Report 1842

Report #1842
Skillset: Skill: KnowledgeAwareness
 Org: Hallifax Status: Completed Oct 2017
Furies' Decision:
Sure
Problem: KnowledgeAwareness is an ascendant power that costs 30 weight and
allows the user to SEEK from anywhere, not just in the havens. However, it also
requires the user to also have the base Seek power, which costs 8 weight, active
as well.
[A: 9 R: 3] Solution #1: Make KnowledgeAwareness work without having to also
 have Seek active
Player Comments:
---[Falaeron on 10/13 @ 02:19 sets as pending]
---[Aeldra on 10/13 @ 20:45 writes]:
This has crossed my mind as well, approved.
---[Xenthos on 10/16 @ 23:42 writes]:
I'm a bit of two minds on this-- I think a number of the Ascendant powers are
overweighted, but I've always thought that the point of needing Seek in addition
to this was a "weight tax" (part of the overall total needed). I don't
particularly mind changing it, but would prefer that it be part of a general
review of weighting instead (otherwise it's basically a change for people who
got KnowledgeAwareness for free to be able to use it without the 8-weight seek
the rest of us generally still buy because we don't have 30 free weight for
that).
---[Falaeron on 10/18 @ 11:09 writes]:
On the flip side, as the only person with free KnowledgeAwareness in the entire
game, I think it is a bit unfair that I have to pay an extra 8 weight for a
power that I should have got for "free". None of the other ascendant powers have
a pre-requisite. In fact, no other demigod power even has a "weight tax" as you
call it.
---[Minkahmet on 10/18 @ 18:28 writes]:
Supported
---[Xenthos on 10/18 @ 21:20 writes]:
No, they just have higher base weights-- by "weight tax" I meant that without
needing Seek I would have expected KA to have a higher base requirement
(probably 35 or 40). Like I said, I'd prefer that more powers be reviewed for
weighting versus just giving a pass to one (and, as you stated, primarily
providing a benefit for just one person).
---[Falaeron on 10/18 @ 22:20 writes]:
Well no, this change would lower the total weight requirement for
KnowledgeAwareness for all ascendants.
---[Moi on 10/18 @ 22:24 writes]:
If power weights need looked at, they should be done as a whole rather than one
person submitting a report to lower the cost of his own build.
---[Falaeron on 10/18 @ 22:58 writes]:
I don't think the power itself is strong enough that it needs its weight
increased, but I also don't understand the point you are making. As long as my
solution is implemented, which it sounds like you agree needs to happen
regardless, my own build is going to be cheaper. Adding extra weight to this
just makes it more expensive for anyone else thinking of getting this power.
---[Xenthos on 10/19 @ 02:26 writes]:
I think the point I'm making (and that Moi seems to be agreeing with) is that
there should be a more thorough review of weight costs for -all- abilities, not
just targetted at one. A few examples include: Ostensibledreamer (50 weight?
Especially as illusions are getting weaker?), Aegis (don't get me wrong, this is
a great ability, but I think it's more a 35-weight thing-- though probably one
of the more debatable in this list!), gift / fortunatewindfalls (10/20, and I
can't imagine why anyone would ever keep either of these active for the weight
cost), some of the beast powers (these are weighted inconsistently, anywhere
from 15 to 25), Plenipotentiaryofpeace (cheaper amnesties for 20 weight?),
Quietmind (took a hefty nerf during the overhaul, though there is a small buff
being asked for it in report 1774). The point is to make you pick and choose
your build (not just buy everything) which is fair to an extent, but the way
it's implemented ends up meaning that a lot of people end up with the same list
of things because they're the "clear" winners. If you want to activate one
temporarily, you have to disable one of your others, activate it (for an essence
cost) and then swap back (for an additional essence cost) because of how the
weight cap works. The system just ends up leaving me wondering why values were
picked and applied for some things to start, and others need tweaks based on
changes that have happened since implementation that have impacted their
usefulness and power.
---[Falaeron on 10/19 @ 02:55 writes]:
I agree that many of the powers are priced incorrectly, but that's no reason to
not try to fix small things like that until we are ready to change powers more
holistically
---[Ixion on 10/21 @ 01:57 writes]:
Powers will continue to be majorly unfair until it gets a rework. I don't fault
Falaeron for trying to better his unique situation of having better KA, but
that's a drop in the bucket of issues with weighting. I'd prefer if the full
seals/ascendant power list got a weight balancing. Not only are certain powers
not very well weighted, but the totals across each seal type are not equitable
in terms of useful powers or weighting.