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Mange af disse illegale fiskefartøjer befandt sig i den sydlige og sydvestlige del af Irland, men nu befinder de sig i den nord lige og nordvestlige del af Irland og ud for Skotland!
The Commission hopes, of course, that Parliament will be willing to provide the resources required.
Derfor må kommissæren endog inden udvidelsen be stemt erkende, at det er nødvendigt med yderligere beskyttelsesforanstaltninger.
This is not to say, of course, that all the problems have been solved. There are matters that have to be settled in greater detail.
Vil Kommissionen over veje en anmodning fra Irland om yderligere bcskyttelscsfartøjer, — fly og -helikoptere?
The result of the negotiations must also be set out in treaty form. The work on this is now well under way.
Som nævnt er det indlysende for os, at hele systemet bryder sammen endog inden udvidelsen, fordi beskyttelse og overvågning henhører under medlemsstaterne.
There is no reason to doubt, Mr President, that practical, and legal, results will be achieved by the date set and that, where fisheries are concerned, the work the Community has to do will not delay accession.
Jeg må nødvendigvis sige som medlem fra Irland, at Irland ikke har midlerne til sin rådighed — til trods fra støtten fra EF de senere år — til at kontrollere området omkring det.
I am not, of course, talking about parliamentary ratification in the Member States.
Derfor er der som nu — inden udvidelsen — ved at opstå kaos.
Mrs Ewing (RDE). — I thank the Commissioner for his answer.
Jeg gyser ved tanken om, hvordan det vil være efter de næste 18 måneder. der.
My question was indeed tabled some time ago, but I can still put a perfectly relevant supplementary on the question of recent developments.
Wijsenbeek (L). — (NL) Kommissionen kan ganske vist sige, at forhandlingerne i sidste række er ført af Rådet, men den har dog ansvaret for fiskeripolitik kens gennemførelse.
Mr Wijsenbeek (L). — (NL) The Commission may say that the negotiations as such were conducted by the Council, but it bears responsibility for the implementation of the fisheries policy.
Og navnlig med hensyn til heste makrellen må der dog som følge af konkurrencen mellem Spanien og Nederlandene før eller senere la ves en kvotaordning.
In view of the com petition between Spain and the Netherlands in scad fishing in particular, a quota arrangement will be needed sooner or later.
Er Kommissionen allerede be skæftiget hermed? Har den gjort sig tanker herom, eller lader den foreløbig det hele hvile i overgangsperioden? rioden?
Is the Commission already working or. this?
Andriessen. — (NL) Det er mig bekendt, at der sker overtrædelser.
Mr Andriessen. — (NL) The Commission is not in the habit of letting things take their own course, as you undoubtedly know.
Jeg vidste ikke som nævnt af det ærede medlem, at for et bestemt skib er det allerede fjerde gang, at skibet overtræder bestemmelserne, eller lad os sige, at skibets mandskab overtræder bestemmelserne, for skibet selv er naturligvis temmelig neutralt. tralt.
I would ask the Commissioner if he is aware of recent arrests for illegal fishing of Spanish vessels in the waters off Scotland, Ireland and France in the last two weeks, and the apprehension this has caused among the fleets of these countries, and indeed all the EEC fleets, about the disrespect for the law and its sanctions shown by the Spanish fishermen.
Jeg gør mit bedste, men heller ikke af Kommissionen kan man kræve det umulige.
I do my best, but not even the Commission can do the impossible.
Guermeur (RDE). — (FR) Jeg tror, at vi kan komplimentere kommissær Andriessen for hans fasthed og mod i hele denne sag.
Mr Guermeur (RDE). — (FR) I think that we can pay tribute to the tenacity and courage displayed by Mr Commissioner Andriessen in dealing with this whole issue.
Det er da heller ikke om selve den aftale, der er indgået, jeg vil stillet et spørgsmål.
It is therefore not about the substance of the agreement concluded that I wish to question him.
Den er, hvad den er.
That agreement is what it is.
Man kunne i øvrigt have frygtet, at den var værre.
It could have been worse.
Det siger jeg her i dag.
That is now my considered opinion.
Jeg vil lige som mine kolleger ikke spørge kommissæren om for tiden, men om fremtiden.
Like the earlier speakers, I wish to ask the Commissioner about the future, not the past.
En aftale, lad gå, men en aftale, der ikke overholdes, er en katastrofe. Men for at en aftale overholdes, er det nødvendigt med midler, med en politisk vilje og et budget.
legal texts, in treaty form, in a few months what years of negotiations have produced and then to prepare translations in all the Community languages which correspond exactly and can be submitted to the Member States for ratification.
Det andet spørgsmål: Er Kommissionen rede til at oprette et EF-kontrolapparat med eget mandskab? Det er yderst vanskeligt for øjeblikket i en anden sektor på Fællesskabets vegne at skabe en effektiv kontrolmulighed.
This being the case, I am bound at the moment to concentrate on the overriding objective of ensuring that the texts on both agriculture and fisheries are completed in time for them to be signed by all concerned in June.
Vi har her i Parlamentet flere gange talt om kontrol inden for sektoren for frugt og grønsager.
We shall use all the resources at our disposal for this purpose.
Kommissionen har fremsat forslag for på dette område at muliggøre en effektiv kontrol.
Once this is done, I promise Parliament that I shall devote the same energy to the drafting of the implementing regulations for this policy with a view to avoiding disputes between present and future Member States.
Disse forslag støder på stor modstand hos en række delegationer i Rådet.
This will apply to all species of fish and thus to scad.
Det drejer sig her altså ikke om et specielt fiskeri problem, men om et langt mere generelt problem : Er vi rede til i 1985 dér, hvor det drejer sig om overnationale beføjelser, at tillade overnational kontrol tour court et sans conditions?
An agreement is well and good, but an agreement which is not adhered to is disastrous, and in order to ensure that it is complied with it is necessary to have resources, to have political will and to have a budget.
Det er det primære spørgsmål, som det drejer sig om.
As you have just said, Mr Commissioner, the budget is insufficient.
Jeg konstaterer, at det desværre er yderst vanskeligt at gennemføre.
First, is the Commission in a position to earmark funds in the budget for 1986 which will be sufficient for the purpose of pursuing a fisheries policy in the Community?
Men jeg lover gerne Parlamentet, at Kommissinen vil stå fast ved — om det nu sker med eget eller med medlemsstaternes materiel — at der gennemføres en størst mulig fællesskabsobjektivitet i kontrollen, både inden for fiskeriet og inden for andre sektorer.
Secondly, on the subject of resources, is the Commission prepared, since it has the power of proposal to the Council, to undertake, not to continue with the arrangements under which each country is responsible for policing its own waters, but — and I hope that I have your full attention, Mr Commissioner — to replace the existing system with a system of integrated Community surveillance to enforce the rules on fishing, in other words a fleet placed directly under the responsibility of the Commission and funded by con tributions from the Member States?
Jeg tilføjer direkte her, idet jeg tænker på et praktisk tilfælde for ganske nylig nu, hvor vi taler om landbrugspriserne for 1985/86, at det vil være allermindst simpelt at iværksætte en virkelig EF-kontrol som den, der findes på konkurrenceområdet, men som udadtil accepteres i meget ringe udstrækning.
Thirdly, is the Commission prepared to demonstrate its political will by applying sanctions, since such political will is clearly lacking at present in most of the Member States?
Men som De netop sagde, hr. kommissær, er budget tet utilstrækkeligt.
Many of these illegal fishing vessels were in the south and the south-west of Ireland, but now they are in the north and the north-west of Ireland and off Scotland!
For det første: Er Kommissionen i stand til for 1986-budgettet at opføre bevillinger til fiskeri et, der muliggør, at der føres en fiskeripolitik i Fællesskabet?
Would the Commission consider a request from Ireland for additional protection vessels, planes and helicopters?
For det andet hvad angår midlerne: Er Kommissionen rede til, da den har bemyndigelse til at forelægge forslag for Rådet, at forpligte sig til, ikke blot at fortsætte af den vej, hvor hvert land er ansvar ligt for sine hjemlige bestemmelser, men — lyt en gang, hr. kommissær — at erstatte dette system med et integreret fællesskabskontrolsystem for anvendelse af fiskeribestemmelserne, dvs. en flåde, der er direkte placeret under Kommissionens ansvar, og som støttes af medlemsstaterne?
It is evident to us, as I said, that even before enlargement the whole system is breaking down because the onus for protection and surveillance rests with the Member States. I have got to say, as a Member from Ireland, that Ireland does not have the resources at its disposal — notwithstanding the assistance from the EEC in recent years — to police the area around it.
For det tredje: Er Kom missionen rede til at udvise politisk vilje, idet den pålægger sanktioner?
Therefore, as of now — before enlargement — chaos is emerging.
Thi denne politiske vilje findes åbenlyst ikke for øjeblikket i størsteparten af med lemsstaterne.
I shudder to think what it will be like after the next 18 months.
(Bifald fra den europæiske demokratiske alliance)
(Applause from the benches of the Group of the European Democratic Alliance)
Andriessen. — (NL) Tre spørgsmål.
Mr Andriessen. — (NL) Three questions.
Det første spørgsmål: Er Kommissionen rede og i stand til at fremsætte forslag til et apparat, der er nødvendigt for at iværksætte en behørig kontrol?
Firstly, is the Commission willing and able to put forward pro posals for the machinery needed to carry out proper inspections?
Jeg er rede og i stand til at gøre dette.
I am willing and able to do that.
Mener han ikke også, at det er på tide, at folk i mindre grad henleder deres opmærksomhed på småsagerne og ser på de meget store fordele for Fællesskabet både poli tisk og økonomisk ved Spaniens tiltrædelse til ja nuar?
Let me say that I am prepared within the limits to which I am subject to do what I can to ensure optimal inspections. I cannot say more than that simply because the resources available to me in the Commission's fisheries department are absolutely inadequate for all the checks that ought to be made in an enlarged
Jeg er for det første overbevist om, at det er muligt efter tiltrædelsen — naturligvis hvis vi har de nødvendige midler til vor rådighed — at indføre et system, der forhindrer, at den ene medlemsstats over trædelser tydeligt overstiger de overtrædelser, der be gås af andre medlemsstater; for det andet, at vi vil råde over instrumenter, ikke til at kræve tilbagebetaling, men til at træffe de juridiske foranstaltninger, der er nødvendige for at modvirke overtrædelser.
Mr Falconer (S). — Like Mrs Ewing I am a wee bit concerned that it should be after the event rather than before it. Therefore, I would give you the opportunity, Commissioner, to advise us if during the negotiations with the Spanish Government you have arranged for compensatory funds to be made available for those who have suffered as a result of the present-day Spanish piracy and could you advise this Chamber of the machinery for making such claims — and one hopes the Commission has done this already during the negotiations — which should of course include a form of reimbursement from the Spanish Government when those claims are met by the Commission?
Det er umagen værd at spørge os — det finder jeg, er et reelt punkt i det ærede medlems standpunkt — om det ikke er lettere at løse denne problematik efter Spaniens tiltrædelse til Fællesskabet end inden tiltrædelsen.
Mr Andriessen. — (NL) If I understand the honourable Member's question correctly, he is asking whether it is possible to obtain some kind of compensation from the Spanish Government for any infringements of the protocol or of· the agreement that has been reached.
Og også om situationen måske ikke ville have været lettere, hvis ikke visse medlemsstater så længe og så intens havde modvirket en reel inkorporering af det spanske fiskeri i EFs fiskeri.
This point — if that is what the question is about — was not discussed during the negotiations, just as we do not discuss and have not discussed this subject when we find other Member States breaking the rules, where the possibility of obtaining compensation similarly does not exist.
Det er, hvad jeg for øjeblikket kan sige om denne sag.
to introduce effective inspections in another sector.
Jeg er gerne rede til enten her i plenum eller i det udvalg, der beskæftiger sig med fiskeri, når vi har afsluttet det første arbejde, der må gøres, nemlig ud arbejdelsen af traktatteksterne, at tale nærmere om den mest effektive måde til tilvejebringelse af kontrolforanstaltninger ikke imod en ny medlemsstat, men af hensyn til fiskeripolitikkens opretholdelse som sådan for Fællesskabet.
We have discussed inspections for the fruit and vegetable sector on several occasions in this Parliament, and the Commission has submitted proposals for effective control in this sector.
Falconer (S). — (EN) Ligesom fru Ewing er jeg en lille smule bekymret over, at det skal ske efter og ikke inden begivenheden.
These proposals have met with considerable resistance from a number of delegations in the Council of Ministers.
Clinton (PPE). — (EN) Kommissæren her i dag har været under et umuligt bombardement af spørgsmål.
I am quite sure we shall encounter the same difficulties in the Member States when it comes to introducing Community inspections in the fisheries sector.
En anden ting, som jeg gerne vil henlede opmærk somheden på, er, at bøder, endog omfattende gentagne bøder til den samme båd og til den samme skipper ikke synes at være et tilstrækkeligt afskrækkende mid del.
The problem is not, then, con fined to fisheries but is of a far more general nature: are we prepared in 1985 to allow supranational inspections tout court et sans conditions to enforce supranational regulations?
Er dette en mulighed, eftersom der må træffes foranstaltninger af denne art, hvis vi skal have lov og orden og bevare tilstrækkelige fiskebestande til generelt at dække fiskernes behov.
But I promise Parliament that the Commission will continue to insist — whether the Community's or the Member States' resources are used — that checks in the fisheries and other sectors be made as objectively as possible on the basis of Com munity legislation.
Andriessen. — (NL) Hvis jeg har forstået det ærede medlems spørgsmål rigtigt, så vil han spørge, om det er muligt at få en slags godtgørelse fra den spanske regering, såfremt der sker overtrædelser af den protokol eller af den aftale, der er indgået.
I will add straight away — thinking of a very recent practical case, now that we are discussing 1985/86 farm prices — that it will be far from easy to introduce a system of genuinely Community inspections.
Herom — hvis det altså er spørgsmålet — er der ikke forhandlet, og vi forhandler ikke og har ikke forhandlet om dette spørgsmål, når vi konstaterer andre medlemsstaters overtrædelser, hvorfor denne mulighed består endnu mindre i praksis.
We have a system of this kind to ensure fair competition, but the opposition where other sec tors are concerned is very strong.
Jeg må undersøge det, og jeg er rede til at gøre det og til at give et svar på et senere tidspunkt.
My answer is thus affirmative with qualifications.
Det, der skuffer mig lidt i denne debat, er, at det ene og alene drejer sig om en ny medlemsstats eventuelle overtrædelser.
What I find slightly disappointing about this discussion is that it is confined to infringements possibly commit ted by an applicant Member State.
Jeg kan forsikre Dem om, at der ikke kun konstateres overtrædelser, der begås af fiskere fra dette ansøgerland. Jeg kan nævne Dem en hel række eksempler, hvor næsten alle de EF-lande, der udøver fiskeri, forekommer, og hvor de nuværende fiskeribestemmelser overtrædes.
I can assure you that its fishermen are not the only ones to have been guilty of such infringements.
Det er en realitet, i hvert fald i den forløbne periode.
That is the fact of the matter, in the recent past at least.
Nu kan man sige, at det ene tilfælde er mere vidtgående end det andet, men jeg er i dag ikke i stand til at afveje dem mod hinanden. den.
It can, of course, be said that some go further than others, but I am not in a position today to make comparisons.
Jeg vil gerne bede om forståelse for, at fiskere som allerede nævnt åbenbart udgør en gruppe erhvervsudøvere, der har svært ved at overholde regler, hvis disse regler begrænser dem i deres aktiviteter.
I would ask you to appreciate that, as I have already said, fishermen are apparently a group of people who find it difficult to obey rules that restrict their activities. Why do we restrict these fishermen?
Hvor for begrænser vi disse fiskere?
We do so in the final analysis because it is in their own interests.
Det gør vi i sidste række også i deres egen interesse.
The object is to protect fish stocks so that fish can be caught not only today but tomorrow too.
Det ærede medlems andet spørgsmål var inddragelse af en licens, og det forekommer mig at være noget lettere, men om det er et effektivt middel, ved jeg ikke, for når det drejer sig om uretmæssige fangster er der heller ikke nogen licens.
I am convinced, firstly, that after accession it will be possible — provided, of course, that we are given the necessary resources — to introduce a system that prevents infringements by one Member State from clearly exceeding infringements by other Member States and, secondly, that we will have instruments not for requesting compensation but for taking the legal act ion needed to prevent infringements.
Jeg ved derfor ikke, om den manglende tilstedeværelse af en licens i sig selv er et tilstrækkeligt middel til at vende et sådant misbrug, medmindre det er helt umuligt at sejle ud uden en licens.
That is all I can say about this matter for the moment. I am quite prepared, either in this Assembly or in the committee responsible for fisheries, once the initial work of drawing up the treaty provisions has been done, to consider the most effective way of introducing controls which are not aimed at a new Member
I så fald forekommer inddragelse af en licens mig at være en sanktionsforanstaltning, der er værd at overveje, hvis det igen ikke ene og alene er med henblik på dette ene ansøgerland, men er en generel EF-sanktionsforanstaltning.
It is worth considering — and I think we should be grateful to the honourable Member for making this point — whether it will not be easier to solve this problem after Spain's accession to the Community than before and also whether the situation might not have been even easier if certain Member States had not been so obstinate and tenacious in their opposition to the incorporation of Spanish fisheries in the Com munity's fisheries.
Det er ikke meget, men det samme gælder desværre også for ordrer fra andre flag.
State but are designed to maintain the fisheries policy as such for the Community.
Jeg vil spørge kommissæren, om det ikke også giver et stik i hans hjerte, når han her skal optræde som politimyndighed over for lovlydige bor gere, som altid har lagt vægt på at overholde loven, men som nu pludselig bliver til forbrydere, fordi de ikke kan ændre deres opfattelse af vilkårene i det frie erhverv, som de i sin tid gik ind i?
Has the Commission considered measures that would enable the Member States carrying out surveillance to confiscate a very expensive boat for repeated infringements, and to take away the licence of a certain skipper who has been apprehended five times, and indeed a further time a few weeks later in another country's territorial waters?
Det er menneskelige følelser, det drejer sig om, og jeg vil gerne have, at kommissæren også har forståelse for denne menneskelige følelse i udøvelsen af sit erhverv som kommissær.
Is that a possibility, because some measure of this sort will have to be taken if we ar to have law and order and preserve sufficient fish stocks to meet the requirements of the fish ermen generally.
Jeg beklager, at det er umuligt at beregne virkninger ne af tonnage under åben registrering for Fællesskabets betalingsbalancer.
Mr Andriessen. — (NL) In what is beginning to develop into a debate I have said several times that the open sea clearly has the effect of making restrictions less acceptable.
Bortset herfra vil jeg gerne fremhæve, at der skal gøres meget på internationalt plan for både at forbedre sikkerheden for visse skibe under bekvemmelighedslag og de arbejdsvilkår, der tilbydes på dem.
That is another reason why the Commission, having noted that infringements occur to a greater or lesser degree in almost all the Member States, has so far pursued a cautious policy towards legal act ion in this area.
FORSÆDE: POUL MØLLER
President. — Question No 13, by Mr Pitt (H-644/ 84):
Andriessen. — (NL) Jeg har i denne besvarelse, der efterhånden er ved at udvikle sig til en debat, nogle gange givet udtryk for, at det åbne hav åbenbart har en rumvirkning, der gør det mindre let at acceptere snævre begrænsninger.
Mr Andriessen. — (NL) I am not absolutely sure whether we would not need additional legal instruments for so serious a sanction as the confiscation of boats.
Vi har haft en fiskeripolitik i nogle år.
I should imagine so, but I am not a lawyer.
Det må vi indstille os på, vænne os til.
I must look into this, and I am prepared to do so and to give an answer later.
Deri kan De se et forsøg på det, De kaldte en human løsning af problemet.
I think we would need an additional legal basis for such action.
Men jeg vil føje en ting hertil. Humanitet indebærer også, at den ene ikke erhverver sig en bedre position på bekostning af de andre ved overtrædelse af de reg ler, som vi i fællesskab har fastsat.
Would the Commission give details of the econo mic effects of supporting flag of convenience ship ping, in terms of the contributions to the balance of payments of Member States, to shipbuilding and associated industries,and employment in ship ping, shipbuilding and associated industries?
Dette er humanitet mellem konkurrenterne indbyrdes, og Kommissionen er der for at holde øje med denne humanitet.
Mr Clinton Davis, Member of the Commission. — The economic effects of the use of open registries by Com munity shipowners are complex and often negative in terms of the viability of European shipping.
Jeg tror, at jeg her i eftermiddag har påvist begge aspekter ved en human løsning, idet jeg i samme grad har henledt opmærksomheden på overtræderne som på dem, der truer med at blive ofre herfor.
Regrettably, EEC beneficial ownership of ships flying a flag of convenience represents as high a proportion as 22.7% of the total flag of convenience fleet.
Har han et tilsvarende tal for ikke-EF-statsborgere beskæftiget på de samme skibe?
I do not therefore know whether the absence of a licence in itself would prevent such abuses, unless it would stop a skipper setting sail in the first place.
Formanden. - Spørgsmål nr. 13 af Pitt (H-644/84):
If that was so, I think it would be worth considering the withdrawal of licences as a possible sanction.
Kan han til trods for de økonomiske vanskeligheder foretage en vurdering af fordelen på den ene side for ejerne af skibe under åben registrering og de sociale omkostninger på den anden side for medlemsstaterne med hensyn til tab af arbejdspladser og manglende indtægter fra skatter?
It is however true that in terms of employment the ships registered under the Liberian flag, which represent about two-thirds of the total open registry ton nage employed in 1980, which is the last date for which figures are available, employed some 7 000 officers and some 13 000 ratings from EEC countries.