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Det er altså tydeligvis aldeles nødvendigt at harmonisere afgifterne på vin.
Mr President, there has to be a stop to this discrimination now that we are about to enlarge the Community and, more specifically, now that the wine growers in my region are showing their anxiety and fear for the future, as they did yesterday in Narbonne.
Og jeg vil nævne to enkle grunde og to grunde, som jeg finder meget væsentlige.
It is clear that there are two kinds of farming in Europe : farming which has benefited from the common agricultural policy and farming which has had no benefit from it so far.
Den anden er den, at hvis indtægterne fra disse afgifter — som er betydelige — gavner de lande, som har indført dem, så tynger den dårlige afsætning, som følger deraf i producentlandene, denne gang meget Fællesskabets budget ved den indsats, der kræves til støtte af salg af overskudslagre.
It has to stop if we want a genuine Community which is genuinely Community-minded and not just a free trade area without any basis in principle.
Det er endnu et tilfælde af konkurrenceforvridning. renceforvridning.
It was adopted almost unanimously by the Committee on Agriculture and simply asks Parliament to endorse a judgment by
Hr. formand, det er et trist stadium, tingene befinder sig på.
Mr President, it is a sorry state of affairs.
Vi har 10 medlemslande i Fællesskabet, og vi har store uligheder inden for alle slags beskatninger.
We have 10 Member States in the Community and we have got great distortions to all sorts of taxation.
Vi må prøve at få et ordentligt grundlag at arbejde på for alle. Hr. Ligios og det land, han kommer fra, producerer jo vin. Der beskatter de øl, de beskatter ikke vin.
We must try and get a proper basis for everybody to operate on.
Disse vinavlere vil bestemt være interesseret i debatten her i aften og glæde sig over de britiske konservatives fiasko for nylig.
And since there is a lot of talk about budget saving, there must obviously be a speedy harmonization of taxes.
Denne afgørelse burde bidrage til at sætte nyt skub i forhandlingerne om harmonisering af afgifter på alkohol, som har været blokeret siden den 21. oktober 1981, hvor det ikke lykkedes at opnå noget kompromis.
Mr Ligios does not appear to be able to accept that, even although in paragraph 11 he tries to mollify everybody else in the Community by saying that there must be a Commission submission for this.
Hr. formand, jeg vil slutte med at udtrykke et inderligt ønske om, at Ligios-betænkningen vedtages, og at afgifterne hurtigt bliver harmoniseret, for der er naturligvis tale om gode regler i Fællesskabets forvaltning. ning.
I should like to say to our esteemed colleague, Mr Hord — since his oral question is included in the debate — that the tax on ethyl alcohol is quite a different problem from the one we are dealing with in the Ligios report.
Hord (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, De er sikkert opmærksom på, at den mundtlige forespørgsel fremsat af mig selv og fire kolleger vedrørende situationen på alkoholmarkedet behandles under ét med denne betænkning.
I simply want to point out that there is nothing illegal in the soulte tax imposed by France and that the Court of Justice found that the system applied in France to domestic production differed in no way from the system applied to imports.
Vor gruppe afviser logikken i en fællesskabsharmonisering alene baseret på fri samhandel.
That is what you are saying in your report : you say it over and over again.
Derfor kunne vi ikke acceptere Hopper-betænkningens løsninger, og vi glæder os over, at den er blevet henvist til fornyet udvalgsbehandling.
I am sorry, but you are looking through rosecoloured spectacles, and it is not worth debating a report like yours in this House !
Ligios-betænkningen tilslutter sig således vor målsætning.
(Cries of 'Hear, hear !' from the European benches)
Da det er en sag for generaldirektorat VI som beskæftiger sig med landbrug, og jeg ikke kan se hr. Dalsager her, kunne jeg tænke mig at vide, om han kan komme til stede, så han kan behandle den.
Without being nasty, I must say however that I am very surprised that Mr Hord should table this question when we know what a high rate of excise duty is imposed by his country on wine.
Jeg ser nu, at han er ankommet, så min eller hans timing er upåklagelig.
There is absolutely no doubt that this is also a barrier to competition in the Community.
Rivierez (DEP). — (FR) Da jeg kun har et minut, vil jeg fatte mig i korthed, så meget mere, som alt er blevet sagt og godt sagt af vore kolleger hr. Delatte og hr. Sutra, og at Ligios-betænkningen er komplet.
Mr Delatte (L). — (FR) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, in reminding us of the decisions of the Court of Justice the Ligios report highlights very clearly the anomalies in the wine market, which are of course the result of the tremendous variation from one Member State to another when it comes to fixing excise duty.
Castle (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, dem forskelsbehandling, der gøres her til aften mellem behandlingen af Hopper-betænkningen og Ligios-betænkningen, viser, hvad denne forhandling drejer sig om.
Mr Hord (ED). — Mr President, you will be aware that the oral question put down by myself and four other colleagues, on the situation in the alcohol market, is being taken with this report.
Den har intet at gøre med at få et mere rimeligt beskatningssystem; den er kun et forsøg på endnu en gang at opsuge vinoverskuddene.
I understand that Mr Tugendhat, who is to reply to the debate on the Ligios report, is not intending to deal with the oral question.
Jeg håber, at mine konservative venner nu vil støtte mit ændringsforslag til betænkningen af Ligios, de afviste i udvalget, fordi som hr. Provan sagde, vi alle i aften står over for den kendsgerning, at vinlobbyen er på færde igen.
It is clear that, quite apart from consumers' traditional preferences, there are some countries where little wine is consumed and the main reason for this is not because of traditional preferences but because of the fact that the taxes which are slapped on wine take it out of people's price range.
Det er en sag, som burde være kommet hertil meget hurtigere, for det drejer sig faktisk om at gennemføre en dom fra Domstolen.
As this is a matter for the agricultural DG VI, I do not see Mr Dalsager here and I wonder whether he could be present so that he could deal with it.
Der er tale om en sag af interesse på fællesskabsplan, som det blev understreget af hr. Delatte og af mine kolleger, som jeg nævnte navnene på.
I see that he has now arrived, so my timing, or his timing, is impeccable. cable.
Her til formiddag opfordrede Hendes Majestæt Dronningen af Holland os til at lade fælles interesser veje tungere end nationale interesser.
Everyone knows that these measures are used to discourage consumption and this is of course where the discrimination comes in.
Har nogen anlagt sag mod den vest tyske regering ved Europadomstolen?
As far as they are concerned, I feel that the report by Mr Ligios is quite realistic.
Selvfølgelig ikke, og jeg synes, hr. formand, at det er på tide, at bryggerne kommer i gang.
There are two simple reasons for this that I want to give and I feel that they are important reasons.
Hvorfor ruller de magen til den ikke deres ølfade ned ad Avenue de la Robertsau og laver en demonstration, som vi har ved hver mødeperiode, arrangeret af vinbønderne i Fællesskabet?
Firstly, there is no reason to have different tax arrangements for the same product within the Community since this is against the principle of the free movement of goods.
Maurice Martin (COM). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg var i går ledsaget af min ven Emmanuel Maffre-Baugé sammen med vinavlerne i Midi, som demonstrerede kraftigt i Narbonne imod manglerne og den dårlige gennemførelse af Fællesskabets vinforordning, men også imod den diskriminering, som de er ofre for inden for dette fællesskab af handlende.
This is a matter which should have reached us much more quickly because it is in fact a matter of implementing a judgment by the Court of Justice.
Vinavlerne, som vi befandt os midt iblandt, demonstrerede også imod udvidelsen af dette fællesskab, som ville
This is an issue of Community interest, as was made clear by Mr Delatte and the other Members whose names I mentioned.
Vi i det britiske Labour-parti forkaster helt og holdent betænkningen af Ligios'.
This morning Her Majesty the Queen of the Netherlands asked us to put the common interest before national interests.
Hvorfor skulle Det forenede Kongerige tvinges til at straffe en national sædvane.
The fact is that the discrimination in this case is so obvious and the infringement of the Treaty so flagrant that it is absolutely essential to put a stop to it, and this is what the Ligios report asks us to do.
Men vi diskriminerer ikke mod importeret øl.
Of course not, and I suggest, Mr President, that it is time that the brewers got on the march.
Det vil jeg være imod.
There is discrimination in favour of wine all along the line.
Jeg ville være imod en sådan diskriminering mod det samme produkt fra et andet medlemsland.
There is discrimination in the Community budget where we have earmarked 470 million ECU to help the wine growers.
Vi beskatter vort eget øl lige så meget som importeret øl.
What is there in the budget to help the brewing industry ?
Hord (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg rejser mig for at tale om min miindtlige forespørgsel angående alkoholmarkedet.
Mr Martin (COM). — (FR) Mr President, together with my friend Mr Maffre-Baugé, I was with the wine growers of the south of France yesterday.
Med den situation, der hersker i dag forespørgsel angående på alkoholmarkedet, er det ikke urimeligt at betragte ét land, Frankrig, som værende ude af stand til at handle som medlem af Det europæiske Fællesskab, selv 27 år efter.
They held a big demonstration in Narbonne to protest against the inadequacies and the poor application of the Community arrangements for wine production, but they were also protesting against the discrimination they have to put up with in this Community of traders.
For det første under minerer Frankrig alkoholmarkedet ved at yde meget kraftig støtte til sine egne alkoholproducenter.
I would be against that. I would be against that sort of discrimination against the same product coming from a Member State.
For det andet lægger Frankrig afgifter på importen. Jeg kan fortælle Dem, at Frankrig sælger alkohol til dumping-priser i Holland, Irland, Tyskland, Belgien og Det forenede Kongerige.
We tax home brewed beer as much as we tax imported beer.
Derfor synes jeg, det er rimeligt at sige, at dette alkoholmarked er i opløsning. ning.
This judgment should help to revive the negotiations on the harmonization of the taxes on alcohol.
Den europæiske Domstols dom er meningsløs.
The European Court's judgment is a nonsense.
De må alle have drukket en masse vin.
They all must have been drinking a lot of wine.
Vi beskatter allerede øl mere end noget andet land.
We already tax beer more heavily than any other country.
Ja, det gør vi!
Oh yes we do !
Det er en del af vores nationale socialpolitik.
That is part of our national social policy.
Vi har ret til at beskatte drikkevarer i stedet for fødevarer, hvis vi vil, har vi ikke?
We have a right to tax drinking instead of food if we want to, have we not ?
Det mene.r jeg, og hvis man lægger bare nogle få pence mere på en pint øl, får man Storbritanniens arbejdere op på dupperne.
That is what I believe, and if you are to add even a few pence more to the pint of beer, you are going to have the workers of Britain up in arms.
Deres arbejderklubber, deres pub'er, deres møde steder, deres bryggeriindustri vil alle være truede.
Their working men's clubs, their pubs, their meeting places, their brewing industry, will all be under threat.
Hvorfor skulle vi gøre det?
Why should we do that ?
Hvis vi skulle rette os efter Europadomstolens kendelse og lade vinafgiften være og lægge det hel på øl, skulle vi lægge 7 pence mere på en pint øl.
If we were to meet the European Court's ruling by leaving the wine tax alone and putting all the level-ling-up on beer, we should be putting another 7p on a pint of beer.
Hvor populært tror De, det ville gøre Det europæiske Fællesskab hos de engelske arbejdere?
What do you think that is going to do to endear the European Community to the workers of Britain ?
Og som om det ikke var nok, så finder andre fælles skabsproducenter af alkohol, at der er en afgiftsskranke, den såkaldte soulte, på op til 33% %, som bliver lagt på de forventede eller påtænkte importer.
On the other hand — and this is the last thing I want to say — the Ligios report, based as it is on a judgment by the Court, puts forward constructive proposals for fairer competition between wine and other alcoholic beverages.
»Åh«, siger de, »det er meget enkelt«.
'Oh', they say 'it is simple.
Fjern den fra vin.
Take it off wine.
Folk vil gerne have billigere vin.
People would be glad to have a cheaper wine.'
Vi vil alle sammen gerne have lavere afgifter overalt, men et eller andet sted skal pengene komme fra, og vinafgiften i Storbritannien kaster ikke så lidt af sig. Den indbringer 665 mio pund eller 1 157 mio ECU.
We would all be glad to have cheaper taxes all around, but you have got to raise revenue somewhere and the tax on wine in Britain does not raise chicken feed.
Det er ikke bagateller.
That is not chicken feed.
Hvis den indtægt forsvinder, skal den skaffes et andet sted fra.
If that revenue goes we have got to find it somewhere else.
Jeg ved, hvor de ærede medlemmer på den modsatte side gerne vil have os til at finde den.
I know where the honourable gentlemen opposite would want us to find it.
Ved at beskatte fødevarer.
By taxing food.
De vil gerne have momsen bragt på linje med Det europæiske Fællesskab.
They want us to bring VAT into line with the European Community.
Det er et overgreb på vores nationale prioriteter.
That is a violation of our national priorities.
Hr. formand, jeg mener, at det vi har set i aften fra Kommissionens side, er et totalt bevis på Kommissionens katastrofale mangel på evne til at behandle denne sag.
Mrs Castle (S). — Mr President, the discrimination shown tonight between the treatment of the Hopper report and that of Mr Ligios shows what this debate is all about.
De taler om en undersøgelse. Der kræves efter min mening hurtig handling.
It is nothing whatsoever to do with getting a fairer system of taxation ; it is merely an attempt once again to mop up the wine surpluses.
Jeg er ked af, at vi har fået et så ynkeligt svar fra landbrugs kommissæren i aften, fordi der, som jeg sagde før, kræves hurtig handling og ikke denne ynkelige fore stilling, hvor der tales om undersøgelse.
I hope that my Conservative friends will now support 'my amendment of the Ligios report, which they refused to do in the committee, because, as Mr Provan has said, all we are facing tonight is the fact that the wine lobby is on the march again.
Jeg opfordrer mine kolleger på den modsatte side til at stemme med os mod denne betænkning.
In West Germany, as has already been said, they tax beer, but they do not tax wine. Has anybody taken the
Hr. formand, jeg håber virkelig, at vi næste gang, vi mødes, får at vide, hvilke skridt Kommissionen rent faktisk vil tage.
We, therefore, in the British Labour Group say that this is an absurd distortion of the purposes, of fair trade.
Hord (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, som De ved, har jeg en mundtlig forespørgsel liggende, og jeg går ud fra, at Kommissionen vil give mig sit velovervejede svar, således at jeg kan gå på talerstolen og fremsætte en yderligere forespørgsel.
It is merely in order to give preferences to one Community industry — the wine industry — because it cannot put its own house in order and deal with its surpluses by sensible means.
Hr. Hord må afvente, at Kommissionens forskellige tjenestegrene har taget stilling.
I call on my colleagues opposite to vote with us against this report.
Selvfølgelig ikke! Der ydes langt flere statssubsidier i forbindelse med vin end i forbindelse med øl.
Mr Dalsager, Member of the Commission. — (DA) Mr Hord's question concerns the tax on alcohol in France and distortion of competition in the market in alcohol, in so far as it concerns agricultural alcohol, i.e. ethyl alcohol.
Et af de problemer, som bryggerne har i Fællesskabet, og det er ikke kun et britisk problem, er selvfølgelig hele spørgsmålet om kornpriserne og den kendsgerning, at vi opretholder meget høje kornpriser i Fællesskabet.
Let me inform Mr Hord that the question has been under consideration in the Commission for some time, that DG IV, dealing with competition, and DG VI, dealing with agriculture, together with the Commission's legal services, will present the results of their investigation in the next few weeks, and that a Commission decision on an infringement case against France will be taken very soon.
Så jeg håber, at dette Parlament ikke vil vedtage betænkningen af Ligios.
Mr Hord (ED). — Mr President, I rise to talk on my oral question about the alcohol market.
regler, den skal behandles efter, og der bliver om nødvendigt rejst sag imod Frankrig ved Domstolen efter de regler, som nu en gang gælder for den slags sager.
The case is being dealt with according to the rules which apply to it, and the case against France will if necessary be brought to the Court in accordance with the rules which apply to such cases.
Derfor nytter det ikke, at hr. Hord tror, at man i et aftenmøde i Parlamentet kan fremme sagen uden at tage de hensyn, som skal tages i en sådan sag, for at alle de nødvendige oplysninger kan være til rådighed for Kommissionen, når den skal træffe sin beslutning.
For that reason it serves no purpose that Mr Hord believes that an afternoon meeting in Parliament can advance the case, without any regard for all that must be taken into consideration in such a case, to ensure that all the necessary information is available to the Commission when it takes its decision.
Jeg beder altså om, at man betragter sagen som værende i de bedste hænder, hvad den er i Kommissionen.
For this reason I ask you to regard the matter as being in the best hands available in the Commission.
Der vil blive truffet de foranstaltninger, der er nødvendige for at løse det problem, hr. Hord her har peget på.
The necessary measures will be taken to solve the problem, which Mr Hord has raised here.
I modsætning til andre vil jeg vedkende mig min inter esse. Jeg repræsenterer et område, som har de største bryggeriinteresse i Det forenede Kongerige, og jeg mener, selvsagt, at der dér produceres det bedste øl i Fællesskabet.
I would suggest that the answer we have just had from the Commission is outrageous, because here we have one Member State which for a very long time, going back well before 1982, has clearly violated the Treaty, not once but twice in two major ways.
Jeg synes, at nogle af de andre, som talte, burde have sagt, at de kom fra vinproducerende områder, og at det var deres valgkreds' interesse.
Firstly, France undermines the alcohol market by granting very substantial subsidies to its own alcohol producers.
Jeg ville så have haft en lille smule mere respekt for dem.
On the other hand it places a tax on imports.
Men jeg mener virkelig, vi skal have fair play omkring dette.
Therefore I think it is fair to say that this alcohol market is in ruins.
Ligios' betænkning kan ikke på nogen måde blive accepteret af Rådet, og jeg håber, at den, som den foreligger, vil blive forkastet af Parlamentet, medmindre den forbedres med mine ændringsforslag.
If that was not enough other Community manufactures of alcohol find there is a tax barrier, the soulte, up to 33 1/3 % placed on their anticipated or proposed imports.
Moreland (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne starte med en bemærkning, som kan synes noget mærkelig i betragtning af, at den kommer fra mig, og det er, at fru Castle selvfølgelig har ret.
Mr Moreland (ED). — Mr President, I want to start off with a remark which might sound somewhat odd coming from me and that is that Mrs Castle is, of course, right.
Hun har ret, når hun siger, at øl beskattes kraftigt i Det forenede Kongerige i forhold til ølafgiften i andre medlems lande.
She is right to say that beer is very heavily taxed in the United Kingdom in relation to the tax on beer in other Member States.
Hun ved, hun har ret, for i den periode, hvor hun var minister i den første Labour-regering, gik ølafgiften op med 70 %, og i den anden regering, som hun var medlem af, gik afgiften op med 300 %.
Indeed, she knows she's right because during the period that she was a minister in the first Labour government the tax on beer went up by 70%, and in the second govern ment of which she was a member the tax went up by 300%.
Jeg tror virkelig, der er mange mennesker i Det fore nede Kongerige, som i aften vil være overrasket over at høre hende tale øllets sag. Det er næsten som at se Elizabeth Taylor i rollen som nonne.
Indeed, I think there would be very many people in the United Kingdom who would be surprised tonight to hear her as the champion of beer.
Lad mig sige, at jeg er enig med fru Castle i den forstand, at jeg tror, at det, som hr. Ligios vil prakke os på, er fup.
Well let me say that I agree with Mrs Castle in the sense that I believe that what Mr Ligios is putting across to us is a con trick.
Jeg tror, at det første problematiske punkt vedrører Domstolens afgørelser.
I think the first question able item relates to the judgments.
Lad mig sige »afgørelser« i flertal, og lad mig også sige, at den britiske regering selvfølgelig har erklæret, at den inden for den næste måned vil rette sig efter Domstolens kendelse og acceptere ændringerne vedrørende vin og øl.
Let me say 'judgments' in the plural, and let me say also that, of course, the British Government has announced that within the next month it will be complying with the
Det, jeg gerne vil sige til hr. Ligios, er følgende: Hvor der verserer retssager i andre lande, specielt om vinbaseret alkohol i forhold til anden alkohol, vil disse blive taget op. Vil hans eget land gøre det?
What I would like to put to Mr Ligios is this : where there are court actions outstanding in other countries, particularly relating to wine-based spirits in relation to other spirits, are they going to be taken up ?
Det vil vi gerne se.
That is what we want to see.
Vi vil gerne se fair play i dette spørgsmål.
We want to see fair play on this.
Ellers vil det at bruge dommen over Det forenede Kongerige, som er uvæsentlig i forhold til de andre, være helt malplaceret.
Otherwise, to take the UK judgment, which is a minor judgment in relation to the others, is frankly, taking it quite out of place.
Både Kommissionen og udvalget har forstået behovet for at reducere forbrugsafgifterne på vin i de medlemslande, hvor de er særligt høje i forhold til afgifterne på konkurrerende produkter.
Member States where they are excessively high in relation to the duties on competing products.
Vi insisterer begge på at Domstolens absolutte myndighed, en myndighed som kræver føjelighed ikke blot af det medlemsland, som er blevet kendt skyldigt overtrædelse af traktaten — og her har man naturligvis henvist til Det forenede Kongerige i forbindelse med vin og øl.
We both insist on the absolute authority of the Court of Justice, an authority which requires compliance not only by the Member State found in breach of the Treaty and here, of course, people have referred to the United Kingdom in relation to wine and beer.
Men jeg vil også tilføje, at Kommissionen selvfølgelig tillægger Italiens position mht. andre spirituosa lige så stor betydning, og i Kommissionens øjne er en domstolskendelse en domstolskendelse, uanset hvilket land den vedrører, og vi håber meget, at landene i alle dele af Fællesskabet, i nord som i syd, vil rette sig efter Domstolens kendelser.
But I would also add that the Commission, of course, attaches equal importance to the position of Italy in relation to other spirits, and in the Commission's view a court ruling is a court ruling whatever country it applies to and we hope very much that countries in all parts of the Community, north and south, will comply with what the Court has ruled.
Vi ønsker også at etablere et harmoniseret system for beskatning af alkoholiske drikke.
We also wish to see in place a harmonized system for the taxation of alcoholic beverages.