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Et interessant spørgsmål — jeg vil gerne slutte af med det — er spørgsmål nr. 3.
It is clear that the Commission has adopted several of Parliament's viewpoints and that we can cooperate very closely in these areas.
Deri anmodes der om, at der føres yderligere drøftelser om de punkter i Parlamentets ændringsforslag, Kommissionen ikke agter at følge.
The fact tht there are other points on which no agreement has been reached is something which we will perhaps have to debate else where.
Vi synes, drøftelserne bør fortsættes i tilslutning til diskussionen mellem Kommissionen og udvalget om sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse, inden Rådet af socialministre afholder det første orienterende møde. Mit sidste spørgsmål til kommissæren går ud på, om han kan love os i alt fald at tale med udvalget om sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse om resultaterne af direktivet.
I am referring, for example, to the provision contained in Article 4 (2) which relates to questions on cooperation with other undertakings or where, for example, in connection with the substantial modifications to the activity of the undertaking the word 'Unternehmenstätigkeit' has replaced the word 'Betriebszweck' in the German version although the latter term was used in the original Commission proposal and the Parliamentary decision.
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
Miss Quin (S). — Mr President, I would be delighted to do that.
Harris (ED). — (EN)) Et indlæg til forretningsordenen.
Mr Spencer (ED). — On a point of order, Mr President.
Der kan da ikke være diskussion om, at han får lejlighed til at besvare disse angreb.
I am sure that the Commissioner implied that when asking for information about this case.
Men nej, der har været drøftelser — det har kommissæren, jo også sagt — mellem arbejdsgivere og arbejdstagere.
President. — I note your question : it was not quite a point of order.
Jeg går ud fra, at drøftelserne har givet resultater og at Kommissionen har draget slutninger af dem og i overensstemmelse hermed har ændret direktivet.
However, as I see it, what has happened as regards the voting procedure is the decisive question.
Og derfor anmoder Parlamentet nu med rette om endnu en gang at få forelagt direktivet til yderligere drøftelser. Om lidt kommer jeg tilbage hertil.
That the employees should in one Member State enjoy an undemocratic right to delegate is not compatible with our fundamental democratic principles since, as far as I am concerned, democracy implies secret and direct voting.
Men for at undgå misforståelser vil jeg gerne sige, at vi ikke ønsker helt nye forhandlinger.
If it is possible in a particular country to circumvent this principle or adopt a different approach, fair enough.
Formadnen. — Hr. Harris, jeg har allerede givet officiel meddelelse om, at forhandlingen er afsluttet. Jeg har ikke fået nogen anmodning fra Kommissionen om at få ordet igen.
Mr Brok (PPE). — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, I do not think I need to stress in detail yet again that I personally and my Group as a whole regard this directive as necessary, since this point was, I think, made very clear last year in the work preparatory to the various decisions taken by Parliament, and there is no need for me to repeat the arguments we stressed in that debate.
Hord (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, såvidt jeg kan forstå, er dette en mundtlig forespørgsel med forhandling.
I find it intolerable, however, that Mr Peters should thank the Commission for not following the recommendations of this Parliament.
Det mindste, De kan gøre, er at anmode kommissæren om selv at svare på spørgsmålene.
In addition to this, we are going to have to deal with a large number of closures and redundancies, and workers should really be involved as much as possible in such decision-making.
Det er jo en logisk slutning på en kort parlamentsdebat.
In our opinion this is not handled satisfactorily in the text of this directive before us.
Formanden. — Hr. Harris, dette er tredie gang, De giver udtryk for, at det er presserende for Dem at yde kommissionsmedlemmet retfærdighed.
I should like to make this point very clearly partly as a member of a party which as far back as the 50s had a considerable hand in the genesis of a co-management Law, a law on the constitution of enterprises enabling employees to take part in the decision making process.
Jeg har ingen ret til at diktere, hvad Kommissionen skal gøre.
No, I do not think that is a point of
Formanden. — Jeg havde ikke forsædet da denne forhandling blev påbegyndt, men jeg ved, at dette spørgsmål blev behandlet i begyndelsen af debatten, og at det blev afgjort, at forsamlingen ønskede at høre hvad kommissionsmedlemmet havde at sige før forhandlingen blev påbegyndt.
We also regret the fact that the size of the workforce has risen from 100 to 1 000 By accepting Parliament's amendment for 1 000 employees, the Commission shows, as I said earlier, that it leans rather too heavily towards the conservative side, the right-wing side of Parliament.
Nu ønsker vi at få en redegørelse fra kommissionsmedlemmet både ved afslutningen og ved begyndelsen af debatten.
In other cases the Commission is capable of acting more independently of Parliament, but it has unfortunately not done so in this case.
Jeg har ikke fået nogen anmodning fra Kommissionen om en lejlighed til at komme med et svar.
It surprises me, however, that the Commissioner did not answer the written questions about this matter which was submitted to him.
Jeg har erklæret forhandlingen for afsluttet, og jeg agter ikke at åbne debatten igen helt uanset, hvad en række parlaments medlemmer måtte ønske.
He was, after all, asked how many companies this threshold of 1 000 employees involved.
Jeg sætter anmodningen om fremskyndet afstemning om Adams beslutningsforslaget under afstemning...
In last year's debate the Commission was also unable to say how many companies were involved in the threshold of 100 or 50 workers.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok.
Will the Commissioner tell us this time how threshold companies are affected when he sets the threshold at 1 000 ?
Beazley (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, efter afstemningen risikerer De at komme ud i alvorlige vanskeligheder, for forsamlingen har allerede stemt om dagsordenen og om, hvornår den skal stemme.
The questions tabled by Mr Plumb and others are of course now superfluous, because they were tabled on 7 July and on 15 July the commissioner produced his final views on this matter.
I. direktiv om samordning af love og adminstrative bestemmelser om visse former for virksomhed på det farmaceutiske område
Mr Eisma (NI). — (NL) Mr President, I am pleased to have also been allowed to speak.
Det er efter min mening forkert at ændre ved det, forsamlingen allerede har besluttet.
I found Mr Richard extremely aggressive in his answer and in my opinion his argument was wrong, because the Commission obviously needed the long period between November and December 1982 and mid-July 1983 to work out its position with regard to this direc tive.
Formanden. — Jeg er parat til at løbe den risiko at komme ud i de alvorlige vanskeligheder, De nævnede.
A question that remains interesting — and with this I want to conclude — is Question 3.
Jeg har allerede sagt, at jeg sætter anmodningen om fremskyndet afstemning under afstemning ...
It requests renewed consultation on those Parliament proposals which the Commission does not accept.
Quin (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, dette er virkelig et indlæg til forretningsordenen.
President. — The joint debate is closed.
Formanden. — Jeg kan ikke tillade at forhandlinger her i forsamlingen munder ud i det helt latterlige.
But no, as the Commissioner also said, there was consultation between the two sides of industry.
Jeg henviser til artikel 42 (5), og jeg sætter anmodningen om fremskyndet afstemning under afstemning.
And that is why Parliament is now quite justifiably asking to debate this directive once again and to be consulted on it.
om fremskyndet
I will return to this in a short while.
(ParUmentet forkaster anmodningen afstemning)
We now proceed to the request for a vote without reference to committee on the motion for a resolution by Mr Adam.
Forslaget til beslutning vil blive tilbagevist til det kompetente udvalg.
But I do now want to say, in order to avoid any misunderstandings, that we do not want an entirely new consultation.
Malangré (PPE), ordfører. — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer!
Nor do I believe that the Socialists want an entirely new consultation.
Jeg behøver derfor vel ikke mere føre dem ind i denne problemkreds.
This was said to be the case, but I thought it was a false accusation.
Kommissionen har arbejdet meget længe med dette projekt. Retsudvalget har udfoldet store bestræbelser i det spørgsmål.
We regret, of course — and this is a political aspect — that the Commission has leant rather too much towards the right-wing majority in the Parliament.
Harris (ED). — (EN) Jeg har ikke forretningsordenen foran mig, men jeg mener, at den giver Kommissionen ret til at anmode om at få ordet på et hvilket som helst tidspunkt under forhandlingerne.
Mr Harris (ED). — On a point of order.
Den bestemmelse, det drejer sig om, er nummer 66.
Mr President, there have been attacks made on the Commissioner.
Jeg mener, at det kun er retfærdigt over for kommissionsmedlemmet, at
Surely he must, in his own honour, have an opportunity to reply to those attacks.
Malangré tiske område i hele Fællesskabet: vi får herved en gensidig anerkendelse af eksamensbeviser og fri bevæ gelighed for alle ansatte apotekere.
Mr Harris (ED). — I have not got the Rules in front of me, but I believe the Rules give the Commission the right to ask for the floor at any time during our proceedings.
Vi opnår endelig herved, at allerede eksisterende apoteker i hele Fællesskabet kan overtages af alle, som er i besiddelse af fællesskabseksamensbeviserne.
I am sure, in fairness to the Commissioner, that we must give him the opportunity of defending himself under Rule 66 if he wishes to avail himself of this opportunity.
Vi tilslutter os også hr. Prags overvejelser.
Mr Hord (ED). — Mr President, as I understand it, this is an oral question with debate.
Dog var det på grund af tidsfristen ikke muligt for os at indgive endnu et ændringsforslag herom; da denne frist nu engang er nævnt i ændringsforslaget, vil vi stemme for det.
I think that the least we can expect of the Commissioner is that he would pay the House the courtesy of replying to the debate.
Efter min gruppes mening har Kommissionen dog et vist spillerum til at overveje, om der ikke bør sættes en anden frist.
President. — Mr Harris, this is the third time you have expressed your desperate anxiety to be fair to the Commissioner.
Det var heller ikke muligt at træffe bestemmelser om retten til fri etablering inden for hele Fællesskabet allerede på nuværende tidspunkt, da der gælder helt forskellige etableringsbestemmelser i de enkelte medlemsstater, som er uforenelige og til dels forankrede i traktaterne.
Mr Van Minnen (S). — (NL) Mr President, this is a rare case in which I can fully agree with Mr Hord, at any rate on this procedural point.
Det kan heller ikke forventes, at en eller anden regering giver efter på dette punkt.
Questions have been put to the Commissioner, and there was one a moment ago by Mr Eisma.
Vi har derfor heller ikke formået at gøre det måske ønskværdige, men det, der er muligt på nuværende tidspunkt.
The least you can do is ask the Commissioner if he himself perhaps wishes to reply to the question. That is a logical way to wind up a brief parliamentary debate.
Tyrrell (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, det glæder mig at kunne sige, at jeg er fuldstændig enig i alt hvad de sidste to talere har sagt.
President. — The next item is the report by Mr Malangré, on behalf of the Legal Affairs Committee (Doc.
Jeg ønsker at sætte dette direktiv ind i dets rette sammenhæng.
1-485/83) on the proposals from the Commission to the Council (Doc.
I forbindelse med spørgsmålet om overtagelse af eksisterende apoteker ville det absolut være muligt at der i lande med fri etablering via stråmænd oprettedes apoteker, som så allerede efter kort tid blev overgivet til borgere i andre medlemsstater.
President. — I was not in the Chair when this debate commenced, but I am aware that this was discussed at the beginning of the debate and it was decided that the House wished to hear from the Commissioner before the debate began.
Ved hr. Prags to ændringsforslag bliver der efter min mening sat en stopper for denne mulighed for misbrug.
Now we want to have the Commissioner's statement at the end as well as at the beginning.
Han foreslår at indsætte en periode på 2 år. Jeg må bede Kommissionen om at overveje, om dette tidsrum er korrekt, eller om der måske skal fastsættes et andet tidsrum.
I had no request from the Commission for an opportunity to reply.
Som ordfører finder jeg, at de to forslag fra hr. Prag absolut er i overensstemmelse med Retsudvalgets ' overvejelser og konklusioner, og jeg henstiller derfor til Parlamentet at vedtage dem.
I am putting to the vote the request for an early vote on Mr Adam's resolution ...
Fra Retsudvalgets synspunkt kan jeg ikke gå ind for forslagene, som er fremsat af det ærede medlem hr. Clinton.
I. a directive concerning the coordination of provisions laid down by law, regulation or administrative action in respect of certain activities in the field of pharmacy ;
Dette er endnu et skridt, ikke ret stort, men betydningsfuldt, henimod oprettelsen af et enkelt marked for tjenesteydelser.
Mr Beazley (ED). — Mr President, when you have taken the vote you might find yourself in dire trouble, because this House has voted already on its order of business and when it is going to vote.
Kommissionen ved lige så godt som vi, at der endnu er lang vej tilbage.
In my view, therefore, it is out of order to change what this House has already decided.
Den ved også, at udviklingen er gået meget langsomt. Jeg tror Kommissionen deler vor skuffelse over, at det er gået så langsomt, for på dette område drejer det sig næsten udelukkende om tekniske problemer. Natur ligvis kan tekniske problemer løses, dersom der er politisk vilje til det.
II. a directive concerning the mutual recognition of dipolomas, certificates and other evidence of formal qualifications in pharmacy, including measures to facilitate the effective exercise of the right of establishment relating to certain activities in the fields of pharmacy ; and
De ville betyde et grundskud for dette kompromisarbejde og ville indskrænke den frie bevægelighed.
President. — I am willing to take the risk of getting into the very serious trouble referred to.
De er egentlig heller ikke acceptable for mindst halvdelen af ' medlemsstaterne.
However, I have now already stated that I have put to the vote the request for an early vote ...
Apotekerfaget vrimler med sådanne tekniske problemer. På den ene side har man de ansatte farmaceuter, som har ret til at kræve en harmonisering af deres kvalifikationer, således at de er i stand til at benytte de rettigheder, de har, i henhold til traktaten.
Mr Malangré (PPE), rapporteur. — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, the matter before us has no partypolitical implications or encumbrances but it simply concerns hard facts which have long since been dealt with in the Legal Affairs Committee and the Commission.
F.eks. har fem af dem et geografisk fordelingssystem, hvilket vil sige en slags bevillingssystem, som spreder apotekere, hvor der er behov for dem, og fem har haft et fuldstændig frit marked.
Having dealt with the midwives, nurses and doctors and so on we can now finally round off the whole question of the medical professions by finally dealing with pharmacists too.
Denne form for organisation har givet alvorlige problemer ved udarbejdelsen af et direktiv for farmaci.
The fact that the volume of legislation is small permits a great deal of freedom of movement and the
Den socialistiske gruppe stemmer for dette kompromjs, som Retsudvalget har fundet frem til.
The motion for a resolution will be referred to the competent committee.
gelse i modsat retning. Retsudvalget har foreslået et kompromis.
As the rapporteur has just pointed out, this directive is aimed at really eliminating obstacles, albeit in a restricted area.
Imidlertid er det, når det drejer sig om etableringsfriheden, begrænset hvad vi kan gøre, fordi en medlemsstat har ret til at nægte at anerkende de harmoniserede kvalifikationsbeviser tilhørende en apoteker fra en anden medlemsstat, som agter at åbne et nyt apotek.
If these proposals for directives are adopted, this will mean harmonization of pharmaceutical training throughout the Community, and hence we will achieve mutual recognition of diplomas and freedom of movement for all persons employed in the pharmaceutical profession.
I øvrigt er hr. Prags ændringsforslag ensbetydende med, at man lukker endnu en smutvej, idet han heri indfører en definition af et nyt apotek.
It will mean, finally, that throughout the Community, existing pharmacies can be taken over by anyone who has obtained the Community diploma.
Nu er jeg imidlertid godt klar over, at min kollega hr. Clinton har stillet en række ændringsforslag vedrørende den irske EF-apotekergruppes protest, og jeg var ret skuffet over at høre hr. Malangré sige, at han ikke mente, han kunne acceptere nogen af disse ændringsforslag på trods af, at et af dem, såvidt jeg kan forstå, er magen til Prag-ændringsforslaget, som hr. Malangré er villig til at acceptere. Jeg vil under alle omstændigheder give min fulde støtte til Clintonændringsforslagene, og jeg appellerer til samtlige medlemmer af Parlamentet om, at de støtter ændringsforslagene fra Clinton og Prag, uanset hvor frugtesløs appellen kan syntes på dette tidspunkt, men til fordel for den irske befolknings sundhed og velvære.
The Socialist Group supports this compromise arrived at by the Legal Affairs Committee and we feel that, in view of the fundamental differences in the legislation governing the establishment of pharmacists in five Member States compared with the other five — a problem which it will in all probability prove very difficult to solve — the proposals put forward by the Legal Affairs Committee probably represent the best possible approach under the circumstances.
Prag (ED). — (EN) Mine kolleger, hvis der var mange af dem til stede, mener måske, at jeg allerede har talt nok under denne mødeperiode, men denne gang skal jeg ikke tage meget af Parlamentets tid, og det er rart efter de sidste par dages følelsesmæssige belastning at undgå polemik.
It has not, however, also been possible as yet to settle the question of the right of establishment throughout the entire Community, since the legislation in this area varies considerably from one Member State to another and in some cases the legislation is mutually incompatible or constitutionally protected.
Det glæder mig, at man har taget dette beskedne skridt.
However, for reasons of time, we have not been able to table an amendment to this effect and since this period has in fact been specified in the existing amendment, we will vote in favour of it.
Jeg lykønsker apotekerne med, at de, så vidt jeg kan huske, er den sjette profession, som har opnået denne frie bevægelse — til dels, i hvert fald.
Nevertheless, as my Group sees it, the Commission could well give some thought to the question of whether or not it should fix a different period.
Jeg ønsker at afslutte mit indlæg med helt generelt at sige, at jeg håber, at Kommissionen vil presse på for så hurtigt som muligt at gennemføre dette program til harmonisering af kvalifikationsbeviser.
I should like to make one point which is not directly connected with the debate, but which Dr Narjes will, I am sure, understand.
Som det allerede er blevet forklaret, har fem af vore ti medlemslande en geografisk fordeling af apoteker, og de andre fem har det ikke.
On the question of taking over existing pharmacies it would be quite possible for figure heads to set up businesses in countries with freedom of establishment only to hand them over shortly afterwards to citizens of other Member States.
De førstnævnte betragter apoteker som en offentlig tjenestegren og sørger for en vis beskyttelse mod oprettelsen af nye apoteker; de andre fem gør det ikke.
Abuses of this kind could, I think, be avoided by means of the two amendments tabled by Mr Prag who proposes a period of two years.
Lalor (DEP). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg er lidt bekymret over indholdet i både Malangré-betænk-ningen og Kommissionens direktiver.
Mr Tyrrell (ED). — Mr President, I am happy to say that I find myself in complete agreement with every word that has been spoken by the last two speakers.
Hvad angår mine ændringsforslag, ønsker jeg at påpege, at nr. 5 vedrører direktiv nr. 2 og ikke nr. 1, som det er trykt i ændringsforslaget og nr. 6 beslutningsforslaget.
However, I cannot, from the point of view of the Legal Affairs Committee, advocate the amendments proposed by Mr Clinton, for whom I otherwise have the greatest respect, as they would make this compromise come to nothing and afford less freedom of movement.
Heri defineres nye apoteker som apoteker, der har været åbne i mindre end to år.
Furthermore, they are in fact unacceptable for at least half the Member States.
Jeg behøver derfor
Of course,
Om denne egentlige problematik, som også ordføreren påny har fremstillet i sin indledende tale, har retsudvalget fremsat nogle vidtgående overvejelser, som jeg takker det for.
IN THE CHAIR : MR FRIEDRICH technical problems can be overcome if there is the political will to overcome them.
Kommissionen erklærer sig tilfreds med, at retsudvalget og dets ordfører ved slutningen af deres over vejelser deler Kommissionens opfattelse og er rede til at behandle gensidig anerkendelse af eksamensbeviser og harmonisering af bestemmelserne i forbindelse med åbning af apoteker særskilt.
Mr Lalor (DEP). — Mr President, I am a little worried about the content of both the Malangré report and the Commission directives.
Gensidig anerkendelse af eksamensbeviser er ikke kun et politisk men også et meget langtfristet arbejde.
The profession of pharmacy bristles with such tech nical problems.
Det første arbejde for apotekererhvervet begyndte, hvis jeg må minde Dem om det, på ekspertplan; 1964/65, altså for 19 år siden.
On the one hand, one has the employed chemists who are entitled to demand harmonization of their qualifications to enable them to avail themselves of their rights conferred by the Treaty.
Kommissionens nuværende forslag har derfor en lang historie, som ordføreren Malangré på prisværdig måde er kommet særlig ind på i sin betænkning.
Furthermore, selfemployed pharmacists are equally entitled to harmonization to enable them to capitalize on the rights of establishment which they enjoy under the Treaty.
Jeg kan affinde mig med bemærkningen om, at de foreliggende kommissionsforslag visselig er mere beskedne, end de forslag, som Kommissionen forelagde i 1969 og trak tilbage igen i 1972.
What has stood in the way in the pharmacy profession has been the different organization of that profession in the various Member States.
Formanden for Retsudvalget, fru Veil, har under udvalgsdebatterne rammende gjort opmærksom på, at fællesskabsretten sammenlignet med den nationale retsorden er en subsidiær ret, og at medlemsstaternes lovbestemmelser derfor kun skal harmoniseres og tilpasses i det omfang, det er nødvendigt for at gennemføre traktatens mål.
It is hardly necessary for me to say, therefore, how concerned I am, on behalf of the Irish pharmacists, at the possible economic effect of an influx of non-Irish, non-qualified pharmacists, without any realistic system of control, from those countries which do have such controls. It would require only a very small number of migrating chemists to stifle and, in fact, reverse, the limited improvement in this profession in Ireland in recent years.