TESTIMONY OF WALTER SHERIDAN
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U.S. Department of Justice

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Judy Hudson

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MI. Sheridan. I was a close friend of the Attorney General

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Postal. Do you recall hearing at the time of the

Baletti wiretap case?

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MI. Sheridan. No.

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Mr. Postal. Do you recall hearing of a wiretap that

occurred in Las Vegas at the end of october of 1960, in which

the hotel room of Phyllis MeGuire was bugged?

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MI. Sheridan. No.

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MI. Postal. Did you ever discuss with the Attorney General

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"I discussed with him his interest in organized crime in

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general, and I'm sure Sam Giancana's name was mentioned as one

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of the people in organized crime, that he was interested in.

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We had many discussions going back to 1957 about that subject

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Mr. Postal. Right.

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Well, you worked with the Attorney General on the McClellan

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Committee, is that correct?

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Me. Sheridan. Yes, I did.

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MI. Postal. And during the McClellan Committee you had

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an opportunity of the Committee had an opportunity to look into

the relationship of the Teamsters with the rackets, is that

correct?

Mr. Sheridan. Yeah.

MI. Postal. And one of the areas that came under scrutiny

was the Chicago area, is that correct?

Mr. Sheridan. Yeah.

MI. Postal. And in that light, the same Sam Giancana

probably became known to you.

Mr. Sheridan. Sure.

MI. Postal. And do you recall that one of the first things

the Attorney General did when he became Attorney General was

to target for the Bureau and the other investigative agencies

of the government certain figures in organized crime that he

wanted investigated vigorously?

MI. Sheridan. Well, I think what he did was to first of

all beef up the organized crime section. He certainly indicated

he wanted the organized crime section to pursue more vigorously

the whole problem of organized crime. In that process, certain

organized crime figures were, if you want to use the word,

targeted, and Sam Giancana was one of them.

Ms. Postal.

Okay.

Is it fair to say that San Giancana was fairly high on the

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figures in the United States.

Mr. Postal. Okay.

Do you recall in any of your discussions of organized

crime or specifically Sam Giancana, with the Attorney Ceneral,

any mention of either a wiretap case in Las Vegas or the

name Johnny Roselli and Bob "laheu in conjunction with the nare

Sam Giancana?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

MI. Postal. Do you recall having any discussions with

the Attorney General concerning the CIA involvement or connec-

tion with Sam Giancana or John Roselli?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

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MI. Postal. What were your specific functions in the

Department of Justice?

Mr. Sheridan. I was in charge of a group of attornes

who were looking into and holding Grand Juries concerning s.:

directing investigative activities concerning labor racie:per:-:.

Mr. Postal. Specifically James iloffa?

Mr. Sheridan. There was more emphasis on ile. ilofia ar.

the Teamsters, but there were also other unions and other

union leaders involved in that. Certainly there was more

effort involved in the leanster investigation than in the

others.

Mr. Postal. Did you vort. closely with Carmine scilaro

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the McClellan Committee with us, and he became a White House

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Consultant, and in the very beginning he also had a desk over

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in our area and was involved in preliminarily what ve vere doing.

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But after a few months he no longer was involved in that

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activity.

MI. Postal. What about Courtenay Evans? Did you or:

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MI. Sheridan. Well, I certainly knew Courtenay Evans.

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He was-not our direct link with the FBI.. Our direct link an

the FBI was Al MeGrath. And Al MeGrath was in charge of the

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accounting, and he was the supervisor of the accounting ses::..

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because our initial, major efforts were in the area of the

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required a lot of accounting expertise, and we were usara :.:

FBI accountants. And that's how I think he happened to bes.-:

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the contact. So I knew Courtenay, and I knew Courtena! as ::e

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contact with the Attorney General, but my direct dealings i::

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more with McGrath than with Courtenay Evans.

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Mr. Postal. Let me ask you this question: was there s

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the Attorney General would sound out problems with, have

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were there people that he would deal with directly in thrashing

out a problem outside of the normal line of authority normally?

Mr. Sheridan. Yes. He would usually consult mainly with

the heads of the various divisions of the Department. That

would be Jack Miller, Lou Oberdorfer, and he was the head of

the Tax Division, and Jack Miller was the head of the Criminal

Division, and Ramsey Clark was the head of the Lands Division,

and John Douglas was in charge of the Civil Division. It is a

long time ago. Dick Katzenbach, who was

the Deputy Attorney

General, these were the people that he would discuss, you know,

all major problems with.

MI. Postal. Did you ever have occasions to meet with the

Attorney General either late in the evening or during the tai

and discuss with him matters of concern to him outside of a

particular problem that you were working on?

Mr. Sheridan. I am sure I did, I am sure I did.

Mr. Postal. Did you ever --

Mr. Sheridan. Most of our discussions were on the problem

I was working on, and we had numerous discussions on that at

all times of the day.

Mr. Postal. Okay.

Mr. Sheridan. But I am sure occasionally there were crier

matters discussed.

MI. Postal. The group that was working on the racketeur:.?,

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Mr. Sheridan. Yeah.

Mr. Postal. And were you given access to any of the

intelligence reports coming from the Bureau relative to

organized crime that you felt related to what you were working

on?

Mr. Sheridan. Yeah. If there was, if

there was a need.

In other words, the two areas often intertwined, so if we got

into an area that we were interested in, we would

share informa-

tion with them and they would share information with us.

MI. Postal. In the

course of your investigation into the

labor rackets, did you have occasion to do a good deal of

investigating concerning the mob's activities in Las Vegas?

Mr. Sheridan. Not really.

We were aware of it, but the only place that our investi-

gations and theirs came in contact, or for the most part, anyway,

were the pension fund loans by the Teamsters Pension Fund to

Las Vegas casinos, and to that extent, there was a mutual

area.

But the actual investigation of organized crime in Las

Vegas was really the organized crime section work, and we,

we didn't get into it as such.

Mr. Postal. Well, as I understand it, there were two

major areas of interest insofar as the organized crime section

was concerned about Las Vegas. One was your interest in the

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n the skimming operation that was going on by some of the mob?

Mr. Sheridan. Right.

Mr. Postal. But as I understand, they were fairly closely

Mr. Sheridan. I think that's a fair statement.

Mr. Postal. -- related?

Mr. Sheridan. Yeah.

MI. Postal. So in your activities in Las Vegas you

must have come into contact with the names again of Giancana

and Roselli

and the other group that was in Las Vegas as opposed

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the Cleveland group with loe Dalitz and some of the other

mobsters?

Mr. Sheridan.

With Dalitz, yes, because Dalitz and his

group were in the Stardust, and the Desert Inn, and they both

had received pension fund loans.

The people like Giancand and the others, the Mafia people

like from Chicago were not involved in any of these loans, and

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don't recall, therefore, any direct involvement on our part

with those people.

: Mr. Postal. Un-huh.

Mr. Sheridan. You see, Dalitz was up front, and it is

kind of a unique situation because what you are talking about

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the Cleveland group who moved from Cleveland to Las Vegas.

and in the process acquired some degree of respectability, and

they owned the casinos, and they were on record, and they were

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The Mafia types like Giancana, who it was believed had

secret interests in these casinos, were not up front and so

our interests were on the loans, and the pension funds, and the

pension fund was dealing directly with the Dalitz people, loans

to other casinos, where the Mafia may have had direct interest.

it was not apparent and we never got into it.

Mr. Postal. Did you ever have occasion to look into

interests in Miami?

Mr. Sheridan. Sure.

Mr. Postal. Did you ever look into the Fontainbleu

Hotel?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

There again, there was no -- it was their -- but there

was no pension fund involvement, there was no -- there was :

direct interest of ours in the fontainbleu Hotel.

Mr. Postal. Okay.

How about Los Angeles? Did you ever get involved on

mob activities in Los Angeles?

Mr. Sheridan. We got involved in pension fund actavse:

in Los Angeles.

Mr. Postal. Uh-huh. In conjunction with that, did you

ever run across Johnny Roselli?

Mr. Sheridan. I knew who Johnny Roselli was, but he rever.

as far as I know, was involved in any of our investigations

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activity. It was just one of those things.

some of the mob

people were, and some of them weren't, and it just depends which

ones were as to whether we were going to be interested, like

Gus Zapaz, for instance,

in Chicago was involved in, so we

were interested in him.

Mr.

Postal. Did you know a man named Letterer from Chicago?

Mr. Sheridan. Not offhand.

MI. Postal. Let me step out of this particular line for

second.

Mr. Sheridan. Okay.

MI. Postal. And ask you this: at the time of the Bay of

Pigs operation, did you have occasion to discuss with the

Attorney General any of his feelings about the Bay of pies ::

the whole Cuba situation?

MI. Sheridan. Not really. I knew, I knew it had haoreres.

I knew it was a disaster, and I knew he was very concernes. ...:

I don't recall any conversation directly about that that to sri

I ever had.

Mr. Postal. Did he ever discuss with you his escaist:?:

involvement in the intelligence community after the Bay o' '::s?

MI. Sheridan. No. Again, I knew that he, I knew that e

had taken a significant role in that, but I don't think te

ever discussed it with me.

Mr. Postal. Uh-huh.

MI. Sheridan. It was his nature that he discussed !..

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with me that, I mean, so far as he was concerned what I was

doing was a full time job, and very important, and 90 percent

of our discussions were about that subject.

MI. Postal. Okay.

Were you aware, for example, of the fact that the Attorney

General was participating with General Maxwell Taylor, among

others, in a board of inquiry shortly after the Bay of pigs to

determine --

Mr. Sheridan. Yes.

MI. Postal. What had or had not happened with our

paramilitary operations?

Mr. Sheridan. Yes.

MI. Postal. Did he ever discuss any of it?

MI. Sheridan. Findings or anything?

MI. Postal. Yes, findings or information?

MI. Sheridan. No.

MI. Postal. Okay.

Do you recall ever -- well, let me ask you this way:

you recall ever hearing in April or May of 1961, this was

shortly after the Bay of Pigs, of a problem that arose wit.i

the prosecution because of the Central Intelligence Agency's

involvement?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

MI. Postal. Never heard of that?

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I have heard of it

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subsequently, and I have heard it in Jack Anderson, but I had

no knowledge at all of that at that time.

Mr. Postal.

Okay.

You were never shown at the time any documents that were

Mr. Sheridan. No.

Mr. Postal. Prepared contemporaneously with that problem? !

Mr. Sheridan. No.

MI. Postal. But if I showed you, might refresh your

recollection?

Mr. Sheridan. No. Again, there was, there was no need

for me to, there would be no occasion for me to.

Mr. Postal. Well, I understand that. But it seems that

fair number of people at Justice who were either involved in

a particular wiretap case, or were in a position to have had

access to certain people who might have known about it, and

heard the skuttlebutt, as it were, and while they may not have

had an institutional need to know, the word was around.

MI. Sheridan. I am sure that's true. But we -- I didn't

and easily could have, but I didn't.

Mr. Postal. So you never heard any mention of the Baletti

wiretap case, or Dan Rowan, or Phyllis McGuire or any of that

business?

MI. Sheridan. No. No.

Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear at that time, perhaps later

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MI. Sheridan. No.

MI. Postal.

Because of national security problems?

"r. Sheridan.

No.

Mr. Postal. The Attorney General never discussed anything

like that with you?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

MI.

Postal. Did you ever at the time, and I'm going to

focus your attention on September through January of 1962, hear

the name --

MI. Sheridan. What time period?

Mr. Postal. September '61 through January of '62.

Mr. Sheridan. Okay.

Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear of the name Judy Campbell?

MI. Sheridan. No.

Mr. Postal. If I can extend that period through April

of 1962 --

MI. Sheridan.. I have never to this day heard of Judy

Campbell.

MI. Postal. Do you recall in March of 1962 the President

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Mr. Sheridan. March of 1962?

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MI. Postal. Perhaps I can fill in a little.

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The President was making a speech at Berkeley, I believe.

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separate a trip in March '62 out.

MI. Postal. Well, let me ask you this, did you ever

recall hearing of the fact

that certain phone calls were made

by either Judith Campbell, or if you don't know her name, some

woman that had connections to the mob to Evelyn Lincoln in

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White House?

MI. Sheridan. No.

Who is Judith Campbell?

Mr. Postal. Judith Campbell is a woman who had ties to

both Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana.

Mr. Sheridan. I never heard of her.

Mr. Postal. I show you a memorandum, sir, and ast you .!

you have ever seen this document?

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MI. Sheridan.. No.

Mr. Postal. Have you ever heard any discussions relative

to the information contained in this document?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

MI. Postal. Then or now?

MI. Sheridan. No. I have never heard the name Judien

Campbell until you brought it up today.

Mr. Postal. Have you ever heard of any phone calls burni

made to the white House, if not by her by name, identified as

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Mr. Sheridan. No.

Mr. Postal. I ivould like to ask you, were you familiar

with the Secret Service practice and procedures that were in

effect John Kennedy was President?

Mr. Sheridan. Not really. I knew they were there,

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saw them, but I didn't know any of them personally, and the answa:

is no.

Mr. Postal. Uh-hui.

(Do you know the name Carlos Marcello?

Mr. Sheridan. Sure.

ME. Postal. Did you ever have an opportunity to.

investa;at:

Carlos Marcello?

Me. sheridan. (Not really, ot directly. and stres

left Justice when I was with NBC, we did a three and a lis!!

hour documentary on organized crime, and there was some

investigational travels of Marcello in connection with i-s:.

but even there I didn't directly do that investigation. i.::

was aware of it. But it had nothing to do with the desa::---:

of Justice. I am well aware of who he is, what he is.

MI. Postal. You are?

MI. Sheridan. Yes.

MI. Postal. Did you ever hear mention that Carlos

Marcello had any connection with the Central Intelligence die-=:?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

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Mr. Sheridan. No.

MI. Postal. Investigations?

Did you ever hear either rumors or theories that Carlos

Marcello might have been involved in the assassination of John

Kennedy?

Mr. Sheridan. I have heard rumors of that, sure.

Mr. Postal. What is your evaluation of that information?

Mr. Sheridan. Well, that's a good question. You see, when

I was with NBC, we did another special on the Jim Garrison

investigation of the assassination, and we discredited that

investigation very strongly to the extent that Mr. Garrison

charged me with public libeling and arrested me or had me

arrested. I surrendered, and ultimately we went into feder?:

court and got the charge dismissed. So I am quite familiar

with Garrison's investigation, and as a result of that, with

the Warren Commission investigation in the New Orleans area.

I must say not to the extent that many of the buffs are, bu:

I do know that Garrison and his investigation focused on a

man named David Ferry, who is a rather strange fellow, who

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an Eastern Airlines Pilot, or a former Eastern Airlines p1!s:.

and he theorized that Ferry was involved somehow with a bunc:

of Cubans, and that they had conspired with a fellow named

Clay Shaw to kill John Kennedy.

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was working for Carlos Marcello's attorney, and Carlos Marcello

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was on trial just prior to the assassination and I believe was

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I just think overall one of the forces that had a great

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killed Kennedy. I know of no evidence that anyone else was

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Mr. Postal. You said you had a suspicion that when you

mentioned that had Garrison

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proceeded instead of going towards the Cubans, rather towards

Marcello, that that particular line of inquiry would have borne

perhaps a good deal more fruit?

:Ir. Sheridan. ivo, I didn't say that. I said that if you

are going to start with ferry, it is just logical that you not

only investigate his connections with the Cubans, you also

investigate his connections with Marcello. Garrison may have

been and probably was completely erroneous in starting with

Ferry in the first place.

Mr. Postal. Okay.

Mr. Sheridan. Because I don't know of any involvement of

Ferry in the assassination. There was more involvement of

Ferry with Marcello than there was I think in any assassinatic?

plot.

He worked for Marcello.

MI. Postal. Okay.

Do you know of any specific reason why Marcello, as cuposed

to any other particular nobster, would want to involve himse!!

in this?

Mr. Sheridan. No. ilo. And I didn't think, you know.

if there was mob involvement, I don't think it would be on in!

local level. It would have to be something approved at the

highest level, it would be a total mob involvement, not just shell

involvement of one.

MI. Postal. So if "arcello was, in fact, involvod, it

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people rather --

Mr. Sheridan. Right. Right.

Mr. Postal.

Mr. Sheridan. Yes.

Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear of anything to indicate

that there had been a national edict issued or any national

discussion relative to doing something about the lennedys?

Mr. Sheridan. No. I think like anyone else, you look at

the people involved, and you look at Jack ruby, and Jack ruby.

was certainly a fringe mob character. ¡le knew a lot of peopie.

mob people, and Teamster people, and if you look at his toll

calls just prior to the assassination, you will see that rose

of them were to those type people. And his explanation of :.st

was that he was having disficulty with the union that had

jurisdiction over his help, I guess, dancers, waitresses, or

whatever they were, and that he was trying to solve that. ':!

that's why he was calling all of these people.

The FBI investigated that, the Warren Commission was

satisfied with the investigation.

1 is just one of the char:s

that arouses people's curiosity.

Mr. Postal. Were you privy to the private life of jor.

Kennedy?

MI. Sheridan. No.

Mr. Postal. Were you as close to John Kennedy as you :.e

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Mr. Sheridan. No. nowheres near.

MI. Postal. Nowheres near?

Did you ever hear that Carmine Bellino had conducted an

investigation on a very, very confidential basis out of the chise

Ilouse into either Judith Campbell or

into some woman that iou

didn't know who she was?

Mr. Sheridan. io.

Mr. Postal. But perhaps had heard that such an invest: a=:

had been done?

MI. Sheridan. No.

Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear that anyone in the hite

House had hired an investigator to look into certain as.a=::

of John Kennedy's private life?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

Mr. Postal. Including his wife?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

Mr. Postal. Off the record a second.

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Postal. I would like to focus your attentions: ....

relationship between Robert and John Kennedy, and Frank i,.1.

Let's start at the beginning. Do you know when anor:r..

mately that relationship was begun?

Mr. Sheridan. So far as I know, during the '60 canpa::..

Mr. Postal. The 'ül campaign?

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MI. Sheridan. I would think it would have been before that.

would think it would have been fairly early on in the campaig.

or in the administration.

MI.

Postal.

Do you wave any recollection of any reason

why that break occurred?

Mr.

Sheridan. It was my understanding -- and I don't on

I again why it was my understanding, but. it was my understandin:

that it was because ofCiancana's relationship or Sinatra's

relationship with Giancana./

MI. Postal. Were you familiar with Sinatra's relazions::p

with Giancana?

ir. Sheridan. I am sure I was, I am sure I was, a... :

know Sinatra's background pretty well.

MI. Postal. You do?

Mr. Sheridan. And I think I have always been a geca:

Sinatra fan, vocally, and a great Sinatra critio because o:

his connections with the mob.

Mr. Postal. You were aware, for example, that Sinata:

was more than just a friend of Giancana?

Mr. Sheridan. I don't know what you mean by that.

Mr. Postal. Jell, they had mutual business interests.

Mr. Sheridan.

No. I didn't know. that.

Mr. Postal.

Did you ever have occasion to discuss

Giancana's relationship with Sinatra

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155.

Mr. Bushong.

That

was in 1955?

Mr. Sheridan.

Right.

i!s. Bushong.

ile was

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Do you aver recall hearing job tane..

in conjunction with any wiretap case?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

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MI. Postal. Do you recall a meeting betiveen Robert denned:

and Mr. Hoover in May of 1962?

ir. Sheridan. No.

•!r. Postal. Did you ¿now

Henry Petersen while you were at

Justice?

i15. Sheridan. Oh, sure.

Mr. Postal. "Vere you close to him?

Mr. Sheridan. I was a good friend of Henry's.

MI. Postal. How about Bill Hundley?

ir. Sheridan. Yeah.

Mr. Postal. Did you know an attorney by the name of

Phil white?

*r. Sheridan. Sure.

Mr. Postal. Did you know Ed Silberling?

Mr. Sheridan. Sure.

MI. Postal. Silberling?

Mr. Sheridan. Silberling.

HI. Postal.

Silberling.

Bill Foley?

Mr. Sheridan. Sure.

Mr. Postal. Harry liller?

MI. Sheridan.

who?

MI. Postal. Jack Miller. I'm sorry.

it. Sheridan. Oh, Jack Miller. Sure.

le was mi tri;

MI. Postal. When section meetings were held in tre

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group or representatives of your group participate?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

"r. Postal. You had your own meetings with the lttorne:

General?

Mr. Sheridan. Yes.

Yes.

Mr. Postal. Did anyone from the organized crime section

sit in on those?

Mr. Sheridan.

No. In some key meetings, Bill Hundle:

would sit in,

meetings leading up to the, indictment of lofta.

for instance, Hundley sat in.

Mr.

Postal. Did you ever have occasion to discuss i..:

any attorney/of the organized crime section any of the -ati.-:

we have been discussing

today?

MI. Sheridan. I don't think so. I don't think so.

Mr. Postal. In other words, if it had been skuttlebu::

Jin the organized crime section, say from the level of terr:

Petersen on up, or from the level of Jack kennedy on u? aha:

people had heard rumors or stories about the Central Inte:::.rrec

Agency involvement in a wiretap case, or had heard about ...::

Campbell or had heard about any of these things, would jou sie

been privy to the basic skuttlebutt that was going on, or :

you think they would have told you?

Mr. Sheridan. Well, all I know is that there didn'- ..

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could have told me that. The fact that he didn't is probably

just coincidence, if they were thinking, if they had had

those rumors.

I never heard of this thing until I read it in

the Jacl: Anderson.

Mr. Postal. When you read about it in Jack Anderson, diu

you have occasion to discuss it with anybody at that time?

Mr. Sheridan. Oh, probably. Maybe Hundley. But I don't

remember what he told me, if I did.

MI. Postal. At the time of the Jack Anderson column --

Mr. Sheridan. I don't remember when that was. Do you

know when that was?

ilI. Bushong. In January, 1971.

MI. Postal. In any of your discussions, did you learn ::

any information that went beyond the information contained :-

Jack Anderson's column?

MI. Sheridan. Well, I don't remember what was in the

column, but I don'e think so. Generally what I rememiered ::

being the alleged facts are what was in that column.

Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear, from whatever source,

that Frank Sinatra had made certain representations to cort-i

people in the mob relative to his position with the kenner!s?

Mr. Sheridan. Yeah.

Mr. Postal. You have heard that?

Mr. Sheridan. I have heard that.

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MI. Postal: Can you tell us what you did hear?

Mr. Sheridan. I have heard that in effect that he made

representations

that he could have influence, and that when ie

attempteù to exert that influence, that precipitated the breai

in the relationship.

MI. Bushong. Well, that's not what you heard. Was i?.

heard-was that he made those renresentations, and then tic =es=

of that, that when ile attempted to, that that precipitated tro

break, you didn't hear that at

the same time, those two thiags?

Mr. Sheridan. no. really, it's the other way around. :

heard that the break was caused because he had apparentl: rai

those representations, ari went to either Robert ienno...: 5=::=

President on behalf of Giancana, and was rebuffca, and tiat :!=

caused the break.

MI. Postal. But you did near that Frank Sinatra ent

to the President on behal! of Cinacana --

Mr. Sheridan. Or Robert jennedy. I never knew was.

Mr. Postal. I see.

And tien he was involved in a.a:

attempt, and as a result, the solit with Sinatra followed?

Mr. Sheridan. Yes.

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Mr. Sheridan. I don't know. I don't know if it was ta=:

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Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear of any other attempts, rot

necessarily Giancana only, but the mob made to try to get to

either of the Kennedys?

Mr. Sheridan. I don't think so.

Ar. Postal.

were the kennedys also friendly with Bing

Crosby?

MI. Sheridan. I

seem

to remember they were.

MI. Postal.

Prior to the time of the break with Sinat??.

would the President stay at Siratra's house in Palm Sprinas?

Mr. Sheridan. I have neard that he did.

Mr. Postal. If the President were given informatio. ::

told that it would be inadvisable for him to stay at ?::".

Sinatra's house, would that most likely occur around to :.

of or after the time of the break with Sinatra?

MI. Sheridan. This is all speculation. I assume :..

would all be connected.

MI. Bushong. Hell, isn't it true that the attorne:

General and perhaps the President were receiving couns:::-

from persons such as J. Edgar Hoover and others who were

of Sinatra's ties?

MI. Sheridan. That is true, I'm sure.

Mr. Bushong. All along, that it was inadvisable. pe:-

not using that strong a term with either of those two sis::

gentlemen, but all along that it was not a good idea to :.

chumming with Sinatra?

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MI. Bushong. Do you know of that firm now?

Mr. Sheridan. No. I know who Ed Morgan is. I have never

heard of Tom Walsh.

Mr. Bushong. Now, there are a number of ld Morgans, as

might be expected, in the District of Columbia.

One of them

is a newspaper, television, radio news person, anú another is

an Ed Morgan who took a plea after Watergate. Lind the thiri

Ed Morgan is a gentleman uno las a professional relation --

Mr. Sheridan. Is an attorney.

Mr. Bushong. Is an attorney and has a professional

relationship with John Roselli, and at the time that this 1og

was made, had a professional relationship with robert "aie..

Mr. Sheridan. Right. I assume that is the Robert

Morgan you are talking about.

Mr. Bushong. It is.

Mr. Sheridan. I know those things now. I did not know

them or him then.

Mir. Bushong.

I see.

Thank you.

Mr. Postal. Do you know Phil Reagan?

Mr. Sheridan. Phil Reagan? The Singer?

Mr. Postal. Uh-huh.

Mr. Sheridan. I have heard of him, sure.

Mr. Postal. To the best of your knowledge, did he or i

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Mr. Sheridan. I don't know.

Mr. Postal. You don't know?

MI. Sheridan. No.

Mr. Postal.

Here the kennedys either -= let's specificall:

home in on

Robert.

was he friendly with Mayor Daley?

Mr. Sheridan. I assume he was.

Mr. Postal. Do you happen to know if Evelyn Lincoln

is?

Mr. Sheridan. No.

Mr. Postal. Did you ever accompany Robert Kennedy to

Los Angeles?

MI. Sheridan. No.

MI. Postal. To the best of your knowledge, did anyone

"ever investigate the possibility that the mob could have been

involved in the assassination of Robert Kennedy?

Mr. Sheridan. Robert Kennedy?

Mr. Postal. Robert kennedy.

Ir. Sheridan. No.

MI. Postal. I have nothing further. I would like to crani.

Mr. Sheridan for coming down and talking to us this mornina.

(hereupon. at 11:24 o'clock a.m., the interview was

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