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De Ti har tilkendegivet deres afsky for og modstand mod Sydafrikas apartheid-politik ved talrige lejligheder.
I believe that a united Ireland in which both traditions can live in peace and harmony is the ideal solution to the problems that now face all the people of Ireland.
De har også udtrykt deres overbevisning om, at fredelige forandringer i Sydafrika er en tvingende nødvendighed.
But I believe that that can only be achieved by peaceful means.
Derfor opretholder de en kritisk dialog med Sydafrika og gør Det europæiske Fællesskabs samlede vægt gældende for at for må Sydafrika til at afskaffe apartheidsystemet og opbygge et samfund baseret på principperne om fri hed og retfærdighed for alle.
I am much more vehement in my condemnation of the men of violence than the honourable Member who has just spoken, because I believe that what they are doing further postpones the day when the people of Ireland from both traditions can live together in peace and reconciliation.
De Ti er også bekymrede over arrestationerne og til bageholdelserne af dem, der var impliceret i boykot ten, i særdeleshed lederne af United Democratic Front og Azanian People's Organization.
Therefore my condemnation of them is much louder and more vehement and spoken with greater conviction since, in contrast to the Member who has just spoken here, it is based on first-hand knowledge.
Dury (S). — (FR) Jeg er glad for, at De har været i stand til at besvare mit spørgsmål.
Mr Paisley (NI). — Mr President, you said in a ruling that you gave to me that the President-in-Office could from time to time add a few words as a Foreign Secretary of whatever government he represents.
Jeg vil gerne sige følgende : Begivenhederne, der har fundet sted i Syd afrika, har bibragt os den opfattelse, at »liberaliseringsforanstaltningerne«, som hr. Botha kalder dem, i realiteten skal fungere som alibi.
Now we have the precedent where the few words are in his capacity as President-in-Office of the Council and the brunt of his reply as a Foreign Minister of the Irish Republic.
For vi mener ikke, at hr. Botha har vilje til at lempe på apartheidpolitikken.
In what way can a Member of the United Kingdom have the other view put?
Seligman (ED). — (EN) Jeg er glad for, at ministeren fik den sidste sætning med. Der foregår en mængde positive ting i Sydafrika udover dem, der blev om talt.
I should like to ask the President-in-Office of the Council, who consulted all the people outside Northern Ireland, what degree of importance he attributes to the majority of the people within Northern Ireland, and to their view?
Deres svar er selvfølgelig en fuldstændig skuffelse for mig.
Are they to be steamrolled into an all-Ireland settlement?
Jeg er af den opfattelse, at Det europæiske Fæl lesskab er medansvarligt for hr. Bothas handlinger, for så vidt som Fællesskabet ikke tager noget forbehold over for dem.
Are they to be denied their right to self-determination? Is not one of the ideals of this Community the right to self-determination?
Er det ikke sandt, at valgene til de farvede og indiske forsamlinger blev boykottet i et forsøg på at forhindre en slags løsning på apartheid-spørgsmålet?
I happen to have the largest Unionist vote sending me to this House.
De kunne faktisk have accepteret det som et første skridt mod afskaffelsen af apartheid-systemet.
Have I no right to speak on behalf of that majority, or is that majority to be hammered into the ground and is it to be rejected?
De frygter, at den ne regering vil have held til at afskaffe apartheidsystemet på den måde, og derfor prøver de på at for hindre det ved hjælp af opstandene i Sharpeville og ved generelt at ægge til samfundsmæssig disharmoni.
Yet on another question he talked about majority voting in the Council of Ministers and he stated he would be trying to bring that about.
Derfor mener jeg ikke, at vi overhovedet bør tage parti i denne sag.
I would like to hear his explanation on those two points.
Barry. — (EN) Jeg tror ikke, at det, som det ærede medlem sagde, er sandt. Faktum er, at valgene stadig kun ville være repræsentative for 27 % af befolkningen.
Mr Barry. — I think it is most regrettable that on the first occasion I have seen in person the honourable
Barry. — (EN) Jeg er ikke sikker på, at det ærede medlem er klar over, at De Ti mødtes til politisk samarbejde i Dublin i går, og at et af de anliggender, de drøftede, var Sydafrika.
Mr Coste-Horet (RDE). — (FR) One of the tasks of the European Parliament is to try and maintain peace between Member States, and for this reason I regard Mr MacSharry's question as very apposite.
De Ti drøftede de seneste begivenheder i Sydafrika, i særdeleshed valgene til de farvede og indiske forsam-
I should like to put the following supplementary question to the President-in-Office of the Council.
Balfe (S). — (EN) Den sidste sætning i fru Durys spørgsmål refererer til det, man har foretaget sig med henblik på at udøve fortsat pres på Sydafrika. Må jeg spørge formanden, hvorvidt dette omfatter repræsen-
Bearing in mind that circumspection may well be a political virtue, but that it ceases to be such when it leads to evasiveness, can the Council tell us, yes or no, whether it intends to deal with this question and make proposals?
For medmindre vi bruger specifikke eksempler til at udøve pression, vil den generelle erklæring — som i sig selv er beundringsværdig — ikke have den fulde virkning. ning.
The reply I gave as President-in-Office of the Council of Ministers was that the competence of the Council of Ministers of the EEC is confined to those matters covered by the Treaties.
Jeg kan også sige, at situationen i Sydafrika er gen stand for konstant opmærksomhed fra ministrene i det politiske samarbejde.
Mrs Dury (S). — (FR) I am very pleased that you find it possible to answer my question, as there have been certain events in South Africa that lead us to believe that what Mr Botha referred to as a relaxation of the situation is in fact a red herring.
Man benytter enhver lejlighed til at overbevise den sydafrikanske regering om den bekymring, man føler over det, der sker der.
As we see it, Mr Botha has no intention of reducing apartheid.
Lizin (S). — (FR) Jeg finder, at når en række europæiske regeringer tager imod hr. Botha, ville det være rimeligt, om De som formand for det europæiske politiske samarbejde råder disse regeringer til også at modtage repræsentanter for den sorte befolkning.
Mr Raftery (PPE). — I understood the President-in-Office to say that he had brought the work of the New Ireland Forum to the attention of the various Member States of the EEC. Perhaps he could enlarge on this, please?
Netop nu befinder der sig i Europa et antal repræsen tanter for African National Congress for at fremlægge deres opfattelse.
Obviously, I was very disappointed by your reply since I feel that the European Community is responsible for Mr Botha's actions in so far as it has done nothing to restrain him.
Barry. — (EN) Jeg tror, at visse af mine kolleger i det politiske samarbejde ville være imod, at jeg gav et specifikt svar på individuelle sager som de nævnte, for der er noget om, at jo oftere en ting siges, jo mindre lægges der mærke til den.
Mr Barry. — I was quite careful to say that the President-in-Office of the Council of Ministers had not done that.
Vi bør være meget selektive og meget forsigtige med, hvilke eksempler i forbindelse med menneskerettigheder vi forelægger de enkelte landes regeringer.
It was the Irish Foreign Minister as Minister for Foreign Affairs for Ireland that took it to various member governments in the Community, not the President-in-Office of the Council of Ministers.
Ville det ikke være passende, om de, som er ansvar lige for det europæiske politiske samarbejde, overvejer at lytte til dem eller i det mindste råder de lande, der har modtaget hr. Botha, til at modtage ANC-re-præsentanterne for at skabe balance? Det har man i alt fald anmodet hr. Tindemans om.
President. — I should like to remind the honourable Member that supplementary questions must be actual questions and not declarations or speeches.
(Bifald)
I call Question No 60, by Mrs Dury (H-93/84):
Barry. — (EN) Sam jeg sagde, var disse besøg af bilateral art, og Ministerrådet modtog ikke hr. Botha i den forstand.
Subject: visit by Mr Botha to certain countries of the European Community
Hvis en repræsentant for flertallet af befolkningen i Sydafrika ønskede at blive modtaget af de samme lande, ser jeg ikke nogen grund til, at han eller hun ikke skulle blive modtaget.
Mr Barry. — I am not sure that the honourable Member is aware that the Ten met in political cooperation yesterday in Dublin and that one of the matters they discussed was South Africa.
Om : Hensigtsmæssigt udleveringssystem
The Minister also stated: 'nevertheless, I believe that our position has been made clearer'.
Alábanos (COM). — (GR) Denne erklæring fra uden rigsministrene er et nyt element, som vi ikke havde i tankerne.
The Ten discussed the recent events in South Africa, in particular the elections to the coloured and Indian assemblies, the arrests and detentions of leading figures involved in the boycott and the violence and rioting in the black townships.
Men naturligvis forbliver spørgsmålet, som Dury forelagde, nemlig at i det øjeblik denne udvik ling aftegner sig i Sydafrika, er der regeringer, som modtager den sydafrikanske statsministers besøg.
In so far as South Africa's new constitution is concerned, the Ten recalled that the international community has expressed its view on this in discussions of the Security Council Resolution 554 on 17 August.
Jeg ville gerne udvide dette sidste punkt i Durys spørgsmål og spørge, hvilke forholdsregler især af økonomisk art udenrigsministrene agter at tage med henblik på fortsat at øve pres på Sydafrika.
Did those Foreign Ministers who had talks with the South African Ministers confer with one another following Mr Botha's visit and if so, on what points?
Erklæringen angiver ikke noget konkret med hensyn til dette spørgsmål.
What action do they intend to take to exert continued pressure on South Africa?
Kan formanden oplyse, hvornår udenrigsministrene sidst har drøftet et hensigtsmæssigt udleveringssystem med gyldighed overalt inden for Fællesskabet, og hvilke fremskridt der er gjort?
The Ten have consistently called for an end to apartheid and for constitutional arrangements in South Africa which will include all South Africans fully and equally in the political process.
Barry, formand for Ministerrådet. — (EN) Dette an liggende er ikke blevet drøftet på udenrigsministermødet inden for rammerne af det europæiske politiske samarbejde.
The recent events underline once again the need for early progress in this direction if further conflicts and violence are to be averted.
Barry. — (EN) Jeg forventede ikke, at den erklæring, jeg læste op fra ministerrådsmødet igår, ville bibringe folk her i Parlamentet nogen yderligere viden.
Mr Barry, President-in-Office of the Foreign Ministers. — The 10 Foreign Ministers meeting in political cooperation have not discussed the visit to Europe by Mr Botha.
Hvad den gør, er at vise, hvor alvorligt De Ti's udenrigsministre ser på situationen i Sydafrika, samt at vise, at de er besluttede på at give udtryk for denne be kymring over for de sydafrikanske myndigheder og søge at udvirke omgående løsladelse af dem, der er tilbageholdt uden anklage.
The Ten have made known their abhorrence and opposition to South Africa's apartheid policies on numerous occasions.
Det er et af punkterne.
They have also expressed their conviction that peaceful change in South Africa is urgently necessary.
Det er også sandt, at De Ti har vedtaget adfærdsregler for sydafrikanske datterselskaber af selskaber i Det europæiske Fællesskab med henblik på at forbedre forholdene for sorte arbejdere i disse selskaber.
To this end they maintain a critical dialogue with South Africa and exert the collective weight of the European Community to influence South Africa to end the apartheid system and to build a society based on the principles of freedom and justice for all.
Paisley (NI). — (EN) Da Den irske Republik sidste gang havde formandskabet for EØF, gav det løfter om fremskridt i retning af en løsning på dette pro blem.
The Ten are also concerned at the arrest and detention of those involved in the boycott, in particular the leaders of the United Democratic Front and the Azanian People's Organization.
Derefter fortsatte han med yderligere svar, iført sin irske hat, og brugte mere tid på sine irske propagandasvar, end han brug te på at besvare EØF-spørgsmål som formand for Rådet.
There are a lot of positive things going on in South Africa as well as the ones referred to.
Er af den opfattelse, at i forbindelse med en udleveringsordning bør begrebet politisk motiv eller politisk forbrydelse ude lukkende for terroristforbrydelser ikke høre hjemme inden for Fællesskabets ydre grænser?
However, the problem referred to by Mrs Dury in her question surely remains — namely that while these events are taking place in South Africa, there are governments who are receiving the visit of the South African Prime Minister.
Det er nu blevet korrigeret.
There is no specific reference to this in the statement.
Der for anmoder jeg nu ministeren om at besvare Deres spørgsmål.
I should like to know what practical measures are to be taken in the economic field to help the people of South Africa in their struggle for the restoration of democracy in that country.
Barry. — (EN) Til oplysning kan jeg lige nævne, at jeg kun ved besvarelsen af to spørgsmål ud af 12 havde min irske udenrigsminister-hat på.
They fear that this government will succeed in eliminating apartheid in that way, and therefore they are trying to prevent it by the uprisings in Sharpeville and by generally stimulating social dis harmony.
I de andre tilfælde udtalte jeg mig i min egenskab af formand for Rådet. det.
So, I do not think we should take sides in this matter at all.
Barry. — (EN) Ja, det er det måske, men det er ikke et anliggende, der kan drøftes inden for rammerne af det europæiske politiske samarbejde.
Mr Barry. — I did not expect that the statement I read out from the Council of Ministers yesterday would add a great deal to people's knowledge in this Parliament.
Så vidt jeg husker, er det kun sket en gang i løbet af otte år.
Mr Barry. — I do not think what the honourable Member said is true.
Kun en gang i løbet af otte år er denne lov taget i brug af de men nesker, som hr. Taylor hævder at repræsentere.
The fact is the elections were still only going to be representative of 27% of the population: 73% of the population of South Africa were debarred from voting anyway.
Hvis der er andre kendte forbrydere, der går rundt i Dublins gader, som han påstår, så må beviserne fremlægges, og så må de anklages i henhold til Criminal Law Jurisdiction Act of 1976. Hvis de kendes skyldige, vil de få, hvad de fortjener.
It is also true that the Ten have drawn up a Code of Conduct for South African subsidiaries of companies from the European Community, which is aimed at improving the lot of black workers in these companies.
Taylor (ED). — (EN) Ministeren har det meste af eftermiddagen båret sin irsk-republikanske hat som minister fra Dublin og har nægtet at svare i sin egen skab af formand for Rådet.
Mr Balfe (S). — The final clause of Mrs Duty's question refers to action taken to exert continued pressure on South Africa.
Vil han, når han tager tilbage til Dublin, sørge for, at irsk politi og hær sendes til Dundalk for at rense området for IRA-terrorister?
Unless we use specific examples to put on pressure, the general statement — which is admirable — will not have its full impact.
Formanden. — Hr. rådsformand, før jeg beder Dem svare, må jeg sige til hr. Taylor, at jeg ikke, som for mand for dette møde, kan acceptere hans påstand om, at formanden for Ministerrådet ikke har besvaret spørgsmål til ham i sin egenskab af formand for Ministerrådet. Det har han gjort i hvert eneste tilfælde.
I can also say that the situation in South Africa is kept under constant review by the Ministers working in political cooperation.
McCartin (PPE). - (EN) Formanden har delvis be svaret det spørgsmål, jeg havde i sinde at stille.
Mrs Lizin (S). — (FR) In view of the fact that certain European Governments have received Mr Botha it would be only right if you were to recommend, in your capacity as President of the Foreign Ministers meeting in political cooperation, that they receive the representatives of the black population too.
Det havde været min pligt at minde ham om det, hvis kan ikke havde gjort det. Det faktum, at jeg ikke gjorde det, beviser, at han i hvert eneste tilfælde svarede på Ministerrådets vegne.
Mr Barry. — I think some of my colleagues in political cooperation would not want me to give a specific reply on individual cases like the ones mentioned, because there is a view that the more often the well goes to the bucket, the less attention is paid to it.
Taylor (ED). — (EN) En bemærkning til forretningsordenen, hr. formand, jeg sagde ikke, at ministeren ikke havde besvaret spørgsmål. Han besvarede san
Having said that, I can at the next meeting in political cooperation — if the Member wishes — bring to the attention of my colleagues the three cases mentioned by him and ask them if they wish to make in those specific cases representations to the government in question.
Mon ministeren vil bekræfte,
Would it not be a good idea if those responsible for
Barry. - (EN) COCOM er et NATO-organ og ved kommer ikke ministermøderne under det europæiske politiske samarbejde, fordi ikke alle er medlemmer af NATO.
Mr Barry. — As I said, these visits were of a bilateral nature and the Council of Ministers did not receive Mr Botha in that sense.
Mit eget land er ikke medlem af NATO og diskuterer derfor ikke NATO og spørgsmål, der har forbindelse med NATO.
If a representative of the majority population in South Africa wished to be received by those same countries, I do not see any reason why he or she should not be so received.
Alábanos (COM). — (GR) Jeg ville gerne i forbindelse med de sidste oplysninger, som formanden for udenrigsministrene forsamlet ned henblik på det politiske samarbejde gav, stille ham et spørgsmål.
President. — I call Question No 61, by Mr Paisley (H-100/84):
Barry. — (EN) Jeg kan bekræfte alt, hvad hr. M cC ar tin siger.
Mr Taylor (ED). — The Minister has spent most of this afternoon wearing his Irish Republican hat as a Minister from Dublin and refusing to answer as President-in-Office of the Council.
Til oplysning kan jeg sige, at denne lov, der blev indført af begge regeringer med henblik på at klare det problem, som hr. Taylor har skitseret her, kun er blevet brugt i 9 tilfælde : kun en gang af myndighederne i Nordirland og otte gange af regeringen i Dublin. Dette viser, med hvilken alvor de giver sig i kast med disse forbrydere, der strejfer om i Dublins gader, ifølge hr. Taylor.
Will he, continuing to wear his Irish hat, tell us why it is possible for wellknown IRA terrorists to walk openly around the Dundalk part of the Irish Republic near the border with Northern Ireland? Is he aware that a Member of Parliament from his own Dublin Parliament confirmed last week that dozens of these IRA terrorists are walk ing around Dundalk and that they are not being 'lifted' by the Irish police?
Formanden. — På anmodning af spørgeren henvises spørgsmål nr. 62 til næste mødeperiode.
When he goes back to Dublin, will he see to it that the Irish police and army are sent into Dundalk to clean up that area of IRA ter rorists?
Spørgsmål nr. 63 af Lizin (H-127/84):
Subject: effective system of extradition
De belgiske myndigheder har på vilkårlig måde afslået at give eksportlicens til USSR til aktieselskabet Pegard i Andenne for værktøjsmaskiner, der ikke er dækket af nogen som helst militær hemmelighed, som det også fremgår af udenrigsministeriets eget svarbrev.
Mr Barry, President-in-Office of the Foreign Ministers. — This matter has not been discussed by the Foreign Ministers meeting in the framework of European political cooperation.
Vort land blev for få år siden medlem af Det europæiske Fællesskab, ikke af COCOM.
In some cases he has added some words in his other capacity as a national Minister.
Barry. — (EN) Hvis det ærede medlem taler om et koordinationsudvalg for NATO og Fællesskabet, må jeg fastslå, at et sådant organ ikke eksisterer.
Mr Paisley (NI). — When the Republic of Ireland last held the presidency of the EEC, it made promises about progress towards a solution of this problem.
Vi har hørt Rådets formand sige, at spørgsmål vedrø rende NATO ikke hører under det europæiske politi ske samarbejde, hvorimod det ud fra de debatter, der finder sted inden for rammerne af dette samarbejde, står ganske klart, at sikkerhedsspørgsmål falder ind under dets kompetence.
He then proceeded to give further answers wearing his Irish hat and gave more time to his Irish propaganda answers than he did as President-in-Office of the Council to answering EEC questions. tions.
Hr. formand, enten må De foranledige, at Deres par lamentarikere får seriøse svar, når de stiller seriøse spørgsmål, med det formål at fremme det europæiske samarbejde, eller De opfylder ikke Deres plads.
Considers that in the case of terrorist crimes alone the concept of political motive or political offence in the context of laws governing extradition should have no place within the external frontiers of the Community?
Lizin (S). — (FR) Det er klart, at i den udstrækning, sagen drejer sig om Pegard, som er en privat virksomhed, henhører spørgsmålet ikke under det europæiske politiske samarbejde.
Could he give an assurance to the House that this matter will be brought before the Ministers of the Ten, as it is a matter that needs to be urgently considered?
Til gengæld er det mindre klart, at en fælles europæisk holdning på COCOM-møderne ikke skulle vedrøre det europæiske politiske samarbejde.
President. — I accept your second version, Mr Taylor. If I remember aright, in the first instance you did say that he had not always answered in his capacity as President-in-Office of the Council.
Det er faktisk på tide, at europæerne optræder samlet over for USA i spørgsmål om eksportvarer af strategisk art, så de er stærke nok til at forsvare deres ret til at eksportere, hvad de vil, uden at være under kastet amerikansk diktat.
Mr Barry. — Yes, perhaps it does, but it is not a matter that can be discussed in the framework of Euro pean political cooperation.
Hvilket juridisk grundlag påberåber De dem så, når De hævder, at et forberedende samarbejde i forbindelse med COCOM-møderne ikke henhører under det europæiske politi ske samarbejde?
I should say that the agree ment to which the honourable Member refers has not yet been ratified by any Member State and will only
Spørg, om sikkerheden falder ind under det europæiske politiske samarbejde eller ikke.
Mr Barry. — For the record, in only two questions out of 12 did I wear my Irish Foreign Minster hat.
Jeg vender tilbage til mit spørgsmål : Hvorfor kan der ikke finde forberedende drøftelser sted forud for møderne i COCOM, hvad enten man er medlem af NATO eller ikke?
President. — At its author's request Question No 62 is postponed until the next partsession.
På nogle af disse områder er der imidlertid stadig isolerede punkter, som skal løses, og som til sin tid kan vise sig at være af betydning.
the others, I was speaking in my capacity as President-in-Office of the Council.
Og så må enhver danne sig sin egen mening om disses værdi.
I call Question No 63, by Mrs Lizin (H-l27/84): company: refusal of an
Spørgetiden er afsluttet (')·
Subject: the Pegard export licence
De aftaler, der er indgået indtil nu, betragtes kun som definitive inden for rammerne af den samlede aftale, som vil blive indgået ved afslutningen af forhandlingerne.
I am very sorry that Mr Taylor has introduced this old chestnut, which should have been well and truly buried long, long ago.
De vigtigste områder, som endnu skal forhand les, er sociale spørgsmål, landbrug, fiskeri, institutionelle spørgsmål, egne indtægter samt forholdene mellem ansøgerlandene i overgangsperioden.
Mr Taylor knows very well that if there is a shred of evidence to back up what he has said here, the people about whom he is speaking can be prosecuted under the Criminal Law Jurisdiction Act of 1976.