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Lad mig nævne en række detaljer. For det første, der er spørgsmålet om de selvstændigt erhvervsdrivende. Skal de inkluderes?
Sixth, in many cases there are different rules for reimbursement of contributions if workers decide to leave a scheme.
Her søger jeg orientering fra hr. Richards om hvordan det lykkes ham at inkludere den selvstændigt erhvervsdrivende i direktivet, da artikel 119 kun henviser til den løn, som en arbejds tager som følge af arbejdsforholdet modtager fra en arbejdsgiver.
There are also counter arguments from representatives of the insurance trade who have carefully but clearly tried to slow down or even prevent the application of these provisions under the pretext that women live longer than men. Now this is a statistical finding which applies to the whole population of women, but not to women working as long as men.
Jeg finder det vanskeligt at gå med til, at en person, der er selvstændig, har en arbejdsgiver.
Furthermore, this argument is the only one accepted by mathematicians in favour of a difference.
Jeg formoder, at det, der menes, er de gruppeordninger, som folk fra de liberale erhverv som f.eks. læger eller advokater indgår i, hvor der ligger det element af tvang i det, at hvis man er medlem af professionen, inkluderes man i gruppeordningen.
Why is it not applied to the varying degrees of difficulty of the work of miners or steel workers, where there are in fact differ ences ?
Den mest problemfyldte og vanskelige sag ligger imidlertid i direktivforslagets artikel 6, der omhandler de aktuarmæssige beregninger.
Tenth, many schemes apply a different life expectancy and therefore provide different benefits.
Her fulgte jeg hr. Peters' argumenter med stor interesse. Skal de tages i betragtning?
Mrs Maij-Weggen (PPE), rapporteur. — (NL) Mr President, over the last few years, this House has done a great deal towards the equal treatment of men and women.
Først og fremmest, er det rigtigt, at der er forskelle i dødeligheden mellem mænds og kvinders dødelighed?
We had our first major debate on the position of women in Europe in 1981 ; this was followed by the work undertaken by the Committee of Inquiry into the situation of women in Europe ; and then, in January 1984, a number of new elements were added in the course of a second major debate.
Kommissionen hævder, at det ikke er tilfældet, hvis man tager kvinder, der arbejder inden for særlige erhverv, sammenlignet med mænd, der gør det samme arbejde.
There are three judgments in support of equal treat ment for men and women in this context.
Jeg må sige, at mine undersøgelser af forskellige erhvervstilknyttede ord ninger viser, at dette ikke er rigtigt: der er stadig forskelle i dødelighed hos mænd og kvinder selv ved fuldstændigt sammenlignelige kvalifikationer hos mænd og kvinder.
First, that of the European Court of Justice, which, in a judgment against Lloyds Bank Limited, following a case brought by two women, found that the contribution to a pension scheme constituted pay and that men and women therefore had to be allowed the same benefits.
I en fond, jeg undersøgte, har mænd en gennemsnitlig dødelighed på 77 og kvinder på 81.
Second, in the United Kingdom, according to the Social Security Pension Act passed by the British Parliament in 1975, there must be no discrimination according to age or sex for access to social security schemes.
Når det drejer sig om betingelser for medlemskab og de præmier, der betales, om de risici, der dækkes, og om ydelserne, så er det efter vor mening helt nødven digt hurtigt at nå frem til, at enhver form for forskelsbehandling mellem mænd og kvinder fjernes.
All this work has certainly not been in vain. It has given rise to a variety of Commission and Council resolutions and directives aimed at doing away with the disadvantages and discrimination suffered by women.
For det andet, hvad vil det at se bort fra disse faktorer virkelig betyde, når man har, hvad der kaldes unisex-tabeller? Først og fremmest ville det betyde, at kvinder betalte mindre end mænd for samme årlige betaling.
Third, on 6 July 1983, the Supreme Court of the United States announced that employers could not conclude insurance schemes in which women were placed at a disadvantage in view of their higher life expectancy.
Men jeg vil også henlede opmærksomheden på virkningerne af unisex-tabellerne på kapitaloptionen. Min information er, at dette ville resultere i, at mænd bliver betalt mere i kapitaloptionen og kvinder mindre.
We therefore suggest, first, that parttime workers, temporary workers and those working at home should be specifically included in Article 3 of the Directive relating to the persons to which the provisions apply.
Dette er naturligvis noget, der kan retfærdig gøres eller ej, men min gruppe ville gerne have noget mere information. Disse omkostninger må tages i betragtning, men det betyder ikke nødvendigvis, at fordi der er omkostninger, skal dette særlige direktiv ikke gennemføres.
Second, apart from the occupational schemes for sick ness, invalidity etc, the scheme should also include widowhood or widowerhood.
Vi støtter derfor beslutningsforslaget sammen med vor kollega Peters' betænkning, og vi vil være meget opmærksomme på den behandling, som Rådet giver dette forslag.
In the course of our work, though, we have come across cases of discrimination working against men, one such case involving the payment of survivors' pensions to widows and widowers, and my Group and the Committee on Social Affairs and Employment decided to take the initiative in this particular case.
Vi støtter også fru Maij-Weggens betænkning om ligebehandling af enker og enke mænd med hensyn til social sikring af de samme fundamentale grunde.
Of course, European action on the equal treatment of men and women must not be directed purely and simply at the discriminatory treatment of women, but should also cover discrimination against men wherever this is found to be the case.
Vi samler risici hos rygere òg ikke-rygere, bilister og ikke-bilister, så der er ikke nogen grund til, at man ikke også skulle samle risici for mænd og kvinder.
Indeed, the Commission effectively consolidated the principle in its draft directive on paternity leave, as well as maternity leave.
Fordi der er omkostninger, betyder det ikke, at loven ikke gælder.
Unfortunately, the same principle has not been applied in the third directive on the equal treat ment of men and women in matters of social security, nor in the present directive discussed just now by Mr Peters.
Men jeg vil gerne henlede Kommissionens opmærksomhed på, at der bliver tale om omkostninger, og
Neither of these directives contains provisions on survivors' pensions, thus perpetuating the existing discrimination between widows and widowers, as regards both statutory and occupational schemes.
Pesmazoglou (NI). — (GR) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne takke ordførerne og især fru Maij-Weggen og lykønske hende med hendes arbejde om emnet diskri-
Fourth, the deadlines for implementation of the legal and administrative provisions by the Member States should be postponed for a year from 1 January 1985 to 1986 because a two-year period of adaptation is required and the deadline for examining the occupa
Jeg vil imidlertid gerne fremhæve, at især husmødrene diskrimineres i mange lande, såsom i Grækenland.
It is beyond me how a Member can table so many amendments and then be absent when the report is debated.
I Grækenland udgør husmødrene en langt større andel af den kvindelige befolkning end i andre lande.
Come to that, I can see no Liberal Member here at all, which is hardly a good thing on a subject like this.
Det drejer sig i Grækenland altså om et akut problem, og det giver mig lejlighed til at gentage det forslag, som vi stillede under den almindelige forhandling om kvindernes situation i Det europæiske Fællesskab, nemlig at gennemføre en generel undersøgelse af temaet husmødre, af deres samfundsmæssige rolle og deres samfundsmæssige bidrag.
The Committee on Social Affairs and Employment regards this as an unacceptable situation, and appeals to the Commission, by way of this report and the amendment tabled to Mr Peters' report, to rectify this situation.
Vi vil gerne gøre opmærksom på, at gennemførelsen af den pågældende foranstaltning under ingen omstændigheder må føre til en ny diskriminering til skade for familier, hvor én af partere ikke udfører aflønnet arbejde, nemlig medarbejdende ægtefæller i selvstændige bedrifter eller landbrugsbedrifter, i frie erhverv eller hjemmegående ægtefæller.
Mr President, the fact is that, no matter whether women do a particular thing better or worse than men, it always works out to the disadvantage of the women.
Vi er ikke blinde for de vanskeligheder, vi vil støde på ved gennemførelsen af forslaget, eller for de mulige økonomiske konsekvenser.
There is a sort of deeply rooted mechanism in our male-dominated society that, as we all know, can only be overcome by legislation.
Min gruppe vil enstemmigt støtte Maij-Weggen-betænkningen, og vi anmoder Kommissionen og Rådet om snarest muligt at drøfte dette vigtige forslag og følge det op.
A Community directive in this field could therefore bring about a major improve ment in the situation of widowers in eight of the ten Member States.
Richard, medlem af Kommissionen. — (EN) Fru formand, må jeg begynde med at lykønske hr. Peters for hans fremragende betænkning.
The second point I wish to make is that I have found out that, in none of our national parliaments nor in the European Parliament do female Members have to pay higher contributions or get lower benefits from their pension funds.
Jeg takker ham også på Kommissionens vegne for at have forsvaret direktivforslaget så stærkt på vegne af udvalget om sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse.
If I have got it right, Mr Geurtsen wants to allow insurance companies to do something for the people of Europe which we Members of the European Parliament do not allow in our own House.
Ja, jeg håber sandelig, at de argumenter, han fremfører til støtte for Kommissionens forslag, vil kunne overbevise hele Parlamentet.
I see no point in that, and I think it is something Mr Geurtsen ought to explain to his Liberal supporters at the forthcoming election.
Det emne, som vi behandler i dag, hænger snævert sammen med dette, og jeg foreslår, at spørgsmålet om pensionering og diskrimination af husmødre under søges.
Mrs Van den Heuvel (S), draftsman of the opinion of the Committee of Inquiry into the situation of women in Europe. — (NL) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, in my capacity as draftsman of an opinion for the Committee of Inquiry into the situation of women in Europe, I should like to give my whole hearted support to the initiative taken by the Commission of the occupational social security schemes directive. tive.
Ved samme lejlighed vil jeg ligeledes gøre opmærksom på, at der i mit land, Grækenland, også sker en diskrimination af forskellige kategorier af arbejdstagere, for eksempel landmænd.
In our report, we have also gone into the question of how the equal treatment of widowers could be made financially viable without placing too great a strain on the Member States' budgets and social funds.
Jeg har alle rede oplyst Parlamentet om, at landmændenes pension er en fjerdedel lavere end den mindstepension, der gives af den græske socialforsikringsanstalt.
Our solution is to advise the Member States to concentrate their statutory survivors' pensions on widows and widowers with dependent children and on widows and widowers who were financially dependent on their deceased spouse.
Det samme gælder for de selvstændige håndværkeres pension, som ligeledes ligger langt under dette mindstebeløb.
For widows and widowers without family commitments and with an independent income there should be no specific legal provisions in the future.
Emnet indførelse af en minimumspension, der ydes af de statslige pensionsmyndigheder i alle lande, er af grundliggende betydning.
As a result, resources can be shifted from the best to the least well-off group, which seems to us both financially and socially acceptable.
Jeg gentager, hr. formand, at planerne om indførelse af et sådant system må undersøges af alle lande i snævert samarbejde med Kommissionen.
However, as we did not wish to have this point enshrined in either the resolution or the directive, we have added it as a suggestion to our motion for a resolution.
Målet for direktivforslaget er at skabe ligebehandling af mænd og kvinder i de erhvervstilknyttede sikrings ordninger og derved fuldstændiggøre direkiv 79/7/EØF om de lovbestemte sikringsordninger, der træder i kraft i slutningen af dette år.
The Member States' governments can then decide them selves whether it would offer the best solution for them, bearing in mind their budgetary resources.
Phlix (PPE). — (NL) Fru formand, ærede kolleger, på min gruppes vegne vil jeg gerne tale om Maij-Weggens betænkning om efterladtepension for enker og enkemænd.
This directive is a logical follow-up to earlier directives on equal pay, equal treatment in the work process and equal treatment in statutory social security schemes.
Til trods for de vanskeligheder, vi har at kæmpe med inden for Fællesskabet, er det mere end nogensinde Parlamentets opgave at arbejde videre med udviklingen af Fællesskabet og navnlig med integreringen borgernes interesse.
I think the Commission is to be congratulated on its unswerving determination to move towards equality between men and women despite the icy blast of the economic crisis.
Faktisk er flertallet af Europas borgere på et eller andet tidspunkt berørt af det emne, vi nu drøfter.
Any critical comments I may have to make on behalf of the Committee on Inquiry should therefore be seen first and foremost as our own contribution to the Commission's work.
Jeg tror ikke, der er nogen uenighed om princippet at fjerne kønsdiskriminering fra de erhvervstilknyttede ordninger. Det tror jeg, vi alle er enige om.
Mr President, I should now like to make a few comments on Mr Peters' report in my capacity as spokesman for my Group rather than as a rapporteur.
De forskellige synspunkter, der er, har at gøre med de metoder, der skal benyttes for at gennemføre det princip.
My Group is delighted at the fact that this directive on occupational social security schemes is now available .
Det er blevet sagt, for eksempel, at Kommissionen tager fejl i ikke at tage aktuarmæssige for skelle som den forventede levealder for hvert køn i betragtning.
Perhaps I may be permitted to point out to Mr Peters, however, that this is not in fact the fourth directive ; it is the sixth, counting those on parttime work and temporary work.
Jeg tror, fru formand, at der er nogen misforståelse her.
The fact is that we have made more progress in the field of equal treatment of men and women than we sometimes think.
Det kan være, at det skyldes en sammenblanding mellem den individuelle livsforsikring og de kollektive erhvervstilknyttede ordninger med social sikring.
Mr President, this directive puts an end to a long-lasting and serious instance of discrimination of women, especially in the field of occupational pensions.
Selvfølgelig skal aktuarerne regne med forskellige karakteristika hos den befolknings gruppe, der skal forsikres, især for pensioner.
That being so, I am very surprised at the amendments tabled by Miss de Valera and the Dutch Liberal Mr Geurtsen, who are trying to remove the teeth from this directive with the argument that women live longer.
At udlede, at en kvindelig arbejdstagers erhvervstilknyttede pension skulle være lavere end en mandlig arbejdstagers, bare fordi hun eventuelt modtager den over længere tid, vil ikke desto mindre være helt diskriminerende.
Firstly, this directive includes the by now notorious passage stating that 'the principle of equal treatment shall imply that there be no discrimination whatsoever on the basis of sex, either directly or indirectly by reference in particular to marital or family status ...'.
Det vil være at straffe kvinderne ved ikke at se på kategorier af mandlige arbejdere, der lever længere end gennemsnittet, visse af dem oven i købet længere end den gennemsnitlige kvindelige arbejder, fordi de f.eks. har et arbejde, der ikke er opslidende eller er mere tilfresstillende eller også af andre grunde.
This House has endeavoured on a number of occasions, and particularly on the initiative of the Committee of Inquiry, to find a really watertight definition, an essential point given that a number of governments are clearly trying to shelter behind the ambiguity of the concept of indirect discrimination.
Man må ikke sammenblande kvinders livslængde med kvindelige arbejderes livslængde, om hvilken jeg må sige Parlamentet, at der findes meget
The Commission has made a start on explaining what is meant, especially in the interim report on the implementation of the third directive, but the explanation is
En harmonisering af efterladtepensioner for ægtefolk er et klart skridt mod ligebehandling af mænd og kvinder, og vil fremme det frie valg af arbejdsfordeling mellem parterne.
There are two things I should like to say to Mr Geurtsen, and I am sorry he is not in the Chamber to
Der er ganske enkelt efter vor mening ikke mere grund til at give forskellige bestemmelser i sociale sikringsordninger for arbejds tagere på grund af deres køn, end der ville være til at gøre det på grund af deres ryge-, drikke- eller kørselsvaner.
In the light of all these known problems, we think the Commission would have been well advised to provide a better definition in this latest directive.
For det andet, med hensyn til ændringer i proceduren for bevisbyrde.
Should not non-smokers pay in more in future than smokers on the grounds that they have a good chance of living longer ?
Dette spørgsmål vedrører ikke blot dette direktiv, men de fleste andre direktiver, der behandler ligebehandling.
Does this mean that Mr Geurtsen and those who share his views would be in favour of imposing extra conditions on clerics for this kind of welfare service ?
Igen er Kommissionen ikke afvisende over for tanken.
In raising these points, Mr Geurtsen has bewildered not only me and my Group.
Vi foretrækker dog, at det måske bør undersøges horisontalt på alle de områder, hvor spørgsmålet har praktisk betydning.
The fact is, though, that some such cases have occurred, and have shown how difficult it is for the Commission to do anything about the situation.
For det tredje, spørgsmålet om tidsfristen for direktivers ikrafttræden.
But coming face to face with the word 'dogma' in this context, you cannot help but think that women in Europe have been abandoned by the Liberals.
Det er nok noget, der formodentlig under alle omstændigheder bør undersøges af Rådet, der ulykkeligvis ikke engang er begyndt at se på direktivforslaget.
Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. By introducing pensions for widowers, we shall in fact be able to attack our existing inequalities.
Kommissionen ville ikke bryde sig om at forsyne Rådet med en undskyldning til igen at udsætte gennemgangen af forslaget.
The following comments, Mr President, are made on behalf of my Group in the speaking time allotted to my Group.
Til slut vil jeg sige til hr. Patterson, at jeg er taknemmelig for, at han fremhævede betingelserne i artikel 119.
On the first point, what would happen if we were to take Mr Geurtsen's ideas to their logical conclusions ?
Han har selvfølgelig fuldstændig ret med hensyn til artikel 119.
Would we then not have a situation in which, for instance, people who do not drive, and thus are less likely to die in a car accident, should pay in more ?
Jeg vil blot sige ham, at Kommissionen er helt forvisset om, at vi har tilstrækkeligt juridisk grundlag i resten af traktaten til at beskæftige os med personer, som ikke faktisk er selvstændige.
When we look at the Peters report, it will be seen that it was adopted unanimously by the Committee on Social Affairs and Employment, which means that my group supported both the Commission directive and the report itself. And I think I should explain why.
Må jeg sige til Parlamentet, at min holdning er blevet styrket af De forenede Staters højesterets afgørelse i sagen staten Arizona mod Norris, hvor den afgjorde — og jeg citerer: »Arbejdsgivere må ikke tilbyde pensionsordninger, der diskriminerer kvinder, udelukkende fordi de lever længere end mænd« og lidt senere: »Kønsrelaterede aktuartabeller udgør en kønsdiskrimination.« De fortsatte med at sige: »Kønnet er den eneste faktor, tabellerne benytter til at klassificere individer af samme alder.
The subject discussed by Mr Peters concerns the implementation of the principle of equal treatment for men and women in occupational social security schemes, otherwise known as supplementary insur­ance schemes. It is a fact that there are great differ­ences in the implementation of supplementary insur­ance schemes from country to country but it is also a fact that the issue is an extremely important one because it is the basic source of income of workers when they stop working and Mr Peters quite correctly points out in his report that there must be no differ­ences between statutory schemes and supplementary schemes pursuant to private contracts.
Tabellerne indeholder ikke andre faktorer, der har relation til livslængden såsom rygevaner, alkoholforbrug, sygehistorie eller familieforhold.« Som jeg sagde, har jeg fået støtte fra De forenede Staters højesteret, der sandelig har en ikke ubetydelig erfaring inden for dette særlige område af den juridiske fortolkning.
First of all, because Article 100 of the Treaty does say that pay, direct or indirect, should be equal between men and women ­¡­ and, as Mr Peters pointed out, we have a ruling of the Court in the Lloyds Bank case that rights under insurance schemes constitute pay within the meaning of Article 119. It would have been possible, perhaps, to rely upon the Court to apply this directly — the direct applicability of the Treaties.
Til slut, fru formand, vil jeg gerne bede Parlamentet om at støtte Kommissionens forslag og derved, håber jeg, bane vejen til drøftelsen i Rådet.
Moreover, in her report Mrs Maij­Weggen proposes extending the Directive we have just mentioned to widows' and widowers' pensions.
De lovbestemte sikringsordninger differentierer ikke, mange erhvervstilknyttede ordninger ej heller.
It is also important, in my opinion, to end the differ­ences between statutory and occupational schemes.
Jeg vil endnu en gang takke udvalget om sociale anliggender og beskræftigelse for at have støttet Kommissionens synspunkt, sådan som også det økonomiske og sociale udvalg selv har gjort det.
You will note in the Peters report that we in the United Kingdom have nothing to be ashamed about, because it says : 'To date, the United Kingdom is the only Community Member State which has passed legislation on discrimination in respect of affiliation to occupational social security schemes'.
Der er tre andre forslag, der er blevet fremlagt af udvalget.
First of all, there is the question of the self­employed. Should they be included ?
Jeg siger fra starten, at Kommissionen i princippet ikke er afvisende over for disse forslag.
I imagine what is meant is the group schemes, in which professionals like doctors or lawyers come together where there is an element of compulsion in so far as if you are part of that profes­sion you are included in the group scheme.
Hvis de ikke er blevet optaget i vort forslag, er det af praktiske grunde, som jeg gerne vil have lov til at nævne.
But I would like the Commissioner to clarify his legal reasoning in that respect.
Maij-Weggen (PPE), ordfører. — (NL) Fru formand, jeg vil gerne stille et spørgsmål, for at få klarhed, over følgende.
Mr Patterson (ED). — Mr President, I was talking yesterday to a correspondent from the BBC on her first visit to the European Parliament.
Har jeg forstået det rigtigt, at hr. Richard ikke vil behandle en ligebehandlingen af enker og enkemænd i et supplement til det tredje direktiv, men i et særskilt direktiv?
I asked her what she thought of it so far, and she said she was disappointed by the lack of attendance in the Chamber and she could not see the point of debates which did not have any end product.