Originator: FBI
From: DN
To: HQ
Document date: 01/20/1965
Document type: PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

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JFK Assassination System

Identification Form

Agency Information

Date:

4/1/2015

AGENCY: FBI

RECORD NUMBER:

124-90086-10234

RECORD SERIES:

HQ

AGENCY FILE NUMBER: CR 87-76294-36

Document Information

ORIGINATOR: FBI

FROM:

DN

TO: HQ

TITLE:

DATE:

01/20/1965

PAGES:

30

SUBJECTS :

JOSEPH STEIN

FRANK A. BLOSSER

DOCUMENT TYPE: PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

CLASSIFICATION: Unclassified

RESTRICTIONS:

4

CURRENT STATUS: Redact

DATE OF LAST REVIEW: 07/14/1998

OPENING CRITERIA: INDEFINITE

COMMENTS:

RPT

Released under the John F. Kennedy

Assassination Records Collection Act of

1992 (44 USC 2107 Note]. Case#:NW

68252 Date: 09-22-2022

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

OPICION ORIGIN

CHICAGO

DENVER

TITLE OF CASE

RANI A. BLOSSER,

HO'S ANDUSTRIAL BANE,

AURORA, COLORADO

DATE

1 - 20-65

9/29/64 - 1/18/65

ART MADE LY

SA CARLTON H. WOLFARTH

CHARACTER OF CASE

ITSP; AR

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REFERENCES:

Chicago letter to Bureau dated 11/0/64.

Chicago Birtel to Indianapolia dated 12/17/64. (10%

Report of BA JESSE L. ORB dated 1/4/65 at Denver.

-P.

LẺAOS

S4 INDIANAPOLIS AND MILWAUKES - INPORMATION

Copies of this report have been designated 10r

Thatanapolia and Milwaukee inasauch as there may be a request

1 possibie additional investigation in there offices.

AT AURORA, COLORADO. Will ascertain

telephone number

and telephone credit card number of FRANK A. BLOSSER and ascer-

tain toll calls made by BLOSSER for period February, 1964,

May,

1964

COPILE MADRI

rape

IN CHANGE

CIAL AGEAN

DO NOT WRITE IN SPACES BELON

87176294-1

36 REC.6

(copies on 11 page)

1.

/Bureau (81-16294)

i B 4 MAR 121963

Disromination Rocord of A

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Mon

Agonay

Request Reed.

Dote Fod.

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Doro Neranbar 30, 1961

1

On November 24, 1984,

3452 Chapel Drive, Toledo, Objo,

appoared at tho chicago

offico of the FBI

and furalshed the follentag Information

which do requested bo maintainod on a confidential

basis.

It in to be noted the following dot: sorth: 1"

Herbatun. It 1a to be further

noted that

in turalshing this account appoarod

to ranblo on aimlessly; however, ho vas attomptiag to

surDisa Iarosuatlon as to the sacts as they happoñed.

It uill be further notod that

born

July 11, 1923, 18 marriod and the lather of your childron.

Ho has an extensive educational background, having

Indians; B1188

Bloctrical Baginousing Collago,

Part, Maryland; and tho University of Texas Collego of

Ho is a rogistored professional engineer

and mas formerly an Ensign la tho Unitod Statos Naval

ReservO fron which he vas honorably discharged:

"I went to rork los taighla and Hughes 1n

August, 1961, 88 VICO Presidont and Diroctor of the

Сотраду.

In 1962, I bocano the Assistant to the

president,

LLOYD HUGHES and KENTUC

MAIGIN. This mas a Toledo, Oh1o 11ra.

In July, 1962, I recolvad a call from a man

by the DanO Of HARRY M. BANK Of BOVOrlY B1lls, Calliorals,

uho statod do vas a linancior and could sinanco tha

desigo and buildias of composting plants, and mould yo

come out and soo bin lor thase projoots.

Thore would

bo 12 08

thon.

I wont out and ubilo talkiag to bin,

I had loaned just a mook of so prios, there had beos as

argUMORE bOtHeR KEN KAIGHIN and WOND HUGHES 10 which

Lord HuGHss stated he would buy out Kent kalchIn.

Bald 1I LLOYD HuGuss then bought out KENT KAIGHIN ho mould

own tho stock. I sald that is correct.

do said could

no then buy tho company and I stated,

•Yes you could.

You rould ona 100 por cant of the stock."

So ho identifiad

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an attorney, both of whon stated that they vere the people

who had just bought and leased back Harrah's Club in Reno

and had nade a commission.

Ne ran a Dun and Bradstreet

on both of the gentleen and at that time it looked very

good. MI. PIVAR showed a $1,250,000 net worth. MI. BANK'E

pretty good dealg.

On November 2, 1962, the purchase of

" corporation that they had called corporate Resources, LTD.,

another friend of wine that I convinced to buy in vas

th1s J.W. SHARP for 24 per cent. J.H. SHARP has been a very

close friend and associate of mine since 1956 and I have

done engineertaß and design vork for bin on cement plants. Canada

He is the President of a steel company, a min worth about

combined net north As in excess of $1,000,000,000 so they

Te yor legitimate businessmen. TRAN IC MAN sit a to als

Board of Directors of the Royal Bank of Canada.

Ele balance ught 25 per cont of the stock and I was trustes,

He then invited the list of men that you

ohio

Not

wash,

¡e had JALi ROBElISON, and SAMUEL PIVARU A had

Oh. BERNARDYWOLSON, an attorney Iron Toledoy ARAMATTHENS,

Vice President of Carnation MilK, JAMES POUCILE WIO VAS

President of Space Needle at Seattle World's falr and on

the Board of many banks and autual lunds and a shopping center

expert; and Major General FARRAND. Major General FARRAND 18 retired

irmer Connshallg General of the Third Army

4.5.A,

During this period of time at the company, barry w

BANK Introduced to me in April: 1963,

entlenen, one by the saze of JAkIShLCkSON ind to'othes

E.O BOEATOX and they sald that they vert Panelors and bad

shopping center in Tulsa, Oklahona and ve could have the job 11

no save them $50,000.

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Then Kr. PIVAR demonstrated that ve could buy a company

In Los Angeles that would retura about $1,000,000 to us,

which purchase we went ahead with.. HARRY ". BANK was

to be the financier, which he did not do. Mo this led

to a fight between the purchasers and the sellers.

Then

1n June, 1963, I received a telephone call fron C.H. DEATON

of Dallas, who said that JAMEs JACKSON said that they

had purchased the ownership of the French Pavilion and the

World of Food Pavilion at the New York Morld's Fair

and would ve be the contractor for they and that they rould

finance the job. Funds 1n BsCION frOM various exhibitors vere

urned over to then in trust because in some nanner they got

to be the officers offthe corporation. Their attorney at

N

that tiMe HaS GEORGE MONAl.N, fOrmer COnnissioner of police

of new jock aitr The three of them undoubtedly were out

to fleece the exhibitors. He didn't know this at the time

but the money in trust was turned over to then and we sere

called in again to exanine the prints and agroed we would

do the job at cost plus 10.

"While there was a light between the purchasers and

the sellers; Mr. HUGHES net with Mr. DIATON In New York City

and they discussed Mr. DIATON buying Kalghin and Hughes

and MI. HUGHES sas satisiled... I loft the decision entirely

up to his because you could see as trustee and President

of the company, I uns getting in the widdle of about three

of four groups.

Ar. HUGHrS stated that he would sell to anyone

who had the soney.

r. DiATON gave three checks,

one in the

amount or $104,000 and two totalling 3250,000. $100,000

tas the deposit on the purchase and $250,000 was the down payment

on the purchase of Kaighin and Hughes. While I was out of tova,

I got a telephone call fron the office and learned that the checks

had bounced.

To got hold ou DRATON and JACKSON and we ran

a chock on then timediately. DIATON, ne could find nothing

about at all, oxcept that he was carrying with hin a letter on

a Bank at Nassau stating that he had a line of credit of

$1,000,000 and as an officer of this bank. On JAMES JACKSON,

learned that he had sorved a term for fraud in the state

of Florida or GeOrgIa. I'm pretty sure 1t vas Florida. So, ve

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because ve had let sone subcontracts 8o, and ve loarned that

they money in escrow had disappeared.

The FBI was called into

I know that for a fact some of 1t went to

Joi OnsiAn, the former Commissioner of New York City

N. Y.

Poltce Department, because he was the trubt viticer sor

the runds. To bod to take part in 1t. Thop this brought

the warfare between the group that I represented and LLOYD

HuGhEs out in the open because they said, "You are interferring

with the operations of the company and behind ous' backs tried to

sell to people we didn't vant. "

DEATON And JACKSON professed

complete innocence and stated that JACKSON had received a pardon

and had established a now l110 so to speak.

so, on September 13,

1963, things becamo unbearable.

I went into consulting practice

and did consonably woll.

I continued testilying, fisting and

representing the purchasers, and it was taken before the federal

Court. Mr. HUGAsS had confession sotes so ho imediately had

judgments and ve coutered with a counter suit for 95,000, 000 and

a hearing was held and it vas stated that we had grounds for

our case so the judgments were set aside and the fight was on.

BOSEBANK and POMERs couldn't have and didn't come up with their

share of the expenses. Mr. SHARP, who had very ittle to do

W1th Ka1ghis and Hughes, came up with $25,000 cash bond to the

court to support the fact that we were people of substance, paid

the legal fees and he put dut about $50,000 cash and said that

ho wanted to get rid of BANK and PIVAR and anyone else in the ness

and lets get out of this. He scused ue of very poor judgment

and he was right. He threw ne a couple of bones to work on as

an engineer, one of which was a cement plant, and I nas ableto

aako the ends meet, bit 1t vas close.

In about April, 1964, I received a call from JAMES JACKSON

ITO TuI, Orlaлоnа.

learned since then it vas actually

Betheny, Oklahoma, which 1g a suburb of Tulga. He asked se

what I vas doing and I toldlin I was a consulting engineer and

taking on clients. He professed complete disassociation with

DEATON and sald he wasshow the Chief Mortgage Officer for

Columbia National Life Ingurance in Tulsa and that he lived

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1n Oklahoms City and the main offices vere 1n Tulsa. He asked

Me 11, In My design and endineerine, I cane So

projects

that needed financing. I said obviously overy project needs

Ilnancing in Bone lOTh. He said, "Mould you pass then in front

of us?"

I said, "Mell, I would need to know nore about your

company and her big 11 18". He said he vas going to send the

data but he didn't.

copfeTenco call.

MI. JACKSON BAId"HI. POWERS represents a client who 15 v1111a8

to hire you for your se-vices concerning a steel sill."

MI. POWERB lid. the "iting and asked de 11 I nould take on the

client and I said I would be happy to. They discussed my

qual1ficatlon8 and I was accepted and pald $2,000 a month.

The contract was signed on May 7, 1964.

In a few days after

that they brought in a gentlenen by the name of HARRy ESpeNScHIED,

President of North West Construction Compery of Rocktora,

Illinois, and they stated that they wanted me to work for hin as

_a consulting engineer and he would pay se $1,000 a nonth

and I sould help hin obtain constretion contracts. This then

gave me $3: 000 a month incone, so I had the world by the tail.

The lirat project, that came up was the Gary Park tover, lnc.,

and I learned that the financing was connitted to JAMES JACKSON.

Thef Mr. BILLINGBLEY becare interested in some of the projects

that I bad, and I trote s senorandun to hin describing the

Jobs

I had worked on and that I would be going on during the year

and they annunted pretty ciose ta $1no, 000, 000 worth.

This nade a lot of people very interested.

Mr. POWERS said that

1f I would work with bix he would handie the 11tigstlons in

Toledo foI $25, 000. I didd'' kave this money, nor did the

purChaseIs,

which were BANg and pIVAl.

SHARP washed his hands

of the whole matter.

they said 11 i would vork with their people,

they would pay the legal expenses on the light, continue with my

fee, and I mould recoite a bonus on each job.

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Bary much real. He had obtained letters of intent from all

of the people giving us equity and construction, providing

ve could finance.

He took me down for coffee and said he would

like to give

me the background. The background was in two

phases; 1.

"Do you know who I am?" I said, "No, I do not."

He sald, "I am the attorney of one of the attorneys lor the

syndicate and they have control of banks and insurance companies.

The banks and insurance companies are very real and very

clean and there 1s nothing irregular about them at all. l

would like you to meet my partner." GuIDe

FIDANZI appeared and

he was introduced as POWERS'

partner. He

sold me that whatever

he got Mr. FIDANZI would get half of 1t, and they could assist

me 1n this progiam.

I said, 'Well, lets make it understood

now, the person I don't want to do any business with 15 Mr.

JACKSON. I'*e had a very bad experience.

I don't know Mr.

Ni%.

FIDANZI of you, MI. POWERS, but I would want to check you out."

They said, "Anytime anything doesn't look right, you can leave

and you can move into my office at 75 Bast Hacker." '

The y

put my name on the door of POWERS' office and I moved 1n.

The second phase was that be had to describe to ne

the reason

for certain people being in the picture.

The story

was 50 complex that I truthfully cannot repeat

, It to you so

I will tell it to you as l belleve it to be.

DRATON and JACKSON appeared on the

scene with some

securities of proported that they could obtain some securities,

from which they could borrow a very sizeable sum of money

which would increase the net worth of North West Construction

Company considerably.

To do this they would need $60,000.

MI. BILLINGSLEY Called MI. ESPENSCHEID and gave hiM this StOry

and as unbelleveable ag 1t 15, Mr. ESPENCHKID did not bring

a check but he came with $60,000 in cash and they sat him in

a motel room.

Present at the meeting was HARVEY Portis,

BILLINGSLEY, DEATON, JACKSON, and a gentleman appeared on the

scene by the name of FRANK BLoSSER, the President of a bank

in Denver. I never did meet him.

The neeting had something

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to do with the securities being carried by DIATON and sonething

to do with the Denvor

Bank.

INo socurities appeared and,

without the advice of Mr. POMERs, the $60, 000 Mas handed to

Mr. DEATON.

Also at this sane time, $70, 000 vas paid by

MI. ISPENCHZID tO MI. BILLINGSLEY for stock in a sining

company that would pay in gold of reclain gold. They spoke of

having another processing systen that vould make steel very

quickly and they showed se the data. I told then it was not

a steel producing formula at all, 1t was merely a mix that you

put in a blast furnace that would speed 1t up.

HI. ESPENCHEID

clained that he had been bilked of a $130,000. C.". DIATON

disappearod 1n Iive minutes and was driven to the alrport

by BILLINGSLBY and left tith the noney.

POwERS, being there,

offered his services to Mr. ESPENCHLID to collect the money

for 25 per cent of bat be collected and he brought in GUIDo

FIDANZI as the man able to collect it.

They kept putting

OII MI. ESPENCH.ID stating that he would build the Gary Projoct

and the Bhreveport, Louislana Project.

I felt sincerely that

he would be given the opportunity to build then.

They clained

that bocause of the moneys involved that originated fron the

Sypdicate in Chicago, they had to keep JACKSON in the pot,

but the money always came Iron ESPENCHLID, who 15 very clean

businessman.

So they must have had a third dealing which I

didn't know about and that JACKSON is and has been notified

over the phone concerning. The deal was that he was to pay the

$60,000 back to POWBRS.

In August, they said they would introduce ie to a nan

who had access to 16 actuarios or insurance companies and

anothor man who had access to banks.

The man who had the 16

N.L.

Colo

That evening they asked me to have dinner with them and they

Introduced me to their banker, CHARLES YORX, whose brother they

claimed was the President of an lnsurance company 1n Indianapolis,.

and said that KI. YOBK was tho President of a bank at

Mascoutah, Ill1n01s. At dinner when they got to feeling pretty

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good, they were telling we that. YORK had nade a

mistake at the Bank of Mascoutah and uas close to a Fodoral

Indictment.

They said he hadabout lour houng to get out

and he had gotten out by getting somebody to buy the stock

of tho bank. In August I vent to POMERS and asked hin tho

these people vere.

I said I didn't like the looks of 1t

this 1s strictly legitimate because I Will be handling the

money and it cones Iron four, biggest insurance companies.

How can you so wrong?" He said, "No will introduce you to.

Ill.

principals."

Bo they loaded me in a car and took ne down

to 805 loath vicion areau to the office of the Fire ene, ri

National MOrgage COupany ana Introduced Me tO dOb-Pi

STEIN. 4.5А.

Present at the meeting were FIDANZI; DAUBER; BUBINO,

STEIK:

another gentlenan Iron STIN'S OffICe, LIOKARD STALLMAN;

CHARLEB

YORK; and myself. They were talking about an fir wattag BiLbINGBLaY

make some checks good. They wanted to know If they could handle

any projects where they could set the 10 per cent feeß.. They

said they have a very 8ood plan and asked se to leave the room.

Do I left the roon and they mere talag for about an hour.

Then they case out they drove me to Wheeling, Illinois, to

251 Bast Dundoe Road, where I not a gentlenan by the name of

BOB FERRELL. The said that he wag a man worth 82,500,000

and was very successlul in obtalning linancore. They said they

don't touch anything for loss than 10 per cent dons.

I said,

"It I don't get the money for them or the loan, what happens

to the 10 per cent?" They said, "We got the lon." I said, "O‹ay.".

So FIRRElL was put on the Board and they incorporated. Actually

we vere in business sor a couple of weeks, but dolag nothing.

No really started about the middle of Septenber, and

we had Hootings in FERRELL'S OffiCe with DAUBER and FIDANZI

and POWERS being present..

Som after there was a falling out

between POHERS and FIDANZI over a largo sun of noney that vas

theoretically handed to POMERS to be transported to a gentlonas

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of 1t got there and the balance didn't.

to no that they had two people in Mlani pick up liliu and

take hia to a notel room and let him sake one phone call to sonoone

In New York and that someone ln Now York called Chicago

the 11n0 and Bald, "You have t1l widnight to come up with my

half of the noney, which in 812, 500, or I'll got you".

It may have been true as HARVY poweRs did disappoar.

I later

heard that he hid out in BILLINGSLEY hone 1n Z1on, Illls01ß.

He approached BILLINGSLEY's home at 2:00 in the norning

with a :45 and said that ho vas 1a trouble. BIlLlneshi,

being a religious fanatlc, brought his in and had a prayer noeting

to work togother and have everything cone out..

They then

considered ne as an outsidor bocause I was left at Morld Mido

and it ended up where everything floppod over to where 1 vas

with PIDANZI, RUBINO, and FERRIlL and on the othergide was

lach vere calling the other sanes

and I wanted to find out who I mas to take orders fron. BOB FaRRILl

Bald, "I have been instructed to tell you that I work for one

family and there is another lanily, but me are connected through

me here, and you will be 1s a son concers that me are solar to

build up."

I sa1d, "Noll that sounds very alce but who are

the principals?"

He said, "I will take you to them."

ade a trip to venver,, comisdo

and no vent to the offices of

the National jocurity Iaventuant Company and I vas introduced

tO MiES VIOLA ORINDORER to Vas prosiuent; and her fianco,

II'.

Mad "s office in Mlami, and they had Just put through a 827,000,000o olo,

deal fron which a tremendous anount of noney had been sado.

There was sonething poculiar about the lunding of this committ-

mont whih they did not discuss but said that they "handled

Fla.

It through a very large insurance company in Tulsa where they

owned the vice president.", This vas sy first indication of the

t1o up of Miami, Dallas, Denver and Chicago.

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At dinner that evenidg; BOB FERRILL gots drunk

real quick and talks.

And at that time, when everyone left

the table, he said to BURT

and I sre brothers." BURT seened to be quite startled by 1t

and he said, "No, no BURT, BOB has to be one of us and you have

to toll him, no want to identily each other."

BURT Ba1d, ''Yess,

BOB, 1n 8 MARDer Of spoakInG, to aro brothors."

I returned to theling and they started handling or

processing these packages; each job 18 called a package, and

ve cancelled sone of the packages which BILLINGBLY Was 1n

default of.. They called BILLINGSLLY up and said the Denver

package cas be handled in Denver and ne will got you a

committment but 1t vill cost you 825,000, 80 he came up and a

contract was prepared and they asked se to sign 1t, which I

did.

He paid $25,000 cash and in three installments.

chined that in essence he was buying back his own deal but

he was logally and rightlully 1n default. .

When I had gone to

Denver, I vent with a gentlenan by the name of AMERMAN of

Bhopping Center Utilities, Inco, 369 Lexington Avenue, Hu 2-7130,

don jora, a legitinate buslbess nas. . The Denver, lower people

III

Introduced se to a Mr. ROY HARMON, JI,, President of Harmon and

Beckett, a very legitimate businessman, and the owner of this

tallest building in the norld and he asked no 11 I had any

association with a fellow by the nane of BIlLIngslit, Of

HOMARD SCHAAD, and JOHN BIRDSELL. I Baja, "Yes.

I worked with

then as a consulting engineer." He said, "Well, BIRDSELL.

and SCHAAD MeTe InVOlVed 10 a 875, 000 fraud 11 Denyer and BILLINGBLY

1s a part of then, and we are going to rold our conracts.

I Bald,

"I an with another Denver Company and they can finance

1t, which 1s National Security.

Bo they. cancelled the author-

Ization to POMERS and worked with a man In Denver and FIDANZI

went fanatically madi about it.

That 1s when DAUBER told so.

"Has it dawned on you yet that the warfare between POlaRs and :

PIDANZI 18 put on, and that actally POWERS 15 with BILLINGSLBY

and that 1s how FIDANZI and poMeRs can control bILlingsloY..

This way they have wilked by threat or pronise of contract,

Over $250,000 ITOR BILLINGSLEY.

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25E. 1201=2

In the forustion of World Wide when ne opened

Killingül.

N.L

422 Madison Avenue, New York, ROBERT TERRELL, ad e/Mellow bi

the name of BABId of Ashland state Bank or Chicago.

'To had a

land

ban sent to us fron a company called Home and Commercial

Corpoation in Newak, New vergey, and an Ondi MinDuss, contacted

me, through the eiforts of MORRIS LANDSMAN, for a legitinate land

loan. They vere developing a complete subdivision and they

had plenty of collateral but they had no cash. They could

provide the guarantees and they wanted to borrow only $325,000.

So me told then put up 832,500 and would get the loan. Rublio

olled a gentlenan by the name o1 DobaiOß.ias at ansas alty

who had arranged to sond a dummy crodit deposit or $600,000

Mo:

to a Utah Bank who mould 1ssue the 8325, 000 loan lor six per

cent. I asked hin how can you use a credit deposit of that type

to arrange that kind of a loqn and he said, "Hell these things

are done, and don't vorry sbout 1t."

So I called OMEN MiDDLs

and explained to ba that 1 don't particularly 11ke this nay

of raising money. An hour later I was called on the carpet

and was told that I made too many phone calls, and I trusted

too many people, and I talked too much and that this man

owed 332,500 and he better get it in because no are going to di

pay $325,000.

I bald, "Noll, I like to know how but I won't

talk any more." I later learned that OMIN/MEDDLES, 1s to receive

back 2 percent of the lo,ed to must bee me one cace

arrangement.

Then I received a paczage

Track at Milkes Barrie, Pennsylvania, and they wanted to borrow

$3,500,000 and 1t came through OwEN MiddLes.

I had no say of

francing 1t and was going to give lt back and say I couldn't

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handle 1t, because I had not looked, at the plans or made any

gurveys on 1t. I told them that I was going to send 1t back.

Tey gave me the word I shouldn't send it back, that they

said he was a principal at Pocono, and if we put it through

would there be a percentage on the concessions and prograns.

I said, "Who are you, Mr. MESSINA?"

He said, "I'm a princtal"

1n a very gruii voice.

I said, "Hell, I don't see your same

on the list of principals."

He said,

"Lets just say that I'

a principal and I have other people handling 1t for me." About

'a half hour later I got chewed out by FIDANZI.

In October, apparently they sad the projects that 1

had coming and they were all excited so then it becane a question

as to who was to run the operations. They had signed this contract

with Mr. BILLINGSLEY and I learned that they had collected

$25,000 and I don't belleve more than $2,000 of 1t got into the

bank. I had been to Denver with BOB FeRRElL and net the .

Denver people and then I net JOB STEIN and they agreed that

STEIN would help us.

There was dissension between FIDANZI,

RUBINO, and DAUBER.

So on & Saturday 1n October, I got & telephone call

Iron GUS RUBINO and he said, "Can you nork with se?"

I said;

"Yes. I'm world wide Mortgage, so 11 you can get mortgages,

yes." An hour later I got a call fIon FIDalul ana he sala

GUS RUBINO was out and,

"Will you work with no?"

"You fellows don't seem to understand this, but this is,

company

and don't nake a statement of that sature."

that 1 an running, and 1 am World Wide, orld to, "

"Well the man decided that RUBINO is out. I said, "Who's the

Мад?

He said, "Norer mind."

Then DaUBii got on the phone

and us1ng very vile language said, "Well I was at GUS' house

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when you told hin you would nork with hin. "

I Bat,

"I'm Norld Wide Mortgage and I w1l1 nork with those poople that

can perform in the lleld of linancing. "

"I know where I bave

the projects."

¿don't know BUBINO."

"I don't how FIDANZI

and I don't know

Jou." About this time no question was in

uy mind what I vis settina mysell into.

I said, "I would

I1ke to talk to the man and before I 8o nay further, I vant

to know what I's getting into. "

He Bald,

"Well, can you

quietly sneak into Chicago, but don't you tell FIDANZI

I 'n ATTAngIDG 1t."

So I came 1n Sunday mornias on the 8:00 plane and only

RUBIXO was there. He took no in a cat and I said, "Who an

•I 801a8 to Bee." He said,

"I don't use names. You are seeting

a man by the sano of JIMl." Bo I matched hero ne mont and no

went to 10309 Bouth laraule, and I vent 1n and I net a gentlenan

Iatroduced to no as JIM C. and told "You can call hin JIllY."

Ho said, "Tho can you nork with, RUBINO or FIDANZI".

I sald,

"I want to knon what this 18 lending to" and he sald, "e

need college educated men, men of good background who have

logitinato prograng and no want to keep 1t logitinate. "e

have ways of raising noney through banks and insurance companies

aIl very clean and logitimate, and I don't want anybody interfering

w1th 1t."

This land loan he spoke of; the Gary H18h RiBe

cosmittaent; a loan to a nan where they vero going to nako

845,000 cash; and he nentloned fourth one which he didn't tell

about, but it mas snaller.

They JIl asked no 11 I could vork

u1th

• FIDANZI and I said I

can work with anyone at lorld Vide.

What would he do?

Ho said, "Tell, I Moulda't do

anything".

I said, "FIDANZI took this Denver package of mine and

ho sold it to a group".

JIN really got mad and said,

"He sold it to hin for how nuch?"

I said, '*825,000."

He said,

"Did you need the soney?" I said, "No.

That 18 what

I don't

11ke."

DAUBER then cane in and said that they

decided that I would stay with RUBINO because he could get

conmitments and DAUBER nould stay with FIDANZI so that ho

would know what fIDANZI was doing so that he could report quickly

to JIM and BUBINO.

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Me moved out to RUBINO's real estate office called

King's Rental, 14428 South Hestern Avenue, Posen, Illinois.

Newere there

for about a meet and out of a clear blue sty

FIDANZI and RUBINO were good friends and I sald, "I would

11ke 'to talk to the man agata to seo what the situation 18."

8o RUBINO and DON ROSS and DAUBXR and I went back to JIl C's

home.

He decided that RUBIND's time was up and he couldn't

get the connitnents but FIDANZI lnen how to raise the money

and that he was supporting business.. I again asked bow

1g he supporting the business when be collected 825,000 that

FIDANZI did sign and the money mas never deposited, he

just put 1t 1n his pocket and he went.

That was the night

- JOE BANANAS' nother died and they were having a valo.1n

Chicago Heights and over the phone by code they said,

"Jog's nother's wake, you know where, and he wants you there

at 8:00."

FIDANZI went there and JIM told him, "Got the

Denver Package back or you put the $25,000 back." That 1s

when it really dawned on me there was going to be no package or

$25,000 back. When I got the nail 1s November, there was

& letter Iron Ashland State Bank stating they chose not to have

us as an account. "

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He had my secretary,

Mrs. ROSE BICK, call ASHLAND

to find out why and me learned that a check for $5,700 had been

written on our account that GUIDO FIDANZI had taken. They

had schened up an arrangement with a fellow. by the name of DON

BIAZAVIER who 18 an innocent dupe and whom they have gotten for

about $30,000 to date. Now what he was to do with this check

was they had arranged to take lt to a fellow by the name of

BICKL in Kenosha and he would give them $5, 700 in cash, hold

the check for a few days and then deposit it.

And, GUIDO

FIDANZI got the $5,700, and he got two additional checks that I

don't know their exact arounts, but I know that the three checks

together totaled $10,800. The

$5,700 check was not held by BICKL

but immediately deposited with the bank the next day and they had

closed our account.

That 15 when I sald that I demanded to see jIlty

because I don't want to have anything to do with that at all,

that there was not any attempt being made to be legitinate and I

wanted out.

So I got a call' by coincidence free GUIDO FIDANZI,

and 1 g81d,

"GUIDO, I have typed up my resignation and I want

an explanation for

the $5,700." I sald, "I also vant an

explanation for the $25,000", and he says, "Well the operating

funds for the company have come out of my pocket."

And, I

Bald, "How could that be? How much have you put in?" so he

went

down the line and he itemized about anything that he could

possibly think of, iscluding fictitious payments to themselves,

and he could only go up as high as about $14,000. So I said,

"Actually, then GUIDO, you haven't put any soney 1n, have you?"

Ада, не вага,

"No, but it was my idea as to how to get 1t IrOm

BILLINGSLEY.

I said,

"I was told that I was president

and that you fellows were not involved, and that this would

be cleaned up.

It isn't going to be and I'n resigning."

1nd, with that BILLY DAUBER got on the phone and snarled 11k€

an animal. It was something that I can't describe.

He threatened

me with language, that I couldn't repeat. He said

that I was going

to stay and nake my projects come through and get these deposits and

fees.

He said that he didn't like me from the beginning anyhow

and that I didn't understand the situation. He said, "I take care

of guys like you with an ice pick and I'm on my may over", and "He' 11

get you some night and gouge your eyes out or use a .45 on you."

*B1g

shot," he said, "President"

, he says, "I'm in charge. I'n

the

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I've been the boss all along and I answer to JIllY and

1f you want it proved," he sald, "e'll get you with a little

"You just get in that car and

you head for Toledo."

Be said,

treatment, that we call with the shotguns, you and your

Ianily."

He said, "How would you like that?" He said,

"You're

going to stay there and

do what you're told to „You're going to llke it and youre going to

I said, "I vant to see the man."

He said, "You are

talking to the nan."

with that I looked for

FERRELL and couldn't lind him.

That sight he called ne back

and I repeated to hin what tas said, and I told hin that I nanted

out, and

do to get out 'cause I snor where l an.

he must take me to the man or whatever it le that you kAds (ex

He says, "Well,L

can't tell you waht to do because I'm the boss up there, and te ve

got big plans". He said, "JIM!Y 18 just a anall potato and takes orders

And he said,

"Don't let these fellows excite you. "

and he

"These two fellows, you can have them in the river 11 you want

then." He was drunk and when he's drunk he talks, so the next norning

*I went to his office and I said

"Look, get me to JIllY. I

want out."

He said, "Mell, l

let né show you how I operate."

And, he drew a nap, a chart, and it showed a closed line and on

the left side was MILKAUXBE

directly under him and l answer only to his.

to do. Mon 11 you have a complaint you can only take it to JIllY

CATUARA and CATUARA takes 1t to ALDERISIO. Now 11 I have a

complaint I can only go to MILWAUKKE PHIL who will then go to JIMMY

CATARA who will then take care of 1t, but you can't go direct.

Ve're having a meeting Hednesday downtown and I will nition

this matter there.

I can't tell you and will not tell you what

to do for obvious

reasons. I will call you and tell you only

yes or no and then it's up to you, but 11 you get out you will be in

our camp where there is real money, very businesslike and very

profitable, and de can bring you out of debt."

Well, I never got the call.

That night BILLY DAUBER, at the office, called me and he

apologized and sald that he had heavy gambling debts and he was

under pressure and sald I trust too many "Square JOHN"S" as they

call 1t.

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He said, "He noed nosey

and we got to get it last because

we havo to anaver

to sone people." So they sald that ve want to

got.

this going and me want you to set up a weeting with POwiRs and

BILLINGSLEY, and we will tell you about 1t.

So the next day they case 1n, DAUBEB, FIDANZI, and a

third fellow I had never seen before, and have never seen

since.

he was not introduced to se - Itallan, slender, very

slender, usual dark clothes, weighed only about 135, about 5r 7".

He apparently took great del 1ght in setting up this weetlng, and

they

docided to have it at a restaurant up North, which they

didn't name, and then they said, "Can you get poniks to come to

3ist ind Haisted?" So I said I could and they said, "Hell, we

mant to talk to him.

He need a lawyer and we need a good one and 11

nothing else, he could steal for us.

No always nake noney with hin.

Ne don't trust bin but he has not stolen too nuch,"

So I called fron my apartuent POWERS, and he and BILLINGSLEY

Instead of golng to the restaurant, cane to the apartuent.. I called

abandoned them.

I thought that was unusual because they had

really abandoned ne, because that's how I got Into 1t.

That's llke the White Box playing the Yankees and I'm on the

White Sox to the seventh inning and then in the 8th 1nning I find

out that I's on the Yankees and don't know how I got there.

They.

sa1d,

"Let's work together" and "if ve can trust you we will show you

how to really nake noney."

So they left, and about live minutes later there was a thump

They were loaded

they had just left and I thought this was to be a neeting.

sald, "You just trust too many people", and walked out and slanned

Then I went back to peRkall and told FEnniu the nest

day that'i had to mee the san to get permission or materer it tool,

that I vas getting out.

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He sald the man you nork with or should nork with 18 ay

man stili, they sake plonty of money, so he sald, "You have

to seke the nove."

So they had BILLINGSLY and POVERs go out with uy

packages and they were getting deposits fros various people. They.

collected $22,000 for Trumen and Conpany on the Gary jOb, and

they claimed they gave it to the attorney for Truman and Company

who deliverod a connituent.

Then I was ordered by GUIDo to go to New York and.

verlly last reek, uhich I did.

for all intonts and purpores it 18 & connituent, but there

vas an application with 1t, and, 11 you have & loan you don't

have a commitment for a loan and then have to 1111 out an

application and attach $10, 000 to 1t.

They said,

"Yell, don't worry about that:

to have the noney. You just get

the application signed", and I said,

"yell, the bank in Gary. 18

-obviously golng to nake

a call.

They to golng to call the ITUNED

Company 1n Men Tork and 1t will be verlfled."

on Friday, I got the call for Tennessee Gas which I've

been waiting for for sonths.

It involves a very legitinate deal

with Mr. SHARPE.

I mentioned that I Mas going to Housbor;mand

I told DAUBER about 1t.

"Hell, can't

ve get the deposit money Iron Gary?"

$10,000."

I Bays, "Nell, the 810,000 you don't get. It goes

with the application back to the

Trunas Conpany."

Не ваув, "Nell, te' ve

Rod te have to set It 11 quick „lot to get noney 1a this office

I sa1d, "Noll, 1t's sy understanding a lot has come 1s,

but I haven't seen 1t,"

and sald, "There 1s such a thisg as incone

taz".

And, he Bays, "Yell, you don't wrlte ligures down and

you don't renember figures"

And then DAUBER sald ho wanted to be my frlend and help

me out and he described that they had a meeting one week ago Monday

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1n a notel where POWERS, FIDANZI, MESSINA from New York, and DAUBEE

were présent to discuss

me, and POWERS sald that kis roople wanted

ne.

DAUBER says, 'Yu know they get you che of two ways. We

trade you or they buy

flesh - you kaow what we mean?"

And I said, "I get a pretty good 1dea."

He said, "Ho put a $100, 000 piice on you. Il they want

you they must pay

us $100,000 and

you are free."

BILLINGSLSY, alter my trip to New York where I went to

Trusan and COspury Cs

the Gary and Denver jobs, felt he was saving

ne; as he put 1t, aod the $100, 000 vas a reasorable price to

pay because he had large suns of noney in there already.

Obvious'y I was the key and the only key anyone had to

making noney.

I sald that I ranted to be free of ary of this activity

and out of 1t.

He sald I knew that he was clean and went through

quite a demonstration of religion and prayer.

He took me to a

Dr. MUNTZ outside of Philadelphia, by Klugs Row of something 11ke

, a very ciean and religious man, and quite devoted

M20, and he verified BILLINGSLIY Mas & good nan.

BILLINGsLEY nald he nould held me nork ty way out..

Then tecdule of the heavy log me drove ITOw New

Carlisle, Penesylvania, to Pittsburg to catch a piane, and

on the way i told hin that they had made all kinds of

threats

and 1t was

gettilg very dangerous, and he says, "Don't worry

partner. l's the key and l've got the power over them, and

POWERS knows all abort them, and POKERS is going to get you out and I'm

going to get y:: out,

and because of what I've got over them.

I've paid & it of money, and 11 1t came to that I'd go to the FBI

11 1t coxida't do."

POTERS emphatically said,

11ve •

BILLINGSLSY sald that the LORD protected him, he was right,

and 11 he went nothing would happen to hin." POWERS sald In this

case he wouldn't stop bullets.

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a Lave old that are you got tod

aa1d,

1t3*

together. "° aRid, "YOu knON JIDANZI and POWERS RIO POrkIIE

He said, "They have stolen a lot of norsy la two

weeks.

How you told

ae about $10, 800 and Jilly teong about

$45,000 a180..

Ithink the nooge 1a going to be put ca libriul

even though they are rolated, and I don't think 1t's going to

be much longer.

Now we had this meting on you to deside whether

So I discussed With BILLINGSLBY My Call Iron Tennessee

Gas and the urg-Ig of FIDANZI to go to Gary to get the deposit,

and BILLINGSLEY sald, "By all nonss 80 to Houston because this

san

Is the kind of san that given you an appointment maybe three

nonths in advance. He travels all over the world and their

subsidiaries."

I was deterained about uy livellhood, in that shortly I

was getting out of this, and things 11ke Tennessee Gas are 1n

my line.

I was going to Houston and that night at 11:30 GUIDO FIDANZI

Houston, that they needed money and they needed It fast, big money,

and Gary the big noney.

Не буд,

"Now you said you'd get the comnitnest, row

you collect"

I said, "I didn't get the commitmeit.

BILLINGSLEY

did."

He eald, "Mell, you approved 1t."

I aa1d, "I dida't approve anything. I Will go to Gary

but I must go to Houston."

He sald, "Don't get on that plane."

Ad, then I got another call at 1:30 A.H. Sunday fron

FIDANZI screaming and warning that he had net with the fellows and

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that they are thred of not saking any' noney.

So,

because JINY knows that they have collected over $100,000

over the phone, said that $16, 000 was not enough ard they had

to get the depoelts 1n.

MESSINA sald he could deliver a contractor for $275,000

on a job 1n Baltinore which I didn't know about, but BILLINGSLEY

Joined up with powels and they say that they prefer that that

not be busit,

but they will get the

$275,000 8Jd

that than le held they that them up, but they .

the $275,000.

I said,

"POWERS 1l1 have to handle that. I dos't knon.

anything about 1t."

I" frost of me he called this Mr. ACE

They told me that because I did go to New York and

worked on the Gary connitnent and this Denver commituert that I

I wanted to know where

NoT, MESSINA 18 also behind this Pokono Haror Race

Track and curtes and threatens and everything ustil that comes

through a's a tex percent finance charge with two perient Back to

OWEN HEDDLES who is at a home and commercial mortgage company in

Newark, New Jersey.

Se, the second time when GUIDO called he said the fellows

decided that I wanted money. He said, "We don't have a college

education but we can think in the terms of cash."

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GUIDO FIDANZI called Mr. MESSINA 1n New York, and I

was present, and he said, "ACE, about that collection job that

POWERS spoke to you about when

he was in New York for

50 and Bee the man Monday or Tuesday. Give him a day and 0 fe

bours, preferrabiy 48 hours to come up with the money.

Be &

gentlerar, keep 1t nice, keep 1t neat, after 48 hours," he said,

"You know what to do."

NESSIRA must have said okay and he w1il take care of 1t.

That was Friday.

AMBRMAN 18 & Ittle fighter, so 11 he did get contacted

I think he would teil you - I'n pretty sure he would te. you,

he's a lighter.

Then going back again to my Saturday calla, Sunday

norring I was caled by GUIDO FIDANZI who gaid that he had mat

with the fellows

and they wanted se. Re said, "He don't have

a college education but we know how to collect money ard you

are going to collect 1t, or we are going to have to shon you hom."

He used all kinds of profanity ard threats as to what they

were going to do and he said, "You will call your

'billionaire

8OB' in Vancouver and tell him not to go to Houston, he owes us

$30,000 on kis commitment for the cement."

I said, "You gave him no commitment for the cement

Plant. You introduced him to no principals."

He sald, "I don't give a damn. Who does he think he 18,

some kind of god or sowething, that we have to introduce bim

to principals. He wants money, we've got money.

He'11 pay the

deposit quick. You get hin into Chicago and that's an order, and Ill

collect the money.

FErRELL's out.

I'm telling you, don't get on

that plane and don't you let SHARPE get to Houston,

everybody shows

up in wheellng tonday and te are going to decide who's what and

What the next thiag 1s going to be."

3o, Ilret thing sunday morning I called illuinistsi

and he ezye,

"Ico, POwers has the control over those fellows and

can handle then.

The LORD ig with us and will protect

us and I

have control over those fellows because of the money.

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trust un and to'll buy you out of there but talk to Hikert

bocaura ho can do 1t and I will see his Honday."

I sald, "Have HARVEY Call z0."

Anyray, HARVEY calls no and tells me the exact

opposito.

"You better show up at the meeting in Wheellng and you

bettor not go to Houston."

So, I call back BILLINGSLEY and told hin. He couldn't

So I then ando the call to your Tolddo Office and the

Cleveland O1f1ce and then snuck into Chicago and took the 1:15

plane to jouston.

When I got there I I1gured I was all right

because no one would ligure that one out but they paged me, and so

I figured "no, I'' not foing to take the page", that mould

ely identily ne.

Bo I stopped into & phone booth and telephoned

for the sessago and they gave ne "Please call Operator 33" and favo

ne this number which was GUIDO'S number and I sald thank you and

that was 1t.

I went to the hotel with sHARps and ve discussed shortly

what we were going to discuss and I went to the lobby and

made the call to this SANDRA SADILlo. I called her from a pay

phone because I didn't know anyone or what and didn't want to

talk long and said the threat was made again to me becauge they

know i' here and I think they are going to meet the plane when I'a.

back.

He went over to the Tennessee Gas Olfice building, 30

stories high, largest utility in the world - to give you some

Ides of the great number of employees.

We are standing at the

reception desk, BILL SHARPE here, Mr.

waltiR, senior Vice

president of the company and President of most of their

subsidiaries next to me,

the young lady says, "It's a call for you."

it and

and the phone at my fingertips rings and

It's GUIDO FIDANZI.

Не вдув,

"I see that you got there, and I see that you don't listen,

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your pago."

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It's true, I dld not tako that nossago and 1t rould st111

be laylag there.

Apparently sonoone was there. In this trenendous

bulldies they knew exactly where I vas standing, thich nas no

hero soar WHITHER'& offico, No conducted our

business which

"honed a vory 11n0 opportunity In 1965 which I want, I want 1t

vory badly.. I didn't know what would happen when I got back to

Chicago and stopped off the plane last sight.

I'd like to add that yo

¡Rio Is Iron atlanta, Georgia,

and owns several very elaborate motols - the Atlanta Caballi, tue.

Dallas Cabana,

and the Los Altor Cabana. He approached our group

asth a proposition to iinance the Desert Cabana 1n Las Vegas lOI

which he has leased the land. He told se that he had $9.7 1llion loan

fron the Toansters, that he knows HOllA personally and Intiaately,

and they talk once a wook and that ten percent of the stock goes

back under the tablo 1n another name to JIlly Horra.

He said 11 we came up with two and one-hall million for

the second nortgage, and one million for the gambling guarantee require

by the state of Nevada, and a contractor who would hold his profit

to the end of the job, we would have seventy percent of the venture.

They wanted the deal real badly, the group here. This

" was handled

dontons, so this was above JIlly.

I knon that to be a fact. That would have to be STEIN'S

office-dathe tern downtown from FERRELL has always neant STEIN'S

office and he is always there in the afternoon.

If I wanted him

now I could call hin and he would be at STEIN'S Office. Then they

wanted DALE ROBERTSON to Iront it.

I called and went to see DalE out in Hollywood and

explained to hin and told hin he should say "no" because of his

commitments. He said "no" and I discouraged the contractor from

801n& into 1t.

I got called by o. saino two weeks ago tomorrow

(Movember 25, 1964)

wheratn ho said that he had just spent two

days 1n Las Vegas with several of the Teamster trustees and they

vere soing to also buy out a hotel in Reno.

I have got the name

of the Black Mere of something. He said they positively re-comnitted

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this deal to them and he says,

"I have ho fear of losing that one."

He says, "So don't vorry about that but are your people going to

MOve?"

Our people,

I 8a1d, "I knon of so may at the present time to do 1t."

So, they didn't press that natter but they are fanatical

now about getting this soney 1n.

I don't recall the date but I guess 1t was around

September or October, somewhere in therey

I By a series of

telephone

calls I know that rubINo, Piy

ALDERISIO, and CisintE

YORK flew to St. Louls and saw a gentleman by the name of STEVE

mo

LUNETTA of 1795 Dunn Road, St. Louls, Sherwood 1-5100, because he-

had a contractor who mas going to pay $200, 000 cash for the

privilege of doing the Gary job, 1s advance. They said that there

could be no Gary job.

ni lins

Then I learned that LUNETTA is associated with JACKSON, and

I don't know how but JIM JACKSON is now the authorized agent for

group of legitimate businessmen in Pueblo, Colorado, to sell one

million four hundred thousand worth of stock in this new race

track that 1g under construction. And, I understand, he has been

pald either thirty-five thousand or lifty thousand dollars. I have

heard both figures.

JACKSON, LUNSTTA, RUBINO and ROSS are handling

that one.

They almost got their loan through Harris Trust here

because there is a bank lawyer in a high position who passes on

these matters and they own him.

He was going to handle it but they.

had no "Square JOHN" as they call them to go on the paper.. They

attempted to get a gentlenan by the name or xiiiii

HARRINGTON 1D

Indiana as a contractor to go on iti because he is the contractor

that T intend to use on the GaFy job 'cause he 1e god looked

clean and well-established and has the det worth.

It over and alter meeting JACKSON, RUBINO and ROSs, called me up

buy the stock. He said, l

and told me he wanted to bare no part of the buildings, but don't

Hit doesn't look right to me."

I Ba1d, "I's glad you cane to that conclusion."

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Hotel on South Yester! Avenue where they were trying to peddle

the stock while JACKSON was there. The connltrents will start to

come through right now.

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