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Vi er ikke villige til at medvirke dertil.
We are not prepared to have a hand in such a practice.
men.dette selskab havde det igangsættermod at sige: vi forsøger det, vi indsætter et lille fly — de store selskaber har ikke mere sådan nogle små fly — og se: ruten fungerede!
ignore, tomorrow. We have seen too many examples of people who have moved into industry — especially into the transport industry — made their money very quickly by providing a cheap service and then disappeared, letting the service rot, the consumer being left with no resources available to him.
Den havde imidlertid kun en halv andet års tilladelse. Da ruten fungerede, fratog man den tilladelsen, og Swissair befløj ruten i en periode; så mistede de interessen for det, og det var igen slut. Det er problemet!
In reality what you want is to deny a transport service to the consumer.
Derfor skal man holde de berettigede argumenter, der sikkert har betydning på transportområdet, ude fra hinanden.
To proceed in this way does not appear to come easily to some of our British colleagues.
Man kan ikke blot sige — som amerikanerne har gjort: konkurrer nu pænt — for at ændre lidt på et berømt ord fra en af vore forbundspræsidenter — så er alt i den fineste orden. Det er sikkert ikke muligt, men at ville forhindre konkurrencen med let gennemskuelige påskud — og valutasituationen er efter min mening et påskud — det kan jeg ikke acceptere.
The fanaticism inherent in my good friend Moorhouse's approach — as evidenced in his incarnation of the Archangel Michael, complete with flaming sword in order to cast into outer darkness all who, while calling for competition, wish to see this taking place in an orderly fashion — shows just how easily we can fall into the danger of losing sight of the realistic stance the Community ought to adopt, because we think that, like the United States, we have a large integrated market.
Jeg ved, hvor meget arbejde frk. Forster har lagt i udarbejdelsen af denne betænkning, men jeg tror, at hvis hun havde været lidt mere kompromisvillig, lidt mere rede til samarbejde, ville vi sikkert ikke have haft så mange ændringsforslag, men havde ligesom tidligere ved betænkningen om den europæiske lufttransport kunnet opnå et meget stort fienai i Parlamentet.
However, my real criticism and my real questions are directed to the Commission. What I really want from them today is a clear statement setting out the exact status of the existing directive on air tariffs and how this relates to the memorandum which they have told us they will produce in November.
Det synes imidlertid ikke helt at passe nogle britiske kolleger, for den fanatisme, som hr. Moorhouse som ærkeenglen Mikael med flammesværdet netop har arbejdet sig op til for at fordømme alle dem, der ganske vist ønsker konkurrence, men konkurrence på ordnede betingelser, viser, at vi meget let udsætter os for den fare, at vi taber de virkelige standpunkter af syne, som vi skal indtage i Fælles skabet, fordi vi tror, at vi har et fælles stort marked som f.eks.
I want it on four specific points — how the directive will be related to this memorandum, their attitude on country of origin, their position on pricing and zones, and finally, whether they will allow us, the Community and the existing industry to continue with the multilateralism which has been so successful in the past.
Hvis vi kom til denne rigtige drøftelse, ville vi virkelig yde et bidrag til et bedre luftfartssystem i Europa.
But what we really want is for the Commission to tell us today what they are proposing to suggest in their memorandum in two or three weeks' time.
Men vi har endnu ingen fælles valuta.
We have, however, yet to achieve a common currency.
I Storbritannien betales flybilletten stadig med pund, i Tyskland med DM, i Frankrig med francs osv. Alene det resulterer i en mængde uretfærdigheder, forskellige omkostninger, som vi ganske enkelt ikke kan sætte ud af kraft med det store ord liberalisering.
An air ticket in Great Britain is still priced and paid for in pounds sterling, in the Federal Republic of Germany in Deutschmarks, in France in French francs and so on. This aspect alone is responsible for a wealth of injustices and cost differentials whose elimination will require more than just the magic word 'deregulation'.
Vi skal altså tilvejebringe fornuftige rammebetingelser. Det har min gruppe gjort med at stille sine ændringsforslag.
We must therefore set about creating a judicious set of preconditions.
Hvis vi er i stand til sammen at vedtage disse ændringsforslag, er jeg overbevist om, at Deres betænkning, frk. Forster, finder det store flertal, som De også fortjener.
If we can work together to ensure their adoption, I feel I would be in an position to guarantee Miss Forster's report the large majority she would then have deserved.
Alavanos (COM). — (GR) Hr. formand, vi accepterer, at der eksisterer et problem med de høje ruteflyvningstariffer for arbejdstagere og forbrugere.
Mr K. H. Hoffmann (PPE). — (DE) Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, in a resolution on Community air transport adopted in 1981 the European Parliament set out clearly the preconditions necessary for the liberalization of the air transport sector in the Community.
Men vi er uenige i den centrale tanke i Kommissionens forslag til direktiv og i vor frk. Forsters betænkning, som under påskud af interesse for forbrugerne giver udtryk for private interesser og angriber de nationale flyselskaber.
If we have not yet been deflected from our conviction that a degree of deregulation is also necessary in the air transport sector, it is largely due to our sharing the beliefs of our worthy rapporteur Miss Forster and my good friend James Moorhouse that something has to be done for the flying public in the Community.
Vi tror ikke, at ruteflyvningstarifproblemet, navnlig for vort land, men også mere gene relt, kan imødegås med privatøkonomiske kriterier, men med samfundsmæssige og nationale kriterier.
Such a commitment in the form of cheaper fares does not mean, however, that we are prepared to throw out the baby with the bathwater by eliminating those carriers who not only fulfil their transport commitment in the Community but at the same time manage to do so at a profit, in the absence of the preconditions I have
Bangemann (L). — (DE) Hr. formand, jeg tror, at en række argumenter her snarere har tilsløret end klar lagt en problematik.
Mr Bangemann (L). — (DE) Mr President, it is my belief that some of the arguments advanced have clouded, rather than clarified, this problem.
For det første: ingen kan gøre konkurrence til en fetich.
To begin with, no one can make competition a fetish.
Der er betingelser, der skal overholdes.
There are conditions which have to be complied with.
Der er sikkert også fra det offentliges side et behov for, at der fastlægges regler for be stemte konkurrenceelementer.
There are certainly also public service factors that require the regulation of certain aspects of competition.
Min gruppe vil langtfra stille sig op her og sige: Når vi har indført konkurrencen, bringes alt i orden. Men også i den nuværende situation er der en række problemer, og jeg mener, at kollegaen fra Sheffield eller Leeds — jeg beder ham undskylde — gik uden om disse problemer.
We in the Liberal and Democratic Group do not in any way consider the introduction of competition as some kind of panacea.
At tænke nærmere over det ville kunne betale sig ikke blot for Skotland, men også for en række andre flyvepladser; jeg kan nævne nogle eksempler for Dem: vi har f.eks. en lille flyrute, der forbandt Münster/Osnabrück med Zürich. Ingen interesserede sig for det, ingen af de store flyselskaber — hverken Lufthansa eller Swissair— tog det på deres program;
In fixing my gaze on the chairman of the Committee on Transport, I have to say that there is not the shadow of a doubt that the current practice favoured by the large national carriers, both on tariffs and availability and choice of destinations, has operated to the detriment of precisely those small regional airports.
Må jeg også udtrykke min yderste utilfredshed med en uheldig vending i artikel 3, som Kommissionen anser for at være forslagets kerne.
International flight tariffs can still be defined within the framework of IATA and in accordance with the principle of unanimity.
Jeg tænker på et krav om, at tarifferne skal stå i et rimeligt forhold til luftfartsselskabets omkostninger, under forudsætning af at dets hovedsæde er placeret i oprindelseslandet for tariffen.
We disagree entirely with the attempt to establish a Community authority in the sector of air transport, and in good faith we would like to draw the Greek Commissioner's attention, in particular, to the enormous dangers that this would create for Olympic Airways, the Greek national airline : firstly, from the possibility that Articles 85 and 86 of the Treaty might be applied to air transport ; secondly, from the problems arising in the relationship between the State and a national airline and thirdly, from the efforts made to abide by the principles of competition even in relation to flights to provincial airports.
Det er en yderst uhåndterlig bestemmelse, der modarbejder Fællesskabets åbent udtalte hensigt om at forenkle og fremskynde godkendelsen af tarifferne.
For these reasons we shall vote against the Forster report, but I would like the Commissioner to give a great deal of thought to the problems that might be created for Olympic Airways, our national airline.
Afslutningsvis vil jeg gerne resumere det, jeg sagde under sidste forhandling.
Both for Scottish and a variety of other regional airports it is worth pondering this.
Der er intet indlysende behov for indgriben fra Kommissionen i tariffastsættelsessystemet.
I can provide examples : in the Federal Republic a small airline commenced flights between Münster/Osnabrück and Zürich.
Både Kommissionen og de europæiske regeringer har erklært, at generelt står tariffer og omkostninger i et rimeligt forhold.
No one showed an interest in providing such a service, and neither of the two major airlines, Lufthansa and Swissair, was prepared to include it among its scheduled flights.
Den nuværende struktur er efter min mening fleksibel nok til at imødekomme nye tarifinitiativer, samtidig med at den bevarer regeringskontrol, der er så væsentlig for en offentlig tjenesteydelse som lufttransport, og også beskytter alle medlemsstaternes rettigheder.
The small airline in question, however, had sufficient entrepreneurial courage to see the opening for flights operated by the type of light aircraft long ago abandoned by the major airlines.
Jeg må derfor stemme imod denne betænkning.
Lo and behold, the service proved to be viable.
Da jeg talte i Parlamentet i december 1982 om hendes første betænkning, gav jeg udtryk for beklagelse over, at jeg ikke fandt det muligt at støtte betænkningen.
When the service turned out to be viable after all, the small airline's authorization was not renewed and Swissair jumped in and ran the service for some time.
Ved denne lejlighed må jeg sige, at trods nogle betydelige ændringer og modifikationer i hendes betænkning er jeg stadig tvunget til at stemme imod betænkningen.
That is the problem ! That is why we must identify those arguments which are justifiable and carry weight in the transport sphere.
Contogeorgis, medlem af Kommissionen. — (GR) For det første vil jeg gerne takke frk. Forster för hendes udmærkede betænkning og også økonomi- og valutaudvalget med dets ændringsforslag.
We cannot simply say like the Americans, 'Now go off and compete nicely with one another' — to adapt a famous saying by a former President of the Federal Republic — and then sit back and feel that all will be well.
Desuden vil jeg også gerne, uden at det skal betragtes som flertydighed, udtrykke min tak til transportudvalget og dets ordfører, hr. Key, for deres udtalelse.
That is certainly not possible, but I cannot, for all that, subscribe to threadbare pretexts — and the monetary situation is, in my opinion, one such pretext — for restricting competition. tion.
Opretholdelsen og beskyttelsen af disse vitale luftforbindelser er i høj grad afhængig af, at vort eget nationale luftfartsselskab — Air Lingus — drives under den nuværende struktur.
Mr O'Donnell (PPE). — Mr President, at the outset I wish to congratulate Miss Forster very sincerely on the immense amount of work she has put into the preparation of this report and also a previous report over a long period of time.
Trafikken mellem Irland og disse meget vigtige britiske centre afhænger nu af vort eget nationale luftfartsselskab.
When I spoke in this House in December 1982 on her first report, I expressed regret that I could not find it possible to support the report.
Ikke desto mindre er det, som jeg sagde, kun rimeligt, at frk. Forster påskønnes for i betydelig grad at have forbedret nogle af elementerne i sin oprindelige betænkning.
On this occasion I must say that despite the fact that there are some significant changes and modifications in her report, I still am forced to vote against the report.
Hun har foretaget adskillige betydningsfulde ændringer i det dokument, der fulgte af forhand lingen dengang. Nogle af disse ændringer er et skridt i den rigtige retning, og jeg takker hende og udvalget oprigtigt for dem.
In conclusion I should like to say that, in the light of this debate and the amendments tabled, we should take a good look at what should be permitted in the way of competition, with a view to eliminating one imbalance that obtains in the Community at present, namely, that which affects the small, disadvantaged regional airports.
Jeg tænker især på ændringen i præamblet, der fjerner de restriktive betingelser vedrørende samråd mellem luftfartsselskaberne.
This must be remedied in an orderly fashion if chaos is to be avoided.
Omtalen af de direkte driftsomkostninger i artikel 3, stk. Ib, skal også roses.
That is what I perceive as the real debate, not competition at any price or rules that exist only in the planners' pipedreams.
Denne ændring fjerner en af de indvendinger, vi havde mod Kommissionens oprindelige forslag.
If we could address ourselves to this real debate, we could make a worthwhile contribution towards an improved European air transport system.
Vi gør os imidlertid bekymringer over andre foreslåede ændringer. Jeg tænker især på artikel 6, der vedrører uoverensstemmelser og voldgift.
Mr Alavanos (COM). — (GR) Mr President, we accept that there is a problem for working people and consumers in connection with high air tariffs.
Forslaget fra økonomi- og valutaudvalget er, at en tarif, som to stater er uenige om, automatisk skal træde i kraft i mangel af en afgørelse fra det foreslåede rådgivende udvalg. Denne bestemmelse går efter min mening alt for vidt.
However, we disagree with the central notion of the Commission's directive and the report of our colleague Miss Forster, which, in the guise of concern for the consumer, expresses the interests of the private sector and attacks the national State airlines.
Jeg må også sige, at jeg er meget lidt glad for hele spørgsmålet om tvungen voldgift, der er indeholdt i artikel 6, hvorefter enhver af de stridende parter kan tvinge den anden til voldgiftsbordet.
We believe that the problem of air tariffs, particularly for our own country but more generally as well, cannot be dealt with by the economic criteria of the private sector but by social and national criteria.
I de to år, der er gået, siden de to forslag blev fremsat, har der fundet mange drøftelser sted herom i Parlamentet og i andre fællesskabsorganer.
In fact, only this morning I learned of a decision by two British carriers operating into Dublin to terminate their services, one between Liverpool and Dublin, the other between Leeds and Dublin, as from 1 November.
Især ét punkt, som indeholdes i frk. Forsters betænkning, blev fremhævet.
Services between Ireland and those very important UK centres now depend on our own national carrier.
Det nævnes i beslutningsforslaget og i de afsluttende bemærk ninger, at forslaget til direktiv om ruteflyvningstariffer ikke kan stå alene, men bør indsættes i lufttransportpolitikkens bredere ramme.
Nevertheless, as I said, it is only fair that credit be given to Miss Forster for the fact that she has improved considerably some aspects of her original report.
Kommissionen accepterer, at denne indstilling har sin betydning.
She has made several significant changes to the document which resulted from our debate at that time.
Imidlertid udarbejder vi, som det er velkendt, et kommissionsmemorandum til Rådet om civilluftfartspolitikken, som vil dække de grundemner, frk. Forster berører.
Some of these changes represent a move in the right direction, and I sincerely congratulate her and her committee on them.
Dette memorandum vil supplere et forudgående kommisionsmemorandum af 1979 og vil behandle ruteflyvningstarifproblemet inden for den europæiske lufttransports funktionssystems mere generelle ramme.
I am thinking particularly of the change to the recital which removes the restrictive conditions
Det memorandum, vi arbejder med, er endnu ikke fuldført, og derfor vil Kommissionen under den endelige udformning tage hensyn til Parlamentets synspunkter om de ting, hr. Key berørte.
We believe that, for our country at least, the problem of air tariffs can be met by rational organization of the
Bekendelsen til konkurrence, Kommissionens selvpålagte forpligtelse til opretholdelse af en ufordrejet konkurrence er stærkere understreget end i de tidligere beretninger.
The suggestion from the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs is that a fare over which two States are quarrelling should come into force automatically in the absence of a deci sion by the proposed advisory committee.
Det klare sprog, de entydige udtalelser fra Kommissionen må støttes fuldt ud.
This provision, in my opinion, goes much too far.
Men det betyder ikke, at Kommissionen dermed bøjer sig og tager det forslag til direktiv, vi forhandler om, tilbage.
alone, but should be included in the broader frame work of a policy on air transport.
Men de tanker, som dialogen i Parlamentet har fremkaldt, klarlæger nogle problemer for Kommissionen, og vi håber, at når vort memorandum om lufttransportpolitikken er fuldført, som jeg formoder det vil være ved årets slutning eller i begyndelsen af næste år, vil vi være i stand til måske i bilag at medtage ændringer af det foreliggende forslag til direktiv. Selvfølgelig vil mange af disse ændringer som grundlag have ændringer, som Parlamentet foreslår, og som jeg ikke kan definere nøjagtigt på nuværende tidspunkt.
The Commission accepts that this view has its merits. Indeed, as is known, we are drawing up a memorandum from the Commission to the Council concerning policy in the civil airways sector which will cover the basic subjects touched upon by Miss Forster.
I andre tilfælde besluttede vi, at vi ved at indsætte direktivet om ruteflyvningstariffer i den bredere ramme, som frk. Forster gik ind for, kunne se sagen under en anden synsvinkel.
The memorandum on which we are working has not yet been completed, and the Commission will therefore take Parliament's views concerning the matters raised by Mr Key into account when the memorandum is final ized.
Jeg håber, at forsamlingen vil forstå, at vi i disse tilfælde ikke nødvendigvis kan acceptere ændringerne, nøjagtig som de foreslås, men jeg kan forsikre Dem om, at vi på en eller anden måde vil lade deres fundamentale idé indgå i denne politiks mere generelle ramme.
When the memorandum is submitted to the Council, the Commission proposes to recommend that the Council ask Parliament for its opinion, so that Parliament may have the opportunity to express its views — and this despite the fact that the Commission's proposals will be based on Article 84 (2) of the Treaty.
Hr. formand, sagen om ruteflyvningstariffer har stor politisk betydning, og der findes mange opfattelser herom.
Finally, may I summarize what I said on the occasion of the last debate.
Problemet er vanskeligt og mangeartet.
There is no apparent need for Commission intervention in the fare-setting machinery.
Vort mål vil være at opnå resultater uden at miste de ubestridelige fordele, som det nuværende system har haft hidtil.
Both Commission and European govern ments have declared that in general fares and costs are in reasonable relationship.
Vi vil gå frem med grad vise ændringer, og vi vil undgå bratte brud. Parlamentets udtalelse om denne sag vil være af stor værdi, og jeg håber, at vi vil være i stand til i det memorandum, vi forbereder, at indføje resultaterne af disse forhand linger i så stort et omfang, som det er os muligt.
The present structure is, in my opinion, flexible enough to cater for new fare initiatives, while at the same time preserving the control by government which is so essential to a public service entity like air transport and also preserving the rights of all Member States.
Vi har ofte i Parlamentet diskuteret subventioner, der har ført til betydelige konkurrencefordrejninger i Det europæiske Fællesskab.
Now, what I have said does not mean that the Commission is inclined to withdraw the proposed regulation we are debating.
Endnu en gang skal der erindres om, at subventioner i mange tilfælde har ført til, at brancher, der ikke eller ikke i tilstrækkelig grad var udsat for konkurrence ikke mere er konkurencedygtige på verdensmarkedet.
However, the thoughts inspired by this parliamentary debate have clarified certain problems for the Commission, and we hope that when our memorandum on air transport policy is completed, as I hope it will be towards the end of this year or the beginning of the next, we will be in a posi tion to include, perhaps in an appendix, amendments to the proposed regulation in question.
Subventioner har førhen skadet virksomhedernes beslutningsevne, ydeevne og erhvervslivets risikovillighed — centrale elementer i det markedsøkonomiske system.
Many of these amendments are sure to be based on amendments put forward by Parliament, which, of course, I cannot specify in detail now.
De vil også fremover hindre virksomhedernes tilpasningsevne og den markedsøkonomiske styringsmekanisme.
In other cases we have become aware that, by embodying the regulation on tariffs within the broader framework recommended by Miss Forster, we might come to view the matter in a different light.
Sammen med Kommissionen skal vi endnu mere beslutsomt end hidtil sætte en stopper for subventionsuvæsenet i Europa, hvis vi ikke vil løbe den risiko ikke mere at være konkurrencedygtig i mange brancher.
I hope the House will understand that in such cases we may not necessarily accept the amendments exactly as they stand, but I assure you that, one way or another, we shall embody their basic thinking within the more general framework of this policy.
Selvfølgelig findes der nødvendige subventioner, men de skal være fuldstændig transparente og strengt tidsbegrænset.
In addition, without this being considered contradictory, I would also like to thank the Transport Committee and its rapporteur Mr Key for their comments.
Vi bør hele tiden holde os for øje, hvor mange arbejdspladser i Europa der gennem subventioner ikke, som man håbede, er blevet opretholdt, men derimod ødelagt.
The Commission's two proposals, i.e. the one we are now debating concerning air tariffs, submitted in the autumn of 1981, and the other on the timing of the application of the competition rules to air transport, cover two important aspects of the policy on air transport.
Jeg er meget glad for, at vi også her er enige med Kommissionen.
In the two years that have passed since the two proposals were submitted they have been debated many times, both in Parliament and in other bodies of the Community.
Formanden. — Næste punkt på dagsordenen er betænkning (dok.
More particularly, a point was stressed that is also contained in Miss Forster's report.
1-801/83) af Franz for økonomiog valutaudvalget om tolvte beretning fra Kommissionen om konkurrencepolitikken (dok. 1-253/73).
It is mentioned in the resolution and the concluding comments that the proposal for the regulation on air tariffs cannot stand