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For det andet har jeg det princip — og det er på det grundlag De skal vurdere mit indlæg — at jeg ikke vil vige uden om ved at lægge ansvaret over på Rådet og sige, at Kommissionen ville have klaret det meget bedre. Det ville være rart, men jeg mener samtidig, at det ville være illoyalt og farligt for det institutionelle system.
It has been considerably reduced, but I think that it is dishonest to talk about aid when you think that a large part of Lomé aid is basically an export subsidy for the surpluses provided by our magnificent EEC agricultural market.
Jeg er blevet stillet det spørgsmål, om tallet på 7 mia mon ville befæste, øge eller konsolidere konventionens og Fællesskabets troværdighed.
Mrs Dury (S). — (FR) Noone will be unduly surprised if I speak about two problems: the problem of refugees and the situation of Third World students in our countries.
Jeg tror person ligt, at hvis AVS-landene helt og holdent accepterede den pakke, som konventionen udgør, ville det gavne Fællesskabets troværdighed.
As regards refugees — and I appreciate why Mr Pisani was relatively vague — the Committee on Development and Cooperation has made very spe cific proposals seeking to deal with the problem of refugees as part of regional projects.
Men jeg må sige, at jeg ikke tror, tallet på 7 mia vil få AVS-landene til at acceptere det så villigt.
I should like to know what chance there is of this type of approach being adopted.
Jeg kan sige, at Kommissionen i sine første forslag angående beløbet nåede frem til et tal der lå over syv mia ECU, og at den havde baseret sine beregninger på en nøjagtig økonomisk nyvurdering, på den for værrede økonomi her og der på den snarlige tiltrædelse af to nye medlemslande og på et nyt vigtigt kapitel i konventionen, nemlig kampen mod ørkendannelse. se.
Furthermore, what guarantees are offered to Third World students, particularly those from ACP countries, so that they can continue to receive types of training which are unavailable in their countries and on which our industrialized countries pursued, until recently, liberal policies.
Kommissionen nåede frem til et tal på 8,5 mia, det er kendt af alle, så der er ingen grund til at fortie det. Rådet fastholdt et beløb på 7 mia.
Mr de Courcy Ling (ED). — Mr President, will the Commissioner try to define the minimum level of prosperity which is necessary in a developing country before private enterprise investment is appropriate?
Hr. Bersani bad Kommissionen om at vise mere mod.
He mentioned private enterprise in his admirable state ment.
Kære hr. Bersani, i løbet af forhandlingsugen i Bruxelles for et par dage siden, var jeg den eneste blandt alle deltagerne rundt om bordet, der ikke ud talte mig til pressen.
Would he not agree that private enterprise investment in countries as poor as, say, Tanzania, Chad or Niger hardly seems appropriate?
Jeg mener ikke, at man skal vise stædighed, mod og overbevisning udadtil, men deri mod inden for det institutionelle beslutningssystem som Fællesskabet har valgt. Jeg vil aldrig gå med til — og nu gentager jeg, hvad jeg sagde til at begynde med — en slags afpresning af Rådet ved at tage beslutninger, der bryder balancen mellem os.
Secondly, would he say whether there will be guarantees against the expropriation of European Community invest ments in the Convention and guarantees in favour of the remission of dividends by enterprises investing?
Valget stod mellem at gå efter behovet, det var det Kommissionen gjorde, eller gå efter de til rådighed stående midler som Rådet mente, og Rådet valgte alt så de 7 mia.
As far as the public is concerned, the state ment that the European Community is prepared to offer 7 000 million plus 1.1 million from Investment Bank funds remains an abstract number until you can demonstrate clearly — and I would ask you to do so — how much purchasing power was lost as a result of
Overbefolkningsproblemet er blevet rejst. Det er et problem, Parlamentet ofte har behandlet.
Mr Seligman (ED). — Would the Commissioner give us some interesting statistics?
Det er et omfangsrigt problem.
What percentage is represented by aid to other developing nations outside the ACP?
Det er et problem vi godt vil hjælpe med til at løse, hvis man beder os om det.
Thirdly, what is the aid by Member States outside Lomé to the developing world?
Kommissionen ønsker ikke at føre nogen aktiv poli tik på dette område i AVS-landene.
I was asked whether the Commission stood up for itself, or if the Commission was able to get the Council to budge on this.
lige økonomi, i betydningen de offentlige tjenesteydelsers økonomi, praktisk taget lig nul, og det er kun i dette tilfælde, at budgetaspektet kan hjælpe med til at styrke økonomien.
In this context is it also correct that the United Kingdom has threatened those ACP countries which also belong to the Commonwealth that if they keep on making additional demands for financial contributions, bilateral aid will immediately be reduced?
Jeg ønsker ikke at lægge pres på nogen som helst måde i denne sag.
Since each one asked on average three questions, you have 60 questions to choose from, Mr Pisani.
Man bad mig ligeledes nævne, hvilken tærskel der er fastsat for de private investeringer.
The Commission has its hand tied by the rule that the amount appropriated is not a subject for negotiation.
Jeg tror, der er adskillige fuldstændig forskellige indfaldsvinkler til dette problem, men de supplerer hinanden.
But within the institutional framework it is also entrusted with helping to formulate policies and to make proposals.
For det første eftersom industrialiseringen finder sted af sig selv kræver den en vis udviklingsgrad, som meget få af de lande, der er vore samtalepartnere har kunnet opnå.
Taking account of the ACP States' position, it is seeking a method of reaching agreement on the amount and on the wording as well.·
Personligt ville jeg ønske, hr. formand, at vi i de næste par måneder angående dette problem med for holdet mellem privat virksomhed og udvikling og forholdet mellem markedernes åbning og en økonomisk udviklingsbistand kunne få en virkelig debat, og det glæder mig derfor, at der kommer en betænkning på eget initiativ fra Parlamentet, sådan at vi kan forsøge at gå i dybden med et problem, der er yderst vanskeligt at tackle, og hvorom modsatte økonomis ke doktriner strides.
Mr Pannella asked whether I was satisfied with the way in which these negotiations are conducted, with the way in which all negotiations of this kind are con ducted, if I could say whether the negotiations between the ACP States and the Community were equal or unequal negotiations.
Men jeg er ligeledes overbevist om, at det er meningsløst i de mest uudviklede land at stille disse økonomiske teorier over for den private og offent lige sektor for alle disse lande har brug for hinanden. den.
But given this fundamental fact, which is a basic world fact, I believe that Lomé marks substantial progress compared to many bilateral aid arrangements and to many decisions taken by multilateral organizations.
Under disse omstændigheder mener vi, det er nødvendigt at blande de fordele som markedsaspektet har med de fordele som budgettet giver netop for at hjælpe dem med til lidt efter lidt at stå på egne ben økonomisk set.
To give a very precise answer to Mr Pannella's question: I would say that I am well aware — as an ordinary person and a citizen — that the day of equal negotiations is far off. But I am also quite aware that the European Economic Community has set up a system which is better than all others currently in operation throughout the world.
Jeg kan sige til fru Ewing, at fiskeri udgør en del af et særligt kapitel.
The Commission is charged with preparing the negotiations and with carrying them out, but it is the Council which has the final say.
Jeg var lige ved at glemme det, og eftersom jeg kender fru Ewing, er jeg sikker på, at jeg i en næste mødeperiode ville blive udsat for et par minutters voldsomt angreb.
When there is a ministerial meeting the Commission takes part, but only in an expert capacity.
Jeg vil godt henlede et vist antal parlamentarikeres opmærksomhed på følgende.
I was asked whether the figure of 7 000 million was likely to strengthen, increase or consolidate the credibility of the convention and of the Community.
I de mest udviklede lande — Japan, USA og de europæiske lande — repræsenterer den offentlige økonomi, dvs. den økonomi, der står bag eller er forbundet med de offentlige tjenesteydelser, omkring 50%.
I per sonally believe that clear-cut support by the ACP States for the package which will make up the convention would do much for the Community's credibility.
Takket være det, har vi veje; takket være det, har vi skoler; takket være det, har vi jernbaner; takket være det, har vi telefoner; takket være det er der et helt net af ordninger, der gør det muligt for private økonomiske interesser at koble sig ind på dette net.
And I have to say that I think the figure of 7 000 million will not produce the kind of ACP support I have just described.
I de fleste afrikanske lande, selv der hvor man har nationaliseret hele det økonomiske liv, er den offent
This would be easy, but I think it would be disloyal and dangerous for the institutional set-up.
Jeg vil godt takke Parlamentet for den måde, hvorpå det har udspurgt mig, og for dets ivrige spørgsmål, og takke det for den støtte som det globalt, jeg vil endda gå så vidt som at sige totalt, har givet Kommissionen i dennes behandling af udviklingsproblemet.
I can say that, in its initial proposals concerning the amount, the Commission had a figure above 7 000 million ECU, and that it based its calculations on an exact revaluation in monetary terms, and also took into account the decline of certain economies, the probable accession of two Member States and the inclusion of a new important section in the convention on the fight against desertification.
I tidligere år har vi haft debatter, der af og til var vanskelige, men vore følgeslutninger overlappede hinanden.
Dear Mr Bersani, during the week of negotiations in Brussels a few days ago, I was the only one among those sitting a round the table not to have made any press statements.
For at svare på visse spørgsmål, der blev stillet mig, kan jeg sige, at Parlamentets bidrag til den interne debat i
I prefer to believe that the Council and the Commission enjoy relations which should
Fællesskabet, som går forud for afslutningen af Lomé-konventionen, ikke bare er genstand for Kom missionens interesse men også for dens respekt.
In the countries of Africa, even where the whole econ omy has been nationalized, the public sector meaning the public utilities sector, is practically non-existent, and this is the only sector we can help to improve through the budget.
(Bifald) Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
The question of overpopulation has been broached.
knap 2 millioner, nu er antallet'steget til ca. 6 millioner.
This is a matter which Parliament has often dealt with.
Godt halvdelen af de 12 mio europæiske arbejdsløse tilhører kategorien langtidsledige.
It is a question on which the Commission refrains from having an active policy with regard to the ACP countries.
I EF-medlemsstaterne er det for tiden især Belgien, Nederlandene og Italien, der er hårdest ramt, men i de andre medlems stater ser det ikke meget bedre ud.
The problems of birth rate and population are too closely bound up not only with the biological reality, but also with the cultural reality and the beliefs of each people, for the Community to become involved here.
En bemærkelsesværdig præstation.
I refrain from applying any kind of pressure here.
Foruden de afslørende tal indeholder meddelelsen flere vigtige kendsgerninger. Jeg vil omtale 4 af dem:
With this in mind I have been asked the threshold above which private investment is possible.
Elliott (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, kommissionsmedlem Pisani gav nogle meget kortfattede og interessante informationer om datoerne for forhandlinger ne om afslutningen af den tredje Lomékonvention.
I believe that there are several quite different approaches to this matter, but they all complement one another.
Måske kan De sige mig, hvor megen lejlighed Parlamentet yderligere får til at komme med supplerende bidrag til disse endelige beslutninger i løbet af den korte tid, der er tilbage.
Firstly, for industrialization to take off on its own demands a degree of development which very few of the countries who are our talking partners have been able to achieve.
Flere af os fik først at vide for et par dage siden, at kommissionsmedlem Pisani ville komme med denne redegørelse her til morgen, og vi har faktisk ikke haft lejlighed til at fremsætte de spørgsmål, vi gerne ville komme med, i fuldt færdig form.
Isolated cases of industries being established on some site or other to take advantage of a natural resource, of manpower or of a market are possible; but industrialization limited to a few places is not very significant.
Jeg beder Dem fortælle os, hvilken yderligere mulighed der bliver for Parlamentet og dets udvalg for at komme med bidrag.
Thus I believe that we must provide simultaneous support for localized industrialization and for industrialization based on the kind of infrastructure which factories always need.
År sagen må findes i en alvorlig forsinkelse i over gangen fra traditionelle til moderne industrier;
I was asked several times about access for ACP products to the European market.
Formanden. — De får den første mulighed på torsdag under den aktuelle og uopsættelige debat, hvor der bl.a. er planlagt en fælles udtalelse om Lomé III.
To give an idea of the situation, let me tell you how one trade minister from an African country caricatures the European Economic Community: when you go to northern Europe to talk about North-South relations you are told: 'market access, not aid'.
Ved denne lejlighed kan der også fremsættes beslutningsforslag om dette emne.
When you discuss this in southern Europe you are told: 'aid, not market access'.
— endvidere viser det sig, at det ikke alene er de traditionelt tilbagestående grupper, såsom ufaglærte, indvandrere, handicappede, de unge og kvinder, der er langtidsarbejdsløse; over halvdelen af de langtidsledige findes blandt veluddannede mænd mellem 25 og 55 år. Det betyder, at også de relativt stærkest stående grupper på arbejdsmarkedet i tiltagende grad kommer ud for problemer; mer;
Mr President, I hope that in the coming months we will be able to have a real debate on the relationship between private enterprise and development, between opening up markets and development aid, and I would be delighted if an own-initiative report were to come from Parliament itself, so that we could try to study in depth a problem with is very difficult to get to grips with and over which opposing economic doctrines clash.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er for handling under et om følgende tre betænkninger:
I am convinced that it makes good sense for these economic theories to compete against one another in the advanced countries.
1-269/84-KOM(84) 234 endelig) om fremme af positiv særbehandling af kvinder
Some of them require figures and tables which I would be unable to give now.
Betænkning (dok 2-785/84) af Megahy for Udval get om sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse over forslag fra Kommissionen til Rådet (dok. 2-456/84-KOM(84) 379 endelig) til afgørelse om en særlig fælles skabsindsats til bekæmpelse af fattigdom
If we had set out to subject the economies of a certain number of ACP countries to market forces alone, we would now see that they have no market structures and no companies, and that to open them up to the market alone is simply to open them up to foreign companies.
Det gælder især de ældre, i nogle medlemslande registreres de ikke mere, når de har nået 55- eller 57-årsalderen.
So as not to take up any more of Parliament's time, I would like to thank you for the searching questions put to me.
De registreres som arbejdssøgende, ikke som ar bejdsløse, selvom de måske har været arbejdsløse i flere år.
I should just like to tell Mrs Ewing that a specific section is devoted to fisheries.
Medlemsstaterne ræsonnerer som så : de har aldrig arbejdet eller ikke arbejdet i flere år, de kan derfor ikke regnes til de arbejdsløse.
That is some thing I had almost forgotten, and knowing Mrs Ewing I would certainly come in for strong criticism during a future partsession.
Maij-Weggen (PPE), ordfører. — (NL) Hr. formand, med deltagelse og bekymring har vi gjort os bekendt med Kommissionens meddelelse om forværringen af langtidsarbejdsløsheden i EF-medlemsstaterne.
Under these circumstances it seems necessary to us to mix market resources with aid resources, so that they can gradually play just such a role in the economic field.
Meddelelsen giver et afslørende og bestyrtende billede af situationen.
During the past years we have been involved in debates which were sometimes difficult but our conclusions were the same.
— et fjerde vigtigt punkt i Kommissionens meddelelse er, at alle medlemsstater nu er gået i gang med aktioner, der har til formål at bekæmpe langtidsledigheden. Aktionerne er dog temmelig kaotiske, der er ingen indbyrdes sammenhæng, og resulta-
I would like to draw the attention of a number of Members to the fact that, in the most advanced countries — Japan, the USA, the countries of Europe — the public sector, i.e. the sector covering public utilities or linked to public utilities, makes up some 50%, which is why we have roads, schools, railways, telephones and a whole network of utilities which private enterprise makes use of.
Maij-Weggen sætte ydelsen til disse arbejdsløse må afvises, da dette fremmer passivitet og måneskinsarbejde.
Pisani the Lomé negotiations, not just as support but also as a duty.
terne er meget forskellige og ofte dårlige.
President. — The debate is closed.
Hr. formand, hvad er resultatet af disse kendsgerninger?
Whereas in 1980 there were barely 2 million longterm unemployed, this figure has now risen to around the 6 million mark.
Resultatet er en tiltagende forværring aflangtidsarbejdsløsheden til stor økonomisk og social skade for EØF.
Some 4 million European citizens have been out of work for over a year and some 2 million for more than two years.
Til den økonomiske skade skal medregnes, at
Thus, a good 50% of the 12 million persons unem ployed in Europe come under the longterm unem ployed category.
— vor økonomiske vækst må bøde med ca. 5%, for di den menneskelige energi og produktivitet ikke udnyttes;
Of the Member States of the Com munity, Belgium, the Netherlands and Italy are currently in the lead, but the other countries are not far behind.
— faglig dygtighed og erfaring går tabt, hvilket nødvendiggør kostbar videreuddannelse og om skoling;
Only Denmark — which I intend to deal with presently — has found ways of effectively combating longterm unemployment.
— de øgede udgifter til arbejdsløshedsunderstøttelse er allerede nu steget til 5 % af de nationale budget ter;
Only 5% of the unem ployed population in Denmark is in the longterm category and this is quite an achievement.
— de langtidslediges indtægter daler, hvilket fører til lavere forbrug i de nationale økonomier.
Mr Elliott (S). — Mr President, Commissioner Pisani gave some very brief and interesting information about the dates for negotiating the conclusion of the third Lomé Convention.
Her kan man tage Nederlandene som forbillede. Programmerne må garantere det europæiske ligebehandlingsprincip for mænd og kvinder og for nationale og vandrende arbejdstagere.
I wonder if you can advise me as to what further opportunity this Parliament will have for making some additional input to those final decisions in the brief time that remains.
Endvidere kunne Fællesskabet koordinere de nationale aktiviteter til fordel for de arbejdsløse, således at de mest effektive projekter, som det danske program, kunne prioriteres og tjene som forbillede for de andre medlemsstater.
Some of us only got to know a day or so ago that Commissioner Pisani was going to make this statement this morning, and we have not really had an opportunity to put forward in a full form the sort of points we would like to make.
Også Den europæiske Socialfond vil kunne spille en rolle ved finansiering af effektive, koordinerede programmer, men på betingelse af, at fonden bliver større.
I am asking your advice as to what further opportunity there will be for this Parliament and its committees to make some input.
Vi henviser til Rådets løfte om at fordoble Socialfonden i løbet af fem år. Ælig talt mærkede vi ikke noget til det ved de seneste budgetforhandlinger. ger.
In addition to these revealing figures, the Commission's communication contains other interesting facts, I should like to mention four of them.
Den sociale pris for langtidsledighed er den tiltagende fattigdom og store befolkningsgruppers isolation.
President. — The first opportunity will be on Thursday in the urgent debate, in which one of the items is to be a joint debate on Lomé III.
Til slut kunne EF tage initiativet til at indføre en garanteret social minimumsstøtte til fordel for lang tidsledige, der skal fastsættes på europæisk plan.
Firstly, it would appear that longterm unemployment is no longer confined to the traditionally backward areas of southern Europe, particularly in Greece and Italy.
Det vil kunne hjælpe til at bekæmpe mange økonomiske problemer — jeg tænker på den manglende efter spørgsel — og mange sociale problemer — og herved tænker jeg på fattigdommen.
Industrial centres in the north of Europe are also increasingly affected and the cause would appear to lie in a serious delay in changing over from traditional to modern industries.
Hr. formand, det er vort standpunkt i udvalget om sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse.
President. — The next item is the joint debate on the following three reports:
Udvalget om sociale anliggender og beskæftigelse støtter i store træk aktionsprogrammet; vi så dog ger ne, at resolution en blev behandlet som hastesag.
It would also appear that longterm unemployment is affecting sections of the population other than the traditionally vulnerable groups, such as unskilled and migrant workers, handicapped persons, young people and women.
Vi vil hellere tale om en kriseplan, en aktion, der må gennemføres prioritært og på kort sigt.
More than half of the longterm unem ployed are men with good formal qualifications between the ages of 25 and 55.
Desuden vil vi gerne præcisere og supplere de generelle retningslinjer. jer.
This means that the problems are increasingly affecting even those groups who are relatively strongly placed on the labour market. ket.
Vi beklager, at Rådet har anmodet Parlamentet om en så forhastet behandling.
the communication from the Commission to the Council (Doc.
Hr. rådsformand, hvorfor bliver disse sager ikke behandlet, de er mindst lige så vigtige som dem, vi har drøftet i dag.
2-776/84-COM(84)484 final) on action to combat longterm unemployment;
Med hensyn til medlemsstaternes foranstaltninger, synes vi, at medlemsstaterne må forpligte sig til at tilbyde de mennesker, som har været arbejdsløse i over tolv måneder, et program til videreuddannelse og omskoling eller en midlertidig beskæftigelse.
— report (2-788/84) drawn up by Mrs Van den Heuvel on behalf of the Committee on Women's Rights on the proposal from the Commission to the Council (Doc. l-269/84-COM(84)234 final) for a draft recommendation on the promotion of positive act ion for women;
Dan mark kan tages som forbillede.
— report (Doc.
Vi synes også, at langtidsledige, der følger sådanne uddannelsesprogrammer, eller som udfører samfunds opgaver, skal have et tillæg i den sociale ydelse. Den hidtidige praksis i visse medlemsstater med at ned
A third point which is directly related to the previous one concerns the updating of longterm unemploy ment statistics in the various Member States.
Den anden bemærkning.
For example, in some Member States persons are no longer registered after the age of 55 or 57.
Vi lægger meget stor vægt på en kriseplan for langtidsledige.
They are registered as 'seeking work' rather than 'unemployed' even though in some cases they have been without work for years.
Det, der er nødvendigt, er en strulturel løsning, og det betyder, at vi må kræve, at de europæiske medlemsstater må
2-456/84-COM(84)379 final) for a decision on specific Community action to combat poverty. erty.