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Der er ingen hjemmel i traktaten til at inddrage sådanne spørgsmål i de virkeområder, som er tillagt EF's institutioner.
On the other hand, I· think that in view of the brevity of everybody else's speeches and the need to try to compress this debate, it would probably be more acceptable to the House if I were to compress my remarks and therefore I will seek to do that.
Hvad er Rådets holdning til, at Parlamentet behandler en betænkning af Fergusson, som langt overskrider grænsen mellem »sikkerhedspolitik« og »forsvarspolitik« ?
Commission in the ten Community Member States.
Haagerup. — Idet jeg takker ministeren for den første del af hans svar, vil jeg gerne spørge, om han uanset de forkellige opfattelser, der råder med hensyn til den såkaldte vetoret, ikke mener, at det er meget væsentligt, at man overvinder disse meningsforskelle på en måde, der ikke sætter EF's maskineri i stå, med andre ord, at man ikke anvender den såkaldte vetoret på en måde, der forhinder EF i at fungere, og at retten til at være uenige ikke må gå så langt som til at hindre EF i at fungere på grundlag af de bestemmelser, herunder om afstemningsmetoderne, som ministeren henviser til i sit første svar?
This does not, however, prevent us from levelling two major criticisms at the Commission: firstly, in its over all way of thinking, the Commission remains trapped in the institutional straightjacket imposed on it by the Council; as a result, it is gradually loosing its ability to be a driving, proposing and creative force.
Olesen, formand for Rådet. — Hverken Rådet eller udenrigsministrene forsamlet inden for rammerne af det politiske samarbejde har kendskab til det udkast til betænkning, som det ærede parlamentsmedlem henviser til.
Secondly, and this is a logical outcome of what I have just said, no great new approach, giving at least the outline of a Community energy policy capable of justifying its existence because of its efficiency, emerges from the draft preliminary 1983 budget.
Angående det spørgsmål, der henhører under traktaterne om oprettelse af De europæiske Fællesskaber, handler Europa-Parlamentet ligesom de øvrige institutioner under disse Fællesskaber inden for rammerne af de beføjelser, der er blevet tillagt ved traktaterne. Det vil sige, at Parlamentet selv tilrettelægger sin virksomhed og sine emner, og det hverken kan eller bør Rådet blande sig i.
We have to recognize the inadequate and timid character of the actions pro posed in the selected sectors and approved unanimously by the Committee on Energy on 22 March 1982.
Jeg vil sige, at da det drejede sig om det aktuelle for nylig med landbrugs priserne, da havde Danmark den opfattelse, at vi var
But it is in fact a rather important institutional landmark in the Commission's view, and it is one that we hope very much that this House will adopt.
Jeg må bekende over for fru Hammerich, at jeg ikke har læst Fergusson-betænkningen, men vil i øvrigt blot sige, at når det drejer sig om det politiske samarbejde blandt de ti regeringer, er principperene for dette samarbejde nedfældet senest i oktober sidste år i den såkaldte London-rapport.
Mrs Clwyd and I come, I wonder what world she is living in and what world people who support the phraseology she used, the figures she used, are living in ...
Når det drejer sig om, hvad Parlamentet i øvrigt ønsker at tage op af emner, mener jeg stadig væk, det må være Parlamentets egen sag. Det skal Rådet bestemt ikke blande sigi.
Mr Robert Jackson. — Would the Commissioner not accept that in all the countries he mentioned there has been a very substantial increase in the budget appro priations for the type of activities financed by the Social Fund, in the United Kingdom, a fivefold increase since 1979?
Mener Rådet ikke, at ydelsen af støtte til modernisering af fiskeriflåderne bør gøres afhængig af, at reglerne på det sociale område overholdes?
And no doubt there are some — certainly there are in the Council, as those who are in the conciliation group from the Par liament will know — who would prefer things to have been done differently.
Olesen, formand for Rådet. — Tildeling af hjælp til modernisering af fiskerflåden har hidtil været genstand for Rådets årlige, midlertidige beslutninger i afventning af etablering af en strukturpolitik på længere sigt.
On the other equally important issues, such as financial ceilings and the question of a legal base, agree ment has been reached which allows each institution to play its appropriate political role without in any way infringing treaty rights.
Det problem, som er rejst af det ærede parlamentsmedlem, har således endnu ikke konkret været drøftet i Rådet, og det skyldes jo, at dette spørgsmål skal ses i sammenhæng med de øvrige dele af fiskeripolitikken.
We are particularly pleased that Parliament's right to use its margin is fully respected and in the event of the Council not acting, an appropriate use for the appropriations voted will be found.
Le Roux. — (FR) Ja, hvis det endnu ikke er blevet drøftet.
Mr President, I can assure the House that the Com mission will act in accordance with this agreement.
Er der ikke mulighed for at anvende artikel 117 i traktaten på denne gruppe?
I hope very much that the Council will.
Olesen. — Jeg kan ikke svare nøjagtigt på, om artikel 117 kan anvendes, men jeg vil viderebringe de bemærkninger, der her er faldet, til den danske fiskeriminister. riminister.
We have put forward proposals for an increase of the Social Fund to 45% in commitments and 39% in pay ments and if you take into account the proposals in the amending budget of 1982, one arrives at increases of 62% and 55%.
Fergusson. — (EN) Er formanden for Rådet klar over, at der ikke er nogen mulighed for, at han kunne have læst betænkningen, fordi den i modsætning til det, fru Hammerich sagde, endnu ikke er færdig?
So far as Mr Jackson's remarks are concerned, I think I am to some extent excused for making a substantial speech because I have, of course, already presented the preliminary draft budget to the Parliament and this, as Mr Jackson said, is in a sense an additional stage in the proceedings in order to enable Parliament to clarify its mind rather than to hear yet again from the Commission.
Den er ikke engang skrevet.
I will, of course, be participating fully in the debate after the Council's first reading.
Noget af den er skrevet og noget af det er blevet drøftet, men længere er vi ikke nået.
Now, I know Mrs Clwyd is Welsh, but even in Wales one cannot regard figures of that sort as pitiful.
Og for det tredje vil jeg gerne spørge ham, om han er klar over» at nedrustning allerede har været emne for en betænkning her i Parlamentet, og at Rådet alle rede har gjort det klart, at udenrigsministrene forsamlet i politisk samarbejde naturligvis allerede har drøftet såvel sikkerhedspolitik som forsvarspolitik, fór eksempel under forberedelsen af CSCE-konferencen?
I agree with her priorities; I agree with her desires, but what I have to say is that nobody using the language which she and I use — since I do not speak Welsh, unfortunately — can possibly describe increases of 62% and 55% as pitiful and to do so is simply living in a world that people like Mr Fabius and Sir Geoffrey Howe and Mr Lanhstein and anybody else she likes to mention would no more recognize than they would recognize a lunar landscape.
Og min sidste bemærkning er, om Rådet er klar over, at påstandene i fru Hammerichs spørgsmål derfor er det rene nonsens?
This Commission certainly owes it to the Parliament to take seriously the proposals which the Parliament puts for ward.
Olesen. — Det er ikke for at være uhøflig over for det ærede medlem, men jeg fandt ikke noget spørgsmål i indlægget.
But the Parliament owes it to itself to take account of the political and economic realities in which we live. Let me remind the Parliament of another figure as well. . .
Kirk. — Kan rådsformanden bekræfte, at den midler tidige strukturstøtte fra EF's side bygger på, at der gives mindst 5 % national støtte, og at det er op til de nationale myndigheder at fastsætte, efter hvilke kriterier og regler den nationale støtte skal gives, således at der intet er i vejen for, at man nationalt kunne beslutte sig til, at eventuelle regler inden for det sociale område skulle overholdes, hvis den nationale støtte skulle opnås, og dermed indirekte også den von Hassel. — (DE) Jeg vil gerne takke formanden for Rådet for, at han overlader det til Parlamentet selv at træffe afgørelse om, hvad vi vil behandle.
And that figure is that at the end of last year the Parliament voted a budget which involved increases in commitment relative to 1981 of under 15% and a number of new initiatives were very much cut back. 15% was roughly what Parliament voted for and when one looks at the problems that Mr Fabius for instance, the Socialist Budget Minister in France, is coping with and the way in which he has had to cut back on the French budget, and when one looks at the problems that are creating such difficulties between the coalition partners, the Socialist Party and the Liberal Party in Germany, and the way in which they have had to cut back, and when one looks at the problems that have already brought about one political crisis in Holland and the difficulties of the Danish Government, not to mention the country from which
Olesen. — Jeg opfatter Luxembourgforliget som en meget klar politisk realitet i et samarbejde blandt ti lande, der ofte kan være meget vanskeligt.
Clwyd above the maximum rate, it is not surprising if we are accused of being lavish and it is unbelievable that we should be accused of being pitiful.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 49 af Lizin (H-212/ 82): fælles EF-støtte?
because I am Welsh, then perhaps I have a different outlook on figures to those that he has, coming from the southeast of England.
Og kan rådsformanden eventuelt oplyse, om der er fremskridt i Rådet vedrørende den permanente strukturpolitik, der indeholder faste planer for en femårig periode, som er behandlet her i Parlamentet, og som indtil nu har været blokeret i Rådet, så vidt jeg er orienteret af det vesttyske medlemsland?
Would he agree that the unemployment rate in Wales is the highest of almost every region in the United Kingdom except Northern Ireland?
Kan rådsformanden oplyse, om der er fremskridt der, således at man eventuelt kunne få den faste strukturpolitik vedtaget?
It is quite justified to make remarks of this kind because unemployment has reached frightening proportions in those regions and it is quite reasonable to say that the amount of money he is suggesting is pitiful and woefully inadequate and I repeat those comments, Commissioner.
Kan formanden for Rådet oplyse, om han agter at anvende den særdeles effektive metode, han netop har anvendt i forbindelse med landbrugspriserne, med henblik på at få gennemført forslaget til forordning om indførelse af en konsultationsprocedure på fællesskabsplan i forbindelse med place ring af atomkraftværker i grænseregioner?
Mr Tughendhat, Vice-President of the Commission.— Mr President, I agree with Mrs Clwyd about the extent and the horribleness, the terribleness, of unemployment and I said that I share her desire and the desire of Mr Jackson and of the whole House to be able to do more for it.
Det forbavser vist ikke hr. Kirk.
I wish, Mr President, that we could do more.
Med hensyn til det andet kan jeg sige, at spørgsmålet stadig behandles i Rådet, der er gjort visse fremskridt, men jeg bliver også nødt til at sige lige ud, at der ligger en del vanskeligheder tilbage, før man kan sige, at vi når frem til de endelige konklusioner. Men sagen ligger hos Rådet, der arbejdes videre med den.
I share the indignation of the Parliament and, indeed, of peo ple outside the Parliament about the level of unemployment, but I ask the Parliament to bear in mind the scale of the effort we are· making compared with what is possible in London, in Paris, in Bonn, in the Hague, in Copenhagen and anywhere else.
Er Rådet enig i, at det såkaldte legalitetsprincip gælder for samtlige beslutninger i EF, og at en hvilken som helst EF-beslutning skal have positiv hjemmel i traktaterne?
I ask the Parliament too, to bear in mind when they give us all this sweet talk about cutting back the proportion of the budget on agriculture so that more can be spent on things which we have just heard about, that if we had followed Parliament's advice earlier this year on agriculture, the proportion of agriculture in the budget would not only be greater than it is, it would be much greater than even the Council would want it.
Olesen, formand for Rådet. — Behandlingen af forslaget om en forordning om indførelse af en konsultationsprocedure på fællesskabsplan vedrørende kraftværker, der kan påvirke et andet medlemslands område, fortsætter i Rådet.
So, please, do retain a certain consistency with your previous votes and do please judge our figures by what is possible in the real world, with the availability of resources, and let us talk about what can be done as distinct from what ideally we might all of us wish could be done.
Så vil jeg godt tilføje i mit svar til det ærede medlem, at det jeg her har fortalt jo ikke forhindrer aftaler om det, der ligger i spørgsmålet.
Of course we would like to do more but don't let us pretend that money grows on trees.
Lizin. — (FR) Jeg må sige, at det er heldigt, at Europa ikke modsætter sig bilaterale aftaler, for man må spørge sig selv, hvor vi ellers ville være henne.
What I was saying was that increases of the order of 55% can in nobody's language — and certainly not in the English language — be described as pitiful.
Kan de måske blot nævne mig datoen for det rådsmøde, hvor De har til hensigt at opføre dette punkt på dagsordenen?
I said that perhaps in Wales the use of language is more exaggerated, but anybody who believes that a 55% increase is something small, is something minimal, has no conception, I believe, of the real world in which we are living, and I was about to draw her attention and that of Mr Jackson and the House to the maximum rate.
Olesen. — Når jeg tøver lidt med at give svaret, er det, fordi jeg gerne vil give et udtømmende svar.
Now the Commission has never taken the view that our proposals should be governed by the maximum rate.
Men jeg er desværre ikke i stand til at give det ærede medlem et udtømmende svar, forstået på den måde, at jeg kan nævne en bestemt dato.
We have always taken the view that we should be able to go above the maximum rate.
Men også i dette tilfælde vil jeg rette henvendelse til den danske energiminister, og jeg vil gå så langt som at sige, at jeg forudsætter, at det kommer på dagsordenen på et rådsmøde i løbet af de kommende måneder.
But nonetheless one does have to take the maximum rate, to some extent, as a benchmark and the maximum rate on this occasion is 11-8%.
Eisma. — (NL) Kan formanden for Rådet love os, at uanset hvornår dette spørgsmål kommer på dagsordenen for et rådsmøde, så vil han sætte alt ind på at udvirke, at der opnås enstemmighed i Rådet? For selv om Danmark har færre grænser end de øvrige medlemsstater, er de grænseoverskridende virkninger i de øvrige medlemsstater hvad angår atomkraftværker dog et enormt stort problem.
So the maximum rate is 11· 8% and we are putting forward proposals —I should not perhaps say this with the Council sitting here because I am sure the Council will use my words against me when they discuss this matter in a fortnight's time — but for 1983 which are 3 · 8 times the maximum rate on the basis of the 1983 preliminary draft budget and 5-3 times the maximum rate if the amending budget for 1982 is ended.,
Det med at besvare et spørgsmål med ja eller nej, kender jeg for godt.
He has said little, if anything indeed, about the Regional Fund.
Derfor gentager jeg mit spørgsmål: vil formanden for Rådet gøre alt, hvad han kan for at bevirke, at der opnås enstemmighed i Rådet med hensyn til disse grænseoverskridende virkninger af atomkraftværker?
I am not in the least doubt that a number of the Ministers of the Member States will be using those figures against me.
Olesen. — Som jeg hentydede til tidligere, forud sætter det faktisk enstemmighed at få en beslutning igennem i Rådet om dette spørgsmål.
I do ask the Parliament to bear in mind the fact that there are con straints in the real world and they ought to be in the real world and that when we are going five times
Newton Dunn. — (EN) Hvis jeg forstod formanden for Rådet korrekt — og jeg forsøgte at skrive hans første svar ned — sagde han, at beslutninger bør finde deres grundlag i traktaterne eller i den afledte fællesskabsret.
Mr Tugendhat, Vice-President of the Commission. — I agree very much with the importance that Mrs Kellett-Bowman attaches to the Regional Fund and she has done as much as anybody in this House to ensure that the Regional Fund gets its fair share.
Er han derfor ikke enig med mig i, at Luxembourgforliget er illegalt?
We are pro posing an increase in the Regional Fund of 36%,
7.7.82 rigsministrene fra ASEAN-landene, blev man enige om en tekst om situationen i den indo-kinesiske halvø, dvs. først og fremmest Kampuchea.
Tugendhat which is three times the maximum rate, whereas last year the increase was 1 · 9 times the maximum rate.
Formanden. — Vi går nu over til spørgsmålene til udenrigsministrene.
pute the figure, I would point out that 36% of a meagre sum does not ultimately amount to much ...
Spørgsmål nr. 55 af Sir Fred Warner (H-227/82) ('):
As to Mr Griffiths' point, I agree with him that the amount of money available in the Community budget is not adequate to the needs.
Vil ministrene i deres bestræbelser på at sikre tilbagetrækning af vietnamesiske styrker fra Kampuchea og genoprettelse af landets suverænitet benytte enhver lejlighed til at henlede opmærksomheden på lignende krænkelser af laotisk territorium og kræve genoprettelse af fuld stændig laotisk suverænitet?
While I certainly have no desire to quarrel with col­leagues responsible for the Social Fund or to be regarded as a jealous mother hen by them because I have been driven to make comparisons, I must say that, while, occupational training and particularly occupational training for women which I wholeheart­edly approve — is one of the functions of the Social Fund, suite it is certainly not the function of the Social Fund to wage the war against unemployment.
Olesen, formand for udenrigsministrene. — I modsætning til det kampucheanske tilfælde kan. Vietnams militære tilstedeværelse i Laos ikke betragtes som værende en følge af en invasion.
I hope, therefore, that Parliament will look at all sides of the question and that tomorrow, when the votes are taken, it will support the amendments tabled by the Committee on Regional Policy and Regional Plan­ning, or at least those which I have tabled myself as, in the last analysis, it is Parliament alone which decides.
Ikke desto mindre ønsker De Ti, at en samlet løsning af problemerne på den indo-kinesiske halvø, der indbefatter de nødvendige internationale garantier, vil muliggøre tilbage trækning af alle fremmede styrker.
Even if our pleas fell on deaf ears with the Committee on Budgets, I still hope, ladies and gentlemen, that the amendments tabled by the Committee on Regional Policy and by myself will be adopted by a majority vote in this Parliament tomorrow.
Olesen. — De spørgsmål, vi går over til nu, drejer sig om det politiske samarbejde, dvs. at jeg kun kan udtale mig dér, hvor der har været drøftelser inden for det politiske samarbejde. Jeg må sige til det ærede medlem, at det spørgsmål, han meget specifikt rejser, ikke har været drøftet inden for EPS.
As was'said earlier by a Christian­Democrat, it will, of course, be necessary to have an increase anda diversi­fication in the Community's own resources and I hope particularly that those of, my compatriots, from what­ever party they come, who speak so strongly in the European Parliament about the need for an expansion of policies, will be speaking equally strongly in the sometimes less welcoming atmosphere of their parties at home about the need to do something on the own­resources front as well.
Sir Fred Warner. — (EN) Jeg kan simpelt hen ikke forestille mig, hvad formanden for Rådet forstår ved en invasion.
President. — I call the Commission.
Er han ikke klar over, at der findes mellem 50 000 og 80 000 vietnamesiske tropper i Laos?
President. — I call Mrs Scrivener on a point of order.
Hvad har han til hensigt at gøre ved det på baggrund af de garantier, man har givet dette land?
Mrs Scrivener. — (FR) Mr President, I just cannot follow what is'going on here.
Israel. — (FR) Ja, men hør nu en gang, var vi ikke i henhold til aftalerne af 1964 enige om, at Laos skal bibeholde status som neutralt land?
Mr Tugendhat, Vice­President of the Commission. — Mr President, one word. I forgot to mention amend­ments.
Er Laos' neutralitet fortsat et anliggende, som drøftes af de 10's diplomater?
All of the amendments refer to the Jackson resolution.
Olesen. — Jeg er ked af at skulle gentage mig selv så mange gange, men jeg bliver nødt til at sige til hr. Israel, at problemet rejst her i spørgetiden ikke har været drøftet inden for rammerne af EPS, i hvert fald ikke på den måde som ligger i spørgsmålet.
It seems that Question Time has come early since for a number of minutes — and long ones, too — questions and answers have been bouncing back and forth. Does Question Time begin at 6.15 or at 6.30 p.m., Mr Presi­dent?
Jeg beklager meget, men jeg kan ikke give andet svar.
I thought it was 6.30, but I see that the proce­dure is not being observed.
Olesen. — Det er jeg udmærket klar over, men alligevel vil jeg pege på, at der er en forskel på situationen i Kampuchea og situationen i Laos.
President. — In view of the time I must now interrupt the debate, which will be resumed at 3 p.m. tomorrow.
Jeg vil gerne stille formanden for Rådet følgende spørgsmål :
I call the Committee on Regional Policy and Regional Planning.
Olesen. — Efter det udmærkede møde, hvor Fælles skabernes udenrigsministre rejste til Kuala Lumpur i Malaysia, har der været en løbende kontakt mellem ASEAN-landene og EF. Jeg kan sige til hr. von Habsburg, at Leo Tindemans for nylig har været på besøg og har udvekslet synspunkter med vor kollega inden for ASEAN.
President. — I have pleasure in welcoming to the offi­cial gallery a delegation of CSU members from the German Bundestag led by Dr Fritz Zimmermann and including the President of the Bundestag, Mr Richard Stücklen, and also the Bavarian Minister for Federal Affairs, Mr Peter Schmidhuber.
(') Tidligere mundtlig forespørgsel med forhandling (0-43/ 82), ændret til et spørgsmål til spørgetiden.
Mrs Fuillet, draftsman of an opinion. — (FR) Mr Tugendhat, you said that the Regional Fund has gone up by 36%. While I would not wish to dis­
Nu vil jeg gerne spørge den danske formand, om man i Danmark ville overveje at anvende plastickugler imod demonstranter?
President. — The next item is the second part of Question Time (Doc. 1-415/82).
Olesen. — Jeg forstod ikke til fulde spørgsmålet.
We start with questions to the Council.
Haagerup. — Jeg vil gerne sige til rådsformanden, at jeg tror, det er forstået, at dette specielle spørgsmål ikke har været diskuteret.
I would ask Members to appreciate that I will accept only one supplementary question in each case so that, in view of the number of questions, we can get through as many as possible.
Det var det, der var meningen med mit svar.
The groups must decide things internally.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 56 af Balfe (H-99/82):
I call Question No 39 by Mr Berkhouwer (H-181/ 82):
I hvilke lande i EF anvendes plastickugler til bekæmpelse af optøjer, og ville medlemsstaterne komme med indvendinger, hvis den belgiske regering gav tilladelse til anvendelse af plastickugler mod demonstranter fra andre medlemsstater, og som demonstrerede mod Kommissionen eller Parlamentet?
Does the Council consider it to be in keeping with the letter, the spirit and tenor of all the Benelux treaties, the completion of the customs union in 1978 etc., that — as happened in my own case on 17 May 1982 — the luggage of individuals travelling by car is still inspected at frontier posts between the Netherlands and Belgium, travellers being asked by the Belgian customs officials whether 'they have anything else to declare' (sic)?