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Pegado Liz (RDE). — (PO) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, som ny i dette forum, må jeg indrømme, at jeg er forvirret over det, der er gået forud for spørgsmålet,
I have checked that, according to the reports of earlier proceedings and, notably, the declarations of Commissioners Cheysson and Sutherland in June and October of 1985, only alleged reasons of a legal or judicial character adduced by four Member States — which ones? — prevent the Council from fulfilling the desire expressed by the Commission to fulfil the resolutions of Parliament on this matter, and not obstacles or objections of a political nature.
Pegado Liz der efterhånden må betragtes som et omstridt spørgsmål i Parlamentet.
Christensen vide a stimulus to the Commission and the Council itself.
har været til stede.
IN THE CHAIR: MR SEEFELD
Der synes ikke at være enstemmighed i alle EF-lande med hensyn til de fundamentale principper i den europæiske konvention til beskyttelse af menneske rettighederne.
Mr Bonino (NI). — (IT) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, I seem to be listening to a somewhat Kafkaesque debate.
Dette på trods af, at medlemslandene alle har ratificeret denne konvention.
A colleague who spoke earlier recalled that, in response to a question to the Commission, the Commission had referred the questioner to the Council for the information requested.
Der foreligger heller ikke noget om, at medlemslandene er modstandere af Fællesskabets tiltrædelse heraf.
Today we have before us a question to the Council: the Council's reply is that there is no formal proposal from the Commission.
Jeg kan f.eks. her nævne Bern-aftalen af 1963 angående beskyttelse af Rhinen mod forurening og Europa rådets konvention til beskyttelse af dyr i internationale transporter, begge underskrevet af Fællesskaber ne.
Today that committee has reported, and it has come to the conclusion that Sellafield is the dirtiest plant and the Irish Sea the most radioactive-polluted sea in the world.
Jeg er bange for, at man vil kunne sige om Fællesskaberne, at de viser større engagement i forsvaret af dyrenes rettigheder end i menneskenes beskyttelse.
Can we have a statement from the appropriate Commissioner before this partsession comes to an end this week?
Ved at gennemlæse protokollerne fra tidligere møder og navnlig hr. kommissær Cheyssons og hr. kommissær Sutherlands indlæg i juni og oktober 1985 er jeg kommet til følgende resultat: kun juridiske grunde fremsat af fire medlemslande har forhindret Rådet i at følge det ønske, som Kommissionen har udtrykt, nemlig at stille sig positivt til Parlamentets beslutningsforslag om denne sag.
Now, in the presence of these uncertainties and this timidity — I think that this is already the seventh year of discussions on this Convention — and quite apart from what has been said on the subject by many fellow Members, who wonder whether we are or are not the People's Europe, and whether we are not more con cerned with defending human rights outside the Community than we are inside it — in the presence of these uncertainties and this timidity I think that we cannot finish this debate without a document from Parliament that sets down again — and does so in the lifetime of this Parliament — our determination, which has already been expressed in other resolutions, to accede to the Convention.
Christensen (ARC). — Hr. formand, spørgsmålet om beskyttelse af menneskerettighederne og de grundlæggende frihedsrettigheder er et anliggende for de natio nale stater, men også for De forenede Nationer og Europarådet.
Mr Andrews (RDE). — Further to Mr Smith's point of order, Mr President, at the last partsession of Par liament we adopted a resolution in this House con demning the situation at the Sellafield plant, formerly known as Windscale.
Det er ikke et anliggende for De euro pæiske Fællesskaber.
Today we have learned that the Irish Sea is the most radioactive in the world.
Må jeg have log til at betegne de fremsatte argumenter imod en sådan tiltrædelse som yderst spinkle og næsten usammenhængende.
I support that request. We have the most radioactive sea in the whole Community.
Bonino (NI). — (IT) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, det forekommer mig, at jeg overværer en lidt kafkask debat eller rettere en kafkask måde at behandle et emne på.
We seem to be prepared to do nothing about it. I think it is an outrage that this Parliament is so impotent that it cannot get on and do the job that it is supposed to do.
EF-domstolen har i sin retsfilosofi bekræftet det dog me, der går i retning af at anerkende, at Fællesskaber ne har egen kompetence til at afslutte enhver international aftale baseret på en endelig fortolkning af trak taterne og på den kendte underforståede kompetences teori.
It is intolerable to think that we are not acceding to the Convention because it would mean lengthening the time taken up by one part of the legal procedures.
Man kan heller ikke fastholde — efter at have læst hr. professor Groux' og professor Manins værk — at der skulle være juridiske hindringer forbundet med Fællesskabernes tiltrædelse af aftaler om sager, der indgår i deres egen kompetencesfære, og det uden støtte fra medlemsstaterne. Det er en sådan sag vi diskuterer i dag.
Quite apart from the fact that we have already been discussing this question for nine years, and that we might perhaps have been able to get on with it more quickly, I think that the question of the length of the time is more of an excuse than a reason.
Det sidste argument fremført af hr. kommissær Sutherland i oktober sidste år er heller ikke gældende længer.
President. — Mr Andrews, this is not the right moment for your request.
Jeg tror altså, at vi ikke kan vende om, men at vor funktion tværtimod må være en stimulans, en overvinden af de fastlåsede situationer og en bremse på denne spil-
For items relating to the verification of credentials and objections to the list of subjects for the topical and urgent debate, see Minutes.
De argumenter fremført af Dem, rådsformand, er hel ler ikke mere overbevisende. Til slut vil jeg gerne understrege, at man altid har kunnet finde en juridisk formel, der passende til formålet, når man har stået i lignende situationer, forudsat, at den politiske vilje
I therefore agree with all the objections that have been raised by other Members during this debate, but I would ask everyone to reflect on the fact that, in the presence of these uncertainties and this timidity, it would be intolerable if Parliament did not approve a document adopting a clear position, which would pro-
len bold med ansvaret fra Kommissionen til Rådet og fra Rådet til Kommissionen.
We continue the debate on the Oral Question by Mrs Vayssade (Doc. Β 2-1623/85).
Jeg synes, at det er skammeligt, at Parlamentet er så svagt, at det ikke kan komme i gang med at gøre det arbejde, som det formodes at gøre.
I hope that the findings of the Select Com­mittee of the House of Commons will be looked at very seriously over a long period before this House takes any action.
Jeg tilslutter mig derfor alle de indvendinger, som er fremsat af mine kolleger i løbet af denne forhandling.
Thus, the EEC's accession as a more general associa­tion, apart from whether it can stand up on legal grounds, in fact offers nothing of substance.
Jeg vil dog opfordre alle til at betænke, at over for denne usikkerhed og frygtsomhed ville det være utåleligt, om Parlamentet ikke vedtog et dokument, som klart tager stilling og kan virke stimulerende på Kom missionen og på Rådet.
It may, however, be an attempt to cover up the fact that in some Member States human rights are contravened in one way or another, and to a greater or lesser extent.
(Mødet udsat kl. 13.00 og genoptaget kl. 15.00)
As a characteristic example I can mention the imple­mentation of the Berufsverbot in Western Germany.
Jeg agter ikke at drøfte sagen yderlige-
This Parliament's statement was clear.
Det har udval get gjort i dag, og det er kommet til den konklusion, at Sellafield er den mest forurenende virksomhed og Det irske Hav det mest radioaktivt forurenede hav i verden.
All I am asking you now is to act with the necessary flexibility so that we may consult with the Commission as soon as possible on the ques­tion of when it can make a statement to Parliament on this report.
Er det muligt at få en erklæring fra den ansvarlige kommissær i denne uge, før mødeperioden slutter?
President. — Mrs Van den Heuvel, unlike some others, I was yesterday in the Chamber as Mr Clinton Davis repeatedly assured us that he would state his position on the development you have just referred to at the next partsession of the European Parliament. The Members present yesterday agreed to this.
(Bifald fra venstre) van den Heuvel (S). — (NL) Hr. formand, det må da også være klart for Dem — det tvivler jeg ikke et sekund på, for jeg kender Dem — at en formand for Parlamentet må gøre alt, hvad der er muligt for i for bindelse med en tidligere af Parlamentet truffet be slutning at udvise den nødvendige smidighed med hensyn til fortolkningen af forretningsordenen.
Mr President, the contribution of us all in this Euro­pean Parliament would be more substantial if we took the trouble to monitor the way in which our own Member States conform to the European Convention, but also the the UNO's two agreements on urban and political rights.
Det eneste, jeg nu vil anmode Dem om, er at udvise den nødvendige smidighed til hurtigst muligt sammen med Kommissionen at overveje, hvornår den vil kunne komme med en erklæring om rapporten i Par lamentet.
If you want proof of this, I need only mention the attitudes adopted and the votes cast by certain groups this morning in con­nection with Pakistan, while a further proof is the way Council and the Commission are hastening the nor­malization of the Community's relations with the republic of Evren's junta.
Desuden er emnet blevet behandlet gentagne gange under spørgetiden i går.
Extreme emergencies demand extreme measures.
Andrews (RDE). — (EN) Dette i tilknytning til hr. Smiths indlæg til forretningsordenen.
Mr Schwalba-Hoth (ARC). — (DE) There are two main reasons which oblige the European Community to sign this human rights convention.
Hr. formand, under Parlamentets sidste mødeperiode vedtog vi i Parlamentet en beslutning, der fordømmer situation en på Sellafield-anlægget, tidligere kendt som Windscale.
That also leads to injustices as a result of administrative acts and at pres­ent there is no corresponding counter-force to protect the individual from those administrative acts.
I dag har vi hørt, at Det irske Hav er det mest
The second reason need
Bloch von Blottnitz (ARC). - (DE) Men vi må også gøre os klart, at Kommissionen udelukkende har gi vet tilsagn om, at den vil tage sig af sagen.
President. — However much I may agree with you, I must point out that the Commissioner responsible stated yesterday that he would report on this subject at the next part-session.
Den har ikke sagt på hvilket tidspunkt — og netop det må vi have nøje fastlagt, ellers fortsætter det sådan i uende-
Nevertheless, I am prepared to inform the Commission as soon as possible — at the moment it is not represented in the Chamber — of the wishes that have been expressed.
(') Prøvelse af mandater — Aktuel og uopsættelig debat (indsigelser): se protokollen.
If a Member of the Commission expresses a desire to say something during the course of this part-session, we shall cer­tainly find an opportunity for him to do so.
Bloch von Blottnitz sionen fremskynder normaliseringen af forbindelser ne mellem Fællesskabet og Evrens junta.
Schwalba-Hoth posal to the Council in the absence of any indication in the Council that it would agree to the measure.
lighed, og det går ikke.
not exist at all.
Usædvanlige, alvorlige situationer kræver usædvanlig handling.
And yet, violations of human rights also occur in the European states.
Vi kan ikke lade os binde af forretningsordenens bestemmelser, mens mennesker inficeres, og der opstår uoprettelige skader på miljøet.
We need think only of the strip searching in Northern Ireland, the cases of torture in Spain, the 'Berufsverbot' with its occupational restraints in the Federal Republic or the impossibility of actually refusing military service in Greece.
Formanden. — Selv om De har ret, og selv om jeg er nok så meget enig med Dem, må jeg dog henvise til, at den kompetente kommissær i går erklærede, at han vil redegøre herfor under næste plenarmøde.
That is not a very surprising piece of intelligence, because we know that at the time of the adjournment of the debate in COREPER it was agreed to have a further discussion at Member State level.
Hvis en kommissær ønsker at udtale sig i løbet af denne mødeperiode, vil vi med sikkerhed finde en mulighed herfor.
Simply to leave this issue in the limbo between the Commission and the Council is thoroughly unsatisfactory.
Vi fortsætter forhandlingen om mundtlig forespørgsel (dok.
The Commission will not act in the absence of an indication from the Council.
Schwalba-Hoth (ARC). — (DE) Der er to væsentlige grunde til, at Det europæiske Fællesskab er tvunget til at undertegne denne menneskerettighedskonvention.
Mr Hoon (S). — Mr President, it was perhaps unfortunate that the President-in-Office of the Council was not able to be present for my opening remarks in the debate this morning, since it would have enabled him to deal specifically with the current issues in this debate.
Derved opstår der også administrative uretfærdigheder, og der findes for øjeblikket ingen alternativ magt, så den enkelte borger kunne sætte sig til modværge mod sådanne administrative handlinger.
I would like to add to the question I asked in opening this debate — repeating some of the questions which my colleagues have so ably formulated during the course of this debate — in the event of the Commission tabling such a proposal, which Member States would support this initiative?
Den anden grund behøvede overhovedet ikke at være til stede.
What efforts are being made at this time in the Council to resolve these difficulties?
Man går jo ud fra, at alle europæiske medlemsstater i dag allerede som stater har undertegnet den europæiske menneskerettighedskonvention.
Can the Committee on Legal Affairs and Citizen's Rights of the Parliament assist in resolving these difficulties?
Alligevel fore kommer der også i de europæiske stater krænkelser af menneskerettighederne.
In particular, would the Council welcome a meeting to discuss the outstanding issues?
Man behøver blot at minde om kropsvisitation i Nordirland, tilfælde med tortur i Spanien, Berufsverbot i Forbundsrepublikken Tysk land eller manglende mulighed for virkelig at nægte at gøre militærtjeneste i Grækenland.
The Committee on Legal Affairs and Citizens' Rights believes that it would be appropriate to arrange a meeting with the President-in-Office to discuss these matters, to iron out some of the problems and to establish where the remaining difficulties lie.
Af politisk op portunitet eller politisk inopportunitet forekommer der stadig krænkelser af menneskerettighederne, der ikke straffes i disse stater i Det europæiske Fælles skab.
I would refer the President-in-Office to the debates of this Parliament last October, when I specifically asked the Commission why it had not tabled a formal proposal on this initiative.
Men måske udgør det er forsøg på at skjule den kendsgerning, at disse rettigheder overtrædes i medlemsstaterne på en eller anden måde i større eller mindre grad. Jeg kan nævne som et karakteristisk eksempel Berufsverbot i Forbundsrepublikken Tysk land.
Parliament has already made its view entirely clear on this issue in the debate in October 1982.
I den offentlige diskussion, i solidaritetsbevægelsen mod disse krænkelser af menneskerettighederne var det hensigtsmæssigt, hvis de berørte kunne henvise til, at det supranationale Europæiske Fællesskab har tiltrådt menneskerettighedskonventionen og altså ikke blot var nødt til at påberåbe sig det pågældende lands tiltrædelse.
In the circumstances, although the Committee on Legal Affairs and Citizens' Rights does not object to the terms of the resolution, we must recommend to this House that the motion for a resolution should not be tabled.
Afslutningsvis endnu et spørgsmål til Rådet: Hvilke stater i Det europæiske Fællesskab har egentlig mest voldsomt udtalt sig imod, at Det europæiske Fælles skab tiltræder konventionen? Passer det, som jeg har fået at vide, at Forbundsrepublikken Tyskland — der ellers altid er meget europæisk indstillet — har spillet en førende rolle, og at Storbritannien har gjort hård modstand mod denne tiltrædelse?
Regrettably, some of the experiences Members of the Commission have had with other proposals concerning matters lying on the Council's table for upwards of a decade do not lead one to the conclusion that it is necessarily in the best interest of the Parliament, Commission or the Community to table matters before the Council when one — and I emphasize this — is absolutely certain that they are going nowhere.
Vi er tvivl om, hvorvidt der er en sand og fast vilje til det te.
Is that really the truth of this matter?
Et endnu bedre bevis er den måde, hvorpå Rådet og Kommis
The Commission's view is that it is pointless to table a formal pro
Hoon (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, det var måske uheldigt, at formanden for Rådet ikke kunne være til ste de og høre mine indledende bemærkninger under for handlingen her i formiddags, da det havde gjort ham i stand til specielt at behandle de aktuelle spørgsmål under denne forhandling. Desværre var det bidrag, som formanden kunne komme med, ikke særlig nyt-
In conclusion, the Council cannot sit back on this issue and simply say complacently that it is for the Commission to table a proposal.
Jeg har faktisk mistanke om, at lhans embedsmænd ganske enkelt gav ham en omdateret udgave af en gammel redegørelse.
Hoon from the Council that they are taking the protection of human rights in the Community seriously and that they are prepared to act.
Udvalget om retlige an liggender og borgernes rettigheder mener, at det vil være hensigtsmæsigt at arrangere et møde med for manden for at drøfte disse spørgsmål, bringe nogle af problemerne ud af verden og fastslå, hvor de resterende vanskeligheder ligger.
As I said in my statement this morning, and I think it is a good thing to say so again, we are in the fortunate position of being able to say that the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights is already used as a statutory source in the procedures of the European Court of Justice.
Det synspunkt vil ikke blive understøttet ved hjælp af endnu en beslutning, der gentager vor ubestridte støtte til dette forslag.
Declarations have been made on this subject; they have been quoted this morning.
Under disse omstændigheder er vi nødt til — selv om udvalget om retlige anliggender og vorgernes rettighe der ikke har noget at indvende mod beslutningens indhold — at anbefale Parlamentet, at dette forslag til beslutning ikke fremsættes.
The nature of the matter is such that the same applies to respect for human rights in the countries of the Community itself, and it should also be emphasized that all the Member States of the Community have signed the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights.
Er det virkelig sandheden om denne sag?
What we are discussing here is whether the Community as such should accede to the European Con vention.
Kommissionens synspunkt er, at det er meningsløst at fore lægge Rådet et formelt forslag, når der ikke er nogen antydning af, at Rådet vil støtte foranstaltningen.
Let me begin by saying that the Dutch Presidency shares the view of various Members — the vast majority, I believe — who have referred to the import ance they attach to accession.
Rådet kan ikke forholde sig passivt over for dette og blot med selvtilfredshed sige, at det er Kommissionens opgave at forelægge et forslag.
These are separate issues, the recognition of the individual's right to initiate legal proceedings being a prerogative of each individual Member State.
Vi har brug for en tilkendegivelse fra Rådets side om, hvorvidt det tager beskyttelsen af menneskerettighederne i Fælles skabet alvorligt, og at det er indstillet på at træffe foranstaltninger.
I am not saying this, Mr President, to diminish in any way the considerable importance which the Dutch Presidency also attaches to accession, a cause which I intend to champion, as I have just made clear to Parliament.
Formanden fortalte os, at der faktisk havde fundet en drøftelse sted i Rådet.
I have tried this morning to explain what the current situation is and what is at present preventing a consensus from being reached.
Han fortalte os, at der var argumenter for, og han fortalte os, at der var argumenter imod.
I do not need to repeat what I have already said.
Det er ikke nogen særlig overraskende melding, da vi ved, at man på det tidspunkt, hvor drøftelsen blev udsat i COREPER, blev enige om at have en yderligere drøftelse på medlemsstatsplan. Det er mere end tre år siden.
If I may interpret the statements of most Members as a request for a political sign from the Council Presidency that it attaches considerable importance to this matter, that we wish to intensify the discussion in the Council to see how the differences can be overcome, then I will give that political sign here and now.
Vil formanden oplyse os om, hvilke bestræbelser Rådet har udfoldet for at fremme disse yderligere drøftelser? Blot at lade dette spørgsmål svæve mellem Kommissionen og Rådet er i bund og grund utilfredsstillende.
In other words, I shall ask the Commission, which in fact promised last year, during your debate in June, to consider the matter in greater depth and to come forward with fresh initiatives, to submit a report on the current situation, to indicate where the problems lie and to make proposals for ways in which it believes these problems might be overcome.
Van den Broek, formand for Rådet. — (NL) Hr. for mand, jeg har med stor opmærksomhed fulgt debat ten om et så vigtigt emne som beskyttelsen af men neskerettighederne, og en lang række ærede medlem mer har i dag endnu en gang påpeget den vægt, som Fællesskabet gentagne gange har givet udtryk for, at den tillæger overholdelse og beskyttelse af menneske rettighederne også uden for Europa.
Mr Michelini (PPE). — (IT) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, the speakers from the various parties have been unanimous in saying that the subject of fundamental rights is a subject of basic importance for European policy, just as they have criticized the absence of any clear initiative by the Commission, whilst acknowledging the difficulties involved.
Herom er der også tidligere afgivet erklæringer, og disse er allerede nævnt tidligere i dag.
Seven years are too many, and much time has already been lost.
Er det på den måde, Rådet og Kommissionen agter at efter lade det vitalt vigtige spørgsmål om beskyttelse af menneskerettighederne ?
That, at least, is the intention of the Dutch Presidency, which, while appreciating the problems that exist, particularly in the legal sphere, wants to see real progress made in this matter.
Hvilke særlige argumenter ville de stater have, der er imod denne foranstaltning?
Any initiative is worthy of appreciation.
Hvilke bestræbelser udfoldes der for øjeblikket i Rådet på at rydde
The problem must be solved: the Council and the Commission must make it their responsibility.
Van den Broek der den individuelle klageret, dermed pludselig tvinges til at anerkende denne individuelle klageret.
Michelini mulas which seemed to us to have been accepted — in full — by both the Brussels summit and the Milan summit.
Der er ingen forbindelse mellem disse ting. og en anerken delse af den individuelle klageret som sådan er et prorogativ for hver enkelt medlemsstat.
It seemed to us that there was the necessary political will in the various Member States and in the Community institutions, since the terms used at the summit had been so explicit.
(Bifald) behøver jeg ikke at gentage.
The instrument of the Oral Question with Debate was, in this case, correctly chosen.