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Det er rigtigt, at jeg i går gjorde opmærksom på hr. Harlem Desirs tilstedeværelse inden for disse mure, samtidig med at vi via budgettet yder finansiel støtte til modtagere, som vi ikke kender, inden for de ikke- statslige organisationer. ')
It is true that I complained yesterday about the presence of Mr Harlem Désir in the corridors of this building, when we have budget appropriations for subsidies to European NGOs and do not even know who the money is going to.1
Jeg ønsker respekt for medlemmernes ære, og at det ikke skal være tilladt under nogen omstændigheder ustraffet at angribe medlemmer af Europa-Parlamentet! tet!
Mr President, honourable Members' integrity should be respected, and people should not be allowed to get away with slandering them!
Gensidig anerkendelse af eksamensbeviser for vide regående uddannelser
Recognition of higher-education diplomas
Bombard (S). — (FR) Hr. formand, i går, da Harlem Desir vor Lord Plumbs gæst, rettede hr. Collinot et utilstedeligt angreb på ham og kaldte ham terrorist.
BOMBARD (S). — (FR) Mr President, while he was visiting President Plumb, Harlem Désir was the target of an inadmissible attack by Mr Collinot, who called him a terrorist.
Dette vil jeg gerne have optaget i protokollen.
I would like that minuted.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er ind stilling ved anden behandling (dok.
PRESIDENT. — The next item is the debate on the recommendation for the second reading (Doc.
A2-220/88) fra Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender og Borgernes Ret tigheder vedrørende Rådets fælles holdning (dok C2125/88) til forslag til direktiv om indførelse af en generel ordning for gensidig anerkendelse af eksamensbeviser for erhvervskompetencegivende videre gående uddannelser af mindst tre års varighed. (Ordfører: Fontaine).
A 2220/88) by the Committee on Legal Affairs and Citizens' Rights on the common position of the Council (C 2-125/88) on a directive on a general system of recognition of higher-education diplomas awarded on completion of professional educational training of at least three years' duration (Rapporteur: Mrs Fontaine)
McMahon (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg har et spørgsmål i forbindelse med den første side af protokollen.
McMAHON (S). — Mr President, I have a question regarding the first page of the minutes.
Hr. Martin rejste et spørgsmål vedrørende Nicaragua, og han blev lovet en udtalelse fra Kom missionen.
My colleague, Mr Martin, raised the question of Nicaragua and he was promised that the Commission would make a statement.
Jeg ser, at min gode ven.
Approval of minutes.
Lord Cockfield, er til stede i formiddag. Måske han kunne svare på Kommissionens vegne.
Debates of the European Parliament
Det er en meget alvorlig sag, denne orkan i Nicaragua, og jeg tror, medlemmerne er meget spændte på, hvad Kommissionen agter at gøre ved den.
Today we have before us a common position on this subject and, as rapporteur, I am here to pass on the comments emerging from a thorough examination by the Committee on Legal Affairs and Citizens' Rights.
Jeg tager Deres bemærkning til efter retning.
In the case of engineers, this possibility, which is referred to in the directive on architects, has been reiterated by the Council.
Vi har alle haft lejlighed til at konstatere emnets popularitet blandt offentligheden.
In addition to that, we found that the amendments in our opinion of 14 November 1985 were very largely reflected in the common position.
Det glædede os derfor overordentligt den 22. juni i år at erfare, at Det Europæiske Råd omsider var nået til enighed om et spørgsmål, der for ikke så længe siden virkede som en søslange, der ikke var til at komme udenom.
Examples include the amendments on compliance with professional rules in force in the host Member State, the right of appeal, submission of a report to the European Parliament, and clarification of the wording on various points.
Dimopoulos (DR). — (GR) Hr. formand, som bekendt udsendes hver dag til information af medlemmerne
GARCIA AMIGO (ED). — (ES) Mr President, I agree with what Mrs Fontaine has said about the pro posal for a directive.
') Godkendelse af protokollen: se protokollen.
Exactly which professions would be affected?
Fontaine mest mulige fremtid vil overveje helt at afskaffe dette begreb.
Garcia Amigo guarantees that ensure they can be exercised freely and fully.
Det er hensigten med hr. Hermans ændringsforslag, der udgør en appel fra Parlamentet, hvorom vi kunne ønske at opnå bindende tilsagn.
For all these reasons, Mr President, my Group will be supporting the proposal for a directive as laid down in the common position.
I dag har vi fået forelagt en fælles holdning til be handling, og ordføreren kan på Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender og Borgernes Rettigheders vegne delagtiggøre Dem i de bemærkninger, der følger af en omhyggelig gennemgang deraf.
In a Community without frontiers, which is what we want, the important step forward represented by this directive cannot be taken without a comprehensive system that governs the conditions under which pro fessions may be practised in a Member State.
Vi har dog ikke ment, at disse ændringer berettigede til fornyet forelæggelse af sagen for Europa-Parlamentet.
Recognition of diplomas and qualifications is based on the principle of mutual trust between Member States, and this principle must be taken to its logical conlcusion.
For det andet har vi konstateret, at der i meget vidt omfang er taget hensyn til ændringsforslagene i vor udtalelse af 14. november 1985.
But it is also important to remember the mobility the people of Europe will have in future.
Det gælder for eksempel overholdelsen af de gældende faglige bestemmelser i værtslandet, appelretten, af læggelse af beretning for Europa-Parlamentet samt en række nærmere præciseringer af forskellige begreber.
Europe's cultural identity will be enhanced and enriched by the constant exchange of knowledge and experience that this mobility and the exercise of these rights will bring.
Det bedes Kommissionen venligst bekræfte over for os. Jeg takker Kommissionen for den betragtelige indsats, som den hart gjort for at blive færdig med dette direktiv.
We do not ignore the fact, however, that the text that we have before us is not, as it were, the best of all pos sible texts.
Følgelig fastholder jeg. at en ny høring af Parlamentet hverken er hensigtsmæssig eller nødvendig, 'hvilket også tidligere er blevet fremført af Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender. Vi til slutter os således forslaget til direktiv.
We believe the compensation arrangements that have been included are in principle balanced and appropriate, as a general rule giving the holder of qualifications — the applicant — the right to choose either option.
Med hensyn til det nye i den fælles holdning i forhold til den oprindelige tekst, er der to ting, som særligt har påkaldt sig Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender og Borgernes Rettigheders opmærksomhed.
It is to be hoped, Mr President, that the operation of these special arrangements will not allow new barriers to be erected.
Vi har dog i form af to ændringsforslag anmodet om at få redegjort for disse organisationsformer, navnlig hvad angår de forpligtelser, der følger af det ved direktivet indførte system.
This would be an outright and unacceptable breach of the principle of trust, and we there fore hope sincerely that it will not happen.
Jeg ønsker imidlertid at henlede opmærksomheden på eventuelle risici i forbindelse med den konkrete anvendelse af direktivforslaget.
All the same we want, however, to express certain criticisms, or at least to warn against certain breaches, as the report by the Committee on Legal Affairs also says, which endanger the principle of mutual trust: I refer particularly to the aptitude test.
Jeg tænker på mulig heden for misbrug i nogle stater i form af udstedelse af eksamensbeviser og kvalifikationsbeviser, der lig ner dem, der udstedes i andre lande, og på risikoen for, at betingelserne for at opnå disse eksamensbeviser kan være meget forskellige i de forskellige lande, hvilket også kunne give anledning til en form for misbrug. brug.
If the candidate, the person who moves to another Member State and wants to practise a profession there and claim validity for the professional qualifications he has acquired is not allowed freedom of choice, this can lend itself to excessive fiscalism, to a form of control by the States that is not clear and that puts at stake the fluid system of mutual recognition based on mutual trust that must be the philosophy underlying the application of the directive, as it was and still is the philosophy underlying its adoption.
Bortset herfra skal jeg på min gruppes vegne sige. at Parlamentet bør støtte direktivet, især ud fra tre overordnede betragtninger.
Although we do have certain reservations about the directive, by and large it deserves our support.
For det første fordi tids punktet for det indre markeds gennemførelse.
We also have great confidence in the future the system is bound to open up for young people, who will have a whole new range of opportunities for fulfilment in their personal and working lives.
1922. nærmer sig, hvormed der indføres fri etableringsret og ret til frit at udøve servicevirksomhed.
Measures such as this, coupled with the efforts being made to increase the number of people in higher education, justify new hope in 1992.
Men, kære kolleger, vor opmærksomhed skal navnlig rettes mod indførelsen af et nyt begreb i afsnittet om kompensationer: Egnethedsprøve.
MARQUES MENDES (LDR). — (PT) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, it is exactly two years since Parliament delivered its first opinion on the ini tial text of this proposal for a directive.
Når det drejer sig om at give ansøgeren valget mellem tilpasningskursus eller egnethedsprøve, så er vi indforstået dermed.
The Council's common position incorporates most of the amend ments proposed in that opinion and the basic principles it set out.
Men når der tales om, at værtslandet skal være berettiget til at påtvinge fællesskabsborgercn denne egnet hedsprøve for visse fags vedkommende, så må vi råbe vagt i gevær, idet vi anser det for at være et alvorligt brud på det princip om gensidig tillid, som lå til grund for det oprindelige direktiv.
LUCAS PIRES (PPE). — (PT) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, my only purpose in speaking in this debate is to support the rapporteur, my colleague Nicole Fontaine, who has already made all the points we consider to be important.
Det er netop det, der er spørgsmålet. Rådets formulering baner vejen for alskens vilkårlighed.
I say this to stress once again the central role Parliament must have in the construction of the people's Europe.
Og vilkårligheden vil uundgåeligt skabe en ulige situation for borgerne fra med lemsstaterne.
Parliament, Mr President, is the legitimate voice for the wishes and expectations of the Com munity's millions of citizens.
Europa-Parlamentet ønsker i det mindste, at denne undtagelses exceptionelle karakter nøje understreges. Det er formålet med hr. Miinch og hr. Van Raays ændringsforslag, som jeg ved nyder meget bred konsensus i Parlamentet.
What is at issue here is the creation of European citizenship, which is one of the most important demonstrations of trust between different societies.
Barzanti (COM). — (IT) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, den fælles holdning, som Rådet er nået frem til med hensyn til et direktiv af stor betydning, ikke kun med udsigt til den større integration, som vi vil få med det indre marked, som skal opbygges inden 1992. men især med henblik på en større komplementaritet og forenlighed mellem uddannelsessystemerne og den højere undervisning i hele Fællesskabet, er positiv.
We are pleased that our children will be able to be technical specialists, engineers or lawyers, or practise other professions, including those with other types of qualification, in any Community country. We welcome this broadening and this increase in scale, scope and flexibility, which is of vital importance for the emergence of a genuinely European generation.
Anerkendelsen af eksamensbeviser og kvalifikationer hviler på et princip af gensidig tillid medlemslandene imellem, og det haster med at føre dette princip ud i dets yderste konskevens.
the right to require language qualifications for a particular job but not for the profession as a whole.
Men det haster også med at understrege den store betydning, som bevægelighedsprincippet i fremtiden vil få for Europas borgere.
In this instance it is interesting to note the approach which has been adopted quite successfully under individual sectoral directives.
Den europæiske kulturelle identitet vil vinde i værdi og rigdom ved den stadige udveksling af viden og erfaring, som bliver mulig med bevægeligheden og an vendelsen af disse kriterier.
For example, in relation to doctors and dentists, migrants with those qualifications must be treated in the same way as a national and are consequently expected to have a sufficient command of the language to carry out their profession.
De fastsatte kompensationsmekanismer synes vi også i teorien er ligevægtige og den generelle ordning er tilpasset til at give erhvervsudøveren/kandidaten ret ten til at vælge blandt disse mekanismer.
The people's Europe and this European citizenship often face serious difficulties. Portuguese students who wish to take part in the Erasmus programme, for example, often feel that going to study at a European university is more like emigrating than just travelling.
Vi håber dog, hr. formand, at disse mekanismer og reglerne omkring dem ikke kommer til at udgøre nye hindringer.
For them Europe is a long way away and they are less well-off than other European students.
Skulle det ske, ville det være et utilgiveligt brud på dette tillidsprincip, og det tør vi end ikke tænke på.
We must therefore lessen and not increase the barriers to this European citizenship.
Selv om der i virkeligheden kan rejses visse forbehold over for direktivet, er det et faktum, at det i det store og hele fortjener vor støtte.
We therefore strongly support the amendments seek ing to restrict the derogation concerning aptitude tests to the legal profession in the strict sense.
Sådanne foranstaltninger sammen med bestræbelserne i retning af en udvidelse af samme ungdoms undervisning på de højere læreanstalter giver nyt håb for 1992- Europa.
We also support the amendment by Mr Herman, because of our con cern that European citizenship should be established.
Marques Mendes (LDR). — (PT) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, nøjagtig to år er gået, siden Europa-Parlamentet udtalte sig om den oprindelige udgave af dette forslag til direktiv.
I hope it will be possible to improve the system still further, by means of a directive on teachers and other professions, for example.
Det skal først understreges, at Rådets fælles holdning gik ind for en stor del af de foreslåede ændringer og for de grundprincipper, udtalelsen var baseret på.
I should like to finish by welcoming the progress represented by this common position, and by hoping that the Commission will assure us that it will accept our amendments.
Lucas Pires (PPE). — (PT) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, formålet med dette indlæg er i og for sig blot at slutte sig til ordføreren, fru Nicole Fontaine, der så udførligt har talt om emnet, og som har sagt præcis det, der for os var vigtigt at understrege.
VAYSSADE (S). — (FR) Mr President, the Socialists support the text that has been brought before us today for its second reading, and the proposed amendments to it. We have supported this text from the outset, in the belief that, if we are going to complete the single market by 1992, it is essential to depart from what I would call the tactic of vertical harmonization applied hitherto in favour of a horizontal system of mutual recognition of diplomas.
Parlamentet er jo det organ, der repræsenterer og er talerør for millioner af fællesskabsborgeres ønsker og forventninger.
I also wish to put it on record that we would like similar arrangements to be made for other diplomas and are particularly anxious to see rapid progress made on professional diplomas, where there seems to be a lot of work to be done.
Det, vi taler om her, er skabelse af en europæisk kulturel borgerret, hvilket er et af de vigtigste aspekter af tillid til alle samfund.
LEMASS (RDE). — Mr President, the mutual recognition of higher diplomas is a welcome step towards removing obstacles to the free movement of professionals within the Community.
En fælles opbygning er ikke blot en tilnærmelse af stater, det er en tilnærmelse af samfund og professioner, og vi ved alle. at i et frem tidigt samfund er integrationen af det kulturelle system og den gensidige tilpasning af erhvervsuddannelser måske vigtigere eller mindst lige så vigtig som en integration i det økonomiske system.
By reaching a common position on a general system for the recognition of higher diplomas, we can avoid the slow and tortuous negotiations which have been so much a feature of the sectoral directives where, for example, it took eight years for the directives on doctors to be adopted while architects had to wait 18 years. Clearly this type of delay is no longer acceptable or practical.
Men at anerkende disse rettigheder ved lov er ikke nok.
I thought this was a point worth making since Parliament is accused from time to time of being responsible for delays in progress towards the internal market.
Man må skabe regler og betingelser, der garanterer deres frie og fulde overholdelse.
This is one instance where we really have done what we had to do with all due speed.
Det er den udvidelse, vi har ventet på, det er den udvidede dimension i horisont, i råderum, i muligheder for at foretage sig
The wording in the Council's common position, referring to professions requiring knowledge of national law, is too loosely drawn in
Lucas Pires noget, som vi mener er fundamental til at skabe en kommende generation af ægte europæere.
This comes over and above what could be inferred from what is laid down by Article 52 of the EEC Treaty.
For dem er Europa et fjernt sted, deres økonomiske betingelser er ringere end andre europæiske studerendes, og derfor vil jeg i relation hertil gerne understrege, at det, vi skal gøre. er ikke forøge, men snarere formindske vanskelighederne ved at kunne nå til denne europæiske kulturelle borgerret.
I therefore think it necessary to revert to this concept of the legal professions, where, we agree, there are indeed specific problems.
hvilke sproglige kvalifikationer der er behov for. Eg nethedsprøven vil foregå på værtslandets sprog.
Finally, it is to be hoped that we shall see a satisfactory result to the report which the Commission will have to submit to Parliament when the system has been in application for five years.
Med lemslandenes arbejdsgivere vil bevare retten til at kræve sproglige kvalifikationer i forbindelse med en specifik stilling, men ikke for faget som helhed.
On the other hand, though, there is something which meets with serious reservations on our part.
I den ne forbindelse er det interessant at notere sig den løsning, man med ganske stor succes har valgt i direktiverne for de individuelle sektorer.
That is the new amendment about the inclusion of professional bodies and higher-education establishments in the decisionmaking processes, notwithstanding the Member States' undertaking to shoulder this task.
For læger og tandlæger gælder det for eksempel, at vandrende ar bejdstagere med disse kvalifikationer skal behandles på samme måde som landets egne statsborgere og derfor forventes at have et tilstrækkeligt kendskab til sproget til at kunne udøve deres profession.
Another amendment calls for people who have been through an aptitude test or adaptation period in one country not to be required systematically to repeat the process in each country where they might wish to practise.
Er dette ikke tilfældet, betragtes det som en disciplinær fejl.
This amendment is not to be interpreted too broadly, but it has to be borne in mind that some people will perhaps change countries on successive occasions, and they might find major obstacles in their way each time they do so.
Man overvejer at anvende denne løsning i forbindelse med det foreslåede generelle direktiv. Hele spørgsmålet om de sproglige kvalifikationer i forbin delse med dette nye direktiv må belyses nærmere.
The Member States should therefore give thought to the degree of confidence they are prepared to place in one another in a number of fields.
Derfor støtter vi altid de ændringsforslag, der går ind for, at kun erhverv af rent juridisk karakter er ude lukket fra egnethedsprøven.
Concerning the innovations by comparison with the initial text, we subscribe to the rapporteur's concern about the use of certain concepts that are very close such as 'diploma' and 'training diploma'.
Det er sigtet med hr. van Raay og hr. Munchs ændringsforslag, som vi bifalder.
We share his fear that they might harm the text from the point of view of its precision.
Vi støtter ligeledes den del af hr. Hermans ændringsforslag, der har at gøre med indførelse af en europæisk kulturel borgerret.
It should remain clear that the training undergone in third countries is that recognized by a Member State for the purpose of exercising a given professional activity.
Det andet spørgsmål vedrører anvendelsen af egnet hedsprøven og kompensationsmekanismens tilpasningsperiode.
We are also anxious to see freedom of movement introduced in a manner showing due regard for the status of the professions.
Hvem skal fastsætte regler for egnet hedsprøven, og hvilke mekanismer vil der være til at sikre, at eventuelle normforskelle mellem medlems landene ikke kommer til at udgøre endnu en hindring?
Members of the professions and their clients want to know where they stand. They need to know that certain standards of professional conduct are going to be observed.
Dette er så sandelig et meget væsentligt skridt for Europas borgere. re.
At any rate, it is positive that the aptitude test has been added to the formula for a period of adjustment, insofar as it presupposes greater flexibility in the migrant's options.
Jeg håber, vi kan forbedre systemet gennem et nyt direktiv, der for eksempel skal omhandle lærere og andre erhvervsgrene.
Once freedom of movement has been established, thought is going to have to be given to the scope for harmonization at a deeper level.
Jeg er glad for de fremskridt, denne fælles hodning har gjort mulige, og jeg vil til slut udtrykke håbet om, at Kommissionen vil forsikre os om, at den vil genoptage behandlingen af vore ændringsforslag.
I am thinking of certain ethical rules, for instance, in the legal professions, and I very much hope that the Community is going to address itself to these matters.
Vayssade (S). — (FR) Hr. formand, socialisterne støtter det i dag under andenbehandlingen forelagte forslag og de deri indeholdte ændringsforslag.
ESCUDERO LOPEZ (NI). — (ES) Mr President, nearly three years ago this Parliament drew up a report in the first reading on the Commission's proposal to Council concerning the directive on the recognition of higher-education diplomas.
Vi har støttet dette forslag lige fra begyndelsen, idet vi me ner, at det er væsentligt, at man med henblik på gen nemførelsen af et stort marked i 1992, om jeg så må sige, ændrer den hidtil fulgte vertikale harmoniseringspolitik for at bevæge sig henimod et horisontalt system for gensidig anerkendelse af eksamensbeviser.
The fact that it was adopted unanimously and that Parliament's Committee on Legal Affairs also gave its unanimous support to the common position, with min imal changes, demonstrates that we have now found an acceptable solution in a field which has given rise to formidable problems over many years and in many countries.
Vi begynder med eksamensbeviser for erhvervskompetencegivende videregående uddannelser af mindst tre års varighed.
The Council's position was recently established and then looked at by the corresponding parliamentary committees.
Sådanne forsinkelser er helt klart ikke længere acceptable eller praktisk mulige.
Denmark, for one, had serious misgivings.