ARRB-CIA ISSUES: OSWALD DEBRIEFING ISSUE (NEWMAN REQUEST)
Originator: CIA
Document date: 12/03/1993
Document type: PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

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2022 RELEASE UNDER THE PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY ASSASSINATION RECORDS ACT OF 1992

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December 3, 1993

Memorandum for the Director,

Center for Studies in Intelligence,

Central Intelligence Agency

Attn: Mr. John Pereira

FAX: 703-243-8343

Subject: CIA Files on Lee Harvey Oswald

This is to acknowledge my telecon yesterday with Dave Gries and with John

Pereira re issue of whether Oswald was ever debriefed by the Agency, and to

respond to John's request for documents which may having bearing on this

issue.

First, a point of order. It is my belief and the belief of the Agency personnel

with whom I have discussed this matter, that your files should not contain the

infamous "debrief," It strains credibility that the Agency would purposely

persist in saying there was no debrief when in fact it had a copy of it

somewhere in its extensive - if sometimes sloppy - records system. It

would have been found by 1993. The issue is not whether you have it now;

rather it is whether it occurred in the past and was destroyed.

We can all talk, theorize and argue over what it might mean later. For now

the task at hand is simply to take all necessary steps to find out. I urge

extreme caution in stating flatly that there was no debrief until such steps

have been thoroughly exhausted. I was surprised to find out after the

FRONTLINE documentary aired, for example, that there will be some rew

pieces on this subject in the not too distant future.

I attach a copy of CIA document number 435-173A, attachment, memo

dated 25 November 1963, by a "T.B.C.", whom I believe might be one Mr.

Tom Comier, possibly a former head of SR6 Branch, Soviet Russia Division,

at the time Lee Harvey Oswald returned to the US in the Summer of 1962.

T.B.C. stated he discussed the laying on of interviews with Oswald, either

while he was en route or after his arrival. Because T.B.C. made a

typographical error when he typed "1960" instead of "1962", the LISCA

foolishly dismissed the veracity of this entire document.

ILIATITO

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T attach a copy of CIA document number 287-690, memo for record, dated

3 December 1963, by Mr. Birch D. O'Neal, Chief, CI/SIG, Subject: Lee

Harvey Oswald. O'Neal's memno is about polygraphing Alvarado, but it is the

reverse handwriting in the upper right hand corner that is pertinent to the

issue at hand. That handwriting appears to be: "Andy Anderson 0O on

Oswald."

I refer you to Mr. Donald Deneselya, a CIA employee in the Contacts

Division in 1962, who told the HSCA in 1978 that he read Anderson's debriof

and described its contents to his HSCA interlocutors. He will tell you today

what he has been saying for 30 years. Don Deneselya does not have a book

and shuns any publicity - it took FRONTLINE almost a year to get him to

agree to an interview on the record. He says what he says not for any

personal gain because there is none, there is only disrepute. He says it

because he remembers reading the debrief.

If I were you, I would first have a long talk with Don. Then I would find all

surviving members of CD/0O/Support Branch. It did not take us long to

figure out that this branch interfaced with the fild offices of the Contacts

Division. While this will not turn up a piece of paper, I think you will find

some answers there.

As an aside: a Mr. Roe F. Anderson was listed in the CIRA obit this summer,

and his son Richard called me after the FRONTLINE documentary aired, and

confirmed his father, a Navy officer, had worked for the CIA. I doubt if this

is our Anderson, but you might check all the same. I would appreciate a note

stating what you find out.

Sincerely,

Dr. John M. Newinan

1019 Summer Hill Drive, Odenton MD, 21113

FAX (home): 410-672-7251; (H) 301-621-0576; (W) 410-859-6131

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REPRODUCED AT THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES

25 Novomber 1963

SUBJECT: Mr. Leo Harvey Oswald

APPROVED FOR RELEASE 1992

TO

CIA HISTORICAL REVIEW PROGRAM

It makos littlo difference now, but

had at one cine an:

Of Interost in Ostald.

that as Chlef of the 6 Branch I had discussed -- sonetime in Summer. 1960

A hot had

As soon as I had heard Ostall's nano,

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with cho then Chief and Depusy Chlof of 'che 6 Research Section the Iaydng

on of interview(s) through

moment I don't rocall 1f this Has discussed while Oswald and his family

Hore on routo to out country of 1f it was after their arrival.

2. Il remember chas OsHald's unusual behavlor in the USSR had struck

me from the moment I had read the first Stite disparch on him, and I

told my subordinatos something anounting to "Donle push too hard to get

cho incosmation te nodd, bacause this individual looks odd."

We wero

particularly interested

in the O1 Osualit nighe provide on cho Minsk

factory in which ho had boon employed, on certain suctions of the city

1ts0lf, and of courso he sought the usual Bl that might help develop

rsiget personality dossiers.

3. I was phasing into my

assignnient,

cho timo.. Thus, I would have loft our country shortly aftor Oswald's arrival.

I do not know what action developod cheroaftor.

Addendum

4, As an afterthought, I socall also chae at the time I mas becoming

Increasingly Intorosted in watching develop a pattorn that me hadidiscovered

In tho courso of our big and rosearch work in 6: che number of Sovlet

womon marrying foreigners, being permitted to leave the USSR, chen eventually

The slay their spousos and seceling down abroad without retiring "hompl

Ho astablished links between

somo of those women and tha KGB.

became interosted in the developing

¿tond-no hud come across.

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Oswald's wife mould actually accompany him to our country, partly out of

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3 Dacember 1963

MEMORANDM FOR THE RECORD

SUBJECI: Lee Harvey OSHALD

"ECit Requests polygaaph of ALVARADO

At 1010 hours on 3 Decenber, Mr. Papich of the FBI adyleed that the

Buresu had received a cablo last night Iron the Logal Attacho 1a

Maxico CIty who 1s In touen vita our ropresantative there. te 'stated

that our representative had been insarned by

NICaraguan Intelligence ServicE that ALVARADO told him,

ha recanted his original story. because of fear of paysical harm; that

Alvarado was being deported from mexdoo to lilcarazua on 4 December 1903

and would be accompanied by

3, that

asaured our repre-

sentative that Alvarado vould be available for further intervion in

¡Icaragus 1I the Unitod statos denired.

Mr. Papich stated that the bureau would 11b0 to have him subjected

to a polygraph exantration by this Agency and would apprectate receiving

word as soon sa possible as to vother ve vill handlo the matter since

1f we will not handle 1t the FBI till have to determino viat other stopo

might be taken to son that thin 1a dono. I advised HI. PapICh thes I

would check Into the matter, that I did sot knou vhothor va bad avallablu

at this tine a polygraph operator uno could proporty handla talo mattor

but th aoy dveat I tould lot bin lor whether tais can do done.

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SECRET / HRG INTERNAL USE ONLY

(working notes - hold in pending file)

Newman phone call to John P. 21/4/1995

Book ready to go to press (Oswald and CIA)

Wanted to give us a "heads up"; not a request to HRG for any

type of action

Will be naming Leon (Leo) Setwaev as source on KGB and

Oswall -- "Setwaev" is a "clandestine" source.

Also will be including the lLI-9 (Abreu) story in his book;

considers him a "key" player and important to the story of

Oswald in Mexico City.

Has ask the Board to broker a

meeting with CIA to help him "hid" the identify.

Later in the day Marwell (ARRB) call John P. re a phone call

from Newman.

per Marwell:

Newman seem to think that the "Setwaev" name will cause

Concern about identifying(LI-9jin book -- wants CIA's

help in hiding identity; may be feeling some "guilt" s

Marwell plans to tell him that it is not an appropriate role

for the ARRB:

HRG Actions:

John P briefed Ellie (DO review team)

Bob E (OGC) altered 4/24/95

No other action planned

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For the record we forward herewith a nemorandum by Thomas B. CASASIN

Subject's return to the United States from the USSR.

in mich le cives his recollections of SR Interest 1) abject following Oscares

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25 November 1963

SUBJECT: Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald

TO

:Walter P. HALTIGAN

1. It makes little difference now, but REDWOOD had at one time an

OI interest in Oswald. As soon as I had heard Oswalf's name, I recalled

that as Chief of the 6 Branch I had discussed -- sometime in Summer 1960 --

with the then Chief and Deputy Chief of the 6 Research Section the layeng

on of interview(s) through KUJUMP or other suitable channels. At the

moment I don't recall if this was discussed while Oswald and his family

were en route to our country of if it was after their arrival.

I remember that Oswald's unusual behavior in the USSR had struck

me from the moment I had read the first ODACID dispatch on him, and I

told my subordinates something amounting to "Don't push too hard to get

the information we need, because this individual looks odd."

particularly interested

in the OI Oswald might provide on the He were

factory in which he had been employed, on certain sections of the city

itself, and of course we sought the usual BI that might help develop

target personality dossiers.

3.

I was phasing into my LOVER cover assignment, and out of KUDOVE, at

the time.

Thus, I would have left our country shortly after Oswald's arrival.

I do not know what action developed thereafter.

Thomas B. CASASIN

Addendum

4. As an afterthought, I recall also that at the time I was becoming

increasingly interested in watching develop a pattern that we had discovered

in the course of our bio and research work in 6: the number of Soviet

women marrying foreigners, being permitted to leave the USSR, then eventually

divorcing their spouses and settling down abroad without returning "home"

The AEOCEAN 3 case was among the first of these, and we eventually turned

up something like two dozen similar cases. We established links between

some of these women and the KGB.

KUDESK became interested in the developing

trend we had come across.

It was partly out of curiosity to learn if

Oswald's wife would actually accompany him to our country, partly out of

interest in Oswald's own experienced in the U SSR, that we showed operational

intelligence interest in the farvey story.

т.в.С.

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