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CLASSIFIED FAX

TRANSMISSION

ARRB

202-724-0088

To:

Fax #:

From:

Subject:

Barry Harrelson

703-613-3060

Michelle Combs

DS&T and DO Briefing Questions

Date:

Pages:

March 31, 1997

17, including this cover sheet.

COMMENTS:

Banry,

Attached are the final versions of the DS&T and DO briefing questions. There are no changes in

the DS&T questions. Questions have been added to the DO list to reflect our conversation

March 19 and 20. You, of course, already have our detailed explanations for the earlier DO

questions. If you have any questions or if there are any problems, please give me a call. I should

be in all day. See you tomorrow.

Michelle

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HTLINGUAL

1. What kinds of records might the DS&T maintain on the HTLINGUAL project? How

could these records be queried?

Castro Aggassination Plots

1. What kinds of records would TSD or other offices of DS&T have maintained on the

various Castro assassination plots? How might a search query be framed to isolate

these records?

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SKUNK WORKS

A Personal Memoir of My Years at Lockheed

BEN R. RICH AND LEO JANOS

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LITTLE, BROWN AND COMPANY

BOSTON

NEW YORK

TORONTO

LONDON

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SEP 1 5 1994

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**Copyright © 1994 by Ben R. Rich

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1994

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Rich, Ben R.

Jano, (Worn: a personal memotr of my yeara at Lockhood / Bea & Rich and Ioo

ст.

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OVERFLYING RUSSIA

158

The next thing we tried was something called a Salisbury

screen, a metallic grid applied to the airplane's undercarriage

in the hope of deflecting incoming radar beams, but it worked

only at some frequencies and altitudes and not at others.

Kelly thought it was more practical to. try special iron fer

rite paints that would absorb a radar ping rather thai.

bounce it back to the sender. The paints were moderately ef-.

fective but inhibited heat dissipation through the airframe's

outer skin and we experienced overheating engine problems.

But the paint lowered the radar cross section by one order of

magnitude, so we decided to give it a try. We called these

specially painted airplanes "dirty birds" and shipped the first

one out for flight testing in April 1957. Our test pilot, Bob

Sieker, took the U-2 up to over. seventy thousand feet and

suddenly, radioed that he was experiencirig rapid airframe

heat buildup. Moments later his engine blew out and the face-

plate blew off Bob's oxygen mask as his pressure suit in-

stantly inflated. The U-2 dove straight down and crashed. It

took us three days to locate the wreckage and Bob's body, An

autopsy revealed that above seventy thousand feet he had

suffered acute hypoxia and lost consciousness in only ten

seconds. The culprit that killed him was a defective faceplate

clasp that cost fifty cents:

The CIA was so desperate to buy time for these Soviet over-

flights that Bissell got Kelly to sequester four of our test flight

engineers and have them write a bogus flight manual for a U-2

twice as heavy as ours anch with a maximum altitude of only

fifty thousand feet that carried only scientific weather gear in

its bay. The manual included phony instrument panel photos

with altered markings for speed, altitude, and load factor

limits. Four copies were produced and then artificially aged

with grease, coffee stains, and cigarette burns. How of if the

agency got them into Soviet hands orily Mr. B knew, and he

never told.

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Questions for Follow-up DO Records Briefing

April 1, 1997

1. At what point did the DDP begin to keep records of destroyed records? For

example, in a Cold Warrior footnote, Tom Mangold reports that as any of Angleton's

files were destroyed, "a complete record was carefully maintained about what had been

done. (George) Kalaris signed off on every file and the DCI's office was notified."

(p. 143) Where are these records?

2. Could an archival search be run on specific topics for retired records at the CIA's

Record's Center? Perhaps an ARRB staffer could be present during the search to review

the abstracts and to suggest other fields or topics to be searched?

3. Could a crypt search for records containing relevant crypts be run through

cryptographic reference? How would queries need to be framed and stated?

4. Why is it so difficult to develop a list for all personnel (official, contract,

administrative, or TDY) assigned to the post referenced in RIF 104-10065-10199 from

1959-1964?

5. We have been working to identify all technical and surveillance operations in and on

the Cuban and Soviet consulates and embassies in Mexico City between September 1

and December 1, 1963. How can we frame a search query to determine if we have a

comprehensive and complete list of all operations at that time?

6. How can a search query be framed to document all electronic take produced by the

Mexiço City Station in the immediate wake of the assassination (the first month) and

during the period of Oswald's visit? How can we verify that what exists in the

Sequestered Collection represents all records of the technical production that was

vailable at the time of the assassination? If additional records or original productio

ill exists, where would it be stored or filed? What searches could be conducted i

retrieve any additional records? If such electronic take has been destroyed, do records

exist of the destruction?

7. Could you describe the process by which operational funds are proposed, approved,

received, and distributed (circa 1963). What funding and disbursement records exist?

How are they organized? How should a request be formulated to institute a reasonable

search of these records?

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8. We have seen DDP monthly operational reports which contain information on the

allocation/ distribution of operational funds. Are there other DDP records which would

reflect how certain projects utilized their funding? How are these records organized?

How should a search query be framed?

9. Various open sources have linked the CIA to various journalists and publishing

companies during the 1960's. How should a query be framed to search for connections

between the Agency and journalists or publishing companies?

10. Did the Agency have any relationship, projects, or contacts with publishing houses

during the time of the assassination and in the aftermath of the Warren Commission?

How would a search be formulated to determine whether or not the Agency had a

relationship with any of the same publishing houses that were also publishing books

11. How would a query be framed to search for files on any office or person dealing

with organized crime and Cuba? How should a request be formulated to institute a

reasonable search on this topic?

12. Is there a comprehensive record or list detailing the identities of individuals on the

Interagency Source Register? How are these records organized? How can a search

query be framed to ascertain whether or not a particular individual appears in the

Register.

13. How could a search query be framed to ascertain whether or not a particular

Individual was given access to classified information by DCD (then OO)? What kind of

files are assembled in the process of clearing non-Agency contacts/ sources for access to

classified information?

14. ARRB's Request for Additional Information and Record No. CLA-13, dated

November 1, 1996, contained the following questions:

A.

What forms of backchannel communications were there between the

Mexico City Station (including the COS), JMWAVE, or Headquarters

during 1963? By "backchannel" we mean, inter alia, any administrative,

senior staff, or restricted access communications, or any written or

electronic communications other than regular cables or dispatches (of the

type included in the JFK Collection).

Were there, In fact, any backchannel communications between the Mexico

City Station (including the COS), JMWAVE, or Headquarters during the

time periods 27 Sept - 16 Oct 1963 and 22 Nov - 30 Nov 1963?

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C.

To the extent that there were any backchannel communications for the

time periods 27 Sept - 16 Oct 1963 and 22 Nov - 30 Nov. 1963 (other than

those currently contained in the JFK Collection), please make such records

available for review.

Why has it been so difficult to answer these questions?

15. ARRB's Request for Additional Information and Record No. CIA-14, dated

December 23, 1996, documented our request for the annual or biannual Station reports

for Mexico City Station for 1963 and 1964. Why has it been so difficult to provide these

reports?

16. The attached Agency document released in 1996 contains the paragraph:

11. A memorandum marked only for file, 16 March 1967, signed M.D.

Stevens, says that J. Monroe SULLIVAN, #280207, was granted a covert

security approval on 10 December 1962 so that he could be used in Project

QKENCHANT. (Clay) Shaw has # 402897-A.

What do these numbers mean? What does the "A" at the ends of Shaw's number

signify? Do the files identified by these numbers still exist? Why was Sullivan granted

a covert security approval?

17. During the period 1959-1963, what was the purpose or goal of QKENCHANT?

18. Under what circumstances were non-agency employees given covert security

clearances for the QKENCHANT project?

19. Did Clay Shaw receive a covert security approval for the QKENCHANT project?

Why was one needed? Did Clay Shaw receive covert security clearances for any

project other than QKENCHANT

20. What did Clay Shaw do within the QKENCHANT project?

21. Do recorde exist to account for the disposition of all files on Clay Shaw?

22. Did Howard Hunt have any involvement with the QKENCHANT project prior to

19647

23. Did J. Monroe Sullivan have any involvement with the QKENCHANT project prior

to 1964?

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SECRET

SECRET

24. The DO telephone directories list an Operational Services/ Defector Staff beginning

in October 1959? What was the Defector Staff? Did it have an operational component?

25. In the period 1959-1964, were DO officers, selected to serve overseas under State

Department cover, legally considered to be "members of the Foreign Service, appointed

{by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate?'

SECRET

SECRET

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CATA 50417 214/47

CIA HISTORICAL REVIEW PROGRAM

Releasa As Sanilized

1998

• d.

on page 4 here paragraphil:

Enclosure 21

I've eclubel a por cory

of разь 4 that cortsess the k!'

SUAJECT ClAY LOKBRAW (202-813493).

subjeot was born on 17 March 1913 In New Orleans,

Ionialana.

Standard background InFormation on Subjeat

(parents, manital atatus, records of aducation and

employmant, sta.) la laoking bacause SHAH vas a contaat

of the Domestio Contact Service.

Traces on subjoot have been run in RID/Main

Index,

the indox of the office of security and the

Central Cover staff.

The firet showed only a 1951 FBI

Interview with SHAY about a former amployee of the New.

Orleans Intornational Trade Mart.

The sacond showed

that 00/Contaats Division had reguested a nane trace :

•"about 1949 and that the check of FBI redords then don-

ducted was negativa, Central Cover Staff had no regora.

some of the oo-a reports basad on shAW's

Isporting are on hand.

They are the following.

fIt

18 noted that the source devaription identiflas the

'sOuICe by Job tltza.)

•a. OOMB 47958,

director at the tater Pond radetona

CAS

Mart by one DE. Jutta SCHALLER, a trade

conaultant to the Bonn coverment.

The

lettar 1a a follownup of digousalons hold

Yow Orleans during Decembar 1951.

The

lattar said that Sovsat produation ana

export trado vere being advertised and

Coman 1130-49 2-Y

for FOlA Review on.

DEC 1977

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LALRABAD, INN PL. 108-B98 (FK 10I

CATA Sl6 247n. 214/97

- SEGRET

promotad by Meat German money.

In Hamburg, at a pilca mush lower than

compatitive volumes.

00-8-9381,

27 Dedimber 1918.

Information

aoquirad 18 Dacember 1948.

SHAW identified

by job tItle) has agreed to leaso to the

.

00-8-4933-49, 14 June 1949, Information

data late April and early May 1949.

Rasultg

of a trip SHAW mada In March through. May

1949 In West Indias, Central Anarias, and

Northern. South Anarica.

00-D-4934-49: 14 Juna 1949, same general

subjeat and baokground as abova.

00-3-4935-49, 11' June 1919, as above.

1..

SHAH tILP

America and the caribbean araa.

It Is belleved that he was introduced by clay surd.

On 3 March. 1969 the Hashington Stay reported

that Carrison had arrested BHAN and had made publio

charges that siNt, FERRIE, OSWALD, and others had pLottRo

he assassination in the apartment of FaRRIE at 3300

Loulalans Parkway, New orleans.

SHAW has sald that he

nevEr sAW OSWALD.

Me denies having used the name Clay

BERTRAND.

Jack 8. MARTIN sald that FERRIE had mentioned

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MELANAND PER PL. 102828 (UFK ACT) I

MARA GL

.asia. 224147

-SEONCT

SHAN to him.

J.. Montoe SULLIVAN, executive diractor of

the san Franciaco World Trada Center, told the Annoolated

Preas that SHAW Was In San PranclaCo and touring the

Canter with him on the day of the assassination.

now ratirad, was formaxly the managing director of the

International Trade Mart In New Osleanu.. He lu 58 years

o1d..

ramaay.Clark, u.s.

said that the

FBI had Investigated SIlAN late in 1963.

that the isI has, thare was no connection sound with the

assanaination.

7. Memorandum No. 84-67, 3 March 1967, from Chios,

Now Orleans Office, to Director, Domatio Contaot sarvide,

Le SHAW.

The firat contact of the New Orleans offloo

of the Des with clay sHAN occurred in

December 194.8.

A nans check raquest was

• raturnad "no Info". on 23 March

was contaoted by Mr. Kunter Loake of tha

Naw Orloans

OffLOA BOVEn tIMEB IN 1IGj,

twice in 1950,

Ilva times in 1951, nino

•imas in 1952, once in 1951, twica In 2954,

twice in 1955,

and twice In 1956.

SHAW

1s the source of eight 00-8 reports sub-

mittad by the New Orlaans office.

it one

tima ha had the 'y' namber 145.1.

The

last contaat took placa on 25 May 1956.

On 23 January 1967 Jack S. HURTIN phonad

no New orleans office, Bald that he wai

sorkino on an important undarcover deal

for. Garrison and Detactiva toulo IvoN.

and was calling at IVON's roguest.

He was

culling to ask the head of the CIA offloa

to telephone IvoN on his unliated number.

No such call vas made General Counsel ba

The writer, Lloyd

A. Ray, aoks that the

informad and that he provide aduica..

8.

Undatad and unsignod mamorandum (probabls

produced by CI/R & 1).

ho following additional infor

mation was provided by the New Orleans office ot Des:

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Sines 25 lay 1050 Mr. Hoshomteekdhad acon SuN% carually,

by cuenca.

40un town Kiw Orlaons

contertance,

and arnotingo ward exchanged.

aha. ace nuch

ancountor, war Just bofore StaWs racicenont in 1065.

on " March 1067 Travda publichad an artiole

called

"Clay Bhau of cha

CHA" datolinod Rons,

6 Merch

2067, witton. by Vi YORKOV,

no atele chargod that. *

Cin nade, unc of tha sericas of Clay SiNd fo= CIA's can

Incarnat in Italy.

nanascination. conapiracy

In Pons an & Nocd Trada Contor Lordos

Ie claims that

the Contos.was a coror fer Linmainy on: Cormintos activity.

CIA dava directives to. SIAN.

To kocle Trade Cantor was

a branch of "painleorin (aio),

"unich tha novanarore 1h

(Concants

Is appaar that ell o1 tha Traude Charoos are

•unemo, Orcope that thora was a CLA-CIAN

201a510nah45

Sca

£ar,.06. 1a. knoún; SUMX wea rocar asked to uco hir rotation

chis Wich tha World rando Contor fo= clandost ro purposes

unde

1a fact,

ho hao not boon an Italy.

10%*

20G7 subjocts, Italim Airdoco di tho clay Thau Miage.

pho Couplans Molla Boin ot 5. Marol 1002 has da abelate

the arcastination. ond, the. Nosid Frede Consor.

contains no palovant inforatton..

manorandon muriad only or fito,

26 Mauch 1007,

0200207

no that, ho could ba unad in trojoet Cranchant.

0603097

ilorogandum feợp

2907,: Cubsadt:

inroe rollite an. Farrone Conneated with

Contra londikla Comercinlo" (Kozld Izada Conter), 1120d

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Same page,.

better copy.

QK redacted

SEGRET

S1nca.75 May 1956 ME. Huntar-Jaake had soon SHAW oasually,

by chanca.

In various downtown New Orleans restauranta,

and grootinga waro axchanged.

The last such casual

encounter vas just bafore sHAH's retirament In 1965.

On 9 Maxch 1967 frauda publiahed en artlola

aalled "Clay shau of. the Cix" datallned Roma, 6 March

1967, WIltten by V, TERMAROV.

the article chargod that

CIA made use of the satvioes of ClaY SHAN fOr CIN'S OUT

intarante In:Italy.

The Prevas place notes that thie dA

In New Oxleans da acousing SHAl. of partialpation in the

In Rons as a Marla Trado Canter leader.

the Centar was & cover-for finanaing anti-communiat notdulty:

Is gave diractives to sunW The World Trade Cantor was

• brunch. of "Peraldax"

(u1o), "which the newspapere in

Switzerland openly accuaed óf "ariuinal operations'

...."

(Commonts. It' appears that all of the pravda chasges aro

untrue, excapt: that there was a CIA-SHAN calationship.

far as

In knOwn, SHAN WaS nOVer anXed tO una his ralatiOn-

ship with

the Horld Trada Contex for alandestina purposas

and, in faot, he has sot been in Italy.)

2-0.

Memorandum from C/sUrVI to C/CI/REs, 8 March

1967 subjaots. Italian Aspacto of the clay shaw ricall.

The carriore dolla Sara of 5 March 1967 has an artialo

about siAH,. the assassination.

and the World Trade Centar.

•Contains no salavant informatión.

• mamorandun markad onLy lor tile, 16. Maron tiG

agnod M. Du. Stevens, duys that J. Monroc SULLIVAN, 1280207.

was granted a covert naourity approval, on 10' Dacembar 1962

so that he could do usad in Project LJINCHANT. SHAN HaS

+402897-0.

Memorandum from C/EUR/I to C/CI/R & A, 24 March

"Trace resulte on Persons Conneated with

Centro unadato Commay laa- (Horla fade Conter), Ailed

CI/R'& 1 folder, Clay'SHAN - working papors.

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The 5: March 1967 ¿sue of IL Messaggazo

Links SHIN with the Norld irade center.

othora linked to the cantar wore traced,

with resulta roportod in this mamorandum.

No ralationship to tho Caxtison Invastigation

"Parmidas"

In Rome,

World Trada Centor and Permidex are

associatad. Again, thora 1s no Information

here which relates

significantly to the

case Garxison la trying to build in New

orioans..

13.

The Washington Post,

Outlook, 2 April 190%,

"soaking truti in Ney. Orleans in tha Middla of the

Night", Ceoxge Laranor, JI.

Garrieon's man droys RUSSO to SHAW's

French quartax homa.

RUSSO posad a8 &

Mutual of Onnha salesman.

He knocked at

door: SHAW anawered.. RUSSO sald that he

waB Clem BERTRAND.

SILAN Le a 51-year old bachelor 'and

socialita who ploneared the ji-story

International Trade Mart In New orleans.

¡le was subpaanaad by Gastinon's offloe

According to hlo Islande,

his questioners

righta.

They told him thay had avidence

of a meeting with fErrIe and oswaLo.

There was a LUBS and SyAl use SEXOBte.

and booked on conspiracy to murdar yek.

told reporters that he did not know clay

SHAN, but he Identified the man arrested

by Garrison as Chem BERTruND.

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Mr. Cruxe, No; I thik in ench cose it will depend no much on the ditoaton

with the partlentar person. If a person comes la and be fe very iritated or

romething of that kind, it might dictate a lotally different nyproach than a dider

ent kind of tbing

Mr. Duzzas, Wouldo? It be metul though to gire- I don't want to sugtent

what the Secrotary of Sate whould do in this, bat in the light ut the expert

ence, would there not be some beeft posibly in glung people im the feld the

revait of the experience gainal in this partierlar cane?

Mr. Crayya. Well, the neral appreck, and other matters related to it

ne touched an bu ortantation copree for convalaz oficers anil no 00.

ma I look on Consul Shyder's actioos, that he babared very much like & repor

nible Foreigo Bervies onicer.

Tout bappened long before I was in the Department, so I can bay that

without any involvement. But it sored to me that he did. just

should bave done, dempite the unfortunate aftermath. And It shows to me, at

Jenst, that the training mod ocientation that there people are setting le right, i

of Abram Lhayes

of state

minicable, and they are ahle to boodle there ituations as they come te.".

Mr Dutrs.I realis that you ought not to presbe hard and hat rules,

Jost rate the question as to whether s good deal, of experience haun't been faloed

, In this case in that very ded

Mr. Osams Well, li muy very well bo that more attentim to that partientar

• aspect «bould be'pirea la tbe orientatiod coames

Thous things

tend to reflect what In hot at the moment for know, and it you haren't had

trable with something for a pretty long time, it tenda maybe not to get

mentloned .

Reprventatio Fam. If Orla had pendated that day, October 8l, In de

Testimony

Legal Advisor, Dept.

woul! Bnyder have beea reypired to give It to him and permit bim to algn titt

Xe. Cants I thine t it bed been X. ordinary

ofice hoars when the cor

milate was open for businens, and 1i Enyder wis satiated that be was compebeci

that Orwald we competent, he woald have to give him the loom, Jet, kit

Representative Four, Duen Snyder, taro the nuthority to mako i debermina.

Won of competency?

Mr CuaTas, No; ha doem't have the anthority to mate a determinatioo of

competencs, and I suppose it la possible at somo point to get the lasue tried in

court

But I Chial a conclar olicer would probably be actlog within hia

decretion if ho saw sombody who mas drunk or carlos or mmething and just

sald; "Well, I am not going to give you this unill I am tre that your action is

yone sct."

Alber all, mbez the consul accepts the ott, bo is certitue that it

arren

Is the act of the perm le a meniogtul sense, and no if he thought that the

penon was locompetent, & think be would have discretion po to cire fas onta

But I put that for aulde becare in the particular euse bors, My. Boyder made it

pertectly clear that he hul so reason to donbt that Orwald was fully competent

And no te Oswald had been there at a time when'the oftes war open, or had

rpturned at a time when the offce was open, and hul persisted in his demand,

I think Anyder would have been under an olligation to elve hie the forn

Representative Ton, The only technical mund or baus ton which Barder

coold bave denied Ouwald the right that doy was the fet that it was on a

Baturday, a non workins-bour pedod of the lonbasey.

Mr. Cores Tes; I that to had every right to try to diade bin, or per

made him not to act or periade bin to think it over and come back the sent

dey.

But It witer all of that Orald will bodaold "Eut I want to do lt now"

and te the offce was open for budrens. then I think he wali have bail to do it

„Me. Douse ll Chink It might be metal le it has not beer done to introdoc

at the point sa an extolt the form of oath of remunclation.. Here la the for

mallood oath and I think it wald be well to have this in our reard unle

It lo already in vor secrede.

Bepreyntative Vora, I agree

Mr. Cotor. No: it Ink Conld wo my ll will be marked as Commine

Exhibit No. 055 and pluce this adicker on that roes, photoctat it and theo Joat

(Countanion Itchitit No 06o we muried for Identifichtlon and recetred to

Regrentative Fini When Orwald came back on November & I bellers, lach

was i regalar worldig day

Mr. Coral. Mr Cunniion, Lo dil sot come lack on November &. Ho

merely wrote a lother

Me. CHArm. Wrote a letter.

He never came buck

Reprennaire Ton, Are mil a the employees, Me foyder, Me MoDelur,

nod. the others who had uny. Unsthand evotact with the Ormalt cate to thin

ares, were they State Deportment enploypeu?...

WE CRaTe Yes so; More bro men who were the ol on who ald me

him directly, I thik the matery, thate secretary aho arw him bat had notng

to do with him sept as a resentiont Thee two men were lordeo Sery.

Sce offere mid ars now Foreigi Beryloe oncern

Bepent tve Vomi, Ia the atrichet term

Mr. Caria Ten pie; niembers of the fucin Berton apponted do this

WaDt:aI

reakdent with the achies and coosent of the Benate.

• Becomen atire Man, Chald you tell me ta' a bit more detall the promis that

you followed or the procedure that you corded out whoo you tint rot tuto the

Orraid camo

You wentlued-yenterday you got a call or you were directed by I bellere

the Secretary of State er by nomebody in bigher nuthority to tute cortuin seps

Will you telt us who called you, what yon did in the trut & ord duost

Mr. Orarza. It wus the rening «t the dus, perhaps about i oclock 'm the

day of the amandortion. It may have been somewhat curtler, bectrise I think

i raumber I went home for me bour and then came back to cuiry out this

a defector n

Mr. Duur. Ball is the Under Decretary of Statin

D-C

Me. OKarks. He was tbea the Acting Secretary. because the Becretary of Bonte

• you recall was on A plane over the Facile,. Bo he was the Acting Secretary.

But even ll' bo had been the Under Bocretary be le my client

Repacentatire Fort. Be It0l had some autbority.

kir. CraTes Jes; he directed me to suther together the files ia the Depurtnent

on Oswald, and to prepare a report to be avalinble for bir the first thing in the

maring covering as best-we conld within that time man the contrete that

Oswald had with the Departant

We cot the passport ile. We got the security offce file We got the medial

conular services fle which covered Mr. Orvalde via and the repetziation

Ican:' I think those three flies were the coes that we bail. It may have been

there was a smaller fourth file, but I think those thrise were the mex.

Keproentative Fox, What would that smaller fourth file bet

Ne. Cart, I cun't remember. It wis duplientes it it was anything. Ol, that

In rebe we bad a visa file nod un BC3 lile no those were the fonx.

Me, that lo Special Cunnilar Serrioen in the ofioe, in the Buran of Becurity

and Copaular Attaine

Nepresentative Iowa Ton got this order on or about & o'clock the 29d ol

Mr. Quarta, The 22di you, wir.

Representative Toro, And you lamed enters to have these files brought in,

or did you go and get the yourselt?

Bepresentative For. Or What haypened?

Nix. OmaxEs. I lened orders to have them brought in. Tealed I au trynn

state Dept emploco

to thiok how we got then (Tuart to Mr. Khrlich) Did you go down and

get theml Mr. Ehrlich and IG

moments anotber of wy people, we worked

throngh the night on this, the lure al on aul together and it may be that the

two of them went don to get them. I don't think we furt called over the lele

phone und wited ther. to be brought up.

, (Dineumon of the zecord)

Me. Ozurate i tE ioy recollection that ane ot

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