INTERVIEW OF JUAN FALCON TAMAR, UNDER ARREST IN CUBA, ALLEGED NATIONAL COORDIANTOR OF THE 'MOVIMIENTO DE RECUPERACION REVOLUCIONARIA' (M.R.R.) IN CUBA.
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Interview of Juan FALCON Tanar, under arrest in Cuba, alloged National

Coordinator of the "lovimiento de Rocupcracion Revolucionaria" (M.R. R.)

In Cuba.

SOURCE:

Cuban "RADIO REBELDE" station, 17 July 1962, 8:00 20i.

The prisonor is introduced by Luis GOli languemert, and the panel of

newspapermen is composed by: Carlos FiANQUI, Director of "REVOLUCION" newspapc,

and iaul VALDES Vivo, Sub-Director of "HOY" newspaper.

GOMEZ:

You are here before newspapermen to answer questions out of your own free

will, or have ben coerced in any way to come tonight?

FALCON:

Completoly voluntarily.

GONEL:

Then would you like to make us a narration of your activities in the li.i.h.

FALCON: The M.R.ll. Was foundod in late 1959 by Manuel ARlIE and a scries of other

elements. In those days I began as a rank member, working in the propaganda

field. I used to write a bit in the newspaper of the Novement, and also

distributed the nevspaper and other things, and more or less in that way.

Of that period I have little to say because I was a rank member and had

no access to the plans of the Movement. After Giron, after the 17th of

April Playa Giron Invasion, most of the menbers of the exccutive of the

Movement went into asylum or left Cuba. Then those of us who were rank

members passed to occupy the positions of the directive to try to reorganize

it. In this case I entered the directive of the Movement. It is then that

I can talk with more details about the directive of the Movement. I think:

that you should ask me

about sonething specifically.

FRANQUI: After Playa Giron you entered the direction of the Mi.f.R., and what position

did you first occupy in that direction?

FALCON:

First I was Organization Secretary and lator I becane the National Director

of the lovement.

FRANQUI: What main counterrevolutionary

activities did you blural? accomplish after

Playa Giron?

FALCON

We ongaged in performing a sories of sabotages, such as burning the "Petro-

quimica" of Cotorro.

A plan to destroy national transport in general.

We destroyed 3 buses of route 33.

We also had a plan for the systematic

destruction of the economy which includod, among other things, the poisoning

of cattle.

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What can you toll.us about the assassination attumpt against Carlos jafael

RODRIGUEZ?

FALCON:

We learned through the newspapers that Carlos lafael was going to give a

lecture in the

• "Fausto" theater of Matanzas. We surmised that he was going

to go by the Via Blanca highway and we set up a surveillance.

When Carlos

Rafael left an automobile of ours was traveling ahead of him and made a sign

to an individual

whon we had posted on the highway, indicating that Carlos

Rafael's automobile was coming behind. Then the individual trid to

intercept the autonobile and he was shot at, with the known results that the

individual whom we had posted there was killed.

VALDES:

You have said something in rolation to countoriovolutionary activitios.

Who organized these activities? Was there sone conncction betwcen the 1...k.

and the Central

Intelligence Agency?

FALCON:

At first during a stage ve thought... Let me emlain a bit in detail.

le thought that ve could carry out this fight alone, but little by little

we became avare that we were falling into the hands of the North American

Government and that they helped us, not with disinterest but with the

interest of again controlling the Republic as they had controlled it until

1 January 1959.

GOMEZ:

And how far did the intervention of the Central Intelligence Agency reaci

in the Movement which you directed?

FALCON: Well, it reached quite a high degree. For cranple, to appoint a dircctive

in recent days, or the chief of a national secretariat of the lovement, wo

had to make a consultation over there to see if they approved or disapproved

tho individual. Another crample which I could give you so that you might

realize the degree of subjection which ve have reached with regard to then,

is that in the probich of communications we had always been concerned with

being able to connunicate with the ovenent abroad, that is, with the leii

in exile. For this objective once ve thought of buying radio and radio

telegraphy equipment to communicate dirictly vith then over there. lovever,

we could not do it because the people from over there told us that if the

Americans would learn that we were communicating vith then directly vithout

counting on thc C.I.A. that we were going to have a big problu: and that

they would cut off all assistance. To communicate over there we had a

telegraphy plant, radio-telegraphy, which comnunicated directly with a C.I.A.

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vase. Then through this base we would pass the messages which te wanted

to send to the Movement. Out of that nessage the Americans would tell what

they wanted to the members of the lovement, and keep to themselves what they

did not want to say. And if

they wanted our people could not send a message

to us from over there. In view of this we tried to establish direct

conmunications without C.I.A. intermodiation. However, it was not possiole

Ior us to do this. Apparently they did not permit it.

FRANQUI: You said that you

had become organized because you were going to fight against

the revolution of the people.

FALCON: Yes.

FUNQUI: ind then you referred to the intervention of imperialism's C.I.A. When did

that happen? Before Playa Giron or after?

FALCON:. Well, an exact date cannot be determined. It vas rather a gradual process

which grew more and more. And lately ve were practically.... Well, later

they convinced us that the Revolution was practically invincible.

GOMEZ: And to what do you attribute the invincibility of the Revolution?

FALCON: To a very large popular support.

VALDES:

You speak of the connection with the Central Intelligence Agency. What

resources was thu C.I.A. facilitating to you?

FAICON: Well, in the first place it gave us moncy. Part of the money with which we

functioned we raised hore, and part camc from over there at first. By this

time practically everything was coming from over there.

FRANQUI: Did the collections which you have over here decrease?

FALCON: Yes. For example, another connection is a tclegraphy plant, the one which

I mentioned previously and which we uscd to communicate with then over there.

Facilities to exfiltrato porsons from Cuba, that is, clandestine elements,

individuals who were "burned". This was on the basis of ships which came to

pick them up and many promises of arns, savotago matcrials, and anotior

scries of things.

GOMEZ:

You mentioncd ships. What kind of ships?

FALCON:

Well, some boats which cone hore.

GOMEZ:

Did they come here to the coasts of Cuba?

FALCON: Yes.

GO-IC'Z:

there did they cone from?

FALCON: From Miami.

GOri5Z:

Manned by whom?

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FALCON: Well, in some cases by menbers of thu Movoment, and in other cases by

Porth Anericans.

FHANQUI: You mentioned comunications. What typo of equipment did the c.I.A. give you?

FALCON: A telegraphy

equipment of the ones which they use for their cspionage

activitios in other countries. It is a non connercial tclegraphy equipment.

A small equipment which can operate practically anywhere. lc used this

to communicate with over there on the basis of a telegraphy system in code

directly to a CiI.A. base.

VALDES:

And what about the assassination plot against liajor laul CASTiO with the

participation of Guantanamo Naval Base?

FALCON:

Well, that was the 26th of July of last year. That wasn't specifically a plan

of ours. It was a plan invented by the C.I.A. with the participation of some

organizations, ours wasn't the only one. The plan contemplated various parts.

That is, it contemplated an assassination attempt against Fidel and the

Cabinet which was going to gather in the Civic Plaza on the 26th of July of

last year. On the other part it included an assassination attempt against

Raul CASTRO in Santiago de Cuba and nothor series of sabotages coriclated to

this, such as paralyzing the "lectric Company, a self-aggression in

Guantanamo Naval Base, and a few other smaller scale things.

FRANQUI: And there was no participation in the plans to burn the "Petroquimico" of

Cotorro?

FALCON: Yes, that was done by our organization.

GOMEZ: Could you give me an explanation about the sabotage of the "Petroquimica"

of Cotorro?

FALCON: iell, there we used matorials manufactured by us. Practically no materials

received fron abroad, that is from the U.S., were used there. A chemical

preparation of some capsules which burned immediately was made.

GOLIEZ:

FALCON:

What other sabotage plans did you have?

That of destroying sonc "Compania de Omnibus Aliados" bus company plants.

We have the plan for the systematic destruction of the econony, which

contenplated, anong other things as I already told you, poisoning cattle

with potasium cyanide.

VIVO:

And how did you burn buses?

FAICON: With incendiary cigarctte cases.

VIVO:

Simulating cigarette packs?

FALCON: Yes, more or less.

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F.UNQUI: You have mentioned a series of countcrrovolutionary actions perforned ly

you.. You have mentioned that you had a certain succoss in that of cotorro.

You failed in the assassination attempt of Corlos lafacl and could not

accomplish the assassination attempts of the leading figures of the Revolution

Which causes prevented you iron accomplishing them?

FALCON:

lie didn't have time. The repartment of security of the Stats arrested

practically all

of us.

FRANQUI: But thos assassination plots nappened in different times.

FALCON: No, we vere planning that now.

FRANQUI: But, for oxample, that assassination attent with the participation of

organization by thu C.I.Á., and in which various counterrevolutionary organ-

izations participated, such as the one of the zúth of July. What prevented

its accomplisiment?

FALCON:

The same rcason. The Department of Sccurity of the State arrosted all key

individuals a fow days carlicr.

GOLiEZ:

That is, in various cases and in various sabotage plans which you nad, the

Department of Sucurity of the State anticipated you and arrested those who

vere in couplicity to accomplish them?

FALCON: In many of then.

FIANQUI: You uscd to face many difficulties regarding the accomplishmont of those

plans. How did you feel? wasn't it dificult for you to accomplish these

actions?

FALCON: Nell, a plan must be studica and an attompt must be made to carry it out.

That is, a surveillance of the individual must ve set up anu see what is tie

most appropriato placo to carry it out, and see whether it is possible or not.

FUNQUI: Yes, that is natural in any typo of action of that naturo. But I vas roferrin:

to the fact that the percentage of actions which you have acconplished is very

small, and het you attunpted many, and you say that one of the causes is that

the Departrient of Scourity of the State intervened in time. But is there any

other cause which prevented you from accomplishing counterrevolutionary

activities?

FALCON:

vell, in general a scries of difficultics, such as the discouragement anong

the ranks of the novement.

FINQUI: Causod by what?

FALCON:

Cause by the subjection to the North American Contral Intelligonce Agency.

Undoubtedly,

we were fighting not with the idea of being subjected to a

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forcign povor to whom in the future we would again have to surrunder the

nation to then This hel; which they would promise to give us and which

they gave us gradually, was being conditioned. That is, it way be said

that we naively thought they would give it to us with disinterest, that is,

without asicing anything in return. But later ve realized that it wasn't so,

that they were giving us this help in exchange for something, in eichange

that in the future we would surrender our sovereignty and our nation to thin.

For this reason arose a sort of discouragement anong tic ranks of the liovement

until about the end of last year we even thought of dissolving the Movement

completely

FILAIQUI: But the Playa Giron failure wasn't also a determining factor?

FALCON:

Yes, Playa Giron was one of the determining causes. That is, the dustiny

of North American Inperialisn was also scen in Playa Giron.

FRANQUI: Although it was also seen how popular it is to fight against the revolution.

FALCO: Yes, exactla" you arivan Invasion which was crushad in less than 12 hours.

GaEz: And when/fouxwrived at the conclusion that you were serving as instrument

of the United Statcs and of lorth American Impurialisn?

FALCON:

dell, already quitc sone time ago. The problem is that one occomes avare of

it but it secms that it is too late to turn back. I lould lie to stress

this. Basically that is one of the reasons why I asliod to conc here.

The

majority of the conspirators who arc now on the streets, the rank members

of our lovenent who are still on the strects, have a diffcrent idea about the

fight. That is, they think that ve are not rcally what ve are, a branch of

the North American Central Intelligence Agency. Then they think that and .

continue in the fight. However, those of us wio are in tic dircction,

and I say that for my case specifically, when I was a ran: nonbor of the

Hovement and engaged in distributing propaganda, when I would spond the

entire day distributing propaganda fron horning till night, and when I

finished I

belicved that I had done a great deal for Cuba, I believed that

I had worlied torribly hard for cuba and that I had done the best which I

could and had boon vorting for a just cause. "hen I becamc a dircotivi of

the Movement I realized that it wasn't so, and now I realize that we were

completely subjected to North American Imperialism and that we vorc not going

to attain any of the ideas, any of the objcctives for which we wure fighting.

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VIVO:

Of course, it isn't nocussary to say that us conradis hure believe in

the candor of themmiers of that counterrovolutionary organization as nuch

as we believe in the disintercst of the Central Intelligence Agency. In

order to avoid entering into an unnecessary debate we want to specify that

you have spolien of assassinations, of sabotages against popular economy.

What participation have

you had in the assistance of bands of insurgents

who made the Escambray a lnife....of the country?

FALCON:

Well, practically the sane participation as the other organizations.

That is,

if we could give a basically financial assistance, because vc had nothing

else, we would give it to them, if we were able.

FRANQUI: But you mentioned here

that the collections which you obtained from internal

counterrevolutionary groups had greatly decreasca, occause you had to resort

nore each time to the icly which you receivid from the Unitod States. In what

form did you reccive that assistance?

FALCON:

The assistance was roceived on the basis of changes, that is, change

operations. They would place "z" dollars over thore to a private individual

over there and we received the equivalent nore from another individual.

FRANQUI: They! Whom?

FALCON: The Americans.

VIVO:

How did the change of currency affect these operations?

FALCON: Well, at that time it didn't affect us very nuch. He changed practically

all the money which the Movement had. We put all the militants of the lovenen

to change money•

FRANQUI: In llavana, did Lthe docrease of your collections have anything to do vith

the fact that the elements of the rich and bourgeois class left for the U.S?

FALCON: I thin': that in a large part.

FUNQUI: That is, you roccived money from rich people?

FALCON: Yes.

FINQUI: And whon those people left you had loss collections?

FALCON: Practically, yes.

VIVO:

Do you want to say something about psychological varfare, about the problch

of the rumors?

FALCON: Yes. I an going to say something about tho propaganda of that affair of

parental authority over children. In genoral we had a big particivation

in that affair because ve sincerely launched a propaganda campaign trying

to male then desperate with that runor wich had becn started regarding

parental authority.

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corise:

Do you now this inscrun nt?

InCo: Yos, it is a stamp for falo: drivr's liconsus.

That is, for the forgery of this type of driver's license. ind this type

of driv.r's licenses which you used, where was it made, hure or in the U.S?

FALCON: In the U.s.

It vas sent to you by the sentral Intelligence igency?

FALCON: Ycs.

FRANGUI: You have mentioned a surius of activitics regarding emplosives, assistanci,

communications, you also sail that the plans had to iu discussed by the C.I.A.:

training of directives, and you also mentioned the poisoning of livestoch.

Could you give us an explanation?

FALCON: You linow that thore is a roat shortage and that this is a problom nos faced

by the revolution. Then le tried to coopcrate to that. That is, it is

sort of a plan to systematically destroy the econony.

FALCON:

That is preciscly what I vanted to cone to, iccause no one paid any attention

to Reinold.

Then everyone thought that up to a cortain point reinold had not

been sincere.

That is, that he had cone herc cosreed by the lepariment of

security of the itate to make that appearanc:.

GONEZ:

Do you allo! me a question? Do you have a diffuront opinion nol:?

FALCON: Completely different?

GAIZ: Why?

FALCON: In view of the treatment which I have reccived in the Dopartment of jecurity

of the State and in view of the nuthods which I have scen then uso. einold

said that he had been under surveillance for six months, and no one believed

it No one believed that a national coordinator of the movement would be

kept si: months on the streets under surveillance. I can affirm that I nave

beon under surveillance for nine months. In the departnont of security of the

Stato they proved my life since nine nonths ago. They have told me things,

such as the brand of cigarittes which I smo.ud up to the movic thcater which

I usually visited.

FiNQUI: I want to say something to you, iccause mayy. now another counterrevolutionary

deceived as you say or believe, is going to thin!: about you the same which you

thought about icinold. Then we are going to leave the evidence for the neit

time when you conc here, becauss little by little everyone has seen how all

counterrevolutionary organizations are boing liquidated by the revolution.

That

is, in the end what mattors is not the appreciation of what you said oi

did not say, what mattors are the presentations.

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FALCoN: I beliuve, li. MulQuI, that when they see those

two cases pople will pay

norc attention to us.

FRANQUI: But it isn't two cases. Tierc are nany more. They triod to rise in the

lscanbray and they were crushed. They can: to Playa Giron and they were

crushed. They attompted sabotages in "il Incanto" storo, otc. and they were

liquidatod. leinold cane and he was liquidated. They have attenytod to

infiltrate through different parts of tho country and have been liquidated.

so 'it isn't two

cases, but many morc.

FALCON:

But look; the problem of the individual who is now conspiring in the stroets

is that he cannot turn back. That is, no has only two ways out: leave tie

country or try to continue fighting to see if ie wins.

GOt: EX:

You balieve that they nave another way out in addition to those twos

FALCON: I an sure they do. The Department of Sscurity of the State is not interested

in conducting a nassiv. repression or nothing like that. what they vant is

that the individual stop conspiring, and if they don't bother them, they

won't bother the individuals.

FRANQUI: In addition to that I believe that there is another way out for them,

that

of being caytured uy the Department of Security of the Statc.

FALCON:

•VIVO:

Well, if they continue conspiring.

You witnessed the TV appearance of reinold GONZALEz. He mentioned the

effectiveness of the Dofenso Committees. Can you also say this?

FALCON:

Absolutely. They proved my activities o months back.

VIVO:

You saw Reinold GONZALEZ on television. After that apparance have you seen

Reinold since you have been under arrest?

FALCON: Yos, I have had opportunities to talk to him.

GOMEZ: You have become convinced that he came here spontaneously and that he really

declared what he wished to declare?

FALCON:

Well, It isn't that I am convinced, I have also come here spontancously to

declare.

FIANQUI: Woll, you also say that a great part of that difficulty has been created by

the Defense Connittoes?

FALCON: Yes.

FRANQUI: Hould you like to give ne a practical example?

FALCON: Well, I can't really give you a practical cranplc. Wat I can say is that

they proved activities of mine nine months ago. They have told mo when I

arrived there fron the brand of cigarettos which I smoled up to the novic

theater where Iwually went. That is, not only about me, but about all the

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nembers of the direction of the movement.

FUNgUI: You spoke of the dircction and you spoke of menbers. What is the situation

of your organization after this last round up?

FALCON: Completcly destroyca.

GOribZ: You told us before that thore was a cortain distrust botveen the Central

Intolligence Agency and the members of the group which you directed in CUba.

What can you tell us about this?

FALCON:

Practically alriost all the direction, and ve received instruçtions to luave

Cuba in order to conduct an investigation.

GOMEZ:

And you did not recoive instructions to use coercive methods to take to the

U.S. some which might not want to

до?

FALCON: Yes.

GONEL:

Who, for example?

FALCON:

The Finance Coordinator. If he did not wish to go of his on frec will, that

he was not told why he was going. He was told that he was going to take

training, but if he did not wish

to go of his own free will he had to bo

kidnapped and taken out.

VIVO:

And if he refused to go?

FALCON: The instructions which they had vas to kill him.

VIVO:

To kill hin although he was a colleague?

FALCON: Yes.

VIVO: You have mentioned the denoralization existing in your organization and in

the counterrevolution in general. What opinion do you have regarding the

possibilities of the counterrevolution in the fight against the Cuban poople?

FALCON: I believe that they are practically null at this moment. I believe that no

one can do anything to overthrow the sovolutionary Government of Cuba at

this time. Therefore, our struggle has practically no reason of being end

in a certain aspict it is evin immoral because what we are causing is a seric:

of matcrial losses and loss of lives which we have no right to causc.

FiNQUI: It's a pity that you con't bucone convinced of that until jou are in prison.

¿'ALCO:

Woll, I hadn't bicone convinco: oclore. Liic I said, the problem is that I

thought there was no oticy vay out, and this is the case of many of those vio

ale now conspiring.

You were porsonally in contaci with C.I.i. agento, veren't you:

PALOCH:

Yos.

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charco (cont.)

M.d:

that is, you had the opportunity to tal!: to thin and study their vierpoints.

hai do jou thin: vere thir obj cüives in cuba? for Mat objectiveo vcre

you

usod?

¡VLCON:

The basic objective of tho Norti Micricans at this time is not to solve the

Cuban problem but to produce a state of agitation and alarm here. That is,

to use us for thosc objoctives so that they can accomplish a propaganda

campaign troughout Latin Anerica and spcar of the horros of the Communist

Government of Cuba. Tuat is the objoctive which they pursue:

COMES:

You were. all used as cannon fodder.

FRANQUI: Why is the counterrevolutionary movement to which you belong named of

Rc cuperation?

FACON: Well, the vord indicatus to recover or recupurats the rovolution.

FuiQUI: ell, but ve recovered fron imperialisn uverything that it used to tale avar

from our country. Then you were going to recover from the revolution what wo

took away from imperialism?

FALCON:

No, that is an entiroly different idea. Well, it is a dificrent concent.

GOMEX:

Do you think that the word "recuperation" was not well chosen?

FALCON: Well, that depends from the viewpoint. Gradually we scame convinced that ve

vere not recovoring, that ve vere recovering for the Arericans.

JOLEZ:

Can you tell us about the treatment wilich you have received while you havo

been under arrest in the Department of Gecurity of the State?

FALCON:

• Excollont. I can practically say that I have never folt like a prisoncr.

GONEZ:

Do you thin! that this is a personal or spocial treatment for you?

FALCON:

No, it has been for all the nenbors of our novcment, that is, a general

treatment. I believe that it is a metter of principles of the department

of Security of the state.

VIVO:

As you explained, you arrived at the direction of that organization winich

pretended to recover the impossible past for our country, aftor Playa Giron.

And how did you thin: that you vere going to win, ropeating playa Giron or

through the diroct intervention of North American Larines?

FALCON:

We thought that ve could do it internally without their nelp. That was

practically an absurd thing.

FRANGUI: low are you going to think that 1f you couldn't do it with their hel? and

your participation?

FALCON:

They didn't let us know.

Were you an isolatud novement or did jou have contact titi other counter-

revolutionary groups in Cuia or outsida Cuba?

FALCON: It was practically an isolated movement.

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but did you git toguther vith other groups to a rfor spocific actions

with other groups?

•FAiCON:

well, I already said that the action of the zuti was donc together with

other organizations.

r'uNQUI: One o1 your main leaders canc to Playa Giron.

CALCON:

Yes, the jucrotary. General of the iovonent, it. Hanuul AuTi.

P.UWQUI: And tir. lianuel ArtIue didn't let you know cither:

FALCON:

No; becauso communications were in the hands of th. ericans.

VIVO:

Yes, It's clear, they weren't advised. Do you have in this organization the

same position of ARTIME?

FALCON:

No.

ANTIlE vas the secretary Gencral.

VIVO:

tho dir.cts th civilian part over there?

FALCON: Our delegate abroad is Mr. Josc Ignacio LAuiGi.

VIVO: As you have ciplained hero, the Central Intelligence Aguncy is the Organizer,

the financial sponsor, the one who gives dircet and specific orders, and who

gives pistols, silencers, radios, dollars, etc. to the organizations. Do you

know that the Central Intelligence Agency was the organizer of the Playa Giron

Invasion?

FALCON: Yos.

VIVO: And did you know that a new invasion of Cuba was again being organized from

more than 20 camps established in the United States, Nicaragua, Guatemala,

Venezuela, and other countries.

FALCON: Wo didn't know that.

VIVO:

You didn't know about any other invasion? You did not cipect a now invasion

of Cuba?

FALCON: No. Not in specific terms, but in general lines yus. le were convinced

that internally we could not overthrow the Government, and that it has to

be externally on the basis of an invasion.

FRANQUI: Do you think that the C.I.A, was going to bü satisficd with sending two or

three agents to you to organize thosc radio convorsations?

FALCON: For their objectives of creating a state of agitation here, yos.

VIVO:

You already descrived that the C.I.A. was provosing to invade Cuia again.

What do you think would happen in casc of an invasion?

FALCON:

Well, if the other one was crushed in 72 hours, I think that this one will

have the same fatc.

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BENICO (cont•)

Do you, Juan MACoN towas, have anything to adú to the roplies which you

have given to the newspapermen mombers of this pancl? Do you have any other

declaration to make?

FALCON:

YeS.

I wanted to stross and naku an exhortation to the militants of the

novement who are now on the strcets to desist from the idea of continue

conspiring. I say this for two rcasons: one, that on the long or short run

they are going to end in the same situation as ourselves, and the other that

our. fight no longer has reason of being because basically what ve are doing

is playing the fanc of the North American Government and serving the objective:

for whici they use us. In general this is the only thing I wished to say.

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18 Tullo 1962

MEMORANDUM DE

MET FROM AMELAL-LMO.AA 134

REF.:

Entrevista

a Juan

FALCON Tamar

detenido en Cuba,

SU -

cuesto coordinador Nacional del'i'ovimiento de Recupe-

racior: revolucionaria" en Cuba.-

INFORMA NIT:

Tomado de "RADIO REBELDE DE CUBA"

17 Julio 62 - 8:00 F.M.

Hace la presentacion del detenido, Luis GOlEZ Nanguenert

y del panel de periodista que esta integrado por: Carlos FRAN-

QuI, director del periodico REVCLUCION Y RaUT VAIDES Vivo,

sub-director.del

Periodico HeY.

GOMEZ:

FALCON:

GOMEZ:

FALCON:

Esta la. aqui ante los periodistas para contestar

sus preguntes por su propia voluntad, o ha sido

ud.

de alguna manera coartado para venir

esta noche?

Completamente voluntario.

Quisiera

dades en el M.P.P.

entonces hacernos un relato de sus activi-

El M.F.P.. fue fundado a fines de 1959 por Manuel

ARtIME y una serie de elementos mas, yo en aquella

epoca empece como miembro de fila, trabajando en la

parte de propaganda, escribia un poco en el perío-

dico del Movimiento, tambien repartia el periodico

y damas, y asi poco mas o menos, de aquella etapa

yo tengo poco que contar, porque yo era miembro de

rila y no tenia acceso a los planes del Movimiento,

despues de Giron, despues de la Invasion del 17 de

Abril de playa Giron,

la mayor parte de la dirigen-

cia del Movimiento se

asilaron o se

entonces los que eramos miembros de files y pasanos

a ocupar los cargos de la directiva para tratar de

re-organizarlo.

Y entonces en

caso fue que yo

entre en la dirigencia del Movimiento.

Entonces de

la dirigencia del

Movimiento es que yo puedo haular

con mas detalles, yo creo que ids. deben ya pregun-

torme concretamente sobre al.uns cosa.

FRANQUI:

Despues de Flaya Giron id. entro a formar parte de

la direccion del M.R.R. y que cargo ocupo en esa

FALCON:

Primero fui

Secretario de Organizacion y despues

pase posteriormente

Movimiento.

a ocupar la direcion nacional del

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R5F.:

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

GOMEZ:

FAICON:

VALDES:

FALCON:

GOLE Z:

FALCON:

Entrevista a Juan TAI.CON T'amar, detenido

en Cubano.

( Con t.)

NO. 1A / 34

Que actividades principales contra-revolucionarias

relizaron Uds. despues de Playa Giron?

Nos dedicamos a hacer una serie de actos de sabota

ja, como fueron la quema de la Petroouimica del Co-

torro, un plan para destruir el transporte nacional

en general, lleganos e destruir 3 guaguas de la Ru-

ta 33, tambien teniamos un plan para la destruccion

sistematica de la economia el cual inclula entre

otras cosas el envenenamiento del ganado.

que puede decirnos del atentado a-Carlos Rafael RO-

DRIGUEZ?

Nosotros nos enteramos por los periodicos me Car-

los Rafael iba a dar una conterencia en el Teatro

"Fausto" de liatanzas, pues supusimos que iba a sa-

lir por lavia Blanca y le montamos un chequeo y a

la salida de Carlos Rafael iba una maquina de no-

sotros delante de el ! le hizo seña

aun individuo

que teniamos apostado

en la carretera de que venia

atra: la maquina de Carlos Rafael y entonces el in-

dividuo trato de interceptar el carro y le tiraron

con el resultado conocido de que murio el indivi-

duo de nosotros alli.

Udo ha dicho algo en relacion con las actividades

contra-revolucionarias.

quien organizaba esas

actividades? Habia al zuna vinculacion del M.R.R.

con la Arencia Central de Inteligencia?

En una etapa en un principio nosotros pensamos,

dejeme explicar un poco en detalles, nosotros

pen-

sabamos que podismos llevar solos esta lucha, pero

oco a poco nos luimos dando cuenta que estabamos

cayendo en manos del Gobierno Norteamericano y que

nos ayudaban, no desinteresadamente sino con el

interes da volver a controlar la republica como es-

taban hasta el 1 Enero de 1959.

Y hasta donde llegaba la intromision de la l encia

Central de inteligencia en el Movimiento que ild.

dirigia?

Bueno, ultimamente llegaba a un grado bastante gran-

de, por ejemplo, para nombrar un dirigente

en este

jefe de una secretaria nario-

nal del Movimiento, teniamos que consultarlo alla,

para ver si ellos aprobaban o desaprobaban al indi-

viduo.

Otro ejemplo que le pudiera dar para que se

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RET. :

SESTETO

Il Jul 62

Entrevista a man inTren lamar, delenido

en Gliba. ...• (Cont.)

NO.A1 134/

FALCON:

diera cuenta del. grado de sumision que hemos lle-

gado con relacio a ellos, fue en el problema de

las

comunicaciones, nosotros siempre habianos tenido la

preocupacion de poder comunicarnoscon el Movimiento

alla afuera,

es decir con ell'.R.R. en el exilio, pa-

ra eso. una vez pensamos en comprar una serie de e-

quipos de radio y de radiotelegrafia para comunicar-

nos directamente con ellos alla, sin embargo no pu-

dimos hacerlo porque la gente de alla nos dijo que

si los Americanos llcgaban a enterarse que nosotros

nos estabamos comunicando con ellos directamen te sán

contar para ello con Ja CIA, nos-ibamos a buscar un

problema muy grande y nos lban a retirar toda la ayn-

da, nosotros para comunicamos alla teniamos una

planta de telegrafia, de radiotelografia, ue se

comunicaba directamen te a una base de la

CIA, enton-

ces por ahi nosotros pasabamos los mensajes que que-

riamos mandarle al Movimiento y de ese mensaje los

Americanos les decian lo que ellos querian a los

miembros del Movimieto y se callaban lo que no que-

rian decirle y si querian no podian pasarnos un mem -

sajo de alla para aca, es decir si querian comunicar-

nos algo de alla para

nosotros, entonces en vista de

eso fue que nosotros decidimos

tratar de comunicar-

nos directamente sin que intermediara la CIA por e 1.

medio, sin embargo no nos fue posible, ellos no 10

dejaron, parece.

FRANQUI: Ud. dijo que se habian organizado porque iban a lu-

char contra la revolucion del rueblo.

FALCON: SI

FRANQUI: Y entonces se refirio a la intromision de la CIA

del imperialismo; en que facha fue que ocurrio eso,

despues de Playa Giron, antes.

FALCON:

Bueno de eso no se puede precisar una fecha exacta,

mas bien fue un proceso paulatino que cada vez fue

mas y mas y a lo ultimo estabaros practicanente...

cion practicamente era invencible.

GOMEZ:

Ya que atribuye ld. le invencibilidad de la RivOIT-

CION.

FAICON:

A un respalco popular mur grande.

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Entrevista a Juan unIco" l'amar, detenido

en Cuba. .. (Cont.).

NC.11 134

VALDES:

FAIC ON :

FRANQUI:

ua. habla de la vinculacion con la tencia rentrel

Inteligencia, que recursos les farilitaba a Uds.

la CIA.

Bueno, en primer lugar nos daba dinero, el dinero

con el

que nosotros funcionabamos parte lo recauda-

bamos aqui y parte venia de dla en

un principio, ya

practicamente todo nos venia de alla.

Bajaron las recaudaciones que tenian aqui?

FALCON:

Si, por ejemplo otra vinculacion es

une plante do

telegrafia, la que yo mencione anteriormente y que

teniamos para comunicarnos con ellos alla, facili-

dades'

sacar gente del rais, es decir gente

clandestina, gente que se quemara a base de barcos

ven ian

a rerogerlos

.. a ellos y muchas promesas

de armas,

de materiales de sabotajes y otra serie

de cosas.

GOME Z:

Us. hablo de barcos, que clase de bacos?

FALSON: Bueno, unas lanchas que vienen.

GOMEZ: Venian aqui a las Costas de Cuba.

FALCON: SI

GOMEZ:

Procedentes de donde?

FALGON: De Miami.

GOMEZ: Tripuladas por quienes?

FAICON:

Bueno, en algunos casos por miembros del "oviminto

y en otrospor norteamericanos.

FRANCI:

FALCON:

Ud. hablo de comunionciones, que tipo de aparato

suministro a Ud. la cIA?

Un aparato de telegrafia de los que usanellos para

labores de espionaje en otros Irises, es un

aparato de telegrafia no comercial,

un aparato po-

queño que puede funcionar en

cualquier lado practi-

camente

con el cual nosotros nos comunicabamos alla

a base de sistema de telegrafia en clave directa-

mente

a una baso de la CIA.

VALDES:

Y del atentado organizado contra el Cate. Paul CAs-

TRo, con participacion de la Fase

Naval de Guantanamo.

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REF.:

Entre vista a Juan AICOl! Tamar, detenido

en cuba.. icont.!

1n. 11 134

FALCO! :

Bueno eso fue el 26 de Julio del

ano pasado, ese no

fue un plan especi "icamente nuesiro, ese fue un plan

inventado por la cIA con la participacion de varias

organizaciones, no era la nuestra launica, el plan

contemplaba varias partes, es decir contemplaba un

atentado a FIDSI y al consejo de

ministros que se

iba a reunir en la Plaza rivica el din 26 de Julio

del aio pasado, por otra prte tenia un atentado a

Raul CASIRO en

Santiago de Cua y otra serie de ac~

tos de sabotaje mas correlativos con eso, como era

tratar de inutilizar la Cia. do Electricidal, una

auto-agresion a la Pase de

Guantanano y varias co-

sas mas de menos envergadir?.

FRANQUI:

!' Los planes de quemar el petroquimico del cotorro

no participaron.

FALCON:

Si, esa

fue nuestra organizacion la que lo hizo.

GOMEZ:

Podria ud. explicarme un poco el sabotaje a la Po-

troquinica del Cotorro.

FALCON:

Pueno, ahi se utilizaron materiales fabricaios por

nosotros, practicaete ahi no se usaron materiales

que hubieran venido de afuera, es decir de gaai.,

quimicamente se preparo unas

capsulas que quemaron

anseguida.

GOMEZ:

que otros planes de sabotajes tenien.

FALCON:

El destruir unas plantas anul de la con, tenemos

el plan de ladestruccion sistematica de

la econo-

mia, que contemplaba entre otras cosas como ya le

dije anteriormente el envenenamiento del ganado con

cianuro de potaso.

VIVO:

Y la quema de guaguas como la realizaban?

FALCON:

A base de petacas incendiarias.

VIVO:

Simulando cajetillas de cigarros?

FALCON:

Si, poco mas o menos.

FRA NOU I:

Ud. ha mencionado una serie da actos catra-revolu

cionarios realizados por ustedes, lo. ha renciona-

do que tuvieros un cierto exito en el del Cotorro,

Ids. fracasaron en el atentado a "arlos Ralael y no

pudieron realizar los atentados a las principales

figuras de la Revolucion.

Cuelos tueron las causas

que impidieron que das. lo realizaran?

S6?

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REF.:

Entrevista a Juan fAlteN lanar, detenido

en Cuba.... (Cont.)

N0.11 1 34/

No tuvimos tiempo, al Departamento de seguridad

del Estado nos prendio a todos practicamente.

FRA NOT I:

Pero e sos

atentados ocurrieron en tiempos dife-

rentes.

TALCON:

No eso los estabamos planeando ahora.

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

Pero por ejemplo ess

atentado de participacion or-

ganizado porla cIA y en que

participaron varias or-

ganizaciones contra-revolucionarias como fue el del

26 de Tullo, que fue lo que impidio la realizacion?

Ia misma razon de ue el lepartamento de siguridad

del Estado varios dias atos que se hiciera or endio

a todos los individuos claves en eso.

GOMEZ:

Es decir, que en varioscasos en varios planes de

sabotaje

que llds. tenian el Departamento de guri-

dad del Estado se les anticipo y arresto a los que

esteban complicados para realizarlos.

FALCON:

En muchos de ellos.

FRANQUI:

Uds. confrontaban muchas dificultades en cuanto a la

realizacion de estos planes, como se sentian, no les

era dificil realizar estos actos?

FALCON:

Bueno, hay que estudiar un plan y tratar de llevar-

lo a cabo, es decir montar un chequeo a individuo

y ver el lugar mas apropiado para llevarlo a cabo y

ver si es posibla o no.

FRANQUI: Si eso es natural en cualquier tipo de acto de esa

naturaleza, pero yo me referia en vista de que el

porcentaje de actos que han realizado es muy peque ño

sin

embarpo intentaron hacer muchos " cuenta ld. aus

ana de las causas es que el Depertamento de guri

dad del Estado intervino a tiempo, pero, hay alguna

otra causa que

le Impedia a Uds. las actividades

contra-revolucionarias?

FALCON:

Bueno en general unas series de dificultades como

por ejemplo el desaliento entre las filas del movi-

miento.

FRANQUI: Originado, porque?

FALCON:

Criginado por la sumision

esa a la arencia central

de Inteligencia Aorteamericana, norotros indiscubi-

blemente ibamos

a la lucha no

con la idea de estar

sumidos a una potencia extranjera en ma el dia de

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FRANQUI:

FALCON:

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

GOME Z:

FALCON:

SECRET C

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Entrevista : quen l'ALCOY Tamar, dalmido

cn Cuba....• (Cont.)_

NO. 11 / 3

manm a

tuvieramos que de nuevo entregarles 19 Pa-

tria a ellos,

entonces esa ayuda que ellos nos pro-

metian y nos daban peulatinamente, nos la fueron

condicionando, es decir, nosotros

ingenuamente se

puede decir pensamos que nos la lban a brindar de-

sinteresadamente, es decir, sin pedirnos nada en cam-

bio pero despues

nos dimos cuenta queno era así, de

que ellos esa ayuda nos la brindaban a cambio de al-

go, a cambio de que nosotros el dia de mañana les

entregaramos la Soberania y la Patria a ellos, en-

tonces por e se motivo es que cundio una especie de

desaliento entre las filas delMovimiento, hasta que

llego cono a fines del año pasada en que

pen samos

en disolver el Moviniento completamente.

Pero el fracaso de Playa Giron, no que tambien un

factor determinante.

Si, flaya Giron fue una de las causas deterninantes,

decir, que en Playa "iron se vio tamben el desti-

no del Imperialismo Norteamericano.

Aunque tambien

se vio la popular que es luchar con-

tra la Revolucion.

Si, exactamen te, fue una Invasion que fue destruida

menos de 12

horas.

Y cuando llegaron Uds. a la conclusion de que le es-

taban sirviendo de instrumento a

1 los istados tinidos

y al Imperialismo Norteamericano?

Bueno, hace bastante tiempo ya, el problema de esto

es que

uno se da cuenta de eso

pero ya le parece

es tande para vinar para atras, yo quisiera be-

poco de hincapio en eso, basicamente esa es

una de las razones por las que yo he pedido venir

aqui, la mayor parte de los conspiradores que hay

en la callo, los miembros de fila de nues-

tro Moviniento, que

aun cuedan en la calle tienen

idea distinta de la lucha, es decir, que piensan

que no somos como en realidad somos, una Sucur sal

de la Agencia Central de Inteligencia "o temericana,

entonces ellos piensan e so y continuan en la lucha,

sin embargo nosotros los que estamos en la dirigen-

cia, yo lo digo por el caso mio concreto, cuando yo

miembro de fila del Hovimiento, que ne dedicaba

a repartir propaganda, que me pasabatodo el dia re-

partiendo propaganda desde por la mañana hasta por

la noche y cuando terminaba me creia que habia hecho

por Cuba un horror, crais que habia trabajado enor-

memente por cuba y quebahia hecho lo meio que podia

hacer y que

estab? trahajando.cor na conen urta.

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RTE.

Entrevista

a cuen faLcoN tomar, delenido

en cuba. ..(ont.

MO 1 134

FAL, CON:

cuando di que a dirigente del lovimiento me di

cuenta de queso no era asi y ahora lo comprendo

de que

estabamos entregados

completamen te

al Im-

perialismo Norteamericano : que no ibaros a poder

lograr ninguna de lasideas, ninguno de los fines

para los cuales luchabamos.

VIVO:

FALCON:

FRASA0I:

Desde luego, de mas esta decir que los compañeros

que estarios aqui, creemos tento

de los miembros de esa organizacion contra-revolil

clonaria, como en el decinteres de la Agencia cen

tras de inteligencia, nosotros queremos puntuali-

zar para no entrar en una polemita innecesaria, la.

ha hablado de asesinatos, de los sabotajes contre

1a economia nopular, que participacion han tenido

Uds.

en la ayuda a las bandas de

alzados que hicia-

ron del Escambray un cuohillo....del pais?

Fueno, la misma participacion practicaente qu e han

tenido las demas organizaciones, es decir, si se

podia brindar una ayuda basicamente de tipo moneta-

rio porque de otra cosa no teniamos, pues se la

brindabamos, si teniamos la posibilided.

Pero MId.

menciono ahi que la? recaudaciones rue

uaso tanian proveniente de los erupos contra-revo-

lucionarios internos disminuis mucho, porque

tuvi e-

ron que recurrir cada vez mas a la ayuda que lds.

recibian de los Estados inicos, En que forma ieci-

bien Uds. esa ayuda?

FALCON:

La ayuda se recibia, a hase de cambios

• es decir one-

raciones de cambio,

ellos situsban

"y" doleres

ella,

a un individuo alla particular y nosotros aqui e

otro individuo le recogianos el emuivalente.

FRINGI: dEllos! quienes?

FALCON: Los norteamericanos.

VIVO: El cambio de la moneda, como afecto esas operaciones?

FALCON:

Bueno, en

aquel momento a nosotros no nos afecto en

gran cosa, nosotros cambiarios practicamente todo

el

dinero que

tenia c1 Moviri ento, pusimos a todos los

militantes del Moviiento a cambiar dinero.

FRANQUI: En la Habana, la recaudacion de los. tuvo que ver

algo con

el hecho de que los elementos

de la clase

burguesa y rice, tomaron el ca ino

de los FE.?'.?

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PATO" L'amar, detenido

en cuba... (Cont.)

1'O.AA 13Y

PALCON :

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

FRANGUI:

FAI, CON :

VIVO:

FALCON:

GOMEZ:

FALCON:

GOMEZ:

FALCON:

GOMEZ:

FALCON:

Yo creo que en gran parte.

Es decir, Vos. recibian dinero de gente rica.

SI.

Y al irse esa gente, pues tenian menos recaudacio-

neS.--

Practicamente, Si.

No quiere decir algo

, sobre la guerra psicologica,

sobre el problema de las bolas.

Si, yo voy a decir algo sobre la propaganda del

asunto aquel de la Patria Potestad, en general ese

es un aunto en el cual nosotros tomabamos gran par-

te, porque sinseramente aquella vez de la Patria

Potestad, tiranos unapropsganda tratando de deses-

perarlos, con esa bola que se halia tirado.

td. conoce este instrumen to?

S1, este

es un cuño para las carteras dactilares

falsas.

Es decir, para la falsificacion de este tipo de

cartera

dactilar, y este tipo de carteras dactila-

res que

ids. usaban donde se hizo aqui o en los

EE. TU.?

En lOS EE.IU.

Se lo mandaba a Uds. la Agencia rentral de Inteligen-

cia.

Si.

FRANQUI: Ud. ha referido una serie de actividades que

tiene

que ver con

explosivos, ayuda,

blo tamien de los planes que

comunicaciores discu

tenian que ser

tidos por la CIA, entrenamiento de dirigentes, tam-

bien Uu. hablo de envenenamiento de animales.

podia explicarnos?

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FALCON:

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en Cuba.... (Cont.)

NO-AA 1 34/

Udo sabe que hay escacez de carne que ese es un problema

FALCON:

GOMEZ:

FALCON:

GOMEZ:

FALCON:

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

FRANQUI:

Yo queria venir aqui precisamente porque a Reinold nadie

le hizo caso entonces todo el mundo penso que Reinola hasta

cierto punto no habia sido sincero es decir que habia venido

aqui coaccionado por el Departamento de Seguridad del Estado

a tener aquella comparecencia.

Me permite una pregunta Ud. tiene una opinion distinta ahora?

Completamente distinta.

Por que?

Por el trato que he recibido en el Departamento de Seguridad

del istado y por los metodos que he visto que emplean.

Reinold hablo de que a el hacia 6 meses que lo estaban che-

queando, eso nadie lo creyo y nadie le creyo que un coordi-

nador nacional del movimiento lo tuvieran 6 meses en la calle

chequeandolo, yo puedo afirmar que a mí me han tenido 9 meses,

a mí me han probado en el Departamento de Seguridad del Estado

la vida mia 9 meses atras me han dicho casas como por ejemplo

la marca de cigarros que yo fumaba hasta al cine que habituaba

1r.

Yo quiero decirle una cosa porque a lo mejor ahora algun otro

contra-revolucionario que como Ud. dice o supone engañado vaya

a estar pensando de la. lo mismo que la. penso de leinola, en

tonces la prueba vanos a dejarla para la proxima ocasion cuando

venga aqui tambien porque poco a poco todo el mundo ha visto

como todas las organizaciones contra-revolucionarias van siendo

Liquidados por la revolucion, es decir que en definitiva lo que

importa no es la apreciacion si Ud. dice o no dijo, lo que im

porta son las presentaciones.

Es decir yo estimo Sr. Franqui que al ver estos dos casos la

gente nos haga mas caso.

No pero no son dos casos, son muchos casos, trataron de levan-

tarse en el Escambray y fueron liquidados, vinieron a Playa Gi-

ron y fueron liquidados, Intentaron hacer gabotajes en el Encan

to etc. y fueron liquidados, vino Reinola y fue liquidado, han

intentado infiltrarse por diferentes lugares del pais y han si-

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GOMEZ:

FALCON:

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

VIVO:

FALCON:

VIVO:

FALCON:

GOMEZ :

FALCON:

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

PRANQUI:

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NO.MA 1 3%

do líquidados, asi es que no son dos casos, son muchos

Pero mire el problema que tiene hoy en dia el individuo

que esta en la calle conspirando es que cree que ya no

puede volver para atras es decir que no le queda mas que

dos salidas abandonar el pais o tratar de seguir luchando

hasta ver si triunfa.

Udo cree que tienen otra salida ademas de esas dos.

Yo estoy seguro que sí, el Departamento de Seguridad del

Estado no esta interesado en hacer una represion en masa

ni mucho amenos, lo que le interesa es que el individuo

deje de conspirar, sí no se meten con ellos, ellos no se

meten con el tampoco.

A parte de eso yo creo que tambien tienen una entrada que

es en el Departamento de Seguridad del Estado.

Bueno, si siguen conspirando

Udo presencio la comparecencia de Reinold Gonzalez, el hablo

de la eficacia de los Comites de Defensa, Ud. tambien puede

decirlo?

Completamente, ellos me probaron las actividades mias de ha-

ce 9 meses.

Vio Ud. a Reinold Gonzalez por television, despues de esa com-

parecencia ha visto Ud a Reinold, ahora que esta detenido.

Si, he tenido oportunidades de hablar con el.

Se ha convencido Ud. de que el vino aqui expontaneamente y que

declaro verdaderamente lo que el quizo declarar.

Bueno no es que yo este convencido es que yo tambien he venido

expontaneamente a declarar.

Bien, Ud. habla tambien de que gran parte de esa dificultad

ha sido creada por 103 Comites de Defensa.

Si

Ud. quisiera ponerme algun ejemplo practico

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FALCON:

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

Bueno ejemplo practico realmente no se yo lo que puedo

decirle es que a mi me probaron actividades mias ahi de

hace 9 meses, me han dicho cuando yo llegue ahi desde la

marca de cigarros que yo fumaba hasta al cine que habi-

tualmente iba, es decir no conmigo solo sino con, todos

los miembros de la direccion del movimiento.

Ud. hablo de la direccion y hablo de miembros, En que es

tado ha quedado ahora en esta ultima redada su organiza

cion?

Completamente destruida

GOMEZ:

FALCON:

Ud. nos dijo antes que habia una cierta desconfianza de la

Agencia Central de Inteligencia y los miembros del grupo

que la. dirigia en Cuba, Que puede decirnos?

Practicamente casi toda la direccion y recibimos instruc-

ciones de salir del territorio a fin de hacer una investi-

gacion.

GOMEZ:

FALCON:

GOMEZ:

FALCON:

Y no recibieron Uds. instrucciones de utilizar metodos coac-

tivos para llevar a los Estados Unidos a algunos que no qui-

sieran ir

S1

Por ejemplo, contra quienes

Contra el Coordinador de Finanzas, si el individuo no que

ria ir por su voluntad, es decir no se le decia a lo que

iba, se le decia que iba a tomar un entrenamiento, pero si

no queria por su voluntad habia que sacarlo secuestrado.

VIVO:

Y si se negaba a ir

FALCON:

Las instrucciones que tenian ellos era de que lo mataran.

VIVO:

De que lo mataran aunque fuera un compañero?

FALCON:

S1

VIVO:

Ud. ha hablado aqui de la desmoralizacion que existe en su

organizacion y en general en la contra-revolucion, Que opi-

nion tiene Ud. de las posibilidades de la contra-revolucion

en la lucha contra el pueblo de Cuba?

FALCON:

Yo creo que son practicamente nula en este momento, yo creo

que nadie pueda hacer nada que pueda derrocar el gobierno

Revolucionario de Cuba en este moemtno; practicamente nues

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GOMEZ,:

FALCON:

GOMEL :

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FALCON:

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

GOMEZ :

FALCON:

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tra lucha pues no tiene razon de ser y en cierto aspecto

es hasta inmoral pues lo que estamos es causando una

serie de perdidas materiales y perdidas de vida tambien

a la cual no tenemos derecho

Es una lastima que Uds. no se convenzan de eso hasta que

no estan preso

Bueno yo no me habia convencido antes, el problema es como

yo le decia antes era que yo creia que no habia otra salida

y ese es el caso de muchos de los que estan conspirando hoy

en dia.

Ud. estuvo personalmente en contacto con los agentes de la

CIA, verdad?

S1

Es decir tuvo Ud. oportunidad de conversar con ellos y de

estudiar cuales eran sus puntos de vistas Cuales cree Ud.

que eran sus objetivos en Cuba, con que fines los utilizaba

a Uds?

El objetivo basico de los Norteamericanos en este momento no

es resolver el problema de Cuba, sino el producir aqui un es-

tado de agitacion y de alarma, es decir utilizarnos a noso-

tros con esos fines para ellos poder llevar a cabo una propa-

ganda por toda la America Latina y hablar de los horrores del

gobierno comunista de Cuba, es decir ese es el objetivo que

ellos persiguen.

Lo utilizaban a todos como carne de cañon

Por que el movimiento contra-revolucionario a que Ud. perte-

nece se llama de Recuperacion

Bueno la palabra indica de recuperar la revolucion

Bueno pero nosotros le recuperamos al imperialismo todo lo

que el imperialismo le quitaba a nuestra patria, entonces Uds.

le iban a recuperar a la revolucion lo que nosotros le quita-

nos al imperialism

No, es otra idea completamente distinta. Bueno es una con

cepcion distinta.

Cree Ud. que la palabra recuperacion no fue una palabra bien

escogida.

Bueno eso depende del punto que se vea, paulatinamente llegamos

al convencimiento de que no estabamos recuperando, que lo esta-

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GOMEL :

FALCON:

VIVO:

FALCON:

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

GOMEZ :

FALCON:

BOMEL :

FALCON:

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

FRANQUI:

FALCON:

banos recuperando por los norteamericanos

Que puede decirnos Ud. del trato que ha recibido mientras ha

estado Ud. arrestado en el "pto, de Seguridad del Estado

Excelente, practicamente puedo decir que nunca me he sentido

como un prisionero

Cree Ud. que ese es un trato personal para Udo, especial para

No, ha sido con todos los miembros de nuestro movimiento, es

decir un trato general, yo creo que es una cuestion de princi-

pios del Dpto. de Seguridad del Estado

Segun Ud. explico llego a la direccion de esa organizacion que

pretendia recuperar el pasado imposible para nuestro pais des-

pues de Playa Giron y como pensaban Uds. que iban a triunfar,

repitiendo Playa Giron o mediante la intervencion directa de

los Marines norteamericanos.

Pensabamos que podiamos internamente sin ayuda de ellos, eso

fue una cosa absurda practicamente.

Como Udso van a pensar eso, si con la ayuda de ellos y la de

uds. junto no pudieron.

No nos avisaron

Uds. eran un movimiento aislado o tenian Uds. contacto con

otros grupos contrarrevolucionarios en Cuba o fuera de Cuba

Practicamente era un movimiento aislado

Pero Uds. se reunian con otros grupos para realizar determina-

dos actos con otros grupos.

Bueno ya le dije que el acto del 26 se hizo en union de otras

organizaciones

A Playa Giron vino uno de los jefes principales de Uds.

Si, el Sec. Gral. del Mov. el Sr. Manuel Artime.

Y el Sr. Manuel Artime tampoco les aviso.

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VIVO:

FALCON:

VIVO:

FALCON:

VIVO:

FALCON:

VIVO:

FALCON:

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FALCON:

VIVO:

FALCON:

GOMEZ:

Si esta claro, no le avisaron a ellos. Ud. tiene en esa

organizacion el mismo cargo que Artime

No,. Artime era Secretario General

Quien dirige la parte civil alla?

El delegado nuestro en eletranjero el Sr. Jose Ignacio

Lazaga.

La Agencia Central de Inteligencia segun Ud. ha explicado

aqui es la organizadora, financiadora y la que da ordenes

directas y concretas y da pistolas, silenciador, radios.

dollares etc. a las organizaciones, Ud. sabe que la Agen-

cia Central de Inteligencia fue la organizadora de la inva-

sion a Playa Giron?

S1

Y sabian Uds: que estaba organizando de nuevo desde veinte

y pico campamentos establecidos en los Estados Unidos, Nica-

ragua, Guatemala, Venezuela y otros paises una nueva invasion

a Cuba?

De eso no teniamos conocimientos.

No tenian Uds. conocimientos de ninguna otra invasion no es

peraban Uds. de nuevo una invasion a Cuba.

No, en terminos concretos no, en lineas generales si, nosotros

estabamos convencidos de que internamente no podiamos derrocar

al gobierno y tiene que ser externamente a base de una inva

s10i.

Ud. cree que la CIA se iba a conformar con mandarle dos o tres

agentes a Uds. para organizar las conversaciones por radio esas

Para los fines de ellos de crear aqui un estado de agitacion

si.

Ya Udo describio que la CIA se proponía invadir de nuevo a Cuba,

en caso de una invadion que Ud. cree que ocurriria

Bueno, si la otra fue destruida en 72 horas yo creo que esta

corre la misma suerte.

Tiene Ud. Juan FALCON Tomar alguna cosa que agregar a las res-

puestas que ha dado a los periodistas miembros del panel, tie-

ne alguna otra declaracion que hacer.

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FALCON:

Si lo que queria hacer incapies en hacerle una exhortacion

a los militantes del movimiento que hoy esten en la calle

para que desistan de la idea de seguir conspirando y yo lo

es que nuestralucha ya no tiene razon de ser porque basica-

teamericano y sirviendo para los fines para los cuales ellos

nos usan, eso es en general lo unico que queria decir.

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