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Når der årligt udledes omkring 6,5 mio tons giftige affaldsstoffer i havet, og når det sker år ud og år ind, kan det kun have særdeles skadelige følger for det naturlige miljø.
We cannot go on with small deceptions and limited measures, which is what had been attempted by this directive.
Nu kommer jeg til sir Peter Vannecks anden bemærkning.
Sir Peter Vanneck (ED). — I rise, Mr President, to commend to the House the amendments standing in my name.
Han sagde netop det , som erhvervslivet altid siger: »Der er ikke noget bevis, bevis dog, at de stoffer er skadelige for miljøet!« Nøjagtig samme begrundelse, som erhvervslivet bruger, når vi taler om luftforurening: »De kan ikke bevise, at det forholder sig således, og derfor behøver vi intet at foretage os«.
I have only time to comment generally on them, but they all have one aim in view which is to maintain the viability of this important industry in Europe with the employment factor, the large number of jobs that are at stake, particularly in mind.
Sir Peter Vanneck, jeg synes, at det er en ødelæggende mentalitet.
As I said, the problem is a false one.
På denne måde bliver vort miljø fuldstændig ødelagt.
The ecological awareness of our countries is growing, and the need to protect the environment in which we live is becoming ever more insistent.
Gang på gang må nogle kortsynede industrimænd lade deres kortsigtede interesser, deres egne interesser gå forud for de langsigtede interesser, de sociale interesser i et sundt naturligt miljø.
Naturally, the measures for which we call with this directive will cost money, initially.
Sådan er situationen og ikke sådan, som De har skitseret. seret.
But look at the cost of disposing of the dioxide in this way !
Det er et spørgsmål, som har haft nogle spektakulære følger, såsom arrestationen i 1976 af den øverste ansvarlige i et multinationalt selskab, som netop var årsag til forureningen af en del af Middelhavet med ukontrolleret affald af rødt slam.
There is no real evidence that current manufacturing practice, which is continually being improved from the environmental point of view, causes any real chemical or biological hazard to the Community.
Jeg tror, at det svar, miljøudvalget har givet, vil være et incitament for Kommissionen til mere modigt at foreslå gennemgribende foranstaltninger til miljøbeskyttelse uden at lade visse pressionsgrupper stille betingelser.
And if, as will be the case if the House does not support my amendments, the industry is crippled financially by trying to achieve almost impossibly high standards of purity of effluent, this industry will disappear.
Disse værdsætter ikke miljøproblemet og prioriterer derimod andre problemer, og dette er til dels fejlagtigt, fordi De, sir Vanneck, en dag vil se de
Of course, we shall not suffer a lack of titanium dioxide so vital as a pigment — the whiteness in white paint, for example — because there is no lack of supplies from abroad just waiting to jump in if we are stupid enough to price ourselves out of all competition.
Et tredje eksempel på denne holdning er nøjagtig, hvad der er sket her med dette direktiv, som allerede i 1975 blev foreslået af Kommissionen, og som vedtoges af Rådet i 1978.
It is for this reason that, for many years now, we have put forward proposals for the manufacture of alternatives to titanium dioxide, and those are the lines on which we should proceed.
Min kollega, sir Peter Vanneck, har stillet et antal ændringsforslag til Kommissionens forslag, og med mindre Parlamentet vedtager alle disse ændringsforslag, må min gruppe beklageligvis stemme imod.
Squarcialupi unless we want to continue harming the environment and, at the same time, harming our production, and putting our workers out of jobs as a result.
Som følge deraf har Kommissionen nu lyttet til erhvervslivet, og den vil i stedet for i 1986 først have renset ud i rodet i 1993.
You do well to nod, but Italian industry neutralizes its waste, packs it in blocks and then dumps it into the Mediterranean, and that is not the way to do it either.
Den situation er fuldstændig uacceptabel, og derfor har den socialistiske gruppe sagt, at vi ikke accepterer det, og vi har ændret dette tidspunkt i et ændringsforslag.
To prevent this, I have tabled another amendment, which I hope Parliament will approve.
Walter (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, denne forhandling om titandioxidaffald er efter min overbevisning ikke nogen normal miljøpolitisk debat.
Mr Battersby (ED). — Mr President, of the three factories in the United Kingdom currently producing titanium dioxide two are situated in my new Humberside constituency.
Bag dette meget komplicerede og teknisk klingende forslag skimtedes nemlig sådan noget som en håndgribelig miljøpolitisk skandale, hvortil kan siges, at Kommissionen også her — som også tidligere i andre miljøpolitiske forhandlinger — desværre igen er noget i retning af den dømmende myndighed for miljøforbrydelser begået i medlemsstaterne i Det europæiske Fællesskab.
These industries and those of my constituents who work in them have a very close interest in the proposals which are the subject of Mr Ghergo's report.
Dette forslag, således som det er forelagt af udvalget om miljø- og sundhedsanliggender og forbrugerbeskyttelse, støtter vi.
Mr Muntingh (S). — (NL) Mr President, Sir Peter Vanneck has said that industrial jobs are at stake.
Vi har kun tilføjet et enkelt ændringsforslag, og vi kan sige til fru Schleicher, at vi også vil støtte hendes ændringsforslag, for det er ikke kun sådan, at man ikke må udlede syre, men at man heller ikke må udlede neutraliseret syre, fordi det på lang sigt også bliver opløst i havet.
Is it possible, Sir Peter, that jobs are at stake in the fishery sector, where holes are being burnt in fishermen's nets, where 80% of some catches has to be jettisoned because the fish have cancerous tumours, where a whole series of downstream industries is also affected ?
Det er netop det, som den italienske industri gør, hr. Ghergo. De nikker ganske vist, men den italienske industri neutraliserer affaldet, pakker det i blokke og dumper det derefter i Middelhavet, det er heller ikke en ordentlig metode.
It seems to me that Sir Peter Vanneck would do better in the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection, where he normally takes an extensive morning nap, without quite snoring, to listen rather than going to sleep, because things are far from being as he has described them.
For at undgå det har jeg stillet endnu et ændringsforslag, som jeg håber, at Parlamentet vil vedtage.
If some 6.5 m tonnes of toxic waste finds its way into the sea every year and if that happens year in, year out, it is bound to have particularly harmful implications for the natural environment.
Disse industrier og de af mine vælgere, der arbejder i dem, har den største interesse i de forslag, der er indeholdt i Ghergo-betænkningen.
Give us some evidence that these substances harm the natural environment'.
Alle ved, at dette titandioxidaffald ikke er hovedkilden til forureningen af Nordsøen. Alle ved også, at enhver tønde med dette affald, der dumpes i havet, er en tønde for meget.
This is exactly the same argument advanced by industry when we discuss air pollution : 'You can't prove that this is the case, and we do not therefore need to do anything'.
Nu kommer dette kommissionsforslag, hvorved dumpningens ophør bliver udsat til midten af halvfemserne.
This is what is ruining our environ ment.
På denne baggrund vil jeg endnu en gang sige helt klart — og det gælder også andre miljøpolitiske spørgsmål — Det er ikke Kommissionens opgave at forsyne industrien og de nationale regeringer med alibier for deres miljøpolitiske passivitet.
Again and again we find a few short-sighted industrialists putting their short-term interests, their own interests, before the longterm interests, society's interest in a healthy natural environment.
Desværre er disse forslag i deres nuværende form helt uacceptable, og det af to grunde.
Regrettably those proposals in their current form are wholly unacceptable for two reasons.
For det første har Det forenede Kongerige længe ført kontrol med vandforureningen ved at anvende miljøkvalitetskriterier.
Firstly, the United Kingdom has for a long time controlled water pollution by the application of environmental quality objectives.
Ved denne helt pragmatiske fremgangsmåde afpasses typen og mængden af spildevand til receptorernes evne til at optage og sprede det.
This essentially pragmatic approach matches the type and amount of effluent to the capacity of the receiving waters to absorb and disperse it.
I 1976 blev det efter langvarig diskussion vedtaget af Kommissionen og af alle de daværende ni medlemsstater, at denne yderst effektive metode skulle optages i Fælles skabets retsakter side om side med de ensartede normer for udledning, som de andre medlemsstater foretrak.
In 1976, after long and protracted discussion, it was agreed by the Commission and all the then nine Member States, that this approach, which is both efficient and effective, should be written into Community law alongside the uniform emission standards favoured by other Member States.
Hvorfor er Kommissionen da gået bort fra dette princip, som fællesskabslovgivningen har aner kendt i over otte år?
Why then, in the proposal now before this House, does the Commission depart from this approach which Community legislation has recognized for over eight years ?
Hvorfor søger Kommissionen nu at gennemtvinge et system med ensartede grænseværdier for udledning i hele Fællesskabet, når den tidligere har accepteret effektiviteten af metoden med miljøkvalitetskriterier?
Why does the Commission now seek to impose a system of uniform emission standards throughout the Community when it has previously accepted the efficiency of the quality objective method ?
Kommissionen har ikke givet noget tilfredsstillende svar på dette spørgsmål, og man kan kun konkludere, at den har taget for meget hensyn til teorien og for lidt til virkeligheden, og det er ikke første gang, det er sket.
The Commission has not given a satisfactory answer to that question and one can only conclude that it has been paying too much attention to theory and not enough to reality, and this is not the first time that this has happened.
For det andet ignorere direktivforslaget, når det anvender disse ensartede grænseværdier, én faktor, der aldrig kan harmoniseres.
Secondly, the proposed directive, by applying these uniform standards, ignores one factor that can never be harmonized.
Det er de geografiske forskelle.
That is the different geographical circumstances.
Efter min opfattelse er der betydelig forskel mellem udledning fra en kemisk virksomhed til det
In my view, there is a considerable difference between discharges from any chemical industry which go to open sea waters and those which go into non-tidal waters or even into rivers.
Lad mig til selve sagen endnu en gang sige: Der er ikke nogen reelle økonomiske grunde for denne slags kommissionsforslag.
This situation is completely unacceptable, and we of the Socialist Group have therefore said that we do not accept it and we have tabled an amendment seeking a change in the date.
Der er ingen tekniske problemer forbundet med at ophøre med at dumpe titandioxid affald.
In other words, Mr President, it is high time some thing was done.
Men situationen for kystområderne re — i hvert fald hos os i Forbundsrepublikken Tyskland — så kritisk, at dette spørgsmål for mange mennesker er blevet en prøvesten for den europæiske miljøpolitiks troværdighed.
We have added just one amendment, and we can tell Mrs Schleicher that we will also approve her amendments, because it is not just that no acid should be dumped but that neutralized acid should not be dumped either, since in the long term it also finds its way into the sea in the form of a solution. That is precisely
Derfor siger jeg også på vegne af mange borgmestre i kystkommuner i Forbundsrepublikken Tyskland: Jeg appellerer til Kommissionen om at overveje sit forslag, og jeg appellerer til alle kolleger, især til de tyske liberale og de kristelige
Within this highly complex and technicalsounding Commission presentation lay something which has the makings of a full-blown environmental scandal in which the Commission is, unfortunately, to be seen in the now familiar role in environmental debates of Community enforcement officer in Member State environmental transgressions.
Lad mig sige en sidste bemærkning til alle Parlamen tets medlemmer: Et energisk nej til dumpning af ti tandioxidaffald i havet gavner valgdeltagelsen den 17. juni ved Europavalget langt mere end mange millioner fil en kostbar valgkampagne. Tænk på det!
Mr Narjes, Member of the Commission. — (DE) Mr President, I should like to begin by thanking Mr Ghergo and the members of the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection, and all who participated in the committee sittings, for the attentive manner in which they scrutinized the Commission proposal and for their contributions and criticisms, even though the tone would appear at times to be somewhat far-fetched.
Kommissionen vil især slutte sig til ændringsforslag nr. 1, 2 og 5 til 9.
But it is no less true that every tonne of this waste which is dumped at sea is a tonne too many.
Derimod kan Kommissionen endnu ikke tiltræde ændringsforslag nr. 3 og 4, der vedrører nye datoer for starten på mindskelsen af forureningen eller nye referenceværdier for udledning af flydende affald.
Everyone is aware of the Greenpeace endeavours against such dumping, and every member of this House is equally aware that the Community directive, which is at present applicable, provides for the prohibition of such dumping, with effect from 1987.
Terminerne er for ærgerrige for nogle af de berørte medlemsstater.
We now have to deal with this Commission presentation which envisages postponing the abolition of such dumping until the mid-1990s.
Jeg gentager: Det står andre stater frit for at fastsætte hurtigere frister for deres vedkommende.
The trouble with all this is not so much the national interests, as the Commission would have us believe, nor the erroneous arguments advanced by industry, to the effect jobs are at stake.
De erindrer om de vanskeligheder, dette volder nogle medlemsstater.
The Commission remains committed to this.
Jeg benægter ikke, at Kommissionen i sin hensyntagen til arbejdspladser i industrien er gået lige til grænsen for det forsvarlige, men den har måttet gå denne vej, fordi den ellers ikke ser nogen udsigt til at finde en løsning, der er acceptabel for alle. Den håber, at den også med denne forhandling kan bringe mobiliseringen af forståelsen for proble merne et skridt videre i alle implicerede medlems stater.
The initial implementation measure was the Council Directive of 3 December 1982 setting out details of the supervision and control of the environ mental media occasioned by the derivations stemming from the production of titanium dioxide (No 82/883), which was presented by the Commission, pursuant to Article 73, which is the framework directive.
Sir Peter Vanneck (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, hr. Muntingh, der jo ikke havde nogen praktisk kommentar til Ghergo-betænkningen, har beskyldt mig for at snorke.
This context provides an opportunity for me to repent in unambiguous terms — and the same applies to other environmental issues — that it is not the task of the Commission to provide industry and individual Member State governments with alibis for their immobility in environmental matters.
Jeg tilbageviser denne anklage på det bestemteste, og jeg kan — om nødvendigt — få adskillige damer i min bekendtskabskreds til at bevidne dette.
It is, rather, the Commission's task to act as the driving force in Community environmental policy on behalf of the Member States.
De kender den betydning, som Kommissionen tillægger gennemførelsen af direktivet af 20. september 1978 om affald fra titandioxidindustrien.
As regards to the subject under consideration allow me to repeat the following : There are no plausible economic grounds for this type of Commission presentation.
Dette direktiv var forelagt af Kommissionen under anvendelse af rammedirektivets artikel 73.
There are no technical obstacles to a cessation of such dumping of titanium dioxide waste.
Jeg vil dog gerne sige, at hvis hr. Muntinghs betydningsløse og søvndyssende bemærkninger om syre, der mørner fiskernes garn, og fisk fyldt med titandioxid, der fremkalder kræft, får udvalgsmedlemmerne til at falde i søvn, så er det hans skyld, at han er så kedelig — og ikke min.
The state of our coastal areas is, however — in the Federal Republic at any rate — so disturbing that this issue has, for many people, assumed the character of a test of credibility of Community environmental policy.
Nu forholder det sig således, at en række bedrifter allerede tidligere har taget skridt, mens andre bedrifter ikke har gjort det, og det er præcis grunden til, at Kommissionen nu har valgt så lang en frist. Nu lyder mit spørgsmål: Kommer de bedrifter, der fra nu af udleder hurtigere og tidligere, og de bedrifter, der allerede gør det, ikke i en konkurrence mæssig dårligere situation end de forurenere, der fortsætter uforstyrret og forsøger at lade sagerne gå deres gang.
I would, therefore, state the following, not least on behalf of numerous mayors representing coastal municipalities in the Federal Republic of Germany : I appeal to the Commission to reconsider its proposal and I would urge all members of the House, not least the Liberals and Christian Democrats from the Federal Republic, to reject the Commission presentation and to support the amendments tabled by the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection.
Narjes, medlem af Kommissionen. — (DE) Det afhænger af de nye investeringers karakter og udgifterne i forbindelse hermed.
Above all, I would urge you to vote against the amendments tabled by the British conservative members.
Med det direktivforslag, De nu har til behandling, drejer det sig om det næste skridt, som Kommissionen forelægger for at kunne gennemføre basisdirektivet.
The proposal for a directive which is now before you is the second implementation measure presented by the Commission in the context of the 1978 measure which constitutes the basic directive.
Dette i artikel 93 bebudede nye direktiv skal gøre det muligt at fastlægge enkelthederne til harmoniserede foranstaltninger til mindskelse og senere ophør af forureningen.
This new directive, pursuant to Article 93, is intended to pave the way for the adoption of harmonized measures for the reduction, and ultimate elimination, of the pollution stemming from titanium dioxide production.
Disse foranstaltninger skal være udformet således, at de ikke skader konkurrencemulighederne. Dette direktiv udelukker ikke — det vil jeg straks henvise til efter hr. Walters indvending — at medlemsstater udsteder strengere forskrifter for særligt udsatte vandområder, eller at de berørte industrier beslutter sig til at reagere hurtigere.
These measures are to be so formulated as to uphold the prevailing rules of competition for all Member States.
I dette nye direktivforslag bliver målsætningen i direktivet af 1978 og medlemsstaternes nationale programmer afvejet i forhold til hinanden og gældende alle have, der hører ind under Fællesskabet.
This latest proposal for a directive attempts to integrate the objectives of the 1978 directive and the measures taken by individual Member States for all waters for which the Community has responsibility.
I den forbindelse må man tage følgende i betragtning: nogle medlems stater har for at gennemføre direktivet af 1978 forudsat eller anvendt forskellige teknologier.
In this respect the following is worthy of note : with a view to complying with the 1978 directive Member States have had recourse to a variety of technologies.
I over ensstemmelse hermed er de planlagte eller løbende investeringer i denne sekter forskellige fra stat til stat.
As such the actual, or envisaged, expenditure in this sector is not uniform among the Member States.
Kort sagt har Kommissionen en vis forpligtelse til at finde en fællesnævner for forskellige teknologier.
The Commission, therefore, sees itself obliged to work out a common denominator among such varying technologies.
Af beslutningsforslaget og ændringsforslagene kan der ikke udledes nogen principielle indvendinger mod vores forslag.
In closing I would like to leave all members of the House with this thought : A decisive rejection of titanium-dioxide waste dumping at sea will do far more to bring the voters out for the European elections in June than spending millions for a lavish electoral campaign.
Tværtimod: de belyser og supplerer
We would do well to bear this in mind !
Sherlock (ED). — (EN) Hr formand, jeg vil gerne med Deres tilladelse stille Kommissionen et spørgsmål.
Neither the motion for a resolution, before the House, nor the various amendments call into question the Commission proposal.
Narjes, medlem af Kommissionen. — (DE) Jeg sagde, at vi kan overtage ændringsforslag nr. 1, 2 og 5—9 og blot ikke kan acceptere forslag nr. 3 og 4 i dag, fordi de deri indeholdte frister er for korte til at gennemføre de nødvendige investeringer.
Mr Narjes, Member of the Commission. — (DE) I have already stated that the Commission is prepared to accept Amendments 1, 2 and 5 to 9 inclusive, and that we cannot, as yet, see our way to accepting Amendments 3 and 4, given that the timetables contained therein would render it impossible to complete the necessary investment.
140/84) af Boserup for udvalget for budgetkontrol om rationalisering af forvaltningskomiteer, rådgivende udvalg, ekspertgrupper og lignende organer, der finansieres over Fælles skabets budget.
To repeat, Member States are not precluded from setting more rapid timetables than those envisaged in the Commission proposal, should they so desire. The Commission has a duty, however, to take account of the Community as a whole, not merely of the North Sea.
Budgettet — Decharge til Parlamentets regnskabsfører for 1981
Budget — Final discharge to the accounting officer of Parliament for the 1981 financial year
Boserup (COM), ordfører. — Hr. formand, da vi her har ti betænkninger, hvoraf jeg er ordfører for de to, kan der jo nemt opstå forvirring.
Nor can I deny that the Commission, in taking account of the jobs which could be jeopardized in this sector, has been prepared to go to the limit of the acceptable.
Jeg vil derfor, for at lette det for kollegerne, nøjes med i første omgang at tale om den ene, den der omhandler godkendelse af Kommissionens regnskab for 1982.
The Commission trusts that this debate will enable it to take a further step towards mobilizing a wider understanding of this problem in all Member States.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er forhandling under ét om:
Sir Peter Vanneck (ED). — Mr President, Mr Muntingh, for lack of any practical comment on Mr Ghergo's report, has accused me of snoring.
1-111/84) af Boserup for udvalget for budgetkontrol i overensstemmelse med bestemmelserne i artikel 85 i finansforordningen med meddelelse til Kommissionen af grundene til udsættelsen af dechargen for gennemførelsen af EF's budget for regnskabsåret 1982
1-111/84) by Mrs Boserup, on behalf of the Committee on Budgetary Control, in accordance with the provisions of Article 85 of the Financial Regulation informing the Commission of the reasons for the deferral of discharge in respect of the implementation of the budget of the European Communities for the 1982 financial year
1-118/84) af Irmer for udvalget for budgetkontrol om decharge til Kommissionen for gennemførelsen af den anden, tredje, fjerde og femte europæiske udviklingsfond for regnskabsåret 1982
1-118/84) by Mr Irmer, on behalf of the Committee on Budgetary Control, on the discharge to be granted to the Commission on the implementation of the second, third, fourth and fifth European Development Funds for the 1982 financial year
1-110/84) af Såby for udvalget for budgetkontrol om afgørelsen om at give decharge til Parlamentets regnskabsfører for regn skabsåret 1981
1-110/84) by Mr Saby, on behalf of the Committee on Budgetary Control, on the final discharge to be granted to Parliament's accounting officer for the 1981 financial year