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Charalambopoulos. — (GR) Vi kan ikke bedømme Kommissionens resultater på forhånd, men jeg vil love det ærede medlem, at jeg vil forelægge sagen for mine kolleger i Ministerrådet, og jeg vil meget snart være i stand til at svare på Ministerrådets vegne.
Mr Charalambopoulos. — (GR) My answer to the honourable Member is very simple. As you are aware political cooperation imposes no obligation as regards the pursuance of a common foreign policy.
Formanden. — Hr. Sutra, det er ikke noget indlæg til forretningsordenen, det er en kommentar til forretningsordenen, og alle kender forretningsordenen.
In view of the Association Agreement between the Community and Israel, does the Council not agree that it is appropriate that Greece should afford Israel full diplomatic recognition ?
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 5 af Bonde (H-217/ 83):
(Applause) and Question No 2 by Mr Geronimi (H-328/83) :
EF-kommissionen har i hæftet »Samtidsorientering« underrettet danske skoleelever om, at EFs medlemslande er blevet enige om IKKE at bruge flertalsafgørelser i spørgsmål, som blot ét af landene anser for at være af afgørende betydning.
Could not the President of the Council, using the authority he at present enjoys, follow up Greece's official recognition of the State of Israel by a personal statement on the matter ?
Deler Rådet denne opfattelse?
Following this the positions remain the same and I cannot clarify things further because it is not within the purview of the Council to do so.
Her stiller vi ham spørgsmål som ministerrådsformand og forventer tilsvarende svar.
On other issues, where they are unable to align their views, each country exercises its own foreign policy.
Jeg protesterer ligeledes, fordi De lod mig stå uforsvaret mod de kommunistiske medlemmers angreb, og jeg mener ikke, at nogen har ret til at komme med personlige angreb.
In this case I would like to point out, and the Member knows this, that at the summit conference in Stuttgart, my country, Greece, attached an important addendum to the text of the declaration on the European Union regarding this matter, and in connection with political cooperation, to the effect that Greece will not be bound in the exercise of its foreign policy by the text of the declaration.
Jeg forventer derfor, at præsidiet for frem tiden sørger for, at svarene fra Rådet vedrører Fælles skabet og ikke et enkelt land.
Consequently, each country has the sovereign right to exercise its own foreign policy as it thinks fit.
(2) Tidligere skriftlig forespørgsel nr. 600/83 ændret til spørgsmål til spørgetiden.
Topical and urgent debate (announcement) : See Minutes.
(Bifald)
(Applause from the Left)
Adamou (COM). — (GR) Jeg vil gerne spørge formanden, om der efter Stuttgart-erklæringen er opstået problemer med en mindre grad af uafhængighed og selvstændighed for Fællesskabets medlems staters vedkommende.
Would the President-in-Office confirm that Greece did accept all those commitments entered into prior to her joining, and does he appreciate that his replies so far have caused deep concern and anguish to the majority, I believe, of the Members of this House ?
Det ærede medlem henvises til Rådets svar på spørgsmål nr. H-795/82 stillet af hr. Lomas i april 1983 og spørgsmål nr. H-411/82 stillet af hr. Skovmand i november 1982, hvori det som bekendt tyde ligt fremgik, at Rådet ikke tager stilling til udtalelser, der ikke er fremsat i selve Rådet.
Mr Gontikas (PPE). — (GR) Greek governments have always argued that this stance towards Israel is a corollary of the country's pro-Arab policy.
Charalambopoulos. — (GR) Det er meget nemt at svare på hr. Adamous spørgsmål.
The question to the President-in-Office is as follows.
Der er altså ikke nogen form for forpligtelser.
Can this stance be justified today ?
Bonde (CDI). — I en pjece eller et undervisningseller propagandamateriale til danske skoleelever, som EF-Kommissionenen nu også blander sig i, meddeler man skoleeleverne: »EFs medlemslande er blevet enige om ikke at bruge flertalsafgørelser i spørgsmål som blot ét af landene anser for at være af afgørende betydning.« Se, det synes jeg er udtryk for erkendelse fra EF-Kommissionen, men jeg vil gerne vide, om rådsformanden finder det passende, at EF-Kommissionen under møder her i salen fastholder, at der ikke er vetoret samtidig med at man så forsøger at sige til f.eks. danske skoleelever, at vi sandelig har vetoret?
Mr Charalambopoulos. — (GR) I regret very much indeed that I am not all that agreeable to the Member, but instead of addressing his question to me today as President of the Council of Ministers it would be better if he were to look up the minutes to see the answer Mr Genscher gave on the same issue.
Er det rimeligt, at Kommissionen optræder med to modsat rettede udsagn?
His answer was identical with the one I gave in my initial response to the two Members' question.
Charalambopoulos. — (GR) Jeg kan oplyse det ærede medlem om, at sagen er blevet undersøgt, og flere lande, deriblandt Grækenland, har givet deres mening til kende.
Mr Charalambopoulos. — (GR) I will not go into the substance of your question because you know full well that the party to which you belong held power in Greece for more than 40 years and that it implemented this policy.
Det ønskelige og til en vis grad opnåelige er, at hvor der er tale om et sammenfald af synspunkter, udgør dette De Ti's fælles standpunkt.
And I consider it odd to say the least that you should have asked this question and have called on the present government to change its policy.
Derfor er der ikke noget fælles standpunkt hvis bare et land er uenigt om et konkret emne inden for internationale problemer, som har direkte forbindelse med udenrigspolitikken. politikken.
Its policy is that which is being implei lented at this time and which will continue to be implemented for so long as the Greek Government judges it to be the one that serves the country's more general interests.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 6 af Rogalla (H-227/ 83): O
Mr Israël (DEP). — (FR) Mr Minister, the Greek government attended the conference on Palestine in Geneva, unlike the other countries of the European Community.
Kan Rådet oplyse, hvor langt man er nået i forhandlingerne om Kommissionens forslag om lettelse af kontrollen ved de indre grænser, og herunder navnlig oplyse, hvad stridspunkterne har drejet sig om, hvilke nationale delegationer, der har givet udtryk for hvilke betænkeligheder, og hvilke procedurer der er blevet fulgt eller vil blive fulgt (forhandlingsniveau, ekspertgruppe, COREPER, Rådet osv.) og hvornår kan forhandlingerne påregnes afsluttet?
Mr Galland (L). — (FR) Since Greece was able to join the Community because it had returned to a democratic régime and since, as a result, you have benefited from this, as your presence on this bench so clearly symbolizes, don't you think that a minimum of convergence among the Ten should be reflected by the official recognition of all the democratic countries of the world ?
For at være konkret har der, som det ærede medlem vil vide, været en del drøftelser i de sidste par år for at få udformet en endelig tekst til den europæiske erklæring, hvori der blandt andet også behandles spørgsmål vedrørende beslutningstagningen.
Mr Charalambopoulos. — (GR) As I said before, and I think I made myself clear, I would request the honourable Members — as I did in July when there was a question on the Stuttgart declaration — to ask the President of Parliament for a copy of this text.
Det er ganske rigtigt en kendsgerning, at visse lande har holdt fast ved vetoretten, og jeg vil gerne oplyse det ærede medlem om, at også Grækenland har holdt fast ved denne ret.
Mr Alavanos (COM). — (GR) First of all I would like to express surprise at the indirect exhortation by the Greek Member of the European People's Party, Mr Gontikas, for Greece to grant diplomatic recognition to Israel which is at variance, so far as I can gather, with the policy pursued by previous governments and with the policy of the New Democracy Party.
Hvad angår Grækenland, er der i slut ningen af teksten en vigtig bemærkning i form af et forbehold, som jeg tidligere har henvist til, ifølge hvilket Grækenland ikke på nogen måde er forpligtet af den endelige højtidelige erklæring fra Stuttgart, når det gælder udøvelsen af dets udenrigspolitik.
And I would like to ask you if Question Time is for pressurizing and questioning the Greek Goverment or for putting questions to the Council which is spoken for here today by the Presidency which is coincidentally held by Greece.
Et andet punkt vedrører beslutningstagningen.
Also, when is this comedy of pressurizing the government of my country likely to end.
Disse to punkter, som vedrører Grækenland, er placeret sidst i teksten og efterfølges af premierministrenes og uden rigsministrenes underskrifter.
Consequently even if a member country holds the office of the Presidency it is free to exercise its own foreign policy in a sovereign manner.
Dette betyder i det mindste for Grækenlands vedkommende — for ikke at nævne de 34 andere lande, som har indtaget forskellige standpunkter til dette spørgsmål — at med premierministrenes og udenrigsministrenes under skrifter i slutningen af teksten realiseres og accepteres af de underskrivende den særlige bemærkning, Grækenland ønskede udtrykt, netop som den blev udtrykt i den højtidelige erklæring fra Stuttgart.
Adhering to the principles of European political cooperation my country took part in the confer ence on Palestine because it deemed this to be in the more particular general interests of Greece, and you will be aware, Mr Israel, that even before we came into government, my country was pursuing the policy towards the Arab, world and particularly on the Palestinian question to which it continues to give cogent application.
(') Tidligere skrifdig forespørgsel nr. 600/83 ændret til spørgsmål til spørgetiden.
Mr Charalambopoulos. — (GR) All the honourable Members who are completing their third year in this House have the necessary experience to know how things stand in these matters.
Charalambopoulos forenkling af de kontrolprocedurer, som anvendes, når medlemsstaternes borgere passerer Fællesskabets indre grænser.
Charalambopoulos a Member State should possess the sovereign right to revise their opinions and to seek a sensible solution, which would be for you to apply the acquis communautaire fully and to fall into line with the other Member States instead of being the odd man out all the time ?
Charalambopoulos. — (GR) Det er, som De sagde, netop omfattet af tavshedspligt.
Mr Charalambopoulos. — (GR) It surprises me that the Member, who has long experience of these matters, should ask this question.
Da man afventede Det europæiske Råds udtalelse, som blev givet den 9. juni 1983, foretog gruppen kun en indledende udveksling af synspunkter om dette forslag.
Now, of course, honourable Members have the right to put supplementaries and, as I said last time, I have no difficulty in immediately answering each one of these questions separately.
En behandling af emnet vil ske på arbejdsgruppens følgende møder, og det er derfor umuligt i dag at fastsætte en dato for, hvornår arbejdet inden for Rådet kan afsluttes.
Because I am in a position to say — and you will forgive me for this — that due to the fact that I myself have served in this House — albeit for a short time — as leader of my country's Socialist Group I am conversant enough with the procedures to be able to reply on both questions of procedure and issues of substance.
Hammerich (CDI). — Først vil jeg gerne sige tak til rådsformanden, fordi han svarer så klart på spørgsmålene.
Each country has the inalienable right to decide on its own foreign policy.
Det er jo ikke altid, at vi oplever det, og det er meget rart.
The Community has no remit in this respect.
Tak for det! Så vil jeg spørge, om De i forbindelse med grænserne har optaget forhandlinger med de nordiske lande Norge, Sverige og Finland?
The matter comes within the context of political cooperation and, as I said at the beginning, political cooperation means alignment where possible of the viewpoints of the different Member States.
Det er nemlig sådan, at vi har en nordisk pasunion, og at Danmark på vegne af Norge, Sverige og Finland udøver personkontrollen f.eks. ved den tyske grænse.
And, naturally, one can say that it is desirable for this unity of position to exist on many issues.
Det har vi ikke gjort siden 1927 med undtagelse at de 5 år under krigen.
Nor does it mean that pressure can be applied against any particular country.
Jeg vil spørge : Har De optaget forhandlinger med de nordiske lande i denne forbindelse?
This is unacceptable and, speaking now as the Greek Foreign Minister, it is unacceptable to my country which will never bow to orders, pressures and black mail.
Det bør De i hvert fald gøre meget hurtigt.
(Applause from the Left)
Rogalla (S). — (DE) Jeg kan ikke forstå, hvorfor der skal være tavshedspligt i spørgsmål, som i høj grad berører befolkningerne i Fællesskabet.
Mr Sutra (S). — (FR) Point of order, Mr President.
Charalambopoulos. — (GR) Jeg kan på dette tids punkt give det svar, at de problemer, De var inde på, vil blive behandlet i fællesskab af De Ti, og som jeg sagde før, tror jeg, at procedurerne vil blive frem skyndet, da det er et spørgsmål, som vedrører alle ti lande.
Everyone is aware of Mr Charalambopoulos's courage — there can be no question of my helping anyone in this House — but Question Time being misused and changed into an attack on the policy of one country is something I profoundly regret and I think the President of the session should not have allowed this to happen.
van Minnen (S). — (NL) Finder Rådet det egentlig ikke beklageligt, at afskaffelsen af kontrollen ved Fællesskabets indre grænser fem år efter, at den ved de første direkte europæske valg var stillet i udsigt, nu synes mindre sandsynlig end nogen sind før, og at kontrollen med persontrafikken endog skærpes?
Mr Plaskovitis (S). — (GR) After what has been said I too would like to put a supplementary and to ask whether it is absolutely certain, as I think it is, that neither the Treaty of Rome nor any other provision or binding process of European Community law imposes any form of obligation on the member countries and the development of their diplomatic relations.
Og må jeg af det rådsformanden netop svarede, udlede, at det, som han kaldte tavshedspligt, i virkeligheden ikke beror på politiske, men på tekniske vanskelig heder, dvs. vanskeligheder med myndigheder?
And I would also like to question whether the House is aware that this has been acknowledged by the other side as well, by Mr Penders when he presented a report on this whole matter a few months ago.
Charalambopoulos. — (GR) Jeg har ingen indvendinger mod at svare det ærede medlem, idet jeg dog tager et vist forbehold, da jeg under alle omstændigheder må have flere oplysninger, før jeg kan give et konkret og tilfredsstillende svar på spørgsmålet. Jeg vil imidlertid gøre det ærede medlem, som har stillet spørgsmålet, samt de øvrige medlemmer opmærksomme på, at der eksisterer visse problemer, som vanskeliggør sagen.
At that time the view was expressed in this Parliament that the Treaties merely express a wish but impose no obligation on my country — or on any other country — as regards the level of diplomatic recognition which other members of the Community would like to see it grant to certain other countries.
Charalambopoulos. —- (GR) Mit svar til det ærede medlem er, at sagen befinder sig der, hvor den oprindeligt befandt sig.
Mr Gontikas (PPE). — (GR) With all due respect, Mr President, I wish to register a protest with you for allowing the President-in-Office to speak in this Chamber as a Greek Minister.
Det vil sige, at der er visse vanskeligheder, som man forsøger at overvinde. Dette betyder ikke, at sagen er udsat på ubestemt tid.
Here we put questions to him in his capacity as President-in-office of the Council and we expect fitting replies.
Simpson (ED). — (EN) På topmødet i København i december sidste år forpligtede man regeringerne i Fællesskabet til snarligt at ophæve kontrollen.
I protest also because you allowed me to be exposed to an attack by Communist colleagues, and I do not think I have given anyone the right to attack me on a personal basis.
Vi har hørt nok her til eftermiddag om græske forbehold over for noget, som ellers er almindelig fællesskabspolitik. litik.
I expect the Bureau to see to it that in future the Council's replies deal with the Community and not with one country.
Ønsker også Grækenland at ophæve denne kontrol?
Mr Charalambopoulos. — (GR) I think that this matter has run its course.
Hvilke målsætninger har den græske regering i den periode, hvor den har formandskabet i Ministerrådet?
To my knowledge the issue at the heart of the question has been raised in both the recent and more distant past.
Eller er også dette omgærdet af tavshedspligt?
It is precisely for this reason that earlier presidents have given the same reply.
Ewing (DEP). — (EN) Går rådsformanden ind for et europæisk pas, eller gør han det ikke?
Mr Blumenfeld (PPE). — (DE) Don't you think, Mr President, that both a president of the Council of Ministers and a distinguished government minister of
Charalambopoulos. — (GR) Det er noget, der som sagt vil blive drøftet i Ministerrådet.
Mr Charalambopoulos, President-in-Office of the Council of Ministers. — (GR) As regards Mr Bonde's question I offer the following answer-cum-statement.
Jeg. kan ikke påtvinge de andre udenrigsministre mit personlige standpunkt.
The attention of the honourable gentleman is referred to the Council's answers to Question No H-795/82 put by Mr Lomas in April 1982 and Question No H-411/82 put by Mr Skovmand in November 1982.
Det er noget, som skal behandles i Rådet, og man vil tilstræbe et fælles standpunkt.
In these answers, as everyone knows, it was made clear that the Council takes no position on statements made outside the Council framework.
kommet frem til nogle synspunkter med hensyn til stemmeret til alle de borgere, som befinder sig uden for deres land.
President. — Ladies and gentlemen, the record of the Minutes reproduces faithfully the statements which have been made.
Spørgsmål nr. 7 af Papaefstratiou serne.
Mr Charalambopoulos, President-in-Office of the Council of Ministers. — (GR) The matter to which Mr Moreland's question refers was on the agenda at the meeting of the Council of Transport Ministers on 7 June this year.
Nu hvor tiden nærmer sig for valgene til Europa-Parlamentet i 1984, og i betragtning af princippet om fri bevægelighed for Fællesskabets borgere i medlemsstaterne, hvilke foranstaltninger agter Rådet de at træffe for at gøre det muligt for de borgerne, der er bosiddende i en fremmed medlemsstat, at udøve valgretten?
Charalambopoulos have been or remain to be completed (at negotiating, expert, Coreper, Council level, etc.) and when will the negotiations as a whole be completed ?
Er Rådet klar over, at en forsinkelse i afgørelserne på dette område er en væsentlig hindring for ethvert frem skridt med hensyn til princippet om fri bevæge lighed, som er fastlagt i traktaterne?
be recorded, and which has been recorded, in the text of the Stuttgart declaration, is now duly part of it and has been accepted by the signatories.
Vi må tage i betragtning, at udøvelsen af denne ret er påkrævet, for som vi ser i mange af Fællesskabets lande, udvikler der sig en holdning hos den lokale befolkning imod indvandrerne, noget som er meget farligt og negativt, og som faktisk kræver, at valgretten også udøves af disse.
Mr Adamou (COM). ■— (GR) I would like to ask the President­in­Office if the Stuttgart declaration in any way diminishes the independence and the freedom of action of the member countries of the Community.
Charalambopoulos, formand for Rådet. — (GR) Rådet har behandlet hr. Papaefstratious spørgsmål med stor opmærksomhed.
Mr Charalambopoulos, President­in­Office of the Council of Ministers. — (GR) To this quesion by Mr Rogalla the Council could in fact reply as follows, and moreover it has given such an answer in writing.
Efter at have undersøgt problemet, som det ærede medlem henviser til, vedtog Rådet en erklæring, som blev bekendtgjort i Europa-Parlamentet den 7. juni.
On 10 March and 30 May of this year a working party met to deliberate on the Council's proposal for a decision on the simplification of checks on citizens of the Member States at internal frontiers.
Denne erklæring indeholdt blandt andet følgende: Rådet fastslår, at medlemsstaternes lovgivninger giver et stort flertal af de borgere, som lever i Fællesskabet uden at være bosiddende i deres oprindelsesland, ret til at deltage i de kommende valg.
Awaiting the opinion of the European Council, which was given on 9 June, the working party confined itself to a preliminary exchange of views about this prop­osal. Scrutiny of the substance of the proposal will take place at meetings to be held later and thus it is impossible today to predict when things will be completed at Council level.
Medlemsstaterne arbejder sammen om at gøre det lettere at udøve valgretten.
Mr Charalambopoulos. — (GR) I have no difficulty in answering Mr Adamou.
Af hensyn til opbygningen af Europa beder Rådet medlemsstaterne om at arbejde for, at så vidt muligt alle medlemsstaternes borgere får ret til at deltage i valget af Europa-Parlamentets medlemmer, enten i deres oprindelsesland eller i deres opholdsland.
I think that the question of independence and freedom of action is directly tied up with the exercise of foreign policy, and as far as Greece is concerned, at least, the country is in no way bound in the exercise of its foreign policy, as I said before. So there is no binding commitment of any sort.
Papaefstratiou (PPE). — (GR) Jeg har hørt det interessante svar, som min landsmand, formanden for Ministerrådet kom med, men jeg må indrømme, at jeg ikke blev klogere, og jeg er bange for, at det samme gælder mine øvrige kolleger i denne sal.
Mr Seligman (ED). — Does the President­in­Office of the Council not agree that the main progress that has been made in the Community in the last few years has been speaking with one voice on foreign policy, and that if we are going to go back on this we are going to cause steady deterioration in the achieve­ment of the Community ?
Charalambopoulos. — (GR) Jeg er ikke rede til at svare på de sidste bemærkninger fra min landsmand, hr. Alavanos. Men jeg kan forsikre alle de ærede medlemmer om, at det græske formandskab som sagt for en måned siden tog dette initiativ, og initiativet rummer alle de aktiviteter, som, hvis de andre accepterer det, vil kunne føre til en bedre og retfærdig løsning på spørgsmålet, idet valgretten er en af de vigtigste rettigheder, som medlemsstaternes borgere har.
Mr Rogalla (S). — (DE) I cannot imagine how a question of such importance to the Community's inhabitants can involve any professional secrecy.
Det er en hellig ret at kunne stemme og med sin stemme udpege, hvilke repræsentanter, man mener er i stand til at repræsentere landet i Europa-Parlamentet, og dette anses, i hvert fald af det græske formandskab, for at være særdeles vigtigt, og med dette som udgangspunkt vil det græske formandskab iværksætte alle bestræbelser oven i det initiativ, det har taget, for at få et gunstigt og positivt resultat af initiativet.
Can the President­in­Office assure me that the latter will be given priority ? I would be glad to know that the President­in­Office will be guiding the negotiations in this direction and would be grateful if he could confirm this.