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Også i Danmark er det ved at gå galt, ikke — heldigvis — så chokerende som i nabo landene, men dog har også vi grand til at være foruroligede.
Let us act together in a spirit of solidarity, for we know that this is a European problem and that we can only solve it by working together.
I Vestjylland, hvor man har dårlig kalkfattig jord, har man i visse plantager kunnet konstatere, at ca. 1 000 ha skov er gået til, fordi der er for meget aluminium i nedbøren.
We shall never be able to solve these problems if somebody always puts a spanner in the works.
Dog er formentlig en hård vinter og en tør sommer medvirkende årsager. Det formoder man i hvert fald.
We have, after all, outgrown the times when people believed it was possible for a country to get by in splendid isolation, and that will be even less possible in future.
Amerikanerne og kanadierne har i lang tid hentet råd ved dette institut i Göttingen, og de videnskabsmænd, som anvender dette råd til udforskning af skovdøden og den sure regn i de respektive lande, har haft succes med det.
But I believe that a programme such as is proposed here is absolutely vital. The Liberal and Democratic Group will there fore support this report, in which acid rain is mooted as the cause of the death of the forests and damage to millions of hectares of woodland.
Over en 10-årig periode fra 1983 til 1993 vil Kommissionen nedsætte svovludslippet med 30 % i forhold til den mængde, der slap ud i 1980.
We have tabled a few amendments which we believe might improve the report.
Det er nok ikke de mest ønskværdige tal, men det kunne dog hjælpe lidt.
But we are also pleased to confirm that we can back this report.
Vi kan ikke give det bort, som 17 års forskning har frembragt.
It is basic research of the best kind.
Vi må gøre noget, men vi kan ikke tillade os at gøre noget forkert i dette program, kun det rigtige.
Perhaps in some legal respects it could have been expressed more coherently, but we hope that it will prove to be a basis for joint decisions, so that at long last we shall manage better in future to protect mankind from largescale air pollution.
Vi støtter Muntingh-betænkningen.
It is true that in Europe, the United States and Canada the damage is so great that it can and will affect the ecological balance of nature.
Dog har vi ligesom hr. Muntingh selv en vis reservation over for et enkelt punkt, hvor man hævder, at udbygning af atomkraft kan mindske problemet med sur nedbør.
It is also true that the activities of the European Parliament mentioned in this report have so far been relatively unsuccessful, because the Council of Ministers was repeatedly unable to reach.
Efter min mening er det ikke nogen god idé at bekæmpe et onde med et muligvis endnu større onde.
It is also true that we can only tackle and solve this problem across national frontiers.
Nyborg (DEP). — Hr. formand, i dag sner det, og det ser jo vældig pænt og rart ud, men vi må nok konstatere, at også det kan give anledning til bekymring, fordi sneen Og regnen ikke kommer ren ned, men er fyldt med giftstoffer af forskellig art.
Mr Sherlock (ED). — Mr President, this valuable report by the Committee on the Environment, presented by its dilligent rapporteur, will receive almost total acceptance from the members of my group.
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It is a worthy project in every way.
Hr. Muntinghs udtømmende betænkning begrunder hvorfor.
In my opinion, however, it is a false assumption that acid rain alone is responsible for the death of the förests.
Var der nogen særlig grund til, at det ikke blev gjort på det tidspunkt?
This institute produced the first results of research on measures to combat acid rain.
Må jeg også anmode om Deres forsikring om, at budgetkontroludvalget i fremtiden enten begrænses til at holde sig inden for sit eget sags område, eller at det kompetente, specialiserede udvalg i det mindste anmodes om en udtalelse?
Since 1966, this modern, integrated ecosystem has engaged the attention of soil scientists, botanists, forestry managers, agricultural scientists, meteorologists, microbiologists, zoologists and forestry research stations, all working in cooperation.
På det tidspunkt vil man have stemt om denne betænkning, og det vil være for sent. Jeg vil derfor gerne have, at den bliver sendt tilbage til udvalget, og at der bliver anmodet om en udtalelse fra energi, forsknings- og teknologi udvalget — selv om det blot er en hurtig mundtlig udtalelse.
This institute has available data which is unrivalled anywhere in the world, and one decisive factor is that it is expanding its research work considerably and buiding up a programme such as we propose, based on this kind of scientific research.
Purvis (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, i artikel 94, stk. 3 står:
Not all the destruction that it causes is equally visible.
Såby (S), ordfører. — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg tror, at vore kolleger begår en fejl, for hvad angår budget kontroludvalgets kompetence har Parlamentet accepteret, at dette udvalg under godkendelsesproceduren foretager den regnskabsmæssige og politiske vurdering af resultaterne af en aktion og træffer de nødvendige forholdsregler.
It is five minutes to twelve, and we Liberals have considered the motion that DM 12 million of the 1984 budget should be allocated to research into the death of the forests and acid rain on the under standing that research in this field should be promoted as a matter of priority at European level.
Dette udvalg har således vedtaget Wettig-betænk-ningen om landbrugsproblemerne under godkendelsesproceduren samt mange andre betænkninger.
There is scarcely another site in the world where so many results have been produced during the past 17 years in the field of ecosystem research.
Ellers kan der ske det, som er sket her, at vi deltager i et plenarmøde og pludselig finder en betænkning, som vi ikke engang vidste havde forbindelse med vort område.
It would be too expensive to set up new institutes, and only by developing what we have learnt up till now will we avoid duplicating research work.
Så dette er en betænkning, som absolut henhører under budgetkontroludvalgets kompetence, og som er udarbejdet på grundlag af flere regnskabsår, og skal ikke — ellers ville det være umuligt at arbejde i dette Parlament — systematisk henvises til udvalgsbehandling, så meget mere som der i denne betænkning er foretaget en meget objektiv sammenfatning af energiog forskningsudvalgets arbejde.
For some time now the Americans and Canadians have been consulting this institute in Göttingen for advice, and scientists who use this advice for their own research on the death on the forests and acid rain in their own countries have met with success.
Formanden. — Hr. Purvis, bestemmelserne er, som de er, men jeg vil gerne generelt sige, at når præsidiet bestemmer, hvem der skal udarbejde betænkningerne, er det umuligt for præsidiet på det tidspunkt at vide nøjagtigt, hvad der er hvad.
Through European Community regulations we can ensure that demands for action are intensified internationally, and thus that our record improves in relation to that of other countries.
Det er med andre ord en mere direkte involveret autoritet inden for Parlamentets administration, der bør tage det ansvar, da det er umuligt for præsidiet at læse alle første betænkninger for at se, hvilke udvalg der bør inddrages.
What is the position in the Eastern European and other Western European countries ?
Jeg tror, det er den eneste måde at løse problemet på.
In Southern Norway, the situation is even worse, in that there 80 % of the lakes have no life in them any more.
Walz (PPE), formand for energi, forsknings- og teknologiudvalget. — (DE) Hr. formand, vi ville slet ikke have noget imod at gå frem på samme måde som hr. Såby.
In Denmark, too, things are beginning to go wrong, although not — fortunately — so terribly wrong as in our neighbouring countries, but we too have good reason to be alarmed.
Men vi har noget imod, at vort udvalg over hovedet ikke blev spurgt, selv om det er et emne, der falder ind under vort kompetenceområde, og selv om, som jeg har hørt, at hr. Såby mener, at han har sat sig i forbindelse med os.
In West Jutland, where the earth is poor and deficient in lime, it has been noted that in some plantations about 1 000 hectares of forest have been destroyed because there is too much aluminium in the precipitation.
Dette er desværre ikke sket, og derfor må vi insistere på, da det er et område under vort udvalg, at vi i det mindste konsulteres.
However, the hard winter and dry summer may also be contributory causes. This has been suggested, anyway.
Jeg har ladet mit sekretariat kontrollere det endnu en gang: vi har ikke hørt noget fra Dem.
What is good enough for the Americans should be good enough for us.
Det er utilstedeligt i et sådant tilfælde.
We cannot give away the results of 17 years research.
De skulle have anmodet om en udtalelse fra os.
We must do something but we cannot afford to take wrong decisions in this programme we must do the right thing.
Purvis (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne have lov til at spørge Dem personligt, da denne betænkning formodentligt blev henvist af præsidiet direkte til
Over the 10-year period from 1983 to 1993 the Commission wants to reduce sulphur discharges into the air by 30 % compared with the amounts released in 1980.
Aigner (PPE), formand for budgetkontroludvalget. — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg skal ikke forhale drøftelsen, men jeg er nødt til at tage ordet, for at afvise beskyldningen om, at udvalget har overskredet sin kompetence.
Mr Nyborg (DEP). — (DA) Mr President, today it is snowing and everything looks beautiful outside, but we are reminded, too, that snow can be a cause for concern, since snow and rain are not pure when they fall but are full of poisons of various kinds.
Aigner beklager det, der er sket.
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Og her foreligger der modstridende tal.
Was there any particular reason why that was not done at the time ?
Men oftest drejer det sig om undersøgelser, der er udført af »den anden part« f.eks. af energiproducenter og af de industrier, som bevirker forureningen.
Could I also ask for your assurance that in future the Committee on Budgetary Control will either be confined to its own terms of reference or else that the competent, specialized committee will at least be asked for an opinion ?
Jeg vil ikke tilføje ret meget til det, mine kolleger allerede har sagt.
By that time the report will have been voted on and it will be too late.
Jeg vil dog understrege min bitterhed over ikke at have kunnet fremsætte ændringsforslag, eftersom den endelige tekst på uforklarlig vis først blev forelagt mig på et meget sent tidspunkt.
So I would like it to be referred back to committee and the opinion of the Committee on Energy, Research and Technology asked for — even if it is only a quick verbal opinion.
Formanden. — Ikke helt, hr. Beazley, for der er også paragraf 101 — jeg synes vi har for mange paragraffer.
President. — Mr Purvis, I can only say that with owninitiative reports the Bureau only decides whether or not such an owninitiative report should be allowed.
I paragraf 101 står: »Hvis det udvalg, som først har fået forelagt et spørgsmål, vil indhente et andet udvalgs udtalelse, eller hvis et andet udvalg ønsker at afgive en udtalelse om det første udvalgs betænkning, kan det anmode Parlamentets formand om, at det ene udvalg udpeges til korresponderende udvalg og det andet til medvirkende rådgivende udvalg i overensstemmelse med artikel 94, stk. 3«.
The question of asking opinions of other committees should be resolved by the committees themselves, and coordination should be such that if the Committee on Budgetary Control is drawing up a report which deals with energy, it should be automatic that the Committee on Energy, Research and Technology can give an opinion.
Det er det jeg foreslog, og jeg tror ikke, det er i modstrid med forretningsordenen. Det er en fortolkning.
I think the procedure should work better than it has done in this case.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er forhandling om betænkningen af Muntingh om bekæmpelse af sur nedbør.
It was this committee therefore which voted through Mr Wettig's report on agricultural problems during the discharge procedure, and also a lot of other reports.
Squarcialupi (COM). — (LT) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne sige, at Europa-Parlamentet med denne beslutning tager et vigtigt skridt på området miljøbeskyttelse.
I think the only people in a position to decide that are the Bureau, when they are giving approval for an owninitiative report, and may I ask that at that point the Bureau should consider whether other committees should be asked for their opinion.
Jeg er taknemmelig over for alle de kolleger, som har fremsat beslutningsforslag på dette område, og især over for hr. Muntingh, som har udarbejdet en så omfattende betænkning.
Otherwise, as in this case, we come to the plenary partsession and suddenly find a report which we did not even realize affected our area.
Eisma (NI). — (NL) Hr. formand, den panik, der griber om sig alle vegne på grund af nedbrydningen af skovområder skulle næsten få en til at tro, at den sure nedbør var noget, der først lige er begyndt. Intet er mindre sandt.
What this means, Mr President, is that we are dealing with a report which really does come under budgetary control.
Det værste er, at ingen tog disse kendsgerninger alvorligt, indtil det i de sidste år har vist sig, at skaden er blevet så alvorlig at man ikke mere kan lukke øjnene for disse kendsgerninger.
In any case, this report incorporates very objectively the work carried out by the Committee on Energy and Research.
Men også naturen er syg: den er syg på grand af sur nedbør, som imidlertid har en præcis oprindelse, om end den hidrører fra adskillige kilder — hr. Muntingh
President. — Mr Purvis, rules are rules, but I would say that in general when the Bureau has to decide on the authorization of reports, it is impossible for the Bureau at that moment to know exactly what is what.
Det ændrer ikke noget ved det faktum, at medlems staternes regeringer indtil nu har indtaget en helt uansvarlig holdning og ikke gjort noget videre for at vende strømmen.
In other words, more directly involved authorities within the administration of Parliament should take that responsibility, as it is impossible for the Bureau to read all the owninitiative proposals in order to see which committees should be involved.
På de to Miljøministermøder, i november og december 1983, kunne man ikke nå til
I think that is the only way to deal with the matter.
Eisma gerne sige noget om atomenergi og jeg vil gerne sige noget lovgivningsaspektet.
No 1-308/253 with this issue, and, in particular, Mr Muntingh, who has drawn up such a comprehensive report.
Under vore forhandlinger har vi helliget vore syge skove, jordbundens og søernes surhedsgrad, og ødelæggelsen af vore monumenter megen opmærksomhed.
I would add that this type of pollution — acid rain — has aroused much emotion amongst the public as a whole and all the political groups because the relative effects are clearly evident.
Men der må også gøres opmærksom på den sure nedbørs direkte skadelige virkning.
Many political forces only intervene when presented with the tangible effects of pollution.
I Nederlandene f.eks. lider ca. 10% af befolkningen af de såkaldte KARA­sygdomme, dvs. astma, astmatiske sygdomme eller kronisk bronkitis.
In this case the effects have been evident both in the devastated forests and especially in the damage caused to monuments in particular : the damage to health is less evident and some political forces are therefore more slow to act and show less sensitivity.
Det viser sig,v at dér, hvor koncentrationen af svovl og kvælstofoxider er højest, er også disse luftvejssyg­
The Bureau looked at the matter and authorized us to draw up this own initiative report, precisely because our job is not only to check accounts but also to take a look at the efficiency of a policy.
Ikke alene på grand af konkurrence­situationen, men især, fordi den sure nedbør er et grænseoverskridende problem.
It was not done with any malice but because we thought there had been total communication since the rapporteur is also a member of the specialized committee.
Heldigvis ser det ud til, at der i den senere tid er kommet en anden indstilling i Det forenede Kongerige med hensyn til den sure nedbør.
I should not like you to feel that this discussion means that there is a basic argument between the committees.
domme tiltaget i betydelig grad, især hos børn og ældre. Jeg tror, det er et ekstra argument for at begrænse udledningen af disse stoffer, især i tæt befolkede områder.
In the 'hearing' which we held in Brussels we were able to note that the problem will not be solved until the inevitable clash between collective and private interests is reconciled and, above all, until the ratio between cost and gain is made clear.
SO2 standser ikke ved Fællesskabets indre grænse, SO2 overskrider også de ydre grænser.
You might be creating a precedent which could be undesirable, and I just wanted to draw your attention to it.
Næsten halvdelen af luftforureningen i Vesttyskland stammer fra Polen, Østtyskland og Tjekkoslovakiet.
In general, however, they are derived from studies carried out by 'the other side' such as energy producers and the industries which cause pollution.
Det betyder, at bindende foranstalt­ninger på EØF­plan ikke er tilstrækkelige for at imødegå luftforureningen i Vesttyskland. Det betyder, at østbloklandene snarest muligt skal inddrages i bekæmpelsen af den sure nedbør, og det vil ikke være let.
We believe that greater assistance should be given to independent institutions and scientists in order to solve this enormous contradiction between cost and profit which only apparently exists.
Parlamentet ved udmærket, hvad der bør ske.
I meant to add a few things to what my colleagues have said.
Muntingh­betænk­ningen bulner jo af gode forslag. Hvis dog Rådet endelig gad lytte til Parlamentet.
I deeply regret not having been able to submit amendments because the final text, for some reason, was very late in reaching me.
Men en ting er umiskendelig, og det er den virkning, kendsgerningerne om den sure nedbør har på den offentlige mening. Jeg begyndte med at omtale den panik, der griber om sig, en berettiget panik, men jeg har tillid til, at den har rystet deri offentlige mening vågen, så der er kommet fortsåelse for, at miljøpolitik ikke er et spørgsmål om frit valg, men et spørgsmål om to be or not to be.
'Should the committee to which a question was first referred wish to hear the views of another committee, or should another committee wish to make known its views on the report of the committee to which a question was first referred, such committees may request the President that, in accordance with Rule 94(3), one committee can be named as the committee responsible and the other as the committee asked for an opinion.'
Hr. Muntinghs beslutningsforslag indeholder et punkt, hvori atomenergien anbefales som et overordentlig værdifuldt alternativ til de traditionelle luftfor­urenende kraftinstallationer.
In any case it is necessary that the Council should take concrete action against air pollution ; it should at least adopt the very modest directive on air pollution caused by industrial plant.
Maij-Weggen (PPE). — (NL) Hr. formand, den fore­liggende betænkning af Muntingh, som jeg i øvrigt gerne vil gratulere ham med, kan føres tilbage til et initiativ fra bl.a. vor gruppe i 1982.
We have a mass of rules and we should try to solve our problems in a pragmatic way so that political justice is done to every committee.
Jeg vil gerne sige noget om Østblokkens andel i den sure nedbørs opståen, jeg vil
President. — The next item is the resumption of the debate on the Muntingh report on the combating of acid rain.
Til slut, hr. formand, vil jeg gerne, ud over vor posi­tive bedømmelse af betænkningen, komme med en kritisk randbemærkning.
Mr Eisma (NI). — (NL) Mr President, the widespread alarm concerning the dying forests might suggest that acid rain is something relatively recent.
I betænkningen af Muntingh mangler der et væsentligt kapitel.
For decades we have been hearing reports of dying lakes in Scandinavia and Canada and of the corrosion of buildings in eastern and southern Europe.
Der mangler en oversigt over den nationale lovgivning og fællesskabs­lovgivningen på luftforureningsområdet og derved også en identificering af hvilke medlemsstater, der indtager en svag eller en stærk holdning til bekæm­pelsen.
The shameful thing is that no-one then took the danger seriously, but the problem has spread so quickly in the past few years that now it is impossible to ignore it.
Og da det jo altid er godt at kunne skelne de gode fra de mindre gode venner i en fælles kamp, vil jeg gerne henvise hr. Muntingh til Vesttysklands og Nederlandenes kontraktive holdning på det område.
Mrs Squarcialupi (COM). — (IT) Mr President, I believe that this motion represents an important step forward for the European Parliament as regards the protection of the environment.
De marcherer så afgjort i de forreste rækker i kampen mod den sure nedbør og er kommet langt med lovgivningen.
I am grateful to all my colleagues who have presented motions connected
Begge lande har en kristelig­demo­kratisk/liberal regering, og det er ikke tilfældigt. Begge regeringer prioriterer kampen mod luftforur­
Nonetheless, the national governments and the Council have so far done precious little to turn the tide.
Maij-Weggen ening højt, og begge fører an ved de europæiske aktioner.
Eisma two observations concerning certain aspects of the problem.
nedbør, men den nøjagtige årsag til fænomenet er endnu ikke fundet.
ministers held in November and December last year no decision could be reached.
Man har fundet mange mulige årsager, men den egentlige årsag er formentlig resultatet af en kombination af atmosfærisk forurening og en særlig syreholdig jord, som vaskes ned i søerne under kraftige regnskyl.
The latest compromise proposal referred only to target figures for sulphur dioxide emissions and did not lay down any maximum permissible levels, mainly because of the objections of the United Kingdom — if I may mention that country by name, Mr President.
Hr. formand, jeg syntes, det var vigtigt at supplere min socialistiske kollegas betænkning, som jeg, det gentager jeg endnu en gang, har megen ros til overs for.
I would like to comment on the extent to which the Eastern European countries are responsible for acid rain, and I shall be saying some thing about the nuclear energy aspects and legislation.
Kirk (ED). — Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne understrege vigtigheden af hr. Muntinghs betænkning.
However, it is essential that this problem should be tackled multilaterally, primarily for reasons of competition, but also because acid rain is an international problem.
Jeg mener, at Fællesskabet er nødt til at sætte sig nogle mål vedrørende begrænsning af forureningen og forbedring af miljøet.
It is all very well for the United Kingdom to talk about the relatively low deposits of sulphur dioxide when the prevailing westerly winds carry a large proportion of its emissions to the continent.
Forureningen er jo et af de områder, hvor politikerne i hvert fald finder deres naturlige begrænsninger.
Happily the United Kingdom's attitude to acid rain appears to have changed somewhat of late.
Ved at finde ud af, om der har været en pludselig stigning i syreindholdet i aflejringerne efter 1850 — og jeg mener faktisk 1850 — håber Wales Water Authority at kunne afgøre, om den sure nedbør er forårsaget af en vedvarende naturlig proces, eller om årsagen rent faktisk er at finde i en øget atmosfærisk forurening på grund af industrialiseringen. I sin forskning arbejder Welsh Water Authority tæt sammen med forskningsinstitutter i Tyskland og Skandinavien og finder mange ligheder i resultaterne.
About 10% of the Netherlands' population, for example, suffers from chronic respiratory diseases, that is asthma and asthmatic diseases or chronic bronchitis. There is a significantly greater incidence of such diseases in areas were sulphur and nitrogen oxide concentrations are highest.