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TITLE:

SSCIA

TESTIMONY OF ROBERT MAHEU

DATE: 07/30/1975

PAGES:

95

SUBJECTS :

ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL: GALANE, MORTON R.

GIANCANA, SAM

WIRETAPS

MAHEU, ROBERT

ROSELLI, JOHNNY

MAFIA CONNECTION

DOCUMENT TYPE: PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

CLASSIFICATION: Unclassified

RESTRICTIONS: Consulted; 1A; 1B; 1C; 3; Donor Restricted

CURRENT STATUS : Redact

DATE OF LAST REVIEW: 07/19/1994

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am not too far off in what I am about to tell you. The contract

was structured in such, a way that as the bottoms of other

companies became obsolete, they could only be replaced with

Onassis' tankers.

Even ARANCO had to, by attrition, within a

period of four-and-a-half to five-and-a-half years, would have,

if their tankers became obsolete, they could only be replaced

by Onassis tankers.

Our statistics, after having studied the contract and

making what we considered to be proper projections, indicated

that at the completion of approximately five-and-a-half years,

Mr. Onassis would control more dead weight tonnage than the

United States controlled in its entirety, that he would control

on the high seas annually more oil by tens of thousands of

gallons more than were used by all of the Allied nations during

the most severe year of the Korean War, that in the first year

his profit would be approximately $17 million dollars, that

after five-and-a-half years his annual profit would be in the

area of $200 million.

While this analysis is going on, we also found that a

million dollar pay-off had been made to one of the top ministers

in Saudi Arabia and we had the evidence

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We then prepared our inputs and presented them to the

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National Security Council --

Senator Huddleston.

Of the United States?

Mr. Maheu.

-- of the Uhited States, and within a matter,

I believe, of forty-eight hours, our State Department

denounced the agreement. It was the first time that anyone

had actually seen what this meant, and frankly, there was an

innate fear that with the initial $17 million, them there would

be no way of stopping, I mean, he might go to Venezuela and

do the same thing, and there were also other inputs about the

background of Mr. Onassis that I would just as soon not make

a matter of record, but they were not too favorable, that we

presented to the National Security Council verbally but not

in writing.

Mr. Madigan. Who made the presentation?

Senator Schweiker. What subsequently happened then with

the Security Council denunciation, et cetera?

Mr. Madigan. The State Department denounced the agreement

and that same evening we were told that two lof

the top-crA

officials were on their way to Saudi Arabia.

Then I proceeded to dig up the gentleman by the name of

Carl Twitchell by virtue of reading about the country, because

I'm not about ready to go there and not know about the customs

and the formation of the country. I dug up a man by the name

of Carl Iwitchell who was living in Connecticut who turned out

to be the first American who had ever raally been accepted by

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National Security Council --

Senator Huddleston. Of the United States?

Mr. Maheu. -- of the Uhited States, and within a matter,

I believe, of forty-eight hours, our State Department

denounced the agreement. It was the first time that anyone

had actually seen what this meant, and frankly, there was an

innate fear that with the initial $17 million, then there would

be no way of stopping, I mean, he might go to Venezuela and

do the same thing, and there were also other inputs about the

background of MI. Onassis that I would just as soon not make

a matter of record, but they were not too favorable, that we

presented to the National Security Council verbally but not

in writing.

Mr. Madigan. Who made the presentation?

Senator Schweiker. What subsequently happened then with

the Security Council denunciation, et cetera?

MI. Madigan. The State Department denounced the agreement

and that same evening we were told that two

officials were on their way to Saudi Arabia.

Then I proceeded to dig up the gentleman by the name of

Carl twitchellaby virtue of reading about the country, because

I'm not about ready to go there and not know about the customs

and the formation of the country. I dug up a man by the name

of Carl twitchell who was living in Connecticut who turned out

to be the first American who had ever really been accepted by

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old King Saud. Me twitchell had spent time in the country

as a mining engineer to help them in the exploitation of

mines. It was in fact to carl witchell that the old king gave

the power of attorney to come to the United States government

or come back to the United States and try to form a consortium

for the exploitation of oil from which emanated ARAMCo.

was the type of

man who was only reimbursed for his

expenses. I think his total expenses were slightly in excess

of $8,000. He didn't even keep the banking and percentage

for himself, or a piece of the action, so to speak, and he was

highly, highly loved by the Saudis and although the old king

was then gone and king Saud, the son. was in power, Mrz

Twitchell had the same respect and reverence from the present

leaders as he did from the father and I convinced Mr.

wiwitchell

that - he already had a clearance, a satisfactory clearance,

and I convinced him to precede me to Saudi Arabia to try to

lay the groundwork.

Senator Schweiker.

What year was this, roughly?

Mr. Maheu. This, I believe, was in '54 or '55, yes.

Anyway, I finally ended up going to Saudi Arabia, having

a meeting with the King's confidential assistant, presenting all

of this evidence, frankly at the time not knowing if the king

himself had a piece of the action --

Senator Huddleston. Had some of this evidence come from

the wiretap?

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Mr. Maheu. That tap

was entirely unproductive, entirely

unproductive.

Senator Schweiker. What happened then at your meeting?

Mr. Maheu. Well, it's very interesting, if we could take

a little time, I mean, I was scheduled to have the meeting

"with the king," but he doesn't show, he stays somewhere else

and the confidential assistant shows up and one trusted

minister that he had with cast witcher present.

And my meeting was scheduled for 8:00 p.m. one night, and

this happaned to be the last day that the King was supposed to

be in Jidda, he was then leaving for the capital further

inland, Jidda being the only major port in Saudi where he

spends his summers, and they were having a big parade for him,

and from the balcony of the hotel, I'm watching the parade go

by, and finally the King's car comes and he is arm and arm with

ther nan on whom I'm going to give the evidence that night, and

I frankly was not too comfortable, particularly in view of the

fact that in those days -- and I don't know whether it has

changed, but in Saudi, the same document did not give you

permission to enter and leave; you had to make application for

an exit visa after you arrived, and I was in constant contact

with the then-United States Ambassador. He made it very clear

that the government approved of everything I was doing, but if

something went wrong they could not come to my rescue, I would

have to be the fall guy, and I was prepared to do it. That was

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Saudi Arabian government would have its flag flying the high

seas, and at the time that all of this is going on they are

building what then, upon completion of production, had been

the biggest tanker in the world at that time, a ship named

after the old King, a tanker which was scheduled to go and take

a maiden flight and take off, and it turned out the biggest

problem that we had was to find a save-face gimmick. But

finally the whole thing was accomplished, and it took two and

a half years to do it.

Senator Schweiker. I didn't mean to get you off the

track.

Mr. Maheu. Well, I'm sorry I am so verbose.

Senator Huddleston. You said you bought a paper in

Athens? You mean by that you actually bought the paper or just

paid them to run the story?

Mr. Maheu. We bought a newspaper.

You'll have to understand, Senator, that in Rome, in those

days, there were fifty newspapers. I mean, the big circulation

in those days, big circulation in Rome was 20,000. It's hard

for us to visualize that.

Senator Huddleston.

the CiA supplied the money to buy

the

newspaper?

Mr. Maheu. Yes.

Can we go off the record?

Senator Schweiker. Yes:

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Mr. Liebengood. Was this listening post that you referred

to, was that a project, that was related to work for the Central

Intelligence Agency?

Mr. Maheu. I don't believe it was.

Mr. Madigan. Did you have any New York assignments other

than Onassis that you gave to Frank?

Mr. Maheu. I don't remember any.

Mr. Madigan. How about

I may have asked

you that yesterday. Do you recall

whether he had any relation-

ship with your company during the 1950's?

Mr. Maheu. I don't remember a Thomas Evans

Thomas:

Evans?

Mr. Madigan. A CIA employee.

Mr. Maheu. I don't recall his name.

Mr. Madigan. I got sidetracked off of my question of

whether you recall a prosecution or an investigation of the

Onassis wiretap. You may have already have answered that.

Mr. Maheu. I think I did, yes.

Mr. Madigan. What did you say?

MI. Maheu. My recollection is that I appeared before a

Grand Jury that was investigating Mr. Frank on another

matter.

Mr. Madigan. On another matter, but you had no recollection

of any investigation of that particular tap? .…..

Mr. Maheu. No, I don't.

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Mr. Maheu. No, I don't.

Mr. Madigan. No interviews by the FBI?

Mr. Maheu. It's conceivable, but I don't remember it.

MI. Madigan. You don't remember it?

Mr. Maheu. No.

Mr. Madigan. Let's go off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

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Mr. Madigan. It was sometime after you had begun in '54

with your Agency operation?

Mr. Maheu. That is correct.

Mr. Madigan. Or your sponsorship?

Mr. Maheu. That is correct.

Mr. Madigan. Subsequently, did this Leader "A" come to

the United States to your knowledge after this?

Mr. Maheu. I don't recall whether he came subsequently or

prior to.

Mr. Madigan.

When the same leader did come to the United

States, were you involved in any assignment for the CIA with

regard to his presence in the country?

MI. Maheu. Yes, I was.

Mr. Madigan.

And what was that assignment?

Mr. Maheu.

was told by the state department and.

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it someone different?

Mr. Maheu. This request emanated from, directly from the

State Department.

MI. Madigan. Who in the State Department?

Mr. Maheu. Mr. Scott McCloud, who was then Director of

the Office of Security and Consular Affairs.

Mr. Madigan. Was it coordinated with the CIA, or was this

strictly between yourself and the State Department?

Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that the CIA was kept

apprised, however that the coordination was with the State

Department, in connection with the security that was being

provided for this leader during his visit to the United States.

Mr. Madigan. Did you meet with the State Department or

CIA people or both in New York City when the leader arrived

there?

Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I met with Security

Personnel of the State Department.

Mr. Madigan. What did you do in New York for this

assignment?

(Pause)

Mr. Maheu. I don't recall.

Mr. Madigan. And did you meet with the New York police

with regard to the assignment?

Mr. Maheu. I don't recall.

Mr. Madigan. Did you obeain or send over any females.

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sto the hotels hat Personya waststaying, at?

Mr. Maheu. I don't recall.

Mr. Madigan. Do you recall telling me yesterday that you

did, send girls over there?

Mr. Maheu. No, I don't.

Mr. Madigan. Did you travel from New York to any other

city with this leader?

Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I did.

Mr. Madigan. What occurred when you arrived at the other

cities?

Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I contacted the

security representatives of the State Department.

Mr. Madigan. And after you contacted the security

representatives, what were you supposed to

do in these other

cities?

Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I, through local

Police Department officials or law enforcement officials made

that the women who would gain access to the

leader"s

suite were, such that

they would not be a security risk insofar

as the national

security of our government was concerned.

Mr. Madigan.

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with?

Mr. Maheu. I don't know what you meang

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Mr. Madigan.

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MI. Maheu. I don't recall.

Mr. Madigan. Do you recall telling me yesterday that you

did?

Mr. Maheu. No, I do not.

MI. Madigan. Do you recall telling me yesterday when I

asked you whether someone had travelled from city to city, you

indicated that you thought maybe one did, but you weren't sure

about how many others.

Mr. Maheu. That is correct.

Mr. Madigan. How many cities did you visit during the

trip that this Leader "A" made?

Mr. Maheu. Several cities.

Mr. Madigan.

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Mr. Madigan. I do..

Let's go off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

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Mr. Madigan. And

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these women over to his hotel of

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make then avallable, to him at his hotel, nos knowing what

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ey got to the hotel?.

Mr. Maheu. That is correct.

Mr. Madigan. And that occurred in New York and the other

cities that he stayed at while he was in the United States?

Mr. Maheu. That is correct.

Mr. Madigan.:

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Ity were sort ot local.

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he made a trip to Russia.

our inputs were to the erfect that,

be brought back fron Russia with bim an attractiven Russian

agent and that his phi vosophies relativerto the unrea states

begen to change appseciably, and, that the security Of therunited,

States wastin great jeopardy sas a result, ot whatever insivenee.

this lemale agent was able to have upon, bim.

Mr. Madigan. As a result of that, what assignment did you

receive, if any, from the CIA?

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welly as ai

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Mr. Maheu. No, sir.

Mr. Madigan. Who was that?

Mr. Maheu. First I discussed the matter with Howard

Hughes and he recommended that I contact Mr. Larry Crosby, which

I did.

Mr. Madigan®

Did Hughes have to approve your being

involved in this?

Mr. Maheu. I am not sure he had to approve. I was just

seeking his advice.

Mr. Madigan. You were more or less just telling him about

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Mr. Maheu. I beg your pardon?

Mr. Madigan. You were just telling him about it?

Mr. Maheu. No, Mr. Hughes had been in the industry, he

had been in movie studios, I thought he could be helpful to

this contract.

Mr. Madigan. Did you deal with O'Connell with regard to

this contract of with somebody else?

Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that I dealt with Mr.

O'Connell and Colonel Edwards.

Mr. Madigan. Colonel Edwards?

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Mr. Maheu. I don't recall, but my recollection is 5m

was highly respected by the law enforcement authorities.

Whether

was an informant for them or what the relationship

was, I don't know.

Mr. Madigan.

So you produced one times one tiim

damnisters

aspa result of this, movie thim?

MI. Maheu. Very short.

Mr. Madigan.

Did you mave any stip.photographs.or

anything like that?

Mr. Maheu.

No, I did not.

Mr. Madigan.

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then yon turned the tiim over to the

Mr. Maheu. That is correct.

Mr. Madigan. And thereafter do you know what happened

it?

Mr. Maheu.

No, I do not.

Mr. Madigan. Were you told what was going to be done

with ten

Mr. Maheu.

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Mr. Madigan.

Did you ever hear of project Happy Days?

Mr. Maheu. No.

Mr. Madigan. Or Project Harp Star?

Mr. Maheu. No.

Mr. Madigan. Or Project Norfok?

Mr. Maheu. No.

Mr. Madigan. Did you have an occasion to meceive an

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Mr. Maheu. Yes, sir.

Mr. Madigan.

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MI. Madigan. And who did you contact with regard to that?

Mr. Maheu. I contacted Mr. Gregson Bautzer.

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Mr. Maheu. I have no recollection that I was asked.

Mr. Madigan. Do you know who that person was?

Mr. Maheu. I do not recall the name.

Mr. Madigan. You indicated that your recollection was

that there was some embarrassment later on with regard

HOI

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Mr. Maheu.

date astes he haaktaken

this person with bim to his comtry

there was some embarrassment

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it turned out that the

leader was from an Arabic, country and that

the young starle

was of lewish extraction.

Mr. Madigan.

Was your assignment in that regard solely

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was that the end of it?

Mr. Maheu. That is my recollection of it, yes.

Mr. Madigan. Did you have any other assignments with

regard to that Leader "B"?-

Mr. Maheu. I have no recollection.

Mr. Madigan. Did you have any other assignments with

regard to Leader "A"?

Mr. Maheu. I have no recollection that I did.

Mr. Madigan. Did you undertake any other Agency assignments

with regard to any other leader

of any other country?

Mr. Maheu. I have no recollection that. I did.

Mr. Madigan.

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Mr. Madigan. Do you think She night have been the person?

Mr. Maheu. I think'she

might have been, yes.

MI. Madigan. Did you contact Howard Hughes with regard

to that assignment?

Mr. Maheu. No, I did not.

However, Mr. Bautzer was, in

those days, Mr. Hughes' personal attorney.

Mr. Madigan. Would you date that lan assignment as

being around 1959?

Mr. Maheu. I don't recall. It was before 1960, but that

would sound approximately right.

MI. Madigan. Did you ever have your office in Washington

used for cover purposes by the CIA?

Mr. Maheu.

Yes, I have.

Mr. Madigan. Do you know on how many occasions?

Mr. Maheu. On several occasions.

MI. Madigan. Do you know what the purpose of the agent

that would be using it for cover was?

Mr. Maheu. My racollection is that my role was limited

simply to fund their income. In other words, they would be on

the payroll of Robert A. Maheu Associates and that I would be

reimbursed the exact amount of their pavroll.

As to the specific assignments, I have no recollection.

Mr. Madigan. What types of duties would they have for

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Mr. Madigan. What was he supposed to be doing in ecuador.

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You have no inclination or no fealing at

all for what his assignment was?

Mr. Maheu. No, I do not.

Mr. Madigan.

In covert terms whether it was an espionage

assignment or whether it was a PR kind of assignment? No idea?

Mr. Maheu. I don't know..

Mr. Madigan.

Was there ever an island involved with that

assignment to your knowledge?

Mr. Maheu. Not to my knowledge or recollection.

Mr. Madigan. You never heard of an island called

have you?

MI. Maheu. Not to my recollection.

Mr. Madigan. During the 196D's did you employ a fellow

by the name of Jack Buckley? We may have discussed this

befora.

Mr. Maheu. I believe that from time to time a Jack

Bucklay did work for Robert A. Maheu Associates. I don't

believe he was an employee.

Mr. Madigan. Would he be on a kind of an intermittent

contract basis like Frank was? You would use him every once in

awhile?

Mr. Maheu. My recollection is that he did some work for

Robert A. Maheu Associates and, as I say, not an employee.

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Mr. Liebengood. Mr. Mort Jackson?

Mr. Maheu. I don't remember his name.

Mr. Madigan. Mort Jackson being an attorney --

Mr. Liebengood.

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MI. Al Long of the Secret Service?

Mr. Maheu.

Don't remember his name.

Mr. Liebangood.

Mso, Jack Bananyformerly of the Central

Intelligence Agency, a resident of Florida.

Mr. Maheu. Don't remember his name.

Mr. Liebengood.

no Jack, Stewart?

Mr. Maheu.

Don't remember his name.

Mr. Liebengood. James McCord?

Mr. Maheu. Only what I saw in the newspapers.

Mr. Liebengood. But you had no dealings with him while

you were in Washington?

Mr. Maheu. Not to my recollection.

Mr. Madigan. Just briefly, in that regard, we discussed

yesterday whether you had any recollection of Mr. McCord

being involved - or at least I think we discussed it -- in any

either sweeping of your office or electronic equipment or

using of your office as a listening post or anything like that?

Mr. Maheu. I don't remember.

Mr. Madigan. And your indication was you didn't have

any recollection?

Mr. Maheu. No.

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payroll, and for the second time I was turned down by Mr.

Hughes. I believe it was in September of 1969 that I finally

called Mr. Meier in and requested his resignation and then

I informed Mr. Hughes that he had resigned.

After the departure of Mr. Meier, while going through his

files, Mr. Ellson ran into some documents that indicated some

very serious double escrows on mining properties and we

recommended to Mr. Hughes that all the information be made

available to the authorities and let the chips fall where they

may.

Mr. Liebengood. Do you know why Mr. Hughes was not inclined

to follow your recommendations with regards to Meier's termina-

tion at earlier dates?

Mr. Maheu. He was afraid that Meier would embarrass him.

At least, that is what he told me.

Mr. Liebengood. You are aware of no CIA interest in

Meier?

Mr. Maheu. The only thing I know is that Meier was cut

in on the cover

of Milke Mibrage in Covador and was aware of

that operation.

Mr. Liebengood. How did that come about? How was he

cut in on that?

Mr. Maheu. Because it was he who initially had worked on

a deal for a venture in Mexico on the part of Hughes Aircraft

for cable television and subsequent to - well, when that

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collapsed, the person who was to be the partner of Hughes

Aircraft in that particular venture threatened to sue Howard

Hughes and all of the Hughes interest for non-fulfillment of

contract, and I made a recommendation to that person whose

name slips my mind, but I believe his last name was Jamie,

J-a-m-i-e or something like that, I don't recall. But to try

to discourage him from filing such a lawsuit I suggested that

he and I put up $10,000 in Equador and check into the

possibility of developing business there.

I put up my ten, he never put his up, and Meiar was the

one who was involved. But when the Agency needed a cover for

an assignment in Ecuados Meier was made privy of this by the

Agency.

Mr. Liebengood. Just to be certain I understand, this

was because of Meier's role in reestablishing the operation

in Fevador??

Is that correct?

Mr. Maheu.

Well, of trying to save the lawsuit, yes.

That's right.

Mr. Liebengood. And you think the name of this would-be

partner was Jamie?

Mr. Maheu. I don't ramember whether that was the first

name or last name.

MI. Liebengood.

How aid fires whatever way do you

spell his last name, do you recall?

Mr. Maheu. I don't recall.

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Mr. Liebengood. Do you know who accompanied Meier and

F. Donald Nixon on this trip to the Dominican Republic, the

celebrated trip?

Mr. Maheu. No, I do not.

Mr. Liebengood. As far as you know, they had nothing to

do with any Agency interest in that?

Mr. Maheu. No, sir, not as far as I know.

As a matter of fact, it's my recollection I found out

about this afterwards.

Mr. Liebengood. Who else was witting of the cover

arrangements that you had with the Agency through Robert A.

Maheu Associates? You mentioned Meier and this particular

one. Did you have other amployees who were witting of the

cover?

MI. Maheu. I believe Bill Staton was aware of some of

it.

Mr. Liebengood. And did he keep your books?

Mr. Maheu. Yes.

Mr. Liebengood: And outside of the mihrage cover Meier was

not witting of any other cover arrangements, I take it?

Mr. Maheu.: Not to my knowledge.

Mr. Liebengood. Do you recall whor the other personnel were

through the years that obtained Robert A. Maheu Associates

cover for the Agency?

Mr. Maheu. I don't.

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