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Det er meget sjældent, at jeg tillader flere end fire tillægsspørgsmål til et bestemt spørgsmål.
It is very seldom that I allow more than five supplementary questions on any particular question.
Vi må videre med arbejdet her i Parlamentet og vil ikke forsinkes af denne form for diskussioner.
We have to get on with the work of this House and not be delayed by this kind of argument.
Spørgsmål nr. 5 af Israël (H-7/83):
Question No 5 by Mr Israël (H-7/83) :
Genscher. — (DE) Det bekræfter jeg.gerne.
Subject : Next meeting of the Council of Ministers for Education
De er med Deres spørgsmål fremkommet med et yderligere argument for en hurtig behandling af Genscher-Colombo-planen.
This is in accordance with the practice that we have been following for the last two years or year and a half in this House when I chair in Ques tion Time.
Jeg må i øvrigt sige Dem, at jeg i mit første svar blot erklærede, at dette ikke stod på dagsordenen for det næste møde.
This was agreed in order that we may get on with questions and get as many questions answered by the President-in-Office as possible.
Jeg har ikke sagt, at Rådet ikke snarest vil beskæftige sig hermed.
So I apologize, Mr Aigner, that I cannot call you by virtue of that agreement and hope that you will accept this explanation.
Vil Rådet af undervisningsministre, der skal mødes den 30. maj d.å., opføre spørgsmålet om undervis ning i menneskerettighederne i Det europæiske Fællesskab på sin dagsorden, og vil det i så fald få lejlighed til at behandle den betænkning om samme spørgsmål, som Europa-Parlamentet vedtog den 28. oktober 1982?
Will the Council of Ministers for Education meeting on 30 May include on its agenda the teaching of human rights in the European Community, and will it then have occasion to consider the report adopted by the European Parliament on 28 October 1982 on the same subject?
Genscher, formand for Rådet. — (DE) Spørgsmålet om undervisning i menneskerettighederne i Fælles skabet vil ikke blive opført på dagsordenen for det næste møde i Rådet af undervisningsministre.
Mr Pearce (ED) — Madam President, I have to challenge what you have said there.
Kommissionen har i øvrigt ikke forelagt forslag eller meddelelser herom.
Would you please tell us when this agreement was made, whom it was made by, when it was communicated to the House and whether, in fact, it is an agreement that you made with yourself ?
Simpson (ED). — (EN) Kan formanden for Rådet oplyse mig om, hvorvidt der foreligger planer om, at man på det næste møde i Rådet af undervisningsministre skal behandle spørgsmålet om" læreruddannelserne i hele Fællesskabet?
Mr Genscher, President-in-Office of the Council — (DE) The question of instruction in human rights in the Community will not be on the agenda for the next meeting of the Council of Ministers for Education.
Mener rådsformanden ikke, at dette er en skandale og at hvis lærerne kunne være mobile og undervise i andre lande, ville dette i meget højere grad samle Det europæiske Fællesskab?
Nor has the Commission submitted any propo sals or communications to this effect.
Genscher. — (DE) Det første spørgsmål om, hvorvidt dette emne vil blive behandlet på det næste undervisningsministermøde, kan jeg ikke besvare, da jeg ikke ved det.
President. — Mr Pearce, when I make an agreement with the House I do so first of all with my own under standing and intellect and comprehension of proce dural rules in order to get the best work from this House as possible.
Har De kendskab til denne beslutning, og påtænker De på et tidspunkt at opføre den på dagsordenen for mødet i Rådet af undervisningsministre?
They agreed it, and it was therefore at the wish of this House that I have been carrying out this procedure.
Hvad angår Deres andet spørgsmål, må jeg sige, at enhver indskrænkning i den fri bevægelighed er beklagelig, ikke blot for lærere.
Have you taken note of this resolution, and do you intend someday to include it in the agenda for the Council of Ministers of Education ?
Genscher. — (DE) Naturligvis tager Rådet alle Parlamentets beslutninger til efterretning.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) Naturally the Council takes note of all Parliament's resolutions.
Jeg har heller ikke sagt, at Rådet ikke er informeret, men at der ikke er forelagt os forslag eller meddelselser herom fra Kommissionen.
Nor did I say that the Council had no information, but merely was not in possession of the relevant Commission proposals and communications.
Alavanos (COM). — (GR) Først vil jeg gerne have lov at tage ordet for en kort bemærkning til forretningsordenen.
It is perfectly correct to say that at any time, any Member can challenge it and can object to it.
Nu vil jeg gerne stille hr. Genscher et relevant spørgsmål, idet han ikke udelukkede, at spørgsmålet om undervisning i menneskerettighederne i Det euro pæiske Fællesskab vil blive behandlet på Rådets næste møde. Eleverne, som skal tilnærme sig dette problem, vil gå ud fra egne erfaringer.
But I would point out to you, Mr Pearce, that under the guidelines and Annex of the Rules of Procedure, it is for the President to admit the admissibility of supple mentary questions and I do have a duty to the House, under the Rules of Procedure, to get as many ques tions answered as possible.
Hvis for eksempel de græske elever spørger, hvem der er skyld i, at menneskerettighederne blev krænket i Grækenland under borgerkrigen, eller hvem der er skyld i, at de krænkes i Cypern i dag, skal vi så svare, at Sovjetunionen eller Nicaragua har skylden?
If Members put down ques tions for the President-in-Office or for the Commission to answer, it is the duty of the President acting — as I am doing today — to get the best value from the Council while it is present in this House.
Ville det ikke være en ulovlig indblanding fra EFs side uden for traktatens rammer, hvis det indtager et bestemt standpunkt i forbindelse med medlemsstaternes behandling af menneskerettighedsproblemet?
I call Mr Pearce but I do hope you will not protract this argument now because we want to get on with Question Time, which is the task I have.
Hvornår agter Rådet at sætte sig i forbindelse med den græske regering, således at Europa-Parlamentet kan blive orienteret om farerne for presse friheden i Grækenland?
nation. Consequently instruction in schools on the significance of human rights and how they have been worked out in practice should be an overriding duty, and the Community authorities should do everything in their power to further its fulfilment.
Genscher. — (DE) Jeg tror ikke, at krænkelsen af menneskerettighederne er et spørgsmål, der bør besvares ud fra en politisk synsvinkel.
I would now like to put a relevant question to Mr Genscher taking into account that he has not excluded the possibility of the problem of the teaching of human rights in the European Com munity being dealt with by a meeting of the Council at a later date.
Vi bør i det hele taget vænne os af med ud fra politisk opportune synspunkter at spørge om, hvem der krænker menneskerettighederne.
The pupils who will have to approach this problem will commence from my own experiences.
Vi bør snarere konstatere, hvor menneskerettighederne krænkes, og dér bør vi sætte ind — uanset, hvem der krænker dem.
If, for example, Greek pupils ask who was to blame for the violations of human rights in Greece during the dictatorship, or who is to blame for the violations in Cyprus at present, shall we answer that the blame lies with the Soviet Union or Nicaragua ?
Genscher, formand for Rådet. — (DE) Det ærede medlems spørgsmål henhører ikke under Rådet.
Mrs Hammerich (CDI). — (DA) Mr President-inOffice, you said that you will not be dealing with Mr Israel's report in the Council in the immediate future.
Det enkelte menneske — i hvilket system det end lever — må sikres fuld overholdelse af sine menneskerettigheder.
Would it not be an impermissible intervention for the EEC, outside the framework of the Treaties, to take a position on the way member countries deal with human rights ?
Den ensidige betragtning, den enøjede betragtning, som vi desværre møder fra mange sider under behandlingen af spørgsmål om menneskerettigheder, skyldes netop, at man først og fremmest spørger om, hvem der krænkes.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) I am happy to answer that question in the affirmative. In asking your question you have provided a further argument for dealing with the Genscher/Colombo Acts as a matter of urgency.
Først dernæst beslutter man ud fra politisk opportune synspunkter, om det skal kritiseres eller ej.
However, I must also point out to you that in my first reply I said only that this matter would not be on the agenda of the Council's next meeting.
Menneskets værdighed er uafhængig af politiske retninger, og jeg tror, at hvis man tilslutter sig dette, vil man ikke have de problemer, som De åbenbart for øjeblikket står overfor.
We should get out of the habit altogether of seeing the entire question as to who is responsible for violations of human rights from the standpoint of political expediency.
Papaefstratiou (PPE). — (GR) Vi erkender Rådets følsomhed med hensyn til dets kompetenceområde, som for øvrigt er meget omdiskuteret.
No matter under what political system he lives, the individual must be able to ensure that his human rights are fully respected.
Imidlertid er beskyttelsen af pressefriheden et grundlæggende princip i de parlamentariske demokratier. PASOK-regeringen har på autoritær vis blandet sig i pressens anliggender lige siden den kom til magten.
The onesided approach that we often unfortunately encounter when questions of human rights are raised stems from the fact that the first question that is asked is whose human rights are being violated.
For eksempel kan jeg nævne, at tre dagblade er blevet lukket siden da, mens en af oppositionens aviser, »Vradini«, har været udsat for retsforfølgelser mere end 30 gange.
Mr Simpson (ED). — Can the President-in-Office of the Council tell me whether there are any plans for the next Ministers of Education meeting to discuss the question of teachers' qualifications throughout the Community ?
Er formanden for Ministerrådet klar over, at udgiveren af »Vradini«, Georgios Athanasiadis, blev myrdet for to måneder siden?
As things now stand, there are limitations on nationality for teachers in several Member States who restrict the teaching in public schools to nationals of their own country.
Ved han, at aviser er blevet forfulgt, fordi de skrev, at premierministeren besøgte sin læge?
Human dignity is completely independent of political allegiances.
Er der foregået forfølgelser af samme art i andre EF-lande?
With regard to your second question, I would only say that any restriction on freedom of movement is to be regretted, and that, not only in the case of teachers.
Derfor spørger vi Ministerrådet: Bør det ikke indlede forhandlinger med den græske regering angående beskyttelse af pressefriheden og de øvrige grundprincipper for flerparti-demokratiet i Grækenland?
It is not very often that we speak in support of the words or deeds of the British Conservatives, but we really do have an obligation to commend the manner in which you personally take charge of Question Time and to say
Tove Nielsen (L). — Rådsformanden var inde på, at vi har et værdifællesskab.
Mrs Tove Nielsen (L). — (DA) The President-in-Office said a short time ago that we have a Community of values.
Det er jeg meget enig i, og derfor er mit tillægsspørgsmål: Kan rådsformanden sige noget om, hvorvidt undervisningsministrene i rådsregie vil gøre en indsats for, at der virkelig sættes midler af, således at vi kan skabe langt bedre mulig heder for udveksling af såvel elever som lærere?
I wholeheartedly agree, and so my supple mentary question is : can the President-in-Office say something on whether the education ministers under Council auspices will endeavour to secure the allocation of resources to provide much better facilities for the exchange of both pupils and teachers ?
Skal den opvoksende generation lære noget om det værdi fællesskab, vi har, må den da også have mulighed for at se, hvorledes det fungerer i vore medlemslande.
If the rising generation is to learn something about the Community of values we have, it must also have the possibility of seeing how it functions in our Member States.
Genscher. — (DE) Hr. Papaefstratiou, Rådet har tillid til, at det græske parlament i tilfælde af indskrænkninger i pressefriheden gør brug af sine muligheder.
Thus we ask the Council of Ministers : Ought it not to enter into discussions with the Greek Government concerning the safeguarding of press freedom and of the other fundamental principles of pluralistic democracy in Greece ?
Genscher. — (DE) Jeg er fuldstændig enig med Dem.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) I agree with you entirely.
Jeg tvivler heller ikke på, at undervisningsministrene også ser sådan på det.
I would also have no doubts whatsoever but that the Ministers for Education will also see the matter in this light.
Netop denne del af spørge tiden viser efter min mening, hvor vigtigt det er, at vi giver vort Fællesskab videre til den efterfølgende generation som et værdifællesskab.
I feel that this part of Question Time shows how important it is that we should hand on to coming generations the image of our Community as a Community of values.
Der tales for meget om Europa ud fra synsvinklen markedsordninger osv., og derved går det ofte tabt, at vi primært forenes af vor fælles overbevisning om menneskets værdighed og nationernes selvbestemmelsesret.
Europe is spoken of too much from the standpoint of market organizations etc., and we often lose sight of the fact that the main factor by which we are united is our common conviction of the dignity of the human being and the right of all peoples to self-determination.
Formanden. — Da spørgerne ikke er til stede, vil spørgsmål nr. 6 og 7 blive besvaret skriftligt (').
President. — As the authors are not present ques tions Nos 6 and 7 will be answered in writing '.
Spørgsmål nr. 8 af Papaefstratiou (H-21/83):
Question No 8 by Mr Papaefstratiou (H-21/83):
Battersby (ED). — (EN) Efter det seneste, brutale attentat i Vradinis kontorer i Athen mod ejeren og redaktøren George Athanassiadis, mener jeg, at vi skal se meget alvorligt på den græske presses nuværende og fremtidige situation.
Mr Battersby (ED). — After the recent dastardly assassination in the Vradini offices in Athens of the owner and editor George Athanassiadis, I believe we must take the present and future situation of the Greek press very seriously.
Der verserer rygter om, at der vil blive indført love i Grækenland, der vil indskrænke og fastsætte det antal sider, en græsk avis må have og også fastsætte de priser, aviserne skal sælges for.
There are reports circulating that legislation is to be introduced in Greece restricting and fixing the number of pages any Greek newspaper may contain and also fixing the prices at which newspapers can be sold.
Jeg mener, at denne form for lovgivning ikke blot kunne tvinge nogle aviser til at lukke af økonomiske årsager, men også under visse omstændigheder kunne føre til en undertrykkelse af den demokratiske pressefrihed.
I feel that this type of legislation could not only force some newspapers out of business for economic reasons, but in certain circumstances could lead to the suppression of the democratic freedom of the press.
Mit spørgsmål er: Kan formanden bekræfte eller afkræfte disse rygter, og kan han, selv om jeg er klar over hans position, give sin vurdering af det ønskværdige i denne form for lovgivning?
My question is, can the President-in-Office confirm or deny these reports and, although I understand his position, can he give his opinion on the desirability or otherwise of this type of legislation ?
Pressefriheden er et grundlæggende princip i frie parlamentariske stater.
When does the Council of Ministers intend to establish contact with the Greek Government with a view to informing the European Parliament of the dangers to which the freedom of the press is exposed in Greece ?
Dette princip fastslås også i Rom-traktaten, som gælder alle EFs medlems stater: Fra begyndelsen af 1982 og derefter har man kunnet notere det sørgelige fænomen, at aviser, som i den politiske arena tilhører den nuværende opposition, udsættes for kriminel rets forfølgelse. Et typisk eksempel er avisen »Vradini«, som er kendt for sin kamp for at genindføre frie tilstande i Grækenland, og hvis
Mr Welsh (ED). — On a point of order, Madam President. In view of your ruling which I, personally, totally support, and since the President-in-Office has actually said that the Council has no competence in this matter, would you not be right in exercising your discretion not to call any more supplementaries, because, presumably, the gentleman cannot answer them ?
Welsh (ED). — (EN) Til forretningsordenen, fru formand.
Mr Papaefstratiou (PPE). — (GR) We know how sensitive the Council is concerning its sphere of competence which, in any case, is very much disputed.
I betragtning af Deres afgørelse, som jeg personligt går helt ind for, og da formanden faktisk har sagt, at Rådet ingen kompetence har i denne sag,
Does the President-in-Office of the Council of Ministers know that two months ago the editor of 'Vradini', George Athanassiadis, was assassinated ?
(') Se bilag II af 18. 5. 1983.
See Annex II of 18. 5. 1983.
Kyrkos (COM). — (GR) Kommunisterne har ikke haft lejlighed cil at udtale sig.
Mr Kyrkos (COM). — (GR) I will put a question.
Formanden. — De har ganske ret, hr. Welsh. Jeg har mulighed for at sige, at der ikke skal stilles flere tillægsspørgsmål.
possible for private citizens who are libelled not to lay charges against a newspaper in defence of their honour ?
Jeg mener derfor, at jeg må give ordet til hr. Plaskovitis fra denne side af Parlamentet.
Such being the case, of Vradini that is, does this constitute harassment or curtailment of the press ?
Formanden. -— Udmærket, hr. Kyrkos, De kan stille et spørgsmål — et spørgsmål, ikke fremkomme med en udtalelse.
President. — Alright, Mr Kyrkos, you may put a question — a question, not a statement.
Dernæst vil jeg anmode hr. Delatte om at stille et spørgsmål for de liberale.
Then I will ask Mr Delatte to put a question from the Liberals.
Kyrkos (COM). — (GR) Jeg vil bede om lov til at stille to meget korte spørgsmål.
Mr Kyrkos (COM). — (GR) I request you to allow me two short questions.
Vil formanden opfordre medlemmerne til at undlade at forsøge at overføre en mislykket opposition til Europa-Parlamentet, en opposition, som ikke har genklang i Grækenland, idet de på denne måde kompromitterer både Europa-Parlamentet og deres parti?
Firstly, could the President-in-Office advise colleagues not to try to transport into the European Parliament a failed opposition which finds no echo in Greece, because in doing so they harm both the European Parliament and their own faction ?
Jeg vil endvidere spørge ministeren — naturligvis inden for rammerne af hans begrænsede beføjelser — i hvilken forstand det er muligt at svare på spørgsmål angående en lov, som ikke er vedtaget af det græske parlament, eller angående mordet på en avisejer, som er fuldt ansvarlig for, at avisen er blevet retsforfulgt, og der afholdes forhør i overensstemmelse med mit lands straffelove?
I would also like to ask the Minister — within the context, of course, of his limited degree of competence — in what sense it is possible for a reply to be given on matters relating to a law that has not been enacted by the Greek Parliament or which concern the assassination of a newspaper owner when efforts are being made to find the person or persons responsible and investigations are being carried out in accordance with the penal law of my country ?
For det andet, vil formanden opfordre hr. Battersby, som taler fejlfrit græsk, til at læse de græske aviser lidt bedre?
Secondly, could the President-in-Office recommend Mr Battersby, who speaks fluent Greek, to make a better job of reading the Greek newspapers ?
Genscher. — (DE) Jeg kan principielt kun tage stilling for Rådet til de spørgsmål, som Rådet har dannet sig en mening om.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) As a matter of principle I can state the Council's view only on questions on which the Council has actually formed an opinion.
Om alle de foreliggende spørgsmål har det ikke dannet sig nogen mening, og det skyldes ikke, at det ikke har interesseret sig for dem, men fordi de ikke falder under dets kompetence.
On all the questions that have been asked just now the Council has not formed any opinion, not because it takes no interest in these matters but because they do not fall within its competence.
Genscher. — (DE) Til det første spørgsmål: Jeg er ikke berettiget til at give Parlamentet råd.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) With regard to the first ques tion, I do not have the right to give advice to Parliament.
Til det andet spørgsmål: Det er helt op til det enkelte medlem selv at afgøre, hvor stort vedkommendes behov for oplysninger er.
With regard to the second question, it is the sovereign right of each and every Member to decide for himself how much information he needs.
Formanden. — Da jeg nu har tilladt tillægsspørgsmål fra begge sider af Parlamentet, går vi videre til næste spørgsmål.
President. — As I have now taken supplementaries from both sides of the House, we will now go on to the next question.
Kyrkos (COM). — (GR) Der er endnu en part, som ikke har haft ordet.
Mr Kyrkos (COM), that has not spoken.
Delatte (L). — (FR) Jeg vil ikke stille er teknisk spørgsmål.
Mr Delatte (L). — (FR) I will not ask any technical questions.
Jeg ville blot spørge formanden, om han ikke anser det for hensigtmæssigt at gøre den græske regering opmærksom på nødvendigheden af, at man respekterer pressefriheden, hvilket man altid har forsvaret her i Parlamentet, og jeg tror, at det måske ville være ønskeligt at gøre det, inden formandskabet overtages af Grækenland.
I would simply like to ask the President-in-Office whether he does not think it necessary to call the attention of the Greek government to the need to respect freedom of the press, something that has always been upheld here in this Parliament ; and I think it would perhaps be desirable to do this before Greece takes over the presidency.
Genscher. — (DE) Jeg er helt sikker på, at den græske regering med den opmærksomhed, alle regeringer i medlemsstaterne viser forhandlingerne i Europa-Parlamentet, allerede er opmærksom på problemet.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) Given the attention paid by all Member State governments to the deliberations of the European Parliament, I am quite sure that the Greek government can also claim that it gives the very same measure of attention.
Formanden har givet tre svar til forskellige sider af Parlamentet — på spørgsmål fra den socialistiske gruppe, fra PPE-gruppen og fra den europæiske demokratiske gruppe.
The President-in-Office has replied three times to different parts of this House — to questions from the Socialist Group, from the EPP and from the European Democrats.
Formanden. — Så er jeg også nødt til at tillade et spørgsmål fra den liberale og demokratiske gruppe.
President. — Then I shall also have to allow a ques tion from the Liberal and Democratic Group.
Hvis De ønsker det, kan vi fortsætte med de samme
If you want, we can go on with the same questions with the same answer from the Council.
Alavanos (COM). — (GR) Det forekommer mig, at der her er dukket et alvorligt problem op i forbindelse med forretningsordenen, idet formanden svarer, at dette spørgsmål ikke falder inden for Rådets beføjelser.
Mr Alavanos (COM). — (GR) I think an important point of order has arisen because the reply given by the President-in-Office does not fall within the Coun cil's field of competence. The question was put, however, by the chairman of a parliamentary committee.
Men dette spørgsmål er stillet af en formand for et af Europa-Parlamentets udvalg.
Ought not the chairman of this parliamen tary committee at least be cognizant of the Council's field of competence, and, if he is thus cognizant, not seek to go beyond it for the sake of meddling in the internal affairs of our country via the European Parliament ?
Burde formanden for dette parlamentsudvalg ikke i det
Mr Kyrkos (COM). — (GR) The Communists have not been given the opportunity to speak.