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Vi må endnu en gang prøve at finde en løsning, og derfor glæder det mig, at hr. Elliott sagde, at det ikke haster så meget, at vi ikke kan forelægge det for Forretningsordensudvalget.
We have taken a lot of trouble to amend Mr Elliott's report to reflect the views of the committee majority. This necessarily involves making it longer or shorter.
FORMANDEN. — Tak for Deres forståelse, hr. Elliott.
ELLIOTT (PSE). — Mr President, I shall be very brief.
COIMBRA MARTINS (PSE). — (PTj I forbindelse med Elliott-betænkningen er jeg bange for, at vi med en sådan mangel på fleksibilitet er ved at skabe en yderst farlig præcedens, da det reelt vil medføre, at modstanderne af en given ordfører i udvalget kan få vedtaget nogle ligegyldige ændringsforslag og dermed torpedere ordførerens betænkning.
The Rawlings report has proved to be a little more contentious between the political groups and the commit­tee than was anticipated and it is also possible that it may have certain budgetary implications.
Jeg gentager, at dette er en yderst farlig præcedens.
In any event we feel that this report does need to be debated before it is voted on, and if that means that it is postponed to the next session, so be it.
FORMANDEN. — Det er rigtigt.
We feel that it is necessary to have a debate on this report.
LANE (RDE). — (EN) Hr. formand, da nr. 139 og 140, Hindley og Reding, rykkes frem til torsdag og begge har med GATT-vanskeligheder at gøre, og da jeg går ud fra, at kommissæren, Sir Leon Brittan, vil være i salen under debatten, kunne man så ikke bede ham afgive en generel redegørelse for, hvor GATT i alle sine aspekter befinder sig i øjeblikket?
In this case it has become longer but I do not think we can tell a committee, just because its report is not allowed to be any longer, that it should not be too ambitious and not try to set out sensible proposals and amendments! Essen­tially all we can ask Mr Elliott to do is to present something which complies with the strange rules that we have drawn up; Mr Elliott then has no control over what the committee does and should not be blamed for it.
Kan vi desuden, i betragtning af at jeg ved flere lejligheder i spørgetiden i salen har stillet spørgsmål til Rådet om dets arbejde med GATT og om, hvordan det forholder sig med Blair House-aftalen, ikke bede om, at en repræsentant for Rådet er til stede under denne debat på torsdag?
I would therefore urge anyone who has any influence in the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verifica­tion of Credentials and Immunities to use this influence, because we cannot introduce rules which bind us hand and foot.
Jeg vil slutte med at sige, at det er opportunt at få en redegørelse på torsdag, for når vi om fredagen har haft sådanne debatter, har meget få medlemmer været til stede.
PACK (PPE). — (DE) On behalf of Patricia Rawlings who cannot be here today and the Members of our group who signed this motion, I should like to say that we regard this report as extremely important and believe that it should be debated in Parliament.
I øvrigt har vi sat Blair Houseaftalen på dagsordenen for tirsdag.
You gave a very clear ruling at approximately 5.05 p.m.
COT (PSE). — (FR) Hr. formand, i Deres visdom har De besluttet at forelægge denne sag for Forretningsorden sudvalget.
PRESIDENT. — I entirely understand what you are saying but we cannot vote on over 7 pages of resolution.
Jeg mener faktisk, at der her er et principielt spørgsmål, og at Forretningsordensudvalget indgående bør undersøge dette spørgsmål.
The explanatory statement gives you plenty of scope for expressing your views and we have set up a limit of two pages for the actual resolution, which is already very long!
Lad derfor vore kolleger i Forretningsordensudvalget behandle spørgsmålet og i deres visdom, som jeg slet ikke tvivler på, forelægge løsningen for forsamlingen.
We must try again to find a solution and I therefore welcome the fact that Mr Elliott said it was not so urgent that we could not refer the matter to the Rules Committee.
(DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og
For further amendments to Friday's agenda: sec Minutes
Som afslutning vil jeg bare tilføje, at denne anmodning intet har at gøre med afstemningen om strukturfondene.
McINTOSH tion headed by a Danish socialist was despatched.
Det var rene lovgivningstekster til én behandling.
Is it true or false?
(Det således ændrede forslag til dagsorden godkendtes) C-)
PRESIDENT. — This will be checked, Mrs Nielsen.
GALLAND (LDR). — (FR) Hr. formand, klokken er 18.30.
BLAK (PSE). — (DA) Mr President, Mrs Nielsen has raised a very important matter.
Vi har brugt halvanden time på at få begyndt vort arbejde.
But you should not believe everything you read in the newspapers.
Jeg synes, at vore møder mandag eftermiddag er ved at blive aldeles ufornuftige.
I received a personal invitation from an organization known as Red Barnet to take part in delegation mission with them.
Mere end halvdelen af tiden blev beslaglagt til spørgsmål, der strengt taget intet havde med dagsordenen at gøre.
But I made it very clear to the press, which described it as an official delegation, that it was a private invitation to me.
Jeg vil foreslå, at De behandler det i Præsidiet og Det Udvidede Præsidium, for at vi kan overveje dette problem, behandle det sammen med Forretningsordensudvalget og sørge for, at vort arbejde bliver mere koncentreret, så vi undgår det spild af tid, der karakteriserer mandag eftermiddag, og som belaster vort arbejde resten af ugen.
I think that Mrs Nielsen should be glad that some people are showing concern over these dreadful conditions instead of being unduly preoccupied by procedures — but some have to eat the bread of envy.
Jeg mener, vi er nødt til at tænke over denne sag.
PRESIDENT. — Mr Blak, we will be looking into the reports raised by Mrs Nielsen.
ELLIOTT (PSE). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg skal gøre det meget kort.
My understanding is that committees do not meet during part-sessions before 6 or 7 p.m.
Rawlings-betænkningen har vist sig at være lidt mere omstridt udvalget og grupperne imellem, end man havde regnet med, og det er også muligt, at den kan have visse budgetmæssige virkninger.
My first question is: was this Transport Committee meeting at 5 p.m. authorized by you or your offices?
Under alle omstændigheder synes vi, at det er nødvendigt at drøfte denne betænkning, inden der stemmes om den, og hvis det betyder, at den udsættes til næste mødeperiode, så lad det gå sådan.
Secondly, why, when you as President in the Chair requested that the committee discontinue voting, did the committee continue to vote and conclude the vote before 6 p.m.?
Vi mener, at det er nødvendigt at have en forhandling om denne betænkning.
Thirdly, I request that the result of the vote be declared invalid.
Den har blandt andet budgettekniske virkninger, og det bør vi ikke gøre færdigt under »diverse«.
In conclusion, I would just add that this request has nothing to do with the voting on the structural funds.
(Forslaget vedtoges)
(Parliament adopted the agenda thus amended) (')
NIELSEN (LDR). — Hr. formand, jeg bad om ordet, fordi jeg tror, det vil tjene Parlamentet til gavn at få at vide, om det er korrekt, hvad jeg kan læse i en dansk avis i dag, nærmere betegnet Berlingske Tidende, nemlig at en EF-delegation med en dansk socialist har rejst rundt i Rumænien for at se på institutionerne.
LAMBRIAS (PPE). — (GR) Mr President, at the very beginning, before the agenda, I desperately asked to speak because here, two colleagues have tried to bring my country into disrepute.
Jeg ved, at det var noget, der indgik meget alvorligt i min betænkning sidste måned om decharge for 1991. Jeg ved ganske vist også, at Socialistgruppen med hr. Cot i spidsen måtte forklare, at den ikke kunne stemme for.
And indeed, by specious arguments calling for the President of Parliament to intervene, and so to violate certain principles of national sovereignty.
Jeg har fundet ud af, at det ikke er korrekt. Jeg tror, at det for alles skyld ville være gavnligt, hr. formand, om De kunne forvisse os om, at det er korrekt, hvad der står i den danske avis, nemlig at en EF-delegation med en dansk socialist i spidsen har været af sted. Er det løgn eller sandt?
(The President cut the speaker off)
Fru Nielsen, spørgsmålet vil blive
IN THE CHAIR: MR CRAVINHO Vice-President
McINTOSH (PPE). — (EN) Hr. formand Jeg tager ordet om anmodningen fra Rådet om, at Parlamentets Udvalg om Transport og Turisme afgiver udtalelse om tre andre punkter.
KOSTOPOULOS (NI). — (GR) Mr President, concern ing what Mr Galland said, I have the impression that during the last few Plenaries in this House...
BLAK (PSE). — Hr. formand, fru Nielsen rejser et meget vigtigt spørgsmål.
(The President interrupted the speaker)
Nu skal manjo ikke tro på alt, hvad der står i aviserne.
GALLAND (LDR). — (FR) Mr President, it is now 6.30 p.m.
FORMANDEN. — Hr. Blak, det af fru Nielsen rejste spørgsmål vil under alle omstændigheder blive under søgt.
PRESIDENT. — Thank you, Mr Galland, for that suggestion. I will pass it on and I am sure it will be considered carefully.
Mit første spørgsmål er: Var der givet tilladelse til dette møde i Transportudvalget af Dem eller Deres kabinet?
You let Mr Galland speak for three minutes, to tell us that you ought not to allow us, once a month, before the agenda, to mention two or three topical problems.
For det andet: Hvorfor fortsatte udvalget, selv om De som formand anmodede om, at udvalget afbrød afstemningen, med at stemme og afsluttede afstemningen inden kl. 18?
I think what Mr Galland did was unacceptable, contrary to the parliamentary spirit, and inconsistent with a spirit of cooperation between Members of the House, and I am sorry that he comes from a small, liberal party.
For det tredje anmoder jeg om, at resultatet af afstemningen erklæres ugyldigt.
And you, Mr President, are telling me that I do not have the right to speak?
Vil formanden være så venlig at svare på disse spørgsmål?
PRESIDENT. — That is not what we are discussing at the moment.
Procedure uden forhandling — Procedure uden betænkning — Anmodning om anvendelse af uopsætteligbedsproceduren — Frister for ændringsforslag og beslutningsforslag — Aktuel og uopsættelig debat (foreslåede emner): se protokollen.
NIELSEN (LDR). — (DA) Mr President, I asked for the floor because I think it would be good for Parliament to know whether what I was able to read in a Danish newspaper today, Berlingske Tidende, is correct, namely that an EC delegation with a Danish socialist has been travelling round Romania looking at institutions.
For yderligere ændringer af fredagens dagsorden: se protokollen.
Deadline for tabling amendments and motions for résolutions — Topica! and urgent debate (subjects proposed) — Speaking lime: see Minutes
LAMBRIAS nitet vurderet, at det ville være letsindigt at fratage medlemmet og Parlamentet den sikkerhed, som immuniteten giver.
GIL-ROBLES GIL-DELGADO alleged to have been made on television, of which only two out-of-context sentences are cited.
ROGALLA (PSE). — (DE) Hr. formand, hvis jeg ikke tager fejl, er jeg den første, der i dag taler for De Europæiske Socialdemokraters Gruppe; jeg er mig æren bevidst, det vil jeg gerne udtrykkeligt understrege.
So, Mr President, it is impossible to say whether, in this speech, there was any insult or injury to the honour of groups or individuals which could justify the waiver of parliamentary immunity.
LAMBRIAS (PPE). — (GR) Hr. formand Jeg bad forgæves om ordet under første del af forhandlingen, inden vi startede på dagsordenen, idet to medlemmer her forsøgte at bagvaske mit land. De argumenterede endda for, at Parlamentets formand skulle gribe ind, hvilket er en krænkelse af den nationale suverænitet.
Given these circumstances, Mr President, the Committee on Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities is of the opinion that it would be rash to deprive Parliament and the Member in question of the guarantee provided by immunity.
Jeg vil gerne sige angående de telefonaflytninger, som to af medlemmerne talte om, hvor de anklagede mit land for at have krænket menneskerettighederne, at det græske parlamentet har besluttet at nedsætte et undersøgelsesudvalg i denne sag
And in line with the principle that we have always upheld of protecting the free speech of Members, the Committee unanimously recommends to the House that it rejects the request.
FORMANDEN. — Hr. Lambrias, dette spørgsmål er ikke på dagsordenen.
A colleague has just mentioned that when we asked for the text of the broadcast in the context of which Mr Stamoulis is being accused, the Greek authorities told us that they were not able to supply it.
Vi kan ikke gå nærmere ind på emnet her, da Deres bemærkning til forretningsordenen i realiteten er et indlæg.
So on what basis are we to judge? I say this because as a member ofthat committee, I have repeatedly observed that requests for waiver of immunity arrive from various parliaments, which are deficient in terms of both relevant material and legal foundation.
I sagen om ophævelse af hr. Stamoulis' immunitet drejer det sig igen om friheden til at ytre sig — en af grundopgaverne for demokratiske landes parlamentsmedlemmer — og jeg vil først påpege, at vi — som i enkeltheder skildret af ordføreren — efter grundige overvejelser i Udvalget for Forretningsordenen, Valgs Prøvelse og Medlemmernes Immunitet fuldt ud kan tilslutte os ordførerens konklusioner.
ROGALLA (PSE). — (DE) Mr President, I believe I am the first speaker to take the floor today on behalf of the Group of the Party of European Socialists, and I should like to say that I regard this as a great honour.
KOSTOPOULOS (NI). — (GR) Hr. formand, angående hr. Gallands indlæg har jeg på de sidste møder her i Parlamentet fået det indtryk
KOSTOPOULOS (NI). — (GR) Mr President, besides the argument put by Mr Ephremidis, with which I agree, I would first like to concur with the report which correctly states the reasons for waiving the immunity of Mr Stamoulis, especially since the Greek authorities have picked out sentences which will in due course lead to specific charges.
De lod hr. Galland få ordet, hvor han talte i 3 minutter for at sige, at vi ikke bør have mulighed for en gang om måneden, inden dagsordenen, at tage nogle aktuelle problemer op.
It is true, Mr President, that at that time Greece had been transformed internally into a vast courtroom for the political elimination of the present government's opponents.
Og så siger De, at jeg ikke har ret til at tale, hr. formand?
It was inevitable that there would be some political bias.
Dette er et forsøg på at give os mundkurv på for at undgå, at vi en gang om måneden
In this case, it is also reinforced by Article 10 of the protocol on privileges and immunity, which precludes the waiver of immunity for matters related to the free expression of ideas or political convictions. tions.
Også i gruppen har vi i forbindelse med denne sag — ikke mindst i betragtning af medlemsstaternes mange anmodninger om ophævelse af immunitet — på ny beskæftiget os med emnet og gemtagne gange overvejet, hvordan vi skal forholde os over for de statslige myndigheder, hvordan vi ved retssager skal forholde os til medlemmer nes immunitet.
After this matter was raised, our group too considered the matter once again, not least because of the large number of requests for waivers of immunity from the Member States, and we considered how we should react to the national state authorities and how we should approach the question of Members' immunity in legal proceedings.
Under disse overvejelser er vi faktisk kommet frem til en stadfæstelse af det gamle princip om selvfølgelig at respektere medlemsstaternes retsvæsen og justitsmyndigheders funktion.
In fact when we considered the issue we merely reaffirmed the longstanding principle that we should of course respect the role of the judicial authorities in the Member States.
Altså vil vi ved sådanne anmodninger som regel fortsætte med at følge princippet om ophævelse af immuniteten.
Normally, therefore, we would abide by the principle of waiving immunity in such cases.
Dermed gøres der samtidig en vis reverens til medlemsstaternes retsvæsen og justitsmyndigheder.
This constitutes as it were an expression of respect for the judicial authorities in our Member States.
Under henvisning til forretningsordenen anmoder De om et svar på hr. Lambrias' indlæg, men af samme grund som denne fik frataget ordet, kan jeg heller ikke give Dem tilladelse til at indlede en debat om dette spørgsmål.
I will therefore vote for the report, which is moved by this spirit, and thereby oppose the waiver of immunity for Mr Stamoulis.
På den anden side har vi nu som før opstillet to vigtige regler, der i den enkelte sag gør det tilrådeligt enten endnu en gang at gå til bunds i sagen eller at afvise ophævelse af immuniteten.
On the other hand we have upheld two important rules which mean that in individual cases the matter either needs to be investigated once more in detail or the waiver of immunity refused.
Her drejer det sig i første række om et tilfælde som det foreliggende: Ytringsfriheden, et parlamentsmedlems fremstilling i den politiske debat i et medlemsland.
And this is the case which we are presented with today: the question of freedom of speech as exercised by a Member as part of the political debate within a Member State.
Vi har også fundet et andet aspekt, som i årenes løb er dukket op den ene gang efter den anden, nemlig formodningen om politisk forfølgelse ellerfumus persecutionis, som latinerne kalder det.
There is also a second case which has come up time and again in recent years — that of political persecution, known to Latin scholars asfumus persecutiones.
FORMANDEN. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok.
In such cases of persecution we do not feel that immunity should be waived.
Til sidst kommer jeg til den anskuelse, at vi i disse tilfælde bør indrømme medlemsstaten en vis præference uden dog derfor at give afkald på udvikling af en europæisk »retspraksis«.
In conclusion therefore I would say that in some matters we wish to give the Member States preferential rights, but on the other hand we do not wish to abandon the attempt to develop European law.
Derfor bør immuniteten ved behørigt motiverede anmodninger ophæves, men med to undtagelser: Ytringsfriheden og forfølgelse af politiske grunde.
Therefore in general we would waive immunity in justified cases but with two excep tions: freedom of speech and political persecution.
GIL-ROBLES Gil-DELGADO (PPE), ordfører. — (ES) Hr. formand, anmodningen om ophævelse af hr. Stamoulis' parlamentariske immunitet er baseret på nogle erklæringer, der angiveligt er fremsat i en tv-kanal, og hvoraf kun to løsrevne passager nævnes.
EPHREMIDIS (CG). — (GR) Mr President, in connection with this request concerning Mr Stamoulis, there is something to which I want to draw the House's and the Bureau's attention. I am a member of the committee that
EPHREMIDIS (CG). — (GR) Hr. formand, jeg henvender mig her til Parlamentet og Præsidiet vedrørende anmodningen om ophævelse af hr. Stamoulis' parlamentariske immunitet.
VECCHI (S). — (IT) Mr President, I would first of all like to express my thanks to Mr Gil Robles for the excellent work he has done in drawing up the report on the request for the parliamentary immunity of Mr Stamoulis to be waived.
Jeg er medlem af Udvalget for Med lemmernes Immunitet, og der har vi bemærket, at anmodningen er mangelfuld.
The conclusions he reaches are generally shared and constitute the reason for the institution of parliament ary immunity, which seeks to protect the European Parliament against attempts to limit its independence and political sovereignty.
Som et medlem sagde før, anmodede vi om at få udleveret en tekst med de udtalelser, som det pågældende medlem anklages for at have fremsat, men fik at vide af de græske myndigheder, at de ikke var i stand til at give os denne.
Indeed, the dispute between the Greek authorities and Mr Stamoulis concerns certain observations by him on the relationship between the judicial and the political authorities.
Jeg benytter lejligheden til at sige dette, da jeg som medlem af udvalget flere gange har bemærket, at vi fra forskellige parlamenter får anmodnin-
It is clearly not our business to make a judgement on the merits of those statements, but it is surely the business of this Parliament
EPHREMIDIS gende kriterier, som vi som medlemmer af Det Demokratiske Venstreparti anvender ved undersøgelsen af sager om immunitet.
VECCHI acceptable that the agenda of the House is over-burdened by requests of this kind.
ger om ophævelse af parlamentarisk immunitet, som er mangelfulde både med hensyn til det relevante materiale og med hensyn til retsgrundlaget.
to affirm that no-one, least of al! a Member of Parliament, may be prosecuted merely for having expressed legitimate political opinions.
Resultatet er arbejde til udvalget og til Parlamentet, men også at parlamentsmedlemmer i månedsvis går rundt med en anmodning om ophævelse af deres parlamentariske immunitet på grund af en lovovertrædelse hængende over hovedet.
I would like, therefore, to again express my support for the report presented to us here and to indicate that we will oppose the waiver of Mr Stamoulis' immunity.
Immunitetsinstitutionen kan ikke og bør aldrig blive til et privilegium for det enkelte medlem.
I take this opportunity, as have other colleagues, to confirm the fundamental criteria underlying the case in point which, as members representing the democratic party of the left, we apply when examining cases of parliamentary immunity.
Den bør aldrig være et instrument, man ustraffet kan nyde godt af også i tilfælde af alvorlige forbrydelser.
Such criteria are all the more significant the more the European countries in which they are used, and above all in Italy, where numerous cases have arisen and, indeed, beyond individual cases, there has emerged a whole system of improper relations between politics and business, between politics and crime.
Immuniteten bør være absolut med hensyn til mangel på skyld, det vil sige, når det drejer sig om stemmer og meninger udtrykt i forbin delse med parlamentsmandatet.
This makes the abuse of the rule of parliamentary immunity unacceptable in the eyes of the citizens; it is also incompatible with the very meaning of democracy.
Det er så nødvendigt at beskytte medlemmet, således som det forøvrigt er nød vendigt at beskytte alle borgerne mod den såkaldte urigtige anvendelse af udtryksfriheden.
As in many earlier cases concerned with the waiver of immunity, the authorities should be criticised for the fact that on the one hand they felt it necessary to appeal to Parliament and give it this burden of work but then made no response to queries from Parliament.
Det kan med andre ord ikke lade sig gøre at begrænse nogens udøvelse af fredelig og demokratisk politik.
If my suggestion were followed that such cases no longer came before the House, this would not only lead to a reduction in the burden on Parliament's agenda but hopefully also mean that such requests for the waiver of our immunity were not made in the first place.
Det er sandt, at Grækenland på det pågældende tidspunkt internt var forvandlet til en stor retsproces med henblik på politisk udslettelse af modstandere af den nuværende regering.
It must never confer impunity, particularly in the case of serious offences. Immunity must give complete unaccountability when it concerns votes and opinions expressed in the exercise of a parliamentary mandate.
Det har derfor været en stor politisk belastning.
In short, it cannot be possible to curtail anyone's exercise of peaceful and democratic political activity.
Men heldigvis sikrer forfatningen parlamentsmedlem mernes ytringsfrihed og frihed til at fremsætte kritik og kontrollere visse retsfunktioner og lovenes funktion generelt.
But with regard to any other hypothetical offence, it is in the interest of both the institution and the individual not to obstruct in any way the due process of law, taking into account the fact that on the whole we live in countries where the rules of the state grant each of us the right to be equal before the law.