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WARDS SPORN OTERAWISE.

The main purpose of my going there is

family matters and particularly to find a woman

healthy enough, clever enough to take care of

my sons, and this nain subject. I am going

to arránge in Moscow. Of course, I will meet

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words or among other people. Besides that,

I am going to visit some other officiais in

the Foreign Ministry to nom I am officially

(5)

attached in order to maintain the official contacts

and just occasionally I will visit the Central

Office and listen to their answers to their

questions. I will give the answers to these

questions, but I do not expect that this talk..

or talks will be very many of very long. They

will be very short, rather instructive, some

kind of brierings, because I will tell them from.

the first minute

of. my

being in their office

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But, he wou

beltane one En the center Juno (S]

Would be responsible for GRAy (5)

(JOHN. JS)

(interrupts) • BRAY.

Yes, he is thel S

only one who is controlling all this lines

If

I can interrupt just once more, along

the same line. Can you tell me anything you kno

or you may have heard of the relationship between

the KGB

ASSASSINATION LE FORMEA

MoSCow and LEE HARVEY OSWALDOU

PRESIDENT KENNESS

S JOHN:

nothing at all.

Nothing. That was

just coincidence that he was in the Soviet Union

and we treat him as a crazy boy. Psychologically

abnormal and it was mistake that we permitted

the entrance for him to the Soviet Union.

We considered that we made a very serious

fault (2)

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том:

It would seem to me that it would be

very stránge and unusual for the Second

Directorate or the Second Department not to have

some relationship with this man. li)

(JOAN)

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I tell you that I don't know the whole

story because I have no, I was not involved

in their activities any time before, but there

are, you know; there was a very wide response,

there was very wide response from which I can

understand there was nothing with hin. of coursel

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there are, there is an interest in any American.

who is entering the Soviet Union, to study

him, to find the possibilities to approach

him, to arrange something with him, but as

far as. this case concerns, there was nothing

of the kind, because he showed craziness from the

first step of being in the Soviet Union and

with such kind of unreliable paople we

are not

dealing and are trying to choose the most

capable people, clever and cold-neaded, soft-hearted,

like this, you know.

Generally, normal people,

but he was something beatnik - Beatle style (a)

The reason I brought this up is, as I

told you, our contact with you is being very

closely held. Very people know about it..

Obviously one of the people. who knows

about

¿s Mr. HELMS. - You know who Mr. HELMS iS (BOY

Yes. (4)C)

Mr. HELMS personally asked that I askyyou

about this because he says he has had some

disturbing news and it was for this reason he

wanted me to find out from you just what

exactly was the relationship between the

KGB and LEE HARVEY

OSRALD.u)

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I must tell you that I don't know anything

reliable to add. Probably there was some

approaches, some steps to study him, but it is

not known to me, but at the same time, I must

mention that we respected very highty KENNEDY

and in our mind he was the first after ROOSEVELT,

he was the first President with whom we could

deal because he was, he had a scientific

approach to any international issue and we saw

the prospects of cooperation with him and we

had very far-ranging calculations to deal with

him so we consider him that one of the most

promising man through whom we can arrange

all our relations with America.

We were very

interested in him so from judging even from.

this point of view, this is absolute nonsense

to involve such people in this affair. In our

consideration, I must tell you very, very.

frankly and it is from the highest strata of our

service that Mr. KENNEDY in our analysis, in our

conclusions, it is mentioned was killed by

representatives of a group of monopolists connected

with the south and East of the United States,

who hurted, I mean KENNEDY hurted their

interests, tried to linit their activities (a)

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..was done. It was very pleasing to us; because

we don't like the statesmen

who are very often

changing their minds, their statements, and so

on and so forth. And this kind of President

was very, very important for the Soviet Union:

It was - at that time I was

in Moscow and I saw

the faces of people -I saw the people in the

streets who cried, the tears on their faces,

and the mournful music by radio. This is is

a very rare chance when such a thing are being

done, in connection with the event of some other

country. This is a unique chance, so even from

this you can see the depth of our feelings in

this respect (u)

In yourecollection; since you were in Moscow

at that time and I know what a reaction this must

have had there, was there any talk, any gossip

at all about KGB involvement with OSWALD and

particularly the 13th Department(u)

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• LAnd I must tell you that we spend

about six or eight months or probably a year to

study the root, the roots of this plot against

KENNEDY and we used all the possibilities

in

this country and in other countries - all the

possible ways to find out what is behind this

plot.

what was behind this assassination,

pécause for us it wás a very strange puBile ](844)

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What is it - and after having sone reliable

infornation from here, from other countries, (5)

we collected and made

the final conclusion, and it

was told by MI. KULEBYAKIN who had the assessment

of all these studies

and research about the

reasons of killing him and TONinterrupts) (5)

This gentleman was in charge of this in

MOSCOW?](5)

He

was connected with the Information service

in particular withdro SIMEOy (phy ino colected

all the information concerning the assassination.

of President KENNEDY and there was a group of

information officers who carefully gathered the

information about this assassination and

studied.

You mentioned, pardon me, that after

receiving reliable information in this country

and other countries you were able to form this

conclusion.. From whom would you get reliable

information here as to that plotfu)

I get only the results from ar. KULEBYAKINES]

and it was repeated after that by Mr. SITNIKOV (Ph)

in the forest in Krasnoyarsk (Ph). Only the

results; but I'm; I was, at that time, in the

school, 101 school, you must know it, for one

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for training,

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Follow from

where

the information came, from whom it was

received, and by what ways through whät intermediates,

but I must tell you that all the agents in the

world were mobilized, the most reliable agents

in the world were mobilized to study this.

carefully, besides other possible official

contacts also were involved to get even far traces

fron far ---- and everything was gathered

and studied very carefully, and only after

that we came to that final conclusion about

which I told you. so

the sources I don't know - I

cannot mention specifically.

You can understand also that

KICHARD

know the reason for

wouldn't

HELMS' comment or the

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sources behind this.

All I know is that he did

say that he had had some disturbing news. JOHN ES]

interrupts) (s

I must repeat that I do not exclude

that approaches to study OSWALD

were made by

KGB, but as far as all the approaches are being

made to any American, to any foreigner, coming

to the Soviet Union -

-- I do not exclude it,

but was far as I know, he was not contracted

and as far as I know he was treated during all his(u)

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perjud of being. in the soviet

Union asa

• crazy man,

¡ and we were very glad when he left

the country. We were very glad when he left

the country. Also, that it was a pity that another

crazy girl went with him to the United States,

I mean

MARINA,

MARINA

Gas also a type of. LEE

HARVEY OSWALD(U)

There was no sadness at letting her go

then (2)

But, for us, you know all such things are

not very pleasant...We don't mind if there is

a little love -- a serious woman is going to

abroad and in many cases we are using this

possibility to arrange something, but MARINA was

not of this kind, not of this type of girls-women zy

JOHN

You mentioned your high regard for

President

KENNEDY

any of this high regard

transferred to President JOHNSON? (2).

This is a very delicate question, and if you

want, I can tell you frankly(u)

Yes, frankly, what you feel about him and

what is generally felt among your associatest)

So, about Mr. JOHNSON. We consider him

as a very ambitious man who wants to be the

greatest, or one of the greatest Presidents

in

the history of America, that he is very

ambitious and by character very "Texan", It is

impossible to say it like this?(2)

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"Very what?@)

A man of Texas, and we see many - yes,

LYNDEUR TENSON

typica Texan. And

we see many features in his

policy just of this kind. For us, it is a very.

big pity that he refused to consider the

conclusions of the people who were taken into

consideration by

Mr.

KENNEDY: I mean the

scientists in the field of world politics,

in

the field of home politics, and in the field

of general planning of the policy:.

We feel

a very great pity that in many cases he is

trying to rely upon himself, just ignoring the

conclusions of experts from the scientific

circles of different fields. But, at the same

time, taking into consideration all this

particularities about him, we were trying to

approach him and to deal with him, and, in our

opinion, the mair obstacle in dealing with him

is the mistake that he has done with Vietnam.

In our opinion, Vietnam is his greatest mistake,

that Vietnam will bring nothing to America and

America is losing everything in Vietnam, not only

in the military personnel, not only financially, not

only in annunition, but mainly in her political (u)

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to Southeast. Asia, So she weakened her positions

in other countries of Asia, in Europe, partly.

in Africa, partly in Latin America, and generally,.

by this inyolvement the United States brought

a number of blame-blamings in the United Nations,

in other international forums and so on and

so forth. But last time I mentioned some

ideas in this connection (U)

Now, I think that we should continue on for

Yes - next one is

GRETA. Her code name is

(S.)

GRETA.

FRETA CRES CODENAME DE ENU NARKULTAIN) POSSIBLY SALMETA NAREEL,

SALOMEJAIN.

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the Soviet Union.

She visited the Soviet Union many times.

is working somewhere in the newspaper - in the

newspaper. Possibly what one I do not know(S)

tier case officer is (S)

I'm going to tell this.

Previously she had

a connection- the contects with

GRISHA.

I have

COODE NAME FOR. KEN OFFICER

forgotten his - GRISHA is a code name, but

it is very easy to find him.

He was the only

one Eron Lithuania, Baltic Republic, He was an?

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The main thing that I should like to ask you

now is about the linitation of the people who can

have access to the matters concerning our cooperation

So this is : very essential for me at this time because

there are two considerations: (5.)

First of all, at the end of 1953 - at the

beginning of 1964, there was a case officer here in

New York. His name

was.

BOGOSLAVSKI, ALEXANDR

BOGOSLAVSKI (obviously referring to VADIM/ BOGOSLAVSKI

and his code name was

"ROSTOV" Somethin

something

& woman from the

FBI who told him arous

details of the arrest

of the group of Mr.

PAVLOV. - she gave him the

smallest details of

that story and that contact

was not developed later because, as I mentioned

we

were prohibited to do the actual work in New York,

so I am mentioning this detail now in connection

that if some technical employee, I mean typists and

filing people who can possibly have access to

my case In conversation among the friends in the

fantly or among even their dolleagues in the office

and give unnecessary details about my case -

so - I am very much concerned about all the possible

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(cord) Enterested to deal or even to have a short meisinis

with the highest chier of this agency. For the workin

purposes I think. It would be better if I deal with

you personally as we started. I feel, for me it is

very easy to deal with you, you understand me better

then Mr. JACK. (laugh) • And I must • we have

doubts and we shouldn't have any diplomacy in fact

It give me very big satisfaction to speck in you

and io see you always and I like such kind of people.

This is iny personal feeling and there is nothing

(TOM interrupts) (5)

I will relay again your wishes to Mr. KETS

and I don't know, the situation may change sometime

In he future but for the immediate present he said

It would inpossible. (s)

I'm not in hurry and there is no - not urgency

in that and I am not interest in seeing his senior

deputies or assistants but sometime i should like

to see him, hinself and just for a short time. It

It would be necessary fron the point of view of

the rock to see somebody of his agency, I'i ready

to meet anybody.(S

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Alright. Now the next thing Mr. HELMS has

asked re to take uy with you - relates as sollowing.

He had read the private report that I sent to hindu

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con

concerning your statements, what you had to

say about the relationship between the kGB and

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Now Mr. HeLls pointed out thai

ühe things

that you said were

exactly the same

story, the same line chat Mr.

KHRUSEGHEV himself

hed given io DREW PEARSON, Jou

Know. DREW PEARSONs

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the correspondent?

JOHN

Uh-huh (v)

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And that was aneh caller. Long before the

time that you roferred the o or 8 months the

ALEKSANDR

SENIKOV (on) and his troubre working on

collecting all of this information

•JOHN:

Un-huh (K)

TOM:

JoAN

JOHN:

So, Mr. HelMs said that he has very good ard

firm reasons to know that this line, the one about

the southern military industrialists being

responsible for the assassination of President

KENNEDY, he has firm reasons to know that this

is

not

the truthfu

Uh-huh (u)

TOM:

JOHN

That this was and that it is some kind of

a cover-up. (a)

Uh-huh (u)

TOM:

And he said that he wants ne to empress to you

his destre that the most important thins for you du)

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(on 5) to do genen you are back in Motion is to rina (SI

out everything possible, In the greatest detail.

SLoNellipossible, orthe real stoiy of the kea's relationsnip

with LEE HARVEY /OSWALD. OK.

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€ Un-huh.

If the KGB had - was enrolled in

that story - so it Is first unknown fronte now

and probably will be unknown fron me for a

considerable long period, funtil I occupy some su.

high posü in KGB or if or when i meet sone people

wino ned soine relation to that natter, ea

TOM:

JOHN

(That, about SInIKoy]($Ju)

LI doubt that ever st

SITNIKOV can have access

to

that matter because

If KGB was involved it was

a very secret and a very linited group which

generally judging could be involved in that matter.

And everything that I told you about that matter,

INT OSWALD, LEE HARVEX OSWALD, that was my general.

opinion, not base on some facts known from KGB,

this is from my general feelings and the feclings

of the people whom I met from different places at

that time, KGB including and so on and so forth.

I never met a Soviet man who was very. glad that

President

KENNEDY was assassinated. I have never

met such

a stngle tan in USSR regretting (10nJ3]

interrupts) C

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Let me clarify something, what we're saying

here is not necessarily that the KGB was responsible

for the assassination of President KENNEDY, but

that there was

some kind of a relationship between

the KGB and OSWALD(V)

mentioned last time - previously that I do

not exclude generally such kind of relationship

because os i illustrated, with many examples, we

are not inissing even a single chance to get - to

establish the relations with the foreigners aid

that was including visiting the soviet Union and to

try to arrange some relations with them useful for

the Sovict Union. We neves missed and we are

never missing that chances, not only in the Soviet

Union but in other countries I also mentioned je

before.

So, generally speaking, I do not exclude

that sona kind of relations took plece. i had

never an access to that files, to that correspondence

os to that documents - never. And I have never

net people to had the access to that papers as well.

So, now it is very difficult for me to

say all these responsible answers for this very comple

matter because I have no grounds for the citing

some docurent, some paper and give the factual side(l

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of the story. Probably with time being - some time

later I'll be in position to find out something

additional.

and Immediately I'll inforn you about

sju)

that

Everything I told you about the industrial

military concept it was told to me - it was - I

yas told about ühat by Mr. StrEKOV and Mr (SJ

KULEBYAKINI rEpeat it again. That was the final

analyais because all this assassination was a

very big puzzle for us and we suent many months

to open the roots of that assassination and i.

not sure that that conclusion was final and that

there are nothing more no: En the Central Orfice (S]

about that, but the Residentura was never informea

about anything else bedises that I told you.

Cos course, I'I1 try to meet la. sxInroY, vico

was very friendly with me in 1965 and if he is

In Moscow now and if he is not busy I will arrange

to meet. If he accepts my Invitation, I will invite

him to my apartment. If he finds it's nora.

convenient he'll invite me to his department. If

- a rinds it's possibil

we can meet somewhere in a

restaurant, in Moscow,

Anyhow, he can invite

ne in his office in the Central Connittee& hoge 1t

1o possible for me it is no problems to meet sr(s)

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SITNIKOV if he's in Moscow even for five minutes,

even to

say How are you?

ok'-well' you know our interest, find out

just what was the relationship.

Now I have ona

final lten again, request from Mr. HELMS, and for

a very important piece of information. Do you

know or can you find out anything about an agent,

a KOB agpnt or a soviet Agent, who was & very

highly place source within the United States

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physically during the time of the Cuban nissile

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I'n not sure, I don't know anything about high

place - high ranking agent in the goverrment agencies

of the United States, I can only guess but I know

for sure thet at that time we had very valuable

Information from the US Government about their knowledg

about: Cube, about their intention and about

practically everything. And, at that time, I ras

very far fron the American affairs you understand

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to improvo tho rolations with the Anericans...ance ho

mentioned that, in order to improve the relations with

the U3 and Japan, we even returned to japan thoso one

or two islands to the north of Japan which they mant

to have, because they aro bare, naked and ve have

nothing on then and it is a silly thing that no, for

so nany years, are trying to give then. (*(4)

(JON But you only gave then back two... thore vero four to

start v2th 14)

(JOHN:

I don't remember how many of them but he generally

said that, as far as he knoss, we are ready to return

those islands to Japan and to finally settle a11 of

our relations with Japan, and ve are ready to nake

sorious concossions to Americana, to arrange our

stratagical relations in the vorid...bocruse it 1s

his prosunption that there are only two super-donors

in the world which could docide she existence of hunanity

TOM 3)

Agalo, just for the record because you gave no a negative

answer on this once before...did you have the opportualty

or did you discuss at all with SITINoV the quastion

OI 10o harvey OSTALD und his connection with the EGE? (v)

(Jon:)

No,

had no opportunity to speas to anybody about

that Iren because lr. SITNISOY was vory far fron that (S

iter and ji felt that there is only one opportunity

to spoak about that caso...that is /with/ the Second

/CheS/ Directorate. But sinco I had very short tine (S

at my disposal, I only spole onco or tusce on the.

telephone with that nan fron the Peraonnel Doparteent

of the Second /Chioll Directorato..I gave you his nero

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Sirakh

Leven to not all the officers and chiefs of the Pirst

aled Directorate fag wanted to meet no and I couldn't

afford that moottis bachuso I uns so short in ay time.

Every day was so busy with talke with fir.

/vIROGRADOV.

with tr

VLADYKIN, with fir. PoLONIR, FAZABOY and nany,

many others. Besides, I visited many teachers among

whom I wanted to choose sombody for ay young sola(s)

(тон ;)

The reason I raise then is bocaune, prier to your

doparture, I had discussed these too itons as boing enes

in saich to vore terribly interested... and I thought (s)

simInor (gould be able to olfer souething on then (s)

particularly conceraing /OSWALD since you had sald that

he was involved in the collection of this inforantion

at the time, right after the assassination.

Xienenber

I suggestod to you (ther you night mention to hin)that (S]

this ta still so nuch ln the publie eyo and in the

prose back hore now and soe 18 ho had any further comment

on 18J (5)

(S

(лот:)

Korankly speaking,

SITINOV is very far, ..by the asture

of hie sort, . •very far fron those connections 12 they

had place /aic/. And the only people anong whon you

can find a proper ann...this is people fron the Second

/Chol/ Directorate. Generally speaking, 1t was (S]

nacossary to spend a lot of tino to approach themland

you know, you should have a rellable man lie SITHIkOV

azong then and I have nobody. My only hope waslur. (S

FEDOROY land through hin I vanted to lnow because ho.

wad always vory opon to no and we,

as friends, could

sreak about everything in the world.. And he knew many

things and he could tell no everything that he knew

or that ho hoard, But, unfortunately, (he llllod hasol? (5)

and that was ay ply. 40pg and it 10110d. (

(нАс з)

Do you renember that oldorly men whon you said was

a Soviet eitizen and who taught in Baltimore? MThere (5)

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April 22, 1967

Inis 1s a test. Inds is a test (U)

Today Is 22nd of April, 1966. 67 yes, excuse

me

we

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Yesterday I visited the Residency, just for a

yery short time to give the dictionaries for Mg.

VINOGRADOV'S (NIKOLAY_F. ) daughter and to Mr.

SOLOVEY,

(NIKOLAY TROFOMOVICH) • But Mr. VINOGRADOV and Mr.

MOZSHECHKOV (VASILIY VLADIMIROVICH) were not at the

Residency at that time so I left the dictionaries to

Mr.

GERMASH (YURIY P.), he promised to give them to

Mr.

VINOGRADOV. He said that besides he had something

to give him... some things to give him, and together

with other things he promised to give ny dictionaries

(5)

And I gave two telegrams, one to Mr. GERMASH

and another to our codist, communication officer, and

Who's that?

His name

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PEED SHOW OTHERWISE.

VLADIMIR

AND THE SEMEANT GALANTSEN)

me that Mr. VINOGRADOV and Mr. MOZSHECHKOV will leave

tomorrow on the 23rd of April, to Moscow, through

Paris.

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(TOM. IS

(JOHN:)(S)

(IOM:](5)

No, this is the feeling which is shared by

everybody including Mr.

KULEBYAKIN (NIKOLAI P.),

because KULEBYAKIN in May will be on Moscow and

he will exploit this accident 100 % (5)

Have you heard any reactions recently, or

especially yesterday, to the arrival of SVETLANA

STALINA in the US?

Yes, just at (the General Assembly, JI met some LS]

people, and before and after, but except the exchange

of views that she arrived New York, there was any

significant response that should be mentioned,

expecially.

Is there any concern expressed In the Mission,

In the Residentura? (S]

My feeling that there are the...neutral or

something like that, anyhow, we have no official

reaction which could be mentioned expecially here,

in this connection.

Has there been any communications from Moscow

eIther to the Residentura or to the Mission) concernine (5)

her arrival and what attitude...the official attitude

the Soviet representation should take?

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Probably there was some telegrams, but I

didn't see them.

Probably for the personal knowledge

of

KULBBYAK IN,

but, as far as I am concerned, (SJ

there was

nothing.

You haven't heard anything fron KULBYAKINgCSS

about this?

I dida't see him all these days. Because, he

prohibited to visit the Resideney during

the stay of

these two people, Mr.

MINOGRADOV and Mr

so I tried to do my best not to see him.

MOZSHECHKOV,

And I was

afraid to see him, because he would reprimand me

severely that I violate his order. (S

What's your personal reaction to/

SVETLANA's having

left the Soviet Union?

For me now it is very difficult to express any

special remarks about this arrival.. But, I can

understand her, because obviously she felt some

dissatisfaction after the death of her father and

she probably had some reason for this step, to leave

the Soviet Union for the United States.

Generally,

I treat her defection as a sign of her dissatisfaction

with her life in the Soviet Union.

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What is your feeling about the

attitude that

the Soviet Government displayed initially when they

refused to let her marry this Indian....or when they

refused to officially sanction the marriage?

All these things is very far from my knowledge.

And, I only can give you my

" personal comments, but

as far as this question is being asked just

unexpectedly, I must think it over. So, generally

it is very difficult to say something about the

things to which you don't know, in detail. And

generally, I heard about her when she was a young

girl about 15 or 17 years old. I saw her pictures

in the newspapers and after that time I have never

seen her pictures and I have never heard anything

about her. So, I knew that there is a daughter of

STALIN living somewhere in the Soviet Union. What

was her occupation and what was her life, I didn't

know at all. And, just after her departure from India

to Rome I found out from the American press that she

was married to that Indian. I didn't know about

that before. So, that was...

Well, she considered herself married to him, but

the Soviet

authorities

never would recognize the

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not to tittie

marriage as being a proper marriage. She was never

married...you know... under Soviet law.

So, all these things is out of my knowledge.

And, it is very difficult for me to comment...

Can you comment on why the treatment would be

different to her. Now, other people have married

Soviet citizens, have married...Soviet girls...

Officially.

Officially.

Yes.

OSWALD

OSWALD married

MARINA, he apparently had no

problem at all marrying MARINA. In a reasonably

short time he was able to get the permission to have

this thing registered at the Zod's (phonetic)...

everything taken care of. Why...and this has happened

in many other cases...why would they treat this

case differently. (4)

Probably that was...there was some considerations

connected with her father, probably with her previous

marriages...I don't know, because...I repeat, that

it is very difficult to comment the things that

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