CABLE:FOLLOWING IS RAPID BUT PRECISE TRANSLATION OF TRANSCRIPT OF CONVERSATION IN SPANISH BETWEEN PRES DORTICOS FROM HAVANA AND AMB JOAQUIN HERNANDEZ ARMAS IN MEXICO ABOUT SILVIA DURAN, MONEY, VISA, INTERROGATION, OSWALD
Agency: CIA
Originator: CIA
From: DIRECTOR
To: MEXICO CITY
Document date: 11/26/1963
Document type: PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

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FROM : MEXICO CITY

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TITLE

: CABLE: FOLLOWING IS RAPID BUT PRECISE TRANSLATION OF

TRANSCRIPT OF CONVERSATION IN SPANISH BETWEEN PRES

DORTICOS FROM HAVANA AND AMB JOAQUIN HERNANDEZ ARMAS

IN MEXICO ABOUT SILVIA DURAN, MONEY, VISA,

INTERROGATION, OSWALD

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SUBJECTS : DURAN, SILVIA

DORTICOS-HERNAN

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER

CLASSIFICATION : SECRET

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DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 07/19/93

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1. FOLLOWING IS EXE

ST TRANSLATION OF A IAANSCRIPT OF A

CONVERSATION IN SPANISH BETWEEN PRESIDENT DORTICOS FROM

HABANA AND AMBASSADOR JOAQUIN HERNANDEZ ARMAS IN MEXICO

AT 0924 HRS (MEXICO CITY TIME) ON 26 NOVEMBER.

2. SOURCE IS LIENVOY.

3. LITENSOR ALSO HAS SPANISH COPY.

4. PLEASE NOTE DORTICOS PREOCCUPATION OVER QUESTION OF

MONEY.

5. TAPE BEING RETAINED.

6. FOLLOWING IS CONVERSATION:

(Commo copy attacheu).

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HERNANDEZ ARMAS: "LISTEN, I HAVE YOUR CONFIDENTIAL (REPORT)

125, ABOUT THE SRA. DURAN CASE AND I WANI IO ASK YOU FOR SOME

DECLARATIONS ON THIS, YOU CAN TELL ME IN DETAIL." HE ADDS

"LISTEN... THAT'S TRUE...OF BLACKMAIL, WHAT YOU SAY HERE IN THE

CONFIDENTIAL (REPORT), THE FEDERALS OF THAT COUNTRY WANTED

SRA. SILVIA DURAN TO SAY SOMETHING, THAT THEY HAD SOME INTEREST

IN, AND HAD OFFERED SOME MONEY TO THE AMERICAN? (OSWALD).

HERNANDEZ ARMAS REPLIED THAT "NO, NO, NOTHING ABOUT MONEY,

NO. " DORTICOS CONTINUED SPEAKING, "AND THEY TRIED TO DETAIN

HER, TO OBLIGE HER TO MAKE A STATEMENT." HERNANDEZ SAYS THAT

"SHE WAS DETAINED, AND WAS JUESTIONED WITH RESPECT TO THIS

VISIT AND THE REQUEST FOR A VISA, AND THEN SHE SAID THAT SHE HAD

REQUESTED THE VISA, HAD FILLED OUT THE DOCUMENTS AND THE

REPLY OF OUR GOVERNMENT HAD BEEN NEGATIVE, NOT GRANTING THE

VISA." DORTICOS ASKED IF "YOU SPOKE WITH HER." HERNANDEZ

SAID THAT YES, "I COULD TALK TO HER YESTERDAY AND I IMMEDIATELY

SENT THE REPORT." DORISCORINAUNDERSTAND? IF ALL THIS IS TRUE,

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BETTER THAT IT BE KNOWN; IF SHE IS BEING DETAINED BY THOSE

PEOPLE, BETTER TOO." HERNANDEZ: I WAS SAYING THAT SHE WAS

DETAINED SATURDAY AFTERNOON, AND FREED IN THE EARLY

MORNING, AND YESTERDAY WAS WHEN I FOUND HER AND COULD TALK

WITH HER, SHE REFERRED ME (? ME REFIRIO) AND I TOOK ADVANTAGE

OF THE FACT THAI A PLANE WAS ABOUT TO LEAVE WITH OUR MAIL.

DORTICOS: YES, YES, YOU SENT THAT, I ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU

SENT... DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? THAT THE PAPER THAT I

HAVE HERE, AND DON'T TELL ME THAI THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED?

HERNANDEZ: WHAT I HAVE JUST TOLD YOU BESIDES THE INTERROGATION.

DORTICOS: WHAT WAS IT THAT THEY ASKED YOU? HERNANDEZ: THEY

ASKED HER CONCRETELY ABOUT WHETHER SHE KNEW THIS INDIVIDUAL;

IF SHE HAD GONE TO THE CONSULATE; IF SHE HAD PERSONAL RELATIONS

AND EVEN IF SHE HAD INTIMATE RELATIONS WITH HIM.. SHE DENIED

ALL THAT, ONLY... DORTICOS: INTIMATE RELATIONS WITH HIM?

HERNANDEZ: YES; SHE DENIED ALL THAT AND SAID THAT IT WAS A

CASE LIKE ANY OTHER; OF THE MANY OF THE HUNDREDS OF CASES

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THAT COME TO REQUEST VISAS AT THE CONSULATE, AND IF SHE

REMEMBERED IN DETAIL OF THIS CASE IT WAS BECAUSE THIS MAN HAD

AN INCIDENT WITH OUR CONSUL..: HE HAD AN INCIDENT IN WHICH OUR

CONSUL AZCUE REBUKED HIM AND PRACTICALLY THREW HIM OUT OF

THE CONSULATE, DORTICOS: AND WHY DOES SHE HAVE BRUISES

(HEMATOMAS)? DID THEY TREAT HER BADLY? HERNANDEZ: WELL,

YES, YES. DORTICOS: WHAT DID THEY DO TO HER? HERNANDEZ: SHE

HAS A FEW BRUISES ON THE ARMS BECAUSE SHE SAYS THEY SQUEEZED

HER ARMS DURING THE INTERROGATION. DORTICOS: WHAT WAS IT...

HAS SHE TOLD YOU ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE. HERNANDEZ: IN THIS

WAY, PRESIDENTE. THEY WENT TO HER HOUSE AND TOOK HER TO THE

STATION, IO THE OFFICE OF FEDERAL POLICE AND INTERROGATED

HER TO THE EXTREME I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT. DORTICOS: AND

THE MALTREATMENT, HOW WAS IT? HERNANDEZ: AT THE TIME OF

INTERROGATION, TRYING TO IMPRESS HER SO THAI-SHE WOULD TELL

ALL SHE HAD TO SAY, WHAT SHE KNEW AND THAT WAS WHEN THEY TOOK

HER BY THE ARMS AND SHOOK HER. DORTICOS: LISTEN, JOAQUIN AND

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DID THEY ASK HER SOME OTHER QUESTION ABOUT MONEY? HERNANDEZ: X

NO, NO ABSOLUTELY, IT SEEMS... DORTICOS: DID THEY TRY TO GET A

STATEMENT FROM HER? HERNANDEZ: NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY FROM

WHAT SHE TOLD ME THEY LIMITED THEMSELVES PRINCIPALLY TO IRY

TO FIND OUT WHAT RELATIONS SHE HAD HAD AND HER HUSBAND WITH

THIS INDIVIDUAL. DORIICOS: AND THEY SPOKE OF MONEY? HERNANDEZ: *

NO, NO, SHE HAS NOT TOLD ME ANYTHING ABOUT MONEY, THEY DID

NOI TALK TOHER ABOUI THAT, THAT IS, SHE HAS NOI TOLD ME THAT

THEY SPOKE TO HER ABOUT THAT. DORTICOS: MIRABAL SAID TO A

FRIEND SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. HERNANDEZ: EEH? WELL, I ASKED

HER IF THERE HAD BEEN SOME INTEREST, IF THEY HAD QUESTIONED

HER ON OTHER POINTS, IF THERE HAD BEEN SOMETHING ELSE, AND

SHE DID NOT SPEAK ABOUT THAT. DORTICOS: AT ANYRATE, QUESTION

HER SOME MORE, INVESTIGATE MORE AND CALL ME HERE. HERNANDEZ:

GOOD, PRESIDENTE. I WILL CALL YOU IMMEDIATELY.

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