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Schwalba-Hoth (ARC). - (DE) Jeg er i dette tilfælde for bibeholdelse af den parlamentariske immunitet.
Mr Schwalba-Hoth (ARC). — (DE) In this case I am in favour of maintaining parliamentary immunity.
Dette siger jeg som medlem af de grønne, hvis med lemmer målrettet angribes af neonazister og ncofascister.
I say this as a representative of the Greens, who are the deliberate object of attacks by neonazis and neo-fascists.
Nogle af vore kontorer er af neofascistcr og neonazister blevet angrebet med brandbomber.
Some of our offices have been attacked by incendiaries. diaries.
Alligevel siges det i sagens akter, at retsforfølgningen er retlet mod hr. Almirante i dennes egenskab af politisk sekretær for MSI.
I see the MSI as following in the lines of fascism: that they do so ideologically is quite certain, though I am not so sure with regard to their organization.
Det forekommer ejendommeligt, at hr. Almirante alene kan gores til genstand for retsforfølgning, og at ikke også andre retsforfølges.
I regard neo-fascism, neo-nazism and right-wing radicalism as a threat, whether it be in the perfectly patent form of bomb-attacks on Italian trains and railway stations or on the Munich Oktoberfest or in the less patent form of xenophobia, one of the most recent results of which has been the murder of a Turk by neonazis in Hamburg. burg.
Jeg anser ncofascismen, neonazismen og den yderste højrefløj for en trussel, hvad enten de giver sig tydeligt til kende i form af attentater på italienske tog og banegårde og på oktoberfesten i München eller de latent er til stede i form af latent fremmedhad, som for nylig førte til drabet på en tyrk i Hamburg udført af neonazister.
Yet the indictment clearly states that proceed ings have been instituted against Mr Almirante in his capacity as national secretary of the MSI.
Alligevel anser jeg det i dette tilfælde for urimeligt og uheldigt at ophæve den parlamentariske immunitet.
It seems strange that proceedings are being taken against Mr Almirante alone, while none of the others are being prosecuted.
På grundlag heraf — og nu kommer jeg tilbage til det, jeg sagde før vedrørende vor sag — står vi over for en sag af politisk karakter.
Taking these facts into account, and to return to my earlier comments, we conclude that this is a political matter.
I særdeleshed når vi konstaterer, at det italienske deputeretkammer igennem tolv år ved gentagne lejligheder har ophævet hr. Almirantes parlamentariske immunitet, dog uden at han er blevet retsforfulgt, til trods for at der er truffet beslutning om ophævelse af den parlamentariske immunitet, samt at man periodisk vender tilbage til sagen.
We note, in particular, that despite the fact that the Italian Chamber of Deputies has waived Mr Almirante's parliamentary immunity on several occasions over the past twelve years, he has never actually been prosecuted, although the case is periodically re-opened.
Vi skal forfølge neofascistiske anslag, terroranslag, ad rettens vej, men det er forkert at gå frem mod neofascistiske partier ad rettens vej.
Neofascist terrorist attacks must be prosecuted in the courts, but it is wrong to apply the same treatment to neofascist parties.
Vi skal gå politisk frem mod neofascistiske partier, vi skal på stedet i forening forhindre, at neofascistiske møder kan finde sted.
Neofascist parties have to be tackled politically, their meetings have to be prevented on the spot by opposing political forces.
Der er nu engang en vis procentdel af vor befolkning, som stemmer for neofascistiske partier, og man kan desværre ikke ad rettens vej klare problemet neofascisme, racisme og neonazisme; det er en politisk sag!
You see, there is a certain percentage of our population which votes for neofascist parties, and the problem of neo-fascism, racialism and neo-nazism cannot, unfortunately, be resolved by legal means: the conflict is a political one.
Dersom man i Italien betragter MSI som et genopdukkende fascistisk parti, hvorfor så ikke i Italien finde lovbestemmelser til ret og slat at forbyde MSI?
Why, if the MSI is regarded as a reconstituted fascist party in Italy, have no legal measures been taken to simply ban it?
Det spørgsmål har man lov til at stille sig selv.
That is the obvious question.
Og stiller man dette spørgsmål med tilføjelse af alt det andet, så kommer man frem til at stille sig selv et sidste spørgsmål. Sker denne retsforfølgning i sidste ende ikke for at skade hr. Almirante i hans politiske virke? ke?
But if we ask ourselves that, while taking other aspects of the case into account, we come to another question: were these proceedings instituted to prejudice Mr Almirante's political activities? ties?
Hr. Almirante er på væsentlige punkter medansvarlig for dette partis politik, men han er ikke den eneste ansvarlige.
This is where the principle of 'fumus persecutionis' arises.
Jeg har ikke lyst til her at skabe en martyr, som så bagefter kan drive politik med denne martyrglorie.
As I have said, I do not share Mr Almirante's
Og dermed er vi kommet til fumus persecutionis.
When, in this case, one individual is accused of having built up a neofascist party, that, I think, is doing Mr Almirante too much honour.
Jeg sagde, at jeg ikke deler hr. Almirantes politiske an skuelser.
Mr Almirante bears an essential part of the responsibility for the policies of this party, but not the sole responsibility.
Europa-Parlamentets forhandlinger
So that, too, is all to the good.
Jeg beklager denne afgørelse. Jeg beklager den dybt.
I find this decision most regrettable, most regrettable.
Personlig glæder det mig såre, at vi er blevet ved tal let fjorten.
Our Committee, which had actually intended to vote on this report in December, raised the point that this change could only come into effect in 1987, since the Rules of Procedure state unambiguously that the present Bureau has been elected for two-and-a-half years.
Det glæder mig meget, at Europa-Parlamentet dermed får mulighed for at udpege en spanier og en portugiser til næstformænd, og derfor anmoder jeg Dem om at stemme for denne betænkning.
Here there is a difficulty, but there seems to be a determination to elect the two additional vice-presidents in February: that was the decision approved in committee, and that is what you will find in the explanatory statement to my report.
Formanden. — Hr. ordfører, det forholder sig nøjagtig, som De siger.
President. — It is exactly as the rapporteur has just said.
Det kommer klart til udtryk i artikel 5 i vor forretningsorden.
Rule 5 makes this quite clear.
Ændringer af forretningsordenen
Amendments to the Rules of Procedure
Vi har af mange grunde besluttet os til ikke at øge antallet af kvæstorer.
Personally, I am particularly gratified that we have fixed on the number of fourteen.
En forøgelse af antallet af næst formænd med to til fjorten svarer til forøgelsen af antallet af parlamentsmedlemmer med 25%.
It gives me pleasure to think that our Parliament will in this way be enabled to elect a Spanish and a Portuguese vice-president, and I therefore appeal to the House to vote for the report.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er be tænkning (dok.
President. — The next item is the report by Mr Wedekind, on behalf of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions, on the changes to be made to Rules 14 and 21 (number of Vice-Presidents) as a consequence of the accession of Spain and Portugal (Doc. A 2-159/85).
A 2-159/85) af Wedekind for udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender indeholdende ændringer til artikel 14 og 21 i forretningsor denen (antallet af næstformænd) i forbindelse med fællesskabets udvidelse med Portugal og Spanien.
For a variety of reasons, we decided not to increase the number of quaestors, but increasing the number of vice-presidents by two to fourteen reflects the increase by one-quarter in the total number of Members in this House.
Der vil blive eller skulle være stillet ændringsforslag.
A number of amendments are supposed to be tabled or to have been already tabled.
Jeg kender dem endnu ikke. Jeg kan endnu ikke tage stilling dertil.
I am not yet acquainted with them and am not yet in a position to express any view upon them.
Principielt vil jeg blot gerne sige: ud valget er under sine drøftelser hele tiden gået ud fra, at det, som flertallet i Europa-Parlamentet i sidste instans vedtager, i princippet også skal være udvalgets mening, for vi går ud fra, at en vedtagelse kun kan ske med kvalificeret flertal, dvs. med mere end 260 stemmer, og det kan principielt kun lade sig gøre, hvis alle grupper er for.
I should only like to say, as a matter of principle, that the committee has always based its opinions on the view that what is approved by a majority in this House should always be the view of the committee too, since we take it that a decision can only be adopted by a qualified majority — that is to say, by more than 260 votes — and that is possible only when it is supported by all political groups.
I mit første indlæg redegjorde jeg for den socialistiske gruppes holdning til første del af Wedekind-betænkningen, uden at jeg dog på det tidspunkt kom ind på de dybereliggende argumenter.
I ask, therefore, for the House's understanding if I use my own discretion when speaking for or against these amendments inasmuch as they have not been dealt with in committee.
Wedekind (PPE), ordfører. - (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, Parlamentet er blevet udvidet med et stort antal medlemmer, med 25%.
Mr Wedekind (PPE), rapporteur. — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, the membership of this Parliament has been increased by a considerable number amounting to one-quarter of the total.
Da forretningsordenen ikke blev ændret ved Grækenlands til trædelse, forekom det udvalget for forretningsor denen og for andragender nødvendigt at overveje, om antallet af næstformænd skulle øges eller forblive tolv.
Since the Rules of Procedure had not been changed when Greece joined the Community, the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions thought it necessary to consider whether the number of vice-presidents should be increased or left at twelve.
Der fandt langvarige drøftelser sted vedrørende antallet af næstformænd.
There were long discussions on what the number should be.
Nogle mente, man skulle have et større antal for i det mindste at sikre, at samt lige Fællesskabets lande kunne få en næstformand.
Some thought that it should be increased in order to ensure that all member countries of the Community were able to provide a vice-president.
Andre ville lade det blive ved tolv, fordi tolv er sådan et dejligt tal — et gammelt magisk tal: de tolv apostle, de tolv måneder, de tolv timer o.lign.
Others thought it should be left at twelve, since twelve is such a wonderful number — an ancient magic number: the twelve apostles, the twelve months of the year, the twelve hours of the clock, and so on.
Efter at gruppeformændene havde drøftet, om de ønskede tolv eller fjorten næstformænd — og denne drøftelse er, så vidt jeg kan se, først blevet afsluttet i eftermiddags eller i sidste uge — synes Parlamentet nu at ville gå ind for fjorten formænd.
Mr Barón Crespo (S). — (ES) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, in my earlier speech I explained the position of the Socialist Group on this first part of the Wedekind report, although without at that stage entering into the arguments of substance.
Selvom betænkningen udgjorde en helhed, blev den i månedernes løb delt op i to.
Four teen, too, is a good number: two times seven, and seven is a sacred number.
Hr. Wedekind, hvis holdning til udvidelsen er meget mere positiv nu end i december, må tillade mig en enkelt korrektion.
Last century, the British Prime Minister of the time, Mr Disraeli, observed that political bodies could only
Det kan anfægtes, for det sidste valg var gyldigt, og præsidiet er indsat.
Whereas it was originally a single whole, this report has been divided into two as the months have gone by.
Vi er tilhængere af en forøgelse til 14 næstformænd.
I do not think that there is very much to add on this subject.
Det er dog absolut muligt, at man
I do not propose to go into the magic signifie-
Jeg for står overhovedet ikke, hvorfor en udvidelse af præsidiet, altså valg af næstformændene til februar, skulle give anledning til problemer for Parlamentets funktion. tion.
I know that 7 is a biblical number, as are multiples of 7. I do not have absolute confidence in the value of the figure 12, because Judas was one of the 12 apostles, and I have no desire to create problems for the Bureau of this Parliament.
Det der rejser problemer og vel at mærke lykkelige problemer for alle er. at Spanien og Portugal har tiltrådt Fællesskaber ne.
However, what I am unable to understand is why an increase in the size of the Bureau in February, in other words the election of vice-presidents, is going to create problems for the functioning of Parliament.
Når vi imidlertid har anerkendt nødvendigheden af, at der i øjeblikket er problemer, som muligvis skal behandles i præsidiet, og som vore spanske og portugisiske kolleger bør udtale sig om, er jeg af den opfattelse — og jeg taler her på min gruppes vegne — at vi, som vi tidligere har gjort i Parlamentet, må give begge vore nye delegationer i Parlamentet mulighed for selv at være repræsenteret i præsidiet.
However, once we have recognized that there are at the moment problems that might need to be dealt with in the Bureau on which our Spanish and Portuguese colleagues are entitled to air their opinions, I feel — and here I am speaking on behalf of my group — that we must make it possible, as we have done previously in this Parliament, for these two new delegations to our Parliament to be represented in the Bureau.
Det behøver ikke nødvendigvis at være som næstformænd i Parlamentet.
This need not necessarily be in the form of vice-presidents.
Derfor mener vor gruppe følgende: der bør fra den spanske og den portugisiske delegation være repræsentanter, som er udpeget af disse delegationer selv, og som over for præsidiet må tydeliggøre deres standpunkter og de problemer, som kan opstå hos nye medlemmer af Parlamentet.
This, then, Mr President, is the position of our group: representatives should be appointed from among the Spanish and Portuguese delegations whose task it would be to put the points of view and problems of their new Members clearly to the Bureau.
84 parlamentsmedlemmer giver anledning til flere problemer end 2 næstformænd.
Many more problems are presented by 84 Members than by 2 vice-presidents.
Ifølge denne logik skulle man altså have ventet til januar 1987 med at optage de nye medlemmer. Denne problemstilling er meget rimelig.
Consequently, according to the logic of this argument, the new Members of this Parliament should have waited until January 1987 before they took their seats.
Jeg vil ikke trætte Dem, men jeg for står, at vi i princippet skal forøge antallet af næstformænd.
I do not wish to impose on your patience, but I consider that there should in principle be an increase in the number of vice-presidents.
Jeg synes, at det er et spørgsmål om ansvar lighed og broderlig solidaritet mellem alle de europæiske repræsentanter, at vi ved afstemningen får et kvalificeret flertal for.
I regard it as a matter of responsibility and solidarity, fraternal solidarity, among all the European representatives that, when the time comes for voting, we achieve a qualified majority in favour.
Når vi desuden ser, at vi har måttet tilpasse en række ting, for så vidt angår antallet af medlemmer af Par lamentet — nødvendigvis, for nogle talmæssige til pasninger skal jo foretages ifølge traktaten — er det ganske logisk, at vi ligeledes korrigerer vor forretningsorden med de samme talmæssige tilpasninger.
If it should then emerge that some adjustments need to be made with regard to the number of Members of this Parliament — and necessarily so since numerical adjustments are required by the Treaty itself — it is entirely logical that we then adapt our Rules of Procedure accordingly.
Men det betyder ikke nødvendigvis, at vi derfor pludselig skal have to ekstra næstformænd.
But this does not necessarily mean that we have to have two additional vice-presidents.
Så skulle vi nemlig begynde at anvende et andet system med hensyn til præsidiets sammensætning, og så burde vi altså sige: for hver medlemsstat er der en næstformand, og så er det op til grupperne at bestemme, hvilken politisk farve han skal have.
We would then have to operate a different method for filling the Bureau. Each Member State would have one vice-president, and it would be for the groups to decide his political background.
Eller også siger man : vi behøver ikke nødvendigvis at have en næst formand fra hver medlemsstat, og i så tilfælde er den ne tilpasning ikke nødvendig i øjeblikket.
Alternatively, we need not have a vicepresident from each Member State, in which case these adjustments are not necessary at the moment.
Nu da vi alligevel taler om det, tror jeg, at det førstnævnte system er bedre. Men så skulle Parlamentet også have draget konsekvenserne deraf.
Mr President, now that the matter has been raised, I would say that the first method is the better one.
På den anden side: hvis man siger, at ikke alle medlemsstater behøver at være repræsenteret, så tror jeg, at antallet 14, 16, 18 eller selv 12 er alt for stort, og at vi burde fastsætte et meget mindre antal næstformænd end det næsten astronomiske antal, vi har i øjeblikkt.
On the other hand, if you say that each Member State need not be represented, then I would argue that 18, 16, 14 or even 12 vice-presidents is too many and that the number should be much smaller than the present inflated total.
Wijsenbeek (L). — (NL) Hr. formand, man kan gå i to retninger med hensyn til denne betænkning.
Mr Wijsenbeek (L). — (NL) Mr President, two courses of action are possible on the basis of this report.
Man kan ganske vist sige, at vi må være konsekvente i Parlamentet, men på den ene side vil vi være et internationalt parlament, og på den anden side er hver medlemsstat ikke desto mindre repræsenteret af en næstformand i Parlamentets præsidium.
True, it may be argued that we in this Parliament must be consistent, but on the one hand we wish to be an international Parliament, and on the other each of the Member States is represented by a vicepresident in the Bureau of this Parliament.
Vi er ikke gået i denne retning; ved præsidiets seneste sammen sætning anså de store grupper det ikke for nødvendigt, at to medlemsstater i Fællesskabet var repræsenteret i præsidiet.
In the Bureau as it is now composed the major groups have not considered it necessary to have two of the Com munity Member States represented.
Når man så siger, at vi imidlertid nu. da der er kommet to nye medlemsstater, pludselig skal forøge antallet af næstformænd, så er man i vid udstrækning inkonsekvent.
If however, Mr President, it should now be argued that now that we have two new Member States we should suddenly increase the number of vice-presidents, then we are being extremely inconsistent.
Campinos (S). — (PT) Hr. formand, da det er første gang, de portugisiske socialister har den ære at tage ordet i Parlamentet, tillader jeg mig gennem Dem at hilse alle parlamentsmedlemmer og samtidig endnu en gang bekræfte vor samarbejdsvilje og vort ønske om at bidrage til konkretisering og uddybning af det europæiske ideal.
Mr Campinos (PS). — (PO) Mr President, as this is the first time that the Portuguese Socialists have had
Skulle gruppeformændene nu ønske yderligere at ændre nogle tal, bør de fremsætte gode begrundelser der for.
There is therefore no other change to the Rules of Procedure, only their adaptation to the increased membership of Parliament.
Så vil Parlamentets flertal og dermed også vort udvalg gå ind for det.
Our committee trusts that our Rules of Procedure will continue to allow of working satisfactorily.
ske. udtrykke sit syn på det europæiske ideal, et syn som for ikke så længe siden var fjernt fra den eurodemokratiske debat.
If the political group chairmen should wish to make any further changes to the figures, they should produce good reasons for doing so.
Den ære. som herved vil blive vist os, vil ikke bunde i nationalitetsprincippet, ej heller i ønsket om at have et bestemt antal nationer repræsenteret, men i en anerkendelse af vor egenart og af den d'Hondtskc metode.
Then they will have the support of a majority in the House and, consequently, that of our committee.
De grunde, som jeg har påpeget, synes jeg — und skyld min ubeskedenhed — er nok til at retfærdiggøre udvidelsen.
It is precisely because of this that the Portuguese Socialists are in favour of increasing the number of vice-presidents; and they are in favour for several reasons.
Der synes dog også at være andre grunde.
For us the demand for a new office of vicepresident does not constitute an end in itself.
På den ene side kan udvidelsen af antallet af næstformænd foregå uden at ændre eller skade den fine poli-tisk-parlamentariske interne balance i Parlamentet.
It does express our desire to see our language, a certain democratic culture, that is, the Portuguese culture, and a certain vision of the European ideal, until very recently outside the European democratic debate, brought into a higher administrative body and involved in the running of our Parliament.
I virkeligheden udtrykker de portugisiske socialister kun ønsket om en udvidelse af antallet af næstformænd, ikke at disse ærefulde poster skal besættes med en af deres egne.
But if the increase is made, it will symbolize the fact that this same European Parliament recognizes the importance of the new and recent parliamentary arrivals, irrespective of their nationality, wishes to see 84 new Members participate, sharing responsibility with them, and at the same time accepts, not the principle of nationalities, not the representation of a given number of States, but accepts our differences and the Hondt Method.
Det ville være og var efter min mening en dårlig start for Portugals indtræden, hvis Parlamentet blev delt i netop denne sag, det første punkt angående Portugal og Spanien. Det ville vi have svært ved at forstå, thi Europa-Parlamentet selv har lært os at stå i frontlinjen, når det gælder Portugals og Spaniens anliggender, når det gælder indtræden.
The reasons I have just presented seem to me, though I say it myself, sufficient to justify the increase.
Det er dette lighedsprincip, vi vil stadfæste i dag; men vi statuerer lighedsprincippet for at bevare vor egenart inden for Parlamentet og berige dets idealer gennem dets præsidium.
For one thing, this increase in vice-presidencies can occur without weakening, without damaging, without alter ing the internal political and parliamentary balances within this Parliament.
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet. Afstemningen finder sted på onsdag kl. 18.
In fact the Portuguese Social ists are expressing the wish merely to see the number of vice-presidents increased, not to see this distinguished office filled by one of themselves.
Arndt (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, vor gruppe er af den opfattelse, at man i dag skal behandle dette punkt på plenarmødet.
Mr Arndt (S). — (DE) Mr President, our group is of the view that this item must be dealt with today in plenary sitting.
Jeg siger det bevidst, fordi et antal kol leger, deriblandt nogle, som gentagne gange har betegnet sig selv som specialister i spørgsmål vedrørende forretningsordenen, var af den opfattelse, at man kunne have udsat det og henvist det hele til udvalget endnu en gang, for at også spaniere og portgisere kun ne få lejlighed til at tale med. Kendsgerningen er imidlertid, at de spanske og portugisiske tiltrædelsestraktater udtrykkeligt fastslår, at Parlamentet inden fire uger efter de nye landes og dermed også de nye medlemmers tiltrædelse skal drage de nødvendige konsekvenser.
I say that deliberately because a number of colleagues, including some who consider them selves to be specialists in procedural matters, had taken the view that the whole matter could be deferred and sent back to committee to give the Spanish and Portuguese Members an opportunity to discuss the matter. It is, however, a fact that it is expressly stated in the Spanish and Portuguese treaties of accession that Parliament must draw the necessary conclusions within four weeks of these two countries' accession and the consequent arrival of new Members.