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Men selv om hemmelig afstemning går forud for afstemning ved navneopråb, så tror jeg, at vi kan anvende artikel 77, således at vi får at vide, hvilke medlemmer det er, der ønsker hemmelig afstemning.
The second reason is that methods of election differ. In France, for example, we are the only ones, together with the President of the Republic, to have been elected by the French people as a whole.
Formanden. — Hr. Galland, jeg er ikke sikker på Deres fortolkning; spørgsmålet vil blive henvist til udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender.
Mr Diligent, rapporteur. — (FR) Madam President, the report which it is my privilege to introduce was originally to have been presented by our .colleague Mr Nothomb who wrote the first draft and to whom I owe a dept of gratitude.
Klepsch. — (DE) Fru formand, min gruppe har anmodet om afstemning ved navneopråb om ændringsforslag nr. 32, før mødet blev åbnet.
There is a great danger therefore of national parliaments and the European Parliament losing the source of contact and under standing that they had in the past by the very nature of their mandate.
Hermed opstår spørgsmålet, hvad der går forud, når der samtidig anmodes om en hemmelig afstemning og en afstemning ved navneopråb.
There is a great danger of the European Parliament finding itself isolated or, as some would say, of living a kind of ghetto existence.
Tillad mig at tage ordet i min egenskab af tidligere formand for Nationalforsamlingen og professor ved det retsvidenskabelige fakultet.
Our object today, as you have seen, is to consider ways of improving relations between the European Parliament and the national parliaments.
Jeg finder det utilstedeligt, at en femtedel af et parlaments medlemmer kan tiltage sig rettigheder over flertallet.
It is a fact that the problem was a very different one before this Parliament came to be elected by universal suffrage.
Det betyder denne artikel slet ikke.
This development was undoubtedly a positive one, as all of you are aware.
Hvis kun én person anmoder om hemmelig afstemning, betyder dette, at anmodningen ikke kan imødekommes.
As I see it, there are a number of reasons for this.
Det forekommer mig at være sund fornunft, og det er i øvrigt den juridiske tradition. Det er ikke muligt, at en femtedel af Parlamentets medlemmer tiltager sig rettigheder over flertallet, uanset hvilket emne der måtte være tale om.
To this end, drawing inspiration from previous work done in this area, we have drawn up some practical measures with a view to strengthening the bonds, bringing the activities closer into line and improving the facilities available to us.
Jeg vil gerne her slå følgende fast: Vi har anmodet om afstemning ved navneopråb, inden der blev anmodet om hemmelig afstemning.
Shortage of time prevents me from going into detail but I will summarize them under two or three broad headings.
Det blev blot ikke meddelt af formanden.
The first is the gradual disappearance of the dual mandate.
Men det er et helt andet spørgsmål.
In the past the dual mandate was the invariable rule.
I forretningsordenen står der i hvert fald ikke, hvad der går først.
Your Parliament was composed of Members who already held a national mandate.
Men vi vil forelægge spørgsmålet for udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender.
At the present time, according to our statistics, only 23% of Members of the European Parliament hold a dual mandate and this figure is likely to go on falling.
Nyborg, formand for udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender. — Fru formand, det forekommer, at vores forretningsorden her er ganske klar og på ingen måde tvetydig.
Diligent us to set in motion. That is che essence of the report that I have pleasure in submitting to you on behalf of the Political Affairs Committee. , parliament.
Formanden. — Det mente vi også, da vi drøftede det inden forhandlingen.
This is a disgraceful state of affairs, it is quite intolerable and even humiliating to those concerned.
Boyes. — (EN) Fru formand, jeg har siddet i mange institutioner, men dette er første gang, at en minoritet vil kunne tiltage sig rettigheder over flertallet. Denne betemmelse er helt vanvittig.
As regards the coordination of services in the area of research, in this information age, this age of high speed communications, it is only common sense — and indeed this should have been begun a long time ago — that there should be a much more sophisticated system of technical coordination between those responsible for such research in this Parliament.
Jeg kan ikke forstå, hvorfor De ikke undersøger Parlamentets opfattelse i dette spørgsmål.
President. — Since it is now voting time, the joint debate is suspended.
Hvis denne ret fratages os, hvis De ikke vil lade os tilkendegive over for folket, som har sendt os, hvad vort synspunkt er, så må vi i det mindste sige til dette folk, at flertallet har besluttet det således.
As regards cooperation, my colleagues are calling for an increased level of contacts. As you know, there are already annual meetings of the Presidents of the European and national parliaments.
I intet tilfælde kan de, uden en flertalsbeslutning, fratage os retten til at tale rent ud og åbent, så folket kan få at vide, hvad vor mening er om et hvilket som helst emne.
An excellent step was taken last year by the chairman of the Committee on Transport, Mr Seefeld, who established contact with the chairmen of the transport committees of the national parliaments.
Ud fra denne betragtning kræver de græske parlamentsmedlemmer fra PASOK, at et flertei beslutter, om De skal berøve os retten til at sige folket, hvad vor mening er om hvert enkelt emne.
Such cooperation is full of promise and it is to be hoped that other committees will follow this example as and when the need arises.
Schieler. — (DE) Fru formand, mine damer og herrer!
Mr Pannella. — (FR) Madam President, Rule 84 concerns procedural motions on admissibility.
Men der står også følgende: Hemmelig afstemning kan foretages, såfremt mindst en femtedel af Parlamentets medlemmer anmoder herom.
Finally, and this is an experiment that has already been tried by various parliaments, the relevant committees of the national parliaments should invite specialists from the European Parliament to sit with them, but without voting rights, of course.
Den kan foretages, men den skal ikke foretages.
This has already been tried in Belgium, I believe, and in other countries.
Formanden. — Hr. Peponis, forretningsordenen er vedtaget med et flertal, og jeg overholder forretningsordenen. ordenen.
In conclusion, let us not forget that parliamentary life in Europe does not consist of parliaments as such but also of committees.
Collins. — (EN) Fru formand, jeg er virkelig noget forvirret over, hvad der foregår.
President. — Mr Pannella, the debate has already taken place, and there can be no questions prior to the vote.
Man siger, at dette er en ny procedure, og at den er inkonsekvent.
You could have put a question' prior to the debate.
Man har aldrig før forhindret et mindretal i at kræve afstemning ved navneopråb, elektronisk afstemning eller alle andre former for afstemning.
As to the communication from the European Council there has been an official communication which everyone could read in the newspapers. I have
I virkeligheden kan kun meget få mennesker diktere, hvad der skal ske. Hvorfor hævde, at dette er inkonsekvent?
The Verbatim report only records those parts of the voting procedure which give rise to interventions.
Lord Harmar-Nicholls. — (EN) Fru formand, det eneste, som vil kunne opløse ethvert parlament er, hvis man nægter at acceptere formandens afgørelser.
Its main aim is to bring about a change for the better in the way the European Parliament is regarded, to ensure that it is given greater consideration, enjoys the respect which is its due and can function more effectively.
De har truffet en klar afgørelse og forklaret, på hvilket grundlag den hviler.
We have, as I said just now, the unpleasant feeling of living in a kind of ghetto, of being too often ignored not only by the media but also by our colleagues in the national parlia ments.
Parlamentet må handle derefter.
We are the legitimate representatives of the will of the people.
Klepsch. — (DE) Fru formand, jeg tror vi netop har truffet en vidtrækkende afgørelse.
Mr Galland. — (FR) The Rules of Procedure have been applied strictly. Had it been otherwise I would have spoken sooner.
Fremover vil der altid finde hemmelig afstemning sted, når disse 87 medlemmer ønsker det.
Although a secret ballot takes priority over a vote by roll call, I think we can apply to it Rule 77 so that those who desire a secret ballot may be known.
Jeg er bange for, at konsekvenserne heraf ikke vil blive særligt heldige, men sådan er det nu, og derfor må vi indstille denne nytte løse debat om forretningsordenen.
This is specifically provided for under Rule 78, 'Electronic voting': 'The President may at any time decide that the voting operations indicated in Rules 76, 77 and 79 shall be carried out by means of an electronic voting system'.
Med andre ord vil jeg gerne appellere til dem, som tror, at de her kan gennemføre en kampafstemning: der findes en mindretalsbeskyttelse i parlamenter.
President. — Mr Galland, I am not sure about your interpretation and the question will be referred to the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions.
Det fremgår af vor forretningsorden, at 87 medlemmer kan anmode om afstemning ved navneopråb, og jeg finder det ikke rimeligt, når man forsøger at tillægge dem tvivlsomme hensigter.
Mr Pannella. — (FR) Madam President, you have just given us, a very valuable piece of information that we did not have before, namely that the European Council which on the evening of 30 June issued a press statement to say what decisions it had taken in this context, has still not to this day laid any information before Parliament.'
Formanden. — Forretningsordenen indeholder bestemmelse om, at afstemning ved navneopråb finder sted, når en politisk gruppe eller 21 medlemmer anmoder herom.
President. — On the motion for a resolution as a whole I have Amendment No 32, by Mr Møller and Mr Kirk, and Amendment No 29, by Lord Douro and Mr Christopher Jackson.
Det samme gælder hemmelig afstemning.
I should therefore like to ask what has priority when requests are made for both a secret ballot and a vote by roll call.
Maffre-Baugé. — (FR) Fru formand, jeg anmoder om, at dem, som stemmer for, rejser sig.
Sir James Scott-Hopkins. — Madam President, under Rule 79 I ask for a secret vote on Amendment No 32 and Amendment No 29.
Formanden. — De kan altid rejse Dem, hvis De ønsker det, men afstemningen finder sted ved hemmelig afstemning om de to ændringsforslag, således som der er anmodet om.
Président. — I would point out that under Rule 79 onefifth of the Members · of Parliament, or 87 persons, must be present in the chamber.
Møller. — Fru formand, det forekommer mig, at Deres fortolkning må være den rigtige. Hemmelig afstemning er anerkendt i alle vore lande, ikke som en flertalsbeskyttelse, ikke som en flertalsret, men som en mindretalsbeskyttelse, og hvis et mindretal af en vis størrelse beder om at få en hemmelig afstemning, så kan det have sine motiver dertil.
President. — Yes it is, Mr Klepsch.
Men jeg vil gerne sige, at overalt i vore demokratiske lande er hemmelig afstemning en mindretalsbeskyttelse og ikke noget, et flertal kan tage fra et mindretal.
On this point the Rules are very clear: under Rule 79(3): 'A request for a secret ballot shall take priority over a request for a vote by roll call'.
Formanden. — Hr. Plaskovitis, jeg beklager at måtte sige, at De ikke har læst artiklerne i forretningsordenen rigtigt.
Mr Macario. — (IT) Madam President, I believe I am making a legitimate request in asking that the names of those who asked for a secret ballot be put on record.
Artikel 79, stk. 1 har følgende ordlyd: »Ved valg foretages hemmelig afstemning; anvendelse af artikel 12, stk. 1, artikel 92, stk. 1 og artikel 98, stk. 2, andet afsnit, berøres ikke heraf«.
I wish to appear with those did not ask for a secret ballot, for there is nothing to be kept secret in the choice concerning the seat of the European Parlia ment. I wish, therefore, to support Mr Galland's request that those who asked for a secret ballot be identified.
For disse valg kræves der derfor ingen beslutningsdygtighed.
President. — No, Mr Macario, these is no express provision to this effect in the Rules and I cannot accede to your request.
Jeg tror, at det også ved flere lejligheder har været således i forbindelse med afstemning ved navneopråb.
There is no reason to vote on the request for a secret ballot.
Også når vi ikke ubetinget var af den mening, at der skulle finde afstemning ved navneopråb sted, gik vi alligevel ind herfor.
Once there is a sufficient number, a request for a secret ballot takes priority over a request for a vote by roll call.
Til gengæld kan enhver afstemning finde sted ved hemmelig afstemning, når mindst en femtedel af medlemmerne afmoder herom.
You may get a majority wanting a secret ballot, but at least you should put that to the vote.
Formanden. — Jeg henleder opmærksomheden på, at sir James Scott-Hopkins, for så vidt angår disse ændringsforslag, har anmodet om hemmelig afstemning. ning.
Mr Edgar Faure. — (FR) Madam President, Γ am sorry to say that I cannot agree with the way the Rules of Procedure are being interpreted in this case. The Rules say that a secret ballot may be held at the request of 87 Members.
(EN) Kun hvad angår
To request does not mean to decide.
Formanden. — Hr. Ferri, artikel 80 siger udtrykke ligt, at stemmeforklaringer finder sted inden afstemningen om forslaget til beslutning.
President. — It is not a question of the minority imposing its will on the Assembly, but the Rules of Procedure.
De Pasquale. — (IT) Fru formand, det forekommer mig, at der kort forinden blev forkastet et ændringsforslag af samme indhold, hvorfor jeg mener, at dette ændringsforslag bør bortfalde.
Mr Schieler. — (DE) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, I refer to the clear wording of Rule 79 of our Rules of Procedure.
Baillot. — (FR) For at gøre afstemningen klar, fru formand: det er indlysende, at hvis et flertal stemmer for ændringsforslag nr. 29 og nr. 32, bortfalder, hele teksten.
Although this lays down that a secret ballot takes priority over a vote by roll call, it also says: 'Voting may also be by secret ballot if requested by at least onefifth of the Members of Parliament.'
Formanden. — Nej, hr. De Pasquale, vi kan ikke lade det bortfalde, da det ikke er affattet på samme måde.
Whether or not a secret ballot is taken depends on whether the request has the support of at leaist onefifth of the Members of Parliament.
Vi må stemme om dette ændringsforslag.
There is no other way to interpret the Rules of Procedure.
Første del af ændringsforslag nr. 24 forkastedes
I think it is indefensible to say that the majority of the House can be overruled by one fifth.
Sir James Scott-Hopkins. — (EN) Fru formand, jeg vil gerne have, at det bliver helt klart for Parlamentet, hvad det er, der anmodes om.
What it does mean is that a request for a secret ballot has precendence over a request for a roll-call vote.
De har kun forelagt anmodningen om hemmelig afstemning om de to første ændringsforslag, nr. 32 og nr. 29.
If a secret ballot were to be requested by only one person then the request would be inadmissible.
Jeg anmodede om hemmelig afstemning om disse to, men jeg formoder, at jeg ikke nu skal anmode om hemmelig afstemning om andre ændringsforslag; men hvis De ønsker, jeg skal gøre det nu, så vil jeg gerne gøre det, da jeg agter at anmode om hemmelig afstemning om ændringsforslag nr. 14 og nr. 10.
It has been requested by 87 Members; unless everyone is in agreement the request must be put to the vote.
Jeg overlader til Dem at afgøre, om jeg skal gøre det nu eller senere.
And if the House decides on a "secret ballot, then a secret ballot will be held.
Formanden. — Nej, det tror jeg ikke er nødvendigt, sir James.
That no only makes good sense it seems to me, but it is also in accordance with the stric­test legal tradition.
Formanden. — Deres anmodning er imødekommet, men jeg må undersøge, om det fornødne antal medlemmer anmoder herom.
It is impossible that the majority should be overruled by a fifth of the House on whatever subject.
Ændringsforshg nr. 11
President. — I call Lord Harmar-Nicholls.
Efter 8. led i præamblet —Ændringsforshg nr. 16
But we shall submit the question to the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions.
Klepsch. — (DE) Fru formand, vi vil gerne vide, hvem der er til stede.
You have given your ruling clearly and explained how well-based it is.
Punkt 1 til 5 —Ændringsforshg nr. 15, 14, 10 og 33
President. — I call Mr Irmer.
De Pasquale. — (IT) Fru formand, jeg sagde for lidt siden, at man stemte på forskellig måde om samme emne. Nu forekommer det mig, at man gentager det samme.
Mr Nyborg, chairman of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions. — (DA) Madam President, our Rules of Procedure seem to be quite clear on this point, there is. not the slightest ambiguity.
Vi stemte mod ændringsforslaget af Price; vi stemte mod ændringsforslaget af lord Douro, som sagde det samme. Nu sætter vi ændringsforslaget af Hänsch under afstemning, og det bekræfter det samme...
They provide the right for 87 Members of this Parliament to request a secret ballot and it is stated clearly and unmistakably, as you yourself said earlier, in Rule 79(3) that a secret ballot takes priority over a roll call, so I think, as chairman of the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions, that there can be no doubt of the position in this case.
Zagari, ordfører. — (IT) Fru formand, jeg har allerede udtalt mig om disse ændringsforslag, som naturligvis går imod »ånden« i forslaget til beslutning (')
Mr Irmer. — (DE) Madam President, I naturally accept your interpretation of the Rules of Procedure, but I would ask to go on record as saying that I was opposed to the secret ballot, and I should also like it to be known how I voted in the secret ballot.
Fru formand, jeg henleder Deres opmærksomhed på, at Parlamentets afstemninger ikke kan være i modstrid med hinanden.
President. — That is what we felt when we discussed this matter before the debate.
Formanden alle lidt fra hinanden.
President. — I call Mr Peponis.
Jeg vil med foragt stemme imod dette forslag til beslutning.
The same is true for a vote by secret ballot.
(Bifald)
I call Mr Møller.
Oehler. — (FR) Fru formand, kære kolleger, jeg tror det ligger os alle på sinde, at afgørelsen om Europa-Parlamentets hjemsted bør træffes snarest.
Mr Peponis. — The opinion of the Greek Socialists is that no rule of the Rules of Procedure can be inter­preted in such a way as to transgress the basic and fundamental principles governing the proceedings of a genuine parliament.
Dette bør betyde, at de ekstraordinære omkostninger i forbindelse med vor institutions virke reduceres, samt at arbejdsbetingelserne for medlemmerne og for personalet forbedres.
Our prime duty and our prime obligation is to be able to be accountable to the electo­rate which sends us to parliament and the only way for us to be accountable is to vote openly.
Fergusson. — (EN) Resten af dette punkt foreslår i originalteksten, at vi fremover har vort virke på to steder: Bruxelles og Strasbourg, eftersom det sidste ændringsforslag, som foreslog plenarmøder i Bruxelles, blev forkastet; nu foreslås det, at vi rent faktisk tager til to steder.
If this right is taken away from us, if we are not allowed to demonstrate to the people who elected us what our opinion is, then we should at least tell these people that the majority has voted in this .way.
Det ville være ønskeligt, om denne forhandling her i dag fører til en afgørelse udover det sædvanlige. .
It is with this in mind that the Greek MPs of PASOK want the majority to decide if you will take away our right to tell the people what our opinion is on any issue.
Prag. — (EN) Fru formand, især med henblik på pressen vil jeg gerne fremføre, at de tal, som De har meddelte under hele afstemningen som værende flertallet, at dette slet ikke er flertallet: flertallet i en afstemning med 132 for og 170 imod er faktisk 38, og det tal De giver er minimumsflertallet.
Secret ballots are recognized in all our countries not as a way of protecting the majority, not as a majority right, but as a means of protecting minorities, and if a minority of a certain size asks for a secret ballot, it must have reasons for doing so.
Når dette er sagt, så et dette spørgsmål i det væsentlige af politisk karakter, og alle dem, som ønsker at gøre det hele til rent tekniske betragtninger, tager ikke hensyn til det essentielle.
Everyone knows my own position — I have explained it, I am the mover of an amendment which will shortly be voted on, so I have no reason for wanting to conceal my own views.
Det essentielle er, om Europa skal have en parlamentarisk hovedstad, om denne hovedstad skal symbolisere freden i Europa, om denne parlamentariske hovedstad skal symbolisere europæisk enhed.
But I do think that in all our democratic countries a secret ballot is a way of protecting minorities and not something the majority can deprive them of.
Formanden. — Jeg beklager: det tal, jeg oplyser er antallet af krævede stemmer i de forskellige tilfælde.
President. — I call Mr Arndt.
Castle. — (EN) Fru formand, jeg vil stemme imod forslaget til beslutning.
Mr Collins. — Madam President, I am really intrigued by the posturing that is going on at the moment.
Parlamentet har i dag dømt sig selv til ørkesløshed.
People are claiming that, somehow or other» this is a new procedure and claiming that it is inconsistent.
Efter i måneder at have talt om behovet for, at stats- og regeringscheferne træffer afgørelse om et enkelt hjemsted for institutionerne, har vi her i eftermiddag spildt en lejlighed til selv at sætte et eksempel. Det vi har gjort er at stemme for status quo, netop det som vi beskyldte regeringscheferne for at fortælle os i Maastricht vi skulle.
It has never stopped a minority of the people here calling for a roll­call vote, electronic votes, and for all kinds of votes.
Vi har dømt os selv til at fortsætte med denne unødvendige byrde for de europæiske skatteborgere ...
It is patently not, so let us get on with the vote and abandon the three­ring circus.
(Bifald)
(Applause and cries of'Hear!
Macciocchi. — (IT) Fru formand, jeg vil gerne protestere mod den forvirrende måde, at dette spørgsmål er blevet behandlet på.
But I should like to add this: many members of the Socialist Group voted in favour of the secret ballot not because they wish to conceal how they have voted, but because it is an established principle of democracy that if Members — for whatever reason — should wish to vote in secret, the others must attempt to acquiesce.
Man har stemt for »ret«, og man har stemt for »vrang«, man har stemt for »ja« og for »nej«, men dette ja og nej blev anvendt på samme emne, på ændringsforslag, som gentog sig selv og som var identiske, som var i modstrid med hinanden under afstemningen, og som endog havde samme indhold.
I believe we have had exactly the same situation with various votes by roll call: even though we did not necessarily feel that there should be a vote by roll call, we have nevertheless supported requests to that end.
Vi ønsker alle et enkelt sted — personligt går jeg ind for Strasbourg, kære kolleger — men vi er fortsat spredt på tre steder.
Most national parlia­ments in Europe provide for precisely this minority right in the form of the secret ballot.
Desuden har denne tekst ingen som helst værdi,
Let us not pretend we do not know what the ruling is in our national parliaments.
Vi fortsætter med at vise, at dette Parlament ikke har vilje til at gøre sit eget arbejde effektivt. Fru formand:
President. — Our Rules of Procedure provide that a roll call is held when a political group or 21 Members
Macciocchi eftersom — det vil jeg gerne gentage — stats- og regeringscheferne den 30. juni lod forstå, at afgørelsen er bevarelse af status quo, selv om vi siger, at vi træffer en afgørelse.
Mr Maffre-Baugé. — (FR) Madam President, I should like those who are 'for' to declare themselves by standing.