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— ændringsforslag nr. 10 af Hoffmann m.fl. om at dette punkt får en ændret ordlyd og punkterne 44a, b, c og d tilføjes:
Mrs Maij-Weggen, rapporteur. — (NL) I am favour of this amendment.
Hvad mener ordføreren?
President. — I have three amendments on para graph 53:
44. a) mener, at kvindernes dårlige situation i Spanien og Portugal er en af følgerne af adskillige årtiers diktatur;
Mrs Martin. — (F) Mr President, as a result of meeting some other Members this morning, there is something I should like to clarify about Amendment No 5.
44. b) konstaterer, at en undersøgelse af denne situation viser en forsinkelse med hensyn til
We think in fact that the permanent committee should have 15 or 16 members and that its chief role should be to monitor the implementation of this resolution.
— social lovgivning,
— No 37 by Mr Forth 'on behalf of the European Democratic Group;
— adgang til beskæftigelse,
— No 32 by Miss Roberts and Miss Hooper on behalf of the European Democratic Group;
— adgang til faglig uddannelse,
President. — Mrs Martin, I think I am speaking for the House when I say that I cannot accept any oral amendments.
— skoleuddannelse,
— No 80 by Mr Spinelli and others.
Hr. formand, jeg er imod hr. CottrelPs ændringsforslag, og jeg er også imod fru Carettoni's ændringsforslag.
(Parliament rejected successively Amendment No 5, ' Amendment No 13 and Amendment No 33 and adopted paragraph 542)
— udøvelse af retten til at danne fagforeninger og af de politiske frihedsrettigheder;
Mrs Maij-Weggen, rapporteur. — (NL) I am against Amendments No 37 and No 32, Mr President.
44. c) mener, at udvidelsen af EF med disse lande ved at give de multinationale et større felt for udbytning ikke kan forbedre de portugisiske og spanske kvinders stilling, men vil være et middel til at fremtvinge en forringelse af kvindens stilling i de øvrige EF-lande gennem harmonisering af lovgivningerne på det laveste stade;
— No 87 by Mrs Lenz and others on behalf ï > f the Group of the European People's Party (ChristianDemocratic Group);
44. d) modsætter sig derfor en ny udvidelse af EF;
— Amendment No 123 by Mrs Fuillet and others on behalf of the Socialist Group.
Formanden. — Fru Maij-Weggen, vil De være venlig endnu engang at gøre det klart, præcis hvad De har imod ændringsforslag nr. 79, for det synes ikke at være fremgået helt klart på italiensk.
Mr Spinelli. — (I) We could ask for a million units of account.
Hr. formand, den oprindelige tekst fik stort flertal i ad hocudvalget.
Amendment No 87 is in line with the resolution which was adopted in December last year.
Derfor er jeg imod begge disse ændringsforslag.
I think it accords with the committee's thinking and I am therefore in favour of it.
nr. 48 og nr. 10 forkastedes; derefter
Mrs Maij-Weggen, rapporteur. — (NL) I know there is no mention of it, Mr President, and so there can be no mention of own resources in this motion.
(Ændringsforslag vedtoges punkt
I am therefore against the amendment.
Formanden. — Vi går nu over til afsnit VI: Udviklingslande.
(Parliament adopted Amendment No 87, Amendment No 123 and adopted paragraph 55)
Til punkt 45 er der stillet tre ændringsforslag:
L have three amendments on para-
— ændringsforslag nr. 40 af Cottrell for den europæiske demokratiske gruppe:
By roll-call vote requested by the Liberal and Democratic Group; see Minutes of proceedings.
— ændringsforslag nr. 79 af Carettoni Romagnoli om efter førs,te afsnit at indsætte følgende to afsnit:
By roll-call vote requested by the Socialist Group; see Minutes of proceedings.
Mødet onsdag den 11. februar 1981 i 13
Sitting of Wednesday, 11 February 1981
(Ændringsforslag nr. 45 forkastedes; punkt 48 vedtoges)
President, — I call Mr Klepsch on a point of order.
Formanden. —- Vi kommer nu til afsnit VII — Andre henstillinger.
I think this would also suit the other groups, since we want to have the final vote in a proper manner.
(Ændringsforslag nr. 40, nr. 79 og nr. 130 forkastedes; punkt 45 vedtoges)
The 20 minutes will also serve to decide on our group's explanation of vote.
Til punkt 49, 1. led har Cottrell for den europæiske demokratiske gruppe stillet ændringsforslag nr. 42 om, at dette led får en ændret ordlyd:
I am afraid I have to ask for this adjournment because the group will not be able to give an explanation of vote until we have had the adjourn ment.
Formanden. — Til punkt 46 er der stillet tre ændringsforslag:
President. — I propose that we close the list of those wishing to give an explanation of vote and that the sitting be suspended for 20 minutes.
Hvad mener ordføreren?
The House will rise.
— ændringsforslag nr. 41 af Cottrell for den euro pæiske demokratiske gruppe om at lade dette punkt udgå,
(The sitting was suspended at 12.05 p.m. and resumed at 12.25 p.m.)
— ændringsforslag nr. 132 af Macciocchi om, at dette punkt får en ændret ordlyd:
History shows us that progress and respect for life have always gone hand in hand.
Hr. formand, jeg har kun en engelsk tekst her, for jeg har fået ændrings forslagene på fire forskellige sprog sådan som de fleste af mine kolleger.
Against that background, the legalization of abortion in many of the countries of Europe is a relapse into barbarism.
Såvidt jeg kan se er dette et spørgsmål af redaktionel art for den engelske tekst.
Of course, there are tragic medical cases in which the doctor is required by virtue of his Hippocratic Oath to decide on the lesser of two evils.
Jeg har ikke indtrykket af at dette anliggende vedrører de øvrige sprog.
Anything that goes beyond that, though — and that is what we are talking about today — is morally totally reprehensible.
at sætte sig som et øjeblikkeligt og fundamentalt mål at bekæmpe analfabetismen;
I at any rate refuse to see the rights and duties of our women, to whom we owe life itself and the greatest of whom was the mother of our Saviour, in the same light as the kind of views which would encourage the murder of innocent children.
— ændringsforslag nr. 131 af Macciocchi om at der til dette punkt føjes følgende:
In the interests of our women, I must say 'No'.
(Ændringsforslag nr. 42 forkastedes; punkt 49, 1. led vedtoges)
IN THE CHAIR: MRS VEIL
Formanden. — Til punkt 49, 2. og 3. led er der fremsat to ændringsforslag om at give disse led følgende ordlyd:
(Applause from various quarters in the centre and on the right)
— ændringsforslag nr. 50 af Cottrell:
President.
Jeg er for fru Macciocchis ændringsforslag nr. 132, det er en god tilføjelse.
The list of those wishing to give an explanation of vote has now been closed.
Derfor er jeg imod ændringsforslag nr. 131.
I request everyone to be as brief as possible.
(Ændringsforslag nr. 41 forkastedes; de tre første led af punkt 46 vedtoges; ændringsforslag nr. 132 og nr. 131 og 6. led således ændret, og 7. led vedtoges)
Mr Habsburg. — (D) Madam President, the fact that I shall be voting against this report does not mean that I reject women's justified demands.
Hr. formand, efter min mening er den oprindelige tekst klarere, så jeg er derfor imod disse to ændringsforslag.
Whatever hypocritical euphemisms may be advanced in its favour, abortion is and remains murder — the violation of the right to life.
(Ændringsforslag nr. 50 forkastedes; ændringsforslag nr. 30 vedtoges)
Mr Ryan. — Madam President, were it not for the three most objectionable paragraphs on abortion, Nos 34, 35 and 36, my Irish Christian-Democratic colleagues and I could support this resolution.
Formanden. — Til punkt 49, 4. led, er der stillet to ændringsforslag:
Now it would seem that the Parliament is about to adopt a resolution which in effect would say that you may not kill a convicted murderer but you may kill innocent children
(Ændringsforslag nr. 44 forkastedes; punkt 47 vedtoges)
(Mixed reactions)
— ændringsforslag nr. 126 af Roberts og Hooper for den europæiske demokratiske gruppe om at lade dette led udgå,
At a time when there were still genuinely social-democratic parties, Viktor Adler said that a Socialist worthy of the name would always be on the side of the weakest.
Formanden. — Til punkt 48 har Cottrell for den europæiske demokratiske gruppe fremsat ændrings forslag nr. 45 om at lade dette punkt udgå.
And what — I ask you — could be weaker than a defenceless foetus?
— ændringsforslag nr. 115 af Boot om at give dette led følgende ordlyd:
It is, at any rate, more as long as a human being is still in the womb of its mother.
Hvad ordfør
It is, Madam Pres-
Formanden. — Til punkt 50 har Cottrell stillet ændringsforslag nr. 51 om at lade dette punkt udgå.
Ryan having nothing to say at all — I at any rate disagree with this motion for a resolution, which I feel completely ignores the aspects which have to do with the capitalist system and the oppression of weak and not'very profitable workers, such as women.
opfordrer alle organer i De europæiske Fællesskaber (Kommission, Råd, Parlament, Domstol, Det økono miske og sociale Udvalg, Revisionsret, Investeringsbank) til straks at udarbejde en rapport om den erhvervsmæssige situation, som de kvinder, der arbejder i disse organer, befinder sig i,
I would not deny all the accurate and good aspects of the motion for a resolution, but, in our view, it is a voice from the past and is hopelessly out of touch with what we need today.
(Ændringsforslag nr. 51 forkastedes; punkt 50 vedtoges)
For that reason, we shall abstain when it comes to the vote.
Hvad mener ordføreren?
President. — I call Mrs Desmond.
Formanden. — Efter punkt 50 er der stillet to ændringsforslag om at indsætte et nyt punkt:
ident, an affront to the dignity of all individuals and to the rights and responsibilities of families, particularly having regard to the location of the resolution in a report on women's rights.
— ændringsforslag nr. 135 af Macciocchi:
It is an insult to the dignity of the womanhood of Europe.
(Ændringsforslag nr. 126 forkastedes, ændringsforslag nr. 115 vedtoges)
The dignity of human life, the dignity of one sex cannot be advanced by an assault upon human life in its most helpless form, the unborn but nevertheless living child.
50. a) anmoder Kommissionen om, at dette rådgivende udvalg skal udarbejde et charter over kvindens rettigheder i Europa, hvori principperne for en virkelig ligestilling højtideligt skal fastslås;
This purported resolution, which pretends to show respect for the rights of some people, proposes to trample on the rights and respon­sibilities of others and in particular of national, local and regional communities, to ignore and to regard as not having any right of existence the laws, traditions and customs of other communities if they do not correspond with the majority view of this Parliament.
Formanden. — Til punkt 49, 5. led, er der stillet to ændringsforslag:
(Applause from certain quarters on the right)
— ændringsforslag nr. 43 af Cottrell om at lade dette led udgå,
Mrs Desmond. — Madam President, on behalf of the Irish members of the Socialist Group I wish to state that we find it regrettable that in the debate this report on the position of women in the Community has been interpreted by some as dealing largely with the ques­tion of abortion.
— ændringsforslag nr. 134 af Macciocchi om at der til dette led føjes følgende:
The report covers a wide range of issues and makes positive long­term proposals in the interests of women and towards the achievement of equality in our society.
... og på denne måde forpligte sig til at støtte de euro pæiske universiteter, således at de opretter universitetssektorer, der er forbeholdt studiet af kvindens historie i Europa igennem århundrederne, ¡det disse særlige akademiske sektorer skulle betegnes »Kvindeuniversiteter; teter;
Let us not fly in the face of God, in the face of nature; let us respect rights and moral obligations and not seek to impose the majority view of this Parliament on peoples, commu­nities and societies that passionately reject this parti­cular imposition!
(Ændringsforslag nr. 43 og nr. 134 forkastedes; 5. led vedtoges)
President. — I call Mrs Boserup.
Hr. formand, hvad angår ændringsforslag nr. 135 findes der siden 1979 en særlig FN-konference for kvindens rettigheder.
Many of the subjects with which it deals are outside the competence of the Community and belong within the domain of the Member States.
Formanden. — Efter 5. led i punkt 49 har Macciocchi stillet ændringsforslag nr. 133 om, at der indsættes følgende nye led:
Therefore, Madam President, we supported Amendment No 57 to paragraph 34 and voted against paragraphs 35 and 36 and certain amendments thereto.
Ændringsforslag nr. 136 går mere eller mindre ud på det samme. Jeg mener ikke, vi bør indføje elitære anliggender i beslutningen.
We regret that we find ourselves obliged to vote against the resolution as it now stands.
Hvad mener ordføreren?
President. — I call Mr Fischbach.
Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne anmode om afstemning ved navneopråb om ændrings forslag nr. 136, og jeg beder alle mine kolleger være opmærksom på, ar ordet »elitær« lyder som en fornærmelse, en krænkelse for alle de kvinder, som mod at yde enorme ofre har opnået at gøre karriere på universiteter, inden for litteraturen eller har fuld ført videnskabelige studier.
I should like to say, with all due respect, that this motion for a resolution contains generalities and shaky and orthodox views which neither I nor my Group can support. My Group has identified itself with women's right to equal treat­ment in education, in public positions and on elected boards and councils.
Jeg vil én gang for alle bede ordføreren om ikke mere at benytte dette ord.
For that reason alone, our voters would find it difficult to understand any decision on our part tö vote for what we have before us now.
(Anmodningen fremsat af fru Macciocchi støttedes ikke af det krævede antal medlemmer; ændringsforslag nr. 135 (') forkastedes; ændringsforslag nr. 136 forkastedes)
Mr Fischbach. — (F) Madam President, I shall not vote for Mrs Maij­Weggen's motion for a resolution, because it could give rise to a dangerous misunder­standing on the question of motherhood by choice — i.e. that of abortion.
(Ændringsforslag nr. 133 forkastedes)
He who sets out to be all things to all men finishes up
(Ændringsforslag nr. 31 forkastedes; punkt 51 vedtoges)
Fischbach tive to positive and preventive measures, or measures to protect unborn children.
Hvad mener ordføreren?
of that we cannot support the murder of the unborn child.
(Ændringsforslag nr. 2 og punkt vedtoges)
(Applause from certain quarters in the centre and on the right)
54. vedtager at nedsætte en begrænset arbejdsgruppe til opfølgning af det arbejde, ad hocudvalget for kvin ders rettigheder har udført;
That is why, in view of the final version of para graph 36, I shall vote against Mrs Maij-Weggen's motion for a resolution, albeit reluctantly, since that resolution contains a number of suggestions and proposals which are absolutely essential for improving the position of women.
— ændringsforslag nr. 37 af Forth om at lade dette punkt udgå,
Mrs Maij-Weggen, rapporteur. — (Ml) Madam President, I should like to make the point that the motion for a resolution is being misinterpreted time and time again here.
— ændringsforslag nr. 33 af Roberts og Hooper for den europæiske demokratiske gruppe:
The fact is that there are five or six para graphs about the position of' women in the family.
— ændringsforslag nr. 32 af Roberts og Hooper for den europæiske demokratiske gruppe om at- lade andet afsnit i punkt 53 udgå,
There is certainly no mention of compulsory abortion.
54. vedtager i dag at fritage ad hocudvalget for kvin ders rettigheder for sit hverv; (resten udgår).
What the motion for a resolution does say is that we should take positive steps to reduce the number of abortions.
Hvad mener ordføreren?
In other words, we are being told lies here.
— ændringsforslag nr. 80 af Spinelli m.fl. om at give punkt 53, andet afsnit, følgende ordlyd:
(Applause from various quarters in the centre and on the right)
Formanden. — Fru Martin har ordet.
President. — I call Mr Lalor.
(Munterhed)
I call Mr Vie.
Efter vores mening burde det stående udvalg bestå af 15 eller 16 medlemmer og først og fremmest have til opgave at kontrollere gennemførelsen af den vedtagne beslutning.
I find that, as I already explained in the course of the debate, my group and I have no difficulty whatsoever in going along with the improvements recommended, the requests for further action, the outlining of the provisions for improved educational and vocational training, the measures with regard to special groups and regions and the demands in favour of developing countries.
Formanden. — Fru Martin, jeg tror, jeg handler i overensstemmelse med denne Forsamlings ønsker, når jeg siger, at vi ikke kan acceptere mundtlige ændringsforslag.
But when I said that the report v/as a bad one, — and I think my words have been inter preted in far too restrictive a sense — it was precisely because, as previous speakers have demonstrated, it contained a jumble of too many subjects and too many problems.
(Ændringsforslag nr. 5 (') forkastedes; ændringsforslag nr. 13 og nr. 33 forkastedes; punkt 54 (2) vedtoges)
When it comes to murdering the unborn child, however, we draw the line.
Hr. formand, jeg ved, at det ikke står der, og så bør vi heller ikke nævne noget om de egne indtægter i denne beslutning.
Yesterday I asked the rappor teur if it would be possible for her to withdraw Chapter 4.
Formanden. — Efter punkt 54 er der stillet to ændringsforslag om tilføjelser til dette punkt:
All the European Progressive Democrats will be voting against this resolution because of the non-withdrawal of Chapter 4.
(Latter — ændringsforslag nr. 37, nr. 32 og nr. 80 forkastedes; andet afsnit i punkt 53 vedtoges)
More generally, as I said yesterday, I also regret that the overall approach of this report was, in my view inadequate to deal with one of the most important problems facing not only ourselves, but every generation and every civilization.
— ændringsforslag nr. 87 af Lenz m.fl. for det euro pæiske folkepartis gruppe (CD-gruppen):
The problem of the role of women in society is always a vital one, and am sorry that in this case the role of women in the Community has been dealt with in excessive detail rather than in a broad sweep.
(') Ved navneopråb efter anmodning fra den liberale og demokratiske gruppe; jf. protokol.
I have said nothing which is anti-feminist, and I regret the construction put upon my words yesterday.
— ændringsforslag nr. 5 af den liberale og demokratiske gruppe:
On the contrary, when I say that insufficient attention has been given to the importance of the problems of women in the Community, that is certainly not an anti-feminist statement.
(') Ved navneopråb efter anmodning fra den socialistiske gruppe; ¡f. protokol.
However, from an Irishman's point of view the major fault is the failure to withdraw Chapter 4, and because
Jeg vil bede alle om at gøre deres indlæg så kort som muligt.
This report contains some very good points on equality and practical measures, but the confusion of issues is unacceptable, as the ethical, moral and political problems raised in the section on health.
— ændringsforslag nr. 123 af Fuillet m.fl. for den socialistiske gruppe:
I refer particularly to abortion.
54. a) vedtager at nedsætte et kontroludvalg, der høres om alt arbejde i Parlamentet, således at forsla­gene i denne beslutning gennemføres i praksis;
I am sorry that the amendment we tabled, which aimed to eliminate this central problem by deleting the section on health, was not adopted by Parliament.
Det drejer sig om grundlæggende samvittighedsspørgsmål, der intet har med politik at gøre, for abort er ■— uanset hvilke hykleriske fraser, man måtte finde på for at forskønne det — mord dvs. undertrykkelse af retten til livet.
I do not think this is sensible, and in any event it cannot operate because there is no way the people of Ireland, for instance, are going to be bludgeoned into accepting a system so intimately related to human life that they themselves could not in conscience accept it.
Hr. formand, den tanke, der ligger bag ændringsforslag nr. 123, blev afvist i ad hoc­udvalget.
There is no way that we could be forced to do it.
(Ændringsforslag nr. 87 vedtoges; ændringsforslag nr. 123 forkastedes; derefter vedtoges punkt 55)
If it had been accepted I believe that the resolution as a whole would have been acceptable because it contains so much that is good.
Da der stadig var ægte socialdemokratiske partier til, sagde Viktor Adler, en socialist, der fortjente dette navn, at han altid stod på de svagestes side.
There is much in the resolution, now that we have considered and voted on the amendments, with which I disagree and with which my group disagrees.
Og hvad er svagere end et værgeløst foster?
There is much in the resolution which I and my group consider to be widely impracticable.
Det er i hvert fald mere værgeløst end den mor, der ønsker abort, og det har ikke valgret, det kan ikke tale og ikke demon­strere.
If and when the proposals to achieve those measures should ever see the light of day, I and my group will resist them to the full and we shall endeavour to amçnd them and to turn them into something that is practical.
Men disse 20 minutter skal også bruges til at fast­lægge min gruppes forklaring om stemmeafgivelsen.
Not — let me add — because of points 35 and 36, but because of the procedure we have adopted.
Derfor har jeg kun den udvej at anmode om en afbrydelse nu, for min gruppe vil først være i stand til at afgive en stemmeforklaring efter en sådan afbry­delse.
This morning we were presented with a dossier of close-on 130 amendments and immediately began voting on them.
Alle grupperne har i morges fået meddelelse om, at vi vil anmode om denne 20 minutters afbry­delse, og jeg anmoder Dem om at imødekomme vor anmodning.
I would contend that, like me, a lot of Members found them selves required to vote on what are very important points without perhaps knowing precisely what was going on.
Formanden. — Jeg foreslår, at vi nu afslutter listen på dem, der ønsker at fremsætte et indlæg om stemmeaf­givelsen, og derefter afbryder mødet i 20 minutter.
On any future occasion, then, when we have as many amendments as this on a report as important as this one, I would ask you, Madam President, to leave us at least a few hours between the time the amendments are tabled and the time the vote is taken — I realize, of course, that there have been problems here.
Derfor var Kristi lære også i hine tider det største . skridt fremad, menneskeheden nogensinde havde taget.
Some of my colleagues may feel that there are aspects which are so impractical that they cannot share my view.
Legaliseringen af abort i mange europæiske lande er derimod et fald tilbage i barbariet.
I am conscious of the fact that the motion also contains issues which are a matter of conscience.
Der findes helt givet tragiske medicinske tilfælde, hvor lægen må følge Hippokrates' ed og afveje det ene onde med det andet, men hvad der ligger derudover — og det er det, det handler om ¡dag — er moralsk helt forkasteligt.
I do not myself find any difficulty in supporting the para graphs on health care which appear in this resolution, but my group was advised to allow a free vote, Members vote according to their conscience on those issues.
Det er helt beret­tiget at spørge, om vi ønsker et kristeligt humant eller et hedensk barbarisk Europa, som vil være enden på vor enestående civilisation.
Therefore, I must advise my group to take a free vote and to act according to their conscience on the final vote.
Vore kvinder skylder vi livet, og den største inden for deres køn var Frelse­rens moder, og jeg vægrer mig i hvert fald ved at forbinde vore kvinders rettigheder og pligter med standpunkter, der går ind for mord på uskyldige børn. For vore kvinders skyld siger jeg »nej«.
Nevertheless, I put it this way, Madam President, to Parliament and to my group: I shall vote for the motion, and I hope that as many of them as do not have grounds of conscience for voting against it will join with me.
Formanden. — Fru Desmond har ordet.
I call Mr Del Duca.
... så længe et menneskeligt væsen endnu er i sin moders liv. Det er ganske uacceptabelt.
people were not aware in what medical and social conditions these abortions are carried out.