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Formanden. - Hr. Tomlinson, det drejer sig ganske rigtigt om en forhandling under ét, og i den anledning vil jeg gerne slå noget fast, for at vi ikke igen skal stå over for de vanskeligheder, vi mødte i den foregående mødeperiode.
On the first point, the question of any undervaluation in 1988 - and this answers Mrs Read's point - has absolute ly nothing to do with this sale.
Vi har en forhandling under ét om en betænkning og en mundtlig forespørgsel.
Undervaluation can only be established by answering the question: Would anyone else have paid more for Rover than British Aerospace did in 1988?
I overensstemmelse med vor nye artikel 40 vil jeg derfor anmode hr. Bangemann om at besvare den mundtlige forespørgsel, der hører med til denne forhandling under ét. hvad der ikke vil forhindre ham i også at udtale sig om betænkningen af fru Read. Dernæst vil vi høre de øvrige talere, og om nødvendigt vil De kunne tage ordet igen ved forhandlingens afslutning.
I would remind Mr Tomlinson and his colleagues that British Aerospace have invested over £200 million a year since 1988, to say nothing of investment in training skills and management.
Jeg håber, at denne mundtlige forespørgsel er en seriøs anmodning om oplysninger fra kommissær Bangemann og ikke blot endnu et tåbeligt forsøg på at spilde Parlamentets tid med at angribe Det Forenede Kongeriges regering.
On the second question, the company intends to notify the Commission of the transaction and the Commission must look at it and take a decision in due course.
Jeg er bange for. at vi må forvente mere misbrug af den art i de næste par måneder.
Mr Tomlinson well knows that the company's combined turnover is less than 7% of the European Community market and hardly represents a monopolistic threat.
Tomlinson (PSE). - (EN) Fru formand, en bemærkning til forretningsordenen.
Tomlinson (PSE). - Madam President, a major aspect of concern over the BMW takeover of Rover was how the decision was made.
At der er tale om en bemærkning til forretningsordenen, er ganske indlysende.
In Germany the BMW supervisory board was informed of proposals which were discussed and approved.
Også jeg er medlem af Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender og Borger nes Rettigheder.
In the United Kingdom, workers in Birmingham, in Oxford, in component suppliers heard of it by the rather unusual mechanism of the Tony Butler Show on BBC Radio West Midlands.
Hr. Simpson gav sig ud for at være ordfører for dette udvalg.
Workers who in Birmingham.
Det er noget, som er aldeles uanstændigt, og det er misbrug af hans stilling som ordfører for dette udvalg.
As to question three, the Commissioner will give an answer on this.
Påstanden om. at der skulle foreligge en undervurdering, kan kun bevises, dersom man besvarer spørgsmålet: Ville nogen anden have belali mere for Rover, end British Aerospace gjorde i 1988?
Honda, who have helped Rover from being a basket-case into a European success story were in negotiations to increase their share in Rover but apparently did not get a reply to their offers. So what really happened?
Jeg vil gerne minde hr. Tom linson og hans kolleger om. al British Aerospace halinvesteret mere end 200 millioner britiske pund om året
What really happened was that British Aerospace sold their 80% holding for reasons not related to Rover, not related to the manufacturing needs, not related to indus-
Men udvalget havde ikke drøftet min mundtlige forespørgsel.
Miert but since it is his answer I shall read it out word for word.
Han burde have udtalt sig om betænknin gen om konkurrencepolitikken, hvori der ikke nævnes noget af de problemer, der er indeholdt i min forespørgsel.
trial strategy but exclusively for reasons relating to get cash into their balance sheet for themselves.
Derfor var der tale om misbrug fra hr. Simpson's side, og han burde ikke have fået ordet efter forretningsordenen. ordenen.
Members will recall that British Aerospace, when they took over Rover, broke competition rules, offended the Commission over 'sweeteners', incurred criticism from the Uni ted Kingdom National Audit Office for purchasing the assets below value and now they have made a windfall gain.
Formanden. - Hr. Tomlinson, De har nu ordet i Deres egenskab af forespørger.
That windfall gain should not be confused with some of the nonsense that has been spoken about the befits of investment in the United Kingdom.
Union har fundet sted siden 1988. På den måde er der erhvervet aktiver i produktion i Det Forenede Kongerige for ca. 50 milliarder britiske pund.
The Commission does not intend to re-examine the sale of the Rover Group to British Aerospace in 1988 as a result of the present takeover of the group by BMW AG.
Vi bør stille os selv spørgsmålet: hvorfor?
The Commission examined those conditions of sale in the context of its decision in 1990.
Ikke af overbevisende grunde i henseende til industriel logik i alle tilfælde, men mere af grunde, der står i forbindelse med de logiske konsekvenser af Det Forenede Kongeriges ulogiske fravalg af den sociale dimension, som 1 I medlemsstater blev enige om i MaastrichtTTraktaten.
In that decision it required British Aerospace for the first time to pay back the socalled sweeteners which the British Government had illegally granted it in addition to the conditions laid down in the 1988 decision. But those facts are well known.
Dette fravalg er et fravalg, for hvilket den britiske regering og det konservative parti, således som det repræsenteres af hr. Simpson, vil blive straffet af det britiske folk ved Europa-valgene til juni.
The £800m of BMW cash that went to British Aerospace has not been invested in the car industry of the United Kingdom or the European Union.
Det eraf disse grunde, vi stiller spørgsmålene til kommis sær Bangemann, og vi glæder os til at høre en logisk redegørelse fra ham - og ikke. det håber vi i hvert fald, en undskyldning for den britiske regering.
It has gone to reduce the British Aerospace indebtedness by putting more money into a banking system which is already drowning in liquidity because there is no demand for the industrial investment.
Bangemann, næstformand i Kommissionen. - (EN) Fru formand, det er meget farligt for mig at blande mig i britiske anliggender.
The Commission has further stated that the information knowingly withheld by the British authorities in 1988 in the result changed nothing of the decision adopted in 1988, namely that the clauses of the contract at that time led to the setting of a fair sale price for the shares.
Derfor, kære hr. Tomlinson, kan det måske være nyttigt, især for Dem. om jeg læste Deres mundtlige forespørgsel op igen, fordi jeg vil besvare det spørgsmål.
As the subsequent sale of Rover to BMW has revealed no fresh facts about the conditions of sale in 1988. the Commission sees no cause to re-examine that decision.
Deres forespørgsel lød: »På grundlag af salget af Rover til BMW for nylig for 800 millioner britiske pund bedes Kommissionen foretage en fornyet undersøgelse af omfanget af eventuelle skjulte tilskud til British Aerospace i forbindelse med dens overtagelse af Rover fra den britiske regering i 1988 i form af en undervurdering af virksomheden.« Det var det første spørgsmål.
However, the Commission has not yet concluded its examination of the conditions imposed in the 1988 decision.
Tomlinson (PSE). - (EN) Fru formand, et væsentligt aspekt af bekymringen over BMW's overtagelse af Rover var, hvorledes afgørelsen blev truffet.
The takeover of the Rover Group by BMW AG represents a merger of Community-wide significance, whose effects on competition must be assessed according to the provisions of Council Regulation No 4064/89 of 21 December 1989 on the control of concentrations between undertakings.
I Tyskland blev BMW's tilsynsråd orienteret om forslag, der blev diskuteret og godkendt.
BMW has already told the Commission that it will make a formal report to the Commission in the next few days on the acquisition of the Rover Group.
Det betød, at arbejdstagerne og deres fagforeninger blev inddraget, før der blev truffet beslutninger.
The Commission will then check within one month whether the merger gives rise to serious concern on grounds of competition.
I Det Forenede Kongerige hørte arbejdstagerne i Birmingham og i Oxford og hos underleverandørerne om det ad en temmelig usædvanlig kanal, nemlig Tony Butler-show'et i BBC Radio West Midlands.
Finally, we ought to look at this not just as an issue in itself but as part of a pattern and ask ourselves why that pattern has been established.
Det byggede på nyheder, der hverken stammede fra BMW eller fra deres arbejdsgiver og heller ikke fra deres fagforening, som på det tidspunkt endnu ikke var informeret, men derimod fra Honda Motor Company - et selskab, der antoges at have været Rover's partner i de foregående femten år.
If we look at the pattern of acquisitions of United Kingdom companies by companies based in other Member States of the European Union, about half of all these cross-border acquisitions in the European Union have taken place since 1988.
Andet spørgsmål: »Kommissionen bedes oplyse, om salget af Rover til BMW på nogen måde er i strid med EU's konkurrencebestemmelser?«
Not for any persuasive reasons of industrial logic in all cases but more for reasons related to the logical consequences of the illogical opt-out of the United Kingdom from the Social Chapter that was agreed by 11 Member States in the Maastricht Treaty.
Tredje spørgsmål: »Vi denne sammenlægning efter Kommissionens opfattelse styrke grundlaget for den europæiske bilindustri?
That opt-out is an opt-out for which the British Government and the Conservative Party as represented by Mr Simpson will be punished by the British people in the European elections in June this year.
Hvad kan der gøres for at sikre, at der i forbindelse med eventuelle fremtidige sammenlægninger i fuld udstrækning tages hensyn til konsekvenser ne for EU's industripolitik?«
It is for those reasons that we ask the questions of Commissioner Bangemann and we look forward to hearing a reasoned statement from him, not, we hope, an apology for the British Government.
Det er tydeligt, at De fuldstændig har glemt Deres spørgsmål - det er derfor, jeg nu læste dem op igen.
It has regard in general to that basic principle in its analysis and takes action only where concentrations do permanent damage to competition.
Også dem vil jeg læse op, fordi jeg ikke er direkte ansvarlig for konkurrencepolitikken.
1 have to say that it is very disappointing that someone who normally gives this House a very full and thorough analysis and gets involved in our debates, as he did earlier, should find it necessary to read out such a carefully prepared statement.
Jeg beklager, at hr. Van Miert har måttet melde forfald, men eftersom det er hans svar, vil jeg læse det op, ord for ord.
It is very sad that he should have done that.
Som jeg sagde, havde Honda samarbejdet med Rover i 15 år.
Bangemann, Vice-President of the Commission. - Madam President, it is very dangerous for me to meddle in British affairs.
Honda, der havde hjulpet Rover fra at være et fallitbo til at blive en europæisk succes-historie, lå i forhandlinger for at forøge sin andel i Rover, men fik tilsyneladende ikke noget svar på sine tilbud.
Your question was: 'In the light of the recent sale of Rover to BMW for £800 million, will the Commission re-examine the extent of any hidden subsidy that may have been given to British Aerospace, through the undervaluation of the company, when it purchased Rover from the British Government in 1988?'
Derfor: hvad skete der reelt?
That was the first question.
Hvad der reelt skete, var dette, at British Aerospace solgte sin aktiepost på 80% og dét af grunde, der ikke havde noget med Rover eller produktionens behov at gøre og heller ikke havde noget med industriel strategi at gøre, men udelukkende var bestemt af ønsket om at få kontanter i selskabets statusopgørelse for sig selv.
Second question: 'Will the Commission indicate whether the sale of Rover to BMW represents any breach of EU competition policy?'
Parlamentets medlemmer vil erindre, at British Aerospace, da selskabet overtog Rover, overtrådte konkurrencereglerne, krænkede Kommissionen i anledning af »smørelse«, udsatte sig for kritik fra Det Forenede Kongeriges Rigsrevision, fordi det købte aktiver til underpris, og nu har det opnået en ekstrafortjeneste.
Third question: 'Does the Commission believe that this merger will strengthen the industrial base of the European car industry?
Den ekstrafortjeneste bør ikke sløres af noget af det sludder, der er blevet sagt om udbyttet af investeringer i Det Forenede Kongerige.
What measures could be taken to ensure that in future proposed mergers take full account of EU industrial policy implications?'
Kommissionen har allerede undersøgt disse salgsbetingelser inden for rammerne af sin beslut ning af 1990.
For example, I should like to ask him honestly, as someone who genuinely plays a part in this Parliament, whether he feels that in the spirit of the European Union it was appropriate for workers in Rover in the United Kingdom to find out about the sale of their company via the local press?
1 denne beslutning forlangte den første gang, at British Aerospace skulle tilbagebetale de såkaldte sweeteners, som den britiske regering uretmæssigt ydede ud over de i beslutningen af 1988 fastlagte betingelser.
Is it in the spirit of industrial policy and the conduct of enterprise within the European Union for workers in an industry, which had become successful, to find out in this way?
Men det er et velkendt forhold.
I think you owe us at least your opinion about that point.
De 800 millioner britiske pund, som BMW kontant betalte til British Aerospace, er ikke blevet investeret i bilindustrien i Det Forenede Kongerige eller i Den Europæiske Union.
Evidently you have totally forgotten your questions, and that is why I read them again now.
Kommissionen har yderligere fremført, at de oplysninger, som de britiske myndigheder med overlæg tilbage holdt i 1988. intet ændrede ved den i 1988 trufne beslutning, nemlig at kontraktsbetingelserne dengang førte til fastlæggelse af en fair salgspris for andelene.
Is it actually going to help the promotion of inward investment? You visited the Nissan plant in my constituency and, as you know, I am a strong supporter of inward investment into the European Union from third countries.
Kommissionen har imidlertid endnu ikke afsluttet revisionen af de i henhold til beslutningen af 1988 pålagte betingelser.
In addition it is important for consumer confidence that the Commission should ensure fair competition and also equal opportunities.
måde, vi nu gør det? Dette er den 22. beretning om konkurrencepolitikken.
I think it is going to substantially undermine investment in the future.
Og er det ikke rigtigt, at det - på grund af Den Europæiske Unions udvikling - ikke længere er hensigtsmæssigt, at vi behandler den årlige beretning om konkurrencepolitikken eller nogen anden årlig økonomisk beretning som isoleret fænomen?
The rapporteur mentions in particular the following points which might be important: first, state aid. I am surprised that three quarters of the total state aid is awarded by the four biggest countries and that that state aid is also the highest per capita.
Er det ikke på tide, at vi forsøger at finde en mekanisme i Den Europæiske Union, der kan muliggøre en omfattende analyse af den økonomiske udvikling, som Europa-Parlamentet og Kommissionen skal kunne drøfte i frem tiden?
When I look at the former East German Lander, can we have a guarantee that the subsidy given there is also spent in and for those Lander and also that the development of capacity is in keeping with the aid granted?
BMW har allerede informeret Kommissionen om, at den formelt vil anmelde erhvervelsen af Rover-koncernen én af de nær meste dage til Kommissionen.
But I should like to ask the Vice-President whether she feels that it is appropriate for the Commission and the Parliament to consider competition in the way in which we are doing it now?
Kommissionen vil der næst inden en måned undersøge, om sammenslutningen giver anledning til alvorlige konkurrencemæssige betænkeligheder. keligheder.
And is it not the case that, because of the evolution of the European Union, it is no longer appropriate for us to consider the annual competition report or any annual economic report in isolation?
Kommissionen og Rådet går i fællesskab ud fra, at grænseoverskridende sammenslutninger i det indre marked i Fællesskabet principielt er egnet til at bevirke en forbedring af konkurrenceevnen og dermed en styrkelse af vækstbetingelserne i Fællesskabet.
Should your excellent initiatives on industry policy be considered separately, the convergence plans for the economies of the European Union considered separately?
Den tager generelt i sin analyse hensyn til dette grundprincip og griber ude lukkende ind dér. hvor sammenslutninger fører til en varig skade for konkurrencen..
Is it not time for us to try and find a mechanism within the European Union for a comprehensive economic development analysis which this Parliament and the European Commission can discuss in the future?
Mel Read nævner i sin betænkning det forhold, at vi skal betragte regional, social, miljø- samt industri- og konkurrencepolitik som en helhed.
Mel Read mentions in her report the fact that we need to look collectively at regional policy, social policy, environmental policy, industrial policy and competition policy.
Jeg vil gerne henstille til Dem i dag at bruge Deres intuitive tænkning og den meget fantasirige måde, som De behandler disse problemer på, til at overveje måder, hvorpå Kommissionen i sine sidste få måneder kunne undersøge metoder til at udvikle en mere bred. en mere horisontal indfaldsvinkel til disse problemer omkring den økonomiske udvikling.
I should like to appeal to you today to use your lateral thinking and the very imaginative way in which you deal with these issues to consider ways in which the Commission, in its last few months, could look at ways of developing a broader, more horizontal approach to these economic development issues.
Donnelly (PSE). - (EN) Fru formand, jeg kender Martin Bangemann udmærket.
First of all in this sector there is in my view too much aid which in fact is protection.
Til slut vil jeg gerne gentage min tak til Mel Read for hendes betænkning.
In conclusion, I should like to repeat my thanks to Mel Read for her report.
Jeg håber blot, at vi, når den nye Kommission tiltræder sit embede, kan finde en bedre metode og en bedre sammenhæng til vor drøftelse af disse afgørende problemer.
I only hope that when the new Commission takes office we can find a better way and a better context for discussing these crucial issues.
Mange virksomheder og mange borgere, der er ansat i industrier overalt i Europa, har brug for at føle, at vi behandler disse problemer ud fra en helhedsbetragtning i stedet for på den isolerede måde, vi nu har gjort det på i 22 år.
Many enterprises and many citizens who are employed in industries across Europe need to feel that we are dealing with these things in an interrelated way, instead of the isolated way which we have been doing now for 22 years.
Det er på tide, vi ændrer den måde, vi behandler disse sager på.
It is time to change the way in which we deal with these matters.
Jeg vil gerne gå ham på klingen med hensyn til et par af de problemer, han har rejst.
One last remark about the Rover take-over.
F.eks. vil jeg gerne ærligt spørge ham - som en, der virkelig spiller en rolle i Europa-Parlamentet - om han mener, at det i Den Europæiske Unions ånd var ret og rimeligt, at de ansatte hos Rover i Det Forenede Kongerige skulle opdage, at deres virksomhed var solgt, via den lokale presse?
My group has the impression that here it might be a merger which is in the interests of the European motor-vehicle industry, but nevertheless we find the questions relevant.
Er det i EU's industripolitiske og ledelsesmæssige ånd, at de ansatte i en industri, der havde fået succes, skal informeres på den måde?
And we are also anxious to have a rather more precise answer to these questions, possibly at a later stage.
Anthony Simpson (PPE). - (EN) Fru formand, det er oplagt, at hr. Tomlinson og hr. Donnelly stiller spørgsmål til kommissær Bangemann om et emne, der ikke er sat på dagsordenen.
Simpson, Anthony (PPE). - Madam President, it is simply that Mr Tomlinson and Mr Donnelly are asking Commissioner Bangemann about a question which is not down on the agenda.
Der er tre spørgsmål, som kommissæren var nødt til at læse op for at meddele Parlamentet, hvad de var, inden han besvarede dem.
There are three questions that the Commissioner had to read out to tell the House what they were and then answer.
Vi anmodes om høring af arbejdstagerne i Det Forenede Kongerige.
We are being asked about worker consultation in the United Kingdom.
Det optræder ikke her!
That does not feature here!
Han burde fyre den. der gjorde det, uanset hvem det var, fordi den pågældende ikke stillede det rette spørgsmål, der skulle ledsage hr. Tomlinsons tale.
He ought to sack whoever did, because he did not ask the right question to go with Mr Tomlinson's speech.
Beumer (PPE). - (NL) Fru formand, det forbavser mig, at konkurrencebetænkningen ikke er med i resuméet over de vigtigste emner, der er til behandling i denne uge.
Beumer (PPE). - (NL) Madam President, I am surprised that the competition report does not appear in the summary of the most important subjects dealt with this week.
Men jeg vil gerne spørge næstformanden, om hun mener, at det er hensigtsmæssigt, at Kommissionen og Parlamentet behandler konkurrencepolitikken på den
In that last respect I am pleased to record that both the Commission and the rapporteur clearly avoid falling into
bliver ydet af de fire største lande, og at denne statsstøtte også er den største pr. indbygger.
We must not in any way fail to encourage the studies in progress, but with results which, as they become known, will help to form the foundations for the proposals which the new white paper should bring.
For det andet kunne jeg godt tænke mig at sige noget om skibsbyggeriet og om vej- og lufttransporten.
the temptation of protectionism, which one might well fear, as experience shows, in a difficult period such as the present.
For det første skibsbyggeriet. Påser Kommissionen, at støtten i EF aldrig ligger højere end det tilladte loft?
In Chapter IV of the Commission report on Community competition policy in the world, that policy is seen as a tool for the liberalization of trade with third countries - a concern which has since been reflected in respect of various geographical areas.
Det hersker der nemlig tvivl om i skibsfartskredse.
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Hvis jeg lige ser på de tidlige østtyske delstater: kan vi få en garanti for, at den støtte, som disse modtager, også bliver brugt i og for disse delstater, samt at kapacitetsnedtrapningen er i overensstemmelse med den tildelte støtte?
Tongue (PSE). - Mr President, first of all, I wish to congratulate Mel Read on her excellent report which quite rightly seeks to broaden the scope of competition policy in the European Union.
Et andet punkt, der fortjener påskønnelse, er. at såvel Kommissionen som det parlamentariske udvalgs ordfører klart understreger nødvendigheden af. at uddybningen af det indre marked sker sideløbende med udviklingen af regionalpolitikken.
From another point of view which certainly also deserves our greatest acclaim, both the Commission and Parliament's rapporteur most clearly stress that the need to intensify the internal market goes hand in hand with regional policy.
Kommissionen anfører således (nr. 80). at »nødvendigheden af at fremme den økonomiske og sociale samhørighed som en effekt af det indre marked, ikke behøver at blive påvist«, og fru Mel Read på sin side understreger i betænkningen nødvendigheden af at Fællesskabets konkurrencepolitik tager »endnu bedre højde for dette mål i fremtiden«.
The Commission does not hesitate to state (paragraph 80) that economic and social cohesion, as an inevitable corollary of the single market, has no need of proof, and Mrs Read in her turn says in her report that it will be necessary to take this objective 'even more into account in the future'.