FBI AND LOUISVILLE INTERVIEW OF CARL JOHN STANLEY RE ALLEGED PLOT TO ASSASSINATE PRES KENNEDY
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Document date: 03/25/1967
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Federal: Búreau of Investigation

March 6, 1967

Director

Central Intelligence Agency

Weshington, D.C.

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ATTENTION: Deputy Director, Plane:

Dear Sir:"

8x1: For your information, I am enclosing communications which may be

of interest to you

C. 12. No further investigation is contemplated with regard to this matter.

CJ3. You will be.

advised of the pertinent developmente in cornection

with this inquiry.

[J 4. Plense note change in caption of this case.

[J.5. Status of cuse:

[] Completed

Incomplete

Very truly yours,

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ATS DEPARTMENT OF JUST

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGNTION

Louisville, Fentucky

Fabruary 28, 1967

is Reuly, Pliase Rejüo se

Fila No.

LEE HERVEY OSTALDE

INTERNAL SECURITY -R -

CU34-00.

There follo reports..of

interview with Detective

Sergeant Herman Mitchell, Louisville Police Department and

Carl John Stanley, also known ashlost Reverend Christopher

harra Stantey:

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FBI A LOUIS VILLE Intervicw al

COUPS AN E STANLEY 123 FeB 67

Re alleged plot to assossinate

He appeas Mentally

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CS CORY.

20- 251048

This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions

of the FbI:

It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to

your agency: it and its contents are not to be distributed

cuiside your agency.

519/57.

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PD 3021908. 4-15-541

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dato :

2/28/67

Detective sergeant herit bunchchun tonictee sauad

Louisville Police Department,

advised as follows

Mus sin

On the morning of february 23, 1967, he received

telephone coll frön CARL: JOhN STANCEL, 4018: Vermont Avenue

ogisville,

CentUSY. STANLEY calls himself lost Reverend

CHRISTOPSER MARIS STANLEY" and purports to be Archbishop

rot che Metropolitan Pastern Province, American Orthodox Catholic

CoLd BEtt DAD Are eLong conversation.

both,of chon were

then

sudapes

"Bishons" in STANLeY's church vere in 3,4,

Louisyille, Kentucky,

in November, 1961. while they were

"drinking and witting the bars" they told STANLEY that TERRIE

had been involved in a plot against President ITINEDY. MITCHELL

indicated he was positive as to the date November, 1961,

because he had had STANLEY repeat the date.

On

2/23/67

at Louisville, Kentucky

LS 105-620

_File #

by

SA GEORGE W. HUTCHISON/sms

2/27/67

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date

142/08/52.

CARL JOKE SCARLET

4018

vermont Avenue, Luisvilte

advised as follows:

He is the "Host Reverend CHRISTOPER MARLA STARLEY"

and is Archbishop of the Metropolitan Bastern Province, American

Orthodox Catholie Church"

STANLEX. exhibited a nurber of docu-

ments purporting to support his identification.

STANLEY advised

as follows:

In July,

1961, upon the reconmendation of "Bishop"

JOHN I. WARTYN then ol 1311 North Prieur Street, Vew Orleans,

Louisians, he and MARTIN consecrated DAVID VILLIAN FERRIE aS

a Bishop in his church.

Er the la sue race piety a New orleans tical

connection with

the investigation being conducted by District

Attorney GARRISON there. It is noted that FERRIE!S death had

been reported.:

FERRIE was "deposed" as Bishop in January, 1962,

at which Line STANLEY claimed to have learned fron an Eastern

Airlines representative that FERRIE had been discharged by

Eastern Airlines because of honosexual activity. STANLEY said

thar FERRIE had been discharged by a Captain GRENVIER whose

address. was

International Airport,

New Orleans, Louisiana.

"Last year or the year before" MARTIN was in

Louisville

"from Thanksgiving to the twenty-fifth of february"

MARTIN drinks a great deal and while drinking on one occasion

TOLd STANLEY

LRE HARVEY OSWALD and FERRIE were "buddies"

and that MARTIN was alsO "conneated with then. In discussing

FERRIE, STANLEY Criticized MARTIN for having recomended PERRiE

as a "Bishop"

MARTIN at that time said he would shoot FERRIS

f1 he could. get FERRIE in the right place and that "FERRIE

" STANLEY

of Teamsters Union President JAMES HOFFA, and GEORGE AUGUSTINE

HYDE, "a Bishop in another church," 1657 Park Road, Northvast,

Washington, D.

Co, characterized by STANLEY as

a homosexual,

as associates of FERRIE and MARTIN:

Later in the interview when asked to repeat this

information, STANLEY placed the date MARTIll gave hin the informatio

On

2/23/67

Louisville, Kentucky

File # -

LS: 105-620

SA GEORGE W.

HUTCHISON

Sergeant HERMAN MITCHELL

by

Detective LARRY BYRD, Louisville

-3-Date dictated -

2/27/67

Police Deparcment

This document contains reither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to

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LS 105-640

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and Sard MArtin had said that fellib, bE PIGil,

MARTIN-S

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and LAL MARVeY. OSALD lived together

worked togother,

were glose fronds and vere connected with a Cuban organization.

When sTANLEyrasked MARYl?You mean LED HARVEY OSWALD Fas with

YOU? MARTIN wolammed up" and would talk, no more about ita

anster to a airect question STANLEY said MARTIN had not mentioned

the assassination specifically.

It is noted that STANLEY indicated that MARTIN had

talked to him about the association of FERRIE, OSWALD, hinself

and the

others on only one occasion although STANLEY

gave three

different versions

Begtoning

about Janusry. 5, 1967, STANLEY received two

telephone calls from JERRY DE PUCH in New Orleans, Louisiana,

asking that STANLEY come to vew Orleans to start a mission and

a church newspaper.

Thereafter, STANLEY received a third call

from DE PUGH, whose voice he recognized but who did not identify

himself,' telling STANLEY "if you open your mouth about us, I

Hill shoot you?.

STANLEY explained "they knew MARTIN had talked

to me and had referred to the plot against the President!

STANLEY said that "about a month ago" he called the

Chief of Police at Nev Orleans giving him the above information

about the association between OSWALD, FERRIE, MARTIN, DE PUGH,

and HYDe.

STANLEY said he offered to go to few Orleans but the

Chief of Police told him it would not be necessary.

STANLEY sald he did not report the information he

obtained from MARTIN previously because

the Warren Report

indicated that there was no conspiracy involved in the assassi

nation. of President KENNEDY. STANLEY indicated

that he was

reporting. this information now because from recent newspaper

publicity it appeared that there might be a plot.

STANLEY continued "MARTIN had a connection with CASTRO

because he asked me to consecrateja Bishop to go to Cuba".

Later he said he did not know whether the Cuban organization

with which he alleged OSVALD, MARTIN, FERRIE, DE PUGE,

•and

HYDE to have been connected gas pro or anti-CASTRO.

still later

STANLEY said he had received a telephone call from Colonel

"something or other," the head of an anti-CASTRO group in New

Orleans. STANLEY said he could not recall the name of the

Colonel but said he had read about him in the newspaper

aS

the

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LS: 106-620

STANLEY said that VARTIN, when

in Louisville, carried

Tos caliber revolvers. STANLEY said he had sxgued with MARTIN

about carrying these revolvers.

STANLEY exhibited what purported to bera

record of

the "ronsecration" of FERRiE

a Bishop.

This record indicated

FERRIE's address as Of 1961 as 331 Atherton Drive, Metarie,

Louisiana

STANLEY said that MARTIN in 1963 and 1964 resided

at 207 Hason Street, Huston,: Texas,

and worked

as a writer

for a nerspaper.

MARLi during this period also corresponded

with STANLEY from New Orleans and STANLEY feels MARTIN is now

iss New Orleans.

wARTIN claims to have been in the Air force

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during world her ll, has worked for Cla, and carries numerous

police

?conmissions"

PARTIN has indicated that it is his

job to spy on other policemen. While in Louisville, ARTIN

reputedly worhed for "Echo Blue," the publication of the

Fraternal order of Police. STANLEY described MARTIN as

white male, 45 to 50 years old,

5 feet 9 inches tall, 150

pounds, wears glasses

STANLEY described DE PUGIl as follows:

White male,

chunky, dark hair,

and complexion,

35 to do yours old, feet inches tall, and tough when drinking.

STAMLEY has never seen HYDE but said that HYDE had

been arrested for homosexual activity in Washington, "C.

At the beginning of this interview when STANLEY was

first approached, STANI.EY said he would not talk to an FBI

Agent but would talk only to the police officers.

He refused

to give a reason for not talking to an FBI Agent, but thereafter

when the interviewing Agent offered to leave, STANLEY suddenly

changed his mind and agreed to talk to police and the Special

Agent togeiher.

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IRE HARVEY OSWALD

•On-

March 8, 1966,

Stanley complained to a

Special

Agent of the Fal that he had been refused a permit for a

fund drive to raise tunds with which to build a church.

claimed that the perit had been refused on the basts of an

his. fingerprints were submitted to the Identification Division

of the FBI following which the following Identification Record

was furnished under date of March 18, 1966, FBI No. 136085:

Contributor of

Name and Arrested or Charge

.... Disposition

Fingerprints:

Number

Received

PD Los Angeles

Calif

SO LOS Argeles

Calif

SO Los Angeles

Calif

PD NY NY

Carl J

Sranley

#26783-1-3

CAII J.

Stanley

#87497

Carl 3.

Stanley

#91013

Carlo.

Stanley

#B-146197.

11/22,27

11/28/27

2/8/28

6/1/36

US:! Boston

Hess

USNE Pen

Lewisburg

Jail and H

of C

Lawrence Mass

RCMP. Ottawa-

Ontario Canada

USINS

New Orleans

Irát

Carl. J.

Stanley

#1682

Carl J.

Stanley

#5395

Carl J.

Stanley

#75607

Carl

John

Stanley

#673739

Carl

John

Stanley

#New Orleans

0612/28701

June prt

reC

6/15/36

4/1/37

5/22/39

10/3/47

3/10/50

susp GT -

auto

GT and Sec

Records

146 CVA

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RSP

Records

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sending

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USC

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imposition of

sent

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6 mos entered

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$200 to be of

good behavior

deportation

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LEE HARVEY OSWALD

Contriontor of

Lincorpents

PD Inapls Indi

(prt ret

Name nd

Number

Arrested or Charge

Rerolved

- DispositIon

PD Indpls Ind

(prt ret

Carl John

Stinley

#ISP 4795

Company: Special Police Powers

Residence: 3710 N. Meridian St. (city & state

not given)

Carl John

Starter #90982

Tri Lowing is a criminal record dated March 31, 1966,

as received.from the Bureau of riminal Identification,

Police

Department, city of kew York, under their number 146197:

Date of Name

Arrest

Borough

or Cxty

2/27/25

Carl

Boston

Stanley

Mass.

11/22/27

Carl

L05 Angel

Stanley Calif:

Charge

Robbery

"Arresting Date, Disposition

Officer

Judge and Court

D of J

4/13/37

Not Guilty

Grand

Theft

(AUtO)

6/3/36

2/8/28

Carl

los Angel

Stanley Calif

Found Guilty sent

to san Quentin.

Appealed & Released

on Habeas Corpus

Same case as above

3/14/28

6/1/36

Carl

San Frans

Stanley Calif

Carl

Manh

Stanley

Receiving DO

Stolen

goods

Burg 2nd

. DO

1 to 15 Yrs States

prison.

334 U.S.

Miller

12 Yrs Lewisburg

c.c.

Bomb

(Obscene

sed

Penty. #5395

letters)

On February 23, 1967, Major Priest Fry, Chief of

Detectives,

Louisville Police Department, advised that the

Detective Bureau of the Louisville Police Department has a file

of Stanley but that that file is currently in possession of

the City Law Department in connection with a suit brought by

StanTey

against the City of Louisville apparently in connection

with the refusal of the City to issue a fund soliciting permit

to him.

Major Fry indicated that he knows Stanley as mentally

unstable and as a con-man.

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