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Når det er sagt, og selv om vi går ind for betænk ningen, tager vi afstand fra det indtryk, den kunne give af at ville bekæmpe den spekulation, som sydens og solens folk udøver over for de trætte europæere, der kommer fra Fællesskabets mere industrialiserede lande, i deres søgen efter nogle få solbeskinnede hektar jord til at nyde deres otium.
We shall also be interested to hear what Commissioner Van Miert has to say to this, given the eloquent remarks which I read he made about consumer protection at an international conference last week.
Som ordføreren meget vel understreger, når det drejer sig om grænseoverskridende handel med fast ejendom, kommer denne handel ofte i stand ved hjælp af disse angelsaksiske ofres landsmænd, som har deres rødder — ellere følere — i Spanien og Portugal.
Until now there has been scant evidence of either the European Commission or the national authorities taking any vigorous action to deal with the multitude of problems.
Spekulationen er ligesom ånden, der omtaltes i Genesis: »Spiritus ubi vult, spirat«, ånden inspirerer, hvor den vil, og hvor den kan.
It is true that foreign potential purchasers may be more careless when it comes to acquiring land or a house abroad than when purchasing an electric toaster at home in London or the Hague.
Den finder på nye felter og måder at operere på, men den vælger ikke ofre efter nationalitet. litet.
Once you have made your hed, you have to lie in it and we cannot help people when the fault is their own.
At vi stemmer for forslaget til beslutning vil imidlertid ikke sige, at vi er absolut enige i begrundelsen.
But the authorities — even the Spanish authorities — cannot take refuge behind this lazy minority, because
Vi havde gerne set, at betænkningen anførte tal, statistikker og andre data, der kunne vise, om de udenlandske ofre for bedrageri eller faglig inkompetence er et stort mindretal eller ej.
I am sorry to see that the negative publicity which is already causing interest in the tourist sector to wane now seems to be the only means of galvanizing the authorities into action.
Hr. McMillan-Scott fremfører, at ifølge de sammenslutninger af udenlandske forbrugere, som han har sine informationer fra, er der tale om, at 20% bliver ofre for denne form for bedrageri eller inkompetence.
A Europe-wide solution is needed in the light of 1992; ample scope for such a solution is provided under the consumer protection clauses of Article 100A of the EEC Treaty, unless we want the notion of a citizens' Europe to remain a hollow election slogan.
hr. Haanraadts i Benissa, der også har indgivet et andragende.
The final priority is international legal cooperation in bringing actions against Spanish and foreign fraudsters.
Der vil stadig være tale om lappeløsninger, så længe der ikke findes nogen europæisk rammelovgivning om international ejendomshandel; og derfor er det mig en glæde at kunne meddele, at hele Den Liberale Gruppe er positivt indstillet over for hr. McMillan-Scotts betænkning, dersom ændringsforslagene bliver vedtaget.
As the rapporteur has already observed, some people have perceived in his report and in my action an unjustified attack on one particular Member State.
Det er rigtigt, at en række udenlandske potentielle købere somme tider går mere letsindigt til værks, når de køber grund eller hus i udlandet, end når de køber en elektrisk kødkniv hjemme i London eller i Haag, og den, der ikke vil høre, må føle: Mennesker, der selv har skylden, kan vi ikke hjælpe.
Joint European action, legal cooperation, Community framework rules for property transactions under European framework legislation which is ap plicable in all the Member States: this is what we owe the citizens of Europe.
Men myndighederne, ej heller de spanske myndigheder, kan fortsat skjule sig bag dette dovne mindretal, fordi også de må føle, og — det har jeg allerede nævnt — godt og vel to tredjedele af de sager, som er kommet mig i hænde fra de besvegne, vedrører sager om bedrageri og mangelfuld lovgivning.
There is plenty of talk about 1992, but for the Liberals 1992 is not just aimed at corporate bodies: 1992 is for the citizens of Europe.
Under det spanske for mandskab fik jeg ligeledes mange løfter om støtte, men indtil nu er disse smeltet som sne under den spanske sol.
Our citizens have a right to clear, comprehensible inform ation about their rights and duties.
Jeg skal tillade mig at sige, at jeg ikke tror på det.
In a Europe without frontiers, our citizens have a right to protection against fraud.
I ordførerens betænkning nævnes 17 andragender og 300 klager.
We support this report.
I den spanske ombudsmands rapport om emnet henvises der rent faktisk kun til seks tilfælde af bedrageri på Middelhavskysten.
CASSIDY (ED). — Mr President, may I add my voice to those which have been raised in praise of the efforts of the rapporteur on this very important topic.
Vi havde desuden gerne set, at betænkningen havde medtaget visse data vedrørende juridiske præciseringer, som jeg af tidsnød ikke kan komme nærmere ind på her.
I think that Mr McMillan-Scott, nobly assisted by members of the Petitions Committee, but also by members of the Commission staff, has gone into this matter in a very thorough way.
Jeg skal imidlertid nævne et yderst vigtigt problem i forbindelse med dette emne.
Mr President, I consider our priorities to be as follows : firstly, the loopholes in Spanish legislation, in particular mortgage laws, must be closed.
Løsningsforslagene forekommer os interessante, og derfor støtter vi dem.
Fraud is too easy and too tempting for Spanish and also foreign property developers.
Vi skal dog klart understrege, at så længe der kan oprettes fiktive selskaber, og man i Gibraltar eller på øen Man kan oprette et selskab for 150 000 pesetas om året, vil alle registre over tilfælde af bedrageri være uden værdi.
It is still possible to sell property that does not yet exist and will never be built, for example because the plot of land in question turns out to be a military area.
Mindst 15% af turistindtægten er afhængig af de godt 1 million udenlandske ejendomsbesiddere på Middelhavskysten.
But such mythical properties can still be recorded because Spanish mortgage laws allow mortgage and construction deeds to be registered.
Europa '92 kræver en europæisk løsning, og artikel 100 A i EØF-Traktaten om forbrugerbeskyttelse er mere end tilstrækkeligt grundlag her, medmindre vi ønsker, at Borgernes Europa skal forblive hult valgflæsk.
The measures approved by the Spanish Cortes on 27 June are a step in the right direction towards better protection of the rights of all buyers, including Spanish buyers.
Her og der har vi kunnet gøre noget med held.
The third priority is protection of buyers.
Ved personlige kontakter med for eksempel borgmestre er der rettet op på en god del af elendigheden, for eksempel for
We have received countless complaints about the poor quality of houses, failure to receive permission for water and electricity connections, and so on.
Hr. formand, jeg betragter følgende som prioriteter : For det første må man stoppe hullerne i den spanske lovgivning, især i realkreditlovgivningen.
I myself have received letters of complaint, which I have duly passed on, from people living in my constituency about losses which they have suffered in property purchases, whether permanent properties or timeshares, both in Spain and in Portugal.
Det er for nemt at begå bedrageri, og det er for lokkende såvel for spanske som for udenlandske byggefirmaer. Det er stadig således, at man kan sælge fast ejendom, som ikke eksisterer, og som heller ikke kan bebygges, fordi det for eksempel viser sig, at grunden er militært område.
I would like to pay tribute to the very prompt response which the Spanish Cortes has made in tightening up the law as it currently exists.
Alligevel kan et sådant spøgelseshus indskrives i tingbogen, fordi den spanske lovgivning tillader dette med henblik på at registrere erklæringer om heftelser og nybyggeri.
There was a suggestion in committee that perhaps we needed yet more work on this report. I don't think we do.
Det er stadig således, at sælgere kan skille sig af med det samme hus to eller flere gange.
It would be difficult to imagine any more work being put in than has already been done by the
Nederlandske købere betrag-
Waiting lists are very long.
ter en notars tilstedeværelse som en garanti for, at alt er i orden, men den spanske notar behøver ikke at undersøge noget nøjere, og ofte opdager man efter købet, at der stadig påhviler ejendommen omfattende forpligtelser, som man så automatisk hefter for.
MONNIER-BESOMBES (V). — (FR) Mr President, allow me to begin by saying that I too regret that we were not able to consider the question of conscientious objection today.
De foranstaltninger, som det spanske Cortes vedtog den 27. juni, er et pænt første skridt med henblik på at nå frem til en bedre retsbeskyttelse af alle købere, også de spanske.
I think the hundred thousand young people a year who ask not to do military service and who are looking towards this Assembly are very likely to ask themselves certain questions when they are told that this document could not be considered for technical reasons.
Så det er i mange henseender et universelt problem.
which raise expectations, such as time-sharing, but regarding which no ad hoc legislation yet exists in Spain, or indeed in 80% of Community States.
For det andet : Oplysning til de potentielle udenlandske købere.
And while there is no legislation, there is indeed a practice.
På mit initiativ blev der i sin tid udgivet en simpel brochure på forskellige sprog, men det ser ud, som om der er mange problemer med at få den udbredt; der bør også laves en folder til notarerne i Colegio Nacional de Notarios.
Such a practice is very frequent in enclaves such as Gibraltar, in which, as Mr Gil-Robles has said and as 1 can confirm, by setting up a limited company with virtually no capital it is possible to perform a sort of 'real-estate conjuring trick'.
For det tredje : Køberbeskyttelse.
But I would add that the matter does not end there.
Vi har fået utallige klager over husenes elendige tilstand, over, at man ikke har kunnet få tilladelse til tilslutning til vand, elektricitet og så videre.
The purchaser is simply a member ofthat company or club, and they sell him what is, in the time-honoured phrase, 'a castle in Spain', a nonexistent castle made of paper.
Jeg vil gerne udtrykke min anerkendelse af den meget hurtige reaktion fra det spanske parlament, der har strammet den nugældende lovgivning.
Naturally, the Spanish authorities, who are extremely displeased at being unable to levy taxes on these acquisitions, can do nothing about that state of affairs.
Jeg forstår også, at Kommis sionen arbejder på at formulere et charter for for brugerbeskyttelse på dette område, og det glæder vi os til at se.
But they can indeed do something about certain defects in the legislation, defects which have been rectified, with the undertaking by the Government, not only by means of the Royal Decree, but also by means of the declaration by the Cortes on the matter.
For det fjerde: Klager må nu omsider tages alvor ligt.
I come now to the McMillan-Scott report.
Oplagte bedragere eller fup-entreprenører må virkelig kunne retsforfølges, men somme tider varer det mere end ti år at få kørt en sag gennem retssystemet. Ventelisten er alenlang.
We are fully aware of the need to protect consumers' rights, that is quite clear, and this document makes the right points in a number of areas.
Alene domstolen i Denia har 157 sager til pådømmelse, og der er stadig 94 på ventelisten, de fleste af dem angår nederlændere.
The amendment tabled to paragraph 8 on this subject certainly up-dates the document, but without giving satisfaction as to its content.
Det blev antydet i udvalget, at der måske var behov for endnu mere arbejde på denne betænkning.
For example, we would have to be able to look at the complete document by the Spanish Congress which was adopted on 27 June 1989.
Det mener jeg ikke. Man kan vanskeligt forestille sig, at der kan gøres mere arbejde med den, end ordføreren allerede har gjort.
For our part, we also think that a number of the considerations set out in the explanatory statement are not quite adequate, as Mr Roblès said.
Derfor kan jeg uforbeholdent anbefale Parlamentet at støtte den.
So we think it would be best to refer the report back to committee to lighten it a little, so that we can adopt it next time in full and without protest.
Monnier-Besombes (V). — (FR) Hr. formand, med Deres tilladelse vil jeg gerne fremsætte en indledende bemærkning om et forhold, som også jeg beklager, nemlig at vi ikke i dag fik mulighed for at komme ind på spørgsmålet om militærnægtere.
One example of a defect which is not exclusive to Spain, but a feature of all legal systems governing property based on the Roman-Germanic tradition, is the absence of any obligation to harmonize the land register, which declares title, vis-à-vis the physical reality dealt with in the property register.
Til slut : Internationalt domstolssamarbejde i forbindelse med retsforfølgning af spanske og udenlandske svindlere; dette er særlig vigtigt, idet der finder en hel del salg sted uden for spansk territorium.
A second case, which Mr McMillan-Scott has ap parently encountered, is somewhat unusual, but may nevertheless arise.
Nogle vil i McMillan-Scott-betænkningen — det har ordføreren lige sagt — og også i mit indlæg se et uberettiget angreb på én medlemsstat; men det forholder sig nu engang således, at langt den største del af problemerne opstår i Spanien ; og netop fordi the bad. guys ofte er udlændinge, er dette initiativ fra Europa-Parlamentet på sin plads.
The land register certifies charges against the property, but does not certify them right up to the moment of signature, since, in the hour or so following receipt of the land register certification, a shrewd promoter, one without a sense of responsibility — in a word, unscrupulous — may enter a mortgage against the property in the register. This situation, too, will be dealt with, without prejudice to existing legal sanctions.
Fælles europæisk aktion, domstolssamarbejde og europæiske ramme regler for handel med fast ejendom i en europæisk rammelov, der bør være gældende i alle medlemssta ter.
BRU PURON (S). — (ES) Mr President, I must say that the McMillan-Scott report, based on some complaints apparently submitted to the Committee on Petitions, already has a long history.
Alt dette skylder vi den europæiske borger.
In the meantime the European Parliament elections and the change of legislature have intervened.
Vi taler så meget om 1992, men set med liberale øjne er 1992 ikke alene til for virksomhederne, 1992 er til for den europæiske borger.
It comes as something of a shock, after the meeting of the Committee on Petitions held a year ago, in Madrid, if I am not mistaken, in which it heard a wide variety of opinions from the sectors concerned which to a large extent mitigated the extreme claims and assertions made in the report, to discover that this latest version, without sufficient reason or full knowlegde of the facts, again contains some very extreme assertions.
Bliver disse forslag gennemført, kan megen menneskelig sorg undgås i fremtiden.
In that case, clearly, the Spanish authorities can only make the best of a bad job.
Men ved gennemlæsning deraf, viser det sig, at det hovedsagelig er i forbindelse med Spanien og Portugal, at problemerne melder sig.
Similarly, the number of justified complaints actually detected does not exceed 400, if I am not mistaken ; while 80% of the complaints involve contracts drawn up outside Spain.
Således tillader det til punkt 8 stillede ændringsforslag absolut en aktualisering af dokumentet, dog uden at man opnår noget med hensyn til det egentlige i sagen. F.eks. bør vi have mulighed for at
The root of the trouble — though I am not saying that there are not other causes, which will be rectified — is the possibility of drawing up contracts outside the territory of the State whose legislation governs property transactions in that country, and, furthermore, to do so by means of highly accessible and attractive procedures
Cassidy (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, må jeg slutte mig til dem, der har rost ordførerens bestræbelser på dette meget vigtige område.
SCRIVENER, Member of the Commission. — (FR) Mr President, let me begin by paying tribute to the parliamentary committee, and especially to its rapporteur, Mr McMillan-Scott, for the considerable work they have done on the situation as it stands.
De kan til gengæld gøres ansvarlige for visse mangler i lovgivningen, mangler, som allerede er blevet udbedret, eftersom regeringen ikke blot gennem kongelig forordning, men også gennem det spanske parlamentets erklæring desangående har forpligtet sig til at udbedre lovgivningen.
consumers from misleading marketing, but it is also worth pointing out that, unfortunately, some Member States have not implemented that directive. So, the Commission is looking into this matter, true, but the Member States also have their responsibility here and so surely do the Members.
For vort vedkommende mener vi også, at en række præmisser, som nævnt af hr. Robles, ikke er helt velegnede, for så vidt angår begrundelsen.
I am going into such detail in order to show you that the Commission is looking into this matter, although perhaps from a different angle.
Følgelig mener vi, at det er bedre at henvise betænkningen til fornyet udvalgsbehandling for at få lettet lidt på den, så vi næste gang kan vedtage den i fuld klarhed.
It also calls on the Commission to draw up a public, European register, accessible to all Member States, of persons banned from acting as the director of a company or assuming any other commercial responsibility. ibility.
Som eksempel kan nævnes den mangel, der ikke blot gør sig gældende i Spanien, men i alle retsordninger vedrørende fast ejendom i den romersk-germanske tradition, nemlig at der ikke er nogen forpligtelse til at sørge for, at tingbogen tilpasses den fysiske realitet, som matriklen er udtryk for.
You are right, Mr McMillan-Scott, to refer to Article 222 which forbids the Community to take or propose measures that may prejudice the rules in Member States governing the system of property ownership. What that means is that the Commission is not directly competent to deal with the matters which were object of the complaints unless they involved a violation of Community law.
Til trods for at der er tale om et ikke-lovmedholdeligt forhold, kræves der i dag i Spanien en sådan overensstemmelse mellem matriklen og tingbogen.
That does not mean, as we know full well, that the Commission cannot show an interest in them.
Bru Purón (S). — (ES) Hr. formand, jeg skal gøre opmærksom på, at den betænkning, som hr. M cM i l lan har udarbejdet på grundlag af visse klager, som åbenbart er blevet indgivet til Udvalget for Andragender, har en lang forhistorie.
It is true that they will have to be considered in view of the internal market, but I must admit that there is also a problem of resources in the departments responsible for consumer protection, for their resources and activities are limited.
I mellemtiden er Europa-Parlamentets legislaturperiode blevet afbrudt af de stedfundne valg.
The measures for which the rapporteur is calling are not regarded as priorities under the existing programme.
Det er unægtelig lidt chokerende, at efter Udvalget for Andragenders møde i Madrid for ca. et år siden, hvorunder der fremkom en række udtalelser fra de involverede sektorer, som i vid udstrækning tog brodden af de ekstreme påstande, der fremførtes i betænkningen, så genoptager denne seneste udgave uden tilstrækkeligt kendskab eller begrundelse meget ekstreme på stande.
On the eve of the budget, I therefore feel that you have a very important part to play in calling for and trying to obtain the extra resources which are certainly needed if we are to take any steps here.
For det andet med hensyn til et ganske vist lidt udsædvanligt tilfælde, men som dog kan fore komme, og som hr. McMillan har fået kendskab til.
After receiving these petitions, the Commission held many meetings with officials of the administrations of the Member States concerned.
Tingbogen indeholder oplysninger om behæftelser på ejendommen, men ikke ført helt up to date til tidspunktet for undertegnelsen, for inden for den time eller to, der går fra det tidspunkt, hvor oplysningerne modtages, kan en ansvars- og samvittighedsløs agent optage ny prioritetsgæld. Også dette område vil blive behandlet uanset de allerede eksisterende strafferetlige bestemmelser.
Although these complaints come under the domestic competence of the Member States, these officials showed much goodwill in the search for solutions and kept the Commission informed of developments in many cases.
Ligeledes at antallet af reelle klager, hvis jeg husker rigtigt, ikke overskrider 400, og at 80% af klagerne netop stammer fra handel indgået uden for Spanien.
In fact, as the rapporteur himself admits, the number of complaints has fallen, considering that in Spain alone thee are at least one million properties owned by nonnationals.
Ondets rod — og jeg siger ikke, at der ikke findes andre årsager, som der vil blive fundet en løsning på — skal findes i muligheden for at indgå handelen uden for den stat, hvis lovgivning er gældende for ejendomshandlerne i det pågældende land, og des uden i det forhold at handlerne finder sted under ganske vist meget lovende og interessante former såsom timesharing, som der imidlertid hverken i Spanien eller i 80% af fællesskabsstaterne endnu findes nogen ad hoc-lovgivning for.
Mr McMillan-Scott's report also refers to several texts on the banking and mortgage sector which arc indeed in the process of negotiation and which are of great importance in this question.
Der findes ingen lovgivning, men nok en praksis.
The same applies to the provisions on malpractice.
En praksis, der hyppigt ses i visse enklaver såsom Gibraltar, hvor der som anført af hr. Gil Robles kan oprettes et aktieselskab for meget få pesetas, hvilket giver god grobund for ejendomssvindel.
Here we have formulated a draft proposal as provided in the communication from the Commission to the Council entitled 'New impetus towards a consumer protection policy'.
Men jeg skal tilføje, at dette ikke er hele problemet.
Today we have reached the stage of consultation between departments.
Køberen får status af medlem af et selskab eller en klub, og man sælger ham, hvad man med en traditionel talemåde kalder »luftkasteller«, et ikke-eksisterende korthus.
1 think it is worth pointing out that the EEC directive on misleading publicity has frequently helped protect
Dette kan de spanske myndigheder, der i forvejen har tilstrækkelige problemer med ikke at kunne inddrive skat på disse erhvervelser, ikke gøres ansvarlige for.
I recognize of course the limited capacity of the Commission to deal with these problems both in legal terms and in manpower terms.
Scrivener, medlem af Kommissionen. — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg vil ført og fremmest takke Parlamentets udvalg og ganske særligt dets ordfører, hr. McMillan-Scott, for det omfattende værk, han har udarbejdet om den nuværende situation.
However, I am sure that the issue will not go away and I hope that the latter comments of the Commissioner that this was not a priority in the Commission's programme will alter in time.
Betænkningen resumerer en lang række klager fra forbrugere og købere, der har været ofre for bedrageri og svindel ved køb af fast ejendom i andre medlemsstater.
May I briefly thank all the speakers who have contributed to this debate and also in committee and I regret that I was not able to be there personally for the committee discussions.
Størstedelen af disse klager er af ordføreren eller andre medlemmer af Europa-Parlamentet videresendt til Kommissionen, medens andre blev sendt direkte til Kommissionen af klagerne selv.
Although I respect the fact that we are not dealing with one country alone, I would simply like to say to Mr Gil Robles who spoke very fervently in his country's defence, if I may put it that way, and also to Mr Bru Purón, that statistics can be made to suit all purposes.