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Derfor skal det her slås fast, at Kommissionen til trods for, at den var helt klar over følgerne af ordningens forsinkelse, ikke rettidigt bilagde de interne uoverensstemmelser og dermed bevidst affandt sig med omkostningsstigningen.
Mr Aigner (PPE), Chairman of the Committee on Budgetary Control. — (DE) Mr President, I think that first of all we should look again at the agenda and consider whether, in cases like the present, the Com mission should be allotted more time than Parliament. It is unacceptable!
Af den årsag bærer Kommissionen også hele ansvaret for ordningens uheldige udfald.
If there are to be debates like this, Parliament must be able to answer the Commission accordingly.
Så var der sagen med finansinspektøren. Jeg vil dertil sige, at det er underligt at fortælle os, at det ikke hører til 1982, for det ved vi godt.
Mr Thorn, President of the Commission. — (FR) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, let me reassure those still in need of reassurance — my speech will be very brief.
Men hvornår skulle vi egentlig have gjort noget ved det, når vi først i 1984 hører noget om sager fra 1978 og 1979? Vi ville gerne have hørt om dem i 1979, men det var desværre ikke muligt, og vi kan jo ikke skrue tiden tilbage.
Why? Not simply because of the question of six weeks which has received so much attention — far too much attention in my view; it will be brief in particular because I do not think this is the time, after the group meetings, to go over the details again.
Men jeg vil dog om den sag sige, at efter aftale med hr. Aigner og i øvrigt diskussion med politiske kolleger er jeg villig til at tage den sag ud af betænkningen, mod at vi med tiden og med de fornødne oplysninger kan gå den omhyggeligt igennem i budgetkontroludvalget.
On the contrary I should like to restrict my comments, as some speak ers have done, to the political aspects of the discus sion, since my colleague, Mr Tugendhat, has already dealt with the other aspects.
Det vil muligvis være en skuffelse for hr. Clinton, men så har vi da i hvert fald været imødekom mende.
I shall not, in spite of cer tain requests and in spite of my own wishes, be able to return to some points of criticism, since it would take too long and I hope that Mr Aigner will forgive me.
Nu er det i den indledende fase til afstemningen i dag ved flere lejligheder blevet indvendt fra Kommissionens side, at man ganske vist indrømmer fejlen, men beder Parlamentet tænke på, at det her drejer sig om et isoleret tilfælde, hvorfor man ikke må nægte at give decharge til Kommissionen for hele regnskabsår et 1982.
Mr Thorn, please, forgive me if, owing to lack of time, I express this somewhat harshly: what you offered us today was prayer-wheel mania. You repeated exactly the same thing over and over, even though we have already discussed it a hundred times in committee, and although the opinion of the Com mittee and of the Court of Auditors together is entirely contrary.
Denne argumentation kunne man støtte, hvis det skildrede forløb ikke var typisk for Kommissionens arbejdsstil.
What is the point of this constant repetition, when it has been refuted in discussion long ago?
Som forløbet af julesmørordningen for i år viser, har Kommissionen ikke lært noget af sin fejl dengang.
How can you as a newcomer say that everything that has been done is stupid?
Den, der mener det alvorligt med Europa-Parlamentets kontrolfunktion, kan derfor ikke give decharge til Kommissionen for 1982.
Quite simply you thereby denigrate the work which a committee had done over the years, with the support of your Group.
Boserup (COM), ordfører. — Hr. formand, jeg må jo være meget kortfattet, og når man er meget kortfattet, bliver man muligvis en smule grovere. Så er der ikke plads til de høflige ord.
Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, I shall comment on the text as it now stands, since I cannot tell what might happen as regards the various amendments.
Så har man bebrejdet mig meget, at vi skriver i gene relle vendinger om forvaltningen. Men det har jeg gjort med vilje, fordi jeg egentlig synes, at disse historier om fitness-centre og Ispra og den slags er en lille smule pinlige.
Mrs Scrivener, thank you very much for your remarks.
Det var vist nok noget, Hen des britiske Majestæt bad om at få lavet, og der står faktisk, hvad det er, jeg mener.
But if a parliament, or a group, is shocked, can that be remedied by reaching for the agenda and issuing a Persil coupon?
Jeg. har såmænd måttet sidde og læse den på engelsk.
There has clearly been a breakdown some where!
Den er ikke rettet imod mig.
I want this to be clear.
Det er en uenighed, vi har haft i årevis med Kommissionen. Den er indgået i betænkninger fra lord Bruce of Donington, hr. Battersby, hr. Schön osv. Hvor længe skal dette fortsætte?
In the circumstances I must emphasize that it is the body collegiate as such which is challenged, as provided by the Treaty, and not some of its members, as some members of this Assembly seem to wish.
For mig er det ganske underordnet, om der er seks uger eller seks måneder.
We are aware of the problems in the Socialist group.
Dette her har jeg lavet på grundlag af fakta og har derfor ikke interesseret mig for kalenderen.
I propose that we delete Paragraph 2 subparagraph c, i.e. that we take it out — France, Belgium and Denmark are involved, not just Great Britain, in four cases where visa was refused — and that it be dealt with in a separate report.
Opfordrer hr. Tugendhat os til at fordømme uden at have et reelt og omhyggeligt udarbejdet grundlag for for dømmelse?
Mr Tugendhat, and Mr Thorn, a final word to you, do you still stand by your view that Parliament is not entitled to see the ruling of the Court, on which your opinion is based, together with a decision which has to be subjected to Parliamentary control, even though the Commission, Mr Tugendhat, maintained the con trary four years ago?
Selvfølgelig kunne vi ikke gøre det den gang.
We have had no reply to this question.
Natur ligvis måtte vi afvente en ordentlig undersøgelse, og naturligvis fordømmer vi ikke Kommissionen på et
Anyone who does not now support this virtually unanimous decision of the Committee for Budgetary Con
Aigner {WE), formand for budgetkontroludvalget. — (DE) Hr. formand, for det første tror jeg, forretningsordenen bør gennemgås med hensyn til, om det er rigtigt, at Kommissionen i et sådant tilfælde har længere tid til rådighed end Parlamentet. Den går ikke!
There would be a misuse of procedure because the discharge, ladies and gentlemen — and here I am not speaking in our own defence but in defence of the institutions — must be concerned only with the imple mentation of the 1982 budget by the Commission.
Når der føres sådanne forhandlinger, skal man også kunne svare i lighed med Kommissionen.
A number of the criticisms made have nothing whatever
Aigner være hensigtsmæssigt at komme ind på detaljerne på ny.
Thorn to do with the implementation of the budget or with the year 1982.
Ligesom visse af talerne vil jeg derimod begrænse mig til de politiske aspekter af denne kontrovers, eftersom min kollege, hr. Tugendhat allerede er kom met ind på de øvrige aspekter. Jeg kan ikke, til trods for visse ønsker og mod min vilje igen komme ind på en vis kritik, der er blevet fremsat, og jeg vil bede hr. Aigner undskylde, da dette ville vare alt for længe.
Our institutions, Mr President, are so vulnerable and we have so many institutional squabbles — we are only just getting over one — that I, as retiring President, would say to you: do not set new precedents; do not start new institutional quarrels!
Jeg vil især komme ind på de politiske og institutionelle aspekter; og jeg vil gerne, at alle Parlamentets medlemmer er klar herover på at tidspunkt, hvor man på hr. Aigners opfordring ønsker at foretage en politisk handling.
In the second place there would be an evaluation on insufficient grounds, since neither the observations of the Court of Auditors nor the actual activities of the Commission warrant such a radical reaction as refus ing to grant the discharge for 1982.
Der er allerede sket alt for megen skade på grund af de unaturlige alliancer, der er sket, og fordi man ikke har været klar over rækkevidden heraf.
No-one in this House will be surprised to hear me say this and repeat it.
Hr. Thorn, undskyld hvis jeg på grund af den korte tid siger dette noget hårdere : Det, De i dag har budt os, var bedemøllemani.
There are millions of people in the Community who are poor dogs because within the Council we have not one country, but all governments, Mr Aigner, taking turns to block the path of progress, since decisions must be reached unanimously.
Hvad er meningen med denne stadige gentagelse, der for længst er blevet modbevist under drøftelserne?
But what is the alternative when our govern ments reach decisions by unanimous agreement? We make progress, but painful progress.
Hr. Simmonds, til Dem kan jeg kun sige én ting : Når De påstår, at det, vi her har vedtaget, ikke er særlig klogt, tillader jeg mig at svare Dem, at Deres gruppe i vort udvalg med én eneste undtagelse — hr. Price har hverken stemt for eller imod — har støttet vor kontrol og dens resultater.
One might give what is known — if you'll pardon the expression, you have used other terms — as the 'smack in the teeth', the resignation chop or the door-slam. You know, in a house so badly built as ours and so fragile one cannot go slamming doors all the time; there are already quite a number of draughts.
Hvordan kan De så som nyt medlem sige, at alt det, der blev gjort, var dumt?
We cannot engage in permanent revolution.
De ringeagter dermed ganske enkelt udvalgets årelange arbejde, der også blev udført med støtte fra Deres gruppe.
But day by day in the field we must try to keep the Community progressing, having tried for four difficult years to hold it together.
Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, jeg tager stilling på grundlag af den foreliggende tekst, da jeg ikke kan vide, hvad der vil ske med de forskellige ændringsforslag. slag.
As Vicepresident Tugendhat has just said, our Com mission gave a full and, in its opinion, closely reasoned reply even if it did not necessarily bring 100 % satisfaction to the majority of the observations and criticisms which Parliament thought fit to put forward.
Fru Scrivener, jeg siger mange tak for Deres indlæg.
The Commission has, moreover, paid the fullest possible attention to the wishes of Parliament in the man agement of subsequent budgets.
De sagde, at vi er chokeret over mangt og meget.
Now we should be beginning to see the daylight at the end of the tunnel.
Men når et Parlament, en gruppe er chokeret, kan det så måske afhjælpes ved, at vi lader det ude af betragtning og udsteder et afladsbrev?
I regret that sometimes we have not been more open to com promise, since I should like to show to you, who want to see Europe as a Community, that if you are not open to compromise you refuse contact with the Council.
Der må være sket et brud et eller andet sted!
That is what I wanted to tell you briefly, my old friend.
I det foreliggende dokument er det alle Kommissionens handlinger i dens mandatperiode, som pludselig og på en for os og for udenforstående helt uforståelig måde drages i tvivl med et beslutningsforslag om decharge for regnskabsåret 1982.
In the circumstances the refusal to grant a discharge is bewildering, you will agree, and appears to be inspired by an incongruous collection of contradictory considerations which are quite foreign to the discussion.
Jeg vil gerne gøre dette helt klart.
They head the list; you know who they are and so do we.
Fru Boserup, jeg er taknemlig for, at De støtter det hele.
And then I am not sure what sauce you want on your Commission, but I would say that you are adding too much butter. . .
Vi kender vanskelighederne i den socialistiske gruppe.
Careful now, it is not good for your health, particularly in certain ways.
Jeg vil gerne foreslå, at vi sletter punkt 2, c), altså lader det udgå — det drejer sig her ikke blot om Det forenede Kongerige, men om Frankrig, Belgien og Danmark, nærmere betegnet om nægtelse af påtegning i fire tilfælde — og behandler det i en selvstændig betænkning.
We do not want to go too deeply into the question of Christmas butter, but once the operation has been completed, upon your initiative, and once the economic results are known, everyone will be able to judge and to draw the appro priate conclusions.
Heller ikke det har vi fået noget svar på.
Beware of certain temptations and resist them, not in the interests of publicity, but in the interests of the Community.
Men en del af den fremsatte kritik har hverken noget at gøre med budgettets gennemførelse eller med året 1982.
And you will be right each time you sound the warning, as you have done in the past, to my successors, to take care, to remain independent; this Commission must never become the secretariat of the Council, otherwise the Community is finished.
Jeg kan kun opfordre til, at man læser dokumenterne en gang til.
It must equally never become the secretariat of the Parliament! ment!
Det har blot til for mål at styrke vor parlamentariske stilling og at styrke samarbejdet mellem Kommissionen og Parlamentet.
We met in this very forum, the Euro pean Parliament, although in another building.
Thorn, formand for Kommissionen. — (FR) Hr. for mand, mine damer og herrer, jeg vil gerne berolige Dem ved på forhånd at sige, at mit indlæg vil blive meget kort.
You called us poor dogs because the Council will not take the action which the Commission proposes.
Hvorfor?
Very well !
Ikke blot på grund af de seks uger, man har talt så meget om — alt for meget efter min opfattelse; mit indlæg vil især være kort, fordi jeg ikke tror, at det efter møderne i grupperne vil
If we are poor dogs then there are a great many poor dogs in this Community — starting with the 434 members; we are in good company.
Undskyld, jeg siger det, men vi kan ikke lave permanent revolution. Tværtimod bør vi dag for dag forsøge at skabe fremskridt i Fællesskabet, efter at vi gennem fire vanskelige år har forsøgt at holde sammen på det hele.
Rest assured, Ladies and Gentlemen, Members of the Parliament, that, whatever happens in the vote, the Commission will be by your side, always ready to do its duty, often thankless, often painful, but absolutely indispensable.
Vi begynder måske nu at kunne se enden på tunnelen.
Others have a particular problem or nation as their target.
For jeg vil gerne have, at De skal forstå, De som ønsker et Fællesskabets Europa, at hvis man ikke er åben over for et kompromis, nægter man kontakten med Rådet.
But the Commission is not there to act against a Member State but for all the Member States, since its aim is to act for the Community.
Så opnår man kun det mindst mulige på europæisk plan, og vi vil ikke længere have noget at skulle have sagt, vi den tredje institution, som var så vigtig for Jean Monnet, til at få det hele til at køre.
Is this the moment to place all at risk just when we are overcoming this problem and trying to recapture unity and when the next Commission will have some chance of drawing breath and making a new start?
Blot man ikke tilsætter for meget smør...
President. — The debate is closed.
Pas på, det er ikke godt for sundheden, især ikke på en vis måde.
We now proceed to the vote on the motion for a resolution.
Vi ved alle, hvem det er.
Title : Amendment No 9
Hr. formand, jeg erindrer om, at man i henhold til traktaterne har ønsket, at Kommissionen er uafhængig.
Mr Aigner, the committee chairman, said earlier that if the Commission is weak, the Parliament is weak. I am sure of it.
Uafhængig i hele Fællesskabets interesse.
And for the most part — fortunately, and in spite of all that has been said and irrespective of the way the House votes — we are and shall remain side by side no matter what.
Og De har ganske ret, når De ligesom tidligere advarer mine efterfølgere ved at sige: pas på, forbliv uafhængige, Kommissionen bør aldrig blive et sekretariat for Rådet, for så et det slut med Fællesskabet.
Then, if you are right, Mr Aigner, let me be the one to give the warning — do not weaken the Commission by excessive criticism, precisely because, according to your own formula, you will be weakening the Parliament!
Og Kommissionen bør lige så lidt blive et sekretariat for Parlamentet! mentet!
Then there are those who wish to give a message to the new Commission as a hint to conform and be more docile in its dealings with Parliament.
De har netop sagt — bortset fra visse budgetretlige aspekter — at der i det væsentlige er tale om en politisk afgørelse.
I must therefore make my observations on the understanding that although I feel I am in agree ment with the committee, I cannot be certain.
Jeg vil følgelig tillade mig at sige følgende : pas på visse naturstridige alliancer.
Amend ment No 9 is against the committee's majority.
Hr. Aigner, jeg tror, vi har kendt hinanden gennem seksogtyve år.
Finally there are all those who in refusing to grant the discharge are intending to express their disappointment and irritation at the stagnation in the process of European integration.
Vi lærte hinanden at kende i dette selvsamme Parlament, selv om der dengang var tale om en anden bygning.
Ladies and gentlemen, quite frankly the entire Commission shares your disappointment and irritation.
Det er traktaten, som kræver det. Vore tre institutioner må være uafhængige, ellers vil intet kunne virke.
Consider though what the refusal to grant the discharge will change.
Lad os derfor sammen arbejde på at bevare denne uafhængighed.
It will risk weakening the Community.
(FR) Der er millioner af stakler i Fællesskabet, fordi ikke et land, men alle regeringerne i Rådet, hr. Aigner, efter tur hindrer, at der sker fremskridt, eftersom der skal træffes enstemmige afgørelser.
If the Parliament really considered that the Commission's activities were as bad as some people have claimed — and, Mrs Boserup, you have always said so and will probably never cease to say so, but if that is what you think then there is a specific provision under Article 144 of the Treaty which gives you the right, or practically places you under an obligation to express that conviction without ambiguity.
Kritikken går noget for vidt, når man siger, at vi ikke stiller forslag.
Let us not prevaricate with one another about the Treaty.
Man kan naturligvis spille fornærmet, kræve at Kommissionen går af, smække med døren...
Parliament is wishing to perform a political act, since it considers that the Commission has not been sufficiently dynamic and active and has not managed things properly.
Men i en så skrøbelig bygning som vor kan man nu
The Liberal and Democratic Group considers that in taking this action the Parliament has picked the wrong procedure and the
Titlen — Ændringsforslag nr. 9
(Applause from the right)
Hr. Aigner sagde for lidt siden, at hvis Kommissionen er svag, er Parlamentet det også.
Our Group has no wish to denigrate the work of the Commission as a whole.
Dette er jeg helt overbevist om. Men i det væsentlige — til trods for det, som er blevet sagt og til trods for den kommende afstemning — står vi heldigvis side om side, uanset hvad der sker.
In many cases we have worked together closely, as we must also do in the future.
Men jeg vil gerne advare Dem, hr. Aigner : søg ikke med en overdreven kritik at svække Kommissionen, da De herved, som De selv har sagt, vil svække Parlamentet!
I wish to underline everything the President of the Commission, Mr Thorn, has said on this point, but we shall confirm this in the final vote for the reasons I have stated.
Veil (L). — (FR) Stemmeforklaringerne i denne sag finder sted på et noget specielt tidspunkt, eftersom vi faktisk allerede har stemt; for vi kender allerede re sultatet, da det er sandsynligt, at afstemningen om beslutningsforslaget som helhed vil være identisk med det, vi har givet udtryk for i punkt 6.
Mr Arndt (S). — (DE) On behalf of the Socialist group I wish to say that we are not looking for a gen eral settling of accounts with the Commission, that we are concerned only with the question of the budget as a result of examination of the 1982 budget.
Men hvorledes vil man ænder dette ved at nægte decharge?
We are rather worried here to see how readily Parliament makes scapegoats instead of trying to pinpoint the responsibilities.
Når man læser be tænkningen og beslutningsforslaget, opdager man, at .det ikke drejer sig om at udtrykke mistillid til Kom missionens forvaltning af budgettet eller på generel måde at stille mistillidsvotum til Kommissionen over en periode på fire år, en handling der ville finde sted seks uger inden Kommissionen går af.
I should like to remind the President of the Commission that we had of course, in the discharges for 1979, 1980 and 1981, already drawn the Commission's attention to what was likely to happen if insufficient attention continued to be paid to the opinions of Par liament, not because we are the Parliament, but because we are the budgetary authority.
Nej, der er tale om en politisk handling fra Parlamentets side, da Parlamentet mener, at Kommissionen ikke har været tilstrækkelig dynamisk og aktiv og ikke har foretaget en hensigtsmæssig forvaltning.
That is why, contrary to what Mrs Veil said, my Group is actively concerned about the implementation of the 1982 budget.
Vi har til strækkeligt mange opgaver at løse — hvad enten dette drejer sig om budgetdisciplinen, hvor vi altid har stået ved Deres side, eller om andre spørgsmål — til ikke at burde samle vore kræfter i stedet for at sprede dem.
As I have said, a number of time-limits were not badly respected [sic], certain responsibilities were not really assumed, and we should want to give a pointer to the new Com mission, but what would be the point of making matters worse in a Community which is ailing, not to say very sick?
Jeg håber, at man vil bære dette in mente under afstemningen.
We should assume our responsibilities and not simply wash our hands of them today by refusing to grant the discharge.
... og når jeg siger Rådet, er det de skiftende regeringer, jeg sigter til.
There is something else I wish to make clear.
Vi er noget foruroliget over, hvor let Parlamentet har ved at finde syndebukke i stedet for at prøve at placere ansvaret.
The par agraph relating to the Milk Marketing Board has nothing to do with any errors which may have been committed by that organization.
På et tidspunkt, hvor man igen ser de nationale interesser dukke op på så klar måde, som vi har været vidne til det i de senere dage, er jeg forbavset over, at det igen er Kommissionen, der er syndebukken.
We have established that it acted entirely correctly. Our reproach is directed solely against the Commission, which should have issued other instructions to the Milk Marketing Board in good time.
Man bør i stedet søge at få Fællesskabet til at fungere.
I repeat, this paragraph is not aimed at the Milk Marketing Board!
Der er desuden tale om en kollektiv foranstaltning, hvor der hersker den største forvirring og tvetydighed; for mange aftalerne under-
In our view we now have to ensure that the veil of oblivion is not drawn across the points at issue, which we have all supported, and that they are seen to be still unresolved and still under discussion.
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
The next Commission should however — and here I agree with Mrs Veil, except that our conclusions are
Derfor drejer det sig for min gruppe i mod sætning til det, fru Veil sagde, meget konkret om gen nemførelsen af 1982-budgettet.
Arndt this light that it is to be understood and that is the way the majority of my Group will vote.
Men vi vil ikke stemme imod nægtelsen af at give decharge, fordi vi ikke mener, at man bør give Kom missionen nogen rosende omtale.
there are naturally some areas in which we can criticize the Commission for the way in which it has car ried out its duties.
Men hvilket formål tjener det at skabe endnu mere postyr i et Fællesskab, som er sygt, ja endog meget sygt?
That is our task. But it is not Parliament's task to create problems.
Vi må påtage os vort ansvar og ikke blot søge at lette vor samvittighed ved at nægte decharge.
It is Parliament's task to solve problems in a positive, critical manner.