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Dertil knytter sig det tredje spørgsmål: Det er jo åbenbart således, at vi, hvilket allerede er blevet beklaget i dag, /' fællesskab — dvs. medlemmerne af Kommissionen og Parlamentet — skal øve indflydelse på Rådet.
Another aspect where we wish to leave a certain latitude to national legislation is the problem of a minimum threshold for the distribution of seats, whereas in the original report it was stated that a 5% threshold would have to be introduced.
Jeg vil derfor spørge de medlemmer af Kommissionen, der er til stede her, om de er klar over, at det for fremtiden skal ske i øget omfang og noget mere europaorienteret.
In its debate and its voting yesterday, the Committee on Institutional Affairs weakened this to a proposal that Member States should choose a threshold between 3 and 5%, and personally, as rapporteur of this report, I could agree to having this made possible through an oral amendment; in other words, that Member States are given the possibility of setting their threshold at between 3 and 5%.
Kommissionens udgangspunkt er derfor at få det indre marked til at fungere.
PRESIDENT. — The next item is the report (Doc.
Under alle omstændigheder vil Kommissionen, hvis der bliver konstateret forsinkelser, på det bestemteste skride ind i den udstrækning, det falder inden for dens ansvarsområde og dens bemyndigelse. I Kommissionen er man nemlig overbevist om, at det er yderst vigtigt at sørge for, at det juridiske grundlag er på plads.
Attention was also asked in the report for a number of situations in the Member States that have resulted from historical or social evolution and sometimes have an ethnic nuance — though that term is of course a dangerous one — of which Member States can take account in determining their electoral systems, without, however, doing injury to the goal of proportionality.
Det sidste spørgsmål, som har tilknytning dertil, er: Hvad kan vi gøre, fru formand, for i det mindste på bestemte dage at tvinge Rådet ind i mødesalen?
DE GUCHT (LDR), rapporteur. — (NL) Madam Presi dent, ladies and gentlemen, it is to be hoped that, with this debate, we are coming to the end of an especially long procedure in the European Parliament on the electoral system that is to be applicable to the European elections.
Hvad angår ikrafttrædelsen af det indre marked, der jo kun symbolsk tager udgangspunkt i den 1. januar 1993, i
So the entire conception is one where the goal of proportionality is given central importance rather than
ROGALLA diet for at få Rådet til at komme her, så at det kan deltage i en forhandling som denne?
DE GUCHT that, the Socialist Group supports this report.
Med hensyn til det sidste punkt, De nævnte, er det klart, at vi vil meddele Rådet, at vi beklager dets fravær.
We must always bear that in mind, especially in relation to the workings of the Community.
De kan regne med, at formandskabet vil gøre det, og at det vil viderebringe Deres synspunkt.
But we must also bear in mind that Europe's aim is, and must be to become a federalistic union of states, because only with that aim constantly in view will we be able to achieve it.
PALEOKRASSAS, medlem af Kommissionen. — (GR) Fru formand, denne meddelelse skal først godkendes af Kommissionen, og derefter vil den, som hr. Rogalla sagde, følge den fastlagte rute til Rådet og Parlamentet.
So, we support the de Gucht report with the clear condition that it represents the first step towards propor tional representation of Europe's citizens in the European Parliament on the basis of electoral regions.
FORMANDEN. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
The first, but perhaps the most important step, if we consider the difficulties inherent in that effort.
Vi går nu over til afstemning om anmodning om afstemning snarest muligt om de seks beslutningsforslag.
BOURLANGES (PPE). — (FR) Madam President, the three words typifying Mr De Gucht's report are: timeliness, proportionality and flexibility.
(Afstemning snarest muligt vedtoges)
one where a specific system is imposed.
Afstemningen om selve beslutningsforslagene finder sted i dag kl. 17.00.
The question might then arise: is this still a uniform electoral system?
Jeg siger ikke noget nyt, når jeg fortæller Dem, at den store hindring i denne forbindelse udgøres af de totalt forskellige historiske og politiske opfattelser, som findes i Storbritannien. Jeg har i betænkningen forsøgt at finde en praktisk løsning derpå ved at sige: Se, vi kan have forståelse for Deres valgsystem med valg kredse, hvor kun ét medlem vælges, på grandlag af princippet first pass the post; hvis De vil holde fast ved dette, kan De gøre det.
I believe so, since political practice shows — and we are concerned here with politics, we are governing a democratic constitutional state with political means — that this uniform electoral system can be achieved only by stages and that, at this point in time, it is simply attempting too much to seek to produce a truly uniform electoral system that regulates for the Member States what this should look like in every detail.
Men De kan kun gøre det, hvis ifølge det oprindelige forslag halvdelen, og nu efter drøftelsen af ændringsforslagene i Udvalget om Institutionelle Spørgsmål, højst to tredjedele af mandaterne tildeles i sådanne valgkredse, med andre ord hvis der er en række ekstra mandater tilbage, hvorved den globale repræsentation i Europa-Parlamentet afspejler en proportional fordeling.
I believe that we satisfy the democratic yearning and the democratic demand for a parliament that is representative of the European Com munity if we give a central position to this goal of proportionality, and it will then be no longer possible that, as happened in the 1989 elections, a political party in a Member State, in Great Britain, receives more votes than there are electors in Luxembourg and yet is not represented at all in this European Parliament, while Luxembourg has six seats.
Det betyder ikke, at vi nu ville bede Storbritannien om at beholde sit system med enkelt mandskredse, jeg havde nær sagt tværtimod, vi ville ønske, at man ville gå over til et andet system, men vi vil simpelthen ikke have, at briterne gemmer sig bag en sådan bemærkning for at sige: Vi kan ikke gå over til denne proportionelle fordeling.
There is a political party, my political party as a matter of fact, in Great Britain that obtains not a single seat yet gets more votes than there are in the whole of Luxembourg.
Derfor dette praktiske forslag, som kombinerer systemet med enkeltmandskredse med det i sidste instans proportionelle resultat.
This is a totally unacceptable situation and we have to get rid of it.
FORMANDEN. — Jeg har nu den glæde at byde velkommen til en delegation fra det pakistanske parlament under ledelse af Hans Excellence hr. Gohar Ayub Khan, for mand for Den Islamiske Republik Pakistans nationalforsamling, som har taget plads i den officielle loge.
Whereas ratification has fallen behindhand in most of our countries, the European Parliament is up to date and even, it has to be said, a little in advance. If, as I trust, we vote the De Gucht report, we shall have done our share of the job, having made our proposal on a uniform electoral procedure even before ratification of the Maastricht Treaty, under which the procedure on this matter is parliamentary assent.
Af betænkningen fremgår det derfor, at vi klart foretrækker valgkredse, som ville blive placeret på regionalt plan uden imidlertid at udelukke, at der ville blive oprettet nationale valgkredse.
On behalf of my group, and thus outside my responsibility as rapporteur, I wish to add that we have tabled an amendment to the effect that, if a Member State — read Great Britain — does not manage by the 1994 European elections to bring its electoral system into line, then at any rate the additional seats it receives as a result of the Edinburgh decisions must serve to adjust the result of those elections in a proportional direction; in other words, that, in the case of Great Britain, the extra six seats it receives should in any case have to be used for this purpose, and I would urge all Members and all groups in this Chamber to support this amendment.
Af betænkningen fremgår det også, at præferencestemmer skal være mulige uden at binde disse til et bestemt listesystem, men herom er der fuld stændig modsatte opfattelser; nogle vil knytte præferencestemmer til nationale lister, andre vil netop udelukke dem fra disse nationale lister, derfor har vi skabt mulig hed for at fastsætte bestemmelser.
I believe it is important, particularly at this moment, that we give Great Britain a signal that we mean business with this proposal and that we wish, at all events on the occasion of the coming European elections, that an important step be taken in the direction of a proportionally elected and thus also a democratic European Parliament.
Forbindelserne mellem Pakistan og Det Europæiske Fællesskab er udmærkede, under de kontakter, som vi har haft på det parlamentariske plan, er der tilkendegivet en fælles vilje til samarbejde inden for et stort antal vitale økonomiske sektorer.
Usually, the debate is between the principle of proportional representation, which is considered fairer, and the first-past-the-post principle, which is considered efficacious.
Jeg udtaler ønsket om, at dette andet møde må komme til at markere endnu en etape i den nødvendige tilnærmelse mellem de lande og de folkeslag, vi repræ senterer.
In this particular instance, there is no call for us to choose the first-past-the-post system, which produces a majority, because we do not operate on the basis of an adversarial system between a majority and an opposition.
Jeg ønsker den pakistanske delegation frugtbare samtaler og et behageligt ophold i Strasbourg.
We conduct our business in a reasonable fashion and therefore have no reason to compromise by sacrificing fairness for the sake of hypothetical efficacity.
Et andet element, hvor vi i nogen grad vil overlade de nationale lovgivere et spillerum, er problemet med spærregrænsen, hvor der i den oprindelige betænkning står, at der burde indføres en spærregrænse på 5%.
ROUMELIOTIS (S). — (GR) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, the report by Mr de Gucht is marked by an important and original feature.
FORMANDEN. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok.
The rapporteur deserves praise for the way in which he has made room in his report for a set of anangements that accommodate the political culture of each of the Member States.
A3381/92) af De Gucht for Udvalget om Institutionelle Spørgsmål om udkast til ensartet valg måde for valg af medlemmer til Europa-Parlamentet.
Flexibility in the organization of constituencies, which may be either national or regional, either multi-member or singlemember.
Ligeledes henledes opmærksomheden i betænkningen på en række historisk udviklede, samfundsmæssigt udvikle de, somme tider etnisk farvede — selv om udtrykket naturligvis er farligt — tilstande i medlemsstaterne, som medlemsstaterne kan tage hensyn til ved fastsættelsen af deres valgsystem uden imidlertid at skade det endelige mål, nemlig proportionaliteten.
On this last point, I hope the amendment tabled by my group, which we think very moderate and balanced, will be better received in plenary than in the Committee on Institutional Affairs.
DE GUCHT (LDR), ordfører. — (NL) Fra formand, kolleger, med denne forhandling kommer vi forhåbentlig til slutningen af en særdeles lang procedure i Europa-Parlamentet om det valgsystem, der skal anvendes ved de europæiske valg.
On that point, I would like to congratulate the rapporteur personally on his report, which is a balanced approach that provides solutions to the thorny problem of European representation.
Den samlede opfattelse er således en opfattelse, hvori det endelige mål, proportionaliteten, stilles centralt, snarere end gennemtvingelse af et specifikt system. Man kunne stille sig selv spørgsmålet: Er det da et ensartet valgsystem.
I would also like to mention another important point: as the Socialist Group, we have decided to vote against the proposal to define a lower limit of 5% for parties to be represented in the European Parliament.
Hjørnestenen i det forslag, som i dag forelægges Europa-Parlamentet, er uden tvivl princippet om forholdstalsre-
It is their system that is very different from the one found more or less everywhere else in the Community.
Vi støtter altså de Guchtbetænkningen under forudsætning af, at der er tale om det første skridt i retning af en forholdstalsrepræsentation, baseret på valgregioner, af de europæiske borgere i Europa-Parlamentet.
I end by expressing the hope that our proposal may still be adopted by the Council in time to come into force before the next elections in 1994 and by renewing my congratulations to Mr De Gucht on the excellent work he has done.
BOURLANGES (PPE). — (FR) Fra formand, hensigtsmæssighed, proportionalitet og fleksibilitet, det er de tre ord, som er karakteristiske for betænkningen af hr. de Gucht.
BOISSIERE (V). — (FR) Madam President, with the obvious exception of the 5% threshold that it calls for, Mr De Gucht's motion for a resolution seems to us to be very close to the only acceptable compromise.
fastlægger, hvordan dette så burde se ud for medlemsstaterne.
I am happy to say that the British members of my group support the De Gucht report.
Hvis vi — som jeg ønsker — vedtager de Guchtbetænkningen, har vi gjort vor del af arbejdet, thi vi har allerede udarbejdet vort forslag til ensartet valgmåde, endnu før Maastricht-Traktaten — ifølge hvilken vi i denne sag skal afgive samstemmende udtalelse — er blevet ratificeret.
This will put an end to an electoral system, first-past-the-post, under which, I would remind the House, over 3.5 million British votes, notably for the Greens, who polled 15%, and also for Liberal Democrats, were confiscated for the exclusive benefit of the two large parties.
Endnu en gang har vi demonstreret, at Europa-Parlamentet altid er med i forreste række, når det gælder opbygningen af Fællesskabet, og at det for sit vedkommende på ingen måde bidrager til at forsinke gennemførelsen af det.
There has been a lot of talk of the need for popular support, particularly in the debate on Maastricht. In my opinion, it is betrayal of the worst kind when a voter realizes on the very evening of an election that his vote has counted for nothing in the composition of the House.
ROUMELIOTIS (S). — (GR) Fru formand, kære kolleger, hr. de Guchts betænkning er en helt speciel betænk ning.
Mr De Gucht's scheme is not a scheme for a break with traditional British practice. It simply calls on the British to meet Europe halfway.
Den er måske den eneste betænkning, der direkte vedrører hele Europa-Parlamentet og naturligvis os, dets medlemmer.
For this reason, I think that the concession of 50% of seats that may be distributed according to their traditional system has to be regarded as the maximum.
Det er slagordet i betænkningen.
And it is well that it should be so.
Sædvanligvis opstiller man princippet om forholdstalsrepræsentation, der betragtes som retfærdigt, som modsætning til princippet om flertalsrepræsentation, der betragtes som effektivt.
In one point, however, the report proposes a mandatory rule which we think essential, and which represents a radical change in electoral procedures in certain legal systems, more particularly in the United Kingdom: I am referring to the adoption of the method of proportional representation in elections for this Parlia ment.
I det foreliggende tilfælde behøver vi ikke at vælge flertalsvalg, der altså resulterer i et flertal, fordi Europa-Parlamentet ikke i sin funktion forudsætter en deling mellem flertal og opposition.
The solution that has been found seems to us extremely felicitous because it is a gradual one.
Europa-Parlamentet fungerer rimeligt, og vi har derfor ingen grund til — via et kompromis — at ofre retfærdigheden på en hypotetisk effektivitets alter.
It does not make a break with singlemember constituencies, but restricts them to a total of two thirds of the seats without prejudice to the proportional nature of the ballot as a whole.
Her vil jeg gerne komme med en personlig kompliment til ordføreren for hans betænkning, der med en velovervejet vurdering foreslår en løsning på det så komplicere de problem om den europæiske repræsentation.
Another positive feature in Mr De Gucht's motion for a resolution is its insistence that the proportional distribution of seats must take account of the votes cast through out the territory of a Member State.
Dette betyder ganske vist ikke, at den form, hr. de Gucht foreslår, er den ideelle.
This is not a superfluous stipulation, far from it.
Betænkningen foreslår hverken anvendelsen af den faktiske forholdstalsrepræsentation eller en faktisk repræsentation på regionalt plan, idet de to systemer med valgregioner og en national liste stadig eksisterer side om side.
In France, two bills have already been tabled in the National Assembly seeking to change the system whereby French Members are elected to the European Parliament and, moreover, in a direction contrary to the spirit of the European Parlia ment's recommendation.
Fleksibilitet, når det gælder de særregler, der er fastsat af hensyn til geografisk eller historisk betingede særegenheder.
The system would be entirely singlemember where there was only one seat in a constituency.
Utilstrækkelig fleksibilitet med hensyn til tærskelen.
It would be slightly more proportional in the more populous regions of France.
Hvis dette forslag ved tages, vil det være i modstrid med det princip, der bør gælde for Parlamentet, dvs. princippet om alle partiers demokratiske repræsentation. Til trods for dette støtter Den Socialistiske Gruppe denne betænkning.
There is one remaining point of disagreement, but one which might still be adjusted in the vote which will follow later this evening.
Det gør den, fordi den svarer til det aktuelle stadium af den europæiske integrationsproces.
The imposition of a threshold, whatever it may be — 3 or 5% of the votes — for conversion into seats.
Dette bør vi altid have i tankerne, når der er tale om spørgsmål vedrørende Fællesskabets funktion.
I hope that this mandatory rule will be changed into a merely optional mechanism for each of the Member States.
Men vi bør ligeledes have i tankerne, at Europas mål er, og bør være, en føderalistisk
In Portugal, for example, it would be unconstitutional. tional.
Det er dem, der har et system, der er vidt forskelligt fra det, som gælder stort set overalt i Fællesskabet.
Finally, Madam President, I wish to speak out against the 5% threshold.
Jeg tror, at vi bør tilbyde briterne midlerne til at gøre noget, som de formår at gøre i særlig grad, nemlig at udvikle sig uden at fornægte sig, at undergå en
If I had enough time, I could call the role of fhe 33 Members of this House who would not have been elected had there been a 5% threshold in their countries. I
BOURLANGES omtalte valg i 1994 Jeg vil endnu en gang komplimentere hr. De Gucht for det udmærkede arbejde, han har udført.
BOISSIERE shall not do that, but I would say that I do not think Parliament would have gained anything in democracy, still less in dynamism.
forvandling uden at miste deres identitet.
One last thing, Madam President.
Set fra dette synspunkt er det ændringsforslag, som vi har stillet, og som går ud på at forhøje det antal pladser, der fortsat skal kunne besættes ved valg i enkeltmandskredse, til 2/3, meget positivt og vil give briterne mulighed for — om de ønsker det — at bevæge sig frem mod forholdstalsvalg måden uden at fornægte det væsentlige i deres politiske kultur.
I should like to issue an appeal to the Council, a solemn appeal calling on it to adopt an electoral procedure in line with what the European Parliament is proposing, in time for it to be applied in the 1994 elections.
BOISSIERE (V). — (FR) Fru formand, med den velkendte undtagelse af spærregrænsen på 5%, som der opereres med, er det beslutningsforslag, der er fremsat af hr. de Gucht, efter vor mening tæt på at være det eneste acceptable kompromis.
MUSSO (RDE). — (FR) Madam President, may I first of all tell the rapporteur, my friend Mr De Gucht, that we have no problems with his report and shall be voting for it.
Det glæder mig, at de britiske medlemmer i min gruppe støtter de Gucht-betænkningen. Jeg ønsker, at vore kolleger i Arbejderpartiet vil gøre ligeså, og at vi således må kunne se vore britiske venner beslutsomt satse på denne tilpassede variant af forholdstalsvalgmåden.
talks about entities that are historical and geographical and so on, is slightly better.
Det glæder vi os over.
How could you double my area?
CAPUCHO (LDR). — (PT) Fru formand, hvis politik er det muliges kunst, må vi erkende, at hr. De Gucht, den foreliggende betænknings forfatter, med megen dygtig hed og stor ihærdighed har opnået det, mange vil betragte som umuligt, og derfor vil jeg geme komplimentere ham.
The first is that Article 138 of the EEC Treaty, which was amended in 1979, required us to draw up proposals for the introduction of a uniform electoral procedure, and I disagree with what has been said by some earlier speak ers, since I do not think the European Parliament has got ahead of itself on this matter. On the contrary, I think it is behind schedule.
Vi vil således gøre ende på en type valg, flertalsvalg, der har bevirket — må jeg minde om det — at mere end 3,5 millioner britiske vælgere, navnlig De Grønne for 15% vedkommende og ligeledes de demokratiske liberale, har oplevet, at deres stemmer blev konfiskeret til fordel for de to store partier alene.
PIQUET (CG). — (FR) Madam President, the report by the Committee on Institutional Affairs must necessarily be assessed in terms of the avowed aim of all of us in the House: to develop the democratic dimension of Com munity life.
Det vil sige, at den tekst, vi skal vedtage, kun foreslår en ringe grad af ensartethed.
That is why we take a positive view of the proposal to adopt proportional representation for elections to this House.
Hver medlemsstat beholder en meget bred manøvremargen for at vedtage de bestemmelser, der passer bedst til tradition og egenart.
This is a central feature in Mr De Gucht's report, which is in the interests of the development of democracy in our countries.
Med forslaget anmodes briterne blot om at tilbagelægge halvdelen af vejen i europæisk retning.
For six more Members to be elected, the electoral law has to be changed.
Af den grund tror jeg, at den procentdel, nemlig 50%, der ifølge forslaget skal kunne fordeles efter deres traditionelle system, bør betragtes som et maksimum.
What I am hoping is that, at least in France, above all in France, the opportunity is going to be taken to change the present system, which is stupid.
Man bør nemlig kalde en skovl for en skovl og en spade for en spade. Hvis denne maksimale procentdel blev udvidet fra 50% til 2/3 eller endog til 3/4, kunne man ikke anstændigvis kalde det et proportionalt system.
The system of nationwide representation is a stupid system.
Valgmåden med enkeltmandskredse har uden tvivl forde le — den begunstiger skabelse af stabile flertal, hvilket ikke er relevant for denne institution; men den begunstiger også en tilnærmelse af vælgere og de valgte.
If we adopted this proposed threshold, we would quite simply nullify the votes of millions of the electorate in the Community — over one and a half million voters in my country alone.
Vi mener, den fundne løsning er yderst gunstig, fordi den lægger vægt på en gradvis udvikling.
EWING (ARC). — Madam President, Mr De Gucht has had a herculean task.
Den bryder ikke med enkeltmandskredse, men begrænser dem til i alt 2/3 af mandaterne, uden at det går ud over valgets proportionelle karakter.
It has been very difficult and we are all in his debt.
Der er dog et punkt, hvori jeg er uenig, men det kan måske korrigeres under afstemningen i aften.
We all want proportional representation, including the UK, but we need the Council to approve this.