112103-megaservers-please-delete-pvp-servers-in-the-process-pvp-server-terrible-design

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Hello Carbine,I'm playing on PvP servers since the release of WoW. I rarely played on a PvE server. After like 10 years of experience in PvP server, I can say with a 99% certainty that PvP servers are indeed a terrible design.Why ? I'll explain.First, most of the times you don't get to chose your servers. That's some naive 2000s game designer thought. Experience proved that in most of the case, you chose your server because your friends/community/people-who-talked-to-you-about-the-game were on it. I hate PvP server. But I never got to play on a PvE one. Half of my friends are in the same case. Which is quite ironic. We all went here because we all joined people that went on a PvP server. Ironically, some PvE-player will join another PvE-player on a PvP server because the first one joined a PvP-player. And so on. In the end, A PvP server is most likely composed of 20-40% PvE  60-80% PvP, and I wouldn't be surprised if some old PvP servers on WoW had a majority of players hating PvP servers on them. Which is really fun. Or not. The amount of frustration is too damn high. Of course, some of my friends also said "no, I won't" and went on a PvE server. And they stopped the game because they were playing alone. Because, well, most of us were on the PvP side. 
 
Second, no one is benefitting from this system. PvP players can always PvP. They can just activate their PvP flag at all time and gank & get ganked all day long. PvP servers are just some additionnaly and unnecessary comfort for PvP players. Something PvP players often answer us is "well, on a PvE server, we wouldn't be able to gank ANYONE". Well YES, that's INTENDED ! You SHOULDN'T be able to gank PvE players that don't want to PvP in the first place ! Right now you're only able to do so because PvE players are forced into PvP environments ! This is just creating frustration for PvE players, and not adding any pleasure to PvP players. (except the sad one of ruining someone else experience) Right now, the design of the PvP servers is : "we'll create a server were some players that don't want to PvP will be forced into so you can gank them and be satisfied while they'll be frustrated and eventually quit". Sorry, but this is what you call a terrible design. 
 
Third, I have a solution. Actually. In my opinion, you could just merge and delete PvP servers. But then, PvP players would complain that they'll miss the adrenaline feel of "I can get attacked anytime". There is a very easy fix for this. Instead of asking players to chose between a PvP and a PvE server, ask them to chose between a PvP character and a PvE character. When they create their character, they have to chose between an "always PvP" and a "PvE" character. "Always PvP" characters would never be allowed to switch off the "PvP flag". Then you can eventually give them (small) PvP rewards, achievements, and so on. You could lower slightly the rank prerequisite of HL items, or lower their cost, for "always PvP" players. There's a lot of things you could do to improve their experience and ours. While merging all your servers into one.
 
Megaserver is the right time to think about this. PvP/PvE is a flawed design inherited from WoW. You can't actually get rid of RP servers (which are indeed good and productive) and at the same time not get rid of PvP/PvE in the process. 
 
 
Thanks for listening.
 
Nymphz, engineer. Treespeaker. (PvP-FR)
Nymph, warlock. Conseil des Ombres. (PvP-FR)	
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			please delete pve servers	
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			I agree. PvP players can PvP together while the PvErs can do their thing and watch PvPers rage at getting ganked all the time	
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Please delete your RP server.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Oh. Wait.  :(	
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Please delete your RP server.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Oh. Wait.  :(
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The most ridiculous, moronic and selfish thread to date?
 
In short "Please delete servers that other people enjoy because I'm incapable of picking a PvE one since my friends want to go where I don't"
 
Yeah, no.
 
You don't like PvP servers? Roll a PvE one then. It's THAT simple. You have literally zero excuse. No, "i want to play with my friends who want a PvP server" isn't one. It's actually extremely childish and selfish to take that away from them (everyone), because YOU don't want it. 	
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No.
 
Signed Syl xoxoxo
 
(btw pve servers suck but i don't want them removed)	
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NO! Here i will explain why.....
1)There will be mega server pvp and mega server pve. Why hate on guys who can do the entire game full time?
 
2) Pvp'rs want full time pvp not the carebear pvp you just described.
 
3) and lastly i have a solution go play a rpgr! since that is what you just described. You want a Final Fantasy experience without playing that game. This is a game for gamers who want to play how they want not some straight line b/s. If you dont like pvp DONT roll on a pvp server end of story.	
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Oh btw, I am one of those dirty scrubs who go around ganking pve'ers who cry about pvp on a pvp server.
 
Hate me for it, I don't care, it fills my time with happiness and enjoyment c:	
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Please keep all feedback regarding  megaservers to the main thread. Keeping discussions constructive and on-topic is important especially with regards to server feedback.
 
 
Thank you
- Team WildStar 	
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