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Formanden. — Hr. Blaney, jeg har bestemt ikke sagt, at spørgsmålet var sagen uvedkommende.
Mr Hurd, President-in-Office of the Council. — The Council attaches great importance to the smooth functioning of relations between our two institutions.
Jeg har simpelthen sagt, at problemerne i forbindelse med Irland allerede var blevet stærkt omtalt i forbindelse med spørgsmål nr. 63, spørgsmål nr. 88 forekom mig i begyndelsen i formuleringen af sit emne meget ligt dette.
It is in this spirit that it is already examining the two resolutions adopted on this subject by the European Parliament on 9 July this year, and I would add that the President of the Council at its meeting this week did emphasize the importance of the principle involved.
Hr. Paisley har ordet for et indlæg til forretningsor denen.
I would simply add, Madam President, that the Presidency will make every effort to achieve agreement in the near future.
Paisley. — (EN) Fru formand, jeg troede, at det var formandens pligt at omtale en medlemsstat med dens betegnelse i overensstemmelse med det pågældende lands tiltrædelsestraktat.
Mr Schmid. — (DE) Mr President-in-Office, can you tell us where the difficulties lie?
Nordirland er en del af Det forenede Kongerige.
The fact is that every research programme is carefully prepared in the appropriate advisory bodies, in which the national governments are represented.
Efter min mening er det Det forenede Kongerige, der bør nævnes i denne forbindelse, og ikke Irland.
In any case, the Commission does not make any proposals without the Council having given its informal approval.
Israël. — (FR) Hr. formand, har De ikke følelsen af, at Venedig-erklæringen er begyndt at blive lidt slidt?
Why then, under these circumstances, do you need more than the biological span of nine months to reach a simple decision?
Kan formandskabet oplyse, hvor langt man under det politiske samarbejde er nået i arbejdet med nøjagtigt at fastlægge, hvilke emner der henhører under sikkerheds-
Mr Hurd. — I think that it is not really for the Presidency to analyse before Parliament the positions of
Hver gang jeg læser den, og det er jeg ofte nødt til, bliver jeg slået af, hvor relevant og tidssvarende den er.
As regards the particular resolutions referred to in my answer, they were only passed in July.
Jeg er endda overbe
Examination of
Formanden spørgsmål, og som skal behandles under det politiske samarbejde, og hvilke der henhører under forsvarsspørgsmål, og som skal forblive uden for dettes kompetenceområde? tenceområde?
Hurd them has begun in the Council, and I do not think that that is unreasonable progress.
spørgsmål, som en kollega har nævnt for lidt siden, nemlig neutronbomben, i virkeligheden til under sikkerhed eller forsvar?
Although the implementa­tion of that action met with certain difficulties of a practical nature, particularly at the beginning of the operation, today these problems have been virtually solved.
Det er meget vanskeligt, mener jeg, for Rådet og for de ansvarlige for det politiske samarbejde at foretage en skelnen mellem de to begreber, som vi vil kunne forstå. Er dette ikke grunden til, at dokumentet er blevet forsinket?
As you know, the Council decided to grant supplies of foodstuffs in two tranches. All the supplies in the first tranche have been delivered.
Hurd, formand for udenrigsministrene. — (EN) Måske kan jeg bedst besvare spørgsmålet ved at gøre det ærede medlem opmærksom på det svar, som formandskabet gav på spørgsmål nr. H-198/81 af Blumenfeld den 8. juli, hvor der blev sagt følgende: »Det europæiske politiske samarbejde giver lejlighed til udveksling af synspunkter vedrørende alle vigtige udenrigspolitiske spørgsmål.
Mr Welsh. — Recognizing the desire of the British Presidency to improve relations with Parliament, may I ask the President­in­Office whether he would consider the possibility of having those parliamentary committees that are discussing proposals on which Council working parties have already started their work briefed by members of the Council, on the same confidential basis that is available under the Luns­Westerterp procedure, as to the state of the Council's deliberations, on the basis that this would bring the two institutions much closer together in their consid­eration of draft legislation?
Disse spørgsmål har i tidens løb omfattet emner, som også har haft forbindelse med de politiske aspekter af sikkerhedspolitikken, som f.eks. den europæiske sikkerheds- og samarbejdskonference.
Furthermore, during August the Council adopted a resolution making it possible for the Member States to deliver to Poland, free of charge, fruit and vegetables withdrawn from the market in accordance with the provisions of the common agricultural policy.
Der har imidlertid ikke været ført tilstrækkeligt udførlige diskussioner mellem ministrene om en mulig intensivering af det europæiske politiske samarbejde på dette område til, at det er muligt at svare specifikt på det spørgsmål, det ærede medlem har stillet.« Og jeg kan derfor stadig ikke svare på spørgsmålet.
Mr Hurd. — The honourable Member knows the principle involved that in principle the Council does not begin to consider action on different subjects until it has received the opinion of the Parliament, and obviously the sooner that opinion is given on parti­cular subjects, the sooner consultation can proceed.
Hurd. — (EN) Efter min opfattelse er der her tale om hårfine nuancer, og hvis man diskuterer dem ud fra en abstrakt synsvinkel, kan man støde på vanskelig heder.
Finally, as Commissioner Haferkamp told Parliament this morning, Poland put down on 4 September a request for a third tranche.
Jeg tror, at disse vanskeligheder stort set falder bort, hvis man ser på, hvordan et politiske samarbejde fungerer i praksis.
Mr Haferkamp also informed you that the Commission would submit a proposal on this matter to the Council next week.
Formanden. — Spørgsmål nr. 92 af Sir Peter Vanneck (H-313/81):
Sir James Scott-Hopkins. — The House would want to congratulate the minister on the number of minis­ters that have attended this session.
Hurd. — (EN) Jeg tror ikke, at jeg kan tilføje noget af betydning til mit første svar.
Mr Hurd. — It is difficult in an uncertain situation to give any precise answer to the Honourable Member, though I would obviously like to do so.
Som jeg har forsøgt at forklare, føres der allerede en del drøftelser om sikkerhedspolitiske spørgsmål.
The Council, when considering the Polish applications for these tranches, two of which have already been agreed and the third of which will come up for examination, obviously has to take into account the budgetary implications.
Disse vil naturligvis fortsætte; jeg tror ikke, at der kan være nogen særlig diskussion eller uenighed om det.
In addition to the Member States — it is not strictly a Community matter — there is the prob­lem of the credit required to enable the Poles to buy food even at the reduced prices which are available.
Jeg kan ikke i aften sige noget om yderligere foranstaltninger om dette spørgsmål.
I do not think it is possible to look into the future and say how large their problem might become.
Den særlige problematik omkring spredningen af de sovjetiske missiler og bombefly falder af grunde, som jeg alle rede har givet, da jeg svarede på spørgsmålet om neutronbomben, ikke ind under drøftelserne i det politiske samarbejde.
It is natural and it is proper that from time to time Parliament should express its impatience on particular points, but it is also perhaps fair to point out that in recent years the Council has normally, I understand, taken approximately the same number of decisions as it has received proposals from the Commission.
Hurd. — (EN) Jeg tror, at det fremgår af det princip udkast, som jeg allerede har fremsat, at den beslut ning, som den amerikanske regering for nylig har truffet om at samle sprænglegemer med forøget strålingseffekt, almindeligvis kaldet for neutronvåben, falder uden for det europæiske politiske samarbejde.
What view does the Council take of the success or other­wise of Community aid to Poland and what future plans does it have in this regard?
Sir Peter Vanneck. — (EN) Formanden for udenrigsministrene vil bemærke, at spørgsmålet er blevet udformet i overensstemmelse med teksten i Rom-traktaten. Han vil også være klar over, at der i hans svar ligger en anerkendelse, hvilket glæder mig, af det ønske, der er udtrykt af medlemmerne i Europa-Parlamentet om på denne og på enhver anden måde at kunne drøfte sikkerhed og forsvar, som helt klart ikke kan skilles ad.
Mr Deschamps. — (FR) Madam President, I shall not put to the President­in­Office again the question which is causing us all concern: do the supplies under the aid scheme really reach those for whom they are intended, and them only — i.e. those sections of the Polish people which are suffering most from hunger?
Er han enig med mig i, at Warszawapagtlandenes militære oprustning kræver en reaktion fra vesteuropæisk side, realpolitisk samarbejde, og at dette må høre ind under forsvarsministrenes område, sådan som det blev skitseret i hans svar på spørgsmål nr. 91?
I am afraid he will not be in a position to give us any assurances beyond those given by Mr Haferkamp this morning.
Baduel Glorioso. — (DA) Hvad er den nøjagtige og aktuelle forskel på sikkerhed og forsvar? Hører det
Mr Hurd, President­in­Office of the Council. — In his speech to this House on 8 July the President­in­Office
Lalor. — (EN) Prøver udenrigsministeren, når han leder udenrigsministrenes møder om dette politiske samarbejdsspørgsmål,·- at stikke sine kolleger blår i øjnene?
Can the President-in-Office give me an assurance that the Community will this year be able to meet all the needs established by the Polish authorities and that some Member States have already added, or will shortly be adding, national bilateral aid, and if so what Member States and what amounts are involved?
Hvordan kan han beskæftige sig med at bevare og styrke freden for de europæiske befolkninger, når der i hans egen baghave i Det forenede Kongerige og i de seks grevskaber i Nordirland hverken hersker fred eller frihed?
sion stressing the prime importance which all three institutions attach to respect for fundamental rights, as enshrined in particular in the constitutions of the Member States and in the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, would draw the Honourable Member's attention to the fact that the problem raised is a matter for the Member State concerned.
Hurd. — (EN) Jeg noterer mig" det ærede medlems synspunkter og hans bestræbelser på at friste mig til at komme med udtalelser, som jeg allerede har afvist.
Mr Hurd. — Under the decisions taken in December 1980 and April/May 1981, the principal products included in the tranches which I referred to were 450 000 tonnes of barley, 100 000 tonnes of meat and 40 000 tonnes of butter.
Der er efter min mening andre organisationer, som de fleste af Fællesskabets medlemslande, men ikke alle, er medlemmer af, hvor netop de spørgsmål, som Sir Peter har bragt på bane, bliver debatteret på en mere udbytterig måde.
As I have said, and as Commissioner Haferkamp said this morning, the request for the third tranche is being considered at the moment, and I cannot give those figures, as they will depend to some extent on the reaction of the Commission to the specific request made.
Hurd. — (EN) Nej, det mener jeg ikke.
Mr Kappos. — (GR) I did not understand what special situation applied in the case of Greece.
Jeg vil gerne som britisk minister komme med en afsluttende bemærkning til dette emne.
Apart from that, I should like to point out that it is being announced again and again in Greece that the European Community protects human rights and trade union rights and that we therefore have the legal right to use this international forum to report infringements of human rights.
Selvfølgelig er den britiske regering uhyre opsat på at finde en fredelig og retfærdig løsning på problemerne i Nordirland, og vi er også opsat på inden for Fællesskabet at bevare et godt og venskabeligt forhold til Den irske Republik.
At any rate, since there have been numerous reports of infringements of trade union rights, I should like to ask specifically whether the Council intends to set up a special committee to monitor the situation in Greece.
Formanden. — Næste punkt er spørgsmål nr. 93 af Paisley (H-315/81):
Mr Hurd. — I do not think this would be a correct action for the Council to take.
Hvornår har udenrigsministrene senest haft en drøftelse om en effektiv udleveringsordning, der kan anvendes i . hele Fællesskabet, og hvilke fremskridt er der gjort?
Greece is a party to the 1977 Joint Declaration, but we believe that this matter which the Honourable Member has raised is a matter for the Greek Government and not for the Council.
Boyes. — (EN) Vil formanden for udenrigsministrene ikke give mig ret i, at det ville være bedre at foretage sig noget meget positivt end blot at bruge tiden på at tage afstand fra udviklingen i både USA og USSR? Og netop i denne forbindelse har jeg bemærket, at nogle af ministrene deltager i de europæiske nedrustningsforhandlinger.
Mr Habsburg. — Could I ask the distinguished spokesman for the Council whether, in view of certain complaints concerning the difficulties and delays in transporting food from the Community into Poland, there is not in preparation a more long-range plan to ensure the safe transportation of food from the Community to Poland, so that it can arrive in due time?
Hurd, formand for Rådet af Udenrigsministre. — (EN) Udenrigsministrene har ikke diskuteret dette emne.
I call Question No 88, by Mr Blaney (H-234/81), although it would seem to me it was already dealt with adequately a short time ago:
Aftalens tekst blev behandlet af medlemsstaternes justitsministre under på møde i Rom den 19. juni 1980, men da ikke alle medlemsstater kunne godkende denne, har der ikke fundet nogen væsentlig diskussion af dette emne sted siden da.
What steps have the ministers taken to further a lasting and peaceful solution to the situation of conflict and tension in Ireland, particularly in the north, which since it threatens the peace and prosperity of citizens of the Community is in conflict with the aims and principles of the Treaties?
Hurd. — (EN) Jeg mener, at kun en del af spørgsmålet vedrører formandsskabet, men jeg mener, at det ville være ønskværdigt, om Parlamentet og Rådet hele tiden gjorde offentligheden opmærksom på de initiativer, der bliver taget på våbenkontrol- og nedrustningsområdet.
Mr Hurd. — I did indicate in my original answer that there have been practical difficulties in getting deliver ies to Poland and agreeing the actual practical arrangements for the first two tranches.
Dette er et meget vigtigt forslag, som nu i flere måneder er blevet drøftet indgående.
Virtually all the food from the two tranches has now been delivered.
Paisley. — (EN) Kan Rådets formand forsikre Parlamentet, at han vil tage sig af dette spørgsmål, og at han vil rejse det i Rådet på det tidligst mulige tids punkt?
Mr Hurd, President-in-Office of the Foreign Ministers. — I think that the Rules of Political Cooperation do not allow replies to questions on the internal affairs of one or several Member States.
Med henblik på at bevare og styrke fred og frihed i Fællesskabet er han så ikke enig i, at en af de bedste måder er at sørge for, at ingen del af Fælles skabet giver terrorismen husly?
Having already dismissed large numbers of workers for trade union reasons, the Greek State-owned Elefsina ship yards recently sacked seven workers who were standing for election to the trade union branch executive.
Er formanden klar over, at nogen af de mest feje og blodtørstige gerninger, som fornyligt er blevet udøvet i Nordirland, blev udført af personer, som undslipper til sikkerheden i Den irske Republik, hvorfra de ikke kan udleveres, fordi den irske regering ikke vil under tegne Den europæiske konvention om Terrorisme?
Two of the seven candidates were sacked under Law 64/74 on the 'loyalty screening' of workders.
Hurd. — (EN) Jeg forsøgte i mit oprindelig svar at give en redegørelse for den meget komplicerede situation med hensyn til de forslag, som er blevet udarbejdet, men ikke godkendt. Jeg mener, at vi ville vække falske forhåbninger, hvis jeg gav udtryk for, at vi så en sandsynlighed for snarlige fremskridt med at
Mr Blaney. — May I put it to the President-in-Office that while I commend him and his colleagues and predecessors over the years and at present for their undoubted concern for human rights and other matters pertaining to the peoples of Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Afghanistan, even now Poland on our doorstep, Vietnam, Angola, Iran, the Lebanon, even the wickedness of Mr Gaddafi — I believe they are right in concerning themselves with these things — I would ask the Foreign Ministers to try and use a little persuasion with the British Government to bring in prison reform in the jails of Long Kesh and Armagh?
Anden del af spørgetiden er
They might even start by ceasing to have body searches.
Det særlige problem, som det ærede medlem henviser til, er i al væsentligt ét mellem to medlemsstater i Fællesskabet, og det er vanskeljgt at se, mener jeg, hvordan situationen kunne blive forbedret ved at involvere andre medlemsstater i dette særlige problem.
There are, of course, substantial pressures from within Afghanistan, where the resistance is continuing unabated and has refused to be crushed by the massive military action against it.
Vi har kunnet behandle 18 spørgsmål, hvilket endnu ikke svarer til det mål, vi har sat os, og 49 tillægsspørgsmål.
Then there are the diplomatic pressures, to which the initiative of the Ten has substantially contributed.
På baggrund af det fremskredne tidspunkt, må jeg afslå enhver aktuel forhandling.
The UN General Assembly will no doubt take up the matter again, and the Presidency would expect the representatives of the Ten in New York to take again a very robust line and be joined in that by the majority of the Third World.
Maher. — (EN) Jeg beklager, fru formand, men jeg har tre gange anmodet om ordet for et tillægsspørgsmål, og jeg fik ikke lejlighed til det.
As regards the specific initiative, the Soviet Union has on different occasions described the proposal of the Ten as unrealistic and unacceptable, but it has not ruled out further discussion.
Jeg nærer intet ønske om at bebrejde Dem det, men jeg fik ikke én eneste chance, og jeg så mange andre parlaments medlemmer, som fik ordet igen og igen, De gav mig ordet to gange, men hver gang var emnet, som jeg ville stille tillægsspørgsmål til, afsluttet, og Parlamentet var gået videre til næste spørgsmål.
The Presidency 'certainly hopes that further discussion will take place against this background of continuing world revulsion against the action which the Soviet Union took and continual world insistence on the need for Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan as an essential first element in a solution.
Formanden. — Jeg beklager, hr. Maher, den ubehagelighed, som jeg helt ufrivilligt har voldt Dem (2).
As a British Minister, I would simply reject the analysis of the situation put forward by the Honourable Member.
Blaney. — (EN) Jeg vil gerne spørge udenrigsministeren, om han virkelig er helt klar over, at situationen, i de to dele af Irland, nord og syd, 6 grevskaber og 26 grevskaber, ikke er den, som min ærede ven og kollega Paisley har beskrevet?
What pressure is being exerted currently by the Community on the USSR in order to secure the removal of troops from Afghanistan?
Jeg vil gerne spørge ham, hvad der skete med de mordere, 3 stk., navnene kender vi, som massakrerede to unge mennesker ved Derry/Donegal-grænsen før denne politiske konflikt, som vi taler så meget om i dag.
Mr Israel. — (FR) Mr Presid.ent-in-Office, I should like to ask you a supplementary question in my capacity as rapporteur on Afghanistan on behalf of the Political Affairs Committee.
De tre går stadig frit omkring på hans side af grænsen, og der var ikke noget politisk motiv.
Did I understand you to say that Lord Carrington's proposals of 6 July to Moscow remained on the table?
Måske vil han svare således, og ministeren behøver ikke at gøre sig besvær med at besvare et spørgsmål af den karakter, som Paisley ud fra så åbenlyse motiver nu har stillet.
Do you not think these proposals have been rejected out of hand by the USSR, and do you still have any hope that these proposals could be accepted by the Soviet Govern ment?
Hurd. — (EN) Jeg mener ikke, at det tilkommer formandskabet at give en analyse af problemerne i Nordirland og de personer, som er involveretj eller en analyse af den særlige hændelse, som det ærede medlem har henvist til.
Mr Hurd, President-in-Office of the Foreign Ministers. — The European Council on 30 June stressed the urgent need to bring about a solution which would enable Afghanistan to return to its traditional independent and non-aligned status free from external interference.
von der Vring. — (DE) Fru formand, jeg vil gerne henlede Deres opmærksomhed på et lille problem: i dagsordenen for fredag er der ikke fastsat nogen afstemningstid for de punkter, som vi ikke kan nå i morgen.
The European Council expressed the view that the time had come for a frech attempt to open the way to a political solution to the problem of Afghanistan and to that end proposed the convening, as soon as possible, of an international conference in two stages.
Det er imidlertid muligt, at vi under afstemningen i morgen ikke vil have tid til enkelte punkter.
The President of the Council, Lord Carrington, visited Moscow on 6 July to discuss this proposal with the Soviet Government.
Vi er altså nødt til at fastlægge en yderligere afstemningstid for fredag kl. 9.00.
The proposal, which has during the last few months received an encouraging degree of support in the international community, remains on the table.
Vi vil afsætte den nødvendige tid til afstemning.
Diplomatic contacts do take place all the time.
Marshall. — (EN) Fru formand, jeg vil gerne foreslå, at Blaney, i stedet for at gå til fransklektioner eller andre sprogtimer får nogle timer i historie og kendsgerninger, da han tilsyneladende er fast besluttet på at bruge spørgetiden til at udbrede fordrejede og ondskabsfulde løgne om situationen i Nordirland og Det forenede Kongerige?
Mr Schmid. — (DE) Mr President-in-Office, if the press reports are correct, the Soviet Union rejected the European proposals because they did not provide for Afghanistan to be involved in the negotiations right from the outset. Why did the foreign ministers draw up a plan which the Soviet Union would obviously have to turn down even if it wanted to do otherwise?
(Mødet hævet kl. 19.15)
So my question is, where do we go from here?
(') Aktuelle og uopsættelige spørgsmål — Parlamentets sammensætning dagsorden for næste møde: jf. protokol fra mødet.
Mr Hurd. — I am not sure that I would agree with the Honourable Member that there are not substantial
Spørgsmål, der ikke har kunnet besvares i spørgetiden, besvaret skriftligt
condemned as a regime installed by force; it is certainly a regime with which very few countries have substantial relations.
Spørgsmål nr. 9 afRemilly (H-275/81)
President. — I call Question No 90, by Mr Fergusson (H-196/81):
Om: Bestemmelser for skibe, der sejler under bekvemmelighedsflag.
What plans have the foreign ministers for renewing contacts with Middle Eastern Governments, and in particular with that of Israel, with a view to furthering peace?
Mener Kommissionen ikke, at det med henblik på at forbedre sikkerheden i søtransporten og undgå enhver forureningsrisiko bør overvejes at gennemføre bedre internationale bestemmelser vedrørende registrering af fartøjer, herunder navnlig skibe, der sejler under bekvemmelighedsflag?
Mr Hurd. — I do not think the Honourable Member is accurate in his first observation. Since the Venice Declaration of June 1980 there have been thorough and very useful visits to the area, first of all by Mr Thorn and then by Mr van-der Klaauw, both in their capacity as President-in-Office of the Council.