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For det første, afviser Kommissionen fuldstændig UEFA's synspunkt om, at punkt 127 og 129 i dommen er så vage og uklare, at de juridisk set stadig giver mulighed for at anvende 3+2-systemet i europæiske klubturneringer som mesterholdenes turnering, pokalvindernes turnering og UEFA-cup'en?
All this is just to make the point, Madam President, for the benefit of those who cannot be bothered or do not have the chance to read the judgment for themselves and for the benefit of those who may otherwise be persuaded by the authoritarian voices of the football federations.
Sir Leon Brittan, næstformand i Kommissionen. - (EN) Fru formand, Jean-Marc Bosman er en professionel belgisk fodboldspiller, der spillede for FC Liège, som på det tidspunkt lå i den belgiske første division.
Ribeiro (GUE/NGL). - (PT) Commissioner, I think Pan dora's box has been opened up.
Den 31. juli 1990 blev han suspenderet af FC Liège, efter at hans salg til US Dunkerque i Frankrig var blevet blokeret, hvilket forhindrede ham i at spille i hele sæsonen 1990-1991. Han anlagde sag mod FC Liège ved Tribunal de première instance i Liège, og det var begyndelsen på den retssag, der kulminerede med EF-Domstolens dom den 15. december 1995.
But at the same time I think it is difficult to keep it closed and play down the contradictions between a genuine popular passion in the active or passive participation in sporting practices, in clubs, symbols, shirts, colours and the professionalisation of those practices, transformed into mass spectacles, transmitted Hve, mediatised, and a clear or clandestine mercantile activity.
For det andet, er Kommissionen villig til at afgive en utvetydig erklæring om, at dommen kun gælder klubskifte ved kontraktens udløb mellem medlemsstaterne og ikke vedrører klubskifte ved kontraktens udløb inden for en medlemsstat?
The contractual relationship between promoters and their protagonists could not continue in the extended ambiguity without seriously dealing with an inevitably increasingly serious problem.
Domstolen blev bedt om at tage stilling til, hvorvidt Rom-traktatens artikel 48, 85 og 86 skulle fortolkes således, at det er (a) forbudt for en fodboldklub at opkræve og modtage en sum penge ved salg af en af dens spillere til en ny klub, hvis spillerens kontrakt er udløbet, og (b) forbudt for de forskellige landsforbund inden for idræt at indføre bestemmelser, der begrænser adgangen for spillere uden for Det Europæiske Fællesskab til de tumeringer, der afholdes.
Larive (ELDR). - (NL) Madam President, what does the Commission think about UEFA's interpretation, given in its communiqué of 16 January and defended here yesterday in the House by a UEFA legal adviser, that the transfer system should not be scrapped but merely modernized and that the foreign players clause can be retained for European club competitions so that, for example, a club which plays in the Champions' League is representing its country?
Som sagt er det meget vigtigt med klare, præcise og utvetydige svar.
Does the Commission think matches played like this will be unlawful, and what does it propose to do about it?
Hvis kommissæren kan give mig disse svar, vil jeg være meget taknemmelig.
What specific sanctions is the Commission considering? I think the time for letter-writing is over.
Domstolens svar var meget klart. Transfer-systemet mellem landene i Den Europæiske Union kan ikke opretholdes, og det samme gælder fodboldforbundenes regler om, at fodboldklubberne kun må benytte et begrænset antal professionelle spillere, der er statsborgere i andre medlems stater.
What action will the Commission be taking in this context against federations which claim they cannot change the rules in mid-season?
Hvad angår nationalitetsklausulerne kendes UEFA's såkaldte 3+2-regel således ulovlig både i de hjemlige tumeringer og i europæiske klubturneringer.
This creates a legal inequality between 'obedient' countries like the Netherlands and Denmark and the 'disobedient' countries.
Thyssen (PPE). - (NL) Fra formand, selvom en fodboldkamp engang imellem kan fængsle mig, og selvom min første valgkampagne startede med at bolden blev givet op, må jeg indrømme, at jeg aldrig har set Jean-Marc Bosman spille.
What does the Commission think about the fact that Prime Minister Dehaene is effectively inciting to civil disobedience and allowing his countrymen to flout the law?
Jeg kan derfor ikke ønske ham til lykke på grund af hans sportspræstationer, men af andre grunde, på grund af hans ihærdighed, idet han fortsatte til den bitre ende i denne retssag i en anklage mod et system, der minder os om feudaltiden.
Bosman is a Belgian who has sacrificed his career in order to free others, including his fellow-Belgians, from a kind of modern-day slave trade, and he is being tackled and brought down by the Belgian Prime Minister!
Hvis de undlader dette, vil Kommissionen gribe ind i henhold til bestemmelserne om fri konkurrence.
This debate is only just beginning and we are just in the preliminary stages and very many questions could be asked about the social or cultural aspect, or public relations or public freedoms, of vocational training - I should just like to ask the Commissioner what is the Commission's position vis-à-vis the genuine war which seems to have repeatedly been opened by UEFA, already with indirect but very significant results in the Italian Chamber, with a genuinely unusual refusal to apply Community law?
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On the other hand, has the Commission - and if so when - really taken a proper and up-to-date look at the genuine dimension of the economic activities linked to spectator sports, especially professional football, whether directly - including pay for the 'artists', or indirectly, such as the relationship with related professions, equipment, publicity, trafficking and various kinds of money laundering? ring?
Det er min gruppes håb, at Kommissionen vil lægge lige så meget ihærdighed for dagen og få denne klare dom implementeret med alle de midler, den har til rådighed.
Next question. Does the Commission share my view that the funding of youth training may become a major problem, especially for the smaller clubs?
Fru formand, der er også nogle, som vi ikke ønsker til lykke, og det er FIFA, UEFA og blandt andre også det belgiske fodboldforbund.
Is the Commission then prepared to encourage solidarity amongst clubs, as AdvocateGeneral Lenz suggests in paragraph 226 ff., by redistributing income from television rights and ticket sales amongst the clubs?
Forudsat at pressen citerer dem korrekt, er de ikke blot særdeles demagogiske, men derudover også arrogante.
That would be advantageous to football as a whole, because in a division dominated by just one club the competition becomes less interesting, with all the financial consequences that entails.
Med hvilken ret mener de at kunne håndhæve deres egne spilleregler stik imod en dom afsagt af Europa-Domstolen?
In the Netherlands, for example, some 5 million guilders will be lost in transfer revenue.
Med hvilken ret hævder de at være hævet over loven?
As against 100 million guilders in television rights.
Det har chokeret rigtig mange mennesker og ikke kun jurister og purister.
Compensation could and should be found out of this
Det ville klæde fodboldforbundene i det mindste i deres offentlige erklæringer at vise respekt for ret og de retslige instanser.
And for the DFB, the German football association, to wam against foreign infiltration gives me goose-pimples.
Hvorfor nedlader de sig for resten til slogansprog ved at fremsætte den påstand, at
I regard that as a really terrible expression and a vision which should long have disappeared from the reality we have now.
Thyssen mellem »lovlydige« lande som Nederlandene og Danmark og »ulydige« lande.
How does the Community view this danger? Does it see any limit to this drift?
Hvad er Kommissionens holdning til, at eksempelvis premierminister Dehaene faktisk opfordrer til civil ulydighed og sanktionerer, at hans borgere ikke overholder loven?
It is also important that with this judgment against the old structure of the transfer system in sport a bastion has fallen that had very definite antifreedom features, really was anchored in anti-European attitudes and was also a form of lucrative trafficking in human beings.
Og for at det ikke skal være løgn, er Bosman ligefrem en belgier, der har ofret sin karriere for også for sine kollegers skyld at få ophævet et moderne slavehandelsystem, og så bliver det undergravet af en belgisk premierminister! minister!
After all, we discussed trafficking in human beings and ways of profiting from it this morning, and this is certainly one of them.
De beviser, at de helst bevæger sig ved eller på den anden side af samfundets rand, og at myndighederne er nødt til at gribe ind for at få dem indenfor igen og for at forhindre, at de sprænger de grundlæggende værdier i luften, som er nedfældet i vore sociale retssystemer samt i de af unionstraktaten sikrede borgerrettigheder.
But, following these Community provisions, the Treaty on Euro pean Union was adopted which is of more general application and which states, in Article F, that the Union respects the national identity of its Member States.
Det kan vi snakke Om, men ikke hvis dens formål skal være at bruge den professionelle fodbolds såkaldte specificitet som alibi for at unddrage sig regler, som vedrører Den Europæiske Unions grundlæggende værdier.
Consequently, does not the Commission believe that res pect for national identity should be added to the three cases of exemption provided for by Article 48?
Det er ting, min gruppe ikke kan acceptere.
Is this not a matter for the Intergovernmental Conference?
Er Kommissionen enig med mig i, at finansieringen af ungdomstræningen kan blive et stort problem navnlig for de mindre klubber?
Surely there is now a contradiction between the new system and maintaining the national transfer system.
Det er i fodboldspillets interesse i al almindelighed, idet tumeringen i en division, der domineres af én klub bliver mindre interessant med alt, hvad der deraf følger af finansielle konsekvenser. I Nederlandene kommer der eksempelvis på årsbasis til at mangle hen ved 5 millioner gylden i transferindtægter.
Surely the associations will then inevitably consider taking certain measures, for instance to prevent Papin from transferring from Bayern to Rapid Vienna.
På den anden side foreligger der 100 millioner gylden i fjernsynsrettigheder. En del af disse penge kunne og burde brages som kom pensation for at hjælpe klubber i nød, navnlig på området spilleraddannelse.
Amadeo (NI). - (IT) Madam President, Commissioner, the player Bosman and his club are in disagreement over some financial terms in connection with the parameters for his transfer to another club.
Er Kommissionen enig med mig i, at politikere; der antyder, at Bosmandommen kan gå tilbage, ved at der indføjes en idrætsartikel i traktaten, skaber falske forhåbninger?
Secondly - and Mrs Larive raised this point - coaching young people is an important task which is mainly carried out by the small clubs, which have done exemplary work here.
Europa-Parlamentet har hele tiden presset på for at få en idrætsartikel.
Should these clubs not be given assistance, because they did actually survive on transfer payments?
Men er Kommissionen enig med mig i, at topidræt altid vil være en økonomisk aktivitet, og at en idrætsartikel i traktaten ikke ændrer på det?
Karlsruhe SC is one example. And it would be devastating if this good youth work were to come to an end as a result.
Er Kommissionen villig til at skride til handling med henblik på at få ophævet det inteme transfersystem inden for et lands grænser, som jo forårsager konkurrencefordrejning og udvandring af gode spillere til udlandet?
A hierarchy has been created between EU players and non-EU players. I regard it as questionable if Swiss footballers, for instance, who have been playing successfully in Dortmund for years, cannot take part in this system because they are third country nationals or if Norwegian players or African players who have been playing here successfully for years cannot take part in it.
Fru formand, rent bortset fra det røre, dommen har vakt, er der også en række konkrete spørgsmål, som jeg gerne vil stille Kommissionen.
Although I believe it is indispensable to allow the greatest freedom of circulation and work within the Community, I cannot exempt myself from a few important considerations about the nature of the issue.
Punkt ét, kan Kommissionen aflægge en redegørelse om, at en aftale mellem - lad mig kalde dem arbejdsmarkedets parter - fodboldforbundene og spillemes fagforeninger ikke, aldrig kan være i strid med traktatens regler?
First of all, the Court of Justice, in my opinion, has not taken into consideration the implications of its choices for young people, for the children of the immigrants and for public opinion.
Punkt to, vil Kommissionen benytte sig af samtlige sanktionsmuligheder, hvis traktaten tilsidesættes, såvel med hensyn til transferreglerne som til tre-plus-to-grænsen?
Financial rewards for the transfer of players who get to the end of their contract are not arbitrary, but established on the basis of a parameter set at international level in accordance with the contractual remuneration payable to the player to be transferred and to his age.
Punkt tre, vil Kommissionen støtte de kræfter, der går ind for en traktatændring, der går ud på at undtage professionelle sportsudøvere fra nydelsen af de borgerlige rettigheder, som selv samme traktat indrømmer dem?
This indemnity has been introduced in order to compensate the expenses that the clubs incur for the training of young players. Lacking this indemnity, clubs that are not rich enough could no longer afford to organise youth teams.
Punkt fire, kan Kommissionen bekræfte, at vi også i post-Bosman-perioden alligevel vil kunne opleve en kamp Belgien-Nederlandene med udelukkende belgiske spillere på den ene side og udelukkende nederlændere på den anden?
I believe that the value of this social function far exceeds that of the discovery of a future champion since, thanks to this initiative, millions of boys in Europe are taken off the street and learn - at least this is the aim - the rules of sport and loyalty chasing the dream of sporting glory.
Om ikke andet, fru formand, så for de folks skyld, der ikke gør sig den ulejlighed eller ikke har mulighed for selv at læse dommen, og for sådanne folks skyld, der ellers ville ligge under for fodboldforbundenes demagogi.
At the most, one out of one hundred thousand will have the qualities to become a professional player or even a champion.
Jeg takker på forhånd Kommissionen for dens svar og for den redegørelse, der viser,- at det også er Kommissionens opfattelse, at det er en sag, der ikke kun har at gøre. med erhvervsudøvelse, med mange penge og med magt, men tillige en sag, der har at gøre med rettigheder og værdier.
It is only fair that, if his skills can be bought by another club, the proceeds of the sale should be employed to. allow many others to play.
Anser Kommissionen således spillede kampe for at være ulovlige, óg hvad agter den at gøre?
Yet the Bosman judgement also brings a beneficial effect which nobody appears to have noticed.
I dag står vi blot ved indledningen til en vanskelig, men absolut nødvendig og presserende debat.
However, even when limited to nationals of the Member States, the Bosman judgement brings serious problems.
Det er rent faktisk uforståeligt, at der stadig kan herske tvivl om den sociale betydning af sportsfænomenet og -showet.
It could in fact open the door to the abolition of the nationality condition for all kinds of profession closely
Hvilke skridt agter Kommissionen i den sammenhæng at tage mod forbundene, der hævder, at de ikke kan lave om på reglerne midt i sæsonen. Her opstår retlig ulighed
It takes only the intervention of an agent without scruples - and there are many of those in the world of football - ready to offer higher rewards to the best players of a team to demolish this team in a few days.
Ved indledningen til denne debat, der nu har fået en præambel - og der vil være mange spørgsmål der skal
We know that in public esteem in some Member States the local football team is a symbol, the pride of a town, an object of faithful devotion.
Ribeiro modsigelse!
Amadeo real dialogue has even begun.
Mener Kommissionen ikke, at man burde afhjælpe den?
Perhaps a little more restraint might be called for here.
Berthu (EDN). - (FR) Fra formand, i dommen, der blev afsagt af De Europæiske Fællesskabers Domstol den 15. december 1995, den såkaldte »Bosman-dom«, hedder det, at sportsudøvere i Fællesskabet frit kan tilbyde deres tjenester til klubber, og at klubberne frit kan modtage dem uden betingelser om nationalitet.
In addition, it is dangerous to stifle regulations on the number of foreign players allowed to take part in matches.
Denne dom, som synes at tilgodese regler, der strider mod al sund fornuft, har ført til heftige protester, hvilket endnu en gang vil styrke følelsen af, at de europæiske beslutningstagere arbejder i en abstrakt verden uden at tage hensyn til borgemes ønsker og bekymringer.
It is not possible to apply to sporting events the same rules which hold for all other workers and in any other circumstance because each competition has its own characteristics: let us take, for example, the national team.
Men Bosmandommen indeholder en sidegevinst, som ingen synes at have bemærket.
For me the problem lies in the immediate effect of the judgment.
Roth (V). - (DE) Fra formand, vi er særdeles tilfreds med denne dom, og den glædede os meget, fordi dommerne i Domstolen satte europæiske idealer meget højt og tillige traf afgørelse om nationalt hovmod.
It will lead to distortion of competition and not, Mrs Larive, between the clubs of different countries in international competitions; primarily it will lead to distortion of competition during the current championship. That is the problem.
Og når DFB, den tyske boldspilunion, advarer mod fremmed dominans, får jeg gåsehud.
It gives preference to those who have already been able to afford a large number of foreign players, without using them, thanks to their financial position and their incomes.
Jeg synes, det er et ganske forfærdeligt udtryk og en synsmåde, der allerede længe ikke har måttet gøres gældende, hvad angår den virkelighed, vi lever i.
For then a club like Bayern Munich, for instance, or some other club in another country could take on seven foreign players overnight and thereby distort the course of the championship.
Men selv om Bosmandommen kun gælder arbejdstagere, der kommer fra en af medlemsstaterne, medfører den alligevel alvorlige problemer.
The argument of the jurists is renowned: we must respect the Maastricht Treaty and, therefore, we must allow the free Circulation of workers even when these are football players.
Den kan faktisk bane vejen for afskaffelsen af nationalitetsklausulen for alle erhverv, der hænger nært sammen med den nationale identitet, på et tidspunkt måske også udøvelsen af de kongeliges funktioner.
However, if we cannot prevent a professional team from recruiting all the players of any nation of the Member States of the European Community, the number of players allowed to participate in a competition must depend on the nature of the competition itself, the rules of which are determined by its organisers.
Hvad mener Kommissionen om denne risiko? Kan den se nogen grænse for denne uheldige udvikling?
This task, in my opinion, should be delegated to the various national federations.
Vi har jo i denne uge drøftet menneskehandel og de måder, hvorpå man kan tjene penge på den, og dér hører dette sikkert med.
This actually runs counter to the spirit and purpose of the judgment and will restrict future freedom of movement, because in fact the large majority of players will have to consent to signing longterm contracts.
Men efter vedtagelsen af disse fællesskabsbestemmelser vedtog man Traktaten om Den Europæiske Union, som gælder mere generelt, hvor det i artikel F hedder, át Unionen respekterer medlemsstatemes nationale identitet.
Paradoxically, in fact, a bachelor could apply to the Court of Justice if he were not allowed to play in a team of his choice against a team of married men!
Mener Kommissionen derfor ikke, at respekten for den nationale identitet bør tilføjes til de tre undtagelser i artikel 48? Bør dette spørgsmål ikke behandles på regeringskonferencen? ferencen?
Mrs Roth mentioned the term foreign infiltration, which has supposedly been heard in football club circles.
Jeg har tre spørgsmål til kommissæren: Der opstår jo nu alligevel en modsigelse mellem det nye system og bevarelsen af det nationale transfersystem.
I believe that an addition should be made to the new Treaty in order to exempt sporting matters, in the same way as there is a cultural exemption, negotiated by the European Union within the framework of GATT in the Uruguay Round. Sport is not an economic activity like the others.
Skal denne modsigelse ikke ophæves og overvindes, når der nationalt fortsat kan forlanges transferbeløb? Hvis nu f.eks. Bayern München køber spillere af 1.
We should take into consideration, in particular, its social and educational implications, for which special allowances should be made, both under the competition rale and the rule on the free circulation of workers.
FC Köln, skal der fortsat være mulighed for transferbeløb, medens de bortfalder, hvis f.eks. en spiller vil skifte fra Bayern til Wien.
This joint appeal is made on the one hand to the European Commission and on the other to the sporting authorities of FIFA and UEFA, so that they may, considering all aspects, find an effective way for achieving a correct and peaceful solution of this vital, issue.
Så vil klubberne alligevel nødvendigvis gøre sig tanker om bestemte foranstaltninger med henblik på at hindre, at f.eks. Papin skifter fra Bayern til Rapid Wien.
In the developments to which the judgment will inevitably give rise I see different and more positive features than most of you do and I also hope, Commissioner, that it will prove possible through the talks between the Commission and the clubs, especially the UEFA but also the national clubs, to achieve practical solutions.
Er det ikke en modsigelse og skal den ikke ophæves?
What we have now is not a practical solution.
Amadeo (NI). - (IT) Fru formand, hr. kommissær, fodboldspilleren Bosman har haft en økonomisk konflikt med den klub, han er tilknyttet, i forbindelse med den indflydelse, dette krævede på hans overgang til en anden klub.
Liittge (PSE). - (DE) Madam President, I want to take this opportunity to express an opinion that differs somewhat from the substance of most of what has been said.
Spilleren har indbragt sagen for EF-Domstolen, og Domstolens dom rokker ved grundlaget for professionel fodbold i Europa.
First I want to say to Mrs Jessica Larive that it has absolutely nothing to do with reality to keep talking of slave-holding here -1 always thought that was ajoke.
For det andet - fra Larive var inde på det - er ungdom sarbejdet en vigtig opgave, som navnlig er blevet gjort af små klubber, som her har ydet et forbilledligt stykke arbejde.
In the Bosman case it is quite clear that it was not the UEFA rules that were at fault but that the Liège club breached existing rules, i.e., that it should have let Bosman go.
Skal der ikke ydes støtte her, da disse klubber jo rent faktisk har levet af transferbeløb? Karlsruher SC er et sådant eksempel.
You know that. Secondly, I can well imagine this kind of life of slavery.
Et sidste punkt vedrører den restriktive definition på spillere, som berøres af dette system.
Sir Leon, I am pleased that, you were prepared to hold a dialogue.
Der indføres et hierarki mellem EU-spillere og ikke-EU-spillere.
And that is in fact what we expected in this difficult situation.