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Men disse er politiske beslutninger af den allerstørste betydning for alle Europas borgere.
LOMAS (S). — I am grateful for the reply from Mr Millan, and I know it is always difficult to have to answer for what other Commissioners have said in speeches, but Mr Bangemann, as well as referring to neutrality, specifically said, and it is quoted in the report I have, that it also meant accepting a European Community army.
Men hvordan bliver de truffet?
Only this week Mr Dankert in a sense rebutted the call by Mr Delors, which I thought was crackpot, for an army to go into Yugoslavia.
Der indgås studehandler af ad /joc-regeringsudvalg i røgfyldte lokaler.
There has been no decision about having any common market army.
Der finder ikke nogen reel demokratisk kontrol sted, hverken på europæisk eller på nationalt plan.
There are countries in membership now who are certainly not neutral but who would certainly not agree to a European Community army.
Sand heden er, at der ikke finder nogen kontrol sted overhovedet.
Is it Commission policy that any new Member State must accept a common market army ?
Dette er en helt utilfredsstillende, og jeg vil endda gå videre endnu og sige en fuldstændig uacceptabel måde at føre offentlig politik på i Det Europæiske Fællesskab.
LANE (RDE). — I thank the Commissioner for his reply but I would ask him to ask President Delors to make a clear statement that what Commissioner Bangemann said is not Commission policy, because I was concerned in this House some time ago when the leader of one particular group was not only saying we must move away from neutrality, but that the Community must have a strike force.
Dette må der gøres noget ved, og der må opstilles ordentlige regler.
I do not know where we are going with this sort of talk.
Vi er midt i en regeringskonference om Den Politiske Union — er der noget bedre sted end den?
If the Community at a later stage wishes to change that, then that decision must be taken by all Member States, not by the Commission or any individual Commissioner.
Jeg medgiver, at såvel signatarstaterne som dem, der senere har tilsluttet sig Schengen-aftalerne, tilstræber dette mål. Om de når det på korrekt vis, det er et problem, jeg ikke vil komme ind på nu.
MILLAN. — There is no question of a Commission policy on this because of course ultimately the decisions will not be taken by the Commission.
Men denne fremgangsmåde er i det mindste ikke velegnet til at fremme Fællesskabets ide og den ånd, der bør præge den politiske eller juridiske opbygning af et virkeligt fællesskab, hvis symbol og bærende søjle burde være den frie bevægelighed for personer.
I would recommend the honourable Member to look at the Commission opinion on Austria, where the question of Austrian neutrality was of course considered, and the view of the Commission, which has now of course gone to the Council, was that any difficulties in relation to that could be overcome.
Derudover sker der det, når man kommer ud på det skråplan at regulere Fællesskabets mål på konventionel vis, at man uretmæssigt baner vej for et Europa med flere hastigheder, og det er alvorligt.
I cannot anticipate what the Commission will say in the case of Sweden, but there are similarities.
Roth (V). — (DE) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, under denne forhandling drejer det sig om det indre demokrati i Fællesskabet, og vi oplever her igen en gang en bedrøvelig lære om afdemokratiserings- og afparlamentariseringsprocessen på den ene side og ukontrolleret regeringsmagts anmasselse på den anden side.
There are also differences as the honourable gentleman will know but whatever Mr Bangemann may have said, the Commission's opinion in the case of Austria is already now on the public record and, I repeat, the view of the Commission at that time was that the question of Austrian neutrality did not raise insuperable problems.
I det konkrete tilfælde med Schengenaftalen og andre aftaler vil vi faktisk — hvis en eller flere stater ikke tiltræder dem, hvilket ikke er nogen rent teoretisk hypotese — komme til at stå med et område af EF's territorium, hvor der ikke findes indre grænser, og et andet område af det samme territorium, hvor grænserne opretholdes.
DE ROSSA (CG). — I would like to ask the Commissioner if he would agree that if it became a condition for membership of the European Community that a country may not be neutral, then Ireland would have to withdraw from the European Community?
Mon det vil lykkes de europæiske borgere at fatte denne dobbelthed?
Would he not also agree that it is quite worrying that a
Mon det vil lykkes nogen at forklare dem et sådant fællesskabs natur og enhed?
MILLAN. — I do not disagree with the last point which has been made by the honourable Member.
Et fælles europæisk hus har kun perspektiv, dersom det ikke kun opfattes som et økonomisk område, dersom det ikke hæmningsløst ofrer retsstatslige principper og grundlæggende rettigheder, men er et område, hvor der lever mennesker, og som udformes demokratisk af mennesker til mennesker.
Of course, if following the Intergovernmental Conference on Poli tical Union there were Treaty changes relating to these matters, which significantly change the present situation — and that is always a possibility because the whole question of foreign and security policy and defence policy is an issue for the intergovernmental conference — then obviously the Swedish application would have to be considered in that context.
Det modsatte sker, og det gør Malangrébetænkningen med rette opmærksom på.
All I can say is that the Irish situation is not in any way in jeopardy because of any developments which have happened or are likely to happen in the Community.
Det er allerede flere gange blevet kritiseret af Parlamentet, at Kommissionen i spørgsmålet om den såkaldte indre sikker hed og fri bevægelighed for personer har overladt initiativet til Schengen-gruppen, Trevi og andre mel lemstatslige hemmelige grupper.
But so far as Sweden and Austria are concerned, their applications will have to be considered in the light of the situation on these matters at the time when the ultimate decisions are made.
Roth skabet et egentligt system til beskyttelse af de grund læggende rettigheder, herunder en passende retslig garanti, står igen på dagsordenen.
WELSH (ED). — I would ask Mr Millan to be a little more helpful to Mr Lomas and others who have raised this point.
nogle medlemsstaters halvt illegale praksis og lever ikke op til sin pligt at fremme den fri bevægelighed i Fællesskabet.
That being the case, could Mr Millan say if that is a collegiate view or was the President speaking only for himself and would Mr Millan wish to dissociate himself from the President's remarks ?
Når jeg nu ser nøjere på Schengenaftalen som omfattende model for Fællesskabet, bliver det klart, at målet er et repressivt Fællesskab. Den harmoniserede asylpolitik er toneangivende for hele området vedrørende den såkaldte indre sikkerhed.
pits and we now have three and where there are valuable schemes that could be started with RECHAR, we are unable to start them because of the attitude of the British Government.
Netop flygtninge kan uden større indenrigspolitisk mod stand diskrimineres og marginaliseres, og med dem som forsøgsobjekter kan den næsten totale overvågning og registrering gennemprøves.
There are many other funds at the moment and the question of additionality is far from satisfactory there either.
Italien, som for ganske nylig har undertegnet Schengen-aftalen, gav os i sommer et indblik i, hvorledes flygtninge behandles, i stedet for at Fællesskabet for alvor lever op til sit ansvar for flugt og flygtningestrømme.
Would the Commissioner say whether or not he believes that, if the British Government persists in its present policy, it may be necessary to look at the same kind of action in relation to other regional funds for the United Kingdom ?
Tiden er derfor inde til at afsløre en sandhed: Vi behandler stadig disse emner på baggrund af uvished om fremtiden.
MILLAN. — I am being tempted into making all kinds of statements.
Der findes et kompleks af rettigheder, pligter, risici og forventninger til Fællesskabets opbygning, som svarer til et statsborgerskabsforhold.
So far as the defence issue is concerned, I would recommend the honourable Member to refer to the Commission contribution to the Intergovernmental Conference on Political Union.
Vi vil gerne undgå, at dette forhold reduceres til et rent undersåtligt forhold.
The views of the Commission were very well stated here and they have not been subsequently amended.
Det er af disse grunde, at vi, samtidig med at vi støtter betænkningen, ønsker at henlede alle medlemmernes opmærksomhed på, hvor væsentlige disse anliggender er, for at der kan ske noget som helst fremskridt i opbygningen af en stadig tættere union mellem vore folk. Vi kan intet håb nære, medmindre vi fuldt ud anerkender den enkeltes rolle ved beslutninger om fremtiden for et Fællesskab, som i første række bør være borgernes, dernæst staternes.
So far as the question of neutrality is concerned, I would repeat that on the Austrian application the views of the Commission are on public record and if honourable Members wish to know the collegiate view of the Commission, it is better to refer to the public record of Commission collegiate reports or recommendations rather than to the state ment of any individual member of the Commission, including of course myself.
Schengen som model for en koordineret politik vendt mod flygtninge: bestemt ikke for os.
PRESIDENT. — Question No 59 by Mr Megahy (H718/91)
Borgernes Europa gælder ikke for dem.
Subject : RECHAR programme in the UK
Bontempi (GUE). — (IT) Kommissær Bangemann har i dag bekendtgjort en nyhed, som jeg mener er vigtig: Der er intentioner om at indføre bestemmelser om asylret, hvor specielt et punkt vil blive behandlet, et punkt, vi har diskuteret meget længe, nemlig om flygtningestatus kan begrundes med økonomiske forhold, ikke kun politiske.
Following the refusal of the Commission to release the finance for the RECHAR programme in the UK, will it inform the Parliament as to what progress has been made in resolving the additionality situation in the UK ?
Skal vi ikke, når det drejer sig om demokratiet i Fællesskabet, anvende de allerhøjeste principper, den allermest nøjagtige målestok, i stedet for konsekvent at har monisere nedad?
In the meantime, I do not feel I can release the funds for the UK RECHAR programmes.
Schengen er for os på ingen måde en model, heller ikke en pragmatisk model.
I regret that very much indeed because this is an initiative which is particularly valuable for the UK.
Bindi (PPE). — (IT) Hr. formand, jeg vil ikke stå og opregne alle grundene til, at jeg bifalder hr. Malangrés glimrende betænkning, men jeg vil specielt nævne, at jeg er helt enig i forslaget, fordi alle beføjelserne vedrørende problemer med fri bevægelighed skal underlægges fuldstændig demokratisk og retslig kontrol på de forskellige niveauer.
WELSH (ED). — Could the Commissioner confirm that Her Majesty's Government has regularly accepted the principle of additionality. There is no quarrel about that.
Vores udgangspunkt er en god betænkning, udarbejdet meget beredvilligt og fordomsfrit af hr. Malangré.
Where there is a difference is in the Commissioner's interpretation of the regulation and the government's interpretation.
Og jeg vil gerne her benytte lejligheden til at tage et lille sidespring fra den langtrukne polemik om Schengen til den afsporing af diskussionen, som denne har medført.
I quite accept that the Commissioner is entitled to his interpretation but Mr Megahy's constituents might wish to note that he has the power to release that money at any time.
Man burde i stedet rettidigt og med gennemslagskraft have lagt en strategi for borgernes frie bevægelighed og for de grundprincipper, som hænger uløseligt sammen med denne.
MILLAN, Member of the Commission. — I met a number of British Ministers on 25 April to discuss additionality and other issues relating to the implementation of European structural fund programmes in the United Kingdom.
Jeg tænker her på, at der er blevet truffet foranstaltninger, som virkelig var nødvendige i mange tilfælde, men det er sket ved aftaler mellem forvaltninger og ikke på grundlag af de principper, lovgiverne har etableret, og principper, som bygger på en verdensanskuelse og et politisk perspektiv.
Since then there have been a number of meetings at official level which have explored problems in greater detail.
Det har slået os mærkbart ud af kurs, afledt vor opmærksomhed og vort arbejde, og jeg tror, det er tid til at tage mange af de gode idéer op, som hr. Malangré har givet os.
Nevertheless, I am still not satisfied that the current system of treating structural fund grants in the United Kingdom taken as a whole satisfactorily transmits the effective value of Community structural funds to the eligible regions.
Vi bør glæde os over, at der er et udvalg, der har taget dette kvalitative spring.
I have therefore indicated that I am not yet in a position to agree to the programmes for the UK under the RECHAR initiative.
Jeg mener, det er strengt nødvendigt at sikre Fælles skabet præcise beføjelser angående indvandring, visa og kontrol ved de ydre grænser.
Could he further tell us whether he is perfectly satisfied that every other Member State in receipt of funds from the Regional Fund is in full conformity with his interpretation of the regulation or whether we can expect these draconian measures to be applied to other lucky recipients ?
Vi har udarbejdet et ændringsforslag, som er blevet optaget i Malangrébetænkningen.
MILLAN. — On the first point, as a matter of fact there is no difference at the moment, whatever there may have been in the past, on the interpretation of the relevant article of the regulation.
Bontempi regeringer, inden man kom med løfter om, hvad man ville gøre.
In my opinion, they do not.
jeg ikke blot statsborgerskab for dem, som er født i et af Fællesskabets tolv medlemslande, men for alle dem, som virkelig vil tilhøre en europæisk virkelig hed, som er åben, et område i verden, som alle vender sig hen imod.
So far as other Member States are concerned, there is no problem in any other Member State in any way similar to the problem we have with the UK Government.
Og når der så sker ting som i Albaniens tilfælde, er der virkelig grund til at holde sig for øjnene!
Therefore, in the case of the RECHAR Programme I have been able to release funds for other Member States.
Van der Waal (NI). — (NL) Hr. formand, et af hovedpunkterne i Malangrébetænkningen er, at Kommissionen ved gennemførelsen af den fri bevægelighed for personer i Fællesskabet ikke lever op til sine traktatsforpligtelser og overlader for meget til regeringssamarbejdet.
TITLEY (S). — I would like to join my colleague, Mr Megahy, in supporting the Commissioner on his stand, although it is causing problems for the Wigan and Salford areas in my constituency. Perhaps the Commission would therefore be good enough, particularly for Mr Welsh's ears as he is obviously after a knighthood at the moment, to tell us exactly what action by the British Government would satisfy the Commissioner as to their sincerity of purpose.
Det vil jeg gerne kommentere. tere.
Extra raised support grant ?
Jeg mener, vi må se tingene på denne måde.
Increased loan sanction?
Og så må vi kræve, at lovgiverne og de, der lægger strategierne, holder sig til deres demokratiske funktion.
What does the British Government have to do to satisfy his requirements ?
Når det drejer sig om arbejdstagernes fri bevægelighed, står alt helt klart. Spørgsmålet falder uden videre inden for EF's kompetenceområde.
MILLAN, Member of the Commission. — The Commission has in the past been carrying out a number of pilot actions aimed at preventing the disease AIDS.
Udviklingen i forbindelse med Schengenaftalen gør det ganske klart, at afskaffelse af grænsekontrollen er fuld af uløste problemer.
These actions will now be reinforced by the adoption by the Council on 4 June 1991 of a programme, Europe against AIDS, to run from 1991 to 1993.
Dette hænger nøje sammen med de nationale love om udlændinge, indrømmelse af asyl og bekæmpelse af kriminalitet, narkotika og våbenhandel.
The honourable Member will be pleased to learn that the questions of prevention, health assistance and reduction of HIV transmission among high-risk groups are covered by several actions in the programme.
Deltagerlandenes politik med hensyn til ordensmagt og justits må afstemmes indbyrdes.
In implementing this programme the Commission will indeed pay particular attention to these issues.
Når henses til, at den fri personbevægelighed har disse vidtgående følger for de nationale retsordener, må der derfor også sondres skarpt mellem Fællesskabets beføjelser og medlemsstater nes.
As called for by the Council resolution on the programme, the Commission will transmit a report on the work done in the second half of 1992 to the Council and the European Parliament.
Traktaten indeholder intet om en politik med hensyn til domstole og ordensmagt, vi må derfor gå ud fra, at dette henhører under de nationale beføjelser. ser.
I would add that it may be of interest to the honourable Member to know that a research action on AIDS has been developed by the Commission since 1987 which will make a key contribution to Europe against AIDS.
Blaney (ARC). — (EN) Hr. formand, der er mange ting i denne betænkning, der appellerer til os alle.
TARADASH (V). — (IT) Mr Commissioner, this is no longer the time for research in this field but for action.
Ikke desto mindre rejser der sig en række spørgsmål omkring dens intentioner. I præamblen står der, at medlemsstatsregeringerne i deres erklæring i forbindelse med undertegnelsen af Fællesakten vedrørende den fri bevægelighed nævner samarbejdet mellem medlemsstaterne, men »med forbehold af Fællesskabets beføjelser«.
In fact by now measures to prevent the spread of AIDS amongst drug addicts are known to all doctors and all health workers and are also set out in Action 6, approved by this Parliament, namely: the distribution of sterile syringes in exchange for used ones, the administration of methadone instead of heroin, or of legal heroin instead of heroin from the criminal black market, where a system of absolute freedom of sale and trade flourishes, and, finally, the distribution of condoms.
Og alligevel finder vi tidligere i præamblen i punkt K, at alle former for ad hocgrupper og arbejdsgrupper synes næsten at være ude af kontrol ved gennemførelsen af det, der var inde holdt i erklæringen i forbindelse med undertegnelsen af Fællesakten.
This applies for drug addicts and in prisons. We must not forget that today the spread of AIDS is increasing almost solely amongst drug addicts.
Faktisk klages der i betænkningen over, at Fællesskabet ikke informeres fuldt ud og i realiteten er dårligt informeret om, hvad disse grupper laver, uden tvivl i Fællesskabets navn, eftersom de må være blevet nedsat af det eller af nogle af dets institutioner.
I therefore ask whether these actions have been adopted by the Commission and whether work is being started in this direction.
Hvad dette angår, generer det os ikke, at disse anliggender bliver drøftet på regeringsplan.
MILLAN. — Of course I do regret that this delay has occurred, that I have not been able to release these funds, because they are very much needed in the areas for which they are intended.
Selvom jeg er enig med ordføreren i, at Kommissionens rolle i dette samråd er temmelig uigennemsigtig.
But if I were to approve the programmes and the programmes did not have any effective impact on the areas concerned it would be a rather futile exercise, and that is the fear that I have at the moment.
Kommissionen er ansvarlig over for Parlamentet, men er den det også for spørgsmål, som formelt falder uden for Kommissionens kompetence?
I think that would be a solution to the problem and it is the kind of solution that I suggested to them, but which has not so far been accepted by the UK Government.
Demokratisk kontrol er således ikke udelukket.
PRESIDENT. — Question No 60, by Mr Taradash (H722/91)
Dette synes at være noget selvmodsigende. Navnlig fortsættes der med udsagnet om, at regeringssamarbejdet ikke har givet de forventede resultater.
MILLAN. — I think if the honourable Member would look at the various actions which are provided for under the 1991 to 1993 plan of action, he will find that all these particular matters are in fact considered.
Jeg vil gerne henlede Parlamentets og Kommissionens opmærksomhed på, at der ikke i Irland er noget af det, der er foreslået hér, uanset hvor prisværdigt det end måtte være, som overhovedet kan gennemføres, medmindre der tages fat om den nuværende situation.
I am not saying that his views or for that matter Parliament's views have necessarily been accepted 100% by the Commission, but these various matters are included in the plan of action for consideration.
Der er et andet punkt i betænkningen, som vi også gerne vil nuancere lidt. Det bliver betonet, at den frie bevægelighed for alle borgere er i høj grad ønskelig.
CRAWLEY (S). — Is the Commission aware that in prisons in the United Kingdom the distribution of condoms and sterile needles amongst prisoners is not allowed on the basis that the Government believes if it did allow it, it would be condoning what it considers an illegal act in prisons?
Enig, men det forekommer mig, at det ikke er mindre vigtigt for borgeren, hvad det er for foranstaltninger, der kompenserer for denne frihed.
What will the Commission do in
Jeg tænker på indførelsen af skærpet indenlandsk kontrol og oprettelsen af et informationssystem, men især også på den indre sikkerhed.
Can the Commission say what measures it has already taken and what further steps it intends to take to implement the 'Europe against AIDS' programme?
I alle tilfælde er det en sag, som kræver stor omhu, og hvor kvaliteten efter vor opfattelse bør have forrang frem for overholdelsen af frister.
More specifically, can it provide the above inform ation in relation to Action 6b, 'Prevention, health assistance and reduction of HIV transmission among
Til slut, set i lyset af den voksende flygtningestrøm til Vesteuropa er det tvingende nødvendigt, at udlændingepolitikken bliver afstemt. Dette problem angår imidlertid alle lande i Vesteuropa, ikke kun EF.
CRAWLEY the light of that information, which I am sure it has already, to compel Member States to take up not only the spirit but also the letter of its Action against AIDS programme ?
Derfor forekommer harmonisering inden for Europarådet mig i denne sammenhæng ikke mindre vigtig end samarbejdet inden for EF.
Finally, is the Commission aware of a prominent group in the United Kingdom, of which several Conservative MPs are members, who have said that people who have AIDS will have to look to their civil and human rights being curtailed ?
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er udsat og vil blive genoptaget i morgen kl. 15.00.
mozene — the World Health Organization has published guidelines which are being used by the UK Government.
(Mødet udsat kl. 19.05 og genoptaget kl. 20.45)
It may be that the water supply for human consumption complies with UK Government guidelines.
Formanden. — Mine damer og herrer, vi har i dag fornøjelsen af at tage imod Hans Majestæt kong Hussein af Jordan på et tidspunkt, der er afgørende for løsningen af en konflikt, som i mange år har bekymret det internationale samfund og Europa.
The Commission has discussed this problem formally with the UK authorities but has so far not been convinced of measures to be taken by the UK in order to ensure that the requirements of the Directive are respected. The Commission will pursue the matter with the UK authorities.
Jordan er i dag en af staterne i det splittede store arabiske hjemland, som alle arabere engang drømte om skulle være deres forenede hjem i frihed, og hvorfra de ville genoptage deres effektive bidrag til menneskelig civilisation og fremgang.
MILLAN. — There have been a lot of statements made about AIDS, some of which many of us would find disagreeable, and indeed deplorable.
Vort land er relativt lille i udstrækning og befolkningstal.
I can only again refer to the plan of action which is now a very detailed plan of action.