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Hr. formand, De har truffet en afgørelse på en måde, som jeg bedst kan beskrive ved at citere F.E. Smith, Earl of Birkenhead : »Andre har måske ved et tilfælde været uforskammet, jeg er nu uforskammet med vil je«.
Mr Nordmann (L). — (FR) Mr President, I must say that I am extremely embarrassed since, apart from the — to say the least — doubtful vote which you tried to obtain from the House on the prolongation of a debate on a text which had been referred back to com-
Formanden. — Hr. Nord, jeg ved at påskønne Deres store erfaring og Deres råd.
Mr von der Vring (S). — (DE) Mr President, accord ing to the agenda there is a joint debate on three subjects.
På grundlag af den tekst, som jeg har på mit eget sprog, har jeg — det holder jeg fast ved — forholdt mig korrekt. Jeg ville være
Anyone who has entered his name on the list of speakers may take part in this debate.
Formanden det vi gør nu, er at spilde tiden på fuldkommen uvæsentlige sager!
Nordmann make absolutely sure that this is the case, the Commission would welcome corresponding requests being made under Rule 85(4).
taknemmelig, om De ville støtte mig i forslaget om, at vi overlader det til vore kolleger i udvalget for for retningsordenen og for andragender at finde ud af, hvordan artikel 85, stk. 3 skal udlægges.
However, since you wish to make this debate all-embracing, it seems perfectly possible to request a quorum now and at any time during the debate for certain of the texts which are still on the agenda.
Formanden. — Hr. Muntingh, jeg konstaterer, at De res indlæg egentlig er i overensstemmelse med det, jeg sagde her for nogle minutter siden, dvs. at man bør gå i gang med at diskutere de saglige emner.
Thirdly, in the present circumstances the Council of Ministers will not be able to take a decision on 6 December, but I assume that it will debate the matter on that date.
Det vil virkelig være fornuftigt, om vi langt om længe påbegynder behandlingen af de vigtige emner, og hvis De holdt op med ustandselig at komme med indlæg til forretningsordenen.
It would be of assistance to the Council in its debate to know what currents of opinion and views are expressed in this House.
Vi har stemt om vor kollega Bombards forslag til beslutning, efter at et af medlemmerne havde udtalt sig for og et imod forslaget. Parlamentet tog stilling til sagen: Det be sluttede at henvise denne betænkning til fornyet ud valgsbehandling.
In fact, Rule 71 of the Rules of Procedure states that it is possible to request that it be ascertained whether a quorum is present before a vote, but it does not state what the limits of this request are.
Det vil sige, at de, som havde stemt om en proceduremæssig debat, er gået igen, nogle til deres kontorer og andre til et udvalgsmøde.
Thus, contrary to what you said with — to express myself euphemistically — a certain amount of.haste, we can make such a request at any time with regard to the texts which are still on the agenda.
Bloch von Blottnitz (ARC). - (DE) Jeg foreslår altså — jeg ved ikke, om forrretningsordenen nu foreskriver det eller ikke, men i det mindste burde sund for nuft sige os — at vi i første omgang stemmer om de to foreliggende beslutningsforslag.
Fourthly, the Commission assumes that in the present circumstances it will be necessary or at least desirable to call a further meeting of the Council between the European Parliament's December partsession and the New Year, so that the Council can take the decision which otherwise could not be taken until 6 December at the earliest.
Derefter kan vi så tærske langhalm, for andet er det ikke. Alle har deres mening — vi behøver ikke udveksle endnu flere me ninger, for det er jo alligevel blot et politisk spil.
I assume here that all the governments are aware of the risks of what might happen in the Community internal market as a result of failure to take decisions and the subsequent escalation of unilateral action, which in turn will cause damage going far beyond the economy.
Jeg anbefaler altså, at vi først vedtager de foreliggende betænkninger og beslutningsforslag.
President. — Mr Nordmann, in accordance with Rule 71(1) of the Rules of Procedure, Parliament may hold a debate at any time irrespective of the number of Members present.
Så kan vi fortsætte diskussionen.
This is what is happening now.
Ellers kommer der nemlig over hovedet ikke noget ud af det i dag, og det ville være mere end latterligt!
The vote comes later, and the question as to whether a quorum is present may be raised then.
Hr. formand, i mit land er det et gammelt ord, der siger, at man i lovtekster skal skelne mellem bogstav og ånd.
Mrs Schleicher asked me earlier to ask the Commission to state its views on this matter.
Formanden. — Fra kollega, også dét svarer nøjagtig til det, jeg længe har sagt, nemlig at vi burde gå i gang med forhandlingen.
President. — We shall begin with the debate on the three reports before us.
(Bifald fra højre)
Mr Peters (S). — (DE) This is a debate with reversed alignments and clever dodges.
Luster (PPE). - (DE) Hr. formand, De har i forretningsordensdebatten måttet lide den tort at blive skældt ud, hvilket jeg egentlig finder uhørt.
Mrs van Hemeldonck (S), rapporteur. — (ML) Mr President, I am sorry that the members of the public listening in the public gallery and the press present have had to bear witness once again to such a contentious debate.
Jeg kan slet ikke forstå, hvordan et så agtværdigt medlem som hr. Sherlock har kunnet lade sig forlede dertil.
However, I think that the hour and a quarter we have spent on points of order is a fair reflection of the strong interests which underlie this debate.
Muntingh (S). — (NL) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne bede om en oplysning, og for at gøre det tydeligt, vil jeg sige noget.
It is all about a debate without a vote being taken at the end of it, and it is a debate which you, Mr President, rightly initiated.
Desuden lytter jeg altid gerne til Hans Nord, især når han udlægger forretningsordenen.
Mr Narjes, Member of the Commission. — (DE) I should like to state the following in answer to Mrs Schleicher's question.
Jeg må imidlertid sige, at jeg i dette tilfælde udtrykkeligt ikke er af sam me opfattelse som han, men helt og holdent tilslutter mig Deres mening, hr. formand.
Firstly, it is the Commission's political objective to arrive as quickly as possible at decisions on the three motions for resolutions before us today.
En forhandling kan afholdes på ethvert tidspunkt, det siger den artikel jo, som De henviser til.
Urgent proce dure for the Sherlock report and resolution was also requested by the Commission.
Jeg mener altså, at vi ganske vist ikke skal »tærske langhalm« — som en kollega her udtrykker det; hun kommer åbenbart fra landbruget — men nu komme i gang med sagen.
Secondly, the Commission assumes that Parliament will now be able to take a decision in December. To
Sur regn og hele det problem, som vi taler om, forårsages ikke udelukkende af blyindholdet i benzin; alt i alt udgør det sandsynligvis en af de mindre årsager.
It is not just the interests of the powerful multinationals which are at stake here, but the Member States' national budgets, not to mention the continued exist ence of our natural environment, of mankind, even of agriculture in Europe.
Men, hr. formand, der foreligger endnu to andre sager, der efter min mening er mindst lige så vigtige, om ikke vigtigere.
In other words, the alter cations we have just witnessed are merely a reflection of the enormous interest there is in this issue.
Må jeg derfor nu bede Dem om, hr. formand, at afslutte denne sag.
I think therefore that, all in all, we should regard this as positive. tive.
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11.84 van Hemeldonck the effects of the others worse.
Formanden. — Under en forhandling, hr. kollega Huckfield, behøver vi ikke at konstatere beslutnings dygtighed det gøres; kun ved afstemninger.
I would like, before I present my report, to thank a number of people who have helped to give it a sound basis, firstly my colleague Hemmo Muntingh, who conducted the hearings on acid rain so competently.
von der Vring (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, ifølge dags ordenen har vi en forhandling under ét om tre punkter.
I have the feeling, Mr President, that we are dealing with an extremely well prepared technical dossier.
Enhver kan deltage i debatten, hvis vedkommende har anmodet om taletid.
We now know about acid rain virtually all that we need to know to take a number of basic decisions.
det selvfølgelig — kan vi brage den til det andet spørgsmål om udstødningsgas.
Further more, despite the confusion today in this House, the political climate is favourable.
Hvis De har til hen sigt at foretage en præcis fortolkning af forretningsordenen, vil jeg gerne henlede Deres opmærksomhed på artikel 85, stk. 3, ifølge hvilken der kun tillades en almindelig forhandling og ikke drøftelse af ændrings forslagene.
After the European elections and the election campaign, every Member of Parliament who has now been elected knows how concerned the European citizen is about the protection of the environment and more particularly about the problem of air pollution and acid rain.
Formanden. — Hr. kollega, jeg har storsindet overhørt Deres fornærmelse af formanden.
The problem of nitrogen dioxide in particular con cerns not only the protection of the health of man and animals, but also the protection of the environment and, even more, of our cultural heritage.
Hvorfor har vi brag for en generel forhandling, og hvad drejer det sig om i forbindelse med dette punkt på dagsordenen: vi er her ikke for at uddybe europæisk nationalisme, men for at nedbryde fordomme og for at tydeliggøre — også i mit land — hvilke ind vendinger der består i de respektive lande, når man forkaster forslag.
I would like to know that the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection intends to tighten up the standards laid down by the European Commission in my special field, nitrogen dioxide, since among other things the Parliament working party has more recent scientific information, including information on health.
Netop det er vigtigt; det er ikke afstemningen, der er det afgørende.
It is quite clear that nitrogen dioxide can be carcinogenic.
Det må klart fremgå, at der her er tale om saglige argumenter og ikke én nations kamp mod en anden.
It is clear that it always occurs in combination with other air pollutants and that as a result it is important to set the threshold values as low as possible.
Det er vor opgave at nedbryde alle nationalistiske reaktioner og fordomme.
Our proposal is therefore to establish much lower threshold values than were set by the Commission.
(Bifald fra midten og fra venstre)
A number of political statements have been made.
Huckfield (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, først og frem mest vil jeg gerne udtrykke håbet om, at De ikke vil være alt for streng med hensyn til bemærkninger til forretningsordenen, fordi mange af os føler, at vi nu befinder os i ingenmandsland.
The Convention on transboundary air pollution has, it is true, not covered everything and, nitrogen dioxide for instance is not mentioned, but on the other hand the Environmental Council held in June — immediately after the European elections — was well aware of the political pressure from the European people, and reached a political agreement at the Stuttgart Summit on environmental affairs.
Naturligvis er det, der er sket i eftermiddag, i mange kammeraters øjne uden fortilfælde.
The EEC also signed a protocol to the Convention at the end of September in Geneva, on the longterm financing of the programme for cooperation in the field of control and evaluation of long-range air pollution in Europe.
Jeg må sige, at jeg i dette proceduremæssige ingenmandsland absolut nærer stor beundring for hr. Sherlocks bestræbelser på at bring dette sted i miskredit.
In other words, we have both a consensus of public opinion and what is really a very favourable political climate.
Jeg kan kun ønske, at han havde gjort det i et positivt og ikke i et negativt øjemed, og uanset hvad der sker ved slutningen af denne forhandling og andre forhandlinger med hensyn til folk, der ligesom jeg irettesættes, håber jeg, at han også vil blive irettesat. sat.
It should therefore be possible for the Council of Environment Ministers which meets in December, to give a clear indication of precisely what we are aiming for.
Hr. formand, må jeg fremsætte min hovedbemærkning til forretningsordenen?
We would also like to see a longterm target, in other words gradual reduction each year in the limit values to a minimal value.
Sir James Scott-Hopkins (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg har nu været medlem af dette Parlament i 12 år, og jeg beklager i høj grad at måtte være vidne til, at Parlamentet opfører sig på denne måde.
We are dubious about the measurement conditions and the circumstances under which the measurements will take place.
Efter min mening har det, der er sket i de sidste tre kvarter, ikke været godt for vort ry og ej heller for den europæiske enheds ry.
The siting of measurement stations is particularly important.
Og dette beklager jeg dybt. Om det er Deres skyld, eller om det er en andens skyld, vil jeg ikke tage stilling til.
They could be put in the city park and thus cause less prob lems than they would in underpasses beneath any of the major European cities.
I alle tilfælde har det bragt dette Parlament i miskredit — det kan der vist ikke være nogen tvivl om.
This is why we are pressing for a regulation governing the siting of measurement stations.
Det jeg håber nu vil ske — og jo hurtigere, jo bedre — er, at vi fortsætter med forhandlingen om de to betænkninger, som er på dagsordenen, og at vi går videre til dem så hurtigt som muligt.
We would also like to see an improvement in methods of analysis and sampling, because discrepancies in measurement need to be prevented.
Jeg håber, at det, der er sket i de sidste tre kvarter, vil blive betragtet som et afsluttet kapitel, og at diskussionen vil ophøre.
Measurements must be taken frequently to find an average, taking into account the peaks.
Huckfield (S). — (EN) Nu, hvor vi ved afstemning har besluttet at henvise forslagene til beslutning og afstemningerne til fornyet udvalgsbehandling, vil jeg faktisk gerne vide, om vi nu skal have en almindelig forhandling, og hvad den almindelige forhandling skal være om, fordi så vidt jeg kan se, er det sådan, at ligegyldigt hvad vi siger, bare vi påstår, at det er kor rekt, så blivet det korrekt?
I think it is rather unfortunate that we must limit the debate, because it is clear that a debate on air pollution should be placed in a broader context.
Vi har rent faktisk en situation, hvor vi, når vi står op og fremkommer med et indlæg, kan hævde, at det, vi siger, på en eller anden måde vedrører den almindelige forhandling, som vi formodes at have.
Only in the laboratory is it possible to study the specific effects of lead, sulphur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide in the air.
Prout (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg spørger mig selv, om vi ikke her i Parlamentet burde have en regel, der siger, at enhver henvisning til nationalitet skal betragtes som en uparlamentarisk bemærkning?
In reality, lead, sulphur dioxide, suspended particles, the emission from large industrial furnaces and exhaust fumes occur in combination, and not separately.
Jeg håber, at De kan hjælpe mig med dette spørgsmål, hr. formand.
People are naturally going to live in places where cars are driven.
Hvis vi skal have en almindelig forhandling, og vi allerede har henvist emnet for den almindelige forhandling til fornyet udvalgsbehandling, hvad er det så, vi formodes at tale om?
They use electricity, and so there are large industrial furnaces and sulphur dioxide is found everywhere where there is combustion.
Jeg ønsker at fremsætte to bemærkninger til forret ningsordenen.
This already exists in other places, such as Japan, Los Angeles and some of the American states.
Den første har hr. Nord fremsat med større veltalenhed, end jeg kunne have gjort, og det glæder mig overordentligt, at den vil blive henvist til udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender.
It is a system which unposes a brake, forcing the citizens to realize that the accumulation of pollutants is reaching a critical level.
Den anden drejer sig om forholdet mellem artikel 82, stk. 1, og artikel 85, stk. 3. I den første sætning af
It would be a good idea therefore to have a combined consultation, in the Council as well, and to take all these factors into account.
Forresten, har vi på dette tidspunkt i denne sal et beslutningsdygtigt flertal?
Mr President, I was also the draftsman of the opinion of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy and perhaps I could say a word about that, so that I don't have to speak again.
Prout artikel 85, stk. 3, står der: »En afgørelse... vedtages af Parlamentet på forslag af formanden efter afstemning uden forhandling«.
In modern-day speech your might describe the European Parliament as a promoter of policies on the protection of the environment in Europe.
Det spørgsmål, jeg ønsker at stille, er, om »uden forhandling« udelukker artikel 82, stk. 1 ? Jeg ville være Dem taknemmelig, om De også ville henvise dette spørgsmål til udvalget for for retningsorden og for andragender.
Of course that sounds much too non chalant in the light of the serious problems, conjuring up pictures of happy leisure time in healthy and probably green woods.
Jeg er taknemmelig for, at vi har denne mulighed.
I am thinking mainly of the electricity generating stations in Poland and Czechoslovakia and the large industrial furnaces in East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc., in particular in the steel industry.
For det andet: Kommissionen går ud fra, at denne høje Forsamling vil være i stand til at træffe en afgørelse i december.
It is indeed a great hour for this Parliament today to be deliberating on such important matters for our peo ple, which the Commission has presented to us in the form of three items of draft legislation.
Med henblik på at dette under alle omstændigheder sker, ville Kommissionen bifalde det, om der blev stillet forslag i den retning i overensstemmelse med artikel 85, stk. 4.
Without the opinion of Parliament the Council of Ministers for the Environment, meeting on 6 December, cannot make a decision.
For det tredje: i den nuværende situation vil Ministerrådet på sit møde den 6. december ikke kunne træffe afgørelse, men jeg går ud fra, at det vil drøfte spørgsmålet den 6. december.
The draft directive on the limitation of emissions of pollutants into the air from large combustion plants is of paramount importance within the overall series of proposals.
Det ville være af interesse for Ministerrådet og dets diskussion at vide, hvilke strømninger og opfattelser der findes i denne høje Forsamling.
It is the first implementing directive of the outline directive for the control of air pollution from industrial plants, which was approved by the Council of Ministers in March.
Forretningsordenens artikel 71 fastslår nemlig, at det er muligt at anmode om fastslåelse af Parlamentets beslutningsdygtighed før en afstemning, men den in deholder ikke nærmere retningslinjer om muligheden for denne anmodning.
For the first time limits have been set on permissible emissions of sulphur dioxide, dust and nitrogen oxide for plants with a cap acity in excess of 50 megawatts which are driven by the fossil fuels coal, lignite, peat, oil and gas. The regulations apply to all power stations and industrial plants.
Formanden. — Ærede kolleger, Parlamentet kan i henhold til artikel 71, stk. 1 i forretningsordenen altid forhandle uanset antallet af de tilstedeværende.
What constitutes a barrier for 270 million peo ple in the EEC poses no problems for air pollutants — distressingly so!
Så kan man anmode om at få fastslået, om det fornødne antal medlemmer er til stede.
If any more proof were needed of the need to act in Europe it is the fact that the Members of this House have been taking one initiative after another on the problems of air pollution for five years now.
For det fjerde: Kommissionen går ud fra, at det i lyset af de nuværende omstændigheder vil være nødvendigt eller i alle tilfælde ønskværdigt at beramme endnu et møde i Ministerrådet mellem Europa-Parlamentets december-møde og det nye år, idet Mi nisterrådet kan træffe den afgørelse, der ellers tidligst ville have været mulig den 6. december.
The objective is a global reduction in current levels of three air pollutants by a certain percentage by the year 1995. That means, however, that a country which builds no new plants by 1995 has potentially until 1994 to adopt measures for its old plants.
Fru Schleicher opfordrede mig før til at bede Kom missionen udtale sig om denne problematik. Hr. komissær Narjes har sagt ja til dette.
The result would be that all the old heavy-pollution plants would remain in operation for another 10 years.
Formanden. — Vi på begynder nu forhandlingen om de tre bebudede betænkninger. Alle ved, at der i dag kun stemmes om betænkningen af van Hemeldonck og betænkningen af Schleicher.
Mr Muntingh's comprehensive own-initiative report on acid rain was compiled in response to my Group's motion for a resolution in 1982 and was subsequently discussed at great length in this House almost exactly one year ago.
Jeg giver nu ordet til de to ordførere for at bede dem forklare deres be tænkninger nærmere. Alle andre kolleger kan så få ordet inden for rammerne af forhandlingen.
Again on a proposal from my Group the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection conducted a hearing on the problems of air pollution in Brussels in April 1983, and questions and resolutions from all groups as well as reports on Commission submissions complete the large number of initiatives listed in the report.
Der er tale om en forhandling, uden efterfølgende afstemning, og denne forhandling har De, hr. for mand, med rette foranlediget.
A host of measures resulted which must be considered and understood as a whole.
Det er mit indtryk, at
This development refutes
Van Hemeldonck (S), ordfører. — (NL) Hr. formand, jeg håber blot, at de europæiske borgere, der sidder
The second area, over which we have no direct influence, concerns the Eastern Bloc countries.
Van Hemeldonck her i tilhørerlogerne, og at pressen, der hører på, nu ikke igen kommer til den konklusion, at dette har været en tumultagtig og rodet behandling. Jeg mener, at de fem kvarter, vi har bragt på procedurespørgsmål, egentlig på glimrende vis afspejler de enorme interesser, der ligger bag denne forhandling.
Schleicher occupy, a Member across there made an accusation that what has gone on in this unseemly session was a British operation of some kind, and I would like to dispute that most fully.
politisk enighed på Rådet i Stuttgart om miljøanliggender.
It was not Britain that requested this unseemly urgency.
Med andre ord, vi har både en samstemmende offentlig mening og i grunden et meget gunstigt politisk klima.
I wish for the benefit of those who read the account of this thing to refute totally that allegation.
Det burde nu være muligt at give Rådet af miljøministre, der samles i december, et tydeligt fingerpeg med hensyn til, i hvilken retning vi ønsker, afgørelserne skal gå.
It is unfounded, it is untrue, it is unworthy. If at the end of the day, Madam President, people come to think that the rest of us have been the victims of some kind of trick to cram something through this Parliament, well, people may have some sympathy with that point of view.
Jeg synes, det er en skam, at vi må begrænse forhandlingen, for det er tydeligt, at forhandlingen om luft forurening i granden skal foregå i brede rammer.
President. — Mr Pearce, I would inform you that, since it was a personal statement, you should have spoken at the end of this debate.
Virkningerne af bly i luften, af svovldioxid i luften, af nitrogendioxid kan kun undersøges hver for sig laboratorier.
pollution applies here. Negotiations within this frame work must be intensified and extended with the aim of spurring these countries into action, both in their own and our interest.