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Det ærede medlem kan være overbevist om, at vi også på dette punkt fortsat med stor opmærksomhed følger situationen i Pakistan.
The honour­able Member may rest assured that we shall continue to keep a close watch on this aspect of the situation in Pakistan.
EF — konvention om menneskerettigheder (fortsættelse)
EEC-Convention for Human Rights (contd)
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er fort sættelse af forhandlingen om mundtlig forespørgsel med forhandling (dok.
President. — In conformity with the order of business, we now resume the debate on the oral question by Mrs Vayssade (Doc. Β 2-1623/85).
Og en række argumenter mod tiltrædelsen.
These arguments for accession were also advanced in the Council.
Før Fæl lesskabets eventuelle tiltrædelse vil det være nødvendigt med komplicerede og langvarige forhandlinger, såvel i Europa rådet inden den såkaldte genforhandling af konventionen, som på internt plan i Fællesskabet for at fastsætte Fællesskabets standpunkt, for så vidt angår de tilpasninger, der skal aftales, navnlig spørgsmålet om retsgrundlaget for en eventuel tiltrædelse. Dertil kommer, at kun en ringe del af de fundamentale rettigheder, som konventionen beskytter, ifølge modstanderne falder ind under Fællesskabets kompetence.
Now a number of arguments against accession. Accession by the Community would have to be preceded by compli­cated and lengthy discussions, both at the level of the Council of Europe, on what is known as the renego­tiation of the Convention, and internally, within the Community, to determine the Community's position on necessary adjustments and particularly on the legal basis for possible accession.
Van den Broek, formand for Rådet. — (NL) Hr. for mand, den europæiske konvention til beskyttelse af menneskerettigheder og grundlæggende frihedsrettigheder og arbejdet i forbindelse med gennemførelsen heraf udført af Den europæiske Menneskerettighedskommission samt af Europarådets og af Den euro pæiske Menneskerettighedsdomstols ministerkomité, har, så vidt vi kan skønne, bidraget meget væsentligt til overholdelsen af de fundamentale rettigheder i de 21 stater, som har tiltrådt denne konvention.
Mr Van den Broek, President-in-Office of the Council. — (NL) Mr President, the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and the activities undertaken by the Euro­pean Commission of Human Rights in connection with its application and by the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe and of the European Court of Human Rights have, in our opinion, made an extremely important contribution to ensuring respect for fundamental rights in the 21 countries which have ratified this Convention.
For så vidt menneskerettighedskonventionen i øvrigt er relevant i forbindelse med udøvelse af Fælleskabets kompetence, udgør den allerede en materiel del af det retsgrundlag, som Fællesskabernes Domstol baserer sig på.
Furthermore, insofar as the Human Rights Conven­tion is relevant to the exercise of the Community's powers, the Convention already forms a material part of the statutory sources on which the Court of Justice of the European Communities bases its deliberations.
I den såkaldte Hauer-dom af 13. de cember 1979 har Domstolen givet udtryk for, at de fundamentale rettigheder udgør en integreret del af de generelle retsprincipper, som Domstolen garanterer overholdelsen af, hvilket indebærer, at Domstolen ved beskyttelsen af disse rettigheder bør tage ud gangspunkt i de konstitutionelle traditioner, som er fælles for medlemsstaterne, og som også genspejles i den europæiske konvention til beskyttelse af menneskerettigheder og grundlæggende frihedsrettigheder.
In the Hauer judgment of 13 December 1979 the Court stated, after all, that fundamental rights form an integral part of the general legal principles whose res­pect is ensured by the Court and added that, in pro­tecting these rights, the Court should be guided by the constitutional traditions which are common to the Member States and are also reflected in the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms.
Denne teknik med beskyttelse gennem retsplejen udgør således ingen svaghed sammenlignet med den situation, som ville opstå efter en eventuel tiltrædelse. se.
This method of protection by jurisdiction is thus no less efficient that the situation which would follow accession to the Convention.
I det memorandum, som Kommissionen har sendt Rådet med skrivelse af 3. maj 1979, bemærker den, at Fællesskabet, som følge af at der på EF-plan er gen nemført forskellige bestemmelser i ordets videste for stand, får stadig flere direkte retsforbindelser med private.
In its memorandum forwarded to the Council by letter of 3 May 1979, the Commission pointed out that, through the adoption at Community level of various precepts in the widest sense of the term, the Com­munity was increasingly coming into direct contact with private individuals in the legal sphere.
Kommissionen anser det derfor ikke for mærkeligt, at der nu stilles krav om, at de beføjelser, som er tildelt Fællesskabet, får en slags modvægt ved, at Fællesskabet udtrykkeligt skriver under på klart definerede fundamentale rettigheder.
According to the Commission, it was not therefore surprising that there should now be a demand for the powers assigned
Endelig endnu et argument mod tiltrædelsen.
To conclude, I will quote one more argument against accession.
Van den Broek lighed for appel ved de gennem konventionen oprettede instanser.
Van den Broek said for certain that accession would result in a genuine improvement in the protection which the legal system at present affords to private individuals because accession would extend the deadline for appeals, since an appeal to the Court of Justice would be joined by the various possibilities of appealing to the bodies set up under the Convention.
Kort sagt, hr. formand, ud over de nævnte fordele er der også en række ulemper.
In short, Mr President, accession has a number of disadvantages as well as the advantages I have mentioned.
Det er faktisk en opgave for Kommissionen i forbindelse med ethvert initiativ, som den synes er ønskeligt, at tage hensyn til argumenterne for og imod og derefter af stille nærmere forslag herom til Rådet.
The Commission in fact has a duty to take account of the arguments for and against any initiative it considers desirable and then to submit more detailed proposals to the Council.
Klepsch (PPE). — (DE) Mine damer og herrer, jeg finder det meget beklageligt, at dette forslag på ny foreligger, da det nemlig hed, da det sidst blev be grundet, at det kun drejede sig om at undersøge visse oplysninger.
Mr Klepsch (PPE). — (DE) Ladies and gentlemen, I find it most regrettable that we have this motion before us again, for when it was justified the last time, we were told it was merely a question of evaluating certain information.
I mellemtiden har der været tid nok til at undersøge oplysningerne, og overhovedet ingen nye synspunkter.
In the meantime, there has been time enough to evaluate the information and no new aspects have emerged at all.
Min gruppe er derfor af der opfattelse, at vi i dag omsider bør stemme om Muhlenbetænkningen, især da Kommissionen stadig anser det for nødvendigt at træffe en afgørelse i dette spørgsmål.
That is why my group believes that we should at last vote on the Mühlen report today, since the Commission still considers it necessary to take a decision on this question.
FORSÆDE: SIEGBERT ALBER
(Applause from the centre and right)
Forhandlingen om dette punkt vil blive genoptaget umiddelbart efter afstemningen.
The debate on this item will be resumed immediately after voting-time.
Dame Shelagh Roberts (ED), formand for udvalget om eksterne økonomiske forbindelser. — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg vil gerne udtale mig som formand for udvalget om eksterne økonomiske forbindelser.
Dame Shelagh Roberts (ED), Chairman of the Committee on External Economic Relations. — Mr President, I would like to give a view as chairman of the Committee on External and Economic Relations.
Jeg mener, at der ikke er noget som helst formål med at henvise denne betænkning til fornyet udvalgsbehandling.
I consider that there is no purpose whatever in referring this report back to the committee.
Det er kun en forhalingstaktik, og tilmed en vanærende forhalingstaktik.
That is only a delaying tactic, and a disreputable delaying tactic at that.
A2213/85) af Mühlen for udvalget om eksterne økonomiske forbindelser om forslag fra Kommissionen til Rådet (dok. C2-68/85 -5434/1/85) til forordning om indgåelse af en aftale om handelsmæssigt og økonomisk samarbejde samt udviklingssamarbejde mellem Det europæiske økonomiske Fællesskab og Den islamiske republik Pakistan stan
C 2-68/85 -5434/1/85) for a regulation on the conclusion of the agreement for commercial, economic and development cooperation between the European Economic Community and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan (Doc. A 2-213/85)
Udvalget har behandlet dette spørgsmål tilbundsgående.
The committee has considered this matter fully.
Under sidste mødeperiode blev det foreslået, at det blev taget af dagsordenen, så udvalget kunne høre kommissær Cheyssons synspunkter.
At the last part-session, it was suggested that it be taken off the agenda so that the committee could hear the views of Commissioner Cheysson.
Udvalget hørte kommissær Cheyssons synspunkter på det sene ste møde og traf ikke beslutning om at forelægge yderligere forslag for Parlamentet.
The committee heard the views of Mr Cheysson at our last meeting and took no decision to put any further recommendations to this House.
Parlamentet har her i formiddag hørt kommissær Cheysson og kender således hans synspunkter og Rådets synspunkter.
Parliament has heard Mr Cheysson this morning, so it knows his views and the views of the Council of Ministers.
Seeler (S). — (DE) Hr. formand, på min gruppes vegne foreslår jeg i henhold til artikel 85, stk. 1, i forretningsordenen, at denne betænkning af Mühlen henvises til fornyet udvalgsbehandling.
Mr Seeler (S). — (DE) Mr President, on behalf of my group I hereby move pursuant to Rule 85(1) of the Rules of Procedure that this report by Mr Mühlen be referred back to committee.
Rådsrepræsentantens svar på spørgsmålene har ret klart vist, at det er nødvendigt med en frist til at følge udviklingen i Pakistan, inden Parlamentet kan behandle denne samarbejdsaftale færdig.
The President of the Council's answer to the questions has shown pretty plainly that we need time to observe developments in Pakistan before Parliament can take a definitive decision on this cooperation agreement.
I henhold til artikel 85, stk. 4, foreslår jeg altså, at udvalget på ny forelægger betænkningen for Parlamentet inden seks måneder.
Pursuant to Rule 85(4) I therefore move that the committee should resubmit the report to the plenary in six months time.
Hvad angår udvalget om eksterne økonomiske for bindelser, har vi taget vor del af ansvaret. Vi har udarbejdet en betænkning om dette forslag.
As far as the Committee on External Economic Rela tions is concerned, we have discharged our responsibility.
Det er nu op til Parlamentet at tage sin del af ansvaret ved at vedtage en betænkning.
It is now up to Parliament to discharge its responsibility by adopting a report.
Uanset om betænkningen er positiv eller negativ over for Kommissionens forslag, mener jeg, at tiden nu er inde til, at Parlamentet tager sin del af ansvaret.
Whether the report is favourable or unfavourable to the Commission's proposals, I con sider that now is the time when Parliament should discharge its responsibilities.
Vi har denne beføjelse og vi har denne forpligtelse.
We have this power and we have this duty.
Det er til ingen nytte, at Parlamentet siger, at vi bør have flere beføjelser, og at folk bør lægge mere mærke til os, hvis vi, når vi virkelig har beføjelser, misbruger dem.
It is no use Parliament saying that we should have more powers and that people should take more notice of us if, when we do have powers, we abuse them.
Tiden er inde til, hr. for mand, at Parlamentet træffer en beslutning.
The time has come, Mr President, for Parliament to take a decision.
(Bifald fra højre) (Forslaget forkastedes)
(Applause from the right)
Prag (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg ville egentlig gerne afgive min stemmeforklaring skriftligt, men dette er et alt for vigtigt spørgsmål til ikke at sige, hvad denne gruppe mener.
Mr Prag (ED). — Mr President, I would like to give my explanation in writing, but this is too important a matter to fail to say what this group thinks.
For det første har der været en positiv udvikling i Pakistan — ophævelse af den militære undtagelsestilstand, af brugen af militærdomstole, af nødretstilstanden og en tilbagevenden til pluralisme.
First of all, there have been positive developments in Pakistan — the lifting of martial law, the ending of the use of military courts, the ending of the state of emergency and a return to pluralism.
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Human rights cannot be the only criterion in the Community's policy in this field.
Hindley (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, jeg mener, at det er meget vigtigt, at vi får mere tid til at behandle dette spørgsmål.
Mr Alavanos (COM). — (GR) Mr President, the European Members of the Greek Communist Party will vote against the Mühlen report, particularly after the rejection of the Socialist Group's amendments.
Nøglen til denne betænkning er, hvorvidt Pakistan gør væsentlige fremskridt mod de mokrati.
Mr Boesmans (S), in writing. — (NL) I shall be voting against this report, because I am convinced that to act at the moment as though there were nothing more to be done in this country will do nothing for the development of democracy in Pakistan — on the con trary.
Vi understreger udtrykkeligt, at hvis der fo retages en sådan kvalitativ ændring i vore forbindelser med Pakistan kun to måneder efter den militære undtagelsestilstand ophævelse, giver det os ikke rigtig tid til at se, om de demokratiske spirer, som vi med glæde ser er blevet sået, også har slået rod.
From this point of view I do not think that a single Greek Member of the European Parliament, no matter of what persuasion, should vote in favour of the Mühlen report, because his vote would imply accept ance of developments in the furthering of relations between the EEC and Turkey.
Men det betyder ikke, at vi går imod en samarbejdsaftale med Pakistan.
Europe is here clearly busy falling into the trap of the United States.
Vi er også nødt til at tænke på fattigdommen i den pågældende befolkning, og i Pakistans tilfælde på den omfattende forpligtelse til at klare problemet med 3 1/4 mio afghanske flygtninge på pakistansk territorium.
Everywhere where it suits Washington strategically, an out-and-out dictatorship is replaced by a disguised dictatorship which nevertheless remains a dictatorship: El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and now Pakistan too.
Efter min og min gruppes mening er der overordentlig meget, det taler for at stemme for vedtagelsen af denne samarbejdsaftale, og det er hvad denne gruppe vil gøre.
Everyone who is devoted to human rights, and not a hypocrite with two different yardsticks, should know better — and vote against cooperation.
Rådets formand har givet en lignende positiv redegørelse.
We are aware that there are a number of fields in which we shall have to dispose of difficult legal problems.
Alavanos (COM). — (GR) Hr. formand, parlamentsmedlemmerne fra Grækenlands kommunistiske parti vil stemme imod Muhlenbetænkningen, især efter forkastelsen af den socialistiske gruppes ændringsforslag. slag.
We realize that accession by the Community to a conven­tion which was drawn up by States and for States poses a substantive problem in itself.
Ikke blot Pakistans befolkning, men også pakistanere i Storbritannien og andre fællesskabslande og i hele verden vil glæde sig over indgåelsen af denne samar bejdsaftale.
We realize that, for the Community to accede to this convention, the other parties to it — the nine other countries of the Council of Europe — will have to agree.
Jeg vil uforbeholdent stemme for den. (Forslaget til beslutning vedtoges) (')
We also real­ize that there are going to be problems of 'two-tier jurisdiction'.
EF-konvention om menneskerettigheder (fortsættelse)
EEC-Convention for Human Rights (contd)
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er fort sættelse af forhandlingen om mundtlig forespørgsel med forhandling (dok.
President. — We now continue the debate on the question by Mrs Vayssade (Doc. Β 2-1623/85).
Ud fra dette synspunkt mener jeg ikke, at der bør være noget græsk parlamentsmedlem uanset politisk gruppe, som stemmer for Muhlenbetænkningen, for di en stemme for denne indirekte også vil betyde accept af udviklingen i forbindelserne mellem EF og Tyrkiet.
At a time when we are revising the Treaty establishing the Community, when we are saying that we want to complete the internal market without delay, we must realize that this means that we shall be greatly increas­ing the number of cases in which Community citizens are directly affected by a wide range of Community measures and that Community law is going to spread beyond the areas in which it has been applicable hith­erto, and into the field of the rights of the individual in particular. It therefore seems to me that there is indeed a gap in our laws as far as the protection of human rights is concerned.
Kære kolleger, jeg har som afslutning på forhandlingen om den mundtlige forespørgsel modtaget et for slag til beslutning (dok.
Mrs Vayssade (S). — (FR) Mr President, I should like first of all to thank the President of the Council for having agreed to come before us.
B2-1692/85) af Bonino, Pannella, Ulburghs, Rigo, Cicciomessere, Guarraci og Happart om EFs tiltrædelse af konventionen om be skyttelse af menneskerettighederne og de grundlæggende frihedsrettigheder med anmodning om afstemning snarest muligt i overensstemmelse med artikel 42, stk. 5, i forretningsordenen.
I should like the Council — I trust that the President of the Council will soon rejoin us — to give us details of the present balance of forces in the Council and the chances of its changing in favour of accession, assum­ing of course that we can get the Commission to table a formal proposal for accession. I think that it would be as well if the President of the Council rejoined us as soon as possible, Mr President.
P. Beazley (ED), Skriftlig. — (EN) Jeg ønsker at oplyse Parlamentet om, hvorfor jeg glæder mig over af stemningen om ændringsforslagene til Muhlen-betænkningen, der så klart har vist, at Parlamentet går ind for beslutningen med et overvældende flertal.
I think that it would be interesting to receive this infor­mation. He concluded with words to the effect that the ball is back in the Commission's court, and I would ask him to give us an assurance that, when a formal proposal drawn up by the committee on acces­sion to the Convention for Human Rights is received, there will actually be some movement in the Council of Ministers.
(') Ordføreren udtalte sig: FOR ændringsforslag nr. 2 til 6, 8 og 9; IMOD ændringsforslag nr. 1.
The rapporteur spoke in favour of Amendments Nos 2 to 6, 8 and 9, and against Amendment No 1.
De britiske socialister og deres allierede har forsøgt at forhale denne betænkning i ca. fem måneder i udval
I formally ask you as President of the Assembly to suspend this sitting until the President of
Formanden ved kan forsvare sine borgere.
De Vries the Council has joined us.
Afgørelsen om anmodningen om afstemning snarest muligt vil blive truffet ved forhandlingens afslutning. ning.
memorandum devoted entirely to the problem in question. tion.
Jeg vil gerne fra Rådets side — og jeg håber, at råds formanden snart kommer til stede — have præcise ringer angående det nuværende styrkeforhold i Rådet og angående chancerne for en ændring af dette styrke forhold i en retning, der er positivt indstillet til tiltrædelse, selvfølgelig under den forudsætning at vi får Kommissionen til at fremsende en formel anmodning om tiltrædelse. Jeg synes, at det ville være godt, om rådsformanden snarest kom til stede, hr. formand.
I simply want to make the same point. It is quite intolerable and totally unsatisfactory that we ask detailed, specific questions on this subject, having previously asked them of the Commission last October, to find from the Commission that they are waiting for the Council to determine the matter and then for the Council to come here and say it is the Commission that is responsible for taking action.
Naturligvis er det ikke så hel digt.
I put the matter to the vote.
Jeg tror, det er et vigtigt spørgsmål, som jeg gerne vil have svar på.
Now that the President-in-Office has appeared, we can continue the debate.
de Vries (LDR). — (NL) Hr. formand, dette er politisk set en overordentlig vigtig debat.
The Convention for the Protection of Human Rights — as Scelba said in 1978 — is the only common denominator of all the democratic States in Europe, whether or not they are Member States of the Community.
Det er absolut nødvendigt, at Rådet får kendskab til de argumenter, som fremsættes her.
The Community, in fact, cannot live in this world closed up in itself, since the Community is not a tower into which we have withdrawn ourselves.
Jeg vil gerne formelt spørge Dem som formand for Parlamentet, om De vil afbryde dette møde, indtil rådsformanden personligt er til ste de.
The Community is situated in a very wide environment, and this political environment is determined both geographically and in its ideals by the conceptions of the free, pluralistic states in our hemisphere.
Dette er uværdigt for et parlament.
From this standpoint also the accession of the Community would have a strengthening effect on our institutions.
Det er uacceptabelt. tabelt.
Our project ought to be considered in a broader political context.
Jeg vil også sige til de rådsmedlemmer, som går i mod en tiltrædelse ud fra den betragtning, at arbejdet er langvarigt, og at de rejste problemer er komplekse — at deres argumenter snarere får mig til at mene, at vi straks skal gå i gang med arbejdet.
It is unfortunately a fact that, within the international organizations, the number of opinions on the concept of human rights has gone on increasing, and the differences between them have become even greater.
Hoon (S). — (EN) Hr. formand, til forretningsordenen.
Mrs Vayssade (S). — (FR) Mr President of the Council, I listened very attentively to the reply that you gave, but I found that you did not cover a number of points.
Jeg ønsker blot at sige det samme.
First, you did not say what the present balance of forces was in the Council, which States were in favour of acceding to this convention and which were not.
Det er ganske uacceptabelt og helt utilfredsstillende, at vi stiller detaljerede, specifikke spørgsmål om dette emne efter at have stillet dem til Kommissionen i oktober, for dernæst at erfare, at Kommissionen afventer Rådets afgørelse af sagen, og så siger Rådet, at det er Kom missionen, der har ansvaret for, at der sker noget. Denne forhandling er en farce i Rådets fravær.
Secondly, you claimed that the next initiative would have to come from the Commission, when you said that the ball was now in the Commission's court, finally acknowledging that you had reached a deadlock.
Vi kan ikke stille disse spørgsmål, og vi får ikke en tilfreds stillende forhandling, hvis Rådet ikke er til stede.
But is a proposal for accession drawn up by the Commission a means of breaking the deadlock in the Council?
Vi ved også, at problemer vedrørende »dobbelt retsordning« vil opstå.
And this is the crux of the problem in question.
Det forekommer mig at være en god grund til straks at gå i gang med arbejdet og forsøge, forhindring for forhindring, at se, hvilke mulige juridiske løsninger, der findes.
If that is the way things are in the international organizations, it is more than ever our duty to make it clear to the eyes of all the world that, as far as the European Community is concerned, the only con ception of human rights that is valid and binding is that which considers the fundamental rights and free doms of the individual as the expression of his dignity.
Da rådsformanden nu er kommet, fortsætter vi for handlingen.
We shall soon be celebrating the seventh anniversary of the Commission's memorandum.