109712-credd-and-item-prices

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			This is the news update you will see within 6 months of doing a new search for wildstar. Its shameful to see Carbine being forced to include CREDD inducing money grabs to an already paying community. It looks like this game was setup with the intention of failing as a purely sub based game, tho its not obvious, I'm sure there's a reason they took this approach.If you don't know what I'm referring to I'll point out some of these outrageously priced items in the game and why they shouldn't cost what they do. First I would like to bring up expert riding skill. Expert riding skill currently costs 80plat. For anyone who has been doing their dailies and playing the endgame knows this is not cheap and will be mostly unaccessible to anyone who does not pay tons of money for in game gold. Some others I would like to point out are the strain hoverboard which goes for 100 plat and other flairs like spike hoverboard. These are early tell tale signs of a system catering to CREDD as there is no reasonable way to gather this amount of in game money. And why should everyday players be barred from content they are releasing that I have already paid for as in terms of my subscription. I can handle all the bugs and flaws in the game as they will likely be worked out, but this is not a bug, this is something much more sinister. Wildstars CREDD system was advertised as the best of both worlds, in reality it is the worst of both worlds.
			
				
	Edited August 20, 2014 by BusterCasey
	
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So you pointed out the hoverboard and the expert riding skill, but I don't see you saying why they shouldn't be that price. When you get a chance I'd like to her your reasons for that.
 
Also what is "reasonable way" to accquire income in your opnion? I myself tend to play the AH/CX which nets me quite a bit...	
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The strain board and flairs are purely cosmetic.
Mount speed isn't cosmetic, but it's also not necessary at all for any endgame content.  The vast majority of level 50 content, whether hardcore or casual, is done on your feet.	
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So you pointed out the hoverboard and the expert riding skill, but I don't see you saying why they shouldn't be that price. When you get a chance I'd like to her your reasons for that.
 
Also what is "reasonable way" to accquire income in your opnion? I myself tend to play the AH/CX which nets me quite a bit...
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Sorry... Im still fairly new to the game after playing for what seems to be 2 months, but.... what's AH/CX? Can you refresh my memory? lol
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So you pointed out the hoverboard and the expert riding skill, but I don't see you saying why they shouldn't be that price. When you get a chance I'd like to her your reasons for that.
 
Also what is "reasonable way" to accquire income in your opnion? I myself tend to play the AH/CX which nets me quite a bit...
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			These items are in the game to be gold sinks for people that actually take the time/energy to make a lot of money. Why do people come on here all day everyday and complain about the most pointless bullish*t. So what, you can't afford a cosmetic hoverboard or the luxury of riding a small amount faster!!!!!!!!	
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The strain board and flairs are purely cosmetic.
 
Mount speed isn't cosmetic, but it's also not necessary at all for any endgame content.  The vast majority of level 50 content, whether hardcore or casual, is done on your feet.
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These items are in the game to be gold sinks for people that actually take the time/energy to make a lot of money. Why do people come on here all day everyday and complain about the most pointless bullish*t. So what, you can't afford a cosmetic hoverboard or the luxury of riding a small amount faster!!!!!!!!
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Before launch and until a few weeks ago I would have disagreed with you. 
And I still do... about 70%.
 
I don't think the existence of stuff like a few hoverboard flairs, a riding skill, or decor means they want to push CREDD sales by default.
But as I keep playing, I'm noticing the sheer number of goldsinks, and it's starting to smell a bit suspicious.
 
Now, I still have enough faith in Carbine to think this might be a misguided attempt to create exclusivity (things to strive for that you can show off to people who are less dedicated).
But I do see how it could be interpreted the way you do.
 
P.S.: Free speech rights don't mean jack on a privately owned internet forum. People need to stop bringing this up, it's ridiculous.	
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Before launch and until a few weeks ago I would have disagreed with you. 
And I still do... about 70%.
 
I don't think the existence of stuff like a few hoverboard flairs, a riding skill, or decor means they want to push CREDD sales by default.
But as I keep playing, I'm noticing the sheer number of goldsinks, and it's starting to smell a bit suspicious.
 
Now, I still have enough faith in Carbine to think this might be a misguided attempt to create exclusivity (things to strive for that you can show off to people who are less dedicated).
But I do see how it could be interpreted the way you do.
 
P.S.: Free speech rights don't mean jack on a privately owned internet forum. People need to stop bringing this up, it's ridiculous.
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Dear lord, the whine.. You. Do. Not. Deserve. Expert. Riding. Or Super Nova White etc. Ppl with the plat to spare can buy it if they want. Ppl without the spare plat can't. If you want it, get the plat. 
 
My lvl 15 alt has 20 plat for pities sake and I'm super casual. Don't even play every week. In 6 months time 80 plat won't be nearly as expensive. Epic riding in WoW cost 1000g - do you think ppl hit lvl 60 and hit up the mount trainer with their 1000g? Many ppl hit lvl 60 not even able to afford the lvl 40 mount! I have 50k on my main which is nothing in Pandaland. However it easily pays for riding etc. 
 
If you want the expensive things then obtain the plat. You can earn it in game, or if you demand it *now* you can sell CREDD. Personally I'd just make it in game. Horses for courses. What I wouldn't do is witter on about how expensive non-combat stuff was in a computer game.	
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Dear lord, the whine.. You. Do. Not. Deserve. Expert. Riding. Or Super Nova White etc. Ppl with the plat to spare can buy it if they want. Ppl without the spare plat can't. If you want it, get the plat. My lvl 15 alt has 20 plat for pities sake and I'm super casual. Don't even play every week. In 6 months time 80 plat won't be nearly as expensive. Epic riding in WoW cost 1000g - do you think ppl hit lvl 60 and hit up the mount trainer with their 1000g? Many ppl hit lvl 60 not even able to afford the lvl 40 mount! I have 50k on my main which is nothing in Pandaland. However it easily pays for riding etc. 
If you want the expensive things then obtain the plat. You can earn it in game, or if you demand it *now* you can sell CREDD. Personally I'd just make it in game. Horses for courses. What I wouldn't do is witter on about how expensive non-combat stuff was in a computer gaspeedbo]
If it was just expert riding I would agree with you. The only reason that kind of money exists in these games is not because of players farming but gold sellers. Your low level didn't get money from bashing monsters, I'm guessing from the ah? Resources didn't just create money , people created that money by questing and killing. I know my guildmatr got 80p in the first couple weeks. That would never have happen without all those speedbots.
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			Also I'd like to ask this question. Why aren't these character customizations linked to something like achievement points... I don't want to say it but, CREDD.	
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I continue to make money - no need for bots. Yes, it's from the AH/CX. It's called arbitrage. The bots had little effect on the CX. They unloaded everything into a vendor. Instant reward, and better money than the CX. 
 
The fact remains that in a couple of weeks of *very* casual play I have 20 plat on a lvl 15. My more hardcore RL mate has nearer 10x that on his lvl 15. 
 
In 6 to 12 months 80 plat to throw on a costume item won't be so unbelievable for a lot of ppl. You don't *need* it now. You may want it, which is nice - something to work towards. Goals are good. This one even lets you stand out from the crowd for a while! (Until everyone and their dog can afford it)	
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I continue to make money - no need for bots. Yes, it's from the AH/CX. It's called arbitrage. The bots had little effect on the CX. They unloaded everything into a vendor. Instant reward, and better money than the CX. 
The fact remains that in a couple of weeks of *very* casual play I have 20 plat on a lvl 15. My more hardcore RL mate has nearer 10x that on his lvl 15. 
In 6 to 12 months 80 plat to throw on a costume item won't be so unbelievable for a lot of ppl. You don't *need* it now. You may want it, which is nice - something to work towards. Goals are good. This one even lets you stand out from the crowd for a while! (Until everyone and their dog can afford it)
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Also I'd like to ask this question. Why aren't these character customizations linked to something like achievement points... I don't want to say it but, CREDD.
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			Why would you buy these items if you could buy 12 months of game time with credd for the price?	
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Why would you buy these items if you could buy 12 months of game time with credd for the price?
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Maybe you already have enough credd for a few years?
Right now, chances are the game will be either F2P or... gone by that point, so you don't need more most likely.
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HAHAHAHA no.
 
 
In terms of expensive items, there is no NEED for these items.
 
 
Games that have NEED items at outrageous prices are a cash.  Games that have extra fringes as a way to bring money out of the economy (money sinks) are doing it right.
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This is the news update you will see within 6 months of doing a new search for wildstar. Its shameful to see Carbine being forced to include CREDD inducing money grabs to an already paying community. It looks like this game was setup with the intention of failing as a purely sub based game, tho its not obvious, I'm sure there's a reason they took this approach.
 
If you don't know what I'm referring to I'll point out some of these outrageously priced items in the game and why they shouldn't cost what they do. First I would like to bring up expert riding skill. Expert riding skill currently costs 80plat. For anyone who has been doing their dailies and playing the endgame knows this is not cheap and will be mostly unaccessible to anyone who does not pay tons of money for in game gold. Some others I would like to point out are the strain hoverboard which goes for 100 plat and other flairs like spike hoverboard. These are early tell tale signs of a system catering to CREDD as there is no reasonable way to gather this amount of in game money. And why should everyday players be barred from content they are releasing that I have already paid for as in terms of my subscription. I can handle all the bugs and flaws in the game as they will likely be worked out, but this is not a bug, this is something much more sinister. Wildstars CREDD system was advertised as the best of both worlds, in reality it is the worst of both worlds.
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Or maybe, JUST maybe, it's content that you aren't really supposed to consume TODAY. The MOP tundra went for ~118k gold in WoW and I remember back in Vanilla thinking that the epic mount, which cost 900g, was nigh unobtainable. Stop assuming it's a money grab and use some common sense; it's something to work towards.
 
BTW, we had a guy in our guild who farmed trees and vendored them for ~week and bought the 80plat riding upgrade...so, if you think something that you can feasibly grind out in a week is a veiled money grab, you are just silly.
 
The reality is, if they had NOT put the items in and waited one year, no one would have blinked as the economy will have matured by then and inflation will kick in. But they put it in now, so we can see it, drool over and work for it. Man, what were they thinking??!!!
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