124949-can-we-get-buster-casey-replaced

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			too many times this mod has shown abuse of power, please carbine/ncsoft remove this toxin.	
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			How about you do his job for a day?  Get some perspective first before you make blanket statements about someone about whom you know nothing.	
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How about you do his job for a day?  Get some perspective first before you make blanket statements about someone about whom you know nothing.
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Mods really should lighten up on the PvP forums.  Healthy banter and a little smack talk shouldn't be against the ToS.  I think mods should use better discretion when it comes to things like that, as an insult toward someone for talking shit, then getting hit, is not the same as an insult for someone having a discussion on the general discussion forums.
 
Competition is the lifeblood of PvP.  No reason to stifle it.  As long as people aren't bringing personal information, being too vulgar, and aren't spamming, I don't see why people can't talk some shit, yknow?  If someone doesn't like it-- they need to work harder in-game at PvP, not hit that report button and watch people get punished on the forum. 
The PvP community doesn't RP space cowboys and bunny eared girls--- they RP killers, who smash bunny-eared healers into the ground.
 
Long live healthy competition, back off the PvPers, moderators!	
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Mods really should lighten up on the PvP forums.  Healthy banter and a little smack talk shouldn't be against the ToS.  I think mods should use better discretion when it comes to things like that, as an insult toward someone for talking shit, then getting hit, is not the same as an insult for someone having a discussion on the general discussion forums.
 
Competition is the lifeblood of PvP.  No reason to stifle it.  As long as people aren't bringing personal information, being too vulgar, and aren't spamming, I don't see why people can't talk some shit, yknow?  If someone doesn't like it-- they need to work harder in-game at PvP, not hit that report button and watch people get punished on the forum.
 
The PvP community doesn't RP space cowboys and bunny eared girls--- they RP killers, who smash bunny-eared healers into the ground.
 
Long live healthy competition, back off the PvPers, moderators!
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You know, they do have a set of rules up on the forums for you to read. The code of conduct and all. Here's a link. Buster and Chillia do nothing but enforce those rules. Nowhere does it say that you have to be asses to one another in order to PvP -- competition shouldn't be dirty, it should be treated like a sport.
 
Now, you're also not supposed to discuss moderation on the forums, they have a special place to do that, the red line email thingy. If you don't like how they're acting, send an email. The support team will explain things to you. ^^
 
Be civil, and the mods won't bother you at all. Be little jerks who cause problems and insult each other, and the mods will have to step in, as is their job -- and as the code of conduct states.	
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power to the people brutha...too long have these 2 mods abused their power, i myself have gotten 2 forum accounts banned just speaking my mind..this will probably be the third, with these mod history.
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Bunch of RPers, the whole Carbine staff. 
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You know, they do have a set of rules up on the forums for you to read. The code of conduct and all. Here's a link. Buster and Chillia do nothing but enforce those rules. Nowhere does it say that you have to be asses to one another in order to PvP -- competition shouldn't be dirty, it should be treated like a sport.
 
Now, you're also not supposed to discuss moderation on the forums, they have a special place to do that, the red line email thingy. If you don't like how they're acting, send an email. The support team will explain things to you. ^^
 
Be civil, and the mods won't bother you at all. Be little jerks who cause problems and insult each other, and the mods will have to step in, as is their job -- and as the code of conduct states.
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			Can we have some people on these forums replaced instead?	
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Can we have some people on these forums replaced instead?
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Amen to that idea.  Be nice to have people with a positive attitude.
 
 
Do you not see the problem here?  You come on a public forum (where using said forum is automatic agreement to the rules) and badmouth a moderator, then wonder why you get moderated.  Put two and two together here.
 
I myself have an issue with just how often F2P/B2P threads get to dominate General Discussion while threads about in-game content are moved elsewhere, and I'll say so right here.  I don't agree with that policy.  Frankly I think it's dumb and hurts the game.  I'm allowed to say that.  If I were to call Chillia/BusterCasey names while doing it or posting "C'MON MODS WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU" that's a different story.
 
I feel for the mods.  They have to put up with shit like the replies to this thread and baseless personal insults from strangers hiding behind internet anonymity.  What's worse is that it's done outside business hours, so either the mods get to waste their work day deleting this crap tomorrow OR they get to work from home and clean up the garbage on their time off.
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I am being civil merely asking fort heir removal. as for sending in a ticket/email..what makes you think i havent done that for the past year every week? The forums are my last resort maybe seeking public assistance in the matter. Keeping things behind closed doors like the disdain for such mods is unhealthy for the community, There is ALOT of players who dislike/disapprove of chillia and/or buster but are afraid to speak out. Not to mention they just delete these posts anyway.
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You have ZERO idea what a poop hole the PVP gameplay and the forum is in general. Do you?
 
I bet you can careless, if PVP in this game goes away 100%. 
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You have ZERO idea what a poop hole the PVP gameplay and the forum is in general. Do you?
 
I bet you can careless, if PVP in this game goes away 100%. 
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I'm calling bull* here.
Pretty sure whatever was said warranted cleaning and deletion.
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			It's just that chillia and buster casey rule these forums with no regard, if i mention anything that paints the game in negative light...bam deleted, bam banned..is that not a total abuse of power???	
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So requesting that raid gear be sold for glory warrants cleaning and deleting? I'm gonna go ahead and state what happened between myself and buster casey.
 
I created a thread in the PVE forum suggesting that Legendary gear be sold for glory much like the equivalent of pvp gear being sold for prestige. I based this suggestion of the fact that i enjoy doing both pve and pvp and unfortunately as i grow older and have less time to play I don't quite have the time to invest in both pvp and pve to the degree that i find enjoyable. I would love to be able to participate in pve to the ability that my skill allows and not to how much time i've invested in time gated gear checks. Upon receiving some agreement for the suggestion the thread was locked by bustercasey who then in private messages instructed me to continue the discussion in the pvp forums. I insisted that the thread had no place in the pvp forums but he insisted that somehow he personally knew that my intentions weren't sincere and that it was about pvp gear being given away for free rather than my enjoyment of both sides of the game. I wasn't aware that forum mods can impose their opinions of people into moderation? In this case it had been the case. 
 
I then decided to remake the thread in the pvp forum and the result of doing so granted me a suspension to my account. Now if i mention anything remotely close to the matter bustercasey warns me to the point that im suspended again regardless of me addressing it with theredphone. 
 
Its absolutely absurd that a paying player who has been an advocate for the game can be mistreated to this degree over some power hungry opinionated moderator. Its not healthy for the direction of the game and it certainly isn't healthy for the forums. 
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Mods really should lighten up on the PvP forums.  Healthy banter and a little smack talk shouldn't be against the ToS.  I think mods should use better discretion when it comes to things like that, as an insult toward someone for talking shit, then getting hit, is not the same as an insult for someone having a discussion on the general discussion forums.
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			lol, damn. getting serious in here.	
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too many times this mod has shown abuse of power, please carbine/ncsoft remove this toxin.
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thank you krawn for sharing that, blatant abuse and bias on the mod, opinions should never be suppressed...is this CHINA???
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			One time I posted an opinion that went against the grain (and was directed at no one in particular) and Buster Casey deleted my post for "trolling" and gave me two warning points. Then I reposted my opinion in a milder way and he deleted my post again.I don't like to dogpile on people in a public forum, but the dude clearly just deletes opinions he disagrees with. And that is definitely not his job.	
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You know, they do have a set of rules up on the forums for you to read. The code of conduct and all. Here's a link. Buster and Chillia do nothing but enforce those rules. Nowhere does it say that you have to be asses to one another in order to PvP -- competition shouldn't be dirty, it should be treated like a sport.
 
Now, you're also not supposed to discuss moderation on the forums, they have a special place to do that, the red line email thingy. If you don't like how they're acting, send an email. The support team will explain things to you. ^^
 
Be civil, and the mods won't bother you at all. Be little jerks who cause problems and insult each other, and the mods will have to step in, as is their job -- and as the code of conduct states.
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You know, they do have a set of rules up on the forums for you to read. The code of conduct and all. Here's a link. Buster and Chillia do nothing but enforce those rules. Nowhere does it say that you have to be asses to one another in order to PvP -- competition shouldn't be dirty, it should be treated like a sport.
 
Now, you're also not supposed to discuss moderation on the forums, they have a special place to do that, the red line email thingy. If you don't like how they're acting, send an email. The support team will explain things to you. ^^
 
Be civil, and the mods won't bother you at all. Be little jerks who cause problems and insult each other, and the mods will have to step in, as is their job -- and as the code of conduct states.
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Case in point. This entire post is an insult to the posters.  IT degrades them, insults them, because they have differing opinions of what they think is valid to discuss. 
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And this isn't?
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So double standards are perfectly acceptable as long as they aren't aimed at you?  Okay.
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No, of course not.
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To what are you referring?
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i   know a call for removal of any forum mod is extreme, bu tafter 1 year of frustration what is there left but this? Also this game population is so low I'm sure community management plays a big role. Are we all supposed to turn a blind eye/cheek to the flawas and any thing negative about the game?
 
Here is 1 positive then, I have paid a sub since release , the combat system is  the best of any game I have ever played....does that fill the "dont post negative shit without posting something positive"? quota..
 
But again, the forum moderation here has almost pushed me to cancel my sub based on this alone.	
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			Rp'ers, pvp'ers, pve'ers matter not...these mods rule us all, whether u choose to see it or not. Posting opinions, facts or anything that goes directly against mod OPINIONS has proven to be fatal. See krawn post. That is the reason I call for their removal/replacement, they have let their feelings/bias dictate their actions.	
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That larger post of yours up there said that Olivar's post was insulting a general group, that it's uncalled for because it belittles a specific type of person.  Earlier in this thread SeeSawSin said what I posted earlier, that Carbine is a bunch of RPers - suggesting that folks like myself have a blatant disregard for certain aspects of this game, belittling us and our opinions.  As I said:  Know that both sides are swinging, here.  If it's not cool for a person on one side of this argument to act a certain way, expect to get called out when someone on the other side acts the same.
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Well, actually Chua Olivar was mostly just insulting 2 specific people there.  He used an insult sandwich.  IE he made a constructive comment in between 2 very insulting remarks.
 
You should really also understand that the OP and other posters didn't come into threads you were participating in and started insulting you. You (and others) have come into a thread, that is surely to get locked, and have warnings distributed, and have felt the need to share your opinions and or insult.  Do you often go insulting people, and then get angry when they insult you back?
 
Two wrongs don't make a right here.
 
Also, remember, this post was player versus community team. You chose to take offense to a comment that wasn't even directed at you, and sparked an argument.  That's fair game if ever there was one.  I don't go into PvE forums and argue with them about PvE stuff, the get mad and report them for insulting me.  I do it to bring in alternative perspectives and represent those of us who enjoy the class balance for other aspects of the game.
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Well, actually Chua Olivar was mostly just insulting 2 specific people there.  He used an insult sandwich.  IE he made a constructive comment in between 2 very insulting remarks.
 
You should really also understand that the OP and other posters didn't come into threads you were participating in and started insulting you. You (and others) have come into a thread, that is surely to get locked, and have warnings distributed, and have felt the need to share your opinions and or insult.  Do you often go insulting people, and then get angry when they insult you back?
 
Two wrongs don't make a right here.
 
Also, remember, this post was player versus community team. You chose to take offense to a comment that wasn't even directed at you, and sparked an argument.  That's fair game if ever there was one.  I don't go into PvE forums and argue with them about PvE stuff, the get mad and report them for insulting me.  I do it to bring in alternative perspectives and represent those of us who enjoy the class balance for other aspects of the game.
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mods are people too. chilla and bustercasey are doing a good job. i myself have pushed the limits of acceptable content and when i step out of line they remind me. if you post something that is against the code of conduct or ignore a warning given by a mod your post will get removed and you will get a warning point.
 
realize that while sarcasm is common way to express how much you disagree with someones opinion. it is often lost in translation and generally isnt he best way to convey your thoughts on a public forum.
 
as for the people that think because pvp is competitive and therefore you can be rude and disrespectful towards others as a way to "hype up" pvp. this is just absurd. forums are made for discussions not personal disputes.
 
you make a post that is likely to get removed then it will most likely get removed.
 
because our mods are human they make mistakes, doesnt mean they are bad people themselves or should get fired. also because they are human they have the added benefit of being able to see your personality and call you out when you are crossing the line. this is how they catch sarcasm.
 
everyone here needs to realize this. this thread in its entirely is ridiculous and shouldnt exist. the whole point of this thread is to talk about how much you dislike a mod. clearly not an appropriate thread. something like that should be done be contacting the mods supervisor. i hope this thread gets closed, but im sure many here would say that the thread is being closed to stifle opinions and not because this thread is clearly just an attack.	
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mods are people too. chilla and bustercasey are doing a good job. i myself have pushed the limits of acceptable content and when i step out of line they remind me. if you post something that is against the code of conduct or ignore a warning given by a mod your post will get removed and you will get a warning point.
 
realize that while sarcasm is common way to express how much you disagree with someones opinion. it is often lost in translation and generally isnt he best way to convey your thoughts on a public forum.
 
as for the people that think because pvp is competitive and therefore you can be rude and disrespectful towards others as a way to "hype up" pvp. this is just absurd. forums are made for discussions not personal disputes.
 
you make a post that is likely to get removed then it will most likely get removed.
 
because our mods are human they make mistakes, doesnt mean they are bad people themselves or should get fired. also because they are human they have the added benefit of being able to see your personality and call you out when you are crossing the line. this is how they catch sarcasm.
 
everyone here needs to realize this. this thread in its entirely is ridiculous and shouldnt exist. the whole point of this thread is to talk about how much you dislike a mod. clearly not an appropriate thread. something like that should be done be contacting the mods supervisor. i hope this thread gets closed, but im sure many here would say that the thread is being closed to stifle opinions and not because this thread is clearly just an attack.
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mods are people too. chilla and bustercasey are doing a good job. i myself have pushed the limits of acceptable content and when i step out of line they remind me. if you post something that is against the code of conduct or ignore a warning given by a mod your post will get removed and you will get a warning point.
 
realize that while sarcasm is common way to express how much you disagree with someones opinion. it is often lost in translation and generally isnt he best way to convey your thoughts on a public forum.
 
as for the people that think because pvp is competitive and therefore you can be rude and disrespectful towards others as a way to "hype up" pvp. this is just absurd. forums are made for discussions not personal disputes.
 
you make a post that is likely to get removed then it will most likely get removed.
 
because our mods are human they make mistakes, doesnt mean they are bad people themselves or should get fired. also because they are human they have the added benefit of being able to see your personality and call you out when you are crossing the line. this is how they catch sarcasm.
 
everyone here needs to realize this. this thread in its entirely is ridiculous and shouldnt exist. the whole point of this thread is to talk about how much you dislike a mod. clearly not an appropriate thread. something like that should be done be contacting the mods supervisor. i hope this thread gets closed, but im sure many here would say that the thread is being closed to stifle opinions and not because this thread is clearly just an attack.
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And yet we cannot call them out as well? Only to have them abuse their power to delete/ban our threads that do so? Fine lock it, but to delete and censor is so CHINA
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contact their supervisor. this is how the real world works. you dont publicly shame people till they step down.
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Like I said before, it is subjective.  You're telling me that people can't "be dicks," because feelings, and forums--- yet you yourself find reason to post an image calling others butthurt etc?  That's a very hypocritical action, if you ask me.
 
I'd wager that the definition of player versus player implies more than just red vs blue.  MMOs are about communities.  People aren't beating the other characters at checkers.  They're killing them.  If you can't have a little bit of smacktalk along with that--- they need to slap an E on this game, and replace all the weapons with water guns.
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I'm having a hard time understanding how I'm at fault for responding to someone insulting the kind of person I am, and replying to it, Eclips.  I mean if that's how this works I should do what we all should be doing and just bail out of this thread.  I didn't insult anyone until SeeSaw's reply sparked my own retort.  Two wrongs never make a right, agreed, but in reply to your last few sentences I don't drop into the PVP forums and say things like "Bunch of PVPers, they don't care about X or Y, and wouldn't bat an eye of the game did Z!"
 
I really want to know how this is somehow my *cupcake*up, or if you really just want to have an argument.  That's not a snip at you, I really can't make the distinction.
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So, in General Discussion, as long as you pretend you're an RP chua,
 
Totally had to laugh at this. (Sorry Olivar but that was funny)
 
  Censoring the top players in PvP for posting their opinions, 
 
Where do you get your information? Are you looking only through Dominion eyes?
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Yes, they are totally out to get the two of you personally.
They've started a personal feud against the both of you.
 
 
I've posted far worse things on these boards and got warnings for it, heck even 4 day bans.
But that was because the posts were abusive and insulting.
I've never been given a punishment or had my posts locked for giving out citique or negative feedback.
It all boils down to HOW you say something in these threads.
 
And I found your threads.
Butthurt troll threads really. Like many others pointed out in your discussions.
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Where do you get your information? Are you looking only through Dominion eyes?
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Oh I don't mind Beckstir.
I know how people perceive me when I post in blue.
 
 
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The hypocrisy is real here.
 
I'm not sure if you ever played sports growing up, but I don't know very many PvPers that take personal offense to every single insult hurled at them.
Ever seen a boxing match or MMA fight?   Do you know what a rivalry is?  Healthy rivalries don't just exist with people that speak to their opponent like they do their sunday school teacher.  Heck, a lot of smack talk I'm used to interacting with / seeing is people jabbing with the intent to promote competition and urge their competitor / teammate to do better.  No one actually hates anyone, (and it's pretty obvious when they do), but you can't play a PvP game and expect people to hold out their hands and say GG every single time they win.
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 i hope this thread gets closed, but im sure many here would say that the thread is being closed to stifle opinions and not because this thread is clearly just an attack.
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it's that time of night when mods are asleep or eating a sammich...
 
 
Anyway all we can really do for you is recommend that you use theredphone (at) carbinestudios (dot) com
 
As with most forums(gaming forums especially) discussion of actions will result in a lock eventually.
 
However as for topic at hand my 2 cents...
I don't think this is the right approach to having an open discussion on forum moderation as a whole. Bar in mind that moderators are more of policy enforcers with some leeway and personal interpretations of applying said policies to particular situations. A good example is the coffee thread which for awhile caused quite a bit of "rage", but having an open discussion with the mod team and community managers(Think the head moderator is V if i remember right) we reached a compromise that to have it in the general topic section it had to contain wildstar related content, but if it were to veer too far it'd be moved.
 
I would love to have an open productive discussion, communities change and so do policies as well that go with them.
 
I guess "smacktalk might be a good place to start. I think it's fine for people to do as it tends to be more of a fun poking at each other, but it can get a bit out of hand in some circumstances and lead to more hostile one for certain people. Sadly o nthe internet people can and often do read a bit too much into the text they are reading and well you can see it happened even on this forum quite a bit. So I'd almsot say that it's better suited for environments that it's more well known to be presented like in-game, skype, vent, etc...Private would be a bit too harsh, but more of a "there is a time and place for it". I feel that a public forum is not really the place for it though and can be easily read the wrong way so I can see how moderators may take proactive actions to mitigate further issues.
 
That is jsut me though...it's all really late...so hope i made sense hehe...	
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Oh I don't mind Beckstir.
I know how people perceive me when I post in blue.
 
 
 
What I've done in RL has nothing to do with this.
But to humour you, yes I did play sports, on European top level even.
And smacktalking your opponents in my Sport was considered not done, heck it could even lead to you being disqualified.
You approached your opponent with respect on the Tatami, and you duked it out on the mat.
 
And Rivalry is not an excuse either to be an ass to someone.
It means you even keep someone in regards and stife to be better then them. And insulting + downtalking on them is not how you do this.
Just because you grew up with smacktalk aapparently is not an excuse to pass on this abusive behaviour.
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Okay, and this type of smacktalk is very, very mild compared to e-sport smacktalk like CoD, or some of the stuff people throw at each other in UFC fights.
 
Just remember, MMO PvP isn't karate... and I'd wager your sensei wouldn't be pleased with the way you insult others in your posts, either.
 
Go watch some mic'd up on youtube. Trash talk is a part of PvP.  It's just something you get used to and learn to brush off when you grow up.
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Or it's something you don't even start with and show some proper respect to people.
12year olds on COD do this cause they don't know better.
Are you a 12 year old?
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As a person who enjoys all aspects of the game, I have to say that the one thing that makes me hesitate to queue up for PvP is abusive behaviour and smack-talk.
 
I PvP because I think it's fun. It is fun until someone takes it personally and feel the need to insult me. That's not sportmanship in my opinion, regardless the sport.	
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As a person who enjoys all aspects of the game, I have to say that the one thing that makes me hesitate to queue up for PvP is abusive behaviour and smack-talk.
 
I PvP because I think it's fun. It is fun until someone takes it personally and feel the need to insult me. That's not sportmanship in my opinion, regardless the sport.
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The point is that trash talk isn't inherently wrong.  You pointed out an extreme on one side, I pointed out an extreme on the other.  
 
Disrespecting someone in karate is very insulting, because you're insulting the individual hard work and personal development of someone who has (most likely) spent years training.
Disrespecting someone in Wildstar PvP is hardly insulting, because you're throwing out some trash talk because you killed their internet character on a video game.
 
Some people aren't taught to respect themselves, despite their flaws etc.  Some people don't experience things like the average person and sometimes mask their insecurities with things like alternate worlds or roleplaying.  Part of being a functional adult is learning how to rebuff an insult or two, and understand when someone is serious or not.
 
What needs to be clear here, is that you're arguing for people to have respect for each other, because "trash talk" is disrespectful, in the very same thread that you're being disrespectful to other posters.  Why should I need to discuss "trash talk," and respect to someone who clearly isn't interested in practicing what he preaches?
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Oh I don't mind Beckstir.
I know how people perceive me when I post in blue.
 
 
 
What I've done in RL has nothing to do with this.
But to humour you, yes I did play sports, on European top level even.
And smacktalking your opponents in my Sport was considered not done, heck it could even lead to you being disqualified.
You approached your opponent with respect on the Tatami, and you duked it out on the mat.
 
And Rivalry is not an excuse either to be an ass to someone.
It means you even keep someone in regards and stife to be better then them. And insulting + downtalking on them is not how you do this.
Just because you grew up with smacktalk aapparently is not an excuse to pass on this abusive behaviour.
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No.
Part of being a responsible adult it knowing your flaws and not project them on others.
Just because you're in a video game protected by the "anonymous" barrier does not grand you the right to start trash talking someone.
Because you do not even know the effort this person is putting in in order to play and compete in the PvP scene.
Just disregarding this is a clear insult to someone.
 
And you not wanting to engage in the discussion proves exactly the above point.
You simply only care about yourself and what makes you feel good.
And you have no problem being a dick to someone if it makes you feel better.
 
And people wonder why the rest looks down on PvP'ers and avoids it like the plague.
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okay so what i have learned from this thread.people trash talk before mma fights therefore it is okay to trash talk on forums.
 
trash talk helps the community because the community in general likes being talked dirty to.
 
instead of telling someone not to insult another person its better to tell the person being insulted to try and not be offended.
 
because this is a video game and you are killing people that makes trash talking okay.
 
that being said it is okay and should be encouraged for me to say...
 
"all yall opinions are garbage 'cause i can 1v1 you any day and beat your sorry asses. come at me bro!"
 
i hope this "competitive" natured comment bolsters your enthusiasm for pvp. dont be offended though. 
 
side-note: why do you need to trash talk on forums and not just in-game?	
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And people wonder why the rest looks down on PvP'ers and avoids it like the plague.
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And that attitude is exactly what makes communities so toxic, because people think it's okay to smacktalk and be a general $%^& to each other.
... It simply is not acceptable behaviour at all...
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Uhh the PvE community isnt exactly super friendly either, try being 1/10th as effective as the rest of your group and just a general detriment (this is kinda common in pvp sadly) and see how long until you start getting nasty little whispers.
 
Regardless it's not like the pvp community gets much attention anyway. whenever there's a balance issue with classes etc. our perspective is typically discarded, and ignored. There really isn't much discussion when the other party clearly doesn't care what you have to say- so getting banned makes no difference for most of us.
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How about you do his job for a day?  Get some perspective first before you make blanket statements about someone about whom you know nothing.
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			Regroup Mid, focus targets are chillia and buster casey	
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			im ccing both of them finish them!!	
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I was an official moderator for an MMORPG once(Fly for Fun) I've done his job before.
 
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And that makes it correct and acceptable?
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im ccing both of them finish them!!
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im ccing both of them finish them!!
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Now there's a name I haven't heard of in a long long long time.
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Yeah searching my PC's archive, what blast from the past. Holy crap.How about a screenshot that's nearly a decade old?Sorry for OT
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Yeah searching my PC's archive, what blast from the past. Holy crap.
 
 
How about a screenshot that's nearly a decade old?
 
Sorry for OT
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			God knows there's more trash talk than ever between dom/exiles in PVP as a member of LOTD, but the solution to avoid it is simply not participating. I'm of the opinion that listed players who were banned and have posts deleted shouldn't have been, for the most part, because it's more of a hilarious public shaming to have their novel length manifestos for the entire community to see.Videogames are serious business.	
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			Off-off-topic: I once read a story about a dude who somehow spent like $5,000 buying junk in FLYFF and bankrupted his family. Makes box promo mounts seem rather quaint in comparison.	
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Anyway, you guys might be annoyed by Chillia in the PVP forum sometimes but I think she seems like a very sweet person, and I don't get the impression that she abuses her power for personal reasons. She seems to just be trying to do her job, so let's not be mean to her here.
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Off-off-topic: I once read a story about a dude who somehow spent like $5,000 buying junk in FLYFF and bankrupted his family. Makes box promo mounts seem rather quaint in comparison.
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Videogames are serious business.
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			Did the costume items cost like $50 each? That's so much money. I've spent probably $2k on digital Magic cards over the years, but 6k on an MMO, wow! That company must've been rolling in dough. I'm sure you and this other guy weren't the only ones who spent that much...	
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Did the costume items cost like $50 each? That's so much money. I've spent probably $2k on digital Magic cards over the years, but 6k on an MMO, wow! That company must've been rolling in dough.
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			I wish the mods would get in here and steer this post back on topic	
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I wish the mods would get in here and steer this post back on topic
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If they don't completley delete this thread, when someone needs a good example of irony- I will show them this.
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Just my 2 cents:
 
Keep the trash talk in the arena, battleground or warplot, and out of the pvp forums.
 
Or
 
Have a warning screen of some sort before you enter the pvp forums.
 
or some compromise of that sort.
 
     To be honest I really can't recall alot of trash talking when I played sports in school.  Is it a generational thing?  (You kids today! with your twitterblogs and the L2diaf!)  Most of the coaches I can recall had the attitude that the only trash talk needed was the final score.	
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			Regroup, focus targets please. This is like pbg's already with everyone's focus NOT on what we should be dealing with.	
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Actually what I see is some folks with CRB tags being helpful, and the rest getting into arguments with or insulting posters on the PVP forums.
 
For example, one poster discusses how he thinks it would be simple to shut out gear with high item level in PVP. Then a member of Carbine's programming staff makes a special trip to the forums to make fun of him.
 
Obviously I think they have made light years of improvement to the PVE side of this game but it seems to me like CS is actively squandering their PVP base and I'm surprised that any of the vocal community members there are left.	
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Obviously I think they have made light years of improvement to the PVE side of this game but it seems to me like CS is actively squandering their PVP base and I'm surprised that any of the vocal community members there are left.
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Of all the self important and whiny defeatist nonsense. I can't take this victim complex and conspiracy theory thread seriously.
 
"Them modz! They're a silencin' us like we're in a Chinese prison camp, an' they're a tryin' ta get rid of muh PvP!"
 
Uh-oh! I wasn't negative and not be a part of the irrational and hyperbole prone herd. Incoming, "White Knight" accusations!	
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			I've seen some doozies of threads and posts that are still active that I would have personally shut down myself if I was a moderator.  That tells me the mods have a hell of a lot more tolerance than I do, so I have to wonder, just how *cupcake" bad where the posts and threads that got some of y'all in here warned, deleted, and suspended over? :blink:	
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I've seen some doozies of threads and posts that are still active that I would have personally shut down myself if I was a moderator.  That tells me the mods have a hell of a lot more tolerance than I do, so I have to wonder, just how *cupcake" bad where the posts and threads that got some of y'all in here warned, deleted, and suspended over? :blink:
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I've seen some doozies of threads and posts that are still active that I would have personally shut down myself if I was a moderator.  That tells me the mods have a hell of a lot more tolerance than I do, so I have to wonder, just how *cupcake" bad where the posts and threads that got some of y'all in here warned, deleted, and suspended over? :blink:
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			OMG LOL  I've done my fair share of smacktalk and downright insulting other players in PvP, getting caught up in the heat of the moment, all that horse apples.  And it isn't because I felt it was part of PvP and how to be competitive, it was because I was feeling like a *cupcake* and wanted to take it out on the person beyond what I was doing in game.  Don't try to sugar coat those horse apples, you guys are just making PvP'ers look even worse trying to hide what you are really doing it for.	
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OMG LOL  I've done my fair share of smacktalk and downright insulting other players in PvP, getting caught up in the heat of the moment, all that horse apples.  And it isn't because I felt it was part of PvP and how to be competitive, it was because I was feeling like a *cupcake* and wanted to take it out on the person beyond what I was doing in game.  Don't try to sugar coat those horse apples, you guys are just making PvP'ers look even worse trying to hide what you are really doing it for.
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Hello. I'm a pvper.
 
I agree that we do not have enough community moderators pay attention to us, or attention regarding our opinion.
I also believe that competitive talk is part of the niche of pvp. HOWEVER, you have to abide by the Code of conduct of the site. I also think this thread is absolutely abhorrent and you should be ashamed of yourselves. The moderation use their small team to moderate these forums. I have been annoyed by moderation at times and asked for clarification for their actions, they always reply and they are always clear what part of the code of conduct my post/thread broke and why it was changed/moved. I know how hard a job of being a moderator of a forum is, I was a moderator of a large "underground" social forum for a very long time with much higher traffic than these forums. Sometimes you miss things, it looks like favouritism, but sometimes you legitimately miss parts of arguments, or can only catch up on so much. There are (as far as I can see) two main mods for the forum, they do a good job enforcing the rules.
 
The moderators here are not lax. The reason you are complaining is that you break the rules or post in the wrong area, and the mods direct you elsewhere. This isn't silencing your opinion, but redirecting your opinions to a more relevent area. Their whole job is to do this. You might think they're dicks but they have feelings too and are just doing their job.
 
You can smacktalk each other, I do it quite frequently, but to do so on these forums you must abide by the code of conduct. If you think that is so unfair then take it up with the people who made the rules in the first place. If you want to smacktalk someone without being moderated, PM them or add them in game (I do..)
Being a butthurt idiot over your smacktalk being silenced because it goes against the forum rules is just pitiful.
 
Sometimes, the threads in this forum go a lot further than they should, or I would have tolerance for as a moderator. I'd say the moderation is actually quite fair (if sometimes, narrow sighted, as I explained before... sometimes they act before they get the whole picture) if not enough at times.
 
The most important thing to remember is we get timetravel responding to our posts in the pvp forum, so saying that we have noone replying to our threads isn't true. The moderation is actually quite lax in the pvp forum compared to other sections. 
 
How to make the whole pvp community look like they act like whiny babies: Make butthurt threads like this	
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Well, I know this thread is going to get locked so there's not much point in posting in it. But the "smacktalk" discussion is a good one- it's not a necessary part of PvP and it drives players like me away because I won't participate in stuff where that kind of behavior is considered acceptable.
 
When I did PvP a little, one of the things that drove me away was the insulting words of my own teammates.
 
PvP needs help in this game, but most of the interactions I've had with PvP types (there are exceptions) leaves me unsympathetic. 
And "we're RPing Killers" is a poor argument to justify childish behavior.	
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That's not fair.  Just because you feel that way when you insult people, doesn't mean others do.  Competitive PvP is just as much mind games and intimidation as it is pressing the 8 buttons on your LAS.  That feeling you get when you're up against a tough opponent and he taunts you?  That's the drive to succeed, to show the other guy you're good too and to make him eat his words.
 
It's really not malicious.  Sure, some of it is, but that's no different than elitist pvers who votekick you from the group for not knowing what to do, etc.
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			This thread was honestly a good read at 5 am. 10/10 I'm serious.	
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			What you doing up that early oO ?	
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Also, I seem to annoy more people in pvp by being positive and happy most of the time and being sweet as sugar.
 
Works way better than smack talk. It makes them want to punch you in the face even more when you beat their ass and you say sincerely "oh thanks for the game, it was a great game! It seems like you tried really hard, really had me going at one point, except for the part where you died in like 20 seconds : )))), we'll have to do it again some time."	
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Sugar coating horse apples doesn't change the fact it's still horse apples. I've been in a *cupcake* ton of PvP matches that were balls to the wall intense that didn't have a single bit of "smack talk" in it. It isn't a necessary part of competition and it's only purpose is to treat the other player like *cupcake*, either because you want to rub their face in your superiority, or you're doing it because you feel inferior to their skills and you lash out because you can't beat them in-game. Call it what it is, at least retain a modicum of respect by being honest instead of being disingenuous. I understand the thrill of being an *cupcake* in PvP, I've indulged in it myself a time or two(well, ok, more than that lol), but please don't try to call it what it isn't.
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I PVP, not "hardcore to the core" PVP, but I do enjoy it. I don't "smacktalk" (is that even a proper word? Never heard of it till now), and personally, when I see someone in BGs going "OMG noobs pick up the mask, you are the worst team ever" I just instant ignore. My ignore list is forever growing (as would my forum ignore list if I could figure out how). The impression I am getting is a bunch of people that want their voice taken as hard truth, and can not accept that others disagree with it (dont like name calling, so I will not). 
 
Now I have not said I do not "understand" the so called need for smacktalk (please dont make me say that ever again), I just do not see the need for it, I am sure PVP will still be PVP if no one went "L2P noob".
 
On that note actually, how is talking down to your team productive? If someone said "Aralon, you are a horrible eng, you have no BD DPS, go die in a fire", I just cant see that being productive.  	
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Sugar coating horse apples doesn't change the fact it's still horse apples.  I've been in a *cupcake* ton of PvP matches that were balls to the wall intense that didn't have a single bit of "smack talk" in it.  It isn't a necessary part of competition and it's only purpose is to treat the other player like *cupcake*, either because you want to rub their face in your superiority, or you're doing it because you feel inferior to their skills and you lash out because you can't beat them in-game.  Call it what it is, at least retain a modicum of respect by being honest instead of being disingenuous.  I understand the thrill of being an *cupcake* in PvP, I've indulged in it myself a time or two(well, ok, more than that lol), but please don't try to call it what it isn't.
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I regularly say things like, "way to let me die noob," or "nerf slinger kbs best class in the game," to my buddies.  They often retort with equal smack talk like calling me a noob for dying, etc.  They know I'm joking. I know they're joking, because we've been around the PvP block a few times.  If someone finally manages to kill me, then starts talking trash, I don't get my feelings hurt. I don't put them on ignore or make a forum post about it.  I just respawn, get back up again, kill them, and lay the trash talk on as strong as it was given.
 
It's part of PvP lady.  It's not like anyone is having their life threatened, or things are personal.  It's just healthy competition in a game.  At least, that's what we do.  Not sure what you do exactly.
 
You realize that's still smack talk right?
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What you doing up that early oO ?
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Come on. You have military experience. Ever do sports PT or unit sporting competitions? The other team is your friends and coworkers, you may even have deployed together. But hot damn you're gonna smack talk the ever loving shit out of them, and they'll do the same to you because it's fun. It's only when it's mean spirited that it's a problem.
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Please tell me you do not still say noob.....
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I regularly say things like, "way to let me die noob," or "nerf slinger kbs best class in the game," to my buddies.  They often retort with equal smack talk like calling me a noob for dying, etc.  They know I'm joking. I know they're joking, because we've been around the PvP block a few times.  If someone finally manages to kill me, then starts talking trash, I don't get my feelings hurt. I don't put them on ignore or make a forum post about it.  I just respawn, get back up again, kill them, and lay the trash talk on as strong as it was given.
 
It's part of PvP lady.  It's not like anyone is having their life threatened, or things are personal.  It's just healthy competition in a game.  At least, that's what we do.  Not sure what you do exactly.
 
You realize that's still smack talk right?
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Ever put 4 marines on a boat with a case of corona and a couple of hot blonde girls? If you wrote down everything that came out of their mouths, not even Louie CK would say it out loud. But if you understood it as trash talk, knew those guys liked each other and still looked out for each other, it wouldn't be such a big deal.
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So double standards are perfectly acceptable as long as they aren't aimed at you?  Okay.
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To be honest, I use a lot of colorful language. Not that there's anything wrong with noob, though.
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That's not fair.  Just because you feel that way when you insult people, doesn't mean others do.  
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To be honest, I use a lot of colorful language. Not that there's anything wrong with noob, though.
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Come on. You have military experience. Ever do sports PT or unit sporting competitions? The other team is your friends and coworkers, you may even have deployed together. But hot damn you're gonna smack talk the ever loving shit out of them, and they'll do the same to you because it's fun. It's only when it's mean spirited that it's a problem.
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My ignore list is forever growing (as would my forum ignore list if I could figure out how).
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When it's done face to face, you can see and hear the person doing it, you can see and hear their intent, it's a bit different.  Stuff like that gets lost in text.  Context matters, situation matters.  I don't know the people I'm PvP'ing with/against from Adam.  I have no personal and emotional ties to them.  I don't have that filter in the game.  Anonymity causes what would be "all in good fun" to be toxic.  
 
Don't get me wrong, I know exactly where you're coming from :)  And in that particular case, I agree with you.  I just don't think when it comes to online gaming it is the same thing, and is most often not for "good fun" but for less savory reasons.
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There's a big difference between smacktalking people you know and those you don't.
 
Yes, I talk trash even in PvE to my good friends when someone messes up in an encounter. But I'd never say that kind of stuff to random people I don't know.	
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Manage Ignore Prefs in the drop down menu when you click yourself at the top right of the screen :)
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Mods really should lighten up on the PvP forums.  Healthy banter and a little smack talk shouldn't be against the ToS.  I think mods should use better discretion when it comes to things like that, as an insult toward someone for talking shit, then getting hit, is not the same as an insult for someone having a discussion on the general discussion forums.
 
Competition is the lifeblood of PvP.  No reason to stifle it.  As long as people aren't bringing personal information, being too vulgar, and aren't spamming, I don't see why people can't talk some shit, yknow?  If someone doesn't like it-- they need to work harder in-game at PvP, not hit that report button and watch people get punished on the forum.
 
The PvP community doesn't RP space cowboys and bunny eared girls--- they RP killers, who smash bunny-eared healers into the ground.
 
Long live healthy competition, back off the PvPers, moderators!
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Jokes just don't go well over text. There are a lot of stupid, sensitive and paranoid people on the internet.
 
Remember, the moderation team have to moderate for the entirety of the community. If the joke may not be understood by a large portion of the community and seen as offensive by an innocent outsider's eye, they have to censor it, even if they themselves did find it funny.
 
Like I said, I had this problem as a moderator and was well hated for enforcing rules, but unfortunately you can't pick and choose. On here sometimes I felt like it was ME getting censored and not my post, until I realised the context my post was in and how it would look to an outsider. I was also well liked as a mod because I set up another place for people to mess around on (one of those tinychat things) and do the funny jokey stuff. Maybe we should consider this for pvp'ers?	
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When it's done face to face, you can see and hear the person doing it, you can see and hear their intent, it's a bit different. Stuff like that gets lost in text. Context matters, situation matters. I don't know the people I'm PvP'ing with/against from Adam. I have no personal and emotional ties to them. I don't have that filter in the game. Anonymity causes what would be "all in good fun" to be toxic. 
 
Don't get me wrong, I know exactly where you're coming from :) And in that particular case, I agree with you. I just don't think when it comes to online gaming it is the same thing, and is most often not for "good fun" but for less savory reasons.
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True. The distinction between being good natured and being a jerk is very important of course. Many people aren't doing it out of a place of fun competition, they're doing it because they 1.) Think you and me and everyone else are noobs keeping them from winning or 2.) They are little pricks who think it makes them cooler if they talk down to people online.
 
But I don't think that's where Eclips is coming from.
 
To be honest I hardly ever have time to type in PvP unless I'm guarding a point. People who are constantly spamming the chat are usually doing so from the graveyard after another free trip courtesy of a better player.
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I think sarcasm does work online because I have no problem spotting sarcasm online. Some people don't get it, but I think they probably don't always get it irl too.
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Ultimately, this isn't necessarily about trash talk that's just a tangent of forum moderation, and has been the back and forth that took us from page 3 to 7. The issue is that some believe that certain members whom are primarly pvp'ers are being unfairly biased against, and their posts/topics are more likely to be edited/deleted, and that individual receiving warning points or being banned.
 
Krawn ss'ed the discussion that led to him being banned, and it was basically the mod believing that his post was sarcastic the contents of his post were well within the guidelines of the forum policy. 
 
Now when we make posts that maybe approach the line of being unaccepatble we're much more likely to be punished than other groups. Someone says something about raid parses that is inflammatory that thread isnt getting touched, but if it's pvp related yeah....
 
We're tired of being under represented in decisions that affect pvp, and when that frustration comes to a head getting punished for voicing that frustration.	
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This conversation would be a lot different, if this game had a decent number of PvPers.
 
Remember, if your skin isn't thick enough to handle what someone types to you over the internet--- use the ignore feature.
If they repeatedly harass you in-game, use the report feature.
 
Taking offense because you died and someone called you bad?  That's kind of pathetic really.
 
@Byonna :  You mean you did something to make fun of me, maliciously, with the intent to hurt my feelings, as a form of forum / twitch Player versus Player, and I didn't throw my arms up and scream that this community is for the dogs, X player is immature, we're all 12, karate is an honorable sport?
 
Do you think that might be because my skin is a little thicker, I don't think Elektra actually wants me to kill myself irl (even though he really might *shrug*), and I'm not a "stupid idiot, gosh," like your insults led to believe?
 
Weird, and I didn't even put you on ignore.	
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Ultimately, this isn't necessarily about trash talk that's just a tangent of forum moderation, and has been the back and forth that took us from page 3 to 7. The issue is that some believe that certain members whom are primarly pvp'ers are being unfairly biased against, and their posts/topics are more likely to be edited/deleted, and that individual receiving warning points or being banned.
 
Krawn ss'ed the discussion that led to him being banned, and it was basically the mod believing that his post was sarcastic the contents of his post were well within the guidelines of the forum policy. 
 
Now when we make posts that maybe approach the line of being unaccepatble we're much more likely to be punished than other groups. Someone says something about raid parses that is inflammatory that thread isnt getting touched, but if it's pvp related yeah....
 
We're tired of being under represented decisions that affect pvp, and when that frustration comes to a head getting punished for voicing that frustration.
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This conversation would be a lot different, if this game had a decent number of PvPers.
 
Remember, if your skin isn't thick enough to handle what someone types to you over the internet--- use the ignore feature.
If they repeatedly harass you in-game, use the report feature.
 
Taking offense because you died and someone called you bad?  That's kind of pathetic really.
 
@Byonna :  You mean you did something to make fun of me, maliciously, with the intent to hurt my feelings, as a form of forum / twitch Player versus Player, and I didn't throw my arms up and scream that this community is for the dogs, X player is immature, we're all 12, karate is an honorable sport?
 
Do you think that might be because my skin is a little thicker, I don't think Elektra actually wants me to kill myself irl (even though he really might *shrug*), and I'm not a "stupid idiot, gosh," like your insults led to believe?
 
Weird, and I didn't even put you on ignore.
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It blows me away that the PvPers in this thread are trying to argue that the mods are biased because they don't allow smacktalk on the forums--the "right" to toss around insults in open violation of the forums rules, which few if any people are going to support--when they could be arguing that the mods are biased because of exchanges like this one.
 
 
If I've understood the thread in question correctly, the thread topic "Hey, let's make raid gear accessible to casual PvEers after a few days of trying to raid, win or lose" that draws in recent changes to PvP gear to illustrate the design philosophy that would support that suggestion seems like a completely valid topic for either the PvE forums or the general discussion forum to me.
 
You might not agree with the OP's idea that PvE and PvP should have identical design philosophies--and I personally don't--but it's certainly a completely valid topic of discussion among all people interested in PvE for whatever reason.
 
Assuming, of course, that the exchange is in fact being presented without editing or modification--which I recognize is not necessarily a safe assumption to make.	
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I don't feel buster casey was out of line in that thread, to be honest.
 
He asked you plenty of times to keep on topic of the section, even though it was in bad taste and make a thread on the pvp forums so you could discuss in more detail your ideas where it would be in better context with the right niche and community of the forums. It was an idea about pvp primarily, even though pve was involved.. and for a mod trying to explain that without someone taking it personal is difficult.
 
I can see why it was unfair for you, but I can also see the moderator's point of view.
 
Being a mod sucks.	
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I don't feel buster casey was out of line in that thread, to be honest.
 
He asked you plenty of times to keep on topic of the section, even though it was in bad taste and make a thread on the pvp forums so you could discuss in more detail your ideas where it would be in better context with the right niche and community of the forums. It was an idea about pvp primarily, even though pve was involved.. and for a mod trying to explain that without someone taking it personal is difficult.
 
I can see why it was unfair for you, but I can also see the moderator's point of view.
 
Being a mod sucks.
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But remember, to a moderator he may have thought it was more applicable in the pvp section, as it was for pvp players not pve.
 
Like I said, it's interpretation that's the issue here, not the moderator himself.
 
I myself, would like it in the GD as it would be open to everyone then the mods move it as applicable.
 
Ofc a past history of trolling or behaviour should not influence a moderators bias, so at least buster may have made a mistake there... 
But it is tough, and like I said I can see both sides of the frustration.	
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If you have an issue with moderation, or a moderator, or want to discuss policies, please email: theredphone@carbinestudios.com - we don't allow for discussion of moderation on the forums. 
 
If you're concerned about why you're receiving a warning, or why a post was moderated you are always welcome to PM a moderator and discuss it, or email the red phone. We're not always going to see eye to eye, but you are welcome to an explanation. The majority of them are pretty straight forward, but we are human. 
 
- Team WildStar 	
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Hey Everyone - 
 
I know Chillia already addressed this thread, but I thought it might be nice if you received a response from your friendly neighborhood Community Manager, and Buster and Chillia's supervisor. :)I hope that I can at least waylay some of the negativity surrounding our Moderators. I won't go into details about the actual act of moderating the WildStar forums, it's not easy, and often thankless, but I assure you that Chillia and Buster do it exceptionally well and at the Community Team's instruction. No severe action is taken against a forum member unless it meets with a Manager's approval, and even then, it's done with careful consideration. 
 
Any and all moderation actions taken on these forums adhere directly to the Code of Conduct (it's linked in my signature for the curious), and I implore everyone who is on the WildStar forums to familiarize themselves with the Code. The rules are not a suggestion, and when they are broken, we advise the Moderators to take action. If you disagree with this action, you have the opportunity to appeal it using TheRedPhone@CarbineStudios.com email. The overall sentiment is simple though, follow the rules and you'll be perfectly fine.
 
So, that's all I have on this subject and I ask that these threads stop being created. Instead, if anyone has feedback regarding the Moderator staff, please email us.
 
Thanks so much,
 
Deirdre
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