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Disse foreslåede nye våben er en meget alvorlig, ny trussel mod menneskehedens fremtidige vel, og jeg vil gerne vide, om de er indgået i ministrenes drøftelser. ser.
If the matter is in fact still urgent, I would like to ask the Council President when he intends to exert pressure on the Council to reach a decision.
Formanden. — Vi takker Dem for Deres beredvillighed, hr. rådsformand.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I will undertake to look into this question and give an answer in writing.
Men da der er mangfoldige spørgsmål, ville en time ekstra i dag ikke løse det grundlæggende problem, der som sagt drøftes af Par lamentets udvalg for forretningsordenen, som bør træffe afgørelse i sagen.
President. — On behalf of the House, I thank the President-in-Office for placing himself at our disposal. Nevertheless, since there are a large number of questions left, devoting an extra hour to them today would not resolve the fundamental problem.
Jeg foreslår derfor, at vi som allerede bebudet fort sætter med spørgsmålene til udenrigsministrene.
I therefore propose, as already announced, that we proceed to the questions addressed to the Ministers of Foreign Affairs.
Spørgsmål nr. 39 af Hutton (H-4/85):
Question No 39, by Mr Hutton (H-4/85):
Om : Nedrustning af kemiske våben
Subject: Chemical weapon disarmament
Andreotti. — (IT) Mit svar er bekræftende.
Mr Tomlinson (S). — Mr President, on a point of order, in Question Time today we have discussed a total of seven questions.
Problemet indgår således i vore overvejelser, og vi deler den ærede spørgers bekymring.
We have had one new question tabled today and that, we are told, we cannot have an answer to because it is to be given in writing.
I hvilket omfang har De Ti's udenrigsministre indtaget en fælles politisk holdning til forslagene fra Det forenede Kongerige og USA om nedrustning af kemiske våben som led i nedrustningskonferencen, når man tager i betragtning, at Det forenede Kongerige standsede produktionen af kemiske våben i 1956, at USA standsede produktionen af kemiske våben i 1969 og kun har et mindre og forældet lager tilbage, at NATO ingen lagre har, og at Sovjetunionen har meget store lagre, der anslås til mindst 300 000 tons nervegas?
To what extent have the Foreign Ministers of the Ten taken a common political position on the pro posals from the United Kingdom and the United States on chemical-weapon disarmament within the Conference on Disarmament, bearing in mind that the United Kingdom stopped producing chemical weapons in 1956, that the United States stopped producing chemical weapons in 1969 and holds only a small and ageing stock, that NATO holds no stocks and that the Soviet Union holds very large stocks estimated at a minimum of 300 000 tonnes of nerve gas?
Jeg vil gerne bede rådsformanden om nærmere at afgrænse, hvad den nye definition af sikkerhedspolitik, som man diskuterede på mødet i weekenden i Stresa, indebærer.
President. — Mr Tomlinson, the matter is being examined in the Committee on the Rules of Procedure.
Kan rådsformanden give nogle eksempler på spørgsmål, som ikke falder inden for det europæiske politiske samarbejde i disse emnekredse?
As regards the distribution of time in relation to the questions, it was decided earlier today that at 7.45 p.m. we should proceed to the questions addressed to the Min isters of Foreign Affairs.
Andreotti, formand for udenrigsministrene. — (IT) Ved flere lejligheder har vi tilkendegivet vor positive holdning til et forbud mod kemiske våben og vort ønske om at fremskynde de igangværende forhandlinger.
Mr Andreotti, President-in-Office of the Council of Foreign Ministers. — (IT) We have on a number of occasions expressed our approval for the banning of chemical weapons, and our readiness to speed up the negotiations that are taking place.
Vi finder, at dette er blevet endnu mere påtrængende som følge af påstandene om brug af kemiske våben under den igangværende konflikt mellem Iran og Irak, der viser, at problemet langtfra er rent teoretisk, men først og fremmest er et praktisk problem.
We consider that this has become even more urgent following the use of chemical weapons in the conflict that is going on between Iraq and Iran, which shows that the problem, far from being a purely theoretical one, is also, and above all, a practical problem.
Jeg kan tilføje, at der under vores drøftelser om sagen aldrig har været uenighed.
I may add that, in all of our discussions on the subject, there has never been any disagreement.
Der er en fast beslutning om på den mest effektive måde at bidrage til afslutning af en traktat om fuldstændigt forbud mod ke miske våben.
It is our firm intention to contribute as effectively as possible to the conclusion of a treaty for a total ban on chemical weapons.
Andreotti. — (IT) Det drejer sig om to forskellige temaer: det ene er det generelle spørgsmål om om fanget af Fællesskabets magtbeføjelser, for så vidt angår sikkerhed.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I should like to be quite clear about this last remark because, if I am asked whether
Hvilke initiativer har udenrigsministrene truffet eller vil de træffe for i forlængelse af de beslutninger, Europa-Parlamentet har vedtaget, at fremskynde eftersøgningen om domfældelsen over en række naziforbrydere, der stadig befinder sig på fri fod, navnlig J. Mengele og Alois Brunner, for a sætte en stopper for den strafferihed de ganske uberettiget har nydt?
Mr Hutton (ED). — In view of the willingness of the Foreign Ministers meeting in political cooperation to see the speeding up of negotiations, could the President-in-Office say whether they have considered taking any joint steps on behalf of the Foreign Ministers of the Ten, rather than only supporting those taken by the United Kingdom and the United States?
Ford (S). — (EN) Jeg vil gerne følge hr. Chambeirons tillægsspørgsmål op og spørge, hvilke forsøg der har været gjort for at få materiale fra regeringer inden for Fællesskabet, som virkelig kunne bidrage til at lokalisere disse individer, især Mengele.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) There are two separate questions: one is the general question of the extent of the Community's competence where security is concerned.
For nylig udtalte fru Thatcher, at der fandtes materiale om Mengele og Klaus Barbie — selv om han jo er blevet fanget nu — som ikke er blevet frigivet, og som tydeligvis kan give nogle fingerpeg om, hvor disse folk skjuler sig.
Moreover, in the Committee on Political Affairs of the European Parliament, questions have often been raised regarding security problems.
Jeg vil også gerne vide, hvilke forestillinger der konkret er gjort over for general Stroessner vedrørende den skandaløse behandling af Beate Klarsfeld for nylig i Paraguay, hvor hun prøvede at finde Mengele.
According to established practice, therefore, the political aspects of security problems — not their technical and military aspects — are matters of common concern, and, as such, are the subject of political consultation amongst us.
Andreotti. — (IT) Jeg tror, at den bedste fremgangsmåde er at overgive alle data til Interpol, som hvert af vore lande måtte komme i besiddelse af, således at de kompetente myndigheder effektivt kan udføre de res pligtmæssige forskningsarbejde og videregive sa gerne til de kompetente domstole.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) So far we have not discussed any independent proposal on the part of the Ten, but we have shown our firm determination, and full agree ment, in supporting proposals designed to achieve as quickly as possible a total ban on chemical weapons.
Andreotti, formand for udenrigsministrene. — (IT) Det konkrete problem, som spørgsmålet drejer sig om, har vi ikke haft lejlighed til at drøfte i det politiske samarbejde.
President. — Question No 40, by Mr Chambeiron (H-7/85):
Jeg må dog sige, at problemet har en sådan politisk og moralsk betydning, at jeg ikke tror, nogle af vore lande føler sig fritaget for pligten til at samarbejde.
Mr Elliott (S). — With regard to this desperately important matter of chemical weapon disarmament, have the Foreign Ministers studied, not only the small and aging stocks to which the question refers, but also the serious consideration being given in governmental and military circles in the United States, Britain and possibly other NATO countries to the development of socalled binary chemical-weapon systems, in which you have two chemicals, each of them innocuous in itself when separated but capable of being combined to form a lethal chemical weapon at the point of use?
Det drejer sig jo om kriminelle, for hvem der ingen forældelsesfrist eksisterer, og hvor ingen kan forhindre, at man søger af straffe de an svarlige for disse kriminelle handlinger.
These proposed new weapons open up a very serious new threat to the well-being of humanity, and I would like to know whether these have been included in the discussions of the Foreign Ministers.
Chambeiron (COM). — (FR) Hr. rådsformand, jeg tvivler ikke på udenrigsministrenes gode vilje, men det, jeg gerne ville høre, er noget andet end erklæringer om god vilje, for dette spørgsmål er ikke nogen overraskelse for Dem. Det er et spørgsmål, som alle rede var på dagsordenen for en måned siden, og som måtte udsættes.
What steps have the Foreign Ministers taken or do they intend to take, in the spirit of the resolution adopted by the European Parliament, to speed up the process of finding and convicting certain Nazi war criminals who are still at large, in particular J. Mengele and Alois Brunner, in order to ensure that their crimes do not continue to go unpunished? ished?
Ducarme (L). — (FR) Jeg forstår udmærket, at råds formanden svarer på denne måde, og jeg tilslutter mig hr. Chambeiron, der mener, at vi bør forsøge at få et svar i denne sammenhæng.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) My answer to that is that they have.
Men udover spørgsmålet, der helt specifikt vedrører Mengele- el ler Brunner-sagen, vil jeg helt præcist efter Rådets formands sidste indlæg, hvor han sagde, at »den bedste fremgangsmåde er at overgive alle data til Interpol«, spørge, om han ikke synes, at det vil være opportunt at sørge for, at dette punkt kommer på Rådets dagsorden, og det tror jeg er kernen i dette spørgsmål.
When we had to examine together the undertak ings not to supply arms to countries at war — precisely for the fear that chemical weapons would be used — we very definitely included the supply of chemicals that may be considered innocuous in themselves but which can be combined in some form or other to become chemical weapons.
Jeg vil gerne spørge Dem, hvori egentlig de skridt består, som udenrigsministrene agter at tage for at opspore visse naziforbrydere, som man udmærket godt ved hvor er?
Mr Andreotti, President-in-Office of the Council of Foreign Ministers. — (IT) We have not had occasion, meeting in political cooperation, to discuss specifically the points to which the questioner refers.
Det gælder om at finde midler til enten at få dem udleveret eller også få dem straffet på stedet, for Europa-Parlamentet har været ganske klar i denne sag.
I must however say that the problem is so important politically and morally that I think none of our countries considers itself exempt from the duty to collaborate.
Det har ved flere lejligheder udtrykt sin forargelse over den straffefrihed, som visse krigsforbrydere, hvis opholdssted man udmærket godt ken der, nyder.
They are in fact crimes for which there is no deadline within which the perpetrators must be brought to jus tice, and nothing must be done to prevent those res ponsible from being justly punished.
Hr. rådsformand, jeg vil gerne give Dem tid til — går jeg ud fra — at forberede et skriftligt svar, og jeg vil straks sige, at hvis det ikke bliver Dem, bliver det Deres efterfølger, men jeg ville alligevel gerne have et mere præcist svar vedrørende de skridt, som ministrene agter at tage i denne sag.
Mr Bonde (ARC). — (DA) I understand from the answer of the President-in-Office that matters such as arms reduction, arms control and confidence-building measures are now subjects which can be discussed within the framework of European political cooperation. tion.
Andreotti. — (IT) Jeg kan uden videre svare ja, og jeg skal sørge for, at punktet bliver sat på dagsordenen for det næste møde om det politiske samarbejde.
Mr Chambeiron (COM). — (FR) Mr President-in-Office, I have no doubt of the goodwill of the Foreign Ministers meeting in political cooperation, but I would like to hear something other than declarations of good intentions because this question has not come to you as a surprise.
Om : Krænkelse af menneskerettighederne i Pakistan
It was already on the agenda a month ago and was carried over.
I og med at Fællesskabet for nylig har indgået en samarbejdsaftale med Pakistan, må Rådet vel være klar over, at der sker en systematisk krænkelse af FNs charter om menneskerettighe der i dette land.
I should like to ask the President-in-Office to specify in more detail what is covered by the new definition of security policy which was discussed at the meeting in Stresa last weekend.
Amnesty International har taget er særligt og påtrængende tilfælde op, nemlig Raza Kazim, en civil advokat, der lider af dårligt helbred, og som har været holdt incommunicado i et militærfængsel i et år, uden at der er rejst anklage mod ham.
Where does the dividing line lie which separates off the military aspects, and what are the practical implications of the progression from the earlier definition of the political and economic aspects of security policy to the broader application of the security concept?
Der hævdes også at være tale om tortur og dårlig behandling.
Can the President-in-Office give a
Andreotti. — (IT) Det at sige, at man »udmærket godt kender« deres opholdssted, er ikke særlig præcist udtrykt, thi om Mengele kan man i aviserne læse, at man ikke engang ved, om har er død eller ej.
What I should like to ask you is this: what steps do the Foreign Ministers really intend to take in order to pick up the trace of certain Nazis whose whereabouts are perfectly well known; will they be obtaining the
Andreotti, formand for udenrigsministrene. — (IT) Det drejer sig om et meget kompliceret problem.
Is the President-in-Office of the Council prepared to ask his colleagues to agree to this subject being included as a specific item on the Council's agenda, so that it can be discussed by the Council of Ministers?
Andreotti, formand for udenrigsministrene. — (IT) Ifølge de seneste oplysninger er advokat Raza Kazim, der i øjeblikket er stillet for en militær domstol for sammensværgelsesforsøg mod regeringen, for nylig blevet indlagt på hospitalet Mayo i Lahore til be handling for en hjertesygdom.
If you are able to tell us that you will be adopting this course, Mr President, I believe that Parliament can look forward to appropriate action on the resolutions that it has passed.
De Ti følger med stor opmærksomhed spørgsmålet om menneskerettighederne i Pakistan og har for nylig af humanitære grunde, grebet ind og hos myndighederne i Islamabad anmodet om mildere straffeforanstaltninger. staltninger.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I can unquestionably answer in the affirmative, and I will have this subject placed on the agenda for the first meeting in political co-operation. tion.
Elliott (S). - (EN) Jeg forstår det svar, jeg har fået, og det var ikke uventet.
President. — Question No 41, by Mrs Tongue (H17/85):
Det jeg imidlertid vil bede rådsformanden om at koncentrere sig om, er ikke spørgsmålet om en detaljeret kontrol.
Subject: Violation of human rights in Pakistan
Jeg antyder ikke og spørgsmålet indebærer ikke, at der skal være nogen form for administrativ kontrol med politiet på fællesskabsniveau.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) Saying, with regard to the whereabouts of these criminals, that they are 'perfectly well known' is perhaps not very accurate, since, according to the press, where Mengele is concerned, it is not even known if he is really dead or not.
Jeg er imod en national politistyrke i Storbritannien ; jeg kan næppe ønske mig en politistyrke eller et organ til håndhævelse af loven på fællesskabsniveau.
How ever, if I have to answer the question whether our governments are available to collaborate, through their police organizations and so forth, and assist in the process of finding and duly punishing Nazi war criminals, then in my view the answer is 'Yes' and, there fore, everything that can be done in this direction certainly will be done.
Kernen i spørgsmålet drejer sig om menneskerettigheder og nødvendigheden af at sikre, at alle statslige organer, som har med lovens håndhævelse at gøre, er offentligt ansvarlige over for demokratisk valgte organer.
Given that the Community has recently signed a cooperation agreement with Pakistan, the Council must surely be aware that a systematic and wide spread violation of the United Nations Charter on Human Rights is taking place in that country.
Vi har lige for nylig i Det for enede Kongerige haft en sag om noget, der ligner en ekstrem overreaktion fra politiets side i en bestemt situation.
A specific and urgent case raised by Amnesty Inter national is that of Raza Kazim, a civilian lawyer, suffering from ill health, who has been held incommunicado, in a military prison without charge, for one year.
Der har været andre tilfælde.
There were also allegations of torture and ill treatment.
Det er en situation, der ikke altid indtræder, og det ville jeg ønske skete.
Mr Kazim is now undergoing trial by secret military court, without legal representation.
Aftalen med Pakistan er endnu ikke ratificeret og har endnu ikke været forelagt i Europa-Parlamentet. Jeg vil gerne have Deres forsikring om, at De, før sagen går videre, vil gøre direkte forestillinger over for den pakistanske regering om at opretholde alle de frihedsrettigheder, som enhver borger i civiliserede lande nyder.
Mr Ford (S). — I would like to follow up Mr Chambeiron's supplementary question and ask what attempts have been made to obtain material from governments within the Community that might actually facilitate the location of these individuals, particularly Mengele.
Jeg vil gerne henlede Deres opmærksomhed på Parlamentets beslutning af 13. april 1984, som opfordrede til »oprettelse af en høringsstruktur til fremme af overholdelse af internationale anerkendte normer i forbindelse med menneskerettighederne i Det europæiske Fællesskab og i de lande, med hvilke det har nære for bindelser«.
There was a recent statement from Mrs Thatcher that there was material available on Mengele and on Klaus Barbie — although he has obviously been caught now — that had not been released and which obviously might give some idea as to where these people are hiding.
Hvilke skridt har Rådet taget for at følge denne beslutnings henstilling?
What representations have been made specifically to General Stroessner about the outrageous treatment of Beate Klarsfeld in Paraguay recently when she was trying to find Mengele?
Andreotti. — (IT) Idet jeg gentager det, jeg før sagde, nemlig at De Ti i forening har besluttet af følge problemet med menneskerettighederne i Pakistan, kan jeg forsikre, at hvad angår det konkrete spørgsmål om yderligere skridt, vil jeg se nærmere på det, så meget mere som den pakistanske udenrigsminister har været krigsfange i Italien og vi derfor kan have en ganske særlig relation til ham.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I think that the best way will be to give Interpol all the information that may come into the possession of each of our countries, so that the competent bodies can make effective use of it in the course of their duty, to find those responsible and hand them over to the competent courts.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 42 af Elliott (H31/85):
In the absence of a satisfactory response, and since this is not an isolated case, would the Ministers consider a suspension of the agreement?
Andreotti. — (IT) Hr. Elliott, i princippet må det ikke være tvivl om, at der ikke må findes nogen offentligt ansat, i politiet eller ej, som loven ikke gælder for, og som ikke står til ansvar for de handlinger, han ud fører i tjenesten, hvis han udfører dem i uoverensstemmelse med menneskerettighederne og de borger lige frihedsrettigheder.
Mr Andreotti, President-in-Office of the Council of Foreign Ministers. — (IT) According to the most recent information Mr Raza Kazim, the lawyer who is at present undergoing trial by a military court for attempted conspiracy against the government, has recently been admitted to the Mayo hospital in Lahore for treatment in connection with a heart illness.
Vil udenrigsministrene med henblik på at fremme det såvel i De forenede Nationers menneskerettighedserklæring som i den europæiske menneskerettighedskonvention indeholdte princip om borgernes frihed være indstillet på at opfordre alle lande og navnlig regeringerne i Fællesskabets medlemsstater til at sikre, at deres politi og andre organer beskæftiget med lovens hånd hævelse gøres fuldt ud offentligt ansvarlige for deres handlinger over for de samfund, de tjener, og at de stilles under lokale og demokratisk valgte organers kontrol?
Mr Ducarme (L). — (FR) I fully appreciate why the President-in-Office has replied to us in this way but agree with Mr Chambeiron that we should try to obtain an answer in this context. However, looking beyond questions concerned specifically with the Mengele case or the Brunner case, and in the light of the last answer given by the President-in-Office, when he said that the information should be given to Inter pol, I should like to ask him the direct question whether he does not consider that it would be appro-
Balfe (S). — (EN) Rådsformanden er måske klar over, at vi under næste mødeperiode i juli, hvor han desværre ikke beklæder sin post længere, skal drøfte
The Ten are following with great attention the question of human rights in Pakistan, and recently, even,
Balfe væsentlige drejer sig om militære sikkerhedsforhold, ikke i de forhandlinger, der er genstand for det euro pæiske politiske samarbejde, og derfor er den ikke blevet diskuteret i dette organ.
Andreotti they intervened with the competent authorities in Islamabad with a plea for clemency on humanitarian grounds.
Jeg vil gerne bede ham om at bekræfte, at en integrerende del af menneskerettighederne i verden er anerkendelsen af sådanne rettigheder inden for Det euro pæiske Fællesskab, for hvis vi ikke tager os af men neskerettighederne og respekten for dem inden for vores europæiske Fællesskab, kan vi næppe begynde at prædike dem over resten af verden.
I would like to have the assurance of the President-in-Office that before it goes any further he will make direct representations to the Government of Pakistan to uphold all rights and liberties which citizens of any civilized country cherish.
Jeg håber, at udenrigsministeren anser dette for en holdning, han kan være enig i.
I would like to draw his attention to Parliament's resolution of 13 April 1984 which called for
Formanden. — Da spørgeren ikke er til stede, vil spørgsmål nr. 43 bliver besvaret skriftligt (1)
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) Whilst repeating what I have already said, to the effect that the Ten have agreed to monitor the problem of human rights in Pakistan, I can give an assurance that, so far as the specific request that has just been made for further steps is concerned, I will undertake to put that forward, the more so as the Pakistan Foreign Minister was a prisoner-of-war in Italy, and we might therefore have a special relationship with him.
Spørgsmål nr. 44 af Ford (H-110/85):
President. — Question No 42, by Mr Elliott (H-31/ 85):
Kan udenrigsministrene redegøre for deres vurdering af den fare for freden i Det fjerne Østen, som er opstået med Team Spirit 85, og er premierminister Nakasone, præsident Reagan og præsident Chun Doo Hwan blevet orienteret om dette?
But as far as the rest is concerned we have then to see what the individual systems are, because in some systems law enforcement agencies are responsible to democratically elected local authorities and in others this is not the case.