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Denne situation, der allerede er katastrofal, ville være blevet forværret, hvis OECD-aftalen fra juli 1994 var trådt i kraft, fordi den indeholdt en af skaffelse af støtten samtidig med, at den amerikanske pro tektionistiske lovgivning, der er en følge af Jones-loven, blev bevaret, og samtidig med, at de amerikanske fabrikanter fik monopol på bygning af kystfartøjer.
I would prefer it if the two Commission ers here - and I wish Sir Leon were here too - would tell us what change has occurred for us now to find ourselves with a proposal for our unilateral disarmament.
Pérez Royo (PSE). - (ES) Hr. formand, betænkningen om støtte til skibsbygningsindustrien, som vi drøfter her til aften, vedrører nogle punkter, som er meget vigtige for Den Europæiske Union og specielt vigtige for enkelte re gioner, f.eks.
South Korea's position, which combines its 25 % market share, which it clearly aims to increase, with a devaluation of the won in excess of 50 %, has had and continues to have disastrous effects on the world market.
Andalusien, især provinserne Cádiz og Se villa, hvor der næsten ikke er anden sværindustri tilbage end skibsbygningsindustrien, som dog eksisterer med store vanskeligheder.
For in stance, the increase in the number of jobs in Korean ship yards in the last decade is equal to the number of jobs lost in my country's shipbuilding and repair yards.
Kommissionens forslag til forordning, der sigter på at for byde driftsstøtte fra den 31. december 2000, foregriber OECD-aftalen, der endnu ikke er blevet ratificeret af USA.
Caudron (PSE). - (FR) Mr President, Commissioners, ladies and gentlemen, after having as is customary, thanked and congratulated Mr Sindal and the draftsmen of the opinions, and our two Commissioners for their presence here, I wish to begin my speech on the future of aid to shipbuilding by making three observations.
Vores gruppe går hverken ind for en foregribende gen nemførelse af OECD-aftalen eller for at fastsætte en dato for afskaffelse af støtten.
It is therefore urgent to force countries like South Korea to correct the imprudent industrial policy they have pursued and force them to eliminate their excess capacity.
Værftssektoren er en sektor i krise, hvilket De udmærket ved, mine damer og herrer, og endvidere er det en sektor, som er udsat for kraftig konkurrence, især fra Asien, således som det er blevet påpeget ved flere lejligheder her i aften.
Garcia Arias (PSE). - (ES) Mr President, I am glad to see we are joined tonight by the two Commissioners deal ing with this matter, in the contexts of industrial policy and competition policy.
Denne konkurrenceevne styrkes dog, således som det også er blevet påpeget her i aften, af den kraftige devaluering af den koreanske won i kølvandet på valutakrisen i Asien.
It would have been nice if Sir Leon Brittan had also been here, because of the international importance of the subject.
I modsætning til det, der er planlagt, anmoder vi om, at der træffes foranstaltninger til at give de maritime aktiviteter og skibsbyggeriet i EU fornyet energi, for at få disse aktiviteter op at stå igen ved at afskaffe de illoyale kon kurrenceforhold på verdensplan, ved at bevare systemet for statsstøtte og ved at indføre fællesskabspræference for skibsbygning for at fremme købet af europæisk byggede skibe.
Firstly, in the course of the past five years, every time a job has been lost in the European shipbuilding industry, another job has been created in the Korean shipbuilding industry, and our sacrifices have therefore been perfectly useless.
Derfor er det vigtigt at kræve, at Kommissionen presser på for at få USA's kongres til endeligt at ratificere OECD-aftalen om konkurrencevilkårene i skibsbygningsindustrien.
Secondly, in Korea, it is neither low wages nor industrial organization which has made Korea dominant, but the cross guarantees of the conglomerates, supported by the Korean government, making actual financial back ing unnecessary.
Og ikke kun inden for OECD-aftalens område. Kommissionen må også lade sin stemme høre i WTO med henblik på at opnå rimelige konkurrencevilkår på ver densmarkedet.
Thirdly, in Europe, every time aid is given to a shipyard in difficulty, the European Commission demands a reduction in capacity, whereas of course in Korea, Japan and the United States nothing of the sort happens.
Blokland (I-EDN). - (NL) Hr. formand, skibsbygningssektoren er en verdensomspændende industri, der også bør behandles som sådan. Ikke fra et regionalt eller nationalt perspektiv.
The result of all this can be summarised in four points.
Det relevante marked er verdensmarkedet.
Secondly, tens of thousands of jobs have been destroyed with all that ensues in terms of social difficulties and misery.
Kommissionens forslag tager desværre ikke tilstrækkeligt hensyn til dette.
Thirdly, Europe has lost a sub stantial market share.
Endvidere strider det mod indgåede aftaler om nedtrapning af støtte til skibsværftssektoren i kombination med indskrænkning af kapaciteten.
Fourthly, contrary to what occurred in other industrial sector, in particular the steel industry, there is no guarantee that what is left of our production capacity will actually last.
Der står udtrykkeligt: »Et år før den 31. de cember 2000 vil Kommissionen nøje overvåge markeds situationen og vurdere, om værfterne i EU rammes af konkurrencebegrænsende foranstaltninger; hvis det kon stateres, at sektoren skades af konkurrencebegrænsende foranstaltninger, herunder skadelig prisfastsættelse, vil EF overveje at indføre passende tiltag.«
What I want to do is put the following question to the Commissioners: what aspect of the world situation has changed, for there to be this change in attitude in the Community strategy towards defending the shipbuilding sector?
Det vil på en gang fjerne resultatet af alle hidtil gennemførte saneringer.
Also, there has been the crisis in Asia, and all the current phenomena we have just been talking about here.
Det er endog klart i strid med principper ne for det indre marked, når det ene værft kan få ca. 39 % i støtte og det andet værft 60-70 %. Artikel 7 om regional støtte bør derfor slettes. Endvidere er omstrukturerings-
Is it because the Nordic countries have joined?
Pérez Royo tor senere kan overleve uden statsstøtte på det fri markeds regler og vilkår.
The Americans are protectionist, that is true, but in terms of global competition, the problem is not really there.
lige problem. Det undrer os derfor, at denne henvisning i betragtningen ikke også er medtaget i forordningen. Der - -føF-går vi kraftigt ind for, at denne sikkerhedsklausul, som jeg har omtalt, inkorporeres formelt i forordningen.
I shall return to Korea in a minute, but I believe it is useful to go over the global context again.
Hvad dette angår, kan vi godt sige, at den aftale, der i 1994 blev undertegnet mellem EU, Japan, Sydkorea, Norge og USA inden for OECD, og som skulle træde i kraft den 1. januar 1996, i dag er dødfødt, da den på grund af konstant pression fra de amerikanske værfter ikke er ble vet ratificeret af Kongressen i USA.
That is wrong, as even in the framework of the OECD agreement, aid for research and development, for the environment and for social support measures and ex port finance arrangements continue to be provided for. The OECD agreement allows all this to continue.
Ligeledes går vi ind for, at den artikel 7, som flere talere har henvist til i aften som værende konkurrenceforvridende, bibeholdes i forordningen.
If in the year 2000, we see the market is sufficiently healthy for us to be able to do without aid, I will doubtless agree to it being done away with.
Men det har intet med det at gøre.
But today, who could say as much?
lars, der er reserveret til støtte for åbningen af et skibsværft i Philadelphia, også ønsker at oprette en ny støtte, ved hjælp af hvilken flåden åbent skal kunne finansiere bygning af civile skibe.
But if we are to shut the doors, let us at least keep the keys, and between now and then we shall be able to study exactly the changes in the market before fixing final dates and taking definitive measures.
Der er kun én ting tilbage for mig at sige: Det Europæiske Folkepartis Gruppe, som hr. Pomés Ruiz til hører, sidder for øjeblikket i Unionens Råd.
That is why I call on our Parliament to be cautious, and I call on the Commission to accept the amendments which I hope will be voted through and which will allow us be tween now and the end of the year 2000 enough margin for manoeuvre.
Vi spaniere håber, at det spanske industriministerium i denne sag i Rådet vil stå lige så fast, som det er blevet tilkendegivet her i aften.
Once and for all, in this sector, as in many other sectors, we should, Mr President, stop being masochistic. chistic.
Vi er i dag, hr. formand, ærede medlemmer, nødt til at an erkende, at skibsbygningsindustrien faktisk er en verdensindustri.
Our proposal allows more: it offers aid for the restructuring of companies and aid for innovation.
Den europæiske skibsbygningsindustri skal derfor have de samme konkurrencevilkår som dens internationale konkurrenter.
That is new, certainly, but that is precisely the reason why we have to try and innovate more to remain competitive.
Det er derfor nødvendigt at sørge for, at de regler, der gælder i EU, bliver alment gyldige in ternationalt, således at konkurrenceforvridning undgås.
That being the case, I do not understand why we are being criticised for including that in our proposal.
Alavanos (GUE/NGL). - (EL) Hr. formand jeg vil gerne sige, at når vi forhandler dette spørgsmål i dag, så gør vi det igen på grund af USA og den situation, der er skabt som følge af USA's manglende vilje til at godkende aftalen om skibsværftspolitikken.
van Miert, Member of the Commission. - (FR). Mr President, as I listened to all these speeches, and this time there were many of them, you will have surely been aware, if you listened to one another, of the difficulties with which we are confronted, because the arguments go from A to Z. Some of you wish to stop aid immediately, and in particular operating aid, and a number of govern ments defend this point of view even today.
Jeg vil gerne understrege to forhold:
Do you wish to keep this policy or not?
Sydkoreas holdning, der forener en markedsandel på 25 % og stærkt ekspansionistiske mål med en devaluering af wonnen på mere end 50 %, har haft og vil blive ved med at have katastrofale følger på verdensmarkedet.
Taking the figures from 1990 to 1995, did you know that in the Eu ropean Union, more than ECU 5 billion of state aid was allocated to operating aid, and more than ECU 3 billion for restructuring?
Det er derfor meget nødvendigt at tvinge lande som Syd korea til at ændre den ukloge industripolitik, der er blevet fulgt, og fjerne deres overkapacitet.
Where your argument does bite, is knowing whether the degree of aid that can be allowed for the eligible regions, be it region A or region C, would also be acceptable in the logic of shipbuilding.
Det syvende direktiv skal altså forlænges.
I have just mentioned the automobile industry where aid can only be given for investment in order to make up for disadvantages.
Kommissionen bør opretholde den 31. december som slutdato for ophør af støtte, hvis det konstateres, at der ikke mere findes konkurrencebegrænsende foranstaltninger.
But here I am ready, and I emphasize this, to consider along with the Council of Ministers how to limit regional aid, possibly even by combining it with certain other measures.
I modsat fald skal den udskyde denne dato til i det mindste den 31. december år 2003, hvor de nuværende regler udløber.
How ever, I believe we should in principle maintain the overall approach in terms of regional policy.
Torres Couto (PSE). - (PT) Hr. formand, ærede med lemmer, vi diskuterer i dag skabelsen af en ny lovmæssig ramme for støtte til den europæiske skibsbygningsindustri. stri.
We have tried to find an agreement which everyone would respect, and provided this agreement was ratified, we were ready to immediately put an end to the 7th Directive.
På grund af dette emnes internationale betyd-
I am not sure that it will follow this logic, but I maintain that it is
García Arias ning kunne man ønske, at hr. Brittan også havde været til stede.
It is consistent with what the Commission does within the European Union in terms of regional policy.
For det andet er titusinder af arbejdspladser blevet ødelagt med de deraf føl gende sociale problemer og elendighed. For det tredje har Europa mistet store markedsandele.
In my view, if anything it is a matter of good fortune that we can now get into a serious discussion with the Koreans and reassess thè matter, instead of being in the situation as it was before.
For det fjerde og i modsætning til det, der er sket inden for andre industrielle sektorer, især stålindustrien, er der ingen garanti for, at det, som er tilbage af vores produktionskapacitet, kan bli ve bevaret.
I therefore yet again, make a com mitment on behalf of the Commission to come back to this aspect, as well as to others, one year before the end of the regime, in other words, one year before the end of op erating aid.
Jeg vil her ikke gentage, hvad alle andre allerede har fremført om den internationale situation.
Now I will look at Korea. Of course many other com ments have been made, but my time is limited, and clearly I have to speak on the question of Korea.
Det, jeg vil, er at stille kommissærerne følgende spørgsmål: Hvad er æn dret i den internationale situation, siden der er sket sådan en ændring i vægtningen af Fællesskabets strategi til be skyttelse af skibssektoren?
Furthermore, Martin Bangemann is here, and he may talk more about the report which was drawn up under his responsibility, in an attempt to contribute to the modernization of our ship building industry.
Indtil nu har vi udsat direktivet, fordi vi afventede, hvad der skete med den internati onale aftale.
Who can believe for a moment that the Commission is not in fact concerned about this?
Så har der været krisen i Asien, og man har noteret de fænomener, som er blevet fremhævet her.
It only wants the sector to be able to support itself, as far as possible, through its own resources, receiving aid of course for research and development and for the environment.
Hvad er der altså sket, siden vi har skiftet strategi?
Last time, we were able to extend it for a limited period only, and barely gained a qualified majority to do this.
De nordiske landes tiltræden?
But now this will no longer be possible.
Det er det, man kan udlede af det, vi her hører i Parlamentet. Er det den internationale ændring, der er sket?
A blocking minority will certainly oppose the continuation of this re gime.
I forhandlingen om dette emne er Parlamentets holdning ikke at sætte dato på udsættelsen af direktiver, for fra det øjeblik, hvor vi fastsætter en dato, gennemfører og annoncerer vi allerede ensrettede politik ker. Og nu viser det sig, at vi allerede her har en forordning, som annoncerer denne ensidige afvæbning af Den Europæiske Union.
We therefore need to find another way forward, an other policy, and I believe that the if it is possible to dis cuss one element or another and the Commission itself is prepared to consider certain amendments here or there, that'in this way an agreement will be possible within the Council of Ministers.
Kære kolleger, for nogle måneder siden skrabede vi næsten bunden på dette område, eftersom støtten i medfør af det syvende direktiv næsten forsvandt på grund af en OECD-aftale, som vores konkurrenter ikke havde ratificeret.
However, before even the crisis in Korea, Martin and my self included in our proposal a clause stating that if some thing were to happen at a global level, somewhere in an industrialized country which was developing an aggressive dumping policy with regard to our shipyards, the Commission would reserve the right to come back on this.
For en gangs skyld var vi i stand til samstemmigt at sige nej.
This door was not only halfopen in the aftermath of the Asian crisis, but was open before it, because that is what had been agreed.
I dag foreslås det, at Den Europæiske Union en sidigt pålægger sig selv de principper, der var fastlagt i OECD-aftalen, der jo ikke er ratificeret.
In this light, I have no difficulty in accepting some of the suggestions which were made, with a view to studying extremely closely, as Martin does, as the Commission will do and as the Council will do, the consequences of the events in South Korea, where there is in fact a con siderable degree of competition.
Jeg mener igen, at vi skal være mere pragmatiske.
With that, ladies and gentlemen, I will conclude.
Hvis vi i år 2000 kon staterer, at markedet er blevet tilstrækkeligt saneret til at kunne undvære kontraktstøtte, vil jeg uden tvivl gå ind for, at den afskaffes.
I have spoken at length, but I know how interested you are in this sector, which is still very sensitive, and as I look at some of you, I can immediately see behind you the region and shipyards in question.
Men hvem er i dag i stand til at for udsige dette?
I know this because I understand that because very often the regions are already facing difficulties.
Kommissionen anerkender selv, at der er behov for passende foranstaltninger, uden dog at kunne sige hvilke.
When we speak about the difficulties in the ship yards, thousands of people are affected, and the situation is showing itself to be dramatic.
Så for Guds skyld, lad os ikke lukke dørene, og hvis de skal lukkes, skal vi ikke smide nøglerne væk, idet vi indtil da nøje skal undersøge markedernes udvikling, inden vi fastsætter afgørende datoer og træffer nogen definitive foranstaltninger.
I therefore fully under stand what you have said. But on the other hand, I think that our proposal is fairly balanced, and also aims to en sure that, in the next century, we will have a competitive shipbuilding industry, which will not only be a major in dustry at European level, but also at global level.
Jeg indbyder derfor Parlamentet til at være forsigtig, og jeg anmoder Kommissionen om at acceptere de ændringsforslag, som jeg håber vil blive vedtaget, og som frem til udgangen af år 2000 vil give os en tilstrækkelig handlefrihed.
This is a consultation procedure, and I think this process is in fact intended to help expose the problems facing not only the Commission, but also the citizens of Europe, and I believe we can all sympathise with one another.
Lad os én gang for alle, i denne sektor som i andre, hr. formand, holde op med at opføre os som masochister.
However, I do also look forward to the Commission and the Council coming up with a workable solution. That was one point I wanted to make.
Hr. formand, i lyset af det, vi her hører, vil jeg gerne sige to ting.
Contrary to what many of you have said, the crisis does make it possible for us to intervene.
Jeg går lidt videre end det, som min kollega Pérez Royo sagde, og som det spanske Partido Popular har slået til lyd for.
Before, in practice, we could not. Before the crisis, the Koreans would not ac cept a reduction in capacity.
Jeg ville gerne have, at ministeren offentligt er klærede, at han forsvarer denne holdning i Industriministerrådet.
Now, with the crisis, with the operation of IMF aid, we will also have our bit to say.
Men på dette tidspunkt af aftenen vil jeg ikke gå mere i dybden.
Al though precautions have been taken, we will naturally need to ensure that they are complied with.
Jeg foretrækker, at de to tilstedeværende kommissærer - og gid hr. Brittan også var her - ville fortælle os, hvad det er, der er ændret, siden vi nu står over for et forslag, der ensidigt afvæbner os.
It so happens that in the wake of the Industry Council which is due to take place on 7 May, there will be a high-level meeting between Korea and the European Union, and believe you me, we will take stock of the situation there.
van Miert, medlem af Kommissionen. - (FR) Hr. for mand, når man hører alle de forskellige indlæg, der denne gang var talrige, og hvis man har hørt godt efter, vil man uden tvivl kunne se de problemer, som vi står over for, idet de forskellige argumenter spænder fra den ene ende af spektret til den anden.
In fact, over and above the problem of the shipbuilding sector, South Korea and a number of other countries are facing a far more serious crisis, which also affects their industrial structures and massive aid systems.
Nogle ønsker straks at stoppe støtten, især driftsstøtte, og flere regeringer forsvarer end nu i dag denne holdning, hvor andre ønsker, at støtten fortsat tilflyder, med samme argumenter som for femten år siden.
Hence, at a time when those countries are in the throes of crisis, nobody is going to try and sell us a policy based on the South Korean model.
Det te er logikken i vores regionalpolitik.
I am saying this with regard to the protocol.
Vil De opretholde denne politik? Kommissionen mener, at De vil.
At some point, we must learn to deal with matters in their correct order.
hvis man ser på tallene for 1990 til 1995, at der inden for EU i form af statsstøtte er blevet brugt over ECU 5 milliarder til driftsstøtte og over ECU 3 milliarder til omstruktureringer, det vil sige i alt ECU 8 milliarder.
They protect national and regional preferences in vehicles and in this respect, from the United Kingdom's point of view, I am pleased that our traditional doubledecker buses - and in London the Routemaster buses - are under no threat whatsoever from Europe.
Nogle gange betalte man endog mere end en tredjedel af støtten.
I did not even congratulate Mr Sindal on his excellent report.
Sådan lå landet. Spørgsmålet har således trængt sig på i mange år: Kan dette fortsætte? Flere og fle re regeringer siger nej.
I deeply regret this, as I know how hard he has worked, and I hope that my omission now has been made good.
Jeg har netop omtalt tilfældet med motorkøretøjsrammebestemmelserne, der kun giver mulighed for at yde støtte til in vesteringer for at kompensere for et handicap.
As the rapporteur I have spoken widely to various interest groups, as I said at the beginning of my speech.
Men jeg understreger, at jeg er rede til sammen med Ministerrådet at undersøge, hvorledes den regionale støtte kan begrænses, eventuelt i en kombination med andre foranstaltninger.
Not all are going to be happy with my proposals but I can assure you that I did my best to meet all their main aspirations in a realistic, technical and cost-effective way.
Jeg mener dog, at vi skal holde fast i princippet om global metode med hensyn til regionalpolitikken.
I was so keen to give a quick response to the comments of substance, that I forgot to congratulate you, but I do so, believe me, with all my heart and with conviction.
Man har forsøgt at finde en løsning gennem OECD-aftalen på verdensplan, og vi har ikke nedrustet ensidigt.
There are a few key points from my report that I would like to bring to the Commission's attention and to invite their support.
Desværre, ratificerede amerikanerne den ikke.
We should grant them type approval.
Ikke fordi amerikanerne udgør så stor en konkurrence, idet jeg ikke har kendskab til amerikanske skibe, der skaber pro blemer for vores skibsværfter.
Nobody has to actually use them but why separate them out?
Det er rigtigt, at amerikanerne er protektionistiske, men med hensyn til konkurrencen på verdensplan er det ikke her, problemet ligger.
Why not have a complete market in buses and coaches?
Vores problem er, eftersom skibene bliver mere og mere sofistikerede, at vi skal sørge for at være på forkant med den teknologiske udvikling og udviklingen af de moderne skibe.
I would urge the Commission to look at my Amendments Nos 4, 5, 28, 29 and 41 in that respect.
OECD-aftalen gav mulighed for dette.
I welcome Mr Bangemann, who joined us during the pre vious debate.
Desuden er Martin Bangemann til stede, og han vil kunne sige mere om den rapport, der under hans ansvar er udarbejdet for at forsøge at bidrage til at modernisere vores skibsbygningsindustri.
It is my prediction that Commission study will report in favour of mandatory ac cessibility provisions for those vehicles before the Coun cil has even adopted its first common position.
Ingen kan vel et øjeblik være i tvivl om, at Kommissionen bekymrer sig om dette?
We, as a Parliament, ought to be looking at class I and class II vehicles because this is technically feasible.