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Såfremt der ikke er sket ændringer, går alt godt, men i modsat fald går det ikke godt.
They criticized our colleague who retorted angrily by saying that the trade unionists were trade unionists in name only.
Formanden. — Hr. de la Malene, der vil blive draget omsorg for, at den forudsete taletid er til rådighed.
They lodged a complaint and called — I quote — for the 'exemplary punishment' of Mr Tsimas.
De Grønne i Europa­Parlamentet har anmodet om opførelse af en redegørelse fra Kommissionen om Fællesskabets politik over for Kina.
Moreover, if the judiciary has to become involved in such cases, they should be dealt with by the civil courts and not be the subject of criminal proceedings, involving us in quite pointless and superfluous work.
Van der Waal (NT). — (NL) Hr. formand, der er i øjeblikket opført tre betænkninger fra Transportud­valget på dagsordenen for torsdag.
McCUBBIN (S). — Mr President, referring to Rule 71(2), it is very important that when we have new rules in the House we apply them rigorously.
Er det ikke muligt at behandle min betænkning, der ligeledes er udarbejdet for Transportudvalget, men som er opført til fredag, sammen med de øvrige tre betænk­ninger torsdag?
I understand there are 550 amendments to the Bocklet report, so it is very important that tomorrow, before the debate, the President makes a clear statement as to the position on that debate and the following vote.
De ansvarlige kommissærer vil være til stede og kan udtale sig om alle fire betænkninger på én gang.
If he does not and everything is left open the Bocklet report will be used as a precedent for everybody else tabling amendments in future and all the hard work that has been done by the Bureau and the groups to accelerate the procedures of the House will be in vain.
Såfremt tiden ikke måtte tillade det, kan min betænkning blot udsættes til fredag.
It is extremely important that tomorrow we get a clear statement as to procedure.
(Den således ændrede dagsorden vedtoges) ')
Please explain why you are raising another point of order and what the matter is.
Aglietta (V). — (IT) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne anmode Kommissionen om at komme med en for­klaring vedrørende den pressemeddelelse, der siger, at den kinesiske udenrigsminister i denne uge — mellem den ottende og den fjortende i måneden — skal besøge ikke blot London, men også Bonn og Bruxelles, hvor han specielt vil blive modtaget af næstformand Andriessen og formanden, hr. Delors, selv.
HARRISON (S). — Mr President, as my colleague Mr Defraigne has explained, a group of 13 officials of the Greek national intelligence service launched a complaint on 9 June 1989 against our colleague Mr Tsimas, who was then director of the Greek national intelligence service.
Det drejer sig om, hvorvidt formanden vil gøre brug af sin ret til at foretage samlet afstemning i forbindelse med af­stemningen om betænkningerne af Bocklet, eller forretningsordenens gamle bestemmelser vil blive anvendt.
We in the Rules Committee were convinced that we were dealing with a partisan quarrel that the officials had with Mr Tsimas.
Dette har betydning for behandlingen af de udvalgsudtalelser, der endnu ikke har været forelagt Landbrugsudvalget.
We were convinced that the quarrel was of a political nature and, moreover, we did not believe that the applicants had any justification for their application for the waiver of the immunity to take place.
Ved flere lejligheder har både Rådet, Kommissionen og Europa­Parlamentet under henvisning til den indstilling, man var enedes om efter begivenhederne på Den Himmelske Freds Plads, bekræftet, at for at genoptage de officielle forbindelser og samarbejdet med Kina krævedes der en ændring af laudets politik vedrørende overholdelse af menneskerettighederne, religionsfrihed, og tibetanernes frihedskrav.
We also believed that the very fact that they called for exemplary punishment to be levied on Mr Tsimas demonstrated that fumus persecutionis was operating. We therefore very much support Mr Defraigne.
Formanden. — Hr. Graefe zu Baringdorf, som det kunne forventes, vil forretningsordenens nye bestem­melser blive anvendt, men mødeformanden vil retti­digt informere Parlamentet om afstemningsproce^ duren.
GRAEFE ZU BARINGDORF (V). — (DE) Mr President, you have replied in very general terms.
MeCubbin (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, det er vigtigt, at forretningsordenens artikel 71, stk. 2, overholdes, og at nye bestemmelser anvendes stringent og præ­cist.
If the new Rules of Procedure are to apply, there is a contradiction between the possiblity of block votes on the one hand and the existence of committee amendments.
I modsat fald kan Parlamentet ikke udføre sit
Parliament must decide on that or rather the Bureau must put a decision to the House.
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The President in the chair will inform the House on the voting procedure to be employed and the matter will be duly examined to ensure that the vote is held in good order.
tilfredsstillende.
Waiver of parliamentary immunity
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GIL-ROBLES GIL-DELGADO (PPE). — (ES) Mr President, the Group of the European People's Party also endorses the conclusions of Mr Defraigne for the reasons set out in the report.
Aktuel og uopsættelig debat (foreslåede emner) — Taletid
Therefore, in line with the principle of rejecting such requests where there is well-founded doubt regarding the latter, my group will vote in favour of Mr Defraigne's proposal that the request be rejected.
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(Parliament adopted the decision)
Jeg vil derudover gerne vide, om det i forbindelse med dette møde drejer sig om officielt at genoptage samarbejdet med landet.
PRESIDENT. — The next item is the report (Doc.
Jeg vil gerne minde òm, at en sådan holdning i Kommissionen ikke ville være retfærdiggjort, og man ville handle i modstrid med egne erklæringer og også med Rådets, hvis seneste stammer fra den 17. december sidste år, og endelig med den indstilung, Europa­Parlamentet har udtrykt ved flere lejligheder.
A30076/92) by Mr Defraigne, on behalf of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities on the application for the parliamentary immunity of Mr Konstantinos Tsimas to be waived.
McCubbin ophævelse af den parlamentariske immunitet, fordi det var en politisk strid.
PRESIDENT. — The next item is the report (Doc.
Hvis retsvæsenet skal indblandes i sager som denne, bør afgørelsen træffes ved en civil domstol, og de skal ikke føres som straffesager, der kun påfører os helt unødvendigt og overflødigt arbejde.
A30077/92) by Mr Defraigne, on behalf of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities, on the request for the parliamentary immunity of Mr Giuliano Ferrara to be waived.
Det er af allerstørste vigtighed, at vi i morgen får klar besked vedrørende proceduren.
Our colleague, Mr Ferrara, was a journalist before becoming a Member of Parliament.
Formanden. — Formanden er sig de omtalte vanske­ligheder fuldt bevidst, problemet vil blive undersøgt, og forsamlingen vil blive rettidigt informeret om proceduren, så at der ikke skal herske tvivl med hensyn til anvendelsen af forretningsordenens bestemmelser.
GIL-ROBLES GIL-DELGADO (PPE). — (ES) Mr President, the Group of the European People's Party will, of course, vote, as it did in committee, in favour of Mr Defraigne's proposal, but would point out that it does not entirely agree with the view that fumus persecutionis may be involved.
Hr. Graefe zu Baringdorf, De har allerede én gang haft ordet for et indlæg til forretningsordenen. De må nu forklare, hvorfor De ønsker ordet for en bemærkning til forretningsordenen, og hvilken over­trædelse af bestemmelserne det drejer sig.
However, since what we are voting on is not the statement of grounds but the resolution, we are completely in favour of the resolution and of Mr Defraigne's proposal and will vote in favour, as we did at the relevant meeting of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities. munities.
Harrison (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, som hr. Defraigne har forklaret, indgav en gruppe på 13 tjenestemænd i den græske nationale efterretningstje­neste en klage den 9. juni 1989 mod hr. Tsimas, som på daværende tidspunkt var leder af den nationale efterretningstjeneste.
The subject of the broadcast was proceedings brought against another of our colleagues, Mr Tortora, who was accused in Italy of being a member of a criminal organization and of drug trafficking.
De klagede over, at han havde offentliggjort en erklæring, som var til skade for dem og forlangte en principiel dom.
He was convicted by the court of first instance but acquitted by the court of appeal, a judgment confirmed by the Italian supreme court.
Vi i Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlem­mernes Immunitet var overbeviste om, at det drejede sig om en partipolitisk uoverensstemmelse, som tje­nestemændene havde med hr. Tsimas.
Mr Ferrara criticized, quite severely, it would appear, the way in which the case had been dealt with.
Vi var overbe­viste om, at uoverensstemmelsen var politisk begrun­det, og endvidere mente vi ikke, at klagerne havde nogen rimelig grund til at anmode om ophævelse af hans immunitet.
Given the decisions of the courts, he would not seem to have been wrong.
Vi mente også, at netop det, at de anmodede om, at hr. Tsimas skulle gives en princi­piel dom, viste, at der var fumus persecutionis. Vi støtter derfor varmt hr. Defraigne.
Certain judges, I would not go so far as to say 'with the vanity common to all judges', as I would be accused of exaggeration, brought a complaint seeking to have criminal proceedings instituted against Mr Ferrara for having, as it were, commented on and more widely publicized the truth already established by the courts.
Parlamentet må for­holde sig til dette problem, og Præsidiet må træffe en afgørelse.
They are clearly based also on the right to information and freedom of speech — that goes without saying.
GU Robles Gü Delgado (PPE). — (ES) Hr. for­mand, PPE­Gruppen tilslutter sig ligeledes hr. Defraignes konklusion og af samme årsager, som fremføres i betænkningen.
GAIBISSO (PPE). — (IT) Mr President, if the House has to express a view on this issue, it should ask the Italian authorities to condemn the judges who have bothered the European Parliament with such a petty matter.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok.
PANNELLA (NI). — (IT) Mr President, since 1979, I have, I believe — with one or two exceptions, as in the Le Pen case, for example — always asked, in this House, for permission to institute proceedings to be granted.
A3­76/92) af Defraigne for Udval­get for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Med­lemmernes Immunitet om anmodning om ophævelse af Tsimas' parlamentariske immunitet.
In point of fact, our approach, as non-violent people, lay people and democrats, has frequently involved making use of provocation by the judiciary.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok.
HARRISON (S). — Mr President, Mr Ferrara is alleged to have claimed in April 1988, during a television programme which he was presenting, that Mr Enzo Tortora who is a former Member of the European Parliament, had been a victim of a judicial error of negligence.
A3­77/92) af Defraigne for Udval­get for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Med­lemmernes Immunitet om anmodning om ophævelse af Ferraras parlamentariske immunitet.
Mr Tortora, who was accused of being a member of a criminal organization and of trafficking in drugs, had been convicted in the first instance but was acquitted by the Court of Appeal.
Defraigne (LDR), ordfører. — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kollega, hr. Tsimas var i Papandreous rege­ringstid fuldmægtig i den græske efterretningstje­neste.
On this occasion, I am totally in agreement with what has been proposed.
I denne egenskab havde han, som det endog forekommer for socialistiske ministre, vanskelighe­der med fagforeningerne. De kritiserede vor kollega, som blev vred og riposterede: »Fagforeningsfolk er det kun af navn.
In Naples, in fact, Giuliano Ferrara would not be in the hands of the legal authorities but in a very serious position influenced by interests of the Camorra which has increasingly taken over the Naples' judiciary.
De har ingen anstændighed og moral. De lyver uhæmmet, og de fleste af dem er børn af juntaen«.
These things have been going on for many years, and, Mr President, those same judges have inevitably taken the same steps in relation to me.
Det blev fagforeningsfolkene ikke synderligt glade for.
Those gentlemen were responsible for an event which I wish to bring to the attention of the House.
De klagede og krævede, at hr. Tsimas fik en »eksemplarisk straf«. Med undtagelse af et medlem, der hverken stemte for eller imod, vedtog Udvalget for Forretningsordenen enstem­migt, at sagen var uvæsentlig og ikke krævede
My friend and colleague, Enzo Tortora, having been cruelly and outrageously convicted by the court of first instance, in breach of the law, in a manner so gross as to rouse to a certain degree the conscience of our country — and that is no easy matter — stated in this Chamber : 'Accede to
Defraigne (LDR), ordfører. — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, jeg vover at sige »efter grækerne, italienerne«. Hr. Ferrara var journalist, før han blev parlamentsmedlem.
We took the view in the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities that the grounds set out by the plaintiffs simply did not justify a request for waiver of immunity and that it was quite proper for this matter to be raised in a television programme.
Udvalget har ikke beskæftiget sig med, om det var en forfremmelse eller en degra­dering, men konstaterede, at han som journalist blev offer for justitsmord— ordet er ikke for stærkt —
Therefore the Committee on the Rules of Procedure unanimously supported our col
Defraigne fra nogle dommeres side, som havde stævnet ham efter en fjernsynsudsendelse, som hr. Ferrera havde planlagt, inden han blev parlamentsmedlem.
PANNELLA against me : those are the facts. It is an attempt to give the impression, in Italy, that I do not want proceedings brought against me although, in fact, they fear such actions because the judges could find the finger pointed at them.
begrundelse i det forhold, at hr. Ferrara blot har udøvet sine legitime ret til at fremsætte kritik og til at informere.
the request that proceedings be taken against me ; if you do not, I shall resign as a member of this House'. And that is the position of all of us in the radical party.
Og for beskyttelsen af disse rettigheder er argumentet om formodning om fumus persecutionis overflødigt — og ville i øvrigt være mere eller mindre vanskeligt at bevise — idet der ganske enkelt er tale om, at Parlamentet forsvarer en grundlæggende rettighed, der gælder for alle, og som er beskyttet på europæisk plan.
We have done this in relation to many issues in Italy: abortion and divorce, for example ; and almost all our party secretaries — Adele Faccio, Emma Bonino and Gianfranco Scardacela — have gone to jail, only to be later recognized as innocent, in order to have uncivilized and barbaric laws amended, and this to the advantage of the whole of the community.
Da det imidlertid ikke er begrundelsen, der stemmes om, skal vi understrege, at vi fuldt ud støtter hr. Defraignes forslag til beslutning, og at vi vil stemme for det, hvad vi også gjorde i Forretningsordensudvalget.
AGLIETTA (V). — (IT) Mr President, I wish to give a brief explanation of vote. I shall not reiterate all that has been said by Mr Pannella, with which I concur.
Fjernsynsudsendelsen drejede sig om en sag mod en anden af vore kolleger, hr. Tortora, som italiensk retsvæsen havde anklaget for at tilhøre en forbryderorganisation og for at have drevet ulovlig narkotikahandel.
I shall be voting in favour of the Defraigne report because it is right that the House should be aware of the corruption of the Naples' judiciary, clearly evidenced by the actions of the three judges involved in this request ; not only was this criminal action by the three in relation to our colleague, Enzo Tortora, making him unjustly serve two or more years in prison as well as causing him health problems which, unfortunately, led to his death, it was also defended by the Naples' judiciary and, more generally, the faction-based justice system in our country.
Han frikendtes ved appelretten, og kassationsretten stadfæstede appelrettens afgørelse. Hr. Ferrara kritiserede tilsyneladende ret voldsomt den måde, hvorpå sagen blev undersøgt.
This all indicates that, in relation to Giuliano Ferrara also, this would be criminal action on the part of the Naples' judiciary, which would not guarantee that justice was properly done and, therefore, would not in fact ensure that Giuliano Ferrara was acquitted and action subsequently taken against the three judges.
Efter rettens afgørelser ser det faktisk ud til, at han ikke havde uret. Nogle dommere, jeg tør ikke sige, »forfængelige som alle dommere«, for man vil da beskylde mig for at overdrive, rejste klage og krævede endnu en gang, at hr. Ferrara fik en straffedom for på en måde blot at have kommenteret og kastet lidt mere lys over den af domstolene allerede stadfæstede sandhed.
Those, briefly, are the reasons why I consider it necessary, in this instance, to vote for the Defraigne report and I believe it may be that were we to be apprised of the outcome of actions every time authorization for proceedings has been given and of the reasons why the Naples courts have not brought proceedings, we would be able to shed some light on the rotten state of justice in Italy.
Pannella (NI). — (IT) Hr. formand, siden 1979 har jeg altid her i salen med en eller to undtagelser som i Le Pens tilfælde anmodet om tilladelse til, at der retsforfølges.
Well, Tortora resigned because, on the basis of the Donnez report and in line with the unanimous view of all Italian members — including his political opponents —Parliament decided that it could not grant permission for proceedings to be taken against him.
Faktisk har vor fremgangsmåde som ikke-voldelige, ikke-religøse, som demokrater ofte været til nytte som provokation over for retssystemet.
Not long after we had refused that permission, Tortora, having resigned from the House, went to jail to confront those judges whose conduct had and continues to bring disgrace upon the judicial system, as we ourselves in Parliament have witnessed in the case of certain judges in Salerno whose actions had nothing in common with justice. They were and are tainted with criminality.
Vi har ofte anmeldt os selv for at sørge for, at man gennem sagens behandling i retten endelig opnåede retfærdighed enten i forhold til tidligere straffe eller til dårlige love.
Colleagues, including Mr Scott-Hopkins and Lady Elles, who is no longer among us, tried to do something to obtain a minimum of justice in relation to certain matters, but realized that this was not possible.
Harrison (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, hr. Ferrara påstås at have sagt under et fjernsynsprogram, som han præsenterede i april 1988, at hr. Enzo Tortora, som er et tidligere medlem af Europa-Parlamentet, havde været offer for et »uagtsomt« justitsmord.
I myself have been a witness in a case linked with that affair, the umpteenth victim, so to speak, in a whole chain, connected with the Tortora case and the kidnapping of a certain Mr Cirillo, forming part of an operation set up by the Camorra, with the assistance of some elements of the judiciary, journalists and politicians, to get hold of tens of thousands of billions of Lire allocated for earthquake damage. All the witnesses to this have been killed.
Hr. Tortora anklagedes for at være medlem af en forbryderorganisation og for salg af narkotika og var i første instans blevet dømt skyldig, men blev frifundet af appelretten.
Two years ago, there was, among others, the murder of a doctor who had frequently visited me, always accompanied by senior members of the judiciary, such as the head of the examining magistrates' office in Avellino, the chief prosecutor for Avellino and Neapolitan judges from the supreme court.
Vi mente i Udvalget om Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlemmernes Immunitet, at de af klageren anførte grunde ganske enkelt ikke retfærdiggjorde en anmodning om ophævelse af immuniteten, og at det var helt rigtigt, at emnet blev fremført i et tv-program.
Despite the fact that this doctor was actually the son-in-law of the brother of the Naples' boss Ventrin, the president of the Banco di Napoli, and, as I have said, constantly in the company of members of the judiciary, the newspapers in Naples did not mention it, nor was any judge questioned.
Derfor støttede vi i Udvalget om Forretningsordenen hr. Defraigne enstemmigt i hans forslag om at afvise ophævelsen af immuniteten.
In Naples, we were responsible for monitoring the allocation of many thousands of billions.
Denne gang, hr. formand, er jeg mere end tilfreds med det stillede forslag. Faktisk ville Giuliano Ferrara i Napoli ikke stå til rådighed for den dømmende myndighed, men ville være infiltreret i et net af mafiainteresser, som har bredt sig mere og mere blandt den napolitanske dommerstand.
GIL-ROBLES GIL-DELGADO (PPE), rapporteur. — (ES) Mr President, the amendment to Rule 5 — which has been the subject of a great deal of discussion in our committee — comprises three elements which 1 shall describe as concisely as possible.
Disse ting har jeg alene påstået i mange år, og det er ikke tilfældigt, at dommerne ikke har taget samme initiativ over for mig.
That being so, it is my wish, Mr Defraigne, that Parliament's committee should look into what has happened to all the requests to allow proceedings made to the House.
Disse herrer har været ansvarlige for en begivenhed, som jeg gerne vil minde Parlamentet om.
They ask because you do not grant them ; if the request is granted, proceedings are not brought
Gil-Robles Gil-Delgado (PPE). — (ES) Hr. for mand, PPE-Gruppen vil selvfølgelig, ligesom den gjorde i udvalget, stemme for hr. Defraignes forslag, men skal samtidig præcisere, at den ikke fuldt ud kan erklære sig enig i relevansen af at henvise til formodningen om fumus persecutionis.
First, it makes it possible to include in that Rule decisions and practices adopted by the committee and by plenary, during the previous and current electoral periods, on various issues: first, the time-limit for taking a decision on the petition.
Gruppen er af den opfattelse, at afvisningen af at imødekomme anmodningen om ophævelse af hr. Ferraras parlamentariske immunitet fundamentalt finder sin
There are legal service reports rejecting the time-limits established in the internal legal systems of the Member States, for the simple reason that this Parliament has always sought to set in place the most uniform system possible, starting
Alt dette får os til at mene, at også over for hr. Ferrara er der tale om, at det napoletanske retsvæsen har handlet med urette, således at man ikke kan garantere retfærdighed og derfor faktisk ikke kunne garantere hr. Ferraras frifindelse og en derpå følgende retsforfølgelse af de tre dommere.
Second, with regard to the arrangement for handling the requests themselves and the representation of the Members concerned, it has been customary for the Member to whom the request relates to be able to have himself represented not only when he is in detention — as provided for under the Rules of Procedure — but also when he is not.
A3-53/92) af Gil-Robles Gil-Delgado for Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlemmernes Immunitet om ændring af artikel 5 i Europa-Parlamentets forretningsorden om ophævelse af immunitet.
Because, Mr President, as has been pointed out here, it unfortunately happens repeatedly that the European Parliament is asked to grant requests — by certain of our Member States in particular — but the relevant proceedings are not subsequently pursued.