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Jeg vil ikke glemme at navne, at det er meget sørge ligt for mange efterladte, når de udover de belastninger, de har været udsat for, må konstatere, at f.eks. pensionskrav bliver behandlet meget langsom meligt, så de ofte må igennem en lang ventetid, før de får en sådan pension. Det samme gælder for invalidepension.
I concede that the opinion of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs is bound into that report, but having studied the report most carefully with my colleagues, I have come to the conclusion that the Committee on Social Affairs and Employment has not taken account of it.
Kommissionen formår dog her at tage et fælles skridt og at komme væk fra princippet med bilaterale overenskomster, der netop ikke udelukker en diskriminering af grænsearbejdstagerne.
I must, however, make an important reservation, one that applies more to the procedures of this Parliament than the substance of the report.
Det er en stor fortjeneste — og derfor har udvalget for sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse også billiget dette forslag fra Kommissionen — og en uhyre lettelse for grænsearbejdstageren, at dette direktiv på en vis måde lægger sig fast på princippet om en afbalancering af skattebyrderne, dvs. at grænsearbejdstageren nu har fået ret til én gang om året så at sige at få sin samlede skattebyrde afbalanceret.
The sections of the report which deal with taxation cause me some concern, and I believe they will cause the members of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs some concern, although there has been no meeting of this committee since we received the report and there fore I have been able to discuss it only with the chairman, Mr Moreau, who is in agreement with me.
Dette kan synes at være et forvaltningsteknisk set vanskeligt princip.
Now there are two courses now open to this House.
Men jeg går ud fra, at de administrative organer er i besiddelse af så megen opfind somhed, at de kan ændre komplicerede procedurer, så de kan anvendes på en rimelig måde.
I have tabled amendments both to the draft directive and to the report, and I have tabled them on my own authority and without the authority of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs.
Hvordan de administrative organer bagefter vil omgås med denne sag i enkeltheder, får stå hen, men jeg vil gå ud fra, at det kan ske på en positiv måde.
I can, however, assure the House that the amendments which I have tabled exactly reflect the opinion which was unanimously approved at a large meeting of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs 18 months ago.
Man må også konstatere, at grænsearbejdstageren kun i ringe grad kan udnytte tilbud om fritidsbeskæftigelse i sit eget land og — skulle jeg mene — nærmest slet ikke i det land, hvor hån arbejder.
In fact, the procedures for consultation between the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and the Committee on Social Affairs and Employment appear to have broken down.
Følgelig må man konstatere, at grænsearbejdstageren, som vi i teorien kunne anse som den europæiske arbejdstager par excellence, sidder mellem alle stole.
If I may recapitulate the history very briefly, Madam President, you sent the report in February 1980 to the Committee on Social Affairs and Employment as the committee responsible and to the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs for its opinion.
Fru formand, efter at jeg lige har rost Kommissionens store fortjeneste, må jeg allerede på dette sted for udvalget for sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse erklære, at vi ikke kan acceptere de ændringsforslag, hr. Hopper har stillet, fordi de jo på en vis måde relativiserer dette pricip, som vi tillægger meget stor betydning.
The Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs, with the full support of its chairman, Mr Delors, concluded that the fiscal aspects of the problem of cross-frontier workers were highly complex and highly technical, and the committee therefore devoted a great deal of time to studying these matters.
Vores forslag går altså ud på at støtte og dermed acceptere Kommissionens tanker og dens direktiv og ikke gå ind på de ændringsforslag, hr. Hopper har stillet her.
The inland revenue departments of various Member States were consulted and in addition various other independent bodies, such as the accountancy profession.
Formanden. — Økonomi- og valutaudvalget ordet.
We acted with some speed, because we wished the Committee on Social Affairs and
Lige så lidt råder vi overen grænseoverskridende arbejdsformidling.
This House can now proceed to vote upon these amendments if it so desires.
Jeg må have lov til at minde om, at denne forsamling allerede tidligere har henvist til, at vi i høj grad har brug for en europæisk arbejdsformidling.
I would put it to you, Madam President, that this is probably not a correct procedure.
Det er et umådeligt handicap for grænsearbejdstagere, at der ikke findes en grænseoverskridende arbejdsformidling.
It puts the Members of the House in the awkward position of having to choose between the views of the Committee on Economic and Monetary
ponderende udvalg på nogen måde er bundet af en udtalelse fra et udvalg, der er blevet bedt om at frem sætte en sådan.
President. — The Rules of Procedure do not state that 'the House can only vote when everyone has familiar ized himself with the matter in hand.
Men sagen er altså faktisk, at der ikke er blevet taget hensyn til denne meget seriøse betænkning fra økonomi- og valutaudvalget. valget.
Mr Hopper, you have requested a reference to committee: I am obliged to put it to the vote.
Jeg har stillet ændringsforslag til både udkastet til direktiv og betænkningen, og jeg har stillet dem på egne vegne og ikke for økonomi- og valutaudvalget.
Affairs and of the Committee on Social Affairs and Employment on highly technical and complex matters.
Det har jeg gjort, simpelt hen fordi der ikke har været noget møde i dette udvalg, siden vi modtog betænkningen fra udvalget for sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse, forud for det plenarmøde vi nu deltager i.
Indeed, it is something the House should not be asked to do unless we proceed to a full debate of these very complex and technical matters, for how can the Members here make up their mind?
Jeg kan imidlertid forsikre Parlamentet om, at mine ændrings forslag meget nøjagtigt genspejler den udtalelse, der blev vedtaget enstemmigt på et stort møde i økonomiog valutaudvalget for 1 Vi år siden.
I would suggest that it is preferable to refer the matter to committee so that the fiscal aspects can be discussed between the two committees.
Parlamentet kan nu, såfremt det ønsker det, afholde afstemning om disse ændringsforslag. Jeg vil gerne anføre for Dem, fru formand, at dette formodentlig ikke er en korrekt procedure.
I call the Group of the European People's Party (Christian-Democratic Group).
Det stiller Parlamentets medlemmer i den vanskelige situation, at de skal vælge mellem de to udvalgs synspunkter i forbindelse med overordentlig tekniske og komplekse spørgsmål. Det bør man vel næppe anmode dem om, medmindre vi får en virkelig forhandling om disse meget komplekse og tekniske spørgsmål, for hvordan skal medlemmerne tage stilling?
I think it is an excellent report; I think it is a report that the House must endorse; and I am of course aware that she has the difficulty of having just been made rapporteur in place of Mr Oehler, and I therefore apologize for perhaps surprising her this morning with these state ments.
Jeg mener, det er at fore trække at sende sagen til fornyet udvalgsbehandling, så de skattemæssige aspekter kan blive drøftet de to udvalg imellem.
Mr Estgen. — (FR) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, since the free movement of persons is an essential objective of the Community according to the Treaties, the implementation of these measures deserves to be studied with particular reference to frontier workers, who are indeed, as Mrs Salisch remarked, Community workers par excellence.
Når det er sagt, vil jeg gerne gentage over for fru Salisch, at jeg ikke på nogen måde går imod hendes betænkning.
President. — We therefore have a request from Mr Hopper for reference to committee.
Jeg er naturligvis også klart over, at det er svært for fru Salisch pludselig at skulle fungere som ordfører i stedet for hr. Oehler, og jeg vil derfor gerne undskylde over for hende, at jeg måske overrasker hende her til morgen med disse udtalelser.
Every day they have direct experience of the fact that the frontiers between our Member States are still nothing but political bound aries, examples of anachronistic pettiness — that is, discriminatory barriers between the citizens of Europe; and they are aware that, in our Europe which is still searching for its identity, what is truth and equality on one side of a frontier is not necessarily truth and equality on the other side.
Jeg prøvede faktisk på at komme i kontakt med hende i går og igen her til morgen.
I come from a country which, in view of its size, can be considered as one large frontier region.
Det lykkedes altså ikke, og det var måske nok min egen skyld.
I am there fore particularly sensitive to the problems we are now addressing.
Formanden. — Vi har altså nu fået en anmodning fra hr. Hopper om fornyet udvalgsbehandling.
Mrs Salisch, deputy rapporteur. — (DE) I am opposed to this.
Samrådsproceduren mellem økonomi- og valutaudvalget og udvalget for sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse synes faktisk at være brudt sammen.
Mr Hopper, your statement this morning did not surprise me as much as you evidently think.
Hvis jeg må have lov til meget kort at minde om sagens gang, fru formand, så sendte De i februar 1980 betænkningen til udvalget for sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse som korresponderende udvalg og til økonomiog valutaudvalget for en udtalelse.
I was quite prepared for it and I have this to say about it: the question which you raise, also in your amendments, has been discussed very thoroughly, and I cannot imagine our reaching further conclusions on the subject in committee.
Man skaffede sig oplysninger fra forskellige medlemsstaters skattedepartementer og desuden fra forskellige andre uafhængige organer, som f.eks. revisorerne.
You are now proposing on your own behalf, as you have just said, a departure from this principle and advocating the option of taxation either in the country in which a person works or in the country where he lives.
Vi handlede temmelig hurtigt, fordi vi ønskede, at udvalget for sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse skulle have vor udtalelse i god tid, så det kunne tage hensyn til den.
I have grave doubts about your proposal and feel we should vote today.
Vi modtog anmod ningen om en udtalelse i februar 1980, og udvalget vedtog i juli.
The matter has been adequately discussed, and I believe we can take a decision today.
Jeg har her en kopi af brevet, fru formand, og det er dateret den 3. juni 1980.
I would ask you, Mr Hopper, to withdraw your amendments: that would undoubtedly be a good thing for all of us.
Siden den dato har vi intet hørt fra udvalget for sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse.
As we know, a salaried worker who is taxed in the country where he works can be subject to certain disadvantages due to the fact that most countries use different systems of taxation for residents and for non-residents.
Vi er ikke blevet inviteret til at medvirke i nogen del af deres drøftelser om disse overordentlig tekniske og komplicerede spørgsmål, og det første, vi hørte til dem, var, at vi for fjorten dage siden modtog deres endelige betænkning.
Naturally, there can be no question of giving non-resident workers more favourable tax treatment than that enjoyed by resident workers.
Jeg ønsker nu at vælge mine ord med omhu, fru formand, for det er jo klart, at der ikke er nogen, der ønsker at antyde, at det korres
Mr Hopper, draftsman of an opinion. — Madam President, I wish to speak on a point of order.
Salisch, stedfortræder for ordføreren. — (DE) Det er jeg imod. Hr. Hopper, Deres stillingtagen nu overrasker mig ikke så meget, som De åbenbart mener.
The Group of the European People's Party is pleased with the Commission's draft directive on the harmonization of income-tax measures, and we support it because, without restricting the freedom of Member States in regard to fiscal policy, it moves in the direction of greater social justice, aiming at the elimination of measures which in reality constitute discrimination on the basis of nationality.
Jeg var absolut forberedt derpå og vil gerne sige følgende om det: Det spørgsmål, De også berører i Deres ændringsforslag, er blevet behandlet meget udførligt. Jeg kan ikke forestille mig, at vi i udvalget kunne
I would, of course, be delighted if we voted on this matter, Madam President, but how can the House be expected to vote on highly technical matters when it doesn't even know the arguments for and against?
Men nu ved vi jo, at en lønmodtager, der bliver beskattet i det land, hvor han udøver sin aktivitet, i visse henseender kan blive ugunstigt stillet, fordi de fleste lande anvender forskellige beskatningssystemer, efter som folk bor i eller uden for landet.
Concerning the section of the motion dealing with taxes, we agree, as I said a moment ago, on the need to harmonize the systems of taxation in order to encourage further the free movement of workers within the Community and to abolish discrimination between resident and non-resident workers.
På den anden side er det jo klart, at det heller ikke drejer sig om at give de arbejdere, der bor uden for landet, mere fordelagtige betingelser end dem, der gælder for arbejdere, der bor i landet.
We must, however, insist on the fact, already mentioned in the opinion of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs, that the country providing employment has a moral right to benefit from a large part of the tax revenues coming from the frontier worker, whether the income tax is paid in the country of residence or in the country of employment, since the latter must be responsible for the infrastructural expenses directly or indirectly occasioned by frontier workers.
komme til en anden opfattelse. Det er netop opfat telsen i udvalget for sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse, at dette beskatningsprincip er rigtigt.
report and motion for a resolution, which identifies measures needed to deal with the problems concerning this group of workers.
De fore slår nu, som De lige har sagt på egne vegne, igen at afvige fra dette princip og gå ind for muligheden for at vælge enten arbejdslands- eller bopælslandsprincippet.
Even though the report does not cover all these problems — which are very numerous and, unfortunately still unsolved — I wish to congratulate the rapporteur on his excellent work, which provides the basis for a series of coherent measures which, if accomplished, will not fail to produce effective results in the medium term.
For så vidt nærer jeg store betænkeligheder mod Deres fremgangsmåde og mener, at vi bør kunne holde afstemning i dag. Spørgsmålet er blevet tilstrækkelig diskuteret, og jeg er af den mening, at vi kan træffe en beslutning i dag.
The Christian European People's Party shares the rapporteur's approach in calling for a fair Community regional policy to coordinate the national and regional policies of the Member States in order to promote productive investments and stabilize employment in the frontier regions, traditional sources of labour.
Formanden. — Økonomi- og valutaudvalget har ordet.
We will not fail to give our vigorous support to the views contained in this resolution.
Hopper, ordfører for udtalelsen. — (EN) Fru formand, til forretningsordenen.
President. — I call the European Democratic Group.
Jeg vil naturligvis være begejstret for, at vi stemmer om denne sag, fru formand, men hvordan kan Parlamentet forventes at stemme om højst tekniske spørgsmål, når det ikke engang kender argumenterne for og imod?
The problems concerning frontier workers must, of course, be placed in a broader framework covering emigrant workers and their families, a problem which must receive an overall response embracing security of employment and social security.
Selv om betænkningen ikke i absolut forstand behandler alle disse problemer — som jo i virkelig heden er meget talrige og desværre stadig uløste — vil jeg gerne lykønske ordføreren med hans fortræffelige arbejde, som giver grundlag for en række sammenhængende aktioner, der, hvis de bliver iværksat, ikke vil kunne undgå på mellemlang sigt at give meget effektive resultater.
Mr Patterson. — Madam President, as Mrs Salisch has explained, this report covers two particular matters — first of all, the motion for a resolution covering the general problems of frontier workers, which is appended at the back of the report, and secondly, and quite separately, the proposal for a directive dealing with the specific matter of income tax on frontier workers.
Inden for disse rammer kan redskabet det mellemregionale samarbejde spille en stabiliserende rolle for samordningen af de mest effektive initiativer, der skal tages for at normalisere udsvingene i udbud og efterspørgsel på arbejdsmarkedet.
Now, as far as my group is concerned, we are entirely happy with the bulk of the report concerning the first of these two — the general problems of frontier workers — although, Madam President, I must point out that in the English-language version paragraphs 27 (a), (b) and (c) are all missing. Perhaps they could be distributed in due course.
Estgen. — (FR) Fru formand, mine damer og herrer, ifølge traktaten er den frie bevægelighed for personer et af Fællesskabets væsentlige mål, og anvendelsen af disse bestemmelser fortjener at blive behandlet, især i forbindelse med disse grænsearbejdere der virkelig, som fru Salisch sagde, er fællesskabsarbejdere par excellence.
On the subject of unemployment, which unfortunately is a sad refrain in this Chamber, the European People's Party, in the September debate on employment, the labour market, and the organization of working-time, suggested in its amendment calling for a European employment agency — an amendment which was adopted by this Parliament — certain possibilities for international cooperation between employment agencies and other institutional structures in the search for new places of employment.
Naturligvis må problematikken om grænsearbejderne indsættes i en større sammenhæng, som også dækker de nationale vandrende arbejdstagere og deres familier, som man generelt må sikre beskæftigelse og sociale sikringsordninger.
However, as my colleague Mr Hopper, said, the section dealing with taxation is not satisfactory, and I must ask Mrs Salisch how she can be so sure that the Committee on Social Affairs and Employment would have rejected the Hopper amendments, because, as far as I know, the committee has never seen or discussed them.
Ikke alene kan de helt konkret hver dag konstatere, at grænserne mellem vore medlemsstater stadig er rent politiske skillelinjer, for ikke at sige anakronistiske chikanerier, barrierer som markerer en diskrimination mellem Europas borgere.
The Commission proposes in Article 3 that a frontier worker means any individual who is resident in another Member State to which he returns as a rule daily.
Men de føler desuden også, i hvor grad sandhed og lighed på den ene side af grænserne i vort Europa, der stadig søger at finde sine egne ben, ikke nødvendigvis er sandhed og lighed på den anden side af de samme grænser.
Now it may seem quite sensible that if you have got to define a frontier worker, it is some one who commutes daily across the frontier.
Vi tilslutter os også de løsninger, der er planlagt, hvad beskæftigelsen angår, for PPE har allerede i beslutningen om prioriteringen i socialpolitikken, som Parlamentet vedtog, understreget betydningen af de forbindelser, der findes mellem navnlig de unges, kvindernes og de arbejdsløses erhvervsuddannelse — og i vore dage indeholder erhvervsuddannelsen også indlæring af sprog — og chancerne for at finde beskæftigelse på arbejdsmarkedet.
However, the problems do arise if you take this in conjunction with the provisions of Article 4 of the Commission proposal, that the employment income of a frontier worker shall be subject to tax in the Member State of
Jeg er derfor særlig følsom for de problemer, vi beskæftiger os med. Og da et.af de store principper i vort Fællesskab er, at der ikke må diskrimineres mellem arbejdere fra et andet medlemsland og landets egne arbejdere, må dette princip nødvendigvis gælde for grænsearbejderes sociale forhold og skattemæssige problemer.
On the question of social security, while confirming the validity of Regulation 1408/71 on the social security systems of Community workers, we reaffirm the need to harmonize these systems further, irrespective of whether they concern migrant or seasonal frontier workers.
Med hensyn til arbejdsløsheden, som jo desværre er et stadig tilbagevendende emne i denne forsamling, foreslog PPE — under forhandlingen i september om beskæftigelsen, arbejdsmarkedet og ordningen af arbejdstiden — med sit ændringsforslag, der tog sigte
In this regard, the Christian-Democratic Group insisted that Mr Oehler's motion for a resolution include a political point of the EPP which has been several times championed by Mr Ghergo — namely the call to standardize the Community system of family allowances for families residing in a Member State other that the one where employment has been obtained, irrespective of where this employment is pursued.
Det mang lende kan måske omdeles ved en passende lejlighed.
Patterson group to oppose that as well unless the amendments are adopted.
Lad os f.eks. tage spørgsmålet om en definition af grænsearbejdere. Hidtil har man brugt en geografisk definition af grænsezoner.
This would place him in a completely different category from other migrant workers who are taxed and indeed, as we have been insisting, have their social security covered in the country of employment.
Kommissionen foreslår i artikel 3, at en grænsearbejder skal være enhver person, der bor i en anden medlemsstat, som han — som hovedregel — vender tilbage til hver dag.
Therefore the difference between a frontier worker and another migrant worker would be the frequency with which he or she crosses the frontier.
Nu kan det jo synes meget rimeligt, at hvis man skal definere en grænsearbejder, er det en, der pendler over grænsen.
Moreover, this would decide whether his income was taxed in the country of residence or the country of employment.
Men der opstår problemer, i det øjeblik, man ser dette i sammenhæng med bestemmelserne i artikel 4 i Kommissionens forslags om, at en grænse arbejders indkomst skal beskattes i den medlemsstat, han bor i.
Mr Notenboom. — (NL) Madam President, I should like to add a few words, because I feel the need to stress that in my region too this is not a theoretical problem but one which affects thousands of people every day.
Dette ville placere ham i en helt anden kategori end andre vandrende arbejdstagere, der beskattes og, som vi har understreget, har deres sociale sikringsdækning i det land, hvor de er beskæftiget.
I live in the Meuse-Rhine-North frontier region, where I cooperate closely with Mr van Aerssen.
Forskellen mellem en grænsearbejder og en anden vandrende arbejdstager skulle så være, med hvilken hyppighed han eller hun krydser grænsen.
In 1978, we tabled written questions on these distortions in the field of income taxes.
Desuden skulle dette afgøre, hvorvidt hans indkomst bliver beskattet i det land, hvor han bor, eller i det land, hvor han arbejder.
It was chiefly these written questions that prompted the proposal which the Commission has now put forward and for which I should like to thank it.
Hvis man nu ser på hr. Oehlers betænkning, vil man se, at han gør opmærksom på dette.
If you turn to Mr Oehler's report, you will see that he makes this point.