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The redmoon outfit... why doesn't that drop in skullcano?
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And I have a good answer for you. Because they are trying to increase revenues and clear boxes off the shelves.
 
The redmoon outfit being placed in Skullcano will not help them achieve that goal. It won't increase their sales, won't shift people from CREDD to cash subs, won't be a major incentive to run out and buy CREDD to get the very first one to show up on the AH.
 
On the other hand, when they place the redmoon outfit in a RNG and attach it to box sales, the boxes go flying off the shelves.
Even many of the people who insist that they're just furious about this whole thing will run out and buy the boxes so that they can have the shinies inside.
And they don't just buy one box, because RNG. They'll need at least a few to be sure that they get the costume if that's what they want and not a giant kitty mount.
And they don't just buy boxes for themselves, oh no. They buy extras, speculating that these will be highly sought-after limited time BoE items worth a fortune.
 
So placing the outfit in Skullcano doesn't actually achieve their goals. Placing it in a RNG and attaching it to a code from a box sale does.
 
Did it cost them some warm fuzzy feelings from their playerbase? Sure, but they can't use warm fuzzy feelings to make payroll.
 
That's why.
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Their plan definitely worked... When I bought my box two days ago on Amazon the price was $20. Now it's back up to $38, full price. Amazon bases their discounts on the demand for an item, and demand skyrocketed.
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Players are hugely invested in their MMORPGs. The ones that settle in will stay for years.
 
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I agree with that... Well : until ticked off too much though.
 
As much as I don't like the idea, because anyway it's a kind of disguised cash-shop (as you explain, unless I'm mistaken), I do agree with you as well, but for the possible "side-effect" that it'd help also bring a few new players as well, at least more than the nowadays usual stream.
 
I'd be more for a quaterly version though, in regards to what I was saying above :
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There's also another underlying concern about this whole "thing".
 
As far as I understand what's happening : the CREDD system may end up being in danger. This is because of the perceived value of a CREDD.
 
Before the box mystery box a CREDD had the value of plats for the seller and gametime for the buyer (in game, both).
And now ? Why would someone pay $20 for a CREDD that "only" brings plats when it is possible to get, kinda for the same price, at least for the time being, one month of gametime AND more plats than what the usual CREDD gives you.
 
Because even if this settles down, even if mount/costume/hoverboard prices get lower (which they may or not), even if the boxes dry up in retail, even if box prices go back up (see the example of Amazon a few posts above), what about now of the perceived value of a CREDD ? And thus the ripple effects on people used to buy CREDD (in game) to prolong their sub ? Is this perpetuating the same "usual" player population, onto which new players used to be added ?
 
Of course this concern is with the usual sub/CREDD system as we have known since launch, and not taking into account any drastic change in business model other than a perhaps re-occuring bonus item tied to boxes, be it monthly or quarterly...	
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"Two things that people say while forgetting to give an afterthought about it...
Geez people can be so *blind* it is terrifying...
 
 
I've seen a lot of "I'd totally buy this if it was in a cash shop".
 
Dude think about it a minute : you're asking to be double dipped there. If an item, be it a mount, a costume, a dye, or whatever, can be placed into a cash-shop then it can ALSO be placed behind content like a quest chain, rep, dungeon drop etc...
So we're getting double-dipped if it's in a cash-shop : not only do we have to give money that we already gave with our sub but on top of that we're not getting the content leading to that item.
 
I've seen a lot of "if there's a cash shop there's nothing wrong as long as it's only fluff".
 
There are lots of people playing for different type of content and having different goals. Some go about power, some about fluff, some about ranking, some after this or that bartle type of content, and many in between. So what happens with that type of comment is that it's the players that are about fluff that are going to end up paying for all those that are not, with every shades in between. This is what you guys want ? That a sub part of the population pays for the rest ?
 
People seriously, give a bit more thoughts before "interneting" with simple radical solutions that seem ok to you and remember you're not the only one here and there are many different types of players out there."
It's not that we don't get this, a lot of us understand these points. There's also a lot of us who aren't really bothered by it. If I enjoy something I'll throw money at it all day long.Double-dipping? Fine, whatever, do you (Carbine) want my money or not because I want those nifty cosmetics.Also, since they currently aren't making these cosmetics earnable in game yet we are having to pay extra money for them, a lot of us would like them to cut the bs and let us buy them straight from the source. I spent all of yesterday hunting down box copies to only find two and one of them was a repackage. That was a lot of time & effort for very little, which yes is just how life goes sometimes but we don't really need a bunch of hoops to jump through for a hobby we sit on our butts and play.I get your point, and I do agree it should be implemented in the gameplay, but since it's not could they please cut the bs and open a CS?	
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That's why.
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Two things that people say while forgetting to give an afterthought about it...
Geez people can be so *blind* it is terrifying...
 
 
I've seen a lot of "I'd totally buy this if it was in a cash shop".
 
Dude think about it a minute : you're asking to be double dipped there. If an item, be it a mount, a costume, a dye, or whatever, can be placed into a cash-shop then it can ALSO be placed behind content like a quest chain, rep, dungeon drop etc...
So we're getting double-dipped if it's in a cash-shop : not only do we have to give money that we already gave with our sub but on top of that we're not getting the content leading to that item.
 
I've seen a lot of "if there's a cash shop there's nothing wrong as long as it's only fluff".
 
There are lots of people playing for different type of content and having different goals. Some go about power, some about fluff, some about ranking, some after this or that bartle type of content, and many in between. So what happens with that type of comment is that it's the players that are about fluff that are going to end up paying for all those that are not, with every shades in between. This is what you guys want ? That a sub part of the population pays for the rest ?
 
People seriously, give a bit more thoughts before "interneting" with simple radical solutions that seem ok to you and remember you're not the only one here and there are many different types of players out there.
 
 
Secondly, about the Box mystery box items : We don't know if this sets a precedent and if it will become a trend. Maybe it's only a one shot solution that depends of a specific timeline with stocks, with funds, whatever. Maybe Carbine doesn't like doing so and is only doing it once because now is the time and maybe they really don't want to have to do it again. We don't know.
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Have you considered that sometimes we must choose the lesser of all evils? If the choice is between a cash shop or having this tied to physical copies, the choice is obvious no? None is ideal, but one is definitely MUCH FURTHER from ideal than the other...
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It's just an example, I'm not saying, of course, that there is a direct 1-to-1 relation between one piece of gear and created content.
It's an image to say that any item placed into a cash-shop may exonerate a studio to create content, or, in the case of Skullcano : at least support that content.
I don't understand what's so complicated to understand about it...
 
I'm not talking specifically to you, nor am I making a comparison with any game, let alone GW2.
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And I have a good answer for you. Because they are trying to increase revenues and clear boxes off the shelves.
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I'm not blind or stupid. It was largely a rhetorical implied question, as suggested by the phrase I followed with: "and precisely why I dislike cash shops". Revenue generation becomes less concerned with the quality of the in-game experience and more concerned with getting people to drop dollars for externally introduced things.
 
Incidentally, I haven't bought any new boxes and I have no intention to.
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It honestly doesn't matter to me whether they were doing it out of pure greed or out of desperation, though I think it's more likely that it's somewhere in between.
 
I'm not returning to FFXIV because they added a cash shop when I don't think anyone would try to claim that SE wasn't making buttloads of money off FFXIV already. The cash shop is just them wringing some more dollars out. I endured it in WoW, but honestly that was because I had so much of a connection with the community there. I didn't really like its presence. I accept it in the one F2P game I play (Rift) because I understand that's how F2P works.
 
But, and I've said this repeatedly, I'm always going to advocate for my own - the consumer's - interest when it comes to money value. It's not my job to look out for the company's interests; they're perfectly good at doing so and then some. It's my job as a consumer to try and hold them to some degree accountable, as best as I can, to express pleasure when they do something right, and to let them know when they've done something that makes me unhappy.	
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			Nobody is happy with this development but you see enough of the new items in game. Seems like a lot of players are willing to pay quite a bit of extra for this fluff. If there are enough of them to keep WS afloat then good luck I would say :/	
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Whether or not Wildstar goes f2p or introduces a cash shop of one kind or another isn't that big of an issue there's pros, and cons, but there is one thing that bugs me about this (well 2 things but one is kind of trivial*)
 
I have played f2p games before, some considerably more p2w than others, but there is one item common to many of them that is probably the most abhorrent thing that could possibly exist in a game, and that is the mystery box. There aren't enough expletives, or adjectives in the english language to convey how much I utterly loathe and despise these things.
 
Gambling on rng for something that i have to pay money for is just inffuriating, making me pay over, and over to get that one item i wanted, and many times there are no alternatives even at a higher price point you either gamble or you don't get it.
 
I can live with a cash shop with some nice costumes (i'd rather pay a sub and get these in game, but if we have to go the cash shop route then w/e), but the moment i see mystery boxes pop up with items i can't obtain any other way reasonably i'm out. like deleting my account that second, gone, forever.
 
* That cat is stupid, and ugly, and i hate it, (what was the horribly misguided inspiration for that thing anyway?) which makes this mbox thing easier to swallow. Not a big fan of the marauder costumes either.
 
 	
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Nobody is happy with this development but you see enough of the new items in game. Seems like a lot of players are willing to pay quite a bit of extra for this fluff. If there are enough of them to keep WS afloat then good luck I would say :/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nX5PMNMf_k&feature=em-subs_digest
 
Like him or hate him....it's hard not to agree	
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Is it too optimistic of me to expect to wake up to an answer by now?
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On the forums? Probably. Questions should probably be fielded on things like twitter, the forums seem to be more for discussion of things rather than answers to things.
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not an answer to a personal inquiry, but an answer to the plight of the current plyerbase that felt/feels shafted by this little stunt.
A simple "yes we acknowledge that this event communicated a message we didn't intend, we expected a different reaction and we are discussing internally what to do next."
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I have a hunch that the (comically horrid) PR department has every CRB by the tongue and won't let anyone utter a word on this subject unless it has been pre-approved.
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I'm sure that you are correct, I'm just not sure why? A lot of the loyalty that this community has to the game comes from an idea that the devs are much like us. Players that enjoy the game, and are willing to listen to their players to help the game grow. So this is a one-two punch of odd PR move followed by uncharacteristic silence.
 
With all of these strange behaviors is it any wonder that players are suspecting the worst?
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			What kind of answer are you expecting? It's a vanity promo gimmick thing to sell off physical boxes of WildStar, which maybe they're just afraid are going to sit on shelves forever. How many people even buy physical copies of games nowadays? I never bought WildStar in a box.It could be an indication of a move toward F2P, but this whole "OMG CARBINE YOU HAVE TO TELL US YOUR ENTIRE AGENDA RIGHT NOW" thing is just unrealistic and silly. The sky isn't falling, guys. This game is being introduced in China, as people have discussed, and it will continue to be supported for years, whether it's a subscription model or not. There's really no need for all the drama; they clearly know that most of us don't want a cash shop for items (especially performance-enhancing ones), but like Roda said, PR/marketing is not going to be the part of the company that will communicate with us. That's just not how it works. They probably don't even read these forums.	
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			Well you need to remember people who complain on public forums are the vocal minority. They probably just look at sales from current/new customers to evaluate how well the sale is doing. Anecdotally, I can't remember ever seeing a company apologize for a "bad" sale so I wouldn't expect that to happen. If anything, you will hear some generic statement such as "Many box purchases happened and we have heard very positive feedback from these customers about their gifts." 	
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They're not going to sit on the shelves forever because retailers are removing them for good.
 
And yes, they have to tell us "their agenda" or even just an acknowledgement that they do have "an agenda" because this is the kind of respect we've come to expect from Carbine after this past year playing/testing their game and visiting their forums.  
Before now we weren't treated as giant mouths that defecate money. Every slight event in the game, financial or not, we've had an announcement on the forums where we can discuss it directly with Carbine.  But this, we were just given a single news post that says "Buy the boxes we failed to sell, you mindless consumers" which is 100% not the Carbine I've been giving my money to.  This isn't a "FESS UP TO YOUR CRIMES" scenario, this is "Please take this chance to save face and assure your community that the last truly passionate MMO studio is not turning into yet another cynical, cash-vacuuming, skinnerbox developer." Because, the longer they stay silent, the more it seems like they're confessing to that worst case scenario.
 
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What kind of answer are you expecting? It's a vanity promo gimmick thing to sell off physical boxes of WildStar, which maybe they're just afraid are going to sit on shelves forever. How many people even buy physical copies of games nowadays? I never bought WildStar in a box.
 
It could be an indication of a move toward F2P, but this whole "OMG CARBINE YOU HAVE TO TELL US YOUR ENTIRE AGENDA RIGHT NOW" thing is just unrealistic and silly. The sky isn't falling, guys. This game is being introduced in China, as people have discussed, and it will continue to be supported for years, whether it's a subscription model or not. There's really no need for all the drama; they clearly know that most of us don't want a cash shop for items (especially performance-enhancing ones), but like Roda said, PR/marketing is not going to be the part of the company that will communicate with us. That's just not how it works. They probably don't even read these forums.
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But this, we were just given a single news post that says "Buy the boxes we failed to sell, you mindless consumers" which is 100% not the Carbine I've been giving my money to.  This isn't a "FESS UP TO YOUR CRIMES" scenario, this is "Please take this chance to save face and assure your community that the last truly passionate MMO studio is not turning into yet another cynical, cash-vacuuming, skinnerbox developer." Because, the longer they stay silent, the more it seems like they're confessing to that worst case scenario.
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Except this promotion is directed at both current and prospective players. So it may actually bring new players into the game. Also, if you don't want the product you can just choose not to buy it there is no need to get so emotional. There seems to be a lot of people who bought boxes and are happy with what they got so I don't know why you insist on making this out to be such a negative thing.
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Except this promotion is directed at both current and prospective players. So it may actually bring new players into the game. 
 
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It's not for new players because there are FAR better ways to entice new players without grabbing your current playerbase by the ankles and shaking them for every penny they can offer.
recruit a friend process with trial keys that award both the recruiter and the recruitee a mystery box on every month subbed.
an automatic upgrade for new accounts from standard to deluxe (digital deluxe being brought down to the same price as the standard edition and the standard edition being either removed or lowered even further)
New accounts get boosted exp/rep/prestige gain on their first character until level 50,
Events to un-exclusive preorder rewards, because it's been long enough and the stuff is genuinely cool enough to not be simple status symbols.
Free trials
Free weekends on the second week of major drops (cause dat patch day drama)
Not just for new players, but a consecutive subscription reward path is always good to promote people to play and stay.
I haven't seen any outside advertisement that someone who isn't closely following wildstar would see about this stunt.  It's all been on the main site, twitter, (I assume) facebook, reddit, and tumblr.  Who visits those pages the most? Current and former subscribers.  You go out and ask retailers about any non-discount promotion of the game, they won't know jack about this.
 
It's not for current players because, well, they've already been through this process once.  They've done the work of putting down the money to buy the game, yet that's not worth a single box.
Get mo' money talk for a sec: It has been proven in cash shop environments that if you give your players a sample of your cash shop, they will be more likely to engage with that mode of item acquisition, so don't get your "oh you're being greedy/you're so entitled" talk on. (even though yes, we deserve to be entitled to the content in a cash-shop free promised p2p game) 
 
On top of that, the game is ALREADY being pulled from the shelves in many areas so some people can't even participate even if they were ok with this.  There's a reason why digital downloads are so widely used in selling games; because it's ridiculous to have to drive across your county or state to find a store with even one box in stock.
 
So no, this promotion isn't FOR any player.  It's for helping them clear their games off their shelves,  yet they try to tell us that we should be "thankful" for this event like they're doing it for us.
 
 
 
See, now doesn't that just suck big Granok stones.  I'm a collector. I DO want the product, and I bought it back in May when it was first available, and I buy it every time I pop a CREDD each month.
I do not want an account that has been here since winter beta to be not worthy of new fun that new accounts apparently are. (And, in case you're wondering, I don't want them to be more worthy either.)
And, like I said before, I'd buy the hell out of it (probably even more so, just to give away to people) if they'd have just given everyone a single box for having already purchased the game.
 
 
I have a brain, therefore there is a need to get emotional.  If you want control over emotions, you've got your own to do that with.
 
I care about this studio, ok?  Probably too much.
They seemed to be the last MMO studio that was genuinely excited to share their project with the world.  They fostered a wonderful community that was based on the faith in maturity of the one you are talking to.  Some forumites didn't follow that, and that's whatever, but Carbine did.  None of this "You're welcome for charging you for arbitrary things." None of that "You may think it went awful, but OUR DATA SAYS IT'S GREAT SO THEREFORE IT'S GREAT, BE HAPPY!"  They engaged with their community when it came to general game direction and they owned up to mistakes.  And back in beta, I admit, straight up until the Preorder perks were starting to take into effect I was planning on not buying the game.  But I did anyway, because Carbine seemed to be the only MMO studio in the industry right now that wasn't letting cynicism guide their design decisions.  And despite all that was against them, these folk managed to make this game the best themepark MMO on the market right now.
My emotions are sparked because this recent stunt betrayed all that held my faith in Carbine.
And I don't really have an alternative to go to that can live up to the standard that pre-mysterybox Carbine had set.
 
 
Congrats for them, but I feel sorry for those folk who would love to have the same kind of fun with them but cannot do so, whether it's because they can't find a box, they can only afford their box and their monthly sub, they spent all their plat on experiencing the only content they knew about, or because they understand how cash shops work and their principals won't allow them to participate.
 
 
 
TL;DR: Just one *cupcake* box for current subscribers and a "Hey, we're doing this to get rid of boxes!" is all I would need from Carbine to turn off sad Roda.  It's not too much to ask for.
 
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Wonderful post Roda, couldn't have put it any better myself. So many on here seem to think some of us are being overly dramatic about the current events, that's fair enough but I disagree. Like you I care deeply about the game and feel somewhat let down by the whole mystery box promotion. Personally I don't give a toss about the box items but I do care about the way the whole thing has transpired. No matter how much folks bang on about bringing new players in, that's not what this was about. This was about hitting the existing player base (loyal fans) for a few extra coin, It just feels wrong. I know a lot of you are fine with this and are enjoying your new acquisitions, that's cool and all but it just feels like a crappy move to me. This whole promotion smacks of desperation and simply doesn't feel right.It's almost as if they're testing the waters so to speak, if you know what I mean  <_<
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That's what bothered me most. Very few new people bought the hard copies, it was existing subs. I know many people who spent $100+ buying copies to get all the silly items, and the whole thing just feels dirty to me. I haven't logged in to play for more than an hour or two after this whole thing went down because I just felt disgusted and saddened by how under handed and cheap of a move it was.
 
I know a lot of you who bought boxes for the items probably don't feel used, but you were. 
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That's what bothered me most. Very few new people bought the hard copies, it was existing subs. I know many people who spent $100+ buying copies to get all the silly items, and the whole thing just feels dirty to me. I haven't logged in to play for more than an hour or two after this whole thing went down because I just felt disgusted and saddened by how under handed and cheap of a move it was.
 
I know a lot of you who bought boxes for the items probably don't feel used, but you were.
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My thoughts: pretty scattered but disappointed and pretty bummed.
 
Bazeleel's video posted a few replies ago(post #418) does a good job of pointing out the issue I have with people saying "just buy it" - even for those who might want to. See, I myself used a website to look up the item code at walmart and target within a certain radius of my house, and the only ones in stock are $39-$59. That's kinda out of the question for most people just wanting a fluff item, I'm guessing.
 
As for key selling websites? Sure, if you're EU you might find them for cheap, but US versions are out of stock last I checked. Amazon was out of stock for a while but seems to sometimes have them for $19 - but it's of course not keys, but the box being mailed out to you. Best Buy has it on their online store for $19. I guess that's an okay price, but if you consider that you're buying trash (meaning the box and contents you won't be using and I'm assuming just throwing away) it just feels wrong. I can't bring myself to do it. I don't want to be buying extra junk I won't be using just to get digital items. Yeah, that's "just like, my opinion, man" but I don't feel good about the fact this promo expects people to do precisely that - buy a bunch of stuff they'll be throwing away.
 
Other posts point out a lot of issues with this promotion, and those points illustrate why this promotion comes across as a huge letdown and a slimy move, in my opinion. I'm pretty disappointed in it. It would have been okay if it had been "everyone with a game key on their account will get a box!" and thus people who already owned it would be happy, and people would buy up copies if they wanted extras, and people who want to buy it for the first time would have something new to look forward to for purchasing it.
 
That isn't what happened, of course, and I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't mind buying 3+ copies of a game they already own for $20, or even $40+ each... but to expect them to, or suggest they do so, isn't really resting well with me. It just feels disgusting.
 
I'm glad people are enjoying the new items - they're amazing! I like that they're in their own special box, and not just added to boom boxes - at least you're guaranteed 1 of the 3 new items. I mean, I want them too! However, every time I think about buying a couple copies, I'm reminded of the wastefulness, the fact I'm spending money on playtime I don't feel I need(I have a recurring sub since launch so extra time is meaningless to me) and the fact I'd be endorsing a promotion I don't support at all.  :wacko:
 
Sure, I can grind plat for quite a while to get the items I want...but the promotion still happened. The things wrong with it still exist. I'm glad the items are tradeable for those who get extras, or items they don't want. I just feel this could have been handled in a much better way. It could have been slightly tweaked to be far less distasteful.
 
I don't expect anyone to agree, or do anything about this - but I do feel I should post some feedback on it here since I'm sure it matters to someone somewhere in this company. It should, anyway. All feedback is important! Delicious data!
 
 
 
As an aside, I want to thank Youmukon for being awesome. I know he's forwarding feedback, and no matter what happens, just knowing that makes me feel a lot better about things. At least we're being heard at all.  :ph34r:	
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			While I symphatize with that your feelings are hurt by the actions of Carbine, I feel that you guys are in minority by feeling so. I'm happy about the way Carbine seems to go with Wildstar...it caters more to the cauals than it used to...and it might move towards F2P/B2P...but they do it to survive and to make more ppl enjoy the game. I'm sorry to say it but I dont wanna play the game you guys want wildstar to be...I rather play Wildstar the way it seems to be moving towards!	
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While I symphatize with that your feelings are hurt by the actions of Carbine, I feel that you guys are in minority by feeling so. I'm happy about the way Carbine seems to go with Wildstar...it caters more to the cauals than it used to...and it might move towards F2P/B2P...but they do it to survive and to make more ppl enjoy the game. I'm sorry to say it but I dont wanna play the game you guys want wildstar to be...I rather play Wildstar the way it seems to be moving towards!
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			I don't expect my opinion to sway anyone but I'm gonna give it up just the same.I have mostly kept silent about this "promo." I figured I would give it a few days and see how I feel about it.Honestly? I'm still really salty about it. So much so that I am considering jumping ship. I'm even tempted to give MMOs a rest for a change of pace. Looking at you MKX. "GET OVER HERE!"I've been playing since beta (With a break after Defile drop.) When this game launched I had about a half dozen people come with me. They left months ago. I have continued to sing this games praises because it's a crazy fun game even when it was iffy and I believed it would get better. The crazy thing is that I was right for once. New zones, bug fixes, QoL changes, etc. But this retail promotion? Gimme a break.I'm NOT going to buy another physical copy of a game that I already own just because it has a shiny thing attached to it. Do I want those things? You bet your bippy I do. BUT I don't need game time and I don't need plat. I have lots of both. Yea sure, the items aren't bound. Here is the rub though, people are asking for insane amounts of plat for the new shinnies. I don't blame them either considering all the hubbub. So, I either dump a huge amount of plat on them, get hardcore with my credit card, or go without.  Dumping a crazy amount of plat for fluff just doesn't make sense to me. Dumping a bunch of real money on a gamble seems even worse. "I'd love to have a half dozen Wildstar CDs in my house!" said no one ever. This is a P2P game and that's a cash shop maneuver. Don't act like you are doing me a any favors Carbine. TLDR: This is a crappy move by Carbine. I'm not impressed. I have one foot out the door. Let's see if there is a miracle on the podcast tomorrow that will change my mind. I honestly hope so.Your disappointed customer,JoS 	
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			Jackospades, if you buy a box on sale at Best Buy you get a month's subscription for 5 dollars more than you normally would (plus tax). This is basically the same price as CREDD. Plus you get a random cool shiny item. Did you even think about the fact that the price includes game time, and that you could just not pay your sub for a month if you bought a box? People are being so dramatic about this. These new items essentially cost five dollars and a commitment to play for one more month, which you would be doing anyway!	
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Jackospades, if you buy a box on sale at Best Buy you get a month's subscription for 5 dollars more than you normally would (plus tax). This is basically the same price as CREDD. Plus you get a random cool shiny item. Did you even think about the fact that the price includes game time, and that you could just not pay your sub for a month if you bought a box? People are being so dramatic about this. These new items essentially cost five dollars and a commitment to play for one more month, which you would be doing anyway!
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			Bestbuy isn't even saturated with them, and they're one of the core sources.	
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			If you have so much plat and really want the items, then just buy one. They're like 25-40 plat now, and I'm sure if you wait they will drop even more as the market becomes more saturated with them.	
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Two different Best Buys in my area had two copies each, yesterday. I drove to the nearer of the two and bought both.
 
WTS Marauder Costume.  :D	
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Man I should go see how many GW2 Gem codes my local singular Bestbuy has, since they're priced the same and serve the same function now.
I bet it's more than two.	
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			I noticed the one I was at had a whole rack of gem code cards. Don't really get what your point is, though.	
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			Two tickets of entry to content, for an entire region is not acceptable.	
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Well I was gonna try and get a box for my friend.
However, the best buy closest to me(still way out) me doesn't carry anymore, the one store that has a copy is charging 40 USD for it.
 
If this si a way to recuperate costs for the boxes and go "oh hey guess what!? best buy is selling for 20 bucks!" why not just make it part of CREDD, or sell the boxes themselves for 5 USD from the store...	
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While I symphatize with that your feelings are hurt by the actions of Carbine, I feel that you guys are in minority by feeling so. I'm happy about the way Carbine seems to go with Wildstar...it caters more to the cauals than it used to...and it might move towards F2P/B2P...but they do it to survive and to make more ppl enjoy the game. I'm sorry to say it but I dont wanna play the game you guys want wildstar to be...I rather play Wildstar the way it seems to be moving towards!
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			These boxes were NOT "another form of CREDD". CREDD has never introduced new items into the game/economy obtained from real life money.	
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These boxes were NOT "another form of CREDD". CREDD has never introduced new items into the game/economy obtained from real life money.
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			Not really aimed a you. Just a frustrated response to many assertions in general :)	
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Wouldn't the funds directly go to NCsoft/Carbine as opposed to being split between them and a brick n mortar store ...
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If you have so much plat and really want the items, then just buy one. They're like 25-40 plat now, and I'm sure if you wait they will drop even more as the market becomes more saturated with them.
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As much as I like WS, this is pure and simple a scam! 
 
Who in their right mind forces people to buy two copies of one game just to get some ridiculous code?
 
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Two tickets of entry to content, for an entire region is not acceptable.
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1. For how long? Our only frame of reference for the stock of these items is our stores.  And that reference says the stock is dwindling fast.
2. There are reasons why gametime cards and game currency cards exist.  Some folk don't have credit cards, or cannot get packages delivered to them for whatever reason.	
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			I bought one then the price went up to full, now it's gone back down so I bought another. Not sure how long it will last so make hay while the sun shines!	
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I bought one then the price went up to full, now it's gone back down so I bought another. Not sure how long it will last so make hay while the sun shines!
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Why make hay when you can complain? There are so many ways to see the bad side of things, and it's so enriching for your ego!
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			Can someone direct me to a site where I can purchase a code online? Don't have participating retailers in my country, nor do I need a box of the game. Thanks very much.	
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Can someone direct me to a site where I can purchase a code online? Don't have participating retailers in my country, nor do I need a box of the game. Thanks very much.
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Would be nice if you said which country, the game is region locked.
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...Nevermind.
 
Thanks to a random noble soul roaming theses forums who directed me to a certain German online shop not only am I now in possession of x3 sets of limited edition items, I have also [surprisingly enough] extended my sub up until September. Now that's a deal worth a LOT more than the €30 I paid.
 
I would like to take this opportunity to thank this kind anonymous hero for his gentlemanly gesture, and also extend my gratitude to Carbine who made this promotion possible. Super event, dunno watcha'll crybabies complaining about!
 
Ready for f2p now, bring it on, Carbine :D	
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Well all I know is, this promo got me to buy a box and re open my account.......Soooooo.
 
I'm just waiting on my box to get here from Amazon, hopefully I get the Marauder costume for my gunslinger bounty hunter.	
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Well all I know is, this promo got me to buy a box and re open my account.......Soooooo.
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			So once my game box arrived, which it should today how do I add it and get my in game stuff?	
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So once my game box arrived, which it should today how do I add it and get my in game stuff?
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Granted, a promotion like "have an active subscription by x date and get a Mystery Box" would have gotten you to reopen your account without having to spend extra money, right?
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So once my game box arrived, which it should today how do I add it and get my in game stuff?
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As mentioned above, you just apply the code to your account through account management :)
 
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I have a question about the Snarfelynx mount.
The screenshots don't show a rider(that i can see). Does it..."eat" the user?
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			I cant decide if I want to sell my fat cat or not:( Its not my style at all....but its sooo inovative they way it eats you and all....and I dont realy need the plat either...I have been 50 4 days now with 6 plat and i have not used any yet so...I will prob never buy game time for plat, as the subscription is not even pocket money for an old man like me. Damn damn damn...luxuary problem ofc hehe. I'm happy for all those peps loving the cat:)	
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Styrm I'm having the same problem. I sold a Sarf mount earlier and now I've got another... the only reason I'd keep the cat is to GO FAST.
 
I really like having lots of currency, and I also really like to GO FAST! Decisions, decisions.	
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			How much is the normal speed in the game? I'm 50 but i have never bought speed upgrades...how much faster IS the cat?	
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How much is the normal speed in the game? I'm 50 but i have never bought speed upgrades...how much faster IS the cat?
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			hmm maybe I shall equip it:) hmmm	
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The balloon cat is the fastest mount out there right now... Faster than mounts with the 80 plat boost. You see my conundrum.
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			People who bought the box from Best Buy what did you get?	
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			Just a heads up.  I bought a boxed copy from Target, and when I went to apply the code, it was already in use.  Yes, I submitted a ticket; I just wanted to provide some caveat emptor.	
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People who bought the box from Best Buy what did you get?
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I want to be able to stab it in its ridiculous face and watch it do this. Imagine it, cats flying all over Thayd as they deflate. now that's worth paying money for :D
 
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it's not a conundrum :D the extra speed is not worth being seen with that stupid cat blimp mount! take the money, how likely is it that there will never be another mount that is as fast or faster than blimpcat
 
I want to be able to stab it in its ridiculous face and watch it do this. Imagine it, cats flying all over Thayd as they deflate. now that's worth paying money for :D
 
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			Well I got my Marauder set on my second box. $40 total ain't to shabby.	
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Well I got my Marauder set on my second box. $40 total ain't to shabby.
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For a single costume?
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Yep, I have enough disposable income that buying 2 boxed games did not phase me.
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			I also got the cat in the only box I bought! I planned to sell it or trade it with the hoverboard..but after thinking about it and having problems seeing what i needed plat for (I have 8 plat and I'm having realy big problems spending them at max level)..i decided to equip it:) And Its kinda cool:) I've never been a fan of mounts in this game....they somewhat feels wrong (comparred to wow where riding a horse feels VERY nice)...so I matters not how much I move about...so I might aswell move max speed:) It helps that I dont have to look at my toon riding a fat cat:)	
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I also got the cat in the only box I bought! I planned to sell it or trade it with the hoverboard..but after thinking about it and having problems seeing what i needed plat for (I have 8 plat and I'm having realy big problems spending them at max level)..i decided to equip it:) And Its kinda cool:) I've never been a fan of mounts in this game....they somewhat feels wrong (comparred to wow where riding a horse feels VERY nice)...so I matters not how much I move about...so I might aswell move max speed:) It helps that I dont have to look at my toon riding a fat cat:)
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			Ya know, I was totally cool with the Snarlyfatcat until ten of them almost crashed Thayd on Saturday night. Now I want to deflate them and listen to the wailing.	
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Ya know, I was totally cool with the Snarlyfatcat until ten of them almost crashed Thayd on Saturday night. Now I want to deflate them and listen to the wailing.
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Ya know, I was totally cool with the Snarlyfatcat until ten of them almost crashed Thayd on Saturday night. Now I want to deflate them and listen to the wailing.
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Oh, once they're nerfed to work like all the other mounts in the game, you'll get some wailing. ;)
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Can we get harpoons and go after them like air whales? I want to hear their Pfffffffffrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr of agony. 
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How exactly did they "almost crashed Thayd"?
 
If there's something that people can do that crashes servers, I would like to know about it.
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I've now twice seen an "explosion" that made everyone in the area lag.
[snip]
Or maybe it was aliens :o
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I'm having it looked into, thank you for the report.  We gotta stop them aliens at all costs...
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People who bought the box from Best Buy what did you get?
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