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Udover de horizontale strukturforanstaltninger, som er gældende i hele Fællesskabet, og tre afvandings- og dræningsprogrammer kan jeg måske specielt nævne Rådets forordning nr. 1820 fra 1980 om fremme af landbrugets udvikling i de ugunstigt stillede områder i det vestlige Irland, som til en vis grad er en integreret landbrugsforanstaltning.
As regards whether it will be funded by state or private capital, I have to say that when the report of the group of banks which the British and French Governments had appointed to make a study of the project was submitted last May, the two governments took differing positions.
Jeg har derfor den opfattelse, at det irske ønske falder ind under de for slag, som Kommissionen har fremlagt, og at Kom missionen allerede har accepteret, at Irland er et specielt tilfælde inden for landbrugspolitikken.
This is therefore another substantive point which can only be settled by the governments directly involved.
Anastassopoulos (PPE). — (GR) Mener Kommissionen ikke, at det er mindre vigtigt at drøfte pro grammer på mellemlang sigt og andre programmer heriblandt ogsåen tunnel under Kanalen, når Rådet endnu ikke har vedtaget en forordning om infrastrukturarbejder, og de i forvejen små bevillinger fra 1983 derfor risikerer at gå tabt?
Mr Newton Dunn (ED). — I am very surprised that Mr Cryer does not understand that building a tunnel provides lots of jobs. It is exactly the sort of project that his party is always . . .
Og når Rådet i 1985budgettet har reduceret de 111 mio til infrastrukturarbejder, som Kommissionen har anmodet om, til 31 mio?
As I have said, the Commission has proposed the inclusion in the 1985 budget of a heading which will enable the Community to give guarantees that projects will be carried through, because this is what all the contractors are looking for.
MacSharry (RDE). — (EN) Jeg må desværre erklære mig uenig med kommissæren.
Mr Newton Dunn (ED). — The question is what exactly, in the Commissioner's view, is holding up the project now?
Mener kommissæren, at et integreret program er løsningen?
Mr Contogeorgis. — (GR) I think that what is required is not the next step but the first one.
Kan han sige, om nogen forslag med dette sigte er blevet fremsat af den irske regering?
And the first step is for the governments concerned to decide to undertake the project.
Vil han positivt overveje en sådan anmodning og forsikre os, at sådanne forslag vil blive fulgt op?
This decision has not yet been taken, and so nothing can be done.
Dalsager. — Jeg kan svare bekræftende og indtil vi dere sige til hr. MacSharry, at en forudsætning er, at Rådet tager sig sammen til at vedtage Kommissionens nye forslag til en strukturpolitik for landbruget, hvilket det forhåbentlig vil gøre i dette efterår.
Mr Cryer (S). — Instead of embarking on guarantees and encouragement for a Channel Tunnel which is a massively expensive and rather fanciful project that has been considered for the past hundred years or more without any results, would it not be better for the Commission to encourage British Rail to embark on a programme of electrification of railways so that there is a creation of real longterm jobs in both railways and the steel industry?
For slaget har ligget på bordet i ganske lang tid, og vi håber meget, at det vil være muligt gennem dette for slag til landbrugsstruktupolitik også at imødekomme det ønske, som hr. MacSharry her har fremsat.
I am sure the Commission will realize that these jobs and this development which would be brought about by the electrification of British railways and which are being largely blocked by the current Conservative Government would be much appreciated and would provide many thousands of jobs.
Som De helt korrekt nævnte, er det vigtigste for øje blikket, at Rådet vedtager denne forordning, som vedrører udbetalingen af bevillingerne for 1983 og 1984. Rådet trafen beslutning desangående den 10. maj. Men desværre blev denne beslutning blokeret sammen med en større samling foranstaltninger, som også omfatter andre beslutninger vedrørende transportsektoren.
I am asking for a clarification on procedure. I had intended to ask a supplementary question, but I was told by you that one of my colleagues had already applied to you in writing for that right.
Jeg håber, der vil ske fremgang, hr. Anastassopoulos, da jeg har haft kontakt med for mandskabet og er blevet informeret om, at der vil blive afholdt møde i transportrådet i begyndelsen af november, hvor vi muligvis vil kunne fjerne forhindringerne for denne række foranstaltninger.
I think that only by the spontaneity of Question Time can we achieve answers from Commissioners resulting from their initial answers to us, and I should like guidance on this point.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 6 af MacSharry (H151/84):
Mr Contogeorgis. — (GR) I would point out to the honourable gentleman that it is not the Commission's job to tell British Rail which projects to embark on.
Om: Et integreret landbrugsstrukturprogram
In any event the Commission has proposed 111 millions.
Deler Kommissionen den opfattelse, at der bør indføres et samlet integreret landbrugsstrukturprogram for at stimulere den hårdt tiltrængte udvikling af landbruget i Irland?
President. — Sir Peter, the position is that a request was received from a member of your group to put a supplementary question before your request came in.
Dalsager, medlem af Kommissionen. — I erkendelse af de vanskeligheder, som irsk landbrug befinder sig i, har Kommissionen foreslået og Rådet godkendt en
Your name was given to me and I said that I would call you if there were not many other supplementary questions.
Dalsager. — Kommissionen har først og fremmest behov for at se de planer, som det ærede medlem omtaler.
Lady Elles has established this procedure for Question Time.
Der kan være miljøproblemer involveret i strukturpolitikken for landbrug, og de forskellige politikker må opvejes imod hinanden.
I would have been prepared to call you if there had not been a number of other people who wanted to put supplementary questions.
Når vi f.eks. laver særlige strukturforanstaltninger for Vestirland, er vi blevet kritiseret af miljøfolkene, som siger, at vi farer
You do not need to make a request in writing, but if you do wish to get a supplementary question in, it is advisable to speak to one of the members of the services before Question Time starts.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 7 af Fitzgerald (H152/84):
Sir Peter Vanneck (ED). satisfactory.
Det er Kommissionen parat til at gøre, men vi må nok se, hvad det er for nogle forslag, det ærede medlem tænker på, før vi tager beslutningen.
If you wish to take it any further, make a written request for this procedure to be studied by the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions. tions.
Er Kommissionen bekendt med, at afskaffelsen af tilskuddene til inseminering og anvendelse afkalk i Irland har medført tab af et betydeligt antal job?
In addition to the horizontal structural measures which apply to . the whole Community and three drainage programmes, I might perhaps mention in particular Council Regula tion No 1820 of 1980 to promote agricultural develop ment in disadvantaged areas in the West of Ireland, which is to a certain extent an integrated agricultural measure.
Er Kommissionen endvidere enig i, at disse to ordninger først var begyndt at give positive resultater på tidspunktet for deres afskaffelse, hvilket berettigede til at fortsætte dem?
Moreover, Article 18 of the Commission's proposal for a new structural policy clearly stipulates that measures to deal with problems in disadvantaged regions should be more regionally oriented to ensure that the Community's resources are concentrated in the new regions.
Er der nogen konkrete forslag fra den irske regering? Hvor meget vil de koste?
Mr MacSharry (RDE). — I am afraid I have to disagree with the Commissioner.
Jeg kan derfor ikke i dag give et afgørende svar, men jeg kan sige, at Kommissionen i øjeblikket positivt overvejer at videreføre de programmer, som der her er tale om, helt eller delvis.
Would he give positive consideration to such a request and assure us that action would be taken on such proposals?
Fitzgerald (RDE). — (EN) Må jeg i betragtning af udsigten til yderligere tab af arbejdspladser i de kom mende vintermåneder spørge om vi kan forvente nye forslag om eller fortsættelse af disse foranstaltninger ret snart, om der er søgt om deres fortsættelse, og hvornår det i bekærftende fald er sket?
Mr Contogeorgis. — (GR) Replying to Mr Anastassopoulos, I would like to say this.
Dalsager. — I forbindelse med de integrerede pro grammer taler vi ikke kun om landbrug, men om en række andre forslag, der indgår i disse integrerede programmer, og som kan have med landbrugsturisme, fiskeri, infrastruktur osv. at gøre.
The Commission thinks that the plan for the medium term should have precedence and that writing credits into the budget each year for disbursement according to ad hoc criteria is not the proper way to do things.
Man kan derfor ikke i en spørgetid afgøre, hvilke programmer man skal fremme, og hvilke man skal undersøge nærmere.
We have therefore put before the Council a basic regulation, which has not yet been approved, for determining the procedure whereby the credits included in the budget will be dis bursed.
Det har vi ikke taget stilling til, men mange af de programmer, som vi allerede har gen nemført, har været gældende for republikken Irland og for den del af Irland, som tilhører Det forenede Kongerige.
In addition, we have put forward in the past, and are now finalizing, a medium-term programme of infrastructure projects in the Community for implementation within the framework of the credits written into the budget.
Dalsager. — Det program, som vi har gennemført og afsluttet, var egentlig et program, som skulle afhjælpe indkomstnedgangen for de irske landmænd på dette specielle område, dvs. at de skulle have mulighed for at forbedre deres økonomiske situation.
Mr Dalsager. — (DA) The answer is, yes, and for the moment I can say to Mr MacSharry that one of the conditions is that the Council should meet to approve the Commission's new proposal on a structural policy for agriculture.
Jeg har ingen datoer, som jeg kan give det ærede medlem, men jeg kan sige, at Kommissionen tjenestegrene i øjeblikket er i færd med at gennemarbejde problemet, og vi vil inden for meget kort tid fremsætte vore tanker og vore ideer med hensyn til en eventuel videreførelse af dette pro gram.
The proposal has been on the table for a long time, and we greatly hope that this proposal on agricultural structural policy will make it possible to com ply with Mr MacSharry's request.
Er der herunder også taget hensyn til, at virksomheder i Irland — som det allerede også er til fældet her — bevidst hjælpes større vækst, idet man fremmer dem gennem subventioner, hvilket så på den anden side betyder, at små og mellemstore land mænd — allerede nu 250 000 om året i EF — må give op?
Unfortunately, however, this decision was incorporated within a wider package of measures involving other decisions to do with the transport sector. I am hopeful of progress, Mr Anastassopoulos, because from contact with the presidency I have learned that there is to be a meeting of the Transport Council at the beginning of November when, in all likelihood, we shall be able to free this package of measures.
Clinton (PPE). — (EN) Bare for at hjælpe kommissæren i hans overvejelser af dette problem vil jeg gerne spørge ham, om han er klar over, at kravet om kalk for at få en fornuftig balance i jorden i visse dele af Irland kan svinge mellem 8 og 15 t pr. ha, og at udgiften er meget betydelig?
Mr Roelants du Vivier (ARC). — (FR) As Mr MacSharry's question raises the problem of the environmentally sensitive rural areas, I should like to know whether the Commission is aware, and if so, what it thinks of, the recent proposals by the British Govern ment for improving the working of agricultural structures, which are aimed, particularly within the frame work of the common agricultural policy, at adopting specific measures in favour of rural zones which are particularly sensitive environmentally, through special aid for these zones.
Jeg taler her om områder i Irland, hvor jorbundsforholdene er meget dårlige.
Subject: Integrated agricultural structures pro gramme
Dalsager. — Jeg vil tillade mig at anmode det ærede medlem om at læse Kommissionens nye forslag til landbrugsstrukturprogrammer.
Mr Dalsager. — (DA) The Commission needs first of all to see the plans referred to by the honourable Member.
Dalsager. — Ja, jeg er klar over det. Hvis den irske regering anmoder om at få en sådan ordning iværksat, vil vi være meget positive; hr. Clinton kunne måske introducere et ønske fra den irske regering om fortsættelse af dette program, men det er klart, at Kommissionen arbejder under den forudsætning, at
Does the Commission agree that in order to stimulate the much-needed development of agriculture in Ireland a coherent integrated agricultural structures programme should be introduced?
Taylor (ED). — (EN) Jeg vil gerne bede kommissæren definere tydeligere, hvad der er formålet med dis se tilskud.
President. — Question No 7, by Mr Fitzgerald (H152/84): submit important structural measures for West Ireland, we are criticized by the environmentalists, who say that we are acting detrimentally to the environment, fauna, wild birds, etc.
Hvis det er det sidste, kan han så sige os, for hvilke varer det er i Fællesskabets interesse at forbedre landbrugsproduktiviteten i republikken Irland?
The Commission is prepared to do this, but we still have to see the nature of the proposals the honourable Member has in mind before we take a decision.
Dalsager. — Når man dyrker mere græs, behøver man ikke at købe så meget importeret foderstof.
Mr Taylor (ED). — When we talk vaguely about coherent integrated agricultural structures, do we know what we are really talking about?
Det te alene er svar nok på det spørgsmål, som her er rejst.
Are there any specific proposals from the Irish Government?
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 8 af Quin (H-95/84):
How much are they going to cost?
Endelig har Kommissionen bestræbt sig for at ud strække den aftale, der i OECD-regie er indgået om at fordele byrderne fra krisen i verdensskibsfarten rimeligt, til lande som Korea og insisteret på, at også disse lande tilslutter sig en sådan konvention. Om det imidlertid vil lykkes, er for øjeblikket ikke til at for udsige.
Is the Commission aware that the termination of the artificial insemination and lime subsidies in Ireland has caused the loss of a considerable number of jobs, and furthermore does the Commission agree that these two schemes were only beginning to show positive results when they were terminated, thereby justifying their continuation?
Det forlyder, at Kommissionen under forhandlinger med Sydkorea har anmodet Sydkorea om at føre en »rimelig« politik vedrørende skibsbygning og har givet udtryk for bekymring over ekspansionen inden for koreansk skibsbygning.
I cannot, therefore, for the moment give a definitive answer, but I can say that the Commission is currently giving sympathetic consideration to reintroducing the programmes fully or in part.
Hvad finder Kommissionen vil være en »rimelig« andel af det internationale skibsbygningsmarked for Fællesskabet?
Mr Fitzgerald (RDE). — In view of the possibility of further job-losses during the coming winter months, can we expect the reintroduction or the continuation of these measures from an early date, has application been made for their continuation, and, if so, when was that application made?
Quin (S). — (EN) Jeg lyttede nøje til de tal, komissæren netop har givet os, men kan Kommissionen be kræfte, at alle EF-landenes samlede andel for øjeblik ket stadig er betydelig mindre end Sydkoreas?
Mr Dalsager. — (DA) Where the integrated pro gramme is concerned, we are talking not only about agriculture but also about a series of different proposals which form part of this integrated programme and which can affect agriculture, tourism, fisheries, infrastructures, etc.
Mener Kommissionen, at det er tilfredsstillende, at Fælles skabets andel er så lille, når Japan, som det blev påpeget, behersker 55% af markedet?
Therefore it is impossible to state during Question Time which programmes we should go ahead with and which need to be studied more closely.
Endelig sagde Kommissionen i sit dokument, at det var vigtigt for EFs søværts handel at fastholde en konkurrencedygtig og tilstrækkelig stor skibsbygningsindustri.
Any programme put forward by the Irish Government will be studied very carefully by the Commission and, depending on the budgetary resources available, the Commission will, as I said, be prepared to consider what can be done with a view to an integrated pro gramme for the Republic of Ireland or for the island of Ireland as a whole.
Hvad er definitionen af »tilstrækkelig« og »konkurrencedygtig« i det tilfælde?
We have not finalized our position on that, but many of the programmes which have already been approved have been applicable to the Republic of Ireland and to that part of Ireland which belongs to the United Kingdom.
Andriessen, medlem af Kommissionen. — (NL) Kom missionen har tidligere gentagne gange haft kontakt med repræsentanter såvel for myndighederne som er hvervslivet i Korea, hvor man bl.a. også talte om problemerne vedrørende skibsbyggeriet.
Mrs Piermont (ARC). — (DE) The question under discussion speaks of improving agricultural structures, and you have just enumerated measures that you want to take to achieve this aim.
I den forbin delse insisterede Kommissionen i generelle vendringer over for de koreanske myndigheder og det ko reanske erhvervsliv på, at man gjorde sig sit internationale ansvar på dette område klart, i betragtning af at Korea gradvis havde kunnet erhverve sig en betydelig markedsandel i denne sektor.
Is it your intention that in Ireland, as here, farms are to be driven deliberately into further growth by means of subsidies with the result that small and mediumsized farms have to give up, as 250 000 farmers in these categories are already having to do every year in the Community?
Kommissionen har derfor søgt at bevæge Korea til en vis pristilpasning, altså en prisforhøjelse, samt et be grænset stop for en kapacitetsudvidelse i skibsbygningssektoren.
Mr Dalsager. — (DA) The programme which we introduced and terminated was, in fact, intended to help offset the drop in income of Irish farmers in this field and so enable them to improve their economic situation.
Hvad det sidste punkt angår, kan jeg sige, at Korea for nylig har givet udtryk for en vis beredvillighed.
Although the programme has now expired, we are considering renewing it for a further period.
Andriessen. — (NL) Ifølge de tal, som jeg har her, var Fællesskabets andel i 1983 i nye ordrer 10,3%. Dette er omtrent det samme tal, som det jeg netop har angivet for Korea, selv om dette tal udviser en vis stigningstendens.
Mr Dalsager. — (DA) I would ask the honourable Member to read the Commission's new proposal for an agricultural structure programme.
Der er derfor god grund til at undersøge, på hvilken måde Fællesskabets skibsbygningsindustri kan gøres mere konkurrencedygtig i forhold til den internationale konkurrence.
I believe that the honourable Member and, indeed the other Members of Parliament, will find it very useful to study the Commission's new pro posals concerning the agricultural structure pro-
Men det kan absolut ikke være andet end noget midlertidigt, for en løsning af spørgsmålet skal efter Kommissionens mening ikke søges i en markedsdeling — en markedsdeling er jo ikke andet end bekæmpelse af symptomerne — men må søges i en mere strukturel indgriben, hvad angår Fællesskabets skibsbygningsindudstris konkurrencemæssige efterslæb.
Mr Clinton (PPE). — Just to help the Commissioner in his consideration of this problem, I would like to ask him if he is aware that in certain parts of Ireland the lime requirement to get a reasonable balance in the soil can be anything from about eight tonnes to fifteen tonnes per hectare and that the expense is very substantial.
Det er naturligvis ikke muligt at angive et konkret tal for, hvad der nu er en rimelig og rentabel andel for EFs skibsbygningsindustri i verdens skibsbygningsindustri.
In the event of this subsidy being removed for all time, the prospects of getting the soil limed is very remote indeed.
Der findes rentable værfer i Fællesskabet. Der findes urentable.
I am talking now about areas in Ireland where soil conditions are very poor.
Dette betyder, at vore muligheder for at øve indflydelse på denne sektor i tredjelande er yderst begrænsede.
Perhaps Mr Clinton could introduce the Irish Govern ment's request for the continuation of the programme, but the Commission's action is contingent on receiving the necessary information on this problem from the Irish Government.
Jeg ser da heller ikke nogen mulighed for her at sige: 15% eller 20% eller noget tilsvarende. Det skal kunne garantere eller muliggøre EF-skibsbyg-ningsindustriens rentabilitet.
In itself, that is considerable for a country like Korea, but it cannot be regarded as constituting a dominant position on the world market: compare, for example, the share of Japan, which, with 55%, is an entirely different matter.
Det er klart, at en vis minimal omsætning er nødvendig.
Is it to improve farmers' income, which we would welcome, or is it indeed to increase productivity where certain agricultural commodities are concerned?
Jeg har sagt, at det efter min opfattelse ville være rimeligt og furnuftigt at stile efter den gennemsnitlige procentsats, der blev opnået i perioden 1976/1982, dvs. cirka 17-18%.
If it is the latter, could he tell us in the case of what com modities it is in the interests of the Community to increase agricultural productivity in the Republic of Ireland?
Det er betydeligt mindre, end det førhen var tilfældet.
Mr Dalsager. — (DA) The more grass we grow, the less imported foodstuff we need to buy.
Ulbrughs (NI). — (NL) Har Kommissionen som led i denne anstændige skibsbygningspolitik undersøgt den eventuelt illoyale konkurrence i forbindelse med lave lønomkostninger, asociale arbejdsforhold, ringe social sikkerhed og mangel på demokratiske instanser?
In its communication to the Council, the Commission has given a target figure for the Community's share of the world market, but this part of the Commission's ideas has not been taken over by the Council.
Hvad kan Kommissionen gøre i Fællesskabet?
President. — Question No 8, by Miss Quin (H-95/ 84):
Hvad Kommissionen har gjort, er at præcisere, hvilke betingelser der må opfyldes for at gøre Fællesskabets skibsbygningsindustri til en mere konkurrencedygtig erhvervsgren.
It has been reported that in negotiations with South Korea, the European Commission has requested South Korea to follow a 'reasonable' policy in shipbuilding and has expressed concern about Korean shipbuilding expansion.
Herom har der i Parlamentet i den forløbne periode været ført mange, forhandlinger. Og ikke alene i Parlamentet, også i det kompetente udvalg har der flere gange været ført drøftelser. Vi har henvist til fordelene ved videre gående produktivitet, til fordelene ved specialisering på bestemte områder.
Finally, the Commission has attempted to extend to countries like Korea the agreement concluded within the OECD aimed at a fair distribution of the effects of the present world crisis in shipbuilding and has urged that these countries, too, should sign a convention of this kind.
Et par spørgsmål i denne forbindelse: Hvorledes agter man at udrydde den illoyale konkurrence mellem Fællesskabet og Sydkorea?
What does the Commission consider would be a 'reasonable' share for the Community in the world shipbuilding market?
Andriessen. — (NL) I sig selv mener jeg ikke, at den kendsgerning, at forskellige producerende lande arbejder med forskellige produktionsomkostninger, er et eksempel på illoyal konkurrence.
Miss Quin (S). — I listened carefully to the figures that the Commission has just given us, but can the Commission confirm that the combined share of all the EEC countries is still considerably less than that of South Korea at the present time?