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Agency: CIA
Originator: CIA
From: KNAUS, KEN. EO/DDO
To: WITHHELD
Document date: 11/24/1976
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OFFICER'S

INITIALS

COMMENTS (Number each comment lo show from whom

do whom.

Draw a line aeross column after each comment.)

Ken

Knaus

EO/DDO

TO: (Officer designation, room number, and

building)

1.

Mr.

Grinwis

2.

3.

RECEIVED

FORWARDED

Ken Knaus

7E-26 HOS.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

You asked

the other day

about public statements made

by either Mr. Bush or Mr.

Colby concerning Agency

policy on assassinations.

Attached is far more than I

am sure you ever wanted to.

know about this subject.

You will note however, among

all this verbiage'

the only

really explicit public state-

ment against assassinations

or at least the only one

that the computer has recorded

is the one made by Mr. Colby

in his TV appearance in

October 1975.

Mr. Bush's

only public reference is in

an implicit rejection. Would

you please return these

statements if you have no need

for them as I assume the

subject will reoccur each time

the new investigating committee

turns the subject over.

11.

12.

13

14.

15.

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WILLIAM E. COLBY TV APPEARANCE OCTOBER 5, 1975

EE

FIND THAT

IN

THAT

THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE TIMES,

IN THE 1950'5

AND 1960'S, THERE WERE THING

WERE

CONSIDERED

QUITE

HEEMAN:

APPROPRIATE AT THAT

TIME

WHICH ARE

NO LONGER

CONSIDERED

FFROPRIATE.

SOMETHING AS

SIMPLE

RS

THE

BREAK-IN ON

DR.

ELLSBERG'S

PSYCHIMTKISI

THE

PEOPLE WHO

BROKE

IN,

WE

KNOH FROM

BELIEVED

THING RIGHT AND

PROPER FOR THE

GOVERNMENT OF THE

T'S A QUESTION FOR A

JURY

TO DECIDE

DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.

THEIR TESTIMOND STATES IT'S

THEY WERE

DOTME

COLBY:

AND

I THINA

THA

DE.

NOT FOR ME

""C!

I'M EXPRESSING MY BELIEF

HERMAN:

BUT DON'T

AT

THE CIRCUMSTANCES,

YOU

HAVE A

AS I KNOW IT.

HE

WOULD NOT HAVE

FEELING

ABOUT

IT?

ANY OF

NVICTED.

WISE:

MR

COLEY,

DO YOU THINK

THAT. THE CIA SHOULD KILL

OUR_EMPLOYEES ACTU

THE

POLITICAL

IN

OTHER COUNTRIES? AND HAVE

THEY EVER DONE

SO OR ATTEMPTED TO

DO 50? COLBY:

LETTINE

IN 1923. I ISSUED DIFECTIVES THEN

LENE THES

THE ANCHER

I PER TWO REASONS. BY THY

SUBJECT R

REASONS

UNE

TÙ GŨ

I THINK

WE

CAN SEAR

INTO OUR NATIONAL HISTORY A

VERY

DAMAGING WOUN

AND

THINK,

THAT

SOME OF THE FACTS OF

THESE

THESE MATTERS

SECONDLY,

THINGS,

BECAUSE

WERE DISCUSSED AT THE

TIMES,

OF

THE

WAYS

ARE VERY. MURKY

AS TO

WHO WAS

PART OF IT

AND

WHERE THE-APPROVAL AND HOW DETAILED THE

APPROVAL

WAS.

WISE:

BUT

YOU"RE

SAYING THAT

IT

WAS A SUBJECT.

COLBY:

IT IS NOT A SUEJECT FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION

ARE

YOU SAYING

THERE WAS

AN ATTEMPT OR.

COLBY:

I AM SAYING

THE

WISE:

SITUATION WAS VERY MURKY

AND

THAT

I R

EALLY DON'T

BELIEVE

THAT THIS

SUBJECT

IS AN APPROPRIATE ONE

FOR AN OFFICIAL

TO BE

TALK

ING ABOUT.

WISE:

BUT HOW

ARE WE

GOING TO

GET

THE

FACTS

ABOUT

IT

THEN?

COLEY:

NE

HAVE

EPORTED ALL THE FACTS TO THE

SENATE

COMMITTEE.

THEY HAVE

EXAMINED

THE

MATTER

INDEPENDE

NTLY

GEE "EL" THEN!

ELE TO

LEM. BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE IT APPROPRISE FOR ON POSSESSED E

BELIEVE IT

THINK WE CAN HURT OUR

VERY SERIOUSLY

MEAN WHEN SENATOR

DALE

MENTIONS,

ECUTIVE

AS HE DID

IN A SPEECH THIS WEEK,

THE

EXISTENCE

OF A

GROUP

CALLED

THE

EX

ACTION GROUP FOR A

COUPLE OF YEARS

IN

THE

EARLY

SIXTIES WHICH

WAS

CHARGED

WITH

RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAKING

PLANS,

HYPOTHETICAL

OR NOT,

FOR

THE

ASSASSINATION

OF

WARIOU

S PERSONS,

THAT YOU'D

RATHER

NOT

TALK

ABOUT THIS?

COLEY:

WE

HAVE

N

THIS

GENERAL

SUBJECT TO

THE COMMITTEES

BUT

I DON'T

REPORTED

EVERYTHING

BELIEVE

THAT IT'S APPROP

RIRTE

PUBLIC DISCUSSION.

ABOUT?

COLBY:

I DON 9 ORE

YOU

D

ON'

T

THE

LIT

FO

SENATOR MONDALE

HA

TOL

T SAY ONE WAY OR THE

APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION

PUELIC

"9

THAT

DON"T

WHEN

BELIEVE

SUEJECT

IS

THE

THE

SENATE

REPORT COMES

OUT.

COLEY:

THERE HAS

BEEN QUITE

A LOT OF

PUBL

DISCUSSION.

SCHORR:

THERE

HAS

BEEN

COLBY

BUT

I DON'T

THINK

IT

APPROPRIATE FOR

DISCUSS

IT

IN GREAT

DETAIL.

HERMAN:

ARE

OU SATISFIED WITH THE PROSPECTS FOR SECU

OF

WHAT YOU HAVE

TOLD

THE

THO

COMMITTEES?

COLEY:

I THINK OUR RECORD TO DATE HAS

GOOD

IN

THE

SENATE.

BEEN

HERMAN: NO,

I"M

TALKING

THEM.

MK.

COLBY.

COLBY:

YES

HERMAN:

DO YOU

THINK

THAT

THEY

WILL

KEEP SECURE

} I tree

THINGS

THAT

YOU

WANT

KEPT

SECURE?

COLBY:

WELL.

THINK THE SENATE

HAS

KEPT ITS MATTERS

QUITE

CAREFUL.

WE

MAD

DISC

SSION LAST

WEEK,

AS YOU

KNOW,

WITH THE

HOUSE COMMITTEE

RS TO

LD DO THINGS.

AND

THINK

THAT

Is

AN ARRANGEMENT:

THE

IT

COMPROMI

AFFORDS A

VEHICLE FOR

REASONABLE MEN

TO COME

TO GOOD

CONCLUSION

S

E EXPOSED AND WHAT

SHOULD

BE

KEPT

QUIET

THERE MAY

OME

INDIY

ALISTS ARE VERY

ENÉRGETIC

BE

PROSECUTING THE POSSIB

LE

TATEMENTS

ING IT WITH ANOTHER

AND

IN

ADDING

UF

TO AN OVERALL

STO

RY

UT

pend Lub

WOUL

5

WOUL

OF

HOW HE KOU

RRANGEMENT,

AND

TO WHAT

LEAKS.

SHOULD

MAN

YOU

JOURN

HAT

8°

MPAR

PLINE OF

THE

P- hus

SENATE

AND

THE HOUSE

COMMITTEES AND THE

DISCIPLINE OF THE

EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

THE MOMENT.

BUT I

AND

WOULD HOPE THAT WE AMERICANS,

MERICER WILS

to

PE

RFECT

NEITH

WE

TRY

TO

E

MAKE INT

OURSELVES

IN

THE

WAY

HE

IT.

WISE:

MR.

d WU

IGE

LITE.

NSIBLE.

WE

CAN BE RESPONSIELE

OLBY,

IID

THAT ASSASSINATION IS NOT A

GOOD SUBJECT TO BE DISCUSSING

PUBLICLY

BUT

A

IG

ABOUT

THO WEEKS RGO.

YOU

DISPLAYED

THAT

POISON

DART

GUN

AT

THE

CHURCH COMMITTEE

HEARIN

G

IN

THE SENATE.

AND I WONDERED

IF THAT

GUN OR

THAT TYPE

OF

WEAPON HAS BEEN

USED

AGRIN

ST

ANY

FOREIGN POLITICAL

FIGURES.

COLBY:

THE

GUN HAS NOT

BE

EN

USED.

THE

GUN WAS

BROUGH

T UP

THERE BECAUSE THE SENATE COMMITTEE RATHER INSISTED

OLUNTEER

IT:

CERTAINLY.

BUT IT WAS

ON

ITS BEING THERE

I DIDN'T

R PART OF

THE EVIDENCE

THAT WRS SUBMITTED

TO

THE

CO

MMITTEE.

AND THERE WAS REALLY NO REASON TO

SAY THAT

COULD

IT

WAS 50 HIGHLY

CLASSIFIED

THPr

I

T

NOT BE

EXPOSED.

SCHORR: MR.

COLBY.

AS ONE

GETS

AROUND

THIS COUNTRY,

ONE FINDS

THAT

ONE OF

THE

THINGS THAT MILL

NOT GO

AWAY IS

THE

POPULAR MISUNDERSTANDING

ASSASSINATION

OF

ABQUT

PRESIDENT KENNEDY.

I GUESS

YOU'VE

RUN INTO

THAT.

AND

THE

AND

GUESS

TIME AND

TIME A

GAIN,

PEOPLE

ASK ME:

THEY-VE

ASKED

YOU,

-DID

THE CIA DO

I SAID

i AS

KNOW.

THE

CIA

HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER

IT?-

Y CONSPIRACY

IN

THIS

COUNTRY

AGAINST SEE EERICAN FIELICE GONGED BOS

FR

KENNEDY ASSASSINATION OR AN

COLBY: CORRECT

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SCHORE: ONE OF THE REF

NS THAT

PEOPLE: DON' TUNDERSTE

"THE ROLE OR LACK OF ROLE GE

THÉ

CIA

IS

THAT THERE

•THINGS

THAT

CIA DID

OUT

KNOW

SOUT

TANGENTIALLY

CONNECTED

til

WHICH APPARENTLY

DIDN'T

COME

I'M

TALKING ABOUT,

FOR EXAMPLE:

THE

SERIES

OF

FIRACIES TO TRY TO KILL CASTRO, WHICH WAS NEVER COMMUNICATED

TO THE WARREN COMMISSION:

RS FAR

AS : I KNOW.

JOHN MCCONE;

AS DIRECTOR,

HELMS,

AS DEPUTY DIRECTOR:

TESTIFIED Arb

DIDN'T

TELL

THE

WARREN

COMMISSION

ANYTHING ABOUT

THAT.

WOULD YOU CARE,

IF YOU

T WAY, TO SAY

THAT

COVERING UP

THINGS

THAT DIDN'T

MATTER LIKE

FEEL

DIDN'T MATTER

THA

MUCH

- = IT

WAS' A MISTAKE

AND GETS THE

THAT,

CIA BLAMED FOR A LOT OF THINGS IT

THAT

LBY: WELL,

THE

CIA IS

SOMEWHAT

ACCUSTOMED

TO

BEING

BLAMED

FOR

A LOT

DIDN'T

DO?

CO

THINGS.

CASE;

CIA DID

PROVIDE

• IN

THAT

TO

THE WARREN

FORTH.

COMMISSION

EVERYTHING IT

APPARENTLY

KNEW

ABOUT THE

ABOUT OSWALD AND

IT DID NOT

DISPLAY

THIS.

•MATTER."

ASSASSINA

TION,

BUT

YOU

MU

ST

REMENBER

THAT.

MR

ALAN: DULLES WAS

COMMSSION;

LY

KNEW

SOMETHING

MEMBER: OF

THE

ABOUT

SCHORR:

THIS GENERAL

SUBJECT.

AND

HE

WARREN

AND HE

CERTAIN

COULD HAVE BROUGHT THAT QUESTION

IN

VERY

EASILY.

CAN YOU

SAY NOW

THAT: OTHER

THAN

ITS

INVOLYEMENT. WITH

CASTRO

WHAT

AN

THAT WHICH

MAY

OR MAY NOT HAVE

BEEN. INVOLVED. WITH

WAS

GOING ONSIN

OSWALD. &

THAT.

IN

THE

CIA HAD NO

CONNECTION WITH OSWALD

NO

CONNECTION

Bus Buy

IS

MIND

NOT- HIDING ANYTHIN

THE WAY

THAT

WE'RE FINDING

OUT

THE

HAS

FBI DESTROYED

CERTAIN DOCUMENTS;

THAT THE

CIA

NOTHING FURTHER TO REVEAL ABOUT

OT

ABOUT

THE KENNEDY

ASSASSINATION

ASSASSINA

WE

TION? COI BY:

FROVIDED

CERTAINLY NOT,

MR.: OSWALDOR: ABOUT THE

ALL THE

WE HAD

AT

WAS

IN

ANY. MAY

RELEVANT

MATERIAL

TO THE

MATTER

TO

THE WARREN

COMMISSION,

WITH:

EPTION

OF THE POSSIBLE

STORIES ABOUT MR.

.THE

SINGLE

CASTRO,

WHICH

THINK WERE CONSIDERED

A5. NOT

RELEYANT. AT

THE

TIME.

WISE:

WOULDN'T

THE CIA

HAVE

WANTED

TO

BRIEF

OSWALD,

DEBRIEF HIM WHEN HE CAME

BACK FROM

THE SOVIET UNION,

ASK HIM ABOUT HIS TRAVEL

5

IN

THE SOVIET UNION? I'VE

• ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT

THAT

COLBY:

WELL

THERE WAS

SOME

NSIDEATION OF THAT:

BUT HE HAD OTHER CONNECTIONS,

OTHER

THAT.

WISE:

CONTACTS,

AND:

ANY DEBRIEFING

OULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED THROUGH

R

CONTACTS,

• I

DON'T UNDERSTAND

COLBY:

HE

HAD

•SOME

OTHE

AS I THINK HAS COME OUT IN

THE RECORD,

STATES

GOVERNMENT,

OTHER

EN

HANDLED

ASPECTS OFOUR GOVERNMENT: wISE:

WITH

AND ANY DEBRIEFING

THE

UNITED

THAT

WAS

APPROPRIATE COULD HAVE

THROUGH THAT MANNER.

BE

ARE YOU SUGGESTING

THE

HIM? COLBY:

•I :

THINK THERE IS IN THE RECORD THE

FBI

MIGHT HAVE INTERVIEWE

FACT

THAT WAS

SOME CONTACT

-EARLY

ON W

ITH

THE FBI.

HERMAN: WHEN

Y

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MR.

EE

COLBY ON MEET THE PRESS

WAS

INDIGENOUS OR WAS BEING STIMULATED AND SUPPORTED

BY

FOREION

INTELLIGENCE OR

RITY

SERVICES.

MR.

GELB: BUT

DUP OWN STUDIES SHOWED

THESE

SECU

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES.

MR.

COLBYS AND IT*

THAT

WERE

NOT

CONNECTED

WT

TH

IT. WE FOUND THEY

RE

NOT CONNECTED.

IF WE HAD NOT

STUDIED

I Te

WE COULD

NOT

STUDYING

MAKE

BUT

THAT

FINDING.

NR.

GEL

YOU COULD

MAKE

THAT ARGUMENT BY

SAYING YOU WOULD

HAVE TO

KEEP

STUDYING SOMETHJIL

OREVER TO

INSURE

DO

IT DIDN'T

HAVE A FOREIGN CONNECTION.

MR.

COLBY:

NO,

I DON'T

THINK

VOLI

YOU RESPOND

TO

A

PRESENT NEED,

A PRESENT

•PROBLEM,

A

PRESENT

DANGER.

WE TERMINATED

THIS OPERATION

YEAR

AND

A HALF

AGO,

BECAUSE

THE

PROBLEM HAS

GONE

AWAY IN GREAT

PART

AND:

CONSEQUENTLY THERE

IS

NOT

A REASON: FOR

CONTINUING

THAT KIND

OF.

AN

EFFORT

TO

IDEN

TIFY FOREIGN

LINKS

TO

AMERICAN DISSIDENT ORGANIZATIONS.

MR.

ROSS:

SENATOR

CHURCH

THAT

HIS

SAY'S

INTELLIGENCE

COMMITTEE

HAS

NOT

BEEN

ABLE

TO

FIND

EVIDENCE

:OF

AN

ORDER

PRESIDENT

FROM

AN

THE

CIA TO

PLAN ASSASSINATIONS. DOES

THIS

COLBY:

THAT MEAN

THE CIA WAS

ACTING

OWN

IN

ON

RREA? MR.

DON'T

BELIEVE

DIFFICULT

THAT

I WANT

TO TALK ABOUT THE

SUBJECT OF ASSASSINATIONS.THIS

IS A VER

AND COMPLEX

SUBJECT

SOME

OF

THE'

FACTS

ARE NOT

WELL

KNOWN

OR

NOT

WELL

RECO

RDED;

AND SOME

OF

THE DEGREE

TO WHICH

VARIOUS PEOPLE

WITHIN

AND

OUTSIDE OF THE

AGENCY

WERE A PART

OF

ANY SUCH

ACTIVITY

IS NOT

VERY

CLEAR.

WE

HAVE REPORTED

ON

THIS

FULLY

TO

THE

COMMITTEES

AND HE

WILL DO

S0,

BUT

I DO NOT

THINK

IT

APPROPRIATE

FOR

PUBLIC

DISCUSS

ION.

ON

MR.

ROSS:

LET ME

TURN

TO ANOTHER AREA

HIS

THRONE IN

THE MID-FIFTIES.

THE

HRE

DEAL

MORE

SHAH

THEN.

THE

CIA

PLACED

THE

SHAH

OR IRAN BACK

NOW ONE

OF.

THE PRINCIPAL REASONS

OUR

WHY

PAYING A

MONEY FOR

IN

THIS

WE

GREAT.

INSTANCE,

AS

OTHERS:

IT HAVE BEEN

BETTER TO

JUST ALLOW EVENTS

TO

TRKE

IN

MIGHTN

THEIR

NORMAL COURSE?

MR:.

COLBY:

AN

D ALLOW THE COMMUNIST

PARTY

OF

IRAN TO

TAKE

OVER

THAT

COUNTRY?

I DOUBT

OU

WOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED

THAT.

THIIX

FROM

THE OIL

LONG

BEFORE

THIS.

MR.

ROSS:

WOULD

NOT

OIL

IBLY

BE

CHERPER.

BEING

BOUGHT FROM THE

COMMUNIST COUNTRIES? WE

HAVE ENGAGED IN SOME

Si:

RT

OF

AN ATTEMPT TO NEGOTIATE

3

OR NATURAL GAS FROM THE SOVIET

UNION

MIGHTN'T THAT BE A CHEAPER PRICE

THAN WE

ARE PAY

ING

OUT OF

THE PERSIAN GULF

RIGHT

NOW?

MR.

COLBY:

IN THE MID-FIFTIES,

C

OMMUNIST.

EXPANSION WAS A VERY

GREAT DANGER AROUND THE WORLD,

THE

PROBLEM OF

AND

HE

DID

A LOT.

OF THING

S TO

PREVENT IT.

IN THE SEVENTIES

WE HAVE BEGUN THE

PROCESS OF NEGOTIATION WITH A COMM

UNIST WORLD WHICH IS,

ITSELF,.

DIVIDED

IN THE

FERENT

STRATEGIC

SITUATION

SINO-SOVIET

SPLIT.

YOU HAVE A TOTALLY DIF

WE ARE

FACING TODAY

THAN

THE ONE WE

FACED

IN THE FIFTIES.

.M

R.

SPIVAK:

THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN DEEPLY

CONCERNED BY

THE STORIES

OF CIA

LOTTING TO ASSASSINATE FOREIGN

LEADERS.

IT

WOULD BE

INVOLVEMENT

P

DON'T

YOU

THINK

BETTER

TO

IN

RELEASE

THE

FULL AND

TRUE STORY LEST

RUMORS AND SPECULATIONS

MAKE

IT

SEEM A

15?

MR.

COLBY: NO;

MR.

SPIVAK:

THE

INSTRUCTIONS IN

THE

LOT.

WORSE

THAN

IT

AGENCY

ARE

QUITE

CLEAR,

THAT

TH

AGENCY WILL

NOT

EnGAGE

SUPPORT

E.

IN.

STIMULATE OR

CONDONE ASSASSINATION AT

THOSE INSTRUCTIONS

HAVE BEEN ISSUED BY

THE

THIS

TIM

AGENCY. FOR

SEVERAL

YEARS

NOW.

MR.

SPIVAK

WE

ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PAST THOUGH.

MR.

COLBY:

I DO

NOT THINK

NTRY

IT

TO GO INTO A GREAT EXPOSURE OF

THINGS THAT HAPPENED

IN

THE

USEFULATO

OUR

coU

FIFTIES

AND SIXTIES,

ND

I THINK

THAT

THAT SUBJECT HAD

BEST

BE

SETTLED BY

ADOPTING A FIRM

THIS

A

POLICY AT:

POI

NT NOT

TO USE SUCH ACTIVITY AND LETTING

U TO. ONE THING

THAT

IS HAPPENING NOW?

THE PAST STAY QUIET.

ARE BEING

MR.

SPIVAK: MAY I

TAKE

THAT

THE CIA

IS

40

RUMORS

SPREAD

SOMEHOW

INVOLYED

IN ATTEMPTS TO GET

RID

OF PRIME

MINISTER

INDIRA

GANDHI.

CAN YOU

COLBY:

DENY

THAT.

CATEGORICALLY

STATE THATMR.

COLBY:

"I CATEGORICALLY

ANY WAY? MR.

I CATEGORICALLY

DENY

THAT.

MR.

MR.

SPIVAK:

ROWAN:

--IS

CIA NOT INVOLVED

IN

THE ROCKEFELLER

RÉPORT

SAID

THAT

ONE

OF THE CIA'S: COMPUTER

SYSTEMS

HAD

INFORMATION

ON 300,000

AMERICANS

IN

IT.

YOU :

HAVE

TESTIFIED THAT

THE CIA MAINTAINS 40 TO 50 SUCH.RECORD

SYSTEMS. MI

AM WONDERING.

C

AN YOU TELL US HOW MANY. AMERICANS AR

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LZ PART 2, CBS REPORTS INQUIRY ON ASSASSINATIONS, WTOP: TY CBS NETWORK, WASHINGTON:

SR3

L3 DAN RATHER:

SOME CRITICS OF THE WARREN REPORT

BELIEVE OSWALD WAS TRAINED AS A SPY li

HILE

SENT

IN

THE

MARINE CORPS

AND WAS

TAUGHT

THE

RUSSIAN LANGUAGE

TO RUSSIA.

WILLIAM COLBY,

DIRECTOR

THE

PRESENT

DIRECTOR

OF

IN ANTICIPATION

OF BEING

THE

CIA.

SAYS THAT IS NOT TRUE.

COLBY, DID

SEND.

HIM

THE CIA RECRUIT

LEE HARVEY

OSWALD WHEN HE WAS IN THE MARINES AND

TO RUSSIA? COLBY: NO

WE HAD NO

CONTACT WITH MR

EFORE HE WENT TO THE

OSWALD

RATHER: NO CONTACT

SOVIET UNION?

COLBY: NO.CONTACT WITH HIM

BEFORE HE WENT TO THE

B

VIET

50

UNION,"

NO CONTACT WITH HIM AFTER HE RETURNED FROM THE

SOVIET UNION: NO CONTACT WI

TH HIM WHILE HE WAS IN THE SOVIET UNION.

ANYONE

WITH THE CIA DEBRIEF

• WHEN HE RETURNED TO

THIS COUNTRY? COLBY: NO,

"NO: THE CIA DID NOT DEERTER HIM. BE THINK TH

ERE ARE SOME UNCLASSIFIED.

: OR

DECLASSIFIED,

REPORTS

• NOT DEBRIEF HIM:

RATHER: I SAY TO

YOU,

OF FBI DEBRIEFINGS, BUT THE CIA DI

AS I HAVE BEFORE,

THAT

THAT'S DIFFICULT FOR

ANY PEOPLE, AND

IN ALL CANDOR,

DIFFICULT FOR ME TO BELIEVE:

ARINES GETS OUT OF

THE MARINES, GOES TO THE SOVIET UNION,

THAT

M

A YOUNG MAN IN THE M

MARRIES'A RUSSIAN WOMAN,

ES BACK TO THIS COUNTRY,

SOCIETY:

MOV

THAT

THE CIA DID NOT. UNDER SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, DEBRIEF HIM. COLI

DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE

COLBY: RIGHT.

WELL,

NK -

I: UNDERSTAND

THI

YOUR DOUBT ON

MR.

THIS QUESTION:

BE

THINK YOU HAVE

TO

LOOK AT THE

CIRCUM

STANCES.

OSWALD: WAS WHAT CAN

CALLED A DEFECTOR TO THE

SOVIET

UNION.

A

REPORT

OSWALDi

THE

IT…

WE

ALSO

WE DID HAVE

ON MR.

WHICH

FBI GAVE TO US,

ABOUT

RECEIVED

NFT

ERIAL

FROM THE EMBASSY

IN

MOSCOW

ABOUT MR.

OSWALD,

HE

TRIED

TO

DISCLAIM

ENSHIP

WE

WHEN

HAD A LITTLE FILE,

THEREFORE,

ON MR.

OSWALD;

WHICH

ORTS

FROM THE

CONSISTED

OF

THE

FBI,

THE TWO REPORTS

FROM

THE EMBASSY

IN

MOSCOW.

AND

ONE REPORT

FROM

DEPARMENT

OF NAYY.

THE

MARINES,

THINK IT WAS

INDICATING

SOME

EXCHANGE

THE

BETWEEN

THEM.

THAT'S ALL

WE HAD

UNTIL

ROUGHLY

ICO

OCTOBER OF 1963

RATHER:

DURING

HIS

VISIT

TO

MEX

IN SEPTEMBER 1963,

YOU HAD

NO,

NO

OSWALD UNDER SURVEILL

RUSSIAN

CUBAN

EMBASSIES? COLBY::

OF

NO,

ANCE

AT

BOTH

THE

AND

WE DID NOT

HAVE

HIM

UNDER

SURVEILLANCE

WE

BECAME

AWARE

CONTACT HE MADE

WITH

EACH

. OF

THOSE EMBASSIES

RATHER.

YOU

MAKE

VOICE

NGS

OF

HIM? COLBY: I

THINK THERE WERE,

YES.

DID

RECORDI

RATHER:

WHY

WAS

THE

WARREN

COMMI

N A

PHOTOGRAPH

OF ANOTHER

MAN

AT THE

CUBAN EMBASSY,

WRONGLY

DENTIFIED

AS

LEE

ON

GIVE

HARVEY

0

SWALD?

COLBY:

WELL:

IT.

•WASN'T. WRONGLY

IDENTIFIED

.AS

LEE

HARVE

OSWALD:

IN

WE

KNEW

WAS

THAT

HE

THESE EMBASSIES AT. A CERTAIN DAY.

AND WE LOOKED

AT

THE

CAPABILITY

WE HAD

OTOGRAPH

TO

CERTAIN THINGS IN THE CITY.

AND

WE

LOOKED

AT

NG

THAT

WE

COULD

FIND,.

THROUGH

PHOTOGRAPHS::

PH

HOPI

A PHOTOGRAPH OF

AS

THE

HE

IN

THESE EMBASSIES.

PERHAPS.

CAME

WE DID

FOCUS ON ONE

WHICH WE

BE

OR.

WENT

OUT:

AND

THIS 195

WN

Up

TO

BUT

ORAS FLOOR

LABELED

-AN UNIDENTIFIED

MIGHT

HIM,

WHITE

MA

THAT

WAS

THE

WAS

UP IN CASE

IT

IDENTIFICATION

COULD

HELPFUL

THAT

TIME.

BUT

WAS

NOT

GRA

H

WRONGLY LABELED:

IT TURNED

BE

OUT NOT

AT

THERE

TO BE

MR.

OSWALD,

CLEARLY..

AND HE:

16

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EE

OR EXTREMIST GROUPS. EITHER DOMESTIC OR FOREIGN. WHO MIGHT FEEL CALLED UPON TO TAKE

SOME

SUCH ACTION

HE

SENATE

AGAINST THESE PEOPLE.

I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE

THE

TESTIMONY GIVEN

IN

COMMITTEE WAS GIVEN WITH MY FULL ENDORSEMENT

AND

SUPPORT.

WE WAIVED

THE

S

CR

ECY AGREEMENTS THAT APPLIED

TO OUR EMPLOYEES.

FOR

EXAMPLE;

F DOCUMENTATION TO THE SENATE COMMITTEE

SO

THAT THEY WOULD

TESTIFY,

BE

PROVIDED LARGE:

AMOUNT:

FLILLY:

INFORMED

ON

HF

m

EVENTS

THE PEOPLE

WHO DID

I BELIEVE

IN GOOD

FAITH.

ANTICIPATED

THAT THEIR

EX

ECUTIVE SESSION TESTIMONY WOULD NOT BE

FOLLOWED BY

THEIR

EXPOSURE

FOR THEIR

I AM

THERE

INDIVIDUAL

ACTIVITIES.

CONCERNED THAT

BE SOME

BECAUSE

THERE

FEELING.

THAT

BE

AN

REVEAL

THESE ACTIVITIES

IS

SOME

IS

THE

DISAPPROVAL

THERE

OF

• THEM.

THIS

OBLIGATION

F

DISAPPROVAL,

COURSE,

SHARED BY: MANY OF US.

PRESIDENT. HAS

EXPRESSED

HIS

CLEAR

T RNY

SUCH ACTIVITY.

I HAVE ISSUED DIRECTIVES

IN THIS AGENCY.

TWO

YEARS

POLICY

AGRINS

AGO WHICH

LY PROHIBIT ANY

INVOLVEMENT IN ASSASSINATION ACTIVITY;

THERE'S

REALLY

NO

CL

E

AR

QUESTION

BOUT WHETHER

THIS IS

GOOD OR BAD.

BAD.

THE

REAL

QUESTION

15

WHETHER

WE

WILL

IMPI

SE AN

EXTRA LEGAL RETALIATION ON PEOPLE

WHO AT ONE

TIME

DID

WHAT

THE

GENERAL

CONSENSUS

OF THE

ME.

PEOPLE

AND THE COMMAND

BELIEVE THAT.

IF THERE

STRUCTURE AROUND

THEM

IS

DIAPPROVAL

OF

THESE

THOUGHT

WAS

APPROPRIATE

ACTIVITIES:

THERE

AT

ARE

VEHICLES.

fo 3

WHICH WE CAN TAKE

STEPS TO ENSURE

THAT

THEY

DO NOT

RECUR

THERE ARE

ALSO

VEHICLES

HICH

ANY PARTICULAR PUNISHMENT:

COULD

BE METED

OUT

ACCORDING

TO

THE

AT

LAW,

BUT

TH

THE EXTRA LEGAL,

•EX POST

FACTO

EXPOSURE OF OUR

PEOPLE

TO

ALIATION

IS NOT WITHIN

THE TRADITION

OF

OUR COUNTRY

AND,

HOSTILE

AND IRRATION

CERTAINLY,

IS

TOO

MUCH

X07=

ECT OF PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTARILY ACCEPTED

THE LIMITATIONS

OF

LIVES

CE TO THEIR COUNTRY IN

-THE

INTELLIGENCE

BUSINESS.

THINK ONE

OF

ANONYMITY

PARTICULAR

AND

THING

NCERNS ME IS THE COMMITTEE

RULE

ON THIS SUBJECT WHICH SAYS

THAT

ANY

THAT

CO

INDIVIDUAL WHO

BEL

IEVES HIMSEL

ES

SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

QUESTION:

IRRESPONSIBLE? MR.

SPONSIBLE

THINK

IT. IS

WRONG

TO EXPOSE

THESE NAMES,

COLBY 1

NO,

I WOULDN'T CALL

DON'T

IT

IRRE

BUT

THINK

I'D LIKE

DIFFERENT KINDS

TO

PU

OF ADJECTIVES

ON IT.

QUESTION: MR.

MAKING

THIS

COLBY:

COLBY.

DOES

WHITE

HOUSE

KNOW

THAT

YOU ARE

TACHED

TO

THESE NAMES?

ING

IT

WHAT ARE WE

APPEAL? MR ALKING

THE

YES

QUESTION:

WHAT

SORT

ACTIONS

ARE

AT

ABOUT--MURDER,

OR.

MR.

COLBY:

NOT

GO

TO .TALK ABOUT

MYSELF

HAVEN'T

READ

THE

I"M

REPORT

ITSELF

WAS

TOLD

BY MY

OFFICE

R

THAT

THEY WERE

INCLUDED

IN THERE

IN A

FASHION

WHICH WOULD

PUT

THEM

LINDER

QUESTION:

ARE

THEY

ASSOCIATED

WITH

SERIOUS CRIMES? MR.

SOME

THREAT

COLBY:

TH

THEIR

ACTIVITIES

IN

PAST

YEARS,

WHICH I

THINK

WE.

THEY

ARE

MANY OF

US,

AND

I,

ASSOCIATED

WI

TODAY.

QUESTION:

MR

COLBY,

DID

THE WHITE HOUSE

MYSELF,

REJECTA

SUGGEST

?. MR.

COLBY:

NO,

DID

QUESTION:

MR.

THAT

YOU MAKE

THIS

APPEARANCE

COLBY,

NING

YoU.

IN

THE

PAST WE'VE

HAD

SOME

DIFFICULTY

DRA

MADE

OUT ON

PUBLIC,

THE SUBJECT

YOU,

OF

ASSASSINATIONS.

NOW IT

APPEARS

THAT

THIS

REPORT

• WILL

BE

CAN I ASK

IS

IT

YOUR

POSITION

IN ANY

ACTIVITIES

THAT

INVOLVED

IN,

THE

CIA BECAME

THAT THEY

WERE

ACTING AT

THE DIRECTION

POSITION OR

WILL

YOU

GIVE

A

POSITION? MR.

THE

WHITE

HOUSE?

IS

THAT

YOUR

COLBY:

REALLY AM

THAT.

THE

COMMITTEE

HAS

CONDUCTED

AN

CIA.

EXHAUSTIVE

INVESTIGATION

NOT

TOTALLY

INFORMED

ON

INTO

LOT

05

THINGS DUTSIDE

OF

50

IN

WHICH

THEY"VE

LOOKED

I'M

SURE

THEIR KNOWLEDGE

OF

THE

WHOLF

PICTURE

IS LARGER

THAN

THRT. AVAILABLE

TO

ME.

TO

WHO

AND I BELIEVE

MURKY,

AS

THAT THE

RECORD

IN

CIA

IS.

41.91

EXACTLY

APPROVED

WHAT,

WHEN.

AND

THAT IS

ONE

OF

THE

REASONS

Tript.

USED

TO

GET

HEF

INTO A DETAILED

DISCUSSION ABOUT

IT.

I WOULD REFER

REPORT NHEN

IT

DOES

COME

OUT:: AS

RESULT

COMMITTEE'S

YO-

TO

THE

INTO

HOP: OLLY.

WITHOUT

THE NAMES.

THE

OF

THE

INVESTIGATION

THIS

QUESTION: WHEN YOU

TALKED

WITH THE

OFFICER

BRIEFED YOU, DID HE COMMENT ALONG THE LINES OF THE QUESTION

WHO

READ THE REPORT

R:D

I'M ASKING REGARDING TRE C

UNCL

SION OF THE COMMITTEE? MR

COLBY:

NO, I

DIDN'T ASK HIM

THAT

I WAS ONLY

SECURITY PROBLEMS THAT WERE

INVOLVED.

WHAT

INTERESTED

•IN

THAT'S

WE WERE

INVITED

TO LOOK

AT/

THE

PROBLEM

THAT I FELT

•WAS

ASKED

BY

THE

SENATE

TO

THAT

WAS

MAKE A

JUDGMENT

ABOUT.:

I WAS

NOT ASKED

AND.

•DID

THEIR

CONCLUSIONS;

THEIR

ASSESSMENTS,

OND.

OF

TO REVIEW

THE ACCURACY OR NONACCURACY OF

. OF

THEIR DETAILED REPORTS

QUESTION::

THE

OFFICIAL

IF COULD

PROCEDURE,

BUT

FOLLOW UP.

JUST.

SEC

UNDERSTAND: THAT THAT WAS

MR

CAN

: FOR

:I'

ASK: YOU WERE:

THERE

NO COPIES WITHIN

ING

THIS ORGANIZATION?

NOT

TALKING

COLBY. /NO,

HE READ IT

UP. THERE.

HE DID NOT

BR

ANY HOME.

QUESTION: I'M

ABOUT:

THAT PARTICULAR :COPY.

OF

NO

OTHER COPIES,

AND

I'M

MR.

COLBY

I-KNOW

SURE THAT WE HAVE NO OTHER

COPY...

QUESTION: MR. COLBY,

D YOU CONSIDER SCHEDULING ANOTHER SUCH

SESSION AS

ORT? MR.

COLBY: WELLI

QUESTION:

WOULD

I STILL STAND ON MY DISAPPROVAL OF

'TO ITS PUBLICATION? MR. COLBY:

YOU DISAPPROVE OF ANY

SUBSEQUENT

A DISCUSSION OF&ASSASSINATION

DISCUSSION

OF:

THE REPORT SUBSEQUENT

WELL,

WER

TO

THAT

I'D LIKE

TO

READ

THE

REPORT TO DETERMINE THE

ANS

QUESTION. I REALLY DON'T KNOW QUESTION:

WILL THE

CIA BE

ASKED TO

PROVIDE

PROTECTION FOR

THESE PEOPLE;

IF,

IN FACT,

THEIR NAMES ARE PUBLISHED? MR.

COLBY:

THERE'S

PROTECTION WE

GIVE

ICE

SERVICE

HERETER PROSEC ACHE ION CE NOTES CERTAINLE HER THEN

WELL.

WE DO NOT HRVE

A POL

TO

THE DEGREE WE

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COULD.

QUESTION:

EARLIER, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING REOUT HOSTILE GROUPS,

YOU SAID VARIOUS.

OF

US HAVE RECEIVED THREATENING PHONE CALLS AND MAIL.

HAVE YOU PERSONALLY RECEIVED.

TH

REATS? MR.

COLBY: CERTAINLY

QUESTION: CAN YOU

TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT

: THEM? MR

WELL.

DIFFERENT KINDS OF PHONE CALLS AND CRANK MAIL AND

COLBY:

THAT SORT OF_THING. QUESTION:

HAS

THERE

BEEN ANY

EFFORT TO DO A

N CASES,.

FESTENTO FIND ORT WHAT THE BREEIN DED

FIND OUT THEIR ORIGINS? MR. COLBY: IN CERTAI

YOU NOT SIMPLY TOLD THE SENATE: COMMITTEE THEY CAN•T RELEASE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE

CLASSIFIED

UNTIL.

YOU LET

THEM DO

IT? MR.

COLBY:

BECAUSE

I

BELIEVE THE INFORMATION FROM

THE

ROCKEFELLER COMMISSION

INVESTIGATION WAS

SENT UP

WOULD BE HANDLED

THERE

WITH THE STATEMENT THAT

IT

IN A RESPONSIBLE

MANNER BY THE

SENATE

THERE WAS NOT A, LEGAL POSITIO

N

TAKEN AT

THAT TIME

QUESTION:

SENATOR: CHURCH MADE A POINT OF SAYING THIS MATERIAL WA

S. GIVEN TO

THEM UNDER CLASSIFICATION,

AND

WHAT I DON'

T. UNDERSTAND IS.SWHY.

YOU HAVE NOT

TAKEN THE STERN LEGAL POSITION;

EITHER YOU OR THE WHITE HOUSE,

CIRCUMSTANCE

OVER

THAT:

YOU TOOK IN A

SIM

ILAR

THE CLASSIFICATION--THE

LAST NEWS CONFERENCE YOU:-HAD WAS OVER T

MATTER

OF UNILATERAL

DECLASSIFICATION.

WHY IS THIS

NOT AN ISSUE OF2 MR. COLBY: I

N

THAT. CASE,

IT: WAS: DECLASSIFIED.

AND I:

SAID IT WAS WRONG AT THE TIME,* AND WE LATER WOR

KED OUT

RELATIONSHIP WHICH AVOIDED THAT KIND OF THING HAPPENING AGRIN QUESTION: MR.

COLBY, WHY SHOULD A REPORT. ON

USE

•T.

ASSASSINATION PLOTS NOT BE MADE PUGLIC? MR. COLBY: BECA

THINK IT.

CAN HARM OUR COUNTRY,

AND

I THINK THAT THE

EVIDENCE IS-NOT VERY CLEAR

B

ECAUSE OF

"5

THE

ATMOSPHERE

IN WHICH

THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY MAY HAVE TAKEN: PLACE

IN: THE

50

AND: 60°S. AND

TO

SEE:

THAT NO

BENEFIT TO

OUR COUNTRY

IS TO BE

LOSS:

OUR

COUNTRY.

CIA

HAS HAD A

VERY

GAINED

HARD TIME FOR THE LAST

CONFLE AND CENSORS REE

SULT

OF A STATEMENT OF MY

TESTIMONY BEFORE ONE OF THE: COMMITTEES

A STATEMENT OF

TESTI

MONY

WHICH

WAS

INACCURATELY STATED

ECOME A WORLDWIDE

WORD.

AS

CIA: ENGAGING IN DESTABILIZATIONS

THAT WORD HAS

B

PUT IN MY MOUTH,

ALTHOUGH I NEVER

"SAID

AND IT.

IS

THAT PREC

ISE

EXAMPLE OF

RVICES,

THE KIND OF THING THAT

HOSTILE

COUNTRIES:

GATIONS,

QUOTATIONS

HOSTILE

THINK WE WILL

FACE IN

THE FUTURE AS HOSTILE

SE

POLITICAL

GROUPS,: DELVE

THROUGH: THE

INDIVIDUAL' ALLE

AND: MATERIAL

THAT WILL SHOW IN

A REPORT ON

USE IT AGRINST

OUR COUNTRY FOR THE

NEXT

THIS SUBJECT,

AND WILL

NUMBER OF YEARS.

QUESTION: DO YOU THINK IT ALS

WRONG F

3

R

AMERICANS TO KNOW THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE GOVERNMENT DID ENGAGE IN PLOTTING ASSASSIN

ATIONS? MR.

CITIZENS.

COLBY: NO, I THINK WE

SHOULD

SHARE: RS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN WITH OUR

AND I THINK THAT THE EXPRESSION OF OVERALL

CONCLUSIONS: AND

FIRM RECOMMENDATI

ONS FOR THE FUTURE AS APPROPRIATE FOR A

COMMITTEE.

I'M REALLY

ONLY ARGUING ABOUT THE

ETAILS OF

IT AND, PARTICULARLY, THE

NAMES OF

THE PEOPLE INVOLVED.

QUESTIGN: COULD WE

D

AVE

THE BENEFIT OF YOUR VIEWS

ON

THE REPORT AFTER IT'S PÜBLISHED? MR. COLBY:

H

WELL, THA

T

IS AN ANSWER TO AN EARLIER QUESTION AS TO WHETHER

• HAVE ANOTHER CONFERENCE AFTER IT'S PUBLISHED,

AND I WOULD HAVE TO READ IT BEFORE I C

OULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.:

QUESTION:

COULD WE HAVE

TELEPHONES

IF YOU HAVE

ANOTHER PRES

CONFERENCE?. MR.

COLBY: WE

CERTAINLY WILL TRY TO GET

TOUCH WITH

YOU A LITTLE

DONER THAN. WE DID TODAY:

QUESTION:

BIT

5

LLY AREN'T PREPARED FOR

NO,

A REGULAR

PRESS" CONFE

IN

TELEPHONES

TO FILE ON? MR

COLBY: WE REA

CONFERENCE

SITUATION HERE

HOW MANY NAMES WERE REMOVED AT

THE

CIA!S REQUEST FROM

QUESTION:

MR.

COLBY

THE REPORT?

MR. COLBY: WELL,

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EE

THERE HAS BEEN A NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BRINGING AMERICAN

INTELLIGENCE CLEA

RLY

UNDER AMERICA'S CONSTITUTION

AND LEGAL

SYSTEM.

I THINK

INTELLIGENCE

WAS

THAT

SOMEHOW

IT WAS

OUTSIDE OF LAW,

IT

THE

TRADITIONAL CONCEPT OF

REALLY DIDN'T

HAVE ANYTYING MU

CH TO DO

WITH LAW, AND IT

SOMEHOW WAS

SOMETHING THAT NATIONS DID

WELL.

THAT'S NO GOOD FOR AMERICA.

WE

BUT DIDN'T

TALY:

AJJUT

EXPECT OUR GOVERNMENT TO WORK UNDER THE

D UNDER THE CONSTITUTION,

AND WE'VE BEEN

IN

275

THE PROCESS. OF DEMONSTRATING

THAT:

CLE

ARLY.

TO US IN THE

INTELLIGENCE PROFESSION,

AS

WELL AS TO THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE

SCHORR: DID

YOU

THINK

.THAT

IT COULD

BE HANDLED

AS AN INTERNAL

REFORM PROCESS:

ANY PUBLIC EXPLANATION OR PUBLIC RETRIBUTION? DIRECTOR

UT

COLBY:

WELL.

:]

THINK

FR

ANKLY:

BUT

THEN

AND

WE WENT THROUGH

SIX

MONTHS OF

EXCITEMENT

WITH ALL

SORTS OF

ACCUAATTONS

SENSATIONALISM,

AND I

THINK

THE

NORMAL

CITIZEN

IS

INCLINED TO

THINK THAT

SPEND

MY DAY

IN

THIS

OFFICE

PLOTTING ASSASSINATIONS.

WELL,

THE ACTUAL

FINDING OF

THE

COMMITT

EE WAS

REALLY QUITE REVEALING,

BECAUSE IT

THIS

THE LAST

25

EARS,

DID

INDICATED

THAT

AGENCY,

IN

GO OUT

TO

TRY

• TO BRING ABOUT

THE

END

OF

THE LIFE

OF

THO

INDIVIDUALS,

NEITHER

OF

WHOM DIED

AS A RESULT. OF

THAT EFFORT.

THERE

WERE OTHER

PEOPLE WHO'VE

BEEN KILLED

N THE

PROCESS OF

OPERATIONS. CERTAINLY;

THERE

ARE

OUR

OWN

OFFICERS

WHO HAVE

D.

THERE ARE FOREIGNERS WHO HAVE

BEEN

BEEN

KILLE

KILLED

IN

THE

COURSE

OF

REVOLUTIONS

AND

COUPS,

HINGS

OF

THAT NATURE

BUT

THERE

HAVEN'T

CY.

SCHORR:

BUT

BEEN

ANY

ASSASSINATIONS

CONDUCTED BY

THIS

AGEN

THEY TRIED.

DIRECTOR

COLBY:

THERE

WERE

TWO

SITUATIONS

IN WHICH

CLEARLY

THIS PARTICULAR

REPORT

INDICATES THAT

THERE WERE

STEPS TAKEN HERE TO

ABOUT

BUT THEY DIDN•T HAPPEN.

BRING

THIS

THE WORK

AND,

YOU KNOW,

OVER

25

YEARS,

OF

THE

AGENCY

I THINK

IS

JUST PLAIN WRONG.

TO

AND

SAY

THAT

THAT.

CHARACTERIZES

THINK

THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE A

RE GOING TO SEE

THROUGH THE

SENSATIONAL

TREATMENT TO THE REALITY THAT'S UNDERNERTH IT

WHEN

THEY GET A

SERIOUS ASSESSMENT

PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT

You

OF

WHAT

THE

FACTS ACTUALLY WERE

SCHORR :

ARE

THERE

TO CLEAN UP YOUR

SHOP BECAUSE THEY'RE

AFRAID OF

THE

CHAIN

RE

ACTION WHICH MAY AFFECT THEIR

SUGGESTION

TO

THAT

CAREERS? DIRECTOR

I DON'T

EFFECT,

NO,

COLBY:

OH,

THAT

I'VE NEVER HEARD

OF ANY

NO.

THINK

ANY DIFFERENCES THAT MAY

HAVE

EXISTED IN

HOW

TO HANDLE

THIS WHOLE

INVESTIGATION SITUATION WERE

GOOD-FAITH DIFFERENCE

S AS

TO HOW TO

SERVE

THE

ENABLE

A VERY IMPORTANT INTELLIGENCE FUNCTION AND AGENCY TO CONTINUE TO

COUNTRY IN

3

HE BEST WAY IT CAN

SCHORR: YOU SAID THAT YOU NEVER ORDERED ANY ASSASSINATION AND THAT

YOU

WERE NEVER

PERSONALLY

INVOLVED

IN ANY OF

THOSE

PLANS

FOR ASSASSINATION.

YOU SAYING

THAT

NONE

OF

THE THINGS

THAT HAPPENED

WAS

ENOUGH

TO

YET.

ARE

OUTRAGE

YOU? DIRECTOR C

OLBY:

DON-T THINK SO

THE ONES THAT I KNEW OF

I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. TH

OSE

NO,

TWO CASES

I WAS TELLING YOU

THEM.

ABOUT

AT.

THE TIME.

I INDICATED THAT WHEN I DISCOVERED

AT

THEY WERE LONG

IN THE PAST;

THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD BEEN THE

SUBJECT

OF DIRECTIVES

WE WOULD NOT

THAT

DO THAT ANYMORE;

TIME.

AND

YEAH,

I REALLY DIDN'T THINK ANYTHING PARTICULARLY ABOUT

THEM AT

SCHORR:

BUT

THERE WAS

OPENING: OF

MAIL

AND A

CERTAIN AMOUNT

0

ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE

CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PHYSICAL

SURVEILLANCE AND

DIRECT

OR

COLBY: WELL,

THE

AND

A

OPENING OF

THE MAIL.

THINK.

IS

A VERY GOOD.

EXAMPLE OF THE

WE

FAUBLE

HAVE.

THE OPENING OF

THE MAIL

IS

ILLEGALI

IT SAYS

S0

IN THE LAW.

NO QUESTICN FROU

IT.

AND ONCE WE DISCOVERED

IT,

WE

STOPPED

IT›

IN

1973.

SCHORR:

TWENTY: YEARS LATER.

IRECTOR COLBY:

READING

BUT LET'S LOOK AT WHEN IT STARTED AND WHAT IT WAS DEVOTED TO. IT WAS A

THE MAIL BETWEEN THE UNITED

3

OF DISCLOSURE HAS PROBABLY ABOUT

RUN ITS COURSE,

AND YET THERE IS A RESIDUE OF

ONS.

SOME,

LIKE

CHARLES

CIA..

COLSON,

CONTINUE

SUGGESTING

QUESTI

THAT

THERE

WAS A

SORT

OF A CONSPIR

ACY IN THE

AGAINST

THE

ANY

NIXON WHITE HOUSE,

G

THAT

THE CIA PLAYED SOME

: PART. IN

BRINGIN

DOWN NIXON.

TRUTH? DIRECTOR

COLBY:

ABSOLUTELY NOT

THIS AGENCY HAS*

THINK

THE

IF

*ANYTHING

RECORD

SHOWS VERY

CLEARLY

THAT,

IF ANYTHING,

IT'S

TOO

LOYAL.

AND: TOO

RES

PONSIVE

TO PAST

PRESIDENTS,

THAT

PRECISELY RESPONSIVENESS

TO PRESIDENTS THAT IN

SOME CASES TODAY IS

IT

IS

NOW CRITICIZED;

WHERE WE HAVE

TO. MR

HUNT..WAS AN

EXAMPLE: OF

RESPONDING •

REACTED.

THINK GIVING

THE RED NIG

TO WHAT

•SEEMED TO BE A

WHITE HOUSE, PRESIDENT

ILLY-SPONSORED,

REQUEST

AND. WE

AS

SOON

AS

WE

SAW

SHOULDN-T HAVE DONE

IT, AND LATER WE WITHDREW FROM IT

THE DEPTH

TO BE

THERE'S NO

CONNECTION IN

THIS

TO WHICH IT SEEMED

AGENCY

GOING.

BUT

ABSOLUTELY NOT,

NO.

WITH ANY CONSPIRACY AGAINST MR.

NIXON. WE ASSOLUT

ELY HAD NOTHING.

TO DO WITH

THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY. I THINK THAT.

IN A

WAY,.

THE CIA HAS

BEEN, INDEED.: THE

THINK.

STATISTICALLY,:

YOU

CAN FIND

SHAPE THE ABUSES BATHINGS

THAT

HAVE HAPPENCO821

THAT

I

ABUSES

THE CIA: FREQUENTLY LEAD THE

LINE.

AND

THEN LATER WE

FIND

THAT

THERE ARE CONSIDERABLY MORE-OR

THAT THIS

tEAD

WAS REALLY

SMALL

PORTION.

SCHORR:

IF YOU HAD

•TO

PROJECT,

WHAT WOULD YOU SEE THIS AGENCY,

OR UND

ER

WHATEVER NAME IT IS,

FROM

WILL

NOW.

THINK

BE

TSAT LOOKTNE THING

SAY, 10 YEARS FROM NOW? DIRECTOR COLBY:

TEN YEAR

THE

• THING I

THINK WE WILL

SEE, THE MOST

EXCITING CHANGES,

THE INCREASE

IN: INFORMATION

AND

THE

INCREASE IN

OUR ABILITY TO

ETLETIES

THAT

EXIST.

IN

THE

PERCEIVE

THE

SU

WORLD

BETWEEN DIFFERENT SOCIETIES, BETWEEN DIFFERENT CULTUR

ES,

BETWEEN DIFFERENT

KINDS OF PEOPLES.

IN A.WAY.. YOU

KNOW. THE OLD IDEA

USED

TO BE

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FEBRUARY 2. 1976 CHICAGO TRIBUNE BOB WIEDRICH INTERVIEWS WILLIAM E. COLBY

EE

3

F STRATEGIC SERVICES,

SAID HE HAD HOPED CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRIES WOULD PRESENT A BALANC

ED

PORTRAIT

OF

CIA OPERATIONS

QUOTE I HOPED

THEY WOULD

DEMONSTRATE

OUR MISTAKES

OF

TH

E

PAST

28 YEARS.

BUT

ALSO BRING OUT THAT WE HAD

TAKEN

CORRECTIVE

IES OF DIRECTIVES

IN 1973, UNQUOTE COLBY. TOLD US.

INCIDENTALLY,

ACTIONS THROUGH A SER

THAT WAS THE YEAR COLB

BECAME

THE CIA DIRECTOR

QUOTE I ALSO HOPED THE INVESTIGATIONS

HOULD DESCRIBE WHAT

I

NTELLIGENCE WORK IS

ALL

ABOUT,

UNQUOTE, HE CONTINUED QUOTE UNFORTUNATELY

THE SENSATIO

NAL

QUALITIES OF

OUR WORK

IS WHAT

SOME OF THE PRESS AND CONGRESS

PICKED UP

ON

FOR

UNQUOTE

EXAMPLE,

COLBY CITED NEWS

PHOTOS

OF

SEN.

FRANK CHURCH.

THE

DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIA

L

ASPIRANT

FROM

IDAHO WHO SERVED

AS

DART

SENTATE INTELLIGENCE

COMMITTEE

CHAIRMAN.

GUN DESIGNED BY CIA WEAPONS TECHNICIANS.

QUOTE

THE

GUN WAS

HOLDING

NEVER USED. UNQUOTE

C

OLBY DECLARED.

QUOTE YET,

THAT WAS

THE END RESULT OF A SIX-MONTH INVESTIGATION

THE

SA

ME APPLIED

TO ALL

THE TALES OF

ASSASSINATION

PLOTS.

THERE WERE

ACTUALLY ONLY

TWO TARGE

TS AND NOBODY DIED.

TAKE

THE

STORIES

OF

ALLEGEDLY MASSIVE DOMESTIC

BY THE

CIA.

THE

AT MOST

TE ROCKEFELLER

INTELLIGENCE

FOUR-MONTH INVESTIGATION.

• AND

THE

COMMISSION

CONDUCTED A

THINGS WE DID

WERE PERFECTLY

IT

FOUND TH

PROPER.

THE PRESIDENT

SOME

OF

THE

THINGS WE

DID BECAUSE

E

DID

WE

TOLD US

TO.

THERE WAS

A QUESTIONABLE: GRAY AREA.

AND

SOME OF

THE

THINGS W

SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE.

WE

SHOULDN'T HAVE OPENED

MAIL

BUT REMEMBER,

THAT

PROGR

AM WAS STARTED

IN. 1953

IN THE MIDST OF

THE COLD WAR,

WHEN RUSSIA

WAS

CLEARLY: DEFINED

THREAT

AND WE MONITORED MAIL TO AND FROM THE SOVIET UNION.

THOSE

HAVE BEEN SEN

SATIONALIZED AND

THEY HAVE

THINGS.

OBSCURED

THE REAL NATURE OF

RMERICAN

INTELLIGENCE

IS

E BEST

IT

TH

IN THE

WORLD.

IT OPERATES

UNDER THE LAW AND

THE CONSTITUTION

HAS

REVOLUTION

IZED THE PROFESSION OF INTELLIGENCE BY UTILIZING OPENLY

IT

AND CLANDESTINELY ACQUIRED INF

ORMATION.

ESTIMATE

OUR

SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY. HAS CHANGED THE WHOLE FRAME OF REFERENCE. WE USED

TO

THE

NUMBER

BY

TECHNICAL

AL MEANS LENTESE RUSS THE SKY EGATELETTESS, PHOTOGROPHY!

TODAY,.WE COUNT THEM AND MEASURE THEM

AND

ELECTRONICS.

WE HAVE DEVISED

NEW. WAYS: TO

50

THAT IS

THE REALITY.

NOT

THE

INFORMATION;

TO MAKE IT

AND

MORE METHODICAL •AND P

RECISE.

DART

GUN.

NOT THE ASSASSINATION

PLOTS

THE CIA

DOES

HAVE A JOB

LITTLE

EVEN PARAMILITARY OPERATIONS

ABROAD. WE DO VERY

OF THIS

85

AND

19605,

IN

THE 195

THE FIGURE WAS MUCH HIGHER

IN THE EARLY 1950S,

SUCH OPERATIONS ACCOUNTE

FOR OVER 50 PERCENT. OF THE

BUDGeT,

REFLECTION OF

THE

TIMES

AND THE

THREAT

S WE FACED

BUT DON'T GET

THE

WRONG

0

SOME

GROUP IN SOME COUNTRY

THAT WANTS

TO ACT

IN OSE BEST ENTERESTS US AGUENST FLE

INTERESTS

OVIET UNION.

NOW,

OUR

WE ARE FACED WITH THE

SOVIETS PUSHING

AGAIN.:

INFORMATION.

WE HAVE PROBLEMS

NOT

HAVE.

PROBLEM IS

TO GET

THE

SOVIET

PROBLEM: IS

TO UNDERSTAND

INF

ORMATION:

WE HAVE

TO

GET WHAT IS KEPT

SECRET

FROM US.

THEY GET

SO MUCH INFORMATION THE

MUST

SEPARATE

•THE WHEAT FROM THE

CHAFF.

A PERSON

TS FOOLISH

TO SPY

ON AMERICA

YOU •C

AN

READ

MOST

OF IT

THE NEWSPAPERS

I

WISH I COULD READ AS FREELY IN THE PAPERS ABOU

T

THE

.IN

MILITARY POSTURE STATEMENT AND APPROPRI

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FEBRUARY 6, 1976 PANORAMA INTERVIEN WITH WILLIAM COLBY

EE

SOME PEOPLE, SOME OF THE CRITICS, FOR

INSTANCE, OF THE CURRENT INVESTIGATIONS WOULD SA

4, QUOTE

WE HAVE TOLD TOO MUCH.

WILLIAM

COLBY HAS TOLD TOO MUCH.

HAVE LOST THE EDGE

UNQUOTE COLBY: WELL. I THINK THE

ANSWER TO THAT IS

THAT THE CRITICS SAY THAT FORMERL

Y WE TOLD TOO LITTLE, WHICH MAY BE PARTLY RIGHT.

AND TODAY'I THINK

THAT: AT THE MOMENT

WE ARE SAYING TOO

CH: WHEN

MUCH.

I'M WAITING

FOR

THE PENDULUM TO GET

BACK INTO THE CENTER.

POVI

YOU WERE SUBJECTED TO THE

INVESTIGATIONS BY THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE. ONE OF

YOUR FIRST STATEMENTS WAS,

SENTED BEFORE

THE

SENATE

IN A 30-PAGE DOCUMENT THAT YOU PRE

COMMITTEE.

UOTE WOULD YOU HOLD YOURSELF:

TO

THAT

DESCRIPTION,

OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHANGE

COLBY: ND:

I THINK THAT WAS DEAD RIGHT

AND

THREE

OF

I THINK THAT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED

BY TWO

F

THE

• «to «poo

OR,

THE REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED

SINCE THAT TIME: THE ROCKEF

ELLER COMMISSION

REPORT, THE SENATE

COMMITTEE REPORT ON ASSASSINATIONS*

AND THE SENATE

COMMITTEE

REPORT: ON CHILE. I

SAID THAT

THERE WERE AFEW: MISS

TEPS:

IN OUR 28-YEAR HISTO

RYA.

AND MISDEEDS

3. 4.

THINK I USED ALSO THE PHRASE.

SAYS

THE

ROCKEFELLER COMMISSION REPORT

THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR

THRT

CERTAIN

ACTIVITY WAS PERFECTLY PROFER AND WITHIN OUR CHARTE

. THINGS

WE DID WERE

UNPROPER,

SOME DONE AT THE SPECIFIC DIRECTION OF

TH

E PRESIDENT. SOME DONE BECAUSE THERE WAS A GRAY. AREA AS TO WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AND WHA

SHOULD

NOT BE

DONE. AND

•SOME DONE

BECAUSE OF AN

EXCESS OF ACTIVITYA

AND I THINK. HON

ESTLY,

AT A PERIOD WHEN THERE

WAS SOME CONFUSION AS

TO WHETHER WE WERE DOING:

THE RIGHT.

THING: FOR: THE GOVERNMENT

AT ALL

• Ят

THE

TIME.

THE OPENING OF

BEGAN IN 1953 OPENING MAIL TO AND FROM THE SOVIET UNION.

THE

MAIL. FOR

INSTANCE

AMERICA.

WHICH WAS RUNNING

SPIES

IN

IT WAS IMPROPER, WE

SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT, BUT I

UNINTELLIGIBLE›.

AS

THINK

THE

CONTEXT

OF IT &

FOR THE MASSIVE DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITY, I THINK IF YOU'LL

LOOK THROUGH

THE REPORTS, YOU

3

LL FIND THAT WE ESSENTIALLY HAD THREE AGENTS WHO DID THINGS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE.

WELL

THAT'S

HARDLY

A MASSIVE

INTENSIVE INVESTIGATION.

THE

ACTIVITY.

THE®

ASSASSINATION REPORT: AFTER

SIX MONTHS

OF

SENATE COMMITTEE

DISCOVERED THAT WE

DIDN'T ASSASSINATE

AN

YBODY.

THERE WERE TWO ATTEMPTS

ALS

MADE AGAINST TWO

INDIVIDUALS

то это

THERE WERE

TWO

INDIVIDU

THAT WE TRIED TO KILLi

NEITHER

OF

POVICH:

TWO HEADS

HEADS

OF

STATE

IN BOTH

CASES.®

BUT NEITHER OF WHOM DIED AS A RESULT.

COLBY:

NOT,

OF SORT THAT-S HARDLY

NOW,

A GRAND PROGRAM OF

CT

TO CHILE,

ASSASSINATION,

SUCH AS WE WERE

ALLEGED TO BE

DOING.

AND WITH RESPE

I-THINK IT

SHOWS

SUPPORTING. THE DEMOCRATIC

THAT OUR EFFORTS: THERE:

WITH ONE EXCEPTION,

WERE AIMED

PARTIES AND FORCES IN

POVICH:

A

CHILE

WHEN YOU. TAKE A LOOK

AT

THAT

RECORD; COUPLED WITH THE STATEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN

OF

THE

SENATE

INTElIGFNCE

COMMITTEE.

FRANK CHURCH.

YESTERDAY

AND BY THE

NAT,

HAVE

ON

MANY

OCCASIONS,

THE

TALKED TO

SENATOR

CHURCH

AND HE HAS

GIVEN YOU NOTHING

BUT

ADMIRATION. FOR

YoU.

AND HE HAVE WORKED

TOGETHER

COLBY:

HE'S

BUT HE SAYS

BEEN

UTMOST

THE

WAY

VERY KIND.

POVICH:

IN

THE

LAST

SEVERAL

MONTHS.

(THATS IF

THOSE MISSTEPS AND MISDEEDS.

IF THEY WERE INDEE

D

THAT,

THERE

IS ENOUGH

THERE

FOR CRIMINAL

ACTION,

AND

HE HAS

CALLED FOR A: SPECIAL

PRO

SECUTOR, MAYBE

IS

THAT.

TO

ENLARGING THE WATERGATE SPECIAL

MEr

PROSECUTOR•S

AUTHORITY,

TO LOOK

INTO

TH

1S:

CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

THE

PROSPECT

OF

CRIMINAL

ACTIVITY,:

THE

POSSIBIL

ITY OF IT, AND HE WANTS IT

INVESTIGATED.:

TO ME.

THAT'S

MORE

THAN

MISSTEP AND MI

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ND FALL OF THE CIA

+ lu

HAS? THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS GONE BYOND THE FINDINGS OF THE ROCKEFELLE

COMMISSION

AND HAS FOUND MANY MORE EXAMPLES OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES BY THE CIA:

ND,

FOR

EXAMPLE.

IT

FOU

THAT THE CIA,"

IN AT

LEAST. TNO INSTANCES,

REALLY:

SET OUT TO KILL FOREI

GN LEADERS: FIDEL CASTRO AND PATRICE LUMUMBA: OF

ORT

WHICH,

BY

THE CONGO: 50,

AREN-T YOU CITING A REP

AND LARGE.

IS MORE FAVORABLE TO YOU THAN THE

LATER FINDINGS?

DIRECTOR CO

THAT WAS WRITTEN TO COVER CIA'S

DOMESTIC ACTIVITIE

WHICH WAS

OF ITS INQUIRY. AND WHICH WA

THE SUBJECT OF SENSATIONAL CHARGES ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WHICH GAVE THE IMPRESSION

CIA WAS

F

ENGAGED IN MASSIVE ILLEGAL DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE ACTIYITY

THINK

THE

THAT

FACTS 0

THE ROCKEFELLER COMMISSION

REPORT WERE

THAT IT WASN'T MASSIVE AND IT WASN'T

ILLEGAL.

THAT

SOME OF

THE THINGS

WERE WRONG,

SOME FEW OF THEM,

BUT

IT

CERTAINLY COULN'T BE

CHA

RACTERIZED IN THAT FASHION THERE,

DUKE:

WASN'T.

COLBY:

THE

SUBJECT OF

ASSASSINATION,

OF COU

WAS CONSIDERED A BIT

BUT THEN WAS PASSED TO THE

SENATE COMMITTEE

FOR ITS F

URTHER

INVESTIGATION.

AND: IN

THE SENATE'S FULL

PER CENT WITH THEM ON THIS

I THINK IF YOU'LL

INVESTIGATION

as one

AND WE

COOPERATED

100

THEY

FOUND AFTER

READ

THAT REPORT

SIX MONTHS OF VERY INTENSIVE

AL50,

YOU WILL

FIND

INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT CIA

THA

DID.

THAT

THEY FIND

FIVE CASES,

WHICH THEY MENTIONED

TWO CASES IN WHICH

CIA.

-THEY SAY,

DID

MAKE

SOME

STEPS TOWARD

THE KILLING

OF THESE INDIVIDUALS,

NEITHER OF WHOM DIED AS # RE

SULT OF

THOSE

STEPS.

THERE WERE SOME OTHER STEPS

--

THERE WERE

SOME OTHER PEOPLF

HO W

ERE KILLED

ELSEWHERE AS A PART OF

ACTIVITY THAT

OTHER

IN

OTHER COUNTRICS

iRT.

OOK, AND WAS NOT A RESULT OF CIA'S PLOTTING AGAINST

PEOPLE

THEM.

AND THAT'S

THE SUM TOTH! OF

THE SIX-MONTH'S INVESTIGATION.

THIS DOES

NOT GIVE YOU

H HAS

SPENT THE LAST 25

YEARS ASSASSINATING PEOPLE..

THE IMPRESSION OF AN

DUKE: MR.

AGENCY WHIC

COLBY, YOU SAID ON CRS N

OT LONG AGO - AND I'D LIKE TO QUOTE Y

4

UR PRECISE WORDS

- -THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE DONE WRONG.

BUT THEY WERE

DONE EITHER

BECAUSE THEY WERE BELIEVED

TO BE

RIGHT

OR WITHIN. THE

THE LAW:

THERE I5

A JUS

TIFICATION FOR WHAT

YOU BELIEVE.

COLOR

OF

THAT MURDER WAS JUSTIFIED? DIRECTOR COLB

T:

I BELIEVE

AND

THAT

THEY

DID.

- DO

ASSASSINATION IS NOT JUSTIFIED,

I'VE TURNED DOWN

SUGGESTIONS

AND I'VE ISSUED DIRECTIVES AGAINST

FROM HIGH

OFFICIALS IN

THE PAST

THAT THAT BE

QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

CERTAINLY

IT

SHOULD NOT BE

DONE,

DONE

OF

COURSE,

EXCEPT IN TIME OF WAR

THER DAY THAT

WHICH

WAR.IS A FORM OF KILLING

PEOPLE.

DUKE:

SENATOR CHURCH SAID

THE

THE

CIA HAS HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE SITTING

AROUND, DREAMING UP

0

SUBVERSIVE AC

TIVITIES.

AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE

TO QUOTE WHAT HE

WOULD

EXPECT TO

FIND,

SAID:

-THESE ARE

THE TYPES

YOU ACTUALLY

THE DARE-DOER TYPES, THE ADVENTURESOME TYPES, THE PEOPLE WHO FI

ND

THEIR EXPRESSION

IN EXCITING ACTIVITIES.

ROUND,

THINKING OF

SCHEMES

AND WHAT ARE

THEY DOING? THEY'RE SITTING A

FO EW

INTERVENTIONS ALL OVER THE

WORLD.- IS

THAT AN ACCURAT

E DESCRIPTION. OF

THAT

CIA

PEOPLE? DIRECTOR

COLBY: I DON'T THINK

SO.

I

SUPPOSE YOU COLO SAY

I'VE HAD AN

ADVENTUROUS

LIFE

IN

VARIOUS

THINGS,

BUT I

DON-T SIT AROUND SCHEMING

FOR MORE ADVENTURES. I HAVE PLENTY OF ADVENTURES HERE IN WASHINGTON ANSWERING C

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INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM E. COLBY, 19 JANUARY 1976

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TRACTED..

IT WASNOT UNTIL 1967 THAT WE REALLY BEGAN TO WORK SERIOUSLY ON THE PEOPLE 5M P

AR.

UNTIL

THEN,: NOBODY HAD:

A GOT INTO VIET NAM AND

DONE

ANYTHING ABOUT WINNING

THE WAR IN THE VILLAGES.

AMERIC

THEN DECIDED

THAT THERE ARE

SOME THINGS WE CANST DO

WELLI

I

HINK WE DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT.

BUT

I THINK WE COULD HAVE

DONE IT. Q THE WAR ENDED

IN : DEF:

EAT FOR

THE U.S.

IN YOUR OPINION,

WAS

SUCCEEDSO IN Y

IET NAM? A.

1975

THE

THERE ANY SENSE IN WHICH THEYUES

MILITARY EQUATION DIDN'T WORK.

BUT

HE WON THE PEOPLES WAR.

BY 1972 AN

THERE WEREN'T

ANY: TRUE

GUERRILLAS INVIETNAM

THE PEOPLE WERE ALLION

NMENT'S SIDE.

THE COMMUNIST VICTORY

IN VIET NAM WAS NO MORE

THE

GOVER

A RESULT OFA GUERRILLA

R

THAN WAS

THE NAZI VICTORY

IN

FRANCE OR:

WA

NORWAY.

Q.

BOTH HERE AND ABROAD, MANY PEOPLE

CONSIDER

THE

CIA AN

INTERNATIONAL

MURDER

INCORPORATED

HOW MUCH KILLING HAVE. YOU SEEN

IN

YOUR

CHREER? R.

IT'S

MADDENING' AND

FRUSTRATING

THAT

S0* MANY PEOPLE ASSOCIATE

THE

CI.

"SENATOR

ASSASSINATIONS.A

JUST LOOK AT THE ASSASSINATION REPORT B

CHURCH'S COMMITTEE,

A SIX-MONTH STUDY,

AND: YOU'LL:FIND THAT OVER A:25-YEAR P

ERIOD: WE TRIED

TO GET

RID OF

A;

TWO PEOPLE;

CASTRO

AND THE BELGIAN CONGO^S PATRICE LUMUMB

AND WE DIDN'T ASSASSINATE EITHER

OF

THEM:

THE DART GUN WASN/T USED. AS FOR_THE PHOE

NIX OPERATION IN VIET

NAM,

A CONTROVERSIAL COUNTERTERRORIST OPERATION COLBY RAN.

THE F

IGURE OF

20/000 PEOPLE KILLED

IS OFTEN USED.

WELL THATS MY FIGURE

AND IM. THE ONE

HO

PUT IT OUT.

BUT

•THAT WAS PART OF WAR.

WHAT WORRIES YOU ABOUTHE CURRENT CONTROVE

RSY OVER CIA OPERATIONS

AND FOREIGN. POLICY IN GENERAL? A.:

I'M CONCERNED THAT

THE PRESE

NT PERIOD HAS

STRONG

SIMILARITIES TO

THE 1920/5

AND EARLY 1930*5

JUST AS EVENTS' IN

MA'

NCHURIA IN THE EARLY: 1930'5

SEEMED VERY FAR AWAY

THEN;

THERE

ARE

SOME THAT SEEM

AY NOW.

THERE'S A

FAR

AW

REVULSION AGAINST

INVOLVEMENT OVERSEAS BECAUSE

THE MISTAKES OF

R

LATEST WAR.

THIS KIND OF TURNING

IS DANGEROUS,

0F:

OU

I THINK.

I'M NOT

SAYING: THINGS A

RE GOING TO FALL APART.

AWAY

I'M. FUNDAMENTALLY O

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MEET THE PRESS, GEORGE BUSH FEBRUARY 22,1976

EE

TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL

IN THE FUTURE

BUT TO THE

DEGREE SOME

SAY: SHOULD

WE HAVE

CO

VERT AT

ALL.

OR

NOT? 1

SAY.

YES,

THIS

COUNTRY MUST

RETAIN A

RT

AND

STRONG

COVE

CAPABILITY

FLEXIBLE

-EWIS: MR

BUSH.

A FEW MOMENTS AGO YOU

SAID

THAT

HAVE-TO

RELY

FOR

NTROLLING ABUSES

NOT ON. LAW

IN EFFECT,

BUT ON BETTER

OVERSIGHT

SOMETHING

CALLED

THE EXECUTIV

OR CONGRESS.

NOW.

THE PRESIDENT HAS PROPOSED

OVERSIGHT

ĐOA

THREE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMEN.

WITHOUT BEING UNKIND,:

WANT

TO

SAY

THAT

THEY'RE

ELDERLY,

THAT

• THEY"RE PART-TIME.

AND I JUST WONDER

WHETHER

UCH CIVILIANS.

CAN KEEP

ABREAST OF ALL

YOu

SERIOUSLY

THIS:

THE THINGS

TOLD

Us

A LITTLE EARLIER,

THAT

MAY

GO

WRONG

UR

THAT

BUSH:

WELL.

BACK'

N'T

DID

GO WRONG?

LET

ME. GO

AND

SAT

I HOPE I DIDN'T. COME

DOWN SAYING I DON'T

THINK

YOU

NEED

ANY. LAW.

:HOP

E

THA

EXECUTIVE ORDER AND THEN THE REQUESTS FOR LEGISLATION

THAT HAVE GONE

FORWARD

FEE ERE BUT CERTAINE VEL NGEDA SASION THEN

I HOPE

THAT WILL

BE

PASSED:

SO

ACCEPT,

EPT, IN

EXECUTIVE

BRANCH.

SOME

THIS DAY OF DISCRIMINATION.

THIS AGE DISCRIMINATION,

MACHIN

CRUSE

MURPHY

A

F

RY

IS A

VERY: ABLE PERSON,

AND

DON'T

THINK YOU

INTENDED THAT.

HAT THIS MACHINERY, WHERE THE

INSPECTORS GENERAL AND

THE

BU

LD

GENERAL

COUNSEL

IND

LS ARE ENCOURAGED,.

WITHOUT GOING TO

THE DIRECTOR,

SAY

SOMEONE

'IN

THE

CI!

INS

GENERAL - TO

GO DIRECT TO THE OVERSIGHT:

BOARD,

IS

A

GOOD KIND

OF

MACHINE

VAILABLE.

AND YOU COUPLE THAT WITH MORE OVERSIGHT FROM

THE

CONGRESS,

AND

TOWARDS RESPONSIBLITY ON

THE PART. OF PEOPLE

LIKE OURSELVES,

ON LAW

YOU MENTIONED THE ONE

THE

CIA.

LEWI

EXAMPLE WHERE.

THE

PRESIDENT

HAS PROPOSED

AW

70 17 m

A

MOVING

BUSH.

LIMIT

COVERT ACTIONS;

THAT'S ON ASSASSINATIONS.

I WONDER

WHETHER

YOU. WOULD FAVOR

ANY

OTHER

IMIT.

FOR EXAMPLE,

ON SEPTEMBER 15,

1970,

PRESIDENT

THE

NIXON

INSTRUCTED ONE

OF

YOUR

PREDE

CESSORS TO

ENCOURAGE

A MILITARY.

COUP

CHILE.

AGAINST

DEMOCRATIC

DO

YOU

IF SOMEONE

SAID THAT TO YOU NOW.

ORDERED

FEEL

YOU

SYSTEM OF ANOTHER

COUNTRY,

TO DO THAT,

WOULD YOU

DO IT? HOW

HBOUT

THAT?.

BUSH:

I WOULDN'T DO

IT.

I'LL

TELL YOU WHY

I WOULDN'T SAY I-T,.I

BECAUSE UNDER THE

PRESIDENT"S OWN

ORDER,

THIS DOUBLE-TRACKING,

THAT THA

BECAME

REFERRED

TO,

IS ELIMINATED BY A MUCH MORE FORMALIZED

ACTION

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THE

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OPERATIONS

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LOS ANGELES TIMES, 22 FEBRUARY 1976, W.E. COLBY, BY GAYLORD SHAW

EE

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1.3

IS THE CIA,. AS

ING

THE

CAUSE: OF

FREEDOM EVERYWHERE? OR

REEDOM POERERHE RENTER IS" WAS-CONTERITES CONTENDEDA REEKLESS

A WELL-CONTROLLED AGENCY DEDICATED. TO ADVANC

ROGUE

TRAMPLING INTO FORBIDDEN FIELDS,

MAKING AMERICA THE BOGEYMAN OF THE

WORLD? WHERE DOES

THE

TRUTH LIE? WILLIAM

E. COLBY STARED

INTO THE WINTER MORNING OUTSIDESHIS LIVING ROO

I HAD SORT DE

LIKE A SPY

IN

FROM

HAD

SORT

OF HOPED, -

HE SAID;

THE

COLD, TALKED WISTFULLY OF WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN

-

THEY HADN'T.

ONE.

_THAT

THESE SKELETONS

MIGHT REMAIN IN THE FAMILY CLOSET

BY ONE,

SLOWLY,

PAINFULLY

- THE

SKELETONS WERE DRAGGED FROM THE

CEN

TRAL INTELLIGENCE

AGENCY'S CLOSET DURING COLBYSS

BURGLARIES.

THREE YEARS AS DIRECTOR.

ASSASSINATIO

N PLOTS

MAIL: OPENINGS..

DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE.

SECRET ARMIES.

PUNDERCOVER

C

ASH FOR FOREIGN POLITICANS:

ENDED

COVERT ATTEMPTS TO OVERTHROW OTHER GOVERNMENTS.

THE

REVELATIONS

COLBY'S QUARTER-CENTURY CAREER WITH THE

CIA.

LAST MONTH

HE HAD LITTLE

TO

DO WITH

: MOST OF

THE

MISDEEDS:

BUT

HE DISPLAYS NO VISIDLE BITTERNESS ABOUT HIS OUSTER

TURNING

FROM THE WINDOW

TO LEAN BACK ON

GOLD-COLORED SOFA. COLBYARGUED

IN QUIET

ES

THAT

THE CIAS SINS WERE PARADED

TON

BEFORE AN AMERICAN PUBLIC- ILL-PREPARED FOR THE DISC

LOSURES BECAUSE

IT

HAD NO FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR INTELLIGENCE,

EXCEPT SPY NOVELS -

• RETIRED

TO A MODEST. ANDUNGUARDED

SUBURBAN HOME,: HE

IS WRITING A BOOK--NOT A SHY NOVE

L,

BUT A

SERIOUS BOOK HE HOPES

WILL

PLACE THE AGENCY'S OPERATIONS IN HISTORICAL FERSPE

CTIVE TOO MUCH

OF THE DEBATE RAGING

AROUND THE AGENCY,

SAID,

CENTERED *ON

-DIDDL

Y LITTLE

THINGS--SUCH AS

-MINUSCULE

NUMBER-

OF BURGLARE SO COMMITS CENTEE UNITEDDY

ATES BY

CIA OPERATIVES.

INSTEAD

THE

DEBATE SHOULD TA

URN THE WHOLE

CONTINENT HOSTILE TO THE UNITED STATESTHERE WAS

A SERIOUS ASSESSMENT THA

THIS WAS

A POSSIBILITY.

THROUGH

THE

OA5,

-50 WE PUT

TOGETHER

A

PROGRAM,

WHICH WAS

A POLITICAL. PROGRA

ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN STATES,

AN ECONOMIC

PROGRAM

THROUGH

THE AL

AND THERE WAS SOME CIA WORK BOTH I

INTELLIGENCE

TO PREVENT

THE RISE

IN TERRORISM AND G

VERRILLA ACTIVITY

- AT

THE

END

OF

THE

IN 1975,

LATIN AMERICAN IS: NO GARDEN.

IT HASN'T BEEN TURNED TOTALLY HOSTILE

TO THE UNITED STATES UNDER CUBAN LEADERSHIP.

BU

_YOU CAN'T SAY

IT WAS

THE CIA

ALONE,

BUT THE CIA,

BER OF COUNTRIES.

LL

HAVE

IT'S

BEEN

WORTHWHILE.

I THINK,

MADE A CONTRIBUTION

IN ANUM

AMILD

SET OF REFORMS

HOW?

-SOMEHOW, - HE OBSERVED;

-THE CONTRADICTION WI

TO BE

WORKED OUTBUT

PREISDENT FORD OFFERED HIS

ANSWER LAST WEEK,

PROPOSIN

LEGISLATIVE

SUCH

AS A NEW OVERSIGHT

COMMITTEE WITHIN

THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

BAN: ON PEACETIME ASSASSINATION OF FOREIGN LEADERS

AND ON DOMESTIC

SNOOPI

NG.

AND

TOUGHER

LANS

AGAINST

LEAKING

OFFICIAL

SECRETS

THE

SENATE

INTELLIGENCE

COMMITT

EE,

CHAIRED

BY

SEN.

FRANK

ALLING FOR MUCH

TIGHTER

BY

THE

CONTROLS

MIRES OF

WILL

MAKE ITS

RECOMMENDATIONS

NEXT MONTH,

PROBABLY

THE

•INTELLIGENCE

ESTABLISHMENT

TIGHTENED

CONTROLS

WERE URGED

HOUSE INTELLIGENCE

COMMITTEE

HEADED

BY

REP

0TIS G.

PIKE,

D.

N. Y.

EFORE IT

DIED

THIS

MONTH IN

BLAZE

OF

CONTROVERSY

OYER

WHO LEAKED

ITS YET-TO-BE-FORMA

LLY RELEASED

FINAL

REPORT.

DEBATE

ON INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS

WILL

MONTHS,

PERHAPS

YEARS

AS

IT

DOES;

STUDY

THE STILL-UNFOLDING

SAGA

THE

CIA OFFERS

TO HOW

THE

AGENCY

BECAME

SUCH AN ENIGMA.

CLUE

HARRY S.

TRUMAN WAS

UNHAPPY AND IN

A HURRY.

HIS 90-YERR-OLD

INGTON

NATIONAL

MOTHER WAS

LINGERING

AIRPORT.

WAITING

NEAR DEATH IN MISSOURI,

BUT HE. WAS

STUCK AT WASH

FOR AIDES

TO

BRING

HIM

JUST

PASSED LEGISLA

TION

HE

WANTED

TO

SIGN BEFORE TAKE-OFF.

MINUTES TICKED BY THAT SULTRY, BDEGREE JULY AF

TERNOON.

FINALLY

ZMAN.

U.S. ARMS AND A CIA-SUPPLIED AIR FORCE BROUGHT COL. CARLOS CASTILLO ARMAS TO POW

ER.

IN

DONESIA--IN 1958,

ANOTHER CIA-SPONSORED AIR FORCE BASED

IN THE PHILIPFINES SUPPORTED R

EBELS

IN

THE

CELEBES

WHO WERE

TRYING

OVERTHROW PRESIDENT SUKARNO

CONGO-- IN. 1960,

HE

CIA

T

PLOTTED

TO ASSASSINATE

PRESIDENT

PATRICE

LUMUMBA,

EVEN

SENDING POISONS

THE C

ONGO.

A FEW MONTHS LATEN,

LUMUMBA

WAS

KILLED BY CONGOLESE RIVALS,

TO

AND THE

SENATE INTEL

LIGENCE

TH.

BUT

COMMITTEE

CONCLUDED

THERE WAS

NO

EVIDENCE

THAT

THE CIA WAS

INVOLVED

IN HIS DEA

THE CIA

REMAINED

ACTIVE

IN

THE

PRESS A REVOLT AGAINST

THE

GOVERNMENT

REGION,

AND

IN 1964,

PROVIDED PLANES TU HELP

SU

AND.

1961,

THE

CIA

OF THE CONGO : NOW KNOWN AS

ZAIRE.

DOMINICAN

RE

PUBLIC--DURING 1960

SUPPORTED

DISSIDENTS WHO ON MAY

31,

1961,

INATED DICTATOR

ASSASS

RAFAEL:

TRUJILLO.

SOME

U.

AGENTS KNEW OF THE MURDER

PLANS,

AND AMERIC

AN

OFFICIALS FURNISHED THE DISSIDENTS WITH THREE PISTOLS;

ALTHOUGH

IT IS

UNKNOWN WHETH

THEY

WERE USED

IN THE

ASSASSINATION.

CUBA--FROM

1960

THROUGH

1965, CIA WAS

INVOLED

SEVERAL

PLOTS: TO ASSASSINATE

PREMIER FIDEL

• CASTRO,

POINT

MAFIA

AT ONE

ENLISTING

THE RID O

LEADERS.

AND: IN 19512 A BRIGADE

OF CUBAN EXILES TRAINED

AND

AN

SUPPORTED

BY

THE

C

LANDED

AT

THE

BAY OF.

PIGS" IN

ILL-FOUNDED

ATTEMPT TO

AND

OVERTHROW CASTRO.

MOST

OF

IN

TH

INVADERS WERE

CAPTURED OR

KILLED,

FOUR

U.S.

PILOTS FLYING FOR

THE

CIA DIED

TH

EPISODE:: THE AGENCY'S BEST-KNOWN DISASTER.

BRAZIL--IN 1962.

THE CIA SPENT A REPORTED

$20

MILLION

TO SUPPORT HUNDREDS

OF GUBERNATORIAL,

CONGRESSIONAL,

STATE AND

• LOCAL

CAND

IDATES

IN

AN ATTEMPT TO DENY

LEFTIST PRESIDENT

JOAO

GOULART CONTROL OF THE

BRAZILIAN

C

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VIETNAM--IN 1963,

THE CIA HAD

SECRET CONTACTS WITH A GROUP OF GENERALS WHO ST

AGED

COUP

IN WHICH PRESIDENT NGO DINH

DIEM WAS KILLED

LATER»:

AS U.S.

INVOLVEMENT. IN

VIETNAM DEEPENED,

SO DID THE CIA'S ROLE.

AMONG THE

ACTIVITIES WAS THE PHOENIX

PROGRAM

• DESIGNED TO NEUTRALIZE THE VIET CONG.

COLBY, WHO HEADED IT, LATER TOLD CONGRESS TH

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L1 DAVID BRUDNOY, INTERVIEW WITH GEORGE BUSH, JULY 19,1976

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NDER FOR ABUSES THAT

HL

THAN

THAT

I THINK IT

Is

15

STERDENE YES TOELISH RAMES MUCO HORA ERICANS SERVING HER ERTARD

PUBLISH NANES

LOYAL AMERICANS

DISGRACEFUL,

THINK IT'S THE WORST WORD

TO

BUT

IT IS

I FEEL

THE

AND

WRY

THOSE

THAT

IT..

I WISH WE HAD

STRONGER LAWS

TO

N°T.

THE

CONGRESS

PROSECUTE THEM,

BUT WE

DO

ISN'T IN

THE MOOD

TO DO THAT AND I

NOY: I

DO TOO.

I

THINK THE WORST

WORD

IS ONE HE CAN'T USE

THINK

IT'S

DISGRACEFUL.

BRUD

USE OVER

OU HAVE FRIENDS HERE

THE AIR,

BUT

I'M SURE

BOTH ON THIS END OF

THE MICROPHONE AND

W YOU HAVE TO GO QUICKLY,

LISTENING

S0 I WANT

TO ASK:YOU,

IF I MIGHT LOSS ONE OR TWO HERE BRIEN

QUE

STIONS.

YOU HAVE

BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO STRY WITH US THIS LONG.

ING THAT

WOULD PROVOKE

FROM YOU

F

-NO

COMMENT- BECAUSE LONG A SECURITY QUESTIOS AND TO

SECURITY

QUESTION

I'M NOT GOING TO

GET

INTO ANY

SPECIFICS:

BUT WE HAVE HEARD 50

MANY

PARANOID

STORIES

BOUT CIA INVOLVEMENT

IN THE ASSASSINATIONS IN VARIOUS

OF

THE LAST

YEARS.

OUR LEADERS

OVER

FEW

WHEN YOU

CAME

INTO

THE

OFFICE

PARTLY AS A

CLEANING UP

OPERATION BECAUSE

ME IN WITH

AN UNSULLIED REPUTATION WHICH

UNFORTUNATELY,

YOUR

FREDECESSOR,

YOU CA

RULT OF

HIS OWN.

DID NOT HAVE.

DID YOU FIND

ANY HINT

THAT

THE

THROUGH NO

F

U. S

THE CIA HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY FORM OF ASSASSINATION

ANYWHERE

GOVERNMENT

THROUGH

OTHER

THAN

OF OTHER

EN

EMY AGENTS,

WHICH I KNOW GOES ON IN ALL ESPIONAGE

BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE

AGENCIES

BUSH:

HELL:

THE

ONLY

THING

I'VE FOUND IS WHAT'S

SENATE

COMMITTEE

REPORT

AND THERE

BEEN AN

ASSASSINATION

OF

THIS NATURE,

CERTRINLY THAT

HaS

NOT

LOTTING THAT

HAS COME OUT AND VERY,

VERY LIMITED AND

I KNOW DE

THERE

HAVE

BEER SOME P

WOULD

SIMPLY SAY

THAT

THE

GASHE

TO

THE QUESTION IS NO

BUT I WOULD REFER

YOUR LISTENERS

TO THE SENATE COMMOTEEC

KEPO

RT.

AND

THERE

SOME ASSASSINATION

IS DISCUSSED

THERE

AND

THEY

HILL

SEE

IF THEY READ

HND READ

IT

OPENLY. AND

HONESTLY

THAT ALL THESE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT

IT

THE CIA INVOLVED

INT

HE ASSASSINATION OF

FOREIGN LERERS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

THERE WAS SOME ISOLATED INCIDEN

TS OF PLOTTING BUT TO MY

KNOWLEDGE THERE WAS NOT ANY ASSASSINATION

THE DOORSTEP OF

THE CIA.

ALTHOUGH WE HAVE

BEEN CHARGED

WITH

IT,

THAT'

S BEEN LAYED

SO I THINK WE ARE

BETTER SHAPE ON THAT THAN PUBLIC OPINION WOULD HAVE

BRUDMOY:

50

I WAS WONDERING

INFORMATDON GETHE

THE

TORY

CASTRO AND

TALKED

ABOUT

WOULD NOT HAVE

IN CIA INVESTIG

THAT 50

HAYE

NO CONFIRMATION OF IT.

I DO NOTE THAT

NO THIS SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE AND THE STORY IS REPERTED

≤ REPERTED EN REPEATED RODS REPEATED RO

AGENT

A

IT"

- NOT TRUE

THO

HAT

BRUDNOY:

MORE QUESTIONS:

ONE DIPLOMATIC AND

PERSONAL.

SOME FAILSAFE DEVICE

TO RE'S DONE FREETESE EVER THE OLE ME EXES IN DESERCE.

TRUE

TO STOP A CRAZED PRESIDENT?

WE HAVEN

ANY I DON'T

BUT A CRAZED PRESIDENT

N ORDERING THE CIA TO DO SOMET

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