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Tugendhat. — (EN) Jeg er enig i udtalelserne om den rolle, kvinden spiller i det offentlige liv i vore medlemsstater og også i en række ikke-medlems-stater, som f.eks. Norge.
Mr Purvis. — Would the Commissioner confirm the figures we were given by his predecessor for the energy objective for 1990, which were then expanded up to the year 2000, and which estimated that coal requirements in the Community would be in the order of 600 million tonnes; estimated, I agree roughly?
Men jeg vil gerne gøre fru Kellett-Bowman opmærksom på, at der i perioden 1976-1981 er sket en stigning på 50 % i antallet af kvindelige tjenestemænd i lønklasse A4 og A 5, og det er dog en god begyndelse.
Would he not agree that coal is therefore going to play a very major part in any energy strategy and within that scale of coal consumption there must be ample room to satisfy the needs of those Member States which wish to use imported coal and those which also are producing coal?
Tallene viser, som fru Kellett-Bowman siger det, en uanstændigt langsom udvikling.
Can he not hang a policy for coal on that mutuality of interest between all the Member States in the coal sector?
Quin. — (EN) Det er en meget skuffelse!
Impor tant progress has recently been made on two points.
Jeg vil blot spørge kommissæren, om han ved, at der blandt arbejdere, der forlader skibsbygningsindustrien, har været meget store forhåbninger til dette forslag?
The American Government has put an end to its price controls for petroleum. Secondly, it is removing the restrictions on exports of naphtha.
Vil kommissæren forsikre os, at Kommissionen vil gøre alt for at sikre, at disse forhåbninger ikke brister helt, og at dette spørgsmål bestemt vil blive fastholdt på dagsordenen?
The Commission hopes that the American Government will also shortly put into effect its announced intention of ending price controls on natural gas.
Vi må også tage i betragtning, at der er relativt mange kvindelige tjenestemænd i lønklasse A 7 og A 6; de udgør henholdsvis 14,20% og 13,70%, og det viser, at vi skulle kunne opnå yderligere frem skridt i de.kommende år.
As regards the steep rise in imports in some textile and clothing sectors, we have the impression — and this is confirmed by the figures — that the peak was obviously passed in the first half of 1980.
Men jeg kan forsikre det ærede medlem og Parlamentet om, at vi har behov for flere kvinder på de højere stillinger i Kommis-
We have also discussed these problems with our American interlocutors.
Seligman. — (EN) Er kommissæren ikke enig med mig i, at kvinder bør prioritere det ærefulde hverv at opdrage en glad og dygtig børneflok højest, og at de ikke skal lade sig friste af høje stillinger af økono miske grunde eller simple ambitioner?
We have been assured that the attention of the American textile industry would be drawn to these problems in an appropriate manner.
Davignon. — (FR) Naturligvis vil Kommissionen have dette spørgsmål in mente. Men jeg finder det ikke refærdigt at bebrejde Kommissionen, at den er skyld i bristede forhåbninger — legitime forhåbninger, i betragtning af den nuværende situation for skibsbygningsarbejderne. Parlamentet har ikke ladet opføre bevillinger til dette formål på budgettet.
Mr Davignon. — (FR) There is at present no community of interest between the Member States in the Council of Ministers on the subject of coal, that is my first observation.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 14 af Elaine Kellett-Bowman (H-808/80):
Mrs Ewing. — I thank the Commissioner for his detailed answer and for his comments on the degree of decontrol of oil; although the problem of gas remains.
Tugendhat. — (EN) Min personlige mening er, at kvinder må have frihed til at vælge, og at de kvinder, som ønsker at skabe karriere, må kunne gøre dette uden at blive udsat for nogen form for diskriminering. ring.
I would ask the Commission therefore whether, in the light of the gravity of the problem and the jobs involved here, and the restriction by the US on imports, whether the Commission takes the view that, if it cannot solve this problem, it would be up to Member States with many jobs at stake to restrict their own level of imports?
Vil Kommissionen nu give en ajourført oversigt i procent over kvinder ansat i disse lønklasser?
We must now bend our efforts towards the attainment of such a policy.
Tugendhat, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (EN) Fru Kellett-Bowman har bedt om tal til sammenligning med de tal, hun fik opgivet, sidste gang hun stillede spørgsmålet.
Mr Haferkamp. — (DE) We have often been asked what measures we were taking for petroleum and naphtha.
Elaine Kellett-Bowman. — (EN) Er kommissæren ikke enig med mig i, at udviklingen siden jeg i 1976 stillede hr. Tugendhats forgænger det samme spørgsmål, har været ganske uanstændig? Hvis
President. — Question No 12 by Mrs Ewing (H-784/ 80):
Kirk. — Jeg vil gerne tilslutte mig de sidste ord fra kommissær Tugendhat, men det er ligesom underforstået i spørsmåjet fra fru Kellett-Bowman, at der sker diskriminering af kvinder i Kommissionens tjeneste.
What progress has the Commission achieved in its discussions with the United States' administration on the problem of the upsurge of United States' imports into the EEC and particularly into the United Kingdom; what action is proposed and to what extent will it meet the Council's requirements that their discussions should cover the whole range of problems and all possible solutions? tions?
Dette har jeg ikke indtryk af er tilfældet, men jeg vil gerne spørge kommissær Tugendhat, om man gør noget specielt fra Kommissionens side for at fremme kvindernes mulighed for at opnå en højere placering i Kommissionen. Og hvad gør man specielt fra Kommissionens side for at skabe ligestilling for ansættelse af mænd i C 3-stillingerne?
Mr Welsh. — Does Vice-President Haferkamp believe that the United States administration fully and completely understands the simple fact that, if the Community is expected to continue to run trading deficits with the United States of $ 25 000 million or more indefinitely, the open trading system simply will not be able to survive?
Men, som ligeledes allerede omtalt, lader disse skævheder sig ikke udligne med ét.
Welsh prepares the preliminary draft budget for 1982; Parlia ment will be duly informed.
Jeg synes, at en 50 % stigning i de lønklasser, jeg omtalte, er ganske imponerende, og der er selvfølgelig nu flere kvinder forholdsmæssigt i de lavere A-lønklasser, som vil blive forfremmet til de højere A-lønklasser.
the Commission is putting together a position paper vis-à-vis the United States for the Ottawa Conference in which the ministers can discuss seriously how these vast trading deficits can be limited by voluntary and not compulsory agreement?
Denne situation vil derfor hurtigt blive ændret, uanset de sociale og psykologiske problemer, der kan opstå — kvinderne ved ildstedet og mændene ved opvasken. Men alt dette er ikke særlig væsentligt.
Will the Commissioner give us an assurance that the Commission will do everything to ensure that these hopes, which have been raised, are not wholly disappointed and that the matter will definitely be kept on the agenda?
Forholdene vil ændres, fordi de ikke er repræsentative for vælgerne, som betalter skatterne, eller for den europæiske befolkning, hvoraf kvinderne udgør 53 %.
Mr Haferkamp. — (DE) I am grateful for the honourable Member's reference to this Conference at which the intention is to deal with these problems in the general context of world trade policy.
Kvinderne går i skole, de går på universitetet, men de har enormt vanskeligt ved at opnå de højere stillinger i Kommissionen.
With the world trade system as it is today, bilateral trade patterns cannot be considered in isolation in terms of surpluses and deficits.
Og det er virkelig en skandale, at det netop er forekommet i selve Kommissionen for De euro pæiske Fællesskaber, som kun er. 30 år gammel!
As the Honourable Member has stated, there is in fact a problem which requires general discussion and an overall approach.
Vi har også gennemført en række undersøgelser inden for Kommissionen for at se, hvad der kan gøres for at øge forfremmelsen af kvinder, men i en multinational tjeneste som vor er der særlige vanskelig heder.
Mr Davignon. — (FR) The Commission will obviously keep this matter in mind.
Man skal lige tænke på, at det i London, København, Paris eller enhver anden hovedstad i Fællesskabet ikke er usædvanligt at finde en kvinde, som skaber sig en karriere inden for den offentlige tjeneste, mens hendes mand skaber sig en anden karriere i samme hovedstad.
But I think it is unfair to criticize the Commission for disappointing hopes — legitimate hopes given the situation facing workers in the shipbuilding sector.
Men det er klart, at for så vidt angår Bruxelles, hvor der er tale om ikkebelgiere — for belgierne er Bruxelles naturligvis ikke det samme problem — ville kvinder, som kommer til Bruxelles og som skaber sig en karriere dér få vanske ligt ved at at opretholde et familieliv med mænd, som måske arbejder i en anden hovedstad.
Parliament did not enter the necessary appropriations in the budget: how can we expect to change the Council's position when there is no money in the budget?
Jeg vil også gerne understrege, at med hensyn til antallet af kvindelige tjenestemænd i vor tjenestegren, skal man ikke udelukkende sammenligne med lande som Storbritannien og Danmark eller f.eks. med Frankrig, hvor kvindelige tjenestemænd udgør en stor del af de ansatte.
It was with an eye to the overall aspects of world trade that we conducted the Tokyo-round negotiations and are following up implementation of the results attained; we therefore also welcome the opportunity to discuss these problems at the new World Economic Summit Conference with a view to the expansion and not to any limitation of world trade.
Man skal også sammenligne med lande, som måske snarere deler hr. Seligman's opfattelse.
The Commission will be making its preparations for the Conference in that spirit.
Tugendhat. — (EN) Som svar på fru Baduel Gloriosos indlæg, vil jeg gennemgå listen.
President. — Question No 14 by Mrs Kellett-Bowman (H-808/80):
Så den er uden tvivl en af vore væsentligste tjenester. Så vidt jeg husker, er den 400-500 mennesker ansat i denne tjeneste.
President. — Question No 13 by Miss Quin (H-794/ 80):
Så er der selvfølgelig min egen kabinetschef, som jo også er en kvinde.
Will the Commission now give the up-to-date percentage figures of women employed in these grades?
Jeg vil slet ikke påstå, at disse tal er tilfredsstillende. • Som tidligere sagt, mener jeg, at vi bør have flere kvinder i de højere stillinger i Kommissionen.
Mr Tugendhat, Vice-President of the Commission. — Mrs Kellett-Bowman is asking for figures to compare with those given when she previously asked the question.
Men det er væsentligt at bemærke, at procentsatsen i den nederste ende af A-skalaen er betydeligt højere end i den øverste ende, og at et stadig større antal kvinder derfor vil blive forfremmet i de kommende år.
The relevant figures on 28 February were: 3-57%, 6-77% and 76-68% of female A4, A5 and C3 officials respectively.
van den Heuvel. — (NL) Jeg har med interesse lyttet til kommissærens svar.
Mrs Kellett-Bowman. — Would the Commissioner not agree that this is a disgraceful rate of progress since I questioned his predecessor in 1976?
Da familielivet og opdragelsen af børn anses for så betydningsfuldt, ville det så ikke være på sin plads inden for rammerne af den kampagne, kommissæren fører, at henstille, at man overbeviser de mandlige embedsmænd på de høje poster om, hvor betydningsfuld denne opgave er?
If women are capable of being Prime Ministers of Member States and the President of this Parliament, surely they are capable of filling the higher posts in the Commission to a far greater extent than they do at the present time.
Måske kunne de så stille deres stillinger til rådighed, så deres kvindelige kolleger kunne avancere.
Will the Commission please make a far greater effort to recruit and promote women to these posts?
Tugendhat. — (EN) Jeg er enig med fru van den Heuvel i, at opdragelse af børn sandelig ikke er en opgave, som udelukkende skal påhvile den ene part.
Mr Tugendhat. — I agree on the role played by women in the public life of our Member States and indeed in some non-member European States as well, such as Norway.
Jeg kan forsikre Dem om, at min kone har nogle meget bestemte synspunkter herom, som hun konstant gør mig opmærksom på.
But I would point out to Mrs Kellett-Bowman that there has been an increase of around 50% in the number of female A4 and A5 officials between 1976 and 1981, which represents a good
Da nu spørgerne har været af forskellige nationaliteter — hollandsk, italiensk, britisk, dansk — vil jeg også gerne understrege, at en række tjenestemænd i lønklasse Al og A 2 naturligvis er kommet ind udefra.
Mr Davignon, Vice-President of the Commission. — (FR) As the House already knows, the Commission's proposal which was given a favourable reception by Parliament and by the Economic and Social Committee, did not gain the Council's support: the Council did not wish to follow the Commission's ideas.
Dette gælder måske i særlig grad de nye medlemsstater, men det gælder tjenestemænd af alle nationaliteter.
Secondly, the Commission's proposal to enter six million units of account in the 1981 budget was replaced by a token entry in the draft budget and it was in that form that the budget was approved by Parliament.
En række af de højtstående tjeneste mænd er kommet fra deres nationale tjenester.
In other words no appropriations are available for 1981.
Det er måske slående, at de nationale centraladministrationer ikke har udnævnt kvinder.
We are therefore in a position of deadlock.
Jeg ved ikke hvorfor, men hvis man ser på, hvilken procentdel kvinderne udgør af højestansatte, synes jeg det ligeledes bør tages i betragtning.
The attitude adopted by the Council on social measures for the steel industry involving conventional action in the social sphere, does not presage for the time being any change in the Council's position on new measures, particularly in the ship building sector.
Europa-Parlamentets forhandlinger af en national centraladministrations skala giver ikke mulighed herfor.
Debates of the European Parliament
Maij-Weggen. — (NL) Jeg vil henlede kommissærens opmærksomhed på endnu to punkter og stille to spørgsmål herom. Man spørger sig ofte, hvad grunden er til, at kvinder i så ringe grad når frem til høje stillinger.
I think, too, that we need to consider the relatively higher proportion of women now in grades A7 and A6, which amounts to 14-20% and 13-70% respectively, which suggests that we should be able to make further improvements in the years to come.
For Kommissionens vedkommende tror jeg, at en af grundene — og det er tidligere blevet påpeget her — skal søges i, at der er fastsat en bestemt aldersgrænse for ansættelse af nyt personale. Aldersgrænsen er særlig ugunstig netop for kvinder.
However, I can assure the honourable lady, and indeed the House, that I very much agree that we do need to have more women in higher ranks in the Commission.
Nå, men så har de ikke længere en eneste chance for at beklæde en stilling i EF-kommissionen af den ganske simple grund, at de så er for gamle. Og netop på grund af dette for kvinder helt specielle arbejdsforløb, får kvinderne hos Kommissionen langt færre chancer end mænd, der nu engang ikke opfylder familieforpligtelser.
If one thinks for one moment that in London, Copenhagen, Paris or any other capital of a Member State it is not at all unusual to find a woman pursuing a career in the civil service while her husband is pursuing a career of some other sort in the same capital, it becomes clear that in the case of Brussels, where one is dealing with non-Belgians — for Belgians, of course, Brussels does not present the same problem — there would be a difficulty for women who come to Brussels and who pursue a career there to maintain a family life with husbands who might be pursuing a career in a different capital.
Coutsocheras. — (GR) Jeg tager kun ordet, fordi også jeg føler nødvendighed af og moralsk pligt til at understrege det, som er en skændsel for vort århundrede, hvis vi tager i betragtning, at vi nærmer os år 2000.
Mr Seligman. — Does the Commissioner not agree that women should give priority to the honourable career of bringing up a happy and successful family, and that they should not be tempted into high office by economic necessity or naked ambition?
Jeg minder Dem om de drøftelser, som fandt sted for nylig i Luxembourg, og Maij Weggenbetænkningen, hvor der i realiteten udtryktes disse synspunkter omkring den ulige behandling af kvinder. Selv om forfatningerne i de forskellige lande går ind for ligestilling af de to køn, er uligheden forbavsende.
I would point out, too, that with regard to the proportion of women in our service, one should not compare it only with countries such as Britain and Denmark, for instance, or with France, where there is now a very high proportion of women in the public service; one ought also to compare it with some other Member, States which take, perhaps, rather more the view of Mr Seligman; so there is a balance to be struck.
Jeg er overrasket over her at høre, at denne ulige behandling af kvinder stadig forekommer, og jeg vil gerne igen understrege den pligt, Kommissionens medlemmer har til at betragte som deres første opgave at realisere ligestillingen af de to køn, fordi kvinder besidder mange evner og fremfor alt følsomhed og iagttagelsesevne. Disse to kvaliteter kan, hvis de stilles til landenes disposition, virkeligt hæve vor civilisations standard.
However, I can assure him that we shall look at the matter with a very open mind and indeed would be very interested to hear of all and any ideas for increasing the proportion of women in our service, which is something which we believe needs to be done.
Dekker. — (NL) Jeg har et konkret spørgsmål til kommissæren, skønt jeg fandt hans argumentation i orden.
Mr Tugendhat. — My own view is that women should have freedom of choice, and that those women who wish to pursue careers ought to be able to do so without suffering from any form of discrimination.
Et andet spørgsmål, som jeg gerne vil knytte hertil, er: Har kvinder egentlig også mulighed for at arbejde deltids hos Kommissionen?
Mrs van den Heuvel. — (NL) I listened to the Commissioner's answers with interest.
Det kan ofte udmærket lade sig gøre midlertidigt at kombinere arbejde i familien med deltidsarbejde, men det er mit indtryk, at det er umuligt hos Kommissionen.
If family life and the bringing up of children are considered so impor tant, would it not be desirable, in the context of the Commissioner's campaign, to make senior male officials aware of the importance of that task?
Vi finder især, at det for kvindernes deltagelse i arbejdsprocessen er vigtigt, at de pågældende aldersgrænser ophæves.
Mr Tugendhat. — I quite agree with Mrs van den Heuvel that bringing up children is certainly not a task which devolves only on one of the parents.
Jeg vil derfor gerne have at vide af kommissæren, hvornår disse ophæves for EF-institutionernes vedkommende, i hvert fald i Kommissionen.
Indeed I can assure her that my wife has very strong views on this matter which are brought constantly home to me.
Tugendhat. — (EN) Det ærede medlem har tidligere over for mig rejst spørgsmålet om aldersgrænse for ansættelse, og vi har haft meningsudvekslinger om det. Det spørgsmål optager naturligvis mange.
Mr Kirk. — (DK) I gladly subscribe to the last state ment by Commissioner Tugendhat but the question by Mrs Kellett-Bowman clearly implies that there is discrimination against women in the Commission's services.
Jeg må tilstå, at det ikke altid er let at finde en balance. Jeg erkender fuldt ud det problem, at kvinder ofte må afbryde deres karriere, således som det ærede medlem gjorde opmærksom på.
I do not have the impression that this has come about by chance and I would like to ask Mr Tugendhat whether the Commission is now making special efforts to facilitate the advancement of women to higher grades in the Commission.
Men selv om jeg gerne så flere kvinder i højere embeder i Kommissionen, kan jeg vanskeligt se, hvorledes kvinder skal kunne arbejde deltids på de trin, vi her taler om. Eller for den sags skyld mænd.
Also, is the Commission taking special measures to create employ ment opportunities for men in C3 positions?
Jeg må måske have lov at gøre ham opmærksom på relativiteten i de arbejdsuger, vi nu kender.
We note today — as Mrs Kellett-Bowman has quite rightly stressed — that there are very few women in grades A4 and A5, to say nothing of grades A3 — where I think there is only one head of division, the Dane, Miss Nielsen — and A2 and Al.
For en halv snes år siden var arbejdsugens længde en anden end i dag, og for halvtreds år siden var situationen igen en helt anden.
This situation will however change rapidly despite the social and psychological problems involved, including the obsolete attitude that
Der er meget, der taler for, at man også engang ser nærmere på, om mændene måske ikke alt for ensidigt bruger al deres tid på en erhvervsfunktion.
Mr Tugendhat. — As I said in answer to Mrs Kellett-Bowman, I am very conscious and the Commission is very conscious of the need to have more women in higher ranks in our service.
Jeg vil derfor gerne vide, om kommissæren er modtagelig for visse ideer, udviklinger og eksperimenter. Vil han se på, om det dog ikke vil være muligt med visse juste-
I think the 50% increase in the levels which I referred to earlier is quite impressive, and there is, of course, now a higher proportion of women in the lower A grades who will coming forward for promotion into the higher A grades.
Mødet mandag den 6. april 1981
Sitting of Monday, 6 Aprii 1981
Dekker ringer også at benytte deltidsarbejde i de høje stillinger? linger?
Baduel Glorioso women should remain in the home.
Et andet punkt, som kommissæren omtalte, er den omstændighed, at det skulle være medlemslandene, der udpeger de højtplacerede funktionærer i Kommissionen.
The situation will be changed because it is not representative of the electorate, of the taxpayers and indeed of the people of Europe, 53 percent of whom are women.
Det er min opfattelse, at Kommissionen, hvad det angår, indtager en meget passiv holdning.
Women attend schools and universities but they have enormous difficulty in reaching high office in the Commission.
Den kunne i det mindste insistere på en mere ligevægtig sammensætning af kommissionsapparatet. Herfor har den dog sikkert et selvstændigt ansvar — ikke blot i geografisk forstand — men også med hensyn til en langt mere ligevægtig fordeling mellem mænd og kvinder.
I would like this to be made perfectly clear to the Members of the Commission today — who have taken over their tasks from their predecessors — because, in Europe, the functions and responsibilities of women have always been considered complimentary.
Jeg vil derfor gerne høre, om kommissæren ikke mener, at Kommissionen dog har visse mulig heder for at få medlemslandene til at lade også denne faktor tælle med i deres udnævnelsespolitik.
It is truly shameful that this situation should have arisen in the Commission of the European Communities which has only been in existence for thirty years.
Contogeorgis, medlem af Kommissionen. — (GR) Importen af konserves og forarbejdet oksekød fra tredjelande andrager i 1980 119 000 t udtrykt i tilsvarende vægt af slagtede dyr.
Mrs Maij-Weggen. — (NL) I should like to draw the Commissioner's attention to two points and put two questions to him.
Kommissionen er ikke i besiddelse af oplysninger om, at denne import er foretaget til lave priser.
We often inquire about the reasons for which women so rarely reach high office.
I virkeligheden var den samlede import i det foregående år mindre end de forudgående fire år, hvor denne androg 150 000 t i gennemsnit pr. år.
I think that in the Commission's case one of the reasons — to which frequent reference has been made here — is that an age limit has been introduced for the recruit ment of new staff.