148707-boss-hunter-challenge

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They're the biggest of the baddest and the baddest of the biggest. They're bosses and it's time somebody took 'em down! For a limited time get extra rewards every time you or your party slay a World Boss or Legendary Champion. Starting January 7 at 2:01am PST, and going through January 10 at 11:59pm PST, it’s time to take on the Boss Hunter Challenge!
 
Learn more in our official news article: http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2016-01-05-boss-hunter-challenge/	
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First, thank you. I was just about to give up from lack of stuff to do. Honestly, now that I've tasted "Full Flavored WildStar" (meaning Wildstar with events), I just can't go back to Unflavored Wildstar again.  This is a nice flavor, so thank you.
 
Secondly, if the page is 100%, then it seems as though EVERYTHING new is attainable via the Boss Boxes and NONE of this stuff is on the Cash Shop? If so, that's cool, I guess.	
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First, thank you. I was just about to give up from lack of stuff to do. Honestly, now that I've tasted "Full Flavored WildStar" (meaning Wildstar with events), I just can't go back to Unflavored Wildstar again.  This is a nice flavor, so thank you.
 
Secondly, if the page is 100%, then it seems as though EVERYTHING new is attainable via the Boss Boxes and NONE of this stuff is on the Cash Shop? If so, that's cool, I guess.
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Okay, this event is awesome ... because of that thing: 
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Ah well, it looks like fun and I hope it's something that keeps coming back, but right now I can't participate.  With my connection any time I get near a WB encounter I get DC'ed(and yes, I know it's my connection because before I moved to WY I was doing just fine in WB encounters).
 
Good luck to those that participate :D 	
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"they have a 100% chance to drop a new Shiny Token you can turn in at a vendor in your capital city, along with a lockbox key (normally only available for purchase from the In-Game Store for NCoin or OmniBits)"
 
Does that mean the world bosses will drop the token and key? Or that you have to turn in a token and key to get the box?	
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They're the biggest of the baddest and the baddest of the biggest. They're bosses and it's time somebody took 'em down! For a limited time get extra rewards every time you or your party slay a World Boss or Legendary Champion. Starting January 7 at 2:01am PST, and going through January 10 at 11:59pm PST, it’s time to take on the Boss Hunter Challenge!
 
Learn more in our official news article: http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2016-01-05-boss-hunter-challenge/
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I can't believe I am saying this, but great post, Cupcake.  ;)
 
Unless I am reading this wrong, the Lockbox Keys are just another reward being handed out at this time. Now, I can totally see the Freebie Keys being a "gateway drug" to future purchases, but as it stands, it just seems like they are trying to *encourage* people to farm (and open) Lockboxes. I don't have a problem with them "pushing" an item (even a cruddy RNG one) so long as they ain't locking super-cool totally-unique or above-normal-power-level BoP items in there. I don't *like* RNG Boxes. I don't (generally) purchase them myself (unless they are uber-cheap and hiding an awesome prize like the 50-cent ones during the Space Chase) but some people do.
 
And, to be blunt, the company needs all the gold pieces it can get to survive. 
 
Now, if this event handed out Lockboxes and NO KEYS except those on the Cash Shop, then we'd be having a totally different and altogether less polite discussion with Crabine right now.  :lol:
 
EDIT: Oh, the irony of this post is not lost on me now that we know the truth. 
			
				
	Edited January 8, 2016 by Tex Arcana	
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Dumb question time, but what's considered a "Legendary Champion"?  Would it be the named rares, like you need for the "I Like It Rare:_____" achievements?
 
http://www.jabbithole.com/search?q=i+like+it+rare	
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Dumb question time, but what's considered a "Legendary Champion"?  Would it be the named rares, like you need for the "I Like It Rare:_____" achievements?
 
http://www.jabbithole.com/search?q=i+like+it+rare
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This would be my understanding, in which case the chances at the Boss Hunter Challenge rewards are available for any characters level 6+ in a group of 5?
Carbine has clarified the legendary champion monicker around the F2P transition when describing various changes to the leveling process but I don't have a link to the article off hand...
 
- Vos
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I has two questions:Are you saying that we need to bring a lockbox key with the token in order to get a reward, or are we being given a lockbox key as part of the reward?
 
Are Lopp Hunter pets Lopps who hunt, or hunters who hunt Lopps? The distinction is very, very important...	
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			To be clear on the 100% drop rate of the Shiny Token and Lockbox Key, is that per person or will they have to be rolled on by the raid?	
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I'm fairly sure the Lockbox Keys (or whatever) are the exact same ones from the cash shop that allow you to open a chest at the end of Veteran Dungeons (and I don't know if raids have that feature) and are not related to the event rewards at all. Nothing in the text suggest to me that you need both the Shiny Token and the Lockbox Key.
 
With that in mind, then I will call this the "Let's Lure People Into Our Group Endgame Somehow Challenge Event" because nothing lures people into content more than shiny rewards!
 
And, incidentally:
HOLY CRAP Carbine, you are making an event based on the World Bosses that are ALREADY a lagfest like no other? Seriously? I hope you are optimizing the game or the encounter somehow because those always kill my FPS no matter how low I move every graphic option.
			
				
	Edited January 5, 2016 by Ildur	
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EDIT: I thought Shiny Token meant lockbox key lol.
 
Anyway, I wish we didn't have to buy Lockbox keys to have a shot at the goodies. Please give us something like Eko Chits where we can convert them into Lockbox keys (for this event only). One of the good things from the Space Chase event is you could either farm, use the CX, or Cash Shop to get the event currency.
			
				
	Edited January 5, 2016 by Spider Bro Jenkins	
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I feel like whoever came up with this event has never tried to do a world boss on an average machine any time between mid afternoon- late evening.
Cool looking items, but this is a really terrible idea, sorry.	
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For those that suffer constant disconnects when trying to do world bosses give this a try.
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/148716-disconnected-reason-10-fix/	
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Hi all,
 
To confirm, the lockbox key is sold in the in-game store and can be attainable through either NCoin or Omnibits. The thing that drops is the Shiny Token. Both are needed.
 
Thank you,
 
-Team WildStar	
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Both are needed.
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			I'm going to echo that. Both are needed to get ANY of the items at all? Or some need the key and others need the shiny tokens?	
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Pretty sure both are needed for each reward. The token probably buys the chest and the key unlocks it.
 
If that wasn't the case there would have been no need for clarification before. xD	
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So the way I read the announcement is WBs drop tokens (100% "chance") and lockbox keys (likely not at 100%).
The way I read Yaviey's post is they only drop tokens and keys have to be purchased from the shop.
 
Keys are either needed to get event lockboxes (both the token and key are traded at the NPC) or keys are needed to open the event lockboxes so ultimately they're needed to get event rewards (along with luck getting the rewards one wants from the RNG boxes but that's a different story). Faster WB spawns aside, which is nice for the people who can do them I suppose.
 
So depending on whether keys drop as part of the event this is either a nice incentive to go out and do stuff or a case of "meh, it's a somewhat elaborate advert for lockbox keys".
 
I'll reserve my judgement on the event until I know how keys are obtained but in either case I hope the things in the lockboxes can be traded because World Bosses are something I can't do.
 
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Hi all,
To confirm, the lockbox key is sold in the in-game store and can be attainable through either NCoin or Omnibits. The thing that drops is the Shiny Token. Both are needed.
Thank you,
-Team WildStar
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Pretty sure both are needed for each reward. The token probably buys the chest and the key unlocks it.
 
If that wasn't the case there would have been no need for clarification before. xD
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For those that wanted to do the event, Legendary Champions count too. So you can travel the world doing that if you can't handle WBs, I assume they won't be as crowded.
 
On another note, I will not participate in this event if I have to buy Lockbox keys to get the rewards. I had enough of RNG boxes with Space Chase, and I'm pretty sure I won't get what I want anyways. I suppose if I have the Omni-Bits to spare (after buying things I do find worthwhile like account/character unlock stuff) I might buy some but not with real money.
 
I was also excited for the Sim Chase event but I'm pretty sure it's just a repeat of the same things I don't like.
 
I would have loved to buy some of the stuff directly (like those Housing Soundtracks I never got from the Space Crates), but oh well.	
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Erm. Can we get an exact rundown of how this event is going. As in:
 
You need to buy lockbox keys from the NC store for NCoins or Omnibits to open the lockboxes from the event?
 
If so, you just shot the event in the foot and this will I'd wager be your least successful yet.	
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			Wow, this is terrible. You get an item that only is usable if you spend money? And it's a gamble box? :(	
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			This definitely smells to me like Carbine testing the waters to see what they can get away with.	
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I would be okay if the RNG boxes were able to be opened via Non-Cash Shop means, and some of the better goodies are available in the Cash Shop only. Heck, have the Cash Shop offer boxes with a greater chance for the better rewards just give us a fighting chance to grind without being forced to use it. (Once again, I would have gladly paid for some of the goodies directly instead of grinding but RNG boxes for everything makes me sad.)
 
I would be okay if RNG boxes included some kind of voucher where you can redeem them for specific items, something like how Madam Fay does that if you buy enough Fortune Coins. I know there's still some RNG with the Madam Fay method though, so I'm not asking for this to mirror that.
 
I probably wouldn't have minded Space Chase so much if the music was able to be put up in the AH or CX. I really don't want to be at the mercy of other players setting whatever price they wanted. I mean, they still have that power but everything seems more transparent when it's posted somewhere. I didn't even like how the Snarfelynx and Glitter Kitty Hoverboard were originally not able to be posted either.	
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my prediction of the event:
 
login on Wildstar	
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			If I'm reading this right, the event rewards boxes we have to pay to open. If that's the case, just put the items up for sale in the store. A lot less disgusting that way. 	
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I usually try to support Carbine in all their endeavors - I get it, they definitely need to make a profit. My question is whether this was a blatantly necessary move because they're hurting and need to squeeze the player, or if as above it's just them testing the waters to see what will slide.
 
To put it bluntly, this is something I would expect from SW:TOR, the royalty of cashgrabbing MMOs. You can do the event! But to get literally anything out of it, you have to pay up.
 
Or Yaviey had a communication error and it's not a case of lockbox from boss opened by a cash-bought key. Which I hope it is.	
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From the news post:
 
During the Boss Hunter Challenge, every time you or your party slays a World Boss or Legendary Champion, they have a 100% chance to drop a new Shiny Token you can turn in at a vendor in your capital city, along with a lockbox key (normally only available for purchase from the In-Game Store for NCoin or OmniBits).
 
"Normally only available for purchase" means this is an abnormal case, so either you guys have changed your mind (and decided it's not worth your time to change the news post) or someone was woefully wrong in writing the news post.  Either way, adding a fun new event to the game that you only get the rewards from by spending cash is not a FUN new event.  You have pulled a SWTOR on us.  I stopped playing that game for this type of thing exactly.
 
I know you guys need cash, I have no problem with the cash shop.  I have no problem with SOME things being only available through the cash shop.  An entire event done IN GAME whose rewards are ONLY accessable through the cash shop?  No thanks.
 
I'll enjoy the lowered PaP requirement, the more frequent boss kills (assuming I can stay connected) and the possibility of gear upgrades/other loot from the bosses themselves.  I won't be buying any keys to get any of the special stuff because I refuse to support this type of event just on general principle.	
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I think everyone is misunderstanding the post...
 
The post in my understanding means that bosses are dropping a token AND a lockbox key.
You get the key as a reward for killing the boss, which you normally have to buy from the cash shop.
So kill a world boss, get the key, run a dungeon and open the box at the end.	
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I think everyone is misunderstanding the post...
 
The post in my understanding means that bosses are dropping a token AND a lockbox key.
You get the key as a reward for killing the boss, which you normally have to buy from the cash shop.
So kill a world boss, get the key, run a dungeon and open the box at the end.
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oh I missed that post.
Yeah, not going to bother then with this.	
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oh I missed that post.
Yeah, not going to bother then with this.
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By the power of cut and paste, I bring you:
 
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During the Boss Hunter Challenge, every time you or your party slays a World Boss or Legendary Champion, they have a 100% chance to drop a new Shiny Token you can turn in at a vendor in your capital city, along with a lockbox key (normally only available for purchase from the In-Game Store for NCoin or OmniBits). Normal creatures you find throughout the overworld of Nexus have a small chance to drop a Shiny Token as well, so it’ll pay to get some other questing done during the event, too.
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This is the second time you have made a scummy event.  First was the Back to the Future Hoverboard that you made out on the site was obtainable now it's all this stuff...oh wait but BUT you have to buy stuff for it.We get it now - we really do, make crappy events that zerg areas and make the game rubbish so you can make money from the shop.Maybe you should create a song using the "All about that base" soundtrack:
 
It's all about that shop, about that shop, about that shop.Well done for royally screwing with a potentially great game.  Disgraceful.Making something RNG after you purchase from the shop is terrible.  I don't go down to a video shop and buy a chuffing case on a "lucky dip" basis do I?  I don't go to a shop and buy a packet of something hoping it's crisps?  Get your brains in order - either treat people as consumers and allow them to buy stuff they want or you're fast gonna run out of gaining any money when the RNG god takes a huge dump on you.
			
				
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This has really disheartened me about the game. I hope, hope, hope, this is just testing the waters rather than a desperate move to get money. Because it looks like the latter.
 
This is charging people money to enjoy the rewards they've earned playing the game. Come on, what kind of a game does that?
 
This event may not be targeted at me, but it sure is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
 
And if the keys are only available for purchase with NCoin or Omnibits, why do you have the line "normally only available for purchase from the In-Game Store for NCoin or OmniBits" in the event description? It's a strange thing to say if the keys are *still* only available for purchase with NCoin or Omnibits. I hope that's a mistake, because if it's an intentional misdirection, it's really rotten. :angry:	
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Oh, I am sorry. I completely change my previous opinion.
 
Nevermind. Won't be logging in. Won't farm World Bosses. Won't PAY for the privilege of participating in something I've done a hundred times already.
 
Nope. No thanks.
 
Let me be clear:
 
FORCING PEOPLE TO PAY FOR GAMBLE BOXES AND THEN DISGUISING THAT AS AN "EVENT REWARD" IS SCUMMY AS HELL. 
 
Just put the freaking Gamble Boxes on the Cash Shop and save me the hassle of killing Zoetic again. Just put the decor packages on the Cash Shop. I'd pay for those. I'd pay for bundles of cool decor any day.
 
But to be given a "reward" and then lock that "reward" behind a Cash Wall and THEN MAKE IT RANDOM CRAP TO BOOT? Holy crap, Crabine. Sheesh.
 
Please hire me. Pretty please. 22 years of professional marketing experience here. I can help. I want to help. I'll even move to Austin or Dallas (yikes) if I have to.	
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This is really low and if this is the future that Wildstar is going in then I can't see me playing the game for much longer.  I just recently came from a game (Archeage) which was ruined by a mismanaged cash shop and a developer (Trion) who mismanaged that game into the ground.
 
Having an event that is entirely based around a cash shop item and the fact that said item is RNG then to me this is ridiculous and whoever thought that this would be a good idea should be barred from making anymore suggestions. This event stinks of two things, NCSoft is now starting to dictate what you should be doing in order to make money and the second point is you think people have too many omnibits and you are trying to get them to use them up on lockbox keys in order to reduce the amount of them in game.
 
I wont be participating in this event and I hope I never see this type of thing again in Wildstar but if it turns out this is going to be a regular thing then I may have to reconsider wither it is worth my while playing Wildstar.  It may sound extreme and people may say this is a stereotypical thing with cash shop games but it doesn't mean I need to bend over and take it.	
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			I take total and absolute responsibility for this problem, you see I used to play SWTOR and the boxes started when I started to play there, things got really bad so I move to STO and the lock boxes flourished in STO so I decided to move away from the "Curse of the lock box", so I found this little paradise, and I started to play for 1 week now and I am thinking I did it, I managed to break the curse and I saw this event and I shouted to the top of my LUNGS< YES> YES I finally found it, but then I heard a crackling laugh that only could come from the evil pits of the Inferno of the lock boxes and here you have it, just blame me, I am the guy who you see every summer in the middle of the afternoon walking on the streets wearing a rain jacket.	
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I take total and absolute responsibility for this problem, you see I used to play SWTOR and the boxes started when I started to play there, things got really bad so I move to STO and the lock boxes flourished in STO so I decided to move away from the "Curse of the lock box", so I found this little paradise, and I started to play for 1 week now and I am thinking I did it, I managed to break the curse and I saw this event and I shouted to the top of my LUNGS< YES> YES I finally found it, but then I heard a crackling laugh that only could come from the evil pits of the Inferno of the lock boxes and here you have it, just blame me, I am the guy who you see every summer in the middle of the afternoon walking on the streets wearing a rain jacket.
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I take total and absolute responsibility for this problem, you see I used to play SWTOR and the boxes started when I started to play there, things got really bad so I move to STO and the lock boxes flourished in STO so I decided to move away from the "Curse of the lock box", so I found this little paradise, and I started to play for 1 week now and I am thinking I did it, I managed to break the curse and I saw this event and I shouted to the top of my LUNGS< YES> YES I finally found it, but then I heard a crackling laugh that only could come from the evil pits of the Inferno of the lock boxes and here you have it, just blame me, I am the guy who you see every summer in the middle of the afternoon walking on the streets wearing a rain jacket.
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			I tried to buy one but the RNG gave me a loaf of bread after opening 20 boxes and getting nothing but decorations and other stuff so I quit trying to get the rope. I told you I am cursed.
			
				
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I'll bring torches...
 
So, now that the cat's out of the bag and it's clear that we're supposed to buy keys for a chance at the RNG lottery - Judgment:
Neither of my two proposed statements hold true for this event. This isn't a nice incentive to go out and do stuff, it's no elaborate ad for lockbox keys either.
What this event is is Carbine giving in to the mandate from NCSoft while completely disregarding what audience this game's been marketed at or what the players want.
 
Way to go, can we have diminishing returns on earned rewards after playing for more than 3 hours next?
 
Things are starting to look grim... again.	
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To put it bluntly, this is something I would expect from SW:TOR, the royalty of cashgrabbing MMOs. You can do the event! But to get literally anything out of it, you have to pay up.
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I wouldn't mind if the event allowed you to open these RNG boxes by buying a key off the vendor using the tokens that dropped but if you bought the cash shop key you had an increased chance of getting something useful out of it.
 
That way people can still farm them and open them with a reduced chance of getting a good reward and those with more money than sense and those with omnibits coming out the wazoo can buy the cash shop keys for an increased chance of getting a good reward.
			
				
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I'll bring torches...
 
So, now that the cat's out of the bag and it's clear that we're supposed to buy keys for a chance at the RNG lottery - Judgment:
Neither of my two proposed statements hold true for this event. This isn't a nice incentive to go out and do stuff, it's no elaborate ad for lockbox keys either.
What this event is is Carbine giving in to the mandate from NCSoft while completely disregarding what audience this game's been marketed at or what the players want.
 
Way to go, can we have diminishing returns on earned rewards after playing for more than 3 hours next?
 
Things are starting to look grim... again.
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			Blasphemy, I just commited blasphemy invoking the name of a game who never shall be repeated, my apologies. I shall walk the streets with a sign of shame over my naked, covered in tar and feathers body for a month as punishment for my idiocy.... ;(
			
				
	Edited January 7, 2016 by Kampalo Palo	
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I'm one of those players that tends to put a good light on things, even when the situation is borderline or slightly crosses over the line, as I prefer to stay in a good mood about things, even if others are quicker to complain about it, since barking angrily typically doesn't produce much more than a headache and sore throat.
 
While I still refuse to get angry about this (I'm not required to participate, so best way to go about it is ignore what I do not like), I do feel compelled to express my deep disappointment in how this (at least for now) seems to be working. In all honesty, after reading the article announcing this event, I was under the impression that the world bosses had a 100% chance to drop both a Shiny Token and a Key. I assumed that the Legendary mobs would only 100% drop the tokens (not the keys) and that other mobs would have a chance to drop the tokens too (also not keys, and at a ercentage well below 100 for the tokens). I saw it as Carbine offering us a chance at some freebie keys (which "normally" have to be purchased) via world boss kills, but with the likelihood that folks would end up with a surplus of tokens as opposed to keys, that Carbine would effectively get their "carrot on a stick" thing that might incentivize some folks into buying additional keys to unlock all their extra boxes. Even if they limited it to one guaranteed key drop from each world boss per day, I think that would have been a far better arrangement than it is now.
 
Unfortunately, I assumed wrongly and hence the great disappointment. Here's hoping the next event proves a bit more in the player's favor.	
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			this isn't even a carrot on a stick, this is a turd on a stick.	
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			Basically the source of all disappointment is the terrible wording on the article. Who wrote these articles? Their lawyers?	
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I think the devs should look at least at STO for some ideas in events at least there you have a winter event where you have to grind for it, but at the end you get a good prize (in this case a ship) Now if you want to finish the "grinding earlier" you can buy certain item in the cash shop that helps you finish the event earlier, you want the shinny put up the money. You know what you spend your money for and what you are going to get, here you are paying for a chance after  having to battle the boss, wow, I can obtain better stuff in the cash shop without chasing the boss and without buying keys.
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Oh and you were doing SO WELL this morning.
 
Then you said this.  :lol: ;)
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Basically the source of all disappointment is the terrible wording on the article. Who wrote these articles? Their lawyers?
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I don't know what else to say really, I'm just disappointed Carbine...
Folks really need to work on communication.
 
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I take total and absolute responsibility for this problem, you see I used to play SWTOR and the boxes started when I started to play there, things got really bad so I move to STO and the lock boxes flourished in STO so I decided to move away from the "Curse of the lock box", so I found this little paradise, and I started to play for 1 week now and I am thinking I did it, I managed to break the curse and I saw this event and I shouted to the top of my LUNGS< YES> YES I finally found it, but then I heard a crackling laugh that only could come from the evil pits of the Inferno of the lock boxes and here you have it, just blame me, I am the guy who you see every summer in the middle of the afternoon walking on the streets wearing a rain jacket.
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Not that I entirely blame you folks (I also didn't fully understand the rather poor wording), but I think the reasonable indignation here is causing some unreasonable reactions. I'll play devil's advocate for a minute and try to nuance this so there's more awareness of what's going on here.
 
1. Ignore the keys. This event starts all WBs with 40/75 particles and motivates players to get out there and create trains. I started about 40 minutes ago and there are now 80 Dominion players beside me... at 10:40am EST. This means two things: First, we're able to farm WBs way, way faster and more efficiently (our group has been nonstop chain-pulling since I joined), which means more of the various rewards WBs naturally drop. This might not mean much to some of you who have already farmed them to death, but it's a huge boon to folks who haven't done that. It also means that this event is promoting in-game activity... which is probably the number one priority right now.
 
2. Take a look at the key situation, but ignore the disappointment due to wording. The reality here is that if you're willing to spend app. $8 you will get 9 keys, which gives you a solid chance of getting at least a couple of cool drops— and if you don't get exactly what you want, you do seem able to trade items (I saw folks selling the Lopp Hunter). While I agree that the RNG part sucks, that's not bad value considering most people view an appropriate price for a mount to be about $12-15 BOA. Further, the keys ~can~ be bought with omnibits... so all this talk of forcing us into the cash shop is a little less offensive when you consider that cash shop does not necessarily mean real money.
 
3. This really doesn't strike me as some big event that demands so much sharp criticism. They describe it as a challenge and it lasts only a few days... I'm sure it's not some big thing that took any large amount of development time. It's also on the tails of a pretty well received holiday event and is followed by another event that allows more player discretion (spending cards on items directly) as well as focusing on small group content that doesn't entail lag. So this is a pretty small drop in the pond. Why then is this simple thing being attacked like it's representative of the soul of every member of Carbine's staff? :P
 
4. As I mentioned to some folks in WSRP the other day, look, F2P sucks. It's sucky and almost no one wants it, but it's here. That said, think about how much content we're getting now versus last year at the same time. It might not be great stuff— at least not every thing they test out is working well— but we're still in a transitional phase and that will continue for the next 8 months I'm sure. So while it's certainly useful to criticize and push for a better game, I do think there needs to be less tunnel vision and more awareness of the big picture. I clearly remember, not so long ago, waiting 4+ months to get ~anything~ new in the game. And while we very much need more fun gameplay and new content, at this point I would say that these F2P events have given us significantly more opportunity to get cosmetics (especially decor) than many full content drops of the past.
 
 
So not to *cupcake* people off or anything, but from my view, this is not a big deal at all. If you think it's indicative of some horrible diving point where the game goes super greed, consider that it's still way above the level of SWTOR, and it's really not that bad if you don't get upset about the things you don't like, which... well, there are ~always~ going to be aspects of F2P you don't like, as I mentioned.
 
The bosses are laggy and the drops are RNG, sure. So ignore it and move on and accept that it's still better than the nothing at all we had for months at a time last year, or get what you can out of it. Socialize a bit and trade with others. In less than an hour I've picked up 10 loot boxes from bosses and 10 shiny tokens, which to me is a pretty damn good amount of reward for the effort I've put in.
 
As to how fun it all is? Eh. I've thought a lot of the non-core gameplay in MMOs has been stale for years now, mostly because it's very much "been there" for many of us. So I don't think Carbine should suffer ~too much~ criticism on that point. :P
 
 
TLDR: View this as nothing more than accelerated WB farms and you stand to gain more and be a happier person in general xD  Until we see unusually long stretches between drops or notably poor quality from those drops, I don't think the game and Carbine should suffer so much unhappiness and contempt for their F2P, non-drop events.
			
				
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2. Take a look at the key situation, but ignore the disappointment due to wording. The reality here is that if you're willing to spend app. $8 you will get 9 keys, which gives you a solid chance of getting at least a couple of cool drops— and if you don't get exactly what you want, you do seem able to trade items (I saw folks selling the Lopp Hunter). While I agree that the RNG part sucks, that's not bad value considering most people view an appropriate price for a mount to be about $12-15 BOA. Further, the keys ~can~ be bought with omnibits... so all this talk of forcing us into the cash shop is a little less offensive when you consider that cash shop does not necessarily mean real money.
 
 
TLDR: View this as nothing more than accelerated WB farms and you stand to gain more and be a happier person in general xD
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TLDA= Too Long, Dont Agree.
 
You have to come and spoil the fun we are having ranting about the event, now you have to come and input some positive stuff, now you did it, mister. :)	
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You and your logic! :P
 
I haven't done anything with this event yet (I will in a few hours), but it's kinda hard to ignore the main source of disappointment.... which was the misleading phrasing that led people to think they are getting free casino tokens for slot machines for 3 days. But yes, remove that one sentence from the promotion, this event "ain't so bad".... especially when I have enough tokens to spawn 4 bosses on my own. :ph34r:
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I keep reading the sentence and I still fail to see how it's poor wording:
 
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they have a 100% chance to drop a new Shiny Token you can turn in at a vendor in your capital city, along with a lockbox key (normally only available for purchase from the In-Game Store for NCoin or OmniBits). 
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During the Boss Hunter Challenge, every time you or your party slays a World Boss or Legendary Champion, they have a 100% chance to drop a new Shiny Token you can turn in at a vendor in your capital city, along with a lockbox key (normally only available for purchase from the In-Game Store for NCoin or OmniBits). 
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The wording was bad.
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The wording was bad. But I didn't really think they would create an event just to give us free mounts, dyes, pets, etc, AND give us free keys from the cash shop, all for nothing more than the pretty brainlessly easy WB kills.
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Come on now Tex, you get 'disgusted' quite often. :P  Plus you were just talking in the MC thread earlier this week about how you're bored and ready to leave... pretty sure some of that is spilling over to create a 'justified exit' motivation.
 
Not that I blame you, I've been there before. But the wording of folks criticizing this thing is just as bad as the wording used to describe it. People are stirring up a shitstorm over the smallest 'event' we've seen to date...
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I'm also going to point out as a writer of some sixteen years, an English major, and a current student of linguistics/ESL (which you may disregard as you please): 
 
 
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they have a 100% chance to drop a new Shiny Token you can turn in at a vendor in your capital city, along with a lockbox key (normally only available for purchase from the In-Game Store for NCoin or OmniBits)
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Good news is, they're tradeable and those purple protostar bags we get on our chars have one key in them when you reach 50.  Bad news is I only have one lvl 50 alt LOL
 
I think the main part that's tripping people up in that is: "along with a lockbox key (normally only available for purchase from the In-Game Store for NCoin or OmniBits)". 
			
				
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You have to -pay- them to receive the event rewards.  One more time: You have to pay them, with RL funds, for the event specific rewards.
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I'm also going to point out as a writer of some sixteen years, an English major, and a current student of linguistics/ESL (which you may disregard as you please): 
^ this is ~not~ horribly misleading. It's poorly worded because it creates the possibility of a misapprehension of what's going on. But it is worded "turn in at your vendor in your capital city, along with a  lockbox key"... NOT.... "turn in at your vendor in your capital city and get a reward along with a lockbox key".
 
 It's ~just as likely~ that this means you need a key to be turned in with the lockbox.
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Actually, I was looking for a reason TO STAY, Espy.
 
And when I get disgusted at poor business practices, I'm going to say something, whether you, Crabine or ANYONE likes it.
 
I've been a professional marketing and advertising executive since the early mid-90's. I do this kind of thing for a living. I know crummy business practices when I see it - and you can bet your booties I'm going to call it like I sees it.
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Good news is, they're tradeable and those purple protostar bags we get on our chars have one key in them when you reach 50.  Bad news is I only have one lvl 50 alt LOL
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But you don't, John... You don't "have" to do anything, and you don't have to pay with RL funds. :P  It may seem like a small detail but the existence of omnibits does nuance the situation.
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It is the "normally only available" part that is the issue as that is insinuating that there is another means you will be obtaining the keys from.   
 
But I think we have done this rodeo before and im not going to go around in the same loop like happened last time. I know you will have some convoluted response justifying what is going on and in the end I will have to agree to disagree with your opinion as it is not going to change how I and as I see in this thread some others feel about the event.
 
I am glad your having fun but I think it could have been done alot better.  
 
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Also just hugely disappointed here. Was really looking forward to it. Logged in and out again for daily reward because of this completely ruining my mood for WS.
 
 
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Shiny Token you can turn in at a vendor in your capital city, along with a lockbox key (normally only available for purchase from the In-Game Store for NCoin or OmniBits).
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How many omnibits do you actually have left?  All of mine, every last one of them are earmarked for that other heinous currency known as Service Tokens because I need those so that I can rune my gear without draining my IG funds (thanks to RNG!).  Even if I saved them all I would run out of Omnibits far faster than I would accumulate these awards-for-sale.
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meh w/e.
 
Whelp, the only reason I would have done the WB and LC was for the key, but now I know I don't have to suffer through crappy performance and disconnects because of them :D
			
				
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I don't recall ~ever~ having had a debate with you before, and in fact have rarely posted on the non-Housing forums lately. You likely have me confused with someone else.
 
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See, this is what I'm talking about, haha.
 
I don't recall ~ever~ having had a debate with you before, and in fact have rarely posted on the non-Housing forums lately. You likely have me confused with someone else.
 
People don't have to change how they feel about the event, but if you're unwilling to consider my points or provide rebuttals, then I would say continue doing your thing under a blanket...
 
I'm not really having fun with the event, as I've already pointed out. My purpose here is to draw attention to elements of the situation players may be overlooking, or suss out their weak claims.
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The promotion says: You can turn in Shiny Tokens for Lucky Lopp Lockboxes, which have a chance to contain the following goodies: 
 
 
 
 
screenshot before they can edit words on website :P
 
It doesn't say turn in 1 Shiny Token PLUS 1 Key for each Lucky Lopp Lockbox.
 
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Every retailer knows the pain of having the wrong information printed on their advertisement heh.
 
{if they must keep the RNG factor} I thought they would have different tier of boxes. Green box, blue box, purple box, orange box. Priced the token cost for each tier of boxes accordingly. Make items tradeable just like in Space Chase. But hey, I even didnt know there's a chance of getting junk like crafting materials from those boxes until someone mentioned it!
 
The people who don't want to farm WB, or don't have time to, can buy key from the cash shop to open the boxes. Have shop-exclusive items just like all other events - that's fair.	
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HAHAHAH. Well, you and Yasfan both use human female avatars ... so ....  :lol: :lol: ;)
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oi oi oi stop derailing the thread.
We're all here with our pitch forks to take down this evil event.	
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It must have been a different Esper who quoted me and responded to me a couple of times regarding the space decor rng boxes. Although I can see how forgettable I might have been as you were too busy having a back and forth debate with Naunet at the time also. This time I made sure not to make use of the word fleeced as I forgot how people can get caught up in semantics when you voice an opinion on forums.
 
I shall go back to being under my blanket as you put it which is a bonus as its really cold here. There is no point providing rebuttals as you say because I doubt anything I write will suddenly give you an epiphany and change your mind therefore the logical outcome is to agree to disagree on the matter. 
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Understandable, and I spent mine recently with Winterfest and Space Chase so yea, I'm out. :P  I'm not trying to argue that omnibits are a great way of getting the keys, just that they do indeed exist and absolute claims that disregard them aren't really factual.
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If you guys think this measly little event is so bad, I don't know how you would respond to many of the other F2P models out there that are worse than WS.
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Adding "or the miserly trickle of omnibits" to every sentence would get onerous.  IMO my statement is close enough to the truth that I will not give them a free pass on that.  This has exceeded my cash-grab pain tolerance.
 
This particular move is just so far over the line.  When F2P launched the cash shop tactics were minor and they really did seem to want to respect their players.  Since then that attitude has decayed (zTrix hoverboard, stupidly overpriced mount reskins) and has rotted into pure contempt.  This has played out in other MMO's with disastrous effect to their reputations.
 
I'm hoping they have an epiphany that this won't fly.  Unfortunately it seems when it comes to these things that one must speak with their wallet. I was planning on keeping the sub once my CREDD ran out.  Oh well.
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Oh, that's easy.
 
I don't play those games.
 
I am 100% certain that is not Crabine's motivation here.  :lol:
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What you are asking is "Why don't we just shut up and accept whatever horrible business practices are given you?"
 
That is not how change is made. That's not how a company (especially a struggling one) learns from it's mistakes. That's not how to properly affect the change you want to see.
 
You are doing the same thing, with that attitude, that the Uber-Leets and Mega-Hardcores did to the casual playerbase after first launch. "Let them make the game they want!" "This game isn't going to change, so just shut up and/or leave!"
 
And I don't think I have to point out EXACTLY what that attitude did for the player base. In fact, it's safe to say the only reason we are having THIS discussion is because players did exactly what you suggested over a year ago.
			
				
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I feel that regardless of whether people feel it is "poor wording" or "departments not talking to each other", it all comes down to Carbine having this terrible habit of miscommunication to the player base for key(pun not intended) points. They've been called out on it many times in the past(even early P2P) and it usually leads to discussions like this happening sadly. This in turn leads to further interpretations by those affected by it ranging from simple sigh to accusations of fraud(while no one so far has done it here, I can guarantee you there is someone out the screaming bait and switch and contemplating contacting the BBB). It displays a lack of organization in which the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and it gets frustrating to watch happen.
 
For people in my circle they read the article as getting the keys and tokens from bosses and champs and we were going to make it a bit fun in avoiding the WB train(two of their computers are potatoes and can't handle big boss fights) by hunting down champs. We still might do it and just wait for keys to go on sale, but I know those that raid most likely won't be using their omnibits as they prefer to get service tokens for their runes.
 
Me personally I actually don't mind RNG boxes, but I refuse to deal with RNG boxes that are poorly done. If it was free I wouldn't care, but since I have to spend either real money or omnibits and theres a pretty good chance I'll get crap I'm gonna pass...
 
I'm not sure if I can explain it all that well, but I'm not even upset about the RNG boxes. While they could be better handled, it's not where my primary frustration stems from. It comes from me telling friends and family that "hey theres this cool event/promotion going on check it out" and they read it, they get hyped and even consider coming back to play again if they aren't already. However then what they read, see, or understand isn't what it was and they get pissed and it leaves a sour taste in their mouth. That sourness then spreads and I feel like a fool for trying to be like "hey guys! come have some fun!"...maybe I'm weird in feeling disappointed over that, but it seems to happen a lot. As much as I love wildstar it just....ugh...
 
Anyway that's just my scattered feelings on it	
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If you guys think this measly little event is so bad, I don't know how you would respond to many of the other F2P models out there that are worse than WS.
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This is part of my problem, I believe you're more concerned with exaggerating the situation than fixing it. "Shut up" and "horrible business practices" are ~your~ subjective interpretations but you're all-too-comfortable projecting them on others. I don't think I wrote anything so rude as "shut up". What I am ~very directly~ writing to you is this: If you think this little event, a drop in the ocean, is "disgusting", if you "feel sick", if you believe we're seeing "horrible business practices", then why are you here? What will it take to make you leave and not spread so much disdain over small beans like the Monster Hunter Challenge? Does WS have to violate your wife's honour or something? :PI don't want any of you to leave because I agree with most of what you write on these forums (just like I agree that this event is pretty meh overall and that RNG is bad news). And I think several of the people in this thread are community-minded and help support the game. But I also don't want you to stay and drip venom on the forums using such strong words to describe emotions... when you could be using more even language to express logic. I just don't understand. Especially with you, Tex, who are like me in that you get really worked up when something you don't like comes down the pipe. :P  I've seen it a bunch of times already. One minute it's hey there's Tex the community builder, the next minute it's hey there's Tex with his pitchfork at the gates...
 
Maybe we're just going to disagree on what's helpful in this context? From my position, which touches on both sides, spreading negative emotion through words is always more harmful than helpful. I highly doubt the folks at Carbine are going to read these threads and think "Wow, he's really pissed off, maybe we should change things". I think it's more likely that they will review the amount of money made and a summary of opinions. The vehemence with which those opinions are worded probably counts for nothing at all.	
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Anyway that's just my scattered feelings on it
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			So all this "event" does is try to get people to buy lockbox keys and doesn't do anything else? Seriously carbine? I know you want to make money but maybe its time to stop rehashing the same stuff and trying to milk it some more. Putting up a post giving the idea you can actually gain something from an event.. turns out it only a try at making money event with absolutely nothing new for the players  :(
			
				
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So all this "event" does is try to get people to buy lockbox keys and doesn't do anything else? Seriously carbine? I know you want to make money but maybe its time to stop rehashing the same stuff and trying to milk it some more. Putting up a post giving the idea you can actually gain something from an event.. turns out it only a try at making money event with absolutely nothing new for the players  :(
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For the record, Tex the Community Builder is the same as Tex the Pitchfork Holder. :lol:
 
I am one of a few long-time fanboys (and fangirls) who can both love the game, appreciate the studio and strive for a better community *AND* stand at the gates, pitchfork in hand, ready to skewer things when I think they're wrong, messed up or out of hand.
 
I have been a part of several niche-game communities over the years (as well as the RP-PVP section of WoW) and I can safely say that a REAL FAN, someone who truly loves the property with all their heart, will never, ever simply sit idly by and accept mis-steps, error or pure greed starts discoloring the game we love.
 
That is real devotion. Not just taking what we're given. Not just accepting what we see as awful business practices. Not just packing up and leaving when we don't like something petty.This thread has been going on long enough now that a Carbine Rep *could* and *should* have already come in here with more than just a clarification and half-hearted "sorry for the confusion" copy-pasta from the last five times something like this has happened.	
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I think they've been fair with F2P so far, and have several times attempted to compromise with criticisms.
 
...
 
If you guys think this measly little event is so bad, I don't know how you would respond to many of the other F2P models out there that are worse than WS.
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My wife did a few of them today and sold the drops for 40G apiece. I guess someone is willing to buy the keys . . .
 
I can't imagine this market will stay that high . . .	
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			My mind can only muster a few words to reflect on how I feel about this "event": off, crap, rip, bull. Take them as you will.	
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I quit SWTOR just before GSF dropped over their Cartel Market and them putting every Life Day event item on it the first year. I also couldn't stand the fact that every new mount, pet, emote and armor model came from the gambling boxes. I returned for RotHC expansion but eventually left again during the content drought before SoR. I resubbed last summer when they announced KOTFE and the sub rewards program. Once I realized how crappy the new content paradigm was over there, I stopped playing. They have a livestream planned next week and the contents of that will determine if I cancel or not. A SP RPG is not worth a sub fee and that's what KOTFE is.
 
I dropped $70 on the collector's edition of Skyforge last fall and started getting into that game until the first event dropped. It was pure p2w bullshit. I stuck it out until the second event due to the dev's insistence that they heard us loud and clear about our displeasure with the event and, lo and behold, the same p2w bullshit happened again. I haven't logged in since, leaving my 25k argents just sitting there doing nothing.
 
This event sounded quite fun and I was actually going to stop playing completionist and speedlevel my toon to 50 to participate in it. However, the necessity of the cash shop item to gain the rewards means NOPE. I'm not quitting the game, though. Not yet. Carbine has a chance to right this wrong to get my sub fee after the 30 days I got with the box purchase runs out.
 
I do not mind pay for convenience items. I'll even buy some of them once in a while. Cosmetics and mounts? Completely cool with those so long as there is still cool stuff to earn by playing and don't become something you can only get on the shop like SWTOR has done. However, when you require a cash shop purchase to even participate in an event, that crosses the line. I will not support a monetization model like that with a sub fee. Please, do not repeat this mistake again. I actually really like this game but I will abandon ship if you go full-retard with the cash shop.	
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and https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/148707-boss-hunter-challenge/?p=1477999 is happening. 
World Bosses are not even playable.
 
GG Carbine.
 
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Please be more accurate next time. Spent couple of hours doing the slideshow (killing world bosses) only to come to the trader and see that lucky boxes require a key also. Quote from the site: "
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Carbine needs to word things better.  FAR better.
 
Tera has a... tolerable... line they toe: they sell boxes that contain a slightly random amount of a SPECIFIC item.  Buy a number, and get a pile of the things you need for gear.  Or cosmetic boxes that range from random crap to valuable items to auction for money, or use.
 
Difference between that and this event?  THEY TELL IT LIKE IT IS.  "A chance for X item."
 
None of this implying that lockbox keys (normally sold for cash or omni)... normally what?  This IS normally, why would they SAY that?
 
Crabine royally screwed the pooch wording the article.  This is, what, MOST OF ONE PERSONS JOB?  How can you possibly screw this up?  Welp, ask the person who wrote http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2016-01-05-boss-hunter-challenge/
 
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During the Boss Hunter Challenge, every time you or your party slays a World Boss or Legendary Champion, they have a 100% chance to drop a new Shiny Token you can turn in at a vendor in your capital city, along with a lockbox key (normally only available for purchase from the In-Game Store for NCoin or OmniBits). Normal creatures you find throughout the overworld of Nexus have a small chance to drop a Shiny Token as well, so it’ll pay to get some other questing done during the event, too.
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Wow. This "event" is pretty much the worst thing I've seen from an F2P mmo.
 
Not gonna bother to elaborate, since it's all been said already, but this made me take one hell of a step towards leaving.	
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My wishful hope is this: some 'bean counters' complained at Carbine about how their events are 'way too generous' and how they aren't 'getting as much money as they could be making'. So Carbine told them "Fine then. YOU design an event that will give us more money than our older events, bean counters. We'll implement them no matter what you design."
And the bean counters, having no clue about the game or its players, designed this. Carbine implemented it in the hopes that it will tank so so hard that the bean counters have to go back to their corner and stop bothering them about not 'making as much money as possible'. 
 
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This is part of my problem, I believe you're more concerned with exaggerating the situation than fixing it. "Shut up" and "horrible business practices" are ~your~ subjective interpretations but you're all-too-comfortable projecting them on others. I don't think I wrote anything so rude as "shut up". What I am ~very directly~ writing to you is this: If you think this little event, a drop in the ocean, is "disgusting", if you "feel sick", if you believe we're seeing "horrible business practices", then why are you here? What will it take to make you leave and not spread so much disdain over small beans like the Monster Hunter Challenge? Does WS have to violate your wife's honour or something? :P
 
I don't want any of you to leave because I agree with most of what you write on these forums (just like I agree that this event is pretty meh overall and that RNG is bad news). And I think several of the people in this thread are community-minded and help support the game. But I also don't want you to stay and drip venom on the forums using such strong words to describe emotions... when you could be using more even language to express logic. I just don't understand. Especially with you, Tex, who are like me in that you get really worked up when something you don't like comes down the pipe. :P  I've seen it a bunch of times already. One minute it's hey there's Tex the community builder, the next minute it's hey there's Tex with his pitchfork at the gates...
 
Maybe we're just going to disagree on what's helpful in this context? From my position, which touches on both sides, spreading negative emotion through words is always more harmful than helpful. I highly doubt the folks at Carbine are going to read these threads and think "Wow, he's really pissed off, maybe we should change things". I think it's more likely that they will review the amount of money made and a summary of opinions. The vehemence with which those opinions are worded probably counts for nothing at all.
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and https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/148707-boss-hunter-challenge/?p=1477999 is happening. 
World Bosses are not even playable.
 
GG Carbine.
 
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			Has Carbine been taking lessons from PWE/Cryptic? I personally hate lockboxes but they obviously account for a large portion of the income for games or they wouldn't implement them as much as they do, which makes me very sad.	
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No one is required to purchase the lockboxes. Don't purchase them if you don't want to. 
 
Last week world bosses took 75 particles, now they 35. Just run with it. 
 
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Amused cupcake is amused at your own contradictions in your posting.  You actually made me respond directly to another player on these forums for the first time in about a month so kudos on that.
Nobody is going to leave because you say so.  It is NOT your job to defend terrible business practices or to tell others what games they should or should not play, PERIOD.
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No one is required to purchase the lockboxes. Don't purchase them if you don't want to. 
 
Last week world bosses took 75 particles, now they 35. Just run with it. 
 
Being butt hurt because Carbine implements an event that you are not required to participate in is ridiculous. 
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Did you check my post I linked for a possible fix on DC'ing during World Boss fights?
 
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/148716-disconnected-reason-10-fix/
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Appreciate the effort, but I have written a complete guide on handling connection issues with Wildstar here: https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/129422-sorting-out-your-latency-in-wildstar/
And trust me when I say that the problem is not our connection.
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This event is still bullshit though, making players pay money or a money-equivalent to unlock the rewards they earned.
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"earned"
 
Showed up for a 2 minute world boss kill, could literally stand there doing nothing and still receive credit
 
Such injustice in the world of gaming
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It's a reward for playing the game. One that under normal circumstances will involve using real world money to use. That's the point.
 
I understand you are trying to temper this, but it's not overblown to be upset by this concept. It's already something that's been an issue with rune slots in gear. Don't tie rewards for playing the game with unlocks I need to purchase. It's manipulative and gross.
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Actually, the guy who wrote  "*cupcake*you Carbine" several times in his post provided really good feedback for Carbine. Because I think it's how a lot of people feel about this. And if they don't know it, they can't respond to it.
 
I'm not a big fan of acting immaturely, and I always do try to take the high ground. But there is a place for unfettered feelings to come out too. That post came off that way to me more than it did of immaturity.
 
YMMV, but Carbine should know that he's not the only one who feels that way. And if something you do in a game evokes such a response, it's really time to re-consider how you are doing things.	
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Actually, the guy who wrote  "*cupcake*you Carbine" several times in his post provided really good feedback for Carbine. Because I think it's how a lot of people feel about this. And if they don't know it, they can't respond to it.
 
I'm not a big fan of acting immaturely, and I always do try to take the high ground. But there is a place for unfettered feelings to come out too. That post came off that way to me more than it did of immaturity.
 
YMMV, but Carbine should know that he's not the only one who feels that way. And if something you do in a game evokes such a response, it's really time to re-consider how you are doing things.
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I think that if something in a video game evokes such a response, it's time to check what's important in life and why you're getting so bent out of shape over a petty event in a struggling MMO. :P
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You are trying to counter someone's argument by shaming them for feeling strongly about their position, and that's not cool.
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How people feel about this is important. People chose to play and support the game based on how they feel, not what they think.
 
And you do not get to decide if someone's feelings are "overblown". They are what they are. It may not be a big deal to you, but you don't get to decide that for everyone else.
 
If I were Carbine, I'd sure want to know if a decision I made cause people to be angry at me.
 
To be true, I think there is hardly ever a context where cursing at someone is a good way to communicate, but if I were Carbkne I wouldn't lable it as useless. There's a reason a person was motivated to extreme language, appropriate or not.
 
As for the "why", I've been quite clear. Trying rewards earned in game to real world money is a nonstarter for me. I'm guessing in not alone.
			
				
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I'm not deciding for everyone else, I'm deciding for myself and sharing that decision. You'd do well to stop insinuating that my own expression of opinion is an attempt to validate my words as gospel truth. ;)   This is just like the weak criticism FantasticCupcake threw at me. Sorry but I'm not buying it, we're all here giving opinions and this is a cop-out.
 
And as to the reason the person was motivated to write "*cupcake* you" when basically no one else did, if I were Carbine, I would think it's just as likely that that person lacks self-control and/or respect as I would that they have something reasonable and worthwhile to say.	
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https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/148752-will-there-be-a-sale-on-keys/&do=findComment&comment=1478436 ? 
 
Because I'm standing behind THAT F-you to Carbine.  Just in general.
The intro article is badly worded.  They take the time to say keys are "normally only available..." when that REMAINS the only way to get keys.  WHY?
The event offers loot boxes.  And then hides the loot boxes behind the cash shop.
Going by that post that I linked, the loot tables aren't even decent.
It's like they made the event, made the loot boxes, then some bean counter said "oh yeah, we want to sell more keys, add keys to the loot boxes so the players buy them too."  It's a massive "f-you" to the players.  And if you sit back and allow it, and buy the thing they want, they'll DO IT AGAIN.
 
So don't.  Let them know you're unhappy with an event.  Most importantly, let them know WHY you're unhappy, and what you're unhappy with.  And then, do not buy a single lockbox key.  If you're really unhappy, cancel a sub.  If you're REALLY REALLY unhappy, stop logging in and doing the event.
 
I'll probably just kill some WBs and toss the shiny tokens, myself.	
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I'm not deciding for everyone else, I'm deciding for myself and sharing that decision. You'd do well to stop insinuating that my own expression of opinion is an attempt to validate my words as gospel truth. ;)
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			Wait, so the "*cupcake* you!!" post wasn't even in this particular thread???  (it's funny, the only posts so far in this thread that has had a *cupcake* censor action was Esper's :P )
			
				
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You can't call other people's opinions "overblown" and then claim you are just deciding that for yourself.
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Ugh. Nevermind.
 
Not worth it.
			
				
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			You've voiced you opinion Esper, now please stop replying to every single post and let people voice their opinions. Thank you.	
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Sorry, but are you trying to hijack this thread to make it about your victimized self and your victimized (but ultimately totally righteous) opinions so that people stumbling into this thread have an higher chance at not noticing that a lot of the posters disliked the event? Because that's what it looks like you are doing.
 
Also: way to bloat the page number. If you guys go long enough, it will look like there was A LOT MORE feedback than there really was, when in reality we'll have a few pages of criticism to the criticism that isn't what this thread was about at all.
			
				
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Wait, so the "*cupcake* you!!" post wasn't even in this particular thread???  (ironically enough, the only posts so far in this thread that has had a *cupcake* censor action was Esper's :P )
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Ugh. Nevermind.
 
Not worth it.
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You've voiced you opinion Esper, now please stop replying to every single post and let people voice their opinions. Thank you.
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			It's just the way you are lumping us all together, and since I hadn't seen that other thread I thought you were getting on all of our cases for just one person in this thread acting out like that, is all. It just seemed a bit  :wacko:  :blink:  to me to bring up something from another thread(without actually saying you're talking about a post from another thread) to get after the people posting here for something we aren't doing.  With the exception of a few (obviously) sarcastic filled posts in this thread here, most everyone has given clear posts on what is upsetting them.  Yes, they are emotion filled/fueled, but they aren't incoherent rants with no point, it is quite clear what is being criticized and why.  IMNSHO, I think you are just looking for a fight, and the more you post the more firm I become in that not so humble opinion.	
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So let's see:
 
I'm not allowed to voice my opinion of others' opinions without simultaneously believing my opinion is objective truth. I'm not allowed to voice an opinion without that opinion automatically carrying the extra connotation that I'm deciding something ~for other people~.
 
That is ridiculous, sorry. I could easily flip that and claim that you're deciding for me right now. Then what would become of the world when no one's allowed to criticize criticism?
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I'm telling people what I think is a better way to approach criticism. If you don't like my conception of good criticsm then you're free to criticize it or ignore it.
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I'm not replying to every single post, I'm replying to posts I feel are weak or posts that address me/my words.
 
More fallacious comments. Maybe I should also complain that you're now telling me what to do? ;)
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Sorry, but are you trying to hijack this thread to make it about your victimized self and your victimized (but ultimately totally righteous) opinions so that people stumbling into this thread have an higher chance at not noticing that a lot of the posters disliked the event? Because that's what it looks like you are doing.
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			The problem is that nothing of this is feedback about the Boss Challenge event. It's feedback abou the feedback. Or, even worse, it's about EsperXIV. You are just bloating the page number with an inconsequential discussion that has nothing to do with the event itself. It's bollocks to continue at it for so long in this thread if what you want is to criticize the feedback in general or in particular cases or particular persons.
			
				
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It's just the way you are lumping us all together, and since I hadn't seen that other thread I thought you were getting on all of our cases for just one person in this thread acting out like that, is all. It just seemed a bit  :wacko:  :blink:  to me to bring up something from another thread(without actually saying you're talking about a post from another thread) to get after the people posting here for something we aren't doing.  With the exception of a few (obviously) sarcastic filled posts in this thread here, most everyone has given clear posts on what is upsetting them.  Yes, they are emotion filled/fueled, but they aren't incoherent rants with no point, it is quite clear what is being criticized and why.  IMNSHO, I think you are just looking for a fight, and the more you post the more firm I become in that not so humble opinion.
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The problem is that nothing of this is feedback about the Boss Challenge event. It's feedback abou the feedback. Or, even worse, it's about EsperXIV. You are just bloating the page number with an inconsequential discussion that has nothing to do with the event itself. It's bollocks to continue at it for so long in this thread if what you want is to criticize the feedback in general or in particular cases or particular persons.
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The irony is, by trying to change the way others criticize, you've galvanized emotions so the presentation in this thread is even stronger than it was originally.
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Exactly this.
 
As someone who is generally opposed to being told what to think, I wasn't NEARLY as bothered about this event (was just going to skip it) until I was told (repeatedly) that my feelings were "weak" and "exaggerated".
 
Now I am so freaking dead-set against this horseshit that I might just take my ball and go purchase an advance copy of Blade & Soul (or other game) out of pure spite.
 
I was ticked before. Now I have reached pure, unbridled disgust.
 
There is really only one reason why my attitude went from bad to worse.
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It's sad to see that someone calmly presenting a contrary opinion has caused you to give up rationality. Not only are you so bothered by being criticized that you feel more hostile toward the event (which is unfair), you're casually describing that unfairness as though it's no big deal, and then conclude with an implication that I'm responsible for your irrationality. 
 
If you can't control yourself or your emotions in the face of criticism, how do you expect Carbine to handle it?
 
Huh.
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Tex lemme know on which server you end up!
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I feel the same way about drama I ~am~ involved in. Being in the eye of the drama doesn't make it any less funny when you're on a forum. :P
 
The weirdest part of this situation is that many of the people arguing against me right now have themselves been accused of being whiteknights (probably countless times for Tex) because they attempted to present nuance or counter opinions, or guide discourse somewhere they thought would be more productive. :rolleyes:
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It's sad to see that someone calmly presenting a contrary opinion has caused you to give up rationality
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SO ANYWAY...
Based on observation and discussing with people I think this event boils down to this:
 
The Good:
It got people to go out into the world and fight world bosses or legendary champs
Some goodies can be gotten, people like goodies
cut in cost to summon bosses makes event appealing to those looking to just kill bosses for fun or farming
The Bad:
Miscommunication leading to players not understanding entirely how the event works and resulting in various degrees of disappointment,confusion, etc...because the initial wording.^In relation to above: What clarification that was given, is not in a prominent place or even edited into the original post(as of typing this anyway)
Some players not able to participate because the game client and or server does not take to well to having mass amounts of people in one location. Similar to initial SW contract days and such.
The structure of the RNG box is not favorable to some players and in turn they don't actually bother to try, but instead wish to simply kill the WBs for other reasons(basically makes farming easier)
^In relation to the above: The RNG box requires a key that is locked behind cash shop means of Omnibits and or Ncoin.
Also Tex, let me know what server you join too :)	
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Some goodies can be gotten, people like goodies
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Greetings everyone,
 
just a friendly reminder to keep things civil, discuss topics, not the posters, and to leave the PvP in the game.
 
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Are those goodies related to the event, or are those just the normal World Boss drops?
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Once again, you didn't "calmly present a contrary opinion". You told people that they were feeling too strongly about this, which is different from saying a different opinion.
 
It IS frustrating that doing so can cause people to lash out at the game, but it's not unexpected. It's human nature.
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So who gets to determine when whiteknighting is reasonable or not? What borders are reasonable? Am I being reasonable in questioning and criticizing certain responses here? Are you being reasonable when you do the same in other threads, or when certain people (who have also posted here) mock and deride posters in place of criticism?
 
Do you ever reap what you sow, Olivar?
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Our WhiteKnighting has it limits and borders.
This event pushed some of those borders.
Your posts pushed them even more.
You reap what you sow.
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nope, cause I don't care what others think of me, of my opinions or how they behave.
I read opinions, give mine in return and point out flaws in logic.
Whatever the reader does with that is up to him, doesn't interest me the slightest.
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			If we want to accept one good thing about the event, is the lower requeriment to summon the World Bosses. That farming was an uninteresting chore and cutting it in half was a wise choice. Too bad it will only last as long as the event does.	
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Even if overall, the event was disappointing, there are some bright sides to it. Normally, Legendary Champions have ridiculous spawn times so I've had a lot of trouble knocking them off of my achievement list. And for those that want the toys from these Champions, I can't imagine what they were going through before. They still might not luck out but at least they have a fighting chance during this event. I probably won't get all the Exotics I need, but I should be able to knock out at least one other zone. Another positive is this is helping gear new 50s with all the WB trains.
 
Even though I hated the Space Chase Crates, at least they gave you one of the event related items, unlike these Shiny Boxes (or whatever they are called). On a silly note, I plan to take a screenshot of the number of Shiny Tokens I got from this event that I'm just going to delete because I refuse to buy Lockbox keys. Might be fun to make a thread showing off (at least my) displeasure for this one part. I think I capped my Omni-Bits this week and spent them on a Holowardrobe unlock so no Lockbox key even with those.  :lol:
 
I really think this event would have been a lot better if you handled it like you did Double XP or Double Prestige ones. You can add new, limited time goodies to the store, but don't tie them to event participation and also don't make one of the only ways to get the rewards stuck behind a Cash Shop purchase. As disappointing as the mounts sold during Double Prestige were to some people, at least they weren't tied to RNG boxes with a small chance to get them. Personally, it sucked these weren't account bound, but I still fell in love with my Glitter Pony. I have no regrets shelling out money for that.	
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			It's bad that you have to buy keys to open the chests, but I really like this event, specifically the part with the legendary champions respawntimer reduced from 30 hours to 1 hour. And I especially like the the ones in wilderrun that for some reason drop 3-4 plat every time you kill them. I've earned almost 200 plat thanks to this wonderful event. ^_^	
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It's bad that you have to buy keys to open the chests, but I really like this event, specifically the part with the legendary champions respawntimer reduced from 30 hours to 1 hour. And I especially like the the ones in wilderrun that for some reason drop 3-4 plat every time you kill them. I've earned almost 200 plat thanks to this wonderful event. ^_^
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>>> TL;DR <<<
 
The NCsoft game Aion has had these lockboxes which require you to purchase keys to unlock said boxes in game and it's a success -however- unlike WildStar these keys you can sell in game (amazing help for those who need to boost in game currency but work full weeks and are unable to grind/raid to do so,) a good chunk of the items in the lockboxes can be purchased on the online store too, or in other limited time events, so it's not like it's a blind RNG lucky-dip like it is with this event and the most important part is the advertising for how these boxes work is crystal clear, you get a box but you need to pay money to open them, players know exactly how they work with zero confusion.
 
So unsure if Carbine is looking at the NCsoft Aion setup here (because keys for the Aion boxes are a popular store purchase) and just implemented it horribly wrong or if it's something contractually they need to try (as it's a money maker for NCsoft).... and still got it horribly wrong. Either way the wording on the event page is dreadful and I can only hope, as a sign of good faith, they bring out a cash shop box in the store where players can just buy and open with a chance to get the items (or make the dye/toy tradeable.)
 
Other then the mess with the keys this would have been a fun community event.... well fun for those who didn't have magic computers which turned into potatoes when more then 10 players are on the screen.
			
				
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Hi Everyone - 
 
We did make a mistake in the original news post, and we have updated it to reflect how the event actually works.
 
It's understandable that you would be upset, and we offer our apologies for the confusion it has caused. We're making adjustments so we don't make the same mistakes in the future.
 
Thanks again for your feedback, and for playing WildStar.
 
Cheers,
Team WildStar	
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Hi Everyone - 
 
We did make a mistake in the original news post, and we have updated it to reflect how the event actually works.
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Actually, you made more mistakes:
"You can turn in Shiny Tokens AND lockboxes keys for Lucky Lopp Lockboxes..."
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Hi Everyone - 
 
We did make a mistake in the original news post, and we have updated it to reflect how the event actually works.
It's understandable that you would be upset, and we offer our apologies for the confusion it has caused. We're making adjustments so we don't make the same mistakes in the future.
Thanks again for your feedback, and for playing WildStar.
 
Cheers,
Team WildStar
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I'm responding to people who respond to me, mostly. I left this thread until FantasticCupcake decided to make a post that was basically misrepresenting my intent (by making it seem like I want to force people to leave/won't let them have their say).
 
People ~are~ having their say, and I'm selectively addressing opinions I think are bogus or weak, not trying to stop them from having opinions. If you want to interpret that as looking for a fight, go ahead, it's your brain. But please think of this the next time we have a crop of complaints rise up against Carbine and any one of you tries to stem that tide with counterargument.
 
So yea, I'm going to keep responding as long as I feel like it, have time, and it remains civil. It's starting to tip away from civil.
 
You asked me nicely with an exaggeration. But aside from that, no, I'm not going to stop responding to people who are directly addressing me, or comments I think are weak.
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Thank you for the update and for acknowledging this issue.  Please make sure whoever is responsible for the intial misnomer gets a stern talking-to ;)
As long as players have accurate information on how things work, that is the most that we can ask.
 
Carbine and NcSoft are responsible for the monetization of this game (depending on the contractual arrangements).  So as players I hope we can let them suss it out and let our wallets do the talking.
I still feel that player feedback is valuable and I hope that in-game surveys can possibly become a thing.  We all know what happened with the last e-mail survey, heh.
 
Consider the in-game survey thing a wishlist if nothing else.  The most I am thankful for is open and honest communication from Carbine.  So thanks.
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First, I'm going to repeat what I just wrote in another thread: If you can't take criticism of your opinions, don't post on a public forum. And many of the people I criticized know that because they've done it to others as well. So remove stick from bum.
 
 
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I misrepresented your intent by directly quoting you and highlighting in bold the parts where you contradict yourself in telling people to leave and then saying you don't want people to leave?
Do you ever make up your mind?  Do you live in your own little world or something?
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no you're not.
You'll be back with another reply in a few posts.
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Correct but you misunderstood. I am done with FantasticCupcake. Sorry Olivar but I've got as much resilience as you do when it comes to being myself. :)
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Pantsless chua are always having fun, no? :P
 
On a brighter note, it seems we do indeed have something delicious coming Soon. I'm guessing it's neighbourhoods, the next raid, or chocolate raspberry icecream.
 
(scroll down)
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No, the wording was awful. It was purposefully misleading and nothing ANYONE says at this point can convince me otherwise.
 
And as I said, I don't begrudge them making money. Heck, the "Buy Keys to Open These Cool Boxes" bit doesn't really bug me. I "pay my way" monthly buy purchasing NCCoin in bulk, so I pretty much *always* need something to spend my money on.
 
But I am completely offended that every single reward is RANDOM. And it's not JUST random prizes. The good stuff is all mixed in WITH PURE CRAP.
 
As Ulf pointed out, he just "won" 5 Service Tokens for the SAME FREAKING PRICE THAT HE COULD HAVE BOUGHT SIXTY OF THEM.
 
That's so amazingly disgusting I can't even properly express how disgusted it makes me feel. I spend money (REAL MONEY - and I don't care how much) on one of these things and walk away with a single High Rune Fragment, I'll never darken the doors of this place again.
 
This its so true. I really don't want this to happen here -I came from a game where the marketing sistem where like that buy something in a box:you need a bread.. ,you don't know if you get the entire bread or just a small crumb: buy more boxes ,get 10 cakes -you still didn't got the bread you need for ...buy more boxes ,you get 15 crumbs ,one cake and a horsey fart..go buy more boxes..etc .Oh and every of their sale there in the game i came from were called events...and one mount would cost like you would buy a fridge in RL-because why not ,the fun has some price..Guess what? the big sharks there got bored to play alone and eventually stopped buying stuff,feeling alone prolly.I guess all the posts here demonstrate the players know already where the curve lean to. Please,no boxes and blind shopping in here Carbine ,some of us don't think it s fun.Its an awesome game -Keep it like that!
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This thread reminds me of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
 
I hope Carbine can show the bean-counters at NcSoft what that means.  Once many players leave they won't return and the replacements (if any) will also fail to stick around long-term.	
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This thread reminds me of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
 
I hope Carbine can show the bean-counters at NcSoft what that means.  Once many players leave they won't return and the replacements (if any) will also fail to stick around long-term.
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Hi Everyone - 
 
We did make a mistake in the original news post, and we have updated it to reflect how the event actually works.
It's understandable that you would be upset, and we offer our apologies for the confusion it has caused. We're making adjustments so we don't make the same mistakes in the future.
Thanks again for your feedback, and for playing WildStar.
 
Cheers,
Team WildStar
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