123848-about-those-dye-changes

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It wasn't that long ago that there were a long list of complaints on these forums that dyes were unusually hard to come by.  The sources they came from were very limited, generally the casual player got them from challenges and, if they were lucky, a boom box.  Other dye boxes were expensive in game currencies.  Almost all of the dyes were soulbound, so if you came across one you had already, your only option was to sell it to a vendor, no matter how rare.  Sometimes, you would get lucky and get a non-soulbound dye that could be sold on the AH or traded to an alt if you had it already.  We have a tab in our bank dedicated to decor and FABkits, less commonly costumes, and the odd and occasional dye.
 
I guess it just hit me how much the game has changed last night when I looked in that tab and saw we had probably between twenty and thirty in there, many of which I didn't used to see.  A few I didn't have (our bank policy is a bit like a hippy commune, and with how decent my guildmates are, I keep having to remind people to take things out of the bank so we don't top out tabs), and so I took them.  I dropped by the costume vendor a bit later and realized that I had probably more than doubled my personal dye list since Drop 4.
 
Compared to where we were, that's a huge boon to anyone who cares about how they look in the game (which is a lot more than I thought).  With the new costume sets coming in Drop 5, it's good that dyes were made more plentiful now so that we have better access to a wider range of colors.  I just wanted to mention how excellent these changes has been, especially in a guild like ours, where we are always getting hues someone needs from the Shiphands people run between meatier content.  So, thanks for loosening up the chains on the dyes, Carbine.  It's been a boon for the casual player who got sick of wearing Heartwood.	
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			Yes, I had almost finished out my main's dye collection within a few days after Drop 4.  For the longest time I was missing Supernova("goes pop, Supernova ya think it's over", get that song stuck in my head when I think of it :P), and Black Hole("son won't you come and wash away the rain", now that I was thinking of songs while typing this, I shall now be getting that song in my head too :P), but then I got Supernova from the 15 partial primal pattern bag(they're soulband from those bags, btw).  Now I just need Black Hole.  Wouldn't happen to have one in your bank would you?  I PROMISE I won't just join your guild just to ninja it :D  (j/k :P  I'm patient)	
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Yes, I had almost finished out my main's dye collection within a few days after Drop 4.  For the longest time I was missing Supernova("goes pop, Supernova ya think it's over", get that song stuck in my head when I think of it :P), and Black Hole("son won't you come and wash away the rain", now that I was thinking of songs while typing this, I shall now be getting that song in my head too :P), but then I got Supernova from the 15 partial primal pattern bag(they're soulband from those bags, btw).  Now I just need Black Hole.  Wouldn't happen to have one in your bank would you?  I PROMISE I won't just join your guild just to ninja it :D  (j/k :P  I'm patient)
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It's practically raining dyes now hehe. Everytime I log on theres usually someone jsut giving the things away XD
 
There are still some very rare ones that are pricey on the CX,  but I can live without "white" and "black", but I noticed that the adundance has made it overall more affordable with reduced prices making customization easier as well.
 
Last I checked a black hole dye went for something like 75p.....because everyone wants to be super batman. White goes for something like 35p...	
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It's practically raining dyes now hehe. Everytime I log on theres usually someone jsut giving the things away XD
 
There are still some very rare ones that are pricey on the CX,  but I can live without "white" and "black", but I noticed that the adundance has made it overall more affordable with reduced prices making customization easier as well.
 
Last I checked a black hole dye went for something like 75p.....because everyone wants to be super batman. White goes for something like 35p...
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Yea, I've seen Black between 60-80,  White's usually around 60 I think.  I'm actually quite happy with using Dark Energy or Dark Matter when I want "black", and there's a few others that are just so dark they're almost black with a tint of what color family they're in, but it's just that I want to finish my dye collection LOL  The one color I'll probably never get though is that Gamescon Blue/Purple dye :(
 
OMG Yes Vic, it would totally rock to have some classic Western type clothes to make a Johnny Cash toon.  Or Rosanne since my toons are female :P	
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Sophie, my new 50 is always looking for dyes! My guild mates are so cool about offering them to the guild I have to be careful and wait to give other people a chance at the offer before I say...Sophie could use it :)
 
Dixie has ~most~ dyes except for maybe black and white; I'm with Typrop on that, I can wait for those no big deal.
 
So, the changes to the dyes have been an awesome change for the better!	
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This is great news! For me personally, this was one the many areas that Wildstar needed improvement.
 
As a soloer, I don't need raid gear, but I damn well skippy NEED to look fabulous.	
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Making dyes not soulbound - it was such a simple change and amazing it took so long to get here but damn! Am I happy it's here! :D
 
Now if only they'd make duplicates stack.	
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Now if only they'd make duplicates stack.
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Making dyes not soulbound - it was such a simple change and amazing it took so long to get here but damn! Am I happy it's here! :D
 
Now if only they'd make duplicates stack.
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Last I checked a black hole dye went for something like 75p.....because everyone wants to be super batman. White goes for something like 35p...
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Last time i check it was the other way around in the EU, quite interesting.
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Just checked, Supernova White was going for 50-68p.  A couple weeks ago somebody was listing it for 134p.  One hundred thirty four.  Platinum.  300 days of CREDD based on Entity prices.
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			Ah yes, the white whale... Supernova White.	
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Ah yes, the white whale... Supernova White.
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On Nexus, life was cheap, and everything was for sale... if you had the money....
 
And that, kids, is why the Empire truly failed.  Those stormtrooper outfits?  Expensive.
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			It would also be nice if they lowered the dying price. I don't really wanna pay 68 gold just to dye my raidin outfit dark energy with eldan gold. And its really inconvienient because the more rare the dye and the armour the more expensive it is. Its also unfortunate that all the good looking dyes are the rare dyes.	
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It would also be nice if they lowered the dying price. I don't really wanna pay 68 gold just to dye my raidin outfit dark energy with eldan gold. And its really inconvienient because the more rare the dye and the armour the more expensive it is. Its also unfortunate that all the good looking dyes are the rare dyes.
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It would also be nice if they lowered the dying price. I don't really wanna pay 68 gold just to dye my raidin outfit dark energy with eldan gold. And its really inconvienient because the more rare the dye and the armour the more expensive it is. Its also unfortunate that all the good looking dyes are the rare dyes.
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I find it funny in a sad way that the mooks from the Radiant and Golden Legion feature some of the most expensive dyes in their clothes. The Dominion must be burning a lot of cash in dying their uniforms, with how expensive those dyes are! Because I guess in the Wildstar universe black and white are some of the most rare colors ever. We are so lucky here in the real world, where we can just go to a cloth shop and ask for a black or white shirt as if it was nothing special!
 
Bottom line: Carbine sucks at everything related to economics.	
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I find it funny in a sad way that the mooks from the Radiant and Golden Legion feature some of the most expensive dyes in their clothes. The Dominion must be burning a lot of cash in dying their uniforms, with how expensive those dyes are! Because I guess in the Wildstar universe black and white are some of the most rare colors ever. We are so lucky here in the real world, where we can just go to a cloth shop and ask for a black or white shirt as if it was nothing special!
 
Bottom line: Carbine sucks at everything related to economics.
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			I rather prefer the price difference con dyes. They are a fashion luxury and some as work as a estatus symbol due to their rarity (and hence accompanied with the price tag).	
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Ah, yes. The famed status symbol of being blessed by a random number generator. Which is, you know, random and hence no skill is involved at all. And thanks to it being an RNG gamblebox, there's no measurement of wealth or invested time either: if the randomness blesses a player, he can get it on the first box they open.
 
If it was a thing you could actually buy for tokens/currency with no RNG involved, or acquired via an achievement, then I'd agree it would be some kind of status symbol. Right now they only thing it measures is the probability of someone ussing CREDD to buy it off the AH.
 
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It would also be nice if they lowered the dying price. I don't really wanna pay 68 gold just to dye my raidin outfit dark energy with eldan gold. And its really inconvienient because the more rare the dye and the armour the more expensive it is. Its also unfortunate that all the good looking dyes are the rare dyes.
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Dyes only last as long as the 'item' (I guess it's really a 'look' now?) stays on the costume slot. Remove it, and you have ro reapply the dye, with everything and cost. I don't know if they have made it any cheaper to compensate.
 
Me? I bet they didn't.	
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			My favorite part of these forums right now is how the primary argument against F2P is that there will be all these design changes to try to make people spend more money. That makes me giggle every time someone says it.	
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Ah, yes. The famed status symbol of being blessed by a random number generator. Which is, you know, random and hence no skill is involved at all. And thanks to it being an RNG gamblebox, there's no measurement of wealth or invested time either: if the randomness blesses a player, he can get it on the first box they open.
 
If it was a thing you could actually buy for tokens/currency with no RNG involved, or acquired via an achievement, then I'd agree it would be some kind of status symbol. Right now they only thing it measures is the probability of someone ussing CREDD to buy it off the AH.
 
 
Good enough. Now I want the historical precedent where dying gear could only be obtained by being randomly blessed when opening a box you got out of a monster's belly!
The Dominion is either mass producing or importing Supernova White dyes to outfit their soldiers. So I guess what we get from this is that the Dominion is buying a lot of CREDD and burning it out in the intergalactic version of the AH to buy those.
Though I personally like the image of every Radiant Leggionare being tasked with farming renown in Shiphands and Dungeons until they get their own set of the dye. We just need a Scion of Fashion to justify it as an official trial.
 
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Is there a lot of historical precedent for a culture of spacefaring people having such a poor grasp of synthetic dyes that the cost of dyeing an item of clothing can be the same as the price of a house? 
 
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Is there a lot of historical precedent for a culture of spacefaring people having such a poor grasp of synthetic dyes that the cost of dyeing an item of clothing can be the same as the price of a house? 
 
Just curious.
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Depends.  What kind of synthetic dye do you envision will change the color of your clothing, metals, leather, chrome, grenades, glass, and rubber different colors on demand without taking them off?
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In a setting where nanotech is common?  All of it.
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There's no saying though that all synthetic dyes can be applied at that scale with the same price.
 
Hell, colors don't cost the same to dye now, even as synthetics.  It's just that the markup on price on clothes and the industrial process makes it negligible.  When you can get shirts for quarters apiece and resell them for ten dollars, whether something requires a sulfur dye or alkaline that might be twice as expensive just isn't that much of a difference.
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I still kind of think that in a game where nano skin can make a person, and their clothes, invisible, that telling my boots to turn a slightly darker shade of black should be pretty simple. 
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I still kind of think that in a game where nano skin can make a person, and their clothes, invisible, that telling my boots to turn a slightly darker shade of black should be pretty simple. 
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Who's to say this whole dye system isn't just Protostar sucking a profit out of us?
 
"Why sure, valued customer!  Your boots will absolutely turn two shades darker in the wavelength of your chosen color.  That will be 14 gold.  Protostar thanks you for your color hue finickiness!"
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Who's to say this whole dye system isn't just Protostar sucking a profit out of us?
 
"Why sure, valued customer!  Your boots will absolutely turn two shades darker in the wavelength of your chosen color.  That will be 14 gold.  Protostar thanks you for your color hue finickiness!"
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Oh I am sure it is, but there is also the issue of making the dyes that everyone wants really rare. It is an artificial inflation of value on a high demand commodity.   
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I hate to say it, but that's just how dyes in games are.  Abyss and Celestial dyes in GW2 are no different.  There's not a lot that can be done.  People want pure white, pure black, pure red.  All the time.
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Me: nanotech
 
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There's no saying though that all synthetic dyes can be applied at that scale with the same price.
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Funny enough, I actually don't like the blacks in this game.  There's so much color everywhere that when I throw on Dark Energy or Dark Matter even, it just looks dull on my costumes.  So I generally use darkly colored hues anyway, particularly Extragalactic and Ultramarine.
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Me: nanotech
 
 
You completely missed the point.  In RL there are substances you can buy that will adjust pigment based on an applied charge they're just not economically feasible yet to be commonplace.  Within the next 10-20 years I expect to see t-shirts with animated graphics. 
 
Nanotech is quite a bit more configurable.  I highly recommend Morgan's Altered Carbon.
 
 
Functional invisibility takes significantly more resources than a simple hue modification.
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I hate to say it, but that's just how dyes in games are.  Abyss and Celestial dyes in GW2 are no different.  There's not a lot that can be done.  People want pure white, pure black, pure red.  All the time.  Drop rates will be adjusted to exacerbate that need.
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Oh I know, I sold my extra shadow abyss for a tidy sum. I just from a stand point of customization am against things that artificially make customization more difficult. Want to put a noodle cart on the side of your warpig that has a dico ball on its head? Fine. Want really black pants? Hope you are willing to pay out the nose.  
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You think Carbine should introduce a flat-price vendor to compensate?
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I still want a damn orange dye that isn't shying away from pure orange.  The closest I've found is Rusty Freebot, but the orange I WANT is locked behind a dye that I'll probably never see:  Ichorous Orange.
 
 
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Have you seen Fireball:
 
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and Primal Flame:
 
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And OMG, just looked at Ichorous on the CX, it's 15p on Entity  :mellow:
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I would also be willing to have an elder gem dye vendor where you can just get the ones you want. RNG systems are irritating for something that has no combat value. 
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I would also be willing to have an elder gem dye vendor where you can just get the ones you want. RNG systems are irritating for something that has no combat value. 
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			Okay, I think we can call that a proposal!  A vendor that sells specific dyes for EG.  Dyes are one thing that will continue to be released, giving EG a continual use.  It can be a higher price of EG per dye, but it's nice to remove the RNG from it and to know what you're getting when you get it.	
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Okay, I think we can call that a proposal!  A vendor that sells specific dyes for EG.  Dyes are one thing that will continue to be released, giving EG a continual use.  It can be a higher price of EG per dye, but it's nice to remove the RNG from it and to know what you're getting when you get it.
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...Wait, what? It's going to cost plat to swap items that you already have in and out of a costume slot unless you're using the item's default colors?
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Who's to say this whole dye system isn't just Protostar sucking a profit out of us?
 
"Why sure, valued customer!  Your boots will absolutely turn two shades darker in the wavelength of your chosen color.  That will be 14 gold.  Protostar thanks you for your color hue finickiness!"
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Yeah. That's who is gouging us. Protostar. The reason you'll have to pay 60 plat for the option to use white
 
and then another 80 plat to actually apply it
 
and then have to reapply it for another 80 plat every time you move that outfit into and out of your 6 costume slots
 
is because those darn green aliens are greedy.
 
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			we already have the bags of dyes in the elder gem vendor, but i see no problem about rising the price of those bags but in the legendarty one put legendary dyes only, ill happy pay 600 EG for that bag or even 1k EG if i know there is a legendary dye, even maintain the priceand make it soulbound but just make the orange bag only drop orange dyes	
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we already have the bags of dyes in the elder gem vendor, but i see no problem about rising the price of those bags but in the legendarty one put legendary dyes only, ill happy pay 600 EG for that bag or even 1k EG if i know there is a legendary dye, even maintain the priceand make it soulbound but just make the orange bag only drop orange dyes
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I'll happily waste 3 weeks of farming EGs to buy Ichorous Orange.
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Yeah. That's who is gouging us. Protostar. The reason you'll have to pay 60 plat for the option to use white
 
and then another 80 plat to actually apply it
 
and then have to reapply it for another 80 plat every time you move that outfit into and out of your 6 costume slots
 
is because those darn green aliens are greedy.
 
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It cost me 2 plat 50 gold to dye the entire spellslinger raid set supernova white on the PTR. Back hole was roughly the same price for the whole outfit
its a fair chunk of change but nowhere near 80 plat :D
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If so, then great. A few months back people were reporting costs for dyeing that were up in that range.
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It cost me 2 plat 50 gold to dye the entire spellslinger raid set supernova white on the PTR. Back hole was roughly the same price for the whole outfit
its a fair chunk of change but nowhere near 80 plat :D
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That is still way more plat than dye should cost, especially once the holo-wardrobe comes into play and we're forced to re-dye gear whenever we change it out.
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That is still way more plat than dye should cost, especially once the holo-wardrobe comes into play and we're forced to re-dye gear whenever we change it out.
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I keep forgetting to d/l the PTS client.  IIRC you can still apply dye to your non-costume pieces.  If you add the "pre-dyed" piece to the holo-wardrobe does it retain it?  *makes the paltry amount of slots look positively miserly*
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That is still way more plat than dye should cost, especially once the holo-wardrobe comes into play and we're forced to re-dye gear whenever we change it out.
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You want to be shiny?
 
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Yes.  Gimme.
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How will you keep lopp from trying to steal you when you sleep? 
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Just wanted to say that I might the luckiest guy on earth. Did kelvoreth and got 2 orange dye boxes. Got black hole dye from first one, and supernova white from 2nd one.	
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