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Dette er alt sammen forslag, som vi ikke kan tiltræde, og som får os til at stemme imod Franzbetænkningen.
These are all measures which we cannot accept. It is this that leads us to vote against the Franz report.
MØDET TIRSDAG DEN 25. OKTOBER 1983
SITTING OF TUESDAY, 25 OCTOBER 1983
Budget 1984. — Betænkninger (dok.
Budget for 1984 — Reports by Mrs Scrivener (Doc.
1-900/83) af Scrivener og (dok.
1-900/83) and Mr Pfennig (Docs.
1-895/83, 1-896/83, 1-897/83, 1-898/83 og 1-899/83) af Pfennig over forslag til almindeligt budget for 1984 (dok. 1-800/83):
1-895/83, 1-896/83, 1-897/83, 1-898/83 and 1-899/83), on the draft general budget for 1984 (Doc. 1-800/83)':
Fællesskabets finansiering. (dok.
Financing of the Community Mr Arndt (Doc. 1-856/83) :
Fællesskabets finansiering (fortsættelse):
Financing of the Community (contd) : Mrs Nikolaou ; Mr Woltjer ; Mr Arndt ; Mr Laluinière ; Mr O'Mahony
EUGFL. — Mundtlig forespørgsel med forhandling (dok.
EAGGF — Oral question, with debate, byMr Marck and Mr Clinton to the Commission (Doc. 1-934/83):
(Mødet åbnet kl. 9.00) (')
Mr Clinton; Mr Curry; Mr Delatte; Mr Gauthier; Mr M. Martin; Mr Kirk;
(') Godkendelse af protokollen se protokollen.
Thorn (Commission) ; Mr Dalsager (Commission) ; Mr Gautier
Europa-Parlamentets forhandlinger
IN THE CHAIR : MR DANKERT
imod Europas grundlæggende interesse, nemlig at have et parlament, som repræsenterer borgerne, er lovgiver og danner regeringen. Jeg beder Dem ved denne lejlighed, hvor vi omhyggeligt har ført drøftelser med Dem, om at statuere et eksempel og lade Parlamentet træffe beslutning, om det nu passer Dem eller ej.
(The sitting opened at 9 a.m.) ' position with it to make it morally impossible, in the eyes of our citizens, our constituents, for the Council to avoid taking the step that needs to be taken, the introduction of transfrontier controls to add to the effective controls over concentrations which we have in many countries.
Dette er et fundamentalt problem for Fællesskabet, og Kommissionen ville stå godt, hvis vi især i den kommende periode havde flest mulige af sådanne sager og fælles vedtog tekster, som så var gældende.
President. — The next item is the report by Mr von Bismarck, on behalf of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs (Doc.
Så kan Rådet roligt forsøge at gå imod os begge.
1-807/83), on the amended proposal from the Commission to the Council (Doc.
Så længe det skiller os, har Rådet let spil — hvis vi står sammen, vil det få det svært. Lad os stå sammen!
1-946/81 — COM(81)773 final) for a regulation on the control of concentrations between undertakings.
Dette tredje punkt er et særdeles vigtigt punkt og berører især artikel 19.
Do they know that, without competition, a market economy cannot be social, whatever other social action may be taken ?
Vi er enige med retsudvalget, som har ydet et stort stykke arbejde.
Without competition it cannot be social because the suppliers are not then forced to comply with the wishes of the consumers.
På vegne af økonomi- og valutaudvalget vil jeg gerne allerede nu sige tak herfor.
Do the poli ticians in the Member States know this ? I doubt it.
Som hr. Vetter sagde, beskæftigede retsudvalget sig i denne sag med eksempler, herunder den »væsentlige markedsandel«, og netop i dette spørgsmål — artikel 19 — er det enig med os.
This Parliament is at present principally an opinionforming body, and together with the Commission, it should urge the Council, as unanimously as possible, to take this step, which is in fact a small one.
Her står nemlig, at Rådet til enhver tid igen har ret til at gribe ind, og at Kommissionen først kan træffe beslutning, når Rådet har været hørt.
What we are discussing now has several facets, which I will name so that we all have an impression of how essential this is.
Vetter (S), ordfører for udtalelsen fra retsudvalget. — (DE) Hr. formand, ærede kolleger, retsudvalget har som medvirkende rådgivende udvalg fremsat sin hold ning til det oprindelige forslag i to punkter og også skriftligt og mundtligt meddelt disse til det korresponderende økonomi- og valutaudvalg.
Mr von Bismarck (PPE), rapporteur. — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, yesterday we discussed competition and by a very large majority adopted a report in which the Commission showed far more clearly than it has in the past that it fully appreciates that without competition there is no competitive ness and that it is primarily competition which leads to competitiveness.
Vi ønsker heller ikke, at det bliver ved med at være, som det var tilfældet ved afstemningen i udvalget: Udvalget stemte mig ned, men der vil foreligge et ændringsforslag — dette siger jeg nu kun på egne vegne — og jeg ville blive glad, hvis De ville foretage en ændring, således at denne linje — »Kommissionen træffer afgørelse« — klart fremstår.
If we look at the details, the real problem was to minimize the Council's objections and make it easier for it to believe that it is doing something that will benefit all the Member States, even those who have their doubts.
Med hensyn til det første punkt er vi enige med økonomi- og valutaudvalget, når vi siger, at kontrol med visse sammenslutninger på fællesskabsniveau er en positiv bestanddel af konkurrencepolitikken.
We all know that, if competition were completely free, we should have a liberal market economy, that a few large entities would emerge to crush their neighbours and not do what they should do : ensure optimal supply to the citizen.
Punkt 2 kom i stand på baggrund af en drøftelse af et stort antal ændringsforslag, som også forelå i udvalget, og som i betragtning af arten af de oprindelige i øvrigt også meget gamle forslag, som vi havde at gøre med, simpelt hen bare fremsattes uden videre.
We know that we here must ensure — and there is no time to lose — that the elephants do not grow so large that they quite accidently tread on the mice with their gigantic feet and destroy what we really want — a social market economy.
Derfor foreslog vi økonomi- og valutaudvalget, at Kommissionen burde trække disse forslag tilbage og forelægge nye forslag efter nøje at have gennemgået og behandlet dette spørgsmål. Så vidt retsudvalgets daværende holdning.
The Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs therefore very much welcomes the Commission's second attempt — it made the first as long ago as 1973 — to propose that the Council adopt a regulation that permits the exercise of preventive control of concentrations.
Dette er der også uenighed om.
A few words on the details.
Det er et praktisk spørgsmål.
The first point is turnover.
Den markedsandel, som et firma har, kan man ikke uden videre afgrænse ved hjælp af avismeddelelser.
Turnover, which can be seen in balance-sheets and publications, is what triggers off action.
Jeg beder altså derfor de kolleger, der her ønsker at tage dette spørgsmål op, om at undlade dette.
But the question was what the level should be.
Hvis jeg i dag må have lov til at knytte en personlig bemærkning hertil: jeg har set på det dokument, som foreligger til afstemning, og jeg vil også tage stilling til det.
Because we believe that this transfrontier control is something new which will pose new problems for the Commission, and we should avoid overtaxing the Commission.
På baggrund af det dokument, som ville foreligge, var retsudvalget bestemt også kommet til en positiv holdning.
We shall overcome all kinds of objections from the Member States if we raise the amount to this level for a limited period, say 5 or 10 years.
Dette er en ren personlig bemærk ning, for det var ikke retsudvalgets opgave at vurdere det foreliggende dokument.
Hundreds of cases will have to be dealt with even if we raise it to this level.
Ved denne lejlighed vil jeg gerne — forhåbentlig på vegne af Dem — sige følgende, og jeg beder rådsrepræsentanterne om at tage dette med hjem: når vi arbejder sammen, først drøfter frem og tilbage, vedtager en fælles tekst og fremsætter den, så bør Kommissionen i fremtiden vænne sig fra lidt efter lidt igen at ændre det, som Parlamentet har udtalt.
The Commission's first proposal was rejected by the Council, and not by just one but by all the Member States, each having its own interests, which is under standable.
Hver gang Kommissionen ændrer vore tekster, forsynder den sig
But this Parliament should now give the Commission every support by adopting a joint
Vi er kommet et lille stykke videre på dette område. Vi har haft Vredeling­forslagene, som har optaget en hel del tid her i Parlamentet.
The committee took a long time over this and also discussed it with the various authorities in the Member States and came to the conclusion that 750m ECU is an appropriate figure to begin with.
Jeg vil gerne slutte lidt mere muntert.
It cannot cope with it overnight.
Desværre har økonomi­ og valutaudvalget nu ændret dette til 750 mio regnings­enheder.
This is a very complicated field as we know from our own countries.
Jeg prøver at få Kommissionen til at gå tilbage til det standpunkt, den indtog i 1973.
We should be doing the Commission a disservice if we landed it with an enor-
Alt dette skal fastsættes entydigt i forordningen og i de kompetente organer, og under alle omstæn­
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Blumenfeld digheder skal enhver form for dobbeltkontrol undgås. Vi kan ikke arbejde med en europæisk og samtidig en national kompetencemyndighed.
No 1-305/25 von Bismarck and not to Council members delegated by the national parliaments, who cannot champion a cause as a whole but must vote in such a way that they retain their positions.
Dette skal fastsættes helt entydigt og klart.
Our view on this is quite clear and unshakable.
Det forekommer mig, at denne sætning angriber selve det at indtage en dominerende stilling.
Further investigations have to be made before this question can really be answered.
Mener Kommissionen, at det fra nu af er ulovligt at indtage en dominerende stilling?
I therefore call on those Members who may have plans in this respect to drop them.
Eller mener den, at det er lovligt på nuværende tidspunkt at have en dominerende stilling, men at det fra nu af er ulovligt at nå en sådan ved virksomhedssammenslutning?
It is clear that turnover is the applicability criterion, but the market share as the assessment criterion is not considered until it comes to taking action.
Jeg mener, at forslaget til forordning er uklart på dette helt afgørende punkt.
Otherwise, there would be many errors of judgement.
De talte om arbejds tagerne.
Secondly, there must be legal certainty.
Dette spørgsmål vil blive behandlet i det såkaldte Vredeling-direktiv.
To this end, I ask the Commission in paragraph 6 of the motion for a resolution to add something to its proposal.
Vi ønsker ikke at lægge for store byrder på dette udkast, men derimod at have dette punkt i baghovedet.
It is not absolutely clear what the national control authorities are to do if the Commission does not intervene.
Men dette spørgsmål gælder det om at fastholde i et andet direktiv, som Parlamentet har behandlet og vil fortsætte med at behandle, og at indføje dette i en passende forordning. ning.
There must be a ruling so that anyone who heads a company knows what happens if the Commission does intervene and what happens if it does not.
Mit andet forbehold over for forordningen er dette: Den forekommer mig at stille spørgsmålstegn ved retten til individuel anke.
It must be clear, in other words, which is the competent authority.
Disse kriterier forekommer mig at være helt utilstrækkelige, og jeg vil gerne sige til kommissæren, at der er seks kriterier, som han bør tænke på.
Everyone must know what to expect, because other wise the whole thing will adversely affect our ability to compete with the rest of the world.
Det er sikkert ikke fornuftigt, hvis vi — Parlamentet — forsøgte at fast sætte kriterierne i detaljer; det er Kommissionens opgave.
However, it is equally important to protect substantial parts of the market.
Vigtigt er det, at vi siger til Kommissionen og til Domstolen — ja, egentlig til os alle —, at vi globalt fokuserer på konkurrencen og konkurrence evnen for de europæiske virksomheder.
As agriculture stands today, it cannot be denied that Greece and Ireland, for example, are still completely separate markets, as Portugal will be.
Det kan ikke afgøres ex cathedra, men vi må i fællesskab sørge for, at vort erhvervsliv og vore virksomheder er i stand til at se fremad og derfor også på verdensplan kan klare sig i konkurrencen.
We must also consider substantial parts of the market and bring them into the regulation, otherwise we shall do harm to individual markets and not give them the benefit of the control of concentrations.
Hopper (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, min gruppe vil støtte hr. von Bismarcks beslutningsforslag, dels for at støtte en kollega, og dels for at støtte konkurrencepolitikken inden for Fællesskabet.
I should like to take take this opportunity to say the following — on your behalf, I trust — and I would ask the gentlemen of the Council to bear this in mind : when we have acted together, debated the matter thoroughly beforehand, adopted and submitted a text, the Commission should get out of the habit of changing, little by little, what Parliament has said.
Personlig må jeg udtrykke nogen tvivl om den foreslåede forordning, og det af tre grunde.
We shall then gradually become what we should be : the legislature.
Det første og mest betydningsfulde er eksistensen af hindringer for indførsel, som f.eks. behovet for at annoncere særlig meget, eller nødvendigheden af at opnå godkendelse fra nationale regeringer for at kunne indlede erhvervsvirksomhed.
This is a basic problem for our Community, and the Commission would be well advised to join with us in ensuring that there are as many such instances as possible during the next parliamentary term and to adopt texts with us.
Det femte, som ofte overses, er de nationale regeringers indstilling.
This third point is particularly important and specifically concerns Article 19.
Det kan meget vel tænkes, at en virksomhed har en forholdsvis lille del af et marked, men alligevel nærmer sig en monopolstilling, fordi den har sin nationale regerings fulde støtte.
We agree with the Legal Affairs Committee, which has done some very impor tant work, for which I thank it most sincerely on behalf of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs.
Det sjette kriterium trækker i den anden retning og kan tale til gunst for en sammenslutning, nemlig sammen slutningens indflydelse på effektiviteten.
As Mr Vetter has reported, the Legal Affairs Committee has considered various examples, including the idea of 'substantial parts of the market', and in this respect in particular — Article 19 — our two committees agree.
Når alt kommer til alt, er der jo noget, der hedder stordriftsfordele. fordele.
Article 19 says that the Council may intervene again at any time and the Commission, once it has decided, must first establish whether the Council agrees.
Hr. Blumenfeld har sagt, at forordningen er klart formuleret.
I must tell the Commission's representative that we do not share this view.
Men på et væsentligt punkt mener jeg, at den er overordentlig uklar.
We believe that two authorities must be competent for cartels — the Commission and the Court of Justice, and no one else.
Jeg hentyder til spørgsmålet om dominerende stilling. Det europæiske Fællesskabs nuværende konkurrenceregler bygger på artikel 85 og 86.
If we involve politicians at national level, we well know the pressure that is brought to bear on them, as in the case of subsidies, and we consider it important for the Commission to be accountable to the Court of Justice
Det er ikke ulovligt at have en dominerende stilling, men det er ulovligt at misbruge sin dominerende stilling. Se, jeg kan ikke se, at den
I must point out that we were at that time taking stock of the situation on the basis of the documents then available, and that what I say now
Både hr. von Bismarck og hr. Franz har villet sætte et slags lighedstegn mellem det økonomiske og det sociale, hvorfor vi ved at gennemføre konkurrencepolitikken ville gennemføre det mest socialt ophøjede, som Parlamentet kunne beskæftige sig med.
Vetter should in no way be regarded as a final opinion on the motion tabled by Mr von Bismarck, because we were considering the original proposal.
Jeg vil gerne sige, at i mit land er det kun de udenomsparlamentariske grupper, der hævder denne læresætning: de støtter den ved at påstå, at alt socialt er økonomisk; her siger man derimod, at alt økonomisk er socialt.
In the first paragraph of the opinion we very largely agree with the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs when we say that the control of certain concentrations having a Community dimension is a desirable element of competition policy.
Derfor vil vi f.eks. støtte den begrundelse og de ændringsforslag, som her er blevet omtalt af hr. Caborn, og derfor finder vi grænsen på 750 mio ECU for høj, mens det ville være nok så fornuftigt at holde sig til de vilkår, der er fastsat i fællesskabsforordningen.
I therefore reject the argument put forward by Mr von Bismarck this morning that 750 million units of account is an operational figure.
Damseaux (L). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne bekræfte den stilling, den liberale og demokratiske gruppe indtog ved afstemningen om denne betænk ning i økonomi- og valutaudvalget.
I believe 200 million units of account will be an operational figure that can quite clearly be coped with by the Commission.
Jeg går varmt ind for det synspunkt, som hr. Beazley gav udtryk for i går, nemlig at Kommissionen må have en tilstrækkelig stor stab af økonomer.
After a lengthy discussion of the many amendments, we reached the conclusion that this was not the right way to treat the matter.
Hvis den skal anvende disse kriterier effektivt, må den have en kvalificeret stab, der er i stand til at gøre det.
We therefore proposed to the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs that the Commission should withdraw these proposals and draft fresh ones after a thorough scrutiny of the topic.
Efter min mening bør Kommissionen ikke gå videre med denne forordning, men snarere formulere og offentliggøre nogle retningslinier, der specificerer, hvilke kriterier den agter at anvende.
1 now turn to what I think is a glaring example of Commission from the recommendations both of the Commission and of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs' report presented by Mr von Bismarck — namely, the question of workers inside the companies that would be merged.
Det er ikke noget, jeg selv har fundet på. Ideen er lånt direkte fra USA, hvor justitsministeriet udsender de såkaldte Baxterregler. Der er mange fordele ved disse regler.
We had a long discussion on 'Vredeling', in which many people made statements on how they would like to see workers involved in the organization and running of companies.
For det. andet vil reglerne føre til forudsigelighed.
Had the Legal Affairs Committee considered this paper, it would undoubtedly have endorsed it.
Under de nugældende regler er det meget vanskeligt for erhvervsfolk at vide, om en given sammenslutning vil føre til, at der indledes procedure.
I say this entirely on my behalf, since the Legal Affairs Committee was not asked to assess this paper.
For det tredie vil disse regler fritage Kommissionens personale for det trættende arbejde med at registrere forslag om sammenslutninger.
Mr Caborn (S). — Mr President, may I first of all, like Mr von Bismarck, welcome the Commission's initiative in putting this once again before Parliament.
Det vil ikke være nødvendigt at indberette sammenslutninger, der falder uden for reglerne.
It is 10 years ago since they introduced the first document on the question of merger control.
Endelig vil sådanne regler befri domstolene for en masse arbejde.
I think it is unfortunate that we deal with matters like this in a rather piecemeal way.
I USA har der været et markant fald i antallet af sager, der indbringes for domstolene, efter at disse regler er blevet indført.
It was, in fact, in 1981 in my report on the multinational corporations that we tried to turn attention to having a businesslike approach to the question of a legal framework in which multinational corporations should be operating, and indeed the larger national companies as well.
Afslutningsvis vil jeg gerne sige, hr. formand, at offentliggørelsen af et regelsæt af denne art vil være af langt større værdi end den foreslåede forordning.
But here we have an opportunity to determine, without any problems of confidentiality or leaking of secrets, where the workers could be consulted.
Det forekommer os faktisk væsentligt at finde en løsning på den fastlåste situation, for at Kommissionen a priori kan gribe ind i de opkøb eller sammenslutninger af virksomheder, som kunne påvirke samhandelen mellem medlemsstaterne.
That is why I hope that in their response this morning the Commission will take on board Amendments Nos 19, 22 and 24, where consultations can take place with the workforce, and in particular No 19, where we are asking that the conditions under which workers are operating at the time of the merger should be safe guarded, treated as part of the investigation by the Commission before any sanction is allowed in regard to that merger.
De af hr. von Bismarck stillede ændringsforslag danner et balancepunkt mellem disse to krav.
The one omission in this document is the main ingredient of industry — the workers. Here we have no reference to that at all
Bonaccini (COM). — (IT) Hr. formand, hr. von Bismarck har ret, når han anbringer den debat, vi er i gang med, inden for rammerne af konkurrencepolitikken.
We have moved a little way down that road. We have had the Vredeling proposals, which took up a fair amount of time in this Parliament.
Han hævder, at denne debat tjener til at supplere den.
It was indeed a document discussed widely within the Community.
Jeg vil spørge ham: til at supplere den eller til at modsige den?
The second area was transfer pricing, and, unfortunately, we have done nothing about that.
Tre punkter i betænkningen forekommer mig i så henseende væsentlige.
Now, thirdly, we have merger control, and I am glad to see this before Parliament today.
Hensyntagen til konkurrencesituationen på internationalt plan er nødvendig, for at man kan fastsætte såvel procedurer som kriterier for vurdering af koncentrationerne.
I conclude on a slightly lighter note. I think Mr von Bismarck does for transparency of multinationals and workers' rights in this report what Mr Bangemann does for hang-gliding.
Hvad er det i virkeligheden, man gør med kontrolforanstaltningerne?
There are two points I would like to raise on the document itself.
Man fritager fra forbudene. Både forordningen og det, hr. von Bismarck sagde, er formuleret i denne ånd: at fritage fra forbudene.
First of all, I wish to say to the Commission that I cannot understand why they have allowed the sliding to take place.
Så at disse elefanter, som vi besværger med ord, siden med handling trænger ind i vor økonomiske struktur og forvandler vort marked til et oligopolitisk marked, med venlig hilsen til konkurrencen og til de klage sange, vi kan istemme om den!
As Mr von Bismarck has already remarked, in 1973 certain figures were incorporated in their recommendations to the Council, but now those have been changed.
Min anden bemærkning drejer sig om de fastsatte kriterier til vurdering af, hvorvidt en koncentration er forenelig med det fælles marked eller ej.
Blumenfeld covered by another directive that the House has discussed and will be discussing again and incorporated in appropriate regulation.
Kontrollen ville da komme til at angå omkring 423 virksomheder og ville dermed gøre det muligt for Kommissionen at erhverve en første erfaring gennem undersøgelsen af et begrænset antal tilfælde og for medlemsstaterne at tilpasse deres lovgivning.
The control of concentrations and this report can and will assume very great importance if this question is approached with caution, with care and in the realization that experience has to be gained.
Jeg vil imidlertid støtte hr. Delorozoys ændringsforslag om handelsvirksomheder.
It would certainly not be wise of us, of Parliament, to try to establish the various criteria.