CIA Information Report
Originator: CIA
Document date: 09/27/1963
Document type: PAPER-TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

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DATE: 9/27/1963

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SOUTH •VIETNAM

NORTH VIETNAM

of the: Espionage

Title 18. U.S.C. Secs,.

SUBJECT

REPORT NO.

TDCS DB-3/656,927

MEETING BETWEEN POLISH INTERNATIONAL

DATE DISTR.

27 SEPTEMBER 1963

CONTROL COMMISSION

DELEGATE AND.

NGO DINH NHU

PRECEDENCE

ROUT INE

DATE OF

INFO.

2 AND 23 SEPTEMBER 1963

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PLACE &

VIETNAM, SAIGON (23 SEPTEMBER 1963)

DATE ACO.

APPRAISAL SEE BELOW

FIELD REPORT NO. FVS 9711

THIS Is UNEVALUATED INFORMATION. SOURCE GRADINGS ARE DEFINITIVE. APPRAISAL OF CONTENT IS TENTATIVE.

SOURCE

AN AMERICAN OBSERVER (B) ; FROM MANELI.

APPRAISAL: IN•VIEW: OF. THE WIDELY DIVERGENT ACCOUNTS: OF THE NHU/MANELI MEÈTING; MANELI'S

STATEMENTS CONCERNING. WHAT TRANSPIRED AT THE MEETING CANNOT BE ACCURATELY JUDGED.

• HOWEVER, IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT MANELI. DID OFFER TO SERVE AS AN INTERMEDIARY

BETWEEN NHU AND THE DRV. MANELI'S STATEMENTS CONCERNING .DRV. ATTITUDES TOWARD

NEUTRALIZATION.AND. THE WAR IN SOUTH.VIETNAM.AS..WELL AS HIS..JUDGEMENT. CONCERNING

PHAM VAN DONG MAY BE ACCURATE.: PLEASE NOTE THE FIELD COMMENT IN PARAGRAPH 6.

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1: 1. SUMMARY: ON 23 SEPTEMBER 1963 THE CHIEF OF THE POLISH

DELEGATION. TO THE INTERNATIONAL CONTROL COMMISSION (ICE) IN SAIGON,

DR. M. MANELI, SAID THAT DURING HIS MEETING WITH NGO DINH NHU ON

2 SEPTEMBER NHU HAD DONE MOST OF THE TALKING. MANEL I ASKED NHU

FOR HIS VIEWS ON DE GAULLE'S STATEMENT ON VIETNAM TO WHICH NHU

REPLIED THAT DE GAWLLE WAS TRYING TO RETURN TO THE OBJECTIVES OF.

THE 1954 AGREEMENT. MANELI ALSO ASKED IF THE GOVERNMENT OF VIETNAM

(GVN) HAD CONSIDERED DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM (DRV) PROPOSALS

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FOR A CEASE-FIRE AND FOR TRADE RELATIONS. NHU REPLIED NEGATIVELY

ON BOTH COUNTS.. SUBSEQUENTLY MÄNELI DENIED THAT NHU HAD EVER

HINTED THAT MANELI SHOULD BE AN INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE. GVN AND

THE DRV. MANELI SAID THAT THE DRV COULD NEVER ACCEPT NEUTRAL I-

ZATION BECAUSE OF INTERNAL DRV CONDITIONS, THAT HIS DRV CONTACTS

DID NOT BELIEVE THE VIET CONG WOULD WIN THE WAR IN SOUTH VIETNAM,

AND THAT DRV PRIME MINISTER PHAM VAN. DONG WAS THE ACTUAL LEADER. OF

NÖRTH VIETNAM.)

2. ON 23 SEPTEMBER 1.963. MANEL I SAID THAT HE HAD NOT. SOUGHT A

• MEETING WITH NHU AND WAS RELUCTANT TO ACCEPT NHU'S INVITATION TO

MEET ON 2. SEPTEMBER. MANEL! FURTHER EMPHASIZED THAT HE HAD HAD

•NO CHANCE TO CONSULT WITH HIS GOVERNMENT. BEFORE THE MEETING

3. MANELI SAID THAT NHU TALKED ABOUT THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE

STRATEGIC HAMLET PROGRAM, MILITARY PROGRESS IN SOUTH VIETNAM, AND

HIS REASONS FOR BEING ANTI-COMMUNIST: MANELI SAD THAT NHU DID

MOST OF THE TALKING WHILE MANELI CONFINED HIS CONVERSATION TO

SUBJECTS. OF INTEREST TO THE ICC. MANELI'S QUESTIONS AND NHU*S

ANSWERS FOLLOW:

A.. MANELI ASKED NHU FOR HIS. VIEWS ON DE GAULLE'S STATEMENT

ON VIETNAM. NHU SÄÏD THÄT HE HAD NOT SEEN THE OFFICIAL TEXT BUT

WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE PRESS ACCOUNT.

HE SAID THAT DE GAULLE WAS

SIMPLY CALLING FOR A RETURN TO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OR OBJECTIVES

OF THE GENEVA ACCORD OF 195U AND WAS STRONGING THE PROVISIONAL

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NATURE OF THE: PRESENT UNNATURAL DIVISION OF VIETNAM.

B. MANELI ASKED IF THE GN HAD CONSIDERED THE DRV SUGGESTION

THAT A CEASE-FIRE BE CONCLUDED.: NHU REPLIED THAT A CEASE-FIRE WAS

NOT POSSIBLE AT THIS TIME.

C: MANELI ASKED IF THE GVN HAD CONSIDERED HO CHI MINH'S

PROPOSAL THAT TRADE RELATIONS BE ESTABLISHED BETWEEN THE GN AND

•THE DRV WITHOUT REFERENCE TO POLITICAL DIFFERENCES: NHU REPLIED

THAT THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THE QUESTION.

•4. MANELI DEPLORED THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE COLUMN BY JÖSEPH.

ALSOP WHICH ALLEGED THAT NHU HAD EXTENDED "EXTRAORDINARY COURTESIES"

TO MANELI AND THAT THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT. WAS: INVOLVED: IN. FOSTERING

NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN THE GUN AND THE DRV. MANELI DENIED. THAT NHU

HAD EVEN HINTED THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO USE MANELI AS A CHANNEL OF

COMMUNICATIONS TO THE DRV.:

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5. PASSING TO OTHER MATTERS, MANELI: SAID THAT THE DRV COULD

NEVER ACCEPT NEUTRALIZATION BECAUSE OF INTERNAL STRESSES AND

IDEOLOGICAL CONDITIONS THERE. IN REPLY TO A QUESTION WHETHER HIS

DRV CONTACTS: REALLY BELIEVED THAT THEY WOULD: WIN THE: WAR IN SOUTH

VIETNAM, MANELI PONDERED: FOR: A LONG TIME AND THEN SAID, "I DO NOT

THINK SO." MANELI ALSO SAID THAT: PRIME MINISTER PHAM VAN DONG:

HELD REAL. POWER IN THE DRY AS HO CHI MINH WAS "GETTING QUITE OLD."

6. (FIELD COMMENT: AN AMERICAN OBSERVER (B) TALKED TO NHU ON::

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6 SEPTEMBER AND OBTAINED A CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT VERSION OF WHAT

TRANSPIRED BOTH BEFORE AND: DURING

THE NHU/MANEL I MEETING; NHU

SAID THAT MANELI HAD MADE SEVERAL. EFFORTS TO SEE HIM BUT THAT HE

HAD REFUSED UNTIL ITALIAN AMBASSADOR: D'ORLANDI AND: THE INDIAN ICC:

COMMISSIONER GOBURDHÜN PERSUADED: NHU TO CONSULT WITH MANELI:.

ACCORDING TO NHU, MANEL I URGED.: NHU TO ENTER: INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH

THE DRV; HE SAID THAT: PHAM VAN DONG HAD AUTHORIZED HIM TO ACT AS

THE INTERMEDIARY FOR SUCH NEGOTIATIONS. NHU REPLIED TO MANELI, .

THAT, WHILE DE GUALLE'S STATEMENT WAS INTERESTING, ONLY. COMBATANTS

IN THE WAR HAD THE: RIGHT TO: SPEAK AND ACT, THAT THE GVN WAS ALLIED:

WITH• THE UNITED STATES AND IT WOULD BE AN "IMMORAL ACT! TO EXPLORE

MATTERS WITH THE DRV WITHOUT AMERICAN KNOWLEDGE, AND THAT COMMERCIAL

RELATIONS WITH THE DRV WOULD ENTAIL INEVITABLE POLITICAL REPERCUSSIONS

AND LEAD TO A WEAKENING OF MORALE OF THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE ARMED

FORCES. NHÜ: COMMENTED THAT HE HAD NO "SECRET CHANNEL" TO THE DRV

BUT COULD COMMUNICATE WITH THE DRV AT ANY. TIME THROUGH

GOBURDHUN OR MANELI: ACCORDING TO NHU, MANELI SAID. THAT THE GYN

WOULD SOON HAVE FOUR ENEMIES AGAINST IT, PRESUMABLY: INCLUDING. THE:

U.S. NHU SAIDITHAT HE REPLIED THAT THE GVN WAS ACCUSTOMED TO HAVING

MANY ENEMIES AND WOULD PREFER TO DIE FIGHTING RATHER THAN LIVE ON ITS KNEES

7. FIELD DISSEM: STATE (AMBASSADOR LODGE.) USMAÇV (GENERAL.

HARKINS, CINPAC PACFLT

WARPAG PAÇAF

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