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På den anden side står der spørgetid på dagsordenen, og denne har kun varet i en halv time. Jeg foreslår derfor, at vi afslutter spørgetiden med Rådet, hæver mødet som planlagt kl. 20.00 og udsætter afstemningen til i morgen kl. 18.00.
One really has to ask whether an ad hoc agency would serve any purpose or whether the delays could not be better overcome some other way, bearing in mind the experience of certain countries that are capable of very rapidly supplying food aid to the regions in need of it.
Hvis ingen gør indsigelse, betragter jeg det som ved taget.
It is an open question for the Commission.
von der Vring (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne i tilfælde af, at vi i morgen kommer under tidspres, bede præsidiet om at garantere, at vi afslutter afstemningen og først derefter har aftenpause, da vi jo alligevel har aftenmøde i morgen.
Does not the President-in-Office consider that — as we are trying to do, incidentally, in Italy — some special relief structure along the lines indicated by Mr Seligman is needed, precisely in view of what has been experienced by the Commission and the ten countries of the Community?
Formanden. — Da følgende spørgsmål vedrører sam me emne, vil vi under ét behandle spørgsmål nr. 77 af Seligman (H-465/84):
Mr Pearce (ED). — May I press the President-in-Office to be a little more specific than he has been in his undertakings to review this situation?
Formanden. — Hr. von der Vring, jeg tager Deres forslag til efterretning og vil i øvrigt gå frem efter det, jeg har foreslået.
Will he undertake that before the end of this period of office he will insist that the Commission produce proposals to Council and to Parliament to deal with a whole new system for the purchase and ownership of stocks of grain for their transport by road and by sea to the countries affected, for the correct packaging of such products and for their distribution in the Community?
Vi vil nu fortsætte spørgetiden og hæve mødet kort før kl. 20.00.
Will the President-in-Office agree to insist that the Commission produces proposals for that during these six months?
— Vil Rådet i betragtning af de uundgåelige forsinkelser, der opstår, når man skal arbejde gennem en række hjælpeorganisationer, overveje at oprette en central EF-hjælpeorganisation, som specielt skal sørge for at få landbrugsoverskud hurtigt ud til katastrofeområder?
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) By way of confirmation of what I said this morning in my statement, the Council must take steps to speed up these procedures in order to give no further grounds for observations such as those made by the Court of Auditors.
Hvad er øen Rockalis retsstilling inden for Det europæiske Fællesskab; er den anerkendt som en integreret del af Storbritannien; anerkender Fællesskabet gyldigheden af Rockall-lo-ven af 1972, hvorved øen blev indlemmet i Harris-distriktet i Invemess-grevskabet ?
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I will get in touch with the Commission straight away, among other things because it is clear that, if we are to do what I referred to just now — that is, request assistance from the military air-forces—, it will have to go through the national governments.
Kan Rådet oplyse, hvorfor det i betragtning af, at der findes en del overskudsproduktion af fødevarer, ikke øger sin fødevarehjælp til befolkninger, der sulter?
I think it would be a good thing to put questions on this subject to the Commission and not to the Council, since it is the Commission that will have to take decisions.
Andreotti, formand for Rådet. — (IT) Som svar på spørgsmålene fra hr. Andrews og hr. Seligman henviser jeg til de skriftlige svar, der under mødeperioden i december 1984 blev givet på spørgsmål fra hr. Ephremidis og sir James Scott-Hopkins.
Mr Habsburg (PPE). — (DE) Is it appropriate to make representations at diplomatic or government level on the basis of a report in a magazine which has recently been discredited for repeatedly publishing false reports?
Andreotti. — (IT) Idet jeg igen fastslår det, som jeg også sagde i formiddags i min redegørelse, bør Rådet sørge for at fremskynde disse procedurer, for at også de bemærkninger, som Revisionsretten har fremsat, ikke længere skal have noget grundlag for at være gældende.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) Mr President, I do not think we should make distinctions between good and bad weeklies or dailies.
De nærmere tekniske omstændigheder — oprettelsen af et kontor eller ej — vil blive behandlet i et passende forum, også fordi jeg — under henvisning til tidligere erfaringer — husker den megen polemik fra den tid, da det tekniske middel var Federconsorzi.
Mr MacSharry (RDE). — Could I ask the President-in-Office of the Council — and he has replied to a certain extent to what I wanted to ask him — whether, if the limits on food aid that the Council and Commission apparently have set for 1985 prove in the weeks ahead to be insufficient to relieve the starvation in many countries — and some people are suggesting already that they have — we can get a positive assurance from the President-in-Office of the Council that immediate steps will be taken by the Council and the Commission to increase the amounts over and above that which he has already allocated?
Des uden har vi villet oprette et statsorgan, og det forekommer mig egentlig ikke, at de fattige har haft stor fordel deraf!
Many people are suggesting to us — and this Parliament is very con cerned about this matter — that the amounts allocated, even though they show substantial increases, may not be sufficient in the medium term.
Senere vil 300 000 tons blive leveret i henhold til Fællesskabets almindelige fødevarehjælpeprogrammer for 1985.1 øvrigt er 400 000 tons blevet eller vil blive leveret af medlemsstaterne, som Rådet er over bevist om vil gøre alt, hvad der står i deres magt, for at dette mål kan nås.
The publication Newsweek is very widely read, and I think it is in the interests of the Americans themselves to deny the report and to make clear that it is not true.
Cryer (S). — (EN) Mener rådsformanden ikke, at det, vi i princippet mangler, er et tilstrækkeligt maskineri til at overføre fødevarer fra EFs propfyldte lagre til verdens nødlidende, navnlig i Etiopien og Sahel?
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I can assure the questioner that we shall be considering this problem without delay to see what practical possibilities there are of doing more.
Seligman (ED). — (EN) Jeg mener, at hr. Andrews ville sige — med de enorme overskud, vi har, er 1,2 mio da ret meget?
President. — Question No 79, by Mr Schwalba-Hoth (H-495/84):
Men det er ikke mit spørgsmål.
Subject: Torture equipment in Community countries tries
Mit spørgsmål lyder: Ved rådsformanden, hvor lang tid der går, fra Rådet træffer en afgørelse om at sende nødhjælp i form at korn til Etiopien og Sahel, og til dette korn rent faktisk ankommer til havnebyen Aseb?
Mr Van der Lek (ARC). — (NL) I should like the Council representative to be a little clearer in his response to the supplementary question by Mr Schwalba-Hoth.
Det er for sinkelsen, som vi ønsker at beskæftige os med.
He said that when the moment was opportune they would take action.
Måske er en ordning, som man kunne benytte netop i nødsituationer — hvilket vi i øjeblikket gør i Italien med tilfredsstillende resultater i forbindelse med Etiopien — at anmode den militære luftfart om at stille transportfly til rådighed for at bringe denne hjælp frem.
According to reports in the news magazine News week and from Reuters press agency (4 November 1984) the US Department of Commerce has authorized the export of torture equipment (including thumbscrews and spiked clubs) not only to Australia, New Zealand and Japan but also to NATO countries.
Desuden er der et andet omfattende problem, nemlig den interne distribution.
Do these NATO countries include any Member States of the European Community (and if so which ones?), what equipment and what quantity is involved and what is its intended use?
Andreotti. — (IT) Kommissionen har allerede beføjelserne til at organisere denne støtte så hurtigt som muligt.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) Here it might be objected that the matter does not strictly fall within our sphere of competence.
Det drejer sig nu om følgende spørgsmål : Er det nyttigt med et sådant ad hoc-kontor, eller kan forsinkelsen i stedet overvindes på andre måder, idet man også tager hensyn til erfaringerne i visse lande, der er i stand til meget hurtigt at yde fødevarehjælp til de områder, der har brug for det?
I do not think this way, because, faced with such a grave allegation involving, among others, countries in which the commission of such crimes would seem to be very strange, I think it is not only our right but also our duty to throw light on the matter. ter.
Men man bør bestemt både ud fra et politisk og moralsk synspunkt handle hurtigt, for at disse fødevarer distribueres nu og ikke næste år.
As soon as we have data, it is clear that we shall draw the necessary consequences at the political level.
Det er et åbent spørgsmål, som Kommissionen må undersøge.
If so, can he tell us when he will report to the House on the result of the discussion that he has just told us is going to take place in the Council?
Pannella (NI). — (IT) Normalt går der mellem bevillingen, afgørelsen om at sende kom og distributionen 416 dage.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) Without wishing to detract from the importance of the matter, I think that in the General Affairs Council there are much simpler methods than that of entering it on the agenda of a meeting in order to throw light on it and report on it.
Tror rådsformanden ikke, at det — hvilket vi i øvrigt forsøger at gøre i Italien — er nødvendigt med en ekstraordinær støttestruktur, som den hr. Seligman har anvist, netop på grund af de erfaringer, de ti lande, Kommissionen, dvs. Fællesskabet, har gjort?
Mr Schwalba-Hoth (ARC). — (DE) Is the President-in-Office prepared, on humanitarian grounds, to make representations to the US Department of Com merce and to the national Defence Ministries with a view to obtaining clarification of this question which comes within the framework of human rights?
Pearce (ED). — (EN) Må jeg anmode rådsformanden om at være lidt mere specifik, end han har været i sine tilsagn, om at tage denne situation op til fornyet overvejelse?
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) If I am being asked to establish contacts in order to go into the matter, my reply is in
Vil rådsformanden love at kræve, at Kommissionen forelægger forslag herom inden for det næste halve år?
Mrs Heinrich (ARC). — (DE) I should like to widen this question by asking whether know-how on torture is being exported from the USA to NATO countries?
Nr. 2-321/151 positivt, for der kan ikke være kompetencegrænser over for et problem af den art.
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Andreotti. — (IT) Jeg vil uden videre tage kontakt med Kommissionen, også fordi det, hvis man vil gøre det, som jeg antydede tidligere, nemlig anmode den militære luftfart om et vis støtte, er klart, at det er nødvendigt at gå gennem regeringerne.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) We shall go into this matter too when considering technological improvements.
(Bifald fra venstrefløjen)
Subject: The use of rubber bullets in southern Ireland
Mange giver udtryk for over for os — og Parlamentet er dybt involveret her — at selv om de tildelte mængder udviser en væsentlig stigning, er de måske ikke tilstrækkelige på mellemlang sigt.
In view of the concern expressed by some Mem bers of this House about the use of plastic bullets in Northern Ireland, has the Council discussed the report that the police in southern Ireland have a supply of plastic bullets?
Van der Lek (ARC). — (NL) Jeg vil gerne bede råds formanden om at udtrykke sig lidt klarere i sit svar på hr. Schwalba-Hoths tillægsspørgsmål.
Mr von der Vring (S). — (DE) Mr President-in-Office, I appreciate the fact that, unlike this House, the Council, for practical reasons, sets limits on its activities.
Han siger: hvis der er anledning til det, vil vi gerne tage skridt.
Since this topic interests me deeply I should like to know where these limits lie with regard to trade in torture equipment and the internal use of plastic bullets.
Jeg vil gerne høre af ham, at han vil indhente de oplysninger, som hr. Schwalba-Hoth anmoder om, for at sikre, at historien ikke er sand.
Did I understand you to say that these would be the subject of negotiation in the Council if they were traded in or exported from the Community?
Andreotti. — (IT) Jeg kan forsikre, at vi straks vil undersøge dette spørgsmål, således at vi kan se, hvilke konkrete muligheder der er for at gøre mere.
Mr Andreotti, President-in-Office of the Council. — (IT) We consider that it does not fall within the com petence of the Council to make comments or in any way concern itself with this problem, which, incidentally, concerns one of the countries of the Community.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 79 af Schwalba-Hoth (H-495/84):
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) In the little time left this sitting, one cannot lay down the precise limits of what should claim our attention or where or when we should deal with it.
Om : Særlige torturinstrumenter til Fællesskabslandene
We will see how it can be approached.
Andreotti. — (IT) Her kunne måske fremføres den indvending, at sagen strengt taget ikke henhører under vor kompetence.
Mr Marshall (ED). — I welcome the answer of the President-in-Office of the Council that he does not regard this question as being within the competence of the Community.
Det mener jeg nu ikke, for over for et så alvorligt forhold, som blandt andet involverer lande, hvor det forekommer meget mærkeligt, at der fremsættes sådanne beskyldninger, tror jeg, at det at kaste lys over sagen ikke blot er vores ret, men også vores pligt.
But can I have an assurance that if the Community were ever to be foolish enough to depart from this principle, it would investigate the situation in Southern Ireland as well as that in Northern Ireland?
Ifølge en meddelelse i nyhedsmagasinet Newsweek og fra Reuters Bureau (4.11.84) skal det amerikanske handelsministerium have tilladt eksport af særlige torturinstrumenter (bl.a. tommeskruer og pigstokke) ikke alene til Australien, New Zealand og Japan, men også til NATO-lande.
Mr McCartin (PPE). — In view of the Minister's reply, would he be concerned if, in fact, rubber bullets and plastic bullets had been used by the security forces in Ireland, if this lethal weapon had been used against defenceless and untried people and if it had resulted in death and serious injury?
Findes der blandt disse NATO-lande også EF-medlemsstater (i bekræftende fald, hvilke), og hvilke instrumenter i hvilken mængde og til hvilket fonnål drejer det sig om?
If we are to start studying Irish problems as well, especially now that Ireland has assumed and relinquished the presidency, we shall really be putting ourselves in a position of not being able to operate at all.
Welsh (ED). - (EN) Skal vi forstå af hr. Andreottis svar på dette spørgsmål, at han foreslår, at det vigtige spørgsmål om import af torturinstrumenter opføres på dagsordenen for det næste møde i Rådet for gene relle anliggender?
Is he aware that all this has happened in a part of Ireland, namely Northern Ireland, and that this has been condemned by a former President-in-Office of the Council, Mr Barry, Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Ireland, who has pointed out that this weapon has been used without due regard to the regulations governing its use?
Kan han i bekræftende fald oplyse os om, hvornår han vil aflægge beretning for Parlamentet om resultatet af den drøftelse, der ifølge ham skal finde sted i Rådet?
In other words, its use by an undisciplined and uncontrolled police force has resulted in death and serious injury. Is the President-in-Office concerned about this situation?
Andreotti, formand for Rådet. — ((IT) Rådet råder ikke over de oplysninger, som det ærede medlem anmoder om. Når det råder over oplysningerne, vil det bestemt drage de nødvendige konsekvenser på politisk plan.
Mr Balfe (S). — Can I thank Mr Marshall for keep ing this important issue before the House and ask Mr Andreotti whether he is aware that on a number of occasions Parliament has passed resolutions on this subject which Mr Gorbachov mentioned, in his recent visit to Britain, as constituting a major violation of human rights within the Community.
Schwalba-Hoth (ARC). - (DE) Er rådsformanden rede til af humanitære grunde både at sætte sig i for bindelse med USAs handelsministerium og de natio nale forsvarsministerier for at løse dette spørgsmål, der jo drejer sig om menneskerettigheder?
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) This problem was raised at the last partsession, and in the present state of affairs I see no need to take it up again.
For det går jo ikke an, at det amerikanske handelsministerium leverer torturinstrumenter — til NATO-lande og til Australien, New Zealand og Japan!
If there were reasons for doing so, whether directly or in connection with questions of a more general nature, we would see what could be done.
Andreotti. — (IT) Hvis anmodningen går ud på at optage kontakt for at uddybe spørgsmålet, er mit svar
Mr Pearce (ED). — Would the President-in-Office join me in reminding Mr Balfe that the vast majority of people in the United Kingdom take the view that if Mr Gorbachev wants to talk about human rights, he should concentrate first and foremost on the appalling human rights situation in his own country?
Heinrich (ARC). — (DE) Jeg vil i forbindelse med dette spørgsmål anmode om, at det udvides til også at dække, om der eventuelt også finder en eksport af know-how med hensyn til tortur sted fra USA til NATO-lande?
Mr Barrett (RDE). — Is the President-in-Office aware that there is no record of the security forces in
Andreotti. — (IT) I vores yderligere teknologiske undersøgelse vil vi også uddybe dette spørgsmål.
President.— We come now to questions to the For eign Ministers.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 80 af Marshall (H244/84):
Question No 100, by Mr Ephremidis (H-335/84): nation of a nuclear-free zone, both in Western and in Eastern Europe?
Om: Anvendelse af gummikugler i Irland
Subject: Respect of post-war frontiers in Europe and, in general, of the Helsinki Final Act
I betragtning af den bekymring, visse medlemmer af Europa-Parlamentet har udtrykt over anvendelsen af plastickugler i Nordirland, bedes Rådet oplyse, om det har drøftet forlydender om, at politiet i Irland har et lager af gummikugler.
In the light of the West German Government's reaction — also in the Council of Ministers — to the statements made by Mr Andreotti, would the Ministers state whether all the Member States of the Community respect the post-war frontiers in Europe and, in general, the Helsinki Final Act?
Har jeg forstået det rigtigt, når jeg fortolker det således, at disse kugler bliver gen stand for en behandling i Rådet, så snart de bringes i handelen eller eksporteres af Fællesskabet?
This obligation concerns all the provisions of the Final Act, including that which states that the participating States (and I quote)
Andreotti, formand for Rådet. — ((IT) Hr. formand, jeg henviser til, at det ikke henhører under Rådets kompetence at foretage vurderinger eller at beskæftige sig med dette spørgsmål, som i øvrigt kun vedrører et enkelt land i Fællesskabet.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I should like to say in reply that problems of defence are not, in fact, among the sub jects of political cooperation. However, since you began by asking me a question, I shall begin by answering it.
Andreotti. — (IT) Jeg tror ikke, at man her i slutningen af dette møde kan nøjagtig fastsætte, hvilke grænser der er for, hvad vi skal beskæftige os med, hvor vi skal beskæftige os med det, og hvornår vi skal be skæftige os med det.
I think that in the very difficult year that 1984 was, we and other countries did what was our duty in attempting to restore balance to a situation — here I am referring to the situation as regards missiles in Europe — that was extremely unbalanced.
Marshall (ED). — (EN) Jeg glæder mig over rådsformandens svar om, at han ikke mener, at dette spørgsmål henhører under Fællesskabets kompetence.
This has contributed much more to the reanimation of relations between the USA and the USSR than temporizing or failing to take a decision would have done.
Men kan jeg få en forsikring om, at hvis Fællesskabet nogen sinde var tåbelig nok til at afvige fra dette princip, ville det både undersøge situationen i Sydirland og i Nordirland?
What we have to work for is rather the reduction of armaments, disarmament in general, not the creation of oases which, moreover, from the technical point of view would not be safe oases either.
Sagen er bestemt alvorlig. Da jeg allerede har givet et svar, jeg vil næsten sige inkompetent, på dette område, vil vi ikke glemme, at man har talt om det.
. .. consider that their frontiers can be changed, in accordance with international law, by peaceful means and by agreement.
Andreotti. — (IT) I formiddags havde jeg måske mange jern i ilden. Hvis vi også skal indlede undersøgelser af de irske problemer, især efter at Irland har haft formandskabet og afgivet det igen, vil vi virkelig udsætte os for sådanne vilkår, at vi ikke kan arbejde.
The participating States regard as inviolable all one another's frontiers as well as the frontiers of all States in Europe and therefore they will refrain now and in the future from assaulting these frontiers. tiers.
McCartin (PPE). — (EN) Ville ministeren på bag grund af hans svar føle sig involveret, hvis gummikugler og plastickugler rent faktisk var blevet brugt af sikkerhedstropperne i Irland, hvis dette dræbende våben var blevet brugt mod forsvarsløse der ikke er bragt for en domstol, og hvis det havde resulteret i død og alvorlige kvæstelser?
Mr Gerontopoulos (PPE). — (GR) I should like to ask the Minister whether the Council of Foreign Min isters has discussed the question of adherence to the Helsinki agreements by the Eastern bloc countries, specifically by the Soviet Union.
Med andre ord har en udisciplineret og ukontrolleret politistyrkes brug heraf resulteret i død og alvorlige kvæstelser.
The open interference in the internal affairs of the Eastern European countries such as, for example, the Jaruszelski coup and the cancellation of the Honneger visit to West Germany. The constant jamming of radio broad casts.
Føler rådsformanden sig involveret i denne situation?
The way in which it impedes the free circulation of written matter and the free movement of people wishing to leave or visit its territory.
Må jeg derfor spørge hr. Andreotti, om han giver dette en vis prioritet, da jeg er sikker på, at det støtter os i vore bestræbelser for menneskerettighederne i Fællesskabet?
I should like to ask the Minister how the Council has reacted in the past and how it intends to react in the future to cases of violation by the Soviets of the spirit and the letter of the Helsinki agreements.
Andreotti. — (IT) I forhold til dengang, da Europa-Parlamentet beskæftigede sig med sagen, har der in gen nyheder været.
Mr Ephremidis (COM). — (GR) The President of the Council has certainly given a satisfactory reply, just as the statement he made provoking my question was for its part very correct.
Rådet svarede i sin tid, at der var truffet en bestemt afgørelse.
However, I must put a supplementary question to him.
Vi står fast på denne afgørelse.
Is it or is it not true that during the meeting of the Council in political cooperation Mr Andreotti was criticized for the state ment he had made?
Andreotti. — (IT) Jeg tror ikke, at dette problem, som bl.a. rejstes i sidste halvår, i øjeblikket bør tages op til fornyet overvejelse.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) The answer I have just given is, as is the rule with answers concerning political cooperation, based on a text agreed within the framework of political cooperation.
Hvis der kommer grunde til at gøre det — direkte eller i en sammenhæng med pro blemer af mere generel karakter — vil vi se, hvorledes vi kan beskæftige os med det.
Apart from that, this is a matter extraneous to the field of activities of the Minister of Foreign Affairs and of the Council of Ministers.