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For det andet har han fremsat en beskyldning, der ikke er korrekt: hr. Ruiz Mateos er ikke anklaget for bedrageri.
In the second place there was an imputation which is not correct — Mr Ruiz Mateos is not charged with any offence of fraud.
ROGALLA (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, sagen er måske særlig vanskelig og også en krænkelse af Europa-Parlamentets sensibilitet, når der er tale om ophævelse af immunitet.
ROGALLA (S). — (DE) Mr President, this is perhaps a specially difficult case and also confirms the Assembly's sensitivity where waiver of immunity is involved.
På den ene side er der de fakta, som ordføreren redegjorde for.
On the one hand there are the facts which the rapporteur has put before us.
Selvfølgelig har han også fremsat dem i udvalget, som jo ikke kun består af spanske med
Naturally he did so also in committee, which consists not only of our Spanish Members but naturally reflects the whole spectrum of Parliament and its Groups.
For det tredje er det virkeligt alvorlige i sagen efter min mening, at Menneskerettighedsdomstolen i Strasbourg har givet familien Ruiz-Mateos medhold i deres klage over den spanske stat med den begrundelse, at hans sag ikke er blevet retfærdigt behandlet ved den spanske
Thirdly, what I do think is serious is that the Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg should accept a complaint against the Spanish State for nothing less than lack of fairness in the proceedings before the Spanish Constitutional Court. I think that is not a mere failure to observe formalities.
Anmodning om ophævelse af Langers immunitet
Request for waiver of parliamentary Mr Langer
Min eneste lille indvending drejer sig om hr. Defraignes udtalelse her i salen, idet jeg ikke mener, det var berettiget eller relevant for sagen at omtale den forulempede ministers ægteskabelige forhold og dermed krænke respekten for privatlivets fred og de individuelle frihedsrettigheder.
The only change I should like to make to Mr Defraigne's speech is that I do not think there is any need, with our policy of respect for the privacy and rights of individuals, to mention here the marital details of the minister who was assaulted.
Den del af hr. Defraignes udtalelse kan jeg ikke erklære mig enig i.
I cannot agree with that part of Mr Defraigne's speech.
FORMANDEN. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok.
PRESIDENT. — The next item is the report (A3-23/92) by Mr Gil-Robles Gil-Delgado on behalf of the Commit tee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities on the request for the waiver of the parliamentary immunity of Mr Langer.
A3-23/93) af Gil-Robles Gil-Delgado for Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlemmernes Immunitet om anmodning om ophævelse af Alexander Langers parlamentariske immunitet.
GIL-ROBLES GIL-DELGADO (PPE), rapporteur. — (ES) Mr President, I shall be brief in this case too. Normally in these applications we find a conflict of rights: Parliament's right to protect its own independence and that of its Members — since that is what the system of immunities is for — and the right, sometimes of society to pursue a crime, sometimes that of the actual victims or even the right of the alleged wrongdoer to defend himself.
HABSBURG (PPE). — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg havde oprindelig tænkt på at afgive min stemmeforklaring skriftligt.
HABSBURG (PPE). — (DE) Mr President, I originally intended to make my explanation of vote in writing.
Men efter hr. Bru Puróns tale må jeg desværre gøre det mundtligt.
However, after Mr Bru Purón's speech I must unfortunately give an oral explanation.
Det bliver efterhånden utåleligt for os år efter år at iagttage, hvorledes en borger forfølges i Spanien på grundlag af yderst tvivlsomme retlige bestemmelser.
It is gradually getting intolerable for us to see how, over the years, a citizen is being persecuted in Spain on the basis of very doubtful legal provisions.
Det er beklageligt, fordi Spanien ellers udgør et smukt eksempel på et rigtigt demokrati.
That is regrettable, because apart from that Spain is such a good example of a genuine democracy.
Det er en skamplet, og derfor stemmer jeg med begejstring for hr. Defraignes forslag, som er den rene og skære retfærdighed. dighed.
This is a black mark, so I shall vote with enthusiasm for what Mr Defraigne has proposed, as it is simply only fair.
BRU PURÓN (S). — (ES) Hr. formand Jeg gentager, at anklagerne mod hr. Ruiz-Mateos omhandler dokument falsk og uregelmæssigheder i virksomhedsadministrationen.
I agree with what Mr Suárez said — it seems to me that it is not the best of taste and good conduct for a Member of Parliament to approach a case by quoting the personal life and matrimonial vicissitudes of an ex-minister, moreover with a serious error of fact, because Mr Iglesias is a singer, not a marquis.
Jeg tilslutter mig hr. Suårez' udtalelse — der forekommer mig at være fuldt på højde med, hvad der må forventes af en parlamentariker med hensyn til stil og holdning — om. at det er irrelevant og upassende at omtale en tidligere ministers privatliv og ægteskabelige forhold, i øvrigt med direkte fejlagtige oplysninger, da hr. Iglesias er sanger og ikke markis.
As I say, the system of immunities rests upon the need to protect the independence of Parliament and of its Mem bers, which takes precedence over all other rights because it is one of interest to the whole of society: the proper functioning of democracy.
Det var endnu et fejlgreb.
But in this specific case Parliament's interest does not and cannot exist.
Men det er i sidste instans irrelevant for sagen.
Why not, Mr President?
Som sagt er parlamentarisk immunitet baseret på nødvendigheden af at garantere Europa-Parlamentets og dets medlemmers uafhængighed, som nyder forrang frem for de andre rettigheder, da den er af interesse for hele samfundet, for så vidt som det drejer sig om demokratiets funktion.
BRU PURÓN (S). — (ES) In any case, if you saw these scenes on television, the minor assault did not occur, Mr Defraigne, — since you have taken such an interest in the details of this story — at a conference but on the actual premises of a court in Madrid, a fact which in itself meant that proceedings would be taken.
Men i det foreliggende tilfælde gør denne interesse sig ikke gældende.
PRESIDENT. — Mr Bru Puron, I gave you the floor to make a personal statement.
Hvorfor ikke?
We are not interested in the historical survey.
Fordi vi har at gøre med en sag, der er indledt, før hr. Langer valgtes til medlem af Parlamentet, en retssag, der startede med, at han først blev dømt ved retten i Rom, dernæst afsagde appelretten kendelse om, at forbrydelsen var forældet, hvorved det strafferetlige ansvar var bortfaldet, hvorefter hr. Langer indgav kassationsappel. før han blev valgt til medlem af Parlamentet, fordi han ønskede dom for, at han er uskyldig, og ikke for at forbrydelsen er forældet.
ROBLES PIQUER (PPE). — (ES) Mr President, I have no choice but to say, on behalf of the delegation whose chairman I have the honour to be, that what is really regrettable is that we should be debating this subject because of the surprising slowness with which the Spanish administration of justice is working in this case — or perhaps not working. And of course, although there is separation of powers, some of the blame does lie with those Spanish politicians who ought to be taking a clear line on this case.
Det forholder sig derfor sådan, at uanset om anmodningen om ophævelse af hr. Langers immunitet imødekom-
I personally think these cases show that we should keep a record of how the domestic proceedings have gone, because we should find that very interesting.
DEFRAIGNE (LDR), ordfører. — (FR) Jamen, hr. Bru Purón, der er tale om både en markis og en tidligere minister!
(Parliament adopted the decision)
Prøvelse af Des Geraghtys mandat
Verification of credentials of Mr Geraghty
Selv tager jeg disse tilfælde som anledning til at dokumentere, i hvilken retning de statsinterne procedurer har udviklet sig, da det interesserer os meget.
Finally I should just like to mention again that in this case, as the rapporteur has already said, the Member concerned has made clear efforts to get the immunity waived so that justice may be seen to be done. I think that does him special credit.
A3-17/93) af Rogalla for Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlemmernes Immunitet om prøvelse af Des Geraghtys mandat.
A3-17/92) by Mr Rogalla on behalf of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities on the validity of the appointment of Mr Geraghty.
ROGALLA (S), ordfører. — (DE) Hr. formand, almindeligvis laves der ikke betænkninger om prøvelse af med lemmers mandater, og det forhold, at det alligevel sker i dag, antyder måske allerede, at vi i det mindste har med et interessant tilfælde at gøre. Dette tilfælde bør heller ikke mangle i dokumentationen over vor mangeårige arbejdserfaring i forbindelse med emnet immunitet og mandatskifte.
ROGALLA (S), rapporteur. — (DE) Mr President, nor mally we do not draw up any reports about cases of verification of credentials and the fact that we have done so today may show you that here we are dealing with a case that is to say the least interesting.
Under flere debatter i udvalget beskæftigede vi os indgå ende med sagen, der for så vidt angår mandatsprøvelsen, som jeg har beskæftiget mig med i Europa-Parlamentet i mange år, var den vanskeligste, som jeg har været ude for.
We have worked intensively on this case at several meetings and for me this has been so far the most difficult case of verification of credentials that I have dealt with in many years in this Parliament.
Det var den vanskeligste, fordi den berørte et problem i forbindelse med medlemsstaternes valgsystem, rent konkret udøvelse af mandatskifte og virkningen deraf.
It was the most difficult because we are dealing with a problem concerning Member States' electoral arrangements, or more specifically the replacement of a Member and its consequences.
LANGER (V). — (DE) Hr. formand, i dette tilfælde falder gruppens mening sammen med min personlige opfattelse, som jeg gerne vil fremføre.
LANGER (V). — (DE) Mr President, in this case my Group's opinion coincides with my own, so it is permissible for me to express it.
Jeg vil takke ordføreren for at have anerkendt det af mig i udvalget fremførte standpunkt som værende berettiget, idet han udtalte sig i samme retning.
I should like to thank the rapporteur for recognizing as justified the opinion I expressed in committee and the committee too for giving an opinion along these lines.
Jeg mener, at vi medlemmer under ingen omstændigheder bør misbruge vor immunitetsbeskyttelse, og at det derfor fra min side var helt rigtigt ikke at ønske immunitetsbeskyttelse, hvilket vor gruppe også med rette støttede.
I think we Members of Parliament should in no case abuse the protection which our immunity offers, so that from my point of view I was absolutely right, and my Group has rightly supported me, in not wishing for immunity.
Jeg vil derfor være kollegerne taknemmelige for at følge udvalgets og ordførerens henstilling.
I should be very grateful to the Members of this Assembly if they would follow the recommendation of the committee and the rapporteur.
Hvis vi ønsker, at parlamentsmedlemmets opgave og formålet med den parlamentariske immunitet skal forstås i den rette forstand og respekteres, så mener jeg også, at immuniteten kun bør opretholdes i meget sjældne tilfælde.
If we want the office of a Member of Parliament and the point of parliamentary immunity to be correctly under stood and respected, I think we must uphold immunity only in very rare cases.
Mit tilfælde hører bestemt til dem, hvor immuniteten
My case certainly belongs to those in which immunity should not be upheld and I therefore ask you to vote in favour of my colleague's report.
Vi konstaterer, at hr. De Rossa som repræsentant for Workers' Party i Irland nedlagde sit mandat i Europa-Parlamentet i november 1991.
We must point out that our colleague Mr De Rossa, a representative of the Workers' Party from Ireland, resigned his seat in the European Parliament in November 1991.
I sådanne tilfælde går medlemsstaterne almindeligvis frem efter en liste over efterfølgere til mandatet, men procedurerne er forskellige i medlemsstaterne.
Normally in such a case the Member States have recourse to a list for replacement of Members and different arrangements are made in the various Member States for this succession to the seat.
For Irlands vedkommende sker det med stærk inddragelse af det pågældende parti, og i forbindelse med hr. De Rossas mandatsnedlæggelse
In the case of the Irish Republic the party concerned in each case plays a leading part and so it came about that in connection with Mr De Rossa's resignation there was a meeting of the relevant Dublin branch of the party I mentioned.
Den betænkning, som vi nu har modtaget, ville ikke være nødvendig under sådanne omstændigheder, og der bør sættes en stopper for det i al fremtid.
Under our system of proportional representation using the single transferable vote, the method we use is the only one that is possible and practical without throwing the Irish electorate into a state of total confusion.
COONEY (PPE). — (EN) Hr. formand, idet jeg ser frem til, at ordførerens henstilling vedtages, vil jeg gerne lykønske hr. Geraghty og sige, at vi er glade over, at han fra ikke at være helt forfatningsmæssig er gået over til at være fuldt forfatningsmæssig.
come to our recommendation that we approve Mr Geraghty's credentials and at the same time call upon the authorities of the Member States to review the procedure for the selection of candidates and replacement candidates from the point of view of the directness of the election.
Han forstår udmærket, hvad jeg mener.
That is what is in my report and I should be very glad if the Assembly would approve it.
medførte det, at det af mig allerede nævnte partis Dublin-distrikt holdt møde.
DESMOND (S). — Mr President, in 1989, in Ireland, the European elections and the general election were held on the same day.
Medlemmerne blev indkaldt, og de allerede foreliggende lister over reservekandidater gennemgået.
The leader of the Workers' Party, Mr De Rossa, contested both elections and was elected to both Parliaments.
Under gennemgangen følte en kandidat, der på listen faktisk stod foran hr. Des Geraghty, sig tvunget til at give afkald på udnævnelsen i henhold til den irske udvælgelsesprocedure for efterfølgere.
At that time I deplored the dual mandate on the grounds that no deputy can discharge his full responsibilities to both Parliaments in a truly effective manner.
Listen bestod alt så af en række navne, og en af de pågældende erklærede sig indforstået med at træde tilbage.
Furthermore, I was of the view that the principle of one person, one job, one salary and one set of allowances should apply in respect of Parliamentary representation.
Efter at hr. Des Geraghty havde hørt om sin overtagelse af mandatet, tilbagekaldte han imidlertid sit afkald.
My party had engaged in musical chairs ofthat kind, and I brought that practice to an abrupt end in 1989 by retiring from the national parliament and standing directly for this Parliament.
Beslutningsforslaget kræver, at Irland tilpasser sine regler med hensyn til reservekandidater på linje med loven af 20. september 1976.
The practice has grown up in Ireland — an unfortunate and erroneous practice — of that official going to the party which has the vacancy and asking the party who is the replacement.
Men begrundelsen indrømmer i punkt 4, under overskriften »Juridisk bedømmelse« — og det må være kernen i begrundelsen — at den irske procedure er kompatibel med de lovgivningsmæssige kriterier for udpegelsen af efterfølgere.
But the proper procedure is for that official to look at the list — which is a public list after the European election — and go to the first person on that list and, if that person has proper validation, then notify that person's name to the Euro pean Parliament.
Det siger, den lige netop er i overenstemmelse; men alligevel er den kompatibel.
I say if that person has proper validation because, under Irish law, the replacement candidate must belong to the party which has the vacancy.
Jeg synes, at det er et vigtigt punkt at fremhæve.
This is another point of contention and confusion with regard to Mr Geraghty.
Det er sagens sammenhæng i få ord, og ved vurdering af problemet melder der sig naturligvis spørgsmålet om, hvorvidt der er taget hensyn til det almindelige direkte valg i det omfang, der fremgår af akten om direkte valg til Europa-Parlamentet.
At the time his name was notified to this Parliament he was a member of the party which lost the seat, but by the time he came out to this Parliament, there had been a split and he was in a new party.
Derfor kom udvalget til det resultat, at alle medlemsstater skal anmodes om nøje at undersøge deres lovgivning for valg af medlemmer og efterfølgere til medlemmer af Europa-Parlamentet for at fastslå, om de for valget fastsatte kriterier og da især kravet om almindelige direkte valg er tilgodeset.
That implies a legal morass and I would urge the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities not to venture into it or they will never get out.
Der er nok skabt en vis forvirring blandt nogle af vore kolleger fra Europas fastland med hensyn til listesystemet, som de kender det, og det listesystem, vi anvender i Irland til at udpege efterfølgere.
Mr De Rossa accepted my criticism and he resigned last November. Thus we had the nomination in quite controversial and very difficult circumstances of Mr Geraghty.
Det listesystem, vi anvender i Irland, svarer ikke til det listesystem, man anvender på det europæiske kontinent.
I accept the report on behalf of my group, however I strongly make the point that in future, the Irish political parties should not allow a dual mandate in regard to nomination.
Med vort system med forholdstalsvalg med én stemme, der kan overføres, er den metode, vi anvender, den eneste mulige og praktiske, uden at de irske vælgere gøres totalt forvirrede.
Furthermore, I call on the national parliaments throughout the Member States to amend their national electoral laws to rule out such dual nomination.
Anmodningen eller ønsket henvender sig selvfølgelig især til Irland, som er specielt berørt af sagen.
So I think we ought to take on board what Mr Rogalla says: that the procedures in Ireland do not have to be changed.
Det er betænknin gens indhold, og det vil glæde mig meget, hvis Europa-Parlamentet vil vedtage den.
But I do think that the way they are implemented has to be altered.
DESMOND (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, i Irland i 1989 blev valget til Europa-Parlamentet og parlamentsvalget afholdt samme dag.
I suggest to this Parliament that we should amend our own rules relating to allowances.
Lederen af Workers' Party, hr. De Rossa, var kandidat i begge valg, og blev valgt til begge parlamenter.
The payable various benefits should at least be halved for Members who practise the dual mandate.
Dengang beklagede jeg dobbeltmandatet, fordi intet medlem til fulde kan opfylde sine forpligtelser i begge parlamenter virkelig effektivt.
Our treaty should be amended in future to ensure that at the next IGC the dual mandate is prohibited in this Parliament.
Endvidere mente jeg, at princippet én person, ét job, én løn og ét sæt diæter burde være gældende for politisk repræsentation.
The kind of report we have now received would not been necessary in those circumstances, and a stop should be put to this for all time to come.
Denne embedsmand er sekretær i det irske Dail, underhuset.
This case is about the irregularity of the Irish system.
Det er hans job at udpege efterfølgeren, suppleanten, og give meddelelse herom til Parlamentet. Det er blevet praksis i Irland — en uheldig og fejlagtig praksis — at denne embedsmand går til det parti, som har et ledigt mandat, og spørger partiet, hvem efterfølgeren er.
COONEY (PPE). — Mr President, in anticipation of the rapporteur's recommendation being accepted, I should like to congratulate Mr Geraghty and say how pleased we are that he has made the transition from being slightly constitutional to fully constitutional.
Dette er en anden del af den strid og forvirring, der hersker om hr. Geraghty. Da hans navn blev meddelt til Parlamentet, var han medlem af det parti, som mistede mandatet, men da han kom til Parlamentet, var der sket en opsplitning, og han vari et nyt parti.
He will know exact ly what I mean.
Det er et juridisk hængedynd, og jeg vil opfordre Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlemmernes Immunitet til ikke at forsøge at blande sig, ellers vil de aldrig komme ud af det igen.
What should actually happen, as provided in Article 138(3) of the Treaty is that one uniform electoral system should be adopted.
Hr. De Rossa accepterede min kritik, og han gik af i november. Derfor blev hr. Geraghty udnævnt under meget kontroversielle og meget vanskelige omstændigheder.
While my group accepts the recommendation by Mr Rogalla that Mr Geraghty's credentials be validated, I think I would have to take issue with the motion for a resolution because I think it is at odds with the explanatory memorandum and consequently could be technically out of order.
Jeg accepterer betænkningen på min gruppes vegne, men jeg vil meget stærkt fremhæve, at i fremtiden bør irske politiske partier ikke tillade et dobbeltmandat ved opstillingen.
But the explanatory memorandum in section 4, under the heading "Legal Assessment" — and this has to be the kernel of the memorandum — admits that the Irish procedure is compatible with the legislative criteria for determining substitute candidates.
Så jeg synes vi skal acceptere det, hr. Rogalla siger: at procedurerne i Irland ikke behøver at blive ændret. Men jeg mener dog, at den måde, de håndhæves på, skal ændres.
I think confusion has possibly arisen among some of our colleagues from mainland European countries over the notion of the list system as they know it and the list system we use in Ireland for determining substitute
Jeg vil foreslå Parlamentet, at vi ændrer vore egne regler med hensyn til godtgørelser.
Mr President, we all know that that is not the position and we all know too why it is not.
For medlemmer med dobbeltmandat bør de forskellige godtgørelser og bidrag mindst halveres.
In Europe, and this will surprise Mr Cooney, we have a system which guarantees proportionality to a large extent, even if not totally.
Vor Traktat bør rettes fremover for at sikre, at man ved den næste regeringskonference forby
But the only system in the European Community which does not satisfy the requirements of Article 137 of the Treaty and provide a correct representation of the peoples of the European Community is the system in the United Kingdom, which is more like betting at the races than a really representative system.
WIJSENBEEK (LDR). — (NL) Hr. formand, jeg tror, at jeg vil begynde med den sidste taler, hr. Cooney, der hvor han siger, at der er noget galt i betænkningen, og selv angiver, hvad det er, der er galt, og som formand for
What the British do at Westminster they must decide for themselves but what we do here in the European Community is for all European peoples,
Forretningsordensudvalget mener jeg, at det også er her, at vi må søge vicium originis.
and there everybody must be represented, all shades, all parties, all groupings in so far as they get more than a certain minimum percentage.
Det drejer sig her om det haltende irske system.
That is not the case in the United Kingdom.
har ført til et bestemt resultat, i betragtning af at visse mere eller mindre brede, mere eller mindre organiserede, mere eller mindre anerkendte partiinstanser kan øve indflydelse ved at forelægge kandidaterne til mandatet for et nyt partiorgan.
I hope we can have done with these tedious matters as quickly as possible so that we have to deal with one uniform electoral system as intended by the Treaty and only then will my Committee on the Rules of Procedure, Verification of Credentials and Immunities be able to do a proper job.