Originator: HSCA
Document date: 1978-09-26 00:00:00
Document type: BRIEFING BOOK

# DOCID-32267370

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JFK Assassination System

Identification Form

Agency Information

Date:

10/14/20

AGENCY :

HSCA

RECORD NUMBER:

180-10118-10095

RECORD SERIES :

AGENCY FILE NUMBER :

BRIEFING BOOKS

Document Information

ORIGINATOR :

HSCA

FROM:

TO :

TITLE:

56000 Date: 11-04-2021

DATE:

PAGES:

SUBJECTS :

09/26/1978

156

REVILL, JACK

RUBY, JACK, BACKGROUND, BUSINESS AND FINANCIAL

INTERESTS

RUBY, JACK, BACKGROUND, ASSOCIATES AND RELATIVES

RUBY, EARL

DOCUMENT TYPE: BRIEFING BOOK

CLASSIFICATION: Unclassified

RESTRICTIONS: Open in Full

CURRENT STATUS : Redact

DATE OF LAST REVIEW: 09/21/1993

OPENING CRITERIA :

COMMENTS :

Briefing Book of R. Edgar. Folder 2 of 2.Box 8.

v9.1

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EARL RUBY

Index of Exhibits

September 26, 1978

JFK #

Identification

F-554

Letter of August 17, 1978 from Earl Ruby

F-554 (FACS.)

F-565

attachments

Typed facsimile of Ruby letter to HSCA

(JEK F-554)

Internal Revenue Service audit report on

Earl Ruby, Commission Exhibit 2978,

dated January 9, 1964

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-JFK #5-554

010904

8-17-78

AlictCammitte an Ascarinationo

M. Pare of Depresintation

342rape burleng, tunes2

Attention: Jim Me Donald

Deat Ne. We Donald;

Enclacel are eppence incuire

in my Ripetiten ten.

$ 25.00

nast to Harana Cultor

ny otter place in Cuba.

I thirefote ment go en riesel

e cating that at no time

cli.

ta Havana Cuba or any phoe

in Cula.

Thire te a Cnta on lach of

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bage II

Illinata, lansa, Nen Menico

esatination andisona

to you.

Ancerely,

Carl Gut

Tel: 313- 843-0400

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PAGE 3

AUG

SEP

DUE

AUG 24,1978

313

863

0400

LONG

DISTANCE

CALLS

TIME MIN

DISCOUNT

CALL

DETAIL

7

6

D1

REDMOND

FOR

803

NA

206

713

• D1

WASHINGTON

717

DC

202

NORTHVILLE

MI

313

.717

01

WASHINGTON

DC

202

711 7

AUBURN HTS

313

7|18

MI

BAD AXE

MI

517

7/18

7122

D 1

D 31

CHICAGO

IL

312

LAS

VEGAS

NV

702

724

BENTON

HBR

MI

616

* 7:241

AUBURN

NTS

313

7124

PONTIAC

MI

313

724

NÜRTHVILLE

MI

313

726

D

SENTON

H8R

MI

616

726

BENTON

H8R

HI

616

7,28,

COMMERCE

MI

313

0401

885

225

348

225

852

269

465

734

926

852

334

348

926

926

698

9400

223PM

1910

925AM

2950

107PM

462.4

1057AM

4014

917AM

6724

ТИВАМ

3280

238PM

6922

251PM

2180

324PM

4014

1016AM

2444• 1010AM

1700

939AM

2186

74ZAM

2185

954AM

3261

335PM

2

11

152

1'8 4

130

137

1;10

120

1,42

116

116

72

37

13

IF MILINE OR SERVICE

MAIL

XEY

DUSTION CALLE

PAGE

AUG

04

SEP

03

QUE AUG 24, 1978 313

883

0400

BILLING PERFOL

BILLEO

NUMBER

LONG DISTANCE CALLS

720

722

722

722

722

7i22

722

7,2 2

7122

7,22

7/22

7122

7.22

724

124

7,24

NO. DAY

DATE

KEY

D

04

D4

04

D4

D 4

D 4:

D 41

D 4

04

PUNTIAC

itl

313

ROCHESTER

MI

313

03

UTICA

MI

313

03

ROCHESTER

313

03

UTICA

MI

313

03

HARTLAND

MI

315

UTICA

MI

313

108

10 3

COMMERCE

313

4)

ROCHESTER

HI

313.

PONTIAC

MI

313

HOLLY

MI

313

AUBUEN HTS

MI

313

HOLLY

313

D

01

ROCHESTER

MI

MI

313

MASHINGTON

DC

202

AUBURN

HTS

MI

313

TIME MIN DISCOUNT

682

9580

1001AM

651

4803

504PM

731

3278

415PM

375

9261

935AM

731

2583

425PM

632

5189

936A1

731

9168

915лH

363

1212

952AM

375

9649

:920AM

335

1160

1140AM

634

9669

428p4

852

3572

959AM

634

4169

355PM

051

J820 1141AM

225

4624

235PM

852

5245

1226PM

i05

10 3

108

103

108

109

106

106

106

106

117

106

132

111

106

11 7

106

!17

13

45%

If BILLING OR SERVICE

Mic

PAGE 5.

JUL

BILLING PERIOD

JIlL

24

DI.

TIME

MIM

n2

MORTUN

GRV

13

DISCOUNT

17.

PONTIAC

D3 MIAMI

D3 MIAMI

IL

FL

FL

3₴

75

KOCHESTER

PONTIAC

URAYTONPLS

M1

CHICAGU

03

L1

Alli ARBOR

SAiN FRAM

MASHINGTÜN

SKUKIF

FRUM MAYFR

SKUKIE

FFUM

MAYER

BIL

QUESTIONS CALL

Michiganbel

PAGE 4

JUL 04

2

NiNa

I to

34

2'39

118 3

8

450PН

3.9

596

692

AUG

03

JUL 24,1978

LONG UISTANCE CALLS

TIME MIN DISCOUNT

610

D3 LOSANGELES

61?

FLYMOUTH

CA.

213

749

9351

MI

313

454

3051

1210PM

33

912AM

2

h120

CENTUN HUR

M1

616

926

2166

i 1 4

C

NORTHVILLE

MI

313

348

2950

1112AM

21 JPM

614

614

iT CLEMENS

MI

313

465

2826

305PM

DI LAVUE

MU

314

991

3600

112.9AM

6i1.5

HOMELL

517

546

622

NORTHVILLE

MI

348

9886 1231PM

250PM

626

313

1700

LAKE ORION

MI

313

693

4725

1249PM

627

430

1

D

n 1l

0 4

PONTIAC

MI

313

335

7702 1228PM

NASHINGTON

DC

202

225

1910

NONTHVILLE

MI

313

348

2950

318PM

2

SURTOTAL 863

0401

MICH

1239PM

5,58 ALL CALLS

03

9.06

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21

11 ÷

1107

19

09

50

48

09

30

See other side

for billing

explanations.

discounts,

key to calls, etc.

Please return

enclosed card

with payment.

Thank you.

See other side

for billing

explanations,

discounts,

key to calls, etc.

turn

card

nent.

'OU.

See other side

for billing

explanations.

discounts,

key to calls, etc.

Please return

enclosed card

with payment.

Thank you.

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-JFK

#F-554 FACSIMILE

FACSIMILE

8/17/78

Select Committee on Assassinations

U.S. House of Representatives

3331 House Office Building, Annex 2

Washington, D.C.

20515

Attention: Jim McDonald

Dear Mr. McDonald:

Enclosed are expenses incurred during my trip to Chicago

to have my deposition taken.

Total miles driven to Chicago and return

to Detroit: 600 miles

Motel:

one night

$25.00

Telephone calls - attached

12.11

Food

?

Regarding telegram alledged sent to Cuba in 1962.

I checked with post-office here and learned that there are

six Cubas in the U.S. and now I'm sure that the telegram

in question was sent to a Cuba here in the U.S. and not to

Havana Cuba or any other place in Cuba.

I therefore must go on record as stating that at no.

time did I ever send a telegram to Havana Cuba or any place

in Cuba.

There is a Cuba in each

of the following states: Alabama

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Illinois, Kansas, New Mexico, New York and Ohio.

I ordered the record, "The Controversy" which is about

the Kennedy assassination and soon as I receive it, I'll

send same to you.

Sincerely,

Earl Ruby

18135 Livernois Ave.

Detroit, Mi. 48221

Tel: 313-863-0400

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CE-078

SENSITIVE CASE REPORT

Ins

59030908)

Dlstelad Diractor

Detroit

ARC- C'incinnati

District

Rogional Offico

Diractor, Intelligence

Dirialon

Nailonal Offleo, Martington, D. C.

• HAME OF CASE OR IDENTIFICATION OF SITUATION

INSTRUCTIONS: Submit through channels to ARC

concerned in an original and seven copies.

O CLASS OF TAX

EARL FA RUST

29045 liondland

Southfield, Michigan

SSISTANT REGIONAL CORTIlSON

INFELLGENGE

b. TAXABLE PARIOO

C AMOUNT OF TAX

d. DOCKET NO.. IP AMY

3. PRINCIPAL ISSUES INVOLVED

Develoning Inforsation

1 1.!

-JFK F-565-

3. REASONS FOR SENSITIVITY

Tire tuxpayer is a brother of back Ruby, Dallos, Tenno, she allegeily

conuscinated Lee Harey Grald, the alleged aerossin of fresident

John r. Kennady.

•: ACTION TAKEN OR PROPOSEO

I have completed an analysis of loni dintart telephone calls cricinatina

from the Earl Puby residenca in Southáield, Micilgan and from the Lori

Puby and George Marcus partnership, Cobo Clooners, Vatroit, Michigar.

The

period covered sas troi ücioner 24, 1961 to Decerner 2, 1963. A copy of

the anolysis in enclosed with this report for referenca purposes.

The aralyale wag compiled fron information furnished by the fichigon Eell

Telepline Company and fron avallible recoris of the Internal Revenue ser-

vica, Datroit, Michizar.

Rich telenhone number called vas scheduled as in cripin, duration anu tine.

POST FLOUTS

litter.

1 ціст

DE: 11021

Evector's Signature,

€..

rovi

EMEO (ARC': Signature)

TIT

DISTRIC DETROT

TITLE

U.J: TREASURY DEPARTMENT - INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE

DATE

DATE

1-5.1968

DATE

RC CHI 418(1-601

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Suhacribson vere identified and in some instancea the cocupation and/or tire

or ousiness

was determined.

Inx raturns of seventy-five of the oue hundred and tuenty Hichigan persons

called wore checked. Corporate returns were not included. Thay failed to

disclose any parsonal trangactions with Earl Ruby. However, some of the

returns disclosed deductions for intercat payments to v. Li. Hudson Company

on charge accounts. Some showed employment by Hudson's; by Farl Ruby and

George Marcus, d/b/a Cobo Clenners; or by firns handling cleaners supplies

or equipment.

The balance primarily disclosed various professional or

skilled oscupations.

Internal Ravenue Agent R. Anstett determined that Cobo Closners has an ex-

clusive contract with..

2. Fudson Cospany, Datroit, Nichigan,

to furnish

custon cloaning services for thair custonars. Hudson's, being one of the

largest department stores in the midwest, furnishes this sorvice to nearly

all of the areas called by Cobo Cleaners.

In view of the Cobo - Hudson business relationship, coupled with the infor-

nation reported on the availebla tak raturns, it appears that the Michigan

calls originating froz Cobo Cleaners were in connection with that business..

In my last report, dated Dacember ll, 1963, I indieated that I would attempt

to detersine the following individuals background and/or rolationship with

Earl Puby:

I.. Harry C.. Futtermen

7207 E. Prairio

Lincolnsood, Skokie, Illinnis

2

Oscar. As Ruby

58 Lakeshora Driva

South Maven, Michigan

5539. 4. Bernard

Chicazo 45, Illinois

in":

Pith the exception of checking the tax filing record of Oscar h. Ruby in

the Detroit district whare no record sas disclosed; I node no request for

any collateral Investigations in this matter.

It is my understanding that

I am rut to initiate any third party Inquiries relutive to this case.

The Hovenber 1963 billing from Cobo Cleaners (UN, 3-0400), discloses that

four telephone calls were made to Dallas, Texas.

The calls originated in

Chicago and were charged to the Cobo Cleaners nuabar.

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Lata

11-24-63

11-23-63

Nunher

Called

Tige of

Call

LA. 6÷6258

LA. 6-8258

Credit Card

Credit Card

Duration

10 Minutes

3 Minutes

Subscriber

Eva La Grant

3929 Karlins, Aptal

(ruby's sister)

11-29-83

R1.8-3324

Credit Caru

3 Minutes

Colley Sullivan

1934 lain

(Attorney)

11-30-53: 14.8-4775

Credft Card

17 Hinutes

Oscar A. Robinson

4411 Buena Vista

Apt: 102

Oscar A. Pobinson is unidentified. However, he and Oscar d. Ruby. From South

Haven, Michigan and Chicago, Illinois, may be the san: person. It is sug-

rested that a check on this person be considered, since there appears to be

no business connection with the taxpayer's novelty or cleaning businesses.

According to Revenue Agent P. Anstett, the following persons or companies.

also do sot apocar to have any business connection with Earl Ruby!s businesses,

but have received calls and may be of sore significance:

1. Janes Welch Company (Candy Manufacturar)

Canbridge, Massachusetts

(previously reported)

2.

Dominica Scorta

1205 H. Grand

-"Chicago, Illinois

..?:

3.

Ansan Tool & "fa. Co, (Auto Accessories)

4750 #. Ronald

Chicago, Illinois

Anani and Mario Unberto

4.

Arvin Futterman

1537 N. Fargo.

Chicago, Illinois

5.

Kirk Buhul

2331 Sheridan Foad

Fraternity House

Northwestern University

Chicago, Illinois

3

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5 ..

Elliot Echwartz

20026 - 33th Avenue

new York, li. Y. (Queens)

7:

8.

•9.

Triangle lEg. Company

714 Division Streat

Oshkash, Wisconsin

(Ereviously reported)

Francis Lynch

109 South Land Drive

Rochester, New York

Horry. C. Futterman

720 E. Frairie

Lincolnused, Skokie,

Illinois

(previously reportad)

Is view of the nature of this case, the ccinction of the above parties for

surgeuted background investigations and inportanca, is discretionary.

1964, no attempt vas made by Agent instest to question Earl

Ruby about tho lavana

telegran or the various long distance calls in 1962

and 1983. First, because his audit concorns only the years 1951 and 1962;

and secondly, any questions on this line nay have disrupted the cooparative

attitude aed.caused an unnecessary delay.

Horever, on January 6, 1954, an opportunity brose for Agent Anstett to question

Earl Ruby about certain partnership deductions, which had the appearance of

possible personal expenses.

long distance toll chagges in 1962. Concerning these, Prepare en

Area Called

Taxpayer's Cements

Evanston, Illinois

"That's where my partner used to live.

lie. moved about six ronths ago to Glen-

view."

Rochester, New York

"That's whare pur superintendent used

to live and work."

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Aren Called

Havana, Cuba

Van Huys, California

Ansonialer, Connecticut

Skokia, Illinois

Chicago Area

Ohio Arca

Broken Arrow, Oklahona

r.v:.

Marion, Indiana

Santon Harbor, Michigan

Grand Rapids, Michigan

Nay York, New York

Detroit Suburbs

Taxpayers Correnta

"That's a telegran isn't it?

→I don't remenber."

"I don't renomber."

"We were thinking of buyin? some key

chains, -- Cook Heg. I think, but ve

endled un buying calendars."

"That's where my family lived until

finally noving to Detroit."

"Suppliers"

"Suppliers - He try and buy all our

supplies direct fron the nanufacturars

rather than through a distributor."

"I don't renenber."

"My partner's other plant."

"Hy partner's other plant."

"Annther plant - and e ury cieanina

convention."

"Suppliers"

"Our cleaning custoners."

Meter another pause. the abors reneron

Aside for sona nominal technical adjustments, the audit examination has

disclosed no apparent understatements

of. Incoma or other indications of

fraud.:

I propose no further investigation in this case, Inasmuch as there is no

criniral potential and all avenues for loads at

the taxpayer's offica

have been checked. Unless informed otherwise, I propose to closs this

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cave to the files of the Inteligence Division, with the rucentondrtien

that Internal Ravenue Agent R.

Anstetz close his case on a civil basis.

During this investigation I had no personal contact with the taxpayes or

his representatives.

All the interriers vera conductad by Agent Anstett

in ralation to his audit.:

This is the final sensitive case report in this case.

*=

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JACK REVILI

Background

Captain Jack Revill has been a member of the

Dallas Police Department since 1951, and is currently

in charge of the Internal Affairs Division of the

Department.. In 1963, Captain Revill was a lieutenant

assigned to the Criminal Imtelligence Section of the

Department's Special Service Bureau. Captain Revill

was also a member of a special Dallas Police investiga-

tive unit designed to determine how Jack Ruby gained

entrance to the Police Headquarters basement.

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JACK REVILL

I. Background

A. Personal details?

B. Professional responsibilities?

1.

NOw?

2. Then?

II. Criminal Intelligence

A. Information sources and file retention?

B.. Criminal Activity; late 50's, early 60's.

1. Gambling?

2. Narcotics?

3. Prostitution?

4. Criminal structure or hierarchy?

5. Activity between Dallas and Miami,

New. Orleans and/or Havana?

C. Police work in vice area?

1. Informants?

2. Regular beats?

III. Ruby - Dallas Police Department relationship

A. Police relations with club owners, generally?

B. Special favors?

C. Relationship with Ruby?

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Jack Revill

Page 2

D. Ruby as Dallas Police Department informant?

1. DPD procedure re: informants?

a. Any or all records kept?

2. Use of Ruby?

E. Dallas Police Department presence at Ruby's clubs?

1. Vice squad duties and checks?

2. Special security officers.

3.. Social visits of DPD officers.

F. Ruby's access to Dallas Police Department headquarters?

1. Ruby better relations with DPD than

Sheriff's office?

2. Ruby presence on assassination weekend?

a. Ever questioned?

IV. Ruby entrance to basement - November 24, 1963?

A. Information dissemination on transfer

plans and

security measures?

1.

Assumption coincidence of Ruby walking

in after sending money order?

2. Assumption for conspiracy word would

have been sent to Ruby re: exact timing

of transfer?

3. Consider possibility that Ruby's arrival

triggered the transfer, instead of the reverse?

B. How did Ruby get into basement?

• 1. Investigative approach of DPD special

investigative unit, generally, and access

to basement, in particular?

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Jack Revill

Page 3

2. Findings of special unit on how he got in?

3. Did Jack Ruby confirm the conclusion?

то you?

How did he react?

4. If Jack Ruby entered by another route,

what significance if any, would you

place on the fact

that he said he

entered the ramp?

5. What testimony supported the special unit's

finding that Jack Ruby entered by the Main

Street ramp?

6. Were polygraphs used on some officers

concerning Ruby's entrance to the basement?

7. Did those results corroborate the special

unit's finding that Ruby entered via the

ramp?

8. Did a former officer (Daniels) who said he

saw Ruby go in the ramp entrance fail

a polygraph?

9. Did anyone else fail polygraphs in connection

with your investigation of the assassination

or shooting of Oswald?

10. Did the DeD confront the one person who

failed with

those results?

11. What alternative routes might Jack Ruby

have taken to enter the basement?

12. Did the DPD special unit consider all

of these alternatives?

13. (to the extent necessary)

Were the interior doors of each possible

entrance route guarded?

14. (if not)

Did the special unit conclude that anyone

was negligent in not having those doors

guarded?

15. In your opinion, how did Jack Ruby enter

the basement?

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Jack Revill

Page 4

C.

Dallas Police Department response:

connected with DPD disciplined

transfer of Lee Harvey Oswald?

Was anyone

regarding the

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EXAMINATION OF JACK REVILL

September 26, 1978

I. Background

What is your full name and

where do you live?

(To the extent appropriate)

What is your present occupation :

and rank?

(To the extent appropriate)

What is the nature of your

present assignment and duties?

0 :

(To the extent appropriate)

What was your occupation, rank,

and duties in the 1950's and

early 1960's?

II. Criminal Intelligence

Q: What was the responsibility

of the Special Services

Bureau in the 1950's and

early 1960's?

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Direct Examination: Mr. Revill

Page 2

Was the Vice Squad a part of

or separate from the Special.

Services Bureau?

Q: To what extent was information

which was obtained by the vice

Squad made available to the

Special Services

Bureau?

(On

a regular basis or only

in special cases?)

Q: To what extent did members of

the Special Services Bureau

have access to information

concerning criminal activity,

generally, in Dallas in the

1950'5 and early 1960's?

Q: To what extent did you

personally have access

to

such

information?

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Direct Examination: Mr. Revill

Page

3

Q: To what extent did you receive

information concerning criminal

activities taking place in

Jack Ruby's nightclubs,

specifically offenses

such as

prostitution, gambling and

narcotics activity?

Q: Do you have any knowledge of

specific criminal activities.

by Jack Ruby?

More specifically, did he ever

gamble or was he present when

gambling took place?

III. Relationship between Dallas Police Department and Jack Ruby

Q: Did you know Jack Ruby personally

or know of him? (to the extent

appropriate)

Q: What was your impression of

him personally, and what was

his

reputation among the entire

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Direct Examination: Mr. Revill

page

4

Dallas Police force?

(Focus on his reputation for

honesty, propensity for

violence, participation in

illegal or shady activities.)

Q: What was your impression of

Ruby's reputation in the

community?

Q: What was the nature of the

relationship which existed

in the 1950's and early

1960 's between members of the

Police Department and owners

of clubs, such as those run

by Jack Ruby?

Q: Was there any problem with

policemen performing or

receiving special favors from

club owners?

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Direct Examination: Mr. Revill

Page

5

Q:

What was the relationship of

Jack Ruby with the Dallas

Police Department?

(Focus here should be on the

reliability of previous

accounts that Jack Ruby knew

a great number of members of

the Police Department, and

why this would have been the

case.)

Q: Was Jack Ruby so friendly with

the police because he did

favors for the police, such

as

providing them with free

drinks, food, or a place for

private parties?

2:

Was Jack Ruby ever used as

an informant for the Dallas

Police Department?

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Direct Examination:

Mr. Revill

Page

6

l: (Io the extent applicable)

Did the Dallas Police Depart-

ment maintain records on any

and all informants, and what

form did those records take?

Q: (To the extent applicable)

Did Jack Ruby ever provide

any useful information of any

kind to the Dallas Police

Department in circumstances

less formal than that of an

informant relationship?

E. G., Enter Cody HSCA

interview of July 11, 1978,

JFK Exhibit F-566.

l: Did Jack Ruby's cooperation

with the Police Department

help him regarding traffic

tickets.or pending or

potential prosecutions

against him?

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Direct Examination: Mr. Revill

Page

7

(To the extent applicable)

Did members of the Dallas

Police Department frequent

Jack Ruby's clubs in the 1950's

and early 1960's?

(Focus here on whether or

not their frequenting of his

clubs was more common than of

other clubs, and why.)

Q: What was the policy of the

Dallas

Police Department

toward its officers serving

as special security officers

in clubs such as Jack Ruby's?

I: To your knowledge, did

Jack Ruby have as good a

relationship with members.

of the Sheriff's office

as he did with the Dallas

Police Department?

(Focus here should be on

the fact that when Ruby

shot Oswald, Oswald was

about to be transferred to

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Direct Examination: Mr. Revill

Page

8

the Sheriff's office; i.e.,

would Ruby have perceived

this as his last reasonable

chance at shooting Oswald?)

Q: It is documented that Jack

Ruby was present in Dallas

Police Department headquarters

on a number of occasions

during the weekend immediately.

following the assassination.

To your knowledge, was

his presence ever called into

question by any member of the

Dallas Police Department at

the time?

?: Was the intermittent presence

of a particular non-officer

an unusual event?

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Direct Examination: MI. Revill

Page

9

Q: Excluding, for the moment,

Jack Ruby's access to the

basement, was any member

of the Dallas Police

Department punished in any

way for the fact that

security was lax enough in

the headquarters, generally,

such that Ruby could be

present on so many occasions

during the weekend?

IV.

Jack Ruby's entrance to basement - November 24, 1963

Q: How much in advance of the

transfer of Lee Oswald was

the time of the transfer

known to the public,

generally, and members of

the

Police Department, in particular?

(Focus here should be on

when it was known that the

transfer would take place

at

specific time.)

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Direct Examination: Mr. Revill

Page

10

Q:'

Were you a member of a unit

of the Dallas Police

Department which was

established to investigate

the shooting of Lee Oswald?

Q: What was the general

investigative approach taken

by this special unit and

did it have sufficient leeway

to make a thorough

investigation?

2: Prior to the shooting of

Oswald, Jack Ruby had sent

a money order from the western

Union office only minutes

before. Did the special unit

consider the possibility that

Jack Ruby had utilized the

sending of this money order

to make his entrance to the

basement and subsequent

shooting of Oswald seem a

fluke coincidence of timing?

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Direct Examination: Mr. Revill

Page 11

Q: (To the extent applicable)

Did the special unit assume

that

for Jack Ruby to have had

assistance in gaining access

to the basement,

someone would

have had to have told him

the exact timing of the transfer,

so that he could send the

money order and still get

into the basement in time to

shoot Oswald?

2: (To the extent applicable)

Did the special unit consider

the possibility that Jack Ruby

received word of the general

timing of the transfer and had

devised a scheme whereby

his arrival at the basement

would result in a message being

sent upstairs to begin the

transfer?

(Focus here is on whether the

special unit considered the

possibility that Ruby's arrival

was the trigger for the transfer

rather than that he only could

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Direct Examination:

Mr. Revill

Page 12

have received help by way of

receiving advance word of the

exact timing of the transfer.)

Q: What were the findings of the

special unit on how Jack Ruby

got into the basement?

I would like to enter the

report of the Special Unit into

the record as JFK Exhibit #

F-567.

I would also like to enter

into the record a blow-up

of

the Warren Commission diagram

of the basement, entered

as JFK F-568.

Q:

Mr. Revill, please point out

on the diagram where Jack ruby

shot lee Oswald, and where

the ramp is located from

which he allegedly entered

the building.

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Direct Examination: Mr. Revill

Page 13

Q: Could you indicate with reference

to the map, where the Western

Union building was located?

Q: Did Jack Ruby confirm the

conclusion?

TO YOU?

How did he react?

0:

(To the extent appropriate)

Are there any questions in your

mind concerning Jack Ruby's

statements to others that he

had entered via the ramp?

l: Did the Special Unit interview

everyone who heard Jack Ruby

say

that he entered via the ramp?

Q: (To the extent deemed appropriate).

Did the Special Unit also inter-

view Forrest Sorrells of the

Secret Service who was present

during the questioning?

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Direct Examination: Mr. Revill

Page

14

I: (To the extent appropriate,

and framed properly)

Was Sergeant Dean present on

the first occasion when Jack

Ruby entered by the ramp?

(Modified if necessary by

previous testimony)

Q: Wasn't Sergeant Pat Dean in

charge of security in the

basement, also?

2 :

Was Sergeant Dean with Jack

Ruby prior to the time that

Dean heard Ruby say he entered

by the ramp?

Q: If Jack Ruby entered by another

route, what significance, if

any, would you place on the

fact that he said he entered

the ramp?. (Keeping in mind

the fact that when Revill talked

to Jack Ruby some time subse-

quent to the shooting, he

refused to go into any detail

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Page 15

about how he entered the basement.)

I: What testimony supported the

Special Unit's

finding that Jack

Ruby entered by the Main Street

ramp when Pierce's car came up?

Q: Are you aware of the statements

of Don Flusche. to the effect

that he was in a good position

to observe the ramp and didn't

see Jack Ruby enter?

I would like to enter into the

record at this time the staff

interview with Mr. Flusche which

was conducted on June 7, 1978,

as JFK Exhibit #F-569.

Q: Were polygraphs used on some

officers concerning Ruby's

entrance into the basement?

Who?

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Direct Examination:

Mr. Revill

Page 16

Q: Did those results corroborate.

the special unit's finding

that

Ruby entered via the ramp?

Q: Dia

a former officer (Daniels)

who said he saw Ruby go in the

ramp entrance fail a polygraph?

See page 8 of DPD Special

Unit Report.)

2: Did anyone else fail polygraphs

in connection with your

investigation of the assassination

or shooting of Oswald?

Q: How were the decisions made as

which officers should take

polygraphs and which should

not?

(If appropriate)

Was the officer in charge of

security, Sergeant Dean, given

a polygraph?

Q: Why not?

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Examination: Mr. Revill

Page 17

Q: (If deemed appropriate)

What was Sergeant Dean's reputation

for veracity?

2: Did the Dallas Police Department

confront the one person who failed

with those results?

(Specifically, former officer

Daniels.)

Q: What alterative routes might

Jack Ruby have taken to enter

the basement?

At this time, I would like to

enter into the record the staff

interview with Jack Revill con-

ducted August 18, 1978, as

JFK. Exhibit #F-570.

Q: Mr. Revill, will you please

indicate on the map of the

basement where the alleyway

was located?

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Examination: Mr. Revill

Page 18

Q: Did the Dallas Police Department

special unit consider all of

these alternatives?

•Q:

(To the extent necessary)

Were the interior doors of each

possible entrance route guarded?

Was the interior door leading

from the basement fire escape

checked?

By whom?

(If appropriate)

Was this door guarded?

By whom?

Q: Did this door lead to the

interior of the building?

Q: Did this door also lead to

door which opened on the

alleyway?

Q: Did the DPD make the FBI aware

of the fact that this door

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Examination: Mr. Revill

Page

19

lead to the alleyway, or were

they aware of it?

@ :

(As appropriate)

Why were guards removed from

the interior door approximately

20 to 30 minutes before

the

shooting?

Q: (As appropriate)

• Was the guard removed?

Q:

(As appropriate)

Who removed him?

Q: Did the Special Unit conclude

that anyone was negligent in not

having each and every door guarded,

and insuring that each was locked?

Q: In your opinion, how did Jack

Ruby enter the basement?

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Examination:

Mr.

Revill

Page 20

Q:

Dallas Police Department response --

Was anyone connected

with Dallas

Police Department disciplined

regarding the transfer of Lee

Harvey Oswald?

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JACK REVILI

Index of Exhibits

September 26, 1978

JFK #

F-566

Identification

E-567

F-568

F-569

E-570

HSCA Staff Interview of Joe R. Cody,

July 11, 1978

Report, dated December 19, 1963, submitted

by 0. A. Jones, Dallas Captain of Police,

to J. E. Curry, Chief of Police, regarding

the investigation of the Operational

Security involving the transfer of Lee

Harvey Oswald on November 24, 1963

Diagram of the basement floor plan of the

Dallas Police Headquarters, Commission

Exhibit 2179 (Also in blow-up)

HSCA

Staff Interview of Don E. Flusche,

June

7, 1978

HSCA Staff Interview of Jack Revill,

August 18, 1978

Supplemental Exhibits

HSTA Staff Interview of W. P. Gannaway,

May 30, 1978

HSCA Staff Interview of James Gilmore.

May 26, 1978

HSCA Staff Interview of Rio S. Pierce,

May 29, 1978

HSCA Staff Interview of James Herbert Sawyer,

MaY 24, 1978

HSCA Staff Interview of Don R. Archer,

August 24!

1978

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1/ 1lesi11

JFK

F-566

- KENNEDY

SELECT COMMITTEE ON

ASSASSINATIONS

Name Joe R. Cody

Address 1113 Cedar Ridge

Date July 11, 1978 Time 3:30 g

Place

Dallas Police Headquarte

DeSoto, Texas

Interview: Detective Cody was interviewed in his office (Room

212) at Police Headquarters. He was questioned relative

his friendship with Jack Ruby and he stated that he first met

Ruby in 1951 while a patrolman working on South Ervay Street

in downtown Dallas.

Ruby was the owner of the Silver Spur

and there were numerous altercations on the premises which

called for police action of some type, and during this time

Cody became friendly with Ruby. Cody left the Police Depart-

ment and entered the U.S. Army,

serving in Korea and is south

Texas and Mexico, in Army Intelligence. He returned to the

D.P.D. in 1954 and was assigned to the Detective Division, Nar-

cotics squad. Ruby was very cooperative with the squad, giving

information that resulted in arrests. He continued the friend-

ship with ruby through the years and used to go ice-skating

with him. He used to play hockey too and Ruby was a hocky fan.

Ruby mentioned that he was having trouble with the

Union (AGVA), but he didn't elaborate. Detective Cody stated

that during this period of time he was sure that Ruby did not

have any organized cline

connections

Interviewer Signature

During most of the early

Typed Signature

Al Maxwell

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Interview with Joe cody

Page 2.

years that he knew Jack, he had had some hard times. The

Club (Silver Slipper) was doing badly and Ruby slept in the

back and cooked there too.

On the day of the assassination (11-22-63) Cody stated

that he was off work, but when he heard about it an the radio

he called in and was directed to the I.S.B.D., and arrived

there about ten or fifteen minutes later, and was present down-

stairs when the rifle was found. He later went to Police Head-

quarters and was there when Lho was brought in for killing

Police Officer Tippett. The officers were bringing him down

the hall (third floor) when he asked LHO his name. When LHO

gave him his name and where he worked, he grabbed him and took

him into Captain Fritz's office and told him that he was

from the TSBD and the one wanted in connection with President

Kennedy's death.

Questioned relative to Ruby's presence on the third

floor, Cody stated that he didn't see Ruby on the third floor

at any time, that he (cody) was there, but that evening at

the first show-up, which was in reality à press conference,

he was one of the Police Officers who brought Iho down to the

basement. When he looked around, Jack Ruby was standing on a

table. Cody asked him what he was doing there and ruby replied

that he was covering the event for the Jewish

Press. All

during the press conference, LiO was denying that he shot any-

one. After 11:00 p.m. that night,. Detective Cody stated that

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Interview with Joe Cody

Page 3.

he was off duty and had flown his plane to Amarillo, Texas

for a scuba-diving contest: that Sunday (11-24-78) when he

heard on the radio that. Jack Ruby had shot LHO. A short time

after Ruby was incarcerated at the Dallas County Jail, Cody

stated that he went to visit Jack and asked him, "why did you

do it, Jack?" He said Ruby replied, "I did it for you guys.

He was a punk (LHO) and wouldn't have served any time in jail

for it."

Questioned further relative to information received

from Ruby, Detective Cody did elaborate on several cases where:

he was called at Headquarters and given information by Ruby,

and he acted on this information, which resulted in arrests.

Ruby was not registered with the D.P.D. as an informant as

far as Detective Cody knew. He just passed information (of a

criminal nature to members of the DPD that he knew.

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2) Revier - p re

007

JFK

F-567

December 19, 1963

Mr. J. E. CuITy

Chief of Polica

Sir:

Pursuast to your instructions of November 29, 1963,

the unit assigned has completed an investigation

of the Operational Security Involving the transfer

of Lee Herveg Oswald on November 24, 1963-

A summary of the investigation, along with an indexed

complete investigative report, plus exhibits is for

warded under separate cover.

Respectfully submitted,

Captain of Police

CAJ : 7W

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December 16, 1963

Mr. J. E. CurTy

Chief of Police

Subject:

Investigation of the Operational Security

Involving the Iransfer of Lee Harvey Oswald

on November 2, 1963-

Sir:

The investizative teau which you appointed on November 29, 1963,

to rake this Investigation wishes to submit the following report:

Security was set up in the basement parking area of the City Hall

at approximately 9 aul. on Sunday, November 24, 1963- (See

attachments)

The basement was searched and guards placed at all entrances.

All unauthorized personnal were removed from the area.

security

personnel and news nedia were then allowed to enter tha basement.

An armored truck was ordered and arrived at the Commerce Street

ranp at approximately 11:00 a.ml. It was backed onto the ramp.

The truck did not hava sufficient clearance to be taken to the

botton of the ramp.

The driver believed the truck might stall

due to the weight if it was placed on the incline. It was then

decided to leava the truck at the top of the Commerce Street

ramp with the rear sheels on the Incline and the front wheels

on the sidewalk of the Commarca Street side of the City Hall.

The Jail Office corridor outside the Jail Office and the ramp

area South of the Southeast comer of the Jail Office was

cleared of everyone except security officers.

Plans wera changed and Lieutenant R. S. Pierce drove a squad

car out of the basemant area and out the Hain Streat ramp. He

was accompanied by Sergeants j. A. Putnam and B. J. Maxey. They

nade a left turn on Main Street, a left turn on Harrood Street

and a left turn on formarce Street.

They here intending to lead

the arnored trick to the County Jail. The armored truck was to

be a decoy and the prisoner was to be transferred in a plain car.

Detective Charles Brown drove a plain car on the Commerce Street

rany toward the arnored truck. Detective C. N. Dhority then drove

another plain car on the ranp behind Detective Charles Brown's car.

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Detective C. N. Dhority was in the process of backing the car he

was driving Into position adjacent to the Jail Office entrance,

when the prisoner was brought out of the Jail Office by Detectives

Jo R. Leavelle and I. C. Graves, preceded by Captain J. W. Fritz

and Lieutenant R. E. Swain. They were followed by Detective La Do

Montgonery. The prisoner had taken a few steps toward the car.

Jack Ruby apparently was standing about 10 or 12 feet fron the

Southeast corner of the Jail Office, at the bottom of the Main

Street Pamp near the pipe railing

Ruby lunged forward from a

position between acting Detective W. J. Harrison and Robert S.

Huflakes, Jr., a newnan for KRID-TV. Ruby approached Lee Harvey

Oswald with a revolver extended and fired one shot into Oswald

below the rib cage on the left side.

The shot was fired at approximately 11:20 ali. Ruby was inmed1-

ately arrested. Lee Harvey Oswald expired at Parkland Hospital

at 1:07 p.I..

This grous interrogated 123 persons during the course of this

investigation.

This included 20 patrolmen, 21 reserves, 30

detectives, 19 supervisors, 13 reporters, Il cameramen and 9

civilians.:

Most of the officers were assigned to provide

security and the reporters and cameramen were in the basement

at the time of the transfer.

Only one of the civilians inter-

rogated was in the basement at the time and this was Jack Ruby.

• We have obtained the names. of 10 newsmen that were in the base

ment that we have not been able to interview. We were abls to

deterina there were approximately 10 members of the news media

in the basezens whose identity we have not been able to deter

mine. It is believed these are newspaper corraspondents repro

senting publications from other araas of tha country and even

other countries.

Time and money made the running down of these

people Inadvisable at this tira, particularly since it is not ben

Lieved that any of them could throw additional light on this matter..

Numerous side investigations which grew out of this Investigation

were also nada.

A separate report covering these incidents will

be submitted.

"e ara convinced that our investigation has established to a

reasorabla. certainty that Jack Leon Huby entered the basement

from the lain Streat ramp and that no collusion exsted between

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him and any police officer or member of the press; that his

entrance into the basement at this particular time was the

result of a series of unfortunate coincidences mhich caused

a momentary breakdown in the security measures adopted.

are also convinced that Ruby was in the basement for a

We

maxinun of 2 minutes with a strong possibility that it was

only 5 to 10 seconds prior to the shooting of

Lee Harvey

Oswald.

The following evidence led us to the above conclusion:

I. Exhibit BB

A. Lieutenants Jack Revill and P. G. McCaghren inter-

viewed Mr. Doyal Lane of 6549 Lake Circle, I11-0560

at the Western Union Telegraph Company Located at

Jain and Pearl Expressway in Dallas, Texas.

1. Mr. Lana is a supervisor for the Westem Union

Telegraph Company and was on duty at this

Te arap

location on November 24, 1963. It 11:16 a ta

Jack Ruby sent a $25.00 Money Order to an

employee, Karen Bennett, It. Worth, Texas and

was given a receipt which was stamped with the

time (11:16 a.n.)

2. Mr. Lane was shown several photographs and he

readily picked the photograph of Jack Ruby from

these and stated that he knew Jack Ruby inasmuch

as Ruby had sent several telegrams in the past.

II. Exhibit DD

A.: Shows a distance of 33916" from the Westernmost

doorway at the Western Union Office to the center

of the ramp leading into the basement of the City

Hall from Mein Street.

B. Shows a distance of 99: from the center of the

sidewald down the liain Street Ramp to a line

running East from the Southeast corner of the

Jail Cffice.

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Co

Shows a distance of I6s from the Lasternmost point

of Lina mentioned in B above to point where Tea.

Oswald was shot.

D. Total minimun distance Ruby would have to travel to

arrive at spot of shooting from doorway of Western

Union equals 45416"

III. Exhibit BB

A.

Lieuterants Jack Revill and P. G. HicCaghren on

November 29, 1963, checked the time required to

wal's from inside the Western Union Office to the

spot of the shooting in the hasement of the City

Halle

1. It takes I minute and 13 seconds to walk this

distance to the entrance of the Main Street

ramp.

2. It requires another 22 seconds to walk down the.

ramp fron Main Street to the location where

Oswald was shot.

3. Total time required was I ninute and 35 seconds.

Exhibit CC

A.

Lieutenants C. C. Wallace and P. G. claghren used

a stop watch checking time required to walk.from

entrance of Western Union to location of Lee Oswald

at time of shooting. Tine required was 1 minute.

and 15 seconds.

Bo. It requires 10 seconds or more to go from the desk

in the Western Union Office to the sidewalk outside

the office.

C.

Total time required ras I minute ard twenty-six

seconds,

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Vo

Time of Shooting

Ao... Patrolman Willie B. Slack (Attachment 91) called

dispatcher for doctor and ambulance.

lo

Dispatcher called O'Neal Funeral Home on

"Hot Lins" for ambulance.

(a)

Funeral home logged call at 11:21 a.m.,

November 24, 1963.

(b) Funeral Home advised dispatcher to radio

Ambulance 605 who was on the air.

2.

Dispatcher notified Ambulance 605 at 11:22 a no

Novenber 24, 1963. (Exhibit BB) (Exhibit DE)

B.

Staterents by Ruby - Attachment 90-

I.. To Lieutenents Jack Revill and F. I. Cornwall

that he sent a telegram at 11:16 and did not

speak to anyone in the basement prior to the

scooting-

2.

To Detective D. R. Archer (Attachment 2) •

"At this time P. I. Dean asked the suspect,

Ruby, "Jack, how did you get in the basement?'

Ruby replied, 'You guys'll never believe this,

but a little girl who works for me had called and

asked that I send her some money to Ft. Worth.

I had left my apartment, gone to Western Union

at liain and the Expressway, and wired her $25.00.

I laft there and noticed the crowd around the

City Hall. I walked up that way, thinking I

might get a chance to see Oswald. As I reached

the ramp that leads to the basement, I noticed

San Pierce pull up from the ramp in a black car.

The officer standing there turned to either

answer a question or say something to Sam. -I

don't know. As he did this, I walked down the

ramp'."

Mr. Forrest Sorrells of the U. S. Secret Service

nas believed to be present at the time this statement

was made to Sergeant Dean.

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3.

To Detective Bo S. Clardy (Attachment 17).

"hen asked why he shot

Lee Oswald, Ruby.

replied, "Somebody had to do it, Ya'll

couldn't'. He said it was & spur of the

moment thing and it was a million to one chance

that he got down there at the actual time Oswald

was brought down."

40

To Sergeant P. I. Dean (Attachment 27) •

"After Mr. Sorrells interrogated the subject I

questioned Ruby as to how he had entered the

basement and the length of time he had been

there. Ruby then stated to me in the presence

of Mr. Sorrells that he had entered the base-

ment through the ramp entering on Main Street.

He further stated that he would estimate his

total time as about 3 minutes before the

detectives brought Oswald into his view, then

he imnediately shot him (Oswald)."

5..

To Detective I. D. McMillon (Attachment. 74) •

Te talked to him when we got to the fifth

f100r. On the fifth floor ruby was asked how

he got to the basement. He raplied that he

came from the Western Union Office where he

wired a girl in Ft. Worth some money. He said

he san Rio Pierce drive out of the basement.

He walked past the policeman standing there.

He said a policenan hollered at hin, but he

dusked his head and kept going. He said that

he knew he could always act like a reporter.

He also said, 'Ya'll wont believe this, but I

didn't have this planned. I couldn't have

timed it so perfect.' He said just as he got

there, Oswald was coming out."

6. To Patrolman W. J. Harrison (Attachment 45)

"You all know ma, I'm Jack Ruby". One officer

asked him why he did it, and he answered 'I

hope I killed the S.O.B.I"

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VI. Car driven wrong way up Main Street Ramp.

A. Lieuterant, P. S. Pierce, Sergeant Putnam and

Sergeant. lazey were in car. (Attachments 85, 86

and 69.)

I. All statements state shooting occurred between

time car left Main Street Ramp and arrival at

Cormerce Street Ramp.

B.

Lieutanants C. C. Wallace and P. G. McCaghreh

interviered Mr. Fritz Kuler of KRID-TV. (Attach-

ment. 62) Mr. Kuler stated the video tape was

continuous.

The time recorded on the videó machine?

of elapsed time fron passage of Lieutenant Pierce's

car in front of the TV camera until the sound of the

shot was 56 seconds. This was checked twicee

VII. Officer P. E. Vaughn - Attachment 102~

A. Assigned to Main Street Ramp of City Hall.

B. Instructed by Sergeant P.. I. Dean to guard the

North. Rams-

C.

Officer Vaugkn questioned several people and acmitted

a city mechanic ard I reporter.

D. Steppad out into Nain Street to stop traffic and

allow Lieutenant. Pierce to make left turn onto Main

Street.

E. Saw formar Officer N. J. Daniels at Nain Street Ramp.

F.. Saw former shine-boy fron locker roon, Wilbert Ray

Jones. at. Main Street Ramp.

Go Polygraph test showed truthul answers on all pertinent

questions.

VIII. Statement of N. j. Daniels - Attachmant 23.

Ao. Saw man enter Main Street Ramp,

this he

after

Put*

guts

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B. Gave description of nan.

C.

Said man entered between himself and Officer

Vaugha and the officer looked at him but did not

stop him.

D. Polygraph test showed untruthfulness on all

pertinent questions that were answered.

IX. Statement of Wilbert Ray Jones - Attachment 57

Had gone to parking lot at Conmerce and Harwood at.

tine of shot,

xI.

Statenent of Reserve Officer W. J. Newnan -

Attachment 79•

Reserve Officer Newman saw someone running down tha

Main Street Ramp but could not definitely say the

time.

He beliaves it was about I minute before the

shooting.

Statement of Reserve Officer Sergeant Kenneth Croy j

Attachment 21.

This officer gives descriotion of nan he believes to

have been Jack Ruby, that was at foot of Main Street.

Pamp a while before the shooting. (Investigating.

Officers have determined that Robert Huffaker, KRLD-TV

newsman was in this area at the time, and his clothes

were identical to the clothing described by this

officer.)

XII. Statements of Detectives B. L. Beaty and J. Da.

Hutchinson - Attachments 4 and 52.

These tiro detectives were stationed at the double

doors leading into the City Hall from the basement

parking area for more then 10 minutes before the

shooting.

They both knew Jack Ruby and neither saw him

in the basement prior to the shooting. They say Ruby

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did not enter the basement area fron the double doors

fron the Jail Office of the Police and Courts Building-

XIII. Statenents of Sergeant Putnam, Reserva Captain Arnett

and Reserve Lieutenant McCoy. - Attachments 86, 3 and

These officers statements are regarding the search of

the basenent parking area and ramps and screening of

personnel in area.

XIV.

Newspaper article in Dallas Times Herald, sunday,

Decenter 8, 1903* Statements of Darwin Payne, David

Hugkes and Sergeant P. I. Dean. - Attachments 824g

50A and 27.

The article alleged that-a Dallas-Police Officer saw?

Jack-Ruby as he came down the Main Street Ramp.

Sergeant Dean denied the allegation and the statements

of the reporters and their notes show a presumption of

the fact not confirmed by the evidence.

Statement of Officer li. J. Harrison - Attachments

45 and 84-B.

Jack Rusy came from this officer's left side when he

plunged forward to shoot Oswald.

Polygraph test by Detective P. L. Bentley shows that

Officer Harrison did not see Puby prior to the exit of

Oswald fron the Jail Office and did not recognize Ruby.

until instant shot was fired.

XVI. Security check of newsmen who entered the basement.

All menbers of the press who were interviewed stated

their credentials were checked upon entering the base-

ment, or that they knew the officers personally that

adnitted them to the basement.

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XVII. Use of Press Pass by Jack Rubye

Ao. Statement by Eva Grant that she believed her

brother had a Press Pass. See Exhibit 39-A.

B. Statement by Mr. Thad Ricks (Attachment 90)

that no State Fair Pass was issued to Ruby.

C. Negative report from all officers and news

media regarding seeing Ruby with à Press Pass.

Do An introductory card was found in Rubj's auto-

mobile glove compartment from former Judge Glen

Byrd intruducing the bearer as Jack Ruby and

expressing appreciation for any help given

bearer. (In Property Room)

XVIII. Conclusion:

A. This investigative team beljeves that Jack Ruby

entered the Main Street ramp as the car driven by

Lieutenant Rio Pierce was leaving the basement.

Patrolman f. E. Vaughn was the only officer

guarding the Main Street ramp at this time, and he

had stepped into Main Street to halt traffic in

order that Lieutenant Pierca could make a left

turn onto Main Street.

C.

We also feel it should be noted that no officer

interviewed knew the time that Oswald was to be

brought to the basement. The car that was to be

used for the transfer was still in process of

basking into position when Oswald was led from

the Jail Office (Attachments 37 and 77)

The still pictures (Attachments 6-A and 53-1)

show many of the detectives tith their eyes on

Ostald at the noment of the shooting, and not

watching the viewers tino were across the North

Ramp and on the East side of the ramo

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The bright lights illunirating area for the IV-

cameras were centered on the area adjacent to

the Jail Office, making it difficult for the

officers who were facing the lights and cameras

to observe any movements originating from the

Northeast side of the rampe

D.

These officers had been instructed to form two lines

from: the Jail Office door to the vehicle to be used

for the transfer and to close in behind the

oner. (See Attachmenta log 16, 18, 1h, 52, 66, 18

and 104)

Eo

Exhibits 24-4, 43-A, GG & HH are sound films taken

fron video tape of the shooting.

F. Exhibit 84 is a silent film of the shooting-

The other members of this Unit, Lieutenants C. C. Wallace,

Jack Revill, f. I. Cornwall, P. G. McCaghren and Detective

". Mo Hart concur with the statements in this report.

Respectfully,

Jo

At alon

Inspector af

Police

W.R.WesthooR

W. R. Westbrook

Captain of Police

Safones

Jones

Captain of Police

JHS: nw

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TJFK F-568

BASEMENT

DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, DALLAS, TEXAS

MAIN

ST.

stormaze

JAIL

a-se-ene ance

ST.

COMMERCE

COMMISSION EXHIBIT No. 2179

211

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=JFK

INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE

entifying Information:

Name

DoN F. FiuseHE

Address 2321 GLOBE QUE

city/State DaLLAs, TELAS

Date of Birth

social Security

Physical Description:

Height 5'10"

Weight 180

Ethnic GrOuP CAU

5-569

099689

Date_ 6-7-7F

Place IN-smai AFFAis OFFIcE

(214) 327 5777-4

Telephone 070 4405-W

MOr S

Spouse

Children

ColoI Eyes BLUE Hair RED

Special Characteristics •

Isonal History:

3..

Present Employment: DPD (INSPIETIONAL SERVICES)

Address

ACADOUANTIRS BUS

Telephone_ 670 4405

b. Criminal Record

1. Arrests

2. Convictions

Additional Personal Information:

a. Relative (s) : Name_

Address

b. Area frequented:

c. Remarks:

Investigator

Ded Mint

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KENNEDY

SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS

Name

Don F. Flusche

Address

2321 Globe Avenue

Dallas, Texas

214 327 5777

Date 6 1 78

Time 1400

Place en the jos

214: 670 4405 (WOrK)

Interview: Interviewed Sgt. Flusche on the job today as he is as-

signed to the Inspectional Services Section of the Dallas Police

Department, at which time he advised he was standing alone on the

Main Street sidewalk diagonally across the street from the DPD

basement ramp. It was some time before noon and he observed

officer Roy vaughn, whom he knew, at the ramp's entrance on 11/24/6

The sergeant had his cruiser parked to the curb with

the right front door opened on to the sidewalk area. He was

listening to the Police Department radio

The was on duty). Althoug!

assigned to the "Northeast District" at the time, he was also

working as the Watch Commander and had driven to Main Street to

see. if he could see bee Harvey Oswald as he was moved to the Sher-.

iff's Office.

He stood there long enough to see (Lt.) Rio Sam

Pierce drive up the "in" ramp and Vaughn step towards the street.

He was still there when the obvious commotion told

him something was amiss in the basement.

The street was void of pedestrians in the downtown

Interviewes signature@e

Typed Signature

Jack Moriarty

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Flusche Interview.

Page two

in the downtown section on this sunday morning and he knows beyond

any doubt in his mind, that Jack ruby, whom he had known many years

did not walk down Main Street anywhere near that ramp.

Asked why he hasn't mentioned this before, he ad-

vised he did as soon as he found out what had happened. He im-

mediately notified his superior, Lt. Knox. He didn't hear any

more about it until yesterday talking with vaughn who asked him

to mention it to me.

Captain Jack Revill was present during this interview.

I accompanied the Captain and Vaughn to the basement

of this building where the LHO/Ruby scene is located and we

examined the scene carefully.

Close inspection reveals an alley separating the

Police Headquarters building and the next building and the ad-

joining building which ends the block. This last of third building

also houses (and did in 1963) the Western Union office used by

Ruby that Sunday morning. It is quite plausible that ruby - or

anyone else - could walk from the corner building (Western Union)

past the second building, turn left into the alley alongside the

Police Headquarters and enter the Dallas Police Department by

way of a side door, which leads to a stairway directly to the base-

ment area where the shooting took place.

While this possibility doesn't alter any facts, it's

an alternate route which could have been utilized by Ruby. and

would have made a much less conspicuous entry possible.

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Fleusche Interview

Page three.

The timing and the distance would be within feet

and seconds of the "ramp" version.

The

Sergeant

$

Main Street

+Officer

Vaughn

Police Headquarters

"old" building

Iamp

western

Union

"new" building

TO BASEMENT

(DOWN

1ST FLOOR HALL

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-JFK F-510

SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS

KENNEDY

Name Jack Revill

Address 5204 Elk Ridge Drive

Dallas, Texas

Date August 18, 1978Time 1:30 P.m

Place Dallas Police Headguarters

Interview: Captain Jack Revill was interviewed this date in

his office at Police Headquarters. Captain Revill is in charge

of the of the Internal Affairs Division of the Dallas Police

Department. In 1963 he was a lieutenant and was

assigned to

the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Special Service Bureau

under Captain Gannaway. On November 24, 1963 he was off duty

when Ruby shot Oswald but he was later assigned as part of the

team that investigated the killing of Oswald and how ruby had

gained entrance into the basement. He questioned Roy Vaughn

who was assigned to the ramp entrance and Blackie Harrison.

Both men took polygraph tests and passed. He. comments on Napolian

Daniels, who also took a polygraph but failed it. He believed

Roy Vaughn, who stated he didn't see Ruby enter the basement.

The possibility of Ruby having used the alley entrance to the

building was raised. Captain Revill stated

that he had covered

the ground with Jack Moriarty, and it is possible that Ruby

could have entered through the alleyway door. He further stated

that the door should have been locked but he wasn't aware if

it was or not. But the timing of the walk from the Western

Interviewer Signature

Typed Signature Albert Maxwell

Date transcribed 8-29-78

By: bE

Form

#4-A

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Jack Revill Interview

Page 2.

Union Office to the ramp or alley entrance would be about

the same. He also mentioned that a friend of Vaughn's,

a Sergeant Flusche, was on Main Street observing the area

and that he knew Jack Ruby and did not see Ruby enter the

basement via the ramp.

Captain Revill was questioned about JURE and at first

he could not recall the name. However, when Sylvia odio's

name was mentioned, he recalled that at

the time (1963) he

was getting information relative to Cuban activities in Dal-

las

from Nestor Castellanos, who was employed at the Hilton

Hotel. The

names of the JURE members were read to Captain

Revill

and he didn't recall having heard of them, but referred

me to Captain Tomlinson, the present head of the Dallas Po-

lice Department Intelligence Unit. He said that the files

from 1963 may have

been purged.

Questioned about Reverend Roy. Rushing, Captain Revill

recalled his name immediately but wasn't too familiar with

what was said in 1963 to the Warren Commission about Reverend

Rushing.

Revill was given a xeroxed copy of his statement, read

it and stated that

to the best of his recollection, the in-

formation is the same. He then gave me a business card which

was

given to him a couple of months ago by Reverend Rushing.

Captain Revill believes that Reverend Rushing is a con man.

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KENNEDY

INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE

Identifying Information:

Name W.P. GANNAWAY

Address 2520 Cross Draw Dr.

City/State Auctin

78231

Date of Birth

14-3-1916

Social Security

Date 5-30-78

Place OFFICE

Telephone 345- 250/

MOIS

Spouse

Children 3

930 Am

Physical Description:

Height

Weight

Ethnic GIoup

Color Eyes_

Hair

Special Characteristics

rsonal History:

3.

Present Employment:

State 1 Texas-

Address

4!! W 13 St

Telephone

512/345-2501

b.

Criminal Record

1. Arrests-

2. Convictions

Additional Personal Information:

a.

Relative (s): Name

Address

b. Area frequented:

Remarks:

Investigator

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6-23-78

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KENNEDY

SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS

Name

Date

Time 9:30 a

Address

7520 Cross Draw DIive

Texas ' 78731

512/345-2501

Place Office - 411 W. 13 St.

Austin, Texas

Interview: MI. Gannaway was interviewed by Staff Investigator

Joseph J. Basteri in his office at 411 West 13th Street, Austin,

Texas.

Mr. Gannaway is presently employed by the State of

Texas as the Planning Commissioner for their Criminal Justice

System.

He has been employed in this capacity since his retire-

ment from the Dallas Police Department on July 1, 1971. He en-

tered the department on June 10, 1937 as a police officer and

rose to the rank of Captain.

Gannaway very willingly discussed the conditions that

existed in Dallas during the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's. He

stated that in the early 40's a group from Chicago attempted to

penetrate the criminal scene in Dallas but they failed. Of this

group, he could only recall the names of Paul Labriolla, Mark

Lipsky, Marty ochs and Weinberg. This group, according to Mr.

Gannaway, were big time hoods with good connections. In short

time the District Attorney's office and the police department

began to arrest many of them. Sheriff Decker had rounded up a

group and drove them to the edge of town jith instructions for

Interviewer Signature

/ Doten

Typed Signature Joseph

Basteri

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Interview with W. P. Gannaway

Page 2.

them not to return. These criminals soon got the message

and they all fled Dallas.

About the time that this group at-

tempted to move into Dallas, Herbert Nolan was killed by a

planted bomb and Benny Binion fled Dallas. MI. Gannaway re-

marked that rumors around town were that Binion had put out

the contract and then fled. Mr. Gannaway stated that this was

not so, the reason Binion left Dallas was that this mob moved

in and Binion did not wish to oppose them. Although Ruby was:

in Dallas during this period, he was in no way attached to

this group. In fact, Gannaway stated that they would not even

speak to him.

After this group was chased out of Dallas, Paul Roland

Jones entered änd amateurly attempted to bribe Sheriff Guthrie

GANAWAY

in a vain effort to take over Dallas. Sawyer said that Jones

was in no way connected with this former group and definitely did

not put Jones in the same league. He classified Paul Roland

Jones and his associates as small time opportunists that had

no mob connections.

Gannaway stated that he could speak very knowledgeably

of events during this period as he was, as the Captain, in charge

of the Special Service Bureau which included the Vice Squad,

Narcotics Bureau, and the Intelligence, which supervised the

subversive

and radical groups. Gannaway stated that although

Dallas was a clean city he did not wish to imply that dallas

was completely free of any criminal activity. Gannaway explained

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Interview with w. P. Gannaway

Page 3.

that Dallas did have its share of gambling and bookmaking

action, and as such there had to be some sort of organiza-

tion. This organization was in no way similar to the family

type organization that exists in the east. In bookmaking, ex-

plained Gannaway, there would have to be some sort of national

syndicate influence to set the morning line and the spread

on any sportsaction. This was controlled by their own home-

grown criminals. Gannaway attributed the control of this gam-

bling operation to Joe Civello. Gannaway emphasized that there

was no question that Civello was the Don in Dallas as these

gamblers all bowed to him. Gannaway pointed out a man named

Joe Ianni as heading Civello's gambling operation. Carlos

T.

Marcello had on occasion visited with Joe Civello in Dallas.

Gannaway recalls that after the Appalacian Meeting, which Joe

Civello attended, upon his return to Dallas, Chief Hanson called

Civello into his office to explain his presence at that meeting.

Civello denied all knowledge of this affair. Chief Hanson dis-

missed the matter with a stern warning to Civello that the City

of Dallas did not appreciate this kind of element.

Gannaway places. Joe Campisi in the Civello camp.

He

termed Campisi as a small-time operator with only enough courage

to do small-time bookmaking. Gannaway terms Campisi as a per-

son who is afraid to be caught so consequently takes very little

risks in his gambling operation. Gannaway recollects a man

named Bosco had been arrested in a $500,000 bookmaking opera-

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Page 4.

tion. This was a lay-off parlor for all the bookies in the

Dallas area. During the surveillance of these premises, it

was noted that Joe lanni would pay frequent visits and that

Joe Campisi would visit it on occasions.

Gannaway pointed out that Joe Campisi had purchased

the Egyptian Lounge from John Brazil Grissaffi. He describes

Grissaffi as having the reputation of being

a very tough indi-

vidual and a "hit man.". He puts Grissaffi as a running mate of

Lois Green, who ran a loose-knit gang of criminals whose

main

objectives were burglaries of wholesale drug companies in order

to steal drugs. Gannaway states that this period was during

the war years where all shipping lanes were closed

to the drug

traffic. Consequently to fill up this void, Green and his mem-

bers would either hijack or burglarize these drug companies in

order to replenish the much-needed drugs. Eventually Dallas be-

came to be known as the hub of the drug traffic. The Green gang

was not as refined or organized as the Mafia

gang: Green would

supply needed money to a certain group in order that they could

engage in this sort of activity: In return, Lois Green would

receive a considerable share of their proceeds.

Within the

Green gang, he would have his own selected men to carry out any

necessary enforcement. Lois Green was later killed as he came

out of a nightclub with Jack Todd. Gannaway stated that al-

though Todd and Green were close friends, he always suspected

Todd of setting up Green. Gannaway mentioned that Jack Toda

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Interview with w. P. Gannaway

Page 5.

was a known safe cracker and he once locked him up for carry-

ing explosives as he was boarding a plane for New York. He

believes the type of explosives was nitro and the purpose was

either to blow up a safe in New York or to wire the explosives

to. an auto. Gannaway received this information through an in-

formant. To his knowledge, Gannaway does not believe Ruby and

Green were associated in any way. In fact,

eiTe

As the Commander of the Special Service Bureau, Gann-

away had first-hand information on all subversive and radical

individuals in the area. Intelligence reports would daily cross

his desk concerning these persons and he would always assign

men to check out these leads. Gannaway recalls that Agent

3I-DPD

Hosty of the FBI would make daily visits to his office and Gann-

I away would supply him with all this information. Gannaway ex-

plained that Hosty's assignment with the FBI was to supervise

subversive activities. Gannaway was. very proud of how his unit

had penetrated most of these groups. In fact, when he heard of

the President's visit he had dispatched men to Denton, Denis,

Waco and other areas to keep a closer watch of

radicals in

these towns. Gannaway, informed me that he was never told about

Lee. Harvey Oswald and was not aware of his existence prior to

the assassination. Gannaway stressed that more than certain

he would have had one of his men cover Lee Harvey Oswald had he

known of his presence in Dallas.

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Interview with i. P. Gannaway

Page 6.

his Men

ThiM

In the area of corruption within the

• Dallas Police

Department and if Jack ruby exerted any inflence with certain

members of the Dallas Police Department, Ganraway was very

strong regarding his thoughts on this subject

Gannaway stated

that I could not be speaking to a man more ini

formed on this

subject as he was due to the fact that he not only headed the

ice squad but also he was responsible, in 1948, for giving

birth to the Internal Affairs Division, whose

pnly function was

to supervise the conduct of police officers.

is Commander of

the Vice Squad, he issued orders. to the supervisors that he

expected strict control over these night clubs

and demanded

nat these places be clean of all hoodlums.

I

one character

was seen in these places he would let it slideby, but if there

were two or more then his men were instructed

lock them up.

and for some reason he

"felt he was not

sitable to run this type of business..

In face

Gannaway Ie-

rarked that he had received information that Ruby would enter

is club armed with a gun. At that time there was a technical

Idinance in Dallas to prohibit carrying a gun into a night club.

When Gannaway learned of this, he sent two men to arrest Ruby.

for the violation of this ordinance. Gannaw

Pointed out that

he had a tight control over the supervisors and

men in the

ice Squad and it wa

vice spud

Gannaway stated that the department did not have serious

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Interview with W. P. Gannaway

Page 7.

Girusel?

problems concerning corruption. The

biggest problens with

their members were "booze and broads."

Gannaway can't recall

of any man being dismissed from the department because of cor-

ruption and the Internal Affairs Division did investigate

this area thoroughly:

The interview ended with Mr. Gannaway pledging his

full support to the Committee, and he would welcome any further

interviews if needed.

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ALLNINY

009446

INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE

Identifying Information:

Name_v

AMES GILMORE

Date

5-26-78

Address 4018 Ridalia Counter Cul Dr Place BENBROOK PD.

City/State & FrtWorth

Telephone

Date of Birth 12/21724

MOIS

Social Security 293 16 5191

Spouse

Children.

Peijary

NONE:

130pM.

Physical Description:

Height

Weight

Ethnic Group

ColoI Eyes

Hair

Special Characteristics

Fsonal History:

a.

Present Employment:

Address

Telephone

b. Criminal Record

1. Arrests

2. Convictions

Chies z Police Beiron

Additional Personal Information:

a.

Relative (5) : Name

Address

b. Area frequented:

Remarks:

Investigator

Date

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Sophi of Dasteri

6-23-78

Form. #4-B

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KENNEDY

SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS

Name

James Gilmore

Date 5-26-78

Time 1: 30 p.

Address 4018 Ridglea Country Club Drivelace Office - Benbrook Police

Department

Fort Worth, Texas

Interview: Staff Investigator Joseph J. Basteri interviewed Mr.

Gilmore, who is now Chief of Police for the Benbrook Police Depart-

ment since his retirement from the Dallas Police Department. Ben-

brook is a town of approximately 15,000 residents and is located

just outside Fort Worth.

Chief Gilmore said that he knew Ruby quite well because

from the years 1954 to 1960 he was with the Vice Squad and as

such his duties were to pay frequent visits to dance halls and

- night clubs.. Gilmore entered the Vice Squad when he was promoted

to Lieutenant. Gilmore was familar with all of Ruby's clubs

and never knew.

them to be a hangout for hoods. Gilmore credited

Ruby with running a fairly legitimate night spot, abiding by all

the police department regulations. If any violations were ob-

served,

Ruby would be issued a summons like anyone else commit-

ting a violation.

These places were visited at least once a

night to make certain that there were no violations of the rules.

One point that Chief Gilmore wanted to emphasize

was that Ruby was not a constant visitor to police headquarters

as the papers had reported. Chief Gilmore stated Ruby only

Interviewer Signature

X sastere

Typed Signature Joseph J. Basteri

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Interview of James Gilmore

Page 2.

visited headquarters in order to take care of business matters

and for no other reasons.

Chief Gilmore did state that Ruby had once told him

that he was run out of Chicago because he had crossed

someone

up and had

twenty-four hours to leave town. Ruby did not ela-

borate on too many details but Gilmore surmised that he may

have been in some kind of bar business and he had done some-

thing wrong.. Gilmore did not believe that Ruby was connected

with any mob characters in the Dallas area. According to Gil-

more, the only gang members were Dallas-bred and no one from

the outside ever penetrated this group. Gilmore agrees that

the most notorious group was the Lois Green gang and Ruby

had positively no connection with them.

On November 24, 1963 Gilmore stated he was not on

duty but home watching the television and saw. Ruby shoot Os-

wald. Gilmore remarked that earlier he had seen Ruby in the

station house and when asked what he was doing there, Ruby Ie-

plied that he was going to see if the homicide detectives wanted

any sandwiches. Gilmore declared that he had nothing to do

with the transfer of Oswald. but heard that Captain Fritz wanted

the move to be made in the middle of the night but was opposed

by Mayor Cabell who wanted the transfer to take place in the

morning hours to please the press corps. Also, Captain Fritz

had once told Gilmore that if he did not have so many interrup-

tions he may have been more

successful in the interrogation of

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Interview of James Gilmore

Page 3.

LHO.

When

asked about the rumors that Ruby was afraid

of him, Gilmore replied that most of the night club owners.

did not care how strict he was in his inspection of their pre-

mises. Chief Gilmore explained that when he paid these es-

tablishments a visit, it was not a social call but to care-

fully examine their premises

for any violation. At times,

these owners objected, as they did not want him to pay too much

attention to their operation. He is also certain that several

arrests were made in Ruby's clubs and clearly remembers as a

police officer he had given Ruby

a ticket for a traffic in-

fraction. Gilmore remarked that even Joe Campisi complained

that he was too strict.

The interview ended with Chief Gilmore promising to

contact me if he can recall any incident that may be useful in

this investigation.

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KENNEDY

009413

INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE

Identifying Information:

Name Rio § PiERCE

Address RT #3

City/State ENNiS. TEXAS 25119

Date of Birth 7-26-23

" social Security 454-26-7994

Physical Description:

Height

55-9

Height

160

Ethnic GrOuP

Date 5-29-78

2PM

Place RESIDENCE

Telephone 214/ 325-3300

MOr S

Spouse Tritiy E.

Children 3

Color Eyes_

Hair

Special Characteristics

Lersonal History:

a. Present Employment: DEPT OF AGRICÜLTURE

Address: ENNIS, TEXAS

Telephone

b. Criminal Record

1. Arrests

2. Convictions

Additional Personal Information:

a. Relative(s) :

Name:

Address

b. Area frequented:

Remarks:

Investigator,

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BASTERI

5-24-78

Form

#4-B

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KENNEDY

SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS

Name - RiaS. Pierce

Address

Route #3

Date May 29, 1973 Time 2 PM

Place

residence

Ennis, Texas 75119

214 875 8300

Interview: Staff Investigator Joseph J. Basteri interviewed Rio

S. Pierce who entered the

Dallas Police Department in 1946 and re-

tired January 8, 1974. He is now employed part-time with the De-

partment of Agriculture.

MI. Pierce was a member of the Uniform Patrol Division

and on Sunday, November 24, 1963 was working from 7AM to 3PM. He

held the rank of Lieutenant and on that day supervised 8 to 10 men

and: 2 sergeants detailed to the basement and adjoining rooms. Mr.

Pierce then stated that he was then assigned the responsibility to

escort the armored truck out of the basement., Pierce explained that

there were two ramps in and out of the basement. The wain ramo was

the exit. The armored truck, which was going to be used as a decoy,

backed into Commerce Street, but because of its height could not

back completely into the basement causing the ramp to be blocked.

Pierce stated that he then decided to exit the Main Street ramp so

that he could get out and then back his car into the Commerce Street

ramp and place it in position in front of the armored truck. He

then proceeded to exit the Main Street ramp and in doing so he

Interviewer Signature

Typed Signature Josepa

Deeps of Barter.

J. Basteri

Date transcribed June 15, 1978

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Pierce Interview

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notieed. O. vaughn, whe was stationed at this ramp, taking

one of two steps off the sidewalk

and into the street to safely

direct him out into the traffic. Pierce, who was with two other

members of the force did notice several persons standing

at the

entrance of the ramp, but did not know if they werenaiting

there or just walking by and waiting for his car to pass them

so that they could continue to walk. Pierce stated he knew Ruby

and Napoleon Daniels, but did not see them. In fact, Pierce

remarked that he was not aware of who was standing at the

entrance because his concentration was to maneuver his vehicle

in front of the armored truck:

Pierce does recall Vaughn being

in the gutter and he was either motioning his hands of blowing

his whistle to stop the traffic in order for him to get out of

the ramp. After leaving the ramp, he drove to Harwood Street and

made a left to Commerce Street where he made another left turn.

Pierce then said that as he arrived at Commerce Street ramp, he

does not recall whether he parked the vehicle at the curb of backe

it into the Commerce Street ramp, but at about this time, they

were aware that something had happened inside the basement. They

immediately ran into

the basement. and leared what had happened.

After LHO had been taken to Parkland Hospital, Pierce decided

also to go there as a precaution for security

reasons. He was

not ordered to go there, but took the action as a supervisor.

He does not recall entering the hospital.

Pierce admits knowing Ruby from the late forties or

early fifties as the Silver Spur was on his post.

He described

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Pierce interview

Page three

Ruby as wanting to know people of influence, even if it was.

only a casual meeting. Pierce said that he would never be

afraid to go into any one of Ruby's places without a nightstick

or gun as ruby ran a place where one could not get hurt.

Pierce

did say that he would not trust ruby and always had the feeling

that he had something. to do with mob people, but could not prove

it. Pierce said he had the feeling that. Ruby did something wrong

to some Chicago bad guys and had to flee to Dallas. He denied that

Ruby had told him this, merely stating he just had that feeling.

Pierce believes that Dallas had no organized crime that had

eastern and northern influence. Pierce did state that Dallas did

have a criminal element, but he was never in a position to deter-

mine how organized they were. He stated that he was always as-

signed to the Uniform Patrol Division which made it very difficult

for him to make his own observations concerning the organization

of these groups. Pierce did say that from his own knowledge, he

did not believe Ruby was linked with these criminal elements.

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KENNEDY

009410

INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE

Identifying Information:

Name

JAMES HERBERT SAWYER

Address RT I Box. 1924

1 City/State FRIScO, TEXAS

Date of Birth 10/19/16

Social Security

Physical Description:

Height

Weight

Ethnic Group

Date 5-24-78

Place JAN'S COFFEE SHOP

3254 IRVINE

BLUD

Telephone

MOIS

Spouse

Children

Color Eyes

Hair

Special Characteristics

(sonal History:

a.

Present Employment: JAN'S COFFEE SHOP

Address

3254 IRVING BLUD DALLAS, TEXAS

Telephone 214/ 638-3692

b.

Criminal Record

1. Arrests

2.

Convictions

Additional Personal Information:

Relative (s): Name

Address

b. Area frequented:

Remarks:

Investigator

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KENNEDY

SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS

Name

James Herbert Sawyer

Date

5 24 78

Time

9: 30AM

Address at 1, 30x 192A

Frisco, Texas

Place 3254 Irving Boulevard

Dallas, Texas

Interview: Mr. Sawyer was interviewed by Staff Investigator

Joseph J. Basteri at his

restaurant, Jan's Coffee Shop, located

at 3254 Irving Boulevard, Dallas, Texas. He has owned and operated

this restaurant since his retirement from the Dallas Police Depart-

ment in 1967. Sawyer recalls that on November 22, 1963, he was

assigned to be in charge of a detail of men on the upper portion

of the Presidential Motorcade. A few minutes after the President

had passed him, he heard over the radio that shots were fired from

the Texas School Book Depository. Sawyer, who held the rank of

Inspector, immediately rushed to this building and had it secured.

He then organized a group of law-enforcement officers from the

Dallas Police Department, FBI, Secret Service and the Sheriff's

Office instructing them to find witnesses and possible suspects.

These witnesses were brought to the Sheriff's office where affi-

davits were taken: Sawyer had also sent a team to search the rail-

road yards as there were reports that shots may have come from

that direction and also it was good investigative procedure to

cover all surrounding areas. He recalls his men finding the three

Interviewer Signature

four Bir

leu

Typed Signature

Jaseph

Basteri

Date transcribed _6 15

79

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Sawyer Interview

Page two

hobos

in a box car. Sawyer did not personally interrogate these

men, but said that they did look. like hobos. Sawyer did remark

that a few years ago a writer had called him challenging several

details of a photo he saw of the police officer escorting the

three hobos. The writer was puzzled as to the type of shoes, gun

and a hearing device the police

officer had. Sawyer's answer to

the writer was that the hearing device was in fact cotton for an

ear infection the police officer had. This fact was documented

by. Staff Investigator Harold Rose. The only requirement the DPD

makes as to shoes is that they must be black and this officer was

wearing black shoes. Lastly, DPD requires only that officers must

be armed with a 38 calibre or more gun. This officer was armed.

with a 45 automatic which is not an uncommon weapon for Dallas

police officers. This police officer was later identified

i as

Marvin Wise.

Although Sawyer was picked to head the unit investi-

gating the operational security

involving the transfer of Lee

Harvey Oswald, he had very little to do with it as he was hospi-

talized a week after it was formed. Sawyer did state that he was

kept well apprised of the progress of the investigation and did

assist Captain Baker who prepared the final report on the conclusion

of the investigation. Sawyer had received periodic information

from his men and after reading all reports submitted concerning

the investigation, he was positive that the shooting of Lee Harvey

oswald by Jack ruby was not planned because of the following

reasons:

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Sawyer Interview

Page three

1. Ruby was. told by Karen "Little Lynn" Bennett to

mail her the western Union money order by 1l aM on

November 24th:

2. Ruby was attracted by the crowd he saw milling out-

side the Main Street Iamp.

3 .

The armored car got stuck in the Commerce Street ramp

forcing It. Pierce's auto to exit out Main Street ramp

4 .

against traffic, causing Police Officer Roy Vaughn to

leave his post momentarily enabling Ruby to enter the

basement through the unguarded ramp.

Ruby had entered the basement at almost the precise

moment that Oswald was brought down. According to

Sawyer, there was no way that Ruby could have timed

this so perfectly: as no one knew the exact time Oswald

would be brought down. Sawyer stated that to his

knowledge no one had objected to this unit being

formed and it was terminated only after the investiga-

tion had been fully completed.

As a Lieutenant, Sawyer was in charge of the Vice

squad and as such came to know Ruby quite well. He had heard

rumors that Ruby was connected with mob figures while in Chicago,

but nothing has ever come to his attention to prove this runor-

Sawyer had, also heard that Ruby had to leave Chicago because of a

dispute he had with the Chicago mob. Sawyer further stated that.

he was not aware that any organized criminal element exerted any

strong influence in the city of dallas. The only group, to his

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sawyer Interview

page four

knowledge, that could be loosely classified as organized crime

was. the Lois Green outfit. Dallas, continued Sawyer, was rela-

tively a clean town with the minimum of crime or corruption.

Sawyer admits that in the late thirties and in the early forties

Dallas had more than its share of slot machines, bookie parlors,

gambling establishments and a certain part of the city was desig-

nated as the "red light district."

With the advent of World War Iwo, Dallas was deemed

off limits by the armed services until the city fathers could

clean up the city. Carl Hanson was appointed Chief of Police

and he formed a Special Service Bureau to clean up the vice,

narcotics

and gambling that was flourishing in the city. George

Lumpkin was the captain in charge of this unit. Sawyer was a

lieutenant in heading the vice squad under Lumpkin. During this

clean-up campaign, which took several years to fully clean up

Dallas, Sawyer stated that in no way was. Ruby's name ever linked

with this criminal element. Sawyer attributed the control of

gambling, in the forties, in the control of Benny Binion, Harry

Urban and Lloyd Sinclair.. Lois Green and his group were known

to concentrate mostly on

safe jobs, narcotics and prostitution.

They would frequently meet in the office of Harry Hoxsey, and Sawyer

always suspected that these meetings were to discuss

narcotics

and fencing stolen property.

Sawyer had informed me that he had set up the In-

telligence Unit for the Dallas Police Department and also insti-

tuted a filing system to properly record all pertinent facts.

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Sawyer Interview

page five

One of the

functions of this office was to arrange a system where

police officers would not list their informants by name, but

numbers would be assigned to the informant....It was against a

police officer's principle to reveal the name of his informant as

such. Sawyer stated that it would be difficult to say if Ruby had

been an informant as there would be no official record of it.

Sawyer said he had heard that Ruby had passed on information to var-

ious police officers, but the information received was of little

importance.

Sawyer remarked that Ruby had come to Dallas in

the late forties and during this period the clean-up of dallas was

almost complete. Ruby's name never came up at any time with regard

to Ruby's having ever been connected or associated with these crim-

inal figures. Sawyer always considered Ruby as a small time night

club operator who would have loved to have persons think he was more

important than he was. Ruby's places, as well as other night spots,

were well supervised by the vice-squad, and it never came to his

attention that Ruby had made bribe payments to any Dallas police

officer.

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SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS

NAME

DON RE

Archer

Date, +8/24/78

Tine

1700

Address 2035 San Francisco

Place

Dallas, Texas: 75228

Phone:

Interview:

214-321-5922 (H-non-pub.

748-9711, x571

(Was positioned several feet behind Lee Harvey Oswald, having

been assigned to the Auto Theft Unit as a detective at the timel

LHO was escorted off the elevator at the basement level and

walked past Archer, who was standing to LHO's right guarding an

inner doorway. He watched IHO proceed into the strong array of

lights and saw a man emerge from the line of detectives on LHO's

left, heard Ino say:

"Oh, no!" -- and the shot was fired as LHO

looked directly at the assailant who he (Archer) thought must have

been a plainclothes policeman. ("We all wore hats in those days.")

He and McMillon and Clardy were among the first to grab the

man and the weapon. On the floor, he said:

"I'm Jack Ruby," and

Archer didn't recognize the name at the time. Henever dideknow

him personally, but had known a man by that name ran one of the

local clubs.

As he held Ruby's hands behind him, Iom (McMillon) cuffed his

wrists and Clardy, joined the escort back to the elevator. Archer

lingered long enough to take a close look at lHo and left with

the impression he was dead or dying.

Interviewer

(Signature)

Maxwelt/J. Moriarty

(Typed)

Date Transcribed

:8/29/78/am

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It. Don R. Archer Interview...page 2

Placed in the cell upstairs, he made remarks to the effect he:

had done what they (the P.D.). could not have done.

Stripped to his undershorts, he then began arlitany ofesele

serving statements such as sudden passion caused him to shoot

him - he had done it on the spur of the moment.

Archer thought

It sounded as though he had been coached by an attorney.

Ruby asked. foLand-feceived cigarettes which he consumed

chaisfashion. There was no animosity towards the three detectives

in the cell with him most of the time. At no time was he alone

in the cell. From time to time one or two detectives stepped

from the cell to answer the phone of some such temporary errand.

+ About 1+05sp:m. Forrest Sorrels and sct bean came to the

cell area and Archer walked to the far side of the interior of

the cell to speak to them out of earshot, but still keeping LHO

under close

observation. Informed of the time and doctor (LHO had

succumbed), Sorrels suggested he (Archer) advise Ruby.

iprised to observe thes mediate calming:

sEfect

aby. The laborious breathing improved and he was.

obviously relaxed for the firstitime. Offered another cigarette,

he declined, saying: "I don't

smoke," and he didn

from

that

as Archer coute

determine).

time on (as

More in the sense of competition than malice, Ruby told him:

"I was going to shoot him three times, but you guys were too

quick for me."

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It. Don R. Archer Interview.. page 3

# Archer doest recallasking Rubysjust how he gotzinethe:

building, but still remembers his impression was he seemed to have

come: Eronathe:Cömmerce: Street, side.

Asked specifically about this, he advised he had not been

in a position to see anyone on either ramp -- he was much too far

back in the inner hallway. It was the manner in which he came

through the crowd of newsmen.

"Just didn't seem like he came from

my left - unless he made a big turn." He drew a diagram depicting

the ramp section of the basement and showing how Ruby appeared --

projected the line indicating "the big turn" if Ruby had not come

from the right part.

He furthertadvised-he-wasn'traware.@elevatoriordoors

on far side-of-this basements.Fe, Tike most=of his fellow workersa

never had occasion to.use this partof the bafiding?

Ita Archer expressed disappointment when he examined his

transcribed Statement He declined to signina smuchrasithe changes

Thad the effect of notequite conveying the thought.

Advised the corrections would be made, he returned the second

time to find the minor adjustments made still did not correct the

different impression the statement seemed to make.

Considering

the fact that a stenographer plus a recorder had

been utilized, he didn't think inaccuracies were justified under

any circumstances.

Called to the Chief's office following his second refusal, he

was advised to return again inasmuch as the proper corrections

had been made.

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Lt. Don R. Archer Interview...page 4

= The lastatrip revealed thestranscription Still left something

to be destred? He-insisted on initialing these items, butswas

allowed tagonly

by usinga pencile not intink:

•

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part

leas

RGENT: 12-20-53 437 PM CST

MH

DIRECTOR

44-24016

ROt

SAC

DALLAS 44-1539

' :

ACK L

RUSY, AKA/ LEE HARVEY OSWALD, VIC, CR. 00 DALLAS

UTEL FIVE TWENTYFIVE PM, DEC EIGHTEEN.

N

NAPOLEON SY

DANIELS REINTERVIEWED DEC EIGHTEEN AND

FURNISHED SUSSTANTIALLY THE SAME INFO AS WHEN PREVIOUSLY

TEXAS

INTERVIEWED. DANIELS RECALLED HE WAS STANDING NEAR THE CURB

FACING THE CITY HALL BUILDING WHEN THE MAN, PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED,

WALKED BETWEEN HIM AND THE BUILDING AND THEN DOWN THE MAIN

STREET RAMP. DANIELS ALSO ADVISED THAT THE DALLAS PD HAS

INTERVIEWED HIM SINCE BEING INTERVIEWED SY BUAGENTS, AND HE

VOLUNTARILY SUBMITTED TO POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION BY PD EX-

AMINER. RESULTS OF EXAMINATION NOT KNOWN TO HIM.

OFFICER ROY EUGENE

MAGHU TERMEDED ET DETAIL DECE

NINETEEN CONCERNING ACTIONS.

• AMD OBSERVATIONS SHORTLY PRIOR TO

PIERCE LEFT

REC- 31

MAIN ST.

Dor

"THICLE BEARING MAXEY, PUTNAiL,

AND

UP TO TIME OF SHOOTING IN BASEMENT.

SDEC 27196347

8226-

VAUGHN STATED -

22 CEC 24.196?

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PAGE 2 DL 44-1539

TE WALKED TO MAIN ST. CURS ON THE EAST SIDE OF RAMP EXIT,

VALKED IN A DIAGONAL DIRECTION FROM HIS POSITION IN CENTER

OF RAMP WHICH WAS ABOUT ONE YARD INSIDE BUILDING LINE. STATES

tE CAREFULLY WATCHED EXIT DURING THIS TIME AND AFTER WAV-

ING ON POLICE VEHICLE IMMEDIATELY RETURNED TO POSITION IN

¿ENTER OF RAMP. STATED WHEN CAP DROVE OUT RAMP HE WAS CONCERNED

ONLY WITH EASTBOUND TRAFFIC ON MAIN ST. AND AT NO TIME LOOK-

I"G, TO THE EAST AS HE WAS NOT CONCERNED WITH WESTBOUND TRAFFIC.

ES HE DID NOT WALK INTO STREET AND IS CERTAIN THAT NO ONE

ENTERED RAMP DURING TIME HE ASSISTED THE VEHICLE LEAVING

RAMP OR AFTER HIS RETURN TO MIDDLE OF RAMP. STATES HE WOULD

PROBABLY NOT RECOGNIZE RUSY IF HE SAW HIM, ADVISING NINETEEN

SIXTYONE WAS LAST TIME HE SAW RUBY.

DEC TWENTY DALLAS POLICE DEPT FURNISHED RESULTS OF

POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION GIVEN VAUGHN NOV TWENTYEIGHT AND DANIELS

DEC ELEVEN LAST BY POLYGRAPH EXAMINER P. L. BENTLEY /NA/,

DETECTIVE, DALLAS PD, ALONG WITH EVALUATION OF ANSWERS.

THESE RESULTS ARE SET FORTH IN MEMOS TO MR. J. E. CURRY,

CHIEF OF POLICE, DALLAS, FROM BENTLEY AND STATES THAT THE

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SAGE 3 DL 44-1539

¡EMOS CONTAIN THE PERTINENT QUESTIONS ASKED DURING THE EX-

IMINATIONS.

THE MEMO RE VAUGHN CONTAINS THE FOLLOWING DATA --

'A POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION WAS GIVEN ROY E. VAUGHN /M TWENTY-

EIGHT/ AT THE REQUEST OF DEPUTY CHIEF N. T. FISHER. THIS

EXAMINATION WAS GIVEN ON NOV TWENTYEIGHT LAST. BELOW IS

* LIST OF PERTINENT QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED DURING THIS

• MINATION.

ONE. DID YOU SEE JACK RUBY NEAR THE MAIN ST. ENTRANCE

OF THE CITY HALL BETWEEN NINE THIRTY AM AND ELEVEN THIRTY AM

LAST SUNDAY MORNING. ANSWER - NO.

TWO. DID YOU ALLOW JACK RUBY TO ENTER TRE BASEMENT OF

THE CITY HALL LAST SUNDAY MORNING. ANSWER - NO.

THREE. DID YOU TALK WITH JACK RUBY LAST SUNDAY MORNING.

ANSWER - NO.

FOUR. DID YOU ALLOW ANYBODY TO ENTER THE BASEMENT OF

"HE CITY HALL LAST SUNDAY MORNING THAT DID NOT SHOW. YOU

ROPER IDENTIFICATION OTHER THAN THE TWO MEN YOU TOLD CHIEF

FISHER ABOUT. ANSWER - NO.

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TIDENT. ANSWE? - NO.

HAVE YOU TOLD CHIEF FISHER THE COMPLETE TRUTH REGARDING

'HIS INCIDENT. ANSWER - YES.

IT IS THE OPINION OF THIS EXAMINER THIS PERSON ANSWERED

ACH OF THE QUESTIONS WITH THE TRUTH. M

THE LETTER RE DANIELS CONTAINS THE FOLLOWING DATA -

"AT THREE TEN PM, DECEMBER ELEVEN LAST, A POLYGRAPH

XAMINATION WAS GIVEN TO N.Y. DANIELS.

THIS EXAMINATION WAS GIVEN TO DETERMINE IF MR. DANIELS

AS TELLING THE TRUTH IN THE STATEMENT HE HAD GIVEN.

DURING THE PRE-TEST INTERVIEW WITH MR. DANIELS, HE

TATED THAT HE WAS SURE THE PERSON HE STATED HE HAD SEEN ENTER

'HE CITY HALL BASEMENT WAS NOT JACK RUBY. HE STATED THAT KE

SHOWN A PICTURE OF JACK RUBY AND THAT RUBY DID NOT LOOK

•IKE

THE PERSON HE STATED THAT HE HAD SEEN. HE WAS VERY

ONFUSED DURING THIS INTERVIEW AND STATED HE WAS NOT SURE OF

NYTHING IN HIS STATEMENT. HE ALSO STATED THAT HE FELT LIKE

HE SQUAD HE SAW COME OUT OF THE BASEMENT HAD ENOUGH TIME TO

¡ET TO THE COUNTY JAIL BEFORE THIS PERSON ENTERED. THE BASE-

LENT OF THE CITY HALL:

L LINE S SHOULD BE

- DANIEL

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'AGE: 5

DL 44-1539

HE WAS THEN PLACED ON THE POLYGRAPH AND THE FOLLOWING

ERTINENT QUESTIONS WERE ASKED AND ANSWERS GIVEN.

ONE. •HAVE YOU TOLD THE COMPLETE TRUTH IN INE STATEMENT

OU GAVE. ANSWER YES. INDICATION FALSE.

TWO. HAVE YOU DELIBERATELY MADE UP ANY OF THIS STORY.

NSWER NO. INDICATION FALSE.

THREE. DO YOU THINK THE PERSON YOU STATED YOU SAW ENTER

BASEMENT AT THAT TIME WAS JACK RUBY. ANSWER NO. INDI-

N TRUE.

FOUR. DID YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE PERSON YOU DESCRIBED

ONE FROM THE DIRECTION OF THE WESTERN UNION. ANSWER YES.

NDICATION FALSE.

FIVE. DO YOU THINK THIS PERSON ENTERED THE BASEMENT OF

HE CITY HALL AFTER THE SQUAD DROVE OUT. DID NOT ANSWER THIS

UESTION.

SIX. HAVE YOU SEEN THE PERSON YOU DESCRIBED IN YOUR

TATEMENT AROUND THE CITY HALL BEFORE: DID NOT ANSWER THIS

JESTION.

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(

5

DL 44-16.39

SEVEN. HAVE YOU GIVEN A TRUE DESCRIPTION OF THE PERSON

OU STATED YOU SAW ENTER THE BASEMENT OF THE CITY HALL.

INSWER YES. INDICATION FALSE.

. EIGHI. DID YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE PERSON YOU DESCRIBED

NTER THE BASEMENT OF THE CITY HALL.

ANSWER YES. INDICATION

ALSE.

NINE. DID YOU GET A GOOD LOOK AT THIS PERSON.. ANSWER

ES. INDICATION FALSE.

MOST OF THE ABOVE QUESTIONS WERE REPEATED ON OTHER

HARTS WITH THE SAME ANSWERS GIVEN AND SAME INDICATIONS

STED. "

PEINTERVIEWS AND DL PD INVESTIGATION WILL BE INCLUDED

* LATER REPORTS. NO POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION VAUGHN OR DANIELS

/ BUAGENTS CONTEMPLATED UACB.

13U THRU YES OK

JACK PLS • WA

15 PM OK FBI WA LLD

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PHONE PROJECT

Index of Exhibits

September 26, 1978

JFK #

Identification

F-545

Jack Ruby - Toll Calls, 1963

Blow-up

F-546

Computer print-out of Ruby telephone

calls

F-448

Memorandum, dated February 24, 1964,

from Hubert and Griffin to Willens of

Warren Commission staff, re: telephone

F-590

Memorandum, dated April 4, 1964,

from Hubert and Griffin to willens of

Warren Commission staff

F-591

Warren Commission staff memorandum,

dated

May 14, 1964, re: Adequacy of ruby

Investigation

E-592

Warren Commission staff memorandum,

dated June 1, 1964, re: Adequacy of Ruby

Investigation

F-593

Memorandum, dated June 1, 1964, from

Hubert and

Griffin to willens of Warren

Commission

staff

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JACK RUBY - TOLL CALLS - 1963

No. of Calls

130

120

110

100

90

80

70

09

50

40

30

20

10

All Calls

AOVA

APR

Suspicious

+ + 90 19-77 PA 7 M177.97, 71 FRAI 177.00

MAY

JUNE

JULY

AUG

SEP

•OCT

NOV

JFK

F-545-

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DATE

05/12/63

06/27/63

08/02/63

08/02/63

08/04/63

08/19/63

08/20/63

08/22/63

10/26/63

10/30/63

11/07/63

(g//

TIME CALL

PLACED•

12:07.

21:13

14:12

DURATION

OF CALL

006 MIN

007 MIN

006 MIN

003 MIN

. 005 MIN

001 MIN

002 MIN

007 MIN

' 012 MIN

OI MIN

017 MIN

TELEPHONE.NO

PLACING CALL

THUNDERBIRD

SUMMARY OF TELEPHONE

CALLS

PERSON

CALLED

MCWILLIE LEWIS

MCWILLIE LEWIS

THUNDERBIRD

THUNDERBIRD

THUNDERBIRD

THUNDERBIRD

THUNDERBIRD

WEINER IRWIN

WEINER

TROPICAL COURT

CARCUSEL CLUB

623

-JFK-F-546

TYPE

CALL

STATION

AUDIT

NUMBER

7702 FR

STATION 7702 FR

STATION 7703 FR

STATION . 7703 FR

STATION 7701 FR

SUBSCRIBER

R172362

CAROUSEL CLUB

1312 1/2 COMMERCE ST

DALLAS TX

RI72362

CAROUSEL CLUS

1312 1/2 COMMERCE ST

DALLAS TX

R172362

CAROUSEL CLUB

1312 1/2 COMMERCE ST

DALLAS TX

RI72362

CAROUSEL CLUE

1312 1/2 COMMERCE ST

DALLAS TX

WH15601

JACK

RUBY

223 S EWING APT 207

DALLAS TX

JACK RUBY

223 $ EHING APT 207

DALLAS TX

STATION 7701 FR

WH15601

JACK

FUEr

223 $ EHING APT 207

DALLAS TX

STATION 7701 FR

WH15601

JACK RUBY

223 S EHING APT 207

DALLAS TX

PERSONAL 7707 FR

R172302

CAROUSEL CLUB

1312 1/2 COMMERCE ST

DALLAS TX

STATION 7708 FR

RI72362

CAROUSEL CLUB

1312 1/2 COMMERCE ST:

DALLAS TX

PERSONAL 7711 FR: RA34031

ROBERT B BAKER

AUDIT

NUMBER

7843

7343

7843

784÷3

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DATE

11/08/63

11/08/63

TIME CALL.

PLACED

DURATION

OF

CALL

TELEPHONE.NO

PLACING

CALL

41.

SUMMARY OF TELEPHONE

CALLS

PERSON

CALLED

TYPE

CALL

AUDIT

NUMBER

AUDIT

NUNGER

16:47

004 MIN EDEN ROC HOTEL

DUSTY MILLER

PERSONAL 7711 FR

17:22

014 MIN

BAKER ROBERT

STATION 7712 FR

SUBSCRISER

5900 SHERIDAN ROAD

CHICAGO IL

R172362

CAROUSEL CLUB

1312 1/2

COMMERCE ST

DALLAS TX

RI72362

CAROUSEL CLUB

1312 1/2 COMMERCE ST

DALLAS TX

7843

7843

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Rut

February 24, 1964

MITMORANDLEA

1O:

Ht. Howard P, Millens

FROM:

Mr. Leon D. Hubert

Mr. Burt ". GrIffin

SUBJECT: Author Telephone Records to be Obtained for the commission.

In furtherance of your conversation with ir. Griffin on February

20th and our joint memorandun of February 19, the followirg steps are

suggested to be taben as soon as possible for obtaining and preserving

telephone reoords which nay be pertinent to the work of this Countssion.

Some of the suggestions nay Imposa burdens upon private parties

which are not justified by the possible results to be obtained. If so,

they should be rejected and the reason for such rejection recorded in

order to assure future critios that such efforts vere carefully can-

sidered.

Paragraphs one, tro and three seek telephone numbers of phones

"reasonably available" to Ruby plus records of calls placed fron phones

under Ruby's direct control.

Paragraph four seels telephone numbers of all phonea reasonably

available to certain persons.

Paragraph five neels only phones. listed to of under the control

of certain people.

Paragraph six to ten are designed to lay a basis for further

Investigation.

1. The FBI should irmediately obtain the telephone numbers, names

o1 subscriber, location and type of service of all phones reasonably

avallable to Jack Faby. "Reasonably available" should include, but not

be linited to, aubscriber and pay telephones at the 1l1 fight Parking

Gurage,

Adolphus Hotel, the Esptian Lounge, Phil's Delicatessen,

Cabana biotel, Sol's Turf Bar, Dallas City Hall and Jail, Dallas Morning

News, Radio Station KLIF, together with ary pay phones within reasorable

walking distance of said places or any other places which ruby frequented.

Nunvers and infornation concerning phones "reasonably available" to faily

In Dallas may be obtained by personal contact with subscribers ur the

telephone company... Information as to phones avallable outside Dallas

should not involve contact with non-residents of Dallas.

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Hr. Howard P. Nillens

February 2, 1904

2. The FBI should immediately obtain with respect to Jack Ruby,

for the period lugust 1 to November 25, 1963, coples at all original

telephone company records bearing upon the dates, time, length of call,

calling number, billing number, person calling and number called with

respect to all telephone callo (including local calls) utilizing any

telephone listed to Jack Ruby or any of his Clubs, Including pay phones

on or near the premises. If the telephone company has no records which

sould provide Information concerning local calls, the FBI should so

state.

It 19 unnecessary at thia point to obtain call racorde fron all

phones

"reasonably available to Bulby" sinoe analysis of calls fron such

phones would be impossiblo without further Infornation. However, we

contemplate that: 1f we establish a list of suspected intermediaries

betreen Puby and Oswald, It sould be valuable to cheel: telephones

"avallable" to Ruby against calls to the "Intermodiaries".

In addition,

it may be valusble to exanine recordo of telephones llated to or used

regularly by suspected "intermediaries" for calls to phones "available"

to ruby.

3.

With respect to all records requested in paragraph tro, the

FBI should indicate in 1t8 report what telephone company personnel vere

questioned, the questions asked and the answers received, In all investi-

Eations which vere conducted, so that It may be determined that the

recorda obtained are camplete and accurate.

We believe that the method

of searching for records must be detailed since telephone Information

forwarded so far has been spotty and inaccurate.

hi, To the extent not already provided, the FBI should be requested

to obtain for the Commisaion a l1st of all telephones (but sot call

records) reasonably available to the fallowing persons since March 1, 1263:

Andrew. Armstrong, 3821 Dickson Cirale, Apartment C, Dallas, Texas.

Karen Bennett Carlin, aka Karen Bennett Karlin, aka "Little Ivan",

3509 Meadowbrook, Fort Worth, Texes.

Bruce Carlin, aka Bruce Karlin, 3807 Mesdowbrook, Fort Worth, Texas.

Marion (aka Harian) Rubenstein Carroll, 1044 1. Loyala, Chicago, Ill.

Elleen Rubenstein Kaninsky, 6724 N. Talman, Chicago, Illnois

LeNa J. Malillie, Las Vegas, Nevada

Lyman Rubenstess, 1044 H: Loyala, Chicago, IllInois

Sar (Rubenstein) Ruby, 11616 Jamestown Boad, Dallas, Texas.

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February R, 1994

Barl (Hubenstein) Ruby, 27925 Woodland Drive, Southfleld, Michigan

Eva Rubenstein (Jag1d) Grant, 3929 Balling, Dallas, Texas.

Ralph Paul, Arlington, Texas

c/o Bert Downan, Copoland Road, irlington, Texas (Lonc)

Podouli's Restaurant, Arlington, Texas (accese)

John W. Jackson, 1602 Browning, Alington, Texaa (secesa)

Bull Pen Drive In, 1936 East Abran, Arlington, Texas (business)

Anne Rubenatein Valpert, 101, F. Loyola, Chicago, Illinois.

The date March 1 is chosen because it establishes a safe nargin

With respect to each

of the above persons, the FBI should provide numbers, to the extent

possible, not only of hane telephones but nearby pay phones, telephones

of any busineases in which the Individual 1s employed, telephones of

business partners or other similar close business associates, telephones

of frlands and relatives vialted frequently, and telephones at restaurants

and other businesses which the Individual is know to frequent.

For each

telephone the FBI ahould Indicate the type of service (pay phone, sub-

scriber phono, linited sarvice telephone), name of subscribar, location

of phone, and

reason for concluding the plone san accessible to the

individual under investigation.

This information should be obtained

primarily by examining records which will not involve personal contact

with persons outside of the telephona companias and without communicating

the names of suspects to persons outside the FBI.

We reallre that such

a neans of investigation w1ll not provide a complete anower to our questions,

but me believe other nodes of inquiry mould be unwise at this time.

to each individual under Investigation, the FBI roport slioula indicate

what sources were checked and that other Information as to possibly accessible

phones night be available by direat contact vith individuals.

5. The FBI should obtata frun a telephone compary records cheax

the personal, family and business phones of the folloming persona

Barney Baker, 5900 SherIdan Road, Chicago, Illnois (hame)

Chicago Loop Auto Refinishing Co., Ino.

3216 Souta Shiolas ive., Chicago, Ill. (business)

Curtis LaVerne Crafard, aka Larry Crafard (including phones available

to hụ on h1a "Night Iron Dallas to Michigan).

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Mr. Moward P. Millena

February 24, 1904

San Gordos, 755 Crescoat Drive, Pala Springs, Calit.

Alex Gruber, 5222 I, Olypic, Ios Angeles, Calli, (WE 5-1082)

Frank Goldstein, 640 Terosita Boulevard, Sen Francisco, Calif

(NU 7-7574)

(SU: 1-7343)

Lavrence layers, 3250 N. Into Shore Driva, Chleago, Illinois (120003)

ETo Ufg. GD., 714 Heat lonroe, Chicago, Ill, (business)

Boy Willlen Pike, aba Hakey Byao, 2341 Cannestiout Lans, Apt, C.,

Dalles, Texas

Anesi Viberto, Cbicago, 11117018

¡ario Umberto, Chicago, Ill1ro1a

Ade Feinstein, 1102) Vestmora Cirale, Dallas, Texas.

6. The FBI should confer ith the appropriate officials af telephone

compendes in Chioago, Dallas, Detroit, New York, San Franciaco, Lus

Argeles, and New Orleans to determine what news, If any, are avallable

far obtairing infarmation as to incoming long distanos telophone calls to

any particular munbor 1f the name of the caller is nincan.

It is con-

ceivable, for cramlo, that connecting or trunk-line telephone sorriers

riay have sulcantic recording dovices ahich record tha calling exchange

and the dialed mrner with respect. to calla which they trmonit. Or, 1t

aay be that most telephona companies la largo cities are not so fully

autonated that mich Information 1s contalned on their Ild cards and tbese

Ill carde could be run through a computer or otber derice for every

telephose subscriber la the aroa so that such information could bo derived

mechanically ultut undue expense or personal effort. Infomation as to

city or telephone campany Iron tich a long distance call originated could

conceivably be veningi in light of other data which fe nave.

•7. The FBI should cosier with telephone compary afficials ai eech

company surving Juak Ruby and the persons listod In paragraph four and

fivo. to asoertain li that compary has any means of providing inioration,

concerning local calls to or froz the phones of those persons.. Even ir

no rocords are maintained by such compandes in the ardinary course of

visiness, 1t may be that cortain electronis, nachanical or other entries

are routinely inde either by talephone tronamitting equiment or in

connection with business records ordinarily maintained by the telephone

company ao that by careful examination of such dada information con-

ceming local telephone actirity on a particular telaptone could be

obtained. To thaterer extont Information can be obtained concerning

local telephone acuivity, the Agent should report to the Camission the

nature of the infamation thich can be obtained and the means by shiah

1t. would be ostained.

This date should be accured without mentioning

purticular nares or telephone mmbers.

tisi

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Mr. Howard P. Willens

February 24, 1904

8. The FBI should outain a list of all talephone companies and

tbe Chief Executive Officer serving the fallowing areas:

Texas

Nevada

Los Angeles, Clifornia

San Francisco, California

Chicago, Illinois

Detroit, Michigan and adjacent suburbs in the Detroit netropolitan

area, Including Southfield, Michigan

Boston, Massachusetts and adjacent suburbs, Including Bolsont, Mass.

New York netropolltan area, Including suburban long Island,

Connecticut and New Jersay

Mlami, Florida

Washington, D. C. and adjacent suburbs

New Orleans; Louisiana

Mr. Bunkin should sadress s letter to the Giller Executive ef

each of the telephone scupanies mentioned in paragraph eight requesting

that such companies not destroy until June 1, 1904 ay records they

may have with respect to telephone service of all subscribers. The

lotter should request that the source of this policy not be disclosed.

Retention of records on a blanket basis would proserve security as to

the thinking of the Coumlasion and will afford the maxirm ascurance that

telephone records will be preserved with respeat to persons not yet suspect.

We realize that blanket retention may be so burdensome on expensive as to

make our request seen unressonable, I there is any suggestion along these

Ines, a confarence to fork out a reasonable system should da suggested.

10. As soon as possible arter the Ruby trial and after consultotion

with the Commission, the FBI should obtain coples of original telephone

records uncovered as a result of the Investigations requested in paragraphs

four and five. These recorde should be analyzed to determine possible

links to ruby or Osmala.

Tereafter, if deoned advisable, records of

phones "r'easonably available" to Ruby would be analyzed for possible

calls to phones "reasonably available to suspected Intermediaries between

Ruby ard Oswald.

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fosan on duby a papora. (502 Arca "E')

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to nata mulle statononts councin the character, hea

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in a soir orlala On the other bond, ii tie report save

support to tray's abrento stated version, the imaccutie

could la dosarion in criticiang 1a.

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soião son 1ila, 15 1ù paspor for a Deaniesion of thio

high sat aà prorize di this damlecion to cessant

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MEMORANDUM

May 14, 1954

C

To:

From:

Subject:

J. Lee Rankin

Icon D. Hubert, Jr.

Eurt W. Griffin

-JFK

Adequacy of Ruby Investigation

F-541

1.

Past Recommendations.

In memoranda data February 19,

February 24, Fabruary 2l, and narch 11, we made various

susgestions for extending the Investigation Iniularea by the

FBI In connection ulth the Oswald homicide. Shortly arter

March 11, 1964, ve began preparation for the nearly 60.

depositions taken in Dallas during the perlod March 21-April 2;

after ve retumed from Dallas ne took the deposition of C. L.

Oraiard (two days) and George Senator (tro days), woriced on.

editing the depositions taken In Dallas, and prepared for

another series of 30 other depositions taken 111 Dallas during

the period April 13-17. On our retum from Dallas ve con-

tinued the editing of tha Dallas depositions, prepared the

Dallis deposition

exhibits for publication,

and began worlding

on a drait of the report 1n Arca V. As a conseguence of all of

this activity during the period March 1l-May 13, ve did not

press for the conferences and discussions referred to in the

attached memoranda.

The following represents

jur vicw at this

time with respect to appropriate further investigation.

2.

General Statement si Areas Not Acequately Investigated.

In reporting on the murder of lee oswald by Jack huby, we

must unster of it least advert to these questions:

a) Why did fuby k1l1 Oswala;

b) Was Ruby associated with the assassin of

President Kennedy;

c) Did Ruby have any confederates In the murder

of Oswald?

It 1s our belicf that, although the evidence gathered so far

does not show a conspiratorial link between Ruby and Oswald,

or between ruby and others, nevertheless evidence should be

secured, 1f possible, to sillimatively exclude that:

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2:

a)

ruby was Indirectly linked through others

to Oswald;

b) Fuby killed Oswald, because of fear; or.

c) Ruby killed Oswald at the suggestion of others.

3. Summary of Evidence suggesting further Investigation..

The following facts suggest the necessity of further investi-

gation:

Ruby had time to engage in substantial activitles

Fuby's night club

business usually occupied no more than five hours of a normal

working day which began at about 10:00 all. and ended at

2:00 a I. It was his practice to spend an average of only

one hour a day at his Clubs between 10:00 a.m. and 9:00 p..

Our depositions were confined primarily to persons familiar

with Ruby's Club activities.

The FBI has thoroughly Investl-

gated Ruby's night clus operations but does not seem to have

pinned down his other business or social activities.

basic materials do make reference to such other activities

(see p. 27 of our report of february 18), but these are casual

and collateral and were not explored to determine whether they

involved any underlying sinister purpose. Nor were they probed.

In such a menner as to permit a determination as to how much of

Ruby's time they occupied.

b. Ruby has always been a person who looked for

money-mating "sidelines.

In the two months prior to

Novenber 22, Ruby supposedly spent considerable time promoting

an exercise device known as a

"twist board."

The "twist

board" was purportedly manufactured by Plastellite Ingineering,.

a Fort Horth manufacturer of oil field equipment which has

poor credit references and was the subject of an FBI investi-

gation in 1952.

we know of no sales of this item by ruby;

nor do ve inow

1f any "trist boards" were manufactured for

sale.

The possibility remains that the "twist board" was a

front for some other illegal enterprise..

c. Ruby has long been close to persons pursuina

port

11lezal activities.

Al though Ruby had no lanown ideological or #2

political interests (see p. 35 of our report of February 18),

there is nuch evidence that he was interested In Cuben matters.

In early 1959, Ruby Inquired conceming the smuggling of

persons out of Cuba. He has admitted that, at that time, he

negotiated for the sale of jeeps to Castro.

In September 1959,

Ruby visited Havana at the Invitation of Las Vegas racketeer,

Iouls J. Mciallie, who pald Ruby's expenses for the trip and

uno was later expelled from Cuba by Castro....

Mcwillie 1s

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described by Ralph Paul, Ruby's business partner.

as one of

nor's closest friends.

Ruby mailed a gun to Mcwillle in early.

1963.

In 1951, 1t 1s reported that Ruby attended three meetings

In Dallas in connection with the sale of arms to Cubans and

the sauggling out of refugees.

The Informant Identifies an

Ed Srunner as Ruby's assoclate in this endeavor. Shortly after.

his arrest on November 24, Ruby named Fred Bruner as one of

his expected aitomeys. Brunner did not represent Ruby,

however. Insufficient Investigation has been conducied

confim or deny the report about Icetings in 1961.

When Henry

Hade announced to the Press on November 22, 1953 that Oswald

was a nenber of the Free Cuba Committee, Ruby corrected Wade

by stating "Not the free cuba Comittee; The falt Play for

Cuba Committee.

there is a difference.

The Free Cuba Com-

nittee 1s an existing anti-Castro organization. Earl ruby,

brother of Jack Ruby, sent an inezplained telegram to Havana

1n April 1962. We belleve that a reasonable possibility exists

that ruby has maintained a close interest In Guban affcirs to

the extent necessam to participate in gun sales or smuggling

d.

Bits oi evidence link Ruby to others who may have

been interested in Cuban affairs. When Ruby's car was seized

on November 24, It contained various sight-uing radie scripts

issued by te I. Funt and a cory of the Wall Street Journal

bearing the malling address of a man who has not yet been

identified. In May 1963, Earl Ruby, operator of a dry cleaning

business, is known to have telephoned the Welch Candy Company

(owned by the founder of John Birch Society). The purpose of

the call 1s unimown. Jack Ruby's personal notebook contained

the Massachusetts telephone number and address of Thomas H111,

former Dallas resident, worldng at the Boston headquarters of

the juhn Birch Society. Although 1t 1s most Ilkely that all of

those bits of circunstanttal evidence have innocent explana.

tions, none has jet been explained.

Although Ruby did not witness the motorcade through

Dallas, he may have had a prior interest in the President's

visit.

A November 20 edition of the Fort Worth Telegram showing

the President's proposed route through fort Worth, and the

November 20 edition of the Dallas Morning News showing the

President's route through Dallas, were found in Ruby's car on

November 24.

£. On November 15 Jack Ruby met at the Carousel Club

with Bertha Cheek, sister of Hrs. Earlene Roberts, manager of

Lee oswald's rooming house. Hrs. Cheek said that she and Ruby

discussed her lending Ruby money to open a new night cluò..

#3

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Ruby was not questioned about this natter.

On Novender 20,

1963, a woran, uno may be identical to tarlene Roberts, was

reporteá to be in san Antonio at the time of President

Kennedy's visit. '

The possible Identification of Mrs. Roberts

in San Antonio has not been cheated out..

In addition,

the

Iink formed by firs. Roberts between Oswald and Ruby 13

buttressed in some measure by the fact that one of Ruby's

strippers dated a tenant of the Beckley Street rooming house

during the tenancy of Lee Oswald.

the theory that Ruby and airs. Cheek could have been Involved

in Cuban arms sales of which Oswald gained Inowledge through

his efforts to Intiltrate the anti-Castro Cubans.

Our doubts

concerning the real Interest of Mrs. Cheek in Jack Ruby stem

from the fact that one of her four husbands was a convicted

felon and one of her friends was a police officer who married

one of Ruby's strip-tease dancers.

We have suggested that

Fuby sight have killed Oswald out of fear that Oswald might

implicate Ruby and his friends falsely or not in an effort topolls y

save his on l1fe. Weathtakathat netther Oswaldtsuban

Interests 1a Dales na

Quests Cuban ac

been

(hore on

adequate are

Novenber 22 and 23 with persons, nawn and union, who could

have been co-conspirators.

Ruby was visited in Dallas from

Novenber 21 to November 24, 1903 by Lawrence Meyers of Chicago.

Meyers had visited Ruby tro reeks previously.

Ruby aiso made

a long distance call shortly after the President's death to

Alex Gruber in los Angeles. uruber had visited Ruby about

the same time as Meyers in early November. Eoth Gruber and

Heyers give innocent explanations.

Meyers claims he was 1n

Dallas enjoying life with a "aunb but accommodating broad."

Gruber clains Ruby called to say he would not nall a dog that

day, as he had promised to do. Finally between 11:35 p.m.

and 12 uldnight, Saturday, November 23, Ruby nade a series

of brief long distance phone calls culminating with a call to

entertainer Breck Hall at a friend's house In Galveston.

Wall

claims Ruby called to compllment him for calling off his

(Wall's) act at the Adolphus Hotel in Dallas. Background.

checks have not heen made on these persons.

5

based an evidence a ready

cuban crements uho mishi save hale

be surmised since

e the present Investigation has not focused

on that area.

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we suggest that these matters cannot be left

"hanging in the air.

They must either be explored further

or a firm decision must be made not to do so supported by

stated reasons for the decision. As a general matter, ye

think the investigation deficient in these respects:

(1) Substantial tine-segments In Fuby's daily

routine from September 25 to November 22 have

not been accounted for.

(2) About 45 persons who saw Ruby from November 22

to November 24 have not been questioned by staff

members, although there are FBI reports of

Interviews with all these people.

(3) Persons who have been interviewed because pi

lown associations with Ruby generally have

not been investigated themselves so that their

truthiulness can be evaluated.

The FBI reports

speciflcally do not attemot evaluation. The

exception has been that there the FBI has been

given incriminating evidence against Ruby, 1t

has made further investigation to determine

whether others might also be Implicated with

Fuby. In every case where there was some

evidence implicating others, those other persons.

were interviewed and denied

the incriminating

allegations. Further Investigation has not been

uncertaken to resolve the conflicts.

(4)

much of our mowledge of Ruby comes from his

friends Andrew Armstrong, Ralph Paul, George

and Larry Craiard. Investigations

have not been undertaken to conreborate ther

claims..

4. Specific Investigative Recommendations

We should obtain photos of all property found on

Ruby's person, in his car, or at his home or clubs, now in.

possession of the Dallas District Attorney. We already have

photos of Ruby's address books, but no other ltes have been

photographed or delivered to the Commission. These items Include-

the H. I. Hunt literature and newspapers nontioned in para-

graphs 3d and 3e.

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b.

We should conduct staff Interviews or take

depositions with respect to Ruby's Cuban activitles of the

following persons:

1. Robert Ray lickeown. Ruby contacted Mckeoum

in 1959 in connection with the sale of jeeps.

to Cuba.: The objective of an Interview or

deposition of Mokeown would be to obtain

Information on possible contacts Ruby would

have made after 1959 1f his interost in

armament sales continued..

11.

Nancy Perrin.

Perrin claims she met with Ruby.

three times in 1961 concerning refugee smuggling

and aims sales.

She says she can identify the

house in Dallas shere meetings took place.

Perrin now lives in Boston. Ruby admits he was

once Interested in the sale of jeeps, at leäst,

to cuba.

tain reports-trom.thestranconcering

seen tequesceanto provide a

reportsbasedro

a memorandan delIvered tO sthen harch 12, 1964

covering

Flay.

sued tacluding his possiolencubans

bura re

nas not been receivedsasset.

d.

We should obtain reports from the fBI based on

requested investigation of allegations sugzesting that Earlene

Roberts was in San Antonio on November 21.

e.

The Commission should take the testimony of the

folloring persons for the reasons stated:

1..

Hyman Rubenstein

Eva frant

Earl Ruby

All are siblings of Jack Ruby.

Hyman is the oldest child and

presumably will be the best witness as to farily histom. He

talked to Jack on Novenber 22, reportedly visited Jack the week.

before the assassination, and participated in Ruby's twist

board venture. Eva lived with Jack for 3 years in Califomia

prior to World War II, Induced Jack to come to Dallas 1n 1947,

and managed the Vegas Club for Jack in Dallas from 1959 50

1963. Earl was a travelling salesman with Jack from 1941-1943;

a business partner 1940-1947, and made phone calls before

November 22, 1953 and afterwards which require explanations.

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11. Henry Wade:

This person can testify to the

development of the testimony by Sgt. Dean

and Det.

Archer against Ruby and of seeing

Ruby or November 22 In the Police Department

building

111.

Jack: Ruby

f. He should take the depositions of the following

persons for the reasons stated:

Tom Howard. This person 1s one of Ruby's

original attorneys, and 1s reported to have been

in the police basement a few minutes before

Oswald was shot and to have inquired If Oswald

had been moved. He filed a writ of habeas

corpus for ruby about one hour after the

He could explain these

activitles and possibly tell us about the ruby.

tral. We should have these explanations.

11.

FEI Agent Fall. This person Interviewed Ruby

for 2a hours on November 24 beginning at

approxiately 12 noon. His report is contra

dictory to Sgt. Dean's trial testirony.

a150 Interviewed Ruby on December 21, 1963.

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Seth Kantor. This person was interviewed trice

by the Fbl and persists in his clat that he

saw ruby at Parkland Hospital shortly before

or after the President's death was announced.

Ruby denies that he was ever aù Parkland

Hospital.

truth, for there would be considerable signif1-

cance 1f 1t Here concluded that Ruby is IJing.

Should we make an evaluation without seeing

Kantor ourselves?

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Bill Dellar.

This person claims to have seen

Oswald at the Carousel Club prior to Novenber 22,

and this rumor perhaps more than any other has

been given wide circulation. Should we evalu-

ate Deter's credibility solely on the basis

of FBI reports?

The FBI should re-interview the following persons

for the purposes stated:

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Alex Gruber.

Io obtain personal history to

establish original meeting and subsequent

contacts with Ruby; to obtain details of visit

to Dallas in November 1953, Including where he

stayed, how long, who saw him, etc. The FBI

should also check its own files on Gruber.

Lawrence reyers (Same as Gruber)

Ken Dowe. (KulF reporter) To ascertain how he:

happened to first contact Ruby on Noverber 22

or 23; (Ruby provided Infornation to Kul?

concerning the location of Chief Curry), and

wether KuIf gave any inducements to Ruby to moro

for it on the weekend of November 22-24.

Rabbi Sliverman.

To establish when Silverman

saw Ruby at the Synagogue and obtain names of

other persons who may have seen fuby at the:

Synagogue on November 22 and 23.

Silverman

states that he saw Ruby at the 8 p.n. service.

on November 22 and at the 9 a.n. service on

November 23; but both of these services lasted:

at least two hours and we do not knor whether:

Ruby was present for the entire services.

Silverman (and others) could "place"

fall to do so, during critical hours.

Mickey Ryan (Same as Gruber plus employment

In Dallas.)

Breck Wall, This person was an entertainer at

the Adolphus Hotel, Dallas, at the time of

President Kennedy's assassination.

Ruby called:

him in Galveston at 11:47 D.I. Saturday,

November 23, 1963. He also visited ruby at

the county jail. A background check should be

conducted as to this person.

Andrei Armstrong, Bruce Carlin,

Karen Bennett

Curtis Laverne Crarard,

Raiph Paul,

George senator.

These six persons were deposed at length because

of their friendship with ruby, familiarity with

Ruby's personal and buginess life, and contacts

wIth Ruby on November 22, 23, and 24.

zeneral, each has projessed to have had no

knowledge of Ruby's activities during those

three days.

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Andrew Armstrong was very active in the

operation of the Carousel and worked closely

with Ruby for 18 months.

His deposition covers

Ruby's activitles and emotional state generally

and particularly several hours on Novenuer 22

and 23.

as to this person and selected parts of his

ints

A bacigiound check should be conducted

testimony should be checked out to test his

veracity.

Karen and Bruce Carlin were the recislcnts of

a 525 money order bought by ruby approximately

5 minutes before Ruby shot Oswald.

Marguerite

Oswald testified that she believed she hew

Karen Carlin. Background checks should be

conducted on the Carlins.

Crafard fled Dallas unexpectedly on Saturday

morning November 23. Although we tend to

belleve his explanation, we belleve a back-

ground check on him plus verification of some

of his activities on November 23 are warranted.

Paul 1s Ruby's business partner. A background

check should be conducted as to him and his

telephone calls auring November should be

checked out.

George Senator, Ruby's roommate, alleged by

Crafard to be a homoseXual, claims not to have

seen Ruby except at ther apartment Sunday

morning and for a few hours early Saturday

norning. Senator's background and own admitted

activities on November 22, 23, and 24 should

be verified.

5. Other areas of Ruby Investigation wich are not complete.

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i11. After the depositions of Nancy Perrin,

Robert Mekeoim, and Sylvia Odie have been

taken, further Investigation may be

necessary with respect to rubats cuban

assectationsa

b. Ruby's notebooks contain numerous names,

addresses,

and telephone numbers.

Pany of these persons have

either not been located or deny Inowing Ruby. We believe

further Investigation 1s appropriate In some Instances; hoover,

we have not yet evaluated the reports now on hand.

We have no expert evidence as to Ruby's mental

condition; however, we ulll obtain transcripts of the psychiatric

testimony at the Ruby trial.

6.

Other Investigative Suggestions.

Lettere

norance thate to sources of evident

nored.

oto I and navle Recordbags. Ino Dallas radio

stations tape recorded every minute of air time on November 22,

23, and 24..

We have obtained these radio tapes for all except

a portion of Novenber 24, and the tapes include a number of

interviews with key witnesses in the Oswald area. In addition,

the tapes shed consideraole light on the manner in which Dallas

Aro, UPI, and Movietone News, and relevant portions should be

reviered by staii members.

Wherever witnesses appear on these

fIlus tho have been considered by the Commission in preparing

its report, a copy of such witnesses! appearance should be

made a part of the Commission records by introducing then in

evidence. Il one person were directed to superintend and

organize this effort, we believe it could be done without

unrcasonable espenditures of Commission time and noney.

anion

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cords •

Copies of Dallas hotel and motel registrations and airline

manifests to and from Dallas should be obtained for the period

September 25 to Deceuber 1, 1953. Similarly, Emigration and

Immigration records should be obtained for the perlod October 1,

1963 to January 1, 1964. We belleve that these records may

provide a useful tool as new evidence develops after the

commission subsits its report.

We do not suggest that these

records necessarily be examined by the Cormission staff at

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the present time.

But, for example, 1t 1s Ilkely that in the

future, persons will come forward who will claim to have been

In Dallas during the critical period and no vill clarn to

have important information:

These records may serve to

confirn or refute their claims.

LHHubert/smh

cc :

Mr. Hubert

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F-592

June 1, 1904

TO:

Messis, Leon D. Hubert, JI. and Burt W. Griffin

Howard P. Willens

SUBJBCT: Adequacy of Ruby Investigation:

As we'all know, your senorandur dated May I, 195,

bearing the above title has been the subject of considerable

discussion anon the tiro of you, fir. Bankin, kir. Redlich and

me.

As a rceult of those discussions steps have bean taken

to implement nost oi the specific investigative recommendations

set forth in rection 4 beginning on page 4. In fact, It eppears

to me thai all of these requests are in the process of being

implenented througn subsection y vi entitled Breck Wall, with

the exception that no background Investigation has been requested

regarding tir. Hall. As to the recommendation in subsection & vil

that background investigation be conducted regarding the six nuned

persons, it has been decided that no such general. Investigation is

werranted. It was agreed, however, that any luvestigative requerts

submitted by you regarding specific testimony of these persons, in

order to test veraclty, ulght be approprlate.

On Hey 27, 1964 I alscussed vith Me. Griffin the status

of the investigation in Area 5. Inis discussion was prompted not

only by your memorandur dated May It, but aloo the discussion held

in tir. Rankin's office on the prior day, May 20, dealing with the

initial drait subaltted by you relating to Ruby's background.

I requested Mr. Griffin to stop his current work on the first draft

and subalt to me within the next few business days every single

Investigative raquest which he believes is necessary to complate

the investigation in his arca. Mr. Griffin ogreen to this and I

have today received approxinately 10 such Investigative requests,

which have elüber been sent forward to Mr. Runkin for approval. and

signature or, atter discussion with Mr. Griffin, are being revised.

If any additlonal requests are contemalated, I would like to be

advised today.

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REMOANDT!

JFK

..Juno 1, 2004

F-593

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Leon Do thiere, Jr.

Burt to Griffin

In raspones to your microreun of Junt1, l0ky ne dipest thet

by second Jua 3, 19e4 11l, os the investigativo ragusoes mici

the non canope call have been delical to jou.

Wits roopit in brot fall, iy beller that it our later ba

agproastato to guestion bin, dos Patenes, un Ralys Par tarough

the ful or by dopcolidon curcagine the caleghors colla nily mate

betner 1I:l8 D-3, and 21:45 Dai, 60 Saturday Purestor 23. Haroner,

we do not vira to uniamara sai pestioning untll the scales si

Die cause roguson sure been examined, In surition, it chould be

eganical that inciner intestignse requests niy becore appuppite

in the conso co readle too luby trial transios, exeniaire furiaer

evluence to ba senduced by inby or lia attormys, moluing a finel

Be presto that our eugecutiony for chiaining zadio tapes,

¿clevision topoo, total uta notel recorde, sad alriina peasenger

nantests sea di such a brora notra as to he dumbide the coope d

cry romesto by my of loubme to tue fol; but no underatind chut

consistion has been give to tibeo asgations and that a doctoien

Til be stile In the tuture as to yacher or rot lore suggestions will

Grittin/ 10/5-7-54

CC: Erlitin chion filc

Ar. Ranin

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