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Først de specielle punkter. Jeg vender tilbage til et, der blev nævnt af fru De March: spørgsmålet om ECUens brug inden for landbruget.
Mr Wolff (L). — (FR) Ladies and Gentlemen, I feel that we have heard many speakers who have expressed themselves in their usual manner.
Som det er hende bekendt, fastsættes landbrugpriserne i ECU.
I find that many have spoken to us about the United States.
Vi har en række mekanismer, som medfører, at landbrugspriserne udtrykkes i ECU.
It is true that what happens in the United States always has repercussions in the rest of the world.
Men vi har også en række vanskeligheder, som udspringer af de store problemer med EMS, nemlig den uens udvikling af medlemsstaternes økonomi.
But those very same people who are making the most fuss about the dollar's rise now would undoubtedly also be those who would be most vociferous if it were to start coming down.
Så er der oliedollarargumentet, men det er afsvækket stærkt i tidens løb. Så er der selve økonomiens forvaltning og
We must ensure that this monitoring is carried out in politically equitable fashion, taking in all aspects, and is not, as some might desire, concerned
Men efterhånden som en række realiteter har taget form, mener jeg, at denne tanke gradvis har udslettet sig selv, og at det nu med hensyn til forvaltningen af alle vore økonomier og herunder den britiske er klart, at en vekselkurs, der i højere grad og til stadighed tager hensyn til de økonomiske realiteter, også er en frem skridtets og stabilitetens faktor.
It may be that, in order to obtain a more detailed view of the European Monetary System and of the role of the ECU, we may shortly have to organize closer discussions — I don't know whether to call them hearings — between this Parliament's Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs and the Community's Monetary Committee — surely an institution with which we can hope to talk with the prospect of getting closer to practical results.
På grundlag af denne konstatering tror jeg, at spørgsmålet om pundets ind træden i EMSen melder sig for os alle, så Storbritannien får mulighed for at nyde godt af den europæiske virkning indadtil, at styrke systemet og også at give den europæiske vægt udadtil en større dimension.
One was put by Mr Visser, in the following terms: 'Basically, when we envisage the future international monetary system, would there not be a form of adumbration of an intermediate stage or perhaps of a com pleted form in a transposition of the European Monetary System onto the level of the international com munity?'
Jeg gentager mine egne ord: det forekommer mig, at tiden er inde til med klarsyn — og jeg håber tillige med en vis portion engagement, optimisme og vilje — at overveje pundets indtræden i det fælles marked. ked.
In other words, we would have a certain degree of exchange-rate stability, plus a willingness to take very concrete action, involving all the countries concerned, to deal with economic divergencies.
ke — selv begrænsede — løsninger ligger på bordet; nu er tiden kommet til at blive færdige.
Mr President, may I remind the House that, as you have announced, there are six motions for resolutions.
Det er min første bemærkning, og den sigter selvfølgelig på spørgsmålene i forbindelse med den offentlige ECU, den private ECU, den finansielle integration og konvergensen.
I very much hope that the House will be willing to try to unify them and to consider them all in the same spirit, thus demonstrating its unity of purpose.
Men umiddelbart derefter tror jeg som mange andre her, at man meget hurtigt bør opridse en ny fase.
We hope, that is, that a very broad consensus will be reached, and we shall be expressing our own agree ment with all those motions that are not in direct con tradiction with the positions we have stated in the course of the debate.
Men denne nye fase kræver meget grundige overvejelser. For hvori består den?
I think that, in a way, everything that we were saying about the ECU opens up this possibility.
Den består faktisk i på et givet tidspunkt at skabe et europæisk monetært ansvar, delvis at overdrage Europa funktioner som i øjeblikket varetages af medlemsstaterne og centralbankerne. Samtidig vil den centralbank eller denne spire til en centralbank, som vi taler om, delvis og ikke nødvendigvis udelukkende bringe en form for europæisk monetær enhed til syne.
But I do believe that we should be examining the conditions that would be required for this to happen and for it to succeed.
Der er endnu store fremskridt at gøre, hvis man skal nå det, jeg vil betegne som enheden og ikke blot noget tilsyneladende.
It is possible that there would still be the same destabilizing factors.
Hr. Falconer udvidede på en måde forhandlingen og rejste en lang række spørgsmål, som vi utvivlsomt får lejlighed til at vende tilbage til, når vi skal ind på de mere generelle økonomiske spørgsmål.
Mr Ortoli, Vice-President of the Commission. — (FR) Mr President, I propose to deal very quickly with a number of specific points, and then two or three aspects which I did not cover in my earlier speeches.
Men jeg lagde mærke til, at han udtrykte et forbehold — for ikke at sige en formel modstand mod det europæiske mone tære system. Jeg vil bede ham om at tænke sig godt om, inden han indtager en så kategorisk holdning.
I therefore believe, not that there is any multipolar miracle solution, but that a much better balanced system than the existing system would make a positive contribution.
For Dem, og for mig såvel som for mange andre til stedeværende vil jeg tro, at europæisk monetær styrke udgør et overordentlig vigtigt element som bidrag til genskabelse af ligevægten i det internationale mone tære system og til påbegyndelse af indførelsen af en mere tilfredsstillende international monetær orden.
But only if one condition is fulfilled: built into the system there must be enlightened man agement — enlightened by the needs of others — on the part of each of the leading economic powers, there must be a degree of organization behind currency movements.
Der melder sig to andre spørgsmål i forbindelse med denne nye aktion.
One of these was raised by Mrs De March: the question of the application of the ECU to agriculture.
Hvad drejer det sig så om?
As she is aware, agricultural prices are fixed in ECU's.
De vil lave en centralbank eller lægge grunden til en sådan, og dermed får De en række centralbankopgaver, men samtidig skal De også overholde centralbankens pligter.
This will depend very largely on the degree of alignment that we are able to achieve in the management of our econ omies.
Endvidere støder De på et velkendt pro blem, der på en måde deler landene : Hvilken grad af uafhængighed på europæisk plan, hvilken uafhængighedsgrad skal banken have?
Progress has been made in this area; details have been given, so that there is no need for me to go over them again.
I alle tilfælde mener jeg, at man bør tænke sig godt om på dette punkt. Jeg er ikke kommet til omvendelsens stund, og vi er heller ikke her for at prøve på at overbevise hinanden med det samme.
Lady Elles spoke of what can be done to advance the ECU's development, on which I do not propose to comment further.
Men var det ikke Malraux, der sagde, at historien er en række spørgsmål i højere grad end en række svar?
The removal of legal obstacles is probably a decisive factor in a number of countries.
Det forekommer mig, at der er et godt spørgsmål, som man bør stille sig selv: Har denne europæiske monetære styrke ikke også sin værdi i en så rystet verden, hvori der forekommer så mange fænomener, som De selv har taget afstand fra?
Much the same may be said of the continued efforts of the Com munity authorities to encourage spontaneity, showing their interest in the developments taking place currently and helping these developments to come to fruition. tion.
Og jeg er så nået til de mere generelle bemærkninger om reaktionerne på alt dette.
The second question with which I should like to deal was put by Mr Bonaccini.
Jeg mener, at vi befinder os i en fase, hvor man skal se at komme af med de forudgående betingelser.
Or more exactly, he expressed his views on the subject, to the effect that, as well as everything that we have been saying about the EMS, there is also what has come to be called con vergence.
Der er Kommissionens forslag, der er Herman betænkningen, der er Rådets resolutioner og Parlamentets beslutninger — og ikke blot dem der fulgte på Herman-betænkningen; der var vist to forud der for, for hvilke hr. Bonaccini var ordfører.
The work that we do together to monitor Member States' economies, to evaluate their management of their economies, is not confined to some of them only; it must cover all, so as to arrive at a judgment as to which is the best economic policy combination making for a European optimum.
Spørgsmålet melder sig ikke nu, men det vil det må ske gøre i morgen.
But Lady Elles was not alone in raising another prob lem.
Det er på tide, vi kommer af med disse forudgående betingelser.
There is the petrodollar argument, but it has lost much of its force with the passage of time.
Jeg tror, at i den periode, der nu indledes i en verden, der higer efter stabilitet, men som forstyrres af mone-
I should now like to move on to three or four questions, with which I shall again deal briefly.
Formanden. — Forhandlingen er afsluttet.
Two other problems will arise in connection with this new action.
(Anmodningerne om afstemning snarest muligt blev imødekommet)
I would simply say to him that, to my mind, one must reflect before adopting such a determined attitude.
Heri ligger der et homogenitets-, integrations-, enheds- og økonomisk og politisk udtrykselement, som efter min mening langt fra har givet alt, hvad det kan yde.
These are problems which do not have to be faced today, but it is not out of the question that they will arise in the near future.
Forhåbentlig bliver det under disse auspicier, at det nuværende Parlament og den kommende Kommission kommer til at arbejde, og det bør ske hurtigst muligt.
I say this because I believe that we underestimate — I would find it tragic if this new legislature and the new Commission were unable to generate a different mood from the one that we have experienced in recent years — I believe that we under estimate Europe's strength and I believe that we underestimate its capabilities and potential.
(') Aktuel og uopsættelig debat (bekendtgørelse) — Dagsorden for næste møde: se protokollen.
I turn now to what has been said in more general terms on what is to be done next about all this.
Indholdsfortegnelse
President. — The debate is closed.
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FORSÆDE: HANS R. NORD
IN THE CHAIR: MR NORD
Overførsel af bevillinger nr. 28/84
Transfer of appropriations No 28/84
Formanden. — Jeg har fra budgetudvalgets formand modtaget følgende brev:
President. — I have received the following letter from the Chairman of the Committee on Budgets:
Budgetudvalget behandlede den 9. oktober forslag om bevillingsoverførsel nr. 28/84 vedrørende frigivelse af en bevilling på 1 202 mio ECU til finansiering af de supplerende foranstaltninger til fordel for Det forenede Kongerige og Forbundsrepublikken Tyskland for regnskabsåret 1983.
At its meeting of 9 October the Committee on Budgets examined the proposal for transfer of appropriations No 28/84 to release appropriations totalling 1 202 million ECU to finance compensatory measures for the United Kingdom and the Federal Republic of Germany for the 1983 finan cial year.
på beslutninger, ifølge hvilke dette hverv påhviler budgetudvalget, og først og fremmest en beslutning fra 1973, som jeg synes jeg bør læse op for Parlamentet.
I have looked up the decisions which allocated this task to the Committee on Budgets, and I refer first to a decision of 1973 which I feel I should read to Parliament.
Vore kolleger i budgetudvalget har utvivlsomt været uvidende om denne tekst, om ikke af anden grund, så fordi den er helt fra 1973, da de udtalte sig.
When giving their opinion, our colleagues in the Committee on Budgets certainly failed is take account of this document, perhaps because it stems from 1973.
Det fremgår af dette dokument, at Parlamentet på grundlag af præsidiets forslag skal beslutte — det er altså Parlamentet, som normalt har denne beføjelse — at budgetudvalget, når det ikke mener det nødven digt at udarbejde en betænkning, fordi den ikke har væsentlige indvendinger i forbindelse med en bevillingsoverførsel, eller fordi det drejer sig om en over førsel af mindre betydning — kan man i dette tilfælde sige, at det drejer sig om en overførsel af mindre betydning? — skal underrette formanden om sit synspunkt, og denne skal så informere Rådet.
It is worded as follows: 'Acting on a proposal of the Bureau, Parliament shall decide' — so it is Parliament which is usually responsible — 'that, where the Committee on Budgets deems it unnecessary to draw up a report because it does not have any major objections to a transfer of appropriations or because the transfer is of a secondary nature' — can it be said in this case that the transfers are of a secondary nature? — 'it shall communicate its opinion to the President, who will inform the Council of it'.
Det udvidede præsidium fremsatte i 1978 sine kommentarer vedrørende disse bevillingsoverførsler — idet de gik ud på, at de godkendte budgetudvalgets intentioner om, i lighed med den tidligere anvendte procedure at forelægge en betænkning for Parlamentet i tilfælde, hvor en bevillingsoverførsel er af særlig betydning.
In 1978 the Enlarged Bureau commented on these transfers of appropriations — there had probably been some incident between the Committee on Budgets and the Enlarged Bureau — saying that it approved the Com mittee's plan to follow the procedure applied in the past and submit a report to Parliament whenever a request for a transfer of appropriations presented par ticularly interesting features.
Veil (L). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne komme med et indlæg til forretningsordenen.
Mrs Veil (L). — (FR) Mr President, I should like to propose a procedural motion.
Jeg vil ikke sæt te spørgsmålstegn ved indholdet af den beslutning, som budgetudvalget har truffet, da Parlamentet havde stemt om det principielle i forbindelse med en eventuel overførsel, så snart visse betingelser forelå.
I am not challenging the substance of the decision taken by the Committee on Budgets, since Parliament had approved in principle the possibility of a transfer as soon as certain conditions were fulfilled.
Det bør bemærkes, at Parlamentet ikke havde sat en vedtagelse af ændringsbudgettet som betingelse for denne overførsel, men forelæggelse af ændringsbudgettet.
Parliament had, in particular, made the transfer subject not to the adoption by Par liament of the amending budget, but to the submission of that budget.
Jeg støtter mig her
That was the term chosen by Parlia-
Når jeg er kommet med dette indlæg til forretningsordenen, er det for at opnå, at budgetudvalget i frem tiden, når det drejer sig om spørgsmål af en sådan betydning, udarbejder en betænkning til Parlamentet, således at Parlamentet som helhed kan udtale sig.
This being the case, I think that to claim that this transfer of appropriations is not of particular interest is
(') Godkendelse af protokollen — modtagne dokumenter: se pro tokollen.
Approval of minutes — Documents received: see Minutes.
Chambeiron (COM). — (FR) Kære kolleger, hvis De tillader...
(FR) Ladies and gentle-
(Afbrydelse fra hr. de la Malene)
Mr Chambeiron (COM). men, if you will allow me .
ning, som træffer beslutning på dette område, uden at det klart fremgår, hvor ansvaret ligger.
So, if we do not respect the rules on authority today, the decision will be taken by a body with infinitely less legal competence, and without the relative responsibilities being clearly defined.
Man må re spektere princippet om parallelitet i procedurerne.
We must respect the rule of identity of form.
Parlamentet har nægtet; hvis der bør finde en god kendelse sted i dag — jeg taler ikke om sagsindholdet — skal Parlamentet selv helt utvetydigt tage stilling.
It was Parliament which refused the transfer; if it is now to accept it — and I will not go into the substance of what it is to accept — it must define its position on its own and it must do so unequivocally.
Og hver enkelt skal gøre rede for sit synspunkt.
Everyone must make his views known.
Til slut en politisk bemærkning, hr. formand.
And finally a political point, Mr President.
Hvor dan kan man indrømme, at en beslutning, som er af så afgørende betydning for Fællesskabets funktion, for vore landmænd, træffes så bagvendt, i al hast, så fordækt, og ikke i Parlamentet, som officielt bør tage stilling?
In a case which" is so vital for the life of the Community and for our farmers, how can we allow the decision to be taken behind closed doors, almost furtively as it were, without everyone here having an opportunity to give his views officially?
Af disse tre grunde, hr. formand — af juridisk art og af politisk art — er vi imod den fremgangsmåde, De foreslår.
For these three legal and political reasons, Mr President, we cannot support the procedure you are proposing.
Jeg anmoder om afstemning ved navneopråb. råb.
I demand a vote by roll call.
Som medlem af budgetudvalget vil jeg gerne først præcisere, at jeg er absolut sikker på, at budgetudvalget har handlet inden for rammerne af sine beføjelser.
As a member of the Committee on Budgets I should first of all like to say that I am absolutely certain that the Committee acted well within its rights.
Det mandat, det har modtaget fra Parlamentet, giver det ret til at foretage disse bevillingsoverførsler.
The fact that Parliament delegated power to it authorizes it to transfer appropriations.
Det drejer sig om noget andet.
But that is not the point.
Jeg mener, at det er en formssag, og at man må overholde en vis parallelitet i procedurerne.
It seems to me that we are dealing here with a typical case and that we must observe a certain identity of form.
I juli måned besluttede vi i Parlamentet at blokere midlerne til Det forenede Kongerige og til Forbundsrepublikken Tyskalnd.
In July we decided in plenary sitting to block the payments to the United Kingdom and the Federal Republic of Germany.
Det forekommer mig, at vi bør anvende samme procedure for at frigøre midlerne. Jeg ville derfor ønske, hr. formand, at de forelagde dette problem i forbindelse med frigørelsen for Parlamentet til afstemning, idet denne afstemning vil kunne foretages meget hurtigt under afstemnigerne på tordsag.
I think we should use the same procedure for releasing the payments.
Jeg mener, at problemet er enkelt: man skal blot overholde paralleliteten i procedurer ne.
I think the problem is quite easy to resolve: we must simply maintain the identity of form.
de la Malene. — (FR Hi. loi mand, jeg vil også gerne tage ordet til forrelningsordenen.
Mr de la Malène (RDE). — (FR) Mr President, I too would like to say something about procedure.
von der Vring (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg forstår overhovedet ikke, hvorfor de, der talte før mig, er ophidsede.
Mr von der Vring (S). — (DE) Mr President, I can not understand why the last speakers have got so excited.
De to gruppeformænd, som her har talt, burde efter min mening overveje deres holdning end nu engang.
In my opinion both of the Group chairmen who spoke should reconsider their position.
Budgetudvalget har ikke ret til at bestemme, procedurer her.
The Com mittee on Budgets does not have the right to determine the procedure used here.
Den fastsættes af præsidiet og plenum.
That must be the decision of the Presidency and Parliament.
Budgetudvalget har gjort sin pligt, meddelt præsidiet dette og givet præsidiet og gruppeformændede lejlighed til at afgøre proceduren og fuldstændigt overladt det til Parlamentet at bestemme.
The Com mittee on Budgets has done its duty, it has passed on the results to the Presidency, it has given the Presidency and the group chairmen the opportunity to decide on how to proceed, and it has left the decision to Parliament unconditionally.
Hvert en kelt medlem af budgetudvalget har en bestemt per sonlig mening, men vi mener ikke, at det er en sag for vort udvalg at bestemme, om plenum har lov til at tage stilling hertil.
Every single member of the Committee on Budgets has his own particular views, but in our opinion it is not up to the Committee to decide whether Parliament is allowed to voice an opinion.
Al denne ophidselse har ingen mening.
The Committee on Budgets has
Det er min første bemærkning.
But that was not even the point.
Det er Parlamentet, der har truffet beslutningen i denne vigtige sag.
In my opinion it is not very helpful to hold the vote without a
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Langes penge skal tilbageholdes, i virkeligheden slet ikke pas ser, men at man rent principielt vil holde disse penge tilbage.
On the other hand Parliament will not exactly be covering itself in glory if all we do is say that we intend to vote but do not explain why, in other words if we merely say that we find the proposed supplementary budget rather poor but are still in favour of the British refund.
Min gruppe stemmer altså for, at der på torsdag stemmes en gang til herom, og den vil stemme for frigivelsen af midlerne, sådan som Parlamentet flere gange har lovet det.
So my Group is in favour of voting again on this question on Thursday, and we will vote in favour of releasing the payment as promised by the House on several occasions.
(Bifald fra venstre) gøre helt klart over for fru Veil og også for hr. de la Malene.
(Applause from the left)
Budgetudvalget har overhovedet ikke over skredet sin kompetence, og jeg forstår heller ikke, hvordan Deres kolleger, som var med i budgetudvalget, kunne meddele Dem noget sådant.
Let me make that quite clear to Mrs Veil and Mr de la Malène. The Committee on Budgets has not exceeded its powers at all, and I cannot under stand how your colleagues in the Committee could tell you anything of the sort.