and Lord President of the Council), Eric Forth (Shadow Leader of the House of Commons), interviewed by James Naughtie , “Iraq” (BBC Radio 4 , Today , Thursday June 5 2003 , 6-9am at 8:10-8:27 a.m.) {BBCcat 90sx1322 } , audio { 17:19 } , copy (Thielmann only) { 3:48 ,