116568-request-to-extend-server-transfers

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I would like to request an extension of the free transfers from PvP to PvE megaservers. After a knee-jerk reaction brought on by an understandable panic wave yesterday, my guild is now one of the last remaining English raiding guilds on the Luminai mega-server. I did not make the call to transfer my guild as three days (five from the original cut-off announcement) was not enough time to move everyone across (vacations, AFKs, the like) and we did not expect the mass exodus to be quite so... massy. As it stands, we are now faced with the prospect of being stuck on a dead server, with no recruitment to combat attrition and no way off.
 
So if there is no change in philosophy regarding balancing the populations, I would like to formally request this extension, or at least the guarantee that we can ticket individuals off.
 
I really do think the life of all remaining Luminai guilds depends on it.
 
I'd also respectfully like to ask that this topic not be locked as 'duplicate' as I don't want this desperate plea to be lost in the back-and-forth that is the "Luminai is dying" thread. It would also be nice if we as a community could not turn this into a debate about what went wrong, whether or not anyone should be forced to move, or similar. The situation is what it is, and I would just like a solution for those guilds that could not move within the window provided, or that left people behind to do so. Luminai is not dying, with more guilds jumping ship last night, it is dead. At least as far as the English community is concerned.	
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			coming from a person who had to sit tight on a dead server until the server merges, i truly do feel for you. i just dont think this is something they will do for you, if anything, they should open pve ->pvp transfers, give people, 3days, and 3 days only to go where they need, then close free transfers and allow paid ones.the only other option i see is put everyone onto the PvE server, but that sounds liek you would have to swallow too much pride in one gulp, i personally dont see the server population a result of people not playing the game, just what aturally happens when people are given a one way highway and want to make sure they have all doors open in the future. but im sure people will see this and scream the typical ded game rhetoric. 	
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Forget it.   You should know by now that there is no mercy.  You have until *looks at watch* 40 minutes to get your guild over to PVE with everyone else or you will be stranded forever.
 
On the bright side since you are the only ones left on that server maybe the Dev gods will be nice enough to rename the server after your guild.  "Stranded"  What!>? you say your guild name isn't Stranded?
 
All well close enough.	
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Carbine took one of the worst decisions ever........again........ you do one good thing and somehow magically you manage to *cupcake* it up.
 
Extend the mega server transfers.... and for the love of everything that is holy  don't take drastic decisions like that at Friday close shop during the weekend and come back again at Monday where everything is already *cupcaked* up. In your attempt to appease Codex and their failed attempt to transfer although they had so many days to do so you destroyed your one and only PvP megaserver....(EU)	
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			Please extend it, this is a ridiculous situation and people "stuck" on Luminai the dead server will end up quitting the game sooner rather than later.	
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			I have to support this since it would help us solve our problem we have atm.	
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			This is already an extension of an extension.	
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This is already an extension of an extension.
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Yes, it would be an extension of an extension. But hopefully you can see beyond your own situation and agree that five days is not enough time for a guild that does not want to leave anyone behind, especially given the chain reaction that occurred over the last two days with guilds deciding last minute to not risk staying and even leaving members behind to do so. Simple fact of the matter is that Codex leaving last minute, coupled with the short notice, the short extension and the definitive stop of transfers to follow that, scared everyone on Luminai into moving, leaving everyone to scramble at the last minute.
 
An extension will hurt no one (we're past that point) and is the easiest solution to the mess some of us find ourselves in now.	
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			I have less sympathy for problems the players created for themselves. 	
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I have less sympathy for problems the players created for themselves. 
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Chua still puzzled why all decided to move to Jabbit.
What Jabbit has that is lacking on Luminai?	
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Had to jump ship last night myself.  The population make it pretty much impossible to stay on Luminai if you have aspirations to run a guild/raid as the player base is so different.
 
We saw an exodus from my previous server and had to wait it out and I wasn't going to get caught again on a server that's suffering.  It's a sorry state of affairs really as I'd prefer to be on a PvP server but sometimes you have to go with the masses to be able to enjoy/play the game!	
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			Some people were always going to be left in the airport. Intelligent human beings are the ones that see that and make the right decision in a timely fashion.	
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Chua still puzzled why all decided to move to Jabbit.
What Jabbit has that is lacking on Luminai?
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There was no rational reason. This is a herd mentality decision we're talking about here. People heard big guilds were leaving, and panicked. Ultimately they cared less about playing on a PvP server than on trying to build their community and give people a reason to stay.
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Come on Carbine! Not everything is listening, you have to understand the situation and act accordingly.
 
Two or more days will give guilds time to warn their mates about their decision.
 
Maybe 50 players are not a big deal, but look it this way, if Luminai has a very low population, people playing there will eventually leave the game.
 
And that will not be only 50 players.	
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The movement from Luminai to Jabbit is just the aftereffect of the past transferring from Hazak to other pvp servers Mr Chua.. What's happening now is panic and if extending the deadline or getting rid of it could smoothe things out then I'm all up for it.
 
Oh and Lemurian, don't be a jerk, it's easy to make a decision for yourself.	
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There was no rational reason. This is a herd mentality decision we're talking about here. People heard big guilds were leaving, and panicked. Ultimately they cared less about playing on a PvP server than on trying to build their community and give people a reason to stay.
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So you're the one that would be leaving their friends behind to follow the masses. You must have lots of friends.
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Chua still puzzled why all decided to move to Jabbit.
What Jabbit has that is lacking on Luminai?
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There is a reason, 80% pop vs 20% pop, you have far less target audience when recruiting.
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The ability to recruit players from both servers. Goes way back to "What does Ascendancy has that is lacking on Hazak?".
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But what about PvP then? 
PvE'ers will unlikely join with PvP guild or in PvP environment in first place.
 
 
 
So if Chua read previous replies and understand correctly, some guilds moved from Hazak to Ascendary.
Now remained of PvP community is in Panic and wants to move too, except some keep dallying about?
 
So Chua see few solutions:
 
Open Pve -> PvP tranfers so all sheeps can come back	
Undo Hazak migrations, "forcing" all those who left with guild back	Merge both servers into one, and create PvP zones.
 
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People started on Hazak as the main PvP server...because they are PvE and PvP focussed.  When members started dropping like flies they couldn't recruit from PvE -> PvP so moved the whole guild to PvE and could cross server recruit.
 
Now that loads of people have gone onto the PvE server it means anyone with any ambition to start or maintain a guild has to move there to allow them to recruit people and if transfers open in future they will be PvP -> PvE only.
 
If Carbine opened PvE -> PvP transfers then this wouldn't be an issue and a lot of the guilds from Hazak would be back on Luminai as they want to do both from what I understand.	
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4. Tell people to grow up and roll an alt.
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Sorry Lem, but Chua not agree with that.
Often main character is something with lots of time invested and has emotional meaning.
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I totally understand that, and agree, but that shouldn't be the guiding star for an extension of an extension for the small remaining group of people who suddenly realized trying to do PvE on a PvP server that doesn't have a committed population is a bad idea. I just don't feel Carbine should have to keep doing extra work for months because some people are slow to realize that (and even though tranfers are automated, we've all seen that there is extra work involved, if something needs to be fixed).
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I totally understand that, and agree, but that shouldn't be the guiding star for an extension of an extension for the small remaining group of people who suddenly realized trying to do PvE on a PvP server that doesn't have a committed population is a bad idea. I just don't feel Carbine should have to keep doing extra work for months because some people are slow to realize that (and even though tranfers are automated, we've all seen that there is extra work involved, if something needs to be fixed).
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But what about PvP then? 
PvE'ers will unlikely join with PvP guild or in PvP environment in first place.
 
 
 
So if Chua read previous replies and understand correctly, some guilds moved from Hazak to Ascendary.
Now remained of PvP community is in Panic and wants to move too, except some keep dallying about?
 
So Chua see few solutions:
 
Open Pve -> PvP tranfers so all sheeps can come back
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They made the decision to make server transfers one directional which forced people to move.  That was the consequence of their action and therefore it is their decision that caused it.
 
They didn't listen to the concerns of those who aired them before doing so and now they are faced with this massive population split.  They may not see it as a problem in which case wont allow server transfers in future and we're stuck where we are but it forced people to move servers, there's no doubt about it.
 
What will be the icing on the cake now is if you've moved a number of characters to Jabbit in order to play the game and they then introduce paid transfers to Luminai and people want to go back to where they originally started (PvP).	
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As I requested in my OP, could we keep this thread clear of blame games? I did not ever expect to type this down, but I have quite literally grown too old to engage in pointless discussions with those who are incapable of empathy. We did not ignore the deadlines, they were pretty much all we talked about for the days leading up to and following the mega-server deployment. The extent to which the snowball effect would go, post-Codex situation, was not clear in the first few days. And in my view, it was not until last night that the Luminai raiding scene completely went awry. And you can say what you will, but five days is not enough to synchronize 50+ people with varying levels of activity and different schedules.
 
The situation is what it is. This thread was not created to discuss who is at fault and why, it was created to ask for a solution for those that experience this as a problem.
 
If you do not agree with something, that is your basic human right, but can we have some level of maturity? Please?	
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But what about PvP then?
PvE'ers will unlikely join with PvP guild or in PvP environment in first place.
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I would love it to have the RIFT system too, paid or unpaid. Even paid for by CREDD.
 
I don't feel so bad about being "stuck" on Luminai, I don't feel "stuck" at all or "abandoned" anymore. Sure it was sad to see all my friends leave, but the ONLY reason they did was in the interest of progression (and as I used to be a pretty hardcore raider in my time, I can understand this perfectly) not because it's the apparent clever thing to do.
 
The people left over, whilst a small amount compared to jabbit, are still playing the game and we're getting on with it :)	
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Olivar, on 20 Oct 2014 - 11:22 AM, said:
Open Pve -> PvP tranfers so all sheeps can come back	
Undo Hazak migrations, "forcing" all those who left with guild back	Merge both servers into one, and create PvP zones
We can agree on those solutions except number 2. Everyone is asking for the same thing you just suggested, only need Carbine response on it. :)
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			yeah extension please, we don't want to be on a dead server.	
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Carbine took one of the worst decisions ever........again........ you do one good thing and somehow magically you manage to *cupcake* it up.
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