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<- Just a small note. We got unbanned. This time Carbine is super fast :)
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To everyone saying they were flagged wrongly, repeat this motto and check yourselves:
 
One click, one action. One click, one action. One click, one action.
 
Just because your gaming accessory comes with macro software doesn't mean you should use it to automate your gameplay in any fashion, especially if you do so in a way that circumvents deliberately placed limitations in the game client.
 
One click, one action. One click, one action. One click, one action.	
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So I was caught up in this sweep and lost 10 hours game time starting right in prime time guild hours.  I was pointed toward this thread to get answers, but find none.  As with everyone else here, I have nothing but addons and Curse Client, and perhaps my logitec mouse software triggered something... But it would be nice to know for certain what caused my account to get tagged and what I can do to prevent this from happening again.
 
 
TLDR: Bot Catching - good... Not knowing what caused me to get banned - bad.	
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I really like the game, but I'm not made out of money. If I have to pay 20 pounds for two accounts that won't be used for weeks due to a slow response time, then I would rather ask for a refund and buy plants versus zombies: garden warfare to play with my significant other instead.
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To everyone saying they were flagged wrongly, repeat this motto and check yourselves:
 
One click, one action. One click, one action. One click, one action.
 
Just because your gaming accessory comes with macro software doesn't mean you should use it to automate your gameplay in any fashion, especially if you do so in a way that circumvents deliberately placed limitations in the game client.
 
One click, one action. One click, one action. One click, one action.
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			People were so tired of the bots, that now they are like ravenous sharks, who will pick the bones clean of anyone who has been falsely, or rightly banned, and never bat an eye. This includes the devs.	
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This is incorrect, most MMO's including WS have no issues with gaming accessory software, however it may of been the reason for our false flags. 
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You guys have no idea how frustrating it is to read this thread while falsely banned and not be able to post anything. Well, I can confirm it has nothing to do with add-ons as I don't even have any enabled.  Also, my gaming mouse is set to a "one click, one action" configuration so it's not that either.  I'm pretty sure we'll never really know (and for the betterment of the game probably shouldn't) what caused all of the false positives. 
 
The only question I have is what percentage of the bans were incorrect and had to be repealed.  I will use this knowledge to decide whether I should buy a lottery ticket today.	
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You guys have no idea how frustrating it is to read this thread while falsely banned and not be able to post anything. Well, I can confirm it has nothing to do with add-ons as I don't even have any enabled.  Also, my gaming mouse is set to a "one click, one action" configuration so it's not that either.  I'm pretty sure we'll never really know (and for the betterment of the game probably shouldn't) what caused all of the false positives. 
 
The only question I have is what percentage of the bans were incorrect and had to be repealed.  I will use this knowledge to decide whether I should buy a lottery ticket today.
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Using the 2 step authenticator? You might have been hacked and had your account used for gold farming.
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+1
 
My friend who was another false-positive is now back online too. I hope all the other innocent accounts are promptly restored and that Carbine revise their systems to be more pinpoint.
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You guys have no idea how frustrating it is to read this thread while falsely banned and not be able to post anything. Well, I can confirm it has nothing to do with add-ons as I don't even have any enabled.  Also, my gaming mouse is set to a "one click, one action" configuration so it's not that either.  I'm pretty sure we'll never really know (and for the betterment of the game probably shouldn't) what caused all of the false positives. 
 
The only question I have is what percentage of the bans were incorrect and had to be repealed.  I will use this knowledge to decide whether I should buy a lottery ticket today.
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 We’ll work to resolve those cases if they happen. Based on the reports, this shouldn’t be a category – but errors can happen, and in the interest of transparency, if it happens we’ll investigate and use that to refine our searches further.
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What an awful way to approach a development strategy, from one developer to another... mistakes were made. Not only have you now banned players who did not deserve this punishment with your solution, you have impacted thousands of others who are now stuck waiting on key guild members for attunement/raiding/PvP progress.We were on mumble last night with 2 real life friends and 2 other guild mates in a vet adventure working to get gold for attunement when suddenly our tank and guild leader, DC's with a ban message.  Guess that's a wrap then?  Add insult to injury it gives us all deserter status when we vote to disband afterward. This should be slated as urgent top priority on your kanban board because that massive "IF" should have been approached as a "WHEN".
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			Nice! Thanks and stay vigilant!	
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No MMO I've ever played allowed or supported the use of automation via 3rd party macro software of any sort, whether or not it came with your mouse/keyboard/gamepad. Most have explicitly disallowed it. It's all in how you use it.
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			i am glad to hear this. i am constantly getting spammed as soon as i log in by gold spammers with those stupid invites. I don't mean 1 or two times, but for ten - fifteen minutes straight. so really happy to see progress in banning these creeps <3 keep it up!	
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I didn't logged yesterday, so no idea if I'm in that group, but since can log to site/forum I guess no.  I have the common addons used to bypass some of the mechanics (Simon, tap), and a couple of gui enhancements.  I knew of some at launch that were using not addons, but keyboard macros to stayed online while they were afk for hours.  Maybe some people who use those before were targeted now.
 
Or may the fault rest in the banning tool if was coded like this:
If MAX_LOG_HOURS < 20 then 
 -- A user cannot be playing more than 20 hours each day for 4 days 
 -- Ban this Son of a Cupcake 
 BanUser('player')
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What I mean is that since even some of the in build addons and even the report spam options where bugged when introduced, it may be a bug in the script logic. But like they said, they will refine the tools, and very likely false positives will become less and less common on each subsequent bot clean.	
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I lost 70 pounds in total
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Clearly they were already reviewing logs, knowing full well potential "innocents" were impacted, and by the responses in this thread alone, numerous folks were unbanned within just a few hours without even having to reply to the ban notice e-mail. So that "if" you mentioned was actually already a "when".
 
Since you volunteered "as one developer to another": As a manager of a 24 person development team, what specifically, would you do to guarantee not a single non-bot was banned? I'd really like to know because when dealing with hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of accounts/actions/logs, if you have some method or technique to guarantee 100% there are no unintended consequences, -ever-, I'd be interested in paying for that bit of magic.
 
We can also talk about the indemnification and charge-back clause -when- issues do happen as part of the payment negotiations of course.
 
I can see you value your gold achievement in dungeons more highly than the folks who were unable to harvest/craft for a week while the bots strip-mined every zone past whitevale. Add insult to injury, you make more assumptions than a half-blind man trying to guess where a needle is in a haystack through a tornado at night.
 
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Logic... has failed you. When I initially visited curse to grab some add-ons, I viewed these automaton add-ons like "Simple Simon" and "Tap That" out of curiosity. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to IMMEDIATELY REALIZE ITS CHEATING... what fool downloads that crap? If you happen to be one of them, then clearly you don't get it. Does a crazy person realize they're crazy? Who knows right? lol. While its not detrimental to gameplay imo if somebody does use those, its pretty clear that its wrong. Ban the lot of them. 
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I was accidentally banned last night. I lost game time that could have been spent leveling, progressing, etc. I find this to be totally... acceptable. The game will be much more enjoyable now with the bots.
 
Thank you Carbine for going after the botters, spammers and pharmers with the blindsiding tactic. In my experience with other MMOs, it took the developers a couple months (60 days!) to begin to ferret out the hackorz. Three cheers for Carbine!
 
I know some were calling for a "heads up" and whatnot on the ban, but come on. You don't declare to someone that you believe them to be cheating at cards and will investigate them in a week. They will just clean up their act until the heat dies down. You watch quietly to catch them in the act and then knock their *cupcake* in the dirt with the banhammer!
 
Edit: Account restored this morning, yay! Don't forget to check/set your subscription back up. I had to put my info back in.	
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It's amazing how many developers there are on MMO forums.
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			I love how these cheaters are pissed because they werent given a heads up about the mass bans. Kinda defeats  the whole purpose of the bans if they were given time to clean up all their cheats, bots and hacks. Looks good on them. Please go cheat in another game and leave this game to the real players.	
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Doing something that will ban innocents en masse is so *cupcake* stupid. Where were the warnings of possible things that would ban innocents? Are you guys *cupcake* serious with this right now? Are you patting yourself on the backs for a shitty job done? I didn't even get banned but the shear stupidity of doing something that would just willy nilly permaban people is deserving of nothing more than you guys giving out extra free months. I am so apalled right now that such little research into possible false positive addons or other such tweaks went in before you decide to hit the big red button. Do you guys not remember the mass bannings GW2 for stupid reasons? You are *cupcake* with subscribers here not F2P peasants. Whoever OK'd this should be severely disciplined because there was a severe judgement lapse in doing this. Shame on you Carbine. Honestly this deserves nothing less than to blow up in your face and have you make ammends to innocent players who have to be without the game THAT HAS BEEN PAID FOR FOR THIS FIRST MONTH BY THE WAY. I can't even believe this is a thing. 
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			and about addons? is there any risk?	
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My spamming is angering people, but I could have an explanation for this. It could be because banned people can't post here, so only those that have significant others or siblings can have their opinions expressed trough their close family members.
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and about guest keys....
 
http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/guest-passes/
 
Just remember that these passes are intended for you to share with friends, any misbehaving on a guest account may have repercussions for the associated account as well!	
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Um. You'll be playing alone soon. Thanking them for that? Hard to group when this place turns into a ghost-town. But you'll win every arena. So you got that going for you, which is nice.
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			I am curious why a disabled veteran using an assistive device and software to play the game got banned.	
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My comment wasn't really meant to be at you. I want the game to move on without the botters and farmers. But they need to restore and reverse all of these bans, better explain what the detector looks for, and then put it back it in a day so that there is ample time for the player-base to adjust and make changes. And then the botters/farmers will get the ban hammer and the normal players will not.
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I'm guessing that the algorithm they use, looks for repetitive behavior.  I have limited play time in the evening after my kids go to bed, so when I log on, many nights I will just queue practice BG's, one after another, for 2-3 hours.  I'm certainly not afk/botting the BG's... I'm typically near top damage and/or carrying masks.
 
I also doubt that the actual cheaters here are spending any time on the forums complaining.  The gold sellers and people botting to sell accounts, just write it off and start another account.	
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Addons like SImple Simon should be bannable. Play it as it's meant to be.
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My account has been fixed as well. Mini heart attack averted!
Thank you Carbine for looking into the banned accounts.	
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I am curious why a disabled veteran using an assistive device and software to play the game got banned.
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			Additionally, those of us posting about this have been re-instated.. which means someone at carbine looked at our case and decided that we weren't in violation.  I think it's pretty obvious that there is a glitch in the system Milton.	
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At first you said it was your friend then it turned out to be your significant other which is it?? Love these lies.
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I love how these cheaters are pissed because they werent given a heads up about the mass bans. Kinda defeats  the whole purpose of the bans if they were given time to clean up all their cheats, bots and hacks. Looks good on them. Please go cheat in another game and leave this game to the real players.
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The game is meant to be played with Addons. Thats why people can write addons.....
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There's still hope for those who were wrongfully banned. I got this email before my ticket was even reviewed. 
 
"We have completed our review of your account logs, and it appears you may have been caught by our bot/hacker sweep accidentally.  At this time, we are releasing your account restriction, so you can now log back in and continue playing. If you have submitted a ticket regarding this, please visit our support site and close your ticket."	
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			There's a difference between reinstated and found innocent. It's entirely possible that in some cases they decided to err on the side of the player where the evidence proved inconclusive on second review. I wouldn't be surprised though if all of those accounts are flagged to watch for suspicious behavior in the future.	
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Wildstar : The devs are listening....and watching :P
 
 
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We are always watching  :ph34r: .
 
 
 
 
EDIT: While we don't necessarily want to give out all of our secrets (as the bad guys are reading this as much as you good guys/gals are), we are totally comfortable saying that no one got banned for running AddOns. 
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Ohhh i was just waiting for one of these posts. Any botter can claim to be disabled but if your use automated 3rd party software disabled or not your getting banned.
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I am curious why a disabled veteran using an assistive device and software to play the game got banned.
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There's a difference between reinstated and found innocent. It's entirely possible that in some cases they decided to err on the side of the player where the evidence proved inconclusive on second review. I wouldn't be surprised though if all of those accounts are flagged to watch for suspicious behavior in the future.
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Ohhh i was just waiting for one of these posts. Any botter can claim to be disabled but if your use automated 3rd party software disabled or not your getting banned.
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This is possible and would sort of explain why nobody has made any sort of apology or given any sort of explanation (they don't want to say they were wrong until they're sure they actually were wrong) but the idea of being on some watch list and having my actions scrutinized for something I was never guilty of is unnerving. 
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			Teleport bots are already back on the server Orias. 	
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Combined with the heavy-handed language of the notification email I'm having a hard time trusting Carbine to provide good service or act in good faith in the future. Particularly when the automated un-banned email directs to this post which has literally no information about what activity may have lead to a ban in the first place. I don't use any external software/macros/ahk and they've already said it isn't addons (I only use UI addons anyway). So how can I avoid this in the future, as the email suggests I should come here to learn?  
 
I'm sure I'll be accused of some type of malicious activity and whining here (as has been the case with multiple other people expressing their frustration about unwarranted bans), but as a company that claims to be transparent and responsive to the community, I can't imagine that other innocent people caught up in this ban wave have particularly different feelings than me. With this coming barely 2 weeks past the game going live it doesn't inspire confidence in your long-term ability to manage the game or the community, in the sense of choosing a blunt instrument for a delicate task (banning paying customers), and this should be particularly salient with the subscription period approaching.	
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My comment wasn't really meant to be at you. I want the game to move on without the botters and farmers. But they need to restore and reverse all of these bans, better explain what the detector looks for, and then put it back it in a day so that there is ample time for the player-base to adjust and make changes. And then the botters/farmers will get the ban hammer and the normal players will not.
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I just like to say THANK YOU!!!
 
All of the botters I had tagged as rivals to track are now gone from my maps, and hearing the rage in Zone from Guilds that lost their "farmers" is music to my ears. I remain hopeful that I won't see many of those on my ignore list ever again :)
 
As for all those claiming to have been wrongly banned (but were using game hacks to get around the anti-bot minigames): 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g
 
Thanks again Carbine!	
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			Wonderful to hear; thanks for the update.	
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Great job Carbine! I didn't know there was a mass ban last night, but I felt something wasn't right when I joined the BGs and we actually had a full team playing. There were a few matches that had 1-2 bots running around, but man it was so much better.
 
Keep up the hard work! Loving this game!	
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Quote: I don’t gotta understand the reasons behind such actions 
 
 
spoken like a man.	
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			Thank you! I had just started to notice the farmbots popping up, even in low-level areas. I know they'll be back, but it's good to hear that Carbine is actively working against them. Can't wait for the reporting tools to come out!	
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I just like to say THANK YOU!!!
 
All of the botters I had tagged as rivals to track are now gone from my maps, and hearing the rage in Zone from Guilds that lost their "farmers" is music to my ears. I remain hopeful that I won't see many of those on my ignore list ever again :)
 
As for all those claiming to have been wrongly banned (but were using game hacks to get around the anti-bot minigames): 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g
 
Thanks again Carbine!
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			I must say you've done a pretty poor job so far, I got banned for no reason, it got sorted out but no apology or reimbursement.	
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Uh I hope you reported those....
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			I'm sure it's not no reason. It may be no good reason (and it may be with good reason that they felt didn't stand up to a second review), but it's almost certainly not no reason.	
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Meaning during the sweep of 3rd party software that it is entirely possible that it could flag an add-on. ....and some disabled players useing assistance software as a bot..and so on and so on..... accidents do happen hence the name...
 
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			The OP would explain what just happen to my account. Haven't played in 4-5 days, was questing Algoroc. When I logged back in today I was in Whitevale, in the middle of nowhere and have about 45g more than what I had before and inventory with nothing but ore chunks and gems. Glad to see you guys trying to take action, but might force me to stop playing this game altogether now. I didn't run any 3rd party add-ons nor any add-ons for that matter for this game, just in default frames/settings.	
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I'm sure it's not no reason. It may be no good reason (and it may be with good reason that they felt didn't stand up to a second review), but it's almost certainly not no reason.
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*cupcake* got real !!
 
good to hear Carbine that the Bot onslaught has begun. Mechari should be scared :E	
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Actually, you have no idea what triggered the false positive and are purely speculating, end of story. You didn't write the code to do the check, you aren't reviewing internal game logs, and you (and everyone else saying this) certainly have no proof that an add-on from curse (or anywhere else that offers API based addons for download) got you banned. You have nothing but conjecture, supposition, guessing.
 
So while you are understandably frustrated/angry/etc, simply saying "i was banned for addons, I just know it!!!" is like saying "I know the sun has 1.2 billion years left!!! I just know it!!11one11!!".
 
Its also pretty hilarious that you think your little e-mail with a "stern and cocky attitude" was the reason they un-banned you. Lots of folks have also, some in this very thread, reported being un-banned after NO action on their part meaning Carbine has been reviewing actual logs and taking action based on those logs for those that may have been flagged by a false positive.
 
No, your little "cocky and stern" e-mail was like yelling at the toll-booth attendant because after being in the 102 degree heat inside a metal box on an asphalt oven for 10 hours a day she forgot your receipt. 
 
You know about as much of what triggered the false positive as a muskrat does about the orbits of the planets.
 
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Had to log in to like this guy's post.
 
Edit: For the dudes who were swept up in the bans: Suck it up. Yeah, you got a shot to the pills, if you did nothing; it'll get rectified and they said they'll reactivate your activate your account. You're getting your flu shot, man up.
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is there any other authenication type besides the 2 - step thingy i dont have a cell phone ( I know crazy right ?)  but seriously i dont. I use the key ring authenticator's for WoW, Swtor and Gw2 has the email authentication thing but the only thing ive seen for Wildstar is the phone app. :(
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I'm sure it's not no reason. It may be no good reason (and it may be with good reason that they felt didn't stand up to a second review), but it's almost certainly not no reason.
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Had to log in to like this guy's post.
 
Edit: For the dudes who were swept up in the bans: Suck it up. Yeah, you got a shot to the pills, if you did nothing it'll get rectified; They said they'll reactivate your account and folks have had it restated before they were even aware it was closed. You're getting your flu shot, man up.
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Had to log in to like this guy's post.
 
Edit: For the dudes who were swept up in the bans: Suck it up. Yeah, you got a shot to the pills, if you did nothing it'll get rectified; They said they'll reactivate your account and folks have had it restated before they were even aware it was closed. You're getting your flu shot, man up.
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Your wording is interesting especially knowing that you ban them for 2 weeks and then unban them. Seems like botter cash tastes the same as normal player cash.
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please ban this botter !!
 
EU - Zhur
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvEICe1YCgw
 
i wrote 3 tickets all "auto reponse"
 
and  i saw him today in game ! :(	
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well rounded *cupcake* sapiens
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It seems you got *cupcaked* trying to use the proper Latin name for the human species ;)
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There was some discussion on bans occurring because of addons.  I don't believe they are unless those addons are going against the TOS.
 
http://www.twitch.tv/wildstar/b/530569840
 
 
This was the nexus report from 5/20.  They go in depth about the API and addons.  At around 38 mins the simon says addon is mentioned.  While that addon does help to automate the the minigames, it doesn't put any other player at a disadvantage.	
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The line below that raises huge suspicion to this much anticipated post...
 
"Thousands of other accounts are on a watch list – we’re actually pretty sure they’ve been hacking/botting.  In the interest in limiting banning potential innocents, we will be looking at past logs and monitoring future behavior to see if it’s repeated and ban accordingly."
 
In short, a scare tactic, or a smoke screen nothing being done.
 
Sorry but the last 50 games, has made me a skeptic. SOE Planetside 2, in game saying "We are watching" Yet the game didnt even have
cheat protection, and everyone else releasing games to date has lied... So this kinda tells me no real bans are coming, Carbine might be playing the corporate game, but we shall see. I want Wildstar to succeed, but the stalker issues and this botting issue, and my past experience with games, not seeing much new here in a stance against the evils	
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The line below that raises huge suspicion to this much anticipated post...
 
"Thousands of other accounts are on a watch list – we’re actually pretty sure they’ve been hacking/botting.  In the interest in limiting banning potential innocents, we will be looking at past logs and monitoring future behavior to see if it’s repeated and ban accordingly."
 
In short, a scare tactic, or a smoke screen nothing being done.
 
Sorry but the last 50 games, has made me a skeptic. SOE Planetside 2, in game saying "We are watching" Yet the game didnt even have
cheat protection, and everyone else releasing games to date has lied... So this kinda tells me no real bans are coming, Carbine might be playing the corporate game, but we shall see. I want Wildstar to succeed, but the stalker issues and this botting issue, and my past experience with games, not seeing much new here in a stance against the evils
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Let's be realistic. The entire genre is a joke from wow onward because "reject" and "preteen" cash is the same as Mmorpg Puritan cash.
 
The single reason the genre has gone from it's hayday and become an action game with a chat component is due to greed. Plain and simple.
 
They could keep the genre pure and have hundreds of thousands of happy and paying subscribers - rpg lovers and people seeking immersion.
 
Or they can let a bunch of rude self serving Xbox live kids with no back bone control the direction of the genre - and due to the bell curve which states their are many more of them 100:1 than well rounded *cupcake* sapiens - the devs went for the latter. Now the genre has millions more and their pockets are fatter. Of course this was at the expense of the very genre itself.
 
Now if they're willing to pervert an entire genre and subset of gaming over money - what makes you think they won't seek to keep money from a bunch of Chinese guys being paid 25c a day to farm?
 
They get more money. Their game seems more populated. They get inflated subscriber and sales numbers. The in game economy seems more lively and I might add - the principle means of these bots profiting is via the auction house all the kids with a short attention span cried for. Imagine a game like one of the real mmos of old. A game where you had to peddle your own wares? Whether it be via selling, or trading or some combination of both. You think CGF would even be capable of doing such since they can't speak Engrish well? Or even be willing to spend the time? You eliminate a great deal of their viability and return a bit of immersion and make it that much closer to a real mmo again.
 
Course I'm getting way off topic here. TLDR - cash is king. Why do u think blizzard and carbine are both participating in RMT. Blizzard is now selling characters pre leveled and carbine is selling gold. Why is it had for others to do so? Food for thought.
 
But seriously, they are a business. They will placate the group which is made up of the most people in a way which will allow them to make the most money. It's impossible to stop. If they wanted to stop make the games less theme park kiddie action chat lobby instance and more mmorpg. How much botting and rmt did you see in everquest? Cause during my 7 year endeavor there I saw ... Well I didn't see any .
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			So the bans are not bans but suspensions? Lol, why didnt I bot my ass off	
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			See how that works, next im botting.. why suffer when you allow me to help myself.. oh let me take that a step forward.. why am i even paying to play the game... see ya in the chapter 4 line	
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So the bans are not bans but suspensions? Lol, why didnt I bot my ass off
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			Now seriously, im banned 1 day for error i understand this can happens, but now need compensate the errors with something guys.	
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We left out a key patch note the other day:
 
We’ve added additional logging and hack/bot detection into WildStar 
The first round of mass bannings for hacking/botting will happen tonight.  Thousands of accounts will be banned based on log crawls and cheat detection.    We’ve already banned numerous accounts over the last weeks based on player reports and GM investigations.
 
Thousands of other accounts are on a watch list – we’re actually pretty sure they’ve been hacking/botting.  In the interest in limiting banning potential innocents, we will be looking at past logs and monitoring future behavior to see if it’s repeated and ban accordingly.
 
Now, what will happen over the next few days:
Some folks will post over the next few days saying they were inappropriately banned.  They’ll fall into three categories:Many were actually hacking, and will stay banned.
Some won't know they were hacking but their accounts were compromised and have been used for gold farming. We will resolve these issues on a case by case basis.  PLEASE consider enabling two-factor authentication, this is way more common than you’d think.   https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/77290-account-compromise-and-re-securing-your-account/.
It's possible some weren’t hacking and were caught in the sweep by accident.  We’ll work to resolve those cases if they happen. Based on the reports, this shouldn’t be a category – but errors can happen, and in the interest of transparency, if it happens we’ll investigate and use that to refine our searches further.
We’ll also be further scrubbing the logs to get the next batch of folks.   And the next.
We’re also in the process of adding further click-and-report functionality to make it easier to report folks, and we’re working to automate as much of this as possible. There is no exact ETA on this, but it’s in the hopper.
 
After we ban the first batch, more will come back and their scripts and such will improve. Our logging will improve, and report tools will improve, and we’ll keep fighting this fight. 
 
(An aside, from a place of honesty here - I sincerely don’t understand the player that tries to level up by AFK botting - they make instanced Battlegrounds less fun, and we’re going to ban healthy percentages of them. This wastes money and time (both ours and theirs). And pisses you, the honest player, off.  Lose-lose-lose.  That being said, I don’t gotta understand the reasons behind such actions – they’re still going to get banned, we’re going to focus heavily on those going forwards.)
 
(Gold farmers I hate too, but at least I can understand the reasons behind their actions. They’re trying to make money by spamming, ripping off accounts, and gold, and wasting our support/dev time, which is unethical and borderline evil but at least rational.  I really suggest not buying gold from them if you actually care about such things).
 
In any case, we devs have been playing a lot of WildStar too, and have been annoyed as well by farmbots starting to appear at mining nodes, and by folks mucking up battleground games by AFKbotting. Both suck, and while there will be many stages to the war against these kinds of folks, it’s a battle that has to be fought even if it’s a distraction from what we’d rather be doing - adding content, fixing bugs, and making the game better.  We'll keep doing that as well despite the distraction.
 
Anyhoo, this is the first wave of what I’m sure will be an ongoing battle.  I don’t guarantee perfection, but I do guarantee we’ll do our part in the fight.   As for what you can do: if you keep reporting we’ll keep banning.
 
Thanks -
 
-jg
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Jee-zus!  People are bragging on how they've been teleporting around the zones "like a mofo" and they've beat this ban wave by sending a ticket in.  While the people using one specific hack are reporting that the hack is clean from detection (so far).
 
If you devs need the info on the site, contact me.  Don't mind helping.  Would love to see these guys stopped especially since they've added aimbots to the ESP.	
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I did find the Pvp-matchs a lot cleaner, and malgrave and grimfault with less bot farmers , i did found one that i reported[and have a Screenshot but cant post it , soo i do believe that carbine is banning them but this is a fight that we all should join.
 
a campaing in the forums and reddit to instimulate players to protect their account with the autenticator on their phones, reporting the bots,  and constant upgrades from carbine is what need to be done to fight the gold sellers and botters. 
 
the autentication is something that need to be  done, i see lots of bots that are on Guilds, and look like normal caracthers who have guilds etc , probably players who got hacked.	
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			Another false positive here, recently unbanned but with no information about why the ban happened, no meaningful apology, no remuneration for the lost day (an additional day on the subscription seems fair).  It's good that they're targeting bots with some success, and equally good that they figured out that they made a mistake and corrected it, but some kind of customer care for those they've just trampled over would be good.	
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Every mmo from EQ on wards and now Wildstar bans him out of the blue.
 
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Got the e-mail this morning that I was banned by mistake yet I'm still banned in game.
 
This is ridiculous. I'm basically banned for a week over nothing because of how insane the support backlog is. 	
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			i think that 99% of thoose people or are truly bot, or got their account hacked. 	
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Help! 
Someone has hacked into my account and I don't know what to do!
Please can someone help me?
I log in to find my avatar in an unknown area!	
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Help! 
Someone has hacked into my account and I don't know what to do!
Please can someone help me?
I log in to find my avatar in an unknown area!
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LMAO!!!!
I found this one on the Elitepvpers Website:
 	
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			Thank you, LET THE BANNING COMMENCE! There is way too much sympathy being garnered by actual cheaters in this thread and hopefully Carbine is smart enough to catch onto it. I'd bet dollars to donuts that 0.001% of the people banned are truly innocent. There's certainly a majority of people here involved in illegal botting rings that are trying to stir up dissent to combat the mass bannings. Don't let these lame ducks fool you. A few innocent suckers having to deal with customer service for a couple days is a fine price to pay for keeping the economy from being completely destroyed. Anyone who would have it any other way should be banned too.	
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			go carbine go! pewpew on dem botters/hackers, smash dem cupcakes!	
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			THANK YOU!!!! THHAANNNNNNKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!	
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			If you were botting and banned don't get other people to post on forums, you got caught as devs went through logs deal with it. Any innocent getting banned is horrible but given carbines swift action in the ban wave, investigation will probably not take long. You will gain nothing from forum posts and testimonials, they are going through the logs, if you got banned; a. you were teleporting/using botwareb. hacked and ip address is in Tiawan etc, very obvious and easily rectified.c. magical program was incorrectly tagged as automated software by talented devs capable of making a product of this quality. Rectified if legitimate program got flagged...unicorns may exist.Thank you so much Carbine, before the update Grimvault was full of lvl 3-20s teleporting between recourse nodes and then floating above them for harvest, teleporting away, often aggroing mobs and killing genuine players. This may not seem that bad but think, recourse nodes in this game are on a map cooldown, not player. Someone cheating using easily detectable botware jumping to identical locations / identical keystroke timing etc is actually taking the node from every person in zone, legitimate high level players with 50g amp resets n 20g repairs that the nodes help offset.        If you were botting experts used tools to scan logs, detected and banned. Potential innocent players caught in ban wave either have faith that this will be easily fixed or put down the bull-shit paint brush because it won't work, logs were recorded doh. Cheating is cheating, non goldfarmers that got banned, buy the game again, don't cheat; view this loss of time/money as a consequence, deserved, yours and noone elses.. This instantly fixed the recourse bot party in gv and given playbase faith in carbines management.*To stop the recourse bot issue entirely would it be possible to lvl cap gtools? tier4 tool=tier4 node (item lvl 44)Could either make tools also unequipable before x level or limit the ability to purchase from vendor until that level. That way anyone risking gathering high level nodes has an acocunt with significant time input to reach that level and would be unlikely to risk cheating for virtual gold.*On a related note, goldspam mail now has worthless items attached, does this pose a security/flag risk to players?I report but always get addon error, peronally immediately delete the mail+item, but this method in goldseller spam means you have to clear mail attachment before deleting. Occured to me this may get us flagged. If this is a risk can reporting delete the mail or please add 2 stage mail delete if attachment present i.e "this letter has item attached, are you sure you want to delete? type yes"Congratulations to all the designers involved, this is by far the most effective and efficient bot ban wave I've seen in an mmo. Only the unsatisfied scream, but this is a strong resounding action and  means alot to the legitimate playerbase. 	
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if you got banned; 
a. you were teleporting/using botware
b. hacked and ip address is in Tiawan etc, very obvious and easily rectified.
c. magical program was incorrectly tagged as automated software by talented devs capable of making a product of this quality. Rectified if legitimate program got flagged...unicorns may exist.
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			If a legitimate program got flagged it would be rectified, and has been pretty fast. Innocent users been temporarily suspended pending investigation after a banwave is a risk of 3rd party software in an mmo that allows open source addons; the writers of those addons got ppl incorrectly flagged not carbine. They wrote a search/destroy script which destroyed botters, gw2 took 3-4mths after launch to do anything about bots, this carbine ban was done 24hrs after bot party started. Quite a promising sign and points to a stable, well maintained and fair mmo from a company with appropriate resources. It could just be the measures that are taken to accurately resolve these tickets, as they need to look at individual logs, which is programmers not customer support (support just refer the ticket/claim for professional evaluation). Sorry you got afew days off mate and you probably should get x1 elder gem or something but things happen. When I was installing retail copy launch day server dropout caused digital download for remaining portion of client, taking me $60 over data cap and 16hr install at launch, it sucked but the game was there after the process.The apology was implied in the dev message, no company would ever enjoy legitimate customers been punished but it was necessary to get the bulk, then afew outliers due to poorly written addon are reinstated very quickly. It's not passing judgement on anyone but bots, which take map wide re-spawns from people, they got permabanned, decent players like you are back in game. Of coarse carbine screwed up, with you, but they didn't with 99.9% of the detection which has meant the game economy won't crumble and the hours you now put in are more rewarding as mats hold prices.Enjoy the game, bittersweet for you but think about how quickly this was solved (20-30bots in grimvault on 1 server at a time-gone). Mass ban, fast review and minority of accounts restored within a very short time. Carbine deserves kudos and you deserve an apology or perhaps those days added to your sub.Welcome back 2 nexus :)	
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Well my account has just been hacked and my inventory sold off whilst taking all my cash.
 
This is the first time I haven't had an authenticator due to trying repeatedly to get one setup and it failing every time (I have now installed winauth and changed my password which I only discovered on this site post hack).
 
Very frustrated right now as my afternoon off to reach 50 is now wasted as I cannot quest naked :(
 
What is the point of having protected IP adresses authorised on the account if anyone can still login and hack your account?
 
Very disappointing and the first MMO I haven't had an authenticator setup on which shows their importance, just wish the setup was more user freindly.	
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			  "PLEASE consider enabling two-factor authentication, this is way more common than you’d think. https://forums.wilds...g-your-account/." I WOULD LOVE TOO! ONCE YA'LL ADD THE APP FOR WINDOWS PHONE!! PLEASE :D	
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"PLEASE consider enabling two-factor authentication, this is way more common than you’d think. https://forums.wilds...g-your-account/."
 
 
I WOULD LOVE TOO! ONCE YA'LL ADD THE APP FOR WINDOWS PHONE!! PLEASE :D
 
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I use addons, many of the addons others have mentioned using in this thread.
 
I do not bot or gold farm or use any kind of hacks and guess what? No ban for me :)
 
IF I was caught and banned in error, just like the prior notice post from the devs said could happen in a few cases, I would wait patiently to be unbanned as I understand this action is for the good of the game and the community. I'm still in my free month so a few days is neither here nor there if it's in the best interests of the community.
 
Methinks some of you dost protest a little too much ;)	
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My brother was banned for illegal 3rd party program. He does not bot. His guy is only 30 due to work/family. This is very disappointing. He helped in many betas and bought the deluxe addition and now his account is closed. Every mmo from EQ on wards and now Wildstar bans him out of the blue.
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			Hello my friend that i play with since the beggining of the game has been banned for using 3rd party programs but he never used anything like that.He only used the Curse client to install addons and nothing else.He created a ticket 24 hours ago but still no answer from the support.I leave the link to his ticket with the timestamps:   https://i.imgur.com/RlGB2lH.png	
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Well, this was lovely for all of about five minutes before all the bots came back.
 
There are no nodes at all in Grimvault on my server. 	
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			When people stop buying their products, there will be no spammers. I find nodes easily enough (only tier 3) but my biggest complaint is getting random invites to pvp groups from gold sellers lol. 	
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When people stop buying their products, there will be no spammers. I find nodes easily enough (only tier 3) but my biggest complaint is getting random invites to pvp groups from gold sellers lol. 
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"PLEASE consider enabling two-factor authentication, this is way more common than you’d think. https://forums.wilds...g-your-account/."
 
 
I WOULD LOVE TOO! ONCE YA'LL ADD THE APP FOR WINDOWS PHONE!! PLEASE :D
 
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My friends account fell into this mass ban. We live in the same place, I know that he wasn't botting or hacking. The odd thing though is that we didn't even get a message about it. We both submitted tickets, but really if this will take a while I would rather cancel my suub and seek a refund than lose days worth of playing time that I'm paying for.
 
Ticket number #458705
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"My brother has been banned for no reason from every MMO since the beginning of time"
 
Woooooow. Think about what you just said and reassess things. That is NOT normal.	
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Well, this was lovely for all of about five minutes before all the bots came back.
 
There are no nodes at all in Grimvault on my server. 
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For the PvP bots .. it actually is very simple, all it would require is for a GM to simply sit and watch for the bots.
It is not like it is a complex thing to spot or see, Monitoring the PvP matches is not that hard to do IMO.	
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			Any official response on the false positive bans?  Has anyone heard anything?  I'd like to hear something from the horses mouth ... excluding the automated e-mail with such gems as "At this time, we are releasing your account restriction", which sounds like the kind of thing you say to someone you've released due to lack of evidence but otherwise believe is guilty.	
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			So I have a differen't account that has been banned from this because it was hacked while I was at work, how long until my support ticket gets answered? I made it 2 days ago.	
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It sounds like you both got banned and likely for good reason. Funny to read people claiming to be falsely banned. You got caught man. Deal with it. I got busted in Aion after almost a year. I didn't cry or make up stories. I knew the risks as did you :)
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Wilderrun (Eko EU) is, right now, overrun by teleporting bots. I've just reported 8, but that's not even a 3rd of those I have seen in the last hour alone.
Unless you are standing next to a node when it spawns, you might as well give up trying to reach it in time.
 
It's really frustrating when you need materials for crafting, and it sucks the joy out of playing.	
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For the PvP bots .. it actually is very simple, all it would require is for a GM to simply sit and watch for the bots.
It is not like it is a complex thing to spot or see, Monitoring the PvP matches is not that hard to do IMO.
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			Is there something being done about the hordes of gold farmer that are hacking the game? They are all on level 10 ish account flying around at mach 10. This is still happening as of june 21st 2014. They then proceed to mine not only mine nodes but flower nodes from huge ranges with the mining gun. It is seriously in the range of a few hundred meters. They tend to be in the Grimvault zones but they could be anywhere to be honest. I just wanted to make sure that the game developers were away of this issue.	
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My significant other was also just banned for illegal use of third party programming. 
Request #459393 Looking to get this resolved ASAP List of Addons are 
AMP Finder
AuraMastery
Ayth_quest 
BetterWho
BijiPlates
CommodityStats 
CurrencyCount 
CustomFoV
EzSocial Bar
Galaxy Meter 
Group Radar 
Hephaestus 
IconLoot 
InstantQuestAceept 
JunkIt 
Movable Frames 
NoOfflineRoster 
Potatoui 
ProcsHUD 
ProtoMail 
Raretracker
Scrappy 
TapThat
TheZone 
Zen Radar
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			Could the developers just speak out against hardware macros so the player base understands that they are not ok to use.	
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I was excited to hear this new, until this morning when I am running around Galeras on Evindra server, and every time I'd fight my way up to a node to mine it, this jackoff with a hack/flying/mining bot comes swooping in with no name tag visible,(yeah, I know you're still working on that bug)  mines the node in less than a second and *poof* flies up in the air off to the next node.
 
Seriously, how hard is it to have a GM monitor a server/zone at random and see these fun suckers ruining the experience and economy of honest players?
 
"Just report him" you say?
 
Gee why didn't I think of that, I would have but I couldn't even click on him fast enough to see what his name was.	
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He may be innocent of botting and you can petition against it and they will look into it, but more then likely he is guilty of using a third party program. People only think botting programs are the culprit here. It also includes things like Macro keyboards and software not used in the game. MMOs ban for macro keyboards as they circumvent the in game macro system and allow you to do things that are not intended in game. Don't use keyboard macros as they rightfully against most games ToS. Some MMOs allow it, but this game doesn't even allow the usual mutli-boxing  through third party programs method, so I doubt they allow hardware macros.
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I actually have the Windows Auth app for my windows phone.
When I go to Wildstars 2 step verification page is where I get confused as to what to do from there.
I am sure I will figure it out.	
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			on Rowsdower you guys are losing the battle this really makes the game time unpleasant	
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I was really pleased to see the first ban wave come through, but sadly my brother who I play with all the time and I can say confidently has not been hacking or botting got banned in the first wave. Just to make the situation worse, there are still plenty of bots running around in PvP, some that I've reported with screenshots, times, and dates of their path and they never got hit in the wave. I really doubt whatever their method for detection is as good as they say it is. 
 
If it was some of these obvious path botters would have got the ban and less of innocent's would have received the ban. I'm sure some people are saying that they're innocent just to get unbanned, but I doubt all of them.	
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Help! 
Someone has hacked into my account and I don't know what to do!
Please can someone help me?
I log in to find my avatar in an unknown area!
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When is round 2 coming?  Or, for that matter; round 3, 4, and so on?  Already back again harvesting everything and warping around.  Have yet to find 1 node this morning because there's 4 or so TPing bots zapping all over grabbing them all up.
 
Better yet, what's the plan to STOP THE SOURCE of the TPing??
 
The bots are ridiculous in this game and I won't be subbing if it's not gotten under control.	
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When is round 2 coming?  Or, for that matter; round 3, 4, and so on?  Already back again harvesting everything and warping around.  Have yet to find 1 node this morning because there's 4 or so TPing bots zapping all over grabbing them all up.
 
Better yet, what's the plan to STOP THE SOURCE of the TPing??
 
The bots are ridiculous in this game and I won't be subbing if it's not gotten under control.
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I was thinking of having a good day enjoying the game ... but this is wrong! really stopping me from playing
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We are always watching  :ph34r: .
 
 
 
 
EDIT: While we don't necessarily want to give out all of our secrets (as the bad guys are reading this as much as you good guys/gals are), we are totally comfortable saying that no one got banned for running AddOns. 
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			I've got 3 on a vid capture.  Tried to kill the lvl 13 bot a few times.  They warp to a safe location when struck and the script starts over.	
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they seem to know they are being hunted and decided to increase the amount because today is much worse than on other days...... 
(Wilderrun Server: Rowsdower)	
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dear sir 
 
just to conform to you that am only using the following app while playing 
 
1- razer mouse 
2-Expat Shield bcoz the game won't open with out this keep giving me couldn't conect to ncsoft 
3- teamspeak 3 
 
that's all am using while playing nothing else nothing more 
 
if any of those app could make problems plllllz tell me so i don't use it 	
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Botting is still out of control on Rowsdower.
 
I went to Galeras as Dominion just to check out the zone and as I walked in I saw a guy zip by my screen and went "What". Then I saw him stop so I walked over to where he was and looked around, as I did this 2-3 more people zipped in to the same spot for less than a second and zipped away as if they slid in from the side of the screen. As I sat there a resource node respawned and all of a sudden 5 brand new and 2 of the same people from before teleported in from off screen already harvesting the node as they came in and teleported off again.
 
The longer it takes to deal with this the worst the economy is going to get, this is insane. Crafting resources being at bare minimum prices resonates through the entirety of the economy. For example you can buy a bunch of extremely cheap resources due to these bots and make green pieces from your profession and salvage them for runes, rune prices drop and become almost trivialized for the person actually looking to profit from the market.
 
Note: Most of the people have what I'd consider "normal" player names, so either people are botting for personal gain or they're unaware of their account being compromised - either way, they should be suspended.
 
If you want to pay me 15 USD an hour I'll wander zones looking for bots for you. :)	
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If you want to pay me 15 USD an hour I'll wander zones looking for bots for you. :)
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dear sir 
 
just to conform to you that am only using the following app while playing 
 
1- razer mouse 
2-Expat Shield bcoz the game won't open with out this keep giving me couldn't conect to ncsoft 
3- teamspeak 3 
 
that's all am using while playing nothing else nothing more 
 
if any of those app could make problems plllllz tell me so i don't use it
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Really, I don't know if I'd be half as aggravated as I am if they were just bots. I mean, I guess I've dealt with those in almost every MMO I've played to where I can work around them, expect them, and my tolerance has slowly built up, but the fact that they teleport is infuriating. How did Carbine allow such a hole in the security of the game like that?
 
Add to the fact that even when they die, or don't harvest a node, they've whacked it and the ownership to them is for eternity, so you waste your time harvesting it and get nothing, or leave it on the map to taunt you. 
 
And then I try to do the right thing and report them, and my inbox of my e-mail is flooded with form responses that promise to do something they should have done before the game even came out in patching holes like that in the game!	
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Well another terrible day trying to gather in Grimvaults on Avatus. Ran across 15 or so bots, actually managed to get 4 of their names and reported them. And as terrible as it is, I did find it funny one of these teleport/speed hack bots was using the "Speed Racer" title. 
 
It's just really frustrating trying to gather when at almost every single node 2-3 bots pop up, harvest, and disappear before you can blink. 	
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We do not. They are being very vague. That is also no help. Tell the people EXACTLY what got them banned. How can one cease to do something that they don't know is wrong? It's just being handled improperly all around. But maybe they will make it right. But why even allow Add-ons if you're going to do something like this? 
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Because addons are not the reason people are getting banned.  
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So Devs...
 
When the hell are you going to take care of this bot problem? It's just as bad now as it was before and getting worse everyday. Why not just stick a GM in the area of the botting and start banning everyone that teleports to nodes. It's not rocket science and it's not hard to do. With-in 24 to 36 hours you will have banned all these damn farmers from the game and can get back to fixing the economy that is totally screwed right now. Also as an added bonus, people can finish their expert level of crafting because there will be mats available.
 
I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to think the Devs are either inept, incompetent or just plan lazy.	
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			A couple days ago, I turned off my 2-step authentication because to be honest it was a little bit of a pain, and I had never been hacked before. I logged in the next day, and of course I had been hacked. Luckily nothing was taken from me (probably because I am only lvl 34), but I had been transported to a different zone, and I had a bunch of Titanium Ore in my bags. As you would imagine, I scrambled to turn my authenticator back on, and I haven't had any problems since. Im pretty sure this was on NCSoft's side, because a couple of my guildies have been having the same issues, and im careful about scanning my PC + avoiding sketchy emails etc. Im not trying to be rude, but I will be pissed if I get falsely banned. I hope this mass hacking situation is resolved swiftly and as few innocents are banned as possible.	
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OK, someone in my zone chat just had the most amazing idea that would fix this for now at least.
 
 
So. You create a zone lvl difference. Like 10 levels and if a character is 10+ levels lower than the zone they are in they become pvp flagged permanently until they leave the zone. Even on a rp or pve server. Also, you make it so that if you fall under these regulations your re-spawn timers are greatly increased. So if they die they have a 10 min res timer or something. It is a god mode idea that could be implemented immediately.  	
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OK, someone in my zone chat just had the most amazing idea that would fix this for now at least.
 
 
So. You create a zone lvl difference. Like 10 levels and if a character is 10+ levels lower than the zone they are in they become pvp flagged permanently until they leave the zone. Even on a rp or pve server. Also, you make it so that if you fall under these regulations your re-spawn timers are greatly increased. So if they die they have a 10 min res timer or something. It is a god mode idea that could be implemented immediately.  
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So Devs...
 
When the hell are you going to take care of this bot problem? It's just as bad now as it was before and getting worse everyday. Why not just stick a GM in the area of the botting and start banning everyone that teleports to nodes. It's not rocket science and it's not hard to do. With-in 24 to 36 hours you will have banned all these damn farmers from the game and can get back to fixing the economy that is totally screwed right now. Also as an added bonus, people can finish their expert level of crafting because there will be mats available.
 
I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to think the Devs are either inept, incompetent or just plan lazy.
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			Hey just an idea here perhaps you could put a minimum level on zones this would atleast force them to level or hack their level. Which would be easier catch. Because as of now it appears that you haven't done anything	
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			the same stuff happened to me today on stormtalon bots were teleporting in and out of every node!!!! so fast i could barely get a screenshot of it... it is really killing this game..	
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Hey just an idea here perhaps you could put a minimum level on zones this would atleast force them to level or hack their level. Which would be easier catch. Because as of now it appears that you haven't done anything
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I agree with this 100%. Until the problem has been fixed more thoroughly, there needs to be some in game GM's. Yesterday I farmed on and off for a few hours and ended up with over 200 Galactium or and around 60 Novacite ore. Today I barely earned 1/4 of that because a bot beat me to the node, there wasn't a single node to be found, or when I started to mine the node it vanished instantly (people are saying the bots are leaving a tap or two). This is becoming a huge problem on my server (Avatus) and it's making me almost want to stop playing. Something more needs to be done rather than waiting for reports because in the time it takes for the ticket to be reviewed, the person investigated and banned.....it's too late, every single node is already gone.
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hey, I know that this topic is getting beaten to the ground, but there are other things that can get you banned as a "hacker or a botter", such as having some flagged background tasks.  potentially --> if you have poor antivirus, and maybe have a keylogger running on your rig, or other malicious programs running you don't know about.  :(
 
to the devs: THANKS FOR THE GREAT GAME, and ALL YOUR HARD WORK!!!1!
 
bottom line, if you think you got banned by accident, there might be something else happening to your rig you might not know about.  jumping the gun is also potentially lose-lose.	
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			How to fix low level bots:Make laser gathering equipment scale by node tier (Apprentice = iron, journeyman = titanium, etc), and put a level restriction on them. This makes it to where they'd have to attack the node in order to gather (if they even can), which would disallow them from mining in mere seconds. It also wouldn't have much of a negative impact on honest players. 	
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			Really feels like not much is being done about the bots / miners... Seeing more and more of them every day :/	
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			Wouldnt it be much easier if you just put a level requirement on gathering professions and increase farming nodes hp ? Its simply too long time for a botter to lvl to 50, they are using low lvl chars most of the time. If low lvl chars wont be able to farm in high lvl zones, the botting stops being that profitable. 	
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			I've reported the ones I could, but part of the problem I've had with that is the individual bots will be on my screen for only a second or two, it makes it hard to see their name to put in the report.  I feel as though having a live GM monitor the zones for even 1-2 hours would be more effective	
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well, im going to add my 2 cents on a temporary fix, this involves creed,
 
C.R.E.E.D currently sells for about 3 platinum on my server, this translates to about $5 per platinum if buying cred to sell on the brokerage, because $15/3p=$5 with me so far?
 
Because the company is effectively selling gold in this respect, you are presented with a unique opportunity, imagine this, wildstar employees begin buying up the lowest priced creed on the market, raising the amount of platinum that each creed sells for, say the new price is 5 platinum per creed, the price that the devs are selling gold for lowers, $15/5=3, so instead of $5 per platinum, you are spending $3 per platinum, still following me?
 
Here comes the point, the gold sellers are, as they are named, selling gold, at about $2 per platinum from most of the advertisements i have been forced to suffer through, if the devs raised the platinum worth of creed to be about 7.5 plat, buying creed would be equal to buying from gold dealerships, however, buying creed is supported by the community and the staff of the game, so it gains an advantage, meaning that people will stop buying from gold sellers and start buying creed.
 
Now, doing this will make the gold sellers sell for less, which lowers their profit margin, all that needs to be done is to lower the amount of profit made by the gold sellers enough, and they will start to lose money on the maintenance and personnel costs of running websites, as well as acquiring accounts and supervising the farming, and that solves the gold farming problem right there, just use the company's ability to sell gold competitively to its fullest and you could completely eliminate the gold sellers in theory, just like wal-mart closing down a smaller store.
 
Not that i think this is a good idea in the long run, and it is fairly easy to see how ways around it could be found, however, until things are put together so that gold sellers can not use hacks that break the game, and they are forced to make gold in a somewhat more legitimate fashion, it could work as a stopgap measure.	
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well, im going to add my 2 cents on a temporary fix, this involves creed,
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			so many bots in algoroc.  This game is over if they arent perm-banned.  If youve lost your login in details in the first 2 weeks of release then thats your own fault.. cant even upload vids with names because thats not fair on botters.	
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The guy with the name plate is the hacker.
 
They can teleport over every farmeable node they non-stop, they can hack at range around 50m or close depends of his teleport, i finally could take a pic, they have gathering hack speed. That pic took me around 1 sec to take it after that he disapeared.
 
Looks like they cant farm high levels cuz they aggro but they are making alot of money.
 
 
EDIT:
 
They improved their hack, now, i cant see them gathering but the node disapear.
 
Got him again
 
Other hacker	
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still no response from the devs? this is absolutely ridiculous you can not enjoy a game like this
 
a friend came home and asked me What are you playing?... I just answered him WILDBOTS!!! 	
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It start to be very very annoying, at least before one could see them,, 3 in a row come flying in the air and make firework out of the wood.
This afternoon, they start to become invisible, see no character, no flame from the chainsaw, nada, just wood falling on the ground, and it goes quick.
Was in Grim's Lumbermill saw on map 10-15 trees, poof in 5 sec flat they was all down.
I started to love Wildstar again after took a break for 5 months (beta player), but this make it so sad, and I know it's hard to control the bots.
 
Suggestion to the Dev. Team ; is it possible to do something like in another game I have played before, that more then one can get gathering from same nod so every one and each the some loot from each nod (ore, tree, herbs) ? Would perhaps solve some of the problem.. just an idea <3	
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			My problem is they ask us to report these, and we do, and we see the VERY SAME BOTS (same name same character, same place) still working more than 24 hours later, AFTER our reports have gotten a real human response from CS. What are we supposed to think when we're told our report was received, will be looked into, and nothing is done? I get that you can't get every botter every time, but can you at least get the ones that are being blatantly obvious, are being reported by name, and can be seen doing the hacking by anyone who goes to the location I put in my report?	
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			Please put area levels caps a level 10 has no  buisness in a lvl 50 area such as grimvault	
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What would really help on the resource botting side would be to remove the map icons for resources that have been partially harvested. Bots tend to leave stumps of trees, and the last piece of relic or mining nodes. These still show as available resources on the map, until you get there and find nothing useful.
 
Devs, while the botting issue will take a lot to solve, reducing the annoyance factor for players could help a great deal in the meantime. Thanks.	
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Suggestion to the Dev. Team ; is it possible to do something like in another game I have played before, that more then one can get gathering from same nod so every one and each the some loot from each nod (ore, tree, herbs) ? Would perhaps solve some of the problem.. just an idea <3
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If that were possible to change we'd still at least be able to report while this cluster of bots keeps going but at the same time not be hindered with our gathering. 
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			bots still going like 4 hours later...	
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			4 days later Stormtalon is still flooded with teleporting bots that were reported a week ago and it's impossible to mine any nodes for professions. This is a joke.	
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			I havent noticed ANY difference. I went back to farside to harvest some logi and ore but found nothing but bots flying everywhere. I have reported bots in the past and I still see them botting around. 	
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			What can be done to prevent these teleporters from being half as effective is a check on player movement over a given period of time.  Let's say a player is at the coordinates (X,Y,Z) and suddenly jumps to (X2.Y2.Z2), the server should be able to monitor changes like that and if it's too many units to be possible within the confines of the game (speed boosts, quest vehicles that move you insanely fast, accelerite) then revert the player's position to the last known "good" one.  In addition, if the player manages to accrue more than a couple of these (only because lag could interfere with the readings) - the player would be flagged and eventually suspended or banned.  That's an automated way to do it.  The better, optimal way once Carbine gets the manpower is to flag someone for investigation instead, wherein a GM could monitor the player for a period of time and determine whether they're laggy or if they're just plain cheating.    Honest players wouldn't see any change from this, provided Carbine could add a few checks here and there to account for Scientist summons and various quests that teleport you around, but bots would definitely be affected.	
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			you create a fake node anyone going to that node to farm gets an item put in the inventory that the ycant see cant delete then they would know exactly which accounts are bots. BOOM all gone no ifs no buts.	
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Get some manual sweeps over the instances please.
 
There's 3/6 teleporting node botters going on in Wilderrun on my server atm, im sure the others have the same issue.
 
At least force the botters to buy new accounts via stop gap manual banning until whatever fancy auto ban system comes in next month.	
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Nope, these are bans, not suspensions.
 
Can I have their stuff?	
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Yeah I cant keep playing like this. Like in Gallow that mine up north. I dont see ANY bots yet the second the ores pop up they are gone. The Exavation Base Camp, you know there are tons of relic nodes. As of right now there is not ONE. I now see them pop up then gone. No one there.
 
So if your  a new player and want to CRAFT.. you cant. NO lie there are NO NODES to get. EDIT: Ok I found 2. You still the bots zooming around.
 
Like people been saying this is worse now then a few days ago.  Carbine didnt stop anything. No GMs in game. You can send ticket after ticket and we know they read it yet no one does a thing.  So what I just play yet never craft?
 
In game chat from "Lyp" What about leveling gathering proffs frist? any point? I heard a lot of people complaining about botting/hacking?"
 
That was just ONE there are so many others. This is making people want to quit not play	
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6xexu_wJY
 
Figured the COPS theme was due.	
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How about this for a fix.  Limit the amount of farming you can do within a set amount of time? Unless your a bot most people are not going to farm more than 1 or 2 nodes within a 30 second to 1 minute window because it takes time to get to the nodes.  Until you figure out how to stop the hacking put a time limit on the number of nodes you can farm within a set amount of time.  It won't stop the bots but it will at least slow them down and allow a chance for others to do some farming.
 
PS - If your at your house there is no time limit since there could be a half dozen nodes available when you next log in and you don't want to wait for ever to be able to farm these.
 
PSS - I hope you are not only banning these accounts but also verifying accounts that materials/gold was sent to.  Because the botters know they can be banned you know they are not keeping things on their account they are sending them to someone else on another account. Don't just stop the bots stop those that are benefiting from the bots.	
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I'm glad to read you are doing things.
 
TESO went through the same thing when it came out.  I got Fraps just to make vids of teleporting bots coming through the ground, up through buildings, as they moved from point to point ALL to get some damn node.  It just boggles the mind.
 
I'm so used to it though after playing MMOs since 2001.  I don't rage or anything over them.  I report and pray you guys do something about it.
 
I would like some better ways to report though.  Something where I can at least copy stuff that is in a mail, especially since the Ticket/Mail AddOn gives me errors alot.  The reason is, spammers will do all they can to bypass filters that filter out their words, and giving Carbine exactly what the spammers are putting in can help block all those attempts.  Heck, even in FF14, spammers were starting to use those ASCII symbols to bypass things.  So make sure you block all of those!
 
I think the biggest PITA is 5v5 arena invites with the spam in them.  Sure, we could just filter them out, but there needs to be another way.  How are they created?  If any Joe Schmo can make them at level 1, maybe force a cost to it?  Or something else? I just don't believe in the "ignore it at they will go away' mentality.  It doesn't work alot.
 
As for the CREDD.  If EverQuest can make goldsellers nearly nonexistant, I believe Carbine can too.  Granted the game just came out, but if enough players focus on getting CREDD legitametly, and they don't use the Goldsellers sites, they will disappear.  The problem really is the node thing as they sell their goods (they mainly focus on iron nodes ATM.  I have never seen any at Artefact or Wood nodes as of yet).
 
Thank you for all the work you do.  Innocent people will get caught (anyone remember the mass innocent bans in FF14?  Whooo that sucked) but hopefully the numbers will decrease as programs and the like are fine tuned.	
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Boyfriend was just banned. Ticket # 458895 also illegal 3rd party program. The thing is, he doesn't even use any addons at all. Plus, his account is 2-step authenticated. Nothing was missing from any of his characters, and there were no extra characters made.
 
Is it possible that they are banning accounts that received the 1 copper from spam in-game mail? 
 
Also, can an authenticated account even be compromised?
 
Thanks -.-
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			It's getting out of hand. Now the bots are competing with each other. Forget about legit players trying to get a node. Economy is shot, selling to the vendor makes more money than the Auction house.	
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I know Carbine is probably quick at work trying to find ways to get rid of the botters and their teleporting BS, but could we at least get some GMs or could you guys promote some trustworthy players to bust bots in the meantime? (Sort of like Forum Moderators, seriously anything is better than just waiting for patches to get rid of these guys)
 
It's not hard to find them, not hard at all. With the power of /who you could find every lvl 10 teleporting bot in a zone they don't belong in. Hell, 1 GM per server alone would make a massive difference if he was given the power to instantly lock any account he saw teleport botting.	
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How about this for a fix.  Limit the amount of farming you can do within a set amount of time? Unless your a bot most people are not going to farm more than 1 or 2 nodes within a 30 second to 1 minute window because it takes time to get to the nodes.  Until you figure out how to stop the hacking put a time limit on the number of nodes you can farm within a set amount of time.  It won't stop the bots but it will at least slow them down and allow a chance for others to do some farming.
 
 
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That's part of the reason why I think GW2 at least got resource gathering done right, each person had their own nodes and such. If that were possible to change we'd still at least be able to report while this cluster of bots keeps going but at the same time not be hindered with our gathering. 
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This is getting really stupid. I was in Southern Grimvault Friday night. I saw 3-4 teleporting bots phasing in and out competing for the same node. I was able to click on a few and report them. They were all level 10 to 13. They would pop in so fast sometimes that it was hard to click on their name. It's pathetic that I can't even compete with bots to get ore.
 
Can we please make it so that only level 44+ characters can mine/attack farming nodes in level 44+ zones. I shouldn't have to pray that some level 10 bot won't beat me to a node that I just saw pop up.	
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			They don't need to do anything that affects normal game play. They don't need any suggestions from the community. They just need to do their jobs before they lose Wildstar.	
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			They teleport in, harvest and teleport out in about a second. Some kind of harvesting log entry for nodes you are really close to would be nice so as to be able to catch a name to report.	
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Try to find a tree to chainsaw in any zone above the starters - not gonna happen with bots blinking to hover/harvest in a sec before teleporting to the next node.
 
My proposed solution is that all resources should drop only from mobs, period. Having a gathering profession needs to add that loot to the mob table for you.
 
Beyond Survivalist having a better chance for meat/leather, they should have a chance for wood. Same idea for Miners finding ore on level-appropriate mobs.
 
All static environmental resource nodes should be decorative only: merely indicators of the loot potentially found on the nearby mobs. Resources as drops only.	
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It's getting out of hand. Now the bots are competing with each other. Forget about legit players trying to get a node. Economy is shot, selling to the vendor makes more money than the Auction house.
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PSS - I hope you are not only banning these accounts but also verifying accounts that materials/gold was sent to.  Because the botters know they can be banned you know they are not keeping things on their account they are sending them to someone else on another account. Don't just stop the bots stop those that are benefiting from the bots.
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PSS - I hope you are not only banning these accounts but also verifying accounts that materials/gold was sent to.  Because the botters know they can be banned you know they are not keeping things on their account they are sending them to someone else on another account. Don't just stop the bots stop those that are benefiting from the bots.
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I really hope Carbine takes this suggestion seriously.  It's an unfortunate fact of modern MMO life that when there are competitive open-world resource nodes, it's basically an invite to farmers and botters to dominate the economy.  I'm sure this round of bots will be wiped soonish, but what about the next one and the next one?  It's a never-ending arms race between the devs and the botters, and it's honest players who lose out.  Allowing players their own copies of resource nodes and limiting supply via personal respawn timers instead of interpersonal competition is less frustrating and more fair for everyone.
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			Yeah the teleporting lowbies.. I thought that was strange, but honestly this game is flooded with trolls so I just ignored it. I always see the same offenders the next week even after reporting them anyways. 	
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It seems you got *cupcaked* trying to use the proper Latin name for the human species ;)
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They teleport in, harvest and teleport out in about a second. Some kind of harvesting log entry for nodes you are really close to would be nice so as to be able to catch a name to report.
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I just watched a Exile by the name of  >xxxxxxxxx<  on the Mikros server jump all over the map and loot every herb and mine there was. It was like he or she was just teleporting to the items to farm. One of the items was a herb that after it farmed it, it disappeared but the herb grew back two other herbs and right when i was attacking it the bot ported right back to it but i got it first. It was a sight to see for sure.
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Pffft man I really dont know how long I can just hang in there. I am only lvl 8 yet in Coldwater Gulch they are FLYING, zooming to each node. They are not just getting a few but ALL! They are making tons of money.
 
So I went looking in the MECH base camp. Found a node yesterday. Did it about 4 times.. (other toon lvl 14) could not mine anywhere else..so I quit for the night. Came on now. I wait for the node..it spawns and then vanishes. That fast every time. All the relics there..gone. Found some trees so maybe they banned one or two. Thanks.
 
Yeah Stilgaard.. we send them 10+ tickets on just ONE bot lets say in less then 5 mins. Days later that bot is still in game..still in the SAME GUILD! Our ticket is gone with no answer. You put there name here and odd they have to protect it. The bots and gold sellers that DONT pay but hack you..have more rights...get faster action then we PAYING people get.
 
Care? Really? Hard to put ONE-three GM's in game? World of WarCraft did it..look at them now. CARING for those that PAY PAYS OFF!	
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			Oh wow I didn't realize that call out someone that is clearly doing something wrong was against the rules. Thank you for letting me know.  What is really interesting is that I didn't see any of this till Malgrave. Sorry if I broke some rule. guess I just wont bother posting about things like this anymore.	
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Oh wow I didn't realize that call out someone that is clearly doing something wrong was against the rules. Thank you for letting me know.  What is really interesting is that I didn't see any of this till Malgrave. Sorry if I broke some rule. guess I just wont bother posting about things like this anymore.
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			Saw a new bot-mode today.  S/He was on their hoverboard, mining and able to take a node I was already mining.	
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			What I don't understand is why I have reported the same botter 3 different times over the course of as many days and he's still teleport hacking. I get the run-of-the-mill standardized email response that "we're working to make this harder". But. the. reported. players. aren't. being. banned. immediately. like. they. should. Come on Carbine get your act together.	
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			WOOT!!!.. purge with FIRE!!	
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			I'm on Bloodsworn, and I notice quite a few bots in the zones wilderrun and above. There were so many in malgrave at one point I camped nodes and hunted the bots for a bit.	
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Anyone else think it's hilarious how many blank slate, never used, forum accounts posted in the first day saying "My significant other was banned please view ticket #####". 
Really? lol	
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know whats crazy? their are NO BOTS on the market ATM lol.  Atleast not in america :P  Either these guys are flexing their technical superiority - or its a buncha computer engineers writing their own personal scripts.
Of course something could have slipped out over the last few days but the big deal people have been making about this - it doesnt seem to be the case. 
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had high hopes that emergency maintenance fix something... but in my opinion is much worse 
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			as much as i love the game if bots arent fixed after my first credd i bought for plat then i dont see why i should continue. i cant craft because of bots and i cant enjoy pvp because of bots.  Its getting beyond a joke now.	
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Bots are annihilating this game like they have on the last few mmorpg releases (ESO, FF14) due to ridiculous design mistakes. I'am really getting sick and tired of it. It is like the people on these dev teams in charge of bots/hacks are complete noobs to the mmorpg industry.
 
First of all there should be no way possible for a low level character to farm anything that makes great amounts of wealth. All gathering should be capped on tier level by character level. Level 40-45+ should be needed to gather the highest stuff. It is also mind blowing why the vendor prices on raw materials is so high. You should not be able to vendor them or the vendor price should be greatly reduced. While those two things won't 100% eliminate botting(nothing will), it greatly reduces it and makes it much harder for botters. In return making it easier to control. The goal is to make it as hard as possible on botters. As it stand now if you ban a botter, they will have another account with a low level character ready to go almost immediately.
 
Also there should of been good teleporting detection the day of release. Not added weeks later while the game's economy is getting destroyed and legit players can't even gather. Not to mention what was added doesn't seem to be solving the problem. Drives me nuts to see all the work put into making an mmorpg, only to see them commit suicide in the first month.
 
For battleground bots that don't do anything and just leech, there should of been a "report afk" feature so players can kick them out. Dealing with bots gets more tricky once a well made bot is released publicly. Since they may play just as well as a average player then. At least they will be contributing some what to their team at that point.
 
Anyways I seriously hope carbine has more in their game plan than just adding some botting detection and doing a banwave every few weeks or even few days. Teleport botters are making too much money to easily so they will be back immediately.
 	
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It's completely stupid that a simple vote to kick feature isn't available in Battlegrounds.  There is/was an option there (I haven't checked it in sometime), but since it failed to work, there was no real point.  I've been at a standstill on leveling the past couple of days because of the mess in battlegrounds.  I dislike questing but put some time into them but can never stick with them for long since (like virtually every other MMO) they're mostly kill/collect <x>, then rinse & repeat.  It's also difficult finding a competent group for adventures and dungeons and are a huge time investment once you start dealing with multiple wipes.  
 
I wanted to like Wildstar - I even brought half a dozen or so others to the game (some of whom will be staying because they're strictly PvE and don't craft currently).  I hope the game works out it's issues and doesn't follow failed mmorpgs into the f2p model, which is essentially a death sentence.  Once my free month expires so will my gaming experience with Wildstar until some fixes find their way into the game.  Like many, I'll resub to another older game and wait for the next game I'm looking forward to (Repopulation, Landmark, Avatar, Unchained) and keep an ear towards Wildstar to see if any fixes are effective.
 
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			Thank YOU!!!And I  feel sorry for the flood of "but I didn't do anything," messages.  I've been on the side of banning users before and it's quite interesting the "excuses" they come up with.Only about 1 in 500 (while the detections are getting fine tuned) are actually people that were falsely accused in my experience, and that number only gets better.Thank you again Carbine!	
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This sounds great, but I've seen a lot of mineral macro teleporting hackers this weekend.  It is totally disturbing and aggravating.  I'm generally really enjoying this game, but it has taken a serious hit seeing these hackers consistently stealing mineral deposits right out from under me (literally) even though they aren't even the proper level for the zone.  And, I'm pretty confident the recent drop in mineral prices are directly related to the amount of hackers doing this (Exiles/Stormtalon).  It is extremely sad.
 
I wish Carbine luck in getting ahead of the hackers' game soon - because this is really hurting the experience!	
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We do not. They are being very vague. That is also no help. Tell the people EXACTLY what got them banned. How can one cease to do something that they don't know is wrong? It's just being handled improperly all around. But maybe they will make it right. But why even allow Add-ons if you're going to do something like this? 
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OMG, the game is brandnew, not even a month on the market an people are whining about "they don´t care", "they can´t fix", "I stop playing"
 
Every Single Player which has a little experience with MMO Games should have known that a wave of bans will follow the weeks after release. And the Ban Hammer is not a scalpel, its a Broadsword. They have to hit and while they hit they will also hit innocent Players. Shit happens. But it´s not the fault of carbine, its the fault of the Botters, Hackers, Cheaters, Goldsellers and last but not least the unfair, not-social People which are buying Gold or Levelservices from them.
 
Its the same thing like with Virus, Trojans,, Worms and the companys which run the anti-virus-programs.
You can´t close all little gaps in a Game/System which hackers, botters and cheaters use. You simply have to wait and see what they do and react. And that is exactly what Carbine did, that is exactly what happend in TESO, WOW, SWTOR, RIFT, LOTRO and so on and so on.
 
It is absolutly ridiculous to judge a brand new MMO in the first two weeks, everyone with a common sense knows that it takes time to get a brand new game running smooth and safe, no matter how many and how long you beta tested it.
 
The Prussian Generalfeldmarschall Helmut Karl Bernhard von Moltke said once "Kein Plan überlebt die erste Feindberührung" - "No Plan survives the first contact with the enemy."
 
Same goes for fresh released games. Sometimes the release goes well, sometimes it goes bad, and sometimes its a mess. And in all that cases it counts how you act, when you see how the battle goes.
 
And Carbine does a pretty fine job there. They react to Players concerns - maybe they do not answer every single post in the forum or give a personalized answer to every single ticket, but I have noticed and reported a lot of Bugs which got fixed since release - some of them not even mentioned in the Patch Notes. They were fixed and many people didn´t even noticed that this happend. 
 
Carbine is working hard on the Game and I don´t mind the many Hotfixes and short downtimes, because they are a sign of progress and a proof that they are working.
 
I remember another game where the company decided to keep a weekly Downtime for Hotfixes and even as things got bad on Day one and worse on Day two and even more and more worse the following days they did not restart or fix the Servers, not for a whole week, which made the game almost unplayable on 4 of 7 Days.
 
 
Keep up the good Work, Carbine. Fight the good Fight!
And Players - be patient and give them time.
 
 
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So what about more people come up with suggestions instead of just pure whining ;) , it's easy to whine
 
 
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Suggestion to the Dev. Team ; is it possible to do something like in another game I have played before, that more then one can get gathering from same nod so every one and each the some loot from each nod (ore, tree, herbs) ? Would perhaps solve some of the problem.. just an idea <3
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To many bots.... Come one Carbine do something, don't wanna play with so many cheaters, you guys need to create char and play in ur game to see how they ruined it.
 
Level 10 flying/teleporting mining bots are at plague levels in Grimvault. Surely it can't be hard to catch them. 
If a character's location changes from X,Y to X+ALONGWAYAWAY,Y instantly, repeatedly...BAN. © Grumpdogg.
 
Can it be solution?	
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			i just watched 17 bots in 15 minutes zoooming nodes in one single spot on one zone. your not doing anything about this, just talk. Ncsoft lost massive subs in AION when same shit happened. get your shit together.	
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OMG, the game is brandnew, not even a month on the market an people are whining about "they don´t care", "they can´t fix", "I stop playing"
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Any updates for us on the situation on Nexus?
 
It's getting a lot worse from my vantage point here in Malgrave.
 
I'm seeing teleporters in droves,  stealth..and out right dual boxing bots now farming mats. 	
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Do people think Carbine have some sort of magic switch they can pull to stop all this or what?
 
"Hey Dave..."
 
"..Yeah?"
 
"We forgot to turn off instant teleport..."
 
"LOL OMG WE DID! LETS LEAVE IT ON FOR A BIT LONGER"
 
"tehehehehehehe"
 
 
This isn't something that can be fixed overnight, it's an ongoing battle, just as hacking, malware, any kind of exploit, or bad guys in the real world, are never stopped, only dulled or pushed away after time.	
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It's WORSE!
 
Get to GrimValt, and guess what? Zone chat, is listing over 100 'teleporter bots' for mining alone!!!
 
Your pvp 'fix' of make them hover over the 'accept button' wasn't implimented properly... They still are alocated a slot on the team!!! That's right. Last night we had 4 players in our team!
The bots are also getting thru into the round, cause 2 of them just ran into the stone in the loading zone the ENTIRE round!	
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