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First example is available to both Dominion and Exiles, though I can't remember if anyone in that group is a Matria (you kill her at the end of the questline on top of the floating platform in the middle of the canyon). It's not unreasonable to think that there could be one because there are elementals working with them. Second example also can't confirm the presence of a Matria. They are actually using a Terraformer which changes the environment by breaking down (killing) the current environment to build the new one (Indeed, and the matria (found in the NW corner of the forrest as a rare mob) is using her powers to help in it). Could you also elaborate on the third example? All I remember was the plague and those Aurin near the Buzzbing area. (its to the West of Fort Glory past the DREDPLEX. There is a burning village full of FCON raiders. In the Dominion questline to stop FCON, the final quest is to stop the Matria who was using the FCON forces to help her steal [some item she took from the village or DREDPLEX IIRC].  you have to fight through a holdout of Granok before you get to her finally, and defeating her ends the questline)
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First example is available to both Dominion and Exiles, though I can't remember if anyone in that group is a Matria (you kill her at the end of the questline on top of the floating platform in the middle of the canyon). It's not unreasonable to think that there could be one because there are elementals working with them. Second example also can't confirm the presence of a Matria. They are actually using a Terraformer which changes the environment by breaking down (killing) the current environment to build the new one (Indeed, and the matria (found in the NW corner of the forrest as a rare mob) is using her powers to help in it). Could you also elaborate on the third example? All I remember was the plague and those Aurin near the Buzzbing area. (its to the West of Fort Glory past the DREDPLEX. There is a burning village full of FCON raiders. In the Dominion questline to stop FCON, the final quest is to stop the Matria who was using the FCON forces to help her steal [some item she took from the village or DREDPLEX IIRC].  you have to fight through a holdout of Granok before you get to her finally, and defeating her ends the questline)
 
I actually think (can't confirm) that he was picked for all those talents to become the First Consort. Sure he's also in a relationship, but I think he's more than a boytoy to the Queen. His opinions were't taken into consideration for pretty much all the things that lead to the Ravaging of Arboria though, but I think he is still fairly powerful in Aurin society. There are Aurin in-game who pretty much agree with him (at least the part about leaving Arboria).
 
I don't deny he was obviously picked for those talents, but his title is based on an Aurin culture of male sexual exploitation. Language is an important part of culture ,and it can tell us alot about a culture's values. I'm not vilifying the Aurin for their culture; I'm merely showing that those who vilify the Dominion for it's social inequity are ignoring the gender and social inequity in their favourite factions.
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- The Eldans bred the Luminai specifically to control the Humans through worship of the Luminai and build a Empire controlled by the Eldan who feared the humans could one day rival them and thus wanted to eliminate that probablity (Perhaps due to the Genesis Prime project or otherwise). The Luminai would then be replaced by the creation of Genesis Prime.
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But there is no gender/social inequity in other factions at all except for the Cassians who are the Dominion itself. The only other 2 races allowed to call themselves part of Dominion are Drakken and Chua so far while the rest of planets unnamed as of yet are considered to be Vassal states.
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This is so ignorant as to be absurd. Every faction has social inequity of some kind. Your characterization of the Dominion is likewise ridiculous. In Durek Stonebreakers own words, the Dominion is filled with "countless worlds", which are all full members of the Dominion. There ARE also planets that are not yet part of the Dominion but are trying to join. But in no sense are worlds "vassal states". In the imperial worlds, resources are distributed equitably through out, as is education and healthcare. The Quality of life of the least among the Dominion worlds is lightyears above the Exiles.
 
 
yup, the Luminai were made to keep Eldan genetics in the Dominion, and to guide the Dominion. They were not and do not "control" anything except as political figureheads and in leadership positions. The Mechari could be said to have controlled the rise and continued prosperity of the Dominion, but even they don't "control" the empire. The Dominion is ruled by the Current Emperor and his council, which at present includes a Chua, Draken, Mechari, High Born, and Low Born Cassian. 
 
 
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A- But it is not ignorant nor absurd. The differences between the 2 are clear; The Dominion, more specifically the Cassians are influenced by a Victorian England high class society with a Medieval Era Christianity Church and the Aussies who are lowborn. While on the Exiles, it is the American Wild West where everything is trying to kill you and there aren't enough people to deal with it. Yet, you see the social inequity more clearly on the Dominion side with various Cassian nobles but on the Exiles side there is no social inequity. Every race in Exiles is working on a goal objective and ask you to help them in reaching that quota. Any journal you pick up relating to Exiles don't have any hate or bias written towards each other while the Cassians obviously do. In fact you hardly see any social inequities on the Exile side while on the Cassians it smacks you in the face first.
 
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Heck, there is nearly an all out war between the Aurin and Mordesh in Celestion (Arwick nearly kills Victor...).
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Yes it's absurd...
 
" move forward with the Cassian Initiative. They are sufficiently advanced to have warranted our attention, and analysis indicates that they will be perfect leaders for our new empire; one that will rule the galaxy "
 
The Cassians were chosen to LEAD the empire. That's why the Eldan mixed their genetics with their own to produce Dominus. 
 
Your characterizations are extremely confused... you do realize there was tremendous social inequity in the "wild west"? Just as there is in the Exile Humans. They have different social classes just as any other society, and there is animosity between them. In particular the Judges come to mind, but there are plenty of examples, and of course the animosity between exile races is just as if not more tangible than in the Dominion. Heck, there is nearly an all out war between the Aurin and Mordesh in Celestion (Arwick nearly kills Victor...).
 
I honestly don't believe you've ever played a Dominion character all the way through. Because what you see most often is social status meaning nothing in the face of valor and merit. Major arcs are based on powerful low born and non-cassians. There's verbal quips and snips, but all the races work together in mutual respect, unlike the constant arguments between Exile races that leads to a "ravaging of arboria" against the Torine in Celestion and nearly destroying Nexus in a squirg-ocalypse in Whitevale. 
 
And what the literal CUPCAKE are you talking about? There are journals detailing Aurin HATING their nobility (the Matrias / Queen)... 
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			If the human race was chosen by the eldan and nexus is their herritage, cassians and exile humans both have rights to claim it. Because exile humies are the exact same cassians who said big FU to dominion society.
			
				
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If the human race was chosen by the eldan and nexus is their herritage, cassians and exile humans both have rights to claim it. Because exile humies are the exact same cassians who said big FU to dominion society.
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			Need to note down the rebellion probably started after the eldan went missing, so I guess with the puppet masters gone the puppets can't do anything properly. so basic the dominion right to rule is just some made up fiction that the eldan used to control them.	
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Exiles are traitors to the Dominion. They are not the heirs to Nexus, the Dominion is. The Exiles gave up their claim to Dominion heritage when they launched a massive terrorist attack on their innocent fellows and tried to destroy the Dominion.
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Exiles are traitors to the Dominion. They are not the heirs to Nexus, the Dominion is. The Exiles gave up their claim to Dominion heritage when they launched a massive terrorist attack on their innocent fellows and tried to destroy the Dominion.
 
 
 
I have 4 toons at 50, 2 Dominion Medics (Chua / Cassian) and an Aurin Stalker and Mordesh Engineer. I took my Chua through Deradune and my Cassian through Ellevar, and I took my Aurin through Celestion and my Mordesh through Algoroc. All of them are at least up to Omnicore-1 in terms of world story and have all of the regional quest lines (not necessarily the side tasks) done. 
 
Yes the judges are absolutely idiotic. They have no formal training and have power based solely on seniority. They don't follow laws, but make them up as they go along, leading to some seriously questionable ethical dilemmas that are overlooked because the people you help are on the "winning" side of their caprices.
 
 
I'm not going to waste time with all your silly points, but yes Toric is the BEST example of valor, but so is Corrigan Doon, and the chua Legionare Ringo Hax during the strain Arc. Major Aurelies also makes a whole lot of difficult decisions to save a lot of people in Whitevale... Heck even MONDO saves the world several times (inc. in Whitevale with the Exile caused squirg armagedon). Kezerek Warbringer saves Nexus on Farside..... The Dominion is FULL of examples of valor, heck even the Emperor and High Priestess of the VC have displayed substantial acts of valor...
 
And Lex took out the Luminai governor because he was plotting to get innocent Citizens killed to further his political goals. He was a member of the ghost house (House Chaul), the same house that poisoned Emperor Jarec of House Azrion to claim the Throne and thrust the Dominion into its "Dark Days". Lex killed two birds with one stone, taking him and the Granok Terrorist out... It's what Lex does, he's a super secret agent ...  Just like the Exiles, the Dominion has some bad eggs in it's ranks.... and the Dominon makes every effort to stop corruption and abuse of power. You help Toric stop the rogue Priest in Ellevar, Lex stop the traitor Luminai in Deradune, Voriona Cazalon stops the old corrupt High Priest herself, and Emperor Myrcalus deposes Emperor Vorios the False after obtaining irrefutable proof that Vorios of House Chaul had poisoned his predecessor..... Kezerek Warbringer likewise saved his best friend (and former leader of the Legions) from dishonour... Courage, Valour, and nobility are a BIG deal in the Dominion, much more so than in the Exiles. 
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If the human race was chosen by the eldan and nexus is their herritage, cassians and exile humans both have rights to claim it. Because exile humies are the exact same cassians who said big FU to dominion society.
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Nazryn I've gotten used to your warped perception making you see and say pretty strange and honestly hilarious angles of story elements and I think most who know your posting history do as well. I just wanted to say that this, this right here takes the cake. :D
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@Spider bro Jenkins
Technically speaking the Nexus was already colonized and settled by the Exiles by the time Dominion came. Through that perspective the ones invading would be the Dominion not the Exiles, however the Dominion does have legal claim to the Nexus through the Luminai yet the whole legality issue of Nexus is still unconfirmed as the Eldans were prematurely eliminated before we could learn more of their plans after Nexus Project. The true heir for all intents and purposes in my opinion, is Drusera and it is up to her to decided who will control the planet.  And yes, that is what i meant, both sides save the day equally or attempt to find conclusion.
 
You also miss the point on Lex, I said YOU, the player, is used by Lex to hunt and capture the Granok in order to finish the illusion that the Luminai was killed by the Granok. Yes perhaps poisoning could not have been prevented (I still question how a priest could obtain such a thing)  but you didn't prevent the future ones.. You simply massacred them and their shaman to keep them in line.
 
Alas such is war, often when there is no end to conflict between two sides you breed hatred and dissonance in the generations after you placing no end to the bloodshed that ensues. A good sad example would be the Aurins in Deradune who were angered at the Drakken for hunting the beasts in Deradune for sport for their "barbaric" traditions known as the Great hunt and thus decided to fight them on it .. yet at Owaneee Station there is a highborn cassian called Casius whos trying to preserve these animals to prevent extinction. But they couldn't know, Dominions policy on Exiles are to kill them on sight and capture any that survive the initial onslaught and in return you have the Exiles answer of hitting back harder.. There is no end to this. Yes some Exiles naturally want the dominion destroyed because they don't know when to put a grudge down or have caused issues with some of the races, while the dominion simply wants them wiped out for refusing to quit running or shooting back (also occupying nexus).
 
 
@Nazryn
A- Your example of the Judge is highly misleading. TBTF clearly tells of the story when young Kaine becomes a Judge and swears to bring justice to the Darkspur Cartel, and Algoroc? The inter galactic crime organization murdered the only peacekeeper (the local policeman) and terrorized the poor town to lure out Kaine just to kill him. And no, just because the dominion perceive the Exiles as terrorists DOESN'T MAKE THEM EQUAL AND ALIGNED TO CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS. The Darkspur Cartel is just as hostile to BOTH FACTIONS and JUDGES IN PARTICULAR are working everyday to bring them to JUSTICE.
 
B- Yes it still the same in the Squirg. On the Exiles side they blew the terraformar in a last minute measure when the forces stationed to defend it was overrun by the dominion and fearing what the dominion would do with it (Considering how crazy Mondo is, it's a legal fear). Unfortunately for the Exiles, they accidentally unleashed the Squirg in which Durek and Victor work together to have you shut down the terraformer and blow the squirg hive/queen sky high.
 
C- Unless you don't count 007 films, Bourne Legacy, Mission impossible and other films.. Nope. And again, no the clan lord doesn't have a grudge on him because he killed "scored of dominion citizens" (Soldiers I agree), its because he eluded capture several times or has escaped captivity numerous times (You tick him quite off asking how he could escape so many times). Perhaps questioning as to why a priest would suddenly walk out of town alone with no purpose (I doubt preaching to the pell would count as you are already sent in the first place for diplomacy)? I just feel it odd that Toric the COMMANDER would be pointed out so quickly for suspicion (Perhaps his lowborn status?) but some priest can hop away freely with no suspicion. Yes the Emperor decries corruption, but there is no real effort put in by the ICI to keep the nobility in check and many of them go unnoticed because nobody below highborn wants to be executed.
 
D- Its not just Lex, the Vigilant Church is another example and various other areas of the Dominion (The newsletters as the Exiles claim for example). Lex is just one example, and no you don't cover up anything for Avra Darkos. In fact most of her quests involve you getting nearly killed on counter-intelligence and intelligence gathering missions without knowing why.	
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@Spider bro Jenkins
Technically speaking the Nexus was already colonized and settled by the Exiles by the time Dominion came. Through that perspective the ones invading would be the Dominion not the Exiles, however the Dominion does have legal claim to the Nexus through the Luminai yet the whole legality issue of Nexus is still unconfirmed as the Eldans were prematurely eliminated before we could learn more of their plans after Nexus Project. The true heir for all intents and purposes in my opinion, is Drusera and it is up to her to decided who will control the planet.  And yes, that is what i meant, both sides save the day equally or attempt to find conclusion.
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@Nazryn
A- Your example of the Judge is highly misleading. TBTF clearly tells of the story when young Kaine becomes a Judge and swears to bring justice to the Darkspur Cartel, and Algoroc? The inter galactic crime organization murdered the only peacekeeper (the local policeman) and terrorized the poor town to lure out Kaine just to kill him. And no, just because the dominion perceive the Exiles as terrorists DOESN'T MAKE THEM EQUAL AND ALIGNED TO CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS. The Darkspur Cartel is just as hostile to BOTH FACTIONS and JUDGES IN PARTICULAR are working everyday to bring them to JUSTICE.
 
The Darkspur Cartel also didn't try to overthrow the Dominion in a massive terrorist attack... you're correct, the two are not equal, the Exiles are terrorists with huge amounts of innocent blood on their hands, while the Darkspurs are just common organized criminals. Kaine was made a judge for revenge, and that's a major motivation of his... rather than justice.
 
B- Yes it still the same in the Squirg. On the Exiles side they blew the terraformar in a last minute measure when the forces stationed to defend it was overrun by the dominion and fearing what the dominion would do with it (Considering how crazy Mondo is, it's a legal fear). Unfortunately for the Exiles, they accidentally unleashed the Squirg in which Durek and Victor work together to have you shut down the terraformer and blow the squirg hive/queen sky high.
 
So when the Exiles lose battles,  it's ok to end the world? 
 
C- Unless you don't count 007 films, Bourne Legacy, Mission impossible and other films.. Nope. And again, no the clan lord doesn't have a grudge on him because he killed "scored of dominion citizens" (Soldiers I agree), its because he eluded capture several times or has escaped captivity numerous times (You tick him quite off asking how he could escape so many times). Perhaps questioning as to why a priest would suddenly walk out of town alone with no purpose (I doubt preaching to the pell would count as you are already sent in the first place for diplomacy)? I just feel it odd that Toric the COMMANDER would be pointed out so quickly for suspicion (Perhaps his lowborn status?) but some priest can hop away freely with no suspicion. Yes the Emperor decries corruption, but there is no real effort put in by the ICI to keep the nobility in check and many of them go unnoticed because nobody below highborn wants to be executed.
 
So just because a person works in security or the millitary they aren't a person/ Citizen? Also your point is invalid, the Granok raided several villages full of "not soldiers" as well to take Draken lands to mine (that mine was on Draken land). Why would anyone stop a priest doing his business? There was no reason to think he was up to treachery until he showed his hand. All through out Ellevar you follow priests working out in the wilds... heck it even comes to one of the major Arcs (the Ascendency Arc) as you work with a priest (Caledor Antevian) out of the city. And what are you talking about? You complain about Lex literally keeping the corrupt nobility in check... and then say the ICI doesn't make an effort to keep the nobility in check? Just like Avra Darkos has and will off powerful exiles she deems a threat, when nobles threaten the Dominion, Axis and Lex take care of them. 
 
And Toric was pointed out for suspicion... because HE ACTUALLY WAS BOINKING ZIN.... he was legitimately suspicious, because he and Artemis are a real secret couple. The Priest was literally doing his job, negotiating with the pell, but decided that killing them would be better... No one but him could have known till it was too late..
 
D- Its not just Lex, the Vigilant Church is another example and various other areas of the Dominion (The newsletters as the Exiles claim for example). Lex is just one example, and no you don't cover up anything for Avra Darkos. In fact most of her quests involve you getting nearly killed on counter-intelligence and intelligence gathering missions without knowing why.
 
Give one example of the Vigilant Church under High Priestess Voronia Cazalon intentionally assassinating people and covering it up... other than rogue priests (inc. Caledor Antevian) Cazalon doesn't stand for that behavior. Which is why the rogues are brought to justice.
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Everything else in spiders post is great, but I have to disagree with both of you HERE. Long before Walker was brought to Nexus in a desperate bid by Drusera, the Millenial Mechari and Luminai Dominus were born and worked on Nexus. Dominus' children (the Luminai) are rightful heirs to the planet by birth, which, need I remind you 
 was literally built from scratch by the Eldan to complete the Genesis Prime (aka. Drusentity) for the Dominion 
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There are living members of the Dominion (e.g. Axis Pheydra) who worked on Nexus ~2000 years ago. While Pheydra's memories of the location and nature of Nexus were wiped (as were those of all Millenial Mechari) she still posesses Omega level access to the Nexus mainframe. So when it comes to settlements / who got there first. The Dominion is in the right, and current citizens were on Nexus long before the Exiles, and even coeveal to and preceeding the Osun. 
 
Some people also consider Tresayne Toria and her Torine Blade Sisters to represent an offshoot of the Dominion on Nexus... This is probably a more contentious point, as their goals have shifted to protecting the planet and it's primal life, but there is an argument both ways for this one. 
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A- Your views on the Exiles are highly misleading yet again. Are Exiles terrorists? I would say so yes with the Black hoods but only with the Black Hoods (Nobody controls Avra and Avra does what she pleases like Mondo). However, for the majority no they aren't terrorists. Is it right to call the Aurins who were forced out of their planet by not their own will terrorists? Is it right to call the Mordesh terrorists for refusing to accept their fate to be all but wiped out with no hope of seeking a cure? Lowborns who lost their civil war and no longer has any foothold in Cassus but simply forced to drift in space on borrowed time terrorists?
 
Um, Technically yes. ALL exile Humans either were part of the terrorist attack on the Dominion, or are the children of those who did (And continue to do so). The Aurin are guilty of abetting the terrorists, which makes them just as guilty as far as the Dominion is Concerned (and notably as far as OUR laws would be concerned too ). One groups freedom fighter is another groups terrorists. I'm not saying every single Exile is a vicious murderer, just as not every Dominion citizen is a Proud Church goer... but legally the whole lot are criminals / terrorists as far as the dominion is concerned.
 
There was no cure for the Contagion, there still is no cure for the contagion. That the Dominion only Quarantined and didn't glass Grismara was a serious oversight. In U.S. military training documents with Zombie apocalypse scenarios (granted they started as a joke, they are actually used in training millitary personnel now), the action for such a dramatic infestation is "nuclear sterilization". The continued existence of the Contagion is an existential threat to the galaxy rivaled only by the Strain... I'm sorry that the Mordesh were too arrogant to think proper testing of Victor's snake oil was warranted, and that Victor's Hubris blinded him to the serious danger his creation posed... it's a text book example of "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it"
 
When you are driven your homes, pursued endlessly without rest, reason or peace.. Is it still reasonable to call them Terrorists? No, of course not. Majority of Exiles worked endlessly and tirelessly to find a new home without involving anyone else  to get away from the Dominion and Dominion kept pushing. Of course the Exiles will fight back and try and stop the Dominion. And what huge amounts of innocent blood is on their hands? Are they constantly running around suicide bombing people in Illium? Are they purposely seeking to harm innocent citizens of the dominion? Of course not, only Avra Darkos is willing to go the extreme because Mondo Zax certainly isn't going to wake up one day with a Angelic moral change. The rest of the Exiles are trying rebuild what they lost and re-enjoy what was denied to them for centuries.. Proper food, fresh air, solid ground and a warm home.
 
Yes, when you're a terrorist on the run you're still a terrorist. You're mistaking Mondo Zax with Axis Pheydra (Avra's counter part in the Dominion). Mondo saves the planet multiple times, and he does not assassinate nobles, torture people, etc as BOTH Avra and Axis do. The Exiles could have gone anywhere in the Outer Rim, including planets inhabited by marauders, and no one at all... that they intentionally went to a planet literally MADE by the Eldan Empire knowing that they would have to fight the Dominion for it is as much due to their desire for revenge and attrition against the Dominion as it was "just surviving". 
 
And yes, as I detail later, in EVERY zone the Exiles are killing Dominion citizens in cold blood. Heck, FCON assassinates Major Aurelis Son in Whitevale just because he is the great grandson of the Captain (Aurelis) who turned in Brightland... The kid is ambushed by FCON, and they execute him in cold blood right in front of you...
 
The fact you continuously act as if the Exiles are simply a faction that only seeks to harm and destroy the dominion is highly obnoxious.
 
And yet thats what they do (as far as the Dominion quest lines are concerned). Every Zone as a Dominion Player is the Exiles trying to kill you and destroy your villages and homes. Ellevar sees the Mordesh Alchemists poisoning the land and water used by peaceful Dominion villages, Auroria is the Exiles literally burning farmsteads to the ground to steal Dominion secrets / tech and the Black Hoods / Alchemists create a bioterror weapon, test it on innocent farmers, and then unleash it in a peaceful farming community... Whitevale is the Exiles literally unleashing squirg Hell on the planet... etc, etc, etc ...
 
The fact that you believe I'm saying the Exiles are entirely evil and the Dominion is entirely good, rather than showing you that BOTH factions are morally grey with substantially GOOD members and substantially BAD members, and that on each factions questlines the other faction is shown to be extremely vile and terrible is highly obnoxious...
 
B - Is it okay for the Exiles to end the world? No, but they did know the squirg was underneath the ground? Again, no. The Exiles are specifically willing to work even beyond looking past the dominion to ensure the planet doesn't blow up either through Mondo or the crazy experiments of the Eldan or OS-1s (FCON sent the Lancers in to deal with the fire elemental in Kel voreth if the dominion didn't knowing the full risks). 
 
What are you talking about? There were no squirg underground, they MADE the squirg with the Terraformer when they bulloxed it up. Mondo has done some crazy things, but he has never "almost blown up the planet". And speaking of Kel Voreth, it was Toric who stopped the Osun Warmaster... it's one of the best public quests of the game...
 
​Are you suggesting that because the Exiles acted with out knowing the consequences they are not responsible for the repercussions? Idiocy isn't a defence for apocalypse ;) the incompetence of the XAS is 100% responsible for those squirg, just as Victor and the Mordesh are 100% responsible for the Contagion.
 
C- Of course they are citizens, but their job is soldiers who are tasked with dealing the mercs. Naturally the Granoks as Mercenaries would be given jobs to fight and kill the dominion military forces, and under standard military ROE a citizen is classified as a friendly target that has no hostile arms (Which is what I meant with soldiers, please use your common sense). Toric didn't arouse suspicion because of Zin, he aroused suspicion because he kept passing menial tasks to his corporal who got mad at it.
 
The Quest is LITERALLY to follow Toric to see if he is meeting Zin... it's in the quest dialogue... in the quest you find nothing, but there is a journal entrie exposing their very real love affair
 
In fact I am more suspect of the drakken next to Zin considering she has more attachment to her bodyguard than Toric (As seen when you nearly kill him). If the Corporal is willing to suspect his commander for menial tasks (Which is naturally something the lower ranks are supposed to do and not an Officer's job) then why not a lone priest?
 
Kevo is old as Cupcake and is her mentor.... and seriously, it's in the journal entrie... Zin and Toric are a real thing...
 
Because Priests in Ellevar are working alone ALL the time.... seriously, stop ignoring Calledor Antevian's (a priest) huge Ascendency Arc in Ellevar, the priests are there to uncover Eldan relics, and that was the purpose of the Priest negotiating with the Pell.. for access to relics... Caledor goes out on his own all the time... it's not odd, it's what they are there to do
 
 
Yes there are priests outside the town but these are priests with protection, while this priest goes out of the town alone with no due cause (You actually see him standing and giving sermons in the church indicating likely his job was a pastor hence my pell preaching opinion).
 
See above... replay the Ellevar Arc (or do it in full for the first time) he was not preaching to the pell, he was negotiating for eldan artefacts. And priests were out finding relics all over the place... that's what their purpose in Ellevar was....
 
D-  You said only Lex falsified the truth but only for the Luminai. But then there is the Vigilant Church who has actively refused to acknowledge the truth that the Eldans weren't gods but created A God. Throughout the various meetings with the Church you actively see its followers who are completely out of the loop and so rooted in the false worship. One good example is the Ascendancy, where if you read the Enigma reports of Ellevar they knew about them, but when you go to Whitevale nobody knows what the Ascendancy is except for Toric who doesn't bother to tell you or his followers.
 
The Eldan, by all accounts were gods. They could create life, whole worlds, cure virtually any disease or injury, control the weather, and the very forces of nature. In Japan, they would be called Kami (gods). This is all before the Eldan ascended into the Drusentiy, a literal god in EVERY sense of the word (for better and for worse).  YOU ARE WITH TORIC WHEN CALEDOR AUGMENTS HIMSELF AND STARTS THE ASCENDANCY IN ELLEVAR......You, and "people" Know of the Ascendancy, it's a cult... Toric and you go to stop them in whitevale... WTF are you even talking about, because you're either extremely confused or seriously don't know these quest lines..
 
E- No, the Luminai were not needed for Genesis Prime. The Genesis Prime was achieved by combining 6 Eldan each with a massive amount of primal energy then fused together (Hence the Protocol experiments), while the Luminai was an experiment to make the perfect offspring between Human and Eldan in order to build an Empire for the Eldan. The Mechari were created to observe and monitor the worlds outside of Nexus as well as act on behalf of the Eldan who were busy with the Nexus Project.
 
The Luminai project was one of the first steps in the Nexus project... they had to build their technological capabilities through out the project... and it took serious trial and Error before they perfected the hybridization process... That was necessary before they could start infusing Eldan / other sapient beings with pure primal energies to create the primevals, which was necessary before they could successfully hybridize multiple Eldan (6) AND all the primal energies (Fusion) to create the Drusentity (genesis prime)... and ascend to godhood.. which they did. 
 
The goal of Nexus was Drusera, not Luminai or Mechari. Everything the Eldan built and contributed was solely for Genesis prime and being the ever lasting achievement and legacy of their race, being even named after the oldest Eldan God. Tresayne Toria has no claim to Nexus, she was merely used as a tool to create Dominus and then was left to die by the Eldan after her use was over just like the Mechari and Luminai were merely tools and puppet.
 
The Luminai and Mechari were an integral part of the project... Both represent major technological hurdles that had to be met and surpassed before it would be possible to create the genesis prime (aka. Drusentity). The Eldan (as a whole) did not view the Luminai or the Mechari as tools or puppets, only two felt that way. Ohmna, and most other Eldan saw the Mechari as sentient beings in their own right and loved the Luminai as their children.
 
Drusera being the last of the Eldan per say, and being the legacy of the Eldan as well witnessing their final moments is the heir to Nexus. She is literally the living embodiment of the work the Eldan did on the planet, and she is technically most likely the next and last Archon of the Eldan (Jariel never mentions a successor to his position which is quite odd but I'm sure he would have liked Drusera to be the next head).
 
Drusentity IS the Eldan. She is Jariel, Zarkonis, Nazrek, Aviel, Ionis, and Bathior combined and ascended (again, and I stress this, for BETTER and for WORSE). Drusentity isn't the heir to the Eldan, she IS the Eldan. The Luminai and Dominion are the birthright heirs to Nexus, and Drusentity is technically their god, The Eldan ascended as deified by the Vigilant Church.
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A- Your views on the Exiles are highly misleading yet again. Are Exiles terrorists? I would say so yes with the Black hoods but only with the Black Hoods (Nobody controls Avra and Avra does what she pleases like Mondo). However, for the majority no they aren't terrorists. Is it right to call the Aurins who were forced out of their planet by not their own will terrorists? Is it right to call the Mordesh terrorists for refusing to accept their fate to be all but wiped out with no hope of seeking a cure? Lowborns who lost their civil war and no longer has any foothold in Cassus but simply forced to drift in space on borrowed time terrorists?
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Distinguishing Armed Conflict from Terrorism is generally a matter of law. It is meaningless to quibble about whether dominion or exiles would view each other as terrorists or an armed opposing force for several reasons. Each side in their law could define the other however they wish, and further, we approach the matter from our own understanding of the terms. 
 
The U.S. Code distinguishes domestic terrorism, international terrorism, and acts of war. 
 
Acts of war are acts occurring in the course of declared war, armed conflict between 2 nations, regardless of if war has been declared, or armed conflict between military forces of any origin. 
 
Whereas terrorism generally requires that the act be intended to intimidate or coerce the civilian population, influence the policy of the government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of the government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping. This is further broken our into domestic/international, but those definitions are not relevant to this discussion. 
 
(Use of the word state below should be interpreted to refer to nation states as opposed to the idea of state as it exists in the US) A further relevant description tends to differentiate state terrorism (terrorism done by the state) and state-sponsored terrorism (terrorism supported by the state but committed by violent non-state actors). Generally, most legal scholars and historians agree that state terrorism tends to be seen through the prism of war and national defense rather than through the lens of more traditional terrorism, which by the legal definitions of most states is limited to non-state actors, even if supported by a foreign state (see state-sponsored terrorism). 
 
To compare the exiles or dominion to terrorists is to ignore the basic definitions and modern geopolitical and legal implications distinguishing war (conducted by miltiary/state actors) and terror.	
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Distinguishing Armed Conflict from Terrorism is generally a matter of law. It is meaningless to quibble about whether dominion or exiles would view each other as terrorists or an armed opposing force for several reasons. Each side in their law could define the other however they wish, and further, we approach the matter from our own understanding of the terms. 
 
The U.S. Code distinguishes domestic terrorism, international terrorism, and acts of war. 
 
Acts of war are acts occurring in the course of declared war, armed conflict between 2 nations, regardless of if war has been declared, or armed conflict between military forces of any origin. 
 
Whereas terrorism generally requires that the act be intended to intimidate or coerce the civilian population, influence the policy of the government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of the government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping. This is further broken our into domestic/international, but those definitions are not relevant to this discussion. 
 
(Use of the word state below should be interpreted to refer to nation states as opposed to the idea of state as it exists in the US) A further relevant description tends to differentiate state terrorism (terrorism done by the state) and state-sponsored terrorism (terrorism supported by the state but committed by violent non-state actors). Generally, most legal scholars and historians agree that state terrorism tends to be seen through the prism of war and national defense rather than through the lens of more traditional terrorism, which by the legal definitions of most states is limited to non-state actors, even if supported by a foreign state (see state-sponsored terrorism). 
 
To compare the exiles or dominion to terrorists is to ignore the basic definitions and modern geopolitical and legal implications distinguishing war (conducted by miltiary/state actors) and terror.
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This is a really great explanation Medic! But would you argue that a group (e.g. Brightland and his lieutenants) launching a surprise attack on their fellow citizens (e.g.  Dominion populace) to enact social / political change (e.g. reverse the Vigilant Decree) through threat of violence would not count as ANY form of terrorism? I would posit that at the time, it would certainly have been considered domestic terrorism in the legal eye of the Dominion. (since others here have confused it, suggesting the Exiles are terrorists in the Dominion's legal perspective doesn't preclude the Dominion from being terrorists in the Exiles legal perspective).
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A- Your views on the Exiles are highly misleading yet again. Are Exiles terrorists? I would say so yes with the Black hoods but only with the Black Hoods (Nobody controls Avra and Avra does what she pleases like Mondo). However, for the majority no they aren't terrorists. Is it right to call the Aurins who were forced out of their planet by not their own will terrorists? Is it right to call the Mordesh terrorists for refusing to accept their fate to be all but wiped out with no hope of seeking a cure? Lowborns who lost their civil war and no longer has any foothold in Cassus but simply forced to drift in space on borrowed time terrorists?
 
Um, Technically yes. ALL exile Humans either were part of the terrorist attack on the Dominion, or are the children of those who did (And continue to do so). The Aurin are guilty of abetting the terrorists, which makes them just as guilty as far as the Dominion is Concerned (and notably as far as OUR laws would be concerned too ). One groups freedom fighter is another groups terrorists. I'm not saying every single Exile is a vicious murderer, just as not every Dominion citizen is a Proud Church goer... but legally the whole lot are criminals / terrorists as far as the dominion is concerned.
 
There was no cure for the Contagion, there still is no cure for the contagion. That the Dominion only Quarantined and didn't glass Grismara was a serious oversight. In U.S. military training documents with Zombie apocalypse scenarios (granted they started as a joke, they are actually used in training millitary personnel now), the action for such a dramatic infestation is "nuclear sterilization". The continued existence of the Contagion is an existential threat to the galaxy rivaled only by the Strain... I'm sorry that the Mordesh were too arrogant to think proper testing of Victor's snake oil was warranted, and that Victor's Hubris blinded him to the serious danger his creation posed... it's a text book example of "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it"
 
When you are driven your homes, pursued endlessly without rest, reason or peace.. Is it still reasonable to call them Terrorists? No, of course not. Majority of Exiles worked endlessly and tirelessly to find a new home without involving anyone else  to get away from the Dominion and Dominion kept pushing. Of course the Exiles will fight back and try and stop the Dominion. And what huge amounts of innocent blood is on their hands? Are they constantly running around suicide bombing people in Illium? Are they purposely seeking to harm innocent citizens of the dominion? Of course not, only Avra Darkos is willing to go the extreme because Mondo Zax certainly isn't going to wake up one day with a Angelic moral change. The rest of the Exiles are trying rebuild what they lost and re-enjoy what was denied to them for centuries.. Proper food, fresh air, solid ground and a warm home.
 
Yes, when you're a terrorist on the run you're still a terrorist. You're mistaking Mondo Zax with Axis Pheydra (Avra's counter part in the Dominion). Mondo saves the planet multiple times, and he does not assassinate nobles, torture people, etc as BOTH Avra and Axis do. The Exiles could have gone anywhere in the Outer Rim, including planets inhabited by marauders, and no one at all... that they intentionally went to a planet literally MADE by the Eldan Empire knowing that they would have to fight the Dominion for it is as much due to their desire for revenge and attrition against the Dominion as it was "just surviving". 
 
And yes, as I detail later, in EVERY zone the Exiles are killing Dominion citizens in cold blood. Heck, FCON assassinates Major Aurelis Son in Whitevale just because he is the great grandson of the Captain (Aurelis) who turned in Brightland... The kid is ambushed by FCON, and they execute him in cold blood right in front of you...
 
The fact you continuously act as if the Exiles are simply a faction that only seeks to harm and destroy the dominion is highly obnoxious.
 
And yet thats what they do (as far as the Dominion quest lines are concerned). Every Zone as a Dominion Player is the Exiles trying to kill you and destroy your villages and homes. Ellevar sees the Mordesh Alchemists poisoning the land and water used by peaceful Dominion villages, Auroria is the Exiles literally burning farmsteads to the ground to steal Dominion secrets / tech and the Black Hoods / Alchemists create a bioterror weapon, test it on innocent farmers, and then unleash it in a peaceful farming community... Whitevale is the Exiles literally unleashing squirg Hell on the planet... etc, etc, etc ...
 
The fact that you believe I'm saying the Exiles are entirely evil and the Dominion is entirely good, rather than showing you that BOTH factions are morally grey with substantially GOOD members and substantially BAD members, and that on each factions questlines the other faction is shown to be extremely vile and terrible is highly obnoxious...
 
B - Is it okay for the Exiles to end the world? No, but they did know the squirg was underneath the ground? Again, no. The Exiles are specifically willing to work even beyond looking past the dominion to ensure the planet doesn't blow up either through Mondo or the crazy experiments of the Eldan or OS-1s (FCON sent the Lancers in to deal with the fire elemental in Kel voreth if the dominion didn't knowing the full risks). 
 
What are you talking about? There were no squirg underground, they MADE the squirg with the Terraformer when they bulloxed it up. Mondo has done some crazy things, but he has never "almost blown up the planet". And speaking of Kel Voreth, it was Toric who stopped the Osun Warmaster... it's one of the best public quests of the game...
 
​Are you suggesting that because the Exiles acted with out knowing the consequences they are not responsible for the repercussions? Idiocy isn't a defence for apocalypse ;) the incompetence of the XAS is 100% responsible for those squirg, just as Victor and the Mordesh are 100% responsible for the Contagion.
 
C- Of course they are citizens, but their job is soldiers who are tasked with dealing the mercs. Naturally the Granoks as Mercenaries would be given jobs to fight and kill the dominion military forces, and under standard military ROE a citizen is classified as a friendly target that has no hostile arms (Which is what I meant with soldiers, please use your common sense). Toric didn't arouse suspicion because of Zin, he aroused suspicion because he kept passing menial tasks to his corporal who got mad at it.
 
The Quest is LITERALLY to follow Toric to see if he is meeting Zin... it's in the quest dialogue... in the quest you find nothing, but there is a journal entrie exposing their very real love affair
 
In fact I am more suspect of the drakken next to Zin considering she has more attachment to her bodyguard than Toric (As seen when you nearly kill him). If the Corporal is willing to suspect his commander for menial tasks (Which is naturally something the lower ranks are supposed to do and not an Officer's job) then why not a lone priest?
 
Kevo is old as Cupcake and is her mentor.... and seriously, it's in the journal entrie... Zin and Toric are a real thing...
 
Because Priests in Ellevar are working alone ALL the time.... seriously, stop ignoring Calledor Antevian's (a priest) huge Ascendency Arc in Ellevar, the priests are there to uncover Eldan relics, and that was the purpose of the Priest negotiating with the Pell.. for access to relics... Caledor goes out on his own all the time... it's not odd, it's what they are there to do
 
 
Yes there are priests outside the town but these are priests with protection, while this priest goes out of the town alone with no due cause (You actually see him standing and giving sermons in the church indicating likely his job was a pastor hence my pell preaching opinion).
 
See above... replay the Ellevar Arc (or do it in full for the first time) he was not preaching to the pell, he was negotiating for eldan artefacts. And priests were out finding relics all over the place... that's what their purpose in Ellevar was....
 
D-  You said only Lex falsified the truth but only for the Luminai. But then there is the Vigilant Church who has actively refused to acknowledge the truth that the Eldans weren't gods but created A God. Throughout the various meetings with the Church you actively see its followers who are completely out of the loop and so rooted in the false worship. One good example is the Ascendancy, where if you read the Enigma reports of Ellevar they knew about them, but when you go to Whitevale nobody knows what the Ascendancy is except for Toric who doesn't bother to tell you or his followers.
 
The Eldan, by all accounts were gods. They could create life, whole worlds, cure virtually any disease or injury, control the weather, and the very forces of nature. In Japan, they would be called Kami (gods). This is all before the Eldan ascended into the Drusentiy, a literal god in EVERY sense of the word (for better and for worse).  YOU ARE WITH TORIC WHEN CALEDOR AUGMENTS HIMSELF AND STARTS THE ASCENDANCY IN ELLEVAR......You, and "people" Know of the Ascendancy, it's a cult... Toric and you go to stop them in whitevale... WTF are you even talking about, because you're either extremely confused or seriously don't know these quest lines..
 
E- No, the Luminai were not needed for Genesis Prime. The Genesis Prime was achieved by combining 6 Eldan each with a massive amount of primal energy then fused together (Hence the Protocol experiments), while the Luminai was an experiment to make the perfect offspring between Human and Eldan in order to build an Empire for the Eldan. The Mechari were created to observe and monitor the worlds outside of Nexus as well as act on behalf of the Eldan who were busy with the Nexus Project.
 
The Luminai project was one of the first steps in the Nexus project... they had to build their technological capabilities through out the project... and it took serious trial and Error before they perfected the hybridization process... That was necessary before they could start infusing Eldan / other sapient beings with pure primal energies to create the primevals, which was necessary before they could successfully hybridize multiple Eldan (6) AND all the primal energies (Fusion) to create the Drusentity (genesis prime)... and ascend to godhood.. which they did. 
 
The goal of Nexus was Drusera, not Luminai or Mechari. Everything the Eldan built and contributed was solely for Genesis prime and being the ever lasting achievement and legacy of their race, being even named after the oldest Eldan God. Tresayne Toria has no claim to Nexus, she was merely used as a tool to create Dominus and then was left to die by the Eldan after her use was over just like the Mechari and Luminai were merely tools and puppet.
 
The Luminai and Mechari were an integral part of the project... Both represent major technological hurdles that had to be met and surpassed before it would be possible to create the genesis prime (aka. Drusentity). The Eldan (as a whole) did not view the Luminai or the Mechari as tools or puppets, only two felt that way. Ohmna, and most other Eldan saw the Mechari as sentient beings in their own right and loved the Luminai as their children.
 
Drusera being the last of the Eldan per say, and being the legacy of the Eldan as well witnessing their final moments is the heir to Nexus. She is literally the living embodiment of the work the Eldan did on the planet, and she is technically most likely the next and last Archon of the Eldan (Jariel never mentions a successor to his position which is quite odd but I'm sure he would have liked Drusera to be the next head).
 
Drusentity IS the Eldan. She is Jariel, Zarkonis, Nazrek, Aviel, Ionis, and Bathior combined and ascended (again, and I stress this, for BETTER and for WORSE). Drusentity isn't the heir to the Eldan, she IS the Eldan. The Luminai and Dominion are the birthright heirs to Nexus, and Drusentity is technically their god, The Eldan ascended as deified by the Vigilant Church.
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