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Herman (PPE). — (FR) Fru formand, i det store og hele kan vi tilslutte os de bestræbelser, som Kom missionen udfolder for at opretholde hovedlinjerne i Delors-Rapporten på trods af de ændringer, som nogle finansministre ønsker at foretage deri — undertiden i strid med de højtidelige forpligtelser, som stats- og regeringscheferne indgik i Rom.
We are therefore asking you to spell out in specific terms the new German and British proposals, or the exact commitments that you would like to see given on a common economic policy. If economic and monetary union is to be durable and sustainable through stage two and beyond, the Community's role must be strength ened in various areas, in particular those of structural policy and budgetary policy, so as to make sure that European monetary union benefits all regions of the Community.
Jeg vil slutte med en betragtning over Deres forslag i forbindelse med ecuen. I lige så høj grad som jeg i lighed med Dem mener — det behøver vi næppe at gentage — at forslaget om den tunge ecu indebærer uacceptable ulemper for os, i lige så høj grad mener jeg, at Kommissionen lidt for hurtigt tager stilling til fordel for den fastfrosne ecu i forhold til den tunge ecu, som foreslået af spanierne.
A lot of statements have been made, from the Commission's communication which appeared in August to the Council meeting on economic and monetary union, and on to the intergovernmental conference in Rome.
Det forekommer mig, at det spanske forslag har indlysende fordele.
What are we seeing today?
Herman mig risikabelt allerede nu at forestille sig, at pariteterne er fastsat uigenkaldeligt, hvad betyder så en fastfrossen ecu i dag andet, end at valutaerne bevarer deres vægtning, men at nogle af dem en skønne dag måske skal devalueres, hvorefter ecuen ikke længere byder samme garantier, har samme soliditet for dem, der med henblik på deres investeringer skal vælge mellem ecuens stærkeste valuta og ecuen selv? Derfor synes jeg, at den af den spanske regering foreslåede ecu har sine fordele.
Vice-President that, despite the reasons for thinking that the Deutschmark will quickly — more quickly than people think — overcome the difficulties that have arisen following German unification, instead of energy being mustered to match the economic performance of that powerful competitor, energy is being wasted in vain attempts to neutralize it.
Italien og Frankrig, der dels sætter sig indenrigspolitiske mål, men naturligvis også er opmærksomme på deres valutakurssituation.
GOLLNISCH (DR). — (FR) Mr President, I wish to raise a couple of points which are fairly simple although they have rather vast implications.
Disse landes situation er mere indviklet, fordi de dels fører en indenrigspolitik, der foranlediger dem til at til stræbe sænkning af renten, og en valutakurspolitik, der i øjeblikket foranlediger dem til at holde øje med deres valutakurser over for andre valutaer, især den tyske mark.
One concerns the monetary sphere, while the other is more particularly to do with the economic sphere, although I shall not be encroaching on the next debate.
Jeg vil gerne høre Kommissionens forsvar på dette punkt.
They always talk in terms of balances, of aggregate trade figures.
Hvorfor vælge den fastfrosne ecu, når man siger, at det, man frem for alt ønsker, er at berolige dem, der har ecu, at gøre ecuen attraktiv for alle?
And yet Mr Delors gave an example in connection with the Gulf war. Certain branches of activity have suffered.
Det forekommer mig, at forslaget fra Kommissionen ikke opfylder dette krav, medmindre jeg har misforstået det.
In all cases, this is because of the psychology of individual behaviour.
Som De ser, er der altså tre vidt forskellige situatio ner inden for Fællesskabet — for øvrigt med mod stridende resultater: Nogle forhøjer renten, andre sætter den ned, og så er der Storbritannien, der først for nylig er kommet ind i systemet og derfor har et særligt problem.
In the monetary sphere, we should like to know just exactly where we are going, since monetary union seems to us capable of being either the best or the worst of things.
Mit spørgsmål er følgende: Vil man tilnærme disse pengepolitiske opfattelser, og hvor dan skal man dømme mellem disse in- og eksterne opfattelser?
If monetary union is supposed to be a measuring instrument, then we can after all be delighted at having a common measuring instrument for prices, economies and conditions of competition in all the countries of Europe.
Det ville derfor glæde Parlamentet at få en forkla ring på Kommissionens holdning, hvad dette angår.
As was only to be expected, it has become a favourite instrument of economic policy, and is it not being used to encroach stage by stage, a little further each time, on the policies and political freedom of each of our Member States ?
Andet spørgsmål: Mener De, at fordelingen mellem penge- og budgetpolitik inden for Fællesskabet er tilstrækkelig i øjeblikket?
We are told, for instance, that in order to create this common currency, it is necessary — and self-evidently so — to start by coordinating monetary policies.
Det er et velkendt problem.
The next stage — and the plans are already in place — is harmonization of budgetary policies.
De var inde på det i forbindelse med Tysk land, der glædeligt nok netop har varslet en række nye budgetmæssige forholdsregler.
We were told that in order to establish the single market, customs duties had to be abolished.
Da de imidlertid er af ret begrænset betydning, mener De da, at fordelingen mellem penge- og budgetpolitik på nuværende tidspunkt bør ændres og i hvilken ret ning?
That goes without saying, and it is laid down in the Treaty of Rome.
Giscard d'Estaing (LDR). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg vil først og fremmest sige til kommissionsformanden, hvorfor vi ønskede denne forhandling.
Now we are being told that it is also necessary to harmonize indirect taxes, VAT, and excise duties.
Det skyldes at vi, som han sagde, i realiteten allerede befinder os i Den Økonomiske og Monetære Unions første fase, som omfatter målet om koordinering af pengepolitikken, idet man i anden fase nøjes med at sige, at denne koordinering skal styrkes.
But it is patently obvious that once that stage has been reached, the disparities in direct taxation will be even more blatant and even more reluctantly tolerated.
Vi har altså allerede nu pligt til at koordinere pengepolitikken, og dermed fortjener emnet en offentlig debat.
Businesses in various Member States are in fact already protesting against the disparities in direct taxes they are having to contend with, as is the case in France with the taxe professionnelle.
Denne debat skal foregå i Parlamentet.
So harmonization of direct taxes will necessarily ensue.
Da den i vidt omgang allerede er i gang i pressen, er det rimeligt, at den også finder sted her.
And then, once direct taxation has been harmonized, the need will be felt, for the same good reasons, to harmonize or even unify social security policies and wage policies.
Tredje spørgsmål: De nævnte i forbifarten to lande: Spanien og Storbritannien, som i øjeblikket har store svingningsmargener på 6%, og De sagde, at det i grunden virkede meget godt.
VAN DER WAAL (NI). — (NL) Mr President, according to press reports, there has been some confusion over the conclusions drawn at the Rome summit last year concerning the new institution that is to be set up 1 January 1994 as part of EMU.
Bør den i så fald ikke rettes?
More important than the controversy over words, of course, is the issue itself.
Spørgsmålet, vi stiller både os selv og Dem, er følgende: Er den nuværende koordinering af penge politikken i Fællesskabet tilstrækkelig? De svarede indirekte.
The existence of sufficient convergence has always been made a precondition for a successful EMU.
Tillad mig at gå Dem lidt mere på klingen. Som man kan se, føres der tre slags pengepolitik inden for Fællesskabet.
At the moment we see little in the way of progress towards convergence among the Member States in such areas as inflation and government finances.
Det gælder for Tyskland, der fører en meget uafhængig pengepolitik og derfor nu for at give de indenrigske økonomiske mål forrang har besluttet at foretage en vis forhøjelse afrenten, som nu for tre måneder ligger ca. 1% over renten i fjor.
Can the Commission say if this has implications for the original EMU timetable, and does the Commission agree that, as convergence is inadequate, 1 January 1994 as the date for the establishment of the central bank system should be reconsidered if the quality of EMU is not to be jeopardized ?
Fjerde spørgsmål: Vi går ind for gennemskinnelighed, vi er for demokrati.
Even though it calls for a fairly complex answer, my question is very simple : how far is this going to go ?
Mener De ikke, at de burde opfordres til at forelægge dem sammen, så man kan sammenholde målene på fællesskabsplan, og mener De endvidere ikke, at formanden for centralbankchefkomitéen regelmæssigt burde komme til Europa-Parlamentets kompetente udvalg for at informere om situationen i forbindelse med den pengepolitiske koordinering inden for Fælles skabet?
Are we not seeing the construction of a redoubtable machine for grinding down sovereignties, which are not just abstract notions that simply deserve to be defended for themselves, but the expression of the identities and freedoms of the very diverse nations that make up Europe?
Sidste spørgsmål: Tillad en kærlig fader at tænke på sit barns skæbne: ecuens rolle.
Just another word on this subject. Is not monetary union going to be an obstacle to accession by the East European countries which are now shaking of their chains, countries that are so close to us in culture and civilization ?
Så er der en anden gruppe lande, som er små EMS-medlemslande med åbne grænser, og de har et andet mål med deres pengepolitik, nemlig at fast holde kurserne og især disses paritet over for hovedvalutaerne, især den tyske mark.
DONNELLY (S). — Mr President, when we debate economic and monetary union, we listen to President Delors, who talks about the real things that concern the people living in the Community, the problems of East Germany, the outcome of the Gulf War, the problems of the recession in the United Kingdom, the slowdown in other countries.
De fører altså pengepolitik ud fra andre motiver.
We talk about these things in a tangible
Vi presser på, og De siger ja.
Let me give you two examples.
Vi befinder os i 1991, og vi forventer nye beslutninger.
Firstly, the question of rising interest rates and falling interest rates.
Dernæst ecuens befæstelse eller rettere ecuens fremtid. De omtalte tre hypoteser. Hr. Herman svarede Dem.
My question to the Commission is this : was the Commission at least informed by the Member States when they raised or lowered interest rates ?
Anden bemærkning: Denne ecu skal derimod med tiden udvikle sig til Fællesskabets stærke valuta, ikke den stærkeste valuta, men en stærk valuta.
It is important because it touches not only on economic policy and the first phase, but increasingly — even if we consider the German proposal — monetary policy.
Det vil sige, at man skal overveje en mekanisme, hvorefter der tages hensyn til Fællesskabets valutaers opskrivninger, medens man ikke længere tager hensyn til fællesskabsvalutaernes devalueringer.
I would therefore like to know if the Commission will be focusing more of its attention on these aspects with a view to promoting convergence and also closer coordination.
Nu har vi tilsyneladende to forslag på bordet — den spanske ecu og den frosne ecu — som begge har betydelig støtte, og som ikke ville medføre, at man udviklede en fjortende valuta, blot at man havde den trettende som parallel valuta under anden fase.
The problem — if I can address myself to the President of the Commission — is that, on the one hand, we have the real problems facing the economy and the monetary system of the Community, but when we come to debate the structures and the mechanisms and the timetable, we are dealing with it in an abstract way.
Det forekommer mig at være et enormt fremskridt.
Stage I is an example of the abstract way in which we are dealing with the issue of economic and monetary union.
Det første spørgsmål bliver så, hvem der skal forvalte denne fælles valuta?
We sent them back to committee during the Stage I of economic and monetary union.
Bliver det noget i retning af den monetære fond, som Det Forenede Kongeriges regering har foreslået, og som jo vil få mere at gøre end det centrale banksystem, der blev foreslået i Delors-Rapporten for så mange år siden?
The Cox report on multilateral surveillance and my report on the Committee of Central Bank Governors were referred back because we felt at that stage that the Commission and the Council were not taking the role of this House seriously.
Man kan godt samtidig fastfryse vægtningen, hvilket jeg tilslutter mig, og omvendt bevare virkningen af ændrede valutakurser, når der er tale om opskrivninger, således at ecuens fremtidige udvikling kommer til at ligge mellem middel værdien af Fællesskabets valutaer og den stærkeste valuta, så der opstår en anseelses- og efterspørgselsvirkning for ecuen.
To revert to Economic and Monetary Union and developments in this respect, I would like to ask the President of the Commission whether, in view of what he knows — and I feel that is rather more than what we read in the press — he believes everything is still being done in accordance with the Rome mandate by the eleven Member States that committed themselves to it.
Og endelig et sidste forslag for at gøre ecuen til noget velkendt: På alverdens edb-tastaturer har man nu S- og £-tegn, medens der intet tegn findes for den europæiske valuta.
Parliament has said how important it is to ensure that the second phase does not take too long, because that might increase the uncertainty, which is never a good thing if there is to be convergence.
Derfor bør De som led i Deres tekniske forslag gå ind for, at ecu i fremtiden kommer med på edb-tastaturerne.
When I consider the possibility suggested by the President of the Commission himself of having decisionmaking at two speeds, we should surely be reconsidering the duration of the second phase.
Det vil glæde mig, hr. Delors, hvis De i fremtiden vil beskæftige Dem lidt mere med barnet.
The Germans have come back to this and now want, as it were, a kind of upgraded committee, as we now have.
Jeg er sikker på, at det vil være Dem taknemmeligt derfor.
Does the Commission feel this is something that is relevant in itself, or is it in fact merely a question of semantics?
(Bifald)
What did it produce ?
Det betyder, at hvad vi allerede drøfter er, hvilke kriterier man skal formulere for overgangen fra en fælles valuta, ecuen, som alle går ind for, til at have ecuen som eneste valuta.
We have to meet in closed rooms, and he seems to be rushed in under a blanket before he will talk with Parliament about the role of his committee.
Jeg vil gerne foreslå formanden for Kommissionen, at det, vi nu skal gøre, ikke er at fastsætte en dato, men at formulere en række kriterier med hensyn til graden af konvergens for fællesskabslandenes økonomi, størrelsen af markedet for ecu og udviklingen af ecuen som fælles valuta, så vi efter nogen tids forløb vil opdage, at den fælles valuta allerede er ved at blive til en enkelt valuta.
As far as this House is concerned, Mr President, we must have transparency in the procedure leading up to economic and monetary union, and until we have that trans parency, we will never deal with the question of the hard ECU or the Spanish ECU or the frozen ECU.
Så vil det blive relativt enkelt for de nationale parlamenter i Fællesskabet at beslutte, at den herefter skal være eneste valuta.
I would hope that the Commission will begin to take the initiative again in this area, that we can actually have statements from the Commission which will analyse properly the proposals that have been put forward.
Patterson (ED). — (EN) Fru formand, jeg begynder med et marginalt spørgsmål.
As regards the ECU I have two questions for the Commission.
Jeg har forstået på formanden for Kommissionen, at tyskerne vil forhøje deres moms til 15%, hvilket måske vil gøre det muligt for hans kollega, fru Scrivener, at frem sætte et forslag om en minimumsmomssats på 15%, og det vil løse problemet.
Firstly, I would like an assessment of the substance of ECU developments, which have been the subject of various proposals, and also — as Mr Delors has just indicated himself — of the various instruments available for making the existing ECU stronger, quite apart from its substance.
Så mit første spørgsmål er: Hvorfor ikke gøre det?
What could we do about this, as regards lower costs, for example ?
Jeg stiller disse spørgsmål til Kommissionen, fordi jeg virkelig mener, at der sker fremskridt, og at sige, at der alligevel ikke er nogen mulighed for kompromis, er jo at fordømme hele processen med regeringskonferencen fra begyndelsen.
We now have amendments submitted by national governments on economic and monetary union. Is it not time we looked at those amendments and the Commission and Parliament began debating them and deciding which of them this House and the Commissioners can actually support together.
Personlig er jeg meget optimistisk, og jeg kunne godt lide at vide, om Kommissionens formand ikke også er det.
By so doing, we will strengthen our voice as a Commission and as a Parliament.
Mit andet spørgsmål udspringer af et spørgsmål, jeg stillede til formanden for Kommissionen for to måneder siden. Jeg spurgte ham, om der var mulig hed for et kompromis mellem de forskellige opfattelser i forbindelse med regeringskonferencen om ØMU, og han svarede for en måned siden, at det troede han ikke var muligt.
BEUMER (PPE), chairman of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy. — (NL) Mr President, the President of the Commission asked a question about the first phase, which he repeatedly says is very important for what is to come.
Jeg vil gerne stille ham det samme spørgsmål igen, for på det, han sagde, forstod jeg, at der er mulighed for et kompromis mellem de forskellige opfattelser, særlig med hensyn
I agree with that, and I feel it is right for me to join with those who have said that it must be made clearer
og i verden, viser efter min mening, at der netop mangler et politisk centrum, dvs. at der mangler det, som vi flere gange har fremhævet som en nødvendig hed, nemlig skabelsen af en politisk enhed, opbygningen af et virkeligt Europa, og også dette driver os til at råbe vagt i gevær.
In this context, I must say to Mr Delors that it is vital that new and better ways be found, not only of examining but also of revising the European Social Fund so that it can better finance the policies to be implemented, thereby attenuating the effects of economic and monetary union.
Faktisk ser man igen i denne tid mange planer fra enkelte medlemsstater, der, i det mindste efter hvad man læser, taler et meget forskelligt sprog.
STEVENS (ED). — Mr President, much of this debate seems to have been rather pessimistic, emphasizing that Parliament has not played much of a role in the process and that in some way development towards monetary union has rather gone off the rails. I must confess I am not so pessimistic.
Lataillade (RDE). — (FR) Fru formand, kære kol leger, alle ser ud til at være tilhængere af en virkelig økonomisk og monetær union.
It is important to understand that interest rate differentials within the European Community in the past three years have been declining very substantially.
Lige fra flertallet, der består af tilhængere af hurtig indførelse af en fælles valuta og hurtig oprettelse af en føderalt inspireret europæisk centralbank, til pragmatikerne, der går ind for mere sammenfaldende økonomiske strukturer i medlemsstater og regioner, samtidig med at de støtter indførelsen af en af markedets love til skyndet og hjemlet valuta.
I would ask the President of the Commission to consider how narrow the interest rate differential between French and German rates has become and, if the Bundesbank had not maintained the strong policy it has been pursuing, whether that would have come about.
Blandt de ting, der er på tapetet, finder vi Spaniens delplan, som jeg naturligvis ikke vil tillægge overdreven betydning, og som på den anden side ikke foruroliger mig voldsomt, for en såkaldt tung kurv for ecuen og frem for alt, efter hvad der siges, den tyske regerings forslag, hvorefter videre fremskridt med Den Økonomiske og Monetære Union skulle gøres betinget af en fuldstændig — og efter hvad jeg mener umulig, som den er formuleret — økonomisk tilnærmelse mellem medlemsstaterne.
That being said, however, progress towards monetary union must be determined and pragmatic, and involve everybody within the overall context, I believe that twospeed progress towards monetary union would be inconsistent with the very principle of the single market and I would remind the President of the Commission of this and ask him to devote his full attention to ensuring that the disparities disappear and that more cohesion is developed.
Det er med rette, at måske Tyskland, men faktisk alle har et stærkt ønske om at formane medlemsstaterne og deres erhvervsliv om en konkret indsats for at opnå større økonomisk tilnærmelse, for at nedbringe de uligheder, der i dag er åbenbare inden for Fællesskabet.
So the underlying economic circumstances which will allow monetary union to take place are in fact vastly improved and continuing to improve despite short term difficulties with interest rates.
Det, der efter min mening ikke er rigtigt, er udformningen af det tyske forslag, der tager dette stærke ønske op, men giver et forkert svar på Den Økono miske og Monetære Unions problemer.
The crucial point is that we should be clear here that it is necessary to have a definition of the kind of monetary union we ultimately want.
Der er fremsat mange erklæringer fra Kommissionens meddelelse til Rådet om Den Økonomiske og Monetære Union i august til regeringskonferencen i Rom.
Once again, I welcome the German proposals as a clear definition of what a single-currency monetary union should ultimately look like.
Men hvad oplever vi så nu?
We can then decide on the pace at which to proceed.
Til trods for en række nylige benægtelser ser Tysk land ikke længere ud til at ville have en europæisk centralbank før tidligst i 1997 og synes at foretrække en centralbankchefkomité, samtidig med at hovedvægten mere end nogen sinde lægges på tre punkter.
Once we have that, we can be much more relaxed about the pace because the Commission should be concentrating on its traditional task of liberalizing financial markets. That is what will bring monetary union about, once we have that clear definition.
For det første en virkelig vedvarende konvergens mellem De Tolvs økonomiske politik, der giver sig til kende i en omfattende stramning af rentesatserne på finansmarkederne; for det andet nødvendigheden af stor prisstabilitet og for det tredje mindre budget underskud i Fællesskabets medlemsstater.
That is what will also ensure that we make the sort of progress towards monetary union which will ultimately allow this House to have a clear role in it because it is inevitable that, if we have monetary union, this House will ultimately play a substantial role in administering it.
På den anden side er der blevet forelagt et fransk forslag, også det er noget, jeg har læst, der simpelt hen ignorerer Europa-Parlamentet, formindsker Kommissionens rolle og udelukkende fremhæver Rådets.
PAISLEY (NI). — Mr President, I welcome this debate and I should like to put some questions to the President of the Commission.
Jeg vil ikke dramatisere dette, det må være klart, jeg forstår meget godt, at dette ligeledes er en lejlighed for hver stat til at konstatere de andres reaktioner. Dette kan derfor også være prøveballoner for at se de andre medlemsstaters politiske reaktioner.
Would he care to comment about the real difference between himself and the United Kingdom on this subject of European monetary union and the single currency?