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Ortoli is one of these Community links, and we entirely approve of it.
Hr. formand, til slut er der endnu en indsigelse af proceduremæssig art. Jeg gør Parlamentet opmærksom på, at der på nuværende tidspunkt er to forslag til beslutning om El Salvador til behandling i det politiske udvalg.
My second remark is this: in order to guarantee that an agreement will be reached in negotiations with the United States on the question of exchange rates and interest rates, could Mr Ortoli indicate the fundamental guiding principles for such negotiations?
Det er ikke nogen hemmelighed, at min gruppe efterhånden er temmelig træt af, at disse procedurer, disse udmærkede procedurer, stadig oftere afbrydes af forslag til uopsættelig behandling.
This could lead to a specific result of major political importance, to which our debate this morning and our Parliament will have made an effective contribution.
stort stemmeflertal, og resultatet var, at vi i beslut ningen udtalte os uforblommet.
In our view the European Monetary System contains serious gaps, shown up by the present situation — the non-participation of the United Kingdom and of Greece.
Jeg vil anmode den socialistiske gruppe om grundigt at gennemlæse disse udtalelser, og om i dag at sige mig, hvilke essentielle forskelle der er i forhold til dagens forslag.
As long as the EMS does not include all the Member States of the Community, it seems to me very difficult to ask all of them to accept the creation of a Community authority to manage the ECU, which would mean their giving up a part of their monetary sovereignty, whereas two of the Member States would retain theirs intact.
Hr. formand, Parlamentets beslutning forblev ikke upåagtet i verden, især ikke i Mellemamerika.
The worrying question of the rise in interest rates must be stressed here.
Det store flertals beslutning modtoges meget positivt i Mellemamerika, og det er kendt, at der i de seneste måneder er udviklet en del aktiviteter med henblik på at bringe en dialog i gang.
If we wish to make progress, we must arrive at an agreement and achieve more intensive and more effective consultation on interest rates between Community Europe on the one hand and the United States and Japan on the other, with a view to seeking an understanding with those two countries.
Hr. formand, jeg er klar over, at jeg må afslutte mit indlæg.
Mr Herman. — (FR) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, in order to judge the most recent adjust ments in the EMS, one must bear in mind that the convergence of economic policies is far from being guaranteed and that the inflation rate in some countries is three or even four times the rate in others.
De vil forstå, at ordlyden i forslaget til beslut ning af van den Heuvel m.fl., som den er forelagt os i dag, er uacceptabel for det store flertal af min gruppe, og jeg vil derfor indtrængende anbefale de ændringsforslag, en del medlemmer af min gruppe har forelagt.
One must also imagine what the situation would be like without the EMS and remember the pre-war devaluations, in which currencies were devalued by 30 or 40%.
Simmonds. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg beklager, at jeg må erklære mig uenig med alt, hvad fru Wieczorek-Zeul sagde bortset fra én ting, og det er, at jeg, fordi jeg er et ærligt menneske, ikke kan nægte, at fru Wieczorek-Zeul talte som en ung tysker.
It is therefore by seeking a Community solution, a joint position on interest rates, and a fairly close link between the dollar and yen zones and ourselves, that we may perhaps be able to perfect the EMS and work out realistic solutions. This is an essential precondition for survival of the Community.
Hr. formand, det nye forhold kan vel ikke være, at der skal afholdes valg den 28. marts.
President. — I call the Non-attached Members.
Jeg synes, at forslaget faktisk sparker en åben dør op, fordi mine socialistiske kolleger, der besøgte El Salvador sidste år, allerede i september sidste år vidste, at der ville blive afholdt valg i 1982.
In the absence of a supranational monetary authority — itself unthinkable without substantial progress towards political unification — it is vain to hope that the EMS will not require periodic adjustments.
Men hvad er så meningen med at forelægge det forslag til beslutning med anmodning om uopsættelig forhandling, som vi på nuværende tidspunkt drøfter?
Mr Bonaccini, you are signalling your approval to me, and I am glad of it, but I do not entirely agree with the reasons adduced for your proposal.
Hr. formand, alle de forslag, der fremsættes i dette beslutningsforslag — jeg taler stadigvæk ikke om begrundelserne — forefindes jo i den beslutning, der blev vedtaget i september sidste år i Parlamentet. Der er intet nyt.
As Mr Ortoli explained very well, there are situations which have to be corrected, and it is essential not to wait until the tension is too strong, in order to avoid ending up with what have been called 'leaps' in devaluation; but the other extreme must also be avoided, namely the 'stepped' devaluation of the Danish type which we are now witnessing.
At påstå, at det er USAs politik, der umuliggør en politisk løsning er alt for simplificeret, og det kan vi ikke gå med til.
That is why we shall vote for your resolution, because of its content but not because of the reasons adduced.
Ingen her i Parlamentet, hr. formand, kan undgå at være bekymret over problemerne i El Salvador.
Mr Pesmazogiou. — (FR) Mr President, I think this morning's debate is of great political value.
Jeg mener imidlertid, at de, der har fremsat forslagene i dag, er vildledte eller fulde af fordomme eller begge dele, når de forsøger at give amerikanerne al skylden for problemerne der, amerikanerne, hvis hjælp til El Salvador er kendt i vide kredse. I ingen af forslagene til beslutning omtales de store mængder våben, hjælp og mennesker, som er kommet hemmeligt til El Salvador fra Sovjetunionen og fra dens satellitstater som Cuba.
The convergence of the viewpoints which have been presented and the fact that we can give our full support to the principles set out by the Commission Vice-President, Mr Ortoli, are of major importance, especially in view of the fact that in a few days' time the Council of Ministers of Finance will be meeting and that negotiations must be begun with the United States and Japan, probably with a view to setting up a new system for monetary stability.
At være kritisk indstillet over for den amerikanske politik og at udtale sin bekymring desangående er i orden.
It takes a pointlessly aggressive attitude towards the United States.
Men hvis Parlamentet vedtager den foreslåede ordlyd, ville det kun puste til anti-amerikanismen.
We bear as much responsibility as they do for the rise in interest rates.
Derfor er det næppe overraskende, at de kommunistiske medlemmer af dette Parlament har forsøgt at fordømme de kommende valg i El Salvador som udemokratiske.
More over, interest rates rose in Europe before they rose in the' United States.
Kommunistisk kontrollerede lande ved alt om frie og demokratiske valg, især når der kun er ét navn på stemmesedlen.
It should also be borne in mind that, in relation to inflation rates, today's interest rates are not as high as all that.
Valg er en væsentlig betingelse for El Salvadors udvikling mod en indre fred og mod oprettelsen af demokratiske institutioner, der virkelig repræsenterer El Salvadors befolkning.
Thirdly and finally, even if the United States lower interest rates, it will not necessarily mean a lowering of interest rates in Europe if the national deficits continue at their present level.
Jeg foretrækker at blive vejledt, hr. formand, ikke at få fordomme i denne sag af opinionen blandt et flertal af lande og folkeslag nærmest ved El Salvador som mener, at martsvalgene, selv om de ikke vil løse alle El Salvadors problemer, alligevel skal afholdes.
I wish to make two remarks. The first, as Mr Bonaccini noted, concerns structural problems and seeks to ensure the participation of all the Community currencies in the European Monetary System.
Denne opinion findes i demokratierne i Venezuela, Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama og Ecuador· og lige ledes i kirkerne i El Salvador, herunder den romerskkatolske kirke, hvis ærkebiskop Romero blev myrdet.
We believe that stabilization agreements, firm on principles but flexible on methods, seeking to establish a transition period with a view to stabilizing all the European currencies within the European Monetary System, constitute an approach of major importance.
De støtter alle valgene og har opfordret befolkningen i El Salvador til at stemme.
I would like to hear the views of Mr Ortoli on this possibility and this approach.
Simmonds bidrage til at opretholde tragedien i El Salvador.
Herman antagonistic attitude underlying this motion.
Indlæggene her til formiddag bekræfter i øvrigt dette.
For that reason we shall vote for it only if it is amended.
ressant, at paven har appelleret til sine troende og anmodet dem om at støtte valgene.
On the content, I would like to support fully the Commission's proposals, and particularly the following three :
Jeg må indrømme, at jeg er ked af, at fru van den Heuvel i listen under hendes forslag til beslutning over, hvem forslaget til beslutning bør sendes til, ikke har omtalt Sovjetunionen, for jeg tror, at det med fordel kunne sendes dertil også.
Given that all of us — Commission, Parliament and Council — think it essential to make a visible investment effort under the Community aegis, it would be highly regrettable if we could not — let us say, next week — finally approve a project which was proposed in October 1980 and which deals precisely with invest ment and the possibilities for development of the ECU.
Formanden. — Gruppen af kommunister og beslægtede har ordet.
But one reason for its becoming a reserve currency is that the ECU has not become one.
(Afbrydelse fra Barbi)
(Parliament adopted the resolution)
Er de tilfreds med at have dette symbol?
Position of political parties in Uruguay
Det er nemlig kun ved at godkende dette forslag til beslutning, at Parlamentet også kan gøre en indsats og bidrage til den proces, der er i gang med henblik på at finde en fredelig, politisk løsning på det salvadorianske folks tragedie.
We still have a long way to go in this field: we need to determine the rate of development of money supply, try to harmonize the various interest rates in accord ance with the terms, and make more use of the 'Ortoli facilities' and the Community's borrowing facilities.
Det er stadig muligt at undgå en åben militær intervention fra den amerikaniske imperialisme og at afværge de farer, som truer freden i Centralamerika og som i øvrigt risikerer at brede sig ud over dette område.
If we support the Commission in this field, and if the Council is prepared to follow the Commission's lead, we shall achieve our aims.
Men det er endnu alvorligere at lade som ingenting, når nogen lader, som de ikke ved, hvad der sker i El Salvador efter en stor demonstration takket være det demokratiske folk i De forenede Stater mod regeringens politik, der anklages for at støtte Duarte og hans kolleger i militæret, efter at dokumenter, fotografier og rædsels vækkende reportager er offentliggjort.
But I think we have adopted a good practice, that of periodically discussing monetary problems not only in committee but here in plenary sitting as well.
I dag er det ikke længere muligt at undslå sig for at sige, at de farcevalg, der afholdes om et par uger, er lovstridige.
I am very willing to continue this dialogue, and to go into detail.
Ja, hr. Vergeer, disse valg er en ikke uventet, men meget alvorlig kendsgerning: valg uden et skær af legitimitet, uden nogen form for garanti, afholdt midt i massakrerne.
Mrs Cassanmagnago Cerretti. — (IT) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, more than a year has passed since this Parliament approved the excellent Van den Heuvel report on Uruguay and the serious and continuing violations of human rights in that country, which was at one time a model of democracy in the southern part of the American subcontinent but which from 1973 onwards has become one of the countries with the highest percentage of political prisoners per inhabitant!
At tie om disse valg, således som det foreslås i et ændringsforslag, men også anvende adjektiver som «utilstrækkelige» for at berettige dem, det betyder et virkeligt medansvar for valgenes forbryderiske illegitimitet, det er det samme som at miste enhver demokratisk værdighed i dette Parlament.
My second remark is that, as I told you, we have taken up in the various committees and we are taking up with the Council — as I shall confirm on Monday — positions which are entirely in accord with what has been said here. Personally, I am very pleased about this.
Er der måske brug for yderligere beviser for at påvise den manglende legitimitet af valgene?
The results of the referendum on the constitution were a serious slap in the face for the military regime and have obliged it to pledge itself to a return to democratic institutions.
Dette er vi i stand til at sige, hr. Simmonds, fordi vi ikke er købt af De forenede Stater, således som det er tilfælde med nogle stater i Mellemamerika, som derfor er tvunget til at indtage denne holdning.
Thirdly, I am very aware of what has been said about the ECU, its use and particularly the development of Community loans.
Castellina. — (IT) Hr. formand, nu, hvor vi skal til at stemme om en betænkning om El Salvador, kan jeg ikke lade være med at fremhæve det meget tunge ansvar, som højrekræfterne i dette Parlament har påtaget sig: ansvaret for med deres holdning at
The method adopted in this case by the regimesthrough the bill on the status of the political parties,
Castellina om disse valg mener jeg bestemt ikke, der er plads til nogen form for kompromis.
Cerretti cannot be distinguished in any way from the traditional methods of all dictatorships and its purpose is to maintain the familiar oligarchy in power.
Formanden. — Medlemmer uden for grupperne har ordet.
and 'Colorado' parties have played in the history of the Uruguayan Republic, or detract from the responsibilities for good and for evil which they have had in the political life of that country.
dødsdom. Må jeg derfor måske huske hr. Vergeer på, at han, da han ankom til Schiphol, sagde, at det ikke havde noget formål at afholde valg på nuværende tidspunkt, men at valgene kun vil kunne finde sted som afslutning på en demokratiseringsproces.
No one underestimates their contribution, along with that of the other political parties — which have been obliged to go underground or into exile — in rejecting, by 700 000 votes, of the constitution which the military attempted to impose upon them in November 1980.
Det var hans egne ord og jeg bønfalder ham ligefrem i dag om, i alt fald på det punkt, at være vederhæftig.
The 10 000 signatures rule and the thinly-veiled threats concealed behind it will certainly not succeed in preventing the inexorable progress towards democracy which is the will of all the people of Uruguay.
Det er selvfølgelig rigtigt, at Parlamentet retter sin opmærksomhed mod begge disse spørsgmål, men det er lidt trist, at meningerne om El Salvador er meget mere afvigende end meningerne om sælerne. Der foreligger igen to forslag til beslutning, og det beklager vi.
How is it still possible to speak of a 'democratic' system, when this very system provides for a series of discriminatory measures against broad sections of the Uruguayan population (former members of political parties that have been dissolved or banned, trade unionists and students)?
Kyrkos. — (GR) Hr. formand, jeg stiller vore konservative kolleger følgende spørgsmål: hvad foretrækker De, enten valg, som det er sikkert vil forgifte atmosfæren og fremkalde et nyt blodbad, eller en forhandlingspolitik, en søgen efter en politisk løsning, som SDR/FMLN og internationale personligheder som Mexicos præsident foreslår? Det er det alternativ, de skal udtale sig om, når de stemmer.
We trust that this Parliament, the Community Institutions and the diplomatic representatives and govern ments of the Member States will be able — and I fully agree with Mrs Cassanmagnago here — to do some thing to show more than verbal solidarity with people who are suffering under a tyrannical regime.
Vi ønsker at hilse og opmuntre den amerikanske offentlige menings mobilisering imod interventionspolitikken, og vi foreslår en politik, som ikke har til formål at dyrke noget sterilt fjendskab over for De forenede Stater, men at udøve en afgørende indflydelse på den øjeblikkelige situation for at undgå nye interventioner i andre staters indre anliggender og at hindre Washington i helt tilfældigt at støtte militær diktaturer uden at ænse folkenes kamp for fred og for social og politisk befrielse.
As I did when we adopted the Van den Heuvel report, I now call upon the ten Member States to undertake concerted action with regard to Uruguay, both at the level of trade and at the diplomatic level; we can no longer content ourselves with verbal protests and general motions; we must exert real pressures on the military regime, which, unfortunately, has shown that this is the only language it understands.
Formanden. — Fru Wieczorek-Zeul har ordet.
President. — I call the Group for the Technical Coordination and Defence of Independent Groups and Members.
Wieczorek-Zeul. — (DE) Hr. Fanti, jeg vil gerne sige, at min gruppe selvfølgelig vil tilbagevise ændringsforslagene. slagene.
From this point of view, I trust that the Foreign Ministers of the ten Member States, meeting in pursuance of Community political cooperation, will review the situation and decide by mutual consent on specific and immediate action, and that the Committee on Political Affairs will keep an eye on the follow-up to this crucial issue.
Hr. formand, vi fordømmer på det alvorligste de rystende mord i El Salvador. Voldhandlingernes optrapning forøger faren for at konflikten bliver international.
Mr Castellina. — (IT) Mr President, I welcome, but only up to a point, this resolution, because only a few weeks ago, during this very same plenary session, I asked a question.
RDF har for ikke længe siden i et brev til præsident Reagan erklæret sig rede til at indlede forhandlinger med juntaen med det formål at nå til en politisk løsning.
The answer I obtained was not very satisfactory at all, and I think that, as we are talking about Uruguay now, some account should also have been taken of this aspect of the matter.
Hr. Vergeer, De ved selv, at der i 1972 fandt valg svindel sted til skade for kristelig-demokraterne, og at ingen international iagttager kunne forhindre det. Vil De virkelig som repræsentant for Deres gruppe deltage i en sådan maskerade?
Mr Lezzi. — (IT) Mr President, the Socialist Group has the greatest sympathy with the motion tabled by Mr Barbi on behalf of the European People's Party.
van den Heuvel. — (NL) Hr. formand, hr. Vergeer efterlyste nye begivenheder. Han nævnte selv nogle; mæglingsforslaget af Mexico, RDF-FMLN-udta-lelsen, der viser en tydelig forhandlingsvilje.
In my question, I asked what the Commission thought of the fact that the Uruguayan armed forces had been included in a move which was in itself already extremely deplorable, namely the sending of United Nations troops to Sinai.
Jeg vil gerne gøre ham opmærksom på den store betydning af disse nye begivenheder, der igen har kostet El Salvador hundredevis af døde. Jeg vil gerne gøre ham opmærksom på optrapningen af voldshandlingerne, der delvis er en følge af den amerikanske indblanding.
On that occasion I also produced copies of newspapers published by the Uruguayan regime, which made much of this participation by Uruguay in the Sinai peace keeping force alongside European troops, almost as if this was tantamount to recognition by the European states of their regime as the legitimate government of the country.
Det er først USA, der på grund af sin holdning, det vil sige gennem sin permanente hindring af reformer, har bidraget til en radikalisering af dem. Jeg tror, det siger noget!
Naturally, Mr Barbi's motion for a resolution and the Socialist amendment do not in any way diminish the role which the 'Blanco'
Langes. — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg ville ikke have bedt om ordet, hvis ikke De havde givet såvel fru van den
One final very brief reflection: I hope it was a technical omission that the Barbi resolution mentioned every kind of party except the Communist Party.
Endnu en kort bemærkning om de forestående valg.
What are we to do with the Uruguayan Communist Party?
Også de kristelige-demokratiske medlemmer af den blandede delegation, der besøgte El Salvador i juni, har under besøget bestandigt stillet spørgsmål om valget.
Are we going to keep it in political quarantine, or are the Christian Democrats prepared to say that the Uruguayan Communist Party also has the right to be declared a legitimate party?
Formanden. — Vi går til afstemning om forslag til beslutning af van den Heuvel (dok. 1­1098/81/ ændr.) : Situationen i El Salvador.
Mr Haferkamp, Vice-President of the Commission. — (DE) As far as Community policy goes, Mr President, the Commission shares Parliament's critical stance.
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President. — The debate is closed.
Formanden. — De må ikke tale nu, da De er ikke står på listen.
The motion for a resolution will now be put to the vote.
Formanden. — På dagsordenen er forslag til beslut­ning af Habsburg og andre og de la Malene (dok. 1­1106/81), for de europæiske fremskridtsdemokra­ters gruppe om situationen i Kampuchea.
The Socialist Group have presented at this part­session a motion for a resolution, the text of which is there­fore more up­to­date than ours since it refers to these initial steps.
Haferkamp, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne på Kommissionens vegne gøre en enkelt bemærkning til et aspekt, som i denne højpolitiske debat hidtil knapt er blevet berørt, men som vi alle ved, ligger dette Parlament særligt på hjerte, og hvor vi som Fællesskab også faktisk kan gøre noget, ikke gennem ord, men gennem gerninger.
We are therefore prepared to withdraw our motion and support the Socialist motion, provided that its text is respected, i.e. that the Socialist Group, together with us, rejects those amendments to its reso­lution which have been tabled and which would change the whole character of the argument.
Habsburg. — (DE) Hr. formand, Khmer­folket har i det sidste århundrede lidt langt mere end andre nationer.
President. — The next item is the joint debate on two motions for resolutions on the situation in El Salvador:
Fællesskabet har i de sidste tolv måneder gennem ikke­regeringsorganisationer, især gennem det inter­nationale Røde Kors og gennem FNs flygtningshøj­kommissær bevilget næsten 10 milioner ERE.
— the rigged elections organized by the Duarte junta — is certainly of no help to these negotiations, which we should instead encourage through a responsible and wide­ranging political initiative.
Vi begynder med forslag til beslutning af Fanti (dok. 1­1087/81/ændr. II): Situationen i El Salvador.
— motion for a resolution (Doc.
Fanti. — (IT) Hr. formand, efter vor kollega Wiec­zorek­Zeuls erklæring for den socialistiske gruppe, trækker jeg vort forslag til beslutning tilbage til fordel for den socialistiske gruppes beslutningsforslag.
Mr Fanti. — (IT) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, we had already presented this motion for a resolution on the problems of EI Salvador in the last part­session, to draw the attention of the European Parliament once more to the serious situation which increasingly threat­ens that country — the serious violations of human rights, the ruthless political and military repression carried out by the junta, the dangers threatening the whole country and above all the international risks involved in that situation.
Formanden. — Vi tager hr. Fantis erklæring til efter­retning. Forslaget til beslutning af Fanti er trukket tilbage.
Mrs Van den Heuvel. — (NL) Mr President, this House has every reason to be discussing the situation in El Salvador here again today.