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Hr. formand, til en god debat hører meningsforskelle, og for at kunne debattere må man være enige, siger en gammel fransk talemåde.
Mr President, according to an old French saying, there must be differences of opinion for a good debate and, to permit a debate, there must be agreement.
Det forbavser mig nemlig ikke, at der i dag har været talere, der har udtalt sig imod den generelle løsningsmodel, som foreslås i betænkningen, eller imod bestemte aspekter af Kommissionens politik.
I was not surprised this morning to find many speakers opposed to the general approach proposed in the report or to certain aspects of the Commission's policy.
Kommissionen har naturligvis — det forventer Parlamentet også — ret til at for svare sig, og jeg vil så blandt andre henvende mig til fru Castle.
The Commission has the right, of course, to defend itself, and Parliament would expect it do so.
Mødet tirsdag den 16. juni 1981
Sitting of Tuesday, 16. June 1981
Og jeg vil gerne forsikre Dem om, at Kommissionen både i dette og i andre tilfælde samvittighedsfuldt vil udøve sin funktion som vagthund i henhold til traktaten.
And I can assure you that in these and other cases the Commission wil) be scrupulous in performing the watchdog function conferred on it by the Treaty.
Vi vil ofte gø, men vil heller ikke vige tilbage for om nødvendigt at slå stærkt til.
We shall bark frequently, but we shall not shrink from giving a sharp bite wherever it proves necessary.
Jeg vil her tilføje, at der i Kommissionen også er sket forbedringer i fremgangsmåderne for at kunne reagere mere vågent på disse sager.
I should add that improvements have also been made to the procedures in the Commission to enable a quicker reaction in such cases.
Jeg vil endnu en gang udtrykkeligt gentage, hvad jeg allerede har sagt tidligere: brug af nationale foranstaltninger er ikke noget reelt alternativ til virkeliggørelsen af målene i artikel 39 i EØF-traktaten.
Once again I would stress what I have already said: resorting to national measures is no real alternative to the achievement of the objectives set out in Article 39 of the EEC Treaty.
En god liberal snak fra hans mund. Jeg vil dog klart fastslå, at anvendelsen af medansvarsordningen efter min mening aldrig må antage form af differentierede priser alt efter landbrugspolitikkens omfang.
that the British Prime Minister is happy that she is involved in debates here rather than in the House of Commons.
Hr. formand, hr. Woltjer fremsatte en række interessante bemærkninger om kvanta og kvoter.
This does nothing to alter the fact that I totally disagree with the suggestions made in her Amendment No 113.
Og måske gengiver det latinske udtryk ikke altid nøjagtigt det, der menes.
That would mean our spending far more, not less, on our agricultural policy.
Jeg vil hellere tale om produktionsmål, og jeg tror også, at det er det, der menes i sir Henrys betænk ning.
It would therefore be directly opposed to the objective of the financial renationalization of the agricultural policy, one of the aspects of the reforms being discussed.
Det vigtige er, at vi har nogen idé om størrelsen af den landbrugsproduktion, der er nødvendig for Europa, med andre ord om til hvilken produktions mængde vi kan tillade os at give fuld prisgaranti.
In my view, it also runs counter to the opinion of the majority in this Parliament. ment.
Overskrides denne mængde, så vil og kan vi ikke standse produktionen, men bedre sikre, at de yderligere afsætningsomkostninger ikke afholdes for fællesskabsbudgettets regning, men bæres af en medansvarsafgift eller enkelte andre formindskelser af en form for garanti.
Nevertheless, we must endeavour to keep Guarantee expenditure under control, not as an aim in itself but as a further means of progressively releasing more resources for structural policy measures.
Vi er af den opfattelse, at det eneste virkeligt, sunde grundlag for denne fælles politik er fælles mål på europæisk niveau.
From the point of view of market administration and cost control I regard this as a remarkable success.
I denne forbindelse fremføres udgifterne fra EUGFL's garantisektion som argument.
Mr President, Mr Woltjer made a number of interest ing remarks about the quantum and quotas.
Jeg tror, at det vil være urimeligt at fastslå, at de nordlige producenter betjenes bedre, fordi der gennemgående eksisterer en interventionsordning for deres produkter.
Although I was a diligent pupil when I was at school, I often find the technical jargon confusing.
I en ordning med efficiency payments eller særlige støttebeløb er garantien for landbrugeren ikke mindre.
And perhaps the Latin term does not always reflect exactly what is intended.
Forskellen består meget mere i fællesskabspræferencens virkning og i beskyttelsen ved den ydre grænse.
I would rather talk about production targets, and I think that is what is meant in Sir Henry's report.
Det, at der gives mindre ud til vin og havebrugsprodukter end til, lad os sige mejeriprodukter, anser jeg snarere for at være en fortjeneste end en fejl ved landbrugspolitikken i disse sektorer.
What is important is that we have some idea of the level of agricultural production required for Europe.
Dermed ser jeg ikke bort fra middelhavslandbrugets problemer.
In other words, up to what level of production can we afford to give a full price guarantee?
De rejser sig bestemt, og vi vil derfor også ved hjælp af almindelige foranstaltninger forsøge at finde en løsning.
If this level is exceeded, we do not want to, nor can we, stop production, but we can ensure that the additional market ing costs are not charged to the Community budget, but are offset by a coresponsibility levy or some other reduction in the form of guarantee given.
Jeg har til at begynde med allerede sagt noget derom, da jeg talte om nødvendigheden af en integreret løsningsmodel.
That is essentially what has to be done, and at Mr Woltjer's request I am quite prepared to establish whether quantifiable models can be used to throw any light in this respect.
Med henblik på en yderligere . udvidelse af Fællesskabet vil det bestemt også blive nødvendigt med mere specifikke tilpasninger af markedsordningerne.
There is a clear distinction between production targets at Community level — Sir Henry's quantum — and a quota system under which production is limited at Member State or farm level.
Kommissionen skal nok tage hensyn til problemer, der kan opstå i denne sammen hæng.
We believe that Community targets at European level form the only really sound basis for this Community policy.
Som svar på hr. Brøndlund Nielsens spørgsmål vil jeg gerne her tilføje, at Kommissionen kan tilslutte sig, at man ved formuleringen af produktionsmålene også må tage hensyn den fremtidige udvikling i spørgsmålet. målet.
In reply to Mr Nielsen's question, I should like to add that the Commission shares the view that, when production targets are set, account must also be taken of the future trend in demand.
Hr. formand, jeg lyttede med megen interesse til fru Barbarellas indslag.
Mr President, I should like to make two other comments relating to the budget.
Også vor løsningsmodel er en lang sigtet løsningsmodel.
We feel that this policy is in need of improvement, and this irrespective of the Community's budgetary problems.
Også Kommissionen vil imidlertid så vidt muligt føre en markedsrettet landbrugspolitik.
Secondly, and this in reply to Mr Tolman, Mr Provan and others, I can say that the Commission views sympathetically what has been referred to as a rural fund, designed to enable an integrated approach to be adopted towards the problems of rural areas.
Hr. formand, en række talere under denne forhandling har fremsat bemærkninger om de handelspolitiske aspekter af landbrugspolitikken, og det er klart, at vi må finde en ligevægt i vor eksterne landbrugspo litik.
Mr President, many speakers in this debate have commented on the commercial policy aspects of the agricultural policy, and it is obvious that we must strike a balance in our external agricultural policy.
For så vidt som vi har utilstrækkelige markeder i Fællesskabet, må vi udvikle en aktiv eksportpolitik.
Where markets are not large enough in the Community, we must establish an active export policy.
Vi kan dog ikke afskære vore egne markeder fra import.
But we cannot seal our own markets off against imports.
Fællesskabspræference betyder ikke, at vi kan lukke vore grænser fuldstændigt.
Community preference does not mean we can shut our frontiers completely.
I denne forbindelse udviklede hr. Louwes en række interessante ideer om GATT-aspekterne af vor politik.
In this context Mr Louwes put forward a number of interesting ideas on the GATT aspects of our policy.
Jeg vil gerne love ham, at vi under vore videre overvejelser vil tage hensyn til dem.
I can assure him that they will be borne in mind in our further deliberations.
Forskellige talere har været inde på de nærmere omstændigheder ved medansvarsordningen.
Reference has been made from all sides and by very different political groupings to the national support measures.
Allerede i vort dokument af december sidste år og i de seneste prisforslag har vi givet en række eksempler derpå.
As I said this morning, we must not overrate the magnitude of this problem.
8 millioner landbrugeres interesser vejer i denne forbindelse meget tungt for os.
Various speakers have referred to the procedures connected with co-responsibility.
Det er nødvendigt med tilpasninger af landbrugspolitikken, også for at beskytte deres fremtid.
The document we published last December and the latest price proposals give a number of examples in this respect.
Med Plumbbetænkningen, som vi for størstedelens vedkommende kan skrive under på — det har jeg på Kommissionens vegne i dag givet udtryk for — har vi en god ud-
Intervention prices can be lowered, intervention periods shortened or more stringent conditions introduced for interven-
vide, at de ikke er baseret på effektive produktionsenheder.
tion, quality and so. on. It all boils down to encouraging farmers to produce for the market, because in the end the farmer can get a higher price in, the market than from the intervention agency.
Alle disse små landmænd regnes ikke med, når man regner forholdet mellem omkostninger og indtjening ud ved prisfastsættelsen.
To this extent I therefore share Mr Woltjer's view on the need for the farmer to assume the responsibility that is rightfully his.
Det er ting, som efter min mening bør indses klarere af mange.
That is what.one would expect a good Liberal to say.
Hvis vi nedsætter priserne til et niveau, hvor lagrene for svinder, mener jeg, at det ville være ensbetydende med en økonomisk katastrofe, som ville få vidtrækkende konsekvenser for alle de involverede og ikke mindst for de 290 millioner forbrugere i hele Fælles skabet.
But I must make it clear that coresponsibility must, in my view, never assume the form of varied prices depending on the level of agricultural production.
Sir Henry Plumb, ordfører. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg har ikke behov for at føje ret meget til hr. Andriessens opsummering og skal derfor ikke hindre medlemmerne i deres afstemning.
Sir Henry Plumb, rapporteur. — Mr President, I need to add very little to the summary that Mr Andriessen has given,· and thus I will not keep colleagues from voting.
Men jeg vil dog alligevel først gerne have lov til at takke mange af mine kolleger for de udtalelser, de er kommet med i dagens løb.
I would, however, like first of all to thank so many of my colleagues for the comments they have made during the day.
Jeg synes, det har været en virkelig god debat.
I think it has been an excellent debate.
Jeg tror ikke, at jeg har hørt så mange rosende ord siden min bryllupsdag, og det er trods alt meget længe siden.
I don't think I have ever had so many compliments since the day I was married, and that now seems a very long time ago.
Fru formand, hr. De Keersmaeker stillede mig tidligere et meget konkret spørgsmål vedrørende punkt 52.
Indeed I am particularly encouraged by the amount of support for those, parts of the report that suggest very direct and positive changes, particularly the implement ation of better management of the market.
Han er i sin fulde ret til at stille dette spørgsmål, fordi man ud fra dette punkt kan få det indtryk, at vi her i Parlamentet gerne ser os selv som medansvarlige for markedet. Intet ligger mig fjernere.
Mr Sutra and Mr Woltjer particularly asked that this be gone into in greater depth and detail before implementation.
Hr. Sutra og hr. Woltjer har især bedt om, at dette forslag bliver undersøgt nøjere og mere indgå ende, før det gennemføres.
I thank those who have generally agreed with the philosophy I put forward in this report and am par ticularly pleased that so many have appeared to support the concept of a rural policy.
Det nærer jeg fuld for ståelse for, og jeg tilslutter mig det, de siger, for jeg mener, at der helt indlysende må finde en del drøftelser sted, før vi accepterer tanken om en sådan ændring.
They have attacked uncoordinated national aids and expressed support for a Community trade policy or an improved trade policy and the other measures indicated in the report, particularly on food aid and the major factors of energy conservation and so on.
Jeg vil gerne takke dem, som i almindelighed har været enige i de tanker, jeg har forelagt i denne betænkning, og jeg er især glad for, at så mange lader til at gå ind for tanken om en politik for landområderne.
A number of speakers have said that there is no balance between production in the north of the Community and production in the Mediterranean areas, and expenditure under the Guarantee Section of the EAGGF was advanced as an argument.
Hvad budgettet angår, står der i betænkningen, at regnskabsåret bør falde sammen med landbrugets produktionsår.
The difference lies in the application of Community preference and protection at the external frontiers.
Fru Scrivener sagde, at budgetudvalget ikke kunne gå ind for dette.
I am not over looking the problems faced by Mediterranean agriculture.
Hvis vi fik forelagt Kommissionens forslag ved årets slutning, ville hr. Andriessen løse nogle af vore problemer for os og på den måde hjælpe os over denne afvigelse.
In view of the possibility of a further enlargement of the Community, more specific adjustments to the market organizations will certainly also be needed.
Det håber jeg, at kommissæren vil tage til sig på dette møde.
The Commission will pay due account to problems that may arise in this connection.
Fru formand, jeg vil endnu en gang gerne have lov til at takke samtlige kolleger for deres indlæg i dagens løb.
There are thus two extremes, one wanting to change the policy radically, the other not, in fact, wanting to change anything.
Ikke desto mindre er jeg Dem, fru formand, og Parlamentet særlig tak skyldig, fordi man har givet os lejlighed til at drøfte mulige forbed ringer eller justeringer af den fælles landbrugspolitik med denne forsamling.
We attach very great importance to the interests of 8 million farmers in this. Adjustments to the agricultural policy are necessary, for one thing to protect their future.
Jeg håber, at denne betænk ning, hvis den enten bliver vedtaget i sin helhed eller delvis — men helst i sin helhed — straks kan blive viderebesørget til Kommissionen og Ministerrådet, så den omgående kan føres ud i livet.
The Plumb report, which, as I have said today on the Commission's behalf, we largely endorse, will provide us with a good basis. Parliament and the Commission are agreed — a good example for other forms of policy.
Fru Castle foreslog i morges, at vi skulle holde op med lapperierne og foretage nogle radikale ændringer.
Mrs Castle suggested this morning that we should stop .tinkering and make some radical changes.
Jeg har læst hendes ændringsforslag nr. 113, samtlige ni punkter, med stor interesse — det er formodentlig frugten af lang tids arbejde — og jeg har samtidig prøvet at foretage lidt simpel hovedregning.
Well, I read her Amendment No 113, all nine paragraphs of it, , with great interest — presumably it was the result of a long period of work — and I was trying to do a little bit of simple arithmetic.
Hvis hendes ideer blev vedtaget, ville det, så vidt jeg kan se, betyde, at Fællesskabets skatteborgere skulle yde dobbelt så meget til det samlede fælles skabsbudget, for sagens kerne er vel, hvem der skal betale de direkte indtægtstilskud, som hun foreslår — noget som man især må spørge sig selv om, når man tænker på de enorme summer, som ville blive påkrævede i de områder, hun især taler om: Fru Castle ville også gøre klogt i at betænke, at de velhavende stor landmænd, hun taler om, er de egentlige forbrugere af de gødningsstoffer, de brændstoffer, de foderstoffer og de maskiner, som fremstilles af de 22 %, som vi omtaler i betænkningen — med andre ord de mennesker, som arbejder i de industrier, der er til knyttet hele landbrugssystemet.
I reckon that if her ideas were adopted, then the Community's taxpayers would double their present amount of support to the overall Community budget, because the question is: who pays for the direct income aids that she-was suggesting, particularly in view of the enormous amount that would be required for those areas that she was particularly talking about? She might also consider that the large rich farmers she was referring to are basically the consumers of the fertilizers, the fuel, the feed and the machinery manufactured by the 22% we refer to in the report, i.e. those who are working in the allied industries connected with the whole business of agriculture.
Det skal selvfølgelig være mig en fornøjelse sammen med Kommissionen at give fru Castle et lille kursus i de faktiske kriterier, for hvis hun til fulde havde forstået dem, ville hun
I would, of course, be very happy, together with the Commission, to give her a little lesson to explain the objective criteria, because if she under stood them fully, she would understand that they are based on efficient units.
FØRSÆDE: SIMONE VEIL Formand
IN THE CHAIR: MRS VEIL recipe for economic disaster that would have longterm consequences for all concerned, not least the 290' million consumers in the whole of the Community.
Vi går til afstemning (').
We shall now proceed to the vote.1
Først har Castle for den socialistiske gruppe stillet ændringsforslag nr. 113/ændr. om at erstatte hele forslaget til beslutning med en ny tekst.
First of all I have Amendment No 113/rev. by Mrs Castle, on behalf of the Socialist Group, seeking to replace the entire motion for a resolution with a new text.
Sir Henry Plumb, ordfører. — (EN) Jeg er absolut imod dette ændringsforslag, fru formand, og jeg er sikker på, at udvalget også vil være det.
He has every right to pose that question, because that paragraph might suggest that we'in the Parliament see ourselves as co-managers of the market.
at Parlamentet må blive hørt!
Nothing is further from my thoughts.
Jeg støtter den protest, vi lige har hørt, for under sidste mødeperiode indtog hr. Dankert pludselig formandspladsen og meddelte, at præsidiet samme formiddag havde besluttet, at folk, der ikke havde deres kort med, ikke længere kunne stemme.
What I am really talking about here is maximum cooperation between all parties — the Parliament, the Commission and the Council of Ministers — so that we can consider together where we are going.
Det protesterede nogle af os imod, men vi fik at vide, at det var et magtbud, og at det ville være i kraft fra da af Nu optræder De som formand, og pludselig anvender De den gamle ordning.
The job of managing the market is a job for experts, and if we brought the whole Parliament into the management of the market, then I submit it would probably end in chaos. So I do not mean that in paragraph 52.
Derefter vil jeg bede Dem rundsende en skriftlig indstilling indehol­dende den dato, hvor den nye ordning skal begynde, så Parlamentet kan stemme om det.
Sir Henry Plumb, rapporteur. — I am totally against this particular amendment, Madam President, and I am sure my committee would be too.
For øvrigt vil jeg gerne sige, at selv om jeg finder mange af ændringsforslagene særdeles gode, ville det være betydeligt tidsbesparende, hvis jeg ikke behø­vede at kommentere hvert enkelt ændringsforslag, der blev sat under afstemning.
Incidentally, I should like to say that while I think many of the amendments are extremely good, it would save a considerable amount of time if I did not have to comment on each amendment as it comes up.
Hvis De derfor er enig, fru formand, og hvis forsamlingen er det, kan medlem­merne gå ud fra, at jeg ikke går ind for noget ændringsforslag, medmindre jeg tilkendegiver at ville tale om det. Det tror jeg vil spare en masse tid.
If you agree therefore, Madam President, and if the House agrees, Members may take it that I am not in favour of any amendment unless I indicate that I would like to speak on it.
Jeg er imod ændringsforslag nr. 113, fru formand, så meget jeg overhovedet kan være.
I am against Amendment No 113, Madam President, as much as I can be.
Formanden. — Fru Castle, hvis der er et strids­spørgsmål, er det slet ikke præsidiet, der skal tage stil­ling, men udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender.
On the question of the budget, the report states that the budgetary year should coincide with the agricultural marketing year.
Jeg vidste ikke, fru Castle,. at dette spørgsmål var rejst i sidste mødeperiode, og det er første gang, jeg har hørt tale om det.
Mrs Scrivener said that this was unacceptable to the Committee on Budgets.
Men faktisk var spørgsmålet et andet dengang: det drejede sig ikke om en afstemning ved navn, men om en almindelig elektronisk afstemning uden notering af navnene, altså med mulighed for overlagt eller uoverlagt misbrug. Det er ikke tilfældet i dag.
Well, I listened to what she said very carefully indeed, and while this paragraph was wholly supported by the members of my committee, we understand that it would require a change in the Treaty which would take some considerable time.
Efter vedtagelsen af det ændrede underpunkt (vii)
The point made by the Committee on Budgets, if accepted by Parliament, would fit in very well with the paragraph that is already there.
Forth. — (EN) Fru formand, jeg husker tydeligt, at under sidste mødeperiode bestemte De, at man for at undgå et kaos som det, vi netop har set, ikke ville acceptere mundtlig afstemning. ­ Jeg vil meget fore­trække, at vi er konsekvente her. Jeg mener, reglen skal være den, at de, der har stemmekortene, kan stemme, og de, der ikke har dem, må gå hen og hente dem. Lad os dog være konsekvente.
Mr Forth. — Madam President, I distincly recall that at the last session of this House you ruled that verbal votes would not be accepted in order to avoid the chaos that we have just seen. I really would prefer if we had consistency here.
Det, vi lige har oplevet, var fuldstændig kaotisk; vi ved ikke, om folk har stemt en eller to eller mange gange.
I think that what we have just seen here has been utterly chaotic; we do not know whether the people have voted once, twice or however many times.
Lad os få en ganske klar bestemmelse, og lad os så holde os til den: man stemmer med sit kort, eller man stemmer slet ikke.
Let us have the rule quite clear and let us please stick to it: You vote with cards or you do not vote at all.
Jeg forstår vel, at Deres embeds­mænd har stort besvær, nar de prøver at tælle, og jeg forstår også de vanskeligheder, der følger af, at folk går rundt i salen.
President. — Mr Forth, when you have a roll-call vote and the votes are recorded, that in itself rules out any possibility of double voting.
Men begge dele kunne undgås ved brug af det meget kostbare afstemningsapparatur. Hvorfor bruger vi ikke bare maskineriet?
Up to now we have always allowed votes that were not mechanically recorded to be included in the minutes.
Jeg forstår ikke, at vi ikke bruger det.
If now, however, the Assembly feels that those who have
Hidtil har vi altid tilladt optagelse i protokollen af stemmer, der ikke er afgivet elektronisk.
So, Madam President, once again I would like to thank all colleagues for their contributions during the day.