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Ulburgs (NI). — (NL) I hvor høj grad giver det pågældende direktiv arbejdstagerne fyldestgørende
Mr Barry. — I did not say that it did not fall within the competence of the Council, even though it does
Barry nationale regeringer, men først efter, at de har svaret officielt på Ministerrådets vegne.
will be reached by a majority vote, if necessary, so that this important proposal may finally become Community legislation in the interests of the workers.
gende ikke ligger inden for Fællesskabets kompetence.
Mr Pannella (NI). — (FR) Is the Council familiar with the facts of the matter?
Men må jeg nu have lov at udtale mig i min egen skab af irsk udenrigsminister?
Contrary to what Mr Selva has just alleged, France has never granted asylum to Mr Negri.
Til endnu et tillægsspørgsmål har jeg navnene på to medlemmer af den socialistiske gruppe, begge fra Det forenede Kongerige, fru Crawley og hr. Hume, og jeg må bede dem om selv at beslutte, hvem af dem der skal stille tillægsspørgsmålet.
Mr Barry. — Even though it would be the wish of the Irish Presidency that it should be dealt with, I do not think that I can give a categoric assurance that that will be the case. It is coming up in the Social Affairs Council about mid-December.
Crawley (S). — (EN) Først vil jeg sige, at mange af os, herunder hr. Hume, hr. Balfe og mig selv, er meget tilfredse med svaret fra Den irske Republiks uden rigsminister.
Mr Barry. — I do not think I have anything to add to my previous reply.
(Afbrydelse)
President. — I call Question No 47 by Mr Chanterie (H-122/84):
Først vil jeg gerne give udtryk for min glæde over at høre før, at denne sag skal drøftes her i Parlamentet i morgen.
Subject: Directive on the information and consultation of the employees of transnational undertakings ings
Som minister i den irske regering vil jeg ger ne sige, at vi er klar over, at sikkerhedsstyrkerne har behov for at kunne forsvare sig under uroligheder. I den sammenhæng kender vi de argumenter, der frem sættes for brugen af plastickugler.
Mr Ulburghs (NI). — (NL) To what extent does the directive in question provide for genuine information to the workers in connection with the complex structure of the transnational undertakings in question, not only in their own country, but also in the country where the companies have their head offices and where policy decisions are ultimately taken?
Vi ved også, at der i Nordirland er regler for brugen af dem, som sikker hedsstyrkerne forventes at overholde.
As you know, this is of vital importance during the period of crisis.
Jeg må imidlertid sige, at uanset hvordan regierneer, er det et faktum, at de ikke er blevet overholdt i Nordirland, og at de har vist sig at være utilstrækkelige.
Apart from that, to what extent does this directive, as mentioned by Mr Chanterie, differ from the previous Vredeling Directive and does it constitute an improvement over this previous directive, which also called for information and consultation of workers?
Brugen af plastickugler har ført til dødsfald og alvorlige kvæstelser. Seks af dem, der er dræbt med plastickugler, var børn.
Following his exchange of views with the Commission of 4 July last, can the President state how he intends to get underway again the current negotiations on the directive concerning the information and consultation of employees of under takings with complex structures, in particular transnational undertakings?
I lyset af det faktum, at mange mennesker allerede er døde afsårene fra plastickugler, og at 15 politikredse i Storbritannien har givet ordre til større lagre af plastickugler, vil formanden da gøre alt, hvad han kan, for at gøre sig til talsmand for den voksende bekymring, som folk i Storbritannien og Nordirland giver udtryk for, over det øgede antal plastickugler, der bruges både til øvelser og på gaderne i Nordirland?
Mr Barry. — The work has been carried out on the basis of the resolution passed by Parliament on 15 December 1982, and it was because the Irish Presidency was not satisfied at the speed with which that work has been done that it set up this ad hoc committee to report to the Council of Social Affairs Ministers in December.
Rådsformanden har allerede erklæret, at så længe han beklæder posten, vil Nordirlands anliggender ligge ham stærkt på sinde, og derfor mener jeg, at anmodningen er berettiget.
I do not think that we should pre judge either what the ad hoc committee will recommend to the Committee on Social Affairs and Employment or the decision which the Council will arrive at on the basis of the report received.
Som forholdene er nu i Nordirland, ser vi ingen anden mulighed end, at man holder op med at bruge dem.
President. — Since its author is absent, Question No 48 will receive a written reply.1
Er det korrekt af formanden for Rådet at besvare spørgsmål som udenrigsminister i en af Fællesskabets medlemsstater, eller er det hans pligt i spørgetiden udelukkende at svare i sin egenskab af formand for Rådet?
Mr Barry, President-in-Office of the Council. — Following submission of the proposal in question, the Council began work on examining it.
Har han ret til at komme ind her i Parlamentet som Den irske Republiks udenrigsminister og fremlægge synspunkter for os, der er hans egen regerings synspunkter, og ikke Ministerrådets?
The pace of the discussions was stepped up even further when the Commission submitted an amended proposal in July 1983 following the opinion given by the European Parliament.
Hvis det forholder sig således, står vi i den situation, at enhver regering kan fremsætte egne synspunkter i spørgetiden, og dette Parlaments medlemmer får så ikke lejlighed til at høre et svar fra formanden for Rådet.
As there has not been sufficient progress, the Irish Presidency of the Council of Ministers for Social Affairs has taken the step of setting up an ad hoc working group of high-level representatives of the Member States to help achieve progress on the technical matters involved in the proposal for a directive and to produce a clear definition of the positions of the Member States both on those questions and on the proposal as a whole.
Hvis det forholder sig således, ønsker jeg som repræsentant for Nordirland ikke længere at deltage i en sådan forestilling her i Parlamentet.
The results of this work will be submitted to the Social Affairs Council in December, when it will take up this matter again.
Taylor (ED). — (EN) Det er beklageligt, at vi i de næste seks måneder skal døje med irsk republikansk propaganda fra Ministerrådets såkaldte talsmand.
Will the President-in-Office seek at the next Sum mit either in public or in private to raise the matter of the continued use of plastic bullets by the UK Government?
Lad mig gøre det klart for ham — med hans republikanske hat — for det er det eneste, han står for, hvad os i Nordirland angår — at vi ikke tager notits af synspunkter, der kommer fra ham eller fra nogen i Dublin, som han repræsenterer.
Mr Barry, President-in-Office of the Council. — This matter does not come within the Community's jurisdiction. diction.
Formanden. — Hr. Paisley, jeg kan give dem min afgørelse straks.
Mr Balfe (S). — I am sorry to hear that answer from, of all people, an Irish President-in-Office, and, even
Det er en gammel skik her i Parlamentet, at når formanden for Rådet besvarer spørgsmål, gør han det som formand for Rådet; men hvis han ønsker det, må han gerne tilføje nogle få ord i sin egenskab af minister i sit eget land.
Mr Chanterie (PPE). — (NL) Thank you for your answer, from which I understand that this matter has been under consideration for some time now, since the original text of the proposal for a directive was, I believe, submitted some four years ago in 1980.
Det er en gammel skik, og jeg synes, den er god.
The examination over this period has resulted in substantial improvements to the original text.
I hvert fald kan jeg fortælle Dem, hvis De ikke ved det, at denne skik blev indført efter Parlamentets udtrykkelige ønske, fordi Parlamentet blev lidt træt af altid at høre svar fra Rådets formand med meget lidt eller intet indhold.
Since the President-in-Office of the Council tells us that this question has been included on the agenda for the Council of Ministers for Social Affairs in December, I should like to ask him whether it will be finally settled before the end of the Irish Presidency and whether the decision
Taylor bekæmpelsen af IRA?
If that is so, I, as a representative of Northern Ireland, would not want to take any further part in any such charade in this House.
Og vil han benytte denne lejlighed til at fordømme IRA, hvilket han omhyggeligt undgik at gøre i sit tidligere svar?
more so, from a representative of the Fine Gael party, which has taken a considerable interest in this matter.
MacSharry (RDE). — (EN) Jeg ville gerne have kun net takke formanden for hans svar, men det er meget skuffende i lyset af det faktum, at den nordøstlige del af Irland — Deres og mit land, hr. formand — er det eneste virkelig konfliktfyldte område inden for Fæl lesskabet.
Could the President-in-Office tell me whether he proposes to put any pressure on the governments of the Member States to implement a resolution of this Parliament and a resolution which political parties in his own country have taken a considerable interest in say ing should be implemented?
Jeg vil gerne spørge Dem, om De har gjort noget forsøg eller taget noget initiativ i Rådet — og i bekræftende fald hvilket — og om der var nogen ind vendinger? Jeg vil gerne spørge Dem, hr. formand, om De er parat til at tilbyde Deres mellemkomst og anmode Rådet om at behandle betænkningen fra New Ireland Forum?
Finally, will he ask that this matter be discussed in the Political Affairs Committee next week when it meets in Dublin, or is he pre pared to say in Dublin that this is not a matter of concern to the European Communities?
Barry. — (EN) Jeg beklager, at en, som jeg gerne ville regne for en irsk landsmand, vil stå frem for denne forsamling og begynde at klandre mig i min rolle som irsk udenrigsminister.
President. — Mr Paisley, I can give you your ruling straight away.
Hvis han bruger ordet »republikansk« i dette ords bedste betydning, i Wolfe Tone-betydningen af ordet, det at behandle alle men nesker lige, som en fornærmelse, afviser jeg det, og jeg bærer betegnelsen som en æresbevisning.
It has been the longstanding custom in this House that when the President of the Council answers questions he does so as President of the Council; hut if he wishes to do so he may add a few words in his capacity as a Minister in his own country.
Jeg accepterer bestemt hans argument, at kun to lande in den for Det europæiske Fællesskab bruger plastickugler, men de er ikke i brug i hele den under et af disse lande hørende jurisdiktion, kun i en del af den.
This has been a longstanding habit and I think it is a good one. In any case I must tell you, in case you do not know, that this custom was instituted at the express wish of this House because the House became a little tired of always hearing answers by the President of the Council in which he said nothing at all or very little.
Barry. — (EN) Som formand for Rådet har jeg alle rede gjort opmærksom på, at Det europæiske Fælles skabs Ministerråds kompetence er begrænset til anlig gender, der er dækket af traktaten.
Mr Barry. — The reply I read out as President-in-Office of the Council of Ministers stated that this matter does not come within the Community's jurisdiction. However, may I speak in my capacity as the Irish Foreign Minister?
Pearce (ED). — (EN) Hr. formand, som De sagde er det skik og brug, at rådsformanden kan tilføje nogle få ord, som den nuværende formand gjorde, idet han gør det klart, at disse synspunkter ikke er andre med lemsstaters synspunkter.
I now have, for a further supplementary question, the names of two members of the Socialist Group both coming from the UK, Mrs Crawley and Mr Hume, and I must ask them to decide between themselves which of the two is going to ask the supplementary.
(Tilråb, »hørt, hørt!« fra Den europæiske demokrati ske gruppe)
(Interruption)
Der var ikke tale om at bede dem om at gribe ind på nogen måde i et anliggende, der angik to medlemsstaters regeringer.
In that context we know the arguments advanced in favour of the use of plastic bullets.
Vi indså, at dette kunne være prekært for visse andre stater inden for Fællesskabet.
We also know that in Northern Ireland there are rules concerning their use to which the security forces are expected to adhere.
Formanden. — Hr. Pearce, jeg er ikke sikker på, om dette faktisk er en bemærkning til forretningsordenen, men jeg må sige til Dem, at når formanden for Ministerrådet står op foran denne forsamling og vælger at tilføje nogle få ord, som minister for sit land, til det, han allerede officielt har sagt i sin egenskab af for mand for Rådet, gør han det på sit eget politiske ansvar.
The conclusion is inescapable: either the rules should be changed to ensure that there are no more deaths and no more serious injuries from plastic bullets, or they should be withdrawn from use and alternative adequate measures of crowd control found.
Det er, hvad ministeren har gjort, vel viden de, formoder jeg, at der kunne komme reaktioner.
In the circumstances existing in Northern Ireland, we see no alternative but to withdraw them from use.
Hume (S). — (EN) Er formanden enig i, at den virkning, betænkningen fra New Ireland Forum har haft internationalt, afspejler en almindelig udbredt international bekymring over den fortsatte konflikt i Nord irland?
In the light of the evidence that numbers of people have already been killed by plastic bullet wounds and 15 police divisions in Great Britain have ordered increased stocks of plastic bullets, will the President-in-Office make every effort to represent the growing concern expressed by people in Great Britain and Northern Ireland at the increase in plastic bullets used both in training and on the streets of Northern Ireland?
Er han endvidere enig i, at Haagerup-betænk-ningen fra Parlamentet, der blev sendt direkte til Ministerrådet, afspejlede den almindelig udbredte bekymring inden for Det europæiske Fællesskab over fortsættelsen af en konflikt, der trodser netop de idealer, som dette Fællesskab bygger på?
The President of the Council has already stated that within his term of office matters on Northern Ireland will be to the forefront of his mind, and therefore I would say that that is a legitimate request.
Barry. — (EN) Ja, hr. formand, jeg tilstlutter mig helt og holdent det ærede medlems udtalelse.
Mr Paisley (NI). — Mr President, I must ask for your ruling.
Paisley (NI). — (EN) Hr. formand, i en afgørelse ret tet til mig sagde De, at formanden fra tid til anden havde lov at tilføje nogle få ord som udenrigsminister for den regering, som han repræsenterer.
Is the President-in-Office of the Council in order in answering questions as the Foreign Minister of one of the Member States of this Community, or is it his duty at Question Time to answer solely as the President-in-Office of the Council?
Nu har vi et fortilfælde, hvor de få ord vedrører hans egenskab af formand for Rådet, og den fulde ordlyd af hans svar har at gøre med hans embede som udenrigsminister
Has he a right to come into this House as Foreign Minister of the Republic of Ireland and put to us views that are the views of his own government and not the views of the Council of Ministers? If that is so, then we have
Barry, formand for Rådet. — (EN) EF-Ministerrådets kompetence er begrænset til de spørgsmål, der falder ind under traktaterne.
As the Irish Minister of Foreign Affairs, I shall certainly be continuing, as I have done and as my prede-
Men jeg tror også, at dette kun kan opnås med fredelige midler.
This is what the Minister has done, knowing full well, I imagine, that there might be reactions.
Jeg er meget mere heftig i min fordømmelse af voldsmænd end det ærede medlem, der lige har talt, fordi jeg tror, at det, de gør, yderligere udsætter det tidspunkt, da Irlands befolkning fra begge traditioner kan leve sam men i fred og fordragelighed.
I do not think that any thing that any Member or any Minister visiting this Parliament says on his own political responsibility should then give rise to points of order of the kind you have raised.
Jeg er enig med ham på dette punkt.
Question No 50, by Mr MacSharry (H-126/84):
Jeg vil gerne spørge, på hvilken måde et medlem af Det forenede Kongerige kan fremføre det andet synspunkt? De påtalte forsøget fra min kollega fra Det forenede Kongerige på at frem sætte et begrundet synspunkt som ikke værende i overensstemmelse med forretningsordenen.
Will the President-in-Office indicate what efforts he has made since the holding of the constitutive meeting of the newly-elected European Parliament to ensure that the report of the New Ireland Forum be examined by the Council and that the United Kingdom be invited to treat this report with the urgency and the importance that it merits and demands?
Dette spørger jeg ministeren om.
Which would he prefer to defeat the IRA?
Accepterer han, at personer valgt i Nordirland har nogen som helst ret? Jeg er faktisk sendt til dette Parlament med det største unioniststemmetal. Har jeg ingen ret til at tale på det flertals vegne, eller skal det flertal trampes ned, og skal det vrages?
And will he take this opportunity to condemn the IRA, which he carefully avoided doing in his earlier reply?
Barry. — (EN) Jeg besvarede dette spørgsmål i mit allerførste svar, da jeg udtalte mig som formand for Ministerrådet.
Mr Barry. — I regret that someone whom I should like to call a fellow Irishman should come into this Chamber and engage in abuse of me in my role as the Irish Foreign Minister.
Siden har jeg i mine svar på tillægsspørgsmål udtalt mig som irsk udenrigsminister.
If he intends the term 'Republican' in the best sense of that word, in the Wolfe Tone sense of that word, of treating all people equally, as an insult, then I reject it and I wear the term as a badge of honour.
Det svar jeg gav som formand for Ministerrådet, var, at EF-Ministerrådets kompetence er begrænset til de spørgsmål, der falder ind under traktaterne.
I certainly accept his point that only two countries in the European Community use plastic bullets, but they are not in use throughout the entire jurisdiction under the control of one of those countries, only in a portion of it.
Raftery (PPE). — (EN) Jeg forstod på formandens udtalelse, at han havde gjort de forskellige medlems stater i EØF opmærksomme på det arbejde, der udføres af New Irland Forum. Måske vil han være så ven lig at udtale sig nærmere om dette?
Mr MacSharry (RDE). — The reply of the President-in-Office is very disappointing in view of the fact that the Northern Eastern part of Ireland — your country and mine, Mr President-in-Office — is the only real area of conflict within the Community.
Barry. — (EN) Jeg synes, det er højst beklageligt, at ved den første lejlighed jeg ser det ærede medlem, der netop har talt fra den anden side af salen, er han mindre end tilfreds med de svar, jeg giver på spørgsmål her.
I would ask you whether you made any effort or took any initiatives in the Council — and if so, what they were and whether there were any objections.
Jeg synes, at det er beklageligt, at vi på en lille ø som Irland ikke kan leve i fred sammen i den tradition, som han repræsenterer, og den tradition, jeg repræsenterer.
I would ask you, Mr President-in-Office, whether you are pre pared to use your good offices and to request the Council to examine the report of the New Ireland Forum?
Marshall (ED). - (EN) Vil formanden for Rådet bekræfte, at flertallet af Nordirlands befolkning altid har tilkendegivet, at de ønsker fortsat at udgøre en del af Det forenede Kongerige?
Mr Pearce (ED). — Mr President, as you said, it is a custom that Presidents-in-Office can add a few words as the President-in-Office at the moment did, making clear that these views are not the views of other Member States.
Vil han forsvare deres ret hertil, og vil han, nu da han maner til fred i Nord irland, også fordømme handlinger begået af de terrorister, der bruger rigtige kugler til at dræbe rigtige politifolk med? Vil han også fordømme handlinger begået af de medlemmer af dette Parlament, der op fordrer til terrorisme, enten det er Sinn Feins form eller oberst Gadaffis?
However, since the President-in-Office chose to use this House as the place to make an attack on the administration, the government policy, of another Member State, which is an unusual step in this House, I wonder if you would care to invite a representative of the United Kingdom Government to come to this House at the next partsession and put views so that the House may be able to take a balanced view of both sides of the argument.
Spørgsmål nr. 60 af Dury (H-93/84):
We quite clearly did not ask
Om : BOTHAs besøg i en række af Det europæiske Fælles skabs lande
(Cries of 'Hear, hear!' from the European Democratic benches)
»ingen indrømmelse var gjort under samtalerne med de sydafrikanske ministre«.
Barry them to intervene in any way in a matter that concerned two member governments.
Ministeren tilføjede: »Jeg tror ikke desto mindre, at holdnin gerne er klarere«.
We saw that this could be embarrassing for some other States in the Community.
Har udenrigsministrene, der har haft kontakter med de sydafrikanske ministre, haft drøftelser med hinanden efter Bothas besøg og om hvilke spørgsmål?
I think that it is regrettable that on a small island like that of Ireland we cannot live in peace together in the tradition he represents and the tradition I represent.
linger og arrestationerne og tilbageholdelserne af le dende personer, der var indblandet i boykotten og voldsomhederne og oprørene i de sorte bydele.
Mr Hume (S). — Would the President-in-Office agree that the international impact of the New Ireland Forum report reflects a widespread international concern about the continuing conflict in Northern Ireland?
Hvad Sydafrikas nye forfatning angår, erindrede De Ti om, at Det internationale Fællesskab har udtrykt sit syn på denne under drøftelser om sikkerhedsrådets resolution nr. 554 den 17. august.
Would he further agree that the Haagerup report of this Parliament, which was referred directly to the Council of Ministers, reflected the widespread concern within the European Community about the continuation of a conflict which flies in the face of the very ideals on which this Community was founded?
Hvilke foranstaltninger har de til hensigt at iværksætte med henblik på fortsat at udøve pression imod Sydafrika?
Mr Barry. — Yes, Mr President, I would fully endorse what the honourable Member has said.
De Ti er af den overbevisning, at voldelighederne og urolighederne for nylig i sorte bydele såsom Sharpeville bl.a. var udtryk for de sorte sydafrikaneres fru stration over forsætligt at være udelukket fra Sydafrikas politiske liv og over ikke at have tilstrækkelige politiske muligheder for at udtrykke deres klagepunkter.
Mr Marshall (ED). — Would the President-in-Office of the Council confirm that the majority of the people of Northern Ireland have always indicated that they wish to remain part of the United Kingdom?
De Ti har konsekvent krævet afskaffelse af apartheid-systemet samt forfatningsmæssige ordninger i Sydafrika, der vil inddrage alle sydafrikanere helt og på lige fod i den politiske udvikling.
Would he defend their right to do so, and in calling for peace in Northern Ireland would he condemn the actions of those terrorists who use real bullets to kill real police men?
De seneste begivenheder understreger endnu engang behovet for en snarlig udvikling i den retning, hvis yderligere konflikter og voldeligheder skal undgås.
Would he also condemn the actions of those Members of this House who encourage terrorism, be it by Sinn Fein or by Colonel Gadaffi?
Barry, formand for Ministerrådet. — (EN) De ti uden rigsministre, der har holdt møde med henblik på det politiske samarbejde, har ikke drøftet hr. Bothas besøg i Europa.
Mr Barry. — I admit that when referenda were held in the area referred to by the honourable Member the people who voted in those referenda said they wanted to remain part of the United Kingdom.