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Det er indlysende, at de nødvendige mekanismer skal sættes i gang for at overvinde disse omstændigheder, og som fru Veil netop fremhævede, vil vi snart nå til en høj grad af anvendelse af det princip, som foreslås i Macciocchibetænkningen.
I am not afraid of the double vote, but I am afraid of double talk ; I think we should merely say that we want this possibility to be available to all Community nationals, at least on the local level.
Jeg vil endvidere bemærke, fru formand, at spørgs målet ikke kun er politisk. Det er også juridisk.
In any event, it seems to me that there is a flaw in Mrs Macciocchi's philosophical approach — that is to say, an incomplete perception of what a nation really is.
Det er uforståeligt, at Rom-traktaten kan omhandle og opfordre til arbejdstageres og virksomheders bevægelse fra det ene land til det andet, uden at dette medfører udøvelsen af en fundamental rettighed, retten til deltagelse i valget af de lokale myndigheder.
Certainly, her own intellectual, personal and political qualities allow her to feel at home in any country of our Community, in Italy as well as in France, and her personal desire to take part in the local political life of one country or another is perfectly understand able.
Denne rettighed er et udtryk for den demokratiske ånd, som hersker i Det europæiske Fællesskab og i Europa-Parlamentet.
But how many cases are there like hers in the countries of the Community as a whole ?
En fastholden ved dette princip er særlig aktuel i forbindelse med valgene i 1984.
The fact of living together economically or socially is not equivalent to belonging to a nation.
Jeg ønsker og beder til, fru formand, at fru Macciocchis forslag må blive vedtaget med meget stort flertal.
A nation has much deeper historical roots, and it takes more than a day to feel oneself a part of it.
Dette vil være en vigtig meddelelse om valgene næste år.
In conclusion, I will say — without fundamentally disagreeing with Mrs Macciocchi — that in my opinion she is putting the cart before the horse.
Men hvad jeg ikke kan forstå, kære kolleger, er, at vi ikke kan finde nogen løsning på dette simple spørgsmål, et spørgsmål, som går hånd i hånd med Fællesskabets målsætninger, som det i øvrigt også er nævnt i beslutningsforslaget.
Mr Vié (DEP). — (FR) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, we all know of and appreciate Mrs Macciocchi's intellectual and personal qualities, and I will say immediately that my rather negative judgment of the report she has presented is no reflection on her.
Jeg undrer mig derfor over, at vi stadig i aften kan være uenige i dette spørgsmål — jeg bemærkede faktisk, at også fru Veil var tøvende — og jeg understreger, at jeg er fuldstændig enig med min landsmand, hr. Pesmazoglou.
I am no doubt one of that minority in the Legal Affairs Committee that she mentioned a moment ago, but I think that her report was a task which it was virtually impossible to perform with success.
Vayssade (S). — (FR) Fru formand, siden Fællesskabets oprettelse er friheden til etablering blevet indført lidt efter lidt. Europæere fra de ti lande kan bevæge sig og nedsætte sig, som de vil.
Mr Pesmazoglou (NI). — (GR) Madam President, I should like to stress the importance of this matter and to express my agreement with what has been said by many colleagues about the need for the report by Mrs Macciocchi to be supported and endorsed by a large majority.
Jeg mener, fru fromand, at dette spørgsmål bør afklarers inden udgangen af 1983, som fru Macciocchi helt rigtigt sagde.
I do not subscribe to what has been said up to now concerning the legal difficulties that exist.
Kommissionen bør fremsætte et forslag, og på grundlag af dette bør vi tage det første skridt, som skal være udgangspunktet for den fremtidige løsning på det mere generelle problem med alle de, som befinder sig i udlandet.
It is abundantly clear that the necessary mechanisms will be evolved to overcome these impediments and, as Mrs Veil stressed a little earlier, we shall soon be able to reach an advanced stage in.the implementation of the principle put forward in the report by Mrs Macciocchi.
I betragtning af dette faktum har man i en række lande allerede indrømmet mulighed for at opnå stemmeret og at deltage i valg på arbejdspladserne og at tillade, at man, der hvor man arbejder, kan udøve en række rettigheder, der knytter sig til ansættelsesforholdet. holdet.
On the general political or philosophical level, there is, of course, not the slightest objection to the idea that each citizen of a Community country should some day be able to feel himself a citizen of the other countries as well, and especially of the one where he resides.
Kyrkos (COM). — (GR) Vi har været vidne til en meget sygelig modstand mod Macciocchi-forslaget.
On a more practical level, it is obvious that the European migrant established in a host country and paying local taxes should have a say concerning them.
Jeg har hørt hr. Vié sige, at der er uoverstigelige institutionelle og juridiske forhindringer.
In France, town councillors are the electors of the Senate.
Jeg undervurderer ikke de juridiske og institutionelle vanskelig heder.
Even in keeping strictly to a purely local objective — and even this term 'local' is not explicit : does it mean the municipal level, the depart mental level, the regional ? — we end up in the highest political sphere.
Men jeg vil sige, at den eneste forhindring er, jeg understreger, mangelen på politisk vilje, hvilket er skyld i, at vi stadig efter 20 år taler om forhindringer.
Is it necessary to remind you that in my country, if the Presidency of the Republic falls vacant, the president of the Senate temporarily assumes the post ?
Hr. Vié sagde endvidere, at vi ikke kan holde udsalg,
I shall certainly be told that in any case the debate cannot be taken this far, that the percentage of immigrants in our respective countries is not so large as to exert an influence on such impor
Vi fortsætter i dag behandlingen af dette spørgsmål, der har bestået længe.
I would also like to observe, Madam President, that the matter is not only political.
Kan man også mellem europæiske borgere tillade, at der består valgret og valg barhed, der hvor man bor, med mulighed for at deltage i den kommunale aktivitet, at være til stede blandt dem, der beslutter, at stemme om det, der i første række vedrører dem, nemlig skatterne?
It is also a legal matter. It is absurd for the Treaty of Rome to envisage and encourage the movement of workers and commer cial enterprises from one country to another without this leading to the exercise, as proposed, of a fundamental right, the right to participate in the election of local authorities.
Jeg tror, at det er et væsendigt mål at nå, et mål som vi allerede nu bør begynde at arbejde på at nå.
Insistence on this principle is particularly timely in view of the elections due to take place in 1984.
Kyrkos lokale valg, har givet deres blod, sved og tårer, har lidt alvorlige skader på deres helbred, mens de har skabt værdi og merværdi og deltaget i opbygningen af de lande, som de er udvandret til, og hvor de arbejder uden at være ligestillede med de indfødte arbejdstagere i det land, de bor i.
The Europeans of the ten countries can move about and take up residence as they choose. Along with this — and I think it is important — there are more and more marriages between nationals of different countries and, as result, more problems of residence or change of residence, which especially affect women with regard to their native countries.
dvs. tale om deltagelse i den lokale administration, men undlade at diskutere deltagelse i de nationale valg, eller bredere endnu i de europæiske valg.
issues, one which is in keeping — as the motion for a resolution states — with the aims of the Community.
I disse tider med den herkende arbejdsløshedssituation har der udviklet sig en særlig racisme, som er vakt af de mest reaktionære kræfter, og Parlamentet må med en øjeblikkelig vedtagelse af de fremsatte forslag give et kategorisk svar, som utvetydigt fordømmer disse racistiske tendenser.
In view of this fact, certain countries have recognized the possibility of obtaining the right to vote and to participate in occupational elections at the place of work ; as a corollary, they have admitted that a labour contract can entail the exercise of certain rights in the place where the job is held.
Ud fra denne betragtning bør denne betænkning være mere dristig, hvis Parlamentet ønsker at være demokratisk.
I think this issue must be resolved by the end of 1983, as Mrs Macciocchi has so rightly said.
Og dette, fru formand, ikke som en indrømmelse og et bidrag til den luftige drøm Om et forenet Europa, men fordi de vandrende arbejdstagere på grund af alle deres ofre har en ubestridelig fysisk og juridisk ret til at kunne vælge og vælges der, hvor de bor; for det er her, at de problemer findes, som vedrører deres egen tilværelse.
The Commis sion must submit a proposal to us as a basis for our taking this first step towards a solution of the more general problem facing all those who live in foreign countries.
FORSÆDE: NICOLAS ESTGEN Næstformand
Today we are continuing to study a question which was raised long ago.
Og hvis vi ønsker, at Parlamentet skal fremstå som troværdigt i de ca. 8 millioner emigranters øjne, som befinder sig i udlandet og er berøvet deres mest grundlæggende rettighed, må vi nå frem til en konkret beslutning, hvormed vi kan støtte både Macciocchi-forslaget og de stillede ændringsforslag.
I do not underrate the legal and constitutional difficulties, but I would say that the only obstacle — and I emphasize this — is the lack of political will, on account of which we shall be speaking about obstacles 20 years hence.
Gredal (S). — Fru formand, jeg skal ikke komme med noget langfindlæg, men vil gerne understrege, at vi i Danmark og også i de øvrige nordiske lande har en tradition for, at folk fra EF og fra tredjelande har valgret ved de kommunale valg.
It is certainly not an easy goal to reach, and we know that in several countries there are constitutional and legal obstacles as well as practical ones affecting the possibility of participating in elections as a foreigner ; but if we dwell on these obstacles instead of fixing upon a political goal and saying that we are working to reach it, we may well have to wait a long time.
Jeg er enig i fru Macciocchis betænkning, men jeg synes ikke, den går vidt nok. De mennesker, som kommer til vore lande
Today I urge that this Macciocchi report be approved, and that the Community, with all its countries, really begin to work for the recognition of citizens' rights.
Narjes, medlem af Kommissionen. — (DE) Hr. formand, Kommissionen har taknemmeligt og med stor interesse taget den betænkning til efterretning, som fru Macciocchi har udarbejdet om valgret og valgbarhed på lokalt plan for en medlemsstats borgere, der er bosat i en anden medlemsstat end deres egen, og som retsudvalget har forelagt Parlamentet med forslag til beslutning.
Mr Vie also told us that we cannot do things by halves, that we cannot speak about participation in local government, that is, without also speaking about participation in national and the wider-ranging European elections.
— ikke alene Danmark, men også det øvrige Europa — kommer som fuldgyldige borgere der arbejder og betaler deres skat i vore lande. Det ville tjene Parlamentet til ære, hvis man gik videre og også tog tredje landsborgerne med. Det drejer sig om en gruppe mennesker, som i en årrække har boet i vore lande.
Mr Bournias (PPE). — (GR) Madam President, at this evening's sitting, or. the occasion of the statement by the Council about next year's elections, we have the opportunity to voice our regret that it has not been possible to resolve the issue of the participation of citizens living in foreign countries in the elections to the European Parliament.
Jeg synes, at man bør gå ind for de ændringsforslag, som lover folk fra tredjelande stemmeret ved de kommunale valg.
In other countries, this start has already taken place.
Vi ser da ikke nogen fare i,, at man måske får en tyrkisk eller en jugoslavisk borgmester i en eller anden by i Danmark. De er ligeværdige med os, ôg derfor skal de også have de samme mulig heder.
I quote the example of Sweden, where the right of immigrants to stand for election has been recognized, and where a Greek immigrant has been elected as a local councillor in the municipality of Stockholm.
Til disse prioriteter hørte for det første udarbejdelsen af det europæiske pas, der i mellemtiden er blevet indført, for det andet lempelsen af personkontrollen ved Fælles skabets interne grænser ved hjælp af det europæiske pas, som Parlamentet endnu i denne uge vil forhandle om på grundlag af Schieler-betænkningen, og for det tredje den almindelige opholdsret, som det desværre ikke er gået så godt, som vi kunne ønske, men som vi arbejder energisk på.
This resolution has a special moral value as well. Under the present preva'ling conditions of unemployment, a peculiar form of racialism is developing, instigated by the most reactionary forces and to give a categorical reply unequivocally condemning these racialist trends Parliament must endorse the existing proposals without further ado.
Ephremidis (COM). — (GR) Vi ville ikke have noget imod at stemme for fru Macciocchi-betænkningen bortset fra de alvorlige forbehold, som vi nærer, fordi det forelægges forsamlingen efter syv års debat og efter at have været behandlet af tre udvalg samt af Kommissionen, og fordi det er alt for tilbageholdende. dende.
I understand, of course, that this is a big issue which presents great difficulties and with regard to which disagreements and reservations and delays are justified, just as I also understand that it is not easy for us to find solutions for the great outstanding issues such as the differences between North and South and the question of the Community's own resources, and for all the great issues that we have been debating for years.
Det er tilbageholdende, fru formand, fordi de mennesker, som det foreslår skal have ret til at stemme ved
However, what I cannot fathom out, colleagues, is why we cannot find a solution on this simplest of all
Dengang regnede Rådet ikke valgretten på kommunalt plan med til prioriteterne. Det så vel de store politiske vanskeligheder, disse spørgsmål fremkalder, og holdt sig tilbage.
Madam President, if we do not support the amend ments tabled by our Socialist colleagues and also by other colleagues such as Mrs Veil, then certainly our
Fich (S). — Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne på de danske socialdemokraters vegne i forbindelse med den munddige forespørgsel af hr. Schwencke sige, hvor ledes vi stemmer. Vi er uenige i den grundholdning, som ligger i hr..
Mrs Gredal (S). — (DA) Madam President, I am not going to make a long speech, but I want to point out that in Denmark and in the other Nordic countries too we have a tradition of allowing people from the Community and from third countries to vote in local government elections.
Schwenckes oplæg, idet vi netop mener, at den europæiske fond skal være et resultat af mellemstatsligt samarbejde.
I think that we should support the proposed amendment which seeks to extend voting rights in municipal elections to people from third countries.
Det betragter vi som en nødvendig, men naturligvis ikke tilstrækkelig betingelse for, at vi kan acceptere noget sådant.
We see no danger in the possibility that we might get a Turkish or Yugoslav mayor in some Danish town or city.
linger i de enkelte medlemsstater har formet sig yderst forskelligt.
Seeing the big political problems implied, it hung back.
Der er tre medlemsstater, der har en sådan valgret.
Three Member States acknowledge such electoral rights.
Hvis jeg medregner irernes valgret i Storbritannien, har jeg måske endda lov til at tale om 3 Vi medlemsstat.
If I were to include the electoral rights of the Irish in Great Britain, I might modify that to read 3 1/4 Member States.
Men mindst tre andre medlems stater —rmed den fjerde er det uklart — mener, at dette spørgsmål angår selve forfatningen.
But at least three other Member States — the position of the fourth is. less than clear — accord this matter constitutional status. — All of which means that granting citizens resident in a Member State other than their own the right to stand for and vote in local elections, not to mention national elections, would require constitutional adjustments of the Member States in question and all the special procedures — qualified majority or other — which this would necessitate. This would be no easy matter, especially at a time such as the present, when, to our great regret — and this is a
Det vil sige, at give valgret og valgbarhed, selv om det kun er på kommunalt plan, ville forudsætte en forfatningsændring og dermed også de kvalificerede flertal, der er nødvendige for forfatningsændringen eller andre fremgangsmåder i disse medlemsstater.
If it wants the peoples to believe that it is inspired by humanitarian principles, it should joyfully acknowledge the right, not only of migrant workers from the member countries of the Community, but also of those from third countries to vote and stand as candidates in local elections — and this, not as a contribution to the unattainable dream of some sort of united Europe, but because, by virtue of their sacrifice, migrant workers have the inalienable natural
Hvad angår den beslutning af Boserup m.fl., som vi skal stemme om, vil jeg gerne sige, at vi er enige i to punkter.
Regarding the resolution by Mrs Boserup and others, I may say that we are in agreement on two points.
Vi er enige i, at der ikke i traktaterne findes basis for et kulturelt samarbejde, og vi er enige i, at der derfor ikke kan hentes penge fra Fællesskabernes budget til denne europæiske fond.
We agree that there is no basis in the Treaties for cultural cooperation, and we agree that no money should be taken from the Community budget for this European Foundation.
Men jeg vil under strege, at beslutningen jo ikke tager hensyn til, at der er tale om et mellemstatsligt samarbejde, og at der netop blev det, fordi vi, som på daværende tidspunkt var i regering, krævede det.
But I would point out that the resolution takes no account of the fact that we are concerned here with interstate cooperation and that is precisely what we, who were in government at the time, asked for.
Vi er tilhængere af kulturelt samarbejde med de andre ni EF-lande og med de øvrige nordiske lande inden for FN-rammer.
We are in favour of cultural cooperation with the other nine Community countries and with the other Nordic countries under UN arrangements.
Vi mener ikke, at noget sådant kan foregå over Rom traktaten.
We do not think that this sort of thing can be organized within the framework of the Treaty of Rome.
I denne forbindelse rejses oven i købet det spørgsmål, om man ikke skulle tage stilling til et krav om ligeberettigelse for statsborgere fra tredjelande i forhold til statsborgere fra medlemslande.
signal we should not overlook — the economic difficulties afflicting certain Member States are tending to usher in a recrudescence of xenophobia. The idea of equal electoral rights for citizens of third countries now resident in the Community has also been mooted.
Jeg·nævner kun dette for at henvise til, at der med hensyn til valget af tids punkt, som vi skal træffe for et sådant.forslag, eksisterer elementer af politisk opportunitet.
I only raise the matter in order to point out that when choosing the moment for producing a proposal along these lines, one thing we have to consider is whether that moment is politically opportune.
Det kan ikke være i vor interesse at vælge et forkert tidspunkt og således fremme og cementere negative eller skeptiske holdninger, så at det senere næppe vil være muligt for de pågældende medlemsstater at slippe af med dem igen, at reducere eller opgive dem.
It can serve no one's interests to choose the wrong moment and so harden negative or sceptical attitudes to such an extent as to render a subsequent relaxation or retraction by the Member State in ques tion particularly difficult.
Derimod drejer det sig om at skabe et gunstigt politisk klima for indførelse af kommunal valgret for statsborgere fra andre medlemsstater — det er et spørgsmål om ledelse og orientering — så forfatningsændringen kan gennemføres i et gunstigt klima i de medlemsstater, hvor en sådan ændring er nødvendig.
What we must aim at is, far more, the creation of a climate of political consensus, a readiness to grant electoral rights in communal elections to the citizens of other Member States — that is a matter of leading the way — in order to be able to push through, in more favourable conditions, the appropriate constitutional changes in those Member States where changes would be necessary.
Da beslutningen afviser alt kulturelt samarbejde, også det der sker på mellemstatsligt plan, vil vi — selv om der er enkelte punkter i beslutningen, som vi er enige i — stemme imod den.
Since the resolution rejects all cultural cooperation, even that pursued on an interstate basis, we shall vote against it, even though there are a few points in the resolution with which we agree.
Formanden. — Inden jeg giver ordet til fru Viehoff, vil jeg gerne minde talerne om, at de ikke kan tage ordet om selve emnet, da der her er tale om en afstemning om anmodning om afstemming snarest muligt.
President. — Before giving the floor to Mrs Viehoff, I would remind speakers that they may not speak on the substance of the matter, since we are here concerned with a vote on a request for an early vote.
Hvor vanskelig problemet i øvrigt er, fremgår også af debatten om den europæiske valgret her i Parlamentet.
The difficulties surrounding this problem have also been demonstrated by the discussion in this House on the coming elections to the European Parliament.
Vi er skuffet over resultatet sammen med alle dem, der sidder her i Parlamentet.
The outcome has been a disappointment for the Commis sion as well as for practically all the Members of this House.
På den anden side må vi konstatere, at det havde været lettere at besvare spørgsmålet om det gunstige tidspunkt for indførelsen af den kommunale valgret, hvis den ensartede valgret havde eksisteret.
It has to be admitted that a universally applicable electoral system would have made it easier to decide whether the moment was opportune for extending electoral rights in communal elections.
Viehoff (S). — (NL) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne gøre opmærksom på en fejl i den nederlandske oversættelse, hvor der tales om »Europees Fonds«, mens der menes »Europese Stichting«, og endvidere er der en fejl i tredje led: Parlamentet opførte nemlig allerede sidste år en bevilling på budgettet.
Mrs Viehoff (S). — (NL) Mr President, I wish to draw attention to an error in the Dutch translation which talks of the 'European Fund' when it means the 'European Foundation' ; and there is an inaccuracy in the third indent, as Parliament already wrote in appropriations into the budget last year.
Bortset fra de andre årsager til, at vi ikke vil stemme for denne beslutning, er det altså også en forkert beslutning.
So apart from the other reason for voting against the motion for a resolution, it is also full of mistakes.
Formanden. — Fru Viehoff, der vil blive foretaget en rettelse heraf.
President. — Mrs Viehoff, we will make the neces sary corrections.
Jeg behøver næppe at gå ind på de enkeltspørgsmål, som fru Macciocchi har berørt i sin fortrinlige betænkning, ej heller på det delikate problem om retsgrundlaget for en fællesskabsakt.
I shall forgo consideration of the individual questions outlined in Mrs Macciocchi's probing report and also the delicate issue of the legal basis of a Community act.
Hun anmoder i sit beslutningsforslag Kommissionen om at give Dem meddelelse om fremskridt i overskuelig fremtid.
The Macciocchi report's motion for a resolution urges the Commission to report on progress within the foreseeable future.