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Jeg vil gerne sige ganske klart og tydeligt, at man kan mene om kommissionsbeslutningen, hvad man vil, men Kommissionen er et organ, der har sit eget politiske ansvar.
I have made it clear what my objections are, and I hope that Parliament takes a satisfactory decision tomorrow.
Det andet spørgsmål er: Når der allerede herskede spænding ved den første anmodning om forudbetaling, hvorfor så denne panikagtige spektakulære reaktion?
So, here we have a problem that has not been investigated for a number of years, practically speaking since the sixth directive, and we have, as a result, a VAT that is not identical in all the countries of Europe.
Var der ingen andre midler til at klare en spændt situation?
Mr Arndt (S), rapporteur. — (DE) I should just like to say a few words.
Det skulle de have tænkt over i det sidste par år.
Lalumière from one country of Europe to another.
Så sent som i april i år havde de under forhandlingerne om landbrugspriserne i Parlamentet endnu tid til at ændre holdning.
It will obviusly be very difficult gradually to achieve similar rates of VAT in all the countries and it has to be clear that the process will take some time.
Hvad gjorde de? De forkastede alt, og i dag undrer De Dem over, at vi står over for en finansiel katastrofe.
The realities facing the people of the Community today are falling living standards, rising unemployment and general economic crisis.
Jeg er spændt på, hvorledes De vil forklare denne selvmodsigende hold ning over for den europæiske offentlighed og vælgerne.
If the Community is not seen to be able to act on these problems coherently, then it will be seen by our peoples to have failed and it will no longer have their confidence.
Det tredje punkt, jeg gerne vil komme ind på, er snarere et spørgsmål til Kommissionen.
With regard to the Community's own budget, I believe strongly in the need to increase the Community's revenue.
Det bekymrer os, at Kommissionen ved at udskyde forudbetalingerne i praksis med hensyn til betalingerne overfører ca. 400 mio Ecu til regnskabsåret 1984.
We urgently need to fund new policies for industry, employment, transport, energy and in the social sector, all of which have been repeatedly argued for by this Parliament.
Hvis Parlamentet i morgen ved første behandling vedtager budgettet for 1984, hvor vi er gået op til loftet på 1 % moms, er den så sikker på, at den ved overførsel af betalingsforpligtelsen til 1984 også kan holde sig inden for rammerne af moms loftet på 1 %?
Even if agricultural expenditure had not risen so rapidly this year, we should still, in my view, have needed to increase the 1 % VAT ceiling to finance new policies in the areas I have mentioned on the scale which is now required.
Gautier (S). — (DE) Jeg håber, at det også kan over sættes til de andre sprog.
What we need, to a very large extent, is to take up this VAT problem — and a previous speaker said so just now — for it is obvious that VAT yielded more before 1970 than it has done since.
Clinton (PPE). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg beklager også, at hr. Thorn ikke er til stede, men jeg er glad for at se, at kommissær Dalsager er ankommet.
So, there is a very delicate question here and it has to be admitted that, in the Arndt report, the matter of a VAT increase as an additional resource will crop up later.
Et fjerde punkt: der er sikkert nogle problemer med udskydelsen af forudbetalingerne, og jeg vil gerne vide, hvorledes Kommissionen stiller sig til, at netop lande eller eksportører i lande med en høj inflationsgrad specielt skal lide under, at de får betalinger to eller tre måneder senere.
The section of the report that says that there will be no special procedure for for any later increases in own resources is rather like slamming a door, as each country is going to want the increase in own resources to be a gradual business. The Member States will agree to an increase from 1 % to 1.4% and they will perhaps agree then to granting new own resources.
Overvejer Kommissionen i den forbindelse at gennemføre udligningsforanstaltninger? ninger?
But they will move gradually. It is perhaps a mistake to refuse the idea of a procedure for later on.
Femte punkt: vi er indforstået med, at Kommissionen midlertidigt har udsat visse forudbetalinger, nemlig 80 % af a conto betalingen for eksport.
It would perhaps have been a good idea to provide a system that would work and enable the Community to obtain new own resources.
Dermed hæmmes Fællesskabets eksportpolitik ganske vist noget, men ikke fuldstændigt, og derfor anser jeg i princippet denne nødforanstaltning for rigtig.
They could well be smaller than the 1% but they would enable it to cover the future financing that guarantees the future of our Community and, above all, the essential role it could play at European level in the economy and in all the new common policies to be implemented. mented.
På min gruppes vegne vil jeg gerne straks gøre det helt klart, at vi ikke undervurderer de problemer, alle institutioner i Fællesskabet står overfor på nuværende tidspunkt.
I also share the view contained in the motion that greater priority must be given in future to the poorer regions of the Community.
Jeg vil gerne forsikre de tilstedeværende kommissærer om, at vi ikke er her for at skabe yderli gere vanskeligheder. Vi har stillet denne mundtlige forespørgsel med forhandling, fordi vi er bekymrede.
Let us face the reality that the Community's regional policy has failed up to now and that the gap in prosperity between the richer and poorer regions has significantly increased since the Treaty of Rome came into force.
Ja, et stort antal af de mennesker, der har sendt os hertil for at repræsentere dem, er nu alvorligt bekymrede. rede.
That is a travesty of the intentions of this Parliament, and it is a situation which must be redressed by radically restructuring Community expenditure in favour of the poorer Member States and regions as a matter of priority.
Sjette punkt: jeg vil gerne spørge Kommissionen, hvorledes den har gennemført denne, foranstaltning.
Mr O'Mahony (S). — Mr President, this motion for a resolution represents in general terms, a balanced approach to solving the present financial crisis in the Community.
Den har ganske vist bebudet udsættelsen af forudbetalinger, men har åbenbart først senere truffet den egentlige beslutning, således at i mellemtiden mange mennesker, der forstår sig på landbrugspolitik, ikke har forholdt sig passive, men i stedet for hurtigt har skaffet sig cash, bragt varer på lager og afsluttet eksport.
It represents a further, important evolution of Parliament's consistent attempts to make the Community's institutions face the need for adequate funding and for a more balanced distribution of resources between economic sectors and regions.
Kan Kommissionen informere om, hvad der er sket imellem meddelelsen om og den faktiske gennemførelse af udsættelse af forudbetalinger?
Let us face the fact that a free market in goods and services benefits the stronger economies of the Community and exploits the weaker Member States unless it is accompanied by appreciable measures of regional distribution, and this is clearly not the case at present.
Der cirkulerer alle mulige rygter og spekulationer, og vi — de direkte valgte medlemmer af Parlamentet — må være i stand til at give svar, pålidelige svar.
May I say, too, in my opening remarks, that the Council of Ministers must be condemned in the strongest possible terms for its continuing failure to devise solutions to the Community's financial problems.
I modsætning til medlemmerne af Kommissionen, skal vi møde disse mennesker ansigt til ansigt. I de seneste uger er deres tillid blevet fuldstændig udhulet, og det forventes af os, at vi kan berolige dem.
It has been clear for more than a year now that Community expenditure would reach the limit of its own resources in late 1983 or in early 1984, yet there is still no sign of a Council agreement on the way forward.
Hvordan kan vi berolige dem, når der hurtigt efter hinanden udsendes erklæringer og moderklæringer fra Kommissionen og på højeste plan? Resultatet er, at ingen synes at vide, i hvilken retning vi går fra den ene uge til den anden.
In this connection, I must add that I have met no Member of this Parliament who believes that a solution will be found in Athens either, despite the clear urgency of the matter.
I 3 til 4 år har de liberale og de kristelige demokrater stillet sig op og har sagt: »Der er ingen problemer med landbrugspolitikken.
Throughout the motion for a resolution, the problems of increasing agricultural expenditure and the Community's financial crisis are linked.
Vi har penge nok. Vi kan roligt stemme for en prisforhøjelse på 14 %, på 8 % eller hvor meget det nu skal være.« Vi socialister har i årevis sagt, at det ikke kan fortsætte på denne måde. På et eller andet tidspunkt har vi ikke flere penge.
We must proceed with some caution here, and I am pleased that Mr Arndt has accepted some of the amendments which I suggested in the Committee on Budgets in this regard, particularly in paragraph 40.
Nu er den situation indtruffet, at vi ikke har flere penge, Kommissionen forholder sig korrekt og siger: »Vi har ikke længere penge nok og må nu finde ud af, hvorledes vi kan
It must be clear to all of us that the European Community will only survive in the long term if it confronts the real problems which affect the daily lives of its peoples.
Sidste uge, dvs. blot en uge senere, kom der fra Kommissionen en anden erklæring om, at denne suspension ville blive fortsat på ubestemt tid, men ikke længere end til udgangen af indeværende år.
It is understandable that Parliament's attention should focus at a time of financial crisis on the problems of undisposable agricultural surpluses.
Den første forsikring var ikke korrekt, og jeg håber, den anden vil være
Nevertheless, we must not look at the problem of surpluses in a global
Hvis dette går udover indeværende år vil det afgjort forårsage alvorlig skade.
We must first ask why these massive surpluses are being created, and where.
klagerne er berettigede. Hvis jeg forekommer at være overkritisk, beder jeg undskylde, men det vil måske hjælpe kommissionsformanden til at forstå problemet, hvis jeg minder ham om, at jeg repræsenterer et land, der i år eksporterede 45 % af sit oksekød og 60 % af sit levende kvæg til andre lande.
I recognize that it is sometimes difficult for people to be at a particular place at a given time, and that Mr Thorn has been held up by the fog, but surely the Agriculture Commissioner should be present : he could perhaps sit in and at least deal with those questions which are being put to him whilst Mr Thorn is absent.
Det, der måske er et temmelig lille problem for store karteller og eksport virksomheder, kunne for Irland betyde tabet af værdi fulde afsætningsmuligheder.
President. — Mr Hord, the Commissioner Mr Tugendhat is present, and I will ask him to reply to you directly.
Curry (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, hr. Provan vil tale for min gruppe. Jeg vil gerne komme med et par personlige kommentarer.
It is imperative, therefore, that measures to deal with agricultural surpluses, necessary though these are, must discriminate in favour of agriculture-based economies like my own.
De nævnte tågen, hr. formand, og det forekommer mig, at der i hele denne sag har været langt mere tåget inden for bygningen end udenfor.
The implementation of a global measure, such as the supplementary (Super) levy proposed by the Commission, would constitute the destruction of Community solidarity so far as Ireland is concerned.
Da jeg vendte hjem sent om aftenen efter at have lyttet til hr. Thorns første forsikring, kørte jeg ca. 60 miles ud i landet fra Dublin for at mødes med 300 landmænd og erhvervsdrivende, der ærligt mente, at enden var nær, og at Fællesskabet ikke længere var i stand til at opfylde sine forpligtelser.
Mr Tugendhat, Vice-President of the Commission. — Mr President, in response to Mr Hord's point, both President Thorn and Mr Dalsager are in fact at this moment on their way here. They are, I am informed, somewhere between the airport and Parliament.
Jeg beroligede dem straks, da jeg sagde, at jeg kom direkte fra Parlamentet, hvor jeg havde fået det kategoriske løfte fra formanden for Kommissionen, at dette var en suspension på to uger, og at alt derefter ville vende tilbage til det normale.
They would have been here earlier but for the fact that there has been fog both in Brussels and in Strasbourg. Therefore, their departure was delayed for unavoidable reasons.
Jeg gjorde det, fordi jeg accepterede, hvad der blev sagt dengang, og fordi jeg følte, vi havde en erfaren kommissær til at tage sig af budgettet, som også for ganske nylig havde forsikret os om, at hans beløb kom til at stemme.
The Commission therefore felt that the best thing to do — which is indeed what we did — was to inform the parliamentary authorities of what had happened in order that Parliament could determine its own procedures.
Jeg føler afgjort ikke, at jeg kan møde disse mennesker igen og sige, med nogen tillid, at jeg havde hørt noget fra Kommissionen, som jeg kunne lægge til grund for et standpunkt.
Having said that, I believe that the Arndt motion goes quite a long way towards understanding the need to distinguish between economies which are heavily dependent on agriculture and those which are not, and, in general I believe that what the motion suggests are things which must be done.
Denne ubeslutsomhed skader Fællesskabet enormt.
President. — The debate is closed.
Det skal Kommissionen ikke være i tvivl om.
The vote will be taken at the next voting-time.
Kommissionen ændrede det så til en suspension i 10 dage.
I quite understand the point that Mr Hord has made.
Og det er yderst vanskeligt at være i en tilstand af delvis graviditet i mere end en meget kort periode.
It is entirely the result of weather conditions both here and in Brussels. sels.
Så arbejdsmetoden er utilfredsstillende.
President. — Mr Hord, I think this explanation has satisfied you.
Hvor mange penge er blevet udskudt til næste år?
Moreover, the Bureau has just been informed that the plane has already landed and that Mr Thorn is on his way here.
Hvornår vil de penge blive brugt?
Please let us drop these points of order, because they add nothing at this juncture. ture.
Hvad sker der, hvis vi skal arbejde med tolvtedele næste år som følge af problemer med budgettet?
President. — The next item is the oral question with debate (Doc.
Hæmmer vi med vilje eksporten for at have penge til overs ved årets udgang?
We only have one hour.
Vil dette ikke koste Fællesskabet meget mere på langt sigt?
Would you therefore please take the floor ?
Kommissionen bør aldrig glemme, at et af dens meget vigtige ansvarsområder er effektiv markedsstyring. En stop-go politik virker ikke inden for markedsføring.
For what reason has the Commission considered it necessary to continue suspending advance payments under the EAGGF (Guarantee Section), probably until 31 December 1983 ?
Jeg vil også gerne sige til kommissæren, at en masse får i Fællesskabet produceres af små landmænd i de fattigere områder. Kan vi ikke finde tilstrækkelige midler til i det mindste at betale de mindre land mænd, eller skal de vente til næste år med at blive betalt?
Mr Marck (PPE). — (NL) Mr President, if there is no alternative, then I will begin, although I find it very regrettable that the Commissioner responsible is not present for so important a matter.
Hvis det er tilfældet, skyldes det efter min mening hovedsagelig dårlig ledelse, især når vi beskæftiger os med et produkt, der er mangel på.
This is the second time this has happened : we had the same experience last time.
Jeg har fået adskillige klager over det, og jeg føler,
Mr Hord (ED). — Mr President, I find your proposal rather strange, since there seems little point in
Hr. formand, vi sætter ikke spørgsmålstegn ved Kommissionens rolle eller dens evner eller nødvendig heden for den af at spille den rolle, men vi er meget, meget bekymrede over dens metoder: et maksimum af usikkerhed, et minimum af beslutsomhed.
and I have made a special point of reading them through again. And I must say I admire the way in which the President of the Commission covered up for the blunders that had been made by the Members of the Commission and also the fair attitude he adopted at that time.
Måske vil hr. Thorn også være her om lidt, og jeg vil gerne have, at han selv svarer, for det var ham, der under sidste mødeperiode besvarede de spørgsmål, der blev stillet herom.
The competitiveness of our export trade and of the processing industry has come under heavy pressure, and there is a feeling of uncertainty about the agricultural policy, that is being pursued.
Denne afgørelse er forværret som følge af de af Kommissionen successivt indtagne holdninger.
Has the Commission made a proper calculation of the risks inherent in this policy ?
Vitale (COM). — (IT) Hr. formand, hvad de budget mæssige årsager end måtte være — også selv om de er forståelige — som har begrundet denne beslutning om at forlænge udsættelsen af EUGFL-betalingerne, så er det sikkert og vist, at den har fremkaldt stor uro på markedet som følge af den pludselige måde, hvorpå den kom.
All I intend to do today, therefore, is ask a few factual questions with a view to obtaining answers which will give us a better purchase and more confidence and help to avoid further confusion.
Jeg har personlig ret foruroligende nyheder fra Italien.
My first question concerns the figures quoted by the Commission.
F.eks. undlader vinavlerne at bringe deres produkter til destillation; oliehandlerne har blokeret indkøbene, da de ikke ved, om de kan regne med afsætningsstøtten, og det skønt vi står foran en rekordhøst.
The Commission's press release of 19 October states that expenditure under the Guarantee Section of the EAGGF amounted to 1 340 m ECU per month from January to September and that 2 396m ECU was available for November and December.
For at nævne et andet eksempel: tobaksfabrikanterne har allerede officielt meddelt, at de vil indstille købene fra landmændene. Det drejer sig om konkrete forhold, og jeg kunne blive ved.
This lines up with the figures we obtained in the Committee on Budgetary Control as long ago as September — I repeat : as long ago as September.
Hvad er der sket? Der har fundet drøftelser sted om budgettet, og det er overalt blevet sagt, at Fælles skabet snart ikke længere kunne betale, fordi vanskelighederne var så store.
Mr Gautier (S). — (DE) On behalf of my group I should like to say that, in our view, the Commission of the European Community bears full responsibility for the implementation of the European Community's budget.
Og hr. Maher stillede netop følgende spørgsmål til Kommissionen og hr. Thorn: »Vil der blive truffet yderligere afgørelser efter de ti dage?« Man forsikrede os, at ingen anden afgørelse ville blive truffet.
Two weeks ago, we approved a supplementary budget which provided an additional 1 700m ECU for expenditure in the agricultural sector.
Men i dag står vi så over for den fuldbyrdede kendsgerning: det vedtages at suspendere betalingerne indtil årets udgang.
If the Commission feels that, despite the additional funds approved by Parliament, it cannot meet this year's financial obligations, it has a duty to implement the budget in such a way that the Community is not completely devoid of funds at the end of the year.
Efter min mening foreligger der en total mangel på hensyntagen til forsamlingen, og jeg tillader mig at protestere mod denne fremgangsmåde. måde.
I should like to say quite clearly that, whatever our views on the Commission's decision, the Commission is an organ that has its own political responsibility.
Det er rigtigt, at der kun er tale om forudbetalinger af restitutioner.
Secondly, many people are now criticizing the Commission for its decision to suspend advance payments.
Vi får spekulationer, vi gør os ingen illusioner, og jeg synes, at det er udmærket, at Kommissionen holder øje med dette punkt, og at der i alle tilfælde ikke træffes så omfattende foranstaltninger uden samråd.
My second question is this : if the situation was already tense when the request for advances was made, why this tremendous panic ?
Jeg har indtryk af, at der bevidst eller ej, breder sig en opfattelse af et fællesskab på fallittens rand, og at nye usikkerhedsmomenter føjer sig til de allerede eksisterende.
Were there no other resources with which to overcome this tense situation ? If the deficit to be made up amounts to 300m to 500m ECU, were there no alternatives ?
Mon Kommissionen gør sig klart, hvilken finansiel omkostning den nuværende blokering af markedet vil medføre i de nærmeste måneder?
For example, could the Member States not have been requested to pay the amounts due in December until the EAGGF funds made available in the form of monthly advances were exhausted ?
Er den klar over, at den faktisk, uanset — gentager jeg — hvad de budgetmæssige grunde til at retfærdig gøre den end måtte være, har kastet en skygge af utroværdighed, som vil brede sig langt ud over de 2—3 måneder og de berørte sektorer?
At the very worst, this would have meant stopping payments for four teen days — and that at the end of the year — and would have caused less disturbance in the markets.
Nu kan der tænkes én af to muligheder: enten har Kommissionen ikke forudset alt dette, og det ville være yderst alvor ligt; eller den har forudset det, og så står vi over for et pressionsmiddel mod Parlamentet og mod de nationale stater, og i så fald er det endnu mere alvor ligt.
Or are we to believe the wicked tongues that claim this spectacle was merely designed to bring pressure to bear on the Council of Ministers in anticipation of the summit meeting in Athens ?
Jeg skal tilføje, at de producentlande, der har over skud på landbrugsprodukter, ikke er talrige på vor klode.
The third point I should like to raise is more in the nature of a question to the Commission.
Alle støtter landbruget, og alle er foruroligede med hensyn til landbrugernes indkomst.
We are concerned that, by suspending advance payments, the Commission will in effect be carrying about 400m ECU in payments forward to the 1984 financial year.
Det drejer sig altså ikke om et budgetspørgsmål, men om et poli tisk problem, som det er vigtigt at behandle i sin helhed, så alle kan blive tilfredse.
I should therefore like to ask the Commission whether or not it has made provision in its draft 1984 budget for the additional payments that it is carrying forward from 1983 to 1984.
Endelig vil jeg til hr. Gautier sige, at han ikke kan lære os, »højre« som han kaldte os for lidt siden, noget Hr. Gautier sagde, at højre har ødslet med
In other words, if Parliament approves the 1984 budget at the first reading tomorrow and, in so doing, comes very close to the 1% VAT limit, can it be sure that expenditure will not exceed this 1% VAT limit as a result of the payment commitments being transferred to 1984?
Delatte (L). — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, debatten om dette emne viser nødvendigheden af permanent samråd, som bør oprettes mellem Kommissionen, Rådet og Parlamentet. Og emnet er
Fourthly, why has the Commission not informed either the Council or Parliament that, come what may,
Fællesskabets penge og fortsætter med at få os til det.
Mr Barbi (PPE). — (IT) I entirely agree with your remark, Mr President.
Men ikke nok med at de har tømt kassen, de har også stiftet gæld for Frankrig, som vi aldrig har oplevet det før.
Mr Gautier (S). — (DE) I hope it can be translated into the other languages.
Altså, der er ikke noget at lære af hr. Gautier.
My apologies to the interpreters. ters.
grundlag af de foreliggende tal — forstå det hvo der kan — de allerede bekendtgjorte spareforanstaltninger indtil årets udgang, samtidig med at der træffes tre nye foranstaltninger.
Fourthly, the suspension of advance payments has undoubtedly given rise to various problems, and I should like to hear the Commission's views on the fact that countries or exporters in countries with a high rate of inflation will be particularly hard hit if they have to wait two or three months for payment.