108562-is-endgame-as-bad-as-people-say

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I'm new to wildstar, currently I think 16, on Pergo an Espar.
 
Attunements, grinding, etc, is not a problem -- as long as it's worth it (not looking for handouts like LFR gear but vanilla like quests for a blue weapon/sets, dungeon sets would be cool)
 
I enjoy the game so far, taking my time leveling because questing and just exploring something new is fun after a decade of WoW.
 
Anyway add me, my name is Marat on Pergo, if you have a guild that I can join that plans on getting places add me :)
 
Also tell me about the game, any interesting facts; etc..
 
I've been seeing a lot of negativity on forums and most of it is well "I don't have shinies", "there are bugs", "there are cheaters"; it's a new game! This game's potential will take off!	
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			Well they are fixing rewards with gear progression so perhaps by the time you reach 50 it will be drop and end game would probably be a lot better. They are also adding something call protostar games/dungeons.	
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Endgame is what you make of it. I'm enjoying it. I like exploring and hunting rare (appearance) gear and dyes. Daily quests I can do in about an hour and are good money, and crafting mat sources. I have a group trying to do dungeons (we need gear but it's coming) and we regularly run PVP and adventures for giggles and loot.
 
 
some people will focus on the bugs and the low pops.. others will enjoy themselves... still others will not find anything fun and leave (like you should if it stops being fun). If you're having fun, then awesome. Keep at it.	
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I've been seeing a lot of negativity on forums and most of it is well "I don't have shinies", "there are bugs", "there are cheaters"; it's a new game! This game's potential will take off!
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			The endgame in Wildstar is the best endgame I have ever seen. I hit 50 recently and am doing dailies now. Only 4 people in my guild are level 50, so I can't do WOTW veteran for extra rep. But in my opinion, the dailies in this game are quite fun. Since both factions are placed in a relatively small area, a lot of world pvp happens. Also, more and more daily zones/questing zones are being added monthly. The attunement really isn't that bad from what I think of it. They are reducing the "difficulty" of it soon, though, so any gripes people have about it will be gone in the near future. Speaking of attunement, the dungeons in this game are amazingly fun and challenging. I can't wait to see what veteran dungeons are like. There is also 20 and 40 man raiding, which looks like a blast. So, I would give Wildstar a B+ to an A for endgame.	
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I'm new to wildstar, currently I think 16, on Pergo an Espar.
 
Attunements, grinding, etc, is not a problem -- as long as it's worth it (not looking for handouts like LFR gear but vanilla like quests for a blue weapon/sets, dungeon sets would be cool)
 
I enjoy the game so far, taking my time leveling because questing and just exploring something new is fun after a decade of WoW.
 
Anyway add me, my name is Marat on Pergo, if you have a guild that I can join that plans on getting places add me :)
 
Also tell me about the game, any interesting facts; etc..
 
I've been seeing a lot of negativity on forums and most of it is well "I don't have shinies", "there are bugs", "there are cheaters"; it's a new game! This game's potential will take off!
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I don't understand what attunement has to do w/that?
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Essentially that nobody wants to do it a second time because the content has very small margins for error, no time to teach, and is unrewarding. If you're not already past it, or on the trail with a reliable static group, it's become a monstrous slog.
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			Depends what you like. I do PVE stuff. I've found crafting mainly to be a money sink. The dallies make me cringe. Getting in vet dungeons has been rough. Downtime has been brutal to when I play. They are hopefully working to fix some of this by the time you get to 50.	
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			Well the attunement is being nerf since it is nothing more than a stall attempt until they get more content in.	
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Depends:
 
For PvE If you can find 4 another good friends or good guilds who willing to help you through the content.
-If you can, then it will be fun/challenging content for you despite the lack of rewarding (dropped epic/blue gears suck worse than craft gears)/difficulty.
-If you cant, it would be suck to rely on PUG eventhough they will nerf the attument but still PUG is complete random so experience vary.
 
But for PvP still in bad state due to the said 1800 gear OP ownage everyone even in practice mode.	
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			No, they just need to fix minor bugs and the overall level of RNG, specially in itemization and loot tables.	
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Essentially that nobody wants to do it a second time because the content has very small margins for error, no time to teach, and is unrewarding. If you're not already past it, or on the trail with a reliable static group, it's become a monstrous slog.
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Thanks for the info, but how that relates to cheats & exploits is what I don't understand.
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Thanks for the replies; I don't really craft -- I took two gathering professions (mining and relic hunting) and am the type of person to enjoy just cruising around and farming :)
 
So Far this is the first MMO with "this" type of combat system; and that I mean that's not like wow's target and attack; I think it's called action rpg or something but am enjoying it a crap ton. I've tried other Action RPG games like neverwinter and never really liked them; they lacked the little things like a smooth walking system or smooth engine or little things that wow has; and wildstar has a lot of those "little things".
 
So far I'm having a blast, and I've played a lot of Path of Exile so RNGejus is a friend :)	
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			Ohh and a note: I don't like PVP, well do pvp seriously (like wow arenas); I'm all PvE -- The occasional random brawl in a world zone is as close to pvp as I get.	
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THE TRUTH:
It isn't about good or bad, it's about repeating and repeating and repeating...
Hitting 50 is fun at first, you grind quests for Elder gems for items...
 
Then after a while it ages like milk, and even the most hardcore player gets tired.
Raid and dungeons are there for change of pace and better loot, but server populations vary. You are very likely to end up with random group, and it can go good or bad.
 
New content may or may not solve this, depending if Carbine can pull it together and resolve the bugs issue.
 
THE OPINION:
I mostly stick with the Evindra RP Server, because it's a bit more social.
Quantum State Radio hosts in-game dance events, and the radio DJs are running show through their clubs on their plots.
 
Most people hate Roleplayers, but then they try to get people to visit their plots to hangout. Seems hypocritical...
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the endgame is a lot better than WoW's 3 months after lunch. believe it or not, it also has LESS bugs than wow had. also the dailys are less tedious imo. but that depends on what you expect from dailys.
in wildstar they are a nice source of steady income with lots of small goodies and a shiny epic at then end of the reputation. you dont need to farm 5 factions in order to get a recipe after 2 months.
also they already released new daily questhubs and new areas. and more will come.
also the vet adventures are fun and the vet dungeons are a real test of your skills. not to speak of raids. a new dungeon is already announced.
 
ppl just do not understand the process of a mmo in the slightest. the best picture i can come up with is to build a house (in RL). everyone who experienced that knows that is its a huge project and a process and that you do not just pop a full house with full decoration and interior. you also have to plan for a lot of fixing in the initial phase, because it NEVER goes perfect, no matter what. nature of the beast.
carbine did put an amazing raw house on the plot and is fixing stuff fast. also the trucks with the decor guys are waiting to unload already... by the time you are 50 (right approach to take your time btw) you will be able to move into a cosy house.
 
ppl just rushed to 50 like crazy and were complaining about a "deserted" endgame with nothing to do... well, i rushed in wow and it was very dull, until the others did hit 60. and i couldnt just mentor them and have a decent and challenging experience.
 
also by the time you do hit 50 all the little no brainer kids, who joined wow in a polished state on WOTLK/CATA or such and are used to get pummeled to death with free epics and expected/demanded candyland after maxlevel (in wildstar), will have buggered off already.
and you will find a good little community in wildstar that is made of the kind of ppl who initially made wow great. ppl who remember how to work in teams and endure wipes. who remember how to teach new ppl and have fun with them together, no matter the loot.
ppl who remember to have done +100 dungeon runs to get a full T0 blue set (i actually needed +200, lootluck ftw - talk about RNG). ppl who havent gotten their first epic for weeks/months.
 
wildstar is a "fresh" universe and havent gotten an army of fanboys to back them up already like the warcraft universe had.
we might be a small community atm still. but we sure will be/are a damn fine one.
 
my take is, that alot of ppl who didnt see clear and ran back to wow, will come around, after they realized that WoD and every expension to come will be the same boring shit about portals and different colored orcs with a *cupcake*boring static combatsystem.
but well, some ppl embrace the peace of a still life painting.
 
hope that helped you, marat. wildstar sure is a polarising topic, but all complaints are based on wierd opinions or lack of understanding of MMO processes.
 
edit: dont get me wrong tho, i loved wow classic and BC and it still is a decent mmo. but it is nowhere near as perfect/shiny as ppl try to make it look like. to be frank. a lot of ppl just still hang out there, because they are used to, not because they have decent fun.	
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I am actually also taking my sweet time leveling. I have tried various characters, remade some to get the exact look I wanted.. tried different paths to see what I like most (scientist FTW) and have a more relaxed approach.
Not to mention that I actually take my time reading all the lore and texts (and there are some really cool and funny stories there).
 
Last week I did almost exclusively professions and house building.. I loved it more that I can possibly express in a forum. This week we are doing PvP.. it is actually tough but we are learning.
 
This is an excellent game so far and I plan to enjoy it to the fullest and so should everyone else.	
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