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I denne ramme bør man af indlysende grunde bestræbe sig for at sikre, at alle de kræfter, der repræsenterer den politiske og den sociale kamp, kan deltage i dialogen, fordi den nationale forsoningsproces, hvori udsigterne for Sydafrikas fremtid virkelig fastholdes, udelukkende vil kunne fremgå som resultat af den positive udvikling af denne konfrontation.
We have the precedent, after World War II, that the entire military industry, the entire industry working for the war, was adapted very rapidly and actually created more jobs.
Den igangværende syd afrikanske proces' uigenkaldelige karakter afhænger derfor også af vor evne, af Fællesskabets evne, af de vestlige landes fælles evne til at forberede fleksible svar, der er tilpasset til situationens udvikling, her under også en strategi, der er opmærksom på sanktionerne, således at vi stimulerer styrkelsen af de demokratiseringsprocesser, der er det mål, som vi alle agter hurtigt at nå.
Studies by the UNO have shown that an investment in military production produces so many jobs, whereas the same amount invested in peaceful industries produces 25 to 30% more jobs. So let us abandon excuses and develop the will to progress in the direction of arms control, from the stage of research right up to trade and imports.
Peter Beazley (ED). — (EN) Er udenrigsministrene i Europæisk Politisk Samarbejde ikke klar over, at mange af EF's medlemsstater ud over Det Forenede Kongerige har en betydelig samhandel med Syd afrika?
DE ROSSA (CG). — Mr President, I think it should be recognized that the statement last weekend from the NATO summit contained a number of very welcome and indeed new departures.
Er de heller ikke klar over, at mange sorte afrikanske stater er meget afhængige af deres sam handel med Sydafrika?
However, I think that while that statement recognizes that the traditional enemy has all but vanished, many of the NATO leaders still lag far behind the desire of the general public for an end to war games of all kinds; it is hard to avoid the conclusion that for many of the NATO leaders that statement represents a kind of strategic withdrawal to allow for regrouping rather than a fundamental conversion to a peaceful process of security.
Jeg har med egne øjne set disse forsendelser, der går i begge retninger, i Syd afrikas grænseområder, så jeg ved det ikke kun von horensagen eller på anden vis.
Taking the optimistic view with regard to the decline in major power conflicts, there still remains a wide range of small wars which are just as efficient at killing people and absorbing the products of the arms industry.
Det er et faktum, og det er et faktum, der er velkendt.
It is essential that the supply of war materials to those areas be cut off and that a weapons build-up in other sensitive areas is not permitted.
Er det derfor ikke — i betragtning af udviklingen i drøftelserne mellem ANC og den sydafrikanske regering — på tide, at der ved lempelsen af sanktionerne tages hensyn til den faktiske situation og ikke til situationen, som folk foregiver den er?
Could I also say that it is essential to realise that it is not enough just to call for an end to this or that particular war factory or installation. Sellafield is a classic example: there are constant calls for its closure, and indeed it should be closed.
Vitalone. — (IT) Hr. Beazley, det er netop det, vi søger at gøre.
It is a reprocessing plant which produces weapons-grade material for nuclear warheads.
Da jeg talte om et fleksibelt svar, sigtede jeg netop til kravet om, at svarene tilpasses til begivenhedernes forløb, og dette forløb håber vi alle kun må blive positivt.
But unless we actively seek alternative employment for the tens of thousands of people who work there, realistically speaking, it is not going to close.
Ewing (ARC). — (EN) Som eneste overlevende her i Parlamentet af den frontlinjestatsdelegation, der blev nedsat til at behandle apartheid-spørgsmålet mellem AVS-landene og EF's medlemsstater, har jeg ret til at stille et spørgsmål, som jeg allerede har stillet, men som jeg endnu ikke har fået noget svar på.
BAGET BOZZO (S). — (IT) Mr President, I think that we shall still have a great deal to say on this subject because, if the world is changing — we no longer have communism in the East, and perhaps we shall no longer even have a Soviet Union in a few years time, just as we shall not have the Warsaw Pact — arms will nevertheless still remain for a long time.
Jeg må virkelig næsten le ad Det Konservative Partis renvaskning af situationen, når de foreslår, at vi skal være flinke imod vore sorte brødre.
We are barely at the beginning of a disarmament process that has started to affect the nuclear field and that must sooner or later also affect conventional weapons.
De af os, der var med i frontlinjestatsdelegationen, fik af vore sorte brødre det klare udsagn, at de ønskede, at vi opretholder sanktionerne. Vi havde besøg af Nelson Mandela her, og han bad os om at opretholde sanktionerne.
This subject seems to me to be a European subject : if, as is said, the problem of NATO, Europe's column of strength, is something real, and if the Community is to have a part to play in this, then the whole problem of armaments becomes all the more a European problem and, therefore, the principle of subsidiarity can be involved here, in the sense of giving the European organisations responsibility for anything concerning the subject of arms.
Mit spørgsmål er dette: Hvordan kan nogen her i Fællesskabet drømme om at stoppe noget, som fungerer, og som er, hvad folk ønsker, ikke blot folk i Pretoria, men folk i Zambia og alle frontlinjestaterne?
Moreover, we might also have a competitor in the new organisation that is now being talked about and that was talked about at the NATO Summit — that is to say, a parliamentary assembly, the CSCE that is in fact resident at Strasbourg, at the Council of Europe, which will certainly be interested in the subject of arms.
Hvordan i alverden kan det gå til, at nogen medlemsstat letter presset?
The arms question therefore becomes a European problem, the problem of their production and control.
Som bekendt er min regering, den britiske — der ikke er en regering, jeg har valgt — én af dem.
ROTHLEY (S). — (DE) Mr President, I should like to clarify Mr Köhler's general comments by giving the example of West Palatinate, my own region, which borders on France, making it a frontier region and for centuries a military marshalling area.
Vil De være så venlig at nævne de stater, der optræder således, fordi de er forrædere mod Sydafrikas sag!
After the Second World War there was even a ban on investment in this region, and one of the consequences of this situation is that we have an aboveaverage proportion of allied forces.
Brian Simpson (S). — (EN) Må jeg anmode Rådets formand om at behandle de to spørgsmål, der blev stillet af hr. Melandri og fru Ewing, og det specielle forhold, at visse regeringer er uvillige til at udføre beslutningen om at opretholde økonomiske sanktio ner over for Sydafrika.
Two eminent Japanese authors have been able to claim that they are the third world military power because they would only have to give — they said this then, eight months ago — the Soviet Union their technological knowledge and their supremacy in information technology for the armament of the East to reach another level.
Jeg ønsker, at han besvarer spørgsmålene åbent og ærligt.
And so, technology generates new possibilities for weaponry.
Hvad vil det italienske formandskab gøre ved de medlemsstater, der ikke gennemfører økonomiske sanktioner over for det sydafrikanske regime, først og fremmest Det For enede Kongeriges og den nederlandske regering?
Controlling disarmament is a very big problem, and we have seen on the other hand that the greatest danger that now threatens us lies in the arms trade.
Jeg vil gerne pointere over for ham, at både det sorte folk i Sydafrika og Nelson Mandela selv, da han besøgte Parlamentet, fastslog, at de ønskede, at
Here, we in Europe have certainly been lacking, if we remember that Iraq was able to reach the level of weaponry that it now has, including chemical weapons, thanks to the collaboration of Member States of this
Det svar, jeg allerede har givet, var et fælles svar på spørgsmålene fra det ærede medlem hr. Melandri og det ærede medlem fru Ewing.
We have, of course, fought against the terror due to low-level training flights. That was and is true.
Da jeg talte om fleksibilitet, talte jeg om nødvendigheden af, at Fællesskabets svar gradueres efter de resultater, som allerede så småt kan konstateres, og som — det forestiller vi os — senere vil kunne antage de dimensioner, som vi alle ønsker.
If what we all want now actually happens, a substantial reduction in troops, solidarity requires that the European Community does not let us down but helps to ensure that we too are given the opportunity to prosper economically.
Apartheiden fortsætter.
For this we need the European Community's help.
De sagde også, at det italienske formandskab ville forsøge at tilnærme de forskellige standpunkter.
of states and armies and from international relations what is going on in our countries, and how arrange ments are made with the arms trade, and how the major resource of the arms trade and arms production is the combined stupidity of right and left, because we must always save life through arms and death.
Det spørgsmål, jeg stiller, er følgende: Har det italienske formandskab også et standpunkt, og bør sanktionerne efter det italienske formandskabs mening opretholdes eller ej, indtil apartheiden bliver definitivt afskaffet, eller er det derimod sådan, at det italienske formandskab også har en tøvende holdning?
As long as this ideology continues, which is common to the par tyocracies and expressed incidentally in the major party in this Parliament, under which lip-service is paid to liberal ideas which have no reality or truth, then I shall simply state that perhaps the only revolution we have had was the revolution of tolerance and secularism at the beginning of the Enlightenment, which the French revolution hastily destroyed by setting up new monsters and new rights to die.
Vi ville gerne have et præcist svar, og jeg mener også, at det ikke kunne være så vanskeligt at give et svar til vor kollega, der bliver ved med at spørge, hvilke lande det er, som i praksis fortsætter med at bryde de sanktioner, der blev truffet beslutning om dels i Rådet, dels af Europa-Parlamentet.
On the other hand, we have non violence and tolerance at the heart of the European federation and of a new conception of the state, as a break with national ties which are vicious and vile and which detemine our political life.
Napoletano (GUE). — (IT) Nelson Mandelas krav, der blev bifaldet af Europa-Parlamentet, havde et politisk og forfatningsmæssigt mål, nemlig at nå frem til en ny sydafrikansk forfatning, som alle de parter, der er involveret i sagen i dag i Sydafrika, skulle bidrage til.
PANNELLA (NI). — (FR) Mr President, Council representatives, Mr Bangemann, ladies and gentlemen, we have before us a pile of documents and suggestions, but if we were simply to write out all the suggestions and proposals, we would then have a list of things which will not be done.
Det er derfor et politisk mål, som Mandela har bedt os tilslutte os.
We shall be adopting resolutions with which the Council will do nothing and the Commission, in fact very little.
Jeg ser af den grund nødig, at der til visse medlems staters opposition med sanktionerne i denne fase også føjes Italiens.
Mr President, I have already said that we need only read and list what everyone is proposing, vote it through and give it to the Council.
Er De i stand til at meddele denne forsamling, om det er sandt eller ej, at der eksisterer et dokument fra det italienske udenrigsministerium, hvori der tales om genoptagelse af forbindelserne mellem italienske virksomheder og Sydafrika?
We shall not receive salvation from the Council. It is, I think, beyond both its means and our expectations to look for deliverance from the Commission.
Vitalone. — (IT) Hr. formand, her vender et aspekt af det spørgsmål, der allerede er blevet stillet af det ærede medlem fru Ewing, tilbage, og jeg har ikke noget imod at svare.
Mr President, there is no European federation because the national states are loyal friends of the military industrial complex Eisenhower described.
Det er dog indlysende, at formandskabet svarer på Rådets vegne: Det bør ikke, kan ikke og har heller ingen beføjelser til at referere forhold, der er forbeholdt Rådets interne anliggender, og som eventuelt vedrører den adfærd, der udvises af de enkelte medlemsstater, for hvilke vi naturligvis ikke kan stå til ansvar.
The members of the EPP are Christians, it seems, but with one or two exceptions they are not here to confirm it.
Vitalone. — (IT) Jeg kan ikke med sikkerhed hævde, at der findes planer, der er i strid med det ønske, som fremgår af udkastet til forfatningsreform i Sydafrika.
Of the socialists, we have with us Gianni Baget Bozzo, who is a socialist, a Christian, a Catholic, a minister of religion, a priest, etc.
Hvad angår eksistensen af handelsforbindelser, tror jeg, at der altid har eksisteret handelsforbindelser mellem det éne og det andet land.
But he is alone. My liberal friends have made one or two useful and interesting points.
I dette øjeblik svarer vi i vor egenskab af formand skab for EF.
I must say, though, that there is a problem of awareness and conscience.
Vi svarer ikke specifikt mht. aktiviteter, der kan kommenteres for andre passende fora ved hjælp af en detaljeret dokumentation.
This is one of the most important and significant problems affecting our life.
Jeg fik ikke noget svar, og Parlamen tets formand tillader tilsyneladende, at Rådet undlader at besvare spørgsmål.
You may regret this, I personally regret it, but for the moment it is a fact that the current institutional set-up permits the Commission to state its views only on questions which concern the Community's policies.
Det er skammeligt, fordi vi er Europas valgte repræsentanter, og det er virke lig en skandale, at Parlamentets formand tillader, at Rådet lader være med at besvare spørgsmål.
We were well aware that the Iran-Iraq war went on because it was in the interest of the eastern and western military-industrial complex, but it is because of the policies of countries that these wars rage on.
Jeg ønsker at få oplyst, hvilke stater der bryder sanktio-
We are well aware, or at least it seems so to me, that the NAC will shortly serve the purposes of those who hope to see South Africa replace the Middle East.
For så vidt angår de spørgsmål, der er stillet af det ærede medlem hr. Carvalhas, vil jeg gerne gøre følgende synspunkt gældende, nemlig at den indre udvikling i Sydafrika skal tages i betragtning med henblik på en lempelse af sanktionerne og sanktionssystemet under diversificerede og komplekse aspekter.
Revolutionaries, who are even greater cretins than the conservatives — sorry, Mr President — have long been saying that peace and independence can be defended, can conquer and build by sending arms to the front, by arming the good to destroy the poor because the logic of arms, the logic of wealth and power, is in the end a logic of death which sits very well with power.
I parlamentets næste samling i februar 1991 vil andre restriktioner blive ophævet. Og den endelige ophævelse af apartheid — det er indlysende — vil kun kunne opnås i og med stadfæstelsen af et nyt forfatningssystem, der indrettes under overholdelse af borgernes rettigheder.
We may wish — and we are working on this — that security policy as such and especially defence policy in the narrower sense, and so the procurement of and trade in arms, fell within the Community's terms of reference.
Men dette vil åbenbart kun kunne blive resultatet af en delikat forhandling.
I believe that would be a good thing, but it is not the case at present.
Netop derfor er Fællesskabet indstillet på at foretage en gradvis revision af sanktionerne i takt med den gradvise afvikling af apartheid og med fremskridtene i de forskellige forhandlingsfaser.
Quite the contrary, in fact : we have the much quoted Article 223 of the EEC Treaty, which explicitly excludes from the Community's policies anything that should be excluded on grounds of the Member State's security interests.
Formanden. — Kære medlem, De har anmodet om ordet vedrørende et andet emne.
This is a restriction which I would ask you not to blame me for.
Rådets formand har allerede svaret Dem, og derfor er forretningsordenen blevet overholdt både efter sin ånd og efter sin bogstav.
As the guardian of the Treaties, the Commission is particularly called upon to respect these limits. But I will try to give as precise answers as I can where the Community's policies are concerned.
I det område, jeg kommer fra, nemlig Sydwales, har vi en ejendommelig tradition.
It is simply politics and political cooperation. Beyond the conquest of the united states of Europe, how do you expect to be able to do what your countries do not do ?
Når folk stiller spørgsmål, får de svar.
Whether you read the Figaro or the Soir, the Times or the Corriere della Sera, you find a chamber of horrors.
Kunne De oplyse mig og forsamlingen om, hvorvidt den tradition også over holdes her i Parlamentet, og hvis det ikke er tilfældet, hvad er da nytten af spørgetiden?
Penal law is the only law applicable to the attitude of the govern ments, majorities and partyocracies which dominate our continent or the socalled democratic part of it.
Carvalhas (CG). — (PT) Hr. formand for Rådet, De har nævnt her, at situationen i Sydafrika er kompliceret og vanskelig.
I think, then Mr President, that there is no European federation because a European federation would cause, as we know, security problems.
Det er vi enige i, men det er også en situation, der ikke efterlader nogen tvivl:
And we would act on security matters as a united states of Europe, but that, of course, is not allowed.
Formanden. — Jeg plejer at give ordet til det størst mulige antal kolleger, således at alle kan få et svar.
There are five aspects of relevance to us : firstly, we must, of course, consider the rules and precepts governing the current change in the defence industry and the outcome of these changes.
Formanden for så vidt som der er tale om spørgsmål, hvilket ikke forekommer mig at være tilfældet lige for øjeblikket.
BANGEMANN summarize these ideas in a special document dealing with this specific aspect of the industrial policy.
tilfreds med det svar? Hvilke foranstaltninger traf eller agter Rådet at træffe på et senere tidspunkt?
to arms reductions and so raises the question what can be done about converting this industry.
Spørgsmål nr. 27 af Carvalhas (H-739/90):
Thirdly, we must consider the public procurement markets.
Vitalone. — (IT) Jeg tror, jeg kan være enig med forespørgeren, når han hævder, at der ikke skænkes problemerne i forbindelse med menneskerettighederne samme betydning i Europa og i andre lande.
Fourthly, we have questions concerning the trade policy, the arms trade in others words, and fifthly, we have to think again about various aspects of the regional policy which have been mentioned by a number of Members and especially Mr Rothley.
Jeg har anført, at der netop på europæisk initiativ i sidste Lomé-konvention er brugt et kapitel til opstilling af en ny menneskerettighedsdoktrin og til præsentation af effektive instrumenter til beskyttelse heraf.
I will discuss these five aspects and will then be able to answer some of the questions.
Kan Udenrigsministrene i Europæisk Politisk Samarbejde give oplysninger om, hvorfor flere studenters død som følge af de zairiske sikkerhedstyrkers indgriben ikke har givet anledning til en protest på baggrund af bestemmelserne i den fjerde Lomé-konvention?
The second example concerns the aerospace industry. Some of its capacities are used for the manufacture of military products, and we are currently considering how we can promote its conversion without jobs being lost.
Vitalone, formand for udenrigsministrene. — (IT) Efter den zairiske ordensmagts indskriden på Lubumbashi-universitetets campus, hvorunder adskillige studenter blev dræbt og et stort antal mennesker såret, har Fællesskabet og dets medlems stater besluttet at give udtryk for deres alvorlige bekymring over for myndighederne i Zaire.
Here again, we are relatively optimistic, because the demand for civil aircraft should enable this industry gradually to find a substitute that is at least partly satisfactory.
Første del af spørgetiden er afsluttet. ')
Technology is developing very quickly and making many of the military's conventional armaments obsolete.
Den italienske ambassadør, der optrådte som repræsentant for Rådets irske formandskab, foretog den 30. maj i år en démarche over for den zairiske udenrigsminister og fremhævede ved den lejlighed den betydning, som Fællesskabet og dets medlems stater tillægger beskyttelsen af menneskerettighederne, med henvisning til bestemmelserne herom i den nye Lomé-konvention.
When these results are known to us, we can, of course, make quantitative statements on these conversion efforts. But we cannot do that yet.
Der blev ved samme lejlighed erindret om den store bekymring, som de tragiske begivenheder i Lubumbashi-universitetet har fremkaldt i Fællesskabet og i dets medlemsstater. ter.
In effect, all we can do is lay the foundations and in this way try to prepare ourselves for future developments.
Jeg appellerer derfor til myndighederne i Zaire om at indlede en undersøgelse af begivenhederne og træffe passende forholdsregler mod de medlemmer af sikkerhedsstyrkerne, som har gjort sig skyldige i mand drab og andre voldshandlinger, eller som har krænket menneskerettighederne.
Even within the industry there are ideas on taking advantage of the resulting synergy effects, and we find that countries which had in fact renounced the manufactui e of armaments — Japan, for instance — are becoming arms suppliers by way of what is known as dual use.
Köhler (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, nytænkningen i den sovjetiske udenrigs- og sikkerhedspolitik, den fredelige revolution i Øst- og Mellemeuropa og den militære nytænkning i USA giver os den måske enestående historiske chance, at nedrustning for første gang vil blive en realitet.
What we are not ignoring in this context is that the enterprises themselves must make efforts to develop a strategy.
Det gælder for det nukleare såvel som for det kemiske område og tillige for konventionelle våben.
We cannot have a situation in which the Commission issues instructions and so assumes re sponsibility for the industry.
Under forhandlingerne i Wien aftegner der sig jo konkrete skridt i retning af nedrustning.
That is not the purpose of a sensible industrial policy.
Jeg minder her navnlig om tilbuddet fra USA's præsident Bush om at reducere de kon ventionelle tropper i Europa både fra amerikansk og sovjetisk side til 195 000 mand.
The enterprises themselves must, of course, endeavour to diversify their output and gear it to civil goods. I say this to ensure that excessive hopes are not pinned on my statement.
Man må gå ud fra, at der efter en omstilling af Warszawapagten og NATO og en institutionalisering af CSCE-processen kan forekomme yderligere skridt i retning af nedrustning.
So we hope in this way to be able to develop an industrial policy that helps these industries.
For at der ikke skal opstå nogen misforståelse vil jeg lige anføre, at vi hilser dette velkomment uden forbehold.
In so doing, we do not intend simply to refer to this help : we must also expect the industries to make an effort themselves.
Nedrustningen har naturligvis også en anden side, nemlig spørgsmålet om virkningerne for de beskæftigede i
In particular, this will entail cooperation on technology and in research, which clearly falls within the Commission's and Community's terms of reference.