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Bangemann, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (DE) Hr. formand, Kommissionen har valgt henstillingen
PRESIDENT. — Question No 65, by Mr Spencer (H0803/92)
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Subject: Trade and the environment
Andriessen. — (NL) Jeg har allerede sagt, at jeg havde på fornemmelsen, at spørgsmålet mindst lige så meget vedrørte miljøaspektet som det formelle institutionelle aspekt ved MTO.
ANDRIESSEN. — (NL) 1 already said that I had the feeling that the question related at least as much to the environmental aspect as to the formal institutional aspect of the MTO.
Lad mig begynde med at sige, at spørgsmålet om forholdet mellem handel og miljø for øjeblikket i hvert fald meget indlysende står på dagsordenen.
Let me say to start with that of course the question of the relationship between trade and environment is under discussion at the moment.
Vi har haft et panel om det famøse tunfiskeri med alle de skadelige følger, det har haft for delfinerne.
We have had a panel on the famous tuna fisheries with all the damaging
Vi har haft et panel om den ekstraterritoriale virkning af amerikansk lovgivning, og vi har haft et, der sagde, at en sådan unilateral ekstraterritorialitet ikke er accepta s. 4.
Will the Commission report to Parliament on the state of negotiations in GATT over the MTO and the establishment of its statutes?
Der er en række forbehold i visse medlemsstater, således at vi ikke kunne regne med at få flertal for noget, der går længere end en henstilling.
ANDRIESSEN having a majority for anything more farreaching than a recommendation.
Situationen har bedret sig.
The situation has improved.
Der er en større og større tilslutning i medlemsstaterne, men vi er endnu ikke kommet til noget resultat, hvilket har noget at gøre med, at der netop i visse medlemsstater hersker frygt for, at det vil medføre omkostninger, som ingen nu kan sige noget om, hvem skal overtage.
Member States are increasingly coming to agree, but we have not yet reached a conclusion because there are fears in some Member States that such a step would lead to expense and no one can say at present who is going to bear it.
Transport virksomhederne frygter, at de skal overtage dem. hvis ikke det offentlige gør det, og det offentlige frygter, at de skal overtage dem, hvis vi ikke kan belaste transportvirksomhederne med dem.
Transport undertakings are afraid that they will have to bear it if the public authorities do not do so and the public authorities are afraid that they will have to bear it if we cannot charge it to the transport undertakings.
Derfor er visse medlemsstater meget tilbageholdende.
So some Member States are very reluctant.
Det er den øjeblikkelige situation.
That is the position at the moment.
Det er situationen.
consequences for dolphins.
Jeg kunne godt tænke mig engang at vende Sir Stewart Clarks spørgsmål om: Hvis vi eksempelvis forelagde et direktiv eller en forordning, ville vi ikke have noget flertal, og det er det, der er problemet. Alle os, der jo nærmer os denne aldersgrænse på 60 år eller måske allerede er derover, er naturligvis også interesseret i det — også hr. Rogalla — men vi kommer ikke videre, fordi der er ingen, der vil betale for os.
We have had a panel on the extraterritorial effect of American legislation and we have had one which stated that such a unilateral extra territoriality was not acceptable, which does not mean — I should like to stress here this evening — that the trade system would, so to speak, turn its back on the environment, would have no concept of the problems of the environment — quite the reverse.
Spørgsmål nr. 70 af Caroline Jackson (H-0794/92):
I should like to say that the opposite is the case.
Om: Krænkelser af menneskerettighederne i Indien
I think that that in itself is something extraordinarily important.
Sir Jack Stewart-Clark (PPE). — (EN) Jeg hører, hvad hr. Bangemann siger, og jeg har en vis sympati for Kommissionens situation.
STEWART-CLARK, Sir Jack (PPE). — I hear what Vice-President Bangemann says and I have some sympathy for the position of the Commission.
Men jeg er sikker på, at man kan simplificere det.
But I am sure one can take a simple view of this matter.
Hvis der blev udstedt et fælles Europas til alle pensionister i Fællesskabet, så ville det være ganske enkelt at sikre, at i tilfælde, hvor nogle pensionister af én nationalitet får lavere takster ved jernbanerejser eller i form af særlige entrebilletter til biografer og teatre, så skal de samme faciliteter kunne udstrækkes til borgere fra et andet land, der som pensionister vil have samme kort.
If a Europass which was common to all pensioners in the Community were issued it would be a fairly simple procedure to ensure that where pensioners of one nationality get lower rates for rail travel or special entry terms for cinemas and theatres, the same facilities could be extended to some one from another country who, as a pensioner, would have the same card.
Det er meget enkelt, og det går helt over min forstand, hvorfor der går måned efter måned og år efter år, uden at Rådet — af grunde, som det bedst kender selv — synes at være i stand til at gøre noget ved det.
It is very simple and it is absolutely beyond me why it is that month after month and year after year the Council, for its own best reasons, does not seem to be able to do anything about this.
Jeg er meget glad for at se næstformanden nikke.
I am very glad to see the Vice-President nodding.
Jeg vil være taknemmelig, hvis han, eftersom han nikker, nu kan sige mig, hvad han vil gøre for at hjælpe os med at få dette ordnet i 1993, som er Det Europæiske År for Ældre?
I would be grateful if he would now be able to say, since he is nodding, what he is going to do to help us to get this established in 1993, which is the European Year of the Elderly?
Amnesty International har for nylig udsendt en rapport om vold mod fængslede personer i Indien, herunder voldtægt og tortur samt dødsfald — dette fænomen er meget udbredt.
I think it is important that thought should be devoted at this time in the framework of the MTO to the question how GATT must react to international environmental agreements.
Kan Kommissionen på denne baggrund give tilsagn om, at der vil blive inkorporeret en menneskerettighedsklausul i den nye samarbejdsaftale mellem EF og Indien, og at menneske rettighederne vil komme til at figurere på dagsordenen for enhver fremtidig dialog?
There lies naturally a vital area of possible confrontation or possible coordination. I am against confrontation, I am for coordination and I gladly promise the honourable Member that we shall try our best to take the fullest possible account of that dimension in policy in future.
Bangemann. — (EN) Netop fordi problemet er så enkelt, som det ærede medlem sagde, kan vi ikke gøre fremskridt. De har beskrevet situationen helt korrekt.
BANGEMANN. — It is precisely because the problem is as simple as the honourable Member has defined it that we cannot make progress.
I Storbritannien er der i øjeblikket ældre, der får fordele, hvis de er britiske statsborgere.
In Great Britain, for the time being, there are elderly people who get advantages provided they are British citizens.
Samme privilegier udstrækkes ikke til ældre f.eks. fra Tyskland eller Irland.
The same privileges are not extended to, for instance, elderly German or Irish men and women.
Hvis de fik de samme privilegier, sådan som vi har anbefalet, så ville det koste mere.
If they did get the same privileges, as we recommend, it would cost more.
Spørgsmålet for visse med lemsstater er: Hvem skal betale for det?
The question for some Member States is: who is to pay for that?
Skal vi betale for det ud af vore offentlige kasser, eller skal transportselskaberne betale? Det er grunden til deres modvilje.
Are we to pay for it from public budgets or are the transport firms to pay for it?
Jeg er ked af det, men så enkelt er det.
I am sorry, but it is as simple as that.
Bangemann, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (DE) Fællesskabet og dets medlemsstater står i en fortsat dialog med den indiske regering også i menneskerettighedsspørgsmål.
Question No 68, by Sir Jack Stewart-Clark (H-0789/92) Subject: Seniors Europass
Crampton (S). — (EN) Jeg takker kommissæren for hans svar.
CRAMPTON (S). — I thank the Commissioner for his answer.
Kan han fortælle os, hvilke medlemsstater der på så besynderlig vis nærer modvilje mod at træffe denne meget simple foranstaltning, sådan som Sir Jack Stewart-Clark beskrev det? Man vil natur
Could he tell us which Member States are strangely reluctant to undertake this very simple measure, as Sir Jack Stewart-Clark has described?
Se bilag »Spørgetid«.
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Bangemann være muligheder for en udvikling mod det bedre, således at først og fremmest volden i fængslerne ophører.
The Commission notified me in June 1991 that it wished to establish delegations in Prague and Sofia towards the end of the year.
Von Alemann (LDR). — (DE) Tillægsspørgsmålet er meget konkret, mine herrer kommissærer.
round: If, for example, we were to present a directive or a regulation, and not get a majority, that is the problem.
Jeg ved. at der i Bukarest var stor mangel på bolig- og kontorarealer, og det var i slutningen af juni stadig ikke lykkedes at finde noget. Er der nærmere oplysninger om, hvorvidt der i mellemtiden er fundet et hus, således at repræsentationen reelt kan indrettes i oktober eller november?
All of us who are approaching this age-limit of 60 or have perhaps passed it, including Mr Rogalla, are of course very interested, but we cannot make any progress because no one is willing to pay for us.
Andriessen, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (NL) Det er rigtigt, hvad De siger, nemlig at det er meget svært at finde gode lokaler.
PRESIDENT. — As the author is not present, Question No 69 will be answered in writing. (')
Men det er ikke nogen grund til ikke at starte, hvis alle budgetproblemer er løst.
— whether the delegations have begun work in Sofia and Prague, when the delegation will be set up in Bucharest and how many persons will be employed there?
Vi har også i andre tilfælde undertiden måttet slå os ned i hoteller i en vis periode, og det vil vi også forsøge at gøre der.
Question No 70, by Mrs Caroline Jackson (H-0794/92) Subject: Human rights abuses in India
Det er faktisk usædvanlig vanskeligt at arbejde i lande som Rumænien, men jeg tror dog, at vi vil være i stand til mere eller mindre inden for den fastsatte frist at bringe pro grammet for vor delegation der til gennemførelse.
Amnesty International has recently produced a report on the widespread phenomenon of custodial violence in India, including instances of rape, torture and deaths in custody.
Formanden. — Da spørgerne ikke er til stede, vil spørgsmål nr. 78 og 79 blive besvaret skriftligt. ')
In the light of this, can the Commission give an assurance that it will include a human rights clause in the new EC-India cooperation agreement, and make human rights a fixed agenda item in any future dialogue?
Spørgsmål nr. 80 af Alex Smith (H-0747/92):
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Bangemann. — (DE) Det er rigtigt.
BANGEMANN, Vice-President of the Commission. — (DE) The Community and its Member States are engaged in an ongoing dialogue with the Indian Government about aspects of human rights.
Kommissionen vil i forbindelse med en genforhandling af denne aftale foreslå en menneskerettighedsklausul, der i mellemtiden findes overalt i sådanne aftaler, og vi har allerede indledt drøftelser med vore indiske partnere herom.
As recently as 23 July last human rights were discussed with the Indian authorities at a meeting in New Delhi and the Indian Government stated that in response to the appeal by Amnesty International a large number of complaints of violation of human rights were being recorded and that a commission on human rights was now being set up in India.
Kan Kommissionen oplyse, hvad formålet var med kommis sionsformandens rejse i sidste øjeblik til FN's Konference om Miljø og Udvikling (UNCED) i juni i Rio de Janeiro, hvad dette besøg kostede, hvem han talte med under sit ophold i Brasilien, og om han vil fremsætte en erklæring om. hvordan hans tale til konferencen blev modtaget af de tilstedeværende stats- og regeringsledere?
Neither the Indian public nor the non-government organ izations have demanded measures in support of human rights programmes. I think that, since the Committee on Development and Cooperation and its chairman were informed about these questions in India and received a rather impolite reply on that occasion, it would perhaps be better if we continued to work through diplomatic channels to obtain an improvement.
Formanden. — Da spørgerne ikke er til stede, vil spørgsmål nr. 71-76 blive besvaret skriftligt. ')
PRESIDENT. — As the authors are not present Questions Nos 78 and 79 will be answered in writing. (1)
Spørgsmål nr. 77 af von Alemann (H-0741/92):
Question No 80, by Mr Alex Smith (H-0747/92)
Om: Kommissionens repræsentation i Østeuropa
Subject: Visit by President of Commission to UNCED
Bangemann, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (DE) Som det ærede medlem ved, har Rio-konferencen altid været et permanent anliggende ikke blot for Kommissionen, men navnlig også for Kommis sionens formand, og formanden deltog under hele forberedelsesfasen i arbejdet og var altid informeret om alt.
KELLETT-BOWMAN (PPE). — I should like to thank the Commissioner for that answer but it seems from what he said that the conditions are somewhat informal and in view of the fact that the Lomé IV Convention lays down certain conditions relating to human rights and good government, is there not a possibility that we are applying double standards if we do not require the same conditions in our negotiations on these subjects with India?
I juni 1991 orienterede Kommissionen mig om, at den ved årets udgang ville etablere delegationer i Prag og Sofia.
What was the purpose of the last-minute trip by the President of the Commission to the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) in Rio de Janeiro in June?
Desuden skulle der i 1992 etableres en delegation i Bukarest, hvilket skønnedes at være nødvendigt.
What was the cost of this visit? To whom did he talk during his trip to Brazil?
Kan Kommissionen, nu hvor budgetbevillingerne er fastlagt, oplyse, om delegationerne i Sofia og Prag allerede fungerer, hvornår delegationen i Bukarest etableres, og hvor mange medarbejdere denne delegation skal omfatte?
Will he make a statement on how his speech to the Conference was received by the visit ing heads of state and government?
På grund af et presset tidsskema, der navnlig havde sit udspring i Det Europæiske Råds møde i Lissabon, overvejede formanden et par dage, om han personligt måtte være fraværende.
BANGEMANN. — (DE) That is correct. In any renewal of this agreement the Commission will propose the human rights clause which is now included in all such agreements, and we have already opened discussions on this subject with our Indian partners.
Tillægsspørgsmål vil blive besvaret af min kollega, hr. Andriessen.
PRESIDENT. — As the authors are not present, Questions Nos 71 to 76 will be answered in writing. (2)
Omkostningerne til denne rejse var forholdsmæssigt små, når man tager den politiske nytte af de person-
Question No 77, by Mrs von Alemann (H-0741/92) Subject: Commission presence in Eastern Europe
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Det gav vi også klart udtryk for dér, og heller ikke denne holdning må forstås negativt.
But naturally we can only spend our own resources for the measures of such a conference ifall do that together.
Tværtimod var det en opfordring til alle om at deltage i dette værk.
We made that clear there, and this attitude must not be interpreted negatively.
lige samtaler i betragtning, for så vidt man overhovedet kan beregne dette forhold.
In view of the pressure of appointments arising from the Lisbon European Council, the President did wonder for some days whether to give up the idea of taking part personally.
Lane (RDE). — (EN) Man bør ikke kritisere fraværende venner, men jeg tror det var en forkert beslutning af den daværende kommissær, hr. Ripa di Meana, ikke at tage til konferencen i Rio.
LANE (RDE). — One should not criticise absent friends, but I believe it was a wrong decision by the then Commissioner, Mr Ripa di Meana, not to attend the Rio conference.
Jeg tror, at kommissionsformandens beslutning i sidste øje blik om at tage afsted var rigtig; men naturligvis var skaden sket, fordi Fællesskabet havde tilkendegivet, at det ikke ville lade sig repræsentere.
I believe that the late decision by the Presi dent of the Commission to attend was the right decision, but of course the damage was done, because the Com munity had indicated it would not be represented.
Så alt, hvad formanden kunne gøre, da han besluttede at tage af sted i sidste øjeblik, var at forsøge at udbedre de skader, som den daværende miljøkommissær alle rede havde anrettet.
So all the President could do when he decided to attend at the last moment was try to repair the damage that was already done by the then Commissioner for the Environment.
Så ligegyldigt hvor lidt Kom missionens formand har involveret sig i disse ting, mener jeg stadig, at det var en gestus, som var umagen værd, og at vi måske i sidste instans vil få et godt udbytte af den.
So whatever the lack of involvement by the President of the Commission, I still think it was a worthwhile gesture and maybe at the end of the day we will get value for money out of it.
Mon kommissæren kan huske, at før mødet i UNCED sammenlignede hr. Delors Rio med de rige, der går i kirke og offentligt beder for de fattige, men så giver mindst muligt til tiggeren ved døren.
However, the substance of his speech was to a large extent made known in Rio and the points of view previously expressed at the conference by the Commission representatives were emphasized as a result.
Er kommissæren derfor ikke enig i, at den vigtigste grund til, at UNCED har nået så lidt, er den negative indstilling hos amerikanerne, og at det er op til Fællesskabet at føre an, når det gælder at tage reelle initiativer på miljøområdet og hjælpe Den Tredje Verden?
All in all that made a very positive impression. Taking everything into consideration, this journey by the President confirmed the picture of the Community in Rio as one of the organizations and institutions which emphatically supported the idea of the conference.
Bangemann. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg tror ikke, det var et tillægsspørgsmål.
BANGEMANN. — Mr President, that was not a supplementary question.
Det var en bemærkning til det ærede medlem, der stillede spørgsmålet.
It was an observation to the honourable Member who put the question.
Jeg er enig med det ærede medlem, der kom med bemærk ningen til det ærede medlem, der stillede spørgsmålet. let.
I share the feelings of the honourable Member who made the observation to the honourable Member who put the question.
Om: Sælernes betydning for fiskebestandene
Subject: Consumption of fish stocks by seals
Har Kommissionen i lyset af forsøgene på yderligere at nedsætte de samlede tilladte fangstmængder (TAC) og den deraf følgende uundgåelige nedgang i fiskernes indtægter foretaget en vurdering af sælernes betydning for fiskebestandene, navnlig torsk, idet alle beregninger viser, at antal let af sæler er vokset betydeligt som følge af forbudet mod import af sælprodukter?
In view of the attempts to reduce TACs further and the negative impact on the income of fishermen that will follow, has the Commission made any recent assessment of the consumption of fish stocks, in particular cod, by seals, whose population, by all accounts has grown considerably as a result of the ban on the importation of seal products?
Bangemann. — (DE) Jeg anvendte udtrykket, at den daværende for miljøspørgsmål kompetente kommis sær ikke kunne deltage, men man kan nøjagtig lige så godt sige, at han ikke ville deltage.
BANGEMANN. — (DE) I used the expression that the Commissioner who was then responsible for environmental questions could not take part, but one might equally well say he would not take part.
Da han ikke ville deltage, kunne han ikke deltage, og for så vidt er der hér kun tale om en lille sproglig nuance.
Because he would not take part, he could not do so, so to that extent there is only a slight linguistic distinction.
Han havde sine grunde hertil, og jeg tror heller ikke, at man kan kritisere dette.
He had his reasons, and I think we cannot criticize that.
Også hans holdning tjente jo egentlig det formål at formå konferencen til at beslutte noget så subsistentielt.
But his attitude did actually lead the conference to decide on something rather substantial.
Det var i hvert fald min kollega, hr. Ripa di Meanas hensigt.
At least that was Mr Ripa di Meana's view.
Han havde eksempelvis ikke nogle andre politiske intentioner, snarere tværtimod: Fordi han på det tidspunkt, hvor han havde truffet sin egen beslutning, havde det indtryk, at konferencen måske ikke længere ville tjene noget formål, ønskede han så at sige at tvinge denne konference til også med hans beslutning at gøre noget definitivt.
It was not that he had other political views — quite the contrary: because, at the time he took his own decision, he thought the conference would perhaps not make any sense, he wanted to challenge it, so to speak, to react positively to his decision.
Det er rigtigt, at De Forenede Stater officielt på konferencen erklærede — og De Forenede Staters præsident forklarede jo også hvorfor — at de ikke ønskede at deltage finansielt i konkrete aktioner, i det mindste ikke i dem, som konferencen drøftede. Fællesskabet erklærede sin principielle vilje hertil.
It is tme that at the conference the United States officially stated — and the President of the United States explained why — that they were not willing to participate financial ly in specific programmes, at least not in the ones the conference discussed.
Vi kan og vil naturligvis inddrage alle disse overvejelser i vor egen udviklings- og miljøpolitik. Men vi kan
The Community stated that it was ready to do so in principle.
Bangemann, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (DE) Det er rigtigt, at bestandene af polartorsk er faldet ganske betragteligt — faldet i et farligt omfang — og at omvendt bestanden af sæl er blevet fordoblet fra 1983 til i dag.
There is a joint scientific working group of ICES and NAFO which is intended to investigate the real reasons for the decline in stocks of northern cod, and scientists assume that there are grounds other than those which might perhaps be deduced from the doubling of the harp seal population.
Nu kunne man naturligvis deri se en årsagssammenhæng, hvilket formodentlig også er det, som det ærede medlem ønsker at finde frem til.
Water temperatures have been extremely low, there have been other environmental factors and above all there has been clear overfishing of these fish stocks, which have been caught almost entirely in Canadian waters, so that we assume that at the conclusion of this scientific investigation the harp seals will not emerge as the sole culprits for this reduction in stocks.
Det kan vi stadig ikke bekræfte i dag.
We shall have to wait for the result of this inquiry.
I Underudvalget om Fiskeri har vi for nylig haft en drøftelse af problemet, og det blev foreslået — det er endnu ikke blevet vedtaget — at der skulle udarbejdes en initiativbetænkning for at man kunne finde ud af, hvor stor forøgelsen er, og hvilke følger den vil have. Jeg vil på dette stadium spørge kommissæren — for vi ønsker ikke at spilde tiden i underudvalget: Er De parat til at gøre noget i Kommissionen, hvis Underudvalget om Fiskeri finder, at sælerne er et problem? Hvorledes vil Kom missionen reagere på det?
Whenever we interfere with a biological balance of this kind — there are other examples, such as the total ban on hunting crows or magpies, which has led to a very severe reduction in the number of songbirds because both these birds are the natural enemies of songbirds, and are sometimes called nest-plunderers -when, then, for wellunderstood emotional reasons we interfere with such a biological balance, nobody subsequently wishes to take responsibility for the consequences.