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Vi ved også, at fællesskabsstrategien med udskydelse af beslutningerne har til formål at udsulte en stålindustri som den baskiske, da en stadig usikkerhed medfører tab, og meningen er at overlade hele det resterende marked til oligopolerne.
Whilst it is only proper to use ECSC funds to ensure the restructuring of the steel industry — and we must give priority to programmes that have social measures, that help to create new economic opportunities and genuine longterm social benefits in the areas affected by these closures — we must also be careful to ensure that the funds are not misused or exhausted and are available to meet the full obligations that they have to serve under the Treaty until its expiry in 2004.
Vi kan således konstatere, at Fællesskabets indre økonomiske og sociale ulighed uddybes, mens den økonomiske og sociale samhørighed ligner en dårlig vittighed.
I wish to say to the Commission that I think in that capacity it is very important that it consult the trade unions before action is taken, particularly with regard to social measures.
Jeg er ikke den, der lægger et godt ord ind for protektionisme, men Kommissionen skulle for længst have fastsat mængdekontingenter og forhandlet sig frem til mindstepriser.
So you would have a greater chance of succeeding if you played all your trump cards and particularly if you gave yourself sufficient legal instruments if only to be used in order to dissuade.
At det her siges, at den vil overveje det, er jo udmærket — men hvorfor har den ikke gjort det for længe siden?
But you are without them today and those you face know that full well.
Jeg ville gerne have endnu et par mere konkrete svar fra Kommissionen på, hvad der skal ske i den kommende tid med henblik på at komme ud af denne krise i Europa.
That is why, despite the fact that I sincerely want you to succeed, I fear you will fail.
Det er heller ikke rimeligt at foregive noget sådant i den nuværende situation, hvor vores arbejdsløshed er tre gange så høj som EF-gennemsnittet. Vi må derfor endnu en gang vedholdende kræve en aktiv fælles skabspolitik over for den generelle krise i den europæiske stålindustri.
If it has to use the powers of Article 58 then so be it, but I appeal to the Commission to consider a system of minimum prices and to allow some competition on the basis of delivery on time and quality, so as to ensure that those that survive are the fittest to survive.
von WOGAU (PPE). — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, på næsten alle punkter er jeg af en anden mening end fru Hoff, men på ét punkt er vi enige: Der er stor fare for, at virksomhederne i jem- og stålindustrien, som bærer det egentlige ansvar, nu venter på, hvad delstat, forbund og EF gør i stedet for at handle selv.
REDING (PPE). — (FR) Mr President, I was born in a steel-producing region and back home we know all about steel crises.
Det første ansvar for, at kapaciteten reduceres og de nødven dige foranstaltninger træffes, ligger hos jem- og stålindustrien og dens virksomheder!
Not all that long ago every single inhabitant of Luxembourg had to contribute to keeping an ailing steel industry afloat.
Jeg eraf den opfattelse, at Kommissionen følgeren rigtig linje, når den er forsigtig med at anvende de foranstaltninger, der står til dens rådighed, og når den nu tager hensyn til de erfaringer, der blev indhøstet under den sidste stålkrise.
National solidarity enabled us to rebuild business on a solid foundation with no dramatic consequences for the thousands of steel workers who had to leave their jobs in the blast furnaces and laminating works.
GARCIA ARIAS (S). — (ES) Hr. formand jeg vil geme her gøre opmærksom på den bekymring, der i mit land — og specielt i to af dets regioner — næres over den situation, vi nu er kommet i.
LULLING (PPE). — (DE) Mr President, exactly eight months ago, we in this House discussed what should be done, after the year 2002 when the Paris agreement expires, with the large amounts of money which have accumulated as reserves.
For nogle måneder siden fremlagde den spanske regering en ny plan for at tilpasse den spanske stålindustris størrelse til markedssituationen.
I noticed at the time that there was no end to the fantastic notions of various honourable Members concerning the use of those resources.
Vi må endnu en gang slå fast, at denne plan — set i sammenhæng med den europæiske stålindustri — griber effektivt ind og hænger godt sammen, og at den endvidere vil få alvorlige konsekvenser i de to regioner, der her er blevet nævnt, Baskerlandet og Asturien.
Some even wanted to set up a foundation. Even at that time, I said in this House that all was not well with the steel industry and that it would be better to reduce the ECSC levy rate than fantasize about the possible use of the monies accumulated after 2002.
Hvad konkurrencen angår, er jeg enig med hr. næstformand Bangemann i, at vi absolut skal sørge for, at stålkodeksen anvendes konsekvent.
Provided they are not designated guarantee funds, they must be used primarily for the social measures needed to offset shut downs and restructuring.
Det går ikke, at firmaer, der er konkurrencedygtige internationalt, ved slutningen af denne krise ikke er der mere, medens andre, som ikke er konkurrencedygtige, stadig er der.
Social measures are required not only where a whole complex is shut down but where individual plant within it is shut down and where there is restructuring. Here too aid must be available, including on the basis of the ECSC reserves.
Hvad angår den sociale opfølgning af denne proces, som forekommer mig at være det afgørende, bør vi gøre alt for at finde midlerne dertil på Fællesskabets og EKSF's budget.
In a few years we moved from 30,000 persons employed in the steel industry to 8,000 and we created one of the most competitive businesses in the whole of Europe.
Jeg er absolut af den opfattelse, at vi bør overveje, om ikke også EKSF's reserver kunne anvendes her.
And now we are told we must further reduce, restructure yet once more.
Den findes i Traktaterne, men når det kommer til at udmønte den i praksis i fællesskabspolitikkerne, glimrer den ved sit fravær.
In Luxembourg the minimum was reached a long time ago.
Man anerkender simpelthen ikke de ofre, der må ydes i de to regioner, som rammes særlig hårdt, også med andre industriomlægninger.
And now, instead of destroying entire regions, instead of draining them of their substance, instead of robbing them of their identity, is it not high time that we realized that individual and society's needs are more valuable than short-term commercial accounts?
Det gælder Asturien, som også af hensyn til EF er ved at omlægge kulsektoren og landbruget.
When will the EC act along those lines?
Jeg bliver nødt til at sige, at jeg ikke kan acceptere, at min region bliver til en region med udvandring, pensionister og arbejdsløse.
I come from a steel manufacturing community where we know that the loss of one job in the steel industry can result in the loss of as many as four jobs in other sectors, and these cannot be replaced overnight.
Jeg tror, økonomisk og social samhørighed betyder andet og mere end det.
Here too, social costs are incuned, and these will have to be taken into account.
I Nervión — Baskerlandets industriområde par excellence — har venstrefløjen netop gennemført en generalstrejke, som vandt tilslutning fra hundredetusinder af mennesker fra alle samfundsgrupper.
At any rate, I do not think it is in the workers' interests to allow the employers unilaterally to do what they want, without any check from us on the flow of aids, nor to fail to show greater determination towards the United States.
De strejkende havde det helt klare mål at forsvare sig mod såvel EF' s som Madrid-regeringens indgreb i stålindustrien, idet disse opfattes som angreb på den baskiske stålindustris fremtid og hele landets økonomiske fremtid.
Yes we can restructure, yes we can create competitive tools, but only if we pay heed to the workers' aspirations and ensure that Europe does not sacrifice its independence in terms of steel, because apart from overcoming the cunent difficulties we must also safeguard the future.
Med hensyn til Østlandene tror jeg, at velgørenheden bør starte ved de nærmeste. Og mit land advarede fra begyndelsen om, at der ville komme problemer med denne åbning af markederne.
I agree with what Commissioner Bangemann has said about respecting the subsidy code.
Jeg mener, der nu skal skrides til prisforhandlinger, men der skal også tales om kvoteforhandlinger. Med nogle lande skal der tales åbent og solidarisk om kapacitetsnedskæring, men i forbindelse med forhandlinger om kommende associering må disse lande tilpasse deres produktion til situationen på markedet, sådan som Spanien gjorde det.
I wish to mention briefly only two issues which have not yet been dealt with in detail.
Jeg vil geme sige til Kommissionen, at jeg mener, at eftersom kapacitet er meget vigtigt, bør den rådspørge fagforeningerne, før den griber ind, specielt med hensyn til sociale foranstaltninger. ger.
programme is to be completed. I believe that we need to be more flexible here and would ask the Commission whether a period of between two and three years does not seem more reasonable in order to cope better with the social aspect also which this whole process is bound to involve.
Hr. formand, Kommissionen står ikke over for en nem opgave.
Turning to my second point: Mr de Vries felt that Eastern European steel imports should not be subject to quota.
Hvis den skal anvende beføjelserne i artikel 58, så lad den gøre det; men jeg appellerer til Kommissionen om at overveje et system med minimumspriser og tillade nogen konkurrence på grundlag af levering til tiden og af god kvalitet, således at man sikrer sig, at de, der overlever, er de mest levedygtige.
I take the view, however, that sensible and effective structural reorganization involves sensible external safe guards to make it clear that third country imports cannot be admitted without restriction, while appreciating and recognizing the need to export of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe.
FORTE (PPE). — (IT) Hr. formand, kommissæren har sagt til os, at det grundlæggende spørgsmål er problemet om en reduktion af produktionskapaciteten.
Mr Beumer asked what would happen in the case of undertakings which had already cut capacity. We are not proposing any particular plan.
Godt Jeg vil gerne først sige, at dette spørgsmål skal ses ikke i forhold til medlemsstaterne, men i forhold til industrien, og jeg vil tilføje de enkelte industrier.
We are not saying that the reduction has to be made in a specific area but have sent Mr Fernand Braun to establish whether the intentions of the undertakings themselves are such that we can assume adequate shutdown.
Derefter vil jeg sige, at vi først og fremmest må støtte de industrier, som frivilligt foreslår en nedsættelse af deres produktionskapacitet, og jeg mener, at planen bør studeres fra det sysnpunkt og videreføres.
The answer is yes. The gathering of this information has revealed that there are undertakings intending to close up to some 30 million tonnes of production annually — at least if we take into account possible intended shutdowns also.
Men hen ad vejen, efterhånden som den frivillige proces med nedsættelse af produktionskapaciteten i virksomhederne skrider frem, vil vi naturligvis stå over for problemet med at hjælpe og støtte disse virksom heder, navnlig med hensyn til problemets sociale aspekter.
That will certainly mean — but I cannot explain this to you in greater detail here in public debate — that undertakings which have already made cuts and arrived so to speak at their competitive size, have no further plans to cut back.
Her sigerjeg: Socialfond, strukturfonde, helt i orden; men, hr. kommissær, mindes De spørgsmålet om EKSF-budgettet?
That we can assume. But others will be intending to make such cuts.
Nå, denne fond anvendes i dag i det store hele til sociale spørgsmål, og vi kan ikke beklage os derover, for der er ikke noget retsgrundlag for noget andet formål.
You will understand if I concentrate on the questions of those honourable Members who are still present, as I take it that this is an indication of how keen they are for an answer.
Jeg vil gerne tilføje endnu en ting. Jeg skelner mellem produktive virksomheder og uproduktive virksomheder; men denne skelnen betyder, at vi må sige, at uproduktive virksomheder skal ud af markedet.
Mr Metten asked me what would happen if the bases we are assuming cease to apply, that is to say if there are not enough planned shutdowns by 30 September or they are not then actually implemented.
Godt, men for disse uproduktive virksomheder må vi så seriøst se på diskussionen om omstilling.
Let me say once again: in my opinion, Article 58 does not provide the appropriate way of reducing surplus capacity.
Og med kommissærens tilladelse vil jeg kræve et mere specifikt program, mere præcist for denne del, som navnlig berører visse regioner...
But it is not suitable for the purposes of reducing capacity, and I have to say that to Mrs Hoff also who claimed that experience had taught us nothing.
LULLING (PPE). — (DE) Hr. formand, for nøjagtig otte måneder siden overvejede vi her, hvad der skal ske med de mange penge, der nu står som reserver, efter år 2002, når EKSF-Traktaten udløber.
Unfortunately, he is no longer in the Chamber but I will answer it since Mrs Lulling and, I think, latterly, Mr Hoppenstedt mentioned it again.
Nogle ville endog grundlægge en fond.
What is to happen with imports from Eastern Europe?
Allerede dengang sagde jeg her, at det ikke går stålindustrien godt og at det ville være bedre at sænke EKSF-afgifteme på produktionen af kul og stål end at lege med tanken om, hvorledes de opsparede penge skulle anvendes efter år 2002.
We did not just wait and see but have already set in place anti-dumping measures, against imports from Czechoslovakia for example, and did so very quickly.
Det turde nu stå klart, hvad der skal ske med reserverne.
It is clear from that that we are ready to negotiate.
De skal, for så vidt som de ikke er bundne i garantifonde, først og fremmest anvendes til den sociale affindelsessum, der bliver nødvendig på grund af luknings- og omstruktureringsforanstaltningerne.
On the other hand, however, anti-dumping measures are always very cumbersome, both for those to whom they apply and to us.
Også her bliver der tale om sociale udgifter, hvilket der skal tages hensyn til.
That is what Sir Leon Brittan will be negotiating.
BOWE (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, ingen af os her i dag er uvidende om problemerne i den europæiske jem- og stålindustri.
We have endeavoured to learn the lessons of the steel crisis in the early eighties.
Medens få af os højt og tydeligt siger krise, ved vi alle, at der er en krise og et øjeblikkeligt behov for omstrukturering.
At that time, there was neither a reduction in capacity nor was the basis for recovery of the steel industry established.
Vi ved, at vi må bede industrien om at gøre noget, som den selv ved er nødvendigt. Men vi kan ikke forvente, at de dele af industrien, som tidligere har været et godt eksempel med hensyn til omstilling og omkostningseffektivitet vil yde de samme ofre igen.
But we are experiencing a fresh crisis — of course it is a crisis, and nobody has disputed that.
Jeg er indforstået med det, hr. Bangemann sagde om overholdelsen af subventionskodeksen.
Mr von Wogau, Mrs Lulling and Mr Forte asked what is happening to the reserves. I cannot give you an answer on that.
Det må ikke her gå på samme måde som i forbindelse med mælkekvoterne i f.eks. Italien.
The Commission is considering how far we can go in breaking up the reserves, Mrs Lulling.
Vi må have en industri, der kan leve op til fremtiden.
Now we are warned by Mr Herman also that the steel industry may be playing a game with us.
De nuværende økonomiske forhold i EF har naturligvis fremskyndet det øjeblikkelige problem, og jeg vil gerne sige, at de har forværret det underliggende problem, som er overkapacitet.
In the early eighties, Mrs Hoff, that was possible, as there were at the time a number of undertakings which might have hoped that others would fare so badly that they would not last out. That is no longer possible today.
Når vi griber ind, må vi se fremad og være forsigtige med at nedsætte kapaciteten.
Every — including the most modern — steel undertaking is not only in the red but unable to meet cunent costs from revenue.
Vi må være sikre på, at når Europas økonomi kommer på fode igen, vil der være tilstrækkelig kapacitet til at imødekomme markedets behov, og vi ikke lader markedet være frit tilgængeligt for import udefra.
Every steel undertaking has a negative cash flow, and that means that no-one is any longer able to bide their time and wait for the others to crash.
Vi bør netop ikke glemme, at stålforbruget varierer per indbygger i forskellige EF-lande, og jeg vil tilskynde til, at man overvejer at bibeholde de anlæg og de dele af EF-industrien, hvor der er potentiale for fremtidig vækst i jem- og stålefterspørgslen.
There is pressure, and composition proceedings already instigated by the banks, which are naturally worried about losing their money, has increased this pressure so that we can be sure that by 30 September serious efforts will be made to reduce surplus capacity. The offer we have made should facilitate that reduction.
Derved skabes der fremtidigt potentiale for vækst på de områder, der er mest velegnede.
The undertakings themselves will establish funds from which the costs of writing off will be able to be met, and I hope that that works.
Den har ikke gjort brug af de beføjelser, Traktaten giver den, og heller ikke af dem, der endnu er i EKSF-Traktaten.
That is not true, Mrs Garcia Arias, we specifically said that the plan is courageous and coherent.
Vi kan for øvrigt i dag, hr. Bangemann, lykønske os selv med, at denne traktat stadig er der til trods for, at nogle kommissærer
We pointed out just one thing — and I would ask honourable Members from Spain to under stand that we have to protect a general European interest: we pointed out that the relationship between the aids to be paid out in Spain and capacity shutdown was not adequate. quate.
Et andet punkt: Hr. de Vries sagde, at den mulige kontingentering af importen af østeuropæisk stål ikke bør finde sted.
PRESIDENT. — The next item is a joint debate on the following reports:
Den indsats, De gør, er en indsats, som forhåbentlig vil lykkes for Dem takket være en frivillig reduktion med udsigt til støtte til den sociale side af sagen.
Two conclusions are able to be drawn from that: either the aid is cut or the number of shutdowns increased.
Jeg er bange for, det ikke er nok og at De gør Dem de samme illusioner som før.
We did not say that capacity should be shutdown in Asturias or some other specific area, but looked at the Spanish plan as a whole, as the Spanish government intended.
Man kan ikke altid lære af fortiden, det ved vi udmærket.
We have therefore to insist, in the interest of observance of the subsidy code in other countries, that that relationship should be improved, and that can quite well be done without additional shutdowns but by a reduction in public subsidy.
Industrilederne investerer, så snart de har mulighed for at gøre det, navnlig da når de nationale stater tilskynder dem til det.
If, on the basis of excessive aid, capacity is preserved in one country with the result that companies elsewhere experience difficulties, then we also prejudice employee solidarity.
Men De har dem ikke og det ved de, der sidder på den anden side af bordet, udmærket.
If they take place in Objective 1, 2 or 5b regions, then the whole battery of measures is, as it were, on hand.
Selv om jeg inderligt ønsker, at De må få held med Deres indsats, tror jeg af ovennævnte grunde desværre ikke, De får det.
If other regions are affected, we shall probably have to consider how to define the criteria in such a way that in those regions also help can be provided for the creation of new jobs.
Hr. Metten spurgte, hvad der sker, hvis det grundlag, vi går ud fra, falder bort, dvs. hvis ikke tilstrækkelig mange har til hensigt at reducere inden den 30.9. eller hvis der umiddelbart derefter ikke gennemføres tilstrækkelig mange nedlæggelser.
— Doc. A3­059/93 by Mrs Pollack, on behalf of the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection, on the proposal from the Com­mission to the Council (COM(92) 0181 — C3­0274/92) for a decision for a monetary mechanism of Community C02 and other greenhouse gas emis­sions.
Endnu en gang: Artikel 58 er efter min mening ikke noget godt middel til at fjerne overkapacitet.
Finally, Mr Hoppenstedt's question as to whether a period of a year is not too short.
Men når man vil fjerne overkapacitet, duer den ikke, og det bliver jeg også nødt til at sige til fru Hoff, som mente, at vi ikke havde lært noget af vore erfaringer.
We are, however, prepared to go as far as the end of 1995, meaning that the restructuring should be completed by 1994 or the end of 1995 at the latest.
REDING (PPE). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg er født i en jem- og stålregion og derhjemme ved vi, hvad jem- og stålkriser er.
BETTINI (V), rapporteur. — (IT) Mr President, we are talking today of ALTENER, a programme that I, the rapporteur, have on several occasions suggested to the Commission and to the preceding British Presidency that we should rewrite, reinvent, repropose in more modest terms, but with greater coherence.
Det er ikke så forfærdelig længe siden, at indbyggerne i Luxembourg, alle uden undtagelse, skulle bidrage til at bringe en hensygnende jem- og stålindustri på fode igen. Den nationale solidaritet muliggjorde en solid omstrukturering uden dramatiske konsekvenser for de tusinder af stålarbejdere, der måtte forlade deres job ved højovnene og valsemaskinerne.
That was not done and the Committee on Energy had to confine itself to what I would describe as a plastic surgery job, profoundly changing the features of the report by a series of amend­ments.
Vi har jo netop bestræbt os på at lære af erfaringerne fra stålkrisen i begyndelsen af 80'erne.
Mr Herman, I do not wish to enter into a bet — the matter is too serious for that — but I believe that our approach is a comprehensive one, makes sense and augurs success, particularly in the situation in which we now find ourselves.
Der blev dengang hverken fjernet overkapacitet eller skabt et grundlag for en sanering af jem- og stålindustrien.
If it should not prove successful, then at the end of September, we shall review matters and need to suggest something else to you because we have at all costs to resolve the crisis.
Det er jo netop krisens lære!
But the Commission did not act too late!
Men foranstaltningerne fra begyndelsen af 80'erne gjorde jo intet i retning af, at denne krise kunne have været forhindret. Derfor vil jeg ikke bruge artikel 58 til at fjerne strukturoverskud. verskud.
As far back as last year when no­one — not even the European Parliament — was talking of this crisis, we sat down with the industry and considered what was to be done and then dispatched Mr Braun.
Og nu siger man til os, at der skal reduceres yderligere og omstruktureres endnu en gang.
We met with the industry during the summer, discussed what we could do and dispatched Mr Braun.
Men til hvilket punkt og hvor længe?
We really were not too late in taking action, but no matter.
I Luxembourg er vi nået ned på minimum for længe siden.
The programme is so comprehensive that — I have to confess — honourable Members will have difficulty in finding something that can be criticized.
I stedet for at ødelægge hele regioner, tømme dem for deres indhold og fratage dem deres identitet var det så ikke på høje tid at gøre sig klart, at menneskelige og samfundsmæssige betragtninger er mere værdifulde end kortsigtede kommercielle beregninger?
That you should find fault with us for being too late in reacting is something which I can certainly accept as justifiable — even if untrue — criticism, Mr President.
Hvomår agter EF at handle således?
PRESIDENT. — The debate is closed.
Det var, fru Hoff, muligt i begyndelsen af 80'erne, for dengang var der endnu nogle virksomheder, som kunne håbe, at det gik andre så dårligt, at de ikke ville overleve.
The figure considered necessary for ALTENER is ECU 40 million for the period 1993­1997.