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Nogle ved meget vel, hvad de gør, når de giver udtryk for, at politiske hensyn ikke bør inddrages i handelsmæssige forhandlinger.
We need a short time and we can gain that by supporting the amendment tabled by the Socialist Group.
Denne meget tvivl somme folkeafstemning og det yderst tvivlsomme valgresultat er blevet brugt af præsident Zia som et mandat til at fortsætte sit styre dér.
It is not an endorsement of the Pakistani regime; and in the same way I think it is a big mistake only to have diplomatic relations with those states which happen to suit one at the time.
Jeg tror, at det er meget farligt nu pludselig at hylde Zia og hans regering, blot fordi den militære undtagelsestilstand har været ophævet siden januar.
Here I agree with one of the oldest democracies on our continent, Switzerland, which does exactly the right thing by maintaining its representations every where and thus doing the cause of freedom a great service.
Der er ingen af os, der på nogen måde tvivler på, at uanset
We should take a similar approach to Pakistan.
Lad os nemlig ikke glemme, at blokken af islamiske nationer nu og i fremtiden i endnu højere grad er en betydlig politisk blok, og at vi i interesse for freden og ligevægten i verden har en absolut interesse i, at det er de moderate kræfter, der er de frem herskende i denne blok.
We are not against any agreement which the Community wants to establish to develop relations with any country; but in this particular case, what the speeches reveal is characteristic, and demonstrates yet again the 'Jesuitism' that exists in this House, when some groups speak of human rights, democracy, and other such matters.
Jeg vil sige som fru Wieczorek-Zeul før mig, at en af de afgørende prøver vil blive, hvad der sker, når fru Bhutto vender tilbage.
I think that is quite illogical, for we must not forget that the cooperation agreement forms the infrastructure.
Hun vender meget snart tilbage til Pakistan, og en meget fornuftig strategi vil være den pragmatiske strategi at afvente, hvordan de pakistanske myndigheder vil reagere over for en ægte demokratisk oppositionsgruppes opdukken. Hvis man tillader det, hvis Bhuttos gruppe og andre kritiske grupper får lov til at vokse sig større, så vil tiden være inde til at anerken de den pakistanske regering og Pakistan/EØF-afta-len.
How is Pakistan to help the 3·/2 million refugees from Afghanistan if it is not also given the means to make its infrastructure strong enough to be able to continue its generosity towards the Afghans?
Vi vil støtte ændringsforslaget af Wieczorek-Zeul, hvori det hedder »vent og se«.
Mr De Vries (LDR). — (NL) Madam President, I take the floor in this debate to explain my Amendment No 4.
Vi forkaster ikke aftalen.
It concerns the problem of the Afghan refugees.
Vi glæder os meget over den.
A great deal has already been said in the debate about this problem, the greatest refugee problem in the world.
Jeg har personligt mange pakistanske borgere i min valgkreds, og jeg kender deres glæde over at se, at den militære undtagelsestilstand er ophævet, men samtidig kender jeg deres meget reelle iver efter at se demokratiet styrket i deres land.
Commissioner Cheysson was right when he said that 70% of the 3 million Afghan refugees are women and children and that, by accepting these refugees, Pakistan is making a major contribution to the minimum of freedom that still exists in that part of the world.
Vi forkaster ikke handelsaftalen, vi glæder os over den.
Finally, it was argued that we should wait and see.
Men vi siger, at vi bør være forsigtige med at godkende den.
If people recognize something as right, they should act accordingly.
Vi har brug for lidt tid, og vi kan få den ved at støtte det ændringsforslag, den socialistiske gruppe har stillet.
But this renewal will not become effective until it is also supported by the other states of the subcontinent, and primarily by Pakistan.
Hvad demokratiseringen angår, er der dog en ting, man må erkende: hvis vi sammenligner det, Pakistan var for nogle år siden, med det, der siden er sket, er der sket et anseligt fremskridt.
Madam President, as a Community we have a duty to help alleviate the problem of the Afghan refugees.
Det er bestemt en mere hæderlig rolle for forsamlingen at kræve demokratiske rettigheder i Pa kistan.
That is why I hope we will be able to adopt the Mühlen report as it stands and to implement it as soon as possible.
Man har også sagt, at vedtagelsen af denne protokol ville være en erklæring for det pakistanske regime.
Fourthly, and most importantly, I call on the Commission to step up its activities in support of the Afghan refugees.
Jeg deler ikke denne opfattelse.
More is needed than the Community is doing at present.
Den betyder ikke nogen erklæring for det pakistanske regime, og på nøjagtig samme måde er det efter min mening igen en helt oplagt fejl, hvis man kun opretholder diplomatiske forbindelser med stater, der netop passer en.
I address this appeal explicitly to Commissioner Cheysson, and I hope that he will take up this problem in his reply to this debate.
Næstformand
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Habsburg (PPE). — (DE) Fru formand, først vil jeg gerne takke kommissær Cheysson hjerteligt for hans udmærkede og klare redegørelse for den reelle situation.
Mr Ephremidis (COM). — (GR) Madam President, the present debate is truly revealing about the mental ity prevailing in the Community, and ultimately about the Community's policy itself.
Jeg gør det så meget hellere, som vi — hvilket hr. Cheysson vil huske — ikke altid har været af sam me mening.
A number of colleagues maintain that the renewal of the agreement with Pakistan should be hastened.
For hvad er det, det virkelig drejer sig om i Pakistan?
That is all very revealing.
Den foregående ærede taler har netop bebrejdet hr. Cheysson for at tale om strategiske spørgsmål, idet »strategisk« og »militært« åbenhart er et og det sam me begreb for ham.
We want to increase our influence in that strategically important part of the world, and things like democracy, human rights, etc., are of secondary importance and can be forgotten.
Der er også noget, der hedder politisk strategi, og netop vi i Europa-Parlamentet bør også tænke på en europæisk politisk strategi.
We want to strengthen the Zia regime, and never mind that he has a criminal past, never mind that he murdered Bhutto, who had been duly elected by the people of Pakistan, never mind that he proscribes the functioning of political parties; all that matters not at all.
Der for har Pakistan for os som repræsentanter for en frihedselskende demokratisk tankegang en absolut
What matters is Pakistan's strategic position, the hospitality to Afghan refugees — poor people, do let us support them — but we forget that this amounts to hundreds of camps where guerillas are trained to carry out incursions into Afghanistan and perpetuate the anomalous situation in that part of the world, which harbours threats to peace.
Der blev gjort den kritiske bemærkning — jeg tror af fru Wieczorek-Zeul — at man ikke måtte koble sam arbejdsaftalen sammen med flygtningespørgsmålet.
Mr Cheysson has tried to conceal all that under the slogan 'Following the footsteps of Alexander the Great'.
Jeg synes, det er en total mangel på logik, lad os nem lig ikke glemme: samarbejdsaftalen udgør jo infrastrukturen.
His memory reached as far as Alexander the Great — and other colleagues followed him in this —
Hvordan skal Pakistan kunne hjælpe de tre og en halv million flygtninge fra Afghanistan, hvis man ikke samtidig giver det muligheder for at gøre sin infrastruktur så stærk, at det kan fortsætte sin generøse rolle til afghanernes bedste? Selv om det alt så ikke direkte er en hjælp til afghanerne, så er det dog indirekte en ganske væsentlig hjælp for flygtningene, når vi vedtager samarbejdsaftalen.
Mrs Thome-Patenôtre (RDE). — (FR) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, of the various objectives set out in the draft agreement between the EEC and Pakistan, I will concentrate on scientific and technical cooperation in the energy sector and various other fields, especially agriculture, fisheries and for estry.
Habsburg ændringsforslag nr. 4, som jeg har stillet; det drejer sig om problemet med de afghanske flygtninge.
When this first agreement was concluded, an elected government was in office in Pakistan.
Der er under denne debat allerede brugt megen opmærksomhed på dette spørgsmål, det største flygtningeproblem i verden.
But since 1977 the country has been governed by the military dictatorship of General Zia Ul-Haq under which martial law and emergency measures were imposed in order to make the social situation match his needs.
Med rette har kommissær Cheysson påpeget, at 70% af de 3 millioner afghanske flygtninge i Pakistan er kvinder og børn, og at Pakistan ved at modtage disse flygtninge yder et betydeligt bidrag til det minimum af frihed, som endnu eksisterer i denne del af verden.
No one disputes that Pakistan needs money to build up its industry and develop backward rural areas, to electrify the country and teach the people literacy. But, this cooperation agreement would stabilize a regime which invests 50% of its national budget in the armed forces in order to strengthen the military rule, and not to develop the country.
Dette argument bliver altid brugt, når man vil sige nej til noget, men ikke vover at sige det til sine egne folk, fordi man ikke har en rigtig argumentation for sin egen holdning.
It is absolutely clear in the circumstances that it is right to continue on the course plotted.
Hvis man altså har indset, at noget er rigtigt, burde man handle i overensstemmelse dermed.
It is here that the report orginally drafted by our colleague Mr Mühlen, which we welcomed, takes on its full importance.
Jeg tror, at nu er det sidste chance at handle til gavn for Pakistan: for Afghanistan, for de afghanske flygtninge, for en for ståelse med den islamiske verden, for en fredsordning og ikke mindst — et punkt, der endnu ikke er blevet berørt — også i Indiens interesse, i Indien er der nemlig fornyelse.
This agreement, let us remember, is aimed primarily at giving effective assistance to a country which has a balance-of-pay-ments deficit, limited public and private resources, a dangerous level of population growth, and severe shortcomings in its infrastructures.
Men denne fornyelse får først virkning, når den opnår støtte også fra andre af subkontinentets stater — i første række fra Pakistan.
As several speakers have mentioned, there are over 3 million Afghan refugees in Pakistan, and their presence is exacerbating an already very difficult economic situation, so that this Community aid is all the more essential.
Vi har som Fællesskab en opgave med at bidrage til oplysningen om problemet med de afghanske flygtninge. Vi har også denne opgave med hensyn til de pakistanere, der i deres region konfronteres med strømmen af afghanske flygtninge.
Although martial law was lifted in December last year, the President remains Chief of General Staff of the Armed Forces and by changing the constitution he has virtually written himself a blank cheque to rule with out regard to the National Assembly and even against its will.
Derfor mit ændringsforslag til beslutningsforslaget.
That is legalized breach of the constitution.
Således håber jeg, at det vil lykkes at få Mühlenbetænkningen vedtaget, som den var, og hurtigst mu ligt at få den omsat til handling.
I would remind you that, in its original wording, the motion for a resolution now before us confined itself to expressing approval of this agreement between the Community and Pakistan.
For det første peger jeg deri på problemet med de afghanske flygtninge.
Free elections exist only as promises made by the dictator.
For det fjerde, det vigtigste punkt, anmoder jeg Kommissionen om at intensivere sine aktiviteter til støtte af de afghanske flygtninge. Det er nødvendigt med mere end det, Fællesskabet hidtil har gjort.
Human rights are trampled underfoot, women are deprived of their rights by Islamization, opponents of the military dictatorship continue to perish in the prisons and political prisoners continue to be tortured.
Denne appel retter jeg udtrykkeligt til kom missær Cheysson, og jeg håber, at han senere i sit svar på denne debat vil gå ind på dette problem.
I beg you to refuse to approve this cooperation agree ment at least for the time being.
Fru formand, til sidst har såvel fru Wieczorek-Zeul som andre talere under denne debat anmodet om opmærksomhed om problemet med de afghanske flygtninge.
Moreover, this is the view which has just been expressed by Commissioner Cheysson, who visited Pakistan recently; he pointed out, for instance, that elections had been held in February 1985 and that the state of emergency had been lifted.
Hvad der end sker med denne betænkning i dag, håber jeg, at dette ændringsforslag vil kunne opnå hele Parlamentets støtte fra ventre til højre.
The appropriate course is manifestly to modify three points in the motion for a resolution, to approve this agreement, to encourage Pakistan to make further progress along the difficult path to democracy, and to respect the national integrity of the Pakistanis.
Thome-Patenôtre (RDE). — (FR) Fru formand, kære kolleger, blandt de mål, der er nævnt i forslaget til aftale mellem EØF og Pakistan, lægger jeg særligt mærke til det videnskabelige og tekniske samarbejde inden for energisektoren og samarbejdet inden for en række områder som navnlig landbrug, fiskeri og skovbrug.
It is therefore clear to Pakistan, as it is to us, that the draft cooperation agreement should be approved. We for our part consider that it would be a grave error not to develop closer relations, at all levels, with Pakistan, which, as Mr Cheysson was rightly reminding us, plays a key role in the Islamic Conference and is one of the few countries which has relations with both Iran and Iraq.
Ephremidis (COM). — (GR) Fru formand, forhandlingen om Fællesskabets ånd og i dybden om selve Fællesskabets politik er virkeligt afslørende.
Mr Seeler (S). — (DE) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, the report we have been discussing today took a very curious turn.
Nogle kolleger påstår, at man bør fremskynde indgåelsen af en ny aftale med den islamiske republik pakistan.
The original report Mr Mühlen had submitted to the committee consisted of just one part, a resolution to the effect that we advise the plenary to approve this cooperation agreement.
Hvad er grunden hertil? Et stort og rigt land med en strategisk beliggenhed og som har modtaget 3 millioner afghanske flygtninge.
The report before us for discussion now is almost totally in line with the amendments which Mrs Wieczorek-Zeul and I tabled in the Committee on External Economic Relations and which were adopted there with varying majorities.
Alt dette er afslørende.
With one exception, however.
Vi vil gerne øge vor indflydelse på dette strategiske om råde af verden, og alt om demokrati, menneskerettigheder etc. kommer i anden række, og vi glemmer det te.
For the report does not advise the plenary what position to take on this cooperation agreement.
Alt dette ønskede hr. Cheysson at skjule under mottoet »Alexander den Stores fremmarch«.
A motion recommending adoption of the agreement was rejected by a tie, as was a motion to reject the agree ment.
Han mindede om Alexander den Store — og andre kolleger fulgte hans tanke — om at vi i hvert fald hurtigst muligt bør ratificere en sådan aftale. Dette viser, hvordan fælles skabspolitik er.
So there is no conclusive recommendation by the Committee on External Economic Relations on this cooperation agreement before Parliament.
Men i dette konkrete tilfælde er afsløringen af grundene hertil karakteristisk og viser endnu en gang, hvilken 7jesuitisme« der her sker i denne sal, når forskellige politiske grupper taler om menneskerettigheder, demokrati og andre ting.
Madam President, our group will be voting in favour of Mr Mühlen's report, the approval of which we regard as a matter of great urgency and importance.
(Bifald fra gruppen af kommunister og beslægtede)
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Hvad udviklingen angår, tilsigter aftalen forbedring af effektiviteten af den bistand, som Fællesskabet yder Pakistan, og sikring af samordningen af Fælles skabets og dettes medlemsstaters indsats.
Mr Heinrich (ARC). — (DE) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, Parliament is being asked to give its
Der er der for ingen tvivl om, at man bør fortsætte ad den skitserede vej, og her er det, at hr. Pühlens oprindelige betænkning, som vi er glade for, antager hele sin betydning.
Meanwhile, and I am coming to my main point, mar tial law has been lifted in Pakistan and we can hope, although we are not sure yet, that Pakistan is on the road towards more democracy and more justice.
Det skal understreges, at aftalen fremfor alt tilsigter effektiv bistand til et land, der har under skud på betalingsbalancen, begrænsede offentlige og private midler, en hastigt voksende befolkning og sto re mangler inden for infrastrukturen.
That is why I agree with all those here who regard it as more sensible to wait a few months and observe developments before we take a final decision.
Fællesskabets de Vries (LDR). — (NL) Fru formand, jeg tager ordet i denne forhandling for at give en begrundelse for
And that is why Mrs Wieczorek-Zeul and I tabled Amendment No 2, which inserts a new paragraph 4(a) saying that we should wait a few months before taking the definitive decision.
Seeler (S). — (DE) Fru formand, mine damer og her rer, denne betænkning, som vi har debatteret i mor ges, havde taget en meget mærkværdig udvikling.
Seeler those who are familiar with the Asian mentality will know that saving face is enormously important there.
Imidlertid — og dermed kommer jeg til det egentlige indhold — er krigsrettilstanden i Pakistan blevet op hævet, dvs. vi kan håbe, endnu er vi ikke sikre, på, at Pakistan er på vej til demokrati og er mere en retsstat.
May I remind you that last year for the first time an MP of the Philippine opposition came to Luxembourg with the parliamentary delegation of the ASEAN states to attend the annual meeting with Members of the European Parliament.
Derfor har fru Wieczorek-Zeul og jeg stil let forslag nr. 2, der i et nyt punkt 4 a) siger, at vi bør vente nogle måneder, før den endelige beslutning tages. ges.
That did not happen just like that; it was a result of the opportunities the cooperation agreement has given us MEPs too.
Da denne første aftale blev indgået, havde Pakistan en valgt regering.
It took lengthy and difficult negotiations for this to come about.
Hvis det i løbet af den tid bekræftes, at krigsrettilstanden i Pakistan ikke blot er hævet formelt, men at også dens følger er overvundet, er jeg for at indgå denne samarbejdsaftale. Denne aftale giver Det euro pæiske Fællesskab mulighed for at hjælpe Pakistan i dets videre udvikling.
If it is confirmed over that period that martial law has been lifted in more than just formal terms and that its effects have also been removed, I will be in favour of concluding this agreement, which makes it possible for the European Community to help Pakistan in its further development.
Den giver os — Parlamentet — flere kontaktmuligheder til parlamentarikere i Paki-
It offers us, the Parliament, more chances of contact with Members of the Pakistani Par liament, including those in the opposition.
Netop ASEAN-samarbejdsaftalen, tror jeg har givet Det europæiske Fællesskab, Rådet, Kommissionen og Parlamentet muligheder for at påvirke udviklingen på Filippinerne i en god retning.
And I think the ASEAN cooperation agreement in particular has given the European Community, the Council, the Commission and Parliament too an opportunity to exert a good influence on develop ments in the Philippines.
Afalle disse grunde plæderer jeg for, hvis udviklingen i Pakistan forløber, som vi håber, at vi om nogle måneder træffer en afgørende beslutning og stemmer for denne aftale.
For all these reasons I ask you, if Pakistan follows the road we hope, to take a final decision in a few months time and then to approve this agreement.
Hr. von Habsburg har henvist til spørgsmålet de afghanske flygtninge.
Mr Habsburg referred to the question of Afghan refugees.
Det havde været engod idé, hvis De havde kastet et blik i selve aftalen, så havde De kunnet konstatere, at der ikke er truffet nogen finansielle ordninger der. Den eksisterende handelsaftale med Pakistan, udgør jo allerede infrastrukturen for de økonomiske forbindelser.
It would have been worth his while to take a look at the actual agreement, for then he would have seen that it does not contain any financial provisions.
I udvalget har vi helt urvetydigt af Kommissionen fået at vide, at der er ikke regnet med nye bevillinger med denne samarbejdsaftale.
In committee the Commission told us quite bluntly that no new resources were allocated under this cooperation agreement.
Det er altså ikke et instrument til at hjælpe flygtningene fra Afghanistan.
So it is not an instrument to help the refugees from Afghanistan.
Endnu for få årtier siden var mange stater i Europa præget og behersket af fascistiske og nationalsocialistiske diktaturer.
We in Europe — and I would like to say this first — must surely not forget that our democratic his tory is not that perfect either.
Hvis vi på den anden side altid ville vente, til vores aftalepartnere er fuldendte demokrati ske retsstater, ville vi have svært ved at finde partnere til samarbejdsaftaler.
Only a few decades ago many European countries were dominated and ruled by Fascist and National Socialist dictatorships.
Så burde vi for eksempel ikke have indgået en sådan aftale med Andespagt-staterne, for Peru f.eks. har ganske vist i nogen tid haft en demokratisk valgt præsident, men der er stadig væk undtagelsestilstand, der er stadig politiske fanger, og stadig udøver politi og militær et terrorherredømme, Så ville vi end ikke have lov til at overveje at indgå en sådan samarbejdsaftale, for San Salvador, Guatemala og andre stater er langt fra at være demokratiske retsstater.
But on the other hand, if we always waited until our partners had become perfect democratic constitutional states we would have great difficulty finding partners at all for cooperation agreement with the Andean pact states, for Peru may have had a democratically elected President for some time, but there is still a state of emergency, there are still political prisoners, the police and armed forces are still imposing a rule of terror.
Vi forventer, at følgerne af krigsrettilstanden i Pakistan overvindes så hurtigt som muligt.
We expect the effects of martial law in Pakistan to be removed as quickly as possible.
Vi forventer, at alle politiske fanger bliver løsladt.
We expect all political prisoners to be released.
Vi forventer, at domme afsagt af militærdomstole bliver efterprøvet af ordinære civildomstole.
We expect military court sen tences to be verifiable by proper civil courts.
Vi forventer, at politiske partier bliver tilladt, og at de får mulighed for frit at udfolde sig.
We expect political parties to be permitted and to be free to operate.
Vi forventer altså, at Pakistan går videre ad en vej, der svarer til det, vi håber af vores samar bejdspartnere.
So we expect Pakistan to continue along the road we always hope contracting parties to our agreements will take.
Samarbejdspartneren Pakistan har alt så selv afgørelsen i hånden, om samarbejdsaftalen bliver ført ud i livet, eller om den bliver ved med at være et værdiløst stykke papir.
As a contracting party, Pakistan therefore has the choice whether to help breathe life into the cooperation agreement or whether to let it remain a worthless piece of paper.
Jeg må erindre om, at i Malaysia, Indonesien og Sin gapore sidder mange mennesker i fængsel uden dom fældelse, fordi de opponerer, fordi den herskende re gering ikke synes om dem.
May I remind you that after an allegedly free election a state such as Singapore sent one single oppositon deputy to the Parliament, and that was regarded as a democratic industrial accident. dent.