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Det vil sige, at Budget rådet, som det også er sket i de tidligere år, påny forskanser sig bag andre Råd, som så at sige angive ligt har større kompetence end Budgetrådet selv.
Instead, as in previous years, the Budget Council is once more sheltering behind pther Cpuricils which are supppsed tp be mpre cpmpetent.
I denne sammenhæng rejser sig helt naturligt det principielle spørgsmål, om det så i det hele taget er umagen værd at føre forhandlinger og opnå resultater med Budgetrådet i de afgørende politiske spørgsmål, som kommer frem på grund af budgetsituationen.
This pbvipusly gives rise to the basic questipn pf whether there is any ppint whatspever in holding talks with the Budget Cpuncil pn majpr pplitical issues arising from the budgetary situatipn and trying to reach some results.
Formanden. — Fru Seibel-Emmerling, dette spørgsmål er nemt at besvare: medlemmer af Kommissionen taler altid i Parlamentet som medlemmer af Kommissionen.
DRAFT GENERAL BUDGET OF THE EURO PEAN COMMUNITIES FOR 1983 AS MODIFIED BY THE COUNCIL, 2nd READING
Efter stemmeforklaringerne til beslutningsforslaget (dok. 1-1059/82)
After the explanations of vote on the motion for a resolu tion (Doc. 1-1059/82)
Arndt (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne spørge Dem: vi hørte för lidt siden, at Frank Cluskey er blevet minister i den irske regering; der er derfor nu 433 parlamentsmedlemmer. Er det så korrekt, at det nødvendige flertal er 217 stemmer?
Mrs Focke (S). — (DE) Mr President, before we come to vote on the two motions for resolutions, I should like to ask whether it is formally possible to combine them into a single motion for a resolution since I think it is intolerable that we should flatly reject one of them and only afterwards come up with our constructive proposals for the future in the form of a supplementary motion for a resolution.
Formanden. — Det har De regnet meget nøjagtigt ud, hr. Arndt. Det er 217 stemmer.
Would it still be possible now that we have actually come to vote on them to combine them into a single motion for a resolution?
Focke (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, før vi skrider til afstemning om de to forslag til beslutning, vil jeg gerne spørge, om det formelt er muligt at forene de to forslag i ét beslutningsforslag.
Mr Møller, President-in-Office of the Council. — (DA) Mr President, ladies and gentleman, I should like to stress in connection with the 1983 budget that, during its discussions with the Parliamentary Delegation, the Council stated that it was willing to grant Parliament over half the amount Parliament had had in mind.
Jeg anser det for uantageligt, at vi på den ene side kommer med et rent Njet og på den anden side først bagefter fremlægger vore konstruktive forestillinger for fremtiden i yderligere et forslag.
Thus, the Council was prepared to agree to 70% of the amount proposed by the Committee on Budgets being included under noncompulsory expenditure and accepted by the Council, with all that this would imply for the maximum rate of increase.
Ville det være muligt endnu under afstemningen at forene de to forslag til ét?
Here too, I think I can rightly say that the Council was prepared to meet Parliament half way, and I hope you will bear this in mind when deciding which way to vote.
Formanden. — Nej, det er ikke muligt nu.
President. — No, that is not possible at this stage.
Det tilkommer budgetudvalget at afgøre, hvad der skal ske med dets forslag.
It is the responsibility of the Committee on Budgets to pro pose what it has proposed.
Bangemann (L). — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg spørger for at lette Parlamentets arbejde, om de anmeldte stemmeforklaringer ikke kan afgives nu, fordi man jo er nødt til at vente med afstemningen, til alle teksterne er omdelt.
Mr Robert Jackson (ED), General rapporteur. — Mr President, I am afraid that I cannot offer the Parliament any of the drama which has coloured our discussion of the 1982 supplementary budget although I do fear that the 1983 budget may well turn out to be one of the many, many casualties that will be produced by the explosion of the 1982 supplementary.
Langes (PPE). — (DE) Hr. formand, ethvert parlamentsmedlem skal vide, hvorfor vi i dette så vanskelige spørgsmål foreslår netop dette.
Mr Langes (PPE). — Mr President, everyone in this House should understand why we have made this pro posal in connection with this difficult matter.
Fru Focke skal vide, at vi i lang tid har overvejet, om vi skulle fore lægge ét eller to forslag til beslutning. Vi foreslog først ét.
Mrs Focke should realize that we have given a great deal of consideration to the question of whether we should table one or two motions for resolutions.
Men for at der kan samles et stort flertal, er vi også indforstået med to forslag til beslutning og to afstemninger ved navneopråb.
Initially, we had proposed one but, with a view to obtaining a large majority, we finally agreed on two motions for resolu tions and two specific votes.
Vi må have et stort flertal.
This should result in a large majortiy.
Efter vedtagelsen af beslutningsforslaget 1-1062/82
After adoption of the motion for a resolution (Doc. 1-1062/82)
Otto Møller, formand for Rådet. — Efter den sted fundne afstemning finder jeg det rigtigst at sige følgende: jeg ved, at Rådet i flere omgange har gjort det klart for Parlamentet, hvilken politisk betydning Rådet tillægger tillægsbudget nr. 1 for 1982.
What I have to propose to the Parliament in respect of the 1983 budget is really very simple. The Committee on Budgets simply confirms the line it has consistently taken ever since the Council's second reading and reaffirms its recommendation of this line to the House.
Møller (ED). — Jeg hørte med interesse på den danske rådsformands erklæring her til formiddag.
Mr Møller, President-in-Office of the Council. — (DA) Following the vote I think I should make the following point.
Han omtalte nogle tilbud, Rådet havde givet i form af visse hensigtserklæringer.
I know that the Council has frequently made it quite clear to Parliament what political significance it attaches to the supplementary
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Jackson adopted by the President and executed by the Commission. mission.
Artikel 630 — Ændringsforslag nr. 108 behøver ikke her at uddybe, hvilke vanskeligheder der for medlemslandene har været forbundet med at finde den løsning, som blev indeholdt i tillægsbudgettet, og som har ligget på Parlamentets bord.
President. — Mr Galland, every Member has a list of the various political groups which indicates the votes in favour and those against.
Lady Elles (ED) — (EN) Eftersom udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender har besluttet, at ad hoc-udvalg ikke har beføjelse til at stille ændringsforslag til beslutninger i Parlamentet, spørger jeg mig selv, hvor hæderligt undersøgelsesudvalget om kvindens situation i Europa egentlig er, når det stiller ændringsforslag.
Lady Elles (ED). — I just wondered about the rectitude of the Committee of Inquiry into the Situation of Women in Europe tabling any amendments at all, because the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions found that ad hoc committees do not have the right to table amendments to resolutions to this Parliament. ment.
Den situation, der opstår, medfører konsekvenser, som måske ikke er ganske overskuelige på indeværende tidspunkt, men det er formentlig rigtigt at tale om, at der herved etableres en krise i vort samarbejde mellem Fællesskabets institutioner og det på et tids punkt, hvor den økonomiske og sociale situation netop har understreget det meget store behov, vi alle bør føle for et samarbejde.
President. — Lady Elles, I have to remind you that the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions ruled that as long as it had not really ruled on the Committee of Inquiry into the Situation of Women in Europe, it would be considered as a normal, permanent committee.
Udkast til fællesskabernes almindelige budget for 1983, ændret af Rådet — 2. behandling
President. — Everybody remembers things differently. We shall find out what is on the tape and we shall decide accordingly.
Robert Jackson (ED), ordfører. — (EN) Jeg mener, at vi bør stemme om ændringsforslag nr. 108, fordi det indeholder bemærkninger, som ikke findes i det tidligere ændringsforslag nr. 184, dette ændringsforslag er derfor ikke dækket.
Mr Robert Jackson (ED), General rapporteur. — I think we ought to vote on Amendment No 108, because it does contain remarks which are not con tained in the earlier Amendment, No 184, so it is not in fact covered.
Og budgetudvalget anbefaler, at man stemmer for ændringsforslag nr. 108.
And the Committee on Budgets would recommend voting in favour of Amendment No 108.
Artikel 791 — efter afstemningen om ændringsforslag nr. 99
Article 791 —After the vote on Amendment No 99
Galland (L). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg beklager, at jeg tager et tidligere punkt op, men jeg mener, at der er sket en fejl i afstemningen om et ændringsforslag.
Mr Galland (L). — (FR) Mr President, I am sorry if I have to bring something up again but I have the impression there was an error in the vote on an amendment.
Hr. Robert Jackson må bekræfte eller afkræfte det følgende.
Mr Jackson will have to confirm or refute what I am going to say.
Otto Møller, formand for Rådet. — Hr. formand, ærede medlemmer af Parlamentet, med hensyn til spørgsmålet om 1983-budgettet vil jeg gerne her understrege for Dem, at Rådet under drøftelserne med Parlamentets delegation erklærede sig villigt til at komme Parlamentet i møde med mere end halv delen af det beløb, som Parlamentet havde tænkt sig.
Mr Møller, President-in-Office of the Council. — (DA) Now that Parliament is approaching the end of its voting on the 1983 budget, I should like to point out on behalf of the Council that the budget procedure cannot be' regarded as completed, since the con ditions under which the President of this Parliament can, pursuant to Article 203 of the Treaty, declare the budget finally adopted have not been fulfilled.
Også her mener jeg, at jeg med god ret kan sige, at Rådet var indstillet på at strække hånden frem og vise kompromisvillighed. Jeg beder Dem have dette i tankerne, når De tager stilling inden afstemningen.
This is because the maximum percentage increase has been exceeded without any agreement having been reached between the Council and Parliament on a revised maximum rate of increase, as provided for in Article 203 (8).
De nævnte, at budgetudvalget havde udtalt sig imod ændringsforslag nr. 159 (konto 7382); men jeg mener, at budgetudvalget gik ind for dette ændringsforslag. forslag.
Mr Robert Jackson (ED), general rapporteur. — Mr President, I can confirm that the Committee on Budgets was in favour of that.
Robert Jackson (ED), ordfører. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg kan bekræfte, at budgetudvalget gik ind for dette ændringsforslag.
Mr Robert Jackson (ED), General rapporteur. — The House might like to know that it has kept exactly to the target of the Committee on Budgets, that we have voted an additional 137 279 million ECU in payments and 176 999 000 ECU in commitments.
Galland (L). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg bemærkede, at De sagde, at budgetudvalget var imod dette ændringsforslag, og dette medførte, at ændringsforslaget blev forkastet.
Mr Galland (L). — (FR) Mr President, I was aware you said that the Committee on budgets was against this amendment and this led to the rejection of the amendment.
Nogle siger, at det er forkastet, andre at det er vedtaget.
Some people are saying that it has been rejected, while others are saying it has been adopted.
Hvis det er blevet vedtaget, har jeg ikke mere at sige.
If it has been adopted, that is the end of the matter.
Men hvis det er blevet forkastet, står vi over for et problem.
But if it has been rejected, there is a problem.
Formanden. — Hr. Galland, det er umuligt efter så mange afstemninger at huske nøjagtigt, hvad der er foregået.
President. — Mr Galland, after so many votes it is impossible to remember what happened with any precision.
Galland (L). — (FR) Hr. formand, hvis De siger, at et ændringsforslag er forkastet af budgetudvalget, vil Parlamentet stemme imod, og jeg tror, at det er det, der er sket.
Mr Lange (S), chairman of the Committee on Budgets. — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, there is no doubt we have had a bit to do in the past few days and the last 25 hours have been particularly tough.
Ikke mindst De, hr. formand, har i dag ny bevist, at også sådanne vanskelige afstemninger kan gennemføres hurtigt.
1-1035/82), tabled by Mr Habsburg and others on behalf of the Group of the European People's Party (CD Group), on the situation in Poland.
Jeg tror, at dette giver en tilstrækkelig garanti for, at medlemmerne stemmer, som deres gruppe har besluttet.
And lastly, Mr President, you have shown us once again here today that difficult votes like this one can be dealt with smoothly.
Efter afstemningen om det samlede beslutningsforslag af R. Jackson (dok. 1-993/82)
After the vote on the Jackson motion for a resolution (Doc.
Edward Kellett-Bowman (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, De sagde, at båndoptagelsen vil afgøre, hvad De virkelig sagde.
Mr Tyrrel (ED). — For most of this week Parliament has concentrated on its own internal Community problems which have seemed large and at times insoluble.
Jeg hørte, hvad De sagde.
But let us get them in perspective.
De udtalte Dem to gange om dette resultat, hver gang forskel ligt, hvilket har øget forvirringen.
Our problems are petty in comparison with those facing the Polish people.
Vi vil finde ud af, hvad der er på båndet, og vi afgør sagen i overensstemmelse dermed.
One year after thè treacherous imposition of martial law we look back with sorrow and frustration.
Før afstemningen om det samlede beslutningsforslag af R. Jackson (dok. 1-993/82)
We have pledged ourselves to succour the Polish people who want no more than the free doms which we in this part of our joint continent take for granted.
Bonde (CDI). — Et indlæg til forretningsordenen, hr. formand.
Mr Bonde (CDI). — (DA) On a point of order, Mr President.
Man har nu vedtaget et budget, som går ud over stigningstakten, så der skal i henhold til Parlamentets egen forretningsorden fremlægges et forslag fra budgetudvalget til en ny stigningstakt.
We have now adopted a budget which exceeds the maximum rate of increase. Thus, in accordance with Parliament's own Rules of Procedure the Committee on Budgets should now table an amendment for a new maximum rate of increase.
Jeg vil gerne spørge formanden, hvornår der kommer et forslag til en ny stigningstakt?
I should like to ask the President when such a proposal will be made.
(Mødet udsat kl. 13.15 og genoptaget kl. 15.15) (
President. — Mr Bonde, this is not a point of order.
FORSÆDE: LADY DIANA ELLES Næstformand
IN THE CHAIR: LADY ELLES
Formanden. — Vi begynder med forhandling under ét om:
: topical and urgent
1-1022/82) af lord O'Hagan for de europæiske fremskridtsdemokraters gruppe om Polen
Harrowing accpunts are told of the conditions in which some of them are held.
1-1035/82) af Habsburg m.fl. for det europæiske folkepartis gruppe (CD-gruppen) om situationen i Polen.
I mention three by name, though let us not forget the others: Jacek Kuron, Adam Michník and Jakob Lipinski.
Lange (S), formand for budgetudvalget. — (DE) Hr. formand, mine ærede kolleger, vi har haft meget at gøre i disse dage, og især de sidste 25 timer har stillet store krav til os.
I single out these three because I met them in Warsaw in 1979 when they were prominent members of the 1976 Worker's Defence Committee.
Ud over personalet vil jeg imidlertid gerne udtrykke ligt takke ordførerne ...
They were interned with many others on the 13 December 1981 and it is ironic that the charges against them include that of fomenting a demonstration in August 1982 when they were still incarcerated, as they are today.
(') Beslutningsforslag (forretningsordenens artikel 49): se protokollen.
Motion for a resolution entered in the register (Rule 49) : see Minutes.
Min kollega, fru Barbarella, for ændrings- og tillægsbudgettet for 1982, min kollega, hr. Såby, for driftsbudgettet for 1983 og hr. Jackson for Kommissionens budget for 1983.
So let us warn the Polish military authorities and their Russian masters: we will watch the fate of these men with the eyes of a hawk.
(Bifald) som vi i denne del af vort fælles kontinent betragter som given.
Those in power could never have done this without the pressure of the Red Army.
Undtagelsestilstanden fortsætter og med den fortsat undertrykkelse af den polske befolknings legitime forhåbninger.
They are just as much Gauleiters of an aggressive, totalitarian power as Quisling or Mussert were for Hitler.
I mellemtiden må vi fortsætte vort pres.
They have lost their jobs.
Jeg håber, at også socialisterne vil tilslutte sig ændringsforslaget.
In much of West ern Europe that right has been entrenched for over a hundred years.
Når det gælder dette spørgsmål, taler vi fast, klart og med én stemme.
Not so in Poland, despite overwhelming public support for it.
Vi forpligter os til fortsat at støtte den polske befolkning i dens kamp for at gennemføre sine legitime nationale målsætninger. ninger.
Let us warn the Polish rulers that we will not be fooled and that we regard his safety and liberty as indispensable to re-establishing normal relations.
Dette gælder fremfor alt for den verdensdel, som vi bærer ansvaret for.
I would ask you to reject this amend ment.
I dag rykkes denne problematik i centrum af verdensbegivenhederne fremfor alt på grund af begivenhederne i Polen.
We had a discussion on a joint text along the lines desired by the signatories of the first motion for a resolution.
Man beretter om de forfærdelige forhold, hvorunder nogle af dem holdes fangen.
The fpur groups which have now signed then agreed upon a joint text.
Jeg nævner netop dem, fordi jeg mødte dem i Warszava i 1979, da de var ledende medlemmer af Arbejdernes Forsvarsudvalg af 1976.
I ask you tp adppt the amendment pf the Cpnservatives, Liberals, Progressive Democrats and European People's Party telling the Polish people that the European Parliament is on their side and not on the side of the dictators put in power by Moscow.
Jeg kan med sikkerhed sige, at disse tre tog afstand fra anvendelse af magt.
Meanwhile, we must keep up the pressure.
Disse tre blev taget til fange sammen med mange andre den 13. december 1981, og det er paradoksalt, at en af anklagerne imod dem var, at de havde været med til at organisere en demonstration i august 1982, hvor de stadig var i fangenskab, som de er den dag i dag.
We should send food aid only, and only so long as we can make sure that it goes to the Polish people who need it and not to fill the bellies of the army of oppressors.
Lad os derfor advare de polske militærmyndigheder og deres russiske mestre om, at vi agter at følge disse mænds skæbne med falkeøjne.
Europe will not be free and properly united until the Polish nation, too, can exercise its self-determination.
Den såkaldte general Jaruzelski, som i virkeligheden er en politruk for Den røde Armé, og hans indenrigsminister Kiszczak, der er sovjetisk statsborger, afskaffede for et år siden de få frihedsrettigheder, som det polske folk havde tilkæmpet sig efter oprettelsen af fagforeningen »Solidaritet«.
It is with satisfaction, after the differences of this week, that I move the amendment that stands in the names of the four groups of the centre right encompassing, as it does, Members from all Ten Member States.
De nuværende magthavere havde aldrig kunnet gøre dette uden presset fra Den røde Armé. De er »Gauleitere« for en agressiv og totalitær magt akkurat som Quisling eller Mussert i deres tid var det for Hitler.
I hope the Socialists will also join in this amendment. On this issue we speak firmly, clearly and with one voice.
Jeg kommer nu til den skæbne, som de mange tusinde polakker, der er blevet straffet for deres deltagelse i forsøget på at gennemføre den frihed, som den polske regering lovede dem i Helsinki, har lidt.
Mr Glinne (S). — (FR) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, I must begin by correcting paragraph 2 in the French version of our proposed amendment.
Det påstås, at visse foranstaltninger er på det sidste blevet ophævet. Dette er en grotesk påstand på baggrund af, hvad der er sket i dag!
I must also point out that the first recital in the Dutch version is not quite accurate; the word 'opgeheven' is used when it ought to be 'afgeschaft'.
Vi har drøftet en fælles tekst, sådan som underskriverne af det første forslag til beslutning ønskede det.
Today, this set of problems has become the focal point of world interest particularly as a result of the events in Poland.
Derefter stillede man imidlertid pludselig dette ændringsforslag — en beklagelig fremgangsmåde,
We were given clear proof of their way of thinking when we voted on the Vredeling draft directive on the right of wprkers in multinatipnal cpmpanies to infprmatipn.
Lad os se på den skæbne, »Solidaritet« selv har lidt.
What is the actual issue?
Vi anerkender retten til at blive medlem af en fagforening. I store dele af Vesteuropa har denne rettighed været anerkendt i over hundrede år.
A year ago, General Jaruzelski — in reality a Red Army politruk, and his Interior Minister Kiszczák, a citizen of the Soviet Union, abolished the few liberties that the Polish people had struggled to obtain since the creation of the Solidamos'c Trade Union.
Dette er ikke tilfældet i Polen, på trods af at størstedelen af befolkningen støtter den.
Mr Barbi (EPP). — (FR) Didn't ypu vpte fpr it?
Europa-Parlamentets forhandlinger
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Habsburg lige siden oktober, således at man giver et konkret, materielt bevis på vor solidaritet over for den polske befolkning, som ikke kan identificeres med dens nuværende ledere.
Mr Glinne (S). — (FR) When we Spcialists demand the complete right of association, by which we mean free trade unions and some form of workers' control, it is quite clear that we mean in both West and East.
som gør det umuligt at stemme for det, dette så meget desto mere som det er væsentligt svagere formuleret end teksten fra lord O'Hagan, Gawronski og Israel samt mig selv.
President. — We can make that point when we come to vote on your amendment.
Antoniozzi (PPE). — (IT) Fru formand, jeg mener, at beslutningsforslaget og ændringsforslagene til dette, i betragtning af, at Lech Walesa for en times tid siden på ny er blevet arresteret, bør ændres.
Mr Deschamps (EPP). — (FR) As has already been said, Madam President, Lech Walesa was to have spoken in Gdansk at the foot of the cross erected in memory of the martyrs of the Polish working class.
Der skal nemlig stå »respect des droits de l'homme«, især foreningsrettigheden, i stedet for »droits de coalition«, altså retten til frie fagforeningsaktiviteter, sådan som de kom til udtryk inden for fagforeningen »Solidaritet« før indførelsen af undtagelsestilstanden.
In our opinion, this is an essential precondition for a dialogue to take place between the main political, social and religious forces in Poland which, it is hoped, will initiate a democratic process.
Glinne (S). — (FR) Jeg ønsker at påpege, at rettelserne af de helt materielle fejl i visse versioner af teksten, naturligvis kan foretages.
The two cannot possibly be compared : Knowing that I regard him as a friend, I know that I can confidently express my hope to Mr Glinne that the Socialist Group will support the motion for a' resolution that we have tabled.
Ligeledes konstaterer jeg, at første led i den nederlandske version ikke er rigtig; her anvender man ordet »opgeheven«, hvor man skulle have brugt ordet »afgeschaft«.
Faced with the latest developments in Poland, I trust that our Socialist friends will renounce their stand, be more realistic and join with us in voting.
Formanden. — Den engelske tekst, jeg har kontrol leret, er korrekt i overensstemmelse med hvad De sagde, og de punkter De nævnte, er blevet registreret af den pågældende tjenestegren.
The President of the Union of Euro pean Community Socialist Parties has also spoken along the same lines that I have just touched on- generally. ally.