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Vi ved ganske vist, at Romtraktaten ikke i artikel 222 omtaler virksomhedernes retlige form.
Mr Andriessen, Member of the Commission. — (NL) Mr President, I should like to make just one observation in reaction to the point made by Parlia-
Det er sikkert det, formanden for Kommissionen ville sige, da han hævdede, at der ikke er noget uforeneligt mellem traktaten og nationaliseringer.
The EEC Commission and its officials have no right to participate in foreign policy cooperation between EEC foreign ministers if this authority has not been vested in them through the amendment of the Treaty of Rome or the adoption of a supplementary Treaty, and such an amendment will, according to Poul Dalsager, require a five-sixths majority in the Danish Parliament or a new referendum.
Men dette svar, som jeg ikke kan betragte som et svar fra den samlede Kommission, så længe lovforslaget ikke er endeligt vedtaget, skulle efter min mening have været suppleret med nogle nærmere forklaringer og med nogle advarsler.
Thus if Poul Dalsager wishes to have permission to become involved in the internal political affairs of a Member State, then he should inform his former colleagues in the Danish Govern ment that they should issue writs for a referendum, so that there can be legal, lawful endorsement of a foreign policy secretariat, of the EEC Commission's participation in EEC foreign policy, of the suspension of a security policy and the introduction of a 48-hour emergency procedure.
FORSÆDE: BASIL DE FERRANTI Næstformand
All sorts of movement are afoot in Europe.
Det undrer mig, at formanden for Kommissionen ikke i det mindste har givet udtryk for tvivl: artikel 7 forbyder enhver forskelsbehandling på grundlag af nationalitet.
The document refers to this fact and references have also been made in this debate.
Men som det klart bekræftes af lovforslaget, er hensigten kun at nationalisere de franske banker, og det er en forskelsbehandling, hvor Domstolens retspraksis altid har været konstant. Man kan også spørge sig selv, om der var grund til officielt at rådspørge Kommissionen under henvisning til artikel 100.
It strikes the Commission as vitally ifnportant that a dialogue should now be initiated in the course of which relations can gradually be improved by making the best possible use of the possibilities afforded by the Treaties and, in the longer term, obviously the possibilities afforded by a further development of the Treaties too and the Commission would be glad to take part in the activities developed by Parliament in this respect.
Delegationen, som ledes af fru Meier, skal drøfte forbindelserne til Europa-Parlamentet.
The Commission has now reacted to what was said on that occasion.
Hvad angår advarslerne, hr. formand, vil jeg på grund af tidnød begrænse mig til de to, der fore kommer mig mest indlysende.
The Commission has made its contribution here today and in the ensuing discussion, i.e. in the dialogue which is about to get underway, we can examine each other's proposals with a view to determining the best way of improving relations as far as possible.
Den første vedrører de altid mulige farer for handelsmonopoler, sådan som de er defineret i og forbudt ved artikel 37, farer der skal opfattes gennem varen og ikke gennem virksom heden, da monopolet kan have indflydelse på handelen mellem medlemslandene.
However, 'at the beginning of this dialogue, the views of the various interlocutors must be clear before they can be further conipared and discussed.
Vi håber virkelig, at arbejdsmøderne, som vor delegation, der ledes af fru Boot, skal deltage i, vil få et heldigt udfald og vil udmønte sig i tættere forbindelser og en åben og fortsat dialog.
At the end of his speech, he made a more general criticism of what, if I understood correctly, he takes to be a failure on the part of the Commission to meet the great challenges of the day.
Man må nemlig ved denne udvidelse af den offentlige sektor spørge sig selv, om ikke stats magten risikerer at segne under forsøget på at gribe ind i virksomhedernes dagligliv og derigennem for vride konkurrencen.
It is clear from the discussions we have had here today concerning the problems facing the steel and textile industries etc. that the Commission takes these matters seriously and knows how to adopt positions and draw up policies.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er anden del af spørgetiden (Dok. 1-568/81).
Mr Klepsch deplored the fact that this proposal does not contain any specific proposals for a new inter institutional agreement.
Israël. — (FR) Hr. formand, må jeg have lov til at henvise til artikel 44, stk. 2 i forretningsordenen, hvori der står, at »spørgsmålene indgives skriftligt til formanden, der afgør, om de kan stilles, og fast lægger rækkefølgen for behandling og emneopdeling«.
What this document does contain, however, is a statement to the effect that the Commission will take the initiative to get discussions on this question underway with a view to arriving at an agreement of this kind in effective consultation between the three' institutions, and I can assure him that this initiative will be taken in the near future.
Jeg sagde, hr. formand, at jeg ikke ville fremsætte forhåndskritik, men vi må alligevel konstatere, at i henhold til artikel 50 i lovforslaget skal alle banker, også de, der ikke er nationaliseret, underlægges kreditgivningsrådets og banktilsynets kompetence; derved får staten den stærkest mulige kontrol med hver banks politik, og dér er det, hr. formand, at vi kan være med i dagens debat, der først og fremmest drejer sig om national støtte.
He also asked the Commission to continue its work on this subject before the November debate and I can assure him that it will do so and I can at the same time assure Mr Arndt that insofar as the Commission has not already stated its point of view during the July debate — I am sure he will remember that I myself explained, on behalf of the Commission, our initial reactions to a number of suggestions from Parliament — it is obviously willing to go into the proposals contained in the report discussed in July in specific terms.
Hvad er egentlig stats støtte, der så ofte er tilfældig, fremkaldt af omstændighederne, ja af og til i øvrigt meget beskeden, i forhold til kreditgivningens smarte, selektive og effektive funktion?
However, I repeat that a wide range of subjects were discussed at the July debate, and in particular the subject he has just mentioned, i.e. the question of what the Commission does with opinions of this Parliament, and our President has just explained his point of view quite clearly once more. We take due note of this and we attach great importance to it.
Kære kolleger, er vi ikke i færd med at jagte skinnet ved at foregive, at vi ikke kender den bagved liggende virkelighed?
However, the automatic process, as it were, which the President has just mentioned would be impossible without fundamentally affecting the Commission's own responsibility.
Hvad angår spørgsmålene til udenrigsministrene, er de i denne artikel omhandlede betingelser ikke blevet overholdt.
Mr President, I was very interested to hear what Mr Bangemann had to say.
De skulle have været inddelt efter deres emne.
His first contribution to our debate was also very promising.
Men man må desværre konstatere, at opdelingen er sket på må og få.
He drew attention to a number of vital points which also relate to the task which the Commission has been set or might set itself.
Jeg foreslår, hr. formand, for ikke kun at fremsætte kritik, at vi behandler de spørgsmål, der er stillet til udenrigsministrene, i følgende orden:
We have taken careful note of his points and would be only too glad to return to them in a constructive spirit during the November debate.
For det første: spørgsmålene vedrørende Øst-Vest forbindelserne og det politiske samarbejde, det vil sige spørgsmål nr. 67 af Berkhouwer, spørgsmål nr. 69 af Schinzel, spørgsmål nr. 83, spørgsmål nr. 81 af Lomas, spørgsmål nr. 82 af lady Elles og spørgsmål nr. 86 af Cluskey.
Clearly, the Commission is under an obligation by virtue of the Rules of Proce dure of this Parliament and it reaffirmed this fact once more today — even if it was not totally clear whether the Commission had already expressed its views on the question put on the basis of a specific amendment.
For det andet spørgsmålene vedrørende menneskerettighederne og udviklingen: spørgsmål nr. 66 af Lalor, nr. 68 af Boyes, nr. 71 af Seligman, nr. 72 af Ewing, nr. 74 af Collins, nr. 75 af Prag, nr. 76 af Castle, nr. 79 af Blaney ...
The Commission intends to adhere to this provision contained in the Rules of Procedure as I myself promised on behalf of the Commission when the Rules of Procedure were being discussed here, and Parliament will remember that this provision has already been applied in practice on a number of occasions.
Hr. formand, jeg vil slutte en tale, der nødvendigvis måtte blive kort, med at sige, at da man ikke har stemt om lovforslaget endnu, kan vi i dag åbne debatten og åbne den på baggrund af den tanke, som vi i fremtiden skal gøre os om et fundamentalt spørgsmål: på hvilket niveau i udvidelsen af den offentlige sektor begynder der at ske en forvridning af Romtraktatens økonomiske filosofi?
I am thinking, for example, of a well-known instance, i.e. when we were discussing transport and the question of excise duties for which a solution was found in the context of this concertation, if I may refer to it in this way.
Det er en traktat, der er bygget på markedsøkonomien; altså, hvor langt kan angrebene på ejendomsretten, stats indgrebene, monopoliseringen af kreditgivningen gå?
We are decidedly in favour of a dialogue on these questions and I agree with Mr de la Malène that procedures alone are not enough and that obviously there must also be the necessary political will and scope for the development of policy.
Det er spørgsmål, som vi, efterhånden som tiden går og begivenhederne sker, bliver nødt til at forstå.
However, if what Parliament itself stated so emphatically at its debate in
Formanden. — På grund af det fremskredne tids punkt må vi på ny afbryde denne fælles drøftelse; den vil blive fortsat i morgen.
He promised to make his own contribution in more specific
Præsidiet og formanden har truffet beslutning om at behandle spørgsmålene til udenrigsministrene i politisk samarbejde i streng kronologisk orden.
The Bill which is currently being debated in France does not ignore the Treaty of Rome, does not distort competition and does not limit the right of establish ment — I am quoting virtually verbatim the Commissioner's words this morning.
Præsidiet vil tage hensyn til det, De netop har fremført, når det for fremtiden skal drøfte spørgetiden.
There was no question of anything other being the case: the Socialists have always been Europeans.
Vil formanden for Rådet være så venlig at forklare mig, hvordan han kan bringe sit svar på mit spørgsmål i overensstemmelse med Thatcher-regeringens indbydelse til at komme til England?
In my view these insinuations are quite groundless and I would like the Commission to make that clear.
Spørgsmål nr. 66 af Lalor (H-347/81):
I bumped into him in an out-of-the-way corner of this Parliament in a different guise (laughter).
Er det lykkedes for udenringsministrene forsamlet med henblik på det politiske samarbejde at oprette nyttige forbindelser med organisationen for afrikansk enhed, og er der efter deres opfattelse noget, der lover i retning af nye fredsinitiativer fra denne organisation i Afrika efter dens årlige konference i juni i år?
I hope, therefore, that I will be able to make it still clearer that, as regards cooperation with this Parliament, the Commission does not wish to exhibit a lack of drive but quite the opposite in those areas where the relations between the institutions can be improved.
Hurd. — (EN) Det ærede medlem må selv tage ansvaret for de adjektiver, han bruger, uden at sætte mig i forbindelse med dem.
It has also been said that the nationalization which is currently under discussion will create monoplies or at least dominant positions in the market.
Jeg mener ikke, at hans tillægsspørgsmål er et emne, der vedrører formandsskabet, men måske kan jeg som britisk minister svare, at det besøg, han refererer til, tydeligvis ikke er hemmeligt, for ellers ville han ikke stille spørgsmål om det.
The industrial groups are to be nationalized in their present from, without mergers or concentration.
Der er tale om en ganske normal forbindelse, og hvis vi skal gøre os håb om at udøve nogen som helst indflydelse på den chilenske regering i den retning, det ærede medlem går ind for, så er det naturligvis af væsentlig betydning at opretholde forbindelser af denne art.
To say that this would result in a monopoly is no more than to recognize that the predecessors of the Socialist government allowed monopolies and dominant situations to be set up in France without being able to control them. If that is what they mean, then why don't they say so?
Hurd, formand for Rådet af udenrigsministre. — (EN) De Ti følger naturligvis opmærksomt de beslutninger, organisationen for afrikansk enhed træffer, men har ingen formelle forbindelser med den.
People also say that government aid will be extended because broadening the public sector always means extending government aid. That too, is bad faith — the bad faith of people who have freely nationalized losses but never touched a profit.
De Ti glæder sig over alle de beslutninger, som bidrager til politisk stabilitet på det afrikanske kontinent, inklusive dem, der for nylig blev truffet om Vest-Sahara og om betingelserne for genoprettelse af freden i Tchad.
What we are doing today is to nationalize companies which can make profits for all of the citizens of France and of Europe.
Boyes. — (EN) Lad nu være med at spille dum!
Instead, the document was intended to embody a political commitment.
Formanden. — Da spørgeren ikke er til stede, vil spørgsmål nr. 67 blive besvaret skriftligt (').
President. — The debate on this item is now closed.
Spørgsmål nr. 69 af Schinzel (H-389/
Lastly, transparency.
Spørgsmål nr. 68 af Boyes (H-376/81):
(continuation)
Hurd, formand for Rådet af udenrigsministre. — (EN) De Tis udenrigsministre deler det ærede medlems bekymring over den utilfredsstillende situation i Chile med hensyn til menneskerettighederne og de demokratiske frihedsrettigheder.
President. — I call the Group of the European People's Party (Christian Democratic Group).
Boyes. — (EN) Det fremgår klart, at hr. Hurd er enig med mig i, at dette er et af de mest afskyelige regimer, der findes i verden for øjeblikket. Men så vil jeg gerne bede ham forklare, hvorfor den chilenske
Mr d'Ormesson. — (FR) We are deceiving ourselves, Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, if we say that the French bill relating to the nationalization of French banks — whose activity, in the very nature of things, affects the whole range of our economic life — is
Schinzel. — (DE) Hr. minister, er De ikke enig med mig i, at EF-traktaterne ikke udelukker muligheden for at behandle sikkerhedspolitiske spørgsmål — når de seneste initiativer, der er blevet taget inden for EF, oven i købet ligefrem har til formål i højere grad at behandle de sikkerhedspolitiske spørgsmål i fælles skab?
Mrs Vayssade. — (FR) Mr President, this morning Mr Andriessen reminded us that every government has the right to choose the nature and the extent of any public ownership.
Og er De ikke enig med mig i, at Det euro pæiske Fællesskabs udenrigsministre alle har grund til at beskæftige sig med et problem, som øger faren for, at stridigheder kan blive udkæmpet med atomvåben på det europæiske kontinent, hvilket i høj grad belaster forbindelserne mellem de europæiske stater og USA og endvidere i høj grad foruroliger langt de fleste af Europas borgere?
A number of countries, Italy and the United Kingdom, for example, already have an extensive public sector: France is now doing the same and the commissioner recognized that the Treaties are being respected as it is done.
Europa-Parlamentets forhandlinger
Debates of the European Parliament d'Ormesson compatible with the Treaty of Rome.
Formanden. — Jeg har truffet den beslutning. Vær venlig at sætte Dem ned.
It is unlikely, I fear, to be long before the Commission, and Mr Andriessen in particular, realize this.
Boyes. — (EN) Naturligvis, hr. formand, men ikke for dem derovre.
When they do so they must bring their actions into line with their words this morning.
Hurd. — (EN) Det ærede medlem lader ikke til at have forstået, at hverken den britiske regering eller, så vidt jeg ved, nogen anden regering i Fællesskabets medlemslande eller for den sags skyld NATO er blevet spurgt, om de på deres område vil acceptere de våben, han gør indsigelse imod.
Community a harmonious development of economic activities, a continued and balanced expansion, an increase in stability, an accelerated raising of the standard of living and closer relations between Member States.
Seligman. — (EN) Mener formanden for Rådet ikke, at neutronbomben er et yderst effektivt våben, fordi den ikke efterlader nogen strålefare?
According to the preamble to the nationalization bill, 36 banking houses will be affected, involving about 97-75% of all deposits held.
Og for det andet, hvis vi forventer, at amerikanske tropper stationeres i Europa for at hjælpe med til at beskytte Europa, er vi så ikke nødt til at forvisse os om, at de har de våben, de skal bruge til at beskytte sig selv?
Under these circumstances the nationalization which is being proposed is that of the entire banking sector.
Hvis vi ikke gør det, vil de så ikke bare forsvinde?
Indeed, the preamble to the bill says explicitly that that is the objective which is being sought.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 70 af Fergusson, repræsenteret af hr. Seeler (H-211/81):
Some form of coordination is required insofar as this nationalization apparently runs contrary to the principles of non-discrimination set out in Article 7 of the Treaty.
Hvilke fremskridt er der gjort for at fremme alle former for samarbejde med ASEAN-landene?
Of course, nationalizing in this way a whole facet of a Member State's economic life cannot be concealed behind the provisions of Article 222 of the Treaty establishing the European Economic Community.
Hurd. — (EN) Mit svar må igen blive det samme. Selv om det er interessant at drøfte og kommentere dette anliggende, tror jeg ikke, det er et anliggende, der falder ind under de Ti.
The fact is that although this article says 'This Treaty shall in no way prejudice rules in Member States governing the system of property ownership', the Commission, in its replies of 3 April and 12 March 1974 to written questions Nos 489/73 and 703/73 said that with refer ence to that article 'The Treaty does not exclude the possible nationalization by a Member State of any sector of economic activity'.
Hurd, formand for Rådet af udenrigsministre. — (EN) De Tis udenrigsministre mødtes med ASEANs uden rigsministre i Bruxelles i november 1978 og igen i Kuala Lumpur i marts 1980, og ved den lejlighed blev der undertegnet en samarbejdsaftale, den første mellem de to regionale grupper.
You heard, ladies and gentlemen: 'any activity'. Now what the French government is proposing is not nationalization within one particular sector of economic activity but, once again, nationalization of virtually the whole of an economic sector.
Endvidere mødes ASEAN-ministrene med Kommis sionen i dag, og der vil finde et møde sted i det blandede udvalg den 19. og 20. oktober.
Since this is none other than the banking sector it is quite evident that the whole economy will be affected.
Boyes. — (EN) Da jeg stillede spørgsmålet om den barbariske, morderiske og brutale chilenske regering, udviste formanden så megen medfølelse, at han besvarede mit spørgsmål som talsmand for den britiske regering.
Article 7 prohibits any discrimination on grounds of nationality and its first consequence involves the situation of banks in France controlled from abroad.
Jeg spekulerer på, om han ikke vil udvise så megen medfølelse, at han vil fortælle os, om den britiske regering har ført nogen samtaler med De forenede Stater om neutronbomben?
There is no way these banks will have special rules applied to them because they aré managed from abroad simply to avoid nationalization.
Overvejer regeringen at acceptere den i Storbritannien, eller er han uenig i den dummeste og mest naive bemærkning, jeg nogensinde har hørt om bomben fra min gråhårede ven i den modsatte side af salen?
The preamble to the nationalization bill is not entirely reassuring in this respect, however, since it says: 'Of course, the government also proposes that French banks should be able to withstand competition from foreign banks in France'.
(Protest fra medlemmer i den europæiske demokratiske gruppe)
What is more, the prohibition on discrimination set out in Article 7 of the Treaty should be extended to include nationals of a Member State to protect them from discrimination practised against them by their own country.
Seeler. — (DE) Hr. rådsformand, De er sikkert enig med mig i min påstand om, at det for at kunne gennemføre denne samarbejdsaftale mellem ASEAN-landene og Det europæiske Fællesskab er nødvendigt at råde over finansielle midler.
The Commission has already taken this view on a number of occasions, particularly in cases such as that of Walt Wilhelm and others versus the Bundeskartellamt, in which judgment was delivered on 13 February 1969, and Kenny versus Insurance Officer, relating to social security, with judgment on 28 June 1978.
Derfor spørger jeg Dem: Er De villig til at gøre Deres indflydelse gældende" i Rådet såvel som i Deres regering for at de af Rådet annullerede midler til samarbejdet igen bliver opført på budgettet under den anden behandling, da det er en absolut forudsætning for, at de i aftalen omhandlede kontakter mellem ASEAN-landene og Det europæiske Fællesskab overhovedet kan gennemføres på en fornuftig måde?
In fact there will be a form of discrimination if all banks under foreign control are exempted from nationalization, even though some of them meet all the general criteria by which banks are deemed nationalizable.
Boyes. — (EN) . . . når hele verden er i fare for at blive ødelagt, hvordan kan man så tale om en bombe, som skal anbringes i Storbritannien af ens egen regering? ring?
The French Conseil d'Etat also considered this discrimination open to reproach in its opinion on the proposed nationalizations, and proposed that either nationalization should be extended to include those foreign controlled banks which met the general criteria or that the criteria should be modified so as to exclude all foreign controlled banks from the list of nationalizable banks.
(Protest og tilråb »Sæt Dem ned* fra medlemmer fra den europæiske demokratiske gruppe)
It is also wrong to restrict the aims of the Treaty to doing away with customs' barriers and establishing the free movement of individuals, services and capital and free trade by considering each of these aims as an end in itself.
Boyes. — (EN) Jeg vil ikke sætte mig ned efter ordre fra sådan nogen ... !
These are only the means of reaching a grander objective which the Member States seek together.
Der har, som han sikkert ved, allerede været afholdt to konferencer om industriel investering inden for de rammer, der er fastlagt i aftalen, og Kommissionen har også finansieret en række andre undersøgelser, f.eks. inden for minesektoren.
We French members of the Communist and Allies group under stand perfectly that a policy of the French government may well concern our European partners.
Så jeg synes godt, man kan sige, at Fællesskabets institutioner — og ganske sikkert med Rådets godkendelse — er aktive inden for det brede område, han slår til lyd for.
No one, though, should be surprised if we reiterate clearly France's right to choose her own policy, and particularly her right to nationalize or take State shareholdings in a number of sectors.
Schmid. — (DE) Hr. Hurd, De har netop erklæret, at dette anliggende ikke er blevet drøftet inden for rammerne af De Tis politiske samarbejde.
There is no arguing with the fact that the question of ownership is a strictly national concern.