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Et sådant forslag blev fremsat tidligere i dag og fremsættes nu igen.
Such a motion was moved earlier today and is now being moved again.
Hvordan er det muligt, at Parlamentet træffer én beslutning inden frokost og en fuldstændig anden beslutning efter frokost?
How can it be possible that Parliament takes one decision before lunch and a completely different decision after lunch?
I hvilket omfang respekterer De forsamlingens principper ved i det hele taget at acceptere et sådant forslag?
To what extent are you respecting the principles of the House by accepting such a motion in the first place?
Formanden. — De er opfindsom, hr. Pannella, men denne gang kan jeg ikke nægte Dem det.
PRESIDENT. — You are very inventive, Mr Prag, but this time I cannot refuse you.
Artikel 105 finder anvendelse, og vi stemmer.
Rule 105 applies and we shall vote.
Formanden. — Hr. Welsh, inden vi afbrød mødet i formiddags, stemte vi om tilbagevisning til udvalg.
PRESIDENT. — Mr Welsh, before closing this morning we voted on referral back to committee.
Vi har nu stemt efter artikel 105, der drejer sig om udsættelse til et senere møde, og det er noget andet.
We have now voted under Rule 105 which concerns refer ral to a further sitting, which is a different matter.
Jeg beklager, at vor Forretningsorden er så kompliceret, men jeg må rette mig efter den, som den ser ud.
I regret that our Rules are complicated, but I have to apply them as they read.
Jeg kan ikke gøre andet.
I cannot do otherwise.
Von der Vring (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, her er med viden om flertallets holdning gjort et forsøg på at hindre vort Parlament i at træffe sin afgørelse.
VON DER VRING (S). — (DE) Mr President, the request was made in the knowledge that it would have the support of the majority in the Chamber at the time and in an attempt to prevent Parliament from taking its decision.
Det er sabotage mod meningsdannelsen og demokratiet i Det Europæiske Fællesskab, og det karakteriserer forslagsstilleren.
This is sabotage of the development of an informed opinion and of the democratic process in the European Parliament, and it is typical of those who made the request.
Tomlinson (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg vil ikke anfægte Deres skøn, når De tillod afstemning. Men konsekvensen af Deres skøn er, at Europa-Parlamentet nedgøres til en legen cowboys og indianere.
TOMLINSON (S). — Mr President, I do not want to question your judgment in allowing the vote to be taken.
Hvem kan tilrettelægge det bedste baghold eller den mest snu lille manøvre!
Who can organize the best hijack or the most cunning little manoeuvre!
Jeg vil mene, at det mindste, Deres skøn skulle have fået Dem til, var at sørge for, at inden der stemmes, har ethvert medlem af Parlamentet tid nok til at komme fra det sted, han befinder sig i bygningen, og ind i salen for at stemme.
I suggest that the minimum that your judgment should have made you do is to make sure that before a vote is taken every Member of this Parliament has enough time to come from wherever they are in the building into the Chamber to vote.
Weber (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg vil med al min energi udtale mig imod denne afstemning, for jeg finder det simpelt hen umuligt, eftersom der kort før middagspausen allerede er stemt om præcis den samme anmodning.
WEBER (S). — (DE) Mr President, I must protest in the strongest possible terms against this vote, because I find it simply unacceptable: we voted on the same request shortly before the suspension of the sitting for lunch.
Jeg sad i mit kontor, da jeg havde en aftale, og hørte...
I was sitting in my office, because I had an appointment, and heard . . .
Jeg foreslår nu, at De udsætter mødet, at De søger råd hos Parlamentets formand, og at De beder Parlamentets formand om at lede mødet, for De har gjort vore forhandlinger til en farce.
I suggest now that you adjourn this sitting, that you seek the advice of the President of Parliament, that you ask the President of Parliament to attend this sit ting, because you have reduced our proceedings to an element of farce.
Parlamentet forlanger flere beføjelser og kompetence til at ordne Europas borgeres sager.
Our Parliament is demanding more powers and competencies in order to organize the affairs of the citzens of Europe.
Hvis det er det grundlag, vi skal gøre det på, nemlig hvem der bedst kan tilrettelægge et baghold, så vil jeg ikke betro Parlamentet at tilrettelægge et teselskab en søndag eftermidag!
If this is the basis on which we are going to conduct it, namely, who can best organize a hijack, then I would not trust Parliament with organizing a Sunday afternoon tea party!
Formanden. — Tak, hr. Tomlinson, men Forret ningsordenen er tydelig.
PRESIDENT. — Thank you, Mr Tomlinson, but the Rules are clear.
... lag mig tale færdig!... og hørte i min højttaler, hvori jeg fulgte debatten, at der skal finde en afstemning sted, løber herned, kommer i sidste øje blik ind i salen og har ikke en chance for at deltage i afstemningen.
.. . please let me finish . . . and heard on the relay equipment, on which I was following the debate, that a vote was to be taken.
Jeg mener, at på den måde gør man Parlamentet til grin!
I raced down here, arrived in the Chamber at the last moment, only to find I was too late to take part in the vote.
Det undrer mig, at jeg her i salen for første gang ser så mange franske medlemmer på samme tid.
This is the first time I have seen so many French people here in the House at one time.
Jeg anser det for utroligt, at der her — åbenbart forberedt — på dette tidspunkt finder en afstemning sted, der allerede har fundet sted én gang inden frokost pausen.
I think it is incredible that a vote, which was already taken before lunch and was obviously carefully orchestrated, should be taken at this time.
På den måde kan vi ikke behandle hinanden. den.
We cannot treat each other like this.
.at De udsætter modet!)
Immediately, in my view, is immediately.
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WELSH (ED). — Rule 105 in the English text it says:
Viehoff (S). — (NL) Hr. formand, at hr. Pannella er så smart, at han ud fra to artikler kan udløse en ny afstemning, er ikke Deres skyld.
CATHERWOOD, Sir Fred (ED). — Mr President, I listened to Mr Pflimlin this morning and he made a superb speech.
Men hvis De vil give folk her i Parlamentet et hjertetilfælde, fordi de må styrte gennem bygningen som vanvittige for at nå rettidigt frem til en afstemning, finder jeg det uhørt.
I don't agree with him, but I think that he made one of the best speeches we have heard in this Parliament.
Vi burde i det mindste have ventet, indtil medlemmerne roligt havde indtaget deres plads her i salen.
I respect Mr Pflimlin as a former President and as a Mayor of Strasbourg and I respect the fight that he has made for Parliament to remain in this place.
Formanden. — Fru Viehoff, artikel 105 i Forret ningsordenen går ud fra, at medlemmerne er til stede, og siger: Forslaget sættes straks under afstemning. ning.
PRESIDENT. — Mrs Viehoff, Rule 105 of the Rules of Procedure which reads 'The motion shall be put to the vote immediately' assumes that the Members are present at the sitting.
Men jeg vil spørge hr. Pflimlin, vor tidligere for mand : Lægger De virkelig Deres autoritets vægt bag denne anmodning for anden gang om at tilbagevise Prag-betænkningen?
But I would ask Mr Pflimlin, our former President, do you really put the weight of your authority behind this demand for the second time to refer back the Prag report?
Vil De venligst bede Deres kolleger om ikke at gøre det, hr. Pflimlin?
Would you please ask your colleagues, Mr Pflimlin, not to do this?
Det vil volde umådelig skade.
It will do immense damage.
Vi har en fornuftig betænkning i overensstemmelse med Forretningsordenen.
We have a reasonable report within the Rules.
Vil De ikke være så venlig at bede dem om ikke at komme med denne anden anmodning og ikke lægge Deres formandskabs vægt bag det?
Will you please, please ask them not to make this second demand and not to put the weight of your presidency behind it?
Spørgsmålet er politisk nok til, at vi sammen med andre kolleger må forlange, at hr. Plumb kommer til stede her, for det er en vigtig sag.
You are well aware that our French colleagues were in the Chamber to hear Mrs Charzat before we arrived.
Coste-Floret (RDE). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg vil minde om, at der er et præcedens for denne sag.
COSTE-FLORET (RDE). — (FR) Mr President, I wish to point out that there is a precedent on this.
Da fru Chourakis betænkning om familien, der også var en yderst vigtig betænkning, skulle behandles, fandt der en første afstemning om udsættelse af debatten sted. Det blev afvist, og dagen efter, ved forhandlingens genoptagelse, fandt der en anden afstemning sted om tilbagevisning til udvalget, og det blev vedtaget.
When Mrs Chouraqui's report on the family, which was also an extremely important report, came before the House, a first vote was taken on a motion to adjourn the debate, which was rejected, and when the debate was resumed the next day, there was a vote on a motion to refer the report back to committee, which was passed.
Men det er de selv samme, der protesterer i dag, som brugte denne procedure for at få fru Chourakis betænkning tilbagevist.
The people who are protesting today are the same people who used this procedure to get Mrs Chouraqui's report referred back.
Derfor siger jeg for min del. at Forretningsordenen er vor lov. den er retten.
My own view is that the Rules are our law. They are sacrosanct and must be applied.
Den skal anvendes.
(Loud applause)
De har anvendt den. det har De gjort ret i. og parlaments medlemmernes pligt er at være til stede, at være til stede på ethvert tidspunkt under mødet.
In 1985, when votes were being taken on objections to topics for urgent debate, I was working in my office. Mr Thomas von der Vring reintroduced the subject of the Prag report.
Van den Heuvel (S). — (NL) Hr. formand, jeg må indrømme, at De som formand ikke kan gøre for. at Parlamentets medlemmer bruger Forretningsordenen til obstruktion.
VAN DEN HEUVEL (S). — (NL) Mr President, I have to admit that, as President, you cannot prevent Members of this Parliament from using the Rules of Procedure obstructively. It is not your fault.
Det er ikke Deres fejl, vi skulle måske se grundigt på dette punkt endnu en gang.
We should perhaps take another careful look at the Rules of Procedure in this respect.
Men det er Deres fejl, at De udlægger det på en sådan måde, at medlemmer, der hørte klokken et
But you are to blame for interpreting this rule in such a way that Members who heard the bell for the vote somewhere in this building and immediately came to the Chamber arrived too late to vote.
De gik ikke straks til afstemning. De ventede et øje blik.
You did not call the vote immediately.
Prag (ED), ordforet: — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg finder det meget vanskelig at acceptere Deres begrundelse for den fart, hvormed afstemningen blev afholdt.
PRAG (ED), rapporteur. — Mr President, I find it very difficult to accept your justification for the speed with which that vote was taken.
Inden hr. Pannella bad om afstemning, kom en af Deres embedsmænd hen til mig og spurgte mig, om jeg ville acceptere at oplæse et kompromis forslag — en såre rimelig anmodning, for der var ikke tid til at få denne tekst trykt, oversat og omdelt.
Before Mr Pannella asked for the vote, a member of your staff came to me and asked me if I would accept that I should read out a compromise text — a quite reasonable request, because there was no time to get that text printed, translated and distributed.
De rådførte Dem endog med Deres sagkyndige, om hr. Pannella virkelig havde ret, og det er kun prisværdigt, at en formand gør det.
You even consulted your experts to check whether Mr Pannella was right, and that is altogether laudable in a President.
Da han var færdig med at tale med mig, hr. for mand, var hr. Pannella kommet med sin anmodning, og afstemningen havde fundet sted.
By the time he had finished talking to me, Mr President, Mr Pannella had made his request and the vote had been taken.
Jeg kan ikke tro, at man ved en afstemning, der finder sted under sådanne forhold, når jeg ikke engang hørte, hvad der blev foreslået forsamlingen, og når et medlem af Deres stab faktisk snakkede med mig, legitimt og regulært kan træffe en beslutning af den art.
I cannot believe that by a vote taken in such circumstances, when I did not even hear what was being put to the House and when one of your staff was actually talking to me, a decision of that kind can legitimately and properly be taken.
Det er måske beklageligt, at vi har en procedure for afstemning, hvor reglerne er sådan. Alle og enhver har allerede ærgret sig over, at de ikke har kunnet nå at komme ned i salen i tide til at stemme.
It is perhaps regrettable that our voting procedure is organized in this way.
Men sådan noget sker.
But these things happen.
Lad os derfor være demokratiske og acceptere det, der blev vedtaget.
We should be democratic and accept the outcome of the vote.
Formanden. — Hr. Estgen, jeg mener ikke, det er nødvendigt, at ethvert medlem fortolker sagen.
PRESIDENT. — Mr Estgen, I do not think it is necessary for each Member to give an interpretation of the matter.
Men i dag synes De at præsidere over demokratiets negation.
But today you appear to be presiding over the negation of democracy.
De har beføjelse til at rette op på denne situation ved at udsætte enhver yderligere overvejelse af denne sag indtil i aften til det tidspunkt, hvor afstemningen om Pragbetænkningen oprindelig skulle have fundet sted.
You have the power to redeem that position by deferring any further consideration of this matter until this evening at the time at which the vote on the Prag report was originally to have been taken.
Jeg mener, at jeg kun kan give ordet til medlem merne for indlæg til Forretningsordenen om den aktuelle situation og ikke om andre ting.
I believe that one can only call Members to speak on points of order on the matter in hand and not on other matters.
Hvis alle giver sig til at komme med fortolkninger, bliver vi jo aldrig færdige.
If everybody starts giving his own interpretation we will never finish.
De har den beføjelse, hr. formand.
You have that power, Mr President.
Jeg beder Dem indtrængende om at bruge den ved denne lejlighed.
I beg you to use it on this occasion.
Kan De præcist forklare forsamlingen, hvad den stemte om?
Could you clarify to the House exactly what it voted on?
Har jeg ret i, at den stemte om at udsætte forhandlingen og afstemningen til fredag formiddag i denne uge?
Am I right in saying that it voted to adjourn the debate and vote until Friday morning of this week?
Negri (NI). — (IT) Hr. formand, jeg har sjældent været med til en så animeret debat efter en afstemning.
NEGRI (NI). — (IT) Mr President, I have rarely been present at such an animated debate after a vote has been taken.
Jeg anmoder Dem nu, hr. formand, om at lade os fortsætte vort arbejde og gå over til det næste punkt på dagsordenen.
I now ask you, Mr President, to make it possible for us to continue our work and move on to the next point on the agenda.
Der har fundet en afstemning sted, der har allerede været en ret langvarig debat...
A vote has been taken, we have already had a sufficiently full debate . . .
Formanden. — Ja, hr. Prout, det er en god bemærk ning.
PRESIDENT. — Yes, Mr Prout, that is a good point.
Hr. Pannella foreslog udsættelse af forhandlingen til fredag formiddag.
Mr Pannella proposed postponing the debate until Friday morning.
Er det det, vi lige stemte om?
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Jeg vil være her på fredag for at stemme for Pragbetænkningen.
Donnez voting we are all of us going to be able to catch planes that will get us home by a reasonable time?
Formanden. — Mødet på fredag vil blive lagt sådan til rette, hr. Happart.
PRESIDENT. — Friday's sitting will have to be organized accordingly, Mr Happart.
Donnez (LDR). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg agtede ikke at tage ordet i denne debat, men også jeg er medlem af Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlemmernes Immunitet, og jeg mener at kunne sige, at De anvendte Forretningsordenen fuldkommen rigtigt.
ber of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities, and think I can confirm that you applied the Rules absolutely correctly.
Naturligvis glæder det ikke alle.
Of course, that is not to everyone's liking.
Undertiden glæder det ikke mig, at Forretningsordenen anvendes.
There are times when I do not like it when the Rules are applied.
Det er i øvrigt derfor, man lejlighedsvis prøver at ændre den.
That is precisely why attempts are made from time to time to change them.
Charzat (S). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg er meget overrasket og kan ikke acceptere indsigelserne fra nogle kolleger, der mener, at afstemningen i henhold til artikel 105 fandt sted, uden at mødet var genoptaget. taget.
CHARZAT (S). — (FR) Mr President, I am very surprised and cannot accept the protests from some honourable Members who are claiming that the debate had not resumed when the vote on Rule 105 was taken.
Jeg må sige, at jeg var her kl. 15 præcis, og at jeg havde ordet som taler for Den Socialistiske Gruppe...
Let me make it clear that I was here at 3 o'clock on the dot and spoke on behalf of the Socialist Group,
Men i det foreliggende tilfælde har De ganske klart kun strikt anvendt vore regler, og jeg behøver vel ikke igen at minde om, at Forretningsordenen definitivt er lov for vor forsamling.
But in this instance it is quite clear that you simply applied our Rules strictly. Does it need to be repeated that the Rules are categorically the law of this House?
Lad os anvende retten.
We must apply the law.
Lad os anvende loven, vor fælles lov, og lad os være fair, selv om det ikke behager alle.
It is the same law for all of us, and we must show a spirit of fair play, even if what has happened is not to everyone's liking.
Men begrebet fair play er jo britisk.
But fair play is a very British concept.
Jeg tvivler ikke et eneste øjeblik på, at vore britiske kolleger til syvende og sidst vil bøje sig for Deres beslutning.
I do not doubt for a moment that our British colleagues will eventually accept your decision. sion.
Pajetta (COM). — (IT) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, tillad en, der har siddet i parlamentet fra 1945 at mene, at det, som her bliver kaldt for fair play, i virkeligheden er, hvad franskmændene ville kalde »une ruse« og italienerne »un trucco«, et trick.
PAJETTA (COM). — (IT) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, I know you will allow some one who has sat in Parliament since 1945 to take the view that what has just been defined as 'fair play' is in fact what the French would call a ruse and the Italians a trick.
Efter mit indlæg bad hr. Pannella om anvendelse af artikel 105.
When I had finished, Mr Pannella moved an adjourn ment under Rule 105.
Jeg er forbavset over, at denne fuldstændig regulære fremgangsmåde mishager netop dem, der ustandselig fremhæver Europa-Parlamentets interne ret.
It is surprising that this perfectly proper procedure should have attracted objections from certain people, since they themselves are forever invoking Parliament's Rules.
Den har netop ved denne lejlighed manifesteret sig på en yderst regulær måde, og jeg mener, at kollegerne burde have været til stede.
What has been done in this instance is entirely regular, and my view is that Members should make sure they get to the Chamber in time.
I 1985 derimod var afstemningen ikke bebudet blandt de uopsættelige sager, og mange kolleger blev taget på sengen.
In 1985, when this topic had not been listed among the requests for urgency, a lot of Members were caught unawares.
Jeg vil altså bede Dem erkende, at proceduren har været regulær, og at protesterne fra nogle af de her tilstedeværende kolleger nærmest er ondskabsfulde.
So I would ask you to con clude that the procedure was perfectly correct and that the protests from certain Members in the Chamber are rather ill-intentioned.
Under frokosten fandt der en — kan man se — animeret udveksling sted om fælles idealer mellem hr. Pannella og hr. Le Pen.
It is true that the application of the Rules of Procedure has given rise to an element of doubt that was also expressed by some French Members, but I think that, if only out of decency, this debate cannot be post poned.
Arndt (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, i en sådan situation er det bedst, at Parlamentet endnu en gang overvejer, hvad der skal gores.
ARNDT (S). — (DE Mr President, in a situation like this the best thing is for Parliament to reconsider what should be done.
Vi har netop i Det Udvidede Præsidium hort om det.
We have just heard about this in the enlarged Bureau.
Fru Veil har med styrke protesteret imod det, fordi det ud fra Forret ningsordenen var hendes opfattelse, at en sådan anmodning ikke kunne gentages.
Mrs Veil protested in very strong terms, because she felt the Rules of Procedure did not allow a request of this kind to be made twice.
Jeg anmoder derfor om, at man tager et øjebliks tid til at overveje sagen sammen med Parlamentets formand. Lord Plumb, selv om han ikke ønsker at komme her og give os en redegørelse.
I there fore propose that we suspend the sitting now to allow the enlarged Bureau to adopt a position, after which the President can make a statement.
Arndt dede Præsidium kan tage stilling til det, og formanden derefter kan afgive en erklæring.
PRESIDENT. — Mr Pajetta, I believe that this is clearly a matter which will have to be discussed shortly in the enlarged Bureau.
Formanden. — Hr. Arndt, afstemningen blev ikke gentaget, idet der før frokostpausen blev stemt i henhold til artikel 103 i vor Forretningsorden.
PRESIDENT. — Mr Arndt, the vote was not repeated since the vote taken before the midday break was taken under Rule 103 of the Rules of Procedure.
Ganske vist troede jeg oprindelig, at hr. Pannella ønskede en gentagelse, men jeg tog fejl.
Indeed I did originally think that Mr Pannella wanted to have the vote retaken, but I was wrong.
Han hen holdt sig klogeligen til artikel 105.
He very cleverly invoked Rule 105.
Kl. 15.30 vedtog De at udsætte forhandlingen til kl. 16.15, og klokken er nu 16.30.
I can guarantee that now that I have seen this sterile, spoilt-brat attitude, there is no doubt which way my vote will be cast on Friday.
Vi havde visse drøftelser i Det Udvidede Præsidium, og vi oplever selvfølgelig en gang imellem, at der gives 117 for skellige fortolkninger af forskellige artikler.
I shall be here on Friday, of course to vote in favour of the Prag report.
Men efter drøftelsen i Det Udvidede Præsidium, og idet jeg tager hensyn til alle forhold, især mit ansvar i henhold til artikel 18, foreslår jeg nu i henhold til artikel 74, stk. 2, at dagsordenen for i dag ændres således, at Pragbetænkningen igen sættes på dagsordenen med omgående virkning.
We as the European Parliament are seeking more powers, but some of us are manipulating procedures to defeat the will of the European Parliament as expressed in this morning's vote.
Arndt (S). — (DE) Ordet » 105« blev ganske rigtigt nævnt.
ARNDT (S). — (DE) Reference was certainly made to '105'.
Det har også generalsekretær Vinci bekræftet.
This has been confirmed by the Secretary-General, Mr Vinci.
Jeg kan dog kun gengive, hvad der blev sagt i Det Udvidede Præsidium.
All I can do now is pass on what was said in the enlarged Bureau. It is easy to check this.
Det kan man simpelt hen kontrollere.
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Formanden. — Hr. Arndt, jeg har kontrolleret det hos mødetjenesten.
PRESIDENT. — Mr Arndt, I checked that with the sessional services.
Man sagde til mig, at i mandags blev der stemt om dagsordenen.
I was informed that a vote was taken on the agenda on Monday.
I formiddags blev der stemt i overensstemmelse med artikel 103.
This morning a vote was taken pursuant to Rule 103.
Så blev artikel 105 ført frem.
Then Rule 105 was invoked.
Heller ikke jeg havde forudset dette.
That was something which I also did not anticipate.
Nu er det sket, og det skete fuldt og helt i overensstemmelse med Forretningsordenen.
However, that is what occurred and it took place completely in accordance with the Rules of Pro cedure.
Inden jeg sætter dette under afstemning — og jeg vil nøje holde mig til reglerne — tillader jeg én taler at tale for og én taler at tale imod.
favour and one speaker to speak against.