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Vi kan blive vældig imponeret over alle disse nationale, fællesskabsmæssige og internationale love, men man må egentlig nok fastslå, at mængden af lovgivning snarere er et tegn på en svag end på en stærk miljøpolitik, for antallet af huller i disse love og af huller mellem lovene er så stort, at det overhovedet ikke er mærkeligt, at der simpelt hen foretages legale dumpninger og udledninger.
With regard to the figure of 80 dB, it is true that this does appear in some of our reports and that it has been upheld in some Community legislation, but more in connection with the environment than with health.
Hr. formand, til sidst endnu en bemærkning.
My second remark has to do with the clash between economic considerations and considerations of health.
Jeg har ikke kunnet optage retsudvalgets ændringsforslag i min betænkning, fordi de forelå for sent, men nu, da jeg har gennemset disse ændringsforslag, mener jeg egentlig, at de er et helt fornuftigt supplement.
It is perfectly legitimate to bear economic considerations in mind, and it is not for me, exercising the office that I do, to take it upon myself to overlook that.
Hvis jeg har forstået retsudvalget rigtigt, støtter det tanken om en altomfattende konvention, men det mener nok, at der i mellemtiden naturligvis alligevel må ske meget, og det har indleveret en liste over det.
However, I also feel that, faced with a problem that is so important from the physical and human point of view, it is equally legitimate to bear in mind that a proposal such as this must not be undermined by mere economic considerations.
Jeg vil gerne have, at hr. Sieglerschmidt endnu en gang belyser det, og jeg tror ikke, der er noget som helst problem for udvalget om miljø- og sundhedsanliggender og forbrugerbeskyttelse med hensyn til at give plads for retsudvalgets ændringsforslag.
A balance must be found, and this is what we have tried to do. Taking a broad view of the entire matter, it seems to me perfectly fair to compare the cost of these measures, which admittedly will fall most directly on the under takings, with what the community will save in terms of social expenditure.
Sieglerschmidt (S), ordfører for udtalelsen fra retsudvalget. — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, forureningen af Nordsøen tiltager i et dramatisk omfang, og dette indre farvand — det er jo ikke noget ocean — Krærer derfor en særlig retlig ordning ror Nordsø-området og gør endog en effektiv ordning presserende.
An overall view of this kind must, it seems to me, be based on broader considerations than those which are normally taken into account.
Nu har vi her — det har ordføreren jo allerede henvist til — at gøre med en mangfoldighed af lovbestemmelser.
The workers' representatives wanted a lower limit than the one we proposed, while industry held out for a higher figure.
Jeg har i min betænkning givet en oversigt over forureningens art og omfang. Detaljerne kan De selv læse, men jeg vil dog her fremlægge nogle enkelte kendsgerninger og oplysninger for at give Dem et indtryk af dette problem.
We felt that, for the reasons I have just given and taking into account the economic implications, 85 dB provided a fair balance between the two points of view and was also a sound-level that is to be found in some of the regulations currently in force.
Det viser sig, at trods forbudsbestemmelser har plankton, fisk, fugle og havpattedyr i Nordsøen stadig væk et ret højt indhold af det meget farlige PCB.
We would argue therefore that the Commission proposal maintains a sound balance between the dangers and the social and economic considerations.
EF-landene dumper stadig omkring 62 mio tons opslæmmet jord, for det meste fra Nordsø-havnene, i havet, og karakteren af dette kan man nok have sine rimelige tvivl om.
That much having been said, it seems to me that no one has questioned the basic premises of our proposal.
lapper hinanden, og hvis aftaleparter for en del går langt udover Fællesskabets område.
There are two further comments that I should like to make.
Vi har at gøre med fællesskabsret, med national ret.
I can think of no explanation for this amend ment.
Det ville have været lettere, hvis Nordsøen i det mindste var et indre forvand i Det europæiske Fællesskab, men det er den desværre kun delvis: Norge og Sverige omfattes også.
I should also point out that there is already a provision to this effect in the outline directive as well as in the first two specific directives on lead and asbestos respectively.
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(FR) Did I mention the word 'mandatory' ?
Jeg nævner det, retsudvalget især har fremhævet i sine forslag: at Oslo- og London-konventionerne for det første snarest muligt ratificeres af de medlemsstater, der endnu ikke har gjort det.
I am grateful to the House for this mark of trust, but this seems to me impracticable, because the Commis sion will not be able to check on working conditions in the Member States, and it should not try to do so.
Anvendelsen skal koordineres, og et vigtigt middel dertil ville — det står ikke udtrykkeligt i forslagene, men er retsudvalgets mening — i sig selv være, at hele Fællesskabet tiltrådte disse aftaler.
Our role is to promote, by means of an exchange of information and experience and possibly of staff, a certain conformity in practices followed.
Retsudvalget mener imidlertid, at disse vanskeligheder ikke skulle være uovervindelige, at det ligesom ved en havretskonvention ville være hensigtsmæssigt at gå denne vej.
President. — The next item is the report by Mrs Maij-Weggen, on behalf of the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection, on pollution of the North Sea (Doc. 1-1173/83).
Muntingh (S). — (NL) Hr. formand, fru Maij-Weggen sagde netop, at udvalget om miljø- og sundhedsanliggender og forbrugerbeskyttelse har valgt en Nordsøkonvention.
Mrs Maij-Weggen (PPE), rapporteur. — (NL) Mr President, pollution of the North Sea is a subject which has already been debated several times in this Parliament.
Vi vil undersøge, om det er muligt, og jeg bestrider derfor fra Maij-Weggens udtalelse her om, at udvalget om miljø- og sundhedsanligender og forbrugerbeskyttelse har valgt en Nordsøkonvention.
The aim of this report is to give an overall view of the total problem. The Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection realized that this was no small task, and one which would require some time.
Hun har også sagt det i den nederlandske presse, og det er urigtigt!
We have been studying the subject for something like two years.
Min gruppe ønsker det heller ikke i øjeblikket.
We have brought in the experts concerned and five times extensively discussed the North Sea question in the parliamentary committee.
Vi har i en beslutning anmodet Kommissionen om at udarbejde den, for det kan udmærket være, at en Nordsø-konvention er noget godt, men det kan også være, at den ikke er noget godt.
The result is a comprehensive report with, I hope, politically balanced and acceptable proposals in the resolution.
Spørgsmålet er ærligt ment.
Am I not right in saying that there is actually no Member State which has a mandatory 85 decibels ?
Jeg vil først se de hårde kendsgerninger, før vi som udvalg siger, om vi ønsker en Nordsøkonvention, og fra Maij-Weggen må ikke fordreje kendsgerningerne, således som disse er vedtaget i udvalget om miljø- og sundhedsanliggender og forbrugerbeskyttelse.
Secondly, he refers to the table in his own proposal on page 3, which he said came from 'a British organization.'
Det protesterer jeg imod.
It does not say that in the actual proposal.
For det tredje er der den omformulerede, reviderede og udvidede aftale om samarbejde om bekæmpelse af forurening af Nordsøen med olie og andre skadelige stoffer.
He also stated that he had looked for something between what the workers wanted and what the employers wanted.
Også denne aftale bør snarest ratificeres af Det europæiske Fællesskabs medlemsstater — selvfølgelig også af de øvrige kontraherende stater.
Surely the important point is that you accept what authoritative medical and scientific expertise wants.
Det er et yderligere krav. Denne aftale er i sin reviderede udgave først blevet undertegnet i september sidste år; den er et fremskridt og bør også realiseres gennem ratificering.
My under standing is that that tends to be around 90, and indeed the British organization he refers to has revised this table since it was published in the Commission proposal.
Vi har i to år kæmpet med denne betænkning i udvalget om miljø- og sundhedsanliggender og forbrugerbeskyttelse.
Mr Sherlock (ED), rapporteur. — There is a different table in my report, Mr Commissioner.
Vi har haft Pickaver-affæren.
You might care to read that one too.
Vi har ærgret os grundigt over behandlingen af denne betænkning, og nu ligger beslutningen her så.
In the resolution, we have mainly focused on the legislation to combat pollution of the North Sea.
Så meget desto værre er det, at vi anser denne beslutning for at være svag og vag.
Our inquiry has shown that there are many laws to protect the North Sea.
Det er en beslutning, der har form og kaliber som »Nordsøen er forurenet«, »det og det er problemet«, og i den forbindelse fremsætter man så tanken om, at problemet løses, men sådan går det ikke.
We have listed 17 national laws, 11 European directives and 13 international conventions applicable to the North Sea, and I would not swear to it that we have not forgotten a few.
For det fjerde udarbejdede Kommissionen jo i 1976 forslaget til direktiv om en koordineret anvendelse af de internationale aftaler. Man er — som bekendt — ikke kommet igennem med det i Rådet, og vi håber, at Kommissionen nu snarest fremlægger det reviderede forslag til direktiv på dette område, idet der tages hensyn til beslutningen fra 1976 og beslutningen i dag, så at vi kan komme videre.
We can let ourselves be impressed by all this national, Community and international legislation, but you must under stand that such a multiplicity of legislation policy, since the number of gaps within these laws and also the gaps between them are so large that it is no wonder that even legal dumping and disposal are commonly practised.
Muntingh som en mulighed, også som en reel mulighed, som det f.eks. bekræftes af hr. Sieglerschmidt. Jeg ville gerne her gøre dette klart.
I would like Mr Sieglerschmidt to explain this once again, and I do not think we shall have any problem in the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection in finding room for the Legal Affairs Committee's amendments.
Heller ikke punkt I er helt rigtigt.
In my report I have given a general view of the nature and extent of the pollution.
Det er f.eks. ikke sådan, at landene ikke har gjort noget.
You can read the details for yourselves, but I just want to give you a few facts and figures so that you may have some idea of the problem.
De har absolut gjort noget. Det kommer bare slet ikke frem.
In spite of regulations banning their use, plankton, fish, birds and marine mammals in the North Sea still contain large amounts of the extremely dangerous PCP.
Der er således en række modsigelser og usandheder i denne beslutning, som vi ikke kan være alt for glade for.
We also established that each year the North Sea States as a whole together discharged into the North Sea from dumping vessels some 7 million tonnes of inorganic chemicals mixed with organic wastes.
Det må jeg korrigere, for det første fordi et af de tre hovedafsnit i betænkningen helt og holdent drejer sig om den kemiske forurening, og for det andet fordi to vigtige punkter i betænkningen også helt og holdent er koncentreret om den kemiske forurening.
The Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection has considered how best to tackle the chaotic legislation for the North Sea and how to fill in the gaps they leave. There are two ways of looking at this, which are perhaps complementary rather than conflicting.
Der nævnes endog bogstaveligt en lang række kemiske stoffer — jeg tænker på cadmium og bly, og jeg kan opregne endnu flere.
You can try quite systematically to plug the gaps and harmonize the laws ; alternatively — and this idea attracted more interest in the parliamentary committee — you can aim at an allembracing legislation and try to cover the whole field through a kind of global European framework regulation. tion.
Derfor endnu en gang: jeg vil ikke gå ind på de personlige angreb, men jeg mener, at det var godt lige her at korrigere en række faktiske usandheder.
As draftsman of the opinion of the Legal Affairs Committee, I must point out that my committee has not discussed the question whether there is any point in aiming at such an overall settlement as the responsible committee has done.
Hr. formand, jeg håber, at De vil spare mig for yderligere angreb fra hr. Muntinghs side, for jeg gentager; det bliver en smule folklore, og det synes jeg er under Parlamentets værdighed.
The committee opted for the latter idea with a large majority. This could be linked with an initiative taken by the Commission in 1979 in one fell swoop to bring a large number of substances — 129 chemical substances if my memory serves me right — under one European framework regulation ; it did not succeed with that proposal, but perhaps the climate of opinion has changed sufficiently for it now to be acceptable.
Muntingh (S). — (NL) Hr. formand, jeg har ikke rettet noget personligt angreb mod fru Maij-Weggen.
The goal set forth in this report is not necessarily negated by trying at first to take a few smaller steps that might be important.
Jeg har kun angrebet betænkningen. Det var dét første.
I will briefly enumerate the main points contained in the Legal Affairs Commit tee's amendments.
Hr. formand, vor vigtigste kritik er imidlertid, at beslutningen helt forbigår problemet om forureningen af havet med kemikalier, et problem som måske nok er alvorligere end problemet om olieforureningen af havet.
Mr President, we know that the Commission is making preparations for a special conference on North Sea pollution.
Jeg har stillet et ændringsforslag herom.
If I am correctly informed, it will take place in Bremen in the autumn.
Selv følgelig finder jeg det i punkt 4, litra i) anførte om kerneenergi alt for svagt.
It is our hope that the data and suggestions contained in this report and in this resolution will be well to the fore in the preparation of this conference.
Kernekraftværker skal ikke bare sådan forbedres.
First, the Oslo and London Conventions should be ratified as soon as possible by those Member States who have not yet done so.
De skal lukkes.
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Hvorfor må Nordsøen ikke forurenes med alskens ting, som forbrændes på skibe, og med dumpninger fra skibe, og hvorfor må Atlanterhavet godt forurenes?
Thirdly, there is the newly revised and extended Agreement for cooperation in dealing with pollution of the North Sea by oil and other noxious substances.
For det andet sagde jeg, at fru Maij-Weggen citerede forkert.
She even said this in the Dutch press and it is just not true !
Vi har anmodet om en undersøgelse af mulighederne for en miljøkonvention.
At the moment there are any number of treaties on the North Sea and they are not being implemented.
Det har jeg sagt, og sådan vil jeg støtte det.
If to this we add still another, will this improve matters ?
Men socialister er nu engang bekendt for, at de vil beskytte de svagere; altså vil vi i dette tilfælde også kun gøre, hvad der forekommer os rigtigt, og vi vil, såfremt vore ændringsforslag vedtages, stemme for denne beslutning.
For two years now we have been wrestling with this report in the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection.
I modsat fald er det os ikke muligt at afgive en positiv stemme.
We have had the Pickaver case. We have been thoroughly annoyed at the ways this report has been handled, and now we have the resolution.
Til sidst, 'hr. formand, har jeg ikke talt om, at kemikalieforureningen, som jeg savnede omtalt, ikke skulle forekomme i fru Maij-Weggens betænkning.
Finally, I want to mention briefly that we call for a code of conduct for oil-tankers laying down, amongst other things, compulsory pilotage for these vessels.
Jeg sagde, at den ikke forekom i beslutningen, for jeg talte om beslutningen, og jeg anser beslutningen for svag.
What we have in this resolution is quite unsatisfactory.
Jeg har kun sagt, at jeg anser beslutningen for at være vag og svag , og jeg holdt det strengt sagligt. Derfor afviser jeg også dette angreb fra fra Maij-Weggen, som ligner folklore en smule.
Take, for example, recital F. It is somewhat inconsistent with recital H. This in turn is inconsistent with recital A. Recital I is not altogether sound either.
Maij-Weggen (PPE), ordfører. — (NL) Ja, hr. formand, jeg skal ikke reagere på de personlige angreb — en smule folkloristiske — fra hr. Muntingh på mig; jeg synes, at jeg i den forbindelse bedre kan tage det lidt fra oven.
I hope that the House will adopt the amendments submitted by the Legal Affairs Committee, and particularly that the new Parliament, on the basis of the memorandum called for in the motion for a resolution, will follow the example consistently set by this Parliament and shoulder its responsibility as a pace maker on the road to environmental protection and combating marine pollution, particularly pollution of the North Sea.
Hr. Muntingh sagde, at tanken om en konvention ikke skulle have været et valg for miljøudvalget.
We have therefore tabled amendments bringing in the instrument known as 'environmental impact statement', which in our opinion is a more effective means of achieving our object.
Måske må jeg erindre om, at i min første udgave af betænkningen var denne tanke om en konvention ikke taget med. Men derefter er der kommet beslutninger, bl.a. af fru Seibel-Emmerling, hvori tanken fremføres.
Our chief criticism, however, Mr President, is that the resolution wholly disregards the problem of the pollution of the sea with chemicals, a problem which is perhaps more serious than pollution of the sea with oil.
Schleicher (PPE). — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, det var fru Maij-Weggen, der meget hurtigt efter det første direkte valg bragte forureningen af Norsøen som et problem på tale i vor gruppe.
Mr Muntingh (S). — (NL) Mr President, Mrs Maij-Weggen said a moment ago that the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection had opted for a North Sea convention. That is not so.
Hun har nu i sin betænkning meget udførligt beskrevet den tiltagende forurening.
Paragraph 1 says, and I quote : 'Calls on the Commission, in preparation for the forthcoming Conference on the North Sea, to study whether ...'
Men betænkningen indeholder også talrige krav og forslag, hvorved Nordsøens tilstand i det mindste på længere sigt skal forbedres.
This does not mean that the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection has already decided that there should be a North Sea convention.
Af afgørende betydning er det imidlertid, at Kommissionen og Rådet hurtigst muligt
We wish to consider whether it is feasible, and I therefore contest the statement by Mrs Maij-Weggen that the Committee on the Environment,
Schleicher bliver enige med de tilgrænsende stater om de nødvendige foranstaltninger og handler.
Muntingh dumped overboard ? And what makes it right for the Atlantic Ocean to be polluted ?
Det har virkelig intet at gøre med forurening af Nordsøen.
President. — Mrs Maij-Weggen, you asked for the floor.
Ej hellen begrænsning af militære aktiviteter i vadehavet.
Do you want to speak in your capacity as rapporteur or is it to make a personal statement ?
Ikke desto mindre er den generelle linje i betænkningen velkommen.
I would end by saying that in no way was I making a personal attack on Mrs Maij-Weggen.
Den må vi standse, mens vi tillader handel og økonomi at fortsætte som normalt.
I therefore refute this attack by Mrs Maij-Weggen, which is quite unfounded.
I de seneste dage har man i vore aviser igen kunnet læse store overskrifter som : »Efter skovdøden havfuglene«, og det er understreget, at foruden miljøskaderne spiller også atmosfæriske påvirkninger ind.
President. — Mr Muntingh, you may be sure that what you say will be recorded in the Report of Proceedings of this sitting.
Hertil kommer, at de fugle, der allerede er svækkede, i højere grad er udsat for infektionssygdomme, og at det dermed kan resultere i en dyrekatastrofe.
Mrs Schleicher (PPE). — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, it was Mrs Maij-Weggen who, shortly after the first direct elections, raised in our group the problem of pollution of the North Sea.
Her skal der straks træffes beslutninger.
She has now given in her report an exhaustive account of the progress made by this pollution.
Vi håber, at der på den europæiske Nordsø-konference, som Forbundsrepublikken Tyskland har ansvaret for, vil blive udarbejdet nogle gode forslag.
At the same time, her report contains numerous demands and suggestions for improving the state of the North Sea, at least in the long term.
Jürgens (L). — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, først vil jeg gerne over for ordføreren udtale min påskønnelse af hendes betænkning.
The second factual inaccuracy occurred, Mr President, when Mr Muntingh said that the report dealt only with oil pollution and not with chemical pollution.
Hun har beskæftiget sig meget indgående med problemet forurening af Nordsøen.
I must put that right. In the first place, one of the three chapters of the report deals wholly with chemical pollution and, secondly, two important paragraphs in the resolution are concerned entirely with chemical pollution.
Forureningen af det åbne hav, af floderne, af kystområderne er et af de største problemer, der findes i det nordlige Europa.
Indeed, a large number of chemical substances — notably cadmium and lead, but I could name a few more — are named quite specifically.
Havmiljøet tilføjes stor skade, og selv om vi har hørt, at der findes en række nationale love, kan der dog deri findes mange huller og overlapninger.
In the last few days, headlines have reappeared in our newspapers such as, 'After the forests, it is the seabirds' turn', and it was stresed that not only damage to the environment but also atmoshperic conditions can exert an influence.
At udvikle og harmonisere en lovgivning mod forurening af Nordsøen samt anvendelige centrale konventioner er det afgørende i denne drøftelse.
Not only that, the birds, already in a weak condition, are exposed to infectious diseases, and this was how the disaster occurred.
Provan (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, det er mig en stor glæde at deltage i denne debat i aften, for jeg er glad for på min gruppes vegne at hilse fru Maij-Weggens betænkning velkommen.
I repeat that I did not want to go into the personal attacks, but I thought it was right to correct a number of factual inaccuracies.
Jeg synes, hun har lagt et stort arbejde i den, og hvis nogen gør sig den umage at læse begrundelsen, tror jeg, de vil lære en del om de problemer, vi står overfor.
I hope, Mr President, that you will spare me further attacks from Mr Muntingh, since they are not to be taken seriously and bring this Parliament into disrepute.
Hvem andre end Det europæiske Fællesskab og dets institutioner skulle tage initiativet og udvikle og påbegynde de særlige aktiviteter?
The central point of this discussion is the need for developing and harmonizing laws on the pollution of the North Sea, extending right up to prac ticable central agreements.
Alle kyststaterne skal hurtigst muligt mødes, og jeg mener ikke som hr. Muntingh, at en Nordsøkonference ikke er nogen god ting.
Mr Provan (ED). — Mr President, it gives me great pleasure to take part in this debate tonight, because I am glad to welcome, on behalf of my group, the report of Mrs Maij-Weggen.
Jeg mener ikke, det kan blive værre, end det er for øjeblikket.
I think they will learn a great deal about some of the problems that we have to face.
Mit land i almindelighed og min valgkreds i Nordøstskotland i særdeleshed er meget afhængige af Nordsøen.
My country, and my constituency of North-East Scotland in particular, depend greatly on the North Sea.
50 % af Det forenede Kongeriges fiskerflåde findes her ligesom Europas oliehovedstad, Aberdeen.
I have 50% of the UK fishing-f leet and I also have the oil capital of Europe in Aberdeen.