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Rådet har ment, at den vedvarende karakter af ordningen med de monetære udligningsbeløb var et anslag mod den fælles landbrugspolitik, og at alt det, som direkte eller indirekte skulle regu
This discussion was followed by exchanges of views at various levels within the Council, with particular refer ence to a gradual resumption of financial cooperation under the special aid programme decided upon in 1980.
Hr. formand, jeg er meget chokeret over, at De — Rådet — har anvendt artikel 93.
The Council has not yet concluded its deliberations, and at the present stage no decision
Guermeur dene en momslettelse på 5% kan ligestilles med di rekte national støtte. Foruden den delvise renationalisering af den fælles landbrugspolitik, som denne for anstaltning bevirker, skal der heri ses en ændring i den fælles landbrugspolitiks retning mod en ordning á la efficiency payment.
Andreotti has been taken with regard to a possible resumption of financial cooperation with Turkey.
Men det er overhovedet ikke tilfældet : det drejer sig også om fællesskabsmidler, da en nedsættelse i momsen vedrører Fællesskabets egne indtægter.
I would remind the Council that in the first reading of the budget last November this Parliament voted to block payments under Items 9632 and 9631 of the Fourth Financial Protocol to Turkey.
Foranstaltningen er derfor helt ulovlig og i mod strid med traktaterne; den har i virkeligheden ingen værdi, og den dag, Kommissionen indbringer sagen for Domstolen, vil man se, at der har været en slags omgåelse af proceduren. Jeg ser gerne, at De giver mig et svar her, hr. formand.
Political trials continue — of intellectuals, of members of the peace movement, of trade unionists who, I believe, every Member of this Parliament would say, are legitimate voices in any democratic society.
Hvilke foranstaltninger agter Rådet at træffe for at korrigere denne uligevægt?
In practice this means including the Association Council at Minister level. That way you would be credible.
Kunne det ikke som mod vægt vedtage helt at afskaffe de resterende positive monetære udligningsbeløb?
But you lack the political courage to do so, and therefore, you have opted for gradual reestablishment.
Andreotti. — (IT) Rådet har anvendt fremgangsmåden i artikel 93 i traktaten, som fastsætter, at det er nødvendigt med en begæring fra en medlemsstat. Samme artikel giver i øvrigt mulighed for, såfremt man mener, at der foreligger uforenelighed med fæl lesmarkedet, at indbringe sagen for Domstolen.
In the light of a recent Amnesty International report, I would like assurances from the Council that even talks on a resumption of aid to Turkey will not be resumed within the Council until this Parliament in this legislative period has taken a position on the political situation in Turkey.
Andreotti. — (IT) Rådets afgørelse blev truffet på baggrund af, at repræsentanter for Forbundsrepublikken Tyskland redegjorde for en absolut uholdbar krise, der var opstået i deres land.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I have just said that no decision has yet been taken.
Den fik derfor karakter af en undtagelse, og som det undertiden sker, under disse afgørelser — lige som alle kompromiser — med at have en politisk rækkevidde med den konsekvens, at den indeholder ting, der behager, og an dre, som ikke gør det.
I cannot therefore simply put the whole matter to one side. In any case I think we all appreciate how delicate the political situation is and we would all share a concern to see a country get back on the road to recovery.
Nu er det sandt, at en nedsættelse af momsen, der udgør en procentdel af indtægterne på budgettet, uundgåeligt bevirker en formindskelse af disse ind tægter, men retligt set kan den fulgte fremgangsmåde ikke bestrides, og politisk set har man ikke ment at kunne undlade at anvende den.
Mr Van Miert (S). — (NL) Does the President-in-Office of the Council not feel that, so long as advocates who defend accused persons are in their turn accused — this is what happened in the DISK trade union case, and subsequently in relation to the peace movement; in the meantime a new generation of advocates has defended those accused persons and these are now prosecuted in their turn — does he not think that there is a kind of totalitarian system operating here and that as long as this is going on there can be no legal system worthy of the name nor any question of applying the financial protocol?
Adamou (COM). — (GR) Jeg vil gerne stille et tillæg spørgsmål, som har relation til landmændenes ind tægt generelt.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I should like to ask Mr Fellermaier not to drag political courage into this. No special political courage is needed to deal with a topic of this kind.
Van Miert (S). — (NL) Jeg troede, at dette var spørgetid og ikke en ny forhandling om et bestemt emne.
Under a previous stewardship a beginning was made of examining this whole problem.
Jeg vil gerne anmode Dem om at afvikle spørgetiden i overensstemmelse med forretningsordenen. denen.
But how can anyone argue that it was wrong to study this matter or that it should not be studied any more or that the whole situation should be allowed to drift on as it is until 30 June?
I de sidste år er fastsættelsen af landbrugspriserne næsten hvert år blevet forsinket, således at landmæn dene lider tab på grund af denne forsinkelse.
How can anyone claim that no real progress can have been made, when even Amnesty International itself acknowledges the improvement in the situation? Well, this is something that you will not hear me say.
Jeg vil gerne spørge rådsformanden, om vi vil opleve den samme forsinkelse i år, eller om priserne på land brugsprodukter vil blive fastsat i tide.
On the other hand, I do not want anyone to think either that where dictatorships or semi-dictatorships or dictatorial regimes are concerned, we are inclined to turn a blind eye or give preferential treatment.
Formanden. — Hr. Van Miert, jeg mener, at denne spørgetid afvikles i overensstemmelse med det, der er fastsat i forretningsordenen.
The way we treat a problem is always geared towards the sole objective of affirming ever more vigorously the ideal of liberty for all human beings.
Andreotti. — (IT) Hvis man spørger mig, om afgørelsen vil blive truffet i rette tid, vil jeg svare ja.
Mrs Ewing (RDE). — Could I ask the President-in-Office a very simple question?
Vi vil søge at fremme de to ting samtidig, for også jeg mener, at forsinkelser i grunden ikke gav ner nogen og medfører både psykologiske og økonomiske skader.
If he accepts it, can he possibly give us other than a categorical assurance, given the suppression of the press, the clear evidence of severe tortures and the fact that there have been 15 000 recent political arrests and that there are 400 people under sentence of death?
Derfor vil vi anmode landbrugsministrene om hurtigst muligt at træffe afgørelse sideløbende med det, vi skal gøre for budgettet.
Does he accept the figures given in the report of Amnesty International?
Patterson (ED). — (EN) Er rådsformanden klar over, at sagen er tabt på gulvet, eftersom Parlamentet har fået forelagt et forslag til direktiv, der med tilbagevirkende kraft ændrer det sjette momsdirektiv for at lovliggøre det, der er sket?
Mr Pannella (NI). — (IT) Yes, Mr President-in-Office, dictatorship up to a certain point!
Er han klar over, at Par lamentet i Beumer-betænkningen både har forkastet lovligheden og anvendelsen af det, der er foretaget, og at Parlamentet ikke på nogen måde agter med tilbagevirkende kraft at gøre noget lovligt, der har været ulovligt?
After all, when you were in Poland recently, you know, you expressed the hope that certain sanctions would be removed, and they have got a dictatorship there!
Formanden. — Da de følgende spørgsmål vedrører samme emne, vil vi under ét behandle spørgsmål nr. 74 af Tongue (H-427/84):
However, to return to the question before us today, your statement of two hours ago or four hours ago evoked much satisfaction in this Chamber.
Andreotti. — (IT) Beumer-betænkningen er endnu ikke fremsendt til Rådet, hvorfor jeg endnu ikke har noget kendskab til den.
If the Council were to take any decision without taking into account Parliament's opinion on anv new factors that may have entered into the situation, do you not think this would be seriously in conflict with your state ment?
Om : Finansiel hjælp til Tyrkiet
That is the question I would like to put to you.
Der går rygter om, at Rådet vil genoptage den finansielle hjælp til Tyrkiet under den særlige hjælpefond (konto 9632 i budget tet).
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I shall have this Amnesty Inter national report looked into.
Mouchel (RDE). — (FR) Hr. rådsformand, afgørelsen om at give Tyskland mulighed for at give landmæn
I have not yet come across it, and it is not included in the dossier.
Kan Rådet forsikre Parlamentet om, at det ikke vil træffe for anstaltninger til en genoptagelse af den finansielle hjælp til Tyrkiet under den særlige hjælpefond eller under nogen anden budgetpost før Parlamentet har taget stilling til den politiske situation i Tyrkiet?
I have just read in the press that six death sentences against Turkish Democrats have just been confirmed by a Turkish military court — this proves that there is not any movement towards democracy, as some would have us believe. But, as I said, a political decision was taken during the budget debate.
og spørgsmål nr. 89 af Van Miert (H-450/84):
President. — Question No 75, by Mr Toksvig (H451/84):
Om: Tyrkiet
Subject: European Synchrotron Radiation Facility ity
Den 11. september 1984 drøftede ministrene i Dublin situationen i Tyrkiet herunder Tyrkiets forbindelser med Det euro pæiske Fællesskab.
We have refused to enter in the budget, and we have placed in reserve, the appropriations earmarked for the fourth financial protocol or for financial aid.
Ewing (RDE). — (EN) Må jeg stille rådsformanden et meget enkelt spørgsmål?
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) This problem is being considered. ered.
Andreotti. — (IT) Jeg vil lade foretage en undersøgelse af denne rapport fra Amnesty International, som jeg ikke kender, og som ikke findes i aktsamlingen.
It decided to examine the report drawn up by the chairman of the Progress Committee of the SRF, which studies certain aspects of the criteria to be respected in selecting the site for the facility.
Andreotti, formand for Rådet. — (IT) Lige som Euro pa-Parlamentet følger Rådet opmærksomt udviklingen i den interne situation i Tyrkiet. I betragtning af den udvikling, der er sket i dette land siden dannelsen af den civile regering under den nuværende premierminister, er det rigtigt, at De Ti's ministre, forsamlet i Dublin den 11. september 1984 inden for rammerne af det politiske samarbejde drøftede situation i Tyrkiet samt dette lands fremtidige forbindelser med Det europæiske Fællesskab.
Mr Wedekind (PPE). — (DE) Mr President-in-Office of the Council, if you state in connection with Turkey that you do not close or half-close your eyes to dictatorships or semi-dictatorships, what attitude does the Council of Ministers adopt to the some 120 states throughout the world, which include almost all Lomé countries, all of which are dictatorships and some of which are dictatorships of the worst kind?
Efter denne debat har der været drøftelser i Rådets instanser; de har specielt drejet sig om muligheden for en gradvis genoptagelse af det finansielle samarbejde inden for rammerne af den særlige hjælp, som blev besluttet i 1980, hvori ligeledes indgår det TEK-projekt, som hr. Van Miert omtaler.
In their case financial aid is given without any distinction what soever; but in the case of Turkey the standard of a Westminster style democracy is immediately imposed.
Overvejelserne i Rådet er endnu ikke af sluttet, og Rådet har endnu ikke truffet nogen afgørelse om en eventuel genoptagelse af det finansielle sam arbejde med Tyrkiet.
The moral attitude adopted not only by the Council of Ministers but, as one would expect, by Parliament as a whole is nothing more than a pseudo morality!
Tongue (S). — (EN) For det første er jeg slet ikke tilfreds med det svar, jeg netop har fået, for det er i virkeligheden ikke et svar på mit spørgsmål. Jeg min der Rådet om, at Parlamentet under budgettets førstebehandling i november vedtog at blokere betalingerne under konto 9632 og også konto 9631 vedrørende den fjerde finansprotokol med Tyrkiet.
As it was physically impossible to cope with all these problems at the meeting of 19 December, the Council agreed to consider them again at its next meeting which is fixed for 5 February.
Årsagerne til vor holdning er helt klare.
IN THE CHAIR: MR SEEFELD
Men De mangler det politiske mod her, og derfor går De via den gradvis genoptagelse.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I have a feeling that this discussion is getting out of hand.
Jeg spørger Dem nu: Hvad vil De som formand for Ministerrådet foreslå Deres kolleger under det italien ske rådsformandskab?
It may be that some day we will embark upon a debate where it will be appropriate to use these terms, but at the moment I do not want to go making sweeping distinctions between dictatorships and semi-dictatorships.
Vil De foreslå noget, eller vil De ikke foreslå noget?
I have given a reply along more general lines.
Dette spørgsmål kunne egentlig besvares med et enkelt ja eller nej, og så ville Par lamentet være i stand til ud fra det ja eller nej endelig at erkende, hvad Rådets holdning er.
In any case, it seems to me that one of the essential features of the aids we give to the Third World and indeed of all our ACP activities is the fact that we do not pass political judgments on the various countries with which we have to deal.
I lyset af en nylig rapport fra Amnesty International vil jeg gerne have forsikringer fra Rådet om, at endog ikke forhandlingerne om en genoptagelse af hjælpen til Tyrkiet vil blive genoptaget i Rådet, før Parlamentet i denne valgperiode har taget stilling til den politiske situation i Tyrkiet.
Mr Toksvig (ED). — (DA) Thank you for the answer. However, I should like to put just one short supplementary question: will the Council come to Parliament's Committee on Energy, Research and Technology and discuss the decisions which will be taken in due course concerning the siting of the synchroton?
Wedekind (PPE). - (DE) Hr. rådsformand, når De ikke halvt eller helt lukker øjnene for diktaturer eller halvdiktaturer og mener dette i nogen som helt sam menhæng med Tyrkiet, hvorledes forholder Minister rådet sig da egentlig til de cirka 120 stater i denne verden, herunder næsten alle Lomé-stater, der alle er diktaturer til dels af den frygteligste slags?
that matter and, secondly, whether, in fact, the exclusive economic zone around the Island of Rockall together with its hydrocarbon resources is recognized by the Community as being part of the United King dom and the responsibility of the United Kingdom.
Hvad er det egentlig for en pseudomoral, der praktiseres her — ikke blot af Ministerrådet, men naturligvis også af hele Parlamentet! tet!
I therefore propose that we finish Question Time with the Council, close the sitting as scheduled at 8 p.m. and postpone the vote until 6 p.m. tomorrow.
Er der nogen der mener, at når det drejer sig om diktatur eller halvdiktatur eller eftervirkninger af diktaturer, ønsker man at lukke øjnene eller yde særbehandling?
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I intend no disrespect to any island whatsoever when I say that I feel that Gibraltar may well give rise to far more serious problems than the island of Rockall.
Behandlingen bør snarere altid og udelukkende tage sigte på en sta dig mere og fuldstændig bekræftelse af frihed for alle.
In any case, I must repeat what I said before, namely, that it is not for us in the Council to define the boundaries between one State and another.
Jeg har givet et svar af mere generel karakter.
Are there any objections?
Hvad det øvrige angår, forekommer det mig, at et af kendetegnene ved støtten til den tredje verden og derfor også ved hele vor AVS-indsats er, at vi ikke afgiver bedømmelser af politisk karakter af de forskellige stater, fordi vi sandsynligvis, hvis det for holdt sig således, fuldstændig måtte revidere vore ret ningslinjer.
Mr Tomlinson (S). — Will the President-in-Office accept it from me that I welcome his response in relation to the Island of Rockall, and will he accept also that he will be in serious trouble, as will the Council, if they try to determine the economic integrity of Rock all as part of the United Kingdom?
Pannella (NI). - (IT) Hr. rådsformand, ja, diktatur indtil et vist punkt, for som De udmærket ved, ønskede De under Deres nylige besøg i Polen, at visse former for boykot skulle ophøre i Polen, og dér er der diktatur; De beklager det ikke.
Mr von der Vring (S). — (DE) Mr President, I should like to ask the Chair if we are pushed for time tomorrow, to ensure that we will conclude the voting before breaking for lunch since we shall, in any event, have a night sitting tomorrow.
Jeg tror ikke, at nogen kan bestride, at Tyrkiet har tilbagelagt et stykke af vejen.
We shall con tinue now with Question Time and close the sitting shortly before 8 p.m.
Det rette øjeblik til at undersøge det og vurdere det vil komme, men ingen kan bestride, at situationen i dag er bedre end for et år siden.
President. — As they deal with similar subjects, the following questions will be taken together.
Andreotti. — (IT) Derfor sagde jeg netop, at vi ikke vil vedtage noget forslag.
Question No 76, by Mr Ford (H-459/84):
Vi har en forhandling om Tyrkiet.
Subject: European relief agency
De svar, vi har fået, kan være tilfredsstillende eller ej, men lad de medlemmer, der vil tale om Tyrkiet, fortsætte med at tale om dette problem.
What is the status of the Island of Rockall within the European Community; is it accepted as an integral part of Great Britain; does the Com munity recognize the validity of the Island of Rockall Act 1972 incorporating the Island into the District of Harris in the County of Inverness?
Jeg mener virkelig, at der er ting at se på og ændre i forbindelse med spørgetiden. Jeg er absolut utilfreds med det, der er sket i den sidste time.
In view of the inevitable delays involved in work ing through a number of relief agencies, will the Council consider the establishment of a Central Community Relief Agency, specially geared to getting agricultural surpluses quickly to emergency localities?
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 75 af Toksvig (H451/84):
Question No 66, by Mr Andrews (H-388/84):
Chambeiron (COM). — (FR) Jeg vil tillade mig at gøre rådsformanden opmærksom på, at Europa-Parlamentet har givet udtryk for sin politiske vilje.
Mr Andreotti, President-in-Office of the Council. — (IT) I do not think that it is any part of the Council's work to define the territory of the Member States.
Om: En europæisk bestråhngssynkrotron
Subject: Food assistance to hunger-stricken countries tries
Vil Rådet meddele resultaterne af sine drøftelser den 6. no vember 1984 om forslaget om at oprette en europæisk bestrålingssynkrotron?
Could the Council tell us why, considering that some of its food productions are in excess, it does not increase its food assistance in favour of populations suffering from starvation?
Mener De ikke, at den bedste måde, hvorpå Rådet kunne bevise sin vilje til at respektere Europa-Parlamentets holdning, ville være at undlade at opføre bevillingerne til den fjerde protokol og særhjælp ved forelæggelsen af det næste budget?
I see further problems arising over Gibraltar when Spain joins the Community and I hope that the Foreign Ministers will at least agree something with regard to those issues, which are going to be running sores in the Community unless they come to some decision.
Andreotti, formand for Rådet. — (IT) Rådet drøftede på samlingen den 6. november 1984 de forskellige aspekter af projektet vedrørende Det europæiske Synkrotronbestrålingscenter (ESRF), som European Science Foundation har taget initiativet til.
Mr Andreotti, President-in-Office of the Council. — (IT) In replying to the questions by Mr Andrews and Mr Seligman, I would refer to written replies already given by the Council last December to questions put down by Mr Ephremidis and Sir James Scott-Hopkins.
Det besluttede også at gennemgå den rapport, som er udarbejdet af formanden for »Progress Committee —
Equally, I can see problems surrounding the Island of Rockall.
Andreotti. — (IT) Spørgsmålet er ved at blive undersøgt. dersøgt.
(The President urged the speaker to put a question)
Andreotti, formand for Rådet. — (IT) Jeg tror ikke, at det tilkommer Rådet at fastsætte medlemsstaternes territorium.
After that we thought of setting up a governmental agency, but it does not seem to me that the poor had much benefit from it!
ESRF«, og som behandler visse aspekter af de kriterier, som bør lægges til grund for valget af place ring.
300 000 tonnes will be provided under the Com munity's normal food aid programmes for 1985.
Da det af praktiske grunde ikke var muligt at drøfte disse spørgsmål på samlingen den 19. december 1984, blev det besluttet, at Rådet skal tage dem op på den samling, som eventuelt vil blive afholdt den 5. februar 1985.
Mr Cryer (S). — Would the President-in-Office not agree that in principle what is wanted is adequate machinery to transfer food from the bulging warehouses of the EEC to the needy peoples of the world, particularly Ethiopia and the Sahel?
Det tilkommer ikke Rådet hverken at kom mentere eller forklare holdninger, som indtages til dette spørgsmål uden for Rådets rammer.
Can he give this House an assurance that the delay and bureaucratic blundering in the transfer of food which distinguished 1984 will not be repeated and does he not consider that the distribution of food which has resulted in massive surpluses in the EEC and starvation in a significant area of the world is a crime against humanity and that the Council should use its best endeavours to remove that crime?
Ford (S). — (EN) Jeg finder dette svar uheldigt af to årsager.
Mr Seligman (ED). — I think Mr Andrews would say — with the enormous surpluses we have, is 1.2 million very much?
Jeg ser problemer fremover i forbindelse med Gibraltar, når Spanien tiltræder Fællesskabet, og jeg håber, at udenrigsministre i det mindste vil blive enige om noget med hensyn til disse sager, der vil blive et ømt punkt i Fællesskabet, medmindre de når til enighed.
Will the President-in-Office call for an EEC emergency relief agency to be set up which has immediate lien on adequate stocks of cereals allocated to emergency aid, so that the Commission is not caught unprepared in future and does not have to depend on member governments, shipping lines and NGOs to get emergency cereals to the mouths of the starving in time?
På samme måde kan jeg se problemer med øen Rockali. kali.
It is the delay that we want to deal with.
(Formanden anmodede taleren om at stille et spørgsmål)
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) I can assure the questioner that we are studying this problem in conjunction with the Commission.
Toksvig (ED). — Jeg takker for svaret og vil kun stil le et ganske kort tillægsspørgsmål : Vil Rådet komme til stede i Parlamentets energi, forsknings- og teknologiudvalg og gøre rede for den beslutning, der til sin tid vil blive truffet om placeringen af synkrotronen? nen?
Perhaps one solution that can be applied in an emergency, as is now being done in Italy with regard to Ethiopia, with satisfactory results, is that of asking the military authorities to make their freight transport planes available for delivering this aid.
Jeg mente, at jeg havde stillet et spørgsmål.
There is another big problem, that of internal distribution. tion.
Andreotti. — (IT) Svaret er bekræftende, idet forskningsministrene vil være til stede.
The problems are therefore of a technical nature.
Andreotti. — (IT) Selv om jeg har opmærksomheden henledt på enhver ø, mener jeg, at Gibraltar måske skaber et noget større problem end Rockall.
At all events, whether we look at it from a political or a moral point of view, we have to act quickly, since this food has to be distributed now, not next year.
Formanden. — I henhold til dagsordenen foretages der kl. 10.00 afstemning om de beslutningsforslag, hvorom forhandlingen er afsluttet.
Mr Andreotti. — (IT) The Commission already has the powers to organize these aids as quickly as possible.