Agency: FBI
Originator: FBI
From: BREEN, DAVID W.
To: DIRECTOR, FBI
Document date: 10/25/1963
Document type: PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

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JFK Assassination System

Identification Form

Agency Information

Date:

4/24/201

AGENCY:

FBI

RECORD NUMBER :

124-10284-10073

RECORD SERIES :

HQ

AGENCY FILE NUMBER :

CR 166-860-90

Released under the John

F. Kennedy

Assassination Records

Collection

act of 1992

144 USC 2107 Notel.

Case#:NT 45737 Date:

11-17-2017

Document Information

ORIGINATOR: FBI

FROM:

BREEN, DAVID W.

TO :

DIRECTOR, FBI

TITLE:

DATE: 10/25/1963

PAGES:

157

SUBJECTS :

ABR, FUG, BKG, RES, DESCR, TRA, REL, ASSOC, FISUR,.

RACK ACT, CONSPR, WHEREABOUTS ,

DOCUMENT TYPE :

PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

CLASSIFICATION: Unclassified

- RESTRICTIONS: 4; 10(a)2

CURRENT STATUS: Redact

DATE OF LAST REVIEW: 04/28/1998

OPENING CRITERIA: INDEFINITE

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PH 166-119

The Boston Office advised the Philadelphia Office by

telephone of victim MARVIN LEONARD CHIVIAN'S apprehension in

Boston early morning hours of October 25, 1963.

Pertinent

stops placed at Albuquerque, Dallas, Denver, El Paso, Houston,

nansas oity, Las vegas, uitele Rock; Los Angeles, New Orleans,

Oklanoma City, Omaha, Phoenix, St. Louis, Salt Lake City, San

Antonio, San Diego, San Francisco, Knoxville,

Memphis, Detroft,

Cleveland, New York, Newark, were

removed by

Philadelphia,

office of

origin, 10/25/63

JFK Act 6 (4)

For the information of Bureau,

Newark Division, former PH 407-G of the Philadelphia Office, was

interviewed on 10/23/03 by Newark Agents and advised as follows:

related his association with KONIGSBERG and

others without hesitation.

met KONIGSBERG through his

association with SEYMOUR FLAX, operator of Frankie's Market,

Lodi, N.J., and one PAUL SMITH, a real estate promoter,

Palisades

Park, N.

After meeting KONIGSBERG, he and BAYONNE

JOE ZICARELLI began to talk to him about various real estate

deals they were considering.

He actually helped ZICARELLI

purchase a lot in Englewood

cliffs by setting up a corporation

for ZICARELLIto purchase the land under the name Charlotte Place:

Inc.

ZICARELLI wanted to build y house for his son on this lot

but has never gone through with 1t.

On or about Moniday, 9/30/63, KONIGSBERG came to

and asked him if he knew a

could handle a real estate deal for him.

Jia Pbiladela a who

told him

that he did, and KONIGSBERG asked

ment

with the lawyer for 3:00 p.m.,

10/2/63.

J2 3n appoltt-

called

ROBERT S. HASS

and made the appointment.

on 10/3/63, according to previous arrangements,

met KONIGSBERG at the Richfield Cas Station about

54th

Street and Hudson Boulevard, West New York, N.J., at about

2:00 p.m.

was. late, whichl

nhe penoiatpent wa styl:30pm., but KONIaSBRRa

states is typical.

When

arrived at the Richfield Station, he

met, JOE ZICARELLI and

his associate RALPH, last name unknown to

but according

to NK 2267-C-TE may

• be DE VITO. RALPH

is a white male, age about 48, 5' 10"

gray hair, always wears

"dandy" hat

and 1mocea ba acksed.

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During the small talk prior to the arrival of

KONIGSBERG, there was no indication that either JOE or RALPH

knew HAROLD wanted to go to Philadelphia.

The fact that RALPH

did not know was not considered unusual as he usually operates

on a need-to-know basis with JOE ZICARELLI.

thoroughly bawled him out

was not clean shaven•

can one on ol are to late Ari anast are and

Philadelphia but told HAROLD that he would have to find his

way back because he was not going to wait around for him to

complete all his business after he completed his business.

The nature of this business that JOE had was not related to

En route to Philadelphia in JOE's white Cadillac,

JOE and HAROLD rode in the front and

Tin the rear.

listened to the VALACHI testimony on the radio and made several

remarks in

jest at the testimony.

Upon arrival in Philadelphia, the car was parked.

apparently near to where JOE and HAROLD wanted to go.

took a cab to HASS' office, and he does not know where JOE

and HAROLD went but believes it is undoubtedly close to where

they parked the car. He could not recall the

exact location

where the car was parked but recalls that if you left the

building where HASS' office is, turned right and traveled

about two blocks, then turned right again and traveled about

fourteen blocks, that would be the approximate place the car

was parked.

Prior to their arrival in Philadelphia,

called HASS from a Howard Johnson's Restaurant on the New. Jersey

Turnpike and told him they would

be. late for the appointment.

arrived in HASS' office about 4:00 p.m., 10/3/63,

and this was the first time he had ever met HASS personally

although he talked to HASS many times over the telephone in the

past concerning real estate matters.

He told HASS that KONIGSBERG

was a gangster but that Hass would have nothing to fear if he,

HASs, stuck strictly to the point and the business at hand and

did not get off on a tangent of some type with him.

HASS he did not know what KONIGSBERG wanted his services for.

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Around 5:00 p.m., a white male, age in his middle

5' 10", dark complexion, Jewish or Italian extraction,

black and gray hair, medium height, who may have real estate

connections or live around Atlantie City, N.J., came. to HASS!

office and told

and HASS that KONIGSBERG said

he would

be along a little later.

another man arrived described

, stocky, 185 pounds, black hair

said KONIGSBERG would be there in a

few minutes.

to have a lot of message bearers.

elates that this is typical of KONIGSBER

states thatthis secon

man was the one who introduced ZAVOD tO KONIGSBERG fOr the loan,

which was brought out in subsequent conversation.

Around 6:00 p.m. KONIGSBERG

arrived and in his usual

overbearing way promptly began to dominate the conversation.

He showed HASS a piece of paper which apparently had to do with

the sale of a house and demanded HASS to use every trick he

knew to obtain possession of the house. KONIGSBERG refused to

accept the advice that

the document may not be legal.

To

amazement, HASS knew the owner of the property was not

the person represented in the document, but the person's mother.

At KONIGSBERG's request, HASS called the person

represented in the document on the telephone, andl

_believes

it was ZAVOD.

KONIGSBERG 6010 HASS tO FEll ZAVOD that he, HASS,

had been contacted by a lawyer in Bayonne, N.J., who had KONIGSBERG

as a client. that HAss had

some kind of paper that showed

KONIGSBERG owned his property, and HASS suggested they talk it

over. ZAVOD apparently did not want to talk about it; and since

HASS apparently knew ZAVOD, they agreed to meet later and it was

indicated that HASS lived

near Zavod and they could talk about

it some evening.

KONIGSBERG admitted to HASS that he was a shylock and

a thief; but in

order to convince HASS that he was right in

this matter,

he called ROBERTS into the office and told him

to relate the real estate

transaction which involved a Jewish

organization in

Philadelphia.

ROBERTS did as he was told; but

when ROBERTS began to tell about the arrangements

and problems

of financing, KONIOSBERG made him shut up and chased him out

of the office.:

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PH 166-119

KONIGSBERG instructed HASS to build a fire under ZAVOD

and lefto

KONIGSBERG then instructed ROBERTS to drive him and

home, which he did.

On the return trip, nothing of

particular importance was discussed, except ROBERTS tried to

Imoress KONIGSBERG of his intelligence in dealing with criminals.

lopined that ROBERTS was a "small-time punk"

subsequently KONIGSBERG expressed the same opinion to

Earler this week, HASS contacted

and told him

from his lawyer-client confidence

so that he could tell the

Agents or the Grand Jury what their relationship concerned.

agreed to do this. He called KONIGSBERG at his New

York City telephone number, TN 7-8670

KONIGSBERG at first

declined but then agreed after

explained to him that 1t

appeared to be in KONIGSBERG'S

best interest if KONIGSBERG

wanted this matter to appear in any way a straight business

deal.

KONIGSBERG agreed and told

_that he would sign

the waiver that HASS

was, sending up.

received the waiver and a letter from HASS

on 10/23/63 which is

as follows.

"Dear Al

"I am typing this myself. If Harold will sign

the enclosed paper, I

would testify voluntarily.

If nots

I feel the FBI will subpoena me anyway.

I cannot

what testimony I might give that

would hurt him.

fact that he came to

Philadelphia to hire me as a lawyer to collect

a $13,500 debt cannot hurt him, unless the

federal authorities think that

trying to collect

money legitimately

usurious transaction

is a

crime. I certainly doubt that it is, unless

they

can prove

that too much money had already been

paid. Since we know this is not the fact, they

can't prove it.

"Bob"

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The waiver is as follows:

"I, Harold Konigsberg, Of Bsyonne de hereby release

Robert S. Hass, Eago, Philadelphia, Penna, from any

restrictions placed

upon him by law or ethics which

might prevent him from testifying at a Grand Jury pro

ceeding in Philadelphia looking into my activities in

the loan business, more specifically he may testify

to anything said by him to me, or by me to him during

a conversation at Philadelphia on October 2, 1963.

It is understood that he is to

testify voluntarily

or under Subpoena, not for me

or against me, but

only as to facts that he knows to be true.

"Nothing in this document will later prevent me

from using the exemption of attorney-client

relationship at a trial, if this later develops

into a trial.

"Witness:

Harold Konigsberg!

stated he was going to make this document

available to KONIGSBERG 25

soon as possible.

On 10/22/63 KONIGSBERG came

tO

and asked

to testify that the $13,500 which

he loaned to ZAVOD

came from him,

as a real

estate

Loan,

since he,

was in the real estate business.

Itold KONIGSBERG he

doubted he could do this because

he

could not cover it in his

books and also that he had a worse

criminal record than

KONIGSBERG. After KONIGSBERG left,

_called ZICARELLI

at his New York City telephone number, PE 6-1195, which is

the office of lawyer STEVE HOFFMAN.

He told ZICARELLI what

KONIGSBERG had asked him to do.

KONIGSBERG that he could not do it.

ZICARELIT fold him to tell

states JOE JULIANO

and KONIGSBERG dislike

each other,

but he knows JULIANo to be

a part of the ZICARELLI mob.

COWBOY JOE LUCIONANO and ED SKOWRON were identified

as the men who take the telephone calls at 527 Boulevard,

Bayonne, particularly SKOWRON. Both of these men are completely

dominated by KONICSBERG:

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has Bureau file 137-1483 and Philadelphia

file 137-1787.

He was discontinued by Newark on 3/21/55.

His last contact with the Newark Office was in 1960.

Since

he is in a position to furnish valuable information in this

investigation, he is being opened as a Pel.

He does not

appear to be involved sufficiently to be a

necessary witness

or a principal.

was instructed by the Agents to contact them

each time he is contacted by ZICARELLI, RONIGSBERG or others in

this case, and he readily agreed.

He was told he may be needed

to testify before a Grand Jury In Philadelphia. He agreed to

this but indicated he did not want to be called as a witness

at the trial.

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PH 166-119

s identical with

referred

to In interview with Attorney ROBERT S. HASS in report of

SA DAVID W. BREEN dated 10/23/63, on pages 78 t084.

With regard to the information concerning CHARLES I.

COSTELLO which appears in Section IV regarding location of

fugitive ANGELO BRUNO in this report, the Miami Office by

radiogram 10/25/63 reported that Miami source on 10/25/63 stated

that CHARLES COSTELLO had put ir at a large boat yard in Norfolk,

on his boat and to escape the hurricane

and that he expects to arrive in Miami in about a week.

According

to this source, costello's boat is a 37 foot mahogany Enterprise

Self-Fisherman

wich Ilying oridge and glass cabins and decks

bearing name

"Little Karen," and probably bears Florida registration

numbers

on bow of boat.,

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