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Pearce. — (EN) Mens vi er tilfredse med det, som O'Kennedy har sagt til os, mener jeg, at Parlamentet skylder Kommissionen en undskyldning for at have sat den i en ganske umulig situation.
This excellent report clearly describes this need and pays tribute to the work of the Commission and the other institutions, the Court of Auditors and the EIB, in the assessment of the Community finance develop ment programmes.
Vi ønskede, at det ansvarlige kommissionsmedlem skulle være tilstede.
In 1981 the Commission went ahead on concerted assessment with the partner countries as called for in paragraph 14 of Mr Michel's excellent report.
Jeg, og jeg tror med mig mange kolleger, beklager den absurde fremgangsmåde, som forhindrede, at dette skete, og jeg vil gerne give udtryk for mit syn på den kynisme, som den kristelig-derhokra-
In February the Commission held a meeting of ACP and EEC experts at Lomé, this time on the findings of its assessments in the agricultural development sector, and worked out with them — because the crucial element in this whole programme is that we work together, whatever be our perceptions, to guarantee the effectiveness of what we are doing — basic principles for future projects in this field.
Pearce tiske gruppe har vist, da den sørgede for, at denne forhandling fandt sted nu uden det rigtige kommissionsmedlem, og ikke en gang gør sig den ulejlighed at blive. De personer på de forreste pladser, som anmodede om, at forhandlingen skulle finde sted nu, forlod nemlig øjeblikkeligt salen.
O'Kennedy should nonetheless emphasize the excellent work the Court is doing, obviously with appreciably larger funds at its disposal than the Commission has in this area, and for that reason the Commission makes the fullest use of the information available to it from the Court's reports.
Dette er kynisk og tarveligt, og det er en dårlig måde at behandle et så vigtigt emne som dette på. Jeg håber, at min ven hr. Michel derovre vil anmode ledelsen af sin gruppe om at komme tilbage i afstemningstiden i aften og give Parlamentet en undskyldning for, hvad de har gjort.
impact of economic recession on their economies at this moment, but the more that may emerge, as has been underlined this morning, the more we are obliged to ensure that we can guarantee the effectiveness of what we are doing and particularly the capacity of the partner countries in the development world to ensure their own self-development.
Jeg opfordrer ham til at efterkomme denne, anmodning.
I think that element in the report is of particular importance.
Særskilt forvaltning og bogføring kan ikke alene løse interessekonflikterne mellem ansvars- og retshjælpsforsikring, idet bogføring og udformning af policer ikke har noget at gøre med den konkrete skadesregulering.
We also entirely agree with and endorse the contention in paragraph 44 of the rapporteur's report that assessment must be made into a joint exercise with the authorities in the partner states or group of partner states.
Men netop her ligger konflikten, som imidlertid efter kommissionsmedlemmets opfattelse angiveligt kun opstår, når begge implicerede parter er forsikret i den samme retshjælpsforsikring.
We do so because, quite frankly, to do other wise would be contrary to the spirit and the letter of Lomé II, in particular Article 108 and other articles which demonstrate that it is only through partnership and cooperation that we can, in fact, effectively implement the provisions we worked out in Lomé II.
Den oplysning, som den forsikrede i henhold til artikel 3, stk. 4 skal have, bevirker i gunstigste fald, at en interesse konflikt lægges blot, men bidrager på ingen måde til en løsning af konflikten.
The assessments — and we have made a number to date — will show that the effectiveness of the Community finance development operations depend in large measure on the national policies in the framework of which they are planned and carried out.
Afstemning vil finde sted i næste afstemnigstid (').
The second and related criterion is: 'Will the operations remain viable after the aid ends?'
Det frie valg af advokat, som hr. Tugendhat roser så stærkt, kan imidlertid ikke skjule, at forsikringstageren og dennes advokat forbliver afhængige.
As so many of you here, who have had experience directly in the field or had the opportunity of visiting these countries, know, it is not just a question of applying financial assistance.
Advokaten skal jo til syvende og sidst bemyndiges og frem for alt betales af forsikringsgiveren.
It is, in fact, very much more a question of applying technical assistance and research capacity and promoting an ability to help oneself.
En bedømmelse af, hvor frit og uhindret dette mandat er, vil jeg over lade til Parlamentets fantasi.
One has often been struck, and infortunately almost shocked, at the wastage that has occurred where money has been deployed without ensuring the capacity of the recipient resources themselves.
Som andet synspunkt prøvede udvalget om den af Kommissionen nævnte målsætning, nemlig en harmonisering på området retshjælpsforsikring og i forbindelse hermed en liberalisering af konkurrencen blev opnået. Dette er jo baggrunden for forslaget.
It is much more a question of guaranteeing, as this report indicates, that the operations remain viable after the aid ends, and that can best be done by strengthening the capacity of our part ner countries to build on the foundations we provide in the early stages.
Udvalget for miljø- og sundhedsanliggender forbrugerbeskyttelse har ordet.
Should the ACP states concerned so request — because it does depend on their readiness to request and to activate this cooperation machinery — we are most willing, as this report suggests, to assist them in setting up or expanding their own assessment services to help them in the programming of their develop ment.
Anderledes end Kommissionen prøvede udvalget ikke dette ud fra nationale synspunkter og stillede ikke spørgsmålet, hvem der skal rette sig efter hvem i Fællesskabet. Tværtimod undersøgte udvalget dette ud fra forbrugernes overordnede interesse på fælles skabsplan.
With reference to paragraph 5, the Commission has already made a start on practical coordination between its own and the Member States' assessments of activities in the animal production sector and projects concerned with stock rearing, slaughterhouses and fisheries.
Mit udvalg konstaterede i denne sammen hæng, at de to foregivne mål ikke nås. Harmoniseringen opnås ikke, fordi artikel 3, stk. 3 giver mulighed for undtagelser.
There is regular consultation between -the Commission's evaluation staff and those of five Member States to ensure that assessment is conducted on similar lines so as to yield comparable results and, if possible, common conclusions in 1982.
Liberaliseringen opnås ikke, fordi medlemsstaterne kan stille betingelser, selv om dette principielt blev modtaget meget positivt af udvalget.
The Commission plans to extend this coordination further in the future.
Udvalget afviser derfor med overvældende flertal Kommissionens forslag i den foreliggende form.
Obviously we are working as a Community, but equally obviously we have bilateral programmes.
Udvalget foretrækker for så vidt angår beskyttelsen af den europæiske forbruger et gruppeopdelingssystem og specialisering af de forsikringsselskaber, der tegner retshjælpsforsikring.
It follows that we must ensure the maximum possible coordination between what we do as a Community and what we do on a bilateral basis, and I entirely agree with and endorse that recommendation.
Seibel-Emmerling, ordfører. — (DE) Hr. formand, mine damer og herrer!
We agree, as I said, almost all the way with the tenor of the draft resolutions, and I would specifically refer to some crucial and important elements in them.
Udvalget for miljø- og sund hedsanliggender og ' forbrugerbeskyttelse har efter indgående drøftelser med stort flertal, nemlig med 15 mod 4 stemmer, vedtaget den foreliggende udtalelse (PE 67 003/endel.) om Kommissionens forslag.
Assess ments should, inter alia, be conducted jointly with the ACP States when the report is discussed by the new ACP-EEC Ministerial Committee established by Article 108 of the second Lomé Convention, to which I have already referred in detail.
Mål og intention for Kommissionens forslag blev allerede under julimødet forklaret af ordføreren for retsud valget.
Let me underline that the purpose of establishing that joint ministerial committee was so that we could, in fact, get the basis for the kind of assessment recommended by Mr Michel in his report.
Jeg vil derfor gerne af hensyn til vor tidsplan henvise hertil og kun komme med en begrundelse, når vor udtalelse afviger herfra, denne er i øvrigt næsten identisk med det af retsudvalgets ordfører oprindelig forelagte udkast, som imidlertid desværre ikke blev vedtaget i retsudvalget på grund af stemme lighed.
The committee is to hold its first meeting this autumn, and obviously, in view of the role and responsibility Parliament has in this, the Commission cannot fail to give the House here an account of the proceeding of that first meeting and will, in fact, do so at the first available opportunity.
Udvalget ville hilse det velkommen, hvis finansielle forbindelser mellem retshjælpsforsikringsselskaberne og andre forsikringsgivere ikke var tilladt.
The Commission has, in fact, already made a joint assessment with the European non-governmental organizations of the projects co-financed with them.
Desværre er dette mål imidlertid endnu ikke gennemført i nogen medlemsstat.
This was fully conclusive and will certainly be done again, I can assure this House.
Udvalget prøvede derfor en eventuel forbindelse mellem moder- og datterselskaber og konfronterede denne med de af Kommissionen fore slåede tilladte forbindelser.
From it the objective bases were worked out for improving the general conditions of cofinancing with the non-governmental organizations.
På grund af afstanden mellem datter- og moderselskab forekommer de eventuelle negative konsekvenser betydeligt mindre end ved Kommissionens forslag.
On Paragraph 13 the Commission considers that the European Parliament which has, I think, taken the lead from the first moment it was elected, as was evident by the presence of your President when we signed Lomé II in Lomé, could most
Mit udvalg og ordføreren har undersøgt, om dette forslag er acceptabelt, ud fra et forbrugersynspunkt.
With reference to paragraph 2 of the report, the Commission feels from experience that the two following criteria are important in appraising and assessing projects.
I modsætning til de begrundelser, som Kommissionen fremførte i udvalget, og som i juli desværre blev gentaget af kommissær Tugendhat, anser vort udvalg forslaget for uacceptabelt for forbrugerne.
The first is: 'Are the projects calculated to help increase the partner countries' capacity for self-development?'.
Kommissionen er ganske vist opmærksom på eventuelle inter essekonflikter, men de af Kommissionen foreslåede løsninger er fuldstændig uegnede.
Obviously this has been a recurring theme in any analysis of effective coopera tion in the development area in recent times.
(') Parlamentets sammensætning: jf. protokol fra mødet. (') Se protokol af 16.7. 1981.
There are understandable reactions in Member States to the
Seibel-Emmerling heder for forsikringsselskaberne og deres virke og det er grunden til, at et antal af mine kolleger, uanset nationalitet, vil forsvare De Guchts standpunkt nr. et.
O'Kennedy regulations and administrative provisions relating to legal expenses insurance.
Den holdning, som· her kommer frem, er mere i overensstemmelse med de ændringsforslag, som medlemmer af retsudvalget — bl.a. Sieglerschmidt, Luster og ordføreren De Gucht har stillet.
effectively monitor the effectiveness of Community aid, we believe, by on-the-spot visits in connection with the meetings of the Joint Committee of the ACP/ EEC Consultative Assembly.
Udvalget takker udtrykkeligt hr. De Gucht for, at han på en så fair måde har taget hensyn til vor argumentation i den første udformning af sin betænkning, der, som allerede nævnt, desværre blev afvist ved stemme lighed.
The Commission will continue to give every support to the arranging of such visits by suggesting that we should, if possible, include some Joint Committee members actually from various ACP countries.
Af hensyn til de europæiske forbrugeres interesser beder jeg Parlamentet om at vedtage ændringsforslagene. gene.
Mr President, I shall convey to my colleagues and the Commissioner responsible, Mr Pisani, the opinions and concerns which have been expressed in this debate this morning by the Members of the House.
Tyrrell. — (EN) Hr. formand, det er to måneder siden, at denne betænkning blev sat til forhandling, og ordføreren og Kommissionen tog ordet, det er meget beklageligt, at Parlamentets procedure medfører en så stor forsinkelse.
I have no doubt that Mr Pisani will analyse these in great detail and, as I said, he will be here at the earliest opportunity to report on developments in relation to this report this morning.
Det er nu to måneder siden, at kommissær Tugendhat kommenterede de ændringsforslag, som jeg og sandelig også andre havde stillet.
Mr Pearce. — While we appreciate what Mr O'Kennedy has said to us, I think the House owes an apology to the Commission for having put them in a quite impossible position.
Janssen van Raay. — (NL) Hr. formand, vi har her at gøre med et omstridt emne.
We wanted the Commissioner responsible here.
Som ordfører repræsenterer han udvalget, privat kan han godt være medunderskriver af ændringsforslag.
Indeed, the people at the front there, who demanded that this debate should take place now, promptly walked out of the room.
Jeg gør opmærksom herpå, fordi der faldt nogle bemærkninger herom ved første behandling.
That is cynical and it is shabby, and it is a poor way to treat a subject as important as this.
Jeg vil derfor indledningsvis gøre gældende, at hr. De Gucht efter min mening har moralsk og juridisk ret til at handle, som han har gjort.
I hope that my friend Mr Michel over there will ask the leadership of his group to come back at voting time this afternoon and apologise to the rest of the House for what they have done. I ask him to respond to that request.
Vi har ikke holdt afstemning om sagen, fordi min gruppe har delte meninger, ligesom retsudvalget havde det.
The motion for a resolution will be put to the vote at the next voting time1.
Det vil være et mærkeligt forhold, hvis jeg efter en påkørsel med en lastbil henvender mig til forsikringsselskabet X, hvor jeg har tegnet en retsbistandsforsikring til 200 gylden per år, mens chaufføren, der var årsag til, at jeg fik kørt begge mine ben af, er forsikret i samme selskab og betaler en præmie på 50 000 gylden per år.
The aims of the Commission proposal were explained by the rapporteur for the Legai Affairs Committee as long ago as the July part-session and I should like therefore, in view of our timetable, to refer to what was said on that occasion and simply explain why our views differ, since our opinion is virtually identical to the draft originally submitted by the rapporteur for the Legal Affairs Committee, which was unfortunately not adopted in the Legal Affairs Committee as an equal number of votes were cast for and against.
Det er indlysende, at det er i forsikringsselskabets interesse, at udbetale mig så lidt som muligt, mens det er min interesse at få så meget som muligt.
My committee and myself, as draftsman of an opinion, have looked into the question of whether this proposal is acceptable from the point of view of the consumer.
Det er grunden til, at jeg for at opretholde et skær af ærlighed for retsplejen, går ind for ordførerens mening. Det er den del af min gruppe, der har rollen som djævelens advokat.
Contrary to the arguments put forward by the Commission in the committee, which were unfortunately repeated by Mr Tugendhat in July, our committee regards the proposal as unacceptable from the joint of view of the consumer.
Det er selvfølgelig nemt at overse hovedformålet med dette forslag.
It is true that the Commission recognizes certain possible conflicts of interests, but the solutions it proposes are completely unsuitable.
Formålet er at åbne forsikringsmarkedet ved at fjerne unødvendige handelsrestriktioner i over ensstemmelse med traktatens artikel 57 og ved øget konkurrence at styrke de europæiske forbrugeres interesser.
Separate management and accounting alone are inadequate to solve the conflict between liability and legal expenses insurance, since the draw ing up of policies and accounting procedures have nothing to do with the actual handling of claims.
Med andre ord Kommissionen tager med den ene hånd, hvad den har givet med den anden. Jeg er ude af stand til at se meningen i denne artikel.
The information which must be given to the insured person under Article 3 (4) would at best bring a conflict of interests to light, but would in no way contribute towards solving such conflicts.
Hvis der er en interessekonflikt, som Seibel-Emmerling har understreget, så opstår denne konflikt i forbindelse med forsikringskrav, og ikke i forbindelse med udstedelse af police.
Quite apart from this, it strikes me as questionable that the insurer should be responsible for advising the insured person of the conflict against his own interests.
Mit ændringsforslag nr. 10 sigter derfor mod at slette forslagets punkt 33.
1-320/81), drawn up by Mr De Gucht on behalf of the Legal Affairs Committee, on the
Seibel-Emmerling understregede behovet for beskyttelse af forbrugeren, jeg er helt enig, men forslagene i udkastet til beslutning er, efter min opfattelse, helt tilstrækkelige.
We should not let the free choice of lawyer, of which Mr Tugendhat made so much, delude us into forget ting that the insured person and his lawyer remain dependent.
Valgfrihed med hensyn til advokat — hvilken større beskyttelse kan forbrugeren have end denne?
After all, in the final reckoning it is the insurer who is responsible for appointing and, above all, paying the lawyer.
Der er indføjet en voldgiftklausul i tilfælde af uenighed, samt en forpligtelse for forsikreren til at
I leave it to your imagination to decide how free and independent this appointment is.
Vi selv har ikke noget at klage over.
proposal from the Commission to the Council (Doc.
I Nederlandene har forsikringsselskaberne endda oprettet en uafhængig 'institution, der yder til skadekomne den bedst mulige retshjælp.
Secondly, the Committee looked into the question of whether the Commission proposals would in fact succeed in their objectives of harmonizing legal expenses insurance and guaranteeing free competition,
henlede opmærksomheden på en evt. interessekonflikt.
dual he may co-sign amendments.
Alle disse ting er efter min opfattelse tilstrækkelige.
I say this because certain comments were passed when we first discussed this report.
De danske erfaringer vakte kun lidt opmærksomhed — selv i retsudvalget. I Danmark er der 4 Vi mio retshjælpspolicer til en befolkning på 5 mio.
I should therefore like to begin by stressing that, in my view, Mr De Gucht is morally and legally at a liberty to do what he has done.
I Det forenede Kongerige, hvor denne form for forsikring er hel ny, er der ingen problemer, og de beskyttelsesforanstaltninger, som Kommissionen har foreslået, går videre, end det er strengt nødvendigt.
Instead, it studied the question from the point of view of the overall interests of the consumers at the level of the European Community and concluded that neither of the objectives would be achieved.
Forbrugeren naturligvis, vi er derfor nødt til at se meget omhyggeligt på, hvilken beskyttelsesforanstaltning der er nødvendig, og hvilken der ikke er det, og de foreslåede er det ikke.
Thus, the committee rejects, by an overwhelming majority, the Commission proposal as it stands and advocates the system of specialization for the protection of the European consumer.
Det er ikke væsentlig videregående end det, Kommissionen foreslår.
I should like, there fore, to try and put forward the two viewpoints as objectively as possible.
Det samme kan opnås, hvis man går ind for forslaget fra Det økonomiske og sociale Udvalg, der som en alternativ løsning foreslår oprettelsen af en juridisk selvstændig virksomhed til behandling af skadesregulering. Det vil gøre artikel 3, stykke 3, obligatorisk og ikke fakultativ.
For my own part, I intend to vote in favour of the amendments by Mr Geurtsen and Mr De Gucht etc. for the simple reason that proceed ings are more likely to be conducted in an honest manner if, in the case of conflicting interests, several different lawyers can be brought in.
Dette stand punkt stemmer helt overens med min opfattelse, og jeg har derfor intet at indvende mod forslaget fra Det økonomiske og sociale Udvalg, idet jeg dog tager afstand fra det standpunkt, at man kan spare advokatomkostninger.
It is a strange state of affairs that, if I am run over by a lorry, I should go to company X to whom I pay Dfl 200 per year for legal expenses insurance, whereas the driver who has knocked my legs off is insured with the same company and pays an annual premium of Dfl 50 000.
Hvis en advokat er nødvendig for at varetage en forsikringstagers interesser, må det stå ham frit at søge sådan bistand.
Obviously, it is in the interests of the insurance company to pay me as little as possible whereas I am out to get as much as I can.
På den måde forstår jeg i artikel 5 ordene »repræsentere og forsvare« som vartetage forsikringstagerens interesser.
This is why, therefore, I support the opinion of the rapporteur in the interests of a semblance of honesty in the legal process.
Bistand af en juridisk rådgiver kan være tvingende nødvendig, også uden om proceduren.
That then is the view of this section of my Group as devil's advocate.
Hr. formand, vore ændringsforslag er ikke kommet igennem i retsudvalget, fordi der var stemmelighed.
The committee would also welcome a situation where by no financial links were permitted between legal expenses insurers and other insurance companies.
Jeg håber, at afstemningen i forsamlingen vil ændre det. Europas forbrugere har krav herpå.
In view of the degree of institutional separation between parent and subsidiary companies, the possible negative effects would appear to be substantially smaller than in the case of the Commission proposal.
Det er blevet nævnt, især med henblik på tyske for sikringsselskaber, at det er nødvendigt med et specialiseret selskab for denne form for forsikring.
Those people who intend to vote against the amendments and hence in favour of the Commission proposal point out that the company itself endeavours to be as honest as possible in defending the interests of both parties.
Jeg forstår ikke hvorfor — et selskab, som er specialiseret i denne form for forsikring løber en lige så stor risiko for at komme i en konfliktsituation som et multibrancheforsikringsselskab.
In the Netherlands, the insurance companies have even set up an independent foundation the function of which is to see to it that, in matters involving legal expenses, the interests of the injured parties are defended as well as possible.
Et specialiseret selskab styrker ikke forbrugerens interesser, det medfører større omkostninger, det begrænser konkurrencefriheden inden for Fælles skabet, og af de grunde håber jeg, at Parlamentet vil vedtage mit ændringsforslag nr. 10.
The amendments I have tabled on behalf of the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection reflect precisely the views adopted by an overwhelming majority, and the amendments tabled by members of the Legal Affairs Committee, such as Mr Sieglerschmidt, Mr Luster and the rapporteur, Mr De Gucht, are more in line with the view expressed in our amendments.
Bortset fra det vil vi i min gruppe støtte Kommissionens forslag.
My Committee would like to thank Mr De Gucht for taking due account of our views in the original version of his report which, as I said before, was unfortunately rejected as the votes were equally divided.
Formanden. har ordet.
In the interests of the European consumers, I recommend this House to adopt these amendments.