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Kun en total afvisning af europæisk valgret og forbeholdelse af den ret for personer, som opfylder nationalitetskravene, er acceptabel for os. Ikke mere, men heller ikke mindre.
However, it must be said, Mr President-in-Office, that your answer was unacceptable in terms of both substantive and procedural law.
Imidlertid beviser denne forhandling endnu en gang, at nærhedsprincippet blot er en vittighed for de eurofile, en lap papir, som ikke respekteres.
Article 12 is consistent with Article 8b, but Article 12(2) is not, because it refers only to an individual country and also to only one area, namely to a specific district of residence, making the franchise dependent on domicile.
Og så jamrer man alligevel over borgernes skepsis og deres afvisning af Europa.
That is no longer covered by 8b and also conflicts with Article 6.
Jeg vil slutte med at sige, at i betragtning af, at det ikke havde ændret situationen, hvis procedurefejlen ikke var blevet begået, vil jeg stemme for hr. Casinis forslag til beslutning og ændringsforslagene fra PPE.
In addition we ought to prevent any delay in implementing the directive, owing to the difficulty of adapting the municipal electoral law to the rules of the directive, since what is at stake is a fundamental freedom and not a mere rule of electoral procedure.
Ullmann (V). — (DE) Fru formand, uden unionsborgerskab bliver Den Europæiske Union aldrig en politisk union og
On the other hand we should think about the discriminatory legal situation which arises when citizens of third countries
Cot (PSE). — (FR) Hr. minister, det glæder mig, at De har svaret på vor mundtlige forespørgsel, selv om Rådet ikke havde til hensigt at gøre det, for i denne sag har Rådet desværre ikke opført sig særlig pænt.
In another instance when the European Parliament had not voted as the Council would have wished, you discussed openly in the Legal Affairs Committee how the right of codetermination could perhaps be curbed again.
Rådet har undladt at medtage vore vigtigste ændringsforslag og dermed i alvorlig grad begrænset udøvelsen af de europæiske borgeres rettigheder.
Vanhecke (NI). — (NL) Madam President, I have two minutes' speaking time in which to make two points on this important subject.
som følge af vrantne diskussioner i Parlamentet. Vi kan ikke tillade os nu også at indhylle den valgret i tåge.
I would like to add, Minister, my anxiety about the Council's reluctance to accept democratic scrutiny in areas affecting liberties, citizenship and the third pillar.
Hvem tror i øvrigt, at der efter en ophævelse hurtigt kommer et nyt, bedre direktiv?
In these areas, which are so sensitive to public opinion, it is dangerous to create a zone in which democracy, and in some cases even the law, does not apply.
I denne paradoksale situation må vi resolut vælge borgemes side. At give vore prærogativer forrang ville være uforsigtigt i denne sag og vidne om uansvarlig optræden.
In this respect, I feel that by lending credence to the view that you shy away from political debate and legal scrutiny in the sector of human rights and citizens' rights, you are making yourselves vulnerable to the kind of criticism expressed by the previous speaker: it is a mistake.
Rådet har indført en undtagelse for Belgien og mere specifikt Bruxelles og omegn, hvis jeg har forstået det rigtigt.
Firstly one basic point: in my view it is a completely unacceptable expression of the infamous Euro-interference that Member States are told who may or may not vote in municipal elections.
En undtagelse, der er politisk beklagelig, da Bruxelles og omegn, så vidt jeg ved, jo er hovedsæde for Rådet, hovedsæde for Kommissionen og arbejdssted for Parlamentet, og ud fra den synsvinkel er det meget uheldigt rent symbolsk, at det netop er her, at man begrænser de europæiske borgeres rettigheder.
In a healthy Europe governed by the principle of subsidiarity it is obviously up to the Member States themselves to determine this, but this is all being Europeanised around a meaningless 'European citizenship'.
Ikke for at anvende den vidt og bredt. Det fraråder jeg sandelig mine partifæller på kommunalt plan, men jeg står alligevel bag den, fordi den viser, at Unionen i sin beslutningsproces er parat til at tage hensyn til den virkelige situation på området, at tage hensyn til møjsommeligt etablerede forhold mellem sprogområder, samfund og regioner.
The utter failure of this experiment and the fiasco of the last European elections have shown that no-one is taking the slightest notice of this right to vote in European elections and that the reality is anything but what some people claim here.
Unionsborgerskabet i det lokale demokrati forsones her med den politisk-kulturelle situation i visse kommuner.
Thyssen (PPE). — (NL) Madam President, some people here are unhappy with the derogation granted to Belgium.
Borgerne forventer af os, at vi også viser forståelse herfor, for denne undtagelse er i hvert fald for de flamske europæere af uvurderlig, principiel betydning.
More people are unhappy at the way in which this derogation came about and nearly everyone is disappointed that the presidency took refuge behind flimsy procedural rules to avoid giving Parliament an answer.
Det er også en tvivlsom undtagelse rent juridisk af de grunde, mine kolleger har anført, og som jeg ikke vil gentage.
We would have had this debate even without the answer from the Council.
Jeg mener derfor, at vi bør have endnu en høring af Parlamentet.
There would have been a point to it even in its absence because we are an open institution.
Jeg synes, der er et vist underskud i denne pligt til loyalt samarbejde.
Alas we cannot say the same of it because only lip service is paid to transparency in the Council ranks.
Larive (ELDR). — (NL) Fru formand, for det første vedrørende den spanske situation: Der hersker indignation overalt i Parlamentet.
Then a second comment on the specific situation in Belgium.
Jeg spørger mig selv, om det her drejer sig om hykleri eller uvidenhed. Det drejer sig jo om bilaterale aftaler på grundlag af gensidighed.
The socalled 20% derogation rule does not offer the slightest solution to the Flemish communities in Flemish Brabant which are under threat to their identity and language.
Spaniere i Nederlandene, Sverige og Danmark har lokal valgret dér, og derfor får nederlænderne samme ret i Spanien. Så enkelt er det: altså ingen diskrimination mod andre.
There is not one single Flemish community that qualifies for the 20% rule which was introduced at the behest of the French speakers and in an attempt to bind the Germanspeaking majority of three municipalities in the Eastern cantons.
Jeg synes, det er farligt på disse for den brede offentlighed meget følsomme områder at skabe et udemokratisk, ja endog undertiden lovløst område.
Only the total rejection of the Euro vote and restriction of this right to people who meet the nationality requirements is acceptable to us.
Det bør ikke ske.
No more and no less than that.
For det andet: Alle unionsborgere får den valgret fra I. januar 1996 af.
Is there anything more we can do in addition to making our political point?
Wijsenbeek har allerede sagt det: Atter hykleri her. nu fra Rådet.
Some colleagues are talking of taking the Council to court to declare their action invalid.
Hverken det spanske valg i maj eller det franske valg i juni falder ind under direktivet.
Fortunately that view was not shared by the majority in the Legal Affairs Committee.
Spanien havde som formand for Rådet kunnet være den, der stolt førte an i feltet, og kunnet iværksætte direktivet. Også her mangler der politisk vilje.
The Belgian derogation, despite its major political significance, is in fact only limited in application both substantively and geographically.
Derfor er det sådan, at i mit første år som medlem af Europa-Parlamentet rammer Rådets ringeagt mig dobbelt, først under tysk for mandskab og nu under fransk formandskab.
The Council has discarded our principal amendments, and so has seriously restricted the exercise of the right of European citizenship.
Men jeg finder mig ikke stiltiende i det.
Even though it had a perfect right to do so, I regret that this right was exercised.
Vi burde også have ført den forhandling uden svar fra Rådet.
Anyone familiar with the law knows that there was little chance of success in that direction.
Selv uden dets tilstedeværelse havde den stadig haft en vis mening, for vi er en åben institution.
Of course it is also possible to lose honourably, but not in this case unfortunately.
Rådet hører alligevel altid, hvad der sker her.
One cannot even win honourably here.
Desværre kan vi ikke sige det om Rådet, for på rådsplan er gennemskuelighed stadig først og fremmest mundsvejr.
It would do no-one any good at all if Parliament were to threaten the one and only new citizens' right that has been implemented so far.
Jeg fik dengang et tip om denne ringeagt over for Parlamentet, og den 30. oktober krævede jeg her i plenarforsamlingen en udtalelse, til dato desværre uden resultat. tat.
The ombudsman has not been appointed because of ignominious discussions here in this selfsame parliament.
Kan vi gøre andet end at beklage os politisk?
We cannot afford to cloud this voting right in vagueness.
Nedlægge påstand om ophævelse ved Domstolen, siger visse kolleger.
Even after any annulment there will not immediately be a new and better directive.
Heldigvis var det ikke den dominerende opfattelse i Retsudvalget.
In this ambiguous situation we must chose for the benefit of the citizens.
Der findes et lovformeligt grundlag for undtagelse for hvert land.
To give priority to our own interests would be to behave irresponsibly.
Man har i Parlamentet drøftet ideen om undtagelser på grundlag af kommunale kriterier.
The Council has introduced a derogation concerning Belgium and more specifically, as I understand it, the Brussels metro politan area.
Den belgiske undtagelse er, på trods af dens store politisk-kulturelle værdi, meget begrænset i sin faktiske anvendelighed, ikke blot geografisk, men også indholdsmæssigt.
That derogation is politically regrettable, since Brussels and its metropolitan area are after all, to the best of my knowledge, the seat of the Council, the seat of the Commission and one of the places of work of this Parliament, and from this angle there is a very unfortunate symbolism in the fact that it should be precisely this location in which the exercise of European citizenship is being restricted.
I mellemtiden har vi fået klarhed.
Not that I think it should be applied broadly.
Rådet træder endog Parlamentets tilsikrede rettigheder under fode, hvis det passer i dets kram, og spørgsmålene fra Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender og Borgernes Rettigheder bliver i det konkrete tilfælde nu under fransk formandskab ikke en gang for alvor taget til efterretning, endsige da besvaret ordentligt!
I would discourage my fellow party members from doing that at municipal level, but I do support it because it shows that the Union is willing to base its decisions on reality on the ground, to take account of the relationships between linguistic areas, communities and regions which have come about as a result of laborious effort.
Den, som kender retsplejen, ved, at chancen for succes ad retlig vej, efter min opfattelse en omvej, er lille.
The derogation is also dubious in law, for reasons that have been stated by my colleagues, so that I need not return to them here.
Nu kan man naturligvis også tabe med æren i behold.
It seems to me, therefore, that Parliament must be consulted again.
Det ville absolut ikke være noget smukt syn, hvis Parlamentet lod en økse hænge over den eneste nye borgerret, som er gennemført indtil nu.
In connection with the interinstitutional dialogue on which the consultation procedure, in particular, is based, the Court held that the same reciprocal duties of proper cooperation prevail as those governing relations between Member States and Community institutions.
Vore borgere må, hvad den fri bevægelighed angår, nøjes med Schengen. Ombudsmanden udnævnes imidlertid ikke
For my part, I think we have fallen some way short of this duty of proper cooperation.
Europa-Parlamentet og Europas folk forventer mere.
Ijust wonder whether this is a manifestation of hypocrisy or ignorance.
Howitt (PSE). — (EN) Fru formand, andre har påvist, hvordan Rådet har overtrådt traktatens artikel 8 B, og det er en bekymring, som jeg deler.
Spaniards are entitled to vote in municipal elections in the Netherlands.
Jeg vil imidlertid gerne forklare hr. Lamassoure, hvorfor undtagelsen for Belgien har givet anledning til så stor utilfredshed.
Sweden and Denmark and that is why Dutch citizens have the same right in Spain. It is as simple as that; there is no question of discrimination.
Kære kolleger, jeg anmoder Dem alle om Deres stemme for den beslutning, der skal være en sidste advarsel til Rådet.
The people of Europe are directly affected, so their concern is all the greater.
Belgien opkræver lokale skatter af disse indbyggere, men ifølge et grundlæggende princip bør der ikke forekomme beskatning uden repræsentation.
Wijsenbeek has already said so; there is hypocrisy, this time from the Council.
Det viser, hvor nødvendigt det er at gennemføre disse direktiver såvel efter deres bogstav som efter deres ånd.
The directive does not cover either the Spanish elections in May nor the French elections in May.
Mosiek-Urbahn (PPE). — (DE) Fru formand, hr. rådsformand, kære kolleger, med det direktiv, vi her drøfter, blev alle unionsborgeres valgret ved kommunalvalg i alle medlemsstater fastlagt som kernen i unionsborgerskabet.
The relevant directive was put into practice for the European elections in a period of six weeks, but not this time; there is a lack of political will.
Det var et overordentlig vigtigt bidrag til Unionens integrationspolitik.
Spain, as President of the Council, could have set a proud example and applied the directive.
Således blev det også bedømt af Europa-Parlamentet.
But once again, there was no political will.
Dog bliver Europa-Parlamentet nu nødt til resolut at vægre sig og protestere imod, at et så vigtigt skridt hen imod et borgernes Europa på ét punkt ledsages af en fremgangsmåde fra Rådets side, som er i eklatant modstrid med de i traktaten fastsatte bestemmelser. Borgerne er direkte ramt og derfor så meget desto mere berørt deraf.
Let us view these elections in Spain, in which citizens of three EU countries can take part, as a kind of Schengen, so that the mistakes which have been made, such as too short a registration period, inadequate information, can be avoided when the European directive comes into force.
For det andet er det krav om bopæl i seks år, der er indført i Belgien og Luxembourg, forkert. Det skaber to former for statsborgerskab.
Article 8b( 1 ) of the Treaty provides for mandatory hearing of the European Parliament on matters of voting rights in local elections.
For det tredje tager det sigte på at indføre, hvad der reelt kan betragtes som sproglige krav for at få stemmeret.
The right of Parliament to be consulted amounts to an obligation upon the Council.
Nok er det forkert at forskelsbehandle de flamsktalende belgiere, men det er også forkert at indføre at denne nye form for diskrimination.
The institutional balance is upset whenever the division of responsibilities enshrined in the Treaty is disregarded.
For det fjerde udgør en sådan undtagelse en farlig leflen for de ultranationalistiske holdninger på den yderste højre fløj, hvor Vlaams Blok allerede er blevet det største parti i byrådet i Antwerpen.
The reason just given, namely that the attitude of Parliament to the derogation was already known and had therefore made a hearing superfluous is not acceptable under any circumstances.
Denne ret for Parlamentet til at blive hørt er en pligt, Rådet har. Høring af Parlamentet står ikke til Rådets disposition.
Gebhardt (PSE). - (DE) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, I was born and brought up in France and have been married for twenty years in Germany.
Den netop anførte begrundelse, at Parlamentets indstilling til undtagelsesbestemmelsen var kendt og derfor gjorde en høring overflødig, kan under ingen omstændigheder accepteres.
That is why, in my first year as a Member of the European Parliament, I have been doubly aggrieved by the contempt the Council has shown us, first under the German presidency and now under the French.
Desuagtet har Rådet ved sin fremgangsmåde krænket princip pet om gennemsigtighed.
Apart from that, the Council, by its actions, has violated the principle of transparency.
Det er mere end beklageligt, at der ikke har fundet nogen drøftelse sted i offentligheden netop om dette område, hvor det drejer sig om grundlæggende, elementære borgerlige rettigheder i Unionen.
It is more than regrettable that the public discussion has not taken place on this of all subjects, focusing as it does on initial elementary rights of Union citizenship.
Et borgernes Europa på den ene side og en lovgiver bag lukkede døre på den anden side er uforenelige med heinanden.
A people's Europe on the one hand and a legislature behind locked doors on the other are irreconcilable.
Rådet burde være mere bevidst om sin institutionelle placering og det politiske ansvar.
The Council should be more aware of its place in the institutional system and of its political responsibility.
I denne uge skal der holdes valg i Skotland og i næste måned i England og Wales, uden at de europæiske statsborgere er registreret som vælgere, og den britiske regering har oplyst, at deres deltagelse i lokalvalgene næste år afhænger af en lovgivning, der skal forelægges i slutningen af juni måned.
Last October, while we were concluding our discussions here in Parliament on the Directive concerning the right to vote in communal elections, the Council, under German presidency, smuggled Article 12(2) into the text behind our backs.
Der er ikke megen tid tilbage, og mange er af den opfattelse, at splittelsen i John Majors regering med hensyn til EU gør den handlingslammet, og at den nok en gang prøver at slippe ud af sin forlegenhed ved at nægte at gennemføre EU-lovgivning. Dette tillige med dens ønske om en særskilt i stedet for en fælles registrering af EU-statsborgere ved EU-valg viser, at der er behov for langt flere drøftelser om dette spørgsmål.
I had information at the time about this contempt of Parliament, and I asked for a statement here on 30 October, a plea that has so far gone unheeded.
Fassa (ELDR). — (IT) Fru formand, også jeg tager ordet for at fremhæve en vis frygtsomhed i gennemførelsen af et så vigtigt princip i dette direktiv.
Fassa (ELDR). — (IT) Madam President, I also wish to point to a certain reluctance in bringing into effect such an important principle in this directive.
Frygtsomheden ses først og fremmest i, at der overvejende lægges et kriterium om frivillighed til grund for udøvelsen af valgretten; for det andet i udsættelsen af fristerne for direktivets fulde iværksættelse; for det tredje, som mange har fremhævet før mig, i de enkelte staters mulighed for undtagelse.
That reluctance is apparent from the emphasis, firstly, on a voluntarist criterion for exercising voting rights; secondly, from the extension of the time limit for the entry into force of the directive for all purposes; and thirdly, as many others have mentioned before me, from the possibility of a derogation being granted to individual states.
Vi forstår godt grundene til disse begrænsninger, især forskellen i befolkningssammensætningen i de enkelte stater, og ikke mindst — og det vil jeg gerne opholde mig et øjeblik ved — forskellene i de enkelte bestemmelser.
Of course, we are not unaware of the reasons for these limits, in particular the difference in the composition of the population in individual states, and above all — and I should like briefly to dwell on this point — the difference in individual systems.
Posselt (PPE). — (DE) Fru formand, nationalstatens historie i Europa er en historie om retsbrud.
Howitt (PSE). — Madam President, others have demonstrated how the Council has breached Article 8b of the Treaty and I share that concern.
Historien om den europæiske integrationeren historie om oprettelsen af et overnationalt retsfællesskab, som forbinder befolkningerne.
However, I want to tell Mr Lamassoure why the Belgian exemption provoked such great concern.
Jeg er hr. Ullmann, der ved, hvad han taler om, når han siger »demokrati«, for han har oplevet diktatur, taknemmelig for, at han sagde, at det gælder demokratiet i Europa.
Mr Lamassoure, your prevarication this morning was hard to take. This Parliament and the peoples of Europe have higher expectations.
Men det gælder derudover ideen Europa som et retsfællesskab.
We have never discussed this type of amendment here in Parliament under such conditions.
I begyndelsen af næste år har vi kommunalvalg i Bayern.
That has simply not been done in this case.
Der er fra forskellige sider blevet rejst megen kritik af, at forskellige medlemsstater først lader dette direktiv blive gældende, efter at de har holdt deres kommunalvalg.
That requirement is laid down in the treaties which the governments have signed, and the same governments must also abide by these treaties within the Council.
Der skulle jo nu engang fastsættes en eller anden dato.
As I have said, I shall not stand by in silence when the law is violated, a violation which has now been carried over into a second presidency.
Men hvis ideen om et retsfællesskab og om gensidighed nu udhules af en række undtagelsesbestemmelser, ødelægger man borgernes tillid til retsfællesskabet Europas stabilitet, og det indtryk opstår, at det bare er en koalition og konstellation af forskellige nationale vilkårligheder.
Belgium levies local taxes from these residents and there is a fundamental principle that there should be no taxation without representation. In fact, Belgium also levied a BFR 750 poll tax for foreign nationals to register to vote in the European elections, which contributed to the fact that the registration rate was only 1,5%.
Derfor bliver Rådet nødt til at behandle disse ting meget forsigtigt.
It shows how these directives must be implemented in spirit as well as to the letter.
Unionsborgerskabet
It creates two tiers
Lad os for eksempel tage princippet om lighed, som blev fremhævet for lidt siden: et italiensk kommunalbestyrelsesmedlem kan få delegeret beføjelser fra borgmesteren som regeringsembedsmand, men kan ikke udøve dem, hvis han er udlænding, fordi han så netop ikke er italiensk borger.
Mosiek-Urbahn (PPE). - (DE) Madam President, Mr President-in-Office, ladies and gentlemen, the directive now under discussion has established the right to vote and stand as a candidate in municipal elections for all citizens of the Union residing in any Member State as the prime constituent of Union citizenship.
Det er derfor i fremtiden ønskeligt med en beslutsom aktion fra Den Europæiske Unions side, der skal harmonisere tildelingen af beføjelser fra lokale myndigheder inden for de enkelte med lemsstater.
That was an extremely important contribution to the integration policy of' the Union and was commended as such by the European Parliament.
Posselt regionale råd, og jeg glæder mig over den kendsgerning, at Bruxelles' hovedstadsråd allerede har besluttet ikke at anvende den.
Howitt you aware what these specific circumstances are?
Jeg håber blot, at det nye Flamske Råd vil have tilstrækkeligt politisk mod til at indse, at det ikke tjener den flamske sag at påberåbe sig denne undtagelsesbestemmelse, men blot styrker fremmedhadet i Flanderen, og det vil jeg vedblive med at modsætte mig.
Quite simply, they are municipalities on the outskirts of Brussels where the great fear is that Europeans will vote for Frenchspeaking candidates.
Jeg vil gerne komme med et par bemærkninger.
That is wholly unacceptable.
Europa kan ikke sikre menneskene fred og frihed som mellemstatslig koalition eller mellemstatslig aftale, men kun som et stabilt retsfællesskab, hvor den enkelte også kan varetage sine rettigheder.
It is wrong to discriminate against Flemishspeaking Belgians but also wrong to introduce this new piece of discrimination.