Agency: HSCA
Originator: NEW ORLEANS DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Document date: 00/00/0000
Document type: REPORT

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JFK Assassination System

Identification Form

Agency Information

Date:

10/2/201

AGENCY :

RECORD NUMBER :

HSCA

180-10111-10065

RECORD SERIES: NUMBERED FILES

AGENCY FILE NUMBER :

012523

Released under the John

issassination Records

Collection Act of 1992

144 USC 2107 Notel.

54756 Date:

Document Information

NEW ORLEANS DISTRICT ATTORNEY

ORIGINATOR:

FROM:

TO:

TITLE :

DATE: 00/00/0000

PAGES:

434

SUBJECTS :

ANTI-CASTRO ACTIVITIES

CUBA EASTERN AIRLINES

OSWALD, LEE, POST-RUSSIAN PERIOD, AFFILIATIONS

GARRISON INVESTIGATION

FERRIE, DAVID, ASSOCIATES AND RELATIVES

DOCUMENT TYPE: REPORT

CLASSIFICATION: Unclassified

RESTRICTIONS: 3

CURRENT STATUS: Redact

DATE OF LAST REVIEW: 01/31/1996

OPENING CRITERIA:

COMMENTS :

Files re: David W. Ferrie, his activities and associates. Box #:222.

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CHIVES DETAIL

PERRIES TRAVELS

He Told Agents He Was in

New Orleans Nov. 22

By NAN ROBERTSON:

WASHINGTON,

Feb. " 24

Documents in the National Ar-

chives. added today details

to

the account of David W. Fer-

rie's movements during the week

of President. Kennedy's, assas-

sination.

t......

Mr. Ferrie,

who

was found

dead in his bed Wednesday.

in

New Orleans, was a suspect in

an investigation

by the

New

Orleans District Attorney, Jim

Garrison, of an

alleged assas:

sination plot. Mr. Garrison says

the

plot

was "hatched. in New

Orleans:

andcarried

Dallas.:

out

Secret Service records show

that:

Mr.

Ferrie told agents

shortly:

after

the assassination

that he

"positive" he had

been in New Orleans on the day

of the murder,

Friday; Nov.

1963, and on the preceding day

Secret Service

men.

quoted

him as having said he was cer-

tain of his whereabouts "because

he had been in court in connec-

tion

with

_trial

involving

Carlos Marcello." The New Or-

leans

city

directory lists: Mr.

Marcello as the owner: of

the

Town and Country. Motel.

Weekend in Texas

Mr. Ferrie further testified

that he left New Orleans about

9 P.M. the day of the assassina-

tion with two male companions

and spent the weekend in Hous-

ton and Galveston, Tex, Federal

Bureau of Investigation docu-

ments based;

on

hotel records

confirmi that the three were in

those cities that weekend.

The week, after the assassi-

nation Lee Fletcher, a porter

at Fine, Alamotel, in -Houston,

showed F.B.I.

agents a regis-

tration card with

the informa-

tion

Alvin

Beaubouef: and Melvin,

that: D. W. Ferrie, Coffey

checked into Room 19, Alamo-

tel; at 4:3024 M. Nov. 23, 1963."

The

Nov.

23,

1963,: date on

the:

card

was written

over a

Nov. 22 date. Mr. Fletcher

ex-

plained to the agents that: "this

occurred because of the early

morning time which

Thew your temes

teb 2571967

jects checked in the motel, but

he was

quite

sure the right

date was the 23rd."

The record also shows. that

the men stayed

until the

..fol-

lowing day,

Sunday, Nov. 24

but this conflicts with

card

shown

to the F.B.I:

in

Gal-

veston.

Hotel in Galveston

Mrs. Mary Doveri, a clerk at

the Driftwood Motel in Galves-

ton,

presented

a registration

card with the information that

the ; same

three

1104

checked

into the Driftwood

at 11 P.M.

Saturday,

NoV.:

23.

•Another

clerk, Shirley Dial; testified they

left. about 10 A.M. the next day,

Sunday.

.The

record

cards

for both

motels stäted that Mr. Ferrie

and his companions were

driv-

ing. a

car with Louisiana license

No. 784-895. Mr. Ferrie had told

agents that it was a light blue

Cove

1961

Comet station

wagon

(made by Mercury)

that

he

had bought in New Orleans sev-

eral weeks before. At the Hous-

ton motel, it was listed

as

'Comet automobile;" at Galves-

ton,

i as a

"Ford station wagon."

The mileage and driving

time

between New Orleans and Hou-

ston are put by

the

American

Automobile Association at 364

miles

and eight to nine hours

i couston

and

•Galveston

are _50

said he started back to New

miles apart, about one hour's,

Orleans in

the early afternoon

drive.

Dallas where President

Nov:

arriving

Kennedy was killed

is

about

243 3 P.M. He again talked to Mr

miles, and 5 hours and 15 min- Gill,

"who accompanied him

tc

utes away from Houston,

the Orleans Parish District: At-

Long Distance Calls

# torney's office;

where he was

wanted for questioning in con-

While: at the Houston motel;

nection with the Oswald case."

Mr.

Ferrie made several long

The 10 pages of declassified

distance: calls.

Hotel

records

reports: on

Mr.

Ferrie: in the

listed one local call nd four to

National: Archives are part of

New Orleans:

the Warren Commission records

Two of these were to radio

stations-WSHO and

WDSH

relating to the Kennedy assas-

sination."

About 40 more pages

The other two, were found to-

are still classified by the F.B.I

day to have been to the Town

The examined pages were de

Country, Motel, owned

'by!

classified

in September, 1965.

Mr. Marcello and the Fountain, But until this month, they were

bleu Motel, at which Mr.

eau-

scattered : throughout

many

beufs

widowed.

mother,

Eve-

thousands of pages of informa-

lyn;

workedsas

a switchboard tion., Marion Johnson,

the: ar-

operator.

The latter call was chivist in charge of the Warren

collect.

Commissioni records,

compiled

Mr. Ferne told the Secret the available: records about Mr.

service in a long statement that Ferrie in response to requests

he and his companions returned

from New Orleans reporters.

to New Orleans about 9:30 P.M

Sunday, Nov. 24, 1963. He then

'There

are" 1,554

documents

used in the Warren inquiry in

"telephoned attorney G. Wray

the archives. Each document is

Gill Iby whom he is employed

several inches thick.

•iTwo-

times.

investigator] several

thirds of these have been

de-

classified under

guidelines

At Mr. Gill's suggestion,

explained,

Mr.

not

drawn up. by the Justice De-

Ferrie said he

left New.

Orleans.

aione

about

partment and approved by the

White House.:

midnight that night and drove

to Hammond,

La.,

where

he

stayed with a friend at: South-

eastern:

Louisiana College.

The friend, Thomas Compton,

did research in narcotics addic-

tion, Mr. Ferrie said. Mr. Ferrie

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tome

Jan &

Dear Bastard

Got your letter fron Dec.30 Did you get my Chris mas letter ard

the letter with

the airolare sic ures? You did not say, so I was

gure whether you got them or not.

Cne of ny flight students loaned me some ser movies for one night.

It was two reels o? 8 um film with some dude fucking this broad. Fe got his

nuts jerking under her inee, sce blew bin, he fuck d her in the

ags twice

ard in the oussy twice. Fone I can get them back when you get back so you

car see trem,

too. dinny was over when I showed them. The

"come" flew that

night.. I could have raned an exhaust oice they made me so hot.

That Cloud 9 you sent

What is it? Can you send more.

If you have to say for it let me krow ord

'il send the dough. erns

when you get back. Fare you ever bried nills. There is a bunch of different

ores. Some make you get on cloud 9 tro.

Serd me some if you con excent

last time.

The weather continues at its stittiest. I am losing money like

a mother fucker. I hore this shit stors scor.

We have tr ask f1l?.?? on hur for it to mae a nrofit..

still no business for the Beech to sneak ofa t em worried somewhat.

me other guy,

a big politician, come by ard sited talking to me tedera cit b ring

Aztec (6 place) with all the goodies: duble ILs , 3 Licts Marker Be=con,

ADF ard DiE and puttir it to ser:. Fe claims tha

he has. the bisiness to

keen it going. I hore that he is right.

mhen do you hit the States? What date?

tha: date do you hit

New Crleans? Then are we going te bet "bombed"?. ETC ETC ETO

Wilte you bitch and give me the word

GONFIDENTIAL K

FER CHANACTER EVALÜATICH

OF BLACKSTOrEOVLY:

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NEW ORLEANS SOUSE DERASTMENT

FAmed Numb District

Iter

Not en

Show Arrest Credi

-352

2 K=13880-63

Last

ame

First

Martens

Lay ton

Middle

_atrick

26

Residence

ALIAS:

Complainant and

Address

•Place

Street No. & Street

City, Parish, County

/State

Arrested

3:30

La.

Are.

City

Arrested

• Location

3330 La. A°

Dist.

Zone

Date

2

R

11-25-63

Arresting officers

and where assigned

Time

1:30 A.M.

P.M

Charge

R514 Art. 107 Para 587 rel. to

Vagrancy,

Under investigation of

Subversive. activities.

HODD FOR F.B.I. AND SECRET SERVICE

D/SGT

Comstock

Det.

c Ivon

Jonau

C.

Niedermeier

F. Williams

DiA. Office

89

Birthplace (City

and

State)

Birth Date

Race

Sex

F-ge

Heigit

6/1

Weight

Eyes

Hair

Comp.

N.D., La.

Occupation

Photo Tech.

Remarks:

2- 19-43

Arrested with

W

145

Gro

Alvin Roland Beaubouef, wm

The se subjects arrested and charged with investigation of

Subversive activities..

Brn!

Fair

Francis Burgess: 991

D/Sgt.

Fingerprint Classification

Disposition

Left Hand

N.O.P.D. Number

Right Hand

F.B.I. Number

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RR:

May 22, 1964

Item Nos. K-13880-63

K-14238-63=

TO:

Joseph I. Giarrusso, Superintendent of Police

FROM:

Sgt. Fenner Sedgebeer

SUBJECT: The arrest of the below named subjects:

1. Alvin Roland Beaubouef, w/m, age 20

years, residing 3330 Louisiana Avenue

Parkway

2: Layton P, Martens, w/m, age 18, residing

2427 Alvar Street.

Subjects Nos. 1 and

2 were arrested at about 11/25/63 from

3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway, booked

in the Second District Police Station

with R.S. 14:107, vagrancy, under

in-

vestigation of subversive

activities.

3. David Ferrie, w/m, 46, residing 3330

Louisiana Avenue Parkway, arrested at

about 5:25 P.M. from Tulane and Broad

Streets, booked in the First District

Station with R.S. 14:107, vagrancy,

pending investigation of being a fugitive

from the State of Texas.

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At about midnight on November 24, 1963, Officers

R. Comstock, L. Ivon, C. Jonau, C. Neidermier and F. Williams,

met Assistant District Attorney, Frank Klein, in the office

of the District Attorney. At that time Mr. Klein began an

investigation as to the possibility of David Ferrie being

involved in the assasination of President John F. Kennedy.

which had occurred in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963 by

the hands of Lee Harvey Oswald. Information had been brought

to the attention of Mr. Klein that David Ferrie and Lee Harvey

Oswald had been friends

and associates in the past.

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With this information at about shortly after midnight

these officers went to 3330 Louisiana Avènue Parkway, knocked

on the door and same was opened by a subject who identified

himself as Alvin Beaubouef. The officers requested the present

whereabouts of David Ferrie and Beaubouef said he did not know.

It was obvious that he was trying to conceal the facts. He was

placed

under arrest and the officers went up to the second

story apartment where they found Layton Martens seated in a

chair. This subject was questioned and he stated that he was

presently living with Ferrie. However, he did not know the

present whereabouts of Ferrie. Martens too was placed under

arrest and the

officers instituted a search.

In this residence

was found a smith & wesson 38 cal. 5 inch barrell 6 shot

• revolver, butt No.

85392, cylinder No. 96585; a holster for

this revolver; a 22 cal: Hamilton rifle; a large bore. English

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Army type rifle, Serial No. 7/47AB5633; a bayonet having a

holster; a flare gun; and a large quantity of ammunition.

Martens denied the ownership of these items stating they be-

longed to Ferrie.

Martens and Beaubouef were conveyed to the district

police station and a continuous stakeout was placed on 3330

Louisiana Avenue Parkway. Numerous locations in the city were

checked in an

attempt to locate Ferrie. All were negative.

At about 4:30 P.M. on this date of 11/25/63, David Ferrie

appeared in the office of the District Attorney with his

attorney, Mr. G. Wray Gill. At this time he was questioned by

Mr. Klein and Officer Comstock.. He was allowed to see a photo-

graph of Lee Harvey Oswald and he denied ever seeing this man

before.

He related a story of having left New Orleans at

about

9:00 P.M., Friday, November 22, 1963, going to Houston, Texas

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and the following day going on to Galveston, Texas, and return

ing to New Orleans at about 1:00 A.M. on 11/25/63:

Ferrie was placed under arrest after his interview

and booked in the First District Police Station as stated above.

col. Garrison of the Department f Public Safety,

Texas Rangers, was contacted by telephone by Mr: Klein and the

details surrounding the arrest of Ferrie were given to him.

His office conducted a

preliminary investigation; however, they

were unable to implicate this subject in the assasination of

President Kennedy: On 11/26/63 Captain Priest of the Houston

Police Department Detective Bureau was contacted by telephone

and asked to verify the movements which Ferrie described

relative to him being in the State of Texas. After several

hours Captain Priest notified this office the results of his

investigation which corroborated the story related by Ferrie

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in that Ferrie arrived in Houston on 11/23/63 and made a visit

to a skating rink owned by an individual named Roland. Captain

Priest was also able to corroborate Ferrie's story as to him

being in Galveston, Texas the following day.

The officers have been unable to uncover any

evidence which would link Ferrie to the assasination of Pre-

sident Kennedy.

All of the above described items seized from the home

of Ferrie were returned to him after they had been photographed

and serial numbers taken wherever possible:

District Attorney to be consulted in this matter.

FENNER SEDGEBEER

Clos

R. COMSTOCK

L. IVON

•C.. JONAU

C. NEIDERMEIER

F. WILLIAMS

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MAGYAR

FERRIE

8D-302 (Ro1.1-25-80)-

•CD -75:112

5

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dato

November 27

-

1.

DAVID PEARCE MAGYAR, Chief Pilot, Trans GuiT

Seaplane Service, mc.,

New Orleans,

• Louisiana,

that he obtalred a visitors visa to

adyised

travel to Mexico

about September 17, 1963.

He advised he departed New Orleano by acadiane

on September 24,

returned September 30;

He was hired by

the Williams - McWilllams Dredging Compary

of New Orleans to fly two employees

to a/puint about 60

to 70 alr miles south of lamplko, Mexico.

that these employees.of the Willlams - McWilllams f1rm

were CARL HACKENJOS and CARI SHEARRER (Phonetic).

stated that they passed through American Customs at

Brownsville, Texas,

on going to ard returning from

that the Willlams - MCWilllams f1rm

was hired by the Mexican Government to conduct an aeria

survey in regards to dredging a canal in Mexico.

MAGYAR Viewed a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD

and advised that he does not personally know OSWALD and

other than viewing him on television and reading about

him In the newspapers, he does not know anything else

about him.

MAGYAR advised that he was personally acquainted

Wet Capta DAE do that 1s to on a se

personal friend.

He advised that FERRIE was a former

Eastern Airlines pilot who about 10 years ago was in

charze of the Civil Air Patrol Unit which held meetings

at Moisant Airport.

He recalls that FERRIE seemed to be

able to handle young boys very well but does not know. whether

LEE HARVEY OSWALD was a member of the Civil Air Patrol at

He advised that GEORGE PIAZZA, 539 Henry Clay

Avenue, was one of Captain DAVE FERRIE's best friends and

would probably be able to furnish any pertinent information

regarding FERRIE that was needed.

MAGYAR was under the

impression that PIAZZA was a former member of the Civil

A1r Patrol and probably a member at the same time LEE

HARVEY OSWALD allegedly was a member.

11/27/63: 0t

New Orleans, Louisiana

Filo #

NO 89-59

SAS WILLIAM I. NEWBROUGH ard

• by

KEVIN J. HARRIGAN

isMS

11/27/63

- Date dictated

Thia document containe neither rocommendatione nor conclualone of the FBi. I ta the proparty of she Fat and la loared lo

your agency; it and lle contente are not to be diaribuled outaldo your agency. 5 p

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Co-?

NO 89-69

2

He also advised that a LEON QUIDRY (Phonetio)

presently

residing in New Orleans, exact address unknown,

was In the C1v11 A1r Patrol at the same time as Captain

DAVE FERRIE.

From what, he could recall, GUIDRY was the

Cadet Captain In the Civil Alr Patrol in charge of all

Cadets and would probably recall other members of the

CIvil Alr Patrol.

MAGYAR stated that in regards to his applying

for his tourist visa at the Mexican Consul In New Orleans

that he personally contacted the consul office in September

of 1963 but could not recall the exact date.

He stated

that no one was in the consul office during

the time that

he was there except the white female clerk who issued the

tourist visa to him..

He stated that it was about 2:30 p.m.

when he was in the consul's office to apply for his visa.

,and that no one entered the office while he was there.

59.0

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To Dallas

HO

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56: 00: 351

E35

Dalias

Dee: 161903

RE: DAVID WILLIAM FERRE

On November.

28, 1963, LEE FLETCHER,

Porter,

Alamotel,:

made available the Registration Card for the

23rd of November, 1963, which reflected the following

information:

W. FERRIE, ALVIN BEAUSQUER and VELVIN

Alamotel at

COFFEY checked into Roon 19, crom New Orleans,

Novembar 24, 1903,

Toey were driving

a comet automobile, bearing Louisiana license

784-892

or 784-895.

While at

the motel, FERRIE made the following

telephone calls:

To :

New Orleans - VE 33757

New Orleans

-947-6435 (called collect)

New Orleans

- WSHO Radio

New Orleans - WDSH Radio

Made one local call to MO 4-3581.

ser roge

On November 28, 1953, CHUCK ROLLAND,

Winterland

Skating Rink, 2400 Norfolk,

was interviewed, at which time

he stated that a man wno introduced himself

as a Mr.

FERRIS

Or FERRIE contacted him by telephone November 22,.

1963,

and asked for the skating schedule at the

Winterlaad

Skating Rink.

FERRIE stated that he was coming

from out of town and desired to do some skating while

in

On November 23,

1963, between 3:30 and 5:30 PM,

FERRIE and two companions came to the winterland

Skating Rink and talked to Mr. ROLLAND.

FERRIE had

a short general conversation

with Mir.

ROLLAND, but at Be

time did they aiscuss the cost of equipping of operating

an ice skating rink.

FERRIE stated to Mr. ROLLAND

that he and his companions would be in and out of the

skating rink during

the weekend.

the last time

ME. ROLLAND saw FERRIE or his companions:

The November 23,

1963, date on the Alamotel

Registration Card was written

over a November 22,

1953, date.

Mr. FLETCHER explained that this occurred because of the

early morning time which the suojects checked

the motel,

but he was quite sure the right date was the 23rd.

85

(HONEY

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HO 62-2115

CEK/IC

Re: DAVID WILLIAM FERRIE

The following Investigation was conducted by

SA CARLOS I. KIRSY, JR.:

AT GALVESTON, TEKAS:

On November 28,

1963, Mrs. MARY DOVERI, Clerk,

Calveston,

Driftwood Motor Hotel, 3128 Seawaln Cava 738053, wnien ke-

Texas,

exhioited Hotel Registrasion Cara

flected that MELVIN S. COFFEY,

ALVIN BEAUBOURS and DAVID

FERRIE registered at this

notel aü 11:00 Pi, November 23

1963,

and were assigned Room 117•

ney listed their adares

as 618 N. Pierce, New Orleans, Louisiana.

Records reflected

that they

checked out on November 24, 1963, time not listed.

Mrs. DOVERI stated that on November 24, 1963, one

of these individuals made a telephone call to Alexandria,

Louisiana, and talked three minutes and tre total charges

were 51.05. Telephone number called at Alexandria unknown.

On November 28, 1963, Mrs. SHIRLEY DIAL, ClerK,

Driftwood Motor Hotel, recalled that the above three in-

dividuals checked out at around 10:00 AM on November 24,

The above Registration Card reflected that these

Individuals were driving a Ford Station Wagon bearing

Louisiana license 784-895.

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62-2115

GriKsIC

Re: DAVID MILITAM FERRIE

The following investigation was conducted by

SA JOSEPH B. KILLGORE:

AI PORT ARMEUR. TEXAS:

on November 28, 1963, WILLIAM FRAUK POWMI, Weeks

service station, 3549 Guliway Drive (Highway S7), Port Arthur,

rexas, advised that cu Sunday, November 24, 1953, about 1:00

PM Or 2:00 PM,

three men in a light blue 1961 Conet Station

Wagon, stopped at the station.

The motor was not running

smoothly due to oil on the spack plugs, and they purchased

a new set.

The driver was described as a white male in his

early 20's. He was 5 feet, nine e

ten inches tall, weighed

130 to 140 pounds, with light brown hair, cut short.

One of the other passengers met this same description..

The third passenger was described as a white male, age 35 to

45 years.

He was five feet, ten inches to six feet tall,

heavy build, dark hair.

Portit stated they did not disclose their origin

or destiñation.

These men watched television for a short

time, believed to be after the actual murder of OSMAiD.

poNarI advised they seemed to de in sorewnat of a hurry•

He does not recall the direction they went when they left

the station.

tho

sther pages in this Dissment pitain o PERRE, and ho peges;

in bcoi in tris

Document he classified

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MEMORANDUM

24. February 1967

TO:

FROM:

SUBJ:

JIM GARRISON

DISTRICT ATTORNEY

WILLIAM GURVICH

INVESTIGATOR

ANDREW BLACKMON

-) Seaman

(USCG Z-1215890)

Following your request for information relative to ANDREW

BLACKMON, I am this date submitting this preliminary report.

ANDREW JEROME BLACKMON is a white male, born Greenville,

Mississippi on 15

September 1942. He is 5-10, 160, Ruddy,

Light Brown Hair, Blue Eyes.

Last known address of BLACKMON was Rt. 4, Box 230, Natchez,

Mississippi in 1965.

BLACKMON is a member of the Seaman's International Union.

Further information is being developed relative to what

vessel he might now be on or his location elsewhere if not

at. sea.

dietini N

WILLIAM H. GURVICH

wwich

WHG : wg

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6D75.=1

FD-302 (Rov. 1-25-601

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

1

Dato.

11/27/63

DAVID WILLIAM FERRIE WaS

interviewed at his

residence,

3330 LOuISIana Avenue Parkway and was advised

identity of interviewing Agents.

He was advised he

did not have to make a statement, that any statement he

did make could be used in a court of law and he had the

right to the advice of an attorney.

FERRIE Stated that at the time of the Bay of

Pigs Invasion of Cuba, he was very embarrassed and

concerned over the lack of air cover provided the Cubans

who were engaged is the invasion and that he severely

KENNEDy both in public and in

criticized President JOEN abes not recall specifically

private.

He stated that he

these criticisms and might have used

an off-hand or colloquial expression "He ought to be shot'

to express his feelings concerning the Cuban situation.

He stated that he has never made

any statement that

President KENNEDY should be killed with the intention that

this be done and has never at any time outlined or

formulated any plans or made any statement as to how this

could be done or who should do it.

FERRIE Stated that when it came

discussions, when the question of impeachment of President

KENNEDY arose he opposed any impeachnent proceedings.

FERRIE said that within one year prior to the first

Pussian

Sputnik he recalls being quite critical of the U.S. Space

Project and the Defense Program. He said he had also been

critical of any president riding in an open car and had

made the statement that anyone could hide in the bushes

and shoot a president.

FERRIE also advised that he has

been accused of being a worshiger of President KENNEDY

because he is a liberal and strongly believes in president

KENNEDY's Civil Rights program 'and Fiscal Program.

FERRIE stated he has never loaned his library

card to LEE HARVEY OSWALD or any other person at

and that his library card, to the best of his recollection

has not been out of his possession since it was issued to

He exhibited New Orleans Public Library card # M.I.

89437 bearing the stamped lettering N.R.

_ P.D. in the

left hand corner.. FERRIE said the letters N.R. mean non-resident,

On _

11/27/63 ot =

New Orlears, Louisiana Filed

NO 89-59

SA'S ERNEST C. WALL; IR. &

by .

THEODORE R. VIATER

/oa] Dato dictated_ 11/27/63

Thia document containe neithor resonmendations nor conclusions of the as. it is the property of ibe FBl and la joanad to

your agency; li and 188 contents are nor to be diairibuied outside your agoncy.

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NO 89-69

ECH: bal

and the letters P.D. mean paid. He related that at the tire

he obtained this library card

he was living in Metairie,

Louisiana and had to pay for the issuance of the card.

The library card shows

it was issued in the name of dr. DAVID

FERRIE,

331 Atherton Drive, and expiration date is shows as

13, 1963.

FERRIE stated he has no recollection of koowing

or having met LEE HARVEY

OSWALD in the Civil

Air Patrol or

in any business or social capacity.

FERRIE stated he has never owned a telescopic

a rifle equipped with a telescopic sight, has ever

used a weapon equipped with a telescopic sight and does

He also said he has never instructed

or anyone else in the use of American made

FERRIE said that while in the Civil Air Patrol

assisted in firearms instruction at Civil Air Patrol Bivouacs

150 blue

single engine, four passenger monoplane, registration

nunber 8293K and that this plane has not been airworthy since

FERRIE stated he

has never flown LEE HARVEY OSWALD to Dallas, Texas or any

said that the only

he would have access to would be rental planes.

200

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D-302 (ROV, 1-25-808

EDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATI

Deto.

fence

11/29/63

Federal

Aviation Agency (FAA),

LOIS WESTON, Aircraft Registration Brateviewed her files

Oklahoma City,

Oklahoma

under registration number 8293K and

is issued

advised this registration number

to a Stinson 150 aircraft with serial number 108-1293..

This aircraft was registered to DAVE W, FERRIE, 1302 Clay Street,

Kenner, Louisiana

on May 8, 1947.

registration records

in file list FERRIE as the registered owner.

His last address

recorded in the file is 704 Airline Park Boulevard, Kenner, Louisiana.

WESTON advised that an application for airworthiness

certificate dated April 7, 1961, is contained in the file and

certificate, according to

the aircraft is operated in accordance with operating regions ons.

There was no particular expiration date listed

on this certificate

and there is no information available in FAA files which would

indicate that this aircraft is no longer airworthy.

nowever, that in the event FERRIE had not complied

WESTON added,

with FAA

regulations his aircraft would not be airworthy but it is not

necessary that this information be recorded in the FAA files.

11/29/63

_o: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

SA O. JOE FAIRES/pIm

_ File # OC 89-41

_ Dato dictatod _

* 11/29/63

documens contains solther recommendationa nor conclusiona of the FBI. Il la. the proporly of the FBI: and la loaned lo

agoney: " and lie contente are not to be diatributed outalde your agency.

165

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March 1, 196%

ata usa carès (se lau, sos beimi) fron lorico and lata,

Nagell didn't work out his deal with CIA.

insell sivca darEia follaries nanzas

(60)

KIHES. Jaaad da Ea-tkuy Coodt o El 244

TatEas, Achor Italiary Sto Corteo o Hasel der at $£739.

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dallas, boeu workins los sa ontile callad sovesur lo Exce Gues, Desded by

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J911º 0s 61, black kale, barel 6708

DATI METTI

Pratos la Jacisos Açeste (ID.) ol IlD talking to baii.

Fextlo ploe knes bosh.

Icas donald n Male, Caocasiso, dosettan, Z4-i6, 110 lir. 5º8 or

an LegE là cE 15, 19630 IsE alive nicos lopte

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PIGIas do 1963 a leco o #f2nd Are05y.

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PRIVA'S Elle In Sas Artanto In Aps1l, 1963.

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fovie

3

• 323

BAGWOU, 111113 -

50lyaeapn capert con tell

results o

Holyana best

tell somethin of

community reputation,

= 150

personal contact,

• can

tell how he vas held incommunicado and intimidatedto.

the

doôc ndant

toll general i puntion as wall as wez I did in helping

him &

ochcis

straighten up

CAROUS

tell sendral icputation

as well as what I did holping him

othere - lilie

paying for their schooling cie

343702. 1E S

- can tell what all nothers think of what I have done

for their

childion • Dan toll of conspiracy against me. (Let

her rip)

1.193

-ord toll that all nothere thinl be unt decendant has dong for

consin Ride

DONE WHEe

- can tall vint teenagers thial be detendant, uhas he has done

then, ann testiny

aginet crouchet, and

tell about conspiracy

Sgt RRUE33I

HARDENS LAMBO:

- can tell hon I attempteủ to tale lie detccior test.

- can tell wins teen acci & ini:, what accendant docs for them

againct Grouchel, con testiey on apnoniracy

Warms, tre

- can tell what Mothere third: about dcpendant (che dada misca up)

Za thee Baouin

o? his

conduced mion me, reputation Got to dion this

man out on cach icea

VS. S01

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reputation -Caround unla fairly sacely ouce

ls sets the piton on what you want.)

NO SELING

BER3 MACHER

12191 2:25S

- can testiny as to sy uhercabouts on tro dê the dates.

- what comunity thinks, danger de injuatice in this cour,

- can tell what ano her stoup of noüher's thinke. (She con get

"teary" and you may have to leid me a little. ought to

- can tell how many I

tied to halp. hou send I cooperated

oê people mont to see her and complanented ccoults o

our boging uD.

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• found: coact can doll that people thin: a mat I did

must lie at salad to 2i00 PiM.

- can tell thai mothers

till: 0f 36 seat tite mem

JOID IRIONI

Bean Reardon,

EARL, PRINZ

Melvin Seeling

can tell what Comer cadito l co: uming thin!: of me

- can tell what Eastern employees think about me.

- Eastern Air Lines - can verify flight timea

- can verify the timenin Corpus Christi

901

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Februaar e coca

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LADIESON. DISTRIET ATTORNEY

WILLERY CURVIER, INVESTIGATOR

TEXAS - 2 FEBRUARY E 4 FEBRUARY 1967

caday 2 Fêbruary, 1967, in Company wieh

finds Parish Bistriat Attorney s office at

debate

Fleans intetnational Aifpoft on Delta

804 destined fot Dallas, texas. This flight

wais

schedured

is detart

at 6.30 p.m. but was approximately one

Arising in Dalias, Lordel and i rented an automo-

bile from Alte car Pental beaving there at approximately 9:10.

F.M:

we priccaded so the Stemmons freeway and registered in

the

Reward

chaison

Motur Hotel, occupying Room 205.

in

Faring of Friday, 3 February: we broceded

asreca,

tothe

Maceds bivision of the Ballas Poltee beparement

There we

sanches

dry receras of afrest, traffie, misdemeanor

and fel

Fre fritawing subjegta:

DAVID WILLIAM FERRIE

SERGIC ARCACHA SMITH & SERGIO ARCACHA

CARIBAD LOPEZ

EMILLS SANTANA

RiCARDS BAVIS

¿AMPO 156 BEeF fame availabie

SaS

Its of this

search were negative

Thefe wefe

VerY

Ho 05294

der cAMpo and onty two wete not Juverties

These

two reginas wor chosestated and are attached to efis rebofe

66nc101:452 EF

have proceeded to the Battas county Shetti s

6161de and made a samriar search. Reutes were Regative:

work on chess

sheets Regards showed that in 1966 8ne cARIbAE

§. Loren Fasded at 3218 Harlandale Street, Battas, texas: They

atso retard that she was a widow (datually divorced) and was

employed no Fashann's of texas, inc. as & machine opefatof. Her

tel ache numer was listed aS Ef=8=2801. 1 1969.

tats subject

was listed

as residing at 2822 faaho street in battas. There

wire noritatires for the yeufs 196d through 196t. te wasialso

determined that shinn's was & manufacturerest antiaren's

This corn is owned by Lloyd shIny. This factory was

tormenty locased at 1911 worth Lamar Street with a Branen at

2ato cormerce Street. They are presently tocated at 1825 North

Beckley Avenue and have no branch offices.

318

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According to the reeuras, 32l0 Harlandale street

was occupied by the following persens for the years indieated.

1965- LARRY Da POPB, a earpenteE

1964-1963 - AUBPTH W. GRANT = an actiot for

Capteel regrigaration

1962 - CARLOS Be easeyed by

oan Clift braed coabany

1 also visitod the offleone of the Aneriean Guila

Variety Artists (A.G.VaA,), 1500: Jaeheen Strost, Daltas, Foras,

deeking information about a hypnotiat the reportadly worked in

jack Ruby & Carousel Lounge In the Dallas area in November, 19638

Mf. Martih Cavanaugh, Braneh Manager, was eboperative, Bue he

was little help. He directee me to ME. @s As DOLSEh, ewner of a

theatrice, agency and ofchentra serviee in Reem 500 es chie

same address.

Going though nie files no could iina no hypnotist,

magician, or similar act in the ballad area for that partieular

Eime

Visiting 3218 Harlandalo Street I learned that

CARIDADS LOPEZ had moved and was residing at oar faane Avenue

whith was close by. Proceeding there i not a Spanich speaking

woman who said she was the nother of cAniDAd Lopin and thae net

daughter would be home in about 30 minutea. While awaiting the

daughtet's arrival, I conversed with che mechef, CARd SAbDIVAR,

FRANK (FRANCISCO) SALAZAR, and haS Edent, FRANCISED BALASAR

both of whom dropped in separately during my interview and are

related to subject LopEz. All three eeeperated in answering

questions about CARiBAD LOPEZ, The SALAAAR'S live at 3111

Harlandale street, when subjeet, Lopas, artived, whe offered the

following informations

She was born Nevember 20, 1908, in Cuba, She le

5'4", has dark brown hait and hadod oyodi i ald not ask het

weight nor did she offer le, she se presently employed for Baltek.

an optical company whose offica de en cho atonons Preoway.

gaid she has worked there for as noses son rust hame te

CARIDAD SANCHEZ (FELICIA) to 01a Cavoread tena RUBeL

LoPEz and hes been married enty encorichs temarly lived an

3a18 Harlandale but doeided leave ca acn nor maeners ou

Harlandale and idaho residentso urg acuazall, eingle, cha=stery

wooden dwellings in a lew-etano refusertsed.

In Auguss, ABASA CA

MaN 20r80 enne frea Havana te

Mew Orleans where she was only anuan capps, har diator!

husband, who then drove hot we cort Arthur, Tenan, she ease hore

to help her nister with the tradeon. Sho seayed de her ainter'e

whe had met CAPpS in cuba white to was stastened these in

military service, she returme to Lovana by air via Housten and

New Orleans. on 8 September, 1949, cha married RUDOLPHO La

Havana moving with him to wew tort clay en la Doesnaet of that

year, mey came to Miant eren Lavanay our asan teen a train te

law York city where they readined satis

May 1950, A daughtor,

LOURDES MARIE, was born in lew vera ln 1900, in the sering of

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1950 they drove ky car to Miami and took the ferry to Havana,

taking treir car with them. While in Cuba a son, RUDY (RUDOLPHON

was born in Canaquay

family returned to the United States in 1951

from Cuba by plare destined for Port Arthur. This trip took them

through New Orleans. In Port Arthur they bought a house and in

1953 a third child, ALICE FAYE, was born. They stayed in Port

Arthur but a few months before returning to Havana. They drove

in the car from Port Arthur to Miami, passing through Newoorleans

A year or so later the family returned to the United

States via Miami where they remained for six or seren months,

Du Fire this elme the husband was employed by a Miami Dredge

company as a carder and he was sent to Cuba on a job. The whole

family wentratons and remained in Cuba for seven months.

In 1956 they came back to the United States via

Miani:

destred for Sarasota. There they purchased a Buick

automobile and remained about four months. While there CARIDAD'S

mother and Cather came from Cuba to visit. Her father died in

1 S BU CAR DAD S

Sarasota truantary 1958. This same month the whole family

returned to cuban March, the husband, RUDOLPHO, returned to

Miami alone leaving CARIDAD and the children in Cuba. In June

or cory or dosa, CARTDAD flew from Havana to Miami to get a

certified death Certificate in order to settle her father's

affairs. She then returned to Cuba.

Shortly after this she tried to return to the United

States bus diplomatic relations between the two countries were

diminishing and she could not leave, About this time her husband

notified her he wanted a divorce.

Subject, LOPEZ, stated that in 1959 FIDEL CASTRO

took power in cuba and began putting Americans out of the country

I 1961 CARIDAD S mother, along with CARIDAD'S daughters, came

to Miami and the girls continued on to Port Arthur to live with

CARIDAD'S SiSter

In 1961 RUDOLPHO sent a waiver from Miami to

Cuba for cher

Sus

RUDY. The boy came to Miami, remained one week

then went to fort Arthur, Texas. CARIDAD stayed in Cuba. In 1964

a friend (unidentified man in Mexico) sent a Mexican visa to

CARIDAD and she flew from Havana to Mexico. There she remained

five month's spending one monch in Monterey.

On 1 July, 1964, subject, LOPEZ, posed as a Mexican

and entered the United States through Laredo, Texas. From there

she traveled with friends to Houston in a rented car. She

telephoned her sister

fin Port Arthur who came and picked her up

in Houston. On 4 July 1964, whe was living with her sister in

Port Arthur

On 6 July 1964, subject, LOPEZ, went to the United

States Imnigracion Authorities and "got straightened out" She

remained in Fort Arthur until necessary papers arriveddAugust

1964. at same month she traveled to Dallas and lived with her

mocher at 1707 Genoa Street for a short time. In September 1964.

she lived on Denly Street in the oak Cliff section of Dallas for

about one month. In October, 1964, she moved to 2822 Idaho Street

1-3-

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where she and her children remained for one year Erom there

she moved to 321S Harlandale Street, stayed there one year

before waste in October, 1966, to 2822 Idaho Street to 11ve

with hea

white there? photographs of FERRIE and ARCACHA WeSS

shown tr

the subject LOPEZ. After careful and silent study she

stated the hadineer seen either before.

Subleat LOPEZ further added that sheghad never

spent any

Peerin, New Orleans and had only been a couple of

times when passing through at the airport.

Further Identifying subject LOPEZ: mother, it

should be noted that CARMEN ZALDIVAR offered her Social Security

card numbered 265-72-7797 during my interview.

no verification of employment was made with Daltex

optical Company relative to CARIDAD LOPEZ, However,

a previous

check had been made with fashinn's of Texas and one Mr. SHELTON

of that tim alidwed that subfect LOPEZ apparently worked there.

sewtro machine operator from September 1964 through March

Duting my interview tith subject LOPEZ, she at no=

time notioned the name of the friend in Mexico who sent her

the visa and then later supplied the necessary Mexican visa tor

her to enter the U.S. It was a man, and he possibly accompanied

her to Houston from Laredo

CARIDAD LOPEZ did not elaborate on the interim

time from 1961 when her son came to the United States to 1964

when she went from Cuba to Mexico.

HOweVer one SERGIO ARCACH, was Listed as residing at 10746

Lake Gardens..h 1964 ARCACHA resided at 2274 Spring Hill Prive.

His phone humber was DA-8-3836. There were not records for him

for 1964 and 1958. It could not be determined who resided here

in 1964 In 1963 and 1962 this address was occupied by one

ROBERT W. WRICHT. Exacutive Director.

Texas United Fund. Inc.

This address is very close to the white Rock Airport.

Additional research revealed one HAROLD G. MCWHIRTER

resided at 2434 Spring Hill Drive. He was employed by cook

Machined Company. Inc. 4301 Fitzhugh as a foreman. He also

Lived here in 1963. This la mentioned because the White Rock

Airport is presently managed by a lYuE V. MeNHIRTER of 9039

Forest Hilts Boulevard.

Only one CAMPO could be found in searching the

files for 1965. through 1962. 10 1962 a BENNY H. CAMPO, salesman

for ShermanS Shoes. 216 Preston Avenue, resided at 5620% Alta.

Further Checking it was learned that in 1962 this shoe store was

managed by one JAY K. KIRKENDATiL who then resided in Preston

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Investigating the 1966 address of SERGIO ARCACHA,

10746 Lake Gardens. the following was ascertained:

His telephone number was DA-8-5966. This is a four-

apartment building in the lochwood Apartment Complex located

near white Rock Lake. This particular building

which oas

occupied by ARCACHA has four apartments, A.B.C, and D. ARCACHA

occupied Apartment D which is'one of the upstairs apartments.

This particular building in tro-stosy the lower half has buff

brick, the upper with gray siding. There is one main entrance

servicing all four apartments. Apartmit D rants for $78.00 per

month, has two bedrooms, livingroom, ning room, fitchen. bath,

no central air or heat and le unfunished. water is free, other

Ltisities are paid by the tenant. The same apartment furnished

with all utilities paid, including central air and heat, would

rent for $150.00u This particuler building is six years old.

Apartment A is occupied by MRS. ERCELLE BRIDGES. Apartment B 1s

occupied by R. F. CRAWFORD, Apartment C is occupied by ROBERT To

Young, and Apartment D was found to be vacant on my personal

visit. According to the new apartment manager, CRAWPORD and

ARCACHA were listed as being delinquent in their rent. however.

with some reluctance and inquiries, MRS. CRAMPOND (BI and MRS.

YOUNG (C) advised that ARCACIA had moved to 9915 Denegal Drive.

MRS. YOUNG and MRS. CRAWFORD and one of her children (unknowingly

to her) identified the photorraph of ARCACHA. ApparentlY ARCALIA

had not been gone from here very long and still owed some rent.

We proceeded to 9915 Danegal Drive which is

approximately two minutes ay. This i8 asalagle, one-story

dwelling of brick constructin in a middle-class neighborhood.

There was no activity at thill particulde addrest. Parked in the

drive, facing the street, was a blue Pontiac Tempest. License No.

Texas (1966) KxZ 314. Seconda aftar our arrival, ARCACHA drove

up in a beige Ford Thunderbird. This vehicle bore licence, Texas

(1966) KX 108. The driver, ARCACHA, passed our vehicle very

slowly staring at us intently as he passed continuing to do so

until parked in the drive and inside the house. In comparison

to AFCACHA'S photograph, it was noticed that he had a consider-

able amount of gray hair but was still predominently dark. He

was dressed casually wearinga loose fitting dark sweater and

open shirt collar.

I then immediately gentaMR. GARRISON in New Orleans

advising him of the present location of ARCACHA. He advised not

to interrogate him but to continue on with other phases of my

missioniin dallas. A specially developed code was used between

GARRISON and GURVICH during this call.

En route to White Rock Atiport, I passed 2274 Spring

Hill Drive and found that this was a single. one-story dwelling

in a middle class neighborhord. Its proximity to the white Rock

Airport is as close as one could get. I interviewed a woman

living there, and she advised she had moved there in June. 1965.

She: further stated she had met ARCACHA in Dallas shortly before

June, 1965. lat a time when her family was looking for a place to

live and ARCACHA advised her that this residence would soon be

available as he planned to move. This woman stated that they were

renting this home and that AFCACHA had done the same. She also

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pos

Page 2

Wa

re

top priority.

"nut"

01

Ye

Cads! what a character!

Even if he is just

sone sort, such talk isn't exactly calming dinner

conversation.

I saven't the faintest idea if zarl Warren has plans of visiting

San Diego, on 1í be nad residonce thore at one timo,

sathor that he may have fron the conversation.

are, must havo ideas that sometero in California vould be a

11:0ly place to set up something for Mr.

so as unhealthy as what ir. kennedy experienced.

1219230

"ow you rust have sundreds of clues to run down on the kennedy

assination, and t ioulan't want to be a pest, on a nut, but

that

conversation has bothored me,

and you can take it as you

see fit.

If the man is just a blabbor-mouth,

then he nay

kow

nothing.

II he is just egotistical enoug to "have to

talk to someone about how nuch he knows" in order to impress

someone,

then six he just may know something.

You are the

juage of that.

Anyhow it's off my mind now,

and I would Ille to forget it,

although as you know betten than anyone, these things wust

hey chopping un.

Ise intricate networt of politics,

different

croups, comunistic and otherwise,

must soon you people taroing

jour hair to protect people in public offico.

Sincerely,

A Citizen

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Ferve

Banister

dick billings

hakkell feb 14, 1967

NBC AND DAVID WILLIAM FERRIE

polland!

See lamen Comnission volume 24, Do 458 CE 2038a "Barnes said Bob Mulhaland

of NBC news Chicago, talked in Dallas

to one Fairy, a narcotics addict now out

on bail on a sodomy charge in Dallas. Fairy said that Oswald had been under

hypnosis from a nan doing a mind-rading act at Ruby's "carousel". Fairy

said to be a private detective and the owner of an airplane who took

young boys on flights "just for kicks". "

The above Barnes'is Gene Barnes of NBC, a west cofast camera man. Bob Mulholland

is now producer of the Huntley-Brinkley show in Washington.

I spoke with Mulholland as well as Dick Valeriani and Dick Fisher all of whom

were in Dallas for NBC during the weekend of Nov 22-26. 1963. Mulholla d

was directing the NBC coverage of the

assassination.

Mulholland said he remembered something about a guy with an air plane, that the

name Fairy or Ferrie was familiar and that he had a vague memory of someone:

slying guns to Cuba and queers. Mulholland however did not speak to anyone

Airs did not recessic

He pictura di fezitic.

In Dallas as he was busy with the NBC crew. He recalled that he probably heard

the above from John Coporan of NBC news New Orleans. Mulholland said that

Coporan called and told him about Ferrie and shortly thereafter the FBI visited

Mulholland. He remembers the story because of the FBI visit because that is

when he discovered his phone was tapped. Valeriani and Fisher remember the incident.

I called John Coporan who is now with WNEW-TV news in New York. He remembers the

story very well. "we got an anonymous tip and one from a former assit. D.A. about

this man who had an airplane and that this man was due in Texas on Nov. 22.. This

man, Ferrie, had known Oswald in the Civil Air Patrol. He was probably a homosexual.

There was something about a rendevous having been arranged to fly Oswald out of

the country." Coporan says he then called Garrison to find out about the tip.

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"I didn't have too much success". He then called Mulholland in Dallas:

Soon after that call he too recieved a visit from the FBI. Garrison

then arrested Ferrie.

On Monday Ferrie called Coporan and said he had seen him giving editorials on

TV and he wanted to talk.. Coporan went over to the jail, he remembers Ferrie

had a migrain headache. He also remembers

"he was an odd duck". They talked for

one half hour and Ferrie convinced Coporan that

"someone had very cleverly linked Ferrie

to Oswald knowing it Iboked believably. "Ferrie was very upset. "

When Coporan left the cell the Secret Service want in. After them, the BBI talked

with Ferrie, and

after them Garrison's men want in. Coporan was the first

to talk with Ferrie.

"Ferrie was working as a private investigator for a prominent New Orleans

lawyer, G. Wray Gill. I think Gill got him released and then fired him.

Perrie Called me a couple of times after that protesting his innocence.

The

story continued to intrigue me, so we tried to follow it up. But then we deciled

there was nothing to persue and gave up."

"Personally I tink farrison arrested Ferrie in order to make himself famous, but

maybe the FBI asked Garrison to make the arrest because they didn't want to be

involved if the accusation turned out to be false, which it did."

Coporan was in a hurry and he was also rather curious why I was so interested in

Ferrie. I didn't want to persue it too far in case he might mention my call

to any of his friends in N.O.

Too bad, but it looks likel the time

the story got to Barnes it had been added to

mind reading stories etc. And the FBI knowing all about Ferrie anyway: just

discounted it. As far as I can find, Ferrie's name is not mentioned any where

else in the Warren Commission books or the National Archives index of material

received from the commission and/or the BI/secret service.

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MEMORANDUM

fEw

February 28, 1967

TO:

FROM:

RE:

LOUIS IVON, CHIEF INVESTIGATOR

SGT. FENNER SEDGEBEER

ROY TELL, W.M1, 28

1101 David Drive

Jefferson Parish

Employed by Swift Company, Harvey, Loisiana

Married--tro children

At about 3:15 P.M., Friday, February 24, 1967, I

interviewed ROY. TELL at his residence.

ROY TELL Stated that he

has not heara fIom DAVE FERRIE since around New. Year's 1967,

at which time they exchanged greetings at the New Orleans

Airport.

He explains that he had been closely associated with

FERRIE back in the late 50's while he was Executive Secretary

in the Civil Air Patrol, Moisant Division.

He explains that

FERRIE was a devout Catholic and insisted that the boys attend

their church.

FERRIE often referred the boys to FATHER SABASTIAN

ARGONELLO who may be in New Orleans at this time, however, was

located in Raceland, Louisiana, and was at Our Lady of Perpetual

Help in kenner, Louisiana. FERRIS also referred to the Catholic

church as bang communistic and talked about the merits of

communism.

ROY TELL remembered receiving a telephone call from

FERRIE shortly after the president's assasipation and FERNIE

explained to him that he was working with the FBI and was

seeking information as to OSWALD and also wanted to locate

EDWARD VOBEL and GEORGE WALTERS ROY TELI emembered the name

OSWALD as being in the Civil Air Patrol but could not place him.

He was going to check at his mother's house and see if he

could find any old records or photographs relating to any of

these individuals.

The following individuals were named by TELL as being

closely associated with DAVE FERRIE.

OLIVER ST. PEE--Now in the Peace Corps somewhere

in Asia.

LARRY ANDERSON--Pilot for Delta Airlines

THOMAS NATION COMPTON, III--PoSSibly at Michoud.

FERRIE referred to COMPTON as an undisciplined

genius.

MELVIN COFFEY--Maybe at Michoud.

GENE and RICHARD MARSHALL--GENE is traveling as a

musician and RICHARD working at Michoud.

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MEMORANDUM

COMPTON

ferize

LHO

25

March 10, 1967

TO :

FROM:

RE :

ALVIN V. OSER, ASSISTANT DISTRICI ATTORNEY

SGT. TOM DUFFY and PIN. CLIENCY NAVARRE, INVESTIGATORS

INTERVIEW-

THOMAS COMPTON

1525 AZTEC ST., APT. "C"

Sgt. Tom Duffy and Ptn. Cliency Navarre report of

interviewing one THOMAS COMPTON residing 1525 Aztec Street,

Apartment "C"., on March 9, 1967 at 10:30 A.M., in the Office of

the District Attorney, 2700 Tulane Avenue.

Mr. COMPTON stated that he was a member of the Moisant

Wing of the Civil Air Patrol from 1954 until January of 1958. He

was acquainted with DAVE FERRIE on and off for approximately ten'

(10) years.

On one occasion he visited FERRIE at a residence on

Vinet Street and another single visit in Airline Park.

MI. COMPTON stated that in the Spring of 1964 he

stopped for gas in a service station on the Veterans Highway and

again met DAVE FERRIE. ME. COMPTON related that, after learning

DAVE FERRIE and AL LANDRY owned this station, he obtained a part-

time job as an attendant.

After working a short period and unable

to collect his pay, and not being relieved on duty by LANDRY, he

decided to quit.

While employed at this service station, he

helped DAVE FERRIE tow his airplane over to the station.:

The

aircraft was in terrible condition, more so from

vandals than

deterioration or wear and tear.

Mr. COMPTON stated that the last

time

he knew of DAVE FERRIE's plane flying was 1957

and rumors of

same up to 1961.

Mr. COMPTON further stated that some time before the

assassination of President Kennedy, he drove DAVE FERRIE to Camp

Street across from the Lafayette Square to GUY BANISTER's office.

GUY BANISTER and DAVE FERRIE then went to a coffee shop on the

corner and talked over a baverage.. Mr. COMPTON related that he

sat at another. table in this establishment and did not hear any.

of the conversation.

Also, he could not remember how long before

the assissination this took place.

MK. COMPION continued to state that on Sunday, after

the assassination, at 5:30 A.M. he was awakened by DAVE FERRIE in

his dormitory bed at the University of Southeastern in Hamnona,

Louisiana.

Mr. COMPTON stated that until this day he is uncertain

how DAVE FERRIE located him on this date. At this time, DAVE

TERRIE was in hysterics and near tears as he stated "The police

are at my home and have taken some of my things". COMPION stated

that DAVE FERRIE. did not elaborate on "my things", and stated

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that FERRIE also related that he didn't do anything wrong.

The

two talked for a while on different unrelated subjects and then

FERRIE made-two-calls to New.Orleans,and-COMPTON believed they

were to G. W. GILL, Attorney at Law..

COMPTON stated that DAVE

FERRIE left at approximately 3:30 A.M. the same morning and it

is believed that he returned to New Orleans in a Ford Falcon

Station Wagon painted light blue.

COMPION stated that DAVE FERRIE

did not tell him ha had been to Texas.

COMPTON stated that he had never met LEE HARVEY OSWALD,

and also that he could not connect him in any way with the C.A.P.

The only knowledge of OSWALD was from Mr. BILL WULF who headed

the New Orleans Astronomers.Club.

In 1956,

LEE, HARVEY OSWALD attempted to join this club

and submitted an application which was refused. COMPTON related

that after the assassination, MR. WULF turned over this applica-

tion to the F.B.I.

COMPTON stated that shortly after the assassination..

DAVE FERRIE called MR. WULF and inquired if he knew anything

about LEE HARVEY OSWALD.

COMPTON related that he couldn't figure how DAVE FERRIE

had knowledge of MR. WULF and the Astronomy Club and connecting

this with LEE HARVEY OSWALD.

COMPTON stated that he received a message that DAVE

FERRIE attempted to call him by telephone at 1:00 A.M. on the

Tuesday before he died. COMPTON returned the call at #895-9811

and received no answer.

Mr. COMPTON stated that DAVE FERRIE had never mentioned

the name of CLAY SHAW to him.. COMPTON did recall that after

CLAY SHAW was arrested, the meeting of he and DAVE FERRIE in

Hammond and thought about this being the home town of SHAW's

parents.

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Telephone conversation with Dean Andrews, 523-3957

DEAN ANDREWS had information that LEE HARVEY OSWALD

frequented the Society Page Bar, 100 block of Exchange Place.

He suggested that we speak to the following people.

MARTHA HOWARD

RICKY PORTER

DAVID RYDER

RAY POTTER

BILLY DALTMAN

BOBBIE (LNU), barmaid at the Society

He suggested that we could locate most of these

people

through MARTHA HOWARD who might be located through Dee's Hidaway

somewhere in the vicinity of Dauphine Street and St. Ann.

Also, ANDREWS suggested we speak to a man by the name

of WRIGHT. This is the same individual who struck the reporter

outside of CLAY SHAW's apartment on the night it was searched.

His full

name and address can be ascertained from police records

since he was charged with simple battery as a result of the

aforementioned incident.

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ferre

OFFICE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY

PARISH OF ORLEANS

STATE OF LOUISIANA

127

MARCH 15, 1967

•STATEMENT OF:

RESIDING AT:

TELEPHONE:

PRESENTLY EMPLOYED:

THOMAS LEWIS CLARK, WM age 19

240 ORION, METAIRIE, LOUISIANA

831-2975

CENTRY PRINTING COMPANY, 4422 TOULOUSE

In June, 1964, I met DAVE FERRIE

through my brother, STEPHEN RANDOLPH CLARK, who met FERRIE

approximately two days before I did, for a job at a filling

station he owned, (Daval's Service Station) on Vets Highway.

So I went over there and I noticed that there was something

about him that was weird, but he seemed smart and talented.

He

seemed to be all right.. I got to know him by working there and

that

is where I met JIMMY JOHNSON.

Then my brother

was

mostly with DAVE more than I was.

I really didn't get to know

DAVE until five months later and from then on we seemed to

be friends.

When I was working at the filling station, I

know I saw a small, white compact car, foreign, Renault type,

come there twice.

I couldn't maké out who it

was, but it was

big man.

DAVE told me both times that he wanted me to watch

the station while he talked with him for a few minutes.

He would

wind up staying in the car for over an hour.

The car never came

and got gas.

He just always pulled up on the side and DAVE

would walk over there and get in the car. They would be there

about an hour or so.

DAVE sold the filling station, and he

asked me if I wanted to work with him as a flight instructor

at the airport.

He was working for Saturn Aviation at that

time.

I agreed and more or less hung around out there and there

wasn't much to do. He quit and opened his own flight

school. He asked me to work with him there.

This. was 1966.

I lived with DAVE at one time for about

two months..

This was right before he died. I have been to

his apartment quite a few times.

I. Did DÄVE ever talk to you about

his activities? Like flying down to Cuba, the Bahamas?

A. He told me once he went to the Bahamas.

0. Did he do much talking about the

investigation? (Kennedy assassination)

A: He said something about you all

didn't know what

you were doing. He was in bed - sick.

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MEMORANUM

31

March 9, 1967

TO:

FROM:

RE:

AL OSER, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY

SGT. TOM DUFFY AND OFFICER C. J. NAVARRE

INTERVIEW OF CHARLES HOLIDAY

Residing 713 Herald Street, Algiers, Louisiana

On March 7, 1967, at 7:30 P. M. Officer Navarre

interviewed a MR. CHARLES HOLIDAY. This interview was conducted

"by phone at 362-5087.

MR. HOLIDAY stated that he was a member of the C.A.P.

the New Orleans Airport Squadron from 1954

through 1956.

In

1956 he thenwent on active duty with the U.S. Air Force.

MR. HOLIDAY related that he knew DAVE FERRIE from being

a member of the C.A.P.

Further, that FERRIE.was a weird charac-

ter.

He heard that later MR. FERRIE was with an airlines.

The only thing that stood out was the fact that FERRIE mentioned

several times that he had a drug or a combination of drugs that

he could take and no doctor could say he didn't die a natural

death.

MR. HOLIDAY related that he never dia personally see

DAVE FERRIE mix any drugs. Also that he has never gone to DAVE

FERRIE's house.

MR: HOLIDAY stated that five or six boys were close to

FERRIE and one of them was TOMMY BOWMAN who at the present time

•is not residing in New Orleans and it is unknown where he is

now residing.

Also a MR. PENEGUY, CHARLIE ROBERTSON, and

PHIL

COUSINS

who had a brother by the name of PETE COUSINS.

CHARLIE ROBERTSON is a captain in the U.S. Navy and

stationed in California at this time.

The COUSIN brothers may

be residing here in New Orleans. It is unknown where MR. PENEGUY

is now residing:

MR. HOLIDAY stated that most of the group he was. con-

nected with

in the C.A.P. resigned at the same time in 1956 and

entered various branches of the Armed Forces.

MR. HOLIDAY stated that MISS DURR would have pictures

of the entire group because she was always there when they

were

on maneuvers and inspections. MISS DURR was the commanding

officer of the female C.A.P.

CAPTAIN FERRIE would tell them

that they were training for guerrila warfare because this was the

most effective way to take over a country. The group had rifles

to train with that had lead poured into the barrels.

MR. HOLIDAY stated that CAPTAIN FERRIE resided on Clay

Street in Kenner during the time he was with the C.A.P.

Further

that some of the boys, especially TOMMY BOWMAN, would go to his

home.. Further, that at this time CAPTAIN FERRIE had a Stinsen

-Voyager-Aircraft in running-condition.-Further that he thinks

this aircraft was wrecked by a hurricane in 1957 or 1958.

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MEMORANDUM

March 8, 1967

TO:

FROM :

RE:

JIM GARRISON

SGT. T. DUFFY AND DET. C. NAVARRE

INTERVIEW OF MIKE FINNEY, RESIDING AT 1418 BEHRMAN,

ALGIERS, LOUISIANA, TELEPHONE 361-5857 ON MARCH 6, 1967.

MI. FINNEY was interviewed in regard to his connection

MI. FINNEY stated that he joined the

CAP in 1958 and was in the New Orleans Airport Squadron., This

was the first time he had met DAVE FERRIE.

He was also in the

original Falcon Squadron that DAVE FERRIE had formed.

There

were originally about ten men in this outfit.

He stated that he

remained in the Falcon Squadron until about 1961, when he found

out that this was not a valid branch of the CAP.

Mr. FINNEY

stated that while he was connected with the CAP he had never

met OSWALD or had never heard his name mentioned. He also stated

that a Mr. LARRY ATKINSON was a friend of DAVE FERRIE'S at

this time:

He also stated that a MI. AL CHERAMIE was in the

New Orleans Squadron and that he was a very close friend of

DAVE FERRIE'S.

It is his recollection that AL CHERAMIE joined

the Marine Corp in the summer of 1962.

He also stated that he knew a JOHNNY JOHNSON who was a

member of the squadron at that time and that JOHNSON as far

knows is a student at Tulane University at this time.

He stated

that JOHNSON lives somewhere either in Algiers or Gretna. He

may live on Newton Street.

FINNEY stated that a MAJOR MORRELL was the head of the

CAP, New Orleans Squadron, and that he was also a very good

friend. of FERRIE'S. He also stated that JOHNNY JOHNSON'S

mother had told him that FERRIE helped MORRELI, a number of times

with many problems.

At this time MORRELL was a shoe salesman in

New Orleans and it is his understanding that MORRELL left

New Orleans and is staying somewhere in Texas.

He stated that on occasions when he was in the CAP

he stayed overnight at DAVE FERRIE'S house.

JOHNNY JOHNSON

IRION AND AL LANDRY.

It is Mr. FINNEY'S understanding that DAVE FERRIE

had a disagreement with MAJOR MORRELL and at this time FERRIE

broke away from the New Orleans Squadron and formed the Falcon

Squadron.

While in this office, FINNEY was shown pictures of

OSWALD, CLAY SHAW, GUY BANISTER, and several others, and he coula

identify only DAVE FERRIE.

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viện

MEMORANDUM

TO :

FROM :

RE:

FILE

LOUIS IVON, CHIEF. INVESTIGATOR

PRESENT & PAST ADDRESSES OF DAVID FERRIE

1947.

• 17302 La Verne Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio

1948.

•6303 Perrier Street, New Orleans, Louisiana

12/1949 to 4/1949...314 Zack Street, Tampa, Florida

1950.

1951.

1952.

1953 to 1955.

1956 - 1957.

1959.

1961-1962..

• 17302 La Verne Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio

•912 St. Louis Street, New Orleans, Louisiana

•1228 Bourbon Street, New Orleans, Louisiana

.. Unknown

..209 Vinet Street, New Orleans, Louisiana

•704 Airline Boulevard, Metairie, Louisiana.

•331 Atherton Drive, Metairie, Louisiana

1963 to Present..

.. 3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway, New Orleans, La.

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MEMORANDUM

March 14, 1967

TO:

FROM:

RE :

LOUIS IVON

FERNE SEDGEBERE

REV.

S.

ARJONILLA

At 2 P.M. March 13, 1967, Sedgebeer in company

with Niedermeier interviewed REV.. S. ARJONILLA, Pastor of St.

Hubert's Catholic Church located in Garyville, Louisiana.

Father

ARJONILLA was shown a set of photographs wherein DAVE FERRIE?

appears in order to ascertain whether or not REV. ARJONILLA

could recognize DAVE FERRIE. However, REV. ARJONILLA COuld

not identify him.

The following is a tape recording of the

conversation with REV. ARJONILLA.

"He came to the house once or twice. He was

promoting some kind of philosophy to the children. I don't

remember how many he said he had.

He was suppose to be a

theologian, studying for the priesthood but had been kicked out.

FERRIE had said. I said what philosophy for what, but he

says that he was having these youngsters come around him, and he

was teaching them about God and different things and which I

was not interested in his work, you see, and once then a second

time he came to Thibodeaux and I asked him to ride with me.

I wanted to find out what was his mentality, you see.

Then

I get to

find out that he was flying a plane in New Orleans.

He was a pilot,

and I asked him what the things that a pilot

does.

But that's all, nothing else.

Sedgebeer

well, when was the last time that you remember

seeing him, Father?

Father

Eleven years.

You see, I 'm here four years

and five years in Raceland and five years in

Kenner. During that five years he was flying

a plane I think somewhere in Kenner.

He was

a pilot there and he used to come to my, church.

Niedermeier

That would be around in 1963.

Father

And some of the boys told me that he had bought it.

(referring to the plane). Then I heard

again that he had gone in prison, somebody told

me: that he went to prison. Did he?

Sedgebeer

Well, he was in trouble.

Father

In trouble or something.

Sedgebeer

Yes, right there in Kenner right by the airport.

Father

Out past the dead end.

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Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

That's one of the older pictures when he had lost

all of his hair and that's one of the other ones

with his wig on. Every bit of the hair.

It's

a little blur.

Eleven years

Let me get your full name.

Rev. S. ARJONILLA.

I was pastro of Kenner then,

he used to come to my church there.

I was surprised to learn that he was a devout

Catholic toward the end there.

He died?

You mustn't read the papers.

Is that the same fellow we're talking about?

Yes:

I don't know it was the same fellow.

I don't know

him by his name. I don't remember his name.

You never heard from him in 1963?

NO

Were you pastor in 1963?

Yes, I was six years in Kenner, but I don't

remember what year I was in Kenner.

well, you didn't remember any people coming

to you saying that they were referred to you by

FERRIE?

He had a bunch of boys and they used to go to

his house and some of the boys I said you know son

that's not good. The man that's teaching you about

God is not favorable, not good.

That was the last

I heard :

When I heard from him he was in some

trouble.

The next time I heard from him again he

came to my house and said, Father, I use to be a

theologist, a philosopher. .:.. so I was very

glad to hear that he was a theologian.

He lived

somewhere around Kenner, he had a farm there

teaching some young men some kind of subject in

aeronautics or something, I don't know.

Then one day I asked him to come with me to Thibo-

deaux as a ride and then I would like to learn

more about his theology and we

talked.

'I had'

some other fellow in the car with me then we went

back to Kenner, and he went home and that's

the last I saw of him. And you say that was the

same fellow?

Yes

I went to Kenner and from Kenner I went to Raceland

and I lived in

Raceland for five years then I came

here.

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Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

HOw

about SISTER LEVRENTIA, she's at Charity Hospital.

She's been there for 35 years.

I don't know.

Who is she?

I don't know what order she's in.

He knew many religious because as he was a religious

philosopher and theologian and in the secular

churches, I think he was about to become a sub-deacon

but he didn't make the grade and then he went out.

I don't know the reason why. I didn't ask him.

But he has known various people in other words he

wanted to make himself acquainted with the various

religious persons because he to was once a religious.

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Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Niedermeier

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

He classed himself as a psychologist in the direc-

tory and

his main living was derived from flying,

piloting an aircraft.

In New Orleans, I know. I being the pastor, he

visited me, you see, he come and say hello and wanted

to make himself known to me. The second time I

heard of him he was having a group of young men whom

he was teaching them certain things about God and

so and so, but I did not favor it because I did not

think he came in the right period and said, well"

father I would like to have you help me in teaching

catechism. I would have encourged him to come and

help him along, you see, but he didn't come.. He had

his own way of thinking.

The name LEE HARVEY OSWALD doesn't mean anything to

you?

I don't know.

Was FERRIE ever in the company of someone when he

came to visit you. Was he always by himself?

Yes, always by himself. He really gives an impression.

He comes to church in a uniform.

He gives a very

good impression.

What kind of uniform was he wearing, black?

Black sometimes jet black when he was in the service

at the airport in the airlines.

Regular commercial line uniform.

It never rang a bell when this person died.

You never noticed his eyebrows appeared to be glued

on or painted or make-up on his face.

No, I didn't notice.

Well, this was

Inaudible.

"that

was eleven years ago.

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Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Miss Henry

Father

Miss Henry

Father

Miss Henry

Father

Miss Henry

Father

Niedermeier

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

Eleven years. But he has been located down here

for several years before that since the 40's at

least.

He must have been moving around because at the last

part, he came to Kenner to live near the airport,

you see.

That must have been around 1956.

I have five years in Raceland and I have three years

here, that is nine years, huh?

Eight

I tell you, my housekeeper knows the years I've

been here - Miss Henry!

Yes, Father?

would you come here please - she remembers dates and

all - - - you remember when I left Kenner, what year,

' 58

'58, that's it.

You went in '52 to Kenner.

'52, and we went in '58 to Raceland - she keeps the

dates so.

And we've been here four years.

Here four years, thank you.

It was right before you left Kenner that you saw

Ferrie?

When could it have been - - about a year.

The latter part of that year?

Yes, the latter part of that year.

Was that '63.

We left in '58

oh, '58, then you went to Raceland. Then you had

no reason to believe that he was preaching anything

but for the good of the religion but he just wasn't

qualified.

I found this, that if he had come to me and help me,

you see, but he was doing what he wanted to teach

in his own way of doing this. If he wanted to help

me, he could have come.

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Sedgebeer

Father

Niedermeier

Sedgebeer

Niedermeier

Father.

Sedgebeer .

Niedermeier

Father

Sedgebeer

Father

You had

no reason to believe that he was preaching

against the church?

No, because he goes to church regularly and Sunday

morning, he was there, and was very courteous.

What church was he buried at?

Way down in Chalmette - only two people showed up

for the funeral.

Down in Chalmette - he got buried in the St. Bernard

Memorial.

You see, what you come and told me just now, I

never knew the Ferrie that came to see me was the

same.

Well, you probably wouldn't have recognized his

picture.

Something happened to all his hair; he was balder

than a cue-ball. He pasted his eyebrows on.

I know he had a bald head. This is how I know him.

That is all I wanted to find out that maybe OSWALD

had visited you, but information I got, he did,

when these boys got in trouble, he was actually

telling them to come and see you, you were a very

good friend.

He came twice, once to recommend himself to me for

my disposal if I wanted to use him for religious

purposes but I told him he could, but he never came.

He had his own thing. I never saw him anymore.

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Precuably ta slipped no by letting so see thio pagaopage to son if it lu classicied.

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LEE SCHL, Ascistant District Attorney, Pastsh of Osloons, advised that bels farillar

with Darid racis cros dis past ecceriasco as a dena carertor, donlal said he prepared a

¡eature story on aria's actintles severes rearg ago. To advised tast he beara that

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talkel to Jics cIl, a primata larestigator who "racrested his nezory" about ferrie.

Bases uson thass Eacts, the District Ittornog's offico Instiquted en Investigation Lavolv-

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stair and denlad, noting LEs harvey OSTALD or Laving dog laforcation about OSTriD's being

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Held or Monday, February 18, 1963, commencing at 9:15

ama, In the Administration Bullding, 4400 Northwest 36th Street,

Miami, Florida,

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD:

Captain Fermon Stone, Eastern Air Lines

Captain Van Roland, Eastern Air Lines

Captain F. Rivenbark, Eastern Air Lines

Captain J. L. Tompkins, Alr Line Pilots Association

APPEARANCES:

Messes. William Bell

and Sid Wheeler, attorney

for Bastern Air Lines

Mr. George Wray Gill, attorney for Captain

D. W. Ferrie.

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MR. GILL:

I am not at all too familiar with these

hearings, and, again, this 1s, frankly, my first appearance; but

having given a lot of attention and thought to this gentleman's.

position, I deem It only consistent that before proceeding with

the hearing we file with you what we consider something represent-

ing his appropriate rights; then the Petition for show of Good

Faith and Clean Hands-- those arent in proper order-- but, as 1

say, this 1s my first time-- I have an extra copy if you gentlemen

should want it-- and then this other one.

My reference in one of those documents was with the

1dea

of setting a case for hearing, and it was my understanding

was just to agree to the hearing and not by any agreement on

our part to waive any rights of Captain Ferrie. That 1s the

reference I made in there.

MR. BELL: Before we go any further, let me make

it clear just where we are as far as this matter goes.

When Captain Ferrie was originally removed from

flight status, we informed him at that time that we would take

no further action until the criminal charges had been duly

processed, at which time we would determine what

action we shold

take.

We have not made any such decision, and we are

currently investigating Captain Ferrie in order to determine the

facts necessary for the Company to make a decision

as to what

action should be taken in his case.

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Such investigations have been a fairly common thing

over the last six or eight months where a captain or a pilot has

been

involved

In some difficulty and where we have had an informal

hearing, sometimes with the

record being kept, sometimes without,

and this has been held by appropriate

companies and officials to

determine if any action should be taken or whether no action at

all is warranted.,

Many times the investigation 1s the end of 1t and

no action at all 1s taken. Many times

the investigation 1s made

for written charges being filed and some action taken against the

Company.

Every employes is entitled to some type of Investigation

prior to the company taking any action.

The fact that certain allegations have been made

should not be sufficient, but he

should have his chance to come

in to tell the story prior to the Company taking any action, to

appear as a part of his record thereafter; and that is the status

of Captain Ferrie today.

This is

an investigation to determine what his

side of the story 1s, and a good portion of what we want

to

Investigate today arises

out of not only the criminal charges

that were brought against him, but as a result of those criminal

charges we

attempted to make a thorough investigation of Captain

Ferrie's past and present activity.

Certain facts came to our attention in the course

of that investigation which had revealed an indication of serious

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discrepancies between Captain Ferrie's history as he informed

US

of

It and as we knew of 1t at

the time

he was hired and during

the time he has continued in our employment; certain facts that

raised serious questions in our mind about his emotional diff1-

culties over the past and about those

that have continued to the

present time, and certain facts that indicate the possibility of

serious physical difficulties.

We would like to discuss these problems with

Captain Ferrie today. We would like to have him go aver some of

his past history and discuss these alleged facts that have come to

our attention.

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Now, this 1s only a part of an investigation, but

1t is a very important

part in determining what final action will

be taken by the Company.

As I understand it, one of the important

points will be how frank and honest he is with us today, and when

we check these facts against ours and further investigation, as to

what he tells us, how much of that will stand up.

MR. GILL: I find no fault with anybody here on a

personal basis, and I don't want you to misinterpret what' I say,

with anybody at all conducting the investigation; but we tried to

get specifications as to what they wanted investigated today so

we would be better prepared and not depend on the memory of

Captain

Ferrie years ago, and,

as you know, Mr. Bell, that was denied me;

and, as I say, I am not finding any fault on a personal basis,

because that is the way it should be conducted, and that 1s the

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way

1t 1s; but you can consider our position this morning.

We know nothing and we are not prepared on any

basis to furnish any proof or to check any recollection or any-.

thing. Then, also, it seems to me that if that 1s the thought

and there Is some idea

about his having violated some confidence

or rule or regulation prior to this incident that has been com-

plained of, that a regular charge, a specification, should be

lodged and properly interrogated about

and investigated; but for

the Company now to go into something that is in the relative past,.

before this situation that brought about his suspension, I think

you should be denied that as a matter of law, wherein that his

rights of privacy cannot be invaded and that anything to do with

any alleged misconduct has to be on the job and not off the job;

and anything with reference to his scope of morality that did.

actually interfere with his duties can't

be inquired into, and

anything concerni " moral turpitude could not be inquired into

unless it 1s within the scope of his employment.

As I say, In order to be able to answer anything--

we came here as a matter of courtesy, and in answer to what we

considered a formal demand; but I contest and challenge the right

to inquire into those things until we can know specifically what

It 1s, and maybe it 1s something that would come within the purview

or scope of his employment, and, if so, then you would be entitled

to inquire. Into it and he ustly would have to answer, otherwise,

I don't think he would have to.

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As I

say, I don't consider it a question of his

display of fairness or co-operation

at this time, because he was

suspended for a particular purpose; and that purpose has been

removed. I tried one case and he was found not guilty, and the

other cases were dismissed against him.

MR. BELL: One case was actually tried?

MR, GILL:

Yes, sir. We tried a case and a plea

of not gullty was entered by the Court. We did try the case

before Judge McCurs, and what happened-- as I say, I don't say

this with any reference of any wrongdoing on the part of the

District Attorney, because I know him, and I know all of them

over there, and they are very fair and splendid people-- but we

filed motions for a Bill of Particulars on each and every day that

Captain Ferrie was charged with committing an offense, and he

was

actually on flight duty and up in the air in one of your airplanes.

MR. BELL:

Which case was he found not guilty of?

MR. GILL: I will get it our for you. When that

was made known to the District Attorney by his checking the records

In your office in New Orleans, then the boys were called back in

and they were under excellent tutelage at that time by two vicious

detectives from New Orleans;

and

the boy remembered

other dates;

and we went in and beat one of those and

showed that they were

absolutely false and positively untrue.

The District Attorney then finally got a hold of

the other young man in the case and had him come in to his office

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and interrogated him, and I understand he spoke to you on the

telephone; and this young man told the District Attorney how he

was brought in this situation by these detectives and he said that

1t was basically untrue;

and that having been cleared up, I think

Captain Ferrie 1s ready

for reinstatement, unless you have any-

thing else.

If you do, then I think this is the proper time and

forum to file them.

MR. BELL:

we understood from the. District Attorneys

In both Parishes that both cases were nol-prossed.

MR. GILL:

That is correct, except for the first one

I tried in New Orleans, and you have that record. We sent it to

you, showing a plea of not guilty. If you have them here, I can

point 1t out to you.

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I don't have. It here, but I will refresh

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that.

MR. GILL: He was found not guilty by Judge McCune.

MR. BELL: Let us understand one thing. With an

airline captain we belleve that the matters which bear on his job

are much wider than, for example, 1f he was a

cleaner out here that

cleans our hallways; and things like mental problems, whenever they

come to light, are going to be looked into very thoroughly.

MR. GILL: But that was not the cause of his su...

jension.

What you are talking about is money and the right to be

reinstated; and once that has been straightened out, then if there

is another cause for removal, that should be an extra hearing. He

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has his constitutional rights now, and we can't abate them or.

violate them; 1t just can't be done.

MR. BELL:

Well, you have filed a grievance abo

the matter of reinstatement which will be processed. The Company's

position 1s that 1t 1s going to continue its investigation and then

determine what final action 1s going to be taken in the case of

Captain Ferrie.

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This 1s part of the Investigation, We have certain

matters we Intend to inquire into.

MR. GILL: Well, I have hesitated to go into Court

on 1t because I hoped we would settle it, but I have

already

prepared the

cases, as you will see from some of these pleadings;

and this man is on the beach and he 1s in a hell of a fix finan-

cially. If 1t hadn't been for me, he wouldn't have known what to

do. He is a very splendid man, a very smart and brilliant person

and he has done a lot of research work for me, done It very well

and creditably. If it wasn't for the fact that I was able to help

him, I don't know what he would have done.

MR: BELL: Well, I think your position is clear,

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and I think our position 1s clear.. Now, we. are ready to proceed,

If Captain Ferrie agrees

to answer our questions.

MR. GILL:

Suppose you tell me what you would like

to know so I will know whether I should acvise him-- I mean to let

him proceed blindly into the interrogation which you have prepared,

and where you are sitting behind the gun, so to speak; and if he

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not only doesn't know what you want to know, but he probably can't

answer your questions unless he is given some time, and, secondly,

think the time for specifications and charges on those specifi-

cations has elapsed, 1t has gone by. I don't think you have a

right to question him, but 1f you tell me what It 1s, please, s^,

and I say this with all deference and respect, we might talk with

him and see if there is something that doesn't invade his privacy

which comes within the purview of your proper investigation, then

I will advise him to answer.

MR. BELL: The first thing I would Ilke for him to

give us 1s a quick summaryof his educational background starting

with his college wirk.

Mh, GILLy well, that 1s something that you could

have told me something about over the telephone when I talked to

you some time ago. I think that 1s his private life and something

that has already been gone into.

I think if you will check those cases (Indicating),

you will find out that you have no right to ask him that. If he

wants on his own to answer it and believes that his memory 1s

accurate enough, why, that 1s up to him; but I don't think he has

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MR. BELL: I am asking, would you describe to us

your college education background?

CAPTAIN FERRIE: MI. Bell, Section 29, Sub-section

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to give testimony of furnish any evidence

prior to the actual time of the investigation and hearing.

MR. BELL:

I want to make lt very clear to you that

we have tested these things before the neutrals and we have a clear

neutral's decision that

we are entitled to inquire into facts which

bear upon the man's duties and qualifications on the job, and

refusal to answer these questions and to co-operate In this 1n-

vestigation 1s in itself a separate and

distinct ground for

disciplinary action.

MR. GILL: Could you do this, Mr. Bell, could you

gIve us a l1ttle memorandum-- we will take it down-- I am not

trying to ask that you write it- so we will know

exactly what

you want to know, and let us talk it over with him?

MR. BELL: No. I can give you a general outline.

I am going to Inquire into his educational background, I am going

to inquire into his physical background, I am going to inquire into

any history of mental problems, I am going to inquire into certain

charges that were brought against him in New Orleans.

MR. GILL: What is that neutral's decision? Would

YOU

give 1t to me

so I might check it for my own edification?

MR. BELL: " I will furnish you with a copy of 1t.

It is in the matter of O'Neil versus I.M.

MR. GILL: O'Ne11 versus who?

MR. BELL: Well, It 1s not O'Neil versus I.M., but

it 1s in the matter of O'Ne1l.

He was an I.M. employee.

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CAPTAIN TOMPKINS: Is that all the information you

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CAPTAIN TOMPKINS: I see.

MR. GILL:

Would you have a copy that I could read

now?

This 1s new to me, and I don't pretend to know all there 1s

to know about 1t; but 1f I could see 1t, I could, discuss the

situation in light of that decision.

(Document is handed to Mr. G1ll.)

MR. GILL: Can we have about ten minutes alone with

this gentleman in an office so we can go over this?

MR. BELL:

You can use this office, if you llke.

MR. GILL: Thank you,

sir.

(Thereupon, a short recess

was taken, after which

the following proceedings were had:)

MR. GILL:: Having checked this page 72 of the

contract, Section 29, Paragraph 4, 1f we should answer anything we

may be. knocked out of the courtroom by virtue of having made a

waiver. I don't think we have a right to waive lt and I don't

believe he should. In the absènce of that, I don't see how he can

answer your questions.

Then, too, like the issues that

are sought

to be determined here, in this Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen

and Smith, where the Supreme Court held that when a contract be-

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Courts are not the neutrals, but that the Railroad Adjustment

Board has jurisdiction.

So here we have a situation where this gentleman

has given his physical background years

ago and his educational

background years ago, and 1f a copy of those can be furnished to

you and you wish to ask specific guestions

about. It, where he may

have made a mistake or an error or misstatement of fact, why, we

will try to give you whatever we can; but in the. absence of that,

we don't know what he said; we don't know what you want, we don't

have the questions.

Now, about his physical background, I think that is

something that addresses Itself to the F.A. A. who gave him his

lloense, and I think that would be the proper forum to decide as

to his physical fitness.

But, again, you would have to give us that, and we

request the questions that you want answered; and as to his mental

problems, I don't belleve my man is capable of determining mental

problems for himself.. That would be something that you would have

to ask him questions about under different circumstances at

different instances and then give him a chance to explain it, and

that then

would come under the prerogative of a psychiatrist. I

think we should have one present, if that is going to be gone into.

If you want a physical, I think you have a right. to ask for that;

and then go to the proper department to check his mental capacity

at the time as to the charges in New Orleans.

Obviously, some of

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the departments have furnished you with the proper information

because,

as I say, he did go to trial and was found not guilty on

the one charge and the other charges were then thereafter dismissed,

based primarily upon the fact that he had been found not guilty in

the original case and

also by statements from that young man. I

think you have a letter from him and a call from him, stating that

It was basically untrue.. I think that has beenexplained in the

correspondence that you have..

I think Captain Ferrie's answer would be that he was

found not guilty on one and the others were dismissed.

He plead not

gullty and wasn't gullty of them. Again, If you would ask specific

questions on that, we would try to answer; so if you would give

them

to us, we will see if we can get him to answer them for you.

I don't want to waive our right to object to any specifications;

because I don't think that you can give them now and demand that

they be answered because of the lapse of time prior to the filing

of the original letter to come here; and, secondly, I say we can't

waive anything for him and don't want to continue that way.

Last but not least, I think that the only reason

why we should in any way try to acquiesce in answering any specific

questions you might propound would be in a spirit of co-operation,

but I don't think that applies at all.: This decision was somethi

that had to do on the grounds of the Company, and certainly they

had a right to inquire; and, secondly, had this gentleman who

decided this case had the law available to him, I don't think he

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would have decided this way, except on premises.

MR. BELL:

Mr.. Kehoe 1s a

judge 1n--

MR. GILL: I know he 1s, but sometimes we don't

look up the law. I have been in that position where I didn't do

It and was sorry later; but under these decisions, I think this

decision 1s wrong.

MR. BELL: Is what you are saying that you will

answer written questions but not oral questions?.

MR. GILL:

I want you to give us the questions so

we can know what they are, and then after we get them, and only

then, can I tell you, first of all, if we can

answer

them, and,

second, if we want to answer them, and, third, if answering any

speoiflo question would hurt his legal position in the Court, and,

if so, I would advise him not to answer them. Only when we get

them can we make the determination as to what we will do. I don't

want to mislead you by saying we will answer them, I don't know;

but I think that we are entitled to that because this man-- you

have his application, you have all of the answers that you asked;

and I think we should at least be furnished with a copy of that,

too, along. with your questions; because until we get that, we don't

know what we are doing.

It 1s just like the question, 1f you quit beatin

your wife. If you answer it yes, you must have been beating her,

you couldn't have stopped. So unless we know

what we are doing,

just can't answer the questions.

I don't mean that anybody is

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trying to pose any trickery, I don't mean that at all; but 1f this

man was your client, you would want that.

MR. BELL:

Do. you understand that you can

supplement

any answers that he gives today, if you feel they should be supple-

mented at a later time?.

One of the purposes of having this hearing

1s to hear from Captain Ferrie himself directly, his answers to

these questions; and you also understand that acting as representa-

tive of the Company, weare at this time directing Captain Ferrie

to co-operate with us in this investigation, and we are directing

him at

this time to answer the questions.

The first question which has been posed to him was

to outline his college education to us.

MR. GILL: You see, 1t 1s just. Ilke having a man

that has both legs broken and telling him to walk, and if he

doesn't walk, he can be punished. You won't give him a crutci,

and I Insist you give him a crutch since you are asking him

specific questions. You cannot ask him to be an instrument of

his own conviction or destruction, because he may leave something

out and he may forget something.

If you have his original application and the

original documents that he signed, 11 you will give that to us

now and if there is anything about that. that you wish to question

him, why, I wili advise him to answer.. But unless we know what

you want-- I mean, you have no right to go on a fishing expedition

at his expense..

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MR. BELL: I am going to ask him some direct

questions.

CAPTAIN FERRIE: May I Interrupt? I will co-operate

with the Company within the framework of the agreement existing

between the Company and the Alr Line Pilots Association and not

outside of 1t.

MR. BELL: I am going to ask you some direct

questions and I would like you to either answer them or not answer

them, but I want the questions recorded.

MR. GILI: Would you deny or refuse us the documents

that we asked for or will you furnish them? I want the documents

that he signed, any and every document he signed tending to bear

upon the questions that you will question him about. I can't order

them, but I think we should have them.

MR. BELL:

We are not going to furnish them at this

time. I am going to ask him direct questions.

Did you, during the period of 1938 to 1940 attend

St. Mary's Seminary in Cleveland, Oh10?

MR: GILL;

"I don't think he ought to answer your

question unless you let him know whether he

said that before or

not.

I don't think you ought to be permitted to ask any questions

blindfolded.

MR. BELL:

As far as the Company can see, how he

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MR. GILL: I don't think you have a right to go

Into all of his previous conduct. If you feel that he has done

something wrong,

you should make the charges. You had investigators

out, and some. of them offered one of these witnesses $100 to frame

this man.

It hasn't been too nice, and--

MR. BELL: Would you give us the name of the witness?

MR. GILL: Jack Martin.

MR. BELL: • Martin?

MR. GILL: Yes, s1r. That 1s correct, Isn't 1t?

CAPTAIN FERRIE: Yes.

MR. GILL: And they have been handling some of the

other witnesses a little rough, Ilke police would do in a line-up.

As I say, they haven't treated this man exactly right, and I would

want a hearing and I think we ought to have what we get in Court.

If this was. a Court proceeding, I would be entitled to a Bill of

Particulars.

You would have to give that to me.

MR. BELL: Mr. Gill, as

I have informed you several

times, we have not decided whether any charges are warranted

against Captain Ferrie or not, what final action should be taken

has not been decided.

We are attempting to make an investigay_on.

MR. GILL:: But, you seem

to have the investigation

already completed in your mind, Mr. Bell. If you had a son that

was being interrogated;

don't you think he should have what he

signed before?

Don't you think that is simple fairness?

I do.

I

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You seem to have your decision already made because

there is something about:

the questions you are figuring he will

tripped upon or that he cant answer, and I don't think 1t 1g

fair. I think he should be given his statements that he signed.

Would this be considered, Mr. Bell, as actually a

part of the investigation,, this hearing?

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investigation.

MR. GILL:

This would be considered part of the

investigation?

MR. BELL:

That is right.

Would you tell us 1f you ever attended St. Charles

Seminary In Ohio? To our best recollection, he stated in the

application form that he did.

MR. GILL: I would respectfully request that all

the questions be deferred until we get the application about which

he is being questioned.

MR. BELL:

I will have to tell you, Mr. Gill, that

many of these questions do not have anything to do with the

application form; they have to do with other activities.

MR. GILI: The law says that you can't do that.

Kelly Plow versus London in 77 C.J.S., Ist

and and., says that you

can't invade the privacy of any employee. That 1s headed Right

of Privacy.

Can we make this a part of the record, a letter

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from Eastern Air Lines dated March 23, 1953 to Mr. D. W. Ferrie,

Eastern Air Lines,

Inc., Moisant Airport, New Orleans, Louisiana,

"My dear Dave: -_"

MR. BELL:

We will just have him copy them and have

them

attached.

MR. GILL:

Would you do that, and could I get them

back?

MR. BELL:

Yes.

MR. GILL: And also the letter from Mr. Halliburton

to Mr. Ferrie, with a copy of it to

G. E. Griener:

MR. BELL! Yes.

MR. GILL:

I would like to do the same with the

letter from Helen Jeanne Naatz and also a letter from J. S. Martin,

Sr.

I would like to make J. S. Martin, Sr.'s letter part of this

hearing and also the letter from Helen Jeanne Naatz.

He makes a

statement in here about the agent speaking to him..

Would you want

to make a copy of that, too?

MR. BELL:

Yes.

MR: GILL: I want to introduce the two other letters

in evidence:

MR. BELL:

The other letters

I have taken out to be

I copied.

MR. GILL:

Fine.

MR. BELL:

Let the record show that I am handing

Mr. Gill the application form signed by Captain Ferrie for employ-

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ment with Eastern Air Lines.

His educational records are on

the third page there.

MR. GILL: Without waiving any rights of his that

he may have under the rules and regulations and under his contract,

we can.

stipulate that this is' correct.

MR. BELL:

I would like toask him if he attended

St. Mary's Seminary during the period of 1938 to 1940 1n Cleveland,

Ohio.

MR. GILL.

Is that on here (indicating)?

MR. BELL:

It doesn't appear. on there.

MR. GILL:

If this is for the purpose of trying to

show a mental aberation, I don't think this is the proper forum.

I think we should have a pyschiatrist here, too, of whom we may

ask questions, 1f that 1s the purpose of 1t. I am trying to figure

out why you want it, and you tell me a reason; but you haven't

asked something about mental stability here.

I figure that 1s your

reason.

MR. BELL:

Are you refusing to answer the question

on behalf of Captain Ferrie or not? Will he answer the question?

CAPTAIN FERRIE: Within the framework of the con-

tract and the law as stipulated, I will be happy to; outside of

the provisions of the contract and the law, I shall not.

MR. BELL: Did you attend St. Mary's Seminary in

Cleveland, Ohio during the period of 1938 to 1940?

MR. GILL: Well, now, can I ask you the purpose of

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the question? I think that is only fair, and then I will advise

him as to whether he should answer it or not.

MR. BELL: If It 1s true that he did, I want to

ask him why he did'not put it on the employment record.

I want

ask him the reason for leaving it out.

MR. GILL: I don't think you can Inquire as to his

private l1fe.

I advise him not to answer that.

MR. BELL:

would you explain the reason why you

left St: Charles Seminary?

MR. GILL: I say, again, 1t 1s inquiry Into his:

private life and I see where it has nothing to do with the contract,

and I advise him that he would not be unco-operative not to answer

the question.

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MR. BELL:

Seminary for mental and emotional reasons?

Were you dismissed from St. Charles

MR. GILL:

For the same reason I advise him not to

answer, and I further state that to ask a man a question about his

own condition, 1t would be rather foolish; second-- I don't mean

you are foolish, don't misunderstand me-- secondly, if there 1s

any reason as to why he was dismissed for any mental aberation,

lI want the privilege of questioning that person.

I just recently had a handwriting expert on the

witness stand, and when I got through with him, there was

something

different with every letter; and the government later learned that

the man didn't write the letter, yet the handwriting expert, in

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MR. BELL: I do take 1t that on his behalf you are

advising him

to refuse to answer it?

MR. GILI: We refuse to answer because It is not

question, first of all, that he could answer, that the records

of that place would be the best

evidence, and testimony from

people there would be the best evidence, and glving us the right

to cross-examine them to see if there was a matter of any definite

reason

as stated on the record or whether it was just prejudice

or some other reason.

As I just stated about the handwriting expert, a

lot of times people in good faith make'a conscientious mistake.

I don't think he 1s a person to whom that question should be

addressed. I think it 1s an improper question

In the sense that

It shouldn't be asked of him, and I, as his attorney, tell him he

would not be falling to co-operate to refuse to answer the question.

MR. BELL:

Have you ever been treated for emotional

problems by a doctor?

MR. GILL:

I advise him to refuse to answer for the

same reason.

MR. BELL:

Gardner in Cleveland, Ohio?

MR. GILL:

Were

you ever under the care of Dr.

K.

I advise him not to answer for the same

reason.

MR. BELL: Are you refusing each time your attorney

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MR. GILL: No. I am advising him.

CAPTAIN FERRIE: I am refusing to answer on the

grounds previously stated, that 1f you will stick inside of the

federal law, the decisions of the Court and the contract, I will

be happy to answer it; but when you violate the law and the con-.

tract, I cannot. I consider that a waiver of my rights.

MR. GILL:

And, secondly, I advise him that he

shouldn't answer on his constitutional, prerogative and because of

the nature of the questions and the nature of the inquiry,

MR. BELL.

Were you ever under the care of Dr.

Wilfred Gill in Cleveland, Ohio?

MR. GILL:

Same reason.. In other words, should he

say yes and should he say that he was dismissed because of some

questiop of he didn't conform to the seminary work - well, once I

studied for the Episcopal ministry and thought I would llke it.

Well, I didn't like 1t, That doesn't mean I am crazy, I don't

belleve. But, anyway, It ta something that should be better in-

quired of the people that had an interest in the matter.

You must

have some evidence. If you are seeking to pursue it the way you

are-- and I don't mean to criticise your method of inquiry, Mr.

Bell, I don't mean It that way-- but I don't think that this is

something that this man should be called upon to answer in the

absence of records and people that can place themselves before you

and give us a right to examine them.

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MR. BELL: Did you ever live in Tampa, Florida?

MR. GILI:

It that has anything to do with that

same inquiry, the method of 1t-- as I say, I don'thow-- What 1s 1t

you wish to show by that, Mr. Bell? You

see, you have got all

those questions and we don't know what you want.

MR. BELL: We have, a report that he lived at one

tIme in Tampa, Florida, or held himself out to llve in Tampa,

Florida. We want to inquire into the accuracy of that, and 1f so,

why did it not appear on his employment form.

MR. GILL:

well, was that asked of him?

MR. BELL: All places where he lived were asked of

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MR. GILL: As I say, being absolutely Ignorant and

In the dark as to the purpose of the question, and until that 1s

further made clear, whether 1t ties in with this other situation

that you have been seeking to inquire into, I respectfully advise

him not to answer it.

MR. BELL: Did you ever attend the Sunnyside Flying

School In Tampa, Florida?

MR. GILL: Could I suggest this, Mr. Bell, 1f you

could let

me have your list of questions, which I see that you do

have prepared, and let us take them and let us study them, we will

tell you whether he can answer them.

MR. BELL:

I want to hear Captain Ferrie's answers

In person by himself. That is one of the purposes of this hearing.

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CAPTAIN FERRIE: Mr. Bell, I would be happy to give

you my answers in person orally when it 1s within the framework of

the contract and you provide them to me in writing.

MR. GILL: He is supposed to have them that way.

MR. BELL: Do you object

to the question?

Did you

ever attend the Sunnyside Flying School in Tampa?

CAPTAIN FERRIE: I object to the question as put

to me orally prior to the contract requirement of having them put

to me in writing. I can't make that more olear to you, Mr. Bell.

You are outside of the contract, you are tryng to deprive me of

my rights.

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MR. BELL: Have you ever suffered from asthma of

hay fever?

MR. GILI: Same objection. Mr. Bell, 1s this flying

school-- I don't know the purpose of that. If we could get the

witnesses in here today, we could go through everything you have

there.

MR. BELL: Mr. G111, I am trying to explain to you,

as I did many times, that we are inquiring after facts, we

are not

making any allegations that he ever lived in Tampa, Florida; we are

not making any allegations he ever attended Sunnyside Flying School

In Tampa, Florida, but we are inquiring after facts.

Now, this 1s not a hearing where charges

are being

preferred.

It may be that these facts are totally irrelevant, but

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don't know until we can determine the facts.

MR. GILL. It shouldn't bepursued. Being

a lawyer

myself, I know the hazards of answers that are given inproperly and

given too quickly..

We don't know what we are doing. Mr. Ferrie

doesn't remember at this time about this flying school you asked

about.

Maybe after some short deliberation, he may have some recol

lection. He might have known somebody there, maybe somebody who

has a feeling of enmity. I think he should have these in writing

since you have them, and apparently you have a great number of them;

and I think we ought to know what we are doing, and we don't know

now.

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I may be just a plain fool, but I just don't 11ke

to advise people in the Courtroom about things that are very

serious to their future and upon which the answers could be predi-

cated to be right or wrong for them to answer.

MR. BELL: Have you at any time administered

medicine to yourself by the use of a hypodermic, or had the habit

of treating yourself with a hypodermic?

MR: GILL: Well, 1f the man had sugar in his system

one time, maybe he did; but to answer yes, It might be inferred

that he used dope. I think 1t 1s an unfair question.

him cold turkey not even to think about 1t.

I advise

MR. BELL: When you were arrested in New Orleans

In regard to these charges, did you have In your possession a

medical bag containing medical instruments and a hypodermic?

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MR. GILI:

I see where that forms no part of an

inquiry, In that the man has a Ph.D. If he majored in medicine,

I guess he could have anything; but I don't see where that has

anything to do with the hearing.

MR. BELL:

Are you stating he 1s a

Ph.d., or

did

you say if he was?

MR. GILL: I understand he is a Ph.D..

MR. BELL: Captain Ferrie, would you tell us where.

and at what college you obtained any Ph.D.?

CAPTAIN FERRIE: If you put the question in writingas

in the contract, I will be happy to answer 1t, Mr. Bell. Stick

within the contract and the law, and I will co-operate. As long

as you don't, I cannot.

MR. BELL: Captain Ferrie, were you ever employed

by the Benedict High School in Cleveland, Ohio?

MR. GILL: There is no use in you wasting your time

or we wasting ours or these other gentlemen's time unless you give

us something in writing, so that I can tell him what I think 1s

right and wrong for him to answer.

You have the questions and you

won't give them to us, and I have asked you for them quite some

time ago and you told me that I couldn't get them.

This is just

an inquiry. Now, you named four things here and you have, ap-

parently, five or six pages of questions, and I will advise him

to co-operate with you tothe fullest extent, and he said that he

would co-operate if you would come within the four walls of the

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contract, and that 1s ail you have a right to do.

I mean, you have had investigators around. New .

Orleans that haven't been pursuing the investigation according

to Hoyle, as I would see 1t;

and I just don't thipk we should do

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You have questions to ask, and I should know what

you are talking about because it may be that after we get into them

he will answer every question; but I think we should have a fight

to sit down and know what he is called upon to do. He has hla

constitutional prerogative, It can't be taken away from him no

matter how much we may try..

I am going to advise him, unless you do give us the

questions and if we can be called upon to answer them, that there

1s no use in going into It any further,

and 1t. 1s not a refusal to

co-operate on his part; it 1s a refusal upon yours. You are re-

fusing to co-operate by giving us a fair chance to make a fair

answer.

There 1s no trickery to be resorted to, and I know

you don't intend it that way, but that is the summation.

MR. BELL:

I informed you previously that 1f you

feel that the answers that he gives now need to be supplemented,

you can at a later date supplement them.

MR. GILL: I won't know what these questions are

necessarily at a later date.. If you give them to me and if we can

keep them an hour, maybe we can answer them; or if we can maybe

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keep them longer, but I will tell you the truth aboutit, and as of

now, I just don't see any use of going into it.

I can't talk

to him every time you ask a question

and decide whether It is a proper thing to do. One question may

go into the other. I don't see how we can go on with 1t.. I see

no reason to go on..

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to ask him.

MR. GILL:: If you insist we stay, we will stay; but

that is my advice to him now as to every question,

MR. BELL: Captain Ferrie, you previously stated

in writing to the Company that the cause of these arminal charges

being filed against you in New Orleans was the Influence of a

Communist state in local government.

MR. GILL:

same objection, sir.

Is that the cause --

MR. BELL:

Captain Ferrie, you previously indicated

to the Company in writing that you know the pames of Communist

fellow travelers employed by Eastern Alf Lines.

would you give us

the names?

CAPTAIN FERRIE;

You are out of your jurisdiction.

MR. GILL: Wait. I think that 1s something that

should not be Inquired Into here.

I think that is a prerogative

of the FBI or a secret hearing. I certainly advise him to keep

that

to himself.

MR. BELL: It is your position then that any

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Communist employees that he knows of that are in the employ of

Eastern Air Lines,

and you so state, that he has a right to keep

secret from the Company?

MR.: GILL: • Definitely not, but I think inquiry has

to be made in the proper manner, not in an inquiry like this where

It 1s going to be in a public record. I don't think we should

Indulge in that here..

That should be a matter of a secret session.

wouldn't talk about 1t.

MR. BELL. Well, how could the Company inquire Into

the names

of these Communists in anymore of a secret meeting than

we have here?

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Because this can, and very likely surely

will become part of the Federal Court record, and I think that

should be handled-- I am trying to talk to Captain Ferrie privately

and quietly where nothing is being as a matter of a hearing except

the notes you are taking down.

MR. BELL:

All right.

Will you answer those

questions If we go off the record?

MR: GILL: I advise him not to. It doesn't come

within the prerogative of this investigation.

MR. BELL: If during the course of the Company's

Investigation It should determine that/a part of this investigation

that it wants you to take a complete physical and mental

examiia

tion, would you be willing to do that by doctors selected by the

Company and at the Company's expense?

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MR. GIlL:

If that is within the contract that he

should do that, why, the answer would certainly be yes; 1f not, it

would be no.

MR. BELL:

Can you give us an answer

now?

CAPTAIN FERRIE:

Exception on the Company

choice.

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CAPTAIN TOMPKINS: Mr. Bell should

certainly know

that.

He deals with 1t all the time.

MR GILL:

What does the contract hold, Mr. Bell?

MR. BELL: The Company normally, if they have any

questions about physical condition, they have a right to-- mental

condition as we interpret 1t-- they have a right to have the man

examined. If the man does not agree with the results of that

examination, he can have an examination by his own set of physicians;

and if they disagree with the Company's physicians, they get to-

gether and select a third set of physicians who make the final

examination.

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Well, since the matter 1s in the con-

tract, it 1s a matter of choice with him, the one that he 1s called

upon to answer, I say that they have a right to do 1t; but he would

certainly; I imagine, resist it under the light of the fact that

they are trying to keep from paying him all that money. I don't

think he should say anything that may imperil his position in any

way at all.

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MR. GILL:

Certainly:

CAPTAIN FERRIE:. In the course of my employment,.

I shall undergo such examinations as the Company

shall require;

while I am off the payroll and being subject to inquisition, no,

naturally.

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CAPTAIN FERRIE: I will undergo any physical

examination the Company wants while under employment. This 1s not

part of the contract.

MR. BELL:

You stated during this hearing previously,

or your attorney stated; that you are acquainted with

aJ.&.

Martin. Will you tell us what Mr. Martin does for a living?

CAPTAIN FERRIE: You will have to ask Mr. Martin.

MR. BELL: You have no knowledge what he does?

CAPTAIN FERRIE:"I didn't say that.

MR. GILL: I think you have correspondence in your

files with Mr. Martin. He 1s a private investigator, and that is

In your letter from him in your files, stating just what he does.

As I say, I don't think Mr. Ferrie should answer

any questions as of now because of the failure to provide us with

the written questions.

MR. BELL:

I want this to be very

clear to Captain

Ferrie and to you, Mr. G1ll, so there will be no questions about 1t

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in the future.

The Company 1s directing Captain Ferrie to answer

these questions at this time.

CAPTAIN FERRIE: May. I ask a question?

MR. BELL: Certainly.

CAPTAIN FERRIE: Are you directing me to

go outside

of the contract and waive my rights under the contract and the law?

MR. BELL:

Captain Ferrie, the Company has a right

to-

CAPTAIN FERRIE: You are not a Court of Law, Mr.

Bell.

That 1s for a Court to determine.

MR. BELL: It 1s the Company's position that 1t has

this right and 1s directing you to answer these questions.

CAPTAIN FERRIE: It 1s my position and understanding

that the Company does have the fight to ask me those questions, in

that I concur, in writing, th accordance with the contract.

MR. BELL:

Well, 1n all fairpess to you, so we make

no mistake, there 1s no requirement in the contrapt at all that

these questions be put in writing.

CAPTAIN FERRIE: Ma. Bell, I Invite you to read,

and I want to make this a part of the record, Section 29, Sub-

section A, Paragraphs 2 and 4.

MR. BELL:

Well, the contract is there,

but it is

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part of this record now. I want it to be very clear that you

have been directed to answer these questions.

Now, I ask you once again, will you answer these

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CAPTAIN FERRIE: Can I answer It once again? I

will be very happy to answer these questions--

MR. GILL:

Let me make the answer, please. I don't

think the answer 1s his prerogative. He hasn't refused to answer

these questions, except at my direction as a legal proposition and

not as a mattero tending to show any lack of co-operation on his

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might have had some answers for some of them; and some of them I

don't think should be answered, or the answer would have been no;

but having failed to do that, my position is that whether it is

within the contract or whether it isn't, since you have questions

you intend for him to answer and some of them go back to his child-

hood, it is that we should have been given those questions in

advance as you do have them in writing, and apparently have had

them for sometime. That is the legal position and factual position,

too.

MR. BELL: Does anybody have any questions? In

view of the position taken by Captain Ferrie through his attorney,

It would serve no further purpose to continue this hearing.

MR. GILL: May I ask, 1s that all the questions you

had intended to ask him?

MR. BELL:

No.

MR. GILL: Would you let ushave the rest of the

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questions so at least we'will have something to go by in the

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should come back and answer them; because now

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been asked him, unless you have asked him all that you intended to

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MR. BELL:

I think we have reached the position

where it is clear that he' doesn't intend to answer any questions.

I want to again make it clear that if he wants to answer, if he

wants to co-operate with the Company, today is the time to do 1t.

MR. GILL: Of course, your co-operation 1s not

necessarily, I don't belleve, the correct one, Mr. Bell. If you

will continue the interrogation and let us know what all the

questions are, I think we are entitled to that. This is a hearing,

and you are supposed to ask him anyway, so we will know what they

are; and I will be talking to Mr. Ferrie after this hearing, and

if there 1s any desire to reconvene It, I will call you. It is

up to you, of course, whether or not you would; but I think all of

the questions should be asked, at least so we know what our accusers

are saying, not have another hearing.

We hope to handle this matter amicably. I know

Eastern is not afraid of me, I don't mean 1t that way; but. we have

to terminate it one way or the other shortly, and I know that 1s

what you want done, and that is what we will have to do, and I

think we ought to know what your questions are.

That was the

purpose of the meeting.

Whether to answer them or not wasn't any

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guarantee. We came here to hear your questions, and whether we

are going to answer

them 1s another matter.

I think we should

know what they are. I ask that you tell us that now.

MR. BELL:

You were not called here to hear our

questions. This meeting was held to

give Captain Ferrie an

opportunity to.make

any explanations he would like to make in

regard to certain matters that have come to our attention in order

that he might further express these matters.

Captain Ferrie, on your advice, has chosen not to

answer the questions.

CAPTAIN FERRIE: That 1s an incorrect statement, Mr.

Bell.

Let the record show it.

MR. GILL: I would say this, Mr. Bell, since we are

here to answer the questions and maybe we may answer some of your

questions, we don't know-- the chances are we won't-- but, at the

same time, I think we are entitled to know what they are.

At this

time you refuse to give them to us in writing. I think we ought

to know. Maybe if we hear all of them, I might well change my

position; but to keep running Into names of Communists within the

scope of the investigation 1s not what I think should be answered:

It may well be, but I think-- I ask you to ask the questions, 1f

you will.

MR. BELL:

I want to point out to you that it was

Captain Ferrie who brought up the explanation on these criminal

charges being

based on Communists.

That merely constitutes an

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Investigation into his own explanations for all this business.

But If you have nothing further, we are going to

close the meeting and--

MR. GILI: Well, you close It with that request

open that I made, that you haven't complied with the rest of the

questions.

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The record will show it.

MR. GILL:

How much do you have yet to be asked him?

MR. BELL: I can't answer that question intelligent-

ly because the number of questions depends somewhat on the answers.

MR. GILI: But would you say that they are con-

siderable; 1s that correct, the questions yet to be asked?

MR. BELL:

Yes, sir, there 1s a number yet

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MR. GILL: What 1s your objection to fusnishing us

with a copy of the questions, all of them?

MR. BELL: As I have stated to you previously, one

of the advantages. of these hearings is to have the Captain himself

answer these and tell his story before the three Individuals who

have the responsibility for the Company to make these decisions.

Now, you do not get the same type of advantage out

of preparing a list of written questions which then

are taken off

and the answers are written up at a different time. We have a

right to investigate the matter in what we determine is the most

proper

manner. We offered you the opportunity to supplement any

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answers that you might give at this time.

We believe that you

have had every opportunity to make any explanations you feel are

appropriate or give any

answers. to these questions; and nothing

further can be served by prolonging this meeting.

MR. GILL: Okay, 815.

Thereupon, the meeting was concluded at 11:05

a.m.)

**.* *

CERTIFICATE

STATE OF FLORIDA

SS.

COUNTY OF DADE

I, the undersigned, hereby certify that the foregoing

transcript, pages I through 38, 1s a true and

correct transcript

of my stenographic notes of the proceedings had at the time and

place stated in the caption thereof.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I hereunto set my hand this 27th

day of February, 1963.

I Schiffe

E. R. Schiffér

Court Reporter

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Hired To

4/16

44

INTERVIEWED BY_

COMMENTS.

3

EASTERN AIR LINES, INC.

Confidential

APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT

FOR COMPANY USE

EMPLOYED BY_

DATE TO START-

POSITION.

DEPT.

SALARY RATE

DATE 3/29/5

This application is not only a factor in considering you for employment, but it is also kept as a permanent record

if you are employed. Please fill it out with this in mind. FILL OUT CAREFULLY AND IN INK.

plyical: 0959-1113

GENERAL INFORMATION

piss

Date...

"16 March 1951

Name FERRIE

DAVID

WILbLAM Social Security No. 282-18 - 8217

First Name

Middle Name

Required for Employment

Mailing Address 4730 And NAbERNE AUTY CLEVELANA PEr Phone NO. CLEARHATER 1-5515

In case of emergency notify: MRS, JAMES h.FERILE

MOTHER

Name

Relationship

-12302 INtERNE AVE

CLEVELING LU 2410

_ CLEARNATER LOSeS

Address (Street and Number, City, State)

Phone No.

Position applied for ...... C0-21427.

OPEN

Acceptable Salary

Other positions qualified for or interested in

FLIGHIEVILKE

Do you agree to work rotating, day or night shifts?

YES

Are you willing to travel? Ya... Would you be willing to accept transfers to other stations on our system? Yes.

What locality on our system would you prefer? .

LOUTHERN

How soon after notification could you report for work?

(SEE ALTAGNER SHEST)

Have you ever been convicted of any offense other than minor traffic infractions?

If answer to the above question is "yes", explain

107- 10112a216

PERSONAL REFERENCES (to whom you are not related and by whom you have not been employed) :

Name MR. EUGENE STEIn

- Name. IR. FRANKS V MININER

Occupation SLANAL ENGINEER

- Occupation... ELTS INSPECTO CAVE.FIRE EIT

Address 2698

Street and Number

W. 11= CLEVELAND, OHIO Address /318 2. 191°6

Street and Number

PERSONAL INFORMATION

Age

•. 33

Sex

..Date of Birth 28 MARcH 6018

Are you a citizen of the U. S.?...

YES

-Single 5

Separated

Married

• Divorced D

Maiden Name, if Married

DEPENDENTS: Name MRS JAMAS tEERT Relationship

Матнка

Age 11

Name

Relationship

Age ....

Name

Relationship..

Age..

EAL 162 REV. 6 - 48

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'ART

101E

PERSONAL INFORMATION (CON'T.).

MUSIC

PSYCHOROSV

What hobbies and athletics are you interested in and do you engage in?...

WRESTLINS

00 as

Do you own your home?.

_. Rent? - Board?-YeS. Live with Parents? YES.

If employed, you will be

required to turnish two

recent photographs of

yourself to be attached

Please state below how you have been occupied during the past, whether employed or not,

to this application.

and giving exact dates.

Place the most recent record first. This information must acccunt for all time.

FROM

NAME AND ADDRESS OF EMPLOYER

NAWL OF IMMEDI

ATE SUPERVISOR

MATURE OF POSITION

OR OCCUPATION

RAT&

OF PAY

WHY DID

YOU LEAVE

1950

MONTH

19-

MONTH

10502

Lull

MONTH

1012

LEN

MONTH

1040

HUG

MONTH

1041

SMONT™

19-50

MONTH

195d

jUN

MONTH

19 4L

JURy

MONTH

101,

FOR

MONTH

MONTH

10—

ALKELL KERAL SITARILICE

1900 EUCILO ANE CHELENANA DUCO

STREFT & NO.

CITY

STATE

BANKERR LADEMNITY

V234 CHESTER QUE CLENCLAGID OIID

STREET • NO.

CITY

STATE

JEDA

eit

I ABILLIN

DIUSHETLANAPID,

STREET & NO.

FLEURE ESTS STATE

STANDARD ALL CO

BROADSAY QUE

_STREET & NO.

CITY

01803

STATE

ST. CHARLES

CARTHGIENA 1410

STREET & NO.

CITY

REMAINDER SEE

STATE.

EDNCATIONAL

MANS, PITINER

INSURANCE 8250-.

ANI STILL

SAFETY

ENGINEER

EMPLOYED

CAR WALTEG

BLAIR

MI2I

SAFETY

ENI6/U55&

PILOT

8.300-

SURAT_

COMPANY

REDICTI

SPENATIONS

KOY HEBERT

PART-TIAG

Втікань

IN

22H00 L

6,25-

SONENICTET

10T4

WORK

157. 3102

KOHLING

RECORD

STUDENT

STREET & NO.

CITY

MONTH

MONTH

19.

19

STREET & NO.

CITY

STATE

What office machines do you operate. TYPFNBITEA ADDING, COMETONRTAR MIASOSRAZA

If applying for mechanical work, do you possess hand tools?

... Approximate value $

Licenses held and now valid:

MECHANICAL

RADIO

PILOT

Date

Aircraft No.:

. Issued :

Ist Class No..

Date

.. Issued

Private

Date

Engine No. - Issued -

2nd Class No..

.. Issued

Commercial 53586k

MULTI& SINSLOING

LAND.

3rd Class No. 8465% Issued 10-11-47

Have you made previous application for employment with Eastern Air Lines?

No

When?...

Where?..

Are you employed at present?

May we write your present employer? Yas face.

Have you ever been discharged? YEs /SER ATTAN N2 f so, state reason - SERenies

222.

Names of relatives employed by Eastern Air Lines

MadE

Names of personal acquaintances employed by Eastern Air Lines ..

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TIrL Or SCHOOL

ELEMENTANY

MIGH

UNIVERSITY

AERONAUTICAL

OR

TRADE

Ludinse.

OTHER

MAME OF SCHOOL

ST.PATRICH'S

STIGNATIUS:

BALDWIN::

WHiLICE

SAY TSCH IS'C

AIR WiY SERVICE

ATWEIL VOGEL

SINGER'S IND.

EDUCATIONAL RECORD

(CITY a STATES

CLEVELAND

01110

CLEVELAND

ONIO

BEREA

0H19

CLEVTIMID

donatina

CLEVELANS

YEARS ATTENDEO

FROM

10=1!

1931

1937

1913

1150

193/

1.935

1841

GRADUATID

YES

NO

(V)

PRINCIPAL SUBJECTE

GRAMMAR

ACADEMIC

4.2

DEGREE REC'D

COMMERCIAL.WITH

INSTRUMENTS

SINGLE

AUDITING

S.65745

#06554815581016

1W: -1914

What foreign language do you speak? SPANISH.

Height ..

22"

Weight

Do you have any defects in: Speech

Any other physical defects?

PHYSICAL DATA

- Color of Eyes 210:241

..Color of Hair...

Hearing -

Sight_

_Do you wear glasses?.

What is the present condition of your health? ECHOE FILeD or else daninge

How much time have you lost through illness in the past two years?

Have you ever suffered any serious physical injury? Is so, state when, where and nature of injury...

WORLD WAR II RECORD

(To be filled out by men and women who served in any branch of the United States Armed Forces):

Enlistment or induction date

Date of discharge

Branch of Service

-Type of discharge...

•Years :.

Months...

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SERVICE SCHOOLS ATTENDED

waw.

LOCATION

NOT

ТУРІ

APPALCABLE

LENGTH OF TIME

ATTENDED

M.O.. RATINO ON

NANN

SERVICE-ACQUIRED EXPERIENCE

HOW LOMO

(MONTHS)

TYP& OF WORK

PERFORMED

NOT

APPLESOLE

OR WORKED ON

Service overseas, battles, missions, etc.

NOT 2221100210

Medals,

citations, etc.._

MEE.

AGREEMENT

The yndersigned, in being given and accepting employment with Eastern Air Lines, Inc.., understands and agrees that his employ-

ment is not for any fixed term or period, but may be terminated at the will, and in the discretion of, the employer, Eastern Air Lines,

Inc., at any time without advance notice to the employee or further obligation on the part of the employer, and payment of wages at

stipulated periods and/or failure to enforce the above stipulations shall not constitute a waiver of same, but shall be in full force and

ellest as long as the employment shall continue.

The undersigned, in being given and accepting employment with Eastern Air Lines, Inc:, consents and agrees that all inventions.

discoveries, patents, copyrights, trademarks, trade names, improvements, plans, devices and ideas of any nature which the under-

signed may obtain, make, originate or develop during or alter the period of such employment having any relation to said employment

or lo the business of Eastern. Air Lines, Inc., and/or resulting in any way from said employment or business or from information obtain-

ed as a result of said employment shall be and remain the sole exclusive property of Eastern

Air Lines, Inc., and may be used or

disposed of in any manner by Eastern Air Lines, Inc., its agents, legal representatives and assigns, and those acting for it, under its

permission or upon its authority, without payment of any compensation

whatever to the undersigned, or the payment of any costs

except such disbursements as may be necessary and incidental lo obtaining, making, originating or developing the same; and the

undersigned lurther agrees to do all things necessary to establish and detend good and sufficient title to same in Eastern Air Lines.

The undersigned, in being given and accepting employment with Eastern Air Lines, Inc., consents and agrees that ail photographs,

photographic negatives, prints of every kind and nature, and all illustrations, pictures, designs, paintings, drawings, and other repro-

ductions of every kind and nature in which any likeness, accurate or otherwise, of undersigned may appear during or alter such em.

ployment, made through any media prior lo or during such employment, may be published, used, copyrighted, exhibited, displayed

and/or printed in advertising or otherwise in any manner, without compensation of any kind or nature to the undersigned or others.

by Eastern Air Lines, Inc., its agents, legal representatives and assigns and those acting for it, under it permission or upon its author-

ity, and those for whom Easiern Air Lines, Inc, may be acting: and undersigned agrees to indemnity and hold harmless Eastern Air

Lines, Inc., its principals and agents, from any claim arising out of the acts of reproduction and publication of any likeness of under

signed above mentioned.

Signature

Use space below for additional information which might have some bearing on your experience.

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Supplement to Application for Employment

Flying Personnel Only.

I. When and where did you receive your flight training? Sly-Tech Incue & Aircraft Service Incu

at Clevoland Municipal Airport, Oleveland, Onio. Likewise, various attendanco at ar

courses given in this area I could peasibly attenda

2.

Have you had service in foreign countries and if so, when and where? No service, as auch. However,

in the course of employment I have done extonsive flying in Mexico and Canada, though BONE

of thio foreion flying involved instrument flight.

3. Are you a member of the military reserve? NO _ Which branch?_

LICENSES AND SPECIAL RATINGS

1. Certificate of Competency No.335866

Expires.

2.: Pilot Rating held.

Commercial Pilot

3. Aircraft Rating held -

MultI engine & single engine land

4. Special Ratings - Instrument Inatruments Other_

What class radio license do you hold 3rd Class. No. 84555

List your experience with radio Continuous radiotolephone esperience in aviation. Lilewisa,

radiotelephone and On experienco with Jivil 111 Patrol. Bacolve about 15 1.0M. Also have

ONNI Directional

Equipment.

involves using a singlo

inter-

sections, eto., and operation of low frequency radio in static and storm conditiona.

Summary of business experience. In course of present employment it is come times necessary for

me to analyze the books (ledgers, audito, ote) with a view to establishing financial con-

dition, and or auditing of such books with view to establishins premiuns fer liability

insurance for commercial and industrial concorns.

Brief summary of all aircraft accidents:

Thank God, none.

Remarks

FORMIBRA

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Type

Single Motored Land

Single Motored Water.

Multi Motored Land

Multi Motored Water-

Planes 18,000 Ibs. Gross over

Instrument time (Hood)

INCLUDING IN'S

Instrument time (Cross Country)

Cross Country time day

Cross Country time nigat

Total Night time

TOTAL TIME

INCLI IANTRUFIENNTE

160:00

LIST FLYING TIME BELOW

Hours Flown

Hours Flown

Authority

1230:00

NONE

1230: 00

NONE

200:00

50:00

6? 10:00

1,800:00.

FROM

5697.1950

Jan. 1950

VUBiE 1945

JUNE i94S

VAN 1919

TO

PRESENT

SEPT:: 1250

359.

PRESENT

JAN 1950

LIST FLYING EXPERIENCE LAST FIVE YEARS

NAME AND ADDRESS OF EMPLOYER

GOGOA: C4Rr01000, 3410

BANKURS

MAY CHESTERI

SEDA

114 SOFTLONS ALDO CLUELENA DUS

NATURE OF FLYING

XIE TO DARIEVE

: 30 215-

206607110

FREINT TRANSPONT

ENCORA

ANIMHETE

INSTROUTED LAPIRIETS

itt0

COULDNOS BIIORE TO

ijo 7o.

Send Wish in Firs

Signed

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RETAIL CREDIT COMPANY

PERSONNEL SELECTION REPORT

CAUTION TO CUSTOMER: In accordance with our alree.

must, this report is released with understanding that informa

tien in this report is STRICTLY

CONCIDENTIAL; not to be.

communicated to person reported di in do un opera site.

Acci. No: 43.53

(Mail Under Personal Cover)

5-21-51

FERRIE,

14

Cleveland

DAVID W.

Cleveland, Ohio, 17302 LaVerne Ave.

¿ Filo No.

Investigation mado at

Cleveland, Ohio

5.

Ernfebay 0 4-16-57

Pasti

Racial Descent:

AS

Prosoit or Formo: Addross:

Fresent

(Do not Gnawer inglete where last"lesulations prohibit.)

PRIMITRO

6. Reputation good?

3.

Number Yoars Known:

20-1

vrs. 7 mos. (File 12 yrs.)

(To you or iniormants)

Date of Birth or Age:

3-28-18

%. RECOMMENDED? No Past Employment

1.

DATES OF EMPLOYMENT: Give dates of employment or unemployment. List names and addresses of employers under headings below.

2. SUMMARY OF EMPLOYMENT: SHE CAN ANY CAN N C, Comtey, standing, amings, absentoolsa, roasons for laaving, aligible for.

EDUCATION: Show extent of education. School record.

TRAITS: Is he cooperative? Does he display initiative, posses ability to get along with others?

5.

HEALTH-HABITS: Cover healts, impairments, appearance, drink or drug habits.

PERSONAL-REPUTATION: Cover

marital status,

dependents, home

surroundings, financial and credit

associates; speculatioz,

(Begin with present or most recent and trace back chronologically)

(1) EXACT DATES OF EMPLOYMENT OR UNEMPLOYMENT

NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF EMPLOYERS

11-50 40 4-9-51

Atwell Vogel Sterline, 1900 Hanna Bldg.,

Cleveland, Ohio.

1-50 to 10-50

Bankers Indemnity, 1234 Chester Ave:,

Cleveland, Ohio.

See Remarks:

Jeda Oil Drilling Co., 714 Swetland Bldg•.

Cleveland, Ohio.

1940 to 5-48

Benedictine High School, Cleveland, Ohio.

SUNNARY OF EMPLOYMENT: Atwell Vogel Sterling,

employed as an insurance inspet-

or,

nad an

excellent record,

resigned voluntarily

and is elgible

for rehire.

Considered a very brilliant

man, hard worker and very aggressive.

extremely

Bankers Indemnity, employed as an inspector trainee, hard worker his private

intelligent, but overbearing.

of his superior.

to bal or no as

He was discharged because he used

plane to travel from town to town instead of his private automobile,which he

lead the company into believing he was using. This also caused the dismissal

Jeda Oil Drilling Co.,

this was a small speculative firm and is no longerin

operation. However, we have file incormation dated 4-5-49 which shows that

he was employed as a purchasing agent and hired about the middle of 1948, not

0-45 as shown on your inquiry.

AS

will ve seen later in this report,

he

had

a delinite reason for extending these dates.

He was notified in the

first

-part of 1949 to seek another job because business was so slow.

He had a fav-

cradle record with this company un until the date of our file.

Benedictine High School, ne was under contract to teach at

this high school

from

1940 to 1949, very

uncooperative and did things pretty much his own way.

He was criticised

for

osycho-analyizing his students rather. than teaching them

the subiects of arithmetic and history which ne

was hired to teach.

Parents

stormed the school with complaints, and he was dressed down for this on several

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occassions.

He was entrusted with a school airplane which he was

assigned to

the west coast and back to Cleveland,

while in his possession it was

round that several valuable instruments had been removed from the

definitey proven that he was responsible for this." Or

occassions he took puoils. for rides in his own plane without

the permission

of their parents.

Again complaints poured into the school. On some of these

excursions he is known to have bought beer for the students.

Your applicant

was also entrusted with a school year book

valued from $500

to $600 and in

short time the book disappeared and he was unable to give an account.

fired from this job on 0-48

sible and a dis-credit to the school.

, was regarded as dishonestho01

unreliable,

Although the

authorities had

grounds ior legal action,

they preferred rather to just sever their relations.

information was

verified on three different occassions when we were re-

quired to contact this school.

It is not hard to understand why he omitted

this employment on his application to your company.

EDUCATION: He is a graduate of Baldwin Wallace College, Berea, Chio, Class of

0-41.

rie had

a favorable scholastic record.

1Ra14S: Not considered cooperative, above average initiative but seldom used

it to a good savanage, and does not particularily possess the ability to get

along with others.

HEALTH-HABITS: Appears to be in good health, has no known impairments, pre-

sents a favorable appearance and does not engage

in drink or drug habits.

PURSONAL-REPUTATION: Your inquiry shows the applicant to be single, however,

we have file information from

Tampa Florida,

dated 1-11-49 which

he was married at that time and had 2 dependents.:

Persons contacted in this

He makes his home with his parents

vate lite.

He has a favorable financial and credit standing and we round no

indication of speculation of gambling.

POLICE RECORD: Sept. 27, 49, Traffic Ord. $5 & Cost cost susp. 7-14-49 Traffic

Ord. 55 & Cost. 9-14-45,

Traffic Ord. $15 & Cost cost

susp. 5-23-48,

Traffic

Ora. $10 & Cost cost susp. 1-16-46, Iraffic Ord. $15 & Cost, Fine susp.

LOYALTY: We learned of no acts of disloyalty toward the United States Government,

no allegiance or friendliness

to a foreign country, nor any redent trips abroad.

was found in respect to his attitude toward the present internationa

MILITARY: Believed to be a member of the Air Corp Reserve, however,

we were un-

able to learn whether he is active or inactive.

NOID: In view of the foregoing information which has been verified time and again

over the past few years, we certainly cannot recommend him as a desirable emoloy-

ment risk.

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RETAIL CREDIT COMPANY

FERSONNEL SELECTION REPORT

"CAUTION TO CUSTOMER:

In accordance with our agree-

ment, this report is released with understanding thai injorna

tion in this report is STRICTLY

CONFIDENTIAL; not to be

communicated to person reported on or to anyone else.

Ac:. No.

1383

(Mail Under Personal Cover)

5-21-91

14

FEARIE,

DAVID

W.

Cleveland, Ohio, 17302 LaVerne Ave.

Cleveland

101 GA

¿ Filo No.

Pily

ravestigation mudo at

Cleveland,

Ohio

5.

Employe 014-16-77

Porti,

7 Hellenti

Racial Descent:

AS

Present

Reputation

(Do not anower ingeles her figs / sulations prohibit.)

Number Years Known:

(To you or injormants)

Dato of Birth or Age:

20-1 yrs. 7 mos. (File 12 yrs.)

3-28-18

7. RECOMMENDED?

No Past Employment

263-12-13

DATES OF EMPLOYMENT: Give dates of employment or unemployment. List names and addresses of employers under headings below.

2. SUMMARY OF EMPLOYMENT: Shirt OX PLAIN ANY GAS A t hold, competeney, standing, earning, absentelara, reasona for leaving, eligible los

Form

EDUCTION: Show extent of education. School record.

4.

TRAITS: Is he cooperative? Does he display initiative, posses ability to get along with others?

HEALTH-HABITS: Coves healta, impairments, appearance, drink or drug habits.

PERSONAL-REPUTATION: Cover

dependents, home

gambling, criminal record.

Names occupation dupline, once?,

reputation

honesty

assocíates; speculation,

if marriad woman.

(Begin with present or most recent and trace back chronologically)

(1) EXACT DATES OF EMPLOYMENT OR UNEMPLOYMENT

NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF EMPLOYERS

11-50 +04-9-51

Atwell Vogel Sterling, 1900 Hanna Bldg.,

Cleveland, Ohio.

1-50 to 10-50

Barters Indemnity, 1234 Chester Ave.,

Cleveland, Ohio.

See

Remarks:

Jede Oil Drilling Co., 714 Swetland Bldg.

Cleveland, Ohio.

1940 to 0-48

Benedictine High School, Cleveland, Ohio.

SUIARY OF EMPLOYMANT: Atwell Vogel suerling,

employed as an insurance inspot-

excellent recora, resigned voluntarily and is elgible for rehire.

Considered a very brilliant

man, hard norres an: very aggressive.

Bankers Indemnity,

intelligent,

out

employed as an inspector trainee, hard worker,

extremely

overbearing.

He was discharged because he used

his private

plane to travel from town to town instead

of his private

automobile, which he

lead the company into believing he was using. This also caused the dismissal

of his superior.

Jeda Oil Drilling Co.,

this was a small speculative firm and is no longerin

operation. However, we have file incormation dated 4-5-49 which shows that

ne ves emplored as a purchasing agent and nired about the middle of life nad

0-45 as shown on your inquiry.

a deïinite reason

for extending these dates.

As will be seen later in this report first

He was notified in the

part

08 1949

to

seek another job because business was so slow.

He had a fav-

crable record with this company up until the date of

our file.

Benedictine High School, he was under contract to teach at this high school

from 1940 to 1949, very

uncooperative and did things pretty much his own way.

He was criticised

for psycho-analyizing his students rather than teaching then

the subjects of arithmetic and history which he was hired to teach.

Parents

stormed the school with complaints, and he was dressed down for this on several

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öccassions.

He was entrusted with a school airplane which he was assigned to

the test

coast and back to Cleveland, Ohio.

While in his possession

found that several valuable instruments had been removed from the dash-board*

and,'It was definitey proven that he was responsible for this."

On numeróus

occassions he took pupils. for rides in his own plane without

the permission

of their parents.

Again complaints poured into the school.

On some of these

excursions he is known to have bought beer for the students. Your applicant

was also entrusted with a school year book valued from $500 to $600 and in

time the book disapeared and he was unable to give an account.

¡Ired from this job on 0-43,

sible and a dis-credit to the school.

was regarded as dishones hool authorities had

Although the

they preferred rather to just sever their relations.

ou dom on a vented needed rathen to cass ges rente vela ion

ouired to contact this school.

It is not hard to understand why he omitted

this employment on his application to your company.

EDUCATION: He is a graduate of Baldwin Wallace College, Berea, Ohio, Glass of

6-41:

He had a favorable scholastic record.

IRAITS: Not considered cooperative, above average initiative but seldom used

it to a

600d advartage, and does not particularily possess the ability to get

along with others.

HEALTH-HABITS: Appears to be in good health,

has no known impairments, pre-

sents a lavorable appearance and does not engage in drink or drug habits.

PERSONAL REPUTATION: Your inquiry shows the applicant to be single, however,

we have file information irom

Tampa Florida;

dated 1-11-49 which shows that

he was married at that

time and had 2 dependents.

Persons contacted in this

were unable to confirm this.

cit:, howeveddle-class section of the city.

He makes his some with his parents

in a good

Home surroundings are favorable and

no criticism was. found in the residence in respect to morals,

nabits, honesty,

or associates.

It is obvious that his neighbors are not familiar with his ori-

vate life.

He nas a lavorable financial and credit standing and we found no

indication of speculation of gambling.

POLICE RECORD: Sebt. 27, 49,

Traffic Ord. $5 & Cost cost susp. 7-14-49 Iraffic

Ord. $5 & Cost. 9-14-48,

Traffic Ord. $15 & Cost cost susp. 5-23-48,

Traffic

Ord. $10 & Cost cost suso. 1-16-46, Iraffic Ord. $15 & Cost,

Fine susp.

LOYALLY: We learned of no acts of disloyalty toward the United States Government,

no allegiance or friendliness to a foreign country,

nor any redent trips abroad.

to criticism was found in respect to his attitude toward the present internationa

MILITARY: Believed to be a member of the Air Coro Reserve, however,

able to leern whethar he is active or inactive.

NOTE: In view of the foregoing information which has been verified time and again

over

the cast few years, we certainly cannot recommend

him as a desirable endloy-

ment

risk.

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same - David Willian Forrio

27

Born, when and whore - Cleveland, Ohio, March 28, 1918

Father's name - Jancs Howard Ferrie

Mothor's nano - Burdette Couts Goldrick

Aro both Catholio? - Yes

Married when & whero -St. Colman's Church, Cleveland, Aug. 19, 1914.

shore & riben baptizod - "

March 31, 1918.

"hat ritos - Roman

Where and when confired - Nov. 17, 1931 - st. Patrick's Church (Vestpark) by Bp. Schrembs

Where to school - St. Coleman's four years; St. Patrick threa years; (slipped a year);

High school at St.

Ignatius H. School, Cloveland (Jesuits) Lour years;

John Carroll University for threo years (that is, to June 1938).

When to Seminary - (St. Mary's, Glovelend) Sept. 1938 t111 Juno 1940.

Whon Loave Seminary - Juno 1940.

What courses taken there - Same as hero

Are all your papers at Seminary? Yos (of. Magr. Joseph Walsh who keeps rocords & grades.

Lives at Seminary)

Why leave Seminasy? - Requested by Rector not to come back folloring year - Tore up leti

tor - "for cortain reasons" mentioned in that letter wee not fur-

ther

explained. Msgr. Hagan triod to find out for him and did not succeed. - Ferrie

say "pgrhaps becauso I was too impulsive. - Says philosophers never had contact with Rec-

tor, -never any personal contact vith him. About twice a year ho vould read rule to

then in chapel s male few observations. Dr. Fuorst was kind of prefect for house; not

much contact with him either. Msgr. Froy was spiritual director, but too ill to do nuch

beyond a 20-minute talk each Saturday ovening.

Confessors - total strangors.

Dis-

missal was never appealed to Bishop.

It is presumed that he approved Rector's action as

a matter of course. Rector has refused to discuss reasons for dismissal with Ferrie..

-

Any debts there? of elserhore? - No.

To what parishes have you belonged (sinco 14 years old)?

In St. Patrick's, Cleveland

(Westparlo) since 1928. - No

other later.

Any physical handicaps - asthma & hayfover, but says he tales hypodermic shots rogular-

ly & so

is not bothered.

Takes them himsolf - has

training from doctor.

sufficient

spring&

early summer.

Not bothered now for four years, but takes shots regularly, esp. in

Any troublo with civil authoritios? No.

MilItary sorvice - Can you get deforment (exemption) from local board in Cleveland? -

Must get decision on this.

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MMORANDUM

scambra

→ stein

FEBRUARY 28, 1967

TO :

FROM:

RE :

JIM GARRISON, DISTRICT ATTORNEY

ANDREW SCIAMBRA AND LOUIS IVON

INTERVIEW WITH DAVID FERRIE

On Saturday, February 18, 1967 at approximately 3:30

P.M., Louis Ivon and I interviewed David FERRIE in his apartment

on Louisiana Avenue Parkway.

As we approached the house, FERRIE came out on the

porch and looked at us and began to walk down the steps to open

the front door for us.

As he opened the door for us, he told

Ivon that he was glad that we finally decided

to come and talk

with him as he had been trying to get in touch with Garrison or

Ivon for several days. He told me hello and

asked me what I was

doing with Ivon and I explained to him that I was

an Assistant

D. A. now and thought that I would come along with Ivon since we

knew each

other

from the airport.

He told us to go on upstairs and that he would follow

us, but that it would take him some time to climb up the stairs

as he was sick, and weak and that he had: not been able to keep

anything on his stomach for a couple of days.

He moaned and

groaned with each step he took up the

stairs from the bottom to

the top. This behavior by FERRIE impressed me as phoney act and

I am sure that he was not as sick as he pretended to be.

Once inside the apartment, Ivon and I sat down and

FERRIE laid down on the sofa in the front room.

He was wearing

pants and a T-shirt and had two pillows under him;

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There was a young man in the apartment in his early

twenties who was

a friend of FERRIE's from the Lakefront Airport.

His name is BURT JOHNSON and I remember him from when I was

working out there.

FERRIE had given him flying instructions and

he told me that he had already acquired his license.

My first conversation with FERRIE centered arouna

airport talk and about people we both knew from the airport. He

said that he had often wondered what had happened to me and that

he though I had gone into private practice. He said that he

knew a lot of ex-D.A.'s and they were all dumb, with a few

exceptions.

He then said that the reason that he had called us was

that he was getting concerned over our investigation. He had

heard all kinds of rumors that he was going to get arrested and

that he wanted to find out if these rumors were true.

He said

that as a result of these rumors, he had been asked to leave the

airport and now he was concerned over how he was going to make a

living, that flying was his only enjoyment in life.

FERRIE said

he was suffering from encyphilitis and that he could not get

any

rest because of the radio, IV and press boys hounding him to

death. FERRIE said his phone rings from morning 'til night and

that he had talked to Sam DiPino from Channel 12 until the early

hours of the morning.

FERRIE said Sam was trying to con him,

but that he was too smart to fall for his line, and that all of

those people were "bastards". Just then the phone rang and it was

a reporter from the Times-Picayune, and he said that he would

positively not grant interviews

and that he was tired of all those

bastards calling him up. The reporter must have told him some-

thing, because he said that he was not calling him a bastard

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personally, but was referring to the

news media in general. He

then hung up the telephone.

FERRIE picked up the Picayune paper and said he wanted

to show us portions of the story that really disturbed him. He

said the newspapers can kill anybody when they want to, and that

it was never more evident than in the cases of CARLOS MARCELLO

and JIMMY HOFFA. FERRIE said the newspapers tried to frame both

of these guys. He then talked about the MARCELLO trial that he

was working on in 1963, and how the newspapers tried to crucify

MARCELLO. He said MARCELLO made asses out of all of them when

he was acquitted.

FERRIE said he wanted to know why we brought

MIGUEL TORRES back from Angola. He said that he knew what people

would do to get out of prison and he thought Garrison was trying

to frame-up by using MIGUEL TORRES. FERRIE said that if this

would happen, he would sue us and everybody. FERRIE said he had

been contacted by some big attorneys in Washington, D. C., and

they wanted to help him.

FERRIE also said he did not like the way Garrison was

answering questions put to him by newsmen and that Garrison

should make a definite statement and not say "No comment".

He

said the "No comment" stirs more shit than an hour's speech.

FERRIE said Garrison knew this and that he was obviously using

this for publicity. I assured him that Garrison was not trying

to frame anybody and that he was avoiding the press and he could

not say much less to the press than

"No comment". Then FERRIE

said he war.ted to talk to Garrison personally. We told him we

would try and arrange a meeting

in the near future.

FERRIE then began to curse JACK MARTIN and said MARTIN

started all of this stuff. FERRIE said MARTIN was jealous of him

because of his relationship with G. WRAY GILL and that MARTIN

was trying to ruin him (FERRIE). He said MARTIN is a screwball

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and should be locked up.

FERRIE then said Garrison had better be careful because

he knew that some people were trying to torpedo him; that he

knew of 3 people on a local level and a couple of people on a

national level who are trying to ruin him politically and are

trying to embarass him politically with this assassination

investigation. FERRIE

said he did not want to mention the names

of the local people, but Garrison should be smart enough to know

who they were. He then began to talk about FRANK KLEIN and he

inferred that this man was one of the local persons trying to

destroy Garrison.

However, when Ivon asked him if KLEIN was one

of the people he was referring to, FERRIE said that in time we

would find out.

FERRIE did say that Hoover was one of

the people

on a national level who was trying to destroy Garrison because

• Garrison has dared to criticize the Bureau and has the whole

country wondering if they are

smart

the Keystone Kops.

However, FERRIE said he was glad about this because as far as

he's concerned, all cops are bastards and that he has no use for

any of them.

FERRIE also said he had heard that some people in

Washington were talking about the investigation and that two days

before the story broke in the newspaper, some people were

saying

that Garrison would call a press conference Friday and give the

story to the press. FERRIE said he didn't want to give out any

names as he didn't want J. Edgar on his ass.too.

He then asked to speak to Garrison again because he

wanted. to see if he were serious about this whole thing,

I told

him that Garrison was more than serious and that we were checking

out all of our leads

and information. I then told FERRIE he

could tell me what he wanted to say and I would tell Garrison for

him. FERRIE said he wanted to talk to Garrison himself and look

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him in the face.

I then asked FERRIE to tell me where he was on

November 22, 1963 and how he had become so involved in this.

FERRIE said it was all on account of a trip he made to Houston,

Texas on the afternoon of the 22nd to ice skate. He said that

all he wanted to do was relax after the MARCELLO trial and he

just had the urge to

go ice skating. FERRIE said, that

as it

turned out, it was the worst trip that he had ever made in his

life. I asked FERRIE what he did in Houston. FERRIE said,

"Ice skate, what else." I said, "I don't know Dave. You tell

me. " FERRIE said that I was a newcomer around

the game and that

,my office knew more about the trip than he did. FERRIE

said,

"Ask your boss. He had me arrested when I got back into town.

I was booked as a fugitive from Texas and I have never been to

Texas." I asked him to tell me about the arrest as I didn't

believe we would arrest a man who was perfectly innocent. FERRIE

told me I had a lot to learn about life and that I was a

starry-

eyed kid right out of law school and I was still believing the

inscriptions on the courthouse walls. FERRIE said that after

a

while, when you get a little smarter, you'll see that this is a

stinking world and that what I told you at the airport is true.

I told FERRIE that what he said may be true, but that still

doesn't tell me about the arrest. FERRIE said, "All right, I'll

go through the spiel again for your benefit." FERRIE said that

after he had taken his trip to Texas, he and

BEAUBOUEF and COFFEY

stopped in Alexandria and he called. G. WRAY GILL. GILL told him

the police were looking for him and that they wanted to ask bim

some questions about the assassination.

He said that then the

drove

back to New Orleans and dropped BEAUBOUEF off at his

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apartment on Louisiana Avenue Parkway so that he could go up-

stairs and call some girls for them. He said that he and

COFFEY then went to the grocery store. He said that when he and

COFFEY were returning to the apartment he noticed a bunch of

cars around his apartment and a lot of people.

FERRIE said he

figured it was the police and so he went back to the store and

telephoned. FERRIE said some dumb ox answered the phone and

tried to suck him into a conversation, but he just hung up. He

said he then dropped COFFEY off and went to Hammond, Louisiana.

I asked him "Where in Hammond?" FERRIE said, "By a friend." I

asked him what friend and he burst out laughing and said, "I'll

say one thing for you, you sure try hard.". He then told me not

to try and investigate him because he could show me and my whole

office how to investigate. I didn't press the issue any further;

but later on he told me that he did not stay in a motel, but with

a friend who would remain anonymous.

"Besides", he said, "I've

got friends all over the world." I said that that was very

interesting, but that I wanted his opinion on one other small

matter. He asked, "What?" I said, "Dave, who shot the President?"

He said, "Well, that's an interesting question and I've got. my

own thoughts about it.". FERRIE then sent his friend into another

room to get an anatomy book and a pathology book and he pulled

out a sheet of paper and began to sketch on it. FERRIE drew a

sketch of the Texas School Depository and of the parade route

and of the area

in general. FERRIE said that before he would

definitely draw a conclusion, he would have to have more informa-

tion and facts. FERRIE then went into a long spiel about the

projectory of bullets in relation to height and distance.

said that different guns and shells have different projectories

and that bullets tend to drop as they are shot. FERRIE said the

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Warren Commission did not have enough pertinent

scientific infor-

mation to come to an objective conclusion. He said he did not

read the Warren Report, but what he had read proved to him that

the Commission did not know what they were doing.. FERRIE went

into a long

spiel about J.F.K.'s neck wound. In the course of

his lecture on anatomy and pathology, he named every bone in the

human body and every hard and soft muscle area. He talked exten-

sively about the dermis and epidermis. FERRIE said if the same

bullet that struck. J.F.K. in the back or neck eventually struck

Connelly, that Connelly or Kennedy had to be a contortionist. He

rattled off some more scientific information in regard to

bones, and skin, and how a bullet decreases in speed when it

strikes an

object. and how the same bullet could not have possibly

caused all that damage. FERRIE said that that question would

never be answered because the doctor who performed the tracheotomy

had 10 thumbs and left unanswered the most important question of

all time.

FERRIE then laughed and said that doctors are almost

as stupid as lawyers, but that lawyers are worse because they

are

always in your pocket.

I then said, "In other words Dave, you don't buy the

'one shot theory?'" FERRIE said he wasn't saying anything because

he didn't want J. Edgar on his tail, that he had enough with

Garrison to contend with. FERRIE said that in time he would work

the whole thing out and then laughingly said that he would contact

our office.

I noticed at this point that he was in very good spirits

and was laughing and joking and even commented that he's feeling

pretty good now and that he had had 3 cups of coffee already and

hadn't thrown up yet.

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FERRIE then received another phone call from STEVE

LITTLETON and his wife and joked with LITTLETON's wife about how

he knew that she had dated LEE HARVEY OSWALD and that he was

going to tell Garrison on her.

She must have told him that she

had seen his picture in the paper and he replied that he didn't

like it because it made him look unphotogenic.

She also must

have asked FERRIE if it was him that some people identified with

somebody or at some place and he said that the people are mistaken

or he had a common face. After he hung up the phone, we told him

we had to leave.

FERRIE said he had more to tell us about the

"one shot theory". We told him to save it for another day as it

was

dark already and we had to meet Garrison. I then asked him

if he would like

to tell me some more about his trip to Hammond

and he smiled and said "Go to hell".

I then asked if he stayed

with CLAY SHAW.

He said, "Who's CLAY SHAW?" I said, "All right,

if that doesn't ring a bell, how about CLAY BERTRAND?" He said,

"Who's CLAY BERTRAND?"

'I said, "CLAY BERTRAND and CLAY SHAW are

the same person.". He asked, "Who said that?" I said, "Dean

Andrews told us." He said, "Dean Andrews might tell you guys

anything. You know how Dean Andrews is."

FERRIE then started to

go into another lecture and we told him we had to go. He followed

us down the stairs and walked out on the sidewalk with

us.

FERRIE

asked Ivon to be sure and call him. Ivon assured him he would

and we left.

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Hagall gave larsts safo re following eso una do sald had a hand la

Dallas, bozà vorklay for an outfit called lovasent to Free Gabs, headed by

Tracy Barnes

1) Leopoldo

Caucastat, Herican 27-29 gears - 200 1hs - 5'10*

, black halt, hoauy butle, signa bo

2) irangel - sale, Caucasian - Cubaa or lesscaa - 38030, 180 1bs,

s0bln or 61, black hali, basel eyes

Photos in Jackson Square (1.0.) Al LiD talking to botto

Pertle alas inow bati.

Leos Ossald o dale, Gaucastau, ¿nexicas, Bale, 150 dbas 518 or 9°.

AlIve

an SapE 84 o7 15, 1963-

Not aldva after Sapto 19, 1963.

Hagell lett F.O. for bailo on Septenber 16, 1963.

FLOISE dO 2904 • DECO • MIAMI ATONIO

2o 1963 - Juna a Lodo a ReTErly Nilzon

3. 1963 - septo o Hasblagtos - Sept ZéRa scheduled.

MARINA'S Elle 1a San AntOnIO 1a April, 1963.

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1957 FES

12

pd

X-Nation-1-3-4-7

.. WUATZ NPR COLLECT NEW ORLEANS LA 23 1132P CST

TIME INC

2185

WUX ATLA

FOR: NATION GARRISON AND JFK PLOT JAKE 2 DAVID

FERRIE

FROM: DAVID SNYDER, TIME STRINGER IN NEW ORLEANS

CATLANDIA WANIS RERUNS

¿ BEN CATE ASKED ME TO SEND FULL PARTICULARS ON DAVID WILLIAM

FERRIE.

¿ MY FIRST CONTACT WITH FERRIE WAS A TELEPHONE CALL AT 5:30 P.M.

FRIDAY, FEB• 17, FOLLOWING THE APPEARANCE OF THE STATES-ITEM'S

_ INITIAL STORY ON THE GARRISON INVESTIGATION.

HE HAD READ THE STORY AND, HE SAID, WAS TIRED OF REMAINING

SILENT ON THE INVESTIGATION. HE FELI THAI HE WAS BEING PERSECUTED

BY THE DA'S OFFICE AND HE WAS AFRAID OF ARREST.

FERRIE'S VOICE WAS NASAL AND

ALMOST INAUDIBLE. HE SAID HE WAS

PHYSICALLY SICK. DURING OUR FIRST TELEPHONE CONVERSATION HIS

! BREATHING WAS UNSTEADY.

I ASKED FERRIE WHEN I COULD SEE HIM. HE TOLD ME TO MAKE IT

SOON BECAUSE HE MIGHT CHANGE HIS MIND ABOUT TALKING. I TOLD

HIM I WOULD BE AT HIS HOUSE BY 6 P.M.

:. I TALKED TO HIM FOUR AND A HALF HOURS FRIDAY NIGHT. HE CALLED

ME AT LEAST ONCE EVERY DAY AFTER THAI UNTIL HIS DEATH. HE WAS

~ EXTREMELY SICK, HE SAID, WITH ENCEPHALITIS. HE WAS SCARED TO

DEATH OF ARRESI BY THE DISTRICI ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND HE WAS

— BITTERLY CONVINCED THAT THERE WAS NO JUSTICE FOR HIM IN THIS

WORLD.

- THE MAN INVESTIGATED ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS BY THE DA'S

OFFICE IN CONNECTION WITH THE ASSASSINATION MET ME AT THE DOWNSTAIRS

ENTRANCE TO HIS APARIMENT AT 3330 LOUISIANA AVE. PKWY•

HIS STEPS WERE FEEBLE AS WE CLIMBED THE STAIRS TO THE SECOND

FLOOR. HE APOLOGIZED FOR THE SLOWNESS, SAYING THAI HE WAS SUFFERING

FROM ENCEPHALITIS, BUT ASSURED ME THAT IT WAS NOT CONTAGIOUS.

HE ALSO APOLOGIZED FOR THE CONDITION OF THE APARTMENT. HE SAID

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THE PLACE WAS BEING RENOVATED.

•THE LIVING ROOM WAS HEAVY WITH THE SMELL OF STALE CIGARETTES.

EVERY ASH TRAY WAS HEAPED WITH CIGARETTE BUITS.

FURNITURE, GREASY FROM SWEAT AND DIRT, RESTED ON A LITTERED,

THREAD-BARE CARPET. AN AMERICAN FLAG STOOD IN ONE CORNER. NEXT

IO IT WAS A TYPEWRITER IN A CASE.

DRO NICHOLAS CHETTA, ORLEANS PARISH CORONER, SAID TESTS SHOWED

THAT THE SUICIDE NOTE FOUND IN THE APARTMENT WAS TYPED ON IHE

TYPEWRITER.

IT IS MY THEORY THAT FERRIE HAD JUST ABOUT DECIDED ON SUICIDE

AT THE TINE HE CALLED ME FRIDAY. HE MAY HAVE HAD THE NOTE

WRITTEN. WHEN I TALKED TO HIM, ESPECIALLY ON THE PHONE, IT

SEEMS TO ME IN RESTROPECI THAT FERRIE JUST WANTED TO CLEAR

HIMSELF, THEN CASH IN.

BUT BY THE TIME WE HAD FINISHED OUR CONVERSATION, HE HAD PERKED

UP A LITILE. HE SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO FILE A SUIT THAT WOULD

ALLOW HIM TO SUBPOENA GARRISON AND EXPOSE THE HARASSMENT HE

(FERRIE > WAS GOING THROUGH. I ENCOURAGED HIM BECAUSE I THOUGHT

IT WOULD BE A GOOD STORY IF HE DID FILE A SUIT.

BY THE TIME I LEFT HIS APARTMENT HE WAS SAYING THAT HE WOULD

PREPARE A SUIT OVER THE WEEKEND TO FILE MONDAY.

HE CALLED SUNDAY TO SAY HE PLANNED TO GET TOGETHER WITH AN

ATTORNEY ON THE SUIT. HE SAID HE WAS FEELING BETTER AND SOUNDED

BETTER.

BY MONDAY HE WAS WORKING IN AN ATTORNEYS OFFICE, TRYING TO

GET THE SUIT TOGETHER.

THE TARGET OF THE SUIT WAS VAGUE, BUT

ONE OF THOSE SUED WOULD APPARENTLY BE JACK MARTIN, A NUT AND

A SELF STYLED PRIVATE DETECTIVE WHO, HE SAID, HAD SUPPLIED

GARRISON A LIST OF NAMES, BOTH IN 1963 AND LAST YEAR TO CHECK

OUT IN CONNECTION WITH THE ASSASSINATION. FERRIE'S NAME WAS

ON BOTH LISIS.

BY THIS TIME FERRIE WAS READING EVERY SCRAP ON THE GARRISON

PROBE AND TAKING ALMOST A HAPPY-GO-LUCKY ATTITUDE IOWARD THE

INVESTIGATION.

IT IS WELL KNOWN IN NEW ORLEANS THAT THERE IS A RIFT BETWEEN

THE FBI OFFICE AND THE DA'S OFFICE. FERRIE HAD BEEN DOWN IO

THE FBI OFFICE MONDAY, HE SAID, IO TALK IO THE AGENIS. ONE

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OF THE AGENIS TOLD HIM, "I KNOW WHERE YOU WERE THE DAY KENNEDY

WAS ASSASSINATED. YOU

WERE COOLING YOUR HEELS WITH ME IN FEDERAL

DISTRICI COURI." THIS IS MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER FILE.

.. FERRIE SAID THE FBI BOYS WERE CHUCKLING ABOUT THE GARRISON

INVESTIGATION.

- FERRIE ASKED ME IF I COULD FIND OUT EXACILY WHEN OSWALD WAS

IN NEW ORLEANS. HE SAID HE NEEDED THE INFORMATION FOR HIS SUIT•

•I LOOKED THE DATES UP IN A CONDENSATION OF THE WARREN REPORT

AND GAVE IT IO HIM. HE SAID HE WAS HAVING TROUBLE GETTING IHE

•SUIT TOGETHER, BUT IT WAS APPARENILY OCCUPING MOST OF HIS DAY.

HE TALKED TO MY WIFE ON TUESDAY. HE HAD A NEW THEORY ON IHE

- TRAJECTORY OF THE BULLEIS THAT ENTERED KENNEDY'S BODY. HE WANTED

TO TAKE ME TO A TOXOLOGY LAB TO SHOW ME WHAT HE WAS TALKING

- ABOUT WITH A CADAVER. HE ALSO COMPLAINED OF HEADACHES.

BY NOW HE HAD STOPPED ASKING ME IF I IHOUGHT HE WOULD BE ARRESTED.

• HE HAD BECOME ALMOST LIKE A SPECTATOR AS FAR AS THE GARRISON

INVESTIGATION WAS CONCERNED. HE OOZED GOOD-NATURED CONFIDENCE.

I TALKED TO HIM TUESDAY EVENING AND HE HAD BEEN WAICHING A

IV NEWS SHOW WITH INTEREST. HE WAS IN A GOOD MOOD. WEDNESDAY

- HE WAS DEAD.

THE CHANGE IN ATTITUDE OVER THE SPACE OF ALMOST A WEEK LEADS

• ME TO BELIEVE THAI HE WAS ATLOW EBB WHEN HE CALLED BUT HAD

DECIDED TO LIVE AND FIGHT BACK AFTER ALL. FOR THIS REASON,

¿ NATURAL DEATH IMMEDIATELY MADE MORE SENSE THAN SUICIDE.

HE LEFT A LONG NOTE, ONLY TWO PARAGRAPHS OF WHICH HAVE BEEN

¿ MADE PUBLIC. IT HAS BEEN DÉSCRIBED AS PHILOSOPHICAL IN NATURE.

THE CENTER OF THINGS IN FERRIE'S APARTMENT WAS A COFFEE IABLE

~ PLACED IN FRONI OF THE COUCH. IT HELD AN OVERLOADED ASHTRAY

AND A CLUSTER OF BOTTLES CONTAINING PILLS AND LIQUID MEDICINE.

- THE DA'S OFFICE SAID 15 BOTTLES OF MEDICINE WERE FOUND IN THE

APARTMENT. I WOULD SAY THERE WERE THAI MANY ON THE TABLE.

~ ON FRIDAY, AT LEAST, II WAS THE ROOM OF A MAN WHO HAD GIVEN UP.

FERRIE EITHER PROPPED HIMSELF AGAINST THE ARM OF THE SOFA OR

RECLINED FULL LENGTH AGAINST IWO SOILED PILLOWS AS HE RELATED

THE DETAILS OF TROUBLES THAT HAD REDUCED HIM FROM A

"MAN OF

MEANS" TO POVERTY.

IT IS A MATTER OF RECORD THAT FERRIE WAS ARRESTED IN 1961 ON

A MORALS CHARGE IN JEFFERSON PARISH WITH COMMITTING A CRIME

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- AGAINST NATURE AND INDECENT BEHAVIOR WITH JUVENILES.

NEW ORLEANS POLICE REPORTED FERRIE HAD AITEMPTED TO INTIMIDATE

ONE WITNESS, A 16 YEAR OLD BOY, WHO TOLD OFFICERS THAT HE SIGNED

A PAPER PROMISING NOT TO PREFER CHARGES AGAINST FERRIE.

OTHER YOUTHS TOLD POLICE FERRIE TOOK THEM ON AIRLINE FLIGHTS

TO HOUSTON AND CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS ON DIFFERENT OCCASIONS.

ONE BOY TOLD OFFICERS HE HAD FLOWN TO CUBA WITH FERRIE AND

ANOTHER REPORTED TO POLICE THAT FERRIE HAD ASKED HIM TO DRIVE

A CUBAN CITIZEN TO MIAMI.

FERRIE WAS NOT CONVICTED. ALL OF THE CHARGES WERE NOL PROSSED.

• BUT ABOUT THIS IIME FERRIE WAS BUMPED FROM THE PAYROLL OF EASTERN

AIRLINES WHERE HE HAD BEEN A RESPECTED PILOT.

• IN OUR CONVERSATION, FERRIE CONTENDED HE WAS FRAMED BY JEFFERSON

PARISH AUTHORITIES AND, IN FACT, AUTHORITIES TRIED TO SHAKE

: HIM DOWN FOR $5,000 TO DROP THE MATTER.

FERRIE WAS BITTER AT THE WORLD. HE SAID THE COURTS OFFERED

NO JUSTICE, THAI THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENI OFFERED NO PROTECTION IO CITIZENS

FROM TIME TO TIME HE BROKE INTO AN ALMOST NON-STOP NARRATIVE

OF HIS TROUBLES TO LASH OUT AT THE LAW, AT JUSTICE AND IHE NEWS MEDIA.

HIS HEAD COVERED WITH A WIG THAI WAS A RUSTY SHADE OF RED,

HIS SHOES OFF, AND A CIGARETTE OR CUP OF COFFEE CONSTANTLY

IN HIS HAND, FERRIE TALKED ON AND ON.

ONCE HE QUESTIONED THE WARREN COMMISSION REPORT ON THE TRAJECTORY

OF THE BULLETS THAT CRASHED INTO KENNEDY'S BODY.

HE DRAGGED BOOKS ON ANATOMY AND PHYSIOLOGY FROM A BACK ROOM

AND LAUNCHED.

INTO A MEDICAL DISSERTATION ON THE ASSASSINATION.

HE SEEMED IO KNOW THE HUMAN BODY LIKE HIS LIVING ROOM. AND

YOU CAUGHT FLASHES OF BRILLIANCE AS HE EXPOUNDED ON HIS THEORIES.

IT WAS BECAUSE OF HIS KNOWLEDGE OF SCIENCE THAT HE HAD BECOME

A PARI-TIME INVESTIGATOR. "FERRIE IS A PILOI," HE IOLD ME,

"BUT IN K COMPLEX CASES INVOLVING SCIENCE

SEVERAL ATTORNEYS

HAVE FOUND IT ADVANTAGEOUS TO HAVE ME INVESTIGATE FOR IHEM."

HE WORKED FOR TOP ATTORNEYS IN TOWN, SUCH AS G. WRAY GILL,

DEFENSE LAWYER FOR MAFIA CHARACTER CARLOS MARCELLO.

WHAT EVER ELSE HE WAS, FERRIE WAS RESPECIED AS AN INVESIIGAIOR

AND A PILOT. HE WAS CONSIDERED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE AROUND TOWN

AS TOPS AS A FLYER AND AN INSTRUCTOR.

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.. FERRIE WOULD HAVE BEEN

49-YEARS-OLD IN MARCH.

THE REASON FOR THE TEXAS TRIP ON THE DAY KENNEDY WAS SHOI,

- SAID FFERRIE, WAS A SPUR OF THE MOMENT THING.

"ONE GUY REMEMBERED THERE WAS AN ICE SKATING RINK IN HOUSTON

SO WE DECIDED TO GO SKATING."

THIS VERSION IS DISPUTED BY ONE OF THE TWO PERSONS WHO WENT

WITH FERRIE. HE SAID THE TRIP WAS PLANNED FOR A WEEK AND NO

HUNTING EQUIPMENT WAS TAKEN WAS FERRIE'S CLAIM.

FERRIE'S MIND DWELLED. ON ARREST. HE SAID SEVERAL TIMES HE WANTED

ME TO ARRANGE A LIE DETECTOR TEST FOR HIM IN CASE HE WAS HAULED

- IN.

ASKED FERRIE IF HE THOUGHT THE GARRISON INVESTIGATION WAS

A PHONY.

"WHY CERTAINLY," HE SAID. "HOW COULD II BE ANYTHING ELSE."

AGAIN, HE SAID, "MY ASSESSMENT OF OSWALD IS SUCH THAT HE WOULD

BE INCAPABLE OF CONSPIRING BECAUSE HE WOULD BE INCAPABLE OF

ANY INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIP." ESPECIALLY IN ANY THING AS

DELICATE AS A CONSPIRACY TO KILL. ONLY A NUT WOULD BE A CO-CONSPIRATOR

BECAUSE HE WAS SO ERRATIC."

OF THE INVESTIGATION, FERRIE SAID, "PSYCHOLOGICALLY, I THINK

• ITS AN UTIER WASTE OF TIME."

I UNDERSTAND THAI TONIGHT TELEVISION CARRIED A STORY QUOTARING

_ A DOCTOR WHO TREATED FERRIE AS SAYING IHAT FERRIE HAD BEEN

EXTREMELY SICK THREE WEEKS BEFORE HE CALLED THE PAPER.

- THE DOCTOR SAID FERRIE DECIDED TO CALL ME AT THE NEWSPAPER

• BECAUSE HIS FRIENDS HAD STOPPED CALLING HIM. WHEN HE CALLED

- TO FIND OUT WHY, THEY TOLD HIM THE DA HAD BEEN TALKING TO THEM.

THIS WAS APPARENTLY THE LAST STRAW.

- TV ALSO QUOTES THE DOCTOR AS BEING TOLD BY FERRIE THAI HE WANTED

TO FILE $5 MILLION LAW SUIT AGAINST GARRISON.

- FERRIE TOLD ME THE SUIT WOULD BE AGAINST JACK MARTIN, WHOM

HE SAID STARTED EVERYTHING, AND UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL

FOR SOMETHING THEY HAD CARRIED • I AM VAGUE ON IHIS POINT.

ONE MORE POINT, FERRIE WAS LISTED IN THE CITY DIRECIORY AS

~ A "PSYCHOLOGIST". REGARDS

DAVID SNYDER

- 912A...0

RWUATZ RERUN OF FEB 24 1967 CS/913A..

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LIFE

1120 CONNECTICUT AVENUE. N. W.

WASHINGTON. D. C. 20038

FEDERAL 7-8000

5/8

to: billings, haskell

Im: angeloff, washington

the army was able to confirm only the barest outline of what you &

already know about ferrie's military background. but it is hard confirmation.

he enlisted in the Enlisted Army Reserve Corps on the 13th of april, 1950.

he gave his birthdate as march 28, 1918, and was given seriel number

ER 15 296 049. he was on active duty (fort unknown) from august 6

until august 20, and from august 28 until november 25, all in 1950.

(that break apparently was some sort of leave.) he was discharged

sor on april 17, 1953., in new orleans.

sorry it's so skimpy, but arny says that's all it has, since reserve

records from that time are notnot kept in the pentigon, and no one

really seems to know where they are kept.

regards,

angel

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dile

Feb.

Mento :

21,196?

to billings from chandler

Herewith two pickup photos of arcacho- Smith plus coNidaNial report

LEAH

on conversation Fith B.

Have unofficial okay, to copy photos or part

of photos and official arrangements on use, payment or credit wasnt

discussed. Request sconest return of photos to me air mail special

delivery.

had lunch this afternoon with & and her husband at

Emerald soor

ILATER

restaurant. She sez two nights ago she received call

MEt

mate man

who identified himself and said her husband had once done hin large

favor. Informer said under no circumstances nants his name revealed

and sie didnt tell re.

Informant says in 1959 through 1961 he memb I Of CAP EraD here al

menber of herine Reserve unit based

Callender Field (a in

reserve air station in Plaquemines Pärish 20 miles fron New Orleans.

Informant is electronics technician who, has severel federal contracts,

Says in 1959 he, because of CAP connection end clectronia traini g,

approached by terrie who he new rey an Arcacho. They asked if he

riculd help in training snot inti-vastro guerillas being traired by

Ferrie and arcacho in an abandoned portion of tien Callendar with

live amunition and M-ls and other military ordnance. Informant declin

because of his government contracts but agreed to act as "repository

Information" for ferrie and arcacho in case they evur get intn trouble

and needed someone to testify to their activities. Because of that

relationshi? he was kept well posted.

He says revolutioneries tax operated at field under guise re beir

CAP Eroup, which

they werent.. His Merine Reserve unit at one time fas

asked to help train this group and he personally coserved ferrie and

Araacho giving rifle treining to group of 20 or so men.. (more)

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pege two

it the tire ferrie and Arcacho were also employed by u.s. inmie-

ration to be

present anytime groups of cuben refusees arrived inven

Orleens end identify known conmunists. (FYI: R saià States-Iter re-

porter and line stringer David Snyder asked Ferrie abrut working for

immigration and terrie said nol. Irwever, says informant, every tire

refugee froup was due to arrive, arcacho would be dalled on preteit by

New Orleans police and ferrie round be jailed by efferson perish polis

--where Ferrie resided then. They thus were prevented from identifyin

incoming Cubans. Inofrmant believes Orleans harassrent directed by &

then distriut attorney RICHARD LOWLING and Jeff harassment directed by

then Sheriff JACK FITZOSRAID (MI: both hid surong larcello ties)al

Informant says Jefferson trial of ferric was a frame. Doesnt know

why.

LIaR's presence,

informant phoned one JIM MARSH who also knows

Ferrie and belonged his CAP group and larsh claimed derrie had flown

Oswald to Cuba in 1959 in a Stinson.

(FYI: There is some rumor in tow

about Ferrie going to Cuba in a stinson either alone or with other

peopledg. Gonzales and I were told this on visit to Vestrego airport

but couldnt get other details).

Informant also phoned one MIke fInlaY ho also CAP gray member anc

informant asked Finney, fill "Dave (ferrie) didnt knew

Oswald, did

he ?" Finney replied, "Yes, sure.

And so did I." Informant said

these persons were amorg those being trained as revolutionaries:

IVY RODRIGUEZ JR., who informant says very close to Arcachr

and should have key information.

JOEY JOENSION (OLeGIO) noT assnelated rita tulara univer-

sity

and close to ferrie. address is 1503 Thoras and ione 361-5563.

LAYTO hiRIIiS (diertenes

? fo netic).

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page three.

1959-61

Informant says in this priod ferrie vent to Guy Bannister to

see if could get harassment stopped and Bannister shored Ferrie and

informant letter from House Un-american

ete saying then dA DOLING

vas under investigation for communist ties. On behalf of ferrie, in-

formant also talked to FBI locally in attempt to ease herassment ara

vias referred to Washington. He was

told by someone

in Hoover'e office:

"You had better not get involved in this thing and tellyour friends

they'1l be better off out of lew Orleans." he called Justice Depart-

ment shortly thereafter and was told same thing in almost identidal

words.

tie had impression Justice Department had been briefed on him

by the bureau. He took the advice and stopped all intimate assoç-

¡ation with Ferrie and doesnt know what happened to Ferrie, Açacho or

Cubans thereäfter.

Informant also said he was told in this period by ferrie and ar-

cacho that the illegal Jefferson gambling casino BEVERLY CLUB WaS

joinely owned by larcello and Batista (whom he assumed to be the

ex-

dictator...

Said he didnt know why Dowling and Fitzgerald were har_

assing f and A but felt either they had been bought off or were being

used.

Informant believes ORLANDO PINDRA of llard knous details of marcell

-Satista-Severly Club arrangement. Piedra,

as you know, was

former

Batista police chief.

ie come! Orleans 1961 or thereabouts and bought

house on lakefront.

BILL STUCKEY did States-Item story on him at

time showing

documents pertaining to Raul and Fidel which Fledra had

stolen

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"R says person who can locate Piedra is DR. JORGE GARCIA NONIEZ,

520 Gerona, Coral Gables. Another of l's contacts

says

Garcia-"ontez

has

information about Oswald heretofore unknown.

says Acecho Worked for both FULGENCIA BATISTA AND FIDEL CASIRO.

Other InfOS frOM In Perly of felly coffee company caned employero

Is husband (both are members city crite

commission)end said wanted to

see urgently red Garrison. & puzzled about why and I told her i dont

know but maybe reily just jittery since Oswald once worked for him.

_ Ereker anonymous caller tolaR that Gara son 1s seeking MANUEL

QUESADA for questioning.

---R hasbeen advised to contact ANDRAS PINEA (fonetic) patron of

Los Americas bar here and former Batista policeman for info on ferrie-

Acacho, maybe Oswald

-R and her husband both have suspicion electronics informant may

be goverrment agent (U.S. government).

-R says she told by Cubän woman here naced CARNIGLIA that Garriso

asked her for address of a Cuban priest named FACHER TErES (foretic)

in Houston.

Testes arriving reb. 25 end 1s sked meet with Garrison.

R says she wiling contInue feed me information.

What she and

John wilds want in return is my help see that States-Item not embaras-

sedly scooped, particularly by local television. Said they understan

my committment to life but just dont want be locally embarassed. I tol

R I thought I could do that with understanding I must be protected and

with proviso that AT ANY TIME I MIGHI BE CUT OFF FROM INFORMATION. The:

uninterested in getting la specific leads from me and newspaper 1s

quitting story until locks like Garrison doing something. (more)

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This agreement was more implied than spelled out in vords and, of

course, leaves you

and the magazine the option of cutting me off from

Infornation when and 1f it becomes necessary. R said she and Wilds

originally intended give foregoing infornation to Garrison but his

duct changed their

mind. It is my opinion that she and "ilds gave me

the information so that later they will feel justified in asking me

what

what I did with it and xia their leads developed. I assure this is

their motive since I cant see any other.

On another matter, CLAY SHAW's mother has a house in hammond.

listed under the

-Bage G.Li SHAlio

It is

PIS. PERSHiNG

HAS BEEN IMPORTANA

SOURCE

FOR R AS, ID LESSER

DEGREE,

JUDGE FRANK

SHEA

choudle,

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Deo. 7,1966

DISPE

22

Dear wiok,

Herewitn a

sugustion conoerning telegision ads. But before getting

Into that, I have a story to tell you which may be no more than 1n-

teresting g0B81P, e

But 11 bile plans to do more on the assass-

Ination, 1t might be worth filing..

LA New OrlEanE detentive 12 yeara on the forde, college education

says Oswald was co neoted muth dilth a wierdo pilot here who kept a

gun arsenal, fake passports and a library on poste hypnotio suggestio

The detective headed a team which two nighte after Oswald'e oapture

raided the uptown New Orleans apartment of DAVID PURRIL, at the time

suspended pilot for wastern Air lines •

Ferrie had been under suspension six months, had no visible incom

and was awaiting trial on homosexual charges. they polioe hit his pe

after they learned from newspaper accounts Uswald had been a member c

the New Orleans o1v11 air patrol. Ferrie, until his airline suspened

was commander of Ugwald's small CAP group. (Oswald was a member in hi

teens out the deteotive says ferrie indioated he knew Oswald during

his 1963 residence here. The police had been watohing ferrie for

other reasons, but remembered the Ap conneation.

Shey raided the pad and found ferrie absent but two 17-yeur-old

high shool boys there. The boys had in their possession visa appli

atione for South america and when questioned handed poliod a oard

bearing the name of JACK WASSERVAN, Washington D.C., attorney for

racketeer CARLOS MARCILLO. Polloe did so and wasserman arranged Pol

their parole.

A MARTIAL

ano boye told their parents they were members of py anti-Castro

roup organized by FERRIl. They were aworn to seoray and oould say

nO MOIB.

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three

Second, where aid ferrie get his mc

but he'd been flying to l'exas, paying i

Third, why does an apparently minor

with Wasserman and, by impdication, Nai

organized crime ?

Ferrie's lake pass]

quasi-guerilla organization

mandit most.

high school boys. but the wasserman-Me

thing more sinister•

Fourth, what influence, 1f any, did

as a juvenile or an adult?

us testier

PiS. I dout see the

waith much in itsel'

names Ferrie Wasseri

arise in other connec

anyway, it's good

(a enclosures: ;

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MEMORANDUM

LANDRY

FERRIE

2'3

March 28, 1967

TO:

FROM:

RE:

JIM GARRISON, DISTRICT ATTORNEY

ANDREW J. SCIAMBRA, ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY

INTERVIEW WITH

AL LANDRY

MARCH 23, 1967

MR. LANDRY was born January 13, 1945, and is now 22

years old.

He stated to me that he first met FERRIE when he was

a member of the Lakefront c.A.P.

He said this was around late

1958 or early '59. He said BATISTA was still in power in Cuba

so he imagines it must have been late 1958. He says he was

fourteen years old when he joined the C.A.P. and lived at 5221

Arts Street.

He said that he first met FERRIE about four months

after he had joined the Lakefront C.A.P.

The C.A.P. use to hold

meetings at the Lakefront on Friday night and Sunday afternoon

on a weekly basis. He said that it was at these meetings that

he met FERRIE. He said that sometime in 1959 after CASTRO had

taken over in Cuba, DAVE FERRIE disappeared for about seven to

nine weeks and the next time he saw him on a Sunday afternoon

was at the C.A.P. meeting when FERRIE came to the meeting

with

AL CHERAMIE in FERRIE's 1953 tan Ford. CHERAMIE was driving the

car as FERRIE could not move around as he was apparently injured.

CHERAMIE got out of the automobile and started moving all FERRIE's

papers and files from the C.A.P. building and began putting them

in FERRIE's automobile. It seems that FERRIE had had some mis-

understanding with COLONEL MORRELI and PAT PRINZis mother and as

these two people sort.of ran the Lakefront C.A.P.. it appeared

that they had asked FERRIE to resign.

FERRIE did resign from the

Lakefront C.A.P. and formed his own C.A.P. group and called them

the Falcons.

He did this about five months after he had resigned

from Lakefront.

This group actually came into existance in late

1959.

It was shortly at this time that LANDRY said he ran away

from home which dated back to early 1960.

LANDRY said that

approximately one year later while FERRIE was living at 331

Atherton Drive, FERRIE told him about the incident that occurred

to him when he had disappeared for about seven to nine weeks.

FERRIE mentioned this after he had had a lively discusion with

LANDRY with regard to his views concerning the Cuban situation

that he and

ARCACHA SMITH and some other Cuban friends would

liberate Cuba

from CASTRO. LANDRY told him that he had no idea

that FERRIE could liberate Cuba and that he questioned his ability

to do so.

FERRIE at this time told him of the incident which had

occurred when he was away from the city for about seven to nine

weeks.

FERRIE said that a couple of weeks prior to the time when

LANDRY had seen him in the car with CHERAMIE at the airport

removing his equipment, he and several other Cubans had been to

Cuba in an effort to help Cubans escape from CASTRO's prison.

FERRIE told him that

during one of these visits to Cuba he ran

in to some trouble and was attacked by a CASTRO soldier and was

stabbed in the stomach. He showed LANDRY a scar across his stomach

approximately ten to fifteen inches long which he said resulted

fron the stab wound.

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FERRIE at this time told him that he was working for

the C.I.A. rescuing Cubans out of CASIRO's prison in cuba..

He

said that he was called down to Miami and stayed there for

approximately one week in a hotel before he was contacted by the

C.I.A. men in Miami.

He said that he attributed the delay in

being contacted to the fact that the C.I.A. wanted to test him to

see if he was the type of person who told his business to any-

body on the street.

He said that a woman from the C.I.A. was

sent to his apartment and tried to get information from him about

his activities with the C.I.A. but that he did not tell her any-

thing and it was after this test that he was actually contacted

by the c.I.A. people in Miami.

He said that shortly thereafter

he and about nine Cubans flew down to a point close to Cuba

and

they then got on rubber rafts and went into Cuba and rescued some

prisoners out of the prison camps. He said it was during this

incident that he was stabbed.

The soldier who stabbed him was

killed by

some of the people in his party and they carried him to

safety with them.

LANDRY says that he can recall that during

his relationship with FERRIE, FERRIE received long distance calls

from Miami and Cleveland, Ohio. FERRIE also told him that ARCACHA

SMITH was the third man in line in the Cuban Hierarchy when Cuba

would be liberated.

The No. 1 man lived in Miami. LANDRY said

that he can recall that at one time the No. 1 man whose name he

can't remember at the moment was supposed to make a trip down

to New. Orleans to see how the Cuban Revolutionary Front was

making out, and the plane he was to come on was highjacked and

taken to Cuba. He said that FERRIE then asked him if he would

like to make a trip down to Miami to pick up the No. 1 man and

fly him down to New Orleans in a private plane.

LANDRY told him

that he would go with him but FERRIE never did mention anything

more to him about this.

LANDRY said that FERRIE often told him

that when Cuba would be liberated from CASTRO, he would be a very

big man in Cuba and hé wanted AL LANDRY to go

and live with him

in Cuba.

He said that they would live like kings because the

people would always look at them as their savior. FERRIE said

that there were three branches working for the liberation of

Cuba, one in Miami, one in New Orleans, and one in Texas.

LANDRY said that after the Bay of Pigs FERRIE became

annoyed with the C.I.A. and often belittled the caliA. and

President Kennedy..

He said the C.I.A. and President Kennedy had

screwed the whole invasionup, and that they had betrayed the

Cuban people by refusing to send the air support that was prom-

ised.

LANDRY said that FERRIE had a blackboard in his apartment

and he often drew own his blackboard the actual plans for the

invasion of Cuba explaining what the Cubans were supposed to do

and

at what point the C.I.A. was supposed to send the air support.

LANDRY said he talked as if he knew all about the battle plans

and the invasion.

FERRIE told him of how the boats got in touch

with the C.I.A. and requested the air support and the C.I.A. had

KENNEDY on the hot line and how KENNEDY was supposed to give the

okay for the air support, but he said that KENNEDY and the C.I.A.

did not intervene like they said they would. The Cubans were

promised by the C.I.A. that when the time was right after some

troops had already gotten on the island they would furnish the

air support.

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LANDRY said that he can remember going to ARCACHA

SMITH's house on the Lakefront somewhere with FERRIE and some

other people and watched actual films of the invasion.

said that he joined the service in June of 1962

and came out in June of 1966. He said that he had no contact

with FERRIE during the time he was in the service and actually

had not seen him for a few months before he had joined the

service.

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MEMORANZUM

April 14, 1967

TO:

FROM:

RE:

JIM GARRISON, DISTRICT ATTORNEY

JIM ALCOCK,

EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY

LAWRENCE FOX

3626 Dante Street

New Orleans,: La.

482-7301

On Friday, April 14, 1967, I along with Kent Simms of

our staff interviewed MR. FOX. MR. FOX is presently employed

by Hauser-American Printing Company at 44i Gravier Street in the

city of New Orleans.

LAWRENCE FOX was a C.A.P. cadet from

approximately November 1955, until March 1957. His unit was

located at the New Orleans Airport.

During this time, he does

not recall ever having met LEE HARVEY OSWALD. From March 1957

through December 14, 1959, FOX was a member of the armed services

United States Air Force.

In the latter part of December 1960, he

again joined the Civil Air Patrol as a senior member.

He remained

a member of the C.A.P. until approximately October 1960. During

this time, he was the administrative assistant to DAVID W. FERRIE

who was the commanding officer of the unit.

FOX recalls having

gone to FERRIE's house in Jefferson Parish on a few occasions.

The times that he was at FERRIE's house were usually at a party

given among the C.A.P. members.

As he recalls, some of the members

of the squadron at this time were AL MIESTER, CARL COSTA, and

LAYTON MARTENS

During the summer of 1961 LAWRENCE FOX solicited funds

for the Crusade to Free Cuba.

As a result of this work, he was

introduced by DAVE FERRIE to SERGIO ARCACHA SMITH. Also active

at this time with ARCACHA and FERRIE WaS LAYTON MARTENS.

In

fact, FOX and MARTENS on several occasions went out soliciting

funds together.

On about two occasions, FOX and FERRIE went to

the International Trade Mart to solicit

funds.

However, FOX

does not recall what office they went to in the Trade Mart.

He

does recall that it was necessary for them to take an elevator

to get to the office.

On none of these occasions did FOX meet

CLAY L. SHAW.

However, FOX seems to recall having met CLAY SHAW

briefly in the year 1955.

The occasion for this meeting was the

Inter-American Investment Conference.

LAWRENCE FOX's mother. was

MR. NUTTER's secretary. LAWRENCE believes MR. NUTTER was the

•President of International House at that time.

FOX does not recall having been in FERRIE's Louisiana

Avenue Parkway apartment in the year 1963.

He does not know

PERRY RUSSO, NILS PETERSON, KENNY CARTER OL SANDRA MOFFETT. FOX

recalls that a girl by the name of Carolyn Taylor, a C.A.P. cadet,

did some typing in the summer of 1961 for the Crusade to Free

cuba.

FOX will attempt to locate any .C.A.p.. records he has and

should he find any, will call us and make them available.

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January 19, 1967

fame

TO:

FROM :

RE:

JIM GARRISON, DISTRICT ATTORNEY

INVESTIGATOR LYNN LOISEL

TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH AGENT #1

Agent #1 called Lynn Loisel and told him that Dave

Ferrie and he had gone to an apartment off the Veterans Highway

to look at some dirty films last night; that this apartment was

in one of Carlos Marcello's apartment houses and the apartment

was 18N but he didn't know the address. He said there were about

15 people present and he believed that the operator of the show

is a Cuban named "Carlos". Agent #l also stated that there were

3 colored girls whose names were Schwanda, Margaret and Barbara.

He said that Margaret has been with Dave since 1962 and that she

knows plenty of his

associates. Schwanda and Barbara haven't been

around that long, and that Margaret was Dave's favorite. He said

that Dave had asked him (Agent #1) to burglarize this clerk's

house because he felt like he could make some "easy money". He

also said that this clerk always had $1,000 on him and knows he

must keep

the airport Monday, and Dave would get his license plate number,

check it out and find out where the clerk lives, then they would

burglarize the house with Dave acting as the lookout man and

Dave going in.

Agent #1 also said that Ferrie put money in the

N.B.C. bank yesterday. Agent #1 said he doasn't know where Ferrie

gets

the money from because Ferrie only makes living expenses by

teaching student fliers at the airport.

Agent #I said Dave was carrying a rifle in his car

and he said he was going to shoot one of those kids that

burglarized his apartment. Loisel asked him when the apartment

was burglarized and what was taken, and agent #1 said it was

burglarized a few days ago and two reels of dirty film, a letter

and some pictures of Dave screwing the nigger girl Margaret and

a picture of Frank Woodruff in an army camp standing naked jerking

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Later on this date Agent #I called me back. (Loisel)

and told me that a Cuban was out talking to Dave a few minutes

ago (approximately 3:00 P.M.) and he was sure that Dave called

the Cuban "Carlos". He said he didn't believe that this was the

same Carlos who had shown the film last night.

Agent #1 also said that Dave Ferrie told him that the

clerk would be at the airport Saturday and that Agent #I was to

burglarize the Clerk's house maybe Saturday night but that he

would go by himself and would burglarize the house when everybody

was sleeping. Loisel asked Agent #1 why Dave decided that he was

not going to go with Agent #1 and Agent #1 said that from here on

out I am going to leave the burglaries to you, that will be your

department. Agent #1 said that he would call back tomorrow to

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MEMORANEUM

July 12, 1967

TO:

FROM:

RE:

JIM GARRISON, District. Attorney

ROBERT E. LEE, Assistant District Attorney

DAVID W. FERRIE

DAVID FERRIE was a pilot with Eastern Airlines in 1959.

I was employed with Eastern Airlines while studying at Tulane

in undergraduate school and completing my law studies at Tulane.

During the course of my employment as a flight purser

with Eastern, I had on occasion been a member of the

same flight

crew with DAVID W. FERRIE.

After graduation from Tulane Law School, I continued

to fly with Eastern, mostly at night, and practiced law out of

my office on Veterans Highway in Metairie on a full time basis.

I opened my law office in August of 1960. My second

FERRIE had purchased

some

stock in a close corporation whose headquarters were located in

Honduras. In addition to buying this stock, he had flown down

to Honduras to look into a "Kahunie Nut" venture. Simply it was

this --:

"The Kahunie Nut has a juice which when squeezed out and

mixed with a certain compound will harden into a mass as strong

as iron, and of course, rust proof and will endure

There are only two machines available built to squeeze the juice

from the Kahunie Nut--one is in Chicago and one is in Belize,

Honduras. The owner of the machine in Chicago won't exhibit

sell his

machine since he is preparing to move his equipment to

Honduras to start production.

Incidentally, there is only one

area in the world where the Kahunie Nut grows,

in the jungles of

Honduras.

So that if FERRIE acts fast, he and the corporation

can lease all the land growing Kahunie Nuts. However, the

corporation, l.e:, the president and his wife and FERRIE, have to

buy the only remaining machine--the one hidden in the jungles of

Honduras.

I don't remember the president's name but he knows

where the machine is, but he must give $2,000 to an official of the

Honduran Government and

in return the official, who also knows

where the machine is, will issue an exclusive work permit to

harvest and manufacture "Kahunie Nut Juice."

FERRIE purchased $4,500 of stock and gave the president

of the corporation $2,000 for the machine. Neither FERRIE's

money nor the machine ever got together, and FERRIE came to me.

My last occasion with DAVE FERRIE in my office was

when he told

me that he wanted to adopt a

seventeen year old boy

by the name of CHERAMIE. I advised him that I would charge him

$75.00 and would begin to research and to call me back in a week

or so. About three days later he came to the office extremely

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agitated.

CHERAMIE had joined the Marine Corps and FERRIE

wanted him out and he was prepared to pay any amount. I patiently

explained that the Marine Corps would not discharge except for

medical reasons or moral turpitude.

FERRIE seized on the moral

turpitude and asked me to explain exactly what it meant.

telling him that moral turpitude included homosexual offenses,

he cut me off abruptly and excitedly exclaiming,

that's it, that's

it.

FERRIE told me that he and CHERAMIE had had homosexual

relations.

I told FERRIE that I didn't believe him and further,

that the Marine Corps would insist that a drastic admission such

as this be

in writing.

FERRIE immediately pulled my typewriter to him and typed

three single spaced pages giving dates, etc.

When he was finished,

he triumphantly thrust the document towards me with a smirk on

his face. I read it once, tore it in three pieces and pulled him

to the door and shoved him out.

I told him I didn't want him in

the office again and that he owed me $75.00 for my trouble and

to mail it to my office.

On the few occasions that I was a crew member on

FERRIE'S

flights, he was captain.

We flew to Houston, Corpus

Christie and Brownsville with stops between New Orleans and

Houston, Baton Rouge, Lafayette, New Iberia, Lake Charles,

Beaumont, Port Arthur, thence to Houston, Corpus Christie,

Brownsville and back the same way the same day.

As a rule, the

flight would have

about a thirty minute hangover between stops

for passenger deplaning, baggage, cargo handling, etc.

During

this period of time, the captain would go into the station

manager's operations office and check the weather ahead, fuel

requirements, etc.

The last year I flew off and on as a crew

member with FERRIE was 1962. FERRIE never got out of the cockpit

from the minute we took off from New Orleans at 11:40 A. M.

until we returned at midnight.

Ordinarilly the captain at the

end

of the trip would stop in operations if for nother reason

than to stow his flight bag until his next trip.

went through operations while starting the flight or ending the

trip, the times I was part of his crew.

I casually asked him about this, in Houston once and

he told me that his life was in danger,

that the Communists were

out to get him.

He did, in fact, appear very disturbed on

every occasion.

When I knew him in the beginning he was very

talkative and cheerful.

But when I saw him in 1962, he was grim,

to say the least, and totally unresponsive to his fellow pilots

or crew members.

I think I was the only one he really talked to

and then only because I was an attorney.

I can remember occasions in 1961 and 1962 when FERRIE

would stop by the office unexpectedly usually on saturday

afternoons when my office building was deserted.

On these visits

he began to tell me something of his extracurricular activities

but only after inspecting my office for bugging equipment and

These activities

ISLe Of Pines. He would make these trips via Tampa and one of

the Keys and then on to Cuba. He also mentioned training Cuban

Guerrillas.

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In 1961 or 1962 the chief pilot for Eastern in New

Orleans asked me, in my capacity as

an attorney, to check into a

report that FERRIE had stolen an ancient 2,000 year old crucifix

•from a Greek Orthodox Church either in Louisville, Kentucky, or

Knoxville, Tennessee, I'm not sure.

I believe the Jefferson

Parish authorities can give us the necessary information in this

matter. It seems to me that FERRIE and others ransomed this

crucifix.

The figure $20,000 comes to mind.

The last time I saw or heard of DAVID W. FERRIE was in

1962.

ROBERT

E. LEE

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FACTUAL BACKCROUND FOR REASONS STATED

IN DISCHANCE,

OF CAFTAIN FERRIE

A.

During 1961 and 1962 the following criminal charges were brought against

Captain Ferrie in Orleans and Jefferson Farish, based on sworn affidavits

of complaining witnesses:

Ordeans

1. 173-891 - Extortion - Nolle Prosequied, January 4, 1963

2. 171-957 - Public Intimidation of State Witness - Nolle Prosequied,

January 4, 1963

69058 and 68057 -Crine Against fature S Prosequied,

Novemker 5, 1962

Jefferson

1. 10304, 10305, 10306,

10307 - Indecent Behavior With a Juvenile

and Contributing to the Dalincuency of a Minor, all

Nolle Prosequied, November 5, 1962

2 20308 - Not Culty, Fobnuary 23, 296: (Lars cHp

3. 20452 and 10483 - Gharges Unhown - Nolle Prosequied, November 5, 1962

Bo

The following information, which should have been

revealed in the application

for employment or on the pre-employment physical examination form, was discovered

during the investigation conducted as a result of the above criminal charges.

1.

2.

3.

In November 1944 the St. Charles Seminary refused to alLOw

Ferrie to continue in the Seminary because of his emotiona.

instability. CF. BisHoP

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MARLING

Thereafter, Ferrie was treated for his mental problems by

De. A. K. Cardner and Dr. Wilford Gill of Cleveland, Onio.

After the above treatment, Ferrie reapplied at St. Charles

Seminary, but was refused admittance.

Over a period of years

Ferrie has attempted to gain admittance to other seminaries but

has been refused on the basis of his record at St. Charles.

40

5.

Frior

to applying at Eastern, Ferrie had been employed at Rocky

River High School.

In 1941 Ferrie suffered severely from asthma and hay fever, which

he controlled by administering shots to himseli.

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Interview of pavid Ferrig)by John Volz at the District Attorney's

office at approximately 10:00 a.m. on Thursday, December 15,

1966

VOLZ:

were you acquainted with Oswald?

FERRIE:

To my knowledge, no. I was told and I believe but I

am not sure, 3 years ago, I believe it was a Mr. Wall from the

FBI who told me I think, I met Oswald.

Something is telling me

at the moment, roughly at the age of 15.

vOLZ:

Oswald was 15?

FERRIE: Right. I have no way of estimating this. This was

told to me third, fourth, fifth-hand. when the assassination

of Kennedy took place a picture of Oswald was supposed to have

been on television

and a young fellow whose name i don't

recollect,

and the only hook I have is that his uncle runs a florist shop

somewhere out on Canal Street, recognized the Oswald face on the

TV presentation.

He then calls one of the stations, WDSU or WWL,

and says that he recognized the face and knew this fellow Oswald.

In the interview, either newspaper or TV, but I am pretty sure

it was public rather than an investigation, he and Oswald had

been in the Civil Air Patrol cadet program

in my unit and of

course this kind of surprised me because I didn't recognize the

name of this lad that identified Oswald's picture.:

This is being

very frank, when I got hit with this thing I started me own in-

vestigation so for a l0-day period it was back and forth between

me and the FBI.

so far as I could develop this florist shop

fellow had gone to school with Oswald and tried to get Oswald

socialized, unsuccessfully, as part of the attempt to get him in

the Civil Air Patrol.': I understand he was in there for only a

matter od ays - two or three weeks.

This young fellow told me

that he had, in fact, in company with other cadets come by my

house.

As near as I could put that together I must have been

living in Kenner.

He said I had met Oswald

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VOLZ:

How did you get this information?

FERRIE:

some through the FBI and some I developed on my own.

VOLZ:

You have no recollection of Oswald?

FERRIE:

No I don't. This much is of interest. A fellow by the

name of Jack Martin kicks the whole thing off and gets me involved

I don't mind this being in a public record. Martin is a psycho-

path. Martin has a special vendetta for me.

VOLZ: :...

Why?

FERRIE: First, how do you explain a psychopath. However, there

are specific grounds. I. used to work for G. Wray Gill. Martin

fancies himself as an investigator. He acquainted himself with

me and tried to get some of Gill's work. Gill would not have him

because as Gill says, Martin plays both sides of the street. One

day I threw Martin out of the office. Not bodily, but I ordered

him out. Remember the time of the first Marcello case in

Actuat

Gill is the New Orleans lawyer for Marcello. Martin told Klein

that I had taught Oswald how to shoot a rifle. which is interest-

ing, since I am not such a good shot myself. In any event, that

year, the year of the assassination, I am uncertain but my belief

is that Oswald was here in the City of New Orleans:

VOLZ:

How do you know that?

FERRIE:

I am trying to remember...newspaper stories. klein

questioned me about this.

To my knowledge and belief I haven't

met Oswald.. I was busy working for Gill at that time.

VOLZ:

Do you know Morris Brownlee? In what connection?

FERRIE:

I have known Morris for 10 or 12 years. He has been in

a lot of trouble during that time:

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VOLZ:

Did you take a trip on November 22, 1963?

FERRIE:

Whatever the day that the verdict was

rendered in the

Marcello

case I took a weekend vacation.

VOLZ:

Where did you go?

FERRIE:

Houston, Galveston and Vinton. I had some business

industristi

Gill to take care of.

VOLZ:

• What business was this with Gill?

FERRIE: One of his cases in Federal Court.

Marion James Johnson

was on appeal. I forgot whether I was to ask him for money for a

transcript or what.

VOLZ:

Where did you go first?

FERRIE:

VOLZ:

Houston.

What did you do in Houston?

FERRIE:

VOLZ:

We went ice-skating.

Who went with you?

FERRIE: Alvin Beauboef and Melvin Coffey. He is

a rocket engineer

at one of the electronic places:

VOLZ:

You say you went ice-skating in Houston. Do you know

what rink?

FERRIE:

To my knowledge it was the only one in this area.

Used

to be one in Baton Rouge. I am a yankee and I like to ice-skate

and that whole time during the trial it was pretty much a ?-day

a week thing.

VOLZ: .

Do you recall when you went ice-skating?

FERRIE:

When the verdict came in, as I recall we had to go back

to the office at Noon. If I could recall the house the President

was shot. It was at that time we heard the President was shot.

In the next two or three hours thereafter the verdict came in.

Then we went to the Royal: Orleans Hotel and we had a victory

party or whatever you call it. This thing must have gone on until

supper time.

Events are starting to come back, but memory is a

tricky thing. wall would know.

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paperwork.

we wanted to go ice-skating and then hunting. We

were going to hunt geese south of Beaumont in that area to be

more specific. It seems to me we got to Houston. How long does

it take to get to Houston?

VOLZ: .

About 8 hours I think: Did you ever fly to Houston?

FERRIE: I fly extensively.

I was. in Houston three times over

the past week. I guess we got there about midnight.

VOLZ:

Had you planned this trip?

FERRIE: We made up our minds when the Morcello trial was over

we were going to take a vacation.

VOLZ:

During or after the trial?

FERRIE: Even before the Marcello case we worked for G. Wray

Gill any hour or any day and that usually was most days and most

hours. He leads you a wild chase.

VOLZ:

There had been a contemplated trip for sometime.

You

were going hunting but you didn't know exactly where you were

heading

for?

FERRIE:

And couldn't have cared less.

VOLZ:

Whose car?

FERRIE:

Mine.

VOLZ:

What kind of car?

FERRIE:

60. or 61 Comet wagôn.

At the time that we left we had

no idea where we were going.

VOLZ:

You were going hunting? Did you take any weapons?

FERRIE:

Yes.

VOLZ:

What kind?

FERRIE:

Shotguns.

VOLZ:

How many?

FERRIE:

I assume offhand a weapon apiece.

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VOLZ:

You went to Houston and went skating. Do you recall

whether it was the same day you left here?

FERRIE: We left at night. Stayed in a motel.: Have to go back

to the FBI for accuracy.

sometime that next day we went ice-

skating. I was the only one that knew

how.

vOLZ:

Did you rent skates or have your own?

FERRIE: :

We rented them. I don't think I had my own skates.

think we rented them.

vOLZ:

How long did you stay in Houston?

FERRIE:

My recollection of the moment is we stayed there that

next night. The day we ice-skated.

'VOLZ:

That would be November 23.

FERRIE: Whether we stayed in Houston the night of the 23rd I

don't know.

something tells me we went to Galveston. We were

looking for some

evening activity.

VOLZ:

What do you mean? Night life?

FERRIE: You can call it night life.

VOLZ:

looking for ladies?

FERRIE:

We went down to Galveston, we found that the town was

dead.

VOLZ:

Did you leave for Galveston in the morning or night?

Do you know what you did when you got to Galveston? Besides

finding it dead?

FERRIE:

I remember the morning in Galveston because we went

out looking for bars and found out the only ting you could buy

was beer. By our standards here it was dead.

It couldn't get

deader. So far the vacation had been falling on its head. It

seems to me it was inclement, some inclemency in the weather.

Coolness.

I don't know what we expected for November, but we

wanted something pleasant. I am trying to recall whether I

stopped at vinton on the way to Houston of coming back. I think

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I may have my dates all mixed up here. I think we stayed in

Vinton that night.

VOLZ:

The night of the 22nd?

FERRIE:

The night of whatever date we left here.

We went to

Marion James Johnson's roadhouse - a combination restaurant, bar

etc.

VOLZ:

That was in Vinton?

FERRIE:

Yes.

VOLZ:

What made you decide to go to Vinton?

FERRIE:

sooner of later I was going to have to go there for

Gill. This was two birds with one stone:

VOLZ:

What did you do in Vinton?

FERRIE:

Talked to Marion James Johnson.

VOLZ:

The night of the 22nd?

FERRIE: Yes, I think so. Once again, if I could get the record

I could tell you so. Don't forget this was three

years ago.

VOLZ:

Then you went to Houston after Vinton?

FERRIE:

I am recollecting it that way right now. The reasons

I am saying that is this.

When we left Galveston we decided

to go look for the geese. I remembered I boarded

a ferry across

a channel down along the south shore. We did, in fact, get to

where the geese were and there were thousands, but you couldn't

approach them. They were a wise bunch of birds.

VOLZ:

Did you kill any geese?

FERRIE:

No.

VOLZ:

Was that early in the morning?

FERRIE:

Daylight but not early morning.

VOLZ:

That would be about the 24th. You went to Vinton,

Houston, Galveston.

FERRIE: I say it is all right in the absence of anything else.

VOLZ:

After Galveston then what?

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We decided to go to Alexandria, La. where Beauboef

had some relatives. Then we got the idea of staying there for

2 or 3 days. I decided to call Gill and tell him we were not

coming back for a couple of days. Gill told me you had better

get back here, we are in major trouble. Jack Martin told Klein

that I knew Lee Harvey Oswald and had conspired with Oswald in

the

assassination of Kennedy. I cam back and don't recall which

day it was. Sat in this very office..

I was pretty much surrounded

by investigators and everybody. Klein asked me pretty much the

questions that you are asking me now. They showd me 4 or 5 police

photos of people and asked if I could identify them and I couldnt.

one was supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald for an arrest for dis-

turbing the peace here in New Orleans.

Klein decided that I did

know Lee Harvey Oswald and arrested me as a fugitive from Texas

and they took me over to the First District. I stayed there foz

a couple of days while all of this was checked out.

VOLZ:

How long did you stay in Alexandria?

FERRIE:

I don't think a full day. I don't recall staying over-

night and somewhere along the line we thought we had better check

in and that's when Gill told me to come back at once.

VOLZ:

How did you arrange for gasoline?

FERRIE:

I don't recall.

VOLZ:

Do you have a credit card?

FERRIE:

NO.

VOLZ:

None at all?

FERRIE:

NO.

VOLZ:

was the trip uneventful? Did you have any difficulties?

FERRIE:

Not that I can recall. The events that stay in my mind

are ice-skating, deadness in Galveston, geese and the phone call

to Gill..

VOLZ:

Did you do any hunting in Alexandria?

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FERRIE:

I don't believe we dia. Again, I would have to go back

to something else to refresh my memory:

vOL'Z:

Did you meet any friends.

Do you have any acquaintances

in any of those towns?

FERRIE:

I Know Marion James Johnson, a business acquaintance.

No one in Houston or Galveston.

voLZ:

How about Alexandria.

FERRIE: These would be Beauboef's relatives.

VOLZ:

Did you all 3 come back together?

FERRIE:

Just the 3 of us, Beauboef, Coffey and myself.

VOLZ:

Around that particular time in that area, what was

Morris Brownlee doing?

FERRIE: I don't even know right now.

VOLZ:

He was just a friend of yours or was he in your unit?

FERRIE: I don't think he ever joined Civil Air Patrol. This is

going back 12 or 13 years:

VOLZ: Around that particular time, di you ever go hunting with

Morris? Does Morris ever go hunting?

FERRIE:

I would imagine so. I don't know if he ever went hunting

with me. I don't know. This isn't the kind of thing you remember.

VOLZ:

Did you ever take any trips with Morris?

FERRIE:

res, I think so. But I am not sure about this. I would

have to ask Gill. Somewhere back in 61 or 62 I had to go to

Mississippi for Gill on an oil bill. I believe I took Brownlee

with me because at that time he was doing

a little work for Gill.

I believe that on one of the many trips we took to Vinton because

we were back and forth quite a number of times. I believe he was

on one of those.

Morris went along when Alice Gedeau (? sp),

Gill's

secretary, and I went down to one of the small towns, New

Iberia or somewhere.

There was a murder case where a defendant

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VOLZ:

That was 61-52

FERRIE:

Could have been 63.

VOLZ:

Do you recall where you stayed in Galveston?

FERRIE:

NO:

VOLZ:

Do you recall where you stayed in Alexandria?

FERRIE:

No. My only source would be the FBI:

VOLZ:

You are positive that all three of you came back

together?

FERRIE:

That is my recollection.

The only way I would know for

sure would be to call Mr. Wall or the individual.

VOLZ:

But you are positive it was just the 3

of you that went

and came back? Have you ever gone to Dallas?

FERRIE:

Yes, I was in Dallas in March or April of this year.

VOLZ:

How about around that time you went to Houston?

FERRIE: Thank God, no.

As Gill said, if I had been in Dallas,

I would have been in jail.

VOLZ:

Since it came up earlier, you said you were supposed

to have taught Oswald how to shoot a rifle. Have you ever

taught anybody how to shoot a rifle.

FERRIE:

Yes. This was in the Civil Air Patrol cadet program.

Teach them how to shoot a .22 and sometimes something heavier.

It is part of the program.

VOLZ:

Did you teach any of these boys who were on the trip

with you how to shoot.

FERRIE:

Coffey, I don't know.

Beauboef was. a born hunter.

VOLZ:

How about Brownlee?

FERRIE:

He likes the outdoors but whether he goes hunting I

don't know. He is the type that would collect botanical specimens.

or if he did hunt he would use a bow and arrow instead of shooting.

VOLZ:

You say Morris wasn't interested in guns.

FERRIE:

I don't know one way or the other. Morris always

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At this moment my recollection of Morris is that his

interests would be physics, rocketry, electronics and philosophy.

VOLZ:

Was he ever on these cadet training encampments that

you were talking about.

FERRIE:

I don't recall one way or the other.

If you are

interested in completing this thing I will try to remember and

write this down for you.

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VOLZ:

What are you doing now?

FERRIE:

Flying.

VOLZ:

For anybody in particular?

FERRIE:

Flying for myself. Flight instructions. One of your.

former associates is one of my customers. Jerry Aurillio.

I feel reasonably confident that the FBI agents who worked on

this would cooperate and I could get other names, the times

and everything else because at that time we had to work out a

rather

fabulous time schedule. They worked out. Oswald's and

mine, too. Then I could give you more definite answers.

VOLZ:

The two boys that you went to texas with, were they

in your unit at the time.

FERRIE: I was not in Civil Air Patrol at that time.

VOLZ:

Do you know if they knew Morris?

FERRIE: Yes, I think so. In what connection and to what

depth I am not sure.

VOLZ:

What was Coffey's first name?

FERRIE:

Melvin. He worked at Michoud.

VOLZ:

When was the last time you saw Coffey or Beauboef?

FERRIE:

I see Beauboef routinely but Coffey not for a long time.

He was upset about this because of his job.

VOLZ:

Who does Beauboef fly for?

FERRIE::: He is not employed as a pilot. He is looking for that

kind of employment.

VOLZ:

Do you know what he is doing now?

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VOLZ:

Do you make a decent living with this flying?

FERRIE:

I make a living, I don't know how decent it is.

VOLZ:

Do you do any charter flying?

FERRIE:

Occasionally.

VOLZ:

Have you done any charter flying in the 60's?

FERRIE: In the first part of 1961... Up until August, '61 it was

all air carrier.

VOLZ:

For an airlines?

FERRIE:

Eastern.

VOLZ:

During that time in your spare time did you do any

flying?

FERRIE:

Civil Air Patrol, instructions on the side.

VOLZ:

Did you do any charter work?

FERRIE: It is prohibited. Martin had me going to Cuba. It

was in the newspapers... in a 110 mile an hour airplane with

four hours of gas:

VOLZ:

were you doing any charter flying at the time when he

accused you of this?

FERRIE:. No. I was supposed to be working for the airline. I

was also supposed to have gone in 1963.

Klein asked if that

summer I had been in Cuba. That was some more of Jack Martin.

Is Pershing Gervais still around?

VOLZ:

No, he is hot in our office anymore. Do you want to

see him?

FERRIE:

Not especially. I just wanted to refer you back to

him as to why I am in here this morning. I am thinking about

Martin's personality.

Martin somehow gets to be near the bride

at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral.

He somehow

gets involved in civil and criminal affairs. Martin gets

in on

all these interesting little things. He tried to get Pershing

Gervais on brutality. There was a big mess for a few days.

have sort of been speculating on why I am here and I think I

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the Warren Report and I think Jack Martin would have seized on

this because this

is exactly his type of meat. I imagine he

would come to someone like Frank Klein, Pershing Gervais or

Jim Garrison and sometimes Martin convinces himself on his con-

fections, sometimes he doesn't. I know he was in the psycho

ward in Charity for a while and was in the psycho ward in Texas.

He used to run a diploma mill in Texas.

VOLZ:

You feel he is responsible for your being here today?

FERRIE:

Yes, I feel it is a possibility.

VOLZ:

Have you read any of these articles?

FERRIE:

No, I am too busy trying to earn a living. I do know

I have seen statements regarding Governor Connelly, I have got

nothing to hide.. But I have been trying to figure

out for the

last two days what I was being subpoenaed for and I tried calling

everybody to find out what it was all about. I tried Gill, he

didn't know anything. The reason I am on this Martin thing is

that Gill tells me 3 or 4 days back Martin called him and wanted

to know where I was, where I was working and how I could be reachea.

Gill and I speculated over various possibilities and this Kennedy

thing was one of them.

VOLZ:

Would you be willing to submit to a polygraph?

FERRIE:

Certainly, I would be willing to submit to truth serum.

+6-7197796197

I have no hesitation at all.

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Other Areas of Information Which Were Urcovered Daring the Investigation

Not Previously Known to Eastern

40

Ferrie's record with the Civil Air Patrol and his organization

of an unauthorized unit.

Ferrie's connection with a club for juveniles known as the

"Onnipotents."

Ferrie's activities in New Orleans in connection with his claim

to have a Ph.D. and to be a Research Psychologist.

Ferrie's public claims in Neir Orleans to be a graduate of

Phoenix University.

Albert Cheranie..su

Ferrie's visit to Albert Cheramie,

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he was warned to stop practicing medicine or face criminal chargas.

Foderal iviation Ageney fine in 1950 for permitting a student

pilot to s0lo in his aircraft with a passenger. Gall

cartesire?

Perrie's

speech in 1961 before the Military Order of World Wars,

which speech was stopped because of Ferrie's attacks upon ther

President of the United States.

Ferrie's claim that some Eastern employees were communists and

frey to

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Refusal of Ferrie to Cooperate in Corpany's Investization of Above Matters

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On February 18, 1963,

the Company attempted to continue its investigation of

the above matters by

inquiries about them to Ferrie.

He refused to answer

any questionion the above subjects,.

including questions about his explanation

as to why

the crürnal charges had been brougat against him.

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MEMORANDUM

March 9, 1967

Ferne

59

duplieate

of earlier

report is

TO:

FROM:

RE:

AL OSER, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY

SGT. TOM DUFFY AND OFFICER C. J. NAVARRE

INTERVIEW OF CHARLES HOLIDAY

Residing 713 Herald Street, Algiers, Louisiana

On March 7, 1967, at 7:30 P.M. Officer Navarre

interviewed

a MR. CHARLES HOLIDAY.

This interview was conducted

by phone at 362-5087.

MR. HOLIDAY stated that he was a member of the C.A.P.

the New Orleans Airport Squadron from 1954 through 1956.

1956 he thenwent on active duty with the U.S. Air Force.

MR. HOLIDAY related that he knew DAVE FERRIE

from being

a member of the C.A.P. Further, that FERRIE was a weird charac-

ter.. He heard that

later MR. FERRIE was with an airlines.

The only thing that stood out was the fact that FERRIE mentioned

death MR. HOLIDAY related that he never did personally see

DAVE FERRIE miX any drugs. Also that he has never gone to DAVE

FERRIE'S house.

MP.. HOLIDAY stated that five of six boys were close to

FERRIE and one of them was TOMMY BOWMAN who at the present time

is not

residing in New Orleans and it is unknown where he is

now residing.

Also a MR. PENEGUY, CHARLIE ROBERTSON, and

PHIL

COUSINS who had a brother by the name of PETE COUSINS.

CHARLIE ROBERTSON is a captain in the U.S. Navy and

stationed in California at this time.

The COUSIN brothers may

be residing here in New Orleans.. It is unknown where MR. PENEGUY

MR. HOLIDAY stated that most of the group he was con-

nected with in the C.A.P. resigned at the same time in 1956 and

entered various branches

of the Armed Forces.

MR. HOLIDAY stated that MISS DURR would have pictures

of the entire group because she was always. there when they were

on maneuvers and inspections. MISS DURR was the commanding

officer of the female C.A.P. CAPTAIN FERRIE would tell them

had rifles

MR. HOLIDAY stated that CAPTAIN FERRIE resided on Clay

street in Kenner during the time he was with the C.A.P. Further

that some of the boys, especially TOMMY BOWMAN, would go to his

home. Further, that at this time CAPTAIN FERRIE had a Stinsen

Voyager Aircraft

in running condition.

Further that he thinks

this aircraft was

wrecked by a hurricane in 1957 or 1958.

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A Tavolved os Interviered

• Qthar Individuals and Organization.

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INVESTIGATIC: NADEDY

Dalparis Lae NeTonbOr 24-22, 1963

Anthony E. Gorrots

DETAILS

120 Harvoy dovilo

AssassinatIon of Presidont

Joha

Fo Xonnody

SYNOPSIS

Invostigation disclos.d that information

furnished by tack sa Mestinto tho offoct

hat David lian teng ansociatod wich

ICB

Harvor osward

"ao Now Orloans

and

trained Oswald in the úse of a sille with

•cicecopic Icñso, also that Forrio had

vísitéd Dallas coveril wooko prior to the

essannination of Presidoxt John 2. Konnody,

in"schout foundation.

Jack so Martin, who

nas the appearanco of boing an alconolic,

has the reputation 100ally of furnishing

Incorroit infornation to law onforcemons

officers, attornogs,. etc.

DETAILS OF INVESTICATION

LAnt

:0U Pomo on 1i-24003 Donald Mitcholl, 1501s Gonera

Taylor Sü.,

or Orloans (rear basemen

apartmont),

it the offico and was Interviciod by roporting agant.

litcholl stated that he charos this apartront iltn ono

Priz1p SEoLa, a/k/a MJéray":

mitcholl advised also

sat cho telophono in this apertmont is.in tho naro

anaar a Konimas Assiatant Diaurict Attornoy, Parish

Ordoens, Now Orloens, 10.1

for tho roason thay Mx. Kondon

cornorly sharod tho apartmont n1th J.

philly Stain but

that

soniman rocently married and novod Iron the apartuont.

Tho

coophono number 1n question 18 TWinbrook 1-6703.

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curlnt and intorview with dr. Mitchell ho stated that sose

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JACK

MARTIA

60-2-34, 030

Радо по!

12-13-63

c1ao during tho aitornoon of Sunday 11-24-63 jorry Scõin an-.

siórod tho

tclophono in their apartuont; that the porson

calling

vas ondoavoring to contaci liorman s. Kohinan, aplaining to Stols

hoû to canon ho vas trIo to doi In touch with Kohlman văs

that kohlman had writtena story abouù an individual knoin es

"FARRI"; that "FARRIM was E hypnotist and had oithor Esugit os

had conothing to do with duald being inughe how to uso rillos

viüh toloccopic Ionsos, also indiözting thai "FARRy" had a col

lection of riflos.

Tho cailor also informod Stein thai MARRIa.

nad booi in dallas ibout tho tooks prior to 11-24-63 and that

"ARRy" had boen corrosponding with Oswaldo

lécholi, the person making this tolophone call said his saso

"JACK" → no last nano siver..

Subsoquont to the Intorview with Donald Mitcholl, savoral at

tompts wore nado to contact HermanS. Kohluan,

it 11:00 pou. on 11-24-63 a tolophono call vas racolvoà fio=

Chillo stein.

Ho said no did not know "Jack'on last nano.

Ho stated that tho For had boon Invostliating "FAPPY" sovoral

s00%e prios to 11-24-63; that "FARR"'IS sald to bo an airplazo

pilot and allogodly has

flo:n suppliós to cuba, Stoin staiod

that njöck" told hiù that "rappyl vas said to have been in

DaLLaS GOVOral Hooks proviouslT; curthor, that "PARRY" 1S a1-

logodly a homosexual. Stoin statod that no was told by jacka

that FARRY" has boon training sono Civil Als Patrol boys In

tho uso of foroign'nade arns and allogodly trainod Oswald is

so usg of a c1fle.

• 00.

stoin siabod that urAnny" is said to bo rathor Intolligent;.

that

ho allogodly bas e pid dogroo and 1sa hypnotist. Ho

.=

=orain? norspapor.

Stoin sisted that,

according to jack",.

"FARny" is allogod to havo boon conmunicating with Osvald

and tiat boin voro allogodly ongagod in the

ano type of vóris.

so said that "rinny"as baliovod to be living In the louisiana

Avoriuo Parliay area, New Orleans.

ü 12:Ã0 D.j. on 11-24-63 roportiñl agon rocoivod a tolonhono

Ison Norman S. 'Kohlnan.

that ho was an

District düicanoy

for tho parish of Orloans and that he las

calling froin tho Diótrict

Attornoy's offico.

It was apparent

anan in. kohlman was reluctant to talk cbout aranny".

Fo finally.

stance,

"hoiovos, that the district Attornogie olfaco was conducting

an invostica÷lon on tho1s oun vich sogard to "fann"; that "Farri"?

Is actually David Farrio (N; M: 42: 195: 5-11; woarg a lag, haviag

cutorod loss of hair 1a blotchod). Ho said that Forrio has al

cucord at tho dow Orloans Polico Popto Buroau of Idontification;

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Pago Throo

12-13-63::

ho"had boon arrested sovoral timos and charzod vith moral

occonsos involting young boys.

Ho sald that. Forrio at ono timo.

on dunorton Driva

i. Kohiman statod that

a suburb of Now Orloans.

at tho tino

Total-do, Ela tolophono contomation

vlia =o his officohad con Polico Officors (invostigatore for tho

Districo mutornogis offico) scouring tho city for David Forrio

and that in the eront Forrio was piciod no ho vould notiêy ie.

(to roquest as nade

of it Koniman that forrle do pickod up and

At 12:352.1. OR Oñ Assistant District Attórnoy Horsan Sa

Kohlman colophoned the reporting agoni aù his rosidanco, at voica

tino no advisod that he had soccived information to tno orfoct

¿naù David Milliau Forrio had loft fos Dallas on Friday 11-22-63

Sing tho artornoon,

saTollIng In a light bluo Coot. "Hie also

advised that forrio reportodly had a plane and may still; haro fir

Ho said that du tho timo of his tolophono convorsation v1th no

¿orrio was allogodly on hio lay baci to Now orloans.

To Kohlnán stated thát it was his inforcation that Harvey too

•Osvala vas in Forniela Civil Als Patrol group in Now Orloans

"somo joars ago; that ferrio allegodly had a fraudulent charter

and. trai cho Civil doronautios Board chockod on 1t.-"

When tressed for the full name óf the informant thus las referred

to ory as "jack" lu. ionian statod that he was "just a follow

¡o vorted arounditho Pollco Headquartórs building" and that "jock"

did'not vant to bocono Involvod in this intostigation and for that

roãson did not viant his nano montionod la any vay..

was, Inforned that "jack" would havé to bo Intorviowod In person

so robrosentativos of this sorvico:

DurIng the lato afternoon of 11-25-63 .S1IC PiCo roccivad a tolophone

from Herman Si

Bonlman,

advising that David forrio had boon

picked un by roprosontativos of tho orleans Parish District Attoroy's

afico and that de vas boing questionod in tho District Attornors

offico at that timo.

1r. Kohluan iñformed

SAIC PIco that Forrio

voula shortly do brought to the First District POlICO Station,

¿soro ho would be booked.

Áu coproduatoly, 7:00 P.n. on 11-25-63 SAIC RICe and reporting

agoro

Intertionod david Willian Ferrio (W;1; 46-003 3-18-18

it clovoland,

5-11; 120; ruddy cosplosion; brown ovos:

_oars dark ocóin kinder wit rich a roddish tint; falso uppor

codin; rosados aü 3330 LouLclane Avonuo Pariway, Now Orloand.

Forris statod !:

that do had livod at: 17302 Laverno and at 6801 Pear Avonuo Is

(lovaland, On10) a

620

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Darld Willian forrió statod that thon ho was ouployod by bastern

¿Ines ho clew costly tó Houston,

San Antonio, Corpus Christs

and Broinville and various intormediato pointo; that so so=e

cIos 1101 t0 jew York via Atlanta and Washinston:

Feario insistod that horas In Now Orloans on Thuroday, jovonbor 21e:

1903 and on Fridat, lovembor 22, 1963, unt1l about 9:00 p.I.

said that ho is posluiva that ho vas in dev Orloaro on tho daica

Fentioned becauss do had boon in couri in connection inch a triăl.

Involving Car105 Mui'?110.

Ho said that ho dopartod for 0r1oa2-

•bout 9:00 p.m. on 11-22-03 andárovo to Houston and Galvesion,

Paras,

tith tio coupanions;

Alich Beauboues, about 19 or 20 joars

0i6,

•Laxco St.,

Now Orloans;

a 19ó1 blue conet L-door Station lagon with 1963 LouisIana l1coaso.

raving boucht tho car fron Delta Mercur,

2201 Canal"Sto,

Now Orleans, about

Salasuan-

theo or jour necks proviously a Caarles Grahas,

Forrio stated that ho and his tro companions montionca abovo re~

turnod to lion Orleans about 8:30 P.i. on

11-24-03; thai no tolos

Jianod Atiorroy G. Urãt Gill (oy thon hé 1s ämplored as

aa Invosa

tiga 05) soveral tinos; that'at Gillis suggestion he left vei

O-loans about midnight

that sano date and drovo to Hammond, ino,

whorc ho suajod'at tho Holloray Snith Hall on Sjeanóro

stoccl, at tha Southaastera Louidiana colloso, moro o has a

Chouas Comptoo, tho does robearch in narcotioo addiction

indor a Doctor Nichols; undor a Fodoral grand.

Ho said he loit

Ramond about 1:00 P.m. 0n 11-25-03 andarrived Non Orleans- 200st

5:00 ?.n.; thai inmodiatoly upon arriting at New Orloanó he coi-

ciod nitorney Gill, who accompanied him to the Orleans

Decles Atonnert offices word he was wanted for questioning

In conaction sith tho Oswald case.

During tho intorvion with forrio by snIc Pico and mysoll no statod

no dad lost Now Orloans on 10-11-63 via Taca Air Linos 20=

Gustonala and hadroturod via tho same line, arriving loi 0r10223

0710-18-53.

Ho statod that ho again laid Now Orloans on 10-30-03

Via tuca dir Linos Ior Guatonala, raturning via the sane couto,

riving Nor 0rI02n3. 0z 21-1-63.

forrio indicatod that he had

=ado thoto trios to Guatonalá los Nctornor Gi May Glil and that

0 tales cavolvod sono Lavestigativo work having to do with the

DuTIa WIlllan torrio angbatically dealod that ho had boar 1s

Dlla6 loc goont tho last einst to con yoars.

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tho intorviow with David William Forrio vas about to onà no

cãuiod that ho had a vory good idoa to had roportod hin'as hariaz

tolescopic lonsos,

that ho tan firnly convinood that ozo

No stated that lurtin makos a practico of hanging arouna ens.

ollicos of various attorneys, Court toons;

otc., and 15 well

"nown locally for iurnishing false loads to lan enforcauant

olIcers, attornogs, 0tc.

Subsoquost to our Intorview vich Forrio on the night of 11-25-63

no was intortioned by fBi Agents at tho Fist District Polico

statior.

0n 13-26-53 16 ias loarnod to rol Agonto had tallod With Jack Sa

vino admitiod thas no had ocon the inforuant wità sogara

to David tilliam Forrie;

that Martin haa admition to rIngonta

that tno information which ho had furnishod Assistant DIstrict

Attorney kohiman was a figmont of his inacination and that ho had

=ão do tho suory altor cading tho naispapors and waiching tolo-

that he ronemoored that soniman, a lorner novapayor sáportora

nad isitton an article or siorg acout forrio a coúple of joars ago

and that ho picced thó wolo thing together. In his mind and bad

Jiton it to johlman as facts.

On tho night of 11-29-63 S4IC Rico and reporting agent intertionod

jack 5, Martin aù longth in his saall run-down apartment locatod at

1511 i. Priour Stroot, Now Orloans, which ho sharco with his vito

and S-y02= 01d SON.

Martin, who has ovory appearanco of belng as

cIconolic.

admittod auring to intortion thit ho suffors lou

"clephonitis" when drinking and that lt was during one of sis

¿rinling soroes that ho tolophoned Assistint District Attornes

Tornan S. Kohlaan and told his this fantastic story about lillian

• David Forrie being

nvolved men jeo Harvor. Osmala.

ilo said ha

¡ad icard on talovision that Oswald had at

one

tina beon activa

intho civil lin raurol and had lator hoard that Torrio had beca

his Squadron Commandor.

Mariln ttatod that forrio rus well kaoin

to'hi; that ho recallod having seon riflos in Forriois hono and.

also recalled tnat toniran had critton an articlo on forcio and

that Forrio had boon a Mariao.and had boen with tic Civil is

Patrol.

Martia suadod that aftor turning all thoso thoughts olor

in hio

mind, no had tolophonod Hornan S. Kohlnan ánd told his story

though it vas basod on lacto rathor thas on his inagtration.

¿ai or to cuora, this Danse of the Invastie

Willars davia Forrio vill bo considorod olosad.

UNDEVELOPED LEADS

CR8.7620

Case ronains oponat dew Orloans punding subrission of soveral.

aúditional conords covoring invostigation thus ser conducten,

accor which tho cuto sial do clogod horo

and invöstigation dis.

cortinuod in sccordanco with Chiogis

instruotions'".

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PEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dato.

November 27, 1963

FRANK CARACI, CO-OWaer, Club 500,

500 Bourbon Street,

advised that he never met JACK LEON RUBY, but was aware

fact that RUBY was in New Orleanslooking

Ior dandar in about

1963 at about the time JEANETTE CONFORTO was completing

ner ongagoment at the Sho-Bar Club on Bourbon Stroet.

CARACI recalled that one night, probably in Jue,

se and NICK CARNO,

was a man who ran the Carousel Club in Dallas out in front who

wanted to talk to CARACI about hiring some dancers.

He told DUGAS

to tell this man that he knew of no dancers available other than

CONFORTO. He told DUGAS to tell this person to go to the Sho-Bar

aud talk

tO CONFORTO.

CARACI stated that neither he nor CARNO

Ict this individual and he had concluded thatthis individual

actually was RUBY since he has read in the newspapers. and heard

on television that RUBY operated the Carousel Club.

CARACI

sald he did not kiow liE HARVEY OSPALd and had never

heard of bim

before tho assassination of the Presidont.

0n 11/27/63

New Orleans, Louisiana

_ Filo #

NO 89-69

DI -SA FURLAN Gi POGGAN

ida

493

-Dato dicrated _ 11/27/63

Thio docucas contalra nolthos rocommondaldona nor annaluadona ol lha FBl. 1l la lha proporly ol lha Fal and la loisad lo

yous agonayi il and dia contanlo aro nol lo bo dialeiburad ouladdo your agonoy..

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QDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIO

Date -

Novembor 27, 1963

ALFRED PECORARO, 1205 North Rampert Stroot, studont

at Louisiana Stito: Univorsity, Now Orleans, ravised

1s Riblicity Chairman of the New Orleans Council for Pascsiul

Alternatives, and 18 a member of a Socialist Study Group in

New Orleans which mets regularly at various locations threughout

the city.

He said the lagt meeting of the Now Orleans Council

for Peaceiul Alternatives was in June of 1963.

PECORARO advised

among his acquaintances are WILLIAM EDWIN CLARK, LIONEL HAMPTON

WITCHELL, JOHN D. BASS, BILL HOGAN, ROBERT HOFFMEN;

and DAVE

SOFTIAN.

PECORARO described DAVE HOFFMAN as "apolitical."

He said the othors.

generally travelled in the sany circle ag

does he (PECORARO):

He noted that HOFFMAN last your was Editor

of "The Reed," atTulane University. He stated FOFFliN rasides

on Decatur Street, New Orleans, in

the ares of Esplanade Avenue.

PECORARO advisod ho was cortain that ho had nevor

attended a meating of any group contemporarily with LEE HARVEY

OSHALD. He examined OSWALD's photograph and stated that he could

not say that he had ever seen this man in person.

PECORARO advised he most certainly had never attended

any gathering where assassination of Presidents was discussed;

that any group with which he 1s associated advocates pasco, and

that he would not sit through such discussions.

Subsequent to President KENNEDY'S death, PECORARO had

a discussion with LIONEL HAMPTON MITCHELL &bOut OSWALD, and

MITChELL likewise stated that he had never seen OSwaLd on any

occasion in New Orleans.

12216301 New ClEaRa, IN

_ File # NO 89663

1'S JOHN F, SMITH & KEVIN I HARRIGAN/abbato dictated _11/27/63

cumoor contatne nolther rocommendallone nor conaluaiona

Incy; 11 and lla cosionia dra dol lo be dialibuted ouladdo your agonay.

of the FBI. Il da lhe proporty of the FBI and la loanad lo

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date November 29, 1963

JESSE R. CORE, III, 3022 St. Charlos Avonue,

that ho was prosontly Director of the Josse R: Core

Relations Firm located in Room 211 International Trade Mart,

134 Camp Street, New Orleans, Louisiana,

and added that he

was aiso presently doing public relations political wors

¡or sis client ROBERT F. KENNON, Candidate for Governor,

State of Louisiana.

He stated that sometime during the middle of the

-oath in Septenber, 1963 when he was conferring with political

associates at the Roosevelt Hotel, New Orleans, Louisiana,

heard a rumor that someone was picketing the International Trade

¿art and telephoned radio station WDSU to inquire

Wart was being picketed.

He stated that he was informed that

it had been reported that pickots wero locatod at this mart

and CoRt added that he was aware that this mart had previously

been picketed by extremist groups,

the names of which groups

he had never been made aware but explained that to his knowledge

they were small groups of males but predominately lemales who pick-

both City Hall and International House at New Orleans,

as taese buildings had displayed the United Nations Flag.

CORE stated that he immediately went over to this

want to "see what was going on" and noted at this location two

parsons who appeared to be handing out leaflets bearing the

satation "Hands O11 Cuba" and a name stamped "I. H. OSWALD,

4907 Wagazine Street, New Orleans, Louisiana ".

He stated that at this location he immediatoly conforrod

with a iriend of his and Trado Mart Assuciate named JOHN ALICE,

owner of John Alice & Company, Import Export Firm, International

Trâde dart, 124 Camp Street, New Orleans, Louisiana.

He stated

that ALICE showed him a handbill similar to the one described

above and cor added that he was so angered with the entire idea

oi someone passing out such handbills, that he immediately wadded

the handoill up and threw it in the lace of one person passing

out such handbills.

CORE stated in addition he cursed this

individual and called him a Conmunist.

CORE explained that the person at whom he threw

this handbill noved his head slightly and did not speak to hir

Qui saye him a "cold and Lay" stare.

On 11-29/63

-a New Orleans, Louisiana

LISA JALES ROYCE PECK:

anda docusess contalai

NO 89-69

_ Filos.

DALLAS 89-43

- Dato dictated _al/ 29/63

porty of lhe FBI and do loanad la

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CORE stated that on this occasion he did not know the

name of this individual but explained that without any doubt

this indiviaual was directing the activitias on this occasion

at the Trade lart and further explained that it was not until

November 22,

1963 when LIE HARVEY OSwAld's picture appeared

on television that he was aware that the individual who was

passing out these handbills on this occasion was identical

•FiTH LEE HARVEY OSWALD. do advised thât neither prior to

occasion nor subsequent to it had he seen this individual

viti: tho obvious oicoption of sooing OSWALD's picture on television.

in connection with the assassination of Presidont JOHN t. KEnNedY.

He described OSWAlD as approximately under 30,

5'8" tall,

sounds, appearing irail with his hair thinning in froat and

appearing dark but not black.

Shortly after the above described incident CORE

stated he went to his office in the Trade Mart and while there

receired a telephone call from someone located at Radio Station

FoSo #60 inquired of CORE i1 a cameraman had arrived at the

Trade bazi and il pictures were being taken of the activity

at tris location.

He stated that he informed the person who

called iron this station that while he was observing the

activity aù this location a photographer

from this radio

station was obsorvod to bo taking pictures.

CORE was furnished copies of appioximately

photographs taken by Radio Station IDSU on this occasion

picked out an individual from among persons represented in

these photographs as identical with the individual he saw at

the Trade wart during September,

1963 and added that this

irdividual was, in his opinion, 1dentical with OSWALD.

copa continued to examine the photographs referred

to and picked out a white male described by corE below as

being an associate of OSWALD's on this occasion but added

that se did not know the name of this individual.

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CORE added that as he recalled only the two persons

described were observed by him to pass out handbills on this

occasion and he stated he saw no other person handing out

these pampalets.

From among the persons

pictured in the photographs

which COPS observed he identified the following named

persons

and added that these individuals were present on that occasion

as spectators of the activity at the Trade Mart:

j. ERARi, identified by CORE as Japanese who operates

a.. Import. Export Firm named Kasuga & Co.,

Ltd. on

third

iioor

of the International Trade Mart,

124 Camp Street, New Orleans,

Louisiana (telephone number 525-7841).

JOIN ALICE, Owner, John Alica & Co., Import Export

Firm, International Trade Mart.

HIS. ISAAC DELORES NEELEY named by CORE as his former

secretary and

presently

associated with the New Orleans Press

Group, New Orleans, Louisiana.

corE stated that he possibly observed the activity

at this mart for

approximately 20 or 25 minutes at the

time

in question and added that since he thought this information

mizat be useîul to the federal Bureau of Investigation,

he

then tolephoned that organization and reported the nature of

tho activity doscribod abovo.

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Doro

18/27/09

=

DAVID WILLIAM FERRIE waS

interviewed at his

residence,

3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway and was advised

of the identity of interviewing Agents.

He was advised ho

dia not have to make a statement,

any statement he

did make could bo used in a

of law and he had the

right to the advice of an attorney.

FERRIE stated that at the time of the Bay of

Pigs Invasion of Cuba, he was very embarrassed and

concerned over the lack of air cover provided the Cubans

who were engaged in the invasion and that he severely

criticized President JOHN F. KENNEDY both in public

private.

He stated that he

does not recall specifically

what he said in making these crivicisms and might bave used

an off-hand or colioquial expression "He ought

to express his feelings concerning the Cuban situation.

He stated that he has never made any statement

President KENNEDY should be killed with the intention that

this be done and has never at any time outlined or

fornulated any plans or made any statement as to how this

could be done or who should do it.

FERRIE stated that when it came to serious

discussions, when the question of impeachment of Presideat

RailaDY arose he opposed any impeachment proceedings.

FarRis said that within one year prior to the first Russian

Sputnik he recalls being quite critical of the U.S. Space

project and the Defense Program. He said he had alse been

critical of any president riding in an open car and had:

made the statement that anyone could hide in the bushes

and shoot a president. FERRIE also advised that he has

been accused of being a worshiper of President KENNEDY

ho is a liboral and strongly believes in President

KENNEDY's Civil Rights Program and Fiscal Progran.

FERRIE stated he has never loaned his library

card to LEE HARVEY OSwAlD or any other person at any time

and that his library card, to the best of his recollection

has not been out of his possession since it was issued to

He exhibited New Orleans Public Library card #M.L.

89437 bearing the stamped lettering N.R. - P.D. in the upper

leit hand corner. FERRIE said the letters N.R. mean sog-resident,

Ол -

11/27/63

NoW Organs, LOU151n122 File # -

SA'S

ERNEST C. VALL, JR. &

THEODORE R. LATER

_ NO 89-69

1bal. Dato dictared -

11/27/63

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ECH: Dal

and the letters P.D. mean paid.

He related that at the time

ne obtained

this library card

he was living in Metairie,

Louisiana and had to pay for the issuance of the card.

The library card shows

it

was issued in the name of dr. daVID

FERRIE,

331 Atherton Drive, and expiration date is shown as

March 13, 1963.

FERRIE stated he has no recollection of knowing

if any dusinoss or social capacity.

having nei LEE HARVEX OSWALD in the Civil Air Patrol or

FERRIE stated he has never owned a telescopic

sight, a rifle equipped with a telescopic sight,

has never

used

a weapos equipped with a telescopic sight and does

not know how to use one.

He also said he has never instructed

LEE HARVEX OSYAID OF anyone else in the use of American mace

or soreign nade rifles or firearms.

FEPRIE said that while in the Civil Air Patrol

hè assisted

in firearms instruction at Civil Air Patrol Bivouacs

for range saicty only.

FERRIE claimed he has owned a Stinson 150 blue

and write,

single engine, lour passenger monoplane, registration.

sumber 8293K and that this plane has

not been airworthy since

the licease expired in the spring of 1962.

FERRIE stated he

has ever flown LEE HARVEY OSWALD to Dallas, Texas or any

other town in Texas at any time.

Re

said that the only

places he would have access to would be rental planes.

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== @thpruIndividuals and Organizations

-Involvad or Intervionod

dich Deen

Ino Harvoy Obvila

8..

AGSaSSInatIOn OL PrOBIdODE

Joha

F. Konaody

withe

Hci Danana, Lai Nevonbor 31-29, 1263

INVLSTIGATIGS MAGEDY

Spoc122 Agono Anthony s. Corrota

Stacan Arena ta Charti Toba la Rica

ATTALLE

SINOPSIS

Invostigation disclcs.od that infornation

furnishad by tack salestia-to tho offoot

that Pavid Willan rog ensociatod vich

Les marvoy Oswaldet dor Orloans and

trained Ostald in the úso of a sillo with

•¿closcopic leñco, also that Forcio had

vísitéd Dallas coveräl vooko prior to tho

ensannination of Presidort John i. Konnody,

1n" irchout Loundation.

Jack so dartin, wno

nas tho appearanco o: boing an alcoholic,

has the

roputation locally.or furnishing

Incorroit infornation to law antorcomoni

officors, attornoys..o.c.

DATAILS

OF INVESTICAPION

t 5:00 p.I. on

s 11-24-63 Donald Mitcholl, 15015 Gonoral

Taylor Sü.,

dow Orleans (rear basement

apartmont),

callod

at ¿lo officó and was Intervierod'by róporting agont.

kitcholl stated that ha charos this apartnont ilin

Ir. Mitcholl advised also

Emas tho tciophono In this apertmont 1s 1n tho naro os

lanas de kennas Anchatant District Attornoy, Parish 01

orloens,

sor tho s dason

that dr. Koninan

formoriy sinarod tho

apartmont v1th j. Phillp Sinin but that

Toninen rocenily narriod end tuvod iros tho apertuont...

Tho

Colopiono sundar 1n question 18 IWinbrook 1-8703.

=

siringaio Intorvien vith.Mr. kitchell ho stated that s0=0

DIETRINUTION

VộC j

COPIES,

REPORT MADEAY

Chione

11051 ENgl

tath

•DATE

Dallas

• Cole

APPROVED

•2iC0t0

-CRI

12-13-63

DATE

620

12-13-53

"'' CONTINUL ON PLAN PAPERS

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MARTIN

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Pazo

Tio!

12-13-63

¿1=o durinz tho aftornoon of Sunday. 11-24-63 Jorry Stoln an-

siórod tho tolophono in thoir epartuont;

was ondovoring to contact liornan s. johinan,

that tho porson calling

at tho canon ho yao taylão to gor 19 touon

omplaining o sioin

That toninn

had written

with Kohlman wis

a story about an

"ЗАР?Ї" ;

that "raRRyn vas a hypnotist and had oithor taught or

had corothing to do with luald being taught how to use rillos

viüh toloccopia Ionsos, also indicating that "FARPY" had a col-

•ection of riflos.

Ino callor alóo infornod stoin thad nraapya

nad boon in dallas ibout dio vooks príor to 11-24-63 and that

"ARRy" had boen corrosponding with Oswaldo: Accordingigo li.

¿Licholi, the porson making this

MUACK" → no last nano LiveR.

tolophono call said his aazo

¡Subsoquont to the Intorvier sith Donald Mitcholl, sevoral àt

topes woro nado to contact Homas S. Kollnas,

¡o 11:00 pot. on Il-27,-63 a tolophono call was racoivod froa

Philly

7o Plated Shat

ño said io did not know "Jackign last nano.

tho fal had boon invostliating

"FARPY" sOvorai

100%0 prior to 11-24-63; that MARRY"'Is sald to Do an alrplaDo

pilot and allogodly bas

Elon supplios to cuba.

Stoin statod

that jack" told hit that "rappy" was said to have bood in

Dallas Govaral wooko protiously surthos, that "FAnnY" 15 el

stoin statod that no was told by Jacke

tiat nEARRY" has boon training sono Civil AlI Patrol bOyS In

tho uso of forolga nado arms and allogodly trainod Oswald 1a

Eno use of a r1fle.

stoin statod

that REARRIn is said to bo rathor Intolligont;

shat he allogodly has a pid dogroo and isa hypnotist.

paze that hormen Se Koninan, a

foraor noispajor conortor, had

vitton a cort aboui "MARtY" about to Joars ago end that tho

story had appoarod in "to Pince-ll caruno.",

a Now Orloars

stoin diated that,

according to jack",

"TAiny" is allogod to havo boon cornunicating with oswald

and tint bois voro allogodly ongagod in the

sano typo oi vóric.

do said that "Pinny" las baliovod to be living in tho louisiana

¡vorao Parkiay ar0a, New Orleans.

1: 22:10 p.n. on 11-24-63 roportiñg agoni rocoivod a tolophono

call Ison Horren s. Kohlnan.

that ho was an

Assistant

District duornoy for tho parish of Orloand and that he las

calling froa tho District Attornovis offico.:

It has apparent

¿nao dro kohlman was roluctant to talk cbout aranni".

Fo finally

"horovos, thai the Districi Attornoyis offico was conducting

an Invostigailon on thols own nth sonard to "Pinnin; that "farry":

Is actually David FoariO CHi M; 42: 195: 5-11; WOar

a 1:1g, "haviag

cufforod 1030 01 hair la blotohoo).

Ho dald that forrio hoo c

cocord at tho dow orload Polico popto -Durosu of Idontification,

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Pago Throo

12-13-63::

that ño had boon arrosted soñoral timos and charzod vich moral

o=consos involting young bojo.

Ho said that " Forrio at ono tino.":

I1ad on dthórtos

DIVO In HOLaLIlO, La.,

"A suburb of Now Orloanso

in. Hohinan statod that at tho thno of hlú tolophono contoriation

viai no his offico had con Pólico Officors (invostigatoro for tho

Districo Autornogis offico) scouring tho city for David Forrio

¿no that in the evont forrio was pickod us ho would notift to.

Co roquest vas nado of in Honina that fourio lo pickod up aad

hold for this Servioo.:

do 22:35 dago On 12-25-63 Asgistant District Attörnor Horman s.

Konimon colophoned tno soporting agon aû his rosiconco, aù solca

vino no advisod that ha had raccivod information to ino aifocu

¿rat David Millian Forrio had Lord los Dallas on Friday 11-22-63

during tho astornoon,

¿ravolling In a light bluo, Cocot. "He also

satisod cat forrio reportodly had a plano and nay stilliharo 1u.

Dio said that do tho timo of hio

convorsation vich no

Forrlo was alloganly on lio ay baci to Now orloans.

Ti Kohnáo stated thát it ras'his infornation that Harvey 100

•Orald was in Forbield Civil Air Patrol group in Now Orloans

•sono years ago; that ferrio allegodly had a fraudulent charter

and that too Civil Aoronanilos Board chocicad On 14°-

Mica tressed lor the full nato of the inforuant thus lar referred

to. oñly as.

"jackudio, soninan statod that he was "just a 10110"

•¿io torted arounditho Polico ricadquartörs building" and that "jacka

did'not want to bocono Involvod In this invostigation and for that

ruson did not want his nano mortionod ia any way.

was, Inforued that njack" would have to

bo intorviowod in porson

o coprosantativos of this sorvico.

TunIng the lat0 altornoon

0f 11-25-63 51I0 tico roccirod a tolophoso

cadl

from Hernan So Ronluan,

advising that David Ferrio had boos

pickoà un by roprosoniativos of tho orloans Parish District Attoriorio

and that de jan boing questionod in tho Districù Attornoy's

offico at that tino. ' in. Kohluon iñforned SAIC PICO that porrio i

viola shortly do brought to ino first District PolIco Station,

Horo ho would be booked.

"M MonA nim.. on 11-25-63 SAIC RICe and soporting

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Pago

Four

32-23-63,

David willlan ferrió statod that won ho was onplogod by Eastars

san Antonio, corpus

and broinsville and various intornadiato pointo: that no so=o

Christs

Cos flOW to soN York via nilanta and Machinctone

Forrio insistod that hovas In' Now Orleans on Thursday, jovonbor 21,1

1953 and on Fridat, lovembor 22, 1963, until about 9:00 p.u.

sand that ho is postilro that ho vas in new Orloars on tho dates

=cationod occauãs lo had boon iñ couri in connection viúh a trial'

involving CarLos dai ?110.

Ho said that no-doparted How Orloam,

abous 9:00 D.u. on 11-22-03 andirovo to Houston and Galvoston,

rich tio companions;

ота,

havan Boaubouef,

about 19 or 20 y0ar3

and volviñ Coffor, aboút 26

C0 25 50aT5 Oli, 618 N.

10+co Stor

Now Orloana; that ho vas driviag

= 1951 bluo comet L-door station lagon with 1963 Louislana I1coas0.

having bought tho car fron Dolta Mercur, Incoi

2201 Canal-Sto,

"ow orloans, about threa of sour nocks proviously -Churles Granas,

Sanessar-

Farrio stated that ho and hir tuo companions mentionca arovo roo

bronud to lo: Orloan about 9:30 P.

CheñOG AtTOrnoy G. HrEy Gill loy thon hé 1s caplojed as an Invos

tigatos) soveral dinos; that at Gillis suggestion de left dow

Orlours soont midnight

thai sano date and drovo to Marmond, 100,

220no, more no siagod aù tho dolloray suith hall on sycanóro

Sircot, at thē Southoastern Louisiaña Collogo, inoro no has a

¿riona,

andor a Doctor Nichols;

Thomas compton, who does careere a marcotics addiction

andor a Fodoral

Ko sala no lozt

Hammond about 1:00 pon: 03 11-25-03 andarrited Now Orleans about

3:00 ?oa.; thaü inmodiatoly upon arriving at New Orloaró ne cono

cued nicorney Gill, who accompanied him to the Orleans

District Attorney's office, moro

he sas wanted for

In connection tith tho Osvald case.

,9u0st}

During tho intorvion with forrio by snIC Rico and mysoll no statod

¡hai no bad lost Nor Orloars on 10-11-63 via Taca Alr IInos 10r.

Giatemala

and had'roturod via tho sana lino, arriving loir 0r10233

0n10-18-53.

Ho stutod that ho again loft No: Orloans on 10-30-03

Via ruca dis Linos Ior Guatonala, rotuning via the sano routo,

assiving Not 0r10273. 02. 21-1-63.

forrio indioatod that ho had

=ado dioto trios to Guatonala for detornoy G. iray G112 and that

→no tales involvod somo lavostigativo work havine to do with tho

Carlos Mabc0lio caso.1.

Dardullian Torrio caplatically doniod thát ho had boon 1s

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Intorvion with davia million Forrio vas about to ona no

statod that ho had a vory good idoa uno had roportod him'as having

ascoölatod inüh Osuald, training hiú in tho uso of ri91os viva

Jack So Martin,

Molescople 10n595ã0 rosides at thocorao of boplarado

that ho san firmly convinood that ono

Prious suceet, had dade this false ropori concerninz his.

Ho stated that lurtin makosa practico of hanging arouna uns.

of various attorneys,

noia Locally for iurniching false loads

CowS TOOdLo laN enforcasant

otco, and 15 well

offIcers, attornogs, otc.

subsoquont to our Intorview dion forrio on the night of 11-25-63

no was intortioned by fBI lgenta at tro. First District Polico

station.

On 21-26-53 1t in0 loarned to FBI Moonto had tallod with Jack Se

vino admitios that no had ocon to infornant wits

to David Willian Forrie; that turtin

had adnitiod to Fligonts

nai tho information thich ho had furnishod Arsistant District

Attorney kohlaan was a figmont of his laugination and trat ho had.

=do to tho guory altor caddng tho narspagors and watching tolo-

that he ronemoored that dohlman, a former novabaper caportora

nad isitton an article or siory acout forrio a coúplo of joars ago

and that ho

piccoa thó wold thing together. In his mind and bad

•giron it to konnan as lactõ.:

0n tho night of 11-29-63 SAIC Rico and reporting agent interriorod

jack so Martit au longth in his chall rua-down agarinant locatod at

1521 i. Pricur Stroot,

Now Orloans, which ho shares with his viso

and S-goar old son.

Martin, Wao has ovory appcarinco of benz an

ciconolic, adnittod auring tho incorvior thit ho suffors fron

"¿clephonitis" when drinting and that lù vas during ono of his

¿rinking sproes that ho tolophonod' Assistant District Attorney

HornadS. Kohlan and told hin this fantastic'story abou lillian

'David sorrie beind

nvolved. ulth ico Harvor. Ostala.

ilo said ha

sad acaod on tolovision that Oswald had it

intho caril dis ?zurol and had lator hoard that Torrio had beea.

his Squacion Connaador.

Marcia Ttatod that forrlo vas well kaoim

to his; that ho recallod having seon riflos in forriors hono and.

a1s0 recalled that koniran had tritton an articlo on forrio and

that Torris had boon a Marino and had boen with tic Civil dir

P35r01.

Martin sundod that altor turning all thoso thoughts ovor

¡ñ his mind, ho had tolophonod Hormon S. Koklnan and told his story

a5 though 1t vas "basod on facts rathor than on his inagination.

2o 0i tha above, this shasa of the Ivestigation savediti

jillanu david forcio 1111 bo considorod olosod

UNDRUETOPAD LEADS

CR8./020

ronains opon at dew Orloads bonding subnission of scieral.

acditional toposes.

covoring Invotination thus car conducto

=cor unica tho caco sI bo closoa horo and Invostigation dis-

cortinuod in accordanco with Chiogis inotruotions'"

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FACTUAL BACKOROUND FOR REASONS STATED

_ IN DISCHARCE, OF CAPTAIN PERRIE

Ao.

During 1961 and 1962 the following criminal charges were brought against

Captain Ferris in Orleans and Jefferson Parish, based on sworn affidavite

of complaining witnessess

Orleane

1o. 173-891 - Extortion - Nolle Prosequied, January 4, 1963

2. 171-957 - Public Intimidation of State üitness - Nolle Prosequied,

January. 4, 1963

3. 68056 and 68057 - Crime Against Nature - Nolle Prosequied,

November 5, 1962

jefferson

1. 10304, 10305, 20300, 10307 - Indecent Behavior With a Juvenile

and Contributing to the Delinquency of a linor, all

Nolle Prosequied, November 5, 1962

2. 10308 - Not uilty, February 23, 1962

3a 10482 and 10483 - Charges Unknown - Nolle Prosenuied, November 5, 1962

Bo

The following Infomation, which should have been revealed in the application

for employment or on the pre-employment physical oxadnation form, vas discovered

during the Investigation conducted as a result of the above criminal charges.

lo In November 1944 the St. Charles Seminary refused to allow

Fersia to continue in the Serdnary because of his enotional

Instability.

Thereafter, Ferrie was treateifor his mental problems by

Dr. A. Ko Cardner and Dr. Wilford G1ll of Cleveland, Chio.

3. After the above treatment, Ferrie reapplied at St. Charles

Seninary, but nas refused admittance.

Over a period of years

Ferris has attempted to gain admittance to other seminaries but

han been rafused on the basia of his record at St. Charles.

Prior to applying at Fastern, Ferrie had been employed at Rocky

River High School.

In 1941 Ferrie suffered severely from asthma and hay fever, which

he controlled by coministering shots to himsell.

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MEMORANDUM

62

dupt.

March 8, 1967

FERRIE

TO :

FROM:

RE:

JIM GARRISON

SGT. T. DUFFY AND DET. C. NAVARRE

INTERVIEW OF MIKE FINNEY, RESIDING AT 1418 BEHRMAN,

ALGIERS, LOUISIANA, TELEPHONE 361-5857 ON MARCH 6, 1967.

Mr. FINNEY was interviewed in regard to his connection

with the Civil Air Patrol.

MI. FINNEY stated that he joined the

CAP in 1958 and was in the New Orleans Airport Squadron.

This

was the first time he had met DAVE FERRIE. He was also in the

original Falcon Squadron that DAVE FERRIE had formed.

There

were originally about ten men in this outfit.

He stated that he

remained in the Falcon Squadron until about 1961, when he found

out that this was not a valid branch of the CAP.

Mr. FINNEY

stated that while he was connected with the CAP he had never

met OSWALD or had never heard his name mentioned.

He

also stated

that a Mr. LARRY ATKINSON was a friend of DAVE FERRIE'S at

this time.

He also stated that a MI.. AL CHERAMIE was in the

New Orleans Squadron and that he was a very close friend of

DAVE FERRIE'S. It is his recollection that AL CHERAMIE joined

the Marine Corp in the summer of 1962,

He also stated that he knew a JOHNNY JOHNSON who was

member of the squadron at that time and that JOHNSON as "far

knows is a student at Tulane University at this time.

He stated

that JOHNSON lives somewhere either in Algiers or Gretna. He

may live on Newton Street.

FINNEY stated that a MAJOR MORRELL was the head of the

CAP, New Orleans Squadron, and that he was also a very good

friend of FERRIE'S.

He also stated that JOHNNY JOHNSON'S

mother had told him that FERRIE helped MORRELL a number of times

with many problems. At this time MORRELL was a shoe salesman in

New Orleans and it is his understanding that MORRELL left

New Orleans and is staying somewhere in Texas.

He stated that on occasions when he was in the CAP

he

stayed overnight at DAVE FERRIE'S house. JOHNNY JOHNSON

and AL CHERAMIE also stayed at DAVE FERRIE'S: house overnight.

He stated that a BOB BOYLSTON was a Cadet Commander in the CAP,

and he was also a very good friend of FERRIE'S, as were JOHN

IRION AND AL LANDRY.

It is MI. FINNEY'S understanding that DAVE FERRIE

had a disagreement with MAJOR MORRELL and at this time FERRIE

broke away from the New Orleans Squadron and formed the Falcon

Squadron.

While in this office, FINNEY was shown pictures of

OSWALD, CLAY SHAW, GUY BANISTER, and several others, and he coula

identify only DAVE FERRIE:

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August 1, 1961

Mr. Corgio Arcacha nith

Cuban Lenocratic revolutionary Dront

27 Lalber Building

New urleans, Louisiana

Dear ir. Gaith:

The requeat made in jour letter of duly la to Captata Rickenbacker has

beon giver

carefil congáderation.

Untortunately ve vijl be mablo to ziro Cactaár Percio a lome at this

tine for sovarat reasons.

In the firat place, our Clicht erove are all

badly ncoded at the present tine due to the volune of our fligt opera-

tlon this time of gear.

in midition to this fack, lastern found it

vocaseary saveral yoars ago te establish a polion of not rurting loaves

of shaonce with pay for aay political reason.

This rolley has been

followed for many vears regardless of tre. Company's sympathies for the

political cause involved.

I an sorry we are unable to grant Gautal: Terria & Luave an requasted.

Yours sincerelys

d. F. Halliburton

Executive Vice Fresident:

CÜ: Captain Bo V. Hickenbacker

SC: liessrs. Malcolm A. MacIntyre

C. F. Springer

Glen Harlan

G. E. Griener

I ¿. ludson

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CUSAN DELSOCRATIC RITOLUTIONIIY MON

107 Eulier Elde New Orleasa, Ia

Peace j1 S-5503

13 July 1961

Capt. Lédio V. Rickenbackor,

Ozalzean of the Board

Eastom Air Lisas, Iac.,

New Tori, N.I.

Doar Captala Flakenbockors .

As you knois, the above organiestion 1s the Provisionai

Cuban Governmont,

until such timo so Fidel Castio 1s empollod. It 13 on bahalf

of that orgenization that this lettor of roguost is witton. It is roquested

that you send to us for tho of three sonths your Captain Darid W. Forrlo, Lot

es caplain this roquost.

•thes tho F.R.D. has olginally organised, under the

desands of the U.S. soronment,

the P.R.D. was to "irant" for tho efforts of

tho c.I.t, to rainststo donocratic soveruzant in Cuba. Ino olfort of April 17

failed, a3 you knos. Thareafter, tho sorale of the Cubans 17 exilo, and the

Underground withia Cuba full to zoro. Tea aleng cone Captain Ferrio. Fo

otrongly prodded out uholo orzanization until 1t me rovitalisod. Therealter,

dissidont alonents vors rnoved. Fund collocting bogan. The Underground was

roorganised and tha ro harassuent of Castro has bagun.

Lilorts to unscat Castro hare been procesding

along the "paranilitam" lines outlined by Proaldent Remedy, and ithin the

srancor of the U.S. Neutrality Act. At this tiro our efforts ars noaring

a alta1a. line this alimo is recohod tho prostica of Castro should bocoro

rapidly untenablo thoroatter. Our disruptions of corisin imports have already

arcatod subarantial untost.

No labor undor a sovero ting handicap. At this tira

thoro aro 45 816 15 aireralü, 45 Mig 17, and to hero dom 3 k1g 19. Ho aro

cortain of tho Ipill hard" installationo. Nunrous bateroraft aro hold by

Castro. Tro whole 1s to du'aimed at tho Ropublic of Panara In Doccabor hon

tho U.S. la tied dom in Borlin. Inaroforo, to must sova intolligently vita

epocd. Cubens eust rotato Cuba lor the cala of all the haaricao.

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sirrigorating of our progres las the result of the prodding of

Captain Ferrie, und his associaics, hore in low Orleans. Through hiin wo

ahlo to got the best advice in affairs political, economic and

further,

he has helfad us stralghten othor affairs. As a result

our organization is running

suspother avary day and our operations havo

begun. In addition Captain Forlo has been assisting in obtaining needed

aquipsent. Ilkowise, ho has boon assisting in the handling of the refuges.

Since events aro auproaching a clines no soraly need his advico on e

day to day basis. Knowing your own often duonstratod patriotise, to an

questing that Captain "orrle be givon either a 60 or 90 day leava with

pay so that the work at hand ean bo complotod. At this tino he holds in his

hands so many threads which portain to the socurity of the Caribean area that

no roasonable substitution could bo asde.

He hope that you will rovlew this roquost with favor. Ilkewise, uny

othorhelp or sorico which you nay give us vill bo greatly appreciatod.

KULARIOLO

SERGIO APCACHA EURE GACIGA

Official Dolerada

ORLEAN:

Punte Rovolucilario Desceatico

Medeanlala 9l3%

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Gnly Catholic Apuatolic Church

SACRED CONGREGATION OF THE CONSISTORY

PATRIARCHY OF ANTIOCH

GOV. OF INDIA, ACT XXI OF 1860 A.D.

ORTHODOX

Chancellor's Office,

Province of N.A.,

603 Cecil Avenue,

Louisville

II, ly.

Jan. Ith, I962 A.D.

THE MOST REVEREND MAR

CHRISTOPHER M. STANLEY, D.D., O.S.J.

ARCHBISHOP PRIMATE OF N. A.

THE MOST REVEREND

MOR. CYRIL T. OMMARA, D.D., O.S.J.

VICAR-GEMERAL

THE MOST REVEREND

MGR. RUPERTUS PITT-KETHLEY, D.D., O.S.J.

DEAN OF CONSISTORY

THE RT. REVEREND

MGR. PAUL GREGORY MASKALE. D.D., O.5.J.

PROVINCIAL CHANCELLOR OF N. A.

THE MOST REVEREND

MGR. JOHN C. DUFFY, D.D., O.5.J.

CHAIRMAN OF HOLY SYNOD

Capt. Griner,

Flight Commander,

International Air

Eastern Air Iines Port,

New Orleans, Louisiana

Dear Sir,

This office wishes to thank you for the

information regarding the former PilotDavid

William Ferrie. Mis mistake on my part has

caused me serious reflection upon my episcopate

and Churches I consecrated him upon the recomendation of Archbishop John,

J.S.rartin,or as of yesterday ex-Archbishop as our Holy Synod degraded him

cast hin out of the clergy and Church in America. The same also was pre-

sented ferrie Neither of them are in no way connected with our Holy Synod or

Churches.

Please forward to this office the out come of the case of Ferrie that you

said was being tried on the lith of January. Thanking you once again for your

kind information in this matter.I am

Siricerely Yours

Archbishoo Private of North imerica.

Byzantine Patriarchy of Antioch,1.5,

Catholic Apostolic Orthodox Church.

CONSIGNATUS IN TABULIS

POTATOR EUROPE TE

+ Supe

Cane:

Cimura DD

lariuss

MARCH OF ARETE

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DISTRICT ATTORNEY

PARISH OF ORLEANS

STATE OF LOUISIANA

2700 TULANE AVENUE

NEW ORLEANS, 19

JIM GARRISON

DISTRICI AITORNEY

November 7, 1962

119/62

→i Stane

Mr. William Bell

Legal Department

Eastern Airlines

Miami International Airport

Miami, Florida

S7 Seen tadon

Re: David William Ferrie

Dear Mr. Bell:

In response to your request of November 7, 1962,

I have

ascertained the status of the cases pending

against David William Ferrie.

In case No. 171-957,

Section "H", Ferrie is charged

with public intimidation of a State witness in a

case pending against Ferrie..

In that case Ferrie

was arraigned on September 26, 1961. HOwever 1952.

case was never sent to trial.

On November 5,

the complaining witness made an affidavit requesting

that the

charges be dismissed.

This office has not

yet made a decision with regard to that affidavit.

In case No. 173-891, Ferrie is charged with extortion.

On March 13, 1962,

the defendant was arraigned.

November 5, 1962, complaining witness made

an affidavit

that he did not wish to prosecute the defendant.

office has not yet made a decision in regard to that

affidavit.

These cases will not come up in the normal course of

the docket.

very truly fours,

IM GARRISON

DISTRICT ATTORNEY

JG/jC

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JACK HARE I,

32 past Third St.

YMCA HOTEL

Moores town, New Jersey.

MOME

-826--SOUTH-WABASH AVENUE • CHICAGO SEILLINOIS

Saturday, 20th July 1963

Fon. William Bell,

Legal Council, Atty,

Eastern Air Lines,

Miami International Airport,

Miami, Fla.

My Dear Mister Bell:

Misgr. Brown,

of the storm brewing.

seems that "archbishon"

Marchenna, who'se about to be thrown to the wolves

by the clersy of that church, in favor of its true

primate, Archbishop, Cyrus augustine Starkey, phoned

this guy, Bishop Eyde in Washington

and blew

the

whistle on things.

that Ferrie never

made the scene, as it were.

It seems

that Hyde,

Mar Chenna,

and some other people

ried to take this Church (Old Roman Catholic) over

but it failed.

According to the American year book of Churches and

other official sorces, the true Archbishop-Primate

Most Reverend Cyrus Augustine Starkey,

32 East Third Street,

Moorestown, New Jersey.

It seems after my alert to him (Starkey), he sent in

his Apostolic Legate... a Father Mario, whose down

in Kankakee now straightening things

out but good...

the very idea, holding a synod to kick out the trus

head of things...heh.

The main instigators

seem to have been Ferrie, who once

offered Starley $1, 000.00 if he'a ordain him (Ferrie),

Hyde, and this nigger, Marchenna.

Now grape-vine has it that Bishop Eyde, who has valid

Orthodox Foly Orders (Valette line) may still try to

Inexpensive Living With FRIENDLY People

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again attempt ordination of Ferrie

there where

Hyde now lives:

Rev. George A. hyde

1657 Parks Road,

North West,

Washington 10, D.C.

I also have information that Hyde is under obsertation

of the police morals squad (vice) there in Washington.

Moreover,

he's being watched by the Evening Star, a

newspaper there.

If you put the heat to lyde,

with some of your bull dog

ex-fed investigators Fyde will crack...he's weak...Anc

he may turn over some of Ferrie's old letteis to you as

evidence.

This fur Joseph A Cater, de Jod oster dantos of lettel

Audubon Building there In New Orleans has

s that I, once talked Hyde out of...which were written by

Ferrie to Fyde, requesting ordination.

Since then Ferrie

boosted the anit anti... the price must have been righi..

of sonething.

Your Friend,

Martin

PS: I'LE BE AT STARKEY'S FOUSE FOR AWHILE APTER LEAVING

FERE...SO PLEASE, IN YOU CARE VRITE LE THERE:

Jack Martin,

c/o Starkey,

32 East Third St.,

Moorestown, N. J.

PPS:

Are you any relation to:

William Dunstan Bell....?

Dhad a long talk with Robey + Sile, 1.

ober lunch in D pissed Threat D.C. Cus

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YMCA HOTEL

3000. ROOMSE

FOR MEN • WOMEN

AND FAMILIES

20 AUL

-U.S./AIR ME

886 Sauth Wabash Avenue

CHICAGO

5, ILLINOIS

How. Um. Beni,

ATTORNEY -COUNCIL

EASTERN AIR LINES

ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES

MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT

MIAMI, FLA.

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NOTICE

LETTERS MAILED

IN HOTEL ENVELOPES

IF NOT DELIVERED ARE SENT

THE WETTER GIVES A RELEN ADDRESS

IF NOT DELIVERED IN — DAYS RETURN TO

JACK MARTIN

1O STARKEY,

32 EAST THIRD SiT.

MOORESTOLON ROD.

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April 3, 196°

To: Kr. Wi. Glen Harian

In the January 31, 1963 report fron Southern Research Company

is the following reference:

"As a resull of direct contact by mail, a letter was received

from Mr. Vernon D. IcAninch,

Anerican Vice Consul, Napdes,

Italy, dated Decenber 17, 1962.

The following is quoted iron

this letter:

'According to the intomation availuble at the Consinte

Cereral the Phoenix Universiüy no jonger exists.

It was

lomerly operuted by a mon by the name of Francesco droroso

D'Aragona, who cleo opcrated several other 'universities'

in Italy.

The instiintion was not accidited and according

to

the Italian authorities confered "orthless acudenic titles

as well as titles of nonci, also ci little value. '"

Captain Ferzie has taken the position that he has a Ph.D. and

a legitimato one.

theratore, we would appreciate your dotaining

the original oi tinis loster.

WIllian G. Bell, er.

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Lay 1d. 1901

Draft BoarO o. 33

clevolesd..Gudo

Goaclonce:

tho naderoscao. horouy sortiy

DAVTO TEEEEOOEOOtOTOS DE CiFanS

cüarene eo se. Cuarie0 Ionbnary, Corthagena.

cháo.

HO O 0 IO0 G00CHO0 BêCn1 C0l&1a-01000

Coliogo. Rorcs, Caso, €11l Jano 10. 1912.

Roopaetiully".

(Rov.) Jocoph a. Ronling.

3o0t0r.

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NEW ORLEANS POLICE DEPARTMENT

I Arrest Number District

ARREST REPORT

469

3

Last

Name

First

Middle.

Martens

Layton

Item No.

H-13903-61

7

Residence

6037 Laurel St.

Show Arrest Credit

ALIAS:

Complainant and Address

Street No. & Street

City, Parish, County

State

Arrested

Place

Location

Spanish

FE

BIva &c

Central

Park

RS 14 Art 107 See 3& 7 Vagrancy

loitering pending

investigation

OI

Patn

Burglary

Hold for FBI

Arrested

Date

Dist.

Zone

3

30 61

Arresting

officers and

where assigned

Time

12:05 A.M.

P.M

E

Lee

Ryan

Tact

Birthplace (City and State)

NO La.

Occupation

None

Remarks:

Birth Date

219.43

Race

W

Arrested with

Melvin Seeling

Sex

M

Age

18

Height

680

Weight

145

Andrew Blackmon IMPS.

Eyes

Brn

Hair

Comp.

Br

Ruddy

JZ 8235,

This subject and Seeling and Blackmon found in 1961 Plymouth 1961 Lic.r

parked near shopping center in Lake Vista.

The

Layton Martens is second in command to one ACACHA SMITH,

car belongs to Seeling

conducting a counter-revolution movenent in N.0.,

112 Egret, who is

42so condected with

this organization

is one

assinst ridel castro of cuba.

-331 Atherton Drive,

Metarie,

43 of

12.g

who was driven by the three men

on Thu Din been in seclines

car to ACACHA SMITH'S residence at 112 Egret, a short while before being found

by the shopping center by Officers Lee and Ryan.

for Attompt Theft of an airplane.

CAP TAIN DAVE FERRTS iS JESte

FBI notified.

Fingerprint Classification

Disposition

2217W

100

3W.001

Left Hand

1.2

13

113

By A. D.A.

Inte

N.O.P.D.

Number

105 377

Right Hand

F.B.I. Number

8/30/61

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3 M.c.

102437 S

Iten Fo2007001

Statenono ed ario Ndcnael Groucdos WM Age 16, sesidtig

ralative to an investigation of riunese intinidation.

5505 Merais 806

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8: -:24134

Hy nads 15

Eoje Crouchet and I Hithoud Shroats

or prondaes

2ake

folioning statemené and will

anaser all questione ashod

#a?

th3

Go can you ezolain nao occurod shile you vere

at work jesterdsy?

Is was asout. 2:1.524

AugUsü 23, 1901g

I Wes

oringing soue stock

to tho froaò

of the acore wbere I work and I sex Copt Ferrie

coma walking do tha Cigareste countes

Copo Ferzie came up to ne

and pekod ne

i i could

bsil hin oude

lie told me dt fizor;

anor you got de

In brouble".

R301

I toid hin that i didn't knows

He told me that he ind

seon his lawyer and toat Caure wes.

&NEY

oud without any body sotting hurt.

= answe.ou, yod.

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and he safd thai this could bo arrangsue

I was woriing wità

Tiro

iraneis Fugiia on the displays and iir.

forsie told ne that

he nantud

ne t0 meet

this follow who-was with hac,

Jerzie

introdused this

22:

es the cuban who mas guppose do so vishne to

dic ande

Me üold ma the

nen's aubus navês

buo I dianle zemenber it.

I want io thoon sode

tтa5h

ax3y

and

when I cons back,

Cacù Ferzia

was woicing in isle nunber

8 cê the ctorze

Caot Ferrie hod a slip of pappor, whicb wor typeod

Gpat Feszle rantod me to. sign tnio paporg

Lagitaseie Jajing

that evenychiag 1 had said to the

FoliGE, Nes.

nade out of angei

soward hico Gapt ferrie sold no i1 i sagaed

the slip of gopes,

]

could nane my cicites and get anythung I vanted,

Gant rosuáe dold me

CE 28 M G7CN E 3880 662 P3DER 4 W68. 39434

to hara a buoch af fabems

1 15 B s ha

Tsárned tho paber and l remborod soeing mir nene tygeo

in iüo

it beeauss I nos airtid,

Capd Forria and tuls

obaer nen vere in

the store about hò ainuses fron about 2:25 do 3:0024e

Gapo Esrria talked 5o

n3

about 15 os 20 ninutes of tiis tlne.

Aeout 5 ninubos after 310004, J.Uno.

going to the liouor store and I

sau caothar mon sitting in a greon 1050 ford parked on Saftán Avoi,

ai tho aida of Crunís ürug 50oc0.

It looked like

the Captaine cere

I dicinig saa dau Ferrie anguora munuil crbor 5:00001g Mien & Inoiko

od off, I ment suruiakb home and changod clochea snd cadie cach üo

the stora to sou souo cigarautcê.

I aouicad Capt Farrie porked in

hie caz imôrninn on the side of Grunle Drug store und he was calling

NE OVEE.

Ferris Ra3

sitting ir. the sac,

with the seme persor whe

was in the store ecglier vich haño

There wag andther guy i? Lie eaag

sng laonud lilo una one i anse analier during the duyo

Eept Ferria

iszed so shet i vantea frau tre Gubens and

1esid thes a chono laaoo

Tiexisiked mue &

ascona Time and I askod mua. li.a notor caole woa too

mich

and he srid nde

He toid

us that he rould contact no acaltg

Ho told me thno he noulá lile to

take ne dowa to soct vr, rrcocha

Smitt,

aues on thurscays

Saù i toid nie that & had to sork toduys

Re told de thab ne hud

thgo sick up song thinges nu tae cctudr

Buslding and had to rush,

xhon de nadded ne to cimd oho papoay

he

iolà me

unas Ime soludnr co bis Molie and bazooka so.

parzia boi

no thao ona of che fubonle sooh hin vos e sarasbeopar Ghet 1212euu

in she Tiywr invusion ci Üutra

"Continued.

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con you describo the car woo was wish terrie in the stone?

•he une tall, be uns cara completed and he had a short nair cut.

He had biwe jeans ona

and Me was misage

So Gould jou areadily this man if cou saw Mia again?

i coulde

Did you hoa?

Yes.

shis

aan speak?

i dontt recenber

if at sid en asdent.

Did you bens

the Capt tolk to this san?

tego

epoke in Anglich to hina

Gen you

dossribe the boy in the car?

He was above

20

59117 0r 696.

He

had

he had blond hoir and was about

a guns fatigue cip oi

he was wearing grey

panto and a tushiri, a brey vest, a long slooya veat with 4

jutions

an the condon.

no spole wash an eccent?.

but I didn't lientify. the

ascent.

He said what he had boon beer about

two neers.

do Mos do you on nbat timo it

the Ca rain cade

see you

eit the score?

Á. I looked at cha clock and 16 wes about 2:152M,

do Did you tell anyone that ferrie come to soo you?

L went to les Al landry a house and told aim that Ferrie came to sea

at the store.

Landry wanted to take no to the duvenila Burgau,

sold hin thes I nould rather veit until tomorro

I also told

my socher about is and she bold de to coll the police.

I told Air,

dandry to call mulis

the police.

Eis

Is this stevenont trus and correct do the best of your knowledge?

Ics;

Gres

Eric

Tucked Creela

Michael Grouchet

statonant taken in üha presence of Pain Roland Journier and. Pasn

Charias Jonau, typercitten and compisted

# 1l14541.

Questions buy

Officars Fournier and donar.

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Fish

This offense is declared: Unfounded -

contributing to beizequeroy

Auguas 5:

Offense Intariceedes

Baie of offense to August 1o, 2JenNo 159507-1

- Cleared by arrest - ISK

_ Not cleared

Partly cleared

Cleared by

identification

(If property is involved, show here, type and value of property recovered, c if the case may be, additional property reported stolen)

STOLEN

RECOVERED

Currency and negotiables

Jewelry and precious metals

Furs

Clothing •

Miscellaneous

Care

(Include costume jewelry)

TOTAL VALUE

(FULLY DESCRIBE STOLEN OR RECOVERED PROPERTY (Serial No., Brand, Etc.) under "Details" below.

en thursday morning august 24g 2901, Ivestigating officeo recrived

a phone call from

stated that Juvenile Michael

told of being contacied by David Forcie.

Ferrie sas trying to get him (Grouchot) to drop the charges.

Ing boy tomo Investigates

officora innediaiely contacted lichael crouchet at his curloyers by phones

Crouchet sated ühut Ferzze cans to the store where he is curloyed, at 5523

Sto Claude Avee, at 2:1554 August 23, 19510

According do Crouches, Feirdo

the recent invasion of Cuis.

as crouchen stated, abled hin to bign

e paper goating.

the he(touchot) is nade the staterent to the rolice ous of

Grunchee colu

ha ras afradd. Crouchei said also that he told him parenta about, ferries

visio to the sucre altes he inocked off srou wore

ard later that

he went to

see to Masander handsy about it.

Crouchet scated that ho astied

In. Landry so notlly investigating officere.

on August 2l, 1951, Investigating officers vent to Fuglia Super

aikert where croucted is encloyed, and a full üyrewratien scatement. vas

taich Iron nil rolabive to the yielo tado by fenie.

This statement will

beüter erlein the occurrence, which also describes

subject liüh Fessie,

enother nao mag shiting cutside une store in reunies case Crouchet

thought thai one of the unimoin subjects vas loin by the nama indeed

Crouchet steted that Ferrie stayed in the secre fron chout 2:1520 mu

3:00PM, and lates when he (Grouchet) Inoched off, Ferrie was walting ousside

in his caño

Investigating officers spoke with Mr.

coorge d. Miglia Jro,

5523 St. Claude Ave.,

ornice of the Grocery store.

Aro Fuglza staicủ that

Biter Lunch au approxmately 2:391.

he noticed tro men speaking with Crouchet

In the suore.

Furlia identified cao of the subjects as havina rainte

aye brows and was losing his hair, which very dell fius Dave Ferrie. z.

Fuglia identilled the other subjece as being about 20 years old, tali.

Ro Fournier 8-25-53.

Co Jonal 8=25-61

Ita August Co Lang 8-25-61

Investigating Officer

Imvestigating Officer

Commanding Officer

Date

District or Bureau

Juvenile

Juvenile

District or Bureau

District or Bureau

Juvenile

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Investigating officers spoke with ir. Francis Fuglia of 5523 St. Claude:

stated that at approxinately 2:30ru,

two men came into tha store

and were talking wich Crouchet.

16. Fuglia described one of the

subject:

as having spouty hair, wich wes falling out and was about

This descriction given officers by fir.

Francis Fuglia, certainly appears

to be Ferrie.

Francis Fuglia staued also thai this subject nas

painted eyebrozz, and told of enocher subject uno was with uhe subject

with the painsed eyebrows, but could not identily him to vell.

Investigating officers raturned to the Juvenile iureau and notifica

Irmigration authorities.

Inspector Underwood came to the Bureau and

was diven all the information in this matter. . Inspector Undernoon stated

that he knew Arcacha smith and that smath las

en American Citizen, end

thai there was nothing his ciganization could io.

At 1:05PUl August 24, 1951 Invest. Officers received

another call fron

Crouchet,

who stated that David Perrie had cone to see him again.

Crouched

staied that Ferric and anothor subject had just left tim him

after getting him to sign another paper.

Offacers drove inmediately

Ealue Building in an effort to caich Ferrie, but after I hour,

he failed to shot up.

Officers returned to the Juvenile Bureau and

call Crouchet by phone and have him explain Ferrie's sacond visit.

Grouchet stated that he signod something that had the phiase scorat

charnes in it.

Ferrie told Crouchet that if he signed

the statement,

that 10 would keep hin (Grouchat) out of trouble.

Crouchet stated

thai Ferrie had soneone with him with dark hair and believed his name

This unidentifiad subjest was the same one who had cose

into the store with Ferrie the day before

according to crouchet.

Crouchet stated also, that it was about 12:40PM,

and he was coming

from lunch when he saw Ferrie mrked by Cusinano's resturant on st.

Claude Ave, near the Fuglia's super market,

and it a parking loù near

Terries santed crouchet to meet areas satan.

Ferrie toid Crouchat on this second visit, that he

According

to Crouchet,

Ferrie toid hin that he could have any thing he wanüed for signing

ferrie also told croucheù on the

At 3:00F11 investigating officers received as call fron tr. Landry, who

thated thet he recoived

a phone call fron a subject who identified hire

self Es lichael la lot, a friend di his to horse houstor, Texas lea

Landry stated that Mcloy was coning to his

Officers calied ir.

Landry on the roming of August 25, 1951, but loanred that Mcloy did

nơt show up.

On the night of August. 24, 1901 Officer Jonau,

call iron chies varrent Officer O. & Knowlion from Calp behoy donason,

sino stated that to his knowledge the charter held by Ferrie was forged.

Knowlion stated that he check with the National leadquarters in Houston,

Texas and found that their was no charter issued for the letairie Falcon

Squadron.

Officer inoilton stated thet he has received a number of

calls fron parents inquiring of the letairie falcon Squedron.

Investigating officer Jonau called lajor Christion,

of the Civil Air Fatrol in New Orleans. Mejor

Perrie was at one time, quietly removed from the New Crleans Cadet

squadron of the C.h.?.

Agent Strart Sheer of the F.B.I. was notified of the current inforzation

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TESTIONT OF GUY BANISTER

14a00 P: Penn/For s

BY DR. CITE:

From Easter tir Fini

Pe What 1s your name?

fern, tea, frenes

A. Guy Banister-

e. thera do you reside?

A. 7059 Argonne; New Orleans, La.

Q. that is your profession?

A. I an an Investigator and a criminologist.

: Q. Have jois had any special training in these fields?

A. Yes, I have attended numerous i.B.I. schools and other

courses. I have been on the faculty of seeral universities.

@. Have you ever been a member of the F.B.I.?

A. Yes, I was a Special Agent In Charge.

Q. that 1s a Special Agent In Charge?

A. A Special AGent in Charge bears the relationship to other

Agnats, as a General to his Private Soldiers.

a. Are you acqualnted with captain Ferrie?

A. Yes, I am.

Q. How did you firai becone acguainted with Captain Ferrie?

A. I was retained first by him, and then by others, to In-

vestigate the criminal charges made against him. Later I vas to

Investigate the charges made by Fastem Air Lines.

@. Hould you please enumerate the charges, from whatever

source, that you investicated?

A. Firsü I Investizated the criminal charges. I reviered the

file of the district Attorey. I found they had no case and so

Irforned them. I found that Eric Crouchet was not a stable indu

1vidual and was the type who would frighten easily and under those

circumstances do anything that he nas told. I have spoken ridi

him on nunerous occasions. He insists the charges

of crises

against natura are false.

I further learned that the instigator of these changes ves

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visor in some matter. Then she allegadly broke up a soy scout

IroOp. As far as I can find out

next in line was Captain Ferzie,

Nor strangely enough the name lirs. Landiy appears in charges againai

orie Joan Cater.

Behind Mrs. Landry there was nost certanly the Influence

of Communisn. Te tactic of the coununists 1s the big smear and

the attemot te place a moral tumitude tabet on those they visa

to "set". The District Attorney who locked these matters off is

no longer in office. However, he and his Executive Assistant have

held numerous nemberships in organizations identifled by the Con-

gress as Communist Pronts. You sea, by accident, Captain Ferrfe

sturbled onto something big the communists were doing in this

port City of New Orleans. In his patriotism he meant to stop 1t.

Inese charges resulted.

I also went into the matter of the so-called Intinidation

of a Witness Charge and the Extertion Charge, Crouched and Caiers

the two State witnesses, claim this never happened. Both persons

Insist that no such acts occured, no such crimes were committed,

and that they made nor such charges.

Elkenise, I want into Eastern's cherges that Castain

Ferrie made false statements in his employment application. These

allegations proved utterly absurd. I found no employment at

Rochy Paver Higi School, as charged. I found Ferrie left the

seminary over a theolgical disagreement. I found no evidenceos

mental or enotional problena. me charges of an unauthorized

CAP unit vera ridiculons, There never was such an organization

as the "omnipotents". Someone sinply fabricated this. Ferrie's

abilities as a research psychologist are generally recognized.

I could find no "connection" as Bastem calla 1t, betilean Berrie

and the so-called "Chorante cose" which lias nover a case at 211.

I found out thai Ferrie did have a connection with the Landry

case and that was in getting Landay to return hone. Terrie 15

a member of the catholic Church in good standing and has never

been excommunicated, me American Medical Association never heard

of him much less named him to stop precuising redicine. He did

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and was well received.

A. Fave jol fourd any evidence of moral turpitude in

Captain Ferrie?

#. No aiter the most exhuastive search.

lạta

click-out.

Q. Have other persons been interviered in connection with

this case and in regard to noral turpituse?

A. Yes.

na Dace Barton: 1120 2fir6

Latino on 7560

stait.

Q. Kindly enumerata then and tell what you leared?

A. No and irs Barton, St, Thomas Stret, Gretna,

ki. and ra's.

Pinney,

Shirely DriVEs

New Orleans

rs: Alameda Hudson, Vinet Street ElK. GKu ime (e)

Janice Walder, of Lovola Univarsity

Mrs. Welgard,

Robert E. Lee bid, deir Orleans

Mrs.

Martens, Nashville Street, New Orleans,

Lawrence larsh, Transcontinental Drive New Orleans

Johnny Johnson, st. Tomas Street, Gretna.

Layton Martens, Lafayette, Louisiana

Catherine Carter, & nurse

John compbell, Loyola üniversity lew Orleans, La

FEV. Father Maquin, fommely Our Lady Perpetual Help

Rev.

rather John lulahy, Loyola University.

Pov. Father Arjontila, now of Raceland, Iu.

and everyone of these persons Interviewed regarded Captain Perrie

as just, honest, trustorthy, hicaly moral, rellgious and in general

a credit to hinself, his cormunits, his airitre and his profession.

This lisi could to on and on. It 15 only a pastial liso of those

intervlewed. Some of these nares should be withheld at this time

In case this matter goes to the Federal Courts.

Q. Is there any labor problem involved in this case?

A. Certain infornation suzzests this possiblllty. It

seems that Eastern Air Iines and American Air Lines have been

attempting a nerger. Aberican is allegely sponsoring an Allied

Pilots Association In an attorat to "break" Api on Amerteara

Feports Indicate thai

similar noves are underay on Eastern

Iooking foniard towand the berger. In this case, lt 1s reported:

Eastern is autoupting to introduce a "noral turpitude" standard

whenaby a precedent would be zei. If they win this case,

the door is open to fire pilots aloost at nill. A traffic

violation ill then becone "noral turpitude". For you see, the

precedent in this case is an attempt to establish the principle

that what a pilot does on his om tine, oz the cozany property

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is the cospany's business. Reporis indicate that in Captain

Ferrie's case, 1f the companican succesotally aischerge lia

a progent will de established. men the company can fira a

man who gets a traifle ticket. There 13 nothing to stop ther

e. Would jo: gupply proofs of what you have just said?

A. At this time I feel thai 1t would be against

Captain Ferrie's best interests to reveal the sources of my

Infomation, Certain reports about Bastern's tactics In this

case suggest considerable caution and discretion in revealing

Information..

Q. Have you Investisated the matter of Easter's

"standard of conduct" which is expects of its employees?

A. Yes, I have.

a. Would you outline or describa that so-called

standard of conduct?

A. That 1s very difficult to do, No where can I find

that Easter has ever established a standard of conduct. There

are no publications

shoving this, there are no contractual

provisions to show It. However, if you consider wat Easter

seems to condone in its personnel, then such a standard might

be inferred.

a. Hould you outline the conduct thai Eastern seems

to condone, as you say?

A. It would be very unwise, and perhaps unnecessary

to do this since it might nean drascing other people's lives

into the open when that might not have to be done.

Q. He cartairly do not want to hurt anyone in this

case. Is it possible to reveal acts, oi petters of doing or

conduct without alsclosing nanes, or giving suer infomation

that night enable soneone to readily identify these people?

A. Yes, I thirs it can be done in this ray. I have a

roport of a pilos uno 1s prondent mio carried pornographie

films across state lines to an Easter aleplane. Be had a storang

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1t. There am reports of sexual intercourse batreen pilots and

stewardesses on board tho alrozart unila in fligt, cribinu

or cllabing flight. mis, In some cases, is a part of the

so-calied. "ile High Club" There are company officials mo

are married who are philandering and having relations with

other company dersonnel where this has been generally talked

about for jears.

there are crimes, or acts I should say,

against nature. There 1s improper handling of power settings.

There is a case of a prominent pilot on an overseas rin

usIng lETO power until he reached cruising altitude. This

Involved DC-T aircraft. There are reports of ridespread

petty

smuscling arross national boundaries. Tere are public

alsplays in hotel lobbies, such as a pilot down on all fours

biting a stewardess in the buttocks, There are reports of

a 5roup of pilots participating In land deals were illegal

transfering of funds from one account to another takes place,

or had to take place to confect the transactions. Tere ara

reporis from hotels in several cities unere pilots lay over

of unbecoming, and/oz Immoral activities.

There are nunerous

reporis of horseplay in the cockpits Including the fining

of some

Captains who had

stewardesses on their laps in

flight while passengers were aboard. There are even reports

of violationa of the kidnep laws by company officials or

agents, while on company busiress. The rejoris show that

these things enumerated are either knoin to company officials

or have been reported to coppany officials and that the par-.

sonnel Involved wore never sanctioned or disciplined. herce,

I can only conclude that the foregoing represents an indication

of Eastem's standard of conduct for lis employees.

a. Have you found where Captein Ferrie has ever in

any way engaged In any of the activities which you describe?

A. As far as 1t is humanly possible to Investigate

Captain Forcie has never participated In any of the things

described,

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2. How would you define "coral turpitide?"

A. It 1s any Intoncional adi, I rapeat the mord

Intentional, against justice, honesty or 300d morals which

acts are in themselves unjust dishonest or Immoral.

Q. Have you Investisatad Captain Ferrie's life,

background and conduct in regard to moral turpitude?

A. Yes I have.

Q. What did you find?

A. Castain Ferrle is not guilty of moral turpitude.

Q. You have ex amined Captain Ferrie's reputation

1n the community, have you not?

A. Yes I have.

a. haù what did you find?

A. I find he has the highest of reputations for

his life, his philosophy and his conduct.. He has brought

respect to the airline pilot profession.

Q. How does he being respect to his profession?

A. Such things as his learning, his abilities and

his civic Interast. A lot of people think of airline pilots

as harumpscarum people obsessed with sex, salary and seniority.

Captain Terrie has set the lie to this notlon.

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331 Atherton Drive,

Metairie, Louisiana.

30 October 1961

Captain. G.E. Greiner,

Manager - Operations,

Hastern Air

Lines, Inco,

Moisant Airport,

New Orlans, Ia.

Dear Captain Greiner:

This letter is written in response to your letter, addressed

to me, dated October 19. My attorney, Mr. Graffagnino, has not informed me of

your request for a written report in addition to the verbal information given

during the discussion between Mr. Graffagnino, Senor Arcacha, yourself, and me.

You require: "a plausible explanation of the incidents

that lead to the filing of serious criminal chargés"

against me.

no idea of what you consider

"plausible" there is no way

letter prior to its being forwarded. I will submit the facts as they are. We

have in hand indisputable proof for

the facts cited herein.

For the composition of this letter, reports of reputable

dedectives have been employed. Since your

letter inters you require a chrono-

logical sequence; I shall list these events chronologically.

I must add one caution, however. The very nature of some

of the information contained herein has given me

considerable pause in whether

I should respond to your request for information. First of all,I know of no

"crime", violation of working agrement, or company rule which is violated

when one individual makes a charge against another. Proven charges are

another

thing. It is my opinion that it is not the business

Of Fastern Air Lines

that someone should make charges against me. It is another thing if these

charges are proven to be true

in a court of law. In the second place, the

revelation of this information to you contains a serious potential threat to

my safety, as a subsequent paragraph will reveal. I shall,

therefore, hold you

personally responsible if sone of this information is divulged since my

personal safety is involved.

It is my belief that the chronology begins in 1959.

During the Sumner of 1959 I received my first anonymous, threatening telephone

call. At this time positive information had come into my hands. that Fidel Castro

was a Communist, and that this was known in the State Department prior to

the action of the U.S. Guverrment forcing Bastista out of office. Also at

this time I was laboring to prevent the admission in the U.S. Air Force

Academy of a candidate whose views, as well as those of his family, were

anti-American, since he indicated he had no intention of supporting Amendment

XIV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution. From that date until the prescat

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(at 2:15 P.M. this date) these delphone calls have continued.

In some of the se telephone

calls I have been

addressed obscenely,

on some occasions as a "Nigger-Lover"

"Radical", a " Cormunist", an

"Atheist",

a "Religious Fanatio" and 80 on. On other occasions polites, well-nodulated voices

bave try to dissuade me from my activities and in particular my

speeches against

those persons and forces I deem subversive. Though all of these

telephone calls.

have been anonymous, the identity of one of the voices has been established.

On other occasions I

reccive "silent" tadephone calls, that is, when we ansver

a call, no response is made by the caller wha, after a short interval, hange up,

or otherwise breaks the connection.

It became apparent that acting as a lone individual I could accomplish

little, whereas with affiliation with a similar-minded

group I might accomplish

much more. Thercfore, I pursued several related problems:

(1) why did certain top officials deliberately cause

the April 17 invasion of Cuba to fail?

(2) who is permitting millions of pieces of Comunist

literature to pass thru the New. Orleans Post Office,:

at government expense, the purpose

which litcrature

is prejudicial to the

United States?

(3) who is permitting proscribed trade with cuba to con-

tinue, which aalso involves a further drain on gold

IESErVES?

(4) why

certain Communists, who enjoy high-level positions

in local government, permitted to continue

their activities

against the United States?

(5) why

are certain koow Communists allowed to continue

dictating the placing of subversive textbooks in public

and private schools?

(6) Why are certain persons in sensitive jobe, for example

scheculed airlines, permitted to contirue subversive

activities?

In a less generalized arca, I have been concerned with the problem:

of Communist

Cuba, and the ramifications. I have been assisting in bringing

Cuban refugees to the United States, and in obtaining necessities including

medical care for them. I have

likewisein activities approved. of and encouraged

by the President of the United States andh hid attorney Cencral - helping to

raise arms for the liberation of Cuba-such is both the right and duty of every

Americani, not to be gainsaid by anyone.

In the intensification of these Anti-Communist activities more talks

have been given than herctofore, radio and I.V. shows, and propaganda disseminated.

Greater efforts have been expended to collect necessary funds to raise arms.

In the course of this I was threatened with a lawsuit by a New Orleans attorney.

This suit was dropped when he learned the nature of the proofs of his subversive

activities.

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During the mouth of August three persons associated with this work

were arrested by a particular

New Crleans policenan.. We have been unable to

learn what they vere charged with. They were held incormunicado for four days.

During this time they were also malticated. Their arrest and detention was

illegal not only from: the point of view of State Law but alao Federal Lav.

In the course of the interrogations one police

official tried tod extract a

cormittment from these individuals that they would desist in their activities

to. assist the Cubans. One of the

orpicers stated that his

put Arcacha and ferrie in jail". In pursuance of this objcctive these three

were interrogated to produce evidence against me of

(1) stealing

an airplane;

participating in acts treasonous to the United States;

dealing in contraband;

committing forgery;

illegally dealing in arms.

Subsequent to this the Now Orleans Police

came to. my home to search it,

claiming they possessed a valid Search larrant. They refused to produce this

warrant and refused to divulge the quest of the search. These acts are in

clear violation of the law. They returned a second

time, and did not even

claim to posacas a verrant, but atated they vare searching for rareotice.

They returned a third time

search" but did not search, but engaged in a

day-long harassment of my mother, my guests and mysclf.

During this same interval I was taken to the Fast Bank Jail, Jefferson

Parish, and interrogated relative to harboring a run away New Orleans juvenile.

it developed I had nothing to do with it I was relcased.. Then I was

arrested for

"crime against nature", allegedly committed with a New Or leans

minor.. I was held incommunicado until a friendly bondsman laarned of my

out and summoned Mr. Grarfagnino, whom I had not known prior

this time. At the time of the arrest the police refused to divulge the charge.

When I finally learned of the chaige and the person allegedly making it

I took two witnesses and confronted the said

New Orleans minor. He admitted

that he made the charges. But, he insisted to myself and witnesses that he

had been compelled to sign these charges or face a jail term. Thereafter, he

signed a statement exonerating me, and indicating how he came to sign them.

The following day he came, of his own volition, and signed a second statement.

The New Orleans authorities vere apprised of this.

The reupon onc

of these same policemen returned to the New Orleans juvenile

and compelled him to sign a second statement stating that he had been

"intimidated"

by meg. and these

samepolice claimed to be able to "produce eight witntasce to

the intimidation". The New Orleans minor has now apparently

disappeared, since

the Jefferson Parish District Attorney's office has beep unable to locate him.

During this time it was learned that my telephone was tapped. The telephone

company and the goverment was notified.. The

tap wire was found, but it had been

out so that the source of the receiving apparatus could not be ascertained..

Recently a second tap occured..

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On: October 24, my brother, who

lives and works in the North, had

to him. One of the officials of his company summoned him,

and threatened his job unless it could be ascertained that our family had

further connection with any activity involving

the liberation of Cuba, or

other activitics resisting Communist take-over

in the Caribbean arca.

Iwo other events occured which will not be discussed here, at this time.

All of the foregoing has been climaxed by an extortion attempt, the

revelation of which is dangerous to my safety. I have been told that levcrything

will be forgotten" it

(1) I pay over a substantial sum. of money;

(2) leave the

State of Louisiana;

(3) keep this "offer" a strict secret "or else"

For obvious reasons this cannot be reported to local police,

WILL NOT be reported. However, it has been reported to Federal authorities

for whatever action. they can take.

At this time we do not know the chain-of-command of the Communists

at the local level. However, my problem has been traced with certainty to

a highly placed local official. We have positive evidence that this of icial

Is a Communist and has been in charge of some highly important Communistic

activities involving the protection of Connunists

in the

arca. hother

Comnunists within Eastern Air Lines are involved is not known at this time.

There are several points about which our curiosity is decpening.

We are wondering about the legality of my suspension from flying. We are

curious about your statement (to Mr. Graffagnino, Senor Arcacha and myself)

that someone in authority over you

has indicated that my activities regarding

Cuba be stopped. "

are curious about your implication that Fastern has piled

un other things against me.. (I understand from ALPA that

it is an Eastern

practice to try to accumulate a file to be used against an individual as

it suits the company.) Likewise, we are wondering whether the public interest

would be better served if we released names of Communists and Fellow-Travelers

employed by Eastern Air Lines.

Beyond yourself,. no one knows of the composition of this letter,

including Mr. Grafagnino. I have prepared only a file copy which is secured

in a strong box with certain other pertinent documents. As indicated ir

paragraph

+, page 1, I shall hold you personally responsible if information

is relcased by you to my harm. In particular I am refering to paragraph 3 of

this page.

Be assured that civil suits are

(and possibly more will

be prepared) against any and every individual, organization and/ or group

responsible in any way for any damages that have occured to me during this

affair.

very

Failutense

Captain David W. Ferrie

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DISTRICT ATTORNEY

PARISH OF ORLEANS

STATE OF LOUISIANA

2700 TULANE AVENUE

NEW ORLEANS, 19

JIM GARRISON

DISTRICT ATTORNBY

November 7, 1962

Mr. William Bell

Legal Department

Eastern Airlines

Miami International Airport

Miami, Florida

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Re: David William Ferrie

Dear MI. Bells

in response to your request of November 7, 1962,

I have ascertained the status of the cases pending

against David William Ferrie.

In case No. 171-957,

Section "H", Ferrie is charged

with public intimidation of a State witness in a

case pending against Ferrie.

In that case Ferrie

was arraigned on September 26, 1961.

However,

case was never sent to trial.

On November 5,

the complaining witness made an affidavit requesting

that the charges be dismissed.

This office has not

yet made a decision with regard to that affidavit.

In case No. 173-891, Ferrie is charged with extortion.

On March 13, 1962,

the defendant was arraigned.

November 5,

1962, complaining witness made an affidavit

that he did not wish to prosecute the defendant.

office has not yet made

a decision in regard to

affidavit.

These cases will not come up in the normal course of

the docket.

vegy, truly fours,

tar

JIM GARRISON

DISTRICT ATTORNEY

JG/jC

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RE:

DAVID. W. FERRIE

aka DI. David Francescas Ferrie

July 30, 31 & August 2, 1963

Bishop George A. Hyde was located at 1657 Park Road, NW,

Washington, D.C. where he advised he has lived for the

past three or four months. He stated there is no parish

of the Orthodox Catholic Church in the District of Colum-

bis and that he serves the Washington, southern Maryland

and northern Virginia area.

He advised his prosent address serves as a study house and

a placo of abode for his postulants and novitiates. Ho

presently has three young men at this address, expocts

one more on August 3, 1963, another on August 15, 1963,

and a total of six or seven for the 1963 fall torn. Each

person holds an outside job and turns all of this money

over to a common fund to run the house. Roligious studies

aro usually conducted in the evening and he has one member

he hopes to enroll in the Anorican University for the 1963

fall term.

Bishop flyde admits he had not registered in the District

of Columbia and he 1s not logally empowered to perform

marriagos but statod he doos not consider it to be neces-

sary in as much as he does not have a parish. When queried

as to conducting funerals, he stated he has conducted

funerals and some marriagos in the New York State area.

However, whon asked as to the last funeral he conducted, ho

was very ovasive as to where and when and finally said

ho had conducted a funeral for one of the members of his

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study who had diod in mid-July.

When queried as to where

this funoral and interment took place, he stated he did

not desire, nor would he furnish any information con-

corning the operation of his "community". He did say the

one who was burled was "Brother Lako".

Bishop Hyde advisod he has never mot David Ferrio in par

son. His first contact with Ferrie occurred within the

past two yoars; probably about one and one half yoars ago.

On this occasion, Ferrie was in New Orleans and had been

requestod to contact the Bishop by & person who was very

111 and in a hospital. Hyde was not sure 1f this contact

was by telephone or letter. He stated, following this

initial contact, he has had frequent correspondence with

Ferrie; both by mail and telophone. Approximately gir

months ago, alter considorablo discussion along religious

linos, Farrio asked the Bishop to ordain him. Hydo olaims

he told ferrio that, sinco ho had not not him in person

and had not been able to study him at first hand. he could

not in full justico, accode to this request. Hyde states

that ho told Farrio that 11 ho would come to Washington

and ontor the study, first for sir months as a postulant

and thon for a year as a novitiate, he would consider

ordaining him. Hydo advised that ferrio could not accodo

to these regairements for his financial situation would

not allow 1t. Thoir correspondence, telophonically and

by lotter continuod. Ferrie, in early summer of 1963

again mado his request to be ordained. Hyde statod ha

told Forrio to send hin a list of his educational attain

ments and he would forward them to the Arch-Bishop at

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Kankakoe, Illinois, and let the activity continue from

there. When queried as to the form in which the attain-

mants were received, (1o, transcripts or resunes) Hyde

was evasive. At this point he, apparently in a moment

of laxity, called Subject "DI. Ferrlo". When asked as

to tho basis of the Doctorate and in what flold, Hydo

statod ho was not sure of the basis but believed that

It my be an honorary degree. He finally admitted that

most likoly ho had roceived & resune from David Ferrie

and no transcripts. Hyde states ho made a cursory por

usal of those items and forwarded then to Bishop Narchenna

1n Kankakeo, Ill1no18.

Hyde claims that Bishop Marchenna visited him st Wash-

Ington, D.C. in tho early part of July 1963. At that

time, Hydo endeavored to convince larchenna, in the good

interests of the church, that he felt, before anyone was

ordained into the church, they should bo given an aran-

ination Into the canon law of the church by all of the

bishops in the church; since one bishop might ordain a

person not really suitable to cloth and would thus be-

come a miafit and a detriment to the church if thay were

to go to sone other aros. Hyde state he had told Fortio

that he folt this would bo to Ferrio's best interest in

the caso of his requesting to bo ordained. Hydo claims

Marchonna seemod to bogin to accout the idea. Hyde

stated ho 1s awaro that Ferrio was not ordained July 19.

1962 and that he had advised Ferrie not to go to Kankakoo.

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[at this point, in order to more properly evaluate the

comments of Hydo, it is necessary to set out information

obtained from lydo concerning one, Jack Martial.

During the course of the interview with lydo, he was asked

how the name of Jack Martin was asgociatod with ho and

Forrio. lydo statod ho believed that ho had first come

into contact with Jack Martin some years ago in New York;

city not naned. He describes Martin as an outright

"rounder", living by fraud, blackmall and other devious

means. Hartin loarned that Hyde nosdod a seal and pro-

vidod him with ono. Later ho gave a painting a8 s gift.

For theso lavors, Martin roquested Hyde to ordain him as

& prioat; which Hydo rofusod. Martin bocano associatod

with a branch of the church at Louisville, Kentuoky.

considered frauds by Hyde and later became, manner u1-

knows, associated with Ferrio. Thore 1s sone Indication

Forrie also spent some timo in Louisville. Ferrie began

to question the church authority of Martin and Martin thon

advised the head of the church at Louisville. Supposedly.

Ferrie was road out of the church and vicious comments nade

about him which are attributable to Martin. Hyde claims

that Martin has mado allogations as to hono-sexuality

concorning various officials of the church, Including

himself. Martin, reportodly, has written lotters to

various persons alleging misdeeds of Hyde, Including tho

molesting of children, claiming ho had proof becauso of

publicity in Hashington nowspapers.

Hyde states that kartin 1s the kind of person who will

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write to porsons like Richard Cardinal Cushing, prais

ing him for some publio stand he has taken. Hyde stated

that Cushing, being the high type of an Individual he is.

will answer with a lettor acknowledging the commont and

that Hartin will then uso the lottor to indicato ho is a

friond of Cardinal Cushing. In this way he obtalas

ontry into groups that ho would not otherwise have accoss

to. Hyde has advised that he has mado a notification to

tho Post Offico Department concerning the activities of

Martin and has rocoived & lottor of acknowlodgement from

a postal inspector advising he has "opened" & case on the

matter. Hyde furthor advised ho is making a compilation

of the allogations and activitios of Martin with the view

in mind of prosecuting him.

Daring tho Interview Hyde was asked to reflect further

on the circunstances undor which he first came into con-

tast with ferrie. After some reflection, Hyde, rather

hesitantly, stated it could be that Jack Martin, through

being over wrought, had suffered a coronary attack and

was hospitalizod in New Orleans. At this point Hyde

commented that Martin noeded nore than a regular MD to

look after him; he needed someone who had gone further

in the medioal profossion. When pinned down on this con-

ment, Hyde stated he bolleved Martin needed paychiatric

treatment. When questioned as to his reason for naking

such a comment. Hyde stated he understood Martin had

boon confined in the psychiatric wards of Charity Hos-

pital in New Orloans and at Los Angelos, Calilornia. In

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Now Orleans ho was said to hava undorgone shock treat-

ments.

Hydo statod that about the timo Ferrio was to bo in

Kankakee to take his canon law examination from the

bishops, Ferrie was required to be in Miami, Florida.

on a business matter, nature not disolosed. Hyde stated

he learned Jack Martin was In Kankakoe, for the bishops

meeting at which Forrie was to be examinod. In contact

with Ferrie in Miant, he advisod Ferrie that he should

not go to Kankakoe as Martin was there and would make a

lot trouble, eventuslly roflecting on the church no matter

how untrus. Hyde stated ho is the only bishop that did

not attand this conferenco, explaining that urgent matters

at the study, outside activity, lack of monay and the like,

convinced him that he should not attend this conference.

[Ho did not mention the funeral at this timel.

Hyde statod ho has had Farrio do some rosearch and nade

rough drafts of legislation to be anacted by the church

concerning the proposed plan to have all bishops rule on

the eligibility of a candidate for ordisation.

Hyde olaims ho has learned that Martin has since sproad

the false infermation that Ferrio flew from Miani to

Washington, picked up llydo and the two flow togsther to

Kankakoe. Hyde also claims that a numbor of the bishops

are jealous of the arch-bishop, larchenna, and aro making

all kinds

of plans to have him ejooted Iron his position.

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Hyde refusad to give a signed statement on the grounds

he did not know who would hate accoss to the statoment

and that many of the other bishops would delight in

gotting Information as to his operations. Hyde staied

he has built a wall around his community and that only

ho has the key. He did state that 11 he could be sure

Marchenna was to bo the only person to see the roport.

he would giro s signod statuent.

When queried as to whether he would agree to the lavesti

gators understanding of his comments, which were the ro-

Iteratod to him and revlowed on pertinent points, he

agroad the investigators appeared to have graspod what

ho wanted to say about the mattar.

The following information was developod conserning

George A. Hyde:

Inquiry roguest lor information reveals George A. lydo

1s knowa as a Bishop. Attached newspaper clippings to-

flocts he has hold himsoll out to the D. C. Juvenile

Court as an Orthodox Catholio Friar.

Tho D.. C. Crodit Bureau has no rocord of Goorge A. Hyde.

From a highly confidantial source, nost reliable, who

has access to the Holy Roman Catholle Church Chancery

Rocords, it has been learned that Ceorze A. Hyde and his

activitios has come to thoir attention but has no official

connection with that church.

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Ferd

Mr. Malcolm Mcintyre,

President,

Eastern Air Lines Inc.,

New York, N.Y.

Dear

SIr:

The writer has been a private investigator for a number of

years and during that time has been acquainted with many investigative.

agencies, their personel, technique, and integrity or lack of 1t. His

experience with

Eastern Air Lines 1s not so extensive. A recent

perience is causing him concern and anger.

I was recently contacted by an individual who represented

himself to be an employee of Southern Research, and employee of

Eastern Air Lines.

The contact was relative to an Investigation of

one Captain David

W. Ferrie.

I have known Captain Ferrie for some time and used his

services In solving a thorny case in which the Federal Government

was Interested. Thus I can vouch for the man and his integrity.

The Individual who contacted me used threats and Intimidation

(all In violation of Louisiana statutes) to get me to cooperate In

framing" Captain Ferrie. When I would not yield blandishments were

offered in the form of a

bribe to assisting in "hanging" this man.

THis strikes me as detestible.

when I would not cooperate with these people, I was subjected

co harassment, my house placed under surveillance, neighbors contacted,

and in general my peace and quiet disturbed.

Is this the way Eastern Air Lines operates? Is 1t part of

your policy to harass the general public so that something can be

framed against one oi your own employees? I hardly think that a man

of your integrity and position would tolerate such conduct.

I read in the newspapers where 13 of your Captain exposed

their ships and their passengers to unnecessary hazard by having

stewardesses on their laps while in flight.

were slapped

and they went back to work. Contrariwise, this man who has worked

hard and honorably for Eastern 1s being

subjected to a campaign

to get him fired. Illegal and unethical activities are being employed.

I trust that a man in your position will not permit this

without further delay. Meanwhile, I am compelled to advise my

associates and subordinates not to patronize Eastern Air Lnes until

this situation Is cleared up.

I hope to have your early reply.

Yours truly,

SAN 18 1963

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fRoM; Nartin Waldron, New Tork Times, room 729 Chroncile Bids, Houston

Nov. 21, 1966

It. Marvin Leonard

to!

New Orleans Police Depts

Dear It. Leonard,

In accordance with our conversation oftoday, I am

herewith submitting the following questions:

50

I. Why did the New Orleans Police Department arrest

David (Dave) Ferrie in November, 1963, in connection

with anninvestigation of Lee Harvey Oswald?

2. Was there any indication that Mr. Ferrie had any

connections with Oswald during 1963 or during the 1950's.

when Oswald was a student in junior high school and high

school in New Orleans?

3. Why did Lt. Paul Dwyer, and Sgt. Frederick S. P. O'Sullivan

have a suspicion that Mr. Ferrie may have flown Oswald to

Dallas, as reported by Sgt. O'Sullivan in his testimony before

the President's Commission to Investigate the Assassination of

President Kennedy:

"We wanted to check it (Ferrie's plane) to see if it

was flyable, to see possibly whether he had been flying it i

lately, with the thought that he may have transported Oswald to

Dallas."

4. Did the New Orleans Police Department vice squad

know or have reports that Mr. Ferrie and Oswald had

been associating together just prior to this?

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5• Where was Mr. Ferrie on the day President Kennedy was

assassinated?

6. Does Mr. Ferrie have a police record for, or is he

known as, a sex deviate? If so, what kind?

7. Did Lee Harvey Oswald have a record of, or was he

purported to be, a sex deviate? If so, what kind?

8. When Mr. Ferrie was arrested in November, 1963, shortly

after President Kennedy's assassination and booked at

First District Station, what was he charged with?

Who arrested him? Did he make a statement?

9. While Mr. Ferrie was in custody, did agents of the

Federal Bureau of Investigation interrogate him?

If so, what did Mr. Ferrie tell the agents?

10. Do the Civil Air Patrol records indicate that Oswald

was a

member of the CAP in a squadron which Mr. Ferrie

headed?

11. How old is David Ferrie? Where was he born? How

long has he been known to the New Orleans police?

12. Do New Orleans police officials have any reason to

believe that Mr. Ferrie may have been instrumental in

suggesting or urging Oswald to commit violence, in

particular the Kennedy assassination? If so, please explain.

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13. There have been reports that Mr.. Ferrie has been

acting as a pilot for Carlos Marcello(s), reputed to

be involved in various shady enterprises

in Southern

Louisiana. Is there any truth to this?

14. Do New Orleans police officials know why the staff

of the President's Conmission to Investigate the Assassination

of President Kennedy did not call Mr. Ferrie as a witness?

15. When Lt. Francis L. Martello arrested Lee Harvey

Oswald on Aug. 9, 1963, for a fracas on Canal Street,

did Oswald ask to be interviewed by an FBI agent?

If so, did he ask for an agent by name?

16. Do New Orleans police officials have any reason to

believe or suspect that Oswald was attempting to infiltrate

anti-Castro units when he approached Carlos Bringuier

shortly before this Aug. 9 fracas?

17. Is there anyvreason to believe or suspect that

the Federal Bureau of Investigation or any of its

agents may have paid Oswald or promised to pay him

in connection with his anti-Castro and pro-Castro

fiascoes?

18. Did the New Orleans police department find any of

Oswald's pamphlets at Mr. Ferrie's hohe? Or did any

other investigators find such material?

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19. Have New Orleans police officials interrogated a man

named A. W. Will, a service station operator, who

said in Feburary, 1964, that police officers asked him

if he had ever seen Oswald in the company of a man wearing

a wig? If so, did Mir. Will agree that such questions were

asked him?

20. Did or does David Ferrie wear a wig and/or false

eyelashes? Or false eyebrows?

21. Sam Summerlin, former Associated Press bureau chief

in New Orleans, has been quoted as saying that he got

the impression in late November, 1963, that New Orleans

police officials were convinced that Mr. Ferrie was

involved in some manner in the Kennedy assassination, and

that a biographical sketch was made available for use

if and when Mr. Ferrie was so charged. Is this true?

If so, please explain why the investigating officers

believed this.

22. Nasa Marina Oswald testified before the President's

Commission to Investigate the Assassination of President

Kennedy that when she and Oswald lived on Magazine Street

in the Summer of 1963 that Oswald would sit on the

porch and aim his rifle. Does the apartment house next

door look out onto this screen porch?

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23. Oswald alwaya seemed to have more money than his

job would have provided? Do New Orleans police officials

agree with this? If so, where did the money come from?

24• When Oswald was interviewed - if he was - by

FBI agents after his arrest on Aug. 9, was Ir. Martello

present during the interview? Or any other New Orleans

police officer? If so, what was the substance or

what was said? Who was the FBI agent? If no New Orleans

police officer was present, did Oswald request that

the interview be in private?

25. Which New Orleans police officers participated in the

investigation of David Ferrie? Which FBI agents?

26. What did Mr. Ferrie's neighbors say?

27. Did anyone ever report having seen Oswald at Mr.

Ferrie's home?

28. A New Orleans singer named Connie Kaye has reported

that she met Oswald in a coffee house in New Orleans in

the Summer of 1963 and that Oswald protested anti-Castro

material she was using in an act at Pat O'Brien's Club.

Do you have reason to believe this? Doubt it?

29. Was Oswald a frequenter of the Havanna Bar in New Orleans?

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30. The woman who manages the apartments on Magazine Street

where Oswald lived in the Summer of 1963 reported that

after Oswald had left on Sept. 25, she found a case of

empty beer bottles. Who drank the beer?

(Oswald is alleged to have not drunk beer.)

31. Do officials of the New Orleans Police Department

have reason to believe or suspect that Oswald was not

alone in the plot to kill President Kennedy?

If so, please explain.

32. Were there any indications that the FBI

held back any

information which it gathered during the course of the

Kennedy investigation? If so, please explain.

Respectuflly,

Martin Waldron

New York Times

Room 729 Chroncile Bldg•

Houston, Texas.

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JIM GARRISON

DISTRICT ATTORNeY

DISTRICT ATTORNEY

PARISH OF ORLEANS

STATE OF LOUISIANA

2700 TULANE AVENUE

NEW ORLEANS, 19

December 28, 1962

52

Gambrell, Harlan, Russell, Moye and Richardson

c/0 Eastern Air Lines,

Inc.

Miami International Airport

Miami 48, Florida

Attns ME. WIlliam G. Bell, Jr.

Re: David William

Ferrie

Gentlemen:

This is to inform you that the prosecuting witnesses

in the cases of intimidation against David W. Ferries

have requested the State to dismiss the

They have further produced signed

Charges.

affidavits

effect that they do not wish to prosecute,

would not testify and that they would like the

that they

charges dismissed.

spoken to Jim Garrison,

District Attorney, at considerable length concerning

these matters and

both are of the opinion that

the cases

against Ferrie would be impossible to

prosecute without the full cooperation of the complain-

ing witnesses even if they were forced to testify.

is for these reasons that I inform you

charges against Ferrie will be dismissed.

If I can be of any further assistance to you in this

matter please do not hesitate to call upon me.

very truly yours,

RUDOLPH F. BECKER, III

ASSISTANT

DISTRICT ATTORNEY

REB/jc

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Jani Rentand.

JON:/25

2441 Columbus Street

New Orleans,

Louisiana

January 15, 1963

Mc. Malcolm McIntyre, President

Eastern Air Lines Incorporated,

New York City, N.Y.

Dear Sir:

I am Eric Crouchet. I was supposed to have been the State Witness

in criminal charges in Louisiana against you= Captain David Ferrie. I am

him, and the way I been treated.

I tried to exonnerate him before to your Captain Greiner, but he

would not give

me the chance. So I am writing to you since you are the

president of the company.

Here is what happened. There is a certain woman here

who has relatives who are big politicians. This woman is a real one, belleve

me.. I am no

doctor but I am sure something is not right with her. She has

been "'after"

Captain Ferrie for a long long time. She nas cooked up more

stories and lies than I can count. Of course he is not the only one. She

has some move on her list that she gives it to,

and I am one of then.What

she has got against me or Captain Ferrie I cannot figure out. She has a

funny pattern. This month it is one person she doesnt like and neat month

it is somebody else. She figures she is the hand

of God or something

runs around judging people and then goes after them. She drought this

Her own family has trouble with her. One of her sons ran away from

home. This embarased her:

She had to blame somebody.

It was Captain Ferries

turn. She even called Eastern

and told them

this. It just was not so. But

how do you stop a lie when it is repeated often

enough and loud enough.

Anyhow after a few days it became apparent that she was wrong and Captain

away. Captain Ferrie threatened

The next thing I know I am dragged in to it. I am not surprised

because I know what she has been saying about me for so long.

picked me up and rousted me around awhile's was so scared I would have

They gave me a paper to sigh.

I signed it. I should not have but I did.

signed anything just to get out.

on seventeen. I

did not know what. I had signed.

So I was shook when

I was sixteen Bone round out a few

days later that I was supposed to be State Witness against Captain Ferrie

in criminal charges.

Then I was in contact with Captain Ferrie and had

arrangements to get papers from his lawyer withdrawing the charges. In

a moment of courage

I signed

these. Then I called the cops and told them

what: I did and why. For this

charged Captain

Ferrie with intimidating

witnesses.

Another thing. THey picked up some kid. (first they called him

Dumas whose name is McClendon.

My father and I talked to them a few weeks

They claimed they knew nothing about the case.

The cops were trying to

make this kid be a witness against Captain Ferrie too. This is how it

went. This woman, like I said, has big political connections.

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When

I signed these withdrawal I was rousted around again. Then

I got real scared. I had no way to turn. I was scared of this woman,

of the cops,

and whether Captas: Ferrie would sue me for false charges

or. what. so I did the only thing left and took off for service.

The service taught me my rights and what to be afraid of and what

not. When I came home a couple of omnths ago I knew my rights. With my

father and my lawyer I went to the District Attorney and explained the

whole situation. They had no other choice than to drop the charges.

I want to make one thing clear. All of these charges are false.

It just did not happenn.. I am completely exonnerating Captain Ferrie.

I went to your Captain Greiner In New Orleans and I telephoned

your Miami lawyer B1ll Bell. With each one I tried to tell my story and

IK got the brush off. Why wouldnt they let me tell the story?. They

stopped

Then I got to hear some

mighty interesting things. It seems that

Eastern is trying to.collect only the dirt,

and forget the good. What

they have somebody wants

to twist just one

certain way. It

all builds

up to one thing And that 1s this It looks like Eastern has joined this

women to blacken Captain Ferrie. I also found out that either Bill Bell

or George Greiner tried to fire

Ferrie when these charges were first

made:

Does this mean that just to have somebody accuse you of something

Is grounds for dismissal on Eastern? It it does.

Eastern is in bad shape,

and so is the country.

I mean to get my say in this matter. If I dont get it in to you

I will have to find another way. I am

anxious

to get it in now because

there is a comapny called Southern Research,

some kina of private detectives

Captain

Ferrie.

Here is the other side of Captin Ferrie you ought to know.

First he is a loyal American and Christian. In CAP and other activities

he has done his bes: to help wandaring kids.. He helps them get on the

straight road.

adults who do

ne an have to agents due ta

He encourages education and religion. He is one of few

this. The rest just talk about their civic duties to the

second he is aviation minded.

He encourages kids to aviation

Space Age.

He was talking about roghets a long time ago when his

fellow pilots

laughed at him for it. Some of your pilots today he trained.

Third

he is a good pilot. I have been talking out at New O-leans Airport.

I find he has the best reputation o

the Gulf Coast as an instrument pilot

and everybody agrees that they would wnat him, before anybody else, at

the controls.

Fourth he is safety minded. EVery ody knows how he trained his own copilots

and stewardesses in safety

and emergency measures, and on his own time.

Five he is company minded because he is always running around giving publict

talks for Eastern and on his own time and money.

Six when

everybody was too chicken to move he got food clothing medicine

and phousing

alr.llnes

criticised it.

refugees. Yet some loyal "patriots"

Eastern

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he never disgraced your company. He did not set fined and have his

name in the paper for jeopardizing your flights. I

read in

tha

paper where

13.00 your captains got fined for having the stewardess en

Zap

in flight with passengers aboard. They are still flying. Don. you think :

Captain Ferrie should be

too?

Milt is a funny thing

a man is down everybody gangs us

on him. In they are jealous or bin they do the sane thing too. So i have

been doing my best to undo the wrongs done him of which I an i part.

I thought Eastern would be interested in the same thing if they were

Christian and American. So far, it seems the other way around.

I have been going around to some business men I know through the

Kiwanis club. I have been telling my story to get this mán's name

cleared. I understand that these are the customers who pay your salary.

Ouc thing I can say,

they showed a good attitude.

They cannot belfare

that Eastern would hold him out of service once this story was told./

This affair.has made me very angry with Eastern Air Lines.

I figured that a man in your position would not want this to go on.

I preferred to think that this was just the conduct of a couple of

minor officials and did not represent the policy of the whole company.

The future will tell.

There are many people here who want to come forward and write

of protest. They have been stopped because someone told them

they. did it would look "rigged up". Do you want to hear from

them. I hope you do:

There is one other thing. My näme has seen linked up to this.

We cannot afford a lawyer to go after

the woman

who started all this.

Her day will come, however. The other day I found

that if Captain

Ferrie does not get back to flying status my name will sugfer

t00.

I dont think Eastern 1s interested in this responsibility too.

So, I hope that you will do the right thins, and the American

and put Captain Ferrie back on flying. I would like to know

what you are going to do.

Yours truly,

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DEPARTMINT OF STATE

in whom these arranta shull come, Brezting:

fortify That the documents hereunto annexed

are true copies

passport file

the

department of State

in the

case of

Iliam Ferrie, as follous:

application upon

which peesport no.

B085860,

New Orleans Series unis issued

jeptember 18, 1961;

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New Orleans

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1957.

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tuentiein

day of Decreair:, 1952.

Secretary of State.

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3.5. 60

cpärtment of State.

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The Inquest

RAND conspiracies need not be grand. There need be only

a few central figures in a position to manipulate, wheedle,

dupe, blackmail, and buy the bit actors. This is the theory

of New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison as applied to the as-

sassination of President Kennedy. "The people who engineered the

killing of one of the finest Presidents weever had are walkingaround

today,

;" he declares. "Not to do anything about it is un-American."

The Louisiana populist can hardly be accused of dis-

loyalty. He has, he claims, discovered who killed Kennedy,

who organized the plot, and what forces were involved in

planning the various steps that led to the assassination.

And he has done all this against formidable odds. He has

been denounced and ridiculed by such columnists as Bob

Considine, Jim Bishop and Victor Reisel. The press has,

for the most part, slanted its coverage of his investigation

to imply motives of personal glory and political gain. The

government Establishment has given him the cold shoul-

der, and the FBI, which "cleared" two of his present

suspects immediately following the assassination, refused

to release its information to him.

The truth, according to Garrison, is certain to rock the

republic as it gradually unfolds in court. He is convinced

that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a triggerman, and that

Jack Ruby was the puppet of a more sophisticated master..

He is equally sure that the working level of the conspiracy

was composed of rabid anti-Castro Cuban exiles in league

with elements of the American paramilitary right. The con-

certed Establishment effort to confine the events of the

assassination to Oswald and Ruby suggests the Garrison

thesis: a vertically integrated plot rising step by step into

high echelons of government and the military-industrial

complex. "Honorable men did in Caesar," dryly observes

the prosecutor with a fondness for historical metaphor.

Thus far, the dramatis personae of Garrison's terse

drama have been wildly disparate. On February 22 of this

year, after preliminary, lengthy questioning by the D.A.'s

office and shortly before he was to be arrested by Garrison

and charged

WIt

→onspiracy to assassinate Kennedy,

David Willian

Ferrie was found dead in his cluttered

New Orleans apartm

The second major figure in Garrison's probe is 54-year-

old Clay L. Shaw, retired executive director of the New

Orleans International Trade Mart. Charged with-con-

spiracy by Garrison, he is now awaiting trial.

A third individual expected to figure prominently in the

Garrison inquiry is Manuel Garcia Gonzales. The New

Orleans D.A. has come into possession of a photograph

by William W. Turner

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taken at Dealey Plaza just before the assassination which

shows several Latin men behind the low picket fence at

the top of the famed grassy knoll. Most Warren Report

critics believe one or more shots were fired from the

grassy knoll area, and Garrison thinks Gonzales is one of

the men in the photograph. Gonzales has disappeared

and has probably fled the country.

Oswald? In Garrison's book he was nothing more than

a "decoy and a fall guy."

[A GUIDE TO THE CIA'S NEW ORLEANS]

AVE FERRIE

gesticulating furiously as he

poured eti his scheme.

"Triangulation.

the availability of exit... one man had to be

sacrificed to give the other one or two gun-

men time to escape." Leon Oswald listened impassively.

So did Clay Bertrand, a tall; courtly, older man with

close-cropped white hair. Bertrand, smartly attired in a

maroon jacket, looked out of place with his carelessly

dressed companions in the disarray of Ferrie's apartment.

This was the scene on or about September 16, 1963, as

described recently in a New Orleans courtroom by Perry

Raymond Russo, Jim Garrison's star witness to date, who

had been present in the Ferrie apartment on that fateful

night. An articulate young insurance salesman for

Equitable Life and a graduate of the Jesuit Loyola Uni-

versity, Russo had passed, for what it is worth, a series of

Sodium Pentothal ("truth serum") tests administered by

medical experts. His story was sufficiently impressive to

cause the three-judge panel to bind over Clay Shaw, whom

Russo identified as Clay Bertrand, for trial in the assassina-

tion of the President.

Following Ferrie's rapid-fire dissertation, said Russo,

the talk switched to escape. Ferrie declared in favor of a

flight to Brazil with a refueling stop in Mexico, or a more

risky hop directly to Cuba. (It is a source of puzzlement

why Ferrie would want to go to Cuba, given his anti-

Castro stance.) Bertrand disagreed, on the grounds that

word of the assassination would spread too fast to permit

a long flight. "Shut up and leave him alone," interjected

Leon Oswald, whom Russo says was Lee Harvey Oswald,

"he's the pilot." "A washed-up pilot," huffed Bertrand,

alluding to Ferrie's dismissal from Eastern Air Lines for

homosexual convictions.

From the conversation, Russo deduced that none of

the three intended to participate actively in the assassina-

tion. Ferrie suggested they "should be in the public eye"

on the day of the attempt; he himself would make a

speech at a nearby college. Bertrand said he would go to

the west coast on business. Oswald said nothing.

Clay Shaw was indeed on the west coast on business on

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November 22. Two weeks previously, his manager at the

New Orleans Trade Mart had written the San Francisco

Trade Mart that Shaw would be passing through on that

date and would like to discuss mutual interests with their

executives. At the moment when Kennedy was killed,

Shaw was conferring with the San Francisco men.

Ferrie also had an alibi, of sorts. A New Orleans attor-

ney is fairly certain that on that black Friday, the eccentric

little man was in his law office around 12:15 p.m. Ferrie

contended he was in New Orleans until late in the after-

noon, when he and his two young roommates left on an

impromptu trip to Texas to "hunt geese." On the surface

it was a wild goose chase: the trio drove to Houston on

Friday, to Galveston on Saturday, and returned to New

Orleans on Sunday-over 1000 miles. But Garrison has

witnesses who swear that Ferrie spent several hours at a

Houston skating rink waiting by the telephone: It was a

curious junket at a curious time, so curious that Garrison,

on his own initiative, arrested and held the three for FBI

investigation of "subversive activity."

Garrison charges only that the machinations in Ferrie's

apartment set in motion events that culminated in the

assassination. What direction the substantive plot may

have taken from there is hinted at in the further testimony

of Russo. He had met Ferrie, he said, some four years

earlier through Civil Air Patrol activity, and frequently

was invited to his apartment. There had been a party be-

fore the meeting on the evening in question, and Russo

had lingered after the rest of the guests. Among the last

to leave were several Cubans in military fatigues, two of

whom he recalls by their first names, Manuel and a name

sounding like Julian. Manuel, Garrison suspects, is the

missing Manuel Garcia Gonzales.

The bizarre quality of Ferrie's life followed him into

death. After being questioned by Garrison, he muttered

he did not have long to live. The cause of death, the

coroner revealed, had been an embolism at the base of the

brain induced by hypertension. But a brain embolism

can also be caused by a deftly administered karate chop

to the neck, a technique which possibly killed Dallas

reporter Jim Koethe, who had participated in an enig-

matic meeting at Jack Ruby's apartment the night Oswald

was murdered [Ramparts, November. 1966}.

An inveterate activist, Ferrie solicited funds for Castro

in 1958, then bitterly turned against him when he struck

his communist colors. According to former Havana

journalist Diego Gonzales Tendedera, Ferrie flew fire-

bomb raids and refugee rescue missions to Cuba from

Florida in a twin-engine Piper Apache owned by Eladio

del Valle, an ex-Batista official who had escaped to Miami

with considerable wealth. Ferrie reportedly was paid

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The caper ended in 1961, when U.S. government agents

confiscated the Apache, and Ferrie headed for New

Orleans. On February 22, the day Ferrie died in New

Orleans, del Valle's head was split by a powerful blow

with a machete or hatchet and he was shot over the heart.

Miami police, noting that he had been involved in nar-

cotics smuggling, call

it a gangland slaying.

After the Bay of Pigs, Ferrie boasted he had taken part

in the invasion, and indeed it has come to light that a

CIA-directed diversionary strike had been launched from

a hidden base in the New Orleans area. The loquacious

pilot was openly hostile to President Kennedy for failing

to commit American military might against Castro. On

one occasion a speech he was giving before the New

Orleans Chapter of Military Order of World Wars turned

into a diatribe against Kennedy for a "double-cross" of

the invasion force. Several members walked out and the

chairman abruptly adjourned the meeting.

During this period the conspicuous 'Ferrie was fre-

quently noticed by the New Orleans Cuban colony in the

company of Sergio Aracha-Smith, local director of the

anti-Castro Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front.

(New Orleans police intelligence records reflect, states the

Washington Post, that the Front was "legitimate in nature

and presumably had the unofficial sanction of the Central

Intelligence Agency.") The Lake Pontchartrain water-

front near Aracha's home seems to have become a locus

for mysterious meetings. Various Garrison witnesses claim

to have seen Ferrie there, as well as an exchange of

money between Oswald and Shaw.

By 1963, Aracha apparently had been deposed as Front

director, for he had moved to Houston in 1962 and was

living there at the time of the assassination. In 1964 he

moved to Dallas. When Garrison investigators recently

sought to question him, he refused to talk without police

and Dallas Assistant D.A. Bill Alexander present. How-

ever, Garrison secured a warrant charging him with

conspiring with Ferrie and one Gordon Novel to burglar-

ize an explosives depot of the Schlumberger Well Services

Co. near New Orleans in August 1961. Aracha is presently

free on bond.

The strange behavior of Gordon Novel lends still

another piquant ingredient to the case. Shortly after being

interrogated by Garrison, he hurriedly sold the French

Quarter bar he owned and left town. He turned up in

McLean, Virginia (headquarters of Army intelligence and

CIA), blasted the assassination probe as a fraud, and

noistly submitted to a "private" lie detector test given by a

former Army intelligence officer that, he said, supported

his veracity. In Columbus, Ohio, where he was arrested on

a fugitive warrant obtained by Garrison, he cryptically

stated, "I think Garrison will expose some CIA operations

in Louisiana." In what it called "his unpublished account

of how the explosives disappeared," the New Orleans

States-Item claims that Novel has told several persons

that he, Ferrie, Aracha and several Cubans did not steal

the munitions but transported them to New Orleans at

the instruction of their CIA contact just before the Bay

of Pigs invasion in April 1961. Furthermore, the States-

Item says Novel operated a ClA front, the Evergreen

Advertising Agency, which prepared cryptographical

messages contained in radio commercials for Christmas

trees that alerted agents to the invasion date. Novel, how-

ever, has denied being a CIA agent.

The mysterious explosives theft dovetailed with another

angle in Garrison's investigation—an April 1961 FBI raid

that uncovered a large cache of arms, ammunition and

explosives in a cottage near New Orleans. Garrison's men

are seeking a group of Cubans said to have accumulated

Further CIA aid or comfort for the paramilitary right

wing is suggested by the role of private eye W. Guy

Banister, who with a partner named Hugh F. Ward ran

a private sleuthing agency in New Orleans. Both a former

FBI official and a former superintendent of New Orleans

police, Banister was noted for his outspoken ultracon-

servatism. His office, according to a States-Item inform-

ant, was one of the drops for the stolen munitions. In

1963, the ever-present David Ferrie worked intermittently

for him as an investigator.

While researching an article on The Minutemen [Ram-

parts, January 1967), I learned from a defector-a

Minuteman aide who had access to their headquarters

files — about an allied group in New Orleans known as the

Anti-Communism League of the Caribbean. The League

was said by the aide to have been used by the CIA in its

engineering of the 1954 overthrow of the leftist Arbenz

government in Guatemala. The Minuteman defector said

the names of both Banister and Ward appeared in the

secret Minutemen files as members of the Minutemen and.

as operatives of the Anti-Communism League of the

Caribbean. He also divulged that militant anti-Castro

Cuban exiles were prominent in the Minutemen ranks.

With these pieces of the puzzle beginning to fit to-

gether, Garrison hopes to complete the picture. But he

will get no help from Banister and Ward. Potential wit-

nesses to the assassination secrets seem to have a propen-

sity for dying. In 1964, Banister, who drank heavily and

was given to wild sprees, suddenly died of a heart attack.

On May 23, 1965, Ward, a commercial pilot, was at the

controls of a Piper Aztec chartered by former New Or-

leans Mayor de Lesseps Morrison when the craft, engines

sputtering, crashed on a fog-shrouded hill near Ciudad

Victoria, Mexico. All aboard were killed.

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[THE PARAMILITARY OPERATION AT DEALEY PLAZA]

P

RESIDENT KENNEDY'S MURDER had all the ear-

marks of a paramilitary operation. The Dealey

Plaza site was ideal: tall buildings at one end, at

the other a grassy knoll projecting to within a

stone's throw of the roadway and covered by foliage. It

is the opinion of Garrison's investigators, and of this

writer, that the slowly-rolling Presidential limousine was

trapped in a classic guerrilla ambush— with simultaneous

fire converging from the knoll and from a multi-storied

buildin

This was the "triangulation," Russo said, that

David Ferrie had talked about-a sniper in the rear posi-

tion to divert the public's attention while the sniper in

front "could fire the shot that would do the job."

It was, in fact, the frontal fire that did the dreadful job.

The explosive head shot that snapped the President's head

backward and literally blew his brains into the air could

not have been the effect of a high-velocity rifle bullet fired

from the rear-such bullets pierce cleanly (a nurse at

Parkland Hospital said that when doctors attempted a

tracheotomy on the President, the damage was so great

the tube pushed out the back of his head). It was the effect

of a nasty hollow-nose mercury fulminate bullet, gen-

erally known as a "dum dum," which explodes on impact.

Although outlawed by the Hague Convention, exploding

bullets are favored by guerrilla fighters. An ex-CIA agent

who had received paramilitary training from the Agency

advises that the CIA supplied this type of bullet to the

anti-Castro forces it trained.

The first report of the assassination in the Dallas Times-

Herald afternoon edition-before the Warren Commis-

sion's three-shot, "magic bullet" theory was proclaimed-

read: "Witnesses said six or seven shots were fired." A

bullet mark on the curb belatedly analyzed by the FBI

• did not show traces of copper, as would have been the

case had the bullet been the copper-jacketed type al-

legedly fired by Oswald. "There definitely was a shot

fired from behind that fence," insists witness S. M. Hol-

land, referring to the partially concealed picket fence on

the grassy knoll. Holland, a crusty old railroader who

was standing on the Triple Underpass towards which the

President's limousine was heading, is the rare eyewitness

who survived both the bamboozling tactics of the Warren

Commission and Secret Service insistence that he change

his story.

Holland's account is complemented by the testimony

of the late Lee Bowers, who overlooked the parking lot at

the rear of the grassy knoll from his railroad tower.

Bowers said he saw two out-of-state automobiles and a

Texas automobile, apparently equipped with a two-way

radio, prowling the lot shortly before the assassination.

He also noticed two men in the lot near the fence; when

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the shots rang out they were partially obscured by the

trees, but there was "something out of the ordinary, a

sort of milling around."

Jim Garrison agrees that Oswald "was no Captain

Marvel." The D.A. says: "The fatal shots came from the

front." In this context Oswald's indignant protest while

in custody, "I didn't kill anybody ... I'm just a patsy"

may prove, after Garrison finishes, to be true.

There is scientific evidence tending to support it. The

Dallas police made paraffin casts of Oswald's hands and

right cheek in order to chemically test for nitrates. Al-

though many common substances can deposit nitrates,

the blowback from a gun ordinarily deposits an appre-

ciable amount. The test showed positive reactions for

both hands; a negative reaction for the cheek.

Ordinarily, a right-handed man who has shot both a

pistol and a rifle, as Oswald was accused of doing, would

have nitrates on the right hand and cheek. Most likely the

source of the nitrates on Oswald's hands was fingerprint

ink-he had been finger and palm printed before the

paraffin was applied.

Moreover, the FBI subjected the casts to Nuclear

Activation Analysis, a relatively new technique, so sensi-

tive it can detect a thimbleful of acid in a tankcar of

water. Deposits on the casts, the FBI reported, "could

not be specifically associated with the rifle cartridges," but

ballistics expert Cortlandt Cunningham did not view the

result as exculpating Oswald. "A rifle chamber is tightly

sealed," he testified, "and so by its very nature, I would

not expect to find residue on the right cheek of a shooter."

This explanation seemed so implausible I contacted

Dr. Vincent Guinn of General Atomics in San Diego, who

pioneered the development of the NAA process. He said

that he and Raymond Pinker of the Los Angeles police

crime lab were also curious about the test, and ordered an

Italian Carcano rifle such as Oswald supposedly fired.

They fired the obsolete weapon, which some authorities

think is liable to blow up, and tested their cheeks. Nitrates

from the blowback were present in abundance.

[LEE HARVEY OSWALD]

NOTHER COMPONENT of the Garrison theory is that

Oswald was not a dedicated communist at

all, but an agent of the CIA who may have

been trained at the Agency's facility at Atsugi

Air Force Base in Japan in 1959. He was a revolutionary

looking for a revolution-any revolution-and he found

a cause with the CIA-sponsored paramilitary right wing

planning the overthrow of Castro.

The paramilitary right wing is composed of numerous

factions over which the Minutemen exert a loose hegem-

ony. It is cross-pollinized with Birchers, Klanners, States

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Banister

Ferrie worked on and off for Banister

as an investigator, and the mutual affinity

was such that in 1962, when Eastern Air

Lines was in it press of dismissing

Ferrie for publicity over alleged homo:

sexual

acts, Banister

appeared at a

Miami hearing and delivered an impas-

sioned plea on his behalf. When Banister

suddenly died, the

ex-pilot evidently

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acquired

part, of his files. When he

realized he was a prime suspect in Gar-

rison's probe, Ferrie systematically dis-

posed of his papers and documents for

the years 1962 and 1963. But in photo-

copying the bibliography of a cancer

paper he had written (at one time he had

caged mice in his home on which he

experimented with cancer implants), he

inadvertantly overlapped

the bottom

portion of notes recording the disposi-

tions. Included is the notation: "Copies

of B's (presumably Banister's] microfilm

files to Atlanta rite-wingers [sic]."

The Banister files were reputed to be

the largest

collection of

"anti-com-

munist intelligence" in Louisiana, and

part were sold by his widow to the Sov-

ereignty Commission, a sort of state

HUAC, where a Garrison investigator

was able to examine them. Banister's

filing system was

modeled after the

FBI's, and contained files on both friends

and foes. The "10" and "23" classifica-

tion dealt with Cuban matters; 23-5, for

example, was labeled Cuban Democratic

Revolutionary Front and 10-209 simply

Cuban File. There was a main file, 23-14,

labeled Shaw File, but someone had

completely stripped it before Garrison's

man got there.

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The "somebody." one can surmise

from the Gordon Surel episode which

follows, was mi CIA. Novel is wanted

by the DA as a material witness in the

1961 burglary of the Schlumberger Well

Co. munitions dump near New Orleans.

Subpoenaed by the grand jury

last

March, Novel filed to McLean, Virginia,

next door to the CIA complex at Lang-

ley, and took a lie detector test admin-

istered by a former Army intelligence

officer which, he boasted to the press,

proved Garrison's probe was a fraud: He

then skipped first to Montreal and then

to Columbus, Ohio, from where Gover-

nor James Rhodes, in one of the most

absurd stipulations ever attached to a

normally routine procedure, refuses to

extradite him unless Garrison agrees not

to question him on the assassination.

From his Ohio sanctuary the fugitive

cryptically asserted that the munitions

caper was one of "the most patriotic

burglaries in history." When an enter-

prising reporter took him to a marathon

party, Novel's indiscreet tongue loos-

ened further. According to the States-

Item article, Novel's oft-repeated ac-

count was that the munitions bunker

was a CIA staging point for war materiel

destined for use in the impending Bay of

Pigs invasion. He is quoted as saying

that on the day the munitions were

picked up, he "was called by his CIA

contact and told to join a group which

was ordered to transport munitions from

the bunker to New Orleans." The key to

the bunker was provided by his CIA

contact. Novel reportedly said the others

in the CIA group at the bunker were

David Ferrie Sergio Arcacha Smith-

New Orleans delegate to the Cuban De-

mocratic Revolutionary Front-and sev-

eral Cubans. The munitions, according

to his account, were dropped in Novel's

office, Ferrie's home and

Banister's

office-storeroom.

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IRS?

also is rumored to have been the tip-off man between the

Dallas police and the Dallas underworld... Ruby oper-

ated his businesses on a cash basis, keeping no record

whatsoever—a strong indication that Ruby himself was

involved in illicit operations of some sort... His primary

technique in avoiding prosecution was the maintenance

of friendship with police officers, public officials,

and

other influential persons in the Dallas community."

Nor did the letter ignore Ruby's affinity for Cuba. "In

about 1959, Ruby became interested in the possibility

of selling war materials to Cubans and in the possibility

of opening a gambling casino in Havana." The pushy

entrepreneur's continuing interest in Cuba was discussed.

CIA, instructed the Commission staffers, should con-

sider the possibility of "ties between Ruby and others

who might have been interested in the assassination of

President Kennedy." They specifically mentioned a num-

ber of people thought to know Ruby, including former

Havana gambler Lewis J. McWillie, a Birch Society

official, and oilmen H. L. and Lamar Hunt.

For months the CIA was silent. When finally dunned

by the Commission it simply said that its files contained

"no information on Jack Ruby or his activities" or any

link with Oswald. The reply came after the Commission

had concluded its deliberations.

"There is much more to Ruby than meets the eye,"

attests one of Garrison's chief sleuths, Louis Gurvich.

Garrison has produced a former Dallas cab driver, Ray:

mon Cummings, who is prepared to testify he twice drove

Oswald ta Ruby's Carousel Club, once in the company

of David Ferrie

Chere alread

exists a body of evidence tying Oswald

to Ruby. For example, there is Wilbryn Waldon "Bob"

Litchfield II, who claimed he saw Oswald waiting to see

Ruby at the club a month before the assassination. Litch-

field was waiting to see Ruby himself, and accurately

described a third man-whose presence has been verified.

There is also Carroll Jarnagin, an attorney reputed to

have a photographic memory. In a voluntary statement to

the FBI, Jarnagin told of overhearing an ear-pricking

colloquy between Oswald and Ruby in the Carousel Club

the night of October 4, 1963. The gist of it was that Os-

wald was to be hired to assassinate Texas Governor John

Connally with a rifle from a high building. Bobby Ken-

nedy had clamped down on racket activity in Chicago

and Castro had ousted the American gamblers from

Cuba. The reasoning was that if the straightlaced Con-

nally could be eliminated, Texas, which is "right next to

Mexico," could be opened up and "there'd be money

for everybody."

Jarnagin's testimony was discounted by the Warren

Commission, largely on the strength of a lie detector test

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" The Inquest"

given by D.A. Henry Wade. The result, claimed Wade,

was that Jarnagin was sincere but his story "fanciful" -

a determination well beyond the capacity of a polygraph.

Ruby's gangster links are well established, and his

connection

with one Paul Rolland Jones is a story in

itself. Jones averred he had been introduced to Ruby in

Chicago in the late 1940's by several syndicate hoods, and

later got to know Jack and his sister Eva, who ran the.

Singapore Club in Dallas, quite well. He had come to

Dallas as an emissary of the mob to negotiate "a piece

of the action."

He approached then-sheriff Steve Guthrie and an ob-

scure lieutenant on the police force, George Butler, to

arrange for protection. The two pretended to play along,

then sprung a trap on Jones and charged him with

bribery. Butler became a hero of sorts, and was tapped

to assist the Kefauver Committee in its 1950 rackets

hearings. But Jones told the FBI he believes Butler was

at first in earnest and wanted a pay-off, desisting only

when he learned the Texas Rangers were wise to the

negotiations.

Butler is still a lieutenant, working out of the juvenile

bureau. The assignment seemingly permits him leeway

for his activities as the self-professed leader of extreme

right wing elements on the force. In 1961, while in rural

Midlothian, Texas, to make an anti-communist speech, he

offered Penn Jones Jr., the scrappy editor of the Mid-

lothian Mirror, the opportunity to print a statewide

newspaper under the auspices of the Ku Klux Klan. He

boasted, Jones says, that one half of the police force

belonged to the KKK. He frequently escorts H. L. Hunt

to various public engagements.

It was Lt. George Butler who was in overall charge of

the transfer of Oswald on November 24 and who gave the

"all clear" te bring the prisoner into the basement.

Early in 1959, when Castro came to power, Ruby

looked covetously to Cuba. He made overtures to sell

surplus jeeps to the Cuban premier, and tried to wangle

a letter of introduction from a known Castro partisan

in Houston. Late in 1959 he visited gambler Lewis

McWillie in Havana on what he later called a "purely

social" trip. While there he boasted to at least two U.S.

citizens that he was "in with both sides." Most prominent

of the anti-Castroites whose friendship he claimed was

Rolando Masferrer, a Batista henchman.

Ruby's Cuba interests and crime syndicate connections

converge in the testimony of Nancy Perrin Rich, a fast-

living young lady four times around the marriage cycle

and a one-time police informant. In 1962, she arrived in

Dallas on the heels of her then husband, Robert Perrin,

who at various times had been a bodyguard to top hood-

lums, a narcotics smuggler and a gun-runner to Franco

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clumps-Ferrie desperately studied

medicine to try to halt the process-

until his body was entirely devoid of

hair. One speculation is that he was

moonlighting and suffered a physiolog-

ical reaction to exposure to the extreme

altitudes required for clandestine flights.

Chinese Nationalist U-2 pilots report-

edly have suffered the same hair-loss

phenomenon.

.One of Ferrie's covert tasks in the New

Orleans area was to drill small teams in

guerrilla warfare. One of his young

proteges has revealed that he trained

some of his Civil Air Patrol cadets and

Cubans and formed thema into five man

small weapons units, this under ibe

auspices of the Marine Corps and State

Department. Coupled with this in the

information from anories former proi

tege that Ferrie comfided "ho was work-

ing for the CIA rescuing Cubans ouf of

Castro prisons," and on one occation

was called to. Miami so that the CIA

could "rest him to see il tes was the type

of person who told his business to any-

body." In a speech before the Military

Order of World Warn in New Orleans in

late 1961, Ferrie related that be had

mained pilots in Guntersala for the Bay.

of Pigs, and professed biter disappoint.

irent toat they were nor toed.

Clay Shaw,

an internatona trut

afficial with top-level contacts in Latin

America and Europe, would Have been a

astural target for ClA recruitment.

Gortion Novel, who was acqueined

with Shaw, was quoted by the States

foam as venturing that Shaw may have

becil asked by the ClA to observe lha

traffic of foreign commerce through New

Orteans.

More persiasive in Shaw's

membership on the boand of directors of

a fira called Centro Alondiale Commen

ciale in Rome. According to the newa

papers Passe Sera of Rome and Le De

voir of Montreal, among others of the

foreign press, CMC was an obscure but

well-financed firm that was ousted from

Haly by the police because it was sus

pected of being a CIA front. It trans-

planted its operation to the more friendly

climate of Johannesburg, South Africa,

where it still functions.

The

same group that incorporated

CMC also set up a firm called Permidex

Corporation in Switzerland, but that

company was dissolved by

the Swiss

government when it was proved to be a

conduit for funds destined for the Secret

Army Organization (OAS), a group of

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right-wing French officers dedicated to

"keeping Algeria French" by force of

arms. The composition

of the CMC

group with which Shaw was associated

is of more than cursory interest, since it

includes a former U.S. intelligence off

cer, now an executive of the Bank of

Montreal; the publisher of the neo-Nazi

National-Zeitung of Germany; Prince

Guitere de Spadaforo, an Italian in

dustrialist related by marriage to Hitler

finance minister Hjalmar Schacht; and

the lawyer to the Italian royal family and

secretary

of the Italian neo-Fascist

Party. Through his attorney, Shaw has.

stated he joined the CMC board of dt

rectors in 1958. at the insistence of his

on board of directors of the Interne

tonal Trade Mart of New Orleans.

N AUGUST: 1, 1963,: the front

page of the States-Item carried

two: news stories which, Gerti

son asserts, symbolize the bitter end of

the paramilitary right's tolerance of John

F. Kennedy. "A-Treaty Signing Set On

Monday" was the lead to ame story, dit

closing that: the test bas treaty was

about to become reality and that s

NATO Warsaw bloc nonageression pect

was in the wind "Explosives Cache

Home. Lent to Cuban, Says Ownirs

Wife," announced the lead to anotber

story, telling of an FBI raid on a militizy

training site and arms cache on the north.

side of Lake Pontchartrain. Agueta bed

seized more than a ton of chamite, 20

100-pownd bomb casings, fusee, napalan

ingredients and other war materiel:

The whipsaw developments- Kenne-

dy's patent determination to effect a

rapprochement with the communist sh.

lions on the one hand, his crackdown

under the Neutrality Act on sist Castro

paramilitary groups on the Öther-ing-

gered a rage against the President that

would find vent in his assassinition.

The true nature of the group raided at

Lake Pontchartrain was

not. evident

from the story. The FBI announced no

arrests, and the wife of the property

owner, Mrs. William J. McLaney, gave

out the cover story that the premises had

been loaned to a newly-arrived Cuban

named Jose Juarez as a favor to friends

in Cuba. (McLaney had been well

known as a gambler associated with the

Tropicana Hotel in Havana before being

ousted by Castro in 1960.)

According to information leaked to

Garrison by another government agency,

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the FBI had in fact arrested 11 men, then

quietly released them. Among those in

the net was Acelo. Pedro Amores, be-

lieved to be a former Batista official who

slipped out of Cuba in

1960.

Also

caught was Richard Lauchli Jr, one of

the founders of the Mintemen. Lauchli,

who poescssed a federal license to manu-

facture weapons in his Collinsville, Illi-

nois machine shop, was arrested again

in 1964 when Treasury investigators,

posing as agents of a South American

country, trapped him in a deal to sell a

huge quantity of illicit automatic arms.

The others arrested were American ado

venturers and Cuban exiles.

Garrison believes that the assassina-

tion team at Dealey Plaza included rene-

gave Minutemen operating without the

knowledge of the group's central bead.

quarters, Free-lance terrorism

has

plagued Minutemen national coordina-

for Robert Delugh since the organiza-

tion's inception, and there have been

several abortive assassination schemes

batched by individual cliques.

For exampte, in 1962, a Dallas ex-

tremist using the pseudonym John Mor-

ris was given money by & Minutemen

clique at the Liberty Mall in Kansas

Cly to subsidize the sniper saying of

Senator J. William Fulbright of Arkan-

sas. The plan called for Morris to escape

in a plana flown by a Texas man, but

DePugh got wind of it and aborted it.

And a Cuban exile close to Guy Banister

has told Garbon that in 1962 Minute

man Banister seriously discussed "put-

ting poison in the air conditioning ducts

in the Havana Palace and killing all

occupants.""

The latest plot to surface was formu-

lated in Dallas in September 1966; its

target was Stanley Marcus of the Nei-

man-Marcus department store, a pro-.

United Nations liberal who somehow

has managed to thrive in rigidly con

servative Dallas. According to an in-

formant

who

was present,

several

Minutemen decided to ambush Marcus

outside of Dallas, because

"another

assassination in Dallas would be too

much." Again, there was a leak and the

plan fell through. However,

as

the

Warren Report might phrase it, such

schemes "establish the propensity to

kill" on the part of the radical right.

"Minutemen" has become an almost

generic term for the paramilitary right.

a far from homogenous movement.

Some elements are driven primarily by

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Oswald ti,st

An intriguing entry in Oswald's ad-

dress book is the word "microdots"

appearing on the page on which he has

notated the address and phone number

of Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall (CF 18, p. 45).

Microdot:

area clundestine means of

communition developed ly German

intelligence during World War II and

sull in general use among espionage

agencies The technique is to photograph

the document in he transmitted and

vastly reduce the negate to a size that

will fit inside a period. The microdot

can be inserted in an innocuous letter or

magazine and mailed, or left in a "dead

drop'-a prearranged location for the

deposit and pickup of messages.

Thus it may be significant that Oswald

obtained library cards in Dallas and

New Orleans. and usually visited the

libraries on Thursday. The possible im-

plication of his visits was not overlooked

by the FBI, which confiscated every book

he ever charged out, and never returned

them. A piece that may fit into the puzzle

is the discovery by Garrison of an adult

borrower's card issued by the New Or-

leans public library in the name Clem

Bertrand. The business address shown is

the International Trade Mart [Shaw's

former place of employment], and the

home address 3100 Louisiana Avenue

Parkway, a wrong number, but conspic-

uously close to that of David Ferrie at

3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway. There

may be a pattern here, since Oswald sup-

posedly carried a card issued to Ferrie

when arrested in Dallas.

Still another hint of Oswald's intelli-

gence Status is the inventory of his prop-

erty seized by Dallas police after the

assassination. Included is such sophisti-

cated optical equipment as a Sterio

Realist camera, a Hanza camera timer.

filters, a small German camera, a Wol-

lensak 15 power telescope, Micron 6X

hinoculars and a variety of film- hardly

the usual accouterments of a lowly ware-

houseman (Stovall Exhibits).

Upon his return from Russia, the man

w hr subscribed to Pravda in the Marine

Corps and lectured his fellow Marines

on Marxist dialectics set about insti-

rutionalizing his leftist facade. He wrote

, ingratiating letters to the national head-

quarters of the Communist Party, Fair

Play for Cuba Committee and Socialist

Workers Party (a copy of the famous

snapshot of Oswald with a revolver on

his hip, a rifle in one hand and the Party

organ, the Militant, in the other was

mailed to the SWP office in New York

in April 1963). Garrison believes the

facade was intended to facilitate his

entry into communist countries for spe-

cial missions.

Photographs try Willam W. Turner

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Norton, In de?

There is a surfeit f indications of

Oswald's status.

sory of

Donald P. Norton. Wire, runs he was

impressed into the Agency's service in

1957 under threat of exposure as a homo-

sexual. In September 1962, Norton re-

lated, he was dispatched from Atlanta

to Mexico with $50,000 for an anti-

Castro group. He had no sooner regis-

tered in the Yamajel Hotel in Monterrey,

Mexico, per instructions, than he was

contacted by one Harvey Lee, a dead

ringer for Oswald except that his hair

seemed slightly thicker. In exchange for

the money, Lee gave him a briefcase

containing documents in manila en-

velopes. According to plan, Norton de-

livered the briefcase to an employee of

an American oil firm in Calgary, Alber-

ta, who repeated the pass phrase, "The

weather is very warm in Tulsa."

Norton also contends he met David

Ferrie earlier in his CIA career. In early

1958, he was tapped for a courier trip to

Cuba and told to meet his contact at the

Eastern Air Lines counter at the Atlanta

airport. The contact

was it singular-

appearing man who cair: timsell Hugh

Pharris or. Ferris; Norton nue states it

was Ferrie.

"Here are your simples."

Ferrie

remarked, handing Norion

phonograph record. "It is in the jacket.

"It" was $150,000, which Norton duly

delivered to a Cuban television perform-

er in Havana. Norton asserts he went 10

Freeport, Grand Bahamas, on an Agency

assignment late in 1966, and upon his

return to Miami his contact instructed

that "something was happening in New

Orleans, and that I [Norton] should take

a long, quiet vacation."

He did, and started to fret about the

"people wbo have died in recent months

like Ferries" Then he decided to con-

tact Garrison. Norton was given a lie

detector test, and there were no indica-

tions of deception.

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Fine

Ferrie's involvement with the CIA

seems to stem mainly from his anti-

Castro paramilitary activity, although

there is a suggestion that he was at one

time a pilot for the Agency. In the late

1940s and early 1950s he flew light

planes commercially in the Cleveland,

Ohio area, and was rated by his col-

leagues as an outstanding pilot. In the

middle 1950s there is an untraceable gap

in his career. Then he turns up as an

Eastern Air Lines pilot. Although he

supposedly obtained an instrument rat-

ing at the Sunnyside Flying School in

Tampa, Florida, there is no record that

any such school ever existed.

A clue to Ferrie's activities may lie in

the loss of hair he suffered. A fellow em-

ployee at Eastern recalls

that when

Ferrie first joined the line he was "hand-

some and friendly," but in the end be-

came "moody and paranoiac-afraid the

communists were out to get him." The

personality

change coincided with

gradual loss of hair. First a bald spot

appeared, which Ferrie explained was

caused by acid dripping from a plane

battery. Then the hair began falling out

Map by John Williams

in clumps-Ferrie desperately studied

medicine to try to halt the process-

until his body was entirely devoid of

hair. One speculation is that he was

moonlighting and suffered a physiolog

ical reaction to exposure to the extreme

altitudes required for clandestine flights.

Chinese Nationalist U-2 pilots report-

edly have suffered the same hair-loss

phenomenon.

One of Ferrie's covert tasks in the New

Orleans area was to drill small teams in

guerrilla warfare. One

of his young

proteges has revealed that he trained

some of his Civil Air Patrol cadets and

Cubans and formed them into five-man

small weapons units, this under the

auspices of the Marine Corps and State

Department. Coupled with this is the

information from another former pro-

lege that Ferrie confided "he was work-

ing for the CIA rescuing Cubans out of

Castro prisons," and on one occasion

was called to Miami so that the CIA

could "test him to see if he was the type

of person who told his business to any-

body." In a speech before the Military

Order of World Wars in New Orleans in

late 1961; Ferrie related that he had

trained pilots in Guatemala for the Bay

of Pigs, and professed bitter disappoint-

ment that they were not used.

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Terrie

SO THE PROBE REFOCUSED ON Ferrie,

December

15 he was

I brought in for further questioning.

Asked pertinent details of the whirlwind

Texas trip in 1963, he begged lack of

memory and referred his questioners to

the FBI. What about the goose hunting?

"We did in fact get to where the geese

were and there were thousands," he re-

counted.

"But you couldn't approach

them. They were a wise bunch of birds."

• Pressed for details of what took place at

the ice rink, Ferrie became irritated. "Ice

skate-what do you think?" he snapped.

It didn't take the DA's men long to

poke holes in Ferrie's story. Melvin

Coffey, one of his companions on the

1963 Texas trip, deposed that it was not

a sudden inspiration:

Q. The trip was arranged before?

A. Yes.

Q. How long before?

A. A couple of days.

The probers also determined that no one

had taken along any shotguns on the

"goose-hunting" trip.

In Houston, the ice skating alibi was

similarly discredited. In 1963, the FBI

had interviewed Chuck Rolland, proprie-

tor of the Winterland Skating

Rink.

"FERRIE contacted him by telephone

November 22, 1963, and asked for the

skating schedule," a Bureau report, one

of the few unclassified documents on

Ferrie, reveals.

"Mr. FERRIE stated

that he was coming in from out of town

and desired to do some skating while in

Houston. On November 23, 1963, be-

tween 3:30 and 5:30 PM, Mr. FERRIE

and two companions came to the rink

and talked to Mr. ROLLAND." The

report continues that Ferrie and Rolland

had a short general conversation, and

that Ferrie remarked that "he and his

companions would be in and out of the

skating rink during the weekend" (Com-

mission Documents 301). When Garri-

son's men recently talked to Rolland,

they obtained pertinent facts that the

FBI had either missed or failed to report

in 1963. Rolland was certain that none

of the three men in Ferrie's party had ice

skated; Ferrie had spent the entire two

hours he was at the rink standing by a

pay telephone-and finally received a call.

At Houston International Airport,

more information was gleaned. Air serv-

ice personnel seemed to recall that in

1963 Ferrie had access to an airplane

based in Houston. In this craft, the flight

to Matamoros would take little more

than an hour.

Ferrie had patently lied about the pur-

pose of the trip. One of the standard

tactics of bank robbers is to escape from

the scene of the crime in a "hot car" that

cannot be traced to them, then switch

to a "cold car" of their own to complete

the getaway. Garrison considers it pos-

sible that Ferrie may have been the pilot

of a second craft in a two-stage escape of

the Dallas assassins to south of the

border, or may have been slated to be a

backup pilot in the event contingency

plans were activated.

Did Ferrie know Oswald? The pilot

denied it, but the evidence mounts that

he did. For example, there is now in

Garrison's hands information that when

Oswald was arrested by Dallas police, he

had in his possession a current New Or-

leans library card issued to David Ferrie.

Reinforcing the validity of this informa-

tion is a Secret Service report on the

questioning of Ferrie by that agency

when he was in federal custody in 1963.

During an otherwise mild interrogation,

Ferrie was asked, strangely enough, if he

lent his library card to Oswald. No, he

replied, producing a card from the New

Orleans public library in the name Dr.

David Ferrie. That card had expired.

When he realized he was a suspect in

Garrison's current investigation, Ferrie

seemed to deteriorate. By the time he

died on February 22, 1967, he was a

nervous wreck, subsisting on endless

cigarettes and cups of coffee and enough

tranquilizers to pacify an army. He had

sought out the press only days before his

death, labeling the probe a "fraud" and

complaining that he was the victim of a

"witch hunt." "I suppose he has me

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pegged as a getaway pilot," he remarked

bitterly.

When Garrison delivered his epitaph

of Ferrie as "one of history's most im-

portant individuals," most of the press

winked knowingly. The probe was, after

all, a publicity stunt, and the DA had

had his headlines.

Now that his prime

suspect had conveniently passed away,

he had the perfect excuse to inter his

probe alongside the deceased pilot.

But for DA Jim Garrison, it was not

the end but the beginning.

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Femie

ber 22, 1963, there were many men in

many places glancing at their watches.

But if we do not fight for the truth now,

we may never have another chance."

[THE FBI CLEARS A SUSPECT]

N THE MORNING AFTER the assassi-

nation, as the nation lay stunned

by grief, Garrison summoned

his staff to the office for a "brainstorm-

ing session" to explore the possibility

that Lee Harvey Oswald had accomplices

in New Orleans, where the previous sum-

mer he had stumped the streets advocat-

ing Fair Play for Cuba.

The DA's men put out feelers into the

city's netherworld, and it was First As-

sistant DA Frank Klein who registered

the first feedback. A slight, furtive, some-

time private eye named Jack S. Martin

confided that a David William Ferrie

had taken off on a sudden trip to Texas

the afternoon of the assassination. The

tipster knew Ferrie well, although there

was bad blood between them.

Both

had worked intermittently for the same

detective firm,

W. Guy Banister

Associates,

and were affiliated with

the

Apostolic Orthodox Old Catholic

Church, a sect steeped in theological

anti-communism.Anexceptionallyskilled

pilot, Ferrie had been dismissed from

Eastern Air Lines in 1962 due to pub-

licity over alleged homosexual activities.

According to Martin, Ferrie had com-

manded a Civil Air Patrol squadron of

which Oswald had once been a member.

He had taught Oswald to shoot with a

telescopic sight, and had become in-

volved with his protege in an assassina-

tion plot. Less than two weeks before the

target date, Ferrie had made a trip to

Dallas. His assigned role in the assassina-

tion, Martin said, was to fly the escaping

conspirators to Matamoros, Mexico,

near Brownsville, Texas.

When Ferrie returned to New Orleans

on the Monday following President

Kennedy's death, he was interrogated by

the DA's office. He said his trip had been

arranged "on the spur of the moment."

With two companions, Alvin Beauboeuf

and Melvin Coffey, he had driven straight

through to Houston Friday night. On

Saturday afternoon, the three skated at

an ice rink; that evening they made the

short jog to Galveston and hunted geese

Sunday morning. Sunday afternoon they

headed back to New Orleans, but de-

toured to Alexandria, Louisiana, to visit

relatives of Beauboeuf.

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Garrison was unconvinced by Ferrie's

account. An all-night dash through the

worst rainstorm in years to start a mer-

curial junket of over 1000 miles in three

days for recreational purposes was too

much to swallow. "It was a curious trip

to a curious place at a curious time,"

the DA recalls. He booked Ferrie as a

"fugitive from Texas" and handed him

over to the FBI. The G-men questioned

him intensively, then released him.

Since the 40-odd pages recording the

FBI interrogation of Ferrie are still

classified in the National Archives, one

can only surmise the reasons the Bureau

stamped its file on him "closed."

Apparently the FBI did not take the

pilot too seriously. A short Bureau docu-

ment in the National Archives reveals

Ferrie had admitted being "publicly and

privately" critical of Kennedy for with-

holding air cover at the Bay of Pigs, and

had used expressions like "he ought to

be shot," but agents agreed he did not

mean the threat literally.

Most convincing at the time, the fact

that Ferrie did not leave New Orleans

until hours after

the

assassination

seemed to rule out his role as a getaway

pilot. Moreover, the Stinson monoplane

he then owned was sitting at Lakefront

Airport in unflyable condition.

Accepting the FBI's judgment, Garri-

son dropped his investigation.

"I had

full confidence in the FBI then," he ex-

plains. "There was no reason to try and

second guess them."

constraint barely sufficient "for a man

to get off two shots from a bolt-action

rifle, much less three."

The DA's mind reverted to the strange

trip of pilot David Ferrie, and he began

to wonder how perceptive the FBI had

really been in dismissing the whole thing.

When he returned to New Orleans, he

went into virtual seclusion in his study

at home, lucubrating over the volumes

of the Warren Report. When he became

convinced that Oswald could not have

acted alone, and that at least a phase of

the conspiracy had been centered in New

Orleans, he committed his office to a

full-scale probe. He launched it quietly,

preferring to work more efficiently in

the dark.

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To: Archin

January 17, 1968

TO :

FROM:

IN RE:

JIM GARRISON, District Attorney

RICHARD V. BURNES, Assistant District Attorney

INVESTIGATION OF LEAD "4"--RELATIONSHIP OF CLAY

SHAW AND DAVID FERRIE

Lead "4" indicates that our office has information

that one PATRICK BURKE an attorney is aware of the relationship

between SHAW and FERRIE.

On January 9, 1968, at about 2:30 P.M.

I spoke to PATRICK BURKE an attorney in New Orleans on the telephone.

He stated he neither knows CLAY SHAW nOI DAVID FERRIE nor any reason

why our office would have information that he is aware of such a

relationship between the two subjects.

A transcript of our telephone conversation has been

prepared and will be attached to this memorandum.

I have known PATRICK BURKE since 1959 at which time

we both entered Tulane Law School in the Freshman Class.

never known anything that would cast suspicion upon his credibility.

Further investigation will be made if the informant

can be contacted.

RICHARD V. BURNES

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The following is a telephone interview between Assistant District

Attorney Richard V. Burnes. and Attorney at Law Patrick Burke.

This Interview was conducted on January 9, 1968

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This is Richard Burnes in the District Attorney's Office.

Would you see if Mr. Patrick Burke

me.

is available to talk with

I don't believe he's in, just a moment please.

He's not in.

May I take a message.

Would you have him call me please at 822-2414.

Would you give me your name again please?

Richard Burnes BURNES

Thank you

When do you expect him in?

He should be in

shortly. He went to lunch.

All right, thank you good-bye

RB

PB

RB

PB

RB

PB

RB

PB

RB

PB

RB

I hate to keep you waiting, but I was out of my office, I was

near the coffee pot when you called. Listen you might be

able to help me out with something.

Okay

Weren't you in the C.A.P., the Civil Air Patrol?

No, no, I was Merchant Marine type.

• Un huh

Seagoing

I knew you had some military background, and I thought you were

the Civil Air Patrol, and I'm checking in the background of

DAVE FERRIE and I understand that you knew him or something.

No, no not me.

you didn't know him in any way at

all?

No, uh uh, CAP? I don't even know anybody in the c.A.P.

as

a matter of fact.

Uh huh, well I didn't have any information that you were

in

the C.A.P., but I did hear that you knew DAVE FERRIE and I.

figured you probably knew him from the civil Air Patrol.

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PB

Oh no uh gee I've never heard of FERRIE until I read his name

in the papers

as

a matter of fact.

RB

Uh huh. What

about sHaw, did you know SHAw or anything?

PB

No uh uh, uh uh

RB

Pat, I've got some information that came to me, and I don't

know exactly what my source is but you knew SHAw and FERRIE

and some relationship between the two of them.

PB

Oh really!

RB

Yeah, that's right.

PB

No kidding

RB

That's what I'm trying to check out with you.

PB

No, I assure you un god I didn't hear of those people until

I read their names in the paper when this came up.

RB :

uh huh, well this could have happened from something you

might have said in just casual conversation.

Could you think

of anything that might have led someone to think this?

PB

Gosh no, I wouldn't think so, uh uh. Quite frankly I haven't

even been following

this matter after it broke sometime ago.

RB

Uh huh

PB

And actually there has been no scuttlebutt even you know

that I participated in about this.

RB

Uh huh

PB

so I don't think it could have been anything that anybody

could have

picked up.

RB

Right, do you know a HUGH CRAIN?

PB

HUGH CRAIN? No uh uh

RB

That's H-U-G-H CRAIN C-R-A-I-N

PB .

NO

RB

From Baton Rouge

PB

No uh uh

RB

And there's no way that uh--can you think of any time that

you were around with a group where they were talking about

DAVE FERRIE OF CLAY SHAW in other words

what I'd like to do

is to trace this thing back to its source because that way

I'm either investigating bad information or something

that

might have been said casually. you know, and I wanted to find

out.

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PB

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PB

RB

PB

RB

PB

RB

Gosh no, you know this

subject has

probably been kicked

around by everybody in town but this is outside of my

realm of law. I'm strictly an admiralty.

Right, I knew that.

And know nothing about criminal law so really I haven't

been too even interested in the whole matter, quite frankly.

• Uh huh. Well you know things like this happen. For instance

a wife of one of the announcers made some statement and she

actually made it.

We traced it all the way back to her and

it was just a casual conversation, but we did actually trace

it back to the time that it was said to someone else, you know

who accepted it as true and then passed it on to us, see and

that's what I'm digging out now.

But you don't know a HUGH

CRAIN, that's H-U-G-H CRAIN C-R-A-I-N.

No, I sure don't course you know I was raised, you might know

I was raised in Lake Charles and. uh I don't know maybe back

in my schoolhood days I don't know but the name doesn't ring

a bell with me at all, uh uh.

Let's

see before tulane, where did you go before the Law

School?

well of course I was at the Merchant Marine Academy in New

York before you know

Uh huh

Then I went to sea for three years

Uh huh

And prior to that I was well raised in Lake Charles.

uh huh, do you know anybody that might do this as a practical

joke?

Gosh no I don't.

If someone was. to ask me a question like that, I'd have a

list so long that

No, you really catch me by surprise.

playing a practical joke on me.

I thought maybe you were

No, positively not. My little note here says information

indicates that one Patrick Burke, an attorney, is aware of the

relationship between SHAW and FERRIE although

Burke appears

to be a New Orleans Attorney and this information appears to

have come

Baton Rouge and they referred me to a memorandum.

Um hum, um hum

So that uh...

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I don't

even know anyoody in Baton Rouge frankly, outside

the law field, you know, people, lawyers I deal with over

there.

Uh hum. Now there's no other Patrick Burkes that are

attorneys.

There's

a couple other Burkes.

Well there's a couple other--there's one other Pat Burke

that ran for an office that was getting me confused uh I

was getting confused with

all the time on telephone calls.

This is not the same one that's a brother of the guy that

ran for

the Mayor, is he?

•God, I don't know now: You mean Paul V. Burke.

.. Yeah

•I don't know, there're a lot of Burkes in New Orleans and

there is one other Pat Burke, but I don't think he's a

lawyer.

Of course if he ran for political office,

he might

be a lawyer.

Do you recall--you're the only Burke listed as Pat Burke

listed in the telephone directory--do you recall this other

Pat Burke do you happen to know when he ran or what he ran

for.

It might be...

It was about un let's see I saw a bumper sticker this was

about oh three months ago.

Um hum. Now wait a minute I've got the burkes in the phone

directory now, let's

see I,p,g, ris

And there was a fireman by the name of Burke, Pat Burke,

an elderly gentleman..

There's a fireman by that name and let's see.

All right

here's a Patrick B. Burke at 9012 Inez Drive, Jefferson

Parish, phone 737-6407. Do you know who he is?

No, uh uh.

BURKE here.

I don't know any other Burkes other than JIMMY

Let's see there's a PATRICK J. BURKE, 1549 Constance.

don't know him?

No.

And there's a PATRICK L. BURKE.

Okay, that would be me now.

All right that's both listed as attorney--there's a

BURKE.

PATRICK W.

No

SI., well it might be that they uh that they meant one of these

other PATRICK BURKES.

I don't know Dick as I say if uh I haven't even been interested

in the proceedings.

I've been tied up in my own little field

over here.

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•RB

Yeah, I imagine it keeps you pretty busy.

PB

But those names mean

absolutely nothing to me.

RB

Uh huh. Do you know anybody close to you that was discussing

uh I'm not trying to dig some information out of someone,

but I'm trying to find out how this got initiated so that

• I can...

PB

'trace it down, I understand.

RB

Right, in other words get it right back to the fountainhead

and either say that uh this is what caused a misreport or

just, you know.

PB

The people I run around with socially are all my partners

and

uh like myself we're really not interested in this in this

proceeding at all I mean we talk about our own law, legal

problems, you know.

RB

Would anyone play any pranks on you that would uh telephone

pranks or anything?

PB

No, not that I know of Dick.

RB . Um hum

PB

Except I did get a little prank that I thought was quite

funny not too long ago in the mail about whether or not I'd

take the place of some herman who was sitting as an idiot

for some

evangelist I think or something of that nature.

RB

Uh huh, did you ever find out who did it?

PB

No, I

never

did, uh uh.

RB.

Now would admiralty practice unless you're representing

claimants you wouldn't have many people that would go out

with uh any vindictiveness enough

to do something.

PB

Well no because my clients are all insurance (inaudible)

I'm strictly defense.

RB

Yeah

PB

And all my contacts are all London really.

RB

Right so you wouldn't have this kind of thing.

PB

No uh uh

RB

Well

you've helped me a lot. Now I'm going to get this

memorandum from HUGH CRAIN that I'm referring to here and I'm

going to go over it and it may have some information in there

that we can check out or you can recognize or something so I

can trace this down and uh they may be even mistaken about

the PATRICK BURKE.

Oh, here's another thing, have you ever

been mistaken for another BURKE who's an attorney not in Orleans?

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PB

NO

In other words have you ever gotten any letters or any calls

or any...

Oh yeah, I've been getting letters up here as an attorney for

PAT BURKE and

I'm getting calls all the time wanting me to

represent a divorcee or "something of that nature, you know.

No, what I mean is that belongs to another attorney named

BURKE, PAT BURKE, for instance I'm always asked if I'm related

to one of the Burnes that are practicing law, and I'm always

telling them no.

Um hum, no, I can't say that I, have, Dick.

Uh

huh.

well, this helps me out, Pat, and if I find out that

anything further on the memorandum, I'll give you a call back.

Feel free to do so.

Okay, thank you very much.

Okay..

Good-bye

Bye

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MEMORANZUM

January 25,

1968

TO :

JIM GARRISON, District Attorney.

FROM:

RICHARD V. BURNES, Assistant, District Attorney

RE:

CLAY SHAW CONSPIRACY TO MURDER JOHN F. KENNEDY

= -

On January 11; 1968, I returned a telephone call

which our office received on January 10, 1968. The call came

from Nowatea, Oklahoma.

The calling number was 273-3226.

The calling party was a MR. ROBINSON.

The telephone is not

that of MR. ROBINSON's, but that of

a' neighbor's.

MR. ROBINSON read to me a statement from a JOHN M.

TUCKER which he had received.

The statement related to the

involvement of DAVE FERRIE and CLAY SHAW in a conspiracy to

• murder John F. Kennedy. MR. ROBINSON does not know the present

location of JOHN TUCKER, but he will forward the letter to us

and attempt to locate TUCKER. A transcript of the conversation

is attached.

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TELEPHONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN MR. ROBINSON, NOWATEA, OKLAHOMA, AND

-RICHARD V. BURNES, ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY

R.

I have a letter

and he told me (inaudible)

I am aware of it.

R. I thought maybe he might want to see the letter.

B.. All right who is--can you tell me something about the letter?

R.

I have it. I could read it to you.

B.

Well, I'm interested in hearing about it because right now see

I don't know who you are or really what the letters are about

or anything.

R. Yeah uh let me get it, and I'll read it to you.

B. All right, do you have it there?

R. I'Il get it that quick. I hope. Are you ready?

B. Right

R. It says uh I'll read it exactly like it was wrote.

B. Okay

R.: It says, "I, John M. Tucker, give this paper to J. J. Robertson

on the above date putting my signature to it that its authority

will be known.

I was in New Orleans in the first--wait just a

second--in the first quarter of 1962 and there I met an individual

now under investigation for the conspiracy of the murder of

John F. Kennedy. At the time I did not know of any conspiracy

or plan and was never a member of any right or left wing party

merely an individual exposed for a short time to the planning of

a distorted person.

I judge the individual to be something of a

However, since

homosexual and thought to go along for a laug. to realize that

the beginning of this investigation I have come

the individual was none other than FERRIE--is that it--

B. FERRIE

R. He introduced himself and is now deceased. I was introduced to

-another

person by FERRIE who is now very much alive and claims

no knowledge of who FERRIE was."

And is signed by JOHN TUCKER.

B. All right, now let me ask you something. Did he explain to you

anything further besides the letter?

R. Yeah he did.

B. " Who was the person he was referring to is alive?

R. As what?

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B.:

Who is the live person he is referring to?

R..

Just a minute.

B..

Mr. Robinson?

R.

It says here that sooner of later his name will come up in

the investigation.

•B.:

Uh huh

R. . " And uh

if not that then my description of him--as he

says here that sooner or later his name will come up in the

investigation--this individual that gave me this.

B. . Uh huh.

NOW

let me ask you this uh what is your address where

I can get in touch with you?

R.

You have the phone number where you can get in touch with me.

B. Right, can you give me a street

address or anything?

R. 108 N. McCaffero.

B.

108 where?

R.. N. McCaffero

B.

No. McCaffero, how do you spell McCaffero?

R.

M-C C-A-F-F-E-R-O

B.

Okay, and now what do you do for a living, normally?

R: Ah I'm just a mechanic.

B. Are you employed at any particular place now?

R. Yes sir.

B.. Could you tell me where it is?

R.

For my father.

B. -All right, and where is his business located?

R. Tulsa, Oklahoma.

And what's the name of his business or how--in other words I want

to be able to get in touch with you incase I need to call you

about something.

R:

Well, you can call me right here at this phone number which would

be okay.

B. All right now in this guy TUCKER, how can I get in touch with him?

R.: Uh the last time I seen him he was in Muskogee.

Muskogee.

He was going to

B.

Well now isn't that where Norman, Oklahoma is and Oklahoma City,

around in there?

R. : "Muskogee?

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B.

Uh huh

R. No, Muskogee is right over here by Tulsa.

B. Oh, 'I see. You wouldn't know how to get in touch with him now?

R. : : No, not

right off I wouldn't, but I could probably write a letter

make two or three phone calls and get in touch with him.

B. I would like to get in touch with him, you know,

a witness.

I'd also like to get a copy of that statement if it's at all

possible.

R. Well that's the reason why I saved it.

B. . Uh huh

R.. He told me that if anything was to happen to him to mail this to

you.

B. Uh huh

R. I decided I'd go ahead and do it anyway.

B.

well if you would, it would help us an awful lot you know for us

to have this information. I'd really like to get, you know, the

name of your daddy so that I could locate you through him in case

we ever lost connection with each other if you feel like you can

give it to me now I wouldn't alert him to anything, you know, if

I had to call you.

R.

Well, I'll tell you what. : .

B.

You see what my problem is that you may move and you may be

intending to let me know and a couple of weeks may pass or something

and uh it would help a lot if I knew how to get in touch with you!

R. Well if you want to write a letter or if you want to call me, you

can call me at this phone number because I'll always be within

hollering distance of it.

B.

okax, now how far is Nowatea from Tulsa?

R. Ah fifty-two miles.

B. Fifty-two miles and you drive to work each day over in

R.

B.

Right uh all right I guess this is the information and you will

send me a copy of the letter?

R. Well, would you rather have a photostatic copy of it?

B. Either a copy of the letter, either one will be fine.

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Well look here I'll tell you what I can do.

letter just as it's written here.

I can mail this

B.:

Uh huh

R.

And another little piece of paper which I didn't read to you.

I'll just stick it right in there.

B:

. Uh huh

R.:.

And mail this to you.

B. Uh huh. Did he tell you who this other man is, in other words.

R. Yes he did. He told me a lot of things about it.

B. Can you tell me who it is?

R.

"No, I can't remember what that guy's name was. I'll tell you

what he did. He was uh a manufacture.

B.

Coffee Company?

R.. No, I believe it was clothing.

B. . Uh huh, clothing manufacture?

R. Yes sir.

B. And uh

R. I'd know his name if I'd ever hear it.

B..

Well, the thing is I don't know the names of all the people under

investigation. It may be that we have the name but.

R..

You do?

B. I said it may be, but I mean I wouldn't know-necessarily know because

they're a lot of us working on it, see.

R:

_Yeah

B. So that's why uh

R.

B. FERRIE

R. ' FERRIE?

B. : Right.

Now did he tell you anything about this clothing manufacture

or anything else or any other information that you can pass on to

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R..

He told me that they were at a party.

B:

Uh huh

R.

And at the time he knew that there was

something connecting a

big politician involved.

B.

Uh huh

R.

And uh that they asked him to go along with--I don't

see why

that he didn't because

he's that type of person anyway.

B. Um hum, you mean he's involved in criminal conduct himself?

R.

Um hum

B...

Uh huh

R. And this says here that I knew there was something in the wind

about a big politician, but I didn't know what or who at the time.

B.

Uh huh

R. And FERRIE introduced me to several people.

B.

Uh huh.

any time?

Did he ever mention the name of CLAY SHAw to you at

R. CLAY SHAW, that's it.

B. That is the person?

R. That's the person.

B.: That's the person. Well he is presently under charges down here.

R. Yeah, well that's him.

B.: Um hum. Did he use the name CLAY BERTRAND also or

not?

R. BERTRAND?

B. BERTRAND, CLEM OR CLAY BERTRAND.

_R.. CLAY BERTRAND, well is he known as BERT?

- B. I don't know.

R. If he's known as BERT, he did but otherwise I couldn't say.

B.

Well, this is going to help us a lot.

I do wish you could tell

us how to get in touch with TUCKER you know someway where we could

see if he wants to help us.

R. Well, I'll try.

B.

All right, I'll appreciate it very much.

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R.

And if I can get in touch with him I'll have to--I don't know

what he'll say.

B.: Um hum

R.: But he was had a feeling he was going to get into bad trouble

or something over there.

B. Um hum

R. And he told me if he did come up missing or anything like that

to mail this letter down there to Mr. Garrison.

B.

Al1 right well let me say this.

If he didn't have any part in

any plan of plot or conspiracy, there's no way that he could get'

in trouble from us uh if he's a witness there's just no way that

he could get in any trouble.

Quite frankly if he

took part in

something like that, he would be in trouble if we found out about

it uh naturally, but the point of it is if he's just a witness,

just happened to be there and had no participation, he'd have

nothing to worry about and if we used him as a witness and he had

to come down here, we would certainly pay the expenses to bring

him down here which you know we're required to do under law

anyway.

But we would try not to embarrassed him.

I'd quite

frankly like to talk to him and see if uh what information he

has.

Do you think he was telling you the truth or do you think

that he was making it up?

R. Yes, I really believe the boy was.

B.: Well I. . .

R.

He has no reason to tell me lies about anything and the way he

talked we were always discussing socialism and what not.

B. Uh huh

R. And uh he's pretty well set on his way of life.

B.: Uh huh. Well if you can help me get him to find out how to locate

him, I will certainly appreciate it and I will look forward to the

R. I'll register this

B. :: You can send it either to Jim Garrison or Richard Burnes.

R.

B.

R.

Richard Burnes?

let me write this (Mae, could have

a piece of

paper please uh I'd rather have a tablet, I can use

it to write on)

You say Richard Burnes?

Right B-U-R-N-E-S and I'm

an Assistant District Attorney

I need a pencil too, my ballpoint pen ran out of ink.

B-U-R-N-E-S?

B. That's correct and I'm an Assistant District Attorney,

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R.

Assistant District Attorney

B.:

-2700

R.

2700

B.

Tulane Avenue

R.

Tulane? I-U-L-A-N-E?

B..

Right, New Orleans, Louisiana.

R.

New Orleans?

B.

New Orleans, Louisiana.

R.

LA. Okay

B. Now what was TUCKER's first initials again?

R.

"J"

B.

"J" was it "J. J." or what?

R.

No, JOHN M.

B. JOHN M. TUCKER

R. . Um hum

B...

About how old is he?

R. Right at 31,32

B. 31 or 32. About what kind of work does he normally do?

R.

I swear I couldn't say, butl believe now that he's a salesman.

B. All right.

R. That's what he's always done.

B. I'm going to need your help to get in touch with him, and I'd love

to have an address from him.

R.

I don't know for sure.

B.

The truth is since you're the only one that knows how to get in

touch with him, I won't be able to find him unless you could help

me do it, see.

R. Well, I'll help you all I can.

B. " And I'll appreciate it very much. Well I'll look for a letter from

you then.

R.

okay, I'll just fold it up just like I received it.

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B.:

R.

B.

R.

Okay, thank you very much.

Um, hum

Good-bye

Good-bye

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6

many camalic Anatir Church,

SAGRID CONGRECATION OF THE CONDIOTORY

PATRIARCHY OF ANTIOCH

GOV. OF INDIA, ACT XXI OF 1000 A.D.

ORTHODOX

Chancellor's Offici

Province of N.A:,

603 Cocil Avenue,

LOUisvillo

II, KY.

Jan. 9th, I962 Ael.

-.

THE LOST PENCRENO WAS

CHRISTOPHE 1. STANLEY, D.D., 0.3.1.

THE NOSE EATENIEO

Moa, fra:s Y. G35A21, D.D., O.S.J.

Capt Grinds,

Fligat Comandor,

Lestora 11s Inos, Port,

Now Orloans, Louisiana

La. ROMEROS PITT-LLTALEY, D.D.,O.S.J.

DIAN OF CONSICTORY

THE RT. REVITINO

HER. PAUL CRICORT LIIGRALI, D.D., 0.5.J.

PEOVINCIAL CHALCELLOS OT I. A.

THE MOST REVELINO

MCJ. Jona C. DUFTY, D.D., O.B.J.

CHAIRLAN OT NOLY SYNCO

DORT S15,

Inis artico wishos to thank you for the

infomntion regarding tho fornor PilotDavid

Willia Forcio. This mistalo on my part has

causod no socious rofloction upon my episcopate

and churchos. I consecrated him upon the rocomondation of Arcabishop John,:

.Solanuin, on at of youtorday or inchbichor as our Holy synod dogradod him

cabt hin out of the clorgy and Church in Anarica Cho sang also was pre-

sontod Forrio. Nolther of them are in no way connociod with our Holy Synod or

Churchos.

Ploade forward io thia offico tho out como of tho caso of Forrio that you

said was boing triod on the uth of January. Thanking you once agaln for your

ind Information in this matto? I an

alecroly Yours

pistorter, Maci PiT 14 202, 008

no a lost carica.

Byzantino Pattlarchy of Antioch, I. Eo.

Catholic Apostolic Orthodox Church.

CONSIGNATUS IN TABULIS

Cancch larius

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COMMISSION DOCUMENT 75.

Peport, oê Special deontr

Warren C. De Brueys dated

12/2/63 at Dallas.

Ter.

ANALYSIS OF CLASSIFIED PAGES

The above document, in to volumes and 737 pages long,

important FBI reports in

the Archives. It also contains more material about New

Orleans than any other document, including the 40 classified pages on David Ferrie.

It is also the document rhich legmann was looking at on May IOtn.

Like all the bulky documents pertaining to the assassination, it is in the

LIST B category, which means that it is unclassified, but numerous pages are withdraim.

at the request of the FBI. Portions of the document have been published as CE's 1896-

1942, but the majority of it is unoublished.

pages classified

Names mentioned (determined fron index which is unclassified.)

112

Chandler T. Josey

164-166

J.W. Hannett; i.Herdohoff; John Muret [sic]; Dutz lurret; Gene lurret;

Allen Maller;

180

Yvonne Cooper; Ed Turnley; [page ISl was xeroxed and

sent]. Archie Fussell

182-183

John David Kilgore (2830 Chapman St. Shreveport, La.) Major Orville

Richards; William Thornton

207-210

J.!. Hammett; Jack Baringer; Jack Erwin; Mixe Giacone; H.Warner Kloepfer;

Art Lemane;J. PoLittey

(or Liltey]; Mrs.L.W.Mathon; Augustus Michelet;

John Murat; Flozence Murat; Puth Murat [sic];

212-221

FERRIE. Analysis of these pages already sent.

225-228

FERRIE

257-260

Jack Arnold; Dr. Kyle Hamm¡[Dr Hann is Gladys Rodgers' psychiatrist.]

Carol E. Hyde; Garland Laninghan;

Michael and Ruth Paine;

George

Stephenson; Mrs Rodgers;

281-304

FERRIE. Analysis sent.

307-311

313-316

FERRIE

FERRIE;

Voebel; Verret; Vorrhies;

319-323

FERRIE;

Erhlicker; Heister;

Voebel

347-343

FEARLE;

Radelat; Voebel; Coffey;Compton; Duplantis; Wilson; Esteve;

Harden; Joseph Thompson;

345-347

V.C. Bilbo Tricking Co.;

400

Harold Crumitr

John C. Heurtin; Willian E. Miller; Vic Pissera; John Shea; Henry Thomp-

415-417

son; George Vath; John Wax; Lawrence Yeager; Milton Danner; Dick White

A.0.Fonville; Haydel, Inumerous first names: Abner, Alberic, Albert J.

399-453

Alfred; Amenaide; Antoine J; Elvera; Hazel L; Judith Aj Louella C.;

Rhonda D. Rita;

426-427

Fair Play for Cuba;

433-434

436

461-462

400

475-477

509-519

Marcelle Clark; Robert Oswald; Harold J. Stafford;

Ed Turnley

Hiss Arden F. Gibbs,

Mrs. Elva Santoine, Robert Milton Santoine;

Anfa Motel; Carlos Bringuier; Yvonne Cooper; Norman Fetzer; !Florence';

Mrs. Maude

Forsythe; Florence Gleaser; Gregory Grabla; Dr.Forrast LaVio-

lette; E..J. Liebold;

License BL 5525 (NY); Artbir M. Moeller;

Anthony I. Ossrald;

Anthony William Ossald; Conrad J. Osswald; Florence

Ossivald; Irene Reszica Osswald; Mary. Osswald; Anthony William Oswald (sic]

Leonard Reissnan; Anthony Reszka;. Irene Réska; Jack N. Rogers;

Mr. Dan Sanbornfilexican Insurance agency)

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Commission Document 75.

Classified pages (continued

509-519

542-545

572-574

672-673

705-706

(707)

708-709

734-737

Edwin Schultz; Fd Turnley: Cecilia

Twarozek: ?." tinenn

Mrs Lee Williams; Henry Hunderlich;

American Embassy, Moscow; Honard J. Herbert; Clarence Johnson;

Ree Bad 711p 05 Sare Wort); Florence De Wen;

George Henry De Men; Christine Steele Eatman; Mrs Millie Craft Farrington;

William George Gaudet; Henry Edward Linam; Bagoliné Luigi; David Pearce

Magyar; Arthur Crandall Mason; Gordon Edward Way; Mrs Lillian Stanton

Merrill; Mrs Judy Marie North; Samue Thomas North; Robert Howard

Peavy;

Malline Carter Peavy; Richard Lawrence Philion;

Henry Lee;

Carlos Bringuier; Fair Play for Cuba Committee; (FNU) Hidell; International

Trade Mart; Lt.

Francis Martello; Jack Ruby; Government of Samoza;

Thompson's Restaurant; Tulane University;

(Unclassified: deals with FPCC literature found among Oswald's possessions

at Ruth Paine's house on November 22. 1963)

Christina Amor; Manuel Amor;

Marvin Brown; CIA; Lillian McFarland;

St Petersburg Times;

John Sider; Tampa Bay Chapter of Fair Play for Cuba

Connittee; Harold Wilson;

These pages constitute the appendix to the document. There are no references

to any proper names in the index. They probably contain references to the

reliability of various FBI "confidential informants", as in the appendices

to other FBI documents.

There is some indication that the list of names to be found on pp t

572-574 are of people who obtaired lexican travel visas in New Orleans

at around the same time as Oswald. This is anyway true of Gaudet, North

and Merrill, and a few others who are mentioned on other, unclassified

Gaudet (FO Box 365, Waveland, Mississippi) "also indicated that

he has id the past been an employee of the CIA." (p 588).

There are a total of 116 classified pages in this document, or slightty

less than one-sixth of the total number of pages.

T. Bethell,

National Archives,

Washington DC

May 24 1967

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National Archives

RFLE FOUND ON ROOF OF TSED

See vol 15 page 590. Testimony of Thayer Waldo.

According to Sprague, &

sequence showing

this rifle being brought down from

the roof of the ISBD is shown

in the Dallas Cinema

Associates film of the assassination. Apparently it does not

have a telescopic sight.

PAPOLE OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD

Lillian Hurret's daughter,

went to see Oswald in jail and

"contacted a family friend, EMILE BRUNO,

who operates the B & l package

2712 Canal Sto, and Mr Bruno contacted someone else who had Oswald

paroled." (CD 75, p.160)

RAYOND COMSTOCK

(FBI report: 11/27/63 SA Regis Kerredy)

RAYHOND COSTOCK, investigator, District Attorney's office, advised that

DEAN ANDRES,

attorney-at-law, had contacted him, attempting to identify. CLAY

BERTRAND. COSTOCK advised he was familiar with a number of homosexuals in the

New Orleans French Guarter, but has been unable to identify this individual.

(CD 75: p. 196)

Roll. DAVIS

(FBI report 11/27/63 SA Regis Kennedy)

P.M. DAVIS, investigator for ISAN ANDREiS,

attorney at law, Audubon Building,

New Orleans, Louisiana, advised upon the instruction of his employer, DEAN ANDREIS

he has made

extensive searches of the files of Andrews' office,

and has been unable

to locate any record of CLAY BERTRAND or a record of LEE HARVEY OSNALD. He

that he recalls OSWALD visiting ANDREIS' office and ANDRES had mentioned to him

that OSTALD was desirous of obtaining a hearing on his bad conduct discharge fron

the U.S. Marine Corps.

DAVIS advised he could not recall or identify any of the individuals with

whom OS.: ALD came to. the office.

(CD 75 p. 195)

JACK NELSON

An attorney contacted by one ROBERT HELLER know living in Neir York), to represen:

Oswald after his arrest on Canal Street. Heller had witnessed the arrest.

CE 1928°

MORE NAES ON CLASSIFIED FORPIE, PACES

The following two names

were omitted from my earlier list of proper names mente

ioned

on the 40 classified Ferrie pages:

HAROLD TOOLE

JOSEPH THOMPSON

HENRY

• GOGREVE

Owner,

Henry's Market,

5101 Magazine Street advised that during the early

afternoon of Nov

26th 1963

two young people, apparently man and wife and apparently

Cuban, came

into his store and

told him that Oswald was not guilty and should

not

have been

shot. "They were apparently friends or sympathisers of Oswald." Both about

19, 5', 1101bs, Spanish accent.

(CD 75 p. 121)

I. Bethell,

National Archives,

Hashington DC

May 24 1967

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SYSTEM BOARD OF AJUSTMENT

EASTERN AIRLINES INC

GRIEVANCES OF

CAPTAIN DAVID FERRIE

15-63: 29-53; 48-63

Deposition of LAYTON MARTENS

taken July 12, 1963 at New

Erleans Louisiana

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Q. What 1s your name?

A. Layton P. Martens.

Q. What 1s your address?

A. 136 General Gardner, Lafayette, Loulslana.

Q. Are you of legal age?

A. Yes, 81I.

Q. Do you know Captain David Ferrie?

A. Yes, sir.

&. Have you ever been a member of Clv1l AIr Patrol?

A. Yes

&. What Squadron?

A. New Orleans Cadet Squadron

@. Have you ever been a member of the Falcon Squadron?

A. Yes I have

Q. Did you hold any position of authority in the Falcons.

A. Yes, I did

&. Would you name that position and describe Its duties?

A. I was the Adjutant. I was respolsible for all the paperwori,

Illes, records, applications, I.D. Cards, the squadoon

paper and so on.

Q. Was the falcon Squadron part of the Louizlana Wing of Clvil

A1r Patrol?

A. No S1r.

Q. Was 1t part of the National organization?

A. The Falcons were an entirely independent organization with

1ts own existence, Its own rules, its own purposes, 1ts

own articles of incorporation and its own activities.

&. With what organizations was it connected?

A. None.

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@. State, if you remember, who were the

incorporators of the

Falcons?

A. Dave Perrie, John Irion, Jim Lewallen and Ned Mendez

Q. Were they members of the Falcons?

A. Yes

They were seniors.

do What 1s a senior?

A. A senior is an adult member over 21. Under 21 we called them

Cadets.

Q. Were CAP I.D. Cards ever Issued to any members?

A. Yes as Temporary I.D. Cards until we decided to go

Independent.

•. What happened to these temporary I.D. Cards?

A. They wore withdrawn or recalle. and our own issued.

Q. Is this such an I.D. Card (showing a blue card)?

A. Yes.

Q. To whom was this card issued?

A. To John Espenan

Q. Who wrote the word temporary across the face?

A. I don't recall. It could be my handwriting, though or

Captain Ferrie's or the First Sargent's/

Q. Was a Mr. Espenan a menber of the Squadron?

A. Yes. Here

1s a copy of his application for membership.

(Profers

a paper to Mr. G111)

Q. Who has had charge of these files?

A. I have.

Q. Was Mr. Espenan a sentor or a cadet?

A. This application is for Espenan's father and he was a senior.

and Johnny the son was a Cadet.

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Q. You say the Falcons were

this generally known?

A. Certainly.

an independent organization. Was

&. How do you know?

A. Everybody in the Squadron new it because we had meetings

to discuss our future status and what we wanted to do.

Besides I sent out a copy of the Squadron paper to everybody

In the mail.

@. Did a Mr. Espenan ever come and pick up any papers or

charter covering the Falcons?

A. Yes he did.

&. WHen did that ocour?

A. In August 1961.

&. How can you be certain of the date?

A. It was at the time Mrs. Landry was waking 1t hot for

everybody. I remember it because he came to C.

aptainFerries

house. Captin Ferrie was not home. His boy went in and

got the papers fron Captain Ferrie's desk.

Q. Was this a State Charter?

A. Yes It was the Suadrons.

&. In the year 1960 you belonged to New Orleans Squadron

C1V11 Alr Patrol?

A. Xes

&. Did that Squadron have a summer encampment that year?

A. Yes

Q. Where was it held?

A. At Keealer Air FOrce Base.

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•. Who was in charge of that Encampment?

A. Col. Samuel B. Davis

Q. What position did Captain Ferrie hold at that Encampment?

A. He was Commandant of Cadets.

Q. What was the chain of command at that encampment. In other

words, starting with Col, Davis, how did orders or commands

come down to the cadeta?

A. By the chain of command, orders would originate with

Col, Davis go through Captain Ferrie to the Indididual

Cadet Commanders in charge of each barracks of cadets.

&. Who was Innedaltay over the Cadets?

A. Captain Ferrie.

Q. Was a It. Col. Christianse in charge?

A. No

Q. Was he there?

A. Yes

2. In what capacity was he there?

A. As a sort of advisor. He did not have any command function.

Q. Did any dispute arise at Keesler that Involved Captain Ferrie?

A. Yes it did.

Q. What was the nature of that dispute 1f you know it of

your own knowledge?

A. Well, every senior that showed up thought he was a commander

and started Issuing orders. The rosult was contusion. Every

senfor was contradicting everybody else. The Cadets

then complained to Captain Ferrie who was Immedately

above them. Captain Ferrie sald we should follow the chain

of command. Then some seniors went to Col. Davia and he

told them the same thing. So they went to Christianson.

All the seniora wanted to be chiefs and nabody wanted to

be Indians.

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Q. Were any decisions arrived at In this matter?

I. Yes

&. What were those decisions 1f you know them?

A. That a bunch of us quit and walked out.

Q, Why was that?

A. Because we got disgusted with the Alr Force. They had

preached military courtesy and discipline and chain of

command. Then Christlanson wanted to turn this all upside

down. A lot of the fellows thought that something was

wrong with what the Alr Force had told us about how they

worked. We could not see how it was possible for col.

Chirstianson to preach one thing and practice

another.

•Q. Do you know of these criminal charges against Captain Ferrie

A. Yes.

Q. How do you know of them?

A. I was subponeaed as a witness at his trial

Q. Did you know I mes landry and Epic C ouchet?

A. Yes I did

Q. To what did you testify at the trial?

A. I testifled that since I was a resdent of Captain

Ferrie's house I had first hand knowledge of the 1m-

possibility of these charges being true. After all I

Ilved there and 1f anyone would have known I would hare.

Q. How did you come to live at Captain Ferrie's house?

A. My mother and father separated and our home broke up.

My nother asked Captain Ferrie and his nother 1f I could

stay with them as I had no place to go.

@. Are you working?

A. I am a student at Sguthwestern

&. What activities went on in the Falcon Squadron?

A. Captain Ferrie taught us reciprocal engines and had us

overhaul a couple under FAA supervision. They were passed.

We recovered an airplane and it passed. We did metal and

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and it passed the PAA. We also studied mathemties

aerodynamios and physics. I learned geometry in about

three weeks this way.

&. What was the object or purpose of the squadron?

A. Most of us wanted careers in aviation. Elther we wanted

to go to the Air Force Academy, or AVlation Cadets,

or in aeroscience, We don't have a very good school

system and this was the best way to get the things we

needed but did not know. Captain Perrie had helped

4 fellows Into the Air Force Academy before and we knew

he could help us. That was why we went to him and asked

him to form this squadron

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New Orleans Police Department;

SUPPLEMENTARY REPORT

strick

Offense

¡Where offanso

occuloo)

is offense is declared: Unfounded

USE THIS FORM ONLY FOR REPORTING ADDITIONAL

INFORMATION ON A REPORT PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED dept.

to Dallzosonuy

1901

Bate of offonse

to August 1ô, 1552N0 # 83076

- Cleared by arrest - 25-

-_ Not cleared

Partly cleared

Cleared by identification

i property is involved, show here. type and value of property recovered, of if the case may be, additional property reported stolen)

STOLEN

RECOVERED

Currency and

negotiables

Jewelry and

precious metals

Furs

Clothing

Miscellaneous

(Inciude costume jewelry)

TOTAL VALUE

TOLESCREE bLENO RECOVERED PROPERTY (Serial No. Brand, Etel under "Detail" below

a phone cell tron

Alaverder Landary,

the coated that juvenile 420hae)

Grouches hid sons to hin recsdance on ben night of lednasday Augus: 23, 1951,

and sold of baing contacted by David Postie.

Tho boy bad de.

Landry that

Fero nas siying to dos his (Crouches) to dron the charges.

Investigating

osticora anandasaly contacted inoneal crouchno at his earloyur by phone.

Crouchad auggod thai Ferrio cano to cho cboro where ho 18 curloyed, a: 5523

So Claude Ago, My 2115008

Angust 29, 19310

Ascording to erpuched, 101510

whos hs introduced an a cuban, mus had Juaped ar

Testo, an crouchos crated, asked him to slea

a paper sabing deo ho crovenco)hed mado tho craterani to

anger for Copt Perso.

arouched coud ain, that berise soid nan base he

onld hava do gin the manor or oc doals sch on coma Gabana. Grouchos tols

ho was airedl.

Crouches cold alco

had sodd had paronus about Ferrdos

ving to ung some arber he inoche: ont mum work, and lucer sant airies

crouchot acated that no aaked

on hugues 249 1051, Lavorougating disleaze mont de Pagila suger

Markert more Grownbed as engioyon mad a lull Syperition abacenent ras

sales soon han celative so the viola made by ferio

DodGer orplode the cocumened unich alns cogeribes the subjors wich roame.

and aactor ano was sirsing catalda cho core in Fero's cas. Croucras

manor stated chas Fastie sayed

cord from about

22155 u031

Bscors and lates men to (Grouchos) nocked off, Fearle vas valting outsido

10 big 005.

THE GO DIES SUAD

Chaar of

tho lacesy Store.

scased that

In the stardo

pis brows and bas losing big hair, which yes dull nos Jave lose, d.

Fusio becaused una cohor subjeco a boing about so poars old, Bali.

do I0457:02

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supplementary Report Continued....

Page-2 Item 108,07-61

Iny stigating officer's spoke with lir.

Francis Fuglia of 5523 St. Claude

stated that at approxinataly 1:3098g

men came into the

und were talking with crouchat.

Ma. Fuglia described one of the

subject:

as having spotty hair, which was falling out and was about o tail.

This dascriution given officers by Mr.

fralcis fuglia, certainly appears

to be Ferria.

Mr. Francis ruella statco also that unis subject 1ad

painted ayebrows, and told of another subject who was vith

the subject

with the painted

eyebrows, but could not identify him to wall.

Invostigating offleorg returned to the Juvenile jureau ani notified

Immigration authurities.

Inspector Underwood came to the Bureau

was given all the information in this matter.

Inspector Underwood statea

that he knew arcacha Smith and that Smith was ar. American Citizen, and

that there was nothing his aganization coulá do.

At 1:05 PM August 24, 1981 Invest.

Officers received another call fron

Grouchat, whn stated that David Farrie had cume to see hin agilu.

Grouchet

stated that Ferris and another subject hid just loft zor bin

after getting hin to sign another paper.

Officers drove imeuiateiy

•o the BaLter sullaing 1n an elfort to catch Ferrie, but after 1 hour,

ho failed to show up.

Officors returned to the jurenile Bureau and

cäld crouchet by phong and have him explain Ferria's second viait.

Crouchot stated that he signed something that had the phrase aror al

chargog in 1t.

farrie told crouchet that li he signed the statement,

keep him (Crouchet)

out of trouble.

Crouchet st-sted

that fero had someone wieh him with dark hadr and beltered has nate

This unidentified subject was the same one who had cone

according to crouchet.

and he was coming

Clawle Ave, near the fuglia's super market,

and it a parking lot near

a Liquor stora.

formle told Grouchot on this second visit,

that ho

(Ferrio) banted Crouchet to nose Arcacha Sudün.

according

to Crouched,

Ferris told him that he could have any thing he warted for signinz

the paper.

Perrie also told Crouched on the second visit,

wanted, he(ferrle) could arrange to get him (Grouchet) out of tea bown.

At 3:00F4 Investigating officers received aù call fron Mr. Landry, no

shated that he receivod a phona call from a rubjoct who Identitied ain-

to his house.

Officers called Mr.

Landry on the morning of August 25, 1901, but loanred thas MeLay did

not show us.

On the night of Augusù 24, 1901 Officer Jonau, recalved a telephons

call sos Chios warrent Orficor C. R. Knoulton from Camp LeRoy Jommaos,

who statod thai to his nonledgo the charter hold by ferrio was loaged.

Knowlton stated that he chock with the National loadquarters in Houston,

Taras and lound that thoir was no chamor igsuod for the dotairie Falcon

Squad 09.

Offacor knowlton stated that he has recoived a number of

¿alla fron parenta inquiring oi

Investigating officer Jonau called Major Christian, who is lie comandar

of the C1v1l Air Patrol in Now Orleans. Major Ohristion staied chat

Perrin was at one time, quietly renoved fron the dei Orleuns Cadet

squadion of the C.r.P.

Agant staart Sheer of the F.B.I. Has rotifiod oi the currart information

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Supplementary Report Continued....

Page-2 Item 408507-61

Iny stigating officor's spoke with lir. Francis Puglla of 5523 St. Claude

kho

stated that at approxinately 2:30rm,

cane into the

and were talking with Grouchet.

Mio rugula described one oi the

subject.

as having spotty hair, which was falling out and was about

68 tall.

This dascriution given officers by Mr.

Francis Fuglia,

certainly appears

o be terrio. M trancis fualla suated also that inis subject sae

painted syebrows, and told of snot har subject who was with the subject

with the painted eyebrows, but could not Identify him to well.

Invostigating officors returned to the juvenile turvau ani notified

Immigration authorities.

Inspector Undericod came to the Bureau and

inspector Undinood statea

that ne knew arcacha Smith and that smith was ar American citizen, ano

that there was nothins his arranization coula do.

At 1:05PM August 24, 1961 Invest. Officers received another call from

Grouchot, wha stated that David Farrie had come to see hin agili.

Grouchet

stated that ferrie and another subject hid just loft km him

after getting him to sign another paper.

officers drove imediately

to the Balter suilding in an effort to catch Ferrie, but after 1 hour,

he failed to show up.

Officers returned to the Jurenile Bureau and

call crouchst by phone and have him explain Ferrie's second visit.

Crouchot atatod that he signed something that had the chrase aror an

Ferrie told Crouchet that 1i he signed the statemont,

keep him (crouchet) out of trouble.

Crouchot statod

that Perrie had someone with him with dark hair and believed his name

was Andrew.

This unidentified subjeet was the same one wo had cona

Luto the store min vertio the day barora.

according to Crouchet.

crouchet stated also, that 1t was about 12:40701,

and he was coming

from lunch whon ho saw ferrie parkod by Cusimano's rasturant on St.

Claudo Avo, near the Fuglia's super market,

and It & parking lot near

an liquor store.

Perrie told Crouchet on this second visit,

that he

(Ferrio) banted Crouchet to moat Arcache Smith.

According to croucher,

Ferrie told him that he could have any thing he waited for signinz

Eno paper.

Porria also told Crouchet on the second visle, that if he

wanted, he(forrle) could arrange to get him (Grouchet) out of aca town.

At 3:00fl savestigating officers received an call fron it. Landry.

shated that ho received a phona call fron a rubjoet who identified hin-

Lardry staved t2n0 felay was coming to his house.

nary on the norning of august 25, 1901, but loanred that MeLoy dia

not show up.

On the night of Augusü 24, 1901 Officer Jonau, received a telephona

call fron Chief Warrent Officor C. I. Knoulton from. Camp

Leroy Johasal,

who stated thas to his inonlodgo the obarter hold by ferrie was forged.

Kaoviton stated that he chock with the National Headquarters 11 Houstor,

Toras and found that thoir was no charior issued for the liolairia Falcon

squadros. Offleor Knowlton stated that he has recoired a number of

¿alla irom parenta inquiring of the istairie Falcon Squadror..

Investigating offiger Jonau eslled Major Christian, uho is Lie commandar

of the C1r11 Air Patrol In Now Orlans. Major Orristian staïed chat

Perrin was at one time, quietly renoved froin the dew Orleans Codet

squadion of the C.r.P.

Agam Staart Sheer of the F.B.I. was notified of the current information

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ICOU -BREWSTER BLDG.

LEPHONE 424-1484

*REVEPORT, LA.

TITLE

SOUTHERN RESEARCH COMPANY INC.

442 WEST BUILDING

HOUSTON, TEXAS

808 MARITIME BUILDING

TELEPHONE JA 2-8398

NEW ORLEANS, LA.

CHARACTER OF INVESTIGATION

DAVID WILLIAM FERRIE, ala

David W. Ferrie, "Dave"

BACKCHOUND

ALR:pab

SYNOPSIS

Subject arrested SO, Jefferson Parish, La., 8/3/61 and 3/22/61,

charged with carnal knowledge, Contributing to Delinquency of

Juvenile, Indecent Behavior, and Crine against nature.

Charges

still pending but disnisgal

anticipated.

Subject arrested New

Orleans PD 2/16/62 and charged relative to extortion.

Charge

pending and New Orleans DA anticipates noving to trjal. New Orleans

Retail Credit Bureau shows current residence for subject at 3330

Louisiana Avenue Pariway, New Orleans, La. Two small accounts for

collection, two news clippings relative to his arrests,

no other

derogatory

data.

Subject employed as investigator ior

local attorney

who represents him on crininal charges. FERRIB owner of 1960 FoId

Iudor Sedan bearing 1962 La, registration 300-601. Car is being

financed and last payment on account dated 9/26/62. 1959 Ford

found registered to DAVID W. FERRIB, JR., 11 Prospect St.,

Alexandria, La, but efforts to identify

negative to date. Neigh-

borhoods at past residences of subject negative regarding knowledge

of involvement in activities of derogatory nature.

Observation of

subject after working hours 11/9, 10 and 11/62 reflects subject

may still be associating with youths involved in instant charges.

INVESTIGATION CONDUCTED FOR

INVESTIGATION AUTHORIZED BY

INVESTIGATIVE PERIOD

Tolas Investigation, Ino.

MI. Thomas M. Tolan

November, 1962

DATE OF REPORT

FILE NUMBERS

COPIES

November 19, 1962

11-N-224

3

• - Mx.

2 - SRC

Inomas

M. Tolan

_STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL -

tion only.

This report is furnished by the agency at the request of the client named here in, and is strictly confidential and for ellent"s informo-

Client, in accepting this report, agrees to hold same in Striet confidence for his own exclusive use; never to be communicated, and

to bo personally responsible for any damage arising from a violation of any of the above provisions.

LEGAL & BUSINESS INVESTIGATIONS - A FIRM PRINCIPALLY STAFFED BY FORMER AGENTSOF THE FBI

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A surveillance was maintained at FERRIE's residence fIom 5:30

P. M. to 11:30 P. M. On Friday, November 16, 1962, by JACK OLIPHANT.

FERRIE came home about 7:15 P. M. by himself and went into his house.

At 8:15 P. M., FERRIE and two men who appeared to be about his

own age walked away from FERRIE'S home and got into an automobile

with 1962 Louisiana license 190-718. OLIPHANT had been instructed to

record activity at the house and not to follow cars away from the house

since it was believed more important to determine who came to see him.

This car came back at 11:00 P. M. and FERRIE got out and went into his

house. There was no further activity.

1962 license 190-718 is issued to DANIE MAROCHINI, 1309

Dauphine Street, for a 1951 Pontiac.

The following investigation was conducted by EDWARD M. DAVIS:

On November 17, 1962, the following observations were made at

3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway, New Oileans, Louisiana:

The observation commenced at approximately 6:30 P. M. At this

time the subject's automobile, a 1960 Ford, bearing 1962 Louisiana

license 300-601, was absent from in front of the above address.

At 7:30 P. M., subject arrived in the above automobile alone. He

parked in

front of 3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway and entered the house.

At 8:25 P. M.,

1954 Ford, tudor sedan, bearing 1962 Louisiana

license

311-641, with

three boys in the car arrived in front of the

subject's home.

They parked the car and all entered the home at 3330

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Louisiana Avenue Parkway. Shortly thereafter, two of the boys left

the subject's home and walked in the direction of South Broad. The

driver of this car is approximately eighteen years of age, six feet

tall, slender build, brown hair. He was wearing an orange-colored

short sleeve shirt and dark colored slacks.

The second boy was

approximately sixteen years of age, five feet eight inches tall,

medium build, dark brown hair with high wavy front. He was wearing

a plaid shirt and dark slacks. The third boy was approximately

fifteen years of age, slender, five feet six inches tall, had fair

complexion, light brown hair and was wearing light tan slacks

and a light blue shirt.

The latter two boys were the ones that left and walked toward

South Broad. They returned at 9:20 P. M. and entered the Ford with

Louisiana license 311-641. At approximately 9:35 P.M., the driver

of the car left subject's home and returned to the above car with

the two boys therein and they departed, driving to South Broad. They

parked at a bus stop near Broadmoor DIug Store on the corner of South

Broad and Washington Streets.

The second boy left the car and

entered the drug store. After a few minutes he returned to the car

and they left, driving north on Broad Street.

The observation continued at 3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway,

New Orleans, until 11:00 P. M. Subject had no other visitors during

the above period.

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The following observation was made at 3330 Louisiana Avenue

Parkway on November 18, 1962, commencing at 6:15 P.M. No activity

was noted at this time. The subject's 1960 Ford was parked in front

of his home. At 8:15 P. M., subject departed from his home leading

his dog.

They walked in the direction of South Claiborne for a

short distance then returned and walked toward South Broad. He.

returned to his home at 8:30 P. M. and entered the house with the dog.

At 9:05 P.M., subject left his house, entered his car and drove

to South Claiborne, turned left on Claiborne and drove north. He

returned home at approximately 9:30 P. M.

No activity was noted at 3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway and

the observation was discontinued at 10:15 P. M.

A spot check was made in the vicinity of Columbus and North

Broad Streets and 1954 ford bearing Louisiana license 3iti-641 was.

observed parked near the corner of Columbus and North Dorgenois.

No one was observed in or near this car. Spot check was made at

1311 North Prieur and nothing pertinent was observed.

On November 19, 1962, a confidential source at the Motor

Vehicle Division advised that 1962 Louisiana Registration 197-173

is issued to JAMES R: LEWALLEN, 1309 Dauphine Street, Apartment 9,

New Orleans, Louisiana, for a 1954 red Pontiac convertible coupe,

Motor Number P8ZA55916, Louisiana Title Number M-776516, with a

lien in favor of GMAC, 2926 Chesti, Cleveland, Chio. The car was

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purchased new on August 30, 1954 from Tony Ditz Pontiac Company,

Cleveland, Ohio, for $2,045.55. Ohio Iitle Number is 18421956.

LEWALLEN's occupation is shown as pilot.

The following surveillance of the subject's residence was

initiated on NovembeI 23, 1962 by JACK OLIPHANI and CHARLES BRANTON:

At 7:30 P.M., a car drove up and a young boy got out and went

into FERRIE's apartment. (Louisiana license 311-641)

At 7:40 P. M. another car (Louisiana license 197-173) with a

young boy driving arrived and the boy got out and went into the

house. These two cars and boys have been to FERRIE's apartment

before on November 11, 1962.

At 8:00 P. M. a car stopped half a block from FERRIE'S apartment

and the driver (about five feet five inches, two-hundred fifty pounds,

forty-five to fifty years of age, wore glasses) got out and came to

FERRIE's apartment. He went inside, stayed five minutes, came back

out, got in his car and drove off. His license number is Louisiana

327-938.

At 8:30.P. M., three persons

came out and talked for ten minutes.

router

Then the young boy in car (311-641) got in and left. FERRIE and the

other male (cat lV-173) went back into the apartment.

At 10:10 P.M., FERRIE and the boy came out and another boy was

with then. this is the flift time the third boy was observed. the

two boys got into car (197-173) and left. FERRIE took his dog for

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a walk.

At 10:30 P. M., the same two boys came back with a "six-pack"

of beer and went back inside the subject's home.

No activity was noted until 1:30 A. M., November 24, 1962, when

the two boys and FERRIE came out of the house. One of the boys

(the #3, boy) had some clothing with him. These two boys got into the

car (197-173) and drove off. FERRIE went back in and turned off the

light. The two boys were followed to Nashville and Patton Street

where the one boy got out and went into a two story house on the

corner of the 600 block (Patton Street) right side going toward the

river. The boy went in the front door on Nashville. The other boy

drove off and headed toward town. The surveillance was discontinued

at 2:00 A.M.

On December 3, 1962, a pretext interview was made by RONALD

HUBNER at 604 Nashville Avenue to attempt to determine the identity of

the young man who was seen leaving FERRIE's apartment and going to

that address on November 23, 1962. An elderly woman at 604 Nashville

advised that the house was owned by DI. MC CORMACK. He has no

children and there

arE

no young people in the neighborhood except for

the son of a woman who lives in 608 next door to DI. MC CORMACK. The

name of these people was given as MARIENS and the woman advised that

the son

is

about nineteen years old and attends school in Lafayette,

Louisiana and comes home only on weekends and holidays.

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Ine city directory was searched for Mrs. MARIENS but of the

three listed none are shown as residing at 608 Nashville.

On December 4, 1962, a call was made to telephone information

service for a phone in the name of MARIENS at 608 Nashville Avenue.

Ine operator asked if this could be 606 instead of 608 Nashville

and when told that it could be that number she said that she had

a MARY ELLEN MARIENS there but then said this was a non-listed

number and she could not give out information about it.

The following investigation was conducted by EDWARD M. DAVIS:

On November 24, 1962, the following observation was made at

3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway, New Orleans, Louisiana:'

The subject's car, a 1960 Ford; was observed parked in front

of the above address at 5:30 P.M. At 7:30 P. M., the subject

departed his home and left in his car. He drove to the Broadmoor

Drug Store, corner of North Broad and Washington Streets, left the

car and entered the drug store. He was observed making a telephone

call from the telephone just inside the above store.

At 7:40 P.M., subject returned to his home and entered the

house.

The observation was discontinued at approximately 10:00 P. 'M.

Subject had no visitors and no activity was noted other than that

stated above.

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On November 25, 1962, the following observation was made at

3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway, New Orleans by EDWARD M. DAVIS:

The observation commenced at 5:00 P. M. and at this tine subject's

automobile, a 1960 Ford, was not parked in front of his residence at

the above address.

At approximately 6:00 P.M., subject arrived at his home and

left the car and entered his house. At 6:55 P.M., subject departed

from his

house and left in his automobile. He drove toward South

Claiborne, turned right on Claiborne. The observation was

continued

at 3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway and at 10:55 P.M. subject ret Ined

home and entered the house.

At 11:15 P. M., the observation was discontinued. During the

above periods, no one was observed entering or leaving the subject's

home.

The Motor Vehicle Division, Louisiana Department of Revenue,

325 Loyola Avenue, advised GEORGE L. RISLEY On November 26, 1962

that 1962 Louisiana registration 327-438 is listed to HENRY J.

WINKLER, 800 Oaklawn Drive, Metairie, Louisiana.

This license is

for a 1962 Ford Falcon Futura.

The 1961 New Orleans City Directory reflects HENRY J. WINKLER,

wife MAURIE, residing at 3228 St. Claude Avenue.

Also, HENRY J.

WINKLER, real estate, 3421 South Claiborne. AUDREY WINKLER,

stenographic clerk, Louisiana Division of Employment Security, is

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also listed at 3421 South Claiborne.

1962 New Orleans Suburban Area City Directory reflects no

alphabetical listing for WINKLER. There is no listing for municipal

number 800 Oaklawn Drive in this directory of in the telephone street

address directory issued

foI December, 1962.

PENDING

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TO Ronald Hubner

FROM: Chas, Carson

DATE July 16, 1963

RE:

David W. Ferrie

The records of that one case in Jefferson Parish were refused.

They were viewed

however, and the pertinent contents were the same statements sent to Miami yesterday

in New Orleans case H-8507-61.

inclosed are the police report and the statement of John I. Cater which make up

the record in B-7904-62.

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Juvenile Bureau

Feb 18,

1962

Item B-7904-62

TO

FROM

Joseph I. Giarrusso

Superintendent of Police

: Major Adolph Mayerhafer

Supervisor of Juvenile Bureau

SUBJECT

: Investigation of Extortion,

allegedely committed by David

W. Ferrie WM Age 41 of 331 Atherton Drive.

Patn Roland Fournier and Charles Jonau of the Juvenile Bureau report

of having investigated a matter involving extortion, allegedly ¿committed

by David W. Ferrie WM Age 41 of 331 Atherton Drive,

additionally report of having conducted investigations involving

David Ferrie in the past 4 months, which began on August 16, 1961.

Fournier and Jonau will be referred to as investigating officers during the

Investigating officers conducted investigations in August and September

which lead to the arrest of David Ferrie,

resulted in charges of contributing to the delinquency, indecent

with juveniles, Crime Against Nature, and Public Intimidation. Charges

againsi Ferrie, were accepted in Orleans and Jefferson parishes.

impending cases against Ferrie, one Eric Michael Crouchet WV Age 16 of

5505 Marais Sto, is a witness.

On the morning of Feb 16, 1962, investigating officer Fournier received

who complained that a friend

that Ferrie had made arrangements for a meeting with

Cater after telling

Cater that he (Ferrie) had a proposition to discuss. Mr Crouchet explained

to investigating officers that Cater was frightened

and that Cater contacted

him, informing him (Crouchet) that Ferrie wanted

officers that he instructed Cater to go along with Ferrie, with the idea of

notifying authorities.

Cater and Ferrie made arrangements to meet it Canal

and Baronne Sta,..

at 10:00AM on Feb 16, 1962 in front of the Walgreen's Drug

Mr. Crouchet asked investigating officers if they would attempt to

witness this meeting

At 9:50AM on Feb 16, 1962, officers took up a posin

tion at Lord's Department store for women on Canal and Baronne,

across the

street from the Walgreen's drug store.

Immediately upon arrival, officers

noticed David Ferrie standing in front of the drug store with dark glasses

on.

Officers observed that Ferrie kept walking in and out of the drug store

for about 10 minutes and he came outside and disappeared from officers view.

after he began walking up Canal St,, in the direction of Claiborno ive.

Investigating officers did not attempt to pick up Ferrie agai.,

as Ferrie

is thoroughly acquainted with them.

Officers waited until approximately

$2:00. noon on Feb 16, 1902 and went to the home of Mr. Crouchet,

where Mr.

Cater found.

Cater had arrived shortly before the arrival of officers.

Mr. Crouchet explained that Mr. Cater was a friend of his and had been for

3 years.

Officers observed that Cater was very nervous at the time.

stated that Ferrie had met him at the designated time and location and they

had driven off in a car, operated by a subject, know to him only as "Butch".

told officers that they drove him up Tulane Ave., into the Carsollton

section to a Royal Castle Restaurant. During the ride, they discussed the

cases pending against Ferrie. Cater explained to officers that Ferrie asked

him to get Mike Crouchet to change his mind about testifying against him.

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Itém B-7904-62

Cater told officers that Ferrie threatened that if crouchet gave test-

imony against him (Ferrie),

that he (Ferrie) would get him (Cater) involved

in a sex ring. Cater stated that Ferrie told him that he had affadavits by

boys who

accuse cater of having sex parties at his house.

For further

details,

see the attached statement made by Cater, taken at the Juvenile

Bureau by investigating officers.

Cater stated additionally that the meeting took place in a Chevrolet con-

vertible,

He stated that he thought

Cater said also, that he had

never known or

didn't under-

stand how Ferrie had obtained his name and phone number at work.

Investigating officers consulted with Assistand District Attorney Richard

Seither in this matter and he advised officers to question Ferrie and present

-a report to the District Attorney's office.

Investigating officers went to

the home of David Ferrie at 331 Atherton Drive, at 3:30PM on reo 16, 1902 in

company with Sgt. Joseph Behrens of the Jefferson parish sheriff's office.

On arrival of officers at the home of Ferria, it was observed that several

ooys were standing around the front lawn of Ferrie's residence.

Perrie came

to the door and invited officers to enter.

Upon entering, officers recognized

Lawrence Marsh WM Age 19 of 4404 Majestic Oaks St. in Gretna, La., known to

in previous investigations.

Ferrie was

placed under

Ferrie admitted being downtown at Canal and Baronne at 10:00AM on

2-16-02, but refused to say why he had gone to this location. he statea onLy

that he

had gone to meet somebody.

Lawrence Marsch stated that he had driven

Ferrie in his Chevrolet convertible to meet someone, downtown

at 10:00AM

2-16-62, but would not say any thing more about the meeting.

Officers observed

the Chevrolet convertible La-62 license 107-828, parked in

Ferrie's residence.

Ferrie was booked at the east bank jail and was immediatel,

taken to the First District Station by investigating officers and jooked with

RS 14 Article 66 relative to extortion. He refused to answer questions on

advise of his attorney.

John Cater is a male nurse,

who lives alone. He has been maried an is di-

vorced.

He has a teen

age son who is in the military service. Mr. Crouchet

stated that Mr.

Cater has been more than a good friend for over 3 years.

Cater stated that he has no police record and has never been arrested. He

was asked by officers if Ferrie

could prove the accusations and he stated

that Ferrie positively could not.

On Sunday Feb 18, 1962,

Cater came to the Juvenile Bureau

investigating

of whom stated that he was calling from Ferriels residence,

officers that he had received a phone call from two boys; one

The pnone call,

according to Cater, was made at about 4:00PM on Feb 16,

a short while after

Ferrie was arrested.

Cater told officers that the boys

him if he had

made a

statement against Ferrie and asked him why he made it.

The boys told

him that Ferrie was only trying to help all boys who are involved in the im-

pending cases in Orleans and Jefferson parish. courts, and that Ferrie was

also trying to help him (Cater).: The telephone conversation ended and Cater

identified one of the boys as Alvin Beback (Phoneticly spelled), a boy whom

he had met previously at a skating rink

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Statement of John T. Cater.

After the discussion, Butch and Ferrie drove me to Flood and Burgundy

It was about 12:00 Noon.

I walked over to Mr. Crouchet's house

and shortly after the police arrived.

Q. How long have you known the Crouchet family?

A. About 3 years..

I visit them regularly and they visit me.

Had you known Ferrie before this incident?

A.

Never saw him before in my life.

Do Had you ever known the boy named Butch?

A. No, only by sight. I have seen him at a stating rink in the past.

Is there anything more you would like to add?

A.

I received

At about Loopy on Feb id, boy'I know fron the Elating rink.

phone call at my

house from Alvin Bobach.

I asked him where I was

house.

and he stated that he was at Dave Ferrie!s

He stated that he had someone on the line who wanted to

talk to me.

Some other boys, whom I don't know ad who didn't

spoke with

Identify himself told him know

me and asked if I had made a statement

to the police.

He told

me that Dave Ferrie was

trying to help me and the other boys.

He told me that the police

had been to Ferrie's house and picked him up.

He asked me if I

had ever heard the police threated to kill Ferrie, get even with

nim or make remarks about him.

The conversation, ended when I told

them that I wasn't interested.

Qo Do you have any idea how Ferrie got your name and phone number at

work?

No.

Is this statement true and coorect to the best of your knowledge?

Yes

John :

I. Cater

Statement taken in the presence of Patn Roland Fournier and Charles J nau

typewriten and completed at 9:00AM

and to complete it on Sunday Feb 18, 1962.

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Item 3-7904-62

Investigating officers feel that later is being used by Ferrie in order

that Ferrie can

gain an acquittal: in his impending cases in the courts

of Orleans and Jefferson parishes.

Investigating officers would also point out that later once hung

around a skating rink and knew many young boys, which include Bobach and

Marsch,

whom Cater knew only as "Butch".

Thus, Cater would be a

good target

for

Ferrie's threats and intimidation..

Officers checked the Police Bureau

of Identification and found that they have no record on John Cater.

The District Attorney will be consulted..

Patn Roland Fournier

Patn Charles Jonau

Approved..

Pable A Mayulife

Major Adolph A. Mayerhafer

Supervisor of

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Juvenile Bureau

Feb 16, 1962

Statement of John I. Cater Wu Age 4t

residing 5454 Dauphine St.»

relative to an investigation of intimidation and threats.

STATEMENT

I, John Cater, without threats or promises, make the following state-

ment and will

answer all questions asked of

I was working at 2015 State St., in a private home on Thursday night

and I received a

Feb 15, 19629, do you know who this is"

phone call at about 8:30tM, from & mar

I told him that I had a good

idea and he said "I'd like to meet you tomorrow",

"I have a proposition".

•I suspected that it was David Ferrie on the phone, because I had

about him and the trouble he was causins between workaree like oracket?

and other bots.

I was nervous about him calling at my work and I didn't

know what to do, so I just told him that I would meet him.

where was a good place to meet and I told him Walgreen's on Canal Street,

because I was familiar with the location as I past

this place every day.

I picked this place because it was safe and I didn't want to be a10ng

He hung up after a short conversation.

I tried to get Mr. Crouchet that same night but changed my mina because

I didn't want to disturb them.

I called Mr. Crouchet this morning about

8:00AM to tell him what had happened.

Mr. Crouchet told me to go ahead

and meet Ferrie and said that he would notify the police.

I met Ferrie this morning at the designated time and place at 10:00A1.

He told me

he had a car,

and that "Buthh was with, him and we would take

We got in the car, which was park by the curo on Canal directed

in front of the center theatre. It looked like a Chetrolet covertible

to me and Butch was driving it. Ferrie wanted to drive around the block

because he was expecting some kid to meet him there.

The kid didn't show

up, so then wes drove up Tulane Avenue into the Carrollton section and

started talking while driving.

We drove to some Royal Castle rest-

but I don't remember where it was because I was nervous an

unfamiliar with the neighborhood.

Ferrie talked about his case and

explained to me that if Mike Crouchet would not testify, no one would

get into trouble.

He stated that he had affadavits against me and thex

Crouchet and the hockey players at the skating rink.

He stated that

it would be very serious

for us, if the Crouchet boy testified against

him. He asked me to get Mike to change his mind,

not talk, and testify

against him.

He stated that he was doing this .only to help all the boys

who are involved, because he was interested in boys.

Ferrie stated to me that he had affadavits from boys who had been to

my house on several occasions on sex parties.

He stated that he was

going to get Mike and his brother Courtland involved in a sex ring,

and was making implications to make me believe that he had affadavits

against me for having sex parties at my house.

He told me that.

was closer to the Crouchet

family to anybody and he told me that I

should have influence over them.

I was wondering at the time.now

Ferrie came to know that I was good friends with the Crouchet family.

He gave me his phone number which was a Vernon number, which I have

He told me to call him and let him know the

results of what

I could do for him.

Butch heard the intire conversation between Ferrie

and me.

He even butted in and stated that he had been to my house too.

I can say definately that Butch had never been to my house.

even known his real name..

We did most of the talking while riding in

the car.

We did not do much talking after we went in to get a cup of

coffee.

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suzuat 89. 1961

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1"?.

JUVENILE BUREAU, EAST BANK

JEFFERSON PARISH

POLICE

AUGUST DA 22, 1961

Statonent of Erio Michaal Crouchoù in Age 16 residing 5505 Marais St.

rolativo to an Invostigarion of crine against nature and contributing

to the dolinguency of a juvonile.

Subject under investigation Is David

Perria Ni Age 42 of 331 Atherton Drive, Notalrio, La.

Statement

My naso 1a Eric Crouchot and I without throats or promises make the

folloring statenant and u111 ansvara all questions asked of no.

Ro Do you know cape david forrie o1 331 atherton Drive in satairie.

Yos, ho is a piloù nith Eastorn Air lines.

8. than did you first soot Capi. Forria?

It was about 11 to 2 gears ago, aftar Hallowsen, wen I jolned the

Civil Air Patrol.

l. Can you tall us anything about you snowledge of Capt. Ferrie?

I first joined the outfit, I found out that there were going to

to a lot of drinking parties, so I sriod to find out nat the parties

wars tike, and I found out when I wont to uy firat party.

There were

viahoy and beor drinks at one of the parties held at ano of the female

cadets house, and Capi Forris was dis0.

After the party Capt Perria

laft wish 3 boys. Sinoo then I have

jone to nany partics snora then

was heaty drinking and Capt Farrie.

¿ have sone to about 10 or 15 oi

choao partios. I did so such drinking at this tino, thai I almost bocane

an aleccollea.

kost of tho star drinking partios vore held ai Capt Forri

house whoa he lived on Airliao Park Ilud., and son on Atherton drive.

no night Capt forrio rontod tho Walnut Roch at the New Urleans Airport

for a kaudi Gras party, for boys did girls.

They had plenty beer at the

party.

and there vera abour 30 kido shoro thai night.

That was Maudi

gran of 1900 and about or of us, the coally got drank leo tocka

after the laudi Cras,

I uns to his house on Airlina Park sirdo, and te

vant out siding and bad a fou tito. Cast Ferrio bought tho drinis and

to sore driniing mile as bore driving.

We went so sho Now Orleans A15pos

and ho bought no air bood.

Wo bons b9 Capi Ferriots house a% Airlino

Port at 6:0oul and my bonù to bad segonbos.

Cast Farrie showad no a book

with just writing 10 10, and 1ò kn3 a sony astory and he rold es tbai ho

eas 501ag to jost off.

Cars Forrie aakod so 11 I ma going to josk off.

Cap ferris clintad du top of me end put his penis on top of my

logs.

He had a dischargo on no and then to men: to aleop.

A couplo of cooke

1a505 I mont over to his housa agala, and Capi Partia gavo me too samo

boes and let no road 1t.

the sang tina, and then

and mycolt ses going heme

Iron de111 and en had juas saken Cari Costa

to sono boyion hose and ferrio andod logion 11 ho maced to spend ta:

night at his heusa, ord lotten salè niright.

thile is tie car, to got

1=to saa disovanton of gorilar off. and layton aiod Cop Percia and I.

13 ma over jorded off and dinnered enough to coas out for enough to hit

I notleed then i nas ln Capt Porriong houso that tbory

80G 1è lockod 11k0

diashange Brong.

The three of un deno to cape forigas boss and begron

aloco 1a to 11ving reca and no and car Ferrio sent to Capt For 1o®s

bones.

Capt forrie jeriod I oil and no jorked himaeli off. After thai

I sand to 3100p and the conû morning, von I take up, Capt Farrio had hi:

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statoment of James Lalary continuod page

Did you ever spond the right at Capt. Forrio's home?

S. Tos a1º, abous soros t1a03.

Who did son sloop with thon who stayod at the Capsain's home?

A. Capi. fosrio.

Lo Did you over havo any sor rolatlons with the Captain waile you woro

BLoOping wità bim?

Yos sis, I was slooping with the Captain am I wolo up and he was

jarkira no off. Whilo he nas jorkias me off he jorkod hinsell off.

Do jou renambor what day this happoned?

I can't renosbon the dato but he Enaryas

jerked me off about throa

31m003

2: Lo 7tr kao of ely other boga that the Captall had sex relations with?

2. In thore any thing else that you havon't told ne pertaining to the

actiotlos at Capt

Dave Terriag homol

A. Do sir that's allo

do is tho abovo statomone tino to tha best of your inowlodge, and did you

ive chia statonont frooly of your own will without threats or pronisasi

Do Yes sir.

Jene3 Lands

Pho abovo statemont uas taken la the Juvonilo Bureau by Pata. Cahrles

Jonau in the prosenco of Path. Boland Foarnier of tha Juveallo Bureau.

Beateneat desplored at 111 CHAN

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asabresis of Michnal Croschos consinsad..

vonda da my roetunt clant lot hin low anas 1 sas anato and d curroe

over and 18 deny out.

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song timey and 3o

pen baSh BO the anariment as Achorion tIve, and CasE Forrio shonda us

I sas on of shode you don buy at the sous aund.

Cant fario told us that me had to broak in the new hongo by overy body

jorking oll. Do finichod our drinks and me too, di landry bene., and

Milo Da tore tiding LenO, CaN Dorio cr 11 aakod may u dienE jor

oft senions and brent in eno hosso.

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2a1A Shei 1E mO BeO SAtO.

Ho sock Al home and ton he toot as bona.

aBriches out the trouble.

Antos he noved lato his house on acharten bril

I oat do night over at his house and ta wont to hod togather and he fort

an ati and blew no.

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h2001ng ny soot end he song best dom coala.

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ScabaronE of Michael Crouchos Coacisued...•Pago-3

do Do you think that Capo forciole squadron was on the levol? Do you

Eh1ai shat capt Porrio uas giving you the propor trainlag In C1v11

A15 Patrol Most?

so the hold aquadron uns not handled right.

He didn*t tonch us taet

a can don to chang hay coaching going tras.

and 5120 I lnew thar I had flunked a sect, bus

I saccod 1i.

da do anla sraemat trao and comose totio bout of your tomlodgai

A. Dog, and I ta make li of dy ova sipe till.

0212

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Essicsono salon in ano Enot Bank jafforson Pariah Juvenilo Bureau in

sant manilenad ofticero.

statorant cempleted at 10:451k. August 22, 1951

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The New Orleans Chapter of the Military Order of the World Wars held its

regular meeting at Lenfant's Boulevard Room, 5236 Canal Boulevard, on 24 July 1961.

The meeting was called to order at 1900 hours.

PRESIDING:

Rear Adm. I. J. Ryan, Jr.

PLEDGE:

Capt. Gayle Schneidau, Jr.

PREAMBLE:

Capt. Francis Grevemberg

INVOCATION:

Col. Lansing L. Mitchell

The Commander called for the introduction of guests and roll call, "nd welcomed

one new member present and attending the meeting for the first time, and explained

to him the purpose and objective of the Order. There were 70 members and 5 guests

present. (See attached list)

In the absence of the Adjutant, Col. Frank Spiess read the minutes of the

previous meeting and the membership approved the minutes as read.

The Treasurer's report for the months. june was read showing a cash balance

of $1,057.06 as of 30 June 1961. The 'e being au objection, the report of the Ireasurer

was received and filed.

Commander Ryan reported for the Chairman of the Americanism Committee

that the Times-Picayune had accepted the "Fly the United States Flag" campaign,

obtained 3, 000 flag kits, and will run a large ad in the paper on 6 August 1961. The

target day to have everyone possible fly the flag is Veterans Day, 1l November.

The recommendation of the Nominating Committee, in a letter dated 13 July,

to the Chapter Commander and signed by Captain Neville Levy as Chairman, was read

by Lt. Colonel Harrie Pearson, Vice-Chairman. (See attached letter.)

Captain Francis Grevemberg moved that the nominations be received for

action at the meeting of the Executive Committee Council and by the membership at

its next meeting. This was seconded by Captain Gayle Schneidau. The motion was

unanimously carried.

Commander Julian 3. Humphrey, designated as notary to prepare and pass

the Articles of Incorporation of the Military Order of the World Wars, reported that

all of the incorporators have signed the Act of incorporation and that the Act has been

recorded in the Mortgage Office for the Parish of Orleans, and that a certificate of

recordation and a copy of the Act has been forwarded to the Secretary of the State of

Louisiana for recordation in his office; that as soon as the certificate of the Secretary

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of State is received, it will be forwarded to the Commander.. Under the law of

Louisiana, since the Act of Articles of Incorporation have been recorded in the

Mortgage Office of the Parish of Orleans, the Military Order of the World Wars is

as of this date authorized to function as a

corporation.

The speaker of the evening, Captain D. W. Ferrie, Senior Pilot, Eastern

Airlines, spoke on Cuba - - April 1961, Present,

Future.

At the opening of his

presentation, he indicated his talk would be controversial. When partly through

the presentation, the Commander rose, apologized for interrupting the speaker, and

told him the tenor of his remarks, up to that point, were contrary to the preamble

and objectives for which the Military Order of the World Wars stands and that if

he wished he could speak, not as our guest speaker, but as a private citizen and to

the members present as private citizens after adjournment of the meeting. Capiain

Ferrie determined he world stop his presentation.

Commander Ryan then formally adjourned the meeting in accordance with

the prescribed ritual at 2100 hours.

FRANCIS A. WOOLFLEY

Adjutant

By:

Frank G. Spie

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"EAL.

Report of Investigation

Date of investigationi February 15, 1963

Subject: Divid Willion Ferrie

Synopsis::

The Most Reverend Marcia Christopher ( C. J.) Mo Starle,

Archbishop Metropolitan, Apostolic Orthodox Old Catholic

Church of North America, Louisville, Kentucky advised trat

on the occasion of being asked to consecrate David William

Ferrie as a Bishop in the Church (as above), He (Starley)

Learned from a friend that Ferrie had been accused of:

conmitting overt acts of unnatural sexual behavior and on

the basis of this infornation (Stanley) refused to perfürm

consecration cerenony and on the basis of this same infor-

mation, Later, took the initiative to excommunicate Ferrie

from the Church'.

Details of investigation:

This investization was prompted by receipt of a letter dated

February 7, 1963 from ir Charles R. Carson, Manager, New Orleans Uffice,

Southern Research Company, Inc, SOS Maritine Buinding, New Orleans 12,

La requestini infunnation concerning action taker by "Chancello:' s

Office, Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, Sacred (ungregation of i

Consistory, Patriarch of Antioch, (hurch of North America, 603 C.....

Avenue, Louisville 11, Kentucky" rezarding the personality of Davici William

Ferrie:

On February 15, 1963, I intervieuzd! the Most Reverend Maria

Christopher (C. 2) 11. Stanley, uno fucer identified himself as Archbishop

iletropolitan of Apostolic Ortrodox Oli Catholic (kurch of North America,

with headquarters at 4226 West Broadui: Louisville 11, Kentucky (forner

address being 603 (ecil Avenue, Louis.. 'le 11, Kentucky).

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Reverend Starley, told me that this religious organization (as stated

above/ was an offshout of the Roman (atholic Church and was completely

independent and in no way affiliated officially with the Roman Catholic

Church. He further said that his particular independent under had its

origin in Germany. He also referred to an active affiliate in Canada.

The dwelling at 4226 West Broadway, Louisville, serves as the headquarters

fun the under and is also used as his residence and has a small section

designated as a chapel uhere he holds services.

Reverend Stanley was told the purpose of my visit in that it concerned

the personality of Lavid Willian Ferrie and, in particular, the origin of

« Letter emanating from a source considered to be that of his office as a..

hizr official of the (hurch of unich Ferrie was also affiliated and from

which was excormunicated.

Reference uas made to a letti: dated January 9, 1962, from the

Chancellor's Office, Province Of lurth America, 603 Cecil Avenue, Louisvine

11, Kentucky urich advised that Ferrie was "degraded and cast out of the

clergy and Church in America." Reverend Stanley inforned me that he wrote

the Leiter refered to above and that it uns sent in the office of Eastern

Airlines in New Orleans for the purpose of requesting the return of certain

Church property that uas issued to Ferrie as un official of the Church and

that was used in corsetin; da seivices and business of the nurci

Reverend Staniey said thar is mentioned the reason for requesting the retur

of the property - that it iis recessary due to the exconmunication of Ferrie

from the Chich for reasons of alleged acís of unnatural serial relations

imposeci upon childrer. •

Reverend Stanley said that he learnes of Ferrie through it Right

Mosi Reverend Horsieur John S. ilarin, Rishop to the Apostolic Críhodox

Via Catholic (hurch of Morth America, unose address is 1311 N. Prieure

Street, New Orleans, Louisiana (telephone Whiterall 4 2123 (?) %

Reverend Stanley said that Reveren liüir was ordaired as a Priest

(by Stanley) on june 9, 1950 and in luter ordained as ü Bishop (by

Starley). Reverend liartir and Fe. ie 're frierds and ilertin was

instrumental in effectina Ferrie's official role in the (hurc

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Accunding the Reverend Stanley, Martin perfürned the necessary ceremonies

in marin,, Ferrie a sub-Deacon,

Deacon, and Priest of the Church. It was

Murtin who requested Reverend Stanley to consecrate Ferrie as a Bishop.

Upon being requested to perforn the ceremony of consecrating Ferrie

as a Bishop, Reverend Stanley made some inquiries concerning the character

and reputation of Ferrie and Learned from a lin. George Vallace (urum Stanley.

had troun through the Veterans of Foreign Wars) that Ferrie had been accused

of unratural sexual behavior and had been fired by Eastern Airlines. This

aroused the suspicion of Stanley and he called the "Superintendent" (name

not recalled but thought to be of Gerrun descent - Stanley trieu while

I was talking to him to obtair the name of the person from the Louisville

office of Eastern Airlines but of no avail) of the Easterr Airlines office

in Louisville and confirmed the report that Ferrie had been discharzed

as an employee (wallace's address was not available from Starley)

Ferrie, accompanied by Martin, arri: il in Louisville on Novenber 30,

1961 for the purpose of bei, unviecrat... is a Bishop of the Churer.

Stanley, indicated his willingness to comply and voiced disapproval of

the personal behavion of Ferrie as repuried to him, Stanley told Ferrie

that he intended to excornunicate him (Ferrie) from the Church for reason.

of behavion undeconing to a Chure official. This aroused anger on the

part of both Ferrie and Martin Stanley sid that uner Ferrie arrived in

Louisville that he appeared to be rooner ther pecuiarly especially

since he was wearing, a "wig" the uns fo wed on with Scotch (brand) tape.

Stanley also said that ilartür ha been la in to use "devious metrats" and

unen querried by me as to this, riey ud that he (ilantin) at ei lad

carrica di pur.

Marti, is repoin" do have been an investigutor jan lin.

fee: feunilion, Alton ay Gerasi ? Louisiana.

(contirued)

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SYNOPSIS: CONZ NUBD

Efforts continuing to confirm association and obtain novies of

activities.

PENDING

DETAILS:

Investigation in this matter is predicated upon a request dated

November 1, 1962 FIOM MI. THOMAS M. TOLAN, 245 Bast 55th Street, New

York, New York, tO MI. CHARLES R. CARSON, Southern Research Company,

Inc., 808 Maritine suilding, New Orleans, Louisiana, requesting that

organization eternine the history

and status of crininal charges

pending in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana against a former Bastern

AlI Lines pilot, Captain DAVID WILLIAM FERRIE, 331 Atherton Drive,

Metairie, Louisiana.

MI. TOLAN advised that FERRIE was employed as a pilot for

Bastern Air Lines, Inc. until his arrest by Jefferson Parish authorities

on August 8, 1961 for indecent exposure. An additional charge of

contributing to the delinquency of a minor was filed there August 22,

1961. Information has been received that these pending charges are to

be dismissed and that FerRIE intends to apply: to Bastern for reinstate-

nent to flying duties, as well as for back pay.

The history and status of these charges, as well as information

concerning why they are to be dismissed was requested by MI. TOLAN.

He also requested that where feasible, complaining witnesses be

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interviewed for background of the case and to determine if any

pressure has been exerted by anyone to have the case dismissed.

A complete surveillance of the subject was requested in order to

deternine his present employment and activities and to determine if

these activities night show a behavior pattern which would disqualify

FERRIE for reinstatment with Eastern AlI Lines.

On November 2, 1962, GEORGE L. RISLEY reviewed the central

records file of the Identification Bureau, Headquarters, Louisiana

State Police, Baton Rouge, Loulsiana, and the following criminal

record was obtained foI DAVID WILLIAM FERRIB: FBI $88 367 B,

Louisiana State Police #553861:

CONTRIBUTOR O

PINCERPRINTS

NAME AND ARRESTED OR

NOMBER

RECEIVED

SO, Gretna, La.

DAVID W. FERRIB

8/8/61

#9720:

DISPOSITION

(None sirown)

5O0, Gretna, La. DAVID WILLIAN: 8/22/51

PERRIE #9729

CHARGE

contrio. to Del.

of a juv. , Carnal

Knowledge

Indec, behavior,

Crine against

Nature, Contrib.

to Del. of a juv.

Rel to extortion

(None shown)

PD, New Orleans

DAVID WILLIAM 3/16/62

FERRIE # 107062

Pending

AT NEW

ORLEANS, LOUISLANAS

Ine Identification files of the New Orleans Police Department

were reviewed November I, 1962 by RONALD HUBNER and an index card

located which reflects that DAVID WILLIAM FERRIB, white, male, born

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March 28, 1918, was arrested under Police Item Number B-7904-62,

on February 16, 1962, by Patrolmen ROLAND FOURNIUR and CHARLES JONAU.

of the First District, and that FERRIE was subsequently charged on

Affidavit 173-391, with violation of Louisiana Revised Statutes 14,

Article 66, Paragraph 2, relative to extortion. This charge is

presently pending. An effort was made at this time to revlow the

actual investigative file but officials advised the file could not

be released for reviaw without the signed permission oí the Judge of

the Juvenile :Court of the District. Attorney. No further effort was

made to see the file through these sources.

On November S, 1952, records of the New Orleans Retailers Credit

Bureau were escamined by B. M. DAVIS, and reflect the following

intomation:

There was no personnel form in file on subject FERRIB. He is

assigned Code #600. As of September, 1957, his address listed was

4615 Orleans Avenue, employed by Bastern AlI Lines. Former addresses

were listed as 1302 Clay Street, 209 Vinet, 704 Airline Park. As of

April, 1962, his address was listed as 3330 Louisiana Avenue,

employed by G. W. RAY Guild, presumable Attorney G. WRAY CILL,

previous address listed as 331 Atherton Drive, Metairie, Louisiana.

Two news articles captioned as follows:

"Metairie Man Arrested

Again", dated February 17, 1962; "Ferrie Innocent of Qne Charga",

dated February 38, 1962. Judge LEO W. MC CUNS, Jefferson Parish

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Juvenile Couit, was presiding Judge on latter case.

The following claims for collection were in the abova file:.

$ 600, June 13, 1962, DI. DAVID W. PBRRIE, 3330 Louisiana Avenue

Parkway, New Orleans 15, Louisiana, UPtown 891-9309, Southern Bell

Telephone Company, $104.83, employment listed as Research Psychologist;

P-600, DAVID W. FERRIE, October 26, 1962, Louisiana Power & Light,

Metairie, $15.28, address 3330 Louisiana Avenue, New Orleans 25,

Louisiana, ex-address 331 Atherton Drive, Metairie, Louisiana.

Criss-Cross Directory reflects telephone assigned to 3330

Louisiana Avenue Parkway, 1s IW 9-7048. Call made to this number

reflects that subject is unknown and this telephone number is not at

the above address any longer:

The following was observed at 331 Atherton Drive, Metairie,

Louisiana, on November 2, 3 and 5, 1962:

1954 Oldsmobile sedan parked in yard at the above address,

bearing 1962 Louisiana License 325-644. Ine following autos were

parked next dool, at Lakeside: 1962 Oldsuobile, light green, 1962

Louisiana License 981-261; Ford Fairlane, 1962 Louisiana license

212-6681 Pord Station Wagon, 1962 Louisiana license 212-567. None

of the above cars were registered to DAVID W. FERRIE.

No activity

of a pertinent nature was observed at the above address on any of the

above datas.

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On November 5, 1962, a secretary in G. WRAY GILL's office

telephonically advised that FERRIB was employed by that office but

she did not know his address or telephone number. It should be noted

that information was received fron another source that GILl. was

acting as attorney. for FERRIE and FERRIB was doing investigative work

for GILL in partial payment of his fee.

•A name check of the Motor Vehicle Division, State of Louisiana,

on November 1, 1962 by GEORGE L. RISLEY reflects the following data

concerning the subject:

TItle Number M-2411955 is issued to DAVID W. FERRIE, 331 Atherton

Drive, Metairie, Louisiana, for a 1960 Ford Judor Sedan, Motor

Number OA31V150735, purchased as a used vehicle on June 2, 1960 for

an anount of $2,518.56. This car was financed by General Finance

Corporation, 4135 South Carrollton Aveme, New Orleaas, Louisiana.

The 1962 Louisiana registration for this car is 300-601.

The alphabetical listings at the Motor Vehicle Division also

reflect a 1959 Ford is currently registered to a DAVIDW. FERRIE, JR.,

whose current residence is shown as USMC, USS Mathes, AKA-96, San

Francisco, California. FERRIS, JR. 1s listed as a Lieutenant in the

U. S. Marine Corps, and his hone address on the auto title 19 11

Prospect Street, Alexandria, Louisiana. This car has Motor Number

B9LS244716 and bears 1963 Louisiana registration 945-522.

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On Novenber 7, 1962, MIS. Li C. CHAMPAGNE, Account Clerk,

Ceneral Finance Corporation, 4135 South Carrollton Averue, furnished

the following information from her records concerning the subject's

FERRIE purchased the above described 1960 ford and financed it

through their office on June 2, 1960. Me borrowed $2,518.56 and was

to repay it in thirty-sis monthly installments of $69.96 each. His

last payment recorded on this account was on Septenber 26, 1952 and

his present balance is $888.54. MIS. CHAMPAGNE stated that, as of

October 30, 1962, he was shown residing at 3330 Louisiana Avenue,

New Orleans, Louisiana. The file reflects no relatives or associates

of the subject and MIs. CHAMPAGNE said she rated the account as a

very poor credit risk and added the file contains about eight pages

oi collection papers and procedures they have had to institute to

date in an effort to have him repay the loan.

Information was received fron a confidential source on November 6,

1962 that he had been discussing another matter with Bastern Air Lines

Captain GEORGE E. GREINER that date and the name of FERRIE was brought.

up. GREINER related he had beer approached on or about November 5,

196% by Jefferson Parish District Attorney FRANk LANGRIDE, Attorney

G. WRAY GILL and a MI. CROUCHEI, fatheI Of BRIC CROUCHEI. GREINER

said these persons had asked that FBRRIE be reinstated in his duties

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with Bastern. CREINR was informed by this group that charges

presently pending in Jefferson Parish against the subject were to

be dismissed and these people implied that the charge of intimidation

against the subject in Orleans Parish was slated to be dismissed in

view of the reluctance of the complaining witness, BRIC CROUCHEI, to

substantiate his original statement.

Captain CREINER told the source he had advised this group that

the matter of the subject's reinstatement was not nithin the realm

as his authority.

In viow or the above information, Orleans Parish District

Attornsy RUDOLPH F. BECKER, III. was contacted November 7, 1962 and

advised that his office presently has no intention of disnissing the

pending charge against FERRIE relative to intimidation and extortion

against the complaining witness, ERIC CROUCHEI, regardless of

CROUCHT's feelings at the present time. BECKER stated that in view

of the stateuent previously furnished by CROUCHEI in this matter the

District Attorney intended to proceed in due course and allow hin

the opportunity of repudiating said statenent under oath if CROUCHEI

so desired.

On November 7, 1962, Lieutenant ALVIN C. MIESIER, 5824 LoUis XIV

Street, was interviewed at this address by EDWARD M. DAVIS. He

advised he was now assisting in the training of Cadets of the AFCAP,

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Civil Alr Patrol, at New Orleans Airport. He advised he was under

the command of Major EDWARD W. CHRISTIANSEN, JR., AFCAP Liaison

Officer, 1723 Masonic Temple Building, Phone 529-2411, Extension

8701, New Orleans, Louisiana. He advised that he had known DAVID

FERRIE several years, that he first knaw FaRRIE when FERRIE had

charge of C.A.P. Cadets at New Orleans Airport. So far as he knew,

FERRIE had never been married, had no family other than his mother,

who was possibly residing in New Orleans: The subject had no

military record known to hin. He advised that subject hated women,

seemed to hate Southerners, and at one time threatened to sue him

and three more men over some incident which he did not name.

FERRIE appeared to be well educated and in his, MIESTER's,

opinion had been educated in a seminary school. He advised the

subject allegedly has a Ph.D, but this had never been confirmed.

PERRIE had attended a school in Cleveland, Ohio, having a double

name which he could not recall; this is possisly Western-Reserve.

He

advised FERRIE also allegedly attended Phoenix University but this

was not confirmed.

He advised the subject organized and trained C.A.P. Cadets in

1958 and thereafter at New Orleans Alrport but had no authority to

do so, and had so Charter under F.A.A. for this activity.. FERRIE

was later reported to be training Metairie Falcons, a C.A.P. Cadet

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unit, but this also had no Federal Charter to operate. Lt. MIESIBR

advised that anyone weazing C.A.P. Cadet uniforns, unless under.

Federal: Charter, was in violation of Federal law.

Lt. MIESTER. advised that in September, 1960, someone unknown had

stolen all the personnel recoids of the C.A.P. Cadets fron a room

used by this unit near the New Orleans Airport. He knew a JARRY WALKER,

a Cadet in 1958, who at that time resided on Tulane Avenue just off

Claiborne. He advised that WALKER was now in the United States Marines.

FERRIS wears a toupee, possibly selí-made, is a very aggressive

person, highly obnoxious at tines, very influential with people. He

advised that he had heard through Cadet sources, whom he did not name,

that subject is possibly a homosexual.

MIESIER advised that he knew an individual, whon he refused to

name, that had made the statement, "If charges against the subject

were dropped, he (this person) would go to the District Attorney and

give then enough information to put FERRIE away for a long tine."

MIBSIR advised that the records of all C.A.P. Units in the

New Orleans area are maintained at Bilington AlI Fosce Base, Texas,

under the supervision of Colonel PAUL C. ASHWORTH, that all authorized

units are under Federal Charter, and that any others operating, other.

than those so chartered, are doing so illegally.

MIESIER advised that shortly before Christuas, 1961, there were

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two men fIon P.A.A., Washington, D. C., Investigating FERRIE's pilot

status. He advised he did not know the outcome of this Investigation

but felt the results would be available to the proper authority.

A confidential source advised on November 7, 1952 that ERIC M.

CROUCHET, 949 St. Mary Street, New Orleans, had addressed a letter

dated October 20, 1962, to Captain GEORCB CREINER, Chies Pilot,

Eastern Airlines, New Orleans, In which he said that charges filed

against D. W. FERRIE were false and that actually FERRIE was being

framed on these charges. This same source also determined that

FERRIE's present address is 3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway. Another

person who will know of FERRIS's address if he moves 1s ERLE PRINE,

bookkeeper, 5735 Vermillion Boulevard, telephone 288-1360.

It was determined on November 7, 1962 that all records in the

New Orleans area on airline pilots are maintained at the PAA, AlI-Tec

Center Building, Downan Road, near the New Orleans Municipal Airport,

under the supervision of MI. JOHN POWELL.

An attempt was made to contact MI. FOlVELL On November 7, 1952

but he was not in his office. His secretary reviewed the indices

fos the subject but was unable to find any record for him. She

advised that the local office usually naimained a file containing

the pilot's certificate number, ratings and all other data for a

period of two years after which it was forwarded to the FAA, Airmen

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Records Branch, 621 Norta Robisos, Oklahoma City, Oclabana.

added the subject was unknown to her.

She

HARRY HOWARD, Attorney, 1807 Pare Marquette Building, New Orleans,

advised on November 13, 1952 that he represented KERRY KING in charges

that grew out of the so-called "Sex Ring" in Jeilerson Parish, This

group was composed almost entirely of juveniles. MI. HOWARD said ha

did not remember the nane DAVID FERRIB eveI being mentioned in that

case. He went through his file on this case and zone of the juveniles

in that case were the same as those mentioned in various chaigas

against FERRIE..

On Novenber 15, 1952, an individual formerly employed as an

Investigator for a Federal law enforcement agency advised he once

Investigated DAVID WILLIAM FERRIE in connection with FERRIE's lavolve

sent in a nissing person complaint as well as an alleged violation of

the law regarding the theit of covernment property.

This source advised the investigative file is no longer available

to him nor is he in a position to testily to the results of his

findings. However, the following account is his best recollection

of the intoraaiion he developed during the course of his inquiry.

The case was assigned in August, 1951, following a visit to the

agency by the parents of a white, male juvenile whose whereabouts

was unknown, (In all probability this is the incident concerning

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MI. and MIs. ALEXANDER LANDRY and their son, AL, JR., although the

source could not remember the names of the parties involved.)

According to the parents, their son had been associating with the

subject to the point where he had convinced him to te disobedient to

their wishes and FERRIE had made it possible for the boy to run away

fIon bone and go to Houston. Ine parents said their son had net

FERRIE through activitles of the Civil AlI Patrol. From information

gained through discussion with parents of other children who vere

also in the CAP unit, the parents of the missing youngster had come

to have serious doubts as to the legal status of the unit FERRIS

commanded.

They had heard that this CAP unit was without official

sanction. The source advised that before any extensive inquiry was

nade. Into the boy's whereabouts he was advised by the parents they

had been successiul In locating the boy through persons associated

with FERRIE.

Information was received by this source that fERRIS allegedly

had taken and kept in his possession some filn of novies that were

technically the property of the United States AlI Force. Inquiry:

was then made to detemine whether or not faRRIE was involved in tha

Theft of Government Property.

At this time the source interviewed the Ali foIce Liaison

Officer for the Louisiana Wing of the Civil Air Patrol in an eifort

to gain background infomation concerning FBRRIB. This officer, a

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Captain whose name is not remembered by the source, advised that

FERRIE's association with the CAP was not legitimate as his renoval

from that group had been requested and effected approximately two

years previously as a result of

several incidents which occurred in

the Summar of 1958 or 1959 during the PatIol'S Surer encampuent at

Keesler Air Force Base, Mississippi.

on that occasion the nembers were assigned to various barzacks.

the Senlor Advisors, Squadron Commandants and officers were assigned

quarters other than those given the cadets. FERRIE complained

bitterly that he should be permitted to reside with the menbers of

his group in their barracks.

This was strictly against all esisting

policy and when FERRIE continued his insistence that he be quartered

with his group of boys he was ordered by his superior officers not to

stay in the cadet barracks.

shortly after this order, FERRIE was discovered living in the

barracks in defiance of the order and in the ensuing uproar he was

ordered to leave the base.

He departed and took nost of the members

of his group with him although the encampment was not ended. He then

fored his own squadion without official sanction.

The AlI FoICe Liaison OfficeI told the source that during the

subsequent inquiry by the CAP and Air Force Investigative agencies,

several rumors were received concerning FERRIE'S actions with the

boys under his supervision.

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The source stated that this same AlI Force Liaison OfficeI

might still be assigned to this area and could be contacted lor

further information about FERRIe's activities as discovered by that

No infornation was developed regarding prosecution in the

alleged Theft of Governnent Property violation and the investigation

was discontinued.. According to this souice, no infommation was

developed reflecting any associates or incidents concerning the

subject in Alexandria, Louisiana. He added that no inquiry had been

conducted by his agency in the Houstos, Texas area which might identify

any associates of FERRIE there.

AT ALEXANDRIA, LOUISIANA:

In connection with inforation previously devaloped though

Motor Vehicle registrations concerning a 1959 Ford registered to

LI. DAVID W. FERRIB, JR., USMC, residence listed at 11 Prospect

Street, Alexandria, Louisiana, as well as reference to SUSAN CARDEN,

P. 0. Drawer 1151, that city, in statement on Februasy 18, 1962 of

ALVIN FOLAND EBAUBOUER, Chief of Police STAFFORD RICHE, Alexandria,

was telephonically. contacted by GORCE L. RISLEY On November 15, 1962

at which tine he furnished the lollowing infarnation:

A review of his department's identification files revealed no

criminal record oi complaint filed for the subject or DAVID W. FERRIE,

JR. Neither of these individuals were known to the chief. He advised

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he has had no particular problems regarding sex deviates in his

jurisdiction. A check with his Juvenile Division falled to discern

any file or complaint on the subject, FERRIE, JR., SUSAN CARDEN OF

anyone using the above names.

RICHE stated he had overheard some discussion among members of

his department several years ago regarding "gossip" to the effect that

an individual by the sane of JUNEAU, who resided in the vicinity of

Prospect Street, was a homosesual. No overt acts were reported to his

department and no inquiry ever was initiated in the absence of any

complaints. A check of the city directory by RICE during the call

revealed a DANIEL L• JUNEAU

residing at 31 Prospect Street. RICHE

said this would not be the individual he had referred to as DaNEl

JUNCAU who was employed as a Captain in the flre Department and

was personally known by RICHE. He added

the JUNEAU lanily in that area

was Iather large and it could possibly be another member of the family.

the directory showed so listing for anyone by the nane of FBRRIß.

At this sane time, RICHl had one of his men querie the Rapides

Parish Sherifi's Office concening FERRIB and SUSAN CARDEN. Inis

office reported that a search of their identification and juvenile

files failed to reveal iny criminal record for these individuals.

The New Orleans Retall Credit Bureau advised GORGE L. RISLEY

on Novenber 15, 1962 that a check with the Alexandria, Louisiana

Credit Bureau revealed there was no record for DAVID W. FERRIe, J.,

11 Prospect Street, und no prior inguiries received there about him.

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A confidential source known to GIORGE Li RISLEY who is employed

in Alexandria's leading nedical clinic reported telephonically on

Novembez 15, 1962 that Captain DANIEL Li JUNEAU, age fOrty, 1s employed

with the Alexandria fire Departnent, 13 married to LEIA ROBERIS JUNEAU,

age thirty-seven, and both are patients of the clinic. No derogatory

information is known about the JUNBAUS and both are well regarded by

local residents.

Inis source further advised that the residence of 11 Prospect

street is orned by TRANS PACHIELIK, JR., who resides there with his

wife, ESTELLE, and their son, FRANK PACHOLIK, III, The father and

son are owners of and actively engaged in the operation of Alexandria

Pest Control, Inc., and also operate a furniture repair shop at 1814

Rapides Street. Inis shop is located about five blocks from their

residence. The PACHOLIKS are also regarded very highly by their

neighbors and associates, according to this source.

Ine following persons were interviewed on the dates indicated

in an effort to develop incomation on FERRIs's activities involving

juveniles dud ng his residence at the various addresses listed. No

derogatory information was developed during these contacts noi was

any infornation obtained which night provide further investigative

leads fIon these sources.

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Thursday, November 3, 1962

MIS, GRACE PERES

4616 Orleans Averue, New Orleans

DELOS RAY CRAIN

4618 Orleans Avenue, New Orleans, Apt. A

DE. PHILIP P. FIORITO 4612 Orleans Avenue, New Orleans

It is pointed out there are no residences on the opposite side of

Orleans Avenue in this block and no municipal numbar 4615 Orleans.

Wednescay, November 14, 1962

LEON and MARGARET SPANIBR

ALLAN F. HOLMEREN

ROBERI P. RETIR

J. I. MATTINGLY

DONALD J. BAILBY

700 Airline Park, Notairie, Louisiana

701 Affline Park, Metairie, Louisiana

705 Airlisa Park, Metairie, Louisiana

712 Airline Park, Metairie, Louisiana

6409 Ithaca Street, Metairie,

Louisiana and formerly of 712

Alrline Pask

335 Atherton DIive, Metairie

325 Atherton Drive, Metairia

330 Atherton Drive, Metairie

1303 Clay Street, Kenner, Louisiana

1305 Clay Street, Kenner, Louisiana

LAWRENCE and DOROITY A:

WASHLEY

ALBERT B. PAZERSON, JR.

MANFIELD A. ROTH

WILLIAM He and GLADYS

LESTER

JOSEPH A. NUNMAKER

Mursday, November 15, 1962

MARION C. and DORIS D. KEEGAN

MiSS ALMEDA C. HUDSON

REINIARDT and EUNICE E.

BAEHR

212 Vinet Street, Jefferson Parish

213 Vinet Street, Jefferson Parish

208 Vinet Street, Jefferson Parish

On November 13, 1962, MI. IOLAN advised MI. CARSON that on

June 8, 1954 FERRIE was reprimanded by Bastern Air Lines for allowing

a fifteen-year-old boy to Iide in one of their planes free of charga

on a flight fron New Orleans to Houston. Ints cane to Bastern's

attention when the youth called their office in Houston to see about

a return tide to lew Orleans. The records reflect this boy's name

WAS GEORGS PIAZZA.

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the curient New Orleans City Directory reflects three persons

with the name GEORGE PIAZZA, however, the most likely one is GOrGE

PIAZZA, 539 Henry Clay Avenue, New Orleans, whose employment is showa

with the Louisiana AlI. National Guard. It was determined through a

pretext telephone call to DEANNA C. PIAZZA at that address that her

husband, GORGE, is presently attending the School of Law at Loyola

university. She advised he is employed by the Louisiana AlI National

quard as an alert pilot, when he is not attending class.

Attempts were made to interview GORGE PIAZZA On November 14

and 15, 1962 with negative results.

On November 16, 1962, GORGB L. RISLEY interviewed GIORGE PIAZZA

in the law library at Loyola University at which time PIAZZA furnished

the following information:

PIAZZA readily admitted he was the individual involved in the

particular incident referred to by MI. TOLAN, PIAZZA net PERRIE

sonetime in late 1952 when he was in the process of obtaining his

private pilot's license at the New Orleans Alzport. At the time he

was fifteen years of age and became acquainted with FERRIE as just

another pilot who flew hia own alsplane from the field. PIAZZA said

FERRIE owned a Stinson Voyager, nich is still kept at the New Orleans

Airport by FERRIE.

During the course of their contacts through the nutual interest

of Flying, FERRIB

made his plane available to PIAZZA for flying tine.

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He offered instruction as well, according to PIAZZA.

At this time, FERRIE ran a CAP Squadron there and PIAZZA jolned.

After obtaining his private license, PIAZZA said FERRIE and he would

Irequently take cross-country trips to Houston, Corpus Chrieti and

San Antonio, Texas. On many Occasions, PIAZZA accompanied faRRIs to

Cleveland, Ohio where they would visit FERRIE's nother, when she was

still alive. FERRIB has a brothes, whose nage is not recalled, who

is presently employed with the Firestone Tire and rubber Company in

Akron, Ohio.

FERRIE has no children either by adoption of marriage and to

PIAZZA's knowledge, he has never been married.

Dusing these frequent flying trips with FERRIE, usually in his

private plane, they generally stayed at the same hotel frequented

by Bastern cres. PIAZZA can only recall one occasion wen they

spent the night at soms place other than one of these

hotels and this

was on one occasion when they visited Corpus Christi, Texas and spent

the night at the rectory of a Catholic Church. The priest there,

whose name is not recalled by PIAZZA, was a friend of FERRIE and

provided rooms for them.

PIAZZA is of the recollection that FERRIE has a close friend

in Houstos, Texas whon he visits, but this individual is connected

in some capacity with bastein AlI Lines there and his exact identity

1s unknown. PIAZZA said he net many friends of FERRIE in Houstor

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but it is his belies that they were all connacted with Bastern in

some capacity of enployneat.

He can recall no outside associates of

the subject in that area.

Referring to the incident on June 8, 1958, PIAZZA said he

believed that FERRIB was scheduled for a trip from New Orleans to

Houston and was to speak before some group in Houston that night

before continulng his flight to Brownsville, Texas, returning to

Houston and thence to Now Orleans. FERRIS asked PIAZZA to accompany

him on the trlp. PIAZZA said he mentioned the subject of tha cost and

the ticket whereupon FERRIE told hin that matter was already resolved

and not to worry. PIAZZA said he is of the impression now that

FERRIE showed him a ticket but it has been so long ago his mamory 1a

not clear on this point. They flew to Houston and PIAZZA said he

boarded the flight as a regular passenger. Once the plane was airborne,

FERRIE invited him to the pilot's compartment where he remained until

they reached Houston. They stayed at the hotel previously referred to

by PIAZZA but whose nane he cannot recall.. It is his recollection

that he was to stay in Houston while FERRIB made the run to Brownsville

and back to Houston.. He was then to join PERRIE fOI the return flight

to New Orleans, PIAZZA said he overslept and was awakened by FERRIB

calking him from the Houston airport to see why he was not at the

field.

FERRIB told hin he had to go on to New Orleans and stated he

had left a ticket for PIAZZA at the Bastern AlI Lines desk at the

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terminal. PIAZZA said he had called there about the ticket and they

could not locate it. He returned to New Orleans and that is all he

recalls about the incident.

PIAZZA said his friendship continued with the subject until

about August, 1954. PIAZZA had graduated in Jupe of that year from

high school and was seeking employment. He stated that daring the

time he had first net FERRIB, the latter had helped him obtain his

commercial and instrument ratings. PIAZZA decided not to attend

college and FERRIB told hin of a job avallable in Wildwood, New

Jersey.: This job was with a non-scheduled airline. FERRIE told him

to contact RALPH COX with United States Overseas Airways and he did so.

PIAZZA fleW to Oklahona City, net COX and an aunt of COX; where the

three of them flew to wildwood, New Jersey. PIAZZA said he was hired

without any difficulty and he worked there from June until August,

1954, At that time he decided to return to New Orleans and attend

college.: For sona reason, his decision to do this tIritated FERRIE

and theis association and contact terminated. PIAZZA said he had no

argument with the subject nor was there any hostility fron the occasion.

He has only seen FERRIE on two or three brief occasions since that

time. PIAZZA entered the AlI POICe in 1955 and upon his honorable

discharge returned to New Orleans to attend Law. School.

PIZZA emphatically stated that during the entize time he was

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the subjoct displayed any tendency toward any homosesuality or sext

deviation.

FERRIE never suggested or attempted any such relationship

with PIAZZA at any time during their acquaintance and he knows of no

one else with whon FERRIE night have attempted any such acts.

PIAZZA stated that during the two years or so he was iriendly

with the subject he spent a great deal of time with him.

Ha stated

this was of some concern to his parents at the time but that he had no

disagreements with then about the relationship other than the amount

of time he devoted to associating with flying and rolated activities.

He had no fanily crises with then other than the normal ones for a

youth of his age, and PIAZZA said these were brought on by himself

rather than at the suggestion or direction of FERRIB. FERRIE neveI

directly interfered with his parents in any matters but PIAZZA said

PERRIE is the type individual uno lancies hinself an espert in all

matters and, hence, balieves himself infallible. To this end,

FERRIE would express his 1deas in no uncertain tenas to anyone with

whom he disagreed. However, PIAZZA said that fERRIE had never done

this to the PIAZZAS.

FERRIE seened to have a certain talent

and background in the

use of psychology and would use this as vell as his philosophical

Ideas to influence some of the youths in the CAP Squadron.

PIAZZA

said he frequently disagreed with the subject and his bellers and that

FERRIE deeply resents critician.

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FERRIE told PIAZZA he was attending Iulane University to obtain

his doctorate but PIAZZA stated he does not know it this is tus.

In discussion of his activities during the years of World War II.,

FERRIE gave the impression he was a flight instructor. He never

stated whether he was a member of the amed services or a civilian

instructor of just unich branch of the arned forces he taught.

Ins only close friend of FERRIE that PIAIZA could recall was

an individual by the name of JIM LEWALLIN, who is now working in

New Orleans but who was originally from Cleveland, Ohio.

PIAZZA MEt LENALLEN in 1954 when FERRIS was residing on Vinet

Street in Jefferson Parish. LIWALLEN was unemployed and had come to

New Orleans expressly to look up FERRIB. FERRIE helped obtain

employment fOr LEWALLEN at Eastern Air Lines in the baggage department.

LAWALLIN resided for some tina with FERkIE at the Vinet Street

address. PIAZZA said he does not know whether LEWALLEN is still

Exiendly with the subject or not. LEWALLEN is believed employed with

National Car Rentals at New Orleans International Aliport at the

present time.

The subject had several acquaintances in Alexandria, Loulsiana

through his activities with the Civil Air Patrol, according to PIAZZA,

but the identities of these persons are unknown.

PIAZZA knows of no other troubles in the past in wich the

subject was involved. He stated he was amazed when he read the

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newspaper accounts of FERRIE's arrest.. PIAZZA was quite candid

during this interview and appeared to be truthíul in every respect.

He voiced some concern that he might become involved in this matter

as a result of his past association with the subject through flying

interests.

Because of his preparation for the practice of law he is

nost anxious to avoid any attention at all to any connection with

FERRIE, however innocent it was at the tine.

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On November 8, 1952, the

following observation was made at

3330 Louisiana Avenue Pariway, A 1960 Ford Sedan was parked in front

of the above address. This cai was green in colos with ivory top.

bearing 195a Louisiana license 300-001. Inis car has a damaged left

front fender, has several laige spots on the left side and rear left

fender where paint has been renoved. The car was dirty. It has

a suall religious statuette on the dash of the car inside.

At 7:55 A.M., FERRIB left fIon the front door of the above

address, entered this car, drove to south Claiborne, turned right

on South Claiborne, drove to Nashville Avenue, turned let onto

Nashville, drove to St. Charles Avenue, turned right and proceeded

toward Iulane and Loyola universities.

Due to traific conditions

the observation was discontinued at this tine.

Ine following investigation was conducted by EDWARD M. DAVIS!

On November 9, 1952, the following observation was made in

the vicinity of 3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway. At 7:00 A. Mi, 20

activity was noted at the above residence.

FERRIE'S 1960 foid Sedan,

bearing 1962 Louisiana license 300-601, was parked in front of the

above residence.

Just married" was written in chalk on the lest

side of the cai.

At 8:20 A.M., FERRIE departed iron his house and left in his

auto. He drove to south Claiborne, turned left and drove in the

direction of Canal Street. Subject's car was last observed crossing

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Observation vas discontinued due to traitic conditions.

At the time subject departed from his hone, he was wearing a

dark hat, gray sport coat, glasses with dark right lens, and a dark

colored toupee.

At 7:30 P.M., Noventer 9, 1962, observation was reinstituted

at 3330 Louisiana Aveme Parkuay. Nothing pertinent was observed at

this tine. At 8:30?. M., PERRIB artived in his auto, accompanied

by an adult female and ino female childen having the appearance of

approvimately eight years and twelve years of age., They all entered

subject's hone with hin. The adult female was of nedium height.

mediun build, brom balt, wearing gray topcoat.

At 8:25.P. P.M., two adult males cana fron the residence at

3332 Louisiana Aveme Pailway and walked to the front of 3330

Louisiana Avenue Parkway, and a few ninutes later returned to their

home.

At 8150 P. M.,: FERRIE and the three female persons and a young

male left subject's houe. and entered his car... This white male was

approximately six feet tall, slender build, approsimately eighteen

to twenty years of age, and had dark brown hair.

Subject drove to South Claiborne Averie, turned left, drove to

Esplanade Avenue, turned left and drove to the vicinity of Kerlerec

and Bayeu Road, turned sight and drove to the vicinity of Columbus

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Street, conditions at this time made it necessary to drop the

observation for approxinately five minutes. Subject and the above

persons

were next observed proceeding toward isplanade. They turned

left onto Esplanade, proceeded to North Claiborne, turned left onto

North Claiborne and were proceeding in the direction of the lake at

the time the observation was discontinued due to traffic conditions.

On November 10, 1962, the following observations were made at

3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway by EDNARD M. DAVISS

This investigation was started at 6:00 P.M. on November 10, 1962.

FERRIE's auto, a 1950 Ford sedan, green body with ivory top, bearing

1962 Loulsiana Iicense 300-601, was not at the subject's home at this

time.

At approximately 8:50 P.M., FERRIE arrived, driving the above

auto. He was accompanied by a young male white man, eighteen to

twenty yearsa age, brown hair, slender build, about six feet in

height. subject and this person entered the subject's house.. Subject

cane out for a fer ninutes and then re-entered the house.

At 9:15P. P.M., the subject and this young man came fron the

house followed by the subject's dog.. They walked in the direction

of Claiborne Avemue for two blocks and returned, entered the ear at

9:20 P.M. and departed. They drove to Prleur, turned left, drove

to Joledano, turned left and drove toward South Broad. Observation

was discontinued at this tine due to traffic conditions.

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At 11:20 P. M., FERRIE retumed in his car alone. He entered

the house and a few minutes later he returned with his dog.

He took

the dog for a short walk and returned to his home at 11:35 P.M.

Observation was discontinued at this time.

On November 11, 1962, the following observation was made at

3330 Louisiana Avenue Parlway, New Orleans, Louisiana, by BDWARD M. DAVIS:

At approximately 7:50 ?. M., FERRIE Came fron his home and entered

his auto, a 1950 Ford sedan, bearing 1962 Louisiana license 300-601.

He proceeded to the Broadmoor Drug Store, corner of South Broad and

Washington. He left the car and entered the above place of business

and made a telephone call at 3:05 P.M. Alter talking on the phone

foI a few minutes, FERRIE returned home to 3330 Louisiana Avenue

Parkway at 8:11 P.M.

At 8:17 P.M., On Novenber 11, 1962, a teenage boy, driving a

1s old tutor sedan, ivory color, bearing 1903 Louisiona license

139-355, arxived In front of FERRIB's home, left the car, after

parking, and entered the house at 3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway.

This person is white male, approsdnately eighteen years of age,

five feet ten inches tall, fali complexion, has slender build.

At 8130 P. M., On Novenber 11, 1962, a young man, approsimately

81x 18e7 1a heis no leving a 1954 ford tudoi sadad, bearing 1963.

Louisiana license 311-541, arrived In front of 3330 Louisiana Avenue

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Parkway. After parking, he and a young teenage person left the car

and entered FERRIE's home.

At approximately 8:35 P.M., the above individuals, accompanied

Dy TERRIE, Jait in the above two ford eutomobles fRIe, accompanted

the young boy in the ford bearing Louisiana license 139-355, and the

other young man and the teenage person left in the ford bearing

Louisiana license 311-641. These cars drove to South Broad, turned

right on Broad, proceeded to Columbus. Street, turned right on Columbus

Street and at 8:45 P.M., November 11, 1962, the above cars were

observed parted da front or Sast cossaius Street.

This is the

game crowded residential area where the surveillances were terminated

on November 9 and 10, 1962.

At 9:35 P. Mo, November 11, 1962, FERRIE and the driver of the

Ford baarina Lousiana licente 139-355, Lert the above address and

diove to the corner of Noith Prieur and Esplanade.

They parked at

1311 North Prieur and knocked on the door at that address.

FERRIE and this person conferred for some time on the sidewalk

at 1311 North PIleUI.:

At 10:10 P.M., FERRIE, the above young person

and an older man were observed walking toward Bsplanade from the

direction of sayon Road, they stoppos at the entrance to fili dorth

Priour where the car bearing Louisiana license 139-355 was parked.

At this time FBRRIE engaged in a heated conversation with this older

person, making many gestures with his hands and head. Inis continued

ant11 11:18 P.M.

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At 11:18 P.M., this older person entered the hone at 1311 North

Priour with a key. FERRIE and the young person left in the ford

bearina 1962 Loulaham license Is sis and procedded to tERRIes home

at 3330 Louisiana Avenue Parkway. They parked at approximately

11:25 P.M. and entered FERRIE's houe. At approximately 11:45 P. M.

they left the house with FERRIE's dog and walked toward South

Claiborne. They returned to the hone about ten minutes later.

At midnight, observation was discontinued and the above person

was stlll at the home of FERRIE and his car was parked in the rear

Of FERRIE's car in Iront of 3330 Louisiana Avenue Pazkway.

At approxinately 8:00 A. M., Novenber 12, 1962, It was observed

that FERRIE's car and the car bearing Louisiana license 139-355 were

gone.

On MoveR 23, 1962, the 1954 Fozd tador, bearing Louisiana

license 311-841, was observed parked in the drive under the front

porch of 2441 Columbus Street. No one was observed in or near the car.

1962 Louisiana license 139-355 1s issued to HUG! L. EROWNLEE,

4728 Jefferson Highway, Jefferson Parish, for a 1955 Ford Sedan.

The current suburban city directory shows HUG! L. BROWNLES, JR.

(ROSA L.) at this address is employed as an engineer for U. S. Engineers.

1962 Louisiana license 311-841 1s issued to J. V, CROUCHEI, 1004

Versailles Street, New Iberia, Louisiana, for a 1954 Ford. Telephone

information service advised that JOE V. CROUCHEI lives at 2441 Columbus

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MEMORANDUH

April 19, 1967

TO:

FROM :

RE :

JIM GARRISON

DISTRICT ATTORNEY

ANDREW J. SCIAMBRA

ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY

SPECIAL INVESTIGATION

AL LANDRY - INTERVIEW WITH

I talked to AL LANDRY at the New Orleans Athletic

Club in the presence of BOB LEMOINE, PERRY RUSSO, Jim Alcock,

Charlie Ward, and Lou Ivon (this was during your visit to Las

Vegas) :

AL. LANDRY told me that he first met DAVID FERRIE

in 1960.

He

said that he was in the C.A.P. in 1959 and 1960

and at that time he was around 15 years old.

LANDRY said that

FERRIE was sacond in command in the C.A.P. and a man namad

MORRELL was in command.

FERRIE at that time lived at 331

Atherton Drive, Matairie, Louisiana.

LANDRY stated that his

mother also lived in the house. LANDRY said that LAYTON MARTENS

used to stay there for 2 and 3

months at a time.

LANDRY said

that some of the people

in the squadron at that time were:

JOE PRATTINI

JOE HOWARD

CARL COSTA

SCOTT THANES

DONNIE RICHARDS

BUTCH MARSH

AL CHERAMIE

MIKE. CRUCHET

JOHNNY ESPENAN

PRICE

LAYTON MARTENS

JIM LANDRY (whose father was

a mechanic for Eastern

Airlines)

JOHNNY JOHNSTON

RODNEY WILLIAMS

LANDRY said that FERRIE hypnotized him twice that

he can remember.

He also said that FERRIE never did take him

out of the country, but he did leave home of his own accord

around 1960. LANDRY said he met FERRIE in the Balter Building

when he came

back in from out of town. LANDRY said he went

into the service in 1962 and was in the service until well

after the assassination.

He says he knows ARCACHA, but does

"not know JULIAN BUZNEDO.

ANDREW J. SCIAMBRA

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FRANK BENFATTI

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BEFORE THE EASTERN AIP. LINES PILOTS

SYSTEM BOARD OF ADJUSTVENT

BRIEF OF EASTERN ATR LINES, INC., ON GRIEVANCE OF

DAVID W. FERRIE

EASTERN #15-63

EASTERN #29-63

EASTERN #48-63

CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS

On August 26, 1961, the Company learned through an article in the

New Orleans Times-Picayune that Ferrie had been arrested on charges of

committing a crime against nature and indecent acts with juvenile boys.

(Co. Ex. 55.) On August 29, after unsuccessful attempts to contact Ferrie,

the Company suspended him for an "indefinite period and until such time as

the charges against (Ferrie) are cleared." (Co. Ex. 56 and 57.) There

followed a series of attempts by the Company to obtain some explanation

from Ferrie in regard to those charges. (CO. Ex. 57, 58, 59, 60, 61.)

Finally, on October 19, 1961, Ferrie sent a letter to Captain Griener

based on

"reports of reputable detectives." The letter stated that:

".. . my problem has been traced with certainty to a highly placed local

official. We have positive evidence that this official is a Communist and

has been in charge of some highly important Communistic activities involving

the protection of Comnunists in the area." (Co. Ex. 62.)

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Ferrie's status with Eastern was finalized in Captain Griener's letter

of September 6, 1961, to the effect that: "... the Company will be willing

to continue you on your present status until such time as a final determina-.

tion of these charges can be made. At that time a final decision as to your

future employment at Eastern will be made." (Co. Ex. 59.)

Some eleven criminal charges were eventually brought against Ferrie.

(Co. Ex. 20)

By letter of January 8, 1963, received by Eastern on January 10, 1963,

Mr. Gill informed the Company that the last of the criminal charges against

Ferrie had been Nolle Prosequied. (Co. Ex. 64.) Although a Nolle Prosequi

does not finally dispose of

a charge since it can be refiled without

prejudice, and even though

the action was not "final" as

contemplated in the

Griener letter, the Company elected to treat the criminal cases as finalized

and to proceed with its investigation, (The effect of a Nolle Prosequi will

• be discussed further in a later portion of the brief.

Ferrie, by letter of january 10, 1963, was directed to report to the

office of Captain Stone on January 17 to "discuss... the improprieties

which led to your suspension and to determine what future action the Company

will take in your case." (Co. Ex. 65.)

This meeting was delayed at Ferrie's request and, instead of attending

the meeting on January 17, he filed Grievance 15-63 on that date. This

grievance alleged that Eastern violated Ferrie's rights by not restoring

him to

flight status

as

of

January 9, 1963. It should be noted that the

Company's action suspending Ferrie in 1961 was never grieved.

Thus, all

the pending grievances

relate only to the action taken by the Company after

January 9, 1963. As requested by the Board, all pending grievances will be

covered in this brief.

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The second date established for the Miami meeting was January 28, 1963.

This date was again postponed at the request of Ferrie or his representative

and the first step hearing in Grievance 15-63 was also postponed by agreement.

(Co. Ex. 66.)

On February 18, 1963, Grievance 29-63 was filed by Ferrie, alleging a

refusal to "air original Grievance in accordance with Section 30," refusal

to provide "pilot with written specifications of reasons why he is being

held out of service," an attempt to "compel Grievant to give testimony prior

to any scheduled Hearing," and "otherwise preventing him from exercising any

of his contractual rights, or complying with a Company request for an

'informal hearing.'"

Finally, on February 18, 1963, the meeting was held in Miami. (CO. Ex. 68%

At that meeting Ferrie positively refused to answer any questions concerning

the criminal charges which had been brought against him or any other matter

that had come to the attention of the Company. Ferrie was specifically

directed to answer these questions and was carefully warned that refusal to

answer would be considered grounds for disciplinary action. (Co. Ex. 68.)

On March 1, 1963, by letter from F. A. Stone, Vice President-Flight

Operations, Ferrie was discharged. (Co. Ex. l.) On that same date the

first step hearing in Grievance 15-63 was rescheduled for March

8, 1963.

(Co. Ex. 62.)

On March 11, 1963, Ferrie filed Grievance 48-63, which pertained to

his discharge.

Ferrie was then provided with a more extensive breakdown

of the items relied upon in discharging him. (Co. Ex. 2.)

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REVIEW OF EVIDENCE ON BEHALF OF THE COMPANY

The Board in considering this case should keep in mind the fact that

the main energies of the grievant were devoted to the suppression of the

pertinent facts about his behavior. The hearing was probably the most

technical in the long history of arbitrations under the Railway Labor Act

insofar as objections and rulings on profferred evidence. Time and time

again evidence was excluded which would normally be received as a matter

of course.

The grievant's efforts to suppress evidence and keep the Board in the

dark as to his activities were so successful that probably the majority of

the Company's evidence was excluded. However, in the long run, the efforts

of the grievant were unavailing, for evon the minor portion of the Company's

case which it succeeded in getting before the Board proved conclusively that

the charges brought by the Company were true and that the Company's actions

were justified.

Sergeant Fournier, the New Orleans police officer who conducted a major

portion of the investigation that led to the filing of the eleven criminal

charges, testified extensively concerning that investigation. His testinony

showed a normal, conscientious police investigation which started with a

routine investigation of the report that juvenile Alexander Landry had run

away from home.

The only non-routine aspect of the investigation was the fact that, at

every step of the police investigation of the runaway juvenile, evidence of

criminal activities on the part of Ferrie were uncovered. Thus, the

investigation grew in significance and the criminal charges against Ferrie

multiplied.

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A review of Sergeant Fournier's testimony leads one inescapably to the

conclusion that the criminal charges against Ferrie were not the result of

any sinister forces at work or the result of the activities of an outraged

mother.

The criminal charges resulted directly and solely from Ferrie's

nefarious activities.

There

can be no doubt that Ferrie was intimately connected with

Alexander Landry's runaway

from home.

It is even admitted that the first

time landry ran away he went directly to Ferrie. The second time he ran

away he did not return until his parents signed a statement agreeing not

to prosecute Ferrie. Again, this is admitted by Ferrie. (I547 - 548)

Nor can there be any doubt that Ferrie was intimately connected with

Al Cheramie's runaway from home. Sergeant Fournier testified as to Ferrie

visiting Cheramie in the youth detention center under the pretext of being

a doctor. The connection is also senfirned by the passport obtained for

Cheramie by Ferrie at approximately the time of the runaway.

The evidence

points directly to the fact that Ferrie assisted that child in running away

and that his visit to the child was for the purpose of insuring that he would

conceal the part played by Ferrie.

Sergeant Fournier's testimony supported the charges that Ferrie had

purported to be a medical doctor and his connection with the Holy Apostolic

Catholic Church of North America. Medical equipment, a priest's robe and a

chalice were found when Ferrie's house was searched.

Sergeant Fournier's testimony showed that the statements of the

juveniles involved as to Ferrie's sexual deviations were obtained freely

and voluntarily. While this type of thing is not easy for a boy to admit,

it must have been a great relief to them to get these matters off their

consciences. Certainly these are not the type of matters one makes up to

tell about oneself merely out of sympathy for the mother of a friend.

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It should also be pointed out that the relatively brief

cross examination

of Sergeant Fournier did not reveal any inconsistencies in his testimony.

Nor did that cross examination reveal any hints of undue pressure brought to

bear on the Sergeant during his investigation.

Sergeant Fournier was

followed

on the stand by James Joseph Landry.

James Landry, who is

now 18, testified that he met Ferrie in August of 1960

at the New Orleans Airport. (I. 84, 85.) Landry was 16 at the time. The

meeting was the result of a discussion between Ferrie and Landry's father,

who was an Eastern Ramp Service Man. (I. 86.) Ferrie had inquired as to

whether or not James Landry would be interested in joining a Civil Air Patrol

Squadron known as the Metairie Falcon Squadron. (I. 85, 86.) On meeting

Ferrie, James Landry joined the squadron and was issued a membership card.

(Co. Ex. 3.)

landry's testimony as to his understanding of the status of this squadron

as an official part of the Civil Air Patrol was as follows:

"Well, for a long time we did not have a charter. Then, I

I guess it was over a year, he finally showed up with a charter

and said we were officially in the C.A.P."

Do "Who is 'he'?!l

A. "David Ferrie." (I. 88.)

Landry went on to describe parties at Ferrie's house during which Ferrie

supplied and served alcohol to the minors who were in the C.A.P.

(T. 89.)

Landry then testified as to having sexual relations with Ferrie on nights

that he stayed at Ferrie's home. (I. 98, 102.) The Board's special attention

is called to this witness' demeanor on the stand and the fact that vigorous

cross examination, in an attempt to show a motive for

the testimony, failed to

reveal any motive except that the testimony was true.

Landry's testimony had

the ring of truth, in contrast to the false notes struck by the witnesses for

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Landry was followed to the stand by Dr. Yaegar. Dr. Yaegar testified

concerning complaints received about Ferrie practicing medicine without a

license. (I. 142-143.) Ferrie was called in by Dr. Yaegar and warned against

such action. Whereupon, through a forty minute interview, Ferrie spun a

fantastic web of lies about his background and activities. (Note particularly

the testimony about Ferrie claiming to have several Ph.D's at page 144 and

compare with Irion's

testimony on the same subject.) Unfortunately for

Ferrie, Dr. Yaegar was in a position to check many of these statements and

found them to be completely false. (I. 144-145.)

Dr. Yaegar's testimony in regard to the complaints received should be

considered in connection with Company Exhibit 4 (which shows that Ferrie had

himself listed in the telephone directory as Dr.) with Sergeant Fournier's

testimony in regard to the medical instruments found in Ferrie's home and with

the testimony of Irion, a witness called by Ferrie, who testified that Ferrie

often treated him for various sicknesses,

The next witness on behalf of the Company was John Roger Espenan.

Mr. Espenan's son had been a member of Ferrie's unauthorized C.A.P. Metairie

Falcon Squadron. Mr. Espenan testified as to having become suspicious of the

squadron's authenticity, of Ferrie's statements that it was an authorized

squadron, and of his obtaining the forged certificate and taking it to the

Air Force C.A.P. sergeant who confirmed his suspicion of its being invalid.

(I. 285-295.) He, Espenan, also testified that the supposed certificate

was on a form used for C.A.P. Certificates. (I. 305, 314)

After Mr. Espenan's

testimony there could be no

doubt that Ferrie

organized a bogus C.A.P. squadron and deceived the parents and the members

as to its status. To quiet the questions about its

status, he forged a

C.A.P. Certificate. Mr. Espenan's testimony was,

of course, completely

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confirmed by the records of the C.A.P, and, particularly, the sergeant's

Memo to File regarding Espenan's visit to the headquarters with the forged

certificate. (Co. Ex. 54.)

The Board should particularly note the representations of Mr. Gill

and Ferrie that appear on pages 302-304 of the transcript. Both gentlemen

assured. the Board there was a state charter, which was

obtained in 1961 and

which would be introduced in evidence by them. These representations proved

to be completely false, as no such document was ever tendered by them.

There was no

state charter issued until 1962, long after Ferrie's arrest

and the breakup of the squadron. Moreover, they knew that they could not

produce any charter issued in 1961. The Company did produce the only state

charter issued; it was issued in 1962, and it was signed by Ferrie.

(AIPA Ex. 23; I. 516, 517.)

This attempt to mislead the Board was typical of the grievant's case

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The next witness for the Company was Ronald Hubner. Three exhibits

(Co. Ex. 6, 7 and 8) were introduced during his testimony. The first exhibit

was a letter from the American Vice Consul in Italy and it exploded completely

Ferrie's contention that he had a Ph.D. from Pheonix University in Bari, Italy.

(Co. Ex. 6.) The second exhibit was the minutes of the New Orleans Chapter

of the Military Order of World Wars meeting of July 24, 1961, at which Ferrie

made a speech which inflamed the membership. This record of the meeting

shows that Ferrie was indulging in these activities as an Eastern Air Linest:

Captain, not as a private individual, "(Co. Ex. 70) bar: 300/ cold eat

The third exhibit was a letter from Colonel Christiansen of the sace

U. S. Air Force detailing some öf the difficulties Ferrie got into in the

C.A.P. during the period he was a legitimate member. (Co. Ex. 8.)

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The remainder of the Company's case consisted

of a series of exhibits.

Exhibits 44 through 54 were records of the Civil Air Patrol regarding Ferrie.

They showed that from 1955 to 1959 Ferrie was out of the Civil Air Patrol.

Apparently he was

put out in 1955 against his wishes, and it took him

approximately one year, starting in 1958, to obtain permission to return.

(Co. Ex. 44 and 47.)

He was in the Civil Air Patrol from approximately

September 1959 until June of 1960, when he was again forced out because of

his misbehavior.

Company Exhibit 48 shows that he used his claim to have a Ph.De in

gaining readmission to the Civil Air Patrol. Company Exhibits 51-54 show

that it was generally believed in New Orleans that Ferrie had an authorized

squadron in 1961, and these misrepresentations had reached the point that

the Civil Air Patrol was considering staining newspaper coverage of their

denials of any connection with Ferrie,

Exhibits 72 and 73 were rebuttal exhibits to Ferrie's testimony regarding

Italian universities. They show the actual methods of accredidation, the

requirements for attendance of foreign students, the degrees awarded, and

that Phoenix University is not a recognized Italian university. These

exhibits should be compared with Ferrie's testimony on this subject. The

result is that Ferrie's testimony regarding the Italian system of higher

learning (molded by him to fit his clained alma mater) is completely refuted

by the impartial documentary exhibits introduced by the Company.

Other Company exhibits were Ferrie's application for employment

(Co. Ex. 9) and the physical record he filled out when applying for employment

(Co. Ex. 10) Most

of the Company's testimony (showing that many facts were

concealed by Ferrie in making

out these forms) was excluded. However, Ferrie

testified about these

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omitting many derogatory items. His explanation for not listing his total

educational and employment record is certainly amazing, but hardly persuasive.

The health records introduced by Ferrie himself show mental and physical

problems which should have been revealed to the Company; especially the record

of the Cleveland Clinic, which was introduced after a demand for its

production by the Company. (ALPA Ex. L.) Mr. Gill explained this medical

report as being due to Ferrie's "tender age" at the time. (I. 487.) At

the time, Ferrie's "tender age" was 26?

REVIEW OF TESTIMONY ON BEHALF OF GRIEVANT

It would be a kindness to Ferrie if the Board simply ignores all the

testimony introduced on his behalf. Unfortunately for Ferrie, the Board

must consider the entire record. It is submitted that the grievant's side

of the case, standing alone, is suificient to justify the Board in upholding

the discharge.

Ferrie, on the stand, testified that everyone knew his squadron was not

part of the Civil Air Patrol, and that early in 1961 he had obtained a state

charter for a non-profit corporation. (I. 515-516.)

An unsworn, unsigned "deposition" in absentia of Martens was offered

as an exhibit at this time by ferrie to support his testimony. (ALPA Ex. 240)

According to Mr. Gill, this "deposition" was based on a letter written by

Mr. Martens. Mysteriously, Martens had not had an opportunity to sign it.

The "deposition" stated that a charter for a non-profit corporation was

obtained in early 1961 and was kept at Ferrie's house. The "deposition" went

on to state that this was the document Mr. Espenan and the sergeant of the

Civil Air Patrol examined.

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Unfortunately, this explanation was doomed to fall apart practically

before it was offered for, to assist the Board, the Company at this point

produced a copy of the only

state charter for

a non-profit

corporation

obtained by Ferrie., This charter was applied for in 1962 — not 1961.

The date is, of course, long after Ferrie's arrest, and even longer after

Mr. Espenan had checked the forged C.A.P. Charter. Moveover, the 1962

document was signed by Ferrie, which establishes beyond question his knowledge

that no previous charter existed. Of course, this 1962 charter also exploded

the unsworn, unsigned "deposition" in absentia of Martens. Indeed, when it

was pointed out that the "deposition" contained parenthetical portions

indicating that Martens was being handed various documents for inspection

while his "deposition" was in progress, Mr. Gill found it necessary to

explain further that the "deposition" was not alone based upon a letter from

Martens after all, but was also based upon a personal interview in his office -

sort of a mixture of the two.

Ferzie's story changed rapidly. He next claimed that, despite

being the leader of the squadron, he did not check details such as a charter.

That was the responsibility of the young boys in the squadron. He ignored

completely the fact that when he signed the 1962 charter he had to know

there was no previous charter in that name, and that when he introduced the

- Martens "deposition," he knew the facts stated therein were untrue.

Ferrie proceeded with testimony to the effect that the landry accusation

originally related to April 26, 1961.

He testified

about visiting one

Prinz, an Eastern crew scheduler, and obtaining absolute proof that he was

not in New Orleans on April 26.

The information supposedly obtained fron

Prinz was to the effect that Ferrie was

on a flight as shown by flight records.

(T. 596, 597, 601, 602) Ferrie then implied that the District Attorney was

tipped off to this proof and the date on the indictment was changed to

April 28, 1961.

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On cross-examination he first refused to answer any questions about

the proof obtained from Prinz. (I. 618-620.) He then became vague and

could not remember what the proof was or whether the proof regarding

April 26 was even obtained from Prinz. (T. 621, 626, 628, 629.) This

initial refusal to testify and the

subsequent vagueness is understandable

in view

of

the

proof offered by the Company in the form of pay records

showing he was

on vacation the last half of April, 1961. (Co. Ex. 71.)

Ferrie's other testinony was as wild and unconvincing as the first two

instances noted. First, he had a good, solid Ph.D. Then, after cross-

examination, on redirect by his attorney, he took the position that, regardless

of its validity, he felt he had benefited by obtaining it. (I. 706.) Of

course, the Board should not forget his testimony that he obtained this Ph.D.

to impress Harvard professors with his ability in the area of air safety.

Also noteworthy was his testimony that he listed himself in the telephone

book as "Dr." for the same purpose. Ferrie left to the Board's imagination

how the Harvard professors were going to be impressed by his listing in the

New Orleans telephone book.

It would serve no useful purpose, and space scarcely permits a discussion

of all the inconsistencies and inaccuracies in Ferrie's testimony. One other

aspect of his testimony is so important that it must be touched upon. Ferrie

had some eleven criminal charges brought against him. On direct examination

he did not attempt any detailed explanation of why this should happen to him

other than implications that it was done by Mrs. Landry. (He had previously

explained in a letter to Captain Griener that it had all happened because he

was hot on the trail of Communists, some of whom worked for Eastern.)

On cross-examination he was offered the

chance to explain. A long

statement was made that, based on investigations by private detectives, it

could be shown that his

troubles with the law were

due to Communists and

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Mrs. Landry. (I. 676-684.) However, when details were requested, it became

apparent that there was no evidence to support the explanation.. A District

Attorney was supposed to be the key figure; however, Ferrie testified this

District Attorney refused to have anything to do with the charges and

the

majority of the charges were actually brought

in an entirely different parish.

(I. 679, 682, 683.) No connection was shown between this District Attorney

and Mrs. Landry and the individuals who signed statements.

The net result of Ferrie's testimony on this subject was that he had no

explanation at all. Thus, Sergeant Fournier's testimony, such as he was

allowed to give, involving his normal, impartial police investigation stands

completely unrefuted.

The other witnesses called by Ferrie contributed more to the Company's

case than to Ferrie's case. Irion's testimony on cross-examination was about

the most damaging testimony to Ferrie presented during the hearings. He

stated that, during 1955 through 1960, Ferrie participated in C.A.P. meetings

and wore a Captain's uniform. (I. 765, 766.) Of course, the previously-

introduced C.A.P. documents proved conclusively that Ferrie was not an

official member of the C.A.P. during most of this period. (Co. Ex. 44 and 47.)

Irion also testified that it was unlawful to wear this uniform unless you were

an official member of the C.A.P. (I. 766.) His prejudice was shown by his

testimony that his opinion of Ferrie would not be changed even it it were

proven to him that Ferrie was not a member of the C.A.P. and was not

authorized to wear a uniform during most of the 1955-1960 period. (I. 768.)

Despite approximately a hali-hour of leading questions and prompting by

grievant's attorney on redirect,

Irion stuck to his story about Ferrie!s

wearing the C.A.P. uniform during periods when he, by his own admission,

was not

a member of the C.A.P. (I. 783-789.)

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His other testimony directly supported the position of the Company, and

was directly contrary to Ferrie's testimony®

He testified that Ferrie had

medical instruments in his home prior to his mother's coming to live with

him (Ferrie had testified

that they were only for his mother); that Ferrie

had three college degrees; that Ferrie was supposedly studying to be a medical

doctor; that Ferrie hypnotized some of the boys; and that Ferrie had a chalice

at his home. (I. 775, 778, 779, 780, 781)

Tewallen! testimony on behalf of Ferrie was totally unpersuasive.

Apparently, the main purpose of calling Lewallen was to support Ferrie's

account of how he filled out his inaccurate employment application form in

Cleveland just before being hired by Eastern. Since Lewallen was in the

Air Force at the time (many miles away in the

Carolinas), he explained his

presence in Cleveland by testimony that his superior had given him three or

four days off in the middle of the week. (T. 816, 817.) According to

Lewallen, he was not on leave or on a pass; he just was given some time off,

and just happened to be in Cleveland and looking over Ferrie's shoulder at

the time the form was filled in and signed as true.

He remembered the exact

details vividly.

Lewallen also confirmed Irion's testimony about Ferrie's participating

in the Civil Air Patrol during 1955-1960, although, under extensive prompting,

he later changed his testimony (I. 807-808) and attempted to

come in line

with the story Ferrie had previously given.

When Vr. Bannister took the stand, the Board was treated to the rare

experience of having

one attorney for the grievant elicit testimony while the

other

attorney for the grievant objected to the testimony and had it stricken.

About the only conclusion that could be drawn from Mr. Bannister's testimony

was that he had interviewed Ferrie's friends and his friends had spoken well

of him. From all indications, he interviewed only people whose names Ferrie

had supplied. (T. 856-857)

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Mr. Bannister testified about his investigation

of Ferrie's speech

before the veterans' organization in the role of an Eastern Captain. Ferrie

must have spoken before that organization twice and had both speeches stopped,

either that or Mc. Bannister's investigation was woefully inadequate, for he

testified as to Ferrie's attacking the then-President Eisenhower.

(I. 842, 858.) The Company's evidence all related to a speech attacking

President Kennedy.

DISCUSSION

It would seem obvious that the evidence introduced on behalf of the

Company or the evidence introduced on behalf of the grievant, either or both,

establishes beyond any doubt that the Company's discharge of Ferrie was

justified. The only real defense set forth on behalf of the grievant was

that he is smart enough to stay out of jail; so he is certainly good enough

to be an Eastern captain. Truly, this is an amazing defense. One might

expect to hear it offered in defense of a janitor, but it grates on the

sensibilities to hear it offered on behalf of an Eastern captain.

An Eastern captain holds a highly-paid, highly-respected, highly-

responsible position. He is responsible for the lives of thousands of

passengers and millions on millions of dollars

of equipment during the

course of a year. If Eastern is to secure passenger revenue with which

to pay its thousands of employees, its pilot group must retain the respect

and trust of the traveling public.

The general public is in no position to judge the flying ability of

a pilot; it makes its judgments on the appearance and general reputation

of an airline's pilot personnel. One does not lightly put one's life in

the hands of another, and certainly not in the hands of a man like Ferrie.

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The Air Line Pilots Association has long been in accord with these

principles. It has worked for years to create a professional status for

the airline pilot. Each base has its Professional Standards Committee,

which is interested in far more than just a pilot's flying ability.

Neither the Company nor the ALPA would ever be satisfied to have a

standard set at the level necessary for the Board to find in favor of

Ferrie. Contrary to Ferrie's contention, one has not proven that his

behavior meets the standards for an airline captain by merely proving one

has not been sentenced to jail.

During the course of the hearing, there were many discussions on the

effect of a case being Nolle Prosequied. Ferrie would have the Board believe

that in some way this completely clears his record; that it is, in effect,

a finding of not guilty. Actually, it anounts to nothing more than a decision

by the District Attorney not to proceed at that time.

This is spelled out

in Title 15 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes, Section 15:328, which reads:

"A nolle prosequi simply discharges a particular indictment

or part thereof,

and is no bar to a subsequent prosecution for

the offense as to which the nolle prosequi was entered."

Thus, if the statute of limitations (a procedural rule having nothing

to do with whether or not a person is guilty of

a charge) has not run, ten

of the original cases could be refiled in louisiana in the future. Certainly,

in such circumstances, the entry of a nolle prosequi is no bar to this

Board's looking into the actions of Ferrie.

Ferrie blandly took the position that the not guilty verdict in the

criminal case relating to James Landry prohibited this Board from considering

any of his activities in connection with landry.

This is not even the rule

in connection with courts of law - let alone action by an administrative

board under the Railway Labor Act.

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As Professor Prosser in Ihe Law of Torts, 2nd Ed., 1955, p. 7, points

out:

"The same act may be both a crime against the state and a

tort against an individual.

In such a

case, since the interests

invaded are not the same, and the objects to be accomplished by

the two suits are different, there may be both a civil tort

action and a criminal prosecution for the same offense.

may be conducted successively, or at the same time, and a decision

for or against the defendant in one is not conclusive as

Perhaps the most common example of this is in automobile accident cases.

Individual A may be criminally charged with speeding which caused an accident

which injured B. If A is found not guilty of speeding in the criminal case,

the jury in a later civil action for damages may still find that A was

speeding and award damages to B. Indeed, it would be reversible error to

permit the jury in the civil action to be told that A had been found not

guilty of speeding in the criminal case, as they must be left free to decide

the issue for themselves.

This same theory carries over to the instant case. In the criminal case

involving Ferrie, the interest of the state was involved. The issue was

whether or not Ferrie had violated a state statute on the date set forth in

the charges. In this case the interest of Eastern is involved. This Board

is concerned with the question of whether or not Ferrie's conduct was such

that Eastern had the right to discharge him.

The decision by Judge Jason Berkman, sitting as neutral with the

Mechanical System Board of Adjustment in the Clements

case, is direct

authority for the

proposition that Eastern may discharge an employee for

the same behavior upon which the employee has successfully defended himself

on a criminal

charge. (Co. Ex. 70.) There is no distinction between the

Clements case

and the Ferrie case on this question.

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It has been

settled law for some thirteen years that only a System

Board of Adjustment may decide an issue involving reinstatement and back pay.

The leading cases establishing that principle, and holding that only Adjustment

Boards under the Railway Labor Act have jurisdiction of such disputes, are

SZocum V. Delaware, Lo & Wo Role, 339 U. S. 239 (1950) and Railway Conductors

V. Southern Railway, 339 U. S. 255 (1950). Ihose Supreme Court decisions

extended the doctrine announced in Railway Conductors v. Pitner, 326 U. S. 561

(1946) to the effect that the administrative agency created under the Railway

Labor Act to decide such matters of contract interpretation and application

should be given primary

jurisdiction of such matters.

In the Slocum case, which involved

interpretation of collective agreements

with respect to job assignments and back pay, the Court concluded: "We hold

that the jurisdiction of the Board to adjust grievances and disputes of this

type is exclusive, "

The doctrine of the Slocum case has been followed in many cases, including

cases involving airline adjustment boards. See, for example, Woolley vo

Eastern Air Lines, 250 F. 2d 87 (5th Cir. 1957); Hettenbaugh v. Airline Pilote

Association, 189 F. 2d 319 (5th Cir. 1951); Crusen v. United Air Lines,

239 F. 2d 863 (10th Cir, 1956); Colbert v. Railroad Trainmen, 206 F. 2d 9

(9th Cir. 1953); Railroad Telegraphers v. New Orleans, I. & Mo Ryo, 156 F.

2d 1 (8th Cir, 1946); Spires v. Southern Ry., 204 F. 2& 453 (4th Cir. 1953);

Starke V. New York, C. & St. In R. Ro, 180 F 2d 569 (7th Cir, 1950).

Thus, no court, whether state or federal, criminal or civil, has the right

to determine the issue presented to this System Board as to whether or not

-"Ferrie is entitled to reinstatement and back pay. This System Board should

and must make its own independent decision on the record before it.

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One of the Company grounds

for the discharge was that

Ferrie refused

to cooperate when

the Company was conducting its investigation in January

of 1963 to determine what action, if any, the Company should take, The

transcript of that hearing (Co. Ex. 68), wherein Ferrie refused to answer

even simple preliminary questions, is clear proof of the charge. No defense

whatsoever was offered by the grievant on this point, justifying the Company

action on this ground alone.

Ferrie took the position that the Company had no right to require him to

cooperate in that investigation.

In making this contention he relies on

Section 29-A-(4) of the Agreement. According to Ferrie, the Company must

first take some action and then, at the first step hearing, he could be

required, for the first time, to offer some explanation or be required to

cooperate with the Company's investigation.

A brief example in another contest should be sufficient to show the

absurdity of this contention. An aircraft may be severely damaged in a

landing and at least three possibilities exist (there are, of course, others)

as to the Captain's responsibility: (1) The Captain was a hero who saved

the lives of the passengers. (2) The Captain was caught in unusual

circumstances and neither contributed to the accident nor could he prevent it.

(3) The Captain was careless and caused the accident. According to Ferrie's

contention, in order to get the Captain's side of the story in order to

determine whether he was a hero, or a victim of circumstances or careless,

the Company must first discharge him and then discuss the matter with him

at the first step hearing.

Of course, Ferrie's interpretation is absurd.

The Company has an

absolute right to investigate and question an employee about things that

might affect his employee status. The employee must cooperate or lose his

employment. As every individual realizes, when you take a job you must give

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up a portion of your right of privacy or face the consequence of being

discharged.

This is the effect of the decision of Judge Kehoe in the

O'Neill case. (Co. Ex. 69.)

Ferrie, in his defense, relies on the Callaway decision of this System

Board of Adjustment. Ferrie interprets that decision as holding that,

regardless of his activities off the job, he cannot be discharged unless he

commits some wrongful act on the job.

There are many distinctions between the Ferrie case and the Callaway case.

The Callaway case involved only a single incident between two employees, known

to only one or two individuals who were not Eastern employees.

The Ferrie case involves practically a man's entire life history and

actions known to virtually a multitude of potential Eastern customers.

Certainly all the people in the New Crleans area with knowledge of Ferrie's

activities must have a distorted imprassion of Eastern's pilot personnel.

Can one conceive of the Espenans, the Taegars, the Landrys, or anyone

knowing even a portion of

the story patronizing Eastern, if they felt they

might have Ferrie as their captain on the flight?

Ferrie's relationship with his fellow employees must also be considered.

Could the pilot group at New Orleans feel any pride at being an Eastern pilot

if the standards for that position are so low as to include Ferrie? What

would be the reaction of newly hired copilots or flight attendants who would

have to work with and associate with Ferrie on flights? Would they have the

respect for him that must be given to the captain if flights are to operate

efficiently and safely? Indeed, would families in the New Orleans area permit

their daughters

to become Eastern flight attendants, knowing

that they might

well have to work with Ferrie?

The imagination boggles at the thought of the

letter

a new flight

attendant might write home. "Dear Mom: I have just had

my first flight and have met my first Eastern captain. His name is Captain

Ferrie, and he has had a most interesting background and past ..."

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Of course,

the most interesting letter would be the one "Dear Mom" would

fire off

to Mr. MacIntyre, explaining just why she had ordered her daughter

home.

Merely to pose the above questions is to supply the answers as to the

reasons why Ferrie's conduct requires the termination of his services with

Eastern.

The above discussion relates primarily to Grievance 48-63, the discharge

grievance. Grievance 15-63 was filed on January 17, 1963 and it alleged that

Eastern had violated Ferrie's rights by not restoring him to flight status as

of January 9, 1963. It should be noted that this grievance was filed on the

very date that Ferrie was originally scheduled to appear in Miami

to supply

information

to the Company regarding the charges of unlawful acts and other

improprieties. It is submitted that the primary and only purpose in filing

this grievance was to attempt to supply some sort of legitimate basis for

Ferrie's refusal to cooperate with the Company.

In any event, the Company had told Ferrie, by letter of September 6, 1961,

that it intended to wait until after the criminal charges were acted upon in

a final manner before deciding what action it should take. (Co. Ex. 59.)

Thus, he had written notice in 1961 that his suspension would continue after

the criminal charges were acted upon and until the final company action

should

be decided upon. His time limit started running in 1961, if he thought this

procedure was unfair.

When the Company received notice on January 10, 1963 that all the

criminal charges were at least temporarily out of court, it acted that same

day to set in motion the machinery for reaching a final decision.

(Co. Exo 65:) All delays thereafter ivere solely due to Ferrie.

Grievance 29-63 was filed by Ferrie on February 18, 1963, alleging four

grounds of complaint. The first was a refusal to "air original Grievance in

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accordance with Section 30." This apparently relates to the postponement of

the first step hearing in Grievance 15-63. However, this postponement was

agreed to by counsel for Eastern and Ferrie. (Co. Ex. 66.) The second ground

was refusal to provide "pilot with written specifications of reasons why he

is being held out of service." Ferrie had actually been told in writing twice

why he was suspended. (Co. Ex. 56, 57, 59.)

The third ground was an attempt to "compel Grievant to give testimony

prior to any scheduled Hearing." This apparently refers to the Company attempt

to have Ferrie come to Miami to offer any explanation he should choose to give

concerning the charges and allegations which had been made against him in

New Orleans. This ground, as already shown in this brief, is also without

merit.

The fourth ground was "othemise preventing him from exercising any of

his contractual rights, or complying with a Company request for an 'informal

hearing. ''' This charge was so vague the Company has no idea what it refers to.

In any event, both Grievance 15-63 and 29-63 could only call for a

monetary award, During the hearing, Mr. Gill, on behalf of Ferrie, waived all

nonetary damages and thus, in effect, waived Grievances 15-63 and 29-63.

(I. 210.)

CONCLUSION

On the evidence introduced at the hearings, the Board should and must

find that Grievances 15-63, 29-63 and 48-63 must be denied.

Respectfully submitted,

William G. Bell, JI.

September

9, 1963

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REPORI TO SUPT OF POLICE FROM JUVENILE BUREAU, NEW ORLEANS 8/18/61

subject: contributing to the delinquercy of a minor rasulting from the runaway

of Alexander landry, um, 15, of 5221 Arts St. The subject alleged to be contributing

1S awf bf 331 atherton, dr. metairie.

Patrolnan Fournier and Jonau met with mr. and mrs. landry and obtained the following

info:

0xXxxENA148X8x4x8 xxxxandrax on 8/2/61 Joung landry ran away and

was found 24 hours later in the company of duf. duf is commander of a cap unit.

landry was returned home by lawrence marsh. On 8/5/61 landry ran away again.

As of

8/17/61 he had not returned, parents called police on 8/16/61. parents expressed

lack of confidence in duf. since landry joined the cap he hasn't been the same.

My.

landry has investigated the cap unit and has notified the fbi that he does not believe

it has cap sanction. owf has loaned his car to landry and has taken the cap boys to

bars and bought them beers. the landrys furnished the following names:

richard

dumas, leo bevon, james landry, layton martens, john espenan, or espanan, lawrence

marsh and two unnamed friends in biloxi and corpus chiisti, texas.

Police contacted Dumas. he is 16 and lives at 2338 Madrid st.

Khas has bean in

• cap squadron for 2 mos. he has slept with duf and has had sex relations with him.

says duf is a hypnotist. dumas has seen duf put jim lardry under trance and tell him

to forget his girlfriend. duf told dumas he hates women.

duties

say landry with def

on 8/7/61 outside balter building in dui's car... they were waiting to pick up I. martens.

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Officere, learned that margers dis working for sas, sas's sea's, daney sallor, identitied

picture of landry and said he had been in office trice since 8/5/61 in the company

of dus, walker fla that duf and mantens had volunteered their services to sas.

Police contacted sas....he offeled to help.

8/17/61 is. I. recieved call fron landry in houston. Landrymuin says he'll return

if mother 1) allows squadron to continue 2) contact Eastern and help duf 3) contact

other parents

and tell them to withdraw anti-awf statements.

8/17/61 afternoon. sas called police says df had been informed of investigation.

sas has stat-ment from dff which says the landry came to him after running away from

home.

duf tried to make him return..and in fact drove him home but landry dan away

again because his father and grandfattyr planned to leat him. landry is afraid for his

dwg recieved phone call from landry in houston. duf told landry to came home.

says mrs. landry supervises boy badly.

Layton martins contacted, he is 19 says he sontimes stays with duf. his mother recently

moved and he doesn't know her address. he seldom stays with his family. o ficers could

get no further info.

Leo Bevon contacted, He 1s 16 lives at Lô Asalea dr Gretra. Is in squadron.

has

spent several night at duf's with other boys. denies knowing of duf's sex activities.

John Espenan contacted, he is ll lives at 2338 Dreaux st. he admits sleeping at

dul's. denies kriledge of sex activity.

Mrs. E, advised police her son has stayed out

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late at night after orders to come home early...was at dul's.

Mrs. Landry says Buthh (lawrence) marsh, 19, 4404 Majestic Oaks,

Les deeply involved

with duf but has recently broken away. marsh was the one who found landry on first

runaway occassion. marsh works with father in construction business. marsh told mrs.

I. the duf would only drop landry when he'd found someone else.

Nirs. I. says dits dul wint to landry's school and tried to chance landry's schedule.

The school called mrs. landry and said that the proposed schedule was too difficult.

police contacted dul; he denies kring doing anything wrong.

he questioned officers.

was interested in landry's welfare.

insisted he didn't know where landry was in houston.

said he was flying to houston that night "to see if 'I can find him and return him to

п.о."

Marsh contacted; he is 18. Says "all boys go to Ferrie when they run away from home.

denies ny knowledgeof dwf's sexual behavior. Has known duf for four years.

18/28/62:

sas c lled cops. says boy will rettrn if parents sign statement indicating

they'll not press charges against dwf. sas asked that statement be notorized. said

the boy will be calling him about 5pm and cops should be there.

Mrs. and mr. landry agrued to statement.

5:20pm cops went to sas office. landry has not called.

6:25pm Landry called.

sas told him to come over.

landry arrived at 6:45 was taken to juvenile bureau. met parents. showed no emotion.

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refused to make any statement against duf. said he was going to sue parants. said

he'd hitchhiked to Nississippi gulf coast on 8/5/61. returned to noo. 5 or 6 days

later.

spent 8/11-8/15 with dwf. hitch hiked to houston and staged for week in

rooming houses. called duf from airport on 8/17. hitch hiked back to n.o.

admitted dwf had taken cap boys to bar and bought them beers.

I zandey taken to touth study benter.

8/21/61 Landry said he'd been to cuba on several occassions sinee revolution. also

says American should vake up because russions are only 90 miles anay.

refused to says

when or with whom trips were taken.

assissant supt. of youth center says landry's case is similar to Albert Cheramie.

visitor's record book checked and shows Dr. D. Ferrie visited Cheramie on 8/4/60 at

cenfer. visit marked "not official" but acting as professional man seeing a platient.

Juvenile bureau ch ck shows Albert Cheramie handled for running away on 8/4/60. He

was found at dwf's.

Gops called dil on 8/22/61. asked is he had Dro's degree, was he treating anyone?

dwf stated he had degree in psychology and he gave advise.

dwf also admitted visiting

AC. but says he realized later that the visit was amistake.

of 5505 Marais St. Eric

is member of cap.

8/22/62 crouchet made a

statement: says duf committed act

of crime against nature with

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him on two separate occassions.

jefferson parish investigating.

crouchet corroboatted cheramie matter. said when ac ran away, he(crouchet) was told

to watch for him returning home and to bring him to duf. duf was going to send him to

corpus christi.

8/22/61: police search duf's apt...found no obscene literature. found a US. passport

in name of Fumes Albert Paul Cheramie dated 8/2/60 (showing birth as 9/6/43 and a picture

of cheramie who had run away on 7/9/60) dwf was questioned re passport.

said he

had it made up for cheramie so he and others could go to Honduras to nine.

Mr. Hughes Cheramie says he knew of passport

...didn't approve and had been trying to

get it back. police also found the statement mi. andmys. landry had given to sas.

duf booked on 8/22/61

James. landry contacted. he is 16, lives as 3006 Dumaine st.

says he has been served

whiskey and beer the awf's. says he has had sex relations with duf three times in 1961.

Eric Michael Crouchet made statement on 8/22/61: says he met duf thru cap in 1959 or 60.

went to lots of drinking parties at homes of cap friends and at dwf's.... says there was

always a great deal of drinking. says duf got him drunk on night and then had sexual

relations with him. within the nest two months this happened four more times.

says

dwf had shown him oscene books and pictures. duf has told him of a sex companion

of his in houston. says duf keeps books and pictures in his laboratory aboue his

garage. dwf has beaten him. dif has corrupted at least 20 other kanda. kids.

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the sqaaddron is badly conducted by duf.

Janes, landry made a statement on 8/23/62: says hue he met dif thru father who works

for eastern.. james was in sqaudron. says he went to drinking parties at duf's...

mostly stag. dif has show him obscene books and pitaarax pictures. says he has

seen al landry "high" at some of these parties. says he has slept at dwf's about 7 time

and has had sex relations with him.

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Juvealle Bureau

Aagust 18, 1981

J&em H8S0Y-61

Qnaet # I

Cr.Cx.

TO

& JOSEFH I. GIIRRUSSO

suporintandoet of Polloo

& BUN

1 WUCUST C. LANG, LIOUCODADE

Aotiog Cornaador, Jurenllo Bureaa

SỮ BI BOI:

contributiig to the dollaquensy ie. atigatlos, roaultlea froa

the runaway of Aloxandor Ladry

Tho subjoot alleged to ba contributlog 1s Davo Farrio, hu adult:

rosiding 351 Atborton Dii5o, In Metairio,

Puta Roland Fosraler and Charlos Jonan roport of havlag beon asaignad

BO a CABO 1aVOlVIeE a rUROWaY da VOdReSday August 18, 1981,

after boingt

so dicooted by Loa

sagust c. Lang, a38123 coanaados

1ea1l0 Burea.

LEvoaSLaGing Usidddra nOc P1uL Hro and Srs. Alerunder Landry at 5221 Artg

18 °% tho seo addrens.

who aso the pasents a runeway juvealle Alenandes Landry Jr. WM Ago

Fron lr. and Mrs. Laadry tha Lollouing Inforaation

On Angust &, 1901 Aloxandor Laadry raa avay froa bozo and

24 20959 latar, was tound at tho hono of cabù Davo Verrio, a pilot with.

Bastora 11r Liaos, mho residos at 331 Athortos Drivo 1a Motairlo, Iu., aad

mho oupresedely la Landsys ualt conaasdor with the Civll Mlr Paurol.

ung nad Mea. Loaday aaplalnod sheù them called Davo Jorria's residanoo to

aco 1i thair bog was thoro,.

and nas sold sy sons unldcascfiod soico thât

thals boy sas aet as ferrie's posidoneo.

Meo and birs. icndry atated that

ELIY RIdO EA1E IROL SO LAUPOROO MOPDL NI AJO 18 E ASDS MOjGStLC OaLA St..

Eho GûdÈC thai hO FOuid rOcIca Gheir son LanO, Maraca tosi ta tesrlo'g

soaddendo and 1ate8 sorurned dlia alozesdos banduy ãe.

On dagust 5, 1902 1l Landay ron cuay froa seno agajn, at thioh 81a9 his

DOFOIBO OGBIA SUADOCLOd tHAL CUDE JOPPLO WaS ASSIETILE UNE DOT IN D1O ORIOFES

tO OBaY auaY SI0N LenO. 19 OL BHO 1Nt4 98 JugKaS 1961, Labdry has a85 10-

Laraed 20no.

Mo Gứ Uô. LMIEY CHMОЗВL A L0CL C COLIJUOHOO LE MDE DaVO TOSIO.

TEOY SUGSCL THAS SLODO MOLE SOA JELECE SH0 G.A.L• SGE0Z0SC Ca25 10210,

Rat LO La0 aUvas buon SaO Dc0.

ACOOIdiag BO ME. ON NE. LOBdIJ'LL WiS

soazzed saes thoy me tias faz.

Beos chosle ca douccaiso 1i Forl0'g C1011

A1s Patrod gqudronlg aharôee lu Lommipm Clasa Aun Fousoi Eado, la bes

SONDA BRaÉ tRorO la 10 roDcrO dl Capo Forio's uslt la Deu

uz. ael

Hioso Lendry 10rth0s a8adeà

sas parouss os bas Boys da s0 c0uedo

PoR ano conodinoa abons gha vullalty el tho nalt and all sebl siad thour

sogs ano soû gonsang tho prosoribed sralaia3.

Tho Y.B.do was coslilod asoas

6a18 00.08°

Mno aul hos, Laudry stobod thos Dave reurdo hag tokes shelr

MI• LanlIo dBtEl LLad La pOReOROLly sau DovO Jesslo isto oovoral

8ã0 joreullo DEya dEtO a bar asd Louogo on Bcasdalo AroaIa 11 tals 0157.

Laâry dtated alao, that la bas personally obsarvca cevoral Joya ao

8ha beno el lorris ca sovaral occasloas.

Mr, end Mr3. Lesdng stato tha:

alnos tholy dey not lapt Yezzle, tha0 ho 2a1, oa noay osecalons, atayod

608 nat13 3 on 1 @ alo0k 1a to coraing.

Tha Lonarys saonod 1iv0sdigatim

802d cericarg 32a8

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Mr. Laadry furnished offleara with the names of two of their son's

§rleada 1n Bilozi sad Corpus Christs, Tosas. Radlograms more seat to bota:

locations on 815-51.

BI. Landry funlohod officora with tho following annes de boys wha

10O DaTOR IS AgO 10 01 10 AzaloS DEIVe MI Ao 19 addrosa unknona,

DOre la cha Squadron with thoir 80s:

Bichard Dunds iM Age 18 af 2333 ladrid,

in Grotna,

L6 Of 3003 Danaina 36., Layton Mariona

alleged to do living with ferrio, Joha Rapanan Wu Ago 15 of 2539 Droad Avo.,

aDd LANTOnDO MAraL IL AJO 18 DE 1101 Majestio labo.

Investigating. 0II1OGrE WORE to ShO DOSe of Richard DanaS VIl Ago 16

of 2333 Hedald 85o, Who told offloors that he was In the squadron for about

Riobard

atared that on about 2 ocoasions he slept at Cars Terriod:

LOU30., CRA SHAL On ODd OSCASiOn, ThOS LaYBOn LAStonS and AL Lady tOre

thats, ho (Dams) Blopt in tho sand ded with Capt forale, and that Capt

Forrlo nesturbated hig and aù tho anno tino ups forgia sagtarcased da:

Bama did not knos li Landry and Martons aitnossed to a05. Dess

tatod that cart forrie ald Enis to bla on a saturday 1a tha firat or socord

body of Jaly of this yoas.

hams statod that Cans Jorale vas a sypaotiat

(Lassy Bhas la should Logos his bird.

Tans Verrie sold Dungs that ho hated

# Landey,

Lagat 9, 1001 08

BhA 11 Lanûry man elee Jeon by the Balder Bullding da Today Ages: e, 1901.

A Baccas BiLL DO take Ima Deras es to Bao Sereodas bahavier sattor ana

vil Do tune Ear sO FOLLerasE Parian cathos1:le0.

Lio Heasy Sardonga has

alreedy been notirica or the atatenon: nade by Dmas.

ORESee 13 Sha Baltor Ballalaz for a sabco Organization Malalag Cubaa refugoos

la sho ourong cuban signatdon, mason so hocaes by use Anonade eala, ma

Basery boy,

aed she innediataly sionaliled his.

sho ataicd shas Al had

oiled on the necessivo doyd, muled she shought more a londay

• Inesdoy.

Bao aid not haow the laben shas sho sew durasy bud stato

Baas1e waa deflaataly aface energ 8, 1908..

she stated Bhat Landry ray la

Eho conrady di Dono Verilo on she suo oboealous.

Sils Ea3 after

ELd Loyios Mastora.

MinO BalLeD & inPosaation conanhas verifiod sto asate

boat aiis by fletard Danas.

XYCOB BOBARS MISDETA LOLE CLO •SILEO and 11983

contacted too said as tis

10S2A03E0 CIA NO OLIOTEL BO LOIN OffiOCE 100a30

800 had reneatorol coolna she boy la she estioo but dosia set

pamades tie daso.

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Pago-3 Iton E=8507-61

Astornatives.

• contiaued.....

lo that she allow tho aquadron to reorganizo

2o that sho contaot the

Airlises and esplain thle sattor

to hals Capt Ferrie, becauso he ras about to 1030

his job.

So that sho contaot the parents of the other boya aud

have them withdraw anything said about ferrio.

A3 LaLiTy 805

uho conversation short with bis nothar.

ablo to not any information croost tnad sha heard the operate sas

shat tha call was ocaing lIca hastos, Texas.

Investigating 011100Is

wont to the colophone conjany and they will attengt to lears tao

location of the dall In tourton. thoy hidi diao oneck cabla sade

fIca CaN Forrio's house to souton, lI any.

On the afternoda al sagust 17, 1982,

to walth called officors and

rogansted that to come to vis

1x. Salth explaled thas cant Torrie

It mes typed on a pieda da biain solld blue paper and will se catered

lan evidenco. In this statemat forgio stated

that Al Landgy some to

sia astor punnins away trog hono da dugust 5, 1061 dad that ho (Fesrio)

Madyised the boy to sosure tend.

Tha stateront al Jerrio ladicatos that.

ho(roario) drove al Landry book hero aed dropped Mla off as rilecre

s lûspord the some sighs

Al honday phoned tho captala and sold hia that ho had runaway fron

heng bobanno ho had soch his fathes sad bosedlather in the baatos mea

al told Cape Porrio that ha mas

arsald of his lito Docauso the faciay had

Shroatened

his barc?o,

aSCarCADE tO thO statezant or F0s2j0.

no house, but Al saragca bocauso la fold that his parents mosla call

Dio possed.

Note?

aratenoats that attor sue daco o

So runaway, Al man doon 11 Parsio

baggany, mie daerodils sho slaborens pessonally grapared by Dave

Porrido

In gase s es the scatecone, fosalo ataiod that la resoivod a eall

tra louten, Tende, dad that la caulsed 8ha boy to g05g

DOSed sO dho captala dad Da bad tO havo sono DrotoOtion 250a tho

Boises maliang to appocaC to bu tithholding Information. Es statod

that la sonalia suaya all Cays luris, and thas his mottor jast

as salaaa

mabel 8h90 danton la alumna at lorrios rosidence.

It mag legends®

Contiauod.....

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Pago-4 Item H-8507-61

Invostigating officers attempted to Interview James Landry at 3006 Dumalne

Sou ld rotu.

out of tova on vacation., and 1í was not knovs wass ho

Aficosy spoka vich Leo Baron I Aga l6 of 40 Aralea Drive, Gratna.

no stated that he had spent soveral nichts at Davo Farrio houso alon

w1th many of the other boye in the squadroa.

ha stated that nasy of then

to alcop on the 810or.

He denied having any knowledga of ferrie

actinity.

fleers spase with doha Espanan l Ago 14 of 2338 Dreaus St..

ada tred glooplag a Dave Parrio House but delod hortag knowlodge as Davals

should have boen home at 10:00m1.

Investigating officors provently attempting to quebtion Butch Marach wa

Ase 19 of 44dh Majostle st.

Offleara

learned fros Mrs. Landry that this

Doy was leaply involved with sapt formlo at one timo and that ho ciaally

fron ferrie.

Butch maroon was rognonsible for finding her son

la presently working wich his lacher in tho constrictica

gotzen avay fron ferrie.

harach told Mrs. Landry that the caly ray hor

18 shen Ferrio finda soncone also and drops her son.

Kes. Landry explainad

he was wrong.

Mrs. Landry esplalrad Purchor that copt farrio mont do far aa to do to

hor son'a school and try to got his schodulo changed and that sencel

authorities called she and Mr. Landry dona to tho school.

The schoel

1uthor1t1os dell that the boy could nos noadlo ta sehcuule, propose

Ax, landry polated out that shia vas eno di the many rayo,

Investigazing afflcors contactos Days Ferrio.

He denied having dene any

thing

wrong.

Ho quastioned alficora in a offort to loam tos information

officers had aginae hin. lo vented so now 18 anyahlag sould bo done to

hia after cho boy das retaracd.

ho burped en the idoa that he ras

interested in the dog's wolfare and told that things one too tough sor the

boy at hens, and santed to know what mould be donn to the boy after his

Forrid lagistad thas ho didn & knou were tha boy was seagla

I housen bui stated that he moa flying to houston conicht, to see 1i I

cas find his and return hiu to Now Orloano®.

Investigatong eifleons centated Laureago Haroch la Age 18 of bios Majestle

Barach stated

they ran amy fion boss.

he denie having auy kaonledgo al Dave Perrie

bedavior 1a FOgard tO 30L0

Marach has know Portio for 1 years.

as approximatoly 3850r sageas 18, 1961,.

{3708015a8123 0891005 Foura103,

maoired a talogueno pull tom la, Arcaeha fron tha Jailos Basidingo N.

Arcacha guilt atated shat ho coald gas the boy bada fos ta, 1f se eccla

gos a signc. statomas iron tho parants andleasing shas thoy moald ao

press chargon agains David Ferrie. Li. Arabeha requested that ma have

Contraues.

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Page 5 Item H-8507-61

Continued... the statement froz Mr. and. Mrs. Landry notorisod.

Archacha suith statod that the boy

would be calling him at about 5:00PM

and requoated that Investigating officors be in his office at 207

Balding•

Offleors contacted Mr. and Krs, Landry and they agroad to

the statement after consulting with city attorney huller and

August LaRg,

acting commander of the juvenile Bureau.

vent to tha landry rasidanco and picked up fr. Landry,

Officers

who immediately

drovo to have the statement notorisod. A copy of this statement 15

atrached to this report.

At 5:20131

Investigating

In the Balter Ballding.

officers arrived

at Mr. Arcacha Smith 's offico

Mr. Saith stated that he had not heard

Al Landry as yet, but was

expacting his call. Officors showed snith a

copy of the statement and be noided his anza approval.

smith erpressed

his concerned again about what would happen to the Captain of the boy

was raturned.

At approximately 0:B5P,

the boy telephono the offico

chile officors ware sitting in the offico.

officers heare Mr.

3nith call

his dl and Ar. Smith told Al to cons

to the offico,

that ho suith ag

alene. Al Landry arrived in the offico about 20 minutes after the pheno

He stated im that he had coug iron the business area of Barronne

sort dericors took the boy area. the bullding.

just a few blocks away. shen asked why 1t took hia 20 minutos to

ho answered that he could not nake up his mind to giva hingel!

they would ture over the statanent sade by tho Landry farily, over to

agkad officers

his, which was done.

Investigating officars toss the boy to tho Juvenile sureau,

where his;

paronts wore waiting.

The boys mother was in tearg,

and he talked pust

hellar then for two wants.

sharing absolutely no exotion for his mother and father, aftor not

He rofused to make a statement agalnst David

becano vory

angry and arrogant whea Capt Fessio was discuased.

He statod that he

I1ked Cape Forria.

he told

his parenta that he was going to nako a chargo against theu.

In the prosaceo of Investigating officordono told his.

parents that he holped formic's attoroy prepare a suit againgt his ove

paranto.

mo boy had 7.00 dollara in eurronoy on him at the time.

stated to officora that ho lot hono with $52.00.

We, sed 1e9. Landry

Insisted that 1l had an 122.00 vaca ho loit hoso.

The boy cold a long

and erated chat he bitched hibed to

Ro rocurned to Now Orleone alter about 5 or 6 daya and veat so

Parale. Ho stated that ho spons Honday ead Tuedday August 14th and 158h

with coot ferrio and then hiton hilted to

Housten Taxes, thera he stayed

for anothor wook.

de dracod the nhou ho vag in How 0rleana

sith Cape

Fertso,

aftor soalag back fron lisassoipol, ha visited tho offico of lo

Arcacha salth in tho company of dapt Porrid. Noto:

This agals versiled

the gratements made by Blehard lanes and Naney walker,

horover thers is

sooduce Mass kalkar fols thas it was

Honday and Teesday August 7 and sch,

1951, however sho ras aou cortala.

mho boy dontinued by staring that ho ?0re

this cien on luosday night

August 15t and hitched hired to Moussen, Tezas,

whore he lived in cheap

rocing housea fer a vook.

no coated that ho called his parants fron

tho Acusses Airport.

Ho starea that no called Cani Terrao Iroa Houston

and loamed abous the investigation boing eonducted

and that no finally

lo?? Housten en the 17th of August and hitched hitca dach to law Orloans.

affiger absened that the boy

nes entronely clean and frosh locking,

naving lived as he statod fos two decks.

Tho boy was questioned about

continues.

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his trip to Houston. He stated that he crossed the Humy P. Long Bridge,

but did not go thru souma,

Ia.

The

routing

not cross the

river bridgo at

Now Orloans,.

1f trayeling by way of baton louge to louston. The boy was

questiorad about t is and ha could not give an explanation.

Tha boy

Matoly rafused to make a stateuent against sona David

ferrle, however ha

st did adult that capt ferrie took as many as 50 joys to Graci's lounges

on Honedale Avenue the establishment,

and bought them beer, while they were sitting on the

resturmant sido of

The boy told his father in the

presence of officers,

that he was going to make a charge against his father

or giving boar to a juvenile one

whilo pairting

the family home.

soy was extremely cold to his parants, and yet it is the opinion oi

Investigating officors that il landry cones iron as find

as homn as any

boy could ask for.

The boy was questioned further about his trip to

Houston, and he answered that he did not ramembar.

Iter the interrogation on Priday August 13ch

Al landry was taker

to the Youth Study Canter.

Üa Monday dugust 21

1961, Investigating officer

questioned hin further,

whild at the Cantor.

He rofused to nake a states

Ho stated that ha had been to cuba on soveral occasions since ene

ravolution and stated that Aneric: should wake up vecause the lussians are

90 miles away. He would not say

how he got to Cuba,

ho went,

he went with.

Ho again showed his unconcem for his parents.

discuesed d

Inrestigating offlea t, while at the louth study centerlastitution. io

landry's case with the

sesistant superintendent of the

recalled an Incident sinilar to thia case involving

a runaray boy.

The visitorig Record Book was checkad and on Page-82, the followne

antry was mado:

8/4 Albert Charemie

IT. D. Farrie 105-4535

704 Airlina Park

Bl7d.

Fatient.

Investirating officors observed in tho boot

NOT AN DEFICIAY, TISTE, Indicating

that Dr.

B. Partie on catta serpent,

cheramie,

acting as aproressional san seeing

h1s pationt.

juvenile boy, without authority' youth study Center policy,

baly be siened by parents of a 30% or d

professional people mo come

egularly to soe juveniles, are mo tirs' dubala pormissica to ase a juvenila

n a pressiona.

capacity.

Page-da of the Visitor's Record Book of the

Study Cantar was

photostated by the b of I, main tochnitiao

Iloyd lanstrt, and ill be entered in evidence.

ilbort Cherule was handled for runing asay fro hono

who was then living

at 704 Airlino

to abovo easo is a sinilar one to the ll landry rattar.

Investigating

offleors called David Ferrie on Auguot 21, 1951. Ho was astod

anathor ho had a Doetor's degras and was ho

but he gave advise.

whea coafronted with the fact that ne

visistad the Youth 3tudy Center

an Sobaso to vialt albert Cheranio, he

adsièted ho had, and stated that he realised he mado a mistako after going.

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Iten H08507-61

On Monday August 21, 1951, Investigating officers acquired,

VE. Alexander Landry,

the name ELe lichaal Crouchet M Aga

5505 haraig Sto

anothor nonber of the Civil Alr Patrol.

Officers

ent to spoak with rie at his job and ho agreed to eggo a statemant

of his taorledgo of Dave Ferrie.

Arranganents were nade to pick up

Erse at his homs on the noming of August 22, 1961, which was acco

plished.

Erict was takes to the East Bank Juvenile Bureau headquartery,

of jefferson Parish, vere he made a full typewritten statement in the

proscace of investigating officers and 3gt.

Richard Thompson, of the

Jefferson Parish

jurenile bureau.

Erick stated in his statement that

Dave Forrio comitted acts of crime against nature on him on two seperata

occasions. The Jefferson perish authorities have the original copy of

Crouchet's statement and are investigating the crime against nature

matter.

crouchot additionally told Investigating officera that Capt Ferria

masturbated him on 4

or 5 occasions, all of which occurred in jeflarson

Parish.

of having been given alcoholic beverages whim

at Capt Ferrie's house.

Crouchet made a statenent which corroborates the matter Involving

runaway Albert Charamio, which has boon reforred to repeatedly in this

Croucket said

that when Cherande ran away frcn home, that Capt

Instructed him (Chouchet) to waich Choranio's house to see 18

Chermanis would cona hens. Crouchet was Instruered by Cay Ferrie to

put charamle in a cab and send him to farries house.

secording to

Ferrio told his (Grouches) that he was golng to send Charanlo

to Corpus Christi, Taras.

In crouchat's statenini ho refera to nuneroun pleces of amgar

obseane literature and pictures, which was shown bie by Perrio, whit

as Farrio's house.

for adaitional Infornation, see the statement of Crouchet, shich 1g.

attached to this report.

At approzmasoly 10:302g

oi, sgu. Richard theapoon, bapudy Roch, and investigating orflesra

Tourica and donau, drove to 331 Athorton briya and predended terrie

mith the dearch vareas.

she entaro house was scarenes,

but ao obeseze

pletures vera round.

Offleor Fouraler foard en official United Statei

pangROSO 1a tAO bourocK of Daro Ferzie.

The pietzre la the

who ran away fron buno ch duiy &, 19c0 and was roparted to thi

unealla Darean.

Cho racorart date of lazunco Salato, was

suo desos before tumos unenthoriuca vials so ho Youth soudy Cento,

made fes Albast Charanteg

Invastigating officers conto

assed to hughed Grosanto, serber en Alboro who atased that he know

в да в са дов серена ся не.

to Choranto said tanù to

a boch Erylng to got the pastor bron fer a long tin.

Consired.

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ICH H06507-51

basing tha soarch of ferries rosidenco, Stu. Thonpeen joma & latter

Bagaon vy mi. and vas Alonendos landry, and this latter vas 1a an

anvalore, thieh was not roatnarted.

The cavalope was marked

"Cuban

Rovelicionary Denseratie Tont".

Offica. Fournier was shoun the letter

round by sgt. thomson, and it was Immediately ident lled a the raseren

urstic by the londay fontly, and turned ovor to li. Arcacha saith, toz

she purpose of setting their

son back.

Sto Bichard Thespecs

took Capt lorie Into custody and later booked hia

an cao tao Lin Jail with Orina Againt Naturo and Indecent Bobarlor vita

a surcallo.

Formle gave his nana ao David William Farrie Ago 43 o& 331

Atharton Delvo.

On August 23, 1951, Invoosigating officors queationed anothor noaber of

tho GirL AlE Patrol,

and beer maile at Ferrio's bouco.

so the matter of day Devla Formie nary Gold of Capt Vorrio shoving

him obacco pictures

of ma and tonca comiting the cou also.

Landry

stated that Davo Torrie ansturbated lie, while ha una da ferrios bed,

ponding the nigue.

Landey could nos renesbor the dard, bus stated

one t0r10 jerked him off about 3 idnos. Landry stated that these asti

oderred during the early tast of 2051.

Materent made by Landry will

soveral copios will bo retainod by

Do seat ta set. Done b0285t delors and sade par

of this report.

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Mr. C. J. Sirions

Miami

Se Jo Minissalo

KLams

Investigation Absolving EAL

Pilot in Suspected Gun Smuggling,

14 August 1959

COND DENTTAI

Oa 8/13/59 Customs Agents E. Langlord and J. Vandiver appeared in

this office to report they had Phlot David Willam Ferrid placed

under surveillance since they had a tip that Ferrie may be involved

in a gun smuggling operation.

Their tip came fran the Pederal Bureau

of Investigation here when an Informant advised the FBI that he had

over heard a long distance telephone conversation between Ferrie and

a male in New Orleans regarding the handling of guns, use of tennia

shoes and rope and the apparent takeoff of an airplane aftar the

moon went donn.. Ferrie was transferred here temporarily fron New

Orleans and is staying at the Travelers Hotel, across the street

from the old bAl terminal.

After a 26 hour survedllance and background investigation, langford

called to notify us that Ferrie vas not involved In any nefarious

acts of wrongdoing The Custons Agent Investigators learned later

In the investigation that Ferrle, who is a scout leader, had been

Erjing to pronote transportation to south america with the Alr

Force Transportation Corps.

The conversation about the guns, tennis

shoes and rope was in reference to a proposed hike at the termination

of their proposed flight.

Captains John Halliburton and George Difg9, who had been notified

of the investigation, vore contacted to let then know that pilot

Ferrie was not involved in any aots of wrongcoing.

We also advised

proposed flight for his boy scouts.

Missessale

birector of Security

SJMs In

Ces IT. To E. Greighton

Capt. J. H. Halliburton

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NEW ORLEANS. LA.

Aprilli

The BANK OF NEW ORLEANS

Poor Clan Mende

TRUST

COMPANY

14-72

650

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PHIL LYNCH AIRCRAFT SALES, INC.

07 3223 01°

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sales, inc.

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Adminibration Bidy, Room 103, New Orlions Airport, M

NEW ORLEANS, LA. 70126

Mr.

Carlos Mordia

6909 Morle St.

Motairie, La.

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bein

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Carlos J. Merida

MIS LEA

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Carlos

Let mo tell you what you have don?.

for yours'lf in the

last fow days.

First of all you made a binding l°gal but verbal contract

with me

in front of witness's and asked me to give you help when you

hooded it and money when you needed it at a certain pric..

I responded

imm-diately and did what. you asked me to do, and after working 2 days,

at night and carly in the moring,

all of a sudden you don't need your

friend, his h'lp or mony. The price of the airplan? want up a

thousand dollars, now that the airplan? was placed in a saf®

spot and

you got what you

wanted.

second of all I got suspicious of your under-the-table

deal. whereby I had to put up all of the money in cash and all you had

to put up was a porsonal check-you said the man would got suspicious

if he got a Certified Check for the full amount-No man got suspicious

of a Certified Check-I called your bluff.

Carlos and I caught you lying-

vou were coine to make a separate deal of the

pric® of the airplan?

and put the cash-my cash-in your pocket and THIN want to split it down

the middel-you wouldn't put up any cash-just conversation,

whon it

came

time for von to keek your word and your part of the bargain-when it

came tim?

for you to out up your monay-you didn't and wouldn't.

wanted to do business in a busin'ss lik? fashion-I put up my cash-

you put up vour cash-you take it to the Bank (so that I would know.

You

would know and Doc would know it was a clean dal) hav? a Certified

Check

mad®.to. Doc and wo

would got a Notorized bill of sale, which

is strickly. good busin®ss.

When you wouldn't put up you cash money and were caught

in your own schem?-you becam? very indignant-your

best defens? mich-

contract and tried to shaft your friend and cut me out of the deal-

you broke your word, your trust lst and shot me out of the saddle-

You obviously thought more of the possible money you'd

make and breaking your word and trust,

than you did of a FRIENDSHIP.

I havt lost a long.

old friend and a pleasant friendship becaus?

you don't know how to honor your word-and I don't lik? that on?

are too Hard to come by

DAMN bit-not at all- Friends, bood friendare when it comes to some

and you can always toll who your friends

body keeping his word, verbal Contract, or Mon®y-

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Pag® 2

You placed money and your pride (in getting caught) abov?

3 frindship-8 yars-That's all right with you 1 guss,

Jav? 10

you did or triod to do to me-Maybe we never were frindly,

the only

"ason you cam? by

•very day was the sov°ral thousand dollara you've

nado off mo in the last yoar or so.

you say you'll bo there-you're still a boy-but

not a man-I never hav?

r anyon? "1s'

can you don him tour moon me capeline for day mistakes

down your fiNd of triends and resp"et of

but you sur? have narrowed

others. You'r? don? what

you have to do becaus? that's the only way you know how.

I hope you mak?

a lot of money,.

why you did what you did.

Don't blacken my doorway with your presenc? and I hop? I

never see you again at th? airport or Club and If I do-you'd better not

public thrats. on me, my life. or kids,

and stay from my

airplanes-In the past you have always made violent threats arainst

people you thought had don" you wrong and what you were going to do to

their airplan s

(sabatog?). That is a Federal & Civil offense as you know

and if you

ever want to becom? a US Citizen, don't consider what

always think about. It could be the mistak?

of your lif? and maybe som?-

body als?s.

•I hav® instructed all hangers to keep my aircraft lock?d,

r'port anyon" tampering with my airplan's, and ramp officers to k°°p

an

•ye on my. plan's.

Don't aur think about touching on? of my airplan's

or damaging one

Or trying to cost me any mony,

becaus?

what vou do may cost som®one

or removing anythinkees life-and dontt call me and

threaten me "Saving I'll never liv? to injoy it" etc.

And if yours?

rally smart, which you ar n't you'll kaop your shady business trans-

In short " what

believ? you'r? all paid up to this dat? 15 April 64.

what did you do with the brake lining you were suppos?d. to put on

on lik® I paid

you for. Things lik®

You didn't put a full set of lining hours of labor for I hour of work,

that, and the tim? you charged mo

made me always suspicious of any d'al I made with you. I paid you for

every hour you workod-Sur? I had to bargain lik? hell with you and you'd

add on hours you didn't work and I'd have to do my best to knock off what

I could but you always got what you ask?d for and wire happy with the check

you got, becaus? you choold cashed it and daily cam? back for more-

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Pag® 3

You also got lit°rally thousands of dollars of flying tim?

and it did not cost you on red cant

for free-tru? a lot of it may have

aen going back and forth from Moisant or up. to th Miss. but you always

got raid-not, what you wantod but I didn't always get what I wanted-many

à tim? I'd tak? my tim®

airplane and gas to got you an inspection so

you could feed your family-but you can, and did, kiss all of that goodby?,

jarlos.

Now as to what you originally asked me to keep quiet I kept

ny word-until you broke your word and trust first- then and then only did

I fly up to Doc and toll him I'd seon the 182 flying by the ranch-I asked

of the airplan® was and if he'd

and apologiz"a to you and offered you

ny mon?y-I told

that or frindship depended on his answer- H° told m?

there was not sales pric?

he hadn't

figured it out y?t and you'd never

decided on a price to spli

or to fix it up-so you lied again and I caught

you-but you brok? your trust first-not mo-and when you did I felt that rol-

from any promis? I mad®

you-besides I wasn't doing it for spit--I

tri?d

to say a frindship and also find out if you were lying as you

usually

do-I know tho

answer without ur being told. You romain®d tru?

to

form.

B°.

car'ful what vou say to my frinds and yours about how you

"shaft°d

b°caus?.

you'll only bo

nurting yours lf and d'grading

yours lf furth'r.

You'll mak? a few

bucks off the airplan? now that you

got me out of your deal-But it won't

bo that much-therers a lot mor? work

And then you hav? to soll it. Ther?'s

to consid°r.

But if and when you do s°ll it, and

you will, and the mon'

Who'11 be your noxt friend

you '11 doublo cross-where

will your next frind com® from?

What own?r

will you li° to

an t°ll it cost $8,000 to

repair when you know it only

costs

$2,000?

I know your

answ?r.

The Hell with it-I don't car that's

tha kind

of person you ar?-you don't

think of anybody but

vours?lf-

in business or at hom?,

or

at

afford you Carlos.

You

did

Play.

Go find another "FRI"ND" I can't

a

favor,

actually,

by cheating me or

trying

to ch"at me-I'v". got

money and you don't have it-I'm thankful

for that now-you could have

had m° for $4500 instead of a couple of Hundred

if I didn't find you trying

to ch"at m°-Fortunat®ly,

I was too smart for

that, by insisting on string you mon?y go with my mon?y in one chock to

th°

owner for the RAl sales price-which you backed out of-becaus? you knew

if Doc saw $7000 for his airplane herd keep it and you couldn't put

the

extra monty

in your pock"t.

didn't shaft me, you tried to

I'1l get it back-But you'll never hav" our friendship back.

which I really

Valut-If you don't bli?? it-look at the size of this letter-I wouldn't

ordinarily hav® wast?d my tim?-but I did-apparntly all I hav? ever been

doing with you is wasting me time with you- but you ar? what you are

Carlos and that's a damn sham®-

Adios

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IOGA

Mr. Carlos J. Merdia

6909 MºrIe

M°tairi®, La.

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Have fond to the

Gine Goon or one of

the bai on?

around the Pine Room.

He has aie in the

glove compatment. Hing up

Jong re

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All of the land maks that a

sentined are on our 62 aces, hovere

I couldn't fut them in spell apace?

don't

to the aupert!!'

get the ider that they intend

I just feashed my phigaics exan

harder, actually

made much

I don't think i did too.

badly. Te had some Velvidy problems but rose

dirplasses. The you wrete (hint

me the.

rame

Sue the mese thire tee

the plane. the.

used. thanks.

meet their.

I was glads d coull

Bre to a takes

Maria

Carmel Monitiate

Say 28,1966

Dean Darke

I guers you realize how much

I anyayed my ride in shy" specialty

ince it was

so as the arresed home I phosed

my Dad and told him. He was

nat argy in the least, just a little

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amazed! Thanks for revering the

flying spirit still is my bones.

My mother was gled to be back se

the ground nevertheless,

the mids

yerend of herself. that she ment

up

I told the fisters are hire that

there was a passiblit. theat I well

fly over.: sunday oftent they heard

a rather. low flying place while

eating denner. Someone mend sutride

and

ther. called the others, they

left ther dinner and went sitside

quest waning their napkins enfertion

ately it uran't 1.)

Them drising taw I recorded

the

mileage

from the...

Fidell airport

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1966

De. Dare Ferrie

3320 Laudin Are Okey

Heir Cerleans,

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ARCACHA, Sergio...former N.C. representati e of FRD (Frente Revolucionario Decoratico)

a CIA founred orgarization. U.S. ston ed payments

{cr it c. June 1961.

Formerly had office in Balter Bldg. Arcacha lived

in Lake Vista and

later in Parchester. Last adoress ir Houston, Texas. Good business

man and dislomat.

BRINGDIER (Ist name ?) former Hava a atty. Emnleyme:

in New Orleans unhnown. Youngish

educated, bt not smart. areener

practicalard given to soor

handling of reality and truth.

CROESTES (Last name ?) oner or onerator of Habana uni,:

Decatur

street. Icungist,

competent. W culd like to heln. Prina y concerns: maling money

and staying out. of trcuble. Proba ly would noù return to Cuba

even

if Castro left. His bar sort of e meeting noce

for many elements.

He would give money, clothing and food.

"e new arrivals but not

for long. Wanted them on their owr sion.

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Mr. Arcachar.

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1 Guatemalan Information says that the proposal of citizenship was

rejected by Carlos

for polltical reasons.

Date unknown.

2

Information from here indicates that Noll was hard up for money

(a) he charges the October 6 trio

b) for the Octobar 20 trip he: takes the ticket money from

Helms

"ropst, et al and pockets it and then charges

c) he is borrowing money, going intö debt etc AFTER Oct 31

In the period October 2e-31, Noll could NOT have talked or communic

with Carlos,

or given him a birth certificate because Carlos was

in hiding

9 2127214

There could

certificate to easies Do coer 20-20,

or presentation of this

because Carl Noll

is in

uatemala

5

The ONLY remaining period in which there could have been any

contact between Noll and Carlos is the period October 13-20

wheniNoll is in the States

6

Now

Rolling says the Birth Record was shown him October Xe 13

on the airplane retunning to the States.

7. Therefore any conversation between Carlos and Noll,

showing of any certificae had to be in the period October 13-20

8. BUT from the foreoing (# and #2 above) it is obvious that

no deal is consummated because Noll received and had no money.

THEREFORE the circumstances prove the if a conspiracy did exist

Carlos must have taken an effective action to stop it

NOTE: Information suggests that someone BESIDES Noll and Carlos

knew about this rejection in the period October 13-20.

NOW. Joe Marcello knows by 11:00 A.M. New Orleans time that

there is a stay of deportation granted in Washington. If there

was a conspiracy it certianly was abandoned at that

time. There is

NO OVERT ACt to complete the coppiracy.

There is NO presenting

by the parties concerned of this certificate to the Italian

Consull.

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129 Lake Forest Drive

Elberton, Georgi.

October 14, 1965

Father....There are you ?

I've become sore concerned, not having heard irom you or any

answer to my last letter of about threa pecks ago. Is every-

thing 0.K?

Am in Elberton at the above address. Have located a nice little

trio -bedroom house.

I thint the location is going to be perfect.

Harl the telephone installed today, number is (Area 404) 283-5022.

My mother mother will be living with me... and I contemplate be-

ing in this house at least until spring. I hope, by then, that

things are arranged - spiritually and finencially -- so that me

can make a down payment on the large property and move there.

Do send me a note... let me know that you are O.ko, or thatever

the score might be.

In Christ,

+GAH

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137 South Oliver Street

Elberton, Ga.

January 7, 1968

The Reverend David W. Ferrie

3530 Louisiana Avenue

New Orleans, La.

Father,

Needloss to say, I am more concerned and norried.

It has been

so long since word has coue from you; are you in the depths,

are you sick....or what 1s the problen ?

11lness, trgubles iith

o set my

mind at ease.

As you can see from the address, I hate left Atlenta, and au

in Elberton for a short period before going on to Andersar,

S.C.

In Anderson I will be Personnel Director for the local

hospital ( not Church affiliated, thank God ), but until I en

able to locate just the right place, mill live in Elberton. I

mant to take this move slon and easy... since me can not afford

to continue moving around and must carefully select our Canter

and once selected.... build and remain.

I feel Anderson affords many excellent opportunities for our

work. First of all, it is a medium size tom.... and in Just a

fen minutes one can be In the seculded country... also in just

45 minutes to Greenville... two hours to Atlanta, etc. Too, and

consistent with our rocation, it is in the heart of the textile

rorld offering all sorts of

jobs.......ordinary jobs among

ordinary neople.

I hope that it will be in this

area where ne

can finally establish our "nonastery" -- either in tom or on

the outskirts -- there a consunity life can be enjoyed, and

yot, nhere all whose rocation calls for it, can dally go into

secular nork.

But at this very present moment, the main thing is to get started

on the new job so there mill be a steady income..

•. and to build

from there.

I have had several letters fron John Nott. He, like myself, 1s

concerned that he has not heard from you. You made a most

majestic inpression on him ...

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Another thing is our relationshi, vit's each othor. Buch a

wooting would give all of you the chunce to know your brothers

on a personal basis rather than through corroopondence alone.

Thero is also the question of that to do with leshington. Shall

ve continuo on hore at St.. Basil's or shall we move to another

City° Thora 1s also the question of establiching a peassimeds..

Motherhouse - khich city la nose suitable? And the quastion

of finances and insas.

Regarding vocations: Sono tend to foel that ve ahould male an

all out effort to got voca:long while othors thias this choula

not bo stressed at the noment a: until to can nize our positions

an regards to fono and Constantinople.

Regarding Status: Sono feel that ua chould a that wa must - cor

tinue as a ChUnCil end an RIte while otners

feel that our preatest

future lios in identifying ourselves as a Roligious irovince and

Community within tust that Cho Holy Church described in the Creeds.

Whalo I have my oun dafinito thoughts on all of these things, I

do not wish to have my thoughts pressed on you - I vish only to

state WIll A VORS • one vote a an equal vote with your a what

shoula be done.

Therefore, I think it would do to our over all banefit to plan for

a Synod here in washington no later than the first saturdy and

Guaday in Septenber ( sooner 15 posuiblo).

FOP TECSE NEEDING FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO WAKE ITU JOURNEY TO

VASTUNGEON:

1o Imediately deteriano unat the espences will be

from your arca to lashington

(18 you will noed

part holp or full helpe 1f your nocd will be for

ond way or both rags, ote.

2. Let no knew imediately so that ve con budget for.

this

3. Fio othor person till know f as 12 1t nattored ba

tween brothers) who is recalving assistanco fron

the Hotherhouse.

4. Also, In your reply, five suggustins for dates

for the meeting, lie

will do all poscible to nake

It meet with the schedule of all.

5. Also Give the names and id ress and background of

any clergymon of another jurisdiction to non you

think we should eatend an invitation.

6. Excent for travel expense, thero will be to other

excenso since ve can accomodata all uf you at st.

Basil's louse.... plus sone of our guestsi

Let ne hour. fion you is soon as poscible.

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JULy 27. 2564

ArOu

& The Very Roverond and Reverend Fathers of the

Congrogation of the Donostic Missions and of

the English fite Province

; The Right Roverend George A. llyde.

Subject

"Synod

During the past yoor, I think, te have soen ourgreateat grouch,

not especially in numbers, but in foundation, in epiritual

We are nou at the point

thora all ci us shuuld nato every effort to be togother in

order to dis uss the paths no are takings to assist each other,

to toach ench other and to learn iron each other.

In the past, froquently, I have acted colo - havo spoken out

or have acted los ald of uo, somotimes even without your knot

lodge until tha deed was done.

Gracicusly you have alvags

confired these vords and actiono. I appreciato your truste

It 1s nocossary, lowever, that all of us have a voice a a

direct voico - 11 our Coumunity, that now as to approach the

very brink of ou future, that all of us be of one mind and

one accord • nure than ever before.

Our futuro is bright ( but the clouds aro still present) and

as our future is planned you, the individual membera, should

play a diroot hand in its fomulation.

Tuoro aso many thinga that I bavo done alono ... or that have

been exclusively of laghington • largely because we are not

procesly orgnized.

Let na nect togethor and change this ...

change it for tho betternont of the wholo of the Community.

Euch things to be diecussod are: the publ cution of magazines

and tracts; a dofinite missionary progran; training of candidates,

tha better foundation and formulation o? a comuunity of brothers,

cur rolatinnship ulth the see of Rono and also with the seeo of

Eastera Orthodoxy.

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PATRIAR

OR ANTIOCH, L. E.

BEATIUDE

DANNES ALARIA

PARISY FRAN

ventin

Order on

Sanit John

equise catholique apostolique pRimitive d'antioche

ORTHODOXE EL DE TRADITION SYRO-BIZANEINE

HIS BEATITUDE: MOST REV, SCR, MAR CHRISTORER MARIA - ARCHBISHOP,PRIMATE OF M. A.

Byzante

IN COMMUNICATION WITH H. H. POPE JOHN XXIII OF ROME

TO FURTHER CHURCH UNITY, SEDES UNIVERSALIS APOSTOLICA

Loly Catholic Annatolir Church

GOV. OF INDIA, ACT XXI OF 1860 A.D.

Catholic Church

Of The North-American Rite

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ABOUT THE SEMINARY

(1)

This was a religious order known as the Precious Blood Fathers.

Members did not

Instead they were bound by what is

called Promises of Obedience.

(2) I hava some serious theodogical differencos of opinion. At that

time they were considered almost heresy. Today they are considered

pretty good since Pope John. XXIII:

I do not believe that the present state

Philosophy

is such that ti

can be

gaid that

"Logical propositions must compel Intellectual

assent".

(b) I do not beliove that orthodoxy can be used

as a hammer against those with whom you digagree.

(3) I went to the Superior,

Father Joseph Marling, now Biahop

Marling and disoussed it with him and asked him to release

me from my Promises of Obedience.

That is all there 1s to this.

Nobody else could say a thing about it.

(4) The man who was rector at the time,

Father Rohling, was mad

at me for going over his hoad to Father Marling who was his

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T. OTTO NALL.. PRESIDENT

LESTER A. WELLIVER, VICE-PRESIDENT

FREDERICK E. MASER. VICE PRESIDENT

EMORY BUCKE, VICE PRESIDENT

ASSOCIATION OF METHODIST HISTORICAL SOCIETIES

ELMER T. CLARK. ExECUTIVE SECRETARY

LAKE JUNALUSKA, NORTH CAROLINA

December 6, 1962

DOUGLAS CHANDLER. VICE PRES

LAWRENCE SHERWOOD.

JR..

VICE

PRESIDENT

J. B

CAIN. VICE PRESIDENT

MRS. LOUISE STAHL, TREASURER

Dr. David F: Ferrie

1707 Pere Marquette

New Orleans, Louisiana

Dear Sir:

With reference to our telephone conversation, I am sending you a copy

of some pages from a booklet sent to me in 1950 by Carmel Henry

Carfora of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.

This

lists the succession of bishops since the early seventeenth century by

which Carfora claimed valid orders, information about Berghes, and

the rites and ceremonies of his Church.

This seems to indicate that

the ritual by. which he was ordained was in Latin, although this is not

definitely stated.

You will note the statement the

"conforms

strictly to the prescriptions of the Pontificale, Missale, and Ritual

Romanum. "

The Yearbook of American Churches lists as the present Metropolitan

Primate of the body the Most Rev. Cyrus Starkey, 32 East 3rd Street,

Moorestown, New Jersey, and the Chancellor as

the Most Rev. John

E. Schweikert, 3153 West 6lst Street, Chicago,

Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Encyclopedia

Britannica, and Catholic Encyclopedia add nothing of significance,

but

my set of the last named is the 1911 edition and there may be a later.

This whole Old Catholic movement in this country is interesting,

especially the activity of Villatte, but I do not think it has any significance.

Villatte scattered his orders all over the place and I visited some of

his Negro bishops in Harlem several years ago.

Please call on me if I can serve you further.

Fategnally yours,

timeters

Elmer T. Clark ?.

ETC :15

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Attidue of Mike Crouchet toward & ptain Ferrie during 1961, can

be best described as Captain FErrie being in Mike's way. Here

is the reason. First Mike was not part of the indépendent

squadron Captain Ferrie had. He resented this. Second, Captain

Ferrie had

a bad experience with Mike when he was trying to

tutor Mike in mathematics and English.

Mrs. Landryh called Mike and asked him to talk with her about

"throw a scare into Captain Ferrie"

sadd she was going to call the police and have them

scare him.

She wanted Mike's help. Mike was not too keen on this idea.

Mrs. Landry said there would be no real involvement.

She & just

wanted a little hepp from Mike and to have

Mike talk to the

police. Mike tentatively agreed.

then, on a Monday, Mrs. Landry. calle

Mike and said some police

would come and see Mike where he worked at Puglia's food stoore.

She said she had provided them with some information. She said

all Mike would have to do is agree that the information was

correct.

Mike had some doubts about this and called his father.

His father said to leave it strictly alone. However, a little

later the police walked into the store to

talk. Mike

the police he wanted to talk bo

his father first. authen told

police said they would come by his house at 8:00 A.M. the

That night Mike talked to his father. His father said he

wanted to talk to the policemen himself.

At 7:00 A.M. the next morning the policeman, Fournier and

Jonau came

to the door. Mike answered the door. He told

the police his father wanted to

talk to them. They said

never mind they would talk to the father later. Then Mike was

carted off to the East Bank jail. There they let him sit for a lo

time worrying. Then they called him in to an office.

They had

a typewritten paper and started talking from that. Mike said

to anything they wanted provided they were not

going to hold him or areest him or make any trable for him.

They said ok. just sign

the paper and you can go. Mike signed

and left. He was told that would be the end to the whole matter.

It No Nepister Landy

In January 1962 Mike suddenly realized that there was no end

to the

taken to the office an of

an Assistant D.A. named Thalheim Here he and Jimmie Landry

All Thalheim seemed Interested in was a date on

"acts" were committed. Then Thalheim suddenly

that he needed Captain Ferrie flight schedule

becausehe might pick out a date when Ferrie was out of town.

so he sent Landry and Crouchet home. A few days later he

picked them up again.

the boys what dates they

would have to testify to and let them go.

Then came the first: trial. Ferrie was found Not Guilty, Mrs.

Landry immediately called a meeting of Landry

and Mike

that everybody wojld have to act fast now. It looked to

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her as though Ferrie was about to bereinstated. In that case he

would get his back pay and then be able to sue

everybody and take

away their cars, houses and everything. So she said everyboyd would

have to agree to stick together and prevent him from getting his

job back.

So everyboyd agreed that we would have to protect

themselves.

Mike then left for service still worrying abouta a lawsuit.

A Mr. Scheuering came to see him while in camp in Arkansas.

He asked Mike if he would withdraw the charges. Mike pad said

he could not. He felt if he did withdraw them that Furnier

and finally

Then he was transferred to Georgia. While there a Mr. Brownlee

came to see him. Again Mike declined to do anything fearing the

police, Mrs. Landry

and Captain Ferrie. After Brownlee left

he telephoned his father who telephoned Thalheim.

Since this

conversation was unsatisfactory the father advised that Mike

could do wlatever he plas

Then Mike told his story to an officer

who said that the cops

could not get him for perjury since he

had signed no affidavit. He doub ed Captain Ferrie would sue.

He felt the best thing was to come forward and tell the story.

On returning to New Orleans in September 1962 Mrs. Landry

advised him to stick to his guns otherwise everybody would

be sued and lose their homes. Mike thought differenyl and went

to the District Attorney and

told his

story. On the strength

of that the charges were dismissed.

Then Mike tried to tell the straight story to Eastern Air Lines

in the persons of George Grienr,. Bill Bell and Don Landry.

They did not listen and would not listen.

Later he was approached by someone reprenting themselves

as agents of Eastern Air Lines offering help in getting a job

and other é benefits if he would stick to his original

story

and try to hang captain Ferrie. He was told it would go hard

with him if he @ continue

to exoneerate Captain F rrie:

He was also told that he was liable to a lawsuit if he told the

truth and as a result Captain Ferrie were exonerated.

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Dear Bishop Hyde,

It was nice to talk to you again by

telephone. However, I was again distressed to

learn of

your health condition. I do wish that you would take care

of yourself. Of course, the strain of what our mutual

acquaintance is doing is aggravating enough in iteelf

without the added burden of 111 health. I shall continue

to remebber you in all my prayers that you speedily

recover.

As I indicated to you, several telephone

calls have been received in New

Orleans. Primarily; in

so faras I can learn, these calls were directed to

Mr. Banister or to Mr. Gill. There may have been calls

to others. I do not know. Would you know anything on this

As I told you Mr. Banister telephoned

virgil pterson, who is the director of the Crime

Commission for Chicago. Mr. Peterson had received a visit

our friend and a

Fr. Mario Vites, Vieties,

or veritas.

This priest was supposed to be rector

of st. Hilary's in

philadelphia. However, the most thorough search failed

to reveal any such name or any such church.

The.

story relaying their experiences was

this. They had apparently gone to either the States Attorney

or the Attorney General for Illinois trying to have Arch-

bishop Marchenna, Bishop Fairfield (never heard of him)

and a Bishop Brown (never heard of him either) all declared

phonies and frauds. However,

they were advised, so lt is

reported' quo warranto".

that their only recourse was in civil court by

Quo warranto is a procedure

for settling family disputes, so to speak, within orgabizations

In obher words, the Chicago authorities could not assist

our acquaintance and his companion in whatever it was

that

they hoped to accomplish.

a phony and a fraud. The charges are typical efore.

Allegedly you were described as also being

are they not?

Seems as though we have heard

this somewnere.

Then

the usual homosexual inferences were made,

to make

sure

that the pattern ran true to form. Why, oh why,

is that

they only thing these people can think

of? Of

course it

is the worst kind of smear and It is identical with that

used by the Communists?

I wonder if

the reason for using

that type of smear does not have a psychological explanation?

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I believe I spake too soon on the verifaxing since the

originals are all currently on file in proceedings before the

Eastern Air Lines Boara. 1 aid fing a copy of a verifixed

affidavit which I have enclosed. W

uld you return it when you

have studied it?

Here are the so-called charges and their refutation:

Criminal homosexual charges

alleging

one Eric Crouchet

as the .'

victim"

Crouchet denies it and has

so testified.

That I was under psychiatric

treatment by a Dr. A.K.

Gardner.

Dr. Bardner turns out to be a

female psychologist who never

heard of me and

is threatening

suit because her name was used.

That I was kicked out of st.

Charles for emotional in-

stability.

St. Charles says it was for

"brashness and

diaagreements" theological

That I failed, in the employment

aplication

blank to state I

had once been

employed by

Rocky River High School

They claim they never heard

of me.

That I belonged to a gang of

delinquents called the

"Omnipotents"

Nobody ever heard of them

That I was

the Church

excommunicated from

We know all about this one

That I help kids run away from

home

The named Individuals

are

adult;

whe

testified it

wasn't so.

That the American Medical Assoc.

The Association claims it never

threatened me with prosecution

heard of me much less had a

for practising medicine without complaint about me.

a license

That. I once gave a speech attacking

the Eisenhower administration

I sure did.

This will give you an Idea of what I have had to contend

with. The criminal charges were promptly dropped like a hot

potato once the so-called State Witness found out about it and

raised hob with the District Attorney. But, the damaged they

Intended to do had been done. This is

an important point because

11 the same pattern is directed at you there will be total

destruction of your reputation.

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Spoke with Bishop Hyde at approx. 8:30 P.M. our time.

(1) Read article over phone to me from

Washington EVening Star

about his church work and some sort of mission to military.

Basilians not mentioned.

(2) Denies any adverse publicity or that police were on nim.

Claims excellent relations with juvenile courts in

straightening out marriages etc.

Says Martin called him and had a Fr. Mario (no last name

mentioned) on the extension. A voice verified it was Fr. Mario.

Martin blamed Hyde for kicking: him out of the Church in

Washington.

Martin blamed Hyde because some police

come to his motel room at Kankakee and searched his baggages

Blamed Hyde for having him run out of Kankakee by both

the bishops and the police. Told Hyde he could get

no where in Chicago and blamed that on him too.

(4). A fewdays later phoned from Moorestown N.J. where he

said he was at home of Archbishop Starkey who heads

the North American Old Roman CAtholic Church - an apparntly

legitimate body and they are in vear book of American Churches.

Said he did not want to come to Washington because he was

afraid Hyde would call cops on him. Then tried to show

how he was a friend of Hyde. Said he torpedoed a meeting

at Kanakakee to protect Hyde since the bunch in Kankakee

were all phonies and frauds. Said it would be best for Hyde

to help him out with Starkey. Martin and this Fr. Mari

referred to Marchena as

"Mister"

saying he was anigger

fradd. Marchena is supposed to be Spanish.

(5) Hydd received an unisgned post card from Chicago threatening

Hyde. He said i

this

card that Hyde should leave him

alone

and stop obstructing him otherwise dire things

would follow. Hyde says he went to Post Office people about

(6) Martin is publishing that Hyde is no good because he

associated

with Ferrie. Martin claimed that Bell told him ferrie took

plane from Miami and went to Washington where he

is now.

Martin demanded to tak to Ferrie on phone.

(7) In his contact with people at Kankakee they told a similar

story. Hyde.

says

and denied that anyone from Eastern

FAA or

anywhere else was there. Did say that Kankakee police

were there at Marchena's request to run Martin out of town.

"S) Feels most of the venom directa at him. Ferrie brought in

nly to discredit Hyde. If anyone from Eastern shows up

de will not know a thing and will turn them out, he says.

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Not only is our rightsto be free from unreasonable searches

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RIGHT REVEREND GEORGE A. HYDE

1657 PARK ROAD, NORTH WEST

WASHINGTON, D. C. 20010

3-24-65

Father,

Just a short note.

Continuing with the Rule and Constitution.

with dohn.... and work on the Study Group.

Good! keep going

Letter from Rome..... via Doug both Abp. Hakim and Abp. Edelby

send this message

"keep strong... it will not be much longer."

Doug also writes: " you and your nork are not unknown here.

Many have asked

me about you - two very high prelates,

es-

recially - but all want more details. Had to make a decision

as to who would get the one copy of the criterion.... the tho

bishop, Hakim, Edelby or any one of the several dozen others

It to Hakim, so please send me more. "

I think Doug will be with us this summer.

Members of the Society? From week to week it changes... or

seems to.

Fr. Stephen

is presently here....he wes ence my assistant

in NY.... he is not a lember... but is simply assisting me here.

He departs, I believe, on Eastery Monday.

Oslove:

Bro. Albert is a member, but his health is such that he is

considered retired. He is living now in New Jersey.

Francis

is in South Africa. He is a Member but....is so far away. I

wish we had the money to bring him here.

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As to the others...

.. the one priest, Father Seal works for

John Deer Tractor

and is constantly traveling.

He fell into

such

debt as the result of the persecutios of Marchenna, that

he is not presently able to stay in one place. So at present

-as he travels - he maintains liter-ture racks and calls on those

verious people

in all parts of the country who write to us.

In Tuscon...Fr. Demand just got tired of waiting... and with the

Fairbanks-Marchenna mess, gave up completely. I have no idea of

his present address

The others.......and there were several.... have refused to even

conmunicate....so well did Fairbanks seed their minds with hate.

I continue to mite to them.....and I assume the addresses are

correct.... but I don't knoir.

Those we are sure of.

•are: you, Gilboy,

Francis and myself.

No others will commit themselves, now, until things are settled.

This is what hurts...as I have said befor.... to see a well-

founded group ( several years ngo) go to such a small number.

Some are deadwood, yes,

but not all..

•some just do not have

that extra bit of patience.

Immediately after Laster...I MUST get to New Orleans.

Will be in Chicago in lay -- don't knew if I will see Brown or

old tricks ?

Suddentil see others, nhile there.

he stopped writing. I wonder if Pyle is up to

Finally, if - by the tine I get to NO - there is no real promising

nork.....would you consider

Washington? It is very evident hat

we are going to have to start almost from scratch.

100, if the

Jubille article produces any results, we will need a novice

master here.

I can manage the finances, I think, via the hospital,

but need someone I can trust to be the actual, active priest.

More later

-1001

Liras

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No.03-0103 American Office (United), World's Union of Eucharistic Bishops.

ST. PETER THE APOSTLE

108 PATRIARCH, 38 A. D.

Byzantine

Primitive Catholir Churrk

Did Cathali Church in N. A.

APOSTOLIC, ORTHODOX, CATHOLIC

Order of Saint John

Instrument of the Consecratton

of the Most Reverend

FRANCIS MARIA D. W. FERRIE, O.S.J.

On the Epiarmpate

In the Name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity, Amen.

Holo the Most Reu. Magro Mar Christopher Maria, C. J. Stanley, D.D., O.S.J.

Archbishop Prinate, Exarch of American Holy Catholic See of Antioch, upon this

30th

day of November Al96s Anno Domino, assisted by other Bishops,

Lords:

JOHN MARIA SIS. MARTIN ANd CYRIL T: OMARRA

and Priests, by Our Holy Orders of Apostolic Succession, after involking

the Presence of the Living Holy Shost,, upon Holy Election, according to

the Holy Rite prescribed in the Holy Roman Pontifical, Consecrated the

Most Reverend Francis Marla De We Perrie? with the Holy Oils to the

Episcopal dignity under the title if an Old Catholic

MISSIONARY BISHOP

with the Holy Apostolic power to perform all functions appertaining to

such Office in the Holy Old Roman Catholic Church.

HOOLINE

LARCHATE

711

Prestoshes

Consignatus in Tabulis Patriarchae

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Instrument of the Conaecration

of the Most Reverend

FRANCIS MARIA D. W. FERRIE, O.S.J.

On the Epiaropate

In the Name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity, Amen.

Hol. the Most Reu, Magro Mar Christopher Maria, C. Jo Stanley, D.D., O.5.J.

Archbishop Primate, Exarch of America, Holy Catholic See of Antioch, upon this

30th

day of November

Ấy qời Anno Domino, assisted by other Bishops,

Lords:

JOHN MARIA J.

S. MARTIN ahd CYRIL I: OMARRA

and Priests, by Our Holy Ordera of Apostolic, Succession, after involking

the Presence of the Living Holy Ghost, monitoly Election, according to

the Holy Rite prescribed in the Holy Roman Pontifical, Consecrated the

the Holy Rite prescribed in the holy Roman Pontifical, Consecrated the

Most Reverend Francis Marla PaW Perrier) with the Holy Oils to the

Episcopal dignity unden the title Of an Old Catholic

MISSIONARY BISHOP

with the Holy Apostolic power to perform all functions appertaining to

such Office in the Holy Old Roman Catholic Church.

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HIS BEATINUOS

JOANNES MÁRIA

PARIS, FRANCE

Liyeuntine

Order of Saint John

eGlise cathetique apestonate pemmitie d'antioche

BULL OF BXCONMUNICATION

HIS BEATITUDE : MOST REV:

MSER. MAR CHESSURGER MARIA - ARCHBISHOP PRIMATE OF N. A.

Wes.

Mar Christopher Marla C.J. Stanley, APenbishop, Primate of 2la

North American do

erepy depose, suspend, degrades excommunicate:

IN COMMUNICATION WITHH. H. POPE JOHN XXIII OF ROME

and declare anatrema

who

were formerly bishops of this church for the reason that the nad

attempted to receive Holy Consecration to the episcopate in vio1-

Lantair

lation.

ant bastolir

Canons of

Chuff church since

they made false and ljing ellins and suatements in order to fraul-

ulently obtain sa atmr church

we warn all bishops and re-

lates everywhere terraglashhhem caruns and turn them out: Jack

¿as. Martin, Victor i Serirp, Guy w..

Banister, Thomas Dooling,

W1l11am G. Bell Jr

and Thomas Becham. Amen.

GIVEN under our hand and seal or

pnegarchiepiscopal residence at

Louisville Kentucky

pis roirth

of January in the year of our

Lord 1962 Amen.

Archolshop-Primate of N.A.

Byzantine

Primtive Ortho-

dox. Church,

Catholic

and the Holg

Apostolic

Church of N.A.

OF AMERICA

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137 Saith Oliver Street

Elberton, Ga.

Father,

Received your letter just after I had returnad frou

mailing one to you.

Truly, I can understand -- It is no easy job

making a living, being a priest, and & thousand

other things.

I sa anxlously looking for the day then you can

leare New Orleans and me can be together.

many of us, and it will be, I knon.

As you knon, now, I have left Atlanta...

secular work was good... renarding and satisfy-

ing.... but the ner job is going to be even more-

80.0

Nory a nord fron Stanley, Fairbanks, Martin et a1,

and I think the stillness comes from tho sources.

One, Walter Brom has taken Pyle under his wing

again - insurance, more than anything

else (i"

they be with us, hor can they be against us i and

I think he, in turn, has given the nord to his

pal TAF to lay off.

Stanley...? He is so in-

solved in establishing new churches that he has

no time for us = the latest body is the Alexandrian,

North American Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic

Churcho Martin 1. Not a nord in ages.

Protective wall ...? While in AtJanta I conculted

with an Attorney

even a mhisper comes fron their quarters.

is aften used to stop a fire fron spreading..

and so....I will use it.

Do continue to keep in tock.

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THE SOCIETY OF DOMESTIC MISSIONARIES

OF ST. BASIL THE GREAT

The Worker-Clerics of St. Basil

Byzantine Congregation of

The Domestic Missions

In reply address:

255 Vedado Fiay, N.E.

Atlanta, Georgia

November 24, 1955

The Reverend David 5, Ferrie

3330 Louisiana Avenue

New Cleans, La.

"Dear Father,

At Long last the 'wandering' seems to be over --July, August,

September and Cotoker!

After much looking around; much unsettled

mirid, I have taken a house in Atlanta and hope that from here our

work can once more be put on a firm and active foundation.

The house is nice.

On a street of 'middle class' houses. and not

too far fron

domtorn Atlanta.

There are three bedrooms, living

room, dining room, etc.

large-fenced back jard!

the room- just off the living room and connected by french doors

will make

a wonderful "house chapel'

apparently those certain fen who seek to destroy me do not knor I

an here.

Bishop Brow wrote that he did have a long, nutty letter

from Fairbanks.

We nor wonder hom Fairbanks knew I had been to

Kankakee.

But, all of that is over an done with.

by Fairbanks. or anyone else vill be met with in the most firm,

manner!

An old school mate of mine is an attorney here and he has

offered to take care of any such.

Have you read the book "Bishop's at Large"? Interesting. Especially

the section of Alexander Turner.

he who acted so high

and mighty

with us - who said me are not

"orthodox in the true sense." He hon

learn that he was a Liberal Catholic priest and in the bool: is mentiond

as a strange person.

I do hope you will plan on coming to Atlanta.

Gwise I do not think

there will be any trouble at all! Atlanta nor has one million paonle

....and serving them are: one Angic-Catholic parish,

17 RO parishes,

one Greek Orthodox, one Syrian Orthodox, one lelkite-fatholic and one

Maronite Catholic.

There is, indeed, room for us?

I don't havela pphnne jet --- perhaps by next meek!

Do Trite,

In Christ

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