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Det er derfor rigtigt, at Kommissionen er interesseret i fjernelsen af uretfærdighed og kræver forkastelse af forordning nr. 284 af 1981.
If we cast our minds back to the settlement of 30 May, we shall remember that it was very sharply criticized in the Parliament.
Ved denne lejlighed vil jeg gerne understrege, ud over det som blev udtalt af lederen af min gruppe, hr. Bournias, det faktisk mærkelige sammentræf med, hvad der i den sidste tid iagttages, at den ærede leder af oppositionen i Grækenland, hr. Papandreou, med hensigt i alle sine taler siger, at EF's faste politik er at tvinge vort land til kun at deltage i byrderne og aldrig i fordelene.
It was criticized because the settlement was not explicitly based on the principle which the Parliament had adopted as being the appropriate basis for dealing with this matter, the principle of convergence: that is to say, that the budget should operate as a device for transferring resources from richer Member States to poorer Member States and not vice versa, from poorer Member States.
Lange, formand for budgetudvalget. — (DE) Hr. formand, ærede kolleger!
Now from the British point of view this sort of arrangement is precisely what the United Kingdom has always objected to.
Jeg ser mig tvunget til her at berigtige en ting. Det er fra græsk side blevet frem ført, at den græske regering ikke er blevet konsulteret.
It is unacceptable for the United Kingdom to be in the position of transfer ring resources to richer Member States through the Community budget, and it is a simple matter of consistency that this should also be unacceptable to us in connection with a proposal to transfer resources through the budget from Greece to ,the United Kingdom.
Nu daterer aftalen om det her debatterede spørgsmål sig fra tiden før Grækenlands faktiske tiltræden.
And in the Committee on Budgets, the representatives of my group proposed that we should reject this proposal.
Den græske regering tog sagen til efterretning uden at rejse den mindste indvending.
As for the other things Mr Bournias said about my party's position in the Greek general elections, I believe that this was irrelevant and should have been . . .
Efter min mening er den politiske holdning, som Kommissionen her har indtaget, en meget alvorlig sag.
President. — Mr Georgiadis, this is no longer a point of order!
Jeg anser det derfor for fuldstændigt uberettiget, når man fra græsk side hele tiden anvender dette argument om ikke-konsultation i debatten og dermed rent faktisk skaber et forkert indtryk.
Mr Gondikas. — (GR) Mr President, since accounts are such a dry subject that very few of us ever pay it any attention and even fewer of us understand it, allow me briefly to outline the problem for those of us who have not yet understood it and to explain why we Greeks support the Commission's proposal as a matter of principle and why we will vote against Mr Dankert's motion for a resolution.
Kære græske kolleger, jeg beder Dem, sæt Dem i forbindelse med Deres egen regering og spørg den, om den faktisk har handlet på grundlag af de modtagne oplysninger.
Article 861 of the 1982 draft budget provides for a sum of 13 647 million EUA to be paid to Greece by way of compensation for its contribution to the cost of the supplementary measures in favour of the United Kingdom.
Så vidt vi er informeret, blev der, som jeg netop har sagt, ikke rejst indvendinger fra den græske regerings side.
This sum is half of what was originally provided because the rest had already been paid to Greece under Article 860 of the budget and under Article 127 of the Treaty of Accession of Greece.
Dermed falder en del af Deres argumentation bort.
However, as part of the reductions carried out by the Council in the appropriations entered in Article 530 of the budget, the sum of 13 647 million EUA to which Greece was entitled was removed and replaced by a p.m. entry.
Det var nødvendigt at berigtige dette, således at diskussionen — også i Grækenland — ikke fortsættes på den måde, som det tilsyneladende er tilfældet for øjeblikket.
Mr Georgiadis — the only member of PASOK present in this House incidentally — was forced to support this just demand when he spoke on behalf of the Socialist Group today.
Og jeg synes, det er meget kortsynet af mine græske venner at sige nu, at det koster dem penge, fordi den argumentation på lang sigt fører til, at det vil komme til at koste grækerne endnu flere penge, fordi princippet om de egne indtægter fraviges.
At the same time Mr Papandreou, the leader of PASOK, and the candidates of his party with its rather peculiar brand of socialism continue to denounce the EEC in their speeches and to argue that Greece only pays money into and never receives anything from the EEC.
Og de par millioner, som det drejer sig om nu, kan sagtens opveje de hundreder af millioner, som grækerne derved på lang sigt går glip af, og jeg mener, at mine græske venner hellere skulle indse, at det ikke fører til noget på kort sigt at tage hensyn til det græske valg på denne måde.
Two telegrams which we received today — one from the French press agency and the other from the German press agency — state quite clearly that Greece is the one EEC country which only gives and never receives.
Jeg har intet at gøre med det græske valg.
And that is the slogan that can be heard everywhere in Greece.
Jeg optræder heller ikke her som social demokrat, jeg optræder her som budgetudvalgets ordfører for at forsvare bestemte principper for Fællesskabets budgetpolitik, hvoraf de egne indtægter er en væsentlig del.
'Greece out of the EEC' cry the PASOK candidates, 'We give more than we receive; the aid to the mountain zones and to lessfavoured areas and the subsidies are wool over the eyes of the Greek Government'.
Og dette Parlament kan ikke eksistere uden egne indtægter, alle vore budgetbeføjelser står og falder med de egne indtægter.
And today you heard our otherwise perfectly affable colleague Mr Georgiadis — despite the position he took up — attacking the Greek Government and accusing it of negligence whereas we, the representatives of the Greek Government in the European Parliament, are fighting for a just and advantageous solution to this issue.
Jeg synes, at vi må være fuldstændig klar over det og ud fra det synspunkt afvise Kommissionens forslag, som efter min mening er et overordentlig letfærdigt forslag. Og nu har jeg faktisk det problem, som hr. Notenboom allerede anviste.
This is why I have been saying since yesterday that the haste to discuss the issue before the Greek elections in our absence was incomprehensible.
Det kan vi også sige igen i år, men Kommissionen har selv koblet tingene sammen ved at forbinde retsgrundlaget med den automatiske tilbagebetaling.
For all these reasons, Mr President, I ask the honour able Members to reject the Dankert report and to approve the Commission decision to exempt Greece from these financial obligations for the second year 1981 as well — a position which moreover was defended here today by the Commission and which is in line with the principles of law and Community interests in letter and in spirit.
Fru formand, jeg gentager, jeg forstår ikke en Kommis sion, som siger, at den foreslår »an important derogation«, og som, efter at det er sket en gang med hensyn til Det forenede Kongerige, nu er villig til at fravige Fællesskabets system med egne indtægter for et par millioner gyldens skyld.
For its part the Committee on Budgets — as Mr Dankert has just explained — accepts that Article 491 of the 1981 budget under the heading Compensatory Payment to Greece provides together with Amend ment 2 of the draft budget, the legal basis to justify the expenditure.
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
President. — I call Mr Georgiadis on a point of order.
Dankert, ordfører. — (NL) Hr. formand, Jeg forstår hr. Notenbooms vanskeligheder med hensyn til punkt 4. Af denne drøftelse er det naturligvis meget tydeligt fremgået, at der her er to ting, der blandes sammen.
Mr Georgiadis. — (GR) Mr President, the honour able Member Mr Bournias mentioned that the item was placed on the plenary session agenda as a result of pressure or of other backstage activities.
Jeg synes, at hr. Jackson dermed bevæger sig på et overordentligt farligt spor, for det, som det her drejer sig om — og det har Tugendhat med rette bemærket — er spørgsmålet: har Fællesskabet egne indtægter, eller er vi villige til bestandigt at trampe på de egne indtægter?
I would however like to point out that the report by Mr Peter Dankert — an old and dear friend of mine — contains certain ideas which one would not expect from a democrat and socialist: he disregards the basic principles of equal treatment and the common sense of justice.
Det er netop det, som jeg tager Kommissionen ilde op, at den ikke lader Grækenland betale med for 1980, og det gælder altså også for budgetterne for 1981 og 1982 og lignende, hvor regningerne fra 1980 stadig skal betales, det forstår jeg udmærket: »Greece was not a party to that arrangement for 1980«.
He claims that Greece is obliged to accept the 'acquis communautaire'; but one could also argue that Greece — through no fault of its own — and I would like to emphasize this, did not participate in the negotiations which led to these measures being taken.
Men i 1981 er Grækenland blevet almindeligt medlem.
The Commission is therefore right to be concerned with setting right this injustice and abrogating regulation 284 (1981).
Hr. Lange har netop endnu en gang mindet om, at Grækenland ikke har gjort indvendinger mod denne ordning.
I would like to take the opportunity
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er interimsbetænkning udarbejdet af Israel for udvalget for ungdom, kultur, uddannelse, information og sport om de olympiske lege (dok. 1-149/81).
here to add something to what Mr Bournias, the chairman of my group, has said: It is a really curious coincidence that recently Mr Papandreou the leader of the Opposition in Greece, — in every speech he makes — has been saying that it is a deliberate part of EEC policy to compel.our country to pay contributions and never to receive anything in return.
Ordføreren har ordet.
President. — I call Mr Papaefstratiou.
Men også denne pille, hvis jeg må bruge et populært udtryk, måtte man sluge.
But the arrangement for the matter under discussion was made before Greece acceded to the Community.
Man i Moskva i 1980 var det en anden fare, der ramte det olympiske ideal. Var det muligt at afholde legene i det olympiske broderskabs ånd i et land, der blot et halvt år forinden havde invaderet et andet land og fortsatte med at føre en ulige krig mod et værgeløst bjergfolk?
This was in the year 1980, and in accordance with the custom at the time and the arrangements originally made, the Greek Government was informed.
Havde man lov til på en anden måde at gentage den fejl, der blev gjort i Berlin i 1936?
I repeat, the Greek Government was informed of what the Nine had agreed with respect to repayments.
Enogfyrre lande mente det ikke og deltog derfor ikke i olympiaden i Moskva.
The Greek Government noted this without expressing the least opposition.
Israel, ordfører. — (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, først og fremmest ønsker jeg at takke formand Pedini og ungdomsudvalgets medlemmer for den tillid, de har vist mig ved at overdrage mig denne betænknings udarbejdelse.
I therefore consider it completely unjustified for Greek Members repeatedly to introduce this argument of non-consultation into the debate, thus creating what is in fact a false impression.
Jeg synes, at det er beklageligt, at det skal tage så lang tid efter vore betænkningers vedtagelse i udvalget, før de kan komme til behandling på plenarmødet. mødet.
I call on the Greek Members to contact their own Government and to ask it whether it did in fact act on the basis of the information it had received.
På grundlag af tre enkle idéer lykkedes det dem at ændre oldtidens vaner, men endvidere mange hundrede år senere at ændre vor opfattelse af tingene.
This had to be said to stop the debate — here and in Greece — from continuing to follow the line that seems to have been adopted.
Ja, hvorfor ikke, for det ville være rimeligt at anse menneskerettighederne som værende den rigtige målestok for afholdelsen af de olympiske lege. Det er netop på et område som dette, at menneskerettighederrie har deres allerstørste betydning, og derfor ville det være ganske rimeligt at benytte dem som udgangspunkt.
Mr Papaefstratiou. — (GR) Mr President, honour able Members, although this issue has been fully dealt with both by the Commissioner, Mr Tugendhat, and by my dear colleagues, Mr Bournias and Mr Gondikas, I too would like to emphasize our total opposition to any idea of Greece contributing to the financial measures in favour of the United Kingdom.
Kan man forestille sig, at den internationale olympiske komité højtideligt ville knæsætte det princip, at olympiaden kun skal kunne finde sted i stater, der overholder menneskerettighederne?
Of course the rapporteur, Mr Dankert, was careful not to insist on a clear position as regards the Greek contribution.
Det er klart, at vanskelighederne vil blive betragtelige.
There is no question of such a contribu tion in our opinion.
Der kan jo ikke være tale om at ophøje den olympiske komité til en international domstol, der skal bedømme landenes adfærd med hensyn til menneskerettighedernes overholdelse.
Not only because Greece did not participate in the Council of Ministers in 1980 when this decision was taken — the same meeting clearly stated that these measures will be financed by the eight other EEC countries — but principally because Greece undertook no such obligation towards the Community; besides everyone knows that lengthy and detailed negotiations on Greek accession were taking place at this time.
Men kan man omvendt gå med til, at en stat, der tilsidesætter menneskerettighederne, skal kunne indtage en central plads i legenes afholdelse? Og hvilken stat, hr. formand, kan påberåbe sig aldrig at have tilsidesat menneskerettighederne ?
For this reason the Commission with all the facts at its command judged correctly that Greece had no such obligation and consequently there was no question of curtailing the payment of the compensatory sum to Greece, not only for 1981 but also for the following years, as the Commission stated today.
I 1896 genoptog vi tanken om de olympiske lege på foranledning af franskmanden Pierre de Coubertin. Men desværre blev de olympiske lege afholdt i en politiseret verden, der uheldigvis har ændret sig meget siden oldtiden.
The Hellenic Republic should consequently be compensated for sums equivalent to the increase in budgetary contributions arising from the financial measures in favour of the United Kingdom.
Lidt efter lidt blev de olympiske lege gjort til et våben i staternes indbyrdes konkurrence, og en række fattige nationer har prøvet på at bevise for os, at deres fysiske formåen går langt ud over deres økonomiske for derigennem at give udtryk for deres magtvilje.
Consequently it is clear and I hope that everyone in this House has already understood that Greece is fully entitled to these sums which under the Treaty of Accession were defined as compensatory repayments and it is impossible that Greece should be required to contribute to the 1980 regulation in favour of the United Kingdom.
Stillet over for dette problem bør man behandle de af den græske regering fremsatte forslag med størst tænkelig opmærksomhed.
Mr Dankert, rapporteur. — (NL) Mr President, I appreciate Mr Notenboom's difficulties with para graph 4.
Og hvad siger da den græske regering?
This debate has, of course, made it very clear that two matters are being confused here.
Hvorfor skulle Grækenland i højere grad end noget andet land kunne byde på denne frihedsramme?
There is nothing I can do about it: it just happens to be that way.
Der er følgelig gode udsigter til, at man vil overholde menneskerettighederne inden for Det euro pæiske Fællesskab.
I do not understand my good friend Mr Jackson, for example, when he says we are not having the poor Member States pay anything back.
I årenes løb har de olympiske lege gennemgået en udvikling. I årene forud for den anden verdenskrig fik vi en advarsel, da Hitler i 1936 nægtede at over række sejrssymbolerne til en sort sportsmand.
I feel that that is an extremely dangerous course for him to take, because the question here — as Mr Tugendhat has quite rightly pointed out — is whether the Community has resources of its own or are we prepared constantly to tread under foot the principle of the Community's own resources?
Men umiddelbart efter krigen gik det hele lidt nemmere, og det var først i 1972, at terrorister i München
And if we are prepared to do this, if we are going to create mechanisms like that for the British contribution everywhere, it will ultimately mean that Greece only gets back from the Community what it has first paid in.
Desværre kan man ikke rigtigt forestille sig, at den olympiske komité uden videre vil kunne acceptere det
I there fore believe that the course indicated by Mr Jackson is
Israel at gennemgå de muligheder, som den græske regering har tilbudt, og hvorfor jeg på Deres vegne ønsker at fremføre vor dybe taknemmelighed.
Why this is happening, Mr Tugendhat has still not explained. Nor is an explanation to be found in the Commission's documents, and I consider this to be an outright scandal.
Jeg vil endda sige, at den modtagelse, der blev det græske forslag til del på mødet i Baden-Baden den 1. oktober 1981 dog uden at være så negativ, som det har været anført i pressen, ikke just var nogen positiv tilkendegivelse.
That is precisely where I think the Commission is going wrong, not having Greece pay its share for 1980, and this is also true of the 1981 as of the 1982 budget and so on, when bills dating back to 1980 still have to be paid and yet: 'Greece was not a party to that arrange ment for 1980'. But Greece became a full member in 1981.
Tugendhat, næstformand i Kommissionen. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg må sige, at jeg har lært mere om De olympiske Lege i Europa-Parlamentet, end jeg nogen sinde før har vidst, og jeg er det ærede medlem yderst taknemmelig for hans meget komplette fremstilling og den udredning af problemerne omkring De olympiske Lege under de nuværende omstændigheder, han gav os.
I should also like to take the liberty of pointing out to you that the explanatory statement supporting the resolution before you was drafted last April and that, in consequence, you may find that some things in it have been overtaken by events. It is, I feel, deplorable that it should take so long between our reports being adopted in committee and their coming before the House.
De olympiske lege er henlagt til Los Angeles i 1984, til Seoul i 1988, mens flere ansøgerlande allerede har meldt sig for 1992.
I feel we must be very clear about this and view the Commission's proposal, which I consider extremely rash, from that angle.
Kommissionen forstår bestemt udmærket, at en del medlemmer af Parlamentet tillægger det betydning, at de identificerer sig med Europarådets holdning.
Mr President, if we owe the ancient Greeks a debt of gratitude for any one thing it is for having invented the Olympic Games.
Jeg behøver vel på den anden side ikke sige, at det ikke kan være Kommissionens opgave at blive indblandet i denne sag.
Indeed, with three simple ideas they succeeded in changing the habits of the ancient world and also, after an interval of many centuries, in changing our own conception of things.
Det formindsker naturligvis på ingen måde betydningen af en erklæring om dette Parlaments holdning i forbindelse med international fred og samarbejde, og jeg er ikke i tvivl om, at den tale, det ærede medlem holdt, og andre med ham, vil få indflydelse på den debat om De olympiske Leges fremtid, der nu finder sted.
In fact they invented athletics, which is a way of pushing back the limits of human capacity, but they also invented aesthetics, that is to say the appreciation of the beautiful, which also provides an opportunity to increase the scope of man's skills by comparison with those of the gods.
Viehoff. — (NL) Hr. formand, inden jeg behandler hr. Israels interimsbetænkning, må jeg sige, at min gruppe ikke er særlig glad for, at vi bruger vor tid på den.
In 1896 the idea of the Olympic Games was taken up again on the initiative of a Frenchman, Pierre de Coubertin. Unfortunately, however, the games were held in a world divided by political conflict and much changed since antiquity.
Der er en international olympisk komité, og der er nationale olympiske komiteer, som naturligvis meget bedre og meget mere intensivt kan beskæftige sig med denne sag.
It would therefore be advantageous to be able to establish the Olympic Games on a permanent site and to give everyone the chance to come together in a neutral territory to engage in sport.
Desuden omfatter de olympiske lege mange flere lande end vore ti medlemsstater.
Why should Greece rather than any other country be the neutral territory?
Kan man forestille sig den mulighed, hr. formand, at Europa-Parlamentet skulle gøre sig til fortaler for det græske forslag og optage direkte forhandlinger med den internationale olympiske komité?
I am bound to say in fact that, at the meeting in Baden-Baden on 1 October 1981, the Greek proposal received, if not as negative a response as was suggested by the press, not altogether a positive one either.
Det fore kommer os ikke udelukket til trods for de foreliggende vanskeligheder.
In 1980, in Moscow, however, it was a danger of a different kind which struck the Olympic ideal.
Vanskelighederne har jeg alle rede haft lejlighed til at beskæftige mig med, og de vedrører navnlig det af den græske regering fore slåede sted.
Could the games of brotherhood be organized in a country which six months previously had invaded another and which was continuing to wage an unequal war against unarmed mountain people?
Placeringen er imidlertid nøje gennem tænkt og er henlagt til Peloponnes.
Could one repeat — mutatis mutandis — the mistake made in Berlin in 1936?
Lad os derfor for en sikkerheds skyld opretholde det græske forslag, så det kan være klart til at blive fremdraget af skuffen som bevis for, at denne idé, der er udsprunget på den græske halvø, fremdeles er brugbar.
Therefore, taking everything into account and in particular the arrangements for those future Olympics to which the IOC has already committed itself, the Greek proposal, which is extremely significant, could at some future date be subjected to a more detailed examination which the IOC would follow with the closest interest.'
Parlamentet har fundet det klogt alligevel at beskæftige sig med denne sag, og det får mig til at tale om hr. Israels interimsbetænkning.
So, Mr President, does that mean that the Olympic Games should only be organized in countries which respect human rights?
Den kan faktisk deles i to: en vurdering af de olympiske lege og Grækenland som permanent værtsland for legene.
It is precisely in an area such as Olympism tbat human rights have their greatest importance and in which they can be invoked with absolute justification.
Hvad der nu er så påfaldende i hele hr. Israels betænkning, er, at han opregner ulemperne ved de olympiske lege, og jeg ville også kunne tilføje endnu nogle ulemper.
Could one imagine the International Olympic Committee formally endorsing the principle that the games can only be arranged in countries which respect human rights?
Derfor, hr. formand, bør den i interimsbetænkningen anførte beslutning efterfølges af en endelig beslutning, der stadfæster de principper, som vi i den mellemliggende tid vil udarbejde i fællesskab.
The question has to be asked, Mr President, could the European Parliament conceivably see itself as the sponsor of the Greek project and take up direct contact with the International Olympic Committee?
Hr. Baillot har ordet for at afgive stemmeforklaring.
Let us keep the Greek project alive and, in case of any difficulties, let us take it down off the shelf to show that, at last, this idea, born in the Hellenic Peninsula, can once again be used.'