Immeasurable Speed Explanation (Dragon Ball Heroes)

==Introduction==
The purpose of this page is to compile feats, statements and explanations on why characters from Dragon Ball Heroes qualify for Immeasurable Speed.
It should be noted that due to Dragon Ball Heroes and Dragon Ball Xenoverse sharing a multiverse, some scans from Xenoverse are valid and can be applied to Heroes.
* The thread where Immeasurable speed was discussed is here and here
==Explanation==
Let's go into detail on why Dragon Ball Heroes should qualify for Immeasurable Speed:
===I. Dark Dragon Balls===
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*The Scan 3SDBH 8th Anniversary Guidebook
1. The first explanation is in the scan itself; Mechikabura himself stated that the Dark Dragon Balls have flown beyond space-time, the word "flown" meaning they used physical flight, as they flew beyond space-time itself physically to different eras of time. Even Mira has stated that they flew away, solidifying Mechikabura's statement. Guidebooks also support these statements.
2. Towa herself was frustrated about the Dark Dragon Balls flying away, but Mechikabura reassured her and said that he will grant her Demon God Power. Demon God Power is just Dark Ki belonging to a Demon who has reached a Godly state, which increases their Ki/Power. What this means is that Towa required a power-up to go after Dark Dragon Balls, and we all know that power-ups in Dragon Ball increase both power and speed, which means she needed to boost her speed to the point where she could fly beyond space-time to go after the Dark Dragon Balls.
3. Dragon Balls themselves always use physical flight as showcased with pretty much every set of Dragon Balls in the verse. The Dark Dragon Balls are just Dragon Balls that got pumped with Dark Ki, turning them into the Dark Dragon Balls. After getting Dark Ki which boosted their power and speed, they were now capable of flying beyond space-time. This was also shown in the short animated PVSDBH Short Animated PV 1 for the game, which also showed a Dark Dragon Ball landing in the Namek saga's era like in the manga scan album above. The Dark Dragon Balls are clearly visibly shown to have physically flown away to different eras.
4. Dark Shenron, who is the amalgamation of the Dark Dragon Balls, his Dark Ki spread across the multiverse and all past, present and future, affecting them all simultaneously with the same Dark Ki that boosted the Dark Dragon Balls and their hosts' power and speed, allowing them to fly beyond space-time.
=== II. Xeno Trunks and Chronoa===
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In the album above, Chronoa flew beyond time/space-time physically from the Xeno Buu era to the Xeno Cell era, and immediately saved Xeno Trunks and Xeno Vegeta from getting smashed by Gravy, reacting to his attack while flying there. The trio then physically flew from the Xeno Cell era to the Xeno Buu era as we can see them flying in the Crack of Time towards Xeno Goku's location and again reacted to a combat situation when Trunks blocked the coming attack from Demon God Buu, as combat speed is above travel/flight speed in Dragon Ball. Everything is explained in the album itself.
===III. Xeno Trunks, Final Form Mira and Dark Broly===
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This is when Xeno Trunks, Final Form Mira and Dark Broly chased each other through time, starting from Hell and going to the Demon Realm which were in different eras of time, even catching up with each other in the middle of their three-way chase.
1. The main explanation is in the album itself
2. Back to the Dark Dragon Ball point, the Dark Dragon Balls are capable of flying beyond space-time itself, and the DDB's can also possess and induce their victim with Dark Ki, in turn boosting their power and speed. With that boost, Dark Broly was now capable of flying beyond space-time like the DDBs
3. Mira didn't show the ability to fly beyond space-time before, however after fusing with Towa (who at that time is a Demon Goddess) and turning into Final Form Mira and gaining a boost in both power and speed, he started flying and chasing after Dark Broly.
4. Xeno Trunks, before becoming a Time Patroller needed to use a Time Machine to time travel, however after training half a year with Xeno Goku, his power and speed got boosted to the point that he was now capable of flying and chasing after both Final Form Mira and Dark Broly. This leads us back to point II, where after training half a year with Xeno Goku, he became so strong that he was capable of flying through time and reacting in combat, blocking an attack from Demon God Xeno Buu to save Xeno Goku
===IV. Mechikabura's Chaos Ball/Black Hole===
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1. Mechikabura's Black Hole/Chaos Ball sucked everything (past, present and future) into himself (which is why it has Low 1-C range). We have two characters, Xeno Trunks and Chronoa, both reacting to its action before they were even caught in it. Returning to three points above, both Xeno Trunks and Chronoa demonstrated the ability to physically fly beyond time and now they reacted to a black hole that sucked everything on Low 1-C scale (past, present and future, all of time) which would further support that the DBH cast have obtained Immeasurable speed.
2. The Black Hole was also created from Mechikabura's own power with a portion of it boosting Towa into a Demon God, allowing her to fly beyond space-time and go after the Dark Dragon Balls. He similarly amped the other Demons into Demon Gods, and they replicated the same feat by Towa, like when Gravy and Putine in the second album reached the Cell Games era, and when Xeno Dabura reached Buu's era where he was absorbed by Xeno Buu. This further solidifies the speed feats.
===V. CC Goku flew from the future to the past ===
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The explanation is in the album, in short, similar to the Dark Dragon Balls feat in Dark Demon Realm Mission, Goku, in his injured state, flew from the Prison Planet back to Zeno's Palace, with the Prison Planet being stated by Fu to not exist in the time of CC Goku and in the future instead, which made Goku's home time period the past of the Prison Planet, and he flew from the Prison Planet back to Zeno's Palace, and met the Grand Priest, which means he physically moved from the future back to the past
=== VI. Instant Transmission and Dr.W ===
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The explanation is in the album. In short, in Dragon Ball Heroes (where Dragon Ball Z movies such as The Return of Cooler which featured Metal Cooler in are canon to), Instant Transmission is treated as movement that is passing through a different space that transcends time. This statement at least can result in Infinite speed, however, further inspection shows that Instant Transmission is not only instant teleportation, but it also allows for travel to back and forth from the future to the past, or vice versa. Now IT alone isn't granting any speed ratings, however, characters reacting and keeping up with it via speed is another story, which in this case we have a character called Dr.W who moved so fast that Xeno Vegeta stated he moved at Instant Transmission levels of speed, which previously we established IT can time travel, thus this feat places Dr.W at Immeasurable speed due to being able to move as fast as IT = Time Travel, and later Xeno Vegeta kept up with him with sheer speed
===VII. CC Goku outspeeds future sight===
Agios, who with her Time Power is capable of seeing the future itselfSDBH Ultra God Mission Manga Chapter 10, couldn't follow CC Goku's movementsSDBH Ultra God Mission Manga Chapter 10. So why this is an Immeasurable speed feat? Simple. Future sight means you look into the future, the fate of your opponents, thus regardless of how fast they are, their future is going to be seen, their fate is going to be looked at, they can't escape, yet CC Goku escaped the future sight with his speed alone, which means he is so fast that he escaped the future, the fate itself, which requires Immeasurable speed to do, since Immeasurable speed allows users to move beyond time, which time is the consequences of events, cause and effect, past and future. CC Goku's movement is so fast that he escaped the future which also means he escaped the flow of time, timestream itself
===VIII. Agios flying around history===
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Pretty explicit, Agios and her Warriors in Black Clothes stated that they're gonna "tour" around history, similar to Chronoa and the Xeno Warriors feat back in Dark Demon Realm Saga
===IX. The Shadow Dragon Balls ===
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Similarly to the Dark Dragon Balls, the Shadow Dragon Balls in the Evil Dragon Mission of DBH are capable of physically flying away into different eras of time. This feat would obviously scale to the Evil Dragon Mission versions of the Shadow Dragons who are the incarnationsV-Jump January 2014 of the Shadow Dragon Balls, the Evil Dragon Mission GT cast who can keep up with them, Broly who is superior to most of the Shadow Dragons, and Xeno Trunks who later defeats a stronger Broly
===X. Space-Time===
In Dragon Ball Heroes (and also Dragon Ball Xenoverse), space-time also means timeSDBH Dark Demon Realm Manga Chapter 11, the time axisDragon Ball Xenoverse or the axis of historySDBH Ultra God Mission Manga Chapter 3. They are also referred to as the ordinary flow of time
Meaning that when these characters mentioned above have flown beyond space-time, they haven't just flown beyond some vague space-time, they have actually flown beyond time, the time axis, history and the linear, ordinary flow of time itself to reach a different era/point in time. And they needed a speed boost to do so, further proving that they indeed qualify for Immeasurable speed
== Higher Degree of Immeasurable speed ==
Due to the verse cosmology possessing 5-dimensional hypertimelines, with a 2nd higher temporal dimension, DBH characters are capable of moving beyond this higher temporal dimension, thus their speed is that of a higher degree of immeasurable speed due to bypassing the second higher time axis which is superior to the first lower time axis
==Debunking some common counter-arguments==
This section is for debunking common counter-arguments that are often associated with Immeasurable speed
1. It's just Time Travel
*Demons themselves are already capable of time travel via either teleportation-like ability or portals. It makes no sense if they can already time travel, and still needing a boost in power and speed to go after something.
*Dragon Balls have always flown physically. This is a universal mechanic in Dragon Ball, and even the animated short PV also proves this idea. Even the characters in the previous scans are using words suggesting that the Dark Dragon Balls flew away physically, beyond time.
*Immeasurable speed also allows for time travel. Since Immeasurable speed treats time as distance, time travel is one of its properties.
2. It's just hax
*Scans visually show otherwise, as characters are shown flying physically.
*Secondly, assuming it is hax for the sake of arguments, nothing says that hax can't grant a speed rating. Same with Mechikabura's Black Hole, sure you can say it is hax, but nothing says that characters that reacted to that hax can't have a speed rating.
3. They can't boost their speed up to level like that
*Trunks trained with Xeno Goku half a year, elevating his power from similar levels to his anime counterpart, up to Low 1-C, so speed can be boosted up to an insane level like it's completely normal. Same with Frieza, his power after fusing with one DDB was elevated to Xeno Goku's level, likewise with Xeno Buu, so speed boosts like that are completely normal.
*Second, VSBW Terminology, as the name implies, just belongs to VSBW. In the authors/developers minds and in their intentions, they make characters capable of performing such feats. They don't follow our terminology.
4. But don't they later use portals though?
* Utilizing portals is not a contradiction to Immeasurable speed, it is a matter of convenience and utility. Similarly to how in the "canon" continuity of Dragon Ball Super, the main cast consistently use Instant Transmission to travel distances that they could easily cross with their own raw speed if they wanted to.
5. But didn't Hit's Time-Skip affect them?
* In fiction, it is possible for superior Time hax to affect beings with Immeasurable speed. Hit has always been capable of evolving his abilities to new heights, and in SDBH his evolution is arguably superior to his "canon" counterpart, as he is now capable of affecting characters who are far superior to the heavily suppressed Jiren who resisted his time-abilities easily.
6. But didn't Chronoa and Trunks use the Crack of Time to go to these different eras? 
*No. They went there to get to a safe place away from the demons. The Crack of Time has not been established in-verse to function this way, and it's actually even contradicted to work in this manner. In Xenoverse 2, when Towa tried to trap the Time Patrol in the Crack of Time, she explicitly stated that this was a "one-way trip" with no way out for them, and when Mira was dragged into the Crack of Time instead, he couldn't get out from there and needed outside help from Towa to get out. With even experienced time travelers getting trapped inside the Crack of Time without any means of escape, this majorly contradicts the Crack of Time functioning in a manner where it could be used for time travel purposes.
==Conclusion ==
After combining everything it is very clear that the Dragon Ball Heroes characters qualify for Immeasurable speed due to being able to fly beyond space-time to different eras of time with their raw speed. However, we still need to make clear of what continuities can have Immeasurable speed, since DBH alone contains many continuities in itself.
=== The ones who get Immeasurable speed===
The late stage of God Mission is the foundation that kicks off the narration of Mainstream Dragon Ball Heroes/Super Dragon Ball Heroes, thus some characters from this stage can be backscaled.
*Mainstream DBH/SDBH is where the all the feats and statements come from, thus they will have Immeasurable speed, with base Chronoa, Xeno Trunks, Towa, and Dark Dragon Balls being the baseline and all others scaling from them.
*Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission is branched off from the Dark Empire Saga of the Mainstream, which is after the Dark Dragon Ball feat is shown, and the Time Patrol cast are from the mainstream itself along with the Dark Dragon Ball Warriors, thus World Mission's character will also have Immeasurable speed, like Beat and Sealas. There are also some other World Mission characters who would scale, but they don't have a profile/key, like Xeno Goku or Xeno Vegeta.
===The ones who don't get Immeasurable speed===
*Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission X also will not scale since the game branched off from a different event, in the early stages of the God Missions and before the events of the God Missions that lead to Super Dragon Ball Heroes Dark Demon Realm Mission, which means before the Dark Dragon Ball feats.
*Dragon Ball Heroes: Victory Mission also won't scale, since they are a spin-off of DBH Jaaku Mission, way before Super Dragon Ball Heroes Dark Demon Realm Mission.
*Lastly Dragon Ball Xenoverse. Despite sharing the same multiverse with DBH, it will not scale due to being its own continuity and not canon to DBH. However this could change in the future.
==References==
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