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Men mit spørgsmål til formanden er følgende: Betyder det ikke, at Kommissionen i sidste ende mister sit endelige ansvar i kampen mod svig?
You told us that you had met with the President of Parliament and that you were going to take steps so that certain information which we wish to obtain in the context of an other dossier -1 will not go into this today - can be com municated to us as soon as possible.
Det er et meget vigtigt punkt. Kun Parlamentet har den ansvarlige institution for bud gettet som den institution, det kommunikerer med. Hvis det ophører, hvem er det eksterne undersøgelseskontor så ansvarlig over for?
I hope that this is the case, in the interests of both our institutions.
Til at begynde med ser jeg gerne et styrket UCLAF i Kommissionen, men med fuld uafhængighed.
I believe that the Court of Auditors' report has not been mentioned sufficiently, given that the Bosch report is based on this.
Måske bør direktøren udnævnes af Revisionsretten eller Domstolen og med en instistutionel aftale om samarbejde med andre institutioner.
It is a quite overwhelming document which leads me to ask the question that was asked in ancient Rome: Quis custodiei custodes?
Står vi da ikke med en mere alvorlig situation?
The climate is one of concern, as stated in the Bosch report.
Jeg håber, vi kan nå frem til et positivt svar. Der burde ske noget, så hr. Bösch ikke bliver nedstemt, men jeg tror ikke, at dette er enden på diskussionen.
We are rightly ask ing ourselves where the Community's resources are go ing, and in particular what use may have been made of them at a given moment.
Som fru Theato sagde, det er begyndelsen på diskussionen, men det haster med en reaktion.
However, it has not been men tioned that the Court of Auditors' report highlights seri ous shortcomings in the operation of UCLAF itself: lack of transparency, lack of security, lack of permanent offi-
Manglende informationsstrømme og dårlig koordinering er et andet punkt.
Holm (V). - (SV) Over recent years we have seen various ways in which the Commission's way of operating has proved conducive to fraud.
Fremtidige muligheder for svigagtige manøvrer
But I do not believe we can leave it there.
Miranda (GUE/NGL). - (PT) Hr. formand, Revisionsrettens undersøgelse af det område, som er til behandling,
Mr Jacques Santer once announced eloquently 'We need openness and transparency.' Fine words are not enough, Mr Santer, action is also required.
sætter virkelig fingeren på det ømme punkt.
ciais - half the people working for UCLAF are temporary staff - deficiencies in the Unit's database, and so on.
Der er hver ken de ringeste midler eller de grundlæggende forudsætninger til stede for at kunne gøre noget ved den svig og korruption, som helt sikkert er til stede, og som der stadig bliver mere af.
It is said that UCLAF's computer system was set up by the Perry-Lux company, and some are even going so far as to refer to the risk of misuse of the data.
Jeg er blot interesseret i en ekstern enhed, der kan kontrollere Kommissionen.
That investment would surely pay dividends.
Dell'Alba (ARE). - (IT) Hr. formand, hr. formand for Kommissionen, kære kolleger, først og fremmest vil jeg gerne på vegne af Gruppen Europæisk Radikal Alliance rette en dybtfølt tak til Jaak Vandemeulebroucke for de 17 år, han har tilbragt i Europa-Parlamentet, og for det arbejde af fælles interesse, som han har udført i alle disse år.
Elles (PPE). - Mr President, I rise as the parliamentarian responsible for recommending discharge for the 1996 budget.
Jeg ønsker ham held og lykke med det, han giver sig til ef ter at have nedlagt sit mandat i Europa-Parlamentet.
I have listened to this debate with great interest as this is one of the main subjects, within the granting of the 1996 budget discharge, that we must decide upon before the end of the year.
Kampen mod svig og korruption kræver derfor, at meget bliver ændret, hvad angår mulig heden for indgreb eksternt, men også - og først og frem mest - hvad angår indgreb internt.
Mr President, I agree with your acceptance of the im proved operation of UCLAF and your rejection of the creation of a new institute, as also voiced by Mr Dankert.
Uden at gå ind på specialområder vil jeg sige, at en sådan ændring skal foregå i to afgørende retninger: Muligheden for at gribe ind inden for Fællesskabets egne institutioner skal forstærkes, især gennem en styrkelse af det omtalte korps af embedsmænd og ved at fjerne hindrende bindinger samt garantere UCLAF tilstrækkelige virkemidler, og samtidig ved at sikre et tilfredsstillende samarbejde med tilsvarende tjenester i medlemsstaterne.
I believe that our work should be improved and extended so that UCLAF can be truly independent, within the pos sible structures - that is the current structures - so that it can be strengthened, and so that there is an end to these leaks and incriminations, which only poison the atmosphere and which do nothing for either ourselves or for Eu rope.
Gennemskuelighed, uafhængighed for det organ, der skal bekæmpe svig, og mulighed for indgreb over for alle in stitutioner, også Kommissionen, er strengt nødvendigt og må have første prioritet.
van Dam (I-EDN). - (NL) Mr President, Mr President and Members of the Commission, there can be no doubt that measures to combat fraud within the European institutions need considerable improvement.
ECHO-sagen og den måde, som den er blevet behandlet på af Kommissionen, navnlig i dets forhold til Parlamentet, får os uundgåeligt til at drage den konklusion og gå ind for det forslag, at UCLAF om skabes til et selvstændigt kontor.
The Court of Au ditors' report has brought a number of serious shortcomings to light. One of them is the fact that UCLAF has hitherto been able to conduct investigations only within the Commission, not in other EU institutions.
De sagde det uden omsvøb, og i øvrigt genoptog visse talere diskussionen.
On the first point, the conduct of matters, I very much welcome his wish to give us further information so that we can better understand what is happening within the Commission.
Deres indlæg var altså meget belejlig.
I hope this will be done as soon as possible.
Der er selvfølgelig grænser for forventningerne.
He advocates the setting up of an Anti-Fraud Office, with an interinstitutional remit.
Jeg vil i denne forbindelse særlig pege på muligheden for at gribe ind eksternt, der kun kan forbedres lidt, medmindre det omtalte samarbejde med medlemsstaterne bliver til noget, og medmindre der også fra deres side er reel politisk vilje til handling.
In his remarks he made a comment which seemed a little strange, saying it would not be proper to impose individual sanctions on officials who committed these irregular ities for the sole purpose of keeping departments goings One wonders where responsibility begins and ends.
Ligesom jeg også mener, at der må udvises en vis forsigtighed inden for især kriminalretsforfølgning og ekstern indgriben.
Edith Müller was absolutely right to say that, in certain in stances, without of course conducting a witch hunt, where there is responsibility then that responsibility must be taken up.
Det håber jeg for vores to institutioners skyld.
And that will not change after the Treaty of Amsterdam is ratified.
Men intet af dette hindrer det afgørende skridt fremad, som ordføreren foreslår.
Investigation outside the institutions is not reconcilable with the laws of Member States or their criminal justice systems.
Det er tværtimod en særdeles væsentlig minimumsbetingelse for i det hele taget at imødegå de forhold, som vi álle kender til.
I thus reject outright recitals L and M, in which the rapporteur calls for a European criminal law area and a European Public Prosecution Service.
Holm (V). - (SV) Hr. formand, det nuværende system in den for Kommissionen, som muliggør bedragerier, har i de seneste år på flere måder vist sig at være helt uacceptabelt.
Secondly, as the Court of Auditors report said, on the broader point of improving the system, we want to strengthen the UCLAF operation rather than weaken it.
Ikke mindst har de seneste bedragerihistorier, som Revisionsretten har fremlagt, været et bevis på, at der er behov for en ekstern enhed til bekæmpelse af den interne korruption og bedrageri, som åbenbart findes i EU's organer. Jeg tror imidlertid ikke, at det er nok.
No doubt once we have had this debate and voted, we can also take into account the remarks made by the President of the Commission, so that we can have a really efficient procedure for antifraud to take us into the 21st century.
Offentlighed er et af de bedre midler til at forhindre intern korruption, hvilket Kommissionen burde vide.
Lukas (NI). - (DE) Mr President, Mr Bosch's report is clear in its assessment of the situation and explicit in its demands.
Jeg mener ikke, at Revisionsrettens rapport, som Boschbetænkningen bygger på, er blevet nævnt i tilstrækkelig grad. Det er et temmelig overvældende dokument, som får mig til at stille det spørgsmål, som man stillede i det antikke Rom: Quis costodiet custodes? Der er uro i luften.
Rack (PPE). - (DE) Mr President, there is method in madness, but if madness is the only source of our method, a new type of method is needed.
Jeg mener, at et kontrolorgan, der svæver frit i luften, som hr. Bosch sagde, absolut kan blive godt, hvis det i til strækkelig grad udstyres med førsteklasses personale. Den investering ville helt bestemt kunne betale sig.
be based on respect for the law, and, although it is a body that will be dependent on the Commission, it will have full political independence.
Hr. formand, jeg er enig med Dem, når De siger ja til en forbedret ledelse af UCLAF og nej til oprettelsen af et nyt institut, som det i øvrigt blev sagt af hr. Dankert.
Mr President, when voting on the Bosch report, there can only be one way to vote: either we are for or we are against change.
Elles (PPE). - (EN) Hr. formand, jeg rejser mig som den parlamentariker, der er ansvarlig for anbefalingen af de charge for 1996- budgettet.
Mr President, we welcome your proposals that the ideas put forward by Mr Bosch be further developed.
Jeg vil gerne komme med et par personlige kommentarer til debatten.
Gradin, Member of the Commission. - (SV) Mr President, many thanks for a diverse and constructive debate.
For det første er jeg meget glad for, at for manden for Kommissionen kom til Parlamentet her i ef termiddag for at fortælle os, hvad han mener om tingenes tilstand og for at se frem i tiden.
Parliament and the Commission need to work together on the basis of mutual trust, and I am therefore in favour of plenty of discussion of this proposal in the House.
Van Dam (I-EDN). - (NL) Hr. formand, hr. formand for Kommissionen, ærede medlemmer af Kommissionen, at bedrageribekæmpelsen inden for de europæiske institutioner skal forbedres meget, er uomtvisteligt.
You, Mr President, have assumed political responsibility. When will the two main defendants, Commissioners Marin and Bonino, do likewise?
I Revisionsrettens særberetning kommer der nogle alvorlige mangler frem i dagens lys.
How quickly will the promised disciplinary law become fully operative?
Én af disse er, at UCLAF indtil nu kun har kunnet anstille undersøgelser inden for Kommissionen og ikke hos andre EU-institutioner.
How long do we really have to wait until each of the relevant documents is available?
Med rette understreger ordføreren, at det er nødvendigt, at alle institutioner har en hensigtsmæssig beskyttelse mod bedrageri.
UCLAF is still young - not yet ten years old - and of course it has experienced growing pains.
Han argumenterer for oprettelsen af et kontor til bedrageribekæmpelse med interinstitutionelle opgaver.
Over time, though, it has developed into a very good organisation, in my opinion.
Sammen med bl.a. kollegerne Dankert og Wemheuer vil jeg hellere udvide den eksisterende UCLAF's kompetence. tence.
Three years ago UCLAF's staff were scattered throughout the Commission. Today the whole operation is under one roof.
I sine bemærkninger kom han med en kommentar, der syntes lidt mærkelig, idet han sagde, at det ikke ville være passende at pålægge individuelle sanktioner på medarbejdere, der begik disse uregelmæssigheder alene med det formål at holde afdelinger kørende.
And one final word: the fact that the Group of the Party of European Socialists has left its rapporteur out in the cold makes me think and should make us all think.
Man kan undre sig over, hvor ansvaret begynder og slutter.
Would it do the same if the incriminated Commissioners had different affinities?
Her vil jeg imidlertid gerne understrege, at denne instans kun skal beskæftige sig med intern opsporing, altså bedrageri inden for EU-institutionerne.
Several speakers stated that the Court of Auditors has uncovered cases of irregularity and fraud, yet it was UCLAF, not the Court, which did the uncovering.
Også efter ratificeringen af Amsterdamtraktaten forandres dette ikke.
And this call was heeded by both the Commission and UCLAF.
Undersøgelser uden for institutionerne er i strid med med lemsstaternes grundlove og strafferetlige systemer.
We have now made changes in working methods.
Jeg afviser derfor betragtningerne L og M i betænkningen, hvor ordføreren går ind for et europæisk juridisk område og et europæisk justitsministerium.
In July a new programme was adopted, laying down how UCLAF's investigations should be organised and, importantly, providing for protection for individuals supplying information.
PPE ønsker at støtte Bosch-betænkningen, selvom den ikke støttes af hans egne kolleger, fordi vi me ner, at det er nødvendigt med fremskridt.
And, in order to do this, I am going to discuss the crux of the problem, and the points in the Bosch report on which I am sure we agree.
Når først vi har haft diskussionen og afstemningen, kan vi uden tvivl også tage kommissionsformandens kommentarer med i betragtning, så vi kan få en rigtig effektiv procedure til bekæmpelse af svig, der skal føre os ind i det 21. århundrede. rede.
I believe that we all agree that UCLAF has gone through a stage that has involved more positive than negative points, but also that it has reached a point where it is in need of more economic and human resources.
Forbedring af bedrageribekæmpelse uden for EU-institutionerne skal søges i optimalisering af de nationales opsporingstjenesters arbejde og samarbejdet derimellem.
It is at a point where its powers need to be extended to include all Community institutions and, above all, it has reached a point where it must be transparent in order to be credible.
Kommissionens bedrageribekæmpelsestjenester spiller her en vigtig koordinerende rolle.
I hope that no-one will throw up their hands in horror if I say that whilst ex amining the report on ECHO, Parliament lost faith in the antifraud unit.
Boschbetænkningen er blevet syltet, og det, der siden er kommet offentligt frem, er katastrofalt.
As a parallel exercise, we have launched SEM 2000, the aim of which is to overhaul our general administrative culture and turn, ourselves into a fitter and more modern institution.
Det er igen sådan, som det i sin tid var med BSE og mange andre problematiske sager, som også er blevet nævnt i dag.
I should like to conclude by saying that my personal ex perience has taught me that openness and transparency are of great value in pre-empting fraud and corruption in an organisation.
Do kumenter forsvinder; de er der ikke, og vi kan ikke mere undersøge noget.
That is why we in the Commission, with the help of the Amsterdam Treaty, are working alongside our partners to foster more open and transparent practices for the future.
De skyldige er der heller ikke mere.
President. - Thank you, Mrs Gradin.
Lukas (NI). - (DE) Hr. formand, Boschbetænkningen er klar i sin bedømmelse af situationen og tydelig i sit krav.
Therefore, the time has come not only to provide UCLAF with all it requires but to create a truly new version of UCLAF so that its credibility can be salvaged.
Jeg mener imidlertid ikke, at det fører til målet, hvis an sættelsesmyndighedens beføjelser over for OLAF placeres hos Kommissionen.
UCLAF must ensure that it leads the way in the transition from the current system to becoming a true officer of the court with an enhanced group of criminal experts.
Derimod bifalder jeg forslaget om, at OLAF's arbejde skal overvåges af et uafhængigt kontrolorgan bestående af fem personer.
And there is no better way to redefine its organisation and legal frame work than to make use of this key moment in relations be tween Parliament and the Commission.
Men OLAF's uafhængighed ville ikke være reel, så længe Kommissionen også blot indirekte er øverste ansættelsesmyndighed.
We can face up to the challenge before us: the Council, the Commission and Parliament are responsible for doing everything that is necessary to establish an antifraud office.
Gradin, medlem af Kommissionen. - (SV) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne sige tak for en god og konstruktiv diskus sion.
President. - The next item is the report (A4-0289/98) by Mr Miranda, on behalf of the Committee on Budgetary Control, on the discharge procedure for the 1996 budget:
Vi anser det for vigtigt og rigtigt, at det sker.
Section I, European Parliament
De har, hr. formand, påtaget Dem et politisk ansvar.
Section IV, Court of Justice
Ville den gøre det samme, hvis de anklagede kommissærer havde haft andre politiske sympatier?
Section VI, Economic and Social Committee and Committee of the Regions.
Lad mig udrydde et par misforståelser.
Indeed, the errors were legion.
Nogle talere har sagt, at Revisionsretten har opdaget tilfælde af uoverensstemmelser og fusk. Det er ikke Revisionsretten, der har gjort disse opdagelser, men UCLAF selv.
Use was not made - in this, as in other earlier processes of a similar nature -of the op tion unilaterally to establish the sum to be paid in ad vance.
Man har sagt, at der er behov for et bedre arkiv, hvilket vi har taget alvorligt både i Kommissionen og i UCLAF, og vi har ændret arbejdsmetoderne og indførte i juli et nyt program for, hvordan UCLAF skal arbejde med sine undersøgelser, ikke mindst med henblik på beskyt telse af individer.
Opinions were given and comments were made, some of them contradictory, others too late and irrelevant, contributing nothing to the satisfactory and timely solution of the matter but only complicating things still further. ther.
Samtidig har vi også skabt SEM 2000 for at ændre vores administration og kulturen i vores administration med henblik på at skabe en mere moderne organisation.
First and foremost, it is a report by the Committee On Budgetary Control which was the subject of long and transparent reflection and thought and was finally approved almost unanimously.
Fabra Valles (PPE). - (ES) Hr. formand, ved afslutningen på denne forhandling vil jeg se bort fra modsætningerne, for at vi kan blive enige.
Not even the main priority was observed, no attempt was even made to keep the losses to a minimum, as would have occurred if at least the advance payment of ECU 29.5 million had been made.
Og derfor vil jeg tale om det grundlæggende spørgsmål.
Some lessons should at least be learned to prevent any recurrence of such situations.
Jeg mener, at vi kan være enige om, at UCLAF har gennemgået en periode med flere succeser end fejl, men at det nu har behov for flere økonomiske og menneskelige ressourcer, behov for at dets beføjelser udvides til alle Fællesskabets organer, og især er tidspunktet kommet, hvor det har behov for gennemskuelighed for at være tro værdigt.
Maximum transparency and stringency are essential in filling such posts, and all possible steps should be taken to en sure efficient and continuous cooperation between the various services of the House.
Jeg håber, at ingen bliver forarget, når jeg siger, at Parlamentet efter behandlingen af betænkningen om ECHO har mistet tiltroen til bedrageribekæmpelsesenheden.
I would like to end this point on a positive note by men tioning the measures subsequently taken by the Secretary-General to remedy such administrative errors and to en sure the success of recruitment competitions.
Til sidst vil jeg gerne sige, at det er min personlige erfaring, at offentlighed er et vældig godt værktøj, hvis man ønsker at forhindre fusk og bedrageri i en organisation.
I would also like to say that the differences that may exist between the report we are discussing today and the ver sion I would have preferred do not prevent me from ap proving it in its entirety.
Der er også grunden til, at vi både fra Kommissionens side og fra anden side ved hjælp af Amsterdamtraktaten forsøger at skabe mere offentlighed i vores aktiviteter.
Second, and no less im portant, because I fear that if a disagreement arises on a particular point, however important, the fundamental problems which most urgently need a response will be neglected. glected.
Afstemningen finder sted i morgen kl. 11.30.
Having said that, let us move on to the substance of the re port.
Formanden. - Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (A4-0289/98) af Miranda for Budgetkontroludvalget om dechargeproceduren for gennemførelsen af budgettet for regnskabsåret 1996
It is important that these two particularly serious factors should not, however, lead us to ignore other matters relating to the implementation of the budget which also de serve attention and appropriate action to correct them.
Af disse årsager er tiden kommet for ikke blot at forsyne UCLAF med alt, hvad der er nødvendigt, men også at om strukturere det, så det kan genvinde troværdigheden.
On the subject now of the Economic and Social Commit tee, as I said before, the audits carried out both internally and by the Court of Auditors reveal obvious irregularities and manifest administrative negligence in connection with the travel expenses of members.
Det skal være det selv samme UCLAF, der bliver spydspidsen, som i det nuværende system baner vejen for et retspoliti, hvor enheden med strafferetseksperter styrkes.
It should be remembered that the Council itself, when it learned of the results of the audits, stated its opinion on the matter in the clear est terms.
Vi skal være i stand til at klare den udfordring, vi står over for: Rådet, Kommissionen og Parlamentet har ansvaret for at bidrage med det nødvendige til, at der oprettes et kontor til bekæmpelse af svig med rigtige eksperter og professionelle, hvis. adfærdskodeks er respekt for loven, og som reelt har politisk uafhængighed, selvom det organisatorisk afhænger af Kommissionen.
However, certain measures have subsequently been instituted and remedial action taken but, if discharge is to be granted, it is essential that the Court of Auditors and UCLAF take note of the conclusions, particularly as regards responsibilities, the reliability of the new system of reimbursement and the conditions for recovering sums overpaid.
Altså et kontor der har den ligevægt, der er nødvendig for, at dets arbejde er i Fællesskabets og ikke en eller anden stats interesse.
It is obvious that until these matters have been settled, we cannot grant the discharge.
Hr. formand, ved afstemningen om Boschbetænkningen er der kun et spørgsmål: om man er for eller imod foran dringer.
My particular concern in the report, from the outset, was to examine these two issues in a balanced manner, as this is the only way to show people the various errors which led to the loss of the sum in question and, consequently, the opportunity to pay for D3 in advance.
Sektion VI Det Økonomiske og Sociale Udvalg samt Regionsudvalget.
Secondly, we need to in clude the Court of Auditors systematically in the horizontal audits carried out.
man havde gjort i tidligere tilfælde, og det hele blev besværliggjort, som hvis der ikke var frister, der skulle over holdes, selvom disse var lige ved at udløbe.
Lastly, I would emphasise that Parliament's particular re sponsibilities in the discharge procedure mean that the Commission needs to draft amendments to the Financial Regulation promptly.
Der blev fremsendt udtalelser, og der blev fremført bemærkninger, nogle selvmodsigende, andre for sent og uden sammen hæng med sagen, hvilket ikke bidrog til en tilfredsstillende og rettidig behandling, men besværliggjorde det hele.
And they make it essential that Par liament should be consulted prior to the appointment of the treasurer and financial auditor of each of the decentralised institutions and agencies.