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Jeg er overbevist om, at sådanne møder vil være givtige, og jeg ønsker delegationen fra det ungarske parlament et behageligt ophold i Strasbourg.
It is an even broader directive because it recognizes the inversion of burden of proof not only in cases of
(Bifald) von der Vring (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg tager ordet på Budgetudvalgets vegne.
Our Group, Mr President, is very sensitive to any type of discrimination and, in this particular case, to sexual discrimination, and we are extremely perplexed by the persistence of the phenomenon of indirect or disguised discrimination as manifested by the decision of the EEC Court of Justice.
Der er blot tale om indføjelsen af tre ord i forordningen, nemlig ordene: Estland, Letland og Litauen. Dette har Parlamentet tidligere truffet beslutning om. Flere møder er ikke nødvendige.
As other speakers have already done, we wish to draw the Council's attention to the fact that it should shortly adopt the proposal for a directive relating to the shift in the burden of proof in terms of equality of treatment between male and female workers.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok. A3-238/91) af Fontaine for Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender og Borgernes Rettigheder om følgerne af Domstolens dom i sag 109/88 om ligebehandling.
The many arguments put forward by male and female Members have made this very clear, and I can only advise everyone to read the excellent explanatory statement in Mrs Fontaine's report.
Især takker jeg sidstnævnte udvalgs ord fører, fru Salema. De to udvalg vurderer enstemmigt, at om end dommen udgør et vigtigt skridt fremad, har Domstolen dog ikke reelt vendt bevis byrden.
I feel that, at bottom, Mr President, this would merely be a modern expression, as it were, of the old proworker principle, applied in this case to women.
Fontaine (PPE), ordfører. — (FR) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, på foranledning af formanden for Udvalget om Kvinders Rettigheder har Parlamentet analyseret en af Domstolens domme.
The question under discussion, namely the reversal of the burden of proof and the distinction between direct and indirect discrimination, is a particularly thorny one and has been the subject of much dispute in our Member States too.
En yderst interessant dom vedrørende et emne, der ikke er Parlamentet fremmed, nemlig ligebehandling af mænd og kvinder.
These two concepts constantly come up as a problem in the question of discrimination.
Betænkningen indeholder meget sigende tal desangående.
It does not call for reversal of the burden of proof as a general principle.
Dette direktivforslags anvendelsesområde er bredere, idet det omfatter samtlige ligebehandlingsaspekter, og ikke blot på lønområdet.
I hope the Court of Justice's judgment will bring some momentum into the discussion of the directive on the reversal of the burden of proof.
Dette punkt er under streget i fru Catastas betænkning for Udvalget om Sociale Anliggender.
We have been waiting for this directive for a long time and we have also been waiting a long time, as emerges clearly from the Court of Justice's judgment, for a definition of indirect discrimination.
Den person, der betragter sig som forurettet, skal blot skabe formodning om forskelsbehandling.
That is also called for in the motion for a resolution, for it is often a cause of discrimination.
Dommen er derimod interessant på nogle områder i forhold til direktivet, da den vurderer de objektive kriterier for personligt tillæg, men det må i den sammenhæng beklages, at kun forbindelsen til udførelse af arbejdsopgaver medtages, hvilket i øvrigt også gør sig gældende for fru Catasta.
We can only support any initiatives to raise public awareness and overcome prejudices. Then perhaps one day the reversal of the burden of proof will no longer be needed to produce the kind of leverage we still hope for today and which we would like to see incorporated in a directive.
Retsudvalget er sig i øvrigt fuldt bevidst, at en omvendt bevisbyrde ikke vil løse alle problemer. Det er alle her i salen klar over.
BJØRNVIG (ARC). — (DA) Mr President, I regret that in Denmark, where in both law and theory we have equality, that is not how things work in practice.
Derfor fremsættes der forslag om ledsageforanstaltninger som led i en global og sammenhængende strategi.
I also regret that the Danish Union of Commercial and Clerical Employees felt it necessary to take the employers to the EC Court of Justice.
Vi insisterer på nødvendigheden af at bekæmpe alle former for forskelsbehandling.
But most of all I regret that the judgment handed down still makes it possible for employers to discriminate against women.
Det er på den baggrund, at Kommissionen i december 1988 fremsatte forslag om en ny foranstaltning, nemlig at det i tilfælde af formodning om forskelsbehandling påhvilede den indklagede part at bevise, at der ikke var tale om manglende overholdelse af ligebehandlingsprincippet.
It is unfortunately too much in line with the new draft directive which, for example, will mean in practice that Danish women of child-bearing age risk being excluded from 170 000 jobs in agriculture, abbatoirs, dairies, gardening enterprises and many other trades and industries.
Kommissionen fremsatte med andre ord forslag om et juridisk fællesskabsinstrument, der åbnede mulighed for en bedre hånd hævelse af retsprincipperne.
Nicole Fontaine's report gives an excellent presentation of most of the problems.
Dette fællesskabsinstrument består i at vende bevisbyrden.
One of the areas in which the employer, who in most cases is a man, can continue to discriminate against women is that of flexibility.
Dette princip om omvendt bevisbyrde vedtoges med stort flertal i Parlamentet i forbindelse med vedtagelsen af fru Jessica Larives betænkning, og alle ved, hvor svært det er for den, der er udsat for forskelsbehandling, at løfte bevisbyrden.
If a person is considered to be flexible in the matter of working hours and location, that person can earn a bonus which is not available to someone who does not work flexibly, though the work is of the same type and quality.
Alle ved, hvor hyppigt forskelsbehandlingens indirekte karakter gør det umuligt for sagsøgeren at løfte bevisbyrden.
These bonuses may be payable even if in practice there is no need for flexibility. Women are generally not thought to be flexible and usually cannot therefore earn these bonuses.
Kommissionens for slag til direktiv havde den fortjeneste ligeledes at foreslå en stringent og interessant definition på indirekte forskelsbehandling.
It is profoundly unjust, and I think that a weak point emerges in an otherwise really good report in the fact that the rapporteur not only observes but is also apparently prepared to accept that female workers are less able than male workers to adopt flexible patterns of working because of domestic and family responsibilities.
Desværre fulgte Rådet ikke dette initiativ op.
That is grist to the mill of men and the employers.
I mellemtiden er der imidlertid sket det, at Domstolen i Luxembourg i en sag har afsagt ken delse om, at det påhvilede arbejdsgiveren at bevise, at princippet om ligebehandling ikke er blevet tilsidesat. desat.
It is the responsibility and duty of fathers to cooperate in ensuring that women can be just as flexible as they and, where single mothers are concerned, it is society's responsibility.
Endelig har domstolens dom for nylig i forbindelse med den franske lovgivning om forbud mod natarbejde for kvinder tiltrukket sig Retsudvalgets opmærksomhed.
Equality is not determined solely, as the report says, by the ability of women 'to engage in economic activity on an equal footing with men, and their adaptability to the constraints of working life'.
Efter udvalgets opfattelse giver denne dom anledning til grundige overvejelser, ikke blot i Kommissionen, men også i Parlamentet, over, hvordan det hindres, at særforanstaltninger til fordel for kvinder får negative følgevirkninger i form af anslag mod kvindernes faglige forfremmelse og sociale udvikling, navnlig hvad angår muligheden for ansættelse.
It is just as much a question of the ability of men to share in the life of the family on an equal footing with women, and their adaptability to the constraints of family life.
Jeg gør opmærksom på et oversættelsesproblem, først og fremmest i den tyske version, i forbindelse
Despite this one critical remark, we support Mrs Fontaine's report.
Hermed opstod der en række fundamentale spørgsmål, der i øvrigt alle er af juridisk karakter.
Like Mrs Fontaine, I would like to make one further point: many social measures produced disadvantages for women but were not a question of deviation from the norm.
Derfor er den foreliggende betænkning udarbejdet for Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender og Borgernes Rettigheder.
In the German translation they have become 'abartig', i.e. deviant, and I very much hope Parliament's Bureau will look into the matter of amend ments being tabled whose spirit and letter are altered in the translated version.
Gør domstolens dom princippet om omvendt bevisbyrde gældende?
Then it would be the Parliamentary texts that were deviant.
Og i bekræftende fald gør dommen så direktivforslaget om bevisbyrden uaktuelt? Kan vi komme videre?
RIBEIRO (CG). — (PT) Mr President, the fight against unequal treatment of men and women in the work-place has been a long one, made up of tiny steps, and by
Den tyske oversættelse gengiver efter min mening slet ikke denne betydning. Hvilket jeg gerne vil understrege, ligesom jeg skal understrege, at jeg stadig ønsker oversættelsen ændret.
The Commission's proposal would oblige Member States to make provision for the evidential burden to shift to the employer once the complainant has established a presumption of discrimination.
Som anden konklusion slår Domstolen fast, at direktivet skal fortolkes således, at når det ser ud til, at kriteriet om aflønning efter flertallet systematisk stiller kvindelige lønmodtagere ringere, kan arbejds giveren ty til kriterier som f.eks. fleksibilitet, faglig uddannelse og anciennitet.
The affirmation of principles, in accordance with Article 119 of the Treaty of Rome and many other documents, could be applied hypocritically, concretising indirect discriminations by apparently neutral criteria which, in reality, are just as discriminatory.
Afslutningsvis takker jeg medlemmerne, mandlige såvel som kvindelige, af Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender og Borgernes Rettigheder, der har behandlet dette emne med den interesse og alvor, som det fortjener.
The Commission continues to believe in the need for such a modification of the burden of proof and, valuable as the Court's decision has been, the views expressed by a number of people in the course of debate support that view.
Salema (S), ordfører for Udvalget om Kvinders Ret tigheder. — (PT) Hr. formand, jeg vil først under strege den gode modtagelse, som Retsudvalget gav den udtalelse, der blev vedtaget i Udvalget om Kvinders Rettigheder, som jeg er ordfører for.
Just as Parliament takes this view, so the Commission considers it important that the Council should resume its deliberations on the proposal for a directive on the burden of proof, in order to arrive at a decision.
En ting er at gøre et lønsystem gennemsigtigt, når de involverede arbejdstagere ikke kan bevise en mangel på ligevægt, en anden ting er at sige, at der er en formodning om diskriminering, navnlig i en sag som denne, hvor det kun er arbejdsgiveren, der kan bevise, hvordan lønsystemet i virkeligheden anvendes. des.
The Commission has called on the Council to do so, and of course has been much reinforced by what has been said, not only in the report but also during the course of the debate. Meanwhile, the Court has provided clarification of the evidentiary burden in such cases as the Danfoss one and it is to be welcomed as most significant.
Jeg vil takke fru Fontaine for hendes søgen efter dialog, som sammen med hendes tekniske kompetence og helt korrekte politiske holdninger til ligestillingen mellem mænd og kvinder fik tilført det nødvendige politiske indhold, men også det objektive perspektiv, som den foreliggende dom manglede.
That clarification must now be followed by the national courts in the same way as other jurisprudence of the Court of Justice is applicable throughout the Community.
Derfor mener vi, at Fællesskabets Domstol ikke havde mulighed for at vende bevisbyrden.
I think it is the right time to refer to the recent publication in Portugal of a petition relating to a bank employing 23 women out of a total staff of 3152.
Derfor mener vi, at der er behov for direktivforslaget vedrørende bevisbyrden i forbin delse med ligeløn og ligebehandling af kvinder og mænd, som Europa-Parlamentet allerede har afgivet udtalelse om. Vi mener, der virkelig er behov for dette direktiv.
The reaction of the chairman of this bank was broadcast on television : he has nothing against employing women but his bank applies 'availability criteria' when recruiting staff.
Det drejer sig om at undersøge de juridiske og praktiske konsekvenser af Domstolens dom i Dan-foss-sagen vedrørende ligeløn til kvindelige og mandlige arbejdstagere.
It should not be up to women to prove that they are available for working in a bank, for example, but it should be up to the bank to prove that they are less available for working in it.
Ved en hastig gennemgang af den juridiske afgørelse har mange draget den konklusion, at en forskel i aflønningen af mandlige og kvindelige arbejdstagere i samme løngruppe i sig selv indebærer en generel formodning om forskelsbehandling på grund af køn.
The Commission welcomes the guidance provided by the Court on the need to justify the use of criteria, not just in the Danfoss case but also in cases such as Rummler versus Datadruck GmbH and Nimtz versus Frei- und Hansestadt Hamburg.
Derfor er denne teoris tilhængere kommet til det resultat, at Domstolen har fastslået det, man teoretisk kalder omvendt bevisbyrde.
Indeed, the Commission has resolved to produce a memorandum on equal pay for work of equal value, as it is clear that equal pay is not yet a reality for women across the Community.
Vayssade (S). — (FR) Jeg takker fru Fontaine for hendes betænkning og for at have taget hensyn til samtlige de forslag, Udvalget om Kvinders Rettigheder fremkom med under drøftelserne i Retsudvalget. get.
With regard to indirect discrimination, the Commission shares Parliament's concern about the prevalence of indirect discrimination and its impact on women in the labour market and will seek to contribute to clarify the scope of the provisions with regard to indirect discrimination.
Tværtimod: Den foreliggende dom er et klart eksempel på, at der i nogle nationale retsinstanser stadig er vanskeligheder ved gennemførelsen af ligelønsprincippet, der er stadfæstet i EØF-Trak-tatens artikel 119 og derfor også selvsagt vigtigt.
It has been clear from the contributions to the debate this morning that the view taken in the report is shared overwhelmingly by Parliament.
Mine damer og herrer, at forkynde principper er ikke nok; man skal også garantere dem, retfærdig gøre dem og sørge for de instrumenter, der er nødvendige for deres overholdelse.
Finally, the Commission agrees with the view which has been expressed that much remains to be done to change the traditional and outdated assumptions about the role of women in the labour market.
Domstolen konkluderer, at direktivet vedrørende ligeløn skal fortolkes derhen, at såfremt en virksomhed anvender et helt uigennemskueligt lønfastsættelsessystem, påhviler det arbejdsgiveren at føre bevis for, at den førte
I welcome the fact that a couple of men have intervened in the debate to indicate their support for that view, and the Commission has detailed some of its plans to work towards changing those attitudes and assumptions in its third action programme.
Domstolens dom er et led i en allerede lang retspraksis vedrørende håndhævelsen af princippet om lige behandling af mænd og kvinder, i særdeleshed på lønområdet.
As the report indicates, the decision of the Court of Justice in the Danfoss case has a number of significant implications and the Commission welcomes the clarification that the Court provided in its judgement in a number of important respects.
Med hensyn til begreberne lige løn for lige arbejde, indirekte diskrimination og spørgsmålet om bevisbyrde har Domstolen tidligere og også denne gang givet en interessant fortolkning, som dog er begrænset på grund af manglende retsgrundlag. Alt kan ikke baseres på Traktatens artikel 119 og de eksisterende direktiver.
In relation to the burden of proof, for example, the report notes that the Commission proposed, in its proposal for a directive on the burden of proof in the area of equal pay and equal
Af den grund anmoder jeg i lighed med de andre medlemmer af udvalget om
The vote will take place tomorrow at 12 noon.
Den Socialistiske Gruppe vil stemme for fru Fontaines betænkning og for de ændringsforslag fra Udvalget om Sociale Anliggender, Beskæftigelse og Arbejdsmiljø, der så udmærket supplerer den.
VON WOGAU (PPE), rapporteur. — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, the report I am introducing today concerns statistics relating to the trading of goods between Member States.
ufortøvet vedtagelse af direktivet om omvendt bevis byrde, der desuden indeholder en definition på indirekte forskelsbehandling, der i dette direktiv i øvrigt i vid udstrækning er inspireret af nogle af Domstolens tidligere afsagte domme.
There is, however, one point where Parliament does not agree with the common position : the question of the implementing provisions. The common position pro vides that certain implementing provisions shall be adopted by the Council, on a proposal from the Commission.
Vi har i adskillige år anmodet om en omdefinering af stillinger og kvalifikationer, der tager hensyn til de nye arbejdsbetingelser i virksomhederne, da en del af de eksisterende definitioner nu er forældede og mere i overensstemmelse med et mandligt end et kvindeligt arbejde og med eksaminer og eksamensbeviser, der har ændret sig meget i mellemtiden.
Here there are two options : when it is a matter of purely technical provisions, then our view is that the Commission as the executive organ of the European Community should be able to lay them down. But where there are political implications, both arms of the legislation of the European Community, namely the Council and Parliament, should be involved.
Lulling (PPE). — (FR) Hr. formand, det er ikke svært at forstå, at de kvindelige medlemmer af Parlamentet har benyttet Domstolens dom i en sag om ligebehandling af mænd og kvinder som udgangspunkt for udarbejdelsen af denne betænk ning.
On 31.12.1992 the borders will be dismantled and so will border controls between the Member States of the European Community.
Det giver os lejlighed til igen at påpege et problem, der stadig væk er foruroligende, idet der trods politikken vedrørende ligebehandling og lige muligheder, der er baseret på Traktatens artikel 119 — en politik, der er af uvurderlig værdi med hensyn til at sikre denne lighed på det juridiske plan — stadig findes væsentlige og uberettigde forskelle mel lem kvindelige og mandlige arbejdstageres gennem snitsløn.
Until now, which few people realized, statistical data was also collected at the borders, for the customs declarations that had to be filled in always contained a copy for statistical purposes so that it was possible, on the basis of these copies, to establish to the last detail which goods of which size and at what prices moved back and forwards between the EC Member States.
Den foreliggende betænkning omhandler især spørgsmålet om bevisbyrde — hvilket de foregående talere alle har været inde på — men også en ny analyse af, hvilke kriterier der kan lægges til grund for lønforskelle.
ROGALLA (S). — (DE) Mr President, the Socialist Group will endorse Mr von Wogau's report even though we have a number of very serious reservations.
Sådanne kriterier viser sig imidlertid altid i praksis at gå ud over kvindernes løn i forhold til mændenes.
Because of our mental backwardness we are unable to dismantle the borders, with all that implies, which includes the regional and national statistical requirements.
Hermed rejses det mest grund læggende spørgsmål i forbindelse med forskelsbehandling og hindringer for ligestilling, spørgsmål, der går ud over virksomhedens rammer og peger på ligebehandlingsproblematikken som en del af et mere omfattende samfundsproblem.
That is why in my view even the Commission proposal, which after all can be no more than the beginning of a running fight, is far too weak.
Uden at benægte, at der stadig findes store forskelle, må sådanne udtalelser imidlertid nuanceres.
How will this be dealt with after 31.12.1992?
I Luxembourg er den dominerende industri jernog stålindustrien, der praktisk talt kun beskæftiger mandlige arbejdstagere, og hvor de eneste kvinder med manuelt arbejde findes inden for servicefunktioner.
First we will have to ask ourselves to what extent we will need statistics on trade between Member States after 31.12.
Størstedelen af de øvrige industrier beskæftiger ligeledes hovedsagelig mandlig arbejdskraft og meget få eller slet ingen faglærte kvinder som følge af arbejdets karakter.
We will certainly need them for economic policy reasons in order to determine the payments and trade between the EC Member States. Moreover, firms are interested in having data for market research reasons.
De statistiske tal må derfor relativeres, idet de ikke forholder sig til arbejdsstyrkens struktur som følge af de pågældende virksomheders karakter.
However, we must also ask ourselves whether it is the job of the state to carry out market research or whether this should not be reserved to businesses, to firms.
Det forholder sig jo rent faktisk sådan, at når kvinder er mindre fleksible, skyldes det, at de størstedelen af tiden udfører dobbelt arbejde.
As Mr von Wogau and others have pointed out, we have to resign ourselves to the fact that statistics will continue to be collected, although they are only needed by the firms concerned.
Sådanne tilsyneladende objektive kriterier vender sig i praksis mod kvinderne, uden at man kan anklage den pågældende arbejdsgiver.
That is why we too will resist the road taken by the Council, i.e. that it should adopt the necessary implementing provisions on a proposal from the Commission, because that is no more than an attempt to keep the Council, the Member States, national aspects, national motives in play.
Derfor må spørgsmålet om tilrettelæggelsen af arbejdet i hjemmet og i familien, om sociale faciliteter osv. rejses.
That game no longer makes sense in the internal market !
Omvendt bevis byrde er et usædvanligt fænomen i forhold til de almindelige retsprincipper, der gælder i vore samfund, hvilket ordføreren også selv fremhæver.
But these advantages would not occur if the existing bureaucracy at the borders is not abolished but is merely shifted elsewhere.
Efter min mening må det undgås, at der indføres for mange undtagelses- og beskyttelsesforanstaltninger for kvindelige arbejdstagere, da det kan indebære en risiko for, at arbejdsgiverne holder sig tilbage med hensyn til at ansætte kvinder.
We always feared that the small and mediumsized undertakings in particular, who complained in the past that they were subject to a huge amount of red tape at the borders, would find that although they were no longer plagued with red tape at the borders, instead the statistical offices sent them floods of documents so that they had to fill in the same papers as before — if not for customs, then for these statistical offices.
I lighed med ordføre ren mener jeg imidlertid, at et afbalanceret direktiv om omvendt bevisbyrde på området ligebehandling kan bidrage til at regulere tilfælde af forskelsbehandling og måske endda få offentlige og private arbejds givere til at afholde sig fra at praktisere en sådan.
SCRIVENER, Member of the Commission. — (FR) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, the Commission has already had an opportunity to say how satisfied it is with the overall outcome of the negotiations and would naturally like to thank the rapporteur, Mr von Wogau, for all his work.