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I've been using the addon "The Zone" to snag them.
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			Why I see now way more teleport hackers compared to before the announcement of the added Hack/bot detection by Carbine or its just me?	
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			And now they've spread to overflow whitevale too, this makes 3/3 zones where I've tried farming ore on ravenous EU. This is starting to get at my motivation to play this game to be honest. I just stand by nodes reporting names all day as cheaters really annoy me. Some guy in zone chat was even telling us about how they have this same problem in guild wars 2 (also NCsoft) with botters traveling under ground and through objects to steal resources, I'm starting to worry they can't fix this	
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That looks like a decent addon, will have to try it tonight. 
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And now they've spread to overflow whitevale too, this makes 3/3 zones where I've tried farming ore on ravenous EU. This is starting to get at my motivation to play this game to be honest. I just stand by nodes reporting names all day as cheaters really annoy me. Some guy in zone chat was even telling us about how they have this same problem in guild wars 2 (also NCsoft) with botters traveling under ground and through objects to steal resources, I'm starting to worry they can't fix this
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That is JUST an NCSoft title. This is Carbine, who was purchased by NCsoft. NCsoft has "some" control over this game, but Carbine (their subsidiary) is the main "law" in this game. I don't think it will last much longer.
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Ah, that clears things up, and does make me feel a bit better about the issue:) Thank you.
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It's not available via curse anymore, I don't know why.
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So Carbine is saying allot of the bots are hacked accounts? Its SO easy for them to hack here yet not on ALL the other mmos where all you need is EMAIL and PASSWORD to play?
 
I dont get it? No again your telling me Carbine cant look at ANYONEs account that shows they signed in 2 days ago what IP yet today it took them 400 times today (IP) sign in? Lol again they cant just send you an email saying..HEY.. you just signed in from Russia yes?
 
Sorry but this is not NEW to NCSOFT/Carbine. They know all about gold sellers/bots how it works what they try to do yet they launch of a new MMO and they play naive. 
 
So real people getting banned that were not hacked yes. But sorry mass players saying there account was hacked is very easy to check unless the "TEAM" is just 1-2 people. Not saying it does not happen but haha again if it was this easy EVERY mmo would have this many bots if it was just hacked accounts. Think of ALL the places you are on (WEB SITES) with just EMAIL and PASSWORD that has more INFO BANK on and on yet you been there for YEARS! Yet here OMG they have to try to hack YOU that have what maybe 5 gold. So they can use your toon as a bot? Yet you picked the strangest name dwwwkwwk? A ok..
 
I do see them banning. Some names are still boting yet others are gone. Yet there are red flags that pop up for me. There are just way to many things Carbine can do yet do not. I would say more but//
 
Try asking the easy questions. How many real people are working on this? Not a bunch a few a team but how many? Why do you not answer about REAL live support or PHONE support or GM's in game? 
 
As time goes on we see more. We see they do not have enough man power. We have seen other mmos that had no support PUT in support a phone number. Yet for some strange reason they wont here yet they EXPECT you to keep PAYING even though it will take up to a week or MORE to EVER get an asnwer.
 
I am not like most. I expect something for my money. This is 2014 and we look out side and its NOT getting better. So to pay for a new mmo then pay $15 a month.. is great I can do that. Yet to then say you can never talk to us but only by MAIL. These are the STORES you NEVER shop at for a very good reason!	
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June 24, 2013
Thunderfoot sever
2 PM PST
Galeras map
mine botting at very high levels, very difficult to mine anything, multiple bots going after same nodes	
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We left out a key patch note the other day:
 
We’ve added additional logging and hack/bot detection into WildStar 
The first round of mass bannings for hacking/botting will happen tonight.  Thousands of accounts will be banned based on log crawls and cheat detection.    We’ve already banned numerous accounts over the last weeks based on player reports and GM investigations.
 
Thousands of other accounts are on a watch list – we’re actually pretty sure they’ve been hacking/botting.  In the interest in limiting banning potential innocents, we will be looking at past logs and monitoring future behavior to see if it’s repeated and ban accordingly.
 
Now, what will happen over the next few days:
Some folks will post over the next few days saying they were inappropriately banned.  They’ll fall into three categories:Many were actually hacking, and will stay banned.
Some won't know they were hacking but their accounts were compromised and have been used for gold farming. We will resolve these issues on a case by case basis.  PLEASE consider enabling two-factor authentication, this is way more common than you’d think.   https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/77290-account-compromise-and-re-securing-your-account/.
It's possible some weren’t hacking and were caught in the sweep by accident.  We’ll work to resolve those cases if they happen. Based on the reports, this shouldn’t be a category – but errors can happen, and in the interest of transparency, if it happens we’ll investigate and use that to refine our searches further.
We’ll also be further scrubbing the logs to get the next batch of folks.   And the next.
We’re also in the process of adding further click-and-report functionality to make it easier to report folks, and we’re working to automate as much of this as possible. There is no exact ETA on this, but it’s in the hopper.
 
After we ban the first batch, more will come back and their scripts and such will improve. Our logging will improve, and report tools will improve, and we’ll keep fighting this fight. 
 
(An aside, from a place of honesty here - I sincerely don’t understand the player that tries to level up by AFK botting - they make instanced Battlegrounds less fun, and we’re going to ban healthy percentages of them. This wastes money and time (both ours and theirs). And pisses you, the honest player, off.  Lose-lose-lose.  That being said, I don’t gotta understand the reasons behind such actions – they’re still going to get banned, we’re going to focus heavily on those going forwards.)
 
(Gold farmers I hate too, but at least I can understand the reasons behind their actions. They’re trying to make money by spamming, ripping off accounts, and gold, and wasting our support/dev time, which is unethical and borderline evil but at least rational.  I really suggest not buying gold from them if you actually care about such things).
 
In any case, we devs have been playing a lot of WildStar too, and have been annoyed as well by farmbots starting to appear at mining nodes, and by folks mucking up battleground games by AFKbotting. Both suck, and while there will be many stages to the war against these kinds of folks, it’s a battle that has to be fought even if it’s a distraction from what we’d rather be doing - adding content, fixing bugs, and making the game better.  We'll keep doing that as well despite the distraction.
 
Anyhoo, this is the first wave of what I’m sure will be an ongoing battle.  I don’t guarantee perfection, but I do guarantee we’ll do our part in the fight.   As for what you can do: if you keep reporting we’ll keep banning.
 
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			I think this CREDD thing needs to be checked. Well I just got the spam mail that in sup said %50 off on CREDD. This should NOT be happening	
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I think this CREDD thing needs to be checked. Well I just got the spam mail that in sup said %50 off on CREDD. This should NOT be happening
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It's happening because teleport botters are generating and injecting ridiculous amounts of platinum into the economy. The value of platinum is crashing more day by day. 
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Technically what they're doing is removing resources from the economy, causing players to be able to generate less. Assuming of course that they're gathering mats for crafting stuff to sell, or even to vendor. 
 
Anyway, the gold that the farmers are making doesn't enter the economy until someone buys it from their website. And it seems like the farmers are gathering so much that the price of plat on those websites has tanked over the past couple days from what I understand.
 
Anywho, these farmers are gathering mats through botting, selling them to the vendor for quick gold, and then selling the gold to people that buy it. 
 
And while I'm not optimistic enough to think that people aren't buying gold, the rate at which their buying, at least on my server, has to be less than the rate which the farmers are gathering. Because the price of CREDD is still steady on my server, suggesting that players still don't have enough plat to allow an increase of price to buy CREDD. 
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It's happening because teleport botters are generating and injecting ridiculous amounts of platinum into the economy. The value of platinum is crashing more day by day. 
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			As a reminder, please do not use this thread (or the rest of the forums) to name and shame or report botters/hackers/cheaters.	
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*This post is in reply to the guy that posted a video that got deleted because it was naming/shaming*
 
It is a waste of time to even report grinding bots for now. All it is doing of flooding the ticket system where Carbine is already overwhelmed. These grind bots are just normal players leveling or if they are farming gold for sell, they are no where near as bad as teleport bots. They make peanuts compared to teleporters and don't have any effect on players trying to do something. Not to mention as you can see it is poorly programmed so its making even less gold.
 
The worst part is these are the types of bots that will improve and blend in with normal players. This is the type of bots where there will be a bot war for the rest of this game's life. The good thing though is it is much easier to control. That is of course if Carbine kills off teleport botters.	
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As an avid gatherer, I'm finding it harder and harder to even find a node in the higher zones like grimvault and malgrave.
 
I used to be able to farm a good 50 ore in under an hour in any of these zones. Now I'm lucky if I gather 20 ore after a couple hours of leveling / gathering.
 
I miss the good old days in wilderrun and malgrave only a week after launch, when there were a lot less bots and A LOT more nodes around.	
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			Ok I understand this game is new, it's just out, and that new mmo's have growing pains.  However, this bot problem is out of hand.  Quit relying on the customers that pay to play this game and start doing your own work.  Its not hard to catch these bots.  Get someone to log in and sit in a area for 1-2 minutes and you will catch 2-3 at a time.  They blink in and out to damn fast to screen shot or report. Your staff knows this so quit relying on us to do your work.  Look at your logs and if they are zooming all over the map ban them already.  Your inaction is pissing your players off and killing crafting.  Not only are we loosing out on the resource but you are forcing us pay them for the resources your letting them collect.  Enough of this already.  Get your staff in there and start doing something about the problem already. If there is a level <15 zooming around collecting resources in 20+ areas there is a big glowing damn clue that you have a bot so do something.  I am on Evindrain in Galeras and there are 4 here now!  Stop giving away trial keys and lock this down until you get a handle on things.  Re-Subs are coming up.  You are going to loose people if you don't reign this in.	
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			I understand you don't want to name shame a account but if you guys aren't going to ban a bot or hunt them down, maybe bringing them out in here will help you find them.  You obviously need some help because honestly if you were successful at getting rid of the bots we would not see many even fighting over the same spawns than the previous day.  This is a huge problem and numerous suggestions have been made to which we have no reply but the standard boiler plate you keep pointing to as you shut down the numerous posts made daily about this problem.  Why can't carbine just place a gm in each area to watch them for a day or two.  Is it worth a few man hours to save the player base they are trying to grow?	
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			Days go by and the same bots fly around.  Its a little absurd to rely on housing gathering plots for your nodes.  Its impossible to get t1 and t2 anything, and from there on its a bit more optimistic.  Stop the bots plox.	
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Nail The Warpers in Wilderrun please.
 
/zone chat is always '*cupcake* hate damn botters and the conversation that follows between everyone there.	
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My son just told me and I dont know how true this is.. some guy was botting a way teleporting and says a GM came on whispers him to see if someone is really there.. they answers back the GM says thanks and lets him go.
 
If true this would explain allot.	
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I understand you don't want to name shame a account but if you guys aren't going to ban a bot or hunt them down, maybe bringing them out in here will help you find them.  You obviously need some help because honestly if you were successful at getting rid of the bots we would not see many even fighting over the same spawns than the previous day.  This is a huge problem and numerous suggestions have been made to which we have no reply but the standard boiler plate you keep pointing to as you shut down the numerous posts made daily about this problem.  Why can't carbine just place a gm in each area to watch them for a day or two.  Is it worth a few man hours to save the player base they are trying to grow?
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so it happens now ive seen bots taking all the farming resource.. this is just becoming a terrible joke.
 
tried to get a name but couldnt even target the bot with no name showing even though i have set my name plates to be displayed at all times..  So all this time being spent on a "right click" report button is just going to backfire spectacularly.	
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The same bots I reported earlier in the week are still farming. I thought more banning waves had been going out? They have been farming for like...five days.
 	
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The same bots I reported earlier in the week are still farming. I thought more banning waves had been going out? They have been farming for like...five days.
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so it happens now ive seen bots taking all the farming resource.. this is just becoming a terrible joke.
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I have the feeling this problem will be the Doom of Wildstar since Cougar and the others Dev are taking so lightly... they say are working on that blah blah blah, yet still to this day the number of bots have increase a lot economy of servers are been crash and still nothing from them, the Devs are listening yea they listen, still have not seen it. I gonna tell you a little story Wildstar Devs, I invite 3 friends to check the game last week they say was fun but when they go out of the starting zone they notice the flying players, the lack of nodes, and was hard to level they trade skill, they told me try to ignore it but was so bad that simple will stop playing... end of the story, no matter how much drop content you will do "strain" if you don't focus in fixing this there will no one that enjoy other that Bots, hackers and farmers, this game is grade but fills me with a lot fear how lightly you have take all this, at this point the Avatus Server is fill with bots like many servers and they pretty much are ruining the economy of them, maybe for you is not a big deal but soon people will get sick of this and they will stop playing and sadly they will talk back about Wildstar and will discourage new players and eventually Wildstar will fate into another great game with potential, and matter how much content and stuff you put people wont be happy simple because they can enjoy the game to the fullest takes to little thing like this. So you know what will nice hearing from you talking about this problems on the streams you do other that just joking around... Sadly the post done by CRB_GAFFER is nice and all the follow post by Cougar we are always watching are nice and but we are not seen it we are not, bots are not going, teleport hacks are not going down, the influx on items and economy crash on server is not getting better so what guy ??? really what are you doing to solve this or you are gonna wait until you super awesome Strain Drop to fix all this crap, when a nice portion of the gamer base is sick of having to buy stuff from bots on the AH and the CX, simple because they cant harvest the stuff the need thanks to hacks and bots, already 2 architect I know they say "we got sick of having to buy all the CX and using housing plots to get our material so we are done with architect " and you can be sure there are a lot more like them around that soon will get sick and eventually will stop playing.
Anyway WIldstar have a lot potential but sadly that means nothing if stuff like this dont get fix asap and more when they getting so bad, is not like you have to deal with one of two bots, is so bad that when resource nodes spawn there get instant mine by a bot, and using housing plots is not option is an extra of the game.	
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yep just like previous mmos ill be quitting if its not drastically improved by renewal date which is about a week away.
 
BOTS >>>>>>> ULTRA DROP. get the priorities right	
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yep just like previous mmos ill be quitting if its not drastically improved by renewal date which is about a week away.
 
BOTS >>>>>>> ULTRA DROP. get the priorities right
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Another day has gone by and the same bots are still running wild on Pago. People in my guild are already logging in less and less because they're running out of busywork to do while waiting for groups since the bots control all harvesting.
 
Sucks to see this happening because I REALLY like this game, but its scary to see such a dropoff in activity this soon. If this isn't handled soon the snowball effect will start, and I'm sure Carbine knows how bad that can get.	
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			If the devs were listening to this, they would have made some comment about how " they know the severity of the situation" and such, and at least give us some more updates on the whole shabang	
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Another day has gone by and the same bots are still running wild on Pago. People in my guild are already logging in less and less because they're running out of busywork to do while waiting for groups since the bots control all harvesting.
 
Sucks to see this happening because I REALLY like this game, but its scary to see such a dropoff in activity this soon. If this isn't handled soon the snowball effect will start, and I'm sure Carbine knows how bad that can get.
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It seemed like we were getting somewhere last night, acutally had a pvp round that wasn't 75% bots...
BUT today, THEY BACK. SAME BOTS I REPORTED OVER AND OVER FOR THE PAST WEEK.
 
 
 
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I am from Avatus as well and I have the same complaints.   I have reported the same bots every day for several days, those bots are still flying around in their stacks of four and five, perfectly in synq, and you are lucky to get a single piece of material before they show up and maul it... that is if you are lucky enough to find one in the first place, or get to it before they do.  I spent days in Wilderrun mostly because I am leveling along side someone else so it has been slow going due to time constraints.  I spent days getting automated responses from Carbine and then here is the kicker, I get e-mails asking for my opinion on the response to my Issue.  I really enjoy Wildstar, I really want to play ALL aspects of Wildstar but, with Bots destroying the economy and the ability to craft any sort of item for a reasonable amount of money in game... you cannot do it. A tier one item should not cost you multiple gold to make.  I am now in Malgrave and reporting a whole new set of bots, Six inside an hour may be a small number  but, it took me that long to figure out all of the names because they were moving as a stack.  I have received Guild invites, party invites, mail, and I don't know how much spam From the bots but the great thing about spam is you can ignore it.  What do you want us to do about the bots?   We can ignore them and not craft, or we can simply not play.  Those are ultimately the choices we are left with.
 
 
 
At this point I would be happy to get a real response from someone as well. Automated Responses that follow automated responses just do not cut it.  I just received 8 automated responses total. 4 about the original report that I made and 4 follow ups to the original Automated messages.  These are automated because they say the exact same thing in each, that is NOT customer support.
			
				
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Decided to give the benefit of the doubt again, logged in, did dailies, went to Grimvault to hopefully farm for a bit, and within 10 minutes 6 new bots and one bot that was reported several days ago on Avatus were still flying and teleporting around...
 
I'm not sure if the bot situation is more frustrating or infuriating. I like Wildstar even with its fair share of bugs and lack of esper balance. However, this bot thing is just ending up being the straw thats going to break the camels back. 	
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Another day of the problem getting worse.
 
Another day of silence from Carbine.  Customer NO service at its finest.
 
Carbine, at this point, you owe the community not only some kind of communication, but also compensation.  We are paying money to play this game, but you refuse to maintain a dialog with your customers.  Why is that (not that I really expect you to answer)?
 
Let me help you out here with a little hint as to what we are looking for:
Frequent updates as to what you are doing to fix the problem, and how it is progressing.  Frequent being multiple times per day.
Information on what is going to be done to repair the inevitably destroyed economy.
What you are going to do to compensate players.  By indication of this thread many of us can no longer play the portions of the game that were advertised features, and happen to be parts of the game we (used to) enjoy.  Crafting has become impossible at this point.
By ignoring us, you just look incompetent.  I'm sure that most of us on this thread would *like* to believe otherwise.  However, you said that you were working on the problem 5 days ago, and all that has happened is that botting has gotten significantly worse.  You don't tell us anything other than that you are banning accounts, but we see NO evidence of that.  In fact there is evidence to the contrary, as bots from 5 days ago are STILL harvesting.	
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This has gotten out of hand. With this many gold farmers and cheaters it is starting to hamper enjoyment of the game. While I understand being hush about  it, at least give us something without the same canned response. Or try to get rid of botters once a week.
It is almost impossible to get mats in some areas now, the losers who cheat in PvP has not really changed and to top it off there is no reason to try and craft because buying your mats from the AH/XC is just supporting the idiots. I understand all games have bots/cheaters, but this has gotten out of hand. While I am not upset at Carbine, the blame goes to the cheaters, the canned responses and no clear sign of anything really being done, besides hearsay, is getting frustrating.	
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			Name: Don MooserGuild: <M2G>Been speed hacking Crimson Badlands all day, opened many tickets.... go ban, impossible to farm	
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This has gotten out of hand. With this many gold farmers and cheaters it is starting to hamper enjoyment of the game. While I understand being hush about  it, at least give us something without the same canned response. Or try to get rid of botters once a week.
It is almost impossible to get mats in some areas now, the losers who cheat in PvP has not really changed and to top it off there is no reason to try and craft because buying your mats from the AH/XC is just supporting the idiots. I understand all games have bots/cheaters, but this has gotten out of hand. While I am not upset at Carbine, the blame goes to the cheaters, the canned responses and no clear sign of anything really being done, besides hearsay, is getting frustrating.
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Although right click to report is something that is handy in a game, in the instance of these teleporting bots it is not a very satisfactory option. 
 
These bots are moving too quickly to right click.  On the sheer chance that you happen to click on them, some of them have names that cannot be written down or remembered easily.  
 
I am highly doubtful of the Dev post saying that the bots are being banned daily because I often see the same ones everyday in the same zone. 
 
Although people have put the idea to issue limits on zones/levels and farmskills/levels, that will only solves a small fraction of the issue, i.e. putting a band aid on a larger issue.  I am leveling an alt in Algoroc and there were 4 bots there and they were the appropriate level (my meaning, the zone/level limit would not fix those bots).  
 
It is taking too long to fix these issues and in this case I can tell that some of the devs used to be from Blizzard because Blizzard has had some of the same botting issues for four+ years now. 
 
I purchased one month of re-up using in game currency and unless the bot situation is handled, I know I will not go another month after that.   Two months to fix an issue this devastating to the economy is plenty of time. 	
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My son just told me and I dont know how true this is.. some guy was botting a way teleporting and says a GM came on whispers him to see if someone is really there.. they answers back the GM says thanks and lets him go.
 
If true this would explain allot.
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The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly. That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously).
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			Loads of teleporting node hacking bots in Gallow - despite thousands were banned in WS according to Carbine - I still see many....	
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Name: Don Mooser
Guild: <M2G>
 
Been speed hacking Crimson Badlands all day, opened many tickets.... go ban, impossible to farm
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Loads of teleporting node hacking bots in Gallow - despite thousands were banned in WS according to Carbine - I still see many....
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			Last 7 days most of my ingame time i am in Malgrave farming Trigger Fingers AMP,only downtime is vet adventures and attunment quest for raid. Since am spent alot of my time there am found EXACTLY where farming bots spawn. Seweral times am watched how they spawn and fly around (yes,they fly) from one tree/ore nod to another. Am took screenshots and wondering should i fraps them? Any suggestion welcomed and sorry for my bad english,its not my native. Cheers.	
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Whelp another morning and another 5 bots found within 5 minutes of setting foot into Botvault (Grimvault). Actually managed to find a single untapped tree to harvest, only to have 6 bots pop up and zerg it down...
 
 
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Greetings to everyone in Wildstar!
 
The botting situation everywhere is getting out of hand, I understand that it takes awhile before the developers find a counter measure against the botters, and that is perfectly okay. However, I am getting really frustrated not only because there are botters around, but more of the fact that once the botters tag the tree/ore/relic and happen to aggro the mobs nearby, they just teleport/fly away after hitting the tree/ores/relic once. So even if, I happen to pass-by after awhile, and I feel so damn happy - without realizing I am looking at that same exact tree/ore/relic tagged by the bots, the loot doesn't come to me  :( since I wasn't the first one to attack it.  :(  :( The worse thing is, with the bots doing that all over the map and hitting everything once, and not successfully gathering it, the trees/ores/relic doesnt respawn..................... That was what just happen to me when I decided to go to farside and farm after trying malgraves and wilderrun. I chopped 12 trees, and only 1 of them, drop wood for me. So instead of having 12x4 = 48 wood (assuming each tree drop 4 wood), I ended up with only 4! Which brings me to my next question, Where do my fellow gatherers and I farm if this is the case everywhere? I really hope the developers can do something about this too..  :( 	
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Last 7 days most of my ingame time i am in Malgrave farming Trigger Fingers AMP,only downtime is vet adventures and attunment quest for raid. Since am spent alot of my time there am found EXACTLY where farming bots spawn. Seweral times am watched how they spawn and fly around (yes,they fly) from one tree/ore nod to another. Am took screenshots and wondering should i fraps them? Any suggestion welcomed and sorry for my bad english,its not my native. Cheers.
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If you're finding the bots, then are you tracking how they are "hacking"? Is this sweep including the harvest bots? Cause I have to say, there are still tons of them all over the place.  I see them flash across my screen constantly.
 
It's disgusting how these games are full of bots and spammers these days. I'm personally very disappointed in the inability of companies to block them more effectively.
 
And really, aren't these people illegally accessing your software to run these programs? Why don't all of these game companies ban together to go after these hacking botters and spammers?	
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"The thing that will help the most is right-click reporting; it helped clean up zone spam very rapidly.  That's in dev right now (approximate ETA is after the Strain Drop at the moment; we'd like it sooner obviously)."
 
No need to wait till sometime after next month, there's already a user made mod for game: http://www.curse.com/ws-addons/wildstar/221726-oneclickbotreport
 
Not that reporting bots get's them banned. Lots of name and shame from 2 weeks ago and they still there same spot in game...
 
 
 
Anyway, canceled my subscription. Bots being main reason. Other high contenders being 360ms to 6,000ms lag (Australian player). Bugs (Tho still live in hope that reported 1,100 bug fix's in strain patch will help).
There's over 40 friends of mine that have done the same for same reasons. (Some added questing is boring as here).
Kinda lame that I had to pay a month to get to play alfa after buying the game, and you haven't even thrown my 30 days free trial on my time... Also the hidden unsubscribe in trans history not subby page etc.
But anyway, more just purely heatbrokenly sad, soooooo much I love about WS. Think my time should last long enough to see Strain patch.  (If the dev's are listering, please fix by then I do want to throw $ at your game for years to come, but my heart & mind can't take it no more! Look at the wonderful job GGG have done with Path of Exile, they got 30 staff all up, and a free anyone can make an account game.)	
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			Zatara - Aimbot.Dont bother editing, ill add it again. :3Farmbots are farming for $$$ at least, unskilled aimbotters deserve to be named and shamed.	
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As a reminder, please do not use this thread (or the rest of the forums) to name and shame or report botters/hackers/cheaters.
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Can't decide if this is troll bait, or if this guy is just dense. Actually using gold farmers' services will only encourage more bots as they'll be making a profit, and this will hurt the game in the long run in addition to putting your account at even more of a risk of getting hacked. Please put this guy on the watch list and ban him if he contributes to the problem.
 
Also reported for listing price of the services.
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What i was trying to say is that carbine are hurting themselves with their incapability to fix the ongoing hacks regarding teleporting and mining nodes from anywhere on the map.
The result is that it's cheaper to buy gold from botters instead of paying carbine directly for adding more playtime to your account.
 
But thanks for intentionally getting me wrong. Besides I couldn't care less if I was put on any kind of "watch list" (if this even exists...) as I would never support the biggest annoyance most MMOs - including WildStar - have to offer, namely bots. 
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It was definitly not my intention to encourage anyone to buy gold from 3rd party websites, but i don't have the feeling that carbine are taking this seriously.
 
I want this game to be successful and had a lot of fun since I joined CB in november, but half of my friends already cancelled their subscriptions, most of them in the last week.
To me it seems that the "bot-situation" is getting worse from day to day instead of better. If this is not getting fixed within a week, i'm afraid this game will fail.
 
Lastly I want to add that i'm not a native english speaker, so please excuse any clumsiness in my wording which probably leaves room for misinterpretations... ;)	
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			I share your frustrations (and concerns). Lets just hope the devs rally and get the majority of them locked out before it's too late. I'm kinda hoping this problem is just for a short while until the developers come up with a solution. Kinda like how your body fights a disease. It gets in your system and keep multiplying until your defences take real notice of them and destroys them en masse. Here's hoping it happens before the disease kills the game.	
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i totally understand what he ment..
 
its getting to the point where its going to be nearly impossible to afford anything worthwhile in the game because of botters.  Carbine dont really care because if the economy is messed up and the only way for players to make money is buying credd to sell then its more $$$ for them.  Cash grab before F2P? certainly looking that way.	
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Just received a form letter concerning account compromises and how they will be handling restorations. Looks like they are still busy with the fall out of the initial ban wave. 
 
 
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Hello,
My name is Melissa and I am one of the Leads for the WildStar customer support team. I want to give you an update on where we are with account compromise restorations. Given the volume of these tickets and the type of update this will be sent as a form letter to share an update with where we are currently at with your and other player’s compromise tickets. This is a lengthy communication, but some of you have been waiting a number of days for an update. I also know that there are some folks that only want an update and aren’t interested in the background details. So my contact will have both cliffnotes and a breakdown with additional information to follow.
Cliffnotes:
 • Anyone that is getting this communication is receiving a set of gear that we’ve put together for your class and level. This allows us to get you back into the game and playing without waiting days. • We will not be able to offer you additional restorations once this is completed. We do not like to do this. For more on why, please read below to better understand the 2 stages of an account compromise restoration. • We will keep your ticket On-Hold so that you can tell when your ticket is being worked on and the set of gear has been granted. • If you have not added 2 Step Verification, and we provide you with a restoration, we may not be able to offer you additional restorations if your account were to become compromised again. Here is a link for 2 Step Verification
https://support.wildstar-online.com/entries/53257786-Two-Step-Verification-Setting-Up-and-Rewards
 The full details:
 At the moment we have account compromise tickets that are over 7 days old, and are still waiting for restorations. Some players have gear and are missing only money, where others have no gear and no money. Our team has been working hard to recover all players’ accounts to help get you back in the game and able to play in every case. Others have already received an initial restoration and are now asking for additional materials. Given the daily volume of new account comprises tickets is rising, we have had to adjust our views on how we approach these tickets. The alternative would be a wait time that may go over 7 days before you can get your first restoration. We do not want this, nor do we expect that you want to wait this long. We have worked closely with our developers to create a set of gear that all characters level 10 or higher will be given. These sets of gear take into consideration your class and that you need help getting back into the game and playing. Unfortunately because of the continued incoming volume and the amount of accounts that remain unsecured, this is the only restorations we will be able to offer you. We will start sending out these gear packages later today to each of your characters that are over level 10. If you do not already have 2 Step Verification on your account, I highly recommend you add it between now and when we begin to offer you the set of items for your characters. As we may not offer this again if your account becomes compromised again - https://support.wildstar-online.com/entries/53257786-Two-Step-Verification-Setting-Up-and-Rewards This is not the solution that we want to take (we want everyone to be back to where they were before being accessed), but this is the solution that allows us to take the second step in an account compromise investigation. Hunting down and catching the people that did this to your account. Players do not often think about the amount of time needed to track down the people that accessed and stole your items and gold and deal sift justice. Something that is also not commonly known, all of those gold sellers, boters and teleport hackers are most likely because of an account that was compromised. The Real Money Traders do not care about these accounts, they only care about having gold in their coffers so they can sell to players in game that support this trade. They benefit from players that do not have 2 Step Verification, so please also encourage your guild mates, friends and family to add 2 Step Verification to their accounts as well.  
We hope that you understand that this step is not the solution that anyone on our team wants to take. This is the step we are taking to prevent you from having to wait for days. And the benefit allows us to track down and act with justice against those accounts that benefited from your situation.  
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4- What the hell is "sift justice"?
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			Been running BGs this morning, at least 3 on the exile side every match so far.  Is it seriously that hard to ban these guys?	
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Day 5, and I am yet to get even an automated response from Carbine.
 
While many of you I am sure will play the "You deserved it!" card, this does still not change the fact that I DID NOT BOT/HACK yet I am getting punished for a crime I would never in a million years consider. While I do have the utmost respect for Carbine's attempt to get the bot problem removed once and forever, for the love of god test your system first so you don't produce these False Positives again!
 
Now I would appreciate it if my ticket could be looked at, even though I know full well this post will get me nowhere. #462522
 
For all those that will tell me to "suck it up as I got caught" I respond with this. Do you REALLY think I'd be this butt-hurt if I genuinely hacked? NO! I'd buy a new account and bot some more!
 
Either way, this will still not stop me from playing the game. I've developed too much of a love for it, and while its utter *BEEEEEEEP* that I'm being penalisedfor a crime I did no commit, I shall continue to play this game from a new account following the same gameplay I did before. NOT BOTTING, NOT HACKING AND NOT EXPLOITING!
 
Regards,
Betrayed Loyal Customer Since Beta
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JUSTICE!! To all the naysayers telling me I'm guilty and have been from the start. BOOOOOM! Just had a ticket update saying they are un-banning my account. Perhaps now you can start to realize that the mass ban DID pick up a large number of false positives and all the hate on anybody that even attempts to defend themselves is completely unwarranted.
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/sarcasm on
 
Come on guys. This are just bots. You know - they pay subscription so why would Carabine do anything about it ?? money is money. With new content coming out soon why would you bother about 20% of game population being bots ... 
And lost subscriptions ?? you know - people come and people go. And as Carabine surely wants to go F2P why would they bother with botters. I mean why would they allow botting to go like that for a week now if they not intend to become Free to Play in a few months due to low subscriber numbers.
 
/sarcasm off
 
I am still leveling and as I only play few hours a day (if i can) then home harvesting is enough for me own use and my few friends. But this is just so annoying. As most of us we had high hopes for this game. As most of us we are really enjoying this game. But Carabine is not doing ENOUGH to fix the issue.
 
its a shame we can't do a POLL posts, We would check how many players (i mean real players) would prefer to wait for BIG DROP another month but get the botters BANNED.
 
Every time i think about this issue i get frustrated at lack of action from developers. Looks like they are not listening any more ....	
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			yep.. tell frost we need another dev speak for getting rid of botters.	
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			Look over there! It's... a bird... a plane... N...no... It's just another bot.	
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			Yep, meanwhile it's impossible to gather in any zone post-Wilderrun with the bots running rampant.	
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From that context (and I'm not a native english speaker), it's pretty clearly a typo for swift justice.
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			I'm just pretty sure most of these "hacked accounts" are just going to head right back into botting. Granted there were some legit wrong bans, just feels like some being restored are attempts to game the system.	
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Congratz on getting your account back :) Do you have 2-step auth activated?
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I'm just pretty sure most of these "hacked accounts" are just going to head right back into botting. Granted there were some legit wrong bans, just feels like some being restored are attempts to game the system.
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			I honestly like this game but it's getting to a point were it's no fun. you can't make money at all cause bots are so bad. Im glade i  bought cred with the plat i made while it was cheap and i refuse to pay $15 a month for this game till its fixed.	
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"feels like"?  What that feels like to me is completely unsubstantiated opinion based on, well, nothing.  So,  in the interest of actually trying to understand why you would say that...
 
 
What is it that makes you "feel like" people being restored from false-positive bans are gaming the system? 
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So, Carbine....are you listening?
 
My wife decided to cancel her 3 month sub till this is fixed. I have already.
 
You need to fix your game. 	
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This thread is about them listening.
 
Honestly I find the mining bots annoying but not game breaking. Yeah, you don't get a node every once and awhile but there is no scarcity in the economy anyway, so having the extra materials on the CX doesn't really affect the prices. Right now they're vendoring them anyway.
 
If you're quitting because of the AFK bots in PvP ... then I understand. I hate those bastards.	
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This thread is about them listening.
 
Honestly I find the mining bots annoying but not game breaking. Yeah, you don't get a node every once and awhile but there is no scarcity in the economy anyway, so having the extra materials on the CX doesn't really affect the prices. Right now they're vendoring them anyway.
 
If you're quitting because of the AFK bots in PvP ... then I understand. I hate those bastards.
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Hello,
 
first off I want to state, that I'm not a native english speaker so please make a query if anything is unclear or could be misinterpreted.
 
I just want to know how likely is it, that like in GW2 some kind of community page has been comprised, and the ones using these bots, are working with the leaked accounts from the database? Referring to the post some pages ago, where Carbine states, that their support is busy for the next seven days to deal with the comprised accounts I highly doubt it, that all of them lost their account just by an unhappy coincidence. 2-Auth is fine and I recommend using it, but let's be honest, we all use the simple authentication by email+password on a daily basis - hell even my bank account doesn't require more - and we don't lose everything in the blink of an eye. 	
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2-Auth is fine and I recommend using it, but let's be honest, we all use the simple authentication by email+password on a daily basis - hell even my bank account doesn't require more - and we don't lose everything in the blink of an eye.
 
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i just used the /who command in grimvault (tells you who is in your vicinity and what level etc) there was about 50, of which around 40 were levels 1-40.
 
that's epidemic level botting right there.	
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			in fact that could be a pretty easy way to catch them all fairly quickly. no way anyone below 40 should be in grimvault unless they're in a pretty large levelling group or something.	
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This isn't "every once in a while not being able to get a node", that could/would happen with another player. This is getting 1 in 50, because 49 are taken by toons so low level they should be instantly murdered by mobs. Do you craft? Do you know how mat heavy some professions are?
 
They are vendoring the mats, not putting them on the CX, first for fast cash, and second to not leave as big a trail. They are taking materials out of an economy by doing this, which means it is going to get harder and harder to get anything off the CX without paying 100x's more than you should, and if you try to farm yourself, you will find you are screwed. 
 
I haven't pvped yet, but the stories in chat alone make me want to punch a baby.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy3JGtgQlh4
 
2 days ago. whatever you did didnt work.	
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			My least favorite thing about the bots thus far is their ability to teleport.  I understand that bots are going to happen to some degree, but these bots dont even travel at normal speeds/by normal means.  It's not just that someone has created an account to act as a bot, it's that the bot is somehow capable of speed hacking/teleporting/no clipping across the entire map, which means that exploit is probably available to other non botters as well.  It's just disconcerting to see this sort of hack be available	
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A thousand times, this.
 
If the bots aren't infuriating you, it's because the problem isn't affecting you directly, probably because you don't craft.
 
Those of us to DO craft are being screwed by this. You have NO IDEA how infuriating it is to be running up to a node, only to have a bot zip up, steal it near instantly, and then zip away.
 
I'm astonished that Wildstar didn't ship with means to prevent speedhacking, let alone that it's taken them THIS LONG to fix it.
 
And FYI, I've not noticed a drop in bots, at ALL, even after these alleged bans.
 
Hope they're not sandbagging because RMT companies hold stock in NCSoft like they did with Aion...
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This thread is about them listening.
 
Honestly I find the mining bots annoying but not game breaking. Yeah, you don't get a node every once and awhile but there is no scarcity in the economy anyway, so having the extra materials on the CX doesn't really affect the prices. Right now they're vendoring them anyway.
 
If you're quitting because of the AFK bots in PvP ... then I understand. I hate those bastards.
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lol well whatever you did, it was severely insufficient. 3 days same farm bot same location killing cows. 3 reports over 3 days and no action. I love how a moderator is able to lock my post in 3hrs and no one can get the bot that's been on for 3 days.
 
YOU ARE LOSING THE WAR.... and soon players to this....	
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If you ban a bot, what do you think the RMT is going to do first with 3 7-day passes?
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Your email is not that attractive a target. It isn't easily turned into cash. Best bet is typically some sort of identity fraud where they con your friends into sending the money. It still happens.
 
Bank accounts and credit cards are frequently abused.
 
MMO accounts are also easily turned into cash and they are frequently abused. That doesn't mean everyone is getting hacked all the time.
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I do respect the fact that they are taking massive action against the botters/hackers in the game right now. But what bothers me is the countless number of people that were wrongfully banned and have lost complete access to all of their account access (I am typing this from a new account because i cant even post on the original one). I am one of those wrongfully banned individuals who is now forced to miss out on a large amount of play time because of how long it takes to get a response to my Ticket. WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR THIS GAME! and to be banned with no warning, no email explanation, nothing, is completely uncalled for. I do understand other people are having issues as well, but if they can play the game still then their ticket should be put on the back burner. Carbine really needs to prioritize those who were banned wrongfully and get the situation handled ASAP. I don't want to wait around for weeks and lose out on that play time with zero compensation, CARBINE YOU REALLY need to look out for your loyal players, i understand accidental bans will happen but having to wait this long for a resolution to that problem is unacceptable. I love the game but if I have to suffer through this BS I want a refund and ill go take my money elsewhere!
I DO HAVE the 2 STEP AUTHENTICATOR SINCE DAY ONE
And i NEVER gave out my trial passes.
 
Ticket# 520843
Realm: Rowsdower	
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md5 checksum the exe and addons against the server. (better vetting for addons)
Two step verification should be phone number and pin. (not everyone owns a smart phone.)
 
Try and fix this soon because I'm about too bail.
 
I'm not sure what the excuses developers can surmise when it comes down too it. If you "build" it they will hack so what exactly was your plan to begin with? None?	
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They are vendoring the mats, not putting them on the CX, first for fast cash, and second to not leave as big a trail. They are taking materials out of an economy by doing this, which means it is going to get harder and harder to get anything off the CX without paying 100x's more than you should, and if you try to farm yourself, you will find you are screwed.
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I just want to know how likely is it, that like in GW2 some kind of community page has been comprised, and the ones using these bots, are working with the leaked accounts from the database?
 
we all use the simple authentication by email+password on a daily basis - hell even my bank account doesn't require more - and we don't lose everything in the blink of an eye. 
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 (not everyone owns a smart phone.)
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So...I spend three weeks reporting botters, wasting incalculable game time, even go as far as providing Carbine video proof and feedback on the bots, and they're still there. 
 
I'd really like to believe they know what they're doing, but it doesn't seem like they do. 	
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A thousand times, this.
 
If the bots aren't infuriating you, it's because the problem isn't affecting you directly, probably because you don't craft.
 
Those of us to DO craft are being screwed by this. You have NO IDEA how infuriating it is to be running up to a node, only to have a bot zip up, steal it near instantly, and then zip away.
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			The problem is getting much worse, not better.	
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So...I spend three weeks reporting botters, wasting incalculable game time, even go as far as providing Carbine video proof and feedback on the bots, and they're still there. 
 
I'd really like to believe they know what they're doing, but it doesn't seem like they do. 
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There are less than 200 of them.  Which of those did you think was going to come and personally ban your specific bots?  I don't intend to be rude, I'm just noting that all the bailing water isn't going to help until they plug the hole.  It's a very, very temporary fix.  Obviously, they're banning daily and not making a dent.
 
Wait until they get their fix created and tested so that everyone that encounters a lag glitch doesn't get automatically banned.  There's a right way to fix the problem, and it's not something they can do by monitoring forums and personally investigating every single report.
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So...I spend three weeks reporting botters, wasting incalculable game time, even go as far as providing Carbine video proof and feedback on the bots, and they're still there. 
 
I'd really like to believe they know what they're doing, but it doesn't seem like they do. 
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			I would wager that if you had a GM spawn a large-ish patch of plants and just sat there for a couple minutes he could catch dozens of botters. At least this way you guys could see first hand how much of a freaking problem this is.	
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I do respect the fact that they are taking massive action against the botters/hackers in the game right now. But what bothers me is the countless number of people that were wrongfully banned and have lost complete access to all of their account access (I am typing this from a new account because i cant even post on the original one). I am one of those wrongfully banned individuals who is now forced to miss out on a large amount of play time because of how long it takes to get a response to my Ticket. WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR THIS GAME! and to be banned with no warning, no email explanation, nothing, is completely uncalled for. I do understand other people are having issues as well, but if they can play the game still then their ticket should be put on the back burner. Carbine really needs to prioritize those who were banned wrongfully and get the situation handled ASAP. I don't want to wait around for weeks and lose out on that play time with zero compensation, CARBINE YOU REALLY need to look out for your loyal players, i understand accidental bans will happen but having to wait this long for a resolution to that problem is unacceptable. I love the game but if I have to suffer through this BS I want a refund and ill go take my money elsewhere!
I DO HAVE the 2 STEP AUTHENTICATOR SINCE DAY ONE
And i NEVER gave out my trial passes.
 
Ticket# 520843
Realm: Rowsdower
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I would wager that if you had a GM spawn a large-ish patch of plants and just sat there for a couple minutes he could catch dozens of botters. At least this way you guys could see first hand how much of a freaking problem this is.
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They are focused on the strain drop at the moment. Once its done im sure they will do something, but for now, they are more focused on content... (i have no idea why...)
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They are focused on the strain drop at the moment. Once its done im sure they will do something, but for now, they are more focused on content... (i have no idea why...)
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It's pretty damn ridiculous that there's speedhacking in this game at all, considering it's popped up in many other MMOs.
 
This is like building condos with no fire extinguishers and acting surprised when it burns down.	
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			You can pretty much stand at any spawn location and catch 50% of them. -.-	
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I hated WoW's MOP for being soooooo gated content, but forcing me doing the stupid retarded sound puzzles would be a reason for dumping WildStar.  The entertainment value of the game is not worth for me to drag through this scripted, gated none sense.
I considered addons like Simple Simon or TapThat as quality of life improvements, but it's obvious the people enjoying these kind mini games consider it as cheating.  Any religious extremist  will consider the rest of the world as unworthy, if they do not exactly live by the rules. 
To all the religious puzzle and riddle extreemists : Feel free to to play all the puzzles you like, but please do not push it at player, who do not like the puzzles!
Carabine is shooting into their own foot by banning players for using addons like Simple Simon or TapThat.  Let's push it to the extreem, addons like AuraMastery or addons for managing bag space and inventory should then be banned also!  They simplify playing the game, they take out the challenge of manage your resources, they must be banned!  Again, dear Carabine developer I don't like your sound puzzles.  Don't force me to play them, don't patronize me, stop gating me!  There is a fine line between a hacker, and a player, that does not like your gated content.  Putting them into the same pot is not the fine thing to do.	
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Point is, Gaffer said they were banning daily. And I've been reporting them for at least two weeks before the initial ban wave. So they should have been on the watch list/ban list if they're doing what they claim they're doing. 
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What place in line do you think you're in?  If they're as prevalent as they sound for you, what precisely do you think the process is by which they come to your reports, mine the raw data for movement calculations, then instigate a ban?  Do you think this is a quick process?  How many bots do you think they can get through in a single hour, much less day?  And what process takes your report ticket to Carbine at all?  Would they leave some bots up to observe their behavior so they know how better to track it for a mass banhammer?  Does simply banning accounts even solve the problem for more than a few minutes?  Would banning a thousand names put anything but a temporary dent into an RMT operation that may also be hacking accounts and, by the ban, causing more support tickets as hacked account holders complain (as exists in other threads)?  Is it more important to ban them on the servers where they are the heaviest and wait on servers where they are less of a problem?  Can they even be that targeted in their approach?
 
These are questions you need to ask before you can call out "Carbine" for ignoring the botters you've seen on your server.
 
 
 
It pops up in every game regardless of how much it's safeguarded against.  Hell, it happened in Battlefield 2, so it's not even endemic to just MMORPGs.  Scripted head-shots have existed forever.  So have noclip patches.  And those were much less complex games than MMORPGs.
 
I think what took Carbine by surprise was the floor dropping out of CREDD.  The ability to sell CREDD, I think they thought, should mitigate these issues.  Now that goldfarmers can mine resources through vendors cheaper than you can buy CREDD with, Carbine has to handle a problem of a much more broad scope.  Whatever tools they have in place aren't enough to handle an account and its three guest accounts for their box price.  That means you have to ban four, rather than one, account when you see them botting.  And you can't just kill everyone's guest pass that's attached to a hacker, because hacks are often done on hacked accounts.  Imagine getting banned because your buddy that got you into the game didn't use authentication and got hacked.
 
Carbine's not blameless, as you said it's a pretty significant vulnerability.  They could have been better prepared.  But I expected hackers anyway.  Newly released games are the easiest to hack (there's less security and blockage in place) and the easiest to make real money off of (because there are a lot more unscrupulous new players that will buy plat or botware just after launch).
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I'm just going to point out that if you actually read, I said I've been reporting them for at least three weeks and they have not been banned. This was well before the initial ban wave. This was when the bots first started showing up. So my point in the queue shouldn't be an issue. 
 
You're clearly are a Carbine apologist and nothing will change your mind. The fact of the matter is that Carbine should have expected and prepared for this and they clearly didn't. If you google Wildstar Hacks you'll see discussions on how Carbine basically has no protection against these types of programs/scripts. 
 
This is unacceptable. Their responses are unacceptable. Their actions are unacceptable. And nothing you can say will change those facts. And nothing I say will change your mind.
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It's pretty damn ridiculous that there's speedhacking in this game at all, considering it's popped up in many other MMOs.
 
This is like building condos with no fire extinguishers and acting surprised when it burns down.
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Quickly losing respect for Carbine as they keep thread-locking every single repeat Bot thread but none others.  Like they are hiding the fact this game is rampant with bots and they don't seem to care.
 
I've reported about 10 just today with my limited time of play and very quick clicking to even catch a name.
 
They are OUT OF CONTROL.  There's virtually zero nodes in Wildewrrun.  If you find one, it'll be bugged, have no resources in it, or 1 pip.  My personal playing expereince is drastically affected by this Carbine.  Fix it.	
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My brother was banned for illegal 3rd party program. He does not bot. His guy is only 30 due to work/family. This is very disappointing. He helped in many betas and bought the deluxe addition and now his account is closed. Every mmo from EQ on wards and now Wildstar bans him out of the blue.
 
He has contacted support and got an automated response telling him to leave a message. I suspect they are going to be incredibly busy. Not sure what to think about this, this is the 1st time I've genuinely been pissed off at Carbine.
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This is why there is another option for those who do not.
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We do not. They are being very vague. That is also no help. Tell the people EXACTLY what got them banned. How can one cease to do something that they don't know is wrong? It's just being handled improperly all around. But maybe they will make it right. But why even allow Add-ons if you're going to do something like this? 
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			So I see a 2 new servers thought oh I'll check it out Oris (spelling) and the second you get in.. gold seller right there all ready. Still there .. NEW PLAYERS get to see this 1st	
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Quickly losing respect for Carbine as they keep thread-locking every single repeat Bot thread but none others.  Like they are hiding the fact this game is rampant with bots and they don't seem to care.
 
I've reported about 10 just today with my limited time of play and very quick clicking to even catch a name.
 
They are OUT OF CONTROL.  There's virtually zero nodes in Wildewrrun.  If you find one, it'll be bugged, have no resources in it, or 1 pip.  My personal playing expereince is drastically affected by this Carbine.  Fix it.
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Absolutely. There needs to be at least one thread in GD where people can discuss this. Having it all here out of sight and out of mind isn't doing anyone any favors.
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Absolutely. There needs to be at least one thread in GD where people can discuss this. Having it all here out of sight and out of mind isn't doing anyone any favors.
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If this isn't cleared up a lot more people are going to start quitting.  
 
And I'm hardly the gloom and doom type.  It's ridiculous right now.  	
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Yeah. Another irrelevant post. Did you read the question put to me that allowed for the response? Read more.
 
I said that  know these people IRL. Real friends can be trusted. If one of them tells me they aren't cheating then I can trust that they are not. I don't live 100% of my life online. So I am not worried about getting catfished by folks that I know in person. I don't have to see them 24/7. That's just silly.
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Quickly losing respect for Carbine as they keep thread-locking every single repeat Bot thread but none others.  Like they are hiding the fact this game is rampant with bots and they don't seem to care.
 
I've reported about 10 just today with my limited time of play and very quick clicking to even catch a name.
 
They are OUT OF CONTROL.  There's virtually zero nodes in Wildewrrun.  If you find one, it'll be bugged, have no resources in it, or 1 pip.  My personal playing expereince is drastically affected by this Carbine.  Fix it.
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No, it's more like building them from wood and then they burn. One thing you haven't seen much if any of in Wildstar is "rubberbanding"; I would submit that this is because the game uses client-side position reporting like most action MMOs do. So it isn't so much that they don't have tools for catching people who hack or aren't trying to, it's more that the way the hackers are doing it is baked into the way the game is built.
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I remember when Aion started and all the bots running around, it was crazy.  My friend and I leveled together and used to run around the bots or when we wanted to go AFK for a few minutes we'd sit in the bot's path so we would be safe from something killing us (since the bot would take care of it for us).
 
Then the ban hammers started coming and in one of the first waves my friend was banned.  "OMG Dude!  They banned me!"  "Like I would ever bot!!!  Dude, you play with me every night... support my appeal!"
 
Long story short, he got his account back after about a week, maybe it was 5 days.  That was ages ago.  Just a few months ago he admitted to me that he actually had been botting, mostly out of curiousity.  During the whole banning thing he was convincing that he never botted, beside himself with anger at the thought they'd ban him.  "I hate botters!!!" 
 
Guess you can never tell who may be botting, even if its a good friend.	
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I don't understand why there hasn't been a level cap put on the higher level areas like Wilderrun. There's a level limit on Crimson Badlands and there are abosolutely no bots there ever. This is a simple way to fix the issue (at least temporarily) and it's still not been done. 
 
PLEASE IMPLIMENT THIS CHANGE IT WILL HELP THE SITUATION A LOT	
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I understand that they don't allow people to post other names who they suspect are bots. But I really don't understand why that one thread got insta locked about a way to report bots by using campfire as settler. You would expect they would applaud this solution so that they can find the bots more quickly. 
 
It raises some serious eyebrows that that thread got locked, honestly.  
 
The worst part is, you should see WS twitter, they can tweet something every damn hour, go on their twitch TV ( which btw never gets announced on the forum ) and they can talk about their strain 'rehash map " drop. But they can't even tweet how what or when they or gonna fix this. 
 
And it irks me that we have no ingame GM's who could solve 70% of the bots instantly. They should be able to afford atleast 2 per server. 	
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			can we get the dev responses for bots in here since this is the thread that YOU created and every other related thread is being closed because we have this "mega thread".	
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I understand that they don't allow people to post other names who they suspect are bots. But I really don't understand why that one thread got insta locked about a way to report bots by using campfire as settler. You would expect they would applaud this solution so that they can find the bots more quickly. 
 
It raises some serious eyebrows that that thread got locked, honestly.  
 
The worst part is, you should see WS twitter, they can tweet something every damn hour, go on their twitch TV ( which btw never gets announced on the forum ) and they can talk about their strain 'rehash map " drop. But they can't even tweet how what or when they or gonna fix this. 
 
And it irks me that we have no ingame GM's who could solve 70% of the bots instantly. They should be able to afford atleast 2 per server. 
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I understand that they don't allow people to post other names who they suspect are bots. But I really don't understand why that one thread got insta locked about a way to report bots by using campfire as settler. You would expect they would applaud this solution so that they can find the bots more quickly. 
 
It raises some serious eyebrows that that thread got locked, honestly.  
 
The worst part is, you should see WS twitter, they can tweet something every damn hour, go on their twitch TV ( which btw never gets announced on the forum ) and they can talk about their strain 'rehash map " drop. But they can't even tweet how what or when they or gonna fix this. 
 
And it irks me that we have no ingame GM's who could solve 70% of the bots instantly. They should be able to afford atleast 2 per server. 
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There's a couple problems with that.  First of all, how much does Carbine want to get specific about bots and how/when they'll fix them.  We know ASAP, but there's not much reason to tell the botters what they're going to do exactly so they can get a headstart on the next round of bots and hack patches.  So they definitely won't say 'how' they'll fix it or specifically what date they're going to implement a hotfix.
 
I'm not sure why we need 50 different threads on bots and hackers.  One's better.  You can go here for information, announcements, and to talk about it.  Obviously, flooding the support system with reports probably isn't helping much at this point, since banning is going to be almost worthless.  They're essentially setting up four bots per account with guest passes.
 
I imagine level restrictions on ore will be in our future, as will some kind of server-side coordinate log.  It's the only real way to plug the gap.  Sitting around banning bots isn't more than a blip on an RMT's radar.  How many hours do you think a bot needs to be active to make enough sellable gold that its operator can buy another game box?
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we should have a way to link a youtube video or recording to a support team and with that evidence we want that account suspended almost straight away (within the hour if im honest).. feel free to investigate and decide if it warrants a perm-ban but anyone caught hacking with video evidence should be suspended straight away NOT WEEKS LATER.  I suspect the community will be willing to do alot of the work if it means that we see a swift end to a bot when discovered.
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we should have a way to link a youtube video or recording to a support team and with that evidence we want that account suspended almost straight away (within the hour if im honest).. feel free to investigate and decide if it warrants a perm-ban but anyone caught hacking with video evidence should be suspended straight away NOT WEEKS LATER.  I suspect the community will be willing to do alot of the work if it means that we see a swift end to a bot when discovered.
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it's pretty clear now that the scale of the hacking (and in such a short time, literally overnight a massive increase in hacked accounts was widely reported) cannot be due to some people being careless with passwords, malware on computer etc, but a pretty massive security leak/hole. why is no one assuming ncsoft/carbine's security is airtight. after all, they made plenty of other bugs and mistakes in the game itself.
 
the devs need to make a statement on this as i'm sure they know more.	
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doesn't matter how much you defend them over this, if they would take the matter serious they could atleast disable guest passes for now, or could they temporary put in GM's just so that the player base could play the content. Untill they fix it. 
 
They shouldn't have made the server security something something client side  ( because that's why they are running rampant ) this is a beginner mistake, which they should have known. 
 
And one more thing, all these people are using the same software pack, as I said previous, it took me 5 minutes to find the forum and to know what software they use( And I have no clue about hacking) the creator said it took em nearly a year to wright this program. So yeah, they can stop and stop em for a while untill they find a solution. 
 
All in all, what i'm trying to say, if they really took this botting serious they could do some really drastic solutions, there's always a way. 
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I needed a mining character to feed my Architect so off I went to Algeroc to level up. In over 30 minutes I got one node and only because it instaspawned after the bots left it.
 
I reported 8 unique bots by standing in one spot for 5 minutes and noting names.
 
If it travels at warp speed, flies or teleports around, including through geometry, then it's a bot. This is pretty obvious stuff.
 
If you (Carbine) want to hold off as part of some grand investigation then that's your descision to make. The reality is that it is completely impossible to gather plants, relics, lumber or ore in that zone on my server. These locusts are stripping resources from your current or prospective subscribers while you work on right-click reporting functionality (which I didn't need to report bots and would be useless anyway due to the speed they travel at).
 
I'm now trying to work out how long it's going to take to skill up via a Tier 1 FABkit because that's the only realistic option available to me.	
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Stop and re-read what you just said.  On the surface, sure, a reactionary response makes sense.  But instituting in-game GMs and their requisite tools would take some time to work out; they'd need their own UI.  All software has a lot of client-side functions, and even if they could fool the server-side security for a few hours (which they can do in almost every game), they would still be around.  Guest Passes are necessary to give people a shot in their game; a lot of guest passes are used by potential players as most game boxes are bought by players, not RMTs.  You can't cut off your free trial support, rush in an exploitable security system or a buggy security system, or outright ban whatever you can detect that resembles their movements (since obviously NCSoft can't back-hack your computer and see if you own a bot program), unless you can be sure you aren't banning innocent players or bugging your game.
 
Very often, the drastic solution sounds great but doesn't work.  The solutions that do work need time for development, testing, and implementation.  It's not that bots aren't annoying and that Carbine/NCSoft/et al aren't working on the problem however they can.  You just don't want to kill the patient with the cure.
 
You can definitely say they should have seen this coming and lambast them for not having prepared for exactly this kind of hacking (especially if they used client-side movement).  That's understandable.  But I don't think banning all guest accounts or giving their customer service contractor immediate game management power are necessarily good solutions.  The best they can do is try to implement better movement tracking tools for the server-side that can't be touched by the client, maybe making investment time for mining more difficult by adding class level restrictions to mining nodes, and maybe developing an easy tool for whatever contractor NCSoft uses for customer service that lets them more easily track the people flying around.
 
There are still a lot of ways that a potential quick fix could make the problem a lot worse.
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Isn't their parent company the same as Guild Wars 2.  GW2 had this same issue, with the warping node, farmers.  Yet at some point they finally put the smack down on this exploit/hack.  You'd think they could ask them how they locked out that exploit already.  Also why not  just get your ass in game, go to the nodes in Wildrun, and catch them in action.  You could quickly eradicate those bots...  I want to be able to gather recourses too, while I'm leveling, but in Wildrun, good luck finding a mining node out in the open.
 	
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			I just finished another circuit attempt in Grimvault and pulled down only about half a dozen plants while coming across 7 unique bots. This situation is completely intollerable. A couple of them were ones that I started reporting last week when I first saw them. They've been at this every single day since and still going.	
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They're supposed to be doing drops monthly, based on their plans. So after the strain part 1 there's the strain part 2. Are we going to sit here and go, "well, they'll deal with the botters after the next drop...oh...wait, the next one after that"?
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They could also try maybe level-gating the later zones to keep the low-level bots out.
 
Say if a zone's quests start at level 20, then you need to be 17 or higher (the level range to actually GET the quests) to even enter the zone.
 
Admittedly that won't help the level 6-15 zones, but it might be a start at least for the later ones.
 
It could be implemented on any zone that initially needs a taxi to get to, such as Whitevale, on up.	
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They could also try maybe level-gating the later zones to keep the low-level bots out.
 
Say if a zone's quests start at level 20, then you need to be 17 or higher (the level range to actually GET the quests) to even enter the zone.
 
Admittedly that won't help the level 6-15 zones, but it might be a start at least for the later ones.
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As others have said, FIX what is making the current version of the game unplayable or that has a high annoyance factor for players, and postpone drops of new content until major problems like botting are dealt with. Development resources need to be deployed effectively to make current paying customers happy. Those customers are your best revenue generators over time. Players who race to endgame and keep expecting something new to keep them entertained are the most fickle players in the MMO universe. Longevity is built on players who get into crafting and housing and auctions.
 
The bots are ruining the game for these players. Maybe fixing the botting issue isn't easy, but it definitely is worthwhile.
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It is a shame that there is botters and hackers, But i was thinking of some way to mess up there farming routes etc. here is 1 of the things some players found that could give them enough time to get the name of the bot to be able to report them.
 
Place a fire near the nodes, once they teleport to it, your logs will have the name of who got heal by the fire :)  Then report them!
 
Also 1 thing Carbine could do is change the script for the nodes and all other things that spawns in the game world for crafting like plants etc, and make it so that they spawn at random location and at different time in the world. Never at the same place at all and never in the same amount of time. eg: once at 10sec interval the next spawn time in 30 sec interval, next one after that inside 20 sec interval, etc. change the amount of time of the spawn to random amount of time.
 
I know the map and mini maps shows the location of those nodes or items needed for crafting so no need for any addons here and that will also mess up the scripts those bots use to teleport to the location of the nodes itself. Plus we already know that the botters have ways to decrypt the files the client portion of the game has so they just look in there for the codes of the location of the nodes or go in game and record where they are by playing the game normal and put it in the script for there bot to use but in this case if they spawn randomly ( never at the same location and never at the same interval and if there is no way to use the map or mini map to record with the bot the location and time of the spawn they are in a bind at this point ) to push it further Carbine could put those type of script server side only and not on the client side , that will even mess it up further for them.
 
Well i hope this ideas are good enough to help prevent even more botters to play. See you in game guys	
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FYI, From Cougar:
 
 
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We are working extremely hard at removing them, individually and systemically.
 
All this clandestine stuff is hard to publicize and give the necessary comfort and transparency to the players that battles are being won and we won't stop until the war is won.
 
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FYI, From Cougar:
 
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No disrespect, but at the amount of threads being closed, and people really getting fed up with the bots, i'm not sure the battles are being won. Just my opinion tho, as always I could be so far from the truth. 
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FYI, From Cougar:
 
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FYI, From Cougar:
 
All this clandestine stuff is hard to publicize and give the necessary comfort and transparency to the players that battles are being won and we won't stop until the war is won.
 
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Threads are being closed really only because it doesn't make sense, either for the devs or the players, to have a bunch of threads about the same issue spread out all over the place. 
 
I'm not trying to stop people from talking about the issue, because it is a big issue, it just works much better if it happens in one place. And it's also not an indication of success or failure against the bots. Mainly because that's not my area.
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Ive only been playing a week and seem to be the only person who hasn't seen any Bots farming ore/plants etc. I do however keep getting arena invites from gold spammers 100g/£15 or w/e...a friend in our kin made more gold selling credd than the gold spammers offer, I cant see why people would buy it.
 
Anyways im glad to see something is being done, but can anyone point me to a post or something that shows which addons are classed as hacking/cheating?...people getting banned by mistake has made me wary of installing any more.	
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Ty for replying, I like that, I know you are doing your job, and you are doing it good, given what a moderator is meant to do :). ( So i'l repeat, no disrespect here). But color me skeptical, only time will tell, actions speak louder then words. 
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Fair enough. You have every right to be skeptical. Don't give up on us just yet, though.
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Devs lurking the forums and instant locking threads they don't like, they Should just camp the zones and bann botters instead :>
Tho the post from my thread that was locked
 
Hey
Just bann ALL accounts :D and the ones who request their accounts back aren't botting, since why would a company send in a ticket to get a account they don't own unbanned? or maby they would take closer looks at some logs before unbanning people
 
Sure might take a few months too unbann all those wrongly banned, but it would be worth it too remove them right? Until the botters start hacking accounts again, so just bann everyone every month or so :D?
 
Best solution ever right?	
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Ive only been playing a week and seem to be the only person who hasn't seen any Bots farming ore/plants etc. I do however keep getting arena invites from gold spammers 100g/£15 or w/e...a friend in our kin made more gold selling credd than the gold spammers offer, I cant see why people would buy it.
 
Anyways im glad to see something is being done, but can anyone point me to a post or something that shows which addons are classed as hacking/cheating?...people getting banned by mistake has made me wary of installing any more.
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Ive only been playing a week and seem to be the only person who hasn't seen any Bots farming ore/plants etc. I do however keep getting arena invites from gold spammers 100g/£15 or w/e...a friend in our kin made more gold selling credd than the gold spammers offer, I cant see why people would buy it.
 
Anyways im glad to see something is being done, but can anyone point me to a post or something that shows which addons are classed as hacking/cheating?...people getting banned by mistake has made me wary of installing any more.
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I've only seen one, and that was fairly recently.  I don't doubt that they're out there, though, generally in higher level zones.  That seems to be the problem is that they crowd out the upper level competition for nodes.  It's already hard enough on the competition front, what with more people starting to trickle into the 40s and 50s and those needing relatively more supplies to craft with.  Essentially, botters aren't really pissing people off with botting per se as much as using some movement hacks to give them a very unfair advantage.  That's why people are so angry about this in particular.  Unfortunately, as long as people are buying gold from RMTs, we will have these issues.  It's just particularly hotted up within the last week or so.  Best thing to do is hunker down and make sure you're using the 2 step authenticator on your phone or after buying a token.  It's a pain in the ass, but it's the only way to give yourself some manner of protection from account hackers.
 
A good general rule of thumb for addons is that if it's just changing what you see, it's legal.  If it's doing things for you, it isn't.  So if you've got an addon that makes ore nodes show up with a bright glowy halo so you can more easily see them, that's legal.  If you get an addon that walks you there and mines it, it isn't.
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I also want to thank Carbine for the effort they have to endure due to a bunch of people greedy enough to destroy the system they want to feed from... 
 
This is just so damn sad. Why can't we simply enjoy the awesome world created for us to have fun.
 
I'll come back to check if the bots are gone later :)	
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Threads are being closed really only because it doesn't make sense, either for the devs or the players, to have a bunch of threads about the same issue spread out all over the place. 
 
I'm not trying to stop people from talking about the issue, because it is a big issue, it just works much better if it happens in one place. And it's also not an indication of success or failure against the bots. Mainly because that's not my area.
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			Can't you just Find out how they're doing it and disable that? I haven't been able to mine a node outside of my house for days because as soon as i see one a player zooms in, mines it on less than a second and is gone before i can even see their name to report them.  	
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			It may be an isolated case, but i'm still seeing the same bots from a week ago, some of the first ones I ever reported, still flying around. Also to the guy who said they favor high lvl areas, while that's mostly true, about half my reports came from Algoroc.	
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Call me paranoid, call me what ever you like, but we are talking about NCsoft here and they have a lot of dirty tricks in their playbook, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this bot epidemic serves them in one way or another. 
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Hey Folks, we're working on this. The team has been looking into this situation, conducting meetings, and planning strategically how to approach things - it's trickier than you might think. Bottom line - we don't want botters and hackers in WildStar. It hurts the honest players who want to play the game and enjoy it.
 
Hang in there!	
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			It's worse than ever right now and literally ruining my experience.  I just want to level my crafting but finding a mining node is next to impossible right now.  Can't kill the bots either.  I've reported about 20 of them today alone.	
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Hey Folks, we're working on this. The team has been looking into this situation, conducting meetings, and planning strategically how to approach things - it's trickier than you might think. Bottom line - we don't want botters and hackers in WildStar. It hurts the honest players who want to play the game and enjoy it.
 
Hang in there!
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Hey Folks, we're working on this. The team has been looking into this situation, conducting meetings, and planning strategically how to approach things - it's trickier than you might think. Bottom line - we don't want botters and hackers in WildStar. It hurts the honest players who want to play the game and enjoy it.
 
Hang in there!
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Hunker down as in not play at all eh?
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That's exactly how I feeling. If bot is banned only after it become profitable, it cause botter to buy new account => extra profit for NCSOFT.
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with my significant other being the banned one, that's what I fear. And so close to the re-sub date, if it's not restored before the re-sub date, why would I sub for a game that I can't play?
 
We just got an email "illegal third party program". Which of the add ons would that be:
Achievement tooltips,
Amp Class Icons,
Custom FoV,
PathAbilityPicker,
MailHelper,
NoOfflineRoster,
BetterPartyFrames. 
 
Because I'm using the exact same add ons as he is.
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OK, I got hacked today (actually, yesterday). Let's start with symptoms.
 
1. I'm 100% sure my PC was clean. No keyloggers, no virii. Maybe because of that simple fact that it's clean copy of windows with only wildstar and curse installed, running under xen.
2. No token auth enabled, though password's pretty strong (brute-force? veeeeeeeeeery low probability), unique to wildstar.
3. I got 12 addons installed (and hey, I need to have them, as while C made us pretty good default UI there are dozens of stupid UI/UX bugs... inability to see what fking achieve you just got for doing random things while questing really means? anyone? auto selling junk?) and I played with probably dozen more. List will be provided on request as it'll take me some time to trace back my steps and remember all of them, too lazy. I don't think THAT bad about C devs and am pretty sure addons can't access any external communications API and steal session token same time. Exploitable buffer overrun in lua interpreter? Well, maaaaaaaaaaaybe.
4. I'm 100% sure my mail is secure as well. Still, no log-in-from-different-place confirmation emails, and no new allowed IPs in list. 
5. They were using account for a day at least (yesterday got "account already logged in" message but foolishly didn't care about it, considering the fact wildstar is in deep beta (face it) and similar things (like random disconnects when entering insts e.g.) happens, pp 1..4 and, of course, the fact my character was intact).
6. After logging in today I have found character named "zxccc" on my login screen, member of sell gold arena team, of course and no gold on my real char (though everything else was intact).
 
According to spam rate, lots of accounts were hacked and I still don't see (mandatory by any means) actions taken by C, so here it is:
 
1. Force users to change passwords. Just in case. If m**keting doesn't allow it for some stupid reason - gift some mount for password change, advertise it in launcher, virtually same effect.
2. Start looking for correlations. We have some systematic issue here with obvious candidates like heartbleed consequences or addon sandbox hole. Ask players for addons lists (or, better yet, make game client report it), check if they were registered before or after you fixed heartbleed on all your servers, anything. You'll be surprised how much info player can provide you if asked properly. 
3. Most likely session keys were compromised - triple check you match it against login ip in every place used. 
 
And, most importantly:
 
4. Compensate affected players. Mounts, outfit pieces, xp boosts - it doesn't actually matter, just show you fking care abit.	
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and the botting continues... nearly all my gathering nodes are botted away before I can get to them and or stolen right from under me during gathering.
 
instant locking threads and throwing us all into this thread wont help.
 
This better be TOP priority since it is affecting NEW PLAYERS just starting out in a severe way... this is the introduction to the game everyone is currently seeing... a botfest / bot party stealing all the gathering nodes right from under you.. its infuriating to say the least.. no chance to level professions.. no chance at that first mount.. the way for low levels to make legit money and level professions / sell mats is being stolen from us.
 
THIS will cause the un subs over anything else I think including mine.
 
get it done carbine... fix this or it will sink the game.	
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To disable it, they may need to implement something server side.  The more they do server-side, the more lag becomes an issue, so that's a tuning problem that might take a while.  You can't give it too much because, in addition to it slowing down their game pace, server-side movement handshaking is actually how a lagger-hack happens in WoW PVP.
 
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I don't know if this is new, but it was new to me- I watched a group of 3 bots teleporting around the desert area of Malgrave, killing mobs.  They were the challenge mobs, so I assume that's what they were doing, probably farming for amps?  
 
Like I said, I've seen them farming resource nodes a lot, but seeing them doing challenges was a new one for me.	
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Not exactly in this case. Server-side software which analyzes player movements does not creates any traffic, and don't have to work in real-time mode. All what it cause is small additional load on database which even won't be noticed unless server is 100% full.
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The future! (completely light-hearted of course) :P	
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This idea is an joke. Better idea: small math stuff like how much is 3x 4  or  5 + 7 and  about 30 seconds to answer.
This of curse not in normal numbers. Some un auto readable numbers.	
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Hey Folks, we're working on this. The team has been looking into this situation, conducting meetings, and planning strategically how to approach things - it's trickier than you might think. Bottom line - we don't want botters and hackers in WildStar. It hurts the honest players who want to play the game and enjoy it.
 
Hang in there!
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The future! (completely light-hearted of course) :P
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Hey devs,
I want to do my part to help, but I also don't want to create needless work for you. Should I report bots I see every day I see them, or is once enough?
 
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I dig that you are willing to make a post to let us know that you do in fact exist as human beings but I don't really get the impression that you guys have a handle on the sheer scope of this problem right now. I know you guys have the tools to do this, just go to Grimvault and sit at a node near the main circular road for a few minutes; and then realize that it's that bad and worse in EVERY zone.
 
Guild Wars 2 showed the cost of under-reacting to this sort of problem, there was no real economy on any server for months and it never got started after they did deal with the bots. This is absolutely one of those few situations that requires a strong and swift action, not relying on a perfect solution to the issue which may well never happen. You guys NEED ingame GMs to observe these bots.
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			I lost about 80% of games today because each lose had a min of 2 bots on the team (exile). I lost 250 points because of bots. bots need to be banned and points shoud be reset for people under a certain amount. This has killed PVP for me personally.	
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I think the major problem with that is that banning accounts, while it might help for a second, isn't going to actually fix the problem.  I mean, it sounds good and they HAVE to ban bots daily (though I'm not sure in what order), it doesn't do an awful lot of good unless they can get underneath the problem.  So not only might a strong and swift action cause other problems for legitimate players that are worse than bots (like being randomly banned through no fault of your own), but it might not even work.  At this point, I'd almost assume that NCSoft could ban every single bot right this second and they would all be replaced in a few minutes.  You can't solve this one from the top down very effectively.
 
Everything from the bottom up takes time.  In-game GMs, as you've suggested, would need to have tools similar to the bots to be able to find, stop, and ban the offending accounts.  Or they would need a UI that would allow them to see only the important data instead of having to stare at raw logs and hunt for suspicious actions after the fact.  They would need to be able to respond within a few minutes of the bot going active, because it doesn't take long to affect other people's experience.  And it may yet happen, but it needs to be developed and put in place.  It's just not something you can spontaneously generate or bandaid.
 
In any case, I'm assuming they're very well aware of how bad the issue is getting.  Their question is how do they approach this so that they aren't playing whack-a-mole with teleporting bots and actually reduce their numbers.
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In Wilderrun, at one spawnpoint i have counted 15 different bots within 1h on Contagion. It's impossible to get any gathering done, if your lucky enough to get to a node you are more lucky if you get out of there alive due to the mobs that the bots might bring with them and then "poof" leave you with them. 
This is outrageous, the game itself is one of the better ones i'we seen at release date. But seriously this cant have come as a shocking surprise that you guys didn't think of? 
I'm sorry if i'm repeating stuff that's already been said but seeing this topic is 45 pages long i'm not gonna read it all.. 	
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			If you get to certain amount of nodes within a certain amount of time = autoban... Then ppl can call support and try to justify how their chars could get from one point to another in 20ms.	
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they don't legitimatly buy accounts or pay subsrciptions, they hack accounts, use stolen credit cards and compromised paypal accounts etc. botters, hackers, cheaters, goldfarmers cost the company money. they don't make profit from them at all. Not just NCSOFT but blizzard, Trion, EA, whoever. Their profits are hurt by these exploiting gold farmers. 
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Of course the bans won't solve the problem, but it will buy them time to implement their fix before lasting damage is done. I can't imagine how many if any players could get wrongfully banned by direct observation actions. But what does happen by abstaining from doing that, and as a result seeing the same bots for a week solid going about their business of stealing everything, is that trust in the competence and committment of the devs and managers disappears. How motivated should I be to continue reporting bots if dozens of reports from scores of players does nothing to slow them down? How motivated should I be to be vigilant for new hacks or exploits when this issue received such limited attention?
 
The ideal outcome is that before the strain drop, Carbine will deploy whatever master plan they're cooking up and it will completely stop the teleport hackers and give us good tools to report other bots.
 
The more likely outcome is that the fix they're working on will not have a tremendous effect on the prevalence of the hackers before several more itterations are made. The only way you beat these bots is to make the time THEY spend in development more costly than the amount of money they can extract from your game and the longer you dely in putting a dent in them, the longer it takes you to reach that point in the curve.
 
My suggestion is to play whack-a-mole, as you put it, while they continue to work on this fix. They don't even need special tools to do it, simply manually observe and execute standard methods for shutting the offending accounts down. Strike fear into them instead of letting them build their anti-detection tools.
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			If it takes a certain amount of time to move from one point to another and you do it in less time = hack. Doesnt matter if youre too low to be there or not, just autoban... Should solve alot of botting, and the false positives should be alot less to manage than the frustration the paying customers have to put up with..	
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Well, than could you give me possible reason why there is not implemented even simplest fix - adding level requirements for nodes? It would limit botters to only hacked high level accounts
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Im a architect that cant work. 
 
I have a cubig farm to sustain please carbine they are hungry!!
 
LOOK AT THEIR FACES 
 	
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			Is anyone else noticing people porting/leaping with the mask in BG's?	
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			I feel that in the interim of figuring out a long-term solution, Carbine could assign an on-duty GM to each realm to monitor reports of hackers and to scout mining nodes, and issue bans where necessary to get things under better control.	
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