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Jeg skal ikke kommentere den konkrete sag, som hr. Marshall har nævnt, men jeg vil minde om, at den bevægelse, som vi på det seneste har set i sovjetisk politik, bl.a. er et resultat af pres fra verdensoffentligheden.
In other words, if they cannot be present — and I do not expect Luxembourg mine sweepers to be sent there in the immediate future — will they be aware of what it costs with a view perhaps later on to sharing those costs amongst the Twelve?
Denne kursændring har de sovjetiske ledere afgjort ikke foretaget for vores skyld.
Mr and Mrs Vladimir Tufeld first applied to leave Russia for Israel in 1977.
De har foretaget den, fordi det tilsyneladende er ved at lykkes os at overbevise dem om, at den hidtidige praksis ikke har været i deres egen interesse.
Their son and daughter-in-law are living in Israel. As they have suffered from ill health, is not this case yet another example of Russia's inhumanity?
Arbeloa Muru (S). — (ES) Som kommende medlem af den delegation, som jeg håber snart vil blive oprettet for Europa-Parlamentets forbindelser med Sovjetunionen, deltog jeg i flere af møderne med den dele gation, som besøgte os for nogle dage siden.
TYGESEN. — (DA) To begin with I must point out, in case anyone should think differently, that there can be no doubt as to the firm line taken by the Twelve on the question of protecting freedom of navigation in the Gulf. It has been reaffirmed many times.
Tygesen. — Når hr. Duetoft spørger på den måde, er jeg nødt til at sige: Nej, på den måde har vi ikke forhandlet disse ting.
The Twelve follow very attentively developments in the Soviet Union's attitude to emigration.
Som hr. Duetoft sikkert ved, har det taget Sovjetunionen umådeligt mange år at komme til den erkendelse, at Fællesskabet eksisterer.
They note that in recent times there has been a certain increase in the number of Jews and members of other ethnic minorities who have been allowed to leave the Soviet Union.
Men som det er fremgået af de andre svar, jeg har givet, opretholder vi uafhængigt heraf det fulde pres på Sovjetunionen for mere menneskelige vilkår for landets egne borgere og for, at Sovjetunionen fuldt ud lever op til de løfter, som det selv frivilligt har indgået, og som det derfor også må opfylde.
And the Twelve expect that all countries which voluntarily enter into international obligations unstintingly honour those obligations and fulfil them.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 69 af Ulburghs (H515/87):
MARSHALL (ED). — Would the Foreign Minister agree that this particular case will lead many outside
Om: Hélène Passtoors' fortsatte fangenskab i Sydafrika I begyndelsen af september blev nederlænderen Klaas De Jonge sat på fri fod efter en fangeudveksling.
ALAVANOS (COM). — (GR) As recent events show, the presence, above all, of American naval forces, but also of similar forces from certain Community coun tries, rather than helping to protect freedom of navigation in the Gulf is actually raising the tension to break ing point and maximizing the danger to shipping.
Har udenrigsministrene anmodet Perus regering om at garantere alle fangers sikkerhed, også selv om de befinder sig under hemmelig bevogtning, at beordre til grundige undersøgelser omkring »opdagelsen« af mange lig, at gennemføre ud tømmende og selvstændige retsundersøgelser og efterforske år sagerne til omstændighederne omkring disse dødsfald?
Marshall continue to be exerted, the Council could not draw greater attention to the fact that certain Christian denominations, such as the Baptists, are still being per secuted in the most inhumane manner, and if it would not be appropriate for us to exert pressure in such cases as well, if only to indicate a way to remedy the situation.
Ulburghs (CTDI). — (NL) Mener rådsformanden, at Hélène Passtoors har udført strafbare handlinger, og hvilke skridt agter han at tage over for sin udenrigsministerkollega i Belgien for at opnå løsladelse af Hélène Passtoors?
Does he not regard it as disgraceful that a family should be divided for more than 10 years, that grandparents should have been prevented for five years from seeing their grandchild and that a couple should have to wait over 10 years for an exit visa from the Soviet Union despite ill health?
For ikke kun at henvise til det gamle svar kan jeg dog sige, at den uafhængige komités rapport om El Fron-tón-begivenhedeme ifølge vore oplysninger skulle foreligge i begyndelsen af november.
Can we have a guarantee from him that he will make representations to the Russian authorities asking that this particular family be given an exit visa posthaste?
Arbeloa Muru (S). — (ES) Jeg kan ikke gøre andet end at sige Dem tak, hr. rådsformand; og jeg vil være så venlig ikke at stille Dem yderligere spørgsmål.
TYGESEN. — (DA) I would say to Mr Habsburg that the entire CSCE process also comprises an element which is concerned with religious freedom and that this points precisely in the direction you ask about.
Formanden. — Da spørgerne ikke er til stede, vil spørgsmål nr. 71 og 72 blive besvaret skriftligt (').
On the second point I would say that I think we should see the entire Vienna Conference in this perspective as the place at which we maintain our pressure on the Soviet Union for more humanitarian conditions.
McMahon (S). — (EN) I sin programtale oplyste det danske formandskab Parlamentet om, at det højlydt ville gå imod apartheid i Sydafrika.
TYGESEN. — (DA) I would like to say at the outset that my earlier answer should not be misinterpreted, because I fully understand Mr Marshall's scepticism over progress in the CSCE process and East-West relations generally.
Hvilke demarcher har Rådet rettet med hensyn til undtagelsestilstanden i dette land?
On the other hand we ourselves should remember that we have become involved in a long-range process.
Er det gået i brechen for løsladelse af Nelson Mandela og nogle af de andre fængslede?
We must exert pressure and continue to exert pressure.
Hvilke foranstaltninger har det truffet for at beskytte EF-borgere og f. eks. Cabisco Trust, der blev oprettet med fællesskabsmidler?
It may occasionally seem as though our arguments are lost on the other side, but experience has shown that our arguments do have an effect — if they are properly formulated and presented.
Den præst, der organiserede det, har fået sit kontor og sine arkiver gen nemrodet af det hemmelige sydafrikanske politi. Hvilke foranstaltninger vil Rådet træffe for at beskytte EF-investeringer til humanitære formål i Den Syd afrikanske Republik?
I will not comment on the concrete instance raised by Mr Marshall, but I would remind him that the movement we have seen just recently in Soviet policy is, amongst other things, the result of pressure from world public opinion.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er re degørelse af formanden for Kommissionen om kurs faldet på børserne.
They made it because we were apparently successful in convincing them that their past practice was not in their own interest.
Delors, formand for Kommissionen. — (FR) Hr. for mand, mine damer og herrer, Kommissionen takker Parlamentet for at have fået lejlighed til at drøfte de begivenheder, der foruroliger både Dem og os.
ARBELOA MURU (S). — (ES) As a member of what will, I hope, soon be the Delegation of the European Parliament to the Soviet Union, I took part in various meetings with their delegation when they made a welcome visit here a few days ago.
Tygesen. — Dette spørgsmål er næsten så stort, at det er vanskeligt at håndtere i dette format.
TYGESEN. — (DA) The way Mr Duetoft puts his question obliges me to say: no, we have not conducted negotiations on those lines.
Der er rettet nogle demarcher i menneskerettighedsspørgsmål, også under det danske formandskab.
As Mr Duetoft is no doubt aware, it has taken the Soviet Union an incredible number of years to recognize that the Community exists.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 70 af Arbeloa Muru (H-189/87):
PRESIDENT. — Question No 69, by Mr Ulburghs (H-515/87):
Om: Undersøgelse af begivenhederne i juni 1986 i Peru
Subject: Continuing imprisonment of Hélène Pas stoors in South Africa
Indledningsvis tillader jeg mig med henvisning til Europas historie at sige, at Europa, dersom det ikke bevidst påvirker historien, selv påvirkes af den.
TYGESEN. — (DA) It was only a fortnight ago that this visit took place, and I am not acquainted with any specific action which resulted from it.
Vil Europa påtage sig dette, medens det endnu har mulighed for at give udtryk for sin vilje til at overleve og for sin sans for sit ansvar i verden, medens gældsætningen fort-
It is a country in which — as I said earlier — the process unfolds very slowly and, if we want the process to continue in the direction we desire, we have to sustain our pressure.
Men er det tilstræk keligt?
I can not say any more about this.
På det monetære plan lykkedes det os efter 1985 at opnå to forbedringer af Det Europæiske Monetære System.
orities to make a full investigation into the human rights violations committed during and after the prison riots of June 1986 and, above all, to explain the 'disappearance' of the prisoners of El Frontón?
Og De kan regne med, at den sidste, som opnåedes i Nyborg, kommer på en hård prøve i for bindelse med dollarens nuværende fald. Men vi fik ingen politisk opbakning af ECU'ens udvikling, og den private ECU's rolle er praktisk talt gået tilbage det sidste par år, medens den burde være frem.
Have the Ministers asked the Peruvian Government to guarantee the safety of all prison ers still being held in secret, to order a thorough investigation into the 'discovery" of more bodies, to carry out exhaustive and independent forensic examinations, and to enquire into the causes and circumstances of the deaths?
Tilgiv mig dette ubeskedne — det er mine egne ord — fra september 1983, men jeg har ikke haft tid til at finde noget andet. Og jeg har ellers ikke været alene om i årevis at henlede den vestlige verdens og Europas opmærksomhed på det, der foregår.
ULBURGHS (CTDI). — (NL) Does the President-in-Office of the Council take the view that Hélène Passtoors has committed punishable acts, and what representations does he intend to make to the Foreign Minister in Belgium with a view to obtaining her release?
Med hensyn til gældsætningen forbliver Lomé-afta-lerne vort hovedargument. Det har vi grund til at være stolte over.
TYGESEN. — (DA) I find it invidious to be ques tioned in this manner because I am not familiar with Mrs Passtoors' case.
Men hvad er der blevet af det af mig tidligere omtalte fællesskabsinitiativ, som vedtoges i Venezia til fordel for de afrikanske lande syd for Sahara? Husler De referatet fra industrialiserede landes topmøde?
It does not behove me as President-in-Office of the Council to have an opinion on the matter.
Storbritannien og Frankrig gik ind for dette initiativ, men ikke de øvrige europæiske lande. Ingen fælles holdning.
We are not indifferent, but it is not the Council's job to interfere in national affairs of this kind.
Det kan man kun glæde sig over.
Question Time is closed.2
Så kom Louvre-aftalerne i februar 1987. Pas på: Dollaren faldt for meget.
As the next item commences at 4.30 p.m. there will be a short recess.
Hvad gældsætningen angår, blev der slået alarm i Mexico i 1982.
(The sitting was suspended at 4.25 p.m. and resumed at 4.30p.m.)
Med hensyn til samhandelen skal det siges, at vi ikke skal lade os belære af hverken amerikanerne eller japanerne.
MCMAHON (S). — At the inaugural meeting, the Danish Presidency informed the House they were going to take a vociferous stand against apartheid in South Africa.
Jeg har allerede haft lejlighed til at sige, at vi har indledt reformen af Den Fælles Landbrugspolitik.
What representations has the Council made about the state of emergency in that country?
Men Europa yder et utilstrækkeligt bidrag til verdenssamhandelens vækst. Og det er kernen i det aktuelle problem.
Has it campaigned for the release of Nelson Mandela and some of the other detainees?
Når verdenssamhandelen, det vil sige verdensøkonomien, kun vokser med 3 til 4% om året, så er det utilstrækkeligt.
What action has it taken to safeguard Community citizens such as the Cabisco Trust which was set up with Community funds?
Det er utilstrækkeligt til at de forgældede lande kan betale deres gæld.
The priest who organized it had his office raided and his files searched by the South African secret police.
Det er utilstrækkeligt for os, hvis vi skal reducere arbejds løsheden. Verdenssamhandelens vækstrate skal i vo lumen op på 6 til 7%. Men vi har intet gjort med henblik herpå.
What action will the Council take to safeguard investments for humanitarian reasons voted by the Community in the Republic of South Africa?
Man kan heraf slutte, at Europa fremdeles er en krig bagefter.
TYGESEN. — (DA) This question is such a long one that it is hardly possible to deal with it in this format.
Det var første punkt: For sen opvågnen; Europa bagefter i forhold til det, der sker.
Certain steps have been taken on human rights ques tions, under the Danish Presidency too, and certain limited sanctions have also been applied.
Og så var der den utilstrækkelige åbning af det japanske marked.
I cannot go into detail on the very specific ques tions which have been put to me.
Selv om vi, og det var meningen med dette første afsnit, for sent blev klar over de risici, der truede os.
PRESIDENT. — The next item is the statement by the President of the Commission on the fall in share prices.
Andet punkt: Ondets symptomer.
PRESIDENT. — Question No 70, by Mr Arbeloa Muru (H-189/87):
På monetært plan har valutamarkederne i månedsvis — for ikke at sige i årevis — været præget af ekstrem uro og flygtighed.
DELORS, President of the Commission. — (FR) Mr President, Members, the Commission would like to
Af to grunde : For det første fordi de syv lande gav et politisk og psykologisk signal til markederne.
Subject: Investigation into the events of June 1986 in Peru
De bevarede troen derpå indtil for et par dage siden. For det andet greb centralbankerne ind.
Have the Foreign Ministers meeting in European Political Cooperation asked the Peruvian auth
Og hvad gjorde Det Europæiske Fællesskab så imedens?
See Annex 'Question Time'.
Det gjorde fremskridt, men ikke nok til at
See Annex 'Question Time'.
Delors mennesker på tredive år, der tjener en formue, og når man så blader videre, kan man læse om stakkels mennesker på tres år, der havde en virksomhed og nu går konkurs.
Delors tions, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.
Ja, selvfølgelig, for alt hvad man tjener efter skat, når man skaber rigdom, er 3%.
thank Parliament for having given it this opportunity to discuss the events which you find disturbing, and which we find disturbing too.
Tænk på, hvad nogle har tjent på børserne!
Then there was the Baker plan.
Jeg beklager, men hvis der var en hellig fader til stede, ville han måske give mig ret.
Then at the commercial level, there was the duel of the elephants, I mean the battle over agriculture between the United States and the Community.
Det er ikke moral, det er ganske enkelt økonomi.
And the Japanese market was not absorb ing sufficient imports.
Derfor er det i dag så meget desto lettere for mig at sige, at central bankernes indgreb ikke kan erstatte en forbedring af økonomiernes grundlæggende situation.
Even if, and this is the crux of this first part of my speech, we did become aware, too late, of the dangers which threatened us.
Jeg frygter imidlertid, at centralbankernes interventioner siden årets begyndelse er nået tæt på de hundrede milliarder dollars.
May I begin by saying that European history shows that when Europe has not influenced history deliberately, history has prompted it to act.
Det kan ikke fortsætte på den måde.
I might even say, history has shaken it.
På monetært plan har vi derfor gjort det fornødne for at slå feberen med, men vi har ikke gjort noget ved ondets rod.
While the fire is flaring up again here and there, the firemen, it must be said, are able to work effectively.
(Munterhed)
But is that enough?
På finansielt plan er de forgældede landes vanskelig heder vokset.
In other words, is this not the time to call in an architect?' tect?'
Talrige er de lande, der ikke længere betaler renter og afdrag på deres gæld.
What has the European Community been doing all this time?
Så længe der kun var tale om Peru, sagde man : Garcia er en original. Men siden da er Elfenbenskysten kommet til, og dette land anses dog for at være seriøst. Så er der Brasilien og mange flere.
It has made progress, but not enough for it to be able to face up to its responsibilities.
Følgelig er der altså intet gjort for at løse gældsætningsproblemet, den anden vulkan, vi lever på.
I am not, how ever, the only one to have drawn the attention of Europe and the West to what has been happening for years.
Der skulle blot stryges en tændstik over vulkanen, før den brød ud i lys lue.
And believe me, the last one, which we obtained in Nyborg, is going to be tested by the current fall in the dollar.
Var det Baker-planen med den fængende erklæring mod tyskerne?
But there has been no political support for expanding the role of the ECU, and in practice its pri vate role has diminished over the past two years, where as it should have increased.
Var det Bundesbank med forhøjelsen af sine rentesatser på et ubelejligt tidspunkt?
By way of introducing the debate, I should like to summarize my speech in the form of four ideas.
Det kan for så vidt være ligegyldigt.
Firstly, we have become aware of the risks too late.
Jeg håber, at hverken den ene eller den anden indgår i historien som brandstiftende brandmand.
Secondly, we attach too much importance to the symptoms of the crisis and not enough to the cause of the disease.
Men en ting er sikker : Børserne falder, og det gør de fremdeles i dag.
Thirdly, what is the cause of the disease?
Og endelig er tilbagegangen i væksten i verdenssamhandelen et grundlæggende fænomen.
On the question of indebtedness, the Lomé agree ments continue to be our main line of argument.
Jeg omtalte, at væksten i år androg 3%.
We have reason to be proud of them.
Man nærede håb om 4% til næste år. Det skal man imidlertid ikke regne med mere.
But what has become — and I have already spoken to you about this — of the Community initiative, adopted in Venice, to ben efit the African countries south of the Sahara?
Men tidligere lå vækstraten på mellem 6 og 7%.
You remember the account of the Summit of industrialized nations?
Der findes imidlertid en ganske enkelt økonomisk læresætning. Når et underudviklet eller forgældet land kan eksportere, kan det betale sin gæld.
Unfortunately, in Washington the countries of Europe did not speak with one voice.
Det er symptomerne på ondet.
The retreat from Venice.
Selvfølgelig er globaliseringen af kapitalmarkederne et faktum.
On the monetary side, it came with the La Plaza agreement in September 1985.
Der er to dybereliggende årsager til ondet : Den overdrevne opsvulmen af den finansielle sfære og gældsætningen.
There was concerted action to try and maintain dollar, yen and European parities at satisfactory levels.
Tillad mig ganske kort at sige noget om disse to punkter.
I have to say that that agreement has worked well up till now.
Før eller senere må den sunde fornuft tage revanche. Og det gør den sandelig også!
In the matter of indebtedness, there was the warning from Mexico in 1982.
Men nu er det altså kommet så vidt. Og nu har vi al interesse i, at roen vender tilbage.
The President of the Federal Reserve Bank, Mr Volcker, and Europe did what was necessary.
Den overdrevne opsvulmen af den finansielle sfære: Jeg omtalte forholdet mellem denne sfære og de reelle goders sfære, markederne der arbejder døgnet rundt og globaliseringen af kapitalmarkederne.
We were even able to get the Americans to agree to increase the resources of those international organiza
Tænk på, at bankernes indbyrdes indlån repræsenterer 2 100 mia dollars!
On the commercial side, it must be said, we can learn nothing from the Japanese and the Americans.
I alle andre tilfælde gælder der spilleregler. På det amerikanske marked er der antitrustudvalget og antitrustlovene, der findes Security and Exchange Commission på børsen.
And that is the key to the present problem.
I Tyskland er der Bundeskartellamt etc. Intet marked er overladt til lovløsheden som verdenskapitalmarkedet.
It is not enough for the indebted countries to be able to pay their debts.
Er det acceptabelt?
It is not enough for us to reduce our unemployment.
Burde vore lande ikke for længst have lænkt en smule over, hvad der kunne ske?
The rate of growth in world trade ought to be of the order of 6% to 7%.
De læser aviser hver dag.
We have done nothing towards it.
Dette store kapitalmarked omfatter ikke mere end fem hundrede aktive deltagere: Hundrede banker, hundrede institutioner, to hundrede aktieselskaber og nogle offentlige organer.
The Americans took the initiative, at the cost of serious imbalance, and did so for two years, but no one has taken over from them.
Disse deltagere har indbyrdes skabt et kolossalt marked, der døgnet rundt
And the United States is using that as an argument against Europe today. We must never forget it.
Delors virker uden den ringeste forbindelse med den virkelige økonomi, men til gengæld er opmærksomt på selv det mindste tegn fra denne.
Delors to solve the problem of indebtedness, the other volcano under which we live.
Man indser farerne ved denne situation. De falder i to grupper.
I told you that growth was 3% this year.
Resultatet er, at terminsmarkederne, der — hvis jeg ellers har fulgt med i økonomitimerne — har til formål at regulere kontantforretningerne, disse terminsforretninger tager pippet fra kontantforretningerne.
If it is unable to do so, either it gives up paying — I named the countries — or it has dramatic internal difficulties — as is the case in Argentina.
Bitingen er finanserne, og det væsentlige er skabelsen af rigdom me og arbejdspladser.
As you know, doctors look at the symptoms and then they attack the cause of the disease.
Vi lever i den omvendte ver den.
Let us look at the symptoms.
Første spørgsmål: Hvad nu, hvis japanerne indstille de finansieringen?
On the monetary level there has been extreme nervousness and volatility in the exchange markets for several months, or rather years.
Hvis de ikke længere købte de amerikanske statsobligationer?
I spoke of the merits of the Louvre agreement, I shall not return to that.
I denne uge regner jeg med, at amerikanerne får brug for en halv snes milliarder dollar.
But why were the Louvre agreements success ful?
Og hvis japanerne så holdt op?
For two reasons: first of all, longer counts, the markets operate 24 hours a day.
Det er Europas svaghed !
The Lord will judge.
Og hvad nu, hvis amerikanerne, for at overtale japanerne til at fortsætte, gjorde dem visse indrømmelser?
But now we should also discuss the cause of the disease, and do something so that Parliament can encourage the governments to attack the underlying reasons for the disease.
F.eks. sag de: »Vi overlader jer markedet for tv-modtagere og videomaskiner, og så må I selv klare jer med europæerne«.
Those underlying reasons are two in number: the excessive growth in the financial sector, and indebtedness.
Hvad ville vi så sige?
Let me deal with these two points briefly.
Det var den første grund.
The excessive growth in the financial sector.
Jeg gentager, at det ikke var nogen moralprædiken. Det var en lektie i økonomi eller rettere en lære, som jeg drager af økonomien.
I have already mentioned how this sector stands in relation to the sector of real goods, the markets which operate round the clock, the internationalization of capital markets.
Vi må se tingene i øjnene : Vi står udenfor.
Sooner or later common sense had to prevail.
Og det vil vi blive ved med, lige så længe Europa ikke tager ordet for at sige: »Vi må gribe fat om ondet ved dets rod «.
And it is prevailing! I hope we shall not be overwhelmed by events, to use a metaphor, that Cassandra will not die with the authors of the disaster.