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TESTIMONY OF MARCHETTI, VICTOR

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met him, I only saw him on the TV a few months aro, he looks

like a broken man, he did that day anyway. But he was

a very.

mysterious, very -

MR: OLSEN: To use the house term, he was a spook?

MR. MARCHETTI: Yes. He was a very exotic character.

And all kinds of stories float around about Jim Angleton. And

I am sure that some are nothing more than apocryphal and some

are pure rumor.

What intrigued me about this Runge thing is that

subsequently another reporter - and this time the guy identi

fied the man he had been talking to - the man he had been

talking to was Bill Harvey, who was one of the people respon-

sible for exposing Philby, in fact Philby gives Harvey the

credit in his book under a pseudonym - that Harvey said to

tuyers yes, the Agancy - to this reporter -- yes, the

Agency has been penatrated, it may even, be now -- he made some

pompous sta

ements of that nature. But then when the guy tried

to dig deeper, Harvey held him at arm's length.

MR. OLSEN:

Who is Harvey?

MR. MARCHETTI: Bill Harvey was a scenario officer.

He had been,

among other things chietrot Basein Bernan

the cold

He had been Head of the Cuban task force.

MR. OLSEN: Which Cuban task force do you refer to

now?

The one that was organized --

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Soviet defectors and peoplu who clain to be and have subse

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MARCHERI: You mean

found to be illegitimate

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MR. OLSIU: No, found to be legitimate defectors

vell, either way.

MR. MARCHRODI: Hell, they would turn up from time to

tine.

Usually I didn't have any direct dealings. They

were

handled by the Clandestine services. But vou would know the

case.

There is the famous case of

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who said that he was a KGB plant

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and he is the one that many people on the

extreme right like to point to as having identified all kinds

of agents within the US Government. Eventually I got to the

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nefis the tsaravitch, he had survived the shooting,

and the legal claim and the throne.

At this point you don't know if the guy

was nuts all

along, and I don't now what the official thinking about it

at the Agency is.

But there have beon anumber of others over the years.

There is

colone

MR. OLSON: How do you spell his name.

MR. MARCHETTI:

These names are a matter of record. YOu will have

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defecoers which pon believe to be questionable as to whether

or not it comes within the charter of the CIA?

MIR. MARCHETTI: No..

As

I say, I have no first hand

knowleige on this subject.

You remember the

case?

MR. OLSEN: Yes.

You mentioned that in your book, I

believe, don't you?

MR. MARCHETTI: I was in the Agency at the time that

happened, but I kner practically nothing about it in the Agency

For one reason, I didn't pay any attention to it.. I had no

reason to. But it was after getting out of the Agency.

This happened to be a case where

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absolute innocence, and said that he was franed, and it was

other reasons, because he didn't see eve to eye with

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MR. OLSE: you don't know the story behind that, I

take it?

MR. MARCHETTI: No. But you could find out. I don't

know what the Agency was doing. All I know is that Helms

submitted some sort of affidavit which the judge accepted, and

on the basis of that the case was

resolver in favor of Rouse.

He had to idneitify Rouse an being in the Agency's employ and

acting under orders from the Agency. The reasons why, they

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seem to work properly except in the US. And I am wondering what

kind of use in the us you might be aware of?

MR. MARCHATTI: That wasn't what I meant by that.

What I meant was, it worked good under laboratory conditions

here, but when I would take it out to the field, it wouldn't

work.

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MR. ROETHE: You weren't referring to any use of these

beams here in the US?

MR. MARCHETTI: No, I was not.

But that is that system that people are talking about

now,

the laser people bugging system, where they can get

building across the street there and direct a beam here and

pick it up. It has become quite popular in recent years, at

least they talk about it.

MRo OLSEN: YOu mean in the spy literature?

MR. MARCHETTI: Yes.

MRO ROETHE: At page 196 you refer to monitoring of

embassy traffic from Maryland and Virginia.

to CIA's activity in monitoring. OsNSA?

MR. MARCHETTI:

NSA!

Were you referring

MR. ROFTHE: You are not aware of any CIA activity of

this nature?

MR. MARCHETTI: No, not here in this country.

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MR. ROETHE:

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capabilities of the SAmin its technical field,

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