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Vi mener, det er vigtigt at understrege, — som ordføreren gjorde det — at blandt de kriterier, som Parlamentet har fastlagt for vurdering af, om et medlems immunitet skal bevares eller ej, er der et, som er grundlæggende: Vi skal forsvare menings- og ytringsfriheden til det sidste.
ROGALLA (S). — (DE) Mr President, we have listened to the report together with other groups, and on behalf of my own group I would add that we really had a hard time over this request for the waiving of parliamentary immunity. Those honourable members who have reported on behalf of our committee have not had an enviable task.
Af alle disse grunde vil vi stemme mod Defraigne-Betænkningen.
SCHODRÜCH (DR). — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, he who sleeps is without sin !
Fernex (V). — (FR) Den 23. september 1986 blev jeg sammen med 23 andre franskmænd anholdt, medens jeg var med til at blokere en militærtransport foran Pershing-basen i Mutlangen.
We know that the misdemeanours of which Mr Ruiz Mateos is accused will be best dealt with by the courts, and we have found no link whatsoever with his political activities.
Det erkendes med rette, at det, min kollega, fru Breyer er anklaget for — i hovedsagen en sid-ned-aktion, der medførte vejblokade — skete i for bindelse med en såkaldt direkte aktion, som var ikke-voldelig, i første halvdel af 1980'erne, en periode, hvor opinionen mod fornyet atomoprustning var på sit højeste i hele Vesteuropa.
Everyone is entitled to protest, peacefully, Mrs Breyer was doing precisely that, Mrs Breyer was unjustly punished, I say so expressly as a lawyer myself and thus contradict what the honourable member from the EPP has said.
Nuvel, ikke-voldsaktioner, som ikke mindst Gandhi har lært os, er i sig selv, uanset de konkrete former, de antager, simpelthen frit udtryk for tanker og bevidsthed.
We can look back here on a long history of proceedings in similar cases, where accounts had allegedly been manipulated or credit advices and the like falsified.
Det gælder i særlig grad, når der som i mange europæiske lande i den periode er en udbredt følelse af, at man berøves suverænitet, og borgerne er sig bevidst, at de ikke har indflydelse på de valg, som er afgørende for deres fremtid.
In these cases Parliament always waived immunity to enable the Member State authorities to verify the truth or otherwise of the charges laid.
Da sagen kom for retten, løslod dommer Krumhart i Schwäbisch Gmünd mig, idet han mente, at der var tale om en politisk aktion i overensstemmelse med den internationale samvittighed og lov, som for dømmer masseødelæggelsesvåben.
We shall therefore be voting for the motion because it is a just and because it is not acceptable that a politician should be prevented from demonstrating in this way.
Naturligvis appel lerede anklageren sagen.
(Parliament adopted the decision)
Det er klart, at man kan være enig eller uenig i de bevæggrunde, som fik fru Breyer og mange andre unge til at udføre disse ikke-voldsaktioner.
As you know, parliamentary immunity is not a privilege given to individuals who just happen to be members of parliament.
Men det er vigtigt, at Europa-Parlamentet slår fast, som det blev gjort enstemmigt i udvalget, at det ikke er retfærdigt eller acceptabelt, at man bliver retsforfulgt blot for at have villet udtrykke sine filosofiske eller politiske meninger med alle til rådighed stående ikke-voldelige midler.
But when criminal charges are made, the judicial system in the member's home country must be able to investigate.
At gå imod massetilintetgørelsesvåben og at gå imod Pershing- og krydsermissiler, det er at handle som en ansvarlig person og en ansvarlig borger, som overholder de internationale aftaler.
DEFRAIGNE (LDR). — (FR) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, Mr Ruiz Mateos is involved in numerous wrangles with the Spanish political and legal authorities over a procedure to seize companies which are managed and owned by him.
Jeg henviser i den forbindelse til Haag-konventionen fra 1907, Genève-protokollerne fra 1925, som handler om beskyttelse af civilbefolkningen, FN-pagten fra 1945, som fordømmer anvendelsen af trusler, konventionen om folkedrab fra 1948 og navnlig Genèvekonventionerne om beskyttelsen af civile.
Those familiar with Spanish domestic politics haveclaimed that Mr Ruiz Mateos' political career and his work in the European Parliament were aimed specifically at enabling him to acquire immunity.
Alle disse internationale konventioner er gældende lov i landene.
I offer no comment on that, because we cannot vet an accusation of that kind.
Men for øjeblikket, nogle måneder efter tilbagetrækningen af Pershing-missilerne, sidder tyske borgere stadig i fængsel.
Certain media activities do suggest, however, that this is an exceptional case.
De sidder i fængsel, fordi de gik imod og fordi de modigt, som en af dem, der har haft ordet før mig, sagde, rettede sig efter deres samvittighed og international ret.
All the morereason why the judicial system in his home country should be able to investigate.
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
We Socialists shall thus be voting for the motion.
Vi går nu over til afstemningen.
In the Ruiz Mateos case the accusations are presented in such a way
Det er ikke desto mindre sandt, at vi står over for lovbrud af teknisk art, som vi ikke er i stand til at vurdere.
that they appear to have nothing to do with politics and to be independent of any political position.
Det er for øvrigt heller ikke vor opgave. Vi er ikke kompetente i den sag.
That is why we are agreeing now, but I would stress that we in no way agree with the way the Spanish government has proceeded in the whole Rumasa affair.
Det er det spanske retsvæsens opgave at skelne mellem rigtigt og forkert i denne sag og derfor foreslår jeg Dem at stemme for anmodningen om ophævelse af den parlamentariske immunitet.
We distance ourselves from any politically motivated witch hunt against any member of this House — and thus against Mr Ruiz Mateos as well.
Schodruch (DR). — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, den, som sover, synder ikke!
I can go on talking, Mr President, after the Group's explanations of vote.
Alle har ret til at demonstrere, til at demonstrere fredeligt. Fru Breyer har ikke gjort andet.
FORD (S). — Mr President, can you tell me if any of the speakers has declared a personal interest in this matter ?
Det er heller ikke således, at de kolleger, der aflægger beretning til vort udvalg, har en misundelsesværdig opgave.
We note that the honourable member's private assets have been confiscated without compensation under an expropriation order.
Derfor stemmer vi for forslaget, det er velbegrundet og det forekommer ikke acceptabelt, at en politiker hindres i at demonstrere på denne måde.
So we shall keep a sharp eye open to see whether the procedure which has been instituted is improperly used later to justify these measures.
(Ophævelse af immunitet forkastedes)
VERDE I ALDEA (S). — (ES) Mr President, I am speaking on a point of order.
Den Socialistiske Gruppe vil enstemmigt slutte op om betænkningen og således stemme for ophævelse af immuniteten.
Parliament's Rules of Procedure state that when a member wants to speak on a matter, if he has an interest in it, he must declare it.
Vi ved, at de lovovertrædelser, hr. Ruiz-Mateos beskyldes for, bedst afgøres ved domstolene, og vi har ikke på nogen måde kunnet få øje på nogen sammenhæng med hans politiske virksomhed. somhed.
In this case I think that the family connection between the member who has spoken and the member whose waiver of immunity is being requested gives rise to such a situation.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok.
We are sorry that there has been no controlled reprivatization and that this did not succeed in parliament due to the majority which dominates in the Spanish parliament at the moment.
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We hope to see a proper legal action in which all the parties involved can put their case clearly and fairly, so that the reason for the action and its outcome will be solely that justice is done and seen to be done.
Vi kan allerede her se tilbage på en længere historie om procedurer i lignende tilfælde, hvor der angive ligt er blevet manipuleret med konti eller forfalsket kreditnotaer o.l.
PERREAU DE PINNINCK (RDE). — (ES) Mr President, I am speaking because of references made to me personally. My only interest in this matter is that truth and justice should shine out.
I sådanne tilfælde har Parlamentet altid ophævet immuniteten for at give medlemssta ternes myndigheder mulighed for at undersøge, om de forskellige anklager var berettigede.
When Mr Ruiz Mateos, my father-in-law, and I stood for the European Parliament elections, the 600,000 Spaniards who voted for us and put their trust in us to come here knew full well what we were being charged with and who we
Defraigne (LDR), ordfører. — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, fru Ruiz-Mateos har i forbindelse med en sag om konfiskation af selskaber, som han leder eller er ejer af, været ude for talrige konflikter med de spanske politiske myndigheder og med det spanske retsvæsen.
PERREAU DE PINNINCK (RDE). — (ES) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, my Group will vote against the report, in other words, against agreeing to the request presented by the Spanish government to try our colleague, Mr Ruiz-Mateos. Our group believes that the Rumasa affair is much more complex than the report of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure has made out.
Kendere af spansk indenrigspolitik hævder, at hr. Ruiz-Mateos' politiske karriere og hans arbejde i Europa-Parlamentet skulle have haft et bestemt for mål, nemlig at skaffe sig immunitet.
In order to understand the Spanish Socialist govern ment's interest in trying Mr Ruiz-Mateos; it is necessary to consider the request from its true perspective.
Det vil jeg lade stå hen, da et sådant udsagn ikke kan verificeres af os.
And I say this because the Rumasa affair includes four different aspects and it is not possible to deal with them in isolation.
Visse aktiviteter inden for de offentlige medier taler ganske vist for, at vi her har et usædvanligt tilfælde.
Firstly, it includes the unjustified expropriation of the Rumasa holding which was made up of more than 700 companies and 65,000 employees and contributed almost 2% of the Spanish gross domestic product.
Malangré (PPE). — (DE) Hr. formand, min gruppe støtter ordførerens forslag, for det er i overensstemmelse med Europa-Parlamentets objektive kriterier.
LANGER (V). — (IT) Mr President, it is not for us as Parliament to judge the facts on which the immunity of Mr Ruiz Mateos Jiménez de Tejada should be upheld or waived.
I sagen Ruiz-Mateos fremstilles anklagerne, som om de var upolitiske og uafhængige af de forskellige politiske holdninger.
But this would not appear to be any excuse, the motives of those who elected him must not succeed in protecting him from the arm of the law in his own country.
Derfor vor accept nu, men jeg understreger, at vi ikke dermed på nogen måde accepterer den spanske regerings fremgangsmåde i
Secondly, the Rumasa affair includes a disastrous management of the holding by the State in which more than one billion pesetas, more than ECU 8,000 million, were lost.
Hr. Ruiz-Mateos er af en undersøgelsesdommer blevet anklaget for talrige ulovligheder i forbindelse med den finansielle og økonomiske administration af disse selskaber.
Thirdly, it includes the scandalous reprivatization of the companies from the group, which were sold at bargain prices to businessmen friends of the Socialist govern ment, as you can read in a recently-published book on the countless economic and financial scandals which have marked the administration of Felipe Gonzalez's government.
Til sidst står kun to lovovertrædelser tilbage, som vedrører den måde, hvorpå selskabernes aktiver er blevet vurderet.
In that case Parliament will, in our view, have to decide whether it is more important to uphold its own mandate or to allow justice to follow its course.
Jeg tror ikke, at man under disse omstændigheder kan sige, at hr. Ruiz-Mateos har været udsat for politisk forfølgelse, da jo størstedelen af de anklager, der er blevet rejst mod ham, er blevet forkastet.
We should thus like to confirm on this occasion that parliamentary immunity must not become a kind of members' privilege — though in this instance we have the
brór, samt protegéer af Miguel Boyer, økonomiminister i den regering, der eksproprierede Rumasa, eller personer med forbindelser til Enrique Sarasola, en nær ven af Felipe González, berigede sig ved reprivatiseringen af Rumasa, et holdingselskab, hvis ekspropriation kostede spanierne mere end den nuværende plan for autonomierne«.
VECCHI (GUE). — (IT) Mr President, the Group for the European Unitarian Left will vote for the Defraigne report and is thus in favour of waiving the parliamentary immunity of Mr Ruiz Mateos. It is not the job of the European Parliament to decide the merits of the accusations made against the honourable member but simply to determine, on the basis of the criteria we have adopted in this matter, whether the accusations come within the categories we elected to protect by means of immunity.
Jeg kan fortsætte, hr. formand, efter gruppens stemmeforklaringer.
— : 'In the light of the time which has passed, the political meaning of the Rumasa scandal is revealed in all its crudeness.
Vi vil følge med i, om der bag et slør af angivelig objektivitet dukker en politisk begrundelse op.
Or this other one : 'Every day it becomes clearer that the Rumasa affair is political.
Vi har taget til efterretning, at en konfiskationskendelse har konfiskeret Ruiz-Mateos' private formue uden erstatning.
Mr González, and no longer Mr Boyer, who was just an instrument in a decision, will have to pay for it'.
Vi vil derfor nøje se til, om den sag, der er indledt, misbruges til at sanktionere disse foran staltninger nu bagefter.
This theory is also supported by the European Court of Human Rights' recent admission to final proceedings of an action for defencelessness brought by the Ruiz-Mateos family.
Vi beklager, at der ikke er sket en lovformelig reprivatisering, og at den parlamentariske behandling af dette spørgsmål er strandet på det nuværende flertal i det spanske parlament.
In the case in question, the rapporteur and the Committee on the Rules of Procedure rightly considered that the strictly financial nature of the offences with which the Spanish judicial authorities have charged Mr Ruiz Mateos means that they in no way fall within the province protected by parliamentary immunity — the same conclusion reached by the German authorities in their decision to extradite him — since they can in no way be deemed material to Mr Ruiz Mateos' parliamentary activity or the expression of his opinions.
Verde i Aldea (S). — (ES) Hr. formand, jeg tager ordet til forretningsordenen.
GOLLNISCH (DR). — (FR) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, I shall confine myself in this affair to referring to a text much quoted by the Left, the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen.
Parlamentets forretningsorden siger, at når et medlem ønsker at tale om en sag, som han har en interesse i, skal han gøre det klart. I dette tilfælde forekommer det mig, at familieforholdet mellem taleren og det medlem, hvis immunitet ønskes ophævet, er et sådant tilfælde.
I quote, more or less from memory 'No one may be arbitrarily deprived of his property unless it be in the legally established public interest and conditional on payment of fair and prior compensation'.
(Bifald)
Of course it can't!
Perreau de Pinninck (RDE). — (ES) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, min gruppe vil stemme imod betænkningen, altså mod at imødekomme den spanske regerings anmodning for at dømme vores kollega, hr. Ruiz-Mateos.
Was there any public interest in nationalizing the Rumasa group?
Vores gruppe mener, at Rumasasagen er meget mere omfattende, end det fremgår af behandlingen i betænkningen fra Udvalget for For retningsordenen.
Presumably not, given that only this group was nationalized and, no sooner nationalized, was sold off sector by sector and then reprivatized !
Perreau de Pinninck (RDE). — (ES) Hr. formand, jeg tager ordet på grund af personlige hentydninger.
PERREAU DE PINNINCK (RDE). — (ES) Mr President, I was saying previously that the Rumasa affair is about an unjustified expropriation, a disastrous State management and a scandalous reprivatization.
Min eneste interesse i denne sag er, at sandheden og retfærdigheden skal komme klart frem.
A fourth aspect would be the hypothetical infringements which might have been committed by the holding in the course of its management by Mr Ruiz-Mateos.
Da min svigerfar, hr. Ruiz-Mateos, og jeg stillede op til valget til Europa-Parlamentet, var der 600 000 spa niere, som stemte på os og viste os tillid, således at vi kunne komme her.
But out of these four different aspects, the Socialist government only wants to concentrate on the last one, wanting to dissociate it completely and so prevent people from getting to the bottom of all the scandals in which it has been involved.
De vidste til overmål, hvad vi blev beskyldt for, og hvem vi var.
Mr Solchaga, the Minister of the Economy who replaced Mr Boyer, has already said : 'As long as I am minister, there will never be a committee of inquiry into Rumasa'.
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
If there was any public interest here, was it legally established?
Vi går nu over til afstemningen.
Was any fair and prior compensation paid ?
For det første handler den om den uberettigede ekspropriation af holdingselskabet Rumasa, som bestod af over 700 virksomheder og havde 65 000 ansatte, og som bidrog med næsten 2% af det spanske bruttonationalprodukt.
And noboby queried this during the meetings and debates of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure, the Verification of Credentials and Immunities. munities.
For det andet handler Rumasasagen om en ruinerende offentlig forvaltning af holdingselskabet, hvilket medførte tab på over en billion pesetas eller over 8 mia. ECU.
The request which they have sent to Parliament is only so as to set up a show trial for two alleged offences committed by Mr Ruiz Mateos, one of which, even more scandalously, according to the very text of the request, was committed on 24 February, when the holding had already been expropriated from him on 23 February and, therefore, he was not responsible for it.
Langer (V). — (IT) Hr. formand, det tilkommer ikke os som Parlament at dømme om baggrunden for, at man beder os om at opretholde eller ophæve hr. Ruiz-Mateos Jiménez de Tejadas' immunitet.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are faced with a clear case of political persecution, although the rapporteur has not chosen to recognize it as such.
Vi ved — og blev mindet derom lige før — at et vist antal spanske vælgere valgte ham, selv om de kendte sigtelserne mod ham, og at de måske netop valgte ham for at redde ham fra den retssag, der føres mod ham.
I can simply read out two or three recent press cuttings: an editorial from a reputable Spanish daily newspaper said — and I quote
I så fald mener vi, at Parlamentet må
They are going to the police
Langer serne ifølge selve anmodningsskrivelsen er begået den 24. februar, da holdingselskabet var blevet eksproprieret den 23., og han således ikke længere var ansvarlig for det.
GOLLNISCH station to report their victims! This is exactly the situation we are faced with, and the honourable course would be to allow Mr Ruiz Mateos to continue as one of us and to voice his brave protests against the procedure followed by the socialist government of Spain.
afgøre, om det er vigtigst at beskytte hans mandat eller at lade retten gå sin gang.
in which the evidence obtained against Mr Ruiz-Mateos is challenged by the systems used to obtain it.
Vi ønsker i hvert fald ved denne lejlighed at slå fast, at den parlamentariske immunitet ikke må blive en slags privilegium for medlemmerne — i dette tilfælde har vi dog på fornemmelsen, at nogen ønsker at bruge den således
This is a process in which, as other colleagues have pointed out, reprivatization has cost thousands of millions of pesetas to the Spanish taxpayer but, at the same time, has made millionaires out of certain smart characters who depended on the government's favour in order to buy firms at giveaway prices which they then sold with very substantial capital gains.
— men udelukkende skal betragtes som en institution med det formål at beskytte Parlamentet og dets uafhængighed.
This is a process which is shrouded in the shadow of doubt and corruption and a process where, in spite of requests by many political groups, any parliamentary inquiry into its vicissitudes has been obstructed.
Vecchi (GUE). — (IT) Hr. formand, Gruppen for Den Samlede Europæiske Venstrefløj vil stemme for Defraigne-Betænkningen og går altså ind for ophævelse af hr. Ruiz-Mateos' parlamentariske immunitet. Det er ikke Europa-Parlamentets opgave at tage stilling til det, vores kollega beskyldes for, men blot på grundlag af de kriterier, vi selv har fastlagt, at vurdere, om anklagerne falder inden for de kategorier, vi har besluttet at beskytte med immunitet.
SUÁREZ GONZÁLEZ (PPE). — (ES) Mr President, it is nearly eight years since the night on which a European government, which is as good as saying a government which should respect the unavoidable demands of a constitutional State, decided to confiscate the companies of our present colleague Mr José María Ruiz-Mateos.
Kære kolleger, vi står over for et klart tilfælde af politisk forfølgelse, selv om ordføreren ikke har ønsket at erkende det. Jeg kan blot læse to-tre udklip fra pressen fra de seneste tid.
For this reason I plan to vote against the granting of the request as long as the Spanish government fails to show the same interest in clearing up these scandals as it does in harassing Mr Ruiz-Mateos.
En leder i et anset spansk dagblad lød — jeg citerer: »I lyset af den tid, der er gået, afsløres Rumasa-skandalens politiske betydning i al sin grelhed.
All the guarantees which are granted by law to those who are affected by an expropriation were ignored, thus turning it into a genuine and proper confiscation.
Beruset af hovmod over de 10 mio. stemmer, som spanierne gav dem i naivitet, ville socialisterne demonstrere deres overvældende almagt og intimidere den traditionelle økonomiske magt, samfundets magthavere, ved at slå en fremtrædende person i hovedet«.
The expropriated property was awarded later to various individuals, some of whom have done splendid deals getting rid of it at its true price, whilst at the same time the fundamental right of reversion in favour of those who had been expropriated was denied.
González bør betale for den, ikke Boyer, som blot var redskab for en beslutning«. Denne teori bekræftes også af Den Europæiske Menneskerettighedsdomstols antagelse til realitetsbehandling af den sag om ret til frihed, personlig sikkerhed og retfærdig rettergang, som familien Ruiz-Mateos har anlagt mod den spanske socialistiske regering.
NAVARRO VELASCO (PPE). — (ES) Mr President, the expropriation of Rumasa and the confiscation of the property of its chairman, José María Ruiz-Mateos, which took place eight years ago next Saturday, is an act which offends the legal and democratic conscience of any European citizen.
Med hensyn til den sag, vi står over for, har ordføreren og Udvalget for Forretningsordenen med rette fundet, at de lovovertrædelser, de spanske myndigheder sigter hr. Ruiz-Mateos for, er af rent finansiel art og — hvilket de tyske myndigheder i øvrigt har erkendt ved vurdering af udleveringssagen — på ingen måde ligger inden for det område, som er beskyttet af den parlamentariske immunitet, da de på ingen måde kan påvirke hr. Ruiz-Mateos' parlamentariske aktivitet eller ytringsfrihed.
The government which adopted these measures charged Mr Ruiz-Mateos, by a rule with the status of law, with administrative or criminal offences, in such a way that this citizen has been found guilty without being heard and has been sentenced to nothing less than the loss of all his property, and not by a judge, but by a government. In democratic Europe there are no precedents.