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Det er præcis det, hr. Nordmann siger, og jeg mener ærlig talt, at det er noget, vi bør sætte spørgsmålstegn ved.
That is precisely the point which Mr Nordmann is making and, frankly, I think it is something that we really should question.
Hvis jeg noget modstræbende skal yde ordføreren ret færdighed, går han faktisk ikke så vidt som til at modarbejde hovedtendensen i direktivet, som går ud på at tillade frihandel med chokolade.
To do the rapporteur justice, with some reluctance, he does not actually interfere with the main thrust of the directive, which is to allow this free trade in chocolate.
Han siger en del mindre pæne ting om det i sin betænkning, og hensigten med de ændringsforslag, som er stillet af mig og mine kolleger fra den europæiske demokrati ske gruppe og af fru Banotti fra den kristelig-demo-kratiske gruppe, er at fjerne disse bemærkninger.
He has some disobliging things to say about it in his report, and the amendments which I and my colleagues are moving from the European Democratic Group and Mrs Banotti from the Christian Democratic Group are designed to remove these remarks.
Det sidste, jeg vil sige, er, at hele Fællesskabets chokoladeindustri er gået ind for dette direktiv.
My final point is that the entire chocolate industry in the Community was in favour of this directive.
Vi har overhovedet ikke fået præsenteret nogen synspunkter fra nogen forbrugerorganisationer, der er imod dette direktiv, og jeg kan simpelt hen ikke indse, hvorfor hr. Nordmann vil forhindre, at det bliver vedtaget så hurtigt som muligt uden nogen ændringer af Kom missionens tekst.
We have heard no views at all from any consumer organizations who are against this directive, and I simply cannot see why Mr Nordmann wants to stop it going through as soon as possible without any amendment to the Commission's text.
(Bifald fra den europæiske demokratiske gruppe)
(Applause from the benches of the European Democratic Group)
Det andet punkt har baggrund i noget, som ordføreren har omtalt, og det angår et punkt i bilag 3, hvor han kort fortalt forsøger at sige, at chokolade med vegetabilske fedtstoffer fra et forbrugersynspunkt, ikke ville være klart nok mærket, hvis de 5% vegetabilske fedstoffer simpelt hen blev anført på listen over ingredienser.
The second point arises from something which the rapporteur has referred to and concerns a point in Annex 3, where essentially what he is trying to do is to say that chocolate with vegetable fat, if allowed to circulate through the rest of the European Community, would be insufficiently labelled from the consumer's point of view if the 5% vegetable fat was simply put into the list of ingredients.
Hvad hr. Nordmann ønsker, er faktisk at ændre betegnelsen for denne chokolade.
What Mr Nordmann wants to do is actually to change the designation of that chocolate.
Jeg mener stadig, at han ikke vidste, hvad han gjorde, da han anbefalede disse ændringsforslag i udvalget.
I still think that he did not understand what he was doing when he moved these amendments in the committee.
For det første vil den tillade de store multinationale virksomheder at opnå en væsentlig ekstraprofit. For
Mr Wurtz (COM). — (FR) Mr President, the amendment to the directive proposed by the Commission, which envisages the inclusion of vegetable fats in
For vort vedkommende lægger vi vægt på at vælge en løsning, der kan beskytte de pågældende AVS-landes legitime interesser.
For our part, we are determined to seek a solution which will preserve the legitimate interests of all the ACP countries concerned by this problem.
Det er da også hensigten med de ændringsforslag, vi stiller, og det er formålet med vor stemmeafgivelse tirsdag.
This is the nature of the amendments which we submit to our Assembly this is also how we shall vote on Thursday.
virksomheder som Unilever ved indkøb af billige vegetabilske fedtstoffer og for andre som de store chokoladefabrikanter fordi tilstedeværelsen på markedet af et konkurrerende produkt vil få kakaoprisen til at falde.
First of all, it would allow large multinational firms to make enormous profits. Some such as Unilever by pur chasing low-cost vegetable fat and others such as the major chocolate manufacturers on account of falling cocoa prices resulting from a competitive product on the market.
For at danne sig et indtryk af den indflydelse, som disse pressionsgrupper øver på Fællesskabet, behøver man blot at tænke på, at Bruxelles altid har afvist at lægge afgift på importen af vegetabilske fedtstoffer til Europa — som krævet af den kommunistiske gruppe igennem fem år — netop til stor fordel for en koncerne som Unilever, der som bekendt kontrollerer 80% af markedet for olieholdige produkter.
The influence of these pressure groups on the Com munity can be ascertained if, for example, we realize that Brussels has always refused to tax vegetable fats imported into Europe — the Communist Group has been demanding this for five years now — and it is precisely a group such as Unilever which makes the most profit out of this as it controls 80% of the oilseed market.
For det andet har Kommissionens forslag til direktiv ændring et andet tydeligt kendetegn, der næppe heller mishager ultraliberalismens tilhængere.
Second, the amendment to the directive proposed by the Commission includes another obvious characteristic which will not displease the advocates of ultra-liberalism either.
Nemlig at det må forventes at skabe modsætningsforhold mellem de forskellige afrikanske lande, alt efter om de er pro ducenter af kakao eller af vegetabilske fedtstoffer.
It will probably oppose the interests of African countries which at first seem different accord ing to whether they are producers of cocoa or vegetable fat.
Og endelig fører Kommissionens ændring af direktivet til usikkerhed om den internationale kakaoaftale, der for fem år siden blev undertegnet af Fællesskabet og.dets berørte AVS-partnere.
Finally, the amendment to the Commission directive would lead to the international agreement on cocoa being called into question, which was signed five years ago by the Community and its partners, particularly the ACP countries.
Og her holder klarheden i Kommissionens forslag så op.
These are the only clear points made in the Commission text.
Nu indtræder der en forvirrende dunkelhed, der foranlediger mig til at rette tre spørgsmål til Kom missionen.
After that there is a worrying nebulousness which leads me to ask the Commission three questions. tions.
Verbeek (ARC). — (NL) Anvendelsen af vegetabilske fedtstoffer i stedet for kakaosmør i chokolade er mest i europæiske industriers interesse.
Mr Verbeek (ARC). — (NL) The use of substitute vegetable fats in chocolate is very much in the interests of European industry.
Disse fedtstoffer er jo billigere end kakaosmør, og (derfor kan der tjenes mere på slikket.
These fats are after all cheaper than cocoa butter, and bigger profits can therefore be made on sweets.
Der dyrkes rigeligt med raps i Det europæiske Fællesskab, og på den måde har handelen med dette produkt også gavn af det.
More rape-seed is grown in the European Community than is consumed, and so the trade makes a profit on that product as well.
Og hvem bliver offer for det?
And who suffers as a result?
Det bliver især den lille afrikanske kakao dyrker.
Mostly the small African cocoa grower.
Kakao kommer jo ofte fra de fattigste lande, og producenterne klarer sig allerede dårligst i priskampen med de store europæiske virksomheder; priserne på kakao bliver stadig lavere. Oven i dette kommer nu også konkurrencen fra vegetabilske fedt stoffer i stedet for kakaosmør.
A great deal of cocoa comes from the poorest countries, and the producers already come off worst in the price war with the big European trading companies. Cocoa prices are constantly falling.
Jeg spørger mig selv, hvordan Kommissionen egentlig tør foreslå dette i sit direktiv !
I ask myself how the Commission dares propose such a thing in its directive.
Jeg ved godt, at vegetabilske fedtstoffer også kan komme fra den tredje verdens lande, nemlig de fedtstoffer der udvindes af jordnødder, kokosnødder, palmenødder osv. Jeg ved også, at sådanne eksport monokulturer kan lægge beslag på jorden til egen fødevareproduktion i sådanne lande.
I know, of course, that Third World countries also export substitute oils, especially those derived from groundnuts, coconuts, palm nuts and so on.
Men EF burde da støtte kakaolandene, navnlig AVS-landene?
I also know that such export monocultures may take up land needed to produce food crops in those countries.
Det er der da givet udtryk for flere gange i AVS/EØF-for-samlingen?
That was what was said on several occasions in the ACP-EEC Assembly.
Og chokolade burde da være chokolade, også i betragtning af kakaooverenskomsten af 1980.
And chocolate is supposed to be chocolate, according to the 1980 cocoa agreement.
Lad EF derfor ikke tale med to tunger, lad løftet til AVS-kakaodyrkerne veje tungere end de europæiske chokoladefabrikanters lobby.
The Community should not be two-faced. The promise made to the ACP cocoa growers should take precedence over the demands of the European chocolate lobby.
Lad Parlamentet være entydigt her.
Parliament should be unequivocal on this point.
For det første : Hvilke garantier giver De os for, at de vegetabilske fedtstoffer, der snart kommer til at indgå i chokoladen i hele Fællesskabet, indkøbes i AVS-lande som Burkina-Faso eller Mali?
First, what guarantees do you give us that the vegetable fat that is to be included in all the Community chocolate will, in fact, be bought from ACP countries such as Burkina-Faso or Mali?
Hvordan kan det være, at De i denne forbindelse ikke nøjagtigt anfører, hvilken type vegetabilske fedtstoffer der skal bruges, og at De hemmeligholder, fra hvilke lande disse vegetabilske fedtstoffer, som f.eks. karite, importeres — bemærk at jeg siger hemmeligholdes!
Why do you not specify the types of vegetable fat which will be used and, more importantly, why do you keep secret the countries from which vegetable fats such as shea butter will be imported?
Hvad har De at skjule i denne forbindelse?
What have you to hide on this subject?
Schmid (S). — Hr. formand, den, der vil det fælles marked, må harmonisere reglerne, fordi det ellers kommer til handelshindringer.
Mr Schmid (S). — (DE) Mr President, if the com mon market is to be achieved, regulations will have to be harmonized or else there will be barriers to trade.
Det er indiskutabelt.
There is no doubt about this.
Nu er der i forbindelse med harmonisering af regler om produkters beskaffenhed følsomme og mindre følsomme områder for borgerne.
In the harmonization of regulations on the composition of products there are sensitive and not so sensitive areas for the people of Europe.
Levnedsmidler er et yderst følsomt område, for folk kan udmærket skelne imellem, om de køber noget, de stiller op i daglig stuen, eller noget de spiser og drikker.
Foodstuffs is a very sensitive area, because people are very decisive about whether they will buy something to put in the living-room or something to eat and drink.
Og hvilke garantier giver De os endelig for, at den mængde vegetabilske fedtstoffer, der tilsættes chokoladen, ikke overstiger de anførte 5 %.
Second, what guarantees can you give us that the pro portion of vegetable fat in chocolate will not exceed 5%, as you have promised?
I den forbindel se erindrer jeg om, at denne sats allerede er overskredet i en række lande, og at der til dato ikke ser ud til at foreligge nogen pålidelig teknisk mulighed for at bestemme mængden eller arten af det stof, der tilsættes chokoladen.
May I remind you that this rate has already been exceeded in some countries and that there is still no reliable technique apparent to determine the rate or the substance included in the chocolate.
Vil man altså harmonisere, må det ikke føre til en forringelse af forebyggelsen af sundheden, af levnedsmidlers renhed eller af standarden.
Harmonization should not entail a deterioration in health care nor a deterioration of the purity of food stuffs and a drop in standards.
Den nuværende beslutningsmekanisme i Det europæiske Fællesskab, hvorefter én i Rådet kan blokere alt og udsætte sagen, fører imidlertid i praksis desværre altid til, at når der harmoniseres, forringes standarden.
The present decision making process in the European Community, in which somebody in the Council of Ministers can block every thing and sit a problem out unfortunately always leads to a drop in standards where there is any harmonization. tion.
Hvilke konkrete foranstaltninger overvejer De at træffe for at udligne de enorme tab af eksportindtægter, som den af Dem anbefalede beslutning vil med føre for kakaoproducenterne?
Finally, what practical measures are envisaged to com pensate cocoa-producing countries for the huge losses incurred on export revenue resulting from the decision you are advocating?
De må, hr. kommissær, give mig ret i, at alle disse punkter fortjener at belyses, så vi kan træffe vor beslutning med fuldt kendskab til sagen.
I do not approve of national traditions or tastes, as we now find them in the United Kingdom, being mowed flat with a lawnmower.
Schmid hed og forbrugerbeskyttelse at gøre. Dernæst kan konkurrencefolkene gøre deres.
Schmid complete undermining of health and consumer protection. tion.
taler nu om den sundhedsmæssige side af sagen, og vegetabilske fedtstoffer er ikke usunde.
I do not wish to refer to the question of vegetable fats; I am speaking now of the health aspect, and vegetable fats are not unhealthy.
Jeg vil udtale mig om tilsætningsstofferne.
However, I should like to refer to additives and I must contradict Mrs Jackson on this.
Dér må jeg sige fru Jack son imod : det drejer sig ikke om, at de, der er imod nye tilsætningsstoffer, ikke tager notits af videnskaben.
It is not a question of opponents of new additives not having learned science.
Men : en gruppe på nogle få professorer, som er enige om et bestemt spørgsmål, er ikke videnskaben.
A committee of a few professors who agree on a parti cular question is not yet science.
Hvis De havde beskæftiget Dem nærmere med det, som jeg har gjort, ville De konstatere, at nogle af disse tilsætningsstoffer er særdeles omstridte inden for videnskaben.
If you had dealt with it as closely as I have, you would realize that some of these additives are the subject of much dispute in the scientific world.
Ganske vist vil enkelte repræsentanter, f.eks. irere og måske også en kelte nederlændinge og belgiere, ikke gå ind for denne betænkning, således som flertallet gør.
Certainly, individual representatives, some Irishmen and some Dutch and Belgian women will not agree with this report.
Der er næppe mere at sige nu, for det meste er allerede sagt.
Most points on the subject have been made already, leaving very little to say now.
Jeg kan derfor kun tilslutte mig hr. Schmids redegørelse.
I can only agree with Mr Schmid's statements.
Også jeg har spurgt mig selv, hvorledes et sådant kommissionspapir egentlig kommer i stand, og jeg har en mistanke om, at også repræsentanter for CAOBISCO har medvirket, for det er helt i deres ånd.
I have also won dered how the Commission could have drafted such a document and I suspect that Coabisco representatives also had a hand in it, for it echoes their position fully.
Højst sand synligt har afdelingen for konkurrence udarbejdet dette dokument; det er under ingen omstændigheder afdelingen for forbrugerbeskyttelse.
It is highly likely that the competition department drew up this report, not in any case the consumer pro tection group.
De, der dengang traf afgørelse derom, har jo tænkt deres derved.
There are reasons why they have only been permitted in Ireland, Great Britain and Denmark up till now, and not in other Member States.
Man har jo ikke bare forbudt det.
Those who took the decision at the time had reasons for doing so.
Jeg er derfor stærkt imod, at nye tilsætningsstoffer tillades, især da der ikke foreligger nogen teknisk betinget nødvendighed.
Careful consideration was given before banning these products. I am strictly against allowing new additives as long as there is no technical ground for it.
Det er allerede blevet sagt, hvad det drejer sig om.
The contents have already been explained.
Tre lande, nemlig Det forenede Kongerige, Irland og Danmark, fik i 1973 tilladelse til i et par år at bibeholde deres chokoladefabrikation, og det skete i håb om, at de ville gå over til den europæiske, dvs. kontinentale chokoladefabrikation.
In 1973, three countries, Ireland, Great Britain and Denmark were allowed to retain their chocolate manufacturing process for a few years, in the hopes that they would conform to European or continental methods of chocolate manufacture.
Men hvad er der sket? Nu vil de, at de andre omstiller deres produktion.
What has happened, however?
Det minder mig om en skoleklasse, hvor man sætter tre mindre gode elever sammen med syv andre i håb om, at de på en eller anden måde bliver integreret. Men nu vil de tre integrere de syv andre!
It reminds me of a class in which three mediocre pupils are placed with seven others in the hopes that they might integrate.
Det er det eneste, man opnår, og jeg kan ikke indse, hvad det skal gøre godt for — måske for industriens overskud, men i hvert fald ikke for forbrugeren.
It is also to be used in the manufacture of Easter bunnies.
Ingen har noget imod, at de tre lande fortsat fremstiller og spiser deres chokolade, som de er vant til.
Nobody has anything against the three countries' con tinuing to manufacture and eat their chocolate as they are accustomed to doing so.
De kan også udbyde den i Fællesskabet.
They can even offer them in the Community.
Når altså englændere bor hos os, kan de roligt købe den chokolade, de er vant til.
If English people live here, they can buy their usual chocolate.
De kan også have en speciel tilsætning.
They can even have a special additive.
Vi kan så eventuelt kalde den »øchokolade« eller »halvøchokolade«, hvad danskerne angår. Det nægter ingen dem.
We can then call it insular — or pen insular for the Danes — chocolate.
Der er jo talt meget om, at vi bør opretholde renhedskriteriet for øl i Det europæiske Fællesskab.
You know that, I know that, the Mem bers know that too; we all had them under the Christmas tree.
Hvis Kommissionen fortsætter på denne måde, bliver vi nødt til også at kræve et renhedskriterium for julemænd.
There was much talk about maintaining the purity rule in the European Community.
For at enhver kan vide det: i henhold til EF-logikken er påskeharer i direktivets forstand også julemænd.
If the Com mission continues to act along these lines we shall have to provide a purity rule for chocolate Santas.
Det gælder altså fremstillingen af begge slags figurer.
Let ever ybody know that EEC logic is in force; Easter bunnies and chocolate Santas are grouped together in the same directive.
Men jeg er ikke indforstået med, at alle lande nu kan fremstille deres chokolade på samme måde og, som hr. Schmid sagde, oven i købet anvende andre fedt stoffer, olier og kemiske tilsætningsstoffer dertil; disse stoffer har hidtil ikke været til stede i chokolade.
However, I do not agree to all counties producing similar chocolate and, as Mr Schmid said, also using other fats, oils and chemical additives. Their chocolate has not hitherto contained these things.
Det ville være så meget desto mere betænkeligt, som der til dato ikke findes nogen ensartet analysemetode til konstatering af kvalitet og kvantitet af de fedtstofer der skal tilsættes.
It would be all the more obvious as there are still no standard methods of analysing the quality and the quantity of the fats being used.
Det oplyses heller ikke, i hvilken mængde de tre nye emulgatorer og de to former for overtræk skal anvendes i disse produkter.
Nor is there any information about the quantity of the three new emulsifiers and the two new cover materials for these products.
Jeg har længe tænkt over, hvorfor sådan noget kom mer i stand, og hvorfor Kommissionen forelægger sådan noget, og jeg tror, jeg har fundet ud af det.
I have given much thought to the rise of such a situa tion and the reasons for the Commission's submitting such a proposal, and I think I have found the answer.
Det hænger sammen med, at for sådanne spørgsmål, som egentlig berører sundhedsområdet ganske mærkbart, er i Kommissionen generaldirektoratet for konkurrence ansvarlig, altså de folk som vil harmonisere markedet.
It has to do with the fact that for such delicate questions as those concerning health, the competition DG is responsible, that is, those who wish to harmonize the market.
De arbejder ud fra ideen om det fælles marked, ikke ud fra ideen om forbrugerbeskyttelse.
They work on the idea of the common market but not consumer protection.
Hr. kommissær, det må omsider høre op, at sådanne oplæg udarbejdes af disse folk.
Commissioner, the situation in which these people are drafting proposals will have to stop.
Den logiske vej, når nye tilsætningsstoffer skal tillades, må være, at pen nen i første omgang føres af dem, som har med sund
It would be logical, when new additives are to be approved, to confer the task of planning to those dealing with consumer protection and health.
Efter vor opfattelse sikrer dette direktiv ikke beskyttelse og oplysning af forbrugeren.
President. — I would point out that Mr Schmid is a politician who keeps his word.
Har han en mening om åbningen af fællesmarkedet for fødevarer? Er han virkelig bange for konkurrence på chokolademarkedet?
I thank him most sin cerely for the gift and since I have learned today that there are wise and foolish chocolate eaters, I hope that I can join the ranks of the wise chocolate Father Christmas eaters.
Formanden. — Jeg kan meddele Dem, at hr. Schmid er en politiker, der holder ord.
Mr President, Mr Nordmann, I feel, is rightly embarrassed by his report.
Han har virkelig givet mig en julemand af chokolade. Jeg siger mange tak, og da jeg i dag har lært, at der findes fornuftige og ufornuftige chokoladespisere, håber jeg, at jeg kan indgå i rækken af fornuftige chokoladejulemandsspisere!
I am sure that the Commission will reject his proposal, and it will be a strange thing if this Parliament, which talks so much about creating a Common Market, should itself vote for a new barrier to trade.
McMillan-Scott (ED). - (EN) Hr. formand, jeg taler her i aften for byen York og for de 7 000 mennesker, der arbejder i chokolade- og konfektureindustrien dér.
Mr McMillan-Scott (ED). — Mr President, I am speaking here tonight on behalf of the city of York and the 7 000 people who work in the chocolate and confectionery industry there.
Det forslag, vi forhandler om, vil fortsat forhindre, at god britisk, dansk og irsk chokolade kan sælges i andre fællesskabslande.
The proposal we are debating would continue to prevent good British, Danish and Irish chocolate being sold in other Com munity countries.
Jeg spørger mig selv, hvilke forbrugere Kommission en tænkte på, da den udarbejdede dette forslag til direktiv — om den måske på denne måde har ment at kunne tjene forbrugerne, som ser deres indkomst blive reduceret som følge af arbejdsløsheden og inflationen, og som i stadig stigende grad bliver sig bevist, at de må være opmærksomme forbrugere?
I wonder which consumers the Commission had in mind when it put forward this proposal for a directive — whether it thought, perhaps, that by so doing it could be of service to the consumers, who see their income increasingly reduced by unemployment and inflation, and who are increasingly aware that they have to be 'careful' consumers.
Jeg tror imidlertid ikke, at den har taget hensyn til alt dette, for hvis forslaget til direktiv skulle blive vedtaget, vil le det være nødvendigt at opstille et helt kontrolprogram for at efterprøve, om der er 5% eller 10% af dette fedtstof, og om reglerne overholdes.
I think, however, that it has not taken anything at all of this into account because, if the proposal for a directive were adopted, it would be necessary to set up an entire monitoring pro gramme to check whether this fat content is 5% or 10%, and to check that the regulations are complied with.
Fru LentzCornette har ikke ret på dette punkt.
Mrs Lentz-Cornette is incorrect in this.