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Jeg tror derfor, at der burde afholdes en forhandling om disse spørgsmål: der er tale om en alvorlig katastrofe, som vi håber at kunne holde i ave, blandt andet med hjælp fra Fællesskabet; men vi ville gerne diskutere det her i salen.
GIL-ROBLES GIL-DELGADO (PPE), rapporteur. — (ES) Mr President, the three requests on this evening's agenda basically raise three different aspects of one single problem, which will allow me to be as brief as possible in presenting the relevant reports.
Formanden. — Fru Magnani Noya, jeg gør opmærk som på, at det ikke kun er de italienske kyster, der berøres direkte af disse forureningsproblemer, men
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Der må i forbindelse med ulykkerne gennemføres seriøse undersøgelser, navnlig med henblik på forebyggende foranstaltninger.
In addition there is certainly also a need in both the cases in question to start by consulting the national authorities, because there are also national safety rules in operation.
Imidlertid må der i de nævnte tilfælde først stilles spørgsmål til de nationale myndigheder, da der også findes nationale sikkerhedsforskrifter.
When we consider the way in which the Member to whom the request relates made use of this right, we see that none of the expressions is in itself offensive or exceeds the legitimate level of criticism of legal decisions.
De nationale bestemmelser er i begge tilfælde grundlaget for, hvad Kommissionen kan foretage sig.
These two reasons would be enough for us to say, as we recommend, that the request should be refused.
Derfor er Kommissionen indstillet på at afgive en redegørelse.
Mr Stamoulis, as a lawyer, expressed opinions on how a court of law operates.
Men så længe de nationale myndigheder ikke har afsluttet deres undersøgelse og definitivt har meddelt, hvad der i de to pågældende tilfælde var i vejen, kan vi ikke drage nogen konklusioner.
If these opinions were regarded as an offence or if they were actionable in some way, we would be faced with an unacceptable limitation of all freedom of expression, but also a limitation of the role of defence counsel.
Stewart (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, det er udmærket at sige, at vi må sikre, at det ikke gentager sig i fremtiden. Men hver gang det sker, siger vi det samme.
All Mr Pannella and Mr Taradash did was disclose their — widely shared — views on the activities of some journalists.
Aglietta (V). — (IT) Hr. formand, jeg vil blot stille et spørgsmål for at få klarhed. Jeg mente, at koordinatorerne for uopsættelige spørgsmål havde valgt at sætte skibsulykker ind under katastrofer.
But what is more, Mr President, we are surprised that in this case, concerning proceedings before a court, the court in question does not appear to have informed the Member, nor is it stated anywhere that he was informed, that in the court's opinion he was overstep ping his right of freedom to defend himself, but that it preferred to let him run the full course and only when he had finished did it begin ex post facto penal proceed ings.
Nu hører jeg fra Dem, at det ikke er tilfældet. Der er også noget andet, jeg gerne vil vide: Hvorledes gør jeg opmærksom på mig selv, når jeg beder om ordet, idet det tager næsten en halv time at få det?
This leads one to suspect that, apart from the right of any court to enforce order in the administration of justice, there are different motives which must not be in any way supported or defended by the European Parliament.
Formanden. — For så vidt angår det første emne har koordinatorerne ganske vist fremsat det omtalte forslag, men det er ikke dem, der træffer afgørelsen. sen.
For this third reasonal, no less than for the first two, the rapporteur proposes that the request, in this case concerning Mr Stamoulis, should be refused, just as I shall be proposing in the case of the two following requests.
Dette er ikke et spørgsmål, der skal behandles under debatten om uopsættelige spørgsmål, det drejer sig derimod om et grundlæggende spørgsmål, der bør behandles med den respekt, det fortjener.
In voting for the three Gil-Robles reports, that is to say against the waiving of our three colleagues' immunity, we seek to strike a further blow in the battle to uphold freedom of expression.
Speciale (GUE). — (IT) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne gentage, at en kort forhandling ville være velkommen. Jeg tror, at det ville, være interessant, hvis Kommissionen afgav en erklæring, således at man kan se betydningen af emnet, og også for at vide, hvad Kommissionen vil gøre for at hjælpe Europa-Parlamentets fremtidige udvalgsarbejde. Hvis vi kunne få dette vigtige punkt belyst, ville det bidrage til hele diskussionen.
VECCHI (GUE). — (IT) As the rapporteur Mr Gil-Robles has rightly pointed out, the three requests for the waiving of parliamentary immunity which we are looking at today are very similar and for this reason I shall confine myself, on behalf of the Group for the European Unitarian Left, to speaking just once on all three dossiers.
Coimbra Martins (S). — (PT) Hr. formand, sondringen mellem »uopsætteligt spørgsmål« og »essentielt spørgsmål« forekommer mig ikke at være særlig hensigtsmæssig, da vi i realiteten har at gøre med et uopsætteligt spørgsmål, der indebærer et essentielt spørgsmål.
DILLEN (DR). — (NL) Mr President, parliamentary immunity is a little bit like Parliament's Rules of Procedure.
Mange italienske medlem mer har taget ordet i denne sag, men spørgsmålet går langt ud over de italienske medlemmers og Italiens interesseområder.
Both are designed to safeguard and protect the activities of the individual member of Parliament.
Problemet vedrører hele Middelhavsområdet som højrisiko-område.
I refer to his political activities both inside and outside the House.
Vi må benytte denne lejlighed og ikke udsætte spørgsmålet. I forbindelse med risikoberegningerne for Middel havsområdet sætter vi tal på udgifterne vedrørende
It ought to be part of professional ethics, indeed a point of honour, for the majority groups in particular to do everything possible gallantly to offer the members of minority groups and the non-attached members their protection.
Formanden. — Jeg må gentage, hvad jeg allerede har sagt, hr. Speciale.
What is the issue here ?
I øjeblikket er det de italienske myndigheder, der varetager efterforskningsarbejdet i forbindelse med katastrofen.
In all three cases our fellow-members Stamoulis, Taradash and Pannella are substantially accused of
Jeg ved ikke, om de har henvendt sig til Kommissionen, men ifølge subsidiaritetsprincippet må de forskellige parters arbejdsområder respekteres.
But what do we find ? We find in the present Parliament that an unpleasant trend is gaining ground not only as regards the Rules of Procedure but as regards par liamentary immunity as well, a trend which is fatally destructive of the value, the dignity and above all the credibility of Parliament in general and of the majority groups in particular.
Coimbra Martins medlemmet om, at han efter domstolens mening havde overskredet de lovlige grænser for retten til forsvar; domstolen lod ham derimod løbe linen ud for derefter at indlede en strafferetlig proces.
DILLEN becomes criminal libel and why should an MEP be immune from such an investigation any more than a councillor, or any ordinary citizen for that matter?
selve sammenstødene og grundstødningerne, men vi har ingen tal for, hvad de økologiske katastrofer koster.
I support the retention of privilege for what is said in Parliament.
Og vi står rent faktisk over for en omfat­tende økologisk katastrofe.
Thereafter a parliamentarian should be protected from harassment or victimization in the course of discharging his or her duties but should not have the blanket immunity which this House provides.
Formanden. — Jeg minder Dem om, at de kan indgive en indsigelse til debatten om aktuelle og uopsættelige spørgsmål, hvilket jeg også har gjort de øvrige medlemmer opmærksom på. ')
SCHODRUCH (DR). — (DE) Mr President, the words of the honourable member who has just spoken show how widespread this false impression of what immunity means is, and quite often the criterion for granting immunity has been defined on the basis of individual cases.
Dette giver anledning til mistanke om, at der er tale om andre motiver end enhver domstols ret til at sørge for orden i retssalen, motiver, der på ingen måde bør beskyttes eller forsvares af Europa­Parla­mentet.
In particular he cannot give up his immunity because the protection of immunity is a safeguard for Parliament, so that Parliament's work cannot be interfered with from outside. Above all it is a safeguard for Parliament against politically motivated judicial attacks.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok.
The climate in France whereby freedom of expression is increasingly gagged has evidently infected the members of the left in Strasbourg.
A3­66/91) af Gil­Robles for Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlemmernes Immunitet om anmodning om ophævelse af Ioannis Stamoulis' parlamentariske immunitet.
So we find that those who shout loudest about tolerance, broad-mindedness and openness are in fact proving themselves intolerant, narrow-minded and sectarian.
Gil-Robles Gil-Delgado (PPE), ordfører. — (ES) Hr. formand, de tre anmodninger om ophævelse af et medlems parlamentariske immunitet, der er opført på dagsordenen for i dag, rejser fundamentalt det samme problem under tre forskellige facetter, hvilket gør det muligt for mig at gøre forelæggelsen af de pågældende betænkninger yderst kort.
We thus reject the three requests for parliamentary immunity to be waived, and in conclusion I would add with some pride that on the basis of this stand the pre-war novel by the leftist Dutch writer Theun de Vries 'Freedom wears red' can and should now be renamed 'Freedom wears the colours of the right'.
Vecchi (GUE). — (IT) Som ordføreren, hr. Gil­Robles rigtigt har fremhævet, ligner de tre anmod­ninger om ophævelse af parlamentarisk immunitet, som vi behandler i dag, hinanden, og derfor vil jeg nøjes med at komme med et enkelt indlæg om alle tre dossiers på vegne af Gruppen for Den Samlede Europæiske Venstrefløj.
For this reason — and previous Minutes should show as much — we have always acknowledged the importance of immunity and voted to block any outside attempts to interfere with Parliament's work. We ourselves have the power to decide here, and the decisions reached by our Committee on Immunity are thus the right ones.
I hr. Stamoulis' tilfælde vedrører denne ret desuden udøvelsen af et af de vigtigste eksempler på retten til ytringsfrihed, nemlig retten til forsvar.
This is especially absurd in the case of Mr Stamoulis.
Retten til forsvar og ytringsfrihed under udøvelsen af hvervet som forsvarsadvokat vedrører rettigheder, der ikke er mindre væsentlige end selve udtryksfriheden, nem­lig retten til en effektiv retsbeskyttelse.
Mr Stamoulis is certainly no friend of our group, but I say quite emphatically that here too we have a case of abuse on the part of the authorities aimed at interfering with Parliament's work and doing the dirty on Mr Stamoulis.
Først og fremmest vil vi takke hr. Gil­Robles for på strålende vis at have forstået, hvad der er kernen i alle tre sager, og for at have fortolket den enstem­mige indstilling i Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, som i alle tre tilfælde afviser anmodningen om ophævelse.
CAUDRON (S). — (FR) Mr President, during the last partsession I expressed the wish that Parliament should be kept regularly informed about what happens after a member's parliamentary immunity has been waived.
Hvad står vi overfor?
The case of Mr Le Pen has been mentioned again.
I alle tre tilfælde med kollegerne Stamoulis og Taradash og Pannella konstaterer man i det store hele, at der er tale om udtryk, som blev betragtet som injurióse over for enkeltpersoner eller institutioner.
I can tell honourable members that Mr Le Pen has been found guilty on two occasions following the waiving of his parliamentary immunity, which we granted on the basis of details about concentration camps and his pun about the 'Durafour crematorium'.
Nu har et af de grundlæggende kriterier, som Parlamentet altid konsekvent har overholdt i sager om immunitet, været at beskytte så fuldstændigt og absolut som muligt egne medlemmers talefrihed som garanti og betingelse for Parlamentets egen uafhængighed.
In order to avoid the kind of comments which have just been made I should like Parliament to be regularly informed of the judicial measures taken after parliamentary immunity is waived.
De to ovennævnte grunde ville i sig selv være tilstrækkelige til at afvise anmod­ningen om ophævelse af medlemmets parlamentari­ske immunitet.
How many times do we as lawyers, acting in the interests of our client, have to attack the state and its apparatus for failing to stick to the law !
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(Parliament immunity)
Hr. Stamoulis har som advokat udtrykt sin mening om arbejdsgangen i en domstol.
DE ROSSA (CG). — Mr President, I am afraid I disagree entirely with the whole question of immunity for Members of the European Parliament.
Hvis disse meninger blev betragtet som en forbrydelse og retsforfulgt på
I have no ill will at all towards the three people concerned in these cases.
Vecchi nogen vis, ville vi stå over for en uacceptabl begrænsning af enhver udtryksfrihed, men også af forsvarsadvokatens funktion.
PRESIDENT munities, on the request for the parliamentary immunity of Mr Pannella to be waived.
I alle tre tilfælde findes der endelig også grund til at tale om fumus persecutionis mod hr. Stamoulis, men også mod hr. Taradash og hr. Pannella.
B3-67/91) by Mr Gil-Robles on behalf of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities on the request for the parliamentary immunity of Mr Taradash to be waived.
synethed og sekterisme.
(Parliament immunity)
For venstrefløjen er den politisk anderledes tænkende ikke længere en mod stander, men en fjende, over for hvem man ikke længere behøver være høflig eller spille fair play, og som skal tilintetgøres med alle midler.
We now come to the report (Doc. A3-67/91) by Mr Gil-Robles, on behalf of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities, on the request for the parliamentary immunity of Mr Taradash to be waived.
Denne betænkelige handlemåde, dette monopol under lavmålet overlader vi som højregruppe gerne til venstrefløjen.
GIL-ROBLES GIL-DELGADO (PPE), rapporteur. — (ES) Mr President, I can be still more brief with regard to this request, because this case is basically the same as Mr Pannella's, with the only difference that when Mr Taradash made the statements charged against him, he was not yet a Member of Parliament nut just n journalist.
Vi indtager den holdning, at også den politiske modstander fuldt ud skal have og beholde taleret og politisk frihed.
As a result of his work as a journalist he enjoyed a right of criticism in respect of anyone managing a public medium of communication, who is logically open to criticism as long as it does not exceed the legitimate scope of the right of self-expression.
For os højreorienterede skal enhver politiker her og andre steder, også den venstreorienterede politiker, beskyttes og værnes om både af forretningsordenen og måske endnu mere af den parlamentariske immunitet.
None of the expressions is offensive or reflects upon the honour of the person occupying that public position, since they amount to assessments of his success in performing his duties.
Derfor forkaster vi de tre anmodninger om ophævelse af den parlamentariske immunitet, og til sidst tilføjer jeg stolt, at denne holdning gerne må få os til at beslutte, at titlen på den venstreorienterede nederlandske forfatter Theun de Vries' førkrigsroman »Friheden er klædt i rødt« i dag må og skal lyde »Friheden er klædt som højreorienteret«. orienteret«.
If no criticism can be allowed of anyone in charge of an element of the public media, which may or may not be successfully run, we should be reducing the freedom of Members of Parliament much below what would be tolerable as regards the freedom of any citizen.
Tre forskellige sager, tre kolleger, to lande, forskel lige paragraffer i straffeloven, men efter vor mening blot en stor modsigelse: Det at der i demokratiske lande eksisterer og misbruges arkaiske og autoritære regler, som bidrager til at begrænse borgernes civile og politiske rettigheder.
GIL-ROBLES GIL-DELGADO (PPE), rapporteur. — (ES) Mr President, I shall be very brief, since the same criteria are involved, namely to what extent the principle of immunity must be used to preserve the freedom and independence of Members.
Ved at stemme for de tre Gil-Robles-betænkninger, dvs. imod ophævelsen af vore kollegers immunitet, vil vi give endnu et bidrag til kampen for forsvaret af udtryksfriheden.
The remarks made by previous speakers with regard to the first request make it unnecessary for me to tire the Assembly with technical explanations which have been brilliantly given — more brilliant than I could have made them myself.
Begge er meget mere end blot en formalitet.
PRESIDENT. — The debate is closed.
Caudron (S). — (FR) Hr. formand, i sidste mødeperiode gav jeg udtryk for det ønske, at Parlamentet systematisk informeres om resultaterne af ophævelser af parlamentarisk immunitet.
PRESIDENT. — The next item is the recommendation for a second reading (Doc.
Jeg vil gerne meddele kollegerne, at hr. Le Pen er blevet dømt i to omgange efter de to ophævelser af den parlamentariske immunitet, som vi stemte for i forbindelse med beskrivelsen af koncentrationslejrene og i forbindelse med ordspillet »Durafour crématoire«.
C3-11/ 91 — SYN 233) established by the Council with the view to the adoption of a directive amending Directive 89/392/EEC on the approximation of the laws of Member States relating to machinery. {Rapporteur: Mr Christiansen)
De Rossa (CG). — (EN) Hr. formand, jer er bange for, at jeg er helt uenig i hele spørgsmålet om immunitet for medlemmer af Europa-Parlamentet.
In this case, Mr President, we think Mr Pannella's independence must be safeguarded.
Ofte nu om dage læser man, at medlemmerne er elitære og uden forståelse for Fællesskabets almindelige borgeres interesser.
It is a question of criticism by a politician of a journalist in his journalistic work.
Men det er ikke det det drejer sig om.
The converse must also hold good.
Det kompetente udvalg anbefaler enstemmig afvisning i alle tre tilfælde, fordi medlem merne udøvede deres udtryksfrihed.
No group in society needs to have a special dispensation, and in this case it will be seen that the expressions used are not offensive and do not reflect on anyone's honour.
At beskytte udtryksfriheden er fint, men hvem ud over en dom stol kan beslutte, om der er tale om kriminel bagvaskelse, og hvorfor skulle et medlem af Europa-Parlamentet være immun fra sådan en undersøgelse i højere grad end en rådsmand eller en almindelig borger for den sags skyld?
A newspaper may or may not be partisan. The fact that it has leanings in one direction or another is not dishonourable or insulting towards the line pursued by the person editing the paper.
Vi konstaterer, at der i denne valgperiode i Europa-Parlamentet både hvad angår forretningsordenen og hvad angår den parlamentariske immunitet finder en uheldig udvikling sted, en udvikling, som er skæbnesvanger og ødelæggende for den værdi, værdighed og frem for alt troværdighed, som Parlamentet i al almindelig hed og flertalsgrupperne i særdeleshed har.
And it also thought, Mr President, that perhaps we should not be having to concern ourselves with such a large number of requests if at the appropriate time the Council had heeded Parliament's recommendation to define the rules relating to Members of the European Parliament more strictly, more uniformly and more completely.
Ven strefløjen manipulerer med og former forretningsordenen for at bruge og misbruge den som et politisk våben mod modstanderen.
In that case we should not have to face constant requests to waive immunity for very varied reasons, but all of them reflecting situations which, looked at all round, would no doubt not lead to such requests.
Vi har allerede måttet konstatere, at det samme gælder for spørgsmålet, om den parlamentariske immunitet skal ophæves eller ej.
So, taking into account too this general consideration, which has repeatedly been maintained in the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, I end by proposing that, as in the previous case, the request should be rejected.
Klimaet for den voksende undertrykkelse af ytringsfriheden i Frankrig har åbenbart i allerhøjeste grad opmuntret venstrefløjen i Strasbourg.
It is very regrettable and disappointing that the Commission and the Council have fallen short of their own political objectives with regard to the inauguration of the internal market on 1 January 1993.
Således konstaterer vi, at de, som råber højest om tolerance, fordomsfrihed og åbenhed, i virkeligheden udviser intolerance, snæver-
It is also discomforting to note that the agreement we entered into when we finalized the machinery Directive in July 1989, according to which these rules
Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlemmernes Immunitet om anmodning om ophævelse af Marco Pannellas parlamentariske immunitet.
health and safety, and that there seemed to be no need to invoke the Directive's safety clause or the environ mental guarantee provided by the Single European Act.
Schodruch (DR). — (DE) Hr. formand, hr. de Ros sas indlæg viser, at et forkert indtryk af, hvad immunitet betyder, er vidt udbredt, og det er alle rede flere gange i forbindelse med enkelttilfælde blevet sagt, hvorfor der skal gives immunitet.
That was only a year and a half ago, and now we are being asked to agree to the postponement of entry into force for three years, i.e. three years during which countries will be free to apply national standards within their own territories.
Medlemmet kan ikke selv gøre hver ken til eller fra.
We will not be parties to this.
Gil-Robles Gil-Delgado (PPE), ordfører. — (ES) Hr. formand, mit indlæg bliver meget kort, eftersom vi har at gøre med det samme spørgsmål som før, nemlig spørgsmålet om i hvilken udstrækning princippet om parlamentarisk immunitet tjener til at beskytte medlemmernes frihed og uafhængighed.
At all events we reject these neo-protectionist tendencies, which are emerging increasingly clearly, even before a Community market without internal frontiers has come into operation.
De foregående taleres indlæg i forbindelse med behandlingen af den første anmodning om ophævelse af et medlems parlamentariske immunitet fritager mig for at trætte forsamlingen med tekniske forklaringer, idet andre talere har givet bedre forklaringer, end jeg selv ville have været i stand til.
We stick firmly to the principle of eliminating barriers of national advantage and of creating a common and open home market of 330 million EC citizens with effect from 1 January 1993, regulated only by common standards at a high level which will guarantee that products produced by firms, handled by workers and supplied to consumers are sound and healthy.
Jeg har kun tilbage at takke medlemmerne for deres støtte i forbindelse med den allerede behandlede sag, og nogle har på forhånd meddelt, at de også vil støtte den foreliggende. gende.
Mr Bangemann, we want the demands of clarity and logical consistency to be satisfied in our work.
Navnlig kan han heller ikke give afkald på sin immunitet, fordi immunitetsbeskyttelsen er en beskyttelse for Parlamentet med henblik på, at Par lamentets arbejdsmøde ikke begrænses udefra.
So spare us any repetition here today of the claim that postponement of the entry into force of the machinery Directive is due to a major delay in the standardization work.