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Ker naj bi nova zakonodaja hitro stopila v veljavo, bodo evropski potrošniki predvidoma že to poletje lahko telefonirali ceneje, ko bodo gostovali v tujih omrežjih.
MEPs expressed diverse views from pressing on with much of the existing Constitution, to a smaller Treaty, to advocating no change to the status quo.
Sogovorniki v pogajanjih so imeli zelo različne poglede glede višine reguliranih cen gostovanja in izbire tarife, začetka veljavnosti ter kasnejše revizije zakonodaje.
The debate on the future of Europe with Romano Prodi, Prime Minister of Italy and former President of the European Commission, was introduced by European Parliament President Hans-Gert PÖTTERING who emphasised the challenges facing the EU and the need for successful reforms.
Gostovanje v evropskih državah uporablja približno 147 milijonov potrošnikov , letni promet pa znaša okoli 8,5 milijarde evrov.
Mr Pöttering pointed out that 18 countries had ratified the treaty.
Nova evropska tarifa naj bi znižala stroške za približno 80 odstotkov uporabnikov gostovanja, ki sedaj niso uporabniki cenejših tarif.
He welcomed the support being given by Italy to the constitutional process and stressed that "it would be a misinterpretation of the people's will" to respond to the two failed referendums with a solution that "limits democracy and transparency in the European Union".
Tarife Veleprodajna cena (brez DDV), ki jo lahko "operater gostitelj" zaračuna domačemu operatorju uporabnika za gostovanje v omrežju, naj bi bila omejena na 30 centov na minuto.
Romano PRODI , Prime Minister of Italy, expressed the firm view that "Europe’s future is at stake between now and the 2009 elections".
Zgornja meja naj bi se postopno zniževala za 2 centa na leto v 3-letnem obdobju po začetku veljavnosti zakonodaje.
He argued that: "In the last two years, only the hesitations have been heard".
Najvišja maloprodajna cena (brez DDV) za klice v gostujočem omrežju naj bi bila 49 centov na minuto za odhodne klice in 24 centov za dohodne klice.
It was now time "to listen to those who ratified the 2004 Treaty".
Zgornja meja za odhodne klice naj bi se zniževala za 3 cente letno, za dohodne pa prvo leto za 2 centa in drugo leto za 3 cente.
He saw overcoming the constitutional impasse as the EU's "top priority."
Ponudniki mobilnih storitev bodo morali novo evropsko tarifo ponuditi vsem svojim uporabnikom na jasen in pregleden način, lahko pa bodo ponudili tudi vseobsegajočo mesečno pavšalno tarifo, za katero mejne cene ne veljajo.
In pushing ahead with European integration, "we always have to make efforts to understand the views of others, to take them on board."
Ta pavšalna tarifa lahko vključuje gostovanje za podatkovne storitve ter SMS in MMS.
But, he went on, "we expect the same attitude from 'the others'.
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Italy's sticking points
Ti bodo imeli nato dva meseca časa, da sprejmejo odločitev.
Lastly, his group wished to stress "the importance of the Mediterranean dimension".
Če se bodo uporabniki odločili za evropsko ali katero drugo tarifo, jim jo bo moral operater zagotoviti najkasneje v enem mesecu od trenutka, ko se bodo zanjo odločili.
“If you take that clarity to the negotiations, then at least there will be one strong head of state or government who is not prepared for compromise at any price, as this would be a defeat for the work for European unity.”
Če pa uporabnik v roku dveh mesecev ne bo sprejel odločitve , bo evropska tarifa za gostovanje začela veljati avtomatično.
Europe's future, he said, led not in insulating itself from external injustice, but from exporting its domestic achievements of the last 50 years.
Uporabniki, ki imajo ugodnejše pakete za gostovanja (o čemer jih morajo njihove operaterji dodatno obvestiti) ne bodo avtomatično preklopljeni na evropsko tarifo.
Speaking for the UEN group, Cristiana MUSCARDINI (IT) said it was urgent to adopt a new treaty which would make the EU simpler and easier to understand, but the text should not be too general and ambiguous.
Operaterji jim bodo morali zato dati podrobne informacije o cenah dohodnih in odhodnih klicev v gostovanju.
“People won't trust governments who say one thing in Brussels and another at home,” she said.
Morala bo tudi spremljati spremembe cen storitev prenosa podatkov - vključno s sporočili SMS in MMS - ter, če bo potrebno, pripraviti predloge za regulacijo tega področja.
Mr Wurtz also questioned what role politics and political institutions had to play in facing up to the challenges of economic globalisation, a question he said, that was "never answered" by any of the other leaders.
Kompromis predvideva, da bi nova zakonodaja nehala veljati po treh letih, vendar bo Komisija lahko predlagala podaljšanje veljavnosti.
Nigel FARAGE (IND/DEM, UK) began by saying that Prime Minister Prodi, in his "usual rousing style" had "confirmed [his] belief in a United States of Europe."
Kdaj cenejše gostovanje?
PM Prodi - Response to the debate
Uredba je lahko objavljena v Uradnem listu EU že dan po podpisu s strani predstavnikov Sveta in parlamenta.
As someone who believes in my nation’s membership of the European Union and the potential for good that Europe possesses, I am saddened by this debate.
Predstavnik nemškega predsedstva, državni sekretar Joachim Würmeling je zagotovil, da si bo predsedstvo prizadevalo odpraviti vse ovire za čimprejšnji začetek veljavnosti zakonodaje, ki naj bi začela veljati najkasneje 29. junija.
The enlargement of the EU may, indeed, require some amendments to existing treaties or new treaties from time to time, but I cannot accept that this Constitution is required, nor is it desirable at this moment.
Po mnenju Viviane Reding , evropske komisarke za informacijsko družbo in medije, pa je to prepozno, zato bi morala biti uredba objavljena veliko prej kot konec junija.
There is no doubt that the British people will demand a referendum on any new treaty that might propose additional powers for the EU, and my party would support that.
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Razprava o prihodnosti Evrope
Balkenende tells MEPs: We need a new treaty and a more democratic EU
Evropski parlament nadaljuje vrsto razprav o prihodnosti Evrope.
Dutch PM Jan Peter Balkenende told MEPs: "The Netherlands is in favour of a more traditional document, in the same vein as the Treaties of Amsterdam or Nice.
Mesec dni pred Evropskim svetom, kjer se bodo voditelji EU predvidoma dogovorili o časovnem načrtu medvladne konference za rešitev institucionalne krize je v torek popoldne poslance nagovoril italijanski premier, nekdanji predsednik Evropske komisije, Romano Prodi.
We need to continue with the Monnet method: moving ahead via small, but significant increments [...] we want an EU that operates more democratically.
Ob tem je opozoril, da bi bila rešitev, ki bi omejila demokratičnost in preglednost Unije napačen odgovor na voljo državljanov, ki so zavrnili ustavno pogodbo.
Parliament's President, Hans-Gert PÖTTERING , welcomed the Dutch Prime Minister to the EP and emphasised that the Netherlands had always been at the head of those "who seek to drive forward the European integration process".
Italijanski premier Romano PRODI je uvodoma opomnil, da se je treba odločiti, kaj je tisto, kar Evropa rabi za učinkovito soočanje s svetovnimi izzivi: "To se zdi abstrakten pojem, ki pa je dejansko zelo konkreten.
It was therefore "all the more painful to us" that its citizens had voted against the Constitutional Treaty.
Zdaj nam je verjetno jasno, da moramo Evropejci za boljše razumevanje svetovne globalizacije izboljšati učinkovitost svojih skupnih institucij.
Mr Pöttering was, however, convinced that this did not represent a "No to the European Union itself".
Naj takoj in zelo iskreno povem, da se ne strinjam s tistimi, ki postavljajo nujnost doseganja rezultatov in nujnost izboljšanja institucij na nasprotna pola.
The Union needed to be made "fit for the challenges of the future" and he believed that a solution could be found which would produce "an effective, democratic and transparent EU".
Prav zato, da bi dosegli rezultate, sem si vedno želel in se zavzemal za močnejše in učinkovitejše skupne institucije."
Dutch Prime Minister, Jan Peter BALKENENDE agreed that the Netherlands had always been "a pro-European country" where "popular support for European partnership has always been above average".
Prodi je nadaljeval, da ni treba začeti z nič in izumljati nečesa novega, saj so oktobra 2004 skoraj vse države podpisale Pogodbo o ustavi za Evropo, ki jo je kasneje ratificiralo 18 članic, vendar pa se zadnji dve leti posluša le glas evroskeptikov, ne pa glas tistih, ki so ustavo ratificirali.
In late 2006, 75% of Dutch people had declared their support for EU membership.
Pri oblikovanju evropske integracije se je vedno poslušalo argumente "drugih", tistih, ki so dvomili v smiselnost projekta in se jih je poskušalo prepričati, kar naj bi nadaljevali tudi v prihodnje, pri čemer pa se od njih pričakuje enakopravna obravnava zamisli o bolj povezani Uniji: "Z vsemi močmi bomo pomagali nemškemu in portugalskemu predsedstvu, da ohranita, kolikor je le mogoče, naše zamisli o Uniji, pri čemer je treba nameniti vso pozornost argumentom drugih.
Still, "a clear majority of voters rejected the Constitutional Treaty in 2005" and now "we must come up with a mutually acceptable solution that does justice to the concerns" this had brought to light.
Kakšna bo vloga parlamenta?
Things have changed quickly.
Njegove naloge?
Too quickly for some people’s tastes.
Bomo imeli stalno predsedstvo in zunanjega ministra?
We must allow time for a sense of solidarity to grow."
Kako se bo sestavljala Komisija?"
This was obviously a bridge too far."
Moramo še enkrat dobro premisliti, preden se odločimo, da to besedilo zavrnemo ali ga deloma vključimo v obstoječe sporazume.
Moving on to the Dutch government's view of how the EU should proceed on the Constitution, he said the new treaty should have two main goals.
Vendar pa tukaj povem, da sem prepričam, da bomo s tem izgubili nekaj zelo pomembnega!
We need to continue with the Monnet method: moving ahead via small, but significant increments.
Za nas, ki verjamemo v evropski projekt, bo to zelo velika žrtev in visoka cena za tiste, ki so ustavo ratificirali.
Secondly, "a more robust subsidiarity test, with an important role for national parliaments."
Zato so korenite spremembe institucionalnih reform nesprejemljive.
The institutional proposals made in the Constitutional Treaty were a step in the right direction.
Želim si, da bi bilo tako in za to se bom tudi prizadeval.
These criteria should therefore be included the new Treaty."
Razumem pa tudi, da to ni vedno mogoče.
"Europe has come a long way in 50 years", said Mr Balkenende.
Že zdaj v določenih projektih, kot sta evro in schengensko območje, sodelujejo le nekatere članice.
"Together we can set a good example in tackling climate change, poverty and security issues.
Opozoril je, da Italija ne želi kompromisa za vsako ceno in če je kompromis ne bo prepričal, ga ne bo podpisala.
Joseph DAUL (EPP-ED, FR), on behalf of his group, said that the Netherlands was "a country which is perhaps the most open to the European spirit".
V tem primeru bi lahko bila ustrezna rešitev večja integracija skupine držav, ki bi pustile odprta vrata za ostale.
Despite this, the Dutch people, like the French, had voted No to the constitution.
"Zavedati pa se moramo, da si ne smemo privoščiti neuspeha, sicer bo žrtev ideja o Evropi, ki je igralec na svetovnem prizorišču zaradi vrednot, na katerih temelji.
"That certainly means that in the eyes of the majority, the great majority of them, Europe is not sufficiently legitimate, not credible enough, not effective enough".
Tvegamo, da bomo zaradi geografije postali le zahodni privesek azijske celine," je zaključil italijanski premier Romano Prodi.
Consequently, "We must persuade the Europeans that our shared project is not just beneficial but absolutely indispensable".
Pred evropskim vrhom, do katerega so le še štirje tedni, moramo ustvariti jasno vizijo, kako naprej, prizadevati si moramo za zbliževanje stališč.
Lastly, on enlargement, he firmly believed that "Europe cannot bring in new members until it has resolved its internal problems".
Uspeh bo, če se bomo ukvarjali s pravimi vprašanji - porazdelitev pristojnosti med Unijo in članicami, stalno predsedstvo, kako na mednarodni ravni govoriti z enim glasom.
Therefore the priority must be to reach swift agreement on the institutional issues, the key ones being "citizens' rights and the decision-making process".
Potrebujemo politični zagon, da bomo postali akter na mednarodni ravni.
Socialist group leader Martin SCHULZ (DE) welcomed Mr Balkenende's comment that it was time to “concentrate on what unites us rather than what divides us.
Potrebujemo enotnost na gospodarskem in trgovskem področju, s čimer bodo tudi naši partnerji spoštovali enaka pravila na davčnem, okoljskem gospodarskem in socialnem področju.
Hitherto, it has seemed that the Netherlands was focussing on what divided us – if you are now ready to go for compromises rather than demanding massive changes in Europe, then I am ready to make a deal with you, and defend you in the Netherlands.”
Mislim, da smo na pravi poti.
A Europe of 27, he said, could not operate on the basis of Nice, or “Nice minus”.
Prevladati mora občutek odgovornosti, skupni interes, tako pri politikih kot v javnem mnenju."
He said the point was not symbols like the flags or the anthem, or the title of the treaty, but the content.
Martin SCHULZ (PES, DE): "Vaše besede so bile zelo jasne - če se bomo s tako jasnostjo lotili vprašanj, se nimamo ničesar bati.(...)
“Yesterday Mr Prodi said he wanted 100 per cent of the constitution, if you want 50 per cent, we can meet halfway at 75 per cent, with no anthem, no flag and a foreign minister with a different title.”
Nica je bila minimalni kompromis, zato je konvencija pripravila ustavo za razširjeno Evropo in bila je zavrnjena.
Graham WATSON (UK), leader of the ALDE group, said that the previous day a great champion of Europe, Romano Prodi, had sketched a vision of an EU that was democratic, transparent and effective – but it would need firm leadership to achieve this.
Prav, toda ali to pomeni, da tisto, kar je držalo leta 2000, ne drži več?
Referring to comments by the Dutch Foreign Minister that people were afraid of losing their jobs, social security and quality of life, Mr Watson agreed, but said these were reasons for more Europe, not less.
Toda 18 držav je ratificiralo ustavno pogodbo, od tega dve na referendumu - Španija in Luksemburg.
Failing to unite politically would leave Europe at the mercy of powers like Russia.
Zakaj dovolimo, da se ves čas govori le o Franciji in Nizozemski?
When the debate centred on symbols like flags and anthems rather than substance, it was time to change strategy, he said.
Zakaj ne govorimo o tem, da je več ljudi podprlo ustavo kot je glasovalo proti.
“Stop letting the tail wag the dog, lead the Netherlands back to the heart of Europe,” advised Mr Watson.
EU je model uspeha, socialne stabilnosti, miru, gospodarske rasti, izvažanja vrednot za osnove politike na mednarodni ravni.
Speaking for the UEN group, Brian CROWLEY (IE) said he had been struck by Mr Balkenende's espousal of the ideals of compromise and consensus.
Kdor želi ohraniti ta model uspeha, mora marsikaj spremeniti v teh podlagah, pogodbah, ki jih imamo.
“Europe's future must be based on consensus – and that means equality between nations and peoples.”
Če želimo ohraniti, kar imamo, moramo spremeniti vse."
We could not all be forced down the same path, that just made it harder to reach agreement.
Graham WATSON (ALDE, UK): "Prednost Evrope ni v izolaciji, temveč v tem, da širimo, kar imamo najboljšega, izven naših meja.
“Future development will not come from telling people look at what they have thrown away, but from us convincing people that this is the right way to follow.”
Na naši celini nam je to uspelo, naši interesi, morda celo naše preživetje, so odvisni od izvažanja.
Energy, pensions, immigration, internal security – much could be achieved consensually, “but some things are still best left to Member States”.
V naslednjih 50 letih moramo izvoziti, kar smo ustvarili v preteklih petdeset.
He criticised Commissioner Kovacs for, as he put it, proposing tax harmonisation when the treaty did not allow for it.
Svet potrebuje globalni mehanizem, da bi dosegel soglasje o izzivih kot so podnebne spremembe, rast prebivalstva in noben model ni boljši od naše metode skupnosti, preizkušene v zadnjega pol stoletja.
This was “ideologically driven - if officialdom can ignore rules why should we follow them, people ask.”
Pa vendar nas nekateri želijo spreti.
The way forward to convince people was through “consensus, compromise and cooperation”.
Kaj naj rečemo evroskeptikom, ki pravijo, da Evropa ni več učinkovita, da je evropski sen ogrožen zaradi globalizacije in da integracija škodi nacionalni identiteti.
Kathalijne Maria BUITENWEG (Greens/EFA, NL) welcomed the fact that the Dutch Prime Minister had taken the opportunity to address the European Parliament.
Poslušajo, a ne slišijo.(...)
However, she said that Prime Minister Balkenende had a "selective hearing".
Ni časa za apatijo ali egocentrizem.
The people, she said, that had voted against the Constitution in the Netherlands had not done so because they wanted less changes to the EU, "are people really happy with the current EU?" she questioned.
Več Evrope in ne manj, je ključ za doseganje konkurenčnosti, varnosti, pravičnega sveta."
Eighty per cent of those that had voted "no" in the Netherlands, she said, had done so because they wanted to make the EU more democratic and more changes were needed.
Cristiana MUSCARDINI (UEN, IT): "Sprejeti moramo novo pogodbo, ki bo poenostavljena in bo Evropa bolj razumljiva našim državljanom.
Erik MEIJER (GUE/NGL, NL) said that only yesterday Prime Minister Prodi had told the European Parliament: "that we need to go back to our constituencies to convince people that we need the original Constitutional Treaty".
Toda rešitev ni v banaliziranju pomembnih težav.
He said that 85 per cent of the Dutch Parliament was in favour of the Constitutional Treaty.
Treba je dajati odgovore, ki iščejo rešitve, vendar ne takih, ki so v nasprotju z željami državljanov.
He also stated that it was Dutch national political parties that were in favour of the Constitutional Treaty that had pressed for a referendum yet the Dutch people rejected it.
Takšni načini ne vodijo k rezultatom, še posebej ne, če gre za poti, ki nam jih predlagajo že desetletja, a jih potem opustijo.
Finally, he remarked that the Dutch Prime Minister was in a "difficult situation" but he should not follow those that wanted to return to the original text.
Kriza je pomembna, prav nič banalna, iščemo rešitve, imamo pa vedno manj časa. (...)
Bastiaan BELDER (IND/DEM, NL) began by stating that "rather than talking about the Netherlands, we need to be talking to the Netherlands."
V krizi se včasih opustijo projekti, ki jih ni moč kratkoročno izvesti, po umiritvi razmer pa se okrepijo - skupna energijska politika, večja subsidiarnost, boj proti terorizmu, politična jasnost, preprečevanje nelojalne konkurence, kar vse vodi k krepitvi Evrope.
Mr Belder said that he understood the difficulties Prime Minister Balkenende had with the political aspirations of the Constitutional Treaty, "in particular the idea of having a permanent standing President."
Evropski državljani ne morejo zaupati državnikom, ki v Strasbourgu govorijo o nečem, a istočasno ne izvajajo projektov, ki so nujno potrebni."
Mr Belder therefore proposes the idea of "a tripartite Presidency for a year and a half, which is made up of one large, one medium-size and one small Member State."
Monica FRASSONI (Zeleni /EFA, IT): "Zeleni menimo, da je treba izpolniti nekaj osnovnih pogojev za izhod iz te krize.
This would, he said, "avoid the power just remaining in the hands of one and all member States would be given the opportunity to take part in the Presidency."
Osemnajst držav je že ratificiralo ustavno pogodbo - med njimi bi moralo nastati trdno zavezništvo z Evropskim parlamentom, Komisijo in nacionalnimi parlamenti.
Mr Belder also emphasised the need to be "clear where we are when it comes to the borders of the European Union", and that "there has to be greater co-operation between the European Parliament and the national parliaments."
Vi, vlade držav članic, pa bi morali imeti dovolj poguma, da se pogovorite z javnostjo tudi o vaših razlikah in o prihodnosti Evrope.
For the Identity, Tradition and Sovereignty group, Philip CLAEYS (BE) said that "Dutch voters clearly spoke out against the Constitutional Treaty" and added that "I hope that the voters will be given the opportunity to speak out not just in the Netherlands but in all Member States."
Ne moremo se skrivati za tajnimi pogajanji, ne smemo se bati razprave o tej zadevi.
Mr Claeys added that one the key issues to be addressed is "not just the institutional question" but "the fundamental question of what the borders of Europe should be."
Če se bodo vlade in državljani soočili z možnostjo izstopiti ali ne, bodo ostali v EU."
In particular, "whether or not a country such as Turkey should be allowed to accede."
Francis WURTZ (GUE/NGL, FR): "Kaj mislite o spremembi terminologije, ne da bi spremenili pravno podlago, torej da bi spremenili ime ustavne pogodbe?
Mr Claeys concluded by saying that "we seem to be acting here in Europe as if there's nothing going on" and yet "we cannot accept the threats and the arrogance that is being expressed in this respect."
Kako si predstavljate, da ustavne pogodbe ne bi imenovali tako?
"One has to ask how much energy has been wasted on chasing the moonbeams of a European constitution?" asked Jim ALLISTER (UK), speaking for the Non-attached Members.
Razjasniti je treba vlogo parlamenta in vprašanje stalnega predsedstva Sveta EU.
"Part of the reason why the EU institutions are stuck in this rut", Mr Allister continued, "is because of the refusal to take a democratic 'No' for an answer."
Pojavljajo se vedno nova vprašanja in nihče od vas nanje ne odgovori.
Andrew DUFF (ALDE, UK) expressed puzzlement and concern at three elements in the PM Balkenende's speech.
Tudi liberalni gospodarstveniki se sprašujejo, kam nas bo pripeljal ta koncept, prosti pretok kapitala, investicij, pa tudi plenilcev - kaj mislite o tem?
"Firstly, your determination to keep the three pillar structure will contribute neither to simplifying nor to making more transparent the system of the Union [applause], nor will it strengthen the capacity of the Union to act effectively.
Kaj menite o davčni vojni, kaj o statutu ECB, o protekcionizmu določenih sektorjev, kako se lahko ločimo do preteklosti?
As we all know, sovereignty cannot be transferred and competencies cannot be conferred without the full agreement of 27 Member States.
Kje se začne prosta konkurenca in kje zaščiteni trgi?"
The setting up of an effective third legislative Chamber would be quite the opposite of simplifying - an abuse of the principle of the separation of powers and would certainly confuse the public."
Nigel FARAGE (IND/DEM, UK): "Poudarjate vero v združene države Evrope, pohvaliti vas moram za odkritost, čeprav se z vami ne strinjam. (...)
Timothy KIRKHOPE (EPP-ED, UK) stated that the June Summit will be an important one, and he believed that the German Presidency is keen to reach an outline agreement then.
Prosim, ne začenjajmo s tem, da omenjamo le francoske in nizozemske rezultate na referendumu.
You said recently at your bilateral meeting with the Prime Minister that any new amending treaty should not have the characteristics of a constitution.
Veliko evropskih državljanov si želi možnost odločitve, ne odrivajte javnega mnenja, pustite ljudi, da se odločajo sami o svoji usodi."
Mr Kirkhope wholeheartedly agreed that any new amending treaty should not have the characteristics of a constitution.