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Må det være tilladt en specialist i valgsystemer at forklare, hvorfor de bør være radikalt forskellige i staterne på den ene side og i Fællesskabet på den anden.
I therefore strongly recommend approval of the amend ments intended to make this proposal flexible.
Min anden bekymring angående De Gucht­betænknin­gen —jeg forstår hr. De Guchts problem —■ er, at jeg tror, han for at sikre sig den størst mulige tilslutning i Parlamentet har minimeret chancen for, at vi får den igennem Rådet.
FAYOT (S). — (FR) Mr President, I must make it clear that I am speaking on my own behalf, rather than in support of the position that has been stated very fully by the speakers for my group.
Ved parlamentsvalgene i staterne består problemet ikke blot i at sikre borgerne en passende repræsentation.
It is high time that something was done about a uniform electoral procedure for all Members of the European Parliament.
Det består i endnu højere grad i at bringe et stabilt og disciplineret regeringsdueligt flertal til magten — et flertal, som borgerne således har valgt, og som de kan skride ind over for ved at opretholde eller fjerne det, når valgperioden udløber.
We shall soon be into the fourth edition of direct elections and the Member States have still not yet agreed to let European unity reign in this area.
BOCKLET (PPE). — (DE) Fru formand, kære kolleger, den ensartede valgmåde er den eneste sag, hvor Europa­Parlamentet i henhold til Traktaterne har initiativretten.
Our citizens are expected to think and act in a European way, but their representatives, the actual Members, are still elected in accordance with their own age-old systems.
Vi er egentlig allerede tyve år bagefter med at få ført denne initiativret igennem til et positivt resultat i Rådet.
This antiquated procedure constrains like a painfully tight corset the European democratization that each of us advocates.
Hvorved adskiller det nye forslag sig fra tidligere?
I have no problem with proportional representation as such.
For det første undlader vi detaljerede bestemmelser. Vi omdefinerer begrebet ensartet valgmåde og respekterer i subsidiaritetsprincippets ånd de nationale valgretstradi­tioner, blot de som slutfacit fører til et proportionalt resultat.
I would however like to hear Mr De Gucht's opinion of, for instance, the mixed system that we have in Luxembourg, which punches a very big hole in the logic of proportional representation and has nothing to do with the preferential vote men tioned in his report.
Vi vil naturligvis — ligesom tidligere — gøre forholdstalsvalgsystemet til grundlag for en ensartet fæl­les valgmåde, således som Mirabeau bestemte det i den franske nationalforsamling under den franske revolution.
Basically, though, I cannot go along with the rapporteur and the Committee on Institutional Affairs in their attempt to impose proportional representation on countries which have the first-past-the-post system.
Europa­Parlamentet skal være Europas politiske landkort i lille målestok.
As I see it, each country has its own electoral system to suit its size, its traditions, its geography and its history, and the system is perfectly democratic in each case.
Fællesskabets regeringsmagt udøves i fællesskab af Rådet, der aldeles ikke er afhængigt af Europa­Parlamen­tets medlemmer, og af Kommissionen, som kun i meget ringe grad er afhængig af dem.
The lack of common rules, which would become possible with the introduction of a joint electoral procedure, puts Members of this Parlia ment in an unequal position and reduces our legal security in cases where one of us is the subject of legal proceedings.
Derfor bør Europa­Parlamentet først og fremmest repræsentere borgerne i tolv lande med så megen præcision som muligt og i al deres mangfoldighed.
The necessary steps have been taken in the past by Parliament, by myself among others, and by the Commission to have this situation changed.
Det kan alene forholdstalsvalgmå­den gøre, og der er ingen grund til at begrænse den her ved hjælp af de skranker, der er bydende nødvendige til beskyttelse af de parlamentariske flertal og af regeringer­nes stabilitet i staterne.
Only the Council appears to be deaf to our legitimate requests, or must we conclude that Article 7 of the EC Treaty, which forbids discrimination on grounds of nationality, is applicable to citizens but not to those whom they elect.
Der er ingen grund til at indføre en spærregrænse på 5 eller endog 3% i forbindelse med vor ensartede valgmåde.
Equality of treatment is desirable here too and I am against the cumulation of offices that can lead here to absenteeism.
Opnår vi det, har vi efter min mening opnået et særdeles heldigt resultat for Europa­Parlamen­tet og for en demokratisk repræsentation af Europas befolkninger i Europa­Parlamentet.
FORTE (PPE). — (IT) Mr President, in the present situation the report before us offers the maximum that can be achieved in a system which is certainly not federal and which cannot therefore impose a single form valid for all countries and Member States.
Dette gør de små enkeltmandsvalgkredse eller valgkredse med forholdstalsvalg inden for begræn­sede regionale rammer mere demokratiske.
I take the view that, according to the logic of subsidiarity and also the logic of a Europe in which the Member States retain their national identities, as stated in the Maastricht Treaty incidentally, it is unnecessary to standardize in order to give MEPs legitimacy, which would be different from the legitimacy they enjoy in their own countries.
I sådanne kredse bliver det muligt at knytte nære bånd mellem de valgte og deres vælgere.
And what impact, Mr President, would propor tional representation as proposed here have, over time, on our political movements?
Derimod bør medlemmerne af Europa­Parlamentet have en videre horisont.
Are we going to see a fragmentation of the European political landscape?
Forholds­talsvalg på nationalt plan eller på regionalt plan, når der er tale om større regioner, er uden tvivl bedre tilpasset til denne funktion.
How would this Parliament ever have a stable legislative line, and the political weight that goes with it?
Men punkt F) fjerner hele indholdet af erklæringerne om dette mål.
I would like some thought to be given to that.
Spærregrænsen på 5% og en hvilken som helst anden spærregrænse er efter min opfattelse meningsløs af 2 grundlæggende årsager:
No, Mr President, I shall not be voting for this report, since in my opinion it does not meet any deep political need.
For det første er der ikke tale om et nationalt parlament, hvor vi ofte har hørt argumentet, at »det er nødvendigt med en spærregrænse på 5%, det er nødvendigt at samles i store partiblokke, så vi ikke ender i anarki«. Europa­Parlamentet har ikke det samme behov.
CONTU (PPE). — (IT) Mr President, I think that at the conclusion of this debate we must all be glad that after a long, reprehensible delay, our Parliament has finally succeeded in considering the problem which concerns it most closely, that of its own composition.
Men de Guchts udkast har det fortrin, at det muliggør en sådan løsning, i lige så høj grad som det muliggør andre løsninger for de stater, der måtte foretrække det.
The line put forward, which I shall describe as 'mixed', since of course it starts from the principle that proportional representation is necessary but also allows the Member States to adopt, for part of the seats to be filled, the singlemember system, is what is now to be submitted for a referendum.
I denne henseende er det af afgørende betydning, at man har givet vore britiske kolleger mulighed for at stemme for dette udkast, som vi har fået forelagt.
It will therefore be for the Italian people to decide in this case what electoral system to choose.
At de accepterer, at to tredjedele vælges i enkeltmandskredse og en tredjedel efter forholdstalsvalgmåden, der skal finde anvendelse generelt, finder vi forståeligt.
A mixed system is now being proposed in Italy by the Senate of the Republic, with 75% of seats chosen by the singlemember system and 25% by proportional representation — and this system will, I repeat, be put to a referendum.
For det andet betyder udelukkelsen af politiske kræfter, der repræsenterer færre end 5%, udelukkelse af politiske bevægelser, strømme, ideer og etniske forhold, som findes i Europa i dag, og som bør findes i det nye Europa­Parlament og ikke udelukkes og bringes i en antieuropæisk stemning.
So far this problem has been a source of disagreements: even this morning many Members were saying they were in favour, others against, but I think it is clearly preferable for this Parliament to manage to take a decision which, whilst not perfect, still represents something concrete,
DALSASS (PPE). — (DE) Fru formand, vi ser i dag en ny udgave af den ensartede valgmåde for valg til Europa­Parlamentet, som Parlamentet allerede beskæftigede sig med for 10 år siden.
It seems to me that this is the line which ought to be put forward today in the European Parliament.
Lighed er også ønskeligt her, og jeg er imod denne kumulation, som her ville resultere i fravær.
CONTU proportional representation system for our British colleagues and for the United Kingdom.
1984 ville blive afholdt efter en sådan ensartet valgmåde.
It is just this lack of uniformity which many people criticize.
I dag foreslår vi, at disse bestemmelser i det mindste skal omsættes til national ret med henblik på valget til Europa-Parlamentet i 1994.
We welcome the fact that this uniformity has been kept to a minimum because we know that the franchise is bound up with political culture in the nations and regions.
Om de bliver det, afhænger af de tolv EF-medlemsstaters politiske vilje. Jeg ville blot ønske, at de blev det.
That is never quite possible, but what is has achieved is acceptable!
Men jeg tvivler stærkt på, om denne politiske vilje allerede er til stede i dag.
The vote will take place this evening at 5 p.m.
FORTE (PPE). — (IT) Hr. formand, i den nuværende situation er den betænkning, som vi her behandler, udtryk for det optimale resultat, der kan opnås i en sammenslutning, der bestemt ikke har føderal karakter, og som følgelig ikke kan pålægge et ensartet system, der skal gælde i alle medlemslandene.
rather than never to approve anything, as up to now. We have always adhered to the principle of proportionality: it seems to me that that is the system which succeeds best in satisfying the ideological, geographical and historical requirements of our Europe, but on the other hand I think it is also a good thing — and for this we must recognize our rapporteur's intelligent effort — to have provided for certain countries the possibility of adjusting the electoral procedure along the lines of the singlemember system.
Jeg har taget ordet for at understrege, hvor vigtigt det er, at Fællesskabets samlede befolkning er ensartet repræ senteret i Europa-Parlamentet.
This problem does not concern the United Kingdom alone, but other states too.
Men jeg vil også geme gøre opmærksom på den særlige betydning af den i dette forslag indeholdte bestemmelse til fordel for sproglige og etniske minoriteter.
My colleague Mr Forte reminded us a few minutes ago that my country, Italy, is tackling problems of this kind by a referendum and will probably decide upon a type of singlemember system, even though tempered with proportionality.
For ti år siden kostede det en del besvær at gennemføre en sådan særbestemmelse i Europa-Parlamentet. Det siger jeg, fordi forslaget stammer fra mig.
This possibility therefore leads us to think that the De Gucht resolution might be approved, not by unanimity I think, because perhaps that is impossible, but by a very large vote in favour, which will lend more weight to our Parliament's decision.
Den skal gøre det muligt i bestemte områder også at skabe enkelt mandskredse for at lette minoriteterne adgangen til Europa-Parlamentet.
DE GUCHT (LDR), rapporteur. — (NL) Mr President, the voting was indeed supposed to be at 5 p.m.
Det må gælde så meget mere desto mere nu, hvor lande som Italien rykker stadig længere bort fra forholdstalsvalgretten og går over til flertalsvalgretten.
However, according to the voting list, the report was due to be taken right at the end, which meant there was a considerable risk it might not be voted on at all.
En sådan bestemmelse er ikke kun tilladelig, men lige frem anbefalelsesværdig.
I think we need to have certainty regarding this important report, on which we have been working for a very long time and which is so important with the European elections in prospect.
Ud fra disse forudsætninger går jeg ind for forslaget om den ensartede valgmåde, således som det i dag er lagt frem til behandling.
If the vote is indeed to be taken this evening, I would request you to make the necessary anangements so that voting on the report is given priority.
Den måde, der er blevet foreslået, og som jeg vil kalde »blandet«, idet den godt nok går ud fra forholdstalsvalg princippet, men tillige tillader medlemslandene for en del af mandaterne at anvende enkeltmandslister, er den, der nu sendes til folkeafstemning.
PRESIDENT. — Mr De Gucht, there are a large number of votes scheduled for this evening and it will be up to the House to determine the order of voting.
Det er derfor op til den italienske befolkning at vælge, hvilket valgsystem de ønsker i det foreliggende tilfælde.
The speed of progress in the vote will also depend a great deal on Members' discipline.
Så vidt jeg kan se, er det den type system, som i dag burde blive fremsat i Europa-Parlamentet.
PRESIDENT. — The next item is two oral questions with debate by Mr Barón Crespo, on behalf of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and Security, to the Commission, Doc.
Jeg opfordrer derfor inderligt til, at vi vedtager de ændringsforslag, der har til hensigt at gøre dette forslag mere fleksibelt.
We know that it is never quite possible to square the circle, that there is always a chink left over which will not fit and that is the way it will be with this draft and this proposal.
GALLE (S). — (NL) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, jeg ønsker at tilslutte mig komplimenterne til ordføreren for hans intelligente stykke arbejde.
We German Social Democrats insist that there must always be at least the possibility for Member States to lay down a threshold when we concentrate on proportional representation.
Det er på tide, at der endelig gøres noget ved en ensartet valgprocedure for alle medlemmer af Europa-Parlamentet.
Whether the threshold is 3 or 4 or 5% may be left to the Member States, but the draft must allow a Member State to lay down such a threshold.
Snart har vi for fjerde gang direkte valg, og medlemsstaterne er stadig ikke blevet enige om også på dette område at gøre noget ved europæisk harmonisering.
And I do not share the conviction which Mr Duverger has expressed here.
Man vil nok have borger ne til at tænke og handle europæisk, men repræsentanter ne selv, parlamentsmedlemmerne, vælges stadig efter ældgamle egne systemer.
Under the De Gucht draft it is possible to prescribe constituencies for regional or other special features, which means that individual Members there can be elected to the European Parliament even if nationally there is a 5% clause.
Denne forældede arbejdsmetode klemmer som et for lille korset den europæiske demokratisering, som vi alle går ind for.
LANGER (V). — (DE) Mr President, how is it that the question on the same subject tabled on 17 December by some 25 Members from various Groups is not on the agenda?
Men nu må vi begynde at se længere frem.
I refer to Rule 58 of the Rules of Procedure.
Mangelen på en ensartet valgprocedure indebærer ligeledes mangelen på en egen statut for de europæiske valgte. I et harmoniseret Europa kan det da ikke længere gå an, at medlemmerne af Europa-Parlamentet f.eks. ikke modtager en ensartet godtgørelse for samme demokratiske opgave.
We are quite happy with what the Committee on External Economic Relations has done, but I think it is rather remarkable that the question by the Members concerned which has been on hand since 17 December has simply been dropped.
Også med hensyn til privilegier og immunitet er der for store forskelle.
We want the franchise and the electoral system to be simple.
Tidligere har Parlamentet, bl.a. jeg selv, og Kommissionen allerede foretaget temmelig mange skridt for at ændre denne situation.
In any case the franchise has many national and regional traditions. They are tailored to meet the political culture, the character of the people.
Kun Rådet synes at være døv for vore berettigede anmodninger, eller skal vi drage den konklusion, at artikel 7 i EF-Traktaten, som forbyder forskelsbehandling på grundlag af nationalitet, nok gælder for borgerne, men ikke må anvendes på deres valgte repræsentanter. Det er også vigtigt, at krite
That means for us that the European franchise must be set up on the basis of the proportional representation system, but that on that basis it must be made possible to allow minimum uniformity and maximum flexibility so as to take account of special regional and historical features.
Jeg konstaterer for dette forum, at der er opnået temmelig bred enighed om at indføre forholdstalsvalgmåden, og at der er begejstring for det system, som foreslås af hr. de Gucht, men trods al den agtelse, jeg nærer for ordføreren og for hans arbejde, kan jeg ikke lade mig rive med af denne bejstring.
BARÓN CRESPO (S). — (ES) Mr President, I want Parliament to know that these oral questions arise largely from the work done by Mr Langer in committee and I must justify the timing of these questions, because some colleagues took the view, after Parliament approved both resolutions in January and February, that this might not be the time to deal with the matter.
Jeg har ingen betænkeligheder ved forholdstalsvalgmåden som sådan.
I think it would be interesting to know whether the Commission, European Political Cooper-
Det er det ønske, som jeg her fremsætter sammen med håbet om, at Parlamentets præsidium vil udøve en fornuftig politisk pression, for at opnå at denne beslutning bliver taget til efterretning i alle medlemslandene inden år 1994.
BARÓN CRESPO ation or, to give it its real name after all, the Council are aware of this initiative, because it is hard to believe that the United States government would have taken a unilateral position on this.
Jeg mener, at hvert land har sit eget valgsystem — afhængigt af landets størrelse, dets traditioner, dets geografi og dets historie, og dette system er efter hvert lands overbevisning aldeles demokratisk.
This morning I had the opportunity of speaking to the Israeli Foreign Minister, Mr Peres.
HÄNSCH (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, udkastet til en ensartet valgmåde vækker måske ikke begejstring, men Europa-Parlamentet er i henhold til Traktaterne forpligtet til at forelægge et sådant udkast.
The tone of the conversation was positive, and it strengthened me in my view that the EC has an important role to play in the Middle East.
Den Socialistiske Gruppe vil gøre sit til at sørge for, at udkastet får flertal.
The parties — including Israel -place increasing emphasis on the EC playing an active role, not least in the multilateral dimension, where the EC has the presidency in the economic working party.
I denne henseende kan jeg ikke tilslutte mig logikken i den redegørelse, der blev givet af min fremragende professor, hr. Duverger.
In addition we are in a situation of continuous information suggesting that a clear desire exists to press ahead with the peace negotiations.
Jeg mener faktisk, at i konsekvens af subsidiaritetsprincippet, men også i konsekvens af det forhold, at vi stræber mod et Europa, hvor med lemsstaterne skal bevare deres identitet, sådan som det i øvrigt er forudsat i Maastricht-Traktaten, da er det ikke nødvendigt at standardisere for at give Europa-Parlamentets medlemmer en legitimitet, dvs. en anden legitimitet end den, de har i deres land.
In particular, the British government yesterday received a delegation from the PLO; the Belgian government has decided to upgrade the PLO delegation to Belgium; and yesterday we heard — the news came from the Israeli foreign affairs minister, Mr Peres, who was present at a joint meeting of my committee and other committees and delegations of the European Parliament — that actual talks had taken place resulting in concrete initiatives with certain Community states — I refer to France and indeed Spain — regarding the resolution of the expulsion of Palestinian citizens.
Og endvidere, hr. formand, hvad bliver på lang sigt konsekvensen af den forholdstalsvalgmåde, der her er foreslået, for de politiske partier?
In other words there has been a series of initiatives by Community States and while these are not coordinated by European Political Cooperation, at least we hope that the ministers will exchange information especially as we cunently have three Member States on the Security Council — and we assume they are working together — France, Great Britain and Spain, to be specific.
Bliver vi ikke vidner til en atomisering af det europæiske politiske landskab?
We must reiterate our condemnation, as we did in January and February, of violations of human rights in the occupied territories, the expulsion of the Palestinians and deplore this rosary of victims on both sides being told day in day out in a deteriorating situation.
Hvorledes skal Europa-Parlamentet nogen sinde få en stabil lovgivende myndighed, altså også politisk vægt?
But the important thing is to succeed in moving things forward now that the parties — and I don't know if the Community has any relevant information on this — are prepared to restart bilateral talks.
Det er et forsøg på at løse cirklens kvadratur. Vi ved, at det aldrig lykkes helt, at der altid bliver en uhåndterlig rest, og således vil det også være med dette udkast og dette forslag.
The Community and its Member States are convinced that the peace process in the Middle East is a unique chance which must be seized if we are to avoid the dangers threatening stability in the region.
Vi tyske socialdemokrater insisterer på, at der i det mindste skal være en mulighed for medlemsstaterne for at fastsætte en grænse, når vi koncentrerer os om forholdstalsvalgretten.
They are convinced that a just, lasting and comprehensive peace, based on the UN Security Council's Resolutions 242 and 338 are to the advantage of both Israel and its neighbours, the Palestinians and the Middle East as a whole.
Om det skal være 3, 4 eller 5%, kan medlemsstaterne selv bestemme, men medlemsstatens mulighed for at fastsætte denne grænse, skal vi have med i udkastet.
The Community and its Member States have repeatedly underlined the importance of ensuring respect for human rights and of introducing credibility-building measures as a means of increasing confidence between the parties and to speed the negotiations.
Jeg er heller ikke enig i det, hr. Duverger sagde. Der er i henhold til hr. De Guchts udkast mulighed for at fastsætte valgkredse for regionale eller andre særegenheder, dvs. at enkelte medlemmer kan vælges ind i Europa-Parlamentet, selv om der nationalt findes en spærregrænse på 5%.
They strongly condemned the Israeli decision on 17 December to deport more than 400 Palestinians, and expressed regret that the Israeli authorities failed to react to the former presidency's appeal to discontinue the deportation policy, which is a breach of the fourth Geneva Convention and in this instance, an infringement of Lebanon's sovereignty.
Det vil jeg gerne bede Dem overveje.
This concern is shared by the international community, as reflected in the UN Security Council's Resolution 799.
Nej, hr. formand, jeg vil ikke stemme for denne betænkning, thi i mine øjne opfylder den ikke noget dybt politisk behov.
At the EC/Israel Cooperation meeting held in Brussels on 1 February, the EC foreign ministers urged the Israeli Foreign Minister, Mr Peres, to act immediately on the deportees issue.