148361-lack-of-new-raid-content

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			Is NCsoft going to pull the plug on this thing? I've heard some people talking about it, even going as far to say that they had cancelled the new raid that was being planned, and it seems that there hasn't been any content added since the f2p patch quite some time ago. Has carbine said where this future is headed?	
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I don't know where that info comes from? You got any source?
So far all we know that a new raid is still being planned for. 	
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I don't know where that info comes from? You got any source?
So far all we know that a new raid is still being planned for. 
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			Content Drop #7 Reveal on 13th january 2016 - NCSoft Press Conference : WildStar	
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Content Drop #7 Reveal on 13th january 2016 - NCSoft Press Conference : WildStar
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			Redmoon not cancelled but it wont be the raid people want it to be. We wont get another raid with the size and scope of Datascape.	
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			It's my legitimate belief that NCSoft is going to pull the plug on this game sadly, Carbine is just too incompetent when it comes to running and managing their content, and I dont think they are ever going to be able to fix that. It's going to be what ultimately kills off this game.	
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Thanks for info, didn't know it was coming so soon. Looking forward to it :)
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The press conference announces whats in the next drop.  There is no indication of when the next drop will actually be.  We also have no clue if the next drop will include Redmoon.  With the amount of testing raid fights need you can expect to see Redmoon on the PTR at least 2 months before it goes live.  At least I hope Carbine (or NCSoft) doesn't make the mistake of releasing a poorly tested raid.  
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			Oof, I thought we'd be getting some sort of actual update in Jan/Feb. :/ If it's just an announcement, that probably means more like March or April...	
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If anything, the game is in desperate need of casual and horizontal content.
It almost died on the raid heavy top end, it won't survive on another raid.
 
But then, to me it looks like Carbine maneuvered themselves into a corner from where they just can't do enough anymore to give the game a much needed push forward (i.e. just take a read on glassdoor)
Unless we see a huge patch catering to everyone, whatever Carbine is able to do with what they have left won't be enough to drag the game out of the mud.	
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It's my legitimate belief that NCSoft is going to pull the plug on this game sadly, Carbine is just too incompetent when it comes to running and managing their content, and I dont think they are ever going to be able to fix that. It's going to be what ultimately kills off this game.
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Sadly this may be the harsh truth. It's unlikely we will ever see the quality and polish that this game deserves, especially given the fact that the design team who built originally created Wildstar has all but been deleted by NCsoft.
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You mean the same team that was responsible for all this #hardcore bs  which is basically the reason this game flopped?
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Who needs new raid content when you can get a $9 bottle of dye on the cash shop ! :D
 
They'll be bringing plenty of those out don't you worry.
 
Real content though?
 
SOONtm	
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lol the hardcore raids were the main aspect why this game was good at the start. the rest was buggy/not even implemented.
different players like different things...
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Hopefully there is content coming for everyone.
 
A new raid at the top end is needed because it's attractive to people to know that they are still working on raids, even people who won't see them for a while.
 
Some new casual content is also needed. Hopefully they are working on it all.	
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Some new casual content is also needed. Hopefully they are working on it all.
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Winterfest = hardcore i guess.
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Winterfest = hardcore i guess.
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At least stuff like Winterfest will bring in and keep more people than a new hardcore raid would.
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People started to play wildstar because of winterfest?
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People started to play wildstar because of winterfest?
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			 Even if this game is struggling i doubt NCsoft will pull the plug anytime soon.. they will ride it out for quite a while before that happens. As far as raid content is concerned. Since free to play GA pugs are more common than they where before. This is an indicator that more players are shoveling into the raid scene. Which is a good thing. Eventually there will be more and more DS completions with newer players. What is failed to understand here is that raids have quotas if their not met the new raid content is slowed down. Its hard to justify spending a large amount money for a new raid when only a few hundred will be doing it as apposed to a few thousand. F2p was a big project for carbine so new high end content would have had to `of been put on the back burner for the time being.. next year we will probably see new raids since hopefully the game will be on track by then.	
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Didnt u know? Winterfest was the biggest hit in all of online gaming. people even forgave carbine's incompetence and lack of solutions for standing issues. And they effin LOVE the empty server on warhound, like a private winter wonderland!
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20 players in Dominion Luminai Illium is the highest number I've seen so far during this event.
I have noticed much less competition for event quest items this time compared to shade's eve event. In fact, I haven't had any competition at all.
So as far as bringing new players to pvp servers or make old players return, the winterfest event seems to have had little to no effect. 	
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 Even if this game is struggling i doubt NCsoft will pull the plug anytime soon.. they will ride it out for quite a while before that happens. As far as raid content is concerned. Since free to play GA pugs are more common than they where before. This is an indicator that more players are shoveling into the raid scene. Which is a good thing. Eventually there will be more and more DS completions with newer players. What is failed to understand here is that raids have quotas if their not met the new raid content is slowed down. Its hard to justify spending a large amount money for a new raid when only a few hundred will be doing it as apposed to a few thousand. F2p was a big project for carbine so new high end content would have had to `of been put on the back burner for the time being.. next year we will probably see new raids since hopefully the game will be on track by then.
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			I'm curious about what we'll hear at that big press conference. They'd better announce a release of the next real raid tier within a reasonable time frame - the pull factor high-end raids usually (should) have is already suffering and 1.5 years without more than a boss in a box are too long.	
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Hell yeah having a private server like luminai is just what i wanted for christmas!
 
THX CRABIEN!
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Honestly, new content has to keep the casuals happy.  I'm hoping for everything except LFR.
 
Redmoon raid, if it's a post-datascape raid, will be played by like 1000 people.  It's a footnote for a game with income issues.	
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People started to play wildstar because of winterfest?
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			They should add LFR to the group finder.	
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They should add LFR to the group finder.
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No, they started logging in  because of winter-fest :D
 
OT: how many groups actually raid now?? Pretty sure its countable by the hand  hah
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Woooo careful there , you don't want the snowflake crowd on you now :)
Be ready to get swatted/ddosed if it comes to that
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At least stuff like Winterfest will bring in and keep more people than a new hardcore raid would.
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and how long will those stay..... 2 days... on average? the raider stays way longer.
but thanks for making me smile :)
 
i hope a lfr tool will come to make it easier to pug raids so more people can see raids. but you would need to switch from raid ID to boss ID and make it possible to queue for each wing seperatly.
the current content does not need to be nerfed(even more). if people gear up properly and prepare they can clear GA easily now already.
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The same 2 raids for well over a year...........ya man, that's some deeeeep raid content. Just look at these server packed with rai.......oh wait......ya.....
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No, they started logging in  because of winter-fest :D
 
OT: how many groups actually raid now?? Pretty sure its countable by the hand  hah
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and how long will those stay..... 2 days... on average? the raider stays way longer.
but thanks for making me smile :)
 
i hope a lfr tool will come to make it easier to pug raids so more people can see raids. but you would need to switch from raid ID to boss ID and make it possible to queue for each wing seperatly.
the current content does not need to be nerfed(even more). if people gear up properly and prepare they can clear GA easily now already.
 
also the numbers argument gets worse and worse. 3 month ago it was "4 guilds" 2 month ago it was "those 400", now its 1000.....
its about a perspective for the raiding szene, no new content means alot of those players will stop playing and the other 30000 or how many people raid in total will have little incentive to continue playing if no new content is developed or at a rate of 1 new raid/2 years.
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			With all the broken crap like the random sockets on the crafting system, the people's computers crashing from the lack of optimization, the absolute lack of instances and PVP below level cap and the general bugs they are dealing with, I'm pretty sure new instances are on the back burner. At least they better be if they want the game to last. They can't even get Keybindings to work properly at this point. That's some pretty basic shit, programing wise, they have a lot on their plate. 	
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You are so bitter about raids.  Curious how far have you gotten?  You mention that you have to devote time to raid...wait wait, You actually have to spend time to down content, no way.
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The same 2 raids for well over a year...........ya man, that's some deeeeep raid content. Just look at these server packed with rai.......oh wait......ya.....
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At least I hope Carbine (or NCSoft) doesn't make the mistake of releasing a poorly tested raid.  
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			I honestly don't understand how f2p required so much work to be done.  I'm not a designer so I don't know what goes into things, but they changed pricing, added a store, and changed World Bosses.  How was that so much new content to be added/worked on?  Server software?  How does that have anything to do with content.  I'm just hopeing they used that as an excuse to develop drop 7/8 and they are giant drops.  Unless they really did cut jobs back and made it so its a ghost twon at Carbine.	
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he is a forum raider 100/100 super elitist hardcore.  or didnt you know that?
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I honestly don't understand how f2p required so much work to be done.  I'm not a designer so I don't know what goes into things, but they changed pricing, added a store, and changed World Bosses.  How was that so much new content to be added/worked on?  Server software?  How does that have anything to do with content.  I'm just hopeing they used that as an excuse to develop drop 7/8 and they are giant drops.  Unless they really did cut jobs back and made it so its a ghost twon at Carbine.
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I honestly don't understand how f2p required so much work to be done.  I'm not a designer so I don't know what goes into things, but they changed pricing, added a store, and changed World Bosses.  How was that so much new content to be added/worked on?  Server software?  How does that have anything to do with content.  I'm just hopeing they used that as an excuse to develop drop 7/8 and they are giant drops.  Unless they really did cut jobs back and made it so its a ghost twon at Carbine.
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Cosmic Rewards, had to add in the tables and balancing of Omnibits, discoveries, new housing, gear and rune changes, added the new Drusera instance, it's a ton of back end work which is a massive undertaking. 2015 was lost not only to F2P, but time was (and likely still is) being eaten by the China release for some as well. Not to mention things like the zPrix Event, Space Chase, Shade's Eve and Winterfest. How much those last four needed is an unknown but also took time.
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Discoveries already in game, just added different rewards.  Rune change / item updates was a big change, I'll give them that, but the only content being Drusera instance, well, that's not a lot. The additional housing, meh, just adding items, not content.  Idk, maybe its just me, but I would think adding content is way more of a undertaking than all the other stuff.
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It's all various levels of work. Let's not forget they retuned DS to 20 man, which likely took a lot of hours and debugging as well. There's a lot they have to make sure works properly, or at least as much as possible. There's just a lot of work to do anything in am MMO as you just don't know what will effect something else sometimes. Some of it may be easy like adding new variables to a table but maybe every RNG percentage has to be changed...for 1000's of items. Changing up all the items was definitely a huge undertaking. New content may actually be easier to add than tweaking/balancing all the old stuff.
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DS20 was already retuned.  It needed to be tuned a little more to add in the new power to gear, but honestly, DS/GA is super easy because of change to gear.  But your right about tweaking stuff, because tweak one thing, may break another.
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I am not opposed to the new lockout system (makes it easier for people with unusual schedules who want to do progression). but my concern is that having LFR with easymode raids will lower the skill level of players, not elevate them.  I think the more difficult dungeon encounters overlap difficulty wise with the easier raid encounters, creating a smooth skill progression.  I don't see how LFR fits in.
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			So.... Does Y-83 not count as a raid now?	
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