106953-petition-to-allow-transfers-between-pve-and-pvp-realms

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I think it's fair at this point with the population slowly going down to allow people to go where they want to. Going from a PvP realm to a PvE one is allowed but the other way around isn't. I think you should revisit the idea considering the fact that you won't do server merges and players are currently falling like flies. Allowing people to go where they want will at least bring a few servers back up population wise rather than sticking the PvE realm people without other options. I believe it's a fair request considering the circumstances.
 
Thanks for taking the time to read this!	
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			please lock this thread, we already told you people no, and I want to sign the pettion to keep carebares off our pvp servers unless they let dommies do it only, free kills for me	
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			No PvE to PvP transfers.  Ever please.  Horrible idea.	
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Yes to this type of transfer!	
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The game is so heavily instanced that there isn't much of a difference between the two.
 
Sure, players not interested in PvP might go around ganking low level players, but for the most part you can quest perfectly peacefully in most zones and see one or two members of the opposite faction throughout an entire zone while leveling.
 
It was much the same when I leveled in PvP on WoW. I got ganked twice and had less than five actual fights on the way up.
 
I've never understood why people on PvP servers act like leveling on PvP is some huge achievement. It hasn't been for almost a decade.	
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I see no reason for it, It's not like the PvP servers on this game are actually brutal. It's an archaic design choice and silly. 
 
Seriously if someone can give 1 valid reason as to why not, not this invisible entitlement reason of it was harder to level etc. I'll back the don't allow this server type of transfer.
 
So please try to come up with a real valid reason why it should not be allowed.	
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I believe it's a fair request considering the circumstances.
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So please try to come up with a real valid reason why it should not be allowed.
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No PvE to PvP transfers.  Ever please.  Horrible idea.
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I see no reason for it, It's not like the PvP servers on this game are actually brutal. It's an archaic design choice and silly. 
 
Seriously if someone can give 1 valid reason as to why not, not this invisible entitlement reason of it was harder to level etc. I'll back the don't allow this server type of transfer.
 
So please try to come up with a real valid reason why it should not be allowed.
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			According to these very forums ( =P ), so long as i play during non peak hours i wont see a soul around even on a pvp server, so essentially its all the same, why not let it happen	
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Sure -- the only reason:
 
Because the player who leveled on the PVE server did not level on the PVP server, and thus did not go through the same dangers as everyone who did level on the PVP server.
 
If you really want to be on a PVP server, roll a character there.
 
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Sure -- the only reason:
 
Because the player who leveled on the PVE server did not level on the PVP server, and thus did not go through the same dangers as everyone who did level on the PVP server.
 
If you really want to be on a PVP server, roll a character there.
 
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			its bascially saying I want to raid, but no I haven't done a single quest/adv/instance in the game ever, why should that matter...	
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			I'm on a pvp server.  Sure come on over man, I'm 100% fine with more players.	
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			It's not like they are asking to transfer from like a softcore to a hardcore server (death killing character)	
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its bascially saying I want to raid, but no I haven't done a single quest/adv/instance in the game ever, why should that matter...
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Stupid statement. There are more raiding guilds on Pergo which is a PvP server than any other realms together. Therefor, you're either stupid or ignorant. It's a valid request since PvP realms aren't harder to level on with the decreasing population. Grow up and quit being a whinny little girl.
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What? You're berating someone who says it shouldn't matter why anyone transfers from one to another one? Did you actually read all he wrote?
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Way to read the whole post. :P
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Haven't you read his first post ? He's the guy that said We told you people no.. blah blah blah
 
I did read all he said. 
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OK. My mistake. It looks like he was meaning what you thought, and not what I thought in his second post too. Sorry about that.
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			Not everyone chose PVE servers to be a carebear. Many of us started up with a guild on a PVE server and then it imploded. Our only options are stay on a PVE server or reroll from scratch. I want to be on a PVP sever, even during leveling, but I'm not starting over for it.	
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Well, ya can't really be like "Here is some ground beef. Make me a Hamburger without the ground beef."
 
He wanted an answer as to why they cannot transfer PVE to PVP, and that's the reason. Just because he didn't want to see that specific answer, doesn't make it any less valid.
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Stop acting like leveling on a PvP server is some kind of accomplishment. I've leveled to 50 on both and there is little difference (unless you go out of your way to find it). Sure you get ganked now and then on the PvP server but it isn't like some kind of OMGBADGE of honor or something.
 
What if someone plays on both but find they like the PvP server more, or makes friends there - they shouldn't be able to bring their other toons over? They should have to start over and go through attunement AGAIN?	
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			The fact that I have to re-level from scratch doesnt bother me at all. The fact that I have to regear and redo the whole attunement process is a pain in my ass that I won't go through again. Simple as that. I've leveled a lot of characters on PvP realms on many different mmos and it's not hard anymore. Vanilla / BC WoW leveling was hardcore on PvP realms, anything after that was a cake walk. No reason to deny us this transfer.	
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			Ya booo... stay off my PvP lawn.  You chose to be on a PvE server, you can't have all the stalkers randomly attacking you while your doing dailies. If you wanted that level of fun you should have rolled PvP in the first place.  Having bad tools 5 v 1 you while you're doing something else is a special privilege you have to earn.  We can't just let anybody in to enjoy that elite level of PvPing.	
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Ya booo... stay off my PvP lawn.  You chose to be on a PvE server, you can't have all the stalkers randomly attacking you while your doing dailies. If you wanted that level of fun you should have rolled PvP in the first place.  Having bad tools 5 v 1 you while you're doing something else is a special privilege you have to earn.  We can't just let anybody in to enjoy that elite level of PvPing.
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Lankybrit, on 08 Aug 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:
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OK. My mistake. It looks like he was meaning what you thought, and not what I thought in his second post too. Sorry about that.
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			If the game were in a competitive decent state I would vehemently disagree with this idea and probably crunch many nerds here for even thinking it. However, the game is in a ditch atm and it really doesn't matter at this point.	
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Fact: I leveled on a PvE server, but further fact I leveled exclusely in BGs, went back and did zones after I out leveled them, so please tell me how I'm not just as hardcore, if not more so of a PvPer than someone that leveled on a PvP server.. in fact I'm likely a better PvPer than some of you. (I'm not saying I'm great, I'm talking semantics,)
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soo.. you did it in instanced pvp, and did not have to deal with any of the dangers of leveling on a pve server while you were questing 1-50. Noted.
 
You're probably 1000x better of a pvper than I am. I am awful. I still went through the leveling process (twice) on Pergo, and it's not too kind. Exiles were pretty ruthless the second time around.I
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So the PvE subset of the PvP servers demand that the servers be opened up for PvE reasons?  Sounds legit.  How does the PvP portion of that community feel about it?  Probably about the same as demanding they reclass the PvP servers as PvE.
 
How about suggesting something a little less fractious like cross-server raid queues and guild chat?	
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			PvP Servers can already transfer to PvE servers. Therefor it should be both ways. I PvP a lot more than probably half the PvP'ers on PvP realms and am prolly a lot better at it too. As stated before, I give zero **** lvling again, but the attunement process and the 1800 gear is long enough to acquire legit that I think it's fair to grant a transfer both ways. I don't think the PvP community has much to worry about, at the end of the day they get more players that are most likely better than most people to pick from when they form PvP RBGs and such.	
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please lock this thread, we already told you people no, and I want to sign the pettion to keep carebares off our pvp servers unless they let dommies do it only, free kills for me
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Sure -- the only reason:
 
Because the player who leveled on the PVE server did not level on the PVP server, and thus did not go through the same dangers as everyone who did level on the PVP server.
 
If you really want to be on a PVP server, roll a character there.
 
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Sure -- the only reason:
 
Because the player who leveled on the PVE server did not level on the PVP server, and thus did not go through the same dangers as everyone who did level on the PVP server.
 
If you really want to be on a PVP server, roll a character there.
 
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Except There is zero danger on a pvp server. I leveled 2 characters to 50 on Widow. I was ganked maybe 3 times on my first character (2 were in one night on Malgrave) and maybe twice on my other character. Most times the dominion helped me kill stuff. There is no penalization for death in this game, no lost levels, no looting corpses. When I was ganked I just leveled through pvp for 30 minutes or so then went back to questing. All the "I'm hardcore cause I r on pvp server" is so laughable.
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Here is a thought, correct me if I am wrong, but arn't rated arenas not cross server? So in theory players on a PvE server could have ether had easier fights in arenas, or win traded more easliy on a PvE server and got 1800 gear to wrek people on PvP servers without having to work for it. That might be a decent reason
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Just to repost this..
 
This is how hardcore pvp on a pvp server is.. Teamwork is key.
 
Keep the pve carebears away so real pvp players can..... All pve together.... hmmm
 
 	
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I also stay permaflagged (I was one of the people fighting to get an RP-PvP server.)  while out in the world, so technically I am in more danger than any of you on a PvP server because I have a Higher risk of someone seeing them having full time to prepare to fight me before they flag.
 
Now mind you I am totally happy with my servers community and you couldn't pay me, to play on that cespool of a community that is Pergo (which is why I am against server merges.). So this doesn't affect me at all. But your arguments are absurd, and you just want to be in a betty special social circle of "Oh I leveled here I'm better" when the person coming from the PvE server could be a bazillion times better player than you in all aspects.
 
Fact: leveling on a PvP server does not make you special or a better player, also PvE server transfers can't now magically unflag while doing dailies so would be subject to all the ganking etc.
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			Also to the whole if you want to play on a pvp server, reroll .. Go get carbine to make their attument account wide so you only have to do it once, then say this	
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Also to the whole if you want to play on a pvp server, reroll .. Go get carbine to make their attument account wide so you only have to do it once, then say this
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there is no PvP attunement, just saying
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I don't think you get the principle of this.
 
You can be the king of pvp, the best player around the world, and yet still be denied to transfer from PvE to PvP.
 
It's not about skill or about "feeling better", it's about fairness.
 
In principle, PvP server are harder to level on then PvE server. It's not always the case, especially in empties server like Wildstar. But you still have one more factor to watch out for.
 
You can't go afk anywhere, you always have to pay attention. You will prolly die and be corpse camped.
 
If a group of player want to camp a zone all day, they can do it.
 
In PvE, it won't happen if you don't want to. Just don't flag if you don't want to have issue. Permaflagging doesn't equal playing on a PvP server. A lot of people on PvE server don't really like PvP, so they won't attack you or won't have much experience.
 
From my personal experience, I played on a PvE server for SWTOR. I became one of the best pvpers and yet I'm pretty average. The caliber is just not the same. Just like raiders are better on PvE then PvP server. To each their strenght.
 
I understand how you feel, and I understand your argments. But I think it wouldn't be fair for PvPers if PvEers could transfer.
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So you saying all these guilds I see on the pvp servers raiding are doing it wrong? That all you should do on a pvp server is pvp every day, any day?
 
Ya go back to your cave cause all I see now from you is a troll
 
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And yes I get what your saying "There is no pvp attnument" but you forget people still pve and pvp servers
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you people said you wanted to do pvp... on a pvp server, why should you care about a pve process?
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Maybe some people want to xfer over to join the many many guilds doing pve over there ?  And could care less about open world Ganking
 
 
All it would be is just free kills for other pvp'ers while they try to do their dailies.
Its like your worried about getting killed by a player from a pve server or something.
 
 
That amazing pve gear works real good in pvp now..... expecially all that gear that is gained from open world pvp... oh nvm.. there is no gain from open world pvp except... having fun doing pvp	
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you people said you wanted to do pvp... on a pvp server, why should you care about a pve process?
 
Edit: and I do PvP everyday, just about as much as I can wile i'm online
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People wanting to go to PvP servers from PvE are trying to get there for Raiding guilds not the server type. :P
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			I know right ? big concept isn't it ? :P	
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you people said you wanted to do pvp... on a pvp server, why should you care about a pve process?
 
Edit: and I do PvP everyday, just about as much as I can wile i'm online
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			its not like you didn't know this was going to happen. PvP servers are normally more popular BECAUSE you can do both. Better yet we should institute a free for all server, no factions except for guilds, you can kill everyone.	
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its not like you didn't know this was going to happen. PvP servers are normally more popular BECAUSE you can do both. Better yet we should institute a free for all server, no factions except for guilds, you can kill everyone.
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You want Archage, have fun. *waves*
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No he wants http://camelotunchained.com/en/ cause ITS 100% pvp cause archage still has pve in it :D
 
Camelot Unchained is a MMORPG built upon three main pillars of gameplay, RvR, crafting and housing. It features a 100% RvR-based leveling track for all combat (non crafter) classes. All leveling comes from engaging in RvR whether by fighting other players, capturing objectives, and/or crafting objects to help in RvR. There will be NPCs (guards, fauna, etc.) but you cannot use them to level your character.
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I also stay permaflagged (I was one of the people fighting to get an RP-PvP server.)  while out in the world, so technically I am in more danger than any of you on a PvP server because I have a Higher risk of someone seeing them having full time to prepare to fight me before they flag.
 
Now mind you I am totally happy with my servers community and you couldn't pay me, to play on that cespool of a community that is Pergo (which is why I am against server merges.). So this doesn't affect me at all. But your arguments are absurd, and you just want to be in a betty special social circle of "Oh I leveled here I'm better" when the person coming from the PvE server could be a bazillion times better player than you in all aspects.
 
Fact: leveling on a PvP server does not make you special or a better player, also PvE server transfers can't now magically unflag while doing dailies so would be subject to all the ganking etc.
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Leveling on several PvP servers throughout my long care of playing MMO's leveling on a PvP server is not some giant accomplishment. It is not much harder, and if you have any experience in them you know how to avoid being ganked.
 
So stop kidding yourselves you've done nothing fantastic by leveling on a PvP server, that you deserve to be in an exclusive club.
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No one ever said that they were better because they leveled on a PVP server, not even sure where you're pulling that from.
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I'm better
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW9NqCHRc38
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			Game is dying, yet they continue to have restrictions on realm transfers like this and charge £12 to transfer in the first place. Almost all realms except the main PvP ones are low population throughout the entire day. Carbine need to accept their game is in a terrible state right now and allow freedom of character movement to try and help the player base gather on the main realms. They also need to make this free, even if it's for a set period of time because not everyone wants to pay a ridiculous £12 to transfer realms.	
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No he wants http://camelotunchained.com/en/ cause ITS 100% pvp cause archage still has pve in it :D
 
Camelot Unchained is a MMORPG built upon three main pillars of gameplay, RvR, crafting and housing. It features a 100% RvR-based leveling track for all combat (non crafter) classes. All leveling comes from engaging in RvR whether by fighting other players, capturing objectives, and/or crafting objects to help in RvR. There will be NPCs (guards, fauna, etc.) but you cannot use them to level your character.
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That actually does seem better than ArcheAge.
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I've said that before and I"m going to say it again. What difference would it make if new players from PvE servers joined the ranks of a PvP one?
 
More players to play with, more recruits for guilds, more players to feed the economy and the AH... oh yeah, definitely a bad thing. And the whole "you've got to earn it" argument.. Give me a break. Like it is some impossible mission to level on a PvP server, so hard only an elite can survive it. Don’t make it sound like what it’s not. Definitely a bit more difficult, often takes more time, but that’s about it.
 
And "fairness" now? What fairness? How is it unfair to the players who started on a PvP server? What do they lose in the process? How are they negatively impacted? How is it hard on them? How does it hurt them? The only thing that is bothering a few PvP players here is their inflated egos that make them believe they belong to some kind of deserving upper class private club.
 
New players want to join your server and make it more populated ? You should be happy about it. 	
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I've said that before and I"m going to say it again. What difference would it make if new players from PvE servers joined the ranks of a PvP one?
 
More players to play with, more recruits for guilds, more players to feed the economy and the AH... oh yeah, definitely a bad thing. And the whole "you've got to earn it" argument.. Give me a break. Like it is some impossible mission to level on a PvP server, so hard only an elite can survive it. Don’t make it sound like what it’s not. Definitely a bit more difficult, often takes more time, but that’s about it.
 
And "fairness" now? What fairness? How is it unfair to the players who started on a PvP server? What do they lose in the process? How are they negatively impacted? How is it hard on them? How does it hurt them? The only thing that is bothering a few PvP players here is their inflated egos that make them believe they belong to some kind of deserving upper class private club.
 
New players wnat to join your server and make it more populated ? You should be happy about it. 
 
Amen to that.
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			I think this is a bad idea. You want to gear yourself on a pve server then transfer to a pvp server to grief someone else while you didn't suffer the same grief in leveling yourself? Its like being a top predator in your own habitat and one day a bunch of fat housecats transfer in and proclaim themselves the new top predators. You have to be a real cupcake to even think this is fair and want to advantage yourself over others in this way.	
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Lol - this thread reminds me of this little bridge in TERA...
Though ganking lowbies doesn't happen quite like this is WS  (Lumbertown was the very first area after the starting zone -- so level 10s would need to get past these 'outlaws' who can 1 shot them just to get back into town), I can imagine the uproar if Carbine allows it.  Not that I'd object - I'd actually love it if they allow it to happen.  
 
And Scott is right about one thing - it actually IS more dangerous to be a permaflagged person on a PvE server.  The reason is this, from a stalker perspective:  I'm out doing dailies, I see someone via The Zone that is PvP flagged.  Out of the sea of non-flagged people, this person sticks out like a big 'come attack me' star.  Not only that, it is less likely there will be others willing to flag themselves and help you defeat anyone that attacks you.  Not only are they unlikely to have a set of PvP gear on them to switch to, or be running a PvP AMP and LAS set, they also probably just will be afraid to.  So, at least in my opinion, for any non-stalkers out there I think it is quite dangerous to be permaflagged on a PvE server vs. just being on a PvP server.
 
However, just from watching the Nexus reports, the devs don't seem to be the type of people who would really condone a PvE to PvP move...because I think they'd say that such a thing just isn't 'hardcore' :P	
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I think this is a bad idea. You want to gear yourself on a pve server then transfer to a pvp server to grief someone else while you didn't suffer the same grief in leveling yourself? Its like being a top predator in your own habitat and one day a bunch of fat housecats transfer in and proclaim themselves the new top predators. You have to be a real cupcake to even think this is fair and want to advantage yourself over others in this way.
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			+1! Want to move to pvp realm, buy an arena carry, then move on back to my pve server right after. This is only way that I will ever get a shot at 1500+ gear. Getting mighty sick of being a free kill to 1500-1800s, let me tell you and I am more than willing to pay cold hard cash to improve that.	
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I think this is a bad idea. You want to gear yourself on a pve server then transfer to a pvp server to grief someone else while you didn't suffer the same grief in leveling yourself? Its like being a top predator in your own habitat and one day a bunch of fat housecats transfer in and proclaim themselves the new top predators. You have to be a real cupcake to even think this is fair and want to advantage yourself over others in this way.
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			I'm on a pvp server. I don't care that I had to level in a pvp environment and they didn't (grow up). I see no reason not to let these transfers happen. Signed.	
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			Don't care either way myself but when the devs are facing layoffs and need new revenue streams expect to see it.	
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Well I finished this journey to level from 1-50 on a PvP server, Pergo, and it's a damn joke.. there's no achievement in leveling there at all.. First 50 I have took 2 days and 18 hours played time. Other took about 2 days ( 4 50's total) and this one was even faster, by a large margin and he's the only one on a PvP realm..
 
 
So your argument about this being harder is completely invalid. Now give us the damn transfers already. KKThx	
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Funny, I just re-rolled on Pergo - Dom as well (because I couldn't transfer from Avatus) and got ganked a total of 1 time.
 
Once.
 
Such danger.
Many death.
 
 
Seriously though - Let us transfer. All of the "PvP danger" is in the daily quest zones or BGs or Arenas. Let me bring my 50 engi and esper over pretty please!	
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