Report 1090

Report #1090
Skillset: Loralaria Skill: VioletVibrato
 Org: Symphonium Status: Completed Mar 2013
Furies' Decision:
Solution 3 (excl 1+2).
Problem: Currently violetvibrato ticks every 10 seconds to give a single
affliction that is cured by kombu. This means that the effects of it are
negligible as anyone can ignore it happening and simply eat kombu off of it
hitting to handle the affliction without diagnosing. There are no other herb
goals of Symphonium so this eating doesn't come at the opportunity cost of
curing other necessary afflictions. Empowering the gem gives a chance to give a
second tick of the song, this comes at the cost of only being able to empower
two other total songs. Empowered song can give the same affliction effectively
having no effect
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #1: Make the afflictions to be: Deadened, Impatience,
 Epilepsy, Vapors, Clumsiness and Hypersomnia
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #2: Make the afflictions to be: Deadened, Dizziness,
 Epilepsy, Hypersomnia, Impatience, Vapors
[A: 0 R: 0] Solution #3: Solution 1 or 2, but also make the second tick always
 give a different affliction from the first
Player Comments:
---[Morbo on 3/8 @ 18:22 writes]:
Paralysis: Focus body, Deadened: Eat Kombu, REcklessness: Eat horehound, focus
mind, Sensitivity: apply melancholic to head, eat myrtle, Stupidity: eat
pennyroyal, focus mind. These are the cures for hte proposed afflictions
---[Shuyin on 3/8 @ 23:27 writes]:
What does vibrato do right now
---[Shuyin on 3/8 @ 23:29 writes]:
Also I'm not really comfortable with suggesting a list of affs that are all
useful by themselves. Generally speaking, effects that do a list of affs almost
always do about half 'good' affs and half 'meh' affs. It seems like a overly
huge buff especially if you're trying to make it so the gem effect doubles up
-and- it will be different
---[Celina on 3/9 @ 00:21 writes]:
Going a little overboard with the affliction list. Opposed until you tone it
down.
---[Ushaara on 3/9 @ 12:45 writes]:
@Shuyin Vibrato's affliction pool is the list of what can be cured with kombu,
so amplifyphobia, vapors, epilepsy, dizziness, clumsiness or deadened. Ungemmed
is one affliction, gemmed provides a % chance of two afflictions, with the
symphonist being unaware of if it doubled. It is also not a 'smart afflicter' in
that if you already have one of these affs, the song can do nothing. It hits
with redrubato, but given that all the affs are kombu cures, focus mind + eat
kombu allows the effects of this song tick to be instantly cured. Tweaking the
affliction list to include non-kombu cures would allow the possibility of
sticking an affliction fractionally longer.
---[Ushaara on 3/9 @ 12:48 writes]:
I don't think Sol #3 is on the cards, so I think I would suggest swapping
amplifyphobia and clumsiness for hallucinations and impatience as another
option. Making it a smarter afflicter would also be very welcome!
---[Vivet on 3/9 @ 17:01 writes]:
As epilepsy is in the existing version of VioletVibrato, it may be just as well
to change that affliction to daydreaming. It's a herb cure (that isn't kombu)
with a similar effect, and can conceivably tie into sleep tactics. Would that be
acceptable?
---[Llandros on 3/10 @ 06:40 writes]:
Sorry, but this aff list is too much for a mid stanza song. Especially if you
are going to double up on them. Individual bard powers should not be crippling
on their own. It is the combined 9 stanzas that will be causing problems. Also,
a bard guild not wanting to stack herb cures is just ridiculous. Last time I
checked faeleaf and horehound were both still herbs.
---[Ollie on 3/13 @ 20:23 writes]:
New aff list
---[Vivet on 3/14 @ 02:11 writes]:
As it is now, the only change is switching hallucinations with amplifyphobia.
Looks fine to me.
---[Vivet on 3/14 @ 02:12 writes]:
Oops. I meant from, not with!
---[Shuyin on 3/14 @ 02:25 writes]:
That's not the only change. You're also switching dizziness with impatience. So
you're still swapping out all the not-so-good affs with more useful ones.
---[Celina on 3/14 @ 02:41 writes]:
I'm confused as to the goal of this report, honestly. Is it to make syphonium an
affliction guild and eliminate all not useful afflictions in the process?
---[Kregarn on 3/14 @ 03:01 writes]:
A few of these afflictions have really nice affects on one another. Imagine
afflicting with deaden and impatience or epilepsy and hallucinations. The
chances of these ticing together if you change it to a "smart afflicter" are
pretty high. Considering you can't shrug them, like spidercantiga's poisons or
need a gateway imbue like Purplehaze/Strangetrip makes this a pretty powerful
buff to this skill. Also, thematically, I'm not sure some of these afflictions
make sense in comparison to those you currently have. I can't really imagine
someone hallucinating from a rapid pitch change. All that said, I do NOT support
the change as it stands.
---[Ushaara on 3/14 @ 12:44 writes]:
@Kregarn: Double afflicting is already subject to a %-based mechanic, but
pulling from a 6 aff pool, the chance of the combinations you listed would be
(1/6)*(1/5) which is ~3% chance on the ticks it does double afflict, if smart
afflicting. I don't think this could be considered pretty high. I can agree
hallucinations is perhaps more suited to Minstrelry.
---[Ushaara on 3/14 @ 12:44 writes]:
My revised suggestion: deadened, dizziness, epilepsy, hypersomnia, impatience,
vapors. Impatience for amplifyphobia - it will be instantly detected since song
hits with redrubato, but allows sticking timewarp fractionally longer.
Hypersomnia for clumsiness - hypersomnia is an affliction that can support the
sleep focus of Loralaria and somewhat helpful against love potion should someone
try sip choleric on each vibrato tick.
---[Llandros on 3/14 @ 14:20 writes]:
Seriously, keep dizziness. As a bard guild it is something you really want.
Adding hypersomnia in the mix isn't really helpful if they are trying to move
away from sleep. Honestly though, I really don't see any problem with the
current list of afflictions.
---[Llandros on 3/14 @ 14:21 writes]:
To clairify, opposed. I think the existing list of affs is fine.
---[Ollie on 3/14 @ 15:57 writes]:
Solution# 2 altered to Ushaara's suggestion. Moving away from sleep has not been
suggested Llandros, so hypersomnia does appear to be a nice alternative
affliction
---[Celina on 3/16 @ 00:57 writes]:
I don't think the concerns are really being addressed, unfortunately. Nor do I
understand the purpose of this change, other than a plainly false statement in
the problem, as Llandros pointed out if for nothing else than horehound and
earwort (though glamours bards can stack cures reasonably well). This is a mid
stanza power, at the end of the day, and should be comparable to other mid
stanzas, and the suggestions here are better than many high stanza powers. I
support smart afflicting and nothing more. I am concerned that the goal is to
make things like timewarp stick for a bard. I will simply say this: you're not
supposed to stick timewarp on your own.
---[Shuyin on 3/16 @ 05:56 writes]:
Support Celina's statement - making it afflict smarter is fine. The smart
afflicting part of solution 3 only.
---[Ollie on 3/16 @ 23:51 writes]:
@Celina: as for mid stanzas, let's look at a few. Starhymn has
Sensitivity/Sunallergy/Vomiting in Low, Blinded/Prone in Mid, and AvengingAngel
is capable to be used in Mid, which is pretty powerful in and of itself.
Necroscream is slightly more defensive in Lower and Mid, but does have
CarrillionKnell (more plague afflictions = more H/M/E damage), SickeningPlague
(plague afflictions including epilepsy, pox, rigormortis, scabies and worms,
also adding hunger attrition), and SobbingDread, randomly keeping enemies from
leaving the room. WildeArrane has AncestralCurse (Paranoia, weakness, Paralysis,
Confusion with a chance of two being given) in mid. Minstrelry has uncurable
drunkenness and weed effect, stumbling (offbalance, which is generally used in
Mid Stanzas by the commune songs), PurpleHaze in Mid (hallucinations, paranoia,
vertigo, dementia and confusion). There's obviously a precedence for having
moderately useful effects in Mid or Low stanzas by other specs. Furthermore,
feel free to explain how the afflictions I'm suggesting are better than High
Stanza effects in general.
---[Viynain on 3/17 @ 06:10 writes]:
Opposed. The spread of proposed afflictions strengthens the pool too far the
other way when compared to other Mid-stanza afflicting songs.
---[Celina on 3/20 @ 00:03 writes]:
Okay, well I'm not going to disect for you why a bunch of those skills you just
listed are apples and oranges to an affliction song, but I will at least cover
the aff songs you mentioned. Sunallergy and vomiting are trash afflictions. Pox,
rigor, and worms are trash afflictions. Vertigo and dementia are trash
afflictions, paranoia is trash 1v1. Getting the trend here? Shuyin mentioned it
earlier if you need a hint. Viynain hinted at it too. You can compare your
suggestion to Wilderrane, which lo and behold, is the unbalanced bard guild.
---[Tacita on 3/23 @ 11:33 writes]:
Opposed. I do not mind the smart afflicting part of sol3, but otherwise I agree
with the comments of others.
---[Kregarn on 3/25 @ 01:04 writes]:
Smart afflicting is fine from solution 3 but no to any of the rest. Your current
list isn't bad at all.