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			ugh like i said, nix the boxes put that crap in a cash shop and sell it to me! ( just no stupid  gear/xp boost poo ) that's cheating :)	
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It's not meant to bring in new players, its meant to clear the boxes off the shelves by getting loyal players to spend money on them to get the shinies
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ugh like i said, nix the boxes put that crap in a cash shop and sell it to me! ( just no stupid  gear/xp boost poo ) that's cheating :)
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			You know, if this was some sort of stunt to try and show fake sales to NCSoft, to get something out of them, It would be more understandable, but as it stands, Carbine tells us nothing.	
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Got this, wat do?
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			If you want confirmation of a future cash shop, look no further than the costume NPC "Chop Shop." See the token display? If that's not indication of a future cash shop, I don't know what is. This game is run by NCsoft anyway, of course they're going to try and nickel and dime you into oblivion. That's what NCsoft, Activision, EA, Sony and all them live for, is money.	
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If you want confirmation of a future cash shop, look no further than the costume NPC "Chop Shop." See the token display? If that's not indication of a future cash shop, I don't know what is. This game is run by NCsoft anyway, of course they're going to try and nickel and dime you into oblivion. That's what NCsoft, Activision, EA, Sony and all them live for, is money.
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These kind of things aren't done to promote for the game itself, but more so to simply get rid of the physical boxes before any conversion happens. But I'm absolutely disliking the thought of F2P. It's the single worst business model they could turn to. At least have the decency to turn to B2P if anything.
 
I've never been pro F2P or B2P, but if these are the options we're left with as a ultimatum just don't F2P. This situation is so fishy it hurts.  	
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			I think you can find many, many people who care. ^^ I know all you F2P groupies don't care if a game goes to crap, so long as you can play it for "free."	
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.............. *facepalm*No I'm not giving you more money when you haven't shown you can be trusted with my sub money.Please give the community that has been with you for months at least 1 damn box for putting up with your countless crap over the last 5 months.
 
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I think you can find many, many people who care. ^^ I know all you F2P groupies don't care if a game goes to crap, so long as you can play it for "free."
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You know, if this was some sort of stunt to try and show fake sales to NCSoft, to get something out of them, It would be more understandable, but as it stands, Carbine tells us nothing.
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Yet pro cash shop. Makes sense.
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You will find no one more against F2P and B2P than me.
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			As soon as a cash shop is introduced, the game may as well be F2P or B2P. When that system goes in, quality of content does down the toilet, and the era of nickel and diming enters. Dev time isn't spent creating a quality game, it's spent figuring out how to make you spend more money on the cash shop.	
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As soon as a cash shop is introduced, the game may as well be F2P or B2P. When that system goes in, quality of content does down the toilet, and the era of nickel and diming enters. Dev time isn't spent creating a quality game, it's spent figuring out how to make you spend more money on the cash shop.
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			With the size of the dev team Wildstar has... that'd be the end of any content worth looking at. 90% of the devs would be working on cash shop garbage, and people who want to actually play a video game instead of a digital fashion show would be left in the dust.	
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With the size of the dev team Wildstar has... that'd be the end of any content worth looking at. 90% of the devs would be working on cash shop garbage, and people who want to actually play a video game instead of a digital fashion show would be left in the dust.
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I can't imagine their Dungeon, Shiphand, Adventure, Raid, PvP, Class, and Landscape teams would have that much to do with cash shop stuff. That'll be almost entirely on the costume makers.
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With the size of the dev team Wildstar has... that'd be the end of any content worth looking at. 90% of the devs would be working on cash shop garbage, and people who want to actually play a video game instead of a digital fashion show would be left in the dust.
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I know, like they're gonna shift heads of major system to design cash shop items, when they can hire a small team for this, w/o touching the other teams.
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Nice to see the preview for wildstar f2p is showing that carbine is doing everything in their power to hit every scumbag cashshop mark there is.
 
$40 costumes and mounts? Check.
All desired objects hidden behind the RNG boss? Check.
No active way to obtain interesting items in game without paying out the ass to a cash shop patron? And check.
 
After rekindling my love for this game within the past month, this feels like I grabbed what I thought was a nice cold glass of milk only to find that its curdled.
 
 
 
Ok so the way to FIX this is to change it to be a consecutive sub reward, where every 3 months you get one of those items and in between you get a boombox, or something.  Like those hats you USED TO GIVE for your patches.  It promotes subs and it doesn't exclude the people who you didn't need to bribe to play the game.
Want to sell physical copies?  Put them on sale.	
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Sure would hate to be in the PR department right now...
 
 
I really don't have much else to say...I'll just wait for a response from Carbine if there is one and roll with it. My only question left is ...
Can we exchange box codes of one region for another through support?
 
This clearly isn't inherently meant for new players, but clearing shelves the way it's structured and for people who play in regions not of their own this really bites them in the butt to buy a box for their account unless they make a second account and lose out on the monthly sub they could have had on their primary. So it'd be nice to have the option to have these codes region swappable by support like the codes for the tophat, etc can be
 
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Sure would hate to be in the PR department right now...
 
 
I really don't have much else to say...I'll just wait for a response from Carbine if there is one and roll with it. My only question left is ...
Can we exchange box codes of one region for another through support?
 
This clearly isn't inherently meant for new players, but clearing shelves the way it's structured and for people who play in regions not of their own this really bites them in the butt to buy a box for their account unless they make a second account and lose out on the monthly sub they could have had on their primary. So it'd be nice to have the option to have these codes region swappable by support like the codes for the tophat, etc can be
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Wait, there was a code for a top hat and I can't get it? Time to riot.
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			Being punished for supporting this game since beta, pre-ordering, and subscribing since headstart? Thanks...	
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Nah man you know TT is gonna be the head of the cash shop and completely abandon raids. Come on now.
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TT would make an epic head of the cash shop!
 
I can see it now: TT puts out some really cool items at $1200 each, because casual spenders don't need stuff to buy and he's making stuff for the hardcore purchasers.
Then, he comes here and posts how more people who bought insanely overpriced stuff stayed in the game than people who didn't.
Then, all the game's whiteknights could insist that this is clear evidence that the cash shop needs more insanely overpriced stuff.
 
TT is definitely the right guy for the job of Lead Cash Shop Designer.  :lol:
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I know, like they're gonna shift heads of major system to design cash shop items, when they can hire a small team for this, w/o touching the other teams.
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You guys are such amateurs...
 
You put them in RNG boxes and then you make different grades of RNG boxes that cost different amounts, each one with a "slightly higher" chance to drop rare items	
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You guys are such amateurs...
 
You put them in RNG boxes and then you make different grades of RNG boxes that cost different amounts, each one with a "slightly higher" chance to drop rare items
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			I'm beginning to understand why I stop visiting the forums, at least focus on complaining about how these should be available in some reasonable way for current players. Honestly, I'd feel bad saying give me free stuff cause I sooobscreeebed, considering all 8+ months were via CREDD.	
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			Is it time to point out once again that since these items are BoE and not BoP, they are in fact available in-game even for people who don't buy a box?	
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An update to a previous post:
 
I went to my local Gamestop store. Two days ago the box was priced $19.99. Now it was $39.99, so they took it out of clearance or whatever and put it in regular Carbine pricing. Have a BestBuy but is like an hour ago, and on my car + toll probably will expend more that $10 dollars anyway, so probably (and sadly) will skip them.
 
At $20 I will probably bought 2, or 3, but an inflated prices.... Nah!
 
 
The low blow is that items, except for the already explained costume which is or will be account wide, the mounts are not. No one either by boxes, or by platinum is going to invest that much in non account wide items.
 
So I hope they fix it.	
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I'm beginning to understand why I stop visiting the forums, at least focus on complaining about how these should be available in some reasonable way for current players. Honestly, I'd feel bad saying give me free stuff cause I sooobscreeebed, considering all 8+ months were via CREDD.
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Is it time to point out once again that since these items are BoE and not BoP, they are in fact available in-game even for people who don't buy a box?
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			These mounts should be saved account wide in my opinion and it should be, on top of being BoE, available through another method such as referring a friend to the game where both players get the chance of getting any of the 3 items or something of that sort.I hope they'll come up with something to please the people that are going nuts but personally I could care less about these items because they'll probably reappear later in another color anyways.	
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Quite a few suggestions throughout.
 
Overall the thread(to my interpretation of course) :P
Quite a few people would settle at current players being given 1 box(I think this is the most popular view)
Some have expressed they'd purchase these items at 20(or less in some cases) via an online shop
The Mounts not being account bound is a heavy deterrent for some in addition to their other feelings and would like to see this revised.
Varying arguments on it being petty and that it is fine as is VS the opposite of it being "sketchy" and offends the current playerbase
In addition to the above I believe most people though feel this is handled poorly, but I'm just one guy interpreting things. Someone can pop me upside the head and correct me.
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You forgot consecutive sub rewards: the best solution.
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An update to a previous post:
 
I went to my local Gamestop store. Two days ago the box was priced $19.99. Now it was $39.99, so they took it out of clearance or whatever and put it in regular Carbine pricing. Have a BestBuy but is like an hour ago, and on my car + toll probably will expend more that $10 dollars anyway, so probably (and sadly) will skip them.
 
At $20 I will probably bought 2, or 3, but an inflated prices.... Nah!
 
 
The low blow is that items, except for the already explained costume which is or will be account wide, the mounts are not. No one either by boxes, or by platinum is going to invest that much in non account wide items.
 
So I hope they fix it.
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I reactivated my account for the 10 day free trial.  Based on what I have seen I don't plan to come back.  This is a good reason why I don't want to come back.  It feels like a slap in the face for those who stuck with the game or who purchased the game at the beginning.
 
Wildstar is a fun game but I feel like I've wasted money on it with the direction they are going.
 
Sure, they may get some new subs in.  But I don't plan to resub.
 
I hope anyone still in game has fun with it and hope the changes don't mess it up too bad.	
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			As much as I'd like to rage, I just can't feel abused by this. This was a business decision to limit NCSoft's liability. They're already buying back physical inventory in smaller markets like Australia. This was a calculated move to burn through some more outstanding US/EU inventory because let's face it, it's not likely to be sold otherwise.	
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It's sad see the items one per account :( also, they are random, I wanted the costume.... but I got the hoverboard .... and now I'm Fabulous
 	
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It's sad see the items one per account :( also, they are random, I wanted the costume.... but I got the hoverboard .... and now I'm Fabulous
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Do you really think this is just "more aggressive monetization" ? It's not. The problem and criticism here is tying this to a commodity that simply does not exist in several countries: Physical copies of the game. And no, as I said many pages ago, amazon does not work, most sellers don't ship to several countries.
 
EDIT: And honesty would of course be awesome. At least we would understand the motivations behind this terrible idea, and it would help us understand and would reclaim some of the trust the company lost.	
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That's pretty fabulous! <3
 
As for all the rage today from the community at large, here's a question for everyone. 
 
Let's imagine a hypothetical situation where someone from Carbine gets on here and says:
 
"Hey everyone, we understand how upset people are but here's the deal: we are failing financially. We didn't sell enough games. Retailers are going to start sending the boxes back and if that happens, we are done. It turns out that a loss of revenues of 80% since launch really wasn't a sign of raging success, and the 'recovery' has been more of a 'leveling off'.
Between Nexon and Netmarble, NCSoft's hands are tied and they can't cover for our losses any more.
So as much as we don't want to do this, as much as we sympathize, we are out of time and money. It's more of this kind of thing or pull the plug. There is no third option.
 
So do we want to do this? No. 
Do we sympathize with our loyal players? Of course. We play these games too. This would irritate us just as much as we know it irritates you.
But the main incentive to buy the box at this point is the resale of what's in these RNG boxes. If we give one to everybody just for subscribing, the incentive to buy the boxes will tank and we may as well shut down right now.
 
That's where we are. A tested and proven way to raise more revenues--now--or pull the plug.
Which would you rather see us do?"
 
They'll never actually say something like that, of course, but anyone who has been paying attention to the financials has to be aware that this may well be the situation they're in whether they can say so or not.
 
So which would you, the Wildstar playerbase at large, rather have? More aggressive monetization or no game?
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			Guys, once again, these items are BoE. You can get them in-game if you don't have direct access to boxes. And people already have.	
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WILDSTAR: COMPLETE CAMPAIGN!
 
To Celebrate a year of WildStar (Yay!) we are going to give newcomers a taste of what it feels like to be here since the beginning!
 
For a limited time All boxed copies :
get upgraded to the Deluxe Edition with no extra charge!
come with the Darkspur costume (it's almost like you were in Beta!)
get 15 boomboxes!
and get a Hat Box of Wonder that contains either a beret, a malgrave headwrap, gamescom tophat, or the creepy strain squirg!
All items are bind on equip!
 
 
There you go.  A better "get rid of our boxes" campaign that offers:
more than the damned mystery boxes campaign
Removes even more exclusivity
has that RNG that gets NCSoft all tingly in places
and even adds chances for current players to get stuff they may have missed out on.	
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Guys, once again, these items are BoE. You can get them in-game if you don't have direct access to boxes. And people already have.
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Bought the Deluxe edition and been on a six-month sub since the game came out and played since CBT3 after winning a contest to earn a beta key...
 
I think I deserve a top-tier mount and some free stuff more than someone who buys a box. :/
 
Not even going to mention the CREDD I've bought to sell to other players now and then. :/ :/ :/	
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Guys, once again, these items are BoE. You can get them in-game if you don't have direct access to boxes. And people already have.
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I know, like they're gonna shift heads of major system to design cash shop items, when they can hire a small team for this, w/o touching the other teams.
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Why is this relevant? This changes nothing. If we want to purchase something from the company with money, the fact that we can purchase it from other players with ingame credits doesn't change much.
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Guys, once again, these items are BoE. You can get them in-game if you don't have direct access to boxes. And people already have.
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			The worst part is that fat cat is oversized and so different from every other mount, its breaking my immersion. 	
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oh well that makes it ok than I guess. You can't buy  a physical copy like these guys over here but you can buy the shiny items in the box from someone else in game for a stupid amount of plat thats completely fair and balanced and didn't screw over anyone at all
 
BTW if your sarcasm meter isn't registering 11/10 at the moment you might want to get it checked.
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WILDSTAR: COMPLETE CAMPAIGN!
 
To Celebrate a year of WildStar (Yay!) we are going to give newcomers a taste of what it feels like to be here since the beginning!
 
For a limited time All boxed copies :
get upgraded to the Deluxe Edition with no extra charge!
come with the Darkspur costume (it's almost like you were in Beta!)
get 15 boomboxes!
and get a Hat Box of Wonder that contains either a beret, a malgrave headwrap, gamescom tophat, or the creepy strain squirg!
All items are bind on equip!
 
 
There you go.  A better "get rid of our boxes" campaign that offers:
more than the damned mystery boxes campaign
Removes even more exclusivity
has that RNG that gets NCSoft all tingly in places
and even adds chances for current players to get stuff they may have missed out on.
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The worst part for me isn't really the fact that these new boxes get some kind of different loot, there needs to be some incentive. 
However, not a single official respond towards our feelings as not being treated equal, and a possible solution for the loyal playerbase. That's just shrugs.
 
Its like Carbine is doing everything it can to screw the game over as hard as it can, Wildstar is at a fragile position, and its only because of the loyal playerbase that people actually try to convince other people to try the game again. 
Just when people where actually albeit slowly returning the forum gets bombarded ( so does reddit ) with rumors of games being recalled and then this.
 
CARBINE SAY SOMETHING 	
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The worst part is that fat cat is oversized and so different from every other mount, its breaking my immersion. 
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Yeah, I would have to agree. After seeing it up close and personal, it came off as a complete eyesore. I would almost go as far as to say that the new mount actually looks out of place, despite Wildstar's cartoon visuals.
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			But I heard something about Wildstar opening up in Asia? Then this would be a perfect move:) anime thing.	
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Well if this was intented as a PR move it certainly worked! although in the wrong direction
So for 3 days in a row the top reddit topics where 
B2P because of Australia withdrawel 
and now with a whopping 180 comments of pissed of subbers with a few people wanting to return but decided not to because of this dick move in the topic "announcing wildstar doom box promo"
 
All in all the PR team should give it self a pat on the back, they made the news.... 
 
 
Now if only this stunt would have pleased to customers instead of pissing them of! 	
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Cheesh, judging by the posts here you would assume 99% of the players to hate the new stuff, but the reception ingame was overall positive / neutral. The vocal minority I guess.
 
So what is the big issue? Many of you have praised and hailed the cashshop as a lord and saviour of wildstar, and the moment they do anything remotely as that you take up on the barrigades "WHERE'S MY FREE STUFF? I'VE BEEN SUBBED FOR 634234563 YEARS AND GOT NOTHING"
 
One box from online retailer costs about 15€ in EU. You can prolly even snipe some for less(or around the same) from actual stores wanting to get rid of the old copies of Wildstar. Is it really that much? Are you FORCED to buy this item to be able to proceed in the game? No and No. Are you even forced to use real money on it? No, you can also buy it off from other players with plat.
 
And given how many toast that they only use CREDDS for subs we should be rolling in cash and have no issue throwing ~50 plat around for it.
But all in all, we didn't LOSE anything because of this. Just new things added. Get them or don't, stop ruining it for other people.
 
Stop doing "This is why we can't have nice things"
 
Edit: TLDR: If a few euro cosmetic item (box price minus 30 days sub price) makes you unsub, then don't let the door hit you on the way out. Nothing of value was lost	
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 "WHERE'S MY FREE STUFF? I'VE BEEN SUBBED FOR 634234563 YEARS AND GOT NOTHING"
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Edit: TLDR: If a few euro cosmetic item (box price minus 30 days sub price) makes you unsub, then don't let the door hit you on the way out. Nothing of value was lost
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WHERE'S PROTOSTAR SPIDER-RIDER????!!!
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I'l guess the average gamer is pretty happy with this thing:) It's quite common with these things...as I follow many games on twitter.. most of the B2P/F2P ofc but WS might become one soon....
 
Personally I don't like any of the 3 rewards you can get. I love nice costumes but I'm extremly picky!....If I liked them I would buy a box in an instant!....
 
But I'm very happy that they added this reward:) Its kinda cool. Both for the players that got something they wanted..and for carabineros who got some extra dollar..I'm sure they needed it.
 
that FAt cat who swallow the player?..Never seen the like of it...cudos to the art team for coming up with that...	
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If only it was a few €. Removing the sub price from the box leaves the "few euro cosmetic item" to cost around 20 €. This is overpriced as it is but when you take into account that you can't even choose which one to get, the disparity is even greater.
 
There is no reason to think the prices in-game will be anywhere reasonable, either. The fat cats are going for 100 plat, costumes for 60+ plat and the hoverboards for around 40 plat. Of course one can spend hours of time to further break the server's economy by grinding vet shiphands, shell out 90+ € (unless Carbine's intent is to support grey market sites), or buy CREDD for well over that in order to get the items... for ONE character.
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THIS is what i like about these rewards!...ppl can actually BUY the coolest things in a game with real money. Its fluff and cool, but it aint P2W. 
 
As a casual gamer I have bought some very cool looking things from cash shops, that I would NEVER get my hands on inside a subscription game (or if the reward was given due to my skill-level)
 
Now with this stunt..maybe Carabinero can be both an subscription game WITH a cash shop for fluff!! hmm just like wow....but the wow cash shop is full of pretty ugly looking things tbo...
 
But sadly..many ppl here will prob rage because casuals with money get to own the coolest fluff in the game:(	
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THIS is what i like about these rewards!...ppl can actually BUY the coolest things in a game with real money. Its fluff and cool, but it aint P2W. 
 
As a casual gamer I have bought some very cool looking things from cash shops, that I would NEVER get my hands on inside a subscription game (or if the reward was given due to my skill-level)
 
Now with this stunt..maybe Carabinero can be both an subscription game WITH a cash shop for fluff!! hmm just like wow....but the wow cash shop is full of pretty ugly looking things tbo...
 
But sadly..many ppl here will prob rage because casuals with money get to own the coolest fluff in the game:(
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No dont even *cupcake*ing try and justify a cash shop w/ subscription. Drop subscription if you want a cash shop. 
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SWTOR pretty much have sort of a subscription and a cash shop. Granted you dont have to have a swtor subscription to play, but you are utterly gimped without it. And it works great for swtor!
 
And wow has one as said! Nothing bad with it its just fluff:) It has no power other than the power of looking the coolest;)
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Cheesh, judging by the posts here you would assume 99% of the players to hate the new stuff, but the reception ingame was overall positive / neutral. The vocal minority I guess.
 
So what is the big issue? Many of you have praised and hailed the cashshop as a lord and saviour of wildstar, and the moment they do anything remotely as that you take up on the barrigades "WHERE'S MY FREE STUFF? I'VE BEEN SUBBED FOR 634234563 YEARS AND GOT NOTHING"
 
One box from online retailer costs about 15€ in EU. You can prolly even snipe some for less(or around the same) from actual stores wanting to get rid of the old copies of Wildstar. Is it really that much? Are you FORCED to buy this item to be able to proceed in the game? No and No. Are you even forced to use real money on it? No, you can also buy it off from other players with plat.
 
And given how many toast that they only use CREDDS for subs we should be rolling in cash and have no issue throwing ~50 plat around for it.
But all in all, we didn't LOSE anything because of this. Just new things added. Get them or don't, stop ruining it for other people.
 
Stop doing "This is why we can't have nice things"
 
Edit: TLDR: If a few euro cosmetic item (box price minus 30 days sub price) makes you unsub, then don't let the door hit you on the way out. Nothing of value was lost
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Cheesh, judging by the posts here you would assume 99% of the players to hate the new stuff, but the reception ingame was overall positive / neutral. The vocal minority I guess.
 
So what is the big issue? Many of you have praised and hailed the cashshop as a lord and saviour of wildstar, and the moment they do anything remotely as that you take up on the barrigades "WHERE'S MY FREE STUFF? I'VE BEEN SUBBED FOR 634234563 YEARS AND GOT NOTHING"
 
One box from online retailer costs about 15€ in EU. You can prolly even snipe some for less(or around the same) from actual stores wanting to get rid of the old copies of Wildstar. Is it really that much? Are you FORCED to buy this item to be able to proceed in the game? No and No. Are you even forced to use real money on it? No, you can also buy it off from other players with plat.
 
And given how many toast that they only use CREDDS for subs we should be rolling in cash and have no issue throwing ~50 plat around for it.
But all in all, we didn't LOSE anything because of this. Just new things added. Get them or don't, stop ruining it for other people.
 
Stop doing "This is why we can't have nice things"
 
Edit: TLDR: If a few euro cosmetic item (box price minus 30 days sub price) makes you unsub, then don't let the door hit you on the way out. Nothing of value was lost
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What does this have to do with anything? If "fluff" didn't matter, people wouldn't be willing to spend real life money on it for just a chance to get it.
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			We can't get the achievement from marauder costume set after trading it between players... So if you actually want the title from collecting all three items, you NEED to buy boxes and play the RNG game. That suck...	
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I come back off a holiday to this?
 
Carbine I usually love the shiny stuff, I mean I dread to think what I've spent on credd over the last year(ish) to buy said shiny stuff. On the surface this doesn't seem that bad a deal (if you ignore the 'up yours' to loyal customers) getting extra sub time AND shiny stuff for the price of a box.
 
But after the sinking pit of ominous dread this news has kicked off in my stomach I'm having a premonition that the extra game time is going to mean squat soon.
 
And yeah I know I could buy them off the ah eventually but to be honest I just feel a bit 'meh' now. Whatever direction you were trying to go with this it does kinda suck.
 
I think this is where I stop throwing my money at you until I can see where this is going for sure.	
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We can't get the achievement from marauder costume set after trading it between players... So if you actually want the title from collecting all three items, you NEED to buy boxes and play the RNG game. That suck...
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This isn't what I'm seeing in game. Forums are a wild place...
 
Man I cracked up when somebody went purring past me in their kitty yesterday.
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Even if you use it as costume, so it becomes souldbound?
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When will you people understand that " just fluff" is another persons content.
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Let's all go buy 10 boxes for a tenner and then sell on our winnings for upwards of 200 plat, maybe keep one, then buy up CREDD..forcing CREDD prices higher and then get kicked hard in the nuts when you stop charging us and our CREDD is useless.
 
I could go and do this but I'm not gonna support such shit promotions when we've been subbed since day dot and given you our money and you pull this type of thing.	
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And WHY are you upset about ppl paying to get something they like? ITs not an unfair advantage is it? You can pay to get it yourself....or if you dont have real money...farm gold to buy it on the AH.
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I'm upset about Carbine trying to re-sell me something I already own and making me choose whether to spend more real world money in addition to my sub to get the newest, coolest item.
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I think that you have to high expectations from just being a "simple-subscriber"
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And that's the rub. I am now second class to those who are willing to spend money to by virtual items in a video game. Because no, I am not spending $20 on a special mount.
 
Right now, all I'm thinking (in a partially joking manner) is that I'm ticked at TT and his crew for making dungeons and raids so good that I can't quit them.
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AAAAAAHHHHH GAWDS!  THEY"RE DOING THE BLIZZARD!
 
​NO MORE OF THIS EXCLUSIVITY!
 
ITS WHAT I COULD NOT STAND ABOUT WOW! 	
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AAAAAAHHHHH GAWDS!  THEY"RE DOING THE BLIZZARD!
 
​NO MORE OF THIS EXCLUSIVITY!
 
ITS WHAT I COULD NOT STAND ABOUT WOW! 
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In-game is not a place to reflect upon your thoughts on the game. You're supposed to play the game if you're inside of it. The first thing I heard from someone was "you caved in as well?" in a disappointed tone. No shit the mount is amazing and anyone who owns it is happy and the people who don't wants it. 
 
There is a reason why people don't use the game itself as a medium to express their opinions and thoughts. That is the function of the forums. 
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Yeah, I would have to agree. After seeing it up close and personal, it came off as a complete eyesore. I would almost go as far as to say that the new mount actually looks out of place, despite Wildstar's cartoon visuals.
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Eh, I stopped caring now and just try to enjoy the game while it lasts how it is. I'm enjoying my new shinies and even though it was a really shitty thing for carb to do (especially the movement speed) I'm hoping it was a decision from HIGHER and not from them exclusively. 
 
If it starts going down the Archeage route I'm out. 
 
After rift pulled a fast one with the 12month sub thing then going f2p I don't really get that annoyed at things like this. That was their last ditch attempt too and it kind of failed, but then we did get patron from it.
 
 
As long as the f2p/b2p with sub model has the "patron" status for extra stuff I'm fine with that. Plus I would hope they keep credd.
 
And they better not move all the housing and costumes to cash shop or I will cry like a baby.	
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As long as the f2p/b2p with sub model has the "patron" status for extra stuff I'm fine with that. Plus I would hope they keep credd.
 
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"Freemium" model where sub is an option and or having a "patron benefit" for being subbed for X amount of time.
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I don't understand...how can you have CREDD in a F2P or B2P?
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Instead of a "cash" shop still use CREDD ya mean?
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Meanwhile in game... people seem mostly positive haha xD
 	
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Gonna be the first new mount in the official cash shop introduced with F2P (Calling it). 
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			When you add a code where does the extra 30 days show up?	
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When you add a code where does the extra 30 days show up?
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And that's the rub. I am now second class to those who are willing to spend money to buy virtual items in a video game. Because no, I am not spending $20 on a special mount.
 
Right now, all I'm thinking (in a partially joking manner) is that I'm ticked at TT and his crew for making dungeons and raids so good that I can't quit them.
 
And I am not hardcore, nor do I want the game to be niche.
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$20? HA i had to pay 40 >.> the game boxes are so rare i had to go to 3 different stores to get it and i ended up wit the costume and i just wanted to cry. LOL
 
That costume is just a really bad troll.... 2 mounts.. AND A COSTUME
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you do know you can just buy online keys and it works as well right?
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you do know you can just buy online keys and it works as well right?
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			I would guess he means from third-party sites that buy the box, open it, and resell the code. But he can correct me if I'm wrong about that.	
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Does it? I thought it was physical box only from an earlier statement...
OR do you mean purchasing a key that was on a box and placed online?
 
Bit of a communications issue going on if digital codes work too...
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Digital codes work too.
I bought 2 online, for me and my GF and when activated we got the items ingame.
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Online direct from Carbine?
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I imagine it should just tack itself on and extend the "playable until" date in your account management. I've not done it, but perhaps someone else can confirm?
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Couldn't see it anywhere.
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The month gets automatically extended when you activate the key.
Your next billing date shifts up a month.
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Got it so it doesn't say until the next billing cycle.
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no from g2a
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G2A is a grey market code reseller.
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This is about the complete 180 degree turn in Carbine's behavior.
Carbine, I thought, couldn't care less about selling someone the game.  Sure, they loved getting paid like any hardworking company does, but that was merely a means to an end.
Carbine, I thought, didn't even care if people were logged in, if they were logged in for the wrong reasons (*Cough* garrisons *Cough*).
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Pretty sure me and my bro pre ordered from there, never had a problem.
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Pretty sure me and my bro pre ordered from there, never had a problem.
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This is about the complete 180 degree turn in Carbine's behavior.
Carbine, I thought, couldn't care less about selling someone the game.  Sure, they loved getting paid like any hardworking company does, but that was merely a means to an end.
Carbine, I thought, didn't even care if people were logged in, if they were logged in for the wrong reasons (*Cough* garrisons *Cough*).
Carbine, at least used to, celebrate even the idea of people having fun in their game.  Their actions said to me that they truly wanted to make a good, no, great game, and THAT was the only thing that was going to sell their game.  No tricksy marketing, no scumbaggy limed time offers (until now), just "hey! Our game is fun, come play!"  They showed this by being open with their audience and treating them like sensible consumers, they would get excited along side us for future developments, and they would celebrate just having a community and thanking people for finding fun in their game with hats and boomboxes, just for fun.
 
But now, where I once envisioned Carbine devs (the creative ones, not the management) starting off their meetings with " You guys know what would be fun?"  All  I can see is "You know what would sell well?" and I get legitimately depressed at the fact that such a wonderful studio is decaying into yet another cynical husk like the ones this genre is currently plagued by.
 
It's like watching a sensible man turn into captain Ahab overnight.
 
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Lesser of all evils. Several subscription games have cash shops for cosmetic items.
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@yasfan. Because CREDD was a decent way of letting less weathly folk have fun playing their game while also competing against gold sellers. CREDD wasn't fun, it just gave the ability to have fun, and it didn't have any visual difference between CREDD useres and nonCREDD users outside of the animation you get when you consume it.
 
@kindoro, I get that theyre a company that cares about putting food on their tables and buying yatchs or whatever, but until now that has never gotten inbetween the studio/presentation of game content and their playerbase like this. You're right, the game didn't suddenly turn into zynga town, but it shows me that the company is capable of letting desperation stop them from having fun with their community for fun's own sake, and typically when businesses sink into this very specific pit of desperation they never get out, regardless of their financial state progress.	
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That's why it's "grey" instead of "black" ;)
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@yasfan. Because CREDD was a decent way of letting less weathly folk have fun playing their game while also competing against gold sellers. CREDD wasn't fun, it just gave the ability to have fun, and it didn't have any visual difference between CREDD useres and nonCREDD users outside of the animation you get when you consume it.
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			Thanks for the communism vs capitalism lesson Yasfan.	
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Thanks for the communism vs capitalism lesson Yasfan.
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OK then. You're not upset about being denied access because you have access. You're not upset because it will cost a fortune because you can farm plat for free. You're upset because the expense won't be the same for everyone--which it isn't even true for everyone who's buying the boxes, since retailers don't all charge the same amount. 
 
This game has always used a tradeoff between cash and time that costs those who have less plat more cash, and favors people according to very arbitrary traits that have no real sense of equality across social or financial strata, like "how many hours per day can you spend in the game" and "do you have a lifestyle compatible with being in a hardcore raiding guild" and "are you online during times when queues actually take place".
 
I don't like it either, but to me it seems entirely consistent with the entire philosophy underlying this game's financing since Day 1. I mean really--are you surprised? And if so, why?
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Is it time to point out once again that since these items are BoE and not BoP, they are in fact available in-game even for people who don't buy a box?
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The fact that these items are BoE is completely contrary to this argument.  They are BoE so that players can obtain them without spending more real world money.
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			I had no idea people were this batty over cosmetics.	
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I had no idea people were this batty over cosmetics.
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No, it's not. They ARE trying to get me to re-purchase the product and spent real world money above and beyond my sub. And they ARE trying to do it by offering these items. That I can get them second hand in game does not change these facts.
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If these items weren't tradeable then you might have a point.  They are tradeable, so they were meant to be obtainable without a real money purchase.
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Again, it doesn't matter that they are obtainable without a real money purchase. What matters is Carbine is trying to get me to make a real money purchase.
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Its not nearly as bad as you make it out to be, since there is a ceiling on how much power you can buy.  The CREDD sellers will get there first, but your other two groups will absolutely catch up.
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How many players does plat obtained through real money (either by selling these items or by selling CREDD) need to pass through before its clean enough for you? Do you vet every potential buyer of your goods, to ensure they didn't sell CREDD to get the plat they are about to trade you? You left out a few steps for CREDD, seeing as it is also obtained by players spending real world money and can be turned around to sell for virtual money at a price determined by the market. These items are almost exactly the same as CREDD, except that there is no dedicated vendor to sell them and the player paying real money for it gets to keep the game time along with being able to sell the item for in game currency.
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			I've never felt that I have been at a disadvantage, or that I was required to spend more time in the game, compared to someone who sold CREDD in game.  Is that what we're talking about?  P2W?  I thought we were past that with the CREDD system, or in this new case, the box sale only items.	
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I've never felt that I have been at a disadvantage, or that I was required to spend more time in the game, compared to someone who sold CREDD in game.  Is that what we're talking about?  P2W?  I thought we were past that with the CREDD system, or in this new case, the box sale only items.
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CREDD is different because it doesn't introduce any new items into the game based on a person's real world spending. 
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Not but it allows you to buy AMPs and almost everything else including mounts with real world money.
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I had no idea this was not butter...
 
*ahem* anyway!
 
I feel that a large part of this is due to how this is communicated and executed. I don't know for sure how this step fits into whatever plans are for the future and I'm no Timelord or farseer. As I read the page over and over it comes off more as a rushed and incomplete idea. I think ti was very obvious to most if not all posters that this was not intended to bring in new players, but rather aimed at getting additional revenue from existing players with a very small chance that new players may take interest in this. 
 
Now for those of us who played GW2 this is rather similar of the heroic edition introduction structurally, but without the xp boosts, which became the new standard edition. However I felt that went over a little better because unlike here the items given by the heroic were available already to those who had gotten the deluxe and it was an in between of the standard(old standard with bare minimum stuff) and the deluxe editions. The people who never had interest in he deluxe items wouldn't be effected and the people who had them were not either.
 
By comparison if Carbine had followed that setup they would have made like "protopack" which may just give the dyes and a title along with experience flasks, but instead they added something new entirely. This killed the idea fo it being intended for new players for me and in turn pushed me more toward it being an aggressive implementation for funds from the current base.
 
For some people who are currently subbed this is  bit upsetting, because this is advertised more tward them and encouraging to basically buy a 2nd copy of a game not for the item they'd even like, but a box that might give them the item they want or not. While you can trade these ing-game, sell them, etc...You ahve to ask ten why not just sell the box itself OR sell the items themselves separately instead.
 
If this is to recover funds to cover the costs of something I do feel that this is a poor way to do it or rather a more "sketchy" way to handle it. If you want to sell cosmetics like this I felt that just putting these up as items in the store would've sufficed perfectly fine or rather had better reaction than this by some. Especially since 2 of the 3 items are character bound items  and can be traded you could just sell the box for 5 USD and altoholics will eat those suckrs up trying to get them for their characters or friends.
 
Taking a page form TERA, the weapon skins/costumes you got from boxes(purchased or obtained in game) are(or were when i was playing) BoE and tradable even when there was sub and were character bound. They were still rather pricey and sold quite well too in-game via gold or trading.
 
I'm further lead to believe this isn't a complete implementation because people as far as I'm aware can't list these items on the AH/CX. I'm thinking that they have plans to allow this in a future patch that may or may not be linked to the next drop.
 
I mean if we're going to go with selling cosmetic items and RNG boxes lets just do it good right? Least that's how I feel...	
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Don't surprised if Carbine comes out with a statement like Trion did with Dolphin Gate and giving 'old' players a mystery box too.
 
BTW, Dolphin gate was Trion giving all this crap to new and returning players to ArcheAge with a super rare dolphin you could get in game, but new and retuning players got it free.  So of course the current players did not take well to this and Trion caved in and gave everyone new and old the same bonus.
 
Just saying this is very possible due to all the bad PR they have been getting.	
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Don't surprised if Carbine comes out with a statement like Trion did with Dolphin Gate and giving 'old' players a mystery box too.
 
BTW, Dolphin gate was Trion giving all this crap to new and returning players to ArcheAge with a super rare dolphin you could get in game, but new and retuning players got it free.  So of course the current players did not take well to this and Trion caved in and gave everyone new and old the same bonus.
 
Just saying this is very possible due to all the bad PR they have been getting.
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I wouldn't be surprised and actually I think those upset would be settled at getting at least 1 box for being a current sub when this was implemented.
 
however as I've said elsewhere I'm just sitting back and being patient for when/if Carbine responds.
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I wouldn't be surprised and actually I think those upset would be settled at getting at least 1 box for being a current sub when this was implemented.
 
however as I've said elsewhere I'm just sitting back and being patient for when/if Carbine responds.
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I'm further lead to believe this isn't a complete implementation because people as far as I'm aware can't list these items on the AH/CX. 
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 :huh: Surely you aren't serious.
 
Demand is based on how many people want something and have the plat to pay for it. CREDD concentrates more wealth in the hands of a smaller number of players, increasing the rate at which they can afford particularly expensive items that would otherwise be out of their reach. Their increased ability to pay for those expensive items increases the demand for them.
 
Supply is based on how much work it takes to produce something and how much plat you get for selling it. By driving up the demand for expensive items, CREDD increases the profit margin for producing it and incentivizes production, so more people put more time and effort into producing it.
 
The only way CREDD wouldn't affect supply and demand is if all items in the game were equally desireable and took equal amounts of effort to produce. That's not true in any game, and it's certainly not true in this one.
 
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I've never seen this approach to mmo economics. Do you have an example of another MMO that shows this effect?
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Which effect are you referring to?
The part where increased demand for something drives increased production of it? (hint: all MMOs)
The part where increased concentration of in-game wealth drives increased demand for high-value items? (hint: all MMOs)
Or the part where a game can create an in-game wealth disparity by taking in-game wealth from people who spend less cash and putting it in the hands of people who spend more cash? (hint: all RMT2P MMOs)
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Don't surprised if Carbine comes out with a statement like Trion did with Dolphin Gate and giving 'old' players a mystery box too.
 
BTW, Dolphin gate was Trion giving all this crap to new and returning players to ArcheAge with a super rare dolphin you could get in game, but new and retuning players got it free.  So of course the current players did not take well to this and Trion caved in and gave everyone new and old the same bonus.
 
Just saying this is very possible due to all the bad PR they have been getting.
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			I wouldn't mind seeing these things end up as rewards from contracts. I doubt it will happen though since it will definitely rub a lot of people the wrong way.Who knows though? I didn't expect them to slap RNG rewards on retail boxes either...	
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Not but it allows you to buy AMPs and almost everything else including mounts with real world money.
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Already linked it but lets link again
http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/9/8006693/the-truth-behind-those-mysteriously-cheap-gray-market-game-codes
 
This one way to get free codes...
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/LeszekLisowski/20141001/226840/How_to_get_every_game_on_STEAM_for_free.php
 
 
Anyway I don't want to support those Grey Sellers
Steam has already made a few changes that gifts from certain countries don't work anymore.
Also Companies have disabled keys that have been sold through those markets.
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Wish they'd open up a Cash Shop and be done with it. I went out and bought two copies today. (it was all my local Best Buy had) One was a repackage so now I have to get my money back tomorrow. 
I've been reading where people are talking about ordering from Amazon. Amazon often sells repackages and calls them New. I fell victim to a repackage from Amazon in March when I ordered DBZ Season 9 on Bluray. Discs had fingerprints and the Piccolo trading card insert was missing.
 
Point being is Carbine is not only slapping us with this silly "here, you deal with our bulk" crap, but you're running us through the ringer by submitting us to 3rd party foul play. 
Hell, if Carbine is so desperate for money, don't even sell me the cosmetics in a Cash Shop, sell me the Box they come in, that way you're still getting nine purchases from each of us just so we can have one of each cosmetic. If that's what it takes I don't even care, that's walking around money as far as I'm concerned. Just please stop dicking us around and wasting our time.
You're really shafting your loyal customers.
 
EDIT: Forgot to ask, does anyone know of a site selling decently priced NA keys? I keep finding cheap EU keys but those won't work. I just want the cosmetics, ripping my dreads out in frustration here! D:	
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-Sigh-
 
It's the same mistakes over and over again.
By differnet companies in the same market, repeating themselves over and over.
 
You'd think that at some point these companies would have learned, but no.
They make the same mistakes over, and over, and over, and over, and over.	
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-Sigh-
 
It's the same mistakes over and over again.
By differnet companies in the same market, repeating themselves over and over.
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I think getting rid of physical boxes is a good thing for Carbine. This is one way to go about it. It's rediculously expensive to withdraw physical boxes from retailers and also expensive to support them. It's much better to just sell digital copies for download and cut out retailers. I don't even think Carbine is making any money on this move at all.
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-Sigh-
 
It's the same mistakes over and over again.
By differnet companies in the same market, repeating themselves over and over.
 
You'd think that at some point these companies would have learned, but no.
They make the same mistakes over, and over, and over, and over, and over.
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I've never felt that I have been at a disadvantage, or that I was required to spend more time in the game, compared to someone who sold CREDD in game. Is that what we're talking about? P2W? I thought we were past that with the CREDD system, or in this new case, the box sale only items.
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People are angry about the boxes now. Because there are things that you can get for extra cash that other people don't get without paying for them in real or fake money. Which is a problem...?
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Wish they'd open up a Cash Shop and be done with it. I went out and bought two copies today. (it was all my local Best Buy had) One was a repackage so now I have to get my money back tomorrow.
 
I've been reading where people are talking about ordering from Amazon. Amazon often sells repackages and calls them New. I fell victim to a repackage from Amazon in March when I ordered DBZ Season 9 on Bluray. Discs had fingerprints and the Piccolo trading card insert was missing.
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Yep. It's a problem.
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WORDS WORDS WORDS
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Is this the part where we give opposing opinions like they are facts? I like that part. I'm good at that part.
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Nope. To say it differently, for some people it is a problem that "there are things that you can get for extra cash that other people don't get without paying for them in real or fake money."
 
Now whether you agree or disagree that this SHOULD be a problem, it is definitely a problem for these folks.
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Damn it I can't argue that some people might feel that way. I don't know how to forum right now...
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I like the additions, one its still a good investment, you get plat for dup pieces you get and you get time and an item.
So grind if you need plat, I know the prices of these items but thats how it is when its new.
You get in on this now and gain plat, you wait for prices to level off, if they ever do, you grind plat in game or you find like minded people who also want the items but can't or refuse to pay real world money for them, perhaps you decide after your "longish" grind you don't want any of them anymore you have a nice lump of plat to play with.
 
I would purchase the boxes for the obvious item and gain a huge amount of plat (ofcourse) after I got the item for myself first.
 
For me these items are a none issue, if you think about it, it's just vanity items, granted I would like them but to me it doesn't matter when i get them.  Unless the game payment model changes, but from the looks of things there are a lot more new players around and about.  If you don't think so lets play with that shall we, when your in game type in a class in who, say /who warrior boom stacked at 50, eng boom 50, and so on.  I did this the other day and it was capped out, do it this today and on the weekend then ppl can stop all this bs f.2.p. crap you want proof of pop there you go, gl hf and all that.	
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Bwhahahahaha. Well really that was all I'm saying.
 
The path forward is to explain to us why we SHOULDN'T feel that way.
 
Or, we could just agree to disagree, and recognize that not everyone will be happy.
 
That might break the internet though.
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The path forward is to explain to us why we SHOULDN'T feel that way.
 
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Like ... haven't some of us been trying for like ... twenty pages to do just that?   :huh:   You said it was making you angry to have those reasons pointed out to you.
 
If nothing that's been said is going to mollify you, then no amount of words will.
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Like ... haven't some of us been trying for like ... twenty pages to do just that?   :huh:   You said it was making you angry to have those reasons pointed out to you.
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Clearly you missed my tone on that one. Sorry, tone in typing is hard.
 
I don't actually want anyone to explain how I should feel about anything. That's a fools errand. When I said "the path forward", I was meaning (in jest) was "If we really wan't to keep arguing". But the second half of my post is what I think the better way is: "accept that we feel differently about things, that feelings are valid, and agree to disagree".
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Two things that people say while forgetting to give an afterthought about it...
Geez people can be so *blind* it is terrifying...
 
 
I've seen a lot of "I'd totally buy this if it was in a cash shop".
 
Dude think about it a minute : you're asking to be double dipped there. If an item, be it a mount, a costume, a dye, or whatever, can be placed into a cash-shop then it can ALSO be placed behind content like a quest chain, rep, dungeon drop etc...
So we're getting double-dipped if it's in a cash-shop : not only do we have to give money that we already gave with our sub but on top of that we're not getting the content leading to that item.
 
I've seen a lot of "if there's a cash shop there's nothing wrong as long as it's only fluff".
 
There are lots of people playing for different type of content and having different goals. Some go about power, some about fluff, some about ranking, some after this or that bartle type of content, and many in between. So what happens with that type of comment is that it's the players that are about fluff that are going to end up paying for all those that are not, with every shades in between. This is what you guys want ? That a sub part of the population pays for the rest ?
 
People seriously, give a bit more thoughts before "interneting" with simple radical solutions that seem ok to you and remember you're not the only one here and there are many different types of players out there.
 
 
Secondly, about the Box mystery box items : We don't know if this sets a precedent and if it will become a trend. Maybe it's only a one shot solution that depends of a specific timeline with stocks, with funds, whatever. Maybe Carbine doesn't like doing so and is only doing it once because now is the time and maybe they really don't want to have to do it again. We don't know.	
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Don't want to bring them to ideas...
BnS went free to play 2 months ago in Japan and they have a subscription that gives you some extra's and discounts in game (you can access your bank from everywhere, AH fee is lower and you get some extra cash from quests)
What they did was couple the 30 days and 90 days with rewards, like costume items.
 
I can already see you getting 1 mystery box if you buy a 30 day VIP and you get all 3 items if you get a 90 day VIP.	
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			@Shoogli, do keep in mind the recent buzz about the game changing payment models. (DISCLAIMER: This isn't my whole stand on this practice)  Some folk talking about cash shops might be taking the pending change into consideration, and don't consider it to be double dipping at that point.	
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Dude think about it a minute : you're asking to be double dipped there. If an item, be it a mount, a costume, a dye, or whatever, can be placed into a cash-shop then it can ALSO be placed behind content like a quest chain, rep, dungeon drop etc...
So we're getting double-dipped if it's in a cash-shop : not only do we have to give money that we already gave with our sub but on top of that we're not getting the content leading to that item.
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I've never heard of content/story being created to fit an item... and what is happening now is precisely what you describe you dont want.
The redmoon outfit... why doesn't that drop in skullcano?
 
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The redmoon outfit... why doesn't that drop in skullcano?
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