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De har uden tvivl i - andre debatter hørt, hvorledes landbrugsudvalget er under et meget hårdt arbejdspres: uopsættelighed i forbindelse med isoglucose, sukkerordninger osv.; udvalget har kun haft en time til at diskutere Kommissionens dokument nr. 614, og der har ikke været tid til at behandle meget vigtige dokumenter, der omhandler kontrol — fire gange så mange sider i dokumenterne 920 og 922, der drejer sig om kontrolforanstaltninger.
I endorse her amendment and I endorse virtually everything she has said. But I am, Mr President, going to endorse the point that was made earlier this evening namely that we have been rushed into this with, not unseemingly, but indecent haste by a Commission and a Council conspiring to such an extent that even in the introductory document they put the date of 1 January for its implementation.
Jeg beder derfor Kommissionen forstå, hvilket pres De har lagt på os, skønt vi, som det allerede er blevet nævnt her i forsamlingen, ikke har til hensigt at sætte tempoet ned, da vi erkender den alvorlige situation, der hersker på kalvekødsmarkedet forskellige steder i Fællesskabet.
They have rushed into it without consultation, and the best professional advice in every one of the Community languages is almost totally against them with only one exception.
Derfor mener jeg ikke, at vi bør tillade Kommissionen at presse os til at handle overilet.
I have heard Mrs Castle who always reads her brief very thoroughly; I have heard our new Agriculture
Det vi bør gøre,
That is how it started.
Ceravolo udvalget for miljøbeskyttelse havde foreslået, mere eller mindre er blevet vedtaget, hvilket vi kan takke hr. Nielsen for.
Commissioner talk, for example, about safe sub­stances.There is no suchthing as a safe substance inthis field: it is dose-related.
er at indføre det princip kun at godkende de stoffer, som man har kunnet bevise er uskadelige.
Mr Maher. — I can be extremely brief because most of what I had to say, has already been said.I did want to comment nevertheless on one point.
Dette er det grundlæggende princip, som man i dag i viden skabelige og etiske miljøer har accepteret!
There are many people here tonight who are leaders of consumer organizations and who influence consumers in their attitudes to the food they buy and the prices they pay.
Vi ønsker derfor en bekræftelse: udvalget for miljøbeskyttelse er gået med til at afstå fra at indføje en henvisning til antibiotika, netop fordi Kommissionens repræsentanter har forpligtet sig til at tage dette initiativ i løbet af den næste måned.
I think it is worth reminding them that those who produce food are constantly under pressure to try to produce that food at the lowest possible price for the consumer so that they will be left with a reasonable market and also a reasonable profit.
Jeg håber, man vil støtte dette initiativ, selv om det endnu er ufuldstændigt — fordi som jeg sagde, marigier antibiotika — og på trods af, at det endnu ikke er helt klart, at man udelukkende bør anvende naturlige stoffer til terapi.
So very often they are under pressure to make use of aids in that production in order to try to increase their incomes. And every time the consumers — and I am talking of the consumers who are not also producers — pressurize the farmers to take less for their food.
Imidlertid må vi gå videre med dette spørgsmål, for der findes ikke noget værre, noget som ikke blot kan skade forbrugerne men også forstyrre produktionen, end at efterlade tvivl med hensyn til de principper, som bør ligge til grund for dette spørgsmål.
There is no distinction between the natural and the synthetic. And my colleague here has even gone so far as to say that by modifying certain branches of the structure of these most intriguing molecularly formed hormones you can make a synthetic which is safer than that which God has implanted in all our bodies.
Dette gælder både for forbrugerne og så ganske afgjort også for producenterne.
It is this sort of nonsense which makes those of us who can recognize the shape of a 17 steroid whenever we see its molecular diagram, posi­tively puke when we see some of the nonsense that is put forward before us.
Et andet spørgsmål, som jeg ønsker at henlede Kommissionens opmærksomhed på og få svar på, er følgende: Vi har forslået, at man i stedet for begrebet husdyr indføjer det meget mere vidtgående begreb dyr, der anvendes til menneskeføde, fordi man bør være klar over, at man inden for fiskeavlen anvender kemiske stoffer, og i øvrigt bruges kaninkød til menneskeføde.
They are very powerful, using a lot of money — many of them are multinational organizations making use of the most sophisticated methods of publicity — the media — to convince the farmer that by using x, y, ζ he will get higher output and therefore more profit.
Vi har et andet spørgsmål, som vi ønsker kommissionsmedlemmets svar på: Regnes frosset kød med til frisk kød?
Take up any newspaper, look at any television screen, and that is what you find.
Jeg ønsker endnu engang at henlede opmærksom heden på industrifoder.
So the farmer is under this pressure and very often in fact he is in a situation where he does not know what he is buying.
I artikel 6 § 2 i den III. forordning står der, at man må forhindre at forbudte stoffer — også dem, der anvendes terapeutisk — indtages gennem munden.
He is pressurized on one side to keep his prices down and on the other he is pressurized by the commercial interests to buy the products so that he can increase his profits.
Jeg tror, at dette kræver en kontrol med fremstillingen af industriforder, netop fordi industrifoder kan indeholde de kemiske stoffer, som forbydes.
Many of these commercial interests can operate in such a way that they can sell products which in fact are not safe and not well tested.
Jeg tror også, man må sige, at det, når det kommer til stykket, er en sejr for forbrugerne, som på denne måde får garanti for, at de beskyttes bedre.
Few people will hear; no one will have the chance of reading it before they come in tomorrow morning, once again with their portfolio of prejudices, to vote upon this matter.
Der er en række punkter, der bør fremhæves.
What about that aspect of it?
Dette kan vi takke vor kollega, Nielsen, for og hans udmærkede betænkning, som både er velovervejet og effektiv, og som vi støtter fuldt ud.
Are we satisfied in fact that all these preparations that are being sold are in fact well tested before they are sold?
Det skal også fremhæves, at det er godt, at det i højere grad drejer sig om forordninger end direktiver, for på denne måde er bestemmelserne bindende i enkeltheder og kan gennemføres direkte i alle medlemsstaterne.
I think it is extremely important that we look at this aspect of it because otherwise I think there is a danger that we will, continue to use products that perhaps are a certain threat to the health of consumers.
Jeg vil nu gå over at illustrere de to ændringsforslag, som jeg stiller, og som også giver udtryk for den indstilling, som udvalget for miljøbeskyttelse har.
I wish to commend to you one particular attitude and that is that the list when it is constructed should be a combination of a positive list of permitted substances allied with a very definite negative list of those sub­stances which we know already.
Det første vedrører problemet med at oplyse de stater, som har fået tilsendt kød, der er kontamineret af de stoffer, som vi nu ønsker at forbyde.
We are not venturing into experiments, because these substances are already known to be too dangerous.
Jeg mener, man har pligt til at gøre det af hensyn til en vis korrekthed, når det gælder de handelsmæssige forbindelser, og for at Fællesskabets ansigt udatil kan forblive rent og korrekt.
Add, Mr Commissioner, a negative list to your positive list and you will have the support of myself and my colleagues.
Vi synes, dette er helt vanvittigt.
Many people would argue that they are a certain threat.
Dette er de to ændringsforslag, som vi ønsker at henlede opmærksomheden på fordi andre ting, som
She is pushing the farmer towards desperately trying to make use of these artifi­cial aids in order to keep his income up.
På et vist tidspunkt spurgte vi os selv, hvorvidt man burde medtage andre stoffer end de hormonale thyreostatiske stoffer — jeg taler her om antibioteka — men jeg tror, det er klogere, at vi kun beskæftiger os med de hormonale stoffer, således at vi så hurtigt som muligt kan få vedtaget forordningen.
But one thing I would say: go back, think about it again, come to us for an order for a directive and you will achieve, I think, a unanimity of opinion in this House which, as opposed to the pious platitudinous welcomes that have been extended to certain other proposals today, might overwhelm you by its spirit, its genuineness and its generosity.
Man må imidlertid ikke glemme, at også antibioteka er skade lige stoffer, og at Kommissionen har lovet så hurtigt som muligt at stille et forslag til forordning om dette spørgsmål.
Now that might be far removed from hormones but hormones are one of those areas where it has been shown to the farmer that by using them he can get better growth in his animals and so increase his profits.
Ligesom jeg selv kommer hr. Nielsen fra et land, hvor landmændenes indkomst i øjeblikket er overordentlig lav.
Pay us enough for the food and we will give it to you absolutely clear and natural with no artificial additives whatever.
Det glæder mig at høre, at hr. Nielsen mener, at dette er en tilfredsstillende situation.
President. — I call Mr Brøndlund Nielsen.
Tilbage er problemet i forbindelse med omkostningerne, og her indtager vi nok en lidt anden holdning.
The question of whether a negative or positive list should be drawn up was also discussed.
Vi mener, at omkostningerne i forbindelse med kontrol og undersøgelser til syvende og sidst bør pålægges forbrugeren.
I have advocated a positive list since I think this would be the safest solution.
Jeg ved, at nogle er imod dette forslag fra Kommissionen, men jeg tror, at man her bør se på realiteterne i forbindelse med priserne, og at forbrugeren også bør være klar over, at produktkvaliteten koster mere.
I realize that this might involve certain problems, but I think this is what we should fundamentally be aiming at.
På den anden side må man heller ikke snyde forbrugeren ved at tilbyde et skadeligt produkt med en relativ lav pris.
If I understood him correctly, Mr Sherlock was advocating both a positive and a negative list.
Man må derfor hellere være ærlig, når det drejer sig om priserne.
I wonder about the logic of this, but we may learn later how we are to understand this proposal.
Endelig har Kommissionen behandlet spørgsmålet om terapeutik på en meget begrænset måde.
Mr Brøndlund Nielsen, rapporteur — (DK) Mr President, I should like to express my thanks for the support I have received from what I take to be a majority in this House.
Det kan kun glæde os, fordi vi udmærket ved, at hvis det ikke havde været tilfældet, ville man kunne have konstateret omfattende misbrug.
In particular, I should like to thank the spokesman of the Socialist Group and the Group of the European People's Party.
Jeg er overrasket over den almindelige holdning her i aften. Enhver er ude på at ødelægge hormon industrien.
Thus I was pleased at the support I have received from this House and I might perhaps be permitted to say that even though it is late and many of us are perhaps tired, this has in fact been a very stimulating debate.
Der er ikke noget galt med hormoner; de er gode, hvis de anvendes på fornuftig vis.
According to the newspapers there are many new things happening in British politics at the time being.
De bør sigte mod udarbejdelsen af en positiv liste over disse stoffer.
This was extremely interesting and quite novel.
Hvis Fællesskabet ønsker at gennemføre et fornuftigt stykke arbejde på dette område, må foranstaltningerne vedtages så hurtigt som muligt, både når det gælder hormoner og antibiotika.
However, the document I submitted has, I think, received considerable support and I should like to thank you for this just as I thank my colleagues in the Committee on Agriculture for their valuable cooperation on this report.
Jeg vil først gerne se Kommissionen udarbejde en positiv minimumsliste over tilladelige stoffer.
Mr Dalsager, Member of the Commission. — (DK) Mr President, one of my main reasons for asking to speak is to answer a number of direct questions which I have been asked. · -
Når de har undersøgt de øvrige stoffer grundigt, kan de derefter godkende disse, men de burde ikke på nuværende tidspunkt fordømme alle vækstfremmende stoffer.
Mr Dalsager spoke on the point in my report dealing with the way in which these things are to be financedI am assuming that what the Commissioner had reservations about was paragraph 10 and in particular the second half of this paragraph.
Jeg mener, at vi har diskuteret denne sag ofte nok i udvalget. Vi må imidlertid sætte en stopper for denne panik.
This merely underlines what I said about the need for realistic price increases.
Lad os se fornuftigt og rationelt på spørgsmålet og tage en endelig beslutning om, hvilken holdning vi skal indtage.
It could of course be said that people were over-reacting somewhat, but nevertheless this means that there was a reaction and that people understandably view some of these products with a certain amount of suspicion.
Han går ind til en vanskelig opgave, og jeg håber, at han får lige så megen medgang som sin afdøde savnede landsmand.
I might perhaps say that one should not perhaps take the expression 'a month' entirely literally — it may well be five weeks.
Hr. formand, jeg vil fatte mig i korthed i aften.
However, I can at any rate vouch for the fact that these proposals are being drawn up.
Jeg har aldrig hørt mage til panikmageri, og jeg mener, at både Rådet og Kommissionen har skyld i dette.
There are two proposals, one regarding the mixing of antibiotics with foodstuffs and one concerning the administration of antibiotics to animals.
Begge instanser blev grebet af panik, hvilket resulterede i en populær politisk beslutning, som jeg er over bevist om, at de nu har fortrudt.
The chief aim of the proposals is to prevent the presence of residues in meat.
Der har ved flere lejligheder været antydning af, at Kommissionen og Rådet tænker på at ændre først deres første og derefter deres anden holdning. Jeg er af den opfattelse, at de nu er fornuftige nok til at overveje en positiv liste over disse stoffer.
As regards Mr Hord's remarks concerning the work in the Committee, I should like to say that in many respects we were perhaps placed under considerable pressure and had some very difficult deadlines to meet, but I think that we in the Committee on Agriculture had the opportunity to conduct a very good and thorough debate on this subject.
Det undrer mig ikke, at Fællesskabet befinder sig i en sådan redelighed! Det er så vanskeligt at få folk til at se bort fra enten deres indgroede eller deres nationale interesser eller fra følelsesbetonede pres og virkeligt prøve at få sandheden frem og ærligt arbejde hen imod, hvad der bør gøres for at opnå de mål, vi søger!
I had the pleasure recently of supporting a proposal put forward by Mr Davern regarding the difficult situation as regards income in his country and I do not think basically that we fail to understand the other's point of view regarding the problems facing the farmers in this respect.
Der har derimod været en tendens til at give det udseende af, at hvis et vækst fremmende stof bruges, fremkalder det sygdom hos dyret.
Mr Ceravolo had a question regarding an amendment in the case of animals for human nutrition.
Jeg var faktisk meget overrasket over at høre hr. Nielsen sige i aften, at vækstfremmende stoffer ikke bør bruges med henblik på en hurtig fortjeneste ved kvægdrift eller med henblik på at opnå en hurtig
I am fully prepared to consider the wording proposed, i.e. to replace 'domestic animals' with 'animals for human nutrition' and I fully agree with the remarks which have been made concerning, for example, fish and rabbits.
Jeg vil gerne minde forsamlingen om, hvad der var den oprindelige årsag til dette ramaskrig om
I can assure Mr Ceravolo that frozen meat is included, since the checks will apply to all meat without exception.
Her er jeg helt uenig med nogle af de europæiske demokrater, som har talt i denne debat. En negativ liste er ikke god nok, og en af de tidligere talere har gjort det klart hvorfor.
Dalsager consumers and producers might find difficult to understand.
Hvad sker der, hvis man har en negativ liste?
The consumers are afraid of children and adults absorbing these substances via foodstuffs.
Man venter og ser, om de produkter, der allerede er blevet markedsført, viser sig at være skadelige, før man forbyder dem.
We are under a major obligation to ensure that they will not be consuming undesirable substances by eating foodstuffs produced by European agriculture.
Forbrugeren har på det tidspunkt allerede lidt skade. Man bruger mennesker som forsøgsdyr.
Various questions have been raised regarding exports to third countries of substances banned in the Community.
Derefter siger man, at disse stoffer forårsagede skade, og derfor vil vi nu forbyde dem.
I must admit that I myself have considered this question but I should nevertheless like to ask Parliament to be so kind as to bear in mind that I took over responsibility for these matters only about a fortnight ago.
Det, der er brug for, er at afprøve og udvælge vækstfremmende stoffer, som i hvert fald er lige så sikre som de naturlige hormoner, og derefter bestemme, at de skal indføjes på den godkendte positive liste!
However, I have been informed by officials that, at least at present, there is no legal basis which would enable us to forbid factories to produce these substances and export them to third countries, which, quite simply, is why this figures in the proposed regulation. lation.
Det er, hvad jeg foreslår i mit ændringsforslag nr. 9.
President. — The debate is closed.
Og jeg er overbevist om, at mit ændringsforslag nr. 9 er vejen fremad for et intelligent fællesskab, der forsøger at opnå de bedste resultater. tater.
The 'motion for a resolution will be put to the vote at the next voting time.
Hvis jeg har forstået ham ret, viser han i sin betænkning ligeså megen interesse for land mændene i Danmark, som han gør for forbrugere i almindelighed.
The question of a negative list or a positive list etc. has been raised by many speakers, and, in addition, the question has been raised as to whether there should perhaps be a directive rather than a regulation in this case.
Lad mig sige det ligeud, vi er alle forbrugere.
I should like to say that, in the Commission's view, a regulation is the best way of guaranteeing uniform application of the rules as swiftly as possible.
Der er ikke en eneste sektor, der ikke ængstes med hensyn til skadelige fødevarer. Det må efter min mening understreges kraftigt.
However, if it should become apparent that a directive would be a more practical way of going about things, the Commission is prepared to reconsider its position.
hormoner i kalvekød og babymad.
President. — The next item is the report (Doc.
Det skyldtes, at man i Italien fandt nogle dåser med babymad, frem stillet af kalvekød, hvori der var foruroligende store forekomster af restkoncentrationer, som kunne være skadelige. Disse restkoncentrationer stammede fra diætylstilbostrol. Men hvor var babymaden kommet fra?
1-136/80/rev.), drawn up by Mr Balfour on behalf of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs, on the communication from the Commission to the Council concerning convergence and budgetary ques tions.
Og vi véd, at nøglen til effektiv forbrugerbeskyttelse ligger i tvang. Enhver, der ønsker en beskyttende lovgivning, bør først forklare, hvorledes han eller hun agter at håndhæve den: i modsat fald er det blot floskler at forsøge at give folk en falsk sikkerhedsfornemmelse.
I should, however, like to say that we must also consider whether this in fact meets the consumers' wishes.
Derfor konstateredes der diætylstilbostrol i den belgiske babymad og via Italien på laboratorierne i Det forenede Kongerige, som konstaterede de farlige mængder i den pågældende mad.
It is not only a question of the Commission or the Members of Parliament or others being quite certain that these things must not be allowed to hamper production of meat for various purposes.
Således kan man beskytte forbrugeren.
Thus, certain vital interests of the producers are also at stake here.
Før fru Castle fik ordet, mente jeg, jeg havde noget at sige, men nu har jeg ikke noget at tilføje.
There has been a sort of inter-party campaign for a positive list of hormones permitted for use in pro moting growth.
Hun har virkelig formået at fremføre alt på den mest fornuftige måde og i en af de bedste taler, jeg har hørt i denne forsamling i lang tid.
It was, I think, Mrs Castle who said that a total ban would result in a black market.
Det glæder mig meget, at den nye landbrugskommissær, hr. Dalsager, er til stede i dag, og at han deltog i debatten på et tidligt tidspunkt.
I have discussed these problems before when I was a member of the Council, and I know that there is one country at least where there is a total ban, and there has been for decades, and where there has been no signs of a black market in these substances.
Det glædede mig ligeledes at høre ham sige, at som følge af denne betænkning og af hans gennemlæsning af de forskellige ændringsforslag var han rede til at vende hjem og endnu en gang grundigt overveje hele situationen.
However, I fully realize that in places where these substances have traditionally been used, this would naturally constitute a break with the traditional way of life, an intervention which the
Der er ingen tvivl om, at der har hersket stor ængstelse over hele Europa efter konstateringen af disse uforsvarlige restkoncentrationer i babymad og af lignende fund i kalvekød i en anden del af Fælles skabet.
Mr Balfour, rapporteur. — Mr President, I am conscious of the fact that my committee is introducing its report on convergence and budgetary questions, heavily pregnant after a nine-month delay.
Jeg mener, at en sådan reaktion er fuldt ud
This post ponement was not our doing; the delay was brought about by events.
Der findes altså alternative produkter, som er meget lettere at kontrollere, fordi deres tilstedeværelse er meget lettere at konstatere. Der er ikke nedlagt forbud mod diætylstilbostrol i Det forenede Konge rige, men det bruges overhovedet ikke til kvæg.
As the European Summit, or whatever we should call that supra-Community institution, made its painful and grudging progress towards a solution, the Parliament's business managers felt it unwise to introduce the will of Parliament, which is embodied in this report, as a factor in the summit discussions.
Hvorfor? Fordi der er lovlige alternativer.
We thus failed to debate and adopt this report in time to be able to influence events in April and May of last year, and I regretted this decision.
Lad os forsøge at vedtage en lovgivning, der giver resultater!
Today, then, is as good a time as any since last May to consider the question of
Clinton berettiget, og hvis der anvendes skadelige stoffer, som vi véd, det er tilfældet, til vækstforsøgelse hos kvæg, så bør de rammes og rammes meget hårdt.
Balfour convergence and its budgetary implications, and I am glad of the opportunity which this gives us to highlight the problem so early on in the life of the new Commission. sion.
På den måde tror jeg, vi når frem til en fornuftig afgørelse, og en fornuftig afgørelse har længe været påkrævet.
There may be periods when membership will require one country or another to contribute more than the next to a particular policy.
Vi kunne fortsætte med at debatere dette emne længe, men fru Castle har allerede sagt alt.
For this can only be possible if individual Member States work hard to improve their own economic performance and if they can learn to coordinate such work with their Community part ners on a medium and longterm basis.