Report 867

Report #867
Skillset: Minstrelry Skill: Yaikoyaiko
 Org: Minstrels Status: Completed Mar 2017
Furies' Decision:
We will lower the scaling of Temporary Insanity, but are not removing it at this
time.
Problem: Yaiko yaiko can do stupidly large amounts of ego damage as it currently
scales to "insanity" which it sounds includes astral insanity. This report aims
to taper it a bit to reflect change in direction (ego kills).
[A:17 R: 0] Solution #1: Remove the scaling to astral insanity, keeping the
 temporary insanity damage scale.
[A: 2 R: 9] Solution #2: Remove scaling to astral insanity. Replace scaling to
 be based on number of mental afflictions (temp
 insanity is 1 affliction). It should do 300 + 3% per
 mental aff.
[A: 1 R:10] Solution #3: Remove scaling to astral insanity. Replace scaling to
 be based on number of mental afflictions (temp
 insanity is 1 affliction). It should do 300 + 4% per
 mental aff.
Player Comments:
---[Shedrin on 3/15 @ 23:54 writes]:
To clarify, is it (300 + 3/4%) x mental affs, or 300 + (3/4% x mental aff)?
---[Falaeron on 3/16 @ 01:36 writes]:
Solution 1 only. I'm also a bit confused by why solutions 2 and 3 were added
given that report #1619 was basically asking for the same thing and got
rejected, as well as your very vocal opposition to vital drains scaling to
number of affs targets have.
---[Shuyin on 3/16 @ 01:38 writes]:
Solution 1 is fine. I will agree that basing the song off temp insanity (of
which minstrels do barely any) is a bit lame, but this song is for groups anywy.
---[Demartel on 3/16 @ 01:41 writes]:
While on general principle I am against 11th hour reports, unless envoy
consensus on them is reached, I am fine with Solution 1 only.
---[Wobou on 3/16 @ 12:12 writes]:
I support solution 1 and the idea behind solution 2 but I think 3% + 300 if it
truly is for every aff (pending an answer to Shedrin's question) is too much. In
the last report I suggested (1% + 100) x mental affs and I still think that's an
appropriate amount, at least to start with.
---[Aeldra on 3/16 @ 13:22 writes]:
I feel very much that we should learn from the lessons succumb taught us and not
try aff scaling like this again, I feel it'll get out of hand quickly. I would
also, if something is really attempted, like to see an upper margin for this.
Solution 1 is fine.
---[Shedrin on 3/16 @ 14:43 writes]:
I don't think aff scaling in general is inherently broken, it's all about the
specific numbers.
---[Shedrin on 3/16 @ 14:56 writes]:
Also, compared to Succumb, this would tic much slower and ego kills are much
less present (though egovice can turn this into health, of course), so I'm not
opposed to the principle here if this is the way Minstrels want to go. Though
I'd still like clarification on my initial question.
---[Lerad on 3/18 @ 01:44 writes]:
Yaikoyaiko should probably be tweaked to provide some form of pressure/synergy
within the skillset itself, but I guess we could also do that by giving
Minstrels a viable way to build tempinsanity somewhat. 300 + (3% per mental aff)
seems reasonable on paper, though, so I can get behind 1 and/or 2, if we want to
go the mental affs route instead of tempinsanity route.
---[Malarious on 3/18 @ 04:50 writes]:
I am not big on temp insanity route, because then you end up with a ton of
synergy and people can die too easily. Not every guild should build to the same
goal in an org, causes quick attrition kills. The damage is 300 + (% * affs),
and it should probably cap at like 5, though optional. As Shedrin noted, this is
a 10s tic, not like 3s (succumb) or 4ish (dreambeast). This i weaker and slower
than all prior.