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På grundlag af vore undersøgelser er vi imidlertid kommet frem til, at vi må holde fast ved de 44 tons, og det vil altså sige, at vi må holde fast ved bilagets punkt 13.
Unlike Mr Johnson, I believe that the arguments on economic and energy-saving grounds for harmonization are very compelling indeed.
Det er helt klart, som jeg også sagde i slutningen af mit indlæg, at alt det, som her er fremkommet, og den beslutning som måtte blive vedtaget, vil blive lagt til grund for fornyede diskussioner i Kommissionen med henblik på en overvejelse og eventuel revision af vore- stand punkter, men for øjeblikket er Kommissionens stand punkt således som jeg netop har beskrevet det for Dem.
I do not think either that the economic and the environmental considerations are irreconcilable and in this connection I might say that the speech by the chairman of the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection, coupled also with the names of the British Conservatives when he spoke, might not have sounded quite so silly and might even indeed have been a little bit credible if, instead of treating us to a string of sweeping assertions about the horrendous damage and cost of these heavier lorries, he had quoted some evidence from member countries, such as the Netherlands, which have far higher limits on their lorries than are proposed in the Carossino report.
Det er Kommissionens opfattelse, at en mere effektiv kontrol med køretøjernes vægt og en forhindring af overlæs vil føre til forøget trafiksikkerhed.
I happen to believe that having fewer heavy lorries on the road would result in an improvement to the environment every bit as much as to the economy and the freight transport industry.
Samtidig vil der blive sørget for, at disse køretøjer overholder de nyeste miljøbeskyttelsesforskrifter, og at de nationale eller lokale myndigheder fortsat har mulighed for at forbyde gennemkørsel af tunge køretøjer.
There is clear unmistakable evidence that as lorry weights have increased, so the number of lorries licensed to use the roads, at any rate in the United Kingdom, has decreased.
Det er en målsætning, som Fælles skabet har fastlagt i denne tid med økonomisk nedgang og krise for en række brancher inden for Fællesskabets industri.
I think this is probably one very good reason why the Netherlands has been able to support a very much higher lorry weight.
Cottrell. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg har et ændrings forslag stående i mit navn, nr. 1, som i sin opbygning er ret forskellig fra de øvrige ændringsforslag, min gruppe har fremsat.
President. — Mr Markozanis, you are therefore really introducing oral amendments to this report.
Jeg er ikke blevet tildelt egentlig taletid, og jeg ønsker Deres vejledning med hensyn til, om dette ændringsforslag kan blive optaget til afstemning, når vi kommer til afstemningen.
I fear that the amendments in the form in which you have introduced them will be difficult to accept. In other words, they must first be printed and distributed.
Visse dele af den med vægtgrænsen sammenhængende problematik omkring køretøjernes dimensioner har siden september 1978 været taget op til debat på grundlag af et kommissionsforslag fra 1971.
The one other point I would just like to make is that I do think manufacturers of these vehicles should be exhorted to carry out much greater research to produce a more satisfactory vehicle.
I modsætning til vægtgrænserne er dimensionerne alle rede i udstrakt grad harmoniseret i medlemsstaterne, og der hersker på dette område allerede en vidtgående overensstemmelse medlemsstaterne imellem.
It is a fact that more damage is done to the roads and to the environment when a vehicle is travelling at less than fully laden weights.
Mange medlemsstater så dog hellere, at der blev truffet en fælles beslutning om begge spørgsmål, der i udstrakt grad udgør en helhed.
This is bound to happen at times, and it does require research so that you don't get the bounce when the vehicle is not fully laden and I do hope that the Commission will urge this on manufacturers.
Formanden. — Hr. Cottrell, i henhold til den nye forretningsorden kan Deres ændringsforslag accepteres i betragtning af, at det er omdelt og oversat til samtlige fællesskabssprog.
Mr Gabert. — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, I should first of all like to say that I could happily go along with many of the critical arguments raised in Mr Carossino's report.
Kommissionen går ind for den foreslåede ændring af artikel 7, selv om vi, som allerede sagt, må holde fast ved vor landsigtede målsætning, og for så vidt ønsker vi altså ikke bilagets punkt 13, der omhandler vægtgrænser for køretøjer, ændret.
Mr Markozanis. — (GR) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, I should like to state that I view as positive the Commission's attempt to introduce for the first time harmonization of the weights and certain other
Hr. Collins har ordet for en personlig bemærkning.
I too voted against the report in the Committee on Transport, because I really did feel that a total weight of 38 tonnes should be about the highest limit.
Han skal sørge for, at der er ligevægt i diskussionerne i udvalget, og han skal også repræsentere udvalgets synspunkter på plenarmøder.
Another reason for my voting against was the fact that I knew that we were certain to run into difficulties as far as transit through third countries was concerned.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning udarbejdet af De Keersmaeker for trans­portudvalget om bygningen af en tunnel under Kanalen (dok. 1­93/81).
Nevertheless, it was always my belief — for a variety of reasons, which have all been mentioned here today — that we had to come to a general agreement.
Ordføreren har ordet.
The majority of people in my Group also supported the 38 tonne figure.
Der er også nogle, der kalder tunnelen under Kanalen for Loch Ness­uhyret, som af og til stikker hovedet frem.
In the end, however, we thought it was more important to reach a general agreement by striking a compromise.
Jeg tror, at kun få mennesker vil påstå noget som helst andet, end at jeg omhyggeligt har sørget for ligevægt i udvalget.
tial agreement at Community level. As is stated in your motion for a resolution, the right moment has arrived for the adoption of a Community decisionmaking procedure for weights and dimensions.
Med hensyn til at repræsentere udvalget på plenarmøder, repræsenterer jeg tydeligvis disse synspunkter, og eftersom disse synspunkter er flertallets, repræsenterer jeg i dette specielle tilfælde det tyske, hollandske og franske flertal i udvalget mod, mærkværdigvis, det britiske mindretal, fordi dette ikke er en britisk sag, det er ikke en isoleret sag, det er et miljømæssigt problem.
It is important that these decisions be taken because, as Mr Carossino himself pointed out earlier, the inability to reach agreement in this area prevents action and important decisions being taken on transport in other sectors, such as the imposition of road charges on commercial vehicles and measures concerning the capacity of the road network.
Det er også min pligt at være bannerfører for miljøsagen i dette Parlament, for skønt der er dem, der hævder at være miljøbe­vidste, så afslører deres aktiviteter, handlinger og taler undertiden, at de er det modsatte.
I am therefore pleased to see that Parliament and the Commission want and are deter mined to bring to an end this matter which has been outstanding for so long.
Nu finder jeg ikke, det er rimeligt at angribe enkelt­personer, selv om jeg finder det rimeligt at angribe synspunkter.
The Commission had proposed 44 tonnes. In my opinion, this figure would have been quite wrong for a transport policy.
Det er bestemt ikke rimeligt at angribe enkeltpersoner ved at billige letkøbte og temmelig umodne navneopråb, og jeg tror, vi alle ville se med foragt på dem, der vælger at føre politik på den måde.
So I came to the conclusion that we needed a big majority for a compromise. Such a compromise is to be found in Mr Carossino's report, for which we will now vote, because we really do want this big majority.
Hvis Dame Shelagh Roberts føler, at dette er fjollede generaliseringer, så burde hun måske tage spørgs­målet op med bestyrelserne for hver enkelt af disse organisationer og ikke med mig; og jeg er overho­vedet ikke i tvivl om, at hun vil få et svar, der meget ligner det, hun ville få af mig.
I became convinced of this through my conversations with railway officials both in the Community and in countries outside it.
Jeg tror, disse offentlige og private interesseorganisa­tioner stort set er uenige med Carossino, og derfor må jeg også være det.
From the environmental point of view, the 'motorway on rails' has distinct advantages.
(Mødet afbrudt kl. 13.15 og genoptaget kl. 15.00)
For these reasons, I ask you to vote for the motion for a resolution.
FORSÆDE: POUL MØLLER Næstformand
President. — I call the Commission.
Med hensyn til de finansielle problemer skal jeg lige nævne, at dette projekt ikke vil komme til at koste mere end et kernekraftværk.
It is impossible for us to harmonize all the technical characteristics of heavy goods vehicles by incorporating them into the provisions of a single measure.
Det er altså finansielt set absolut ikke noget uhyrligt projekt, sådan som der er nogen, der påstår.
In the first place, most of these points have already been dealt with, and not only those relating to weight and dimensions.
Man er nødt til finansielt set at anbringe projektet inden for de rigtige rammer.
Secondly, if we make an already complicated subject even more complicated, we are more likely to fail.
De problemer, som endnu ikke er løst, er netop de påkrævede politiske beslutninger og spørgsmålet om, hvorvidt Det europæiske Fællesskab bør deltage i projektet. Hvad i øvrigt angår de tekniske problemer, har transportudvalget fastslået, at man var nået meget langt med visse projekter, næsten til den afsluttende fase. Vi kunne også fastslå, at en jernbanetunnel vil være at foretrække.
Mr Kontogeorgis, Member of the Commission. —(GR) Mr President, in his very well-balanced report on the weight and dimensions of commercial vehicles, Mr Carossino expresses the view that as long as the necessary political will exists, a fair Community solution can and must be found to a complex problem which has been pending for years.
Der er nogle, der påstår, at det skal være en ensrettet tunnel, fordi man ellers aldrig kan nå til enighed med Storbritan­nien om, hvorvidt der skal køres i venstre eller i højre side, men den bemærkning kan man naturligvis ikke
The weights and dimensions of vehicles are almost the only matters which still depend on decisions taken by the Member States in isolation, and it is unilateral, and uncoordinated decisions of this kind which are continuing to reduce and restrict the possibilities of substan
Formanden. — Mødet er genoptaget.
Of course they have been taken into account.
Men hvorom alting er, er det hverken udvalgets eller Parlamentets opgave at fremsætte en udtalelse om de tekniske aspekter; vi begrænser os til af velovervejede grunde at anmode om, at man priori terer jernbanetransporten.
It was a meeting in which experts from all over the world took part and during which many important views were put forward.
Derfor har vi stillet det spørgsmål til Rådet og Kommissionen om, hvordan det forholder sig med dette forslag, og vi har også rettet en opfordring til samtlige berørte instanser og regeringer såvel som til Kommissionen og Rådet om at få sat gang i dette anliggende, for ved de førstkommende almindelige direkte valg vil vi uden tvivl få stillet det spørgsmål, hvad der er sket inden for området af transportinfrastrukturen.
The latest reports which have been drawn up by independent bodies in Germany and the United Kingdom, and which were I mentioned previously, come out in favour of the way in which the Commission is dealing with this problem.
Transportinfrastrukturen taler nemlig til offentlighedens fantasi; og kan man på det område mon tænke sig et bedre symbol på Fællesskabets eksistens end gennemførelsen af denne synlige forbindelse mellem Storbritannien og fastlandet?
The proposals before Parliament were previously discussed in detail with government experts. During our discussions it was requested that we should deal with the problem of maximum loads permitted for lorries crossing bridges, and work on this is underway.
Lad os som medlemsstater og som Europæisk Fællesskab ikke lade denne chance glide os af hænde til i fællesskab at sørge for, at dette projekt kan påbegyndes inden 1985, og så behøver man efter min mening heller ikke at kalde denne tunnel for Kanaltunnelen, men — som hr. Diligent foreslog — Europatunnelen.
It will of course be possible to review the decisions taken on this matter in the light of current findings and future research, and amendments will be made if they are felt to be useful, as was the case with Community legislation on braking systems, noise level, emissions etc.
Formanden. — Udvalget for regionalpolitik og fysisk planlægning har ordet.
Mr President, I cannot enter into greater detail on all the subjects which the previous speakers have touched on.
von der Vring, stedfortrædende ordfører for udtalelsen. — (DE) Hr. formand!
But I assure you that the Commission will take into account with the greatest attention both the resolution which will be adopted by this House and what has been said during today's debate.
Udvalget for regionalpolitik og fysisk planlægning har udelukkende beskæftiget sig -med de regionaløkonomiske virkninger af en kanal tunnel, men ikke med spørgsmålet om det formålstjenlige i en sådan investering og slet ikke med Fællesskabets finansierings medvirken.
The Commission accepts the proposed amendment to paragraph 7 but, as I mentioned before, we would like to retain our longterm objective, so that we would not like any amendment to be made to paragraph 1.3 of the annex, which concerns maximum vehicle weights as proposed in the resolution.
Udvalget har konstateret, at virkningerne af en fast forbindelse mellem England og Frankrig på de dårligst stillede områder i Fællesskabet på kort, mellemlang og lang sigt kun meget vanskeligt lader sig opregne.
In conclusion, Mr President, I should like to acknowledge once again Parliament's constructive and useful contribution and assure you that we shall most conscientiously work along the lines suggested by Parliament.
For det andet har undersøgelsen vist, at en fast Kanal-forbindelse er af afgørende betydning for hele Det europæiske Fællesskab.
The Commission looked into the possibility of the step-by-step introduction of measures as proposed in your resolution, namely a maximum of 40 tonnes on 5 axles.
Og blandt andet med henblik på de forventede transport-tekniske behov er det nødvendigt at gennemføre en fast forbindelse; for øjeblikket transporteres der hvert år ca. 60 mio tons fragt over Kanalen, men henimod år 2 000 forventes der en stigning på op til ca. 30 mio tons; for passagertransporten ventes der en stigning på 33 til 50 % i samme periode.
Secondly, the heavier 6-axle vehicle proposed by the Commission causes less damage to roads and bridges than any other heavy vehicle which is allowed on the roads in any Member State, and it is the authorization of this 6-axle vehicle which is proposed in the two reports I mentioned earlier.
Desuden er der også kun fordele forbundet med dette projekt set ud fra et tidsmæssigt synspunkt; afstanden mellem f.eks.
Mr Johnson. — Under Rule 64(4), I really wanted to ask the Commissioner for clarification.
Nord england og Basel bliver simpelthen halveret.
It says you can interrupt him, but it was difficult-to do so because he was speaking.
Det er også en enestående lejlighed til endelig engang inden for europæiske rammer at arbejde på koordinering af jernbanepolitikken i almindelighed.
It was not clear to us, Mr President, what the position of the Commission vis-à-vis the Council is going to be — and this is a matter of vital importance, I think, on all sides of this House — in the event that this House approves the Carossino compromise of 40 tonnes.
Jeg vil på dette sted springe de meget vigtige regionale konsekvenser af forbindelsen over Kanalen over; det kan jeg uden videre gøre, fordi udvalget for regionalpolitik allerede har fremsat en positiv udtalelse herom.
The Commission feels that its proposal will help to improve road safety by means of the more efficient control of heavy vehicles and the reduction of over loading.
Jeg skal lige erindre om, at kommissæren ved afslutningen af forhandlingen om udarbejdelsen af transportinfrastrukturpolitikken sagde, at denne politik er af væsentlig og afgørende betydning for Fællesskabet.
It will ensure that such vehicles comply with the most recent environmental standards and it will enable local or national authorities to retain their right not to allow the transit of heavy vehicles.
Er det så ikke besynderligt, at der kun bliver stillet 0,06 % af budgettet til rådighed for en politik, som udtrykkeligt er indeholdt i Traktaten, og sam altså hører med til Det europæiske Fællesskabs beføjelser!
Lastly, our proposal will provide vehicle manufacturers with a model for the next generation of heavy goods vehicles and will enable them to work towards ensuring a freer and more uniform internal market in view of increased outside competition.
Og endelig mente transportudvalget — og det er måske det vigtigste, selv om det ikke er nogen målelig størrelse — at dette synlige bånd mellem Storbritannien og fastlandet er af stor politisk og psykologisk betydning.
These are objectives which the Community would like to pursue at this time of economic depression and of the crisis which is affecting certain sectors of Community industry but also, I repeat, of outside competition in this area.
For det første kan det konstateres, at de mulige ende punkter af tunnelen — altså området Kent — ikke og for region Pas-de-Calais-Nords vedkommende kun i begrænset omfang kan betragtes som mindre begunstigede regioner i Den europæiske Regionalfonds fortolkning.
Mr Kontogeorgis, Member of the Commission. — (GR) As I told you before, the Commission has studied the possibility of accepting straight away the proposal of 40 tonnes.
Det kan konstateres, at afstanden fra Dover, det mulige britiske endepunkt af tunnelen til de nærmeste dårligt stillede regioner i Det forenede Kongerige, er 200 krri, at virkningerne af tunnelbygningen vil være størst i de to områder, hvor tunnelen ender, og naturligvis vil aftage med den øgede afstand fra disse endepunkter og, sluttelig at benyttelsen af en vej og jernbanetunnel henholdsvis en bro vil bringe en tidsbesparelse på 100 minutter for passager- og vejgodstrafikken sammenlignet med den hidtidige færgeforbindelse.
But on the basis of its study, the Commission considers that the figure should remain at 44 tonnes, as in paragraph 1.3 of Annex I. As I told you at the end of my speech, we shall of course continue to study everything which has been said here in the debates and the resolution which Parliament will adopt, and we shall form our own views accord ingly.
Billedlig talt rykker så også de ugunstigt stillede regioner dette tidsrum nærmere til EF produktions-forbrugs- og beslutnings-
But for the moment the Commission's view is that which I described to you earlier.
Mødet torsdag den 7. maj 1981 von der Vring centre.
President. — I call Mr Cottrell on a point of order.
Denne tids og omkostningsbesparelse og dermed konkurrenceforbedring aftager naturligvis med den øgede afstand fra Caiais eller Dover.
Royal Town Planning Institute and from the Town and Country Planning Association.
en fast lasttrafik mellem England og de andre lande, således at komplicerede omladningsarbejder altså ikke skal foretages i Nederlandene.
Mr Cottrell. — Mr President, I have an Amendment standing in my name — No 1 — which is structurally quite different from the other amendments put forward by my group.
Vi er klare over —'■ på det punkt giver vi udvalget for regionalpolitik og fysisk planlægning helt ret, at tunnelen ikke udgør en erstatning for en regionalpolitik.
I have not actually been given speaking-time, and I seek your guidance as to whether this amendment may be taken on and voted on when we come to the vote.
Naturligvis ophæver vi ikke dermed yderkanterne af områderne, de er geografisk betingede og bliver med at være det, også i fremtiden, men vi letter dem adgangen til markederne, og det er også et stykke strukturforbedring.
As a Member, I would also make the point that, as a general principle, if Members have substantial amend ments which are different from those of their own political group, they should be given speaking-time to explain them.
Men denne analyse skulle dog ikke føre til, at forskellige forberedelsesforanstaltninger bliver forsinket.
President. — Mr Collins, you may express your opinion calmly, fully and without qualms, but in that case you must do so in your own name. This matter is now closed.
Jeg tror, at det først og fremmest er det, der spørges om i Boyes' beslutning.
(The sitting was suspended at 1.15 p.m. and resumed at 3 p.m.)
Vi understreger, at påbe­gyndelsen af projektet ikke under nogen omstændig­heder må forsinkes derved.
Mr Collins. — Mr President, the rôle of a chairman of a committee is a somewhat curious one.
Denne fordel skulle man også kunne acceptere, selvom man ikke går ind for Det forenede Kongeriges forbliven i Fællesmarkedet.
He has to preserve balance in discussions in the committee and he also has to represent the views of the committee in plenary sittings.
Klinkenborg. — (DE) Hr. formand, det er mig i første omgang magtpåliggende at lykønske min kollega De Keersmaeker med hans betænkning.
President. — The next item on the agenda is the report (Doc. 1-93/81), drawn up by Mr De Keersmaeker on behalf of the Committee on Transport, on the construction of a Channel Tunnel.
Det ville bidrage væsentligt til sikkerheden på Kanalen.
I think very few people would argue that I have been anything other than scrupulous in observing balance in the committee.
De ved alle, hvilken belastning skibsfarten er udsat for i Kanalen, derfor behøver jeg ikke gå nærmere inde på de dermed forbundne nautiske problemer.
As regards representing the committee in plenary sitting, I obviously represent these views, and since these views are those held by majorities, in this particular case I represent the German, Dutch and French majority in the committee against, oddly enough, the British minority because this is not a British case, it is not an isolated case, it is an environmental issue.
Vi er overbeviste om, at Storbritanniens integrationsproces i Fællesskabet styrkes ved en sådan forandring — af hvad art den så måtte blive —.
It is certainly not legitimate to attack personalities by indulging in cheap and rather immature name-calling, and I think we would all look with scorn on those who choose to conduct their political affairs in that way.
Vi er alt i alt tilfredse med betænkningen og er af den opfattelse, at vi uden tøven bør forsøge at realisere dette projekt.
Mr De Keersmaeker, rapporteur. — (NL) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, in the previous debate, one of our British colleagues referred to the question of the weights and other characteristics of goods vehicles as a monster.
Ganske vist er der stadig mange kritiske spørgsmål åbne, men det skulle ikke forhindre os i at starte projektet i stedet for at trække det i langdrag.
Some people also say that the Channel Tunnel is a sort of Loch Ness Monster which occasionally sticks its head up.
Fornuftige grunde til at vente med denne foranstalt­ning har jeg i hvert tilfælde ikke hørt indtil nu.
If only that was true at least the monster would be there in the water, but unfor tunately that is not even the case.
Først en fornuftig sammenknytning muliggør en optimal udnyttelse af samfærdselsmidlerne, men dermed kommer vi straks til den første kritiske anmærkning.
I certainly hope that in the end we will take account of the evidence I mentioned, which unfortunately Dame Shelagh Roberts is not here to listen to; but then she was not here to listen to the Commissioner either.
Vi må også rette vores opmærksomhed mod byggemåden, for allerede den skulle muliggøre
The evidence that I presented was from the Council for the Protection of Rural England, from the Civic Trust, from the European Environmental Bureau, from the