Beyond the Beef Beyond the Beef is a in " " . Description . Well known rancher Heck Gunderson asks the Courier to track down his son Ted , who has disappeared in the Ultra - Luxe Casino Hotel . Ted was kidnapped by Mortimer of the White Glove Society , in an attempt to return the White Glove Society to cannibalism . Warning : This quest is tied to Pheeble Will . If choosing the vengeful way to kill Heck Gunderson and / or his son , depending on your choices , it is possible to fail one of the two quests . Detailed walkthrough . In the Ultra - Luxe casino you ' ll find Heck Gunderson , a wealthy brahmin baron , sitting at the bar and upset about his missing son . After questioning the purpose of his visit , you can offer assistance in finding his son , Ted Gunderson . Then go talk with Marjorie , one of the managers of the Ultra - Luxe Casino & Hotel , located at the Gourmand restaurant and learn that a bride went missing in the hotel , which is damaging their reputation . At some point in the conversation she will inform you that the White Glove Society were cannibals , but this practice is now forbidden . You have the option to tell her that you are a cannibal too , as a lie ( unless you have the Cannibal perk ) , which does not impress her and will lead to White Glove Society infamy . After you inform her that you are looking for another man , much to her disbelief , she will tell you to find the other manager , Mortimer . When talking to Mortimer you have several options . Working with Mortimer . Mortimer is very displeased that the Society is denying their basic impulses and wishes the return of the old practices . For this , he will arrange a banquet in which members will be served meals prepared with human flesh . For this purpose he arranged a kidnapping , but the victim was able to escape . Having to find a substitute at the last minute , he kidnapped Ted Gunderson , son of Heck Gunderson , a very powerful brahmin baron . Mortimer wants to get rid of Ted in a way that doesn ' t leave any suspicion of the Ultra - Luxe ; or , if it ' s not possible , kill Ted and use him as a meal , framing his father for the death . If you want to spare Ted ' s life you have to provide a substitute for the banquet , which can be one of your human companions " if you give this suggestion to him " or the original victim that was able to escape , Carlyle St . Clair III . Note , that you can ' t use imitation strange pie for this task . He then will provide keys for the Ultra - Luxe freezer , Gourmand kitchen and Ultra - Luxe Penthouse , as well as a . Return Ted to his father and find a substitute for the banquet . The next step is to find a substitute for the banquet . You may either : Sacrifice one of your human companions by going to the kitchen and locking them in the freezer . This will end the quest ( be sure to take all equipment they are carrying ) . or : Travel to Carlyle St . Clair ' s house and convince Carlyle to go to the Ultra - Luxe , or knock him unconscious and put his body in a dumpster close to his house . His home is located close to Freeside North Entrance ; travel to the gate and follow the road between north and northeast in a straight line . There are many ways to deal with Carlyle St . Clair . You can convince him to go to the Ultra - Luxe with a 65 speech check ; if you have the Black Widow perk you can propose to have sex with him in the dumpster ; with 45 guns you can pistol - whip him ; asking him about himself will reveal he was black - labeled by his family and with a 45 speech you can convince him that the White Glove Society can clean his name ; asking about a pain he has in the neck will lead to a 7 Strength , 45 Medicine or 45 Unarmed that will knock him unconscious . If you don ' t have any of these skills , use a cattle prod that Mortimer provided to you ( make sure that your companions are away if not they may accidentally kill him ) . Drag his body to the dumpster and place him inside . It should be noted that if you have the cannibal perk , devouring him will make you fail the quest . Go back to Mortimer after dealing with St . Clair , or your companion , and gain 500 XP and a huge boost of Strip and White Glove Society fame . This concludes the quest and the White Glove will return to cannibalism after the 7PM banquet . ALTERNATIVELY : You can steal or gain through dialogue a recipe from the head chef , Philippe , that will let you create a human flesh alternative to fool Mortimer and all the White Glove members ( 55 Barter check will get you his recipe , 55 Medicine check will get you his recipe and the key to the freezer where they ' re keeping Ted ) . This will result in Mortimer revealing himself at the banquet without the player having to kill anyone , not even the cook . This is possible if the player can pass a Barter , Medicine or Speech check to get the recipes and remove the cook without having to kill him . Create the dish , and wait until 7 PM for the banquet to begin . Use the intercom to call the head waiter . When the waiter arrives you must either be disguised as a member of the White Glove Society or hidden out of sight , otherwise he will become hostile . If you plan on freeing Ted and exposing Mortimer , talk to him only after the head waiter has left the room , preferably the area , because he will be hostile if Ted is following you . Use the direct route to the banquet hall , and sneak while you enter , because the White Glove members will be hostile to you . Wait for Mortimer to finish his speech , walk up to him , stand up and quickly talk to him , because otherwise your companions and Ted will attack the bouncer , causing the entire room to become hostile to you . Expose Mortimer ' s plan , and talk to Marjorie for your boost to White Glove Society fame . You also gain Strip fame if you persuade ( 35 Speech ) Heck Gunderson not to stop selling brahmin meat to White Glove society . Kill Ted , and frame his father for the murder . If you want to complete the quest Pheeble Will and receive a very nice reward from both Mortimer and Walter Phebus , killing Ted is advantageous . Accept the quest from Walter but don ' t accept any of the barter checks . Go back to the Ultra - Luxe and tell Mortimer that you want to help him ( you may have to lie to him ) . Mortimer will give you a key that lets you enter the kitchen basement . A White Glove Society guard will ask what you are doing , inform him that Mortimer wishes to get rid of the kid . Open the freezer and talk to Ted . You have the option to talk a little or simply tell him that you are finishing what the White Gloves started , which will cause him to turn hostile . After killing Ted , collect a bit of blood and some remains from the corpse to frame his father . Note : This option is still available if you lie about your intention when agreeing to help Mortimer , but keep in mind that you mustn ' t agree to help Heck Gunderson find his son when asking what he is doing in the Ultra - Luxe in the quest Pheeble Will or the option to help Mortimer frame Heck will not appear . But even then it is still possible to go with this option by simply going about the quest to help Mortimer and kill Ted anyway , as the quest will simply advance to the part of framing Heck as soon as Ted is dead . With the false evidence in your inventory , go to the Ultra - Luxe Penthouse . The penthouse can be accessed from an elevator located in a room behind Mortimer ' s desk . There will be two body - guards in the suite which you can kill without Karma penalty . Distribute the blood and remains of Ted in the bed and in the bathroom sink . Then go to the Strip and inform a securitron that a murder happened in the Ultra - Luxe . After making a surreal and mocking speech about the law , the securitron will proceed to arrest Heck Gunderson , who will resist and end up being killed . Proceed to Mortimer for your reward of 500 XP , Strip and White Glove Society fame , and the result of the White Glove Society returning to cannibalism after the 7PM banquet . After talking to Mortimer , go back to Walter for an additional reward of 200 XP and 1 , 500 caps . Extra info : This method will permit the courier to complete the entire line of tasks in Render Unto Caesar . Following the Investigator . There is also a way to save Ted " and " prevent the White Glove Society from returning to cannibalism : When you talk to Marjorie about the disappearance of Ted , she tells you that an investigator was looking for clues about a missing bride who had stayed at the hotel , then she directs you to Mortimer . After inquiring Mortimer about the investigator , he gives you a key to the investigator ' s room . If you ask about the White Glove Society ' s reputation of cannibalism , you have the opportunity to lie with 62 Speech or use the Cannibal perk to tell him that you are also a cannibal . Mortimer will reveal his plan to you and request that you help him . If you agree to help without lying , you will not be able to obtain the note Matchbook from the dead investigator or meet with Chauncey . If you lie about helping , Mortimer will give you the Penthouse key , kitchen key , and freezer key . Go to the investigator ' s room , located in the Ultra - Luxe Hotel rooms . You will discover that the investigator is dead . Search his body for the matchbook note , which will tell you that he had a meeting with someone in the Ultra - Luxe steam room at 4PM . Two White Glove Society members will appear and attack with dress cane s . After dealing with them , head to the steam room and wait until 4PM . In the steam room , you will meet Chauncey , a member of the White Glove Society who wants to stop Mortimer from returning to cannibalism . He tells you that a banquet at 7PM will serve a meal made with human flesh and that Mortimer is behind the disappearance of Ted Gunderson . Mortimer ' s plan is to make a speech telling the White Glove Society what they ate so they will pass the taboo and return to cannibalism . Chauncey doesn ' t know where Ted is , but he suspects that he is being held in the Members - Only section of the Ultra - Luxe . Chauncey warns you that if Ted is seen in the hotel , the other members will attack to protect their secret . He gives two suggestions for freeing Ted : Chauncey recommends the second approach , since the first would only be a temporary solution , and it would not prevent Mortimer from trying again in the future . Right after you say bye , an assassin will appear and kill Chauncey . Note : Chauncey is scripted to die . Even if you kill the assassin before a single shot is fired against Chauncey , he will still die instantly as if he had been shot . After dealing with the assassin , proceed to the Gourmand . If your reputation on the Strip is " accepted " or better , Marjorie will sponsor you as a member and give you and a key to the Members - Only section . Behind the bar is a door to the kitchen that can be lockpicked , or use the key if it was provided by Mortimer earlier ( or take the long way from the casino floor to the Members - Only section and through the door behind the bar to the kitchen . ) In the upper level are two White Glove members torching meat with . There are 6 pieces of infected brahmin meat on the counters . Use the elevator or head down the stairs to the basement . There is a White Glove Society member patrolling the hallway . If he sees you and asks what you are doing in the basement , you can lie with 55 Speech and say that Mortimer wants to move the kid , or you can choose a 35 Repair check to convince him that you are a plumber checking for leaks . Go down the hall and look for the kitchen where the executive chef , Philippe , is located ( there is a Recipes - Brahmin Wellington on the counter ) . To free Ted , you can use either the freezer key or the terminal next to the freezer door ( at a loss of Karma , ) but you must deal with Philippe first . There are several things that can be done : If you wish to cook imitation strange meat pie and expose Mortimer , you will need Philippe ' s recipes and 6 Intelligence or 75 Survival to improvise one . If you wish to make drugged wine , you need a Med - X and 25 Medicine . ( If you need a Med - X , you can try to find one in a first aid kit , although it is rare . There are three first aid kit s in the basement : one in each of the two adjacent basement kitchens , and one in the storage room next to the bathroom . ) There is a wine bottle you can examine on a shelf above the stove in Philippe ' s kitchen , and another wine bottle on a table in the wine cellar room ( in the room next to the other kitchen . ) You only need to drug one bottle , but it cannot be taken despite the red steal message . However , you can pickpocket the head waiter while he is carrying it ; the members at the banquet still end up being drugged . ( This makes it possible to keep both the drugged wine and imitation strange meat pie in your inventory , if you also cook the fake food and " steal " it . ) After cooking the food or drugging the wine , wait until 7PM ( when the dinner guests arrive , ) then use the intercom to call the head waiter to come down and collect the wine / meal . If did not sponsor you as a White Glove Society member earlier , disguise yourself in White Glove attire before the head waiter arrives , or stay hidden so that he does not become hostile . ( For whatever reason , sometimes the waiter stops in front of the kitchen door when told to pick up the wine ; to fix this , just close the door , and he ' ll retrieve the second bottle in the wine cellar . ) It ' s also advisable to free Ted after the head waiter has left , since seeing Ted will turn the waiter hostile . When you open the door , Ted will be very upset , demanding to know who did this to him . You have three options : say there ' s no time to explain , tell him the truth , or lie and say you don ' t know who did it . In order to gain White Glove Society fame when the quest ends , don ' t tell Ted ( or his father ) the truth , so choose " There ' s no time to explain " or lie to him . Have Ted follow you out of the kitchen and to the right , being careful to make sure the waiter isn ' t still walking back . Follow the stairs up and go through the door to the White Glove private dining area ( if you ' re not a member you ' ll need to use a key from Marjorie or Mortimer , or pick the lock ) . If the waiter took the wine , everyone will be comatose . You can loot the bodies , Mortimer being among them . If the waiter took the fake meal , crouch down and hide behind the bar until Mortimer finishes his speech . Note : You must wait for him to finish his banquet speech with the words " bon appetit " before you approach Mortimer . Doing so beforehand will cause the other White Gloves to become hostile to you . As soon as Mortimer finishes , simply jump over the counter , run over to him and initiate dialogue . Exposing him will cause him to flee , but the other diners - the ones who might otherwise have attacked you - should remain neutral . If you are successfully able to attack Mortimer after exposing him but before he flees the room , the other diners may collectively mob Mortimer and assist you in killing him . Afterwards , talk to Marjorie to receive White Glove Society fame . At this point you can either return Ted to his father , or you can carry out the revenge path of Pheeble Will as detailed in the section above . To complete the quest peacefully , return with Ted to his father . If you didn ' t lie to Ted in the freezer , he will tell his father what happened and Heck will want to impose a blockade of food on the Strip . You have the option to not let this happen with a 35 Speech check , which will lead to Strip fame . If you are unable to pass the check , you will gain infamy . If you lied to Ted in the freezer ( or said there wasn ' t time to explain ) , his father asks who was behind the kidnapping . If you tell the truth , you have to pass the same 35 Speech check , but this time you will only gain Strip fame . If you lie to him , you will gain both Strip fame and White Glove Society fame . You also get 500 XP and 500 caps for completing the quest . The Bloodthirsty Courier . You also have the unmarked option to apply Wasteland manners in the pedant face of the White Glove Society , if you don ' t mind the possibility of being vilified by them . Follow the quest as detailed in the " Following the Investigator " section above , but after discovering from Chauncey the plans regarding Ted , the courier has the unmarked option to tell Heck Gunderson what ' s happening . After you have given Heck the news , he offers a different solution : simply shoot everyone in your way and return Ted to him . He provides you with a and some shells . Note that if you do this , you can kill all of the White Gloves in the casino with no Karma loss and never have your weapons taken again . You can even go into the cashier ' s office and clean it out to get your possessions back , suffering only minor Karma loss for opening / stealing things . Then you will have all your weapons and can continue the quest uninterrupted , although you may want to disguise as a White Glove to prevent unwanted attacks . Just be sure not to kill Marjorie or Mortimer or the quest will fail . Even after all the killing , once you complete the quest you may still go from hated to idolized by the White Gloves . Once you return Ted to his father the quest is completed , and you gain 500 XP and 500 caps from Heck .