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Derfor har landbrugsudvalget entydigt med 16 stemmer mod 8 — og hvor de 8 stemmer kommer fra, kan De nemt forestille Dem — besluttet ikke at afvise drøftelsen af dette emne, men at udskyde den.
Mr Curry. — Mr President, this is a proposal to pay restitution to producers of certain alcoholic beverages, notably whisky, both Scottish and Irish. The Council has requested urgency.
Vi er parat til, så snart de juridiske spørgsmål er afklaret at gå igang med problemet, så der ikke opstår yderligere forsinkelser.
That ethylalcohol regime has never come into existence because, as the Commissioner has said, of opposition in the Council, not because of opposition in this Parliament.
Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne ganske kort forklare, hvorfor Kommissionen har fremsat denne anmodning om uopsættelig forhandling.
For this reason — and since the regulation in question will have retrospective force — no damage will be caused. I therefore call upon Parliament to reject urgent procedure.
Som Parlamentet ved, er det i tiltrædelsestraktatens protokol nr. 19 forudset, at Fællesskabet skulle indføre forholdsregler til lettelse af eksporten af alkoholiske drikke fremstillet på basis af korn.
In last year's price fixing, as part of that whole price package, it was agreed that if there was no ethylalcohol regime in prospect by the end of 1980, the restitutions owed since 1973 would be paid by the cereals regime.
(Bifald fia den europæiske demokratiske gruppe)
1 call Sir James to speak on behalf of the European Democratic Group.
Hr. formand, jeg må bede Dem undskylde, at min redegørelse er blevet så lang, men det skyldes den herskende forvirring. Vi vil gerne samarbejde, men ikke under disse omstændigheder.
In a recent debate Mr Prout used great kindness and charm in dubbing me, in my capacity as chairman of the Legal Affairs Committee, as a resolute defender of Parliament's rights.
Jeg har her frem lagt .landbrugsudvalgets officielle indstilling, og jeg beder den høje forsamling afvise anmodningen om uopsættelig forhandling, fordi vi gerne vil have lejlighed til at yde et pisitivt og overbevisende stykke arbejde.
It is precisely because I am proud of this title that I have to warn the House, as it carries out its tasks, against the adoption of methods which, albeit legal and legitimate, may hamper the role which is our duty as well as our right.
Jeg blev i sin tid udset til ordfører for alkoholmarkedsordningen, og det var meningen, at dette sagområde, dvs. udvindingen af whiskey fra korn, skulle fastlægges inden for alkoholmarkedsordningen.
I do not think I need to elaborate on what has been said by Mr Curry in favour of urgency for this particular motion.
Land brugsudvalget har allerede et udkast liggende til en betænkning, men det har besluttet at vente indtil kompetencespørsmålct er afklaret.
Listening to the comments which have been made, I find it difficult to believe that this House will want to go back on an agreement which was reached in the agricultural price review of 1980 and that the one issue which is outstanding should not be settled as a matter of urgency.
Som det allerede tidligere er sagt, skal dette ske i en offentlig høring i februar, og derefter vil landbrugsudvalget beslutte, hvad det videre skal foretage sig.
As it was not settled before the end of 1980 it should be dealt with at the earliest opportunity.
Vi er altså ikke modstandere af, at man anvender protokol nr. 19, vi går ind for det, og det har vi også givet udtryk for i landbrugsudvalget.
That is the whole point of trying to have urgency for this particular cereal request and I earnestly ask the House to honour what was agreed in the past and fulfil its obligations, which are quite clearly defined.
Men vi mener også, at det ikke længere kan komme an på, om der forløber et par måneder til, når vi så har mulighed for at finde en harmonisk løsning.
Therefore, on behalf of my group I wish to state that we shall be supporting urgency for this matter.
Rådet har anmodet om, at forslaget forhandles uopsætteligt.
President. — I call Mr Pranchère of the Communist and Allies Group.
Derfor — og også fordi forordningen vil få tilbage virkende kraft — sker der ingen skade ved at vente.
Mr Pranchère. — (F) Mr President, I feel this is both a weighty and a serious matter as far as the issues are concerned.
Jeg anmoder derfor Forsamlingen om at stemme imod anmodningen om uopsættelighed.
The Committee on Agriculture has rejected the debate.
(Bifald fra enkelte pladser)
Now we are ignoring its view.
Som en del af hele sidste års prisfastsættelsesaftale blev man enig om, at hvis der ikke var udsigt til en endelig ordning for ethylalkohol ved udgangen af 1980, skulle de udligningsbeløb der burde have været udbetalt efter 1973, betales over den fælles ordning for korn, og det er ganske bemærkelsesværdigt, at dette er den eneste del af sidste års prisaftale, der endnu ikke er trådt i kraft.
The motion for urgency on this proposal for a regulation is based on the assumption that, because of the tremendous amount of time needed for general organ ization in the case of alcohol, the Commission and the Council felt that as a matter of urgency attention should be focused on the particular subject of this proposal.
Jeg ville gerne se hr. Friihs og visse andres reaktion, hvis prisstigningerne i andre landbrugssektorer ikke var trådt i kraft 9 måneder efter at de var blevet aftalt.
Now, in dealing with a request for urgency which might well be justified on more solid and better grounds — this is for the benefit of the Commission and the Council — but which is basically a request for urgency deriving from the essential nature of the proposal, in the sense that the urgency is inherent, Parliament can give a negative answer.
Den begrundelse herfor, som jeg har til hensigt meget hurtigt at fremkomme med, vedrører ikke selve foran staltningen indhold, men drejer sig om et omhyggeligt forsvar af den ligevægt, der er fastsat i traktaterne mellem institutionerne, og i dette tilfælde om den rolle og den beføjelse til at blive hørt, som er en af vort Parlaments vigtigste.
Mr Früh. — (D) Mr President, if the interpreting is correct and the chairman of the Legal Affairs Commit tee has addressed himself to me personally, saying that the opinion might amount to anticipating an unfavourable opinion, I should like to point out the follow ing: . . .
Der findes ikke nogen ordning for ethylalkohol.
It is clear that the French Government is not entirely without blame in this affair.
Kommissionen har tilvejebragt de nødvendige midler inden for kornordningen. Pengene findes i budgettet, og budgettet er vedtaget af denne forsamling. I december stemte hele Parlamentet inklusive min gruppe imod uopsættelig forhandling, fordi vi ikke havde de nødvendige dokumenter.
Quite the contrary, as it has agreed to the lavish concessions granted to Mrs Thatcher and also, when matters were being discussed in France, it proposed a 50% tax hike on spirits.
Dem har vi nu, og landbrugsudvalget har haft hele mandag og tirsdag til at drøfte dem, men det udvalget faktisk drøftede var, om det overhovedet ønskede at genetablere forbin delsen til ethylalkohol.
Our producers are very grateful for the kind attention of the Council and the Commission, thanks to the good offices of Mr Davignon who after torpedoing the steel industry now wants to lay waste our farm production, and especially our alcohol production.
Det er en åbenlys uretfærdighed,
We cannot hold a debate on that matter now.
Mødet torsdag den 15. januar 1981
Sitting of Thursday, 15 January 1981
Ferri hensyn til en funktion, som for os er en ret, men også en pligt.
I think in various interests we want to know who is European and who is not.
Det, som næstformanden for landbrugsudvalget sagde, forekom mig, når det kommer til stykket, at være en foregribelse af en negativ udtalelse i denne sag.
President. — It will be a roll-call vote and therefore we shall vote electronically.
Früh og andre siger, at de ønsker det bundet til ordningen for ethylalkohol, men måske vil denne ordning være bragt i stand inden for en måned eller to, og måske vil den ikke.
In speaking out here against a measure which is in no way justified — I mean the refunds — we are standing by the interests of alcohol producers in France.
Og det er jo netop grunden til at forsøge at få sagen behandlet uopsætteligt.
Fine words will not make them forget the blows they have had to put up with and which they have to suffer here thanks to the whisky producers' lobby.
Jeg vil derfor indtrængende anmode forsamlingen om at respektere indgåede aftaler og opfylde sine forpligtelser, der er helt klart defineret på dette punkt.
As a result, the French members of the Communist and Allies Group will be voting against urgency and against this debate.
Formanden. — Hr. Pranchère har ordet for gruppen af kommunister og beslægtede.
President. — I call Mr Louwes to speak on behalf of the Liberal and Democratic Group.
Hr. formand, jeg mener virkelig, her er tale om en alvorlig og principiel sag.
President. — I am sure there was a misunderstanding.
Men stillet over for et forslag, som måske kunne begrundes mere udførligt og bedre — dette er en. opfordring, jeg retter til Kommissionen og Rådet — men som i det væsentlige er uopsætteligt som følge af selve forslagets karakter, en uopsættelighed, der i en vis forstand ligger i selve sagen, kan Parlamentet da sige nej?
Mr Gautier. — (D) Mr President, I would ask you to ensure that this item — as was originally intended — remains on today's agenda after the report on isoglucose.
Det kan sige — og begrundelsen vil i dette tilfælde vedrøre selve inholdet — at det er imod forordningen, fordi det mener, at det ikke er rigtigt at vedtage denne særlige ordning, og at man kan og bør afvente den almindelige ordning for alkohol.
You will have noticed that this is an extremely controversial subject, and Parliament should discuss it today — in its night sitting, if necessary — and not tomorrow morning, when most Members are already leaving.
Jeg erklærer derfor på den socialistiske gruppes vegne, at jeg går ind for at imødekomme anmodningen om uopsættelig forhandling.
I therefore table the procedural motion that this item be inserted into the agenda after Item 315, Mr Delatte's report on isoglucose.
Hr. formand, hvis tolkningen stemmer og formanden for retsudvalget virkelig har appeleret til mig personligt og sagt, at min stillingtagen er en forudgribelse af en negativ stillingtagen, så vil jeg gerne dertil sige . . .
On the one hand there is the commitment under Protocol 19, which must of course be fulfilled.
Den franske regering har absolut ikke rene hænder i denne affære, tværtimod.
On the other hand, this involves only one alcoholic drink, exports of which are to be given special treat ment, whereas there are scores of other alcoholic drinks which are produced in the EEC and partly exported, just as whisky is.
Den var med til at over række den kongelige gavepakke til fru Thatcher og samtidig har den foreslået en 50 % stigning af alkoholbeskatning i Frankrig.
My group appreciates that many people involved in this matter want this special arrangement for whisky to be incorporated into the proposed general Community arrangement for the alcohol market, and we also appreciate the views of the Committee on Agriculture, which have just been expressed by Mr Früh.
Sir James Scott-Hopkins har ordet for den europæiske demokratiske gruppe.
President. — I call Mr Davignon.
Når vi i dag modsætter os en forholdsregel, nemlig disse udligningsbeløb, der absolut ikke kan retfardiggøres, er det fordi vi forsvarer de franske alkohol producenters interesser.
Mr Davignon, Member of the Commission. — (F) Mr President, can I just say a word to Mr Pranchère?
De smukke ord får os ikke til at glemme de hårde slag, som de er blevet tildelt her af whiskyfabrikanternes lobbyvirksomehd.
Parliament knows full well that the only reason I am speaking today is because Mr Gundelach can no longer do so.
(Bifald fra det yderste venstre)
(Sustained applause)
Formanden. — Jeg er sikker på, at der var tale om en misforståelse, og jeg troede, at jeg havde forklaret sagens sammenhæng.
Früh have major financial implications, I also suggest that the Committee on Budgets meet and produce an opinion, so that we have a solid basis for our debate.
Hr. Gautier har ordet til forretningsordenen.
appear before the military court in Thessaloniki.
Som De har set, er det et yderst kontroversielt emme og Parlamentet burde efter min mening debat tere det i dag gerne på aftenmødet og ikke i morgen, hvor de fleste medlemmer rejser hjem. Derfor vil jeg gerne i henhold til forretningsordenen foreslå, at dette punkt kommer ind efter punkt 315, det vil sige , hr. Delattes betænkning om isoglukose.
This young man, who doctors have said has suffered from a serious psycho-neurotic disorder ever since his childhood, is still being held in this mediaeval prison.
Formanden. — Fristen for ændringsforslag til denne tekst kan sættes til kl. 14.00 i eftermiddag, og emnet kan indføjes på dagsordenen for fredag.
President. — Mr Früh, it is not our responsibility collectively to decide when committees can meet. Under Rule 39, the committee shall meet when convened by its chairman.
Er der nogen indvendinger?
President.
Parlamentet ved udmærket, hvorfor jeg har taget ordet i dag. Det er udelukkende fordi min kollega, hr. Gundelach, ikke kunne gøre det, og Parlamentet har givetvis bemærket sig målet for hr. Pranchères takt fulde angreb.
I can assure you that when I was looking into the matter yesterday, I asked to be put through to the responsible Greek minister, Mr Averof, the Minister of Defence, who telephoned us this morning to say that there was no-one by the name of Christos Nounis.
Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne som næstformand for landbrugsudvalget sige følgende: Vi har besluttet at efterkomme anmodningen om uopsættelig forhandling, men der foreligger ingen betænkning.
This is an important subject, and I myself was involved in getting a law in Greece — since the matter had been taken before the Council of Europe — despite the provisions of the Greek Constitution and despite the opposition of the Greek Church, which has made sacrifices on the subject of military service, since even our priests fought and were tortured and hanged in the Greek wars of independence.
Ja, jeg tror, at der er god grund til at vi finder ud af, hvem der er europæer og hvem der ikke er.
This is therefore a serious matter which, in the final analysis, concerns the reputation of Greece and the Greek Government.
Formanden. — Afstemningen vil blive foretaget ved navneopråb, og vi vil derfor bruge det elektroniske afstemningsanlæg.
Mrs Van den Heuvel. — (NL) Mr President, the motion for a resolution with request for urgent debate which has been tabled by myself and some of my colleagues concerns the case of the 21-year-old Greek conscientious objector Christos Nounis.
Formanden. — Hr. Früh, det er ikke op til os kollektivt at beslutte, hvornår udvalgene skal mødes.
On 21 December 1977 he was summoned to appear before the call-up board, and because of his state of health he was exempted provisionally for two years.
Vi går nu over til anmodningen om uopsættelig forhandling af forslag til beslutning fremsat af fru van den Heuvel og andre (dok.
He had to report to his unit on 4 April 1980 — I would ask Members to note the date — and Nounis asked for a doctor, but his request was refused.
1-796/80) om Christos Nounis som er militærnægter af samvittighedsgrunde.
He was ordered to put on a uniform, but Nounis, who is a Jehovah's Witness, refused to do so.
Hr. formand, man har på det groveste draget min hæderlighed i tvivl, og jeg vil derfor gerne understrege, at jeg ærer og højagter kommissær Gundelachs minde.
For those Members who are inter ested, I have here a photocopy of the relevant decision, numbered 597 and dated 18 April 1980.
(') Det endelig resultat af afstemningerne ved navneopråb fremgår af protokol lerne.
He was again arrested and detained in a fort originally built by the Turks and now used as a civilian prison.
(Høje tilråb)
(Applause from the centre and the right)
Vi har udstedt en lov, ifølge hvilken de undtagelsesvis kan aftjene deres værnepligt i hjælpetjenesten. Men i dette tilfælde er deres tjenestetid dobbelt så lang som den normale militærtjenestes.
President. — I call Mr Klepsch to speak on behalf of the Group of the European People's Party (ChristianDemocratic Group).
Mange har accepteret det, andre accepterer ikke og vil slet ikke gøre nogen tjeneste.
Moreover, the subject of conscientious objectors is already being studied by the Legal Affairs Commit tee.
Vi sender dem til fængslerne ude på landet, hvor de, ifølge loven, arbejder halvdelen af tjeneste tiden.
I therefore recommend that urgent procedure be rejected.
Hvordan er det derfor muligt, at sådanne ting bliver sagt?
(Parliament rejected the request for urgent procedure)
Sagen er derfor meget alvorlig, og den vedrører til syvende og sidst både mit lands og min regerings anseelse.
Mr Klepsch. — (D) The great majority of Members in my group feel that, in this case as in all other similar cases, the competent committee is the only body which can study all the points which have been raised here.
Af den grund anmoder jeg om, at sagen ikke behandles som uopsættelig, således at vi også kan skaffe skriftlige elementer, i forbindelse med det, jeg har sagt.
We fail to understand why this problem should be discussed under urgent procedure in the plenary sitting, and we shall therefore be voting against urgent procedure.
(Bifald fia midten og fia højre side)
(Applause from the centre and the right)
Den 19. april — altså femten dage senere — blev han løsladt og kasseret til militærtjeneste.
President. — I call Mr Fergusson to speak on behalf of the European Democratic Group.
Jeg har her af hensyn til de medlemmer, der er interesseret deri, vedlagt en fotokopi af beslutningen herom, som bærer nr. 597 og er dateret den 18. april 1980.
Mr Hume. — Mr President, I ask the House to support the request for urgent procedure on this resolution because the decision of the Irish Rugby Football Union to tour South Africa was only recently taken, and if the opinion of this House is to have any effect then it should be given immediately.
Dernæst sendes han hjem med tallet 15.
I would point out that this tour has been condemned both by the Irish Government in the Republic of Ireland, and by the British Government in Northern Ireland, and among the signatories to this resolution are all 15 Members from the Republic of Ireland: every single Member of the European Parliament from the Member State concerned has signed this resolution, thereby underlining the strength of feeling that obtains in Ireland itself on this issue.
Ikke desto mindre bliver Nounis den 6. august 1980 — altså et par måneder senere — afhørt af politiet og den 30. august 1980 stillet for krigsrådet.
We should be under no illusions as to the use which the regime in South Africa makes of tours such as this to bolster up their vicious system of apartheid; neither should we be under any illusions as to how that system invades sport itself in that country.
Han bliver så igen sat i arrest og indespærret i et i sin tid af tyrkerne opført fort, der anvendes som civilt fængsel. Den 13. oktober 1980 modtog Nounis en indstævning for krigsrådet i Thessalonike.
Of course we all, as different nations, have different attitudes towards conscientious objection, and I fully commend the attitude taken by my own country; but I would like to say this, that at a time when the trend in the matter of conscientious objection in Greece is towards liberalism, I think this motion is thoroughly unfriendly and unfortunate.
Hans sag kom for den 12. november 1980 og den militære auditør krævede — De vil ikke tro det — en fængselsstraf på 8 år. Dommen lød: en fængselsstraf på 4 år.
We oppose urgent procedure not least because the justification in no way argues that the question, if valid, should be taken tomorrow rather than at any other time.
Denne unge mand, hvorom længerne har erklæret, at han siden sin ungdom har lidt af svære psykiske og neurotiske for styrrelser, opholder sig i øjeblikket i dette middel alderlige fængsel.
I would add that I should have thought that in this case the Court of Justice was a more proper forum for the matter to be raised in.
Vi forstår overhovedet ikke, hvorfor dette problem skal gøres til genstand for uopsættelig forhandling i plenum, og vi vil derfor stemme imod anmodningen.
A decision by this Parliament that this is a matter for urgent debate will be ample demonstration of the strength of European feeling on this issue and will, perhaps, have the positive effect of having this tour cancelled.
(Bifald fia midten og fia højre)
(Applause from certain quarters on the left)
Jeg kan forsikre Dem, at i går, da jeg fik meddelelse om sagen, søgte jeg at komme i forbindelse med den kompetente ansvarlige grænske minister, hr. Averof, forsvarsministeren, som nu til morgen har meddelt os telefonisk, at navnet Christos Nounis ikke eksisterer.
Mr Haagerup. — (DK) I can be very brief, Mr President, since we feel that we cannot express an opinion on this whole question of conscientious objectors on
Formanden. — Hr. Fergusson har ordet for den europæiske demokratiske gruppe.
O'Leary outraged at the way in which the gentlemen's agree ment between the groups in this House is being broken so blatantly this week.
Man skal ikke gøre sig nogen illusioner om det syd afrikanske regime, når det drejer sig om at benytte den slags ture til at afstive og pynte på deres skændige apartheidsystem, og man skal heller ikke gøre sig nogen illusioner om, at dette system ikke berører sporten i dette land.
invitation to tour South Africa is, as Mr John Hume said, in direct conflict with the Irish Government's frequently repeated condemnation of the apartheid practices of the South African regime.
Hr. formand, det er ganske under ligt, efter hvad hr. Glinne netop har sagt, at alt hvad jeg har været i stand til at finde fra uafhængige kilder om denne sag, viser at oplysningerne således som de er fremlagt i forslaget til beslutning og i begrundelsen for uopsættelig forhandling enten er vildledende eller simpelthen forkerte, inklusive navnet på den omtalte militærnægter, og den person der skulle være faldet dom over.
More particularly the tour will encourage those directly responsible within South Africa for the discriminatory organization of sport within that country. Until the South African authorities banish all racial discrimination within their own borders, the athletic unions of democratic States should be vigilant in ensuring that they give no support by any action of theirs to the perpetuation of racial discrimination within the country.
Derfor bør vi benytte vor indflydelse som Parlament, til at forsøge at påvirke dem, der yder en eller anden støtte til dette regime, af hvad art den end måtte være og hvilke intentioner de end måtte have. Hvis Parlamentet beslutter at denne sag bør behandles uopsætte ligt, vil det være en overbevisende demonstration af at denne sag ligger os meget på hjerte her i Europa, og det ville måske kunne få den positive effekt at turen aflyses.
If every group followed the example of what one particular group has done this week, we would have 40 requests for urgent procedure and would be able to debate urgency and nothing else. This is why we reached this gentlemen's agreement.
(Bifald fia visse dele af venstrefløj)
(Applause from certain quarters on the left)
Vi stemmer imod uopsættelig forhandling ikke mindst fordi forslaget ikke inde holder nogen begrundelser for, at problemet, såfremt det overhovedet er et problem, bør behandles i morgen fremfor på noget andet tidspunkt.
Finally, Mr President, it is right that the voice of this Parliament should be heard on this matter since the significance of the visit cannot be confined to Ireland alone.
Besøget kan ikke betragtes som en udelukkende sportslig begivenhed, for ved at tage til Sydafrika vil det irske hold helt automatisk komme til af fungere som en godkendelse af den sydafrikanske apartheid.
Finally, let me point out that one typical case — this Parliament's stance on South Africa and racial discrimination — has already been agreed and clarified in numerous resolutions and debates in this House.