REPORT OF INTERROGATIONS OF NOSENKO.
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2023 RELEASE UNDER THE PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY ASSASSINATION RECORDS ACT OF 1992

14, Yay 1965

ME:ORANDUH POR: Chiof, SR/GI

SUBJECT

s 3-13 May Intorrogation of NOSENKO

1a Although I haro attonded all nino (S) sossions in the curront

phaso of liOSElitO's Intorrogation, I as jot bave been unable to detorilno

tha reasons for tha Intorrogatory conduct and sanser and the true purposo

of the phase itsolf.

.2a As the Intortogator noted in the beginning, ho is to bo concorned

only vith "certain personal settors." The interrogation of NOSElKO along

such linos und iFSElKO's rasponses - neithor havo produced any chango in

Dy opinion oL NOSENiO nos havo appeared to havo opened up any new, useful

or vulliblo inforDition to uS.

3. Perbaps, Iron the psychologists" point of viou, this intorrogation

has beon of sove value; but, even 1f this 1s 30, I canrot sea 1t fros a

roview of his reports. Thase roports all contain basic arrors arising fros

psychelogist's lack of knovlidgo of Soviet saality and his lack of

experienco vith the true naturo of Sovlot san. The psychologiot 1s not:

prepared to proparly doal with ani avaluato NOSEITO becauso NOSENiO 15

first, a Russian; seconà, a Soviet; thire, a Communists and, In addition to

all of this, a highly tratica Intelligenco agent.

La ROSELLO 1s OnO of a lizá. It 1s quite likely that the psychologist si.

never has exporierced such a personality kofore.. Then, with the wide

differenco in their backgrewas and the psychologist's resulting inability

to uniorstind ISENZO's churactor, It 1s unierstaniablo that be cannot

properly Juaço NOSENKO and lils conduci. The Dost vo can bandiania 60 02 12

sura are the carefuily e nsidered opinions of thoso uba.

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haro backgrounis noto similar to that of InSENiO and experienco uith persons

of HiStLikO's typo. This bocones sero aná sore obvious to so as I boarthra tho

psyckologist say, "Holl, he la probibly telling the trutb," when ste I havo

seon clearly that HOSElliO has been lying. There have bean sany such casos in

thís IN latest phase of the intorrogation.

So As a rosult of such instancos - Instances of "soft intorrogation,"

Whore SOSENKO's abulous Lloy hive sit been challenged - NOSEINO can you only

bo gotting the Inpression that there still 1s a way out for bin. le must

resenber that ROSENKO cars to us prepared only for completo succoss or

fallaro, ho espectod lhat in the caso of fulluro ho would bo subjected to

1s9egl bard Intorrogation, harsh treatsent, strong punishiont. let he sow

finds blesoll 1n the pocullar position of having ISURESHAMAsasAd autuardly

fallod In his prinary assignment, yet being faltty woll treatad asd allowed to

contimo with bis llos and dezinfortsiya despito his eetention. Ho can nou

only be thinkang that there still 15 sobe hope for biD and for b1s Idssion.

6. In his report on the 3 lay session (first sessina), the doctor

vroto: "... After apologizing fos having starach triublo he becase sast

recoptive and even eager to cooperato. In goneral bis sannor du-ing the

intertiou rosalned telered, siontanoous una ralevant.... As the Intortiou

progressed 1t lias auparent to so that de ves gottire considerable psychological t

relief fron tha ntervieu. At the tine he left, he actually told se goodbyo...."

This 1s typieal of sany such stetemonts ani Inchdatts which ano sy reasons for

asicinE - do ve rcally need this kind of InterrogatIon? HANaLrIEN

Tros oside the seart stroll we mast and lf to really ded to colder

Ou selves uita giving NOSEliNO "usychological rellof." If sot a and sinco it

15 abrious do are getting nothie que es 18 - 1pea is type es

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Intorrogation should be abaridorod. is

% Elsouhere the frycbologist uritos that "the pierceo that HOSENKO

paintod of his futher vas that of a hard vorking niz.... Accredited so a

worker at 13 or. 14..no e gradualed fros tho Instituto the jeir after

NOSEliZO vaS bOrA In 1928. MOSEINO tolla of bolts told that bis fatkor

would work at hose on his studlos whilo holding ROSENIO ASTAss bis Isona to

quiot hin when ho would cry." lo knau all of this - except the fact that

FOBENSO Jold his son across his knees -Iron the Soviet seuspages, Bravis,

3 August 1956, and bat fathor has not held his crylig child across his

boos to confort bin?

8. It 13 cortein that NIM our HOSINTO did karo a fatber, and thank

It 1s quito I1koly that this fathor hold his across his icoes. let this

does not answer the real question - 1s our HOSENJO's fathor Ivan Isidorovich

ECSBILLO?

9o HOSENKO told us 1n this first soosion that big fathor studled 1n

the Rebrak and the Instituto walle working fall-tias iwing the years 1923-28.

To doctos vas quito inpressed With HOSELlO's stalesents on this. Tot Pratis

soteionly to studios of

(agala on 3 August 1956, 1a NOSENKO"s obItuary) racia/tada | SOSBiTO, Ivan

Lalderovich tenbchless NosEli0, Jran Isidorerich, also/been voride at the me

tina ho uas straying, Pravia vould have sontioned this sithout fall, becauso

It vas that much soro to HOSEN:0's credit. Parther, tia 3 August 1956 Bravia

clearly stated that astor graduation froz the Instituto, ISBITO, I. I., vas

sent to kill a ship-building plant.

10. In the sare sosson, HOSENO stated that at sose point in 1922 his

Tather was adria to the Party, Sell later that EStiO I. la outered the

Party In 1925o Accordirg to NOSEllO his family sored to Loningrad outly In 1934-

Pravia (3 Aug 56) statos tiat they sarod 1n 1935.

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11. II DISElO does not reraliur what his Isther did. - how ho Lorked end

studied, whos the family sated, whos ho was addited to the CPSU - uhy doos so

not aãy so? Why 1s bo apparently guessing at theso thinga? Also, uhy can't to

reserber these things when ke can resenber boing keld across his father's knaca?

12. The psychologists report inclidos und assessIant of lOSEllO's carbars

"As hypothosts that could bo rado based on the doscriptles of the sother, could

bo that sho would haro dif: leulty adjusting auey from llcalayor where sbe kad

been born ani whero she could deponá on ker rotkor." OI uhas 15 this sot treo?

Was does not experienco soze difficulty 1n saving away fros familiar neighborhoods

and Irlands?. Do lo really seed this assonscent of lOSENiO's sothors erations of

35 Joars ago? Do wa need it badly onough to spend this such thee and effort

sotting it?

13. The paychalogist's report continuess "... Ms (ISSliO's) bother

continued to get sup ort sto= her father, and they appare: tly litod better

(or beyond their roans) in leningrad." So what? Is the point that we should

than's NOSENiC grardoather for belping INSENSO grOW and CODO to US? BAN

Is not, than sain what 1s the point? lay do to seod tis?

14o It 15 IT opinion that the typo lall and line of questloring used es.

14 0ª precent 1n this phase of lOSEN:O's Interrogation skould be aberdoned;

we sust drop this polley of lotting NOSENTO ra-ble on frealy and unlaterrutedLy

about tha untrartant cotalls of his youth. Instoad, we akould bogin sou

to press NISENIO ani question hin in detall about such things ass

Do His fathor's life (ve still cariot bo cortain that NOSENiO's

fathor vas the 1. I, NOSiTiO); PoT OxaTIle, NOSENIO's father's sorvico 1a

Chai (& what creält was giren BOSENiO for this utilo ho was vorking In Stare

Securd!), was it oven beatsoned in bis sile?)s

b. Ils grandfather (External); for esarule, his arrest aná coith 1n

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Ja11, the rolo this played when lü SENIO antered the KGB, the sanrer 1a which

1t vas recordori 1n HOStKO's filo, NOSENIO's questionirg in Personnol (1don21-

tlas of Personnal cooloyees Incluici) about thia, liOSENKO spoko with soro

baopiness and gratitudo of the financial assistasco liven his fastly by tho

Brardfather - the KGB would bate boon sost unhappy to learn of this!.

15. Il ISBItO vere really tha perses to clales to ba he sould bava

splican sore precisely of his father's rank (rank given and dato recoivod)!.

According to Pravia, 1n 1911, ISSEW:O's father got the sank of Engineer-Rear

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AuDiTal. HAILERSIAl Tho TeRl BOSTliKO also scould be ablo to tell as core

docarations

precisely of the lensatenta given his father. Accoriing to Pravda, ho was

asarded three Orders of lonis, Ordor of lachloor Pirst Class, throo Orders of

Rod Banner (Labor), Orior of Red Star, Ordos of "'edal of Honor (Znal Pochota);

16. Further, 1n order to bo certain thet we havo the real lOSElil, vo

should question his 18 dotall about his fathor's deith und funoral, startleg

with tho 1120038 asd the doctors in attonianco tbrough the procossion itos tho

Ball of Columna to tho frenlin vall. I do not vish to Includo such dotallod

questions lu this Done, but can dansa produco then uses request/sireng

espectally those on the funerel procession, having tuico been in such procossion o

sysalf.

According to Pravia (5 RUE 56), M. I. POBROVNIKOY vas a sember of am

thó eral coralesdon and eponed the funeral cerenong on Red Squaro, BOaROVIã08

at that tise vas Chairzazy of the Moscor Gity Council. During the 13 May 1965

Intertien, NOSEIKO sentlaned a girl friend, larina, vio onco vorked as secretary

to BOEROVEKOV,. Is this was to a tres stateseat, then NeSEliO sbould be able

to tell us such about BOBROVUllOTs furtherzore, whes talking sbout Marina,

#SENKO should probab-y have also volunteered the information that "this vas Ebo

DiDA BOBROVNLiOT uDo vas on the co-Assion for Ey father's funeral....."

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171 18, 3 My 1965 IntervicH. Even Dou No aro not certala of the dato wlan

tho NOSENIO fartly sevod to Leningrad, ISENKO 82J9 1t was 1n 1934, but Braves

roports the soro as bavlag beon 1n 1935. It 18 possiblo to ballevo that'

NUSELIKO right havo forgotton the dato, but we sust reseaber that ho associates

the Boto with his level of schooling. That 13, MOSTlTO says that ko sated tross

the Quilass 1n Molayor 1s 1934, whos ta vas 6 jeers old, ho says thei 1a

Leningrad ho was in tho first grado.

reverber

so MOSTlil could sacada nono of his friends fran likelayor. It 19

possible to bolieve that iOSSliKO sight havo forgotton those frionas 15 ko bad.a

had no contact with then In later J0a1s6 Got ICSEHSO bizself says that ho

Visited Mikolayor taico after the farily had sored fron thero. Certainly bo

cust bavo sot vith sobo of thuso frierds, and bis 1i 1s cortals also that bo

vould resorbor those seetings.

D. Althoupl NOSENSO could reelber noDo of his frlesaa from ilkolayou,

It 10 Interesting to soto, ho reDo-bered tory woll that when his fazily rovod

to leningrad 1n 1994 thoy sere set by his father vith a "GIZ? autosabilo.

D. NOSEINO roDerborá also that ubilo in Leningred bis farily livod

at

(1) Ploshchad' Stackos,

(2) Griboyodorfe Kanal, and

(3) 115812224 ulitse Gorkago. Did But NOSEND could sase

no friends of neighbors whos he knew wall whilo in Leningrad.

do lOSERSO never sentiong visiting forDer frionds ben Misiting forbor

places of residenco.

O, Tha psycholofists say accopt theso "lapses «l Lonary" as baing

"Just busan, " but I cannot.

19. 1 My Interlone During this intorviou, saSENKO changed his story

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slightly, saying that blo lasily noved to Leningrad In larch-Aptll 1935;

ubere ho started the first grado (11 Spotozber 1935). NOSEliO couid not,

how-vos, describo the school of nano oven oro of lis teachore. When tho

dactor Insistod this tino that HOSENSO DaTo BODO ITIondS, so fato tho

ricknamo, "Sbtars," but felled to givo tho boy's truo Dana, he also lastal

Even 1f

gaTo the 1aJo, 0l0g 452:10007 SAFRONOV. Estato eccopt as a fact that NOSENSO

santala really canset roDerber any of his friends lOtIßlMla ton

chilebood, ve cannot bollovo that ho also bas complotely forgotten abou t

tho naval school and the tekbrikus.

20. Conoral. During these latest sessins, ISElikO has boen i5y:08

very hard to put the record of his schooling in propor ordor. But in

tion of what has beon atated in the pasty tiapsm and his present

orIOTs, It sust be said that he 18 I'inding it Impossiblo and ha 11 sad

sot a t all convincing. In Iy dilalon evorything ho has told us about

this, stärtleg Iron the 1941 period, has boon a 11o. It 1s possible that

ho really vas In Kuybysher and Baku for ODe reasOn er anothor, but SalM his

ston doseription of the circumstancos and altuations is unbollovablo tore and

fits Do Sovlot pattorn of 1150.

21. On 4, May NOSENKO sald that whllo he attendad the 585th Eigh Schoolis.

1n Mascor, he had two fronds - Madlair XUBALOY ass Anatolly TIMAKOV. But

thoso vero not frictas sho also lived on Saraflnevich Street, nor vera they .

children of Soriot high officials. NOSENO falled to nasa any frienda ubo

vere chilaren of high officiels, except SABUROV.

22. NosEtlics doscription of his 11f0 on Seraflorich Streat could

nover carvince. no that ho over really i'vai there. Asong the higs officials

Tr..

Long da Seratordea Stront, Mossio motiorad pena stunt say it i

Accordinz to uy knouledge, prior to Ill II 3a cany other onbors of tho

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soviet gotorntent aldo vero living thore (KAGANOVICH, otco).. If liESElSO 18

tha porson he claima to be ba shauld be ablo frauly to sase and d1s0u5s rary

PeISORS MITAGIRM ITOs anong the first ranking officials sha lived on

Serafinovich Strootz not just SIVERHE (uhoie adiress, Inclientally, altondy

bas been published 1n Iho Secret lorld).

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-SEGRE

24 Six: 1965

la lt ias tho utonti a of the uncersiçuse to airLi avery gassiun conducted

by the dictor la hopo to ga:n sootbi:g sou and useful for our future

intorrogations. During thosa Dosslors, I sanaged only to rocross ty

raDory of things AÜSElKO had; rotously nald. Koth ng sou or sigeificant

developed during thesa sassions excapt for a lou ninor facts ubich bavo sa

great valla. It sbould be sontlosed that rany of tha facts that USENSO

statod about his past 1lfo vera soro sixed up than the stary ho had

proviously rolatedo

20 It.

1s not the intone of th a aper to criticizo tho tork which the

¿octor hus dono because the sossions havo alreaiiy taios place and

the work is conslated. ly pain objoction to this type of into:rogation

Is that the doctor triod to zilntain a soutral aitituio and sover

sy opialon that

challanged say of liNSENKO's Statosents. It Is/ ino docior rado a Idstabo

In tho lust seasion uhon bo told HiSSliSO "I ou aTO liSTENSO. " Ihis loads

HiErO to belloro no accopted his lifo stasy and fandly backgroual, dod

It would to tory bard to question his agata os tais subject. It 18 my

opini:n that va did not havo anough iníeration to sake a iefinito

o salust a that ho 1s InSEiKO, What 1:55110 tolê us caulé bo obtaired

or losed by another porses vory voli brieflos these eat erse las es

the inforzation that liCSENSO gava to us about his parents is stillnot

c.nvincing to sake corclusions. lest of the questi as during tha recent

sessions vero of a ioading nature und liSalio's answoras appared to

bo of the type that the doctor vantod.

-SEGRET .

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#9 IN IT OPINIER, ICSECTO did Dat say soro abiut his fatbor, and in sary

Inslanco loss, than the newspaper Pravda said in 1956.

3. In the doctor's opini in, liStliKO sontionad to us quito a lou farily

frionis uho vero

Around the ROSESTO fantly and at the first look 1t 19

associatod

only sason uha logically rould be soirectad wIth SiCSBIRSO es ICSEIE0's

¡ather, and nothing Sotaboy about thair actiritios as pilvato israsa

sipalricantis, jost ol the inforzaisin lEStO has firen us 1o about

paoplo uho sto sictar dittor dond or so longer 1n authority, For exasplo,

MALISIE%, (fortor doputy chadrzan of the Council of Hinistors, ¿lod) s

esthen Kninetior

You naras tho aro liPs DoN, but did not say anythirg

átorost ng about tian. For examplo, ho sontloned SIVERIE uho LiTOsen

and the

Latoly ho sentioned larshal Zausov's da gator wao he kneu volera

alrosiy

a good pieturo of Pira ZHUKOVA ¡TOn Ond of our eEployees as vell as a good

deseription of ZHUKtV's apartsento

So Tha only e nelusion ve can cose so fivn the l'oregoing is that Fistato

has bean ationed to tay litilo or notbirg about the lives of important

Soviet officials, or this san is Dol SCisitO aná ail ho knous 1s tbo

SEGRET

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1s tho logend which bas been provided his of or ansiors which ho could figuro

out birsalt.

6. Withs regard to his sothor, ho did nat contion artbing of Inportanco to

U5. Ho did not sontion any of his rather's Arlinds aseng Sovlet VIPB, and

triod to arold or obergo the subjoot uhen this satter was tonight up.

7a I as not convincor that ISENiO lived on Sorisovicha and Granavaldy

Stroota becauso ha gato so littlo inforcation about thasa areas that

1t 13 ispossi lo to jaigo 1f he actually Itved thero. Although ho

..garo corroot information about a lou ViPa uho liTod "n DOUSeSiA tbat

aros, othor dotalls aro lacidag which voulá confirm his residenco tiora.

Bo PCSENKO's latest inforsation on his educational backgroura 18 s0

dred up and ba nado so rasy mistakes rogerding Sovlot realities that 1t

1s Ispossiblo to ba:lovo toas any part of bia aducation.

9. I don't bolloro any part of lUSEliKOrs story about his nil tery sorvico.

"Tho liaral Proparatory School In Belu and Loningrad:" Accordisg to Saviot

regulation; a persos vas usually callod 1n the arty when he is 19 (rhoso

caliod bo called at ago 18.

uho haro graduatad Iron high school or atheruise haro a highor cucation)

ISESTO JOU Mas bora on tax 30 October 1927, then ho would be 18 yoars

old on 30 Octabor 1915. Ho could be cal ed dato the arty at this tiro, 10001e

tha fail of i945, aithough lo shouid bave been 18 by Soptember of that joar:

oranarily, balould be called to servico 1e 1946. In sy opinion, ivorything

NICSENTO said adout big allitary background in any kind of serrica school

poles to the Jail es 1915 18 a 1la0 licslito, shou da sot atteni dhe llehes

Naval Schools in Leningrad and Daku becauso ho las too young to attord these

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achoala "na the schuals only accepted studants who vore ready fer regular

for accaptanco in thasa schoolg vas

"ilitary servico, and the lowest ago/zoubod

= 18 jcars. Then. we still have

unanstered questions on thore, when, and bau liSElo finttaboà high

och: ol, ilsello's story that ho took send coursos in loscow Evening ligh

Sch. al Attached to Lobidy Instituto and his attonianco at the Loningrid

sal, butta hE jechalera, I evestder si a copiloto lio, because It dono,

not

logical

I1t any/za::ers of Sarlet scality.

10. It 10 ty bollef that ISENZO pobably naver vos in cotualiallitary

servico and dofinitoly did not také/alitary eath the tay ho ioscribed 1t,

1.0., that ho attor took the asth at the are of 15 or 16 la Babu.

Janso not

oceseary to sodas any attoricanad rosgarcl since an indiviaual lad

the ailitary oath. Il wó boliovo that l' SENSE las adeltiod to tha:

Loringrad Ilgher MIStary: Proparatory School in 194l, usta 9 gradas of

education he vauld not be wind tod to the sebool bocalse of his 94o exa

becauso ho could not taico ho oath until October 1915a

21. Diring tha iast Interroçaios, thare VaS BODe CaRFUSICi On ESENtOs

part about h's ailitary ranios. And 'now so havo three different sortes about

bis ranks. Jr. It.

• June 1947

Isto

Siro It - ond of 53 or our oftso has alated that he was prozeted to

Lto In 1980rast interview, ho satod that ho vas proboted to So lt 10 Apr1l

or tay 1953.

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1310.

Capt → July 1956

2b1801

Major — Aug Sept 1959

Ho kot statoa that ho novor vas a Bajor.

Lt Col-lion 1953

Masad lad to bo apravad ty the central Cocaittoo because es bis

jouth, Theso storlos about his silitary ranka shauld sat bo takes

should be

soriously ara/considorod as a cuzoloto 1lo.

SC:3 POLIT'S FROM THE DECIUR'S INTERV. EM

1. NCUENACINX slatod (7 l'uy 1965) thal ho louk the cath in Babes

In 1943 when ho was 15 years old, but ha did not razouber you ho onrolled

12 Ebo B abu school. In the gaso rooting, lia steted that unile be was iD.

2be Baku school ho was konkndir otdelonlya. Also in tha saso istertiou ka

statod that to wig in the taskorstly Mitskly Eldpash. It should be said that

the Moskorskiy Fiotstly Ilcipazh vas only for naval personnal uha vero culled

In tho rogular saval sorvico, All of thie abould bo consicorades a lio.

2. Ca 10 May 1965, NGSSHKC stated that sureuboro ko was arrestod

ubas ho was 16 Jears old and vas so put undor hiso artest. IS thia isabcaroctre..

Incidont soally took placo, 1t 1s IcT a I1kalJ that papa holpool bis to

got out of tho arroat er 1t 19 possiblo to think that attor this airost

¿os soro criso unlorown to us ho has put in jail and than in a corcentration or

laber carp. This 10 why lilSENKO tells us a story that in 194, in the fall,

ho was wa:king for tho or three sonths in the forest, khere ho got sick

and cunditions veto vory kad. As lilSEliKO deseribod it, to e editia s

soro toro judor Ilke a labor casp than a rogular idlitary unit.

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3a Accord az to lOSElKErs latest story, bo voluntarily sont to

the satal proparatory school of frurzo in 1941, but he didn't start any

studles until Movesbor or Deconbor 1941, bacauso the libolo school vas

working in tho forest. Then In Fobriary of latch 1945, the shooting

accident took pieco and ho spont sono tino in the hospital and in l'ey

ho onrolled in e abipbullding tochicus, losalso triod to sato us

boliono that vailo ba vas in tho naval projaratary schoal he studied

Juth giado subjoots, but as no cas 100, in actual reat, bo did not study

anythlog becauso ho had no tise. Laiora ho stated that sax be ontolied

12 tho oblibullaira tochnicus 1n lay, tho next sonto bo gasluatod

and rocolvad his certificato as 11 ho graduatei fros a biga school,

and got the right to go to a higher institution. Only a crazy jerson

could balieve this story.

Lo During all the Intortogations, lo never got a clear picturo

Internal

hou ho received his first/passport in leningred and bou ho rocolved hia

Ilrst ailitary tickot. If ho toally was desablized and put in the saservo

It should taka placo sobolbero later then October 1945 bes ho becase

18 years old. Datinitoly there will be to talk about any idlitary tickot

Dorora jou reach 18 Scars oldo And Doso likely et that tiro ho should bisro

been 19 years old to have bean called into the sostico or posted to tha

renerto. It aboud bo notod hero 1f lESTEO really tas in the navel

profaratory schedl 1a I9ll and 1945 ard recoirce his rilltary ticket 1a

1945 then ho d:Initely should be tuo years olier thas ho cialto.

SEGRET

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• CO5 INJ, liUSEliNO pared Joro friendo. do conticned

l again SABE -V's

Duns. CDo of then ¿dilad bio uilo (Valya YoIrisoval, the daughter of

do, uty sinistor YEFRIMiV). Ho talled bor because he found her in bed vita

another ran. Do uty Minister V. V. YEFRIILV vas coputy to li SElKOs fatbar.

H a vas et his funeral and dolivored a erpach 1n Red Squaro during tha

hun abeut irionda ho alvago ranti ned SABURT. lEStiO only contlazed

YEFA-MET by nano and did not giva a y istella. If li SENKO 18 la person =5

#ho person ba is supposed to lo, ho would known such soro about tico

I1fe ard background of tho iejuty to his fathor. And horo ag ala to bavo

an oxasplo of a person jibocisatttilge uka 15 no longor a VIP.

6. On 6 May NGSBNiKO Lold us stories about the oldest con of SABUKOY who te

terried tho daughter of tho forter Minister of RaiLroads KOVALLT • It

should do noted hore that the illl story of IlVALSY wis published in ey

book The Sacrot Horld. KiVALSY vas puniahed sod lost his V.P status in

2950.

To On 21 May , 11 answering the doctor's questio of about his first work in

the KGB , MSENKO told Is a story liN ho socairod an order to vrito a statesent

co arrest a Soviot citizen uho vas consocied with forolgnora, (Maxerazad tho

Soviet citizen vroto a lottor to tho Anerican Embass) According to Mi SEEKO

ho rojocted this type of work alth:ugh there las ERIlYA's resolution lor

295.

falt

arrest (Rusalan Nord 10 Fazsatat!), Furthor, ISENKO expabiara that the

man was not guilty. The point of this story was to prote that to was working

1na the SCD.

8o. On 20 Nay ISERKO Onse again resolaned thut the berking hours of tho

KGB sore fren 10130 in the cosning until l o'clock in the carnirz, with a

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break betueen 5 and 8 1n tbo

even ngo As I alroady said befero l'oscos Hsadquertora

WatAl LalT JUly of August 2953 wardog hours vore iron I1 As to 12 PH

vith a Jeak f5o5 to 8 18 iia Ovonirg. Ii oblest' KGB, Inc uding Mascou

cito, corking hows sere Man 10:30 i tha parales to 1 o'clack in the

seraleão Saiubato at la ona ar i ply and the bogianing es Auzust 1953,

broak of 1/2 to 1 hour tekon between

Itho hours of 1 Pil to 3 Pist for

all the offsces of the ICh lacisiny herquertora do the oblaste.

Then st 18 possiblo to think that faybea soreuboro la tiascon ablasts,

Losingrad, of soDe other city,

¿Ley sizo used to works as a case officer

or vas closoly con: octed ulth tbig oblasts XGB. That 1s whore he lonreod the

vorking hours, That 1s no braco the ristake le regaralag the vorting

bours 1n boadquartoro.,

9o then the do'érs a unitira la the suzer as NeSTO's psychological

assossront Re called his a bright sociopathe

Haybo he 15, but 12 IT opinion

to 1p

i vory well traned agont ulth great ingenulty and balogonna preparation.

alutely ¿s sagraco vitato doctor's staterent that "lo has been essentsally

e mincing and accurato 1a feneral 1I not aliayo truthral in dotall." In

eno point 1t 19 possible to agres vith tho doctor that NOSENKO does sot

prodeat to us the corploto legond. In sy opinios,, ISENKO, developed

Dis ova story or legosa bl solf in response to lead: 18 quistlois, especially

wait is eating lia adi oche mp mp to salsooa salsa od od is, one.

to his defection, la shoulá bollovo that it vas a logosa devolo. od lor

MENTO by bo KGB, of course, with his bolp.

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lo it is suggested that. I partle-pato in tho rost hostilo, soedling

Interrogati.s. It tould do bolpful for so lo havo a disguso during the

next intorrogallon, although ho vill probably kniti uho I an rogarclesa

of tai any disguiso I U30, His ulso suggestod that I Intertogato bin

alono in trointerrogation root, although I profor that socoono be presont

"???

in the room • But 1f I aa alocolt will givo so grea:or autbarity 1n

19 :..

M°SErIO's eyos, abi this ray be a psychological factor vorking to sy

benofit. B ut 11 liCSSiKO is taken to anolbor placo, thon 1t 19 possible lo

interrogate his unior KASR flag to represant tysolf as a sorber of Xese di

to askod Cil autioritlos tox for e long tino to talk to liesslidio In tho

evont of :y participatlin in the intorrogution to av: le alstakos and

'sunderstanilags, tho intorrogation should be held in Russlas. It is rot

possiblo to saxo tho interrogation us hostilo as 1t sight bo and to socalo

him 1f the intorrogatl 1 18 hold In English, as NSKHKO does not unio-stere

strong tords in English as tell us to dons in Fursian, Intbag the intertogation

I 1111 sot sjonk fast ton orior to rako 1t unierstandublo. It 18 uniorstood

Chat I as golne to bo correct, but not pollto. I lould isy to avald fortire

Into any arguents with isaiko, In casa of argusents, I would ask his to be scated

and to ansuer the questlons. In tho ovent he rocognizos and to'ls so uho I

an, 1t 1s possiblo to gito two anstero: 1. I su not he but he 1s Caring coon

to talk to gol, and you aro Eistakono lo Yor, I eD and you aro goleg told

Eito so proof that you are l. lou havo to giuo to proof that you did sork

for the KeB.

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In casa of 1y participation, 1 vould tike to bo ablo te 190 all tbo infostall.a

tha t MSElKC bas previousiy told us. In utilizing this inforslion, 1 vould

I1ko to have a froo hané to press iln on certain points which I feal vould

Do of valua to un 1n gaining a cunfession fron bie. I secd porsission to.

use the naves of Eagles, Big Goergo, and Murphy, of course, chiy in the

proper way and shon it is ascossary. The uso of the changes in tho

Sortet gavornsont coula bo idiscussed huvinz in mind thouso those ovento

in at the prover to uben it 1s as arent that 1t will help his to e riess

(the uso of enly tho fall of INCICHRY Witbout revealing the siso of in.

SHE:5: Il and SEICHRSTUT.) It could bo used in vart us ways, for example,

a nouspajor on tha tador tablo vith: nly the heailina sbowing. la coulé to

1l}ved to see the japer inadvertently and la cauld seo ubat his reaction

13. Os, the Infor-ation could be brought out at a point in tho Interrogatio

when ve are trying to altees that te rust cinfoss sinco va know ho la

talling Lies, and furtborsaro, lla bosses are na longer in authority 1a 120

S. Not Union and all 15 lost for hin anybou.

20 During the intortogat1:n stress should constantly to f-Ten to the fact

that NUSB5Ã0 1s bo s8 used as a tool of the KGB eithout proper training e-

of Aberica realitles, and that his id-al 1 bas doomsd fros the start becase

of thisa.

3. Il 1t is deciiod to give kio 80s0 drugs, Eitshould bo given prios to sco hoo-

211o interrogatlin, so that to can U50 any E8 the afortation galred Ston

the uos of thoso drugs a ainst kim. The first setter tbich sionid bo sto

dotermined 11 érues are used 19 shoth-r he is li jENKO or not.

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lo I would not bost tato lo contimathe Intortogallona lo the point ubero

perhapis

INSENTO Mould bo extresoly tired and proudo lass ablo to re81os bastilo.

enough

questioning. Il thare is sot sorpora personal los extendod periods al

interrogation, then ho phould be loft In tho intetrogation roos during

broaks In tho inter-ogailoso

TEARS AREAS TO BE EL SCITO DURINO TIE IT USE LIZIGAEE

Lo Everything about MUSElICs educatler start of tron Leningred alasantarysi

school, sova to lascon, l'ascou schoolli8, should do exeriod. dad special

attontlin chould bo dovoted to tho achools ho attoried 1a Septorbas 1941,

Kubysbor, Erra, l'ascou, Leniegrad, ard back to "oscow againa Durinz eba

datorrogation of this period, to aboulal shall IS to ta facto

that bo coulá sol bo ai any Ellitary sehool; Tior to ia fall ef 1965- Thos

vo do sot baliovo bis story. This In errogation sbould Iscluio dotallod

quort ontos about lla travel to lubyaber, Bales, to I'lad eist vibero lo

really tes at that period. At the susa lisa, 10S5F10 sbould bo quastlasa

abou t ibaro bls parents lital Sas Octabor 1941 tara 1912, Also ba sborti

Do queBtieDad about h.8 51:3t passport vasch ho 13 sipposed to recalto sol

carfler uhas trooò, lovezbor 1943 and Dol lat I this ibe begluning of 194lo

The sane can bo Bald abert his ellitary lickot, 100., then and bou bie

roceivod his first allitary ticisat, brough what allitery coldscariat,

bocause ho could sot receivo his illitery tickot earlior than lorerder 19465.

His story ibat ke received his edl:tary ticket in lba surrr of 1945 1s falso.

What sedical consission bax was he erasined by bafore to got his =111ray

tickot shouli bo ascertelsed. It 15 Ispossiblo that DiSE:TO vas on actiTo

#1l1tery servica prior to 1945 Including any allitary schorls becaigo is bio

ago. Ba sbould beto beos called to ictiva duty in ibe fall of 1945 os:ono

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11kaly In 1946. Ii be vis postodin sctivo resorto in 1945 or 1946 lbon tbo

question 18 tha ho las not called into lte erbyo

Togathor vith tris d'es tho questl:n ul l SeisO's cucalles 7 in tho

Instituto of Intirnational Polations. The story be told us is

unbellevablo. First le siates that it bas a four jear courso and tibat

ho giaduatei in 1949 und later on ho changed hissbory and gald that st vas

a fiTo year courso and test io graduated in 1950.

2o MOSSiikU's first partiago io TalEGlis danghtos arà ditarco. Ca: this

subjeot, 'lsaii0 should be quastioned about his registration of the

car:1ago, jassports, uhat district vas tha carriago registered in, about

baubs apurtzents on tbs first l'eshchanskare Siroet, Including his allitary

status at this t1oo, what irà of silitary tickot ho ked, thon 1t vas

rogistored. toro infinito questions shiuli bo assed ebeut gho divorco

annuncesent 1n the nouspapers and fail proceduro of la ditorca Inelival-g

tho tho court sessions (district and oblast' courta), Alleony - tho exact

assest as al!D015, sudoâinz to bla that sardiser la told us ebar ba jeta to

his First viSo 150, C00 rublos form his forey which bo carned derring in te de

Far East. Accoriling to the latest liSEllo steto-onts lo spent in tho Far E-st

Losa than 20 sontbs. Il this is the caso, thon ISSASO 31933 receired zoro

Sven 11 liSElIO vas 1n thi Far East and Escaired there a double salariy?

as a jr. Ito lo first year of service Intie CRU, lo coula rot sabo coro than

3,000 rubles a conta (I gate bero the liguest possiblo salarty for a junior

-officos)

3. Botti ul tho subjects santionci aboro shoula bo sporcaredo Inroaitzat

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along vith the rettor of uboro li SEllO was living at that too, aying

social a-tontion to Sorifcalcha, GraDouslago and FlIst lostchang'aga

Stroats, leaping in sind that these subjeats will rolly sheu 1f he 1s

lOSElKO. If to do not got proper ansveros on hhe first tua subjoots,

15 ko continuos to lia or givo unsatisfactory answers, uban 1a ly

opiaion 1t 19 not secossary to question bla about his stuis in the

coralgel rolations instituto. Is the ansvers aro satisfactory or moro

malistic thon lo vould toro to tha Instituto of Intorsational Rolations.

L. NOSBIXO a Entry to Uho RCB. Bocauso la bavo A OF 5 differont datos

on his oniry into the KGB I think 1t would be a good lioa to start goustioning

hia fro: the pojat uhea ho sala that once prior to 1952 ko bad corolato

Incorviou vith the KGB spassetter roprosantative about bis amloysent

In tha KGB, but ho rejocted this proposal becauso ho did not liko Ito

Frou this point ve vould go on fros the beginning sobolboro in 1952 uben ho

IIrst talkod WIth KABULOY aDd So Cho lai ho should bo challenged ail the tise

that XGB did nöt work bo way ho deseribed to us. Then sorowbero during

tho intorrogation ho should bo rosisded os astei questices could a person e.

be 1a KGB serrica 1I boss

ag Toco Jena: to the IGS by a person uho was shot to death as an enery. of

cho jeopio.

Do whose

(othor'a beckzround is roblo (ivoryan), and whose praddiattor vas

A Trotskisito qni uno vas ar-ostod and dieà 18 1a11.

c. uhoso fither of First vito vas arrested and las in fall the day ho

entered tha 4G5,'

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¡do uto divorcod his firat vilo dot in the proper way and probably vas

guilty and quastion about tonig hig Inserality was discussed in tho

party cursission of the C'SU

Do uno entored the KGB, uhen ho has alroady overage benbor of tho

Rongosal without any dasiro to bocone zag a serbor of the Cosmunist Party.

Io whould a person with such background zentioned abovo bo takes

to work in tho SCD Asorican Dajartsert

do who sous lost his Konsenal cosborship because of his aisuso of

operational docuients and 1uorality.

Do who was arrested for 15 duys for the roisons contiona abovo.

So Who was withoug forsonol and party renbership for 2 years.

Jo who rejoctod the ordor of tho kinistor to urito a stataiont for

arrest 1n tha vourge of his work.

otco

It 18 tory hard nou to dovolos questions about ls entry into the KGB but bo

sbould bo challangod all the ties about bis ansuore.

So I die not sention about his borg in the Fer East and hou be vas

tranSfOrTed fION GRU to ICB. Tho line of questions on this satter would

Do

depond or connacted whith answorzs tox about bis caucatlon and bou ha entered

tbo KGBe fuestluns about his tool transfer Itos tha GiU to the KGB could bo

put togother when no vill questica bla about his enter into she iCe, his

personal file, ani nilitary ranks.

6. I would definitaly utilizo and sbou to his iho nusber 7, that 1a

connoctöd nih 1t, anjust ask hin for an explanation.

To LOGENKO's trip to Goriay la soarch of CHEFEPANtY. This questIra should

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atebtad tros tho point ubero ho first hoard of CHERZiAliOVis dafootiva IIus

MaSCON, MOSEliKO's irlp to Gorioy and hou long ho stualed the CHREPhiCY

papors. Haro all the liOSEIKO docurents should bo da bard.

8a liOSEisO's Ojeiational ani soclal ectivitios on Pod Squaro during tho

holl-aya and father'" funeral algo socra lilSEllkOls prosenco at tho Eroslia

not as

should be clusoly investigatod becauso 1t 1s sy beilof borias ofton 1n

Red Squaro as ho chelred. Il ho vas thero, 1t vas oriy onco o: tulco

and 1t would bo ousy to Ilx bis up about these ratters. Quastions on a a

this subject could be developod according to his answers.

•9. I :o la liko to tako liCSEiKO on e irip Iron Kursily Station in Moscow

to his apartient on Harodnaya Strootalong Chialorglaya Streat and

Taganica • Also on a trip along Dzorzbirskly Streetsroteake Streot asd

First l'osbchanskaya Stroat to his apertent buliding whero ho Ilved with

ho first vilo. This is necossary to bo suro that he roal y Ilted In ibose

placos. I still do not boliono that ho really lired at these sidressos,

excopt for the fact that ho muy bavo lived nearby in sufebouses.

10. Intorrogation on oporational questicns such as his work with agento

aná his des of safebcuso, etc. could be beld Istoro It depoids bou the

postocanos interrogatica goos.

Noto: I hare no secial cuf, ostions hou to axploit ¡CSEniO's Icforzatlos, =.

1t dependa on the nort stago of tho

interroga:son, but I ais against

tocong taning his back to the jorlets, ikather ko cordosses of noto

No have bass topcrorything in our power to sako his confoss in order to

win this big gaso.

Is so publish his story oven with our changos ulthout bis corfessien

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¿anonstarto

no will ie on tho losirz sido.

There 1s no room to bobesthrogabde that

defection 1s fall tho aot of an honorablo sativated san without kis

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lose criting, cemen: dor to to aped gossible

?!?!!!.

eside in? indie digirdash de irs. OSTUD.. It is ry

1s necrisad: locause if mieros aistries in ier Soviet.

story re-reling hort: in ii. iSt; anl some irculiarities

la her corresponioner vith addressees in the USSh, which

strongly close line come ferr of open code sas emplojed

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1n00 that she soviets will roi roulster the name of the

father if there has not been a

fornal marriage - cven

it the identits of the common-law father is knowa.

3. Birth Certificates - Ictually three copies of Marina's

birth cortiticates are furnished. ITE! 5340 is a copy

of her birti certificate issuci on 19 Jilj 1961. in

The oties two bith certificates are con-

rained in liEuS 26e-270. These are notarizea copies of

one of tirese; Tater tol

' requiris

hirth certificates was procuird on 1 aug. 1951 and the

second was obtained on 8 lug. 1951. Too different no-

taiys notarized these two birth certificaies - both ob-

taine in tinsk within a fois day period. ly the hand-

Come 1oc9n6 Fallel rout thie

is wet: serbidleates - ply the notary siguatures

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as to aristo as her sisars patroaynic..

bl That sapponed to the original of ber birth

rertificate which ste mist hars had in order to

enter prina:s school, pharracy school, and is 8e:

her pissport when she reached the ajo of 16 -in

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c) ¡joy diù she request i second copy, maried

PResTORA", of her birth certificace ITE 834)

d) ITHY 7370 w15 issurd in Arkhangelst about = 1000

silnmeters fror minsk. Did she travel there perso-

nally to apply for her hirth certifirate Did she

sTIle ter l1" Tas is innd lo her throuch the nail or did

she pies i: un at the linst ailitia headquarters.

dizat reasoa did she give tire ARKHAiGElSE militia

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autao: tirs foi reposting the second cony di her

birth curtificaie. toy us she appijing for this

vista sertificate on 19 July 1061. 44::%26.

e) The ITEM 5310 birth certilicate is supposed to be

an exact duplicate of the birth certificate issued

after her birth. This normally is issued several

days after birth becausy parents do not usually rush down

to register the birth of a child on the day of the birth -

not even in the USSr. ITS! 340 shows that lARINg's

birth mas registered on 11 Aug. 1911 and that she

cops, of this certificate on 19 July 1961. For sone

reason the 9 in 19 July 1951, 15 marked over and is

en nh510115 chanto of the figure a 1o 1 9 in tho

Tallowing 0.891. An esan nation of the original

R! 101-111--11 0-011-

berate change.

such a change could onlj be signifi-

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ian: In it is noi a bone-ride torumest, actually

leesoual docinent cousciog

Soviets mould note such an obvious chango. Certainly

if she applied for the two nolarized copies of ber

berli certificate usiag iren 4310 as a basis Pur

thesi new copirs sie rould be closelj questioned

and it 1s more than likely that notarized copies

would not be issuri on a maried over original.

NOw

it nigh: he possible that the flist notary would

nol hars. noticed the rarisra over. original.. Fovever,.

nina notarisod birth irrelllcate uns Insuce in

Minsk ly still another nueary.

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indi antice pus cancolled. Ore laie! rettinalion

10: tuss might do that the carcollation is made

mirn 'arina infornou the cozissariat or tai

miriage. But dirs. Ostia should le asiad aucut.

thee, ind lie. ansver shunit de sored carefaily.

els ra10:% of thi; dururers sheirs that as noted

alcon. is ina was rexist..res in Minsk in Frinzen-

stig ingon on 13 october 1959, thence she was de-

ral:red in luninsg Pagon. Nothere in tarina's

the ful': intrviews

aí daiina or any other official ragers delorging

so custod roario allied roguard Clare elable-los.

there is said discuss.on of the charre

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ormuri-d almost is soon as the rigidi's left.

ira. Coal! must he asica anout thie rove in detail.

Taj ill to, nove ind vere the exart addresses?

who ders ineir neigitois: and so bi. this ..ov

• mil ta: snip inierostite, not torruse it sis

in irs. issield's lestin

•nonj lil sere; slie ias priered little retailed

asserage o! any part of her life), dut bacuare

¿: brad: ilore In the airlin rot she parior in

1.Do decorallo; sie trends diary for elpe garrined.

15 July 10 1l' dirust, the Psilo'S Eaged that they

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coming lur join di birth, it is prutasie

it:: soreone other than marina filind in tin infor-

in remind fro this recent: lion. sitin?

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marina's cortificate rudrice the dale ugon

ropor lotter lali tu fili ln the abnre-mortiorad

infer millen, cir ampairitly riariing lo provide it?

*. lllicnio of vociination int dure, issued

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say it 100l. This date des not corespont

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a cotiliate no coaccication lIor sorina, issued by

can linch detace desigantion uncitar 10 100y) Soly-

clinic ro.u, li say 196d. daair, Case Paragraph

•*: tipia), tie date die dot corregion: reactly

Marine's Interntional Citificato.

Here also it

1o saliholy that an official certitying i cuccina-

tinn given li iomeone piss at an aalliar date

sandü have mistien tir dute as given on the gri-

sial coittionte. Thes if the certifiin, ship's

Megal in merely accepter the OSiAlD's word iss the

dar: or the vaicinations, my did be nut so indicate

ka ine international Certiftcates: lion. dus it hap-

per that ho alin incepted their mord for farina's

revierination, du a second (16 "lay) date! ib; o

"wls die given : second dietri Surely evon if the

mari mu compli shed on the

she day. Then, thy did

Tirina int reture to bre former place of caployment

honesterling tuat, ricording io tie

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lomiig ieinndlinng lü tie nateital di tani. darina

illu pel th Clill Cild hir Miliett ie"triod

wll. gr lo lrla motloo G lir Mith

wnec soseid lon tise llor ih narriage?

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dia mee thea retira to lirg tith urt mothir and step-

falhoi tron chose decision did shn mir th chapgei

ji wien end alj -e ininie darind ist to. live with.

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d..pi:ri!

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i"hal crcasloned tie jamilj's core tu icningrad.

boi tr.•g'g rlufatler triwdteiredi tr uli lz chante

€..1209601: 1 io gai Graisiertod Ee, Lanliiri:el 25

mitl it

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vl .eel cölllel diel e at 101. dl0n, Girordlse

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ci loscilly to coiltidr with tee Graldioid diat

mio manei dien diriog le" sutidi joar ia ire Fharnacj

wl14an.

Mnini nas giatrd hal she Mootod ni di Coatral

de: ttora du Hrailu Mbegtil Mrior ies las: yoar

•u.rnhool.. Laroe shat ciccuistance: aid sie ro to

zord theret "hat vere ber desles? ioo land do nuch;

195 le pall hon thio Wrk: That slbn doialls (nares

di ieiirisors feiliy curinosi ddil i oi iorli, ote)

caa .e Datlde airal this obo t!ey mes this job

191. 1:34.00)

1i that trpe Cofficial riesigraltar) ol pension dia

Marina and tre other chiidron recrjra. is vion (to

the itflfren direefly, ne to dhe seritaitierl dis

her jer as iot

ftl:

Hoü dis If rere:iedd: Tiat was

t'n iosound of die imaston:

(si Marina said she toon hur roali arig tron home.

10y siw steo able tu do thils That mas Her

lo'ia! inorne:"

Moal 111l 199r in1 Mislilfe Mo Durdl Allnd Doir

firal ini afles aranualscis chae made lor quit after

: "!: va::

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toaid ni.. pre i0 appea: for worl at the place to

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l: tor too to nave quit Coi grie di saintlo: 50

costli. tilat, she 10ul0 lair bee: in trouble inse-

millio mith tir Trasonds and der trade iniore.

joent sto has sad that sie sgent little lira in

Man ha'

anital; sich to irone - in nai did no rare pensions,

ellas iron second or mirrarent. Then. her sas she

all: i do this.

il6:). why dil sarina fo to tori: in lizin sue has

said dial ate lad me! an ant and unele lllies.150y -

•Hop rhod's brother ail lus alfe. Marina ins sald

nothir, more in sleie interviens airit the isloy's.

when sin above mentioneliir. der autobiograiny sce

alices don, 1911 d0oe98 ider talless fin this case,

1h 99-581218

sild le addressed in juse that may --

she: dia: lee's connection sii! the pFl:lil'5os

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eran tho ries ter super-

v•iC:

in the marminutical varchouse. - and for giving

sili: ingle anssers to some questions regarding 1er

laistreed and hor lift with lee aust en ascertaintd.

io aliitile ain comuuct in those

interreus chri-

ousi: si ocher than that suich can progerly ie espec-

tal ut the norson ste repirschis icibeli to be. Ner

testinoy regarding de! siil lise in Lenigind and

tirs:

lor da marrage is mesi suspi":ous. Her siaie-

1:1; dogardare tue allillio ni her and aii uncle --

2u 0D colonni 0i liruterant colonsi - to lee and

Io ter mariago do da aurican, taien as part of her.

strej di tein: "gust a ilain ordina; fir! in love".

1001081 084001 088h15

strange.

continatin di rriural 8o bire namos and eutright do -

parru:" from the realitro; ci soviet lifo is to be

10:089

deot

•ne grat at thiese naanes anl icll al returning

titi in ofi scor poses no aujration in ber later

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she surall to giestlored tacier about

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1ion tre thaaste has told melude ill terson for

desay 0yarad in dirst, tathe: soan "OSCy

and

•de reason for th: dilleroere hotice: luca high pas for

1: 15

to th lalier. cre. Gil iin s:4j 1ens0 Jas just as

Lee hiiali presculed li: in received a sulaid, frart

tenan the Rod cross to mid no oth-; corsicerations

to to rade, certainly latine mould hare kirin of this.

and. mies; there vere soughing sensitate abbit the

is, Pes. destimosy Mould indicate Mhe 19nws lirale

•: 8:1) "hy does it seen sh also tears su litile of

ber bebond's rature? or Marine remarinel tliat.... he did.

somire that dia ordinary law-on-lie-strick imerican.

scists aul discisi politics lo i noticeable exteut. Eut

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ll defend trics

le rusalla 191l1a0 1nu diers to

c:0lcn Clo GizensHip and G0 10 166: 1658! 110w

to

te castro, ramilets on sirect corners;

And is assesstnue ine President of Sir. iS? And

hey at such nor, asially, host curstanding for their

coifeiation, are able to seep notiendly silent on

political subjects even terore their dives, bile

spenling tus or three years in their "nolitica!

hirdlart'

harina mist to tuestioned close!" alout

these things, just as she miit be questioued cinsely

in orde: to identifs these other assrdiates" vita

Whim ICe OSTALD di not discusss miitici.

(10) 159. OStiD mus! le asied abou: hor trip to

hilaRing of which me would inun nothing srir lt not

for the saall colinction ol tretors oritten to her

dur int ter stay licro. thy did she male no mention

of tils 1aal, jol tall freely of her vacation trips

to Ioniorad, etc: That sas dha purpose of the trip?

Dial olior details, (desati, place asi residence, ote.)

13. is ba10d. ins indicated lu lie Insegoina, in fis lie

belied of i: undersiged, based on the nateritis nade

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-BIBB ONLY

at f-1.

15 November 1968

HEUORANDUS OF TRANSHITTAL

• TO

:Chlo?, 3B/CI/&

ITES : MIDONOR Interrogation Transcripts

1..

Subaitted hereulth, as roquested, are AEDIPPER/20's verbatio

transcripts (15; English-languago) of his interrogation of NaDorOs,

26 July-13 August 1955; the first five (5) of these transcripts are.

accompanled by the correspondlng verbatin Russian-language transcripts

(Russian-languago transcripts for Rools #s 6 and 7 are ready for

typing, 1f ragulred); an index to the nanes mentioned in all of the

transcripts also 13 subaltted. Further, the original Englishlanguago

transcripts (15), with corrections, aro being returned to Headquarters

with this meno;

the fifteen (15) corresponding tapo recordings already

have boen

returned.

2. Tith rogard to the renalnder of the original Headquarters

request, It has been agreed that ARDIPPER/20's transcripts are soli-

explanatory at nost points and that his background commontg on the

course and content of the interrogation "ill be reservad, to be

addressad to any future speclile questions and reguirements generated

In Headquartors reylen of those transcripts.

3. It should be noted hero, hoverer - 1n vien of part thres (3)

of leadquerters' request = that AEDIPPIR/20 did not use faise of

unfounded statements for any reason in any of the interrogation.

sessions; It la bellered possible that ideas to the contrary may

have arisen during revlot of the origloal transcripts, mich included.

zasy instances of laproper Interprotation of the Bussian "double

negative". Revlewing the interrogation, ASDIPPIR/20 noted only tro (2)

polnts at which he did not have a basis in detalled personal knowledgo

(to 1954) or specific documents for statements nade to Astoo?:

8. IRPs (Morakoy Bazvedyvatol'byy Punkt i Navy Intolligence

Polat) → AEDIPPER/20 statod that at the time ASDOOR was assigned to

duty with an suP on the Baltic other llps also vere in operation la.

that area; In fact, although ARDIPPER/20 knows that other uRpe vero

In operation thero, he has no knouledge of their spectfic. designations

locations or dates of operation:

APPROVED FOR RELEASE 1994

CIA HISTORICAL REVIEW PROGRAM

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SHERIT

3I89071

- 2.0

b. Lottor on KRICLOy's Renoval — ANDIPPII/20's statement

that a lottor explainiag XRUGLOVa renoval had been circulated within

Stato Security tas basod upon personal knowledge, not of the fact

-33.

Itsoll, but of the State Security practice always of circulating such

lotters following the renoval of other State Sacurlty, chiefs, such as

ABAKUMOV and BARIYA.

1. AEDIPPER/20'g English-language transcripts employ the

following key (not repeatod in tbe transcripts):

a. A — ARDIPPER/20;

b. В - ANDONOR;

c. C - T. I. BAGSY (10 the transcript of Bool # 15 only); i

d. () — 31nglo sets of parentheses enclose transliteration

or, 1n case of

•. (2G), (8G), (X1) - Indicate a number of ulsaing or garbled

or otheruiso "unroadable" words;

1. (8)) — Double sets of parentheses enclose transcriber/

translator remarks, explanations, otc., In addition to/not part of

Interrogation content;

B. (??) - Queried transcriptions are thus indicated;

h. .... — Ellipses Indicate either a brief pause in speech

os an unfinished sentence, not citted or "unreadable" phrases;

1. _— Underines, except la cases of boats and perlodical

titles, Indicate enphasis in speech.

5. As noted, the ASDIPPSN/20 transcripts are verbatin transeripts;

horever, there has been sone "anelloration" of the few obscenities

found tberein.

8B/CI/P

Attachments

¿ por para 1

Distribution:

Orlg & 1 = Addressee.

1. • AEDIPPER/2O

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