2003 to 2005 what is now R1b1b2 was designated R1b3. From 2005 to 2008 it was R1b1c. This subgroup, may have existed before the last Ice Age , but can be seen as much younger. Another estimate for R1b1b2 arising is around 5,000 to 8,000 years ago. 10/13/09 1) Given that DYS393