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Vil man turde beregne, hvor mange milliarder der egentlig er behov for til at hjælpe de afskedigede minearbejdere, arbejdstagerne i de truede afledede virksomheder, de selvstændige, der går konkurs, og de mange unge og kvinderne, der allerede nu er uden arbejde, til et passende arbejde?
Given the extensive availability of oil, it might well be asked whether we really need a coalmining industry in Europe which is relatively costly and whether, in these circumstances, the subsidies we recommended are still essential. The energy crises of 1973 and 1979 have faded into the distant past.
I hvert fald, hvis Europa fra 1995 alligevel skal betale højere priser for sine kul, er det da langt at foretrække, at pengene går til Europas egne miner, der således ville blive mindre tabsgivende.
Now while the British Government seems to have no hesitation in doing just that, I believe that this Parliament will be far too wise to follow the road previously trodden by the British Government.
I stedet for at de omsætter de multinationale olieselskabers strategi i klingende mønt.
If we fail, to act, what is the future?
Således anbefalede hr. Leysen, der er formand for de belgiske arbejdsgivere, for ikke så længe siden en moder Theresa, der skulle kunne støtte og vejlede de limburgske miner på deres bej mod en blid, men uundgåelig død.
In my opinion an increasing number of people in this Parliament would find that totally and utterly unacceptable, partly because of the obvious links between nuclear power and nuclear weapons, but also because of the cost and the safety risks involved.
Hr. De Gucht, hvor mange jobs kan De politisk stå inde for?
Research and Technology, at which this report was debated, a Tory Member said just that.
Deres politik nedbryder i dag minerne.
He said that we must compete and follow the lead set by the coalminers and the coalmining employers in South Africa.
Hvorfor ikke tekstilindustrien, skibsbygningsindustrien, metal- eller glasindustrien i morgen?
What that per son was saying was that we must follow that racist State which produces coal in slave conditions and pays wages below subsistence level.
Hvorfor ikke nedbryde den sociale sikkerhed, når det gælder rentabiliteten? Det vil jeg ikke være med til.
Now when that Tory made that statement, it made me understand more than ever what the British Government has been all about in the past 6 or 7 years.
Og så er der naturligvis stadig kerneenergien.
If we disregard the lessons of the 1973 and 1979 crises, we will have to pay the price again.
Når et land som Belgien står allerøverst på verdenslisten med 73 % af elektriciteten udvundet af kerneenergi, så er de belgiske kul vel dømt til at forsvinde?
The cost of a possible third international energy crisis would in all certainty be much higher than the cost of subsidies and grants for the European coalmining industry.
Kommissær Mosar indrømmer, at i 1985 blev 70% af betalingsbevillingerne til energiforskning slugt af kerne energien, og så var der knap 30% til hele resten: olie, gas, sol, vind og ... kul, en almisse!
Now the other part of the report which is important to me is the part where it says that compelling the industry to reduce production by cutting down financial aid would not lead to savings but to an increased financial burden on the national budget.
Vil alle europæiske have i år 2000 lide samme skæbne som Det irske Hav, helt igennem radioaktivt!
Once again I only wish that the British Government had listened to that advice.
Peters (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og her rer, det er godt, at Kommissionen er rede til med forslaget om statsstøtte at bevare kulminedriften i EF og sikre minearbejdernes arbejdspladser.
But our support of the coalmining industry does not mean that we wish to overlook or disregard the need for cost-effectiveness. On the contrary, any measures to promote coalmining must be judged in the light of the extent to which they promote an increase in prod uctivity.
Dette for slag fra Kommissionen går i den rigtige retning, men skal forbedres.
The rules for cost-effectiveness cannot be set aside simply by a parliamentary majority.
Så vidt mit syn på fremtiden for de europæiske kul, der stadig sidder inde med en hel del trumfer, hvis der er politisk vilje til faktisk at spille disse trumfer
In the report Mr Croux recognizes using his own country as an example — that there are hardly any alternative jobs available and as a result the job losses will be reflected in an almost unchecked increase in unemployment.
Endelig ønsker vi, at overgangsperioden forlænges indtil 1987, og at ord ningen skal gælde ikke i fire et halvt, men i ti år.
We must consider not only the interests of the coal producers but also legitimate consumer interests.
For det andet: stenkulsminedriften har tilstrækkelige forråd til de kommende årtier og dermed til også ud over år 2000 at garantere en sikker forsyning, dersom der skulle blive knaphed på olie og gas.
sure up to international competition, notwithstanding the fact that billions of ECU have been spent by national governments and the European Community over the past 40 years.
Ingo Friedrich (PPE). — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, man kan principielt gå ind for Kom missionens forslag om en ny fællesskabsordning, men som så ofte ligger det djævelske også her i detaljen.
If you believe in judging people and policies by performance result — and I do — you have to come to the conclusion that financial aids have been an unmitigated disaster in the coal industry- a total waste of taxpayers' money.
Knap 400 000 er direkte beskæftiget der og yderligere 400 000 i underleverandørvirksomheder.
In the medium term, there are good prospects for coal benefication in combined coal-fired and nuclear power stations, as proposed by mining union experts in West Germany.
Disse arbejdspladser er koncentreret i om råder, hvor der findes kul, og hvor der i forvejen er store tilpasningsproblemer.
One example of this is the thorium high-temperature reactor in my home town of Hamm.
Der er nu engang, hr. Peters, en ubestridelig modsætning mellem statsstøtte og den på lang sigt for alle borgere heldige gennemførelse af planen om social markedsøkonomi.
Further potential improvements lie in the use of the latest computerization and control techniques.
Der kan og må ikke på kulområdet udstedes et fribrev til Kommissionen vedrørende støtteordninger, der er i strid med markedsøkonomien. Så enkelt er det ikke, som vi alle ved.
The use of sensors and micro-processors is becoming more and more widespread in the coalmining industry.
Inden for kulsektoren er der ikke nogen ruinerende konkurrence, som det var tilfældet på stålmarkedet i 1980.
We therefore welcome and shall support this valuable report by our colleague Mr Croux.
Den kender ikke til konkurrencefordrejning og overskud, der ikke kan afsættes, men stadig øges, som det f.eks. er tildældet på det fælles landbrugsmarked.
The Commission wants to change the aid criteria, but it fails to tell us where it is going from here. But then, I suspect, it doesn't know.
Den udgør ikke nogen udgiftsbelastning for de lande, der ikke har kul, højst en udgiftsbelastning for de lande, som vil betale for sikring af arbejdspladser og yde støtte.
Indeed, we were told on the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy and the Committee on External Economic Relations that the Commission has no European plan for coal, as each coal producing coun try wants to go its own way.
En sådan støtte må i den sociale markedsøkonomi kun ydes under bestemte forudsætninger, hvis den ikke skal udhule hele systemets effektivitet. For me gen støtte ydet i for lang tid plyndrer statskassen og skader dermed alle skatteydere og alle borgere.
If that is the situation, then what the devil is the Commission doing, pouring huge sums of money into the European coal industry?
Dette er også europæiske temaer, og det gælder om at undgå dobbeltbetaling, hvis vi ikke på lang sigt vil reducere vor chance som europæere.
Without a plan, money will be wasted and the European ship of state will continue to drift rudderless.
Man bør heller ikke glemme, at kulminer er by gningsværker for århundreder, som man ikke uden videre kan montere og demontere, åbne og lukke igen.
I also fear that the rapporteur has been obliged to take on board so many social factors from well-meaning sociologists that the report is now simply an academic exercise.
Det varer 10 år, inden de første kul udvindes.
But we do not need and we do not want academic exercises.
Til gengæld består mineanlægget med sikkerhed i 100 år.
Academics do not lose their jobs if their assumptions turn out to be wrong.
Det kan ikke behandles så enkelt som et kraft værk, som man alt efter dollarkursen eller olieprisen kan åbne og lukke.
Managers in industry are not permitted that luxury.
Når en mine lukkes, er det definitivt. nitivt.
We need practical plans based on commercial realities.
Nu hørte vi for nogen tid siden om Kommissionens hensigter gående ud på at erstatte 15 % af de kul, der udvindes i EF, med importerede kul, hvilket ville udløse en ny stør bølge af minelukninger.
The management discipline which should determine management business plans should be the discipline of the market place, the customer — not the latest whim of the latest Minister of Energy or the size of State and European subsidies.
Men nu til EF-medlemsstaternes støtte på kulområdet og de kriterier, som vi desværre, men uundgåeligt for helhedens skyld skal overholde.
I cannot help but feel that as we all line up as politicians to spend taxpayers' money in support of the coal industry, we like to believe that we are looking after the interests of the miners.
Det drejer sig snarere om en indordning under en samlet sammenhæng og ikke blot om punktvis udtagen af et lille, på dette område sikkert vigtigt, men for helheden dog ikke altafgørende problem.
In focusing so much attention on the social problems which rightly concern us all have we not really overlooked the most important question of all which is what do we need to do to make the European coal industry internationally competitive?
Men vi vil ikke erstatte indenlandske kul med kul fra Sydafrika.
That is the basic problem to which we have not found the answer.
Man må ikke gøre kul til en kastebold, fordi man eventuelt foretrækker andre kul, som ud vindes billigere, for egne kul.
The social problems have arisen because the industry has failed to make itself competitive.
For det første støtte skal tidsbegrænses og må ikke udbetales i al evighed.
By simply concentrating on solving the social problems, we actually leave the basic problem unresolved.
For det andet: den skal naturligvis forbedre konkurrenceevnen på kulområdet, som er inde i en struktur krise, det har hr. Kilby ret i, den må ikke kunstigt holde liv i forældede strukturer.
When Community Socialist governments purchase coal from South Africa, Poland, the United States or Australia, is it because they would rather provide work for South Africa's black labour force?
Det har vi ikke råd til i længden.
No, of course not!
Nu drejer det sig om at forbedre kommissionsteksten. idet forsyningssikkerheden optages
Such market realities may be hard for Socialists such as Mr Smith in this Parliament to swallow; but this is precisely what happens in the real
Derfor skal de gå videren med rationaliseringerne inden for energiforbruget for at spare energi.
As you see, my words contain an element of doubt, I would even say, great doubt about the problem we are dealing with.
Jeg tror, de må være opfundet aftenen efter i hr. Smiths oprørte og drømmeplagede sind.
world, and they do the miners in the European Community no service whatsoever by telling them the con trary.
Wurtz (COM). — (FR) Hr. formand, Kommissionens forslag vedrørende en ny fællesskabsordning for stats støtte til kulindustrien indeholder to hovedtanker.
In my own country, Mr Scargill did the British miners no favour at all by telling them that he did not recognize the market and that, in his opinion, there was no such thing as an uneconomic pit.
For det fjerde: naturligvis kan også på kulområdet kortfristede foranstaltninger forsvares — det vil for mig sige tre, fire, fem, men ikke ti eller tyve år — med henblik på at afbøde de regionalt og socialt negative virkninger, som forårsages af tempoet i den af teknikken bestemte strukturændring.
There is a very elementary law in economics which says that prices of substitude products and competitive products tend to follow the trends of the basic prices to which they refer; and given the fall in price of oil of the past few weeks, I should think we could expect prices of competitive products and substitutes — and more than likely among these that of coal — to follow suit.
Men netop tidsbebrænset, hr. Peters, vi forstår jo ellers hinanden temmelig godt, blot ikke, når vi på plenarmødet er af forskellig opfattelse.
It is correct therefore to suppose that losses in this area will increase rather than decrease.
Den første er, at Fællesskabet efter Kommissionens opfattelse skal forøge kulimporten på bekostning af europæisk beskæftigelse og produktion.
I am well aware of the obvious need for security of supply which Mr Croux outlined so well.
Princippet om forsyningssikkerhed fastholdes altså ikke mere som en bydende nødvendighed.
However, I would say that under the present circumstances this security appears reasonably more protected from that which could not have been imagined, given the exist ing supply system and experience in recent years.
Med hensyn til reglen om fællesskabspræference er den definitivt lagt på hylden.
The slump in the coal market should make Community support and all of the national aids even more difficult and costly.
Jeg er også imod at lukke af over for omverdenen og hindre andre lande i at levere kul til os.
Europe has sufficient coal reserves to supply its own needs for the next 100 years, but we have to extract it commercially at world-market prices.
På den ene side siger vi, når vi eksporterer vore biler, kemiske produkter og andre varer til hele verden, at vi har brug for den frie verdenshandel til nytte for os selv.
In my own country, the government is investing massively in the modernization of pits which can be made internationally competitive.
Så kan vi da ikke på den anden side sige, at vi ikke vil have kul fra Sydafrika, når vi samtidig køber ret så vigtige råstoffer der.
Productivity in Britain in many pits has increased over the last 6 months by up to 50% as miners free themselves from the restrictive practices which foolish trade-union leaders have imposed on them in the past.
Her kan der ikke drages nogen enkel moralsk slutning, kære fru Ewing, når det drejer sig om erhvervslivets anvendelse af kul.
Is there really a better or more effective way of helping the coal industry in Europe than by making it internationally competitive?
Selv om energiforsyningen sikres gennem egne reserver, skal man huske, at der også skal ydes et bidrag til forbedring af miljøet.
Is the scheme which was advocated in line with treaties which govern or should govern our Community?
Derfor afviser jeg også, at der i offentlige bygninger obligatorisk skal fyres med kul.
Is it in line with those competition regulations which are already being badly abused in other fields of Community activity?
Den anden af Kommissionens hovedtanker er en lo gisk følge af den første.
State subsidies have been used lavishly for 40 years, and they do not work.
Nemlig at halvdelen af miner ne ikke længere betragtes som rentable og derfor be budes nedlagt. Metoden er et rent fund.
They offer false protection and they delude both the public and the workers in the industry.
Denne katastrofale plan er tydeligvis lavet efter aftale med nogle af regeringerne.
We must, however, respect two fundamental conditions.
Således har Frankrig, der på dette område er et hestehoved forud for Kommissionen, allerede nedskåret sin kulproduktion med 25% i løbet af fem år efter at have lovet at forøge den med 50% i sammetidsrum.
The first is that a reasonable degree — I do not say complete, for I am a realist— of compatibility with the rules of competition governing the common market should be reached.
Nu skal nedlæggelserne fremskyndes, idet produktionen ifølge de officielle planer skal nedskæres til det halve i løbet af de kommende to år.
The second is that we should achieve an acceptable level of economic rationality, which has not been the case hitherto.
Afskedigelserne er allerede indledt.
Make an effort now to do this.
Det er klart, at de kommunistiske medlemmer fuldt og helt vil gå ind i kampen mod dette utilladelige sociale, økonomiske og finansielle uføre, der vil tvinge i hundredtusindvis af hustande ud i håbløsheden og hele regioner, der kan yde meget til vore landes udvikling, ud i forfaldet.
As my group is not totally satisfied with the Commission's proposals, or the rapporteur's report, we shall abstain, but our group spokesman, Mr Turner, has asked me to say that he is concerned with the first and third indents proposed in the amendments by the rapporteur to Article 2, which could be read as opening the door to national aids.
Turner (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, vi støtter ændringsforslagene af hr. Croux og hans betænkning.
Mr Bonaccini (COM). — (IT) Mr President, I should like to begin by congratulating Mr Croux on his worthy effort, which he demonstrated so successfully.
Jeg er helt enig med hr. Friedrich, når han siger, at den må være tidsbegrænset; men den må naturligvis også være artsbegrænset.
Some amendments, which I had time to read, seem to me to stray too far away from such lines and therefore we cannot accept them.
Den ordlyd, vi efter så megen tankevirksomhed er nået frem til i 1. og 3. led, rejser efter min opfattelse nogle spørgsmål.
I do think that Mr Rinsche was quite right to point out that the relationship between production and consumption should be regulated in the coal sector, taking account of consumer requirements in the respective countries.
1. led drejer sig om opretholdelse af en effektiv kulindustri og 3. led om forbedring af kulindustriens konkurrenceevne gennem en optimering af produktionskapaciteten.
There are also regional questions; there are also social questions and a solution which did not take these into account would be not at all acceptable.
En sidste bemærkning: Kommissionen er gået så vidt i sin elegance over for Parlamentet, at den endnu for-
Mr Rinsche asked another question, to which I should like to reply: "Is it worth continuing mining activity?"
141,8 millioner ECU og Frankrig mellem 1982 og 1983 123,6 millioner ECU i lån fra Fællesskabet.
Mr De Gucht (LDR). — (NL) Mr President, coal production in the European Community is in a specially ambiguous situation.
ud for forhandlingen bekendtgjorde, at den overhovedet ikke vil tage hensyn til vore ændringsforslag.
On the one hand there is something to say for the maintenance of our own production because coal as a domestic resource at Community level brings a degree of security in energy matters.
Under disse om stændigheder vil jeg, hvis kommissæren skulle fort sætte ad denne vej, opfordre formanden eller ordføreren til at anmode Parlamentet om ikke at deltage i denne parodi på samråd og tilbagesende sagen til for nyet udvalgsbehandling.
This in its turn means that the aid given by the Member States to coal prod uction has a less distorting effect on competition at the intra-Community level because we are in any case dealing here with non-competitive production. As against the outside world the principle of security of energy supplies is again involved.
Vi ønsker det for at kunne fremstille elektricitet, og det brændes udelukkende i Spanien. Der kom mer ikke et eneste ton brunkul uden for vort land.
Limburg has a right to our solidarity, but then that can only be directed towards the future.
Bueno Vicente (S). — (ES) Hr. formand, vi spanske socialister finder det godt, passende og nødvendigt for Europa med en ny Fællesskabsordning for stats støtte til kulindustrien, der medfører ændring af den nuværende forordning.
The coal mines are much too deeply embedded in the socio-economic structure of the region for that.
Vi takker derfor hr. Croux for hans vellykkede arbejde.
But the prospects for the future must also be clearly present.
Europa-Parlamentet, mine damer og herrer, burde gøre sin funktion værdig endnu engang ved at manifestere sin suverænitet; og i dette tilfælde burde Par lamentet gå lidt længere end Kommissionen; Parlamentet burde være den første til at støtte solidariteten. ten.
It is my conviction that Belgium and the Flemish community in particular must make a contract for the future with Limburg, under taking to devote a fixed amount specifically to Limburg for a period of ten years, where the proportion covering the losses of the KS decreases annually and the portion intended for reconversion increases annually in proportion.
Hvis vi godkender det spanske socialistiske ændrings forslag nr. 17, som jeg allerede indirekte har henvist til, kan Parlamentet fremme consensus i det råd smøde, der afholdes den 20. ds. vedrørende energi.
This amount would have to be in the region of 10 000 million and it would have to be possible to draw it from European national and regional funds, so that it would constitute an integrated programme.
Udvindingen af sydafrikanske kul sker til en meget lav pris, fordi minearbejderne hovedsageligt hører til den dårligt betalte og udnyttede sorte majoritet.
It is an instrument of energy policy and, let us not deny it, of social policy rather than competition policy — perhaps an instrument of social policy most of all.
Vi er tilhængere af, at de europæiske kulpriser skal konkurrere på kvalitet, virkelig skal konkurrere med tredjelande.
Thus the Commission has abandoned its original statistical objectives of profitability for a more general reference to profitability.
Og derfor er vi for, at medlemsstaterne skal yde støtte til forskning, udvindingsmetoder og industriel anvendelse af kul i konkurrence med andre primære kilder til opnåelse af elektricitet, som f.eks. olie, der bliver billigere og billigere, og atomkraft værker.
The rapporteur wishes to add the principles of guaranteed supply and aid for adaptation of production to the market, two principles which in essence must be regarded as a cloak for social objectives. We are not against that and we shall approve the amendments to that end.
Spanien behøver således jeres støtte, jeres velvilje, jeres solidaritet.
The instrument is also flexible enough to involve the collaboration and co-financing of nationai and regional institutions and thus to form a coherent whole.
Vi har givet meget for at kunne indtræde i alle De euro pæiske Fællesskaber og institutioner. Dette ville være et godt tidspunkt for, at Parlamentet med vedtagelsen af vort ændringsforslag nærmede sig Kommissionen, der før eller siden vil nå til en accept af vore brunkul. kul.
The intention must be to preserve at the end of this period a slimmed-down coal production but above all a young and vigorous modern province where there is still opportunity for employment.
Vi ønsker og bestræber os på at bevare beskæftigelsen i denne vigtige og gamle europæiske sektor, som mange hundrede tusinde familier er afhængig af.
That is because in the version proposed by the rapporteur the provision becomes an open system in which anything is possible. That is in fact the position.
Vi ønsker en omstilling heraf, men ikke på bekostning af en øget import af overskudslagre fra tredjelande, for di dette ville føre til ødelæggelse, glemsel for og mu ligvis lukning af vore miner.
At the level of the grant of aid anything must be possible in order to move, under socially acceptable conditions, towards Community production which is to be reduced but which also results in rather less loss per unit.
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Not in Europe and not in Belgium either.