Agency: FBI
Originator: FBI
From: SAC, MM
Document date: 12/6/78
Document type: PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

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TITLE:

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DATE: 12/06/1978

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SEE FBI 89-43-10398

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

12/11/78

Date of transcription

THOMAS. HOLI appeared at the office of the

Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI); 3801 Biscayne Boulevara,

Miami, Florida, where he was interviewed by Special Agents PETER B.

SCHOPPERLE aNd DON J. DUMFORD, FBI: Prior to the interview,

Special Agent (SA) SCHOPPERLE had explained to Mr. HOLT that the

Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was desirous of knowing.

any information concerning remarks made by one FRANK STURGIS in

his presence concerning the assassination of President JOHN F.

KENNEDY at Dallas, Texas:

HOLT advised that he is not that well acquainted with

FRANK STURGIS, but that he met him approximately. one year ago

at a party given at Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

He stated that

he was introduced to STURGIS by a friend of his, BILLY JOHNSON.

HOLT advised that at this party STURGIS had told him that he

had been a hit man for FIDEL CASTRO, and that both CASTRO and

he (STURGIS) had both worked for the Central Intelligence Agency

(CIA) •

At this point in the interview, HOLT stated. that

ROCKEFELLER, meaning NELSON ROCKEFELLER, had been in charge of

the Warren Commission, and that it had been a cover up as far

as the assassination of KENNEDY was concerned. HOLT next stated

that the "hit" was done in Texas to make it look like JOHNSON

(President LYNDON JOHNSON) was at fault.

HOLT stated that he believed BILLY JOHNSON may have

told STURGIS to say the above things, just to impress HOLT.

HOLT next stated that while at this party, STURdIS

had named many people whom he stated were "big", and that he

knew these people:

HOLT stated that he thinks STURGIS may

have killed KENNEDY because STURGIS had said that he could

"shoot a person's brains out at 1,000 yards with a simple

rifle and imagine what I could do with a scope.".

HOLT next

stated that if STURGIS had made these comments to him concernino

the assassination of KENNEDY he was sure that he had probably

told them to other people.

HOLT stated that STURGIS was a man

approximately 50 years old. HOLT next. stated that he advised

BILL JOHNSON had worked as an informant for the FBI, CIA and.

Investigation on

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Miami, Florida

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DON J. DUMFORD

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Miami 89-35

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This document contains. neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency;

it and its contents are not'to be distributed outside your agency.

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DEA He stated that he

knew BILL JOHNSON on and off for

couple of years;

and that JoHnson was in his late forties

He further described him as a flim flam man who likes

to try to swindle money from wealthy women

Hort advised that in cegards to the

remark made by

STURGIS it was during the latter part of the summer that he

was on Biscayne Boulevard, at approxiately 125th Street near

Denny's Restaurant and-Steve's Pizza, when BILLY JOHNSON

drove up in his car accompanied by FRANK STURGIS, HOLT advised

that at this time BILLY JOHNSON told STURGIS thad he (HoLm

was a Boston boys

At this time HOLT advised STURGIS said

"I killed a boy from Boston named KENNEDY. ""

HOLT advised that

he said,

Do you mean the President?! and STURGIS said "yes.

HOLT advised that JOHNSON next laughed and said "Ain t that.

heavy " HOLT advised that STURGIS then

said. "T'll tell you,

nobody else?

hosT advised that that was the end of the

conversation and sTUrGIS and JoHNson lest. HoLT hext advised:

that he was facing murder charges in Broward county,

but that no

trial date had been set." Holt next

stated thats

he wanted to become an informant. for the FBI, but that he

would have to have it in writing, horn further related that he e

had been

screwed by DEA and his conversation became rambling

making no further sense. Interview was terminated at this:

point

the following

is background information concerning

HOLTS

- Name,

Date of birth

Racer

FBI Number

Hair

Eyes

Height

weight'

Place of Birth

Current Address

Telephone number

THOMAS JOSEPH HOLDE

March 23

19411

White male

320 23 Đ

Brown

Brown

5 feet 10 1/2 inches

240 Pounds

Boston, Massachusetts

1627 North Swinton Avenue

Delray Beach,

, Florida

278-0190

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