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Det er ikke overraskende, da der i forbindelse med mange programmer i Fællesskabet hersker det samme indtryk. Vi kan imidlertid ikke slå os til tåls med det.
At that date, Mr Chanterie could still say that he had not been able to get hold of any copy of any evaluation report for 1991 on how PHARE was working during its first years.
Og jeg beder Dem udstyre den tjenestegren i Deres institution, der skal afvikle det ærgerrige og udmærkede PHARE-program, på en sådan måde, at den kan tage denne opgave alvorligt og også udføre den.
Is it true, as Mr Chanterie says - and I believe it probably is true - that PHARE is doing environmental damage?
Til slut går jeg ud fra, at Kommissionen betragter Parlamentet som det, det egentlig bør være, nemlig lovgiver og højeste suveræn, og dét såvel her som i de østeuropæiske lande.
How far is PHARE actually going to be able to help these Eastern European countries to comply with our environ mental legislation within the Community?
Derfor forventer jeg, at Kommissionen - både for os i Europa-Parlamentet og for de involverede parlamenter i de østeuropæiske lande - vil gøre det lettere at få adgang til alle data og midler, end det tidligere har været tilfældet.
If it is not able to do anything very much, then it will be a very long time before they have the slightest prospect of joining us.
Således ville der kunne opnås en bedre kanalisering af privat kapital fra forskellige lande, måske uden at det er nødvendigt at tage stilling til det af fru Peijs rejste spørgsmål, om der bør tillades en større procentdel støtte til den offentlige sektor med den heraf følgende risiko for, at Banken fjerner sig for meget fra den fastsatte målsætning at støtte overgangen til markedsøkonomi og fremme private initiativer og foretagsomhed i landene i Central- og Østeuropa.
Added to this, Mr de Larosière, who enjoys our complete confidence, has got to grips with a number of administrative problems. He has carried out a major streamlining of the administration, he has wound up the cabinet established by the previous director, he has done away with the special political secretariat which had been built up, he has proposed that the merger between the two sec tions, i.e. the merchant and the developing banking sections, be approved, thus giving instead one homogenous banking function, split up into two sections on a country basis, one for countries mainly in the northern and central part of the area, and one for countries in the southern part.
Og jeg græder, fordi jeg ser, hvad der er blevet af dette PHARE-program.
I think there is reason to note all that with considerable satisfaction.
Caroline Jackson (PPE). - (EN) Fru formand, en af grundene til, at folk efter min mening bør interessere sig for de europæiske valg senere på året, er, at de med lemmer af Europa-Parlamentet, de vælger, kan holde -eller forsøge at holde - ledelsen under en vis form for opsyn og føre en vis form for kontrol.
The Commission should be thoroughly ashamed of the way in which the PHARE programme is operating. We look forward very much to the Commissioner's response, particularly in relation to Mr Chanterie's paragraph 22 and the evaluation report.
Hermed mener jeg ikke noget negativt.
Indeed it would be very nice if that report were present in the Chamber tonight.
Derer så afgjort et desperat behov for hjælp til forbedring af miljøet via investeringer fra Det Europæiske Fælles skab.
Christophersen, Vice-President of the Commission. -(DA) Madam President, I hope everyone will listen to my reply as carefully as I have listened to what they have had to say.
Jeg mener, at det er en fornærmelse mod mange af de lande, vi forsøger at hjælpe, når man siger, at det, de har behov for, er flere rådgivere og mere rådgivning.
That being so, I do not think there will be many points of uncertainty remaining when our debate is over.
I sin betænkning påpeger hr. Chanterie - ud over mange andre ting - i særdeleshed følgende: hvad PHARE-programmet betyder for øjeblikket, er ikke det, som vi engang tilstræbte med det, og jeg går ud fra, at Kommissionen, hvis den stiller kvalitetskrav til sit arbejde, heller ikke er tilfreds med det.
I must first thank Mrs Peijs for the report on the EBRD's work and thank Mr Chanterie for the report on how the PHARE programme has affected the environment in the four Visegrad countries.
I de forløbne år lå den gennemsnitlige støtte til miljøprojekter, derengang stod i centrum for PHARE-programmet, endnu på ca. 20%.
These two issues can be said to be interconnected, at any rate to the extent that both are important elements in the strategy which we in Western Europe have tried to formulate in relation to the countries in Eastern and Central Europe.
Jeg tvivler om, at der i Kommissionen virkelig er nogen, der ved, hvordan de andre 80% af midlerne er givet ud.
In both cases we are of course facing some initial difficulties.
Den pågældende tjenestegren kan ikke vide det.
We have gained in experience, and we have been able to learn from the mistakes made both here at home and in the recipient countries.
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In any case, I do not think we need be
Det, de har brug for, er penge til at standse forureningen, rense ud efter forureningen og bygge nye og renere fabrikker.
We have also given our representative in the Bank's leadership instructions to that effect.
Spørgsmålet er: Hvordan skal vi få at vide, hvad der foregår?
In future, the Bank will concentrate more on the private sector, that is the first priority.
Jeg tør vædde på, at kommissæren i sin redegørelse - hvis han hører efter - vil have et fornuftigt
Thirdly, the Bank will attach high priority to the develop ment of a modern financial sector in the countries concerned.
Caroline Jackson regler for, hvorledes man skulle udbyde ordrer på leve rancer afalle mulige ting.
Christophersen technical aid which is mainly financed through aid from us and from others, will be made more project-oriented.
Der blev sat meget klare regler for, hvilke repræsentationsudgifter direktionen havde adgang til at afholde, så det er der ingen grund til at bruge mere tid på. Det var nyttigt, at disse ting blev gjort, og det fungerer.
A further comment on Mrs Peijs' report on the cooperation with the Commission and the Community; we are happy with the way it is running.
Jeg vil imidlertid gerne bede ham om en kommentar til hr. Chanteries punkt 22. Denne betænk ning blev færdig den 30. november 1993.
Mrs Peijs asked about the conditions for obtaining aid from the nuclear safety fund.
Dengang kunne hr. Chanterie stadig sige, at han ikke havde haft mulighed for at få fat i et eksemplar af nogen evalueringsrapport for 1991 om, hvorledes PHARE fungerede i de første år. Er denne rapport stadig ikke tilgængelig for medlemmerne af Europa-Parlamentet?
In our view, aid should be given if it is a question of making a rapid improvement in the operational and technical safety in the most dangerous nuclear power stations in the area.
Hvis det er tilfældet, hvordan kan det så være?
That is the basic criterium.
Er det sandt, hvad hr. Chanterie siger - og jeg mener, at det sandsynligvis er sandt - at PHARE medfører skade på miljøet?
set up, so that all those interested can have access to information on environmental aspects of PHARE pro jects and to environmental assessments of how the PHARE projects were carried out.
I hvilket omfang vil PHARE rent faktisk kunne hjælpe de østeuropæiske lande til at opfylde vor miljølovgivning her i Fællesskabet?
Clearly, many of the projects which the PHARE programme as such finances do not have many, if any, environmental aspects.
Dernæst har hr. de Larosière, som nyder vores store tillid, taget fat på en række administrative problemer.
Clearly, where it is question of advising on factors which have no bearing upon physical factors, the environmental aspect rarely exists, but where there is an environmental angle, we are of course intent upon improving the monitoring of it.
Han har i allerhøjeste grad strømlinet administrationen, han har afviklet det kabinet, som den tidligere direktør havde etableret, han har afviklet det særlige politiske sekretariat, som var opbygget, han har foreslået godkendelse af sammenlægningen af de to sektioner, dvs. the merchant and the developping banking sections, og i stedet har man så én homogen bankmæssig funktion, som er delt op i to afdelinger på landebasis, én for lande fortrinsvis i den nordlige og centrale del af området, og én for lande i den sydlige del.
The operative service in the PHARE programme is therefore also looking at the procedure we already have in Directorate General VIII and which is used for the environmental assessment of projects conducted by this Directorate General, in connection with its administration of the Lomé Convention and of other sorts of Community-financed programmes in those areas where we have Agreements of Association, or other agreements with Third countries.
Alt det synes jeg der er grund til at tage til efterretning med stor tilfredshed.
The Directorate General has already in fact held an extensive seminar in December on this topic, in which both its geographic and its technical departments participated, in order to discuss how the environmental assessment of projects could be upgraded and improved.
Kommissionen bør skamme sig meget grundigt over den måde, hvorpå PHARE-programmet fungerer. Vi ser i høj grad frem til at høre kommissærens svar, specielt med hensyn til hr. Chanteries punkt 22 og evalueringsrapporten. Det ville sandelig være meget positivt, hvis denne rapport forelå her i Parlamentet i dag.
I will naturally give an account of the views Parliament has expressed when, on the Community's behalf in St Petersburg in April, I shall be speaking at the annual general meeting and making a statement as the Union's Bank Governor.
Derefter er der, som fru Peijs rigtigt har sagt, en diskussion i gang om EBRD's prioriteter. Den diskussion og de forslag, som ligger på bordet, og som nu synes at blive vedtaget, kan Kommissionen helt understøtte.
There is just one further point, Madam President, which I must mention here.
Det har vi også givet vores repræsentant i bankens ledelse instrukser om.
In Point 24 a criticism is made which we do not feel to be well-founded.
I fremtiden vil banken i højere grad koncentrere sig om den private sektor, det er den første prioritet.
It is a claim that the Commission has used ECU 50 million to finance the use of pesticides which are banned in the Community.
For det andet vil banken i højere grad gøre brug af lokale finansielle kanaler, lokale pengeinstitutter.
This is not correct, and we have already pointed this out, in July.
For det tredje vil banken give udvikling af en moderne finansiel sektor i de pågældende lande en høj prioritet.
We have not financed the use of substances which are illegal in the Community.
For det fjerde vil banken optræde mere risikobetonet, dels investere mere i erhvervelse af kapitalandele og dels give afkald på en privilegeret stilling som udlåner. Fordet femte vil banken i høj grad koncentrere sig om private former for infrastruktur, når det drejer sig om infrastrukturfinansiering.
The substances in question are all ones which are recognised in at least one of our Member States.
Og for det sjette vil man gøre den tekniske bistand, som i høj grad finansieres med bistand fra os og fra andre, mere projektorienteret.
Therefore in our view this criticism is unfounded.
Christophersen, næstformand i Kommissionen. - Fru formand Jeg håber, at alle vil lytte lige så opmærksomt til mit svar, som jeg har lyttet til deres indlæg.
Madam President, I should once again like to thank Mr Chanterie and the Committee for this report.
Jeg skal først takke fru Peijs for betænkningen om EBRD's arbejde og takke hr. Chanterie for betænk ningen om, hvordan PHARE-programmet har virket på miljøudviklingen i de fire Visegrad-lande.
It is clear that it contains a number of points of criticism, but the Commission finds it constructive, well-balanced, and, as I said in my introductory remarks, it is only natural that there be points of criticism.
I begge tilfælde står vi naturligvis med nogle begyndervanskeligheder.
Criticism is made, among other things, of a lack of information and transparency.
Vi har draget nogle erfaringer, og vi har kunnet lære af de fejl, som er begået både hos os og i modtagerlandene.
Now I want first of all to stress that we in the PHARE programme work a great deal with decentralised projects and programmes, where a great part of the responsibility for the implementation lies with the recipients and with the recipient countries.
Jeg synes ikke, at man i øvrigt skal være særlig forundret over, at der kan drages en række erfaringer, og at der er grundlag for en del kritik.
I think that is an important point for many reasons; it is no use for us in the West to patronise all of it and start going into the most minute details.
Vi må ikke glemme, at de pågældende lande blandt andet er karakteriseret ved en meget svag offentlig administration og en mangeårig fuldkommen mangel på interesse for miljømæssige forhold.
We have to show trust, for that is the precondition for the countries involved being able to build up a competent administrative apparatus.
Endnu en bemærkning til fru Peijs' betænkning vedrørende samarbejdet med Kommissionen og Fællesskabet.
Peijs (PPE), rapporteur. - (NL) Madam President, I have just two questions for the Commissioner.
Vi er tilfredse med den måde, det forløber på.
I looked in my report and this evening too at the senior administrative structure of the Bank, which seems to me excessively unwieldy.
Der er heller ikke problemer rent bevillingsmæssigt, når vi taler om PHARE.
It has 23 directors, including one representing the Commission.
Fru Peijs spurgte om betingelserne for at få bistand fra the nuclear safety fund. Det er ret enkelt.
My second question is this: the Bank's statute makes reference to political conditionality.
Vi mener, at man skal give bistand, hvis det drejer sig om en hurtig forbedring af den operationelle og den tekniske sikkerhed i de farligste atomkraftværker, der findes i området.
If I have understood the Commissioner aright, the department responsible for overseeing this at the Bank has been scrapped.
Det er det grundlæggende kriterium.
How then are we to ensure that the criteria of human rights, multiparty democracy and so on which must be satisfied before the Bank operates in Eastern Europe are indeed being met?
Hvis jeg må begynde med fru Peijs' betænkning, har jeg nogle bemærkninger om hovedpunkterne i betænkningen, og jeg skal også forsøge at besvare spørgsmål, som fru Peijs har stillet i sit indlæg.
It takes time. Their information systems are outdated and incomplete, since these are societies which are greatly influenced by the fact that information on public sector activities were kept a secret from the public.
Jeg skal ikke gøre særligt meget ud af, hvad der skete i EBRD frem til det tidspunkt, hvor man udskiftede den administrerende direktør.
Often they hardly knew themselves what was happening in their society, even those in the topmost administrative jobs were very poorly informed, and so one has to be patient.
Vi kender allesammen det beklagelige forløb, men jeg synes, der er grund til at notere, at den nye ledelse i banken har fået sat mange af de ting på plads, som der med god grund har været kritik af.
But I should like to point out that the PHARE programme's environment team as early as July last year presented a series of stocktaking reports on environmental conditions. These reports were passed on to the Spokesman, Mr Chanterie.
Så snart rapporten om bankens ledelse fra det særlige revisionsudvalg var offentliggjort, blev der fastsat nye regler for, hvordan rejseudgifter skulle bevilges, og der blev fastsat klare
We recognise that this type of information is greatly needed, and we have also through the PHARE environment team concluded a contract which will ensure that an environment database will be
Jeg vil naturligvis redegøre for de synspunkter, Parlamentet har givet udtryk for, når jeg på Fællesskabets
Chanterie (PPE), rapporteur. - (NL) Madam President, paragraph 24 to which the Commissioner refers at the end of his speech does indeed talk of pesticides, and whether or not they are banned in the Community as my report states is perhaps open to question.
Vi har ikke finansieret brug af stoffer, som er ulovlige i Fællesskabet.
Community's rules are right or wrong, but no Community rules have been broken.
I min betænkning samt her til aften er jeg kommet ind på bankens topstruktur, som forekommer mig overmåde tung. Der er tale om 23 bestyrelsesmedlemmer, hvor iblandt een også kommer fra Kommissionen.
environment and that the European Community has failed to meet its responsibilities over the transportation of these pesticides, which then ended up in Poland in less felicitous circumstances.
Vi kan hjælpe dem, men vi kan ikke overtage ledelsen eller styringen af deres samfund.
But the significant question raised was Mrs Jackson's question concerning paragraph
Chanterie (PPE), ordfører. - (NL) Fru formand, punkt 24, som kommissæren henviste til ved afslutningen af sit indlæg, taler rent faktisk om pesticider, og om disse overhovedet burde være forbudt i Fællesskabet, således som der rent faktisk står i min betænkning, er måske tvivlsomt.
Chanterie (PPE), rapporteur. - (FR) Madam President, the Commissioner has referred to paragraph 24 which he continues to regard as open to discussion.
Men det vigtige spørgsmål, der lige blev bragt frem, var fru Jacksons spørgsmål om punkt 22.
Paragraph 22 is fairly crucial.
Det vil jeg gerne lige vende tilbage til.
22 and I would like to repeat it.
Kommissæren har ikke nævnt, om evalueringsrapporten forår 1991 allerede er til disposition, men det er absolut et vigtigt spørgsmål, som fru Jackson stillede meget klart.
The Commissioner did not say whether the evaluation report for 1991 is already available, but this is a very important question and one which Mrs Jackson has framed in the clearest terms.
Det er også klart, at det ikke er let at indsamle og checke oplysninger.
Mr Chanterie can simply ask. and he will be allowed to read the draft.
De vidste ofte dårligt nok selv, hvad der foregik i deres samfund, selv de, der havde den øverste administrative ledelse, var meget dårligt informerede, og derfor må man have tålmodighed.
I would not like to leave unanswered the reproach that it is the European Parliament's fault that the flow of funds from the bank for Eastern Europe is sluggish.
Men jeg vil gerne gøre opmærksom på, at PHARE-programmets miljøteam allerede i juli sidste år fremlagde en række statusrapporter om miljømæssige forhold.
We had good reason to put some of the TACIS funds into the reserve, and that has nothing to do with the flow of bank funds.
Disse rapporter har vi givet til ordføreren, hr. Chanterie.
Its effects will only become apparent in the future.
Det er klart, at dér, hvor der er tale om rådgivning af forhold, som ikke griber ind i fysiske forhold, er miljøaspektet sjældent eksisterende.
Moreover, only ECU 20 m are being made available to the bank from the TACIS programme, in order to finance consultations and studies.
Vi undersøger, hvordan man kan overføre disse former for miljøvurderinger til PHARE-programmet.
That is why I believe that we as the European Parliament must reject that reproach.
Christophersen, næstformand i Kommissionen. - Jeg skal først sige om den politiske konditionalitet, at den naturligvis fortsat vil blive respekteret.
Christophersen, Vice-President of the Commission. -(DA) First of all, on political conditionality, let me say that it will of course still be respected.
Det er bl.a. en af grundene til, at man har lagt så megen vægt på, at alle aktionærer har en repræsentation i bankens ledelse, og den politiske analyseafdeling, jeg talte om, har ikke først og fremmest haft til formål at se på den politiske konditionalitet.
That, among other things, is one of the reasons it has been considered so important that all shareholders have a representative on the Board of the Bank, and the political analysis department I mentioned earlier did not have political condition ality as its primary task.
Det er ikke vanskeligt at vurdere, om et modtagerland respekterer de politiske betingelser. De er meget enkle og klare.
It is not difficult to assess whether a recipient country respects the political preconditions.
Det er et krav om, at det skal være et flerpartifællesskab eller -samfund, det er et krav om, at der skal være demokratiske institutioner, at der skal være respekt for menneskerettigheder.
There is a requirement that it be a multiparty community or society, there is a requirement that there be democratic institutions, that there be respect for human rights.
Det behøver man ikke at have en stor afdeling til at beskæftige sig med. Det kan vi udmærket følge i alle de lande, der er involveret.
You do not need a large department to deal with that. We can easily keep track of this in all the countries involved.
Jeg betragter det ikke som et problem; det er jo heller ikke et problem for Europa-Parlamentet at følge udviklingen i de pågældende lande.
I do not see it as a problem; nor is it a problem for the European Parliament to follow the development in the countries in question.
Der er et enkelt punkt, fru formand, som jeg skal nævne her til sidst.
Peijs (PPE), rapporteur. - (NL) Madam President, I find the Commissioner's reply concerning the Bank's administrative structure most unsatisfactory.
I punkt 24 er der en kritik, som vi ikke mener er velbegrundet. Det er en påstand om, at Kommissionen
During the crisis, when we needed to know what was going on in the Bank, no one saw anything and all 23 directors in London were going around with their eyes closed.
For så vidt angår selve den politiske overbygning i bankens ledelse, er det klart, at det ud fra en økonomisk betragtning er ret kostbart at have 58 direktører plus 3
As far as the actual political superstructure in the Bank's management is concerned, it is clear that from an economic standpoint it is quite expensive to have 58 directors plus 3 staff for each of them.
Christophersen ingen, der så noget, og alle de 23 direktører i London gik rundt i banken med lukkede øjne.
A number of them, namely the 23 based in London, follow the work of the Bank together with their staff.
Jeg kan ikke forstå, hvorfor denne struktur ikke kan varetages ved, at der simpelthen to eller tre gange om året afholdes almindelige eller ekstraordinære generalforsamlinger.
They wanted to be represented at Board level, and it was in particular the countries which are to receive the aid who emphasised this point. As recipients, they in no way wanted to be patronised by a professional Board or by a very small management team.
Hvis vi har behov for 100 mand bare for at få adgang til oplysninger fra banken, så forekommer dette mig at være en skandaløs post på budgettet.
I think one also needs to be aware that our Member States and the Community as a whole, thanks to this very extensive political representation on the Board of the Bank, have access to information on developments in the
Christophersen, næstformand i Kommissionen. - Fru formand, jeg bliver nødt til at gøre opmærksom på, at de former for misbrug, der fandt sted i banken, ikke kunne konstateres, før en intern revision var gennemført.
Christophersen, Vice-President of the Commission. -(DA) Madam President, I must point out that the type of fraud which took place in the Bank could not have been discovered before an internal audit took place.
Det varjo ikke sådan, at de direktører, der sad i banken, havde adgang til disse oplysninger.
It was not the case that the Bank Directors had access to this information.
De fik aldrig nogen sinde tilstillet disse oplysninger.
This information was never addressed to them.
Det er det problem, man løber ind i alle steder, hvor der finder misbrug sted.
That is the problem one runs into wherever there is fraud.
Jeg synes ikke, at man med rimelighed kan bebrejde de tilstedeværende direktører, at de ikke kunne se, hvad der foregik.
I do not think one can reasonably say that the Directors present should have known what was going on.
De fik nemlig aldrig adgang til de pågældende oplysninger.
They never had access to the information in question, you see.