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Vi må gøre folk det klart, at der ikke er nogen middelvej, der er ikke nogen moderat fremgangsmåde i Sydafrika.
We believe that pressure on the South African Government is appropriate, that it can and most be productive and that the European Community has a prominent role to play in this respect.
(Bifald fra venstre)
Mrs Buchan (S). — Mr President, I shall vote for the resolution.
Af disse grunde, og også fordi betænkningen således har korrigeret regeringernes vilje og aktion, vil vi stemme for den.
At the end of the day they are not prepared to be dictated to by people in countries whose level of democracy is seldom as good as that in the Republic of South Africa.
O'Malley (PPE). - (EN) Hr. formand, som de fleste andre, bryder jeg mig ikke om at gå imod min gruppe.
If the President of one or other of the African countries where the President-in-Office of the Coun-
tænkning indskrænker sig til en ting. Er De for eller imod sanktioner?
Mr Verbeek (ARC). — Mr Beyer de Ryke, the situa tion is complicated.
(Bifald fra venstre)
(Applause from the benches of the European Democratic
Spørgsmålet om Sir Geoffrey Howe's besøg er efter min mening stort set irrelevant. De tre udenrigsministre har aflagt besøg, grupper af fremtrædende personer har aflagt besøg, jeg kan ikke se, hvordan det skulle kunne ændre noget.
Mr Lehideux (DR). — (FR) Mr President, colleagues, the Group of the European right will vote against this report, shameful as it is to have this discussion take place in the presence of these terrorist repre sentatives from the ANC;
Jeg tror, at Europas tro værdighed står på spil i denne forbindelse. Lad os ikke vente på, at amerikanerne beslutter sig til at ind føre sanktioner.
Mr Wurtz (COM). — (FR) Mr President, I should simply like to point out that for the first time in the history of our Assembly representatives of the ANC, the African National Congress, and a South African trades union organization, Taxou, are in the Chamber.
Lad os gøre det først.
(Mixed reactions)
Vi tror, at pres på den sydafrikanske regering er på sin plads, kan og må virke fremmende, og at Det europæiske Fællesskab her har en vigtig rolle at spille.
I am sure — and the applause from my colleagues proves it — that many of us would like to welcome Mrs September and Mr Pret, and to assure them of our solidarity.
For mit vedkommende synes jeg, at de overdriver, for Karthago var Roms fjende, hvorimod Pretoria ikke er Europas fjende, men tværtimod vor allierede, og mere end det, vor leverandør, hvilket vi ikke bør glemme.
(Applause from the left) aware of the serious threat posed by the Kremlin, which intends to take over southern Africa, and in view of the fact that this report was prepared under conditions which guarantee neither the seriousness nor the objectivity of the debate, still less any knowledge of this serious subject, which desen'ed better, given that it concerns the future of southern Africa, its people and its relations with the European Community.
Pearce (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, det glæder mig at se. at fru Buchan fuldt ud støtter en kommunistisk organisation ved navn ANC, der åbent går ind for vold.
Mr Beyer de Ryke (LDR). — (FR) Mr President, you will not be surprised that I am unable to join in these words of welcome, particularly when the other side of the House has refused to condemn 'necklace' killings.
(Protest fra venstre)
(Applause from the right)
Men vi ser i aviserne i dag trusler om, at en række lande agter at forlade det britiske statssamfund, hvis Det forenede Kongerige ikke iværksætter sanktioner.
If you think you are protecting shortterm economic interests you can be sure that in the long term Western Europe's investments in the racist regime of South Africa will be worth nothing at all.
Jeg vil gerne gøre det fuldstændig klart, at mange mennesker i Storbritannien, ja jeg tror faktisk flertallet, ville sige til statssamfundet: »Lad dem gå ad helvede til, hvis det kommer så vidt!«
A future nonracial democratic South African Government would rightly have nothing to do with those Europeans who once sided with Pik Botha.
Verbeek (ARC). - (NL) Hr. Beyer de Ryke, virkelig heden er kompliceret.
As far as I am concerned I think they are deluding themselves, Carthage was the enemy of Rome.
Efter en lang dag ønsker de ikke at modtage ordrer fra folk i lande, hvis demokrati sjældent er så udviklet som demokratiet i Den Sydafrikanske Republik.
She has got her way so far in the United Nations, the Commonwealth and the EEC, but not here in the European Parliament. The message from here is clear.
Hvis præsidenten i et af de afrikanske lande, hvor Ministerrådets formand har været i de sidste dage, ønsker dette udspil, tager han måske helt fejl, for når det kommer til stykket, ønsker det britiske folk, hvad der er godt for Det forenede Kongerige, hvad der er godt for Europa, og hvad der er godt for Sydafrikas befolkning, og ikke hvad der er godt for de folk derovre, der sidder og råber af mig nu.
The people of Europe, represented by us here today, want real sanctions and real solidarity with our black brothers and sisters in South Africa. Our pious words in favour of democracy and freedom are worthless if the EEC governments don't now back effective economic sanctions against South Africa.
(Bifald fra den europæiske demokratiske gruppe).
To point that out is not a mistake, it is not evidence of complacency.
Lehideux (DR). — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, de europæiske højrepartiers gruppe stemmer imod denne betænkning, for det første fordi det er skændigt, at forhandlingen foregår i nærværelse af ANC-repræsentanter, der ikke er andet end terrorister.
It does not signify approval of the political errors — serious political errors — which South Africa is committing, which Pretoria is committing, it is to encourage it to reform, to encourage it to carry through the social changes which are necessary and essential.
Wurtz (COM). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg vil blot gøre opmærksom på, at det er første gang i Europa-Parlamentets historie, at vi har besøg af repræsentanter for den afrikanske nationalkongres, ANC og en sydafrikansk fagforening, Taxou.
Mr Marshall (ED). — Mr President, I should like to make it clear first of all that, like every other Member of this House, I oppose apartheid, which I regard as
(Bifald fra ventre)
(Applause from the right)
Lehideux land frem for at fremme det.
Marshall evil, cruel and immoral.
Derfor stemmer jeg imod beslutningsforslaget.
I wish to see the release of Nelson Mandela.
(Bifald fra hojre).
We must repudiate violence on both sides.
Van Hemeldonck (S). — (NL) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, jeg ville gerne have stemt for en stærkere be slutning, en beslutning, der krævede tydeligere og bredere økonomiske sanktioner.
We hear them described as a moral gesture. Food Aid has indicated that it believes that sanctions could kill 50 000 black African children under the age of 5 and put at risk the lives of another 400 000.
Men jeg vil alligevel stemme for denne betænkning, bl.a. fordi mine tanker her under afstemningen om denne betænkning især er gået til den belgiske lingvist Helene Pastoors, der er idømt en ti års fængselsdom, som hun nu afsoner i et fængsel i Sydafrika.
There is nothing moral about the well-fed voting for the death or hunger of children in South Africa. It has been estimated that sanctions could put at risk 100 000 jobs in the United Kingdom.
En fremtidig, ikkeracistisk demokratisk sydafrikansk regering vil med rette ikke have noget at gøre med de europæere, der engang tog Botha's parti.
There is nothing moral about this Assembly voting for a course of action which would hurt the victims of apartheid and do nothing to change the policies of the South African Government.
Vi glemmer ikke Helene Pastoors og hendes ædle indsats i Sydafrika.
I believe that economic sanctions, by isolating South Africa, would delay progress in that unhappy country rather than bring it nearer.
For at få hende fri igen vil vi ikke spare os nogen bestræbelse, hverken i Parlamentet eller i forbindelse med den belgiske politik over for Sydafrika.
That is why I shall be voting against the motion for a resolution.
De europæiske folk, repræsenteret af os her i dag, ønsker konkrete sanktioner og virkelig solidaritet med vore sorte brødre og søstre i Sydafrika.
If we really want to help black people in South Africa, the way lies through aid and evolutionary development.
Vore prisværdige ord om demokrati og frihed er uden værdi, hvis EF-regeringerne ikke støtter effektive økonomiske sanktioner mod Sydafrika nu.
As, at the moment, the majority of Parliament is not prepared to follow this path of peaceful development, I cannot support this motion for a resolution.
Marshall (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne allerførst gøre det klart, at jeg ligesom ethvert andet medlem af denne forsamling er imod apartheid, som jeg betragter som ond, grusom og umoralsk.
Mr van Hemeldonck (S). — (NL) Mr President, I would have liked to vote for a stronger resolution, a resolution that referred to a longer list of clear-cut and general economic sanctions.
Men jeg mener ikke, at økonomiske sanktioner er en moralsk måde at løse dette problem på.
I shall nevertheless vote for this report, partly because, as the voting proceeds, my thoughts will turn especially to the Belgian linguist Helene Pastoors, condemned to ten years' detention, which she is now spending in a South African gaol.
Man må tage afstand fra en politik, der betragter økonomiske sanktioner som et lægemiddel for Sydafrika.
Dame Shelagh Roberts (ED). — Mr President, I shall oppose this motion because I am opposed to sanctions against South Africa.
Sanktionernes historie, det ved vi jo, er en historie om virkningsløshed. De har aldrig resulteret i det, de blev anvendt for politisk.
To the limited extent to which they will be effective, they will hurt the black people of South Africa and the black people of the neighbouring states who seek and have found work in South Africa.
Sorte eksperter og ledere regner oven i købet med langt over en million ar bejdsløse blandt de sort som følge af sanktioner.
In the main the sanctions will not be enforceable, and those who call for a blockade of the South African coast are, in effect, admitting that the sanctions will not be enforceable.
Her til kommer hykleriet hos en del af venstrefløjen her i Parlamentet.
I deplore measures which would drive the more liberal elements in South Africa into the camp of the more repressive elements.
Den siger ja til sanktioner, hvor det ikke gør ondt på os, men nej, hvor det drejer sig om eksistentielt vigtige produkter.
I deplore the hypocrisy of those who call for sanctions against South Africa and yet resist sanctions against other equally or more repressive regimes elsewhere in the world, including parts of Africa.
Der er intet moralsk i, at de overernærede stemmer for sydafrikanske børns død eller sult.
We shall spare no effort in trying to obtain her release, either in this Parliament or through Belgian policy towards South Africa.
Det skønnes, at sanktioner kunne bringe 100.000 arbejdspladser i fare i Det forenede Kongerige.
Our thoughts on solidarity also extend to the men and women in South Africa who play an active part in the trade unions and are in con stant danger, imprisoned, banned, tortured, without any assistance whatsoever from a lawyer.
De ville ramme ofrene for apartheid snarere end Sydafrikas ledere.
(Cries of'Hear, hear'from the right)
Jeg mener, at økonomiske sanktioner ved at isolere Sydafrika ville forsinke fremskridte i det ulykkelige
Mr Zarges (PPE). — (DE) Mr President, I condemn a hypocritical policy and call for more honesty where
Den. der virkelig vil hjælpe de sorte i Sydafrika, bør slå ind på den vej, der betyder hjælp og evolutionær udvikling.
I was also the founder and co-chairman of the All-Party Joint Com mittee against Racialism in the United Kingdom.
Da flertallet i Europa-Parlamentet i øjeblikket ikke er villigt til at gå den vej. der betyder fredelig udvikling, må jeg gå imod dette beslutningsforslag.
My personal commitment is not in doubt, I merely deplore these measures.
Men deres utrolige hykleri kommer frem i dagens lys, når de får tilbudt de virkelige våben til at give apartheid nådestødet, dvs. at de afviser sanktioner.
Nelson Mandela made it clear 18 months ago in conversation with me that he did not approve of individual assassination of this type, although, of course, he approved of the armed struggle of the ANC.
Vi har endnu til gode at se sir Geoffrey Howe stige ud af sit fly fra Sydafrika og sige: »Jeg har her et stykke papir fra hr. Botha, og hr. Botha har forsikret mig om. at apartheid engang vil blive afskaffet — måske!«
Mrs Crawley (S). — Mr President, I shall be voting for this report despite its mild character.
Dame Shelagh Roberts (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg stemmer imod dette forslag, fordi jeg er imod sanktioner mod Sydafrika.
Mr David Martin (S). — Mr President, I have the honour of representing in this Parliament the city of Edinburgh, which this month will host the Common wealth Games.
I den begrænsede udstrækning de vil være effektive, vil de ramme den sorte befolkning i Sydafrika og den sorte befolkning i nabostaterne, der søger og har fundet arbejde i Sydafrika.
It was announced yesterday that at least two black African countries are to boycott these Games.
For størstedelen vil sanktionerne ikke kunne håndhæves, og de, der kræver en blokade af den syd afrikanske kyst. indrømmer faktisk, at sanktionerne ikke kan håndhæves.
They are boycotting the Games as a protest against Mrs Thatcher's support for the continuation of apartheidin South Africa.
Jeg beklager dybt sådanne foranstaltninger, som ville ødelægge den, omend pinligt langsomme, proces henimod ophævelsen af apartheid, som den sydafrikanske regering havde sat i gang.
While I am personally bitterly disappointed that the Games will be deprived of some fine athletes and that the citizens of Edinburgh will be deprived of the opportunity of seeing some of the finest athletes in the world, I applaud the actions of both the governments of Nigeria and Ghana.
Jeg beklager dybt sådanne foranstaltninger, som ville drive de mere liberale elementer i Sydafrika over i de mere repressive elementers lejr.
Their action has been brought about not through any fault of their own. Indeed, in my opinion, they have been overpatient with the whites in Europe.
Jeg beklager dybt hykleriet hos de mennesker, der kræver sanktioner mod Sydafrika og samtidig modsætter sig sanktioner mod andre lige så eller mere undertrykkende regimer andre steder i verden, herunder dele af Afrika.
Their action has been forced upon them by the failure of the British Government and this Community to take decisive action and sanctions against white South Africa.
(Tilråb: hor, hor fra højre)
Some of them may even believe it.
En ting har imidlertid fået mig til at ændre mening: ændringsforslag nr. 6 krævede, at ANC ikke længere anvendte » halsbånd «-drabsmetoden, men ven strefløjen stemte imod det, og dette ændringsforslag er ikke længere i beslutningen.
But their stupefying hypocrisy is exposed when they are offered the real weapons to deal apart heid that fatal blow and they reject those real weapons which are sanctions.
Det betyder, er jeg bange for. at venstrefløjen har godkendt en af de mest grusomme former for politisk mord, der nogen sinde er blevet anvendt, eller ville de have stemt for dette ændringsforslag.
This is one more example of the Tories' historical allegiance to the policies of apartheid and the policies of appeasement.
Vil venstrefløjen nu tage afstand fra brugen af denne morderiske metode, eller vil den ikke?
We have yet to see Sir Geoffrey Howe descend the steps of his plane on his return from South Africa saying 'I have here a piece of paper from Herr Botha and I have been given an assurance by Herr Botha that apartheid will end sometime maybe!'
(Tilråb: »ja«, fra venstrefløjen)
(Applause from the left)
Endelig vil jeg gerne sige, at mit eget personlige engagement i fremme af racelighed og afskaffelse af race diskrimination er offentlig kendt i mit eget land.
It has been made clear to this Community not only by the blacks in South Africa but by black nations throughout Africa and coloured nations throughout the world that they will not tolerate the nambypamby stand of this Community and the nambypamby stand of the British Government.
I nogle år — under både socialiske og konservative regeringer — sad jeg i mit lands Race Relations Bo ard. Jeg var også stifter af og medformand i Ali-Party Joint Committee against Racialism.
They want action and they want concerted action against South Africa.
Der hersker ikke tvivl om mit personlige engagement.
They see us now as positively racist.
Jeg beklager blot disse foranstaltninger.
They consider us as having sold out the peoples of their nations.
(Bifald fra hojre)
We must take action!
De har nægtet at stemme for dette ændringsforslag, og alene af den grund føler jeg, at vi må afvise beslut ningsforslaget. Nelson Mandela gjorde det klart for 18 måneder siden i en samtale med mig, at han ikke kunne gå ind for individuelle snigmord af den art, selv om han selvfølgelig gik ind for ANC's væbnede kamp.
Lord Bethell (ED). — Mr President, it never occurred to me earlier this afternoon that I should find myself voting against this resolution on South Africa.
Tanken om at sætte ild til nogen ved at hælde benzin over dem finder medlemmerne af denne for samling afskyelig.
This report is extremely mild, I shall support it nonetheless.
Hvorfor er venstrefløjen så ivrig efter at anvende sådanne morderiske metoder? Fru Castle, De burde skamme Dem.
We had a lecture from Mr Marshall who said that he would vote against sanctions on moral grounds.
Jeg stemmer imod forslaget.
If that is morality, he can keep it!
(Bifald fra hojre og protest fra venstre)
(Applause from the left)
De boykotter legene i protest mod fru Thatcher's støtte til fortsættelsen af apartheid i Sydafrika.
Will the left now repudiate the use of that murderous method or will they not?
for den skamfølelse, som apartheid vækker i mig. men jeg skammer mig endnu mere over Europas holdning.
In this respect I should like to point out that we social ists, like many others, are by definition non-violent.
Der er ærligt talt ingen grund til at være ked af, at formanden for Rådet fik lov til at rende og hoppe afsåvel dem, der kæmper imod apartheid som af dem, der lever deraf.
We condemn violence and certain practices and certain types of crime in particular.
Apartheid tåler ikke en lunken holdning; enten er man for eller også er man imod.
But we think that no useful purpose is served by associating any one organisation with the practice of those crimes.
Men er man imod, må man tage konsekvensen af sin holdning fuldt ud, og i dag, kære kolleger, har jeg mine tvivl med hensyn til nogle af de tilstedeværende. rende.
That has not been done, and that is why we have rejected amendment No 6 with a clear conscience, whilst, like you, condemning the violence.
Ikke alene sorte i Sydafrika, men sorte i hele Afrika og i hele verden har gjort det klart over for Fælles skabet, at de ikke vil tolerere den alt for eftergivende holdning fra EFs side og den alt for eftergivende holdning i den britiske regering.
On the other hand, where the imposition of sanctions is concerned, there are some critics who would have us think that the practice of sanctions is something abnormal.
De ønsker handling, og de ønsker en fælles aktion mod Sydafrika.
The practice of sanctions has, however, been accepted by international law for a long time, notably by Article 16 of the Treaty of the League of Nations, which was applied in Rhodesia in 1966 with out there being any vote against it in the Security Council.
Vi er i fare for at afskære os fra et stort udsnit af verden. De betragter os nu som afgjort racistiske.
As one of those attacked, I claim the right to reply to personal smears by Lord Bethell which cannot be justified.
Bersani (PPE). — (IT) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, jeg stemmer for denne beslutning, der drejer sig om et problem, apartheid, som der er bred enighed om at fordømme i dets almene aspekter, i dets konsekvenser for de befolkninger, der lever i Sydafrika og i dets nabolande, samt i dets indvirkninger i det hele taget på forholdet mellem Afrika og Europa, mens vi der imod ikke altid er enige om de konsekvenser, vi bør drage af denne fordømmelse.
President. — Mrs Castle, under Rule 67 any Member who asked to make a personal statement is heard at the end of the discussion of the item of the agenda being dealt with or when the Minutes of the sitting to which the request for leave to speak refers are considered for approval.
Det er på dette punkt, jeg gerne vil præcisere grundene til. at jeg stemmer for.
I shall therefore ask you to speak tomorrow morning when we consider the Minutes.
Vi fik en præken fra hr. Mar shall, som sagde, at han ville stemme imod sanktioner af moralske grunde. Hans moral er, at sanktioner ville skade økonomiske interesser i Sydafrika og i Europa.
Quite frankly there is nothing regrettable in the fact that the President-in-Office of the Council was told to go to the devil by those who are fighting against apartheid, as well as those who have to live under it.
Hvis det er moral, kan han beholde den for sig selv!
But if one is against it, one must go to the limit!
Campinos (S). — (FR) Hr. formand, på den socialistiske gruppes vegne erklærer jeg, at vi vil stemme for denne beslutning.
Mr Poettering (PPE). — (DE) Mr President, apart heid is a degrading ideology that, unfortunately, has held sway in South Africa for decades.
Det gør vi med allerstørste respekt for de modsatte opfattelser, og da især dem, hvorom jeg ved, at de er udsprunget af stor oprigtighed.
But Colin Eglin, an opposition leader in South Africa, and even the General Secretary of the South African Council of Churches, Mr Beyers-Naudée, see great changes taking place in South Africa.
Vi tager ikke dette skridt, og derfor har vi med rolig samvittighed forkastet ændringsforslag nr. 6, samtidig med at vi som andre fordømmer voldshandlinger.
With regard to the consequences deriving from this condemnation, we are however not always in agreement, and in this connection I should like to make clear the reasons why I shall vote in favour.
Castle (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg og andre med lemmer i denne side af salen, som stemte imod ændringsforslag nr. 6 af lord Bethell, er blevet angrebet personligt.
It is our moral duty to do our best to ensure that all mankind can live in freedom, in South Africa and in the Soviet Union, in Chile as well as in the other part of Germany, in the East.
Det er et personligt angreb af en sådan art, at det efter vor sæd og skik berettiger til et svar eller en personlig bemærkning.
It is only too easy for us, with our high standard of living in West Europe, to call for economic sanctions.
Jeg beder om ret til at afgive en personlig erklæring.
In my view they are morally unjustifiable.
Sanktioner har været tilladt af folkeretten i mange år, især i henhold til Folkeforbundets pagts artikel 16, der benyttedes i Rhodesia i 1966, uden at Sikkerhedsrådet stemte imod.
First, because it is necessary to strengthen as a matter of urgency the measures for applying international pressure to avoid the irreparable deterioration of the situation and to seize everyone in South Africa with
Dury (S). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne sige, at jeg ved min stemmeafgivelse ønsker at give udtryk
I would like to ask those of you who support economic sanctions: you are calling for sanctions against South Africa.
Min personlige erklæring er følgende: lord Betheli sagde, at de af os, som stemt imod ændringsforslag nr. 6...
Why do you not support the civil rights movement in the Soviet Union by calling for the same
De vil derfor kunne få ordet i morgen formiddag i forbindelse med godkendelsen af protokollen.
Poettering said, so we do not need to wait for the minutes. That is the legal point.
Det har ikke mod til at nævne den skæbnesvangre internationale under gravning ved navn, der udføres i Sydafrika af ver denskommunismen.
We must support a process of peaceful change, we must give the reform movement of the moderate blacks, whites, Indians and coloureds a chance.
(Bifald fra midten og fra hojre)
(Applause from the right)