Earth-341/Ideas

rough outline:
== Universe Outline ==
* W0 (~5YBP)
** Fantastic Four, Vol. 1
*** early FF
**** wrestling? 
** The Hulk, Vol. 1
*** Starts with Bruce Banner becoming the Hulk...
*** book revolves around Bruce Banner trying to cure himself, Thaddeus Ross trying to repeat the experiment that made hulk, leading to a lot of mistakes like the Leader.
*** short story arc:
**** Hulk: The Gifted
***** vs Wolverine in a bar
*** the Leader offers to cure Bruce (Leader actually wants to siphon his strength), but in the end Rick convinces Bruce he can do more good than harm?
*** the Leader knows he can't defeat Hulk, so... he unleashes another villain?
**** A-Bomb?
**** Zzzax?
** X-Men: First Class, Vol. 1
*** story arcs
**** To Me, My X-Men
***** talks about the defeat of the first brotherhood
****first clash with the Sentinels and Trask
****Xavier is all like, the X-Men are going to be a co-op team, defeating Magneto and helping me coverup the existence of mutants
****second brotherhood
*****trying to defeat the bank robbers Unus and Vanisher
*****Mastermind is used to reawaken Quicksilver's memories, who remembers Wanda
******Wanda's mutation had manifested so she was taken by SHIELD instead of being allowed to immigrate
******Quicksilver wasn't allowed to emigrate either
*****meeting Lorna Dane/Polaris (who is Latina)
*****Brotherhood storm Alkali Lake
**** graduation
***** Beast leaves to work for the mysterious Essex Corp, where he invents MGH
**Thor Vol. 1 (anachronistic)
** Marvel Heroes, Vol. 1
*** The Iron Man
**** cold open: 10~ years ago in Sokovia, during a Sokovian-Latverian conflict, a Stark warhead detonates in the room of the Maximoff family
*** Saviors of the Free World - recaps Cap and Bucky vs the Red Skull and HYDRA
*** Nick Fury and the Agents of SHIELD - introduces SHIELD agents as they try to get the FF in their fold or otherwise just power up
**** sets up a Latverian political conflict?
**** Agent Jess Drew gets sent to Wundagore Mtn to Herbert Wyndham?
* TIME-SKIP....
* W1
** anachronistic - X-Men, First Class: Vol. 2: discusses the second brotherhood, and ends with the mission to Krakoa
** Marvel Heroes
*** The Hero of Modern America
**** Cap awakens in modern America
**** Fury pits Crossbones (or Task Master? or BW?) against Cap
** X-Men, Vol. 1: All-New, All-Different - Getting saved on Genosha
*** Cold open to the new X-Men squad (Forge, Storm, Colossus ... Jean?) heading to visit Xavier's old pal Banshee
*** The X-Men had been on Krakoa
*** rampage of Krakoa
**** Krakoa was the daughter of an ancient mutant named Grove (or something)
** The Hulk, Vol. 2
*** Rick Jones and Bruce Banner have been on the lam for about a year now, having joined up with a traveling circus.
*** leads to Arcade?
*** ends with SMASH arresting the carnival?
** Spider-Man, Vol. 1
*** vs Shocker
*** vs Sandman with Fantastic Four
*** Real Responsibility - vs Vulture
**Iron Man, Vol. 1
***IM vs maggia
***AIM and HYDRA are involved?
***creation of Living Laser?
***SHIELD steps in to help Iron Man?
**Thor Vol. 2
**FF v2
***what to do?
***early stories?
****could include wrestling with Johnny and Thing?
* W2
** Spider-Man vol 2?
*** could include "Spidey and His Amazing Friends", where Spider-Man takes Liz Allan/Firestar under his wing, but he doesn't know much about handling mutant things, so he gets Bobby Drake involved? so it's like three minor generations of heroes lmao
**** maybe Kitty Pryde is there? or move this to next volume?
***instead, this is cops and mafia? peaks with Daredevil?
**The Avengers, Vol. 1
***SMASH lures Hulk to New York
***Scott Lang steals the Ant-Man suit, and is imprisoned in 
***Beast is a govt liaison
***Thor is in New York?
***Tony Stark is sensitive about all of the negative press surrounding the Avengers, so he contracts the Genoshan engineer and media personality "Arcade" (met thru contacts in the Hellfire Club) to build a wild "game" that will cause the Avengers to look like heroes
****Arcade is defeated, but they can't arrest him due to his political status, and he returns to Genosha
****Machinesmith helps Arcade? so it's Cap's first confrontation w him?
**X-Men vol 2/3
***bifurcated:
****Cyclops, Wolverine, and Kitty head to the Brotherhood base
***meanwhile, the other mutants are sent to explore the Hellfire Club for information related to whatever happened in Genosha
***Rev Stryker has Xavier's son Legion - who has essentially fused with Moira's son Proteus - and has the powers of reality warping and power absorption. Rev Stryker has kidnapped the mutant Leech from NYC and is planning on "feeding" him to Legion, and tricking Legion into getting rid of all mutants we're keeping these ideas but moving them down
**Marvel Heroes
***Doctor Stephen Strange
**FF v3?
**X-Men, Vol. 2
***Russel Tresh and Stryker build Cerebra, trying to use it with Leech to nullify X-Men? like in X2 movie
*W3
**SM v3 - 
***Kraven and mutants
**Avengers, Vol. 2
***maggia
***Wonder Man?
**Avengers/X-Men Vol. 1
***Magneto attacks SHIELD
***Cyclops is like, ha! gotcha! and reveals he's 
**Attuma's Invasion
***Avengers, Vol. 3
***sees the Serpent Crown come to the surface world? setting the stage for the next Captain America stories and the Avengers chasing down the Maggia/Serpent Society and their ties to HYDRA?
***Captain America: War Stories
****Namor and Cap vs Meranno of the U-Men
***Fantastic Four -
***Spider-Man vs Hydro-Man - maybe Spider-Man needs some help from some scientists to save people in the seas, which takes him to his dad's old friends, Kurt Connors and Otto Octavius?
***could include the formation of The Defenders? Doc Strange frees + activates The Hulk, teams up with Namor.
**Doctor Strange Presents... History of the Marvel Universe, book 1
***call it Book of the Vishanti maybe?
***anyways, it covers the old gods war - 
****Satha/Set tries to take power and wipe infants humanity from the map
*****the Kree are here? or at least the Hive of the Inhumans is? and he teams up with Set - he'll help Set, but wants some of the humans to remain so he can lead them, and so Set grants him the Serpent Crown to lead humanity
****elder Gaia intervenes, and sicks her eternal son Atum on Satha
****eternal bastet is also involved, and tries to strike Satha down by hitting him with a meteor
****Satha corrupts Atum into a monster, but it backfires - he becomes the Demogorge. meanwhile, the rest of his godly power manifests as Ra. a similar split happens in Bast, becoming Bast (panther) and Sekhmet (lion), two splits of the same coin. 
****years later...
*****Ra incinerates Khonshu, and he revives as the true moon god.
*****bast leads bashenga to the vibranium comet, where he becomes the first black panther
*****(sets the stage for Killmonger - who can be an avatar of Sekhmet - and Black Panther vs Sun King and Moon Knight... basically adapting both the BP movie and the Ultimate Black Panther run)
***also maybe covers Chthon and his creation of the darkhold? 
*Thor vol 3 - Thor gets some of Gaia's power, and instead of repairing the Bifrost, uses it to empower the Valkyrior? 
**okay, maybe Thor seeks out Doctor Strange in New York? 
**Runa is empowered on Asgard? maybe she was the last living Valkyrie? the Valkyrie could have died taking down Lilith or something 
**who are the other Valkyrie?
***Brunnhilde? or maybe she's dead, and is sort of the totem for Barbara? 
***Barbara Norris? is her Asgardian identity Brunnhilde? 
***Samatha Parrington? 
*FF minor Kree/Skrull prologue, dealing with a Skrull squad (that eventually turn to cows)
*W4
**X-Men vol 3/4? shutting down Master Mold?
**SM v4
***FEAST has been established
***Kurt Connors wants his arm back - teams with Essex Corp rogue scientist Sauron
***Otto is dating May Parker
***Morbius also happens here?
***Lizard happens here, with New York still flooded?
***it takes combined Otto legs + Gwen support + Capt Stacy sacrifice + Peter strength to defeat Lizard and his monster bomb
**FF + Citadel of Science? heading to investigate cow people in Europe and it turns out to be bova and the ani-men
**Captain America and the Avengers
***Cap's kooky quartet
***Hawkeye recruits Black Widow personally?
***vs Nighthawk
**Cap and the Avengers, and some of the X-Men (maybe incl. Spidey and Kitty Pryde and Wolverine?) go to madripoor to chase down HYDRA and Viper?
***
*W5
**Kree/Skrull War
***the Badoon and Cotati are also involved
****the war started because the Skrulls had some people hanging out with the Cotati when the Kree killed them all?
***Plan Atavus - the Kree want to detonate a bomb in Kree orbit that will wake a shit ton of Inhumans
****one of them is Moon Girl
**FF: Kree/Skrull/celestial madonna(?)
**Avengers Force Works - vs Korvac? idfk need something for those avengers to do in space before Asgard
***Beta Ray Bill
***Corsairs
**X-Men vol. 4/5? the Cure and a battle against the second brotherhood? 
*W6
**FF return to Earth, helped by Capt. Marvel
**X-Men go into space - Xavier's machination to help them gain some face by saving the FF - but it goes wrong and Jean goes all Phoenixy
***Phoenix vs Proteus/Legion? 
*rise of the inhumans - the Inhumans also chase down the Serpent Crown
*W7
**Fantastic Wedding
**Spider-Man vs Scorpion + Man-Wolf? either way it's when John Jameson returns to Earth
***move this earlier? Spider-Man can have Gwen Stacy die at Green Goblin's hand, and Green Goblin dies on his own, in the events prior
**New Mutants - just before Inferno?
***vs Hellions?
****Bevatron?
**FF pre-inferno
***Dragon Man
**Avengers/X-Men: Dark Phoenix
*W8
**X-Factor, Vol. 1
***Havok goes to Alaska to see his brother
***they're recruiting a new team - the OG X-Men (Beast, Angel, maybe Iceman and Polaris) have already signed on
***Scott has a new wife and they're expecting a child - Havok is like, ok, this is a bit fast, but alright i guess
***something happens, Scott gets his mojo back
**Spider-Man, vol. ???
***vs Scorpion and Manwolf
***Peter gets the symbiote? but he doesn't use it yet
**Inferno
***Fantastic Four
****Diablo, Dragon Man, and potentially Agatha Harkness? or move Harkness to after Coming of Galactus when Nathaniel is born? or maybe split it in half - 
*****the Four (plus Crystal in place of Sue) deal with Diablo and Dragon Man
*****back at home, Sue is accosted by the evil witch Agatha Harkness, who wants to steal Sue's baby for her own... but the baby uses some magic that wipes the evil from Agatha's soul. or is able to break Mephisto's spell.
***Spider-Man -
****Harry Osborn makes a deal to bring his dad back... his dad then makes a deal to become the first Goblin King, and unleashes the Devil's breath on NYC
****May Parker dies of the Devil's breath
****Peter debates making a deal with Mephisto to bring May and maybe Gwen back
****Rek-Rapp, a demon from hell, is inspired by Spider-Man. maybe this is what prevents Peter from going full One More Day
***X-Men - 
****Maddy Pryor is revealed
****disappearance of Magik
**Avengers vol ???
***Ultron spits out Vision with the Mind Stone?
**Hulk gets launched off into space somewhere around here?
*W9
**X-Men: Night of the Sentinels
***Morlocks
***dazzler here or in W10?
**New Mutants
**X-Factor - despite the Sentinel crisis basically ruining their change of being a good govt team for the moment, Scott wants to save children, so... that's what they do. Jubilee, etc.. the Gen X crowd
**Secret Empire here?
***Cap agrees for one last mission to help defeat Galactus as Captain America
**Coming of Galactus
**Spider-Man, Vol. ???
***utilizing Venom, defeating Shocker, Sin-Eater...
***then Kraven's Last Hunt?
**Venom - or move after AoU? idfk
***Kraven's Last Hunt would be a separate volume? so to extend the Venom saga?
***either way, to help him beat Venom, Mary-Jane does some journalistic research of her own. she finds the Tinkerer, and the two rebuild Shocker's scrapped costume to be a Jackpot costume for her
*W10
**X-Men: The Mutant Massacre
***vs the Reavers?
***do a clone of Wolverine like in Logan? Jubilee is on this team with Wolverine
**New Mutants vol. 2/3?
***vs Emma Frost's class
**Cable and Bishop both come from the future in different ways, trying to prevent Apocalypse/the technorg virus
**do Brood, then Apocalypse right after? 
**Age of Ultron - or not yet? give it a year or two? 
**Spider-Man, Vol. ??? - 
***overcoming Venom... and Hobgoblin?
*Age of Ultron here?
**Runaways would have to happen before
*W11
**New Mutants vol. 3 - with Warlock?
*Inferno -> Chitauri Invasion -> Coming of Galactus -> Age of Ultron -> Infinity War -> Civil War -> Avengers Disassembled -> No More Mutants -> Avengers vs X-Men -> Krakoa
*Judgement of the Celestials
**Galactus won't defend them... but his daughter, Galacta, will plead the case. 
*trial of Yellowjacket 
*HYDRA: Secret Empire/Winter Soldier 
***
*while Cap's Kooky Quartet happens, Tony and Thor go into space to chase down Loki who's trying to get home manually?
**Cap's Kooky Quartet vs the Maggia
***could lead into Wonder Man? he would be the villain for a volume or 2 at first but then maybe revived and joins the team with Vision or someone?
**ok... here's what I'm thinking
***Avengers, Vol. 2 or 2+3 see some other early adventures, culminating maybe in an Atlantean invasion? (w/ Attuma), maybe orchestrated by Doom, introducing Wakanda to the Avengers. then, the Avengers kinda split up. 
****Cap and the Avengers - Cap's kooky quartet. War Machine assumes the role of Iron Man but might not rly be a full time Avenger
****Force Works - Thor, Tony, Yellowjacket, and Wasp head off into space chasing after Loki. maybe Sif or Valkyrie join them too. additionally, someone from Wakanda would be there - either Shuri or Black Panther (the other one would retain the Black Panther mantle on Earth)
***Dr Doom (secretly) helps Loki get off earth. FW tries to chase Loki and find Asgard. meanwhile, Tony and Pym create Ultron (because Tony only trusts himself to protect Earth, not someone like Reed or Cap)
***on Earth, Cap leads the Avengers and stirs up more trouble than they anticipate, stumbling upon the Maggia and the Masters of Evil 
***Ultron will be created and race towards Earth, maybe doing so as a virus. Force Works' plan changes from capturing Loki to trying to get to Earth as soon as possible (maybe going on a Bifrost adventure to do so?)
***Ultron will dredge up files about HYDRA, forcing them to activate their sleeper agents
***a few volumes later, Loki can invade with the Chitauri, signalling the beginning of the Infinity Gauntlet storyline
*X-Men Apocalypse (Birth of Phoenix in a spaceship battle?) -> Dark Phoenix -> Shi'Ar, Brood sagas (+ Capt Marvell Binary, death of Corsair)
**New Mutants cover the New Mutants movie - Karma works with Professor X (or maybe someone else?) to expose the Hellfire/Essex "school" that has housed the New Mutants. Magik would have been sent here after disappearing in Hellfire
*Avengers Disassembled -> Force Works (which gradually becomes Tony's side in the Civil War?) -> Civil War
**Civil War happens after House of M/mutant repowerment? or before?
**when X-Men get repowered, do Ultimatum? where Magneto is like "never again" and the X-Men have to kill him to prevent him from genociding humans
*Xmen plot:
**Genosha imprisonment -> anti mutant hysteria -> "The Cure" -> Sentinels and the mutant massacre -> Gambit/Rogue and the Living Monolith in New Orleans -> Apocalypse
=== Lore ===
* Apocalypse got his powers from when the Celestial Prosh came to judge the Earth; Apocalypse challenged Prosh (and the Eternals?) to 1 on 1 and ended up bending the Celestial to his will. The fight forced him to go into a deep slumber to recover, but he knew one day he would have to return to save the world when the Celestials returned again.
** Apocalypse ends up just leaving for Arakko on Mars, being like "well shit if you guys aren't going to welcome me here I'll just not save you guys from the Celestials"
*Emma Frost - 
**Had a "Carrie" moment when she was a young teenager. ~10/15 YBP. Her mutant form, being entirely diamonds, manifested, and she was bullied out of school and kicked out from her family. (Still, maybe her siblings took care of her behind their parents' back?) She had to build herself back up from the ground.
**her brother, Christian Frost, was sent to a gay conversion camp, and her sister, Cordelia, was disowned for being too punk. this leaves Adrienne to inherit the family fortune and power
**Christian eventually gets mutant powers and returns and kills Winston Frost - this could be the plot of an X book?
*Hank Pym was a hero 20-15YBP, and his wife (Maria Trovaya) was actually a mutant HYDRA sleeper. she stole their daughter and sent the kid to the Red Room, intending to exploit Pym for Pym particles. Pym refused, and created Ultron-1, whom he sent to the Soviet Union, resulting in the creation of their first superhero team forming
*The Invaders
**Phineas Horton tried to create a synthetic human, but the android combusted. Still, it was brought into battle as the "Human Torch"
*History of the Marvel Universe
**
*Asgard:
**Odin conquered the Nine Realms and lay claim to them, but his power was checked by the Celestial host. The battle put him into the Odinsleep. His invasion of Heven was aborted (losing his daughter Aldrif in the process), and he never truly consolidated power on Earth, only living on as a legend. Meanwhile, his other daughter Hela was lost invading Hel.
**Odin slept with Gaia (non-consensually? idk). Gaia gave birth to Thor, whom she loves, but took back a portion of Odin's power. Thor used it to re-empower the Valkyrior. 
**Thor is NOT the son of Thor and Frigga like Donald Blake thinks he is, but actually the son of Gaia and Odin in our timeline.
**Odin is the father of Heimdall to a powerful Vanir woman. Sif considers Heimdall close kin because of their shared Vanir relations and military experience.
**Sif's parents are Rheda and Mandifar of the Aesir. Her cousins are Sol and Mani.
== Series Concepts ==
* Avengers
** vs Count Nefaria and the Maggia
*Blade
* Captain America/Captain America and the Avengers/Agents of SHIELD
** vs Serpent Society, which is where he gradually learns that YDRA is stilla round?
** Old Friends, New Friends
*** could introduce Rikki?
*** Cap meets up with Human Torch, thinking it's the same android he fought alongside. Reed learns about Horton cells
** Cap meets up with Rikki Barnes who becomes like another Bucky?
** Cap meets up with Human Torch?
*Captain Marvel
**Carol Danvers gets abducted by the Kree military and mind-wiped for a while. she eventually returns with the new uniform
*Champions
**America Chavez comes from Earth-838, wherein Peter Parker dies (like in 1610). she knows Miles Morales is Spider-Man (and has some multiverse experience???) and so seeks him out
* Daredevil
** Kingpin story arcs
*** kingpin lies to Matt and says "Fixer is alive" - it's actually Paul Norbert Ebersol. maybe Elektra helps Matt track him down. it's all a Kingpin ploy to get Matt to fight Ebersol, who is an enforcer for Tombstone. 
** starts off in SF?
** was Karen Page murdered?
*** maybe she faked her death?
**is Elektra alive too?
**maybe DD has Karen Page enter witness protection, she heads to SF, ends up wanting to get famous as an actress. she basically has to tell DD off. then maybe Black Widow or someone arrives to bring him back to New York?
***then back in NYC he meets back up with Elektra and then Elektra dies for real
***or maybe replace Karen Page with Typhoid Mary???
**DDNY
***Daredevil returns to New York
****brought back by Black Widow
****takes refuge in his dad's old gym
****goes to his old pal Foggy for work, but... Foggy has hired Karen Page (their old clerk) to be the new "Murdock" in Nelson & Murdock. Becky Blake is the new clerk clerk
***first stories just revolve around the Guardian, a villain DD had put away years ago, who is now up for rehab
**he defeated Kingpin and had him move to Japan, but one of Kingpin's opponents killed Kingpin's son or something
***or threatened his family, so he returned to the US and Vanessa and his son died in a car crash?
****or maybe his son didn't actually die but was witness protectioned
**adapt Ray COnnor's story, where Matt gets bit and turned into a vamp?
*Deadpool
**starts being saved by an X team
**eventually adopts Princess, who is a dog-possessed symbiote
*Defenders
**not an actual book :(
**founded to stop the Atlantean invasion
**essentially a bigger roster maintained by Dr. Strange. like a super-Avengers of super-powerful heroes
**Doc Strange tries to summon them later for something supernatural, which could lead to the founding of the Midnight Suns
*Fantastic Four
**meeting the Wakandans
***Klaue? 
***it could be Kraven, Klaue, and some outsiders at a little safari outside of Wakanda waging a guerilla war. maybe Reed helps Klaue out?
**multiverse/council of Reeds
***Maker and Malice are husband or wife? or they come from differing but corresponding timelines (i.e. one where Reed rejected Sue, one where Sue rejected Reed) 
****Maker took over his universe, Malice destroyed hers and is in the Negative Zone
***von Doom is the villain to the Maker's universe 
***von Doom is the only von Doom in the universe - he carefully ensures that because he's so egotistical 
*Future Foundation
**creates vibranium reactors across the world (like Earth-X) and creates iron Maiden 
*Ghost Rider
**hatsune miku becomes a companion to one of them
***https://x.com/summershulkie/status/1774196721217597586
* Great Lakes Avengers
** after Tony forms the West Coast Avengers, a bunch of failed superheroes band together to become the Great Lakes Avengers
** roster:
*** Flatman
*** Mr. Immortal
*** Dinah Soar
*** Doorman
*** Big Bertha
*Hulk
**Betty gets crystallized - I'm thinking Leader is like "oh Thunderbolt we can track Hulk down using your daughter", she gets crystallized, Hulk seeks out Doc Strange for help in getting her saved. at some point Betty gets hit with gamma rays and becomes Harpy to break free. 
**Doc Samson arc
***Betty contacts Doc Samson about learning more about gamma forms 
****(should this be when Red Hulk becomes a thing?)
***Doc Samson researches all of the gamma creatures and ultimately decides to be his own guinea pig (or someone else pushes him in idk) - Doc Samson emerges as, well, Doc Samson the superhero, and learns that gamma forms are basically represssed personalities (+ also demonic??? idk lmao). but since Samson has his background in psychology he's able to balance his gamma personalit
**Red Hulk
***happens after Hulk gets exiled for Planet Hulk?
***Ross is like "damn we needed a Hulk all along..."
**Betty's psychology
***Betty Ross - kind of feeble girl
***Harpy - wants to be free! of both her dad and maybe even Bruce
***Red She-Hulk - Ross's "perfect daughter"
***Red Harpy - Betty's "professor hulk" - acknowledges she's the daughter of Ross, but is her own person
*Iron Fist
**merge into a Deadly Hands of Kung-Fu book?
**Danny Rand's father was a K'un-L'un kid kidnapped long ago or something? idk i don't like doing the white savior angle it kinda is
**Amazing-Man/John Aman is there (the inspiration for iron fist)
*Iron Man
**versus some mutants? or mutant-based villains?
***Unicorn
*Knights of New York
**Daredevil returns from San Francisco to New York. he wants none of the people he finds in New York to be vigilantes, but he finds he cant stop them
***Power Man is literally bulletproof and has some "grat power, great rsponsibility" stuff going on
***Iron Fist is religiously motivated
***White Tiger is motivated by revenge
***Spider-Man is there?
*Midnight Suns
* New Warriors
** in a Marvel Heroes introduction, he's a wealthy slacker who uses his parents' wealth to design a hi-tech skateboard, and somehow ends up angering Kingpin or another mafioso, who kill his parents? he uses the rest of his parents' wealth to become the Night Thrasher
*** could be a Spider-Man tie in
*President Osborn
**uses the existence of Hive/the hydra to push himself into presidency like Donald Trump?
*Runaways
**s1 is classic Runaways
**s2 introduces more bizarre runaways, like Vic Mancha (Ultron's son) and Xavin of the Skrulls
*Shang-Chi
**was sent to kill Tony Stark
*Silver Surfer
**after Galactus is defeated with the FF's Ultimate Nullifier, Silver Surfer confronts Galactus and earns his freeodm. he explores earth with a female companion and eventually fights Galactus's new herald, Firelord
*Spider-Man
**Green Goblin saga
***early on - vs Mendel Stromm? maybe in y2?
**vs Rhino
**vs Roxxon
***Electro is a mutant, and Roxxon agrees to feed him unlimited energy to keep Spidey away?
***vs Killer Shrike, who is basically a souped-up Vulture? 
**vs Stilt-Man
***maybe Stilt-Man, the Wall, and the Wheel are funded by Kingpin? 
**Clone saga - leads to Peter thinking Gwen Stacy is back. a few years later, she does actually return - but it's another Spider-Woman, from Earth-341-65. this leads to the first Spider-Verse, which ends with several incursions as the Web of Life and Destiny collapses. Spider-Gwen's world collapses, and she migrates into Earth-341 as "Ghost Spider".
***Miguel O'Hara, from 2099, thus creates the Time Variance Authority in his time, as he doesn't want his timeline to disappear like it almost did.
****a few years later, Miles Morales almost causes another incursion trying to prevent his father's death by teaming up with an alternate version of himself in the Multiverse.
*Thor
**early villains - 
***Loki hires the Executioner to kill Thor
***Loki teams up with the Enchantress
***Loki creates the Absorbing Man
**vs Thermal Man?
**Thor meets up with Sif on Earth?
**Hela's Reign
***Loki breaks out of prison, goes to free her
***she returns, starts Ragnarok
*X-Men
**Dark Phoenix saga
***the Shi'Ar want to destroy the Phoenix because they think it's too powerful
***Lilandra realizes that the Phoenix is the manifestation of life on earth, and destroying it would literally end the universe
***eventually Jean returns, takes Cyclop's "essence" and gestates Rachel, who rapidly matures in a psychic cocoon
**first coming of apocalyse
***Horsemen:
****Archangel
****gambit???
**Summers family adventure
***after Jean's death, Scott motorbikes up to Alaska and finds a new wife that he very quickly connects with (wow how suspicious)
***Havok eventually returns and is like "bro we got news about our family", prompting Scott to leave preggo Maddy Pryor at the mansion
*X-Men First Class
**in one vol, Scott harnesses Havok and Tony Stark's tech to adopt the personality of Erik the Red
*X-Men: The New Mutants
**Cannonball gets with Izzy Kane/Smasher during Civil War; she gets pregnant but is also totes a fascist; Cannonball wonders what he should do about all of this because he grew up poor and doesn't just want to leave the kids behind
*X-Men Origins: X&M
**OG X-Men team (16-18YBP)
***Forge (who can reverse engineer anything with his mind)
***Beast
***Xavier
***Magneto
***Banshee
***Mystique
***Amelia Voght - even goes on to be a Brotherhood member?
*X-Force/New Mutants crossover
**Bishop and Cable are trying to stop the TO Virus, when they run into Warlock; Cypher helps Cable and Bishop overcome their fears of the TO Virus???
*The Wolverine
**so here's his story:
***old canadian frontier
***grew up
***went south, adventured in old west with Mystique. eventually met Silverfox and settles down 
***Sabretooth kills Silverfox, Wolverine enlists in WW2
***Wolverine has peace in postwar Japan
***Wolverine gets abducted by Weapon X
***Wolverine gets freed by X&M's first X-Men line up
*Wolverine and Shadowcat
**Wolverine heads back to Japan, Kitty sneaks along
**while in Japan, Wolverine is kidnapped by one of the silver samurai (like in the movie), who wants to steal his powers for himself
***Kitty mistakes this guy with the huge mech to be the silver samurai? or maybe it's viper trying to steal his powers?
**to help Logan out, Kitty forms a team of X-Men in Japan?
***could be a young Armor
***Yukio
***Kitty can't get Sunfire, but she gets his sister, Sunpyre
*Wolverine: Weapon X
**OG team formed around Vietnam War era
**team members:
***Nuke
**were dispatched against Omega Red
**were freed by the OG Weapon X squad
*team ideas:
**Legion of Monsters
**SHIELD departments
***HATE
***SMASH
**X-Men
***Hex-Men
***XSE - replaces X-Factor as the govt team? or is that X-Force?
***NYX - New York X-Men
***X-Men classes
***X-Men teams
****Extinction team
*teamup events
**Techno-Organic VIrus leads to Age of Ultron?
=== Teams ===
* Agents of Atlas?
** formed by Jimmy Woo and Shang-Chi to take down the Mandarin
=== Events ===
==== Civil War ====
* Pro-registration:
** Tony Stark
** Carol Danvers
** The Inhuman royal family (?)
** Wakandans (?)
** Instead of Peter Parker like in the MCU, Tony introduces Ironheart?
* Anti-registration:
** Nomad/Captain America
** Most of the X-Men
** Namor (?)
==== Apocalypse ====
* Apocalypse's four horsemen:
** for a while we considered Gambit...?
** maybe Apocalypse can use death seeds to manipulate people into joining him and becoming his "Dark Riders", but the Horsemen are the ones that "join him" and become 
*** Angel becomes Archangel
=== Romances ===
* Storm x Doom - doesn't work out? 
***
=== Endgames ===
* Gambit - dies and exists as a specter within Rogue's memories
* Mary-Jane Watson becomes a superhero costume designer, Peter becomes a teacher, Silk becomes a reporter
* Wolverine gets with Maddy Pryor?
* Xavier goes to the Shi'Ar, becomes Queen Consort to Lilandra and basically gets to play his own twisted version of Dances with Wolves
* Valkyrior -
** empowered Elsa Bloodstone, Clea, Misty Knight, Nova Frankie Raye, Annabelle Rigs, Ren Kimura, Scythia?
== Character Ideas ==
* 3-D Man
* Aero/Lei Ling - Shanghai-based architect, who works opposite of her old mentor Madame Huang... mutant?
* Arabian Knight
* Asgardians
** Sif - make her the god of earth (lowercase) like she is in Asgardian mythos? she's like a ward or enforcer of Asgard. she has a bad history with Thor because as a kid he and Loki shore off her hair
** Warriors Three
** fantasy races
*** Ulik the Rock Troll
* Beetle
** Janice Lincoln - daughter of Tombstone, works for someone else (Zemo? Mysterio? etc)
* Captain Barracuda
* Marlo Chandler - meets up with Hulk and Rick when they're in Las Vegas
* Comet Man
* Crystal Catawnee/Dream Spider - or change it to Dreamweaver to make it less a spider-man copypaste? but still in tune with web of life and destiny
* Cyclone
* Darter - Spiderman villain who works with the clones
*
* Diamondback/Willis Stryker
* Doctor Dorcas - maybe he gets hired by SHIELD or someone to create Atlantean counters during the Atlantean invasion?
** Piranha
** Tiger Shark
* Frank Drake
* Gorgon - Japanese businessman trying to merge the Hand and HYDRA?
* Hellcat
* Jack of Hearts
* Jackpot II - after MJ. Black Cat steals Mary-Jane's costume, and it eventually finds its way to a single mom or something? idk. anyways it mirrors how Mary-Jane will get powers again as Spinnerrette through motherhood or something. 
* Jigsaw
* Jon Ajax - Greek's Captain America
* Killer Shrike - Roxxon merc
* Luna Snow
* Moon Girl - starts out as a young ward of the FF before falling in with the Power Pack? 
* Machine Man
* Minotaur/Dario Agger
** Roxxon CEO. eventually falls in with Kingpin (maybe after hiring the same Enforcers?), and in his quest for power, Kingpin sends him to the Hand/Elektra/idfk who basically end up helping him turn into the Minotaur. maybe this is a special issue of Marvel Knights? so we could have Spider-Man, Daredevil, Elektra, maybe some others like Thor fight Dario
** i'm thinking after his defeat, the Minotaur is arrested and OsCorp buys out Roxxon, forming Alchemax, but eventually Norman Osborn's Dark Reign results in the Agger getting released
*Moondragon - Moondragon was Heather Douglas, the daughter of the man that would become Drax. Drax and his daughter were abducted and then destroyed by Thanos. Moondragon was taken to Titan, where she studied magic with the Eternals, but was actually corrupted by the Moondragon (a literal dragon of the moon). 
* Morbius the Living Vampire
* Moses Magnum - businessman who tries to fill the void Tony Stark left
* Mr. Fear
* Mr. Immortal
* President Kelly - mutant-hating senator who becomes president
* Punisher
** Franken-Castle?
** works with Microchip, his man-in-the-chair/Q
* Red Wolf
*Tilda Johnson/Nightshade
*Tigra
**starts out as an early Hellcat-costume-wearing adventurer, who then gets turned into a werecat
*Triathlon/Delroy Garrett
*Uranian/Robert Grayson/Marvel Boy - maybe was an early sidekick to Capt. Marvel in the WW2 days?
*Vermin
*Wave/Pearl Pengu - Filipina superhero. atlantean ties?
* Werewolf by Night
* Whirlwind
* White Tiger
* Wyatt Wingfoot
* Wonder Man - 
** gets talked into becoming a superhero (villain) by his brother the Grim Reaper
** has an "ionic" form similar to Living Laser?
*X-51/Machine Man
*Asgardians
**Angela - daughter of Odin, kidnapped by the angels of Heven
*Atlanteans/Talokani
**Byrrah
**Lady Dorma
**Llyra
**Krang
**Namora
**Namorita - keep the clone of Namora origin?
*Avengers + supporting cast
**Yellowjacket/Rita deMara - steals the suit
* Avengers academy
** Finesse - daughter of Taskmaster???
** Hazmat
** Mettle
** Reptil
** Striker
** Veil/Maddy Berry
** Initiative
*** Cloud 9 
*** MVP - raised to be a perfect super soldier
*** Tactigon
*** Trauma/Terrence Ward - turns into people's worst fears (... mutant?)
*Capt America supporting cast
**modern
***Sharon Carter/Agent 13
***Nightshade/Tilda Johnson
**old timey
* Capt Marvel supporting cast
** Yuna Yang - steals the Nega Bands from Rick Jones and becomes the partner of Carol Danvers
*cosmic
**Quasar
**Rom the Space Knight
**Starshine
**Taaia - mother of Galactus (!?)
* Daredevil supportin cast
** Officer Cole North
* demons
** Shiklah
*Eternals
**Romulus - was evolved from a wolf and ruled the Lupine mutant family
**Titans
***Elysius
*fire giants
**Cindr
**Surtur
*GotG
**Adam Warlock - is sent to Earth to eventually defeat the Fantastic Four by the Sovereign as revenge for them defeating the High Evolutionary, but is intercepted and defeated by the Guardians
**Charlie-27 - a Ravager; originally a Nuhuman ("Jovian") created by the High Evolutionary to one-day colonize Jupiter
**Nikki Gold - a Mercurian who survived the Badoon eliminating her planet
**
*GotG supporting cast
*heralds of galactus
**Shalla-Bal
*hulk supporting cast
**Anathema/April Booth
**Half-Life/Tony Masterson - turned into a zombie by gamma radiation
**misc gamma beasts:
***Amazon
*Inhumans
**Tritonn
* kaiju/monsters
** Fin Fang FOom
** Gigantus
** Hypno-Creature
** Mangog
** Monsteroso
** Monstro
** Ulvar
** Zzutak
*Kree
**Minn-Erva
**Yon-Rogg
**military agents
***Hala the Accuser
***Ronan the Accuser
*kung fu mercs
**Triple Iron
*maggia
**Mr. Fix/Paul Ebersol - starts out as a new "Fixer", who Kingpin misleads Daredevil into believing is the same criminal Daredevil killed. 
**Count Nefaria
**Cottonmouth/Cornell Stokes
**The Hood
**Madame Masque
**
*mercs
**Inez Temple
*Mojoverse
**Longshot
**Major Domo
**Mojo
**Spiral
* Nuhumans
** Kid Kaiju
** Skull/Benny Beckley
*Red Room
**Winter Guard
***Darkstar - mutant with connections to the Darkforce
***Fantasma - Skrull/Dire Wraith who flees to Earth
***Ursa Major - mutant werebear
*Serpent Society
**Diamondback/Rachel Leighton - dates Cap?
*SHIELD
**Contessa Aleggra de Fontaine
**Mentallo/Marvin Flumm - a contact of Magneto's who joins SHIELD as an agent with his fromidable intellect, and then a HYDRA agent
**Mockingbird
**Peter Corbeau - early SWORD scientist
**Sharon Carter/Agent 13
**Super Patriot/Kate Walker - USAgent's sister who glorifies him and thus subjects herself to similar treatments, but goes insane
**UN Bannermen
**USAgent
**govt
***Henry Gyrich
* Spider-Man supporting cast
** Ashley Kafka - works at Ravencroft, becomes Queen Goblin?
** Aunt Anna
** Aunt May
** Boomerang
** clones
*** Ben Reilly/Chasm
** Firestar
*** Liz Allan? or Angelica Olsen?
**** gets cancer from her powers
**The Gentleman/Gustav Piers
**Jessie Drake
**John Jameson/Man-Wolf - gets bit by Romulus?
***also Colonel Jupiter?
**Rajit Ratha - villainous businesman... at OsCorp?
**Van Adder/Proto-Goblin?
**Wraith/Yuri Watanabe
*X-Men
**Ariel from Coconut Grove
**Blink
**Cosmar
**D-Cel - trained by Juggernaut
**Evangeline Whedon
**Feral - a Lupine mutant from Genosha; after Magneto frees the shackles of Genosha, she becomes a Morlock
**Galura
**Gambit
***"Gambit's death has a hidden meaning. It was Morrison's original idea to kill him during Genosha's massacre and turn him into an energy ghost that would be able to communicate with Rogue and affect the real world but not touch her... while she tried to bring him back #XMen97"
**Jelby
**Maggott
**Marrow - was a member of the Morlocks, tries to revive the Brotherhood after the mutant massacre, and ends up joining X-Force or something instead (as an outlet for her violet wants)
**Meggan Puceanu
**Mondo
**Slipstream and Lifeguard
**Spike - Storm learns she has a nephew who is a mutant
**Squid-Boy
**Tank
**Threnody
**X-Men classes (sorted by canon lineups)
***Deadly Genesis
****Darwin
****Petra
***Generation X
****Chamber
****Jubilee
****Monet/Penance
****Skin
****Mondo
****Synch - can sync up with other mutants and use their powers
****possible people to toss on there:
*****Buff/Arlee Hicks
*****Refrax/Kurt Pastorius
***Hellions
****Catseye
***New Mutants
****Magma - from a Roman colony led by Selene in Brazil?
***Super Trans (led by D-Man)
****Escapade/Shela Sexton
***Special Class (Xorn and Spidey)
****Basilisk
****Beak
****Cerebella/No-Girl
****Dummy
****Ernst - ... Cassandra Nova?
****Eye-Boy
****Glob Herman
****Hellion
****Rockslide
****Shark-Girl
****Tempest/Angel Salvadore
***training squads
****Alpha Squadron (Northstar)
*****Anole
*****Indra
*****Kidogo
*****Loa
*****Network
*****Rubber Maid
****Chevaliers (Gambit)
*****Rain Boy
****Corsairs (Cyclops)
****Hellions (Emma Frost)
*****Dust
*****Mercury
*****Rockslide
*****Wither
****New Mutants Squad
*****Elixir
*****Icarus
*****Prodiy
*****Surge
*****Wallflower
****Paragons (Wolfsbane)
*****Trance - has the ability to astral project; sent to Xaviers by her parents
* X-Men supporting cast
** Gomi/Alphonsus Lefszycic - kid with cyborg lobsters
** Lila Cheney
** Moira MacTaggert
** Mortis - Dazzler's sister
** Opa Tanaka and the Cyburai
** Patricia Tilby - journalist
** Val Cooper
** anti-mutant agents
*** Alkali Lake/Essex Corp staff
**** Kimura - X23's handler/who tracks down X23 to try and steal her back
*** Judge Robert Chalmers
*** Leper Queen - gets infected with the Cable techno virus
*** Stephen Lang - takes Trask's sentinels
*** Doctor Russel Tresh - a friend of the Frost family and a member of the Hellfire Club, he investigates dreams.
*** X-Cutioner
**Hellfire Club
***Sebastian Shaw - absorbs energy
**Sinister's Marauders
***Arclight
***Blockbuster
***Vertigo
***predator x?
**Mojoworld
***Spiral - Longshot's lover who was tortured by Mojo
** extended Nightcrawler family
*** Abyss - half-brother of Nightcrawler, child of Mystique and Azazel? 
**X-Force
***Agent X
***Black Swan
***Sandi Brandenberg
**"Brotherhood"/Evil Mutants
***Mammomax
***Ogre - has no powers
***Omerta - uses his powers to take over a mafia
***Peepers
**Morlocks
***Erg
***Mole
**Yashida family
***Mariko Yashida - daughter of Lord Shingen
***Sunfire
*Arakko and the Darkriders
**Deadbolt
**Exodus - a mutant gathered from medieval France. he's perhaps the most powerful telepath, rivalling Phoenix. he stays on Mars but when Apocalypse returns after being defeated by X-Men, he returns to Earth because he's upset Apocalypse has given up on Earth. he becomes a founding father of krakoa
**Foxbat - an Inhuman who defects to Apocalypse
**Holocaust
**Spyne
*Wakanda supporting cast
**Achebe - makes a deal with the devil
**M'Baku
**Moses Magnum - conquers a portion of the Wakandan border? 
**Nakia Shauku
***becomes Malice? 
**Tetu
**T'Channa (?)
**Venomm
**White Wolf
**Zenzi
**outsiders
***Gorilla Man?
*Weapons+
**Kimura - X23's handler/sent to retrieve X23
second generation:
* Benny Beckley/Skull
* Gerry Drew - gets kidnapped?
* Jimmy Hudson - son of Wolverine, adopted and raised by James Hudson
* Katie Summers - daughter of Havok (with Janet in that timeline)
* Kirika Yashida - Mariko and Wolverine's daughter
* Kymera - daughter of T'Challa and Storm
* Magneto's other kid, Anya or Nina
* Nate Grey
* Rachel Summers - daughter of Jean and Scott... conceived when Jean comes back to life immediately? like somehow? because Scott will probably be with Emma by then
third generation:
* Tyler Dayspring
future generations:
2099?:
* Alice Farrell/She-Hulk
alternate futures:
* Abscissa - Jubilee clone raised by Mojo
* Kangs
** Pope Immortus
unsorted:
* Hazmat
* King Cadaver
* Siena Blaze
* Striker
* Trevor Fitzroy
* Veil/Maddy Berry
magic artifacts!:
* Immunity Lance
* Sword of Might/Amulet of Right
* Staff of One - Nico Minoru's inheritance 
spells?