Report 774

Report #774
Skillset: Celestialism Skill: Weakness
 Org: Celestines Status: Completed May 2012
Furies' Decision:
Solution 2.
Problem: Currently Weakness is a Japhiel pledge affliction, that remains
thematically inappropriate and has limited to little use for a Celestine. We
feel that the following solutions offer a more thematic approach and at the same
time addresses more utility as an affliction
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Change weakness with transfix, sets it on par with
 Nifilhelma utility being a writhe cure without being
 an actual copy, it will strip blindness first, as
 wisdom first clarifies the sight before transfixing
 you with its wonders
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Change weakness with Disloyalty, new found wisdom
 undermines your confidence in your masters so you are
 brainwashed into attacking them
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Change weakness with diziness, the strong mental
 assault leaves you dizzy and unstable
Player Comments:
---[Azula on 4/23 @ 15:05 writes]:
The solutions are arranged by decreasing favor and evaluated strength of the
afflictions
---[Enyalida on 4/24 @ 22:42 writes]:
I am very much against Solution 1. The closest thing to it is the spix, which
hits only every 12 seconds and cannot be sped up. You'd also be able to evoke
this effect with your symbol, making the problem worse. Solution 2 is...
alright, though masked afflicting with disloyalty has the potential to really
screw up certain classes (all of the other guardians). Solution 3 dosn't seem
worthwhile, however.
---[Azula on 4/25 @ 06:41 writes]:
Other solutions I can suggest is to replace weakness with confusion, or allow a
one line illusion of the Celestine's choice to fire
---[Draylor on 4/25 @ 12:33 writes]:
I have to agree with Enya on this. Transfix seems a little too much. I was going
to actually suggest making the Japhiel afflictions entirely masked. At least
that way, the current weakness will be made slightly more useful. Coupled in
with the rest of the Japhiel afflictions however, this might be a bit too much.
I'm sure there's a middle ground here, though.
---[Azula on 4/25 @ 15:59 writes]:
Masking angel afflictions is hardly the balanced way to go here. While I may
concede that an 8 second transfix can be a bit overwhelming, solutions 2, 3 and
4a/b are sound options. To clarify why I wanted to push for solution a is that,
if compared with Shackles in Nihilism, which is also a writhe cure, and
unobstructed by blindness, Transfix is hardly an issue, since it will also
respect blindness first.
---[Azula on 4/25 @ 16:07 writes]:
With regards to Enyalida's statement, regarding dizziness, the reason I
suggested this is to address a form of utility in preventing an enemy from
running away or using a transplanar device immediately, compared to weakness, so
it is quite worthwhile. The only reason why I hesitated to push for confusion is
that Celestines already have access to confusion, though uncontrolled via
heretic-infidel. However, I would agree to implement it over the other three
solutions noted initially in the report. Disloyalty, as Enyalida stated would
appear limited in use, but I wish to push for this, to address this special need
---[Llandros on 4/25 @ 20:44 writes]:
Solution 1 is no good. Transfix costs 2p in glamours and you want it for free
because it is cured by writhe? Solution 2 or 3 maybe but I'm not convinced it's
needed.
---[Raeri on 4/26 @ 11:22 writes]:
Could go with ropes entanglement potentially, if you need an alternate writhe
cure aff.
---[Enyalida on 4/29 @ 23:28 writes]:
Ropes is just as bad as transfix, Raeri. I have no problems with Solution 3.
---[Silvanus on 5/1 @ 03:02 writes]:
Nifilhema is not only a writhe cure, but provides the ability to summer/tipheret
away the ropes, very much needed against a Nihilist. If it were only a writhe
cure, that'd be extremely powerful.
---[Rivius on 5/1 @ 03:07 writes]:
Transfix is a far longer writhe than Nifilhema, and as Silvanus mentioned is
also uncurable by tipheret/summer. I'd rather go with solution 2 or 3. I agree
that weakness is definitely not that great an affliction for a celestine, but
transfix is something that should never be passive.
---[Shuyin on 5/1 @ 21:40 writes]:
Solution 2 or 3 is fine
---[Ushaara on 5/2 @ 17:30 writes]:
Solution 2 or 3 also fine with me.
---[Tacita on 5/5 @ 18:58 writes]:
Definitely not Solution 1 for the reasons given by others, Solutions 2/3
supported though.
---[Raeri on 5/6 @ 02:38 writes]:
Will support Solution 3 (preferred), and possibly Solution 2 (less so). No to
Solution 1.
---[Valistrielle on 5/6 @ 09:13 writes]:
Solution 3 or 2.
---[Hiriako on 5/24 @ 00:26 writes]:
Solution 2 or 3.