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Det er det italienske parlaments antimafiakommissions protokoller, som nævner hr. Lima 164 gange på 164 sider i 26 bind.
There are the reports of the anti-Mafia committee of the Italian Parliament, which refer to Mr Lima no fewer than 164 times in 164 pages of 26 volumes.
Han er en så omtalt, så omdiskuteret, så mistænkt, lad os blot sige det, så anklaget person, der har været igennem dusinvis af processer i vort land.
He is a man so much talked about, so much discussed, so much suspected, so widely accused — we may as well say it — who has been the subject of dozens of legal proceedings in our country.
Men man ved så godt, hvordan disse ting ender, når man indtager en prestige- og magtstilling på Sicilien, i Italien, ja endog i Europa-Parlamentet.
But we all know how these things finish up, when you hold a position of prestige and power in Sicily, in Italy and, possibly, in the European Parliament as well.
Det er i hvert fald klart, at en sådan mand i det min ste burde føle pligt til at gøre rede for sine handlinger.
It is at all events clear that such a man ought at least to feel it his duty to give an account of his actions.
Her drejer det sig ikke om at vente på, hvad de italienske domstole vil gøre.
It is not a question here of waiting to see what the Italian legal authorities will do.
Jeg mener ikke, at det er af sekundær betydning: det er noget meget vigtigt, hr. formand.
For my part, I shall vote for the motion for the reasons I have explained, and also because of the esteem and friendship I feel for Mr Tortora, who asked my Italian socialist colleagues and myself to take this line.
Mafiaen er ikke alene et italiensk forhavende, men har nu forbindelse med internationale net.
I would ask you, however, Mr President, in so far as it is within your power, to ask the Italian Government to ensure that the trial involving Mr Tortora should be held as soon as possible, in accordance with Italian law and citizens' rights.
Jeg har stillet et beslutningsforslag herom, og jeg håber, hr. formand, at dette beslutningsforslag, der drejer sig om hr. Lima, vil bli ve behandlet som et uopsætteligt spørgsmål af præsidiet. diet.
Speed in carrying out the due pro cesses of law, and promptness in delivering verdicts, Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, are, equally, acts of justice.
Molinari (ARC). — (IT) Hr. formand, også jeg giver udtryk for min tilslutning til retsudvalgets afgørelse — der i øvrigt følger af en anmodning fra hr. Tortora selv — om at give tilladelse til at indlede retsforfølgning, og er enig i at bifalde det ærede medlems positive adfærd, ikke alene fordi han har udtrykt den ne anmodning om at kunne underkaste sig de italien ske domstoles dom fri for ethvert bånd i form af Par lamentets beskyttelse, men også fordi han ud fra visse aspekter har brugt sit parlamentariske mandat til at påpege en ud fra et juridisk synspunkt forkert situation i vort land.
Institutions have the right to make a political and moral judgment, and this institution has a duty to judge politically — not from the judges' standpoint, but politically and morally — a man who for 30 years has been talked about in this way in his country; a man whose friends are all in prison and all members of the Mafia; a man who is connected with the international drug trafficking groups.
Det er derfor en tilslutning til og et bifald af hr. Tortoras adfærd, der dog ikke sætter spørgsmålstegn ved værdien af den parlamentariske immunitet, især ikke af den parlamentariske immunitet over for enhver politisk forbrydelse, som vi mener bør bevares og opretholdes som en af de vestlige demokratiers grundlæggende rettigheder og som ud tryk for en kultur, der i hvert fald må bekræftes.
These things are in all the Italian papers, and I am amazed that the Christian Democrat members do not feel it their duty to press Salvo Lima to stand up and tell the President what his position is in Italy.
Men netop fordi jeg bifaldt hr. Tortoras adfærd og moralske, menneskelige og politiske værdi over for Parlamentet, må det være mig tilladt på egne vegne — jeg midinddrager ikke min gruppe i dette — over for Parlamentet, over for Dem, hr. formand, at påpege en helt anderledes adfærd af et andet medlem, der
Mr Molinari (ARC). — (IT) Mr President, I too should like to express my support for the decision of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Citizens' Rights — which follows, moreover, a request made by Mr Tortora himself — to grant authority for proceedings to be brought, and I join also in applauding the very correct behaviour of the honourable Member, not only because he himself asked to be tried by the Italian courts free from any protection by Parliament, but also because he to some extent used the parliamentary mandate to denounce a situation that, from the legal
Hr. formand, jeg har her en tilbagetrædelseserklæring, som jeg vil indgive, dersom retsudvalgets forslag til
(The President urged the speaker to conclude)
Tortora afgørelse, der skal muliggøre fortsættelsen af retssagen imod mig, ikke vedtages af Parlamentet.
Mr President, I have a letter of resignation, which I intend to present to you, in the case of rejection by the House of the Legal Affairs Committee's motion for a resolution authorizing legal proceedings against me.
Jeg er sikker på, at vi alle i fællesskab vil gøre det muligt for mig som borger at få ret og ikke kun pligt til at blive fri kendt eller dømt under sagens videre forløb.
Yet I have no doubt that the House will not deny me as a citizen the right, and not only the duty, to be acquitted or found guilty when he is the object of legal proceedings.
get — nærmer betænkningen sig det forslag, som jeg fuldt ud tilslutter mig ud fra de begrundelser, det hviler på.
With these considerations as its point of departure — without, however, their implying any judgment on the case in which Mr Tortora is allegedly implicated — the report ends with a proposal which I entirely sup port, for the reasons on which it is based.
Det drejer sig naturligvis ikke om at udtale sig for eller imod immunitet, men om i praksis at under strege, hvordan den endnu kan være gyldig for at beskytte den parlamentariske institution.
There is no question of our having to vote for or against the institution of immunity; what we are doing is emphasizing the fact that this immunity can still be of value in pro tecting the institution of Parliament.
Ligesom de radikale, som jeg har den ære at repræsentere i denne kamp for borgernes lige ret for loven, har jeg allerede sagt, at jeg kun ønsker mulighed for at bevise, at enhver borger, parlamentsmedlem eller ikke, har pligt — en hellig pligt — til at fremstå for sin rette dommere, til at kræve at retten sker fyldest i det omfang, hvori retsstaten fremdeles består.
I have already stated, in common with the Radicals whom I have the honour of representing in this battle for the equality of the citizen in the eyes of the law, that I ask nothing more than the chance to demonstrate that every citizen, whether a Member of Parlia ment or not, has a sacred duty to appear before his judges and demand that justice be done, provided, of course, that the rule of law prevails.
Også jeg giver hr. Tortora ret i, at han har optrådt yderst korrekt og loyalt, og i, at han således har givet et forbillede, som jeg tror fortjener vor opmærksom hed.
I, too, should like to acknowledge that Mr Tortora has behaved in an extremely correct and loyal manner, giving us thereby an example that I think is deserving of our attention.
Vi ved godt, at ophævelsen, som indebærer til ladelse til at indlede retsforfølgning, også på det pro ceduremæssige plan er forskellig fra den ophævelse, der indebærer anholdelse, således som det fremgår af artikel 68 i den italienske forfatning, der også, hvad angår bestemmelserne heri, finder anvendelse på medlemmerne af Europa-Parlamentet i overensstemmelse med den henvisning, der findes i artikel 10 i protokollen vedrørende De europæiske Fællesskabers privilegier og immuniteter.
We are well aware that the waiver authorizing the bringing of proceedings is quite distinct, from the procedural point of view also, from the waiver which implies arrest, as is made very clear by Article 68 of the Italian Constitution, the provisions of which are applicable to MEPs pursuant to the refer ence made in Article 10 of the Protocol on the Privileges and Immunities of the European Communities.
Det forhold, man anklager mig for, er gement og vanærende og havde i hvert fald til at begynde med intet med politisk forfølgelse at gøre.
The infamous and defamatory crimes of which I am accused have nothing, at least not at first glance, to do with political activity.
I fuld respekt for den størst mulige frihed for den enkelte gentager jeg her, at immunitetsprincippet, der er skabt for at forsvare friheden og ikke for at hjælpe misdædere, ikke må drages i tvivl.
With the greatest respect for the liberty of the individual, I repeat that the principle of immunity, designed to defend liberty, and not to pro tect criminals, is not at issue here.
Det er jeg sikker på, at De udmærket forstår.
I feel sure you have grasped this.
I det foreliggende tilfælde er tilladelsen til at indlede retsforfølgning givet efter en upartisk og dybtgående vurdering, som, gentager jeg, jeg fuldt ud tilslutter mig.
In this particular instance, the authorization to bring proceedings has been granted after a calm appraisal of all the details of the case, and, I repeat, I am in complete agreement with it.
I denne vurdering glemmer man ikke artikel 6 i den europæiske konvention om menneskerettigheder ne, der understreger, hvordan enhver borger — hvad enten han er parlamentsmedlem eller ej — skal dømmes retfærdigt og inden for en rimelig frist.
This appraisal also takes account of Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which emphasizes that every citizen — Member of Parliament or not — must be judged fairly and within a reasonable time.
Det er derfor også i denne ånd, at vi forbereder os på at stemme for ophævelsen af hr. Tortoras parlamentariske immunitet.
It is therefore in this spirit, also, that we are about to vote in favour of the waiver of Mr Tortora's parliamentary immunity.
Men med Deres tilladelse vil jeg rette en indtrængende bøn til mine italienske kolleger.
However, if I may, I would like to address a special plea to the Italian Members of the House.
Italien gennemlever for tiden frygtelige øjeblikke. Italiens øjne hviler ikke kun på mig, men også på Dem med den yderste opmærksomhed.
At present Italy is experiencing some dreadful events which con cern not only myself but all of you and calls for your utmost vigilance.
Der sker forfærdende og farlige ting i vort land, ting der er farlige for borgerens rettigheder, som hyppigt er i ly for vanvittige processer og såkaldt »angrende« forbrydere.
Something terrible and dangerous is taking place in our country which threatens the rights of citizens, who are often at the mercy of ridiculous proceedings, or so-called 'reformed' criminals.
Ja, kære italienske kolleger, hvis denne situation er rigtig — og det er den — kan man ændre den ved igen at sætte domstolene inden for deres grænser i form af love og lovreformer og ikke ved hjælp af ufattelige tilsløringer, fiduser og privilegier som f.eks. immuniteten, der i dette tilfælde bliver til regulær straffrihed.
Fellow Italian Members, I have to inform you that if such a situation has come about — and it has — the way to remedy it is by restoring the judiciary to its proper place, through laws and reforms of the code, and not by sleight of hand, tricks, unbelievable privileges such as freedom from prosecution, which is tantamount, in such circumstances, to veritable impunity.
Pannella (NI). — (IT) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, vi italienske radikale har lige fra begyndelsen af sidste valgperiode, også i fuld anerkendelse af de vedvarende grunde, der taler for et omend reformeret forsvar af den parlamentariske immunitet som institution, understreget nødvendigheden af i højst mulig grad at være opmærksomme på også den folkevalgtes uafhændelige ret til at blive dømt, når domstolene anklager ham for en eller anden forbrydelse.
Mr Pannella (NI). — (IT) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, since the beginning of the last Parliament we Italian Radicals, whilst fully recognizing the powerful arguments in favour of the defence, albeit reformed, of the institution of parliamentary immunity, have emphasized the need also to bear always in mind the inalienable right of the Member to appear before the judge if at any time he is accused of some offence or other.
Barzanti (COM). — (IT) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, jeg vil gerne sige, at vi — både jeg selv og den kom munistiske gruppe — vil stemme for Donnez-betænk-ningen efter et ihærdigt arbejde fra hele retsudvalgets side.
There is a contradiction — a very stark one — which we wish to make clear: whilst there exist the preroga-
Det er ikke tilfældigt, at denne betænkning har fået enstemmig tilslutning i retsudvalget. Den klarlægger meget vel — og jeg tror, at dette også vil give stof til eftertanke for den nationale lovgiver — hvordan den parlamentariske immunitet ikke udgør og ikke bør udgøre et privilegium for de enkelte medlemmer, men en garanti for Parlamentets uafhængighed over for andre myndigheder.
I should like to thank you, in advance, for your vote, and close with a reminder that today, 10 December 1984, something may change in the style of politics in our country, and we badly need it.
Almirante (DR). — (IT) Hr. formand, jeg har den ære for de europæiske højrepartiers gruppe at udtrykke vor tilslutning til den af hr. Donnez fremsatte an­modning og til den, der er fremsat i samme retning af hr. Tortora.
It is for this reason too, that we want this trial. And we hope that not only Amnesty International will be present, but that you, honourable Members, will appear in force — when the trial takes place — to witness this monstrosity.
ling af det radikale medlem, af vores ven, kollega og kammerat, Enzo Tortora, som formanede os om, at det var i Parlamentets interesse — ikke alene dets ret — at nå frem til denne fuldbyrdelse af retfærdighe­den.
(Interruption by Mr Klepsch) tives of the guarantees and the independence of an Assembly, there also exists the inalienable right of the individual to be judged, discharged or condemned if at any time he is publicly accused by the legal authorities of having committed this or that offence.
Vi er derfor helt overbeviste om, at retsudvalgets betænkning med den skriftlige begrundelse og den mundtlige, med hr. Donnez' indlæg i dag — som sæd­vanlig fremragende, konsekvent og seriøst — vil opnå vor næsten enstemmige — jeg håber enstemmige — vedtagelse ; at vi alle vil stemme for denne tilladelse til at indlede retsforfølgning.
It is a right that stands in opposition to some extent — often dramatically so — to the collective need of an Assembly to defend historically its own independence from possible attack through the persecution of individual members of that Assembly.
Spørgsmålet om tilladelser til at indlede retsfor­følgning er et spørgsmål af yderste vigtighed, især for­di — og det er noget der erindredes om for lidt siden — enhver af os, idet vi repræsenterer vort eget land, samtidig repræsenterer dets retfærdighed eller dets uretfærdighed, om man vil. Der eksisterer endnu ikke en europæisk retsbestemmelse, der samtidig beskytter os og henfører os, under bestemte retsregler.
Having said that, Mr President, we wish to show our very deep gratitude for the statements so far made in this Chamber, as well as those very numerous and exhaustive ones already made to the Committee on Legal Affairs and Citizens' Rights, supporting the con tinuous, constant request, repeated daily and at every opportunity by the Radical, friend, colleague and comrade Enzo Tortora, who warned us that it was not only his right but it was also to his advantage, as well as to the advantage of our Assembly, to see justice done in this way.
Det er tilstrækkeligt med et enkelt eksempel, kære kolleger: den aften under blitzen, da Enzo Tortora blev anholdt, udelukkende efter anmeldelse fra en massemorder og mentalt syg person, der gentagne gange er erkendt som sådan af de italienske domstole, selv samme nat blev ca. 150 italienske borgere anholdt sammen med hr. Tortora
Mr Almirante (DR). — (IT) Mr President, I have the honour to express, on behalf of the Group of the European Right, our vote in favour of the request put forward by Mr Donnez, and the request in the same terms made by Mr Tortora.
Derfor betragter vi Donnez­betænkningen som et modigt skridt frem ad retfærdighedens, rettens, mora­lens og forbedringens lange vej.
We are entirely convinced, therefore, that the report of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Citizens' Rights, with its written explanations and those added, today, in the speech by Mr Donnez — which was excellent, thorough and precise, as usual — will receive our almost unanimous — I hope it will be unanimous — approval, and that we shall all vote in favour of this authorization to bring proceedings.
— for først at blive løsladt igen efter uger eller måne­der — blot fordi de var skyldige i at have samme navn! Hr. formand, kære kolleger, tilsvarende ting sker ikke engang i Sovjetunionen, hvor det dog sker, at personer forsvinder, men i det mindste skammer retsvæsenet sig over disse fejltagelser, det tilstår dem ikke: det slår dem ihjel, det er sandt, men uden at undskylde sig med retfærdighed!
We have very much appreciated, and I personally have very much appreciated, the report by Mr Donnez, whom I should like to take this opportunity now of thanking also for his action during the last Parliament, when he behaved with the same correctness and the same high principles when dealing with an authorization to bring proceedings against me personally, which was granted also at my request.
Den aften anholdtes ca. 150 italienske borgere ligesom hr. Tortora, og de italienske domstole frigav dem så senere uden at for­følge de ansvarlige dommere for uduelighed og uvær­dighed i embedet og uden at give de pågældende nogen undskyldning: vi tog fejl, vi anholdt dem på grund af et navnefællesskab.
And I should like also to express my warm appreciation to Mr Tortora for the correctness, the openness, and the loyalty with which he has behaved, and which has marked every thing he has said.
Og vi håber, at ikke alene Amnesty International vil være til stede, men at også De, kære medlemmer, vil møde talrigt frem — når retssagen finder sted — for at være vidner til denne uhyrlighed.
We therefore consider Mr Donnez's report a brave step forward in the service of justice, law, morality and the restoration of moral principles.
(Afbrydelse fra Klepsch)
President. — The debate is closed.
Patterson (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, på side 5 i dokumentet henvises der i sidste led til resultatet af afstemningerne om Kommissionens forslag.
I shall personally vote in favour so that it will be possible to judge, with Tortora, acts of justice that I con sider infamous, literally disgraceful and infamous.
Der var intet beslutningsdygtigt flertal fredag under sidste mødeperiode. Jeg mener derfor, at vi først og fremmest må stemme om forslaget og først derefter gå over til selve betænkningen.
Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, such things do not happen even in Russia, where people may indeed disappear, but where at least the legal authorities are ashamed of these mistakes and do not admit them: they kill the people involved, true, but without pleading the legal right to do so!
Jeg ser, at en eller anden, der ikke er italiener, protes­terer. Jeg vil gerne sige en enkelt ting til ham : det vil fra vor side være en stor ære at acceptere en hvilken som helst diskussion om kendsgerningerne, men ikke om rygterne; for vi ved, at domstolene er en betin­gelse for uafhængighed og frihed, vi er som radikale på sokratisk vis i den grad overbeviste om det, at selv om der herimod skulle blive fremført immunitets­grunde, har vi alligevel til hensigt at anmode om og opnå retssagern fordi dette, selv om lovene og dom­merne er uretfærdige, er den store civiliserede og ikke­voldelige vej til at skabe retfærdighed.
That eve ning, about 150 Italian citizens were arrested, as was Tortora, and the Italian legal authorities, without pro secuting — on the grounds of incompetence and pro fessional inadequacy — the magistrates responsible for the arrests, then released these people without even begging their pardon: 'We made a mistake, we arrested them because their names were the same as those of the people we were really after'.
(') Se forhandlingerne af 16.11.1984.
(Parliament adopted the proposal for a decision)
Inden punkt 1 — Ændringsforslag nr. 1 von der Vring (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, begge har for så vidt ret, og der vil fortsat være en vis modstrid af formelle årsager.
Report (Doc. 2-952/84) by Mr von Bismarck, drawn up on behalf of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and Industrial Policy, on the proposal from the Commission to the Council (Doc.
Jeg anmoder derfor om, at betænkningen henvises til udvalget, så denne fejl kan blive rettet.
2944/84 — COM(84) 587 final) for the adoption of the annual report on the economic situation in the Community and the establishment of economic policy guidelines for 1985.1
Patterson (ED). — (EN) Jeg tror ikke, at mine ord blev tolket rigtigt: jeg anmoder om, at den første afstemning bliver om Kommissionens forslag om vedtagelse af beretningen.
Mr Herman (PPE), deputy rapporteur. — (FR) In pre vious years, Mr President, it was never dealt with in this way.
Vi har ikke stemt om Kommissionens forslag endnu, hvilket vi bør gøre inden afstemningen om von Bismarck-betænkningen.
However, there is a certain logic in Mr Patterson's approach.
Jeg henviser igen til sidste led i præamblet : » der hen viser til resultatet af afstemningerne om Kommissionens forslag«.
It is correct to say that if we draw up a report which calls for a decision by the Council, then logically we should vote.
Vi har endnu ikke stemt om Kommissionens forslag.
It is no less true, how ever, that in previous years we did not proceed in the manner now being suggested by Mr Patterson.
Man har fundet den udmærket, man har accepteret den, og man vil for modentlig på ny behandle den på et kommende møde i Rådet af økonomi- og finansministre.
President. — If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that we proceed as in previous years.
Efter forkastelsen af punkterne 16 til 18
That is a conclusion you are at liberty to draw, Mr President, but it is not what I said.
Formanden. — Hr. Patterson, vi skal ikke udtale os om Kommissionens forslag, men om det beslutningsforslag, som vedrører Kommissionens årsberetning om den økonomiske situation, og som er indeholdt i von Bismarck-betænkningen.
Mr Patterson (ED). — Mr President, on the first page of this document the last indent of the preamble refers to the result of the vote on the Commission's proposal.
Gautier (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, når vi nu har for kastet de sidste punkter, så kan vi jo ikke sende beslutningen til Rådet, hvilket vi ellers i sidste punkt havde pålagt formanden at gøre.
The proposal in question is the proposal for the adoption of the economic report by the Commission to the Council, and we have not yet voted on that proposal. There was no quorum on the Friday of the last partsession.
Det er dette dokument, vi først må stemme om — forslaget til rådsafgørelse.
President. — In any case I have scarcely any choice.
Seal (S), formand for udvalget om økonomi, valutaspørgsmål og industripolitik. — (EN) Hr. formand, på baggrund af at betænkningen er blevet stærkt be skåret, ja at der er meget lidt tilbage af den, bør De spørge ordføreren, om han ønsker, at der foretages afstemning om beslutningsforslaget som helhed.
Mr von der Vring (S). — (DE) Mr President, both are doubtless right, and the contradiction persists for purely formal reasons.
Som det blev fremført før, vil det ikke blive stilet til nogen, og det, der er tilbage af beslutningen, er slet ikke udtryk for udvalgets synspunkter — i hvert fald i meget begrænset grad.
I therefore propose that the report be referred back to the Committee which can then rectify this error.
Formanden. — Hr. Seal, der blev fremsat en anmodning om tilbagevisning til udvalg, som blev forkastet.
Mr Patterson (ED). — I think that what I said could not have been translated properly.