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Bemeldte center skal ifølge forslaget »varetage, lede og samordne det forskningsarbejde, der må gennemføres på fællesskabsplan vedrørende sikkerhed til søs og i det hele taget vedrørende alle midler til bekæmpelse af hav- og kystforsikring«.
According to' the report, the proposed centre would be responsible for 'organizing, encouraging and coordinating the research which needs to be carried out at Community level into promoting safety standards at sea and the protection of the marine environment and coastal areas'.
Det vil altså sige, at alle initiativer vedrørende f.eks. bekæmpelse af olieforurening i Nordsøen skal komme fra centret i Grækenland.
In other words all action aimed, for example, at combating oil pollution in the North Sea should come from a centre located in Greece.
Beklager: den tror jeg ikke på!
I am sorry ; I don't believe that.
Vi i EF skal ikke trække os ind i os selv på dette vigtige område, men tværtimod hjælpe méd en udadvendt indsats.
In this important area the EEC should not turn in on itself but rather help in a more outward looking effort.
I den sammenhæng skal man betænke, at vi i forbindelse med søfartssikkerhed generelt har at gøre med en række lande, der ikke er medlem af EF.
In this context we should bear in mind that, where safety at sea is concerned, we generally have to work together with countries which are not members of the EEC.
Det foreliggende forslag bærer præg af, at man af politiske grunde ønsker Grækenland udstyret med en EF-institution.
This report has all the appearance of having been drawn up because it was felt for political reasons that Greece should have an EEC institution.
Det kan jeg have en vis sympati for, men jeg synes ærlig talt man så skulle bekende ren kulør.
This is something I can sympathize with but I honestly believe that one should show one's true colours.
Når alt kommer til alt, var Grækenland måske bedre stillet, hvis nationen i stedet for centret fik overdraget et beløb svarende til prisen for oprettelse af et søfartssikkerhedsinstitut.
In the final analysis Greece would perhaps be better served if instead of the centre the country were given a sum of money equivalent to the cost of setting up an institute for safety at sea.
Forhandlinger i Europa-Parlamentet fremkommer som tillæg til De Europæiske Fælles skabers Tidende og omfatter:
Debates of the European Parliament, published as an annex to the Official Journal of the European Communities, comprise:
Enkeltnummer: Prisen er fastsat i hvert enkelt tilfælde og påtrykt hæftet.
Single issue: price set accordingly in each case and shown on cover.
KONTORET FOR DE EUROPÆISKE FÆLLESSKABERS OFFICIELLE PUBLIKATIONER
OFFICE FOR OFFICIAL PUBLICATIONS OF THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITIES ft
Tidende
No 1-306
Sessionen 1983-1984 Fuldstændigt referat af møderne fra den 14. til den 18. november 1983
Report of Proceedings from 14 to 18 November 1983
Mødet mandag den 14. november 1983
Sitting of Monday, 14 November 1983
Medet tirsdag den 15. november 1983
Sitting of Tuesday, 15 November 1983
Mødet onsdag den 16. november 1983
Sitting of Wednesday, 16 November 1983
(Fortsættes næste side)
231 — Cultural sector, p.
Mødet fredag den 18. november 1983
Sitting of Friday, 18 November 1983
Beslutninger, som er vedtaget under møderne fia den 14. til 18. november 1983, bekendt gøres i De Europæiske Fællesskabers Tidende C 342 af 19. december 1983.
Resolutions adopted at sittings of 14 to 18 November 1983 appear in the Official of the European Communities C 342 of 19 December 1983.
Bonaccini, Jacques Moreau, von Bismarck, Welsh, Alavanos, Tove Nielsen, Nyborg, Bonde, Papantoniou, Albers, Ortoli (Kommissionen) sionen)
Air Bonaccini; Air J. Alo reaη ; Air von Bismarck; Mr Welsh; Air Alavanos; Airs Tove Nielsen; Air Nyborg; Air Bonde; Mr Papantoniou ; Air Albers ; Mr Ortoli (Commission)
Skatteharmonisering — Omsætningsafgifter — Tobaksgifier. — Betænkninger (dok. 1-903/83 afRogalla, (dok. 1-777183) afBeumer og (dok. 1-907/83) af Jacques Moreau:
Tax harmonization — Turnover taxes — Taxes on tobacco: Reports (Doc.
Hvis ingen gør indsigelse, betragter jeg deri som godkendt.
Are there any comments ?
Forth (ED). — (EN) Jeg vil gerne bede Dem vejlede mig, hr. formand, med hensyn til om De synes, jeg skal rejse spørgsmålet om Viehoffbetænkningen nu, eller når De måske kommer til den senere, for den nævnes i protokollen fra fredag.
Mr Forth (ED). — I would like to ask your guidance, Mr President, as to whether you would like me to raise the matter of the Viehoff report now or when you, perhaps, touch on it later, because it is referred to in the minutes for Friday.
Formanden. — Protokollen fra mødet fredag den 28. oktober er omdelt.
President. — The Minutes of the sitting of Friday, 28 October have been distributed.
Formanden. — Jeg kan tage den op nu, det ser jeg intet problem i.
President. — Yes, I can deal with it now. I do not see any problem.
Jeg har modtaget en skrivelse fra det pågældende udvalgs formand, der attesterer, at antallet af tilstedeværende medlemmer var 7 og antallet af medlemmer, der stemte, 5.
I have received a letter from the chairman of that committee certifying that the number of members present was 7 and the number of members voting was 5.
Imidlertid er det antallet af tilstedeværende medlemmer, der bestemmer beslutningsdygtigheden.
However, the number of members present determines the quorum.
Jeg må derfor gå ud fra, at beslutningsdygtighed var nået, at afstemningen var gyldig, og at vi kan behandle betænkningen.
I have to assume, therefore, that the quorum was reached, that the vote was valid and that we can deal with the report.
Formanden. — Hr. Beazley, det hedder i artikel 103, stk. 1 :
President. — Mr Beazley, Rule 103 states:
Forth (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, der er to ting, der undrer mig.
Mr Forth (ED). — Mr President, I am curious about two things.
Hvordan er det muligt for nogen at vide, hvem der faktisk var i værelset under et givent udvalgsmøde, når der stemmes om en bestemt betænkning.
How could anyone possibly know who was actually in the room at a given committee meeting at the time of a particular vote on a particular report.
Jeg mener, det kræver tydeliggørelse.
I think that needs clarification ? I am not at all certain
Jeg er slet ikke sikker på — da jeg jo, som vi alle, ved, hvordan vore udvalg arbejder — at nogen kan vide, hvilke syv mennesker der var i et værelse, når kun fem navne blev noteret, de der havde stemt.
— knowing, as we all do, how our committees works — how someone could know which seven people were in a room when only five were recorded as voting.
Et udvalg er beslutningsdygtigt, når en fjerdedel af dets medlemmer faktisk er til stede.
A committee may validly vote when one-quarter of its members are actually present.
Hvis en sjettedel af dets medlemmer for en afstemnings begyndelse kræver det, er afstemningen dog kun gyldig, hvis et flertal af udvalgets medlemmer deltager i afstemningen.
However, if so requested by one-sixth of its members before voting begins, the vote shall be valid only if the majority of the current members of the committee have taken part in it.
Det næste er, om det nu er sådan, at situationen med hensyn til, hvem der stemte og var til stede på et givent udvalgsmøde, og hvad dette indebærer for fremtiden såvel som i dette særlige tilfælde, er aldeles fri, fleksibel og flydende?
The second is whether we now take it that the situation concerning who voted and was present at any given committee meeting and what that means for the future as well as for this particular occasion is entirely free, flexible and fluid.
Med andre ord: hvis de to, der ikke deltog i afstemningen, havde bedt om anvendelse af resten af artiklen, kunne der ikke stemmes, medmindre halv delen af medlemmerne var til stede.
In other words, if the two who did not participate in the vote had demanded the application of the rest of the Rule, no vote could have been taken unless half of the current members were present.
Men det ser ikke ud til at være sket, så det, der skete, var fuldt i over ensstemmelse med artikel 103.
But this seems not to have happened, so what happened was fully in conformity with Rule 103.
Jeg vil også gerne spørge, hvorfor vi ikke simpelt hen kan sende denne betænkning tilbage til udvalget og bede det om at stemme gyldigt og ordentligt, så enhver tvivl kan fjernes?
I would also like to ask why we cannot simply send this report back to the committee and ask it to vote validly and properly on it, thus putting it beyond all doubt ?
von der Vring (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, vedrørende de punkter, De nu vil ekspedere, er der fastlagt nogle frister.
Mr von der Vring (S). — (DE) Mr President, with reference to the items which you now wish to adopt, certain deadlines have been set for amendments.
Af de velkendte årsager har der været forsinkelser med dokumenterne.
For reasons which are known the documents were delayed.
Kan De statuere, at man for de pågældende betænkninger, der f.eks. endnu ikke var omdelt i sidste uge, vil omgås fristerne fleksibelt? belt?
Would you rule that a flexible attitude will be adopted with regard to deadlines for tabling amend ments to the relevant reports which e.g. were distributed last week ?
Formanden. — Min nysgerrighed er lige så stor som Deres, men jeg må holde mig til konklusionerne fra udvalgsformanden, der har meddelt mig, at antallet af tilstedeværende medlemmer var 7, og at der var 5, der stemte.
President. — My curiosity is as great as yours, but I have to go along with the conclusions of the chairman of the committee who has informed me that the number of members present was 7 and that the number voting was 5.
Antallet af tilstedeværende medlemmer bestemmer beslutningsdygtigheden, og i det øjeblik er mit problem løst.
The number of members present determines the quorum, and from that moment my problems are solved.
At der er et par andre tilbage, erkender jeg.
A few others remain, I accept that.
Formanden. — Hr. von der Vring, De er lidt for tidligt ude, for vi kommer til fristerne ved afslutning af drøftelsen om dagsordenen.
President. — Mr von der Vring, you are a little precipitous ; the deadline for tabling amendments will be discussed at the end of the debate on the agenda.
Men vi er os problemet særdeles bevidst.
However, we are fully aware of the problem.
Sir Peter Vanneck (ED). — (EN) I fortsættelse af hr. Forths bemærkning, hr. formand: Skal det forstås sådan, at 7 medlemmer skrev sig på listen til udvalgs mødet, eller var der 7 stemmer, 5 for og 2, der ikke stemte eller stemte imod?
Sir Peter Vanneck (ED). — Mr President, further to that point of order of Mr Forth, am I to understand that 7 people signed in for that committee meeting, or were there 7 votes, 5 for and 2 abstentions or against ?
Hvordan gik det i virkelig heden til?
How did it actually go ?
Formanden. — Jeg har opfattet det sådan, at 7 medlemmer havde skrevet sig på listen, og at 5 stemte.
President. — My understanding is that 7 members signed in and 5 voted.
Sir Peter Vanneck (ED). — (EN) Så må jeg mene, hr. formand, at det er meget utilfredstillende, for medlemmerne af Parlamentet vil vide, at folk under tiden skriver sig på listen, men ikke er til stede under drøftelsen og ikke er til stede ved afstemningen.
Sir Peter Vanneck (ED). — Then, Mr President, I suggest that that is very unsatisfactory, because Members of this House will be aware that people do occasionally sign in and then are not present at the debate and are not present to vote.
Selv følgelig er det usædvanligt, men jeg mener, at blot det, at man har skrevet sig på tilstedeværelseslisten, absolut ikke kan give beslutningsdygtighed.
Of course, that is unusual, but I feel that a mere signature on the attendance paper surely should not constitute a quorum.
(Munterhed)
(Loud laughter)
Og en af disse fundamentale formelle forskrifter er altid regien om beslutningsdygtighed.
And one of these fundamental formal provisions has always been the rule on the quorum.
Det, De nu faktisk siger, er, at i stedet for at undersøge det ordentligt ud fra selve betænkningen — for alene ud fra betænkningen kan det konstateres, hvem der har deltaget i afstemningen om betænkningen — lader De nu en udvalgsformand aflægge en slags -vidneforklaring over for Dem.
What you are now in fact saying is that, rather than ascertaining in a proper manner who took part in the vote by consulting the report — the only way of obtaining this information — you now intend to have a committee chairman make a kind of deposition.
Jeg må ærligt sige, at jeg er bange for, at hvis nogen sinde gyldigheden af en afstemning i dette udvalg bliver anfægtet — og det vil da være første gang — taber vi sagen.
I must tell you frankly that I am worried that, if the validity of the voting in this committee is ever disputed — and it would be the first time this has happened — we would lose the case.
Formanden. — Jeg har bekræftelse af, at på afstemningstidspunktet var der 7 medlemmer til stede, som jeg sagde, men at kun 5 deltog i afstemningen.
President. — I have confirmation that at the moment of the vote 7 members were present, as I said, but only 5 took part in the vote.
Det betyder, at der var lovlig beslutningsdygtighed, og at der ikke er noget problem, for så vidt angår denne betænknings gyldighed.
That means that a quorum was legally attained and that there is no problem as far as the validity of this report is concerned.
Naturligvis kan vi ændre forretningsordenen, men som forretningsordenen er nu, siger den præcis det, jeg fortalte Dem.
Of course, we could change the Rules, but the Rules as they read now indicate exactly what I told you.
Beazley (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, når De fortolker forretningsordenen med begreber som at være til stede og opnå beslutningsdygtighed, hvad er
The chairman's task is to ensure that a quorum exists on every occasion, and that is always very carefully done in the committees of which I am a member, the Legal Affairs Committee and the Committee on Transport.
Næste morgen, da afgørelsen blev meddelt af formanden, var det næst formand Estgen, der præsiderede, og han lovede også at sørge for, at sagen blev henvist til udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender.
The following morning when the ruling was handed down from the Presidency, Vice-President Estgen was in the Chair and he also undertook to see that the matter would be referred to the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions.
Derhen bør den, hr. formand, før der træffes nogen afgørelse i Parlamentet.
It should go there, Sir, before any decision by the House is taken.
(Hørt, Hørt!) imod? Nej.
Mr Seefeld looks round and asks: 'Those against?
Nej.« Så rejser hans sekretær sig op og tæller de tilstedeværende medlemmer, hvorefter hr. Seefeld erklærer, at der er opnået beslutningsdygtighed, og navnene på medlemmerne bliver så nævnt i betænkningen.
His secretary then stands up and counts the members present, after which Mr Seefeld declares that a quorum exists, but the names of those members then appear in the report.
Det er en praktisk fremgangsmåde.
That is a practical way of doing things.
På den måde havde hans kollega i det andet udvalg kunnet løse problemet.
His counterpart on the other committee could have solved his problem in this way.
Hvad jeg finder ualmindelig utilfredsstillende er, at beslutningsdygtighed skal konstateres på en anden måde end i selve betænkningen, hvor der altid skal stå, hvem der har deltaget i afstemningen.
What I find extremely un satisfactory is that the members actually present and those listed in the report differ, since the report must always state who took part in the vote.
Hr. formand, jeg skal naturligvis ikke nu anfægte Deres opfattelse, men jeg ville dog sætte pris på, at denne sag blev henvist til udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender i betragtning af de alvor lige konsekvenser, den kan have.
Mr President, I do not, of course, wish to dispute your judgement, but I would appreciate it if this matter could be referred to the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions, in view of the major repercussions it may have.
Formanden. — Jeg konstaterer endnu en gang, at teksten i artikel 103 lyder:
I again note that Rule 103 reads as
Et udvalg er beslutningsdygtigt, når en fjerdedel af dets medlemmer faktisk er til stede.
President. follows : a committee may validly vote when one quarter of its members are actually present.
Formanden. — Hr. Kellett-Bowman, jeg har kun én bemærkning at gøre.
President. — Mr Kellett-Bowman, I have only one remark to make.
De siger, at man ikke efterfølgende kan konkludere, at det krævede antal medlemmer var til stede.
You say that one cannot conclude after the fact that the required number of Members was present.
Jeg tror ikke, det er i over ensstemmelse med artikel 103.
I do not think that that is in accordance with Rule 103.
En formand for et udvalg kan kun lade foretage afstemning, når der er beslutningsdygtighed, så vi må gå ud fra, at der var beslutningsdygtighed i det øjeblik, afstemningen fandt sted.
A chairman of a committee can only take a vote when he has a quorum, so we have to assume that there was a quorum at the moment that the vote was taken.
Det rejser en række fortolkningsproblemer, det er jeg enig i. Men jeg må gå ud fra, at da formanden for udvalget om ungdom, kultur, uddannelse, information og sport tod stemme, var der beslutningsdygtighed.
That creates a number of problems of interpretation, I agree, but I have to assume that when the chairman of the Committee on Youth, Culture, Education, Information and Sport took a vote a quorum was present.
Ellers ville han ikke have gjort det, for så ville han overtræde artikel 103.
Otherwise he would not have done so because he would have been in contravention of Rule 103.
(Protokollen godkendtes) (')
(Parliament adopted the agenda) '
Formanden. — I sit møde den 26. oktober 1983 vedtog det udvide præsidium det omdelte forslag til dagsorden.
President. — At its meeting on 26 October 1983 the enlarged Bureau drew up the draft agenda which has been distributed.
På mødet i formiddags bemyndigede gruppeformændene mig til at foreslå Dem en række ændringer.
At this morning's meeting the chairmen of the political groups instructed me to propose a certain number of amendments to the House.
Den siger altså ikke noget om deltagelse i afstemningen af denne fjerdedel af medlemmerne.
It does not state that 'one quarter of the members' must actually vote. They must be there !
Den meddelelse, jeg har modtaget fra formanden for udvalget om ungdom, kultur, uddannelse, information og sport, siger, at en fjerdedel af medlemmerne var til stede.
The information I have received from the Chairman of the Committee on Youth, Culture, Education, Information and Sport is that 'one quarter of the members were present'.
Og det er den fortolkning af bestemmelserne, der blot skal gives her.
That is the only interpretation of the rules to be given here.
Jeg indrømmer, at det er en noget utilfredsstillende situation, og at det ville være ønskeligt, om udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender kiggede nærmere på det igen, men jeg siger samtidig, at det forekommer mig vanskeligt at give en fortolkning af artikel 103, der afviger meget fra teksten, som den i øjeblikket ser ud.
I admit that that is a somewhat unsatisfactory situation and that it is desirable that the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions should consider the matter but at the same time I must state that I think it would be difficult to give an interpretation of Rule 103 which would have implications beyond the text which we are now considering.
Det vil da forudsætte en ændring af artikel 103.
That would presuppose an interpretation of Rule 103.
Jeg mener ikke, at det er det, De ønsker.
I do not think that that is what you are asking for.
De ønsker en fortolkning fra udvalget for forretningsordenen, ikke andet, og det skal jeg gerne bede det om.
You are simply asking for an interpretation by the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions and I am fully prepared to consult them.
(Formanden oplæste ændringerne af dagsordenen for mandag) (2)
(The President read the amendments agenda)2
Hvad angår onsdag:
Wednesday :
Med hensyn til afstemningstiden om eftermiddagen vil man gå frem i denne rækkefølge :
Voting time on Wednesday afternoon would be organ ized as follows :
Hvad henvisning til udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender angår, lovede næstformand Nikolaou, der behandlede spørgsmålet i Parlamentet, da sagen kom frem, at henvise den til det kompetente udvalg.
As I have pointed out to you on previous occasions when you were a Vice-President of this House, there are five ways of responding to a vote : for, against, physically abstaining, sitting on one's hands or being out of the room.
Jeg opfattede det som udvalget for forret
On this occasion you are trying to presume that
Denne afstemning blev udsat i anden mødeperiode i oktober.
This vote was adjourned at the second October partsession.
Formanden for det kompetente udvalg har attesteret, at der i afstemningsøjeblikket var 7 medlemmer til stede.
The Chaiman of the committee responsible has stated that at the time the vote was taken seven members were present.
Der skal derfor stemmes om den;
It must therefore be put to the vote ;
— afstemning om de forslag til beslutning, hvorom forhandlingen er afsluttet.
— vote on motions for resolutions on which the debate has been closed.
Hvis vi bliver enige i budgetudvalget i aften, vil vi meget hurtigt kunne give Dem meddelelse.
If things go well tonight in the Committee on Budgets we shall inform you very quickly.
Vi håber, at der så kun skal foretages ganske få ændringer, der meget hurtigt kan omdeles til medlemmerne.
We hope that very few changes will then be necessary and that it will be possible to distribute them to the Members very quickly.
Jeg anbefaler altså, at afstemningen over forslagene til Arndt-betænkningen sættes på onsdagens dagsorden.
I recommend therefore that the vote on the amendments to the Arndt report be placed on the agenda for Wednesday.
Barbi (PPE). — (IT) Hr. formand, desværre var jeg forhindret i at deltage i gruppeformandsmødet i formiddags, men jeg har fået at vide, at erklæringen af hr. Arndt om hans betænkning vedrørende Fælles skabets egne indtrægter — det drejer sig om ganske enkle oplysninger, som han ønsker at give forsamlingen om, hvad man er blevet enige om i budgetudvalget, som allerede har drøftet den — tillige med afstemningen herover skulle være udsat til fredag, hvor de skal indgå mellem de uopsættelige forhand linger, Kommissionen og Rådet har anmødet om.
Mr Barbi (PPE). — (IT) Mr President, unfortunately I was unable to attend the meeting of Group chairmen this morning, but I have been informed that Mr Arndt's statement on his report on own resources, in which he will simply inform Parliament about the Committee on Budgets decisions concerning the report, since the matter has already been discussed, and voting on the report have been deferred until Friday and will be included in the items for which urgent procedure has been requested by the Commission and the Council.
Formanden. — Hr. Lange, vi er alle af den opfattelse, at det er en vigtig betænkning, der direkte tager sigte på hovedpunkterne i denne uges dagsorden, nemlig forberedelserne til topmødet i Athen.
President. — Mr Lange, we all accept that this is an important report which is directly concerned with the principal items on this week's agenda, namely the preparations for the Athens Summit.
Hvis der i morgen tidlig vedtages uopsættelighed, bliver det samtidig besluttet, at den skal behandles endnu i denne uge.
If urgency is agreed tomorrow morning, it will also be decided that it will be dealt with this week.
Hvis det så viser sig, at det kun drejer sig om afstemning, vil vi forsøge at gøre det i afstemningstiden på onsdag.
If it then appears that it is only a question of voting, we shall endeavour to hold the vote during voting time on Wednesday.
Men det bør vi først beslutte, når vi har de ændringsforslag, som der først skal træffes afgørelse om i aften.
However, we can only decide that if the amendments which still have to be decided on this evening are available.