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Dalsager, medlem af Rommissionen. — Kommissionen kommenterer normalt ikke sine interne drøftelser, heller ikke om de dokumenter som bliver fremlagt vedrørende landbrugsområdet.
Mr Thorn, President of the Commission. — (FR) Community legislation makes provision for use of the 'management committee procedure' for the exercise of management responsibilities, which lie, by definition, with the executive.
Som på ethvert andet område tager Kommissionen også her sine beslutninger efter de normalt gældende regler.
The role of a parliament, on the other hand, is to exercise legislative powers and, ipso facto, powers of control.
Et parlaments rolle er imidlertid at udøve lovgivende magt og dermed kontrolbeføjelsen.
Is this principle not contravened when major newspapers publish articles on programmes announced by a Member of the Commis sion for the fundamental reform of the agricultural policy ?
Men det fore kommer os, at denne situation ikke bør få Parlamentet til at gribe ind i opgaver, som ifølge deres natur ikke hører ind under en institution som Parlamentet.
Is it not the case, Mr Commissioner, that this unpleasant discussion is resulting in the gross misrepresentation of the great effort made by the Commission and its President to create a new financing facility and that many people, including the general public, believe that we could finance everything in the Community — accession and everything else — if only we could divide up this dreadful agricultural policy ?
Kommissionen er overbevist om, at dette er i Parlamentets såvel som hele Fællesskabets interesse.
Is it not then the Commission's duty to take a clear stand on this misrepresentation of the situation ?
Früh (PPE). — (DE) Må jeg på grund af dette meget nødtørftige svar, hr. kommissær, endnu en gang stille et tillægsspørgsmål.
Granted, in the case of the European Parliament, this role — which you will say is too heavily restricted by the Treaties — has not yet developed to the extent that this high Assembly would like to see, in which aspiration it has the Commission's support.
Når store aviser skriver om principielle reformprogrammer for landbrugspolitikken, der forelægges af et medlem af Kommissionen, brydes dette princip så ikke?
However, we do not consider that this situation warrants any attempt on the part of Parliament to involve itself in tasks which are by definition outside the terms of reference of an institution such as itself.
Var det så ikke Kommissionens pligt for en gangs skyld helt klart at gøre front mod denne forkerte fremstilling af sammenhængen ?
The Commis sion is convinced that this position is in line with the best interests not only of Parliament itself but of the Community as a whole.
For så vidt angår deltagelse fra de pågældende kredses side, er Kommissionen, der ikke undlader at benytte enhver lejlighed til at indhente udtalelser fra eksperterne, når det forekommer den nødvendigt, at den opfattelse, at deltagelse fra de interesserede kredses side i forvaltningskomiteernes forhandlinger ikke er mulig af principielle og praktiske årsager, der er meget indlysende.
As regards participation by representatives of interested circles, the Commission, which misses no opportunity to surround itself with expert opinion whenever this seems necessary, holds the view that considerations of principle preclude such participation in the proceedings of management commitees, this for practical reasons which should be all too clear.
Det synes udelukket, at de, der skal underkastes de beslutninger, der skal tages, deltager direkte i udarbejdelsen af dem.
It seems out of the question that the people who are going to be bound by the decisions to be taken should have a direct hand in framing them.
Dalsager. — Tillægsspørgsmålet var egentlig ikke ret klart formuleret.
Mr Dalsager. — (DA) The supplementary question was not really very clearly worded.
Men jeg vil gerne sige, at de kommentarer, der har været i visse dagblade, så vidt vi ved ikke stammer fra Kommissionen, men fra nogle udslip fra Kommissionens papirer, som ingen kommissær mig bekendt har taget ansvaret for.
But I will say that the comments which have appeared in certain news papers as far as we know do not emanate from the Commission but are based on leaks from Commission papers for which no Commissioner has taken responsi bility, as far as I am aware.
Vi har registreret, at der også på dette område har været udslip fra Kommissionens interne dokumenter, hvad vi beklager.
We have noted that there have been leaks from the Commission's internal documents in this field too, which we deplore.
På den anden side vil jeg sige, at Kommissionen har ret til og måske oven i købet pligt til at diskutere ethvert spørgsmål, som er af vigtighed for Fællesskabet, herunder også landbrugspolitik.
On the other hand, I would say that the Commission is entitled and perhaps even has a duty to discuss any question of importance to the Community, including agricultural policy.
Da Kommissionen jo er et kollegium, har hver enkelt kommissær et ansvar for landbrugspolitikken — det er ikke bare en enkelt kommissær — og derfor tager andre medlemmer af Kommissionen også dette ansvar alvorligt og interesserer sig for landbrugspolitikkens udvikling.
Since the Commission is a collégial body, however, each Commissioner has a responsibility for the agricultural policy, not just one Commissioner. Other Members of the Commission therefore also take this responsibility seriously and take an interest in the development of the agricultural policy.
Med hensyn til de økonomiske konsekvenser af denne diskussion ved det ærede medlem sikkert, at der foregår mange og lange forhandlinger om Fællesskabets økonomiske fremtid, og at der er involveret en lang række forhold i denne diskussion, herunder naturligvis også landbrugspolitikken, da den jo som bekendt beslaglægger en væsentlig del af Fællesskabets samlede budget.
With regard to the economic consequences of this discussion, the Honourable Member is no doubt aware that many discussions of a longterm nature are in progress on the economic future of the Community, and many different elements are involved in these discussions, including of course the agricultural policy because, as you know, the CAP absorbs a considerable proportion of the Community's total budget.
Rogalla (S). — (DE) Jeg vil gerne takke formand Thorn mange gange for den klare opdeling af svaret: for det første Parlamentets deltagelse, for det andet borgernes deltagelse.
Mr Rogalla (S). — (DE) I should like to thank President Thorn for the clear way in which he has broken down his answer : first, participation by Parliament, second, participation by the public.
Det tilstræbes at lægge et større antal forvaltnings- og regeringsopgaver i Kommissionens hænder.
The aim is to make the Commission responsible for more of the tasks now incumbent on administrations and govern ments.
Mit spørgsmål, der er i forlængelse af svaret, tager udgangspunkt i, at disse forvaltningskomiteers funktion er begrænset til kontakter og drøftelser mellem de til enhver tid implicerede tjeneste mænd, altså specialisterne, og ideen om enten at inddrage repræsentanterne for borgerne eller repræsentanterne for de interesserede kredse sigter mod at tilvejebringe en hurtigere realisering af det europæiske samarbejde.
My question, which follows on from the answer just given, is based on the assumption that the activities of these administrative committees are confined to contacts and discussions among the officials concerned in each case, the specialists in other words, and that the idea of involving either the representatives of the public or the representatives of the sectors with an interest is designed to bring about European cooperation more quickly. I therefore want to ask the President of the Commission whether
Thorn. — (FR) Kommissionen har haft lejlighed til at sige til forsamlingen — jeg tror, det var den 20. maj i år under drøftelsen af betænkningen af hr. Collins om foranstaltninger mod luftforurening forårsaget af motorkøretøjer — hvorfor Kommissionen ikke er positivt indstillet til tanken om deltagelse fra Parlamentet i procedurerne til tilpasning af tekniske frem skridt.
Mr Thorn. — (FR) The Commission has already had the opportunity — I believe that it was on 20 May last, during the debate on the Collins report on measures to be taken against atmospheric pollution by motor vehicles — to inform the House why it is not in favour of bringing Parliament into the procedures laid down for adjustment to technical progess.
Jeg tillader mig at henvise til de udtalelser, min kollega Narjes fremkom med om dette punkt, men jeg vil gerne forsikre hr. Rogalla om, at Kommissionen agter at gøre alt for at holde Parlamentet orienteret om denne sag og for at opretholde den snævrest mulige kontakt med de ærede medlemmer.
I therefore refer you to the statement made on this matter by my colleague Mr Narjes, but I should like to assure Mr Rogalla that the Commission intends to take all necessary steps to keep Parliament informed on this subject and to maintain the closest possible contact with Honourable Members.
resulteret i en overskudssituation og i utilfredsstillende producentpriser.
At present the situation on the market in pigmeat is strongly influenced by seasonal, cyclical and general economic factors, which have resulted in a surplus and in unsatisfactory producer prices.
Kommissionen har truffet særlige foranstaltninger for at støtte markedet gennem forordningerne vedrørende markedet for svinekød bestående af støtte til privat oplagring og større restitutionsbeløb, og disse foranstaltninger har haft en vis stabiliserende virkning på Fællesskabets marked for svinekød.
The Commis sion has applied special measures to support the market by pigmeat market regulations providing support for private storage and higher refunds, and these measures have had a certain stabilizing effect on the Community market in pigmeat.
Det vil erindres, at basisprisen fastsættes under hensyntagen til sluseprisen og afgiften på svinekød, som afledes af tærskelpriserne for korn.
It will be remembered that the basis price is fixed with reference to the sluice-gate price and the levy on pigmeat, based on the threshold prices for grain.
Forsyningssituationen for korn har imidlertid resulteret i et prisniveau på Fællesskabets markeder, som er væsentligt lavere end tærskelniveauet, navnlig hvad angår byg, og det er forhold, der skyldes udviklingen i korndyrkningen i Fælles skabet.
The supply situation in cereals, however, has resulted in a price level on Community markets which is substantially lower than the threshold level, especially where barley is concerned, and this situation is due to the develop ment of cereal growing in the Community.
Disse omstændigheder kan også forklare, hvorfor kornpriserne er steget mindre end priserne for svinekød.
These circumstances may also explain why grain prices have risen less sharply than pigmeat prices.
Purvis (ED). — (EN) Kommissionen har et godt argument, når den siger, at Parlamentet ikke bør inddrages i forvaltningen af disse programmer.
Mr Purvis (ED). — The Commission has a good point when it says that Parliament should not be involved in the management of these programmes.
Men hvad den faktisk gør, er at inddrage repræsentanter for medlemsstaterne og således effektivt forhindre Ministerrådet eller medlemsstaterne i at få særlig meget at sige med hensyn til styringen af forskningsprojekter og de forskellige andre ting, der er forbundet dermed.
But in fact what they are doing is bringing in representatives of the Member States, so effectively permitting the Council of Ministers or the Member States to have a major say in the management of research projects and all the various other things that are involved.
Kommissionens formand er sikkert enig i, at det er Kommissionen, der er fuldt ansvarlig for at iværksætte disse projekter og ikke på nogen måde kan overdrage sit ansvar til disse forvaltningskomiteer, alias Ministerrådet?
Surely the President of the Commission would agree that it is the Commission that is wholly responsible for implementing these projects and cannot in any way abdicate its reponsibility to these management committees alias the Council of Ministers ?
Kommissionen er imidlertid ikke enig i, at prispolitikken på kornområdet med mindre prisforhøjelser end forhøjelserne af priserne for animalske produkter har givet storbrugene en fordel fremfor familiebrugene, der normalt er baseret på husdyrhold og ikke på ekstensiv korndyrkning.
The Commission does not however agree that the price policy in the cereals sector, with lower price rises than those for animal products, has given the large undertakings an advantage over the family hold ings, which are usually geared to stock rearing and not to largescale grain cultivation.
Jeg kunne måske tilføje, hr. formand, at der i et enkelt af medlemslandene, som sædvanligvis er storeksportør af svinekød ud af Fællesskabet, to gange har været mund- og klovsyge tilfælde, som har generet denne eksport væsentligt og derfor har bidraget til et overskud af svinekød på Fællesskabets markeder.
I might add, Mr President, that in a single Member State, which is normally a large exporter of pigmeat from the Community, there have been two outbreaks of foot and mouth disease, which have seriously affected these exports and have thus contributed to a surplus of pigmeat on Community markets.
Det har også medvirket til den utilfredsstillende situation, som ganske rigtigt eksisterer for øjeblikket.
This has also contributed to the unsatisfactory situation which certainly exists at the present time.
Thorn. — (FR) Jeg indrømmer, hr. Purvis, at De har ret. Kommissionen er imidlertid villig til at påtage sig dette ansvar i dette omfang efter bemyndigelse fra Rådet.
Mr Thorn. — (FR) I accept that the Honourable Member is right.
Formanden. — Da spørgeren ikke er til stede, vil spørgsmål nr. 54 blive besvaret skriftligt (').
President. — In the absence of its author Question No 54 will be answered in writing '.
Spørgsmål nr. 55 af Tove Nielsen (H-145/83):
Question No 55, by Mrs Nielsen (H-145/83):
Hvad agter Kommissionen at gøre for at bringe de faktiske priser for svinekød på linje med den af Rådet fastsatte basispris, og vil Kommissionen i denne sammenhæng bekræfte, at den valgte korn prispolitik, der er karakteriseret af lavere prisstigninger på korn end på animalske produkter, inde bærer en favorisering af storbrugene på familie brugenes bekostning?
What does the Commission intend to do to bring pigmeat prices into line with the basic price laid down by the Council, and will it confirm that the grain price policy, which entails lower price increases for grain than for animal products, benefits largescale farming to the detriment of family farms ?
Tove Nielsen (L). — Jeg vil gerne takke kommissionsmedlemmet for svaret og give ham ret i, at det naturligvis har været dybt ulykkeligt for os, at der hele to gange har været mund- og klovesyge i Danmark, og det har givet nogle uheldige følgevirkninger.
Mrs Tove Nielsen (L). — (DA) I should like to thank the Commissioner for his answer and to agree with him that it has of course been extremely unfortunate for us that we have actually had two outbreaks of foot and mouth disease in Denmark, and these occurrences have had deplorable consequences.
Men jeg er nu ikke af den opfattelse, at det alene er årsagen til den situation, vi står i, og jeg er heller ikke enig i, at man ikke favoriserer storbrugene på bekostning af familiebrugene.
But I do not now believe that this is the sole cause of the situation we are in, and I also do not agree that we are not favouring the large undertakings at the expense of the family holdings.
Jeg vil spørge kommissionsmedlemmet, om det ikke var en idé — med det kendskab han har til Danmark — at prøve at undersøge, hvilke vilkår et effektivt familiebrug er udsat for i disse år?
I should like to ask the Commis sioner if it would not be an idea — with the know ledge he has of Denmark — to try and examine the conditions to which an efficient family holding is subject in these times.
Jeg tror nok, at man i Kommissionen så vil finde ud af, at der rent faktisk er noget at rette op på.
I am sure that the Commission will find that in point of fact there are a few things to straighten out.
Det, der gør sagen endnu vanskeligere, er, om man virkelig synes, at det er reelt, at man i Danmark kun får 70 % af den aftale basispris?
And — something which exacerbates things even further — is it really fair that farmers in Denmark should only get 70 % of the agreed basis price ?
Er der noget at sige til, at danske landbrugere siger: Når Rådet har vedtaget en basispris, hvorfor får vi så kun 70 % ?
Is it any wonder that the Danish farmers say : if the Council has adopted a basis price, why should we only get 70 % ?
Det kan vi ikke acceptere !
We cannot accept it !
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er fortsættelse af forhandlingen om Maherbetænkningen (dok. 1-1327/82).
President. — The next item is the continuation of a debate on a report by Mr Maher (Doc. 1-1327/82).
Davern (DEP). — (EN) Hr. formand, allerførst vil jeg gerne komplimentere hr. Maher for hans interimsbetænkning og erklære mig enig i hans konklusioner, at landbrugsindkomster og inflation går hånd i hånd, idet den ene stiger, når den anden falder.
Mr Davern (DEP). — Mr President, first of all I would like to congratulate Mr Maher on his interim report and agree with his conclusions that farm incomes and inflation go hand in hand, the one rising as the other falls.
bidraget til at skabe den utilfredsstillende situation sammen med de andre faktorer, som gør sig gældende for øjeblikket.
I must say however that, if it is low in Denmark, it is even lower at present in other Member States, and I certainly did not say in my answer that foot and mouth disease alone was responsible for the unsatisfactory situation. It was actually a subsidiary element in my answer.
Med hensyn til den økonomiske situation for landbruget i Danmark er de seneste oplysninger, som vi har kunnet meddele Parlamentet og Rådet, at danske landmænd i 1982 har haft den absolut største indkomstfremgang blandt samtlige landmænd i EF, og det er selvfølgelig meget tilfredsstillende for Danmark.
With regard to the economic situation facing agriculture in Denmark, the latest information we have been able to supply to Parliament and the Council is that Danish farmers in 1982 had far and away the highest rise in incomes of all farmers in the Community, and that is of course highly satisfactory for Denmark.
Der har været nogle år med meget store vanskeligheder, både for Danmark og alle andre medlemslande, men heldigvis og gudskelov ser det ud til, at udviklingen er vendt i 1982.
We have had a few years of very great difficulty, both for Denmark and for all the other Member States but, fortunately and thank heaven, it looks as though the turning point was reached in 1982.
Det håber vi alle.
That's what we all hope.
Beazley (ED). — (EN) Jeg hørte kommissæren sige, at han ikke havde til hensigt at ændre kornprispolitikken.
Mr Beazley (ED). — I heard the Commissioner say that he had no intention of changing the grain price policy.
Jeg vil gerne spørge hvorfor.
I would like to ask why.
I mit land og min valgkreds er svinekød det billigste af alle slags kød.
Certainly in my country and my constituency pigmeat is the cheapest of all meats.
En af de største årsager til problemet er korn prisen.
One of the major reasons for the problem is the price of grain.
Her importerer vi udenlandske fødevarer, og vi skal slippe af med vort overskud af korn til meget lave priser til landene i den tredje verden.
Here we are importing foreign foodstuffs and we are having to get rid of our surplus grain at very low prices to Third World countries.
Hvorfor har han ikke til hensigt at ændre kornprispolitikken for at hjælpe svineavlerne?
Why does he intend not to change the grain price policy in order to help the pig farmers ?
I alt dette er det fristende at spørge sig selv, om den fælles landbrugspolitik trænger til reparation.
In all of this we are tempted to question whether the CAP needs restoring.
Ja, faktisk behøver vi bare at se på det meget centrale problem landbrugernes indtjening.
Indeed, we only have to look at the very central issue of farmers' earnings.
Mange i mit land, som ikke har med landbrug at gøre, lader stadig til at være hypnotiseret af den ubestridelige forhøjelse i landbrugsindkomsterne, som kom, umiddelbart efter at vi sluttede os til Det europæiske Fællesskab.
Many in my own country, who are outside agriculture, still seem mesmerized by the undoubted increase in farm incomes that came immediately after we joined the European Community.
Disse forhøjelser var reelle og meget store.
Those increases were real and very large.
Lige så reel er den omstændighed, at i 1982 steg landbrugsindkom sterne med en takt, som var højere end inflationen samme år.
Just as real is the fact that in 1982 farm incomes did rise at a rate that was higher than inflation for that year.
Imidlertid er det jo isolerede kendsgerninger, og de kommer til at tage sig helt anderledes ud, når vi betragter det samlede billede.
However, these are, of course, isolated facts and they take on a very different complexion when we see the whole picture.
Det samlede billede indbefatter også den kendsgerning, at sidste sæson var første gang i tre år, hvor landbrugsindkomsterne faktisk holdt trit med inflationen.
The whole picture includes the fact that last season was the first time in three years that farm incomes did keep pace with inflation.
Det indbefatter den kendsgerning, at selv når man tager højde for sidste års forbedring, er landbrugsindkom sterne nu mere end en tredjedel lavere i faste priser, end de var for fem år siden.
It includes the fact that, even allowing for last year's improvement, farm incomes are now more than a third lower in real money than they were five years ago.
Men den allermest afslørende kendsgerning af alle er, at landbrugsindkom sterne nu er mere end en femtedel lavere efter inflationen, end da landet sluttede sig til Det europæiske Fællesskab.
But the most revealing fact of all is that farm incomes are now more than a fifth lower, after inflation, than when the country joined the European Community.
Maher (L). — (EN) Det ville være yderst nyttigt, hvis Kommissionen kunne give præcise oplysninger om den øjeblikkelige pris, landmændene får, til forskel fra det generelle prisniveau.
Mr Dalsager. — (DA) I am not absolutely sure what part of the Community the Honourable Member comes from, but we have put forward a policy to change the cereals situation.
Det er ikke nødvendigvis de samme.
It is the Commission's intention to propose in the coming years that the Community cereals price should be more closely in line with the price our competitors get on the world market.
Hvornår vil det være muligt for Kommissionen at fremlægge sådanne oplysninger, der efter min mening vil være nyttige, men også afslørende?
Also in the price settlement concluded this year, we provided for a much lower increase in the price of grain than in that of, for example, animal products.
Dalsager. — Disse oplysninger er fuldt ud tilgængelige for ethvert medlem af Parlamentet, idet de jævnligt tilflyder Parlamentet.
Mr Maher (L). — It would be extremely useful if the Commission could give precise information about the actual farmgate price received by farmers as distinct from the general level of price.
Der er altså ingen hemmeligheder her.
These are not neces sarily the same thing.
Jeg takker hr. Dalsager og alle de andre medlemmer af Kommissionen for de svar, de har givet os.
When will it be possible for the Commission to provide such information, which would, I think, be useful but also revealing ?
Dette fald i landbrugsindkomsterne er en alvorlig sag for hvert eneste land i Fællesskabet.
This fall in farm incomes is a serious matter for every country in the Community.
For Irland er det intet mindre end katastrofalt.
For Ireland it is nothing short of catastrophic.
Over hele Fællesskabet ser vi hvert eneste minut en landmand gå fra gården.
Right across this Community we find one farmer leaving the land every minute.