Selling, General and Administrative Costs (in thousands)
Description
Twelve months ended October 31, 2018
Twelve months ended October 31, 2017
Increase/(Decrease) 
Start-up expense (Tyler, Texas complex) 
$13,394
$403
$ 12,991
Legal services expense 
17,573
7,879
9,694
All other SG&A 
68,863
61,847
7,016
Administrative salary expense
42,288
36,193
6,095
Trainee expense 
21,553
16,182
5,371
Charter aircraft expense
2,167
900
1,267
Depreciation expense - machinery and equipment 
5,801
4,555
1,246
Stock compensation expense 
15,702
16,952
(1,250)
Marketing expense
32,624
34,272
(1,648)
Start-up expense (St. Pauls, North Carolina complex) 
—
4,022
(4,022)
Bonus award program expense 
—
15,098
(15,098)
Employee Stock Ownership Plan ("ESOP") expense
2,000
18,000
(16,000)
Total SG&A 
$221,965
$216,303
$ 5,662

text: SG&A costs during fiscal 2018 were $222.0 million, an increase of $5.7 million compared to the $216.3 million of SG&A during fiscal 2017. The following table shows the components of SG&A costs for the twelve months ended October 31, 2018 and 2017.
text: Regarding the table above, the change in start-up expense in any particular period relates to the stage of the start-up process in which a facility under construction is in during the period. Non-construction related expenses, such as labor, training and office-related expenses for a facility under construction are recorded as start-up expense until the facility begins operations. As a facility moves closer to actual start-up, the expenses incurred for labor, training, etc. increase. As a result, amounts classified as start-up expenses will increase period over period until the facility begins production. Once production begins, the expenses from that point forward are recorded as costs of goods sold. The increase in legal expenses was primarily attributable to our ongoing defense of the litigation described in “Part II, Item 3. Legal Proceedings” of this Form 10-K. The increases in trainee expense and administrative salaries were primarily attributable to increases in personnel that coincide with the Company's growth plans. The decrease in bonus expense, payouts of which are based on profitability, was the result of profitability not reaching the required levels for payout of that incentive. The decrease in ESOP expense, payouts of which are based on profitability, was attributable to the difference in the level of profitability between fiscal 2018 and 2017. The increase in all other SG&A expenses was the result of a net increase in various other categories of SG&A costs.

Questions:
question: What is the legal service expenses for fiscal years 2018 and 2017 respectively?
answer: 17,573
7,879
scale: thousand
question: What is the Administrative salary expense for fiscal years 2018 and 2017 respectively?
answer: 42,288
36,193
scale: thousand
question: What does the table show?
answer: the components of SG&A costs for the twelve months ended October 31, 2018 and 2017
question: What is the average Charter aircraft expense for fiscal years 2018 and 2017?
answer: 1533.5
derivation: (2,167+ 900)/2
scale: thousand
question: What is the average Employee Stock Ownership Plan ("ESOP") expense for fiscal years 2018 and 2017?
answer: 10000
derivation: (2,000+18,000)/2
scale: thousand
question: What is the average Marketing expense for fiscal years 2018 and 2017?
answer: 33448
derivation: (32,624+ 34,272)/2
scale: thousand