends list I gathered quite a large number of their Steam accounts as well - probably about 30 - and guess what?  They're mostly all around playing other games like Dota 2 or Team Fortress.  But sure, they'll all be back to play Wildstar once summer is over, right?
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Well its funny you have to take it to a personal level. Where i live we have 5 weeks paid vacation, im sorry you dont but not my problem really. You exaggerate a bit when you say months also but usually people go away for 2-3 weeks and i never said anything else. Also, i googled around a bit to see what other games say you claimed you play and in swotr they even warn for it being slow in the summer and last year they even gave players double xp for a time during summer. Im sorry you feel so offended about that the game might be a bit slower during summer, maybe you should go on vacation to calm your nervs a bit?
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			Odd that every single part of the year seems to dredge up another excuse as to why people aren't playing. In every single MMO, I hear the exact same thing when school starts up, around mid terms, around finals, around any holiday, when winter is ending and the weather is getting better, etc. It's amazing people actually find time to play given how monumentally busy people are living life to the fullest and dealing with their mountains of obligations.	
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 You havent played many mmo's then since this happens to EVERY mmo during summer. This time of year is the slowest for mmo's and around end of august, beginning of september A LOT of people are coming back. Its nothing new :)
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Summer is usually "more" active in the MMO's that I've played over the years.
 
And to those who always talk about how many MMORPG's they have "played".  If you have played sooo many, then something must have been wrong with each one for you to jump ship to another so fast... so many times.  I've tried more MMORPG's than I care to count off.  But I've not actually played "that" many.  If I haven't held a subscription for at least 3-6mths, then I never really "played" the MMORPG... I just tried it out.  Come on man, if you can't spend at least 3-6mths, at minimum, in an MMORPG, then you obviously are not enjoying yourself enough.  So why say that you played it, when you really didn't give it enough time to have played the damn thing.	
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I'm not offended at all, however you telling me that I need to "go on vacation to calm my nervs" further's my statement that you're a naive teenager who thinks they have the answer for everything.  Even if I could afford to go on a vacation (which I can, for the record), in my line of work one simply does not take a few weeks off without major consequences.  I'd rather worth 30-40 hours a week for the next 3 weeks than take those 3 weeks off, lose thousands of dollars worth of work to competitors, and come back buried to where I'm working 70-80 hour weeks for the next 6 weeks trying to catch up.
 
And for the record, when I said "I live in the real world where people don't take entire months off work" I didn't mean they take multiple months off work.  I mean they take a 4 week vacation which equals to (roughly) a month.  I suppose you could make the argument that I could have written "don't take an entire month off work", but then you could make the argument that I should have written "wrote" instead of written.   English is a tricky language, I know.
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			In this economy, who can afford to take a vacation? Kind of why I play MMOs... some of the cheapest entertainment out there and satisfies a social itch.	
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Summer is usually "more" active in the MMO's that I've played over the years.
 
And to those who always talk about how many MMORPG's they have "played".  If you have played sooo many, then something must have been wrong with each one for you to jump ship to another so fast... so many times.  I've tried more MMORPG's than I care to count off.  But I've not actually played "that" many.  If I haven't held a subscription for at least 3-6mths, then I never really "played" the MMORPG... I just tried it out.  Come on man, if you can't spend at least 3-6mths, at minimum, in an MMORPG, then you obviously are not enjoying yourself enough.  So why say that you played it, when you really didn't give it enough time to have played the damn thing.
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People can play more than 1 MMO at a time.  Shocking, I know.  I was playing DCUO, Rift, SWTOR and WoW all at the same time, for example.  The only games I listed that I didn't spend at least 4 or so months on were Shadowbane and MxO.
 
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and now for something completely different.....
 
Put Cute Shields into OVERDRIVE!	
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If you are playing that many MMORPG's at the same time, then either you have no job and play all day every day.  Or, you do not spend enough time in either to really matter.
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I'm pretty sure my entire friends list isn't on vacation at the same time.. for the last 3 weeks.
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Summer = Summer Vacation from school = more time for people in middle/high school to be playing MMOs.  Outside of kids in school and teachers, Summer is the same as Winter is the same as Spring is the same as Fall.  I'm 28 and I don't get weeks off of work simply because it's Summer outside.  I don't know of many professions/jobs that give these extended weeks off outside of teaching professions, and even then...
 
My friend account list (roughly 45 accounts) isn't essentially empty because these people are taking 2-3 week summer vacations, or month long vacations.  It's because they left the game.  Once Summer is over there isn't going to be some mass return of all the people that have already left the game simply because they're back to their normal, non-summer schedules.
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It's like the Rift/SWTOR/Other MMO forums all over again
 
the game is fine people are just on summer vacation, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just in school, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just not playing as much, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just checking out the new hotness, they'll come back
 
They are not coming back.
The servers are not magically filling up again.	
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It's like the Rift/SWTOR/Other MMO forums all over again
 
the game is fine people are just on summer vacation, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just in school, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just not playing as much, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just checking out the new hotness, they'll come back
 
They are not coming back.
The servers are not magically filling up again.
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It's like the Rift/SWTOR/Other MMO forums all over again
 
the game is fine people are just on summer vacation, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just in school, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just not playing as much, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just checking out the new hotness, they'll come back
 
They are not coming back.
The servers are not magically filling up again.
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It's like the Rift/SWTOR/Other MMO forums all over again
 
the game is fine people are just on summer vacation, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just in school, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just not playing as much, they'll come back
the game is fine people are just checking out the new hotness, they'll come back
 
They are not coming back.
The servers are not magically filling up again.
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Come back and say that when you have a Game Art and Design Degree.
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 It's like if you don't launch smoothly you fail in this new generation of MMOs and I'm beginning to think I'll never see a good MMO get a chance thrive ever again because people just aren't willing to give it time..
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I know you don't want to hear this, but I believe F2P also helps with this problem. The F2P market seems to generally be a loooot more patient (just look at all those games which are pure trash compared to current Wildstar and are doing fine).
And if people leave shortly after launch, they're more likely to check back later when the game has improved because "hey it's still free". :(
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Right not Magically, they need to put out a big Polish patch (not ultra drop) then put out a HUGE ultra drop, and then let people come back for free for a week, then let the game be free for a week for anyone after that. 
 
*sigh* I dunno maybe I'm fooling myself and this game is done. It's like if you don't launch smoothly you fail in this new generation of MMOs and I'm beginning to think I'll never see a good MMO get a chance thrive ever again because people just aren't willing to give it time.. and no it's 2014 isn't a valid argument. Come back and say that when you have a Game Art and Design Degree.
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Right not Magically, they need to put out a big Polish patch (not ultra drop) then put out a HUGE ultra drop, and then let people come back for free for a week, then let the game be free for a week for anyone after that. 
 
*sigh* I dunno maybe I'm fooling myself and this game is done. It's like if you don't launch smoothly you fail in this new generation of MMOs and I'm beginning to think I'll never see a good MMO get a chance thrive ever again because people just aren't willing to give it time.. and no it's 2014 isn't a valid argument. Come back and say that when you have a Game Art and Design Degree.
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I mean honestly, if not for CREDD, missus and I wouldn't even be in Wildstar anymore... not that we do all that much in it anymore anyways.  From the collective impression I get around the forums, many seem to also be on the CREDD-express.
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Will bookmark this thread and revive it in three weeks when all the people are back in the game!
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Summer = More people taking vacations = more people to play wildstar
 
Fact: More people are off of work due to school being out. School being out means teachers, students, professors and other related workers such as janitors no longer have to work. Source for Europeans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_vacation
Fact: Students have almost 30% unemployment. Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/14/jobless-teens-told-build-connections/12658523/
Fact: Americans are taking less trave-vacations now than ever. Source: http://skift.com/2014/04/22/majority-of-americans-not-planning-on-taking-a-summer-vacation-this-year/
 
Conclusion: Summer is the best time for gaming and more people will be on for gaming. The "people don't play because it's summer" excuse only shows the lack of knowledge on the excuser's part.	
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Summer = More people taking vacations = more people to play wildstar
 
Fact: More people are off of work due to school being out. School being out means teachers, students, professors and other related workers such as janitors no longer have to work. Source for Europeans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_vacation
Fact: Students have almost 30% unemployment. Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/14/jobless-teens-told-build-connections/12658523/
Fact: Americans are taking less trave-vacations now than ever. Source: http://skift.com/2014/04/22/majority-of-americans-not-planning-on-taking-a-summer-vacation-this-year/
 
Conclusion: Summer is the best time for gaming and more people will be on for gaming. The "people don't play because it's summer" excuse only shows the lack of knowledge on the excuser's part.
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			People are not coming back because they are the dirty casuals who aren't wanted in the first place.  The system is working.	
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People are not coming back because they are the dirty casuals who aren't wanted in the first place.  The system is working.
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No, don't you get it? They don't care about casuals, they want that sweet, sweet clump of "hardcore" players, you know, like the ones that killed Heroic LK in ICC? Those 30-40k people out of a game with 12 million subs, yes, there's money in that demographic, yes siree.
 
edit: actually no, Heroic LK was too easy, I mean they had the rolling % hp/dmg buff and everything in ICC. No we should cater to the 23 guilds that killed vanilla kel'thuzad in naxx, that's more sound. No casuals in that crowd!	
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No, don't you get it? They don't care about casuals, they want that sweet, sweet clump of "hardcore" players, you know, like the ones that killed Heroic LK in ICC? Those 30-40k people out of a game with 12 million subs, yes, there's money in that demographic, yes siree.
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No, don't you get it? They don't care about casuals, they want that sweet, sweet clump of "hardcore" players, you know, like the ones that killed Heroic LK in ICC? Those 30-40k people out of a game with 12 million subs, yes, there's money in that demographic, yes siree.
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			And to keep them they would have to water the game down to meet their baddie wants.  Carbine has said up front this game is for the HARDCORE! crowd.  I'd sooner see this go down in a HARDCORE! blaze of glory than bend one inch to the casuals.	
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School being out means teachers, students, professors and other related workers such as janitors no longer have to work.
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And to keep them they would have to water the game down to meet their baddie wants.  Carbine has said up front this game is for the HARDCORE! crowd.  I'd sooner see this go down in a HARDCORE! blaze of glory than bend one inch to the casuals.
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And to keep them they would have to water the game down to meet their baddie wants.  Carbine has said up front this game is for the HARDCORE! crowd.  I'd sooner see this go down in a HARDCORE! blaze of glory than bend one inch to the casuals.
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			What is off limits is any content they can't do as it is.  As for watering down look at WoW BC to WotLK.  No attunement, welfare epics as far as the eye can see, content that was about as stimulating as one of those idle games.	
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			I'm not sure I get you completely, do you mean that ALL raids should have hard attunements or just some? And no epics outside raids? 'Any content they can't do as it is'. Does that mean pre-change adventure gold was fine?	
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			If you mean the loot table change then yes it was fine (itemization issues not withstanding) no gold = no purples was an excellent incentive for if you want the shinies then actually cupcaking put in some effort.	
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Ahahahahahahaha... no.
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People are not coming back because they are the dirty casuals who aren't wanted in the first place.  The system is working.
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Please explain how I'm wrong. I already cited my sources on how students have a 30% unemployment rate.
 
Cite your sources.
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And to keep them they would have to water the game down to meet their baddie wants.  Carbine has said up front this game is for the HARDCORE! crowd.  I'd sooner see this go down in a HARDCORE! blaze of glory than bend one inch to the casuals.
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			Turning this into another "AFK at the keyboard and get epics" casualfest is a death just as bad and failing on your own terms.	
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Turning this into another "AFK at the keyboard and get epics" casualfest is a death just as bad and failing on your own terms.
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