The Sun. — 1833-11-07 (London, England)

HATTON-GARDEN.  Some confusion is occasioned in argument by making use of terms which have more than one signification. We observe that the term agriculturist, used by Mr. Poulett Scrope, has led to misconception of his meaning. The Times of yesterday, for instance, observes, with reference to his letter—" It is fair to say, that, with all our full and hearty concurrence in the necessity of Irish poor laws, we doubt the correctness of Mr. P. Scrope's theory, when he ascribes the distress of the English farmer to his being undersold by the Irish grower, because of the latter being exempt from any legal provision for the poor. We doubt whether the Irish farmer can undersell the English, or do more than meet him on equal terms, after paying his rent. If the Irish farmer be free from poor rates, does Mr. Scrope suppose that such a circumstance escapes the shrewdness of the Irish landlord, or that it does not enter into the calculation of both landlord and tenant when they strike the rent per acre ? The truth is, that Irish wheat is sold in Dublin or Cork market, quality for quality, on nearly the same terms as British in the markets of England, the cost of carriage being pretty much the same. If the Irish farmer Bays less in poor rate, he pays more in rent, and has even a smaller profit. The landlord alone is the gainer ; and if poor laws were established in Ireland to-morrow, Irish wheat would not be sold a fraction higher, but the rent would be wofully reduced, and the relation between the farmers or immediate sellers of grain in the two countries would remain, as to their respective profits, precisely what it is at present. With regard to the enlarged consumption of Irish grain in 1832, as compared with 1817, it is sufficiently accounted for by the increased demand of a rapidly growing population, the agricultural soil and productiveness of England itself not being susceptible of a proportionate increase. It was well observed by Burke, that in all arguments with respect to agriculture, the tenant must be considered merely as the representative of the landlord. And, in fact, Mr. Poulett Scrope considered the Irish farmer merely as a potatoe-eater, who, whether prices were high or low, had no interest whatever in the question. SVhen be said that the Irish farmer could undersell the English farmer, he meant that the landlord, acting through the wretched creature that raises and disposes of the whole produce for his account, could undersell the English farmer. The English cultivator, as is well known, must maintain the population, whether he employs them or not, and if the supply of Irish food lowers the price below what would rs.olace to the Englishman the necessary expense, he is, of course, undersold by the Irish agriculturist. Whatever the price, high or low, the Irish agriculturist can always afford to sell, because the only cost of production is the supply of potatoes and water to the famished wretch, who is reduced, by excessive competition, to the necessity of delivering over his whole produce to the owner of the soil. No reflecting person would, therefore, bestow a moment's consideration on the being whom, by courtesy, we call Irish farmer, from not knowing what else to call him. The whole tenor of argument went to ',how that Mr. Scrope's the landlord alone was concerned, for he took pains to show, that, happen what might, the Irish peasant could only count on potatoes and water in good y iears, and a relief by typhus from his cares n years of famine. Our contemporary (the Standard) has written a long article on Mr. Scrope's letter, the arguments of which, with all humility be it spoken, he has utterly misunderstood. We have already  CHARGE OF MURDER,--Yesterday, Richard Shortland, a butcher, a young man, was brought to this office, in the custody of John Capes and Wm. Dunstan Stanley, beadles of St. Pancras parish, charged before Mr. ROGERS and Mr. LAING, on suspicion of the wilful murder of Elizabeth Scully, a young woman, who was found drowned in the Regent's Canal under suspicious circumstances. There not being sufficient evidence against the prisoner, he was discharged.  (From the London Gazette.) f. I TO-MORROW, Nov. 8. 6. 11 D. Cockerill. cattle-dealer, Edmonton, Middlesex . ...... C. Hamond, Italian-warehouseman, Blacktriars.road.... 5 J. Hilton, grocer, Cumbetland-place, New.road ............