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Ib Christensen (ARC). — Hr. formand, Folkebevægelsen ønsker, at Danmark selv bestemmer over sin skatte- og afgiftspolitik og sin alkoholpolitik.
I agree entirely with the various speakers who appeal for even-handed, fair and equitable treatment as between the various products.
Vi ønsker også at sikre det finansielle grundlag for velfærdsstaten.
I especially would underline — since it was somewhat understated — what the last speaker said about cider.
Beskatning af alkohol bør i øvrigt ske efter alkoholprocent, således som Kom missionen og Parlamentet var indstillet på oprinde ligt.
I could not agree more with what Mrs Daly said and I would add that to what has been said about the beer versus the wine.
Derfor skal vin beskattes hårdere end øl.
It is a fact that more beer is now being drunk in the southern countries than has been hitherto and conversely, more wine is being drunk in the northern states.
At ligestille de to produkter er uantageligt, sundheds mæssigt og konkurrencemæssigt.
So why this attempt to unbalance the whole situation to give an advantage to wine over beer and over spirits and particularly over cider ?
Helt grotesk bliver det, når Ministerrådet vil friholde vin for beskatning, men det rimer naturligvis godt med, at Fælles skabet poster en snes milliarder kroner om året ud i produktion, salg og oplagring af vin og tobak, plus al svindelen i forbindelse hermed.
There is no justification for it and there are many reasons why it should not happen, not least because in the countries where these various products are manufactured, distilled or brewed, they have been there for many generations, they are the source of much of our employment and this is something which the Commission, the Council and particularly this Parliament must take due note of.
Vi stemmer for ethvert ændringsforslag, der forhøjer minimumssatserne og ligestiller på grundlag af alkoholprocent.
There is just one other point I would like to make in conclusion : I feel this debate on the approximation of excise duties has shown that this Parliament can play the role of a driving force for European integration and that European compromises are possible.
Vi forbeholder os vor stilling ved den endelige afstem ning.
But I must say once again that I find it regrettable that it was not possible at Maastricht either for a majority decision to be taken on fiscal harmonization or for Parliament to be given more rights in this area.
Punktafgifter er rent faktisk en arkaisk beskatningsteknik, der går tilbage til menneskehedens skatte mæssige barndom med skat på salt, sæbe og stearinlys. Symbolet herpå er forbrugsafgiften.
RANDZIO-PLATH (S). — (DE) Madam President, I believe we all know from the many years of very intensive debates we have had on excise duties that not only do private feelings and preferences, cultural differences, customs and habits play a major role in this, but that it is, of course, also a question of the revenue side of the various national budgets that will determine how excise duties are approximated.
Alt dette blev fejet af bordet med indførelsen af merværdiafgiften.
It is therefore understandable that our rapporteurs had so much difficulty.
I Nordeuropa har nogle originale stater imid lertid fastholdt punktafgift-systemet samt et par andre excentriciteter såsom venstrekørsel og syltetøj til kød.
I must say that I welcome the fact that Mrs Catasta, Mr Beumer and Mr Bernard-Reymond have helped to bring about a genuine European compromise with their reports — something that neither the Commission nor the Council has really achieved.
Vi afviser denne tendens, da den inden for ram merne af en industripolitik omhandler vindyrkningmerne af en industripolitik omhandler vindyrkningsprodukter placeret inden for en landbrugsstrategi, der er fastsat på grundlag af EF-regler, der sætter faste rammer for produktionsbetingelserne. I den henseende har vi i Frankrig det famøse eksempel med »vins doux naturels« fra Roussillon.
I hope, Madam Commissioner, that you will be able to count on the European Parliament's support again and again when you try to have your views accepted by the Council, and like us, you will understand that — in the case of value added tax, for example — Parliament and the Commission are, in the final analysis, in the better starting position.
Man må derfor være på vagt over for dramatiske og uacceptable økonomiske og sociale følgevirkninger.
Not really out of concern for public health but from worry about a possible fall-off of sales if they were to do it all in one go.
I moderne tid tog tanken om at bibeholde punktafgifterne, som hr. Patterson og hr. Bernard-Reymond netop har gjort opmærksom på, sit opsving i 1972.
As the single market is completed and the frontiers are removed, any kind of distortion of competition due to excise duties must, of course, be avoided.
Europa-Parlamentet afviste en sådan harmonisering i 1974 — jeg står her med beslutningen.
Commissioner can explain the reasoning behind that zero rate.
ham er værdien af et Van Gogh-maleri lig med prisen på den maling, der er brugt til billedet, og et medikaments værdi afhænger af, hvor mange kilo kemiske stoffer, der medgår til fremstillingen.
Then there is tobacco. There are plenty of reasons, practically and realistically, for leaving out certain categories of tobacco.
Des værre er De nok uvidende om, hr. Patterson, at det ikke er tilstrækkeligt at putte 12% alkohol i en liter vand for at fremstille en liter vin.
If we tax snuff and chewing tobacco it will cost more to collect the tax than we shall ever get out of the excise.
Dernæst snesevis af nætter til at overvåge vinen.
I don't think that serves the interest of our citizens.
100% af producenterne og 90% af forbrugerne er allerede harmoniseret på grundlag af nulsatsen. 7% er underlagt et afgiftssystem, nemlig tre nordiske stater, heriblandt Irland, der beskatter en liter vin med 18 FF. Ja, der skulle harmoniseres...
The dietary and therapeutic properties of wine, which are recognized by modern science, can be summarized as follows : wine is a food, a tonic, it steadies the nerves, it is a digestive, a diuretic, a restorative, a bactericide, an anti-allergen, and it is good for the cardiovascular system.
De får således heller ingen statsindtægt på grundlag af afgifter på vin.
The enthusiasts for high excise duties should realize this and vote for my zero rate amendment.
Nu kommer jeg til de katastrofale følgevirkninger.
In the case of pipe tobacco and cigars it is certain that excessive duty on these would mean the end of those categories.
Det koster 2,20 FF at fremstille en liter vin.
And that should never be the aim of an excise duty.
Hvis De dertil lægger 1,35 FF i punktafgift, er det slut med de 60.000 bedrifter i Languedoc-Roussillon. Det er slut med de 120.000 vinavlere i Languedoc-Roussillon. lon.
So let us say we are making an adjustment, not reorganizing things.
Ligesom en sådan harmonisering er ligegyldig budgetmæssigt set, er den det på det sundhedsmæssige plan. Fru Ernst de la Graete hidsede sig op til de helt store højder.
I must also express my surprise that the Commission, in its proposal on tobacco varieties other than cigarettes, wishes to make the system of those Member States where hardly any smoking tobacco is used into the general system.
Men det er ikke vodka, der har slået millioner af mennesker ihjel, det er hendes socialistiske venner. Og de britiske hooligans i Heysel havde helt sikkert ikke drukket vin.
The mixed system comprising an ad valorem component and a specific component seems to me far preferable since the Member States with the largest sales of this product use that system and could graft it on to the system used for cigarettes.
Og fordi man på 3,5 mia. m2kan bygge 3,5 mio. villaer.
Here again, the Luxembourg agreements of 24 June are balanced.
Deres planer om harmonisering af punktafgifter dækker over den største ejendomstransaktion i men neskehedens historie.
The texts drawn up in the light of those agreements have been on the Council's table since 20 January.
De har til hensigt at gøre vinavlerne i mit område til Europas palæstinensere og omdanne Languedoc-Roussillon til vindyrkningens Vestbred.
In my country, VAT on these products is going to rise from 6% to 12% and then 15%.
Det siger vi klart og tydeligt nej til! Husk på Montredon.
In my view, any proposal for higher levels is unacceptable.
Usikkerhed om de tekniske aspekter.
BEUMER (PPE). — (NL) Madam President, I would like to raise just five points, because time is short.
Om beregningsgrundlaget, satser, klassificering, kontrol og retsgrundlag.
Firstly I must thank Mrs Catasta, on behalf of my group too, for all her patient and resourceful work.
Først taltes der om aritmetiske gen nemsnitsværdier, dernæst om minimumssatser og målsatser.
Secondly, I think Mr Cox's question can be answered satisfactorily.
I juni 1991 talte man så om en nulsats.
We have had clarification of the amendment.
Usikkerhed med hensyn til retsgrundlag.
So I think that matter is resolved.
Vi troede, der var tale om harmoni sering på grundlag af artikel 99, men hr. Metten sagde »nej, overhovedet ikke, der er tale om fri bevægelighed.« Artikel 100.
Thirdly, I should stress that my group will be voting for the convergence programmes as it has indicated and that means that we too shall be taking account of the sometimes difficult position of small businesses.
Usikkerhed om beregningsgrundlaget, fordi der findes drikkevarer, der ligner hinanden, fordi der findes erstatningsdrikkevarer.
LULLING (PPE). — (FR) Madam President, the greatest merit of the reports we are debating today is not to be found in their very controversial content but in the fact that they at last give Parliament the opportunity to take a position, which it ought to have done long ago.
Således er det nødvendigt at inddele i kategorier: alkoholholdige drikkevarer, ikke-mousserende vine, mousserende vine, mellemprodukter og der næst indføre en sondring mellem vin og øl.
Whatever the line taken by the majority in this House, it will fortunately do nothing to change the unanimous agreement reached by the Council on 24 June 1991, which was achieved under the presidency of the smallest Member State.
Guderne må vide, at Domstolen i Luxembourg har afsagt domme i denne sag, for også på dette felt kan den ene udskiftes med den anden.
With respect to Mr Hänsch, who wants to exclude the small countries from the presidency, that was indeed a considerable achievement, and one without which neither the single market nor economic and monetary union could make further progress.
Endelig skelnes der mellem landbrugsvine og industrivine, og navnlig, hr. Patterson, mellem destillerede produkter og gærede produkter, dvs. vin.
Fourthly, on the subject of wine I should like the Commissioner to tell us how she thinks the Member States should react if for example private citizens bring carloads of cigarettes across the border, without any controls, and are then able to sell them again in another country.
Vin er ikke et industri produkt.
Will the Commissioner say a little more about that?
Det er ikke te. Det er ikke en urt udblødt i vand.
My penultimate observation: SEITA told us that in 1972 the Council took a decision to use retail prices as a reflection of the differences in tariffs.
Det er et kulturprodukt, og dette medfører, at hr. Patterson får fejl i slutregnskabet.
I should appreciate your views on whether that is still done and make the point that retail prices ought then to reflect a real cost.
Ribeiro (CG). — (PT) Fru formand, på mødesessionen i juni under debatten om harmoniseringen af afgifterne forsøgte jeg i et kort indlæg at understrege betydningen af de forelagte betænkninger.
In view of the situation as it stands, I nevertheless have to say to the House that although there was a chance majority of a single vote in the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy in favour of a report which calls for a single rate per percentage point of alcohol as the basis of assessment, this solution takes no account of the fact, among other things, that wine and beer are foods, to be taken in moderation like all others, foods for which a zero rate is appropriate.
Dagen efter Økofin-mødet, den 11. juni, kunne man mærke fremskridt hen imod en tilnærmelse af momssatserne; men man kunne også konstatere en generel mangel på enighed og navnlig, at spørgsmålet om punktafgifter fortsat forblev uløst.
I did in fact propose this in an amendment in committee, which should have pleased those who want to put wine and beer on an equal footing, but they voted against it.
Parlamentet kan ikke tillade sig at kaste med sten på Kommissionens eller Rådets glashus.
The Council has opted for applying the zero rate to wine, which is current practice in half the Member States.
Denne brave hr. Patterson foreslår at beskatte vin på grundlag af alkoholindhold.
Lastly, I need an update on the commitment to action by the various countries.
Det vil sige, at for
Please help with that.
Ribeiro fiskalt — som er indbyrdes forbundne, hvilket jeg skal uddybe i det følgende.
SCRIVENER, Member of the Commission. — (FR) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, these are very difficult matters, it is true, as you have all rightly stressed.
Derfor har jeg ønsket at understrege betydningen af denne mangel.
They are the ones submitted today to Parliament for its opinion.
Vedrørende det fiskale aspekt er der allerede givet udtryk for betydningen af de statsindtægter, der stammer herfra, og som kan anvendes til omfordeling af rigdommen.
As I have already told the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy, I would remind you that I have appeared before your committee on this subject on four occasions.
Jeg vil derfor koncentrere mig om det kulturelle aspekt, der under alle omstændigheder danner bag grund for de forskellige indlæg.
For the time being, the Council has not reached an overall agreement on excise duties on alcoholic beverages. But it has agreed on a number of points.
Under udvalgsarbejdet var der en, der sagde, at der var tale om en konfrontation mellem vinkultur og ølkultur.
The Commission will state its position on the overall result reached by the Council on this matter.
Også her i salen er en sådan udtalelse blevet fremsat, men jeg tror ikke, den har sin rigtighed.
But we now have to be quick, to meet the deadline of 31 December 1992.
Jeg tror snarere, der er tale om tolerancens kultur over for syndens kultur.
This, as you know, is the deadline for the abolition of fiscal frontiers.
Læg mærke til, at generelt er det de reformerte lande, der har høje afgifter på alkohol, og med en sociologisk forenkling kan man sige, at i de lande, hvor den religiøse Reform har gjort sig gældende, er det at drikke en syndig fornøjelse, der skal sones med betaling af, i dette tilfælde, skat.
It is therefore important for Parliament to give its opinion on the Commission's proposals and its support to the Commission. This will be a great deal of help to me, as you know, in bringing the current negotiations to a conclusion.
Når det drejer sig om alkoholholdige drikkevarer, ser man en konfrontation mellem udnyttelsen af ressourcer som solen og industrielle interesser.
I turn now, Madam President, to tobacco. I wish to thank Mrs Catasta once again for the work she has done on this.
Det er en mærkværdig nord-sydproblemstilling.
The Commission is maintaining its proposals.
Derfor er det glædeligt, at disse betænkninger er nået frem til plenarforsamlingen, hvilket er sket, fordi Udvalget om Økonomi, Valutaspørgsmål og Industripolitik har formået at kommet ud af dødvandet.
The Council has chosen to present them differently on the basis of a 57% tax burden in particular, together with detailed conditions setting a bracket for the specific excise duty. This presentation does not conflict with the Commission's proposal.
Bortset fra utallige tekniske forbehold og andre forbehold, vil jeg komplimentere ordførerne og udvalgets for mand, hvis enorme arbejde og søgen efter konsensus gjorde dette muligt.
The amendments proposed by the European Parliament in the light of the Council's position contain features that are technically incompatible, and that is why it is impossible for me to accept them.
I den igangværende skatteharmoniseringsproces må vi udvise gensidig tolerance og respekt og acceptere ofre.
There have long been two schools of thought on the means of achieving it, and there have been occasions, as we have just seen, when passions have run high.
De, der opfatter mangelen på sådanne afgifter som en vildfarelse, må forstå, hvilke kulturelle og sociale problemer, der opstår som følge af indførelsen af en sådan afgift på vin i lande, hvor den ikke på forhånd findes, f.eks. i Spanien.
On the one hand there are the advocates of predominantly ad valorem taxation, and on the other those who favour predominantly fixed or specific rates of taxation. Many of the amendments suggested tend to reopen this debate, but I am unable to join in, for reasons which you will readily appreciate.
Alle må gøre en indsats for at udvise gensidig forståelse og bringe ofre.
Once again, there is no need for us to settle this debate in order to achieve the aim of the single market.
Jeg skal blot komme ind på et enkelt punkt vedrørende denne beskatning af alkoholholdige drikkevarer, idet jeg mener, at da der ikke er tale om en værdiafgift eller beskatning på grundlag af alkohol procent, bør der ikke afgiftsmæssigt sondres mellem mousserende og ikke-mousserende vine.
On the amendments concerning taxation by degree of alcohol, the Commission is unable to incorporate what is being proposed. Each of the fiscal categories covers specific and quite distinct realities which in some cases entail reference to other policies, one example being the agricultural policy.
Det ville derfor glæde mig, om der også opnåedes konsensus i plenarforsamlingen i sin helhed.
This will enable us gradually to step up our action to promote health and combat cancer.
Som reaktion på visse indlæg opfordrer jeg medlem merne til at behandle spørgsmålet seriøst og uden nogen form for farisæisk holdning.
I also readily agree to Amendment No 7 on other tobacco products, calling for Parliament to be consulted on the adjustment of rates under the revision clauses.
Ikke ret mange af de tilstedeværende tror formodentlig på argumenter om højere afgifter på alkohol og tobak og dermed højere priser som middel til at nedsætte forbruget af disse produkter.
I can accept the principle of a derogation allowing Spain an additional two years in which to reach the minimum rates, although the wording of Amendment No 9, paragraph 3, is inappropriate as it stands, for reasons that I have explained previously.
Carvalho Cardoso (PPE). — (PT) Fru formand, mine damer og herrer, jeg vil i mit indlæg hovedsageligt beskæftige mig med vinene, da ulemperne for de andre drikkevarer ikke er så udtalte. De forsøg, som Kommissionen har gjort for at harmonisere punktafgifterne på alkoholholdige drikkevarer i medlemsstaterne, startede allerede i 80'erne.
I have nevertheless of course carefully noted what has been said by all the speakers in favour of this, and if in the years ahead the twelve Member States were to think it useful to have such a debate on taxation by degree of alcohol, they would be able to do so on the basis of the revision clauses that have been included.
Des værre betød de alle store tab for gærede produkter, navnlig vin, og dermed også for de vinproducerende medlemsstater.
But the circumstances are not right at this stage.
Ville nogen i fuldt alvor — hvis vi ser bort fra personlige fordomme — påstå, at prisen er det afgørende for forbruget af disse produkter?
Of the amendments concerned with the structures, the Commission is able to accept Amendments Nos 5, 8 and 14.
Findes der en seriøs undersøgelse af sammenhængen mellem ændrede ryge- eller drikkevaner og prisforhøjelser?
Of those on rates, I shall be brief, since the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy has supported the Commission's proposals.
Efter min mening gør der sig med hensyn til beskatning af alkoholholdige drikkevarer to grundlæggende problemer gældende — et kulturelt og et
I accept Amendment No 13 calling for Parliament to be consulted and for unanimity to be required for adjustments of rates, although there needs
Carvalho Cardoso fine balance, som hr. Patterson har forsøgt at ind føre i debatten.
Similarly, I can give a commitment on working out an appropriate solution for snuff and chewing tobacco.
af borgere, der har tilknytning til vindyrkning. Fast sættelsen af en minimumssats på 50% af målsatsen for vin og øl fra 1. januar 1992 og endvidere bestemmelsen om, at målsatsen kunne nås ved halvårlige tilnærmelser fra 1994 — i henhold til Kom missionens forslag og Rådets beslutning — ville få katastrofale følger, navnlig for vin.
BEUMER (PPE). — (NL) Mr President, my understand ing is that the Commissioner has said she will be upholding her proposals, which we shall support, at least as far as the Economic Affairs Committee is concerned, in the Council.
Man ville derefter få svært ved at nå til enighed om overgangen til målsatsen i Rådet, og det endelige resultat ville være en alvorlig beskatning af vinforbruget i de lande, der traditionelt forbruger dette produkt.
Some of the amendments concur with this, others call for a faster rate of increase from higher starting figures, for public health reasons in particular, while yet others seek lower rates, in the interests of farmers.
Derfor kan vi ikke støtte Kommissionens forslag i dets nuværende udformning, og vi er glade for at erfare, at Rådet allerede har besluttet at fastsætte O-satsen for vin.
But many of your suggestions, legitimate though they may be, refer generally to other non-fiscal policies, such as the agricultural policy or to national budgetary decisions.
Det var ønskeligt, om Kommissionen, inden den insisterede på nye forslag, udarbejdede en omhyggelig undersøgelse af følgevirkninger af forslaget om højere afgiftssatser — i hver medlemsstat og for hvert produkt: vin, øl, etc., fordelt på produkter og baseret på nuværende forbrug.
That has already been pointed out. However, I can agree to Amendment No 2c to the proposal amending the 1972 and 1979 directives on taxes other than turnover taxes levied on the consumption of tobacco, which allows exemption for tobacco used in scientific tests conducted in the course of scientific research.
Hvad vi bør gøre, fru formand, er at definere et afgiftssystem, der tager behørigt hensyn til, at for skellige produkter i større eller mindre grad kan erstatte hinanden på markedet.
My second point is more of a problem. The Com missioner has been somewhat unclear on whether she will agree to Parliament's request for a survey or study.
Ideelt ville jeg gerne have en beskatning af alkoholiske drikke, der var baseret på deres alkoholindhold; en enkelt afgiftssats, der stod i forhold til dette indhold.
I think that neither Commission nor Council can deny Parliament such a study if there are good reasons for one. And there are.
Herved tages der naturligvis hensyn til den generelt accepterede norm, at destillerede drikke pålægges højere afgifter end gærede.
I refer you to rulings by the Court of Justice. I refer you also to the Commission's position in the past and to a resolution in 1986.
Det er derfor, jeg stærkt støtter kompromisændringsforslaget til Bernard-Reymond-betænkningen om en ny artikel 18 A, som jeg i modificeret form først stillede forslag om i udvalget.
So I think the Commission has to agree to a request by Parliament, approved by a large majority in the Economic Affairs Committee, for a study of the feasibility of making the kind of link we suggested.
Heri efterlyses en afgift, der i fremtiden skal være proportional med alkoholindholdet.
So I would urge it once again to take this question very seriously.
Den går også et vigtigt skridt videre ved at insistere på, at man ved første revision af politikken, der skal finde sted ikke senere end 31. december 1994, ikke må ændre de endelige punktafgifter i en sådan grad, at forskellen mellem satserne eller gennemsnittet af satser, der er fastsat inden for hver enkelt kategori af drikkevarer, vokser.
I should be very sorry if the refusal to commission a study which is important to us, which was in itself a compromise, were to cause a delay.