MEETING WITH MR. BLAKEY.
Originator: CIA
From: BRECKINRIDGE, SCOTT D., OLC
Document date: 1978-06-05 00:00:00
Document type: PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

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: BRECKINRIDGE, SCOTT D., OLC

TITLE : MEETING WITH MR. BLAKEY.

DATE

: 06/05/1978

PAGES : 2

SUBJECTS : MEXICO CITY

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OLC 78-2035/1

5 June 1978

OLG CHIRONO

HSCA

MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

SUBJECT: Meeting with Mr. Blakey

1. I met with Mr. Blakey this morning shortly after 7:30 a.m.

We met together with Rodger Gabrielson until we went to a meeting with

DDCI Carlucci at 8:45 a.m., returning for another 10 minutes or so

following the meeting with Carlucci.

This memorandum records the

highlights of discussions before and after Blakey met with Carlucci,

which is the subject of a separate memorandum.

2. I started by saying that the problem that was pending is one

of principle in the protection of intelligence sources and methods. We

did not feel it appropriate to have clandestine agents interviewed. We

thought we had made this clear to Gary Cornwell before he went to

Mexico. I reviewed our conversation with Cornwell in which he had

mentioned agents and non-official cover officials, the latter of which

had been available to HSCA under special arrangements. I said that as

a result of Cornwell having raised that point, we felt we had made it

completely clear that the HSCA would interview no agents and that we could

not help in this. We had a general discussion about how the word "agent"

is used technically, and how it had changed over the years. I made the

distinction between staff employees and other categories of persons, noting

that we do not refer to CIA staff employees as agents.

3. We talked about the interview of a former agent in Caracas. I

attributed the failure of the HSCA to notify us of this to Dan Hardway's

failure to understand what he had when he reviewed the file. I said that we

understood their interest in the man as a right-wing Cuban terrorist, but

explained our sensitivity because of our past use of him in Venezuela.

I said that we had been told that the man had not told the HSCA investigators

anything•

4. Blakey argued the HSCA rationale for looking at the Mexico City

Station. He said that the HSCA charter included investigation into how the

Station was run. I opined that he would have difficulty judging the Station.

Its mission was to operate against the Cuban and Soviets.

Its surveillance

program was primarily to collect operational information, i.e., leads to

persons who might have access, and to identify persons possibly working

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against us. This obviously did not include looking for potential presidential

assassins. Yet we did identify an American named Lee Oswald, in touch

with the Cubans and Soviets, which was reported routinely to Washington

sit Mexico without of that passports and to untied. s

his very identification is noteworthy. But as far as judging the Station

is concerned, HSCA is in no position to judge how it fared in its operations

against the Soviets and Cubans, which is the only basis for judging the Station.

This was clearly outside the HSCA charter, and it simply is in no position

to make a judgment.

5. Blakey argued that the agreements granted him access to the

agents and that we were protected in the provisions of use of information.

I stated that our past experience with other committees on eventual use

had not been all that good. He said we were not standing by our commitment

to him; I replied that this cut both ways, to which he said that the conversation

was getting out of hand and changed the subject.

6. When we returned from the meeting with Carlucci, Blakey

said that he thought his request was reasonable. I said that he had reviewed

both past and present employees at Mexico City Station, as well as reviewing

the files. The man he wants to interview is essentially a mechanic and was

really unimportant to him, and I doubted that he had anything to add to

what he knew.

7. He observed that our communications with Mexico City are

better than his and asked if we would inform the Station to tell Cornwell

about the outcome of this meeting. I asked if he wanted us to tell Cornwell

to prepare questions to be given to the agent. Blakey replied that he did not

at this time, and to tell Cornwell that they can discuss the matter further after

Cornwell returned to Washington.

8. Blakey had me arrange a meeting on Thursday with Bill Sturbitts

to try and run a "problem"' through the DDO files. He also said he wanted to

read the Hart report on Thursday to which I replied I would be in touch with

him about this after its review has been completed.

S. D. BRECKINRIDGE

Distribution:

Orig - OLC/Subj

1 - OLC/Chrono

1 - Mr. Smith 0/ DDCI

1 - Mr. Gregg SA/DO/0

OLC/SDB/ksn (5 Jun 78)

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