NOTES FROM MEETING W/ARRB STAFF SEPT. 11, 1995 (WORKING PAPER)
Originator: CIA
Document date: 09/11/1995
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September 11, 1995

WORKING PAPER

Notes from meeting w/ ARRB staff Sept. 11, 1995

ARRB Attendees: Marwell, Gunn, Mary + one

CIA Attendees

: Barry,

Bllie

Isgue:

Inconsistency between Mexico City Chrono item

#132 and ARRB document #31

Gunn proposed that the Agency release the information in

document 31 that was released by mistake in the Mexico City

Chrono.

Otherwise, the staff would have to take the

document back to the ARRB for reconsideration which they.

felt would undercut the credibility of the CIA and the

staff.

The Board will not uphold a postponement in a

specific document if that information is released by mistake

in another copy of the same document.

Ellie's response - because the information deals with Mex.

Liaison, she will have to take their proposal to a higher

level. [response needed by 16 September]

They also requested a "new" highlighted version of the

Mexico City Chrono which reflects all information released

to NARA in the multiple copies of the Chrono and in the

documents referenced in the Chrono.

Issue:

The three documents of concern.

GIBSON - Ellie reviewed the Gibson issues--the fact that he

had denied in court his affiliation with the CIA, etc: I

"noted that since the document would not be included in the

determination list would the Board be willing to reconsider.

Marwell said that we could make an addition pitch to the

Board to reconsider, but he did not think it would have any

jeffect on their decision.

PROENZA - Ellie explained that out goal here was to protect

the "asset" not the method and that the deletions could be

reduced to those words that could result in the

identification of the agent.

Marwell said that the Board may reconsider based on the need

to protect a source.

Mary ask who was the asset? Was it LIRING?

Ellie said she did not know (it could have been some "AM"

source.

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Mary ask for more information on LIRING.

the Board

paragraph dealt with Oswald, voted to release. Mary said is

was hard to defend the individual released since she did not

have any information on the person.

We pointed out that the this release impacted on other

documents which dealt with private line taps plus the Board

had not limited its release to the paragraph that mentioned

Oswald but released the name in other calls which had

nothing to do with Oswald.

Marwell said the Board may re-look at the document as part

of looking at similar documents.

The issue of the taps on other Bloc embassies came up.

said the Board was inclined to release given the end of the

Cold War.

(Note: we will locate as many of the "private line tap"

documents we can for special review]

Issue:

Removing the Proenza and Private line tap

documents form the formal notification list

Marwell clearly prefers not to do it at this time (said they

would discuss) .

Has no problem with asking the Board to

reconsider or giving us the opportunity to presence

additional evidence since their next meeting was within the

30 days set by the law, but felt that the Board was not

inclined to keep tabling documents that they had reached a

decision on.

Marwell asked if the Agency plans to "appeal"; he would like

a heads-up.

Later, in private. Marwell said that he wanted to build into

the process a loop that would handle these types of

situations.

Issue:

Presentation to Board at Sept. 20/21 meeting

It was agreed that "STATIONS" would be the focus of the

presentation -- 10:00 am, 20 Sept., one hour.

Marwell recommended providing evidence of bilateral

agreements as well as identifying current harm. Said that

the Board was leaning strongly toward releasing stations.

Mary pointed out that there were still issues on the Mexico

City station window.

There are documents from the 50s,

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references in summaries to the founding of the station and.

most important, the visit by the HSCA to Mexico City.

Ellie said there was the possibility of opening windows of

stations when Oswald was present, however, this was a key.

issue for the Agency and a senior Directorate/Agency

decision. She indicated that the Do would oppose expanding

the Mexico City window into the 70g.

As for the older documents, we pointed out that we had

already agreed to the release of those documents.

Marwell suggest that the 20 Sept. presentation would be a

good opportunity to address the Private Line and other Tel

Taps issue rather than requesting a separate meeting'"

After the meeting Marwell elaborated on the presentation..

He said to

try a avoid going over old ground (US-Mexico

relationship; when possible provide specific/hard evidence

(bilateral agreements carry weight); war-stories did not go

over well and neither did Bill McNair. He emphasized the

importance of using the language of the law.

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