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Skulle man tage problemet op om nye indtægtsmuligheder, burde man vel først og fremmest tænke på, hvad der er af nye ting, der skal finansieres. Hvis man overhovedet gik ind for tanken om, at der skulle skaffes nye indtægter, måtte man først vide, hvad det var for behov, der skulle dækkes.
However, there is a problem, and that is the problem of the relation between the Spinelli report and the short and middle-term issues of budgetary reform which now face the Community — the sort of prob lems being considered by the Commission in the light of the mandate given to it last May by the Council.
Hvor er det langsigtede budget, der over 45 år kan fortælle os, at inden for disse er vi nødt til at skaffe os nogle flere indtægter, fordi vi skal løse de og de europæiske problemer? Noget sådant ved vi ingenting om.
The Spinelli group was set up on 17 April 1980 before the mandate was given, and essentially the aim of the Spinelli group, as I read the resolution and report, was to consider the long-term budgetary development of the Community.
Det dukker gang på gang op, at vi skal harmonisere indtægterne.
That completes the remarks I wanted to make.
Det er klart, at vi ikke kan leve med forskellige skatter og afgifter, men hvordan skal man harmonisere? Vi er jo allerede løbet ind i mange vanskeligheder med harmoniseringsbestræbelserne, når det drejer sig om skatter og afgifter. Jeg har den opfattelse, at der ikke skal træffes beslutninger om harmonisering, hverken af Kommissionen og Rådet eller af Parlamentet. Harmonisering kommer nationalt.
Mr Spinelli mentioned some names himself, and as I have already thanked the Members of the Committee for their excellent work, I should like to take this opportunity to mention our officials who have put in so much work for us, in particular Mr Guccione and Mr Giraud, who have undoubtedly contributed towards the production of this outstanding report.
Når man ikke kan klare sig i konkurrencen, må man harmonisere sin afgiftspolitik i overenstemmelse med nabolandene for at begrænse grænsehandelen og hele handelen i nabolandene, hvor der er billigere end i ens eget land.
One's reaction to this idea is closely linked to one's attitude towards progress in Europe or the disintegration of Europe. That is what the Spinelli Report is all about.
Så må man simpelt hen, som Danmark må det for tiden, f.eks. arbejde på at nedsætte sine vinafgifter, for det er ikke kun i hr. Arndts fædreland, danskerne skal købe deres vin.
It is only superficially about money; the real issue goes much deeper.
Vi nyder naturligvis den dejlige tyske vin, og vi nyder at kunne købe den direkte i Tysk land, men vi stræber alligevel, fordi vi har for høje afgifter, efter at komme ned på et niveau, så vi kan klare den danske handel selv. Det er harmoniseringsvejen. Harmoniseringen er et resultat, der kommer af sig selv, når vi har gennemført frihandelspolitikken helt, for så køber beorgerne dér, hvor det er billigst og bedst.
Now, while I salute the Spinelli report as a long-term document, I am afraid that it is not by itself a sufficient or suitable basis for the European Parliament's contribution to the work being done on the mandate given to the Commission, nor by itself does it answer the short- and middle-term questions about budgetary reform which are the subject of that mandate.
Man lægger for megen vægt på harmonisering ved tvang i stedet for at sige, at frihandelspolitikkens resultat er en harmonisering.
On the issue of equity, there are at least two sorts of what are now called in Community jargon 'unacceptable situations' in the budgetary arrangements of the Community.
De, der kender til det, har fortalt mig, at en 7 % prisforskel generelt imellem to nabostater i Amerikas forenede Stater skal medføre, at den dyreste af staterne af sig selv nedsætter sit omkostningsniveau, sit skatte- og afgiftsniveau uden diktat fra forbundsregeringen, fra kongressen i Washington.
To this there has, of course, been found the temporary solution of 30 May 1980, which we will have to be addressing again in four months in the context of the 1982 budget procedure.
Jeg ville gerne bruge denne første behandling til at fremsætte disse enkelte betragtninger om, at vi først
Then there is the other unacceptable situation of which perhaps we are not yet sufficiently aware.
Kommissionens embedsmænd, Parlamentets general sekretær, Parlamentets kasserer osv. Mig bekendt er det først og fremmest dem, der udbetaler pengene.
The first thing which I think we must welcome is the way in which these documents promote the concept of a 'convergence budget', rather than a budget which is simply a cash register for policies that have been separately agreed.
Man kunne jo tænke sig at sætte fællesskabsskatten i vejret for alle ansatte under Fællesskaberne.
I think that this will help us to prevent in future the existing perverse pattern of resource trans
Men hvis man ad den vej prøvede på at skaffe sig nogen dækning, ville det nok ikke falde i særlig god jord i et Fællesskab, hvor de ansatte har så stor en indflydelse, som tilfældet er her.
Now the trouble is that the idea of progressivity in the VAT simply cannot by itself solve either of these prob-
De, kommissionsmedlem hr. Tugendhat, ved udmærket, at dersom vi ikke ønsker om et år eller to at befinde os i den situation, hvori vi har befundet os så at sige et år, må vi begynde nu at fremsætte forslag om egne indtægter, for det kræver nogen tids drøftelse og udarbejdelse i Rådet, det kræver godkendelse i de nationale parlamenter. Der er ingen tid at spilde.
The fact is that as far as the less prosperous country is concerned, progressivity in the VAT can hardly be expected to do more than offset the distortions caused by levies and duties, let alone compensate for the distortions caused by the Community's existing pattern of expenditure.
Når vi kan se, at nu kommer der noget i 1985, som vi må tage højde for, så må vi tage stilling til det: vi vil bygge den kanaltunnel, vi vil i gang med det ene eller det andet af de projekter, der har været fremme her i Parlamentet.
We want more funds for different policies which require a Community approach and which will enable the money to be put to more efficient use, which means that the tax burden could very well be eased.
Jamen så må vi sørge for en udgiftspolitik, som prioriterer opgaverne i en 4­5 års periode, og prøve på at tilpasse indtægterne efter den udgiftspolitik, vi indretter os på i et langtids­budget.
You see, we are convinced that Community action in various areas will have such a positive effect on the development of income as a whole that the burden of public expenditure will be reduced.
Det var, ærede kolleger, hvad jeg gerne ville frem­hæve ved denne lejlighed, hvor jeg fik ordet som den sidste taler, og hvor jeg ikke tror vi kan nå meget mere på denne side af spørgetiden. . ,
This is what we have to convey to the public, instead of the impression I have got from listening to a lot of the speeches here, that with this request for more finances we are going to increase taxes.
Hr. formand, jeg ønsker at gøre opmærksom på, at både kommissionsmedlem hr. Tugendhat og forskellige kolleger har talt om en fremtidig forhandling.
We are aiming at just the opposite: putting expenditure to more efficient use in order to cut taxes if possible.
Der vil ikke blive nogen frem­tidig forhandling, der vil kun blive en forelæggelse af og afstemning om ændringsforslagene.
People in the Community have to get used to the idea of not viewing Community spending as something on top of national spending, but rather as a different, better and essential kind of expenditure for problems which now require a Community approach.
To lande foretager allerede den personlige erklæring uden komplikationer.
So, Mr President, to sum up, I believe that the Spinelli document is very useful.
Det ved De udmærket godt, fordi kun modstanden fra Belgien, bag hvilken alle de andre stater har forskanset sig, har bevirket, at dette system ikke blev indført fra begyndelsen.
I agree that a progressive VAT has an important part to play in assuring a fairer budget, although I think that perhaps we have gone into too much detail about the mechanisms of that.
Dernæst blev det meddelt, at fra 1. januar 1985 skal alle gennemføre betaling på baggrund af en personlig erklæring. Hvad har Kommissionen gjort med henblik herpå? Kommissionen har sovet, og nu kommer den og fortæller os, at der er komplikationer og vanske­ligheder.
I am afraid, however, that Parliament will have to do more work if it is to rise to the full challenge set by the dimensions of the problem of budgetary reform in the context of the mandate given to the Commission.
Jeg forstår ikke, hvorfor de vanskeligheder, som er overvundet i Danmark og Irland, ikke kan overvindes i andre lande, som faktisk var indstillet på at overvinde dem for 5­6 år siden.
I believe it could do worse than to look again at the ideas of the Lange resolution which were adopted by Parliament in November 1979, but which are not referred to or discussed in the Spinelli report.
Mange grupper siger, at de endnu ikke har overvejet emnet.
President. — I call Mr Leonardi.
Hvis det ikke har behov herfor, vil det ikke gøre brug af denne mulighed.
However, I think it would be useful if we had a look at cost-effectiveness.
Vi ville ikke give det indtryk af, at vi kræver en omgående afskaffelse af 1­procentloftet, simpelthen fordi Parlamentet i et anfald af vanvid mener at burde foreslå umådeligt store udgifter.
Among other things this would help us get used to the idea of monitoring with greater care spending and its effects, and pursuing a policy of increased harmonization, more progressivity, greater use of loans, and so on.
Budgetbehandlingerne bliver således voldgiftsforhandlinger, alle kender Fællesskabets almindelige politik.
I cannot of course go into these very important but specialized aspects here.
For så vidt angår de indlæg, som er fremført her, vil jeg ikke beskæftige mig med dem, som er imod selve Fællesskabets udvikling og naturligvis også imod enhver mulighed og enhver plan om en forhøjelse af Fællesskabets egne indtægter.
Mr Leonardi. — (I) Mr President, in this short speech of mine I should like to point out that the problems of our own resources have always coincided with times when there has been a crisis of development in our Community.
Jeg vil imidlertid beskæftige mig med dem, som har udtalt, at de er overbevist om, at Fællesskabet bør udvikles.
This happening because the Community as a whole is going through a period of crisis, as has happened before.
Først og fremmest vil jeg fremsætte nogle betragtninger i forbindelse med kommissionsmedlem hr. Tugendhats udtalelser.
Consequently, we cannot look on the matter of own resources as a prob lem in isolation; we have to see it as part of a wider problem which calls above all for a political response.
Det er den eneste måde, hvorpå vi kan komme ud af denne spidsfindige diskussion, som består i udtalelsen: »så længe der ikke findes en politik, kan der ikke tales om nye indtægter«.
As for the political effects — to which we shall have to pay special attention — I do not intend to spend a lot of time on that aspect of the problem which has also, quite rightly, been mentioned.
Hvor lang tid har vi ikke hørt sige, at Parlamentet ikke kunne vælges, fordi der ikke fandtes beføjelser hertil, at der ikke kunne gives Parlamentet beføjelser, fordi det ikke var valgt.
I am referring to the fact that Community spending and the Community's own resources represent in the final analysis only a tiny part of the Member States' general public spend ing or of income and that, when all is said and done, the increase we are asking for would be a marginal amount compared with general public spending.
Der kan imidlertid ikke gennemføres nogen politik, fordi der ikke findes midler hertil.
We are not going to make excuses the Italian people for asking for more resources of our own.
Det er altså nødvendigt, at vi siger, at der er behov for politik på yderligere områder, vi må forklare årsagerne hertil, blive enige og dernæst sørge for, at Fællesskabet får yderligere indtægter.
We are asking for these resources because we believe that with their help, and with the help of the finances we shall get to implement Community policies on a Community scale, our countries and the Community will enjoy even greater benefits in the form of greater economic and political independence and fresh opportunities for development.
Vi må imidlertid vende tilbage til de systemer, som er foreslået af hr. Lange.
However, we have to have Community spending, with Community poli­cies and the Community's own resources.
Vi ønsker, at det foreliggende dokument får en anden skæbne: begynd med at drøfte det med os, og lad det være grundlaget for alle de forhandlinger, som vi skal have med Dem.
However, as I said before, the results which we think can be obtained with these financial resources will more than compensate for any greater burden which we think the people of the Community may have to bear.
Denne politik bør også udformes med henblik på investeringer og udvikling og ikke blot på løbende udgifter, ikke blot for at dække gæld, som er indgået med dette formål for øje.
For these reasons, which are primarily political and not simply financial or economic in nature, the Italian Communists will support the motion for a resolution tabled by Mr Spinelli.
En kollega var især imod en afskaf felse af 1-procentloftet for dernæst at nå frem til de begrænsninger, som blev sat af McDougall-rapporten.
In my view, Community borrowing in future should also be used to finance the Community's own operations.
Man kan ikke ville to ting samtidig, man må beslutte sig enten for det ene eller for det andet.
Of course, these will have to be investment operations or operations which bring medium or long­term economic productivity or profit­ability.
Lad os være klar over, at nogle krav, som vi her har stillet, kræver år.
Naturally, the circumstances are different from the situation of an individual State.
Når hr. Tugendhat siger til os: »vi kan ikke fast sætte datoer«, ønsker vi at vide, hvornår Kommissionen agter at udføre arbejdet og omtrentlig, hvor lang tid den mener at anvende herpå.
The point is that when an individual State borrows in order to finance medium and long­term investment programmes, it can in theory — at least this is what one learns at univers­ity — service the debt by means of the increased prod­uctivity which the investment generates.
Lad os huske, at en engelsk adelsmand sagde, at med tiden vil vi alle være døde, hvis vi ikke begynder at gøre noget nu.
Let me just say in closing that with these changes which I intend to propose — and which in fact fit in with the tenor of the Spinelli report and are I think also in line with his own views — we really have to move forward, especially on the institutional level, because this is the major significance of Mr Spinelli's report.
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
President. — I call Mr Tuckmann.
Fremsættelse af ændringsforslag og afstemning om beslutningsforslaget vil finde sted under mødeperioden i februar.
Mr Visentini. — (I) Mr President, ladies and gentle­men, the tremendous importance of the subject of this debate has already been pointed out, but this is even more true in the case of the institutional aspects it touches on.
Jeg beder min kollega hr. Balfour om at udsætte den. Kl. 17.30 begynder spørgetiden, og denne betænkning og fru van den Heuvels betænk1 ning må derfor desværre udsættes til i morgen.
What I mean is that there is practically no chance to consider or discuss the matter, since each of us has been given only a few minutes, with the result that we have to condense our comments without being able to develop them and expound them in a logical manner.
Jeg vil være Dem taknemmelig, hvis De er indforstået hermed.
I must add that the Groups did not have time to discuss the matter either, and so I am speaking here in a strictly personal capacity and not on behalf of the Group.
Den nye Kommission blev nedsat for få uger siden og kan naturligvis ikke have drøftet disse spørgsmål.
You cannot expect to develop Community action simply by cutting expenditure in the agricultural sector.
Da Kommissionen samtidig har sagt, at den ikke kan drøfte mange ting på en gang og endvidere har sagt, at den har forskellige opfattelser, vil jeg stille den et meget klart forslag.
A better balance between agricultural and other spending, in connection with the fresh initiatives which the Community needs to take, will and must come from the increased resources which the Community must obtain.
Ved denne lejlighed gør jeg det på egne vegne, jeg håber, at jeg næste gang kan gøre det på det parlamentariske udvalgs vegne og få godkendelse heraf fra Parlamentet.
The second point is basic to the Spinelli report and is one which I support wholeheartedly.
Nuvel: Kommissionen vil studere vort dokument, McDougall-rapporten, og gennemgå sine medlemmers opfattelse heraf, og den vil begynde at udarbejde forskellige ting.
We have to be determined that this new level of greater finance is established according to Community procedures and with the participation of Parliament.
På adskillige områder vil Kommissionen natur
However, I must say in connection with paragraph 31 and Annex I of
Tabet af afgifter som følge af de indrømmelser, forskellige tredjelande har fået med hensyn til oksekød, har kostet fællesskabsbudgettet 423 mio. europæiske regningsenheder.
I know that in saying this I am in very fundamental disagreement with tbe bulk of this House, particularly those from south of the Alps, but nevertheless I continue to feel that way and therefore I must say it.
Er Rådet, for at det ikke skal gå ud over EF-opdrætterne, fast besluttet på at sørge for, at fællesskabspræferencen i princippet overholdes for eksport af oksekød fra tredjelande og specielt fra Jugoslavien til Grækenland?
Therefore, until the CAP is sorted out — and I do not mean by that that it should be abolished. I do mean that these enormous surpluses must go — I would not agree to abolishing the VAT; and in that, to my surprise, I seem to be in tune with the Council of Ministers, whose attitude I usually find much too restrictive.
Vi har ventet meget længe, og det er uhyre trættende at måtte lytte til lange taler uden afbrydelse, hvilket er ensbetydende med, at det ikke engang er en debat, men en række formelle erklæringer uden nogen form for disciplin. En hvilken som helst forsamling eller parlament i Europa kan gøre dette bedre.
To take McDougal's indications of where a modicum of effectiveness may be found and to base one's policies on them seems to me to be an important and highly valuable approach and some thing that should be pursued further.
(Bifald fra forskellige pladser) van der Mei. — (ne.)
This leads me to my final point.
I mit svar på hr. Paisleys spørgsmål har jeg allerede påvist, at emnet er indviklet. Jeg har henvist til de internationale forpligtelser, jeg har henvist til budgetproblemerne, jeg har også nævnt et antal andre elementer, og jeg tror, at jeg i de nævnte grunde også har inkluderet den sag, det ærede medlem har antydet i sit supplerende spørgsmål.
I think it is extremely important that we in this House regard ourselves not merely as a doctor using the thermometer to find out how the patient is today but rather as opinion-formers who lead the populations of our countries to see that a united Europe on a number of subjects and fronts is needed, and that we push them in that direction by having reports of this kind ahead of the time for their implementation, so that by the time they come to be discussed nationally they have already become part of the accepted way of thinking.
Spørgsmål nr. 54 af Remilly (H-480/
IN THE CHAIR: MR ZAGARI
Formanden. — Hr. Balfour, det er som talt ikke blot ud af mit hjerte, men ud af min sjæl.
President. — I call Mrs Boserup.
Agter Rådet, da det ikke har forelagt noget forslag fra Kommissionen vedrørende eventuel finansiel støtte til træindustrien, at stille konkrete forslag vedrørende denne sektor, som er af grundlæggende betydning for den europæiske økonomiske fremtid?
I would, if I may, just refer — after all it is supposed to be a debate — to something said by the new Gaullist colleague just to the right of me.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er anden del af spørgetiden (dok. 1-778/80).
He said we should produce as much in the way of food products as is possible.
Dette spørgsmål tager sigte på et emne, som allerede før har været på Parlamentets dagsorden.
We could go and put the whole of European production into armaments or education or social welfare if we made the price low enough; but the result would be thorough misery in all sorts of other sectors, and I feel that this ignoring, or wanting to ignore, the market principle is evidenced as a bad thing.
Spørgsmål nr. 53 af Davern (H-479/80):
Look at Russia, with an enormous territory rich in grainproducing potential: they are near starvation if America does not produce the grain.
Som anført af min forgænger i svar på spørgsmål nr. H-308/80 fra hr. Fanton har Rådet ikke fået forelagt noget forslag fra Kommissionen om på fællesskabsniveau at træffe infrastrukturforanstaltninger for trai-forarbejdnings- og trævareindustrien og yde finansiel støtte hertil.
Well, I think that is an example which should be used as a comparison, and therefore I think this whole notion of trying to take agriculture out of the economic sphere is an error.
Er Rådet enig i de synspunkter, som det tyske land brugsministerium har fremsat i en rapport for kon tid siden, hvori det hedder, at EFs oksekødsmarked nu er nær ved at være selvforsynende, og at importindrømmelser fremover kun bør gives i ekstraordinære tilfælde?
One more example: we have in Europe — particularly I know about it in England and I know about it in Germany — taken another sector out of the economic sphere by just putting the price extraordinarily low, and that is housing. The result is that our populations feel deprived if they do not have as much housing as they would want.
Produktionsudviklingen og forbruget af oksekød viser ganske rigtigt, at Fællesskabet på ny er blevet selvforsynende i 1980.
Relatively speaking, therefore, I think we have reduced what is available in other sectors.
Rådet vil i øvrigt snart drøfte markedssituationen generelt på baggrund af de forslag Kommissionen netop har forelagt om det årlige overslag over behovet for import af oksekød.
On the whole front, I find that you have to have better reasons for ignoring the normal market principles than this House normally seems able to accept.
Hvilke hindringer stiller der sig i vejen for udarbejdelsen af en sådan skovbrugspolitik, som Europa, i forbindelse med energikrisen, bør begunstige? stige?
Nonetheless, the proposal does include certain assumptions which my constituents and the majority of Danish voters cannot accept.
Vil formanden for Rådet ikke indrømme, at begrænsningen af oksekødindførslen i EØF ville forøge efterspørgslen efter den inden landske produktion i EØF?
It seems to me that we very often concern ourselves here with small-scale, short-term matters, whereas in fact what we are really engaged in is trying to build for ourselves a mechanism which the USA built for itself some 150 years ago, only they had a much easier job.
Og er han klar over, at oksekvægbestanden i Nordirland er gået tilbage til 66 % af den størrelse, den havde i 1974?
They built their federal structure before the bulk of the people had arrived in their country.
Ved besvarelsen af dette spørgsmål har jeg allerede påvist, at dette emne alle rede før har været omtalt her, og det ærede medlem siger, at det faktisk har været tilfældet, men at det, indtil nu, ikke har ført til nogen politik.
They also built it before their population had been shaped and shaped into a one-language system.
To bemærk ninger desangående: for det første har jeg i mit svar klart påpeget, at Rådet ikke har modtaget forslag fra Kommissionen.
We in Europe are trying to operate with many different cultures, many different chunks of history and a very diverse mentality, as is shown by the fact that I find myself so heavily in opposition to many colleagues.