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I get what Jayvi is saying. I really hope WS is not going down the road other games went. If you read the Youtube post etc, u can already see that a lot of people are only coming back for f2p and already are asking for stuff to get more easier. Dungeon, Raids, Attument Quest etc.
 
-.- PLS PLS PLS CARBINE DONT LISTEN TO THE F2P PARASITES!!!! WHO WANT EVERYTHING FOR FREE, REAL MONEY or NO WORK AT ALL!!!!	
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I get what Jayvi is saying. I really hope WS is not going down the road other games went. If you read the Youtube post etc, u can already see that a lot of people are only coming back for f2p and already are asking for stuff to get more easier. Dungeon, Raids, Attument Quest etc.
 
-.- PLS PLS PLS CARBINE DONT LISTEN TO THE F2P PARASITES!!!! WHO WANT EVERYTHING FOR FREE, REAL MONEY or NO WORK AT ALL!!!!
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I really would like an answer if this includes those who had a sub, then went to using CREDD.
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Unfortunately no. In order to be eligible you must have had your game registered at launch and stayed continuously subscribed (without a single day of interruption) until the transition to Free to Play.
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Getting real money is more work then ANY work would be in a game mister;)
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So what yoru telling me its ok to pay to get Raid Gear etc. instead of working hard with 19 other people to kill a boss, or spending time getting to know your class and finishing the Attument Quest.
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			Come on ppl you are not entitled to ANYTHING! unless you pay for it....and by not paying for that 1 to 100 missing days...you do not qualify. The only exception as I would see it is IF you got hacked or something. 	
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So what yoru telling me its ok to pay to get Raid Gear etc. instead of working hard with 19 other people to kill a boss, or spending time getting to know your class and finishing the Attument Quest.
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you are  the first person i hear this last month to say " its time to go back to wow", lately is the other way around
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So you are excluding every C.R.E.D.D user who used C.R.E.D.D to renew their subscription more than 2 months in row from mount and "Living Legend" title ? As C.R.E.D.D isn't automatic subscription and everyone who has used it has at least few days worth of interruption on their subscription account. There needs to be small buffer what in blankets few days on interruption due to credit card problems or C.R.E.D.D accounts normal downtime between uses. 
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So good bye Jayvi and Riekko, my human warrior and aurin stalker and welcome back WoW and Guild Wars 2.
 
Carbine devs always claim how they "listen to community". So guess what - I am also the community. Meditate on that. See you in Draenor.
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I often times have to wonder how come nobody ever remembers Realm Reborn... :P
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Alone in this thread several people sad they are going back to WOW XD
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This was already answered, in terms of C.R.E.D.D. it is the same thing as having a regular subscription. 
 
- Team WildStar 
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And about the beta...Its just gonna be a PTR thing yes? Cause I dont realy wanna beta test anything, but there is no plan to "pause" the game or anything for a beta period is there?
 
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This was already answered, in terms of C.R.E.D.D. it is the same thing as having a regular subscription. 
 
- Team WildStar 
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Knew this day would finally come. *Takes a bow* Remember, for those that recall who I am... I called it back during BETA. f2p is finally here! *does a happy-dance of victorious joy*
 
 :D :lol: B) :ph34r:
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 I think free to play with a sub option was a better call than going Buy to play on this one. Since it will allow the credd system to continue and flurish.. its kinda hard to justify a buy to play and than ask for a sub on top of it like eso had done. To the developers might I add a couple of ideas to extend the sub options.. make an account wide bank or able to send via mail to their characters. so players can transfer goods among their fraction characters. This will help promote the incentives to play alts on both sides.. plus it could be one of the many perks of having a sub account. The more incentives the more attractive it will appeal to a new audience to get them subs rocking.
 
As far as cash shop goes.. SEXY out fits please.. Your want to burn a hole in my wallet well there it is... 
 
Im looking forward to seeing that 2k deco limit for housing.. just make sure that copy and paste is working! :D
 
At least now that its official were going to have to find some other topic to debate about on the forums now lol... Change is coming so lets make this second chance worth wild.	
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 I think free to play with a sub option was a better call than going Buy to play on this one. Since it will allow the credd system to continue and flurish.. its kinda hard to justify a buy to play and than ask for a sub on top of it like eso had done. To the developers might I add a couple of ideas to extend the sub options.. make an account wide bank or able to send via mail to their characters. so players can transfer goods among their fraction characters. This will help promote the incentives to play alts on both sides.. plus it could be one of the many perks of having a sub account. The more incentives the more attractive it will appeal to a new audience to get them subs rocking.
 
As far as cash shop goes.. SEXY out fits please.. Your want to burn a hole in my wallet well there it is... 
 
Im looking forward to seeing that 2k deco limit for housing.. just make sure that copy and paste is working! :D
 
At least now that its official were going to have to find some other topic to debate about on the forums now lol... Change is coming so lets make this second chance worth wild.
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This is a common concern during F2P transitions like this. More information will be upcoming soon, but I did want to reassure you that we're making sure to add costumes and the like in game to chase as well. Including some often-asked-for bits... ;)
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Sounds like you're suggesting that the store purchases go into the account inventory? I like that idea.
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And about the beta...Its just gonna be a PTR thing yes? Cause I dont realy wanna beta test anything, but there is no plan to "pause" the game or anything for a beta period is there?
 
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I find this truly disappointing that I will not get this mount........
 
Wish it could be for those who were subbed from when this was announced.
 
my life is over now.
 
I guess it is now time to remove my sub and only buy shop items maybe.	
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I wasnt thinking it at the time.. but now that you mentioned it.. hell yeah id be all for that to.
 
 
Theyll probably have a good amount of housing features in the shop.. but they still need a good amount of drops and stuff to farm for the players that running subs so I doubt they would put housing deco strictly in the cash shop... they still need carrots to farm and trade...
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			I hope I will qualify for the loyalty mount. I did not register my copy of the game until a few days after the launch. However my subscription has never lapsed.	
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Whatever Carbine do, they're boning someone. Most people will get most loyalty rewards. Some will get all (i.e. 2 extra). You could change the threshold, but then the next set of people in line will start complaining.
 
I've been a sub most, not all, of the time, so I won't get a mount. I don't really give a fig, but I understand that people do. However, I also understand that as a current subscriber, you're still getting several benefits post-F2P.	
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For the store I hope there are mounts.  Lots and lots of mounts.
 
 
... and gunslinger hats.	
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CREDD doesn't have downtime if you use it before your game time expires. It adds 30 days on to the end of your time. So, downtime in between uses isn't normal.
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This has likely been addressed somewhere in the 40-odd pages, but:
 
(1) Server load is of course being considered?  If the point  of this is to coax thousands more players, there's a good chance that they will simply turn around and leave if their first few days' impression is "the game cannot handle load".  So, for those of us that wish the game to prosper, it's a concern.
(2) Will there be a fairly robust "anti-bot", "one click to report (gold/etc)spam" button and other "anti-scam and anti-economy-destroying" feature in place?  While there are many wonderful F2P players out there, there are also many parasites.	
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It's normal. Nobody stated what was the "right" or "wrong" way to redeem CREDD. At the time there was no point in using them before the gametime expiration even if you never planned to unsub. You simply wanted to have them in your account inventory because who knew you wanted to use them to rename or transfer your character for some reason.
Carbine already got our money and at no point we would have been able to ask them back and yet we're considered as less "loyal". In fact, we should have been threaten as more loyal, regardless of the fact we redeemed our CREDD at the first login after the expiration or few days before it.
 
Just another kick in the teeth of the players who supported this game regardless the lag, bugs and disruptions since closed beta, supporting the community, developing addons and last but not least playing and paying.
 
Thank you.
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Some changes I feel really need to be implemented by the time of f2p:
There needs to be a way to immediately kick people from your housing plot. We already get cupcakes that try to crash events and such now even with a smaller community, but with f2p now you have a potentially larger population of people who will have little to nothing to lose.
In chat channels such as trade and potentially if you decide to add a global LFG chanel I feel that instituting a time restriction on how often you can put a message in said channel would be nice
Change the LFG system to a bulletin board based one rather than a quueue based system for PvE
Fix the PvP flagging issue that we are having. As it is right now healers and or people buffing are getting flagged and in turn attacked involuntarily during events such as scorchwing, lightspire, etc...This should not be happening to those who do not wish to voluntarily participate in PvP on a PvE server.It should operate like in every other game where flagged players can't be healed or buffed by unflagged players unless intentionally targeted and healed or the healer/buffer is flagged themselves. I can only see this becoming more frustrating if this isn't resolved.	
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title. I don't have a way to determine that with a screenshot of your subscription history. An account being inactive means having no game time on it. As long as you had game time continuously since launch, you are fine.
 
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Regarding the Ikthian Crawler and the Living Legend. now, I understand that many of you will be frustrated because they either started the game few days after launch and/or were unsubscribed for few days in the past year for various reasons. Unfortunately as it currently stands, the mount and the title will only be awarded for players who have been continuously subscribed to WildStar (subscription includes C.R.E.D.D., Game Time Cards, "30 days" period included with retail codes (both digital and boxes)).
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Oh I thought it was just one mount and one title. I didn't realize it was a direct personal insult. I was a closed and open beta tester, subbed with the deluxe edition from early access through early March of this year and let my sub lapse for a month before re subbing through September and buying extra boxed copies to boot. And yet my teeth don't feel like they've been kicked, maybe because I know it's a video game vanity item and not an insult to the core of my being.
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Oh I thought it was just one mount and one title. I didn't realize it was a direct personal insult. I was a closed and open beta tester, subbed with the deluxe edition from early access through early March of this year and let my sub lapse for a month before re subbing through September and buying extra boxed copies to boot. And yet my teeth don't feel like they've been kicked, maybe because I know it's a video game vanity item and not an insult to the core of my being.
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Considering that's nothing at all what I said... hey, if that's your reading comprehension to not understand there's a happy-medium middle-ground, that's your own malfunction bro.  B)
 
PS - Perhaps if there was a decent amount of quality end-game content, they wouldn't have to make the limited end-game content so grindy... #JustSaying  :lol:
 
 
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I hope I will qualify for the loyalty mount. I did not register my copy of the game until a few days after the launch. However my subscription has never lapsed.
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			It absolutely sucks for the people who played beta/purchased the game. This is pretty much as if they're spitting in our faces. I hope it changes.	
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What does lapsed means can you ss your TH and your Subs like me
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hmmm
I just thought of something...
 
When they say "launch" what constitutes that? Obviously I imagine that head start counts in there somewhere as well as "day 1", but something I was thinking of is that often(MMOs especially) tend to have more f a "window" or set of days considered launch period due to some people getting physical copies mailed to them. I wasn't effected since I was a digital purchase and din't really pay attention to that this time around, but considering it is common practice to sometimes even extend those with headstart keys up to a week so they can apply their "live keys" I'm curious if Carbine defines Launch as Day 1 live OR a period of time .
 
Sorry if this has been answered, but think that is something interesting to think on...	
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Oh I thought it was just one mount and one title. I didn't realize it was a direct personal insult. I was a closed and open beta tester, subbed with the deluxe edition from early access through early March of this year and let my sub lapse for a month before re subbing through September and buying extra boxed copies to boot. And yet my teeth don't feel like they've been kicked, maybe because I know it's a video game vanity item and not an insult to the core of my being.
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I think part of the problem is that Carbine have an extremely limited opinion of a "loyal subscriber".
 
There are many people (yourself included) who, for various reasons, let the sub lapse for a releatively short period over the last year, yet have continued to support Wildstar. You dropped sub for a few weeks for personal reasons. Would you describe yourself as a loyal subscriber? Carbine wouldn't.
 
A better solution might have been to give that Ikthian mount in various colours depending on your sub history. Issue the mount in 3 skins:
 
All 3 versions : Permanently subscribed (not a single minute of downtime)
2 versions : 9 months +
1 version : 6 months +
 
Just make the coolest skin the one for the Permanent Subscribers. Then people would be missing a version of a skin, not a whole mount. You could even make the lowest tier available to those subbed when the F2P announcement hit.
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I think part of the problem is that Carbine have an extremely limited opinion of a "loyal subscriber".
 
There are many people (yourself included) who, for various reasons, let the sub lapse for a releatively short period over the last year, yet have continued to support Wildstar. You dropped sub for a few weeks for personal reasons. Would you describe yourself as a loyal subscriber? Carbine wouldn't.
 
A better solution might have been to give that Ikthian mount in various colours depending on your sub history. Issue the mount in 3 skins:
 
All 3 versions : Permanently subscribed (not a single minute of downtime)
2 versions : 9 months +
1 version : 6 months +
 
Just make the coolest skin the one for the Permanent Subscribers. Then people would be missing a version of a skin, not a whole mount. You could even make the lowest tier available to those subbed when the F2P announcement hit.
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			What if they called us supportive investors and gave us protostar themed mounts?	
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What if they called us supportive investors and gave us protostar themed mounts?
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So what yoru telling me its ok to pay to get Raid Gear etc. instead of working hard with 19 other people to kill a boss, or spending time getting to know your class and finishing the Attument Quest.
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I think part of the problem is that Carbine have an extremely limited opinion of a "loyal subscriber".
 
There are many people (yourself included) who, for various reasons, let the sub lapse for a releatively short period over the last year, yet have continued to support Wildstar. You dropped sub for a few weeks for personal reasons. Would you describe yourself as a loyal subscriber? Carbine wouldn't.
 
A better solution might have been to give that Ikthian mount in various colours depending on your sub history. Issue the mount in 3 skins:
 
All 3 versions : Permanently subscribed (not a single minute of downtime)
2 versions : 9 months +
1 version : 6 months +
 
Just make the coolest skin the one for the Permanent Subscribers. Then people would be missing a version of a skin, not a whole mount. You could even make the lowest tier available to those subbed when the F2P announcement hit.
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Can you confirm the same for Decor? 
 
Think you'd lose alot of housing players if every new decor item put in the game was going to be put straight in the cash shop
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It's already OK to pay to get raid gear etc. I have an iLevel 74 chest piece bought off the auction house a few months back and I have never set foot in a raid instance or completed Attunement. Cost me 80 plat. I'm currently eyeing an iLevel 74 piece of support gear for about 40 plat.
 
Note that anything which can be bought with plat can also be bought with cash and it has been this way since launch.
 
Ergo, if what you are protesting is cause to leave the game in a huff, you should have left the game months ago.
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			A day later people still complaining that they don't get a mount and acting like they get nothing at all because they don't meet the requirements.	
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It's already OK to pay to get raid gear etc. I have an iLevel 74 chest piece bought off the auction house a few months back and I have never set foot in a raid instance or completed Attunement. Cost me 80 plat. I'm currently eyeing an iLevel 74 piece of support gear for about 40 plat.
 
Note that anything which can be bought with plat can also be bought with cash and it has been this way since launch.
 
Ergo, if what you are protesting is cause to leave the game in a huff, you should have left the game months ago.
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Personally I find it slightly different when the supply comes from other players who has worked for said item. Their choice whether they want to sell it or not, but the plat gets processed into the player economy. 
It isn't much different from paying in a cash shop, but it just somehow feels better to me. 
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I'm really stunned by the vitriol at not getting one mount, and completely ignoring all the stuff you do get. Yesterday I thought it was a really nice gesture to those of us who stuck with Carbine from the beginning. Now I find out Carbine and I have been roaming the world spitting in people's faces and killing their dogs.
 
Maybe just maybe tone down the vitriol just a bit? This is absurd. Its one mount. Carbine didn't eat your baby.	
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I'm really stunned by the vitriol at not getting one mount, and completely ignoring all the stuff you do get. Yesterday I thought it was a really nice gesture to those of us who stuck with Carbine from the beginning. Now I find out Carbine and I have been roaming the world spitting in people's faces and killing their dogs.
 
Maybe just maybe tone down the vitriol just a bit? This is absurd. Its one mount. Carbine didn't eat your baby.
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I'm really stunned by the vitriol at not getting one mount, and completely ignoring all the stuff you do get. Yesterday I thought it was a really nice gesture to those of us who stuck with Carbine from the beginning. Now I find out Carbine and I have been roaming the world spitting in people's faces and killing their dogs.
 
Maybe just maybe tone down the vitriol just a bit? This is absurd. Its one mount. Carbine didn't eat your baby.
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It's already OK to pay to get raid gear etc. I have an iLevel 74 chest piece bought off the auction house a few months back and I have never set foot in a raid instance or completed Attunement. Cost me 80 plat. I'm currently eyeing an iLevel 74 piece of support gear for about 40 plat.
 
Note that anything which can be bought with plat can also be bought with cash and it has been this way since launch.
 
Ergo, if what you are protesting is cause to leave the game in a huff, you should have left the game months ago.
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*groan* that was bad and you should feel bad. ;)
 
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I'm really stunned by the vitriol at not getting one mount, and completely ignoring all the stuff you do get. Yesterday I thought it was a really nice gesture to those of us who stuck with Carbine from the beginning. Now I find out Carbine and I have been roaming the world spitting in people's faces and killing their dogs.
 
Maybe just maybe tone down the vitriol just a bit? This is absurd. Its one mount. Carbine didn't eat your baby.
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I don't care about the mount. I want the title.
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Oh I thought it was just one mount and one title. I didn't realize it was a direct personal insult. I was a closed and open beta tester, subbed with the deluxe edition from early access through early March of this year and let my sub lapse for a month before re subbing through September and buying extra boxed copies to boot. And yet my teeth don't feel like they've been kicked, maybe because I know it's a video game vanity item and not an insult to the core of my being.
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There's a difference between being able to buy a raid-quality item from a cash shop with real money without anyone putting any effort into getting the item, and someone having to have put the effort into getting to raid and consequently getting a drop they decide to sell on the AH.
 
In the first case the item hasn't been earned, it's just been bought because the person is too lazy to play the game and wants everything handed over on a silver plate. In the second case the person who originally received the drop earned it through their time spent in getting ready to raid, learning the raids and consequently killing the boss required for the drop. They earned the item, and they have the right to sell it, if they so wish, for in-game money.
 
This does mean that someone with more money than will to put the effort in can buy the item with plat or cash through CREDD but the item was still earned as opposed to bought by someone unwilling to spend the time in-game to deserve it.
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I think lapsing for 2 weeks because should be the cutoff or so many days not subscribed.  ran out of game card time so have to run to the store to buy it.  OH shoot, forgot february month so forgot to do it.  CC changed, and didn't update due to buying subscription with Credd.  Only lapsed for 4 hours but oh look, won't get the title/mount.
 
The fact that someone has been with the game so long, went through the bashing for this game and still showed support.  Well, its bittersweet for those not getting the title and the mount.  Even those that purhcased the game within the first month of release, I know a few that waited a couple weeks for things to settle down and bugs get worked out like they do for alot of newly released games, not just MMO's, and they aren't going to get a mount/title.  Should get if unsubbed for less than a month totla or 2 weeks or something, other than that, well, sorry just not going to get.	
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It's what we call 'entitlement' in the gaming community. They see only what they don't get rather then what they do.
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I see it as people feeling left out on what looks like the most interesting mount model in the game by far. Its now many of the "haves" who feel they are entitled to get something nobody else can even have the chance at.
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			i would love an aurin/chua mount...just saying.	
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Don't worry when the cash shop hits you'll have plenty of cooler newer mounts to get.
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As long as your account has never been inactive, then you will get the special mount and title. I don't have a way to determine that with a screenshot of your subscription history. An account being inactive means having no game time on it. As long as you had game time continuously since launch, you are fine.
 
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			As someone who was gone from August of last year until yesterday I don't feel I'm entitled to squat.    I'd say anyone who subbed for 3/4 of the release time of the game should be considered for the awesome goodness of elite stuff.  :) 	
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You're missing something tho... My issue is not with being unsubbed for a few days or coming to the game late... My issue is with being subbed every single day since release but not with the recurring method, therefore it is BOUND to drop even for a few minutes before you attempt to log in and it tells you to pay... So despite being subbed and online every single day since release, your method is considering me unloyal... That is a flawed system.
 
How could it be fair that someone who had been online everyday the entire life of Wildstar is considered not eligible?
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Well, technically that's not a recurring subscription
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			I'm honestly really sad about this I've played beta since August 2013 and been following and playing Wildstar since launch 8/9 DS and am a loyal customer to Carbine. Though on December 3rd my sub lapsed and started back up on December 29th so only 3 weeks because at the time I didn't even have a home due to real life issues. Now I don't get the mount even though I've been subbed for the entire year besides that time. I sticked with this game even when all my friends told me to leave and told me that it was dead, ect. 	
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			Honestly, the people who are upset that they're not getting the mount, I bet you that it'll show up in the Cash Shop in the future. 	
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Honestly, the people who are upset that they're not getting the mount, I bet you that it'll show up in the Cash Shop in the future. 
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Honestly, the people who are upset that they're not getting the mount, I bet you that it'll show up in the Cash Shop in the future. 
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Well, technically that's not a recurring subscription, it's considered pay as you go (i.e. you pay whenever you want, they don't collect whehenver they want.) For example, if you were on vacation and there was a 3 week lapse before you entered your new CREDD or game time, etc. You wouldn't be charged and you also wouldn't have access to the game.
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Ok just a little feedback (since I posted it to the wrong thread earlier!)
 
The most annoying thing to me about F2P (as a subscriber) -- having to deal with more pseudo-currency.
 
I don't even want to deal with free a "stipend" of this each month. I just want to earn what I want by playing the game or earning the gold in game to buy it. Everything should be available to me as a subscriber without having to deal or even know about this pseudo currency or dealing with any sort of in-game exchange.
 
If there's a way to make that "invisible" to accounts that are flagged as subscribers... via the game UI, vendors, and so forth... That would go a long way in preserving the sanctity of the current WildStar experience for players who hope to keep playing it just like we always have!	
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If there's a way to make that "invisible" to accounts that are flagged as subscribe... via the game UI, vendors, and so forth... That would go a long way in preserving the sanctity of the current WildStar experience for players who hope to keep playing it just like we always have!
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That would be really messed up if it did also the kitty as well. 
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suggestion...
Can we have the ikthian crawler walk sideways like a crab?	
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Well, technically that's not a recurring subscription, it's considered pay as you go (i.e. you pay whenever you want, they don't collect whehenver they want.) For example, if you were on vacation and there was a 3 week lapse before you entered your new CREDD or game time, etc. You wouldn't be charged and you also wouldn't have access to the game.
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I did say that it wasnt a recurring sub, but that doesn't mean i wasn't subbed everyday since release, they can see that i was subbed every single day, the scenario you mentioned is not what happened.
 
In other words my complaint is.. You paid 180 dollars since release and i paid 180 dollars since release (sub cost)... One is considered loyal and one is not, because it dropped for a few minutes because he wasn't using recurring sub... That is not how you define loyalty.
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Since this is now day 2 of players feeling unappreciated by the Player Appreciation Program, I would like to once again try to provide a constructive and simple solution that allows every player to choose for themselves, regardless of past or continuing payment lapses/CC expirations/life interruptions/account errors/etc, how much support they would like to be appreciated for.
 
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1. Calculate out how much total subscription time people would have to have bought in order for them to have paid the same amount as those who stayed subscribed the entire time, and set the mount to be part of the reward for being subscribed for that amount of time.
 
2. In your cash shop, sell backdated time in the loyalty program at a cost of 50 cents per day up to the maximum time available. If you joined the game last week but have already contributed as much as someone here from the start, then you've supported the game as much as someone who was here from the start. People who let their subscription lapse for a day have a very small amount of backdating to apply. People who let their subscription lapse for three months will have to decide if they really need this month's loyalty rewards enough to not just wait three months to get it.
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I can't speak for Carbine CS obviously, but if my past experience with those peeps is anything to go by, they will take a look at that situation on a case by case basis... they are real live people behind the scenes! If it truly is that close of a technicality, maybe less than 1 calendar day, they'd consider making an exception. But there are other people who are, say, 2 calendar days with a lapsed subscription. So it's going to be very hard to draw a line and not have some cross-section of the community unhappy.
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I would be one to fall in that technicality as well. I can recall maybe two times that I would be playing on a Friday night, all is well. Go to log in Saturday morning, account is inactive. "Oh snap.. lemme fix that" Jump right to the account page and re-up right there.  One time. One 8 hour gap. That's all it takes to break the "continuous subscription" and render someone ineligible for the full "appreciation reward" package.
 
Do I care? Not really, I view the 4 months of Signature Service as a far greater value in terms of thanking us, But I see why many people are irate. That this one little breach of service now puts them back in the pot as someone who just subbed last month in terms of "appreciation", seemingly trivializing the past 12 months of continued support.	
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Ok just a little feedback (since I posted it to the wrong thread earlier!)
 
The most annoying thing to me about F2P (as a subscriber) -- having to deal with more pseudo-currency.
 
I don't even want to deal with free a "stipend" of this each month. I just want to earn what I want by playing the game or earning the gold in game to buy it. Everything should be available to me as a subscriber without having to deal or even know about this pseudo currency or dealing with any sort of in-game exchange.
 
If there's a way to make that "invisible" to accounts that are flagged as subscribers... via the game UI, vendors, and so forth... That would go a long way in preserving the sanctity of the current WildStar experience for players who hope to keep playing it just like we always have!
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I honestly hadn't even thought of that, and now that I think about it, it really is annoying as hell.
 
So we go from Plat and CREDD
 
to
 
Plat, CREDD (probably still works for activating months of signature status), Omnibits, Loyalty Points, and Cash Shop $.
 
It's enough to want to bash your head against a wall.
 
 
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If there's a way to make that "invisible" to accounts that are flagged as subscribers... via the game UI, vendors, and so forth... That would go a long way in preserving the sanctity of the current WildStar experience for players who hope to keep playing it just like we always have!
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Since this is now day 2 of players feeling unappreciated by the Player Appreciation Program, I would like to once again try to provide a constructive and simple solution that allows every player to choose for themselves, regardless of past or continuing payment lapses/CC expirations/life interruptions/account errors/etc, how much support they would like to be appreciated for.
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Nice dream sadly it'll never happen.  Cash shops make tons of money because it enables people to pay more than a sub.  In a Freemium model part of that excess revenue goes to fund the content called "more people to play with".  Subs will never get "everything".  Sometimes they'll get a teaser amount of currency (first taste is always free!) but typically it's just a token amount.
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Nice dream sadly it'll never happen.  Cash shops make tons of money because it enables people to pay more than a sub.  In a Freemium model part of that excess revenue goes to fund the content called "more people to play with".  Subs will never get "everything".  Sometimes they'll get a teaser amount of currency (first taste is always free!) but typically it's just a token amount.
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You forgot prestige, renown, and glory. And elder gems.
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suggestion...
Can we have the ikthian crawler walk sideways like a crab?
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			So how would the player appreciation rewards work for me because my subscription was accidentally cancelled your end when your payment system went down? Technically I have a few days break while you sorted the issue out which would count as my subscription being cancelled and then resubbed. I'm hoping you'll be taking that into account for me and any others who experienced that issue. 	
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 I think the loyaty points are what should be the penalty for taking some time off the more you stayed the more you get..  Not the titles nor the items. Some of the players cared enough to give wildstar a second chance that should account for something since we had returned, many still put in a lot of money into the game. That sill should account for something given that if all the players that had left gave ws a second chance F2P wouldn't even be a topic of discussion atm.
 
I do believe that penalizing players who left and returned vs players that just stayed should have a bit of a difference in rewards but let that be judged by the loyalty point buying power not the items themselves.. some of us where here at prelaunch ( mount) some of us are subbed before deadline (deco and pet) Im ok with having less of a buying power for the loyalty points.. 	
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This probably won't go over well, but I do object to using the word "penalize" because someone else getting something you aren't. If there was not mount or title, no one would feel penalized. But now that someone is getting something you aren't, that might be wrong for all the reasons mentioned, but you aren't being "punished".
 
I understand the frustration and anger. I'm not saying it's unjustified. And feel free to ignore my opinion here.	
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I think i have a one day "lapse" because my credd expired after i logged out one day,and it asked me to redeem a credd the next. I'm not sure how furious I'd be if this disqualifies me from the ithikan mount after how long i've been playing the game.. which was before winter beta. There has to be a better method to decide who is loyal.
 
I can't even find a way to verify my credd renewal dates or anything like that in my account info.	
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So how would the player appreciation rewards work for me because my subscription was accidentally cancelled your end when your payment system went down? Technically I have a few days break while you sorted the issue out which would count as my subscription being cancelled and then resubbed. I'm hoping you'll be taking that into account for me and any others who experienced that issue. 
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			So, Mike D just dropped the term N-Coin on the stream, which gives you access to the same things that Omnibits currency... this seems to be getting really confusing.	
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Well, perhaps they could just make money from the free players?
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So, Mike D just dropped the term N-Coin on the stream, which gives you access to the same things that Omnibits currency... this seems to be getting really confusing.
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Explains that 17 hour maintenance maybe, I recall getting emails and stuff from NCsoft regarding account shifts for other games and such too...
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			Hi, I'm new forum talk so forgive any naiveté. but what about players who tried the free trial only, are we free with some signature benefits or just strictly free.	
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Donatelli just said that there won't be any leeway, if your account has ever lapsed, that's it bois. You're worth less than somebody who has had 100% recurring.  
Well ain't this painful. 
Edit: On the bright side you'll be able to spend some bucks buying that protostar crawler mount! How I look forward to the future already. 	
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			Zero lapse... so less than 24hr of unsubbed because I switched my subplan from 3 months to one month as I prefer it that way has cost me the mount and title. Am I upset? Yes, yes I am. Why? I have been playing and supporting the game and carbine since sept 2013. I have been playing almost everyday, tried to build up the community on luminai, had to deal with all the people that laughed at me for still playing the game, but always been positive about it. Always saw it potential and I never meant to 'unsub' I just switched my plan. I'm also a big collector and missing out on this, by such a silly small amount of time is absolutely cruel. I'll get it rubbed in my face everytime I see someone on the mount. For the love of your players, add a grace period of a few days. Yes there will always be people unhappy, but please, compromise.. a little. /passionate gamer and wildstar fan	
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Donatelli just said that there won't be any leeway, if your account has ever lapsed, that's it bois. You're worth less than somebody who has had 100% recurring.  
Well ain't this painful. 
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Zero lapse... so less than 24hr of unsubbed because I switched my subplan from 3 months to one month as I prefer it that way has cost me the mount and title. 
 
Am I upset? Yes, yes I am. 
Why? I have been playing and supporting the game and carbine since sept 2013. I have been playing almost everyday, tried to build up the community on luminai, had to deal with all the people that laughed at me for still playing the game, but always been positive about it. Always saw it potential and I never meant to 'unsub' I just switched my plan. 
I'm also a big collector and missing out on this, by such a silly small amount of time is absolutely cruel. I'll get it rubbed in my face everytime I see someone on the mount. 
 
For the love of your players, add a grace period of a few days. Yes there will always be people unhappy, but please, compromise.. a little. 
 
/passionate gamer and wildstar fan
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I'm sure this was answered, but there is a 49 page forum thread... 
 
Does the box promotions count as a sub as well? Or must the "subscription" section must have an active sub? I'm asking because my account has been active since launch and has never lapsed. However, I cancelled my sub since I bought so many boxes and my account will be active until December of this year which is when I was going to renew my sub.	
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I'm sure this was answered, but there is a 49 page forum thread... 
 
Does the box promotions count as a sub as well? Or must the "subscription" section must have an active sub? I'm asking because my account has been active since launch and has never lapsed. However, I cancelled my sub since I bought so many boxes and my account will be active until December of this year which is when I was going to renew my sub.
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Zero lapse... so less than 24hr of unsubbed because I switched my subplan from 3 months to one month as I prefer it that way has cost me the mount and title. 
 
Am I upset? Yes, yes I am. 
Why? I have been playing and supporting the game and carbine since sept 2013. I have been playing almost everyday, tried to build up the community on luminai, had to deal with all the people that laughed at me for still playing the game, but always been positive about it. Always saw it potential and I never meant to 'unsub' I just switched my plan. 
I'm also a big collector and missing out on this, by such a silly small amount of time is absolutely cruel. I'll get it rubbed in my face everytime I see someone on the mount. 
 
For the love of your players, add a grace period of a few days. Yes there will always be people unhappy, but please, compromise.. a little. 
 
/passionate gamer and wildstar fan
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Did your account time frame ever become inactive?
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Yup it counts.
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Can we finally get some sexy costumes? I don't see why Belle Walker has to be the only one who can be a little spicy. Heck I made my own Bullseye cut off tank top for this summer cause I love the design so much. And I'm bored of tromping around in 5 layers of leather in desert biodomes. The prudes from launch beta can't complain either since you have to go out of your way to get it. You'd be printing your own money right there.
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as long as you don't go "too" korean style with bouncing boobs cash shop unlocks and you know... that type of stuff...
wildstar already have "sexy enough toon models". put some skimpy in there and its all good. but... i personally like the fact that even if the body shapes are not real, they still don't come out as "too much".
 
thx.	
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I'm sure this was answered, but there is a 49 page forum thread... 
 
Does the box promotions count as a sub as well? Or must the "subscription" section must have an active sub? I'm asking because my account has been active since launch and has never lapsed. However, I cancelled my sub since I bought so many boxes and my account will be active until December of this year which is when I was going to renew my sub.
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It is my understanding that regardless if you have a payment method tied to your account, used boxes to extend your game time, or a plan picked out so long as your account is active and has gametime on it then you're good. Carbine can correct me if I'm wrong, but that is my understanding...
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So want people to just breeze through raid endgame content? Yeah, plz god no
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So, Mike D just dropped the term N-Coin on the stream, which gives you access to the same things that Omnibits currency... this seems to be getting really confusing.
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TT sits within punching range of my desk. There's nothing we're selling that will help you get through raids any easier.
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TT sits within punching range of my desk. There's nothing we're selling that will help you get through raids any easier.
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So that means since my account never went "inactive" I've been continuous and eligible for the mount? I'm a crazed mount collector so I really want that mount :/
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Yup you are one of the few and the proud hahaha. As long as your account has been active since the game launched. Carbine's folks have said that they aren't treating boxes or credd any differently than a paid sub.
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TT sits within punching range of my desk. There's nothing we're selling that will help you get through raids any easier.
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So the general information given so far is that "if you have a continuous subscription or, without a lapse" from launch to F2P, you'll get the mount".
 
But what is "continuous" exactly or can you clarify what you define a "lapse" as?
 
1. Having paid your subscription fee EVERY month meaning say you missed a day due to CC issues or didn't get your CREDD activated for a few hours but you have paid your subscription every month.
2. No interruptions at all meaning not 1 single second of missed time.
 
Can a dev please confirm or explain this.	
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It's still pretty important to know if the Ncoint and Omnibits can be used together, otherwise you're going to end up with not enough of one and not enough of the other and be pretty frustrated.
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N-Coin is NCSoft's default cash shop currency and is required because they publish this game. They do not want you able to grind out currency for their other games by playing Wildstar, so this makes sense. Omnibits is Carbine being ultra cool and allowing us to do it in their game, without affecting NCSoft's other titles.
 
That being said, Wildstar has way too many currencies as is and contracts and all the vouchers and whatnot only made it worse. Hopefully we can push for some currency consolidation. It feels like we're farming 15 different things on live already.
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TT sits within punching range of my desk. There's nothing we're selling that will help you get through raids any easier.
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My account got unsubbed for a few hours due to some sort of bug with the subscription system a while back. Support was nice about it when it happened and gave me a free month to make up for it and my sub has been uninterrupted since Head Start outside of that.
 
Will I be ineligible for the mount and Living Legend title because of this? Will I be able to work something out with support if it does? Been part of this game since closed beta and don't want to miss out on an awesome title like that because of a bug.	
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This has likely been addressed somewhere in the 40-odd pages, but:
 
(1) Server load is of course being considered? If the point of this is to coax thousands more players, there's a good chance that they will simply turn around and leave if their first few days' impression is "the game cannot handle load". So, for those of us that wish the game to prosper, it's a concern.
(2) Will there be a fairly robust "anti-bot", "one click to report (gold/etc)spam" button and other "anti-scam and anti-economy-destroying" feature in place? While there are many wonderful F2P players out there, there are also many parasites.
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i am diligently subbed since last June 4th. which is basically the next day after launch. i'm missing the mount for 1 day.
 
1
 
only 1
 
not that i need the mount to enjoy the game, but common ! :D	
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My account got unsubbed for a few hours due to some sort of bug with the subscription system a while back. Support was nice about it when it happened and gave me a free month to make up for it and my sub has been uninterrupted since Head Start outside of that.
 
Will I be ineligible for the mount and Living Legend title because of this? Will I be able to work something out with support if it does? Been part of this game since closed beta and don't want to miss out on an awesome title like that because of a bug.
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can you buy omnibits with ncoin? example i have x amount of omnibits and y amount of  ncoin, but need 1.5 x to buy an item with omnibits, ill be able to use ncoin to buy omnibiots to reach the amount ot buy my thing
 
they already implied that didnt want to people to farm in this game to have access to buy stuff of other ncsoft games so omnibits to ncoins is closed, but ncoins to omnibits its a posibility?	
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Ok here's the thing guys. They have to draw a line somewhere. It's easier to make that line black and white. All of you upset about missing 1 day here, 1 month here, etc...here's the deal. If they let you have it, it will only lead to other people demanding it, until they have to backpedal away into everyone having it. There's no way they can win here, so the best thing to do is be consistent.
 
Now, the only justification anyone has to complain is if their sub lapsed due to an error on Carbine's part. That is the only situation I think they should even try to weigh in on. If it's b/c your card lapsed, that's on you. I don't even like advocating liming rewards, but at least look at this objectively.	
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Not getting the Ikthian mount for missing the subscription by few hours? Really? I Would like to hear answer why? Is it technically impossible to distinguish between players between players who forgot to renew their subscription for few hours or day and people who stopped playing for month or more? Or do you think we are not loyal enough? (That guy dropped subscription for a day because his credit card expired? Screw that scrub!) Or what? I'm not pleading for playes who stopped their subscription for week, month or more. I want justice for players which weren't fortunate enough to maintain subscription for year without missing a single second!
 
Btw I know there were already answers about this ( exactly not about this. Always answers to ppl which were unsubbed for month or more) but I want answer why did you decided like this?	
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Just seems like a lazy way to check who is eligible or not. Simply check if the accounts has ever been inactive or not. Extremely arbitrary  stuff essentially. 
I'm fine with drawing a line. It just doesn't need to be completely retarded, that's all. 	
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can you buy omnibits with ncoin? example i have x amount of omnibits and y amount of  ncoin, but need 1.5 x to buy an item with omnibits, ill be able to use ncoin to buy omnibiots to reach the amount ot buy my thing
 
they already implied that didnt want to people to farm in this game to have access to buy stuff of other ncsoft games so omnibits to ncoins is closed, but ncoins to omnibits its a posibility?
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I had this issue too. I'm not holding my breath for an answer but I'm hoping they will sort something out. They must have a list of players this affected.
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can you buy omnibits with ncoin? example i have x amount of omnibits and y amount of ncoin, but need 1.5 x to buy an item with omnibits, ill be able to use ncoin to buy omnibiots to reach the amount ot buy my thing
 
they already implied that didnt want to people to farm in this game to have access to buy stuff of other ncsoft games so omnibits to ncoins is closed, but ncoins to omnibits its a posibility?
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It's still pretty important to know if the Ncoint and Omnibits can be used together, otherwise you're going to end up with not enough of one and not enough of the other and be pretty frustrated.
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i am diligently subbed since last June 4th. which is basically the next day after launch. i'm missing the mount for 1 day.
 
1
 
only 1
 
not that i need the mount to enjoy the game, but common ! :D
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They probably will, if we want to be realistic. Housing is one of the things that WS does best in the current market. They'll start slow, putting only a few 'very special' things there, then they will steadily increase the ammount available. Or maybe they'll got the Rift route and put a cash shop currency price to (almost) everything, even existing decor.
 
The key will be to offer other ways to acquire those items. It's going to be a though thing to balance. If the grind to getting it is too fast, then nobody will be compelled to buy it from the cash shop. If it's too slow, players will be severely annoyed. The easiest way, and the thing I bet they will end up doing, is having all cash shop decor to be tradeable. Just like they did with the box purchase promotion items. Though then players will have to rely completely on those other players actually buying the things and putting them in the AH instead of actually working towards them.
 
I do not have much high hopes for cosmetics in any Free 2 Play game, to be honest. It's the one thing you can put in a cash shop that people will be compelled to pay real money for and that will not screw with the game's balance.
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Ok here's the thing guys. They have to draw a line somewhere. It's easier to make that line black and white. All of you upset about missing 1 day here, 1 month here, etc...here's the deal. If they let you have it, it will only lead to other people demanding it, until they have to backpedal away into everyone having it. There's no way they can win here, so the best thing to do is be consistent.
 
Now, the only justification anyone has to complain is if their sub lapsed due to an error on Carbine's part. That is the only situation I think they should even try to weigh in on. If it's b/c your card lapsed, that's on you. I don't even like advocating liming rewards, but at least look at this objectively.
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Regarding rewards for players that played since the start. You guys said that CREDD users would be eligible for the mount and title for playing since launch. However CREDD users will use their CREDD when prompted. This means there are at least a few minutes where their account has surely lapsed until they log on again and activate their CREDD right?Will their be any grace period for players who used this system? Or for players who were unable to keep their account from lapsing for a few minutes because of Carbines own technical client, official website, account management issues? Things like these are not "insanely" important. But you guys are going to get some negative feedback if you don't provide some kind of grace to your terms. Especially if it wasn't the players fault. 
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My account got unsubbed for a few hours due to some sort of bug with the subscription system a while back. Support was nice about it when it happened and gave me a free month to make up for it and my sub has been uninterrupted since Head Start outside of that.
 
Will I be ineligible for the mount and Living Legend title because of this? Will I be able to work something out with support if it does? Been part of this game since closed beta and don't want to miss out on an awesome title like that because of a bug.
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@CheetosMascot_TM
 
Man did they ignore you in the livestream.  I don't know how many times you had to ask to actually get an answer but they sure didn't answer many questions asked by anyone.	
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Donatelli just said that there won't be any leeway, if your account has ever lapsed, that's it bois. You're worth less than somebody who has had 100% recurring.  
Well ain't this painful. 
Edit: On the bright side you'll be able to spend some bucks buying that protostar crawler mount! How I look forward to the future already. 
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I suspect we'll get a proper and more fair answer to the question of "what is a continuous active account" soon - they're probably avoiding answering us right now because they're hashing out the details so they can give us a concise answer.
 
Ultimately I suspect they'll lower the constraints on it, or else we'll have a grand total of 10 players (I'm sure I exaggerate) with a "loyal" title and mount. Ideally, it would even give 2-3 month leeway. I think 11/14 months is pretty freakin' loyal. But I'm inclined to believe the answer will be about a month.	
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@CheetosMascot_TM
 
Man did they ignore you in the livestream.  I don't know how many times you had to ask to actually get an answer but they sure didn't answer many questions asked by anyone.
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			To clarify, once you have lifted social restrictions on your account they stay lifted. Think of this like an unlock. It's not directly tied to a signature subscription at all	
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Forced to move my post here, like many others:
 
SUGGESTION FOR THOSE WHO ARE MISSING OUT ON THE MOUNT+TITLE
 
So there is obviously a lot of upset about the loyalty rewards, and those missing out on the Ikthian mount due to a few hours of missed game time, credit card expiration, etc. I have been seeing the stories across zone chats and forums ever since the announcement was dropped, and I do feel for the players who will be missing out on the mount and title for something reasonable or unavoidable. So I think here could be an interesting solution to the problem:
 
Allow players on or before a certain date (i.e. on the anniversary, before the anniversary, or before the game launches their Free to Play plan) to purchase a year of signature service, which would give them a full year of the service but also grant them access to all of the loyalty rewards. This way players will have the option to get their hands on the mount without really spending any extra money they wouldn't already be spending. This could also give Carbine a bump in their funding, and establish several players committing to a year of Wildstar.   :)
 
Now this wouldn't be helpful to those using or who have used the C.R.E.D.D. system actively, but would still give these players another chance at the items if they were unfortunate enough to miss out on game time.   :(
 
Let me know what you think? If you like the idea, bump the post and get this active.
 
Maybe we could make it happen?	
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Ok here's the thing guys. They have to draw a line somewhere. It's easier to make that line black and white. All of you upset about missing 1 day here, 1 month here, etc...here's the deal. If they let you have it, it will only lead to other people demanding it, until they have to backpedal away into everyone having it. There's no way they can win here, so the best thing to do is be consistent.
 
Now, the only justification anyone has to complain is if their sub lapsed due to an error on Carbine's part. That is the only situation I think they should even try to weigh in on. If it's b/c your card lapsed, that's on you. I don't even like advocating liming rewards, but at least look at this objectively.
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Again, my situation is that for a while my sub wasn't renewed and I could access the forums game because of an error on Carbine's side. I didn't KNOW it was on Carbine's side, so I tried some things on my end, including canceling and immediately re-purchasing my sub. I sure hope that doesn't count against me, but I'm worried any automated query the will use to determine if my sub has lapsed will get triggered.
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			All we can really do now is wait for them to reply to one of our posts with a flat out no or them make an announcement with more details. The way all the posts involving this seem to be getting ignored while post regarding other subjects are been answered might mean they have something in mind, or they are just ignoring us lol 	
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All we can really do now is wait for them to reply to one of our posts with a flat out no or them make an announcement with more details. The way all the posts involving this seem to be getting ignored while post regarding other subjects are been answered might mean they have something in mind, or they are just ignoring us lol 
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Most likely they are figuring out how to respond.
 
Although, that was my hope with the cat mount promotion thing and they never did.
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Forgive but never forget! 
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			I was super excited when I saw the mount that i would be getting for being subbed continuously. Then somewhere in my subconscious, I heard the whisper on my ear "Didn't your card get rejected once?" and I'm sitting here going "Oh crap... did it? I don't remember. Was that this game or another game?" If it had been, it would have only been for a few hours at most, because I'm hopelessly addicted and have logged in pretty much every day since launch (except when I was out of town). It would suck to lose it. I wonder if the game was activated the same day it was inactivated, it still counts.....	
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i am diligently subbed since last June 4th. which is basically the next day after launch. i'm missing the mount for 1 day.
 
1
 
only 1
 
not that i need the mount to enjoy the game, but common ! :D
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			Perhaps a way to work around those who missed out on a month or two or had a subscription mishap: For the anniversary, players can purchase a full year of Wildstar and still get the rewards. This way players still committed to the game can get the rewards they deserve. Thoughts?	
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Perhaps a way to work around those who missed out on a month or two or had a subscription mishap: For the anniversary, players can purchase a full year of Wildstar and still get the rewards. This way players still committed to the game can get the rewards they deserve. Thoughts?
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Perhaps a way to work around those who missed out on a month or two or had a subscription mishap: For the anniversary, players can purchase a full year of Wildstar and still get the rewards. This way players still committed to the game can get the rewards they deserve. Thoughts?
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Perhaps a way to work around those who missed out on a month or two or had a subscription mishap: For the anniversary players can purchase a full year of Wildstar and still get the rewards. This way players still committed to the game can get the rewards they deserve. Thoughts?
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No. I don't wanna pay one year of sbuscribtion because i missed it by few hours. And 2) This mount is supposed to be exclusive to players who play the game since launch non-stop.
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I'm missing the mount for missing 0 days, obviously not loyal enough  :rolleyes:
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			I just fear a lot of players will miss out on the mount even after putting in the time and money playing since launch, and without an alternative players might not get the mount and title when they definitely deserve them. The devs are likely going to be forced to just deal out the blow saying "Sorry, if you didn't sign up for the full year subscription at launch you are out of luck." Guess we will see. 	
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I missed 30 minutes. Beat that.
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			I got logged out of the game. My account was inactive and was told I could redeem with C.R.E.D.D. Aka already there I ripped. There wasn't any countdown unless it's hidden in the debug chat which I have disabled, then it's my bad, but without that countdown I just had no clue when my prior credd was gonna expire. 	
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I understand what you're saying and to some point I agree but what has got me a little peeved is that i'm being told by Carbine that i'm not a loyal player.
 
I went weeks without playing due to burnout but I never even considered unsubbing cause I love the game and want to support it but being told that i'm not loyal when I know I have been is a little insulting.
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IMO only, I believe it should work like this.
 
Say from launch till F2P launch, it's 15 months for example.  "Loyal" or "continuous" subscribers should be classified as accounts that have paid 15 months of subscription fee's.
 
Just my opinion though	
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Plenty of examples.1. NCsoft services or Carbine services were down. Technical issues on NCsoft/Carbines side. Server side technical issues making a player unable to login to redeem their CREDD. A players subscription lapsed because of any of these random factors. Ineligible.
2. CREDD user was using CREDD whenever prompted. Didn't log on to see that prompt until an hour later. Ineligible.
3. Card was incorrectly processed. Had to contact support. Support took x amount of time to respond and the subscription lapsed. IneligibleI could go on and on about the unfortunate grey areas that exist for players who have been here since beta. How does one decide loyalty  :P.	
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I think a mount is likely the worst thing they could have chosen b/c everyone wants them. A title, a dye, even extra loyalty points and I don't think this would have been as big an issue. Perhaps just making the rewards available to everyone who subs now through F2P is a more adequate line to have chosen.
 
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All of this stuff over the mount reminds me of the Highway Man's costume thread. Where people said things like "I forgot to log in during beta so I should still get it because I was invited" or the "I've played since head start so I deserve the Highway Man's costume".
 
If your account was inactive because you unsubed, too bad.
 
If your account became inactive due to an issue regarding something that Carbine was "at fault" for then a ticket should be submitted. If it was a Carbine issue then you should get those rewards.	
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Considering you said to make the endgame not so harcore and grindy, pretty sure my reading comprehension is pretty good.  Endgame to me is Raids, and you mentioned it not being so hardcore and grindy.  That means to me nerfing it and if you nerf it guilds will breeze through it.  And you mentioned how WoW had all these different difficulty levels.  Ask alot of the raiders in this game, this game is not WoW, and how WoW did it was bad.  Yes, people get to experience the content but it's no accomplishment whatsoever.  And the only "grindy" thing is the attunement and that's not even to bad.  They make people run the adventures and dungeons so they get to know your class so you can succeed in raids.  Wish would change it to complete so many vet dungeons not specific and I think the attuenment would be alot better.    Raids have been decreased in difficulty due to power creep.  I just remember alot of WoW raiders coming here to raid and once they started stuff, it was to hard for them.  Curious what you think hard and not hard like it is now.  Sitting and not having to do any interupts?
 
If talking about other endgame such as vet dungeons, well they imo are attuned very well with how people get gear (which btw is really easy to get now).  Questing is in essence endgame, but come on, it's an MMO, and doing daily's and all that are a part of the MMO.  Also there's PVP endgame and thats another beast.
 
The ONLY change I would make to endgame is not make it so RNG and fix alot of the bug fixes.  Looking at you pairs (leash across the room and I'm dead).  GA as a raid is really good for a starter raid.  
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IMO only, I believe it should work like this.
 
Say from launch till F2P launch, it's 15 months for example.  "Loyal" or "continuous" subscribers should be classified as accounts that have paid 15 months of subscription fee's.
 
Just my opinion though
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			Will those who have a premium account during f2p also get an "allowance" of omnibits? or will they need to spend additional cash in the cash shop?	
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Will those who have a premium account during f2p also get an "allowance" of omnibits? or will they need to spend additional cash in the cash shop?
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