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Maurice Martin (COM). — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, det er rigtigt, at der er brug for en forordning om ethanolmarkedet for at afhjælpe den herskende uorden.
Mr Prout (ED). — Mr President, with great respect, I must disagree with your interpretation over the quorum on procedural votes.
Kommissionen har fremsat forslag, der i alt væsentligt overholder fællesskabsprincipperne om afsætningsgaranti og interventionsordning.
Irrespective of what the House decides about Rule 85 (2), the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions, in its interpretation published on 17 May 1983 (Doc.
Men interessemodsætninger mellem medlemsstaterne satte en stopper for dette forslag.
PE 84.967), expressly states that the quorum applies not only to motions of substance but also to motions of proce dure.
Inden jeg slutter, skal jeg erindre om, at vi ligeledes anser det for påkrævet at sikre virkelig konkurrence lighed mellem de forskellige former for landbrugsalkohol og alkoholiske drikke gennem en harmonisering af forbrugsafgifterne, så det ikke kommer til at gå ud over vinavlerne.
I submit that you are bound to check the quorum on this motion of procedure quite independently of the issue of the double quorum under Rule 85 (2), which is an issue which only arises after the quorum has been asked for under two procedural votes.
De multinationale selskaber, hvis rolle en UNCTAD-rapport har gjort opmærksom på, har forøget deres dominerende indflydelse og opnået støtte fra mange hold helt ind i denne forsamling.
Therefore I feel that you would be out of order not to accept Mr Purvis's request under Rule 85, because a former president has said that Rule 85 is only relevant during the debate.
Britisk BPs omfattende produktion af syntetisk alkohol har på en måde været den dråbe, der fik Fællesskabets bæger til at flyde over.
We are now invoking Rule 85 during the debate and, that being the case, you can only put it to the vote during the debate if Rule 85 is to be of any value at all.
Louwes (L). — (NL) Hr. formand, allerførst vil jeg meddele Parlamentet, at jeg allerede i årevis administrativt har været inddraget i alkoholindustrien i mit land. Desuden har jeg også allerede i en rum tid været formand for COPAs arbejdsgruppe om alkohol. Men direkte finansielle interesser i eller i forbindelse med alkoholproduktionen har jeg ikke.
Mr D'Angelosante (COM). — (IT) Mr President, Mr Prout has forgotten to point out that in those pink pages that he had in his hand it says that, if the quorum is checked in relation to a request for referral back to committee, and the quorum is lacking, then the referral back to committee is rejected and the discussion continues.
Jeg mener, hr. formand, at jeg gør ret i at begynde mit indlæg hermed.
It is written there, but the wily old fox takes care not to read it in its entirety.
Landbrugsudvalgets betænkning tager hensyn til denne situation og anser det — efter vort forslag derom — for nødvendigt at opretholde fællesskabs produktionen af landbrugsethanol over for konkurrencen fra den syntetiske alkohol.
Mr Dalsass (PPE), rapporteur. — (DE) Mr President, I would ask you to follow the interpretation given by the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions, even though Parliament has not yet expressed its opinion. I ask you not to take a vote.
Betænkningen har endvidere den fortjeneste at rejse spørgsmålet om den fælles markedsordning.
But if you do take a vote, immediate steps should be taken to ensure that the same request is not made in five or ten minutes, before the end of the debate.
Men efter vor opfattelse har den den store fejl at give efter for presset ved at foreslå en andenrangs markedsordning, der vender fællesskabsprincipperne ryggen.
Otherwise, we run the danger of everything automatically being referred back to the committee.
I mands minde har myndighederne blandet sig i produktionen og brugen af alkohol.
President. — Mr Hord, I am now going to close this debate and will not accept any more interventions.
I tidernes løb har dette produkt været omgivet af en lang række ordninger, og alkohollovgivningen i næsten alle samfund er en genspejling af lovgivningstraditionerne.
I do not claim to be infallible, I can make a mistake, but I must point out that Rule 45 stipulates that a request for referral to committee can be made at any time.
Dette gælder bestemt også for Fællesskabets medlemsstater. Derfor er harmoniseringen heraf også. så vanskelig.
Well now, I appeal to the sense of fairplay peculiar to the British, if I am to believe their parliamentary tradition : you have good reasons for wishing referral to committee and you will defer in this connection to the judgement of the Assembly.
Der løber jo en skillelinje gennem Fællesskabet.
Mr Hord (ED). — A point of order, Mr President.
I den nordvestlige del finder produktionen af landbrugsalkohol på rationel vis sted i et begrænset antal virksomheder, og her interesserer
Mr Luster (PPE). — (DE) Mr President, what we are discussing here is a procedure governed not by Rule
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Louwes tion i landbrugsudvalget, under enorme vanskelig heder, for det står i dag klart, at en alkoholforordning i Europa er helt uomgængelig.
Hord other groups it is because we understand the Rules rather better than other groups !
Alt efter region fremstiller disse destillerier alkoholholdige væsker, hvorfra ligeledes mange landbrugerfamilier får en del af deres indkomst.
That is what we are doing today — calling for Rule 85 during the debate — and now you, from the Chair, are saying it is out of order.
Men alkohol i dette forordningsforslags betydning fremstiller de ikke.
How can it be out of order both outside and during the debate ?
Den foreslåede markedsordning drejer sig jo alene om neutral alkohol på 96 % ellere mere fremstillet af landbrugsråvarer, og på hvis smag man ikke må kunne kende oprindelsen.
You are negating an important rule of this House by not taking this application, and I believe, Mr President, your action will lead to a severe censure on the Presidency for flouting the rules of this House.
I al venskabelighed vil jeg bedrejde Dalsass-betænkningen, at den efter vor opfattelse ikke i tilstrækkelig grad fastslår prishierarkiet under hensyntagen til landbrugsprodukternes forskellige oprindelse.
I have told you very explicitly that we will be voting on the request for referral to committee when we vote this evening on other texts.
Jeg skal erindre hr. Hord og hans venner om, at jeg fra denne plads klart har støttet whiskyforordningen og whiskyens inddragelse i kornforordningen, idet jeg sagde, at vi var for eksportrestitutionen, også for forarbejdede produkter.
To go on discussing this all morning would not get us anywhere but would really give the impression that we do not wish to observe the democratic rules of a parliamentary Assembly.
Og det drejer sig dog også i tilfældet melassealkohol om et landbrugsprodukt.
I need only refer you to the practice of this House in March this year in relation to this report, when such a request was made and the President took the vote immediately.
Han ligesom kaster denne melassealkohol for den syntetiske alkohols ulve, der har deres oprindelse i den kemiske industri. For det andet giver han plads for alkohol fremstillet af over skudsvin.
That was consistent with the tradition always followed by the Presidency ; so I submit that if you do not allow us to vote now, you will, in fact, be inconsistent with the practice followed before by very distinguished occupants of the Chair.
Visse lunefulde udbytteforløb og de derved stærkt vekslende mængder af fremstillet vinalkohol virker stærkt destabiliserende på det almindelige alkoholmarked. holmarked.
We shall now resume the debate ; this does not prejudge in any way the final decision whether to refer back to committee or not.
Jeg skal tilføje, at hvor vi i formiddag drøfter destillering af nogle snese tons tørrede druer, så vidste män udmærket, da British Petroleums fabrik blev opført i Skotland, at den ville få en produktion på en million hektoliter. Vi gjorde i tide opmærksom på, at man var på vej mod katastrofen for den fælles landbrugspolitik og for Fællesskabets budget.
Mrs Vayssade (S). — (FR) Mr President, I should like to remind our British colleagues that, during the last partsession, the Committee on the Rules of Proce dure and Petitions proposed an interpretation according to which there would be an immediate vote in the case of a referral back to committee and that the majority in this House challenged that interpretation.
De fik klar besked, og jeg ved ikke, hvor tit jeg har sagt det i udvalget for tre år siden, lige så længe som vi har været medlemmer af forsamlingen.
The position that you have just adopted, Mr President, is therefore shared by the majority of Members of this House and I do not think that it can be challenged further.
Hr. Sablé, min gruppe fælle vil om lidt tale mere derom.
I understand your problems, but I also have my own which I would ask you too to consider and to make an effort at cooperation.
Vi håber så blot, at Parlamentet endelig efter mere end ti år vil afgive en udtalelse om dette forslag til en fælles markedsordning, og vi håber, at man hurtigt i Rådet vil kunne rette op på de konstaterede mangler.
We have here a very sharp controversy and it is in your own interest, in the interest of the cause you support and that of this Assembly, that in actual fact the Assembly should be able to declare its position in its majority on this matter.
Rådet vil imidlertid desværre intet kunne gøre, før vi har afgivet en udtalelse, derfor vor tilbøjelighed til nu at vedtage denne beslutning af hr. Dalsass og sende den til Rådet.
That is why I have decided to allow the request for referral to committee but to put it to the vote when the voting is scheduled today, and I shall not go back on this decision, since I want to be consistant.
Hr. formand, naturligvis vil vi lade vor ende lige bedømmelse afhænge af forløbet af afstemningerne om ændringforslagene, i hvilken forbindelse vi i øvrigt vil følge ordførerens bedømmelse.
I would therefore ask you once again, Mr Hord, to make your speech on behalf of the Committee on Budgets.
Sutra (S). — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kollega, min sidemand hr. Martins glimrende indlæg sætter mig i stand til at forkorte min tale, men allerførst vil jeg sige, at jeg tilslutter mig hvert et ord, han sagde, også konklusionen.
Mr Prout (ED). — Mr President, first of all I would like to say on behalf of my group that we intend no malice or ill will towards the Presidency in making the points that we do and, if I may say so, we think that you have conducted this very difficult debate with immense skill and considerable tolerance. (Cries of 'Hear, hear!')
Efter elleve års passivitet og tre års arbejde for os har hr. Dalsass fuldført en bemærkelsesværdig præsta
So there is absolutely no question of anybody on my side of the House holding this against the President or believing that the Presidency has in any way behaved wrongly in the course of this debate.
Det budget, De angriber, er frugten af Deres afvisning af at gennemføre fællesskabspræferencen.
At the same time, I would like to say that making points under the Rules of Procedure is a perfectly legitimate right of any Member of this House, and if we tend to raise rather more points of procedure than
Sablé (L) — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, hr. Dalsass betænkning afspejler de nationale regeringers divergerende opfattelse samt interessenkonflikterne på et område, hvor handel og industri ikke kan adskilles fra landbruget.
It did comment, however, that this effect on the Community's external trade could change if alcohol of agricultural origin were to be used in significant quantities for the Community's energy supply.
Derfor må man ikke forbavses over, at budgetudvalget efter en udtømmende behandling den 17. marts i år bekræftede sin udtalelse fra april 1980 og krævede dette forslag forkastet.
But until that happens this regulation does not restrict the Community's external trade. I believe that the opinion of the committee, of which I am no longer a member, has not changed.
Til sidst vil jeg tage forbehold dels i min egenskab af middelhavslandbruger, dels i min egenskab af fransk mand.
In this context the Committee on Budgets examined the Dalsass amendments alongside the Commission proposals and found that there was really no great benefit to the Community in terms of the budgetary cost.
Men som ansvarsbevidst valgt medlem konstaterer jeg nødvendigheden af at få en forordning.
I think Members will be aware that Mr Dalsass was of the view that the 120 m ECU originally proposed by the Commission could be reduced to 60 m ECU in consequence of his own recommendations.
Purvis (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne allerførst have lov til at rette et par misforståelser, som synes at være i anløb i Parlamentet.
All this, Mr President, takes place at a time when surpluses abound and there is even more pressure for surplus agricultural produce to be put into distillation.
Hr. Früh henviste til spørgsmålet om restitutioner til skotsk whiskyeksport.
Last year we dealt with substantial provisions for the distillation of surplus wine under the wine regulation.
Det bør omhyggeligt noteres, at de er udtryk for de meget høje importafgifter på importeret korn og de meget høje priser på korn under den fælles landbrugspolitik, som whiskyindustrien må leve med, og at restitutionerne kun gælder for eksport til lande uden for Det europæiske Fællesskab.
We have a very substantial surplus of sugar beet. Only this morning we were concerning ourselves with an urgency proposal in regard to Greek dried fruit, some 58 000 tonnes of it which is going to end up in distil lation.
Kommissionens oprindelige forslag med nogle ændringer kunne generelt have været tilfredsstillende.
So we can see that the surplus of wine and the surplus of many other kinds of agricultural produce, are going to have the 'solution' of distillation.
Den anden misopfattelse angår hr. Sutra og hr. Martin, som hævder at repræsentere partier, som repræsenterer arbejderen.
Mr Gautier (S). — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of many members of my group I should like to say that we shall be voting for Mr Dalsass's report.
Jeg vil gerne henlede deres opmærksomhed på, at der er mange arbejdere, som jeg repræsenterer her i Parlamentet, som er afhængige af deres arbejde på det petrokemiske anlæg i Grangemouth.
We too see the need for measures to be taken in the alcohol sector at Community level in the long term, not only in view of the judgments handed down by the European Court of Justice, our supreme legal authority, which we naturally intend to respect, but also because the European Community's alcohol market is at present subject to considerable disturbances due to the use of the different national market organizations.
Jeg har nu tre spørgsmål at stille til Kommisionen.
I do not want to single out any one Member State.
I samme sætning siger han, at det ikke vil få lov til at skabe forstyrrelse på markedet for industrialkohol.
We therefore believe something sensible needs to be done at European level.
Han har endnu ikke forklaret, hvordan han løser denne besynderlige, selv modsigende cirkels kvadratur. Jeg vil sætte pris på et konkret svar på det i dag.
For a variety of reasons my group has always opposed the Commission's proposal, and in this respect we agreed with the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and the Legal Affairs Committee.
Under påstand af, at denne alkohol er en spirituøs drik, der for øvrigt for visse oprindelsers vedkommende falder ind over lovbestemmelserne om »appellations contrôlées«, er varen undtaget fra den fælles garanti ordning i det forslag, vi har til behandling.
There is still no consideration of the consequences of enlarge ment. I think it is fair to say that when the two countries in the Iberian Peninsula join the Community, there will again be very substantial pressure on agricultural surpluses, and it is likely that there will be proposals to distil even more of those.
Hopper-betænkningens vedtagelse var det første slag, der blev tilføjet økonomien i de oversøiske departementer, der repræsenterer Fællesskabets perifere og dårligst stillede regioner, og vedtagelse af Dalsassbetænkningen i den foreliggende form vil få endnu alvorligere konsekvenser.
I should perhaps add that the Committee on Budgets is concerned that the proposals are disriminating against synthetic or industrial alcohol and that, with the growing surplus of expensive agricultural alcohol, there could be serious repercussions in the industrial sector, possibly leading to unemployment.
Det var først i går aftes, vi erfarede, at Kommissionen for Rådet havde fremsat forslag om alkoholiske drikke.
The overall attitude of the Committee on Budgets, Mr President, is unchanged.
Af hensyn til logikken, kære kolleger, og i betragtning af den ubestridte sammenhæng, der består mellem alkohol af landbrugsoprindelse og alkoholiske drikke, kunne de to problemer have været behandlet under ét, så man undgik ulemperne ved uforenelige løsninger.
The committee considers that the current proposals should not only be rejected but that the idea of an ethyl alcohol regulation should be abandoned altogether.
Det andet spørgsmål drejer sig om det franske alkoholmonopol, den måde hvorpå det har begrænset alkoholimport til Frankrig og nu dumper billig alkohol over hele Fællesskabet i en sådan grad, at alle landene, nemlig Holland, Belgien, Tyskland, Storbritannien, Danmark, Italien og Irland, beder om, at der bliver grebet ind.
The new proposal put forward by the Committee on Agriculture has, in our view, removed the grounds for a number of the objections we had previously made.
Hvad foretager Kommissionen sig? Forsinkelse og forhalelse kommer kun til at betyde et fait accompli, som vi ikke kan hamle op med. Vi accepterer, at vi måske en dag bliver nødt til at have en vis form for organisation af alkoholsystemet i Fællesskabet, men det er latterligt, at hr. Dalsass, Kommissionen og hr. Früh tromler et partisk, forud indtaget system igennem, som ikke har nogen chance for succes i Ministerrådet.
When presenting his report, Mr Dalsass also pointed out that alcoholic beverages were not to be included in the market organization They require a different arrangement, which is the subject of another Commis sion proposal.
Som mit sidste spørgsmål til hr. Dalsager vil jeg gerne spørge, hvilke forhåbninger har har i Ministerrådet med dette forslag?
We also had serious doubts about the areas reserved for the use of alcohol of agricultural origin, particularly as regards the pharmaceutical and cosmetic sectors.
Går det af sted, som det er, eller med hr. Dalsass' ændringsforslag?
Reference to these reserved areas has been removed, and I hope the Council does not rein troduce them.
Hvis han ikke nærer nogen forventninger om succes i Ministerrådet, spilder han så ikke blot kynisk vores tid ved at forfølge denne sag?
Nor did we think the proposed inter vention arrangement was suitable for a reasonable alcohol policy at Community level in the long term.
Men retsudvalget og budgetudvalget har med rette gjort opmærksom på, at udelukkelse af disse alkoholformer af landbrugsoprindelse fra den fælles markedsordning vil medføre betragtelige skader, og at rimelighed i forhold til protokol 19 om
I would also say, Mr Dalsass, that molasses alcohol is perhaps not the optimal reference base : it might be better to take alcohol obtained from cereals, but that is really no more than a technical detail.
Sablé whisky i tiltrædelsesakten tilsiger at medtage dem på grundlag af artiklerne 38 og 237 i Fællesskabets traktat.
I would consider it more logical to draw up a report first and then to propose a market organization for alcohol, but it is not always possible to understand the Commis sion's logic.
Ved at ophæve enhver oprindelseskontrol vil man opmuntre til misbrug.
Now Parliament has found a way of showing what course might be adopted in this difficult matter.
Efter min opfattelse har hr. Dalsass ved at udelade enhver henvisning til be stemte anvendelser for landbrugsalkohol fjernet den sidste rest af betænkelighed, efter at han tidligere har slettet enhver henvisning til alkoholholdige drikke varer.
Nor do I agree with the Commission's proposal that sales to distilleries must not be allowed to disturb the alcohol and spirits market in the Community.
Denne nye indrømmelse har været mulig, fordi Kommissionen for snart et år siden har tilstillet Rådet et forslag til forordning om definition af alkoholholdige drikkevarer, som tager hensyn til dette spørgsmål.
These are pious hopes, because there is no organization of this sector.
Det har i virkeligheden vist sig, at ingen i Fællesskabet anvender ethylalkohol, som ikke er af landbrugsoprindelse, til fremstilling af alkoholholdige drikkevarer.
I there fore ask you to withdraw your objections and to stop thinking that you can constantly block action, as you have tried to do in the past.
Det var en fare af denne art, vi ønskede at undgå, da denne tilsyneladende uskadelige foranstaltning blev forkastet i Kingston af det paritetiske udvalg AVS-EØF, da en række lande fremsatte et forslag, der havde til formål at behandle rom som et industriprodukt.
A final word to my British colleagues : the situation at the moment is that many areas of the Community's alcohol policy are governed by other market organizations — wine, for example, by the organization of the market in wine, whisky by the organization of the market in cereals and so on.
Vedtagelse deraf ville uvægerlig have medført, en nedgang i dyrkningen af sukkerrør, der er så nødvendig for den økonomiske og samfundsmæssige ligevægt på de vestindiske øer.
What we have here is an area that has so far been left out and is at present financed nationally, but with the taxpayer's money nonetheless.
Faktisk kan enhver handelsvirksomhed, der opfører et destillationsanlæg i et associeret land eller i en af Fællesskabets havne, til spotpris indkøbe overskudsmelasse i tredjelande som Puerto Rico, Cuba, Sydafrika eller Brasilien for ad industriel vej at fremstille rom og oversvømme det europæiske marked under udnyttelse af det generelle toldpræferencesysstem.
Is responsibility for just this one area not to be transferred to the Community ? I and many of my political friends therefore believe that we should try to make the breakthrough and introduce this organization of the market in alcohol.
Hvis det ikke bliver vedtaget, vil jeg se mig nødsaget til at tilslutte mig retsudvalgets og budgetudvalgets udtalelser.
In so doing, they protect the landscape because there would otherwise be no fruit growing in difficult areas.
Prout (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg har allerede redegjort for mine synspunkter i denne sag under den foregående debat i marts.
Mr Früh (PPE). — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, I am glad that this debate has been brought back down to an objective level.
Jeg mener fortsat ligesom Parlamentets retsudvalg — og i ordførerens fravær føler jeg, at jeg bør understrege dette — at artikel 8, stk. 3, og artikel 9 i forordningen overtræder Rom traktaten.
It is, of course, a rare occurrence for me to agree with the previous speaker, Mr Gautier, on an agricultural matte, but by and large I can endorse what he had to say.
Denne foranstaltning overholder yderligere proportionalitetsprincippet.
Mr Gautier said that the rapporteur has submitted a completely different proposal.
Det, sagen drejer sig om, er, at destillation vil forsvinde uden disse støtteforanstaltninger, og landbrugproducenternes ekstra indtægt fra denne destillation vil således være bragt i fare.
Unfortunately, your opinion concludes by saying that the Commission's proposal for a common organization of the market in ethyl alcohol should be rejected.
Kommissionen kan tilslutte sig hr. Dalsass be stræbelser på at lade Fællesskabet overtage ydelsen efter Fællesskabets regler i stedet for en national finansiering af støtten, som det sker i øjeblikket.
Did you really discuss the old Commission proposal without trying — as the rapporteur has done in years of cooperation with the Commission — to put forward something entirely new that completely upsets your budgetary ideas ?