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Når alt kommer til alt, vil de, der stemmer for denne beslutning i dag, stemme for institutionelt anarki og imod medlemsstaternes borgeres legitime interesser.
I could very well give my support to the second part of this paragraph but not to the first — indeed I fed that I must support the second part.
Det gælder stadig, at disse interesser kun kan sikres af medlemsstaternes regeringer, og vi stemmer ikke for en overførsel af dette ansvar til Kommissionen.
It is, in my view, impossible for this House to invite the Egyptian President and call itself the elected representation of the people of Europe and then to back out when nothing more or less is at issue than the appoint ment of the body in charge of the 8 000 officials in Brussels who are running the whole show.
Hørte jeg Dem virkelig sige det? Hvis det er tilfældet, tror jeg, at det ikke er efter forretningsordenen og ikke burde finde sted.
We are not going to make any progress in Europe if we slavishly cling to the Treaties of 1957.
For det første: vi ønsker at deltage i afstemningen og vi synes, det er meget vigtigt, at der foreligger et forslag til beslutning.
Mr Haralampopoulos. — (EL) The motion for a resolution does not reflect either the spirit or the letter of the Treaties.
Vi beklager derimod, at der ikke kan opnås en større enstemmighed, hvem der end må bære skylden for det.
We are therefore forced to conclude that this is an attempt to bring about an institutional change which is not provided for in the Treaties.
Vi deltager i afstemningen, fordi vi synes det er logisk efter godkendelsen af Rey-betænkningen, og ligeledes fordi der ikke alene er tale om en vigtig nyskabelse for det direkte valgte Parlament og for de interinstitutionelle forhold, men også fordi det er en nødvendighed, hvis Parlamentet tager sig selv alvorligt og vil gøre et seriøst indtryk udadtil.
On behalf of the Panhellenic Socialist Movement of Greece, I declare that we shall abstain from voting, for the simple reason that we do not wish to legitimize by our participation a procedure which is not provided for in the Treaties and which seeks to establish a new institutional order.
Fich. — Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne sige, at jeg betragter hele denne procedure som overordentlig farlig.
President. — I call Mr Tyrrell on a point of order.
Det er klart, at der i traktaterne er dækning for, at man kan udtrykke mistillid til Kommissionens virksomhed, men dette er noget ganske andet.
I mentioned the reservations I have on this matter when we discussed and adopted the Rey report.
Jeg var naturligvis beredt til at diskutere Kommissionens program, og det ville jeg da også gerne deltage i, fordi det synes jeg var fornuftigt.
As for Paragraph 2, while appreciating Mr Thorn's efforts, I must say that as Socialist Members of the European Parliament we cannot give our support, or at least our full support, to the political principles underlying the Commission's programme.
Men det, at vi nu højtideligt skal indsætte Kommissionen, synes jeg i virkeligheden er traktatstridigt. Jeg vil derfor ikke stemme for denne beslutning eller ¡mod den eller blankt.
If there can be a separate vote on the two parts of Paragraph 1 — which is what Mr Schmid asked for just now — we shall vote against the first part but in favour of the rest of the paragraph.
Jeg vil protestere ved at nægte at deltage i afstemningen.
We shall be voting in favour of Paragraph 3 and abstaining on the motion for a resolution as a whole.
For det andet: vi kan imidlertid ikke stemme for for slaget til beslutning.
Mr Tyrrell. — Actually, Mr President, my point is under Rule 32 (1) (d) and I wish to move the adjourn ment of this debate.
Vi vil afholde os fra at stemme, ikke fordi nogle dele af forslaget er os imod eller ikke kan opnå vor godkendelse, tværtimod.
The reason I wish to move it is this: it is quite clear that there is a wide divergence of view in this Chamber on how this motion should be dealt with.
Men fordi det har store lakuner. Vort største besvær er, at vi i Kommissionens erklæring om dens handlingsprogram kun har hørt generelle, smukt formulerede, men ofte vage principper.
It is a motion of great constitutional importance in the Parliament because it is the first time this directlyelected Parliament has had to consider what to do about the appointment of a new Commission and the presentation of its programme.
Faktisk giver vi Kommissionen the benefit of doubt, men en tilkendegivelse af vor tillid vil vi gøre afhængig af de konkrete politiske synspunkter, som vi meget gerne snarest vil erfare fra Kommissionens side.
At the moment this motion runs the risk of being defeated because people will vote against it for entirely different reasons, some because it is not strong enough; some because it is too strong; some because we have no constitutional power; some because we have.
Europa-Parlamentets forhandlinger modsatte: ikke at godkende indsættelsen..Der er en væsentlig forskel dér.
Debates of the European Parliament
Hr. formand, må jeg spørge Dem, hvornår formand Fanti vil få ordet?
Tyrrell down which will enable this House to express its majority view.
Idet jeg efter forretningsgangen faktisk er forpligtet til at tage ordet efter ham, vil jeg gerne have, at den også over holdes i aften.
President. — Mr Ryan, I have been assured that the electronic system was checked today and that it was working properly. We shall therefore use the system for the roll-call votes.
Formanden. — Jeg giver Dem ordet, fordi De er den næste på talerlisten.
(Applause from certain quarters of the European Democratic Group)
De vil sikkert ikke lade denne mulighed for at tale gå Dem forbi . . .
President. — I call Mr Bangemann to speak on the proposal which has just been made.
(Munterhed)
Mr Bangemann. — (D) Mr President, I fully realize that opinions differ in this House.
Jeg anmoder ganske enkelt om op retholdelse af den rækkefølge, der altid har været anvendt her i Parlamentet: min gruppe får ordet efter de større grupper.
For the rest, I feel that the motion before us is perfectly clear and speaks for itself.
Grunden til, at jeg vil stemme for dette forslag til beslutning, er ikke, at jeg er tilfreds med det hand lingsprogram, som hr. Thorn har fremlagt, det er jo gjort klart her i eftermiddag under forhandlingen.
President. — In accordance with the decision taken earlier today, we shall now vote on the request for deferral to the next partsession of the Lalor report (Doc. 1-532/80) on the Western Sahara.
Men jeg ser det trods alt som en mulighed, når der i punkt 2 i forslaget til beslutning står, at man anmoder Kommissionen om at give møde i Parlamentets relevante udvalg med henblik på snarest muligt at drøfte programmet nærmere.
(Parliament rejected the request)2
Men eftersom De for første gang giver afkald på at få ordet, giver jeg det til hr. Welsh.
1-698/ 80) on STABEX to be deferred to the next partsession.
{Munterhed)
(Parliament agreed to the request)
Pannella. helst!
(Parliament rejected the request)
Hr. formand, både hr. Berlinguer og hr. Spinelli har givet udtryk for de italienske kommunister og beslægtedes kritik af hr. Thorns redegørelse for Kommissionen, og jeg behøver derfor ikke at gøre det.
Mr Prag. — Mr President, after consulting the Chairman of the Committee on Social Affairs and Employment, I repeat to you, who were also in fact in the chair when I last made the same request at the January partsession, the request that, under Rule 32 (1) (d), the debate on my report on the linking of work and training for young people should be adjourned.
Den er ikke engang begyndelsen til et svar på det, hr. Thorn har sagt.
It is with the greatest regret that I ask for the adjournment.
Jeg personlig kan ikke stemme for denne beslutning, fordi der oprigtigt talt ikke er noget, der er værd at stemme for.
There would be no point in discussing it at midnight tonight in a virtually empty Chamber.
Lige ledes kan jeg heller ikke stemme imod den, fordi der ikke er noget, der er værd at stemme imod.
That is why, under Rule 32 (1) (d), I beg to move the adjournment of the debate.
(Bifald fra visse af den europæiske demokratiske gruppes pladser)
(Parliament agreed to the request)
Over for hr. Thorn vil jeg blot påpege, at vi ikke ønsker løfter, men derimod bindende tilsagn, der fylder tomrummet mellem alt for generelle bemærk ninger — som vi alle må være enige i — og utilstrækkelige retningslinjer, i forbindelse med hvilke man i øvrigt ikke tager hensyn til alle de forslag og beslut ningsforslag, som i løbet af det sidste halvandetårs tid er blevet godkendt af Pari mentet.
Therefore, before the vote is taken I, as a Member of this Parliament and in conformity with my responsibilities as a Quaestor, must warn the House that the validity of the vote may be open to question. I am saying that, Mr President, for this reason: when this morning I pointed out that there were mistakes I was accused of rising on the matter simply because the results did not please me.
Når det drejer sig om dette beslutningsforslag, er jeg ikke enig med de italienske kommunister og beslægtede.
We are using a toy which we cannot rely on when making a serious and an historical decision, as some people have said, in relation to the future of the Parliament.
Vi mener nemlig, at dette beslutningsforslag er noget udover det sædvanlige.
By roll-call vote: see minutes of proceedings, OJ No C 50 of 9. 3. 1981.
I andet punkt tager man programmet til efterretning uden dog at have mod til at sige, at man godkender dette program.
By roll-call vote requested by Mr Glinne on behalf of the Socialist Group: see minutes of proceedings, OJ No C 50 of 9. 3. 1981.
(Bifald fra yderste venstre fløj)
(Mixed reactions)
må sige Dem, at jeg er glad for det.
Thursday or a Wednesday.
For fjorten dage siden glædede jeg mig i det politiske udvalg over, at vi besluttede at vedtage et forslag til beslutning til støtte for en ny Kommissions tilblivelse.
President. — I understand your feelings, Mr Rogers, but as one who has often chaired the proceedings you know the Rules of Procedure as well as I do: proposal from the Commission to the Council (Doc.
Jeg glædede mig endvidere over at høre den nye formand for Kommissionen understrege de institutionelle problemer i højere grad end sin forgænger.
1-471/80) for a regulation on the common organization of the market in sugar;
Men jeg beklager dybt de vilkår, hvorunder Parlamentet forelægger en tekst.
Reference to committee may be requested at any time.
Jeg håber, at vi under andre omstændigheder vil kunne møde frem her i Parlamentet uden at skulle forhandle og alligevel kunne vedtage tingene straks.
Such a request shall always be granted if it is made in person by the chairman or rapporteur of the committee responsible.
Ærede kolleger, i modsætning til mange af vore kolleger mener vi, at forslaget til beslutning om indsættelsen af Kommissionen er i fuld overensstemmelse med traktaterne og især med ånden i artikel 144, der ovenikøbet er blevet styrket af den fortolkning af Rey-dokumentet, som vi godkendte for et par måneder siden. Hvis man i henhold til denne artikel tillader cencuren, kan det ikke undgå at være ensbetydende med, at man også tillader en indsættelse, altså med andre ord et tillidsvotum som gør Kommissionen mere direkte ansvarlig over for Parlamentet, sådan som vi altid har ønsket.
Mr Bocklet, rapporteur. — (D) Mr President, in view of the importance of the organization of the market in sugar and the fact that we were supposed to vote tomorrow, at a time when there is bound to be a very poor attendance in the House, and in view of the fact also that 55 amendments have been tabled, I hereby request that the report and the amendments be referred to committee, in accordance with Rule 29 (6) of the Rules of Procedure.
Pannella. — (fr.)
Mr Rogers. — I am perfectly aware of that, Mr President.
Hr. formand, jeg vil stemme imod denne beslutning af meget enkle grunde, forekommer det mig.
It does not add to the dignity of the House to have two of its Vice-Presidents arguing over procedure.
For det første siger man i denne beslutning, af medlemmerne af flertallet her i Parlamentet godkender de politiske principper, som De har udtrykt.
But, as I understand it, the purpose of the rule which is now being invoked was simply to enable a report to be referred back to the committee if there were factual or textual errors in the text before the House.
Men vi er absolut imod hold ningerne hos flertallet i Parlamentet. Vi er absolut imod Rådets politik.
I am sorry and apologize for raising this, Mr President, because I could well be in your position.
Det er indlysende, at vi under disse betingelser ikke politisk set kan kautionere for Deres program.
President. — As this request has been made by the rapporteur, reference to committee is automatic.
Mine kolleger og jeg stemmer derfor for forslaget til beslutning om indsættelsen af den nye Kommission, og vi ønsker helt bortset fra vore bemærkninger og vor kritik at give udtryk for vor glæde over det politiske anstrøg, som hr. Thorn har givet sin beretning.
President. — There is nothing in the Rules of Procedure which says that the rapporteur must give reasons for his request.
Men de har med rette understreget, at det er nødvendigt, at Kommissionen optræder kollegialt.
What does Mr Curry want to do with his report, which was supposed to be considered jointly with the Bocklet report?
Desværre kan jeg ikke gå ind for punkt 1, fordi dette punkt på en særdeles karakterløs måde gengiver, hvad der rører sig i Parlamentet.
Mr Rogers. — Mr President, I understand that although this is, generally done, we have now had two instances of items being withdrawn from the agenda.
Som det er nu, har vi overhovedet ikke haft del i udnævnelsen af Kommissionen.
I certainly do not need advice from anyone in the hall. I am addressing my remarks to you as President, Mr Pflimlin.
Det er, de kraftfulde udtalelser, der er anvendt her taget i betragtning, meget slapt at sige, at vi i fremtiden-vil deltage i en sådan udnævnelse.
If this is to be the case, and if people are simply to wait for a full Chamber in order to present reports we are really going to wind up with a ridiculous nonsense!
Hvad vi ønskede var, jeg har allerede sagt det i mit indlæg, et politisk handlingsprogram for de næste fire år, som vi vil kunne drøfte med Kömmissionen.
Mr President, I can be very precise and brief on this report because it was voted unanimously in the Committee on Agriculture.
Hr. formand Thorn, på vegne af os allesammen giver jeg Dem de bedste ønsker med på vejen. Jeg tror desværre, at De som den føderalist, De var, den euro pæer og det modige menneske, De er, ikke vil kunne fuldføre den opgave, der påhviler Dem.
At 3 o'clock this afternoon, when I declared the sitting resumed, there was a debate on the report by Mr Thorn.
Jeg er en af underskriverne af »Krokodillen«, og jeg
A Friday is just the same as a
I punkt 3 står der, at der hersker tilfredshed med Kommissionens løfte om at komme med et dokument før den 1. oktober 1981. Denne tilfredshed deler jeg fuldtud, fordi jeg forventer, at de politiske principper
The conditions have, of course, changed completely now because those proposals are no longer on the table and the Commission has in fact substituted different proposals which do not involve a cut in the crucial aid quotas.
Vi er jo stadig interesseret i godt samarbejde med Kommissionen, og det ønsker vi at give udtryk for i vores afstemning.
Commission still has reservations about transferring quotas for the manufacture of raw sugar from sugar producers in the French overseas departments to be used by sugar producers in metropolitan France.
Vi vil altså som tyske socialdemokrater i den socialistiske gruppe deltage i afstemningen, fordi vi er over bevist om, at den kan bidrage til at styrke Det euro pæiske Parlaments position og indflydelse, og vi har brug for et stærkt pro-europæisk Parlament...
On the other hand, the Commission has, as previously, no objection to a transfer of sugar quotas, under certain conditions, from one sugar producer in the French overseas territories to another so as to take account of the production quotas set for the coming years under the development plans now in operation in these departments.
(Bifald fra forskellige pladser) van den Heuvel. — (ne.)
The Communist and Allies Group has
Men det program, som Kommissionen i går har forelagt os, er så vagt, at jeg umuligt kan udtale min tillid til Kommissionen på grund af det. Jeg vil derfor stemme mod forslagets punkt 2.
What we would not be prepared to accept is any special conditions for the overseas territories which had the effect of increasing the net global production quotas of France.
Vi vil også stemme, fordi det er uforeneligt med en parlamentarikers, med et parlamentsmedlems værdighed at undlade at stemme.
I hope that this House will be able to follow that unanimity.
Med hensyn til punkt 1, godkendelsen af Kommissionens udnævnelse, vil jeg sige, at jeg beklager meget, at der ikke er udnævnt kvinder til medlem af Korrimissionen.
Accordingly, there is no further reason for us to discuss it now as it has been incorporated in the new draft regulation and in Mr Bocklet's report.
Enhver kender min opfattelse af denne sag efter at jeg ved drøftelserne af betænkningen af Rey har forelagt et ændringsforslag, hvori jeg har krævet, at mindst tre kvjnder udnævnes som medlemmer af Kommissionen.
However, since Mr Curry was prepared to defend his position, I think it only right that I should say that we are in perfect agreement with the conclusions of his motion for a resolution as set out in paragraphs 6, 7, 8 and 9.
Hvis der imidlertid havde været forelagt et program, der kunne opnå min godkendelse, ville jeg have stemt for en tillidserklæring.
It is right to emphasize the specific problems of sugar producers in the French overseas departments, precisely because they are sugar cane producers and precisely because these are singlecrop countries where sugar plays a decisive role in the overall economy.
Jeg mener, at det er redeligt også at gøre det nu.
The specific nature of the problem was also stressed by the ACP-EEC Joint Committee which met in Arusha.
Derfor vil jeg stemme for punkt 1, men ikke for punkt 2 og ved den afsluttende afstemning vil jeg undlade at stemme.
It is the reason why the quotas granted to the overseas departments, because of the specific and basic nature of the sugar economy, should not in our opinion be transferred elsewhere.
Min hensigt var, at vi i dette Parlament skulle kunne finde sammen ikke blot i negative afstemninger, således som Traktaten giver os mulighed for, men også i en positiv afstemning i relation til Kommissionen og derved at udnytte de muligheder, som Traktaten ikke udtrykkelig forbyder.
This is why, while we are all for the transfer of quotas from one canesugar producing overseas department to another, we are totally opposed to the transfer of any cane sugar quota to the quota for beet sugars.
Den anden er af en anden karakter, den er i høj grad mere politisk. Jeg vil sige, at når man lytter til formand Thorn, opfatter man ikke, at han etablerer en forbindelse mellem den økonomiske, den sociale òg den politiske krise. Han taler om krisen som om et jordskælv eller om en oversvømmelse. Men for os er krisen en politik.
I should like to thank Mr Curry for his report, arid to emphasize the point which Mr Curry himself touched on, namely that to a large extent his report is based on the Commission proposal of November 1979 on the future organization of the market in sugar and that for this reason in fact it is to a large extent out of date.
Og da vi mener, at den politik, man vil følge, er intet andet end godkendelsen af en hæmningsløs frihandel, nægter vi af disse grunde at deltage i denne afstemning, idet vi således samtidig respekterer bestemmelserne i traktaten og vores politiske orientering.
As regards the B-quotas for the overseas departments, the Committee on Agriculture has raised no objections to our proposal to fix them at 5 % of the A-quotas.
Når vi her har en række forbehold og betænkeligheder ved det fremlagte forslag til beslutning, så skyldes det også, at gruppen selv har besluttet ikke at deltage i udformingen af forslaget.
To take up a point made by the rapporteur, I feel I must add that the overseas departments should not benefit from any preferential treatment, as they are countries which are part of the Community.
Og naturligvis kan vi heller ikke fuldt ud billige punkt 2, når kommissionsformand Thorns tale ikke gav udtryk for de ting, vi havde ventet, men man kunne og burde have fundet nogle fælles formuleringer, der kunne have
What is more, we shall have an opportunity to discuss this matter and it may not be necessary to take a vote on this subject in Parliament.
Mødet torsdag den 12. februar 1981
Sifting of Thursday, 12 February 1981
demokrater ville forsøge ikke blot at forsvare en repræsentativ demokratiske forfatning med fastlagte rettigheder for dette Parlament, men også at udbygge den i overensstemmelse med kravene i et forfatningsmæssigt parlamentarisk demokrati.
Verges are members of the Community, why is it that the intervention price for sugarbeet is paid when the product leaves the processer, whereas, in our coun­tries, the intervention price is only applied at the port of embarkation, not on leaving the refinery, expendi­ture incurred between the refinery and the port of embarkation being the responsibility of the planters and sugar producers on the island of Réunion?
Det betyder, at Parlamentet ved hver ny indsættelse af Kommissionen ikke blot har ret man også pligt til at ytre sig derom og at stemme derom.
It seems to us — if the rapporteur agrees — that this would be a good opportunity to eliminate unfair discrimination and to put us on an equal footing by eradicating this injustice.
Hvis den foreliggende tekst havde været formuleret i disse enkle ord, så tror jeg, at Parlamentets kritiske medlemmer havde kunnet finde sammen.
The intervention price for Réunion cane sugar should be paid when it leaves the refinery, as in the ten Member States, and not at the port of embarkation, whereby the transport costs are borne by the producers.
Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne anmode om, at afstemningen om punkt 1 bliver delt i to, for punktet indeholder to ting, der intet har med hinanden at gøre.
In other words, it is only right and fair that the price paid should be an ex­factory price and not a fob price, and that the costs of transporting sugar to continental Europe should be reimbursed in accordance with actual costs and nöt on a flat­rate basis.
For det første siges der: »Godkender indsættelsen af Kommissionen«. Det er den ene ting.
In addition, national aid, as in Italy's case, should not only be maintained, but no phased reduc­tion should take place either because this would result in its total disappearance at the end of five years.
Flere af de tidligere talere har tydeligt forklaret, hvorfor man efter min gruppes mening ikke kan stemme for dette punkt.
It has to be recognized that the combined effects of climate, geography, geology, economic and technical environ­ment are such that sugar­cane factories in overseas departments are just not able to compete at the same level with European firms which produce sugar from beet.
Det andet element lyder: »Kræver endnu en gang for fremtiden at blive inddraget i udnævnelsen af Kommissionen«.
For this very reason, it is both right and essential that national aid should be maintained in its entirety until sugar­cane production in the overseas depart­ments has reached the level where it can fairly compete with sugarbeet production in continental Europe.
Jeg ville meget vel kunne stemme for det andet element, men ikke det første, og jeg skal gerne forklare, hvorfor jeg mener, at jeg faktisk er nødt til at stemme for det andet element.
Similarly, the 2­5 % levy on the Α­sugar price should not be applied to areas such as the overseas departments; on the contrary, they must be encour­aged to produce more in order to create more jobs locally.
Det er da absurd.
President.