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Dalsager også Deres kolleger har foretaget, hvorefter første afstemning er retningsgivende for de efterfølgende afstemninger.
Mr Aigner, it may well be possible for the Christian-Democrats to adopt different positions on the same matter.
Vi kan derfor ikke først tiltræde forordningen og så stemme imod den i forslaget til beslutning.
We have already decided that we are against the introduction of guarantee thresholds, how then can we now decide that we are against it ?
(Afbrydelse afAigner) med landbrugsafgifter.
(Mixed reactions)
Hr. Aigner, det kan godt være, at de kristelige demo­krater er i stand til at indtage forskellige holdninger til samme sag.
It is more a question of how we manage this market and this production in future.
Vi har imidlertid netop besluttet, at vi er for indførelse af garantitærskler; hvorledes kan vi så nu beslutte, at vi er imod?
We should realize that, when we look at other sectors in which we have intro duced production thresholds and at what we are now doing to get production under control, the Community has acted too late. I think therefore that for the
De har da netop stemt for, hvorledes kan De så nu stemme imod?
Debates of the European Parliament
Det er da helt ulogisk!
No 1-309/293
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok.
President. — The next item is a report (Doc.
1­1378/83) af Tolman for land­brugsudvalget over forslag fra Kommissionen til Rådet (dok.
1-1378/83) by Mr Tolman, on behalf of the Committee on Agriculture, on the proposal from the Commission of the European Communities to the Council (Doc.
1­1406/83 — KOM(83) 659 endel.) til forordning om ændring af forordning (EØF) nr. 2759/75 om den fælles markedsordning for svinekød.
1-1406/83 — COM(83) 659 final) for a regulation amending Regulation (EEC) No 2759/75 on the common organization of the market in pigmeat.
Provan (ED). — (EN) Jeg har et spørgsmål til Kommissionen, også i tilslutning til denne udtalelse, hr. formand.
Mr Eyraud (S). — (FR) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, as the rapporteur has just said, we have spoken at length in committee about the pigmeat industry.
Punkt 3, første tankestreg, i Ligiosbe­tænkningen siger ganske klart: »Det er ikke et over­skudsprodukt«.
If it is in crisis in the United Kingdom, the same is true throughout the Community.
Kan Kommissionen nu fortælle os klart og tydeligt, om det er et overskudsprodukt eller ikke?
The result is a crisis in production, one which is linked only marginally with the soil, but is greatly dependent on imports of proteins into the Community.
Hele betænkningen afhænger i virkeligheden heraf.
I think therefore it would be helpful if the Commission could draw up a report on the common organization of the market in pigmeat.
Det ville være en skam, om hele grundlaget for betænkningen blev utroværdigt, hvilket ville drage hr. Ligios' egen troværdighed i tvivl.
I would have been happier, for my part, if Parliament had had to adopt a position on the whole range of problems posed by the production, processing and marketing of pigmeat and not simply on the one issue of the British industry.
Tolman (PPE), ordfører. — (NL) Hr. formand, denne betænknings oprindelse har egentlig været, at vore ærede kollega, hr. Cottrell, for nogen tid siden stil­lede et beslutningsforslag om krisen i den britiske svinekødsindustri.
Mr Tolman (PPE), rapporteur. — (NL) Mr President, this report was really drawn up because some time ago Mr Cottrell tabled a motion for a resolution on the crisis in the British pigmeat industry.
Han satte hermed to problemer på dagsordenen: for det første denne sektors vanskelige stilling i Det forenede Kongerige og for det andet den situation, at interventionskorn ikke eller kun i meget ringe omfang stilledes til rådighed for vor egen industri, men nok selvfølgelig var til rådighed til lavere priser i lande uden for Fællesskabet.
In his motion he referred to two problems : firstly, the difficult position of this sector in the United Kingdom and, secondly, the fact that little or no intervention grain was available to the domestic industry although it was, of course, available at lower prices in countries outside the Community.
Denne problematisk har fået en almen karakter.
Common sense dictates that our Assembly accept the amendment that I have tabled to this effect.
Kommissionens medlemmer har sagt, at der i de forskellige medlemsstater egentlig bestod en lignende situation: i hver enkelt medlemsstat har man at gøre med den samme problematik og også med stagna­tionen i afsætningen.
If this is not done, I feel nevertheless that account should be taken of the difficulties of producers and downstream industries throughout the Community.
Det skal vi jo være opmærksom på.
These have become general problems.
Forslag til beslutning: Punkt 3 og 4
I have issued clear warn ings in this respect, because we are aware of the opportunities for rapid growth in these sectors.
Gautier (S). — (DE) I første afstemning tiltrådte vi Kommissionens forordning.
The producers have organized themselvers into effective and much-needed groups.
Den forudser også ind­førelse af garantitærskler, og derfor er vi imod dette punkt i hr. Ligios' tekst.
In France and in other Member States we have witnessed the appearance of parallel markets which have only worsened the crisis.
Jeg vil gerne minde Dem om forretningsordenens udlægning, som hr. Danken og
Far more sensitive to price variations than the traditional markets, they swing much more quickly in one direction or the other, accentuating a price trend which has always been cyclical in pigmeat production.
Vi kender to former for oplagring, offentlig oplagring og privat oplagring.
I am also grateful to the Commission for heeding my words.
Jeg tænker i alminde­lighed på fjerkræsektoren, jeg tænker på svinesek­toren, hvor der er særdeles hurtige formeringsmulig­heder til stede.
Measures which have not functioned, or have not needed to function, for a number of years — and the Commissioner will undoubtedly confirm that this is so — do not need to be perpetuated.
Det har jeg udtrykkeligt advaret imod, for vi kender de hurtige formeringsmuligheder i denne sektor.
I would therefore draw your attention to this point, which is undoubtedly an important aspect of the various proposals on which we shall shortly be voting.
Producenterne er blevet tvunget til at organisere sig i effektive og påkrævede organisationer.
look at the situation with a view to encouraging the disposal of some skimmed-milk powder.
Vi har i Frankrig og i andre medlemsstater været vidner til frem komsten af opsplittede markeder, som paradoksalt nok har tendens til at skærpe krisen.
It would mean a saving of energy in the Community generally, it would mean a reduction in intervention stocks and it could alleviate the particular difficulties of the pig farmers.
Jeg er også taknemlig for, at Kommissionen har lyttet til denne stemme.
The pig industry in Ireland is in a very serious situation.
Jeg vil gerne opholde mig ved endnu ét punkt, nemlig der, hvor Kommissionen kommer med forslaget om at ophæve interventionsforanstaltningerne til offentlig oplagring og offentlig opkøb: det har min tilslutning.
It is probably unique in the Community in that it is a very new industry. While it has always existed, it has been established anew in the past 10 years on borrowed capital — and extremely well, I may say.
Foranstaltninger, som egenlig i en årrække — og kommissæren vil sikken bekræfte det — ikke har fungeret eller ikke behøvede at fungere, skal man heller ikke fortsætte med. Dem må man slå en streg over, for det fremmer klarheden.
A report carried out on behalf of the Commission, I believe, called the Pearce report, said that the Irish pig industry at farmgate level was the most efficient in the Community, probably in the world — and I think Pig International has recently said the same thing.
Jeg vil derfor gerne endnu engang fæstne opmærksomheden på dette punkt, som vel nok udgør en vigtig del af de forskellige forslag, som vi straks skal stemme om.
If the most efficient industry in the world is in trouble, well, we have to acknowledge that the industry is in serious difficulty throughout Europe.
Kunne vi nu ikke langt om længe tage den med i vore overvejelser?
We are speaking, in Ireland, of an industry that is losing in every sector, both at farm level and at factory level.
(Bifald fra venstrefløjen)
This cannot continue.
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As is pointed out in the report, it is the direct result of the cereal policies of this Community.
McCartin (PPE). — (EN) Hr. formand, for mange år siden plejede små jordbrugere i det land, jeg repræsenterer, at omtale dette ydmyge lille dyr som »den herre, der betaler forpagtningsafgiften«.
Because we are farther away from the market we have not succeeded in receiving the benefit of the cheap cereal substitutes that have been imported in the past, and today, if those are to be sought in Ireland, they are, in fact, as expensive as ordinary cereals.
Eyraud (S). — (FR) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, som ordføreren netop sagde, har vi i udvalget længe talt om svinekødsproduktionen.
I would ask the Commission to look carefully for some solution in the short term to the serious problems that we have because we are talking here about an entire industry and all the jobs that are involved, both at the processing level and also for farmers.
Hvis den er i krise i Storbritannien, er den det også i hele Fælles skabet.
If the industry loses a considerable amount of its production, the European consumer in the long term will pay for this in increased prices.
Deraf følger en krise i produktionen, som er en af dem, der er mindst bundet til jorden, men som derimod er meget afhængig af import af proteiner til Fællesskabet.
We have seen this in the past. If the industry is once destroyed, it is the consumer in the end who will pay to rebuild it.
Derfor ville det have forekommet mig hensigtsmæssigt, at Kommissionen udarbejdede en rapport om den fælles markedsordning for svinekød.
The problem we have, particularly in Ireland, is that this year's grain prices were higher than intervention prices by something like £10 per tonne — 15 units of account per tonne — and, of course, because the Republic of Ireland is self-sufficient in grains, but the island of Ireland is not, we have a situation in which feed prices in Ireland, because of the cost of transport from the main markets on the continent to Ireland, is a further £10 — i.e. 15 units of account — per tonne higher than in the rest of the Community.
For mit vedkommende ville jeg have foretrukket, at Parlamentet havde udtalt sig om samtlige de problemer, der er foranlediget af produktion, forarbejdning og afsætning af svinekød, og ikke kun om de specielle forhold for den britiske produktion.
We have had higher interest rates and, because of the borrowing I referred to earlier, today the industry is losing per animal produced something like 15 units of account.
Den er formodentlig enestående inden for Fælles skabet i den forstand, at det er en meget ny industri.
In earlier years what would have happened, of course, is that the less-committed farmers would have ceased to produce and this would regulate the market.
Den har altid eksisteret, men i løbet af de sidste 10 år er den blevet nyetableret med lånt kapital — og med et særdeles godt resultat, kan jeg tilføje.
In Ireland today those who are involved in the industry cannot cease to produce because that would mean bankruptcy.
Hvis dette ikke er tilfældet, mener jeg ikke desto mindre, at det er vigtigt at tage hensyn til vanskelighederne for producenterne og for svinekødsproduktionen i hele Fællesskabet.
There are perhaps one or two paragraphs I will vote against because I think we should have taken a broader view of the problem rather than simply looking at it from the United Kingdom's point of view.
Alle ved faktisk, at svinekødsproducenterne i øjeblikket vækker stort postyr, navnlig på landevejene.
Mr Patterson (ED). — Mr President, I very rarely, if ever, speak in debates about agriculture.
Det problem, vi særlig i Irland plages af, er, at dette års kornpriser lå højere end interventionspriserne, med en difference på omkring £ 10 pr. ton — 15 RE pr. ton — og da Republikken Irland er selvforsynende med korn, medens øen Irland ikke er det, har vi naturligvis nu en situation, hvor foderpriserne i Irland på grund af transportomkostningerne fra hovedmarkederne på kontinentet til Irland ligger yderligere £ 10 — dvs. 15 RE — højere end i resten af Fællesskabet.
It is an extremely difficult situation, and while the report has underlined the problems in Britain, we have, I honestly think, more serious problems in Ireland and we do have regular importation of pigs from the United Kingdom — live pigs for slaughter in Ireland — which tends to depress the market.
Vi har haft højere rentesatser, og på grund af de lån, jeg allerede har omtalt, mister denne industri i dag omtrent 15 RE pr produceret dyr.
At the moment that trade is legal — very often in the past it was not legal.
Det er en meget alvorlig situation, og man spekulerer på, hvor længe den kan fortsætte.
But it does tend to depress the market for pigs in Ireland.
Tidligere ville der selv følgelig være sket det, at de landmænd, der var mindre afhængige af svineproduktionen, ville have indstillet den, og dette ville have reguleret markedet.
Another problem is that in Britain you have the use of by-products in the form of skimmed-milk powder and the subsidy paid by. the Commission for the disposal of the same seems to be sufficient to attract that.
Men de, der i dag er involverende i denne produktion i Irland, kan ikke holde op at producere, for så går de fallit.
In Ireland it does not, and no by-products — with the sole exception of whey — are used in the production of pigmeat ; skimmed milk certainly is not.
Deres eneste håb er at fortsætte med den størst mulige produktion.
I think that is a pity and the Commission should
Det er en yderst vanskelig situation, og medens betænkningen har understreget problemerne i Storbritannien, så tror jeg helt ærligt, at vi har mere alvor-
As Commissioner Dalsager knows, about 30 pig farmers in my constituency will be visiting him next week in order to explain to him precisely what the difficulties are.
Men man må vide, at blot 2 til 3 procents yderligere produktion fører til en prisnedgang på ca. 20 til 30 % hos producenterne, hvilket fremkalder en forståelig vrede.
It seems to me the problems are exactly what economics would tell you. It is a precept in economics that distortions spread.
lige problemer i Irland, og vi har faktisk en regulær import af svinekød fra Det forenede Kongerige — levende svin til slagtning i Irland — hvilket som oftest svækker markedet.
This, of course, is a distortion which is killing off the industry, not only in Ireland but in the United Kingdom as well.
For tiden er denne handel lovlig — tidligere har den ofte været ulovlig. Men den har en tendens til at svække markedet for svin i Irland.
In Denmark too, there are great difficulties which Mr Tolman draws attention to.
Som hr. Dalsager ved, vil ca. 30 svineavlere fra min valgkreds besøge ham i næste uge for at forklare ham præcis, hvori vanskelighederne består.
producers even harder as a result of a rise in feed costs, which in turn is mainly due to the rise in the price of soya on the world market.
Det fore kommer mig, at problemerne er nøjagtig hvad man kan forvente ¡følge økonomisk teori. Det er en grundsætning inden for økonomien, at forvridninger breder sig.
The combination of falling pig prices and rising feed costs has had disas trous consequences for the profitability of pig farming in many of the Member States of the Community, probably all of them.
Det, min kollega, hr. Cottrell, har påpeget, er, at den måde, hvorpå vi har organiseret vort korn marked og vore svinekødsmarkeder inden for EF, fører til en situation, hvor vi subsidierer vore konkurrenter.
And the situation has been exacerbated still further by health problems and the distortion they have introduced into the trade, all of which has increased the pessimism and nervousness of the farmers.
I Irland gør man det ikke, og der bliver ikke anvendt nogen biprodukter ved produktionen af svinekød, bortset fra valle, og da slet ikke skummetmælk.
This is a problem which we recognize to be a Community problem, and if we did not know that, the speech by Mr McCartin would have pointed this out.
Det synes jeg er en skam, og Kommissionen burde se på situationen og opmuntre til salg af noget skummetmælkspulver. Det ville betyde, at man kunne spare energi i Fællesskabet som helhed, det ville føre til en reduktion af interventionslagrene, og det kunne lette svinekødsproducenternes specielle vanskelig heder.
This is a problem which sooner or later will affect all pig producers throughout the European Community.
Jeg vil derfor gerne gøre det helt klart, at min gruppe ikke beder om særbehandling af Det forenede Konge rige.
In this situation, the Commission has mobilized the instruments at its disposal for the management of the market.
Vi anerkender, at dette er et problem for hele Fællesskabet, og hvis vi ikke havde vidst det før, så ville hr. McCartins indlæg have oplyst os derom.
Protection against low-price imports from third countries has been extended by supplementary amounts added to the normal import duties.
Dette er et problem, som før eller senere vil berøre alle svineproducenter i hele Fællesskabet.
The export refund for slaughtered carcasses has been increased to the highest practicable level and, finally, support for private storage was introduced in mid-January this year.
Derfor har jeg en del spørgsmål til hr. Dalsager.
Therefore, I have a number of questions to ask Commissioner Dalsager.
Først vil jeg gerne takke ham for den begrænsede mængde af interventionskorn, som nu stilles til rådighed.
First of all I would like to thank him for the limited provision of intervention grain which is now being made available.
Jeg vil bede ham om — og jeg tror, hr. Tolmans betænkning antyder det samme — at tingene ikke må få lov at flyde, så det bliver for sent igen.
I would ask him — and I think Mr Tolman's report suggests this — that this must not be allowed to drift on so that it is too late again.
Kan vi få en forsikring om, at der altid vil være interventionskorn til rådighed på systematisk basis hvis den slags problemer, som nu er opstået, skulle opstå igen i fremtiden.
Can we have a pledge that intervention grain will always be available on a systematic basis if such problems as have arisen now arise again in the future.
Det andet spørgsmål, jeg gerne vil stille, drejer sig om flydende skummetmælk, som hr. McCartin har gjort opmærksom på.
The second question I would like to ask is about liquid skimmed milk, which Mr McCartin drew attention to.
Hvordan er situationen her?
What is the position here ?
Vil hr. Dalsager også se på forsyningen med flydende skummetmælk, som også er et foderstof.
Will Commissioner Dalsager also look at the provision of liquid skimmed milk, which is another element of feed.
Det har vi før set.
What Mr McCartin says is quite true.
Hvis industrien først er ødelagt, bliver det i sidste ende forbrugerne, der kommer til at betale for at få den genopbygget.
If you allow the pig industry to decline and die because of distortions in the market, it is the consumer in the end who will pay by higher pig prices.
Afslutningsvis vil jeg gerne tilslutte mig, hvad hr. McCanin har sagt.
The situation is thus already showing encouraging signs.
Da jeg studerede økonomi, lærte jeg noget om, hvad der kaldes »svinekødsspiralen«.
Price quotations for pigmeat are stabilizing, as also prices of raw materials both in third countries and in the Community.
Den var vistnok opfundet af en tysk økonom og viste, at udsving i svinekødspriserne blev større og større, med mindre der blev gjort noget ved det.
We do not know as yet whether this is just a breathing space or whether the market has started to improve.
Det, som hr. McCartin siger, er helt sandt.
In order to determine this, it is necessary to have the very latest production estimates, and these are not yet available.
Hvis man tillader svinekødssektoren at sygne hen på grund af forvridninger af markedet, så er det i sidste ende forbrugerne, der kommer til at betale med højere svinekødspriser.
In this sector the market can only be brought into balance by adjusting supply to the relatively stable demand which exists.
Man kan ikke starte en hel industri igen, hvis man har tilladt den at sygne hen.
Balance is thus only possible through a certain cutback in production in the medium term.
Hr. formand, jeg støtter det meste af betænkningen.
We are in agreement with the Tolman report in rejecting an increase in the guarantee in this sector.
Så jeg beder hr. Dalsager tage alt dette meget alvor ligt og svare på mine spørgsmål.
So I ask Mr Dalsager to take this very seriously and to answer my questions.
Min gruppe vil stort set støtte betænkningen.
My group will broadly be supporting the report.
Patterson (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg taler sjældent, om nogensinde, under forhandlinger om land
We note the position taken in the report with regard to the Commission's proposal to abolish intervention in the form of public purchases.
Dalsager, medlem af Kommissionen. — Hr. formand, svinekødsmarkedet i Fællesskabet gennemgår, som
Mr Dalsager, Member of the Commission. — (DA) Mr President, the pigmeat market in the Community, as has been pointed out by a number of the preceding speakers, is passing through a grave crisis resulting from a sharp drop in prices of slaughtered pigs. The level of prices is now 9 % below that of January 1983.
Vi tror, at denne ændring kan berolige de svinekødproducenter, der føler sig lidt uretfærdigt behandlet under den nuværende ordning.
But I feel that now, before the end of the marketing season, we do not need any fresh debates on this subject during this part-session.
Må jeg tilføje, hr. formand, at med hensyn til de forskellige punkter i forslaget er Kommissionen ikke enig i punkterne 1, 7 og 9.
We must take the vote now, Mr President, of that I am convinced as rapporteur.
Prisen ligger nu 9 % under priserne fra januar 19.83.
lated, which would reduce them by half.
Og dette fald skyldes en stigning i udbuddet, som det interne marked ikke længere kan aftage, samtidig med at eksportmulighederne er begrænsede.
We believe that this change may allay the fears of the pigmeat market producers, who feel somewhat unfairly treated under the present system.
Denne krise rammer producenterne endnu hårdere som følge af, at foderomkostningerne vokser, hvilket især hænger sammen med prisstigningen for soja på verdensmarkedet.
May I add, Mr President, that with regard to the various points in the proposal, the Commission does not agree with points 1, 7 and 9.
Må jeg endelig sige til hr. Patterson, at jeg ikke tror, det vil være rimeligt, om jeg afgav et løfte her en sen fredag formiddag om permanent at stille interventionskorn til rådighed til lave priser for svinekødsproducenterne.
May I finally say to Mr Patterson that I do not think it would be reasonable if I gave a promise here, at this late time on Friday morning, that intervention grain would be permanently available to pigmeat producers at low prices.
En sådan forpligtelse kan jeg naturligvis ikke påtage mig at indgå uden en meget bedre forberedelse af sagen, og vi kan ikke diskutere en sådan permanent ordning.
I cannot of course enter into such a commitment without much better preparation of the matter, and we cannot discuss a permanent arrange ment of that kind.
Jeg kan bestemt ikke afgive løfte om, at Kommissionen til enhver tid vil være parat til at stille midler til rådighed til noget sådant.
I certainly cannot promise that the Commission will be prepared at any time to make resources available for such an undertaking.
Vi tager enhver situation op, når den foreligger, og vurderer den.
We look into any situation when it arises and evaluate it.
I denne situation har Kommissionen mobiliseret de instrumenter, den råder over i forbindelse med markedsordningen.
Motion for a resolution : Paragraph rejection of Amendment No 13