natgillin/translations-raw huggingface dataset:
— Spørgsmål nr. 2 af MacSharry : Ny teknologi-konkurrence i det internationale ung domsår 1985 sir James Scott-Hopkins, Langes, Fich, Cot, Andriessen (Kommissionen), Christophersen (Kommissionen), sir James Scott-Hopkins, Christophersen
Mr Christophersen (Commission); Sir James Scott-Hopkins; Mr Christophersen ....
(Mødet åbnet kl. 9.00)
(Parliament approved the Minutes)
Dame Shelagh Roberts (ED), formand for udvalget om eksterne økonomiske forbindelser. — (EN) Fru formand, jeg vil anbefale forsamlingen at gå ind på anmodningen om uopsættelig forhandling.
President. — The Minutes of yesterday's sitting have been distributed.
Balfe (S). — (EN) Fru formand, vor udmærkede pro tokoltjeneste har meget samvittighedsfuldt noteret alle, der tog ordet i går, men blot en lille undtagelse. se.
Mr Balfe (S). — Madam President, the excellent min ute-taking service has recorded all of yesterday's exchanges very faithfully, with just one small exception. tion.
Om det sidste punkt vedrørende dagsordenen for torsdag den 9. maj, side 15, står der:
The last item on the agenda for Tuesday, 9 May, which is on page 14, reads:
Gauteir (S). — (DE) Fru formand, jeg har endnu en gang læst i protokollen fra i går, og jeg mener også, at jeg hørte godt efter i går. Jeg ved overhovedet ikke, hvad det drejer sig om her.
Dame Shelagh Roberts (ED), Chairman of the Com mittee on External Economic Relations. — Madam President, I would recommend the House to agree the request for urgency.
Kan De kort forklare mig, hvad det i det hele taget drejer sig om i denne forordning nr. 3599/82 om »midlertidig indførsel, for så vidt angår tidspunktet for dens anvendelse«?
I do not think that a report from the REX Committee will be necessary, but I would suggest, if the House agrees urgency, that the proposal should be voted on at the end of the week.
Talere: Balfe, der på grundlag af artikel 89 i forretningsordenen anmodede om at få tilsagn om, at talen af De forenede Staters præsident ikke kom til at figurere i protokollen fra mødet onsdag, og Jakabsen.
The following spoke: Mr Balfe, who referring to Rule 89 asked for an assurance that the address by the President of the United States would not be included in the minutes of Wednesday's sitting, and Mr Jakobsen.
Dame Shelagh Roberts (ED), formand for udvalget om eksterne økonomiske forbindelser. — (EN) Fru formand, Parlamentet vedtog betænkningen om den ne forordning for kort tid siden.
Mr Gautier (S). — (DE) Madam President, I have re-read yesterday's minutes, and I think I was listening carefully yesterday too. I haven't a clue what is going on here.
Det, Rådet nu ønsker, er at udsætte dens iværksættelse fra august i år til januar næste år, og det forekommer mig ikke at være et spørgsmål af revolutionerende betydning.
Would you explain to me briefly what is at issue in this Regulation No 3599/82 on 'special use as regards the date of its implementation'?
Jeg bad jo ikke om, at hr. Jakobsen ikke skulle med i protokollen for onsdag.
I was not asking that Mr Jakobsen should not be included in the Minutes of Wednesday's sitting.
Men jeg vil gerne påpege, at andre steder i protokollen, nemlig side 1 om tilstede værelse i mødesalen af bevæbnede personer og side 14 om et formelt mødes status indeholder protokol len også formandens svar.
How ever, I would point out that in the case of the other minutes, namely the minute on page 1, about whether armed personnel would be in the Chamber, and the minute on page 13 about the status of a formal sitting, the minutes also contain the President's reply.
Formanden bekræftede faktisk, at det ikke ville være en del af protokollen.
The President Jakobsen did in fact confirm that it would not be part of the Minutes of Proceedings.
Det mener jeg bør tilføjes.
I think this should be added.
Der står f.eks. på side 14 efter mit spørgsmål, at »formanden satte denne for tolkning af forretningsordenen under afstemning«.
It does say, for instance, on page 13 after my question, that 'the President put this interpretation of the Rules on Procedure to the vote'.
Formanden. — Jeg tager det ad notam, hr. Balfe. Vi skal rette os efter det.
On page 1 it says that the President gave an assurance that
von der Vring (S). — (DE) Fru formand, inden vi stemmer om anmodninger om uopsættelig forhand ling, hører vi normalt en anbefaling af det fra et udvalgsmedlem.
Dame Shelagh Roberts, Chairman of the Committee on External Economic Relations. — Madam President, the House approved the report on this regulation very recently.
Forslag fra Kommissionen til Rådet (dok. C 2-23/85 — KOM(85) 173 endel.) til forordning om ændring af von der Vring (S). — (DE) Fru formand, et sagkyndigt medlem af forsamlingen burde anbefale os at
What the Council is now seeking to do is to postpone its implementation from August of this year
85 von der Vring stemme for eller imod.
Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy, on the production and supply of iron ore in the Community (Doc. A 2-21/85).
Ellers vil jeg være nødt til at afvise det.
In the absence of one I shall have to reject the proposal.
Gautier (S). — (DE) Fru formand, jeg er normalt slet ikke så fintfølende eller småtskåren.
Mr Gautier (S). — (DE) Madam President, I am not usually so fussy and finicky.
Men i protokol len fra i går står der på side 15 kun, at anmodningen begrundes med, at » Rådet skulle træffe afgørelse om dette forslag inden den 30. juni 1985«.
But page 14 of yesterday's minutes says only that 'urgency was justified by the fact that the Council was required to take a decision on this proposal before 30 June 1985'.
Mig interesse rer nu blot, hvad der engentlig står i forslaget.
What I want to know is just what the proposal says.
Hvis ingen kan fortælle mig det, vil jeg foreslå, at vi først stemmer om det kl. 15, så vi kan nå at læse dokumentet. mentet.
If no one can tell me, I would suggest we do not vote on it until 3 p.m. when we have had a chance to read this document.
er denne udvikling, hvis ekonomiske og samfund smæssige konsekvenser vi kender, endnu ikke af sluttet.
When I started work as a young economist for the ECSC, there were still 29 000 people employed in ore mining in Lorraine, the Community's largest iron ore field.
Inden længe vil yderligere 800 arbejdspladser blive nedlagt alene i Lorraine.
A further 800 jobs are soon to be lost in Lorraine alone, and this will be a further blow to the Com munity's iron ore mining industry.
Det bliver et nyt slag for produktionen af jernmalm i Fællesskabet. Jeg iler med at gore opmærksom på. at denne udvikling ikke kan undgå at ove indflydelse på denne regions jernindustri, hvis placering i sin tid i stort omfang blev valgt på grund af jernmalmlejernes nærhed.
This trend, I hasten to add, is bound to have repercussions on the steel industry in the region, which originally grew up there largely because of the availability of local ore supplies.
Fru Vayssade handlede rigtigt, da hun i august i fjor rette de en appel til Parlamentet og Kommissionen i et forslag til beslutning, hvori hun anmodede dem om ikke at forblive uvirksomme i denne situation.
How right Mrs Vayssade was last August to table a motion for a resolution calling upon the Parliament and the Commission not to remain inactive in the face of this situation.
Formanden. — Hr. Gautier, vi har hørt en taler for og en anden imod; jeg er nu forpligtet til at gå til afstemning. ning.
President. — Mr Gautier, we have heard one speaker for and one against; I am now bound to proceed to the vote.
(Anmodningen blev ikke imødekommet)
(Parliament rejected urgency)
Gautier (S). — (DE) Fru formand, måske er det virkelig en hastesag.
Mr Gautier (S). — (DE) Madam President, perhaps this really is a matter of urgency.
Jeg tror ikke, min gruppe har stemt imod, fordi den er imod indholdet.
I do not think my Group voted against because it disagrees with the con tent.
Vi kender ganske simpelt ikke indholdet.
We just do not know what the content is.
Hvis De nu vil gøre et nyt forsøg og fortælle os, hvad indholdet i det hele taget er, kunne vi sandsynligvis stemme for uopsættelig forhandling, når den var begrundet.
If you would like to try again and tell us what the content is all about we can probably vote in favour of treating the matter as urgent, if the reasons are adequate.
Men da vi ikke kender indholdet, stemte vi imod.
But since we do not know what the content is, we have voted against.
Formanden. — Ja, det har vi fattet, hr. Gautier ( ' ).
President. — Mr Gautier, that is well understood.1
Den betænkning, som jeg har den ære at forelægge for Dem. bekræfter alvoren af den situation, hvori Fællesskabets produktion af jernmalm befinder sig nu.
The report which I have the honour to present to you confirms the gravity of the situation now confronting the iron ore mining industry in the Community.
Uden at komme ind på betænkningens enkeltheder finder jeg det ikke desto mindre nødvendigt at frem hæve nogle grundlæggende konstateringer.
With out wishing to go into the details of my report, I nevertheless feel that it is necessary to draw particular attention to a number of fundamental observations.
Indledningsvis vil jeg gerne understrege, at jernmalmproblemet hovedsagelig berører Lorraines jernminer.
The first point to be stressed is that, in discussing the problems of this industry, we are basically talking about the iron ore mines in Lorraine.
Med en årlig produktion på 14 millioner tons repræsenterer disse miner næsten 90% af den samlede mængde jernmalm, der udvindes inden for Det europæiske Fællesskabs område.
With an annual output of 14 million tonnes, they account for almost 90% of the total tonnage of iron ore extracted in the Community as a whole.
I den forbindelse bør man ikke overse de virkninger, det medfører for denne grænseegn, idet tilbagegangen for Lorraines jernminer fra tager denne traditionelt stålproducerende egn det grundlag, der er en følge af minernes nærhed.
In this connection, the implications for the steel industry in this border region are not to be overlooked, since the decline of iron ore production in Lorraine means that this traditional steelmaking region is losing its mining base.
Det er et fænomen, hvis virkninger bliver følelige ud over grænserne, idet Lorraines og Luxembourgs jernindustri til trods for nedgangen i mængden af produceret malm i vidt omfang er blevet forsynet med lokalt udvundet jernmalm.
The repercussions of this extend beyond the frontier since, although the level of iron ore output is falling, locally produced ore has continued to account for a consider able proportion of the supplies used by the steel industry in both Lorraine and Luxembourg.
Formanden. — Næste punt på dagsordenen er be tænkning (dok A 2-21/85) af Mühlen for udvalget om økonomi, valutaspørgsmål og industripolitik om pro duktionen og forsyningen af jernmalm i EF.
President. — The next item is the report by Mr Mühlen, drawn up on behalf of the Committee on
Da jeg som ung nationaløkonom kom ind i EKSF, beskæftigede produktionen af jernmalm endnu 29 000 ansatte i Lorraine, der var Fællesskabets største produktionsområde.
Secondly, allow me to run through the main factors which have influenced the decline of the iron ore min-
(') Aktuel og uopsættelig debat (bekendtgørelse) : se protokollen.
Topical and urgent debate (announcement): see Minutes.
For det første bør man gøre alt for at beskytte de ansatte mod de uheldige følger af denne sektors tilbagegang.
ing industry in the European Community.
Udvalget om økonomi, valutaspørgsmål og industripolitik føler sig for øvrigt forpligtet til at anmode Kommissionen om at undersøge konsekvenserne for jernindustrien af ændringerne inden for forsyningen med jernmalm.
The key factors are the low iron content in EEC ore, the lack of tangible results from research aimed at enrichment of ore from deposits in the Community and from Lorraine in-particular, the sharp rise in workable iron ore reserves elsewhere in the world, and the steady fall in freight rates.
Udvalget er sig bevidst, at det her drejer sig om et spørgsmål, der for eksempel for Lorraines jernmalm går ud over de nationale grænser, hvorfor det følgelig bør behandles for produktionsområdet som helhed på tværs af grænserne.
Finally, the authorities should be aware that the imposition of abnormal charges on the mines, such as those enumerated in my report, will not be conducive to the mining of iron ore under optimum conditions.
Jeg repræsenterer her en region, Lorraine, der i øje blikket leverer 90 % af Europas jernmalm og dermed er jernmalmproduktionens sidste bastion inden for Fællesskabet.
Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, these are the considerations which I would ask you to keep in mind when you are called upon to adopt the conclusions set out in my report.
Hidtil har det virket, som om jernminerne var EKSFs stedbarn til trods for, at de hænger nøje sammen med stålpolitikken, og at det er deres beliggenhed i Lorraine, der har dannet grundlaget for påbegyndelsen af denne egns stålindustri.
However, when making a judgment on the situation in the Community's iron ore mines, recognition must be given to the efforts which have been made to cope with increased competition from iron ore imported from other countries, and in particular to the improve ment in productivity, which in Lorraine rose from 12 tonnes per man shift in 1960 to 48 tonnes per man shift in 1983, a fourfold increase in 23 years.
Kravet om indsats af finansielle midler til sikring af den sociale tilpasning af den arbejdskraft, der berøres af nedlæggelserne og omstillingen af disse områders aktivitet, skal selvfølgelig ikke fortolkes derhen, at jernminderne ikke længere har nogen fremtidsmuligheder. Nej, mulighederne for fortsat at kunne udnytte en del af kapaciteten består fremdeles; jeg siger ud trykkeligt »en del af kapaciteten«, idet jeg ikke vil benytte udtryk som strategiske reserver eller forsyningssikkerhed, som Kommissionen ikke bryder sig om.
Mrs Vayssade (S). — (FR) Madam President, let me say first of all what a pity it is that the vagaries of our agenda have caused this debate to be carried over to today, because yesterday afternoon there was a party of iron ore miners' trade union representatives from Lorraine in the galleries, and they would have been interested to hear what is going to be said about their future.
Men det vil kun kunne lade sig gøre, hvis man ikke skyr nogen anstrengelser for at skære ned på driftsomkostningerne. Det er den pris, der må betales for rentabiliteten, et begreb som en række af udvalgets medlemmer har bedt mig om ikke at tabe af syne.
Next I should like to express my satisfaction at the acceptance by the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy of the motion for a resolution that I had tabled, and to thank Mr Mühlen for the thorough job that he has made of his report.
For det første er der kravet om den helt nødvendige fastholdelse af jernminernes aktivitet og af produktionen af malm.
First of all, everything must be done to protect the workers concerned from the repercussions of the decline of this industry.
I denne forbindelse kunne jeg ønske, at Parlamentet ville vedtage det af os stillede ændringsforslag nr. 1, der bekræfter det, hr. Mühlen netop har sagt.
It appreciates that, in the case of supplies from Lorraine, for instance, this is a problem which transcends national frontiers and that it should therefore be examined in terms of the whole of this steelmaking area straddling national borders.
For det andet kravet om en forskningspolitik, der skal videreføres og udbygges med henblik på udnyttelse af de europæiske forekomster af jernmalm.
I represent a region, Lorraine, which now supplies 90% of the iron ore mined in Europe and which is therefore the last bastion of iron ore production in the Community.
Det første forskningsarbejde har givet flere resultater, end man fortæller os.
It seems to me that the iron ore mines have hitherto been the poor relations of the ECSC, whereas they must be an important part of any policy on steel and it was their very existence in Lorraine which provided the foundation for the development of the steel industry in the region.
Endelig bør myndighederne være sig det forhold be vidst, at en unormalt stor omkostningsbelastning af jernminerne som nævnt i betænkningen ikke letter produktionen af jernmalm under optimale vilkår.
Clearly, a call for financial resources to be provided for retraining of workers affected by closures and the development of alternative industries in these areas is not to be interpreted as an admission that the iron ore mines there have no future.
For det tredje kravet om hensyntagen til de aktive og de pensionerede minearbejderes skæbne og kravet om hensyntagen til regionen og de berørte minedistrikter.
I refer to certain capacities because I am loth to use such terms as strategic reserve or security of supply, since the Commission has frowned on use of these expressions.
Jernminerne, der allerede er ramt af krisen og af stålindustriens omstrukturering, er ved at blive til et dramatisk problem for Lorraine.
This will be possible as long as no effort is spared in reducing operating costs to the min imum.
Hjælp til om stillingsprocessen bør ydes i alle de tilfælde, hvor det er helt umuligt at holde en mine i gang, og denne støtte til omstillingsforanstaltningerne skal planlægges forud for lukningen.
Only if this is done will these capacities be profitable — a consideration which various committee members urged me not to overlook.
Vayssade (S). — (FR) Fru formand, først og frem mest beklager jeg. at dagsordenens tilfældigheder har
First, the essential requirement to keep the mines open and producing ore. This is not merely to safeguard jobs but to maintain a minimum degree of security for Europe.
Jeg tror derfor, at vi ved hjælp af det af mig stillede ændringsforslag både kan imødekomme de sociale krav og ønsket om politisk realisme.
Second, the requirement for a research policy to be pursued and intensified on the utilization of European ore reserves.
Om disse forskellige punkter vil jeg gerne have klare svar og Løfter fra Kommissionen.
Having already suffered repercussions from the crisis and the restructuring of the steel industry, the iron ore mines are becoming a tragic problem for Lorraine.
Jeg vil også gerne have, at den undersøgelse, der skal gennemføres, må komme til at omfatte skrotmarkedet, for det er ikke noget universalmiddel at gå i gang med et stålværk, der skal arbejde på basis af skrot.
Aid for redevelopment should be provided wherever it becomes absolutely impossible to keep a mine open, and the arrangements for aid and redevelopment should be in place even before a closure occurs.
Jeg gør mig til talsmand for, at Fællesskabet ikke uoverlagt og uden at have tænkt over alle konsekvenserne af et sådant offer opgiver de sidste jernminer.
Conse quently, strongly as I would recommend action by the Community to assist industrial redevelopment and renewal and to help meet the social costs, money must not be wasted on industries which have no longterm future.
Herman (PPE). — (FR) Fru formand, kære kolleger, hr. Mühlens udmærkede betænkning giver os meget værdifulde oplysninger om det emne, vi i dag be handler.
In order to deal with the problems of these areas it is necessary for the integrated development scheme planned for Lorraine to be brought forward and per haps for other forms of action, such as transfrontier projects to develop new industries, to be devised.
Dels er der rigeligt med jernmalm i verden : reserverne er tredoblet i løbet af fem år og anslås til at udgøre hundrede gange det nuværende produktionsniveau.
The French steel industry is under a considerable handicap in comparison to the German steel industry, for instance, because France imports only 65% of its ore supplies while Germany imports 99%.
Dels er producentlandene godt fordelt.
This makes a big difference in production costs.
Der findes åbne lejer i Australien, Sydafrika, Mauritanien, Brasilien, Canada og Sverige for slet ikke at tale om østlandene.
Not only have supplies of iron ore become very abundant in the world — proven reserves have trebled in five years and are estimated to amount to over 100 times the current level of production — but in addition the producer countries are very evenly spread, with open-cast mines in Australia, South Africa, Mauritania, Brazil, Canada and Sweden, not to mention countries in Eastern Europe.
Cassidy (ED). — (EN) Fru formand, jeg vil gerne til slutte mig dem, der har rost hr. Mühlen for hans for træffelige betækning.
Mr Cassidy (ED). — Madam President, I should like to add my voice to those that have praised Mr Mühlen for this excellent report.
Meget af det, jeg ville sige, er allerede blevet dækket af hr. Mühlen selv og af hr. Herman.
Much of what I wanted to say has already been covered both by Mr Mühlen himself and by Mr Herman.
Imidlertid vil jeg gerne tilføje to korte be mærkninger.
However, I would just like to add two brief points.
Først et svar på det, fru Vayssade sagde om disponibiliteten af skrot.
First, in response to the point made by Mrs Vayssade on the question of the availability of scrap.
Der er fremkommet vis se forkerte oplysninger på en horing, som udvalget om økonomi, valutaspørgsmål og industripolitik for nylig holdt vedrørende disponibiliteten af og priserne på skrot.
There has been a certain amount of misinformation in a recent hearing that the Committee on Econo mic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy held on the availability of scrap and the price of it.
Man forsikrer mig, at der ikke er problemer med disponibiliteten af skrot, og at vi også bor be tragte det som et vigtigt og vedvarende alternativt råmateriale for stålindustrien.
I am assured that there is no problem about the availability of scrap and that we should also regard this as an important and continuing alternative raw material for the steel industry.
I øvrigt et råmateriale, der kan omdannes til stål, meget billigere og mere fleksibelt end jernmalm, idet skrot som bekendt smeltes i elektriske lysbueovne, som kan slukkes eller tændes alt efter behov, medens jernmalm kræver højovne, som er kapital- og arbejdsintensive, og som man er nødt til at holde i gang dognct rundt.
A raw material, incidentally, which can be converted into steel much more economically and flexibly than iron ore because, as you know, scrap is smelted in the electric arc furnace which can be turned on or off depending upon availability, whereas iron ore needs blast furnaces which are capital and labour intensive and need to be kept going twentyfour hours out of twenty-four.
Følgelig forekommer mulighederne for, at der dannes et kartel som OPEC, os at være yderst begrænsede.
We therefore consider the chances of the formation of a cartel along the lines of OPEC to be very remote.
Endvidere er de relative priser uophørligt faldet.
Moreover, prices have been coming down steadily in relative terms.
Der for er det vanskeligt at begrunde vor indsats for disse miner med forsyningssikkerheden.
It is accordingly difficult to see how the efforts that we should be making on behalf of these mines can be justified in terms of security of supply.
Endvidere er Lorraines småminer overordentlig følsomme.
In addition, the Lorraine minette ores are particularly vulnerable.
De har fuldstændig mistet konkurrenceevnen. Således ligger deres jernindhold på 35% mod 6065% for den importerede jernmalm.
They have lost all competitiveness, having an iron content of only about 35%, compared with between 60% and 65% in imported ores.
Som det alle rede er blevet påpeget, er der ingen mangel på jernmalm i verden, og der er bestemt ingen mangel på skrot som et alternativ til jernmalm.
They also contain phosphorus, which makes them unsuitable for use in electric furnaces, and all attempts at enrichment have proved either costly or unreliable.
Og endelig kræver anvendelsen af malmen fra Lorraines småminer et merforbrug af koks i højovnene på ca. 150 kg pr. ton.
Finally, using Lorraine minette ores in blast furnaces involves additional coke consumption of about 150 kg