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Disse få stemmer ville blokere en udvikling, som var ønsket af et i øvrigt ikke ubetydeligt flertal.
These protocols scarcely represent any improvement in that respect.
Tyrkiet har forbindelser med et Fællesskab, der nu har tolv medlemmer.
Although Turkey is still the OECD country with the lowest standard of living — with income per caput of $1 150 — in 1986 the growth rate in its gross domestic product was among the highest in the world, at 7.9%.
Disse bidrager kollektivt til de udgifter, som vi afholder som led i forbindelserne med Tyrkiet.
The potential for development in Turkey's economy opens up very substantial prospects for all businesses in the Community, and for European investors. We should not lose sight of that.
Balfe (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne begynde med at sige, at vi ikke har noget at indvende mod indholdet af disse betænkninger.
However, as was pointed out by the honourable Member, this debate on the two Turkish protocols marks the start of discussion of 13 protocols today.
Vi kan naturligvis gå helt ind for, at vi ophæver toldsystemet, og vi er klar over, hvor væsentlig hele denne serie betænkninger er.
In addition, Mr President, as Mr Mallet has pointed out, this debate brings into play the new responsibilities laid on the European Parliament under the terms of the Single Act.
Det er derfor en juridisk nødven dighed at få denne situation bragt i orden.
With your leave, I should like to say a few words on this aspect.
Denne praktiske tilpasning ved hjælp af de to protokoller får
The Single Act vests this Parliament with a responsibility expressed in terms more explicit than in any constitution that I know of.
Lad mig først nævne det valg, som fandt sted for nylig, og hvor jeg var en af Parlamentets observatører.
The European Parliament's power in relation to the Executive, represented by the Council of Ministers and the Commission, have therefore been increased in a manner without precedent in the constitutional history of democratic countries.
Regeringens kontrol med radio og TV f. eks., var noget mere udpræget end i visse andre lande, men efter vor mening ikke mere udpræget end f. eks. i Frankrig i forbindelse med et valg.
Such a handful of votes would block developments that would otherwise have reflected the will of a substantial majority.
Det tyrkiske valgsystem er ikke så godt eUer så nøje baseret på forholdstal som tilfældet er i mange europæiske lande, men det er da ganske rimeügt i sammenUgning med f. eks, valgsystemet i Storbritannien, som også er udpræget uretfærdigt.
The debates that started two part-sessions ago on the approval of protocols, or rather authorization for their ratification, bring out the fact — which the Commission welcomes — that the responsibilities vested in Parliament under the Single Act actually exceed those of our national parliaments, given the exceptional conditions under which the majority has to be recorded.
Så alt taget i betragtning konkluderede vi, at valget var både frit og retfærdigt.
BALFE (S). — Mr President, I would like to say at the outset that we have no squabble with the contents of these reports.
Jeg går ud fra, at dette nu igen vü komme på dagsordenen.
We of course fully support the dismantling of tariffs and realize how important the whole series of reports are.
Når vi i Den Socialistiske Gruppe tager dette skridt, ønsker vi at vise vor utilfredshed med udviklingen.
During that first 19 days they were held in detention without access to anyone, family, friends or lawyers.
Jeg er enig med kommissær Cheysson og hr. MaUet om, at vi skaber præcedens, og det en præcedens, vi ikke ønsker at se fulgt alt for ofte.
Two Members of the European Palriament delegation did, in fact, man age to see them, but only through the window of a cell.
Men da Parlamentet har fået tillagt disse beføjelser, må det også an svarligt bruge dem fuldt ud, når der er en passende lejlighed.
When they were taken to prison they were charged with a range of offences for which the maximum sentence could be as much as 70 years in prison.
AUigevel vil sociaUsterne, som jeg nævnte i begyndelsen, senere anmode om, at denne sag bUver henvist tU fornyet udvalgsbehandling.
Subsequent also to that, two of the lawyers acting for them, Mr Atilla Coskun and Mr Razim Oz were both themselves detained, although they have now been freed.
Det er til en vis grad en præcedens, vi håber ikke vü büve fulgt alt for ofte, og jeg håber, hr. MaUet vü acceptere tilbagevisningen og forelægge den for Parlamentet på ny snarest muligt.
Neither to many of us, and let me say this certainly includes a number of Turkish politicians, is it acceptable for people to be put in prison for what is basically a 'thought' crime.
Vi ønsker at understrege vort synspunkt, mere end vi har noget imod betænkningerne.
These two gentlemen advocated the establish ment of a Communist party in Turkey.
Cassidy (ED). - (EN) Hr. formand, lad mig først sige, at jeg har meget stor sympati for de betragtninger, hr. Balfe netop har givet udtryk for vedrørende menneskerettighederne i Tyrkiet.
Someone once asked me if I was an enemy of Turkey and I told them that they did not need any enemies, they had a government to cause all their problems for them.
Som han siger det med rette — med en regering som den nuværende tyrkiske regering behøver tyrkerne ingen fjender.
The Turkish Government has been particularly inept in its handling of this case, but we should remember that we are not condemning the whole of Turkey.
Men når det er sagt, vü jeg kraftigt opfordre hr. Balfe og Den SociaUstiske Gruppe til at tænke sig om endnu en gang. De to protokoUer, vi får forelagt her i dag, blev vedtaget af Udvalget om Eksterne Økonomiske Forbindelser med et overvældende flertal. Protokol len, dok.
There are many politicians, including Dr Inonü, the leader of the opposition, who quite clearly stated that in his view people should not be put in prison for crimes of thought and that indeed political parties should be legitimized.
A2-231/87, blev vedtaget med 17 stemmer for, 2 imod og 2, som hverken stemte for eller imod.
Let me first mention the recent general election at which I was one of Parliament's observers.
Dette viser, at der ikke er politisk uenighed i Udvalget om denne sag, skønt udvalgsmedlemmerne naturligvis gjorde sig bekymringer om menneskerettighederne i Tyrkiet.
We went to the election and we observed an election which we have said in our communiqué was free and fair.
Efter 19 dage blev de stulet for Domstolen for Statens Sikker hed i Ankara den 5. december, og de er nu blevet fængslede.
We did have reserva tions about certain aspects of it.
I de første 19 dage blev de tilbageholdt uden at være i forbindelse med nogen, venner, famiUe eUer sagførere.
The control of the radio and television system, for instance, by the government was rather more than is found in some countries, but not in our view greater than is found in France, for example, during an election.
Det lykkedes faktisk to medlemmer af Europa-Parlamentets delegation at få dem at se, men kun igennem vinduerne i en celle.
The electoral system in Turkey is not as good or as proportional as that round in many European countries, but it certainly compares reasonably with the electoral system found, for instance, in Britain, which is also grossly unfair.
Da de blev fængslet, blev de anklaget for en række forhold, hvor den maksimale straf kan være på helt op til 70 års fængsel.
In taking this step from within the Socialist Group we are seeking to demonstrate out displeasure at the course of events.
Derefter gjorde Dr. Sargin det på vej fra fængslet klart, at han og hr. Kutlu var blevet udsat for tortur, mens de var blevet tilbageholdt.
I agree with Commissioner Cheysson and Mr Mallet that we are setting a precedent and one not to be followed too often.
Og derefter igen blev også to af deres sagførere, hr. Atilla Coskun og hr. Razim Oz, begge selv tilbageholdt, men er dog nu blevet sat på fri fod.
But since these powers have been given to this Parliament, it must with responsibility use them fully as appropriate.
Og for mange af os, og lad mig sige, at det bestemt gælder en række tyrkiske politikere, er det heller ikke acceptabelt, at folk kan blive sat i fængsel for noget, sonVgrundlæggende er en »tænkt« forbrydelse. Disse to herrer gik ind for dannelsen af et kommunistisk
We hope the message will be taken on board in Ankara and we look forward to these reports coming back to Parliament in the near
Det, jeg gerne vil sige til ham, er, at der er mange medlemmer på denne fløj af Parlamentet, som mener, at hvis Den SociaUstiske Gruppe og deres allierede afholder sig fra at stemme i forbindelse med Tyrkiet, så er der mange på denne fløj, som vil føle, at de kan spille det samme spil, og vi skal måske derfor se hele denne sag som en samlet pakke.
If I could remind this House, that when I was rapporteur on Turkey we in this House adopted a position that after these elections we would look towards the reconstitution of the joint committee with Turkey.
Hvis Tyrkiet ikke kommer igennem, så vil
I trust that that will now come back onto our agenda.
Cypern, Israel, Jugoslavien, Tunesien, Egypten, Algeriet, Jordan og Libanon heUer ikke gå igennem.
We certainly do not intend to ignore the fact that, over the last two years, a new process is taking place in this country with regard to democracy, although we are still a long way from the full affirmation of civil and human rights.
Hvis det ikke er det, de ønsker, skulle de overveje konsekvenserne af den strategi, de har til hensigt at følge.
The arrest, imprisonment and tor ture of two leading figures in the workers' movement, before the recent elections — referred to a short time ago by Mr Balfe — and the arrest and subsequent release — though this was followed by accusations — of the lawyers who has taken on the task of defending them, are only individual episodes in a long list of viol ations that are still today's pattern in this country.
kan derfor være nyttigt at sende sagen tilbage til Udvalget, men på betingelse af, at Rådet vil give os sin vurdering; hvis det gør det her i Parlamentet, vil det være muligt at opnå enighed.
What is the reaction of the Community institutions to what is freshly emerging, as well as what is continuing from the past, in the situation today in Turkey?
Rossetti (COM). — (IT) Hr. formand, vor gruppe udtrykker ikke blot forvirring, men også forbehold med hensyn tü den måde, hvorpå Parlamentet skal udtale sig om de to protokoller vedrørende Tyrkiet.
Their reaction is two protocols which, Mr Mallet, do not represent anything substantially new, since they are couched in the logic of the past and are merely technical or formal adaptations.
Beyer De Ryke (LDR). — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, det er ikke uden nuancer og heller ikke uden overuejelser, at jeg deltager i denne forhandling.
CASSIDY (ED). — Mr President, let me say first of all that I have every sympathy with the concerns recently expressed by Mr Balfe about the human rights situation in Turkey.
Ej heller er det uden at have vejet for og imod, at Den Liberale og Demokratiske Gruppe har besluttet ikke at henvise MaUet-Betænkningen til fornyet udvalgs behandling.
As he rightly says, with a govern ment like the present Turkish Government, the Turks have no need of enemies.
Jeg må med det samme sige, at det, vi sætter spørgsmålstegn ved, ikke er hr. Mallets betydelige arbejde og dybe engagement, men metoden.
A2-232/87 was passed by 17 votes in favour, none against and 4 abstentions. The supplementary Protocol, Doc.
Hvad er det så for omstændigheder?
That can nevertheless constitute, at one and the same time, too little and too much. And why is this?
Det vil jeg gerne have lov til uddybe. Den delegation, som jeg havde fornøjelsen at lede i Tyrkiet, påpegede de væsentlige fremskridt, dette land har gjort ved at afholde demokratiske valg, selv om loven forekommer os at have rejst forhindringer, som er nemmere at klare på galopbanen end for visse tyrkiske partier.
Because there is no .overall appreciation of what has happened in Turkey.
Derimod, og det siger jeg uden omsvøb, er forbuddet mod visse politiske partier, varetægtsarrestens urimeligt lange varighed, begrænsningerne af forsvarets rettigheder og af fagforeningsrettighederae årsag til forbehold el ler modstand.
And Parliament itself which — as we have been reminded — sent a delegation of observers on the occasion of the elections in this country — could make its own contribution to the debate, so as to have a verdict that is comprehensive and complete.
Vi har bestemt ikke tænkt os at skjule den kendsgerning, at der i de sidste to år i dette land er sket en ny udvikling med hensyn til demokrati, selv om der endnu er langt til de fulde borgerlige rettigheder og menneskerettigheder.
I would further remind Mr Balfe and his colleagues that if they happen to lose the vote on the referral back to committee we still have to vote on the final protocols tomorrow under the Single European Act.
Arrestationen, fængslingen og tortureringen af to af arbejderbevægelsens ledere for ud for det seneste valg — der her blev erindret om af hr. Balfe — arrestationen og den efterfølgende frigivelse, der blev fulgt af en fordømmelse fra de advokater, der havde påtaget sig at forsvare dem, er kun enkeltepisoder i en lang række af overtrædelser, som stadig finder sted i dette land.
The point I would make to him is that there are many people on this side of the House who believe that if the Socialist Group and their allies abstain on Turkey, many people on this side will feel that they can play the same game and that we might, therefore, regard the whole lot as a package.
Hvorledes reagerer fællesskabsinstitutionerne på det, der kommer af nyt, og det, der stadig er af gammelt, i dagens virkeighed i Tyrkiet?
What is happening today in this debate seems to us a surreptitious way of avoiding a problem which is, instead, on the agenda of our institutions.
Med to protokoller, som, hr. MaUet, ikke repræsenterer noget væsentligt nyt, eftersom de indføjer sig i fortidens logik og udgør en teknisk eller formel tilpasning.
A referral back to committee might therefore be useful, on the condition, however, that the Council gives us its appraisal; if it will dö that in this Chamber, an agree ment will be possible.
Hvad der sker i dag i denne debat forekommer os at være en svigagtig måde at undgå et problem på, som imidlertid står på vore institutioners dagsorden. Det
We accept the validity of your arguments, Mr Com missioner, even though, to be frank, we find Turkish lemons to be rather acid and likely in the present cir-
Den første er karakteristisk for vor opfattelse, som bygger på garantien for fri udøvelse af de demokrati ske rettigheder. Den anden vedrører Tyrkiet.
I should like to say immediately that it is not the com mendable work and unstinting commitment of Mr Mallet that is in question, but the method itself.
Beyer De Ryke spørgsmål. Det fratager dem dog intet af deres fortjeneste, og vi kan gå ind for dem.
Beyer de Ryke cumstances to leave a bitter taste in quite a few mouths!
De forekommer os beklageügvis endnu at være meget vanskelige at forsvare, og i aUe tilfælde forsvares de i meget ringe grad.
We hope it will succeed in making its voice heard and winning the day for the will, the demend for democratic civilian government.
Kutlu og Sargin har rejst alvorhge anklager.
IN THE CHAIR: MR SEEFELD
FORSÆDE: HORST SEEFELD Næstformand
To what circumstances do I refer?
I dag ved vi, at Tyrkiet tilhører den frie verden, og som alle den frie verdens nationer har Tyrkiet ret til vort venskab og vor agtelse, men åndeligt, moralsk og endog fysisk kan vi sige, at Tyrkiet ikke ligger i Europa.
The delegation to Turkey, which it was my privilege to lead, stressed the significant progress made by holding democratic elections, even though we felt that the obstacles put in the way of certain Turkish political parties by the law would have dwarfed those at Longchamp.
Tyrkiet tilsidesætter fuldstændigt religionsfrihedens principper, og på tyrkisk jord er alle spor efter Luieasiens store kristne fortid skånselsløst udslettet.
But let me say without equivocation that the banning of certain political parties, the excessive periods during which people are kept in detention, the limitations imposed on rights of defence and the restrictions applied to trade-union legislation provide grounds for reservations or opposition.
von Nostitz (ARC). — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg er blandt fortalerne for en fleksibel holdning over for Tyrkiets ønske om at komme EF nærmere euer endog tiltræde EF, fordi jeg på denne måde forestiUer mig, at vi får så stor indflydelse som muUgt på menneskerettighedsstituationen i Tyrkiet.
VON NOSTITZ (ARC). — (DE) Mr President, I am one of those who advocate a flexible attitude towards Turkey's desire for closer relations with or even membership of the Community because I believe this will enable us to exercise the greatest possible influence on the human rights situation in Turkey.
Jeg er enig med ordføreren i, at fastlæggelsen af denne tekniske proces her ikke er den bedste anledning tü at drøfte demokratiske og menneskerettighedernes situation i Tyrkiet. kiet.
I agree with the rapporteur that the establishment of a technical procedure is not the right occasion for a debate on the basic situation as regards democracy and human rights in Turkey.
Altså »ja« til Jacques MaUets betænkning og »ja« til associering og venskab, men vi ønsker ikke den til trædelse, der tegner sig som baggrund for disse foran staltninger,
No one is going to accuse me of over-indulgence towards the Communist Party — or at least, it would come as a surprise if they did.
Romeos (S). — (GR) Hr. formand, som medlem af Parlamentets delegation, der overværedede valget i Tyrkiet, vü jeg gerne bidrage tü denne åbne debat med mine egne konklusioner.
I am therefore entirely at liberty to take the view that while the Communist Party undeniably set out to provoke the Turkish Government just before the elections, which was per haps not the best way, the best strategy for getting official recognition, a distinction is nevertheless to be made between ideology and complicity in the perpetration of acts of violence.
Endvidere vüle jeg også normalt gå ind for vedtagelse af denne supplerende protokol, men mener, at vi er i en undtagelsessituation, hvor det absolut forekom mer rimeligt at tage Den Socialistiske Gruppes forslag op. Jeg forstår dette forslag som en gestus, som en symbolsk handUng, hvormed Parlamentet vil reagere på en handling, den tyrkiske regering har begået over for vor delegation i Tyrkiet og dermed vist den ringeagt.
In normal circumstances, I would also approve this supplementary protocol, but I feel we are in an exceptional situation in which it appears perfectly reasonable to agree to the Socialist Group's proposal.
Med de få midler, Europa-Parlamentet har, må det absolut være tUladt, at vi går omvejen via artikel 236 i den nye udgave af Rom-Traktaten og henviser denne betænkning til fornyet udvalgsbehandUng.
Given the limited resources at Parliament's disposal, there is no reason why we should not be permitted to avail ourselves of Article 236 of the new version of the Treaties of Rome and refer this report back to com mittee.
Den kendsgerning, at to medlemmer af vor delegation til Tyrkiet, som jo rejste dertil som et skridt i retning af Tyrkiet, så at sige kun symbolsk kunne besøge de to arresterede Kutlu og Sargin, hvilket kun var en farce, kan man kun anse for et ondskabsfuldt og næsten fornærmene skridt fra den tyrkiske regerings side over for delegationsmedlemmerne.
The fact that two members of our delegation to Turkey, which went there for the purpose of reconciliation, were able to pay the two detainees Kutlu and Sargin what was not more than a symbolic visit, which was a farce, can only be regarded as a malicious and almost insulting act by the Turkish Government in its dealings with the members of the delegation.
Jeg synes derfor, at det er en absolut rimeUg reaktion at henvise betænkningen til fornyet udvalgsbehandling for ved førstkommende lejlighed så at vedtage den ud fra synspunktet en teknisk proces.
I there fore consider it a perfectly reasonable reaction for the report to be referred back to committee so that it may be approved on the next occasion as a technical procedure. dure.
Antony (DR). — (FR) Hr. formand, Jacques MaUets to betænkninger vedrører ikke de grundlæggende
ANTONY (DR). — (FR) Mr President, the two reports by Jacques Mallet do not concern fundamental matters.
Det er tydeügt, at invitationen til Parlamentet tü at sende observatører havde som formål at åbne FæUes skabets døre for Tyrkiet.
The first is inherent in our philosophy, which is founded on the guarantee right to exercise democratic freedoms. The second concerns Turkey.
Og det er tydeligt, at aUe de forfatningsmæssige og juridiske restriktioner også huider udtryksfriheden.
We are therefore wholly in favour of these commonsense measures to regulate relations with Turkey, and we are wholly in favour of association agreements with that State.
Ministerpræsident Özal erkendte selv, at der stadig eksisterer mange restriktioner, og lovede delegationen, at han gradvis ville fjerne nogle af dem, fortrinsvis vedrørende fagforeningsrettigheder.
But this is not to say that we would like to see this setting the wheels in motion, so to speak, towards a treaty of accession between Turkey and the European Community. We have not yet finished building Europe.
Det, som efter valget skete for de to
Its frontiers are scarcely defined.
Valget foregik uden nogen egentlige militære indgreb, men det var på forhånd klart, at de politiske indgreb og navnlig valgsystemet ville sikre regeringspartiet en overvældende kontrol over Nationalforsamlingen.
Turkey has its own history, with its moments of glory and its dark moments, but its history is not our history.
Men selv med de moderate resultater var valget et skridt henimod demokratiet.
We do not believe that the Turkish people as a whole is capable of feeling a sense of belonging to the European Community.
Det er imidlertid for tidligt at konkludere, at de løfter, vi har fået, er oprigtige, og at der også vü ske en snarlig genetablering af de elementære politiske og fagforeningsmæssige ret tigheder samt af muligheden for, at alle tendenser i forbindelse med valget kan komme til udtryk poli tisk.
From time immemorial, Turkey — or the States that preceded it — was the threat against which Europe was able to unite, out of a shared sense of danger.
Hvis Europa-Parlamentet fortsætter med at give sin fulde støtte til det tyrkiske folk med hensyn til gen oprettelsen af demokratiet, bør det afvente de første skridt fra den nye regerings side, før det træffer sine afgørelser.
NORMANTON (ED). — Mr President, in support ing the adoption of the EEC Protocol, may I urge honourable Members of this House to take into account a number of points before they exercise their duty to vote.
Parlamentet har adskillige gange påberåbt sig Fælles skabets principper og vedtaget det ene beslutningsforslag efter det andet, hvor det har krævet fuld gen indførelse af demokratiet i Tyrkiet samt respekt for menneskerettighederne og de demokratiske friheds rettigheder. Det har hele tiden troet på, at dette var den eneste måde, hvorpå man ville kunne bane vejen for en normalisering og genoprettelse af forbindselserne mellem dette land og Fællesskabet.
As we are all aware, Turkey is now part of the free world and, in common with all nations of the free world, it is entitled to our friendship, our respect, but spiritually, morally and even physically, Turkey is not Europe.
Normanton (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg støtter vedtagelsen af EØF-protokollen og vil gerne samtidig bede medlemmerne overveje en række punkter, før de opfylder deres afstemningsmæssige forpligtelser.
Yes, then, to Jacques Mallet's report, yes to association and friendship, but we will not countenance any accession following upon these measures.
For det første må vi huske på den lange tradition, der er for samarbejde mellem Tyrkiet og individuelle medlemslande, som nu er medlemmer af Det Europæiske Fællesskab.
Firstly, let us not ignore the long history of coopera tion between Turkey and individual Member States who are currently members of the European Com munity.