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Hvis De ser Dem omkring, så har vi her 350 til 400 tomme stole, og det er ikke nok til alle dem, der lider under krænkelser af menneskerettighederne.
It is this: that I do hope, having listened to the speeches made in the Chamber over many hours, that honourable Members of all parties will speak in the same terms in their own countries, in their own consti tuencies, in their own parties at home as they have been speaking here.
Vi vil ikke være læremester for Dem, men: Hvis De vil intervenere for Sacharov her, tænk så også på de isolerede fængselafdelinger i Italien, i Forbundsrepublikken Tyskland; tænk på husbesætterae, som i Berlin blev smidt ud af kulturcentret »Kuckkuck«; tænk på husdyrofrene i Tyrkiet.
I have often been struck during the period of the last Parliament by the extent to which there is so often a very wide measure of agree ment within this Chamber regardless sometimes of party, regardless sometimes of nationality.
Hvis De også tænker på dem, så vil jeg sige : Okay, De er troværdig; vi kan sammen med Dem vedtage en sådan beslutning.
Yet, as the elections clearly showed, that wide measure of agree ment on priorities and on objectives that is felt in this Parliament and is indeed felt in the European institutions as a whole is not reflected in the domestic debates, is not reflected in the domestic public opinion. nion.
de Camaret. — (FR) Hr. formand, først og fremmest vil jeg for de europæiske højrepartiers gruppe frem komme med en præcisering.
Mr Sutra. — (FR) Mr President, just a few words to put a question to Commissioner Tugendhat.
Af hvilke mystiske årsager er dette beslutningsforslag sporløst forsvundet for derefter at dukke op i form af et ændringsforslag?
According to the Fontainebleau agreement the refund to the United Kingdom this year has been fixed by the Member States as a lump sum.
Jeg for moder, at dette er resultatet af en noget overdreven overholdelse af forretningsordenen.
Next year it is to be determined as a percentage of the Community budget and of our expenditure.
Os forekommer dette forslag blot at være en form for fortsættelse af den kolde krig, som om man her forfølger et bestemt formål, der ikke har noget med Sacharov at gøre. Vi har alle i de forløbne år oplevet, hvad der sker, når man ensidigt solidariserer sig med ofre for krænkelser af menneskerettighederne.
But in the long run, I think that this Parliament, the second directlyelected European Parliament, and indeed the other Community institutions during the coming five years will primarily be judged by their success in converting public opinion in our various Member States to the same views as those which are expressed so eloquently and on which agreement is so widespread within this Chamber and within the other European institutions.
Da disse mennesker så kunne rejse fra DDR ind i Forbundsrepublikken Tyskland — hvad skete der så?
President. — The debate is closed.
De blev droppet som varme kartofler, fordi de efter indtoget i det såkaldte gyldne Vesten fortsatte med deres systemkritiske holdning.
By refusing a supplementary budget this year and thus ensuring that 1984 expenditure will be transferred to 1985, the United Kingdom is clearly seeking to increase the 1985 budget and thereby raise the refund that it expects in 1985.
Eller lad os se, hvad der skete med Solidaritet i Polen.
The vote will be taken at the next voting time.
Selv de mest højreorienterede kristelige demokrater siger: Det er noget, der må støttes.
The European Parliament and its Committee on Budgets will oppose — by a very large majority, I trust — such a procedural fraud.
Men kan nogen forestille sig, at der ville være lige så meget samtykke, hvis tilsvarende holdninger kom til udtryk i vesten? Nej, så ville man — i hvert fald i Forbundsrepublikken Tyskland — bruge »Berufsverbot« og forsøge at kvæle netop sådanne røster.
I feel that the Commission ought, through you, as Commisioner for the Budget, to tell us in the most formal terms that it is now under taking to see that in no circumstances the amounts carried over from 1984 to 1985 can be subject to rebate.
Det er udmærket at have ladt en plads stå tom. Men det ville være bedre at besætte en plads. Hr. Deniau har ret på dette punkt.
2-379/84/rev.) by Mr Formigoni and others on behalf of the Group of the European Peo ple's Party on leaving an empty seat in the Chamber of the European Parliament for Andrei Sakharov.
Under alle omstændigheder, hvis vi skal tale om uopsættelighed bør den i højere grad gælde ægtefællerne Sacharov end proceduren. duren.
Mr Sutra seems mixed up about our wanting a larger budget in 1985 to get a bigger rebate, but we should also have to pay a lot more money, so it is not a sensible argument. It should be refuted.
Denne form for tvetungethed fortsætter på andre om råder. Lad os for eksempel nu tage højrefløjens pro paganda.
Mr Tugendhat, Vice-President of the Commission. — Mr President, we have had a long debate.
Hvordan forholder det sig med Nicaragua?
It has ranged over many subjects.
Det er let gennemskueligt.
Honourable Members
Hvad angår mit indlægs anden del, vil jeg anmode Dem, hr. formand, om at give ordet til hr. Bernard
Mr Formigoni. — (IT) Mr President, the meaning of our motion is as follows: the European Parliament has undertaken, amongst others, a task for which it is responsible to the peoples of Europe: the task of being a factor for peace, and working for peace.
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Antony. — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, naturlig vis er Sacharov-sagen uopsættelig. Derfor var det os først og fremmest magtpåliggende at kunne drøfte den under dette nye Europa-Parlaments første møde periode.
There are many countries in Europe and many situations in the world where these fundamental rights are not respected.
Selvfølgelig kunne vi have ønsket, at vi kun ne have behandlet vort eget beslutningsforslag, men vi agter at'støtte det, der er fremsat af det europæiske folkepartis gruppe.
Inside Europe the fate of many Soviet citizens and citizens of other countries in Eastern Europe is a source of particular concern — citizens that we know are imprisoned because of their ideas or their religious beliefs. Or even citizens about whom nothing more is heard.
Når dette er sagt, ønsker vi at henlede opmærksom heden på, at skønt Sacharov-sagen er uopsættelig, er det endnu mere uopsætteligt fortsat at tilkendegive, at det, der virkelig står på spil, er at sikre Europas fortsatte beståen og vor institutions værdighed ved at forkaste det mest inderligt perverse regime i historien. storien.
In 1975 the Helsinki Treaty was signed: it was signed by all the countries of Europe, excepting Albania. The Helsinki Treaty guarantees, amongst other things, the free circulation of men and ideas, and the right of the individual to know and act upon his rights and duties in relation to living and working conditions.
Formanden. — Hr. Ulburghs, Europa-Parlamentet har tidligere flere gange udtalt sig om Nelson Mandela og afgivet en række erklæringer og udtalelser.
And because we of the Parliament are today only reaffirming a position taken many times over past years, we expressly welcome and support the clear way in which the French President Francois Mitterand spoke out for Sakharov in Moscow.
Pannella. — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, dette forslag har uden tvivl en vis værdi.
Our proposal to leave an empty seat in the Chamber of the European Parliament for Andrei Sakharov is a proposal to hand over, symbolically, to Andrei Sakharov, a post in representation of all those that suffer, in the world, for their own ideas.
Men ærligt talt, hr. Formigoni, finder jeg denne værdi noget tvivl som.
We want these efforts to continue: on behalf of Sakharov, as well as on behalf of all the other defenders of freedom and human rights, not just in the Soviet Union, but in all other parts of the world as well.
Naturligvis er der dårlige regimer; det har der altid været.
Nevertheless we are unable to support and endorse our colleague's motion that a seat be left vacant in the Chamber.
Men vi på i dag ikke glemme gulag'ens realitet.
I wonder what happened to that majority decision?
Sacharov'erne er symbolet herpå.
It has vanished somewhere!
Og der er 150 millioner døde som følge af deportation og massakrer i alle de lande, som kommunismens plage har ramt.
The ridicule to which Parliament is exposing itself will be even greater. It is doing nothing but generate hot air.
Vi mener, at det er dette, der virkelig står på spil.
We know that other men are suffering on this account in Latin American and Central American countries, or in Africa or the Far East.
Det, der virkelig gælder, er straks at befri de kustne, jøderne, muhamedanerne, alle dem, som lider i de tusinder af koncentrationslejre, som endnu er åbne — men kun i én retning — i de østeuropæiske lande.
We are proposing the seat for Andrei Sakharov because there is no news of his fate, and that is something, of which we all feel the need, and which we want to have.
Pludselig at fremsætte et forslag uden forudgående drøftelse, endog uden at søge sammen at gøre os nogle overvejelser, uden virkelig at tage fat på de realiteter, som vi alle sammen afskyr, er måske karakteristisk for en opsigtsvækkende, partipolitisk handling, men ikke for den forsigtighed, der er en nødvendig dyd for at tjene den sag, som tilsyneladende et vor.
Andrei Sakharov represents all of these people: Andrei Sakharov was awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace: since 1980 he has been banned from leaving the city of Gorki, and from having any contact with the press.
En tom plads — ja, hvorfor ikke?
We know that he started a hunger strike, and there has been no further news of him for several months.
Og hvis vi vælger dette ritual, hvorfor så ikke også lade en plads stå tom for de tredive millioner mennesker, der hvert år myrdes af udryddelsespolitikken, af sulten? Fordi de ikke er kendte?
Finally, we ask the European Parliament to send a delegation to the Soviet Union, to the city of Gorki, to announce this resolution in person to the one whom it concerns.
Der er brug for tyve eller tredive.
We want to help Andrei Sakharov.
Ønsker vi virkelig, hr. Formigoni, at lade kirkerne være de eneste, der mindes disse døendes, disse myrdedes martyrium?
Finally, we should like to ask the President of the Parliament to forward this resolution, for information, to the Council and the Commission.
(Bifald fra det yderste højre)
(Applause from the Left)
Der blev for lidt siden fremført forskellige modstridende bemærkninger.
(Applause from the Centre and the Right).
Vedrørende Afghanistan var der noget, der skulle reddes, måske reklamekontrakterne?
Mr Hänsch. — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen!
Og vi er i denne sal de eneste af PPEs kolleger, der har gjort opmærksom på, at Mendés-France var den eneste i Frankrig, der i 1936 havde anmodet om, at Frankrig ikke skulle deltage i de olympiske lege i Berlin. Måske var han dengang mere forudseende end de andre, som i deres realistiske for nuft stolede på Maginot-linjen...
Over recent years the Socialist Group has taken up the fate of Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union in a whole series of motions for resolutions, and we of this House have repeatedly united in our concern over his fate.
Ulburghs. — (NL) Hr. formand, mine damer og her rer, jeg er helt enig med det beslutningsforslag, som mine kolleger fra det europæiske folkepartis gruppe har fremsat om Andrei Sacharov.
Mr Gerontopoulos. — (GR) Mr President, I agree entirely with the proposal by our colleague Mr Formigioni.
Jeg er enig i, at en plads står tom i denne sal.
However, I would like to see its scope enlarged.
Jeg vil dog gerne komme med et supplement til dette beslutningsforslag og til føje endnu en tom plads til én, der er symbolet på de undertrykte folk i den tredje verden, som kæmper for frihed og værdighed. Jeg taler om Nelson Mandela.
I propose that the empty seat should be dedicated to the citizens of Eastern Europe.
Derfor ønsker vi at gentage de samme tre anmodninger til fordel for Nelson Mandela, nemlig:
As was also said by Mrs Patenotre, who presided over our inaugural partsession, the people of Eastern Europe have their place
min mening bør analyseres og drøftes i det politiske udvalg. Den tager ikke sigte på at lege med Sacharov, men på at frigøre vore kræfter i retning af friheden og retfærdigheden.
We are convinced that this Parliament of ours has a great and noble function to discharge in this connection : and it will only discharge that function fully if it moves in a sphere of firm, constant, consistent, universal appeal to the great principles of freedom, deriving thereby moral strength and also a real capacity for political impact.
Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
in our great European family.
Afstemningen finder sted i næste afstemningstid.
I therefore ask that a seat be held waiting for them.
Hvorledes, hr. Formigoni, er det muligt at forene protesten mod missilerne med forsendelsen af tredive millioner tons korn til Moskva, hvilket giver Moskva et våben på levnedsmiddelområdet, således at det kan føre en nord-mod-syd-politik, en udryddelsespolitik?
For these reasons, whilst emphasizing again our solidarity with Andrew Sakharov, we consider it wiser to abstain from a vote that adds nothing and might per haps to some extent prejudice, in some way or other, the efforts that are being made in different forms in a number of quarters to improve the future lot of this cultured man, whose commitment we regard with profound admiration.
(Bifald fra forskellige pladser)
(Applause from the Left).
Formanden. — Hr. Hänsch, det er her blevet aftalt, at alle afstemninger om de spørgsmål, der her skulle drøftes, finder sted i morgen tidlig kl. 9.00 — det er en aftale, der er indgået i Parlamentet.
Mr Deniau. — (FR) Mr President, may I, on behalf of the Liberal and Democratic Group, say a few words on this very important and sensitive question, with all the modesty becoming a new Member, though a rather mature one.
Fanton. — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg ønsker at tage ordet vedrørende Parlamentets arbejdsmetoder.
This is a political fact — or rather, an ethical and political fact — that is for us essential, and cannot be renounced.
I denne kamp er det nødvendigt at have en reel, velovervejet politik.
We emphasize again today, strongly, this protest and this solidarity.
Jeg mindes den foregående valgperiode, hvor der for det almindelige parlamentsmedlem syntes at herske konstant uorden.
I am thoroughly convinced that it is our mission — Parliament's and Europe's — to concern ourselves with this type of question, and to concern ourselves actively.
Man vidste aldrig, hvad der ville blive drøftet.
No country is great unless it is greater than what it is.
For lidt siden var hr. Tugendhats navn opført efter den sidste taler blandt parlamentsmedlemmerne.
The problem of Andrei Sakharov is precisely the type problem that is of direct interest to us as Europeans.
En række af vore kolleger gik derfor ud fra, at hr. Tugendhat ville tale i en vis tid.
I also feel that in this sphere symbols have their importance. The worst that can happen is silence.
Kort tid efter begyndte forhandlingerne om det foreliggende forslag, uden at de medlemmer, der ikke var til stede i mødesalen, var klar over det.
And in a battle such as that for Andrei Sakharov we should remember that it is our duty not to be silent and that we must ensure a consistency and a discipline in our actions.
Kunne jeg mon anmode det nye formandskab samt mødetjenesten, der måske vil kunne indrette sig på det, om at finde frem til en metode, der viser med lemmerne, hvor langt vi er nået.
This, if I may be allowed to say so, is our great strength, a serious political strength, untouched by demagogical stresses, convinced of the supremacy of politics over propaganda, and bent on seeking concrete results.
Jeg er godt klar over, at jeg vil få det svar, at det var opført på dagsordenen, men det er umuligt at vide, hvad der foregår.
Mr President, on behalf of my group and in my own name I declare that the resolution before us is fully consonant with our aims and our role.
Alavanos. — (GR) Hr. formand, der er et forretningsordensproblem, som angår præsidiet.
On the other hand, I should be happy if paragraph 2 of the resolution could be left out.
Jeg gør Dem opmærksom herpå, fordi sagen efter min mening er alvorlig. Vi forhandler om Formigoni-beslutningsfor- slaget, og af teksten fremgår det, at det fremsættes i overensstemmelse med artikel 57 i forretningsordenen.
I feel that at all stages in this battle we should look for the most ser ious the most practical, and the most striking gesture — for symbols have their importance — but one which at the same time can be put into effect.
Men en sådan anmodning er ikke fremsat hverken af Rådet eller Kommissionen.
Now it does not seem to us that Mr Formigoni's motion can improve Andrei Sakharov's lot.
Desuden fastslår artikel 57, stk. 5 klart, at den uopsættelige forhandling skal be handles af Parlamentets kompetente udvalg.
In the last Parliament it was already decided — as Mr Hänsch has just recalled — to leave an empty seat for the European countries that do not belong to the European Community.
Men ud valgene og specielt det politiske udvalg er ikke sam mansat endnu.
But, Mr President, can we go on adding empty seats in this Parliament whenever we want?
Efter min mening vil der, hvis vi går videre med afstemning om dette spørgsmål, blive tale om en alvorlig fejl fra præsidiets side, og jeg mener ikke, at dette er godt navnlig i begyndelsen af funktionsperioden.
We, at all events, shall not take this course, and we shall not, for example, propose — just to keep the question to Europe and a country associated with the EEC — an empty seat for Turkey . . .
Eftersom vi har en moderne mødesal, er det en smule latterligt blot at have papstykker, hvorpå der skrives navne, der udskiftes i forhandlingens løb. Dette var mit første forslag.
Quite frankly, Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, I am not convinced that an empty seat is the best way to achieve the end we seek.
Formanden. — Hr. Alavanos, jeg er blevet gjort op mærksom på, at der åbenbart ved trykningen af dette beslutningsforslag er sket en fejl.
. . . until the time comes when there are no more death sentences and persecutions in that country, even though we shall continue firmly in this and in every other case to fight for the respect of the rights of man.
Fanton lamentsmedlemmernes rettigheder er fuldt genoprettet! tet!
Deniau tics, but because of the reception we were given.
på en ændring i forhandlingerne.
May I, on behalf of the Liberal Group, table an amendment?
Det system, der består i ved hjælp af papstykker at give meddelelser om de forskellige forhandlinger, er ikke acceptabelt.
I should like to take up the idea put forward by my Italian colleagues, Mr Gawronski and Mr Bettiza and take this opportunity to set up a European Parliament Prize, which would be called 'The Andrei Sakharov European Prize of the European Parliament'.
Eftersom vi står over for et nyt Parlament, ville jeg ønske, hr. formand, at det nye præsidium og mødetjenesten beskæftigede sig med disse beskedne forslag.
This prize would be granted each year in the sphere which is that in which Andrei Sakharov is waging his struggle.
At arbejde her i huset kræver mange gode egenskaber og stor tålmodighed.
I feel that in this way we would ensure continuity and we would be doing something positive by giving further substance to the symbol and to the gesture that we want to make.
Hvis De ønsker en anden procedure, må De forelægge et forslag her om, og præsidiet må så beskæftige sig med det.
We have all seen in recent years what comes of one-sided support of the victims of violations of human rights.
Jeg går ud fra, at det er Deres problem?
We saw it in the Federal Republic of Germany: there was support, even in the CDU, for the independent freedom movement in the German Democratic Republic.
Hvis ikke må De præcisere, hvad De ønsker at få ændret.
When these people were able to leave the GDR for the Federal Republic — what hap pened then?
Formanden. — Hr. Fanton, jeg takker for Deres ind læg.
Or look what happened with the Solidarity movement in Poland.
Med hensyn til hr. Tugendhat, har De berørt et spørgsmål, der til stadighed har beskæftiget vi parlamentarikere.
Even the most right-wing Christian Democrats say that it is something they must support.
Vi ved ikke på forhånd, om en kommissær fremkommer med en lang eller en kort redegørelse, og vor forretningsorden indeholder heller ingen nøjere angivelse om Kommissionens taler.
But can anyone imagine that there would be such strong approval if these ideas were to be advocated in the West?
Det er alt så et tidsspørgsmål, som vi ikke kan beregne nøjagtig· tig·
No — at least in the Federal Republic of Germany — there would be bans on employment and serious attempts to silence these voices.
Pannella. — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg giver Dem ret i, at det hele er i overensstemmelse med artikel 74, men jeg må beklage det. Sagen er imidlertid, at vi i denne uge befinder os i en ganske særlig situation.
First, this Parliament has already, to its honour, held debates and intervened in a substantial way in the area of human rights.
Var det rigtigt at stemme for anmodninger om uopsættelig hed, når det ikke på forhånd var planlagt, og således bryde med den traditionelle fortolkning af forretningsordenen?
Secondly, as the author of the resolution has reminded us, human rights are being trampled on in many countries of the world, and particularly in those of Eastern Europe.
Mellem det øjeblik, hvor vi læser be slutningen, og det tidspunkt, hvor ændringsforslagene skal stilles, har vi kun nogle få minutter til vor rådighed. hed.
We must not, by remaining silent, give the impression that we condone or acquiesce in this situation. tion.
Hvis jeg hertil føjer, at ændringsforslag nr. 1 og 2, nemlig hr. Le Pens og mit meget, ikke er omdelt i salen, er det et spørgsmål, om der overhovedet kan tales om en forhandling.
It is non sense: the people on these lists were not gaoled because of political acts, they became members of political parties after they were put in prison; and now people are acting as though they had been imprisoned because of their membership of political groups.
Det er ikke nogen forhandling, men det rene bluff.
It is quite transparent.
Min anmodning går helt præcist ud på følgende : hvis de sædvanlige frister ikke respekteres, kunne man i det mindste sørge for, at ændringsforslagene omdeles i salen.
Let us pursue this line of thought: we can draw an enormous line to include the Olympic Games, which will take place shortly.
Og det bør om muligt helst ske allerede i dag.
Everyone said there had been a slight traffic accident outside the United States !
Formanden. — Hr. Pannella, jeg har taget Deres for slag til efterretning, og jeg kan blot forsikre Dem om, at jeg vil drøfte det med mine kolleger i præsidiet.
But that is double-think! And a further instance, we are all sitting here together saying how nice it is here in the Community where there are so many foreigners !
Vi kunne jo så blot stemme pr. telefon uden nogen form for forhandling. Det ville komme ud på ét at ringe til os eller til gruppeformændene og meddele: 138 socialistiske stemmer osv. Jeg har forhørt mig hos vore tjenestegrene, som har forklaret mig, at om delingen ikke kunne finde sted på grund af personale mangel.
For these two reasons we support the motion for a resolution and consider it very important.
Her kommer vi endnu en gang tilbage til hr. Fantons bemærkninger.
In doing so, it will show that it is not indifferent to this fundamental question which concerns us here in the free part of Europe and it will demonstrate that we are alert to all infringements of human rights any where.
(Mødet hævet kl. 18.25) V)
Mr Schwalba-Hoth. — (DE) Mr President, col leagues!
I hvert fald nægter vi at gå over til afstemningen, så længe der ikke er rettet op på denne situation, og par
As new members of a Group which is new here we were surprised by this resolution. We are very sensitive on this matter, not just because of our poli
FORSÆDE: PIERRE PFLIMLIN mer til Europa-Parlamentet ved almindelige direkte valg.
And there are 150 million dead — killed by deportation or massacre in all the countries which have fallen under Communist rule.