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Formanden. — Det skal blive afklaret, og De skal få meddelelse om det.
President. — The matter will be cleared up and you will be informed of the outcome.
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(The minutes were and
Almindeligt budget for 1982 — Tillægs- og ændringsbudget nr. 2 for 1981
General budget for 1982 — Supplementary amending budget No 2 for 1981
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er forhandling under ét om
President. — The next item is the joint debate on
— betænkning udarbejdet af Spinelli for budgetudvalget (dok.
— the report (Doc.
1-860/81) over forslag til De europæiske Fællesskabers almindelige budget for regnskabsåret 1982, sektion III — Kommissionen — modificeret af Rådet (dok. 1-826/81)
1-860/81) by Mr Spinelli, on behalf of the Committee on Budgets, on the draft general budget of the European Communities for the financial year 1982, Section III — Commission, as modified by the Council (Doc. 1-826/81)
— betænkning udarbejdet af Ansquer for budgetudvalget (dok. 1-858/81) over Rådets modifikationer af Parlamentets ændringer til følgende sektioner: tioner:
The Council's preoccupation with budgetary restraint, which has been so clearly evident in its approach to expenditure in other chapters, might have persuaded it that, since May, there has been every indication of a significant decline in agricultural guarantee expenditure in 1982.
— Sektion II — Rådet — Bilag I — Det økono miske og sociale Udvalg
The Commission must have informed it to that effect.
Rådet har altid alene ved sin udtryksform anerkendt, at det ikke er berettiget til alene af træffe afgørelser om udgifternes klassifikation.
However, that is how the Council has decided and we, anxious to abide strictly by Community law, have to submit to that decision.
Men alligevel har Rådet til trods for indstændige og gentage anmodninger lige siden 1977 altid koldt afvist at give den ringeste forklaring på sin opfattelse af udgifternes klassifikation.
The Council also thought it could fix in the final, instance those items of expenditure that it alone regards as compulsory: expenditure on fisheries, EAGGF Guidance, interest rebates, supplementary measures for the United Kingdom, loans, food aid, and also the reserve contained in Chapter 100, which includes appropriations the purpose of which is by definition undecided and discretionary, in complete contrast to compulsory expenditure as defined by Article 203 of the Treaty of Rome.
— betænkning udarbejdet af Adonnino for budget udvalget (dok.
— the report (Doc.
1-857/81) over forslag til De europæiske Fællesskabers tillægs- og ændringsbudget nr. 2 for regnskabsåret 1981, sektion III — Kommissionen — modificeret af Rådet (dok. 1-827/81)
1-858/81) by Mr Ansquer, on behalf of the Committee on Budgets, on the
Aktuel og uopsættelig forhandling: se
Membership of committees — Topical and urgent debate: for these items see the minutes of this sitting.
Denne genopførelse forekommer os i øvrigt at være påkrævet for at skabe en bedre ligevægt mellem de forskellige udgiftskategorier, som såvel Rådet som Kommissionen også påstår at tillægge stor betydning.
The Council knew very well that Parliament would never accept any limitation of its own powers and responsibilities by any unilateral and arbitrary decision of the Council, not of Council and Commission together.
Under vor anden behandling kan vi ikke gøre andet end helt eller delvis at genopføre de af Rådet forkastede ændringsforslag.
The Council has always acknowledged, by the very manner in which it has always expressed itself, that it does not have the right to act unilaterally
Jeg håber, at man her vil give mig en varmere modtagelse end sneen derhjemme, nu da jeg på Rådets vegne skal have den ære at tale til Parlamentet.
exceed the margin, then our President will have to conclude that our budgetary procedure has been completed and that the budget is adopted.
Jeg har en dobbelt opgave i dag. Først skal jeg fore lægge forsamlingen de resultater, som Rådet nåede til den 23. og 24. november, da man drøftede forslag til ændringer og ændringsforslag til tillægsbudgettet for 1981 og budgettet for 1982.
By your vote on Thursday you will show and you will decide whether this Parliament is the living nucleus of the future true Parliament of the peoples of Europe or whether it is simply a talking-shop whose decisions are of no consequence.
altså taget hensyn til budgetudvalgets opfattelse, der gik ud på, at vi på en og samme tid skulle søge at imødekomme Rådets, Det økonomiske og sociale Udvalgs, Domstolens og Revisionsrettens behov, således at disse institutioner kunne fungere normalt, samtidig med at der blev taget hensyn til de sparebestræbelser, der lægges for dagen i samtlige medlems stater.
Several resolutions on the budget, passed in the course of this year, a formal letter from our President dated 8 October, the unambiguous and carefully reasoned statements by our President and the Parliament delegation she headed, made in the context of the budgetary conciliation meeting of 24 November, were in effect invitations to the Council to draw up jointly with us and the Commission a classification of expenditure acceptable to all three institutions.
Det var budgetudvalgets ønske at fremsætte kompromisløsninger, men alligevel har Rådet nedskåret samtlige vore forslag til det halve uden at begrunde det med andet end ønsket om at spare.
The Council has on several occasions been advised by us in very clear and precise terms that we were even prepared to consider a provisional agreement just for this year.
Hvad Europa-Parlamentets budget angår, har jeg to hovedbemærkninger at fremføre.
Let us not prejudice our future positions, but let us have an agreement, not a diktat.
Dernæst skal jeg komme med en kommentar til de forslag, som budgetudvalget og især ordføreren, hr. Spinelli, har forelagt forsamlingen til afstemning på torsdag; og jeg vil gerne have lov til at sige til hr. Spinelli, at jeg meget undskylder, at jeg gik glip af starten af hans indledningstale her til morgen, fordi jeg var optaget af et samrådsmøde med Parlamentets formand.
We have warned the Council that in the absence of such an agreement we could only accept as compulsory expenditure those items indicated as such in the three classifications of our three institutions.
For det første tror jeg, at der er på sin plads — og samtidig glædeligt — at bemærke, at Rådet har over holdt den mellem vore to institutioner bestående gentlemanaftale.
Having thus placed the expenditure in its proper context, it became apparent to us that, despite the moderation shown by Parliament at the first reading, the Council has maintained at its second reading a highly restrictive attitude, which has incidentally resulted in three countries voting against the final draft.
Rådet har ikke på nogen måde ændret ved hverken vort budgetforslag eller vore ændrings forslag.
All we can do at our second reading is simply reinstate, in whole or in part, the amendments turned down by the Council.
Jeg må sige, at det for ordføreren er overordentlig glædeligt at kunne tilkendegive dette for Rådet, og det er mit håb, at vort samarbejde må kunne fortsætte på samme måde under hele budget proceduren.
Our proposed increase in expenditure is but an insignificant proportion of national expenditure, that is to say 0-009%, or one ten-thousandth, of national expenditure, which rather makes nonsense of all this interminable talk of budgetary stringency: This reinstatement seems to us in any case necessary to achieve a more balanced budget, which is something that the Commission and the Council also claim to set such great store by.
Hr. formand, Rådets møde den 23. og 24. november fulgte det mønster, som var blevet startet af det britiske formandskab i juli, nemlig at holde et to dages møde. Den første dag havde Rådet, som De måske vil huske, en udtømmende og åbenhjertig diskussion med Parlamentets delegation om såvel de her foreliggende budgetter som de mere almene problemer, som på det budgetmæssige område dukker op mellem vore institutioner.
The Council initially responded with silence, then by attempting to arrange discussions with its subordinate bodies, later still by informal exchanges of views over one or two good meals, and finally, during our last conciliation meeting, by a curt refusal to engage in any search for an agreement for the 1982 budget and by the promise, which is non-committal, of joining with us next year in searching for a solution for the 1983 budget.
Jeg tror, at samtlige deltagere vil være enige med mig i, at debatten både var frugtbar og interessant.
Meanwhile they invite us to stick to its classification until such a time as another one has been agreed.
Min anden bemærkning vedrører den beslutning, som vi har truffet i forbindelse med de særlige reserver. De kan utvivlsomt huske, at vor forsamling overførte de særlige reserver til kapitel 100 i den hensigt bedre at kunne kontrollere udnyttelsen af de bevillinger, der blev afsat til særlige reserver.
Mr President, Members of Parliament, I have to weigh my words carefully, but the only word to describe the Council's attitude in assuming the right unilaterally to define, as it sees fit, powers that the fundamental laws of our Community give to us is 'arrogance' . . .
Men det er givet, at denne beslutning kan medføre vanskeligheder i forbindelse med betalingen af visse udgifter, og det står mig helt klart, at vi ikke bør hæmme vor institutions gode funktion, sådan at forstå at Europa-Parlamentet ikke bør optræde som dårlig betaler over for sine leverandører.
The total in commitment appropriations almost exhausts our margin and we do not want to exceed it, so in other words, by virtue of the relationship that exists between commitments and payments, the latter can use up no more than 78% of our margin.
Jeg skal endnu en gang understrege, at et af de altoverskyggende problemer for Rådets medlemmer var, at mange af os er nødt til at foretage en voldsom begrænsning af de nationale udgifter under indtryk af den eksisterende krisesituation. Jeg er klar over, at mange parlamentsmedlemmer vil svare, at man arbejder på at få overført udgiftsposter fra de nationale budgetter til Det europæiske Fællesskabs budget.
Having tried everything to persuade the Council to come to an agreement with our committee, I call upon you solemnly to proclaim, by voting for the resolution which I put before you on behalf of the Committee on Budgets, that our classification is the right and proper one and that, in the absence of any indication in our fundamental laws, the boundaries between the budgetary powers of the three institutions can only be determined with the free consent of the three institutions.
Det forholder sig dog imidlertid sådan, at mange af Deres ændringsforslag snarere ville medføre en udvidelse af eksisterende europæiske fællesskabsprogrammer end en erstatning af nationale programmer.
Now, the classification of compulsory expenditure is the only way we have of influencing the shape of the budget through amendments and modifications and of determining the maximum rate.
Ydermere kræver udvidelse af Det europæiske Fælles-
It is, in short, the only margin of manoeuvre that Parliament has.
Det var, hr. formand, kære kolleger, de meget gene relle bemærkninger, som jeg havde at fremsætte i forbindelse med anden behandling, og jeg skal gentage det af mig mange gange tidligere fremsatte ønske om, at vor institutioner reelt må blive udstyret med de finansielle og personalemæssige muligheder
I am not entirely happy with it either but I urge you nevertheless to follow our committee's recommendations and, if you do depart from them, at all events to remain within the margin; for if we go outside it we shall by our own law be held to a co-decision with the Council on the new maximum rate and we shall then be at the mercy of the Council and forced to accept whatever hand-outs it may condescend to give us.
Ridley oftest yderligere nationale skyldes et parlamentsinitiativ, er blevet hilst med tilfredshed af mange budgetudvalgsmedlemmer.
Spinelli totally inadequate perhaps, but one which will show nevertheless that we have the will to follow through with certain priorities in the sphere of social, regional and cooperation policy, which will keep borrowing and lending policy under Parliament's control and will show above all that this Parliament observes the laws of the Community and demands therefore that its decisions be respected.
skabs programmer udgifter.
President. — I call the second rapporteur.
Hvis vi forhøjer de samlede offentlige udgifter, hvad enten det sker på nationalt plan eller på fællesskabs plan, er resultaterne kun alt for iøjnefaldende: højere skatter eller øget låntagning — og de skadelige følger heraf kan meget let komme til at overstige fordelene ved de øgede udgifter.
Mr Ansquer, rapporteur. — (FR) Mr President, I shall devote my initial remarks to the budgets of the Council of Ministers, the Economic and Social Committee, the Court of Justice and the Court of Auditors and I shall end my speech with two important observations in connection with the budget of the European Parliament.
Mange delegationer er af den opfattelse, at Fællesskabets fødevarebistandsprogram trænger til en grundig gennemgang.
My second observation concerns the decision which we took in relation to the special reserves.
Men vi kunne dog alligevel gå med til at afsætte yderligere 15 mio ECU på reserve kapitlet til brug til fødevarebistand efter nærmere overvejelser.
You will recall no doubt that Parliament transferred the special reserves to Chapter 100, and it did this in order to be able better to monitor the utilization of appropriations allocated to them.
Rådet er klar over, hvor stor vægt De tillægger, at der afsættes penge hertil på budgettet.
That is why, Mr President, I intend submitting at the next meeting of the Committee on Budgets a provision which would, I believe, overcome such difficulties.
Selv om det endnu ikke er blevet afgjort, hvorledes disse foran staltninger skal finansieres, vil Rådet gå med til at forhøje maksimalsatsen for 1981 med 62 mio ECU i forventning om, at De fastholder dette ændrings forslag.
This provision would ensure that the institution would have at its disposal on 1 January enough funds to enable it to meet expenditure that it may have to incur at the beginning of the year, while at the same time keeping our general provision giving us very effective control over the utilization of appropriations entered in Chapter 100.
Jeg skal ikke gå i detaljer omkring Rådets afgørelser i den ikkeobligatoriske udgiftssektor. Som det fremgår af vore rapporter, har Rådet enten helt eller delvist vedtaget Parlamentets forslag vedrørende et bredt spektrum af udgifter, herunder energi, miljø, nyskabelser inden for informationsteknik og teknologi, såvel som forskning.
Those then are the very general remarks I wanted to make in connection with this second reading, and I would simply repeat the wish that I have expressed on more than one occasion, namely that our institutions may indeed be given the financial and manpower resources they need to be able to fulfil their allotted tasks in our Community.
Hvad angår de øvrige poster på tillægsbudgettet for 1981, har Rådet fulgt det initiativ op, som forsamlingen har taget vedrørende ekstra hjælp til Polen, ved at hensætte 10 mio ECU fra budgettets landbrugssektion til dette formål.
Mr Ridley, President-in-Office of the Council. — Mr President, Members of the European Parliament, I had the greatest of difficulty in digging myself out of the snows of western England and it was only by hard work and good luck that I was able to get here at all.
Rådet var enigt med Parlamentet i, at ekstra støtte var ønskelig, men jeg er overbevist om, at De vil være enig med mig i, at nu må Fællesskabet og især Parlamentet overveje situationen i lyset af den seneste udvikling, før man skrider til yderligere handling.
I hope I may have a warmer reception than I got at home from the snow, now that I have the privilege of addressing Parliament on behalf of the Council.
Jeg vil gerne i al korthed have lov til at komme ind på tre konkrete sager: De første to har relation til Regional- og Socialfonden, som Parlamentet plejer at tillægge stor betydning.
In the course of our last budget partsession you accepted the majority of the amendments relating to the budgets of the institutions.
Rådet er sluttet op om den opfattelse, som går ud på, at en så stor del som muligt af de til rådighed stående ressourcer skal koncentreres om disse to fonds. Jeg tror, at alle vil være enige med mig i, at vi har gjort os heroiske anstrengelser for at beskytte disse fonds mod virkningerne af budgetnedskæringer.
In so doing you took into account the observations of the Committee on Budgets, which considered that we had both to answer the needs of the Council of Ministers, the Economic and Social Committee, the Court of Justice and the Court of Auditors to enable these institutions to continue to function normally and at the same time to respect the need for budgetary stringency, which applies in all our countries.
Jeg ved, at hr. Tugendhat er imod at tale om procenter i forbindelse med Fællesskabets budget, men jeg håber dog, at han selv vil medgive, at tallene for Regional- og Social fonden er tegn på, at Rådet har gjort en betydelig indsats på dette område.
In spite of that, the Council cut all our proposals by half without, I am bound to say, offering any justification other than their interest in budgetary restraint.
Hvad angår forpligtelser, har vi forhøjet Regional- og Socialfonden med henholdsvis ca. 14 og 22 % i forhold til 1981.
It is this that has led your rapporteur and the Committee on Budgets to resubmit the amendments that you adopted at the first reading.
Hvad angår betalingsbevillinger, er tallene endnu større, nemlig henholdsvis 27, 5 % og 38 %.
As regards the budget of the European Parliament there are two main observations that I should like to make:
Men jeg synes dog ikke, at denne diskussion bør have lov til at løbe af sporet.
I have a double task today.
Netop på grund af, at dette mål er så vigtigt, håber jeg, at vi bliver i stand til at nå til enighed om alle hidtil uløste spørgsmål, således at tillægsbudgettet for 1981 hurtigt kan blive vedtaget efter Deres afstem ning på torsdag.
First I must present to the House the conclusions reached by the Council on 23 and 24 November when we considered the amend ments and modifications to the 1981 supplementary budget and the 1982 budget.
Den tredje konkrete sag, jeg gerne vil ind på, er bevillingen til boligbyggeri i Nordirland, som jeg ved at mange her i forsamlingen lægger stor vægt på.
My second task is to comment on the recommendations placed before the House by your' Committee on Budgets, and in particular your rapporteur, Mr Spinelli, for the vote on Thursday.
Adskillige af Rådets delegationer deler denne opfattelse, men eftersom der endnu ikke er opnået enighed om Kommissionens konkrete forslag, et forslag som vi først lige er begyndt at beskæftige os med, har Rådet ikke været i stand til på dette stadium at opføre bevillinger på budgettet. Vi er imidlertid blevet enige om at drage de nødvendige budgetmæssige konsekvenser, så snart der foreligger en afgørelse om Kommissionens forslag.
And may I say to Mr Spinelli that I am deeply apologetic for having missed the beginning of his opening speech this morning, but I was engaged in a conciliation meeting with the President of Parliament.
Med hensyn til budgettet for 1982 vil jeg gerne lægge ud med landbruget. De vil sikkert glæde forsamlingen at se, at en række af dens forslag om ændringer af landbrugsudgifterne er blevet accepteret af Rådet.
In the first place, I believe it is necessary — and at the same time gratifying — to acknowledge that the Council has observed the 'gentlemen's agreement' that exists between our two institutions.
Under indtrykket af de sparetider, som jeg tidligere nævnte, håber jeg, at medlemmerne vil være enige med mig i, at dette tal er udtryk for en pæn forhøjelse. Det skal opfattes som en positiv indstilling til de sidste faser af budget behandlingen.
I must say that it is particularly gratifying to the rapporteur to be able to record this fact and it is to be hoped that this spirit of cooperation will prevail throughout the budgetary procedure.
Det er den doktrin, at enhver udgift, som er opført på reservekapitlet, må være at betragte som ikke-obliga-torisk.
Now, Mr President, the Council meeting on 23 and 24 November followed the precedent set by the British Presidency in July of having a two-day session.
Jeg vil tillade mig at mene, at lige meget hvilken opfattelse man måtte have om den korrekte klassifikation af basisudgifterne — og jeg skal gerne indrømme, át man godt kan have divergerende opfat telser — kan det dog ikke forholde sig sådan, at en udgiftspost, som i traktaterne klassificeres som obligatorisk, bliver ikke-obligatorisk, når den opføres på reservekapitlet.
On the first day, as you will recall, the Council had a full and open discussion with the delegation from Parliament both on the budgets immediately under consideration and on the wider issues which arise in the budgetary field between our institutions. I think all of those who were present will agree that the discussion was both useful and interesting.
Nemlig klassifikationen af monetære udligningsbeløb. Alle tre institutioner inklusive Deres egen accepterer, at denne udgiftspost er obligatorisk.
I do not think, however, that this dispute should be allowed to get out of proportion.
Det er Kommissionens og Rådets opfattelse, at den forbliver obligatorisk, hvad enten den opføres på selve budgettet eller på reservekapitlet, mens budgetudvalget mener, at udgifter til monetære udligningsbeløb på en eller anden måde bliver ikke-obligato-riske, når de overføres fra budgettet til reserve kapitlet.
Because of the importance of that aim, I hope that we shall be able to reach agreement on all outstanding items, so that the 1981 supplementary budget can be adopted soon after your vote on Thursday.
Før jeg tager fat på resultaterne af budgetudvalgets anbefalinger i forbindelse med denne afsluttende fase, vil jeg først gerne sige et par ord om klassifikation af udgifterne.
We have set out the major points and the political background to them in the paper attached to the usual Council documents. I will not repeat here everything said there, much of which I also mentioned when I appeared before your Committee on Budgets on 25 November.
Denne klasifikation har vist sig at være et af hovedproblemerne i budgetdialogen for 1982.
On the 1982 budget, I should like to begin with agriculture.
Som jeg lovede forsamlingen i november, har jeg refereret for mine kolleger, hvor stor betydning denne forsamling tillægger dette.
The House will be pleased to note that a number of its proposals for changes in agricultural expenditure were accepted by the Council.
Vi drøftede det med Deres dele gation den 23. november, og vi drøftede det også i selve Rådet den 24. november.
In particular, we accepted the proposal to reduce by 33 million ECU appropriations for skimmed milk powder for calf-feed.
Jeg er glad for at kunne fortælle, at selv om Rådet holder strengt fast ved sin klassifikation af udgifterne, noget som det mener at have fuldt belæg for i traktaten, er vi blevet enige om, at der bør finde drøftelser sted mellem vore institutioner og Kommissionen med henblik på at forsøge at nå frem til enighed om denne klassifikation.
We also accepted several proposals to transfer sums from the line into the reserve Chapter 100. On monetary compensatory amounts, the Council discussed at length the proposal put by the Parliament to delete entirely the sums originally entered in Chapter 100 to reflect the consequences of recent monetary changes.
Vi har foreslået, at disse drøftelser skal finde sted i det nye år med henblik på at nå frem til en endelig afgørelse før starten på budgetbehandlingen for 1983.
We concluded that an amount of 150 million ECU, rather than the original 372 million, should be entered in the MCA chapter.
Jeg håber derfor, at De ikke vil tage skridt, som kan forhindre drøftelserne i første halvdel af det kommende år i at skride harmonisk frem.
I am glad to say that this result, which stems from Parliament's initiative, has been welcomed by many members of your Committee on Budgets.