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Fører man en debat i god tid, bliver man indimellem nødt til at affinde sig med, at nogen skildrer tingenes udvikling for en. Jeg kan ikke beskrive den italienske plan for Dem, da vi endnu ikke har den.
I would ask the Commission to take pains to ensure that any derogations it gives are very clear and very exactly linked to genuine reductions in productive capacity, that will not be brought into use later.
BANGEMANN, næstformand i Kommissionen. - (DE) Hr. formand, da situationen virkelig er meget alvorlig, vil jeg undlade at kommentere de sidste ord.
I hope it will examine each case individually and make sure that these are genuine and real cuts and reductions in capacity.
Når Parlamentet selv skærer ned på de midler, vi har foreslået til en industripolitik, burde De måske stile den tale, De netop har holdt, til Parlamentet, så det kan blive anderledes.
I hope in particular it will ensure in circumstances where capacity is being cut, perhaps to be replaced by the new minimills, that this is done on an entirely commercial basis and without the use of state aid in any way.
Af den spanske plan, hr. Mendibe, tegner sig konturerne.
It would be silly to pay twice in the same way.
Vi accepterede ikke den oprindelige plan; den skal forbedres.
I thank the Commissioner for listening.
Vi har utvetydigt sagt til den tyske regering, at oprettelsen af ny kapacitet med offentlige midler ikke kan accepteres af os.
I hope the Commission will learn from the Davignon Plan and produce a plan that is not just politically acceptable but also economically logical.
Vi er imidlertid også bundet af de juridiske forudsætninger, det siger jeg henvendt til hr. Herman.
This criticism is directed first and foremost at the Member States concerned: Germany, Italy and Spain.
Vi har natur ligvis et problem, hvad angår lønningerne, men også det kan man - i hvert fald over for Japan og USA - få en fornuftig løsning på.
I wish to confine myself, at this stage in the debate, to putting four questions to the Commissioner.
Problemet skyldes delvis lønningerne, men det væsentlige problem er overkapacitet.
First, Commissioner, you said a great deal, in regard to the external sector, about the measures to limit production taken with the countries of Central and Eastern Europe, but you did not say a word about the EFTA countries!
Med de foranstaltninger, der er fastsat i EKSF-Traktaten, kan vi imidlertid ikke fjerne overkapaciteten.
You know very well that at present those countries are the principal source of the import imbalance at European level.
Derfor har vi også udarbejdet en anden problemløsning. Da vi ingen politiske instrumenter har dertil - jeg kan ikke tvinge nogen til at lukke, det bliver jeg nødt til at fortælle hr. Peter - er vi henvist til at gøre det sammen med industrien.
I know that there is a limit to what we can do, but is there no way of negotiating, if only on a voluntary basis, a number of measures to make it possible for our undertakings on the Community market to avoid the toughest element of this competition?
Desværre har kodeksen ikke defineret denne reduktion af kapaciteten præcist.
The path chosen by the Commission remains fraught with danger.
I dag påser vi, at det ikke sker, men at der rent faktisk fjernes kapacitet, som indtil det øjeblik stadig forefandtes på markedet. Heller ikke juridisk er det helt let, fordi kodeksen i den henseende ikke er klar nok. Men vi har dette retsgrundlag.
It is highly questionable whether the idea of voluntary reduction in capacity with the competitors helping to defray the costs of the reduction will actually lead to the desired result.
Hvad angår bilindustrien og andre industrier har vi det ikke.
(The President interrupted the speaker)
Opførelsen af en bilfabrik i Setúbal eren regionalpolitisk handling. Der er dér blevet udbetalt tilskud inden for rammerne af Det Europæiske Fællesskabs regionalpolitik, ganske vist er der også udbetalt tilskud fra den portugisiske regering.
Secondly, you yourself recognized that it is difficult to obtain voluntary reductions in capacity so long as the Commission has failed to meet its responsibilities regard ing the banning of state aid.
Det kan man på baggrund af bilindustriens afsætningsproblemer beklage, men vi har gjort det som en regionalpolitisk
Can you tell us when, in your view, the Commission will be able to take a final decision
BANGEMANN handling og ikke for at opbygge ny kapacitet i bilindustrien.
DEPREZ on the three main cases at issue, namely those of Spain, Italy and Ekostahl?
Vi forhandler også med Den Europæiske Investeringsbank, der for fremtiden skal overtage denne lånevirksomhed. Samtalerne er endnu ikke tilendebragt, men det bliver de nok.
If Parliament itself is to cut back the appropriations we have proposed for industrial policy, then per haps you ought to direct the words you spoke just now to Parliament, in order to change matters.
Da problemet overskydende kapacitet også eksisterer i andre industrier, overvejer vi ganske vist nu, om vi ikke i vore konkurrencebestemmelser skal fastsætte muligheder, som de nu kan benyttes til stålindustrien i henhold til artikel 53 a), nemlig at finansiere fjernelse af kapacitet ved en fælles indsats.
Thirdly, the machinery for financing capacity reduction requires you to encourage agreements among producers to finance the reduction in capacity to which some of them are going to agree.
Det er ikke nogen overtrædelse af konkurrencebestemmelserne, men en fornuftig frem gangsmåde, fordi der først derigennem igen opstår en sund konkurrence.
Are you not worried that you are running the risk of cartelization of the sector and are you sure that you will be able to control the exact content of all the agreements that will be entered into in that connection?
Hr. Metten har endnu en gang spurgt mig om tidsplanen.
Fourthly, I am well aware that you are able to intervene only in the case of new financial investment through public lending.
Vi vil nok ikke kunne overholde slutningen af september, da vi først på samlingen den 21. september vil få grønt lys af Rådet til finansieringen, sandsynligvis også principielt til den spanske plan. Vi vil kunne drøfte italienernes og tyskernes problemer.
However, we are currently witnessing the installation of new production units, particularly in Spain and Germany.
På andre områder, f.eks. inden for den jernfri metalindustri og raffinaderikapaciteten, har vi nøjagtig samme problem.
The problem is quite straightforward. We have no technological problem in the steel industry.
Det er fornuftig industripolitik, der er overhovedet intet at indvende derimod.
The European steel industry can compete at the same technological level with industry anywhere in the world.
Kun én ting kan vi ikke gøre: Vi kan ikke garantere arbejdspladser, de opstår ene og alene af en økonomisk rentabel virksom hed.
We do, of course, have a problem with wage costs, but even that can be brought down to acceptable levels, at any rate as far as Japan and the United States are concerned.
Vi kan skabe betingelserne derfor ved at gribe aktivt ind.
The same is not true of Eastern Europe.
Det er jeg også altid gået ind for over for dem, der tror, at man ikke skal lave industripolitik i en markeds økonomi.
That is why we have concluded with the East European countries agreements which in my estimation in fact provide a good interim solution.
Rådet træder under alle omstændigheder sammen endnu en gang i år, så at vi skal være færdige inden årets udgang.
The reason why we cannot have such agree ments with the EFTA countries is very simple: We have a free trade area with them.
Først da kan de konkretisere deres egne beslutninger.
We cannot legally make such agreements with them.
Der er forsåvidt tale om et vist tidspres.
That is why we have no negotiations with these countries.
Jeg er overbevist om, at der findes markedsøkonomisk industripolitik med aktiv deltagelse fra staten - i dette tilfælde Det Europæiske Fællesskab.
SAINJON (PSE). - (FR) Mr President, in turmoil yet again, the iron and steel industry continues to pose an industrial, commercial and social problem for the Com munity and its Member States.
Men Fællesskabet kan ikke give nogen garanti for rentable arbejdspladser, og disse illusioners sammenbrud har vi set i østlandene.
At least 60,000 jobs are going to be lost in the coming months.
Vil vi undgå det, skal vi gøre det hele sammen med den private industri, og jeg anmoder om, at det ikke miskrediteres.
That is by no means negligible, and my first thoughts go to the workers in the iron and steel industry who are going to lose their jobs.
Det er fornuftig, moderne og åben industripolitik.
Regions of Germany, Italy and Spain are again going to face devastation.
Den tese, der er blevet fremsat her, at produkternes kvalitet forringes ved en privatisering sammenlignet med statslige virksomheder, vil jeg gerne have illustreret med et eksempel fra det praktiske liv. Som regel er det omvendte tilfældet.
The problem is caused partially by labour costs, but it is essentially a problem of overcapacity.
Naturligvis kan også stålindustrien føres som en stat svirksomhed.
We have therefore worked out another solution.
Men også i Baskerlandet, hos EKO-stål, i Taranto og på Sardinien bliver man nødt til at indse, at man med offentlige midler ikke kun kunstigt gør sine egne produkter billigere, men navnlig påfører andre stålvirksomheder og deres arbejdstagere illoyal konkurrence. rence.
Since we have no appropriate instruments - I have to tell Mr Peter that I cannot oblige anyone to shut down surplus capacity - we have to work something out with the industry.
Hr. Samland, De kommer som jeg fra Forbundsrepublikken, hvor denne moderne industripolitik er blevet anvendt, men ganske vist ikke altid fungerede.
The Community intends making available millions of ECU to cover certain restructuring and social costs.
På de områder, hvor den ikke blev anvendt, f.eks. kul og stål, er disse problemer dukket op.
As matters stand, I consider these measures necessary but I doubt whether they will make it possible to set the European iron and steel industry on the way to recovery.
De er da ikke opstået, fordi Kommissionen skulle have svigtet!
The fact is that there has been no shortage of programmes in Europe.
Vi har da overskydende kapacitet, fordi industrien selv i tider, hvor det gik dårligt, slæbte denne kapacitet med støtte fra statslige subventioner for så, når det igen gik bedre, at tjene penge.
From the time of the Davignon plan to the present, the argument has always been that restructuring is needed if there are to be good times ahead.
Det går ikke mere i dag, navnlig ikke i en verdensøkonomi.
Beware -the collective memory does not forget just like that.
Dér har De brug for Fællesskabets aktive medvirken.
It is therefore in everyone's interest to reduce capacity, thus diminishing the pressure on the market.
Hvis vi virkelig tager Europa alvorligt, kan jo ingen i Baskerlandet, hos EKO-stål, i Eisenhüttenstadt eller i Italien stille sig op og sige: Vi er noget særligt.
We talk about a revival while at the same time reducing production capacity; we jeopardize regional and local economies.
At man af og til som regionalt parlamentsmedlem har mere forståelse for egne interesser end for de andres, er jo naturligt.
Mr President, I have to ask: precisely what are we seeking to achieve if the solution to the economic crisis has always to take the form of business closures and massive job losses?
Men hvis vi vil lave en europæisk stålpolitik, så går det ikke an, at alle kun ser deres egne særinteresser, for så er vi alle fortabt.
I am not, of course, trying to deny that our industries and technologies have to undergo a process of change, but there is a striking absence of strategic industrial and economic programmes to accompany industrial change, with real plans to develop activities in various fields to generate wealth and employment.
Vi er rede dertil, men De kan ikke gøre det alene.
The measures we have taken have in fact led to a certain rise in prices.
Vil De selv med nok så mange penge gøre det alene, vil De lide skibbrud, også i regionalpolitikken.
A key factor here is the settling of the cases in which state aid was paid.
Vi er henvist til et åbent partnerskab og til den private industris medvirken, for det er de mennesker, som i sidste instans bagefter skal klare sig i konkurrencen.
I too would have preferred it if the Italian Government had discussed matters with us more openly and constructively.
Vi kan ikke nøjes med at se til.
That was not, however, possible.
Om en klarer sig i konkurrencen, afgøres ikke politisk, men afhænger af de involverede menneskers dygtighed.
You heard two Members speak, Mr Mitolo for Italy and Mr Landa Mendibe for the Basque country.
Netop dét er vor udgangssituation, og derfor anmoder vi om forståelse for denne position.
The both speak for a totally different standpoint, I would say, a non-European standpoint.
Jeg kan ikke i dag give Dem meldinger om succes, men jeg kan sige til Dem, at vi har gjort fremskridt.
They say: We find ourselves in a special situation, in our region the only solution is public subsidy.
Vi er på rette vej, og holder partnerskabet, kommer der en beretning om et godt resultat inden årets udgang.
Some of the Germans say the same thing: The situation in Eisenhüttenstadt is quite different than in other regions and that is why we have to build up new capacity with the help of public monies.
De, der som hr. Bowe siger: Vi har endnu ikke nået det hele, har nok ret.
How much does the restructuring and unemployment cost the citizens of the Community?
Men vi har gjort meget betydelige fremskridt og står umiddelbart over for en fornuftig afslutning på tingene, selv om tallene 30 mio t råstål og 25 mio valsestål måske ikke kan overholdes.
Can we not apply an active economic and social policy to stimulate develop ment and employment with the money intended to reduce production capacity and destroy the machinery of pro duction and human work?
Vi går nu over til afstemningen om anmodning om afstemning snarest muligt om de syv beslutningsforslag.
I find it reasonable that the debate is to take place in the Council of Ministers for Industry before the end of September because it means that you will be informed in good time.
(Afstemning snarest muligt vedtoges)
Conversely, however, I
Afstemningen om selve beslutningsforslagene finder sted torsdag kl. 18.30.
But the political will is also needed, if economic recovery in Europe is to have a rapid effect on all of our industries and on employment.
Den seneste udvikling i det tidligere Jugoslavien
To that extent there is some urgency about the matter.
På dette punkt er der således en uforbeholden støtte til forhandlerne.
We have an outline plan for Spain, Mr Mendibe.
Enig heden om Genève-forhandlingerne er utvivlsomt blevet styrket i de seneste dage.
We did not accept the original plan and improvements still have to be made to it.
Fællesskabet og medlemsstater ne har først og fremmest besluttet at vende hver sten for at få serbere, kroater og muslimer tilbage til forhandlingsbordet.
We have made it quite plain to the German Government that we shall not accept the creation of new capacity with public aid.
Med henblik herpå er der allerede ved at blive taget skridt over for alle involverede parter.
We have, therefore, shown a sufficiently firm approach.
Det er faktisk yderst påkrævet, at en forhandlingsløsning ser dagens lys, uden en sådan vil krigen uvægerligt fortsætte, og vi vil opleve en ny menneskelig tragedie.
I should be interested to hear of practical examples to illustrate the argument that I have heard here, according to which product quality falls below that of state under takings following privatization.
Det er så sandelig klart, at De Tolvs argumenter varierer, afhængigt af modspillerne.
The steel industry can also be run as a state enterprise.
Det drejer sig om at opretholde presset på serberne og kroaterne, således at man kan få dem til at lægge den nødvendige solidaritet for dagen og fremlægge garantier for at sikre muslimerne.
It must, however, be understood in the Basque country, at EKO-Stahl, in Taranto and in Sardinia that by the input of public funds you are not only making your own products artificially cheaper, but above all you are operating unfair competition against other steel companies and their workers.
Allerede de kommende uger vil civilbefolkningen møde de første tegn på vinteren.
I have to say to Mr Herman that my hands are tied by legal constraints.
Ydermere er det EF og dets medlemsstater der yder cirka 70% af den samlede humanitære hjælp til det tidligere Jugoslavien.
In contrast to other industries, we have a steel aid code, under the terms of which no Member State may grant any aid, but if it wants to do so, then it must compensate by reducing capacity.
En passant vil jeg henvise til, at FN's Sikkerhedsråds sanktionspolitik over for Serbien og Montenegro uagtet de velkendte og beklagelsesværdige lakuner i sidste instans alligevel har båret frugt, og at den har ansporet Milosevich til større tilbageholdenhed.
If we are to take Europe at all seriously, then no one in the Basque country, at EKO-Stahl in Eisenhüttenstadt or in Italy can say: We are something special.
Vi bør allerede nu undersøge de konkrete modaliteter i forbindelse med gennemførelsen af Genève-aftalerne og sågar den fremtidige genopbygning.
Even if the others go bankrupt and their workers lose their jobs, our jobs must be protected!
Det er i dette perspektiv, at De Tolv er parate til at deltage i iværksættelsen af Genève-planen, når den først er blevet underskrevet af alle tre parter.
Everyone understands that a Member representing a particular region will have great er understanding for his own constituents' problems than for those of others.
Ministrene har i Aldenbiesen på ny bekræftet vigtigheden af et troværdigt bidrag til gennemførelsen af aftalens militære foranstaltninger.
Undoubtedly, as Mr Bowe pointed out, we have not yet achieved everything. We have nevertheless made considerable progress and can look forward to a sensible solution in the very near future.
Med dette for øje gav de udtryk for deres tilfredshed over, at USA er parat til at indsætte cirka femogtyvetusinde soldater.
It may be that we shall not be able to keep to the figures of 30 million tonnes of crude steel and 25 million tonnes of rolled steel.
Man må også tænke på at organisere en effektiv kommandokæde inden for rammerne af et præcist mandat, hvilket sikrer de nødvendige garantier på det operationelle område.
However, that was also the very best result that might have been obtained in all three categories.
EF har lige netop vedtaget at frigive et nyt bidrag på 89 millioner ECU.
Unfortunately, the code has not given a precise definition of this reduction in capacity.
De to formænd for Geneve-konventionens styringsudvalg, Lord Owen og hr. Stoltenberg, har uopholdeligt fortsat deres forhandlingsindsats.
This has often led - and here I agree with Mrs Lulling - to reductions in fanciful capacities, which were in any case no longer of any real use.
Efter at de bosniske serbere nægtede at acceptere en løsning på basis af Vance-Owen-planen, har serberne og kroaterne indbyrdes aftalt at fremlægge en ny plan.
Today, we watch out that this does not happen and that the capacities reduced are genuine capacities that had been present on the market up to the point in question.
Man prøver på at forene de forskellige holdninger på grundlag af denne nye plan.
That is actually not quite as simple as that, also from the legal standpoint, because the code is not clear enough in this respect.
De to formænd spiller simpelthen en rolle som mæglere mellem parterne.
The erection of the car factory in Setúbal is a regional policy act.
De sætter ind på at opnå det bedst mulige kompromis.
Subsidies were paid there in the context of the Community's regional policy, and also aid from the Portuguese Government.
Efter Fællesskabets opfattelse skal dette kompromis først og fremmest være acceptabelt for de tre parter, og det skal sikre, at det muslimske samfund i Bosnien kan overleve.
In view of the motor industry's marketing problems one may deplore this step, but it was done as an act of regional policy and not with the intention of increasing the capacity of the motor industry.
I den forbindelse er det særlig vigtigt med adgang til havet og overholdelsen af de i London fastlagte principper, navn lig i forbindelse med Bosniens territoriale ukrænkelighed, overholdelsen af menneskerettigheder og beskyttelsen af mindretal.
Now if all our activities succeed in bringing improve ments to the position of the steel industry and if a more buoyant economic development in the course of the year ahead makes it possible for steel companies again to earn enough to cover their costs, then we shall to some extent have mastered the crisis without the essentials of the European steel industry going under and without resort ing to an instrument that is not available to us, namely simply to say: We have to shut down here and there.
I øjeblikket er forhandlingerne i Genève udsat.
The financing is difficult. We have to enter it in the ECSC budget.
De serbiske og kroatiske parter mener ikke at kunne give muslimerne nye indrømmelser.
However, as long as we operate with loans taken up by ourselves, it should be feasible.
(FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, Fællesskabet og dettes medlemsstater har bekræftet hensigten om i overens stemmelse med Genève-aftalerne at sende en administrator til Mostar. Kroaterne ønsker nemlig ikke, at denne administrator som for Sarajevos vedkommende skal sortere under De Forenede Nationer.
Since the problem of surplus capacity exists also in other industries, we are at the moment considering whether not to make provision in our competition rules such as can be used at present for the steel industry pursuant to Article 53(a), namely to finance the shutdown of capacities in a common action.
Fællesskabet og dettes medlemsstater støtter ligeledes alle bestræbelser, der har til formål at sikre Bosniens muhamedanske del adgang til havet.
We shall be able to look at the problems of the Italians and the Germans. I hope that the Council will support our position, namely that no new capacities are to be created with public money.
En tysk-fransk ekspertgruppe har netop fået tilladelse til at begive sig til den kroatiske kyst for at undersøge mulighederne for oprettelse af en handelshavn.
We have agreed with the Presidency to call a special Council, if we have made sufficient progress, and I hope that we shall be able to see things more clearly in the course of October.
Lord Owen var til stede ved det sidste uformelle udenrigsminsterrådsmøde i Aldenbiesen i Belgisk Limburg, hvor han aflagde redegørelse.
I have always defended this approach against those who believe that one should not make any industrial policy in a market economy.
Uanset om Genève-aftalen indgås eller ej, skal der løses store humanitære hjælpeopgaver.
Whatever happens, the Council will be meeting once this year, so that we have to be ready before the end of the year.
Det er ikke kun et spørgsmål om finansielle ressourcer, men også om at komme i forbindelse med befolkningsgrupperne.
As Mr Metten quite rightly pointed out, the private companies, all of whom are making losses, cannot be expected to wait indefinitely but have to know whether the state-owned or statesubsidized companies are also cutting back.
Hver eneste dag udsættes humanitære aktioner for utallige
Only then will they be able to take firm
CLAES chikaner fra lokale myndigheder, som tilsyneladende tilsidesætter oppefra kommende ordrer.
BANGEMANN between the various factions in Bosnia and Croatia.
Endnu værre er det, at Bosniens men også Kroatiens kroatiske myndigheder spiller en afgørende rolle for blokeringen af den humanitære hjælp til det centrale Bosnien, til trods for at lagrene på Dalmatinerkysten er fulde.
The EEC and its Member States are also providing some 70% of all humanitarian aid in former Yugoslavia.
Fællesskabets gentagne henvendelser til præsident Tudjman for at opnå konkrete garantier i så henseende er hidtil forblevet virkningsløse.
After all, the reason why we have surplus capacities is that the industry continued to carry them through the bad times, supported by state subsidies, in the hope of earning money again once things got better.