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Vi mener ikke, at kravet om en spærregrænse, uanset hvilken — 3 eller 5% af de afgivne stemmer — for opnåelse af mandater er acceptabelt.
If you have any threshold involving a whole of a Member State, be it 5% or be it 3%, then effectively you are giving the UK a perfect alibi to opt out, because there is no way the UK can say goodbye Mr Hume, goodbye Mr Paisley, goodbye Mr Nicholson and possibly even goodbye Mrs Ewing — though they might like to do that, I often think.
Et andet positivt punkt i hr. de Guchts beslutningsforslag er det forhold, at det præciseres, at der ved den proportionale fordeling skal tages hensyn til de afgivne stemmer på hele medlemsstatens område.
Our group will therefore be deciding which way to vote in the light of the compromise found on this important item in the motion for a resolution.
Denne præcisering er ikke overflødig, tværtimod.
The second point has been made by the Green spokesman.
Disse forslag er chokerende i dobbelt for stand.
Millions of people will be disenfranchised and that cannot be a step forward to democracy.
Dette system bliver helt og holdent baseret på valg i enkeltmandskredse, når der kun skal besættes én plads i en valgkreds.
I am the only one of the 81 UK MEPs who beat the first-past-the-post system.
Endelig vil jeg tage afstand fra spærregrænsen på de 5%.
Today people in Europe are demanding that politics should start respecting morals and no longer be linked with centres of business or crime.
Hvis tiden tillod det, kunne jeg holde appel over de 33 medlemmer i denne mødesal, der — hvis der var indført en 5%-spærregrænse i deres land — ikke ville være blevet valgt.
Pluralism, the opportunity for each citizen to choose the political force which represents him best and to select within that political force the persons who will give him the best guarantee of confidence and representation, is the only guarantee of finally attaining democracy, defeating oligarchic systems which on many occasions have governed by robbing electors of their consent.
Parlamentet ikke ville have vundet noget i demokrati og bestemt ikke i dynamik.
In the United Kingdom, third-country nationals from Com monwealth countries have been allowed to vote since at least the Reform Act of 1881 and we already have an Australian representative here in the European Parlia ment on that basis.
MUSSO (RDE). — (FR) Fru formand, jeg vil allerførst geme sige til ordføreren, min ven hr. de Gucht, at hans betænkning ikke volder os noget problem, og at vi vil stemme for den.
VON ALEMANN (LDR). — (DE) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, since 1979, the first direct elections for the European Parliament, the European Parliament has been campaigning for a uniform electoral procedure on the basis of proportional representation.
Dog vil jeg komme med to bemærkninger. ninger.
The European Parliament is the only institution in the European Com munity which was really elected to office by the citizens.
Med ændringsforslag nr. 50 har hr. De Gucht heldigvis tænkt sig om igen angående dette spørgsmål, og jeg vil geme bede Dem alle om at støtte ændringsforslag nr. 50.
Whilst Europe is opting for proportional representation to give the people a stronger voice, some Italian parties are wanting to impose the singlemember constituency system to enable them, when heavily defeated, to preserve their power for the future too.
Ændringsforslag nr. 47, hvor der tales om enheder, der er historiske og geografiske osv., er lidt bedre.
Thus the parties of government and patronage in Italy would like to distort the principles of democratic representation and eliminate from the political scene millions of electors who, in voting for the opposition, would no longer have their own representation in Parliament under the singlemember constituency system.
Skotlands situation er usædvanlig her, for vi har en unionstraktat, der er en del af Det Forenede Kongeriges forfatning, som giver Skotland forfatningsmæssig selvstændighed i man ge henseender.
We have therefore put forward a number of questions and resolutions so that the European Parliament, respecting the sovereignty of the people, may send forceful messages to governments, particularly the Italian Government, to confirm that the choice of propor tional representation and multi-member constituencies is the only guarantee against coups d'état more or less behind the scenes.
Så jeg har forbehold over for dette forslag om tillægsmandater, selv om jeg er enig i teorien.
We are the institution which must point the way to the future, because we are the ones who were elected for that purpose and for that purpose alone.
Jeg vil virkelig geme af med det system, hvor vinderen får det hele.
For that of course we need support from all political sections.
Sådan som forslaget er, vil suppleringen skabe enorm forvirring.
That is why, as liberals, we always regret that the British Liberal Democrats are not represented here.
Hvordan kan man fordoble mit område?
There are very many votes missing, there are very many voters who thus are not represented by anyone.
Jeg har allerede et område med 90 øer, som er større end Belgien eller Danmark.
It is kind of Mrs Ewing to say that she would also be glad to speak for the liberals in Scotland.
Det kan man ikke rigtig fordoble.
But these are absurd arguments.
Det ville være bedre bare at sige, at vi vil have ét fælles system uden den spændetrøje, som spærregrænsen udgør.
So we should like to see the De Gucht report supported and we call upon the Council to accept this report as soon as possible.
Min anden bemærkning er, at det i en række lande og specielt i mit eget, i Frankrig, bliver nødvendigt at ændre valgloven inden 1994, eftersom der skal vælges yderligere seks medlemmer.
In 1994 we have the fourth direct European elections.
Og når der skal vælges seks med lemmer mere, skal valgloven ændres.
We are facing enormous challenges for the future.
Det ønske, jeg udtaler, i alt fald for Frankrig og især for Frankrig, er, at man må benytte denne lejlighed til at ændre det nuværende system, der er tåbeligt. Systemet med en national repræsentation er et tåbeligt system.
We must integrate Europe, and as I said, for that we need the support of all political sections.
Det drejer sig om et centralt punkt i hr. de Guchts betænkning, der imødekommer behovene for demokratiets udvikling i vore lande.
Naturally we agree with the motions put forward by our own Group and we hope that this report will not meet the same fate as previous reports.
EWING (ARC). — (EN) Fra formand, hr. De Gucht har haft et herkulesarbejde.
EWING (ARC). — Madam President, I am sony but there has been a misunderstanding.
Det har været meget vanskeligt, og vi står alle i gæld til ham.
What I said was that in this Parliament I have often spoken about the missing Liberals.
Men den demokratiske kvalitet, der udmærker forholdstalsvalgmåden, vansires i høj grad af forslagets litra f), hvorefter en politisk gruppe skal opnå mindst 5% af de afgivne stemmer for at blive repræsenteret.
Speaking personally, I have to say that I have been converted to the need for a uniform electoral system by the sheer logic of European evolution.
Det er en væsentlig selvmodsigelse, der er særdeles uretfærdig for de politiske partier og, mener jeg, ligeledes for vælgerne i vore forskellige lande. En simpel beregning viser, at en spærregrænse på 5% kan få uheldige og ikke-demokrati-ske følger.
If we want to have more power here, and we do, if we want to recover for democracy, power that has been leached away by a process of osmosis from national parliaments to the Commission and Council, and we do, we must have a Parliament that clearly reflects the wishes of Europe as a whole, not a Parliament whose political centre of gravity is effectively determined by who is not in power in the United Kingdom.
Skulle vi vedtage dette forslag om en spærre grænse på 5%, ville vi slet og ret annullere flere millioner EF-vælgeres stemmeafgivelse.
Thus I support the introduction of proportional representation in the rest of the United Kingdom — we already have it in Northern Ireland — for the European elections.
Mere end halvanden million vælgere blot i mit eget land.
I say nothing about what should happen in Westminster.
Og jeg ønsker ikke, at fra Ewing — lige så lidt som nogen andet medlem — skal forlade Parlamentet.
It provides an automatic cut-off and, of course, it allows for regional variations and regional parties.
Derfor vil vor gruppe stemme under hensyntagen til indholdet af det kompromis, der måtte blive fundet om dette vigtige punkt i beslutningsforslaget.
BLANEY (ARC). — Madam President, might I join with all other speakers in thanking the rapporteur for the work that he has done but not for the outcome of that work.
Det andet punkt er blevet nævnt af den grønne miljøordfører.
I do not believe that what he has now produced will give uniformity or proportionality.
De siger faktisk, at Spanien, Italien, Irland og Det Forenede Kongerige skal afgive over 30 medlemmer af Parlamentet.
What we should be looking at here in this Parliament is proportionality and democra cy.
Jeg er den eneste af de 81 medlemmer fra Det Forenede Kongerige, der har besejret det system, hvor den første stryger hele gevinsten.
Also it is outstandingly clear that no first-round speaker from any of the groups is completely in favour of what is proposed despite the fact that most of them say they are going to support it.
Pluralismen, d.v.s. borgerens mulig hed for frit at vælge det politiske parti, der bedst repræ-
Well if we are, why adopt this report which, if implemented, would wipe out the only true PR
Det giver en automatisk afgrænsning og tager naturligvis hensyn til regionale forskelle og regionale partier.
That will create a completely new situation because it will give us a strength we did not have before, and I hope that the abhonence of a vacuum that exists in the institutions and in European history will mean we succeed in being heard.
Hvis man skal sikre pluralismen, kan det kun ske ved at sørge for, at valgsystemet er baseret på forholdstalsvalg og flermandskredse.
What I am saying is: Please leave untouched the system that we have in Ireland, which is the only true PR system in the entire Community.
Dette gælder specielt, når der i visse af Fællesskabets medlemslande ikke findes nogen anden form for garanti, der f.eks. kunne være i form af en republik eller alternativt af et konstitutionelt monarki.
In other words respect the principle of subsidiarity and do as you will to suit your own national needs best provided that the end product is proportional.
Mit eget parti, Labour, er i gang med en større undersøgelse via det udvalg, lord Plant er formand for, og man vil snart afgive betænkning.
So there you are. I am voting against and will vote against anything like this at any time.
I det midlertidige tomrum er det min delegations holdning at have en fri afstemning om De Gucht-betænkningen.
And I think the proposal we are going to vote on today in this assembly is a good start because it is flexible, open and gradual.
Jeg vil, som jeg har sagt, støtte denne betænkning, og jeg stiller kun én betingelse, nemlig at vi fortsat tillader medlemsstaterne at lade borgere fra tredjelande stemme ved nationale valg og valg til Europa-Parlamentet.
Gradual in every way because as regards the objective of maximum proportionality, which none of us can abandon, it starts by recognizing the history of certain states and the fact that a momentous transformation is being sought.
I Det Forenede Kongerige har borgere fra tredjelande inden for Commonwealth haft stemmeret, i det mindste siden Reformloven i 1881, og vi har allerede en australsk repræsentant her i Parlamentet på denne basis. Det er det, der står i mit ændringsforslag, nr. 13; det pålægger ingen nogen tvang, det åbner muligheder.
But asking for at least one third of United Kingdom representatives to be elected by the list system — though I would have raised that, and I did in committee, to at least half for the 1994 elections — will demonstrate to our British friends that this is not going to shatter the temple walls and columns of their domestic electoral system, fine for their own system of government, but absolutely inelevant to reasonable representation in this Parliament.
Jeg håber, Parlamentet er parat til at lade den virkelige verden puffe lidt til idealet, så at vi sammen kan gøre fremskridt i stedet for at stå stille hver for sig.
Later on the list could increase until the maximum required for proper propor tionality within each state is reached, since we have not obtained proportionality for the EC as a whole.
Vi fra Movimento Sociale Italiano er derfor glade for, at De Guchtbetænkningen er blevet vedtaget, også fordi vi som italienere p.t. befinder os i en meget voldsom situation, der risikerer at anspore det politiske system, der i dag er blevet forkastet af både befolkningen og af retsvæsenet, til at befæste sin magtposition ved at foretage en komplet fordrejning af de demokratiske spilleregler. gler.
We do not have the option of achieving greater overall proportional ity by sharing out of the number of seats, and there is a deviation from the European electoral quotient possibly amounting to about half a million people, a deviation which results in each German MEP representing 150% of the Community average number of voters per seat, while a Luxembourg MEP represents 15% of that average.
VON ALEMANN (LDR). — (DE) Fru formand, kære kolleger, siden det første direkte valg til Europa-Parlamentet i 1979, har Europa-Parlamentet kæmpet for en ensartet valgmåde baseret på princippet om forholdstalsrepræsentation.
LANDA MENDIBE (NI). — (ES) Madam President, the electoral procedure cannot be an 'à la carte' menu enabling any government to play opportunistic and frank ly undemocratic political games.
Europa-Parlamentet erden eneste institution i Det Europæiske Fællesskab, der virkelig er valgt til sin funktion af borgerne.
The establishment of the principle of proportionality is right and progressive, but concessions are being made in connection with it which should not be made.
Alt imens man i Europa vælger forholdstalsvalg for at lade befolkningens holdning komme bedre til udtryk, ønsker visse italienske partier at indføre et flertalssystem for derved at sikre, at de også kan fortsætte ved magten i fremtiden, skønt de mister terræn i stor stil.
If States are allowed to set a minimum threshold of 5% of the votes using the state as the constituency, that definitely suggests backing for a Europe of states as opposed to peoples and nations, and I fear that many of us would be excluded from the European Parliament.
På den måde ville millioner af vælgerne blive fjernet fra den politiske scene, idet man med et flertalssystem ikke længere ville blive repræsenteret i Parlamentet, hvis man stemte på oppositionen.
But if overall proportionality is unobtainable — and I want to mention this to Mr Barón, because during his Presidency he proposed a complementary European list system — at least proportionality is obtained within each state.
Det er grunden til, vi har fremsat forskellige spørgsmål og resolutioner.
The Socialists will therefore vote in favour of the De Gucht report.
Vi har siden 1979 ledt efter en vej ind i fremtiden, og vi uddeler ikke regeringsnoter og regeringspapirer for der næst at forsøge på igen at snakke os ud af en vanskelig situation på en eller anden måde.
It is already extremely difficult for the representatives of nations living as minorities inside a Community state to get to this forum to make our voice heard.
Det er mange stemmer, der mangler, det er mange vælgere, der på den måde ikke er repræsenteret af nogen.
PENDERS (PPE). — (NL) Madam President, bringing the De Gucht report into the world has not been easy.
Ærlig talt, vi vil hellere selv tale for de liberale og lader hellere en liberal skotte tale her, end vi ser de liberale skotter repræsenteret af en anden. Det er da en absurd argumentation.
On 10 October 1991 there was the first interim resolution, on 10 June 1992 the second interim resolution concerning the distribution of seats among the Member States.
Vi ser derfor geme en bred støtte til De Guchtbetænkningen og opfordrer Rådet til at vedtage denne betænkning så hurtigt som muligt.
Success indeed for the European Parliament and of course for the rapporteur as well.
FORD (S). — (EN) Fra formand, må jeg først komplimentere hr. De Gucht for en succesrig afslutning på hans herkuliske arbejde.
I am very much afraid, Madam President, that my state would silence our voice if it could.
Jeg formoder, at hans eneste trøst er, at han i det mindste i Edinburgh havde betydelig indflydelse på den beslutning, der blev truffet af Ministerrådet om at forøge antallet af pladser i Parlamentet. mentet.
We must not allow that to happen. Let us drop the requirement for a minimum threshold and make the constituency appropriate to the electorate's natural political community which is not the state, but the nation.
EWING (ARC). — (EN) Fru formand, jeg er ked af det, men der har været en misforståelse.
I find it very important, Madam President, that it has proved possible to lay down that the elections shall be governed by the system of proportionality.
Hvad jeg sagde var, at jeg her i Parlamentet ofte har talt om de Liberale, der ikke er til stede. Jeg ville ikke drømme om at påstå, at jeg talte på de Liberales vegne.
That goal may, if necessary, be achieved in stages, but the system has been established and I consider that a major plus point.
Personlig må jeg sige, at jeg har ladet mig omvende til at indse nødvendigheden af en ensartet valgmåde på grund af selve logikken i den europæiske udvikling.
I have to say that I find that extremely fortunate for my own country, since it means we are not obliged to form electoral districts.
Derfor støtter jeg indførelsen af forholdstalsvalg i resten af Det Forenede Kongerige til valgene til Europa-Parlamentet — det har vi allerede i Nordirland.
If, however, the system is used where there is voting for one candidate per electoral district, the German system then has to be applied, and I welcome that.
Jeg siger ikke noget om, hvad der bør ske i
I would mention that in my country a commission from the national parliament is examining questions of
BLANEY (ARC). — (EN) Fru formand, må jeg tilslutte mig alle de andre talere og takke ordføreren for det arbejde, han har gjort, men ikke for resultatet af det. Jeg
However we should bear in mind something which has not been said here but which is important: if the Council
mener ikke, at det, han nu har fremlagt, vil give ensartethed eller proportional repræsentation.
constitutional and political relationships and renewal and that, in its report, that commission has expressly devoted an annex to the German electoral system because it is something we in the Netherlands find very interesting.
Hvad vi bør se på her i Parlamentet, er proportional repræsentation og demokrati.
One problem in the De Gucht report is the requirement that Member States apply a threshold of 5% of votes cast for seat distribution.
Desuden er det overordentlig klart, at der ikke i første omgang har været nogen taler fra nogen af grupperne, der går helt ind for forslaget, til trods for at de fleste af dem siger, at de vil støtte det.
On the other hand, however, I consider it important for all political group ings, even small ones, to have the chance to make their voices heard, and it is better, I believe, to let dissident voices have their say within Parliament than to exclude them.
Forslaget om en spærregrænse på 5% af de afgivne stemmer må trækkes tilbage og mandatfordelingen bringes i overensstemmelse med de afgivne stemmer i vælgernes naturlige politiske miljø, der ikke er staten, men nationerne.
It is not only the British Liberals who are not represented here, it is equally — indeed, to a greater extent — the British Greens who are not represented here. And if we — not, for that matter, as the rapporteur but as the Liberal Group — have tabled that amendment, it is precisely to exert extra pressure on Great Britain to adjust its system.
BRU PURON (S). — (ES) Fru formand, i et ændringsfor slag, der forhåbentlig bliver vedtaget, rettes der en appel til Ministerrådet om at sikre en så snarlig vedtagelse af en ensartet valgmåde i overensstemmelse med Europa-Parlamentets udkast, at den obligatorisk kan anvendes allerede ved valget til Europa-Parlamentet i 1994.
I hope that our governments' reaction to this report will be as swift as was their reaction to the proposal on the distribution of seats.
Nogen har sagt, at vi tager det første skridt på vejen mod forholdstalsvalg.
MAHER (LDR). — Madam President, I have little time and just one point to make.
Og, hvis vi gør det, hvorfor skal vi så vedtage denne betænkning, der, hvis den bliver gennem ført, vil udslette det eneste reelle forholdstalsvalgsystem som findes her i Parlamentet, nemlig Irlands.
In this Parliament we place great value on democracy and democracy must start with the individual.
Hvorfor sigter vi ikke mod det, vi vil, frem for at sige til Irland: I må gå lidt tilbage for at ligge på linje med resten af Europa, og senere vil vi så sammen gå frem imod det, I nu har, og så bliver vi alle glade.
Personally — and I am sorry to have to mention myself— I have been elected three times to this Parliament from Ireland as an Independent.
Det er latterligt!
I have no party in my own country.
Man bør anvende subsidiaritetsprincippet i dette spørgsmål.
VANDEMEULEBROUCKE (ARC). — (NL) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, this is the third time that Parliament is trying to put forward a uniform electoral procedure.
Jeg har hørt det sagt her i dag, at betænkningen er rettet mod Det Forenede Kongerige.
Which makes Mr De Gucht the third musketeer.
Udmærket, jeg er enig i, at det er nødvendigt at rette den imod Det Forenede Kongerige, men jeg blander mig ikke i Det Forenede Kongeriges anliggender i denne sag.
A sound report has twice been approved that takes account of proportional representation and representation of the minorities; so that was twice truly democratic.
Hvad jeg siger, er: lad os have det system, vi har i Irland, det eneste reelle forholdstalsvalgsystem i hele Fællesskabet, i fred.
But, just when I thought that the principle of proportional representation had been taken on board, a whole series of exceptions were allowed — so, in fact, no proportional representation.
Med andre ord, lad os respektere nærhedsprincippet, og så kan De gøre, hvad De vil, for at tjene Deres egne nationale interesser bedst muligt, bare slutresultatet bliver for holdstalsvalg.
At the same time, there are no longer any guarantees for what are known as the minorities: there is the 3 or 5% threshold.
Under alle omstændigheder tror jeg ikke, at det system, der nu er stillet forslag om, vil opfylde vor forfatnings krav, og vi er beskyttet mod at ændre denne forfatning i kraft af vore tiltrædelsesartikler. Så sådan ligger landet. Jeg vil stemme imod, og jeg vil når som helst stemme imod hvad som helst, der ligner dette.
It is a good thing that, in this endeavour to achieve uniformity, such a system of proportional representation has been chosen as will not radically encroach on the methods of countries with different traditions.
LANDA MENDIBE (NI). — (ES) Fru formand, valgproceduren bør ikke være et »a la carte-tilbud«, der åbner mulighed for et opportunistisk og i sidste instans udemokratisk politisk spil i hænderne på de regeringer, der måtte ønske at benytte sig af det.
It is most disappointing that, while we are asking that our citizens be more closely involved in politics and much emphasis is being laid on cultural diversity within the European Community, a threshold is being imposed whereby countless citizens can never be represented in the European Parliament.
Om end princippet om forholdstalsrepræsentation er hensigtsmæssigt og pro gressivt, gives der samtidig indrømmelser, der ikke burde være givet.
A vote cast for a large political party is evidently worth more than a vote cast for a smaller party.