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Med hensyn til det spørgsmål, der blev stillet af den forrige taler, om EF bør optræde som kontraherende part eller ej, er jeg enig i Walter-betænkningens konklusion, og jeg må udtrykkeligt vende mig mod, hvad den forrige taler sagde om, at der ikke er grund til at Fællesskabet underskriver traktaten.
Parliament will therefore have to go on concerning itself with the protection of the environment during undersea operations and with the distribution of the profits thereof — a distribution which would have to be fair in order to ensure the progress of the whole human community and — if I may so put it — for the sake of the fish community.
Dette gør det helt klart, hvad der er Fællesskabets kompetence i denne sag, og desuden er det fuldstændig op til Fællesskabet selv at fastlægge sin kompetence.
Meanwhile, the only attitude which it seems possible for us to take, while thanking Mr Walter for his remarkable report, is to reject totally the motion tabled by Mr Johnson and others.
Formanden. — Fru Boserup har ordet.
President. — I call the Group for the Technical Coordination and Defence of Independent Groups and Members.
Til slut vil jeg gerne kommentere de forskellige bemærkninger, der er blevet fremsat om situationen i De forenede Stater.
But, with regard to the essence of the motion, it seems that its tablers are inadequately informed about the debate currently going on at the United Nations, and that perhaps they have got the wrong idea, albeit in good faith.
Det er ikke mit indtryk, at den siddende regering i Washington har til hensigt at ændre den bestående traktat i bund og grund.
The United States Jed by President Reagan has in no way sabotaged the third Law of the Sea Conference, as has been claimed in the press and else where.
Blandt andet på baggrund af personlige kontakter er jeg overbevist om, at revisionen vil indskrænke sig ril kapitel 11, og dette kapitel om dybhavsminedrift er bestemt heller ikke optimalt formuleret, hvilket heller ingen hævder.
But, in the interests of the industrialized countries and therefore in that of the EEC, they are asking for thought to be devoted to the exploitation of international deepsea resources, which it is intended ultimately to entrust to an international authority depending on the United Nations and created in its image.
Vi må håbe, at revisionen af kapitel 11 kan gennemføres så hurtigt som muligt, og at den kan føre til konstruktive resultater, som Fællesskabet og USA i enighed kan tilslutte sig, for at den nuværende ordning kan blive forbedret.
This would mean, for the purposes of exploitation of deepsea resources, each country submitting to the authority of a sort of world government with an Assembly, a Council and
Boserup. — Ærede formand, gode kolleger, hr. Price's betænkning om forsamlingens regnskab er meget velkommen.
Mr Skovmand. — (DA) Mr President, the Walter Report calls for the European Community to become a contracting party to the Convention on the Law of the Sea.
Det er glædeligt, at den kommer så hurtigt, og dens konklusioner, der for det første er, at udvalget for budgetkontrol gennem kvartalsvise
That is something we must certainly oppose in the grounds that any such commitment on the part of the Community would have widespread repercussions.
Mødet torsdag den 9. april 19 81
Sitting of Thursday, 9 April 1981
der hver dag lever med reallønsfald, sociale nedskæringer, virksomhedslukninger og boligmangel.
Skovmand despite the presence in this House of those who wish things were different.
Mange af os har udtrykt harme over urimelige flotheder.
Furthermore, under the heading 'Continental shelf' it is stated that this concept dates back to 1958.
Jeg har såmænd selv været fristet til at slutte mig til den flok, som hr. Price forleden aften kaldte »uartige drenge, der kaster sten ind ad borgerskabets vinduer«.
This is wrong — it dates back in fact to President Truman's time in 1945, and all the 1958 Geneva Convention did was to embody the concept in established law.
Noget sådant har jeg såmænd også prøvet, selv om det er mange år siden. Imidlertid er udgifterne for høje.
And finally, in the passage under the heading 'The high seas', the second paragraph talks about an international authority empowered to issue licences for exploitation.
En sammenligning med det danske folketing, hvis regnskab jeg kender, viser, at der — selv når der tages rigeligt hensyn til sprogudgifterne — stadig bruges dobbelt så meget her pr. medlem, som vi broger i folketinget.
The truth is that only the international sea bed — and not the high seas — will be subject to supervision by a higher authority.
Det virker groft, ikke så meget på grund af beløbets størrelse, for jeg er såmænd ikke fedtet, men især fordi der ydes så lidt for pengene.
Mr Collins. — Mr President, first of all I would say on behalf of the Socialist Group that we shall support the Walter report.
Her laves ikke love, her holdes kun mødeperioder fem dage om måneden. Vi har én pligt, nemlig at udtale os om Kommissionens forslag, og det tager både halve og hele år.
While the economic and strategic aspects, which have been covered very largely by most of the speakers until now, are undoubtedly important, I want to turn to some other aspects, and in particular the environmental problems which are inherent in deepsea mining.
Penge strøs ud, men arbejdsglæden og interessen er så ringe, at selv udvalgsmøder går i fisk, fordi medlemmerne ikke gider møde op eller kun kommer ganske kortvarigt.
I commend Mr Johnson's amend ments, because I think they insert the right kind of emphasis into the report.
Den socialistiske gruppe støtter denne betænkning og vil arbejde for at sikre en bedre forvaltning af de finansielle midler i fremtiden.
Mr Bournias. — (GR) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, the motion for a resolution signed by Mr Johnson and others and Mr Walter's report on behalf of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs are of major importance.
Europa-Parlamentets udgifter for 1981 er på i alt 71 mio. £ — et stort beløb; men som en af kammeraterne sagde tidligere på ugen, er det i virkeligheden kun 27 pence for hver borger i Europa.
I should like to congratulate them, and I cannot omit to congratulate also Mrs Weiss, who has just spoken, on her excellent speech.
Skønt dette forekommer at være et lille beløb, er det stadig et stort beløb, som Europas borgere indbetaler til Fællesskabets budget.
The conference which started on- 9 March and is still going on is the eighth session since the Third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea started its work in New York on 3 December 1973.
Derfor ønsker jeg at behandle to aspekter af disse udgifter.
The motion for a. resolution is understandably concerned about this aspect.
Men det er min opgave at protestere imod meningsløs brug af skattekroner.
We are beginning to find out, but really we are only discovering the depths of our own ignorance so far.
Eksempler er der nemlig nok af: 5 000 danske kroner pr. medlem om året til repræsentation, som om man kan købe sig til respekt og anseelse.
A very recent paper by a Dr Errol, of the California Academy of Sciences, has put it very graphically.
Det første drejer sig om, at vi bruger over 40 % af disse midler til vore sprogtjenester.
She has asked how much we should know of Washington or other terrestrial areas if we applied the techniques of deepsea exploration to the land.
Det er klart, at Parlamentets forvaltning må være meget omhyggelig med, hvor effektivt pengene anvendes på dette arbejdsområde, som er så vigtigt for os.
Imagine, she says, flying overhead in a fog, lowering scoops and nets to gather whatever we could blindly catch.
Det andet store beløb forklares af vort arbejde mindst tre forskellige steder.
Fragments of trees and bushes would come up; a chunk of a build ing; a bewildered dog or a robin all in a jumble.
Dette skyldes ikke, at vi ønsker at være moderne sigøjnere i firserne, men at ingen har ønsket at træffe de barske, men uundgåelige afgørelser, som skal til for at beslutte, hvor Parlamentets arbejdsplads skal være beliggende.
And from that we should have to construct our view of what was there, on the bed of the ocean or, as in this case, Washington.
Oh hellige enfold ! Disse kvæstorer har såmænd opbygget deres egen lille bureaukratiske eventyrverden med monstrøse dagsordener, ordførere og alskens slags omsvøb.
Under the heading 'Exclusive economic zone', the second paragraph states that the economic zone is divided up into national zones for the exploitation of natural resources.
Burde vi ikke indse vor fejl tagelse og afskaffe kvæstorfunktionen?
This statement must be wrong, since the economic zone belongs wholly to the coastal State and
På trods af disse to faktorer, som vi kun har ringe kontrol over, ønsker jeg at fremsætte følgende forslag til, hvad vi først og fremmest bør gøre i vor egenskab af udvalg for budgetkontrol og dernæst i vor egenskab af Parlament.
In the deep sea we are gradually discovering that there are new forms: there are new creatures; there are new resources; there are things of interest; there are things of aesthetic value; there are things of economic value; and if we do not take care of these things, then perhaps they will be lost for ever not just to us but also to future generations.
Det første, vi må sikre, er, at alle overslag over fremtidige udgifter skal forbedres, og på dette punkt må vi vise fasthed især under de løbende forhandlinger om Parlamentets budget for 1982 for at undgå den omfattende fejlforvaltning i 1980, da vi brugte 22 % mindre end det bevilgede beløb.
We must take very great care, at national Community and indeed international level; we must reject the kind of narrow chauvinistic view that was put by our Danish colleague just a few minutes ago, because there is no question that in recent years we have seen a clear trend towards cynical exploitation without regard for the interests of the environment, with regard even for the interests of Third World countries that my colleague Mr Enright
Key personalets arbejdsbetingelser på ingen måde skades heraf.
Like everything else, there are two sides to the law of the sea, that is to say, rights and duties.
I punkt 9 i hr. Prices betænkning forsøger vi at stramme situationen op ved at opfordre udvalget for budgetkontrol til indgående at undersøge gennemførelsen af budgettet på et regelmæssigt kvartalsvis grundlag med henblik på at sikre både økonomien og effektiviteten i forbindelse med Parlamentets funktion. tion.
We must therefore condemn the United States for its irresponsible attitude at the Law of the Sea Conference; but we must also be careful to recognize that Japan, Germany, the United Kingdom and Belgium have all been engaged in producing laws which will allow them to carve up the ocean bed with out regard for anybody else.
For det fjerde ønsker vi meget nøje at gennemgå udgifterne i forbindelse med tjenesterejser under vort normale arbejde i dette mellemstalige Parlaments.
In fact, I would say that our newspapers and television stations in the Community have let us down very badly in this.
Der er blevet sagt nok herom i medierne og her i salen.
We are indeed now fiddling while the ocean bed is exploited, perhaps to the point of destruction.
Hvis vi skal have nogen som helst troværdighed som Parlament over for Europas borgere må vi handle meget omhyggeligt, hurtigt og sundt på dette område.
I hope this debate will serve to focus the attention of the media on what is happen ing to the seabed, so as to produce a greater public awareness of the problems.
Lad mig sige til fru Boserup, som talte om udgifterne til det danske folketing i forhold til Europa-Parlamentet, at det synes, som om vi får iøjnefaldende meget for pengene her, fordi hun fortalte Parlamentet for nogle få minutter siden, at udgifterne pr. medlem i det danske folketing var halvdelen af Europa-Parlamentets udgifter.
In view of the fact that the Member States of the Community have relinquished such rights to the Community in a number of the fields the UN Confer ence on the Law of the Sea is discussing, it seems to be sensible for the Community to become a contracting party to the Convention.
Hvis vi nu tager i betragtning, at vort Parlament arbejder på 7 sprog, at vi ikke blot skal rejse rundt til vore arbejdspladser, men at medlemmerne kommer fra alle dele af Europa, og deres. rejseudgifter skal medregnes, og hvis vi tager hensyn til alle de forskellige andre komplicerede faktorer i forbindelse med vort Parlamentet, forekommer det mig, at vi får særdeles meget for pengene, og nogle burde undersøge i det danske folketing, hvorfor de ikke har en noget bedre udnyttelsesgrad end den her nævnte.
I would draw the House's attention in this respect to the Community's responsibility for Community waters, a responsibility which, let us hope, will be extended as soon as possible by all the Member States agreeing on a common fisheries policy. It is important that all the Member States should strive to adopt a common stance in this matter, so that, by bringing our combined influence to bear, we can back up the United States on the line it has adopted so far at the UN Conference on the Law of the Sea, and to ensure that many years' work is not wasted.
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
I call Mr Katsafados.
Endelig mener jeg, at vi må træffe beslutning her i Parlamentet om, hvad vi ønsker at gennemføre. Hvis vi ønsker at gennemføre noget, må vi være indstillet på at betale for det og forsvare betalingen heraf.
I not only commend Mr Walter's report and Mr John son's amendments, and indeed his initiative in putting down his motion for a resolution; I would say that we have to get to the point where the Council and the Commission are able to initiate scientific research to establish the character of the marine environment, of the ocean bed and its susceptibility to the problems that deepsea mining will undoubtedly produce.
Hvis vi ikke er villige til at forsvare betalingerne og de nødvendige udgifter, bør vi ikke gennemføre den pågældende sag, og vi bør ikke tale om at gøre det.
The Council and the Commission must try to ensure that any agreed régime for deepsea bed mining will provide for the establishment of marine conservation areas in which no mining operations may be carried out at all.
Der har været mange eksempler her i Parlamentet, så sent som i sidste uge, hvor vi fremsatte storslåede udtalelser om, hvad vi ville gennemføre, og hvad alle andre burde gennemføre her i verden.
We must press hard for this at international level, and we call on the Commission and the Council to do so on our behalf.
Jeg er bange for, at vi må afgøre, at dersom vi ønsker at fremsætte udtalelser af den art og blive inddraget .i alle disse anliggender, må vi nødvendigvis betale herfor, og en sådan afgørelse må vi som parlamentarikere træffe.
We must also make sure, via the Council and Commission again, that pressure is brought to bear on our own Member States to ensure that none of them becomes a party to any régime for deepsea bed mining, whether global or regional or on any other scale, which does not take due account of the need to protect the marine environment.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er forhandling om en betænkning af Spinelli for budget udvalget (dok. 1-772/80) om Fællesskabets egne indtægter.
Mr Katsafados. — (GR) Mr President, I think we must congratulate and thank both the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and the rapporteur, Mr Walter, for the good work they have done on the undoubtedly difficult question of the economic repercussions and aspects of the exploitation of the seabed.
Til slut ønsker jeg at sige, at denne betænkning ikke blot ser tilbage på fortiden, men også viser vejen fremad, hvis vi skal sikre en rimelig og disciplineret finansiel fremgangsmåde i vort eget Parlament, og på min gruppes vegne ønsker jeg derfor at støtte betænkningen og det ændringsforslag, som hr. Kellett-Bowman har fremsat.
Apart from any reservations one may have on the various questions involved, it must be admitted that both the committee and the rapporteur have made an effort to approach the whole subject in a spirit of objectivity, broad-mindedness and European solidarity.
Formanden. — Som afslutning på forhandlingen har ordføreren ordet.
In general, the report is a fairly satisfactory and realistic mixture of the various diverging opinions on the monetary, economic and legal aspects involved.
Notenboom. — (NL) Hr. formand, som medlem af de europæiske folkepartis gruppe vil jeg gerne påpege, at hr. Barbi har ladet sig skrive på listen i tilfælde af, at der skulle blive fremsat bemærkninger, han ville være nødt til at tilbagevise eller støtte. Det har der dog hidtil ikke været nogen anledning til.
In view of the lack of time, it is not possible for me to go into a detailed study and analysis of all the points in the report and the motion for a resolution, so I will limit myself to a few remarks which I shall make very briefly, since some of them have already been made by my colleague, Mr Bournias.
Hvad os angår er forhandlingen allerede blevet ført i januar måned og den kendsgerning, at hr. Barbi nu tilfældigvis ikke er tilstede, er derfor ikke udtryk for manglende interesse.
I think the rapporteur, Mr Walter, will agree with these remarks if he listens to them carefully.
Ordføreren har ordet.
President. — I call Mr Nyborg.
Spinelli, ordfører. — (IT) Hr. formand, medlemmer af Kommissionen og Rådet, ærede kolleger, men især retter jeg min tale til de højtærede tomme pladser, som desværre ikke stemmer, men som endnu mindre er forpligtet til at lytte.
Mr Nyborg. — (DA) Mr President, I shall be very brief.
Uden at ville genoptage drøftelsen af spørgsmålet om egne indtægter ønsker jeg at fremsætte nogle bemærkninger om nogle af de
A lot has been said, and we have heard many wise words, but there are a few things I should like to
Hvis vi kan undgå at opbruge alle de forhåndenværende bevillinger på budgettet, finder jeg det godt og ikke dårligt.
The fact is that the continental shelf as a serious political, economic and legal concept dates back to 1945, when it was
Spinelli vigtigste og mest afgørende ændringsforslag, som er fremsat.
Katsafados first mentioned by the then President of the United States, Mr Truman.
Ændringsforslag nr. 35 fremsat af den socialistiske gruppe, drejer sig om forskellige overvejelser, hvoraf udvalget har godkendt 3.
In paragraph 2 of the chapter on economic zones it is stated that the economic zone is divided into national zones for the exploitation of natural resources.
Det er klart, at der med de nuværende indtægter ikke kan gennemføres seriøse strukturbetingede ændringer; men da vi rationelt kan forbedre landbrugets udgifter, bør vi ikke tro, at vi det væsentlige kan mindske landbrugets udgifter ved at overføre dem til andre sektorer.
Before I conclude, Mr President ladies and gentlemen, I feel it is essential to draw attention to the Community's dependence as regards energy and raw materials — a dependence which has become so very expensive in the last few years — and to the opportunity to resolve this problem by changing over to sensible exploitation of the seabed.
Lad mig det samme sig, at der siden september 1979 har været behov for en betænkning fra Parlamentet om egne indtægter, og i oktober 1979 blev der truffet beslutning om at nedsætte en arbejdsgruppe i budget udvalget.
Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, let me conclude with the hope that this entire question will be tackled by all those involved in full awareness of its enormous importance, of the major problems it poses, and of the pressing need for evidence of a spirit of cooperation.
I maj 1980 drøftede udvalget dette arbejde på flere møder og stillede alle dokumenter til rådighed.
In 1958 the Geneva Convention had provided fair and widely acceptable solutions to the question of the exploitation of underwater resources.
De, der var interesseret i at stille ændringsforslag, har vel vogtet sig herfor, og det resulterede i, at der i november måned kun var stillet de ændringsorslag, som der er taget hensyn til.
The Conference on the Law of the Sea had made some progress, and there were encouraging signs that we were getting near to a final and universally acceptable result.
Betænkningen blev forhandlet i januar måned: lidt for sent, fordi meningen med forslaget var at vise den nye Kommission, hvad Parlamentet agtede at gøre, men forhandlingen fandt imidlertid først sted, efter at den nye Kommission havde forelagt sit program.
To the extent that Mr Johnson's motion for a resolution and Mr Walter's report are aimed at encouraging attempts to achieve this final result as soon as possible and at obliging the USA to follow the same course, we are in agreement.
Da denne forhandling blev påbegyndt — den var temmelig vanskelig — var der mærkeligt nok pludselig nogen, som vågnede op og besluttede, at de burde stille små 70 ændringsforslag. Nuvel.
However, we have serious objections to the remaining points in the Walter report, particularly where it calls for the EEC to be accepted as an equal partner in the talks.
Nu forelægger jeg resultatet for Dem samt budgetudvalgets forslag og henstillinger.
The EEC does not constitute a sovereign State, and only sovereign States can be involved in drawing up the law of the sea.
Et andet ændringsforslag, nr. 38, også fra den socialistiske gruppe, kræver, at man inden for rammerne af de eksisterende afgifter foretager en yderligere harmonisering af momsandelene.
Moreover, as is admit ted in the Walter report, the ten countries of the Community do not have a common policy, a common stance.
Det er en forpligtelse, som Fællesskabet har påtaget sig, men som ikke er gennemført.
How then can we call for the Community to become an equal partner with sovereign States in these talks?
En harmonisering af momsandelene er bl. a. nødvendig også for virkelig at ophæve kontrollen med handelen inden for Fællesskabet og i sandhed skabe et fælles og ensartet marked og ikke kun på visse områder.
To what extent the Member States of the Community intend to cede some of their rights to the Community, if and when these rights have finally been prescribed by the new law of the sea, is another matter.
Jeg kan ikke skjule min beklagelse af, at Parlamentet i et spørgsmål af så stor betydning har handlet med samme langsommelighed som andre insitutioner i Fællesskabet.
However, to ask before hand for the EEC to be admitted as an equal partner of the United States is unacceptable when we do not have a joint stance.
Åbenbart lærer også Parlamentet at arbejde på denne måde.
For these reasons, Mr President, the Greek Members of PASOK will reject the Walter report.
De stillede ændringsforslag omfatter ca. 70.
President. — I call Mr Plaskovitis.
En stor del af disse ændringsforslag drejer sig kun om enkeltheder, der forbedrer eller forværrer teksten en lille smule alt efter synspunktet hos dem, som støtter eller er imod betænkningen.
Mr Plaskovitis. — (GR) Mr President, the motion for a resolution tabled by Mr Johnson and others essentially reflects the concern which we Greek Socialist Members of PASOK also feel in face of the negative attitude of the United States towards the draft convention and the results achieved up to now by the Maritime Law Conference being held under the aegis of the United Nations.
I de væsentlige ændres hensigten med betænkingen ikke af disse ændringsforslag.
In this respect — and in this respect only — paragraph 1 of the motion for a resolution has our support.
Der er imidlertid andre ændringsforslag, men ikke mange: 5 eller 6 eller måske endog færre, hvor en vedtagelse eller forkastelse ville give betænkningen en noget anden betydning, og det vil derfor ved den endelige afstemning betyde, at betænkningen vil få enten den ene eller anden udformning.
The Conference on the Law of the Sea could undoubtedly offer effective and broadly accept able rules for international legislation on delicate questions such as the exploitation of the environment etc.