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Men Tortora gik af, fordi Parlamentet på grundlag af Donnez' betænkning og med enstemmig støtte fra alle italienske medlemmer — selv politiske modstandere — mente, at man ikke kunne give denne tilladelse til at retsforfølge.
There you have it, Mr President, that explains the content of the report, and I hope that it will be approved by the whole House.
Ja, så snart vi afviste denne tilladelse til at retsforfølge, trak Tortora sig fra Parlamentet og gik i fængsel for at konfrontere netop de dommere, hvis adfærd har kastet skam på retfærdigheden og stadig gør det, som vi, som Parlamentet har kunnet konstatere vedrørende nogle dommere i Salerno, hvis adfærd ikke havde noget til fælles med blot en foregiven af retfærdighed.
WIJSENBEEK (LDR), chairman of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities. — (NL) Mr President, there are those who believe that a rule of procedure should be as short and as practical as possible.
En sådan adfærd var og er kriminel.
In fact, everyone is probably agreed on that.
Men kolleger som Sir James Scott-Hopkins og Lady Elles, som ikke er her mere, som også har forsøgt at gøre noget for at opnå et minimum af retfærdighed i visse henseender, blev klar over, at det ikke var muligt.
We are now dealing in the report by Mr Gil-Robles Gil-Delgado with a more detailed interpretation of a rule which, in itself, could have been made shorter and probably formulated more clearly.
Jeg selv har været vidne i en sag forbundet hermed, så at sige en af de utallige døde i en hel kæde forbundet med Tortora-sagen og bortførelsen af en vis hr. Cirillo.
The second group of questions relate to aspects which experience has shown give rise to technical difficulties.
Det passede ind i en operation organiseret af camorraen med støtte fra en del af dommerstanden, journalister og småpolitikere for at komme i besiddelse af tusinder af milliarder udbetalt i støtte til jordskælvsofrene. Alle vidnerne i denne sag er dog blevet myrdet.
There are in fact two issues here : first, the requirement that there should be a single vote on the proposed decision contained in the report has resulted in difficulties where the request relates to a variety of charges and the committee would be prepared to grant the request in respect of some but not others, but a single decision has to be taken.
For to år siden blev der for eksempel slået en læge ihjel, som ofte var kommet hos mig, altid ledsaget af de højeststående dommere: af chefen for undersøgelsesdommernes afdeling i Avellino, af den øverste offentlige anklager i Avellino, og napoletanske dommere fra kassationsretten. Selv om denne læge var — så at sige — svoger til broderen til chefen i Napoli, det vil sige præsidenten for Banco di Napoli, Ventrin, og, som jeg har fortalt, konstant var i selskab med dommere, har de napoletanske aviser ikke skrevet et ord, og man har heller ikke hørt nogen dommer i sagen.
Furthermore, in some instances, it has been necessary to waive the immunity of a Member in relation to the pursuit of legal proceedings but retain it in relation to custody or preventive detention and, therefore, Mr Donnez, whom I remember with gratitude, had almost to strain the interpretation of the Rules of Procedure to arrive at a difficult decision, in an Italian case in fact, which involved ensuring that the Member to whom the request referred was able to continue with his parliamentary activity, while allowing proceedings to continue.
I Napoli har vi til opgave et kontrollere overførslen af flere tusinde milliarder.
We feel that we are entitled to know whether we are being led up the garden path, as it were, or whether there is any serious intention of taking action against a Member.
Vi står over for en gruopvækkende kendsgerning: vi har endog dommere som betales med hundreder af millioner, for at overvåge camorraens og mafiaens kilder i koncessionerne!
Consequently, the extension proposed in the report by Mr Gil-Robles Gil-Delgado should have been added to the Rules of Procedure.
I betragtning af den italienske dommerstands adfærd sender vi faktisk ikke Giuliano Ferrara tilbage til den italienske justits, men til en bande camorrister, som bevidst fordrejer retsvæsenet.
The second point discussed, and which we are attempting to resolve here, concerns the time limits applying to the procedure. The third point is the secret ballot, though I think we all concur on that, but the time limits naturally remain something of a problem.
Gil-Robles Gil-Delgado (PPE), ordfører. — (ES) Hr. formand, forslaget om ændring af artikel 5 — som har været genstand for talrige drøftelser i Forretningsordensudvalget — har et tredobbelt indhold, som jeg skal forsøge at fremstille så kort og præcist som muligt.
Finally, there are what in fact amount to three much debated questions : the first, Mr Arbeloa's proposal that there should be a secret vote in these cases, as happens in certain Member States, although a minority of countries apply this system.
Dels åbnes der mulighed for i artikel 5 at indføje afgørelser og procedurer, som udvalget og Parlamentet har fastlagt i løbet af den foregående og den indeværende valgperiode vedrørende forskellige spørgsmål.
Therefore, Mr President, and after listening to the reasons advanced on both sides in committee, your rapporteur proposes not that the vote should be secret but that a secret vote may be requested.
For det første spørgsmålet om fristen for afgørelsen om anmodningen om ophævelse af immunitet.
And it seems to me that there is some confusion over this last point because even now a secret vote on requests can be asked for, but this has to be done in accordance with the general rule of one tenth of the House.
Den Juridiske Tjenestes fortolkning går ud på, at nationale retsbestemmelser om frist for godkendelse af anmodninger om ophævelse af immunitet ikke har gyldighed, for så vidt angår proceduren for ophævelse af immuniteten for Europa-Parlamentets medlemmer, af den simple grund at Parlamentet altid har tilstræbt at etablere et så ensartet system som muligt for medlemmerne, hvis udgangssituatio-
What your rapporteur is proposing is that, in such cases, we apply the general quorum of 23 Members which was introduced, during the last general revision of the Rules of Procedure, at the request of the Socialist group specifically and with the agreement of the other groups, for the majority of parliamentary initiatives and for the endorsement, among other things, of amendments. This would therefore be a midway solution between that of Mr Arbeloa and the current state of affairs.
Som tingene forholder sig, ville jeg gerne, at parlamentsudvalget, hr. Defraigne, forsøgte at finde frem til, hvad der er sket med alle de anmodninger om tilladelse til at retsforfølge, som er blevet fremsendt til Parlamentet.
When we say that we wish to resolve certain matters in one way or another, it does not necessarily mean that the other institutions or the national authorities will follow suit. I therefore believe that it would probably be more logical to have a new protocol included in the Treaty than to have our own extension made to the Rules of Procedure.
De beder om dem, for at man ikke skal give dem, så får de dem, og der føres ikke sag. Dette er en kendsgerning.
Second, we come to referral back to committee for fresh consideration.
De vil vise Italien, at jeg ikke vil lade mig retsforfølge, men i realiteten frygter de sagerne, fordi dommerne kan blive anklaget.
AGLIETTA (V). — (IT) Mr President, there is a point on which I do not agree, and that is that if the committee's proposal is rejected, it has to be referred back to committee.
Derfor er jeg enig og vil med stor overbevisning og også med smerte stemme for hr. Defraignes betænkning. ning.
It is true that this is a matter rightly outside the regulation and control of the groups, and there have therefore probably been problems both
Gil-Robles Gil-Delgado forkastelse af et forslag til beslutning ikke medfører, at det modsatte anses for vedtaget, men derimod medfører, at forslaget henvises til fornyet udvalgsbehandling én enkelt gang for at give udvalget mulig hed for atter at drøfte sagen på baggrund af nye argumenter.
AGLIETTA methods to make myself heard in the House. Instead, on 15 April, I tabled a proposal for amendment to the Rules of Procedure and Rule 5 thereof, requiring that the House should be informed of legal proceedings taken once parliamentary immunity had been waived.
Dette forslag fremsattes af udvalgets medlemmer i forbindelse med debatten om dette emne og er således ikke ordførerens forslag.
It was the right, if not the only, way of pointing out that the waiver of immunity does not constitute a judgment and that we are not a court of first instance.
ner er yderst forskelligartede. For det andet med hensyn til rækkefølgen af behandlingen af anmodninger om ophævelse af immunitet og repræsentationen af de pågældende medlemmer, eftersom det i praksis altid accepteres, at et medlem, hvis immunitet søges ophævet, kan lade sig repræsentere ved et andet medlem, ikke blot når han er underkastet frihedsberøvelse — som det anføres i forretningsordenens bestemmelse — men også når han selv er på fri fod. Og for det tredje indføjes de fortolkningsbestemmelser, der nu er skrevet med småt i artikel 5, stk. 4, i selve teksten.
within groups as well as between rapporteurs when the proposal is rejected in the House, but I nonetheless take the view that, precisely because the matter is a delicate one, that criterion must be maintained: new factors cannot emerge within the period of two months if the problem has been thoroughly examined, and the fact is that honourable Members have rejected a committee proposal in freedom of conscience.
Endelig hr. Caudrons forslag, der omhandler et forslag, som flere talere i dag har givet udtryk for ønske om at få gennemført, nemlig at parlamentsformanden kan anmode de kompetente nationale myndigheder om at blive holdt underrettet om de retsskridt og afgørelser, der træffes efter en ophævelse af den parlamentariske immunitet.
I do, however, agree on the question of the secret vote as well as the request for information on the action taken by Member States which request the waiver of parliamentary immunity ; this is an important factor which is not covered by our procedure in this particular area.
Hermed slutter jeg, hr. formand, idet jeg nu har forelagt betænkningens indhold, som jeg håber alle kan tilslutte sig.
I am therefore firmly opposed to Amendment No 5 which calls for re-examination in committee: I think that we should abide by the vote taken in the House where the vote is, of course, explained in absolute freedom of conscience.
Den anden gruppe spørgsmål udgøres af aspekter, som erfaringsmæssigt har givet anledning til tekniske vanskeligheder.
My own view is that in a democratic country where there is freedom of justice, there should be no parliamentary immunity.
Det drejer sig om to forhold: dels har bestemmelsen om, at der foretages samlet afstemning om forslaget til afgørelse i betænkningen givet anledning til vanskeligheder i de tilfælde, hvor anmodningen om ophævelse af immunitet bygger på flere anklagepunkter.
A member of parliament should, like all citizens, be directly responsible for his actions, be they written or spoken. Parliamentary immunity has, moreovet, become a ptivilege often misunderstood by public opinion.
Wijsenbeek (LDR), formand for Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlemmernes Immunitet. — (NL) Hr. formand, der er nogen, der mener, at en forretningsorden skal være så kort og så praktisk som mulig.
On behalf of the Socialist Group, I therefore approve the Gil-Robles report and in particular Amendment No 6 which takes up my proposal of 15 April 1991.
I sig selv kan enhver godt være enig i denne holdning.
PRESIDENT. — The debate is closed.
Vi synes således, at vi faktisk her har ret til at vide, om vi ikke, om jeg så må sige, bliver taget ved næsen, og om det virkelig seriøst er meningen, at en sådan anmodning imødekommes.
A3-0096/92) by Mr Beumer, on behalf of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy, on the amended proposal from the Commission to the Council (COM(89) 527 final — Doc.
Derfor burde denne udvidelse af forretningsordenen, som er omtalt i hr. Gil-Robles Gil-Delgados betænkning, foretages.
C3-0027/90) for a directive on the approximation of the rates of excise duty on alcoholic beverages and on the alcohol contained in other products.
Endelig er der tre mere omdiskuterede spørgsmål.
BEUMER (PPE), rapporteur. — (NL) Mr President, I believe that I can summarize my speech in six points.
Det første er hr. Arbeloas forslag om, at afstemningen er hemmelig, som tilfældet er i nogle medlems stater, om end de udgør et mindretal.
DILLEN (DR). — (NL) Mr President, the thought of waiving the parliamentary immunity of one Member may only be motivated from a neutral, impartial, nonpartisan point of view.
Efter at have drøftet grundene for og imod i udvalget foreslår ordføreren, ikke at afstemningen er hemmelig, men at der kan anmodes om hemmelig afstemning.
After all, parliamentary immunity is supposed to entail the protection of the political activities of a Member, whatever his political convictions and regardless of the group to which he belongs.
Det forekommer mig, at der gør sig en vis forvirring gældende med hensyn til dette punkt, eftersom der også efter de nugældende regler kan anmodes om hemmelig afstemning i forbindelse med behandling af anmodninger om ophævelse af immunitet, men hertil kræves en anmodning fra en tiendedel af medlemmerne.
This requires a display of strict honesty and also courtesy, sincerity and sportsmanship towards everyone, especially our opponents. Unfortunately, here in this House we have very recently experienced the contrary state of affairs more than once.
Forslaget er således et kompromis mellem hr. Arbeloas forslag og den nuværende situation. tion.
We hope that in the future improvements will be made in this area. These brief considerations fully explain why my group shall abstain on this issue.
Det andet punkt, som er kommet på tale, og som vi her forsøger at opstille regler for, er de frister, som der er for behandlingen.
The first point is that last month the Parliament, with a large majority, approved the structural report on alcohol presented by our colleague Bernard-Reymond, thereby laying the foundations for the entire decision making process.
Det tredje punkt er den hemmelige afstemning, den tror jeg ikke, at der er nogen uenighed om, men disse frister er naturligvis et problem.
Secondly, it has been decided that the difference in the fixing of tariffs between still and sparkling wines must be abolished.
For det andet spørgsmålet om henvisning til fornyet udvalgsbehandling.
At that time, the President of the House suddenly cut off my microphone and prevented me speaking, citing the Rules of Procedure.
Også på dette punkt drejer det sig om at tilnærme sig en generel ordning, hvorefter
I could, like some in this Chamber, have made a variety of references to the Rules of Procedure, introduced points of order or used other well known
Når vi siger, at vi vil opstille nogle regler for visse ting, er dermed endnu ikke sagt, at de andre institu-
That is also indicated in the amendments so it
De har skadet denne institutions og deres egen værdighed og troværdighed.
too can be carried over to other alcoholic beverages, spirits and intermediate products.
Vi håber, at der vil ske en bedring på dette område i fremtiden.
I would like to reiterate that Mrs Scrivener agreed last time to bring this opinion of the Parliament to the attention of the Council, although she herself did not wish to subscribe to it.
Disse korte betragtninger forklarer fuldt ud, hvorfor min gruppe hverken vil stemme for eller imod.
I would also like to point out that, following consultation with the Council, the Council has consented to look into this link.
(Bifald fra De Europæiske Højrepartiers Tekniske Gruppe) tioner eller de nationale myndigheder også gør det.
The second point is that my group is not satisfied with the decision taken by the Council last year because the Council chose to pre-empt a discussion in this House on minimum rates and it has effectively held a gun to the head of the Commission and prevented it, in my view, from giving strong support to the original document.
Jeg tror derfor, at det måske ville være mere nærliggende, at vi fik en ny protokol optaget i Traktaten, end at vi foretager en nærmere fortolkning af vor egen forretningsorden.
We are also less than satisfied with the rather facile response of the Commission in the face of the Council's decision last year.
Eftersom Rådet allerede i årevis har nægtet at vedtage en ny protokol, har vi som en begyndelse skrevet det i vor egen forretningsorden, og lad os håbe, at medlemsstaterne vil holde sig hertil.
Frankly I do not think that the statement by Mrs Scrivener last month is the sort of statement we would expect from a Commission which believes it is an equal partner in the institutional arrangements of the European Community.
Lynhurtigt blev jeg afbrudt af Parlamentets formand, der med henvisning til forretningsordenen fratog mig ordet og mikrofonen.
Fourthly, the definitive vote on tariffs in this House did not result in a coherent handling of the subject.
Jeg kunne, som det gøres af så mange her, have benyttet henvisninger og bemærkninger til forretningsordenen eller andre velkendte midler til påkaldelse af medlemmernes opmærksomhed.
For wine, the original Commission proposals were followed, while in the case of intermediate products and similar beverages only half the Commission proposals were followed, the end effect being an image of an unacceptable relationship between the different tariffs and the different alcoholic beverages.
Jeg foretrak imidlertid den 15. april at fremsætte et forslag om ændring af forretningsordenens artikel 5, hvori det krævedes, at Parlamentet underrettes om de retslige følger af ophævelsen af den parlamentariske immunitet.
The fifth point is that, as a consequence, the economic committee argues unanimously in favour of accepting either all four Commission proposals or half of them.
Det er det rette om ikke det eneste middel til at gøre opmærksom på, at ophævelse af immuniteten ikke er en dom, og at vi ikke er dommere i første instans.
This would then have to be done in a block vote as provided for in the new Rules of Procedure, on the basis of Article 92(3), if I am not mistaken.
Immunitetens ophævelse er ret og slet en mulighed, der indrømmes retsvæsenet, så det kan dømme et parlamentsmedlem.
Incidentally, it would in any case give the Parliament an opportunity to make a coherent statement, which is important in this case.
Aglietta (V). — (IT) Hr. formand, på et punkt er jeg ikke enig, og det er, at i tilfælde af forkastelse af udvalgets forslag, skal dette drøftes på ny i udvalget.
In summary, my group believes that we have to have a link between wine and beer; that we have to have special arrangements for cider ; that we have to drop the difference between still wine and sparkling wine.
På dette punkt, som ikke blot ikke vil fremskynde eller forbedre vort arbejde, men heller ikke de forslag og løsninger, der vedtages, kan jeg slet ikke være enig.
But in the final vote, my group will still support the original position of the Commission.
Jeg er dog enig vedrørende spørgsmålet om den hemmelige afstemning samt undersøgelse af den opfølgning, der er sket i de medlemsstater, som anmoder om ophævelse af parlamentsimmuniteten·.
We would urge the Commission not to simply cave in under the pressure from the European Council.
Dette er faktisk et vigtigt element, som mangler i vor procedure på dette specifikke område.
If that position is not accepted by this House then we will reluctantly accept the compromise that has been set down by the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy.
Jeg er derfor fuldstændig imod ændringsforslag nr. 5, hvor man anmoder om fornyet udvalgsbehandling: Jeg tror, man skal overlade det til parlamentets afstemning, forudsat at dette tydeligvis handler med fuld samvittighedsfrihed.
As rapporteur, I must say that I reject all the other amendments on tariffs except those included in the two proposals mentioned. Apart from the amendments on tariffs, all the amendments proposed by the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy are obviously acceptable to me, as rapporteur, and I recommend them accordingly.
Personligt er jeg for øvrigt af den opfattelse, at den parlamentariske immunitet ikke mere burde eksistere i et demokratisk land med et frit retsvæsen.
PORTO (LDR). — (PT) In last month's sitting I already had an opportunity to express my disagreement concerning an essential point in the proposal for a directive under consideration: the lack of any serious contribution with a view to fiscal harmonization and approximation, since there is no maximum tax rate and it is now being proposed to even do without an objective tax system.
Et parlamentsmedlem burde som enhver anden borger være umiddelbart ansvarlig for sine handlinger, skrifter eller udtalelser. Den parlamentariske immunitet er for øvrigt blevet til et af den offentlige mening hyppigt misforstået privilegium.
Since any country, especially one which does not produce any alcoholic beverages, can increase taxes as it sees fit, the road to greater separation and obvious protectionism remains open, to the detriment of those countries which do produce them.
Men når det er sagt, er den fremdeles »lov« for os, og derfor er det for mig et fremskridt, at Parlamentet underrettes om de retsuge følger af enhver ophævelse af immunitet.
Finally, I would like to refer back to the spoken promise given by Mrs Scrivener via the European Commission to keep the Parliament informed during the ongoing decisionmaking process and also to give her final verdict on the entire package as ultimately presented by the Council.
Det vil i fremtiden forhindre verbale manøvrer af enhver art — især fra Parlamentets højreekstremisters side.
The Commissioner also said that, if necessary, she is prepared to make a statement to this House as soon, of course, as the Council has presented the entire package.
På Den Socialistiske Gruppes vegne tilslutter jeg mig altså Gil-Robles-betænkningen og især ændringsforslag nr. 6, som genoptager mit forslag af 15. april 1991.
In short, the question is which people and what interests are served by this directive.
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
DONNELLY (S). — Mr President, I do not intend to completely re-run all the arguments we had in the last debate in the House on this matter, but on behalf of my group I would like to deal with a number of issues and perhaps to reiterate some very, very important points.
Dillen (DR). — (NL) Hr. formand, når man overvejer at ophæve et medlems parlamentariske immunitet, må det kun være på grundlag af en neutral, upartisk, ikke-fanatisk holdning.
It has emerged, as many Members of this House will know, that in fact what we are dealing with here is an internal market measure.
Ophævelsen må kun vedrøre ikke-politiske handlinger eller forbrydelser, der henhører under den almindelige straffe ret.
Yet we have only one opportunity to debate this issue.
Den parlamentariske immunitet bør jo indebære en beskyttelse af et medlems politiske arbejde, uanset vedkommendes politiske overbevisning, uanset hvilken gruppe vedkommende tilhører.
In future the Council should be prepared to admit and accept that if we are not dealing with a proper harmonization of rates and duties, but with an internal market measure, then we should have a proper Parliamentary procedure to deal with it.
Vi har desværre for nylig oplevet det modsatte mere end én gang her i Parlamentet.
For the future of our working relationships in the European Parlia