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Hvis derfor Europa-Parlamentet vedtager det tillægsbudget, som vi inden længe forelægger, og som selvfølgelig vil afspejle de ønsker, som Parlamentet gav udtryk for i december, så har vi pengene til disposition, og vi vil foretage udbetalingerne.
So you see, I feel it's not such a bad idea after all to ask such ques­tions, nor do I consider it so unusual that the House should receive answers which, strictly speaking; go beyone the curt formula.
Hvis tillægsbudgettet imidlertid ikke vedtages, vil vi ikke foretage udbetalingerne, og det mener jeg bør stå helt klart.
I am, at any rate, much obliged for this answer and I shall end by asking Com­missioner Tugendhat if he is prepared to provide fuller details to the specialists of our budget committees at a meeting within the next few days.
I hvert fald takker jeg mange gange for dette svar, og jeg ville blot spørge hr. Tugendhat, om han eventuelt er villig til at komme nærmere ind på det i udvalgene i denne uge sammen med Parlamentets sagkyndige.
I should also like to make it clear that the decision to proceed in this way over the handling of these accounts was taken after due deliberation collectively by the Commission itself.
Det er noget, som naturligvis er i alle medlemsstaters såvel som i Fællesskabets interesse.
As I made clear in my state­ment, additional information is available which I will provide for Mr Notenboom.
Tugendhat. — (EN) Hr. formand, det vil jeg godt.
Mr Tugendhat. — Mr President, I can.
Jeg kan enten give de supplerende oplysninger skriftligt eller møde op i udvalget alt efter, hvad udvalget foretrækker.
I can provide the additional information either in written form or by an appearance in front of the committee, whichever the committee prefers.
Bangemann (L). — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg er stadig let forvirret, men på et meget højere plan ! Jeg vil gerne stille to helt konkrete spørgsmål. Kommissæren har nævnt, at han har ringet til Dem — jeg tror endda, det var om aftenen eller om natten — og meddelt Dem, at disse to konti var blevet åbnet.
Mr Notenboom (PPE). — (NL) To begin with I would like to thank all those people who have made possible the answers to the questions tabled by me at such short notice, not least Commissioner Tugendhat for having expounded on them to the House.
Anser kommissæren det ikke som tegn på, at det må have drejet sig om en usædvanlig aktion?
However, apart from those few gifted people who understand everything at once,
Jeg vil blot gerne sige endnu et par ting.
I would just like to say two other things.
Jeg er enig med hr. Notenboom i, at disse spørgsmål er vigtige, og jeg er glad for, at De giver mig lejlighed til at komme med svarene.
I agree with Mr Notenboom about the importance of these ques­tions and I am grateful to you for giving me the opportunity to provide the answers.
Selv om hr. Notenboom skrev til mig den 24. december, ved han godt, at jeg faktisk først — takket være · det europæiske postvæsen — først fik brevet i slutningen af sidste uge.
Though he wrote to me on 24 December, as he knows, I only actually received the letter — thanks to the efficiency of the European postal services — at the end of last week.
Derfor er dette indlæg udarbejdet siden da, og jeg kan selvfølgelig udsende det, men det er grunden til, at jeg ikke har været i stand til at udsende noget inden denne mødeperiode.
Therefore this statement has been prepared since and I can of course circulate it, but that is why I have not
Det forekommer mig, at der under de ret specielle betingelser, som er opstået som følge af budgettets forkastelse, er meget, der taler for transparens, og oprettelsen af en ekstra konto er et middel til"transpa- transpa- penge uden hjemmel i budgettet.
Mr Junot (DEP). — (FR) Mr President, I am pleased that, in his statement, the Vice-President of the Com mission wished to dispel any misunderstanding over the consequences of rejection by the Assembly of the supplementary budget.
Men er pengene nu på en eller anden måde stillet til de to regeringers disposition, så at de kan gøre brug af dem, om end kun inden for rammen af et valutaforbund — natur ligvis med forpligtelse til i givet fald at betale dem tilbage igen — eller findes der en eller anden form for særlige aftaler, f.eks. i form af en garanti, en kaution, en deponering, en brugsret, selv om det kun. skulle være på valutamarkedet?
I listened carefully to Mr Tugendhat but I must confess that I am not entirely clear what he was saying. There seems to remain confusion as to the dates — regarding what happened before rejection on 15 December and after that date — and as to the fundamental distinction between cash-flow and the budget.
Det er vel her, det afgørende problem ligger.
They have been paid by the Member States and converted into pounds sterling and deutschmarks and are apparently blocked in bank accounts in the treasury of each Member State opened in the name of the Commission.
Jeg formoder nemlig ikke, at Kommissionen giver penge ud uden en budgetvedtagelse. tagelse.
But if the Assembly persists in the position adopted by it on 15 December, what will happen since you, Mr President, are telling us that the Commission alone is en titled to use these funds?
Men jeg har hørt, og det er ikke bare rygter, at Kommissionen endog over for de to medlemsregeringer har givet udtryk for, at de har visse fordele i kraft af disse to konti.
I am think ing in terms of any kind of guarantee, deposit, bond or utilization rights, if only on the currency markets? For this is the heart of the matter.
Derfor mit konkrete spørgsmål: Er der nogen fordel, som disse to regeringer kan drage af disse konti?
In the absence of parliamentary approval on budgetary matters I shall not tolerate attempts by the Commission to bypass this House and make the sums available.
Bord (DEP). — (FR) Hr. formand, selv om det drejer sig om en sag, som jeg vil kalde ganske særlig indviklet, anser jeg det for væsentligt, at Parlamentet kan anskue tingene med større klarhed.
Mr Tugendhat. — Mr President, I will of course give the honourable Member my statement in order to blow away the confusion that he says exists, but let me make this quite clear.
Jeg takker næstformanden for de yderst interessante oplysninger, han har givet os, men han kan måske alligevel hjælpe mig til en meget klar stilling til en side af dette spørgsmål: Hvordan er disse bevillingers retlige stil ling efter Europa-Parlamentets forkastelse af tillægsbudgettet, så længe den administrative konto ikke er gjort op?
/ A disquieting aspect in this whole affair are the persistent echoes — and they are more than rumours — to the effect that Britain and the Federal Republic will be afforded special advantages in relation to these accounts which have been opened by the Commission. My specific question to Commissioner Tugendhat is: Are there any advantages, of whatever nature, which the two Member States in question could benefit from, as regards these two accounts?
Tugendhat. — (EN) Hr. formand, som De måske vil erindre, var det ikke midt om natten, jeg ringede til Dem, men snarere efter min mening omtrent ved »drinks-tiden«.
Mr Tugendhat. — Mr President, as you will recall, it was not the middle of the night when I called you but I thought rather more at 'drinks time'.
Tugendhat. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg kan se, at Parlamentet ønsker at foretage en hel del yderligere undersøgelser.
The European Parliament rejected the supplementary budget on 16 December.
Men de bevillinger, som var nedfældet i tillægsbudgettet, faldt, da tillægsbudgettet faldt — de blev annulleret, ophævet.
Therefore the Commission cannot, and would not, make payments to the' United Kingdom or Germany that were envisaged in that budget.
Jeg kender ikke den tekniske betegnelse på fransk, men jeg håber, at det kommer ud på den måde, jeg siger det — ophævet.
We have, however, the necessary funds avail able to do so in pounds and in German marks.
Ikke desto mindre vedbliver valutabeløbene med at være der, og Parlamentet gjorde det klart, eller rettere et stort antal parlamentsmedlemmer gjorde det klart, at de ikke havde noget imod, at disse udbetalinger til Det forenede Kongerige og Tyskland blev foretaget; deres indvendinger gik på formen og frem gangsmåden ved disse udbetalinger.
If, therefore, the European Parliament passes the supplementary budget which we shall be introducing quite shortly and which will, of course, reflect the wishes stated by Parliament last December, then we shall have the money available and we will make the payments.
Hvis jeg ikke havde gjort det den dag, ville vi være blevet fanget i juletravlheden, og så ville måske et eller andet knap så forekom mende medlem som hr. Bangemann være stået op og have kritiseret mig for ikke at have gjort alt, hvad jeg kunne for at lade oplysningerne tilflyde Parlamentet så hurtigt,som muligt. Så det er grunden til, at jeg gjorde dette.
But whether or not budgets are passed and whether or not payments are made, the Commission also has a duty to ensure that there is as little disturbance as possible in the currency market as a result of our transactions.
Og jeg havde jo ret: Der er opstået misforståelser, som dette indlæg har til formål at bringe ud af verden.
That is something which, of course, is in the interests of all Member States as well as of the Com munity itself.
Men hvis Parlamentet ikke vedtager tillægsbudgettet, bliver der ikke brug for disse penge til disse formål.
Mr Bangemann (L). — (DE) Mr President, I am still slightly confused, but on a much higher level.
Lange (S), formand for budgetudvalget. — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer, på grund af de spørgsmål, hr. Notenboom har stillet, har Kommissionen heldigvis følt sig forpligtet til allerede i dag at fremsætte nogle bemærkninger til de begivenheder, som i offentligheden har udløst i hvert fald nogen uro
I should like to ask the Commissioner two very specific questions in the wake of the telephone call he made to you one evening, indeed night, to which he referred ear
For det andet er det ikke nogen fordel — og budget udvalget vil uden tvivl kunne forhøre mig yderligere herom, hvis det ønsker det — for de berørte medlemsstater, at vi har en separat konto til disse penge.
It was, of course, a very unusual situation that existed on the day after the rejection of the budget by this Parliament.
Det er en fordel set fra vort synspunkt, fordi der her potentielt — jeg siger potentielt, fordi vi stadig ikke ved, om budgetmyndigheden vedtager vort næste tillægsbudget — er en speciel og ganske omfattende selvstændig transaktion, der skal udføres uafhængigt af det enorme antal transaktioner, som hele tiden finder sted.
But it was also the day of a meeting of the Finance Ministers in Brussels: the President of Parliament had made a statement of some importance, and the President and myself had participated in a discussion.
Derfor finder jeg det hensigtmæssigt, at disse penge let kan identificeres.
I was therefore aware of the possibility of misunderstandings arising.
Der er også det, at hvis de er lette at identificere, og hvis budgetmyndigheden ikke skulle vedtage det kommende budget — det viser tilbage til et spørgsmål, som et æret medlem stillede tidligere — så
If I had not done so that day, we should have got caught up in the Christmas rush and perhaps some Member of Parliament less courteous than Mr Bangemann might have got up and criticized me for not doing all that I could to make information available to Parliament as quickly as possible. So that is why I did
Formanden. — Hr. Bangemann, jeg mener, at vi mere eller mindre besluttede, at yderligere diskussion bør finde sted i budgetudvalget. De laver nu et spørgsmål om til et indlæg til forretningsordenen.
But it was made quite clear in the debate, and indeed it has been borne in upon us since, that should we bring forward a second supplementary budget, that it was more likely than not — I repeat more likely than not — that these sums of money would be required in the not too distant future for expenditure under one head ing or another in those countries.
Vi må altså se, hvordan vi kommer videre, og dertil er det også nødvendigt med Deres hjælp.
If of course Parliament does not pass the supplementary budget, that money will not be needed for those purposes.
Bangemann (L). — (EN) Undervurder nu ikke min intelligens, hr. formand. Jeg ønsker ikke at lave et spørgsmål om til et indlæg til forretningsordenen.
Secondly, there is no advantage — and the Committee on Budgets will no doubt be able to probe me further on this matter if it wishes — to the Member States concerned in the fact that we have a separate account for this money.
Har disse lande nogen fordel af, at disse bankkonti oprettes?
Therefore it is, I think, convenient to have that money clearly identifiable.
Men når en angivelig omsorgsfuld foranstaltning fra Kommissionens side, med henblik på en eventuel udbetaling af midler i et tillægsbudget har vakt sådan en opsigt i offentligheden, at man endog kunne formode, at disse penge på de særlige konti i Forbundsrepublikken Tyskland og i Det forenede Kongerige stod til rådighed for myndighederne i de to lande, så er der så meget mere grund til at klar lægge, om det — indirekte eller direkte — er tilfældet.
There is also the fact that it is clearly identifiable and that if the budgetary authority were not to pass the subsequent budget — that goes back to a question which the pre vious honourable Member asked — then the money would be there and obvious and it would be the money which would in due course, and in an orderly fashion, have to be liquidated and transferred to other purposes. poses.
Formanden. — Jeg vil gerne byde den østrigske dele gation, der har taget plads i den officielle loge, hjertelig velkommen.
It seems to me that, in the rather exceptional circumstances that have arisen as a result of the rejection of the budget, there is a great deal to be said for having transparency, and the opening of an additional account is a means for providing transparency.
'Det må under alle omstændigheder stå helt klart, for Deres redegørelse før indeholdt en passage, der kunne se lidt problematisk ud og kunne fremkalde det indtryk, at medlems landene muligvis allerede på indeværende tidspunkt kunne drage fordel af en sådan kapitalanbringelse.
When this aspect has been dealt with today, I can assure Commissioner Tugendhat that the Committee on Budgets will have an additional opportunity of examining in greater detail all pertinent aspects at its next sitting.
Chambeiron (COM). — (FR) Hr. formand, jeg har to meget korte spørgsmål til Kommissionen.
Mr Bord (DEP). — (FR) Mr President, although this is a particularly complex matter, I think it is essential for Parliament to have the clearest possible inform ation.
Jeg vil minde den om, at den i december besluttede át yde en nødhjælp på 300 000 ECU til Vietnam, hvad jeg i øvrigt er glad for.
Mr Tugendhat. — Mr President, I can see that there is a good deal of further examination that Parliament will wish to make.
Kan Kommissionen fortælle os, hvor langt man er kommet med udnyttelsen af denne hjælp, op hvornår den bliver ført til ende?
But the appropriations which were enshrined in the supplementary budget fell when the supplementary budget fell — they were annulled, finished.
Kan denne beslutning for øvrigt give os håb om, at Kommissionen genindfører fødevarehjælpen til Vietnam, der blev suspenderet i juli 1979?
I do not know what the technical term in French is, but I hope it is coming over the earphones in the way in which I am putting it — finished.
Mit andet spørgsmål, som vil blive megt kort, drejer sig om direktivet om information og høring ,af arbejdstagere i virksomheder med kompleks, i særdeleshed multinational, struktur.
Nonetheless, the currencies continue to exist and Parliament made it clear, or at any rate a great number of parliamentarians made it clear, that their objection had not been to making the payments to the United Kingdom and Germany, their objection had been to the style and manner of those payments.
Har Kommissionen på baggrund af, at nogle fagorganisationer har anset Kommissionens oprindelige forslag for stort set berøvet sit element af reform ved de ændringsforslag, Europa-Parlamentet har vedtaget, på ny hørt de store europæiske fagorganisationer, og har den i givet fald taget hensyn til deres reaktioner ved udarbejdelsen af den tekst, den har forelagt for Rådet?
They felt that the Council had not in its decision taken sufficient account of wider Community interests and of the development of policies and, of course, the desire of parliamentarians
Jeg sagde til hr. Bangemann, at jeg var af den opfattelse, at det under de meget usædvanlige omstændigheder, som var opstået som følge af tillægsbudgettets, forkastelse var meget vigtigt, at Kommissionen gjorde alt, hvad der stod i dens magt, for at der blev størst mulig transparens i vore aktiviteter. Og det er min overbevisning, hr. formand, og Kommissionens overbevisning, at denne fremgangsmåde med at oprette helt normale kommissionskonti er den bedste metode til at opnå den størst mulig transparens, som bl.a sætter Parlamentet i stand til at holde så skarp kontrol som muligt med Kommissionens finansielle aktiviteter.
Given, however, that a supposed precautionary measure taken by the Commission in opening the two accounts we are now talking about, prior to eventual approval of the repayments envisaged in the supplementary budget, can give rise to such a degree of public disquiet as to cause a belief that the sums in question have already been transferred to special accounts in both countries and have in all probability been made available to the respective authorities then this is all the more reason for an immediate clarification as to whether such sums are, either directly or indirectly at the disposition of the two countries in question as of now.
Derfor var jeg glad for via denne ret usædvanlige fremgangsmåde at kunne besvare det spørgsmål, som hr. Notenboom havde stillet, ved først mulige lejlighed på plenarmødet — hvilket jeg har
I can only concur with colleague Bangemann in insisting that neither Member State should have access, of whatever kind, to the sums which have been transferred to these two accounts by the Commission.
Hr. formand, det var de to spørgsmål, korte, men præcise, som jeg gerne ville stille kommissionen.
This must be absolutely unambiguous for, Commissioner, the statement you have just made to the House contained a passage which could give
Boyes (S). — (FN) Hr. kommissær, jeg vil tale om direktiv nr. 81/363 om skibsbygning.
cause for ambiguity and create the impression that such accounts conferred benefits of one kind or another on the two Member States in question as of
På grund af den korte tid, der er forløbet, kan jeg i øjeblikket ikke give yderligere konkrete oplysninger.
As for the rest, we shall be dealing with it at our forth coming Committee on Budgets meeting.
Kommissæren vil vide, at jeg repræsenterer det område i Storbritannien, der uafbrudt har haft den største arbejdsløshedsprocent, og kommissæren vil også vide, at de britiske værfter for tiden snakker med fagforeningerne om muligheden af yderligere 2 000 afskedigelser i skibsbygningsindustrien.
President. — I should like to extend a hearty welcome to the delegation from the Austrian Parliament who have taken their seats in the official gallery.
Og selv om det er et meget højt tal, er det langtfra det værste i valgkredsen.
They are no different in any way whatsoever from other Commission bank accounts.
Derfor, hr. kommissær, er jeg overordentlig interesseret i den erklæring, som De har så travlt med at udarbejde og drøfte, et generelt dokument om industripolitikken vedrørende skibsbygning, og det vil glæde mig, hvis De vil give mig nogle nærmere, konkrete detaljer om tidsplanen for udarbejdelsen af dette dokument.
They have been set up for the specific reasons that I outlined earlier, but they are subject to the same rules and they yield precisely the same results as the other accounts which the Commission maintains in the Member States.
FORSÆDE: PATRICK LALOR Næstformand
5.Action taken by the Commission on the opinions of Parliament (continuation)
Ewing (DEP). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg vil bede Kommissionen finde punkt 7 i afsnit C i sit doku ment.
Mr Chambeiron (COM). — (FR) Mr President, I have two very short questions to put to the Commission. sion.
Andriessen. — (NL) hr. formand, de problemer, det ærede medlem henviser til, har stedse Kommissionens opmærksomhed, men det er klart, at denne politik primært føres af medlemsstaterne, selv om den koordineres af Kommissionen inden for direktivets rammer.
I would like to remind them that last December they decided to grant emergency aid of 300 000 ECU to Viet Nam, a decision which I personally welcomed.
Da disse problemer har beskæftiget os i så lang tid, har Kommissionen fundet det rigtigt at opstille det notat, som det ærede medlem taler om.
Can the Commission now tell us how far the procedure for using this aid has progressed and let us know in particular when and how the aid will be made avail able to the beneficiary?
Men jeg skal gerne videregive det ærede medlems anmodning om at undersoge, på hvilken måde — f.eks. gennem et parlamentsudvalg — Parlamentet f.eks. kan holdes orienteret om sagernes gang ved udarbejdelsen af dette notat.
Can we also expect this decision to result in restoration by the Commission of food aid to Viet Nam which was suspended in July 1979?
Må jeg spørge Kommissionen, hvordan i alverden den har kunnet skrive noget sådant den 6. januar, da den norske udenrigsminister allerede havde givet meddelelse om forbud mod alt fiskeri for EF-både i norsk farvand, hvilket har ført til skrækkelige 'afsavn for fiskerflåder fra mange lande og specielt fra Hull og.
I said to Mr Bangemann that I felt that, in the very unusual set of circumstances created as a result of the rejection of the supplementary budget, it was very important that the Commission should do everything possible to ensure that there would be the maximum degree of transparency in our activities.
Grimsby i England og nordøst-fiskerflåden i Skotland? Hvordan i alverden kan Kommissionen træde frem for Parlamentet med en sådan erklæring, som synes uden reelt indhold i lyset af, hvad vi har læst i aviserne, når der allerede er besværligheder, fordi vi har en umedgørlig medlemsstat, når vi ingen aftale har, og når vi oven i købet ikke har adgang nu til norsk farvand?
And it is my belief, Mr President, and the belief of the Commission, that this procedure of setting up perfectly normal Commission accounts is the best way of achieving the maximum degree of transparency which, among its other consequences, enables Parliament to monitor as closely as possible the financial activities of the Com mission.
Alligevel skal vi høre den snak i Kirk betænkningen om, at afbrydelse af fiskeriet ved Norge skal undgås?
That is why I was pleased to be able to reply, by this rather unusual procedure, to the question tabled by Mr Notenboom at the earliest possible opportunity in the plenary session — which I have tried to do as fully as possible and, of course, which J stand ready to do in greater detail, if required, in whatever manner the Committee on Budgets thinks most suitable.
Det er afbrudt, og afsavnene er virkelig forfærdelige.
On a point of order, Mr Presi-
Enright (S). — (EN) Punkt 9 om fiskeriaftalen mellem Det europæiske Fællesskab og Folkerepublikken Guinea taler i "3. afsnit — og jeg erkender, at kommissæren måske ikke kender til de tekniske enkeltheder her, men i så fald accepterer jeg et senere svar — om, at Kommissionen går ind for, at der oprettes en selvstændig organisation, men så slutter den meget underligt med, at dette »under de nuværende omstændigheder ikke forekommer muligt«.
My second concise question relates to the directive on the information and consultation of workers in under takings with a complex structure, in particular transnational undertakings.