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Jeg vil gerne understrege, at vi har haft drøftelser med personalet i Ispra, idet energi, forsknings- og teknologiudvalget har været i nær forbindelse med forskningscentret i de sidste få år.
Mr Casini (PPE), rapporteur. — (IT) Mr President, Parliament has been called on to express its opinion on a proposal for a Council regulation introducing special and temporary measures to terminate the service of certain officials in the scientific and technical services of the European Communities.
Denne gruppe støtter ligeledes i det store og hele betænkningen.
I would simply point out that this report is drawn up and is an annual report.
Jeg synes, vi bør bemærke, at Parlamentet allerede i oktober 1983 slog til lyd for netop en politik som den, der er indeholdt i disse forslag om frivillig førtidspensionering og for over flytning af personalet til andre af Kommissionens afdelinger.
The problem which faced us was whether we should table a motion for a resolution now, before the vote on the budget, and Mr Natali has explained to you why we had to do so: it is because the Council considered that a basis for a regulation on provisional twelfths for food aid was necessary.
Jeg håber, at Kommissionen kan for sikre os om, at man gør alt for at overflytte så meget som muligt af det personale, som har nogen uddan
And so Parliament has drawn up this motion for a resolution so as not to delay food aid.
Der er også mange tilfælde af præcedens i de andre institutioner og i medlemsstaterne for denne form for foranstaltning.
The Legal Affairs Committee was assigned to give its opinion and has asked me to present our report.
Jeg tror, fru formand, at vi står over for et meget simpelt valg her.
Whereas there is no proposal on the first point, the suggestion regarding provisional twelfths is nothing new.
Hvis vi ikke gør dette, skal forskningscentret nok klare sig, men med et meget dårligt arbejdsklima, med en aldrende arbejdsstyrke og uden den saltvandsindsprøjtning i form af nyt personale, som vi så hårdt trænger til.
Since we were obliged to produce a report any­way, it was necessary, so as not to delay food aid, for us to give our opinion, for the sector with which we are concerned, on what was needed.
Omkostningerne i forbindelse med denne passivitet og yderligere forsinkelse,
I should like to say to Lady Elles that what she said is fully in keeping with the position adopted by the Committee on
Jeg vil endda sige, fru formand, at hvis denne foran staltning ikke gennemføres snart, ville det være bedre fuldstændigt at nedlægge forskningscentret.
The conditions for this staff reduction proposed by the Commission are the same as were proposed to reduce staff in 1982 when Greece joined the European Com munities.
til traktaterne er sikret livsvarig beskæftigelse, tvinges til at ophøre med deres arbejde før tiden, vil det udgøre en alvorlig krænkelse af de generelle princip per, som udgør grundlaget for den sociale lovgivning i alle medlemsstaterne og i det foreliggende tilfælde respekten for de hævdvundne rettigheder.
of voluntary redundancy for one grade but not for another is a legally unacceptable discrimination; and above all, that it is encroaching on the status of an official; they are appointed as such and are entitled to the security this entails.
Der skabes således et meget farligt præcedens for hele De euro pæiske Fællesskabers tjenestemandsfunktion.
The Commission proposal, however, even though it only concerns a small sector, would run counter to the precedent set by Greece and could perhaps, in our opinion, set a dangerous precedent for the future.
Der er ingen tvivl om, at dette i så tilfælde vil blive indbragt for Domstolen.
I think, then, that for legal reasons this point of the Commission proposal should be amended.
Vi er i øvrigt overbeviste om, at det vil være muligt at finde frem til en korrekt løsning af det øjeblikkelige problem, som foreligger i Ispra-centret inden for rammerne af det, som jeg kunne tænke mig at kalde tilskyndet frivillig tilbagetrækning, og ved samtidig at uddybe bevægelighedsperspektivet.
This request on the part of the unions is in line with one principle of good management; certain measures have to be taken which will mean hardships and only if it is found that they have achieved nothing will more severe measures be taken.
Selve spørgsmålet, ikke blot formuleringen, er kildent.
I must stress that this staff reduction is not proposed as an end in itself but as a partial reorganization of the Joint Research Centre in view of a change of emphasis in the work.
Hr. Casini gjorde udmærket rede for sammen hængen for lort tid siden.
As you are no doubt aware, the Joint Research Centre's activities were originally confined to Euratom work.
Rent bortset fra dette kan man spørge sig selv, om man ikke oprindelig har begået en fejl ved at give dette personale en status, som virkelig ikke passer til det arbejde, som er blevet betroet dem, som i sig selv er i stadig udvikling.
In recent years, however, partly with the support of Parliament, the Joint Research Centre has branched into other areas, particularly the ecological sector.
Det glæder mig, at centret i de sidste to år har anvendt andre ansættelseskriterier. Det eneste system, man kan anvende for denne helt specielle type forskere, er flerårige kontrakter vedrørende spcifikke programmer, som således kan tilpasses det internationale forskningsbehov.
It is currently concentrating on pro tection against hazards caused by technological innovation.
Jeg vil beskæftige mig med det spørgsmål, som er omfattet af det ændringsforslag, som udvalget om ret lige anliggender og borgernes rettigheder foreslår Par lamentet i forbindelse med hr. Casinis betænkning.
Furthermore, it cannot be denied that the average age of the present staff, taken on a good few years ago, is fairly high and although this means that it is a very highly qualified staff, it is none the less qualified in a field which is no longer useful to the Centre.
Det skal derfor gøres lettere at foretage en forny else af det igangsættende personale på centret.
I think, however, that this is a much broader aim and would, in the meantime, recommend Parlia ment to approve this report.
Der er nu behov for andre videnskabelige kvalifikationer.
IN THE CHAIR: MRS PERY
For det andet har vi et stort antal videnskabsmænd, som blev ansat, da Ispra blev op rettet.
The proposal we are now considering is by no means a punitive measure, in that it is not intended to remove officials who are not capable of doing their work.
De fleste af dem var i deres bedste alder og udførte spændende, nyt videnskabeligt arbejde. De er blevet ældre sammen.
It is a restructuring measure and presupposes that new staff will be appointed to replace officials who are no longer involved in the work.
I den sidste del af sin karriere arbejder en videnskabsmand normalt med ledelse af andres forskning.
However, new appointments will be on a more flexible basis, with short-term con tracts which will allow rapid turnover.
Men vi har for mange videnskabs mænd på stort set samme alder til, at der er mulighed for, at de alle kan følge det naturlige karriereforløb.
Furthermore, there is no economic basis to the proposal in that there will be no immediate saving because the vacant posts will be replaced by other posts; we can only talk about it in economic terms in the overall sense, in that the Joint Research Centre is changing and needs new skills to make it productive.
Fællesskabet har fra andre videnskabsmænd modtaget det råd, at aldersstrukturen i Ispra må ændres, hvis det skaf genvinde sit renommé.
Thus, in the long term, but only in the long term, it can also be called an economic move.
Jeg mener, at vor væsentligste målsætning må være at sikre, at Ispra har førsteklasses videnskabsmænd med kvalifikationer, der svarer til forskningsprogrammet, således at Fællesskabets forskning har det bedst mulige renommé.
The report I am presenting on behalf of the Legal Affairs Committee and which was approved unanimously by the Committee on Scientific Research is very largely in line with the Commission proposal, the only difference lying in the way to achieve the aims we have agreed upon.
Der er ingen grund til at foretage anden klasses arbejde, fordi vore videnskabsmænd ikke har hensigtsmæssige kvalifikationer og erfaringer med det program, der nu skal gennemføres i Ispra.
But in the second instance, and only for grades A3 and A4 it will also take place on a compulsory basis, with compulsory dismissal but the same financial deal as for those leaving on a voluntary basis.
Skal man så tilskynde til udtræden, dvs. tilskynde fri villighedsprincippet, eller skal man tale om forpligtelse til at trække sig tilbage?
I am sorry that he could not be present this evening, but Members will have noted the com mittee's opinion which is attached to the main report.
Det forekommer os, og udvalget har enstemmigt, bortset fra en enkelt, der afholdt sig fra at stemme, godkendt det forslag, hr. Casini har fremsat, at kun et frivilligt system kan forene de forskellige faktorer.
We did examine very carefully the measures that were proposed. We have talked to the management and staff at Ispra and we share as a committee the views expressed by Mr Casini in his report.
Udvalget ønsker selv følgelig ikke at gå ind for livsvarig pension, eller at ligge under for den uansvarlige myte om absolut be skæftigelsesikkerhed for enhver pris.
I would stress the fact that we have had these consultations with the staff at Ispra, because the Committee on Energy, Research and Technology has kept close contact with the Research Centre in the last few years.
Hvis vi skal opnå denne målsætning, må vi ikke vige tilbage for at træffe vanskelige beslutninger.
Madam President, I am also speaking on behalf of the Socialist Group which broadly supports the report as well.
Samtidig skal vi naturligvis være retfærdige over for det personale, der er på Ispra, og hvis arbejde er blevet over flødigt simpelt hen fordi der skal iværksættes andre videnskabelige programmer. Jeg kan tilslutte mig me-
I think we ought to note that way back in October 1983 Parliament was calling for just such a policy as is contained in these proposals for voluntary early
Price get af det, hr. Casini, hr. Adam og fru Fontaine har sagt.
Adam ing climate with an ageing workforce and without the injection of new staff which we so badly need.
Lad mig derfor koncentrere mig om det punkt, hvorpå jeg ikke kan være enig med dem.
The cost of this inaction and further delay, I am quite sure, will be far more than the measure we are discussing tonight.
bage, skulle kunne få 400 000 engelske pund udbetalt i den tid, der ville have været hans erhvervsaktive periode.
I want to make the point that I raised in the Committee on Budgets that we are sup posed to be short of staff in the Nuclear Safeguards Sector in Luxembourg.
Størstedelen af de 120 ansatte, vi søger at komme af med ved førtidspensionering, ville bestemt kunne få op til en kvart million pund hver.
I hope that we will get an assurance from the Commission that everything is being done to transfer as many as possible of the Ispra staff who have some nuclear training to Luxembourg.
Det er uacceptabelt.
There was provision for that in the budget.
Med de problemer, Europa står overfor, med de vanskeligheder, vi står overfor, med de pres serende behov, vi har, med de presserende behov, befolkningen har, er dette ikke noget, fornuftige men nesker i Europa vil finde acceptabelt.
I would go as far as to say, Madam President, that if we do not have early implementation of this measure, it would be better to consider closing down the Research Centre altogether.
Det kontroversielle punkt i denne betænkning er, hvor vidt vi helt kan stole på frivillighedsprincippet, eller om Kommissionen skal have de beføjelser, den ønsker, med henblik på at bestemme, hvilke af de højere tjenestemænd der skal bort.
Mrs Fontaine (PPE). — (FR) Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, I should like to make a number of comments on behalf of the Group of the European Peoples' Party about the report just submitted to us by our colleague Mr Casini, and to congratulate him on the courage and the dedication he has shown in carry ing out the task entrusted to him by the Legal Affairs Committee.
For det andet tror jeg ikke, det vil fungere. Hvad det angår, er jeg enig med en del af det, hr. Price sagde. Det vil ikke fungere, for hvem vil gå?
The Commission's proposal is in line with our earlier request, except on one point.
Det har jeg set beviser for, idet jeg har været med til og været an svarlig for to andre programmer for førtidspensionering; et i det lokale byråd, hvor jeg stadig selv er medlem, og det andet ved Manchester University, hvor jeg før arbejdede.
We stick to our original view that early retirement should be based on a voluntary scheme, because we believe that good staff relations are vital to the success of the Research Centre and that they would be severely jeopardized if measures were taken against people who did not wish to be retired.
Folk går fra de områder, hvor der er efterspørgsel.
We also believe, however, that requests for early retire ment should only be granted where it is in the legitimate interests of the JRC service.
Lad os overveje, hvem der ville vælge at gå.
The question involved, apart from that of defining words, is a delicate one.
Det dre jer sig om ca. 40-50 af de bedst lønnede mænd.
Mr Casini set the context out very clearly a moment or two ago.
Jeg har en mistanke om, at de, der ville vælge at gå, ville omfatte sådanne, som ikke længere har nogen inspiration, og hvis kvalifikationer i visse tilfælde simpelt hen ikke kunne anvendes effektivt, men at vi også ville miste nogele af de allerbedste folk, som ville vælge at benytte sig af disse godtgørelsesbetingelser og tilbyde deres kvalifikationer andetsteds. Det pro blem kunne vi komme til at stå overfor.
He reminded us that the role of the Joint Research Centre at Ispra has changed recently, and agreed that the change required research staff appropriate to the centre's new activities, and therefore, some changes in staff.
Hvad gør vi så med de videnskabsmænd, vi har til bage, og hvis kvalifikationer ikke længere er hensigtsmæssige?
I do not need to go through the report, in which Mr Linkohr has specified the scientific areas where we need new blood.
Giver vi dem et laboratorium og siger: Vi er ikke i stand til at gøre effektivt brug af Deres arbejde, bare sørg for at beskæftige Dem selv!
We want to move from a nuclear emphasis to a non-nuclear emphasis, especially in environmental and safety issues.
Dette ville i den grad være spild af deres ressourcer og af Fælles skabets ressourcer.
This was underlined in the decisions that Parliament took during the discussions on the 1985 budget.
Man har forsikret os om, at der er en bestemmelse, ifølge hvilken enhver der får anden beskæftigelse vil miste 70% af deres løn.
I would like to dwell a second on the point which is the subject of the amendment proposed to the House in Mr Casini's report.
Jeg vil gerne spørge Kom missionen, hvad man så gør med selvstændige næringsdrivende.
The Commission in its draft regulation, the Com mittee on Research in its opinion, and Mr Casini in his report, are in entire agreement on our aims: to give the JRC a new lease of life.
Jeg har hørt, at mennesker, der trak sig tilbage under lignende omstændigheder, da Grækenland tiltrådte Fællesskabet, rent faktisk igen blev be skæftiget af Fællesskabet som free lance-rådgivere og konsulenter. Jeg formoder, at Fællesskabet vil sikre, at denne anomali ikke fortsat accepteres.
To do so, we have to renew the staff who are the driving forces in the centre, and in doing so, to satisfy the material wellbeing, the professional standing and the dignity of the staff concerned with due regard to the letter and the spirit of the Treaties.
Det kan kun gøres, hvis vi giver Kommissionen de beføjelser, den ønsker.
The Commission's draft regulation involved the early retirement of the staff concerned, with financial com pensation.
Jeg støtter Kommissionens oprindelige forslag.
Any disagreement, therefore, comes down to the method used.
Jeg mener ikke, det er acceptabelt.
They were taken on as civil servants, and we must realize that we are, in fact, dealing with a residual problem.
Ford (S). — (EN) Fru formand, jeg må sige, at jeg kan tilslutte mig en række af de kommentarer, der allere de er blevet fremsat.
The basis of appointments was changed, I understand, as far back as 1974, and people at Ispra now are only taken on on a five-year temporary contract.
Det er af afgørende betydning, at aldersstrukturen i Ispra ændres, og det er også af afgørende vigtighed, at Det europæiske Fællesskab påbegynder strategisk forskning og udvikling i Europa — og her spiller Ispra en rolle — der vil gøre det muligt for os at konkurrere med japanerne og amerikanerne.
The people will not be paid if they take other employment and there will be some, possibly slight, savings; but none the less there will be some saving, as recruitment will probably involve people being engaged at lower salary levels.
Ikke desto mindre, og jeg taler på vegne af flertallet af de britiske labourmedlemmer — og, håber jeg, flertal let af de britiske medlemmer — synes jeg, at forslagene er uacceptable af en række grunde.
It seemed to us, and the Legal Affairs Committee agreed unanimously (save one abstention) with the view put for ward by Mr Casini, that only with a voluntary system could we reconcile all the various constraints.
For det første er de urimeligt kostbare. Den individuelle forsker fra Ispra, som frivilligt trækker sig til
Evidently, the Committee had not the slightest intention to perpetuate sinecures, nor to give in to the irresponsible myth of job security at any price.
Munch (PPE). — (DE) Fru formand, mine højt ærede kolleger, også jeg er af den mening, at ordføreren for tjener al mulig anerkendelse.
There are also plenty of precedents in the other institutions and in the Member States for this type of provision.
Hvad resultatet angår, anser jeg det for at være et godt grundlag for en løsning af problemet set ud fra både menneskelige, sociale og juridiske synspunkter.
I believe, Madam President, that the choice facing us at the present time is a very simple one.
Vi har, for fremover løbende at kunne holde øje med problemerne i Ispra, nedsat en kontaktgruppe, i hvilken mine kolleger Adam, Linkohr og jeg selv sidder. Vi har fået forelagt to forskellige forslag, som faktisk i hovedsagen kan reduceres til problemet: afskedigelse eller frivillig ud træden for 120 af i alt cirka 2 260 tjenestemænds ved kommende.
If we want to make way in the Joint Research Centre for new scientists with new skills in order that the Research Centre can play its full part in Community research policy, then we have got to have the staff for the job and we have got to provide an incentive to leave early to those staff whose skills are no longer required.
Det er 5 % af medarbejderne på Det fæl les Forskningscenter, som diskussionen i dag drejer sig om.
If we do not do this, then the Research Centre will muddle through, but in a very poor work-
Dette problem kan vi imidlertid ikke diskutere nu i forbindelse med de 120, der berøres af denne betænkning.
So, let me concentrate on the point where I differ from them.
missionens side, mens energiudvalget ligesom retsudvalget enstemmigt har støttet princippet om frivillig hed.
Such a precedent would be highly dangerous for the entire European civil service. There can be no doubt that the European Court of Justice would be called in.
Jeg bebrejder i øvrigt Kommissionen, at det ikke tidUgere er blevet ordentligt undersøgt, i hvor høj grad man er villig til frivilligt at acceptere denne nye situation.
The really controversial point in relation to this report is whether we can rely entirely on the voluntary principle or whether the Commission should have the powers which it seeks to determine in the higher grades those officials who must leave.
Måske ville et empirisk rundspørge have vist, at der var et antal på 120 frivillige.
I support the Commission proposal and I believe it is absolutely essential that we should give it the powers which it seeks if we are to achieve the objective of firstclass research at Ispra.
Vi ved det ikke, vi gør os alle skyldige i spekulationer. De personer, der formoder, at de bedste udtræder, tager deres udgangspunkt i en hypotese akkurat som de personer, der hævder det modsatte.
In addition, we are convinced that with what we can call 'encouraged volunteers', and increased opportunities for mobility, it will be perfectly possible to solve this short term problem at the Joint Research Centre.
Jeg mener i øvrigt ikke, at det begreb, Kommissionen har valgt, er rammende, for der er ikke tale om førtidig udtræden, men om førtidspensionering af medar bejdere, og det er helt igennem en anden sag.
Having said that, it can be debated whether the error did not lie in allowing to the staff concerned a status which was manifestly unsuited to the nature of the tasks confided to them, which do, by their very nature, change.
Det drejer sig om de involveredes sociale interesser, i hvilken forbindelse der også foreligger en slags pligt til at sørge for personalet, og det drejer sig måske sågar også om en almindelig politisk interesse i at bevare en fælles tjenestemandsstatus inden for EF.
I suspect that those who would choose to leave would include those whose years of inspiration are over and whose skills in some cases simply could not be used effectively, but that we would also lose some of the very best people who would choose to take advantage of these terms of compensation and take their skills elsewhere. That is the problem that we could have.
Jeg har altså bestemte indvendinger, en vis ængstelse, men også en vis forståelse for den anden holdning.
I can only express my delight at learning that for the last two years the Joint Research Centre has improved its recruitment policy.
Alligevel kommer jeg — også efter at vi fra energi, forsknings- og teknologiudvalget har drøftet det med alle berørte i Ispra — til slut til det resultat, at princippet om frivillighed er det eneste, der for tiden er passende.
In my view, the only answer for researchers of this very special type is a renewable annual contract tied to specific research programmes, and matched to the requirements of international research.
Hvis dette princip ikke står sin prøve, kan man altid anstille nye betragtninger.
Now what do we do with these scientists that we are left with, whose skills are no longer appropriate?
Jeg beder altså indtrængende om, at princippet om frivillighed følges, sådan som retsudvalget har foreslået det, da man må tage hensyn til de berørtes sociale interesser, og eftersom der er et uomgængeligt behov for fleksibilitet og for den struJrturforbedring, som vi må arbejde for.
I believe in trying to achieve firstclass standards in Community research, because we must ensure that it is of such a standard that we can expand this kind of work, that we can demonstrate that, by cooperating together in Community research, we can achieve far . more than Member States acting separately.
Der er absolut argumenter både for og imod begge betragtninger.
Different scientific skills are now required.
Det er kun et spørgsmål om prioritering, og alt efter hvilket argument man prioriterer højere eller mindre højt, når man, hvad udfaldet an går, også frem til forskellige konsekvenser.
The second problem is that we have a large number of scientists who were engaged when Ispra was established. Most of them were in their prime doing exciting, new scientific work.
Det strækker sig lige fra det kom munale niveau til det europæiske niveau.
The advice that we have had as a Community from other scientists has been that we need to change the age structure at Ispra if it is to regain its reputation.
Clinton Davis, medlem af Kommissionen. — (EN) Fru formand, indledningsvis vil jeg gerne sige, at jeg taler på min kollega, hr. Christophersens, vegne, idet han beklager, at kan ikke kan være til stede.
Mr Ford (S). — Madam President, I must say that I agree with a number of the comments that have already been made.