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Det er karakteristisk for Europa, skønt vi aldrig har haft mod til at gennemføre det af os selv.
At the other end you have the full-blooded, disorderly and often explosive conditions that have grown up in Britain and to a lesser extent in Italy and France.
Tanken om hemmelige afstemninger, som er medtaget af Hr. Geurtsen, men ikke indeholdt i Kommissionens oprindelige forslag, er det centrale punkt for det hele.
The Legal Affairs Committee decided to search for a set of formulae which, with good will on all sides, could have a positive effect in the difficult countries such as Great Britain in bringing about an improvement in our industrial relations.
Det bringer os frem til en tredje overvejelse.
In Parliament we have to understand each other's pos­itions and problems in this particular matter.
Det er absolut nødvendigt, at man anerkender lønmodtagernes ret til information.
We can­not just forge ahead with what has succeeded in one country and assume it will succeed in the other.
Selv om det er påkrævet, at arbejdstagerne får medindflydelse og information, må det ikke gå så vidt som til at medføre en blokering af vort økonomiske system.
They are, in fact, an enormous applecart. This applecart has been carefully balanced and it must go through complete, otherwise we shall get nothing out of this directive at all.
Jeg appellerer derfor til medlemmerne af Parlamentet om i morgen at støtte Geurtsen-forslagene, navnlig forslagene i artikel 21a, som er skræddersyet til de britiske problemer.
My group is very grateful to the other members of the Legal Affairs Committee who have kept in mind the demanding circumstances that exist in Britain.
Jeg beder Dem indtrængende om ikke at gøre dette. Jeg håber derfor, hr. formand, at Parlamentet i morgen vil forstå, at hvis det støtter Geurtsen-forslagene, vil det starte en positiv revolution i Storbritannien, som vi alle ville være overordentlig taknemlige for.
It is easy for some colleagues to laugh, as I think I heard one do just now, but it is not so easy to laugh in Britain about a problem like this.
Jeg kan imidlertid ikke skjule de vanskeligheder, vi i vore respektive lande vil kunne komme ud for i forbindelse med det femte direktivs gennemførelse.
We have had great trouble and exertions in Britain trying to sell these proposals at home, it being extremely hard to persuade British industry that a European solution for industrial relations is a practical one.
Hvad aktieselskabernes vedtægter angår, har vi i Frankrig det monistiske bestyrelsessystem og det i 1966 indførte dualistiske system med en direktion og en kontrolinstans.
It was naturally very hard to get them at home to accept new ideas where they have such difficult prob­lems themselves.
Man må imidlertid fastslå, at det dualistiske system efter at have fået en vis udbredelse nu er i tilbagegang som følge af tradition og sædvane. Det omfatter kun 10 % af vore aktieselskaber.
We have been doing this for 2'Λ years at home, while Parliament itself was working through the committee, and I think we have been doing harder work at home on this than we have actu­ally done in committee.
Vi skal altså, dersom vi ønsker en almindelig udbredelse af det dualistiske system, gå frem med langt mere forsigtighed og også med større tålmodighed.
Let me tell you, we have been under great stress from people at home to provide a solution which they can accept, and they are doubtful about what we have done.
Og det samme gælder i lige så høj grad for arbejdstagernes medindflydelse i kontrolorganerne.
I am quite sure we shall succeed at home if we get these proposals, but it is not going to be easy.
Faktisk er alle på det rene med, at vi må have vore nationale aktieselskaber ud af det jerngreb, der hæmmer dem, så snart de ønsker at udvide deres aktivitet på fællesskabsplan, og på socialt plan er det lige så rigtigt, at vi ikke kan have anden rangs europæiske arbejdstagere.
It started off with a point of view which was very different, one which it had in 1972, but I believe that as it listened to our very long debates, it came to real­ize the importance of what we were trying to do in the Legal Affairs Committee by way of producing an effective and practical solution rather than something based on principles and formalities that have existed in the successful countries like Germany and Holland. I hope that the Commission will remain equally sym­pathetic now and after we have had our vote.
I Frankrig er organisationsforholdene imidlertid sådan, at der er fare for, at det femte direktiv vil blive vanskeligt at gennemføre.
If we adopt Article 21a, then I am convinced that we will get an improvement in industrial relations in Britain — I think the same goes for France and Italy and Ireland — that we could not otherwise get.
For det første fordi det store flertal, nemlig omkring 80 %, af samtlige arbejdstagere ikke er organiseret.
In other words, the European Parlia­ment could start a revolution in Britain if it went for something which was practical.
Det er disse to kriterier, der bør lede vore overvejelser vedrørende min kollega hr. Geurtsens glimrende ja, jeg burde sige fremragende betænkning.
Mr President, it would be a tragedy if tomorrow Par­liament got its vote wrong.
I første række bør vi tilstræbe en udvidelse af lønmodtagernes ansvar.
Then nobody in Britain would take any notice of this directive.
Mon det er nødvendigt at tilføje, at arbejdstagerne nu er ikke så lidt mere inde i de tekniske, sociale, ja, endog psykologiske problemer, end deres forgængere var?
We have this opportunity of improving affairs in Britain through the European Parliament in a very concrete way.
Det er ikke uden kvalitetsmæssig betydning, men utilstrækkeligt, når man tager lønmodtagernes antal i betragtning.
I would refer particularly to one aspect, and that is the requirement for democratic procedures which Mr
Det fører os til endnu en betragtning.
Our objective has been quite clear and simple.
Således er det absolut påkrævet at forbedre ledelsesopgavernes an seelse i vore virksomheder.
We sought to find systems of working in industrial rela­tions between shareholders and employees which are adapted to the history of each country but essentially equivalent in their effects, so far as employees' rela­tions with their employers and the relationship between shareholders and their employees are con­cerned.
Derfor er det da også en uomgængelig nødvendighed, at man i højere grad lader dem tage del i deres virksomheds økonomiske liv.
They work in some countries, they would not work in ours.
Det forekommer mig helt paradoksalt, at et bestyrelsesmedlem, der kun tilbringer nogle
Quite simply such systems would not produce order and harmony in Britain for instance.
Med andre ord skal vi handle med stor omtanke, samtidig med at vi skal forblive tro mod de i det femte direktiv fastsatte mål og uophørligt tilstræbe en harmonisk ligevægt mellem sociale fremskridt og økonomiske præstationer.
We therefore decided on the introduction of simple, democratic procedures for employee participation in representative councils in companies, with genuine
år gamle slagord er et foruroligende tegn på mangel på forestillingsevne, hvad der kan blive mere dødbringende for vor civilisation end noget andet.
Companies have to adapt their structures and their methods, recognizing that workers today are far better qualified than they were in the past.
Vié. — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, det er skik og brug, at man begynder et indlæg med at lykønske ordføreren, og det vil jeg i det foreliggende tilfælde gerne have lov til at gøre på en lidt særegen måde.
Geurtsen put in and which were not in the original proposals. I think it is the single most inspiring point about Mr Geurtsen's proposals that he requires democratic procedures for the election of employee representatives.
Man behøver nemlig blot at se på de dokumenter, som vi har til rådighed, for at fastslå, at Geurtsenbetænkningen såvel kvantitativt som kvalitativt er betydelig. Altså er det kun ret og rimeligt at komplimentere ham.
To many of you this is perfectly ordinary and taken for granted, but I have said again and again, particularly to the Socialists, that that is not the case in Britain and that to require secret ballots is itself a revolution in Britain where a show of hands has always been good enough — hasn't it, Mr Megahy?
Heraf følger, at ingen i forholdet mennesker imellem kan sætte sig på andre som sin ejendom, uden at der sker en ødelæggelse eller umenneskeliggørelse.
It is vital, therefore, that they should be made to participate more fully in the economic activity of their undertaking.
Kun broderskab eller kærlighed, man kan kalde det, hvad man vil, kendetegner virkelige menneskelige forbindelser i mangel af hvilke der kun vil eksistere vilje til beherskelse, magt eller trældom.
It seems to me to be a strange paradox that a company director, who spends no more than a few hours a month — or year — in a company, can be involved in highly important decisions affecting it, whereas even the most senior managers, who most often live for and whose livelihood depends on that company, are left out of the decisionmaking process.
Men lad os ikke optræde som engle.
Clearly, therefore, manage ment must play a more active role in the shaping of company strategy.
Det er rigtigt, at der inden for de økonomiske og sociale forbindelser tidligere og fremdelses i dag er set eksempler på magtvilje.
I would be very proud if, after tomorrow night, I could go back to Britain and say that the European Parliament required democracy in British industrial relations, that the European Parliament demanded it, a thing which nobody in Britain has ever yet dared do.
Man bør opretholde reglen og søge at tilnærme opfattelserne.
It is second nature to Europe, although we have never had the courage to do it ourselves by ourselves.
Det er jo helt klart, at dette emne hører til blandt dem, hvor de forskellige politiske gruppers legitime synspunkter og opfattelser kan komme til at stå i modsætning til hinanden, og vor ordfører har da heller ikke undladt med stor upartiskhed at afspejle opfattelsen blandt vort udvalgs mindretal.
This certainly must not be taken to mean that we could tolerate the emergence of shopfloor councils within our companies of a kind that could gradually lead to an effective sovietization of the undertaking.
For vor gruppes vedkommende vil jeg ikke påstå, at Geurtsenbetænkningen just vækker begejstring, men vi kan dog fuldt og helt give den vor tilslutning.
Whilst employee participation and the right to information are essential, we could not allow our economic system to be brought to a standstill.
Klassekamp er et misvisende begreb, fordi bekæmpelse af krig med krig er det samme som at retfærdig gøre krig.
I therefore appeal to the Members of this Parliament to support the Geurtsen proposals tomorrow, and most notably all those in Article 21a, which is tailored to the problems of Britain.
Og hvem vinder?
That is essential.
Det er kun en side af den utrættelige indsats, som vort Parlament i øvrigt gør for menneskerettighederne.
If tomorrow you vote against this, you will knock away a ladder which we could climb up in Britain.
På tilsvarende måde er det naturstridigt at gøre virksomheden til en slagmark.
President. — I call the Liberal and Democratic Group.
Den vækker ingen begejstring, idet det vel næppe er en hemmelighed for nogen, at vor gruppes franske medlemmer netop gør arbejdstagernes medindflydelse til det centrale punkt i en ny økonomisk og social organisation, der giver berettiget håb om, at man en skønne dag vil opleve, at konflikten mellem kapital og arbejde er endt på magasinet for gamle rekvisitter. Jeg omtalte vore franske medlemmer, men også vore irske venner deler i vidt omfang de samme opfattelser.
But it would be less than honest of me to pretend that there are not likely to be difficulties in persuading our respective countries to implement this Fifth Directive. Firstly, as regards the status of sociétés anonymes, we have in France the unitary system with one board of directors and the dualist system, introduced in 1966, comprising executive and supervisory boards.
Hvad medindflydelsen angår, kan man ikke sige andet, end at Geurtsenbetænkningen forekommer ret beskeden.
Today it represents no more than 10% of our sociétés anonymes.
Men den har vor tilslutning, fordi vi til trods for vore helt klare og urokkelige politiske meninger samtidig også er pragmatiske.
Accordingly, if we want the dualist system to be widely accepted, we shall have to proceed very carefully and also very patiently.
Medindflydelse er ikke noget der kan dekreteres, det er indlysende og ligger i selve udtrykket, medindflydelse muliggøres af mentaliteternes udvikling.
This applies equally to the question of employee participation in the supervisory organs.
Imidlertid må vi fastslå, at medindflydelsen nu som før — og i mit land i højere grad nu end før — således som vi opfatter den, langt fra finder tilslutning i arbejdsgiver- eller arbejdstagerkredse, og i endnu mindre grad i sidstnævnte end i førstnævnte.
Mr Donnez. — (FR) Mr President, we are all of us aware of the need for Community rules to coordinate the safeguards required of companies to protect the interests of both shareholders and employees.
Det misvisende og forældede klassekampsbegreb er mere levende end nogensinde, og i 1982 at gentage halvandet hundrede
It must be obvious to everyone how necessary it is for com panies in each of our countries to be helped to extricate themselves from the veritable legal morass which hampers their efforts to expand their activities into the Community and it is equally certain, on a social level, that we in Europe cannot entertain the notion of a second-class employee.
Når vi i øvrigt med glæde går ind for denne betænkning, er det fordi den er europæisk.
These two criteria must be the guiding light in our dis cussion of the excellent, not to say outstanding, report by my friend Mr Geurtsen. Indeed, our first concern
En tilsvarende kreativ forestillingsevne har man fyrre år senere vel kun oplevet i afdøde præsident Sadats gestus over fór Israel.
Now, the way things are with our trade unions, there is every reason to fear that the Fifth Directive will be difficult to implement in France.
Et godt indfald hvert fyrretyvende år er ikke store sager, hvis man skal redde vor frie verden.
Firstly, because the vast majority — some 80% — of workers do not belong to any union.
Hvem føler ikke i de tider, vi lever i, at det netop er mangelen på livsånd, mangelen på poesi i dette ords oprindelige betydning: skabelse, der truer vor vestlige verden med undergang.
Secondly, because the largest trade union, the Confédération Générale du Travail, is not reformist but nevertheless claims to be revolutionary and rejects, as it puts it, any class collaboration.
Lad det være sagt endnu engang, at Geurtsenbetænkningen måske kun er en lille sten i det store bygningsværk, som vi skal opføre, men det er en solid sten, og det ville være tosset af os ikke at bruge den.
Only the CGC, the trade union representing management, wants the right to take part in decisions. That is important for the quality, but no doubt disappointing for the number of employees it covers.
Hr. formand, endnu tre bemærkninger om direktivet.
to the old conflict between employers and workers.
Det vil efter vor opfattelse skulle gælde for virksom heder med mindst 100 arbejdstagere og ikke 500.
I say French members, but in fact our Irish colleagues are working on broadly similar lines.
Hr. formand, retsudvalgets udtalelse om sammensæt ningen af bestyrelsen kan ikke opnå vor tilslutning.
It is an inescapable fact that now, just as before, and in my country even more so now than before, par ticipation as we understand it is far from gaining acceptance among employers or trade unions, and still less among the latter than among the former.
Forslaget om til forskel fra kommissionsforslaget højst at lade halvdelen af bestyrelsen udpege af arbejdstagerne, og hvis situationen opstår, ved stem melighed at lade arbejdsgivergruppens stemmer gøre udslaget, forekommer os at begrænse de nationale lovgiveres frihed til at gå ud over kommissionsbestemmelsen.
The false and outdated concept of class struggle is being propagated with renewed vigour and to reiterate in 1982 the slogans of a century and a half ago is a disturbing sign of a lack of imagination which more than anything else could spell the death of our civilization.
Eisma. — (NL) Hr. formand, retsgrundlaget for dette femte direktiv er artikel 54, stk. 3, litra g), i traktaten. Heri foreskrives det at samordne sikringen af juridiske personer i medlemsstaterne og endog at gøre den lige byrdefuld.
Mr Vie. — (FR) Mr President, it is customary to begin by congratulating the rapporteur, but I should like on this particular occasion to do so in an original manner.
Det femte direktiv sigter derfor heller ikke imod at skabe lighed, men udelukkende lige byrdefuldhed.
It is therefore only right that we should pay tribute to him.
Til sidst, hr. formand, forekommer sammenlægningen af mandater i tilsynsrådet op til ti os at være det højst tilladelige. At lade muligheden stå åben for at tillade et større antal mandater pr. person er for os uacceptabelt.
Class struggle is a false concept because what separates the human species from the instinctive animal species is that in every human being there is a person endowed with reason, free will and the capacity for self-determination.
Det fører til en sådan sammenlægning af funktioner, og til at ingen af funktionerne kan udøves på tilbørlig måde.
It follows that, in human relations, no one can take another unto himself as his own without violating him, without dehumanizing him.
Et lignende fænomen mærker vi selv her i Parlamentet, hvor nogle har et dobbelt mandat.
Only brotherhood or love — call it what you will — have any place in genuine human relations.
Hr. Janssen van Raay påpegede også allerede dette, og det er desværre den eneste del af hans argumentation, som vi kan skrive under på.
It is a fact that in economic and social relations, the desire for power has been a factor, and still is today.
Det er en bebrejdelse mod Kommissionen, som kun forekommer sjældent.
Justice will not be served by class struggle but by respect for others.
De skulle ikke kunne have forventet andet af repræsentanter for et parti, der anser en grundlæggende demokratisering for et af sine principper.
The family is not built on a suicidal dialectic between husband and wife, but on the search for a basis on which to develop together.
Idet retsudvalgets flertal blandt andet går ud fra det argument, at bestemte medlemsstater ordner denne sag på anden måde, udtaler det sig desværre for en mindre vidtgående form for ligebyrdefuldhed i medlemsstaterne. En kombination af det monistiske og det dualistiske system betyder endnu ikke ligebyrdefuldhed.
It is an undeniable fact that the subject in question is one of those on which one might expect the views legitimately held by the various political groups to clash and the rapporteur, with great impartiality, has not failed to give space to the opinion of the minority within our committee.
Efter vor opfattelse udtrykker retsudvalgets betænkning et vist forbehold over for videregående former for medindflydelse, som camoufleres med tekniske indvendinger og anførelsen af socialpsykologiske uoverkommelige vanskeligheder i de forskellige medlemsstater med hensyn til indførelsen af det dualistiske system, og det selv om retsudvalget selv med så mange ord erkender, at mulighederne for kontrol fra arbejdstagernes eller virksomhedernes side er større i det dualistiske system.
The latter deplored the fact that Mr Geurtsen's text differs significantly from the Commission's proposal, that the exceptions provided for are scarcely consistent with a move towards genuine harmonization and that the exclusion of the multinational groups from the scope of the directive substantially reduces its value.
Jeg har desværre i morgen en række uopsættelige møder, ikke mindst repræsentation af Kommissionen på en FN-verdenskonference i Nairobi, som umuliggør, at jeg i morgen kan følge debatten i hele dens udstrækning.
The fact that in my country, and perhaps in others too, the town hall is called the 'maison commune' says clearly enough that the town is not a place for rivalry, but a place for harmony.
Jeg beder de damer og herrer, som først vil tage ordet i morgen, om overbærenhed.
Likewise it is unnatural for the undertaking to become a scene of battle.
Min kollega, hr. Andriessen, vil med opmærksomhed følge den videre forhandling.
Where our group is concerned the Geurtsen report, whilst not being embraced with enthusiasm, does how ever have our full support.
Narjes her blive hr. Geurtsen, ordføreren, til del, hvilket lige ledes gælder hr. von Bismarck og hr. Didò, ordførerne for de medvirkende rådgivende udvalg, nemlig økonomi- og valutaudvalget og udvalget for sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse.
Vie majority of the Legal Affairs Committee favours a less farreaching form of equivalence in the Member States.
Som De husker, forliste retsudvalgets første betænkning udarbejdet af Manfred Schmidt i 1979 på et procedurespørgsmål. Denne skæbne vil forhåbentlig ikke overgå den foreliggende betænkning af Geurtsen.
In our opinion the report of the Legal Affairs Committee voices a certain reservation in relation to farther-reaching forms of co-determination which are camouflaged behind technical complaints and the raising of socio-psychological insurmountable barriers in the various Member States regarding the introduction of the dualistic system and this notwithstanding the Legal Affairs Committee's admission, in so many words, that the possibilities offered for control by workers or enterprises are greater in the two-tier system.
Dens kvalitet er et resultat af den grundighed og fantasi, hvormed man under udvalgs behandlingen behandlede alle stridsspørgsmål og fremlagde nye løsningsudkast. Jeg er derfor sikker på, at vi i dag råder over et dokument, som vil gøre det muligt for Dem at træffe den endelige afgørelse.
The Legal Affairs Com mittee is postponing the real decisions by requesting a more detailed report from the Commission concerning the need for further harmonization.
være tale om medindflydelse, hvilket udelukkende skulle ske i form af arbejdstagerrepræsentation i kontrolorganet.
are being pragmatic — that we are working towards not a Europe of dreams but of realities.
Der var heftig modstand mod begge dele af disse forslag, ikke mindst i de lande, der tiltrådte i 1973.
One can trace back the beginnings of this Europe of realities beyond the Treaty of Rome to that historic gesture of Franco-German reconciliation instigated by Chancellor Adenauer and General De Gaulle.
Nødvendigheden af en fornyet drøftelse af den samlede problematik med alle implicerede viste sig yderst påtrængende.
We had to wait almost 40 years before coming across an example of creative imagination of comparable scope in the gesture of the late lamented President Sadat towards , Israel.
I den forbindelse frem lagde Kommissionen i 1975 den allerede her ved flere lejligheder omtalte »grønbog«.
One imaginative stroke every 40 years, what is that if we are to save our free world?
Den indeholdt en grundig redegørelse for situationen i alle medlemsstaterne og anstillede betragtninger over, hvordan Kommissionens forslag kunne gøres mere fleksibelt gennem et større antal valgmuligheder.
One has the. feel ing nowadays that it is precisely this lack of inspiration, this lack of poetry, in the creative sense, which is liable to bring about the death of our Western world.
Først det nuværende Parlaments retsudvalg forstod at udforme de juridiske bestemmelser herfor.
There is of course no lack of fertile minds when it comes to anything that might serve armed confrontation, but a singular lack when it comes to the freedom to live together in harmony.
Målet for os med denne større fleksibilitet var i højere grad end hidtil at tage hensyn til den historiske udvikling i de enkelte lande.
I repeat, the Geurtsen report may be only a small building block compared to the immensity of the edifice we are constructing, but it is a solid building block and we would be mad to throw it away.