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Der blev truffet en fast aftale i Fontainebleau, og hvad angår Det forenede Kongerige står der udtryk keligt: »Der er indgået følgende aftale«, hvorefter det udtrykkeligt nævnes, at »hvad angår det beløb, der mangler i budgettet i år...«.
B. taking note of the speech made before the European Parliament on 24 May 1984 by Mr François Mitterrand, President of the European Council, and the debates on the subject of the draft Treaty on European Union in the Italian and Belgian Parliaments, the Bundestag, the Danish Parliament and within the delegations responsible for Community matters in the French National Assembly and Senate;
Marshall. — (EN) Hr. formand, sir Peter Vanneck og jeg tilhører begge et erhverv, hvis motto er »Dictum meum pactum«.
The other motions for resolutions on this subject accordingly fall.
Formanden. — Undskyld, hr. Balfe, men jeg ser, at en række medlemmer er ved at forlade mødesalen. Jeg tillader mig at gøre opmærksom på, at den samlede afstemning endnu ikke har fundet sted.
C. pending the forthcoming debates in those national parliaments which have not yet expressed their views on this subject;
Jeg er bange for, at den finansielle mistillid, som ved tagelsen af ændringsforslag nr. 7 har skabt, både bringer dette Fællesskabs fremtid i fare og får mig til at spekulere på, om ikke medlemmerne af Parlamentet længes efter døden.
(Applause) calls on the Heads of State or Government of the Member States of the European Com munity to appoint as soon as possible their representatives on the ad hoc Committee on Institutional Affairs and calls on this com mittee to use as a basis for its work the draft Treaty establishing the European Union adopted by Parliament on 14 February 1984;
Balfe. — (EN) Jeg fortsætter.
BARBARELLA MOTION FOR A RESOLUTION (DOC.
For så vidt angår det manglende beløb i dette års budget nævnede Fontainebleau-aftalen, jeg citerer: »Der vil blive truffet for anstaltninger på næste samling i Rådet af budgetministre for at løse dette problem«.
2-377/84/REV.: COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY AS REGARDS THE BUDGET): ADOPTED requests the Council to involve the European Parliament closely with the work of this com mittee and calls on its President and the President of the Council to decide on the form this collaboration should take;
Disse foranstaltninger er ved at blive truffet.
HOFF MOTION FOR A RESOLUTION (DOC.
Det er virkelig absurdt, når hr. de la Malene siger, at de franske landmænds ubegrænsede krav om flere penge skal imødekommes af Fællesskabets skatteydere.
Lord Douro. — Mr President, there are two amend ments tabled to this resolution which seek to overturn the established practice and procedure of this European Parliament.
Det er stadig muligt for Parlamentet at overveje sin stilling, for hvis det forkaster dette beslutningsforslag, vil overførslen blive foretaget.
Mr Glinne. — (FR) The text we agreed on says, 'by national parliaments', not 'by the'.
Jeg mener, at Parlamentet ved at vedtage dette æn dringsforslag og måske og så denne beslutning her i formiddag gør sig selv en bjørnetjeneste, og Europa en bjørnetjeneste.
President. — I fail, I must say, to see the importance of this distinction, but I meant to say, 'by national parliaments'.
Surra. — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, der er ingen, som mere end vi ønsker, at Fontainebleau aftalen bliver gennemført.
For many years, the Committee on Budgets has had delegated authority to decide on transfers out of Chapter 100 onto the spending lines.
Det beløb, der blev aftalt for Storbritannien på det europæiske topmøde, vil blive udbetalt — og jeg anvender fremtidsformen.
There are two amendments — one of which I am in fact in favour of, but it is the same principle — namely, Amendment No 1 and Amendment No 7, both of which seek to establish that the full Parliament should have the right to take back from the Committee on Budgets the authority to decide on transfers.
Formanden. — Hr. Bombard, i en sag af så stor betydning som denne mener jeg, at det er godt, at medlemmerne får lov til at udtrykke sig.
Therefore, on a point of order, I propose to you that Amendments Nos 1 and 7 are inadmissible and are out or order.
I dette beslutningsforslag bekræftes princippet for denne be taling.
These two amendments are accordingly admissible.
Ved at ophidse Deres folk mod Europa opnår De, at kun 30% stemmer ved valget til Europa-Parlamentet.
Mr Balfe. — Mr President, I hope that you will find it possible to support the point that has been made by Lord Douro.
I stedet burde De vise Deres folk, at vi har accepteret princippet, og at det er Deres regering, der forkaster og forråder ånden fra Fontainebleau ved at nægte at gå med til det tillægsbudget, vi har brug for.
I would stress that the only purpose that I and my friends had in tabling this amendment was to make sure that in the event of your not accepting that point of order an amendment was before the House which would enable a decision to be made which was acceptable to my friends and myself.
der Fontainebleaus forudsætning, nemlig at man enes om økonomien for fremtiden i Parlamentet.
President. — I thank Lady Elles, who will recall that this matter was raised in the Bureau.
Lad os så i Fontainebleaus ånd og i fortsættelse af drøftelsen af den irske premierministers redegørelse blive enige om at give englænderne den tilbagebetaling, som statscheferne blev enige om.
The Bureau decided — unanimously, I think — to distribute the letter in question to all Members of Parliament as a working document for their information, and this, I believe, has been done.
Er der foregået tekniske fejl, så lad os slå en streg over det.
Everyone is therefore acquainted with this letter, but I cannot permit a debate to be started on the substance of the matter.
Vores sag er at åbne døren og skabe nye muligheder.
I for my part consider the amendments to be admissible.
Derfor vil jeg, selv om min regerings og hr. Brøndlund Nielsens interesser måske er anderledes, stemme imod dette forslag til beslutning. ning.
In this way, everything is, I think, perfectly clear.
Men vi håber, at De atter vil bringe Europa på rette spor i ånden fra Fontainebleau ved at gå med til nye egne indtægter og ved at gå med til et tillægsbudget. Og når Fontainebleauaftalen først er blevet over holdt, vil De også modtage, hvad der tilkommer Dem.
I believe that the precedents established and the Rules are quite clear, that both of these amendments are out of order and that if a ruling is given in another direction, we shall be setting a precedent which overturns many years of work within this Parliament.
Det vil for vor gruppes vedkommende sige, som det også fremgår af ändringsförslagets tekst — vi kunne måske have formuleret den bedre, men det var der ikke tid til — at vi vil gå med til bevillingsoverførslen, lige så snart der er truffet de nødvendige beslutninger til dækning af budgetunderskuddet i 1984. Det betyder, at vor afgørelse her ikke har nogen tilbagevirkende kraft.
Mr Pfennig. — (DE) Like you, Mr President, I regard Amendment No 7 as admissible, because it conforms to the procedure agreed upon in 1978 by the Chair man of the Committee on Budgets and the President of the European Parliament and there is a letter along these lines from the Chairman of the Committee on Budgets, dated 18 July.
Brøndlund Nielsen. — Jeg vil stemme for denne be slutning efter vedtagelsen af hr. Pfennigs ændringsforslag.
President. — I am sorry, but I am perfectly familiar with the substantive points and the points of method that have been raised.
Jeg synes, at Parlamentet dermed går ind for en helhedspolitik i overensstemmelse med de forhåbninger, der kom frem på baggrund af resultatet i Fontainebleau.
For my part, I consider the tabling of these amendments to be in order and that, from the point of view of form, they cannot be declared inadmissible on the grounds of any practices that may have been followed in the past.
Desværre har det på rådsmødet siden vist sig ikke helt at holde stik.
It is for the Parliament to accept them or reject them.
Vi har fuld forståelse for, at vore britiske kolleger be kymret spørger, om dette måske er indledningen til en tilbageholdelse af den lovede bevillingsoverførsel.
For our group, this means, as can be seen from the wording of the amendment, that the transfer of appropriations will be approved when measures to cover the budgetary requirements for 1984 have been taken so as to assure the normal working of the Community.
Dette er ikke tilfældet.
That was the decision taken at Fontainebleau.
F.eks. påstår man, at en forsamling — altså Parlamentet — der har delegeret en myndighed, ikke kan ændre en sådan beslutning. Det er dog ganske elementær jura, at det kan den.
Lady Elles. — Mr President, I would just like to clarify the point raised by Mr Langes, who quite rightly said that there was a letter concerning this decision.
De har truffet en afgørelse, som har ændret Parlamentets hævdvundne praksis. Hr. Brøndlund Nielsen har ganske ret, når han siger, at Parlamentet kan bestemme, hvad det vil, og, når det har delegeret en myndighed, kan ændre en sådan beslutning, dersom det ønsker det.
It is perfectly clear in the text of this letter that the decision was taken properly in due and legal form, by 20 votes to zero with two abstentions, and all that the committee required was that, in view of the import ance of the matter, Parliament should take note of the committee's decision.
Møller. — Jeg må beklage over for hr. Brøndlund Nielsen, at jeg ikke er helt enig med ham.
Mr Prout. — Mr President, you have made a very important procedural ruling.
Vi tog jo alle hertil i mandags i troen på, at nu havde vi fået løst disse budgetproblemer, nu havde Fontainebleau endelig lukket op, så vi kunne komme videre med det europæiske samarbejde, nu havde vi fået krisen om de engelske budgetproblemer overstået.
It is a ruling which could have dramatic political implications. I think it is important that the House understands the basis on which you have made this ruling, because it is quite clear from the Bureau minutes of 15 June 1978 that Parliament has delegated a power to the Committee on Budgets to decide on a transfer.
I min tale i onsdags hilste jeg Fontainebleau-forliget med glæde og sagde: nu er vi kommet videre, nu er der åbnet en dør, så vi kan udvikle det europæiske samarbejde.
As Lady Elles rightly pointed out to you, in the preamble to the five decisions of the Committee on Budgets made on 12 July, it states: 'The Budget Committee finally agreed to approve . ..'.
Det var noget, De personligt afgjorde.
There is no other inference in that letter.
Og De af gjorde det på et tidspunkt, hvor der var en krise i for samlingen, ja faktisk i hele Fællesskabet, i en meget spændt atmosfære, hvor en meget stor sum penge stod på spil, og på et tidspunkt, hvor der skete et
I would therefore support Lord Douro and Mr Balfe in saying that either you accept that these two amendments are inadmissible or they are totally irrelevant to the consti
Pearce beslutning ikke giver nogen mening uden punkt 2.
It is a tradition in all democratic countries that you do not legislate retrospectively.
Jeg undrer mig derfor over, at vi har vedtaget den.
It is inherent in the European Convention on Human Rights, and that Convention is enshrined in the jurisprudence of the European Court.
alvorligt brud mellem to af Parlamentets grupper, som vil vare i årevis.
(Laughter) agreement reached at Fontainebleau.
Det ville faktisk være bedre, hr. formand, om De i fremtiden advarede Parlamentet, når De agter at ændre hævdvunden praksis.
The rebate we are talking about is due to the United Kingdom — long overdue.
Man kan i øvrigt undre sig over, hvad den mon kan finde på at sige til den sovjetiske regering nu, da hovedforslaget, hr. Formigonis store fund, er blevet forkastet af Parlamentet.
For a decision of this Parliament to contradict such a fundamental precedent of democratic societies would be very damaging to the work that we are attempting to do.
Denne procedure, denne mangelfulde dialog, denne forkastelse af ændringsforslag, det er ikke seriøst!
So I do implore you, Mr President, to reconsider your decision.
Formanden. — Nej, jeg vil ikke henvise sagen til udvalget for forretningsordenen og for andragender.
President. — I should like to reply briefly to Mr Prout, who asks me on what basis I have made my ruling.
Formanden. — Det er en opfattelse, ikke alle vil dele!
The President shall decide whether amendments are admissible.
Derimod vil jeg underrette præsidiet om de bemærkninger, De lige har fremført, og præsidiet vil tage stilling hertil.
So, we in the United Kingdom are being invited to provide the money to pay our own rebate back to ourselves.
FORSLAG TIL BESLUTNING AF FORMIGONI (Dok. 2-379/84/rett. »SAKHAROV«)
So much for the Rules of Procedure.
Segre. — (IT) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne opfordre hr. Formigoni og medunderskriverne af dette beslutningsforslag til at gøre sig klart, hvad det er for en situation, der her er opstået.
Lord Douro. — Mr President, this is a very sad day for members of this group.
Da punkt 2 er blevet forkastet — og jeg mener med god grund — forstår jeg ikke, hvordan punkt 3 kan blive stående, og hvilken betydning det har.
We began the second directlyelected European Parliament with an alliance on the centre and centre-right of this Parliament. . .
Pannella. — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg skal herved med dele Dem, at direktøren for den tjenestegren, der er ansvarlig for disse spørgsmål, lige har meddelt os, at den oplysning, De gav os, ikke var korrekt, nemlig at ændringsforslag normalt anbringes i medlemmernes bokse.
The reason is that in my view, whatever argument may be drawn from a position taken by the former Committee on Budgets — incidently, very recently: in fact, it was last week — it is not for me to express any views on the matter.
Det er ikke tilfældet.
In the end, it is always the House that is sovereign.
De må undskylde, men Parlamentet har truffet sin afgørelse.
(Interjection: 'Some alliance!')
Men for at man kan hente dem, må man vide, at de findes.
. . . and that alliance has failed in the first week.
Vi bør altså nu, i dette øjeblik, alle gå hen og hente dem, hvad der er umuligt.
It is in every respect a disgraceful decision of this House.
Squarcialupi. — (IT) Jeg mener, at formanden ikke burde have tilladt en afstemning om punkt 3, efter at punkt 2 var blevet forkastet.
I am sorry to have to disagree, for once, with Mr Prout.
Der er måske tale om en fejltagelse, men da den nu engang er begået, mener jeg, at man burde rette den.
I believe that leaving this matter to the Parliament's decision is in conformity with the Rules of Procedure, at all events with the principles of democracy and, may I add, with the principles of human rights, . . .
Jeg har omdelt mit ændringsfroslag nr. 2 til hr. Formigonis beslutningsforslag.
... to which I, for my part, attach very great import ance.
Denne beslutning, der er den første handling af et parlamentsmedlem, der skal være formand for det politiske udvalg, indeholder så mange fejl, at jeg me ner, det ville være bedre, om det ikke kom videre; den bør ikke komme videre for ikke at demonstrere, hvor uovervejet og demagogisk visse spørgsmål bliver behandlet.
It has introduced retrospectivity into the way we conduct our affairs, and I am amazed that every single Member of this House is not ashamed of the introduction of that element, which particularly parties on this side of the House should never ever condone.
Formanden. — Hr. Pannella, De var allerede medlem af Parlamentet i forrige valgperiode.
Everyone in this House can therefore make a clear decision with full knowledge of the facts.
Det betyder dog efter min mening ikke, at disse metoder er perfekte.
This, I remind the House, is the 1983 refund for the United Kingdom.
Jeg vil undersøge mulighederne for at for bedre dem, så at alle vore kolleger disponerer over de tekster, de skal udtale sig om.
It was agreed, as Mrs Castle has said, at Stuttgart last year under the chairmanship of Chancellor Kohl of the Federal Republic.
Men spørgsmålet er ret vanskeligt; jeg håber, vi kan finde en god løsning.
How ironic it is that his party is the party that has introduced today this amendment!
(Beslutningsforslaget vedtoges) (')
Explanations of vote
Pannella. — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg har bedt om ordet til forretningsordenen, da jeg mener, at denne
Mrs Castle. — Mr President, the adoption of Amend ment No 7 this morning shows how hollow is the
Men jeg mener dog, at beslutningen rent bortset fra denne afgørelse, som jeg må gentage, at jeg finder overraskende, og som mange kolleger vil grunde længe over, har en vis betydning i sig selv...
The United Kingdom's stance in the Council of Ministers on the supplementary budget for 1984 has already reduced the Commission's demands from 2.6 billion to 1.3 billion, when they originally said that 2.6 billion was the absolute minimum they required. That shows
Formanden. — Hr. Formigoni, det er ikke muligt at indlede en drøftelse om en afstemning, som har fundet sted.
What the European Parliament has done today has made it almost impossible for the United Kingdom now to agree to extra financing for 1984 or to consider at this stage any increase in the Community's own resources.
Der vil være andre lejligheder, hvor De vil kunne udtrykke Deres mening om denne afstemning. Jeg kan ikke tillade, at der indledes nogen debat her om.
That is the full implication of what the European Parliament has decided today by its vote on Amendment No 7.
De har ikke længere ordet.
(Applause from the European Democratic Group)
Banotti. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne gøre Dem opmærksom på et rent formelt spørgsmål.
It is really absurd for Mr de Malène to say that the unlimited demand of French farmers for more money has to be met by Community taxpayers.
Under min tale i går sagde mødeformanden, at irsk ikke var et af Fællesskabets officielle sprog.
There has to come a time when the demand of farmers for more cash has to be restricted.
Jeg så gerne, at formanden gjorde det klart, at irsk rent faktisk er et af Fællesskabets officielle sprog, om end det ikke er et ar bejdssprog.
I am afraid that the Community taxpayers and the Community consumers believe that that time has now come.
de Courcy Ling. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg vil blot sige til Dem, at jeg ønsker Dem en virkelig god ferie, for jeg mener, at vi alle her i centrum-højre er meget glade for, at vi støttede Dem ved formandsvalget.
I believe that in passing this amendment and possibly passing this resolution this morning, the House is doing a disservice to itself and a disservice to the cause of Europe.
Vi beundrer den måde, hvorpå De har klaret Deres første embedsuge, og i parentes bemærket må jeg sige, at til trods for de ret ophidsede følelser, der kom til udtryk her i formiddag, er jeg personlig fuldt overbevist om — og det er dårlige nyheder for vore mod standere — at flertalskoalitionen vil holde.
I believe it is quite absurd for the House a few minutes ago to ask for action on the Spinelli report and then to behave in a way like this, because passing Amendment No 7 is merely manna to antimarketeers in the United Kingdom and does nothing whatsoever for the cause of Europe.
Formanden. — Jeg tager Deres bemærkning til efter retning, fru Banotti.
Mr de la Malène. — (FR) Mr President, without wishing to dramatize the situation, I should like to tell our British friends very firmly that they must not pass the buck.
Ford. — (EN) Jeg vil gerne henvise til artikel 5 i for retningsordenen.
We have had the Fontainebleau agreement, during which the governments agreed upon the amount of Britain's rebates.
Et af medlemmerne af Parlamentet blev arresteret onsdag formiddag den 4. juli kl. 11.30, tilbragte syv timer i fængsel og blev anklaget for at lagt hindringer i vejen for landevejstrafikken.
In this agreement, there was a paragraph stating that the Council of Ministers would agree upon measures to fulfil the 1984 and 1985 'gap'.
Alt, hvad dette medlem gjorde, var at sidde i græsset og snakke med medlemmer af sin valgkreds om parlamentsanliggender. Han blev løsladt mod kaution og skal møde i retten den 1. oktober.
It was possible to think in all honesty that a bonafide agreement had been reached with the British Government, that the latter, having got what it wanted at Fontainebleau, was prepared, together with its part ners, to fill the 'gap' in the 1984 and 1985 budgets.
Pannella. — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg har bedt om ordet af samme grund, for at ønske Dem alt godt. Jeg må i øvrigt sige, at vi alle finder Dem i strålende form her ved afslutningen af vort arbejde. Jeg tror, at De vil være helt fantastisk i september, oven på en god som mer.
Mr Bombard. — (FR) On a point of order, Mr President: what are we listening to now? — Certainly not explanations of vote!
Tillad mig at tilføje, hr. formand, at jeg så meget desto mere ønsker Dem alt godt, som jeg — som bekendt — ikke var blandt dem, der stemte for Dem.
President. — Mr Bombard, in a matter whose import ance is recognized by everyone, I think the Members of this House should be given an opportunity to express their views.
Den tidligere formand for den socialistiske gruppe har skrevet til politimesteren i Merseyside om Leslie Huckfields sag og har anmodet om, at sagen ophæves, og jeg vil gerne anmode formanden om at gøre det samme på Europa-Parlamentets vegne.
Mr Balfe. — Mr President, I shall vote to reject the resolution, which will happen in a minute because it is an irresponsible resolution, it is possibly not even a legal resolution, because at another time I shall challenge your ruling on whether or not the amendments were admissible.
Det er utåleligt, at vi skal have en situation, hvor medlemmer af Parlamentet bliver arresteret under udøvelsen af deres funktioner, og det er vigtigt, at Parlamentet indtager en fast holdning i dette spørgsmål.
A firm agreement was made at Fontainebleau and, indeed, the words say, as far as the United Kingdom is concerned : 'The following agreement is adopted', and it is then spelled out.
Endnu en gang god ferie til alle, vi ses igen i september. ber.
'Whereas for the shortfall in the budget in this year . . .'
(') Erklæringer i artikel 49 — registret — Bevillingsoverførsler — Fremsendelse af de i mødeperioden vedtagne beslutningsforslag — tid og sted for næste møde: se protokollen.
It is therefore extremely desirable that, first of all, there should be no noise and, secondly, that as many people as possible should take part in the vote.
Formanden. — Den 4. juli udøvede det pågældende parlamentsmedlem ikke sine funktioner.
For those who need such a translation, which they should not in an international European Assem
Bestillinger kan afgives til Kontoret for De europæiske Fællesskabers officielle Publikationer. ner.
Orders may be placed with the Office for Official Publications of the European Communities.
Fuldstændigt referat af møderne fra den 11. til den 13. september 1984
1984-1985 Session Report of Proceedings from 11 to 13 September 1984
Mødet tirsdag den 11. september 1984
Sitting of Tuesday, 11 September 1984
Mødet onsdag den 12. september 1984
Sitting of Wednesday, 12 September 1984
MØDET TIRSDAG DEN 11. SEPTEMBER 1984
SITTING OF TUESDAY, 11 SEPTEMBER 1984
— Spørgsmål nr. 8 af Rogalla : Toldunionen nen
Question No 8, by Mr Rogalla: Customs Union:
— Spørgsmål nr. 9 af Welsh: National støtte
Question No 9, by Mr Welsh: National Aid:
Dalsager (Kommissionen), Dalsager
Mr Dalsager (Commission); Mr monds; Mr Dalsager
— Spørgsmål nr. 3 af Sir Perter Vanneck: Dumpning af affald i havet
Question No 3 by Sir Peter Vanneck: Dumping of waste at sea:
Kommissionens reaktion på Parlamentets udtalelser
Question No 11, by Mr Habsburg: Community funding for the Innkreis-Pyhrn motorway:
— Spørgsmål nr. 4 af Normanton: Europæiske borgeres ret til fast ejendom hvor som helst i EF
Question No 4, by Mr Normanton: Europeans owning property anywhere in the EEC:
— Spørgsmål nr. 6 af Quin : Britiske lokal myndigheders problemer i forbindelse med ansøgninger til EFs socialfond
Budget 1984 — Statements by the Council and Commission and report by Mrs Scrivener (Doc. 2­475/84)
Europa-Parlamentets forhandlinger
IN THE CHAIR: MR PFLIMLIN
FORSÆDE: PIERRE PFLIMLIN Formand
President