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Tugendhat, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (EN) Jeg tror, at det er det rette tidspunkt, både i Det forenede Kongeriges interesse, men også for det europæiske monetære system som helhed, for Det forenede Kongerige at tilslutte sig det europæiske monetære system.
Mr Tugendhat. — First of all, the honourable gentleman is, of course, completely wrong when he says that the balance of trade is unfavourable to the United Kingdom.
Formanden. — Da talerlisten er betydelig længere, end jeg havde håbet, lukkes den nu.
As I have already pointed out, the rate of United Kingdom exports to the rest of the Community has in fact been increasing at twice the rate of British exports to other parts of the world.
Tugendhat. — (EN) Jeg gav udtryk for den opfattelse, at det ville være i Det forenede Kongeriges interesse og til gavn for det europæiske monetære system som helhed, at Det forenede Kongerige til-
Now if you have an area which is not only your best but also your fastest-growing market, and then you decide to sever yourself from it and to put up barriers between yourself and the rest of that market, I think it is not surprising that jobs should be put at risk.
Patterson. — (EN) I fortsættelse af det sidste indlæg fra vor finansminister, nemlig vor budgetkommissær, vil jeg gerne vide, om han har lyst til at kommentere en tidligere britisk premierministers synspunkt, nemlig at fuldt britisk medlemskab af EMS ville sætte os i stand til at bygge en ringmur op omkring det euro pæiske monetære system, og at rentesatserne kunne være betydelig lavere bag denne ringmur?
Indeed, the National Executive of the Labour Party — with its customary frankness, no doubt — actually states in its document that the outcome of a with drawal could mean that some of our products — British products, that is — would face high tariffs and have only restricted access to EEC markets. 'Restricted access' are the right words, access to your best and most rapidly-growing market means, of
Tugendhat. — (EN) Vi bevæger os nu meget langt ind på britisk indenrigspolitiks domæne i denne spørgetid, så jeg tror, jeg vil nøjes med at sige, at selvfølgelig indebærer en tilslutning til EMS ikke nødvendigvis, og nødvendigvis udelukker den det heller ikke, aktioner af anden art. Hr. Coustés spørgsmål drejede sig alene om, hvorvidt tiden er moden til eller ikke moden til, at Det forenede Kongerige tilslutter sig EMS.
Mr Tugendhat, Vice-President of the Commission. — I believe that the time is right, both in the interests of the United Kingdom but also in those of the European Monetary System as a whole, for the United Kingdom to join the European Monetary System.
Jeg tror ikke, vi skal gå videre end til det.
course, that the jobs of people who depend on exports are also going to be restricted.
Seal. — (EN) Er kommissæren ikke enig i, at så længe vi har forskellige inflationsrater i de forskellige medlemsstater, vil vi være nødt til stadig at tilpasse valutakurserne, som det skete i det nylige eksempel, De nævnede?
Mr Cousté. — (FR) I was pleased to hear the Commissioner, with all the authority he carries, give such a positive answer. But when will this happen?
Er han endelig enig i, at disse tilpasninger af de forskel lige kurser under alle omstændigheder gør hele formålet med EMS til skamme?
In a year, in six months time or, as I personally hope, even sooner?
Herman. — (FR) Kan kommissæren meddele Parlamentet, af hvilke grunde Det forenede Kongeriges regering i sine .forhandlinger med Kommissionen tøver med at give efter for Deres gode argumenter, for De siger jo selv, at tiden er inde til, at Det fore nede Kongerige tilslutter sig det europæiske monetære system?
Mr Enright. — Would not the Commissioner agree that the inevitable disruption of world trade which would result from a changing pattern within the European Community would affect very strongly indeed developing countries?
«Tugendhat. — (EN) Jeg tror, at også det spørgsmål bedst kan rettes til folk uden for huset her.
Mr Tugendhat. — I stated the view that I believed that it would be in the interests of the United Kingdom and indeed of the European Monetary System as a whole that the United Kingdom should join.
Tugendhat. — (EN) Jeg tror ikke, at virkeligheden ganske bekræfter det, det ærede medlem sagde, for som bekendt er der meget forskellige inflationsrater inden for det europæiske monetære system.
Mr Tugendhat. — I entirely agree with what the honourable gentleman says.
Alligevel tror jeg, at systemet har virket, virkelig overraskende godt, hvis man sammenligner valutaernes historie, før systemet blev skabt, med hvad der sker nu, eller sammenligner forholdene for vedkommende valutaer med valutaerne uden for systemet.
I think that the arguments about imposing protectionism in the United Kingdom are something which would of course hit very particularly the developing countries which depend on the United Kingdom and indeed other developed markets for their exports.
Det har i bemærkelsesværdig grad haft held til at hidføre en vis orden på det internationale valutamarked, og jeg ville have troet, at frem for alt hr. Seal, der jo kommer fra Det forenende Kongerige, ville værdsætte det forhold, at det er de meget store svingninger — de pludselige opsving der følges af pludselige nedture — der i så høj grad skader industriens udsigter.
Mrs Kellett-Bowman. — Would the Commissioner assure us that he will continue to put squarely before the public of the Community the very cogent facts that he has raised today and also draw to people's attention, particularly those in the United Kingdom, that we should lose very heavily indeed on inward invest ment from Japan and the United States, which provides jobs in Britain, if we were to leave the European Community?
Sir Brandon Rhys Williams. — (EN) Er kommissæren ikke enig i, at kapitalmarkedet i London nu er så liberalt, at hvis verdensvalutamarkedet skulle finde på at anfægte valutakursen mellem pundet og de andre fællesskabsvalutaer, er der ingen reserver, der er store nok til, at Bank of England kan forsvare denne kurs?
Sir Fred Warner. — As the Commissioner has just remarked, perhaps the answer to this very important question lies entirely with the British Government.
Hvis Storbritannien derfor tilslutter sig Fællesskabets valutasystem — hvad jeg inderligt håber sker snart — må selve systemet i højere grad end nu erkende markedskræfterne.
This seemed to contain the suggestion that if Britain were to adhere to the full exchange mechanism of the EMS, they would have to accept a package which included a policy of immediate reflation.
Hvis man fortsat vil operere med en ordning med faste pariteter, vil dette system så ikke kræve en virkelig konvergens af hver af medlemsstaternes økonomiske politik?
Is it the Chancellor's view that joining the exchange control mechanism of the EMS necessarily means a sudden and immediate and compulsory increase in public expenditure in Britain?
Men hvis det monetære system i stedet giver sig til at købe stærke valutaer, kan vi så ikke få hyppige, små tilpasninger i stedet for meget store tilpasninger fra tid til anden?
Mr Tugendhat. — I think that in this subject, as indeed in some others, the facts speak for them selves . . .
Quin. — (EN) Kan kommissæren meddele mig, om Kommissionen har foretaget nogen undersøgelser af virkningerne for regioner og særlige udviklingsområder i Storbritannien, hvis Storbritannien tilslutter sig EMS?
President. — You asked for a Chancellor's view. I do not know whether we have one in the House.
Jeg har ikke kunnet opdage, at sådanne studier er foretaget i Det forenede Kongerige, og dog mener jeg, at det er et vigtigt forhold, som ikke må overses.
. . . and it is only those who refuse to face up to the facts and indeed positively distort the facts who could conceivably hold to the arguments which have been put forward.
Tugendhat. — (EN) Jeg er enig med det ærede medlem i, at det spørgsmål, hun rejser, er vigtigt, og jeg vil henlede min kollega, hr. Giolittis opmærksomhed på spørgsmålet.
President. — In the absence of their authors, Question Nos 2 and 3 will receive a written reply.1
Selvfølgelig har de meget abrupte bevægelser i valutaer uden for det europæiske monetære system efter min mening været til meget stor skade for de pågældende lande.
Does not the Commission think that the present trend in the British economy, which gives priority to stabilizing exchange rates, is a precursory sign of the United Kingdom's probable intention to join the European Monetary System?
Sir Frederick Catherwood. — (EN) Vil kommissæren kommentere det så ofte nævnte forhold, at hvis ster ling kom til, ville EMS blive oversvømmet?
Mr Tugehdhat. — I cannot comment on the statement of the Chancellor to which Sir Fred Warner referred because I myself have not read it.
Mener han ikke, at udviklingen af EMS i virkeligheden kræver, at alle medlemslandenes valutaer, og specielt en vigtig valuta, burde være med i det?
But I think that the experience of Member States within the Community shows that membership of the European Monetary System has been helpful in contributing both to more stable exchange rates with orderly movements, as and when they are required, and to counter-inflation policy.
Jeg er imidlertid absolut enig med sir Brandon Rhys Williams, her som i så mange andre forhold, i, at en mere intensiv samordning af monetær og økonomisk politik absolut er nødvendig for at hidføre den konvergens af økonomien, der på sin side kan føre til et mere holdbart, stabilt valutakurssystem inden for Fællesskabet.
I think that it is very important indeed that the countries of the Community should be able to undertake coordinated intervention in the exchange markets and that they should be able to speak with one voice in dealing with
Europa-Parlamentets forhandlinger nye skibsbygningsordrer er mere end det dobbelte af andelen for alle skibsbyggende lande i EF tilsammen?
Tugendhat external problems. I think that, were we able to do that, the difficult problems of inflation that we face would be less difficult — they would of course still be difficult — less difficult to handle.
Narjes. — (DE) Kommissionen er sig disse tal og den udvikling, der finder udtryk i dem, fuldt bevidst.
parities, would the system not therefore require a real convergence of economic policies by each of the Member States?
Jeg vil gerne gentage: såvel under den tidligere ophugningsaktion som under den aktion, der for tiden undersøges, er vi stødt på betydelige vanskeligheder, der først og fremmest skal søges i finansieringen af disse skridt.
But if the monetary system instead turns to purchasing power parities, can we not have frequent small adjustments, instead of very large ones from time to time?
Disse foranstaltninger kan kun finansieres på nationalt plan, men alligevel har et lille mindretal af medlemsstaterne hidtil vægret sig ved at deltage i en sådan aktion.
President. — As my speakers' list is considerably longer than I hoped, I now declare it closed.
Tugendhat. — (EN) Det ærede medlem rejste en række spørgsmål.
Mr Tugendhat. — I do not think it is entirely fair to say that the European Monetary System is based on fixed exchange rates; it has very recently been shown that they can be moved.
Jeg tror ikke, at pund sterling ville oversvømme det europæiske monetære system ved sin ankomst.
I think that what the system is about is adjustable exchange rates that can be adjusted in response to market forces, but in an orderly fashion without disruption.
Vel er sterling en betydningsfuld international valuta, men D-mark f.eks. er under moderne forhold, for at sige det mildt, lige så betydningsfuld. Jeg tror, at systemet udmærket ville være i stand til at kumme pundet, trods dettes tilknytning til olievalutaerne.
Of course, the very sharp fluctuations in currencies outside the European Monetary System have, I think, been very much to the disadvantage of the countries concerned.
Hvis vi kan udvikle det europæiske monetære system, tror jeg det er i alle Europas folks interesse, for så kan ECU'en udvikles til en alternativ værdi enhed til dollaren, hvilket vil muliggøre samordnet intervention på valutamarkederne, og jeg anser det for afgørende, for nu at gå videre til den europæiske valutafond, at sterling er med i det europæiske monetære system.
Mr Herman. — (FR) Can the Commissioner inform Parliament of the reasons why, in its negotiations with the Commission, the United Kingdom Government is so slow to recognize the sound reasons he has quoted, since he himself states that the time has come for the United Kingdom to join the European Monetary System?
de Ferranti. — (EN) Har kommissæren nogle tal, eller kan han fremskaffe nogle tal for forskellen i produktion pr. mand i værftsindustrien i Japan og værftsindustrien i Europas lande?
Mr Seal. — Would the Commissioner not agree that as long as we have got differing rates of inflation in the different Member States, we are going to have to continually adjust the exchange rates, as we just have in the recent example he has given?
Narjes. — (DE) Der findes sådanne tal, men jeg har dem i øjeblikket ikke hos mig.
Mr Tugendhat. — I think that question too ought best to be directed to people outside this House.
Jeg skal gerne stille dem til det ærede medlems rådighed.
The pressure would have to be carried on the rate of exchange.
Jeg kan kun slutte med at sige, at jeg tror, det vil være i det britiske folks såvel som i selve det monetære systems velforståede interesse, at sterling indgår i det europæiske monetære system som fuldt virksomt medlem. »Fuldt virksomt« er et vigtigt udtryk, for naturligvis er pundet allerede på visse felter involveret ¡EMS.
It has been remarkably successful at bringing about a certain orderliness in international exchange markets, and I would have thought that he of all people, coming as he does from the United Kingdom, would appreciate the fact that it is the very wide fluctuations — the sudden upward rushes followed by sudden downward swoops — that do so much damage to industrial prospects.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 8 af von Wogau (H-297/81):
Question No 7, by Miss Quin (H-285/
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 7 af Quin (H-285/81):
President. 81): across the Community and not to have these very wide variations between different countries that exist at the moment.
I forlængelse af Kommissionens svar på mit spørgsmål nr. H-117/81 (') vil jeg gerne have oplyst følgende: Hvilke initiativer er der taget på grundlag af Kommissionens undersøgelser med henblik på at finde måder til at nå nogle af de grundlæggende mål for en »aktion ophugning-nybygning« inden for skibsbygningsindustrien, især stimuleringen af efterspørgslen?
Further to the Commission's answer to my Oral Ques tion No H-l 17/81,' what initiatives have resulted from the Commission's studies to find ways of achieving 'some of the basic objectives of a "scrap and build" programme in the shipbuilding industry, in particular the revival of demand'?
Er det rigtigt, at det i Kommissionen overvejes at kræve obligatorisk oprindelsesmærkning for varer, som importeres fra tredjelande, og tager Kommissionen i den forbindelse hensyn til risikoen for, at der herved lægges hindringer i vejen for handelen med varer inden for Fællesskabet, herunder også den passive forædling, hvilket ikke mindst kan blive til skade for tekstilproduktionen inden for Fællesskabet?
Miss Quin. — Can the Commissioner inform me whether the Commission has made any studies of the effects on Britain's regions and the special develop ment areas if Britain were to join the EMS? I have not been able to discover any such studies undertaken within the UK and yet I feel it is an important aspect which should not be overlooked.
Narjes, medlem af Kommissionen. — (DE) Kommissionen har indtil nu ikke taget noget initiativ til indførelse af en anden fællesskabsaktion, der kunne være egnet til at genoplive efterspørgslen efter skibe på Fællesskabets værfter, og som også var egnet til at afløse det tidligere kommissionsforslag om ophugning og nybygning. Det hidtidige initiativ kunne, som man vil huske, ikke gennemføres med held af de grunde, som Kommissionen forelagde for forsamlingen i mødeperioden i juli 1981.
Mr Narjes, Member of the Commission. — (DE) The Commission has as yet taken no new initiative for the introduction of another Community action which would be capable of bringing about a revival of demand for ships from Community yards and could replace the Commission's earlier 'scrap and build' proposal.
Narjes, medlem af Kommissionen. — (DE) Jeg vil gerne erindre forsamlingen om mit indlæg herom den 16. september.
Sir Frederick Catherwood. — Would the Commissioner like to comment on the point that is often made that if sterling joined it would swamp the EMS?
Kommissionen har besluttet ikke at fastholde sit oprindelige forslag til direktiv fra Rådet om oprindelsesmærkning for bestemte tekstilvarer.
Would he not think that in fact the development of the EMS actually requires that each one of the member currencies, and especially an important one, should be a member of it?
Den vil fortsætte sine undersøgelser over andre former for en fælles ordning, der kan komme i betragtning, men har indtil nu ikke besluttet at foreslå en obligatorisk oprindelsesangivelse for importerede tekstilvarer.
The Commission is at present giving its attention to an action designed to provide easier credit terms for the purchase af ships by Community shipping companies and is examining the detailed possibilities for implementation of such an arrangement.
Det forhold, som det ærede medlem har bragt på tale i anden del af sit spørgsmål, vil der blive taget tilbørligt hensyn til under undersøgelsen af denne sag, der endnu i er i gang.
It hopes to achieve rapid progress but cannot at present give any commit ments as to the outcome or date on which its proposals will be finalized, because it has encountered a number of difficulties for which a detailed solution is not yet in sight.
Kommissionens opmærksomhed er for tiden helliget en aktion på området kreditlettelser ved fællesskabsrederiers køb af skibe og undersøger detaljerne i gennemførligheden af en sådan aktion.
Secondly would he also comment on whether the interest rates would be higher or lower if the United Kingdom were within the EMS and not trying to carry the entire burden of stability of the exchange rate on its own?
von Wogau. — (DE) Når Det europæiske Fællesskab tager skridt til beskyttelse udadtil, som det f.eks. til en vis grad er tilfældet ved tekstilaftalen, så har dette, som erfaringen viser, også altid virkninger for vare handelen inden for Fællesskabet.
Mr Narjes, Member of the Commission. — (DE) The Commission is fully aware of these figures and of the trend which they reflect.
Der fastsættes nemlig interne kvoter for Fællesskabet, dvs. det bestemmes, hvor meget Frankrig, Tyskland eller Storbritannien kan indføre; men så bliver disse kvoter måske overskredet, så der igen skal træffes interne beskyttelsesforanstaltninger. sesforanstaltninger.
May I repeat that both in our earlier 'scrap and build' programme and in the programme which is currently being studied we have encountered considerable difficulties, attributable mainly to the problem of financing the necessary measures. These measures can only be financed at national level, but so far a small minority of Member States has refused to take part in such a programme.
Quin. — (EN) Svaret er temmelig skuffende.
Mr Tugendhat. — The honourable gentleman raised a number of questions.
Jeg vil gerne bede Kommissionen om at se på denne sag som noget særdeles presserende. Er Kommissionen klar over, at OECD-tallene for i år viser, at Japans andel i
I do not believe that the arrival of the pound sterling in the European Monetary System would swamp it.
Jeg vil derfor gerne spørge Kommissionen, om den netop i sammenhæng med verdenstekstilaftalen ser muligheder for at udelukke dette fænomen.
Mr de Ferranti. — Has the Commissioner any figures, or would he be able to get any figures on the differ ence in output per man between the shipbuilding industry of Japan and the shipbuilding industry of the countries of Europe?
Mødet mandag den 12. oktober 1981
Debates of the European Parliament
17 de Ferranti. — (EN) Er Kommissionen ikke enig i, at generelt set er brugen af oprindelsesmærkning en betydelig handelshindring, og at det ville være bedre, hvis Kommissionen beslutsomt modsatte sig både nationale og fællesskabsbestemmelser om oprindelsesmærkning? mærkning?
Mr Narjes. — (DE) The Commission is perfectly aware of the need to take effective Community measures to prevent fraudulent imports. It is, however, also convinced that labelling, i.e. compulsory designation of origin, is not a suitable instrument.
Narjes. — (DE) Kommissionen er udmærket klar over de forhold, det ærede medlem har beskrevet.
Mr Narjes, Member of the Commission. — (DE) I should like to remind the House of the remarks which I made on this subject on 16 September.
Det drejer sig her om at forhindre, at forskellige ordninger udadtil omsættes i fragmentariske virkninger indadtil.
The points raised by the honourable Member in the second part of his question will be duly considered as our studies of this matter progress further.
Netop derfor har den taget de tidligere forslag tilbage og forpligtet sig til at overveje fællesskabsmæssige foranstaltninger udadtil.
I feel that the Commissioner seems to be taking this matter just a little lightly and I would ask him to bear these far-away places in mind in this connection.
Den er i gang med at forberede beslutninger, der kan sikre, at der ikke tilvejebringes noget påskud til genindførelse af interne grænser.
I would therefore ask the Commission whether it sees any possibility of excluding this phenomenon in connection with the world textile agreement.
Narjes. — (DE) Grundtanken i indlægget er jeg enig i.
Mr Narjes. — (DE) That is exactly what I have in mind.
I virkeligheden kan det ikke afvises, at oprindelsesmærkninger og -betegnelser undertiden har tjent som påskud til protektionistiske foranstaltninger, og at en sådan adfærd ikke fortjener beskyttelse.
Where a designation of origin is seen as a standard of quality, the producer is not only allowed to advertise with that indication of origin; it is also in his own interest to do so.
Elaine Kellett-Bowman. — (EN) Er Kommissionen ikke enig i, at Fællesskabets husmødre, der står for størsteparten af den slags indkøb, har al mulig ret til præcist at vide, hvor de varer er lavet, som de køber?
Mr Narjes. — (DE) The Commission is well aware of the circumstances which the honourable Member has described. We must prevent differing external regulations from having a fragmentary internal effect.
De anser jo nationale produkter for at være af høj kvalitet og bør vide, hvornår det ikke er nationale produkter.
That is the very reason why the Commission withdrew its earlier proposals and undertook to reconsider common external measures.
Seal. — (EN) Vil Kommissionen huske på under sine videre drøftelser, at den allerede her i forsamlingen har lovet mig at se på spørgsmålet om oprindelsesmærkning for at hindre noget af den svig, der sker ved brug af urigtig mærkning?
Mr Seal. — Would the Commission bear in mind in these further discussions that it has already promised me in this House to look at the problem of origin labelling, in order to prevent some of the frauds being perpetrated by fraudulent labels?
Vil Kommissionen også huske på, at den har et ansvar over for forbrugerne i EF, som har ret til at vide, når de køber varer, hvor disse varer faktisk er fremstillet, eller om de er lavet under anvendelse af teknikken med ekstern forædling?
19 these partners in the third world, or elsewhere. A distinction must be drawn between these two different possibilities.
Narjes. — (DE) Kommissionen er absolut klar over nødvendigheden af gennem fællesskabsforanstaltninger at hindre svigagtig import.
Mrs Kellett-Bowman. — Would the Commission not agree that the Community's housewives, who do most of the buying in this direction, have every right to know precisely where the goods that they are buying were made?
Det er imidlertid dens overbevisning, at labelling, dvs. obligatorisk oprindelsesmærkning, ikke er noget egnet middel.
They do regard home products as being of a high standard and they should know when they are not home products.