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Hr. O'Reilly, sidst i tresserne næredes der håb - eller var det kun illusioner - om, at en fælles erhvervsuddannelsespolitik kunne bidrage til den samfundspolitiske udvikling og til den europæiske integration.
joint vocational training policies would contribute towards the development of social policies and European integration.
Er det Deres opfattelse, at disse forhåbninger stadig har udsigt til at blive til noget?
Do you think any of the hopes expressed then are still likely to be fulfilled?
værende muligheder. Jeg kan vanskeligt se, hvordan man skal kunne klare udviklingen af europæisk socialpolitik og gennemføre europæisk integration uden at have en fælles indstilling til erhvervsuddannelserne.
Council adopted a decision establishing a general principle for implementing a common vocational training policy.
Traktatens grundlæggende princip er den frie bevægelighed for personer, tjeneste ydelser og kapital mellem medlemsstaterne. Når man ophæver tolden, opstår der uvægerligt industrielle tilpasningsproblemer, til hvis løsning erhvervsuddannelse og omskoling udgør vigtige midler.
Many of the themes in that decision are today very relevant, for example, initial vocational training for all, closely linked with general education, continuing training, harmonization of training levels and examination standards, mutual recognition of standards, etc.
Man kunne gøre gældende, at en »aftale« opnåedes så tidligt som i 1963, da Rådet vedtog en resolution, der fastsatte de almindelige principper for gennemførelse af en virkelig erhvervsuddannelsespolitik.
I would certainly agree, to go back to your question, that actual progress has fallen far short of what was intended.
Mange af emnerne i denne resolution er den dag i dag yderst relevante, f.eks. grundlæggende erhvervsuddannelse for alle i snæver forbindelse med den almindelige undervisning, voksenuddannelse, harmonisering af ud dannelsesniveauer og eksamensbetingelser, fælles anerkendelse af standarder etc.
I think myself that in retrospect the aspirations, though acceptable in principle, were unrealistic in practice, because they failed to take sufficient account of the cultural, social and institutional differences between Member States.
Dersom vi formindsker eller prøver på at formindske uligheden mellem rige og fattige egne, får vi brug for økonomiske og sociale programmer, hvori erhvervsuddannelserne indtager en væsentlig rolle.
If we reduce, or try to reduce, disparity between richer and poorer regions, we need economic and social programmes in which vocational training has a significant role.
Når vi taler om skabelse af et fælles arbejdsmarked, må vi tænke i baner, hvori der indgår omfattende vandringsbevægelser inden for Fællesskabet med deraf følgende krav om erhvervsuddannelse.
If we talk about creating a common labour market, we must think in terms of considerable intra-Community migration, with its attendant requirement of vocational training.
Over hele Fællesskabet findes der dårligt stillede persongrupper, for hvilke en fælles holdning til erhvervsuddannelsen er en absolut nødvendighed, dersom de ikke skal gå hen og blive endnu dårligere stillet på det fælles arbejdsmarked.
And right across the Community there are disadvantaged categories of persons where a common vocational training approach is absolutely essential, if "they are not to be further disadvantaged within a common labour market.
Jeg tror, at det er fornuftigt først at huske på, at Det europæiske økonomiske Fælles skab til trods for sit navn og det forhold, at publikums opmærksomhed hyppigt henledes på manglende enighed i forbindelse med økonomiske anliggender, ikke udelukkende beskæftiger sig med økonomiske problemer.
I think that a good starting point is to remind ourselves that despite its title and the public attention which regularly attends lack of agreement on this or that economic issue, the EEC is not concerned exclusively with economic affairs.
Det samfundsmæssige indtager en betydningsfuld plads i traktaten om oprettelse af Fællesskaberne.
Social issues have been given an important place in the founding Treaty.
Eksempelvis står der i traktatens præambel, »gennem fælles handling at sikre økonomiske og sociale fremskridt for deres lande ved at fjerne de skranker, der deler Europa«.
For example, in the preamble to the Treaty all the Member States declare their resolve 'to ensure by common action the economic and social progress of their countries by eliminating the barriers which divide Europe'.
Jeg tror, at erhvervsuddannelserne sandsynligvis er et af de tydeligste eksempler på politik, der skaber sammenhæng mellem Fællesskaber nes økonomiske og sociale mål, fordi de dels har til formål at forsyne et til stadighed vekslende erhvervsliv med den kunnen og viden, det har brug for, og dels bistå befolkningen med at udvikle evner og anlæg fuldt ud og tilpasse dem til de forhånden-
I think that vocational training is probably one of the clearest examples of a policy which links the EEC's economic and social objectives because, on the one hand, it sets out to provide changing economies with the knowledge and skills they require while, on the other, helping individuals to develop their capacities and inclinations to the full, and match them to available opportunities.
Men for at vende tilbage til Deres spørgsmål skal jeg villigt indrømme, at de reelle frem skridt langt fra er nået op på det niveau, hvorom man havde planer.
That sounds very good, but is it not just a statement of objectives such as one might have had 10-15 years ago!
Når jeg ser tilbage, synes jeg, at forhåbningerne, selv om de i princippet var acceptable, var urealistiske i praksis, fordi de undlod at tage tilstrækkeligt hensyn til de kulturelle, sam fundsmæssige og institutionelle forskelle medlemsstaterne imellem.
Everyday we hear of agreements on how many tonnes of cod may be fished or how much a farmer should get for his milk, and yet in terms of actual decision on vocational training, not very much has been achieved. Do you think really that a common vocational training policy is feasible?
En senere med delelse fra Fællesskaberne taler om hensyn tagen til undervisnings — og uddannelsessystemernes forskelligartethed som værende hjørnestenen i en fællesskabspolitik. Sådan bør det også være, hvis fællesskabs politikken skal kunne virke, og heri ligger der også en langt større erkendelse af virke ligheden.
A more recent Community communication which states: 'Respect for the diversity of the educational and vocational training systems and practice is a cornerstone in the policy of the Community.
Hver medlemsstat har udviklet sit eget erhvervsuddannelsessystem, som værner om kulturelle værdier, og hvorom man
Each Member State has developed its own unique vocational education and training system which enshrines cultural values, which are not open to political trading in the same way as fish, to take your example.
Vi hører hver eneste dag om aftaler om, hvor mange tons torsk, der må fiskes, eller om hvor meget bønderne skal have for mælken, medens der med hensyn til reelle beslutninger om erhvervsuddannelse ikke er opnået synderlig meget. Tror De virkelig, at en
DR ARTHUR O'REILLY, Chairman of the Management Board of Cedefop, who is also Manager of Planning Research & Development in AnCO, the Industrial Training Authority in Ireland One could argue that an 'agreement' was reached as far back as 1963, when the
viden og holdning, der er nødvendig for at de kan finde arbejde, beholde det og opnå avancement.
Could we look at Cedefop's role over the last 10 years?
Uddannelsen prøver på at til passe arbejdskraften efter de ændrede for hold på arbejdspladserne, uanset om der er tale om tekniske ændringer, nye beskæftigelsesformer eller hvad det nu måtte være.
You have been involved with its Management Board for most of that time.
Hvor vigtig er arbejdsmarkedsparternes rolle med hensyn til definition af erhvervsuddannelsespolitikken og groft sagt med hensyn til dens gennemførelse?
Cedefop is sometimes held up as a model of cooperation between social partners and governments at Community level, but at national level, do you know of similar models of cooperation?
Jeg tror, at samtlige medlemsstater til stadighed prøver på at afpasse deres systemer efter de skiftende tider, men de er mindre indstillet på at acceptere en kontrollerende indflydelse fra en fælles instans, end det er tilfældet inden for mange andre områder.
controlling influence from the Community centre than many other policy areas.
På den anden side mener jeg også, at det er vigtigt at have en fælles indstilling til erhvervsuddannelsen, hvis det fælles marked skal kunne fungere effektivt af de samme grunde som jeg nævnte i mit svar på Deres første spørgsmål.
At the same time, I think a common approach to vocational training is essential if the common market is to function efficiently, for the reasons mentioned in response to your first question.
Men en sådan fælles holdning skal tage hensyn til de kulturelle forskelle.
But this common approach must take account of cultural differences.
For mig understreger det en ting, som vi længe har sagt hos CEDEFOP, nemlig at det, der er alvorlig brug for, og det er måske det første krav i forbindelse med en fælles holdning, er en langt større bevidsthed om og forståelse af erhvervsuddannelsen i medlemsstaterne og af de værdier, der danner grundlaget der for.
This to me underlines one of the things that we have been saying in Cedefop for quite some time — that what is needed badly, and perhaps this is the first requirement as far as a common approach is concerned, is a much greater awareness and understanding of vocational training in the Member States and the values underlying them. I accept that this is more difficult to achieve, however, than it appears.
Men jeg indrømmer, at det er vanskeligere at gennemføre, end man umiddelbart skulle tro.
I know of similarly constituted boards in training organizations in other countries.
Det spørgsmål tror jeg, at jeg kan svare meget kort på.
Is there a certain amount of window dressing in this respect?
Erhvervsuddannelse er en væsentlig bestanddel af arbejdsmarkeds politikken, og jeg kan ikke forestille mig en arbejdsmarkedspolitik, der ikke har ar bejdsgivere, arbejdstagere og myndigheder, der indtager komplementære roller med hensyn til udvikling af erhvervsuddannelser, der er relevante, gennemførlige og politisk acceptable.
Do you think in that connection that a problem is a definition of the role of vocational training and perhaps the changes which it has undergone during the last 10 years, say since the crisis of the mid 1970s which changed the position from one of almost full employment to one in which now there are far more people looking for jobs than jobs available?
Af og til nævnes CEDEFOP som et eksempel på samarbejde mellem arbejdsmarkedsparterne og myndighederne på fællesskabsplan. Kender De tilsvarende eksempler på nationalt plan?
Well, it would probably take me a long time to answer this fully, but I recently had the pleasure of attending press meetings to mark Cedefop's 10th anniversary, and I repeat now what I said then that Cedefop can be justifiably proud of its contribution to the development of vocational training.
O'Reilly: Den institution, jeg kommer fra, AnCO, har også en tresidet styrelse og en række tresidede sektorielle rådgivende udvalg, og jeg kender styrelser i andre landes erhvervsuddannelsessystemer, der er sammensat på tilsvarende måde. Er det ikke lidt af et paradenummer?
The Centre's list of publications in itself is testimony to the very wide scope of vocational training matters to which such a small institution - and it is a small institution - has contributed, and on its ability to identify and respond to changing needs and priorities throughout the Community.
Tror De i denne forbindelse, at en af vanskelighederne ligger i definitionen af erhvervsuddannelsernes rolle eller måske i de ændringer, den har undergået igennem den sidste halve snes år, altså siden krisen begyndte i midten af halvfjerdserne, hvor situationen ændredes fra praktisk talt fuld beskæftigelse til en situation, der kende tegnes af, at der nu er langt flere mennesker, der søger arbejde, end der er ledige pladser, der skal besættes.
I don't think so, because I consulted my governmental colleagues on the Cedefop Board recently about this in a slightly different context, and we were absolutely unanimous in saying that this tripartite arrangement is a very sensible basis on which to build cooperation in vocational training.
Er det dens opgave at placere den enkelte på rette hylde?
Is its role to fit round pegs into round holes?
Er det dens opgave kun at optræde som »politibetjent«, der regulerer trafikken, eller har den en bredere og måske mere udviklingsbetonet opgave?
Is its role like a policeman regulating traffic, or does it have a broader and perhaps a more developmental role?
Nej, det tror jeg ikke. Da jeg for nylig i en anden forbindelse talte med mine kolleger i CEDEFOPs bestyrelse herom, var der fuld enstemmighed om at sige, at den tresidede ordning er et yderst fornuftigt grundlag for samarbejde inden for erhvervsuddannelsessektoren.
On a theoretical basis I am sure everybody will agree, but do the social partners really have the resources in terms of personnel and time to become involved, particularly in countries where the social partner organizations are less wealthy, in the sort of planning and decision-making processes necessary for implementing vocational training policies?
Det vil kræve lang tid for mig at svare på dette spørgsmål, hvis svaret skal være udtømmende, men jeg havde for nylig den glæde at deltage i nogle pressemøder i forbindelse med tiårsdagen for CEDEFOPs oprettelse, og jeg vil gerne gentage det, som jeg sagde ved denne lejlighed, nemlig at CEDEFOP med rette kan være stolt over sit bidrag til erhvervsuddannelsernes udvikling.
The idea of Cedefop goes back quite a long way - and I don't intend to go into that here — but it goes back in fact to the Paris conference of the Heads of State or Government in 1972. The social action programme which was adopted by the Council in January 1974 noted the priority 'to implement a common vocational training policy with a view to obtaining progressively the principal objectives thereof, especially with approximation of training standards, in particular by setting up a European Vocational Training Centre'.
Listen over de af CEDEFOP udgivne publikationer er i sig selv et vid nesbyrd om de meget alsidige aspekter af erhvervsuddannelserne, hvortil denne lille institution — for der er faktisk tale om en lille institution - har bidraget.
I have already said that if the Community is to achieve that objective, it needs a much better understanding of vocational training policies and systems and on that note, I would refer to the particularly valuable role that Cedefop has to play, and has been playing in reaching a common policy, through fostering the exchange of information and experience.
CEDEFOP har også haft evne til at opsøge og til at reagere på de ændrede behov og prioriteringer i Fællesskabets medlemsstater.
Once upon a time, there were a lot of round holes, and I think the problem then was seen to be one of finding or adapting the pegs to fit them, basically through vocational guidance, education and training, selection and placement.
Som jeg ligeledes sagde på pressekonferencen, har det kun kunnet gøres takket være en stor indsats fra CEDEFOPs ansattes side og det beredvillige samarbejde, vi nyder godt at fra alle dem, der i de forskellige lande beskæftiger sig med erhvervsuddannelserne, fra Kommissionen og ikke mindst takket være den store interesse, der via bestyrelsen lægges for dagen af medlemsstaterne, ar bejdsgiver- og arbejdstagersammenslutningerne.
To stay with your analogy, I think wc now have a situation where there are not enough holes to go round, and even the holes that are there are tending to change shape on an increasing basis. Vocational training to me is still very much concerned with giving people the skills, knowledge and the attitudes to find, keep and advance in employment.
Tanken om CEDEFOP er ikke af ny dato — men det skal vi ikke komme ind på ved denne lejlighed - idet den faktisk går tilbage til stats- og regeringschefernes møde i Paris i 1972.
It is concerned with helping people to adapt to the changing needs of the work place, whether it is due to changes in technology, new forms of employment or whatever.
Det sociale handlingsprogram, der af Rådet vedtoges i januar 1974, taler om »iværksættelse af en fælles politik for faglig uddannelse med henblik på grad-
I think it's also now playing a growing role in making new holes, for example in promoting community and local employment initiatives, and we must not forget that even in a situation of high unemployment there are still skill-shortages that must be faced and met, through vocational training.
Der var engang, hvor der var masser af ledige stillinger; og dengang var problemet, så vidt jeg kan se, at finde eller at tilpasse folk til beskæftigelsen hovedsagelig ved hjælp af erhvervsvejledning, erhvervsuddannelse, udvælgelse og anvisningsarbejde.
How important is the role of the social partners in terms of defining vocational training policies and, perhaps in broad terms, in their implementation?
Efter min opfattelse beskæftiger er hvervsuddannelsen sig fremdeles i høj grad med at bibringe folk de kvalifikationer, den
Are you suggesting then that Cedefop shouldn't perhaps be judged just in terms of its contribution directly to Community policy making, but also on its indirect contribution to that process by favouring and supporting the exchange of information between people within the Member States?
Teoretisk er jeg sikker på, at alle er enige heri, men har arbejdsmarkedspartnerne virkelig de nødvendige ressourcer med hensyn til personale og tid, til at de især i de lande, hvor arbejdsmarkedsparternes organisationer ikke råder over så mange penge, kan deltage i det planlægnings- og beslutningstagningsarbejde, som er nødvendigt for gennemførelse af en erhvervsuddannelsespolitik? sespolitik?
It may be that for practical reasons we may have to find other ways than involving everybody directly, but I would not envisage, and I would not like to see envisaged, a solution in which full consultation between government, employers and workers in any Member State was not carried out and the respective views of all three made an integral part of the consultative process that goes into, for example, putting Cedefop's work programme together. I think the inputs are essential.
kan være større behov end det nuværende for udvidelse af mulighedernes horisont.
let's face it there could hardly be a greater need than now for expanding the horizon of possibilities.
min mening komme til at udgøre en glimrende og uvurderlig oplysningscentral, og i 1985 skal CEDEFOP efter opfordring fra Kommissionen gennemføre et omfattende studiebesøgsprogram for alle, der har med erhvervsuddannelserne at gøre for direkte at øge kendskabet til og erfaringerne i forbindelse med prioriterede emner samt for at fremme yderligere samarbejde og udveksling.
You have emphasized in Cedefop's programme the area of exchange of information, the documentation network and so on.
Det er tit sagt, at selv små institutioner som CEDEFOP, der virkelig har prøvet på hurtigt at få udarbejdet og fremlagt sine rapporter, er for længe om at fremkomme med resultaterne, fordi selve dataindsamlingen og drøftelserne pá fællesskabsplan har tilbøjelighed til at tage for lang tid.
Cedefop is fast becoming the European databank on vocational training which individuals or organizations can immediately use as a source of ready information even if it is only a name, a contact point, a reference concerned with the vocational training area.
Er der ikke fare for, at Deres forslag medfører, at vi bliver for teoretiske og virkelighedsfjerne?
There are 20 000 individuals and institutions who get regular information through Cedefop on the latest developments in vocational training throughout the Community and elsewhere.
Eller om De vil, hvad bør Nej, det ønsker jeg på ingen måde.
You wouldn't necessarily emphasize then the need for quick results.
Det er en CEDEFOP koncentrere sig om i de kom af CEDEFOPs store fordele, at institutio mende fem eller ti år? nen indtager en meget pragmatisk holdning til tingene. Det, jeg taler for, er ligevægt
It has often been said that, even in a small organization like Cedefop, which has tried to produce reports quickly, the very process at Community level of data collection and discussion tends to produce reports too late.
Det vil især sige udveksling medlemsstater ne imellem.
Is there not a danger in what you are suggesting that we will become more academic and removed from reality?
Det spørgsmål bryder jeg mig ikke om at mellem det kortfristede og det mere langfri besvare nu, da bestyrelsen netop i øjeblikket stede.
Well, I don't think I will try to answer that question, because the Board is currently in the process of putting together guidelines for the work of the Centre in (he next three years.
Jeg synes, at det er uklogt at lægge hovedvægten på det kort- og mellemfristede uden samtidig at vise det langfristede en vis opmærksomhed.
Could I just say one thing, on a very personal note, that as the Centre was set up to develop and I emphasize the word develop, vocational training, I would personally like to see Cedefop taking a longer term look at vocational training, — for example to the year 2001.
Selvfølgelig er vi alle stærkt optaget af dagens og morgendagens problemer, men vi skal samtidig også have blikket rettet længere frem.
When the Centre was being established, the European Parliament stressed the need for the Centre to enjoy autonomy and to have the power of initiative, anticipating perhaps the need for new and more imaginative solutions to the kind of employment and training problems we now have.
Det behøver ikke at kræve nogen ' særlig omfattende indsats.
I think we should use that gift which the Parliament wanted to give us, and
er i færd med at udarbejde retningslinjerne for CEDEFOPs arbejde i de kommende tre år.
The seminars and conferences that Cedefop runs itself, the contribution that Cedefop's staff make to conferences in Member States, I think, have made a very notable contribution to information exchanges.
Rent personligt vil jeg blot ønske en enkelt ting, nemlig at CEDEFOP, da institutionen jo er oprettet med henblik på udvikling, og jeg understreger ordet udvikling, af erhvervsuddannelse, ville anlægge et lidt mere langfristet syn på erhvervsuddannelsen, for eksempel frem til år 2001. Ved CEDEFOPs oprettelse understregede Europa-Parlamentet nødvendigheden af, at CEDEFOP fik selvstændighed og initiativ ret, så der blev skabt mulighed for at
The cooperative documentation network which Cedefop is setting up between the Member States and which is now well advanced is, I think, going to provide an excellent and invaluable information resource centre, and in 1985 Cedefop will organize a programme of intensive study visits at the request of the Commission for those involved in vocational training, directly to enrich knowledge and experience on priority
Tyve tusind personer og institutioner mod tager regelmæssigt fra CEDEFOP information om det nyeste på området såvel inden for som uden for Fællesskabet.
I think that to concentrate all our resources on the short to medium term without paying some attention to the longer term, would be unwise.
De af CEDEFOP afholdte møder og konferencer og de af CEDEFOPs medarbejdere ydede
All of us are very much concerned with today's problems and indeed tomorrow's problems but we also need to look further down the road.
Samtale med Felix Kempf mand er de aktiv i hele forbundsrepublikken, og De må nødvendigvis have et videre udsyn.
Interview with Felix Kempf are active at national level in the Federal Republic, and you are bound to look beyond the national frontiers.
Men tror De alt i alt, at fagforbundene i Europa på alle niveauer går tilstrækkeligt ind for arbejdstagernes erhvervsmæssige uddannelse?
On the whole, would you say that trade unions in Europe, at all levels, do enough for the vocational training of the workers?