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Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er anden del af spørgetiden indtil kl. 20.00.
Resolution Doc. A2-374/88, Minutes of 15 March 1989, Part II.
Spørgsmål nr. 53 af Lalor (H-192/89):
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Jeg er imod denne betænkning og for Kommissionens forslag og så sandelig ikke den eneste i min gruppe, der tænker således.
Will the Foreign Ministers make a demarche to these seven governments ?
Cresson, formand for Rådet. — (FR) Rådet skal minde om, at det i artikel 12 i Rådets direktiv 87/601 /EØF af 14. december 1987 om billetpriser for ruteflyvning mellem medlemsstaterne er bestemt, at Rådet skal træffe afgørelse om revision af direktivet senest den 30. juni 1990 på grundlag af et forslag fra Kommissionen, der skal forelægges inden den 1. november 1989.
Both these matters will be the subject of draft resolutions which are to be discussed within the 3rd Commission of the 44th UN General Assembly.
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Question No 74, by Mr Alavanos
synes, det er at gøre nar af Parlamentets medlemmer og deres rettigheder, og i stedet for en forhandling på 5 minutter havde det været bedre helt at undlade denne og besvare alle spørgsmål skriftligt.
In view of the fact that if the entire international Community supported the Secretary-General's efforts to Turkish Cypriot party, do the Foreign Ministers meeting in Political Cooperation intend to confirm their support for these talks under the aegis of the UN Secretary-General and make the necessary representations to the Turkish authorities ?
Formanden. — De har helt ret, hr. Dessylas.
The Twelve's concern for a just and lasting settlement of the Cypriot question is well known to the European Parliament.
Vi beklager alle denne situation, og vi undskylder os over for fru Cresson, som kunne have besvaret vore spørgsmål.
Speaking to the UN General Assembly on 26 September 1989, the President of the Council and European political cooperation reiterated the Community's unchanging stance on Cyprus, which is a member of the European family of nations.
Europa-Parlamentet er anmodet om at afgive sin udtalelse inden årets udgang.
On behalf of the Twelve he also called on all parties to cooperate with the Secretary-General and his special representative in order to overcome the existing obstacles and to reopen a dialogue.
Det er en situation, som formandskabet som bekendt desværre ikke har nogen indvirkning på.
Question No 75, by Mr Ford (H-282/89)
Vi vil i Præsidiet undersøge, hvordan vi vil kunne genoptage denne Spørgetid.
Is any action being taken for her return to her family in London ?
Sir James Scott-Hopkins (ED). — (EN) Jeg takker rådsformanden, fordi hun er forblevet i vor midte til trods for al den ballade, der har forsinket mødets afvikling.
Since the question put by the honourable Member falls within a Member State's sphere of competence, it has not been dealt with in the context of European political cooperation.
Lalor (RDE). — (EN) Jeg vil gerne takke rådsformanden for svaret; det glæder mig, at Rådet agter at gå i aktion.
Question No 76, by Mrs Dury (H-147/89) Subject: Poisoning of Kurdish refugees in the Mardin camp in Turkish Kurdistan
Hun oplyste, at Kommissionen har forelagt et forslag om billetpriser.
On 10 June 1989 at the Mardin camp, in which there are nearly 16 000 Iraqi Kurds, the Turkish authorities served poisened food which affected 4000 of the refugees.
Jeg vil gerne i den forbindelse spørge rådsformanden, om hun i fuld alvor mener, at et dokument om billetpriser er tilstrækkeligt og vil sætte Rådet i stand til at udvikle billigere lufttransport?
15 people have been paralysed, 50 are in a critical condition and the other are seriously ill, suffering from diarrhoea and skin swellings and vomiting blood.
Vil Kommissionens forslag gøre det muligt for Rådet at give os og Europas befolkning billigere billetter?
None of these people was taken to hospital.
Mon rådsformanden kunne give et lidt mere opmuntrende svar?
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Mener hun ikke, at den letteste måde at få priserne ned på er at gennemføre fuld liberalisering inden for luftfarten?
Has this matter been referred to the Ministers meeting in political ccoperation and have they been able to make investigations to verify the above information ?
Ville det ikke være den bedste løsning at overlade det til de forskellige flyselskaber at lave deres egne billetstrukturer?
Has any contact been made with the Turkish Government with a view to finding a humane solution to this serious Kurdish refugee problem ?
Jeg vil blot gerne minde om. at den afgørelse, der vil blive truffet, i vid udstrækning afhænger af de forslag, der forelægges af Kommissionen.
The Community is keen to help these people as much as it can and has authorized emergency aid of 500 000 ECU.
Men for øjeblikket afventer vi disse for slag.
It would of course be ready to do more, in agreement with the Turkish authorities and in accordance with established procedures.
Formanden. — Da spørgeren ikke er til stede, vil spørgsmål nr. 54 blive besvaret skriftligt ').
With reference to the specific matter raised by the honourable Member, the Twelve have no information which implicates the authorities of the host country in the food poisoning which affected 750 of the 16 000 refugees in the Mardin camp.
Fru Cresson kan ikke være til stede efter kl. 20.00. Vi takker hende meget for at være blevet her indtil nu1)-).
Question No 77, by Mr Lalor (H-185/89) Subject : Lebanon and the Committee of Three Heads of State
Dessylas (CG). — (GR) Fru formand, dette er en alvorlig krænkelse af parlamentsmedlemmernes demokratiske rettigheder i forbindelse med Spørgetiden. I går fik vi en time og 45 minutter med spørgsmål til Kommissionen.
The progress made by the Committee of Three since the honourable Member put his question is well known : the ceasefire in Beirut, which began three weeks ago and which we all earnestly hope will last, the lifting of the blockades and, above all, the meeting of an overwhelming majority of Lebanese parliamentarians in the city of Taif to discuss the reform of the Lebanese constitution.
Spørgetiden blev for kortet, kommissærerne stoppede efter at have behandlet kun 16 spørgsmål ud af 50.
The Twelve have constantly supported the work of the tripartite committee established by the Arab summit in Casablanca and have encouraged it to persevere with its difficult task.
Og i dag. hvor vi skulle have halvanden time til 30 spørgsmål til Rådet, ender det med, at vi kun får 5 minutter. Jec
Through the intermediary of the presidency they have repeatedly urged all the parties involved in the crisis to help reach a settlement.
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— Det sydlige
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FORSÆDE: BARON CRESPO
IN THE CHAIR : MR BARON CRESPO
(Modet åbnet kl. 10.15)
President (The sitting opened at 10.15 a.m.)
Det burde bevæge ham til beskedenhed.
Parliamentary responsibilities.
Men. mine damer og herrer, det er ikke muligt uden på samme tid at krænke Deres samvittighed og selve Parlamentets grundlag.
But, ladies and gentlemen, that is not possible without going against both your consciences and the very foundations of Parliament.
Vi er her som repræsentanter for millioner af vælgere, ligesom enhver af Dem. og vi har de samme rettigheder som De.
We are the representatives here of millions of electors, like each one of you, and we have the same rights as you.
Den proces, man har sat i gang mod os på det politiske plan. er fuldstændig ubegrundet.
The accusation made against us in the political field is entirely baseless.
Der er ingen, der for alvor tror. at vi er fascister eller nazister.
Nobody really believes that we are fascists or Nazis.
( Protest fra venstre)
(Protests from the left)
Men jeg konstaterer, at der findes en veritabel afdrift, der samtidig er autoritær, ja endda en totalitær risiko her i Parlamentet. Et fremherskende parti synes at ville udøve et herredømme, i øvrigt takket være, må man sige, resten af forsamlingens passivitet.
No doubt there was a wish to conceal what sparked these incidents off, because every crisis of course has its causes and I think that these have their roots in the malfunctioning of this Assembly and in the fact that its constitution and its law are not respected.
Det er en politisk kampform, der må fordømmes på det skarpeste, for den er begrundet i en løgn.
These tactics of political warfare are thoroughly reprehensible because they are based on a falsehood.
Men under alle omstændigheder har vi her de samme rettigheder som De. og når reglen er. at det er efter aftale, man fordeler formandsposterne i udvalg eller posterne i Parlamentets Præsidium eller formand sposterne i delegationerne, så er det ikke muligt at lade dette aftalesystem gælde for alle undtagen os. For når De gør det. mine damer og herrer, går De endnu en gang imod Parlamentets interesser.
But in any case we have the same rights here as you, and when it is provided that the chairmen of committees ot members of the Bureau of Parliament are to be appointed by consensus it is not possible to apply the system of consensus to everyone but us, because, ladies and gentlemen, once again in doing that you are going against the interests of this Parliament.
Andre parlamenter har været ude for udskejelser som denne.
Other Parliaments have experienced such lapses.
Jeg kan f.eks. nævne den måde. der klart var den samme som den. man behandler os på. nemlig den de socialdemokratiske medlemmer blev behandlet på i den tyske rigsdag i 1933.
I might quote for example the way in which Social Democrat Members in the Reichstag of 1933 were treated, which is very similar to the way we are being treated.
(Protest fra venstre — Bifald fra De Højrepartiets Tekniske Gruppe i
(Protests from the left and applause from the benches of the European Right)
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Our law is the Rules of Procedure.
89 således at forsamlingen så hurtigt som muligt kan drøfte en styrkelse af sanktionerne imod opsætsige medlemmer, så at det reelt bliver muligt at hånd hæve ordenen i forsamlingen.
That should encourage him to be modest.
Det drejer sig her om forretningsordensbestemmelser, der også findes i størsteparten af vore nationale parlamenters forret ningsordener.
I should like to remind the President that strict observance of the Rules of Procedure is essential for the proper working of our Assembly.
Jeg mener i særdeleshed, at sanktioner af økonomisk art kunne bidrage til overvejelser hos de svage i ånden.
Mr Cot stated that he wanted to punish our Parliamentary Group and to exclude it from European
Cot (S). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg tager ordet til forretningsordenen. Jeg vil gerne straks fra begyn delsen minde om, at vor grundlov er demokratiet, at vor lov er friheden.
COT (S). — (FR) Mr President, 1 wish to refer to the Rules of Procedure, but I should first like to point out that our constitution is democracy and our law is liberty.
For der fandt i går i forsamlingen en grov forstyrrelse sted, for at bruge vendingen i artikel 87, som var et angreb ikke bare på vor institutions værdighed, men på selve de demokratiets principper, som vi står til regnskab for.
I wish to make a few remarks about Rule 87, because yesterday saw a serious case of disorder, to quote Rule 87, reflecting not only on the dignity of the institution but also affecting the very principles of democracy to which we are accountable.
Det er her et spørgsmål om fundamentale værdier, som kræver en reaktion — og en fast reaktion — fra vor side.
This is a problem of basic values which we must tackle — and tackle energetically.
Det er hele vor institutions funktion, der står på spil, og jeg takker Dem, hr. formand, fordi De under Deres formandskab i går forsvarede vor institution.
The whole working of our institution is at stake and I thank you, Mr President, for
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Når det er sagt, må vi nu gå videre frem.
Having said that, we must go further.
Det er nødvendigt, at forsamlingen reelt udstyrer sig med midler til at reagere i en sådan situation.
Our Assembly must provide itself effectively with the means to deal with such a situation.
Jeg vil ønske, hr. formand, at følgende forslag tages under overvejelse.
I should like the following suggestions to be considered, Mr President.
Endelig, og for det fjerde, anmoder jeg allerede nu om anvendelse af artikel 87 over for hr. Antony og hr. Gollnisch.
SCHÖNHUBER (DR). — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, Voltaire once said that the sin against the spirit begins with the word, and I would ask you, and especially my German colleagues, to read page 9 of the Minutes where it says that because the DR group ganged up with Mr Gollnisch, the President decided to convene the College of Quaestors and to suspend the sitting.
Det er ganske klart, at de provokerede en meget grov forstyrrelse af mødet.
Ladies and gentlemen, ganging up is what criminals do. We are no criminals.
Jeg vil ønske, hr. formand, at De kan anvende de beføjelser, De har, eventuelt efter samråd med Præsidiet, til alle rede nu at iværksætte udelukkelse, i to eller fem dage, af vore to kolleger.
Mr Cot may use that kind of language, but it is not the language of democrats and we protest at being described as some kind of criminals.
For det første skal Deres afgørelser kunne respekteres retligt og materielt.
First, your decisions must be respected in law and in practice.
Retligt er de blevet det, og jeg har bemærket, at protokollen faktisk har taget påberåbelsen af artikel 86 til følge, sådan som De besluttede i går, og at man fra det øjeblik, da De traf beslutningen, ikke har noteret stemmetallene for dem, der midlertidigt blev udelukket fra mødet i aftes.
In law they were, and I noted that the Minutes did in fact follow Rule 86 in not recording, in accordance with your decision and from the time you took it, the votes of those who were temporally excluded from yesterday evening's sitting.
Men materielt har det ikke været tilfældet.
But in practice your decisions were not respected.
Materielt modsatte to af vore kolleger og repræsentanterne for deres gruppe sig deres udelukkelse, og det er en fornærmelse, en åbenlys fornærmelse af forsamlingen.
In practice two of our colleagues and the representatives of their Group opposed their exclusion, which was a palpable insult to our Assembly.
Vi er ikke forbrydere. Det kan være hr. Cots sprog, men det er ikke demokraters sprog, og vi protesterer imod her at blive nedgjort næsten som forbrydere.
The Minutes do not mention that our two friends were physically attacked.
Også det er et faktum, som verdens offentligheden skal have at vide.
That too is a fact that should be brought to the attention of world opinion.
Noter Dem, at hverken socialisterne eller kommunisterne og slet ikke en hr. Cot skal tvinge os i knæ.
Let me tell you, neither the Socialists, nor the Communists, will force us to our knees, and certainly not someone like Mr Cot.
Det vil jeg gerne understrege.
(Applause from the Group of the European
For det andet er det indlysende, at vor forretningsorden skal styrkes.
We cannot continue to operate if the decisions of the President are set at naught in this way.
Jeg skulle allerede i september udarbejde forslag i den retning.
That is intolerable, unacceptable, I would say, in any de mocratic assembly.
Listen over interne disciplinære sanktioner i forretningsordenen er utilstrækkelig, og det fik vi i aftes et iøjnefaldende bevis på. Jeg beder derfor Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Medlemmernes Immunitet og Valgs Prøvelse om hurtigst muligt at tage dette spørgsmål op,
I hope, therefore, that in future steps will be taken to ensure that the decisions of the President, who is the President of all of us and whom we must in any case respect, are effectively applied in practice, which means no doubt reviewing the provisions regarding the conduct of sittings and if necessary giving Parliament the necessary means of applying this Rule, because of course I am not advocating intervention from outside the institution.
Verde I Aldea (S). — (ES) Hr. formand, mit indlæg vedrører protokollen, nærmere bestemt bilaget med afstemningerne ved navn.
VERDE I ALDEA (S). — (ES) Mr President, my speech was about the Minutes, in fact the annex referring to the rollcall votes.
Under en afstemning om formiddagen sagde jeg, da jeg ikke var i besiddelse af mit afstemningskort, at jeg ville stemme imod.
In a vote held in the morning my voting card was not available and I indicated that I was voting against.
Det drejer sig om afstemningen kl. 9.10 om en af
That was the vote held at 9.10 a.m. on one of the objections.
Jeg anmoder om, at det noteres, at jeg deltog i denne afstemning.
I should like it to be noted that I voted in that way.
Formanden. foretaget.
Secondly it is clear that our Rules must be strengthened.
at se på muligheden for at udarbejde regler, der enten kan kontrollere de udefra kommende fjernsynskameraers aktiviteter eller om nødvendigt helt udelukke dem.
I had occasion to make some proposals on this matter in September.
Vi har jo en glimrende intern tjene ste, der står for en ordentlig reportage.
The list of internal disciplinary sanctions in our Rules is insufficient, as was clearly proved yesterday evening.
Den anden bemærkning, jeg vil komme med i forbindelse med forretningsordenen generelt, er, at der ikke i forret ningsordenen overhovedet er nogen tale om fjernsynskameraers tilstedeværelse i salen.
I therefore ask the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities to take this matter up as soon as possible so that Parliament may discuss without delay strengthen ing the penalties against recalcitrant Members so that order may be preserved in our Assembly.
Jeg vil bede Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Medlemmernes Immunitet og Valgs Prøvelse om at se på det.
These are decisions under the Rules such as figure in the rules of procedure of most of our national parliaments.
Formanden. — Dette spørgsmål er ved at blive drøftet i Det Udvidede Præsidium, og Kvæstorkollegiet vil forelægge en rapport.
I think in particular that financial penalties would perhaps be the way to make the thoughtless think.
Barzanti (GUE). — (IT) Hr. formand, det fremgår af protokollen fra i mandags, at forslaget fra Kom missionen vedrørende EUROTECNET II-program-met er henvist til Udvalget om Sociale Anliggender som korresponderende udvalg, og kun til Udvalget om Ungdom, Kultur, Uddannelse, Medier og Sport som medvirkende rådgivende udvalg.
BARZANTI (GUE). — (IT) Mr President, Monday's Minutes state that, in regard to the proposal from the Commission concerning the Eurotecnet II programme, the Committee on Youth was asked only for an opinion.
Flere kolleger, også i udvalget, ønsker, at der sker en ændring, således at Udvalget om Ungdom og Kultur bliver korresponderende udvalg, mens Udvalget om Sociale Anliggender bliver medvirkende rådgivende udvalg, eftersom programmet tager sigte på en til pasning af uddannelsessystemerne til udviklingen af ny teknologi.
Various honourable Members, including Members of the Committee, are asking for this attribution of responsibilities to be altered — that is to say, that the Committee on Youth be appointed the Committee responsible, and the Committee on Social Affairs be asked only for an opinion, in consideration of the fact that the programme aims to adapt the education and training systems to new technological developments.
Det gør heller ikke hr. Cox' kommentarer.
It will be considered in the enlarged Bureau.
Formanden. — Fru Daly, jeg sagde på dette tids punkt til fru Maij-Weggen, at hun ikke havde været genstand for et personligt angreb, og jeg gav hende ordet.
Fourthly, and finally, I propose that Rule 87 be applied forthwith to Mr Antony and Mr Gollnisch.
De vil sikkert kunne forstå, at medlemmernes ret til at påbegynde en improviseret debat bør være foreneligt med Parlamentets gode orden.
They have very clearly caused serious disorder in the Chamber. I
Gollnisch (DR). — (FR) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, begrebet forstyrrelse i en forsamling er et overordentlig relativt begreb.
DALY (ED). — Mr President, on the Minutes.
Er det måske ikke det forhold, at en bemærkning til forretningsordenen om et så vigtigt spørgsmål, hr. formand, er forblevet ubesvaret?
Mr Muntingh's comments at the beginning of yesterday morning's proceedings are recorded in full, but in fact, Mrs Maij-Weggen, on whom a very serious personal attack was made, defended herself and that is not in the Minutes.
Artiklerne 107 og 108 drejer sig om de officielle referater af møderne.
Both of those people were actually cut off by you, Mr President.
Artikel 87 giver Dem jo ret til at tildele mig en irettesættelse, men under det mødes forløb som vi. hr. Antony og jeg. formodedes at have forstyrret groft.
The microphone was taken away from them, I think very unfairly and undemocratically. But I do think
Det er allerede to hundrede år siden, guillotinen begyndte at fungere, og hr. Cot ville gøre klogt i at gå i gang med en smertelig nytænkning.
PRESIDENT. — Mrs Daly, I indicated to Mrs Maij-Weggen that she had not been the subject of personal remarks and I gave her the floor.
Har hans parti ikke gennem årene været den konstante følge svend for det kommunistiske parti, der hele tiden og overalt har etableret gulag, den uovervindelige horisont for det moderne slaveri?
As you will appreciate, we have to strike a balance between the right of Members to start impromptu debates and the smooth running of the Assembly.
anvende denne artikel 87.
Finally, Mr President, you very wisely preferred to close your eyes to our presence and not to apply Rule 87.
Hr. Cot glemmer, for han misfortolker det, at det ikke tilkommer ham, der er formand for en gruppe og ikke har mere at skulle have sagt end en hvilken som helst af os andre, at foreslå anvendelse af artikel 87. Det er hos Dem og Dem alene, initiativet ligger.
Mr Cot is forgetting, because he misread the Rule, that it is not for him, as Chairman of a political Group and with no more authority than any of us in this respect, to propose that Rule 87 be applied.
De gjorde det ikke, og jeg kan ikke se, hvordan man kan anvende denne artikel med tilbagevirkende kraft.
You did not take it, and I do not see how that Rule can be applied retroactively.
(Munterhed)
I have not taken bribes.
Tillad mig afslutningsvis, for så vidt angår den opfordring om undertrykkelse, som ikke overrasker os fra det parti af lærere, eller rettere kostskoleinspektører, som Det Socialistiske Parti er, at sige, at hr. Cot har fundet argumentet, nemlig at forsøge at ramme os på tegnebogen. Men det vil jeg være smigret over, hr. Cot.
CASSIDY (ED). — Mr President, I wish to raise a point of order under Rule 86 and under Rules 107 and 108, Rule 86 refers to order in the Chamber.