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Hvis Kommissionen og Rådet, hvad jeg tror, de gør, finder ud af, at der bør gøres noget for at honorere vore
It is certainly also a very important political argument, if only because of the difficult precedent that not abiding by it could create in this field, as in other fields of cooperation. tion.
Og jeg mener, at vi her har en mulighed for at bringe denne sag i orden via et tillægsbudget, hvor vi bruger p.m.'et. Der er kolleger i gruppen, og jeg er enig med dem, som altid siger, at når vi foreslår ekstraudgifter, må vi også foreslå, hvor pengene skal komme fra.
Pearce will do far more good for the Third World than money spent on food aid, except in the case of disaster areas, and if pressed to find an area of saving, I per sonally would go for that area, because I believe that in terms of the effectiveness of expenditure, that is where we can most benefit.
Hvordan vil vi nogen sinde gennemføre denne udvidelse af STABEX, som vi var så stolte af, og ved hvis vugge Parlamentet egentlig har stået. For vi har som de første udkastet tanken om at indføre denne STABEX-ordning som et led i associeringsaftalen med landene i Afrika, Vestindien og Stillehavet.
As to the substance of the issue, Mr President, I think we can take comfort from the fact that this is one of the most successful aspects of the Lomé Convention.
Denne tanke har slået rødder; den er overtaget af medlemsstaterne og Kommissionen og er nu nedfældet i det, vi kalder den anden Lomé-konven-tion.
It is one of the bedrocks of the Convention — one of those things which has been most helpful in benefiting the ACP countries and in helping them to stand upon their own two feet.
Cohen. — (NL) Hr. formand, efter at jeg først har haft ordet som stedfortræder for hr. Bersani, taler jeg nu på den socialistiske gruppes vegne, og jeg kan ikke andet end lige komme ind på det, som hr. Richard netop har sagt Kommissionen sagde, at den ikke kan acceptere bebrejdelserne fra Parlamentet og udvalget om udvikling og samarbejde.
I can do no more than take up what Mr Richard has just said. The Commission has said that it cannot accept the criticism voiced by Par liament and the Committee on Development and Cooperation.
For i begyndelsen af april havde der allerede fundet et samråd sted, et par dage senere var der et dokument til rådighed, og den 29. april fortsattes drøftelsen.
Consultations took place in early April, it says, a few days later a document became available, and on 29 April the discussions continued.
Det drejer det sig natur ligvis ikke om.
This is not, of course, the point.
Det drejer sig om kvaliteten af oplysningerne.
The point is the quality of the information.
De oplysninger, som medlemmer af Forbundsrepublikken Tysklands forbundsdag har fået om samme STABEX-problem — måske interesserer det Dem, hr. Richard, og jeg kan give Dem en fotokopi — er noget helt andet end det, som Kommissionen hidtil har meddelt os under udvalgsmøderne.
The information which the Members of the Bundestag in the Federal Republic of Germany received on the Stabex problem — this may interest you, Mr Richard; I can let you have a photocopy — is rather different from what the Commission has so far told us at our committee meetings.
Vi ved stadig væk ikke noget, i det mindste ikke offi cielt, men vi kan vel gætte, hvilke lande der nu egentlig har indgivet ansøgninger om STABEX-støtte for 1981, hvilke beløb det egentlig drejer sig om, hvilke lande der har ansøgt om mere end andre, hvilke produkter det drejer sig om, osv. .. .
We still do not know, at least not officially, but we can guess, which countries have submitted applications for Stabex aid for 1981, what amounts are involved, which countries have asked for more than others, which products are concerned and so on.
Alt dette ved vi ikke.
We do not know any of this.
Kommissionen har kun generelt sagt, at der igen i 1981 viser sig et problem ligesom det forudgående år, da vi oplevede de første vanske ligheder med STABEX.
The Commission has merely said in very general terms that, as in the previous year, a problem arose in 1981 when we experienced the first difficulties with Stabex.
Allerede dengang havde udvalget om udvikling og samarbejde advaret om, at det ikke ville blive ved denne ene gang, og at det af verdensmarkedets kurs fremgik, at der sandsynligvis også ville opstå vanskeligheder igen i år.
Even then our Committee on Development and Cooperation was warning that that would not be the only time, that the way the world market was going, it was likely that difficulties would occur again this year.
Dengang hørte vi fra Kommissionens side kun beroligende ord : Det ville blive ved denne ene gang, der var ingen virkelige problemer i vende.
All we then had from the Commission were reassuring words: it would be just the once, no real problems were likely to arise.
Men nu sidder vi igen midt i disse vanskeligheder.
But here we are, in the middle of these difficulties.
Men det er jo ikke problemet, hr. Richard, problemet er af politisk karakter. Ønsker vi STABEX eller, og jeg bliver nu ligefrem kynisk, ønsker vi noget andet?
We should therefore like to hear from the Commission what now has to be done, precisely what it intends to do and how it sees the future of Stabex.
For hvis der ingen penge er, må vi begrænse os til at gennemføre Kommissionens forslag, nemlig tilbagebetaling af de fordringer, som vi jo endnu har på AVS-staterne, overførsler fra det ene år til det andet i håbet om, at verdensmarkedspriserne falder yderligere, og at problemet løser sig selv gennem dette fald.
How does it intend to achieve what was said at last year's Paris conference on the least developed countries, that Stabex must not be confined solely to the Convention of Lomé but extended to all the least developed countries, that is, the 31 countries on the United Nations list, 20 of which are parties to the Convention of Lomé.
Hvis vi derfor kun holder fast ved det tilstrækkelig længe, behøver der måske ved periodens afslutning overhovedet ikke mere at blive betalt noget.
It seems that thoughts are about that we could take unspent money from earlier European Development Funds, shuffle them round to Member States and somehow make up the quota EDF that way.
Det er en kynisk løsning af problemet: Problemet løser sig af sig selv.
I think that might be a very dangerous course.
Vi har altid ment, at STABEX, og det anbefalede vi også, var bedre end den såkaldte kompenserende IMF-finansiering.
There is, as of this year, a p.m. entry in the budget for Stabex — this year for the first time.
Vi har forsvaret STABEX på internationalt plan, og da jeg i min beslutning om Paris konferencen vovede at foreslå at udvide STABEX til alle de mindst udviklede lande og at anmode Kommissionen om også at undersøge IMF-ordningen, fordi der måske også kunne ligge en løsning deri, var Kommissionens reaktion afværgende: »Med IMF har vi intet at gøre, STABEX er vort sidste ord«.
If the Commission and Council conclude, as I believe they will, that some thing will have to be done to honour our moral and political undertakings to the beneficiary countries, then I would like to see some money coming out of the Community budget to make up this deficit.
Det erklærede Kommissionen; og nu sidder vi allerede for andet år i træk i vanskeligheder. Vi kan ikke bagatellisere disse vanskeligheder og gøre, som om der ikke er noget i vejen.
It is about time, and I know the Commission accepts this point, Member States do not, that this kind of expenditure was brought properly within the scope of parliamentary and democratic control.
Vi kan ikke forsøge gennem en række regnskabsmæssige øvelser at komme ud af vanskelighederne, først i år, derefter næste år og året derefter, og så behøver man det måske ikke mere. Men endnu engang, det politiske problem eksisterer stadig i fuld størrelse.
And I believe that we have an opportunity here in the possibility of a supplementary budget item using the p.m. entry to make this good.
Hvad ønsker vi, hvad er vi rede til, og hvad kan vi eventuelt gøre for at sørge for, at det ikke kommer så vidt?
Colleagues in this group always say, and I agree with them, that if we propose extra expenditure we should propose where it should come from.
Ordet tillægsbudget er allerede faldet, og vi ved allerede nu, at der skal være yderligere penge til rådighed til føde-
Well, Mr President, if we are faced with that, I believe that, pound or ECU for ECU, money spent on Stabex
Vi vil derfor gerne af Kommissionen have at vide, hvad der nu egentlig skal ske, hvad den nøjagtigt ønsker, og hvordan den ser på fremtiden for
How do we ever intend to achieve this extension of Stabex, of which we were so proud and for whose establishment this Parliament was in fact responsible, because we were the first to float the idea of including the Stabex system in our association agreement with
Cohe varehjælp til Mellemamerika. Hvorfor så ikke til STABEX?
Cohen has been printed and distributed as Doc.
Gruppen af kommunister og beslægtede har ordet.
I call the Communist and Allies Group.
De skal have besked om betydningen for vore AVS-partnere af eksporten af råvarer, som er en arv fra kolonitiden.
It was adopted by the Member States and by the Commission and has now found its legitimacy in what we call Lomé Convention II.
Vi skal fortælle, at disse lande bruger pengene til at finansiere skoler, hospitaler og indkøb af fødevarer. Det er den første konklusion, som jeg ønskede at drage.
And this is already the second time in the life of Lomé II that we face these difficulties. There is not enough money available.
Den anden konklusion kan udledes af den første.
This is not a situation that should cause us any surprise.
Det er på tide, at der gøres en ende på verdensmarkedernes anarki. Fællesskabet har et særligt ansvar og bør tage de fornødne initiativer i så henseende for at sikre den fælles fonds funktion og sørge for forhandling af retfærdige produktaftaler.
Already at the Consultative Assembly in September 1981, my friend Mr Jacques Denis was saying, as indeed was the rapporteur Mr Insanally, that Stabex was not only a victim of the economic crisis but was actually in danger of collapsing.
Fællesskabet skal vælge mellem AVS-landenes befolkningers interesser og de handelsinteresser, som jeg for lidt siden var inde på.
The ACP-EEC Con sultative Assembly had insistently to point out the seriousness of the problems facing Stabex, while the Commission argued that they were due to the economic situation and rejected our proposals to increase the Fund's resources.
For at vende tilbage til STABEX — og det er min tredje og sidste konklusion — understreger den fore liggende situation ordningens begrænsninger.
The resolution put forward on behalf of the Com mittee on Development and Cooperation rightly emphasizes the political importance of this issue and even goes so far as to state that 'it is the credibility of the Convention of Lomé and the Community's development policy that is in question'.
For det første ved at udruste den med større pengemidler.
In fact, Stabex was widely advertised as the most original and the newest mechanism to come out of the Convention of Lomé.
Dernæst ved at ændre dens mekanismer, som mine kolleger igennem flere år har rettet grundlæggende kritik mod.
At the time, my friends had stressed its limitations, pointing out what is glaringly obvious today, namely that Stabex is having no effect whatever on the operation of world markets, that is to say on the domination of them by what are euphemistically referred to as operators of the world trade in agricultural products.
Alle er klar over, at STABEX-ansøgningerne fra vore AVS-partnere i 1980 kun er blevet imødekommet for halvdelens vedkommende, og at situationen i 1981, således som kommissionsmedlemmet selv understregede det, var endnu mere alvorlig, idet ansøgningerne udgjorde rundt regnet fire gange de til rådighed stående midler. Denne situation kan imidlertid næppe overraske os.
Do we want Stabex or, and I am becoming cynical now, do we want something else? Because if there is no money and if we limit our selves to implementing the Commission's proposals, which would mean paying back claims we still have on the ACP States, carrying over money from one year to the next in the hope that world market prices will drop further and that this will result in the problem solving itself.
Den rådgivende Forsamling-AVS-EØF understregede i øvrigt STABEX-krisens alvor, mens Kommissionen holdt sig til påstanden om konjunkturvanskelighederne, og den udtalte sig imod vort forslag om forøgelse af fond smidlerne.
We have defended Stabex at international level, and when I dared to suggest in my resolution on the Paris confer ence that Stabex should be extended to all the least developed countries and to ask the Commission to study the IMF system because it might provide a solution, the Commission reacted disparagingly: 'We have nothing to do with the IMF, Stabex is our last word.' That was what the Commission said.
Desværre tillader tiden mig ikke at uddybe dette spørgsmål.
And now for the second year in succession we are in difficulty.
Men jeg vil tro, at en bred forhandling i fortsættelse af dagens forhandling vil være en nødvendighed for vor forsamling.
We cannot try to get out of the financial difficulties with various accounting exercises, first this year, then next year and the year after, and perhaps there will be no need after that.
Alle er klar over betydningen og uopsætteligheden deraf og ikke mindst over vore AVS-partneres forventninger.
What do we intend to do, what are we prepared to do and what can we do to ensure that it does not get to that stage?
Den for udvalget om udvikling og samarbejde frem satte beslutning understreger med rette dette spørgsmåls politiske betydning og går endda så vidt som til at anføre, at »det er Lomé-konventionens troværdighed og Fællesskabets udviklingspolitik, der står på spil«.
Mention has already been made of a supplementary budget, and we already know that additional money will be available for food aid and for Central America.
Vi deler fuldt ud disse opfattelser.
Why not for Stabex then?
Faktisk er STABEX i vidt "omfang blevet omtalt som værende den mest originale og nyskabende mekanisme i Lomé-konventionerne.
Think about it in the Commission, because this may be a solution.
I dag må STABEX betale prisen for disse handelsfolks frihed til at spekulere på bekostning af dem, der producerer varerne.
President. — I have received a motion for a resolution by Mr Poniatowski, on behalf of the Committee on Development and Cooperation, with request for an early vote — that is without referral to committee — to wind up the debate.
For øvrigt kan man hengive sig til
This motion for a resolution
Man vil så gøre gældende, at det er et budgetspørgsmål, men der er valg, der ud over deres juridiske aspekt indebærer politiske implikationer, hvis betydning vi ikke kan være uvidende om.
Today Stabex is paying the price of the freedom of these operators to speculate at the expense of the com modities producers.
Selvfølgelig skal man træffe disse valg, selv om det kræver en vis forestillingsevne. Men Kommissionen har jo vist, at den er i stand til at
One wonders in fact whether these operators are not indirecly appropriating for themselves a part of the Stabex fund since it is they who are cashing in on fluctuations in prices rather than the benefits being passed on to consumers in the countries of the Community, who are apparently unaware of the drop in producer prices for coffee, cocoa and groundnuts.
Vi ved allesammen udmærket godt, at der i år ligesom sidste år er sparet store beløb inden for EUGFL garantisektion. Hvad foreslog Kommissionen sidste år?
Turning to my colleagues, I should like to emphasize as strongly as I can that public opinion in our countries must be told about this situation, which is reach ing scandalous proportions.
Dette forslag har Parlamentet fremsat; De skulle have gennemført det.
Our peoples have to be told of the consequences for the producer countries of a collapse in the price of cocoa or groundnuts.
Irmer. — (DE) Fru formand, når kommissæren før sagde, at han eller Kommissionen har gjortsit yderste for at samarbejde med Parlamentet og holde Parlamentet løbende orienteret om denne sag, kaster dette et meget trist lys over Kommissionens indstilling med hensyn til samarbejde med Parlamentet og underretning af dette.
They have to be told of the importance for our ACP partners of their exports of raw products which they have inherited from a history that is still quite recent.
Under sidste mødeperiode måtte vi vedtage — og det faldt os ikke let — at vi ikke ville meddele Dem decharge, men at vi ville udsætte denne afgørelse.
They have to be told that it is this money that they use to finance their schools, their hospitals and their food purchases.
Efter det fik vi store løfter at høre.
That is the first point I wanted to make.
Efter alt, hvad jeg nu igen hører fra Dem, må jeg sige, at vor afgørelse var rigtig.
It is high time that the anarchy on the world markets was halted.
Hvad er der da sket?
What has happened?
I 1980 var der mangler ved STABEX, og vi var meget bestyrtede over dette i 1981. Det meddelte vi Kommissionen.
In 1980, there were gaps in Stabex and in 1981 we were extremely concerned about that.
Den svarede, at der var tale om et enkeltstående tilfælde, at det var første gang, det var forekommet, og at det ikke ville forekomme igen, hvis det på nogen måde var muligt at undgå det.
It replied that that was a unique instance, it was the first time it had happened and would not happen again if humanly possible.
Den 31. marts 1982 sender Kommissionen så Rådet denne meddelelse.
On 31 March 1982, the Commission sent this communication to the Council.
Ganske vist under rettede den mundtligt udvalget om udvikling og samarbejde herom et par dage efter, men skriftligt først den 22.4.
It did inform the Com mittee on Development and Cooperation of the fact verbally a few days afterwards but did not inform it in writing until 22 April.
Det er uforståeligt, at der skulle gå en måned.
It is impossible to see how one month had to elapse!
Men indtil dette tidspunkt har Kommissionen ladet Parlamentet forblive i den tro, at alt var i orden, og at dens forsikring fra 1981 gående ud på, at der ikke længere var problemer med STABEX, var rigtig.
Up to that time, however, the Commission had let Parliament continue to believe that everything was in order and that its assurance of 1981 that there were no more problems with Stabex was still valid.
Hr. Richard, sådan forestiller jeg mig ikke den måde, hvorpå Kommissionen skal orientere Parlamentet.
To come back to Stabex — and this will be my third and final point — the situation we have at present serves to underline its limitations.
Gør Dem venligst dette klart, tag sagen alvorligt, omgås ikke så, letfærdigt med Parlamentets beslutninger!
Commissioner Richard, that is not how I think the Commission should keep Parliament informed!
Formanden. — De europæiske fremskridtsdemokraters gruppe har ordet.
I do not, unfortunately, have the time to go into this more fully.
Flanagan. — (EN) Fru formand, det sker ikke ofte, at hele salen er enig, men det er helt tydeligt, at dette er en af disse sjældne lejligheder.
But I believe that a thorough debate, which will carry on from where this debate leaves off, will have to take place in this House.
Juridisk — siger De — er det alt sammen i orden, det, der nu bliver gjort, og det, De foreslår.
From the legal point of view, as you have said, every thing that is being done now and is proposed by you is in order.
At det politisk er en katastrofe er dog indlysende! Vi har prist STABEX-ordningen som en model, som bane brydende, som et eksempel på industrilandenes samarbejde med udviklingslandene.
Quite clearly, however, it is a political disaster!
Når det nu viser sig, at de fordringer, der helt igennem er berettigede, kun er blevet opfyldt med en fjerdedel, er dette dog den bitreste skuffelse, som man kan tilføje de udvik lingslande, der er henvist til disse udbetalinger.
If, as it now turns out, only a quarter of the applications — which are thoroughly justified — can be paid, that is the bitterest disappointment which can be wished upon the developing countries, which depend on these payments.
Det er en falliterklæring for vor ordning.
That means that we are declaring our system to be bankrupt.
Og nu siger De, at vi skal klare dette med et eller andet trick, som De har foreslået os !
Then you say to us that the situation is now to be rectified by some tricks or other which you have proposed!
Derfor insisterede vi på, at der på budgettet for 1982 blev opført et p.m. i forbindelse hermed.
For that reason, we insisted that a pro memoria entry be included in the 1982 budget for this purpose.
Nu opfordrer jeg endnu en gang Kommissionen til at orientere sin politik efter budgettet. Se på
Now I call upon the Commission once more to look again at its policy on the budget.
Dem om, at noget sådant ville være mod samtlige parlamentsmedlemmers og gruppers ønske. Det ville også kaste et kedeligt skær over de europæiske institutioners troværdighed hos vore AVS-venner, som har ret til at forlade sig på vor troværdighed, men næppe i fremtiden kan forventes at ville gøre dette, hvis man virkelig følger den kurs, som Kommissionen hidtil har fulgt, og som kommissær Richard desværre på en andens vegne bekræftede.
indeed take ways out; we can let the whole thing fade away into desuetude and I can assure you that if that is done it will be against the wishes of all the Members of this Parliament and of all groups in this Parliament.
Fru formand, mine damer og herrer, jeg agter ikke at gentage de argumenter, som på så udmærket vis er blevet fremsat af de tidligere talere.
So, Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, I do not propose to repeat the arguments so eloquently made by the previous speakers.
Det ville ikke tjene noget formål at sige mere, udover at jeg er fuld stændig enig i alt det, der indtil nu er sagt, og at jeg håber, at hele Kommissionen vil forstå oprigtigheden og vil værdsætte, at Parlamentet, hvad enten det har en rolle at spille eller ej er fast besluttet på at optræde værdigt både på egne og på Europas vegne.
It would not serve a useful purpose to say any more than that I profoundly agree to date and hope that the Commission as a whole will take to heart the sincerity and will appreciate the determination of this Parliament, with or without a function, to find a way of showing honour on our behalf and indeed on behalf of Europe.
Vor forhandling i dag finder sted forud for mødet i Libreville, og det er selvfølgelig ikke noget tilfælde.
In the last plenary session, we had to decide — and we did not do so lightly — not to grant you discharge but to postpone that decision.
Mødet i Libreville vil være en prøve for De Ti's samarbejdspolitik, men i betragtning af de nuværende vanskeligheder mellem Fællesskabet og AVS er jeg, alvorligt bange for, at prøvens udfald bliver negativt, ikke mindst når jeg betragter Kommissionens forslag og især det belgiske formandskabs forslag i henhold til de oplysninger, som jeg er i besiddelse af.
After all that I have heard you say again, I must say that our decision was the right one. If you continue in this manner and do not meet the require ments we imposed on you in the Key resolution better than you have done so far, I can make you the pro phesy that I, that my group will press in the Com mittee on Budgetary Control for a proposal to the House in plenary session that this time we do not merely delay discharge, but refuse to grant discharge altogether, with all the consequences which that may have.
de Courcy Ling. — (EN) Fru formand, modsat hr. Flanagan har jeg ikke ondt af hr. Richard, for jeg kan se, at han følger nøje med i forhandlingen og faktisk er velorienteret i denne sag.
Mr de Courcy Ling. — Madam President, unlike Mr Flanagan, I do not feel sorry for Mr Richard because I can see that he is following the debate closely and is in fact well experienced in these matters.
Han er særdeles velkvalificeret til på Kommissionens vegne at svare i denne forhandling.
He is indeed extremely well qualified to reply to this debate on behalf of the Commission.