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Vort Parlament, kollega Catherwood, har vedtaget sin position til topmødet, og dermed er formandens mandat til topmødet klart.
I think it is totally absurd that, having come to a position where we are looking at the long term situation, we should be upset in our efforts to take a long term approach with regard to the 1992 programme which the Commission wants to get well underway before its term of office comes to an end at the end of the year, and into which it has put enormous resources.
Et andet spørgsmål er, om vi ikke skal stemme om en beslutning om Det Europæiske Råd, der finder sted sidst på ugen. Som De vil huske, var dette punkt på dagsordenen i formiddags, og vi mener, at det er nyttigt, at vi stemmer om de beslutninger, der indeholder udtalelser, der er møntet på Det Europæiske Råd.
I would think that the correct thing to do now is for us to get on with business, to say how extraordinarily important it is to get the Commission programme completed by the time this Commission goes out of office at the end of the year, and that it is time that the Council made up its mind and got on with it.
Nu drejer det sig kun om Parlamentets enkeltafgørelse om arbejdsprogrammet.
PANNELLA (NI). — (FR) Mr President, personally speaking I am worried, because the European Council is meeting this week in Brussels.
Og det er der jo ingen, der kan snakke uden om ved at sige, at resultatet af topmødet kan gå i den ene eller den anden retning.
This does not alter the fact that our opinion on any Commission's proposal does not depend on what happens in Brussels.
Det er netop først efter topmødet, vi kan beslutte, at Kommissionens arbejdsprogram skal se sådan eller sådan ud.
I fail to understand why we are holding up once again a political judgment which we ought to have expressed earlier.
Formanden. — Hr. Croux, vi noterer os Deres be mærkning, men vi må ikke bringe forvirring i ting ene.
I think we should give you, as you are going there to represent us, a very strong vote so that you can present not just what we said but what we voted on.
Det lovgivningsprogram, Kommissionen har la vet, er noget, vi skal overveje.
I think that is a much better idea than the idea of the chair men of the political groups.
Vi har i temmelig lang tid presset på over for Kommissionen for at få den til at udarbejde dette lovgivningsprogram, og den har i den henseende været yderst hjælpsom.
PRESIDENT. — The view of the chairman of political groups this morning who had a lengthy debate on this, Mr Pannella, was that we should have a full debate on this but not vote on it.
Det drejer sig derfor om at drøfte Kommissionens pakke.
It is, however, a matter for the House to decide.
Da jeg går ud fra, at Parla mentet altid bør sige noget hurtigst muligt efter de trufne beslutninger, er jeg af den opfattelse, at vi i marts bør træffe afgørelse om arbejdsprogrammet.
We agree that we shall not vote on the work programme of the Commission until March.
Det lovgivningsmæssige program skal Det Udvidede Præsidium jo ifølge Forretningsordenen træffe beslutning om den 24. eller 25. februar, så dertil er en afgø relse i Parlamentet ikke nødvendig.
A different question is whether we should not vote on a motion for a resolution on the European Council meeting at the end of this week.
Sir Fred Catherwood (ED). - (EN) Hr. formand, jeg er enig med Dem og med hr. Pannella.
ARNDT (S). — (DE) Mr President, we are confusing various issues at the moment.
Jeg har ellers aldrig været enig med Dem begge på samme tid, så det mener jeg er noget helt usædvanligt!
When Sir Fred Catherwood asks us to give you a mandate for the summit, that would be the worst possible course of action we could take because we have already done that.
Jeg er ikke enig med gruppeformændene.
Our President represented Parliament at the conclave.
Veil (LDR). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg skal ikke gen tage det, hr. Arndt sagde.
What we are discussing now is Parliament's opinion on the work programme.
Jeg deler det synspunkt, der blev udtrykt angående Kommissionens program, men jeg vil gerne vende tilbage til det, hr. Croux sag de, for det foruroliger mig en smule.
No-one can deny that the results of the summit could go either way. It is only after the summit that we can decide exactly what the Commission's work programme should be.
Der er ingen beslutning om Det Europæiske Råd.
PRESIDENT. — Mr Croux, we take note of your point, but we must not confuse the issue.
Vi har stemt tidligere, og jeg kan ikke se, hvordan vi kan stemme en gang til og give et nyt mandat. Jeg tror, dette mandat ville være yderst farligt.
The legislative programme which the Commission has produced is a matter for consideration by us.
Jeg vil altså gerne have et klart svar på hr. Croux' indlæg. Der er
We all know what can happen: it is perfectly feasible that the President of the Commission informs us in
Nogle grupper har indgivet beslutningsforslag.
Otherwise, let us have the debate and then vote on it.
Vi må først se på beslutningerne.
Sir Fred Catherwood is quite right.
I vores beslutning og også i andre beslutninger står der udtrykkeligt, at man i overensstemmelse med et almindeligt ønske forbeholder sig sin stillingtagen til Kommissionens program til marts.
March that the Commission had presented a work programme for 1988 but that various points have to be changed in the light of the decisions of the Brussels summit.
Men De må ikke glemme, at der står på dagsordenen, at der kan stemmes.
Now I assume that Parliament always wants to react as quickly as possible after the relevant decisions have been taken, so I think that we should decide on the work programme in March.
Vi kan ikke nu komme og sige. at vi ikke stemmer om Kommissionens program, for vi er nødt til at stemme om de beslutningsforslag, der er indgivet.
The Enlarged Bureau decides on our legislative programme on 24 or 25 February, under our Rules of Procedure, so that no decision of Parliament is necessary for that.
Jeg tror, man skal være meget præcis og sige til grupperne, at der ikke bliver nogen debat om dette spørgsmål. Hvis vi i øvrigt gav et nyt mandat tre dage før Det Europæiske Råd, ville vi risikere at desavouere os selv til næste mødeperiode, og det er jeg bange for.
That is why the Chairman of Political Groups decided after a serious discussion that we should debate the work programme again tomorrow but wait until March before taking a decision on it, by which time we will know what has come out, or indeed has not come out, which is equally possible, of the Brussels summit.
Det andet punkt, jeg vil komme komme ind på, er, at der politisk set er et samspil mellem Rådet, Kommissionen og Parlamentet.
VEIL (LDR). — (FR) Mr President, I shall not repeat what Mr Arndt has just said.
Jeg gen tager: Jeg kan ikke indse, hvorledes man nu kan sige. at vi tager debatten, men at vi ikke stemmer.
I share his opinion on the Commission's work programme.
Der imod har vi tidligere ved flere lejligheder sagt, at vi udskyder vores stillingtagen, og at vi tager sagen op igen på et senere tidpunkt.
But I should like to take up what Mr Croux said because that worries me somewhat.
Sir James Scott-Hopkins (ED). - (EN) Hr. formand, jeg er forbavset over, at gruppeformændene indtager den holdning, de har taget.
CATHERWOOD, Sir Fred (ED). — Mr President, of course I agree with Mr Arndt and Mrs Veil that we do not want to give you a new mandate.
Mener de virkelig det?
We have given you a mandate.
Det gør jeg ikke.
That mandate remains.
Jeg tror heller ikke, mange andre mennesker i forsamlingen gør det.
We would like you to stick to it and we would like the Commission to stick to it, because we in Parliament and the Commission have already made up our minds.
Hvis vi ved afslutningen af forhandlingen om Kommissionens program kommer til konklusioner om det, bør vi stemme om det.
The people who have got it all wrong and cannot make up their minds are the Council.
Jeg forstår virkelig ikke, hvorfor de har indtaget det standpunkt, de har.
Therefore, would you please get on with your job and make up your mind and clear the way for this Commission programme on which we have already voted.'
Vi bør afholde denne debat og så stemme.
There is no resolution on the European Council.
Hvis vi ikke vil stemme, bør vi overhovedet ikke have debatten!
We have already voted on it and I fail to see how we can vote again on a new mandate.
Lad os udsætte den til marts, hvis det er det, de vil.
I think such a vote would be extremely dangerous.
Ellers lad os få debat ten og så stemme om det. Sir Fred Catherwood har ganske ret.
I should like a clear ruling on Mr Croux's point.
Jeg mener altså ikke, at man kan gøre, som De har foreslået, nemlig at drøfte Kommissionens program, men undlade at stemme herom.
I think we should state quite clearly to the groups that there will not be a debate on this question.
Spørgsmålet er, hvorvidt man skal stemme om de beslutninger, der er indgivet, efter at man har behandlet disse beslutninger. ninger.
Indeed if we amend the mandate three days before the European Council meeting we run the risk of having to do a turn-around during the next part-session, I fear.
Prout (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg er enig med de talere, der siger, at det vil være farligt at tage en afstemning i denne uge om topmødet i Bruxelles.
CROUX (PPE). — (NL) Mr President, I would like to spell out things clearly, but we really cannot ignore the agenda.
Vi har allerede taget stilling til denne sag, og der er ingen mening i at betræde de samme stier.
On the agenda it says there will be a debate and it gives a deadline for tabling motions for a resolution, which was last week.
Efter forelæggelsen af Kommissionens årsprogram og Parla mentets forhandling herom enes Det Udvidede Præsidium og Kommissionen om et årsprogram for lovgivningen ...
Our motion for a resolution, and some others too, specifically says that we will pass judgment on the Commission's programme in March, as the general wish seems to be.
Derfor er det afgørende, at Parlamentet drøfter denne sag for at give Det Udvidede Præsidium passende instrukser.
But you must not overlook the fact that the agenda also says there may be a vote.
Uanset hvilken beslutning vi træffer om afstemning i eftermiddag, skal vi have denne debat i morgen.
We cannot now say that we are not going to vote on the Commission's programme because we must vote on the resolutions which have been tabled.
Sir Fred Catherwood (ED). - (EN) Hr. formand, selvfølgelig er jeg enig med hr. Arndt og fru Veil i, at vi ikke ønsker at give Dem et nyt mandat.
SCOTT-HOPKINS, Sir James (ED). — Mr President, I am amazed at the group chairmen taking the attitude that they have taken.
Vi har givet Dem et mandat. Dette mandat står fast.
Do they really think that?
Vi ønsker, at De holder fast ved det, og vi ønsker, at Kommissionen holder fast ved det, for vi her i Par lamentet og Kommissionen har allerede taget stand punkt.
If at the end of debate on the Commission's programme we come to conclusions about it, then we ought to vote on it.
De, der har fået galt fat i det hele og ikke kan tage standpunkt, er Rådet.
Otherwise we are just a talking shop!
Hvorfor skulle vi ændre det, fordi Rådet sidder og sidder og ikke kan træffe beslutning?
My second point is that there is a political interplay between the Council, Commission and Parliament.
Det, vi gerne vil have, at De kan sige, er:»Jeg har fået et mandat, og dette mandat står fast, men Parlamentet har stemt for at animere Kommissionen til at komme videre med dette program.
We think that at this moment it is very important in political terms for Parliament to cooperate with the Commission and that we should decide on it in March when we examine events carefully. We wanted to make that point clear.
Vil De derfor være så venlige at kom me i gang med Deres arbejde og træffe en beslutning og rydde vejen for dette kommissionsprogram, som vi allerede har stemt om ! « (Bifald)
We reserve judgment on the programme in the overall context of what now needs to be done, because the programme cannot be implemented if the Brussels summit does not produce some results.
(Det vedtoges ikke at foretage afstemning i indeværende mødeperiode)
I repeat that I fail to understand how some people want a debate now but no vote.
Formanden. — Jeg har fra Gruppen af Kommunister og Beslægtede modtaget anmodninger om, at de tre betækninger af Hitzigrath om protokoller mellem Fællesskabet og Israel udsættes til en kommende mødeperiode.
So I do not think we can vote on the issue as you have just formulated it, namely that we would have a debate but not vote on the Commission's programme. The point is whether or not we vote on the motions for a resolution which have been tabled after they have been duly examined.
disse direkte handelsforbindelser mellem repræsen tanter for de besatte områder og EF kan indledes uden kontrol og afgørelse fra den israelske regering.
documents in question, but many of us face a serious problem of conscience in voting for them at this time; and this could produce a situation in which the qualified majority was not forthcoming, which would involve fresh, long negotiations.
Derfor kan vi i øjeblikket ikke sige ja til det.
This is no use to anyone.
Også for så vidt angår protokollen om det finansielle samarbejde mellem Det Europæiske Økonomiske Fælles skab og Staten Israel, mangler vi tilsagn om, at det gøres bekendt, til hvilket formål disse penge gives ud, og hvilke beslutningsmuligheder Israel har her.
The fact that Parliament is not debating the documents at this time represents above all, for the attention of the Israeli authorities, a very eloquent sign of the concern with which we see what is happening in their country.
Rossetti (COM). - (IT) Hr. formand, de nyheder, som i disse timer når os fra Israel og de besatte ter ritorier, nyheder, som er bekræftet af medlemmer af Parlamentet, som i sidste uge var der, taler om en voksende spænding, om stadigt alvorligere episoder, der går ud over den palæstinensiske befolkning, om flere døde og flere sårede i lejrene.
That is why, Mr President, we call for the debate on these points to be postponed to another part-session, a more favourable occasion.
Alle disse forhold og den i forvejen vanskelige situation har foranlediget os til at indtage det standpunkt, al vi bør betragte alle tre protokoller som én pakke.
PROUT (ED). — Mr President, I agree with those speakers who say that it would be dangerous to have a vote this week on the Brussels Summit.
Da vor samlede gruppe i øjeblikket ikke kan give til slutning til den, beder vi om, at dette punkt udsættes endnu en gang, for at vi kan få mulighed for at beskæftige os intensivt med det og også udøve et vist pres på Israels regering.
We have already taken a position on that matter and there is no point in going over old ground.
Derfor stiller vi forslag om at udsætte dette punkt; ellers må vi imødese betydelige vanskeligheder.
After the presentation of the Annual Programme by the Commission and the debate thereon in Par liament, the enlarged Bureau and the Commission shall agree on an annual legislative programme . . .
Veil (LDR). — (FR ) Hr. formand, jeg tror, vi til disse tre betænkninger om en protokol til aftalen mellem Fællesskabet og Israel skal tage stilling til proceduren og ikke til selve sagen.
The enlarged Bureau of Parliament is due to make up its mind about the position it will take on the annual legislative programme on 25 February this month. Therefore it is essential that Parliament debate this matter in order to give its enlarged Bureau the appropriate instructions.
Hvis vi skal stemme senere om protokollerne, kan vi til den tid udtale os om sagens indhold.
Irrespective of the decision made on votes this afternoon, we must have that debate tomorrow.
I denne situation forekommer det os, at det ville være forkert at drøfte og vedtage protokollerne om samarbejde mellem Det Europæiske Fællesskab og Israel, som om intet var passeret.
ARNDT (S). — (DE) Mr President, in December the Enlarged Bureau took a decision of principle on the question of approving this type of protocol, which is roughly as follows: if these protocols do not receive 260 votes in the first vote, then they are deemed to be rejected.
Vi ønsker alle i Parlamentet oprigtigt samvirke og samarbejde med Israel.
I said quite specifically at that time that it could therefore be perfectly possible for my group to force a second vote.
Ingen ønsker det te.
But the Enlarged Bureau thought that was not possible.
Den omstændighed, at Parlamentet ikke drøfter dokumenterne nu, er frem for alt et meget sigende signal til de israelske myndigheder om den bekymring, hvormed vi følger begivenhederne i deres land.
In other words, if this is put to the vote on Wednesday then there must be 260 votes for all three protocols — and under the present circumstances I doubt very much whether that is possible.
(Bifald fra venstre)
(Parliament decided not to hold a vote at the present part-session)
Hvad proceduren angår, er jeg ligesom min gruppe og flere andre forbløffet over, at man ved at udsætte nogle forslag — her drejer det sig om protokoller, men i andre tilfælde kan det dreje sig om direktivforslag — søger at påvirke den endelige afstemning.
PRESIDENT. — I have received from the Socialist and the Communist and Allies Groups requests for the three reports by Mr Hitzigrath, concerning protocols between the Community and Israel, to be held over to a future partsession.
Det finder jeg overordentlig alvorligt.
The fourth additional protocol before us contains a proposal to introduce direct trade relations between traders in the occupied territories and the EEC.
Så snart en betænk ning kan forelægges til afstemning for forsamlingen, skal den forelægges, og forsamlingen skal leve op til sit ansvar.
But we do not have the absolutely binding commitment that these direct trade relations between representatives of the occupied territories and the EEC may be established without the supervision and the approval of the Israeli government.
I vissse tilfælde mangler der naturligvis nogle informationselementer, hvilket kan indebære en tilbagevisning.
That is why we cannot approve them at this moment.
Men i dette tilfælde råder vi over al information, og intet begrunder en udsættelse.
And in the protocol on financial cooperation between the European Economic Community and the State of Israel there is no guarantee that the purpose for which this money will be spent will be made public nor what power of decision Israel has here.
Arndt (S). - (DE) Hr. formand, Det Udvidede Præsidium traf i december en principbeslutning i spørgsmålet om tilslutning til den slags protokoller, og den lød som følger: »Når der ved første afstemning ikke opnås 260 stemmer, betragtes disse protokoller som forkastet«.
ROSSETTI (COM). — (IT) Mr President, the news that is now reaching us from Israel and the Occupied Territories — news that is confirmed by colleagues from this Parliament, who were there last week — is of growing tension, increasingly serious incidents to the detriment of the Palestinian population, and further deaths and further people wounded in the camps.
Jeg understregede i sin tid udtrykkeligt, at det efter min gruppes mening absolut var muligt at der kunne stemmes nok en gang.
All these points plus the very sensitive situation have convinced us we should consider all three protocols as one package.
Det Udvidede Præsidium havde imidlertid den opfattel se, at det ikke kunne lade sig gøre.
As the whole of our group is not yet able to vote in favour of them, we would ask that this item be postponed once more so that we have an opportunity of examining it in greater detail and of exerting a certain pressure on the government of Israel.
Med andre ord: når der skal stemmes om det på onsdag, skal vi have 260 stemmer for alle tre protokoller — og det vover jeg, som debatten ser ud for øjeblikket, at betvivle.
As was clear from the decision on urgency on the Thursday of the last partsession it is in the interest of the large majority of this House to persuade the Israeli government to change its approach to the occupied territories. ries.
Enten man som Parlamentet mener, at det drejer sig om en forkastelse, hvis der ikke er det krævede antal stemmer, nemlig 260 stemmer, eller man som Rådet mener, at der ikke er tale om forkastelse, men at Par lamentet simpelt hen ikke har udtalt sig, fordi der ikke har været det tilstrækkelige antal stemmer, munder det ud i det samme.
In this situation it seems to us that debating and voting for the cooperation protocols between the European Community and Israel — as though nothing was happening — is a mistake.
I formiddags stillede jeg med overlæg på gruppeformændenes møde det spørgsmål til Rådets repræsentant, hvad der ville ske i tilfælde af, at protokollerne kom til afstemning i Parlamentet, men der ikke var de 260 stemmer.
Everyone in this Parliament sincerely wants collaboration and cooperation with Israel.
Han sagde klart til mig, at for Rådets vedkommende var der ingen grund
In a less dramatic situation I do not think there would be any difficulty whatsoever in approving the
Jeg vil gerne vide, hvor god Deres maskine er, og i hvilket øjeblik en afstemning kan betragtes som gen nemført.
When we come later to vote on the protocols then we shall express an opinion on the substance.
Jeg mener altså, at disse protokoller bør forelægges for Parlamentet, der bør påtage sig sit ansvar.
Communists friends say, to take this opportunity — via protocols on oranges, lemons, etc. — to pass unfavourable judgment on current Israeli politics, then that is fair enough.
Enten er der 260 stemmer, og så er protokollerne vedtaget, eller der er det ikke. Disse protokoller bliver betragtet enten som udsat eller som forkastet, men Rådet kan, når som helst det ønsker det, forelægge disse protokoller for forsamlingen en gang til.
Even if I personally disagree, I respect that point of view.
Formanden. — Hr. de la Malene, ved denne ejlighed vil jeg gerne sige — for jeg har tidligere indrømmet, at De havde ret og jeg uret — at jeg havde fuldkommen ret. De stemmer, der blev afgivet, var langt færre end det antal medlemmer, der var til stede og stemte.
As regards the procedure, I, like my group and indeed other people, am shocked that an attempt is being made to influence the final vote by postponing certain proposals — protocols in this case but another time it could well be proposals for a directive.
Vi kontrollerede det hos teknikerne, og de sagde, at det var helt tydeligt, at der havde været en fejl i maskineriet.
As soon as a report is ready to be presented to the House it should be done and the House then accepts its responsibilities.
Det var derfor lysende klart, at sådan var situationen.
Sometimes, of course, some elements of information may be missing and that could justify a postponement.
Jeg havde ikke anden mulighed end at gentage afstemningen.
But in the present situation we have all the information and nothing justifies its postponement.
Helt bortset fra spørgsmålet om protokollen til aftalen med Israel drejer det sig om, hvornår Rådets eller Kommissionens forslag bør forelægges for Parlamentet.
But I must say that we do so carefully and not light-heartedly. I am not at all sure that it is the Israeli authorities, in fact I would say that it is not them, who have been ordering the army to kill people these past few days.
Man kan ikke ved at fastlægge dagsordenen forsøge at ændre Parlamentets holdning.
I think it is clearly not in Israel's interest to provoke any serious incident.
Forhandlingen om Nordirland vil finde sted mellem kl. 18 og 19 i morgen.
Indeed it is in the inter ests of others to have fatalities.
Fristen for at fremsætte beslutninsforslag er i dag kl. 19 og for at stille ændringsforslag i morgen kl. 11.
I personally reject these killings and I think we should do our duty as Parliamentarians.
Prout (ED). — (EN) Til spørgsmålet om den angloirske debat : Vil De lade os vide, hr. formand, hvilken artikel De går frem efter?
(Parliament decided to refer the three reports back to committee after the vote had been repeated due to a technicalfault at the first vote).