103600-credd-question

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			Why would someone buy CREDD to pay for a sub vs the 15 per month (noting the sub credd costs 20)?  I like the idea of credd but shouldn't it cost 15?	
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			The idea is that you buy CREDD with cash to sell to players for Platinum, so that they can pay for their subscription with in game money.	
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			So they can gift game time, or sell it for in game currency.	
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The idea is that you buy CREDD with cash to sell to players for Platinum, so that they can pay for their subscription with in game money.
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Yes - and I still don't get why it costs more than 15.
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Yes - and I still don't get why it costs more than 15.
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Depending on the subscription type you chose determines what you pay monthly. IE. paying 6 months up front is cheaper than paying on a monthly basis. Paying your subscription with CREDD should cost the most. NCSoft would rather you buy a year subscription than resorting to CREDD to play. Hope that makes sense, it certainly does in my head lol.
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It is pronounced CREED!
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Except that you can buy a 30 day time card from gamestop (or wherever) that costs $15.
 
So yeah, not sure why CREDD costs 20.  Then again, not sure why changing my character's name costs $20 either.  Are they saying that changing a name is an equivalent value to playing for 30 days?  Man they must think their game is BORING.
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Interesting that no one has given him the correct answer.
 
It costs $20 so that Carbine make more money off it.	
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Interesting but still, with a game card you are using your own money which is preferred. Buying CREDD with in game currency isn't real currency and is totally dependent on a third party to furnish the real life monies. Think of the extra $5 as administrative fee for the process lol
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Given that CREDD has no physical form and a game time card (even a code) going through a third party like gamestop is still $15, that's almost an argument for CREDD to cost less, isn't it?  I mean if gamestop takes their cut of the $15 maybe Carbine gets $12.50.  So why is CREDD $20?
 
I think maybe someone at Carbine or NCSoft just put $20 pricetags on everything as placeholders and it made it all the way to live.  Rename?  $20.  Transfer? $20.  Credd?  $20.
 
Truth is, the reason why CREDD is $20 and Game Time is $15 is because CREDD isn't about game time.  It's about paying money for gold.  The person buying CREDD isn't doing so to extend their sub, they're doing it to make (at current rates) about 7 plat.
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It's also a thought that at a $20 price point CREDD is easier to market competitively with illegal gold sellers.  Most gold sellers sell in 20 dollar batches, so it's easy to check at a glance how much Plat 20 dollars should get you and price accordingly.  
 
Not that anyone does that yet.
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Given that CREDD has no physical form and a game time card (even a code) going through a third party like gamestop is still $15, that's almost an argument for CREDD to cost less, isn't it?  I mean if gamestop takes their cut of the $15 maybe Carbine gets $12.50.  So why is CREDD $20?
 
I think maybe someone at Carbine or NCSoft just put $20 pricetags on everything as placeholders and it made it all the way to live.  Rename?  $20.  Transfer? $20.  Credd?  $20.
 
Truth is, the reason why CREDD is $20 and Game Time is $15 is because CREDD isn't about game time.  It's about paying money for gold.  The person buying CREDD isn't doing so to extend their sub, they're doing it to make (at current rates) about 7 plat.
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			It's a service, and like most businesses, they charge for it.	
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"Wow the burgers here are awesome!"
"We're glad you like them. If you'd like ketchup that's $20"
 
That's what's known as a dissatisfier.
 
Same thing with character renames. It doesn't directly impact your ability to play the game and enjoy it, but knowing they're charging $20 for something that costs them nothing just because they can... Leaves a bad taste in your mouth. 
 
Sort of like that burger without the ketchup. See you didn't think I'd be be able to tie it back together did you. :D	
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It's a service, and like most businesses, they charge for it.
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			Those aren't individual services. Those are features of the service of WildStar.	
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Those aren't individual services. Those are features of the service of WildStar.
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And renaming your character isn't?
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No, I cannot think of an in-game feature that allows you to rename your character.
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Actually, yes, you rename your character from the in game character select screen.
 
However they placed it behind a pay gate, so it's only enabled one time per $20. Why? Because they can.
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No, I cannot think of an in-game feature that allows you to rename your character.
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So without the rename token, there is no way to do it. It's basically a token that flags the server to prompt you for a name change. Can you do the name change on your own? Without that token? If not than my point still stands, though I should have made it clear that I meant in-game as in without the extra token.
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			I personally think $20 is a bit much for a name change, $10 or less is more reasonable for that type of thing. But on top of that I wouldn't buy one anyways because I don't name my characters something I am going to be unhappy with when I make them.	
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Pretty sure you just completely missed the point.
 
All of the things listed, including name changing, require you to have the "wildstar service" beforehand. You can't do any of them without having that. But you have to pay extra for a name change.
 
Do you get it?
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I personally think $20 is a bit much for a name change, $10 or less is more reasonable for that type of thing. But on top of that I wouldn't buy one anyways because I don't name my characters something I am going to be unhappy with when I make them.
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It's an optional service, you can play the entire game without ever needing to change your name. Optional services cost extra. What games allow you to change your name whenever you want? All the ones I can think of have a paid rename service.
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It's an optional service, you can play the entire game without ever needing to change your name. Optional services cost extra. What games allow you to change your name whenever you want? All the ones I can think of have a paid rename service.
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You can play the entire game without ever needing to open your mailbox as well, or use the LFG tool, or use a mount. You can trade in-person. you can form groups in the city and run to dungeons, and you can walk.
 
As always, Rift is the shining example of giving players things for free.
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You COULD...it would be really annoying, well the mailbox/mount part I have never used LFG because I always play with my gf. 
 
Does Rift offer free name changes? I haven't played that in a while but last time I was on they did not.
 
 
EDIT: My point is basically, the service is optional as in not a part of the WildStar service (everything you do in the game). Was there a way to change your name before they started offering this pay-token that they took away from you so they could monetize the name changes? Or was it originally that once you create your character, the name you gave it is permanent?
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Nope, it's always been an extra charge on top of the wildstar service, despite requiring the wildstar service.
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Are you sure you can't buy a rename token without a WildStar subscription?
 
So would it be better if they took away the paid-token and you were left with no way to change your name? If your name is that important to you, why are you not putting more thought into your name at character creation?
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You're running on a whole lot of assumptions there. The answer to your questions are you must have an active account but not necessarily a subscription, it would be better if it was free the same way other "services" in the game were free (with some caveat to prevent abuse), and because sometimes there are just reasons that don't validate a $20 price tag.
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I really wouldn't consider most of what else has been mentioned as optional services. I would consider optional services to be things like, Character Re-customization, faction switch, race change, name change to be optional services since you could do any of those things by making a new character but if you want to change your already established character, that's extra.
 
 
Aside from that though for something as simple as a name change I do agree that $20 is too high
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No, they're completely optional. I gave examples for each one as to how you could play and never need to use them.
 
Sure, you could delete your character and make a new one with the name you want. It would be "free" as in no additional charge. But again, it still requires carbine to be getting money in one shape or another for your active account.
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Even "optional" as you describe it, they are still part of the core WildStar service despite the fact that you can choose not to do it. Renaming is not a function within the game (there is no Rename button) it has to be flagged on the server. The idea behind rename/redesign tokens is that you have a character that you are really invested in and you just cannot restart that character, so you pay for the convenience of just renaming as opposed to re-rolling.
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It's like you're deliberately taking this stance in the face of everything.
 
Using your own statement, they're part of the "core wildstar service" for the same reason that character renaming isn't; an arbitrary decision by someone in carbine. If character renaming was available at no charge, that would ALSO, by your statement, be part of the "core wildstar service despite the fact that you can choose not to do it". There isn't some magical difference between renaming your character and opening your mail; they're both procedure calls coded into the game, but one has a $20 price tag attached to it.
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CREDD is Carbine's attempt to stop gold selling (via GS Sites). At the same time, it is a gold selling program.
 
The problem here is CREDD isn't equal on all servers, as it is player driven. To buy a CREDD on my server, you are looking at spending between 6 and 7 platinum. $20 = 6-7p. That is pretty low.
I hear on one of the PvP realms, it goes for almost/around 20p (now this is what I'm told, so I could be wrong). That is $1/1p. Way better deal.
 
So why $20 and not $15? The idea was/is: 
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-some people (like me) have jobs or ways of paying the $15/mo and have no issue with it.
-some people can not do a sub (no CC, no w/e)
 
Someone like me could buy extra time, and sell it (for game currency) to someone who does not have means.
 
Ex2:
-Someone like me, does not have a lot of time during the week (thanks to 40hr work weeks), so farming can be a horrible thing. *3rd parties, who sell gold, sound really good*
-Someone else has more time on their hand, and makes good money, but sadly can not afford the sub (maybe does not have job? maybe has to many bills?) *player does not get to play contentiously (has to scrap to get $15 for game time) 
 
The one who makes good gold, could afford buying the CREDD, gets to keep playing. Someone like me, gets an OK game-income at the price of RL money, but not to shady gold sellers.
 
Carbine wants their cut. So extra $5 added to the CREDD. $20/1CREDD, but 1CREDD/??? game money, thanks to it being player driven. 
I'm sure in the future it will crash and burn, as I thought about buying to sell for Plat. But not at the current price on my realm.
 
Of course, I could make a toon, sell on one of these higher realms, and then transfer later..but a gold restriction makes it not worth the time. (and atm, I like the realm I'm on)	
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You know why they charge $20? because people will pay it. Also, because they want to make money. I'm a little concerned about the people who play these games and think the developer made the game solely for the purpose of entertaining them. nope. money. Sure these guys like what they do and the love games. but they're also trying to make a living doing it.
 
 
Dont like it? don't buy it. That is the beat all end all way of letting them know you won't. If they don't sell any at $20, then they might try at 17.. then 15. Then when it finally starts to sell they'll stop discounting. Unfortunately since you arent the only one out there with money, if enough other people buy it at 20, you're SOL.  Wooo markets.	
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i am still puzzled why ppl want to spend real life money for artificial money, i make about 1 plat while sleeping because my large slave army i mean mining circles (yes multiple)works while i sleep so i get up with almost 1 plat in my mail worth of stuff
 
I am not against it or anything since i get free game time and more money flipping, but outside of that  20 dollars is a lot ,ppl either dont value money or have too much spending money.	
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i am still puzzled why ppl want to spend real life money for artificial money, i make about 1 plat while sleeping because my large slave army i mean mining circles (yes multiple)works while i sleep so i get up with almost 1 plat in my mail worth of stuff
 
I am not against it or anything since i get free game time and more money flipping, but outside of that  20 dollars is a lot ,ppl either dont value money or have too much spending money.
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			In addition to getting some in-game cash in exchange. You are also helping out other players by giving them a way to increase their subscription time in WildStar using in-game money.	
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I value money highly, Why can't I spend my hard earned cash on whatever the hell I want. Why do you buy takeaway when you can make it for far less, why do you drive instead of walk, hell why do you buy video games when you could go outside and play.
 
If you can't understand a simple thing like why someone spends their own money on things they enjoy. then I really don't know what to tell you.
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because some people have different time/money proportions. Some have lots of time, but no money. These are the people that buy credd for ingame money. They can farm all day and build ingame money and then use that to buy CREDD. Then they can use that to play even MORE since they have all the time in the world. Maybe one or two days  a month they devote to farming and get their credd for that time (or build up a butt-ton and pay for the year) then they can just play.
 
some people have money but almost no time. These people are the ones selling CREDD. Instead of farming for a week (at the given 1 plat per day rate) for 7 plat, they can sell a few CREDD and then buy the gear/items they want. Since they only have a couple hours a week (yes, some of us have that little time to play), it's totally worth a tiny bit of their wage to get resources to use in the game they enjoy instead of wasting their precious minutes grinding/farming.	
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			Wiawyr, your desperation to be negative is just getting embarrassing now.Seriously, it’s like someone who doesn’t like swimming visiting the pool every day just to take a dump in it.	
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That only proves that you have more spending money or a poor management, why should i drive a Mclaren instead of scooty? because i can afford to, why should i buy the first class ticket which is a few rows up instead of the standard cheap ticket? because i can.
 
If you include foreign exchange and subsidizing avenues the value of 20 dollars is way more than you think but if you have that " i dont care " mentaility, i dont expect you to understand, you know what Obama did and why most Americans dont like it well go figure.
 
 
 
No one buys credd to helps others but only themselves, the increase to subscription line is just a "make you feel better" perk, only a handfull of ppl gift credd and that too not to any random stranger.
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Like others have said, it is the price they settled on.
 
In the interview about Free to Play model the developer (forgot who) made a large point about how Subscription is a stable income.  Free to Play (read microtransactions), while generate more revenue, can be sporadic and can fluctuate quite a bit.  He seems to heavily favor a stable and steady revenue stream even if it makes [relatively] less money.
 
So I would assume they made CREDD more expensive to encourage people to go with the subscription.	
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