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PART 11 - OPERATIONAL INFORMATION

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CONTACT AND DEVELOPMENT

AMD BY MHOM SUBJECT DAS FIRST CONTACTEO DA DEVELOPED.

Beadquerters requests, Loadon Station officer George E. KatZenbach

contacted subjest in London in mid-January 1955 for tice purpose of debriefing din on

his experiences In the pro-Chicon milieu in Africa and vestern Europe up to the time

of his departure from the staff of Revolution in sping 1964.

Tais was folloved up by

In-depth debriefing sessions carried out by Katzenbach in & PESHING conference rocu

on the basis of thise talks 1t vas decided to recruit

Subject for e test assigment in Algiers during the summer of 1965 during ubich time

he solê attempt to build long-term access and cover for reporting on activities and

persocalities in the Airo-Asian community. KUDaSK/ICC sta?fer Joseph S. Iffany

ves dispatched to andon IN! 1-T June for tinie purpose.

son After recrultrent end

egreement to ICFlUTTER exanination, Subject was introduced to his Paris-based Case

INDICATE INITHER SUAJECT

COULO BE TURNES OVER QUICKLY AND IT A SECURE MANDER TO NAY

MAADLIDE, DE SO, INDICATE TO MOM.

Jes/ IO eny Case OffIcer introduced to him by RODIGAST, TIPANY OF

FARZENBACE.

FOR

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LIST OTHER CASE OFFICERS UNO MAVE HAMDLED SUBJECT ON

OMON ME AMONS ON HAS «AORT.

BEEN

KAVLZABACE - Kon to Subject as "Parl Wilson"

TIPPANY

BODICAST

"Robert 'Bob' Gustke"

"Pal Weller"

THICH THET MAVE

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SECTION

KOTIVATION AND COMTROL

SE SUBJECT-S ROTAVATION, (BO deRAilad, ll poorablo cAro dUIdanco, Do Dol no alOcA coMes diel as

Subject's lack of funds and a job are of primary isportance. Hla seed for

But of even

GreAtEr BigalfiCAnCe 18 hle desire to effect bla Long-range rebabllitetion in order

not to be stuck is the soress of the lspecundous and "norally fraudulent" extreme left

INDICATA MAT CONTROL, IT ANY, EXISTS OVER THE SUBINCY, (Al do ConerOl, Or il thero in a lach of rual control

Neo Important in Subject's motivation 1s the sense of

for the sest of his I'll ibe Game', vaich 1s enbanced by his desire to deceive

adventure connected vita

(to put one over on) those perzons, such as Yerges, uho exploited and deceived his.

sabl. evinces deep contempt for tbese professional revolutionaries and ubat be

refere to, vith feeling, as their "oral srand".

nond fartrehaHila quite strongly 1a tbe ereR ol Subject's matertal vellero and

SECTION 111

COVER

1. COVER USED EY SURJECT SNO CASE OFFICER IN TMEIR MERTIDES.

Subd, explained to his vito that "H1lson" (Intzenbach), ho telepbaned bie bose

vas an AMerICan publisher's representative.

Saby, and Rodigest will use a journalist/

Isterary sgent cover 1s the unlibely event their clandestine seetings are compromised.

COVER USEO OY SUBJECT IN OBTAINING MIS IRFORUATION AND IN CONTACTIMG MIS INFORMANTS.

reelance Jour:11st, author. aympathter distiat

INDICATE SERVICE FOR MAICA SUALET THINNS ME (Bill PORN) (88 MOrNING).

AUBARK

SECTION

INTELLIGENCE CONDECTICNS AAD TRAINING

EXPLAIN

JUDJECT'S ANODA PAST OR PRESENT CONTECTION DITH ANY

SUCH COMNECTION IS ANORA

OVERTLY.

OTHER INTELLIGENCE SERVICE, INDICATE THE EXTENT

Subj, applied for association vith KUBARK In 1950 and agala In 1960; bla enezdes

have tried to discredit him by calling bia a KUBARk agent, but there 1s good evidence

that this runor caspelen bas not hurt his snong his trends, even his trends on the

extrere left of the polltical spectrum. No know I. S.

consection.

LIST OTHER INDIVIDUALS (AGONIO,

fricada) MO ANDS OF SUBJECT'S PRESENT INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES.

sons.

EXPLAIN ANY TRAINING SURICT MAS MAD IN CLANDE!

310nS.

Baste security tradecraft briefings in London 1 - 7 Jue 1965;

Sul trainlag 19 ParIs 14 June • 1965.

SECTION Y

CORLABORATION POTENTIAL

INDICATE OTHER FOREIEN PODER SUBJECT MOULO DE MOST LIMELY TO COLLADORATE DITH BECAUSE ON MIS IDEOLOGY OR PAST

ASSOCIATIONS.

EXPLAIN.

BrItlah.. Sabl, resided 11 London Iron June "6l to June "65, Els VIle 1e

a Brittan subject.

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OPERATIONAL USE - CONTACT

IT SUBJECT MAS BECO

USCO DA COMTACTED DEFORE, INDICATE ACTAVITY IN OMICH ME MAS CAGAGED AND MA TYPE OR ANTON-

MATION ME MAS CUNNISHED.

In December 1963 Subj. was intervieved by & consulate officer in Paris for

information on lee Harvey Oswald, who reportedly had some contact with the Fair

Play for Cuba Commulttee.

Subj. vas completely co-operative and the interviewer

suggested follor-up, but the contact ves dropped.

INDITATE MOO AND FROM INDM SUBJECT OSTAINS INFURMATIDN.

subf, ellelts Information from his broad eircle of friends and acquintances

1s the AfrO-AsIan/ 11beration novement areas.

INDICATE DHAT HAS DELM TOLO SUBJECT AS TO THE DISPOSITION OF IMFORMATIDS ME FURMISHES.

Hothing

DETAIL

SUBJECT-S PROPOSED TE OR CI TYPE USE OR DUTIES.

Subject will operate under free lance joumaliat cover to develop contacto

In the target sillea of Afro-Astan "Ant1-Impertal1st" activity and sollelt informa-

tion fron them on their activity, plans and tievs.

It 1s possible that such

contacts may lead to a possibility of employuent or assoclation vith some organ-

Ization in this fleld, but whether or not he will be instructed to accept will

depend on the specifle nature of the job and sintlar factors vhich cannot be

anticipated nor.

DETAIL SUBJECT'S PROPOSED PA-PU TYPE USE OR DUTIES.

Io PH duttes of use 1s anticipated. lo systerstic CA exploitation 18

antiespated given the rist of compromise. Selective CA explostation within his cover

BItustIOn -1.e. as 8 provacateur or meaos to surface anti-soviet saterial

sron a "National Liberation" standpoint - vill be coutinually possible.

SECTION YIN

PROPOSED LIAISON OR OPERATIONAL ACTIVITY

DETAIL SUBJECT'S PROPOSCO bLAISON TYPE CONTAGI OR OPERATIONAL USE:

A. OMFRE SUNJECT IS AN OFFICIAL MENDER OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT:

•. THERE SUNJECT IS

OFFICIAL MEMBER OF AN ODYOKE AGENCY:

SECTION VILI

AGENCY RELATIONSHIP WITH SUBJECT

EXPLAIN MATURE OF AGENCY RELATIONSHIA MITH SUBJECT, 1,E, TRAIMER, OPPOSITE MUMBER, MEMUMERATION, IF ANY, AGENCY

reason"Suby "bis suitchitract for 1 June - September 1965 providing for salary of

$500.00 per sonth, son-accountable expenses of $100.00 per month and per dien

camputed at the rate of $20 for days spent travelling to and Iron Algiers and

$10 for period of residence in Algiers.

(The $10 rate represents an oral amendment

to the contract.) This la to be renegotiated o/a 1 September for extension to

THO YEArS VIüS jO-uay

Trinestion Cause.

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SECTION IX

QUALIFICATIONS FOR OTHER OPERATIONS

INDICATE SPECIAL ABILITIES, TALEMTS, OR QUALIFICATIONS POSSESSED DY SUBJECT MICH COULO CONCEIVADLY 8E GE VALUE

FOR OTHER OPERATIONS.

Subject's skill as uriter/editor may qually hin for cA work.

SECTION X

COMMITHENTS

IT IT IS PROPOSED TO PAY SUBJECT A REGULAR SALARY.

IADICATE THE DEENLY AMDUAT. IF PAYMENT TO DE MADE IN LICHANGE

COMMODITIES, SUASIDY DR OTHÍE MÍDISE, SPECIAN AND GIVE DETAILS.

See Section VIII. In addition it is set forth In the Letter of Agreement

With Subject, that XUBARK v1ll compensate Subject for any relocation of his family

required by virtue of an approved change in place of employment.

1955, OTHERMISE NOT COVERCO MEREIN, MADE TO SURJECT, PEXPARIO: COnDiTaRALA 1O

see Letter of Agreement. KUBARK recognizes its moral obligation to protect subject

against any adverse action which sight result from activities engaged in by Subject

at the request of KUBARK during his period of employment.

SECTION XI

CE AND SECURITY

INDICATE THE FIELD AGENCIES MAD FIELO FILES MITH ONICH

SUBJECT'S MAME MAS BEEN CHECKED ANO THE RESULTS.

London, Alglers, Paris Station files; JAGUAR, ODENVY traces and reports are also

Included in saterial available on Subject.

INDICATE OTHER IAVESTIGATIVE MEASURES TAKEN TO VERITY BIOGRAMICAL IMFORMATION FURNISHED aY SUBJECT.

Reports have been received by various @KOPERA contract agents.

INDICATE SHETHER OR MOT PROVISIONAL OPERASIQNAL APPROVAL OR OPERATIONAL AP.

PROVAL

Ho PoArequired sader

B. DATE APPROVAL OBTAINED

EVALUATE SUBJECT'S CHARACTER.

RELIABILITY RAO SECURITY, CITINE EVIDENCE THERE POSSIBLE.

Subject is a rather cynical intellectual. He has a keen sense of what is in bis

best interest, hovever, and there is xer every reason to belleve that he considere a

reliable and secure performance for XUBARK to be in his best interest. He sboved

a good sense of security in commmications during his recruitment period. LOFLUTIER

exanination 13 June 1965 revealed no deception by Subject.

B. EXPLAIM ANY SITUATION OR

IMDISCRETION IN OMICH SUBJECT MAY MAVE BEEN INVOLVED AHICH MUST BE EVALUATED FRA A

CE/OPERATIONAL SECURITY VIEMPOINT.

Watle varking for AFP in Paris (1958) Subject forged the signature of a personal

enemy, Ollie Harrington, to a letter to the editor calculated to get Harrington in

trouble vità French authorities.

subject ahsaned of this action.

SECTION XII

SUBJECT'S PERSONAL MABITS

1. USE OF LIQUOR, DRUGS: GAMBLING. PARAMOURS.

Ilquor in moderatiion, no drags. He is believed to have engaged in extre-sarital

sexual affairs, but in & discreet sanner.

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SECTION XILI

IRRICATE SUBJECT'S

HOBBIES

SECRET

AVOCATIONAL INTERESTS

EST 18 SPORTS, MUSIC, ETC.

Hone known

SECTION XIV

GENERAL

1001/912

THETHER

SUBJECT'S LANGUAGE

ABIRITIES AND OTMER CHARACTERISTICS, ANE SUCH AS ME COULO PASS AS A MATIVE

OR A COUNTRY OR DEGION OTNER TMAN MIS ORA.

EXPLAIN.

sabject speaks fluent but foreign-accented french. He has a functional speaking

command of Spanish and Italian and can read German. Exoept for his languago,

be could pass as an Algerian.

WHETHER IFORMATION

IN PRO PARTS I AND 11 DAS OBTAIMEO AY RESEARCH, CLANDESTINE ASSESSIENT. FILES,

CORRESPONDENCE OR OTHER MEANS.

All source, including extensive intervlew of Subject during the period

January - June 1965

IF OTHER THAN

ROUTINE ACTION IS

200 ряго. АЗь.

supra,

Hone anticipated

EXPLAIN.

(Also

SECTION

XY

EMERGENCY

CONDITIONS RECONTACT ARRANGENDITS

GIVE FULL DETAILS I.E. RECOCHITION SIGNALS, SIRE AMERE COULD CONTACT BE MADEI MMAT DORA FIDES COULO INDIVIDUAL

original"!

bethod of contact vas phone call to Subject's home (by Katzenbaca) using

is the nane Wilson.

Suosequent RODIGAST contacts have been laid on at prior meetings

and vary as to time and place. As signal is provided for (renoval of glasses, which

both wear) should elther wish to prevent the meeting. A simple carbon-pad type, low

Level Sw was used by Subject for sending emergency messages to a Paris drop.

This

has been replaced by an open code system to cover specific requirements, laid at on al

each meeting

SECTION XVI

MISCELLAMEOUS OPERATICHAL DATA AND REMARKS

ICHLUTTER exemination Of Sabject o/a 13 June (no deception reported PALP 4056). .

DATE

29 June 1965

SIGNATURE OF APPROPAIATE SEMIOR OFFICER

Austin Goodrich (CI/IOG/Ops)

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DISPATCH

QASMACATION

SBORET

TRATON SYMBOL NO NO

0541-43,459

HEADOUANTERS FUE NO.

TO Chief, rEPASt, Ebler, IGPIPIT

ONTO

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2i:I, WE; Chief,

HOMIeS of Station, London

SUBJECT

STEBONY JAGUAR

JAGUAR Report of STEBONY Surveillanos

ACTION REGUIRED

оліє 28 Juno 1965

RE '433' - ICHECK "T ONE

MARKED FOR INDEUNG

NO INDETING REQUIRED

DEXING CAN BE NOGE

Y QUAUFED HQ. DESK ONE

REFERENCELS

1.

jurbuant to

tho suggestion contained in DIR 04341, 23 April 1965,

ve asked JAGUAR to lay on Buah overage as they could nanago. Alter some

rocks has passed, and JAGUAR had not noved in this direction, ve repsated

our request, pointing out that STaBChY/1 vould soon be leaving.

Sbort

handed and haspered by certain restrlotiona, JAGUAR moved in to do viat

thay oould, and their coverage vas due to start almost at the same time

as TIFFANY vas to begin his meetingo with s/1.

He contacted JAGUAR and

told then to lay off (much to our chagrin) for the time being.

This they

did, but then, nithout our being advised, they resumed their coverage.

He don't knoy araotly bor long they sotually had him in their sights,

but they have now given us a lotter (tert below) suggesting that he vas

natohed on 5, 6 and 7 Juno.

A JAGVAR officer advised us informally

that s/1 "seenod to be out'of tom" for one or two days. (TIFFANY bad

nentioned that he night take S/! to the country for a day, but ve don't

know whether in faot he did so.)

2. Here 1a JAGUAR's notes

"As explained in conversation on the 8th June, 1965, vo

have received a report on S/l's novements during the perlod 5th -

7th Juno, 1965.

Nothing of interest ves learnt about his noverents

on the oth and 7th June, but you may be interested in the following

Intornation relating to the 5th June, -

95/1 10ft his home at 11.25 and travelled by tard to

the Haynarket where he entered the American Express offloes.

He obtained a ticket for an air passage to Brussels and

a train journey to Baslo, thenos to Lausanne and Paris uhere

he ras due to arrive on the 10th Jurie.

He paid b20-29-1d

for his ticket.

is left the Amerioan Express at 12.30 and

subsequently returned hone at 13.20 hours.

"He left home again at 14.05 and went to the Clarerdon

Court Hotel in liaida Tale.

He came out of the building

after five minutes and vandered around for trenty minutes

before returning to the hotel.

He stayed there until 18.45

when he left alone and returned hone.

The JAGUAR offloeI algo told me that 3/1'8 contaot at the Clarendon

Court Hotel was not identifled by the surveillant, who in faot did not

know which room S/1 had visited. the contaot, of course, vas TIPFASY,

registaIod aB GUSTAB.

sit in.

Georgo E.

KATZSNBACE

Distributions

KUDESK

2-Chtof,

LCPIPIT

3 chies,

H3

chief, AP

2-Chler, KUNOLP

63M 1

Tastes 777 satanatic

FORM

1D-57

4,7

REFACES DOLLOTION

USE PREVIOUS

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CLASSINCATION

201-3060.52

3': J8x1955

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SACHET MAPON

CRIOT, NUMOLES CARES, MISES CUleS, Al

Cot al Scarson, Aleteras Color of Starsoo, Loadon.

CASAS Of StATION, PATIECPINTT

DIDORIE/OPOTATIONAL

ORPASY SRUBCDING thA GOOd TAID STROSONY

Do PAbS 8056

Do 8A68 8057

ACTION SORESTOR fara 7o Para do Para 160

SAN MANY

DA 18 JUISE 1355 21530114/1 HOt SIAL'S CArTON ADANT MUTUS P. PODINAST

In Paris in ascordAncs tit's Instructions and for the nixt three days undortsat

'dEDT1e$1N53, 11011059, An LEFUSTER eXAMIARtIOn, And traINInE lI prOpSTAtION

SET bIS BUMBEr 1365 RABIANNA LE NIJIOTE. At the cenclusion ol thle pariod

has absarbed Eitfieloatly tha guidano sivan biss.

Rad raspandod SatIAIDOtOTIly tO CASO OfflOSE OrtTO), MIS AppATeNtLy olDAT of

Dasth trial employient.

~ ATTACTEHIS DOS.508

to Idoris.

BO BODIDASI CONtADE TOpOTES fOF 12, 14415 JUA MARTINES

CO BODIGNST TODOTE On SIRBATYA'S COrEDatO so PreatE

Pason DocumentatIor Center, 111802..

D. RODIDASY JODOTE EA STRPOL, 'S COSSANTA TO thA

C/AP V/AttA. A, B,P MoBod.

cos sondon a/atto A das.0.

- ChA n/atta, h07, F0D tadoc.

ONLA 2555

КОНТ КАРОК

JUN 2 9 1965

25 боля 2985

807-30605.

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SPCHET /KAPOB

OPRA 2555

B1B relAtIONAhID to TilliT OVEr thA Longer paTIOd bas apparently

Jens ol considarable inlatest to his, to tine extent that la suerad ha moula b

Interasted in Boes sort of carDer etatus wits LUBARI (with mattresent benefito)

ANd pONtIADS OUs day a "TORE 00F9Tt" pORltion. At this tieS In OUr rOletsonably

MItA SIA, bONeVer, LIPIPTY lo COROeIDad prISINLy vlth ubas to do Mith his

2a 1 septester 1265. In faCt, LI TIAS Of UDO 19-20 JUne devolopents In Al81e58

and tha possible postportunat of sort Ol tha sotivitios sa vas to cover la

EsTaTEs to saNEtabils bITalI as s logirlsata propagadlet for rational llber

Is the days End MENta tO COUR NO M11L DO repOStIDE S/2'8 prOSTeRS 8s

ho salatas his scorpiletsenre end problems through sit cosmications and 13

TOPY1NES VIZA MODIJASI. Ho shall bo subaltting recossendationa on 3/1's Loages

" to constant evaluation end salyala tirlport tha series, nod ne vill approslate

continued and coardinated guidanos on hos bast to exploit tha miqua potential

represented by tuls aseat.

¿ ICPIPIT SUPPORE FOR THE SERBONE OPERATION

RODILAST 18 INCAR tO S/1 under tha allso "Paul

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OFRA 2535

D. DA LA RON 15 JURS RODIZAST agAIN DAt WIth BA jOr furthaT

dobrioslaza on tha lattor's contecte in Parlo, PODIUAST then briarad bir on:

SaraNdad 1A DIR 18207 dad DIR 18675.

BODIGAST' 8 TOPOTtS OR EDODO ESeTIAga

RJO alsO Inaludod In Attachment 8 (096). Do 14 Juaa S/1 vas pesead $500.00

Do an adrance on hia por dies sod traval expanses for his boxt bootlay with

BODIUASTO BODICAST CONSIDATE SIL In apt student uno learDed the S/ll system

131I 15 DORS TWO ROUTA OR LASTIUNZION. PATIA KUAIDI OSTLOAT DONINY Doted

DOMa CATAlARITARs On S/l'a part 1s tha test sesancos, and this nas aubragrant)y

brought to sl'a attention la the ovorall seourity brieflag ba received pron

HODIDAST.

So too commalontlons syrton antabllated with sa constare of

procarranged contins Birds and Blons, a coo-kay sli systen, and the une of the

JAERIFIed AdVertIBInZ DeStIOn Of the MIEleTE MI HoULlerid (roceived dally lI

ParIa) by SA to signal a pootponement of non, lay dates.

Tos obo-may systema vas

abacon for UbLe InItIal stago of ths asiat's operational relatlonship with fUDdlI

TOT PARROTS al sCUrItys SITen tha OperatIonal climato in Alelers and the

appolfio circles in unich S/= nust sovo, and addinz to los sudden palleical

uptraval in AlgoTle, S/1 Mould not be 18 s position tO MROsITe 1100008 cOu

As of 23 Jena 3/2 bed 1A1tiatad S/ll correspondenco, bie 10111al

afTOrE baLas aaariS LaZIble Mad the caRiant operationally vartiabila. (800

Attacherast ?).

6. ThA nEXt RODIDAST cOnteot Ulta SA 18 sobodalod for 15 Jaly 1n

100.

(Зe8 ОТА 2538 SOT LITIPIT' В ОФАН РОХ вахо stazin вирроґt.) І

Then of the evence that have just takon placa In Algarla loa EeRtInE way sell

Do concerned an mach with rethinking 3/1's operational abjootives for tha

parlod falloutag 16 July as ulti daterlefings, brterlass, sal passago of funda.

Even though tarant Indientions are that BertinI Il IlLl pressed as schedules.

1E La quastLoaRDle Moothar tha AlJA or tha AltO-halan tore a conforenos vill bo

bale in Algiata thia surr.

HOTDOTOR, CHATO 15 DO BESUTADOR AL IDlE NS1ZIП8

Chat MININGI, Mill not ba oither pastponad, cascalad, of sored alsoniero. Nod

„to thes tha posalblllty that IlEl A algas be on los sona profiting tron the

sodden 8158 In tha political fortunes of be IrLeadE, dad Algiery suddenly

10sas soro of 110 appool as un area in unich to carTy out a useringTu tast

of s/l's opsrational capabllitles. Ins nost three wooke will tall us such

and partripe alley marty of our apprabaasions.

almons ma art fasciquarters to addrass It8 attention to tone und to othe

malopsental targate and to onblo recornendations and guldence pIloT to l

1 to travas to Dar as salsas to look into the doo anur a

A 1953 AGO DY DORASO POSERA

87 la proced to Brianals to continua davelopment of IUKA B

propels and pal to retara do lates do to a reports nod aporational

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8. THO BBOOKd ARDIDASE URBLIng Ol tDS BUNAr WItA SA 18 tentetIvelS

scheduled for tha sacord neak in August, airo to le detarinad, Addroessos ell

kaon that M's n1to 18 exporting theis third anlld ale Il Alguet and that 8/1

Intendo to la in London st that t199 18 at all ponsiblo, Althongo be tald

RODIGASI DO nould fOraJO e visIt to Loados al that tHE 1l 1t Mare operationally

18Z359I1, b0 Mali flod 1t 111-10u18 to justily hla absonos lo his vilo valoras

DA MOTO tO haTe a trly fleusiblo and urgent coras asalyment. Ha salut tberaforo

anticipato in all 115allboad thas S1l vill la out of sotion sor dost of tho

aSECAd MARX Of AUgUEt. IN ANY EVEAT, RODIGASI vill Arabably ba abla to soat

8/1 sonsubaro 111 Europa noen 1/1 returas to ha 11th his uifo and nill as that

tino hopa ro ba la a position to discura vita &/l lo best employoast of bla

talents for the balmes of tha tureo-nonth contradt parlod and to partus vith

hin his longos renga utllization es vollo laodquartara viero, thas, aro pescad

boch sith respoot to tha menke lanodiaraly fallondus the 15 July sostiag

reforred to 11 esa previova parastapa as vell as vich respect to the post

aragust pariod.

9. ADUlAlOtrAtIVAlY, ILPIPIT DAR DO fET Readad 37 to the estent

os 8700.00 and has 1s1tiated rotion to bare his salary and sonsosountable

operational advenco dapasirad to bin sulas bank account. thass payuente aro

being nado 1n edvance because of s/l's initially prossing financial soede.

It 18 out underotanding that the 1 July end 1 August 1965 daposito of $500,00

to s/l'8 sulsa batis aocount will ba affected deduraly and on tima throngta

BINADA (DOR DIR 20944 And DIR 21703) Rotion vas also teteR YO CLATITy teo

qupotion of sl'e por diel. He have received his 1n1t1al acoountines sor tratal,

por dien, and sparational expentas for the period 8 - 12 Juno.

10. Os tha banla of inforartion avellable to LEPIPTI, S17 has received

Un sallortag payuents pron XUAlit sinos la vas 1lrst cortected la Iondon by

SHOrTO H. XAIZEHBACH IN JURVATY Of thLA JBar (Ne haVO Do recard at band of tha

KUBALL fUNdS PRROOd S1 DI PALRLAM OS FIBIRSIS)!

DASE

COMASHT

8300.00

400.00

400.009

400.00

200.00

500.00

200.00

200.00

200.00

500.00

гравя $3.200.00

1/25/65 (0/2)

Ора раунот per DIA 78506

2/23/65

Ops pEyORt DeT ORIM 21869

Apx12/65

Ops sayaent par DIR 29974

каy/65

Ops paganat por DIR 04371

6/2/65

Ора panz per DIR 04341 (8189188 borias)

6/3/65

Орв

вагату обтаною {от Гк/обі

6/3/65

Honrocountablo ops advance tor Jurra/65

6/3/65

Travel and por diera edranos

6/12/65

Travel Aduanas

6/74/55

travel and por den advanco.

al BRORBEATY SIPARARA InCUrTeS 19 Cnnaction vila sust aparationa

somal as nat ba airected os authoriood by obral.

adueRon es ad 87001f1Cally antharizad bs OUYOte.

•) compensation la an mount extually derrad upon for la talonario

1 817 and ble rently to a son realdenos 1l puch relocation la conaidera

sostrabla by s/r and abro.

d) por dion st.

horas i don te ato o 0.00 po ay darlas periodo es

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ESCHET /LAPOS

uord &30o

II. PELDOHAXY ASS

SFRHT

12. AL CHIA ERRGO IN IUBAZR'S TOLALIORENID MITA JIXBOSIA 1E S0

uall to sote dertein fartors ther tusi do lakoa tato ooaalderallon as no tora

o darles a longor-taro opsration centered on hls espabllitles dnd potential

or ths cato of bIuvity, 11 Do! proclalon, na Mill diecusa tsses factaro uadoi

PEXSOHAY, R8SET8L

UndorStradIay la a Lons llet ol paroonal conteore in leftvlng rovalutlovary

alrolos ond a soputation as sa articulaio end coxuítlod agltator 100 sAtlanel

2169534109 594010248.

1h. The Aguut enulas an air of soll-contidenoo nnd prosants bimolf

uall ant dyaenically In Intarparsonel reletlonsbipo.

Ho bas damoastratad ralent

BB e MOTTLAS JOUrDALLATo aspocIally al a repartar.

thilo no bave llndtod intor

satsan heto upon thlda to baso an ovaluation of lhe socureey dnd lharodlgtones of

hio roporte, thay bavo tendod to bo consistoni on lha ubole and seveal tha tortlnga

Of A Mind CapAble oI EtOrInr MOy VAEt ANQUAra Ol InPONatIOn Rddl rACallIaE 1E

tota maisal orimulation, El Eces to bava good cotad ol lha fressen lecazrago

enl con gut by 1nl Itallas and spanist. ls las bed coruddereblo esperioase

In IndernatIOnal travaL, epparantly aconscodetlAg Nall to verious doRTeRs

Ol dIBCONTOT: sOd DardELÍD ss tDa CEsO MNy rOgU1rO. Ho 18 sble tO uDe sncATos

end cape recardeta operationally, und ha pulally lesrnad alu tochnlouues.

15, Deonuso of hle caloring Mal Inolal chareotartorlos 3/1 oo

pRss relatITaly umotiond dn a HOrth ATTIARO, MaAs FAsteMONt, Souto loles,

OT ADATIERA NASTO, IntOT AllA, la ElVeS ¿De IApreBAlOs Ol balaz abda to

AtFIãA up ARoURI IrLBDdSHAAS 1922125 snAl CDA12J.

ROTATZAPIONE

"16o Mhls la a sijety ursa open to ooosidrreblo spoculation st

thís point, though there aro spocitlo notions und staterants on tha part ar

81. Ind1eat1n8 b0 has sought sone profeaadonal talatlonship with XuBAtK fos

tia undaratend, foT eswaple, that ha trled to esteblish oocitoot

ooporetiro unea erpetionod ty PISSAIItO FerLE La Molatioa to tha asersataaslok

of Prosident ZemnadT, and Usat ba tock a caloulated (1) tlox by ur1tlag le

ALTUOELY TO KUISAII 11 RDA MUNRI OI 1962 OTPUTIAZ DÍS PAXTIORS, IA ILA. OORtROKE

pley bard to soto

dE tha outoss that la LAd lO prOVA MLOBAll ovar tbe Datt tirea voalhs.

DAS IULIEADAS tO BODIJAST thAS NO MOUlA IISA tO DArIAT hIS prOBeDt ARROCLAZION

WItS HUSAIT intO a JORG-YATY CATAST TOlAtIoRAtIp Includlas rorlrosant.

2418000, ete.

HO 178 0011 allUled tO «A INUATOSt IN HOTKINZ fOI BODIOATT'S

Tlon' In a Z08s cOraM" CAPRCILY sOrArins 11 tss rutxeo.

18.

ano banle ous

istlon Mests Wt d d t ei

noarasde

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niv-

ESCISTLAFOX

arza 85%

= nia carLy taura virs toa london station en again in hla talke nich lodicas

organisation dad parsonalliLOs, 11 Dal the 101a105T, of the laTElAg faitiona

lo renatese bls birthriest and afflskashls, nor dose ba conalder niseall

11slojel astor starel Juara ol sofasaional enti-Papara activity. de

satiatre that ha tould soneday 11ba to satura bosa, Uncso ha double to

would be allowas to live don his pest nad fiert a see seroes in Piplus.

19. On tha basío al lafarnation amallablo to us us could sot

10, More in a strons cars for the argut that bard car! pavi

A OSalISORE TOLA in sOLITAtiaS S/A to COopAratO sitA JUlliT et thiM pola!

In 110a. All reports asphasios thai he vas not junt broke, but desaly te

dabt, shers ha bergm talking to London flation, subsaguantly la bas boat

TRoIving that anoUnto tO a salATy it a Tato DONattsI La AIsOaS al averaga

1OP & LUFADORS JONARILAL, 10Z RIOTS A FIOTOSELORAl SALI-BLES POTOLENSORATY.

stas ta bes and do valld cover story for sNything Other then tie first

Devassa (o) STon LAStRiA, ne cannot be sura that he has lar bls olfo, bla 13.

begatred afflinet. la 1a fults espable of thintlag ble operationally dad

"a Diatly srated that 18 takes sandy to "hora" la AJJATA dad that sorerty

So so tIrtua ta tha "saina tarla "

27. But 81l does not appear to be en out and out israssary.

TuBTs BEst is othaT festors thes BoNey alons thas sould lead bin to COeparate

wett KlaNk. It osuld vell be that so la 1990t1n6 philosophically to e

pulloos on 11f0 that let bla dos despita pears al devoted cultivation. in

the LEng debEleSsnes ha rarely. 18 ever, sellened arrasa uno ba felt dad

ally senasplianed sarrang as a prarezzional loit-ning sorolutlonary ve

• Indications thAt la JOgards llE actITities over reCeNt JeRrO As sOcAI

meandiate though there la l1tile indlention thai ba dida's sajor mus al

uhat to did or that la don's actsider tha causs of the national liberation

Jenato a just end banarablo conso. Ba Maja sialy, bato reapprateed l

MaltS Os BONO Jars al TovalutIonary RstITIty MilA a sanelbas javadiel

Aya Mal declled 1t Nas ilEs for a ebanga.

2a Sarsalaly S/2 ballia s centineing casa about tha seaacos

for the brosk with lüFt 6, bat 1t must ales ba noted that Ideolasy to not

The not renalt sacred to de a roll of ferratsan

It sas his invalverent with thats parliertions tia: 45159050d

'o operational interest i bla, s tinted contes a a sero

tra ba was, perhaps, basting la (unar ha probably ostridated) the soons

(ia saserts ho nes unfäithful and that his uife loan 1io de bave learned tron

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thangs sa bava no confiruatios of this fras 81). In sasch a alluation

KUsliT was ablo to affar 31 e oppartunity to, in affect, began entra, got.

out of a bala, rebulla his on unifestone, i sortaps onen balla up 800

24O It 1A INTETOBELAS tHAT LA hIA LONE OGNVATERELONS MIES ADDISAST

Da shoala ralso in quAstion al his KOtSTAtION AS 11 YO MRABAUTO ONTO Unat to

this jab fist to

na "sa tha loves at out of a balo" for thron santha dad explained that

•" Is protested that to sunt not thind that to had taber on

Di UNaè TOAllY Is 8 balo. Is claimed that bla dabta to his brothas in-lal

MATO DOt a JrARSIng INtrOT sE all. (ICKVOr, dUrIAS MlA LITTUITiS exerinAtIon

un are tald that ins ares in unlel ha reacted nost strongly vas that conoeralaz

personal ablleations, espostally tinasalal. be mere prablaz to flad out 1f

Do Mas IDAted Undos DoNO ablIzAtIon, IInNAClal os orhAraiDa, to COrtaIn of

Als sovalutionary associatos of the past too and a ball jears, and rebat

anuad sas as outpourins of all to mall und not so mall dasta so outed

virtuRly 10rg090 ha base. forthost knong thets was the deût of soul

s1,500 to his boother lo lon. thether os sot ha teals pressad to repay le

sor as important ds the fact that thora snea to be tieas uten lt nolgoa

390 Mving Sl tha last mare, the falloring report som BoDIaNsI

on lla l4 Jua converestion tits the Agant abould be given saraful considaratioas

"It BAR CleAr thAt NO NBE tallIAg 19, vithout spelliag it out in norde, that be

11 ENGE EP HIA MIAI tO COOTeTSSO MILA US beCaUES, OS parElY beCelse, La ba

solded Da vented to Do on our aldo. Do turn used apronalona 115a 'our mida.

I had the foaling that hs did not mant to DEy outright that be nas enragleg

his political arsentation for foer that te would not beltone hiss, but that in

feet ho alett very voll bo doing 8os I thint there was consthing perralee

In bla protestation that ho taen't tith un "only tor the soney'.

HAVE INO & CHLAR3E

20. ToA 20081 thAt OSA DA SAId Of S/1 IN BUENATIBINE hIA TOLAtIONELIE

MIES DIS TUBARE COnTACtO ED PRE lA that LA 1O Dot dacILO und passITA. lA

ApPRATE tO ba a sall-starter vith s sense of shat ls poodssary to got so

oparation off the grand. From his secount of his BOrk fOr IDEY C it world

appiar that is on hanastly ciate a fanst deal of eradis for putting ton

ma lah elition into bestosas.

27. TO data SAl bas asprassed so Maluotence to undertaks bla

"a bas, of COUrsa, DAdA a CABA fOS NATtIAS OUt Of FArIA, POe, OF

PATe TAtDAr URRa AlBlOTS er Djatarte, but tals vas prIOr to ids entertas

DOSTINE INOSIORS IS PATIO, FADICASI INA NITORSAd tO LIN IDA VITAl IspOrteaDe

of good assurity habits, not the leart of unich Innalins bach paresaal

RANION As WIll DROp Din oUt of eMprontalAg altrations (la raspest to blo

КХ бОГ ПЛАХ)®

290 8/1 DAS DONA OR ELIA fOR ALl MlA DOATINUA MIES RODISAST

be subaltied witbout haultation

Aledens and has been donned that RODISAST rOUEEt fOr EDA $20.00 pos 810m

ANTANADAN

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PATESTAPO!

aht de yp the 1109. Moodless to say, SERIaiY) acenad soor happy to ta

ME RODIVAgI MAS COSCOrDDd fOr Mla taISaTo.

aganto. PODIDASI a AXDOTIONOS 18 MORESUrInE In EHIO CORReAtIOn, and De baVo

DO TOSOTFEEIORA AbOL HODIUASTO AbLLITY YO KROP SMESOYA EOtIVatoS in tbe

months abord.

Zo A last ward os the natter of handltags tur ovas, so soc.

EL LAS BORlE MICH XATZOBACI, IIFPANY, UNA AQUIJASI And bas beRs fOrtboRalaE

Nith allo Thara 1s no Ind1oRi1on dt this carly slago that ba baa placed bla

TalatIoanhio MIta KUSAIL OA A POTENT-tO-DATIOn pLATA DOS ETO NO MUrO DA

bala ba escarrada to do so. As reprenentalives of autol: tha trrol

parRans dentlonad abora bave appinently persed sil'a trust, dad aspon

introzoed to his by ons of thes vould probably be ecosptad with tho tare

dogada ot confidanos shoald the introduation ol anothar case offioer bocons

100E395Y. In efteot, thas, ne fareras Do handlina problon with 8/1 ae sar

DA A ChARgO In CRsE OffIOSTO aleTt La conosrnado lia rould polat ourlo

though, that sil bas bosn handled sympatbotloally and virsout hostility to

data and that thass uno bave dealt ulta bla nould strangly aviso tira la

1011193nt direetson and against a provocativa os beaty-baratad approseta ro

suna a corpios and solf-cantored personality.

problema ans would katt to contand ulth in any operation. At tha esco

Elus 1t l0 that vary beatzround that maies him valuabio lo TUSARK. TreNafOro

no car dissot many lagioal apprabansions abort l1s partonal Loyalty ad

sotivatios (discussad perniously) and prossad to gusationa al operationes

ВОСИТІТУ

ta uld-1950's ntos, to the bant of out knonedys, la mara't aotivaly

Invalved in revalutionary sotivitles. Ho treses this arlginal danunslation

ta as lucident in maich ha resorbed to sona rether untaripulous practicas

(fOrZary Bad talos demmalation) to got an eratuhile friend aad CAJA susber

(math thase tife ha had bacos imalved) discrodited in pranos. (509.

Atteahment to ditA 43,272). 1209 upabot vas that 3/1 nas considered by meeay

UDO KART hIS 11 PASIO YO DO a KUTASI agSIt NiDO hAd INTOTIAA On NIE COMENERlES

aprend" to tha Pronos pollos. Proa that t1ea to the prosant the KazAil tag

bas stuct in cortala cirales, though SiNoi) feels thase tho really knoc

bãn, and thase tuportant revolutionertes and comunisto unon la tnosa and

so are lis potenzial tarjeta es a kulAli agont, bare largaly diecouabad teo

pensiblilty that this could be sa. Iara la no denting tha faet, bosavor,

that this damnalation 18 a handicap. It has bogs used PAlFiJ effootIvaly

"y hts last esplOjor, INEN A, lO buNT bla la a DISDAS oS pLAOCA HiSTO DO MAl

probably prontonel uninom. vertainly tha publication ol the denunciatios

1R LORA 6 dld Dot TAlEO hlA StAtUTO In DOrO quArteTS. LOND 7620 Indicatos

S) a enesios hava LIttLA deslro to LoE alopiAg dogs 110.

3io Surthereano, Will A tOnes et this norent to hold an groat

mudes aguinet a es s1 balde esalbut his, and IBH A DAY st111 bavo

bottor coonactions in the sallonal llberition noverent then S/1. Tale 1o

paolally so in vio al the 1y 31 Juna 1905 dontall of tha son Della

CRO IA ALENTIA, IDEZ A URA DOT & DAD BALLA MAR, and hiS fOrtUnAs doallead

ArD] 1D 1779500 РОРОГО ЧО КНВ ГО0 О8 ВВП ЗІГʼВ. ІН Л'& СТОМІ

Lint to Algasta a ponar ellta bas long deun saban sItal, sosording to s/1.

LA los papara ol 22 Juso na road tbat, in i "startllas devalopaent," Sona

Tan-President Habanad Ritar ten IntO Alstoro tan adle in Franco and

BA1A DO sAs TORdy LO "SETUDO hlA TOSPODAIbLlItIaR." la preUna that IDEN A

WIll soex la nona quieily to derito personal atvantata fron thle suddea otras,

In Algaria, As 1l operating In tha Aluarten pocurity ellmato vero not

pasandores enorgt, 8fs may wall bono lo contend with a tercette sounted by

Wai No

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OPKA 20%

200. Ao nosed ti

B1ACO JARRATY VItA ONlY ETUFPRA tO 81V9 AS A COUTOO. HLA WIlO, stO 18 &

arisolastions laftlot, l8 pressmily suaplalous of his activities, ba says.

largply becausa ha rosalved a phana call pron PaSiBi Loados in Jamzary.

explained It Has a FiPiVi: Joumallot pasaing through uno vishad to talk

u1ts him, to vasch she nos supposod to have istartads

"Why should socoose

mon Papills be interested in you, and, norsover, ihy sould you be interested

1A COSKLAG PET ARTThLAS OT ALYONE INE PEPPLE?"

S/A tOLd DODICATI that thA

backstopping effort inftlated by LOil 800d did not fully diegal bar abopelalin.

E/1'8 raaation to tha FLUTILA exasuation on tha question of "abat bis Miso

Intake ouggurts that the sattor le not lald to rent.

Jo. If Essan to be nost conceroad that his WIfe Dot find out

DA LA MOTKING SON OYONE, LOt ALODO TUBAII, RNd NO PTATUSO DO bAS TeRER tO

loed us to ballove he could not omt on bar discretion and lojalty in all

alrovestances. Its relationehip with bia siro, therefare, 1ssz be vatetzad

ulth sons caro to insura that 1t dons not comprise en undus basard or that

sha doss sot soods vulnerable in sona may to toross intadcal to hia artootiva

DABA IN ALB NOTS LOT FUNNIE.

Jo heldo fross sporalation abort posalble ropercussions in this

aros of their marital relationship, tbara remains tha quertion of cover 807

Doct $3,100 passad 8/12 by IlBAUT in the past als nonths. Mla uife has born

1n tha JournalIum busIass long enoura to knon that virtually unemplorad

Journal1ets ars not usually slura travel and salary advanods sately fos tha

astolse, espacially sion thair preos croientials aro largoly notional or

lia Daalnal apolisor has jot to so into publication. Till, us livE FORBON

to ballere ens has son mather nassang doubte de to the logitionay of s/1'o

pressat covar j0d, illo la saplfelt 11 Faragrapa 5 al the attachsant or

03LA 43,272.

33. OS 15 JUERA SA COld IODIJAST DIA MIIA tOld hLS On the pooreo

that a lotter to bin pros IDEN D varned hla to ba careful as thiags alete

Do "bot" for dia In Algarla." INN D had apparently heard of S/l'8 fartheortag

"FID IrOa catects in lioN YOrK and FATID, ANd 311 AUTIERS UNIA KORDA LANE.

al sla suspr's travels must be rather corson kaonlodia by son.

AE TIPPANY'& rOgUBEt S/1 20Z IUS E Inor Do Mas 1a PerSo

Ind SA saye thar latter "cara rushing around" to soe tie. S/l'a report

on this contact ras passed to th ParIs Station 17 Juas by LaPIPIT. In tha

JApOrE 18 Sh'S ANBABBLARE thAt IlSH l noald probably to ullling to talk

tO BODIGAST'S "DATULOO.

"Dio shall discuts this case further with Parte

With ida root omersations with S/1. Marafaro, tos posalbility of a

Rap bars sboold not bo Ispared.

1O. No Lar Es S/s's controte Mith lUBAil, la troNa DO one by

RoguaIntAnOes thaY hAVe IN OCOR In PArIS. It WAS LATERLY fOR thIS MeANO.

toRE SONIDAST WIll avoid halding future operational beatlas vite sA 1a

RODICAST hAS AlreAdy repOrtOdIDA rATher UNsetiLIng ASpATIOnOR Of

having sAl tall talmes

"I think I'va peon you pocaplace befara." RODILAST

aya this 18 pulto possibio, More 8/l over to stay in Paris for a conaiden

able length os time the chazoes era lot renado that SOULAST'S SCRAPilY

world do compromdead to 317.

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wishess

JANSTRATeLES

A1. THE QUARTIOR MI PATIIIIATION LO DOT ROBIANIO DE ENÍA EINO, SOST

1 Sapsaber 1965 mlosa spocisto conditions aro nor. Il 18 doubtstel that

JIBATI UILI INdOOd tATELDADA B/L On ther data unloas sual Rotion 18 Enda

SEPATUTITA 8OS TONSOOS OS DONTITY OT OS ETOSS LALIORSADDO On ilS pArt.

12. In tha MuRat of la tomation ol 8/1 ne forecas at thie

¿to Do prost onta for cohosta abort posalile repartuRalona agalnat lullala

PArASIDOl OF InStAllAtIOnS, In eddliloR tO tha UnS O$ AlleRGE, MODISAST' o

BORINGS WiCh his Will so la talrd COUntriAR, and S/l has not beca pread

classifiod intoration, In dons tasp ls his posturaion satoriale for tha

no of sill syrton fod. Is recolved trelaing in tha uns of Usera sitarsale

(Dad tatorat bla LIPLINIBA) & IN thA ApArTENDE Of tO LIPIPIS contreat

astonal. Inta spartant, & IPIPTi safebouse, tas uned only ande previorals

PoT a clAnderline BeatlEs, sad 1l Mill sot bo uned again for at lear ton

котків.

43, Should 11 prove mosesary to tenanais S/) the arratest

dengar thieh no osa antlespato at thia lina stors out of his constderablo

ek1ll as a writar and los pazalbility that this stlll edgirt bo used to

ATTACK KJBAI DS ODYUNE 111 DONE MAY, JATTAPS InUE lDO fOres aT tha satlosal

ISbATEtION ENTOMeNt propagands BRohIDes, uhlaa sa bat son faresater. He

bambadgs of our aparatione end personal las bean kept to a striasies. Benor

Cha dAnger of bla DiS EpBaKINg tIEh MARt LOTON OS eNDOtIVEDISS iBA Mo

bellora, not queat asd a probless unlot, thorza sa sist antlospato 1ta no

HEY HEAT ALASTHAL BEILLEMBI

ARO AIL COMERTIAL LOULd GETRO ChAT 8 EUSARA AGORE NDO 18

UnAbLO tO 19TT109 LUSANS OpATSELORAl roquIresenta tonld bot be tarta tin

Hoop. At Uho sana 1113, 1t kould ba presumptions to esspoot thet la e altantion

batta the agrat La bally bandled at art's longth sad under such diesdrestag

MaS De rEULATiy and, II sADOReaTy, speadily measured agalsor the agant'o

450

a general carast area for his, loviad the rogulittient that to prova to

untia ta on estattival] paratrato that target aros and oparata la pleca

Al lla brale aparational testo host ua bava nesolyad, in estent, la a anart

86. TRETO 18 ONIONADO 1N EDO TORRS Of "CARTINGOY" RUBAD DAR

ana iron S11 that ba la 8 sai abo lleas to oparevo, dot, produco. Tonto se

aloo evidenon that bo, 1lba say other tanas, conscionely maels approvel rad

poogalt100. of tle wark. Don purstion to be posed 183 MAn SUBNDOX at tAlI

JOB, OT 0212 16 BATE OS I SANtANDAr 1345, en ARAlIannE SON SA 1I MAleS l

an find satrasantion in produalag a tartatablo produst and find that approva

ad socoya1t10n wiles ha rayulres?... He asst ba nato spoofso with his the

AlIent for 37 in band at tha sortent no napollato tha extenalon of ble

contracto

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ОСТЕТ/КАРОЇ

On Ess

IDOTAtIOO SONABAT STAGS ATO tO MADE MITA LILANDATE ITOM LIEDS A INOS A FIVE

TEN SEaL. ALDI 61T2 And PARI 195A tONd tO EUppOrt the CeLInatO that B/s'o

¡Monda 1a the MIAlETTY OS InFOTHATION DAY DON DA BORS, MAILO ION A'S

ALgATION 15109Ã8 MAY SOCA DO 10 pOSIESONS OS pOLAX.

ba110 18 10 52122 t00

weat bo pictad tos operational leads and lITTE, KULES, and MiDLE

safariation, Is sould also bo unpad to volts out and adle a marbor ol

expanda on iral, deceptios, sod sinaral duublo-dealing 1a tha intronal

SUVOZULION DOVERNS ANS IN CAFTAIN OUNMINE CIrCLOR. He Mlgit ILna & JOb

M1Ch LUBY 8 uho say voll nood a ve erutch 18 S/l's reports of blo elodilentas

Int2u0p0s ato ro be gives arodense.

Is start, stopes onght to ba taber non

to dotima ts AltATAtIVes MaILIng SA do Of I sapterDer 1965.

Jarrey do PAlERIC?

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DISPAÏCH

CLASSIFCATION

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NO

SECRET/&

0ELA-43,458

INFO

Chief, RUDESK

Chior, LOPIPIT; Chior, WB; Chior, AP

HEADQUARTERS FILE MO

201-

FROM

SURECT

ObJor of Station, London, MY/

KUDESK STEBONY

O eTEPOSY-Peleted BATBE IteRá

ACTION REQUIRED

DATE

25 June 1965

RE: "43-5" - ICHECX "X ONE

MARKED FOR INDEXING

NO INDEUNG REQUIRED

IDEXING CAN BE JUDGE

Y QUALIFED HQ. DESK ONI

LEFERENCEIS

lo Attachod aro

selected ertraots fron BATRI repoIis.

BATRE

1o a very sensitivo SHOTH operation, and the 1tans ahould be treated

socordingly.

2. Kero SCHLBIFPER (alsapelled in BAIRH) 18 of interest. Pablo

1a Pablo PERFANDIZ, Cultural Attache at the Cuban Inbasay in London.

Other itens should be self-explanstory.

On page 3 of the attachnent,

"Intogration", where underlined, should read "segregation."

3.

As with these iteas, london will try to bring to lead-

quarters (and other addressees") attention SIRBONY-related iteng that

ve notice.

On the other hand, ye do not require to be info'ed on all.

aSTEBONY traffia in the future. He rould like to see copien

of all of

his intelligenos reporting, whother for passage to the shooritis or not.

on that toplo,

ve nould like to recommend that a liberal poliay be

followed in deternining that of his stulf to pass to liaison here.

will be glad to review his reporting for paasage, if there is doubt about

whother to pans it. He mould also like to see any natoriala relating to

his that may havea bearing on London Station operations, relating

prinolpally to the U.Ko, or relating to any of our liaison serrices here,

Of COUrBO.

George H. KANIZBIBACH

Attachments

Herewith

Distributions

X Chief, KUDESK w/att b/"

2-Chief, LPIPIT W/att 2w

3 Chief,

13 w/att b/v

2 6h101,

AP w/att b/v

622 1

EstatEd ten sizesti

bedrasticings

10.53 33

USE PREVIONS EDMON

REPLACES FORMS

51-23, 51-284

AND 51.29

WHiCH ARE DESOLETE

ES COPY

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31 :at 1955

TO:

Chie?, KUDESK

fief of Station, Lordos

Attachseat to 021-43,458

25 Jure 1965

17.10 hours: Lars SChiLIZEDA (or SuNDISSER ph) calla Piolo,

tolls his be arrired in Loitor tro hours ago.

(diote: ce

speais English rita a U.S.n. ascent, Pablo geyy no had ocea

teiing cout lurks last Saturday rita Riciari GIBSOi, rico Mari

sad tacught to be living in Sritzeriand. Pilo says picard

has lived in LO:DO" for a year. lars is son carried, his trife

end tao cialdren ara rita his.

Pao-o gays that Roberto Yepe

and tis nila Gaiina ara also in LO::DON at tice ambassy.

kar's

is in a hotel neer the ritish dusour, Mill cone to tce

Ezbassy at asce.

Perewells.

17.15 hours: Poberto Yepa cella Galina at done, tells ser

Kar' 1s in LONDO. Both overjoyed.

They arrage to seet.

Yepe does not now yet wat he is doing here or how log he

will be stajing.

18.30 bours: Presert: Pablo and laric Salia GER (preso)."

Voices very indistinct.

Pablo and b'ark appesr to be talking about mutuel

acquaintances, tino are mostly poets end auticorg.

Pablo goes

out.

Yope coses in end graats the visitor; he says that his

vife Galina would lie to see daris this evening.

Yepe emplains

about his trensfer from Glaszon to London; he then asios

IK

when he 1s going to Nigeria (?Algeria). Mer's appears tr ray

thet he will not be going until lebruary next jeer, afte

hes bees to the States; after that he mould lika to settio

doxa 1a AfriCa, 12 Zanzibar, Or 1J (lIanzenia) - ho does not

Jope sisis where he can find Dennis PHOBIAH: liezi says

toat he is in the Ienzanian High Cormission at 43 Hertiord St.

ana that jens can mention his dare.

Yepe goes out (pres. to

talapisano dennis) and does not rotura.

10.00 hours: ' Richard GISGi (ph, spezies Engäisa with U.S.i.

acceat) calls Pablo in sone excitezent to say that StriDIEDR

(ph) "is errivina today". Peolo says be airaady inous,

had

sees his jesterjay (see 31st loy above) and had given sis

Riccard's telephone ruber. Richard asis for lari's addrass.

Pablo checis nita Yese, no mas taken by deris Schierrea to

tie latter's hotel, but does not renesder the sane or address.

Richard rearis that he knows lark's plan. le is on his way

/to.

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15ª June, Cost.

to ¡êrica, is going to jIGIORS und mants to stey. Is going to

Tanzania if de can.

Fad plenned to leave ICiDO! today, but is

stajing over.

Peblo replies,

to see Richard and soneone else.

Pienard thing tris is Dernis FOGEl oh to vicos lark hea

written frou idi YOt Richard is ready to find accomodation

again to the Tunisien Ejassy.

isks Pablo to tell Lark that

ho (Riciara) is going to ilgeria, toat he rants to see liaris,

that there are possidly inings that they can do together, that

he or dark could take tre job offerad by Dennis (POBEY) in

DAR-DS-SALiE.

Pablo says lark is staying here to see Richard

end presusably Dennis, then going to PiiS for five days, then

on to ilgeria.

Rickerd says tark can call his at home detreen

12.30 and 13.30 hours or aîter 16.00 hours.

Richard gives Pablo greetings fros pariti (or BarITA,

pa) who says she is serding Richard end Pablo & ner nagazine

called "Street" to de scared. Sce is norking ior the "Student

Non-Violest Coordinating Cornittee", Sue TRaGaT's (pa) sroup,

•and has "eiven up her job at the dation".

Pablo will serd her

sose coliassration for tae sagezine. Farerells.

I june (contr

23-55 hours: Kar's SCIETITER (pa) calls Faolo (out).

Thes

asks for Yege.

Tells lene that they (ler. end serily) had

slept iste end are caeciina cut cî the hotel ron. Corfims

with Yepe that the latter's rife Gaiina is at bose.

IS EOIT-G

to telephone her. Yepe confiras Mark's having Galina's

nunber, then recarks that one of the tro people dars had

renteá to contact - GIaso' - nei ring the isassy.

Mark

resiras leve of treir havirg losed up togetter the telepcose

runders of tice lanzanien Fission. bar's has tro numbers, one

G20 sunber and one flus suzber (ote: the Fli sunder is

Fli 2327, hew nuber of Dennis FROBIni, idinistrative

Attache.

Kars had eertier said de had tro peogle in LuiDeN

to contact, Richard GIBSDi and Deanis.) Ee asis Yepe wiico

is the

office nuEber.

Yepe cracics then says it is GRO 8951.

Vari notes the lission's address.

Farenells.

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Ist Juno, Cont.

•17.10 hours: Ler SailorsTER calls froz tre @bassy to Yepe's

flat, spcass to repe's nice, Galina, says so, "'eria and the

childrer" mill spesd to sigat rita tse leges.

His nife and

children are at present in Padio's flat (rote: Both 11ats aro

in Paris iest).

17.30 hours: Karx SC.IO4s723 called et Zabassy by Bichard

GIBSON, Tino suszests thair scaring a flat in ilGizes.

3otia

need to brisa up their areach before "the others pour in" to

Ficiard" says

that intezration is suca worse dere than in the U.S.i.

Zaa June

11.00 hours:

Yepe calls the C.?.l.J., spears to telet roos,

as's ninether ticey can senà a teler to

Yeze's brotzer in

Pumania.

he explains tact his (lepe's) brother is Cubas

Anbassador to jasaria an is due to go to cuba sodey or

tosornon. He nants first to establisa retcer his broter is

still in seria.

If be is, Poserto ments the follozang

nessage passed: "I: Jou see Leo iNBayi in cuba, please pass

this nessage to min - 'Il jou cose to icidai, Dennis Peolsear

Is ensious tó see jon. (Signea, Roberto jege".

12.30 hours: Pablo calls Cuban Inbassy (bejieved PiZIS)

(Obtained by direct älling) Speaies to Esther, tae= esas

for Paco, nho senticas shat Guillerao des to satura to Guos,

bocause his daughter has a cerebral pastoriage. Pailo says

he and lauja are also "going to retura".

Paco asics "But

they haven't cailed jou?" Pablo replies "¡o". Gives so

further explanation, bus till mrite to Paco.

Mentiong tat

Kar's SCHraTitan is azing to PiPES and dill telepaase Paco.

Guállero, Paco rezaris, las already caugiat dis plane to

PRAGUE, Mirie= is sione. Guillero had been in toucà nith

FRAigI, and 201 Led agreed to his foing. Inis leaves the

Carmercial ittache.

signate

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SECRET -

=...

24 JUN 1965

TO:

Directos

Federal Burena of Investigastor

AtteRilon: tAs. s. J. Papich

Doputy Directory for Plaas

SUBJECT: Tolephone Conversation Malcolm X - Carlos Soote and

Sandy Bethune, (Also-Americas Ualty Groap in Parto)

1. Eastarded hereulia a8 Alsetmeas do a Xerox copy of a

phOtOsLEs of a traDacIll of a lelephone conversation belmeds Carlos

Mooro (and his frtand sandy Beihune) and lha late Malcoler X, vice

took place 8 or 9 Februasy ISiS, -UGAR ObliRed tals IrRAsErLOR

on 1 June frosa she oddior of the liest ladlas Gazetto, (inu) Marcharda,

SUGAR belleres tbal Manchanca got lhe phoroscar from the Guana Higù

Commission office in London. Me further balleves that the alto-

Americaa anity group in Parla (asOng vihom there la only one saember

with U.s. =181ze18h1p: the American Negro photographer, John Isylas)

probably dapplied sha transerips to lbe Ghana ollielala as a moans of

ballelag their credentials an a bona fide revolutionary osganisation.

parbapa one astitled lo roceive financial sapport.

2. SUGAR gave the curreal (JaDe 1965) acorens of Jamalcan/Caban

Casios Moore an: c/o Pedro Illipe, 168 Rue Gronelle, Paris te. Irasce.

SUDAR sald lhas Ellipe lo a Cubaa sational.

785 12

(801316 102638-63

Arcachment: i'"

4, 147=

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22 June 1965

SECRET

208-7591451

1 - CHIL

sir. @ l - Addres

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Le но.

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TOTAL COPIES

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1. REQUEST DIR RELAY BUEN SUBSTANCE REF C, ESPECIALLY DEADLINES

FOR DEPOSIIS IN SUISS ACCOUNT.

2. EUEN PLS ADVISE VHEN TRANSFERS EFFECTED.

3. NO INDEX

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agonies

talked to ay hoodrich this morning about SIBEONY..

_Be feels that he is on toe.

level with us, that he 1s legitimately disenchanted with the far left, tist he

sees hinselt as a loyal inerican, that YATZHIB: Of sas incorrect in sa;trg that

STEBCY would find it norally mpugnant to act as a political iftion agent but

would illingly serve as an FI collection asset (utich doesn't rake a whole lot

of sense.) StEscHy wes not in the least reluctant to take the luiti, passed

-1t- apparently clean. The cover 1s ad-ittedly a bit :71-sey, but is supplemented

by a. connection with-Tunisian L'iction for which he will do some layout iosk and...

ST

writink. Cy believes that he understands perhaps better than he did the need

for cover and attribution of income. Contract provides for $500 a month plus

$700 non-accountable ops expenses plus $10 a day while in Algiers, plus 520

a day while in travel status, I June through 31 August, renerable for i tro

year priod if rutually desirable and satisfactory, with 30 day termination

clause, He have told @Yes JAGUAP. of our recruitrent of STEttY = 6 does not

believe_that-they.are in direct taich iith him, but that they are in contact..

with friends of his, particularly one MiscHAN? or some such name.

I asked

Gy what STEBOllY had been asired to do for us in Algiers, and he replied " to work

hinself into a position of sce=ss - to get informtion on factions and all

developments in the conferences which have not been rublicized." I asked if ke

had been given any requirements which dealt with strictly Algerian matters and

he said No, that Rodigast had been told that we would send further requirenents

for the testing tentatively scheduled with STaBlY in home or Tangier around.

10 Jane.

I talked to Boo "sley, who wilt draw to a list of requirements to send FODIGAST

Cy Goodrich and I agreed that I mould open-ops-files on STEBCHY, even though

we have no project yet, and he will sive me the contents of his soit file to

inclade in it. Fe is also hiving the 202 file tidied up by RI and will have 1t

charged to AF/1

NP

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:

SECRET

ChloS as StAtIOs, PArIAMCPITIT

DETORLE/ODATARLORAL

JEBODY/CAPTEY/OFaTatIonal COnTaCT NICh IdOn A

assend 'ls the operational exploltation of tha pecullar talente and entser

of a Denly-scopelrad acoer. "TEROY/l (Iden E) STURMY/l taS hOd E F3419T

turoulent career as a laftlet tovolutionery astlavor and praparandlet over

Cha past sevaral Juara duriag under tina ho cana to kron (and be knoir bor)

A SUNDAY aS STETIIELCONE POTUONALIIOS In LLO PTO CALLeDO PRSELORS OR BOTOrAl

DUTODASA COCANIER PATTIED, ICORE UNSO pOrSOQRilEIES IS ICER A. 97/230V1

has boss denocod Mithla torRA sATA cIrcLos sa a tUil agent lOr 2000 ELo.

PhONEA 10111 JUANATY Of ChI:; JOAT TUNiX UNS ROt 1A DONtACE vitA bles

It

dO TOotEDLeD llesalS ls rovOlutionary cIsles as a prelude tO a loTi-

tora penetratios operation (at TUBAil's behest) terpered agains ise perolu

LORATY CAdIES of ALTIEA. RIlE aNd LATIN ANATION WhICH aTE anarENtly DalRE

ElVER InCreAsinEly diract sapporE by PekIng.

2.

ORA Of STABOY/l'S DELiA IIDES 11 TOVOlUTIONATY DISCIRA LO NIE

Ropeslatanos nith Iden A Mio Las Cold bis that, Dersonally, to docs sot

•Biate the doubra sardad about STEBAlY.1 kocausa, as Idon i perta lE.

E113HY/1'8 prisarY accuser not only charges to 1o a KUSiT agent but also

an idAD A AgENt, MhiCh IdeN A dI CONTIN IRON DOE tO DO INA CANA

ножетат.

ETINNY 15 REtually la tia proDRas al soaklag to Ingratlate Inools vita

Idea d and al miniss hia contiáenco to sual as estont liat icals personal

TelAtIONALI» ELITt DOTTA AS STEBOY/l'S CIANENIIRIS LOT JOLSA ELESS tO CONSE

Al present tha relationarip atons algas al bolog aft to e good start.

STESONYA VISITES IÑRE A 1A BIRTINIA OR Y MULA 15E5 MITH tDO LATONELON OS

BAtZLAS LUEBelS ACETodILed NS a COrNeSDandORE Ol Iden l's DeMataJar, Ides 6.

ICRO A COlA KIS PEAT, 1I FACT, IdeA i NES IOOdLIN IdEAS CO ALEIATE tO DONAS

Idos A than addod that IdAs D soUld sot 13

toURa NICh STUSONY/? 1I AlgIOTA (c/O Iden E) sO ELaT STEINTY/ Corle "LASTO

BASA blA ArONEd" SIEBOHY/l AGRAIDATA ENIA & SOTEALLOLS eSTELLATERCO In LINE

Attackenato:

BoOK 190

DistribartIon:

3 - 52ES. 2058 1/2860 4A

2 = Cot. Brussela natt i

2 - CHLOS, N5 0/R1z 1

0869-2541

SECAST

EAST!

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870757:35898

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DA CRA ORDIANA LUCA D DE a 'MaiXLAZ EredENELal" LA ALEIOSA a VElARA UNS l

Il aroule be soros a to

OURAT LERE. PURE EALO SITUALLOR ITOVIdES IDEN A A UnIqUe DRCOS al DosItor

ison l clalea that ser

D0411A8 TUA LLA 1I OTEE 8ÍI FOALCA :T:JONY/l BIEa COld IdeA l traY in MERaiS

could do ta trAMBLardOs JOb NILA tiA all eS SELEAiS DuT LIAR 1A vONiS reTA

TO ZOROS SEDA ELDA MILI. INEN I LO LOTH OVES IIRA DOLHIS NEd LO NTILA LADENAT

!!!

4. Toere an abulousiy astrallonal and itallon palley pusslions trat

BE DEt UP A 100E1AETE1 ORTALIORRI BOOLIE tO DO RADIOILOS LY EUBATT, OT 15 ENO

OBOTIRE LO TAGALA ALRIUS RENTAS NA (ONTI9S TOOTS NO REDE tO LAiLOTO tiA POTENT

CA RUO DONIO OL UNA TOMALLO ON ITBONY/L'A ¿CELATTER EIPELASTLOR DOAS ILS LORE

217 |9?911T. RIELONAL LALOTERS LADATEDE IN CUA DUDLICALION Of INCA i's basE lA

"ISSONS ANJORS EAT. EN RUe CONtrATI. USO DUDLIEREIOS el

STEROST/L CLAIMA LIA DOOK LO A ILTABONO DOLDELO ABALAEY ONE NAALl COSAIZALOS

198 That TISHhE NELD GEt ENO DOOR IN ATIat LA enT 2209 fOr lial Mould ba

FORCOVET, Il ITFITTY/l did nor Majorteda too transis

S. No ara Mura tie eNtitatoes con see 11 the elLuation ton seeda of

a usatal apprarional contare alti, idea A uho, accordisg in rattons tosorte

asperaserson

§ IN CAY ANENT, MOLASE ANTIONS tO t'E COATTATT, No LATERA tO PSCOUTAGE

SB0NT1 CO COOLIENA NAMOLOSIDE WLA FALEELORBOIS NICh IDEN A. ESPREINILY "

so sTa foratadas lo readquarters (use

is coald tbas resort

BUTTONSA ITEA & COLLICAL DONSE Of VION LA LASt LEASALALLORA d JunZe.

EDS fTOO DAD-S TERCORINNA SOLTICO (MATI ANS iRONS fOr excepio) rissaid I

ofT1E1A1' 9231184-10964980 terales of iss porarder

TOR PISS CLARASS iNVOIVES LE VALS: XUNULA SATARY iRORS PATUS Y

ARCIRASS NIiI. DE MONTIRE I TEJAY/1 LA BORO EA DE RDORIL 1S JUjJ. 18 ELaT

1a8100 eSTUrE.

BORLA DATO lO LATO LA IRZB'ALES SOFLASCOLY IN PENA SiA TITTE DREA Of

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AAStITY I - BREDATAI. BADENA, SOTENTLY Of PALT PLAT SON Duba Colzeltta

XA2181T7 D ~ ASSOLA ЙАСРАВТЕ

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DISPATCH

QLASSAFICATION

SECRET

pon

LOSED

то

PROCESSING

ACTION

MARNED FIR INDEXINE

NO 1NCE7-86 REQUIRED

DALT QUALIFIED

KENiOLATTERS DESK

CAN NICE INSOL

ABSTRICT

МіСКАНИ

Chief, LCPIPIT, Chlor, KUHOLE, Chior, WE; Chief

FROM

el station, Aledera

Chief et Statione kenden

SUBECT

STUBONY

JAOTAR Report on STEBONY/1

ACTION REQUIRED. REFERENCES

Ref& LOND 8101

Pollowing is the full tort of the JAGUAR lotter, a part of

which was trangnitted under rafs

"He have received the following tro 1tema of Intolligence

about s/18

Some time in lay this year, s/l said that he rould

Do going to Tunisia on 15th June to rork on the stall of the

paper "y'lotion."

Alter ble quarrel with Jacques VaRGaS in 1964, S/1

re?eired 1200 as

"personal finanoial assistance" fron Jacques

RIPPA, the leader of the pro-Chinese Consunist faotion 1

sIgun. FilS ANDERSSON alsO gave him financial heli

Our sources vere not able to say when the finanoial assistanoe

Mas given to s/1 but presunably that ITOn GRIPPA was sade

available some time betreon July and Hovenber last yoar. "

2. S/1 reported to Station in lay that he had had an offer of

a Job on L'lotion, but there vas no intention of his socepting it.:

London has some doubts about whether S/l in faot rocoived this

much noney from RIPPA. He suspect that he has told people this to enbasco

his staturo as a "Chinose agent"; we still wonder, though, what funds he

may have been covering this may, sinoo re had not contaoted him as of the

tino in question.

Perhaps, as a result of rel, ICPIPIT may shed sone

light on this point.

Distributions

alchief, ruDasK

2-Chief,

LCPIPIT

2 chief,

KUVOLP

3 chief,

18

chief,

2-00s,

11g10ra- fut Crush

to a pat

CROSS REFERENCE TO

let worked leine Late

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GLASSIFICATION

SECRET

sartasshicaties

201-306052

DATE TYPED

DATE DISPATCHED

17 June 1965

12: MUN 1965

DISPATCH SYMBOL ATO MELIABER

0ELA-43,383

HEADQUARTERS FRE NUMBER

201-

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085888

Cates of Stallon, ParteRSPIYIT

EA:ABY/STSONY/ i Contess la poca.

PRIORITY

BUTTONS LASA Ol OPETARLONS (AIGIOTS) NO ENAL VLIA MILLAIT dO RONO pOT

•IANS S'A BATERANE NAY DO USES NS O MAGLIDE SITO SO% HODIDASE 501

хв пахвоатета стака (нИ" аз! опінух отіу) ва зага в.

ERILO LA BOSS ECTIDALI MLLI SOTO ChOS LIXOLY rAgUETO EtArLOs

CARS ETAVAL ENTRACAR SOS STENGTI/1 (NASCH aTO tO be ?/A'd to leElquarters.

OLESTA In LUE ILARION. INCIDASI LO ALSO MOM LO ANd DARES UNO NISELAS

BEEN

4, NO MONIA S02TOE1ATA HARTERS fION LONA SPARION al JoUr eAT!leAs

CORTANIBOSE CONCATALDG YOUr CREASILIYY tO ruder the UDO OS DAZDATE

DOTEd ALOTO. FODIONET VORiA DLES TO LATO CONISEd ulli lie statIon

КРОТУВ ¡ЗАТАЛІ URLOSS ПО ІТАТІО ВОЛІЯ СОЛІТА «З МІЧТВОА СОР

8 @ Chre. 18

0521-3330

SEE RE

JUN 17 1965

201-36605

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17 does 1763

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ACTIOM

ACCOM

BISHED

MADILO FOR INDEXiNES

Chief, KUDESK

NO INDELINE REQUIRED

DIFQ

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CADQUARTERS DES

Chior, LOPIPIT: Chios, WS Chief, KUROL.

CAN NOGE DUELINS

FROM

Cases of Station, London RIE

ABSTRACT

SUBJECT

KUDESK STABONY SKOTH

BAIRE RODOrE

ACTION REQUIRED - REFERENCES

Attaohed 18 a copy of an iten oullod fron a report of BAIRE (a

sonnitive SYOTEop) reflooting contaot. botreen HIs. Sarah GIBSON and

Pablo FERRASDEZ, the Dultural Officar at the Cuban Eabaasy. There 1a

nothing partloularly nor or atartling bore, and it is forterdad 1o5

Inolusion in the recordo.

2. Haruja 1s Pablo's Milos Sarah 18, Of CoUrso, the vile of Blohard

GIBSON.

Coorgo Ho

XкA7Z38BACE

Attachaents

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congrating tas

Mstributions

XCh101, RUDESK M/att b/u

2-ChioI, LOPIPIT M/att b/r

3-Chiof,

WE s/att k/r

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ES COPY

LOSS REFERENCE TO

CLASSHFICATION

SECRET/KAPOR

201-306052

DATE TYPED

DATE DISPATOHED

17 JUN 1965

16 Juno 1965

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND MUMBER

0514-43, 353

HEADONARTERS FRE NUMBER

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Chief, KUDESK

PROls Caie? 0l Station, London

Attachiort to 0544-43,353

16 June 1965

Zota 3837, Cart.

16.40 hours:

sco rants Paslo to saad, as previously discussed, sose cupées

or "Revolucioz Pueblo y Cultural and "Iunes de Zevalusios",

either just on desporary loss, or ia sose copies can de sparaa,

for retention bi ¿re tunisia.

lice Press Seerstary in

the tunisia a-bassy is on ine coint os leavry to g0 caci t0

JuIS (goino o= 2ia lay) and bedora doing so, do vesty =ci

Taats to date a look at triose gapers.

42550 2r0=ises 10

esparge this natter tita Paulo, dur delivery oà copies =o ice

Press departest, Junisiaz Icassy, 2) Prisce's Gate.

Sara

GIES asis sor calivary today i possible, in sot, sha

Lolloráng soming.

16,50 basrs: Pablo calis is GIPSCi it II 4133 on Caristian.

raze teras,

asks for ser husband, Bies, and see coilaran are,

confires tast de vill lei her have sose copies on "quega" (pa)

iver to his dy a Cubas in IGnor, also Tudio y Cultura",

but has so copies on "Revolloio=".

Contras se mili cose to

Saras's house on Saturday siterzosa (29ta lay) tits jaruja und

tie claran in lt is aime, sur de mill cose sayion, as se

ments to jave a tali rita serai..

zinger is

•PRI 8770.

Sarah senatos that doe tunisiar. Pauss Secretary Is

being seat baci to funisia to taxe changa sà a senspages,

he has boes sost ingrassed by sue duban lajoue in scedo guara-

cations.

•e needs toa copies to gira dia ¿ieas sor cs

toris, and Sarah tarts tse isalüezca to be dubai.

at: +1 40 629-43353

164.7

3401-12482 23

CS COPY

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КАЗУСАТІКМ

S3GBET

PROCESSINS

Iva

Catal, Shes

Oadel, iPTeIs, Briel, iz; Calo: oe Station,

Git 6k19.80

FSCAR

Ciser of Statione hordon

LUDESE SAECETY

ACTION REDURED- REFERENCES

10

of the processad sateria!

resultinz iron the initial surios of debsie?ings

hor sugerb work in areparing this arcallent study.

2a He Lave nada zost ol this zaterial irailablo to jaGua?. tra

•sactions

headed "Interost o? Foreign loztunist and ielziot Coups in tea

basican degro Ecoales,

" "Sco. Bobast filliens Saso, " "Blaci fationaliss,"

and "Too lEerican jeSTO" taso tot paszad to Jaulla.

3. Ho ara rotaining coo copy o: the entira study, mich no are

racing available for ravion by OaTY/lordon, too tavu arpressad intarast

in this satoria..

He trust that OLaTT! leadquarters sill to appropriataly

advised of the contents o! tiese japars.

4o No sBe nO Jason foI lordon Station to rotain tais copy in she

filos, and propose to destroy it unless leadquartora asta ua to serd it on to

sosa other ad1ios3a0. Sisilariy, se plan to dastroy our copy of the rougà

transcripì or tee debriorin (previonaly teriardod under OJus 42,70ó, 9 larca

1965) mless Zuzâquartess sould like us to send it on.

In aither caso, let us

Exo% de your riases regarding trase itars by, say, 15 Julj. In the absarca

or any instructions of tasi tizo, ne

vili destroy then.

GOOSGO I. KAEZONBACI

Ettachment:

Ferarith

Distributions

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3 Plies,

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KUDESK STEBONY ERPREY

15 Jun 65 # 90665

REF A. LOND 7991

B. LOND 795'5

(N81357)

QNBI479)

C. DIP. 15660

ABSTRACT

D: FRAN 5887

(482159)1

10.. STEBONY/I (S) LET RODISAST (R) 12 JUNE PARI AS PLANNED

AliC PROCEEDED SAFENOUSE WHERE & DEBRIEFEDS AND TAUGHT HIM

512 SYSTEM 54.

2. IN 13 JUNE LCFLUTTERS ANSWERED NEGATIVE TO FOLLOWING

KEY QUESTICHS WITH NO INDICATION DECEPTION:

2-ÃO.. HES ANYONE EVER APPROACHED YOU TO SERVE NON-PEPRIME 15?

B• HAVE YOU EVER SERVED ANY NON-PPRIVE IS IN ANY CAPACITY?

C.

ARE YOU NOW A PAID AGENT OF ANY FOREIGN GOVERNMENT?

D.

DOES YOUR WIFE KHOW YOU HAVE A CONNECTION WITH AN ODYOKE

SERVICE?

E. - HAVE YOU TOLD ANYONE ABOUT YOUR CONTACTS OR YOUR AGREEMENT

1O COOPERATE WITH AN GOYORE ORGANIZATION?

F• ARE YOU UNDER OBLIGATION TO ANYONE TO REPAY ANY DEBTS

R'ort

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OR FAVORS? (PER LOND 8131)2W87361)

RID/MIS

G.. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE YOU A TARGET FOL 11 PH '55

BLACKMAIL? (PROBE TO SEE IF REVOLUTION ASSOCIATES HAVE ANY HANDLE>

H. HAS "ANYONE EVER ATTEMPTED TO BLACKMAIL YOU?

I HAVE YOU EVER ATTEMPTED TO BLACKMAIL ANYONE?

J. HAVE YOU DELIBERATELY GIVEN US ANY FALSE OR FABPICATED

INFO IN TALKS WE HAVE HAD WITH YOU?

30. 14 JUNE R BRIEFEDS RE BANDUNG II NUMINCE AAJA, ETC,

PASSED S ONE S/W SYSTEM 64 CARBON, ADVANCED 733 DOLLARS CASH

TOWARD TRAVEL AND PER DIEM.

4. S ETA ALGI O/A 28 JUNE VIA SURFACE TRANSPORT FROM MOROCCO..

S FUTURE CONTACIS WITH R SCHEDULED QUISIDE ALGERIA. NO RPT NO

SIA CONTACT REQUESTED BUT WOULD APPRECIATE INFO HIS ALGI

ACTIVITIES AS MAY BE ACQUIRED PASSIVELY BY STA STAFF PERSONNEL.

5. POUCHING COMPREMENSIVE WRAP-UP.

F.. INDEX 281-336352.

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DISPATCH

CLASSINICADON

SBORBT

TO Chias, KUDESK

ChoI, WB, Chios, AP, Chief, KUECLY, Chief, LCPTPIT$

Chief of Station, digiora

FROM •

chief of station, London

SUSSECT

STEBONY

JAGUAR Report on SIEBOHY/ 1

ACTION EDURED

REFERENCHS

*SPAICH STASOL AND NO

0B4A-43, 311

HEADOLLWITERS FUE NO

2010

DATE

11 June 1965

RE: "135 - 10H801 X ONE

MATTED FOR NDEXING

NO ELDECEG REQUIRED

NDOING CAN BE NUDGEI

IY QUALPED HQ. DESK ONLY

Following in the tort of a JAMAR lotter, datod 2 Junas

that he is working for the Beltan novspaper

Ho will be loaving London shortly for the Continent and vill later

Do going to Miglars.

ratartation'.

000Ig0 E.

CATZEIBACH

Distribations

3- Chios,

HB

2-chios, AF

20h101,

KOHOL?

200S, Aiglora- out Pondi

8 ChloR, ICPIPIT

338 -

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100

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ansencaron

SBGBBY

DISPATC STABOL ANO NO

054A-43, 308

TO

Chios, XUDESE

HEADQUANTES FUE NO.

INFO

Chier, HB, Chief, ICPIPIT, (Atta8 RODIOAST); Chio?,

Air Chiel of Station, Aladera

Chios of 5t8t109, Loados, i.

DATE

SURECT

KULESE STEBONY JAGUAR

O JAGUAN UITIOUS O CONZODE OS ESSES/1 and 1220

ACTION HOURED

10 June 1965

RE "95 - ICHECK "X ONE

MENAKED FOR INDEXING

NO NUDEING REQUIRED

HODUNG CAN BE NUDGED

BY QUALIFIED HQ. DESK ONLY

l. In tha coures of an infarel disounsion on 8 June vita the JACUAR

officer post lantlier uith the history of STRBONY/1 (end OUT TOlatiOnablD

w1th bin), the JIOVAR offices consented that he man frankly surprised at

tha valuso of saruel notivity of the Africen coummiato and far-loftiata.

¡a firat TOPeronos ves to typos such as Joanna PrIOR, but he broadened

tha comment to inaludo Roselynde AIiSLIS and others, and of courso there

vero the raolpients of there firla' allections as vell - doricans (usually

black) suah a lenpatta and Babu.

2.

The JAGUAR offloes then added that 3/1's vile vas also know to

1auo shared her favors vith other bleak son then s/l - to mah an arton!.

at any sate, that hor proniaculty had done to jacual'a notico.

(I mentionad

that thin must be sono now news, sinos ve had not heard of it befora, bat

he indloated that this ran old seus, and apparently not of the typo

to De

considerad "derogatary.") the JAMAR offioer veRt on to say tbat S/1 his.

BAll has put in s certain anount of time in the bode of othor tito 81r1a,

and parhapa this is bor he knora of the prosieouous propensltios of sono

of than.

3a Na1lo S/1 has not partioularly alfeoted prudery in our talke, neither

has he profassod binnell to bo a groat and universal lovar.

RANZENRACE

Distributions

3-oh1os, 18

2-C05, 1810ro-Eut Pouch

2 Chief, AP

63031

Bootster T03 i'

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FORM

1957

53.

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CLASSIFY TO FILE NO.

CLASSIFIED MESSAGE

3

SECRET

PERSON UNIT MOTIFILO

TOTAL COPIES

30

REPRODUCTION PROHIBITED

DESTROY O sIG.

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BRID COPY

DOVANCE COPY

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95091697577°

10865 M87361

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PALP INFO DIR ALGI CITE LOND 8101

STEBONY KUDESK KUVOLE JAGUAR

1. JAGUAR REPORT STATES AFTER HIS QUARREL WITH VERGES IN 1964,

STEBONY/1 RECEIVED 200 POUNDS AS 'PERSONAL FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE'

FROM JACQUES GRIPPA. NILS ANDERSSON ALSO GAVE HIM FINANCIAL HELP".

2. JAGUAR DO NOT KNOW WHEN GRIPPA FUNDS GIVEN TO S/!, BUT ASSUME

BETWEEN JULY AND NOVEMBER 1964.

3. IT POSSIBLE, OF COURSE, ULTIMAIS SOURCE JAGUAR INFO IS

S/1O MIGHT BE USEFUL, NONTHELESS, GET S/I COMMENTS.

SECRET

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TROCESSUNG ACTION

MANTED FOR BIDDIES

TO

ohios of station, Parla (Attentions COVinDALs)

INFO

Chlot, WiS Chlal,

SPIFIT, ChIoS, AUDiSkI

NO DIDETES LEGUREI

CRET BEAUTED DESE

CAN NOG UNCDUM

Chlos or statiade dartia

TROM

Throt of Stations Landon

ACROFES

SUNG 2T BONT/Oporational

'Des ta 01s Antonlo LOp2 campillo

ACTION RIQUIRED - REJERENCES

HOSE OFPA 79622, 19 HAY 1965 (1o1 sont all addressass)

. On 4 JUnA STEBONY/l provIdod tha fallovinE IAPOseation on tha personal-

185 and 11V1N8 pattern of Jubjeat ubich me hope will be helpral to cOtERdus

in sounting an eventuel roorultrant apprasab.

Subjoot 1s anartinE With desira for revengo agalret those tha bavo

out bis off fron all soaningial politioal sotivity and probably

STOR a DOUTCO Of InOOJO as well. (SOFi% SubJOOt told 3/1 4hs8

Jutransa, crITra do ponendino big Pi'll uith tha aguivalent of

81,000 per northa fo 18 partloularly angry us da pitivro, mo ones

bin sone soney.

Do An Intallootual, subjeat has nomos boon partioularly attootivo in

the aire of pizatioal organisational polition.

He is rathor voak

In the senso that in a confliot altuation ha tando to pull badi.

In Other vOrdE ho 13 not sEgressive by naturo. At tha sans timo,

3/15018 cortala that subjeod' o indignation and destro fos revengo

more dooply sostod 1n his enotions and lo toula not be ablo to

ta8100a1150 avay theso tealings.

subjoat 10 baBloally a friondly and constoONs parBoT..

do

His wise,

autastic

darnstadiaz and

ceclassitication

CROSS REFERENCE TO

papilabo she roaches sohoal.

Jubjeot has atrod feelings towards OrIPPA, but upperzont 18 blo

desiro to robabilitato hinsell with the Jolelen "gauloster." It

18 820ugat that 11 somsone telophoned Subjoat und sado reforando te

"JROgus" OT "a sORERgo Iron & frlead in solgiun" subjoot rould:

Dont. Ilkely oone out for a sooting.

subjoot has irrogular rorking hours at the SHRS and 18 would be easy

fOr DIa tO LEATA thA jOb lOT an hOU OI. tO MithOUt aNYOne beOOKÍDE

Ho works on ruBBarah projoots and sara or loss sols

b1o ona bours.

liked 18 ha thought subjoot rould ba in a ponition to provido sol

1starRa8101 on the PCS Pro-chiion dissident groups, 3/1. sald shal

ho thought Subjoat was roll-inforned and, 11 Milliags nould be

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

OElA-83, 294

COPY

DATE SEE REMAT

9 J0n0 1965 721-306050

HOS FLE MUNRES

SUCRETAR

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CONTINUATION OF

• DISPATCH

LAOEITICATION

SACHINE

DISPATEN SYMBOL AND MUMBLA

0574-43,294

ablo to provido a great deal of Inforantion donpito lle having

Does juahod saião fros native and diraot partialpation 1a rodeat

2o

Basad on tha forogoings tha bast play 105 80181a8 s8 Subjeot sigat

Do a salaphana call to bla placo of vort Mila ho acidor dolE a o0ros

prataxt for nasting sin slone and dafarting all datallad quastione to soob

& BOOtLAg as the ETOUndO ol nOt vAnting tO disoUEs thase over the talophone.

If this gote subjoor out, then COVARDALE Oould ajolagiso los the sinos

dosoption unile explairlas that 1t us required by soason of bla not ventias

to abusa subjoal anbaradasons or InJury la tha couras of contzating alu.

Good beRting.

J: It MAY DO pORRIDO fOI STEBCAY/1 tO Oonta08 SUbJeOt dario& DIa TI818

tO PATIS 18 - 17 JuDo.

IS COVENDALE MOULA LIKO tO gOT a MOJO OUTSORI

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casting 5/1 07 12 J048.

Joseph de TIFYAYY

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Chiof, HEs

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Fog Chief, Afg Chief, KUHOLEy Chiof,

KURIOT: Chief, LOPIPIT

PROCESSING

ACTION

MARIES F'S IN0EX1M5

HO INDEXING MAIRED

ONLY TUALIFIED

CAN JUDGE TIDERILi

ABSTRACT

MICHOFEI

Chief of Station, London

SUBECSTEGONY KUNISK ORPREY

IBian APsiCAn Journalists' Assoolation Correspondenoo

ACTION REQUIRED, REFERENCES

transnitted as separato dover attachaent aro copios of correspondence

ITOR tO AJA to STEBONY/1, Anong these nateriale is an original oopy of one

lottos, mbioh 18 formaIded fOr KURIOT's exemplas stocipilo.

2. These natorials vero passed to TIFPANY by s/1.

30

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antlolpato passing any of it to JaGuAr.

CCO

LISHE

Kal

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Achior,

KUDESK w/att (USe)

3-Chief,

WE w/o

att

2Chier, FB v/o att

A Chief, AT w/o att

2-chiof, KUMOLF v/o att

2-chief, KURIOT w/att (uSc)

2-Chior,

ICPIPIT W/o att

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CS COPY

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CROSS REFERINCE TO

201 - 306052

DATE TYPED

DATE DESPATCHED

8 June 1965

DISPATCH STMBOL AND MUMBER

081A-43,2713

HEADQUAATERS FILE NUMBER

201-306052

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Asian-Africza Jozralists' Association

(Persaiuan Wartawan Asia - Afrika)

Sakrerarize: Press Housa - Djaicarra

Tela, =1878

No.:.

Dess Collesgue,

Djakario,

- 19 65

"annest greetinis!

dociled, 15'0r-ali.,

are suare the deccattrict et its Second vectin= beld

tie o chise day où ila first i81m2-

1a1ar-diricn, dirica, Joutalists! Duj is of incase Is:0stares 1353 afra-ision

journalists.

The Secretarist call on al: its seabor 0rca7isatiaas and

zebose tu ocserra tila Duj by calabrition dud costirao, doces stateseats;

articles mi mitcruys cie. in the diriom blas-itic =aaspc.crs and 535

sodia pere-ally.

This dug mill also ark dia fira: antiversary di our

•saccision in to aroncstly coll da you, doir acuares ard collectress to

sark this day as a listoricil cront in: tha 115e =5 =11 aIro-laia joural-

1sts particularij, and she alro-isica peoples goresaiiyo

We hure that jou tire bi not sscoirid sogies ci lie fist

19:u0 of "the irre-ision donauliot".

I won hate tuto Picise cratzet us

and re sill cladly jet jou hora sona (atate dar ano).

Ic further call on jou to continue sordin; us articico cr.

the gress-as well as on ten strumule either lor indezerience, en ¿ca the

defence co jous inispeadence in jour countsy-for publicatios in "the dro-

Asias Joursilists".

Fe look forvard to recciviro material, reseagers esc. fron

F-t.

to infoss all cir canber colles-es ei your setivities

could gru trite se

if I send us clipines st jour cosirities on "the

isian-"frican J.umilists" taj".

he look formard to bearing fron gos subs in tish joù, in

-the Bandung spisit, all ascecos and the furtbor solidarity of our

Yours satorally!

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(Persarian Wartawas Asia - Afriza)

Scareiarias: Preis House - Dizicares

Teiz "6!93?

62109 ext 777

18.-

No.:

Djakero, Haroh- 31st

-19640-

Statement on Cambodia

In respons: to en uracht appeal by the canbodian

curalists, to joumalists

taroughout the world, tee

¡tA calls on all its sambers to voice support zor Cambolia's

policy of peace and neutrally and to ¿cnounca tza u.s.

Inperiülists,

Thailand and South Vienn, for their angression

unge ali our benuers to join their voices in dezunding

that the U.s.

toverruant ard

all its allies agree readily to the

proposal pade by the Cambodion Houd 0o2 State,

Prince lioradon

Sinenous for guaranuccing the reutrality and

territorial integrity

of the Kaner people

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Asian-African Journalists' Association

(Persarzan Wastawan Asia - Airika)

vrecarias: Press House - Dishares

Telp, 61749

'=s

LeGistared.

No.: 2=0/K1./00/4/2.

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"Evolution",

40 cur

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Dear Colisinie,

Think you sier to zuck ior rauddressing the lettirs

Grud to dis in nasdors. to are eagent!

Waiting Ion gone 22c.223e

fros dia.

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trir.s.t01 on used it sw you bore in Indonesia.

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reguincly iron ane bro-mericuno progressive presison.

tine

saan suggestions ial idens. Lat us know, as ne carently

¡oci the meal to niten and stronation unity,

with our Al-JinC-

le huve aisantcher so corses or

Gao second iotdo of tio lit to you.

He re just turing some naterial trned and would lct

hers soon is tist ire done.

ie would like you to assist

ine cin airply the rticles) in monulurising the convening i

tho rest gadur Contonence rends o2 Mfro-isim states). Farious

Dorces t? alread?

Torkins against sich i conference and we hive

to foreclull: Duo zormoi the suithility ate of s sacond sur-

dant forderince.

Eive you any surgestions ete.?

nur Donut: Secretim-jenerl Joesori To ittonied the

Sixth session

s the tiro-isinn Solidirity Council secting in

unfortun toly he uns relived sane:tore cise nil coud not

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and colleague Forges and

discuss varisa: comran arableas.

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Asiar-African Journalists' Asscciation

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Tels, 61719

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No.:

Djokaris, Ma Is?

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Piciara Gosas,

saitor-in-chie:,

Paris.

Dest Colleague,

ile bave received the various copies of FevorasIon, which ve

heartily thar you for.

Your letter ves ver encouragira, ard ve lave roted the cortertz.

he shere your ideals

End ErE

toroughly conrinced that our struggle

agarst tre forces of reaction ill still furtzer aûvance, and

triunpi.

we wil sear in zinc your request for articles eic., arc wall

no 21l In oun nicorts to helo.

peroncarc: plays an important nart ir. our revolutionery

striple against inperialisa and coionialisa in ail ius tors ana

or we are idely districusing it in tico-

nesca, and bore to do the same in South Zesthsia as veil. I: addition,

because of the lorest, excharge bragle::

nares of other intezested persus butside i tonesia to g

rather FIVE TOU

send sample copies.

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and wherever sossicle

in south

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resdy soon.

se vili dispatca 50 copies of "the igro-isiar jouralist! to

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Iê you would lixe nore pleage do not resitate to contact us.

Can you aleo sera us some zore french copies of RavoutrIc,

1f rossible, as well as some posters.

"Dear Collearue, our strugale is gairing monentin and the

Icrces of reaction marifested in colonialisa and imperialis in

a11 its soms and marifestations are on the retreat. Dus very close

co-oreration vill further belp in destroving colorialise and in-

perialisa, whieh is tie curse oz all miana.

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Asian-African Journalists' Association

(Persariza W'azawaa Asia - Aírika)

Telp, 61799

Nº.:

Djokarro,

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He look lorera to bearing, Iron you again.

Greetings and

varest tigres to jour Director Coumde Ferges and ail the other

revolutionaries who are moriar, togatter mitr you.

Fraterally yours

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4 June 1955

1. Cover Situation. S/1 was not successful in lining up any

cover arrangement in the U.S. Around 28 May he received word

Irom Now York of a flat turn-down on his offer to serve as

plans to attend 2nd Bandung hImself.

was able to line up the following sponsors (though none

in a position to pay much for his serrices they collectively

provide him with sufficient reason for being in Algiers;

will let on that his travel costs were advanced him by his

wealthy brother-in-law):

West Indian Gazette, described in earlier corres-

pondence, will provide S/I

with a letter of accreditation.

Institute of Race Relations.

This politically

neutral,

Sheilla Paterson is a good friend of s/1.

him to do a paper back book for the Institute on Africa.

donstitutes a highly respectable piece of cover.

though they could pay liitle for this effort it

During the last two months,

S/1 has explained his income

to his wide as coming iron advances,

expense soney and articles

for Encounter.

bot arounter 5 to cultura pleasedom and Last 511 has

at least satisfied her curiosity.

To explain Katzenbach's

telephone calls to his home (K. identified ninself to S/l's

wife sout ag"Mr. Wilson") S/l had to improvise a purely

notional arialiation with an American feature story syndica-

tion serrice, called "Metropolitan Features".

This will help

explain some of his inone to his wife, but will not be used

with others.

The above skeletal dover will hosefully be reinforced in

for his many contacts there.

His visits to Grippa and Andersson

on his way to Algiers will also help to fill out his ostensible

sources of income, though s/t has agreed not to overplay this

angle.

In other words, he will not pretend that these two have

given

him any funds, but if others want to nake the assumption,

so much the better.

3.

On 1 and 2 June, Tiffany expounded at some length on the

Importance of S/l trying to get an Opposition (Soviet, Cuban,

Igerian or ChiCon) sponsor for any further cover

such as

he researching of a book or establishment of an Áfro-Asiar

neus service for U.S. leftist periodicals and/or individuals.

While we could easily set him up in this enterprise, we t not

netst to for the simple reason that this would at best only

provide hin with a superficial sort of access.

What we want

him to strive for 1s Opposttion sponsorship that will lead hin

Into ons of the nerve centers of the national liberation

sovement in alpierg or diakarta.

(S/1 ruled out Cairo on the

grounds that his wife is jewish) S/l accepted this reasonini

and agreed to go for a position that bolds out the prospect of

long-range penetration

in depth.

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la Turnover to Rodigast, Aitor gotting S/118 unhesitating agreement

to an ICFLUITOR exanination and his simpature on a Secrecy Agreement

on 2 Juno, TIffany introduced him to Podigast, undor the allas

"Pawl weller" on the norning of 3 June. It was explained that Rodigast

volid serve as S/l point of contact in the future. S/l and Rodigast

Hit 1t alf woll fran the outset, the laiter's laouledge of Paris and

Tanglers-based Averican beatniks and other Intollectuals serving biz

has ja 1d

woll in the rapport-building process. Rodigast fiabobo on fir

scosthe arrangesents for Paris and has discussed arrangements for

neeting S/l at least twice during the sunner outside hlgiers. Final

agreesent on a nid July nesting will be sade in Paris to conforn to a portal

pattera by s/1 and

anax arzangerents which S/1 succeeds in developing in Lausanne and

Paris. In tia process of discussing ca munications Rodigast is also

imparting instruction in goed security practices on the part of S/z.

Rodigast will instruct s/l in the use of Sil in Paris. Hopefully,

Rodigast will be able to spend a day of two with S/1 in Paris, even

though we vant S/1 to gei to Alglers as soon as possible.

5o Financial Arrangements. After discussing all possible alternatives,

"It was decided that the nost secure arrangenent kould be to give S/1

da advance of the equivalent of $200 for his-travel Londor-Brussels-

Izusanne- Paris and per dies and jis an advance of the equivalent of

$600 for his JaDe BalaTy plus non-accountable expenses. These advarces

were sade and signed for on 3 Juno. One status important reason for

the large cash advance was the fact that S/l teenarently was completely

broke, and he had to pake sone funds availab la to his wife to seet

expenses and pay alf a 65 pound Sterling debt to his brother-in-laits befare

leaving on his trip. (5/1 will explain the funds as the last of the

advances and payments for articles by Ercounter and other publications.)

"For essentially the same reason (poverty) we agreed to make S/l's July

and August salary payments in advance (to be paid into his Swiss bank

account on the first of each nonth), le recognise that this procedure 18

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somerhat irregular, but ve wont ahead with it principally on the grounds

that this was necessary to head off the security and morale problens

posed by an irate wife.

6. In the course of bls Indtlal talk with S/), Rodigast pursued the

matter of the allegations rade at various tines in the past to the

effect that S/i1s or vas à "CIA agent"" or "FBI agent, S/a explained

-the oituation as follows:

8. S/2 was a schoolnato of Willian Garder Saith, and

_with Snith's encouragement came to Paris and worked with Snith on.

the English desk of Agence France Presee. S/h took over the left bank

apartment of Ollie Harrington, Aperican Negro cartoonist, and CPUSA

nember. SI had a falling-out with Harrington over the apartnent (rent),

•and in that he describes as a notent of weakness he sought revenge

by forging a lotter with Harrington's signature which indicated support

• for the FIN (Algeriah nationalists); at that tire the french were

extrezely sensitire to the subject, of course, and S/2's act was designed.

: to hurt Farrington, and perhaps his friends as well. S/1 was found out,

and questioned by the French police; his breaks with Willian Garcher

Swith and that crowd dates fron this nonent. S/1 had been forced to

volto an apology to Farrington, confessing to the forgery.

D. S/1 believes that jacques Vergès obtained the

- letter of apology (to Harrington) fron Suith or fron allen liright

(an Auerican, white, widow of the legro novelist Richard Hiright; she

continues to reside in Paris as a Ilterary agent handling books of

wrIters connected with Sartre and Sinose de Beauroir; S/1 says that

she 18 a friend of Hrrington). As for farrington, S/1 believes he

do nou in Ghana of 11 East Gerzary; in East Gerany be has Anerican

frienis: a Negro singer Aubrey Pankey and his unite ifo Kay; sho

18 an editor of the last Gerzan publiahing house Serea Seas (which

prints books 1n English), and 18 closo to Shirley Grahas Dubois.

c. The CPUSA knew of the Farrington forgery and

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according to S/1 told the Cubana about 1t, sinco the CPUSA hoped to

alerrends, S1 and put their sta jeapis la teich a1da the Cubans. S/1

told the cubans a tall tale which ha hopes they believed (anong those

ho spoke to kas Roa): he said that during the French drive against tibe

Elli various poople were writing letters in support of the Algerians and

signing prouisent names to then, and that the Harrington forgery vas

-carriod out in this spirit.

d. The hostility to S/1 fror Ainalee and lacGowan

bad as Its or1gln their anger that Verges had given S/1 a job that

should have gons to an Englishman (or tonan); they felt that Africa

was a probies of the British CP; and so they spread the story about sa.

•. Rodigast recalled that hillian Gardner Saith had

once vritten a letter to the Paris Herald Tribune denying that &

pro-Castro lottor which appeared several days earlier signed i G Srith

•had been sent by him. At the time (perhaps 18 nonths ago) Sulth told

Rodigast, who questioned him on the natter, "Oh, that's an old story. "

Without indicating that he knew Suith, Rodigast raised the question

of Suith's Berald Iribune letter to S/1, who said he had never seen 1t

or heard of it before.

1. Rodigast gave S/l the recent clipping from Le Mande

which indicated that Patricia MacGonan's husband or lovar Carlos Lansa

had been arrested by the Algerians in connection with the investigation

of the Delgado killing. Rodigast warned S/I that we did not know whether

& charze rould be nade, or indeed whether Lansa had already been released

along with others arrested at the sare time. Nevertheless S/1 thought

the clipping would be useful to show to those not terribly fantliar

with the details, but who sight be favorably influenced by a repart

showing that the people who denounced 5/1 an a "CIA agent" bad also

sent Dalgado to his death.

7. Questioned on his resilience atatus vis a vis french and Stisa

authoritles, s/1 said:

2. Ha feels he can come and go to Switzerland without

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problers. When Revolution was alosed no by the Swiss, S1 was called

In and notified that he had three nonths to leave the country because

of the undesirable nature of his activities; the swiss told Nils

Anderssen inPortally that should S/1 change to a "desirable" activity

he would be allaged to stay. Following his departure on what s/1

considered very polite terns (1.0., the three-south notice period),

s/ traveled regularly to Sultzerland (once a sonth, on Revolution

business), although he tries to arrive by seans which expose his to

mininal border checks (train rather than plane, and Irans Europe Expres8

best of all) and while in Switzerland lives with friends rather than

in a hotal to avoid having to fill out polico cards. (S/) vas notified

al his expulsion in Septerber 1963 and loft in Docenber béfore the

deadiine. His nost recent tripa vere in January-February 1965.)

..B. S/I was nover arrested by the French, nerely

Interrogated on tho Harrington forgery charge. He has resided in

Paris since that tine. During the early stages of S/l's suit against

Vergès for payment of back wages, Vergess attorney said in open court

that S/1 had bean in France illegally (as he had no carto de sejour;

ho could not obtain ore since Verges never agreed to a work contract

which would be required at the tine of application for a carte de sejour).

(In connection with the Verges suit: S/7's Frerch lawyer Pierte

Schwarzenberg, has not pressed the charges; bed 18 a Communist and

an old friend of Verges, and told S/1 he believed he could obtain a

sottlerent through persuasion. S/, has already paid Schwarzenberg's

See (the money was obtained fras S/l's brither-in-law), and does not

book whether he can whip up Schwarzenberg's enthusiast. Should S/1

•uãn a judgesent for the sone $5000 owed to his, he could force Verges!

bankruptoy (there 1s a printer in the sare legal position sho has

not insisted on paysent because ho 18 reluctant to bring en baricrupter).

Sil says that 1t 18 possible that 11 be engaged a first-class nor-Communist

attorney in France (who would have to be paid in adrance) be sight achiere "

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this goal, but it is not certain that he could get the or, elnal fee

back froa Schrarzenberg.

8. 705 future contacta, R-digast gare S/l "an allas I an usings

Jazes Sunderland, c/o Anerican Expresa, I1 rue Scribe, Parla 8, tho

"c/o Aserican Express being optional. Rodigast will also look into

the possibility of energency contact via want ads placed in Alger

Republicain of lo Peliplo (the latter 18 preferred by S/2), which Rodigast

believes vill be purchased and read daily by LOPIPIT during the surser

anyay-- they arrive in Paris a day of tho after publication. S/1

"could advertise for a stenographer able to taie perfect English shorthand,-

- far examplo.

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Rufug F. Rodigast

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UELA-45g- 1, 4 June 1965

SECRET

LBITSR OF AGABELENT

KT. Riohard I. Gibson

Dear Mr. GibBons

The inlted States Governsent, as represented by the sontracting

0ff10or, Hereby contracts with you for the purchase of certain infornation

and selated services of a confidential nature under the following arms and

conditiones

1. Compensation. In full omneideration for the purchase of

such infornation and services, you will be paid an anount caloulsted at the

rato of $500.00 per month. Paymenta vill be made in a sacure manner accapta-

blo to you. No taxes will be withhold from this amount. Isorous A mutually

agreed portion will be withheld in an esoron account for you for reasore of

2. Travel. You will be advanced of reimbursed funda for

посвавату expene incurred in connection with such operational travel ae

nay be directed or authorized by the U. S. Government.

You will be required

to acoount for such expenses in a manner consistent with good security.

Since security conditions generally preclude the detailed accounting of

a¡soellaneous travel expenses, per dies will bo paid at the rate of 520 per

day during periods of authorized travel.

tional expenses inourred beyond the amount must bo apeolfically authorizod

by U. S. Governeunt.

The U. S. Government will compensate you in an anount

nutually agreed upon for the relocation of you and your fanily to a new

residonce if such a relocation is considered desirable by you and the u. s.

Governent.

5. The Organization, in recognition of a clergnoral obligation

all tea and to late entered t to are guttoo the ed to your

Governigunt during the term of this agreement.

--

You will be required to keep forever seoret thie

contraot and all infornation which you nay obtain by resson hereof (unleas

released in writing by J. S. Corerent fron such obligation), with full

knowledge that violation of such secrecy nay subject you to criminal

proseoution under applicable laus and regulations.

7. No promises of commitments pertaining to rights, privileges,

agree

Term. This contract 1a effeative as of 1 June 1965 and

shall continue thereafter for three nonths (to 1 Septenber 1965). Extension

to tro years (to 1 June 1967) will be contingent upon the granting of lull

operational clearance and your perfamance during the summer 1965 assignment

In forth Aftica and access aoquired during that period. Furthernore, it

is understood

8o

That on or before 1 Septenber 1965 it vill be possiblo

to renegotiato the terma of compensation of this

contradt for the perlod following that date,

aat Biter 1 september 1905 this contraot (and 1t

tension, can ba terminated by alther party with 3

days notico.

Termination of this agreenent will not release you fron the

obligations of any security oath (seorecy Agreement) you bave sigrod.

Unitod States Goveranent

Do Pol. 1herst

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. '

1'08

Sh1e9, 4D5SK

7E0H8

1es of Station; London

Attachsont 50, 2 80 014A-43,237

1, бого 1965

STB3017/2

Lear iI. S1ED0N7/1

Era inital States sorennons: as rarrasanted by tho contractina,

Ofices, Maraby contracto viti you los the purciase ol castair irforzation

and related sarvices of a confidential natura under tea failoring Dias ard

conditionas

Coscenationo In full consideratiin for the perchase of

such info-nation and servicas, you vill be paid an suout calculated at tre

Iato of $500.00 pas monta.

sagents will be nade in à secura =annes accepta-

ble to you.

No taras will be withbold iros tria 250205.

5005018 A sutually

agreed portion vili

se wishhold is an ascrod accour? for you 10s reasors ol

sacuity as soon as thia beconas a practical possibility.

2. Travel. You ill be advanced of seiabursed funds for

recesgary elpenses ircurred in connection diüb sues auerationai trave. as

say be directed or authorizel sy ing . S. Govarnaon..

to account ior such expenses in a varno- consistent vita good security.

Since security conditions generally precludo the detailed accountire

niscellaneois travel expenses, Ier dies vili be fald el the rate of 320 ger

day during periods of authorized traval.

Greration": Extenses.

You will resieve $100.00 ge= month

for necessary operational expenses on 1 nos-accountable basis.

Any ofera-

•tional exerses incured boyand the anount mist ba ayesifically autrorizad

-by i. S. GoverneRnt.

Tre t. S. Governrent will coupensase you in an enount

nutually agreed upos

for the calocation of you and your family to a new

residence if such a roineation is corsiderad desirabio by you and the U. S.

Governigant.

The Organiza-ion, in recognition o? a clear soral obligation

-.-will underteke to protect you gainst any adversa actions related to your

activitias ani associations enterad into at tre request or the u. s.

Goverrasht during the ern of sis agreezent.

6.

Seorece.

You will be required to keep forever secret tais

contract and all intorsation wich you say obtein by reason hereo? (unlass

released in wrizing by J. S. GovernIent fIos such obiigation), vita full

knoxledge that violation of such secracy say subject you to crininal

prosecuzion under agplicable laus and regulations.

7.

Fo pronises or connitents restsining to righis, privileges,

• bene?its othes tarn those expressly stipulated in writing in thi

nont or any amendment sereto stail be binding on tce t. S. Government

agree

8.

Testo

In's contract is eflectiva as 3ª 1 June 1965 and

shall continue therisiter 1o= ¿hree conths (to 1 Septezber 1965). Extension

- 80 840 yeare (to 1 june 1967) vill be contingent upon the granting o full...

operationai clearzace and your jericrmance during the summer 1965 assigniant.

In TOILS ARTION DId sISEsS acquired during that period. Furthersore, it

is understood

ao That on or before 1 September 1955 it will be poesible

to renegotiato the seras of compensation

of this

contract for the pariod folloving thst date;

bo

Fast sIte: 1 Septerbor 1965 this contract land 11s

extension! can ta testinated by either party vità 30

days notice.

Termination of this agreerer: vill not release you fron the

obligasions of ry sacurity dat's (secresy lgreezent) you love signed.

Taited States GoverasenT

ACCErTED: 3 June 1965

Is/ STUBCHYA

- By

Robert C. Guaria

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0841-43,237, 4 June 1365

1.17

SECRET

SECRECY AGRESMENT

the course of this association I will acquire information about the Organization

and its activities and acout intelligence acquired or produced oy the

Urganization.

2. I have read and understand the provisions of the espionage lass of our

goverrment ird I am aware that unauthorized disclosure of classified informati.

relating to the naticnal defense may subject ne to prosecution for violation

lars, nether such disclosure be made "nile I am associated with the

Organization

or at any tine tnereafter.

3. In adition, "oiner, as I am undertaking a sosition of trust, I bave a

responsibility

irganization not to jisclose any classified information

relating to the Organization without uroper authorization.

I untertake,

therefore, sat to discuss with or disclose to any person not authorized

to

hear it fro information relating to the Orgarization, its activities, or to

intelligence material under the control of tie (rganization. I further

understand that this unertaking is a condition of m. association with the

Organization, tnat its siolation may sutject re to imnediate dismissal for

cause or to other appropriate «isciplinary action.

an! that this undertaking

aball be equally binding upon me after my association with the Organization

as during it.

4. I understaid that the burder. is upon me to ascertain thether or not

information is classitied and it so, ito is authorized to receive it, and,

therefore, I rill otain the decision of autiorized oilicials of the Organizaui.r.

on these points prior to disclosing information relating tu the Organization,

and failure to obtain such a decision will be grounds for my dismissal.

5.

I understand that my unauthorized action or verbal or written utterance

which would reasonaoly je expected to result in publicity on intelligence

or intelligence activities would be in violation of government and Organization

regulations and would be gourds for my dismissal.

i understand that there are establisted procedures within the Organization

ernitting appeal at all times of any legitimate criticisn, grievance, or

complaint and that to carry any such grievance or complaint which I may have

outside the Organization will be considered a violation of the undertaking set

forth above in paragraph 3.

7. I further understard and agree that my association with the Organization

is conditiosed upon ny understanding of and strict compliance with the Organiza-

tion security requirements.

8.

I will not undertake to publish

or participate in the publication of any

information or material relating to the Orgarization,

its activities,

intelligence activities generally, either during or after the term of my

association with the Organization without specific prior approval by the

irganization.

SECRET

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SECRET

-2 -

?. I agree that all inforiation or intelligerce acquired by me in connection

with oy official duties siti: the Organization ramains the property of our

goveriment, and l will surrender,

upon demand by an appropriate official of

the Organization or upon saceration fron the urganization, any naterial relairo

to such irionation and intelligence in ly jossession.

10. I take the obligations set forth above freely, without any mental

reservation of purpose of evasion.

IN WITNESS #HEHEOF, I have set ry hand and seal this Zord

day os _June 1965

Richied Fin

_(SEAL

- Witness:

Route natter

-Approved:

Date

11. 11

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PERSONAL RECORD QUESTIONNAIRE

PART I - BIOGRAPHICAL INFORHATION

1P50/_

Instrüctions

.I.: Write clearly.

Answer all questions completely. !

not apply, write "not applicable» (NAuestion does

3. Attach blank pazes 1f additional space is needed.

Full Name_

RIckaRs THeMAS

GIBSON

2. Nans in native script

NA

3.' Name at birth (If different fros 1.)

NA

4,: Aliases, nicionanes, legal chanes (State briefly tine, reason and

place of use.)

NauG

5. 8o Dato of birth 13 ARAl 1932 b. Place of birth haS ANGELES, CollE.

6

7.

present citizenship, race i1 appropriate

Negro

Hationality at birth and any subsequent nationalities (is different

sion 6.)

8

Present residence (Ones, tenant, sub-tenant.) 3D, StocKlEsH thask,

PRINCE: ALRGET ROAD, LuDAs, Nellif (tenaut)

9:

Permanent. address (1f different from 8.)_

10, Present occupation (sull title, salary eto.) FREELANCE

bURNALIST

11. Naturalization of subject or of close relatives in the United States:

(Give date and pane in which certificate granted.) _

- NA

12. Relatives, friends, correspondents in United States. (Explain re-

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1770/

13, "Pather - foli name, occupation, present residence, year and place

of birth, natlanality at birth and subsequent nationalities.

CLARENCE LOUIS GIBSON, CURRENT ADDRESS UNKNOWN

N: PHLADELPHIA, PA.

RETRED MAILMAN. 05.

CiTizEN BORN iN U.S. BuT DATE AND PLACE

I. Mother - same Information as 13.

ALICE M, GIBSON (Méo THoMAs)

DECEASED 1936 a 37 (?)

15. Wife (or husband) - full name, saiden name, date and place of birth,

date and place of marriage, nationality at birth and any subsequent

nationalities, present residence, divorce, amulent. (Oire date

for all previous marriages.)

JOY MARJORIE GrESON (MéC KAYE), BORN VENDON,

ENGLAND 12 July 1926, Bettish,

30. STOCKIGIGH

TRINCE ALGETOr ED,, LONDON, N. WU.S

at birth and any subsequent nationalities, present residence.

19 5 in a diste US lateration as 26.

None

• Ці

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130L

25.

Kilitary service - dates, country, undt, rank, duty, where

services performed, decorations, when discharged, uty. Give

details 1I ever prisnor of var

ip (Coast), Giff in

to 37K Engineer

sco discharged in Germany

5 Friblic Information

Des. 1954

26.

Present and past sembership in organization (professiona], social;

political, etco) Fpec- see seetz1

mamber

Sociaty if African.

27. Special skills, abilities, hobbies (radio, photograpby, etc.)

cavi oporato camira, tapo veconden

: 28.

Pinancial status - earnings, bank deposits, securities, property

Ove digoo to my brotherin ais (bondon

Каце)

12. yolution fas mark, salary, dates, caployers,

various lasses debts in Pains vesutting from

dresses, reasons for leaving. Include employment by any goverment.

in reponter-thiladelphia Afro-Amerecan (newspaper)

195P95 - salary approx, 150 per week-left f

Secuce Moniton

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28.: Rolatives ini service of aly goverment, names and positions held.

Nose

19.. List all offictal identity papers hold with dates, nurbers, place of 18s0e

¡and duration of validity.

20.

Beligion - degree practiced, nembership in religious. orders

EPISCOPAL - NOT PRACTICED

21.

Present and past political affiliations

Сомріяттєв.

1960 - 1462

22.

Travel outside country of present residence - country, dates,

Isee attachmast!

spoo, ore and sai rested Whitney allenish ip

1954-58 FRANCE

France tress

2ao Languages and dialects (Indicate proficiency as good, fair, poar.)

Language Finch spak foed Read gond Understand

i LAnguage Italian Speak beer Read fai Understand,

LAnguago panidi Spook pror Road fair Inderstand,

German

pose

faira.

fric

fain

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29. (Continued)

Also assistad late Italian conter and filus prodacer, Curios

MALAPARTE, on Italo-Ameriçan filu project. Salaries

were all small and based on precaisonk, Drafted in US.

u DOc: 195717

1955-58 Exclish aditor at Agence France-Presse in

•Paris.-uoas dischanced whan'

'Ollie " HARRINGTON

brought fingery danges against a perent too fis

Guard Shot naray

30. Has subject done any triting? Give details including titles of

books, articles, publishers, dates. A MIRROR FOR MAGERIES

THE NATION,

groups,) carrespondents at home and abroad.

life and children live with are..

1 Correspondents at Heine und

gorcad tor numereus to list

here but have heen reperted earlier.

32. List five character references.

NA

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33: Court record - court, date, arrests, charges, pundshments;

sentences, acquittals, denazification, etc.

None

34. Description (Use American standards of measurement, 1f possible.)

Age_ 34

Posture steppeal

Apparent age 36 or 37

weight 6S bs.

Hotsht Eft loin

Teeth

Eyes black

black

Face - shape sual

complexion leght

Scars

Build medius

Sex

Prominent features_

other identifying features weak

alagses

• 35.

Other miscellaneous blographical data and comments.

1770L

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22. Travel (cont.)

1962 - ENGLAND, FRANCE, DE MOROCCO, ALGERIA

departura from FPCC, na fixed objective

aboroad, Employed by Jacques VERGES

Anal Révolution Afrréaine in Algiers, Noo, 1962

11963- 64 SWITZERLAND, FRANCE, BELGIUM

HOLLAND, ENGLAND - rendence os trips

involued sitte business of edifring

Revolution

1964- ENGenD- stay with wife 's family,

1265- plauent

. ITALY, SWITZERLAND,

29. EMPLOYAGAT (out. )

f. unwellenphess:

1962-64 - Editor Révolution Africaine and

aTer Editorof its Endlish edstion-salar

1000 (c0w) Freuch Ias! of finst and later

1500 fes, per monte- rupture based en

financial collapse of publication aal

publister.

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07777

2

908

F2018

Chief of Station, London

Attaotnent 8º. 5 10 05L1-43,237

4 June 1965

Signature Speciner

Londos. 2 June 1965

In the future I vill use the following pseudony and signature.

Traceria Vi Dominis

rederick 1

Doni

Fattati

TO&

Chief, KUDESK

FROMS

chiof of Station, London

Attachment No. 6 (USC)

/057.2-43, 237, 4 June 1965

I. Silen

70371256

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IBIdor.

24 may'ös (Wash.)

Re: Richard Thomao Gibson

ms Bufile gwien

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DISPATCH

CLASSIFICATION

SECRBT

PROCESSING

AOSEO

TO

жера

FROM

Chief, WE

Chief, KUDESK, AF, FB, ICPIPIT, Chief of Stations,

'Algiara: Parta

MARIS FIA INDEXIMA

NO ICEITES REQUIATO

ONLY OMITIED

HEADOLAS. ZAS DESH

CAN SUCCE BADETIM

ARTIC

Chief of Stations London

SUBACT

KUNISK SIEBONY ORPREY JAGUAR.

JAGUAR Report on STEBONY 1

ACTION REQUIRED- REFERENCES

JAGUAR had nado the following available to us, in responso to our

roquest for infornation on a continuing basin relating to STEBONY/ 18

"In mid-kay STEBONY/1 was still trying to arrango a viait to

Algiers this sunner

on the strength of help ho has received

fron 'sone conrades".

"Robert WILLIANS in Havana has given STEBONY/ 1 the impression

that ho nay visit Algiers as a member of a liban dologation.

Also, STEBONY/1 understands that Willian WithY, mao has coen in

Hanoi, will be going to Algiers.

STEBONY/1 arpoots to meet a

sunber of his frienda there and his sain reason for wishing to

nake this trip is to disouss his problems, paat and present,

with these friends and other interested parties. He hopes to

alear up doubts and uncertaintion and, in this context, he has

commented that one of the reasons for much of the hostility show

to hin has been the reluotance of others to involve themselves

in the differences which arose between himself and Jaoques VERGES

booguso the latter vas olearly more influential and more iuportant

than STEBONY/ 1.

"STEBONY/1 had heard that VERGES was still insisting that

STEBONY/1 wes & KUBARK agent and that File ANDERSCN and Jacques

TRIPPA were 'ODYCKE double agenta'.

GRIPPA, who is leader of the

pro-Chinese Conmniet group in Belgiun, is planning to bring up

toriate his book "Karxisn-Leninian or Revisionism', publissed two

years ago, by adding a new chapter. STAbONY/l is looking into the

positillty of its publication in the JK Or PBPRIME and,

in this

context, he considers "Lonthly Revier' to be the only possible

nediun although Leo HuBErMar, one of the publication's editors,

1s not enthusiastic about the idea.!

ACCOM

George

Distributions

X-Chie?,

2-h105,

WE

ER0:? 1

Escteded tray

damarajing us

declass/*icatien

KUDESK

2-Chief,

2-Chief,

AF

2-Chief,

FE

ICPIPIPES REFERENCE TO

Z COS,

AS COPY

2С08, Раів

CLASSIFICATION

SECRET

• КАТАНИВАС:

DATE TYPED

201-306052

DATE DISPATCHED

9 JUN 1965

2 June 1965

DISPATCH SYMBOL AND PEREBER

OSA- 43, 235

HEADOUARTERS FILE NUMBER

201-306052

S50P26

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к-яо то і са но.

OLE RIO LI'DET.

• вадисн и

ELISSUSIED HESSAGE

34

SECRET

PERSEN/UMA

MIFICO

TOTAL COPIES

REPRODUCTION

PROHIBI

FROM

LONDEN

C/WE3

HIRD COPY

FILE VR, ADDP, G/CI

ASYAACE COPY

15.34. 0

ULU

SECRET 0216512

PRIORITY DIR INFO ALGI PARI PALP CITE/LOND TODI

2 JUN 65 8 8 1 357

KAPOX STEBONY RUDESK ORPREY

20 ON 1 JUNE KAIZENBACH INTRODUCED TIFFANY TO STEBONY/I (S/1).

ON 2 JUNE 5/1 FILLED OUT PRO PART ONE, SIGNED SECRECY AGREEMENT

AND PSEUDO CARD, AGREED SIGN TWO YEAR CONTRACT 3 JUNE ON FOLLOWING

TERMS:

A. COMPENSATION: FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS SALARY PLUS ONE

HUNDRED NON ACCOUNTABLE EXPENSE ALLOVANCE PER MONTH.

BO TRAVEL COST PLOS AUTHORIZED MISCELLANEOUS OPS EXPENSES.

C. TERMINATION: TERM FIXED 1 JUNE THROUGH 31 AUGUST AT

END OF WHICH IT POSSIBLE RENEGOTIATE SALARY IN LINE WITH S/I

ALGI PERFORMANCE AND DEGREE ACCESS HE HAS ACHIEVED FOR LONG TERM

PENETRATION ASIAN AFRICAN REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT. ALSO ON 1

SEPT THIRTY DAY CANCELLATION CLAUSE BECOMES OPERATIVE.

D. KUBARK AGREES PAY COST RESETTLEMENT S/1 FAMILY AT END

ALGI SUMMER TOUR IF THIS REQUIRED BY S/1 JOB LOCATION.

E. QUESTION OF HOLDING PARI S/I COMPENSATION IN ESCROW

JA: BE DECIDED 3 JUNE. DUE OBLIGATION FAMILY MAINTENANCE, HOWEVER,

IT UNLIKELY LARGE PORTION

CAN

WITHHELD DURING NEXT THREE MONTHS •

AND 2

ABSTRACT

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2. SINCE THIS CONTRACI IN LINE WITH TIFFANY TALKS WITH AF

DIV PRIOR DEPARTURE HOS, VILL ASSUME APPROVAL UNLESS NOT IFIED

OTHERWISE AND PRESENT CONTRACT FOR S/I SIGNATURE 1000 HOURS 3

JUNE • IMMEDIATELY AFTER WILL INTRODUCE RODIGAST. S/1 PASSED

EQUIV 180 DOLLARS SIGNING BONUS.

3. TENTATIVE IT INERARY FOR S/I IS DEPART LOND 8 JUNE SPEND

ONE DAY TO VISIT GRIPFA AND OR RAINDORF BRUS; TO LAUSANNE BY

RAIL 9 JUNE; TO PARI BY RAIL LATE 11 JUNE; TO TANGIER BY AIR

16 JUNE AND ON TO ALGI BY RAIL 17 OR 18 JUNE.

4. VE BELIEVE S/I HAS ADEQUATE COVER FOR ALGI SUMMER,

DETAILS BY POUCH.

5. ON BASIS TALKS WITH MARC SCHLEIFFER 1 JUNE S/1 SUSGESTED

THAT HE TAKE TAPE RECORDER (OSTENSIBLY SUPPLIED BY BROTHER IN LAW)

TO ALGI TO USE TOGETHER WITH S FOR RECORDING INTERVIES FOR

" PACIFICA FOUNDATION NEV JERSEY RADIO STATION WBAI. TIFFANY GAVE

TENTATIVE TURNDOWN THIS IDEA, SINCE IT HIGHLY IMPLAUSIBLE

REPORTER IN S/1 POSITION WOULD SPEND TIME MAKING TAPES FOR

POSSIBLE (NOI CERTAIN) NOMINAL PAYTS BY WBAI. HOWEVER, THIS

GIMMICK MIGHT BE USEFUL TO GET S/1 ACCESS FOR PRIVATE TALKS VITH

TARGET PERSUALITIES. LEAVE TO ALGI AND HOS DISCRETION WHETHER

SECREI

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SECPET

IN 81357 PHEE 3

TO iN HORIZE TAPE RECORDER FOR S/I WHICH RODIGAST COULD PROCURE

AND TURN OVER SAI PARI 13-16 JUNE•

6. FORVARDING PRO ONE AND SECRECY AGREEMENT. WITH THIS AND

S/I AGREEMENT LCFLUTTER TRUST HQS CAN EXPEDITE APPROPRIATE

SECUR IT Y CLEARANCE S/1.

SECRET

SECRET

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TOTAL COPILS

23

REPRODUCTION PROHIBITED

RETION

LONDON

ADVANCE COPY

R. PIL, EE 4j WE 6, CH/OA, CL,

S

ECRET 2717D2Z

DIR INFO FRAN GMNY CITE LOND 7989

FUDUST LOFLUTTER KUDESK STEBONY

REF DIR 13891

•. DUE HIS NATIONALITY, WE DO NOT NEED SMOOTHERS OKAY

TO FLUITER STEBONY/1. HOWEVER, OUR GENERAL POLICY IS NOT

TO FLUTTER KERE ANYONE WHO LIKELY REACT AND RAISE FUSS

CAUSING SERIOUS POLITICAL EMBARRASSMENT FOR US OR HMG. -

BECAUSE OF POINTS IN HIS HISTORY AND PERSONALITY, VE HAVE

REASON TO DOUBI STEBONY/I WILL COTTON TO FLUTTER, AND PREFER

DEFER DECISION UNTIL TIFFANY BRIEFED AND HAS TALKED TO

STEBONY/1. MAY THEN

DECIDE, IF FLUTTER IN ORDER, CONDUCT IN

EUROPE WHILE HE.

. EN ROUTE ALGIERS.

SENT

pol

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CASUFICATION

BBCRBT

80

Chief of Station, London

Іна.

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FrOM

Chief of Station, LOPIPIT

Chief, VE

SUILECT

STEBONY - Transaittal of Intervier Tapes

PROCESSINO ACTION

MASTED FOR IMODIUNO

NO INDEXIMO REQUIRED

OATY QUALIFIED DESX

CAM JUDGE INDEXINO

MICROFILA

RoLATenCeR: A. PAIP 3901 (IN 75497)

В. Обтя - 42,706

.....

C. ORIA - 82,410

1. Porwarded berewith as Enolosure are the tapes of KATZENBACH'S

interviews of STEBONY/l requested in Reference A. Hopefully, this

package 1ll reach London in time for background use by Rodigast.

2. After Rodigast is finished with the tapes, please save one

reel of send it back to Headquarters for retention, and destroy

the other three.

STAY. ROLLICK

2 - London "/att

1 - PaTIS 0/8 att

ORO.33 REFERENCE TO

201-306057

DISPAJCH SYMBOL AND NUMBER

OBLE - 22253 E03;

GLASSUICATION

DATE

26 kay

HOS FLE AWABER

1965

BBCRET

801-806052

CI/ICG

ORIGINATING

OFFICER

TYPIST

A. Goodrich

dab

COORDINATING

EXt.

5928

OFFICE SYMBOL

DATE

HE/BC//U

OFFICER'S MASSE

for. Reus

1 - RI

..1 - CI/ICG

1 - WB/BC/U

ABSTRACE

183 53

USE PREVIOUS EDITION

DIFICE STANZOL

DCNE (BC)

BATE

RELEASING

SEICERS SIGNATURE L

"John I: Caswelf

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PROCESSING ACTION

BANNED FOR UNTOXING

Chief, FE Atta: Chief, TE

Chief of Station, London

ROM

Chies of Station, Paris MilK>

KOBIRD/ICHARVEST/KUDESK/STEBONY - "Revolution" Mailing List

NOM REQUIRED -REFERENCES

Referesce: 0ELA-43,113 or 13 Say 1965

Action: Please provide copy of subject list.

NO MIDDLINS BEATRED

олет дикето тета

CAN NOGE MODUNE

Fe note London Station's coment that the only copy of the "Revolution"

ma1ling list, as frovided by STABONY, has been sent to Headquarters. de 258

not clear whether the STEBONY list nas for the English-language edition of

"Revolution" only, or for all subscribers. If possible, ne should appreciate

Headquarters? fornarding a list of "Revolution" subscribers and

addresses In

France.

Our E-MuSE

Distribution:

i 2 - Chies,

3 - Crief,

FE

TE

2 - COS, London

PATCH S

OFPA -

SECRET

DATE

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CUASSIRCTION

21 Hay 1905

MOS FUE HUANGER

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POSED

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PROCESSING

ACTION

NO LEDDLINE REQUIRTO

LADQLANTENS DES

ABSTRACT

ACCOM

FISHED

Hot of Station, London

KUDESK STKBCHY LERAIVEST DFREY

"Rovalation" sidrors lat

ACTION REQUIRED - REFRENDS

ROTe 0TPA 79410, 3 RAy 1965

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which has been complled fron bis passport.

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B. AS EARNEST OUR CONTINUED INTEREST WE EXTENDING ONE

HUNDRED DOLLAR WEEKLY RETAINER ADDITIONAL FOUR WEEKS. IN

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SHORILY MOST OF WHICH CAN BE PASSED. IN VIEW POSSIBILITY S/I WORKING

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TRUST JAGUAR/SMOTH WILL TREAT CASE AS SENSITIVE FROM OUTSET. REQUEST

JAGUAR COOPERATION TO SHED LIGHT ON S/1 WIFE AS POTENTIAL SECURITY

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1o Areas of Knovledgeabllity. A reading of the transcription of

Gibson's taped debriefing clearly underlines KATAJIBACH's EBBEBEMent

that Gibson possesses an encyclopedic knowledge of personalities and

Broups ranging from Zanzibar to the U.S. It 18 not always clear from

the debrieling to shat extent libson enjoys elther a first-hand or-

Ledge or even a friendly relationsbip vita specific individuals or

втонов.

Hoat is clear is that Gibson noves in & willeu on which ve

presently have very l1ttle coverage; that he 1s already a member of

this 200se15 defined society and thus can be presumed capable of de-

veloping nen contacts or strengthening old ones by means of present

sid past associations.

It 1s difficalt to categorize or devine what this allieu 18.

It Is not the vorld of commist parties - although it contains a pre-

ponderance of communists; and 1t does not seen to be a society walch

necessarily revolves about the Chinese. The primary comm denouira-

tor covering sost of the personalities involved In GibBon's reporting

Is some association with the revolütionary noverent 1n AtrICa -- part1-

cularly Algerla. A secondary seans of characterizlag these contacto 1a

a correlation vith the radical French and Belgden left which lles out

side such organized party structures as the PSU, PCF, BCP. (His sain

aCCess to Chinese communists runs through Jacques GRIPPA 1n Belgium and

NIlS ANDERSSON In Switzerland with rhom he clalms to be on good teras at

the present time.) Another common thread, alnost as general, 1s assa

elation with Brotalylan, although the neaniag or clarlfication of this

political description i8 never spelled out. In general, Gibson displays

& good and often personal movledge of target areas which sight be

grouped 8s follows:

organized pockets.

In i aropean leftlet aymatalzare or the liberation sorenat

C. Algerians of Algerian contacts 11 Durope uho vere asso-

clated with the var for independence.

0st i poet tales currently active or occupyins

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c. The exollo American legro couramity.

Minor pol1t1cal vriters and polemiciate in extle

lestiot circles 1n Barope.

2. Access and Limitations on Access." There appareatly has been

circulated a charge that Gibson 1s a CIA agent.

(Inis 1s reflected 1n

his 201 as dating from his days uith the FPCC.) In dealing with this

question, however, KATZBIBACE cites Gibson's own belles that he 18 still

able to operate in the circles which vould be of interest to us. It 18,

at course, difficult to tell Iron his debriefing the extent and serious-

Dess of this charge against GloBon, Insofar as 1t affects his bons fides.

It does seen that in Gibson's Illleu, gosaiD, personal attacks, muddled

loyalties and an aura of conspiratorial confusion are everyday facto of

Iife and that personal contact and effectiveness in bullding rapport

would far outweigh such critfeal personal charges - wbich, Indeed, pro

bably circulate about sost people. At the present time, for reasons not

entirely clear, Gibson feels that he would be unveloone and restricted

vere he to visit Ghans, and, In fact, would not like to make such a

trip. He has indicated, on the other hand, that he has friends in Al-

geria and believes he could probably get some klad of job there or at

Least find a receptive and generally friendly reception. He also appeara

to have sose contact and standing with the Indonesian government, since

he clains their london Embassy offered hin employment.

It 1s not know

to uhat extent he sight be able to parley such a contact into emoloyment

1n Djakarta oI some fOrm of official association in Europe, although

these questions could be explored further. The termination of his asso-

ciation vith Revolution and Verges vould not, according to his account of

1t, discredit him in the eyes of those who might have been partisens of

the 1deologdcal line walch this nagazine purveyed. According to bis

account, Verges 18 not in good standing with the pro-Chinese like Grippe

or even the Chinese, and that his (Gibson's) quarrel with Verges over

upaid salary 18 vell knows.

waile this may not be unbiased, It 18

apparently true that be has lodged a claim for payment against Verges,

and thus 1s not in the position of having been expelled fron Revolution

for Ideologacal deviation. As Gibson secounts 1t, 1t 18 Verges, not be,

so 1s discredited.

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Motivation and Readiness to Cooperate. The debriefing reflects

betveen the lines what KATZENBACH judges in his covering dispatch to be

a readiness to collect information for us howlag that ve are an offictal

agency and probably suspecting that ve are KUBARk. His professed soti-

vation 1s monetary, and frankly so, although e certals degree of fatigue

vita his past profession of ideological punditry 18 discernable.

there

are also & number of Indications that Gibson would I1ke to rebabilitate

hinals lest be be forced to nake his living for an Indefinite perfod of

time in an enviromant that be finds both unpleasant and materially un-

renarding. It is not possible, of course, to make an intelligent judge-

mnt from this debriefing on the firmess and consistency with which be

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sight undertake continuing assigments for us, but this is not an

unusual area of uncertainty vith & new sgent and one vhich a proba

tlonary period should dispel. (It should be noted that in one instance,

he volunteered a name as an operational lead - 1.e., as someone uhom ve

night find it northwhile to look up.

He also provided hat 1s apparently

an accommodation address in Bogota for Chinese sallings.)

4. Long-Range Usefulness and Initial Targetting. Gibson's long-

range usefulness, of course, would depend not only on his effectiveness

and dependability, but on the opportunities vhich vill emerge and take

shape 88 8 result of his 1n1t1al activity. As a general proposition, be

can be vieved as an intelligence collection asset targetted at radical

independence novements, pro-chinese personalities and organizations,

and official persozalities 1n newly energed countries, primarily in

AtTica. Specifically, these targets would Include:

do PAC and ANC: Glbson clains to have friends in bota.

bo FIll and Algerian government and publishing circles.

labar, women, and so farth.

do Pro-Chinese European parties, Including the Belglan (he

clains to have access to Grippa), the Marseilles faction and the

BulBs activity of illa AnderaBan.

do By extension Iron these, although at present only e

remote possibility, developing Chinese propaganda and tatell1-

fence instrumentallties.

In the short range, a current assignment for us should neet the follor-

sag criteria:

a. Lend Itself to probationary exploitation;

Do not the GibBon down Indefinitely to one location or

Involve his in an identification vith one factiou, group or

party that vould lisit bin later flerdbility;

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co peralt hia to respond to targets of opportunity as ve

say define, them, both to have a madum test of the range of bie

enpebility and access, and to probe for the best long-range use

vo may arablo blas to bulld bela boas fides and bla coatacts as

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The best Ikely assigment to fulfill these requirements 1s that of a

journaliat, preferably operating prom Europe, capable of credible travel

1n Europe, Africa and even Asla, with some associations which will pre-

sErVe his bone fides vith target Afro-Asian crouço.

Assuming the doral-

opment of adequate cover, he could then spend an initial period this

spring and summer In Algeria to cover the Second Bandung Conference

(29 June) and the World Youth Pestival (28 July). (Other international

conference, including followp AAPSO meetings to the Ghans Congress 1n

MaY, an ATTO-ABIan Jounalists Conference or further PAJU meetings can-

not be anticipated as targets at present either because of Indefinita,

planning or because of unsuitable location. There 1s little doubt, bor-

ever, that additional nestings will take place in Alglers and Atrica

bringdng together Interesting target personalities from Africa and Asia

uhom Gibson might attempt to report on.) In addition to his contrlbu-

than in coverage of these meetings he night also attempt to develop bis

access and contact anong the official Algerian coumunity at least vita

the value of developing biographical and operational support data.

5 PropOsed for DisCUBsiOn.

The following questions seen to pre

sent themselves for discussion at this time:

docision on the continuation of support to Gibson on a

probationary perlod;

bo determination on targetting for initial probetionary and

possibio long-range employment;

Co sechanies of establishing a project;

do tinatable far assigarento.

James M. Murpby

CA/CE

Attachments:

IO1ID-7065 (re tentative cover arrangements)

Partial List of names cited in Gibson's debriefing

selections fron the laitial processing of Gibson's debriefing

Distribution:

1 - AF/1

Mr. Baker

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HT. DOWnB

CA/33

Mr. Raymond; CA/PROP Mr. Culbertson

CAL PEE

Mr. Landreth

MI. Roberto (u/0 att.)

CI/ICS

Mr. Goodrich

1 - CA/CT Mr. Murphy

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KONTHLY REVIEW WHILE IN US. HUBERMAN, WHO RUNS MR RPT MR, DUE

COME UK SOON ON TRIP. PABLO FERNANDEZ OF CUBAN EMB HAS ALREAD!

SUGGESTED KELLY CONTACT S, AND S WILL INVESTIGATE POSSIBILITIES

GETTING MR RPT MR ACCREDITATION FOR ALGI. STA POINTED OUT THAT

SEUZRAL SMALL OSTENSIBLE BACKERS COULD EACH BE PAYING S, IN

ABSENCE ONE LARGE AND WELL-KNOWN OUTFIT. S WILL BEGIN SERIOUS

CANVASS POSSIBILITIES, KEEP STA INFORMED, AND WILL NOT COMMIT

SELF WITHOUT OUR OKAY. S EVENTUAL MOVE TO ALGI NICELY COVERED

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EACH CASE.

3. OF POSSIBLE INTEREST, S MENTIONED THAT VILLIAM VORTHY

RECENTLY ARRIVED DJAKARTA FROY CAMBODIA. INDONESIANS DID NOT

KNOW HE COMING, UNTIL HE SENT TELEGRAM FROM CAMBODIA SAYING HE

ARRIVING SOON. S AMAZED AT WORTHY'S ABILITY TRAVEL SO DISCREETLY,

ESPECIALLY SINCE HE DID NOI APPEAR HAVE PASSPORT.

A. DID NOT DISCUSS DIR 88977 QUESTION, BUT S NOTED SCHLEIFER

NOW IN NEW YORK. HOS MAY VISH REFINE QUESTIONS ON BASIS FORMER

CEBRIEFINGS, OR WE CAN INCLUDE IN NEXT MEET. PLS ADVISE.

S. S FINANCIAL CONDITION DIRE, NEEDS 150 POUNDS FOR KIDS®

TUITION. CURRENTLY LIVING OFF WIFE'S SHALL SALARY, BUT STILL

HAVE TO PAY RENT AND TUITION. S CLOTHES OBVIOUSLY VERY SHABBY,

HE SAID HE WEARING HIS LAST WHOLE PAIR OF PANTS. WILL NEED

BUY SOME CLOTHES BEFORE HE GOES ANYWHERE. MAY WE GIVE HIM 150

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.. MER SKHAN BRINGING TOGETHER KEY TARGET FIGURES OFFERS BEST

OPPORTUNITY FOR S/1 DEVELOP NATURAL COVER AND GAIN NATURAL ACCESS

TO TARGET AREA.

PANS SELECTIEN CASE OFFICER FOR FUTURE AGILDLIN(-

2. PENDING FINAL DECISION/REQUEST KATZENBACH CONTACT S/1, GIVE

HIM RETAINER FEE ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER WEEK FOR NEXT FOUR WEEK

TO INSURE HE DOES NOT TAKE ON FULL TIME JOB WHICH WOULD LIMIT OR

PRECLUDE FUTURE OPS ACTIVITIES. DURING THIS PERIOD K (OSTENSIBLY

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TO PROVIDE COVER FOR ATTENDING SECOND AFRO ASIAN JOURNALISTS

ASSOCIATION (AAJA) CONFERENCE (CAN S/1 DETERMINE EXACT DATES?).

SECOND BANDUNG CONFERENCE AND WORLD YOUTH FESTIVAL IN ALGI. FOR

EXAMPLE AS STRINGER FOR MONTHLY REVIEW AND/OR IN CONJUNCTION WITHI

•AAJA. PERHAPS LETTER TO OLD FRIEND LIONEL MORRISON OF AAJA IN

AJ DJAKARIA MIGHT HELP, TEMPORARY EMPLOYMENT INDONESIAN EMBASSY

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received compenastion.

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United States Germent for this activity.

I further understand and agree that the entiraty of

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to 1t will bo revealed by ne to anyone.

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Richard GIBSON,

the comer editor of the pro-chinese consunisi

publication "Revolution", left London towards the end of January 1965

and roturned in the second kalf of March, having visited Inusanno,

Rome, Paris and Brussels. During his travals ho not File

ANDERSSO!!, tho was formerly conneated with "Revolution" in Lausanno

and Jaoques GRIPPA, tho leader of the pro-Chinese dissident group of

the Belgian Consunist Party. Since his return to the U.K. he has mado

proposals to the Afro-Asian Journalista' Association for these persona

to secelva coples of the Association's publication, "Afro-Asian

Jouralist".

He has also suggosted to the Afro-hsian Journelista"

hesociation that copies of the publication should be sent to the

1.:

Bullotin d'Inforuation Hardste-Lontristo,

11, sue du Laadry,

clichy,

11.

111.

The English Rookshop,

42, Jue do Seino,

Paris 60.

Nuova Unita,

Plasza CavOUr 2,

17.

Merxtisch-Leninstisch-Centrus,

Postbus 1595,

: Rotterdan.

It appears that GIBSON is trylag to establiah contaots in

Durope with the object of expending sales of the English and Frenca

adItIOna of "ALTO-AsIan JOUrnalist".

17th Harch, 1965.

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1. Ref forwarded the tapes and a rough transoription of the debriefing

session with Subjeot, which were held on February 17,

19, 19, 23, 1965.

2.

In accordance with Feadquarters' instructions, these meetings

were kept on a don't-call-g-se'll-call-jou basis - in laot GIBSON usa given

no seans for calling us.

Also in accordande with leadquartera' instruations,

did not pay GIBSON at & constant rate of over $100 per hour.

The first

(9300) payment to GIRSON was in laot more than ne had originally intendad to

give big as a "binder", but in light of the imminense of his trip to Pirope

wi advanced him that sun to bely him to meet his expenses.

This nioely

ooinoided with our om time table, since the time he vas gone - some three

vooks - should have provided adequate time for the initial tape to be

revieved and for requirements to be prepared and pouoted to the fiold. At

any rato, the total

sun given to GIBSOl, for hig time and e shot at hia

nailing list, nas 8700.

3. ICHARVEST may vell feel that it has been done out of 8700 in co

funde.

The information obtained on Chicon contacts of GIBSON, or on any

* Chicons at all, nas slight.

GIBSCH claims not to have had nore than very

little contaot

with there,

and not to know too much about then.

Unless there

1s hard into to the contrary, we are inclined to believe that GIBSON vas

telling pretty much the truth in this resject, as indeed seema to bave been

the oase almost all of the time.

While this is a bit of a disappointment,

in a ray, and seems to lessen the immediaoy of LOYARViST interost, 1t

certainiy does not appear to elininate GIBSOK's potential worth.

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potential as a source of positive inteiligence on a ride range of targets -

taigets that appear to be only lightly covered otherwise, although we are

not alvays able to judge this. A revier of this debriefing can only cause

one a certain arount of anazement at GIbson's encyolopedio knowledge of sany,

pany groups, personalities and parties of the far left, literally frOM

Amorioa to Zanelbar. Ne leave it to Headquarters, 0200300 032

to evaluate

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his asterial; to the London Station, bovever, it appears to be not only

rather massive but detailed as nell.

Is do not doubt that he will be

calgat out from time to time on facts, and perhaps interpretatione as vall.

But the totality of his information - and the whole perfornance vao without

notes - is astonishing.

5.

Several polnis should be noted.

vas nade to show GIBSOY that his comments on the American scene were not

being nade a natter of record. (I took notes during our talk, and alvays

stopped making notes when such a topio came ug.)

051W: 1903 of 12 February 1965, an area of sensitivity with GIBSON. The only

times that GIBSON really becane enotional vere when he talked about the

23

First of all, a consoious effort

This 18, as KULPA noted in

American soene, his involvenent, and the involvesent of hie olose aggociates.

and he kept reverting to the topio, and big involvewent in it, throughout

OUr CONVerBAtIONE.

He did not share XILPA'& impression that GIBSON's

dissatisfaotion with the state of raoial relations in America makes bin

generally anti-American. He dogg say that he vould not like to be living

in Aneriod for the coming year; but in the context of one who does not wash

to be caught up in a period of growing violence, which GIBSON appears not to

the solution to the problem.

Fe states:

"I agn understand

how they feel that ray, I can recognize the problems, but I sure don't know

what the colution to the probles is."

Fis judgments

on Fegroes in the front

of the racial

struggle (Walter Bove, Y'alcoln X, etc.? refleot not only ar

intiaoy with. the problem and a genuine concern, but also a generally

reasonable and real understanding of rany of the forces at work.

GIBSON

to condemn individuals - he spares no sjapathy for the EBI, under

standably - but he does not appear to condemn the linited States as a shola,

not even the United States Government as a whole. At the same time, be

makes no phoney protestatione, el ther.

Regarding Cuba, GIBSON showed a airilar enotional involvement (ho

aoknovledgas "my pro-Castro bias") but, withal, manages to elve a more

balances portrayal of the situation than nany rabidly anti-Castro

we diring our talken and Suban mattere, vere aloo siallarly lowkeyed by

Where GIBSON really cones into his own, and really astonisbes with

the" breadth of his personal information and understanding, (and largely, 1t

appeRra,

without the sane personal involvement and bias) is in African

affaira (especially in loft-wing flelda:, Buropean Trotskyists and

Communists and their general nilieu, and Chinese-oriented International

front organizationg.

Similarly he aprears to be informad on certain ChiCom

offorts at subversion and propaganda in Latin America.

Belf.

Bose didn't get too specifio, and nelther did ve.

Rather as 1f reading our thoughts, GIBSON offered to reoruit him

quite clear that he would be willing to collect infornation for us, knowing

only that ve vere Odicki, probably suspeoting that ve were kybaráy and

probably coually doubting (because he knows the difference( that we vere

His motivatione can be compiled fron his own words. He has for

sore time been unable to find a suitable job here in London, He has economio

pressures working on him - now exacerbated by the laot that his wife has

caused her brother to withdraw some of the support that he lad been

providing.

Venal? Opportunistic?

Or someone who has a vile and two kids

to support, and no job for the past eight acnths? GIBSON acinowledges that

he has become sorewhat bored with the "rtro-biology" of chasing petty

Ideologloal differences, the kind that naie faotions of sir neabers or less.

At the sane time, he acknowledges that he has to have a job, and that his :.

aocess to and knorledge of these paraosa and groups are mariatable

comsoditios.

His preferance, he says, vould be to have a nice quiet

journalistio or publio relationa job here, but bis efforta to find such a

job have been fruitless.

How, obvicabay,

oan one of his background and

talents better eaploy

than then as e collector end reporter "ê information?

He sayy that he vorla like rublio relatione of Irase vort. fer the in, gernapa,

or an ODYCKE agency, but he is certain that he oould never got the requisite

security olearance.

still, obviously, he guspects that an

"Irregular" arE

of ODIDaT, Buo as te, might be able to vork sonething out.

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How about his Ideologloal motivation? io had hoped for somo

nore concrete expression

than we got, on this score, but what ve have

18 not too bad.

no states that he vill not be

"Intellectually dishonest",

to the point of jeooning a "professional anti-somunist," by voich be

seans a propagandist.

At the same time, he agrees that be has no

desire to be a professional rerolutionary. Again we note that he l8

not blindly or unduly aritical ot ODYOKE.

Granted, he

oritioizes many

elemento of ODiCKS policy and tends to defend sone enemies of CLiCke.

A failure for him to do so would be sufficiently renarkable to make

us totally suspicious of hin.

"ote further his connort that no would

barabeen perfectly willing to talk to un a jear age in Faris in tac

This vould sound ratber suspicious and

aiffloult to believe, vere it not for the faut that hi did show hin-

self to be candid and cooperative in his Paris interrier with a FBSHING

OfFICEI.

How badly. olcan is STESON,

then, if vo are thinking of using

After all, he jas been publicly labelled a "DIA agent."

thEn, NOTK iOT SUBARE Buccessfilly?

GIESOT himself iB certainly a better

judge of that than the London Station, and we feel that there are only

tro indices that can be used to judge

*Le matter.

immediate 1s GIESON's own opinion, einoo Le has lived sitt

and has tested

ne idea in practioe. re feels that he ood stil.

perate (""nove" iB his tern

in nost of the decirable arees success-

fully, provided ke has adequate cover for being where he 19 and dotag

what ho does.

The second inder rould be for us to test his continuing

access to targets of interest.

It should not take too lone to make

suob a test rithout puttine anything into real jeopardy.

11.

Cover for GIBSOn, of course, would be a serious problen. Fe

himself proposes the obvicus anguers

sone kind of vaguely left

journalistic tieup. He should think that such cover could be arranged.

And we proçose to disuces a nurber of possibilities with leadquarters

in due tine.

Utilization and Iccale are most closely related, of course.

Frois our vantage point here, 1t

would appear that Algiare would be the

rost desirable hone base for GIBSCH.

could range out fron thers into

Puropo or the rest of Africs (tia two best targets, alparently) and

maintain a reguler flow of information on Algerian affairs vhile "at

He has spoken several times of the ease with which he is integrated

into the Algeriane environment, and be has a fairly well established babe

there fron wtich to expand his operations.

He has said that he nould be

willing to go there, or Frande, of most any other place where his

children can continue their education in French. And Algiers appeare

for the foreseeable future, a vorthwbile target in its own right,

to vell as the Bite of a eroving number of internationel front organisation

meetings, for which GIBSON would appear to have excentionally fine

credentials. As he says, he could go elsewhere in mirida,

but Algiers

is where he rould fit best. He rould be inclined to keap him, for the

cost fart, away fron the Cuban milleu (except, perhaps, incidentally) to

avoid straining his reportorial objectivity.

In the African, Furopean,

and international front

areas, ve suspeot

that careful checking rould

ensure suab objectivity.

His utilization could best be considered on a straight

information colleoting basis.

as a propagands tool would be

not only repugnant to him but destruotive of his utility as vell.

Presumably he dould be permitted to continue to mrito, not only for

his overt englyere

(In a straight neus fashion), but perhaps oooasionally

for leftist periorials of his on choosing, in order to maintain his

on cover.

(This is, adnittedly, seeing rather far into the futura.)

Fie do feel, however,

that GIBSON

could be an aumirable and highly valuable

collector of positive information on that whole speotrun of the left with

rhich he la already so familiar.

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GIBSOr and security, to this coints GIBSON has net only

mysell, under alias, and under the infression that I vas here temporarily.

this ides vas apparently made to stiok, throughout our conversations.

he would propose that, if GISSON be recruitsd in faut, he be handied in

allas and at a good, safe diatance - nore than arm's length.

ouffiolent operational testing had been carried.out, ve rould suggest

that he not have a "resident oase officer" anywhere - 1.e, neither

here nor in Algiara.

Control of GIPSON is partly exercised by the

dooumento we have received from him (receipts, meno of understanding)

plus the voluninous tayed comments.

These,

are sufficient to do him considereblo professional and forsonal danago

noto partioularly that his vife, acoording to hin, nould not approve of

any of our contaots,

and this appers to bo quite meaningíul to hiu.

Financial control rould be a continuing laotor.

we feel that GIBSON vould feel considerable

unusually bigh degreela.e., KUBARK) rescied hin from hig present and

gratitudo to whoever

difficult position,

"foreiving all", and providine hin with a measure of

respectabilty (at least in bis own eyes) that he has henceforth been, …i"

unablo to achieve and raintain.

In sum, ve feel that a reasonably

strong combination of control factora exist, and can be continued for

as long an GIBSON vould be properly handled.

15.

Wa should also like to comment on the reliability of GIBSON's

comments in the course of our meetings to date.

He have found hin to

bo thoroughly consistent in his consents and attitudes throughout.

we found no indication of dollberato deception or serioue attenpts to

niBlead.

He may hivo provided some erroneous materials, or he ray have

erroneously interpreted

some events; but his comments and attitudes

remained suffioiently consistent to lead us to believe that he vas

being reasonably honest all the ray.

He played down sone itens, no

doubt, and played up othere.

In the course

of a debriefing suon as this

was there seened little or no point in pushing hard at such points

tesides, his knowledge of the areas covered so fax outdistanood

nine

that I could not lavo attenpted to probe or pin hin down on spedifice.

(Note also bis tendenay to nake corrections in the debriefing questionnaire,

as when the: wrong nane vould appoar for a politioel group in Saitserland.)

16. GIBSON's present status is that he la out of vork, in debt, and

althout any prospects of reasonable employment in the near future.

in somewhat occupied with an article he is writing for Encounter;

this

will probably keep his frcu taking another job for the next fow weeks.

Beyond that, nothing is definite.

If ve nould like to give him a try,

then, some move should be made to fornalize natters with him before he

accepts some job that will put hin out of the neriet.

17. Recognising that there are risks involved, it nevertheless seens

nost undesirable to pass up what has the earmarks of being a highly

useful asset.

therefore, that Headquarters review and consider

the entiraty of our knowledge of GIBSON to this point, and give us &

reading on his potential worth, as vieved by Lolarvist, li division,

KUDISK/ICG and other'interested parties.

If, fci reasons of which

Headquarters is avare, and we are not, GIBSON is considared unacceptable

as & XUMBE asset, let us know. Ii, on the other hand, there appears to

bo a market for his talents and capabilitios, ve should nove ratber

rapidly to pre-empt hin.. His present flexibility is not likely to last

for long, and any plan to use hin should taié this into acoount. As

W/BC 18 anzIe, he are not in a pusition to pit this into the fora of a

London Station projest.

This should not be

the reason for negleoting

what appears to be such a potentially rewarding asset for fubaik, doweveI.

"e would appreciate a reply vithin a couple of veelsof read-

quarters' receipt of this dispatch.

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1. Transulttad borevith are the tapes of the 17, 18, 19 and

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Also trangnitted is a copy of tho

Station-prepared transoript of the tapes. too quality of the transoription

rariogs

the first session is nostly sumerized, the subsequent ones are

almost verbatia. Roberta lo HORRELL lid the transoripto, and I

subsequently revierod thea, filling in commenta, names, etc., that HORRELL

had sissed.

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he rough as these transoripta are, a careful sovier of them

18 fairly revealing

about GIBSON, and about his knouledge of the toplos

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Further comment fros this end mill bo containod in an

oparational dispatoh.

Right now va are antions to got the present naterial

into leadquarters' hands for furthor froodssing. This 18 about as far as

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ма істи вик 44575041h подобы "

I was l9 ROse then thoro Yes BuR.

I had loft Rono when the anor arritod.

I had a reasonably cordlal reception almost everyuhero. I got some

IntOrnatIOn. I dida't push too hard. there I encountered a littlo bit of

suspicion but not very BorIous, ves In drunsela, and actualy I think 1t

*as bocause Guppu was s0 busy thore. No said 18 I could have atayed

On a low days, but I didn't havo time or moroyf to hang around. But

I cas almays go bac and seo hin agalo.

I veRt from hore to Zurdch, Lausanno. The only reason I vent to zurles

know

Mas Bimply bocauso Nils Anderason clalmod that the Sales had, you, yo

had boon axpolled Iron Sultzorland with the sagazino, and he said that

they sad told bla that i was lateralt de dago, dani lo, case coma lata

the country.

But I have boon in the country numerous times sineo thei; but neverthe-

Joss I wanted to mato certain. I know thay know no in the Genova alrport.

I wont in the Zurich alrport,

and toox the train there,

(for LaUSanne)

And there I didn't stay 1o,"hotol so that the loeal pollce nould probably

not know about it. They probably were aware, but they veren't going to

bOther, aByu2y. FrOM LaUBaNe I vent to Milas, Milan to Roma, Rona back to

Fanthin tuishrAndorsson again, then Paris, and IrOn Paris to Brussels

and back here. Altogother it took threo rooks. One could have taken

such nore tine. Actually, 1t vas sore establishlag of contaet. I got

sonintormation pos this thing i an vriting for lacounter, la fact I got

enough to do that 1 vant to do. (5 Faue toj

To vants.

I would Ilke to follow up - - to go on to Algiero, to talk to sone moro

people dow there - apparently they have got à lot more inforsation abat

Verges. Or so they told Anderssos,

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of courso useful 11 l'= going to play the sondy sarket. But for Algerian

currency it ras hard to find a buyer. The opposition has been the prinelpals

buyer of the nor curreney.// sa other worde la dario fe

I the acoate unto base

to out of the country when the chango in currency cano did who ise shay

for hard cash for their people going in and out, were buying this currerey.

And this had created a sore favorablo axchange rato. ¡any caso, at that

timo the exchange rato was hardly lavorable and you had to giro a sell order

34 hours da levant of the bank to 3iad 8030080f. And that was the taleg.

The noney, ho, sayst that the oxact sun in the bank he is not cortals,

In that aceount, No knows that Terge's ligure was around isaanx

75, 000. No thinks that was fairly accurate. That 18, 75,000 dollars,

On Algerian curreney. The noney was placed there between the end of july

or August of 1982 and December of that year. In other words it was just

after indopendence but during the perlod of struggle batsawaty sor porer

1 between the carA and the Flameer diz

group. Thare he got the money

Irons /as for the second $75, 000, Vorges said he had another account.

Ho koova (Anderson knora) apro said bolore, nothing niout tate sona

frankly, doosn't bolioro it existed.

However, he doss think that Terges has roceived small abounts of sonas,

nero fron he doosn't know. The Chinese line 1s ending. In fact, you can

toll Iron looking at the nagazino, the last aditorial. No changes-

The oditorlal called Compagnos de Route, which seans follow TravOlor,

Tals 1s just what ho didn't want to tid bo called. And it ands up by saying

In French- on a rait osandes compagnons de routo-

1- no 're follow travelers,

we're for a united front of all the liberation

noresents with comprobension but without condescension. It's & much nore

undertraanks nodest, It's a playing down of their own rolo. In faet sone

of the artielos sustrated inside the magazine of course are not 1a 11n0

ulth the editorial. The aditorial doesn't have Tergos's style, althor.

Gão do you suppose vroto 1+?))

That 18 vory diffieult to say. It doesn't to uy aind seen to bo the

stylo of fil either. I would suspect that it vas vritten by easied (?)

but s05 nhat purposes? = Grippa's people told no, i roll, they considered

this a farorablo turn, that they vere tilling to accept torges as a fello

I traveler but as nothing soro, and thes told bla that 100z 250. This la

= Dorop strugsle. They told hia that and that's more they're st121

not certain that they want to have anything to do with hin. And apparently

It's gotton to bo the standardste Something that you deit-- they domand

that people who cana to sea drippa now ara foread to say "to hero potbiag

to do with Yerges; if we had something to do with verges, we make our self-

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(Jean an is ties)

Jpay some people down there that l' could talk to. Apparantly-they've got a

tot siore Intoriation about Torges ind so On, sectiosted That's Wint they

tale dodesson.

(Tho told Andorson?

Oh, some sombeg! of the Algerian Porelen Ministry Who, I think, 16 la

or traveling

199887tS:80:89903804085BESASL

nes Switzorland. Ho soos a lot of

A]gorIans because he worked with then dursar the Algerian war, su vamous

capacitwp.So he still sees them.

(Tou turned up some information la your talks with Anderton

(Legal ion on)

Yes, sino. You moan about, source of, lunds.

No, assures no that the money

was not as I thought 1t nas; bet 1t was in the LOTH of Algerian currency.

I thought 1t was in stocks

and bonds was based on his, statements that he used to ney,

ask him. 10r money ho rould say, "I must go to

the bank to toll then to sell"'

How apparently what his meant nas that that were bolding the Algerian

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crltlelsa. You know, ve

this anymoro."

A number of groups, apparently 50. •

You know, they have created

the socallod Spanish Communtst Party, Pulikarsist-Loninist, and this vas

1

one of the conditions. Thare are talks going on in France between the

Chelay Group and tiro Harsallios group and that nas ongol eases, again,

the conditions of the karseilles people who vere tied up with Kuin: acca.

(le) that rotses had nothify to do with them. on the altudented there are

solves the DIapeRU Rouge grOUp. It's a VOry snall grOup anyway. That agaln

nas & condition. They put out a nagazine, a news lotter, called Drapeau

Rouge which had been nainly written- it's one single edition- mainly

hin(thea). Terges has said, horder, kennetent not

strango things too very long agates

ago at a cocktail party, he said, "I don't seo why people reproces no

S0I accopting ald is Alriean friendsánd comrades" Alrican comrador,

.. no longer Chineso conrades. He also says that ha adnitted that thay had

nado mistakes, that the magazine had boon too sectarian, dogmatic.

Torges said this to laspero?)

Tos. Anderson told no thet.

(Thon he says Airicas, dogs ho noan Black Atrican Or Arab?))

This is what we don't know. He have no idea who would waste that much

money on him. First of all, who has the money, with which parties does

he have connection.. The UPC and the Caneroons, That split. the UPC and

the Caneroons, a certain amount of money cones fron Russia, other money

coming iron the Chinese, but very snall anounts, because no one wants to

pour money into this very divided organization. And ho had contaets nith

one ving of It. I tens can't seo them giring him any noney. The Salaba?

Balava party-tuanied digor, they also, according to anderao,

¿Tama"lno 1s ono of their executires peoplo, no 1s 1a Alejore, and tha

comes to Switzerland quite often, said that ho no longer oven bothere

uhan ho goes to paris, to see Torges, that he sort of considered 1t

northlons, sort of an adrenturer, an opportunist.

The thing that was for me a bit frustrating in all of this vas that

avery once in a shilo - -

- this that and the other, lo, has

always had this equiroque, this doubt hangisg over hia. But so one has

anything hard and fast about his. You can got- well In the past, what did

ho do. Ho know vaguely what he did, but neverthelass, what would you say

11.

Pastes'

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his anbitlos, but his anbition soons to sh1ft fron one thing to the othor.

You don't know oxactly what doos ho vant. When ho startod this nagazine,

obvlously ho wanted to play a rolo in Algeria and Africa. Driven out of

Africa, he still thinks ho's going to got haska back to Algoria within a

rolatively brlof porivi of tino, siz nonths to a your. And he kopt saying.

to us, "Oh, yos, ro'll bo back, we'll bo back." Ho's alroady proparad a

I1st of peoplo he's 801ag to haro throus keystore in ja11, or shot,

(laughiog) of threaten with firing squads and so forth. That soll taili

Sea 29lle t0 0161212,

through. And son, of course, I suppose 1t sust be extronaly bitter to.

Zora DRIFE

(thiy;

Lad to see Bitat, who had been raker-ble roally, the closest, and roberders,

4 boen his closest assoclatos inside of MIglors, With aurantxalxeezer

salijania Sorrived, but abo doesn't baro any real pities volent, polstically,

gid Bitat 1s back In Alflors, has nado his peace with Bon Bolla, and now

ropresents, he's the General Manager for Volkswagon. (laughing)

(with the Algtorianim wwirin..r)

Andergon's conversation, about Verses was hased just on Bitat. Bo said

"Noll, Bitat Is 801ng back. Isuppose Verges will be followingal, bohind."

Ilo said (the Algerian), "No he won"t. No have = 11lo on hia, "that he's done.

with money, in partieular. Apparently they clain that ho had been dipping

Into the full for years.

(the Federation

defenso totez,

all, a lawyer and then beeame the top lawyer of the flAM

in France

The logal defense team, and this plant That

he had access to enornous suns of

Money. The digor obriously and unite dund canization, ares 2s volle

structured a one as the Algerian any cannot denand very accurate bookkeeping.

so under those circumstances -

Torges himself has told that some things about thi

As *Pull connection with kalder, Andergon thinks that thider may baro

holped his, to got sonof hat of Algerla, but he doesn't think that he got

anything after he loft and Khider loft Algerla. In other words, he said

as long as he was on the scene and formed part of this vague opposition

to Ben Bella which Inider sought to at least unite on a few issues around

himself, he nay have received some noney. But afterwards, ho doesn't thiak

ho socalrod any. Lo has so prool, of courso, Il ho did sorolto, It would

nave been shall suns given to

jania Aubra as a token of friendshi

noro than anything olse. That nay hare explained her trip to Geneva, uhea

she did bring sono noney.

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That vas 10 Karch OX Aprll, last yoar.

((Mhat la the curront PlaaDolal ralatsonshlp botroon fergos aad Aaderaon?)

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ale consoetioneth taldor. Andorson

thraks ho got so noney 21 tax

ho 1074(1181050).

Is apy came lt-rould haro boor

SHall guns fIres to Gener

аВ СПрОВАІОД

of Trlendships.

originally for Revolution. Ho was very caroloss about soney. at one

point anted A to buy a house.

Evidently, thought he bad enough soney

for anything. They bought press which turned out to be useless.

hanght a cortain anount. But they didn't doeldo pries definitaly.

(Ganquir)

But A, pald a debt to a printery

1 Sules printer onod by verges.

blocked Revolution's recountr

when he blocked it. They had a previous debt with a ixosch printor.

Paugues de out u male

COng 1a from aalos 16 yery snall, 'éague las vest contadic

ould put the easies of enter, on's to demand money ana

111 € 81nd 1€ 1a 18 hour /êould force bankruptey. But he wouldit do

that wulles someone woult

i cleo someone all guarantee he want get hio 48,000.

10 Guarantoo Buquia for anount of money, boat way to put lay, out o1

bus1ness.

went and fone bankrup

I Could do It IDols Ip'could get the sonoy, al could geta

_ rouelles

detual logal composition of the company found by my lavyor:

Edicioa

22 Aug 1863, Terges through & lawyer deponited papere of corporation

107" Socloto AnOnyno Mi'at joth bureau ParlE, capital of 10, 000 irance

p8, 000 hold by Torson and 2000 by kaur coot a Swich.

mercine@three were

I thought there nore at leant fire, but fonly tro.

Tho soney to

hactually deposited by a chock through the lanyers guild.

Those 18 10, 000 8010

BOWerheTO AlOnE the 1120. 2o Gauguin could get hat meal.

Company does oxlat but nobody| able to 1iad 1t.

3o1ng to get out of

probably thisks "they are out of France"

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5....-

109.

Of Borolution I can do 1t 1a 48 bra. Lote of pooplo vant lor out of

buniness. Quentlos

(?)

Quention 1o whero does Verges got the saall suns necesnary to keap going.

Nes paging as leant 5 pegai pull-time. plus ie pend- prine..

Daldueea printod No. 12. It 1s s high powered 11rs. what torns of agreenent?

23t8 asue has 80a8 back to orlant prose, Pe old pritis. I denit kuor why.

I should have spont soro tino in Paris. I dont vant to overplay sy hand.

To best ui

" I should have done was

iod, to question peoplo systonatieally.

Ia Parle Only laportent contacry Yaldos, spaslaho dare magons 1080

on spay troupe. Clalnefant naked Cuba 10r soney and 8o8 turned dors.

SINE

Calors wait have much money'

H'a Groat shock to theso peoplo to 11nd that Chinose aren't putting in money.

It 1a alwaya sonoone olso,

Verges always indiroct. doesn't nant to auk anybody los noney.

de cultural

probably through juanArcoche, prosagattache, Paris, Pornor soiltray

01 CarlOS Franqui, editor of ROTi

luciAr lena la vory anti-Communiat, hipped

on persocution of hononexuala.. Not necensarily one hiasell. Yory interesting

I did not soo Pranqui. I don't knon uhero ho le.

I was getting onough info for personalnoeds. but didn't vant to overdo it.

I do nood a botter story to travel around on.

Grippa gonorally nas busy, lot of people around, briously delegations,

Ture was a calastropie,

Iron shero I don't know., Something had happened. Es 18 rathor vague.

¿hat cleat bottoon drippa and Spesot camo on question of money. Alter,

many nonths, togeetyrent to Brussels, talk endod abruptly. Y aid; tip vent

B2732

Bald about na. Predisposed to oppose -targe

averues.

Verge will not confile to anyone - eve Anita cole the many one it.

Vorgos and Algorlan moroy. An Did ha just s2y, just toll then, that he

got the sondy Iron the Chinosg? Did he get 1t ITOn sOReODO In Algeria

but ho 10 afrald of diselosing.

Eo roulda't toll the Chinese at Born the source of bie funde.

Q'Tergos dosta Sota) 930, 0007) 8 10rr ho suet hare elopted aNay at lozat

the big debt with the original fronel printer. I said 30, 000, 000 IranCE OF

ajecock

tessel

about $00, 000. Eastat confirned that it as shout that anount. tastet

"ém and I and my tile vorked out the ostinate. I don"t rembmber the breakdown.

Had Printing, photographs, paper, rent. le sald battamn 30-09-0-1012-

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I havo to learo around soon, my littlo girl at horo by horsall.

BILe MOrking 1n Tunisian Babaasy, 148 a nook. Sha 18 (18nºt) very

happy there.

Not much soney, renenber taxes.

Andorson: general baekground- ho la Stodiah, 32 years old, bora 11

Iranco of French nothor and Suediah lathor. His parente anttiod in lausanne

when ho was l nonths old. Ho was raised in Suitz. had so little connection

w1th Sweden that when finally had to go into Swedish army had to laaro

Stadiah. Marriod to roman who 18 daughter of a proninent Conservative

Su polstiedaa, nay bo a somber of the Faylionelicil. Don't know bie sane.

•Husband does not soo her parents. Ho chose Bredish nationality becauso

Freuch

sost convenlent, during Algerian var and dida't vant to go into, aray.

Sular satlonallty rould cost both noney and silitary service. Therefore

took prodlab. In bio youth do vasinvolred vith Ilterary and dramatie

groups, still toen ntoret in pootry and drama. He is consocted with

Thatse populairo Romande. His pross serrbo nainly 10r naterial 1ox

then. About all ho prints. He in forbidden to print any politieal saterial

but ho can print or baro printedéhinose ilterature, walelfelasalflod

2s pallorophical, Do can't print Octobed Fiel cou pint by Gaugurntret

No has savor incorporatod nano la citt -

soak of kle things are not posstial (ond war late. Hot anally

a political oporation. Eas tro enployes, a secretary and a spanlah boy tho

takes esto of the press.

Ho t0r a tino very such inrolred tith the Fli

hor it happened don't know

Geratis as bat as ario dual e

¡6 Das ODe Of their prinelpal agenta in switzo, le ipremented

Javies det fero support not vork, to do tasks til coulda't do thomsorias.

Carry1I8 Neapons, noney, ote. He operated the Sulas

tuch natorial nas amstled over selas borderet Colora, Will Hestißellere?

Through coRDection with YIN probably made that contact rich terses and

n1th damporo. No got tato publiantos discaliti

through contaets nith Nasparo who

vas pIlatial books. Algerians vanted these books to contonue coning out

He had no trouble, Sales police thought his 11fe was in danger, "Tomthe SAS.

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Ia h0 solrent? Tor.( But hls

ulte workanto a school teacher. tooy savo

& ear. They pay lon seat. B 1

Bullding of very nisod oceupancy.

Ils father and nother had flat In this building. The lather and nother nose

docoratora. Has offico on upper ground floor and press on lomar ground floor.

H1s father dead. Hia nothes ronariod. Still a decorator.

Dont know just uhan A started this business. He began in decorating busines

papor hanging, ote. Then got into pootty, tu ote. had a littlo nagazino.

Do had sono noney and bought the distributorship of these publications.

•From that ho vest 1at0 publiahing, dun

ing Airprises.rat.

past

Octoone

October- d'and groap around him, established in 1901, sumner, altor

¡lanco 03 the Sules Communiat Party. Bxtremely anall BrOUp. a coult i lug

A1s to convince the poop'e insido of, rightness o1 Chinese

theis and

provido a rallylas point sos thone expelled fros the party, priatate

Itallas. Freuch & Geman

Suins CPhas all of 15 people.

I estinato 30 to 10 peoplo Iarolred.(VBry MeRk organizatIon.

handed

It majght be disereatly Iinaleed by thechinero. Throug a little mou dinaron

A 1a obriously no longer really the contor of 1t. He nas the initlator.

Faet ho la not Sulas nay have belped. I loel ho vas gradually pulliag

beck tron political notremenh. Is undel close sunrillue by the

This falle

- has beca varred chat le com audcant.to.

Peoployavon vent up to Borne and askad for his expulsion. They got

from, ense

very littla satisiaction.

who cone 1n

There still are numbors of Spaniardo- he las Chineso and Albanian literature

1n Mes Spaniak.

Catalan. The t90 leadors one aut of it.

Taro unfapa: Proletario, Chiapa eroup la third. That has too people

recording to laidela the leadera of the other tro eroups vore expolled

fron this Losin-Stalla party.

seates

Don't think ho at11l has distribution of detober offlelally, Jo

who it

hat's political This bas derirod Iron the Revolution Ineident.

Euro, could atay In Saltzarland 13 do wanted to but had to got out of all

political activity.

astiro than ho was. Ho was not rell inforned about itallan group,

Musava tuitá

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-....a--fdoit i açeue.=..

He 18. 1n contaet with Grippa/ and uith kampero but very unhappy about The

politieal line of Haspero's papor.

Endersions infe: A sell, somau-- self-dramatzes.

sho went to Albania (annly of Albanian ror.) and sone other peoplo from

the detober group. Mont to roproash them for the aid they had given

Bullion leuva does sany things ho can'e do becauso be la a 10To1gnos.

Impression. But she thought the Albanians buto botter lalorned about

зиторо апараг л

panita Kurope than the Chinese.

Sho at ono tino vas a nonbor of the contral comittoo of the laurut suisa

Tant opte

Connunist Party.

party vas innediatoly on the Cestral Committoo.

A knows an the sin do sulailand

to see 11 you sent to set up a baso for

Tie hot Curtal group

put he bed contacts mith then. der Tether Dondo

and interosted.

dan they arD just MOrIOrS.

eleanoe

116Đ

Catalan.

Marxist-Loninist Communist party nade of the three groups- Mundo Obrero,

Prototarlo, Chlaps groups. Tro nesbers.

I can porfectly boltovo 1t.

coaso any retivition on behall of sovolution which was solt as undesirablo.

Whether he la st1ll & contact botreas groupe on outsido and Chineso

Communiats 11 Berno cannot say. do ls nuch loss activo.

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all there-soresents d1~aishing.Is 8120-20d-15p05 100-...

.?....

No nay Do gOlDE tO brussels. Ho 18 1a contaet Mith Grippa. I don t

know about 1t. Ho 1a unhappy vith la political lino of Nesporo's publiention

Bricenson

aid thoy had given gullitend.

Apparently that vas ironed out. His uilo does sanythings that ho can't do

Docauso bo 1s a sorelgaor, She sete an hia agent!'?

(But be doesn't haro much to do with Albanlans, but hor visit has sonerbat

rainod the prostigo of Albanla 1n their oyes.!

-I thisk ho mould much rather doal with the Chinese.

No may hate come is contret with the Spanlards through the Algorlans.

Do 15 knova as ian 1a Suitz to go to seo 18 you want to sot up a bazo for

ary movement •

any kind of revolut1on/ Can BIre you adrico,

put you in touch with the right bunch of people to sell you aras, if that's

what you vanttarkans.

There ran a troue called curletl extremely antiredo al

sorts of things •

—DaneL

Custat zaara. He had contacts with thes, with the Rer Father Dondo,

who is

A Catholle priost fron Lyons, /Tortor priests, Involred with the PLu,

very nuch on the left,

now involved in varlous things, rebels, congolese

with missal in one hand and sachino gun in

always gua-running, but had very high protection in the chur:b, fils

tlowilth Cardinal Goaler

01 lyons, who just died. Alad thes with the

we informed ind

Tidins

would

money be sado tron tilo to take care os him.

HeDy of people

nore Cathollc,

Just Catholie, sono lost the church. ta

Coor Party dida't want anything to do with the Algerians.

Somo are now in Algeria. Algorian

garo basis 10I/Chinoso alonents

In lefting youth of France

generation

ones who saw the total inoffectiveness of the Con party in France

vere disgusted uith it and sought to nake up for this failure

and sought tomato of for this fallure of the Com party. I understand

now that there le freat confliet netter nor soneration da youth novenant,

lane a pant once add yead any bot the aristo,

Spanish Soclal Denocrats, sons of then. Droad left spoctrun. He pablishod

a book about .

spaniah Workora, Bitterly attacked by Krein

and faldos. It vaan't Marziat at all.

Al farly caBy accosa to Chinod Babassy, Mith Ambassador? No mith a

men named Chu, think Pirat Secretary. He apparently 1s the delegated to deal

nita Buroporns Communisto and in on.

infinemisin

Don't know whother A has contact with other Chinese, Sono Chineso esne

to hin. Normally a question of publishing books. And a rory nodost typo

of thing.

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?MUST MEN QUERIELLE

A has nothing to do eith ev

basically with the Babassy.

do told no had an Ineldest with tha son Plist SeC. at the Cuban Embassy

lant Jan, The Son hoard bla saso, sald are you sukas Ingllah? do Bald, 10, I'm

di. You aust be the Andersos. sor.

told his ha couldn't got away with

people like via.

that sort of ta last de crotional cuburat.

¿ !,Tried later to loaro

bottor inpression- I adalro what you have boon doing, ote.

A 1o knows. to ihe Sovitts.

Ho has boon is costect with the Selag, Party, With the Britreand, Liberation

soveront. Thet was slight. He is in ouch with Curiel and compery.

l'a not cortain he 1a 1a complato approval of what Curlal zroup dolle.

A was in contact uith franch lost Indians. I don't know how far that vent.

Bero In London Curiol vantod to lound a nagazino last sumpor to be devoted

to test Indies.

Teres tuls lee here,

#Piamingo and Daylight. Don't knon shether Curlol has antat anything to

The Spaniards- I had no rozl knoulodgo onthat.

Io was disappolntad than the exaggerated clains of the lPLA vero exposad: l!.

thest claus

that they had plazes, aras on the lnalde, etc. Battley cortir doumunt icin cheins

STurbed out a nonstrous blut?. Tao upA mueh nore conservative organization;

Understand Dr:..

"Frescontactith the Chineso.

Ho probably 18 1n Alglers non.

A, has contacte rhich connist os/boing stero you came to use is

Arkopt 11 contact with Torges then Verses in Algierg. Is had cultivated le

Induson toen't it the lousyling aboat ozed mong

AdorA"8. A tent down there to vialt vergos.

. had full power ry

of attornoy to sign sor the tortos banti ascoist la the lin du Bangue sunil

Iron MataXa 1962 until probably Jan 1901. Yorges elainod that A had taken

soRey. A'Elained the funde voro dons to 500 SuisE Iranes anyray.

Torgos sont feesi

to close the account. Bohind d'a back, and when

A sound out ho was furious. Venge ciaried he ales ind a seesud accout n

Sincerian Verge haunt sean old ence ling 96".

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, ID OCt O1 82 bOTOTO I VORT tO AlBIOrS, bal uhan 1 eRso to ParlE I BRU

- t was indichus

Side §anot tho had a largo amountsor Alsortan currency in his flat tho

clot shelros vere covered fith bundles Algerian currency:

Spot Sinot da Nor York vien he cane back from Cuba: No and bia viro.

Do cano through FPCC Sfu:

Ho asked no 11 I had tine to help hia change sone of this noney, which

ah ba clained as fires bin by an Algarian fIlando who Las going on

a world tour, had brought it iron Allore, but banked alpendent to

waved oaly ake up to a certairs assat.

ehange larso amountey do vas soadios it by vardou poopio to airport, ote.

saall banks, to change a littlo at a 1180- for one retu.

This of course was prt of

the noney thatterges got, dacoume.

Sust

Twist had been closely molved

lo vas text too conspieous to do such i au gee way. i may hau

and coch.

ertainly bolded in propaganda

He kned Chandiali at the IN, And

¡Ills Algorian connections very good. He vas in contaet with Ben Bella.

ins?"

To Brench gort would never tude wast flut, misd i said to had but

second, 's said fe had no gropes coth.

did allow finet'a vifo to 80. It was she who took clothes to Ben Bella

when he ras released, and went to lair

sarato

lum I saw Siret in Paris

He told? me all

* It was notually throkh finet that I roally got the job with versed.

I had hoard of liland he apparently had head of no, but I had peter known

prad that If meet thin then -his setibed- fuck ad coulde

This vas at the tine betreen the struggle betreen the Chl and the fiemsen 'o,

.needed-mo

reed to ey to lo or dado many for a

ferges carried the

Ry-pirat rooting with Yorgos about IS minutor, Talking about a Baglah lane.

0d1t10a thor / Rustin fuicin.

No then business manager,

A11 EuzureR, later socyol Alflerian Embassy da Leopoldrillo.

PITEt Root128, a 1à HovenDer. 1962

0881cos of Journal d'Olget

had to be cleaned up. had boon boabed. ry CAS.

Borolution caud 18 issues. I bare the full file 18 you are interented.

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(U01808-1088-p05t,

The polltical action vas breakias up Tital Eludil disapped into Ba Bello.

older yes cooking to use bla pie as eurelan, l a prant, i ernes le lad come

but his middlo class background used ery successlully against him by

son Bolla, Juice se Came out of

Evaryone know of thider's speculation with money. Turnod out he had

$12, 000, 000 in Switzerland, probably much noraelswhere.

Yorgos was originally the head of the African Section of the Algerlan

corolgn sinistry. flet the lemon pomp came. in. I'lie to

his Afarcan

contacts

So laid not got along at all well with themidl

who was their

no Bos-Botte's forolga sinistor.

‚l'm curtain,

Ho thas at sane time nade contacts with Bltat and thlder for noney.

*

It went bohind Ben Bolla's back. One it came datit who a ait accompli cod ediant ale.

Ho; maintalaod later he didn't expect to höld out as dong as he did.

Bouleira!

f. His n110 under Moslon law, was asked by Ben Bella 11 she nould narty

h1n. She had ferocious animostty against Ben Bolla, Still han, 2 wink.

M'i, lad astod to turn over everything to amarmned thrver. At 11 next sorning,

with ramils Bowdends uncce

O to bao conetone ta Morocco, 2o life as the Palace, 20. 2 sundent auds

Jut I don't know who

Vorges always cultivated a nyth of big connections. But bo does

"obujously the money

Sinet had had

So he went to faris and then he came to Switserlandm and then he started

to set up o

he had sole money, obviously in France . &

• and then he

started transferring his funds fron Algiers-fron Lausanne - - transferred

1t on his person, on my person - no he never carried any soney, but I

carried sore, and Kessel did too. lessel claimed that he was actually

stopped and searched and that he had this money in 500 franc bills

In his hip pocket and they never looked in thete.

Any way, he did

- get the money in from Fracne.

And he began publication of revolution

as a monthly in September of 1963.

- ((Had you knows in advance what he has going to do?))

No.

In fact, it was a question for a unile, whether he would do 1t=

in Switzerland.

A wanted Yorgos to set up magazine in Suitzerland. Atnot nas very

nuch against it. I's

cortain Verges nai never intodned to go to Sultzerland

Hey Innedlatey spread story that Verges had stolen somothing like -1

I. HIS

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vory upsot whan ba hoard that Yorges was in Paris. lo didn't liko bolng

connected with sonebody who had stolan money.

I callod Verges and said

ho botter got in touch with Andersson hingell, better see him soon, because

ho would koop putting hin off. Tua lact was that Andersson and I went to

Paris. That's when we saw Yorges. Verges platatod him, said there was

no truth in the charges. In faet, the charges were reduced. Harbl hiuself

cano to London, 'Tho anount) vent down, ISOn 300 mullion to 200 millio

Ison 6o million to 50 mullión, and the tholo thing vas droppod.

BuzerIn, the business annager, ras oxtronoly indignant about the talk about

aisappropriation of lunds and denanded an audit of the books. They found

B aillion france surplus. That vas over nore disturbing to them down there.

Haste

Hatbi is supposed to hare said "this isn't swindling; this 15 in: ffair cl

stato. Buzerin vag then givon his clean bill of health and ho went off to

Da socrosary (of Eybassy) in the Congo, in Leopoldrille. On his way

back tils last Spring Iron Leopolduille I - ho was no longer going to

stay thore; I think he 1s in Algeria now-- he and his wife stopped in Paris

and say Torges. He had been in contact with verges and he was very much

ted, farily wise, wife this whole Bitat-Zake Daiff Chood.

our transfer/was siuply that hore we had boon working for Verges

personally. The money, there in Sultzerland, had been his noney and the

Algerians never nade any attempt to get in touch with us. None whatsoever.

shero ras a lotter to Anderson iron Chalion, tha remained vita the

Algorians. There was an attempted phone call from then down thero- probably

Chalion of someone with the magazine- which Andersson refused to accept.

So we really more never before the choice. In other words, ha proposed

(tha work); ne mere doing what he proposed. He was going to continue and

the algerians had no coherent story about the money and what was going

of. At that time they weren't interested in the English edition, Later,

when it continued, they did produce in Alglers one Issue of an English

edition, an laitation of ours, ühleh was very badly done. That was the

Lagt. They never did any nore. That vas edited by Patricla Magoran Pinbeiro,

Get warti

whs was involved with a

na ha11-Ang11sh, hall-Portuguese, loader Iron Mozambique who allegedly--

FRELIMO

hia grOUp 15 OXtIOnely snall-- la nas kept guing by the IlLeno pooplo STON

Mozambique becauso of the laet that they needed a luropean to represent

tho progreagITo furopean olenent (laughing) for whan the day comes for

(Fes husbaal)

takeover by AlTieans- well, Carlos was walting for the day then Carlos

«111 ba produced as a gonuine Hosanbiquan of Suropean origin. She vas

also involved with the Portuguese. She rote a book about Portugal

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titlo. She speaks Portuguesa. May be- apparently is connoctod with the

(sorment-spitting- the Eldora do frisinens va,

Just part of the leoberg that stuck up abore the water. She was elose

to the Algerians. She produced this one issue. Then that flopped. She had

boon asked by Verges to go with no to lausanne to be the joint editor

of the odition in Inglish. She refused because sho vanted to stay la

Alglers, stay closo to hor Portuguese groups sho didn't think very nuch

of tit no simply bocause she had sot up the publication of the Inglish

odition harasheskassons, (which) nas supposad to have been done in London.

And then suddonly bobind their backs terges arranges it Suitzerland. The

British Connunist Party was very nuch upsot about the whole thing. They

had thought that they night bo able to have sonething to do with it,

that they night take it over. They had a wonan who was working for us

boro, nanod RosalindlAinallo, South Africal, a Buropeas voman from South

Africa, who obviously -The worke sor Each fum snakenates Nara

Agoncy here now-vould have been their agent. It was over going to bo

Incorporatod bere under her nano. Terges was going to so the junlor and

silont partner abroad. Obviously ho wasn't going along with that. This vas

the sunner of 83. At the tino of the broak with Alglers, she was working

as our correspondent here; (she) was extremaly upsot. She was holding

£1000 of tergos' noney. She didn't know which vay to go. Harbi cano hero

and talked to her. She whole thing fall through. Flnally sho chose the

Algerians and then they dumped her. And sho ras lorced to repay the

Money to verges that sho oned.

And so no then stayed on in Switzerland. No vere perfectly content

to stay in Suitzerland. Out of the: -•

Jorges wantod to nove to paris. Ho had llttlo justification for a move

to Paris. No was absolutely delighted when the Swiss espallad us. they

zave us thres nonths to got out. It really vasnst any expulsion. la continued

It (the sagazine). The oditor and publisher vare out of the country.

Paname

Andorssor had nothing to do with 1t. It vas still belag produced by

sonatas

Only the Boglish edition was banned. That was to prevent any further

malication lin switzerland, presunably)à that's way it bad to bo done

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t s iee arpiae to te endig

on mena..

-_----d.-.-

- SECOND SESSION

18 Fobraasy 1965

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is hea

sype pento up.)

18 Feb 1965 10 to 11:30

(tho nagaz1no.)

It vas assentially put together by Buropeans; The actual editor

balag•

Gorard Challon

RAllisions

TOTKA LOT & prOfeSBOS Boralhart

and sho got 1t fros lespero uho son

vere put out by Yargos.) IX started 3 Feb.

Those aro the ontiro issues that

lut leder than I thought.

last 18800,

* hero to cola deb do i lee to 0) soso to du to hur

Fice digo

of California.

Don't know what I'll got for this, sonething between

foll be fall set.

825 and $50.001 Verges doenn't even have this. There are three sots.

Yeng departed pisepted,

Andersson has ono, I havo two. I'a planning to keep ono.

This I got together in Lausanne.

tidit erentake i mailing, lict..

Delapt

I got then out of the binder.

AndorBson had a 1110, Do-dtot

I had to take Anderason with no to the bindor to get then out. He kept one.

Tat 1 moal 1sko to talk to you about (is future work paribily)

Them, te nostaly, citie le to do.)

Ther

I don't

tag-about Retolation.

"y: Does this page refes oly to the algiers

phace?

Do the 1 sissues refer only to 7 reh

ed, only to Eng, ed, or to tock?

What yeur ('Z Fal)

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But what thoy mant 18 a sort of autoblographical typo of article.

I dos't aind tIltinE about Revolutios. Here's the problos.. Once I volto

«..м..

about-- 1t'g all right for ne to urite about Revolution. Nobody will objoct

—n 1

about hoy far I go ond way es the other. That I, told you I could put 1n

the public press generally, excopt for this about the other group, but

1n toras of Rovolution itsell there's no objoction, Hoverer, 11 I havo to

80 any furtber than that, that seans that an far as Il's concerned sost of

At 180)

thesa pooplo will never touch so with a ten loot pole.

phat contacts I

havo, Jinto sone are note delicato than others- - but I fool that astor

this trlp they could bo liosix built up agalo, artor.

somehon f1anlag

BoNo neans Of intortlovaing people relatively regularly. So that I vast

to as$ you 18, 39

what sort of 1doas-11 Insay any, you haza in rolation

to no for futura things; vare you interested in my going, Investigating

naything tonthstood further for you of are you satisfled with what little

I know now. As I Bay, I don't think I know terribly much really, except

Iron other sources:!

Inaldental things which wight corroboreta what you know gecondish,

(in particular.)

1n toras O1 1011Ow1nE Up, 11 thero's anything} for Instance, I rould

suggest, the person to for this Algortan dildo or 1d Do FOr 80a

Casha

Arsault, stra

1 Frosch vriter who vas in Alglers

and/ worked on the

there

11rst lasue 0l Revolution Airicalno, not astor that,

near any sore,

split with vergesy How norks in the Ministry of

"to shed.

IptOrnatIOn and sta renains fairly Irlondly. On a PersOnal basis and

that's what you're

Tho could got a a 80od drau oration a ta 4o Aian as Moathite

socondly thorolst possibilIty that is night both try to cover the Second

Bandung coRreroscoe

Through who?)

Rati, the buropora roprasantative of the Atlentle Monthly, dad no

wight cover tha Second Bandung in Algiers together. That's in June 11 1t.

is 801ne to Do hold at all in a stret pressure ait oster pusiness wiggle

Ca' It you're interested in other things, you kaor, sow I have contacte

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a possibility - although it's a very alla one just over seross the street

bore.tiot the Indonesian press offico needs sonebody.. But I don't kno

These are little things.

PaD AIFICRO COnfIeBE- SOuth AfrICA,

mother-,. The peoplo of theratedents assons nestertaff, the PAC, they

cano to s00 se to knou 11 I could help thea a littlo boro la Loados, 1a

sotting up thair offices and handling their press campaigu. El colise duos

haven't real noney, andranc

130750d

(That vasn't so appealing on that ground);

so, that wasn't so appealias of that score. And then also, thay don't

hare i polley. Thoy'To sort of mavering botroon a polley unich moans tellia?

ona thing to the Congress for Cultural: Proadon and tolling another to.

€Do Chinese 888x 10 Poking, phica any pattonallet group has to do, obviously.

It'd extronely difficulta

to get any kiad of & straight ansver oven

loside the organizatios. and thoy are golng through a porlod or sooreralza-

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tion, aftor sons highly scandalous, not political olfonso, but just plala

alsappropriation of lunds, the usual thing that happons in many, many

African Organizations, St'& lacrodiblo (laughs).

But I think the pooplo

here in Londos, at loast on the surface, are sonovhat nore honest.

(Basically, you're not interested por 80, 1n staying in the sane a1liou.),

No, n0. But Il l'a not interested pOT 1O, "Ito Bay, la bacoalng a

sort of professional anti-communist. That trashamu 18n'tom

(Not osther way- althor a professional ant1-cosunlat of a prOfessiOnal

roTolutionlet-)

(laughs) No, no.

ya No. The tro caro

rsf a. Frankly,

• I'do havo a 1o0l1n8, you

knon I 1001 tory bad about salaay s0n001e y

11ko Walter Bow;

I know his problems. Oaly

I don't know how the hell to solve then and what interestine 1s to soo

a azalne 1t 18 alvays a probloi what its the Us governsiont do -uhat

0112 Perpoo 1o that they're got la Falter 80-- - -o to e cortela

astont l' cortain 1t vas 8l provocation, though Halter was falo for anythlas,

Ok you had gone to him and proposed to shoot the presidont, he would have

suld yosed toll, do would have thought about it anyway, and probably

I rould have agroed, to rould probably suggest that you'd taleto rint

OUtha President and the supreme Court along with uith'1t, you knor.. And he's not

u11d. Io'", very sensiblo, sodersto boy, except that he has such a

1t's not a chip on his shoulder, he's got hall of the lorest, a rodrood on

he comes 1ros

his shoulder. He cores iron, the papodBaY Philadelphla; he doesn't,

ho comos iron Candos, New Jersey, I reneaber when he vas playing jazz as

•Id spot sin son carous thie solor so the poparteent of Astieulo

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I told you about, sats lasfard.. He was a very good irload of his as voll.

DOOr TRuM Do must be very nervous, don thoro lo Asticulero.

bocauso he's knous no personally, he's known valtor personally.

They'll think bo had sond very atrange trionds.

Anyay, l's certainly = you askod no for soze information which

I'a perioctly willlng. to give you. And 11 you had coso along a long tino

ago and asked, in faris, I probably would have given the sane information.

Tho point vas that nobody seemed to vant to koon. I vas talking to an

AmerICRs DOWSRAD-- I viRs wasn't running around peddliag laloraRtion,

ostbor - but I talked to pooplo, somotines sayias just the opposito of

what f vorges was Bayln8. He neyer really protosted too such about this.

so protondod that that ho was dologies lalily on the lovel but 1tivas"

salrly obvious that it wasn't. Anyway, I- obat I vant to kaco, 11 possiblo,

In a relatively short pertod of theY roto to upay sind that

I'= 801n8 to do. I don't know hon I's 801n8 to do anything, in fact, n

/Get I do not intend, oron 805 econoale seasons, to do

something which I thiak is absolutely disuonest, lo the sense of vritiag

n0os for-s puples

as articlo, 1l Bondone asked no to vilte an articlo about Communist

attractions for Airlean studente lepranco la fact to communist Party

has vory lsttte sita

sundantor Alrican students In Pranco. It's just tho

opposite. Tha B-say -

tho 22850c1a610n 80r African students,

1s vory resentlul of what they

consider---- and they would only

lovo to be anticod and woood. But tas this Anerican had fast an 1dos

whieh vas based logo, on his, ova mythology actually, of beautiful Preach

ubito 815la boing sent to lmo thoso siaplo-ainded boys. In actual fact

rite icec

that's not truo at all. I'm perfoctly voll avaro that pooplo havo vritten

"I articles which boar no rolation to reality a they think, ad what the

holl, they want this sort of tlid, they pay for 1t. The leader's Digest

ot ono tino vas a rogular sarket for that sort of thing.

65

But what's the polat. It lon't true and even though it might fit lon't

Let maris

ei some in billi.

oron g00d propaganda, 1a the lone run, tESs i titillation insas valuo,

espocially the racial thing with sox throwa 1n- -

6 (What about your pilo?);

Toll, sy 8110, doesn't knory - 11r8t os all, she knousjonly onco that

I tag soolas you, and she would highly disapprove of Its Hot because

I Milo 18 i- has ever been a moaber of no pity, actuanger

Cosmunist party! It'd

Do Just that she would fool that that mould bo a highly

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She cut oe and alli

jus;

Sho can accopt that.

I don't too any reason sot to.

¿The fact 18, the season no baro our financial problen, to a cortain extent,

15, because her PaRily 18 by DO BORDE POOr/ ly brosbes-1o-107, uho kar

carriod us for sontbè,, bad to poy rent, right thie rook, and ahe hao

preetically told bin us d'an't taut any antay, do nou, thoro I Do: 190

Knox. Tuis has caured I respect l knot what her probles lam very

often childron that come fron nary wealthy hosas - sot har-frally=-

Sho comes fron the poorest branch of her Ismily, which le quite realthy

1a thl8 Country. It's an AnglO-JOrIsh faBily,, has a sOrt Of MOnopOly On

kosher food, propared kosher food here, sort 01 11k0 & KaalscherItZ Operatlon-

or rackets

Guo of the relativos 18 → they'ro all la business.

No:. 10.32000

tos brother, one brother, 1s constantly having business 1

failures.

recorder, but that's just floppod too. The other brothery 1o a

chartored accountant. Ho has his on firap in the Clts, milot doos

quito yoll. Ho's mersled.

She sats alOng voTy poorlynith than. And uhile I vas andy, unfortunataly

relations doterlorated to such a point that I dimelis

= don't knot quito

only thing sho's not happy about is the salary but she likes the job. -

It's not BoTioUs, Tho fadonosteds

at, d41s

pand sost of the thee telling torn fis

I teeth - the zor

roee.fi1.l8.000-70r8.

Eir a firk it or

22200.

aunt it fell tako a Job this thing In the Indonesian Embassy The id rail

li,- practicaliya a stato of ver rita indonesia, Although sy vito 1a Beelled

that doesn't givo no as automatle right to stay 1a Ingland, not that l'=

torribly (eager) -.

SEa Inglead. I rould much rather

Do sono place on the Coatinent. I rould such rather, for tastasco..

tako a j00 with some sort of a hellaw —=- Sobrioualy that's

out of the question, I could novor got a security cloaranco, but I think

a Job with sons sort of IsterDatIOnal OrganIzatIon, Un, La Paris, RODs,

OT GoDora, which would bo fOr no, Information= l'a bo quito happy as

that. As 1OI VOTKIDE fOT An AMATICAS OUt!It, I CAB'E Ane Much pOssibllIty

althor, except this i sort of froo lanca business, which could perhapa

Do oxtondode That I roald cortainly 11k0, bat 11, la procerious-

whoa, you bayo-kids, and thon an rhat I 1001 potty 201ld countreate an

beyone day at bes, 3000 allos of vator la borros...

Soakes il uneiniai. l

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rE,"

(ot so 800 that I can find OUt., 8002 28 1 CAD... 200

quort10n8 nad ancrora, Tho lavited Verson to Algorla 1a 63))

Ala dIda't 80 to AlgarIa 1a 83. Io vent to ChIne. Ho vas alroady ia

Algiors. Ho vas 11 AlgIoTE Iron the fast polnt ol Independenco, that vas

with the clandestine group, that 18,

10 July 01 82. And Torges aspired those a clasdast1001y - thRt-170, 1 Bas

Bolla, Enidor, Bltat, I suppose 1a October of Moonber of 82. He vas invited

to China 1n March of 1963.

25 -20

The 11rst. tao ho vent as the Director of Revolutlos Alrichine and

Do sa ment nir, Éjoria faraui, tha heroino olthe Algoriao Mas,

(799162

and sized

an anornous anouat of publicity la tho Chinaso press illS vas

nora had boen..

aron to bor. Toot in fact hact-beatento a book about bar, She ves rol

know for hor part 1n the Algerian vas snortia and la this 18 hou ho 1ot

the Intorviou

Do vas an official Algorian ropresentativo, the Director of publications

sponsorad by the Political Bureau of the Til, and, I thiak it was The

COmmIttoo ER:01) POTOlga ROlatIOns, soRothiDE Ilke that that bandled

the v1a1t.

(Obos did ho marry Djanila)) in polericas

Nobody knows. Modoly knows whether they are roally sarriod, slar this

-pooplo that ho has a

MATTOZONS AASTIREONO KION hO MAS CORveStod tO IslaN. DUFing the vas, the

Blatapesda Algerial Tes, Do used codo RaMo/ KANSOUR lOT biE COntacte

withis tha Front. Alter ho caro to Alzerla, apparently ho boceno a sosles.

and bocase J. H. VergeS, JACQueS HARBOUr VOSgeS. HON LA DeCORAS MaRSOUT

vorgos, thes 1t becores 1. la (recitrian, to The seagagine frie)

((mos ho rost to China, .))

Hore, is back alrondy. It must be about the fith of karch. It must bo,

bocause he and Djanile and ay vile and I and our childres left Algarla

On the sano plaDo 10r Parlo thon Tô loIt Alglossy dolialtitaly, MuR Lo

CbRa8118 plazas 18 Parla Sor Moacão dad's poles a day 0s so latos to cosene..

(Shockly, on nano) 1"Al8. J. M. all the nay Ebrough, 1840-000-0027 08-180

The dio lot out do to sena leiled to

i. protect

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put

alasoll. Bo tall Djaalla along vith tota -

ROC B1M8015, 28 &

Constó do Directionai

→ THunDer I and 3 80 2ould

protoct bia fron the wrath of Bon Bolly but it didn'& nork.

It wust bavo happenod in the month right aftor indepondence. That's

Fat I 1b15t. 19 To dos sto-bed boer bold do prison, 1a Pranco, Jabo'd

been sentencod to death and he had von hor - voll, ho dida't win anything

In the course of this

but he managed to koop hor trou belns execured, #e bocano extronaly

close tober.

not only to sexual fito, And thia 1e very atrango, his sorual

I don't know 1f bo has ono,

1110./, He bas & Fresch allo and the Frosch ulfo has a child, a bay about

apparently

18-14 Joars old and he st1ll 18 topptia

martiad to the French vito.

By becoalag a Moslon ho could take a socond vito.

(D1d ho I1To with hora With Djantla Bit 1. 1 4))

• In Algeria

19597497430

sho comes to paris she stays with hin and actually they gleep in the

(So 1t's sore than (platonic.)

Base bodo, Jut I dont think that- - 1t'8 a sort of - a rory curlous

solation It toons to no.

(IS thos sero sarrlod, they voro married when they vent to China),

Tos. I don't know about how the Chinese netsadad it. They never reforme

to ber

as his vile. But that 18 done vory Ofton dira si arde 1.14)

Ho 1s tory closo to hor lantly, hor brothers. One 18 1a Caschoslovakia,

tha othor ono vas till 1a LoRingTad, I think, go1s8 to school. And it mas

Targos tho asTangod fOr translOrs of Money. Her unclo 1s bead of the

Ian11y. For Iatbor 18 a terriblo alcoholle and skirt chaser pho has no

Ho and his sifo bad a divorco!

respect Iroa bia Children,, The lather cano to 1, parla and Lausanne on o

and causod un a frost doel of dilliculty (larshirs) i dayray, TerEos

has Janlly connoctions there. This narriage, that me supposed to nave

Nobody knong.

taxon placo, tho san 1t I don't knoW. Bron the lather doors't know.

Ho sald "Noll, 11 sho's narrlod to his, why doesn't she say 1t. t

Day doesn't sho tell oves no."

Ho vas sever really accepted as a Mosion 1s Alglera. Pooplo thought,

sou knox, you don"t tako a nan 8 alTaineR who lo a Communlat of

OTer— as er-Connunlot, of his kind, ho vasa't a senber of the Connualst

party und convort bla lato a Moslen juat like that, dad jot there aro

cortain. theractoristics of his behavior uhich are vory strango to esplals.

Ona rould say ho did 11 105 expediency, 11ke 801a8 sl0n8 v1th Ranades, 105

lastanco, this 18 by, so noRDs pleasant, 188t128- And ores 1n Parls, stra

Do vould save, sure a Renades, do used to delax, it Father heartly,

I'm told. No so 101805 touches any kind 01 alcohol plad this ho does

all tha tine, thother there sta Algorlans around or not.

idea sai

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optics,

And ble sifar riparis perspotivo conard io digeriando ho vas alvaye

Falking 0l 80128 back to A18ior8, 801n8 to ahoat esalinaron Corard e Challona

just bacausa Chalion had fusa doublo-crossed hin with the stall. He

thought, well, Blaco I have these Buropoana thoy von't be ablo to take

over the sagazine, so quieityti!" He'a-yory clover. He surrounde

hinsols vita poopla tho aro 1a a roakos poaition thas bo. Kizrs,

esa la other mordo, e si, diti

defense.

-

haro to ba vory strong villed.

placo 1n Algoria,

other side, i

*But Challos sado a doal with the; Bor Bolla peoplo and kept the entiro

Btaff on.

((Revolution 1n Suitz" or Pa ria))

onco ho sar that tho old chargos against bin on account os tha

"princess

Algorian Nar rould not bef that the French Government had forgotten all

--th10,: that the Ministry of Justico had 10 teleta Intention Ol prosecutlegsi

sot only bia, but Prasia Fasci,

collo'ite

fiasone

,I was sitting thoro. Ho was under

sentanco of death. And Jean

-- , no one had aver botberad. thess.

No claized hó bad costact olta sonobbe in Pru, dains affine

He had- wall the only person tho norked with the magazine vas sonobody

1n the Ministry of Fianco ho uritos under the nano of Jalot. He does

the econonic soction. I lorget his real nano-- maybo Rogot. Ho handlod

Coranon Marikot thiage That's may bio neitiele ad sor perolution

always deal with the Common Market. Haybo he writes one paper for the

Ministry and another for Revolution.

(Hon long did datay la suitzz laud))

Feraland;

No nover roally stayed in j'ht all. Ho just cana through there and

stayed & leu days, thomo. And ha vas travellng on an Algerian diploratic

passport. Ho Ast1ll batxa has 0nd. I don't knon hou ho vent to japaso,

bocause ha had been very reluctant to roply to the denand- the request,

for ronewal of his ordimry Prench passport. It nas quito possiblo to

bare dual nationality-French-Alslers. I don't know whather the

bol a norael Alglorias passport, that ho only had e diplonatic ono,

which should, I think, bave been cancelled once he ceased to baro any

thias to do with the governent, centrantinattet so ha didn't..vant to traval

on 1t, alto vantod to coRa to LondOs OR BoToral occasione but do dida't

daro to try his Algerian passporta a lo could traval arouad such of

Wostorn Suropo with hia Ofpfred Frosch presport. Nost SorOpORa pResporto

ana annaldatar dellA pna fiua vaoto oftar tha dato ne annirottan

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will take an axpired passport u

In connos karkot countries,. _up to fire yours.

Hon hu got to Japan I don't knon. Ho nay have finally applied 105

& French passport. I thought that ho st1ll nanted to aslesathe

maintain the ilctlon of his Algorlan natlonality, by not milag anj

roquast 1os Franchild japan ho vas called the Dolerato 1500 ela Veer!

and no santion was nade of Ravolution. There has nover been, to the

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best of my knowledge and the knoulodgo of Andersson any montion 1n

whatsoever

any Chinose publicationel-thereas of Revolution, and they have mentioned

all sorts of too-bit publications that they have financed lock, stock

na barrol. And yot the chineso dia purchaso 1t. I understand they de

longer

ilduratan had contact

not purchase it any mesa. And according to AnderssOn uho herbaliock

antant botroon the Chinose/Jabassy- and Verges 1n Paris had eared.

(CUben))

As of laBt month.

(loon thoy ars-coased purchasing),

According to Andorsson. aslexitricke

¡ He saya ho hag board lt Iron

other pooplo-Ho doesn't know from Chinose sources. He did toll, the truth (ras)

1s Berno, I had writton a letter to the China Quarterly about the articlo

=

by

Fests on Vorges, roluting what Fefte, Bald, Asking what ho thought

of that. And ho replied that they had no objection but they thought 1t was

about tine that sonebody ended the llctlos... that they thought Revolution

vas extronely embarrassing to then.

# (How long did the sne

Ians" edition stay vith Andersson)

"lang edition ras produced in Suitz for tha first Dil year,

was introduced to Vorges by Andersson. AnderBson paid him and so forth.

Bat AnderBSOn dida't have any official connection with Royolution ee won:

Of Nor'"I think, Deconber, of 63. I roat bad and forth and Strolkog, too

did the layout and art nork, wher went back and forth to lausanne and saw

Gonguls/araresosthes, 1r0n

But onco I loft Paris, the

bank account was closed dorn - A 1 nokh, shortly thereaster, by dietl

who cana in bohind Andereson's back and closed the accounty at the

Union des Banques Sulasa. •

(That anded the Sties production),

No, the Smiss production continued, but Anderssos had nothing to do

with 1t fros that polat. the trolre issues of that your vore printed there.

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to sopresents sothing.

He's & sort of hopoloss person. She's a rory

dynaNie roman. Verges clalaad that she had Decone a police 1alOROSA 108

tha Algorlaa pold o, and that fitz abe talkin to very opposito troupe

occasionally, sharkaliod to Hamanl of the Salana Eliants party 18 AlgiorA,

But she no longer has anything to do vith Rovolutios Alsicalne. "dos'e

kaar shet sho to dotag. She routtalt have anything to do vith Yorgos after

tho moment that sho refusad to 80 to LausanDo, You soo, baras

there

Why did she refuse to 80? Noll, she couldn't leave Carlosy by binsole.

God knora what sould happos to hla. Secondly, she bedato vestod to be

Att the lió 1a Aglers. She vasat localso interested la runninE a

magaziao la Suitzerlaad, the nagazinglatorost nas secondary to her.

a thoro vas another portauso sparkins person la dietora. That ver

si tride

& Man by the saga o1, BIAgARIA. BIAgARIA I8 a GORR a/GORR VLO 12S LOBE D1&

roason 10r beingrith

"the end of the Portuguese

colonial rule la Co2, ho

should have gone h

& back! But sula ha had boen & Goan revolutionary

• had.

with the portuguese opposition. for YORre ho hag, boon 19 Rabat booked up to

¿no, as that liao it vas tho CONCR, Conserenco lie viétini Metronaliaro

dos Colonies portuguese, uhleh grouped torother thrilliono hat late in t,

cano to bo the Palimo and the KPLA. It vas part of the Lard lino countrioo

There was another one elsewhere which was soft 11n0. Braganza vas also

Rayolution Africalso fri

sort of adviser to the nagazino, *al questions of India and so on. He stajod

on and worked vith Moharned Harbi and came to London.

8(01d ho baro anything to do with Patricia Mcgowan))

YoB. They had been together in Rabat.

((DId ho havo anything to do with Carlos)

Yes. It's all the sano croud. But Carlos vas valting for destiny to

call hin and Braganza had already lost his chance. The Indians had got 1n.

Thoy'd llberated Gos, so what next, you know. Go back to India. He obviously

valuta be spain de 210

Fags't 801n8 to 80 back .le vas l1uin8 too nell, as 1t vas. And la Goa,

sobody know his 1a Go2. Ho vas a Goaa educatad 1n Portugal. One of these

Apooplo r92t1T without a real natlonal identity. Ho knon that ho wasn't

Portuguese and had this feeling of allenation Iron Portugal, uhich sado

Aim I1ko nostios the colonialiff students thoro-- the IPLA really startod

1n Portugal- sado hin an oppositionist. He dida't have enoughly roots ulth

¿ho honoland. So ha's Junt sort dos floating around, lll8 uilo 18 & school

teacher. He speaks excellent french. Ho nas norking for Revolution

AIFICa1De. I don't kRoM 11 ho st1ll 18. I'a certala ho'll find something

to do. He'1l sover go back to Goa.

trager Ma

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(17618 polate up the noad for a continuine rovolution, phon the rovolution

1e completad))

Yos. You don't have jobs unloss you're in the governont. And that's

a buronucrat 1n Rabat and other places.

ARCgOWAI;

That I don't know. I don't kaor hou ho gutsketestantrutt hor la

• I lungine he not her;

tho bogtaalass ankarty In Rabat.

He used to go to Morocco quito olton

and had contact vith all the serican, ¡lo'raco people there. I suspect

that's moro ho not her.

(Hat mach stare those guys)

Kon you'ro got Harbl. Ho mas salado, the person uho replaced vorgos.

Ho's out son, but so,?

but on other T'a told by Anderason, to tennes

has h13

oar to the ground in helors se roll al 1n sultzerlande that Harble

15, la a VOTy good pOBitIon. He 18 ODe O1 the loading advisors to Bos Bolla,

ropresents the loft positios. He's a Trotskylst, Of & Trotskylst Byapathlear

Mithout any Joral OrganIzatiORal t1o0. do 1a PeTy close to the Pablo Mij"

That's Michol falot! so's pablo, sna lão could'at baro ovarlooked bla,

ho's a Joature 01 Algiers 1150. Ho played an extremoly importát rolo 18

tha 285ar1as sef0ra, 19, the typo of agrarian refora that vas gole to be

carried out. Ho cano dons on the Yugoslar nodel, that 18 collectives unica

aro privatoly ovned by the collectives and rua on profit model, that l6 in a

des Blens Vacants

Harbin they vero all laaido 01 this Buroau dealitoe

ahich/becane the Bureau of the Sociallet Sector. I onco did da articlo 105

the Koathly Rovier, "S I knomall about hor it operated. That really

happosed vas that the Kuropeans: fled Just beforeh Just alter Independence,

a fame wel deald havo, considering what they bad done, ant to pexpocted

a blood bath. The blood bath sover took place. It vas sa lacredible o

Thet mas ond of tha nost Incrodible thingo to no 19 Algorla vas that the

Algorians dida't -

(Bocause the storlos voro horrifying. You know what happenod. a sonth or so

bososa, thayer, just shootlas everybody on the streat, tryies to prorato

thes, and the diaciplise of the Silk PIN vas Incredible, Robody mould

Te genetiparous

shoot back, no natter what they did. So they, fled and they loft all ther

CDOSO IRIES.

'er or-"it ten à quastion of ploughies and coodide. There

1e only a cortala tino of your that you beré to do this, Thie bad to do

organized and it was organized almost spontandously locally, Ald-ther

fact. They wast

sone gort of a socialist systen of agricultera. They

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dido't know bou and the 1oetitutlonal1z1ag of 1t vas really directed by

theso TrotEkyletO. Thore vau pablo, Harbl, a Pronch LaWYer Daned Matthlou

Iron Grenoblo who had boon involved with the fLN, and be bagano sort of

logal adviser of Blons Vacanta, which nas vaguely under the jurisdiction of

tho Ministry of Agriculture which nas at that time under Onar Usgas

Who 18 son Minister of State, and Director of Rovoluti-a Alricalso =:

present. He replaced Harbi.

Harbl 18 deeply resented by the army alemonts which are pro-boy

Slyptias. Homever, the ArMy, despita 1t8 soliglous Inclinatlog, had

1t8 soc1al1st blas and nould like to see sore contralizatios, norepos an

Egyptian nodel. In other vords, they rould Ilke to see much nore control

Iron the contor than this confused type of reglonal or local control.

They So0l that in the long run the bulness of the private collective

Ovnership 18 8019g-to cafuse trouble.

It's sued all right 11 lt 1s a rich

42xesy 4har7

oBo, but what happens 13/flads a poor one? You don't spost, prollt, you

split a dolicia, Obviously, according to the Yugoslar model, the stato

Intervones. The State taxes the rich ond, and then distributes subsidies

to the poor ones, but this a debate that 18 at1ll going on 18 Algoria, wee

Carltaly enough these trotekyints have been intontact, very close contact,

with the Yugoslavs. As you rocall, the campalgn, the so-called campagne

do labour, the ploughine, vas Bada poolblo only she delivery a sta

/dicitin ditrarent,

ragonlar tractors which turned out to the great deception, of sore of the

a

Algerians not to be Yugeslar but to bo American tigctors put together

1a Tugoslavial undor licenso.

((1h18 18 gotting us a little bit les aldold))

In18 18 larbl and this Ia the group. iarbIrepresents the

loading

wIthin the FLi

spokesues of this sort of Trotskyist-leaning

Loit group, and his post 1a

still very high, even though he 18 so longer Director.

(When was he dropped)

I think last summer. Is not certain. With danka it has becone such

- the Muord Sociallan appears in Arable because 1t

10 1olt that SociallEn 1n French doesn't havo the sano seaniag as 1t has

represents the very nuddled hind

that: Takan has. de de very auch split bairoos he rolla/clisations.

Uszaa 18 & full nenber of the Connualat party of Algoria but

2o 101t 10xdatonallat reason whea they relusod to sapport the roballlos, and

Jolned the PII. His Milo 1s supposed to bo laraticallas roliglus and bas

ado bla moro soligious than do 1as. •

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{Curious aix-up- - this religion and politiea.}

VReturalas to our firat subject, Strolko!?, Is bo a practicles de7?))

NO.

(Just an athale Jen))

Тов.

(Noxt on the 11st boro 18 Robert Mlllians}, Ubcover mado this up

calls him an American In Peklng.)

But «bars nes be som

Ho's 10 Havana,, Fo nas 1n Poking recently and ho may st1ll be there,

por that natter. Ho vont on a second trip to the Par Bast, 14 to vas 1a

oso of the countries that had a colobratios. I thlak ho vas 1a Haro1, 11

Ils not mistakos. Ho vas la Asia. Ho say still ba thoro.

Robort M1111ans 18 & Negro, former Presidont of the Union County

Horth Carolina branch of the NAACP, UhO had ' boll of a battle on hielani.

hande agalaat the local tuklur klan and discovered that the best way to

dont with the nuklux klanvas to shoot back at than. And it worked. They

nover had been it, thakaste fa that part of the south, anyway, the suall

towns of the South.

I sostleson's

tomatata. Up until recently there's been sort of/Eupid agreement 1a

the south that the Nogso clull rights groups rould go into the big cities,

where they would bo reasonably protected. But they had to leave thera

auck,

#11-1ang

tural arors alone becauso they could't expect es duttamós course, irs a

there 18 no doubt,

Eo groat embarrassuent to everybody, taksotter

and they vere on his back. He got no yapathy fron thi/lordership. 5s

Bo first cano to

186E Ellagal national prominenco altor a case ol obne la injustico moro

"some local

= th10e man bay done somethias to a Negro monan and lazjury had throwa 1t

our 49 oll 11 to can't set justico in the courta vo'11 have to tato

justice in our own hands." in dant witnes idles. But ovon the fact that

loadors vory upset. Ho use insadiataly,

particularly the Trotskyits,

not the Cormunists, cane 1s, and tried to

tato bla over. They dad puttie support. There had been a cage belore,

another case, locally callod the Kissing fase. To NogTo boys, you nay have

hoard of 1t, vero sentenced to indolinito terms in prison for having kissed

a 81X-y025-01d uhito girl. Ho vas involvedin that and arala, 1t vas the

trotskyltes who cane to his supporteei

Like with other laboral groups.

In toras of organizational support it was tho Trotskyites. I board of hin

at the tino I was In CBS and I thought that it nas very understandable and

sont bia a soRBase of support. I not his at the tine of the dinco conlorance

1a Xon York 1n 1959/ and when the FPCC vas forned ho was anong the eight

"Mesrods who vere anong the 30 founding nembers, to the Broat shock os i

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1. V90

Of tha Communist Pasty Of the Valted States, alch did not particularly

approvo of soolag the tro issues alzed, Cuba and In Nogroos.

N1ll1ans, TOry rolatilo, a very deteralled person, on a local lavol,

has so ability matsoner on a national jhe levol. He has bocode a syabol

now to Negro youth in particular, as a legro uho 18 not an dacio tos, uha

0111 I18he, Pete to kner Eft what was ellas lo the sunrat of ale

Dachapa de us balacao soon Oor1oua1 yas, ombarrassment, lor the

national executivo of the NAACP, embarrassnent for the Justico Department,

and soro than Mil onbarrassrents Terry Sanlord, who vas the Gorernor, and who-

Janet told hia, "I wish you voro doad, Parlod. " Disl Mnally, by One

of thesa flukos of late, there vas

glomonstration over a animalat pool.

Toes" did E wass to intograto the 2001. They just vanted to aria la 18.

But the local people sald they. didn't, mant to do that. because thay rould ..

have to change the natos, and it mould take too much tino to chango the

vator iltor Negroes evan in the vater. so they had some denonntrationi."

Willlans was alnost nurdered fin one of these occasions. The denoutrations

were sotting protty violent. And then Xine sent 1n some Preedoa Riders tho

voro golng to shoy they hou non-violenco sittits was going to nork 1a this

tova. Thoy docided to nako as examplo. So Millians said,

"I'= 801nE to got

out of this. I don't want anything to do with your son-violence. But

you go ahoad and I'll see what happens."

( even

Toll the non-violent demonstratios bocanejnoro violento there vero

peOple shOt?. TheIe vero arrests. There Mas an Eagliah gIrl uho son 11guros

hero la the British Trotstyist padty, uho was over there. People vero conlag

Трека inere

MIron all over,, reporte in the Buropean press, -The rumur vent around -

11111ans now had nothing to do vith this, io vas just sort of staying there

saying well you seo where non-violence gots you. but thare vas a report

that they were going to lynch they people who had boon arrested. As offos

happens 11 Alessas this typo of thine the legroos and unitos, lo outsido voltas

who toro Involved, soally cano in 10T & bill 01 a boating, and de la the

Pbllado1ph18, MIssiseippi, caso, they, have been killod. Milllane, vas soro

os Joss a victia of the noble the Nesto commually ibich sald "ro' ya got to.

do somathies, No'ra got to free these people, fot then out of jall. "

So bad aras, lacludies esto nachina guns, which had beon purchased 1a

How forky and sont donn there. They didn't use then beckuse they got scarod,

Jut they had ares. The cosmuntly vas armed. The poople, out is the street.

1a IrOnt of ble house, whos a car vith a ubito couplo, case dora tate road,

It was surrounded and thifted told to got out. The croud ranted to strlas

then up right toere. t

¿ Tils' san cano fron a dolphbories

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:1.÷

The?

tows, claimed, had loattheir way.

1008:398.6a

Tboy said, 'no youlro a neaber of the

Jan 19 thie town. They tanted to kill diny or bold bin as bostage.

M1lllans sald,

"Bring these people in my house and you know I ron't let

then go!' He called the Sheriff fand said, "Jook, I have theso poople horo

and my people are very upset and I want you to know that I don't want

an$thing # to happos to our peoplo that you have in the ja11. "'/Ito

Sheriff Innediately called the National Guard, Stato Troopers and that

-felipe.

sot. They, couldn't hold out very long, Hilllans escaped. Jullan Mayflold

• well known

vas thero!' a¡OBTO vriter whO nou lives 1a CheRa as a rosult of this.

& Negr voma IrOn New York who was there

Bita Hallory, abo was later artested and convicted and sestenced to

Сада the сяве 18 од аррез! доч.

6 years in prison fO5 dust kidnapping( Shastaxenrakllsion, J71ll1aas va

Me jod acrosa the Valted States/as koor vaguely abore ho was, bet

kopt very carefully by Cubans and Dỹ Megro groups 1n contact t

From Canada he vas 11ova by privato plano sly say.

120 42000

Castro blaself, to Havana, thoo he lý son.

Oa two occasions the FBl came to no asking for information about

W1111ams, and I dana sure vaan't 80128 to 81ro any _tentitude of what 1

know. To had trlod to got In touch with Bobby Kennody himsell. I had

sont Itas tolograns. I even tried to got a telophone call in. Because I

know what was going to happen on this thing,, to got sone kind of Federal

Intervention. mum It was one of those sickening things-5iu

They wanted him out of the ray, sven thermal they came to ne later-

tuo of the agents came to the PPCC olfico In New York, They sald,"He have

500 Agents. To'1l got him. Ho'll nover sot anay!' vell, ho vas away at

that thas polnt. His aunt dlod sadlisey in Nor York around that timo.

They went to the luneral parlor where the body vas and put a vanted e

for N1ll12aS,

and stood thora_

Apostoron the colin to see 11 he would coad. Really, they should have

beas thrown satanas their boads, Irankly. II it hada't boos Negroes I'S

certain they would never have done that sort of thing. The trouble vaga

"pest'" Aayhou, as it'18, N11lians is not a Concunist, ha's nót a

the trouble ig— the whole attlaude.,

attends n

who's just had enough. Roally, you

TrosAkyIto. Ho's a SorRos MarIo, And ho's turned into a Aworld-ude ilfure

Knot. And son he has turned into a vorldi nide ligure becauso peoplo 11ke

Bobby Kennedy and others could bot ju. f/ry to see what could be done about

aoverybody."

Ypíoll, that's too bad, Just 11ko the case of thete boys, maltor Bon, and

so 0s. And they're not the only ones. ted. for every Malter Bor there

must be at loast & hundred, I aust say, I rould no nore want to 11vo 11

¡the States now — you're going to really see sonating. I don't really

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Too-too: 44160400-70500015 200 coplos initia, suck

It nas at111 priatod unt11 No. 13, tbo-ond-0f-tho-yoar -the ond 0f that

tArat your, tho trorfolanues pore printed there. The Itellia lanue dro

-only 200, or 366 copios naxinun. 1)

It vas never distributed.

I 8t111 have somo. Those

are the ones i sold lor $10.00 a book. tha Anorican lIbrarios aro desporato

to completo thair sota. It nas nover distributed becauso vergos hado't

pald apagula the sonoy that he promised and t, üh11

¡ 8, úbllo the coplos vero

_ATTangOront of the financial busins, Podoral Council

alttng thero valting for 8oad/ other finanolal arrangerent the 30188/91nally

took action and selzed then. Actually the seizure vas nore "platonie"

""ілад

anythlag.

I understand le

but they just wanted to tun sald you can't sand out

- Ganguts had

of every labue.

so copies, at orost-soon the wa had saltad avay, Ho knoT do Ould doll

I think ho could soll then in the Statos

=.univeraity librarlos, you snot,

american librerlay are extremelial la political ision. ferolution

It cano Iron the American prOsB, not the fresch press, or the Britieh

87088, duo sorican pross. It vas really Sorturtous but 1 very perinaliste

that you can't blane then - sening this nove to paris, a not nagazido

Set vita a pro-chloose Iino malch roally auntia pro-chiroso lino,

coming out at the Bano tiao as PrOnCA reCOgaItIOn Of Chine, SEO ObriOusly

you writo thinge about a neu trentiged chature ural arted i the chinese

hand that was what

top sun 1a surope, and chia chas ind the otherma de bad tarea articion,

addross 1n. Right trashantiate then the letters

the subscriptlons

All sorts of people wantod thas.

Cano 1n. Iat+0441001

A subscription agoncy in the daltod s"ates

Bay it, and and started taking ordors frOn

university llbraries. Hastts

copies, I think.

a tho Stato Departzont took 20 moraneepes.

In tobyo.

Tha Congrbss 10r Cultural Froadon had oven sore then that. They had a

11Et O1 OTOTY One O1 theis COrTospondents, Magazines, otc. RYOryOne got

0no. Ip so to nore doing roll. And ho could have, actually, on the Bagliah

editor, whichhad a such lover cost thas the others, he could bare broken

oron. He would soy baro ando anythine,

/ cuisner). )

Tie could never hare balanced the budget uithout a bolty subaldy fron

(Isono colleaguas on the oditorial stall);

Il jouiro boon 1011oning Revolution since, You, soo

C'au. oach wonth,, oach

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*

DAN.

p?..

Ho's got Carlos -

• Ho's supposed to bo fron spain.

Thia vas a nano nedo up by delició to raplaco Valdos. Haldos vas

actually a persos; uho =ã a Spanish solentlat, chonlot, sho vorke 1os

the CARS, Tho Contre Nationalo do Resedato Sclontlligue, 10 Parlo.

Ho did vrito the articles on Spain under

Buen's suporv1810n with atroDe

striat rowriting. And ble roal sano lo Lopez, I I sao him, life 81r8t

His addregs...

n38010.n

In Bo-19 tha porson tho ho 18 now vandering about tory much at

odds, but he 18 stilllary noll infordad about the spanish situation. I

think that 11 approachod 1n the pooper Lashlon, y he might be z

81935055

w11ling to talk.

How old cuta i

23225462898444540913

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14572

In his lato thirtlos. I had no trouble talking uith hia, lo 1s very

bitter. (why))

He was expolled tron the Prolotarlo group which he bad

sounded,

¿noro or loss rolegated. He 1an't roally nado up for practical

...

politics and ho six mattor of prido, etc. but he keops his hand 1n. Ho.

sald ho vantod to go soo Grippa, but ho dida't have nuch idor of doing 14

He le the one rhotold no about what ras golds on in the spanish froup.

I could hexa potton more the had no idea thas s was puping him for

tax He seemed to be approachable, filling to talk about tho

altetudon. He can locture for hours. He ls the professorial typo,

Hot tor the rough and tuable or partient pollties. Ho was uned by shoan.

(What caused his rupture with group))

diah't get the exact story.

Proletario. They put out a four-

theory iritton by laldos

But vas rovritten by Kirin cita vas 1a contact vith the sombers of

the group and at one time valdes and his wife vore actually told that they

Toro golog to edit Recolution, Spanlal odition; Thail ves solas to Do publieed

In turope. By the vay the

Fidelista somewenh,

and is putting direce inhardy. I thinks.

zad ubich 1s quito pro-chineso

AtiFirE RA Thay had quito a scandal

about misappropriation ol funds. Apparently the Chisesa vero 81ving thes

It fifteen thousand, trenty-five thousand and twenty thousand, and tes

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Sald to hava coples 1u Brussels. I baven'? sool. Brussels 18 used an !

Abadquartors 107 REE BureTo. Peoplo 80128 through esther to Calaa

or toxer forth Vietnam tarouga there.

sane as revolution in France, but and they would say, vell, - they wanted

the editorial vors done in Par18, which he voule finance, and they wouls

finance all of the production side.

"it ho vas unable to pay thems for

even the editorial thing, so they said they would do all ar lt

1n Colombia.

Ho would finance and they nould 11aanco all of the productios, but

thayarare unable

304426254

==52*. 3.

They had a commercial priater, y ho.

mart bung to gront for them le

on the sano foruat as the English edition, the old English edition; non the

nglish and the rench editi

long- sort of a prestiga operation." Expected tiroe tiree

3 or t lasue to get out, before it would be seized, but that was enough

for then.

I think what they wanted to do was to establish themselves

on an international plane, even rationally, as the leading left

party

Thoy' to had a runniag battle with the Comunist Party. They accuso the

CP. Of having 8iven the sanes of all their 11a1801 people botrean the tea.

city and countrydide - they are runtine

souvartoden -

a guerrilla campaign in certain areas of the country which

has bocone quite serious.

And they do have organizationel ties with the

¡hey are by no means a joke.

FALM

of Tenezuels.I And they are having peoplo trainod 1nNorth Vietsan.

They were. supposed to. And 19 Chias.

i see

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They havo sona people 1n Algoria. They say ayes have persuadad

the algerians to train sone people. I don't know. But they voro trylog

Actual

soloctod by so.

I selected the articles as I chose.

& there

Bngligh

FABI

I mas complataly

On sy Ova. Mhilo there vas a fronch edition, all I had to do vas pick out and

about what goos

#Thattore SInto his negaziso.

(To nOw In control))

For Liedo, Cas. connectIons

To POok Bout ta nor guests of too da part croup, do go, vio

¡Chinese 8roup on the 1r1980 Of they Conmunlat Party of bolog a Trotskylat

agent.

Cortainly, 18 a person uho has had extremely close tles and asintains

then old Probable groups, particularly the so-callod Lambert- (Groupe Lambert)

How old-probably ri

Take in thirties. Harried to French vonas, fron than he vas separated.

ale route front

HotRa to Algorla. He nates dont to degrade frases viet

Joavo Prance because has no/passport. Has boen 10 Pr

Do to Pf2-is years.

deflatboly

Cano end of the fortles of sarly liftlos, in the fortles, astor the vas.

He finished asceo In France and vent to Sorbonne, rocolved doctorato.

philosophy, sociology. He 1A/QUICO Dialliant. He vent Into Prench Consumist

Läon't think ho was in the CP in Vietnam,

party. La Prance have organizational structure nelso have peasant

their permanent people.

peoplo. Think.

Fabrised by lispero.

•tine to vrite a boak

on Vlotnas,

now being translated into Bagliah and will be pub in us

By HoRtLiyA To"Press. This roprosents the nost cogent Elbafft 11no

that - one could put up for the National Liberation Front of South Vietaan.

This 18 the soft poaltion. It l8 not the Chinese position. It's an equal

co-oxistence one where they don't talke about socialist ravolution. taey

sod't even talk about taking pomer. but coalition, neutrallzation. •

Do vrote 1t'63. Has beon updatod with a non chapter. Ho doos not still

rosals withis the Con party. Nolthor expelled nor did he leare but justicare

Inactiro!: Vas a nomber of the economiesconnisaion of the party.

A Torses adar do vas la the party ill a neator eloial sassa, comalesion!

Ho has much loss Inagination than TOrgos, does not haya thinerto, cortalaly

¡ note thas anything also. if i

not the gambling instinct. to 15 a heads very fratious, vants to protect

ORCH LEBUO OS APPLE COROS OUI

Revaleetes..

Harpora t01d-'Ásdorssoa: Andorssoa: Anderason told Haspero, that-le lnunched a torriblo

canpel81-8821888.1011.

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oveR proving his good latth by bringing manuscripta that vore orlalbally

destined for Revolutios, Most Verges knew anythloe about that I serlously

doubt. This vest on to such an extent that Maspero told Anderason.

Andorssos sald, "by ho has launched a terriblo canpalga against you

as & TrOtkgyIto" Nasporo sald bo dida't bollove 1t, so Andersson

elonal hia a latter that duen ass rittonin visolde desanded that he derer all tien

with 'áspero, and 80 07.

He 1s & cosples person. He has nunerous ties,

wIth Trotskylsts.

British Communist Party, priatod 1a Rovolutios,

undor the grandan of Joshur Linton, thich turned out to ba;Thonas kent:

паВо

written by

Ono of the executive nembers of the Brltish Shiticis Trotsky Sociallet

Labor League, which la an incrodible thng. Non he

"''' roally considerod

by many of thera Chinese peoplo to ba a Trotakylat, or a Trotsky syapathiser.

ni. I don't knon about

It. Ho doos havo tory curious tios. I don't what bors

$5-701

present rolatlonship 18 to the Vlotnaneso though do clained & that ho

had received

guess a lotter Iron lanor:Irösa friend Who van 12 high position

thore who urged bin not to do anything that could bo 'onsidered ant1-souiot.

And they said t'at really

This was sono tino bafore - 11 the spring. / He should be returalng bozo.

But ho has no intontion of returning.

(878))

quite used to

particularly likes runnlag around and having a foul. . says ho's fatherlag

InfOrEAtIOn ITOR un OLd. day a girl sard I's not an encyclopedia, will you stop

slang me all these questions?

((als relationship with the Chinose)!

Hey Thina Neus

Ho has sono contact tith the sautdatenin but at lavery slighte

contact,

-one af. tho

So nas the one uho finally 1n a stato of panle vent to the, Cit sab sad

Chineso/agency correspondents la Paris and told hin of tho Linancial

plight of the magazino. And that's when the line told bla to preparo a

budget, Said they would soo what they could do. He told Fell and Kissel

Castall put his foot don. Ho said thit verges. ..

(rao did ho 8oo))

A XT. Tas. Thoy verd at that tine Yan and Yang. Yap a heavy sot nas,

with various groups, of political people.

the salon of care a pale a to the an one eat to do to era la

direct contacts.un.

They had obviously first made contects wid the ninese la Berne and then they continued

then in Berne (after French ostablished relations wita hinese) because obtiously it nouldn't

100k very good to bo....

$15,506.

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'(Shoulda't Do tOO AfETeSSITe toO 80Os, altor establishod la Iraace, that

sort of thiasi),

I don't knot. After all, they have censosably good rolations vith the

Proach 80 I think probably tha Prench will bo disappolated that they barent

Door ablo to 80t soro concreto talaga out ol insalamaro, trado and so

forth.

(Tho Pronch don't meat the Chinese toE -

tket an +05800-0000-00106 to sothlas to do.ulth-105868- th-590 a frland

of also so sorke for de coloraton la perto, Borates Cholly

At talk1n8 t0:80n00D0, about Revolution 1a the Proach Porolga Minlatry Do

sald- vhat do you-think-about this Chisoss. la slvays thoaght there vas

nothin

der this that do you

on thiak about this Chinese

20 100074: 149

magazino pat

out it hore? And he said- I dos't know anythlag about 1t. Basidos 11 no

political,

masted to oxanino subsidlos that 8o into the publications 1a franco no

rould cortalaly start uith tho Russians and Humanito and thes 80 0s ulta

finenced

BOBo 01 yoUr AReTICaD/publicat1028, (laughal) and that was the ond of thats

That say here just boass sort of anlde rejoinder. I thlak that they

Intend,

do tan to be discroot, shas they rose vory happy about the altuation

thoro. I TAs In the Chinese Babansy Only OnCO. I vas larited to a receptlos.

of goternment

I sover BaN sO many pooplo Iron dia top bracketsi ad at that rocoption.

Everybody

thoy bad-she lagton de'Hoanova, sio

prens the top structure at

Everyahore you ront thay lad i lagion d'fonour 1a

batto do top

structure of _the ciril servicuoro there

fron all the

Important Industrlos.

(mat's Co" a loyalty then)

Kindé loyalty 16 and basically to himsoll. Do's Interested in karee

He's vory acadenic mindod. lo toally 18 8 pedantic, acadosie persos.

And he's got a trehendous number of interests. He 1s a very hard vorker

thon ho norks. It's ho uho urites and routttes nost of the magazine. Ho

usod to vIto nost O1 the editoriala. Yorges does very llttle, Be does

not liko to Trito. He dooss'& like to bo bothered with editorial things.

¡a 11ko8 the proMotional aspects of things. lo llkas tO cOnteRo sootings

OTOTY 80 Olton jil to diacuss things. But as 1OT the actual runnieg Of

Eblaza, po did oxerciso a floder control oros tha Prosch odition than ho

did oror tha Baaliabi aditios, ha seror- voll once or tulco be sald put

anto taur done put thio 1a.' Do printed an artselo about Algeria mhich

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taB, rolled criticion, la the Proach 188u0, and he told no not to print that,

105 lAstaRCO, 10 the Baglian edItiOR, his stOry boles that do dida's vest

to embarrass the Chinese. He sald that alter all the Chinoso voro buying i

-Iate and this sands vash't their 11ne ba Algeria and they alpht do anked

enDarragging questlonaby the AlgOrIaD----

#tatitbatar

((Jou sons the Chlaose toro buyla8),

Tho Chineso at that tine vore buying 3000 coplos of the Bagliah edition.

tha french. They dida't soon to alad stant the

• -300

300 PTORCh

In actual fact, the ChInesa sO faT as I knou never nado ssy camont

about the n888z1s0'' 0r 1t8 contents. Nose uhatsoover.

(se Coat willingness to so to dispero and knock Yerges and 8o la raderason

and knock Haspero- 1s this inconsistent with his pedantic Marxien?);

mor his lot of it to acadaule. It's not rolated too much to 1150,

except that ho ls a plotter, a bora conspirer. lo loves to havo ton

pooplo around hia and to tall then that to do, bou to naneuvor. ol courso

whatover ho tolls then generally turns out to ba disastrous lor ther.

Por examplo, the so-callod pro-chineso studonte inaldo of the USC, the

Eason dos Studiantos dennisun Conunist?s at thair congrees last your --

lat'a-608_thay.70.80t.-0n0.conlag-upo-ho was tha ond behind who vas tolllag

then what to do, their tactles and strategy. They had a torriblo catastropho.

: (1248h198) 12 fact the pro-chinese students sopresent & nogligible factlone

mor laside

at the Consunist students, the largest faction bolng the Itallaa

1 Tho

factIon, which 18 actually financed by the Itallan Coumunist Party-Struggl

has gone on for years betreen the french party and the Itallan partyy and

1t continues there.

Finen ho had a sroup of youths called the Drapeny house group. They put out

agals a four-pago, Ilke a newslotter, lik which he proalsed to get noney STOn

Targes to subsidiza. Verges had no noney, as you know. One slaglo 1asue

cans out.

Proletarlo, with Valdos, annaged to keop on bocause Valdes had b1s out

sOUrCes of Incono Iron the Spanlards who belonged to trapparently.

mey kicked in quite a lot, "''ronth, you know,

to koop 1t go1n8.

It masn't too expossdro. The sain thing 18 fladiag a priator tho u1ll

prist 1t clandestinoly, 1a Franco, Boonuso-att-tboso thiego-that barone

who 1s responsiblo for 1t and anything 1n a lorelgy languago 18 exeupt I5On

t8o I1berty of press, Iron freadon of press, 1a FranCe. The Only fOSOlEA

languages that you cas use are Basque and Breton and I thiat

AlBatlan

dialect.

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For a sagazino addressed to tha Spanish workors in Franco and 1n Testera

Europo, the probles nas 10s then to 11nd sosoone to print 1t4 clandestino!

-.w:

And they sound someone I think with Steet and Stralkolf.

'(What about Strolkols)

Lot's 8o dora the 1100. The doxt one fa lu order roold be cadesi

_Caliól (9) 15 the nopher os JoBoph Cántali ol the Pronch Acadaay.

f1rst naso?).

Patrique

Patrick. Ho is the nopher of a very lanous lin wen and ho has workod,

B8&1n, Ior Maspero, «en All these people vorked fOr Haspero. YOrgeS takos

freat pleasure. in sort of taking people auay Iron Nesporo. Be unad to boast

about

the people that he had gotten anay from Maspero. I supposo th1s -

Pallas can't ao sortaing for us, so why do you want

sesoss but the 1des that ho night be able to undercut

Hasporo so bring Maspero downcts - ho 10 extrenely petty In this sODsO, T

and odde to built up this grudee against laspero, becauso he solt that

Haspero dan't support him 100% when he wanted to gid teteen be are

to buy out laspero, Haspero wasn't takantadarlaxatt Interested 1n

1820199)

1s a potty yay,

Cosbing sorces. So iron that point on he, did everything possiblo tea

.ho-d1d

" can't do too much now..

pX8xx1a1 01858tbd88-posaiblo to dran poople anay, ibe play dons., He ront

to the Chinese and sald Haspero was & Trotskist. The joke of the natter

and who aro

was that all of the Trotskyists th had beon, In this orgarization, and

I'm suro they are thero, came through Klu. It vas chea tho had Introduced

00.11

then to MaBpero. And laspero vas the Bort of person ino, coulda't care loss

whether tha Trotskyites got in as long as there vas sond sort of lroo

_ the sort of

dIscuss101. He's not a connitted person anyway; he's a man sho laxesaro

at sentimentally on the lost but outalde of any party, and s0r rhoa thia

thisg has bocone & faltaly good business. Those magazines ara by no seas!

expensivainly 8011p about 2000 copies por 18sue, uhleh do all now that

Revolutiont 1t has cona dona a long ray.

AByray, Chiécal to vas ono of kasper's authors and he vorked for -

pur Algeria.

Liberation. He's been to Laos and to the French test Indies, He's a

journalist. Ho's norked I Afthiak SOT FraaCo Obsessateur.

-

Ho's never been a senbor of the Conmunist Party. His nala problen is tryine

to bo # b18805 one day thas his uncle, uhon he dislikes istassoly bat

though he clains

severtheloss fladstory uselal, He uncle 1s very tight mith bla money,

but 1a any caso ho Biffs bla crodita le says I an lessel, and they area't certain

so they five his credit.

i tie men com little about business, bat herone

→ Vorges had a groat doal of confidence 1n his and he know a lot about

DOnoy menipulation and so forth

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Verges trlad to divide thiaga up. ls tro occasione vorgos asked lta no

to chango sono MOnoy. In Ona casa ha gavo lta & briol case ubich containod

830,000 to casb, and astod tin to go to the bank and chango it to Fresch

ITRACA. I vent into the bank and sald I tantod to chango sono nonoy. -

They dide't laint, nor ask any questions al ther. Thes on the second

OCCaBIOn I think I changod only $2000. It vas 1a cash, 1a huadrad dollar

bille, And the othor oso vas in ton dollar b1lls. That nas the probles,

Thoy had to count it all, Thoy veren't at all pleasod. there he sot the

HOBoy trou I don't know, tapiNara unad ABeTicas bille, old bille: sat

rappera on thes had no Identification. But ho dida't nant anyono elso

So dida't vant 8 ciceall to know I had changed it.

(You Bay cacoll vas novor da ile Proach Communlot Part).

но.

Рем:

houso de gauche

нім пор

I don't thias Cardall en 18 a person-/ althout ovon intolloctual Vial)

ho I1kos to livo voll and the party's bureaucratie organization dooss't

attract intolloctualsxspra vory long. Many of then 80 throughtllt hut

just that. Thoy go in and out. In fact 1t's almost- 1t'8 very good referonco

11 you're boon in and out of the party, You' vo got so sany peoplo uho

hare bees in and out of the party that you can go alnost anyuhere and 1lnd

sympathy and JobB and so os. vas

People at Espresse and so on aro sado up of

peoplo o (108 Elett resto 2),

Tos. Ho has urittea one or tuo articles for Rovolution, but vory little.

Tha only thins that ho used to do vas to ro-visto sono of étria tings,

tho editorialo 1a particulas, altor Ches had vorkod on then, to put them

Into really 8ood french, Ehei'& Proach somotimes has a tendency to be

vary asotoric and baraque.

((No substantiro aditorial nork))

ono who did suffer nost. Becauso all the creditora got to hin. Verges vas

aldiag, dida't cona lato the offico sonotinos 105 days, or vould coMe 1a

only 10T a rosy short perlod 01 tino, Bocause ho vas airald that peoplo

nould rest to serro samones and ratat on lig for debt. Cascali vas

thoro, Cáscolí vis not a sombor of the company, I thougat lo vaso.

By the ray I don't kaot whother I got that correct, yosterday. That

nas the Bureau No. E uhero thals ching "alizid of luguat- - that vas 83.

Whos they set up the compasy. ..

(That la Fumaon an. 6)

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dox S1Dep.

Sinot 1a I1otod He with Strolkoll as Socrotalro do la Rodecéton,

-hica sousda like ha had sonathina to do vita the aditorial side of 1t

but has nothing to do with that. He 18 of course the partner of Vorges,

at loast on paper. Thether thufify thousand france la bis nano actually

" represent his money I doubt. I thin! 1t 18 probably all Verges'

monoy. I think that Vorgos needod at least anothor person to go into the

•.. Ile 18 the lay-out, sals nako-up (man), Moor Tór8õo post-1»t0

the layout, art nork, cartoons,

just send

(ia handle photos, t007?)) Woll

They loady around to see where they can got then. But as they have

no sonoy now, It's just a natter of Deffiag. They used to buy almost

exclustrely froa Magaum. that'a via ereropla do many Cartier-Sterson.

Magnun has hesit besutiful photos

-et:

they are expenalto. And then they

coulde't pay then.

((31net de French) 44, 011

His roal nano 1s Maurice Sinet. He 18 French. He 18 l0 his thirtles.

Bartlod, rather unhappily; has one child, thich his tilo clains 18 not his.

Be'& soro of in anarchist. He vas In the French Communist Party but 105

8 very brlol perlod, I father. Ho 1a very virulent. Before Rerólution

case out he put out his on littlo sagazino, cartoon

magazine called

S1ne HABBaCTe, #blon'do the most virulent cartoon' l'vo ever soon.

Shaul They depicted things ilke the clorgy, love avert, very.

sick type of cartoon, which contrasted greatly) Iron that undo hia lanous,

stro's-oat.

cats

the Sine cat. He made a fortune with his cut and he also had a t10-in

olth sons kindadbolitage promotional things, sea toy-chain and coters -

That's there of course he nade a lot of noney. Ho does a lot of consarcial

ast rork. Ho sells quite & bit here 1a bagland: Ho does vork for Br1t1sh

ad agencies.

(thy does a man this successful put this much offost lato Revolut104?))

Bocause ho 18-- again, the sane sort of thing he 18 an enotional

fortia%, rongescapincapablo 01 say roal organizational (vork) - -

So 18 VOrgeS. I think that so natter li, what sort of organizatios, ho coulda't

BERy (w1th 1t) too 1018. He must be the big boast of 1t. se sust be

& grandPaçTon

5959° Spot 15, pianic sore Jureallo. Ho is forever throwing

bottles 01 liyyou know! Ela iinancial success has boos seriously ondan-

Berod by - not Iron RevolutIon, but lanarkantrear the businars of Sinot

JABBACIO, DeCRUsO lao. Do Gaullo did not 11k0 uhat she considerod

blasphemous cartoons, and so he was arrested lor outrage aurena publique,

outrago a la poliaco, outrago lu chal d'star- - Ho got out of most 08.

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then but 1t cost a lot of nonoy blozult- 1t put thie thiag out of existenco

and tino de Gaulle sald she thinks he 1a a rasy aasty ma.

(Doos ho sot pald by Revolution of doos he supply lunds for Revolution))

Ro, ho supposedly sots the sane thiag that oresytodo everyono olso

ios :reoni.9,

8ot8-, 80tt108 1500 STanCe & nonth. BroryOße allogedly gets of did rocelte

1500.*

ãO has an asgiataat DeCaU8o dO ida' ( duvoLo nUCA ul ile iibo lù

Itoyo bas a very exponslte ontabllahmant. Ele nothor and fathor, vilo.

and child, maintalns tuo care and has a throa story- Bort of duples,

$1850T than an apartmont. It 1e ragalflcout, on the Bue pilchio to parleo

In ordos to nalntain this ho's fot to 11ad rays o1 oaraing ediblelata a 11r1a8,

malnly advortlsing nork. ld had norked for Bxpress which pald bla tory

no1l, but he broko uith then onipolltical lasue. lo Ilkos to ost velli

...La

drint mall and run arou

niiepi i6m

around aftor vomon and this 1s expensivo. So & lot of

tho.

donsoy

18 cone by stronod vi

1eye wovis

Alozendes strolkors.

(iurio-goueeta for meir natrr!)

The nals thing to read in Vergos aro the editor1als. That's the

I only thing stastert (?) carod about. Tho editorlale aro vory-- torards

the ond 10r examplo, thero's tho plagie phraso - "1t's botter to hare los

tha luturo a lalluro that 18 luninous, Unn chel luninoux, than success

¡n COntuBIOR" rhatovor that DO2Es. This 18 TOrgOs' 11DO 1n nany thiege.

jiktiest-soaoo

EistK Thay'ro (oditorlals) I1lled With phrases Eiia- - ho vasted at

(peoplo

ono polat to circlo these lan phrases with a crayon to sho that his

l1ne hag alvays beon the sano.

GINzBEPO? - is Pience Vuccon (FeF(e)

real name) trinci dure?

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MISMAN

Rool so. ?

(" Jou bata an acute senory for the last phraso of yosterday.))

I happon to bo a journalist.

(Crou hadox a vosy retontivo mind. You do very roll about these thánge.)

As you got older you lorget. Doess't it Irighten you sootizes then

you can't think t- of a nano- - I's roally begioning to 1o0l bad about

..* sonothing ta I can't ronember- - I thiat uy God, shat's happeniago.

Strekkol! 18 Aloxander Strolkoll. Ho 18 1s his early thirtles,

SOR Of RUSSIAn InNIgTAnt paresta 1s FrRICO,

(Bora 18 7raaco7))

BOTA In FranCe. SpoRks RuSBian fluently. Ils parents vero nonbers of

Bolshevik farty

the Communist Party 1a Russia, /

but uith Dagot Trotskysto tendencios.

That's rby they had to got out of Russla astor the Rerolution but he has

po Trotekylet, loanings as all. 11 lact bocauso os ble parantee: 391000859

sore of less to lean the other nay, to be at least verbally, a violent

Stalinist. He 1s married and has three (children), thee by one wife,

has one 1llegitlnato and soveral others. He 18 very active sexually.

Ho 1y very handsona follon and has a groat doal of success with girls.

doing

Bo earns his 11ving as & graphic designer. Ho worked for Hachette dartog

layouts for then, untll the freat Sinot Massacro scandal, when kat.

do Gaullo 11aally took umbrage at this. He and Sinot vore the toro car-

toonists who put this out, and

((Strolkols can drat, as roll))

Yes. In thase things I gave you you will soo cartoons by strekkoll.

I cartoonist, :

He 18 osseatlally an artist, though agoro avor printed bla cartoons botoro

he ran into sinot because they more considered just too stagesta

A degusting sor §puféintián). Io 1s roally the acolyto, 1s you

w111, of Sinot. And say success, say sonoy that he bes conest to bla

through Sinot. He is Sinot's man, and Sinot passes on vork to his.

Thoy sOrt of paßs around girls to each other and that sort of thing.

He doos, severtholess, count for a cortain anount 1a the sagazise. Ho did

count, because he was considered-reasonably dislaterested. That 18,

he wasn't concerned very much about noney. He Iltes vory poorly, with

Absiãtal hla u110 and childres, and has nado las nora sacrificos than

AlRogue no 10, TOry Joyas, I Tas pOlDE do say, a coltheal rotalsor.

of Sinot's. I think that rould sun his up. lla loyalty lo to giaot and

not to verges.

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"(al"aro bla pelocipal espas os contact outaldo ol-s)

So doesn't baro any contacte outsido 01_ Illa COntaCts 250 BalalY )

body to body with girls. In toras of pollties, ho didn't lito the 1d02

that perhape chen was dooply Inolred with Trotskylen, that sort of thing,

¿out that vas just anall colout (21, als scruplos enthus paulo: Do ranted

to koop 1t gala8. He was very sashaus anti-Chinero in the sense that he

didn't think that the nagazine should accopt any Chineso nozoy lI the

Chiseso nore villing to givo lt, the reason for this bolng that he thinke

вi..

that, should have a frow thand is the arts, and so forth, jazz and all

this, which of course ho and Sinat are very nuch inbrosted la.

-

'(10'8 a Iltorary 1lboral, thon-))

Yes, In terns of the arts, he rould bo. He doesn't care much for

abstract art, tart

1419235+

((But ho's not a party lines))

877.304240847

By no Roans. A forter comunist, but he vasn't expelled. He also just

asthdren.

((I8 bis parents vero enigres from Russla, I assuno this rould kavo

boos in the treaties, ar))

They, trip).

Yes, In the trontles, just before he was bork. - because of their

Trotskyist leanlag. I suppose they vere nembers of the Trotskylat lactloaf

of the Sortt Cormunist party at that time.

(Do you know whother they more expelled of loft voluntarily)

I don't kaon. I think they lost voluntarily, but that's just supposition.

I think ho sontioned sorething about it. I think that they really feds

Butchelsats fled abead of the Sorbot polico, the Cheka- - he's Jewish,

and maybe some of his relativesy did end up In Sovlot concentration

casps. I thiak he still has sone 11v1ng relatives (11 Russia) yOs, because

no ras one of the chess do chaifiler, construction foroman, la the 11nel

stagos of the French aperpotion en Moscort That ras 1a 61 0x 62.

The pato Pain pens atives.

(Eís bo sedo other trips to the Soviet Union))

I thiek ho has nado two trips. lut One was with the French exposition.

Afd de nas there before and I think throughout the expodtios, putting it up

and sO On. Ho 18 vory compodent aùl as a designor, a littlo bit lazy —:

bat other: thak that on ho trles to got other people to do his vork for bia

11 ha can, just as Sinot passes it on to bin ho tries to paga 1t on to

others. Thore sonay is concerned he is not terribly scrupalous but

thered Mead to 188104e)

he's not noney huagry. His norkness is nonen. Yory such so. He shocked

the AnderstoRa. No used to core to lausannedad he lad no sany sirls

-a ferris

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BABU

Dennis

tven

slatet thay coulda't koop up (with 1t)

ARIas TOS. He ras delegatod to do the work of the Baglish edition.

Sinot couldn't do it and this nas bofore the Prench aditiont vas started

1n FranCe, SO It Was StrOlkol! who did 1t. He cano to Lausanno lor a couplo

of days to do the layouts and so on. Then ho found sondono 1a LausanDo,

thon

a Sul88 85pphic artlot, uter-couperalal artles, uhojaid the pete part os

the work. Strelkofi cano to overses 1t.

That's about all there is about hin. It's not very nuch, really.

Ho's not vory actiufo politically. His 1110 Conters around Ionales, Jazz,

a1ght clubs. Ho would got drunk occasionally. Ho shares Sinot's tastes

there - ада новод.

Now astor chen, Out and Sinot and Stralkol?, you have really

roachod the and of thandaltorlel stallz as such. There was an add tarlad

board which vas a flction. It had names of people like Babu on 1t. Babu

saw Verges actually tulco. He nover contributed anything to the nagazise

taped

except one intervlow which I didwith his, & in Geneva, whos ho vas at tha

un duties Trado, Development.

(Babu's blographic details aro vall enough known but hou did ho cono

to got lavolred in Rovolution, 1n the first placo.))

sermo thereliatle

o vas suggested by Dania Portera, Darle-domboro-do non the dologat

Iron Tazzanta to the UM. Marial soopollad straito-Phombatt.

Dad's Phombeah 1s a forner student - he's a Tanzanian diplomat now,

Ho 18 Tanganylkan by birth. Ho vas the socretary of the Connittoo of

AITICan OrganIZatIOnS herO 11 LOndOn fOT a number of years. This vas a

Chane-subsidized attenpt to group together hand unily all of the various

Ational groups lo's merriod to a girl by the nasa of selina. She 15

= Joviah 81rl Iron LOndoR. Her parents also fOreT JOStIstE, Bue she 18

vory much anti-Connunist. Dennis has very close ties with the British

Communistset party. Ho vas a nonbor of their AIrICAn student conaittoo. !!

They had a committed loaded by a rosen named ay Beauche laulen

Booches )mho

# the task of

mas dolesated/so sort of watch over the dirican atudente, and thos

dida't haro vory much succoss. But Dennis vas ablo to milk them, the .

Ghas Government, by getting a subsidy, plus he had direct ties vith

the Sorlofar He u18.2, Eraduate student at Moscon Ualyeralty under Professor

rostant Potekhin (rep)

Potoolty He 1i son dead, as you knon, ho nas the boad of thalr Alrican

studies departront. He was getting his doctorato. I think 1t nas tot im

asthhopology," I don't know exactly. But he vas one of the ory fOWl POrSORS

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sottina a doctorato 1s Moscor wallo altting 10 London, and hia vile spest

nost of hor time ritinghla theals. He nould tell her, "son read thie

book and toll no what it says" and then "nork this into sy gonoral tires".

Ho had vory littlo tine. He also had sone connections vith the Chinese

and had been to Poklag, whes I don't knon, and had been lavited to go to

Poking lastsunner. He aanaged to keep Iron gotting thoro. I supposo ho

Jolt that it ho von'"' to did go to MOscoN On several occasloney thoorotically

Kin in

1t was to soo Prol. Potently That was just beloro detestetes doath.

The Zanzibar revolution 1a a Joar old, do it ras before the fanzibar

Rovolution Put rao oarly last your, muat-baro boor trash. I sar him

last at orly Alrport when he root - -

Cano through [guars sovert-rooto-later on his way to Moscoy, Ho took

the Alx. Pranco fllght and ho had an hour to k1l) 1a Paris,,and I vest out,

to the airport and saw his. He favo noxsansopintasus photos of Zanzibard

*(You had known to was collig))

Yes. They told me. This was for the magazine. Some of the photos

Plyin Pretty bad photos.

that Intor appeared tere the photos he brought. They were all one could got.

Then ho took the Alr PranCO flighi to MarsaN and MoscoT. Men be caro

back of course, although ho was Tanganylkan, Babu knew hin and khad stroag

confidenco in hin and lid appontod hin adviser to tho Zanzibar High COs

E1as1on here 1n London. The Connlasioner, who had bees one of the Sultar's

nos, had loft. There had been a Civil Serkast by tha nano of Omar, Ozar

his we his mais concer

Zoran, who ronained. He said he dida't want to 10s8 blE pensios,, revolution

or no revolution. He didn't know much about revolutions. In fact, he vas

vory touching, because he asked us could me suggest books that he could

read about rovolutions. He vas a tino server. nile he vas quito usefal

28 the First Secretary, nevertheloss Babu coulda't trust his. &

Sombeak.

\So Donnis, Has put 1a as a sort of natchdog.

antilBabu arrivod,

Mon tha CanOVA CODIOIONCO CANO UP, DORDiS vas thoTO MIstarsalAdo!

Ente tarrot, the chief de'sato, fiun Zanzibar. In fact, he had everybody

Balatagatas sitting 10 as dologatos, I sat 1a as a delorate from s

anilbar for a fey sinutes without even knowing it

He out a or to test a to coot.

There I was sitting these.

Somebody came up and took ay photograph. I assured that I vas alther being

photographed by the CIA or by the State Department of tha Sovlot side

• ci

probatisf

(Did you oros soo the product))

amiate

NO. I assumo It vas 105 Bilit

¡ COnSuMptIOn. ThOO VAS an LaBI GOTA

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bhi or pra purposes. To wanted to tako portratto ol all the Alricans.

Ho got thair names. He had a tremendous 11lo there.

(1augh118) 11 And ho also had & uireshoto nachise which vorked right out

of his studlo. He did Phouberh and another

APolloo maila I ras there.

Anyuay, Phoabesh vas known to lorges. He way have not his when ferges

vas 1a the 10p, Intornational Unlon of Studonta, Studonta, PratUa. Ho vas too i

ViceProsidont. Thoro aro four vico presidents. Verges vas one of they.

do I said, aboa do vero la Algeria, to had this roaRs rogised Alaallo

28 our correspondent here. Then there case the blor-up- there vas

PhoabeRho - Do know Bonalpad A128160 and vas BiTInE heT political advice.

In other words, ho was michhigher up in the hiorareby of the Britleb

Cosmunist Party, although theoretically he 18 not & serber of the party.

nat I don t tnow..

He mautaint de l corsainly accopted what ho sald.

retween

to 8 groat extont. But ha vas seag utta overyone.

to workfor us ha agreed to work, for E50 & nonth, but not to have hia

saned used. he didn't vant his nane to appeni

to appear in the nagazine. He said

Ptra

"hoverer, I'm cortala that Baby'fthla vas before the revolution! I'm

cortain that Babu u1ll bo williag." He seat a celão cablo to bin and

"got a reply which was favorable. Babu then turned up 1n Paris and London.

Ho was at the labor Party congress at Scarborough. On his ray back to

Africa fron that congress he stopped in paris and that vas his sooting

with Vorges.

He told Verges 1930: No sald "ve will bo la povor vithin six to olght

after independence"

rooks santasapsentat And of course he was. And roally that shocked

Vorges, verses to 808 sonabody who really knew what he kaal rould do.

Also Babu- - vory strange in that ho dogsn't dross voll at all. He looks

тегу віорру. Ма*

Less blancast, to both sar bia next attaithe ul contarance, the

Canova CORPOTenCO. Ho CANO tO ParIS vith the Quer character uho ses 18

st1ll hore. I sau he as presented to the queen not too 1oa8 ago. And

Babro

bis so-called Chef de Protocol, who just happened to bo a boy who could

spork French which vas a convenience. He also cano ulth an Itallan glel

talente

by the name of Bottli her last nasa, and I suspect, although I an sot

certain, that she 18 laura Bett1, to 18 a voll-knon, Itallen actress

Fissolinis itse

and the alloged mistress of PierTel Paolo Passaly the lila director, He

vas the nas uho nado Accatonia and just nade the Gospel According to st.

Matthon "uhich 80t a big prize and all that. Ho 18 a boxoserual and so 16

18 a VOTy strange sort of rolationship, she vas supposed to be a sember:

08 Fe

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B

BAbs

Nenal Socialists. I don't knon 11 she has gono uith the PSIUP, propta

the new jeft split, or sot. I tried to set sore Infornation about her

1n Rono but I couldn't just walk in and say "moron't you the girl I finet i

"found In bod with Babu". She spoaks Inglish toll and she spent a considerablo

amount of tino 1n Genova vith hia and cano to Paris vith bla.

14A3

HO

597197-887983

„Bas also mith Hurray idlie (phan) al Australlan sho spent nost of m

bis t'ne as a mutual lunds galosaal. & Murray vas basod 10 Golava. I

suspoct that ho also vas supplying girls.

HUTTY Mis RIgO 1a contact ulth and Introduced Babu to a neo by

tho nano of Victor Herbert, uho 18 an Anoricas Mutual Fulds Balosers.

on extentive

He used to bostith OIS, Overseas Investment Servico, l0 Goneva, which 1o

the b18808t AnorIcas ofersoRs sund,

BOrDIOlI:".

ragaby. a man by the aane, of

Boralo Barta Corabeltt?). Bractly that this curlous croad vas do' ne

01th Babu-there 1a Conova 1 don't knon: Murtay Sales then Tator

told storios thich vero not quito true of a san who sas goldg around

the Hotel Intercontinental 11 Geneva KnOCklag OR dOOrs Bay1a8 tea.

"aro you a Porolga Hinistory "Yon" " Nell, I vant to Invest 8$ 850,000

In your country. Which country tratts do you cone ITon." HoT Hurray

, Sale

AS EnCOUntO

story la dissorent. lo told Mund enter that someone

cano and sald, "I'a fron the CIA. Here's a gold vatch and I'll give

you 850, 000 18 you'll work for ua." (Tho are you)) Tos, who are you?

Despita sons of the curlous antics I heard O1 With Cubans, I can't

balleve anybody vould got that way. And basides, Babu was very amused

by tho san who did coro. And he didn't got a vatch. He told so that he'd

gotten a canore fron the lost Cornast Onco. They sald "don't recognize

Ulbricht and to'll give you this lovely canora," Of course they had

already sado & doal With Bast Gorasay.

(That was Tletor Herbert's rolala all thie?))

I suspoct that they varo trying to invest soroy, that ras all.

The thing ubich interoste so about all of this la that Babu, despito tho

fact ho 18 & roTOlutIOnary, and & very compotent one, I thial, he has other

sning to his fow.

subter

One, ho 18 vory much laterested la nones. Tro, he drinks bearily.

Honoy, which 18 ortoonaly scarce la Zanzibar llke most places in the world,

10 08 prost laterest do bla, le also rate dold do cant ha had indorad

the Chinese that ho was going to carry out the coup and the Chineso voro

opposed to 1t. They vent ahead anyyay. They thought It yas as adventure.

that what he told you?)

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jas, that's what ho told Torgest and no. haluall

C, That want or paration.

Phoboah brought 1s Babu. Babu had so roal connection uith thó nagazies

axcept on theso tho occasions. Ho gave se an Interview thich vas priatod

1n the last 18810 - 19 both lasues of Rerolutlos, and that vas all.

Than he ront off to Indonesia. That's history. The sorger bas badas nado

botwoon Tanganylks and Zanzlbar and 1t vas pastry partially behind bla

back although he know that 1t vas golag to go on and ho vas not at all

opposed. He falt that it was & a good thing. le found 1t difficult to

andorstand why he felt 1t was & good thing, but he thought that f 11

Tangasy@lks the chros vas so groat and the lack of defined goals, the

'STO

Lack of abilityeho capacity to satlaly the Bianing soode of the messos

cosmunity.

there rould be such that the Indlans unwhatattresuuttle which had 1t8

and on the rock businoso end also the bit to sabra plastation and a

[Julies]

uhat-not vero an especially vulnerable target group; that, Myerero,

despite til of bis humalan and his Catholic religion wouldn't be ablo

to put up auch resistanco. I think ho vas quite right. That's that

happorod. That 18, Zanzlbar sodel 18 taking ovor Tanganyiku Into Tanzaala.

Thore vAs a struggle bottoon Babu and Handa, but that soonod to cale don i-

to & great extont. I think that's over now. I've beard dillorent things.

I don't know.

Kate?

One of the things that this sollon Curtis Cabe of the Atlantic moathly i

proposed to do - he has nore proposala than he has dollars- untorturatoly,

18 that no try to go to zanzibar. No ona has eves done any (reporting)

Jeally

'of any particular noto:

I probably could got 1n. No one has uritten anything about Zanzibar, sisco

the sovolution. Dos't know thather that 1s possiblo or not.

(There vas a great doal of noise at the timo of therevolution about

Baba's relationship with froLiaug, the NeNAman. D

Noll, yes, it's true he has worked for then. And after he inlornad

then of what he nas 801ed to do, they

that tas about to or three days before the revolutios. They had gives

hta a saall anount of noney, but not such.. it vasn't thals noney

- • ThA LRRZIDRI TOVOLUTION,

O what el is outin" the country at the tina.

Hoksor what just bo done. But I0r lastanco, the bringing la 01-- the

sallon - -Okello

chich nas an Incrodiblo thiag to do.

the fornor polica corporal IrOn l Uganda. I havo the leollag that

ho Mas by so soRns all ponorful, that 1t vas a coalition of forcoB,

To sovolutiod vas popular In the sonso that the overahulalag rajority

-A population son ropresented among f

I the sorolutionastes

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which had long had a standing grudge agalast that and sau no may of

dolng away with, but obulously they meren't all as loft as Babu.

made

You had for Instance Othmes Sharil, uho nay bo Ambassador to Unitod States.

80108 to ba hero 1n Londos, ! thiak to tas the Bigh Conaissioner 1n

Londos, for a vory short perlod of time. And then when the morger cano,

1t was the Tanganylkan High Comlasionor who reprosented the sorgod

countrios, uith Omar ZOran 8t1ll stayias on as the jocretary, Bernien

Phombeah go1ag to lullex the ll there he had been, In Geneva at one potat

now 1a Now Tork!'Shar11 going to Mashington

(And ras socently socalled),

strlko hin down right away. That they wanted to do really tas to put bin

In a position where ho yould finally be bought out. They 1lgured that he

would go over to the lestern side. One day of the other ho mould jump.

And that's the way of getting sid of hin- althout then having to do anything.

That's one reason he was sent to lashington. They thought that after a

wallo he vould..

((80 much 105 Babu. Hon onthe Board))

Noe to haro Mid Mulana Bashaal- - Do 18 a Pakistant, Dennis Rhombeab

Mas unablo to continus his vort. He vas unable really to do anything.

Ho was just collecting £60 & nonth. The reason that he did absolutely

nothing was that the actual work vas done by a Pakistani named Haaka MOrY

Hazya Alavl a POrROr secrotary, Third Secretary Of SOothing, Ol the

Pakistan National Bank. Ho 16 a Harxist, doubt that he 18 actually a sember

Pakistan

01 the, Communist party. He comes fron/the I8napl1 Spct.. Moslen Sects, and

his laally 18 oxtronely voterth vealthy and has holdings 1a, Tanganylkaja

11bro plantation. Ho also has relatives 1a Zanzibar. Men ho was asked by*

Dosals Phonbeah to go to Zanzibar to help straighten out their balance

of payments problems, which he vanted to do, his laully told hin that 11

Do did bo'd novas cons back to then, alace they be flat so noney to

18 & Breat Irlands of Ralph Hilleband of Lil bore. Ho 1s at acadenie •

do has contacts with Irotskyist STOUpS. Als contacts with the Britiab

Communist party are not vory good. He is vory easy going, a rather sort

personality. He 18 by no neans 100% or ever 50% pro-chineso. In txti-

particular because he doesn't approve of Chinese rupport 107 Frosidort

Ayub Jali Tata led to his replaceneat finally.

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Tos, that's what ho told Torgost and no. tatuall

Ey, that wan't por pasticatia,

Phonboah brought 1s Babu. Babu had so roal connection tith the asgasino

oxcopt on these tuo occasions. Ho gave to an intortlay thich vas priatod

1n tha last 188u0 - 18 both Issues of Rovolution, and that vas all.

Thon ho vent off to Indonosla. That's history. The sorgor has later sado

botroen Tanganyike and Zanzibar and 1t vas pastty partially behind bia

back although he know that it vas going to go on and ho vas not at all

opposed. Be felt that 1t was & a good thiag. to found 1t d1111cult to

understand why ho falt it was a good thing, but ho thought that fo 1a

Tanganyßika the chaos vas so groat and the lack of deflned goals, the

Jack of abilitreblo eapacity to satlely the blaming noode of the masson

community.

there would be such that the Indians sesamsti

xanthe which bad 1t

band on the stoor business'and also the bie-tten fibro plantations and

want-not vere an especially vulnerable target Broupe that lterere.

trash

despito all of his bunanian and his Catbolic coligion wouldn't bo ablo

to put up such resistanco. I think ho vas quito right. That's what

happoned. That 1B, Zanzlbar which 18 tak1n8 OvOr TangADylkl IstO Tarzarla.

There was a strugglo botrees Babu and Handa, but that seeped to cale dons i-

to & groat extont. I thisk that's over non. I've board differont things.

I don't know.

Ono of the things that this tollor Curtle Cabe of the Atlantle sosthly in

proposod to do - he has more proposals than ho has dollars- unfortunatoly,

18 that ve try to go to Zarzlbar. No one has even done any (reporting)

Cos any particular

noto

I probably could get 1n. No one/has written anything about Zanzibar; sinco

the revolution. Don't know whether that is possiblo or not.

- (Thoro vas a great doal of noise at the time of the revolution about

Babu's relationship with Ko Liäug, the NeNAman. D

" Noll, yos, 1t's true he has worked for then. And after he informed

then of what ho nas going to do, they —

that was about two of thres days before the rovolution. They had BlYes

him a snall anount of nonoy, but uot nuch.. it vasn't thair noney

It was 2x istuch

-- the zaaziber rovolution, becauro ho vis out or the country at the timo.

- Hexson what just bo dono. But 10I lastanco, the bringing 10 01-- tho

follor - - Okello

which vas an Incrodiblo thing to do.

tha forner police corporal Iron @ Uganda. I havo the foollag that

-Do vas by nO soRes all pomortul, that It vas a COalItIon ol lOrCOs,

-Sno revolutiolinas popular 1a tha senso that the overabalnies najority

ulre

-A population me ropresentod anong soar the rovolutfonartes

who turnod against the Arab and Indlas f-apalattrist

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which had long had a standing grudge agalast that and sau no nay of

doing away with, but obtlously thoy veron't all as,1oft as Babu.

Озмад

12 de

You had for Instance Othren Sharl!, uho nay bo Ambassador to Unlted States.

801s8 to bo horo 1n Londos, ! thiak he was the High Commisslonor 10

Londos, sor a vory short perlad of timo. And then when the serger cano,

It was the Tanganylkan High Conlesioner who represented the margod

countrion, ulth Oner Z0TA2 8t111 stayiag on as the secretary, Fennih

Phoaberh 801ag to funnex the Ill thore ho had bees, la corova at one polat

вот 1а Xor York!.

Shar11 801ng to Tashington

((And vas rocently recalled),

Tos, Shari?'s poaition is extremely shaky, but they really disliked

Seitas Communt

bla roatly font becauro ho 10 the hoad of the slum

fat-they Couldn"te,

stilko him dowa right aray. That they vantod to do roally vas to put him

In a position where he rould finally be bought out. They Ilgured that ho

sould go over to the hostern side. One day or the other he mould junp.

And that's the way of gotting rid of hin- ulthout then having to do anything.

That's one Iosson he was sent to lashington. They thought that aftor a

vaile he rould..

((8o much 10T Babu. Now onthe Board))

Noo no haro Hid Mulana Bashan!- - ho 18 a Pakistant, Dennis Rhoabeah

was unablo to continuu his work. Ho vas unablo really to do anything.

Ho was just collecting £60 a month. The reason that he did absolutely

nothing was that tho actual nork vas done by a Pakistani saned latt Ala

Hanga AlarI a POrnOT secrotary, Third Secrotary Of Sonothing, Of the

Patintan National Bank. He 18 a Karklet, doubt that ho 18 actually a romber

of the counset party. Do coBo 1508/12 Isap Spot. Moalen saces, and

his faelly 18 oxtrenely voteta realthy and has holdings 18, Tanganyika; a

I1bro plantation. Ho also has rolativos in ZanzibaI. Then ha vas askod by

Dennis Phobeah to go to Zanzlbar to help straighten out their balanco

of paysents problons, which he vasted to do, his laully told bin that 11

¡e díd he'd never come back to thom,

since these lust soon "e

18 & Great ITlends of Ralph Milloband of LiI hero. Ho 1s ab acadenle•

Ho has contacts with Trotskylet groups. His contacts with the British

Communist party are not Test. good. He Is vOry oNsy 80118, a rather 8oft

pOISOLAlIty. He 18 by no seans 100% of even 50% pro-Chinese, In txrot.

particyler becauso he doesaltrapprora ol Chinese support 107 25oaldent

Ayab sahn. this lod to his replacement finally.

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(Pain)

Vorges wanted sonobody fron Pakistan on the board.

certain that the Mulana Bashend Kean w111 agreo".

((That rould be Hulana Abdul Hamld Bashani))

That's right. He's sootines called kátin as a titlo 01 rospoct.

Ho's a 70 or 80 yearz old nas. Ho's called the ded Hullab, sort of lixo

the Red Dean of Canterbury.-

¿Ho's the loador of one Of the Bast Pakistan partlos. Ho had loon to chine

and vas quito pro-Chinoso. He vas sore than willing. But ho had absolutely

no contact whatever vith the sagazine.

Yo8.

(on J0n8 did Hange Alavs sork with the magazino)

You rould have to check the issues of the English edition. He vas

Masascaoneatsay..

+F20%ZM

aore until lightly before we dropped rosaltad Alnsibe. That would be

May of 63, right up to pring of 64.

(D1d Hansa Alari do apything actually)er did to just

Hey got manuscripts and so on. He actually did the work that Phombest

nover did. I But that was all. And it was sort of contre coour with hin

because he did not agree with the thing. ho had the idea that the nagazine

sort of

vas arsentent opos forum, prostrum los tea debato

between

all sorts of revolutionary novenents. But than it bacans very obvious

that verges nanted & to try, at that timo, at least, to stay with the

•Taciiii-+h0-88070 08-113

Chinese 11no, fat 1t particularly hueuse of xhka 10011a88 about the

situation in Pakistan and ho vaan't happy. Also on the question of India,

do folt that the Chinese positlos V1RA-Tls Indle waBn't Just, and he

dida't like the hook-upt, battoon patterand the tung trlondship

and actual solidarity betreen Pakistan and China.

"so so ras through anicably, That 18 the present rolationship

botroorAlari and Verges)

I doubt 11 ho has any at all. He 18 very actire hero 1a london

W1th pakdstaa1 groups, Ho has sonoy, His milo"s laally has sonos, ble

ous Inully has. It vasn't a question of nonay for hin.

1372

(Has so contianed to be activo 1a Airoolsian thiags))

Ho's an acadenic. Hathas The Soclalist Rogister published last yoUr by

- an artielo on Imporialisa by bla. Ho 18 activo arouad

tha Londos School of Bconomics. He is know to the acadenie Loft, 1rlords

with the boys who do Lost Retiou and so on. His only practical tars, rould

so porkies with Pakistand groups, for instanco durine the left alection

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the TOrIOs JAR 18 BATOral COnstItuenCIeS PakIstanI Indepondest candidatos

In the hope of breaking the labor voto, hoping that the Pakistanis vould

.,Poto 10r theso Pakistani Indopendente, Hane worked with the Labor Party

1n those constituealosy to countor this; and petroutty they voro quito

successIul. Ho has vory good connections insido the labor Partyl. And

he does not have very good tles at all with the Connunist Party, though

ho is not by any neans anti-Communist. He's a skoptic.

(How about Bashant))

Ho has nover done anything. Never heard fron hin except onco when ho

Kita sald ve could put his nano on the board. As 195 as I knon thero has

over been any contact.

(Do they set paid 105 thie) saries.

No.

Noxt Is H28825

Read. Ho i

2747296

AmIr. Ho 18 an official of

the

(ulth hoadquarters 1n Dakar

Bconomic CORmÍS81On fOr AfTica, UN eCOnOMIC AdVIBOS 1D Dakar, 'Ho has a

vory high position inthat. He 1s Egyptian, a full member of the Egyptias

Communist Party with very very pronounced trotakylot vlows. That 18, he

fools, he has a theory about the colo of bureaucracy 1n under-developod

countries - the progressIVa and TeactIOnaLy bureauCraCy- sea fits isto

gOBOTal Trotskyist theorles but applied there. He has done fork on

Egypt, stato capitalian in Egypt. A book of his fublished roceatly by

Eleion de Minuit 1n pario, part of uhich appeared 1a Revolution, Sono

Kisn

of it was so obvlously Trotskyist that Ches, despito his somewhat partial

agroonent with parts of 1t felt that it was too obvious even to priat

1= Rovolution. Ho only comes through Paris occasionaly. His win interest

1n REvolution 18 getting his things printed. He 1s vory Interested 1n

having his things published. He is very cynical about nany of the Alrican

States. His articlo on Senegal appeared recently in Revolutina, In French,

I thiak 1n No. 12. It tas witten under & psezdonyn bysata and based of

tha UN ECOnONIC COmMISSIOn fOT Alrica research, stull that he coulda't

Like valet

BRY 11 h1s O111c1al pittancktas Capacity, (Remudoczar) bajatto,'

'yos.

Ho 18 not overly pro-chinese. He feels that the Chinese philosophical

position isn't quite adequato, the tootatol 1de0logical sodel 18n'%

adaquato 10r under undeveloped countries, certainly 105 AlrICa.

((Do you kaot bin- Hon old 16 ho)

Tos I know b1s. Ho 18 1a his thirtles. About 35. Marrlod. He 18 Egyptian.

a tie

He 18 anti-lasser really. Ho fools that the Egyptlan Communist Part bas

feet and seri

really abdicated any constructivo role inside, Reypt, even from the

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concentration crups there they were hold putting out socrot ciradestino

tracts supporting lasses, which was the crazlest thing l've ever beard.

Bocause How they've been Ilberated fe in fact the old Communlsts are non

boing alven vory high organizational posts in the non Egyptian Party, ded

Marklan to extranoous to Arab socialiss bit thoy

lies LutE 1a ¿nGlo. Adù the aruip that are under

Soviet Influenco are perfectly willing to go along with thist.

* (Is ho pro-anything 1a By/sypt))

No, I think that ho is sort of resigned to thahorents of hitüty. He

saRlyzes that he considers stato capitalist developrents, the rise of a ser

bureaueratle eladle clara, tha officer blees and be tries to shoo 1a hia

writlags how the officer class has crushed the old land-ownlag Yardiat

sullag class wbich had its links with British and Fronch financial

latorests, and has, on consolidated 1te011 10 pomera god there deidscertal

social nobillty, but for them only. In othor vords, hon linitod 1t 1s aad

tao officor casto certals i its

sinctionaries a but 8+111 tho

problen of the nassas rosalas.

(does ho concern himsell vory much ulththe state of EBYPt?)

Prom an acadenic point of viar only.

He's nore acadenic. He's not over

particularly comraed wih rovolution. Il you vant his address. solboro

Hot tho do to hare-Marcos ferrer-That's Colombla, I don't know

anything about it. It probably stands fOr DI. Lolva

SEMPER

Sitesos the Mode

IN Par18. Ho 18 a Colomblan doctor, the ropresentativo 1n Parle of the

MONC. He is the one who conducted negotiatlons with Verges for & Spanish

odition 11 Colombla, I assino karcos Portes fellartá) to bo a pseudonya.

Darre Frene

Exudes, Cinvalla, next os the 1187, 18 a meabes of the ladla CORESeE

for South AfriCa, She vas a cortespondent o1 Revolution In Dar es Salaan

and she publishad a sagazino called Sporheade untll she vas expellod sIon

TaRsayIka under 2 cloud nad accused of beins i testors 8p - Tho accuratioas

vero not nade oponly. She vas knova to have contacts vith the footora

Most Gornen Subassy. She rocolved lest German Honoy fIon the Carl Bbert

Foundation and actually printed Hest Gorman propaganda 11 the her sagaziso.

She had gone to vost Ceralay and done thie so oblously that Tenant sorra

she couldn't have beon vory sophisticated about it because 1t vas just too

(oper. She was accused, of having told the sorlet tabeary al having ollored

to carsy laformation tor the Sorlot Imbassy, volunteerinel as a contes

& South AfrIcas Connunlet, to siro then Inforastlos, tro-thlrds of which

turaed out to bo totally molois and false, valch agala night have let to.

Ingratiato horsell. =I thanarko She vas hero 1a London after sha var

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axpolled, l'm not cortain ol the esact dates. She vas almo kaova to haro

Blopt around with loust avory Ministor of the langanylkan goverarest

Including Jullus Nyorore. This is one of the reasons why there mas so such

bushhush about her, that she had obvlously gotten a lot of information out

of those follors. She was very close to Oscar fanbona and the clalmod that

Oscar lambona was going to set has back into the feroiga Maistry.

sho was just Revolution's corsespondent thore. She did practically

nothing. Than she got out, she nanaged to koop bor little office 801n8.

They didn't seize anything, and she turned over themailing list of hor

Spearhoad

'Por a

Amagazino to RevolutIon. Verges had pald her £1000 T, deposit soastia sho

could do sosa rost but sho reallyalde't do anything, but she, unliko

Bose no 1118118, turned over the unspent portion of that to verses when

she camo to london. She vasn't interested really a continütig her

vork with Revolution.

Being tallan of course posed problem mee

for her with anything to do vith the Chinese. She nas very close to tha

Indian community, his anyone sho looks through that aa1liag list will see

so bave lots of misslonas" Indian businessages, and so sorta 1a Bust

Africa, who voro taking subscriptions to the magazine nore of less out

of Islondship and solidarity with anothor indian. They didn't carenuch

whother she vas a Coumunist or not.

She was supposed to have been the mistress of DI. Dadu. At loast Eif

they say she slopt with Dr. Dadu and they had a very close relationshipy

to his. DI. Dedu

18 the prosident of the Indiza COngress fOr

South Africa and a seaber of the Comunist Parts/ of South Africa,

carries

a very important nemberp. BEcause Iüall -the hertong tiny holdings

the Indian community has holdings up and down Bast Altica, Mozambique

as roll, their solo 10 the liberation struggle is very equivocal •

Obviously the Africans want to 80 aboad whilo the Insteds Indians are thirk-

menaced tem-wue

148 - Difff vollen ones

Africanization menut to the Titta Tadians

Ibo English used then no a sort of buifor,, proferted to bring an iodlas:

clerk to last Africa rather than to train an AfriCas. That mas-a typical

colonial nanouver but now 1t has put tho Indlans in a situation historically

ubich 18 untonable, 105 a long perlod. You knon people talk about nulti-•

racial statos but 11 last Africa 1t 18 & Joke. It ron't hold up. I don't

thiak it will, aayway.

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sarges 145575790 ti

paTRe IndIan, COngreEs Of South AIries 18 solatod to the ASTICAl National

Congrosa, the Solored peoplo's congress, all of this 1n a so-called

COngress Allianco, She had contacta with the Africard- the AND peoplo.

Tho ANC people hero 11 Londor, They, vero suspicious of hos, arrozz.

But sho managod sonchor to got back 1apt sho vas 111, she vas in

hospital, Sto was hurtin an auto accident, and she had to have a vory

complicated bono operation. That put her out of action for sono time.

I don't know, but I hoard that she 1s now back la tangaayika.

Sho may noll bo, Sho has quito a bit of money; dos laally bas nonoy.

Of courso the Indiass do have noney, sho did very littlo lor tha sagarleo.

sho occasionally told ne about people la the ANC who wight do sorothlar

for the magazino. But most of the people she told no abut vero members

of tho South Alrican Connualst Party. That party has takon & PrO-HOBCOT

stand and most of its people don't want to do apything 105 Revolution i

though To aid have articles by Bryan Bund nothe

another South African Comunist.

That was before their party took their stand on the Sino-Soviet conflict.

And there 18 a struggle going on right now inside of the ANc.

That's a long conplicated thing. That has nothing to do with Rovolutin.

(On my 11st hero do haro Diallo))

Diallo 1a, an advisor 6l the Prosident 0l kall- rhetio sue bates

Modewa

kaida..

Maarriod to a French roman, te Lostist, ho knows Torges through irlondship

and offered to holp. He put bin la. contact with

who 18 Minister of Inforsation, who 18 very, very pro-chineso.

(In Hal1)

over

Ba,

Tos, Then Chou on Lal Vialted Hall, you recally that he got quito

comaltted.

There were sons gratuitous, open haaded slaps

Thoros nothily vary much. He just knew hin.

(T648-+8 18818-020-08-507800 atteapto-to-baVok TITIAnother African

_conutry..r

(Verges)

I dida't sonzion, ulth phomjooab, one of the roRsons that ld kopt

Anoabeah nas proabeah's connection tith Odiaza, 1f la Losya.

phombeah at one time had hoped to ba nado the secretary of this sou

Lumunba Instituto there, "''''Kalrobs. Torges, odd as it say soon, bad at

one t1no, proposod hinsell as a sort of security aduiserato Odiaza.

No falt that he continued to pay Dennis Phonbeah for dol u8 nothing

nataly to koop a 11no of communication opon to odiage, llo had not odiasa s

257-2c2

but got nowhere with him. In Alglors ho was settl

La Chisols

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(President of Hall,

Kelts.

3188 Marriod tO a FreAch tOnes. Laltist.

i shoes forges through fElondshop aed

who 18

Who 18 vosy TOTY prO-Chisssor takell,

Aed labon Chou on Lal Visited Hall you recall that ho got quite a committed'

MalCOse*, 18 Hal1. And there nore sore gratultous open-handed slaps

tha Russians sado. Didn't have to be nade but vero.

(Hou did Verges and Diallo got together))

I don't knot. He had known his for a considorable tino. There

1s sothlag very much. This 18 agala ono Of VOrgOs's attempte to havo a

finger 1n another Alricas country. One of the reasons that he kept

Phomborh vas Phoabeah's connection uith Odinga.

-regaine

visit ten bashinine

47249451197119

MAS NONGUE: 1020

Tao he us

the

Il 15 AlgIers Do Mas referIod to as lo ChinOis, I dos't think Octaga

would accept hin.

This 1s 8 soal problos. Ho Bays, "well, to colorad peoplo and so sorth"

and it is true that he la part - he's furaslas, but it 1s very hard lor

Africans to accopt tleah...

-, Thay Just put hin dows as Chineso.

I don't kaon very much about Cama Diallo, He playod very littlo role

1a the Bagazino except that ho vas a contact inaldo 01 Mall. llo cano to

FranCe only last yoar, the spring of last yeard vith his allo. He vast

to Vichy for his health and drank the waters for tro of three weeksy

and ho sau Verses. Vortos had Ideas, had sentioned to Ches that 11 he

coulda't koop the magazine goat that he might 80 to kall. 3S til vas

was?

:801a8 to bo seat off to therevor, Virlato de Cruz Of the Angolas Pederation

O1 Elberation, as adulter, and I vas folle to be seat to indosoria por

¡tho Afro-Astes turntax Journaliats. That vas how he vas going to take caro

i of everybody.

...

'(don about Castro Da S11r2)

Castro Da S1lva 18 the pseudoRya uned for VIrlato da Cruz, POrRerlY

OS the XPIA, And DOM Of the OPA- la la a poot, açals"" lato thirtier,

martled, bao a child and la based iso of losala alelara, do has rirtamlly

no money at all. He has a suall group which vent into the upa.

Holde Roberto, the head of the lA 1s very suspicious of all. but

povertheless ho soods hia. He soods the loit. Ho has beos to Chise le

and this give bia & sort o1, 1 flyes the chinesente

guarantoo, but on the

öthor hand the Chinese dida't even vant to gire Viriato noney to translas

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7 .:

BInsoll Iron Alglers to Brazzaville, And ha vas ibreatedad by the MPLA

pooplo, abo aro 01 course soviet backed to the hilt, 1a fact noro on

De. Meto, appastuff, soro then over nor, And the A18do1a18, Bon Bolla,

who had supported the KPLA up until the great 11asco whea peoplo discovered

that they didn't have what they clalmod to have didit ande peling for

given their support to the UPA. Nevertheless, the XPLA people still

renals and they are pronising to refore and really carry out things.

1deologically

I think that logtealty the MPLA 1s such soro congenial to the Algerlans

and to

all of the

hard rovolutionary liney people.

Holdos Roberto 18 considered to be an American agent pure and slaplo

and always has bood. In actual fact, he recelved& lot of nosey through

VarlOUs Protestant MIASIODRIY BIOUpS, AneTICan protestast sdestorsioa

¡sa/no hincel! 1s a Christian Protestaat, Theso t1o-ups bara helped there!

Bightists to back hia.

Ho did 30 018 to Chine, made Some Tale hou

The Chineso haven't mado any real decisivo cholce between the XPLA and the

UPA. Thay're just valting to soo who is going to be ablo to produco.

((What about de Cruz), That 18 bis function),

He has so function except to volto articles about Angola, uhich he

has dose, oss of which he aignod with his own sase. He has very littla

nondy and ho hoped that Varges nould be able to snooth the ray with the

I underate ad, -

Chineso, but alas! poor sollor, he lorrat to his horros, that

Verges

presumed

was by so neans the Chinaso agent that ho bossend hin to be. I undorstand

that ho has virtually retired iron politica. Ho is a poot. And he'd much

rathor be a poot than anything also. He told so on several oscasions flat

really

1a Parts uhes he cano to My house there for dinner thay, to uished he could

got out of the whole thing,

Lihat was do going to do, tha dida't baro a

passport, ho had airests all these people sort of pushiag bla 1a

Into this. He didn't have any noney. to didn't knou that to do.

((Ho 11ros 1a Paris))

No, Do 11vos 11 AlgOrA, He 18 St1ll 11 Alglera to, bost of my knonlodgo.

Ho 18 one of the people 1n Alglors I rould see. Il I vero to go to

Alglors I would sanctus look hin up. He's not terribly dynanic but

orento sextral threr bin up Into a leadies positlos and ho sort of stuck

there and doesn't knon hou to set out. The Chisese Haves't gives bla

the alllout support that he had hoped 105

(Holther hare thay turned hin doval)

Ko.

-it-

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K0:. 4: 50 2795 me :

ALM

(AmlIca Cabrera))

ThAt MAN a Damo uSed, sot a pSoudOlys, a lAloo seno, It doors't septesoal

anyone, 1t represents the PALNP, Of Venezuela 1n Burope, They hero a

bureau 1n Pranco. I dida't roally know then. I knou there vore sororal

printas 1o Ravolutior, Thar brought iho thinze lastla: They ard authentic.

Because whan Verges had a young French boy traveling through latin America

ho rent to venezuela. They got his lato the gueztllas. They got hin all

around. No had sone very authentic flat-hanú reports, So rhoaver they

are they aro authentic. They toro very, very cautloud, probably suspicious

OS sA beCauso I vAS an ANOTICAR, SO I sever had any coal restation.

conversation with then.

(CÉb you kaon anything about who Yorges's llat

to thom was

TO.

even w4000 1105959747

(do you know 1f he still has them)

that

I knon thienthey asked bia to renovo the nane Anilear Cabrera

and it has boes renored, focause 1t was identified with them. Ep, to then

put in a note in the twolfth French adition that in the futuro he rould

rocoive an articla fron the inforartion departnent of the FALl. They'd

Do fo0118h not to send natorial, but they didn't rant to be identifiod

u1th the editorial policy of the nagazine. This saay rolloct verlous

tendencies laside of the PALl which I hare read about- I don't knot any-

thirt, trot hand that they split botrees a bard lino, thoze who reas

guerrilla

to continue the reay, struggle and the sabotago struggle and,

to 100k for possiblo negotiated solutions, One BrOUp the Go a littlo

nare pro-Chiseso.

In any case thesa pooplo did represent the PALA, thoro 18 so doubt

about it. I didh't know any of then. They never had any desllags with no.

(Patricia Mágoman)

I knon vory little about hor. She did this book on Portugal, she tas

connected with the — she has tios with the British Consualat Party but

British

1180 ulty Frotskylsts. She nas the one who found Rosalind Alnalbo

to mork here 1a Loados los the sagazino. She la the Mistress Of & las

sanad Carlos

X'a not cortals. That misht bo 1t. Ho 16 a turopora bora la dázambique, a

Portuguese, who has bearkept solng by varlous Africas soresenta for yeara

becauto ho reprosente (lashing) fu turn, a insulfil isplence isle

tarbo what the Fresch call an Interlocatour, when they mant to call ala out

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Is ropresents nothing.

Ho's a sort of hopoloss person. She's a rory

dynante roaRs. Tortos clatred that she had becons a pollce 1al0rxesa 108

the Algorlas pollco, and that deran she talked to very oppoetter groups

occasionally, aheshalton to lanant of the Salara Exilex party 1a A1810ra.

But she no longer has anything to do with Revolution AlrIcalDo. Idas's

', Matt

kean what sho to sotag. She woutds't have anything to do uith Vergos alter

the sonont that she rejused to go to lausanno. You coo, barre

((1by))

thoro

Thy did she refuse to 80? Nell, she coulda't leave Carlosy by himsall.

God knone what rould happen to his. Secondly, she badato ranted to be

magazine 1a saltzerland, the nagazinglatorost ras socondary to hora

BARN

reasoa 1or bolafulta tao ead of tho portuguese colonial rulo la coa, ho

should have gone lift back! But sell he had bean a Gorn revolutionary

Mith tha portuguose opposition. POT JOTe he hug, boes 19 Rabat booked up to

¿ho, at that ilee it vas the CONCD, Conteronco tily 2u, tini Mattonaliero

des Colonies portugueto, uhich grouped together theleno rhat lateria

camo to bo the Palimo and the NPLA. It vas part of the kard liné couatri

There was another one alsowhere which vas soft line. Braganza vas also

Rayolution Africaine f•.-

BOTt O1 advises to the magazino, "l questions of India and 80 OR. He stajod

on and worked with Mohanned Harbi and case to London.

8((D1d ho baro anything to do vith Patticia Micgovan))

Yos. They had been together in Babat.

.

((Did bo havo anything to do with Carlos)

Jos. It's all the sano croud. But Carlos vas valtlag for destiny to

call his and Braganza had already lost his chance. The Indians had got 1n.

Thay'd llberated Goa, so what next, you know. Go back to India. He obviously

vass't going to go back .Ho vas 11n1a8 too voll, as 1t vas. Aody la cos,

sobody knew hia 11 Goa. He vas a Goas educatad 11 Portugal. One of these

Apooplo rgatty nithout a real nattonal identity. He know that ho wasn't

Portuguese and had this feeling of alleration Iron Portugal, "hich sado

bia 11x0 nostfos the colonialeft studonts there-- the XPLA really started

1a Portugal-nado bin as oppositioniet. He dida't have enoughly roots vita

tho honolaad, So bo!s just sort dol floatiay around. Els viso la a school

toacher. He speaks excellest fresch. He vas norking for Revolution

AIFICaLDO. I dOn't knON 1I DO 8t111 18. I'a COTtAla hO! 1l I1ad BONethIng e

to do. He'll never go back to Goa.

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(Tale polate up the nood for a contiaulse serolution, phas the revolution

1a completed))

a bureaucrat 1n Rabat and other places.

МАСВОПАІЇ

That I don't know. I don't know how he gatokarennianskritt hor la

I 1nagine he net her

the bogtan1a8o actory in Rabati

He used to go to Morocco quito ostes

and had contact with all the Airican, ilo'rtco people there. I suspact

that's

yaro ho not hor.

Hak such ta those guys))

Hor you're got Harbl. No was Itists, the person who replaced vergos.

He's out nox, but to, du clatter ' told by Andereron, ho hasse

has his oat t0 the ground 1a Alglers as voll as in Sultzerland, that Harbl

18, In a VOTy 8ood positIon. He 18 ODo Of the loadisE advisors to Bes Bella,

roprosents the Left position. He's a Trotskylst, of a Irotakylat synpathiaer

ulthout any forsal OffAnizatIoRals tles. Do 1s vosy close to the Pablo loutjo

That's Michal farot! Ho's pablo, sia lio could'at have ovarlooked bla, ~>

ho's a foatura 01 Alflors 1150, lo played an extremoly iaportét solo 1a

tho RETArIaN COlOTA, la, NO NSPO Of aETarIas rolora tbat vas dobe to do

carried out. He cano dous on the Yugoslay nodel, that 1s colloctives ubich

Th

aro privatoly onned by the collectives and run of profit nodel, that 10 in a

des Blens Vacants

Harbin they moro all lasido 01 this Bureau de blee

which/¡bocano the Bureau of the Soclallat Sector. I once did an articlo for

See Koathly Revior, "86 I knonjall about how it operated. that really

happosed vas that the Europeans fled Just Deloron junt after Independeaco,

axin all ould havo, considering what they had done ant thoexpected

& blood bath. The blood bath sover took place. It vas ra lacredible •

Thet was one of tho most lncrediblo thiags to no la Algerla vas that the

Algerians dida't -

(Bocause the storios nore horr11y1n8. You kaon what happenod. A sonts or so

borose, hospera just moot las arorybody on the stroot, tryias to prorado

thes, and the diacipline of the Jilt ILN VaS Incredible. Nobody rould

ahoot back, so matter what they did, 30 they fled did nor lost all tele

these faras.

Me it it mão à question of ploughias and sodiar, There

lo cely a cortala timo of yoar that you bereto do this, This had to bo

organized and 1t vas organized almost spontaneously locally, Aldaties

Falo vas vort of Institutionalized lator, attentions as accomplished

tact. Ther want sone sort of a anto

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dida't knon hou and the 1a8t1tutlonal1z108 01 1t vas really directod by

these trotskyists. There vas Pablo, Harbl, & French latyer nened Hatthieu

Iron Grenoble who had been lavolved with the PLN, and be, bagase sort of

logal adviser of Blons Vacants, which vas vaguely under the juriediction of

the Ministry of Agriculture which vas at that tino under Oner Usgan

Who 18 nor Minister Of Stato, and DiroCtOr Of Revolu:i-3 AlriCaiIo =

prosent. Ho replacod Harbl.

Harbl is dooply resented by the aruy alenonts which are pro-du

¿BYptian. HoMever, the ArMY, despity Its rollglous Isolinatlog, had

Its socialiat blas and rould like to soo note contralization, moregos an

Bryptian nodel. In other rords, they rould Ilke to seo much nore control

Iron the contes than this confused typo Of roglonal of local control.

They lool that In the long run the business of the private collectivo

onership Is 801n8 to cafuse trouble.:.It's sled all right 11:1t 18a rich

Lyou

aro in.

oso, but what happens 11/ttads a poor one? You don't spoit profit, you

split a dolicit. Obviously, accordiaz to the Yugoslav model, the étato

Intervenes. The State taxes the rich ond, and thes distributes subsidlos

to the poor ones, but this a debate that 18 8t1ll BOlD8 On 1a AlgOria, Deed

Corsusly abough these trotskylats bato boon incontact, vory close contact,

with tha Yugoslava. As you socall, the campaiga, the so-callod campagno

i win nee

ragoslay tractors which turned out to the great deception, of sose of the

Algerians not to bo Yugoslar but to be Amorican tractors put together

1a Jugoslavial undor licenso.

(This 18 getting us a littlo bit tejr allold))

tils is harbi and this is the group. Harby-ropresents the lording

ulthis the PLN

spalesues of this sort of Trotskylst-leaning Loft group,

¡ and his post 1s

still vory high, even though he ia no longor Director.

(Thes vas ho dropped)

(Usgan

I think last sunner. Its not certain. MIth luna 1t has bocone such

- tha Muord Socialisa appears 1n Arabic becauso 1t

18 folt that Soclallen 11 Fronch doesn't have the sane noaning 25 1t has

In Arable. It's vory central sily, sade reprosents the vory muddled mind

UsgRa 18 a full nonber of the Communiet party of Algorta but

Do Jait foxAatoRallet reasona mies they refusad to dupport the roballion, dul

Joined the PIll. Ills u1lo 18 supposed to be fanatically rollelus and has

ando hin noro soligious then bo ves..

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VEgturning to our first subject, Strelkol1, In do a prectielnd jou?))

No.

(Just an athale Jon))

Yes.

(Noxt on the list here 18 Robert M1lllans}, Macover nade this up

calls bla an Americas In Paklng.)

But thoro nas bo ton

Ho's 1n Havana,, Do vas In Peking recently and ho pay still be thero,

105 that nattor. Ho vent on a second trip to the far Bast, Me to vas 1a

ono of the countries that had a colobratios. I thisk ho vas 19 Ban01, 11

In not mistakos. Ho Mas In Asla, He aay still be there.

Robert Milllans 18 a Negro, fOrmer President of the Unlos County

Horth Carolina branch of the NAACP, uho had a holl Of a battle on his

sover had soon it, shadest fa that part of the south, anyway, the swall

towns of tho

I gentlonen's

tom-sata. Up until recently thero's been sort of/Embers agreement 1s

the south that the Negro clull rights groups nould 8o into the ble cities,

where thoy would be reasonably protected. But they had to loave thera

#1l-lana

Tural aroRE alone because they couln't expect ust let a courso, uns a

there 18 no doubt,

Jia groat embarrassment to everybody, truckbrtottomach

7115889p

(NAACP

and they nere on his back. He got no sympathy fron the ordership. Sal

Be first came to

1 Stant lan atlonal prominance alter a case 08,

obrious lajustice where

"somo local

a th1d0 man tag, done soething to a Nesto woman and bogjury had throwe it

our i apoll 1s a can't got justica la the courta vo'11 bere do taka

justice 1a Our own hands." Es lust newer wollas But oven the fact that

leaders vory upsot. Do tea tenediatate,

particularly the Trotskyite, Hit the Communists, cano 18, and tried to

tato hia over. They did to !!

Liste

another case, locally called the kissing base, ThO NegrO boyA, you nay havo

board of 1t, vere sentenced to indefinito terms in prison for having kissed

a 01x-y02r-01d volto firl. Do vas lavolradha that nad agala, It vas the

IrotslyItes who cane to bia supporti

sex with other liberal groups.

In taras of organizational support it vas the Trotskyltes. I heard of him

at the tine I nas la CBS and I thought that 1t was vory understandable and

Seat bla a noRBaO of support. I net bia at the tina ol the ranco conforence

1a How York In 1959% and when the IPCC vas lorned ho vas anong the elgat

Negroes tho were anong the 30 founding sembers, to the great shock of

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Of the Connunist PRItY Of the Valted States, utich did not particularly

apprOva Ol soolse the tro 1ssues alxed, Cuba and Joa Negroes.

N1111ans, VOry rolatile, a very detorained perBODy On a local loval,

has so ability thatsoner on a sational jila lovol. He has bocone a Byabol

nou to Negro youth in particular, as a Negro uho 18 not an Unclo Tos, uho

w111 11ght, isk No knew fait what as conlag 1n the sunner o1 61,

national exocutive of tho NACP, OubarIaSSBODt IOT the JustiCo Departuent,

and nore than 1HX embarrassment) Terry Sanford, uho vas the Governor, and who-

antond told him, "I miah you vore doad, Period." Darl Finally, by one

os those rinkon of leto, there das plenonstration oner a sulaales pool.

rory didn't want to integrato the pool. They juet ranted to orla la It.

But the local people sald they dids't mant to do that becauso they sould

have to change the natos, and it would take too such time to change tha

•40048

vator altor Negroes ivan in the Water. 3o they had some demonstrations.

W1111ans as alnost nurderod Ba One of these occasions. The denontrations

voro sotting pretty violent. And then Kind sent 1a sona Freedoa Riders tho

JoJo solng to shor then hor non-violence matthis was going to work 1a this

tors. They decided to nato an examplo. So lilliams sald,

"I'= golag to got

out of this. I don't want anything to do with your son-violenco. But

you go ahead and I'll seo that happens.".

( отод

Moll the non-tiolent dononstration becanajnora violento there voro

peOplo shOtP. TheTA veTe arTOBtE. TheIe vas an BAglish firl thO soN lIgutes

here in the British Trotskyist paey, uho vas over thoro. People voro comlas

XIron all over, roports in the Buropean press. - The rumor vert around -

M1111ans now hed nothing to do with thie, to vas just sort of staying there

Baying vall you seo where non-violance gots pou - but there vas a report

that they were going to lynch they people who had boon arrested. As olton

happons in thesax this typo of thing the Negroes and unites, le outaldo vaitas

UDO toto Involtod, roally cano 1n IOT a bíll of a beating, and do in tho

Ph1ladolph1a, M1881881ppl, caso, they, have boen killed. Milliano, vas nore

or JoEs a victle of the noldo the legro comunity rhich sald ro'ro sot to

do soothing, No'to got to free these peoplot, got then out 0f ja1l."

So had area, includia coò nachiao gues, ubich had been purchared 1a

for forky and sent donn there. They didn't use then beckune they got scarod,

Jout they had arso. The cosmunley ras assad, too peoplo, out la the streat

In front of his housoy whea a car with a maito couplo, cano dova valé roado

It was surrounded and that ate told to pot out. the croad rested to serted

them up right lere, torero

kuax This nas cane fIOn & solghboring

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They sa1d, no youfro a membor of the

Han in this tore. They wasted to k111 hlay of hold ble as hostage.

M1111ans sa1d, "bring these pooplo in ny bouse and you know I won't let

them go!' He called the Sherliff. and said, "Jook, I have these people bore

and my peoplo are very upset and I vant you to know that I don't want

an$thing # to happen to our people that you have in the ja11. "'The

Shor111 Innediately called the National Guard, State Troopers and that

sot. They, couldn't hold out very long. Milllans escapod. Jullas Mayfield

• *ell knova

vas there'' a Tegro uriter who now lites in Chana ag a gosult of this.

& Nogro nonan Iron Ney York uho vas there

arrested and convicted and sentenced to

the case 1s on appoal not.

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spirited across the Valtod States/al knen vaguely where ho was, but

so, opt vory caroxull or cubas abd by Mosto drouga la contact alta tio

•Cubans, to Canada, Froa Canada ho vas 1107a by privato plane édity (ses).

Castro biaself, to Havana, rhero ho 1, now.

On two occasions the ful cano to no asking for In'ormation about

"1ll1ans, and I dana sure van't 801ng to giro any tantatille of what 1

knew. To had trled to get in touch with Bobby Kennedy hinsell. I had

Bont jas tolograns. I oven tried to get a telephone call 11. Because l

Congreedo

know that was going to happes on this thing,,

to got some kind of Fadoral

(tho most sickening things that I over saw

intervention, → It was one of those sickening thlngs- ha

They wanted him out of the vay. Even tharit they cano to se lator-

tro of the agents cano to the PPCC Offico in New York, They Bald, "llo have

500 agents. No'll get hia. Ho'll never got away! Holl, ho was away at

that thats point. His aunt died sedatasy in New York around that time.

They rent to the funeral parlor where the body was and put a wanted &

postoron ill colin to sto die would con. loally, they should have

boos throws natunds their bords, Irankly. II It hadn't bean Negroes I'm

certals they mould never have done that sort of thing, The troublo vas-

atten taylor, but to,

attendes ^

Anyhoro b5 it 1o, Villas In not a Communist, ho's not a

who's just had esough. Boally, you

Prosskylto. Ho's a 10ra0r Mario, dad ho's turned into a aworld-vide figure

Knot. And son be has turned into a vorld nide Ilgurg becauso peoplo like

sobby Kennedy and others could not just/try to see that could be done about

It-d It was Do use, though, I moes, 1t'8 no use now. hastende

and everybody."

(Toll, that's too bad, Just like the case of these boys, talter son, dad

so on. And thay'te not the only ones. tag, for every Malter Bon there

must bo at loast a hundred,. I must say, I vould no moto vant to Ilvo 1a

the States now — you're soine to really soo sootina. I don't reallo

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Surely

Varges wanted sonobody fron Pakistan on the board.

1l0/Ba1d "!'?.

cortain that tho Mulana Bashanl Kabo u1ll agree.

((That would be Hulana Abdul Hauld Bashant))

That's right. He's sonotines callod kihn as a titlo of respoct.

Ho's a 70 Or 80 yearz old nan. He's called the ded Hullah, sort of 11ko

the Red Dean of Canterbury..

(He's tho loador Of ODe Of the last Pakistan parties. Ho bad loos to Chine

and vas quito pro-Chinese. Ho vas nore than willlng. But he had absolutely

no contact whatever vith the sagazine.

8 (rosa ho coma la to roplace lara ALars)

Yes.

((How J048 d1d Hange Alars work vith the sagazipa)

You rould have to check the iscuesp of the English edition. He vas

thoro until aligitly before ve dropped Rosallad Alaslbe." That would be y

Hay of 63. right up to spring of 64.

(((D1d Hansa Alavi do apything actually)or att to just

found

He, got manuscripts and so 01. He actually did the work that Phonborh

потот did. & But that nas all. And it was sort of contre coour with bin

bocause ho did not agroo with the thing. Ho had the idea that the nagaziao

sort of

botrees

all sorts of revolutlonary novenents. But when it becane very obrious

that verges wanted d to try it that flat, of loast, to stay with the

Chinese 11no, At It particularly hueuse of xhta 10011ngs about the

situation in Pakistan and ho wann't happy. Also on the question of India,

do felt that the Chinese poslt1On TIBA-Uls Indle MaBn't Just, and ho

and actual solldarity beteen Pakistas and China.

"so ho was through amicably, That is the present rolatlonshlp

betroondlari and Verges))

I doubt 11 ho has any at all. He 18 vary activa hero 1a londos

w1th Pakdstant groups, Ho has nonoy, Hls vilo"s lanily has sonoy, bla

ous faally has. It vass't a questios of nonoy for bin.

(Has ho contimed to do actto la Alrioralan thIngs)

Ho's an academic. Haters The Soclallat Roglster publlahed last year by

_ an articlo on Imperialisa by his. Ho 1a activo arouad

the Londos School of Econonics. He 1s known to the acadenle Loft, Irlonds

Volth the boys who do Loft Retion and 80 02. Els only practical nork would

Do working with Paklitaul groups, for instance dur th

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tat warti

tho Torios san ln sevoral constituenclos Pakistanl indepondent candidatos

In the hope of broaking the labor voto, hoplag that the Pakistania rould

¿F¡roto 105 theso Pakistanl Indopondento. Hamba norked with the Labor party

1a thoao constitteactos, to countor this ad festiontty they vore quito

suCCOssIul. He has very good connections insido the Labor Partyy. And

ho does not have very good tles at all uith the Connuniat Party, though

ho 18 not by any noans anti-Connuaist. He's a skoptic.

((Hon about Bashaat))

Ho has soror dond anything. Netor heard Iron hin except onco ubes ho

nda sald no could put his sano os tha board. As far as I kaor tharo has

novor boen any contact.

(0o thoy 8ot pald for ths8)e.

.

No.

Riad

with beadauartorg in Dakar

Bcononic Com1881OR 1Or Africa, Un OCOnONIC advisor 10 Dakar, lo has a

vory high position inthat. He 18 Sgyptian, a lull nember of the Egyptlas

Comunist Party with very very pronounced Irotskylot vious. That 18, ho

fools, he has a theory about the rolo of bureaucracy 1n under-develupod

countrios - the progresaive and reactIOaIy burosuCracy- 1X1 11ts Into

fOBoTal Trotskylst theorlos but appliod there. la has done tork on

Seypt, stato capltalian 1n Bgypt. A book of his fublishod rocontly by

Edicion de Minuit

tieros the c 1n Paris, part 0f which appeared 1n Revolution. Sono

03 1t vas SO obulously Trotakylat that calã, despite his somerhat partial

agreoment with parts of it lolt that 1t vas too obvious even to priat

1n Revolutios. He only cones through paris occasionaly. Hls nain interest

In REvolution 18 gotting his things printed. He 1s very interestod 1n

haring his things published. Ho is very cynical about nany of the African

Statos. Bis articlo on Senegal appeared recently in Revolutios, 1n French,

I think 1n Mo. 12. It tas witten under a psegdonyn bisada and based on

tha UN Icononie CORNiESIOn for Alfica research, stull that lo coulda't

say la hie oficial pathuntion capacity. (Raudouza ide Talel yos.

Ho 18 not overly pro-chineso. Ho leels that the Chinoso philosophical

posttlos 18s't quito adequato, the Idototal 1do0logical sodel 181't

adoquate 105 under undevelopod countrles, cortalaly los Africa.

((Do you know hin- Hon old 1e ho))

Tos I know hin. He 18 1a his thirtles. About 35. Harrled. He 18 BByptlar.

Bo 18 ant1-123505 roally, No sools that the Seyptlan Comunist Partif, sueles

:roally abdicated any constructivo rolo inalde, BEypt; even from the

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Marags Гань

Fine Omarace.

concentration caups there they vore bold putting out secret clandestino

tracts supporting lassos, which was the crazlost thing l've ones board.

Bocauso dom they're been 1lberated fe la fact the old Communists aro son

bolns B1ven Tory high organizational poste in the sou Blyptian Party, dod

COmmUnIsE artiEs to estraneous to Arab sociallen but they

Soviot influesco are porfectly w1lling to 80 along with this"'.

$ (Is ho pro-anything 1a 8jsypt))

so, I able that so la sort of soolead do tearents as houry. do

analyzos that ho considors stato capitalist developmonts, the s18e Of a sew

buroaucratle middlo class, tho officor.

¿lass and ho tries to shou in h1a

e1t1088 hor the officer class has crushed the old land oraleg tardlat

rullag class ubich had its links with British and Fron

Fronch financial

interests, and has now consolidated steelf in porera

and there 18 & cortals

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social nobility, but for then only. In other nords, hon llaitod 1t 18 and

the o1f1cor casto cortala & ita

but still the

problen of tha nasses ronalno.

(labor he concera hissel? vory much mittthe state of Beypt?

Fron an acadenic point of vion only. He's nore acadenic. Ho's not oven

particularly comersed uid rovolution. If you want his address. Dol doro

Mor nho do to haro- Harcos Perrer-That's Colombla.

I don't know

betapari SEMPER

anytajas about it. It probably stands 10r DI. Lolva Ritalios the Mosc

IX PAT18. Ho 18 a Colombian doctor, the represontativo 1a Parla o1 the

MQIC. He is the one who conductod negotiatlons with Verges for & Spaniel

edition 1n Colombla. I assÚno MarCOs POrTes fat lOrIÁ) to ba a pseudonya.

-Karada Frene

Axati Giovalla, nost on the 11st, 18 2 nomber of the ladía Congress

for South Africa, Sho vas a correspondent of RevolutIon la Dar es Saleas

and aho publiahed a naçasiao called spearheade until she tas espilled froa

Teaseyita vador a eloud and accused of baine e tentera spy, the accusations

Mate not nado oponly. She vas knova to have contacts uith the footora

Tost Gorarn Inbassy. Sha recoired Nest German money fron the Carl Bbert

Foundation and actually pristed lost Gerars propaganda 1a the her sagaziso.

She had gono to lost Cornely and done this so obloualy that titant horse

she couldn't have been vory sophisticated about it because it vas just too

(open. She was accused, of baring told the soriat sabraly of berted offered

tO CATTY INSOTRAtION LOS ELO SOVIet IMbRSEy, voluntourine as a consmates

& South African COmmunIst, tO sIre then InfornatIon, tro-thirds of which

turned out to bo totally asoloss and false, abich asala might hero bada to

ingratiato horsoll. =I tha sapta sha, vas hero 11 London attor she ras

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expollad, I'u not cortain of the esact dates. Sha vas also knova to haro

slopt around wich aloust avoTy Minister of the Tanganylian governmest

inclutling Jullus Nyerore. This is one of the reasons by there was so nuch

hushhush about her, that she had obvlously gotten a lot of Infornation out

of these follows. She das very close to Oscar lambona and she clalaed that

Oscar fembora was going to got hor back into the Perolga Miniatry.

She was just Revolution's correspondent there. She did practically

nothing. Then she got out, she managed to keep her little office go1n8.

Thay didn't solze anything, and sho turnod over themailing list of bor

Spearhead

1#agaz1n0 to Revolution. Verges had pald her £1000", deposit sorts she

could do sons work but she reallydida't do anything, but she, unliko

Rosal/nd Alnslio, turned over the unspent portion of that to Tergos when

she came to London. rad the wasn't interested roally in contlauing ber

rosk with Revolution. Belug Indian of course posed a problem ettheao-

Wants p

or her with anything to do with the Chinese. She was vory close to the

Indian conmunits, ké anyone who looks through that malling 118t w1ll 800

to havo lOts Of missionari Indian businessnods, and so forth in Bast

Africa, tho more taking subscriptions to the nagazine nore or less out

of Irlondship and solidarity with another Indian. They didn't carenuch

whother she vas & Communist or not.

She was supposed to have been the mistross of Dr. Dadu. At least ai

they say she slopt with dr. Dadu and they had a very close rebationshipp

to hia. DI. Dedu

1s the president of the Indian Congress for

south AIr1c2 and a seaber of the Comunist Parts/ of South Africa,

a very important neaberf. cause Tat the meth insa

the Indian connupidd has holdings up and down Bast Alrica, Mozambique

ps roll, their tolo 1n the liberation struggle is very equivocal.

Obviously the Africans vant to 80 aboad uhilo the Inadads Indians aso thia -

menacei -tem-vie

188 - M6ffe roll- otisg Africanization Beaut ho the Talk Iadianse

Tibe English used then as a sort of bullos,, preferted to bring an Indlas

clork to last Africa rathor than to trala an Africas. That vas a typical

colonial naneuver but now it has put the Indians 1n a situation historically

which 1s untenable, for a long parlod. You kaon poople talk about nulti-.

racial states but in last Africa it 18 a Joke. It von't hold up. I don't

thiak 1t t111, anyray.

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ATto ladian, COngress of South MIries 1s related to the African National

CODETesa, the folorod paoplo's congress, all of this 1a a so-callad

CORETOBE AllIance, She had contact with the Africard- the AN people.

Tho ANC people hero in Londos, Thoi, vero suspicious of her, afroza.

But she managed sonchor to got back lap a she vas 111, she vas in

hospital Shoves hurtín au auto accident, and she had to have a very

complicated bone oporation. That put her out of action for sono tino.

I dos't knon, but I board that sho 16 now back la Tanganyika.

She nay voll bo, She has quito a bit 01 nonoy; dos laully has noney.

Of courso the Indians do have Monoy, she did very littio lor the uagaziso.

sha occasionally told sa about pooplo 1a the ANC uho aight do sonothlag

for the magazine. But most of the peopla she told so abut vero members

of tha South AlIICan Communist Party. That party has takes a pro-MOsCOT

stand and nost of its people don't tant to do anything for Revolution,

sitiush to did have articles by Brys but other south Hen Coman.

That was before their party took their stand on the Sino-sovlot conflict.

And there 1s a struggle going on right now insido of the anc.

That's a 10ng complicated thing. That has nothing to do with Revolutio.

(On my llst hero to here Diallo))

Diallo 18,20 advisor 81 the President Of Hal1- Mbitiouse alle=

Modena

ka1ds...

Harried to a French roman, t7 Lolzist, he knows Torges through friondship

and offered to help. He put hin in .contact with

Who 18 Minister of Inforsation, ho 1s very, very pro-chinese.

(In Hal1)

committed.

Tos, Then Chou on Lal Tiaited Hall, you rocally that he got quito

There verA sone gratultous, open handed slaps

over

re,y

раз

Thoro's nothtat very ruch. He just knew bin.

(Th18 18 18218-090-01-705808-atteapts-to-Dato l TIPOX 18 another Alrica!.

countrys

(Verges)

I dida't sention, w1th phoajoosh, one ol the reasons that he kopt

(rombeah nas prombeah's connection with Odinga, if in touya.

Phombesh at one tine had hopod to bo nade the socretary of this new

Lumumba Instituto thoro, "''''Nalrobl. Torges, odd as 18 say soon, had at

one tino, proposed hinsell as a sort of socurity advisorito odiaga. "

indee

No falt that he continued to pay Dornia Phonbeah for dal ng nothing

mainly to keep a l1n0 of connunication open to Odinga. He had net Odinga

but got nonboro with him. In Alglers do vas refitsaot 10 Chinois

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_ProsIdest Of Hall,

xxx MarIlad tO a French vones. Lastist.

Be knous verges through friendship

Ia cobtace griered to help. de put ala

5 man by the name-of Magorazo (?)

Who 18 MInister 01 IRIOTRAtIOn, "hO 18 VOrY VOSy pro-ChIseser toulall,

sad jabon Chou on Lal risited Hall you recall that ho got quito a committed"

volcone*s 11 Mall. And there mere sone gratultous odes-handed slaps

the Russians nado. Didn't have to bo nado but voro.

(Hou did Verges and Diallo got together))

I don't kaon. He had known hin for a considorablo tino. There

18 nothlag vory much. This 18 agals one of Verges's attempts to havo a

finger 1n anothar Alricas country. One of the reasons that he kept

Phonbeah vas Phonbeah's consection with Odinga.

→ Micet the lady ssie deno

he usas.

Il 18 Al8lor8 ho vas roferted to as lo Ch1r018, I dos't thiak odtaga

the Kunyans

vould accopt hin.

This 18 a real problon. He says, "voll, da colored peopla and so loTt'

and It 18 true that he is part - he's furaBlas, but it 1s very hard for

AirIcans to accopt tleah...

-, They just put his dova as Chineso.

I don't knot very such about ema Diallo, He played very littlo role

1a the Hagazine except that he vas a contact 1as1de ol Mall. lo cano to

(44),

FIRsCo early last yoRr, the spring of last yeard with his wife. He vent

to Vichy for his health and drank the waters for two or three vealsy

Ken

and he san Verges. Vorgas had 1deas, had sentlosed to Chen that 11 be

coulda't koop tha nagazine gong that

ho might 80 to kall. 8X fide vas

wa:?

: 80118 to be sent off to uberever, Virlato da Cruz of the Angolra Fodoration

0l Ilberation, as adulter, and I vas folds to be sent to Indonesia, pos

¿ho AlTO-ABIRa desides Journlisto, Thet vas bOo he vas gOing to taka caro

of arerybody.

'(Hor about Castro Da Silva)

Castro Da Silva 18 the pseudonya used 105 VIriato de CrUz, POTAerIY

Of the MPLA, and SON Of the UPAy, la l8 a poot, açalo, lato thirtios,

married, bas a calld and lo based ito of loagle Algiate. Ho has virtually

so money at all. Ho has a suall group which vent lato the upa.

Holden Roberto, the head of the UPA 18 VOTY suspieloUs of his, but

povertheless ho soods bla. Ho soodo the Lost. He has beos to chiza l

and this Bite bin a sort o1, yo fives the Chinese a guarantee, but os the

other

hef hand the Chinese dida't oven vant to giro Virlato nonoy to translot

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B1BBO1I STON AlgIOTS tO BrAZZavIllO. And ho Mas threatonod by the MPLA

pooplo, uho aro 0f courso sovietbacked to the hilt, 1n fact nore sa

Dr. Mcto, appastutty noto thes ovor nor. And the Algoalans, Bon Bolla,

who had supportod the XPLA up until tha great 112sco then people discoverad

that they alde's hare that they elaled to have titt her if glin he

given thair support to tho UPA. Novertholess, the MPLA people still

ronaln and thoy aro pronising to relorn and roally carry out thingo.

Ideologically

I think that Lagkoally the MPLA 1s nuch soro congeslal to the Algorlaas

A hard savolutionary liney pooplo.

Holdos Roberto 18 considered to be an Americas agent pure sad simplo

and always has beel. In actual fact, ha recolved a lot of nosey through

ПіSB1ОSУ 8тOUРА

varlous Protestant alasionary grOups, AneriCan protestant ndocterstor

Asa/So h1aso18 18 a Christias Protestent. Theso tlo-ups haro belped the

Bightlsts to back hin.

them hich the ChInese vore pleased with.

io atd go off to chine, made some alin hand

Tho Chinese haven't sado any roal deciaivo choico betwoon the MPLA and the

UPA. They're just valting to seo sho 18 80128 to be able to produco.

(What about da Cruz), That 1e his function),

Ho has so lunction excopt to volto articles about Angols, uhich ho

has done, one of which he signed nith his own nare. He has very little

money and he hoped that verges nould be ablo to snooth the ray with the

". I understand

Chineso, but alas! poor follon, he loarat to his horros, that

was by do means the Chisero agent that he presuned him to bo. I undorstand

that ho has virtually retired froe politics. He is a poet. And he'd auct

rather be a poot than anything olse. So told so os several decaslors tant

11 Paris then bo cano to ny housa thore 10r dinner thayue vished do could

get out of the whole thing,

That vas he going to do, the dida't baro a

Control

passport, he had airsitos all these people sort of pushing him 1a

Into this. He dida't havo any monoy. He didn't kaon uhat to do.

(He lives 1n Paris))

No, he I1v0s 11 Alflert. He 1ß st1ll 11 Alglers to, bost of ny knoulodge,

Ho is one of the people in Algiers I rould see. If I voro to go to

AlgIOTE I Mould andets 100k him up. He's sot terribly dynaalo but

OTents NAXIAN! thIer bla up into a loadiag position and he sort of stuck

there and doesn't know how to got out. the Chisaso Havos't fires bla

tho allout support that he had hoped 10r

(Holther have they turned him dove))

1o.

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7.4

(AmlIcar Cabrera))

That uss a sano uned, sot a ploudonya, a falso lans. It doAds'8 represenl

anyone, 1t roprosants the PALMP, Of Venezuela 1n furopo. They havo a

bureau la PrAnco. I dida't coally kilOaf: I knet thero voto several

pooplo. One of they a graphie artiet, hose drariao masterdo voro

priates 18 Rovolur1o0. Thar, brnucht the things talto. Thoy, are authentic.

Bocause when Verges had a young french boy traveling through latia Anerles

ho sent to Venezuela. They got bia luto the querillas. They got bin all

around. No had sono vory authentic Just-hanú reports, So rhoever they

are they are authentic. They vete very, very cautloudl, probably suspicious

O1 no DOCRUBO I VAS 21 AReTICAR, BO I Devor had any coal doesneaton.

conversation with then.

(Cá6 you knova abything about uho Torsos's llak to them var):

(do you know 18 ho st1ll has them)

that

I knon this,nthey asked him to renove the nana fallcar Cabrera

and It has boon renoved, focause it was idontified with than. Bip to thos

put in a note in the twelfth Pronch odition that la tho suture he rould

rocairo an articlo fron the Infornation departhest of the FALM. Thay'd

Do 100118h not to send netorial, but they dide't mant to be Identifled

u1th the editorial polley of the nagazine. This maay refloct various

tendencies insido of the PALN which I have road about~ I don't know asy-

ebibe, rior-hand that the' apiet botroon a bard lisa, those was meat

guerrilla

to continue the reay, struggle and the sabotago struggle and,

a to van

to look for possible negotiated solutions. One Broup, than tet a littlo

ноко pro-Chinese.

In any case these pooplo did ropresent the PALt, there la no doubt

about 1t. I didd't know any of then. They sevor had say dozllags with no.

(Patricia Nagoran)

I know very littlo about bor. She did this book on Portugal. She vas

consected with the — she has ties with the Britial Consualat Party but

British

1180 ratly Trotskyists. She was the one who found RoBallad AlaBibo

to rosk hose 1a Londos for the sagaziro, She le the alstross of a nea

nanod Carlos

(past lanca?)

I'= not cortais. That might be It. Ho le a Luroporn bora 1a kázambique, a

PortugUesa, uho has beorkopt Jolng by vArIOus AlTICAl MOMeneNta fOr yOUre

tabe what the French call an interlocatour, when they vast to call aln out

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goriously Koto doos toon have sono Auericas support do voll or lead socro

Anorican support. Hia fathor did, I talek. '5

(DO yOU kDOM MIchaol Tabasa),

No, novor hoard of bin.

/(No como to Hasporo))

Jasporo 18 JuBt s thIrr-yereratlos French allto intolloctual uho has

a 11ttlo bit o1 nosoy, russ a publishla8 houBo, and magazino, and tho 18

extronely non-connitted la hig Loft connitsent. In other vords he 1s a

Jostlat but ho is not a nember of any party and la not roally involved

In activo polltica. His sagazino nore and nore 18 takes over by Trotskylate

That vas nat always the case.

at present fia cano roally to the 10r0 Mith the Algerias Masa ConsiderinE

the fallure of the Preach Communist Party to do saything about I

fatallactuals,

tha

the Algortan question, 1t vas athenOlt Intellectuals who vero out of the

party sho responded, who nado up the Jonson nettory, the support

Atha YLl underground in Prance, and uho did the propaganda vort and tho

gavo the support. te the Plift had french support 1t was among theno pooplo,

Bot aMONg tho CORRunist farty.

((Verges consistent efforts tol))

Tos.

To tanal away authors (I5On Naspero). I Fassas Riab

vroto for bia.

Challos, uhoa be got 1os Rovolutios AlrIcalne More IOr hia and son 18

back again vorking sor bia, tritiat for bla. ésistl also. Lieu 180.

Alsost averyona. Even I kaow hin because he published student naterial

and ho used this It ibe

-P=2

_.. _ 1s the States

and I had correspondence and I used to send hin astorial that ve had.

(Too compotition betreen Verges and Maspero- vas this a personal

as opposed to Ideological compotition),

i to

No 1t vas personal, There is very llttla ideological about verses.

I TOros 18 2a eXtrasoly fuel, personal person. to 18 soner da Ry vaya

Мих. ejau.

youver te Is & grand patTOR. He 18 extreMely generous With Honoy vies he

has 1t1 He throus 1t around. You could never go anywhere with Verges that

ao doesn't sa

at vant to pay, Then te travoled it vas dostifliés

11Tsl class, incarcanukhtagrades on a plazo. Ho It has a doop-seated

destro to Do bir,(Ão 18 a small mes, ho 18 short) to bo talked about.

He rants publicity. Ho rasts to be known. He doesn't haro any roal conalt-

sonts, I soilt think, that are torribly doep. And l'a cortala that 11

ho mao sure of money fron the other, side, but nevertheless so that h18 san

would stay big, I'll bot ho'd..

He resto

= 101=

Praction ASTOr IN Vergot Tathor vas the founder of the Conualat Party-

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Money sot for Itsall but for prostige. Altor all, Vorgos's fathor vas

¡he souados of the Conunlat party, Rounlon, somber of the Proach ABsembly.:'

In brother 1o the boad of the Consunist perty 01 15 11116-" T18bt son.?

Ho grou up in this sort of French Loft-wing uppor class, uhich lu Franco

18 A boroditary left ubich goos all the may back to 1848 or bolore.

Sono lanilios voro oxtronaly distinguished. They poatty bastr..

In Pranco lt 18

And Do 16 1a that sort 08/to Xena matter vory much la

rospoctod, necktunaptraterks just as you night respoct, klander

faully. You know that a somber of such and such a lanily obvlously sust

Da Lalt lil becauso his grandlathor and his greatgrandfathor vero.

(Маврого азала))

LABpOTO IItS jUSt latO thaI Category®

(That seno lostist horstago)"

(Does ho run his operation

On e 8elf-sustaining connorcial basis))

Maro or loss excopt that for lutanco ho published a book on Chisa

recontly, which the Chinese fabrict

subsidizod. I suspoct that

ho has recolred song ald Iron the Itallan Communist party. The Itallans

100k with great laYor On hia because of his openness, his critical approach,

b1B AAt1-Stalla1sa. AnderEsOs says he got nonoy fron the Chinese 10r

th1s Abook on China.

as cotchup

Vosges has triod desperatoly to swear hin with the Chinese, but

apparently the Chinese dida't gira a dama.

(ou sald that the Trotakylata soon to be norses la on lampora)

Yes.

(Tould they Do gluing his any kind of financial ald))

I really doubt It. Tha Troddsylste sororally are ppor. #don't

sbtra-0. I thiak that what It 18, lo that ho 18 roally short of hands,

short of manuscripts, short of peoplo attaches mho can thiek and produce

sonothing, And hero are those Trotskyist-leahlig hadetotentandesa

Intellectuals who don't hare say outlot, so naturallyb.. It's just that

Do dosa's beaco doesn't have any factarles 10ollass asaiast

then, so nore and nore tend to come 18.

(Andro 30180))

Haver heard of hin.

Cather have tunes drinka,

ta R180512)

03, Inokay is & studost. Lo's Do buroau nas at all. Ho vas a studont

-at

unfrorsity of Jacks Easukay Ho distributed: 890 198az120.

Ho nevertht anythlar 0180.

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So suvor did anything else, Juat e student, scoldektaxedo

,бо

has graduatod

BoY. I think ho 1a morking 1a the goverment sonouhero.

(Did ho got pald))

No- oh yes, ho did, he got a connieslos on subscriptions. Ho got 30 _

•ono subser iptional ron studeats at the unlersity, le 010 neolo do I recall

which was unheard of. Just a stridant, and just ba

the nagaziao.

Juat a student, and just by sloor chanca ho beadied

(Ano, Mitcholo Nestre)

Oh, 1y, Alchelo Nostro trianaxatackorea Madano Mostro I don't know

Raything about. Michel Mostro 18 one of Maspero's poople, I thought it

Mas & Man. I'Yo sover not hin, don't knoT anythlag about hin. I knot

there 18 a Mlebel Nestre who has written a number of books, on the Congo-

for laspero. Had nothiny to do with Tergos älthough Verges did put out

•Mp-01292541

foolors to got this person, man or monas, to nork for Revolution.

Casters

Ho wasn't successiul.

799224

car it ous part of bis gonoral campaign of leavine

Masporo with no authors at all. fr

(ROBARGAINALIO)

" Sho's warriod. She works for the Bast Goraan nous agoncy APHA She 18

obvlously connocted with the South African Connunist party. She 1s a mauber

of tha Congross Allianco In South Africa and she 18 marriod to as Indias.

Beveral

She haspaone childrea and she lives here 1a Londos. She comes fros a

realthy famlly 11 South Africa, I Imagine. She was found by Patricia

Mygoman pinbalro to nork for Revolution. That 1loppodh after a short

perlod. They dida't know which way to go, to stick uith the Algerians or

stick with Vorgos. The business of the magazine behng pro-chinose by

N0 MOADE NAS ObVIOUS, DOT oren clear 1a vertes's mind/ the magazine vasiale

pro-Chinese-for an awful long time,

o, St as a question t bolne pro sal.

Chinose. Certalnyly not when I nas

hirod. It was Algerian, that vas all.

(Amoricans attending subversive sabotage school in Prague))

I sover heard of a subversiva sabotage school in Praguo. The Anericans

(who vare)

that I have knownfolag through Prague have gone to Havana, 231

(Botreen MOBcoN and favaRa on route))

JoB. I shot don't know anything about a subversive sabotage school.

I dos't doubt that there alebt 'bo ono. I inagine thero's ono la lashlagton

tо0.

(1 never heard of 1t. 51ther one))

(Laughs)

(Currest addresses of sons of these peopla))

Kien

well, who do you want?

Chan son, has no address. He sleeps around

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everyuhoro. Ho literally vas slooping on uy floor at one polat.

If you had told no, I could have brought my book. I gave you poopte whoa

I contacted on uy telp.

sent

Han fond

Напва

firi

I can gire you bis- 74 karsenet Boadt Loados NE 11

PAli- they have an office bere in Londos., I don't bayo such.

Algiors.

I have & bigger address book at hone.

(You meationed Dubois. Do you kaon vory such about hia proup in ha)

DI. Dubois had a number of people around hin but ho ta as alderly

nan, he vas sore interested in producing the African Encyclopoedia than

anythlag also, uhich ho did sot up before his death. H18 vifo 1s nor

one of the directors of Ghana television, She is a Ghana citizos, she has

'JeROUnCOd her AmerIcan Citizenship, There are a number of peoplo ibo aro

close to hor or vero close to Er. Dubois such as DI. Alphous Hunton? "

uão 16 an Amoricas Negro who las vritton on Africa, wanted and works los

the osclyclopoodla, „Chana Institute, ilo vas a senber of the Communiat

party of the US. I think Shirley Grahan nay havo boon a nonber. Cortainly

DI. Dubois becane & sember several years before his doath. At the time of

his doath ho vas extronely pro-Chinese and nas very to unhappy, His u1fo,

Sairly Graha Dubois, la vary pro-chineso /here 18 Millias Garder Salt,

an Anarican Mosro vriter, uho works for Ghana Fadio and who vorked with no

at tha AgOnCeITaNCe PreSSO in Paris. Sulth 1s close to Shirloy Grahas,

or was, Martlaldi There 15 a firl by the same of laya Angelou, mho vas

married, still sarried but separated, to fors representative of the PAl?

I south Airloz, 1a Accra. He has been renored iron his post los aisappropria-

tion of funds- Muetsi Mako. Those are the ones that I kaon of.

(Subsidiary question- Hannos and Steel trap »

Ian The Hanner and Stedl Group in Boston is an alleged Chinese group that

(rey an)

operatos in Boston, forner nexars of the US Connunist susan party.

Astor a period of laactivity has suddonly becono active and not sore thas

afo

While Iaas out of the country, uithout any offort on uy dasta

Tro rocont publications, hate la soodos, which vete sent to ay London

addross. So sospose heral someplace, has ront then ay son addross.

detries,. Theem

Vory intoresting that they should have it. to had as exchange atta the

As Rovolution, but I had not kept this ne up. They have just formod a

so-called Nor Inglend party of Labor uhich is supposad to bo tap

Chinese

party, Harxist-Loslaist party,

118 opposeda

and they giro the reasoas for

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thols oppos1t101, to the satredntatistax progresalve tabor group and

tO the POSITe POC, PrOvISIOnal OTERAlLADE COMMITTOO IOT a nON MarXISt-

Loniaist party which to sAvAtices nas as Old pro-Albanias grOUp. PrOgreSsIve

IrON

Labor 18 Of COUrSO a spllt-011/tho Coamuniat party and's

spilt off because

of the Cubas rovolution and civil sights question and so forth. PoC

almost

has a largo number of Negro and Puerto Rican members, / the majority of then.

Get has been

Plibas a numbor of Nogro contacts/, extrenely active in the south but

has nade sono serlous aistakes. Tun They had peoplo in Monroe, North

Caroles, dekouto astor Milliana Taking Millians placo they fide

vasto meant cocai

which 18 a ridiculous thing to do. They dids't undorstand what

sat10sa1180/10208.

This new Hanner and Stool group, which has been a sort of group without

a party, has sos announced the formatlos of this fler Bogland Party of

Labor shich

nope will be the

no, nuclous of a nOt Chinese Cosmunles Party e

1n the Unitod States.

But I don't know anything about them. (5r:!!)

(set to

(Suitzerland

(HoM 10R8 MOTO yOU In Lausanne.)

Docember

Tron March, 1983, to Soyatankus-o1 63. Then I used to go back overy

((mat contact did you saintain thero))

W1th Anderssor.

(DId you haro any Anorican contacts))

Ho. That do you sean- with the Anerican Imbassy?

(Any Arab contacts))

No. Just the people that came 1a and out of Andersson's placo. But

I dlda't. Bolas aa laerican i vas vory much avare the art yoy

vas suspicious of so. So I nado it a point not to bother.

Thore any rolationsship ulth

(roa talkod about Drapeau Rouget. Is they the Joha Llewellyn Darli

Red TLAB))

(laughiaz) Who 18 John Llevellyn Davis! That sounds l1k0 sonothia&

out 01-- - The DrapOl ROUTO ExAspErtOpaNDe 18 & BOUD Of YouRg, Treach

students, univeralty and ficeo students who had been connected all the

south group of the Su ubica 18 the psu, Lapart ne lin sócialsor

Party 1a PIRACe, This was their youth group. They nore dissatisfled withe

-- SOT INStARCO, the BOlgIan SOCtIOR" ArTS. ORo Of the boys i

Поіт

had boon in 'élan's philosophy class in to liceo had got in touch ulticia

and ho had giron then advige and helped then to fork this group, br

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or to continUe

stressinarst kenned the group and it produced a nons lottor. He had promised

then soney, They put out one issue, and he never got any soney, I board

that they sore in contact with the Clleby group down safarlise

and nerd socking some sort of rocognition there, madhnong the things that

they had pronised$& they did a sell-critician adnitting that they had

dono vrOng tu have accepted tita a superviudon and Me saying that they

u1ll sias nevor do this again.

(John Lovellyn focal Dards, you say who the holl 1e ha))

Ies.

(one talkad about Pablot In this Mehnal 83fa »

So 18 a nouber of tho Trotskyist IVth Intersational - or vas. He has

boon expelled toã his heretical vious, not that they all don't have

heretical viors, but his vero extrenoly pro-Algerian. I think he has

17484: -204549-207855

03) 303

18 18 Bolgian. Ho was arrested in Holland. He sorted fer the FLN durlug

the Var, vent to Algeria, was arrested la Holland, spont some tine 1o yall,

was releasad, surasias vent to Alglors with his vito and becare very activo

In the Bureru de Bions Vacantos,

asiaton later the Bureau door the

socalist soctor. Hillue has bul of an 1do01081eal mature

and ho has very close t1os tith the lugoslavs, dadasspite bis IrOtskylon

and ho has son boon expolled.

Do 18 also not at all persons son Erata with the Sovlete, & le has a group

callod Pabloitos €.

(Hom did be bit on Pablo))

This vas his nos de guerre, *I suppose:

N+12-491111

laternational

He represented for & unllo a majority tendency in the trotskylst novement.

becalo

*sama wed helped by the American SWP Soclalist Norkers Party. Pinall.

expolled. I don't know the ins and outs of the Trotskylsts very much.

I board of bin for yoars. The first time I saw hin in the flesh was

s1ttlng in a cafe in Algiors. I never had anything to do with him.

He used to hang out in a cale uhich vas right undes the officos of Revolutios

fricalne, which was sort of a center for luropean Loltistst and maatnot.

It the called the Case sto Very liLlially

(Did bo ever have anything to do with Revolution)

Be nado have had sonathing to do with it later with Harbi but not under

verges..

(«81 Moant 1a BurOpO, not Algiers.))

1, 100.

ara

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(1Do you kaon anything about the formerly dissident PDP Of Nontreuxh,

To Pro-Chinese Communist party of Suitzerland),

They're got 1t urong. There's only one pro-Chineso Consumist party and

that's the so-called Do Constele Sulese, startod la leat

not Hunteoux,

"Kuzarto, Olestlo's headquartors. Headed by Gerard bulliara,

& small businessnan who has becone a member of the PLP, tolt the Carpinig.

Horners

Party. Elso to Albania last goar, 'tuner, as a tourlet, and sold the

Albanians on the idea of supporting a breakaway Marxist-Loninist party, le

cano back to sultzerland and with live people forned this Swiss Communist

Party, uhlch ETer' the amesme sie f

_bostile..

at 115st, but mbea the Chinese took a noron has brawolat

View on It 11 Berno, ho vent along, sed/to nay have received sono nonoy ison

the Chinese, I don"e"lnow. But io know that he rocedved Monoy fronAlbantàa

Ho becane increasiegly quarrelsono, he was very much worried about Andersso

because adorera nt a finite priate sis apaper, to l he acee,

Hearned this offset press 1n Lausanned Anderson also vas recruiting people

for the group and he has sore connectlons inside the Communist party, the

Brillired

de had bees only a recent somber. The

Lausanne group becane larger than the verve group. I don't know what

happoned after that. But then, relations deterlorated rapidly dad both

the Albanians and the Chinese realized that they had nade a drastic mistako.

Buj1llard then phoned the Albanians zad the Chinese 1a Borne and told then

Ahat 11 ho didn't roceive 3000 francs by a cortain tino of day that he

Bullllard about bla.Then by fot a delegation and vent to the Federal Council,

to the Parlianent 11 BorRo, had they nade an open publie demoni

that

this Ior01gn agest, this Stodish satlonal, who had takes advantage of

Suisa Motialidey, do expelled. The Podoral Polico camo 1a. They banned

Land there was

the sneral blowup.

Revolutlon They didn't got very far, except that son it 18 suspected that

¡ lafore os lose subaldized by the salsa polico, that he 1s koeples te

potasiand his group, 1s dora to about 15 peoplo, according to Andersson.

No ortouaty it all mount of pose, 1C 2g 19 305 el 42-

Engchiase. Ho/told Anderson

he proposed /that, Andersson retire iron

politics, 13: ho rould homemade be paid the sun of 5,200 Swiss france,

The reason for this vas ha vanted to teep the alnoograph sachine that

Do bad firon bla and ho vas deductle I ebink be

mantod 7,000 STARCa altorother/ for his exit fron polltics,

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but ho vas willlag to deduct the price of the ainpograph sachine.

Ho didn't rocolre that olthor. No be can't do considerod vory (Iaportast).

At ons polas, to thon you hou silly ho 1a, do sno la contact alta ferla?

DELVIN?

Dolman of Radio Froo Buropo, In Munich, asklog bin to organizo a nooting

for bin there. Thisfal found out thronx... through the COngress for Cultural

Proddon pooplo, "Vithio copino):

with his furniture

business and his vino businoss.

Ho also sells wine.

Lend persons involved 1n

((Rolat1onshlp/e Revolution with the for sottrays Laltset revser

1I GIORt BrItaIN)

Thay dida't particularly agree with the vlous of Revolution but thay

MoTo synpatheti soverthose. They ara joltinu, some lasido the Labor Party,

people like biE»

well connectech these

weatoy helpednes here for a vailo. Hanse Alavs had frienda (among them).

Denals Phombeah also know tho editors, Perry Anderson, Rogor Murray, uho

Is now da Ghana, Protossor Rodekins of the trical study listitute in Acera

Thoro was no connection other than that, sympathetic cooporation.

They were willing to help. Their viows are quito difforont. Thay're not

Connunists. No veren't Connunist olther.

(Thoy didn't buy spaco. You just swappod ads))

Yos. That's a normal arrangenost between nagazines. You eschango

advertising.

¿Novement for Colonial Freedon"the sanel No Bot very littlo real

cooperation from thankzxsbank Movement for Colonial Freedon. He exchanged

ads, they promised to accept subscriptions on our behalf but John Bber, L

who 1s the Secretaryl, was very much afrald that he might lose Algorlan

support, because Movement for Colonial Freedon dill depends on getting

support from all different AlrIcan countrios, Asias countries, etc.

Thorofore anything that night be antifgovernnental in terms of Algeria

ho was veryauch afrald 08. lie 18 a1 ex-Connunist. He told no - "What are

you doing going around witi Phonbeah? He has been here with Harbi, the

reaky belore you come with him. Which side are they on? Phabeal walked

In Just as heuplates was saying this, and overhoard 1t. He, was very

embarrassed, do had to 80 on with 1t. Phonbeah said, "I'e just belpiag all

the brothors-'"' (laughlas) Ho nas hopeloss.

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I hava both childron hono nor. This 1s aid-tera, so the littlo boy

18 out.

My exact address!

30

Stockled 1a11

an apartuont house on itlico

Albert Road, 21-31 sagranco. Ath 1100r.

"Cannot siTe deliaitIvo aRSTOr 1OI 80Nd ties, would adviso-play 1t

reasonably salo, malatain access you have or could 19 reestablishy

My problen short rango. I hood soney by next took. I have people

who want se to write things. The things about Revolution, nobody

particularly u11l caro about. That's no embarrassment to anybody.

Rot ovon to tha Chinese. Andorsgon said in lact they would be rather

plossed with it, 11 sonobody nould iinally got this off thair backs,

because they can't say daythlag at alla cula committed to vrito the

articlo for Bacounter, There' 8 A. lotter, which 18 appearing la the Mo

current issue of the China Quarterly. To question is what to do vith

the Atlantic Monthly pooplo.

I'vo got to arrange souething quickly. I didn't expact the situation

to crop up quito so quickly as this. It vas rolatively woll takos caro

of when I left hore, with my brothor-in-lar but my vifo has gone and

Fled up, loused up. tops things with hor brother which makes it

artrenoly difficult. I can probably got sone more monoy, but not very

auch nore out of the Encounter people. They have already given no a large

There

sun of money, nore than they expected-, expocted Allantic Honthly to como

through and pick up poth efth, thich they never did.

see they never adlep to de the Ping....

question of exchange of letters. I

So far as Revolution concerned,

• I can continuo this a'llele,

but I hava the problon of gotting sosoy.

That should bo self-orident.

Anyway, I shall try to hold things off. I'm going to try to soo

13 I cha arrange sonatalayan a temporary energency nonsured ibis alteracon.

I? I can and 18 I'm successful, then everything will bo fall right soo till

the and of next neek.

(s can lot you have 8200 4b1s p8T 1002.))

That would certalaly bo a groat,. That would be very helpful. That

rould solve sy soods-- Thirty-five pounds. Hon suchls £35/ in dollars?

(Under $150.00))

That's that, I need, That's that I actually noody annodiatoly, It I

tako care of that l's off the hook until next week. Non l've got to so zad

CleAr Hysoll with Lasky Of Iacounter. You haron't boos 1a touch vita

Lasty In aby way, have you, with these sacounter people?

MOODSTA

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rena tenor,

Moll, sosobody has, Sono very strange- - you soo hintarta the CORETesS

10r Cultural froadon are sort of pushing in the background, and I knon

vaguoly that they havo the Idox that maydo, that I alent like to tato a bratee

Joby 01th them 1a Paris.

_Hot TuaT-tera, personally l'n not terribly keen on sono of the

thiags the Congress 10r Cultural Freedon does. Sone things are not too

bad, Josides the pay. But worse st1ll, my site would just about bloo

sly high over the Congress for Cultural Preedos, even though she knous

Chi Quartorly and Bncounter vere subsidized by the Congross for Cultural

Freedon. Encountor is no longer. But there has been a lot of hankypank

going on batween then. Even the lotter-I told you about the latter.

They did everything possible to try to koop the editor of Chi quarterly

steep Iron pristing the lottor, tolling hiu all sorts of reasons, that

It rould: blow sy coxer conplotely, and then thei noney..that: I got fron

Encounter, lasky, fsaid well, naybe you won't write anything at all.

I don"t know, valuate any money at all, send no off to write." *

(I don't know. You're talking mysterios to no))

As I say there aro vorlous people who, are hovering around and sloco

I'vo been back, now hore as the truth, he hasn't bothered to really.

to find out what I have.

(«Couple 01 questIOns OCcUr tO De-- you DentIOn the possibilIty

of going to paris to work for Congress for Cultural Preddonly. • •

Would you also be interested 11 things worked out, in 801n8 back to

Algorla)

Oh, yes.

(То stay)

Sure. Cortalaly. All I need 18 a proper cover, ode that to not a

on That'd,vory hard. The suspicions of these groups aro extremely

slight. There was a loxlony me haven't sentioned. You've probably beard

about DI. Robert Ransoyaho vas an American uho was la Zanzibar. He's s0u

locked up in jall 11 Algeria. He may be a Regro although I doubt 1t.

le liberate,

I'to sever not him. I think that he's white nember of the MACP asd all

SOrte 01 things. I 10r8et what ho's a doctor ofpot M.D. leanade

He vas sending out tal letters la favor of the Zanzibar revolution.

=

¿Thes ho clalnod ho vas expelled iron Xenya by sinister fOrCOS. Bo dida't

< British

havo & US passport. He was here althout & passport, for a short time the

ARtional Council fOr Clull LIbertiOS gave hin sone support and the next

thiag I knor ho vas 11 Algeria. Nor what 18 gano 18, and whethor ho l8

Just a crackpot cod knows. Ivoryibbor-noncialtorand rovoltionary morenont

belugs-

¿ forth such a bunch of scremballe as one can only see fusido 31

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& madhouse, you know. !

(Ho's not 18 ja11?),

You in jail a GhaTion against al I understand the US BAbasay lo

trying to get hin out (laughing). I don't know bother DI. Ransoy ras

actually an agent of sons kind, although he had too many confusions to

In any caso, what I found nas that people mere generally, 11 you had

sometjng to do dad dida't live too lavishly, though Africans don't

question too such on soroy. This buslness of Il leathoring ond's nost

gOes on all over Alrica, apparently la Algorla non nose thas ever.

Anderson sald thoro aro large tranators of sonoy da ll Algerias Iranco

Into Seltzerland ball bought up by the opposition ever attit for their

ma purposes, One day.

Tes, Algerla would be fe

11n0-- provideded could fled some reagonable

- Ray kind of a nevspaper assignaent, a vaguely loft thing, botter than

anything else, but the noro innúcuous the better.

(You sald onco before, you flt well in Algeria, you dida't 11t roll

In Black Africa))

point, innumerable suspicions, but to go to Algeria lea I have peoplo

In mee't ithand?

Ike Georges Arnaux who is a vory close personal itlend, they seal would

Dalcomo no,

try to find sonething for no to do ..

That rould bo easty to arrange. And IrOn there/I have Bouth AlriCan itleRda.

ANC

tanths with both PAC and like, I have very good contacts. Wherever they

have offices I can nove lnaido. But one has to havo sone reasonable sort

os lies. on thia Erlp 1 vete used sons of the stro-derican Journals,

the sagazine (Encouffter) uhich vas quito successiul 1a sono places.

I"' Jact Grippe said, "uny don't I bare this nagazino. They send it to Bergen

and don't send it to no." ivertheless with Grippa thera vas sode suspicioR.

And I had the oplalon- Al's sot paranoic and I don't like playing cops

and robbers- or go for cloak and dagger stull, but I had the opialon

that sonobody was watching no, vas folloning no when I left there, which

vas one reason thy I didn't see all the people I vas going to soo.

I Knon sono trollkyists there una (could) firo so sone storios about

Grißfa's organization - they'ro on the frinces 01 11, otc. - but I just

dida't go to see then because I thought that Grippa night haro sonoone

ratching to 800 abore I was BORg.!

He wouldn't like the connection within

Trotskystes, anyway.

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((1'Il bo arzy,, Closed Of Monday, Hashington"s birtbday)

Ob, my God, 1s 1t?

((Tou'11 have to buy a cherry pla this rock end))

The kids know all about the charry tree.

((Caa you cond on Tuosday))

Yes. But my coming in and out of this Babassy is not the bast

thias to 1a the vorid, Right I Get to ladonesians, shou I know.

Around the corner aro the Cubans who know no very vell. All lt would

tato 18 ono Cuban to seo sa valk in here... I can alrays concoct & reagon

bat.. I don't know how sany pooplo aro vatching. Por One thing, Septail

the British Hose 0111co, they're had no undor surveillance ever since

I're been here. Thero's no doubt about that. I 80t a tip on that from surina!

do far 2a by Tilo is concerned, she la by no neans a dyed la-the-$ool

like in ten censuplet at al2, novor has book, but she wauld nat

literant ot her to hiderstand..

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Faced

or

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query or comment by intortlower

editorlal insort

omission

incomplote statement

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Taupe No. З GibBOn

(What do you think about that -Malcoda X))

I could have told you it vas con: ng.

(8 Holl, you did. You dida't singlo out Malcoln X))

becones

Bako

Nor coRes the coal thisd. I!'s icinG to =AAIzI ile lIzarlen etrugglo.

You reneuber tha Algorlan strugglo throughoutwas marked by clashes between

the MNA and the FLN right up to and aftor the Independence. And this 1s

what 18 801a8 to happos son in the Statos, as far as I can 500. But what

I don't soally like is -there are so sasy saall groups, uncontrollablo

11ttle

groups, Ilds, 11Iteer-year-bld kids who are planning to shoot the

President, and that sort of thing. You don't know how far it goes.

loading what, at this point.

So tha Idea 0f boing a leader- leador of that? As to Black Chettoos,

there this thing I don't know (who responsiblo).

23E305

- 2i6 14T.

((Do you think that was Illlah))

I'm not at all certala. There are sany, saay, many peoplo tha rould

bo glad to see Malcolm out of the way. for one thing, it does resolvo

a cottala problon and that -18, thero nas a clash, certaialy 1t was g01ag

to cono about botween Willlans's group and Boggs' non 1a DetroitI and

Malcoln &, people sho vero more connitted to an arnod struggle. Yalcolm's

major contradiction vas that ho antarx- logically, what ho vas preachlat

gould have lod oven to nogotiations vith lashington, to sono klad of

arTangesent, or else to an arned strugglo, an underground strugglo. As 800 a

as you

have a rocal loader tha 18 exposed and who is in the country, one hand

he kaor what vas happening. He sas very much avare of this prollioration

of groups and activitles, Ilke the little buelness of talter Bore, which

entry

highly syabollc and alnost Ianocuous, In comparison uith sons of the things

Ils trips abroad, sost of his btips abroad vere 1a a way - ho masted to

creato nalty by contacts uith lilliaas and otheret peoplo, but hero, 1a

Surope and Calro. One of the problens that he had vas simply 1s settlag

10, 111112ns. Ho didn't vant to 80 t0 Havara. He probably could hate brought

an eXtIROIdIaNTy anONat Of pressure on the State Departuent to allor his

t0 80 25 28 journalist of somethias ilke that 11 ho really vantod to. But

ho dida'¿ vant to, because ho dida't vant to bo exposed os political

1ssu0 which night bare cost hin support. So there vas he golag to seo

111112ns? PragUO, porhAps, MOsCOT. But ha dida't vant to 80 to fastera

Europeas countrlos either.

18 you sald that one of his

sight hero boos to negotiato vitt

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"ashlagton ))

..

Bractly. At 11r8t the ubolo 1dea vas that there vas golag to bo a

Black State. This was originally. But no one had any roal.. except fOr

Blijah Hubanned'& poople -- I think that sone of then did hare, You ser

the London Times articlo todays? "one of the thiags that disgusted bin titl

the Blljah group was this talks with the American Nazl Party and with tho

Ku Klux Xlas, particularly with the flan, to buy a county, 11 you will,

a county in Georgia, which the Ku Klux Xlas vas going to sell. They vero

going to seo that all property in the country vas turned over and this vas

going to be the nuclous of & Black State. He felt that the Muslins vero

soaking to perpotuato segregation for their purposes. Ho really nas sot a

segregationist nor did he at the end bellove in -- he wasn't a racist.

"This 1s whole thing, backlad auay fron a rollgous polst, fron a raciat pola',

trying to find sono nodus vivendi for a sodiflad black nationalisa. But ho

wanted to talke this over. stextschkas I don't know 19 he over had any

contacts with anyono beside New York City and State officials and polico.

He had rather good rolations. Ho vas extronely moderato in person and you

could talk to his. I think this is what he really wanted or what would bavo

cons out of it. He just wanted the contact - to feel that there uas somebody

opposito hin. To a lot of these peoplo, titax a lot of the stink could be

taken out just by by talking to then, not necessarily with publicity.

benefit

((18 ho wasn't involved on the racial or theological grouads, what vas))

Not a racist. For Instance, it is said that the Muslims aro anti-raito

and there is an anti-white elesents, and particularly and an anti-Semitle

directed

alesents, agalast Jewish shopkeepors. Obriously the Jewish shopkeepers,

bolas exposed, boing in the Chiato, the resentrent comes out agalast then.

In Xen York it cores out against the Joulsh element in the garrent district.

as sany Negroes work in the garment district. It 16 unskilled, underpald.

and sreat shop type of thing. I sust say that Malcoln sonetines played

this tune binsell. He knen It vas facilo, and also it pleased the Arabs.

Ixpudx Iron whoa he received considerable support.

#(You rean the Cairo typo Arabs?))

ToEs, the Massertypo. I don't know hon nuch dupport he ever socelted

financially, but I thiat they did receiro support. And also the Black

Muslinsx did rocolve support at certain tines. It vas so accident that

ho set tup a headquarters du oxile la Calro. He did go to Ghans and I kaow

that in Ghana he vas attacked by the orthodox larxists. They are the llrst

to launch an attack, fOr Black fascian Of sonethlal. I feel that he yas

scenarope

avolving, trying to get out of a box. Hls sexction vas that of a logro uho

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epoo up la a Ghetto, uho beconos a criminal under prossures, he la latolligat

ho 1s extresaly latelligent. Not an Iatellectual but far moro capablo as

an organizer say, thas Milliaas. Millams 1s utterly hopoloss. And le 18 not

Blow to catch ideas, but ha has cortain fixed Ideas which have developed,

certainly undor pressure. Malcola vas sovlag and ho as a figuro could

nave done a lottoo.

((Has this a maturing))

Yes, a naturIAg, a process of laclag reality also. I supposo this 18 an

explanation to a largo extent of uhy there are so many childres uho aro

young kids,

tho are

really Involvod letthe sationalist novementà. They're facilo, frustratod.

They don't know what olsed They fool that the older organizations aro

1 acapablo of dolng anything for then. There 1s a class thag,they leol that

there is sort of a Black bourgeoisle for whon there 1s now in fonoral a

has sold then out, but they,

the bad schools, who come out of poor hones and so forth, by the timo

they'ro sixteen, thax their hopo of, the real hopefol lategration, o1

bolag soothing la contemporary American sociaty, 1s dead. It's this

whold business, the notivation in schools, the good schools, the housing

and the fanily over. If a child greows up in a hone there they don't havo

boaks- there is a great difference between a Jewish child in the Lover

Bast Side, sanx no nattor how poor that family, notivated by a kasa long

tonese stell

Jewish tradition, xxxxxlx and a Mogro child OT, 2 Puerto RICan child,

Middle Class ideals are beginning to sink down into the danishxanax Negro

community, but among Puerto Ricans there 1s an even greater gap, so l

understand,

Hany of these negro kids, they just feel this enormous wall around

then, and one of the things that I an nost aware of, even-- when I was

a child, I grew up 1a Philadelphia. Many of uy friends were uhite. to

lived in a neighborhood in Nest Philadelphia which had Negro and whito

Irdob, Cailaltos, Sovish pooplo, Itallan, 1a proxialty. Elved la the sane

block. That neighborhood now is solidly black, The shool I went to vas

alvays nixod. Mou sost of these schools are black, There is more, Bossegatl

today, ghrough real estato, through housing, than there was 20 years ago.

(l Is this intentional or is this bocauso this was an area that vas

wland and where a Negro could nove in and so Negroes did.))

Yas. One of the problens 1s that around most American cities the city

line sarks the and of expansion for Negroes. They can't nove into the

suburga. A aíddle class legro uho has noney con sore iato the sububbs.

And what areas they can nove into are filled un. The whites than nirt ne

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the city, xe

((Mashington nould be the prinary example of that))

..

Mashington is that much nore complicated because you are in the aidat

of tha Southern States. Excopt that I notico, l havo relatives that

llvo around Nashington. As a kid I used to go to lashington every sunner.

And go1ng out towards Chevy Chase and Montgonary county, the Maryland aldo,

thero is a cortain desogregatlos that has gono on. Obvlously on the virginis

side it 1s the opposito. Also the heryland countlos to the South. That 1s

a more sogregatod aroa. That is also the history- the sort of slave l1n0.

1n Haryland beforo tho Clvil Var sort of vent whore Vashlagton 16 now.

across the state, to the south more they groy tobacco thoro vas slavery,

to the North there was no slavery. And there ras a great deal of

Intormarriago-not intornarslage but racial intersixture. I havo rolatives

no aro to all intants and purposes shite. Then I was a child and monta

thoro 1n the summer, I roally had no real awarenoss of race. It vas a

curlous backsid of interracial mixture, that had one on just, borone

and after the C1r1l Mar. Now that has changed considerably., That's 1

Montgomery county.

I brought the address book.

(fIt's oxtronaly intoresting to consider the racial problon at hone

but I would like to finish this up.))

Yos. What sort of addresses do you vant.

((The people no talked about))

This 15 Hassan Riad. Anoul 18 his nase, vo-187 bato-Ancer. Bolti postalo

31860-Dikat, several

M. Amlabol, vas a Canadian, SOrHOr Connunlst. He was setting up, he did

set ap a pro-Chineso group near Vancouver. Apparently there vas considerable

activity thero. (6323 Marine Drive, Burnaby 3, B.C., Canadaf)

This 1s address of tho Mulana. To the best of my knowledge verges

Rotor heard 15oa bias so: (Bhashani - Yo fasteta Wikly,,

16/20 Maba Royhene

BOSER? Is a very Interesting PersOR, 1a Holland. He 15 a

Dacca ! E.Pak

works with Andersson occasionally. Ho 18 not a Communlst, 18 a vague

Loftist with the Chrtstlas-Paetftsts, the Pacifist Socialist Party, 1a

Holland, which has gathered in a strango grouplag of Leftists. Ho bas

and AlgoriaRs.

contacte ulth the Angolans. He 80es to Algeria quito often. I hero a 10011a

Curiel

ho le sonauhat consocted with the Girtut people. (Vinkenstraat 13"

Amaterdam

(Gugala Comite)

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V.

Mortara? P.Q., Canada

Chartain ats, you know. Ho 18 seCretary general of the partlo Social-

1asto do Quebec and 1o of course very much connected tita the Cubaas. And

has had a great doal of contact vith Americas Negro groupst of the Loit.

- GEN, Congo, in Brazzaville.. It's 80 open, and so obvious, you knot.

They inad to Bond the CuELAR e

(Apartado Iéro 13777, Zoul

¿a Colombia, "ltoaso quaita-

tals address

Eo He there they recolro

ala - 25 Ap. Reces 15312 1309

spocial natorials. Thiags that they think will got by the censorship.

Those thiays camo Iron peking.

They camo to Revolution.

The one great advantage of Rovolution was 11 one vatched it closely

you could find 1.. at one time, not any sore, but cortalaly la the asly

pariod, they moren't told by the Chinese to cone there but they had

(Orlando LINERO. Cable Sío

BOOn Revolution on salo.

1s. 63-30, Bartauguilla, Colombia)

Colonia Anahuac Mexico D.F.

Poderico Emory, was a lexican settzer, who had been 1n Peking and vas

supposed to representing shex Mexicti arxist-Leniaist group, the pro-

Chinese group. (Tizoe " 19, Col. Analuaã, Pepico 1), D.F.)

Juroma FInanOur, this poor Brazilian, Who was Involred in a sost vague

way. Vorges put this person's name-I don't know whether it is a man or

woman- think 1t's a woman- on the magazino, actually never received autota

anything from her. I hoard later that sho was pro-Moscor, cortainly not

pro-Chineso. She's probably in jall now, after the coup down thero.

FALLOT

M.& HueJean Fuyon. This is the fellow who was Communist leader in the

Haute Loire, who is the only one who is still supposed to remain in contact.

Le Chamban sur hignan, Hautipaif verybody knows Hrs. Gunsurdene, the

Russians clain is parachuted everywhere.

(P.o. Bay 300, Deph 245, Peking)

Quoris Goldenbers, la Peking, 18 Chilean. He works, think he works,

Inside of the Poreign Languages pross. He is correspondent for El Mundo.

of Havana. At one tine he was correspondent for the Cuban radio. He vas

& very curious follow. He wanted to set ta up a Spanish edition of Revolution

with Chinese noney and offered to do this, when he cane through paris,

buts about a year ago. Verges managed to avoid over firing hia any anster

on this. He actually offered to bring the money. for this.

*Jau Su-ya. Very interested la the magazino. She sent

naterial from Canbodia and Verges does have some contacts 1n Cambodia,

someone in the office of Noradom

Sikanouk. A Frenchmas, I thisk his name

18 Mayor. To nas close to the chial of stato.

Alpheus Buater. V. A. Hunlo. Aayone would know bla la Acera...

21254.

hiccise

Phnose Pent

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His froup at the waltoralty of Glent, wheh so longer existo, so ital'a

MASAO KITALAWA -2D Mahorei Sard Plet 81. Couto

BaN, vas tha japanoso representativo to the dira

/ Assias Solidarity Confereul Ho used to pass through Paris quito

rogularly. I don't think he 1s there any longor. Mas nuch Interested 10

the magazise. He used to use the sansar psoudonys of Malter Jorasia

sonotines.

Estra farina?

188

One

SWAPU

of the loaders of the frepo of

Southwest AfrICa.

usod to send in articles. I knew hin personally Iron

How York.

has bees going back and forth between Poking and also

Mast Gormany and Nost Germany, playing playing all aldes, on this Southrost eye?

Africa thing.

Corenair

wit. to the boad of Steel,

SWay, the other southeast Africa group.

SWANK I SWAPU,

Shexe, They hayo a unity, , once there vas a struggle botreen Sormia

and Econditia. Enixavirtually eliminatod. KaMil 1s an smorican agont,

Casua

and so sorth. The last story that I heard about Cortna was that he rag

working for the Peace Corps In Bechuanzland. These aro the stordes that

thes circulated, Sortal has beez unable to bold up his end of 1t. le 15

Kind of sulking. And vialece hasn't holpt him at all. Koglagine

has embarrassed people 1 over and over 1h0aan1a festis vorked.

Abul Rahim KARIM SPeA

Land N W3)

special representative now, in London, 105 Verges.

Ho 18 1a Singapore. His articlo on Malaysia, against Malaysia, was greatly

appareicated by the Indonesian goverament and a largo number of copies

of the 18sue of Revolution which contained it were bought up and 1 tras

later reproduced. No received Iron Indonesian Inbassios all around sub

stagtters. orders for that issue. Subscriptions case fron the UN, their

misslons to the UN, perhaps here in London.

Julisäys1old, Ia Chana

§cadamy of Serence,

2. 0. 80x 2848. Cccta.

doesn't use this addross as often as he used to.

bocause he 1s non editor of sonethine called the African fevier. It 1s

a sov пagazinо..

Phone 117032.

F.m.MOLL-Amstelkade 157, inster, on

Hoy here's an interestiag fallou-Nasa,

I aver quite figured bin

Surinam

out. He 1s a Exah-Pros sationalist, In Ansterdan. Ho 1s close to aluost

all the loit partios. there. lo pretzads to be larzist but clains thar ho

dispute.

1s sot Iavolved in the 81n0-sorlet setter. He doess't vant anythiaz to do

with that. That is the reason he sever urote anytbing for the sagazise.

though I did soo bin. *

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Carlos Moore. I have no address for hiu. He 1a an AlTO-Cuban boy

whom 1 11rst not 11 for YOrk. He 18 1n Paris and you sight ba able to reach

hin through Presence Alricalne. He supperadly was writing & book about Cuba

He was very much involved with Mobert Willlans, with Malcoln &, ho 18

extremely young but very active in bady ---

• He 15 of Janalcan

origin. Thero 1s a Janaican minortty 1n eastora Cuba, 1a Camaguey and

Orleste Province. That's hou you got names like Moore, etc. His father and

brother Ira la Nor York, ble sothers sulll da cuba, He vose back to cuba

aftor the Bay of Pigs, and vent to school there. He bocana very disillusioned.

He loft, claiming that thore vas racial discrialnation and so forth 1a Cuba.

"'Ho vent to Calro. Ho sanaged to got out, and he went on a lugoslar ship,

I think or a Greek ship, and got to Bgypt. He had not sono Angolaas.

i to ups, the had book ta larasa and they look cars of bia tor a while

= Jersantr

until there M25.

split lasido of the UPA, and tho 1011on pho sas there

quit and went to suitzorland. He brought hoore out to Suitzerland. Then

Carlos sound up 1a Paris, whore still 18, to best of sy knowledgo.

He supposadly has mitten an articlo for Prosence Miricalno which 18

violently countor-revolutionary.

Ho clalus there is no revolution.

His position, is relatively bizarre. •It's not terribly justified.

But what I think 1s, that here 1g a case of Black Natlonalias 10 the States

boing transported to Cuba. That ho claims 1s that the only Cubas ravolution

that sonains to bo made that would be valld would be a black revolution.

and that really the population of Cuba 18 overwhelmiagly black, or of Alricaa

desceat, and that this has been a plot that has gone on for generations

evos sor fith Fidel Castro, particularly Dorticos, he clalas, the ubite

loadership has beor able to perpetuate 1t60ll regardless of the political

thing. This 18 bis theme. He is interesting but extremoly wild and enotional.

I thiat it's a case where the intoxication of Harlen never went off. Anyway

ho sight be worth talking to.

Tho Congress for Cultural Freedon peoplo vero going to try to got 1a

touch with hin but they weren't any too convinced that his theals vas

correct. I don't think so. He clains of course that I an completely blinded

Dy sy pro-CastrO synpathlos. He clainod that Milllans vas very unbappy lOr

raclal reasons in Cuba. I thought that Milllans was siaply unhappy, lo

couldn't speak Spanish. He vas under prossures Iron the AnoriCal Commurists

and Sovolt Comunists

3 that didn't like bin, the old Cubes Connualsts,

which was one of the reasons for his wholo, hearted tura tovards Peklag.

That was the only may out..... And he ranted to come back ta the states.

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Tho FBI Mas 18 no nood- no could probably havo arranged sunatty sonothing

wereat

that 18 that he vas a lugitivo,

11 tho Pederal thist nasatt golnd to be hold againet bla, that Rockefeller

HOEt 117015

rouldn't extradito blahal lor York. There vero talks on tale. A banyer by

the sana of Conrad Lynn had discussed this tatti, a Negro ladyer Mao vas

a party callod

connocted with the Preedon Now

Party, another Black Natlonal18t group,

but with basically a Trotskylto Iront, it was put up 99% by the PUP ubich vas

one of the reasons for 1t8 lalluro. This lanyor vas woll awaro of lllllans'8

desiro to come back to the United States 11 ho could stay out of the hands

of & North C'rollne lynch nob. The ond talky I had uith the fBI people

convinced no that they vere in no nood whatsoover, over though they realized

That the situatlos vas.

In KoNya. Who has of 18 IavOlvod With & PaR-AlTICaA pIAsE, uho 18 not booked

up with Odinga, sot openly lu any case, but uho la sort ol playiag all

sides, 1o0k1n8 10r hand-outs. I understand that he -rocelved substantial

"that"

биоко

hotp Iros Russia, so that he has shown nore luscovito color than any othor.

48 Ba:combe.

Laud wW?

11111am, Pomoroy Is the Amorican who was captured with the Huks 1a the

Philippines, you resember? He lives boro 1a Londos, more or loss retired

Iron politics excopt that he urites. That's how he earns his Ilving.

But he depends more or loss on the good graces of the British Labor Party

the Loft of that party and the British Connunist Party to stay here.

that he has to say about the lalluro of the guerrilla campaign in the

Philippines and the present loftward turn la the philippines apparelly---

PrOgTeSSIVO

There 15 an outfit called the Philippine Revier which I think to (Revolution)

gave publicity to bore 1t 15- - the ProgressivO Review. It 1s connected

with Poneroy. They ard about as Communist as thay can get under the present

Jau of the Philippinos.They have hopes of shat they call the Asti-imporialist

ground swell, in other words, an anti-American trend ia the present govera-

best. They folt that the anti-Malaysia campalga night help, and the editor

has boes very much in contact vith tho Indonesians. Ho has been to Djakarta

On SOVETAl OCCASIOns IOCently. He 1S 11 ContaCt Mith PonerOy. PonerOy's

of what he says

positIon 1s one 1nwhich he has to be very carelulfbecauso the British

Cosmunists will dump bin. Els wife 18 Philippine. sho can't got an Amorican

visa, so they have to 11ve here. This nakos hin the captivo of a certala

part of the British labor Loft and the British CP. His book, The Porest,

•as published bore and 1a the States by Connunist publiahlag houses. It 15

an account of the guerrilla campalga in the Philippines, at least his

personal account, but he pointed out to so, that 1t 1a also an account of

Its fallures. Ho has tried to keep out of the Sino-sorlet thing but I bavo

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a fooling that 11 lho situation 18 the Philippines chasged both do and

his vile rould 11k0 to 80 back there. This 18 that he uay be going (worklag

10T) through his contacts uith the Progressivo Roviou. I don't kaova hou

far they have contacts uith the rooplo insido the Philippiness govoraneat

but they clate to have.))

Shashlant F 8 Mohar Can!', Dritkd,

among other thiags,

articles. He 15 a business nan and 1 1nagoto a rather successiul business

Man. Hols in on the fringo of the Indlan Coumunlat Party and son lavolvod

with tha pro Chiassaulag of the party.

Modegatreds Modhar sunji. Düüh R2

Boabay S?

335elk011 address - 151 due. Sufrin, Paris 15,

Thome 54F i436

11ES 6.5. SNETHLAGE

Has Jago.

from Anstordas 18 the head of the Cuba group, the cou

Cuba comuittoo in Holland, She 18 vory proninent 1n this Pacifist Soclal1st

nas feu

~to

.C.

as despite her advascod: 280100

Bbe 18 seventy-sono, and vory activo.

Toriló

now a seabor of Parllament.

She did a lot of publicity for the nagazino.

"Peris

De. LosTa Samper M0€E Italior, a cardiologist and sooms to bo quit

a distinguished ose.

Ho 1s a heart surgeon. (A9 hue de To!biac.

PO 547-39

TR 373-32.

(wk.)

Manuala SIXES

18 a nonber of the Liberal Partil

Sho's a standing

candidato for Ipswich, very pro-Cubas and pro-Algorias. She's got a lot

o1 influence insido the party because

of who she sleeps rith. I don't

know tho it is, but l've heard an auful lot of storios.

Vonturell1

Jose torrottl

, Cal'a E,

sedad e

HavaRa, Is a Venezuelan artist and sembor o1

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supposedly very vory interested 1a the nagazine.

He 18 a frlosd Of Kxxrns Hartha Dodd, you may 11nd on the cards the argails

was golng to hin c/o Martha Dodd at the Havana Libre hotel.

direct

Martha Dodd had nofcontact with the nagazine, She kent roportedly had

takon quite a pro-Chineso position but to be so hopelessly compromised tith

the Crochs and Russians that she can't say too much except on cachet, to

averybody sho neats, espoclally young people. Whether this 1s hor seal

attitudo or not, I don't knon. She might also be dolse this to zula the

confidence of peoplo. There 1s no questios that Venturalll 1s hor very

close frload.

158-

Costas Verapolous (?)

1s & student group loader frOz GrOACO, uho

adited a plazazino 1n Groda

called Africa ABla Latia ANariCa. It Vas &

cocut-dona version of Revolutios. and soprasented for the Groak youth,

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ho vero unsatisfied with the roloralat tactica the Soclal denocratie

tactics ol the fa dad IDANe youRs. He 8ot la CORtect mith the sagaziao

he vanted matetial to reproduce la Greek. I suppose he did. I took

one year of Greek and I kaon nothing of modern Greek, I could just about

make out the title.

Plesto jallury?)

1s a Canadian Connunist uho vas sotting up

a thing called RevolutioR Quebequoisg. He was dissatialled vith Chartals.

He had been Basa close to Chartain and ho vas going to be holler thas

Chartain. He workod I0T la PresEe, which ras on strike

Sydney 'NAMASINGHE VAS A COlOReSe Trotakylet la sember of the rental

Lanka Sama maja

connittes of the bakloans tamayai party before 1t split. the ailitant part

to 50..

more likely 25

0f 1t split. He distributed I thiak 25,coples 01 Revolution, each 185u0.

I understand that his group of the Trotskyists vero nore pro-chineso

e. than the pro-chinese slag of the Cophnose Conunlat party. Ho tried to dorie

us to tako their nagazine la exchango.

That covers all of the real addresses that I have.

(lat this point lot's take stock of you. Is your kid back ia school??

Yes.

((You're not under pressuro))

No. Thant the lord, l've got that olf the hook for a little vaile.

29 11 You here largoly answered the question- That 18 the function

of the Advisory Board Of Revolution))

Nothing nore unless it vas to give prestiger to the enterprise. This

Is why 1t keops growing largor and larger. Pirst it started out as an

editorial board, thes ho changed the titlo, to advisory board, thes he

calls it permanont collaborators. I don't know thy. Ho claimed that

under Preach lan you had only exemption fron selzure if you were really

French - - now I do know what lt was- - one issue of the nagazine vas

solzed 18 Franco. That was No. I which had to Chi kish

on the

COvor. It mass't solzed for Ho Chi Mia, but bocause of as article on

Boundon and the Fresch test Indies. It was a platonic selzura, soro la the

Day of a varDing. The selzure order case dovs astor the netazine had bees

distributod. Thero more virtually so copies picked up-. Undestributed

and seturned coples toro seized but the noney wasn't selzed. That's about

the aicost vay you can seize a nagazine. It nas a marning. And he salt

that an aditorial board made al up of foreigners didn't fire bin exough

protection 1a IranCe. That vas the reasos for changIago to peraaseat

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They certaiuly are quito actire. Por lastanco, the Colomblas I nontlosed-

I still can't thisk of bis nanot - but his daughter vas put 1a an Albanias

school. Poor girl, about eleven years old, and she didn't kaon a word of

Albanian and most of the Albanlans dida't know Spanish. She has managod to

suffer through a yoar of 1t. & It 18 vory interesting to talk to this

11ttlo girl, now about 12, Bho was 1n Cuba, diero yuu aight thin's of lio

rovolution as extrenoly informal lax in nany nays easy-golag, It's a

Ilbertarian typo of revolution. Certainly 1t hasn't had the puritanical

typo of after-period that one finds 1a nost rovolutions, cortainly la

and thora tho puriters ln China which proves a great obstacle for the

Africans tho go there. They are virtually unable to keep Airican students

bacause of the fact that there 18 so sex. They used to lot then go to

Rongkong and they would all come back with syphills and gonorrhea to the

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groat disgust of the

in Albanta was shocked by the dogree of formality of relatlonships and

for instance she said that at the beaches - in Cuba all the boaches

vero open, anybody can t$ 80 to the beach. In Albanta they havo, as I

suppose you find 1a many Communist countrles, high officlals, middle

officials, lon o1f1clals and then just plain vorking peoplo. (2f

MADBOO. This to her was s (shocking). Mho vasa't avare of politics

as such and that is what made talking to her so intorestiog.

((what do you think of Cuba nowadays?))

isnow one thing, that the PS? has virtually boen dolented in every

way, the old Communists.

I vasvery auch lavolved, obviously, the Cubans

who were my frionds *axe Connunists. I suppose that one of the things that

nade the Cuban rovolution attractivo vas that it vasn't doctrinaire.

For Americans, college students, the young people, it after all of the

years of disenchantment about revolution as such, the Cuban revolution

looked Ilke a romantic thing. It was extravagant. All these bearded

fellows coning out of the mountalas, and anyone who vent to Cuba coulad't

help but feel the contaglon.at

((I think there vas a sympathetic feeliag vithla the States because

It vas not allen to our own revolutionary background, the idea of l1itlo

noghiding behind trees shooting at the Redcoats.))

Fight. Only they mere shooting at Batista's troops who verd arned by

the United Slates. This 1s one of the things that nany Anericaas aro

unable to realize, how deeply involved the Us 1a vith these silltary reglues.

au акакиме

It has oblouely bogh exploited sronths point or vion, but from the

popular inagination, de just don't think of 1t.

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The fidolista youth vere not Harxist. They are noro so today than

. they were before, but they have had this experience of dealing with the

United States - - I have had a lot of arguments with them about 1t.

For lnstance when they came to the Unlted States 1nt- - dl March of 59,

you remember, Felipo Pasos (?) camo, Fidol vent to Hashington and he vest

to Now York and 1t was extraordinarly badly handled. Christian Horter

wouldn't 500 hin at the Stato Department. Ho Insisted on taking a hotel

sulto, rather than do that. Cortainly it wasn't an o1ficlal visit but

a lot of people have gone to lashington xxx. • • Then it was a question

of whother tho Cubans wanted nonoy or not. The Cubaas claimed,

... that they asked for §3, 000, 000 on short term credit, just a stop-gap

and that thie was turned down cold, until they toll sade some guarantees

about American proporty. From that point on I think that their attitude

sitat: zowards the Unlted States man: one of expectlag, looking for thö worst.

Theyrere able to work out a lou arrangenents with ixtex Americancompanies

concerning take-over. Lich time, they were retoed by the State Dapartmest

or someono olso, who said don't go into this, bocauso us want to havo a

solid frost, no ose should make an agreement with then otherwise.

It was provocation and countorprovocation. They would do something

thes there rould be Anerican anttan reaction, then a Cuban counterreaction

until it was real escalatios, diplonatically, to the point at which it

1oll completely lato tho hands of the Russians. That could have been

short-circuited and prevented. They really are not happy there they are

no. They want some independence, o

"son the Soviet Unlon, Ideologically

they are not vory happy with the Russians. They have aanaged though to

maintals incrodiblo independence, not sigalng the nuclear test bas agreement,

they have sevor made any anti-Chinese statenents at all, though fidel

cane very close-- he did in one of the statuents where Kruschey nestioned

peaceful cooxistouce, and said that there had never boen disagreenent

u1th the Russians over the miBsilos -xxxxxxxs In actual fact they mere

bolling. They more furious about the missilo businoss. This loft a bad

tasto in their goaths. The Recalaste buninoss, you kaon the fid patting

of tho old & PSe stineatag to take over and creato a faction which would

displaco the rosantic revolutionaries, 11 you will. It falled but that

didn't mean that Carlos Rafaol Rodriguez and nore capable technocrats

¡asido the party didn't continuo. They fallod. Now Carlos Rafael uho

had the highest place of the old Connunists is out as you know. And alnost

all of then leat out at this, polat.

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I an alrays struck by -Grippa sald, lor letraco, of Guillorno

Cabrera Inlanzo, the Cubas Cultural Attache 1n BrUBBels, Mbon I knoN vory

roll, that: "he's an ast1-Comnunist". Mich 1s true. Ho 1s a sationalist.

That's all. And that's the one thing that keeps him there. But ho and

many of the people like CArlos Franqui and around Carlos Franqui and

Haides Sastamaria, her husband, tho 18 the Mintater of Sducatlse, itoy

aro llberal, In their vious about the arts, they are soa-dognatic, son-

doctrinaire, Loftist 11 you vill, but leftist by situation and circunstanco.

They represent, 11 there 1s anyone 1a lashingtos tho still has a sober

sbout Cuba and

Bind/ho la not completely filled rita resorer - and/frustration-

about Cuba, thoy mould, I thish, represent the real hope of reaching a

godus vivendi la the suture. They are the real boirs, I think, the people

-who will tako over. I do not think the psi can do it.

They have the nass

It is alogys said,

that

support in the country behind then. A anything

there 18 581

19103.0795 29ppens; to Fidel

and the slightest suspicion that 1t vas done by a rommunist, there wouldn't

about

be & Communist left alive in the Island infilro hours. There were many

peoplo who felt that the Communists vould have lixod to do this. At one

time it bocano almost a hysterical runor spread around that the Connuaists

vanto a to k111 Fidel.

The bitterness that I found agalast the old Communists was because des

thay more

compromised with Batista. Bren non, this explains their pro-

Chinese stand. But that can't go vory far, olther. Because they are not

doctrinaire. The Chineso have been extrenoly flexiblo 1n dealing with

Cuba - they can't offer then very much - and they can't push then, so

thay have been dasy-goin! - - -

The handling of the October

crisis botween the Russians and the Unitod States when they got stax

together over the heads of the Cubans, was an lasult. Being a saall country

and seni-colonial, It was a colony, It has as exaggerated sease of

1t8

national rights. This mas, in terns of Cuba, sot the worldxbutxafterhy,

situation la general, sos the purays. → 1t nas the only nay to

solro the October questios, It seeked to be the only nay, but in the teres

of Cuba that was one of the grave aistakos of the Russians. The vay the

handled it. They didn't seen to sorten the blor for the Cubans.

(Thoy' to very sonsistive peoplo.) )

Right. And thoy've never forgotten it. They have nourished lots of

hopes about DeGaulle and the possibility of trade with Frasco. Trade 18

Increasiag, but they've tried desperately to set dEGaullo to visit Cuba

shich he roulda't do.

e yould do lots of things aralist lashlartod, du

thoro aro certain linits (laughing), and that's one of then.

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I knos that's one of the things la back of their alads, la Paris.

about.

Svery french delegation to lavana, eves one dust recoatly, I board thus

Fidel vont around sayinga- uhy doesn't Do Gaullo cono and visit us.

«There 18 & Gaullist grOup, Franco-Cuba (?), not the Counsuaist,

thoro 1s a Communist organization, there is also one laside of the

concerned with Cuba

governuont party,and they have nado rocomendations for lucreasing trade.

Ose of the things also encouraged is the increase of Spaulah trado.

attitudo has some influence on the Freach. I rould inagine that they hope

that eventually this will bo coumunicated to the lost Germans.

Cuba certaialy, I feel, 11 thoy did bave axekateux diversification of

trado and an openlag horizon -- bacause:so nany problens. uith the Unlted

goverament or

States becone emotional problems that no matter what the head of the

stato vants to do, you vo got the probion or lou to put it botoro ino ene

Congress and public opinnos, which has been so sensitized to it that this

1s the probles of Amorican statesnanship that you don't have in any other

piacos. Do Gaullo,rusuple, d but eves ho roulda't 8o beyond a cortala

point.

Anathor thrag, Algeria. Probably ouly DeGaulle cold have reached a

sottlonent. t

(In two minutes, that's your prognosis for future ErDul US-Cuban

rolations.))

..

It depends very much on the United States. I think, I know, there are

alonents in Cuba who are more than willing. But they don't want to be

pushed. The trouble 1s that when & Cubes talks to America, the next question

1s "When fre you going to got rid of the Red regine," or something liko that-

That 1s the end of tix the dialogue. I rould turgatutrther inagine that it

would have to be through talks. I understand - this is one thing thatthis

Cutes

Carlos Moore, the Afro-Cuban boy who is extremely anti-revolutionary-

he says he vants a joal revolution. He worked in the Porolga Ministry

What ho

at one tine.pie used lo clais that Dorticos and papa people around

Dorticos are very very anxious for a rapprochement with the United States.

That they rould love to have contact. I certainly know that Dr. Ros, Foreiga

Minister, wanted sonehow to have contacts, nore direct contacts. He kus

had a probles too, that in public he couldn't say anything, and whenever

he was in New York he ras boxed 1n.*

U1l don't want to start a debate but you say that the -- when are you

going to

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Similarly, isn't

sensitivity that you spoke about. ty 18811228a127 the Cuban populatios

sensitized in such fashion as to cone up with a comparably provocative and

and dialogue-ending renark.))

the

It seems a little bit less. One of the problens is that of Cubad

Innigration. There Isn't in Cuba, to the best of my knowledge, a broad

anti-Americanisa. Always in even in Fidel's speeches, he nakes a distinction

botween the American government and the Amorican peoplo. Thas There 1s

a rosy open noadcoraneut the Cuban counter-revolutionarles. They say

be counter-revolutionarles but they also happen to be uncles, cousias,

sephens, and alnost everybody has sone one among then, from fldel on down.

((The exiles in Haml and elsewhere))

That's right. They are relatiyes, Just as the treatment for lastanco

of the poople at the Bay of Pigs- which wag extraardinary. In many cou itries

they pould have boon -n: in country, they would have taton then anT out»"

and shot then. There they meron't aldowed to beat them;

they said they

wrecit nesel

"had been aisled" and so forth. This aSxterxprOpaganN

propaganda, this vas a feellng. I have seen it happen over and over agals

They night shoot someone. They did, they shot three people, a Batista

sorgoant and some others. It vas as incredible gaffe thatrauxaid to laclude

anong those peoplo an old Batista torturer. He was shot ruffs-ou und arlested.

I have been told by people who have been there recently that you have only

to say that you are an American to get a synpathetic audience around you

Immediately, People want to discuss with you, why did they do this, that.

You see they cas hear Hiani. They listen -to the American radio all the

time, and they listen to kadio SVAN. I heard Radio SWAN in Cuba. Radio

STAN KABLE vaS a CIA radio operated ot 38 15lard 012 ol Nicaragua.

a8f 1slaad mich 1s claimed by Nicaragua bul matyal fact is possessed

by the Unltod States (laughing). The Nicaraguans have never been ablo to

persuade us to leave. He just have some sailors on it. They built this

enormous sadio which broadcast to Cuba. It mann't an official radio. It

was callod Radio SHAN. It vas a ClA operatios. It was so crude, It vas

roally pathotic, the type of thing-- people are starving, that type of

thiag. How this was directed at Cuba and when you have propaganda liko

that - tat it 1s very little that cas be confirued. You say peoplo are

starvies, and they are able to go out andbuy something. There vas a lot

of racist natorial ln there about Congolese troops stationed 1n Central

Cuba. Thero toro no congolese troops. This stort of attitude case out

Lator.. During the tino of the Bay of Ples operatios they.

the dress rolAasas paro inaradibla main 1--°a

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801s8 to bo Hachlavollian, my God you don't do 1t like that, you kuot.

The best propaganda is the one that comes closest to the truth, that

Just slightly 800s 011, you don't have to push the polut.

In any caso, I do feel that there aro an enormous quaber of peoplo

1n Cuba and lasido of the goverament, particularly anong the old 26th

to nake

O1 July sexuaNIx pooplo, who would be -- they don't mantra capitulation

to the Unitod States. They want an independent government. Thay would

11ko trade. They would Ilke to got out of the depondence on the soviet

Unlon such as it 1s. They have nanaged to keep Iron bolag swallored up

by the youlans just by enormous effort on their part.

(Cym think that both sides have connitted themselves so far thet

1t 1s Impossiblo to havo any kind of rapprochenent or normalization, 01

relations without a feeling thatone side of the other or both, had been

Mi lorcaasto capitulate?)

e flint at se print is do se

it I don't think it's true any nore.

thore has been

To a cortain extent, recent months kareeksanght a sort of coollag down

Is Cuban'-Inerican relations, though thers have been continued charges

abut Venezuela, and 1t 1s certainly true thare that the Cubans nere

encouraging the Venezuelan PALN. They certainly gave Iinancial support

not so much in the way of aras, I think, but noney, and la a guerrilla

campaign you got your arus anyray fron the pollre and the army, fron

the army that'surrounds you. That's the easiost say.

I havo the leoling, nevertheless, that the Cubans aro somerhet

disappointed, disillusioned, about their ability to agitate these

revolutionary groups elsewbere 1a latin Anerica, theis ability to carry

any effective revolution,

out saxe*rIxEnsaxankaraxjust as the Alliance at lor Progress has proved

to bo a great disappointment to many people in lashington so has the Cubas

opos solidarity with other, alnost any, revolutionary novenent la latte

America, proved a disappontment.

On the other hand, the Cubans are not going to issuo a staterest saylag

export revolution.

that we will not axixiuxetutionas

Cortalaly the first Jearso1 the (Cubas)

revolution, they did seone extremely insane thinge,

with expedition to

Haltz, expedition to Santo Domlezo, expedition to Parana, relaireteria,

they had to send propie ta to pansas to set then to surrender, The

poople in Santo Domingo were just slaughtered. In Halti they mere slaugtered.

also.

Paine int

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(Probably got them by Black Ragic 1s Ea1t1))

A Messy sItuatloR. On the other hand, every once 1a a valle Duvaller

nakes overtures. Ho's not beyond anything.

Mell, 11 you want to got in touch with me agaln, you have only to

give no a call. I don't Inagine that anythlag such will happon. It I'm

not there just say that Barl called, or sorothing like that. But do avoid

glulag this address or telephone number. I imagine with my wilo working

nor for the Maoisistio

((It would ba soneone else ansverlag))

1e.

..

It would bo kraxuates I dont thiat l'm quite going to set up shop

((AgaIn, I do appreciate your cooperation))

Ko. Thank you.

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1.

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constituto the nailing liat for Revolution.

These vero borrored.

Fron Riohard GIBSON and copied in

the station.

GIBSON' a vito, ..

uho compilod the carde and vas rasponsiblo for diatribution of

Revolution (and to thom, therefore, they nore properly belong)

In not avare that GIBSON has

"Loaned" the cards out.

voro roturned to GIBSON's flat the sane day ho brought then in

2. He bavo not nado any attempt to count then.

There are

Boreral thousand.

A fon commenta vill be in order about sons of

the sarke and notations that appoar on the cardo.

One general oate ory 18 "Promotional".

bunch of sheets - about twenty, 1t appears - sro in this estogory.

They aro marked "Promotional" or "PR".

These vero sent out gratio

eithor to induce publiaity, or to encourago new subsoribero, or

to sake friende happy.

(Presumably, Robert WILLIANS and setoral

others aro in this category).

4. Thereaftor, the cards run in catogorion of one sort

of another, with given countries generally lumped togother.

Those

rhero the addross vas obvioualy stapled onto a dard are sone of

thoso that mere taken fron Frone GINVALA'& Spearhead nailing list.

Some are uarked "er-Sperhead", which neans that the nase cane fros

the Spearboad list,

and the person subsequently subsoribed on his

or, attor a littlo promotional treatment.

5.

The coded synbols, unfortunately, GIBSON could not

anisin, sinco this was his vile's territory, rather than his orn.

The firet set of lotters obviounly refere to the country (0-80, UK/).

Other mumbors and letters aro not alear.

apart Iron the nano of the subsoriber usually indioatos who arrangod

the subsoription (this say bo an agent, of sorothing like s gift

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some subsoriptions. Bapiration dated aro obrious.

"privato"

neraly seans that soneono ordered a subsoription directly,

hissell, rather than through an agenoy.

Any further questiona relating to tho liat oes be

Inaluded in any subsequent contaots sita (nisoi: "& thay sesst

inolusion, and if it goons likely that la will know the angrors.

7. No noto that the list's aocurroy cannot ba guarastead,

ospooially aftor the timo then the GIBSON's partod raja vith

JRoques VIRGES.

8. At BOTO tIEO, thO EMOOTHSRA MAJ aRK un SOS thlE l1at.

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roald like us to saknonlodgo having 1to

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I. IN ADDITION QUESTION THIRTY-SIX REF B, WE PRISARILY INTERESTED

IN DESCRIPTION GIBSON'S CURRENT CUBAN CONTACTS AS BASIS FOR FOLLOW UP

REQUIRELENTS. SPECIFICALLY HAS & BEFN IN TOUCH RECENTLY WITH ANY

CUBAN OFFICIALS WHO SUPPLIED INFO ON CUBAN INTERNAL SITUATION, STRUGGLE

BETUBEN CASTRO AND OLD CONNUNISTS, STABILITY OF CUBAN REGIME, OR CUBAN

SOVIET RELATIONS?

2. BELIEVE PROBING INTO HISTORY & RELATIONS WITH CUBA AND FAIR

PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE SHOULD BE AVOIDED AT OUTSET SINCE THIS APPEARS

TO BE AREA WHERE HE MOST SENSITIVE ABOUT GIVING POTENTIALLY SELF

" IXCRIKINATING INFO AND FURTHERIORE OF MARGINAL VALUE.

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(Laugb1ng) That'" Eight. I think that galog lato that would talo a 10Bg

as ad i'm not date in e bare to say, els ate

finite ses coatacto esto the Micees the Chinese, You as 200k, mu

no sood a Cary los political dork.

Too, Chinese say turn up a car; 'ia

take sour car. Is the US eabasay turnod up a car, they would

say tako a car fron the US Babassy. It doean't nake then any moro

9x1a

Anorican agents,'It sakes then Chineso agents. It's just a ses

mattor of uho can produce. Africa 18 lull of poor people. Just as the

Hogro cuatunity 1n the Valted States 18 full of passempon poor peoplo.

poor peoplo don't have any sense of loyalty in the ordinary sense of

tha sord. They have a seRBe of loyalty to their poverty,

and colonial

• hat10n-hood, d the satlonal sease

1s extreely roak, They see thiage a teras of Motor lei, ore

colonie'fror,"that's all.

•*.....

(Holdon Roberto 18 dosa here. You stray talked bout lint bin. I KROw

Sorenbou

about hin))

You ought to know hin botter than I do. (laughlag) I not his only

once and that was in low York. I had a long discussion with hin about varz

I to 3 1s the norsing, and he nas terribly afraid that somebody rould bink

ho was a Cosmunist. I trlod to assure hin I didn't think ho mas a

Communist no natter wha: (laughing)

((D1d ho haro anythinE to do rita the magazine)

None, Has bocause sha dagazie, uhile Verges vas there in Algiora,

and up unts repasta Virlato da Cruz changed his position, tha magazino

How-t 197709

Mas 10110w1A8 the HPLA end only changod about wiik/Viriatof changed from

the XPLA to the UpA.

Jolden vent to China and I suppose he sive the Chinese sone guarantees

but I don't know.

(Marlo d'Andrado),

Ho 1a tha activo Secretary -I don't knon his Official titlo- o1

Cho NPLA, and raptoponte another tendency dilferent Is 0u; Dr. Matreater Moto

E 1o the President. Ho had contacts with Rerolution and with Virlato de

Craz. He sought to get viriato to come back to the MplA. He is a poet

2180. Thay aro all poets. They are all fOrMer students in Portugal.

The last t1no ko cano through Paris, hearter. Altor Virlato published

his articlay 1a lovolution, he asked for the right of roply which nas

granted by verges but he sever vrote the articlo. He could be said to be

each more pro-soulet than pro fortreset 13 anything. I talk that sto

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Attention: RATZRNBACH

INTO

Chief of Station, Paris

Chief, LCPIPIT

FROM

SUBJECT

CaroL, FE

DEBRISFING OF RICHARD T. GIESON

ACTION REQUIRED, REJEPONCES

RB: OBLA - 12,110, 26 January 1965

PROCESSiNG ACTION

NO MOONIES MONAD

ONLY QUILHID LISA

CAN NOGE IDDLES

RECROFILM

On 11 February KUBARK Staff Agent Errol 8. KULPA, who had

contact ulth GIBSON in 1363-64, listened to reference tape and made

the following comments, which may be helpful to Katzenbach.

felt that the GIBSON that he was bearing on the tape had indeed

changed rather radically since the last time KULPA had any contact

KULPA reDenbers GIBSON aB anti-white

and probably (because ol this racíal orientation) anti-U.S.

1s therefore quite suspicious of GIBSON's notivations and advises

that extreme precaution be taken in the hundling of GIBSON.

?. KULPA's vien of Gibson's notivations:

KULPA hag strenuous doubts as to any idealogical motivation

on the part of GIBSON.

He recognizes the obvious monetary

notivation and feels that this probably plays a large part

1n the man's being willing to talk to ODYs.

Another very

possible notivatioa 1s GIBSON's disaffection with VERGES.

Parenthetically, KULPA added that in Algiers and probably in

Paris, GlISON was really nothing nore than a name that Vskais

wanted on the masthead.

GIBSOX's prinary duties as "editor"

vere probably in the area of translatios.

XULPA feels that perhaps sons legitimate information of value

can ba obtained in the area of the Revolution.

Again, paren-

It might be noted that KUapy felt that GIBSON

thetically " rided istic" as his wife. There GIRSON night adhere

to the aspects of karxist Leninian that called for revolutionary

change (probably because of his dissatisfaction with a world

In which the black man had to enduro a certain amount of

discrinination), he is not a strict doctrinaire in any

On the other hand, KULPA pointed out that

GIBSON's wife (who by the way is a Central European by

not British is idealistic in the sense that she feels her

brand of leftien aust be internally and idealogically

consistent.

(This is why she objected to GIBSON's writing

for incounter and why she probably vould get upset i1 she

knew exactly what type of game her husband was currently

playing with ODYOKE.)

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FOLLORING SUPPLELENTARY REQUIRELENTS MAINLY DERIVED FROM REP B

TAPE, FOR USE RATZENBACH DEBRIEFING GIBSON (G):

1. G SPEARS ABOUT VERGES COYTACTS WITH FIN FEDERATION OF

;. FRANCE AND FACT THAT $75,000 WAS FUNDED TO HIM THROUGH TES

FEDERATION FOR REVOLUTION.. WOULD BS INTERESTED IN G'S DETAILED

• COMMENTS ON THE PRESENT ORGANIZATION OF ALGERIANS IN FRANCE:

IBADERSHIP, TIES WITH BEN BELLA, TIES NITE ERSTWHILE ALGERIAS

OPPOSITION, TIES TO VERGES, SOURCE OF FUNDS, FOT MUCH SENT TO

ALGERIA IN FORM OF RENITTANCES.

..2. EXCOURAGE & TO TELL MORE ABOUT HIS NIFE, HIS WIFE'S

CONNECTIONS WITH RABAR BITAT AND LATTER'S FIFE, HER POLITICAL

IDEAS AND ANTECEDENTS.

3. "VERGES HAS DEBTS ANOUNTING TO MORE TEAN $30,000".

CAN & GIVE US A BREAKDONN, ESTINATE?

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1. MOULD ES USEFUL, TO HAVE & TALK ABOUT HIS CONTACTS

MITE ALGERIAN ASRASSADOR CHANDERLI IN GREATER DETAIL. WHAT

FAVORS DID HE DO FOR CHANDERLI AND VICE-VERSA.

5. ANY INFORMATION ON ORGANIZATION, PERSONALITIES AND

ACTIVITIES OF LATIN AMERICLN BUREAU BRUSSELS. ANY INDICATIOS

THIS BUREAU INVOLVED IN TRAISING OF LATIN AMERICANS IN ALGERIA?

6. INFORNATION ON RELATIONS OF VERGES WIFE WITE ALGERIASS

BITAT AND KHIDER.

T. INFORMATION ON REVOLUTION BUREAUS ABROAD. HOW WERS

STAFFS CHOSENY WHAT ARE TESIR FUXCTIONS, OVERT AND COVERT?

END OF LESSAGE.

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CO/I0 - B. Brown (by phone)

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SO JAGUAR STATE (SHAME-FACEDLY) THEY NOW LEARN GIBSON DEPARTED

LOND 25 JAN FOR ZURICH.

2. OBVIATES NEED FOR IMMEDIATE PASSAGE FUNDS PER REF, BUT

WOULD STILL LIKE XNOW STATUS FAIRMAN/GIBSON RELATIONSHIP PRIOR 15

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of bichase 1611361 1ratsattse di Boqtistrate

CTION REQUIRED - REFERENCE.

Ref: ORLA - 42,410, 26 January 1965

1. Forwarded as enclosure are requirements for the debriefing of

Together with the requirements is a XUDESK narrative on

VERGES-ANDERSSON-Revolution complex for the background information

of Katzenbach.

further background on Revolution can be found, 11

you have not already done so, in the following dispatches:

OKLA - 39,346, 26 Sept '63

OBLY - 20,852, 16 Dec

'63

OBLA - 40,208, 24 Feb '64

OELA - 40,542,

15 Apr '64

OBLA - 41,545, 10 Sept '64

dillo - 30,251, 24 Sept '64

We have not yet had time to revler the tape of your first

session with Subject forwarded vith Reference, nor do ve expect to

get a transcription completed in time to reach you by 15 February.

The list of nanes attached to Reference indicate considerable kRon

ledgeability on the part of Subject as vell a tendency to pour out

his knowledge in a sort of strean of consciousness style.

that, 1f given the opportunity, Subject will take the bit in his

teeth and as much soney as he can in his hot little hands and be

To prevent this we would like to suggest that the

debriefing be set up on a tightly organized, businesslike basis.

would probably ba advisable to trite up the terns in a letter of

Agreement contract for Subject's signature before getting started,

making sure to include a paragraph in which ODYOKE's obligations

and promises are limited to the terms specifically enumerated in the

document.

We think that any meaningful debriefing will take 3 - 5

days, and there is good reason to belleve that Subject will have

"Information of sufficient interest to justify this expenditure of

Case Officer time.

we do not foresee auy long range operational

relationship with Subject.

"hile we look at the debriefing as

basically a cae-shot proposition there will probably be follow-up

questions and, perhaps, speciiic action requests, requiring a later

Therefore,

the communication channel to Subject should be

left open on a "don't call us, ve'll call you" basis.

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In line with the need to put the debrieling on a businesslike

(ratber than a "flexible") basle, it night be & good idea to start

by getting Subject to supply a personal history statement from the

time of bis first entry into leftist political novements to tha

present day. (This can be presented to Subject as a basis IOr us

to formulate meanlogiul questions,

not a8 any sort of personal

"confession" on his part.)

In addition to providing us with a

chock on his veracity,

this will set the stage for a debriefing

conducted on KUBARK'& terms, not subject's.

It is laportant that

1t be made clear to Subject

at the outset that we wast facts, sot

spoculation, cormestary and analysis.

A. Please charge payments to subject for the debriefing to

Acet. IT. 5137 - 1468 (Hqs. LCHARVEST OOA).

Three hundred dollars

I0r the initial 24 hours talk with Subject is on the steep side.

Honore thinking in terns of $700 for five days debriefing with a

bonus for a copy of the Revolution mailing list.

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SECRET MC-CRA

MATTRESTR

sa1d to havo beas set up 1n 1957 for tha printing arl distributing of

chinese literature.

ahis t'es in w19h other Iscration tet the floa

vas establisbed in Switzerlard during tho Aiparian var 17 crder to

pablish pristod ssttor bensod 1a Franco.) Staco 1463 the f15= bad bees

respoasible for the Ene) 1sb languago odition of Paralitica, bet 1n 1964

tho printsag of cha English-languago adition was tarefertod to Paris

where Ferelitles's main artico 13 locatod.

sulas authorition had ardarad

ADRESSU: to CARso publication of inrolitlen.

Revelution bas had e complicated histary.

It 13 descended Iron

Aricas invalutlon unice rurst appeared la early 1953) in Mgeria.

It&

atta, Jacquas iDGES, la a forDer tember of the Prosch CP ubo broke

vita that perty crer the Algerias questico.

After YEAGEs, uho briefly

hoaded African Parclution, bad a talling out with Algerías officiala

Later 1n 1J963, and loft that country, ha began a sev publication 1n

Sultsarland unlas the facilitios o!

the already established ANDERSSCI

I1TH.

Me sou publication vas callel jerelition, socotleos inova sa

Revolution - 4s1:, latia irarisa, Arica.

(The Aigerians costiao to

futilsh Biatoes Feralution, which has so troun connection vith ¿evolution.)

Inftially both the Eaglish and French editions of Revalltion vera hazdiod

I goR SSola firm, but tha publishing operations of tie Fresch editica

vere very sous sored to Paris. Inter the srinting, too, or the french

oditíon was sored to Paris and only the English edition

continued to be

printod In Sulinerland, VERGOS and tho DRLA OffICOS NaTO lOCated In PATLA."

Currently ANDERSSOY 1s reported to publish Ictabra, which 15

described as toe organ of an organization 1a Suitserland callad tha

"centre lenino." Poth gotobra and the lastro lentse are sald to ba cos

trallod by AiDEOSSON, but rasy little Islarsation 1s avallable abort elthas.

The Castro sas been described as a propaganda ars of the chinaso Conualato.

"hoto is soco indicatics that they also haro sons commectlos vith pra

Chinese dissidost elorants of the Sperish é?.

ANDERSON a fITs bes a100 printed tride DiseTe Perolectezarde (MOR),

• Mithough, the Engilah odition vas crintod In Sultzerland, 1t8 editortal

arfico vas also 1s Paris, headed by Rlehard GiBSCY, ericaa sepro.

Jato Yay asd early June 1964 - hes 1t was already apparent that Suise

authoritios vero goine to close dous the calating of lavolution 1s that

country — GISSCY and Mexasdro STHO4Y0'T vent to The lether lands seeldag

a fira there to slit ad distrituto the Englist lang ago 0d1tion, It in

pot mous way this effort vas sede lastead of trasstering the pristina

directly to Paris as vas altinately dazo.

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tho alesdestino poblication al a najor ta chinese Spanial Commmiet

group called the fartido Cominista Rerolucloser1o.

In vior of recast

reports that the MC" GrOUD say Ierge with one of nore of the other

#fastdout Soanish Casunist groups and that a joint 01699 v1ll bo

-alshod, For. Lay soon ceage (or any aready have ceasad) piblicatica

Inst sole AYDIPSSAT noT plaY iT Iow Dublication alfarts of the sra

Chinaso Spenish dissidents 1s sot trows.

The alandostira leadership of tha Partido Conurista Perolucionar1o

has bees located in Lausanno, Sultzerland, with sone representatios elso

In farle, but this group has aprarently been receirig Chinese financial

assistance tbrough tha GRIPPA party In Salgive.

Another IUût.1I058

Spasish group in Suitzerland, the Cposicion Rerolucianario Courista

locatod 19 Ganera, has booz publishing la chiaDa.

The ChISER grOUP

has reportedly been raceivirg funis fras the Chinese Dabassy 1a Pera.

Still erother Dia chirose Soarish group, the Agrupacion Cocuriate

Proloiarlo, bas bees publishing Brolotarle, amparently fron Paris bot

with sose representation also repariod 1a balria.

wallo the group

has apparently bed sone contact with GRIFFA 10 Salgiu, tho Parie-based

Spazish dissident groupa to a nerger.)

Sho 502821098110 between GRIPPA and ANDERSSON, GRIPFI and YEPGES,

and VIRGES and ANDERSSON is anything but clear.

Same part of the

confusion sAY rasult frou GRIPPA's difting efforts to finction as tbe

diroator of chinose paliticel operations 1a inropo, and to t5y to b5158

the sottritios ol otters under his control.

8.

GRIPtA vas once reported to hate said ba had "lost

confidance" in Ravalutioa. Arone his reportod reascra vas a

bo?108 that VERGES varted to be désigestad absoluto leader 1n

Europe for the arerolutionary noreneat."

- Somewhat later GiTFFA

vas reported is sajing that the Chirase vere no lenger subsidiaira

Revolution and that it was now being becked by Faris editor

FranCOLS MASFERO.

D. GRIFFA or his aldos also appear to hate been responsible

for starles circulatiag arosz sose pra chinese turopean dissidente

that ANDERSS", had boen vritten off by the Chiraso as a "Irotsialto."

GRIFPA has also been quoted as saying that the printing of Ha

goald ba transierred Inca larsarco to belgiun and to GRIFPy'& ove

pablishing feellity, (11s 1s not kaona to bare texon plar :.)

• theso bara boss roDorts, "eaplainod, that there la b

Mood batuess VERGES and ANDERSSO

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14le 8808y, alto partletter conorajo al the foundlag of ble tre 'collero

' Le Ella" la iNtreorland. LAÇAs, CORERESS, ilasaGlogo Elagrapble data

also os bla mile.

Lo Detalla as "Coasto Lentar" esd lie pablleniton Setabra, May loundos.

by whom, bon Areaced, prosess actrillas?

3. Derella of rolatosabda betaron ANÜiRSiCiN Rad cho MOR sroup ol douldeat

Spaalra Comoralero, Hon tore lony fis la codiace vich caci olass, bes da

MUR PIlAblES PAARCOd? DORS ANDIRSION piRy suy sala Ma-a-s elber

salsads and chensels by which ho bas coassor alta the Chiaozo Corozualase:

Full doralli du the relablonable holaran ANDERSSON dad VERGES, poor

and presses?

Revoligen

da Hon lo "Rovolatios" laaaced? "e aboulá llre to save the abado lundlag

EzRaRRIlale, payment ol adfarta! sad publicatos caddo,

Lllo stary dl VERGES, Misa partlaziar coveraje ol partod 1908 lo p8e seres

Mino laniead alm so ilgorla la iños, ouy did ie quarrel miles iso Algerians?

Who disoRted AIm 80 ANDERSSON la juliarisad, way ild Herojulton o rals

GILEO DOrO dO PArlO? DA VERGES UrA In juilserland la ilos, tbero aad

for bar leag?

До.

Why was the Eagles-langrago edistos enallaned tith ANDERSSON's ArEA?

: 9.

Blograjale dosa do tarabero of editarial araft.

Bha.

¡thas la the mangaIlue'a polley tavard la sne al Mertagar cossasposdeaLs?

10. Relatlonally es VERCLi tO pro Chisers ilroldest igoal a laritoss, lo

parsleular lão aroup pabilablas Prosotarlo.

Ase Kaalilay 1108a colapled? Une el soralga closibutors?

ad is procurlas a copy el sha malilag it al.

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U. Neihade and chaunola by vulcà VERGiS has contact miss lho Calaaso

CoSTIAUsiBs Or day OlDara Who currenly provido bloa mulla bactego

18. WILL EXEI dOrS YERGES Befeceie soess closely la Parla?

18. WIll UbIch AlgerIBas ls VÄRGES la CODREC tOLlY, HOM aDd taOro lo

this coniece malabalaed?

• 19. DiaGreed problEg oR STRELKOEY and ala artortallos ded apondos ally lo

Dino ladicated.

Sã. Hibas are sue funcileas of the sarisary bassd el Beraludloa? litro trosabers

chasea by Verges? son do taoy commualcaso ulta VäRGES?

Wast geldaace ll sny do the fisandal spoasora al Revolution glue lao

oditorial erall? Do they supply packaged arilcles?

tha do cides mans

EStHELOS DIE lO DO uNsA la lLa diStereRs leaguage cúltlonsi

18. Compioto retton el GlISON's relableasalp with Vergea. Whor say tbaro

•Ald they suces, undor mues circussiances? tust bilellag die Vergeo gire

GINSON CORCOTIaS sha puspOses, apassor salp Bed luna of Roralaitos?

1%

Thes expelly vera las dildos el GIASON la PArIA aRd LABAaRDe dA ReVOlUlON?

80. DoRs "Baradulles" ¿rass repsles arborisallon? ll so, do you knor es any

pubilesttoas thas hare carriad "Heralutlon" matartal?

2a Whit la lue soarco el photographe uned by the rasgasino?

GRIPPA

82, Engials bla relattonsalo lo other pro-dalrare dealdot factiona la Hestera

EATEDGES CPE. Is DU IN COTtACh WiLL VERGES? WIh ANDERSSON? Derello.

88. Why was GRIPPA BOt BAKOd tO AS81A1 la MAdlAR & DOT pAlESeY fOr to Engiles

editios el Revolutioa?

24, Has ho over mado noy flenacial contribullons lo VERGES OS ANDIRSSON?

TROST GROUPS

20, Al lace cate a

23. N1l Isformalton aralleblo es Llasel Marsison, laciedlag Mograpble data,

088088 StRias ol 610683081a881209 selationsalp.

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86. All IGlOTIZAilOR AvAllable As lO AlIO-AdRA JOUTRalIASA ARDoCalles, besão

guarterod la Calso, liiore, so LAJA COalerPACo lo diased los Marca la

Alalos8).

a, Listilly asy el tha ladirtauris fautolís dí totriaca) cornacred via la.

Do ISOTElY SOY AAJA COTASETA LA LATODO OS AlElEs.

Par AIrteza Journallol's Unlos, nosdod by Soll Hastel, nod handguartered

18. Aoy snotrodgo el lhe Isernallosas Orgeniraldos ol joatasilote, beadruartor ad

Es PrEgUO, Has GLASON UnAl ADY Of lA alAdalE, or Attondad say dí ls

ExAelings.

89. Auy diraes teolodgo el tha alficara, eraplayece, procoodures ese. el

PrOsEA Latina elicoo la sarope.

"3D, ADy losArlodge el fue alMente and apersilano el the NONA OllICES la ECtOpo

Bond North Alrica?

Jão ASy CERRADI MiA represANtalITOs os, es asy knauledgo ol lae propagaata

@gAraNOSE el DE NÜLSY MElOZZI I TOMl fOr thE LIberaloa es Jadta Moteara).

valot has es effee la Alglera?

32. Enoaledge ol any aîleuro o1 sabional lendara el lue World PeRco Coracil la

NotA AÍTICa OI INTODO?

Carribaes

88. May carTest 0s past contecto ulla Caribbora ranaludonarles% Doctlbe.

3A. Indo en the propone dales el the Mouremast de Liboratioa pour la loso des

Caralber (MuZG), valca bãs boes mastlasad by sama la lha ¿coserles.

850

WO arA lazarosrod la lA prostos sesgo el arganlistian as disos guelsaltera al

the 81LC2 (utlch bas pol boes heard (ram los alsoel tuo yeara) and aDy

other lalo erallable en lha conrdiasilos al las enli-caloadal otraggio la tho

•Caribean, especiaily involvement al Cubasa, Algertass, savleso, Irotabyless.

ahors. (500 aseschor llipareh, ULUli-4118, for bactegronid on the Altad.)

MAcollazons Lefles C8012.

81. Doserlo relatlesablp, sod portoas larairod, ol Renoiatlos ulis teo Noru 101

Bolor asd tãs doresanes los Coloalal Iterdem la Greel Britale, Abeco

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EnDEpo RATe placed aão la lha magastao. Mhas did toy pay los ta spaco?

88.

Asy lafo en ADiSON contacto ulth stambora al the pro-@alsora Consal a

ParTy of surtesesiasd Hamarly distidom PDI el Menstres).

S% DEL CABSON of any etarr saesaber ol lha Revolullas alel oner baro deellazo

Dis MEREel RAPTTi fots "Pablo") os 80y dl bis group? Describe la

desallo

80. Aey laso es sso Bed Flag esd lhas maldiy"i editos Jabe Llorallya DAVIS.

Daserlba cestasta baltora los DA VIS grDap and Revolutios.

ABy lafo es, cordacia mita, te Du Bols group ln Ghana? Hararses eni

SReel la Basteo?

SMLOBGSLADE

12. WhAS AMArleSA OntACtO dlA GIASON malatalA la LOBSaSRO sad DUPresdlegs,

49.

Deserlbe the Pasty merasalom la alleb you balong, ll nay, la selleorizad

bodonttly the ladiridaria laredood, mestlag places.

POREONAl COEBECTO

Blograpale dais, laciodlag current sédresses sod sellutiteo sed.

tho atadas al your relacionablo ells too folletlaz ladiriduals esd/ os grespe

resid bo appreciatos:

Martes SINE, cartoosist, Ella pasi asd preones pole, ArEl la Revolatica

43. DA YEN LADY REY ATAISlEARA selen-lay the Estras sirel esboraza acboal la

Prague? Any lalo dE lalo lastitatton sad the ladeniiilos al participsars voula

ba saca approciated

16, sasairedo AINSLII (Landoal.

81. MIRe. LErDelo MESTRE (PArto) Repisslezool p lo VERGES greep.

El 5.5.1, DUQNHAI, POT: DaTORR PAsa la ilfaste.

P. HBZRA AINVI, Farisas editarial board uno reportadly realgand ala poo

¿remastaacen el bla realgesia? Custes porlios? Revelelton Sditeria

Board Merabezas

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59. BABU

So AlLIAE CABRINA

SSO HORIA DIALIO

SIo CANTO dA SILYA

58, Maces AZAD

DE. MACIRZO ANAl HENCE DHASMAL

STO MAJEBA FERBER

BB, TIERS CINTALA, InCA AlSteRS MEaldlaz la LondoR.

5% CArLOS LANGA diA PAtTiCO MOTONSS PINHEIRO, roperted to ta Lanca's

Mlle, la Algarial Any ethor carrent Algerias contsche?

AÃ. MUbARAd LiABIl, MãO rAplAced VERGES an edior ol Levaletica ilitcalea.

68. MabRIDed LUILDER, Vas bLe dopasture IrOM Algerts relatad la any may to

thE EAPELUTO & VERDES?

Al. Sas Sahara Alrleans, partieslarly la Galers, Mall end @bars, ults pra

Cil Com links as symparblas.

to Helders ROBERTO (ragale)

6s. starto Dalsdrado (agala)

6b, AZERRAl TADATA (Sarta Altica)

'61. TrADEsa AlASPIRO, Pasta pali esar of Pertlara, Hoar Aanscod?

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69. EgUyOR ELEN fOI LAN HEO MANH OS NgO dOS LANI.

Lasta ABATiCa

To sastara diogotacos Loada lo do doctelos da pablea Revoletos

Tho Sagrapale lalo on CARAs PALACIOS Po descalbad as editor el the

Bogota edilios.

Tha MArlO ARANDO, DirectOr al las Bagara edillos.

TS. La l6 Instandad lo pabiloà a spealet edillen ol Rovolution ln otses dilloo to

Lolta AmerICa? AlA say othas loselga editoRe piasard?

conca-es.

T4a Aro sittelos 1s98alated lito Sprales la Latopo Rad then seos lo Bogeta, 05

lO IDO BERABLAREA 1rOSt dATe la BOgaLs.

T9. Hou sad tarsaga ubom ls the spasleh langaago edilles el Bonolnder

Anuncado Dotallo.

CHICAN CARIACE

TP. Did por hare auy conisel with the Nen @alAR Nevo Agenty? ll es, esplale

Eso sturo of tho reintlonablp sed porsona ulla utora you caste.

18, da tão course el your edferial setirilles dld you maot day Oblaose Consalals?

Il eD, please provido informantlos on tho ladriduals ella muera you lad searace.

19, doy tula en contrera by VERGIS end/as otres Revolullos atall mexbaro will

MOHA TOPSORENTS 08 С СО ШрОТаЇ ҐАТІВ 08 Бата

ED. A RECONSI El GIBSON'E lEZA la AlgierA thos de verted da Baroletien

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1 Transaltted heronith are copios of JAGUAR'e latest report on Rohand

Thonas GIBSON, valod thay compiled for us on being inforned of our current

operational interost in his.

He expect that further infornation till be

forthoowing sinco, an previously noted, they have instituted additional

covorago of GIBSON' a activities.

?. JAGGAR roler un to their previous roporting on Gisai, which has

contained in their reforts on Revolution.

These include 031-36, 105129

Auguet 1963); 05t-40,542(15 Ap51l 1964);.

CHLA-41,545(10 Septenber 1964)8

OBI-39,251 (24 Septesbes 1964)1 CELA-4:, 783(20 Catober 1964).

3a JAGUAR also point out that the paper contains infornation raceivod

fron & suabor of sochot sources, and they request that ve not five 1t any

distribution begond SUBARX tithout consulting then, unless, of dourso, ve

Lave the inforsation fros other sources. JAGUAR havo nade a copy arallablo

to OnervY London.

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4o JANUAR also irlorIed us orally that the persons they suspeat to rave

played a soat froninent sole in the 1963 oharges of GIBSOS'a CIA affiliation -

the tho persona referTed to in para 3 Of their paper - vero Rosalynd AINSulE

JAGiAR gave ta this inforeation Informally and off the

reoord. It is interosting to note that, 1n Ros, GIBSON agrood that AlESLIB

12B. 0ne but nade no santion of toGolAi.

5. OIBSCS spoke of the affalI of JAGUAR's jara 3 (a) at none leagth,

gIving a rather difforent intorprotation, borever. Paras 3 (b), (a), and (d)

are ratter soro spoculatito.

6. JIGTAR also told us, informally, that none of their infornation on

GIBSCH, as Contained LerOin, deriVOs STOR sono uf hia correspondenco.

Implication 18 not that JAGUAR has been roading GIBSON's rail, but that, by

Intercapta os penetrations, they have been roading the sail of sone of tha

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Richard Thonas GIBSON

Borg: Log Angeles on 13,5.31

dress: , stockleiga hall,

Frince Albert Road, London, ii. w. 8.

GIBSON has been cornected with the pro-chinese Cossunist publication

"Revolution" and its predecessor, "Afrioan Revolution", st least since

April, 1963. He nado available the following intornation about biaself as

pert of a publialty caspeiga planned for "Africen Revolution" in the first

ha18 0f 19633-

1959-528

worked in Rone for the Mediterranean News

Bureau of the "Christian Science Monitor";

1955-583

editor with the English language service of

"Agence Frence Presse" in Paris;

1958:

arrested by the irench authorities because or

his work for the algerian National liberation

Front;

1959-60:

returned to the U.S.to and amployed by the

G.B.S. News in New York until dismissed because

of his pro-cuban activities;

ararded a C.B.S. fellonship in African Studios

at columbia University;

1960-Sopteabes, 1962:

Breoutire Socretary of the "Pair Play for Cuba"

Conmittee in the U.S.A.

In 1963, GIBSON lived 1n Lausanne, where "African Revolution" and

subsequently the Inglish edition of "Revolution" mere printed, but he paid

frequent visits to "Revolution's" Paris office until the end of the year

when "Revolution" was banned in Switzerland and he as refused permission to

continue to live there.

He then settled in Paris where,

according to one

report, he and his sife lived in "quite a luxurious flat".

It would, however,

be wrong to infer fron this that GIBSON's means enabled his to enjoy biga

Living standards, as another source subsequently reported that he had sot

pold any rent for the flat fron May to October, 1964.

30

As far back as August, 1963, there mere runours in Coamunist circles in

London that GIBSON was an daerican agent and that he hed provided United

States Intelligence with the nanes of certain unidentified United States

negroes in accordance with a brief receiveù fron the Americans.

Inforestion

fron a vell-placed source suggests that these rumours nay have originated

sron the jealous reactions of tro persons, comected with "Revolution", whose

asporations with the publication were cut short when GIASON becare Editor

of the English adition.

Fowever, by n1d-1964, VERGES, tin Bditorial Director

of "Rerolution", was claising that complaints about GIBS...'s activities had

been received not orly 'fros london, but also from cuba, iaericen negroes in

New York and a relative of GIESON's who was working for the sagasine "Spark"

In Ghana.

As a result, GIBSON nas dismissed fron the editorial staff of

"Revolution", Charges nado against him include the folloting-

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denouncing, In 1958, an unidentifiod negro, possibly a

Communist, "ho was expelled fron Frence;

infoming the jublieation's contacts in China that

"Revolution" vas disintegratingi

providing "Hengweek" and the "New York Herald Tribune"

with information in an atteapt to discredit "Revolution";

(2)

connections with the C.I.k.

Although GIBSON has denied the charges nade against his, he realises that

they have stuck and that 1t «ill be sue years before he will be acceptable

to any loft wing organisation.

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Having felled to flad employaent in Paris after learing "Revolution"

1n July, 1964, GIBSON went to the United Kingdon on 7th October and was

joined later by his British ulfo, Joy Marjorio, and his tro children. be

hoped to find work in lordon, but at the end of November, he was still

witbout a job and dependent on his nife's fasily, who were paying the rent

of bis flat at 30, Stockleigh Hall, Prinoe Albert Road, Londor, N.W.8. It

Is now known whether GIBSON has been able to find employsent.

5.

Nothing is know at present about GIBSON's contacts in the United

Kingdon.

Although during the tine he worked for "Revolution" he nas in

touch with meabers of the pro-chinese Connunist splinter group in the

United Kingdon - the Contittoo to Defeat Revisionian, for Corrunist Unity -

It Is not known whether he has resumed contact.

It has been reported thet

ho still keaps in touch with the coloured South African jouralist, Lional

MORRISON, Rho is esployed by the Chinese-backed Afro-Asian Journalists'

Association (AA-JaAo) in Djakarta.

Coment:

Рага. 5:

"Afro- Asian Journalist", so. 4, dated

July, 1964, and published by the hok. Jad,

contados an article "Tro Revolutionary

Journals" by MORRISON, the journals being

"Revolution" and "Spark".

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lo Attachod 1a the tapo of the intervior rith ulisoi, rodorded in an

Embaasy offloo, using & ther 4000 Report - 5 recorder, rocordisg at a spood

of 15/16 s09t: por slanto.

'Thö iatervioner used the alido of fari Wilson.

Gibaon arrived at 1745 and departed at about 2030.

Ve aro not attenpting to sunmarise or analyse GIBSOl's commento in

this dispatab.

tapa provides a muoh nore ravealing ploturo than our

aubjootiva comments could. A lennotos, hoverer, appear to be in order.

3.

Speaking of his departure, GIBSOY said he plannad to loave london

on 24 or 25 January.

As of noon 24 January, at least, he vas still in London

bgoause I saw him walking on St. John's Hood Jigh Street. (A potential

problom erists heres GIBSON and I live within a fox blocks of one another

and not infrequently ride the sano bus lino.

Thia problem oan only be not

when 1t nanifests 1tsol1.) JAGUAR, incidentally, has alortod its inmigration

controts (prior to ouI neeting with GIBSCH) and raquested that his name be

put on a natob list.

They said that thoy rould inform us 1f they learn that

he has left the country.

He have not yet heard that he bas left.)

GIBSON was given money amounting to 8300. Inder the circurstanoes

of hia plans, as he exprossod thes, it seoned reasonablo to do so, to ensuro,

that he would cone back to talk nore. He nas noro than

ullling to tako the money and relaad the initial suggustion of $200 to $300

obvious ahift in his line rogarding dollars (as opposed to

pounde) la farther indicative of his villingness to got mbat ho could.

the considorablo number of sanes nentioned by GIBSON sakes the

transoription of the notes a sizablo chore, and in order to lesson this

burden a listing bas boon compiled of almost all of the sanes, in the ordor

in whiah they appent in the tape, with the excoption of VaRDES and the Free

Play for Cube Conmittno, CBS and a few others.

The namas appear only one

time onch os the list, although sany of thes arop up repeatedly in the tape.

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A for of the phrator that do not ippodr too cloarly on the tapo ano inoludod

on the list. DocaBionally the nanos are uritten phonetloally, indloated by

(ph.).

6.

GIBSON's offer of a photograph of VERGES vas not accoptod, on tho

assunption that KUBARK alroady has a photo. Il this 1s not the oaso, lot

un knos, and no will inoludo that in our requirements for a subsequent sooting.

7°

The Afro-Asian Joumaliata Ansociation nan 18 apperontly Llonel

MORRISCH. He j8 aldo roferrod to as the "man fIOn Djakarta".

(S0O LOND 5575

of 12 January 1965.)

8o Tha rafarence to the Cultural Attroho of the Cuban Embeasy corroborates

(rathas, l8 DIrObOrated ly) tha natOliN IBlAMed tO In paIa 4 Of LOUD 5337

(22 Decenber 1965). lo aro not fully anars of the Cubands polltical oriontation

LOMATOE,

In revioring the tapa, 1t will becone apparent that the arrangementa

With GIBSON vore lost fairly Mexible for the future..

It vould appoar, from

his responses, that a longer rango relationship with bin oould, in faot, be

establiahed 11, after thorough roview of his uaterials, that seens nevessary

or desirablo.

10. To vill expoot, in addition to the requirements that have been

pronised, that leadquartors vill adviso us on thair desira to arrango for the

one-shot approach previously suggested by leadquartore, or e different an

rangesent.

to are unable to asseas the validity or vorth of all the commenta

he mado.

Our impresaion, horever, 18 that ha 18 reasonably moulodgeablo of

& number of fiolda of interest to us.

Ho also suspoot that in some areas his

knouledge 18 quita superfioial.

Hia socess to varIOus aroas of potential

interest say be partially proved by his trip around Europo and should be a

unoful indiostion of hou ve nay ba interested in playing bin.

the possibllity

of his being a provocation has not been overlooked, of oourse, and se valoono

Hesdquarters' consents on thia soore as vell.

11. Ho mould also appreciate further coments on various personalities,

with thon no are not fantlier -"Indorson" in the mont obvious in this category.

12. HeadquartoIs in requested to provide us vith a transoription of this

sapo, sa vall as the promiaod Isquiraments, prior to 15 fabruary.

ODENVY

should also be provided with as much of the naterial as is of interest to thes,

and a copy of that natorial should be given to us to pasa to the ODENVY offico

here.

No are also obligad to peas to JAGUAR such aloments of thia natorial es

18 of logitinato concern to then.

In this case, to rould suggest that this bo

Intorprotod rather liberally and Headquartere-prepared copy be formarded along

with the other items listed above. (Hote that JAGUAR has bees quite cooporative

shilo ve hayo been approsabing this case, and their recent run don os GIBSON 1s

being pouched alsont simultaneouely with this dispatob.)

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Rosalynd AINSLIS

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Jack NODDIS

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MAN WHO DOES MANY THINGS FOR CHICOMS IN BERN" FHU ANDERSON,

WHO ONE OF G'S BEST SOURCES ON VERGES RELATIONSHIP CHINESE

BERN. WILL BE AWAY FROM LOND TILL ABOUT 1S FEB WHEN NEXT CONTACT

SCHEDULED. STA GAVE & 3RR DOLLARS TO HELP PAY COSTS OF TRIP,

MAKE SURE HIS FUTURE COOPERATION• & SAYS HE EXPECTS RECELVE

108 POUNDS EROM FAIRMAN 3BB DOLLARS FROM ATLANTIC MONTHLY,

WHICH VILL ALSO MAKE TRIP POSSIBLE. HAS AGREED PROVIDE MANUSCRIPIS

AND, IF WAY CAN BE FOUND GET THEM OUT WITHOUT AROUSING

WIFE'S SUSPICION, SEVERAL BOXES OF CARDS WHICH CONSTITUTE

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CAS DOES GIBSON BELIEVE OWN DENIALS OF CHICOM SUPPORT

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letter which the Station aight consider using ultimately te

establish bona fides if other means of establishing bona fides

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case officer in showing the liter to Gibson need not adait to or

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KOBIRD/LCHARVISI/UNION - Identity A, fomerly exployed by Identity B

REFERENCE: PARI 8052

NOTE:

The follo.ing round-up and commentary on Iden A had been rafted

before PAL? 3017 of 6 January 1965 and later traffic presented tie

case in a soze hat differeat ligit.

ie forard the follo.ing any-ay,

as sone of the background and sugrestions still sece pertinent.

Several questions raised belo. have now been resolved, notably the alleg-

ation of an Iden A/UBAki lini: (explained by the ODEVY letter of 1

December 1904, not available Jen the following was written). Copies

of recent PA.P correspondence oa Iden A, passed to us on 13 Jacuary

1965,

are attacied as Attaciment 3, USC.

i. Upon receiving the senorancum cited in tie reference, we requested

¿artier details fron C.niOU.D, stressing our interest in tie report that Crus

nembers had given IDii C documents which snowed Iri a belonged to

"the services

D/5986 of 30 December 1964, UBOUiD's answer to our query, merely

reiterates that the U:BOUD source, a good one, baseú tie report on a

"corenmi-

cation of docusents" by American Communists to

IJa: C, mica supposcily

established that IDEN A belonged to KUBARK: UNBUUD states that the source is

not in a position to identify the persons in question. UNBOUND's reply suggests

the information aigit have come from an audio operation; we sight mention nere

that LiBi A nas appeared occasionally on UPKY, but never in an informative

нау.

A nail Intercept mignt also be the source of lOUD's report, or it

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way bave cove fron a third service (conceivably JAGUAl or S:i01il) •

2. Our continuing preoccupation ta the IDaii A question is three-fold:

(a) his expulsion fron IDií 8 (and cuus from acceptance by pro-Peiping groups)

opens the door for uis possible recruitment; (o) we would llke to determine

shether his ouster was engineereá by personal enemies or wether he actually

did voris for an intelligence service, and wnicu one; (c) as Peiping regaras

tine USA as its privary target,

the Chinese can be expected to continue prop

aganda attacis designed to create IDai D tension and inflave the Afro/Asians

Attachments: 1. Excerpt fron RFE research bulletin, 19 Now 64, h/u

s/cattacked si Rifan2, ilesorandun of Conversation, USC

3. Letters dated 4 and ó Jan 65, USC

Distribution:". Identities, USC

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against the U.S.io inile dosestic effects of such propaganda are properly

nandled dy Outty, the nanipulation of luäi is to furtiar Chidese propaganda

abroad vecones Alällü's concera.

DuBinK's recruituent of IDai i, or establisiident of controlled access

to nim, could be extrciel; useiul in couterinó atreapts to unieraine lie isi

of INsi & plans in this regará, and ie zust inow die nases and locations oi

many persons involved.

Tia most eifectiva approaci to luii A would probaoly

be tirouei an offer of money (iis mistory inúicates venality, and at prescat be

appears to ve in linancial iifficulties), and oy stressing nis chance to set

even wita IDal C. Tie purity oi IDLi A's coumunisa is ojea to question and

shoulr, not impede recruitnent; a nore foriuasle obstacle to a successful

operation is nis possible connection wirin a foreign intelligence service.

This could be a restera service but migit also ve the soviets, for wrom ie

vould serve the dual purpose of causing trouble jor the üsA and at toe save

time reporting on the Cuinese propaganda raciine; it is a natter of record

tinat tie Soviets view IDi: 3 seriously. 'atever tie vasis ior a iñorri

approaca to lliid, it rould require careíul security planning, taking

cognizance of ils instability and bia inow attitude toward GulUKE as an IDEa D.

4.

"Revolution" nas featured articles by three Aberican Begroes, Richard

GIBSO, Robert iranklya WILLAiS, and Halcola X, all ooviously inteacied to

prejudice readers against the USt on ground of racial injustice. ill three

men are of have been involved with foreiga Communists: GIBSCi and WILLiLIS

with the Chinese and tie Cuoans, notauly, and Malcoln & with tie Cainese and

various African Comunists (actual or CryptO).

The

"jew York derald Irivune"

of 4 January 1Y65 reported ¿alcola's statesent tiat he inopes to "internacionalize"

the Aserican vegro problem, and that he claims to have influenced severai

African governments to nake representatioas in the jojo agaiast cue Usa's

treatuent of its legroes. Inis may de a foretaste of lainese plans for ioreiz

exploitation of this issue; ilalcolia was interviewed by "Revolution" in Cairo,

which bas since proved its enthusiastic aati-cricanisa.

5. OFP-14693 reports that Pullip BAPI, a pro-Soviet officlal of the CPUSa,

suted in jecenver 1964 tiat the CPUSA nas positive proof that four tezcers of

their Chinese faction are being paid by tae Chinese Courists.

relevant tomte here tiat the adveat of "Revolution" was iailed by letters to

the iditor fron Anerican leftists, including tie FPCC; accordinz to UFPn-37875,

Vincent I. LEE of "all worlds Publications" in new York City takes suscriptions

for "Revolution"). It is iard to say were Liti A enters into the clouced

picture of Averican Commist partisanship in the Sino/Soviet rift, but in

view of his snifting allegiances he may nave divulged to pro-soviet CPUSà

neapers, or to the Soviets themselves, infornation on Chinese subversion ir

the USA.

lae October 1964 issue of "janner & Steel jeusletter" is cited o,

the Radio Free Europe researci bulletin of lovember 1964 in tie latter's review

of pro-Chinese factions anong Western Coummist Parties; Mi researci describes

are attached as Attacinent 1). The parked paragraph from "jamer & Steel" aits

at the idea of unite nations' innerent superiority; chis is consistent vito

China's clain of a bond anong the colored peoples of tie vorld, shica persits

such effective anti-soviet propaganda as the over of "Revolution" for May 1964,

which shous KHRUSiCHEV saying,

"ie, the vbites..."

6.

IDEN C's denunciation of IDEll A nay have been at least partially

caused by suspicion ie was trying to gain control of IDii E; 1t vill be

recalled that very snortly

before nis ouster, IDi i was in liolland negotiating

for taat type of printiaz equipuent (laGi 6137 and 0:5LA 28818). He is sos

living in London; je jas presumably been obliged to find vori there (ualess

he actually is on an intelligence payroll), and he ray have landed with some

leftist publishing outfit or even vito tle

CPuk, unich is sufficiently airided

to afford room for his current views, tuatever they nay be. In addition to

IDai d's potential for reporting on Cilinese propaganda efforts, his uses as a

penetration of iritisi or other European Cozunist publisning circles are ouvious

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UNDOUND reported that imerican Cosrunists hau allegedly given

IDEN C docuents showing IDEi woried for tinie..

One explanation of tais

allegation say lie 1n IDli A's visit to tie iberican Subassy, Paris, in lace

1963, at the request of lit. Jolin G. COSSLII, then deting Consul General.

COSSETT vas interested in any infommation ne migit nave on possible connections

betseen IDEN F, vita biicin IDit A naú been connected, and President jennedj's

assassination.

Li copy of GOSS¿tI's ilecorandun of Conversation is

attacied

under separate cover as Attacient 2; his appraisals of Luil A and

his

reservations concemiag his notives are interesting).

IDL A and COSS-lI

had a far-ranging tali, including wnat nay have veen a tentative feeler y

IDE: ¿ for ODYOKE eclojuent.

It seems ilkelj that IDi! i would nave reported

an American invassy inguiry to nis frienus in Ilui F, and he may even jave

bentioned tie possiollity of future

"vori" for ODYUkE, which could have led

to eventual allegations that ise iad veen recruited by itarik. This is of

course speculation, dut IDEN A's flexiole loyalties and liking for noney are

surely known to nis colleagues, and, if he inad already aroused antagonis

among them, tie inbassy visit would serve as a peg for sincere or expedient

denunciation.

8.

lie can saed no light on the allegation that IDEN G is a NAMEr

(LOND 5337). Our only trace is OELA 39340, statiug ne is IDa do

ve are sot

Clear as to

the relationsnip between IDE! A, Ibil G, and IDEN I, also mentioned

1n ObLA 39346, whica states sie "appears to be" IDE A's wife.

According to

ODEVY Paris,

however, IDi A is narried to IDer J.

OLL 39251 of Septenber

1964 reported tnat Wel A and iis wife (unnamed) had successfully sued LEi B

for salary arrears; ine fact tuat the wife was also caployed recalls the

IDs I professional status, nich might nalie her operationally significant

whether or not she is married to IDEN A.

Believe IDENT

does not epist,

Auy.

DUCUTE

duste

that someone

confused him wich

IDEN "A"

Iden "I"'s wife of IDEN

"A"

She is Bitich, and ast negr

Don"t beliese there is an

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One of the most violent reactions came from the heirt-

land of capitalism, fron the amall American faction wilci pre-

duces the monthly Hammer & Steel Newsletter in Boston.

Tie

October issue of the

mineographed bulletin vengefully gives

list of eight reasons why Khrushchev fell - rach one a vin-

dictive crow of triumph, and many attacking not only Khrush-

Pointa 2, 3 and 8 will serve as illus-

trations:

?. His German policy -- Khrushchev sought to ingratiate

himself with

West Germany.

He was obvrously ready

to sell out the German Democratic republic...

The declining influence of the CPSU among the Social-

ist countries and the Communist Parties.

The pro-

posed Moscow gathering was shaping up as a conference

of only those Party leaders ready to openly serve

U.S. imperialist aggression against the national 110-

eration struggles.

For example, Aslan supporters 01

hrushcher could have gathered in a telephone booth.

8.

The nuclear success of People's China. Khrushchev

had

maintained that nuclear power was

the exclusive

responsibility of revisionists and imperiallete

of white nations.

Khrushchev'a great poner chauvin-

inn was blown sky high in Sinkiang Province.

Although there is no evidence that the politically insig-

nificant Hanner & Steel group enjoys any direct support from

the Chinese (as the Russians alleged in their "Open Letter"

of July 14, 1963), it has always offered its allegiance to

Peking in

the most extreme form.

This is expressed agair in

the claim that "Khrushchev's failure to recognize the contra-

diction between the oppressed peoples and iuperialism as the

focal contradiction of our time resulted in blindness concern-

1ug the leading sôle of the Chinese Party "8 Inis is a cialm

that the Chinese themselves would not want to nake, expecially

at this juscture.

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ENCOUNTER BY GIESON AT LASKY'S INVITATION RE FINANCIAL

BACKING OF REVOLUTION.

LASKY WILL NOT RET NOT PUBLISH SINCE

OBVIOUSLY WOULD BURN

ERIDGES BETVEEN GIBSON AND OLD COLIF ASIE SO

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WOULD RESPOND BADLY TO OPEN HUBARK PITCH:

BO MEANWHILE LASKY GIVE GIBSON ID'S MINI GRANT TO TRAVEL

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