108330-changes-to-attunement-just-made-pugs-viable-again

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I really hope people see the change for what it is.. Do people remember the "I can;t do anything in a PUG" posts? The whole random group system was being undermined by the attunement process and they have fixed it.
 
Content is not easier and the boss abilities are still there  / the mechanics are the same.. the change means that if you finish the objectives and kill the last boss you win.. WHAT FANTASTIC news for the pug runs that disband the second someone smells they lost silver after some dps have been waiting an hour for the run!
 
This will have people come back to the game and that's good for everyone.
 
GG DEV's good move!	
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			There's still the issue of no one having any reason to run them after they get attuned because the rewards are garbage. Hopefully the itemization changes and hinted dungeon/adventure dailies will fix that, but those are potentially a long ways off.	
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			Can you link to where the changes are?	
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			Oh nos, another can of the same worms opened. Dude, why? The 54 page thread was locked for a reason lol.	
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Can you link to where the changes are?
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I really hope they dont nerf the raids once all the pugs are done with the new dungeons attunement.
 
HARDCORE!!!!	
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I really hope they dont nerf the raids once all the pugs are done with the new dungeons attunement.
 
HARDCORE!!!!
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It's good news for everyone.
 
For those that have done it already,do you really want to go through this pain again just to get your alts up to raid standard?
 
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THAT?	
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			Attunement will probably be account wide in the medium term future.	
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It's good news for everyone.
 
For those that have done it already,do you really want to go through this pain again just to get your alts up to raid standard?
 
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THAT?
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It's good news for everyone.
 
For those that have done it already,do you really want to go through this pain again just to get your alts up to raid standard?
 
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THAT?
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I really hope people see the change for what it is.. Do people remember the "I can;t do anything in a PUG" posts? The whole random group system was being undermined by the attunement process and they have fixed it.
 
Content is not easier and the boss abilities are still there  / the mechanics are the same.. the change means that if you finish the objectives and kill the last boss you win.. WHAT FANTASTIC news for the pug runs that disband the second someone smells they lost silver after some dps have been waiting an hour for the run!
 
This will have people come back to the game and that's good for everyone.
 
GG DEV's good move!
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It's good news for everyone.
 
For those that have done it already,do you really want to go through this pain again just to get your alts up to raid standard?
 
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THAT?
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			I see the casual guilds will be able to raid now.	
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I see the casual guilds will be able to raid now.
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			I expect either they either do better and improve or we will see threads on the forums asking to nerf raids.	
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			These changes do nothing to the ones complaining, we're just going to have to deal with their childlike tantrums. They don't like sharing things.	
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			I have heard from many raiders and mean a lot of them that the attunement process in this game has nothing to do with how well you can raid. NOTHING!	
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I have heard from many raiders and mean a lot of them that the attunement process in this game has nothing to do with how well you can raid. NOTHING!
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			Raiding is so hard.	
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And this raider is here to tell you it does.
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			idea: if you get gold medal on all vet adventures and dungeons you unlock the genesis key account-wide,this gives the elite something to work for.	
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You won't be able to pug raids... so, pugging through attunement is only a false sense of ability.
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			I really wish that they are not gonna nerf anything. The game is good as it is (Except huge amount of bugs ofc) I really dont want them to make it easier. Thats why i quit wow and i dont want to experience same thing again and most of my friends are sharing the same thoughts. "If they nerf it we are out"	
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			I'm fine with the changes as long as I never see a thread along the lines:"It took me 6 hours to get bronze SSM for my attunement and even more to get world bosses all alone... now you're telling me I can't PUG raids!!???!?! What happened to my PUG lyfe?!"	
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Good.
 
 
 
Let the content be its own gate. You either can, or you can't. An attunement quest that has you skipping trash, abusing bugs, doing pointless solo quests, grinding dailies and sitting for hours waiting for the non bugged world boss groups to form is *so* helpful to endgame raiders. I'm sure raid leaders everywhere are crying into their pillows because suddenly bronze completion players are being forced into their already hand picked and vetted raid groups.  :rolleyes:	
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I expect either they either do better and improve or we will see threads on the forums asking to nerf raids.
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Well they can't nerf raids.  That is not up for debate.
 
I'm sort of waiting for the flood of tears.  Not everyone that attunes through bronze is going to faceplant, in fact I think quite a few are going to love raiding since they can do it at their leisure.
 
But there's some percentage that thought silvers were literally too hard, they'll struggle through bronze, hit GA, and wipe on trash for a week.
 
And then the tears.... oh the delicious tears....
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Yep, and that's totally fine. My old guild couldn't even clear vet STL, something I was able to do with pug groups, and now is on farm for gear in my current guild. Will my old guild ever clear GA or DS? No. Should they be allowed to bang their heads against it? Sure! It's their time and gold, not mine, they can do what they want.
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Good.
 
 
 
Let the content be its own gate. You either can, or you can't. An attunement quest that has you skipping trash, abusing bugs, doing pointless solo quests, grinding dailies and sitting for hours waiting for the non bugged world boss groups to form is *so* helpful to endgame raiders. I'm sure raid leaders everywhere are crying into their pillows because suddenly bronze completion players are being forced into their already hand picked and vetted raid groups.  :rolleyes:
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pugs are still not viable.
 
no pug is going to stick around for the 8 hours its going to take your mom to figure out how to dodge waves, or jump over laser beams.	
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feels completely arbitrary.
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You won't be able to pug raids... so, pugging through attunement is only a false sense of ability.
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			Not to *cupcake* on your parade OP but PuG's are still gonna vote disband the second something goes wrong. And also, dont expect people waiting in line for a 4-5 hour swordmaiden PuG wipefest.	
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