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Det er nemlig meget forskelligt. I nogle lande har man kun en kontrolfunktion, i andre har man også en beslutningskompetence.
We cannot in my opinion overlook the fact that it is quite simply necessary for company structures to be brought into line on basic questions, if we are to talk of harmonization at all.
Der hvor man kun har en kontrolfunktion, er det ikke noget,
We don't expect it to be achieved overnight; we want, as the Commission has proposed, to allow a transition period.
Først en bemærkning til noget, hr. Nicolson har sagt.
I would even say that the time limit for this period of transition is open to discussion.
Jeg ved ikke, om han stadig er til stede.
The aim must, however, be clear.
Jeg vil gerne opklare en misforståelse, som han åbenbart — som de andre britiske medlemmer af retsudvalget — gør sig skyldig i, nemlig at det femte direktiv og direktivet om høring af og samråd med arbejdstagerne i multinationale virksomheder er nogenlunde det samme.
For that reason, we deeply deplore — and I can only agree with the previous speakers — that Commissioner Narjes yesterday already trimmed his sails and in his answers to other questions let it be understood that he is clearly not defending the Commission pro posal, as any self-respecting government would do in a national parliament.
Bortset derfra spørger jeg mig selv: Hvilket princip for den kristelige moral er i modstrid med arbejdstagernes ligeberettigede medbestemmelsesret i de store virksomheder?
Mr Geurtsen, it is worth pointing out, said that co-determination serves the interests of economic growth — or words to that effect.
Det er allerede lidt påfaldende, at de herrer Brok og Fischbach har henvist til den kristne . sociallære.
Mr Vetter has already gone into the question of parity on the supervisory bodies.
Hvor velmenende hr. Beumers forslag, der stiller den fulde paritet i udsigt, end er i denne forbindelse, så kan vi dog få tredjedelspariteten allerede her og nu, bare vi vil.
I should merely like to make it clear here that — in agreement with the European Trade Union Confederation — we want full par ity!
Opbygningen af den er dog i retsudvalgets forslag lige så svag som den fore slåede vedrørende repræsentationen i kontrolorganerne.
Our experience in countries which have co-determination shows clearly that the danger of friction losses is con siderably reduced if workers are involved in the pro cess of economic decision making.
Derfor beder jeg Dem og alle dem, der virkelig vil have arbejdstagerrepræsentation, om at gå ind for den særlige arbejdstagerrepræsentation, således som vi kræver det i vores forslag.
Farsighted industrialists know that. Hence it is only a question of far-sightedness, and I urge those who are still prepared to support the Geurtsen report in its present form to show far-sightedness and imagination in their vote on this important directive.
Til slut endnu en bemærkning om de kriterier, hvor efter medbestemmelsen overhovedet skal sætte ind. Der er jo de kendte tal 100, 500, 1 000.
Mr von Bismarck said that for him co-determination was a question of christian-democratic morality.
Jeg vil blot, mine damer og herrer, henvise til, at vi i stigende grad befinder os i en proces, hvor økonomisk set uhyre vigtige virksomheder takket være elektronik og rationalisering kun beskæftiger relativt få arbejdstagere.
Aside from that, the question occurs to me: what principle of christian morality is opposed to participation of work ers on equal terms in the affairs of the big corporations? Colleagues Brok and Fischbach are going a bit far when they invoke the social teachings of Christian ity.
Dér kan man da ikke lade arbejdstagernes økonomiske medbestemmelse ude af betragtning, og derfor har vi foruden tallet 100 foreslået som kriterium en årlig omsætning på 1,5 mio ERE.
The Beumer amendment, which aims at full parity, is certainly well meant in this connection, but we could have a tripartite arrangement right now, if only we wanted it.
Desuden vil jeg henvise til, at det egentlig burde være en selvfølge, at det i direktivet foreslåede medlem af ledelsesorganet, der er ansvarligt for personale spørgsmål og arbejdsforhold, ikke kan udnævnes eller afsættes mod flertallet af arbejdstageres vilje.
I should like to draw special attention to the fact that, although the proposal of the Legal Affairs Committee calls for special employee representation, such as we demand in our motions, the structure envisaged for it in the document of the Legal Affairs Committee is as weak as that envisaged for representation on the supervisory bodies.
Også her anmoder jeg om, at man følger vores forslag.
I urge you therefore and all who really want worker participation to adopt the particular form of representation called for in our amend-
Hr. Brok har her rejst spørgsmålet om mindretalsrettigheder i arbejdstagerrepræsentationen og har sagt, at de stakkels mindretal burde beskyttes.
Mr Chanterie. — (NL) Mr President, some Members of this Parliament have rightly pointed out that the central issues in this Fifth Directive are the decision making structure of companies and above all the role played by employees in this decision-making.
Mine damer og herrer, de stakkels mindretal, det her drejer sig om — det burde hr. Brok egentlig vide fra den tyske diskussion — er de ledende funktionærer.
I too should like to emphasize the fundamental importance of this subject matter, for the companies themselves, for the employees and for society as a whole.
Det er det forfulgte stakkels mindretal, det her drejer sig om, og derfor vil vi have den helt ensartede arbejdstagerrepræsentation. præsentation.
After all, the way in which a legal system determines the structure of industrial and commercial undertakings is closely associated with basic views on general and economic policy.
Hr. formand, i retsudvalget har den socialistiske gruppe arbejdet konstruktivt med og har således ikke principielt indtaget en negativ holdning til flertallets forslag.
Finally, a remark on the criteria according to which co-determination is to function at all.
Det vil vise sig ved afstemningen.
Here we have the well known figures 100, 500 and 1 000.
Dér er vi socialister i en situation, der kan sammenlignes med den, hvor en person får tilbudt en dårlig lejlighed og siger: Når denne lejlighed er sådan og bliver ved med at være det, så vil vi hellere lade være med at flytte ind.
I would merely point out to my esteemed colleagues that we are increasingly involved in a process in which firms of immense economic importance are, through electronics and rationalization, staffed by relatively small numbers of employees.
Hr. Geurtsen, man kan være uenig om, hvorvidt tempoet er for hurtigt og skridtet for stort.
Participation of the workforce in the affairs of these firms should not be ruled out for that reason, however.
Man kan også sige: Med det forslag, som retsudvalgets flertal er enedes om, er det i det væsentlige en march på stedet.
We have therefore introduced the criterion of an annual turnover of 15 million EUA as well as a demand for the 100 figure.
Nu er der nogle talere, der har sagt, at vi af hensyn til de meget forskellige strukturer på dette område i Det europæiske Fællesskab bør indrømme et så stort spillerum som muligt, især med henblik på Det forenede Kongerige.
Let me point out besides, although it should go with out saying, that it should not be possible to dismiss the member of the management body referred to in the directive responsible for personnel and industrial rela tions against the wishes of a majority of the workers' representatives.
Hr. Turner har netop lige understreget dette ganske særligt.
Here too, I would ask you to support our amendments.
Det er jo rigtigt, og det erkender vi også, men det gælder dog ikke for alle de punkter, hvor flertallet har nedstemt mindretallet.
I completely agree with the Commission's view that developments in the Member States are a clear indication that the time is ripe for reforms which take account of evolution in a number of important re spects.
Efter min mening kan man heller ikke se bort fra, at en tilnærmelse i grundspørgsmålene om samfundsstrukturerne simpelt hen er nødvendig, hvis man overhovedet vil tale om at skabe overensstemmelse.
One of these elements is the growing awareness of the democratic need for those affected by the decisions of social and political institutions to be involved in the decisionmaking process.
Vi vil heller ikke nå det fra den ene dag til den anden; vi vil, som Kommissionen har foreslået, sætte en overgangsfrist.
But this principle, Mr President, which everyone finds it easy to accept in various areas of life in society encounters difficulties when it comes to democratizing economic activities.
Jeg ville oven i købet være til at tale med om, for min skyld gerne, at gøre denne overgangsfrist noget længere.
Nevertheless, there is growing recognition of the fact that in the operations of companies employees have interests that are certainly just as important as the shareholders' interests.
Målet må på den anden side være klart.
The employees earn their incomes in these companies.
Det er et dårligt varsel for Kommissionens stilling ved behandlingen af dette direktiv, og jeg håber, at kommissær Andriessen i dag kan erklære, at det ikke vil fortsætte på den måde.
The decisions which are taken have a considerable effect on their situation, directly or in the longer term.
Hr. Geurtsen har sagt noget meget bemærkelsesværdigt: medbestemmelse — sådan omtrent lød det — skal bidrage til at fremme den økonomiske vækst.
These decisions even affect their free time and their human notions of dignity and independence.
Hr. Vetter har allerede i enkeltheder talt om spørgsmålet om paritet i kontrolorganerne.
Mr Brok raised the question of minority rights in workers' representation, saying that the poor minorities should be protected.
Hertil vil jeg endnu en gang sige tydeligt: vi vil — i overensstemmelse med Den europæiske faglige-Samarbejdsorgani-sation — have den fulde paritet!
Ladies and gentlemen, the poor minorities concerned here — and Mr Brok really ought to know that from the discussion which took place in Germany — are members of senior manage
Jeg er enig med ham og ville allerede være tilfreds, hvis samværet blev mere harmonisk i kraft af medbestemmelse.
Taking their inspiration from Christian-social teach ing, Christian Democrats are inclined to the view that
virksomheder, og for det femte om tilrettelæggelsen af medindflydelsen på virksomheder med et antal arbejdstagere mellem 500 og 1 000.
More specifically, the European People's Party com mitted itself in its 1979 election programme to improving the participation of the employees in the company, particularly through equal representation on the supervisory board.
Chanterie. — (NL) Hr. formand, med rette har nogle af Parlamentets medlemmer over for mig påpeget, at i dette femte direktiv er virksomhedernes beslutnings­proces og først og fremmest arbejdstagernes rolle i denne beslutningsproces centralt placeret.
Mr Tyrrell. — Mr President, no one who sat through many days in the Legal Affairs Committee while this report was being discussed there could fail to have been deeply impressed at the formidable command that the rapporteur showed of this subject.
Jeg for mit vedkommende vil understrege den grundlæggende betydning af dette emne, både for selskaberne selv, for arbejdstagerne og for samfundet som helhed.
Secondly, they concern the composition of the supervisory board in accordance with the formula of one third of the members representing the employees, one third the shareholders and one third elected by these two groups.
Den måde, hvorpå et retssystem bestemmer industri­ og handelsvirksomheders struktur er nøje forbundet med de grundlæggende opfattelser af den almindelige og den økonomiske politik.
Thirdly, these amendments concern the powers of the supervisory board, fourthly, the appointment of a works director in such companies, and fifthly, the organization of worker participation in companies with between 500 and 1 000 employees.
Hr. formand, en række medlemmer af Parlamentet har påpeget den ulige situation i de forskellige medlemsstater.
Various Members of this Parliament, Mr President, have referred to the differences among the various Member States.
Dette er faktisk tilfældet, men Europa­Parlamentet, det eneste valgte organ i Det europæiske Fællesskab, der er direkte ansvarligt over for den offentlige opinion og mere end 250 millioner indbyggere, må sørge for, at dets beslutninger bidrager til virkeliggørelsen af Fællesskabets grund­læggende mål.
This is undoubtedly true, but the European Parliament, the European Community's only elected organ and directly accountable to public opinion and over 250 million inhabitants, must ensure that its decisions contribute to the achievement of the Community's fundamental objectives.
En for stor forskelligartethed med. hensyn til ordninger for arbejdstagernes rolle i virk­somhedernes beslutningsproces'er efter min opfattelse en fornægtelse af selve fællesskabstanken.
To permit too wide a variety of arrangements for the role played by employees in the company's decisionmaking process is, in my opinion, to deny the idea of a community.
Det er uforeneligt med denne tanke, at arbejdstagernes rettigheder og retlige stilling er vidt udviklet i visse medlemsstater, men begrænset eller rudimentær i andre medlemsstater.
It is incompatible with this idea that the rights and the legal position of employees in some Member States should be far advanced while they are limited or at a rudimentary stage in others.
Da en sådan ensastethed ikke opstår automatisk, er det nødvendigt at træffe bevidste politiske afgørelser.
Now, we in my group accept, and have always accepted, the need for a directive, and I will tell you why.
Dette femte direktiv byder en enestående mulighed herfor.
This directive is part of a grand design. It is one of nine directives.
Jeg frygter imidlertid, at Geurtsen­betænkningen uden en række ændringer byder et utilstrækkeligt grundlag.
Some of them have already been made and some of them have been implemented in Member States: others are on the way.
Den skulle give en savnet mulighed for anerkendelse af arbejderne i Det europæiske Fællesskab.
This one — No 5 — is there, and if we do not have a directive No 5, then there is a gap in that grand design, an ambitious design, envisaged by Article 54 of the EEC Treaty.
Jeg er helt enig med Kommissionen, når den er af den opfattelse, at udviklingen i medlemsstaterne klart antyder, at tiden er moden til reformer, der tager hensyn til en række vigtige udviklinger.
And so one does need a directive that is going to deal with the structure of company boards with provisions for general meetings, with the liability of management, with the adoption of the auditing of accounts — one needs such a directive, and the only question is, what form should that directive take.
Et af elemen­terne i denne udvikling er en stigende erkendelse af det demokratiske krav om, at de, der berøres af sociale og politiske institutioners afgørelser, må inddrages i vedtagelsen af disse afgørelser.
Now it would be quite tempting for me in my country to say, well, let us just accept the Commission proposal because, as other speakers have said, this proposal was published as long ago as 1972, and if we just accept the Commission proposal today, it will not affect the United Kingdom, it will not affect Denmark or Ireland or Greece, it only affects the original Six.
Hr. formand, dette princip, som enhver let accepterer på forskellige områder af samfundslivet, giver imidlertid vanskeligheder, når der er tale om en demokratisering af det økonomiske liv.
So at least one thing the Legal Affairs Committee has done is to extend it to those latecomers into the Com munity.
Ikke desto mindre accepteres det i stadig højere grad, at arbejdstagere har inte­resser i virksomhedernes funktion, som sikkert er lige så store som aktionærernes.
There is a need for enough convergence to assure an employee, wherever he goes to work in the European Community, of a legal position which cannot be de scribed as discriminatory.
Arbejdstagerne får deres indkomster i disse virksomheder.
As such uniformity will come about on its own, conscious political decisions are needed.
Disse afgørelser påvirker endog deres fritid og deres bevidsthed om værdighed og uafhængighed.
This Fifth Directive offers a unique opportunity for this.
Hr. formand, jeg vil til sidst påpege, at man kan anskue et glas, der er halv fuldt, på to måder.
Even so, I am afraid that, unless it is amended in certain ways, the Geurtsen report will not provide an adequate basis.
Nega­tivt set er det halvtomt, men positivt set er det halv­fuldt.
That would mean missing an opportunity to recognize workers in the European Community.
Den økonomiske udvikling er underordnet menne­sket, den skal være rettet imod at forbedre enhvers levevilkår og enhvers naturlige og kulturelle miljø.
In considering what form this directive should take, I go along with those who have said that the keystone should be flexibility.
Denne politik, der er baseret på frihed og social retfærdighed, skal føre til medindflydelse og medan­svar for så mange borgere som muligt.
It has been said again and again that harmonization does not necessarily mean uniformity.
Mere specielt har det europæiske folkeparti i sit valg­program fra 1979 forpligtet sig til at fremme, og jeg citerer »arbejdstagernes medindflydelse i virksom­heden, især gennem en ligelig repræsentation i tilsyns­rådet«.
Harmonization can envisage — and many of the other company-law directives have provisions along these lines — a degree of flexibility so that there is no stereotype imposed artificially on Member States but that the new scheme can fit into the existing structures. tures.
Lovgivningen på det selskabsretlige område i medlemsstaterne støtter sig i vidt omfang på denne professions kunnen, integritet og uafhængighed.
It would mean that their insurance premiums would go through the roof and that the price of their services would be utterly uneconomic.
Det er en profession, som endnu ikke er blevet gjort til genstand for nogen form for bestemmelser med hensyn til kvalifikationsharmonisering; der eksisterer intet direktiv om ret til tjenesteydelse; intet direktiv om etableringsret, men alligevel er det en profession, som Fællesskabets retsakter lægger enorme byrder på.
It is for that reason that I say the question of auditors' liability should be dealt with in a separate directive, namely, the directive which will in due course be deal ing with the harmonization of their qualifications, the Ninth Directive.
Deres pligter findes spredt i et væld af forskellige direktiver, og der kommer stadig flere, som f.eks. bankkontodirektivet.
I hope that Article 62 will be deleted and that position preserved until the whole matter can be looked at with the care which it deserves.
Så én ting retsudvalget har gjort, er at udvide det til disse senere tilkomne medlemmer af Fællesskabet.
I bear in mind the reaction of the Commission that this is an excellent report, a report of high quality, and I hope that the House will give it its full support when it votes on it later today.
Nuvel, jeg tror, de accepterer disse forpligtelser uden at klage, men nu finder vi så godt gemt væk i dette direktiv en bestemmelse, som omhandler deres ansvar — artikel 62.
The experience that was recounted from other Member States persuaded me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that employee participation is desirable, is necessary and, in some Member States, will mark a major step forward.
Det er simpelt hen ikke godt nok.
I accept that human dignity demands participation.
I forbindelse med overvejelserne om den form, dette direktiv skulle have, er jeg enig med dem, som har sagt, at det centrale bør være fleksibilitet.
I accept that the days when employees could be regarded simply as providing pairs of hands are gone, and these days they have far more to contribute than they once were permitted to do.
Det er blevet sagt igen og igen, at harmonisering ikke nødvendigvis betyder ensartedhed.
And I am happy to say that in the vast majority of companies voluntary arrangements are already in being.
Harmonisering kan indebære — og mange af de andre selskabsretlige direktiver har tilsvarende bestemmelser — en grad af fleksibilitet, således at medlemsstaterne ikke påtvinges den samme kunstige skabelon, men at den nye ordning kan indpasses i de eksisterende strukturer.
But more is needed, and that, I think, is found in the Geurtsen report. I listened with great care to the qualms expressed by Mr Chanterie, who is regrettably no longer with us, and to the principles which he expounded and I can tell him that, as far as I am concerned, the Geurtsen report meets those principles and his amend ments which he referred to, designed to meet the prin ciples, are unnecessary because here they are in the Geurtsen report already.
Hvad betyder det i realiteten, hvis artikel 14-21 skal være gældende for revisorer?
In my last few seconds I want to tell Mr Sieglerschmidt that I am disappointed with his reaction.
Det ville betyde, at blot én aktionær i en virksomhed i virksomhedens navn kunne sagsøge revisoren.
Your council flat, Mr Sieglerschmidt, has nothing wrong with it.
Det ville betyde, at en kreditor til virksomheden, som ikke hvade fået sine penge, i virksomhedens navn kunne sagsøge revisoren.
There is just one room in the flat that you are worried about and you do not turn down that flat because it has got one room that you do not like.
Det ville betyde, at deres forsikringspræmier ville skyde i vejret, og at prisen for deres arbejde ville blive fuldstændig urealistisk. Det er grunden til, at jeg siger, at spørgsmålet om revisoransvar bør behandles i et særligt direktiv, nemlig det direktiv som snart skal behandle harmoni seringen af deres kvalifikationer, det niende direktiv.
I urge you to get this fifth directive through so that we have a complete chain of nine directives.
Jeg håber, at artikel 62 bliver strøget, og at spørgsmålet får lov at vente, indtil det kan behandles med den omhu, det fortjener.
The auditor's profession is a very long-suffering pro fession, and this one sees as one goes through these nine company-law directives.
Med dette lille forbehold anbefaler jeg Geurtsenbetænkningen til vedtagelse.
The company legislation in the Member States depends very heavily on the skill and integrity and independence of that profession.
Jeg har mærket mig Kommissionens reaktion, som går ud på, at dette er en fremragende betænkning, en betænkning af høj kvalitet, og jeg håber, at forsamlingen vil give den sin fulde støtte, når den skal til afstemning senere i dag.
It is a profession which has not yet received any kind of harmonization-of-qualifications provisions; there is no right-of-services directive; no right-of-establishment directive, but nevertheless it is a profession upon which enormous burdens are being placed by Com munity legislation.
Under de lange forhandlinger i retsudvalget, som jeg har omtalt, forsvandt for mig personlig al tvivl, som jeg måtte have næret om arbejdstageres medindflydelse.
Mrs Tove Nielsen. — (DA) Mr President, one thing has struck me, during our discussions over recent years on co-determination, and that is that, on the socialist side, co-determination tends to be taken as an isolated concept.
De erfaringer fra andre medlemsstater, som blev fremført, overbeviste mig fuldstændig om, at arbejdstagermedindflydelse er ønskelig og nødvendig, og at det i nogle medlemsstater vil betyde et stort skridt fremad.
It tends to be forgotten that there is one very important thing which goes toegther with having a say in the running of a company, and that is having a share in the responsibility.
Jeg går fuldt og helt ind for det, forudsat at det baseres på et sandt industrielt demokrati.
These two things — co-determination and coresponsibility — cannot and must not be separated.
Jeg accepterer, at menneskelig værdighed kræver medindflydelse.
The guiding principle, also, must be a striving for greater efficiency and improved competitive conditions.