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Derfor måtte min afgørelse være, som den var i henhold til forretningsordenen og på foranledning af den henstilling, nogle af deres kolleger fremsatte.
Anyway, you have raised an important matter which will be referred to the Bureau.
Punkt 10 — ændringsforslag nr. 10
The joint debate is closed.
Herman, ordfører. — (FR) Nej, det er statistisk set ukorrekt.
President. — We shall now consider the request for a vote without referral to committee on three motions for resolutions (Docs 1-979/81, 1-1022/81 and 1-1036/81) seeking to wind up the debate on the oral question on the mandate of 30 May.
Jeg går imod dette ændringsforslag (').
Since the three motions concern the same subject, I propose that a single vote be taken.
Den foreliggende betænkning henviser ikke til den tunge byrde, som arbejdstagerne allerede er blevet pålagt i takt med krisens forværring, selv om de — hvilket statistisk set ikke er ukorrekt — igennem adskillige år har accepteret en politik, som faktisk gik ud på begrænsning af lønomkostningerne.
For all those reasons the Commission had prepared a contingency plan for a system which will enable us to survive from here to 1984 when, in times which may be politically and economically a little less turbulent, try then to find a solution to this problem.
Betænkningens unuancerede lovtale for den fri samhandel benægter de ti seneste års økonomiske fakta og realiteter.
This is the point I wish to repeat, so as to be sure that everyone was aware of it.
Europa skal fremover vælge de sektorer, som anses for at være af vital interesse, og som man ønsker at beskytte.
You must understand that for you as a Parliament as much for us as a Commission everything depends on the choice which is going to be made during the coming weeks.
Alavanos. — (GR) Hr. formand, efter vor opfattelse, som repræsentanter for Grækenlands kommunistiske parti, giver Hermanbetænkningen det femte program
Which means that come that day we, together, must face public opinion and our own national parliaments and redefine Europe for its second generation.
Der foreslås heller ikke nogen virkelig ny foranstaltning med henblik på at skaffe arbejde til Europas arbejdsløse.
It means that those who are against the Community as much as those who are for it must, not only here but in their own countries, say what kind of Community they want for tomorrow and
(') Ordføreren udtalte sig — for ændringsforslag nr. 1,2,3,4,8, 12, 18, 19,20,21,22,23,24,25 — imod ændringsforslag nr. 5, 6, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
Mr Junot. — (FR) Mr President, the debate we are now concluding has been about the 30 May mandate and the future of the Community, in other words about the most serious problems the Community has known since it was established when the Treaty of Rome was signed 25 years ago.
Jeg håber blot, at de kristelige fagforeningsmedlemmer og de kristeligdemokratiske parlaments medlemmer i Belgien, som står ved Deres side, vil vågne op i tide.
(The sitting was suspended at 1 p.m. and resumed at 3 p.m.) heard today, but I doubt that anyone will maintain that we have gone into sufficient depth on the under lying question, on which not only the future but the very survival of the European Community depends.
Det står der jo allerede.
IN THE CHAIR: MR DANKERT
Punkt 4 — ændringsforslag nr. 12 og 9
President. — The next item is the vote on the motions for resolutions on which the debate has been closed.
Den første er, at vi jo rent faktisk ikke ved, hvad vi stemmer om.
We shall begin with the Delmotte report (Doc.
Stemmer vi om indledningen til det femte program eller om hele det femte program?
1-825/ 81): Social and economic situation of the regions of the Community.
For det andet er en række ændringsforslag, som vi havde forelagt med det formål at ændre tendensen i betænkningen af Herman, blevet forkastet.
Are our 30 years of work in building Europe going to be wasted?
Og den filosofi, som ligger til grund for betænkningen af Herman, gør på en vis måde beskæftigelsen til en erstatning for den fulgte politik.
It has to be said that the 30 May mandate marked the end of the Treaty of Rome.
Men vi for vor part mener, sådan som jeg også sagde det i det indlæg, jeg fremsatte på min gruppes vegne, at beskæftigelsen i dag bør stå i centrum for den økonomiske strategi.
I grant that, as Mr Thorn just said, this unfortunate mandate was entrusted to the last Commission unanimously by the ten governments, amongst whom some of the most eminent had only a few months earlier stated that the British demands to which the mandate relates were 'indecent'.
Som følge heraf vil min gruppe stemme imod denne betænkning.
We from the start have regarded the mandate as unacceptable and warned of the terrible consequences it would have.
Forth. — (EN) Hr. formand, må jeg have lov til at foreslå de kolleger, som læser deres stemmeforkla ringer op for Parlamentet, at de i stedet for i henhold til artikel 80 forelægger deres stemmeforklaringer i skriftlig form og således sparer os alle en masse tid?
For their part governments are frequently accepting conflicting compromises for reasons of home policy.
Den anden årsag til, at vi stemmer imod, er, at den stædighed og den overilelse, hvormed man støtter oprettelsen af en europæisk valutamyndighed, ikke er forenelig med kendskabet til de problemer, som er knyttet til den monetære integrationsprocedure.
The question is whether one country — the United Kingdom, to name names — no matter how much it is respected and appreciated by us all for so many reasons, has the right to continue blocking the normal working of the Community by failing to observe the most fundamental rules of the Treaty.
Det virker ikke fremmende hverken på Parlamentets forretningsgang eller på forhandlingernes livlighed, hvis folk står og læser deres tale op. Jeg vil langt fore trække at få dem forelagt i skriftlig form!
Mr Alavanos. — (GR) Mr President, we agree with a great deal of what Mr Delmotte said about the committee's report.
Formanden. — Hr. Forth, jeg er en varm tilhænger af individuel frihed, og jeg vil fortolke Deres bemærk ning på denne baggrund. Tak for Deres indlæg.
Mr Delmotte makes no reference to the fact that Athens and Thessaloniki are not included in the regions which receive aid from the Regional Fund, while on the other hand he comments critically on the regional division in other countries, such as the United Kingdom or Ireland.
(Munterhed) (Forslaget til beslutning vedtoges) (')
Mr Thorn has just told us that we have to make a choice: how much we want to pay.
Vi går nu over til betænkningen af Purvis (dok.
In the last analysis the question is, let us be honest, how much we shall have to pay for the United Kingdom to remain in the Community, or how much we shall have to pay for them to leave.
1-971/81): Det europæiske monetære system.
We must be told: the question has to be asked.
Efter femte led— ændringsforslag nr. 4 og 13
President. — The vote on the motions for resolutions will take place at the next voting time.
Endelig, hr. formand, er den tredje og sidste grund til, at vi stemmer imod, át betænkningen opfordrer Kommissionen til at påbegynde drøftelser med den græske regering om optagelse af drakmen i det monetære system, og dette er vort parti modstander af
This omission gives rise to even greater concern since in paragraph 14 of the Delmotte motion the Commission is asked to take this report into consideration during the negotiations on the revision of the Regional Development Fund regu lation, and this could ultimately serve to perpetuate the exclusion of these regions.
Sir Brandon Rhys Williams. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg kan helt og fuldt tilslutte mig den generelle tendens in
Membership of committees — Topical and urgent debate (objections): see Minutes.
Purvis, ordfører. — (EN) Udvalget stemte imod ændringsforslag nr. 13 af Ruffolo på grund af dets længde. Der var ingen principielle indvendinger, men det er for langt.
The report of proceedings gives only those parts of the vote which gave rise to speeches.
Efter min mening er ændringsforslag nr. 4 af Deleau ikke nødvendigt.
Mr De Pasquale, deputy rapporteur, was: — in favour of Amendments Nos 4, 5/rev. and 6; — against Amendments Nos 1, 2 and 3.
(') Ordføreren udtalte sig — for ændringsforslag nr. I, 2, 8 og II — imod ændringsforslag nr. 3, 5, 6, 10, 14, 16 og 17
President. — We shall now consider the request for a vote without referral to committee on the motion for, a resolution (Doc.
Jeg så også gerne, at pundet blev tilsluttet det europæiske monetære system dog under forudsætning af, at det aldrig vil blive krævet af Storbritannien, at dets valuta fortsat skal være bundet til en overvurderet kurs i forhold til de andre medlemsstaters valutaers købekraft.
It is chiefly for this reason that we representatives of the Greek Communist Party shall abstain from voting as a further expression of our demand for the inclusion of Athens and Thessaloniki in the regions eligible for aid from the Regional Fund.
Det ville glæde mig, hvis der kan oprettes en europæiske monetær fond, måske ved at bygge videre på det grundlag, der udgøres af Udvalget af Central bankdirektører.
Mr Damette.— (FR) In order to speak about the Delmotte report, something must first of all be said about the Commission's own report.
Det er mit store håb, at udviklingen i Fællesskabet vil gå i retning af at oprette af et frit og integreret europæisk kapitalmarked.
This thick document consists basically of a statistical compilation providing an analysis of major constituent parts.
Men hvis man samtidig fratager landene de muligheder, de har for at styre deres egen økono miske politik, så får man direkte divergens mellem landene.
An attempt to measure the intensity of regional problems by a single indicator is a contradiction which in fact disregards the specific qualitative features of the regions, in other words, the essential factors. This is clearly borne out by the final result.
Derfor må jeg sige, at jeg synes ikke, tiden er inde til at overgå til en institutionel fase.
We are told that from the 'Community point of view' regional problems are as intense in Limousin as in the Paris region.
Jeg så i stedet for gerne, at man udvidede det europæiske monetære system i bredden ved at tage flere lande med i det.
It would have been better to avoid the ridiculous situation of classifying Paris and Corrèze together.
Ruffolo. — (IT) Hr. formand, af de årsager, som jeg havde lejlighed til at gøre rede for i går i mit indlæg og under hensyntagen til, at næsten alle de ændrings forslag, jeg har fremsat på den socialistiske gruppes vegne er blevet forkastet, skal jeg herved meddele, at vor gruppe vil afholde sig fra at stemme om det af hr. Purvis fremsatte forslag til beslutning.
If the truth be known, one wonders if the final card in the form of the conclusion of the document is not intended to provide a guarantee of an objective approach to the Commission proposals on the reform of the Regional Fund and in particular the exclusion of France from its benefits.
Jeg er enig med ordføreren i hans tro på, at et sandt, forenet Fælles skab kræver en fælles valuta.
Lest any one should imagine that the House is uncritically in favour of regional policy, I want to make this a joint explanation of vote, following on the joint debate.
Jeg er enig i, at der bør skabes et alternativt skatkammer og en alternativ værdimåling, som skal afløse den lokale udstedelse af papirpenge, og som eventuelt skal erstatte guldet; men jeg er ikke enig med ham i at sætte hele min lid til ECUen. Den er hverken mere eller mindre end en tingest, som består af præcis de samme nationale papirvalutaer, som vi håber, den vil erstatte.
The big problem with regional policy is that it actually tries to undo nature because, what even this House cannot do, is to reverse the great natural processes which make regions different.
Efter min mening har de sidste ti år vist, at den vest lige verdens eksperimenter med etniske papirvalutaer er slået fejl.
In my view, this report is a political ploy behind a pseudo-scientific smokescreen.
Det er farligt at sætte en papirtiger i banken.
Consequently, I cannot share Mr Delmotte's opposing views.
Jeg sagde det, som min gruppe mener om den tekst, der var blevet forelagt os.
That is why I am going to vote against this report.
Jeg anførte grundene til, at vi i udvalget ikke stemte for betænkningen af Purvis, fordi der var visse af forslagene, som vi mente var absolut urealistiske på nuværende tidspunkt. Hr. Purvis tekst er blevet noget forbedret gennem vedtagelsen af en række ændringsforslag.
I think it is important that we try to encourage our colleagues in the Committee on Regional Policy and Regional Planning to stop spending all their time saying how wonderful the policy is and trying to spend more money on it and actually query what the policy is trying to do and find ways of enabling policies to improve the way of life of our people in the Community.
Men ikke desto mindre er der stadig en række forslag i denne tekst, som vi ikke mener er gennemførlige på nuværende tidspunkt.
The day that the Committee on Regional Policy and Regional Planning can start to do this it will be serving us and the people of Europe a lot better.
Fich. — Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne forklare, hvorfor jeg stemmer imod Purvisbetænkningen.
Mr Herman, rapporteur. — (FR) I am against Amend ment No 9 and in favour of Amendment No 7.
Fernandez. — (FR) Formålet med hr. Purvis' betænkning er i det væsentlige politisk, nemlig at bevæge medlems staterne til at medvirke til fuldførelsen af EMS specielt ved at oprette en europæisk centralbank og en europæisk valuta, for således at gøre et skridt i retning af en økonomisk og monetær union.
There are very few adjudged successes to any regional policy, and we in the United Kingdom can point to many monuments to regional folly, including the De Lorean car plant, the Invergordon steel smelter, car plants in Bathgate and Lynwood. We in Bristol receive nothing from the Regional Fund, nor do we seek anything.
Der er adskillige problemer i det; men det kan på mange områder udvikles, således at de værste tekniske forhindringer kan overvindes og man kan få et endnu bedre system til at fungere her.
When there is an opportunity to have a genuine debate with the Commission, on the amendments as well, I am inclined to think that politically it is a good idea, provided the Commission does not abuse the opportunity.
Men samtidig er jeg imod, at man tager skridtet over til anden fase, til den institutionelle fase.
I welcome the Commission's attempted redefinition of what the regional policy is supposed to achieve.
Denne praksis har i øvrigt givet slet ikke så ringe resultater, hvilket den seneste tilpasning af valutaerne i oktober 1981 viser.
Mr Andriessen, Member of the Commission. — (NL) Mr President, perhaps I am not entirely au fait
Fernandez mine kolleger for deres værdifulde vurderinger, som støtter de principielle udsagn i min betænkning.
Andriessen they have had no opportunity to do so during the debate.
Jeg vil dog afvise størstedelen af de ændringsforslag, der er stillet af de to udvalg, fordi de til dels ophæver hinanden indbyrdes eller fordi der efter min mening foreligger andre, mere præcise forslag.
The amendments voted on now are all amend ments which were available during the debate, so from that point of view I should be making an exception to the rules if I give the floor to the Commission.
Jeg vil i slut­ningen af mit indlæg komme tilbage til et principielt forslag fra kollegerne i retsudvalget.
I accept that in that case the House has to accept this exception because it is a derogation of the rules. You are fully right on that point.
Det ville være endog yderst positivt, hvis EMS kunne blive den for de europæiske lande nødvendige samord­ningsmekanisme som modvægt mod dollarens sving­ninger.
with your procedures, but my colleague, Mr Ortoli, asked me to make a statement either during or before the vote on a particular amendment on which the Commission clearly had insufficient opportunity during the debate to clarify its attitude.
(Forslaget til beslutning vedtoges) (') (
President. — I call Mr Notenboom.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er forhandling om betænkning (dok.
Mr Notenboom. — (NL) Mr President, you certainly have my support in this unusual situation, but there must be a genuine discussion at an earlier stage.
Trods mange positive tilløb og bestræbelser i den forgangne tid, hvor Kommissionen har udmærket sig, er opdelingen af EF­organernes beføjelser, navnlig Europa­Parla­mentets, ordnet på en højst utilstrækkelig måde.
Lord Harmar-Nicholls. — Mr President, I gather that under the Rules the Commission can speak at any time they request to do so, but I would like you to give a ruling on that.
Det skal erindres, at den fælles handelspolitik siden 1973 helt falder ind under Fællesskabets kompetanceom­råde, hvilket vil sige, at handelsaftaler ikke længere indgås af de nationale parlamenter.
Does that rule mean that they can intervene at any time during the debate? Does that freedom extend to intervening during a vote?
Desværre hører, og det tilføjer jeg ud fra et EF­synspunkt, investe­rings­ og kapitalgodeeksport inkl. kreditfinansiering stadig væk under medlemslandenes domæne.
Because if it does, intervening during a vote certainly is a precedent which may well produce difficulties in the future, and it may be as well not to allow it to do so until it has been ascertained whether that is a proper interpretation of the rule.
Blumenfeld, ordfører. — (DE) Hr. formand, dette er — hvis jeg må tillade mig at vurdere det sådan — den sidste i en række af betydningsfulde beslutninger, som det politiske udvalg har forelagt og hvori der kræves øgede beføjelser til Europa­Parlamenteu over for de to andre institutioner. Dette krav stilles især med blikket rettet mod Rådet med dets overvægtige posi­tion, hvori det på én og samme tid fungerer som lovgivende og udøvende organ.
President. — I must say, Mr Notenboom, that in the light of the comments made by Lord Harmar-Nicholls and Mr J. M. Taylor, and in the light of what the Rules of Procedure have to say and the interpretation that has been put on those Rules, it would not be right at this moment to accede to the Commission's request, because the Commission has had ample opportunity to speak to the amendments in the course of the debate proper.
Alle de institutionelle beslutninger, som Parlamentet hidtil har vedtaget, bevæger sig inden for rammerne af de europæiske traktater.
That is something I would concede, but my decision, on the basis of the Rules of Procedure, is not to give the Commission the floor at this stage.
Det drejede sig om Grækenland.
I call the Commission.
Hr. Andriessen, denne kompetence ligger stadig væk udelukkende hos Kommissionen!
Once the vote has begun it is too late for the Commission to speak.
Jeg vil på nuvæ­rende tidspunkt ikke uddybe den herhen hørende argumentation, men jeg vil dog lige fremsætte en principiel betragtning.
There is no disrespect to the Commissioner, but you must press on with the voting, surely, Mr President?
Efter dette stikordsagtige tilbageblik forelægger jeg i dag plenum den i min betænkning indeholdte, begrundelse og beslutning, samt i bilaget udtalelsen fra vor kollega Donnez på retsudvalgets og vor kollega Jonkers vegne for udvalget for eksterne økonomiske forbindelser. Jeg vil gerne takke begge
President. — Mr Taylor, your are right — and that covers also the argument of Lord Harmar-Nicholls — in the sense that the Commission has the right under the Rules — at least under the interpretation the Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions gives of the rules — to intervene on amendments when
(') Mandatet af 30. maj 1980 — Sammensætning af de politiske grupper: se protokollen.
I did not myself take part in the debate, and cannot therefore judge myself whether or not the
Blumenfeld skaber, lade handling følge på ord.
Commission had an opportunity of speaking to the amendments in the course of the debate proper.
Parlamentet deltager allerede i dag fra begyndelsen i tiltrædelsesforhandlingerne i betragtning af de uundgåelige finansielle virkninger, nye medlemmers tiltrædelse har på fællesskabsbudgettet.
really deprive the Commissioner of a chance of answering the points that are contained in the amend ments.
undergrave Kommissionens traktatmæssigt foran krede ret, bringe det pågældende tredjeland i vildrede eller genere det.
President. — Mrs Kellett-Bowman, I have to give you the following explanation.
Hvis Europa-Parlamentet således holdt på at ændre ordlyden i en færdigforhandlet og underskriftsklar traktat, ville man være i denne situation.
This problem has arisen before, The Committee on the Rules of Procedure and Petitions was consulted and made a proposal which has been accepted.
Så vidt vil Parlamentet eller ordføreren under ingen omstændigheder lade det komme.
That proposal reads:
Men vi bør efter min mening holde på, at Parlamentet indrømmes ret til med kvalificeret flertal ikke at træffe afgørelse om, men stemme om, hvorvidt en aftale eller en traktat skal træde i kraft eller ikke.
If, after the general debate, amendments are tabled on which the Commission has not been able to state an opinion, it may do so before the start of the vote on the motion to which the amendments refer.
Mine herrer rådsmedlemmer og kommissionsmedlemmer, det vil med andre ord sige: i modsætning til den i nationale parlamenter sædvanlige parlamentariske ratificering af internationale traktater, som følger umiddelbart efter en undertegnelse, skal Europa-Parlamentets samtykke stå før undertegnelsen.
What I should like to say, Mr President, is that one often hears in this House — sometimes from the Commission itself — the request that the debates be kept shorter and confined to the essential points. If this were to be introduced, I would imagine that the Commission would confine itself to giving a brief statement on amendments which were neither the subject of the debate as such nor were brought up specifically by the honourable Members.
Dette strider efter ordførerens og det politiske udvalgs mening ikke mod Rom-traktaten.
However, I do not wish to engender any major discussion of this point at this particular moment.
Lige et par ord til ændringsforslag nr. 1 fra vor kollega Jonker og nr. 25 fra vor kollega Seeler på udvalget for eksterne økonomiske forbindelsers vegne.
Well, that is not applicable in this case, because the amendments had been tabled in time and were playing a role in the debate.
Jeg kan desværre — jeg siger udtrykkeligt desværre — ikke bifalde disse ændringsforslag.
That is why my ruling according to the Rules of Procedure and upon the request of some of your colleagues had to be as it was.
For det første er quorum med tre femtedel af Parlamentets medlemmer sat så højt, at det næppe nogen sinde er opnåeligt, og for det andet kan Parlamentet — og det siger jeg i al ydmyghed over for kollegernes faglige viden — ikke indtræde i en interinstitutionel forhandling med Rådet og Kommissionen, hvis det allerede på forhånd foreslår og fastsætter forhandlingsresultatets mindsteniveau.
We there fore have to see whether we can improve the role of the Commission in commenting on amendments during the debate, but that is — as I said — a probability in the second term.
FORSÆDE: MARCEL ALBERT VANDEWIELE Næstformand
President. — Explanations of vote may now be given.
Formanden. — Ærede kolleger, inden jeg giver ordet til næste taler, vil jeg byde hr. De Keersmaeker velkommen.
President. — There is one point I should like to add.
Kendsgerningerne i forbindelse med tiltrædelsesforhandlinger er langt mere entydige og kan egentlig næppe bestrides af Rådet.
I think that, so long as the Rules read as they do at present, the best thing would be for the Commission to speak at the end of a debate on the basis of those amendments which have been tabled, to give it a second opportunity to comment on the amendments.
Vort krav lyder i den sammenhæng som følger: Europa-Parlamentet skal ikke kun udøve en passende, men en uindskrænket parlamentarisk funktion.
I think that would cover the political aspect and would also be in accordance with the Rules as they stand.