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Det ind fører også noget andet: Diskrimination mellem studerende, som kommer fra økonomisk svage EF-lande, og studerende fra de rigere lande. Hvor er så ligheden, hvad angår adgang til videreuddannelse?
In addition to man and things — that is to say, goods — which are both elements that can be subjected to damage, this third value has been introduced — which moreover includes the other two — which had never been taken into consideration in earlier directives: hence the concept,
Kostopoulos de samme chancer som Fællesskabets borgere.
European Parliament should dwell on it somewhat.
Også den simple erklæring, som det foreslås, at de studerende skal afgive, om, at de råder over tilstrækkelige midler til eget underhold, er efter min mening et restriktivt element, da tolkningen heraf vil være meget fleksibel.
Another important point is the extension of the directive to nuclear waste — a subject that is certainly one of dramatic topicality.
Med en sådan erklæring vil den udenlandske studerende måske automatisk blive udelukket fra de eksisterende eller fremtidige uddannelsesprogrammer og måske også fra retten til at arbejde for at dække sine behov under studierne.
We cannot launch an opinion today and a directive tomorrow that exclude both nuclear waste — which sounds an alarm bell, often very real and dramatic, in many countries in Europe and the rest of the world — and the damage caused by hydrocarbons.
Det kan man lave vittigheder om, men det er Rom-Traktaternes retssystem, på grund lag af hvilke vi, Kommissionen, skal udarbejde forslag og Rådet træffe afgørelser.
I will only say that the proposal introduces the principle of compulsory insurance and objective responsibility.
Jeg tror, at vi i stedet for at bruge lange og omstændelige formuleringer i et direktiv burde beslutte en gang for alle at sige et rent ja, et ja med store bogstaver til fri bevægelighed og enhver form for støtte til de unge mennesker, som skal bygge Europas fremtid op.
We also propose the setting up of a European Fund for compensation for damage caused by waste, which is extremely significant and important from this point of view also. This opinion offers many areas for discussion, but in effect the time at my disposal is somewhat limited.
Når vi er så gavmilde med hensyn til fri bevægelighed for varer og tjenesteydelser, kan vi ikke være så tilbageholdende med personers bevægelighed, og navnlig ikke dem, som vi kræver skal godkende og realisere visionen om Bor gernes Europa.
I would like at all events to emphasize one final thing, which is that during this study and this attempt to harmonize our laws, one point arose that I invite Parliament to reflect on : with regard to industrial effluent in ports there was already in existence a proposal from the Commission for a directive, that had received the favourable opinion of the European Parliament, which was then in effect not discussed further, and instead lateral agreements between Member States were implemented.
Sådan er det desværre ikke. Folk, der tilhører regeringspartier, hvis lande laver de største vanskeligheder i Rådet — og det gør de ikke af overbevisning, men udelukkende på grund af usselt mammon — repræsenterer her i Parlamentet den mening, som også jeg anser for rigtig.
I therefore repeat that Parliament — on the basis also of a question that will be debated, I think, in the next partsession — must reflect on the fact that this is indeed a Community matter on which the rules must be supranational, for the very reason that it is a matter of 'fundamental, universal interest that concerns us at first hand.
Jeg har fra starten sagt i Rådet, at det var en skændsel, at det ikke er muligt at sikre f.eks. studerende fri opholdsret uden dokumentation for ind tægter, for man ved jo, at studerende i reglen er i stand til at finde på nye måder at sikre sig indtægter på.
MEDINA ORTEGA (S). — (ES) Mr President, I should like first of all to congratulate the rapporteur on all the work he has put into this report.
Enhver, som engang har studeret og haft meget få penge, ved, at det er muligt, når man har lidt fantasi. Netop for denne gruppe af personer skal der laves bestemmelser.
Mr Ferri is a lawyer who also has considerable political experience and I am sure that his report is not simply the result of a purely theoretical process but is based on practical experience gained in office in the various posts he held until quite recently.
Bangemann, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne komme med to indledende bemærkninger, som har trængt sig på, medens jeg har fulgt hele denne forhandling.
therefore, of civil liability for damage caused by waste, to which we have also added the concept of industrial activity.
Jeg vil ganske vist ikke påstå, at denne modsætning i hvert enkelt tilfælde nødvendigvis skal være en rigtig beskrivelse af den måde, hvorpå man nærmer sig et problem, dog har man det indtryk, at der er en kæmpestor forskel mellem det, Parlamentet har givet udtryk for under denne forhandling, og det, Rådet vil — jeg er ikke Rådets talsmand, men da jeg meget hyppigt, hyppigere end Parlamentet, har med Rådet at gøre, må jeg måske sige det her — samt det, Kommissionen har til hensigt, en forskel, som så nogenlunde kan beskrives med, at Parlamentets holdning snarest svarer til det, Max Weber betegnede som sindelagsetik.
With regard to industrial activities, reference is made to Article 1, paragraph 2 of Council Directive 82/501/ EEC, which specifies a certain type of activity, shows the subsequent amendments, and therefore provides a term that is very precise and can easily be used for checking purposes.
Naturligvis ved jeg også, at en folkepensionist fra Wales, som har en lille folkepension, sandsynligvis slet ikke har mulighed for at tage til Nice for at slå sig ned som folkepensionist dér; det er simpelt hen for langt ude! Men de samme regeringer, de samme partier, som i Rådet repræsenterer dette pengesynspunkt, finder man her i Parlamentet på den mod satte side.
This is the first new feature compared with the Commission's proposal, which is a proposal that is substantially acceptable, because it is an extremely sensible, well-prepared proposal, which introduces a concept of objective responsibility, without blame; an objective responsibility that certainly needs careful thought, when it comes to be inserted in a broad legal regulation such as ours, a responsibility without blame on the basis of the principle that 'the polluter pays'.
Det ville være mig en glæde, om de samme partier — her og hjemme — ville repræsentere den samme mening. Det er et double language, som i længden vil skade Europa langt mere end den kendsgerning, at vi hist og her undertiden ikke kan gøre fremskridt.
That is why, realizing the topicality but also the delicacy of the principle of objective responsibility, when making alterations to the Commission's proposal this time we thought we should include a form of classification of different subjects, so as not to introduce, in a legal regulation that contains universal values, the principle of objective responsibility even in the case of actions by others.
Det skal absolut ikke kritiseres, kun står vi nu over for det spørgsmål: Hvad vil vi?
That is why we propose distinguishing between three subjects : the producer, the transporter or carrier, and the waste disposer.
Ønsker vi på grund lag af Rom-Traktaterne med blikket rettet mod 1992 en løsning, som er i overensstemmelse med mange menneskers interesse — og hr. Janssen van Raay har redegjort for et tilfælde, som gør det klart, at der skal gøres noget — velvidende, at denne løsning kun er et minimum af det, vi alle ønsker, eller vil vi ændre verden?
I know that there are opposing views on this point, but I would emphasize the importance of this distinction, because it is right that there should be objective responsibility, provided it is possible to monitor the subject; in fact, once the waste has passed out of the control of one subject it must come under the control of another subject, naturally one that is recognized and authorized.
Naturligvis har vi for menneskers samliv brug for en anden juridisk status end kun det borgerlige ægteskab.
Any producer that consigns waste to an unauthorized carrier will remain responsible for it, but today the collection, carriage and disposal of waste is an industrial activity that is already in itself highly complex.
Der findes for øvrigt mennesker, også af samme køn, som ønsker at leve sammen i mere snævre juridiske bindinger, end det hidtil har været muligt, og jeg tror ikke, at nogen vil have noget imod, at der udvikles sådanne muligheder.
This, therefore, is the reason why, in the draft opinion, we have set out a whole series of definitions of industrial activities by the producer, carrier and disposer, which constitute a legal framework that, in all modesty, we consider quite clear and precise.
Det ville jeg sige på forhånd for så at sige at komme af med det, som har belastet mig under drøftelsen.
We socialists are in broad agreement with the report from the Committee on Legal Affairs, but we wish to
Vi ved, at Rådet har valgt retsgrundlag, som i et tilfælde kun kræver høring. Det kan anfægtes; det er Parlamentets ret.
MEDINA ORTEGA stress that this directive can only be the first, as the rapporteur has said, of a number of directives to deal with different aspects of the subject.
Men det er også Rådets ret at sige: Nej, vi vil have dette retsgrundlag, som kræver høring.
We need stricter controls to cover the risks created by waste.
Hvis Parlamentet ikke er indforstået med det, har det siden Den Europæiske Domstols sidste dom selv lejlighed til at anfægte det.
We regard it as a step in the right direction that the proposal of the Committee on Legal Affairs provides for the setting up of a European Fund for compensation for damage caused by waste, with effect from 1 January 1992.
De kan altså lade Den Europæiske Domstol afgøre spørgsmålet.
The Fund should be financed by those responsible for the waste, i.e. the producers, carriers and eliminators.
Det finder jeg godt, fordi det udfrier os af en ufrugtbar drøftelse, som heller ikke var behagelig for Kommissionen.
Here we have an important principle, which is the joint nature of the liability.
Vi har nemlig i det ene tilfælde valgt et retsgrundlag, som formodentlig ikke er i overens stemmelse med Parlamentets mening.
Producers, carriers and eliminators must in fact be held jointly liable for all damage caused by waste.
Så er det naturligvis vanskeligt for os at anlægge sag derom, for det var jo vor egen afgørelse. Men nu er Parlamentet frit stillet.
I said at the beginning of my speech that this directive can only be regarded as a starting point for new Community legislation on the subject, and this is particularly true in the most important field of liability for damage caused by nuclear energy.
Vi vil fortsat komme til at beskæftige os med spørgsmålet om retsgrundlag.
of what was already a good Commission proposal, and I congratulate him.
Det var jeg i sidste instans ikke tvunget til, fordi Rådet viste megen forståelse.
The fact is that these are not yet recognized in all Member States of the Community because they deviate from the old French adage of point d'intérêt, point d'action — no interest, no action.
Det er imidlertid — hvis jeg må sige det på den måde — utåleligt og unfair, når to af ordførerne oprørt udtaler sig om den kendsgerning, at der i det tredje spørgsmål på ny er behov for en andenbehandling.
And the question I ask myself is this : should we, through an important directive on an important detail, interfere in deeply rooted systems of action under civil law.
Det var Deres ønske, det var, hvad De ønskede. Vi gennemførte det.
Legal action is far more national and far more deeply rooted in the practice of judges, advocates and courts than material law.
Jeg mener således, at vi i mellemtiden i spørgsmålet om retsgrundlaget har muligheder, som enhver kan se.
I have a certain sympathy with common-interest groups, but in my view we need an owninitiative report to look in general terms at how these things are dealt with in the different countries and then to see if we can effect some kind of coordination.
Vi er gerne rede til — for straks at besvare dette spørgsmål — at støtte Dem i Deres anmodning eller krav om samråd.
I allude of course to Amendment 16, paragraph 4, whose time has not yet come.
Det kan kun være gavnligt.
The signal has been given, let's see how things develop.
Jeg er gerne rede til at meddele Parlamentet, hvilke regeringer og hvilke partier i Rådet der er særlig vanskelige.
Instead of the government and political authorities taking care of it, this will be done by all manner of common-interest groups, whether approved or not, and then we shall certainly be on the wrong path.
Så kan man i Parlamentet udvælge medlemmer fra de samme partier.
We shall support you, except for two things of which this is one.
Jeg synes, at en gentlemens agreement skal blive ved med at være en gentlemens agreement, ellers kan den ikke fungere.
INGLEWOOD, The Lord (ED). — Mr President, I would like to begin by joining the other speakers in congratulating Mr Ferri on the splendid work he has done on this matter.
Jeg vil gerne anmode Dem om at se tilbage.
In my country, as in other Community countries, environmental damage caused by waste is plain to see.
I ti år har vi uden held sloges med dette problem.
Of course, it is the taxpayer who has had to foot the bill.
Først da vi forsøgte at dele problemet op i tre problemområder, da vi valgte intelligente rets grundlag, som måske ikke i hvert enkelt tilfælde er i overensstemmelse med Parlamentets mening, nåede vi overhovedet et resultat.
After all, it is always the taxpayer who foots the bill when nobody else responsible can be found and made to pay, even though he has no direct responsibility for the damage that is being caused and despite the fact that he has many other heavy calls on his money, for example education or welfare services.
Jeg tror ikke, det er nødvendigt at gå ind på alt, hvad der blev sagt under forhandlingen.
It is also extremely important that the Community and its Member States should incorporate into Community law the international rules by which they are bound.
Jeg tror, at vi her har en mangel, som er en følge af medlemsstaternes lovgivning. Vi har for få juridiske former for et intimt samliv mellem mennesker, som ikke kan eller ikke vil gifte sig i klassisk forstand.
Some of the amendments tabled are intended to widen the scope of the directive excessively by the introduction of important derogations from the general principles of law, but we must bear in mind that under the case-law established by the Court as well as Community law in general we are bound to respect these legal rules.
Hvis disse juridiske former fandtes, ville vi ikke have problemer med definitionen.
I refer to the question of time-limits for taking legal action and the retroactive period.
Da de ikke findes, er den angst naturligvis berettiget, at der kan forekomme misbrug, for hvis adfærden alene er nok til at begrunde opholdsret, er porten åbnet på vid gab for misbrug.
The general principle of legal safety requires that there should be certain limitation rules but, of course, we do not agree with Amendment No 23, adopted by the Committee on Legal Affairs, which would involve a reduction of the limitation periods proposed by the Commission.
Så kommer kam hjem, slikker sine sår og siger: »Men vi kæmpede tappert.« I virkeligheden har man intet opnået.
It is quite contrary to the 'polluter pays' principle, which we support, not least in the context of nuclear waste, but which we believe is best dealt with outside this proposal.
Jeg er imidlertid af den mening, at vi bør opnå noget. Det kan vi kun sammen, men så bliver vi også nødt til at anerkende de fælles grundlag, vi på forhånd var blevet enige om.
It is also simply a restatement of the underlying principle of the English common law of nuisance, in Latin : Sic utere tuo ut alienum non laedas, which, in turn, is one of the central tenets of my political group's thinking.
Sidste bemærkning: Vi er rede til allerede i dag at medtage en bestemmelse, som gør det klart, at alt, hvad der bliver en følge af de kommmende retsakter, navnlig tilpasningen af direktivet om vandrende arbejdstagere, optages i disse direktiver, dvs. at alle definitioner, som går videre end det, vi fastsætter i
JANSSEN VAN RAAY (PPE). — (NL) Mr President, experienced lawyer that he is, Mr Ferri has done an excellent job in reinforcing and improving many aspects
Kommissionen har valgt retsgrundlag, som De tilsyneladende i princip pet er enig i, hvis Rådet skulle vælge artikel 235. Også det er fair.
As Mr Janssen van Raay has mentioned, in some Member States the civil authorities' capacity to act is
Bangemann dag, så at sige automatisk vil komme med i disse direktiver om opholdsret.
INGLEWOOD reinforced by giving powers to special interest groups and individuals.
Naturligvis opholder de to af ham nævnte kategorier, altså anden generation af gæstearbejdere, som præcist udtrykt ikke er EF-borgere, og politiske asylanter sig ikke retmæssigt i Fællesskabet.
These provide no extension to the legislative regime and at this time we feel that these matters are best left to the Member States themselves.
(FR) Ja, ja, det er en lille nuance, men de små nuancer er undertiden vigtige!
BANDRES MOLET (V). — Mr President, on behalf of my parliamentary group, I wish to express our support for Mr Ferri's report — and to congratulate him on it— in all areas where it does not run counter to the opinion of the Committee on the Environment.
Det, vi har nået, er et enormt fremskridt.
The question we are dealing with here, Mr President, is an important one.
For første gang kan vi drøfte noget, som virkelig kan blive et resultat. Jeg vil gerne anmode Dem om ikke at undervurdere det.
The waste created by our industrial society, which generates it in ever-increasing volume, is also becoming more hazardous.
Jeg ved, at i politik er succes intet værd, fordi men altid ser ud mod den næste horisont og siger: »Sammenlignet med det, som egentlig kunne være muligt, er det, vi har nået, ingenting.« Men går vi frem efter den metode, vil vi overhovedet intet nå.
Our natural environment is being contaminated and yet there is still no automatic application of the maxim 'the polluter pays'.
(DE) Vi beskæftiger os netop med dette problem under drøftelsen om afskaffelsen af de indre grænser.
In my region, Piemonte, there were some highly injurious examples a few years ago : if we had not been able to take action, if we had not been able to obtain compensation from the carriers, it would have been very difficult to arrive at the producer or, at all events, to succeed in identifying the subjects who had concealed this waste underground.
Der er vi, som hr. Van Outrive ved, kommet så vidt, at f.eks. et lands beslutning om at give politisk asyl, accepteres af de andre lande.
And this happened in the Alessandria region : it was amongst other things a case of pollution of a city of 50 000 inhabitants, who were deprived of water as a result.
For så vidt kan man egentlig kun tale om opholdsret i det medlemsland, som har truffet afgørelsen om politisk asyl.
We should not expect too much from this from the theoretical point of view but simply appreciate its considerable usefulness.
Jeg vil gerne fremsætte en venskabelig bemærkning: De var uretfærdig over for vore ordførere, idet vi drøfter tre betænkninger. Hr. Van Outrive er her, hr. Megahy er her.
We therefore support the amendments proposed by the Committee on the Environment and, above all, we believe it is essential to introduce a system of compulsory insurance.
For øjeblikket mangler kun hr. Estgen, der, som De erkendte, idet De selv har været parlamentsmedlem, er blevet kaldt til et andet møde.
Furthermore, although in principle this directive is not aimed at — and does not refer to — nuclear waste, we consider that as the Paris Convention on civil liability in the field of nuclear energy does not go as far as this directive, its rules should apply, at least subsidiarily, to any area not covered by the Paris Convention.
Det samme gælder også for vandrende arbejdstagere eller gæstearbejdere.
Moreover I think that where health and the environment are concerned we must claim rights apart from a strictly subjective interest.
Også der afhænger i dag opholdstilladelsen af medlemslandets afgørelse og ikke af Fællesskabets afgørelse.
We are in favour of removing the adjective 'occupational' from in front of the word 'activity' wherever it appears in the text.
Når vi har gennem ført det, den spanske ministerpræsident har sagt, nemlig en europæisk borgerret, er vi så vidt, at vi kan fastsætte fællesskabsbestemmelser også om dette spørgsmål.
In our view, damage can be caused — as it clearly is — irrespective of whether the activity is occupational or not.
Men så vidt er vi ikke i dag.
We therefore support Amendment No 6.
Det var i øvrigt også grunden til, hr. Van Outrive, at Kommissionen allerede i forbindelse med Pisonibetænkningen sagde, at den ikke kunne acceptere disse ændringsforslag. De er langt forud for det, vi i dag har som retsgrundlag.
Lastly, we also approve of shifting the burden of proof where a causal link between the existence of the waste and the damage appears probable.
Vi har under alle omstændigheder noteret, at De på et møde vil aflægge beretning om de ministre i Rådet og de lande, som der er problemer med. Det har vi noteret, og vi ville være Dem taknemmelig for Deres mening i denne sag.
What Mr Ferri said earlier on the problem of industrial effluent in ports is an example of the extent to which, finally, political sensibility is now being made apparent, but it also shows, unfortunately, how little the national govern ments are doing in this field.
Van Outrive (S), ordfører. — (NL) Hr. kommissær, der er stillet et ændringsforslag, som tager sigte på at give indvandrere af anden generation og de personer, som har status som politiske flygtninge, ensartede rettigheder; det vil sige, at det her drejer sig om mennesker, der opholder sig legalt i medlemsstaterne.
BONTEMPI (GUE). — (IT) Mr President, I think that the many cases that we all know of in our own regions, our own countries, where the damage caused and danger generated by waste to health and the environment have alarmed entire populations, fully justify this directive, with the brave corrections and improvements that have been made to it.
Samme ændringsforslag er nu stillet i de tre direktiver. Vi vil i morgen foretage afstemning om dem.
Of course, we have to realize that, by this action, in the case in question, the law enters a very definite evolutionary stage.
Det er altså borgere fra tredjelande, som opholder sig legalt — jeg gentager legalt — i medlemsstaterne. Men kan ikke længere ignorere dette problem og blive ved med at sige, at vi vil løse det i morgen.
The very criterion of objective responsibility, which the classic ists have always reminded us must be absolutely rigorously and strictly limited, is in this case — linked to
Bangemann, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (DE) Hr. formand, hr. Van Outrive taler i forbindelse med
We consider that it is impossible to delay any further a European directive that gives the citizen as well the power to monitor and take action, if both Community directives and internal laws are disregarded.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok. A3-130/90) af Saridakis for
We do not think, however, that it can be proposed to attribute
For at konsolidere gyldigheden af princippet om gensidighed med tredjelande behandles endvidere proceduren for udstedelse af tilladelse til en virksomhed, som hører under et tredjelands lov givning, til at oprette datterselskab eller erhverve kapitalinteresser i en virksomhed inden for Fælles skabet.
For this very reason I would like to express my full agreement with what Mr Ferri said earlier on the overwhelming need to define the responsibility and the legal object, adding if possible to the legal subjects that Mr Ferri referred to — namely the producer, carrier and disposer — also the State or the department entrusted by the State with drawing up the lists.