100206-why-im-probably-going-to-quit-before-reaching-level-4

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So far the game seems cool, but, the amount of complaints on the forum is definitely a concern.  I'm on the 7-day trial right now and I should be playing your game and enjoying myself. Instead I'm here writing this post and I will explain why.
 
The overwhelming amount of negativity and complaints on the forum combined with the amount of 'outstanding issues' for the class I chose is really offputting. I'm sure I could go through the first 15 levels of the trial and have a great time, but I do not want to.  I do not want to enjoy your product for seven days only to come back to the forum 30 days later to join the critics in complaining. Even if the game is intially fun, I don't want to start playing an MMO that I will have to abandon due to a myriad of issues.
 
I don't know the circumstance of issues that caused the community to change. What was once a positive and enthusiastic group of players is no more. Now the amount of negativity and vitriol is greatly concerning to a new player.
 
I have never seen a playerbase turn on a game and its developers so quickly.  Unless I'm mistaken and people were really upset from the beginning. Though that hardly makes a difference when it comes to buying into your game.
 
It's too bad because Science Fiction is right up my alley.  Poor support, broken features, and an apparent rise in difficulty for newcomers compared to early adopters has lead me to abandon this game despite a desire to play it. There is just too much written on the wall.
 
I'd check back in a few months, but, I doubt I'll even care at that point.
 
 	
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Chua confused.
Is ranting about class which got to level 4....
Chua going to take huge guess and is playing Esper?	
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Chua confused.
Is ranting about class which got to level 4....
Chua going to take huge guess and is playing Esper?
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Uh so you care too much what others think?
You gotta remember, a majority of the game population don't even know these forums exist. 
*shakes head* Silly OP...	
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No, I heard they were broken before I started the game, lol.  I'm playing an Engineer which works fine now, but, looking at the class forums the 'outstanding issues' thread has approximately 15 items in it. A number of which have been listed for a couple of months. It just gives the impression that there is a lot of other stuff that isn't working.
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I don't think he's having any issues yet.
 
Sounds like the forums are just giving him a bad vibe, that seeing such a big list of known issues is also eroding his faith in the devs.
 
I get it, I was loving the game but it was getting to be such a chore... And everytime there's a patch that seems to be fixing nothing is pushed that then breaks quests and other things the more I just wonder what the hell.
 
He's getting ready to spend dozens of hours leveling, and at least $60 on this game he just wants some reassurances that things aren't going to fall apart as soon as he gets invested.
 
I for one am not the one who can convince him... There is a fun game under there somewhere but I'm just not sure whether I think it's worth digging through all the crap for anymore.	
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In case you're wondering OP, the reason you are reading about players having issues is because Carbine actively asks for us to share them so they can be fixed. They aren't squelching players from letting them know what needs to be improved. Am MMO is a living thing that will always continue to experience a pendulum between broken and balanced and WildStar is no exception. Show me an MMO where players aren't encouraged to post about their class issues and I'll show you an MMO that is dying or already dead.
 
I would also encourage the OP to filter out hyperbole and generic rants and look for specific issues before buying into what a poster is saying about a specific class. Continuing a constructive dialogue is what helps make changes happen more easily. 	
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Okay Chua confused now.
Engineer is most easy class to play at moment. 
Chua took Esper cause wanted to see what trouble was about and blasted to level 10 in 1h, 30minutes.
 
What "issues" is Human having with Engineer?
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So far the game seems cool, but, the amount of complaints on the forum is definitely a concern.  I'm on the 7-day trial right now and I should be playing your game and enjoying myself. Instead I'm here writing this post and I will explain why.
 
The overwhelming amount of negativity and complaints on the forum combined with the amount of 'outstanding issues' for the class I chose is really offputting. I'm sure I could go through the first 15 levels of the trial and have a great time, but I do not want to.  I do not want to enjoy your product for seven days only to come back to the forum 30 days later to join the critics in complaining. Even if the game is intially fun, I don't want to start playing an MMO that I will have to abandon due to a myriad of issues.
 
I don't know the circumstance of issues that caused the community to change. What was once a positive and enthusiastic group of players is no more. Now the amount of negativity and vitriol is greatly concerning to a new player.
 
I have never seen a playerbase turn on a game and its developers so quickly.  Unless I'm mistaken and people were really upset from the beginning. Though that hardly makes a difference when it comes to buying into your game.
 
It's too bad because Science Fiction is right up my alley.  Poor support, broken features, and an apparent rise in difficulty for newcomers compared to early adopters has lead me to abandon this game despite a desire to play it. There is just too much written on the wall.
 
I'd check back in a few months, but, I doubt I'll even care at that point.
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I'm not having any issues at the moment everything is fine for me.  I'm just concerned about investing the time/effort/money into this game because of the negativity I've seen here and on reddit.
 
Also a little bit irritated about the increased rarity of epics that recently was introduced thus putting me even farther behind the curve.
 
Is this much ado about nothing?
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Also a little bit irritated about the increased rarity of epics that recently was introduced thus putting me even farther behind the curve.
 
 
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Thanks for all the replies, it is good to hear the various perspectives.  I think I will continue my journey through the 7-day trial and by then I think I'll know whether or not this game is right for me.
 
Even after writing that, I have second thoughts, lol.  It's like my brain keeps flip-flopping between getting sucked into the game or running in the opposite direction as fast as I can!
 
I bet if I swallow some pills I won't even be bothered by the issues! Yes! Indeed, drugs are the answer! Thank you for showing me the light!
 
Seriously though, I'm gonna continue the trial right after I get a glass of water...	
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Thanks for all the replies, it is good to hear the various perspectives.  I think I will continue my journey through the 7-day trial and by then I think I'll know whether or not this game is right for me.
 
Even after writing that, I have second thoughts, lol.  It's like my brain keeps flip-flopping between getting sucked into the game or running in the opposite direction as fast as I can!
 
I bet if I swallow some pills I won't even be bothered by the issues! Yes! Indeed, drugs are the answer! Thank you for showing me the light!
 
Seriously though, I'm gonna continue the trial right after I get a glass of water...
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Ok this is really...
 
You're going to base your decision on whether to buy a game which you enjoy playing right now based on a minority of the players complaining?
 
The players complaining on this forum are a minority.  I've played every class and the only one I've found even a bit hard was the esper and only because the esper must remain in position to cast.  The only one of my circle that has complained about the game is the one playing the esper.  Everyone else I know is having a blast.  In fact, I just gave a trial (thanks to another player) to a friend.  He and his wife and daughter are now playing the game because they enjoyed it so much and they were WOW players.
 
This game is an 8.5 in my opinion, and a 10+ for housing.  I'm having a blast.	
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Bad idea taking what the forums say to heart, the games not in a bad state and classes are in a state of flux. Just like in real life if someone is having a hard time with something they either do one of two things: complain and make a big deal out of something and NOT learn how to overcome said problem. Or overcome it and move forward. The most vocal usually choose option one which is why society expects the worst in people.
 
so rather than troll the forum and make decisions off of it play the game and make your own choices. (if it is espers you are worried about they are getting some huge changes in the next while, aka goodbye turret mode)	
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Ok this is really...not very intelligent.
 
You're going to base your decision on whether to buy a game which you enjoy playing right now based on a minority of the players complaining?
 
The players complaining on this forum are a minority.  I've played every class and the only one I've found even a bit hard was the esper and only because the esper must remain in position to cast.  The only one of my circle that has complained about the game is the one playing the esper.  Everyone else I know is having a blast.  In fact, I just gave a trial (thanks to another player) to a friend.  He and his wife and daughter are now playing the game because they enjoyed it so much and they were WOW players.
 
So either this is a troll post or you allow others to think for you or you lack the ability to decipher when people are moaning over nothing ie trolling.
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That is the entire reason for this post! It is an attempt to try and detect whether the naysayers were the majority or the minority.
 
It seems clear so far based on the replies that they are the minority. The only negative reply was not even totally negative.  Alas, I shall continue on my journey.
 
Will check the thread out later, but, I'm going to log in now.
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I have never seen a playerbase turn on a game and its developers so quickly.  
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			General forums breed negativity no matter what game you play...try the other parts of these forums you will surprised how happy and how much fun people are having....the games great, just stop looking a naysayers.	
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I've seen it quite a lot.
 
Not just in MMO's either.
 
One of my wifes friends has just started a small indie developer to make an MMO. I told him that no matter what he does ... do not make a forum for it. 
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Welcome to MMOs, where everything is awful, every class is gimped (unless you're PvPing against them), and there's never, ever, anything to do.
 
Until a few years go by. Then this will be described as the 'golden age', when 'vanilla (game name)' was around, and everything was perfect.	
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You're going to base your decision on whether to buy a game which you enjoy playing right now based on a minority of the players complaining?
 
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That is the entire reason for this post! It is an attempt to try and detect whether the naysayers were the majority or the minority.
 
It seems clear so far based on the replies that they are the minority. The only negative reply was not even totally negative.  Alas, I shall continue on my journey.
 
Will check the thread out later, but, I'm going to log in now.
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			I'm still trying to figure out what the heck I'm obviously doing wrong with an Engineer at 30... Yeah, my bots try to get me killed, but other than that...	
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I'm still trying to figure out what the heck I'm obviously doing wrong with an Engineer at 30... Yeah, my bots try to get me killed, but other than that...
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Okay Chua confused now.
Engineer is most easy class to play at moment. 
Chua took Esper cause wanted to see what trouble was about and blasted to level 10 in 1h, 30minutes.
 
What "issues" is Human having with Engineer?
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Ehh..Engineer are the easiest class to play? have you tried using Bolt Caster in a pvp environment?  I'd go so far to say it's one of, if not the most difficult class to play.
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How does a Spellslinger compare to the Engineer?  Since I'm still at lvl 3, might be good to change now.
 
I heard stalkers are great, but, I really love killing stuff from far away.	
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How does a Spellslinger compare to the Engineer?  Since I'm still at lvl 3, might be good to change now.
 
I heard stalkers are great, but, I really love killing stuff from far away.
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Just wanna chip in for justice:
 
Even though there are inevitably a lot of things to complain about, as with all other mmos and certainly this early after launch, it's still the best mmo I've played since I first started playing WoW almost 10 years ago. The beginner zones does not give the game justice, keep playing a bit and see for yourself. Even if certain things aren't perfect, the only way things can ever improve is if we give constructive feedback. 
 
Also like mentioned, the people who actually just enjoy this game doesn't bother about the forums right now, those who do not enjoy the game certainly do.	
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I'm not having any issues at the moment everything is fine for me.  I'm just concerned about investing the time/effort/money into this game because of the negativity I've seen here and on reddit.
 
Also a little bit irritated about the increased rarity of epics that recently was introduced thus putting me even farther behind the curve.
 
Is this much ado about nothing?
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			I have a level 50 Engineer and have enjoyed this class immensely, from early game to where I am now. Yes, my bots do often aggro everything within a 50 mile radius in an attempt to get me killed, heh, but otherwise I like this class a lot for PvE. Your mileage may vary, though.	
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I have a level 50 Engineer and have enjoyed this class immensely, from early game to where I am now. Yes, my bots do often aggro everything within a 50 mile radius in an attempt to get me killed, heh, but otherwise I like this class a lot for PvE. Your mileage may vary, though.
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			Don't make the mistake of listening to the dribble that is on the forums, the people whining about the game are in the minority. I picked this game up shortly after release and i am still enjoying it.	
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Sweet, I'm continuing to play the engineer and I think that is what I'll go with.
 
I did pick Spellslinger initially, but, deleted it and changed to engineer.
 
It's funny because upon picking Spellslinger I was concerned that I might have a hard time grouping due to the potential popularity of it.
 
Something about the descriptive text made me think that.	
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So far the game seems cool, but, the amount of complaints on the forum is definitely a concern.  I'm on the 7-day trial right now and I should be playing your game and enjoying myself. Instead I'm here writing this post and I will explain why.
 
The overwhelming amount of negativity and complaints on the forum combined with the amount of 'outstanding issues' for the class I chose is really offputting. I'm sure I could go through the first 15 levels of the trial and have a great time, but I do not want to.  I do not want to enjoy your product for seven days only to come back to the forum 30 days later to join the critics in complaining. Even if the game is intially fun, I don't want to start playing an MMO that I will have to abandon due to a myriad of issues.
 
I don't know the circumstance of issues that caused the community to change. What was once a positive and enthusiastic group of players is no more. Now the amount of negativity and vitriol is greatly concerning to a new player.
 
I have never seen a playerbase turn on a game and its developers so quickly.  Unless I'm mistaken and people were really upset from the beginning. Though that hardly makes a difference when it comes to buying into your game.
 
It's too bad because Science Fiction is right up my alley.  Poor support, broken features, and an apparent rise in difficulty for newcomers compared to early adopters has lead me to abandon this game despite a desire to play it. There is just too much written on the wall.
 
I'd check back in a few months, but, I doubt I'll even care at that point.
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Sweet, I'm continuing to play the engineer and I think that is what I'll go with.
 
I did pick Spellslinger initially, but, deleted it and changed to engineer.
 
It's funny because upon picking Spellslinger I was concerned that I might have a hard time grouping due to the potential popularity of it.
 
Something about the descriptive text made me think that.
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@OP
 
 
 
 
There’s a minority of people determined to make these forums as toxic as possible. Just play the game and make your own decisions. :)	
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I have never seen a playerbase turn on a game and its developers so quickly.
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OP, I will give you my honest opinion.
I love the game but it has so many bugs and imbalances and other major problems I wouldnt rec to a friend just yet. A few things that make me say now are the horrible customer service. I have opened multiple tickets and after a day or two i will get an email generic (we are fixing it) BS. I have lost 3 items to bugs and have gotten the same response as always. "Later we will do something". I have yet to have any of my issues solved by this customer service. Its very unprofessional. Second, bot bot bots. If you plan to pvp get used to pvping with 50% bots on either side. Most of the BGs ive been doing end 0-5 or 5-0 usually the losing team will have 4 bots standing around on D. So you will either get an easy win with no good fights or a quick loss because ur team has more bots. Next, if you plan to be Melee have fun being rooted or knocked down from 40 meters away. 
    And most importantly I invited my friend to join me, he purchased the game. Day one he hit lvl 4 on his warrior and was hacked. Yes. A low lvl account is still a target. So he quit and I doubt I will be able to convince him to come back. Nor would i recommend it at this point because of the above. It is a fun game and has a lot of potential. But it can become very frustrating trying to enjoy the game and deal with all the bugs. I mean I lost a costume piece to their buggy costume stylist and they still didnt replace it. 
   As for all the complaints a lot of them have good points. The pvp gear rating,rating boosting are real problems. I havent had issues with the populations but if they dont fix stuff it will be. Ive literally watch 5 separate friends quit in the first month. So I can only speak from experience, I am the last of my group of friends.   	
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Chua will make reallllllll clear to Human.
 
 
DO NOT READ FORUM!
Chua science shown, much much much hyperbole present on forum.
If having fun in game, why care what forum spouts?
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@ op. Really, just try to ignore the official forums.
 
In Beta, everyone was involved and loved the game, now @ release you get a lot of entitled customers that feel everything should be fixed 100% before launch (wich for an MMO is just not realistic). And you have new people who do not know the game and jump into a game that really is just not for them and they start complaining.
 
On the forums you only find the vocal minority of the players. People who enjoy the game are playing it :D
I'm only ever on the forums, when i'm @ work for instance ^^	
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Chua show awesomeness of spellslinger:
 
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Yes, but the thing is...
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Personally, I don't think you should worry too much.
At the end of the day, if YOU like the game then play it. You may not agree with the negative feedback, you might find something else you really dislike, you won't know until you've actually played. ;) 
The forums are a great place for feedback, they provide us a sentimental aspect to in-game metrics so we can say "Players aren't enjoying X. The data shows they aren't completing Y and they're posting Z on the froums." HOWEVER, and I don't say this to diminish the valid, constructive concerns posted here, the official forums do only represent a very small percentage of the active player base and official forums will *always* be the most negative (well, except for maybe 4chan).
 
Most people who are enjoying the game are too busy playing it, those who are unhappy will take to social media, Reddit and the forums to tell us what they are not enjoying. It's just how it works.
 
So yeah, play through till your free trial runs out. If you enjoy the game, pick it up and give it a month, see how that goes. If you don't enjoy, that's totally fine too. But make sure you decide whether or not to play based on YOUR experience and nobody elses.	
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So far the game seems cool, but, the amount of complaints on the forum is definitely a concern.  I'm on the 7-day trial right now and I should be playing your game and enjoying myself. Instead I'm here writing this post and I will explain why.
 
The overwhelming amount of negativity and complaints on the forum combined with the amount of 'outstanding issues' for the class I chose is really offputting. I'm sure I could go through the first 15 levels of the trial and have a great time, but I do not want to.  I do not want to enjoy your product for seven days only to come back to the forum 30 days later to join the critics in complaining. Even if the game is intially fun, I don't want to start playing an MMO that I will have to abandon due to a myriad of issues.
 
I don't know the circumstance of issues that caused the community to change. What was once a positive and enthusiastic group of players is no more. Now the amount of negativity and vitriol is greatly concerning to a new player.
 
I have never seen a playerbase turn on a game and its developers so quickly.  Unless I'm mistaken and people were really upset from the beginning. Though that hardly makes a difference when it comes to buying into your game.
 
It's too bad because Science Fiction is right up my alley.  Poor support, broken features, and an apparent rise in difficulty for newcomers compared to early adopters has lead me to abandon this game despite a desire to play it. There is just too much written on the wall.
 
I'd check back in a few months, but, I doubt I'll even care at that point.
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I recommend strongly against buying this game, coming from a lvl 50 who loves PvP.
 
Pros: Combat is enjoyable.
 
Negative: Everything else.
 
This game still feels like it is in beta and is not worth paying $60 plus a sub free, If i could go back I would of never of bought it in its current state, that said it has potential but I would wait at LEAST 3-5 months more before buying the game.
 
 
tl;dr: DO NOT BUY THE GAME too many issues, feels like beta.. come back in 3-5 months	
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So far the game seems cool, but, the amount of complaints on the forum is definitely a concern.  
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I recommend strongly buying this game, coming from a lvl 50 who loves PvP and didnt ask Carbine to nerf all the classes except mine. 
 
Negative : The general forums.
 
Pros : everything else.	
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Buy the game, its great fun. If you want to take my advice, that is. Your tastes might be different.
 
As to all the forum complaints: All the stuff brought up, in game it really isn't a big deal. I think I've steered clear of a few broken things while playing, but right now I can't remember what it was. But there's still A TON of content that works perfectly fine and is very enjoyable.	
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You've never seen a playerbase turn on game developers? Guess you haven't played any games in the last couple of decades then.
 
It happens like clockwork. People lose their *cupcake* minds the moment they pull out the credit card.	
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The forums represent a tiny fraction of a fraction of the player base. 
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			I havent posted on forums lately because im having fun playing the game.If you enjoy it, Have fun!:)	
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			Its a great game OP. If you're a somewhat skilled player, the game is even better. Best game for casuals as well so far imo (Not noobish casuals obviously).	
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Believe it or not, quite a lot of my friends quit this game after a couple of levels. Their complaints were that it looks like WoW and the graphics don't justify the system requirements. Also the games feels so...rushed and unpolished. The questing is just incredibly unloving, tedious and boring and it doesn't get better later on. The performance is still rather bad and there are fps drops over and over again. Then there's the gazilion of bugs and quite a bunch of them persist since beta. The grouping experience is still terrible, since progress isn't always shared and it's extremely difficult to find teammates once they left the line of sight, especially if you didn't install any addons. You also have to be careful what haircuts und facial hair options you combine when creating a Draken because even the basic character creation has some clipping issues...and they get worse later on when your shoulder armor starts hovering above your body, swords clip into your face and hover-shoulders, your horns and ears (especially the Esper helmets on Chua look ridiculous). And you still can't whisper back immediately without typing /r over and over again...
 
 
What alarmed me the most is that Carbine tried to be different, at least they created that impression in their DevSpeak, interviews etc, yet still repeated all the mistakes that the previous MMO corpses in WoW's wake did. Their inability to learn from the failures of their competitors is astounding.
 
I'm not sure whether I can recommend you this game. While the endgame PvE is challenging and fun (dungeons and raids that is) the adventures are inhumanely boring, tedious and quite often bugged. Also the fact that Carbine basically was lazy enough to recycle 2 tiny starting maps and present us them as the shiny new daily grind zones is...not a good sign. There's also so insanely much grind involved it's unreal. You have to grind gold, grind gear, grind attunements, grind this, grind that. It's just too much. I'd rather have content gated behind difficulty and challenge instead of repetition of the same old same old, but maybe that's just me.
 
PvP on the other hand...don't even try unless you do it for shits&giggles. You will get stomped by people in 1800 rating epics over and over again and there's nothing you can do, since Carbine decided that gating decent gear behind high rating is genius and totally didn't fail in "the other game". Also judging by the patchnote-preview the upcoming PvP changes actually don't change all that much, either.
 
However, don't dismiss this game because of what people here in the forums say. I'd suggest you take your time to explore as much of the game as you can during your trial and let your own impressions shape your opinion. The game isn't as bad as people say, but it has severe issues that in my opinion are a no-go in 2014 and I'm not sure whether this game is worth a subscription. I'm currently paying with CREDD and I would not have paid another subscription fee for this game, which isn't a good sign, tbh. But hey, go check out the game and see for yourself whether you're happy on WildStar, or not. And welcome on Nexus, cupcake. If there is one thing on your to do list that you absolutely have to do before your trial runs out, then that is a dungeon. Enjoy!	
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			I must be from a different generation than the Op, because I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the concept of basing a purchase on public forum opinion rather than just using a free demo.	
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MMO forums are typically very negative for the first few months.  Then after that they become only slightly less negative.  Most people who like the game are playing it.  Those who aren't will spend time complaining on the forums.
 
I don't post much here because of that.  I am ingame having fun with lots of other people.  MMO forums are usually best off being avoided.	
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If you read the class forums you will quickly come to the conclusion that every class is completely broken.  Class forums are like that for every online game I've ever played.  Take everyone on the forums with a grain of salt.  Forums as a whole can easily come across as negative simply because most people will post negative experiences but not positive ones.  When the game rocks, you don't log into the forums to post about it...you keep playing.  Add in the fact that anyone seen making positive posts gets tagged as a "white knight", and is mocked until they either make a fool of themselves by responding to being provoked or stop posting in the thread.
 
Again, this is generalizing based on every online game official forum I've been to.  I'm not calling any favorites here.  If you're more worried about the forums than your actual game experience to determine whether or not you play the game, you're never going to buy another MMO again.	
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You're going to base your decision on whether to buy a game which you enjoy playing right now based on a minority of the players complaining?
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This forum does not represent my experience at all in the game.
 
I read it because I'm bored when I can't play and sometimes I find good info.
 
But I'm having a blast. Even if I was bored now, just doing my first level 20 dungeon was worth the money I paid for this game.
 
Regarding people's complaining about the epcis- short version is this: Carbine intended for epics to be rare and mostly only for raiders. They underestimated how easily people would be able to get them in adventures, so they nerfed the drop rate. People complained because something that was readily available was taken away.
 
You aren't behind the curve, though. The epics from Adventures are not necessary for any content in this game and it's easy to gear up without them.	
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			Judging a games quality based on the posts on official forums is like judging a towns standard of living based on what the homeless tell you. This is the same for any game, MMOs especially. Forums end up being full of negativity because most people with negative things to say want to be heard, whilst those with only positive things to say don't bother saying them because they're spending their time playing.	
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I don't know the circumstance of issues that caused the community to change. What was once a positive and enthusiastic group of players is no more. Now the amount of negativity and vitriol is greatly concerning to a new player.
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Don't get us wrong, the game is amazing.
However it does have its downsides.
1.) Some classes are not up to par dps wise as the others. (Medics and Espers).
2.) Some of the end-game content has in a way brickwalled players from getting the best loot. Or BiS(Best in Slot). Unfortunately some purples were a lot better then crafted. You can msotly run crafted gear.
3.) PvP is broken as hell, boosters running up to 1800 rating then dominating BGs/Arenas. Or tankers, tankign their score to dominate the 1200s.
4.) Itemization is shitty. You have 6 different classes, all use different stats. So here is where the RNG layers come in.
   a. RNG to get an item for your class/armor type
   b. RNG to get stats on said items
   c. RNG to get good runes
   d. RNG to roll better then the other players on your team.
as you can see it sucks right now.
 
It is a great game, but the devs are tkaing it the wrong direction.
 
RNG(Random Number Generator) aka, dice rolls.
 
Also endgame content becomes a chore eventually.	
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I think there is validity in looking at social media and a game's forums to get a general idea, but you need to be incredibly critical. There are plenty of valid issues that have been highlighted through the forums, even stuff that Devs acknowledge (RE: Medal change, which err.. yeah), but a lot of it is articulated terribly/negatively. 
Ultimately it will depend on what you want to get out of the game. The following is based on my perspective, as someone that doesn't fit into the casual or hardcore label, and can't commit to raiding.For the first 4 or so weeks I played 5-6 hours a day and loved every minute of it, even when it felt a little grindy. The zones were beautiful and path missions were a great mix up between open world quests. Adventures were fresh and it was a blast to play around with the different routes(although people tend to run the same path). Dungeons were amazing. The difficulty difference between Wildstar and other modern MMOs alone had me frothing at the mouth, and since I'm somewhat patient, it didn't bother me getting stuck in one dungeon for 4 hours as people adjusted and learnt the encounters. Even in the open world you couldn't just tunnel vision and had to be active; it was fantastic.My grievances really didn't start until after 50, where my daily play time began to devolve into 2 hours of daily quests (yay Esper dps), a couple of long and (generally) unrewarding Adventures/Dungeons I had done during the leveling process, and a bit of shallow crafting here and there. I didn't really get into housing, but even that needs you to get out and earn some coin to support. As I said, I don't fall under the 'hardcore' category, so my play style doesn't line up with the hit endless content to do better in raids, and I'm not casual, as I spend more than 1-2hours a day playing games.
 
TL:DR Zero complaints for level 1-50, thoroughly enjoyed it. Post 50 things become a little tedious if you aren't playing casually or committing to 'hardcore' raiding. Overall I think it is a great experience regardless, and I definitely got my moneys worth even if I do end up cancelling my subscription soon.
 
I think a lot of the players having issues or finding themselves bored with the current content post 50 are those that fall somewhere between the casual and hardcore category, as their 'needs' differ from both of them. I believe these need revolve more around social/player driven experiences, and am likely to jump on Evindra (sp?) to mix up in the RP crowd and see if it improves my experience. Obviously this is my perspective, and won't apply to every player that fits between the lines, but from what I've been reading, this doesn't seem to be uncommon either.	
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So far the game seems cool, but, the amount of complaints on the forum is definitely a concern.  I'm on the 7-day trial right now and I should be playing your game and enjoying myself. Instead I'm here writing this post and I will explain why.
 
So go play it and don't listen to the vocal minority that likes to complain here. Form your own opinion, not one echoed by others.
 
The overwhelming amount of negativity and complaints on the forum combined with the amount of 'outstanding issues' for the class I chose is really offputting. I'm sure I could go through the first 15 levels of the trial and have a great time, but I do not want to.  I do not want to enjoy your product for seven days only to come back to the forum 30 days later to join the critics in complaining. Even if the game is intially fun, I don't want to start playing an MMO that I will have to abandon due to a myriad of issues.
 
Outstanding issues with classes? We've started clearing Veteran Stormtalon with all classes (even DPS Medics). Class balances and teaks are an ongoing thing. Look at WoW. Almost 11 years and they are still making more than tweaks to classes on a weekly basis. Play a class that you like the feel of and you'll enjoy yourself, regardless if there's minor issues with it.
 
I don't know the circumstance of issues that caused the community to change. What was once a positive and enthusiastic group of players is no more. Now the amount of negativity and vitriol is greatly concerning to a new player.
 
If you spend time reading the general forums, yes. Go to any of the class forums or, in game, and people tend to be very helpful.
 
I have never seen a playerbase turn on a game and its developers so quickly.  Unless I'm mistaken and people were really upset from the beginning. Though that hardly makes a difference when it comes to buying into your game.
 
Have you heard of a game called Elder Scrolls Online?
 
It's too bad because Science Fiction is right up my alley.  Poor support, broken features, and an apparent rise in difficulty for newcomers compared to early adopters has lead me to abandon this game despite a desire to play it. There is just too much written on the wall.
 
You won't even have to interact with Support unless you are hacking or something terribly wrong happens. 99% of the people complaining about support were running bots.
 
I'd check back in a few months, but, I doubt I'll even care at that point.
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I think there is validity in looking at social media and a game's forums to get a general idea, but you need to be incredibly critical. There are plenty of valid issues that have been highlighted through the forums, even stuff that Devs acknowledge (RE: Medal change, which err.. yeah), but a lot of it is articulated terribly/negatively.
 
Ultimately it will depend on what you want to get out of the game. I'm quite willing to give you my perspective, but it won't line up with everyone else's. Personally, I'm an end game PvE kind of person, but am unable to commit to a 4-5 day raid schedule. As such, I don't fall under the 'harcore' label, but certainly do not fall under the 'casual' label either. For the first few weeks I played 5-6 hours a day and loved every minute of it, even when it felt a little grindy. The zones were beautiful and path missions were a great mix up between open world quests. Adventures were fresh and it was a blast to play around with the different routes(although people tend to run the same path). Dungeons were amazing. The difficulty difference alone to modern MMOs had me frothing at the mouth, and since I'm somewhat patient, it didn't bother me getting stuck in one dungeon for 4 hours as people adjusted and learnt the encounters. Even in the open world you couldn't just tunnel vision and had to be active.
 
Ultimately, I have zero complaints for level 1-50, thoroughly enjoyed it, and if you can level casually, I think you'll get more than enough satisfaction out of the game. My grievances really didn't start until after 50, where my daily play time began to devolve into 2 hours of daily quests (yay Esper dps), a couple of long and (generally) unrewarding Adventures/Dungeons I had done during the leveling process, and a bit of shallow crafting here and there. I didn't really get into housing, but even that needs you to get out and earn some coin to support. As I said, I don't fall under the 'hardcore' category, so my play style doesn't line up with the hit endless content to do better in raids, and I'm not casual, as I spend more than 1-2hours a day playing games.
 
If you fall into either the casual or hardcore category I'm sure you'll be fine, but if you fall somewhere in between, with the current content, you will (likely) hit a wall. I think this is the case with many players that have hit 50 and are finding themselves bored with what is on offer. Of course, this won't apply to everyone, but I don't think it is uncommon either. Overall I think it is a great experience regardless, and I definitely got my moneys worth even if I do end up cancelling my subscription soon.
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MMO forums are typically very negative for the first few months.  Then after that they become only slightly less negative.  Most people who like the game are playing it.  Those who aren't will spend time complaining on the forums.
 
I don't post much here because of that.  I am ingame having fun with lots of other people.  MMO forums are usually best off being avoided.
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Don't get us wrong, the game is amazing.
However it does have its downsides.
1.) Some classes are not up to par dps wise as the others. (Medics and Espers).
2.) Some of the end-game content has in a way brickwalled players from getting the best loot. Or BiS(Best in Slot). Unfortunately some purples were a lot better then crafted. You can msotly run crafted gear.
3.) PvP is broken as hell, boosters running up to 1800 rating then dominating BGs/Arenas. Or tankers, tankign their score to dominate the 1200s.
4.) Itemization is shitty. You have 6 different classes, all use different stats. So here is where the RNG layers come in.
   a. RNG to get an item for your class/armor type
   b. RNG to get stats on said items
   c. RNG to get good runes
   d. RNG to roll better then the other players on your team.
as you can see it sucks right now.
 
It is a great game, but the devs are tkaing it the wrong direction.
 
RNG(Random Number Generator) aka, dice rolls.
 
Also endgame content becomes a chore eventually.
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So far the game seems cool, but, the amount of complaints on the forum is definitely a concern.  I'm on the 7-day trial right now and I should be playing your game and enjoying myself. Instead I'm here writing this post and I will explain why.
 
The overwhelming amount of negativity and complaints on the forum combined with the amount of 'outstanding issues' for the class I chose is really offputting. I'm sure I could go through the first 15 levels of the trial and have a great time, but I do not want to.  I do not want to enjoy your product for seven days only to come back to the forum 30 days later to join the critics in complaining. Even if the game is intially fun, I don't want to start playing an MMO that I will have to abandon due to a myriad of issues.
 
I don't know the circumstance of issues that caused the community to change. What was once a positive and enthusiastic group of players is no more. Now the amount of negativity and vitriol is greatly concerning to a new player.
 
I have never seen a playerbase turn on a game and its developers so quickly.  Unless I'm mistaken and people were really upset from the beginning. Though that hardly makes a difference when it comes to buying into your game.
 
It's too bad because Science Fiction is right up my alley.  Poor support, broken features, and an apparent rise in difficulty for newcomers compared to early adopters has lead me to abandon this game despite a desire to play it. There is just too much written on the wall.
 
I'd check back in a few months, but, I doubt I'll even care at that point.
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1. The game was released just over a month ago. Of course it needs a lot of balancing. Most MMOs need months, or even years, to get this right. And Wildstar is just over a month, and we see new balancing fixes in every patch.
 
2. Of course the best stuff is hard to get. That kinda goes without saying. If the best stuff was easy to get, everyone would have it. That kinda makes the whole thing pointless.
 
3. Wildstar is just released. Give it time.
 
4. Can't say I see what you're so upset about here, though I'm only lvl 26. Would you prefer if you were handed a better item than you already have automatically very time you defeat a dungeon? Where's the fun in that?
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			In my experience, Every forum on every game I played is like this. Happy people are in game playing, not venting on the forums lol. If you want to hear from banned or frustrated players you go to the forums. Just food for thought. Youll see postive threads and negative threads. You see that there is a completely different crowd in both, and the ones complaining are usually in the same threads making the same posts. Just FYI	
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No, I heard they were broken before I started the game, lol.  I'm playing an Engineer which works fine now, but, looking at the class forums the 'outstanding issues' thread has approximately 15 items in it. A number of which have been listed for a couple of months. It just gives the impression that there is a lot of other stuff that isn't working.
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4. Can't say I see what you're so upset about here, though I'm only lvl 26. Would you prefer if you were handed a better item than you already have automatically very time you defeat a dungeon? Where's the fun in that?
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Get to 50, then see how bad itemization is. People don't realize, after Epic there are two other colors.
Now before the patch of loot change, purples with good runes were a bit harder to come by. 
Now all you get for your effort are crappy blues. Yes some are usefull, but most of the time it is crap.
The best stuff wasn't hard to get one week ago. It made adventures fun to run. Now they are a chore like dailies.
Balancing they are working on, i'll give them that bit.
Just released is different from 5-10 years ago. People are impatient, and don't want to go through a boring grindfest to get one item.
Yes after spending 30 minutes-2 hours ina  dungeon I would like a very good item to drop. For my class? I won't be greedy but at least for one of the classes in the group.
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Get to 50, then see how bad itemization is. People don't realize, after Epic there are two other colors.
Now before the patch of loot change, purples with good runes were a bit harder to come by. 
Now all you get for your effort are crappy blues. Yes some are usefull, but most of the time it is crap.
The best stuff wasn't hard to get one week ago. It made adventures fun to run. Now they are a chore like dailies.
Balancing they are working on, i'll give them that bit.
Just released is different from 5-10 years ago. People are impatient, and don't want to go through a boring grindfest to get one item.
Yes after spending 30 minutes-2 hours ina  dungeon I would like a very good item to drop. For my class? I won't be greedy but at least for one of the classes in the group.
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I'm a big fan of the game, but if you haven't experienced it, it's a little hard to talk about this particular issue. Basically, to get an upgrade it takes a "perfect storm" of events to occur. In most games if you get a better tiered item for your class and spec, you are good to go. Unfortunately, there's another level to this, which is the rune slots. So even if you get your lucky drop, most of the time the rune slots will make it not worth it.
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Then Wildstar is not for you.
They said from the start that Wildstar is more for hardcore players then  "casuals".
You can play casual all you like, but you wont get the uber shit.
If you want epic legendary orange sparkling stuff... you have to bleed for it.
 
If you want it easy.. go play one of the many "you logged on?.. here have an epic" MMO's out there.
 
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Once numbers start going down. NC Soft will step in. Just wait.
Also Hardcore does not mean Grind, you lack the intelligence to distinguish between the two.
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Chua and community getting tired of insults.
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Yeah, well thats too bad when people can't learn the difference between Hardcore and Grind; and proceed to talk like they know how it is.
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Like Jynxii, I am in the same boat. The game is a chore to me and becomes boring quickly.
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Yeah, well thats too bad when people can't learn the difference between Hardcore and Grind; and proceed to talk like they know how it is.
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What it does no manage to do well is satisfy players that fall between the two categories. Their needs differ and there is very little that actually address them.
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The sooner they merge servers, the fewer existing and new players they'll lose to low pop.
 
This isn't too far out of the ordinary. I just got on Planetside 2 for the first time in more than a year yesterday. They've merged servers since they started, but the remaining servers are healthy and thriving.
 
But time is fleeting for Carbine. If they're lucky, some people will come back in 3 months. If they keep the population this spread out for the next three months (or frankly, for the next three weeks), there will be nothing to come back to.	
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Of course it takes a "perfect storm" to get better gear when you are max level. That's sort of the point with items. It just means your items are getting as good as they are going to get, so it will be harder to find even better stuff. Heck, I do get a lot of junk already, but that makes the good stuff even more fun to get.
 
But know what the fun part is? This whole thing about getting better gear is essentially what Diablo is all about, and people absolutely love it. There are still people playing Diablo 2 because they love to find new stuff. So why should anyone get the best stuff handed to them in an MMO? Wouldn't the best way to solve it be to make it even harder to find? If you really, really can't get stuff, there's the AH. It didn't work in Diablo 3, but that was a different game with a different community. In Wildstar, it means you won't have to do everything yourself. Or just join a guild. That way you can get a lot of stuff from your guild-mates, so everyone works together to give everyone the best stuff possible.
 
(At least, that's how guilds used to work. In Wildstar, to my experience, guild are just so the guild-officers can torment us regular members and feel like gods.)
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So, let's pack this logic up :
QQ threads + 4 levels ingame (~30 min) = game is obviously bad.
 
Now that's some objective judgement !
 
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Smart people learn from others' mistakes. I still occasionally pat myself on the back for not purchasing Tabula Rasa, SWTOR or ESO and waiting with GW2 until it was more stable. Decisions based on the official forum. There's no smoke without fire.
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Dude, it's a video game. You're not purchasing a house or a car.
 
Grats on "dodging those bullets!".
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So, let's pack this logic up :
QQ threads + 4 levels ingame (~30 min) = game is obviously bad.
 
Now that's some objective judgement !
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Better then wasting $75+ and finding out it wasn't worth it.
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How so? Logically, thats who it caters to the most. You have the best of both worlds.
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What do you expect to get out of 75 dollars in this world? Ultimate Never ending happiness?
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I just dont understand how you are worse off playing 2-5 hours a day rather than 1-2 hours a day and the game no longer caters to you. 2-5 hours is just a little less casual than 1-2 hours. Idk I just dont understand your formula.
 
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For some people, they can spend it on a game that would suit them better.
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For some people, they can spend it on a game that would suit them better.
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The point is... it's 75 bucks. And some of you treat it like it's some scam where your consumer rights have been violated.
 
If you don't like it, it's a game that costs less than dinner with your wife. Get over it and move on.
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Its already been established you are a dedicated member of the Loyal Order of Wildstar Knights.
That said, would love to see what YOU do when you order your steak well done and it comes to you medium rare. You telling me you'd eat it anyway?
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Its already been established you are a dedicated member of the Loyal Order of Wildstar Knights.
That said, would love to see what YOU do when you order your steak well done and it comes to you medium rare. You telling me you'd eat it anyway?
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Dude, it's a video game. You're not purchasing a house or a car.
 
Grats on "dodging those bullets!".
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I just dont understand how you are worse off playing 2-5 hours a day rather than 1-2 hours a day and the game no longer caters to you. 2-5 hours is just a little less casual than 1-2 hours. Idk I just dont understand your formula.
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Alright folks, the OP got loads of feedback and mentioned they were going to decide for themselves. This thread has gotten off track and turned a bit more volatile than we like here on the forums, as such I'm going to lock it. 
 
Please remember that while we appreciate constructive discussion and feedback about the game, personal attacks and naming calling are not tolerated. We don't expect everyone to get along with one another but you do have to refrain from personal insults. 
 
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