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Rådet har vedtaget (3), at gyldighedsperioden for den med direktiv 81/363/EØF (4) indførte ordning vedrørende støtteforanstaltninger til fordel for den europæiske skibsbygningsindustri forlænges med to år. Kommissionen havde fore slået en forlængelse på tre år.
Mr Genscher, President-in-Office of the Council. — (DE) On 21 December 1982 the Council decided to extend the fourth directive on aid to the shipbuilding industry not, as the Commission had proposed, by three years but by only two, for the following reason : with a view to speeding up the achievement of the objectives set in the directive — the restoration of the competitiveness of the Community's shipbuilding industry and the cessation of aid to this industry — the Council and Commission also undertook to make the necessary preparations for drawing up a proposal for a sixth directive and adopting it as quickly as possible, perhaps even before this directive expires.
Hvorfor vedtog Rådet at forlænge disse støtteforanstaltninger med kun to år og ikke med tre år som foreslået af Kommissionen?
A period of two years seems sufficient for this purpose.
J. D. Taylor (ED). — (EN) Til rådsformanden vil jeg gerne som repræsentant for det største skibsbygningsfirma i Det forenede Kongerige, Harland og Wolffskibsværftet i Belfast, sige, at der er mange medlemmer af Parlamentet, som hilser rådsafgørelsen om at reducere det nuværende femte direktiv fra yderligere tre år til to år velkommen.
Mr J. D. Taylor (ED). — To the President-in-Office I would like to say, as representing the largest ship building firm in the United Kingdom, which is the Belfast shipyard of Harland and Wolff, that there are many Members in this House who welcome the decision of the Council to reduce the present fifth directive from a further three years to two years.
Mange af os mener, at det femte direktiv har overlevet sig selv.
Many of us believe that the fifth directive has outlived its useful ness.
Jeg er glad for rådsformandens svar om, at man overvejer et sjette direktiv, og jeg vil derfor spørge ham, om Rådet i betragtning af det sjette direktiv vil være rede til for det første at overveje forslag til en plan om ophugning og nybygning, som med sikkerhed ville hjælpe den græske flåde, og for det andet, om det vil overveje favorable betingelser fra statsværfternes side over for skibsrederne?
I welcome the reply by the President-in-Office that they are going to consider a sixth directive and I therefore would ask him if in consideration of that sixth directive the Council would be prepared to con sider proposals for, firstly, a scrap-and-build scheme which would certainly assist the Greek fleet; and secondly, whether they would consider a provision for credit to be given by shipbuilders to shipowners?
Van Hemeldonck (S). — (NL) Kan rådsformanden oplyse os om, hvornår dette sjette direktiv i den ene eller den anden form kan forelægges for Europa-Parlamentet?
Mr Van Hemeldonck (S). — (NL) Can the President-in-Office of the Council state when the sixth directive, in one form or another, can be revealed to Parliament?
Genscher. — (DE) Det kan jeg, men først må forslaget foreligge.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) Certainly, but first the propo sal has to be put forward.
Jeg tror, det vil ske hurtigt.
I would say, without delay.
De March (COM). — (FR) Hr. rådsformand, jeg bor i en region Provence-Cote d'Azur — hvor skibsbygningsspørgsmål er en kilde til bekymring for arbejdere, familier og kommuner. Jeg selv bor i en havneby med skibsbygningsindustri, hvor jeg er valgt.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) Without wishing to anticipate the outcome of these deliberations, I should like to say that any suggestion Parliament cares to make to the Council will, of course, be considered by the Council.
Paisley (NI). — (EN) I betragtning af, at Belfasts skibsværft i går måtte fyre yderligere 700 arbejdere på grund af unfair konkurrence fra det fjerne østen, unfair konkurrence, som berører alle europæiske skibsværfter, kan rådsformanden da fortælle os, hvad der er blevet af planen om ophugning og nybygning i Rådet?
Mr Paisley (NI). — In view of the fact that the Belfast shipyard yesterday had to lay off yet another 700
(') Se bilag af 13. 4. 1983. (!)
See Annex of 13. 4. 1983.
(0-152/82), ændret til et spørgsmål til spørgetiden.
Former oral question without debate (0-152/82) con verted into a Question for Question Time.
Findes der hos Rådet og Kommissionen holdbare argumenter for denne opfattelse?
De March ence gained with the fifth directive suggest that addi tional steps are required.
Genscher. — (DE) De oplysninger, som Rådet og Kommissionen er i besiddelse af til besvarelse af Deres spørgsmål nr. 1, vil jeg gerne sende til Dem.
President. — As the author is not present, Question No 13 will be answered in writing'
Lomas (S). — (EN) Jeg er meget ked af at høre dette, hr. rådsformand, om end ikke overrasket.
Question No 14 by Mr Lomas (H-795/82):
Jeg vil gerne tilføje, at det spørgsmål, som jeg besvarede, havde følgende ordlyd: »Gaston Thorn, formand for Kommissionen, sagde i sin tale til Europa-Parlamentet den 8. februar, at det var på tide at vende ryggen til Luxembourg-kompromiset, som giver en medlemsstat ret til at nedlægge veto mod et forslag, hvis dette er i strid med det pågældende lands vitale interesser.
Mr Gaston Thorn, the President of the Commission, in his address to the European Parliament on 8 February said it was time to turn our back on the 'Luxembourg compromise' which gives a Member State the right to veto a proposal if it is against that country's vital interests.
von der Vring (S). — (DE) Hr. rådsformand, er Rådet rede til at godtage, at skibsbygningen i Fælles skabet er et lige så presserende spørgsmål som stålpolitikken, og at Fællesskabet har samme ansvar for den europæiske skibsbygningsindustri?
Mr Genscher. — (DE) This will certainly be taken into account when the sixth directive is being prepared.
Dertil sagde jeg, som rådsformand kan jeg ikke svare Dem, men hvis jeg var uden for Parlamentet, ville jeg sige, at jeg deler Gaston Thorns opfattelse.
I would, however, advise anyone against think ing that restructuring processes are feasible without closures and the consequent loss of jobs.
Genscher. — (DE) Deres to første spørgsmål kan jeg besvare med et ja. Hvad angår Deres tredje spørgsmål, vil det under forhandlingerne om det sjette direktiv vise sig, om de deri forventede foran staltninger er tilstrækkelige, eller om erfaringen med det femte direktiv nødvendiggør yderligere skridt.
Mr Genscher, President-in-Office of the Council. — (DE) In the answer it gave to Question No H-411/82 in November 1982 the Council pointed out that it can not comment on statements which are not made within the framework of the Council.
Formanden. — Da spørgeren ikke er til stede, vil spørgsmål nr. 13 blive besvaret skriftligt (').
If I were now outside Parliament and not President of the Council, my answer would be that I fully agree with Gaston Thorn.
Spørgsmål nr. 14 af Lomas (H-795/82):
(Laughter)
Israel (DEP). — (FR) Hr. rådsformand, Genscher-Colombo-planen fastsætter i sin udgave fra november 1981, at »Luxembourg-kompromiset« ændres.
Mr Müller-Hermann (PPE). — (DE) We in Europe have grown accustomed to ascribing the undoubtedly tiresome competition of the Far Eastern countries solely to the fact that their shipyards are subsidized.
Mere generelt, hr. Genscher, spørger jeg Dem, om De genkender Deres barn i teksten til Genscher-Colombo-planen, som i øjeblikket er under behandling i Rådet?
Must we not unfortunately accept that there are in the Community a number of countries where not only overt aids but also covert subsidies are granted, and can anything be done to stop this?
Gaston Thorn, formand for Kommissionen, sagde i sin tale til Europa-Parlamentet den 8. februar, at det var på tide at vende ryggen til Luxembourg kompromiset, som giver en medlemsstat ret til at nedlægge veto mod et forslag, hvis dette er i strid med det pågældende lands vitale interesser.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) To answer the honourable Member's first question, I will willingly forward to him the evidence the Council and Commission has.
Genscher. — (DE) På dette område vokser barnet sig stadig smukkere og større.
The Commission is responsible for ensuring that the Treaties and the provisions they con tain are observed.
(Munterhed)
Mr Lomas (S). — I am very sorry to hear that, Mr President-in-Office, although not surprised.
Genscher, formand for Rådet. — (DE) Rådet gjorde i november sidste år ved besvarelsen af spørgsmål H-411/82 opmærksom på, at Rådet ikke tager stilling til erklæringer, som ikke er afgivet inden for Rådets rammer.
Mr von der Vring (S). — (DE) Is the Council prepared to accept that the Community's shipbuilding industry is as urgent a matter as the steel policy and that the Community has a similar level of responsibility for this industry?
Hvis jeg nu var uden for Parlamentet og ikke var rådsformand, ville jeg svare Dem, at jeg fuldt ud deler Gaston Thorns opfattelse.
Does the President-in-Office of the Council agree that, now that all the forecasts of the world market trend have proved incorrect, the situation in the European shipbuilding industry is an emergency, and does he not think that it is essential for the Community to take action this year and that we cannot wait for a new directive any longer?
Alavanos (COM). — (GR) Jeg vil gerne stille rådsfor manden et spørgsmål angående Luxembourg-forliget i relation til Grækenland.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) It is my view that in the example mentioned by the honourable Member, the fixing of farm prices, the procedure adopted complied fully with the existing Treaties.
Det er velkendt, at der foregår en debat med Grækenlands nuværende regering med udgangspunkt i det memorandum, som er fremlagt angående betingelserne for Grækenlands tilstedeværelse i Det europæiske Fællesskab.
I would add that the question I have answered reads as follows: 'Mr Gaston Thorn, the President of the Commission, in his address to the European Parliament on 8 February said it was time to turn our back on the 'Luxembourg compromise', which gives a Member State the right to veto a proposal if it is against that country's vital inter ests. Does the Council of Ministers agree with the President of the Commission?'
(Munterhed)
Mr Genscher. — (DE) My answer to your first two questions is 'yes'.
Det græske folk vil gerne vide, hvordan Det europæiske Fællesskab er, og hvordan det fungerer.
As for your third question, the deliberations on the sixth directive will show whether the measures it envisages are enough or whether experi
(') Se bilag af 13. 3. 1983.
See Annex of 13. 4. 1983.
Formanden. — Vi har allerede haft en taler fra de engelsktalende medlemmer af den socialistiske gruppe, og vi har forsøgt at efterleve denne regel for at komme videre med spørgsmålene og få besvaret så mange spørgsmål som muligt.
I said that as President of the Council I cannot answer this question, but if I were outside this House, I would say that I agree with Gaston Thorn.
Derfor kunne jeg tænke mig at spørge hr. Genscher som formand for Rådet: Kan han forsikre og — og gennem os hele vort lands befolkning — om, at Luxembourg-forliget og muligheden for, at et land kan nedlægge veto i spørgsmål, som berører dets vitale interesser, gælder og vil gælde i lang tid endnu i Fællesskabet?
I should not like to see the dynamism of the process of European unification and the decisionmaking strength of the institutions stifled in a labyrinth and accumulation of genuine and supposed interests which in the end have the same effect as a right of veto.
Jeg er ked at måtte afslå Deres anmodning, men hr. Caborn fra Deres gruppe har allerede stillet et spørgsmål.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) What the honourable Member calls a compromise was in fact the Luxembourg 'disagreement'.
Genscher. — (DE) Jeg er hverken beføjet til eller har til sinds at fastslå noget over for Europa-Parlamentet, som ikke er i overensstemmelse med de europæiske traktater.
Mr Caborn (S). — Could I ask the President-in-Office for confirmation of the answer given to Mr Lomas in which he interpreted Gaston Thorn's answer to this Parliament to the effect that the nine Member States or a majority of the nine Member States actually determine what is of vital interest for the tenth.
Det er den procedure, som vi har forsøgt at følge. Det er ingen regel, det erkender jeg.
Mr President, can you tell us whether the text of the Genscher-Colombo report currently being studied provides for the abolition of the Luxembourg compromise?
Men det var en aftale, vi nåede frem til i Parlamentet for at få besvaret så mange spørgsmål som muligt af Rådet og af Kommissionen.
And more generally, Mr President, I should like to know whether you recognize your own brainchild in the text of the Genscher-Colombo plan currently been discussed in the Council?
Antoniozzi (PPE). — (IT) Hr. rådsformand, efter min mening vedrører det bestemt også beskyttelsen af vore rettigheder og forpligtelser.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) The child to which the honourable Member refers is growing in beauty and size every day.
Rogers (S). — (EN) Jeg accepterer Deres fremgangsmåde, fru formand. Jeg ville blot ønske, at rådsfor manden ville besvare spørgsmålene.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) The question was : 'Mr Gaston Thorn, the President of the Commission, in his address to the European Parliament on 8 February said it was time to turn our back on the 'Luxembourg compromise', which gives a Member State the right to veto a proposal if it is against that country's vital inter ests.'
Formanden. — Det er en anden sag, hr. Rogers.
Mr Alavanos (COM). — (GR) I should like to ask the President-in-Office of the Council something con cerning the problem of the Luxembourg compromise in relation to Greece.
Jeg stiller derfor følgende spørgsmål: Hvilket juridisk grundlag har »Luxembourg-kompromiset« efter Deres mening?
This has absolutely nothing to do with the question of who decides what is a vital interest and what is not: Gaston Thorn opposed the granting of a right of veto.
Kan et »kompromis« ændre traktatbestemmelserne, som formelt er vedtaget af regeringer og nationale parlamentet?
If increasing use was made of the right of veto in the decisionmaking processes, it could indeed prevent the Council from taking any decisions and put a permanent end to the dynamism of the process of European unification.
Spørgsmål nr. 31 af Ewing (H-296/82):
Mr Rogers (S). question.
Genscher. — (DE) Hvad De betegner som kompromis, var i virkeligheden »Luxembourgdissens«.
The Greek people would like to know what sort of thing this European Community is, and how it functions?
Ordet »kompromis« forudsætter en enighed, som i sandhed ikke var til stede dengang. Det er Luxembourg-konsensen, og denne har ikke noget retligt, grundlag.
I would therefore like to ask Mr Genscher, as President of the Council: Will he give us an assurance, and through us, to all the people in our country, that the Luxembourg compromise and the ability of any country to apply the veto in the event that its vital interests are at risk, are still in force and will remain so for a long time within the Community?
Caborn (S). — (EN) Må jeg bede rådsformanden om en bekræftelse af svaret til hr. Lomas, hvor han tolkede Gaston Thorns svar til Parlamentet i den retning, at ni medlemsstater eller et flertal af de ni medlemsstater rent faktisk bestemmer, hvad der er af vital interesse for det tiende. Er det en korrekt udlægning af det, som rådsformanden sagde?
President. — We have already had one speaker from the English-speaking members of the Socialist Group and we have been trying to follow this rule in order to get on with the questions and have as many questions answered as possible.
Genscher, formand for udenrigsministrene. — (DE) De Ti har gentagne gange bekræftet, at de fortsat vil bestræbe sig for at bevæge Sydafrika til at afskaffe apartheidsystemet og til at skabe et samfund, der er baseret på fred og frihed til alle.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) I have neither the power nor the desire to say something here before the European Parliament which does not comply with the European Treaties.
Disse firmaer har til sker opmuntring holdt sig til retningslinjerne i kodeksen.
But it was an agreement we came to in the House in order to get as many questions answered as possible by the Council and by the Commission.
Det har overhovedet intet at gøre med spørgsmålet om, hvem der afgør, hvad der er en vital interesse, og hvad der ikke er det, men Gaston Thorn har udtalt sig mod, at der tilstås Vetoret.
Mr Antoniozzi (PPE). — (IT) In my opinion the President-in-Office of the Council is clearly also the guardian of our rights and duties.
Jeg vil gerne stille et tillægsspørgsmål. spørgsmål.
I only wish that the President-in-Office would answer the questions.
fordømmer den i Sydafrika praktiserede apartheidspolitik.
South Africa would most certainly reduce the Com munity's ability to influence that country politically.
Vi i Europa drister os imidlertid til dels til at afsige dom uden virkelig at kende forholdene.
We turn now to the questions to the Foreign Ministers. ters.
Dette gælder også for mange sager i Sydafrika og for fru Ewings spørgsmål.
Question No 31 by Mrs Ewing (H-296/82):
Genscher. — (DE) Fru Ewing, spørgsmål om den politiske indvirkning må hele tiden ses i forhold til, med hvilke muligheder og metoder de politiske mål, som jeg netop har defineret, bedst lader sig gennem føre.
Moreover, I would point out that breaking off econo mic relations between the Community and the Republic of South Africa is also regarded as a means of influencing the economic situation in that country.
I den forbindelse vil en afbrydelse af alle især, også okonomiske forbindelser til Den sydafrikanske Republik indskrænke vore muligheder for politisk indvirkning.
I cannot believe that the Com munity's policy should be to further aggravate the situation of the black citizens of South Africa through a Community economic boycott.
Kan De over for mig bekræfte, hr. rådsformand, at de europæiske firmaer, som har investeringer, og som har opbygget virksomheder i Sydafrika, på ingen måde fører apartheidspolitik, men derimod kræver fuldstændig ligeberettigelse og lige chancer for sorte og hvide, for coloured og indian people?
In view of the fact over 1 000 Community-based companies operate in South Africa and that the South African Government shows no signs of abandoning the abhorrent policy of apartheid, will the Foreign Ministers now recommend to national governments and to such companies a reduction in the Community's economic presence in South Africa by withdrawing investments and seeking alternative trade markets?
Kan De endvidere bekræfte, at netop de europæiske investeringer i Sydafrika i væsentlig grad medvirker til at vænne den sorte befolkning til den teknologiske proces, at give den bedre livsbetingelser, bedre boligog uddannelsesmuligheder, og at der gennem denne udvikling netop også på det politiske område kræves forandringer, som den sydafrikanske regering før eller senere må tage hensyn til?
Mr Boyes (S). — Could I welcome Mr Genscher's statement of his abhorrence of the apartheid system, although he could have condemned it a little more strongly in my opinion, and also pay tribute to Mrs Ewing who continually puts questions on the problems of apartheid in South Africa on the order paper.
I øvrigt beder jeg Dem være opmærksom på, at en afbrydelse af de økonomiske forbindelser også forlanges med det mål for øje at få indflydelse på den økonomiske situation i Sydafrika.
Mr Genscher, President-in-Office of the Foreign Ministers. — (DE) The ten Community Member States have constantly reiterated their intention of continuing their efforts to persuade the Republic of South Africa to abolish the apartheid system and to establish a social order based on peace and freedom for all.
Jeg er helt sikker på, at det som altid, når økonomiske problemer optræder, først rammer de fattigste, dvs. dem, der på grund af apartheidpolitikken er forfordelt.
With this objective in mind they are continuing to search for ways of applying the full weight of the Community behind this goal.
Jeg kan ikke tro, at meningen med vor politik skal være at skade netop de forfordelte sorte medborgere i Den sydafrikanske Republik endnu mere gennem boykot foranstaltninger fra vor side.
Both in the United Nations and other forums individual Community Member States have called insistently for economic sanctions, both general and specific, against the Republic of South Africa.
Genscher. — (DE) Hr. Müller-Hermann, De vil muligvis huske, at jeg hørte til de udenrigsministre, der for nogle år siden foreslog indførelsen af en adfærdskodeks for virksomhederne i Sydafrika og deres filialer og datterselskaber.
My specific question is, are you personally aware of the decision of the Government of Sweden in 1979 to ban further investment in South Africa, and further not to allow those already investing there to increase the amount of investments?
Vi ville derigennem danne os et billede af arbejdsforholdene i disse virk somheder og på den anden side ved hjælp af indberetningspligt tilskynde virksomhederne til lige arbejdsforhold uden hensyn til hudfarve.
Would you agree that it •would be in the interests of the people that we are most concerned about in South Africa if the Com munity adopted a similar policy and would the President consider meeting with the ministers in Sweden to consider the effectiveness of that policy?
Boyes (S). — (EN)]tg glæder mig over hr. Genschers erklæring om hans afsky for apartheidsystemet, skønt han efter min mening kunne have fordømt det lidt kraftigere, og jeg vil også gerne takke fru Ewing, som konstant stiller spørgsmål til spørgetiden om apartheidproblemerne i Sydafrika.
On the matter of discrimination against black workers in South Africa, I would draw the Honourable Member's attention to the Code of Conduct applicable to Community firms with subsidiaries, branches or representatives in that country, adopted by the Council of Foreign Ministers on 20 September 1977.
Mit konkrete spørgsmål er: Har De personligt kendskab til den svenske regerings afgørelse fra 1979 om at forbyde yderligere investeringer i Sydafrika og om fremover ikke at tillade dem, sonr allerede havde investeringer dernede, at øge investeringerne?
As to the Swedish measures concerning the Republic of South Africa I can only reiterate my conviction that if every country followed Sweden's example, the first to be seriously affected by these economic measures would be those sections of the population which are discriminated against by the apartheid system.
Er De enig i, at det ville være i de menneskers interesse, som vi er mest bekymrede for i Sydafrika, hvis Fælles skabet vedtog en lignende politik, og vil formanden overveje at mødes med Sveriges ministre for at se på effektiviteten af denne politik?
Furthermore it must not be forgotten that a large number of black African states have economic ties with the Republic of South Africa.
Genscher. — (DE) Først må jeg erindre om, at Det europæiske Fællesskab netop gennem AVS-konven-tionen yder et væsentligt bidrag til de sorte afrikanske staters udvikling, som dér vurderes højt og virkelig anerkendes.
Mrs Ewing (DEP). — May I thank the President-in-Office for his answer and ask in view of my question and of the imminent departure to six African States of the Front-Line States Mission with the blessing of this House, along with that of the ACP, would it not be a good time for the President-in-Office to make a practical suggestion namely, that the recommend to the Member States a reduction in the Community's economic presence in view of the fact that the Africans cannot take us too seriously when the planes are packed with businessmen leaving from every single main airport in the Community at all times.
Jeg er enig med Dem i den konstatering, som De gjorde i begyndelsen, og vil også gerne endnu en gang sige til det medlem, der talte til mig fra venstre side: Vi fordømmer med alle de konsekvenser, der i det hele taget er tænkelige, apartheidpolitikken.
Mr Genscher. — (DE) One must consider both aspects of the political impact of specific measures and constantly strive to identify the opportunities and methods which best lend themselves to the attainment of the political goals I have just outlined.