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Tomlinson (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, Den Socialistiske Gruppe støtter fuldt ud hr. von der Vrings udtalelser på Budgetudvalgets vegne.
BONTEMPI (GUE). — (IT) Mr President, it has been calculated that in 1989 the value of sales of cocaine, heroin and cannabis in Member States of the Community alone amounted to one hundred and twentytwo thousand million dollars, fifty — seventy percent of which was made available for laundering.
Må jeg imidlertid endnu en gang komme ind på den bemærkning, hr. Langes kom med, og næstformand Bange manns svar, hvor han sagde, at Kommissionen eller Kommissionens formand ikke talte i generelle ven dinger, men i konkrete vendinger om om et konkret tilfælde.
INGLEWOOD, The Lord (ED). — Mr President, as Mr Hoon has pointed out, the integration of the financial services system in the single market is part of the globalization of the financial world. This should and will bring benefits to the consumer all round the globe and as such we welcome it.
Det er stadig ingen undskyldning for, hvad der blev sagt.
The instruments building that market are also new tools in the hand of the criminal.
Det, vi helt klart siger til Kommissionen, er, at også i dette konkrete tilfælde var hr. Delors' udtalelse forkert.
In this directive we are looking for balance and it is that which is determining our general attitude towards the amendments.
Vi fortolker derfor hans bemærkninger i formiddag som en undskyld ning fra Kommissionen.
In the meantime I note with some satisfaction that we are arriving at this common position.
Hvis vi virkelig ønsker at tale om, hvad der har forsinket fødevarehjælpen, så lad os for eksempel se på alle omstændighederne og sige, at vi stadig venter på enkeltheder i Kommissionens forslag om, hvad det er nødvendigt at gøre for at råde bod på den tragiske situation i Afrika.
Of course, I am not entirely satisfied. I am not satisfied because, for example, it seems to me that still retaining the limit imposed by Community laws in regard to the penal regulations falls short of what is required.
Men hr. von der Vring taler i formiddag konkret om situationen vedrørende kurderne, og Budgetudvalget gør alt, hvad der står i dets magt — og det samme gør forsamlingen — for at sikre den hurtigste reaktion.
It is true that we do have these powers, and it is true that this is a matter for individual States, but it is also true that, in creating a People's Europe, a Europe that is organised economically and socially in an integrated manner, these problems will sooner or later arise, both in regard to the rights of individuals and also in exceptional cases such as these, where the rules are laid down in order to ensure the clean functioning of the market.
— enten det drejede sig om hjælp i Golfen eller til Ungarn eller Bulgarien — altid sørget for, at hjælpen hurtigst muligt blev stillet til rådighed, og at den blev ydet i større omfang, end Rådet eller Kommissionen havde foreslået.
BANDRES MOLET (V). — (ES) Mr President, our group will support the recommendation for a second reading of the Council's common position with a view to the adoption of a directive on preventing use of the financial system for money laundering.
Jeg er en smule vred på hr. Delors, fordi han ikke har informeret statscheferne korrekt om Parlamentets indstilling.
We really do need strictness in order to help the clean market : we cannot only remain dirigistes.
Bangemann, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (DE) Hr. formand, naturligvis er det en selvfølge, at en udtalelse, der har en kritisk undertone, giver genlyd.
GRUND (DR). — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, the positions and recommendations before us concerning the prevention of the use of the financial system for the purpose of money laundering are undoubtedly among the most explosive documents that
Men på den anden side kan jeg forsikre Parlamentet om, at hr. Delors ikke har udtalt sig i generelle vendinger, men at han sigtede på den ene episode, som også hr. von der Vring nævnte, og som sikkert var en misforståelse, for Parlamentet sagde dengang
MORETTI (ARC). — (IT) Mr President, I must unfortunately comment on the slowness and lack of interest of the Commission in regard to the problems that exist in regard to the laundering of dirty money in the Member States of the Community. It is a slowness that obviously seems to be welcomed by the representatives of certain States.
— og jeg skal slet ikke lægge mig fast på, ud fra hvilke overvejelser det skete: »Nej, vi kan ikke acceptere denne uopsættelige behandling.«
What is at stake here is the individual's freedom to take decisions, the privacy of the manin the street and his confidence in the security of banking secrecy.
Den eneste tillægsbemærkning, jeg gerne vil komme med til hr. von der Vrings, er, at den mekanisme, hvormed denne hjælp stilles til rådighed, er en intern overførsel inden for kapitel 8, foretaget af Kommissionen, og vi skal så supplere disse budgetkonti op, når revisionen af det finansielle overslag har fundet sted.
Way back in 1980 the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe recommended the adoption, at European level, of a serious commitment in the fight against the laundering of dirty money, but the Commission is only now, after ten years' delay, undertaking to adopt pertinent measures on the subject of penal law for these crimes.
Jeg vil gerne lige så offentligt advare Rådet om, at hvis det i dette tilfælde lægger den onde tro for dagen, som det viste, sidste gang vi stillede humanitær hjælp til rådighed fra budgettet og ventede på en revision af det finansielle overslag for at supplere det op igen, vil der opstå alvorlige interinstitutionelle problemer.
Recitals 6 and 6a and Articles 3, 5 and 6 in particular will not only require the Member States' credit and financial institutions to disclose the identity of their clients but also extend this requirement to nonCommunity countries, which amounts to massive interference in their sovereign rights.
Jeg tror ikke, at Rådet i dette tilfælde vil lægge den onde tro fra sidste gang for dagen, men jeg troede heller ikke, den ville gøre det ved den foregående lejlighed, da den prøvede at plyndre andre dele af Parlamentets budget ved ikke at indfri det, den havde lovet.
In addition, where 15,000 ECU or, if Mr Hoon has his way, 10,000 ECU is deposited, withdrawn or transfer red from one account to another, the name of the client is to be recorded or even reported to government monitoring authorities by informers employed by the banks. This is intolerably petty.
Jeg er sikker på, at den ikke vil gøre det ved denne lejlighed, men hvis den gør det, vil der blive særdeles alvorlige vanskeligheder.
So all this provision is really designed to do is to make the citizen's financial activities immediately accessible to Big Brother, the state, on the computer, and the client will have no idea it is going on.
Det tror jeg vi nu har afklaret tilstrækkeligt, og jeg kan forsikre Parlamentet, at Kommissionens formand overhovedet ikke nærer nogen tvivl om Parlamentets beredvillighed til at støtte Kommissionen i disse spørgsmål.
Mr Hoon's bizarre proposal that the deposit of cash in certain countries should be monitored should also be seen in this light, seeing that there is to be free movement of people and the frontier crossing points are crowded.
Von der Vring (S), formand for Budgetudvalget. — (DE) Hr. formand, tillad mig en bemærkning for at afslutte dette kedelige tema konstruktivt: Dengang erklærede Rådet efterfølgende over for os, at det havde anmodet om uopsættelig forhandling, for at Parlamentet kunne afvise det.
COONEY (PPE). — Mr President, this directive is of course very welcome, and I am sure it will be gladly received in every Member State, because it provides an invaluable weapon in the fight against crime, par ticularly crime based on drug trafficking and terrorism, modern terrorism also funding its coffers through sophisticated financial transactions.
Afstemningen om tirsdagen om anmodninger om uopsættelig forhandling fra Rådet og Kommissionen tjener til undersøgelse af spørgsmålet om, hvorvidt de er sagligt
I think everybody will welcome it, even though it marks a significant break with the longstanding tradition of confidentiality, if not secrecy, in the banking world.
Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender og Borgernes Ret tigheder vedrørende fælles holdning fastlagt af Rådet med henblik på vedtagelse af et direktiv om forebyggende foranstaltninger mod anvendelse af det finansielle system til hvidvaskning af penge (Ordfører: Hoon).
Or will the standard of proof be that those funds represent the proceeds of crime beyond any reasonable doubt? Two very different standards of proof, but something that could be of critical importance in deciding whether the directive is going to be as effective as we need it to be.
Vor forretningsorden indeholder en bestemmelse om, at uopsættelig forhandling skal begrundes sag ligt, nemlig med at der er fare på færde.
sanctions. For that reason I think that among other things, the amendment to Article 4, 2a new, which stipulates the confiscation of income derived from criminal activities, is along the right lines.
Det betyder, at kollegerne, inden de tirsdag formiddag skal stemme, får at vide: Ja, I skal nu holde jeres møde, for ellers er der noget, der går galt.
Needless to say, the need for an adequate system incorporating draconian sanctions should not produce dysfunctions in the banking system.
Hoon (S), ordfører. — (EN) Hr. formand, det foreslåede direktiv om hvidvaskning af penge er et vigtigt bidrag til ordningen af Europas finansielle enhedsmarked.
My personal view is that the standard of proof should be based on the balance of probabilities, a lesser standard than one requiring proof beyond reasonable doubt.
Når man fejer restriktioner for kapitalbevægelser væk, hvilket 1992 nødvendigvis med fører, er det vigtigt ikke at skabe et marked, der er åbent og frit for, at kriminelle kan udnytte det til egne formål.
The latter would probably result in confiscation being a rare exception, rather than the norm where the proceeds were clearly and generally known to be the proceeds of crime.
Det er derfor afgørende vigtigt at have en lovgivning som den, Kommissionen har foreslået med ordninger på det europæiske plan.
I mention that to illustrate the practical difficulties that will face Member States, and I hope that these practical difficulties will not lead to a delay in the implementation of the directive.
Jeg beder altså — og det går stadig i Kommissionens retning — om et minimum af begrundelse i fremtiden for, hvorfor der faktisk er tale om uopsættelig hed, for så vil vi aldrig gøre nogen som helst knuder.
ZAVVOS (PPE). — (GR) Mr President, I have the opportunity to congratulate, first of all the Commission on its proposal, and especially the good offices of the Commissioner responsible, Sir Leon Brittan, as well as the Council concerning its common position.
Verbeek (V). — (NL) Hr. formand, det drejer sig om 150 mio. ECU; det er 3 FF pr. EF-borger, og det er naturligvis intet.
BRITTAN, Sir Leon, Vice-President of the Commission. — Mr President, I would like first of all to thank the Parliament and in particular the rapporteur, Mr Hoon, for the rapid and efficient manner in which the recommendation on this common position has been prepared and the very business-like way in which the two parliamentary committees have completed their work.
Til den krig, der blev ført, blev der uden videre umiddelbart stillet 45 mia. dollar til rådighed.
I think that completely answers the suggestion of Mr Moretti that there has been any dragging of feet.
Det, som Parlamentet egentlig bør tale om i morgen, er, hvad denne krig har udløst, hvad der egentlig er sket, da også EF-lande bragte Hussein til magten med deres våbenleverancer.
I am grateful for the kind remarks that have been made, particularly about the Commission services in this respect.
Der er mange andre grunde til at støtte disse forslag, men dem forelagde jeg ret detaljeret ved en tidligere lejlighed, og jeg agter derfor ikke at gentage de argumenter, jeg fremsatte under debatten ved første behandlingen.
There has been a very broad welcome for this directive, except from Mrs Grund, and I would only say to her that of course it is the case that a directive of this kind does involve to an extent an intrusion into matters that have hitherto been kept confidential.
Men jeg skal være den første til at erkende, at der gjort betydelig fremgang med den fælles holdning, specielt for så vidt angår de fællesskabslande, der kun har lidt eller ingen lovgivning om denne ret vanskelige sag.
It is a change in that respect but of course it also, therefore, has to involve limitations on the breach of confidentiality with figures and limits which are inevitably arbitrary.
Blot (DR). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne på min gruppes vegne tage ordet om denne kurdiske affære; jeg skal gøre det meget kort. Jeg skal blot sige ét ord.
The proposed directive on money laundering which we are debating today is extremely important, both in the fight against the drug trade and in preserving the reputation and stability of banking systems in the European Community.
Hvad angår proceduren, deler jeg fuldt ud hr. von der Vrings synspunkt vedrørende den lidt skødesløse måde, som Rådet har forholdt sig på i denne sag.
For that reason, it is in my opinion an important supplement of the single monetary-economic market which we all wish to see completed in 1992.
Om selve sagen vil jeg gerne sige, at Kommissionen mig bekendt ikke er en organisation af militær art, og at det, der netop er sket i de regioner, der er befolket af kurder, er det direkte resultat af en krigsindsats, der ikke blev igangsat af et organ i Fællesskabet, eftersom Fællesskabet ikke har kompetence i en sådan sag, og at hvis nogen skal betale for følgerne af denne krig for de etniske kurdiske befolkningsdele, så skal det være de krigs førende og efter min mening først amerikanerne, længe før det skal være Det Europæiske Fællesskab.
One need only consider the news of the last few days in the press, and the huge scale of scandals such as the BCCI one in which the relevant American authorities and authorities in other European countries are involved, to grasp how urgently important it is to put in hand the measure we are debating. For that reason, I believe that the date of its implementation by the Member States should be as early as possible, namely January 1st 1992.
Jeg for min del ønsker derfor, at Det Europæiske Fællesskab vender sig mod De Forenede Stater for at få dem til at betale sådanne udgifter.
I know that there are governments, Member States such as my own, which will implement this directive as soon as the Council of Ministers adopts it.
Da den fælles holdning udelader en række af Parlamentets ændringsforslag, enedes Udvalget om Ret lige Anliggender om at lægge de vigtigste af disse frem til yderligere overvejelse, først og fremmest som måske det vigtigste, for så vidt angår mig selv personlig, dem, der drejer sig om definitionen af forbrydelse, og som behandler det omfang, hvori Det Europæiske Fællesskab har kompetence til at lovgive på dette område.
But the overwhelming consensus not only of Parliament but of society is that the gravity of the social ill of drug money laundering which has been referred to by a number of speakers is so great as to fully justify a limited and controlled change in our present arrangements.
Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender er klar over, at det er et følsomt område, for så vidt angår medlemsstaterne.
Mr Cooney was exactly right to talk about the balance and the need to take these steps for the greater good of society as a whole.
Vi erkender, at der er juridiske argumenter i begge retninger, at der er en vigtig debat om sagen.
He asks about liability fot the consequences of action taken by credit institutions on the instructions of the authorities of Member States involving the breach of banking secrecy.
Men i et spørgsmål som hvidvaskning af penge, der uundgåeligt er forbundet med kriminel virksomhed, er det umuligt at forestille sig, at det kan behandles på nogen anden måde end ved at gøre det til en kriminel handling i alle medlemsstaterne.
The answer is that Articles 5 and 7 have been drafted to minimize the risk that member States' authorities would be responsible in certain circumstances.
Det er vanskeligt at forestille sig, at de, der er indblandet i organiseret forbrydelse, som køber og sælger narkotika, kan afskrækkes af noget andet end sanktioner for kriminalitet. Man kan vanskeligt forestille sig, at
However, Mr President, if the present measure is to suffice in practice, two things are needed: first, close cooperation between the authorities, not only within the Community but on an international scale since we are in an age when the movement of capital knows no frontiers, and secondly, very severe, indeed draconian
Det, der er brug for, er skrappe kriminallove, der kan håndhæves.
The Council has worked well in regard to this matter.
Medlemsstaterne ved det fra praksis, og i praksis er det da også det, de vil gøre.
The common position on the directive has been reached in less than a year but its content involves a major step forward in this area in the balanced way I have described.
Vi mener, at det er nødvendigt, at de anerkender dette faktum offentligt ved at acceptere ændringsforslag nr. 3, som vi har stillet til artikel 2.
It is true that in some few points the common position differs from the original proposal but the principles and objectives are the same.
Jeg vil blot lige læse det op som helhed til glæde for andre kolleger: ger:
All the amendments proposed by Parliament at the first reading and tabled by the Commission have been included in the text except for one which I expect in the end will be accepted by the Council.
Jeg skal slutte med, at Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender og Borgernes Rettigheder ser en nødvendig hed i at stramme det foreslåede direktiv i disse vigtige henseender.
Amendment No 8 can be fully accepted since the reference to the date, 1 January 1992, was withdrawn in committee.
Imidlertid forstår vi de vanskeligheder, Kommissionen står over for.
Amendment No 6 could also be accepted with a slight redraft to clarify the text.
Vi er klar over, at når man opnår en fælles holdning, der er enstemmigt vedtaget, er udsigterne til, at denne lovgivning bliver lov i medlemsstaterne, meget gode.
On Amendment No 1, the part concerning the Commission's role in monitoring and identifying countries that have in adequate money laundering standards, would be difficult to accept.
Det må være vort primære mål, og i det omfang er vi tilfredse med den indstilling, man er nået frem til.
I think Mr Hoon, in supporting it, very fairly also pointed out some of the problems. This would exceed the Commission's means, expertise and competence.
Medlemsstaterne drager omsorg for, at hvidvaskning af penge, der hidrører fra en strafbar handling, behandles som en lovovertrædelse i henhold til deres nationale lovgivning.
But quite apart from that it would involve drawing up a sort of blacklist of countries, which is an approach not favoured by the task force.
Det tager hensyn til de konstitutionelle problemer, og det er svært at se, at det skulle være så vanskeligt for medlemsstaterne at acceptere det.
This very clear indication and this pressure on the financial institutions go as far as international comity and practicality permit in the direction proposed by Mr Hoon and the committee.
De Donnea (LDR), ordfører om udtalelsen fra Udvalget om Økonomi, Valutaspørgsmål og Industripolitik. — (FR) Hr. formand, Rådets fælles holdning om hindring af udnyttelse af det finansielle system til hvidvaskning af penge indfører nye bestemmelser i forhold til Kommissionens oprindelige forslag.
In order to assess properly what this common position means I would like to recall what the situation was before the Commission's proposal.
Udvalget om Økonomi, Valutaspørgsmål og Industripolitik mener, at nogle af dem er reelle forbedringer af den oprindelige ordlyd.
At the time, as Mr Hoon said in his opening remarks, only two Member States had specific legislation against money laundering and this grave phenomenon was either ignored or considered as something of a purely domestic character.
Således erstattes begrebet »alvorlig forbrydelse« i artikel 2 af det langt mere præcise »kriminel handling«.
By the time the common position was adopted all Member States agreed on the necessity of prohibiting money laundering and the need to apply the appropriate measures and sanctions to combat it.
Udvalget om Økonomi, Valutaspørgsmål og Industripolitik glæder sig over, at en række af dets ændringsforslag fra førstebehandlingen er medtaget, enten i bogstaven eller ånd, i den fælles holdning, og vi glæder os særligt over at se, at ånden i vore ændringsforslag om bankclearingens funktion er taget op af Rådet.
In particular, they agreed to introduce a wide range of preventive measures affecting not only banks but the whole financial system as well as other professions, particularly prone to be used for money laundering.
Imidlertid vil Udvalget om Økonomi, Valuta spørgsmål og Industripolitik ønske, at der tilføjes et nyt stk. 6 a, der siger, at i tilfælde af skade, der direkte er forårsaget af en urigtig erklæring afgivet i god tro, er staten ansvarlig for den lidte skade.
Among these measures I would like to emphasize the establishment of a mandatory system of reporting suspected operations which involves indeed a complete lifting of banking secrecy in the field of money laundering.
Jeg minder om, at en sådan bestemmelse for eksempel findes i den franske lov om hvidvaskning af penge.
This will align the Community's standards in this area with the strictest in the world.
Udvalget om Økonomi, Valutaspørgsmål og Industripolitik har derfor stillet et ændringsforslag herom.
I would, in particular, refer to the important provision which will oblige financial institutions to keep records and supporting evidence of transactions, a provision which was introduced to take account of an amendment proposed by the Parliament relating to the record keeping of international transfers.
I øvrigt tilslutter Udvalget om Økonomi, Valutaspørgsmål og Industripolitik sig den fælles holdning.
The only difference is that the directive now goes even further to cover all kinds of transactions and not just international transfers.
Et andet vigtigt område, for så vidt angår Udvalget om Retlige Anliggender, drejer sig om ekstraterritorial kontrol med forholdene uden for Det Europæiske Fællesskab.
The Commission has difficulties in accepting Amend ments Nos 4, 7, 10 and 11 since they involve substantial harmonization of criminal law or go beyond the specific scope and nature of the directive as explained in the first reading.
Hvidvaskning af penge er et verdensomspændende fænomen.
It would be hard to accept Amendments Nos 2, 3, 5, and 9 for the following reasons.
Trods de forbedringer, der foreslås her for Fællesskabets vedkommende, vil disse nemlig kun have ringe virkning, hvis andre lande fortsat ignorerer problemet.
Amendment No 2 is not necessary since the definition of money laundering has been widened to include some types of conduct covered by sub-paragraph c of Article 3 (1) of the Vienna Convention.
I den hen seende er verdens finansielle samfund sårbart, hvor det svageste led i kæden findes.
So I do not think that a specific reference to that sub-paragraph is necessary.
Hvidvaskede penge kan komme ind i det internationale system, dersom man ikke håndhæver normerne et andet sted. Derefter kan disse penge ikke identificeres.
Amend ment No 3, on the criminalization of money laundering, a matter which was touched on by a number of speakers in today's debate, would reopen in the Council a very delicate debate on the Community competence, which would frankly block the discussion of the directive.
Det Europæiske Fællesskab kunne så blive oversvømmet af hvidvaskede penge, der forvrider vort marked og påvirker vor økonomi, uden at vi er i stand til at kontrollere dem, ja formentlig uden at vi ved, hvor pengene har deres oprindelse.
My sympathies are, of course, wholly with what has been said in the debate today and the position that Parliament has taken throughout.