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Question No 18 by Mr Moreland: Con tact with the South West African People's Organization (SWAPO):
Gennemførelsen af STABEX i 1981. — Mundtlig forespørgsel med forhandling (dok. 1-227/82) afBersani m.fl.:
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Spørgsmål nr. 22 af Deleau: Samarbejde mellem Fællesskabet og De forenede Stater om et alarmsystemfor valutakurserne:
Question No 21 by Miss Hooper: Legislation on cosmetics:
FORSÆDE: KONSTANTINOS NIKOLAOU Næstformand
IN THE CHAIR: MR NIKOLAOU
(Mødet åbnet kl. 9.00) (')
(The sitting was opened at 9 a.m.)1 lying between two distinct traditional concepts: the dualist system and the unitary system.
Aktieselskabers struktur (fortsættelse)
Structure of sociétés anonymes (continuation)
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er fortsættelse af forhandlingen om betænkning (dok.
President. — The first item is the continuation of the debate on the report (Doc.
1-862/81) af Geurtsen for retsudvalget om aktieselskabers struktur.
1-862/81) by Mr Geurtsen, on behalf of the Legal Affairs Committee, on the structure of sociétés anonymes.
Vi har, at gøre med medlemsstater med forskellige traditioner, ikke mindst forskellige arbejderorganisations- og arbejdskampformer, hvilket har medført, at landene har valgt forskellige løsninger.
In fact I wonder if there is not perhaps some evidence in the attitude of certain undertakings of a continuing preference for more of a monarchic type of organization rather than one which allows power to take its various forms; it is this more mon archic type of organization which survives.
Således er der stor forskel på tysk eller nederlandsk medindflydelse og de former, som man kender i Frankrig, Italien og Storbritannien.
However, I believe that the most important aspect of this Fifth Directive is to see what room is to be made in the power structure for the employees, for the workers of an undertaking.
Vayssade. — (FR) Hr. formand, det, det drejer sig om i forbindelse med det femte direktiv, som vi i dag drøfter efter mange års forberedende arbejde, er at finde ud af, hvilken organisationsform vi ønsker at give aktieselskabet i De Ti's Europa, og i særdeleshed hvem der skal sidde inde med magten i disse selskaber.
Mrs Vayssade. — (FR) Mr President, the point of this Fifth Directive which we are discussing here today after many years of preparatory work is to determine the kind of structure we are to give to companies in the Europe of the Ten, and above all to decide who is to hold the power in these companies.
Dette problem står i midtpunktet af virksomhedernes liv og er utvivlsomt også det centrale punkt i hele den fælles ret til harmonisering af medlemsstaternes handelsret.
This problem lies at the heart of the daytoday activity of any undertaking and is without doubt central to the whole body of Community law concerned with harmonizing company law in the Member States.
Det er klart, at en dårlig økonomisk beslutning i en virksomhed vil få finansielle følger for aktionærerne, men den vil få langt mere dramatiske følger for alle lønmodtagerne, der løber risiko for at miste deres levebrød, deres indtægt og deres beskæftigelse og måske derfor kommer til at betale administrative fejl dyrere end alle andre.
We are faced with European countries which have different traditions, particularly as regards the organ ization of labour and worker struggle, and have arrived at their own individual solutions, ranging from the kind of joint management we see in Germany or the Netherlands to the usual ways of organizing worker participation that we see in France, Italy and Great Britain.
Fordelingen af beføjelserne: retsudvalgets drøftelser var langvarige, fordi der var tale om to forskellige traditioner, det dualistiske og det monitiske aktieselskab.
The question of power structure was discussed at some length in the Legal Affairs Committee, the choice
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Vi siger ja til reel medindflydelse for arbejdstagerne, men vi siger ikke ja til en hvilken som helst form for medindflydelse.
But I believe that there is at least one universal demand: through whatever means it is expressed, the voice of the workers must really be heard and be able
Hr. formand, det er disse to betragtninger, der har foranlediget retsudvalget til at konkludere, at det vil være tilstrækkeligt at åbne adgang til frivillig indførelse af det dualistiske system.
The current refusal to extend these powers is extremely damaging for the European economy as a whole.
Det har været formålet med de i Geurtsenbetænkningen indeholdte forslag i videst muligt omfang at samordne forholdene under behørig hensyntagen til de enkelte medlemsstaters særlige forhold inden for et område, der givetvis er vanskeligt og kompliceret, og hvor det er helt klart, at man ikke kan se bort fra Fællesskabets pluralisme.
In conclusion, unless the amendments of the Socialist Group are adopted, unless it is agreed to reduce the figure of one thousand, unless it is agreed to give more power to workers' representatives, unless it is acknowledged that the patterns that have been established, and particularly the German pattern, con stitute a minimum which must be safeguarded, we shall not be able to support this text under any circum stances.
Det er disse to momenter, hr. formand, der har ligget til grund for retsudvalgets arbejde, hvorfor man da også genfinder dem i den af hr. Geurtsen udarbejdede betænkning.
Now it is my impression that the Geurtsen report, rather than blazing a trail and allowing us to set our sights on more ambitious objectives as regards worker participation, does in fact appear tõ be somewhat retrograde.
Såvel hvad angår kontrolorganets sammensætning i det dualistiske system som det administrative organs sammensætning i det monistiske system, har Parlamentets retsudvalg, samtidig med at det går ind for, at generalforsamlingen vælger mindst en tredjedel og højst to tredjedele af de medlemmer, der skal varetage kontrolfunktionerne, krævet, at der, dersom halvdelen af kontrolorganets medlemmer skulle blive valgt af arbejdstagerne, bliver indført kompensationsforanstaltninger til sikring af aktionærernes beslutningsret.
Mr Fischbach. — (FR) Mr President, ever since it was put forward by the Community authorities in 1972, the Fifth Directive has been a subject of passionate debate among employers and trade unionists who feel concerned by the politically crucial aspect of the pro posed reform, namely the aspect of employee participation. pation.
Hr. formand, kære kolleger, det af retsudvalget frem satte forslag udmærker sig givetvis ved sin smidighed og realitetssans.
Employee participation has been and always will remain a constant preoccupation of Christian Democracy.
Hvis den af Kommissionen valgte løsning tager sigte på at harmonisere de nationale lovgivninger med henblik på skabelse af et europæisk aktieselskab, der er det samme overalt, så tager retsudvalgets forslag sigte på at samordne de natio nale lovgivninger under hensyntagen til hver enkelt medlemsstats egne traditioner og opfattelser.
Christian Democrats are convinced that democj racy can by no means be confined to just the political sphere but must also be applied to social and economic relations.
Kommissionen har klart udtalt sig til fordel for en almindelig udbredelse af det dualistiske system med to administrative organer, nemlig et ledelsesorgan, der har ansvaret for selskabets arbejde, og et organ, der skal kontrollere ledelsesorganet.
We regard as quite legitimate the desire of employees to give more meaning to their work and to assume more responsibility in the economic sphere and to participate more fully in the running of the under taking.
Sir Fred Catherwood. — (EN) Hr. formand, vor gruppe hilser denne betænkning velkommen, og jeg kan personlig give den mine bedste anbefalinger.
This at times extremely vociferous discussion about how to extend workers' rights, and sometimes simply how to hold on to established rights, is presently being carried on in many countries.
Det britiske Institute of Management var, da jeg var formand i midten af halvfjerdserne, foregangsmand med forslag om medindflydelse for arbejdstagerne i Storbritannien, og vi blev fulgt af den britiske arbejdsgiverforening, the Confederation of British Industry.
The Fifth Directive, in the form in which it emerged from the Legal Affairs Committee of the European Parliament, represents a sad blow to some of these workers' struggles, for what does this Fifth Directive tell us, even if it acknowledges the diversity of traditions and recognizes the need for a minimum level of representation with a minimum right to information?
Men disse initiativer blev ikke til noget, fordi den britiske fagbevægelse desværre insisterede på, at medindflydelse skulle ske gennem det eksisterende fagforeningsbaserede forhandlingsmaskineri i virksomhederne.
It tells us clearly and distinctly that the only real power is with the share holders — whatever happens it is they who will decide, it is the general meeting that will decide and it is the rights of shareholders which will come first.
Det var min opgave på et stort offentligt møde over for den daværende premierminister James Callaghan at påpege, at dette i realiteten ikke var demokrati, at dette var oligarki.
The desire for a more humane and more democratic working environment is not at all a national phenomenon: it is being voiced with growing insistence throughout Europe.
Og at enhver virksomhed hermed i sine retlige statutter fik indbygget et lammende handicap bestående i rivaliseren mellem de enkelte fagforeninger, og at det derfor var fuldstændig uacceptabelt, selv for de af os der gik stærkest ind for tanken om medindflydelse.
Furthermore, this desire lies at the very heart of the great social encyclicals of the Catholic Church, which have had a considerable influence on the economic philosophy of Christian Democrats.
Vi hørte ikke mere om disse forslag, og vi håbede, at der med tiden kunne fremkomme bedre forslag på grundlag af Det europæiske Fællesskabs samlede erfaringsmateriale.
Leo X's Rerum Novarum is just one example that I could quote, but I am convinced that the principle of participation is set forth with absolute clarity in the encyclical Mater et Magistra by Pope John XXIII.
Kommissionen mener videre, at det dualistiske system vil være egnet til at lette stiftelsen af aktieselskaber mellem partnere eller partnergrupper hjemmehørende i forskellige medlemsstater.
In other words, what we have is a refusal to accept that any form of worker representation must carry with it an effective power ultimately to influence economic decisions. Why?
Vi ønsker også, at arbejdstagernes repræsentanter ikke fjernes for langt fra de mennesker, de skal repræsentere, og at deres repræsentation styrker de vigtigste beskæftigelsescentre i forhold til finansielle holdingselskaber, nationale som multinationale
The kind of argument that we have heard used, that has been voiced in the Legal Affairs Committee, runs as follows: Workers are being denied this power because it is thought thay they are unable to take a longterm view, to anticipate events, to take more general interests into account and that they would be capable of looking only after their short-term interests or their interests at grassroots level, at shopfloor level or after their immediate work ing conditions.
Derimod anbefaler Parlamentets retsudvalg ikke en almindelig udbredelse af det dualistiske system, idet udvalget med rette i øvrigt er af den opfattelse, at der selv i det monistiske system, der kun har et administrationsorgan, foreligger en klar opdeling mellem de personer, der administrerer selskabet, og dem, der fører tilsyn med administrationen, således at der ikke er brug for nogen deling af de to parters beføjelser og opgaver.
Well, it is clear from what we have seen in our various countries over many years that workers' organizations are often better planners and better forecasters than many economists and company directors and that they have, by their actions, frequently been able to save
Denne repræsentation vil under alle omstændigheder genskabe en del af den autonomi, som manien for finansielle sammenslutninger har fjernet fra de steder, hvor folk arbejder.
All too often, in fact, proposals aimed at establishing worker participation are one sided and consequently unacceptable.
Catherwood af indflydelse inden for virksomhederne — en virkelig overførsel af indflydelse — og fordi vi ønsker, at det skal komme til at fungere, at vore venner her ikke i dag vil presse os ud over de muligheder, vi råder over, og som vi mener at vi kan bringe til at fungere i vort land.
Fischbach vides for an executive organ responsible for the daytoday affairs of the company and an organ responsible for supervising the executive.
D'Angelosante. — (IT) Hr. formand, ærede kolleger, hr. Geurtsen — hvis subtile juridiske færdigheder denne gang ikke tjener en retfærdig sag — sagde i går aftes, at den betænkning, der bærer hans navn, respekterer artikel 54 i traktaten, i kraft af hvilken samordningen af de garantier, selskaberne skal yde såvel selskabsdeltagerne som tredjemand, skal have til formål at gøre de dertil bestemte normer ensartede uden at påtvinge strenge modeller.
Parliament's Legal Affairs Committee, on the other hand, does not recommend the general application of the dualist system. It considers, in fact, and with good reason, that even in the unitary system, in which there is only one administrative organ, the responsibilities of the persons managing the company are clearly demarcated so that there is no need for any distribution of powers or for duties to be split between two organs.
Arbejdstagernes medindflydelse er legitimeringen af deres finansielle interesse i en virksomhed.
Here, as in many other areas, Christian Democrats have again succeeded in finding a happy medium.
Den kan ikke for tid og evighed betrages som en magtfaktor, om end nok så stor, uden for virksomheden.
Two important ideas emerge from this encyclical.
Det har altid været fremsynet politik at integrere en betydelig magtfaktor og finansielle interesser i retligt konstitutionelle rammer. Ellers beter de sig uansvarligt og nedbrydende. Men dette skridt må i et demokrati ske på et demokratisk grundlag.
The first is the need to make employee participation a reality and to estab lish a new balance between the forces in an undertaking and in the economy, and by that I mean that participation must go beyond the simply structural level as advocated in the Geurtsen report and extend to participation at the level of what the undertaking actually produces.
Lad os se lidt nærmere på disse ting: ifølge hr. Geurtsens forslag kan det dualistiske og det monistiske system findes side om side i Fællesskabet.
Mr President, given these two considerations, it is the conclusion of the Legal Affairs Committee that the introduction of the dualist system on an optional basis will be sufficient.
Arbejdstagernes repræsentantskab kan være en del af tilsynsorganet eller af administrationsorganet eller stå uden for selskabets ledelsesstruktur. Dets forhold kan reguleres af medlemsstaterne med love eller af arbejdsmarkedets parter i de kollektive overenskomster.
To coordinate everything as far as possible while still taking into account the individual experiences of the various Member States, that is the thrust of the proposals contained in the Geurtsen report on what is undoubtedly a tricky and complex question, where clearly it would be wrong to discount the pluralistic natuYe of the Community.
Fru Vayssade sagde, at den socialistiske gruppe ønsker at nedsætte det, og måske kan man diskutere, nøjagtig ved hvilket tal dette punkt nås.
My group's only hope now is that this excellent report of Mr Geurtsen can be adopted by the largest possible majority of the House.
Men dette svarer efter vor mening til medlemsstaternes fulde lovgivningsmæssige suverænitet og er et tro spejl af den.
It is these two considerations, Mr President, that were constantly at the forefront of the minds of the members of the Legal Affairs Committee and that come out again in Mr Geurtsen's report.
Dertil behøves ikke noget fællesskabsdokument; det, der siges i dette direktiv, kan gøres af staterne uden noget direktiv. Hvis der indføres en retsakt fra Fællesskabet, kan det kun indskrænke staternes autonomi: det er ganske logisk, og det er der præcedens for.
As regards both the composition of the supervisory organ in the dualist system and the composition of the executive organ in the unitary system, Parliament's Legal Affairs Com mittee, whilst coming down in favour of the election by the general meeting of at least onethird and at most two-thirds of the members charged with supervisory functions, insists, in cases where one-half of the members of the supervisory organ are elected by the workers, that there should be provision for compensatory measures to guarantee the shareholders' right to take the final decision.
Men det får arbejdstagerne i disse virksomheder ikke at vide af ledelsen.
President. — I call Sir Fred Catherwood.
Det mener man vil være for politisk.
This last provision is vital.
Vore arbejdstagere har ret til at få et vide, hvor deres indkomst kommer fra.
It will at all events permit the company to retain and safeguard its decision-making capability.
Man bør ikke tilbageholde oplysninger, fordi ledelsen er af den opfat telse, at det vil give anledning til skænderier.
This is also, incidentally, the thrust of an amendment tabled by Mr Beumer and supported by our group.
Ser man rigtigt til, kan staterne ifølge dette direktiv, således som det ønskes ændret af flertallet i retsudvalget, gøre som det passer dem.
Mr President, the proposal put forward by the Legal Affairs Committee is remarkable for its flexibility and sense of reality.
Hvis de imidlertid beslutter sig til at gennemføre medindflydelse, må de ikke foreskrive den mest passende selskabsmodel; de kan ikke gøre det i virksomheder, der beskæftiger mindre end 1 000 arbejdere; de kan ikke gøre det i de selskaber, der er dele af en gruppe. På denne måde begrænses muligheden for at indføre medbestemmelse til et yderst beskedent antal virksomheder.
Where the Commission has looked for a solution in the harmonization of national legislation with a view to establishing a European Company which would be the same everywhere, the proposal of the Legal Affairs Committee, on the other hand, seeks to coordinate national legislation while taking account of the traditions and conceptions peculiar to each Member State.
Magten forbliver altså i deres hænder. Dette er, hvad hr. von Bismarcks ændringsforslag går ud på.
The Commission has come out strongly in favour of a general application of the dualist system, which pro
Det britiske konservative parti er et parti, der støtter de små virksomheder, det er ikke storindustriens parti.
Sir Fred Catherwood. — Mr President, our group welcomes this report and I commend it most warmly myself.
Jeg beklager, at ingen af vore venner på den anden side er til stede i dag.
The British Institute of Management, when I was Chairman in the mid seventies, led the way in pro posals for worker participation in Britain and we were followed by the Confederation of British Industry.
Og det mener, at multinationale virksomheder kontrolleres bedst gennem et multinationalt politisk samarbejde i organer som Europa-Parlamentet, som vort parti går fuldt og helt ind for.
But these initiatives were destroyed when the British trade union movement regrettably insisted that participation be through the existing trade union negotiating machinery in the companies.
Og jeg må igen beklage, at ingen af medlem merne af det britiske labour er til stede her.
It was my job at a large public meeting, in responding to the then Prime Minister, Jim Callaghan, to point out that this was not actually democracy, this was oligarchy.
Men Storbritannien ligger i sin virksomhedsstruktur nærmere Amerika, hvor der ikke er arbejdstagerrepræsentation og ingen trang til at få det.
And that it froze into the legal constitution of every company the crippling liability of inter-union rivalry and for that reason was totally unacceptable even to those of us who most strongly supported the idea of participation.
Jeg håber derfor, fordi dette repræsenterer en enorm overførsel
We heard no more of those particular proposals and we hoped that something better might eventually emerge from
D'Angelosante modstander af klassekampen af marxistisk type og forsvarer for princippet om solidaritet mellem klasserne.
Catherwood the accumulated experience of the European Com munity.
Han vil faktisk overvinde den marxistiske klassekamp ved at afskaffe den ene af klasserne !
It now has, and one man one vote seems firmly incorporated in all the options before us.
(Munterhed) lande, der ikke kendte bestemte mekanismer, til lang somt at nærme sig til dem.
should not be withheld because management believes it may cause an argument.
Med hr. Geurtsens forslag gøres desuden princippet om valget mindre virkningsfuldt, for så vidt som det godkender princippet om selvsupplering og udnævnelsesbeføjelse.
We were also anxious that workers' representatives would not become too far removed from those they represented and that their representation would strengthen the main centres of employment in relation to financial holding companies, whether national or multinational.
Det er f.eks. ikke sandt, at arbejdstagerne i et selskab af den engelske monistiske type vil få de samme magtbeføjelser, som de har i det tyske dualistiske selskab, og ikke fordi det ene er monistisk og det andet dualistisk, men fordi man ikke vil tildele dem disse magtbeføjelser.
And that is why, in my view, we need Vredeling in one form or another in addition to the establishment of strong worker representation in the main centres of employment.
Med andre ord, mine ærede kolleger, er hele forslaget efter vor mening gennemsyret af en arbejderfjendtlig ånd.
That representation will restore, in any case, some of the autonomy which the mania for financial mergers has taken away from the place where people work.
Det siges, at tingene har forandret sig med Englands indtræden, eller at England skulle være modvillig til at acceptere visse bestemmelser. Heller ikke det er sandt!
The British Conservatives are a party dedicated to small business, not the party of big business.
Jeg skal nævne tre grunde for at vise det. For det første : netop i England blev der før valgene i 1979 nedsat et udvalg om demokrati på arbejdspladsen, og dets ordfører fremsatte forslag, som var de mest avancerede i Europa med hensyn til medindflydelse og arbejdstagerrepræsentation.
And it believes that multinational companies are best controlled through multinational political cooperation in bodies like the European Parliament which we in our party wholeheartedly support.
Her i Parlamentet — ved et møde i retsudvalget, for det nåede aldrig frem i salen — fik en betænkning af hr. Manfred Schmidt — tysk social demokrat — ja-stemmer af /a^owr-medlemmerne, der er englændere ligesom de konservative.
And I am sorry again that none of the Members of the British Labour movement are here. But Britain is nearer to America in its company structure which has no worker representation and no urge to have any.