for we expect Helen, wife of Menelaus, in Manchester too!!! The UpHOLLANDS!!!!!!!!!!!! That's a no-name-mark coming at you, emailer Patterson. As Rochdale is part of Salford , I can't help but recall the Salyes Ligurians to the side of the Languedoc theater. I mention Languedoc, not just because the Roquefeuils were