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Hr. formand, min gruppe har seriøse forbehold og føler virkelig, at vi burde fremdrage nogle af mangler ne i betænkningen vedrørende gennemførelsen af fødevarehjælpen i 1982.
I shall give two examples to illustrate my remarks and I refer to Point D of the Motion for a resolution: 'Dissatisfied with the performance of the Commission over the past four years in regard to EC affairs generally'. Is that the rôle of the 1982 discharge?
Den samme kritik skal, tror jeg, også gælde for alle regeringer og hjælpeorganisationer, når vi nu vurderer sagen, som vi igen gør det med bagklogskab og kendskab til den forfærdende situation i Afrika i dag. Men denne forhandling er om 1982.
All the same, this does not seem to us to justify an unfavourable overall verdict on the Commission's budgetary operations — over, moreover, four years.
Der er virkelig ikke tilstrækkelige beviser, hver ken i Revisionsrettens beretning eller i betænkningen af fru Boserup, til at kræve, at Kommissionen træder tilbage på dette grundlag.
May I take also Point 5: 'Considers that. . . the overall management of EC affairs by the Commission during the past four years was inadequate and unsatisfactory'.
Rossetti altid er til fordel for Kommissionen, er det ikke kor rekt at give denne »afskedssalut« til Kommissionen ved afslutningen af dens embedsperiode.
Scrivener dure for granting a discharge to the Commission of the European Communities for the 1982 budget we are today faced with a considerable problem, as the rapporteur has clearly shown.
Med et vedholdende ønske om en resolut kontrol, således at alle de i betænkningen omtalte problemer kan blive løst på den bedst mulige måde, er vi af den mening, at vi bør give decharge for budgettet for 1982.
We have of course tabled amendments for the deletion of those paragraphs but in its present form this resolu tion, which does not dare to reveal its true nature, is unacceptable.
Man var dengang overbevist om, at man måtte handle, fordi det tidspunkt, hvor valutakøbet skete, tillod en betydelig kursbesparelse.
It is quite clear that the Commission has not produced any effective proposal and it has even refused to submit certain basic docu-
Men det ændrer ikke, at Kommissionen ved at handle på denne måde har tilsidesat Parlamentet som budget myndighed.
At the beginning of my speech I indicated that the debate on the discharge concerned the implementation of the budget — in this case the 1982 budget, to which I now turn.
Og det ser det ud til, at Kommissionen er blevet klar over, hvis det er sandt, at den i en lig nende situation i år undlod at følge samme procedure som dengang.
We were deeply shocked, as some points of the motion for a resolution rightly stress, by a series of omissions by the Commission for the 1982 financial year.
Vi har vilje til at opfatte dette som et bevis på Kommissionens ønske om et bedre forhold til Parlamentet, et forhold som Kommissionen i 1982 — selv om vi må indrømme at resultatet var en nyt tig besparelse — ikke respekterede.
The transfer of funds from Community accounts when the Parliament had just rejected the 1982 supplementary budget is certainly extremely reprehensible and we have had the opportunity to put that point several times to Mr Tugendhat.
På lignende måde skimter vi viljen til et bedre for hold til Parlamentet i forskellige beslutninger taget efter 1982 angående andre punkter, der i fru Boserups betænkning kritiseres.
If when faced with such a situation — with the serious nature of the omissions made by the Parliament in implementing the 1982 budget and the management of certain policies, in particular the common agricultural policy as regards the organization of milk markets, this Assembly fails to exercise its authority to refuse to grant the discharge, we are as good as saying that the power of discharge is worthless in Parliament's hands.
Jeg tænker her på julesmørret og forsøgene på at effektivisere fødevarehjælpen.
If we cannot vote to withhold this discharge we still have many grounds for failing to grant it.
Jeg erindrer om, at det drejer sig om at give eller at nægte decharge til Kommissionen for gennemførelsen af budgettet for 1982.
Our position should be seen as a message to the new Commission — a warning. The events of 1982 must not be repeated.
Det er signaler, som ikke altid er klare, ikke altid er tilfredsstillende, men som vi efter vor mening må acceptere og ikke undervurdere.
Thus we wish to be constructive, turning our thoughts to the future and not merely making an empty gesture.
Den liberale gruppe er enig i at behandle denne gen nemførelse på alvorligst mulig måde. Men vi må konstatere, at beslutningsforslaget går meget videre end en sådan behandling.
It is worth stressing that the power of discharge must not be systematically used as a weapon in the hands of this Assembly, nor must it be reduced to a mere administrative control.
Vi står faktisk over for en tekst, som går i retning af en generel sanktion af politisk tilsnit.
As a technical control the discharge is above all a political power.
Det hele er sket, som om man er gået ud fra følgende postulat : at Kommissionen må straffes for sin politik — hvilket faktisk er Parlamentets ret, og vi skal nu vise, at vi har den — idet man anvender dechargen hertil. Dette er imidlertid ikke formålet med denne procedure.
What is the instrument for the granting of a discharge if it is not a power in the hands of the Assembly for the active supervision, realization, management and implementation of policies and projects decided in the budget?
Men selv om denne argumentation i princippet kan anerkendes, er det vigtigt at sikre, at de ændringer, som budgettet undervejs undergår også gennemføres.
Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, for all these reasons the Liberal Group has decided to abstain.
Vi mener også, at der må være mulighed for at respektere forvaltningens natur gennem spredning af udgifter over ikke kun ét, men to år.
In so doing we wish to demonstrate neither complacency nor bias.
I punkt D. i forslaget til beslutning står der følgen de: »der er utilfreds med Kommissionens indsat i de seneste fire år med hensyn til fællesskabsspørgsmål«.
In fact what is the point of voting a budget in, of inserting projects and draw ing up priorities for it, if subsequently the budget which is implemented goes against the one passed?
Har dette noget at gøre med dechargen for 1982?
Therein lies the real political problem of the imple mentation of the 1982 budget which, in our opinion, justifies the motion to refuse to grant the discharge drawn up by the Committee on Budgetary Control.
Vi mener derfor ikke, at dette må føre til en samlet negativ bedømmelse af Kommissionens budgetforvaltning, og ydermere ikke da det er sket over fire år. Fra et formelt synspunkt ville det heller ikke være korrekt: debatten drejer sig om budgettet for 1982.
Finally, Mr President, I should like to mention, at the very moment when the Council has just completed its text on budgetary discipline, with the dangers which that involves for our institution, that the Commission and the Parliament are two privileged partners.
Vi har naturligvis stillet æn dringsforslag om, at disse punkter udgår, men i denne form er beslutningen, som ikke tør stå ved, hvad den sigter på, uacceptabel.
These have just been mentioned and henceforth the most sensible thing to do would be to take a lesson from them for the future.
Jeg mener heller ikke, at det kan føre til, at vi nægter at give decharge for budgettet, af både praktiske og politiske årsager.
Without going again over the very detailed explanations given, the European Democratic Alliance sees two basic reasons which go beyond mere administrative negligence on the part of the Commission and which fully justify the refusal to grant the discharge.
Af praktiske årsager, fordi Kommissionens mandat er ved at udløbe.
(Applause from the Liberal and Democratic benches)
Overførselen af midler til Fællesskabets konti, skønt Parlamentet netop havde forkastet tillægsbudgettet for 1982, er ganske afgjort meget kritisabelt.
In the first instance, when Parliament blocked the pay ment of financial compensation m the supplementary budget of January 1982, Mr Commissioner Tugendhat
eller nægte decharge for budgettets gennemførelse?
This we condemn more as a political error than an infringement.
Hvis Parlamentet i en sådan situation med så alvor lige forsømmelser i forbindelse med Kommissionens gennemførelse af budgettet for 1982 og dets forvaltning af visse former for politik — især den fælles landbrugspolitik, for så vidt angår markedsordningerne for mælk — ikke bruger sin ret til at nægte decharge, er dette ensbetydende med, at beføjelsen til at give eller nægte decharge ikke giver nogen som helst me ning.
In the second instance, when implementing that Community budget the Commission decided to ignore the opinion of its financial controller who had sent the British Government a corrective statement in the sum of 750 million ECU in respect of its infringements over the past four years of the Community arrangements for the milk market.
Selv om vi ikke ønsker at nægte decharge, så har vi også adskillige grunde til ikke at give decharge.
For this reason our political group will support the Committee on Budgetary Control's recommendation to withhold the discharge.
For dette ville betyde, at Kommissionen kan gøre lige, hvad der passer den.
We believe that by doing this Parliament will be safeguarding the exercise of political control over the allocation of European tax payer's money as provided for in the Treaties.
Vor holdning skal forstås som et signal til den nye Kommission.
That was another political error.
Der er tale om en advarsel. Det, som er sket i 1982, bør ikke kunne gentage sig.
(Applause from the EDA benches)
Det ville være rimeligt, om den nye Kommission omhyggeligt noterede sig dette.
In this respect, Mr President, our political group has certain reservations about the way in which the proposed decision has been set out.
Men vi ønsker at være konstruktive, at se fremad og ikke blot slå et slag i luften.
However, we believe that we shall be able to give expression to our wishes by voting accordingly on the various amend ments which have been tabled.
Dette er det andet og mere betydningsfulde aspekt af problemet, hvilket også ordføreren kom ind på. Hvad er decharge-proceduren, hvis den ikke er en aktiv kontrolbeføjelse i forbindelse med forvaltningen og gennemførelsen af de forskellige former for politik og foranstaltninger på budgettet?
Mr Dankert (S). — (ML) Mr President, it was, I think, Maurice Faure who wrote in one of the docu ments for the Dooge committee, that a Parliament, which has the rights which the European Parliament has — I quote in English — 'Is doomed to oblivion or overstatement and more often than not to both'.
Vi ønsker hverken at stille os positivt eller at have forudfattede meninger. ger.
We believe that in implementing this budget the Com mission manifestly engaged in specific actions which ran counter to the political will of the European Par liament.
Der er tale om en supplerende beføjelse til budget beføjelserne, da dechargen er den naturlige forlængelse heraf.
Mr President, as this debate is an important one, I think that we should try to stay somewhere between Oblivion and overstatement'.
For det tjener intet formål at vedtage et bud get, at opføre foranstaltninger og foretage visse prioriteter, hvis gennemførelsen af budgettet herefter er i modstrid med det vedtagne budget.
Mr Aigner, Chairman of the Committee on Budgetary Control, said that this was not intended as personal criticism, either of the Commission, or of individual commissioners, to which I should like to add that political criticism always involves people.
Endelig vil jeg trods alt erindre om, at netop på det tidspunkt, hvor Rådet er ved at lægge sidste hånd på sit dokument vedrørende budgetdisciplinen med de farer, som dette måtte indebære for vor institution, at Kommissionen og Parlamentet er to privilegerede partnere. De bør i meget højere grad styre samme vej.
We could, in good faith, make light of isolated cases of digression from the policy laid down by Parliament, digressions which the Commission needed to make during the course of the year.
Lad os blot være objektive : dette har ofte været til fældet, og vi kan ikke med en enkelt afstemning for nægte fortiden.
One could justify the little acts of fine tuning which every institution needs to make when implementing a budget.
Men det er, også rigtigt, at der somme tider er opstået meget alvorlige problemer. Jeg har netop omtalt disse, og det fornuftigste ville være, om vi tog lære heraf for fremtiden.
But in the case in question we believe that the Commission displayed a cavalier indifference towards the decisions of Parliament and even engaged in actions which were in breach of Community legislation and, perhaps, of its own laid-down procedures.
(Bifald fra den liberale og demokratiske gruppes pladser) ser)
Mr President, there are a number of points in the discharge resolution which I shall not go into, but which I hope will not be adopted by Parliament.
Mouchel (RDE). - (FR) Hr. formand, kære kolleger, nu hvor vi på ny behandler spørgsmålet om decharge til Kommissionen for budgettet for 1982, står vi her over for et meget stort problem, hvilket ordføreren også har gjort rede for.
I wish to concentrate here on one point, which the commissioner also dwelt on very strongly just now, namely the question of the 1982 rebate for the UK, which Parliament rejected.
For det første: efter at Parlamentet havde spærret betalingen af budgetkompensationen i tillægsbudget tet fra januar 1982, tog kommissær Tugendhat initiativet til at udbetale midlerne til det britiske finansministerium, hvilket betød, at Parlamentets vedtagelser under andenbehandlingen mistede enhver betydning.
Mr President, the political responsibility for the Com munity budget rests, and must rest, with the European Parliament, since it is the political body which has been directly elected by the peoples of its Member States.
Der er tale om mere end en forsømmelse, der er tale om et politisk fejltrin.
Any attempt, from whatever quarter, to vitiate the rôle of Parliament must be countered with the necessary rigour.
Der er først et teknisk problem: den 10. april vedtog Parlamentet at udskyde dechargen for regnskabsåret 1982 til udgangen af september 1984, da man forventede at få detaljerede besparelser og forslag fra Kom missionens side, hvilket de konstaterede forsømmelser i forbindelse med gennemførelsen af budgettet for 1982 havde rejst krav om.
The Group of the European Right believes that by granting the discharge we should be ratifying, or at least acquiescing in, a budgetary implementation which ran counter to the regulations and the expressed political will of Parliament.
Kan vi gøre andet end at påtage os de beføjelser, der tilkommer Parlamentet i henhold til forretningsordenen, dvs. dets beføjelser til at kontrollere og give
It is of course impossible. Parliament, the budgetary authority, rejects part of the budget, and what does the Commission do, the Commission transfers the money.
Kommissionen har ikke blot undtaget Storbritannien fra enhver form for tilbagebetaling, men kommissær Tugendhat har også berøvet Europa-Parlamentet dets budgetkontrolbeføjelser, da han ikke har givet det adgang til oplysningerne i forbindelse med dette dos-
Even now, two years later, for the very simple reason that we have a Coun of Auditors to consider precisely how it is to be done, in consultation with Parliament, and to give a considered opinion in the light of the Court of Auditors' previous experience in such matters.
(Bifald fra RDE-gruppens pladser) og uden vilkårlige konklusioner og generaliseringer. Derfor, hr. formand, fastholder vor gruppe nogle for behold med hensyn til den foreslåede udformning af beslutningen.
Mr Clinton (PPE). — Mr President, we are fortunate to have in this Parliament a Committee on Budgetary Control that has put up a very creditable performance ever since it was established.
Men vi tror, at vi vil være i stand til at give udtryk for vor vilje ved at indtage en passende stilling under afstemningen om de forskellige æn dringsforslag, som er stillet.
This is not just my view, it is a view that has been frequently expressed from all sides of the House.
Dankert (S). — (NL) Hr. formand, det var Maurice Faure, der vist i et af dokumenterne til Dooge-komi-teen skrev, at et parlament med de beføjelser, som Europa-Parlamentet har — og jeg må nu citere ham på engelsk — »is doomed to oblivion of overstatement and more often than not to both «.
The Commissioner said quite clearly that the Commission's actions in transferring the money were motivated by the hope that in this way it would be possible for Parliament and Council to reach agreement.
Hr. Aigner, butgetkontroludvalgets formand, har sagt: det drejer sig ikke om personlig kritik af Kommissionen, af individuelle kommissærer, selv om jeg natur ligvis vil nuancere det således, at politisk kritik nu engang altid rammer personer.
By transferring the money to 'special bank accounts' — that is what the Commission called them — the money remained the property of the Commission.
Det må det også være.
The Com mission's accounts are in England.
Men i det konkrete tilfælde konstaterer vi en provokerende ligegyldighed fra Kommissionens side med hensyn til at gennemføre Parlamentets beslutninger, vi konstaterer endog aktioner, som overtræder Fællesskabets lovgivning og muligvis også dets retspraksis.
We want to see this committee getting every possible facility and cooperation to ensure that money provided by the Community taxpayers is spent to the best possible advantage and strictly according to Community rules.
Jeg vil her koncentrere mig om en ting som også kommissær Tugendhat netop har understreget usædvanlig stærkt, nemlig spørgsmålet om tilbagebetalinger i 1982, den af Par lamentet forkastede »rebate for the UK«.
Yet we are being advised by the Commission that the discharge for the 1982 budget should now be granted.
Europa-Parlamentet, hr. formand, har og bør have det politiske ansvar for fællesskabsbudgettet, efter som det er det politiske organ, som er direkte valgt af medlemsstaternes folk.
Is this not tantamount to saying to the Committee on Budgetary Control: Work as hard as you like, make all the investigations that you will, but do not take any effective action to combat serious breaches of the rules or to ensure that monies received through these breaches are speedily refunded?
Ethvert forsøg, uanset fra hvilken side det kommer, som sigter mod at degradere Parlamentets rolle, bør imødegås med den nødvendige styrke.
As I see it, if discharge is to be granted in circumstances where the taxpayers' money has been misspent, while at one and the same time causing serious distortion of trade, then this committee should be disbanded without further delay.
Så nåede vi til spørgsmålet: Bør vi eller bør vi ikke give decharge?
Its work will have become a waste of time and effort.
Det går naturligvis ikke.
There is not one iota of difference.
Parlamentet, dvs. budget myndigheden, forkaster et element i budgettet, og hvad gør Kommissionen — Kommissionen overfører pengene.
It means that from the point of view of cash balances, balance of payments problems and the like, from the moment when the Commission transferred the money, the British government reached a position which it should have reached a good two months later, after the supplementary budget had been approved by Parliament. Mr President, it is a serious, I think a very serious, matter.
Jeg mener, at det er en højst politisk sag, som der må fældes en højst politisk dom over.
When the Commissioner says that the money was handed over in order to facilitate an agreement between Parliament and the Coun cil, it is not only incredible.
Også nu to år efter af den helt simple grund, at vi har en Revisionsret, der kan undersøge, hvad der præcis er sket, og fordi Parlamentet kan afsige en mere omhyggelig dom på grund af de oplysninger, som Revisionsretten er nået frem til i denne slags sager.
I think that it is also absurd, because what the Commission did in fact was to weaken Parliament's negotiating position on the classification of the British contribution. Weaken it, because at the time of the negotiations, the British government had access to the money.
De europæiske højrepartiers gruppe mener, at ved at give decharge ratificerer vi, eller i det mindste tolererer vi, gennemførelsen af et budget, som er imod for ordningerne og imod Parlamentets udtrykte politiske vilje.
I have asked the Commission before now what amount of money is being drained from the limited budget we have each year by fraud of one sort or another. I have got no reply.
Ved at give decharge giver vi et afladsbrev til Kommissionen for dens synder og viser manglende forudseenhed med hensyn til fremtiden, eftersom vi giver den nye Kommission mulighed for at gentage den afgående Kommissions taktik.
I know quite well that it is not an easy question to answer, but we all know that we are talking about a very substantial sum. It is all the more necessary therefore that action against offenders be taken with all possible speed in order to have these monies refunded.
Derfor vil min gruppe støtte budgetkontroludvalgets forslag om ikke at give decharge.
The Commissioner said with a certain irony that there is no safer moment to refuse to grant discharge than six weeks before the retirement of the present Com mission. I think that is in fact a serious point.
Samtidig mener vi, at ved udformningen af den pågældende parlamentsbeslutning bør der ikke åbnes mulighed for ondsindet kritik og politisk udnyttelse fra dogmatiske modstandere af Fællesskabets ide.
But, Mr President, on 30 April 1984 Parliament also adopted a decision on its internal rules specifying that it must be possible within the framework of the discharge procedure to give individual Commissioners with specific responsibility for the matters under discussion in the discharge procedure and for the decisions which Parliament takes with regard to the Com mission the opportunity of taking the responsibility individually and taking the consequences.
Ved at overføre pengene til »special bank accounts« — det var kommissærens ord — forbliver disse penge Kommissionens ejendom. Det er rigtigt.
What I am being asked by the Irish Dairy Co-op is when we are to get back the money taken from us through the manipulation of prices by the British dairy boards.
Vi står over for et konkret problem : den dårlige gen nemførelse af 1982-budgettet.
Mr President, I think that during this difficult phase we cannot in fact disrupt the Community by using a motion of censure to call on the entire Commission to resign.
Lad os imødegå dette konkrete problem og lad os udforme vor beslutning uden at lade den tilspidse sig, uden politisk spredning
I think that in these very special circumstances, where there is a very specific responsibility on the part
Dankert lesskabets skatteydere anvendes så fordelagtigt som muligt og i nøje overensstemmelse med fællesskabs bestemmelserne.
Clinton the Commission for months now in an effort to get some information on this subject and I am still waiting for the information.
Vi har nu foran os flere end nok beviser på, at der har været alvorlige overtrædelser af disse bestemmelser, hvilket har kostet fællesskabsbudgettet meget betyde lige beløb. Alligevel anbefaler Kommissionen os at give decharge for 1982-budgettet nu.
I note, for example, that when the EAGGF accounts for 1978 and 1979 were being cleared some strange events were brought to light by the Committee on Budgetary Control as regards certain sums advanced to the United Kingdom in the milk products sector.
Er dette ikke ensbetydende med at sige til budgetkontroludvalget: Arbejd lige så hårdt, i har lyst til, foretag alle de undersøgelser I vil, men træf ikke effektive foranstaltninger til at dæmme op for alvorlige brud på reglerne eller til at sikre, at de penge, der er modtaget via disse brud, omgående tilbagebetales?
The attitude of the Commission, which had a duty to set in motion the procedures for the recovery of the 864 million ECU unduly paid to the United Kingdom, requires a more convincing explanation than that provided provided hitherto.