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De Tolv er overbevist om, at internationale stridigheder, herunder stridigheder om territorialfarvandenes af grænsning, ikke må løses ved hjælp af magt, men der imod ved hjælp af de pågældende regler i folkeretten. ten.
Instructions have also been issued to the permanent EPC working party on terrorism to specify additional measures, in particular security measures, to be considered at the ministerial meeting of 21 April.
Med hensyn til de seneste begivenheder i Middelhavet vil jeg gerne bemærke følgende.
I have just indicated that consultation to review the situation in the light of the more recent development that came to light early on Tuesday morning still has to take place and that the Ministers will be meeting for that purpose tomorrow.
Mattina (S). — (IT) Jeg må helt ærligt sige, at mini sterens svar forekommer mig ikke så lidt bureaukratisk.
The Twelve will step up their cooperation with other countries in the areas of security and efforts to combat terrorism.
Hvad dernæst angår forholdet Europa-USA, har man på ingen måde taget hensyn til den afgørelse, Fællesskabets udenrigsministre traf, idet angrebet jo fandt sted dagen efter.
The Arab states and the Arab League have been invited to consult jointly and urgently on the question of international terrorism with a view to act ing in common to contain it.
Jeg mener, at dette forhold fortjener en mere præcis stillingtagen fra rådsformandskabets side.
On the European side further consideration could, for example, be given to the Troika formula.
Vedrørende forholdet mellem de enkelte fællesskabs lande og De forenede Stater vil jeg endelig sige, at der kom en udsending fra De forenede Stater, som talte med de forskellige europæiske regeringer, men me dens disse samråd stod på, var der ikke desto mindre allerede blevet truffet en uigenkaldelig afgørelse, som i øvrigt også var ved at blive udført.
As to the honourable Member's more specific question concerning European ministers' knowledge of the American action, I can in any event inform him that the American action as such was not specifically discussed during consultations on Monday in The Hague. It was of course the case that the meeting had been called at such short notice by the Presidency because tension in the area was obviously mounting and the possibility of military intervention could not be ruled out.
Dette møde førte på baggrund af en dybtgående vurdering af situationen og efter en omhyggelig debat tidligt på aftenen i mandags til en fælles erklæ ring.
Not least, the declaration issued last Monday evening by the Twelve emphasized the need for moderation on both sides, so as to prevent any further escalation of the military tension in the region, with all its attendant dangers.
I denne erklæring fra De Tolv gives der udtryk for De Tolvs dybe bekymring over den voksende spænding i middelhavsområdet som følge af de nylige attentater.
The United States nevertheless felt obliged, despite the European appeal, to take direct military action against Libya on Monday.
Samtidig afvises libyske lede res uacceptable trusler mod europæiske medlemssta ter.
It must be acknowledged that tension in the region has been heightened by that action.
Voldshandlinger fra denne side vil blive gengældt med et kraftigt og passende svar fra De Tolv.
The Presidency then decided at short notice to hold a further meeting of Foreign Ministers,
I Haag underskrev alle ministrene dette dokument — der i øvrigt forekommer mig vagt både i forholdet til Libyen og i forholdet til De forenede Stater, samtidig •med at en af de europæiske regeringer var udmærket klar over, hvad der var ved at ske, nemlig ministeren fra Det forenede Kongerige, hvorfra de fly lettede, der
It goes without saying that, if there were ministers present at that consultation, which — I repeat — took place prior to the military intervention, who were in possession of any relevant information, no such sensi-
Det er det, vi ønsker, at råds formanden taler om; resten, det vil sige det, der står i aviserne, ved vi allerede!
Van den Broek tive information formed any part of advance talks among the Twelve.
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Blumenfeld (PPE). - (DE) Jeg har to præcise spørgsmål : Er det Dem bekendt, om afgørende beviser som dem, der ifølge presseforlydender har foreligget for præsident Reagan, for befalingen om at angribe også har foreligget for rådsformandskabet, dvs. udenrigsministerorganet ?
Mr Morris (S). — I have been informed by very reliable people that preceding the brutal aggression by the United States, supported by the British Government, against Libyan civilians, Cruise nuclear missiles were deployed from Greenham Common on Friday morning and returned to their base at Greenham Common last night after the Libyan crisis was presumed to have passed.
Har den tyske udenrigsminister Genscher, der jo har opholdt sig i Washington i de sidste dage, underrettet Dem om samtaler med præsidenten og udenrigsminister Shultz?
Can the Foreign Minister tell this House whether or not NATO member states or their Foreign Ministers had been informed or consulted about the deployment of Cruise nuclear missiles and, if not, what, in his opinion, are the implications of this for the NATO member states?
Van den Broek. — (NL) Som det ærede medlem med rette bemærker, fandt De forenede Staters militære operation sted efter De Tolvs møde.
Mr Prag (ED). — The death of 100 civilians is the most regrettable feature of what has happened.
Jeg meddelte netop, at der må ske en fornyet vurdering af situationen i lyset af den nærmere udvikling, der indtraf tidligt tirsdag morgen, og at ministrene mødes med henblik herpå i morgen.
How ever, is the President-in-Office aware that 25 Americans were murdered overseas in terrorist attacks last year and that in the last 12 years 154 lethal attacks have been made on Americans overseas resulting in 412 deaths?
Det var imidlertid indlysende, at formandskabet indkaldte til dette møde med så kort frist, fordi spændingen i området rent faktisk var ved at stige, og muligheden af militær intervention ikke kunne udelukkes.
Lastly, would the Foreign Ministers press the United States of America not to use the Libyan crisis as a smokescreen or cover for direct intervention in Nicaragua? gua?
Van den Broek. — (NL) Jeg har endnu ikke modtaget oplysninger fra hr. Genscher om hans samtaler med hr. Shultz.
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Hvad angår de oplysninger, som det ærede medlem taler om, blev det tolket som »findes der beviser«, og jeg har derfor ikke helt forstået spørgsmålet.
Mr Van den Broek. — (NL) In my present capacity I cannot become involved in any assessment of the justification for the American military intervention.
Hvis spørgsmålet er: »var der forud gående oplysninger« — egentlig det samme spørgsmål som det, hr. Mattina har stillet — kan jeg svare, at den amerikanske præsident, som det ærede medlem ved, forud for det militære indgreb, sendte en særlig ambassadør til en række europæiske hovedstæder.
Mr Van den Broek. — The honourable Member's first question concerning cooperation among the partners to the NATO alliance does not fall within the terms of reference of European political cooperation. The honourable Member is, I assume, perfectly aware of that.
De pågældende regeringer har intet meddelt os om de samtaler, der blev ført med denne særlige amerikanske repræsentant.
As to the question concerning Nicaragua, neither can it in any sense be said to form any part of the agenda of political cooperation.
Det er imidlertid klart, at hvis der på mødet, der — jeg gentager — fandt sted forud for den militære intervention, var ministre, der rådede over oplysninger herom, indgår sådanne sensitive oplysninger ikke i forudgående samtaler mellem De Tolv.
What I can do is to refer the honourable Member to the declaration issued by the Twelve last Monday announcing a number of very specific measures against Libya, thereby emphasizing how seriously the Twelve take the question of terrorism generally, and more particularly that they recognize the special role played in it by Libya.
Morris (S). — (NL) Jeg har faet oplyst fra meget pålidelige folk, at forud for De forenede Staters brutale aggression, der blev støttet af den britiske regering mod libyske borgere, blev der fredag morgen opstillet nukleare krydsermissiler fra Greenham Common, der blev returneret til deres base i Greenham Common i går aftes, efter at Libyen-krisen formodedes at være overstået.
Secondly, the declaration concludes by urging moderation and self-restraint on all parties in order to forestall further military escalation in the region.
Prag (ED). — (EN) 100 borgeres død er det mest beklagelige af det, der skete.
Mr Blumenfeld (PPE). — I want to put two precise questions.
Men er rådsformanden klar over, at 25 amerikanere blev myrdet i fremmede lande ved attentater sidste år, og at der i de sidste 12 år har været 154 dødbringende attentater mod amerikanere i udlandet med i alt 412 døde?
According to newspaper reports, President Reagan was in possession of hard and fast evidence which justified his giving the order to attack.
Mener han virkelig, at nogen nation kan udholde dette og ikke gøre noget meget afgørende ved den mand, der of fentligt har pralet med terrorismens effektivitet, med sin finansiering af terrorisme, den mand, der har for bindelser med terrorister, herunder IRA, over hele verden, og som hjælper med at uddanne terrorister?
Does the President-in-Office know whether this evidence had also been put before the Council Presidency or before the Foreign Ministers as a body?
Van den Broek. — (NL) Jeg kan i min nuværende egenskab ikke komme ind på en vurdering af retfærdigheden af den amerikanske militære optræden.
Secondly, Foreign Minister Genscher has been in Washington in the last few days. Has he told the President-in-Office anything about his talks with the President and Foreign Minister Shultz?
Vil udenrigsministrene endelig presse Amerikas for enede Stater til ikke at bruge Libyen-krisen som et røgslør eller dække over direkte intervention i Nicaragua? ragua?
And if only two or three of them — Britain and West Germany, for example — were aware of this, did they inform the others, within the framework of political cooperation, that a warlike act against Libya was imminent?
For det andet appelleres der i slutningen af denne erklæring helt tydeligt til mådehold og selvbeherskelse hos alle implicerede parter for at undgå en yderligere militær eskalation i regionen.
As to the information to which the honourable Member refers — it was translated as 'Does proof exist?', so that I have not quite under stood the question — if the question is: 'Was there advance information?', in other words the same question as that put by Mr Mattina — I can answer that, as the honourable Member is aware, the American President, in advance of the military intervention, sent a special ambassador round a number of European capi
Van den Broek. — (NL) Det ærede medlems første spørgsmål, der vedrører alliancesamarbejdet inden for NATO, hører ikke til samtaleemnerne inden for EPS.
Now for the second part of my question: do the twelve Ministers believe that terrorism can be tackled
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Ephremidis (COM). — (GR) Ministeren sagde, at angrebet fandt sted efter de tolv ministres møde. Jeg vil gerne stille et spørgsmål, som indeholder tre punkter.
Ephremidis with barbaric acts of this kind against any country — which particular country is involved is not of import ance, as we too condemn all acts of terrorism — or, on the contrary, do they not believe that they encourage terrorist reprisals and create wider dangers?
Van den Broek. — (NL) Også udenrigsministrene har fuld forståelse for og føler også selv, at vi her står over for en usædvanlig vigtig og også alvorlig situation.
And the third point: the attack was launched against Libya because Reagan considers that country to be guilty of practising terrorism.
Det ændrer ikke noget ved den ne sags alvor og den interesse, hvormed De Tolv vil følge den.
And if the twelve Ministers were in possession of such evidence, why does the Minister not reveal it to us, so that we can see for ourselves, so, Mr President, that public opinion can judge?
Hvis ikke alle, men kun to-tre af dem — den engelske og den vesttyske — var informeret, informerede disse så de øvrige inden for det politiske samarbejde om, at der forestod et fjendtligt angreb på Libyen? Hvis de ikke informerede dem, eller hvis de ikke var generelt informeret, hvilken betydning har så det te politiske samarbejde?
He has in effect repeated the question put by previous speakers: precisely what was known in advance, and did certain Ministers who had access to advance information communicate it to their counterparts?
Skal man fra aviserne erfare om disse frygtelige begivenheder, som bringer verdensfreden i fare?
It would be wrong to see a connection between the two things; it was simply a question of timing.
Anden del af spørgsmålet: Tror De Tolv, at det er muligt med sådanne barbariske krigshandlinger mod et land — det har ingen betydning hvilket land, for stået således at vi fordømmer enhver terrorhandling — at bekæmpe terroren, eller at det tværtimod for øger terroraktionerne og skaber større generel fare?
The Ministers, while they could not have been in possession of concrete information concerning the final decisions on military intervention, nevertheless recognized the gravity of the situation, and it was against precisely that background that they drafted their declaration, in particular its concluding paragraph — to which I have already referred — urging moderation and self-restraint in order to forestall escalation.
Jeg skal ikke gøre mig til forsvarer for Kaddafi.
All this because these countries are lending their support to this cataclysm.
Men kendsgerninger, beviser.
Where are we going?
Det ærede medlem bad om et ærligt og et klart svar, og det kan ethvert medlem regne med, for så vidt som det er mig muligt også at komme ind på disse spørgsmål indholdsmæssigt.
It seems to me, from what the Minister is saying, that we are beginning to play with words.
Han gentog i virkeligheden tidligere taleres spørgsmål: Hvad vidste man præcist i forvejen, og har visse ministre, der rådede over forhåndsoplysninger, meddelt dette til deres kolleger?
I fear that while here we sit near each other, there is a huge distance between us on this question.
De behøver ikke at sætte disse to ting i forbindelse med hinanden : sådan forholdt det sig blot rent tidsmæssigt.
The honourable Member also asked what evidence was available of Libyan complicity in terrorist actions.
Ministrene erkendte altså uden at kunne råde over konkrete oplysninger med hensyn til den endelige afgørelse om militært indgreb ikke desto mindre situationens alvor og har i virkeligheden også på denne baggrund udarbejdet sin erklæring, især — det understreger jeg — slutparagraffen i denne erklæ ring, hvor der appelleres til mådehold og selvbeherskelse for at forhindre eskalation.
Let me say from the outset that the fact that the twelve ministers saw good reason for the first time last Mon day to name Libya specifically in their declaration and to adopt a clear position against Libyan involvement in terrorist activities must be understood in itself at the very least to indicate that each of the twelve govern ments was convinced of that country's involvement.
Hvor er vi henne, når en vis hr. Reagan dømmer, træffer beslutninger, angriber, myrder og dræber, ikke blot libyske, men også udenlandske og amerikanske statsborgere, og i morgen beslutter at affyre atomraketter fra baser, som er trygt anbragt på fællesskabsterritorium, og begynder en verdensomfattende atomkrig, fordi han tror, at han har de og de beviser, men uden at vi kender noget til dem, og uden at landenes regeringer underrettes?
Secondly, the American President, in statements to the press and in television appearances after the decision to intervene militarily had been taken and that decision had been implemented, named one specific instance of Libyan involvement, namely that relating to the attack on the West German discotheque.
Det er nemlig deres lande, som skal udsættes for dette holocaust. Hvqr er vi henne?
Con siderable evidence of this was released.
Så spurgte det ærede medlem om, hvilke beviser der rådes over med hensyn til den libyske meddelagtighed i terrorhandlinger.
Of course we are each entitled to our own opinion, and each of us may well have our doubts.
Lad mig begynde med at sige, at den enkelte kendsgerning, at de tolv ministre sidste mandag for første gang så sig foranlediget til i deres erklæring at nævne landet Libyen og til tydeligt at tage stilling mod den libyske meddelagtighed i terror handlinger i sig selv dog mildest talt må være en hen visning til, at de respektive tolv regeringer var over bevist om denne meddelagtighed.
In any event it remains the case that for the twelve governments that issued last Monday's declaration, the communiqué by the Twelve, that involvement is a fact.
Det forekommer mig, at vi nu begynder at lege lidt med ministerens udtalelser, Jeg er bange for, at vi, skønt vi sidder tæt ved hinanden, er meget langt fra hinanden i dette spørgsmål.
Finally, and this is a similar point to the one I have already made, we cannot in matters of this kind reasonably expect precise chapter and verse to be made public, thereby revealing the sources of the information and data on the basis of which action is ultimately taken or evidence of Libyan involvement is obtained.
Jeg vil bede ministeren om at give os nogle overbevisende svar.
I think it really would be going too far to assume that that should be so.
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For det andet nævnte den amerikanske præsident i sine presseerklæringer og TV-taler, efter at der var truffet afgørelse om det militære indgreb, og det var gennemført, et eksempel på libysk meddelagtighed, og det vedrørte især attentatet på det vesttyske diskotek.
On the other hand — and here I reflect the discussions that have taken place hitherto among the Twelve on this matter — it is essential for us to analyze the situation carefully, and to do so with cool heads; and where public opinion is concerned, we must be careful not to give rise to what might be said to amount to a kind of psycho-hysteria in a war situation.
Der er frigivet en række oplysninger derom.
I do not believe that would be the right approach.
Formanden. — Mine damer og herrer, det er klart, at denne sag fremkalder mange emotioner, og derfor må vi anvende forretningsordenen smidigt.
Mr Chinaud (LDR). — (FR) There are three elements to the question I wish to raise.
Hvad angår kontakten med de arabiske lande, som det ærede medlem nævner, og hertil skal egentlig kobles hans spørgsmål, om det ikke var at foretrække helt at afbryde de diplomatiske forbindelser i dette tilfælde med Libyen, indeholder communiqueet en række begrænsende foranstaltninger i forbindelserne med Libyen.
As regards contacts with the Arab countries to which the honourable Member referred, and, in that connection, his question as to whether it would be preferable to break off all diplomatic relations with Libya in this instance, the communiqué sets out a number of restrictive measures applicable to relations with Libya.
Det er, hvad De Tolv har vedtaget og som de også hurtigst muligt rent faktisk vil gennem føre.
That is what the Twelve have decided, and that is also what will be implemented at the shortest possible notice.
Overvejelser, der ved opretholdelsen af diplomatiske forbindelser i diverse medlemsstater natur ligvis har spillet en rolle, er for det første, at også opretholdelse af diplomatisk kontakt fra Europas side under de givne omstændigheder kan være nyttig.
The main considerations that swung the different Member States in favour of maintaining diplomatic relations were, firstly, that for Europe to keep up diplomatic contacts could have certain advantages, even in the present circumstances.
For det andet har vi naturligvis også et ansvar for de mange europæere, der bor og arbejder i Libyen.
And secondly, that we obviously have a responsibility to the large numbers of Europeans who continue to live and work in Libya.
For det andet: På et tidspunkt, hvor det på baggrund af de oplysninger, som vi har modtaget, er på sin plads at overveje, om der har været en slags objektiv indforståelse mellem Sovjetunionen og De forenede Stater — jeg henviser til, at et sovjetisk militærskib på næsten mirakuløs vis forsvandt fra den amerikanske angrebszone — mener De da ikke, at Rådet virkelig har indtaget en lidet troværdig holdning over for de to supermagter og dermed har medvirket til at svække Europas stilling i denne sag?
Second element: at a time when one might ask, in the light of the information which we have collected, whether there is some kind of objective complicity between the Soviet Union and the United States — I refer to the almost miraculous disppearance of a Soviet warship from the American attack zone — does the President-in-Office not feel that the Council of Ministers really has taken a position which lacks credibility as regards the two super-powers, and therefore has helped to weaken Europe's position in this matter?
Endelig, hr. Minister, nævnte De i Deres Haag-erklæring nødvendigheden af en drøftelse med de arabiske lande — og det har De ret i — men finder De det hensigtsmæssigt fortsat at opretholde diplomatiske forbindelser med Libyen, der som følge af sine internationale metoder bandlyses af det internationale fællesskab? lesskab?
Finally, in his declaration at The Hague the Minister mentioned the need for discussion with the Arab countries — and he is right — but does it seem to him necessary to continue to maintain diplomatic relations with Libya, who, by its own international methods, has set itself beyond the pale of the international com munity?
Hvilke internationale retsregler skal der dømmes ef ter? Hvilket internationalt forum skal der benyttes?
Mr Van den Broek. — (NL) I think that if the declarations by the Twelve, both that made on 27 January and that made last Monday are kept in mind, it cannot be said that Europe has kept silent.
Hvilke juridiske midler skal der bruges, ikke alene til en hurtig genopretning af freden i Libyen, men også for at garantere sikkerheden for befolkningen i området? det?
Therefore, I would like to ask the Minister, in the light of what principles or in accordance with what norms of the aforesaid International Law, it being understood that the Council of Ministers, at its next meeting, should rule on the definition of a common European position relative to the events referred to and their foreseeable consequences, what international instances he thinks should be used and what legal measures will he advise taking, not only for the rapid re-establishment of peace in Libya, but also to guarantee the security of people in the countries where the events took place?
På egne vegne vil jeg gerne tilføje, at man i Europas optræden ikke må søge en forklaring på den amerikanske optræden.
I believe that without a clear reply to this question, our whole debate lacks foundation and purpose.
Får vi ikke et klart svar på disse spørgsmål, er jeg bange for, at hele vor diskussion savner grundlag og derfor ingen nytte er til.
Mr Van den Broek. — (NL) I naturally cannot say what the precise content of the meeting of the Twelve tomorrow will be, except that it has been agreed —
Jeg mener også, at det fremgår helt tydeligt af Haagcommuniqueet fra i mandags, at der træffes en række konkrete foranstaltninger.
I repeat that in the communiqué put out in The Hague last Monday it was clearly stated that a number of concrete measures were being taken.
Jeg har allerede nævnt dem: begrænsning af libyske diplomaters bevægel
I have already named them: restrictions on the numbers of Libyan diplomats in Europe and on their freedom of move ment, together with a number of specific instructions to the EPC permanent working party that will also advise ministers — this will be on the agenda of the EPC meeting, the meeting of ministers in political cooperation, next Monday — and you can also find a number of other provisions and measures in the declaration. ration.
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