Report 564

Report #564
Skillset: Nekotai Skill: Amihai
 Org: Nekotai Status: Completed Mar 2011
Furies' Decision:
Damage and bleeding increased.
Problem: Amihai is a 400 ka grapple ender requiring the prerequisite of an
advanced, armed grapple (i.e. oothai & ootangk). The AB states it gives
"considerable bleeding" and masks poisons. The combat line also suggests
considerable blood loss, "Fountains of blood erupt" However, initial tests
demonstrated 700 damage with 80 bleeding. First of all, 80 bleeding doesn't seem
considerable. Secondly, the poison mask of amihai is self defeating as
combatants know to immediately diagnose, as opposed shocree mod hidden inside a
nekai, angknek, kaife, or angkai. Finally, amihai's 400 ka cost is greater than
the cumulative 350 ka of a double-nekai modded with shocree (which also doesn't
require the advanced grapple pre-req).
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Modify amihai to give a 1s to 2s blackout to mask
 combat line. The intention is to nullify a triggered
 diagnose, and place the responsibility on the
 combatant.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Increase bleeding on amihai that is commensurate with
 "considerable bleeding," "Fountains of blood," the
 associated ka cost, and prerequisite of armed grapple.
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Amihai's afflictions of masked poison and induced
 bleeding is redundant within the skillset. Adjust
 bleeding levels as necessary. Replace "masked poison"
 with the focus body affliction of a -1 momentum
 "locked throat" with oothai head or ootangk head
 prerequisite.
Player Comments:
---[Janalon on 3/7 @ 11:48 writes]:
Malarious to me: 03/07 01:52 "Blackouts generally trigger diagnose calls...."
This might not be an effective solution.
---[Janalon on 3/7 @ 22:07 writes]:
Would be willing to accept ideas for other afflicitons to replace masked poison
effect. Please keep in mind REPORT 552 for Oriama mod which will be tweaked and
finalized in a future report cycle.
---[Veyrzhul on 3/8 @ 21:28 writes]:
Malarious is right. I personally think solution 2 is the best one. Get up
bleeding to something worthy of a grapple ender at such a ka cost. Ninjakari do
immense bleeding with theirs and barbs from what I've noticed, on top of the
afflictions. The bleeding of amihai could probably be measured around that. As
for the masked poisons, even if people can just diagnose, it still requires and
costs equilibrium, so it's useful. That part is okay.
---[Sahmiam on 3/10 @ 01:42 writes]:
Ninjakari's constrict is 800ka with -1 momentum and also requires the grapple.
It gives blackout and unconsciousness (both dependent on wound levels) with
massive bleeding (again, wounds play a part). I'm not against upping the
bleeding, but it shouldn't be nearly as good as constrict unless the ka and
penalty are increased. Speaking of which, did you test on higher wound levels?
---[Janalon on 3/10 @ 03:13 writes]:
It should be noted the Shofangi grapple ender mod Shred causes roughly 300
bleeding for 200 Ka and -1 momentum. I am not a fan of just upping bleeding
either. Fact is Nekotai can just bleed fine without the hassle of a grapple
ender. Masked poisons are more effective hidden within any one of our numerous
armed attacks. As is, Amihai is both redundant and ineffective. I am in favour
of scrapping the skill, and introducing a new affliciton (though, that isn't
likely). A more realistic hope is for increased bleeding... though keeping in
mind balance in relation to Shofangi Crunch and Ninjakari Constrict.
---[Veyrzhul on 3/12 @ 10:37 writes]:
I was actually referring to Illgathoru as a comparison. Leveling the affliction
output and bleeding around that would be appropriate, I believe, keeping in mind
the current bonus of hidden poison afflictions.
---[Sahmiam on 3/18 @ 18:04 writes]:
I see. Illgathoru as a comparison is good. I'm hesitant to say Illgathoru +
barbs is a good comparison, however, as then we're essentially comparing three
skills to one (ninshi, illgathoru, and barbs). Perhaps the best thing to do
would be to ignore barb bonus but compare both ninsh and illgathoru
simultaneously for a ka weight of 425.