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22 2 3	11	fraudulent pretenses,
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5 -	18	All in violation of Title 18 U.S. C. §2314 and §2.
1	19	COUNT II
1	20	1. The United States Attorney realleges all of the
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1. Beginning on or about February 1, 1972, and continuing thereafter through or about May 2, 1972, within the Western District of Washington, defendants WILLIAM JOHN LEWIS and DONALD SYLVESTER MURPHY, did willfully and unlaw- fully combine, conspire and agree together and with other unknown persons, to commit offenses against the United States, to wit, to violate Section 2314, Title 18 U.S.C .: by devising a scheme and artifice to defraud Karl Fleming, Newsweek Magazine, and Platypus Publications of money in excess of $5,000, by means of false and fraudulent pretenses, representations and promises and in execution thereof to induce Karl Fleming to travel in and be transported in interstate commerce from Los Angeles, California to Seattle, Washington.
Magazine, and Platypus Publications of money in excess of $5,000, by means of false and fraudulent pretenses, representations and promises and in execution thereof to induce Karl Fleming to travel in and be transported in interstate commerce from Los Angeles, California to Seattle, Washington.
2. It was part of said conspiracy that defendant WILLIAM JOHN LEWIS would contact Karl Fleming and convince him that defendant LEWIS knew the true identity of an alleged aircraft hijacker known as "D. B. Cooper" and that defendant LEWIS could arrange an exclusive interview between Fleming and "D. B. Cooper."
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5. In furtherance of the said conspiracy the defendants performed the following overt acts:
(1) On or about February 1, 1972, defendant WILLIAM JOHN LEWIS telephoned Karl Fleming at Los Angeles, California.
(2) On or about February 13, 1972. defendant WILLIAM JOHN LEWIS made a reservation for Karl Fleming at the Swept Wing Inn, Seattle, Washington.
(3) On or about February 16, 1972, defendant WILLIAM JOHN LEWIS met with Karl Fleming at the Swept Wing Inn, Seattle, Washington.
(4) .On or about February 23, 1972, defendants WILLIAM JOHN LEWIS and DONALD SYLVESTER MURPHY met with
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(5) On or about February 23, 1972, deferdant DONALD SYLVESTER MURPHY, posing as "D. B. Cooper" partici- pated in an interview with Karl Fleming.
· All in violation of Title 18 U.S.C. §371. COUNT IV
1. . The United States Attorney realleges all of the allegations contained in Count I, paragraphs 1 through 7, of this Information.
The United States Attorney realleges all of the allegations contained in Count I, paragraphs 1 through 7, of this Information.
2. On or about February 1, 1972, defendants WILLIAM JOHN LEWIS and. DONALD SYLVESTER. MURPHY transmitted and,
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Cooper Still At Large
These are official FBI sketches of a man who gave his name" as Dan Cooper and hijacked a Northwest Airlines jet en route from Portland to Seattle last Thanksgiving Eve. The hijacker parachuted from the plane with $200,000 in ransom money and signaled the era of the parachuting hijacker. He is still at large and authorities say they have no firm clues to his whereabouts. (AP Wirephoto)
ENCLOSURE 834i
, Team Policing - Four Years Later, $ Lourn ... 'Phelps. Chief of Police, a. Sgt. Lorne Harmon, Police Department, - Richme : d, Calif., December 1972. vol. 41, 5 No. 12. p. 2.
8 POURF &GANZ .. ION
> Centralization of State Law Enforcement ^ Agencies, by Hon. James J. Hegarty, Di- .1 rector, Arizona Department of Public 12.
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> Centralization of State Law Enforcement ^ Agencies, by Hon. James J. Hegarty, Di- .1 rector, Arizona Department of Public 12. Safety, Phoenix, Ariz., May 1972, vol. 41, No. 5, . 6.
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1 3 Radio Communications Department Serves 4 Law Enforcement in North Dakota, by 15 Aldred G. Brose, Director, North Dakota 1 Radio Communications Department, 5 ?
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Bismak. N. Dak., April 1972, vol. 41. No. 4, p. 25.
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0 Consolidating Efforts To Control Drug Abuse. by Ronald D). Kuest, Chief In-
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22 vestigator, Drug Control Assistance Unit, Washington State Patrol, Olympia, Wash : anuary 1972, vol. 41. No. 1, p. 10.
24 FBI Law Enforcement Training Advisory Committee Convenes, November 1972,
5 26 vol. 41, No. 11, p. 14.
¿ Mobile Firing Range. December 1972, vol. >8 41, No. 12, p. 15.
Mock D. aster Training Program, by Wil- 9 liam C. Sampson, Training Officer, Dade 0 1 Count. Public Safety Department, Miami, Fla., January 1972. vol. 41, No. 1. p: 16. 2MODEI - - Mobile On-Duty !. lectronic £ 2 Lean. 's by Capt. John G. Parsons, Po- lice Department, Beaumont, Tex.
2MODEI - - Mobile On-Duty !. lectronic £ 2 Lean. 's by Capt. John G. Parsons, Po- lice Department, Beaumont, Tex., May 1972, 41, No. 5. p. 19.
35 >The Pos . Officer: Primary Target of the O Urban Guerrilla, February 1972, vol. 41. : 7 No. 2 . 21.
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3 Versatile Instruction, by Charles R. Skillen. Director, Montana Law Enforcement Acad. . ". Bozeman. Mont., December 1972. vol. 41, No. 12. p. 21.
4
. 2 Air Disaster Recovery Operations in Remote
1 4 Areas by Hon. Emery W. Chapple, Jr., 5 Commissioner, Alaska Department of 6 Public Safety, Juneau, Alaska, June 1972, vol. 41. No. 6. p. 16.
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Consolidating Efforts To Control Drug 0 Abuse. by Ronald D. Kuest, Chief Inves- tigator, Drug Control Assistance Unit. Washington State Patrol, Olympia. Wash., January 1972, vol. 41, No. I, p. 10.
1 2 The New Mountain Men, by James W. 3 4 Rigney, Ada County Sheriff's Department, Boise, laaho, Jurk. 1972, vol. 41, No. 6, p. 3. 1
December 1972
Police Legal Unit, by Edv. in. D. Heath, Jr., Director of Police, Criminal Justice Interface Division, Police Department, Dallas, Tex.
Heath, Jr., Director of Police, Criminal Justice Interface Division, Police Department, Dallas, Tex., August 1972, vel. 41, No. 8, p. 22.
A Return to Neighborhood Police, by Ed- ward C. McArdle, Chief of Police, and William N. Betjemann, Coordinator, Of- fice of Crime Control, Albany, N.Y., July :972, vol. 41, No. 7, p. 8.
The Special Operations Group. by Capt. William R. Mooney, Police Department. Chicago, Ill., April 1972, vol. 41, No. 4, p. 11.
The Stark County MEG Unit-A Response to Fragmented Law Enforcement, by David D. Dowd, Jr., Stark County Pros- ccuting Attorney, Canton, Ohio, Septem- ber 1972, vol. 41, No. 9, p. 13.
SWAT-The Los Angeles Police Special Weapons and Tactics Teams, by C. N. Beck, Police Department, Los Angeles, Calif., April 1972, vol. 41, No. 4, p. 8:
!" " :. RELATIONS
Attorney General Mitchell Dedicates Los Angeles Police Memorial, March 1972, vol. 41, No. 3, p. 16.
"Friendly Town," by William Brey, Chief of Police, Danville, III .; April 1972, vol. 11. No. 4, p.
"Friendly Town," by William Brey, Chief of Police, Danville, III .; April 1972, vol. 11. No. 4, p. 16.
My Uniformed Parish, by Rev. R. Joseph Dooley. Chaplain, Metropolitan Police. Department, Washington. D.C., October 1972, vol. 41. No. 10, p. 3.
Operation Respect, March 1972, vol. 41, No. 3, p. 18.
A Return to Neighborhood Police, by Ed- ward C. McArdle, Chief of Police, and William N. Betjemann, Coordinator, Of- fice of Crime Control, Albany, N.Y., July 1972, vol. 41, No. 7. p. 8.
"Side-by-Side." by Insp. Claude W. Dove, Director. Community Relations Division, Police Department, Washington, D.C., May 1972, vol. 11, No. 5, p. 16.
"TOP" Program Strengthens Police-Youth Relations, March 1972, vol. 41, No. 3. p. 20.
Youths Form Statewide Law Enforcement Organization, January 1972, vol. 41, No. I, p. 14.
. ENTIFIC JOS
An Analysis of Standards in Fingerprint Identification, June 1972, voi. 41, No. 6. p. 7.
Bomb Scene Investigations and the FBI Laboratory, March 1972, vol. 41. No. 3, p. 30.
41, No. 6. p. 7.
Bomb Scene Investigations and the FBI Laboratory, March 1972, vol. 41. No. 3, p. 30.
Examination of Biological Fluids, June 1972, vol. 41, No. 6, p. 12.
For' HA
dontology " Today "A. "Ne" FEL.esic Science, by Lowel: J. Levi 6, D.D.S., Consultant in Forensic- Dentistry. *Office of Chici Medical Examiner, Now York, N.Y., August 1972, vol. 11, Nr. 6, p. 6.
Laboratory Examinations of Photo-Related Evidence, May 1972, vol. 41, No. 5, p. 10. The Role of the Forensic Pathologist in Ar- son and Related Investigations, by Irvin M. Sopher, M.D., D.D.S., Lieutenant Co- lonel, U.S. Army Medical Corps, Aero- space Pathology Branch, Armed Fo :: c. In-situte of Pathology, Washington, D.( ... September 1972, vol. 41, No. 9, p. 8.
TARMIQUES
Air Disaster Recovery Operations in Re- mote Arcas, by Hon. Emery W. Chapple, Jr., Commissioner, Alaska Department :i Public Safety, Juneau, Alaska, June 1972, : vol .. 41, No. 6, p. 16.
Bloodhounds: A Tool in Law Enforcement, by Leo J. Castle, Special Deputy Sheriff of Camden County, Camden, N.
Bloodhounds: A Tool in Law Enforcement, by Leo J. Castle, Special Deputy Sheriff of Camden County, Camden, N.J., 2. 1972. vol. 41, No. 5, p. 26.
Mock Disaster Training Program, by Wy !. liam C. Sampson. Training Officer, Dade County Public Safety Department. , Miami, Fla., January 1972. vol. 41. No. 1. p. 16.
Policing the Waterfront, by Louis 5. Dent. schmann, Superintendent, fiarbor Pc! : Department, New Oricans. La., Octo : + 19.2. vol. 41, No. 10, p. 18.
A Program for Hit-and-Run Violation.,, by Edward L. Wright. Jr., Chisi of Police. Montgomery. Ala., September 1972, v. 41, No. 9. p. 16.
SWAT -- The Los Angeles Foiite Special Weapons and Tactics Teams, by G. N. Beck, Police Department, Los Angeles. Calif., April 1972, vol. 41, No. 4, p. 8. Televised Banking: Deterrent to Crime. by Lonnie L. Blanchard, Vice President and Cashier, International City Bank se Trust Company, New Orleans, La .. . vember 1972, vol. 41, No. 11. p. 16. Trailers Are Tempting Targets for Thieves. August 1972. vol. 41, No.
vember 1972, vol. 41, No. 11. p. 16. Trailers Are Tempting Targets for Thieves. August 1972. vol. 41, No. S. p. 10.
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The Police Role in Alcohol-Related Traf- fic Offense-, hy Gerald W. Carher, P ..... lic Safety Technician, Police Department. Victoria, Trx., February 1972, vol. al. No. 2. p. 9.
A Program for Hit-and-Run Violations, by Edward L. Wright, Jr., Chief of Police, Montgomery, Ala., September 1972, r .?. 41, No. 9, p. 16.
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Can You identify This Hijacker?
The Crime
A lone white male using the name Dan Cooper boarded Northwest Orient Airlines Flight No. 305 at Portland, Oreg., on November 24, 1971. At approximately 3:22 p.m., while the flight was en route to Seat- tie. Wash., he indicated to a stew- ar. ess that his briefcase contained a bomb which would blow up the plane unless his demands were met.
The hijacker demanded $200,000 and four parachutes in exchange for the safety of the 36 passengers aboard the plane.
The hijacker demanded $200,000 and four parachutes in exchange for the safety of the 36 passengers aboard the plane. When the aircraft landed at Seattle, Northwest Orient Airlines complied with his instruc- tie .s. After he received the parachutes and money, the hijacker allowed all passengers and two of the airline stewardesses to deplane.
He then ordered the remaining crew members into the first-class section of the aircraft and informned them he desired to fly to Mexico City. The hi- jacker instructed that the plane pro- ceed in a southerly direction and fly at a low altitude and slow speed which en- abled the rear door of the plane to be opened during the flight.
The hijacker apparently bailed out somewhere between Seattle and Reno, Nev., where, when the plane landed, it was determined that "Cooper," two parachutes, and the ransom money had disappeared.
The Criminal
Artist conception drawings of the aircraft hijacker were prepared by the FBI Exhibits Section and are con- sidered an excellent likeness.
The Criminal
Artist conception drawings of the aircraft hijacker were prepared by the FBI Exhibits Section and are con- sidered an excellent likeness. He is described as follows :
Racc White.
Sex Male.
Age
Middle 40's.
Height 5 feet 10 inches to 6 rect.
Wright. Fu to 180 pounds.
Complexion Olive, Latin appear. ance, incdiam smooth. Dark brown or black, Hair parted on left, combed hack .. Eyes Possibly brown. Dur- ing latter part of flight he put on dark, wrap around sunglasses with dark rims. Voicc. Low, spoke intelli- gently, no particu-
lar accent, possui from the Midwest section of United States Characteristics Heavy -moler Raleig !: filter-up
Wearing apparel ___
cigarettes. Black or brown sun narrow black tid black dress suit black rain-type overcoat or dark topcoat; dark britt case . or attache case; carried paper bag-4 by 12
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by 14 inches brown shocs. Very polite at times.
Notification
Anyone having any information knowledge believed to refer if this dividual, please notify the Acting rector of the Fedes! Bureco of In vestigation, Washington, D.
Notification
Anyone having any information knowledge believed to refer if this dividual, please notify the Acting rector of the Fedes! Bureco of In vestigation, Washington, D.C. 20535 or the Special Agent in Charge of the nearest FBI Geld office, the telephone number of which appears on the first page of most local telephone tories. '
"FINDER" BEGINS OPERATION
A prototype automatic fingerprint reader system, known as "Fle DERE which utilizes advanced optical scans ning techniques and a computer automatically classify, search, and con.pare fingerprints, is now in opera tion in the Identification Division o the FBI. The equipment will permit the FBI to test, evaluate, and perfect on the job its theories of automatic fingerprint identification which, when fully operational, will insure great increased operating efficiency sultant economies to the Government.
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FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin
U. S. GOVERNMENT PREITING GITICE : 1972 O : 479-406
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GOVERNMENT PREITING GITICE : 1972 O : 479-406
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On the storm-blown Thanksgiving Eve of November
part, it came completely by accident. The Flag bas spent considerable effort verifying the interview -- we bave yet to find a flaw. With the missing 20 dollar bill which the ANON: Didn't your family get suspicious? COOPER: I don't have a family
Oh yes, and I also put the torch to an annual report from Northwest Airlines with an adorable picture of Donald W. Nyrop in it.
COOPER: I don't have a family
Oh yes, and I also put the torch to an annual report from Northwest Airlines with an adorable picture of Donald W. Nyrop in it. He's their president.
24, 19 man "calling : bimself .D.B. Cooper 4
parachuand out of the belly of a Northwest Orient
Airlines y jetliner somewhere between"Seattle and Reno. Stepped to his waist was a packet stuffed with
10,000 twenty-dollar bills, the ransom be had received
Interviewer supplied, we must conclude that what you are about to read is the only authentic interview with
D.B. Cooper in existence.
ANON: What about your friends
ConDER. I don't how friends"On the storm-blown Thanksgiving Eve of November 24:197lmam calling .; bimself "D.B.' Cooper' parachuted fout; of the belly of a Northwest Orient Airlines 727 jetliner somewhere between . Seattle and Reno, Strapped to bis waist was a packet stuffed with 10,000, twenty-dollar bills, the ransom be bad received while bolding the plane's crew bostage at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.
Since then she: FBI, assisted by state and county sen and by battalions of Gls from Fort Lewis bave spent - countless" bours" and many "
Since then she: FBI, assisted by state and county sen and by battalions of Gls from Fort Lewis bave spent - countless" bours" and many " thousands of taxpayers'dollars trying to find Cooper.
But Cooper-the name the bijacker used at Portland when . boarding .. Flight : 'No. 305, Northwest's transcontinental "milk run" which emanated at National Airport in Washington, D.C .- bas evaded bis would-be captors with the same, style and elan be exbibited in pulling the most bizarre caper in the history of aerial piracy.
Godded by public adoration of the skyjacker, and rankled almost to tears by such Coopermaniacal items as ballads ("D.B. Cooper; Where Are You Now"), 'D.B. Cooper sweatshirts, and even memorial bikini panties, the Seattle office of the FBI bas sworn to scour every inch of terrain between - Sea-Tac and Reno to track down their man. At this writing it looks very much as if Mr. Hoover's minions may have to do exactly that.
e media bas been just as eager for clues to Cooper's whereabouts, bis true identity, bis motives.
Hoover's minions may have to do exactly that.
e media bas been just as eager for clues to Cooper's whereabouts, bis true identity, bis motives. Locally, the P-l'offered a $5,000 reward under their Secret Witness crime fighter series. The Seattle Times, while gently cbiding editorially those who would adulate Cooper, bas pretty much kept its button-down cool about the whole thing.
Now, into this lacuna-filled tangle of pop beroism, electronic legend and FBI fumbling, steps the Seattle Flag with an authentic, first-person, totally exclusive interview with D.B. Cooper bimself.
Elsewhere in this issue we bave explained something 'about bow that worldwide scoop was obtained, and the lengebs to which the Flag is prepared to go to protect the anonymity of "D.B. Cooper". In no way do we eitber condone or condemn Cooper's crime; our task is to simply report the news, from any viable source.
All we promised, in return for this interview, was that we would under no circumstances- including grand jury
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party it came completely by accidente The Flag bas spent considerable effort verifying the
All we promised, in return for this interview, was that we would under no circumstances- including grand jury
1972 Seattle Flag: all rights reserved
party it came completely by accidente The Flag bas spent considerable effort verifying the interview" we have yes to find a flaw. With the missing, 20 dollar bill wbich the interviewer supplied,"we must conclude that what you are about to read is the only authentic interview with D.B. Cooper in existence. Let us begin.
ANONYMOUS INTERVIEWER; The pictures in the paper don't do you justice.
COOPER: My sentiments exactly. It's funny : what eyewitnesses don't see. They were fifteen pounds and two inches off. And that artist's picture stunk. If I were a vain man, I'd sue him for libel. But I've got, no reason to complain ...
ANON: Why are you here, of all places? COOPER: Why not?
ANON: Well, the papers say you're in Mexico, or South America.
COOPER; And that's where the authorities are looking, right ?. You don't escape just by crossing borders; look at James Earl Ray. The trick is not to be where they think you'll be. For instance, they didn't expect anyone to hijack a plane in the Northwest, and they didn't expect a parachutist, and .
For instance, they didn't expect anyone to hijack a plane in the Northwest, and they didn't expect a parachutist, and ... well, I'm sure . you catch my drift. I'm not in Mexico or South America. yet, so don't believe everything you read in the papers.
ANON: How long did it take you to plan the skyjacking?
. COOPER: A year, six months. I had the notion for a. long time, but I' didn't start the ground work until June. Something happened which made me think it was time. to do it.
ANON: What was that?
COOPER: Skip it. It would take too long to explain. ANON: Tell us how you got the idea.
COOPER: It came to me while I was watching TV. Hijackers before me had always been first class fools. Can you imagine anything more stupid than risking the death penalty because you want to go to Cuba right now. Hell, you want to go to Cuba, charter a boat, or go to Mexico. Their airline isn't so bad.
These guys who get so worked up about politics are sick.
Me. I wanted"money" Dning it for money"de enme
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I wanted"money" Dning it for money"de enme
" Oh yen and I'also put the torch to an conun report from. Northwest Airlines ) with An adorable / picture of Donald W. Nyrop in it He's their president.
ANONI; Didn't your family get suspicious? COOPER: I don't have a family ANON: What about your friends?
COOPER( I don't have friends.
ANON: What I've been dying to ask you byme; felt like to step off the back stairs of a monstrou 27 going 200 MPH?
COOPER: Scarey
ANON: Just Scarey COOPER( No, VERY carey, Also cold, dark and windy.
ANON: Can you give us some more details? COOPER: I just did
ANON: Tomcan, uh, more step by step description.
COOPER: Well, , you know, once I activated the stairs and the back door it was fucking cold, Below zero, I think I read. I had prepared myself as much as you can with gloves and long johns, but there'sa limit to how much protection you can bring along on a business flight from Portland to Seattle, (laughing) It would have been a bit suspicious if I had come aboard in :heavy boots, with Eddie Bauer sub-artic gear and a sports chute, would have had quite a time
there'sa limit to how much protection you can bring along on a business flight from Portland to Seattle, (laughing) It would have been a bit suspicious if I had come aboard in :heavy boots, with Eddie Bauer sub-artic gear and a sports chute, would have had quite a time fitting into 15D
ANON: 1 guess so, but did you, back on the subject jump immediately after you opened the door.
COOPER: Hell, no. That would have been very dead giveaway. I had, to wait until I was over my touchdown area. This is where the FBI screwed up.
At the "appropriate" time I went back past all those empty seats to the stairs, Christ, it was noisy. Next time I'll have something better than kleenex for ear. plugs .. ] tried to walk down all the stairs. About the tenth step, think it was, I stepped off, It was all wind and. gravity after that.
ANON: Were you aware that planes were following the Northwest 727?
. COOPER: Yes, I couldn't see them in the plane or during my. fall, but there is NO way I could miss hearing them once I bailed out. Knowing how close McChord is to Sea-Tac, I would have had to be awfully stupid not to figure, on having company as we flew south down Vector 23. It was a calculated risk.
Knowing how close McChord is to Sea-Tac, I would have had to be awfully stupid not to figure, on having company as we flew south down Vector 23. It was a calculated risk. That is why I jumped in bad weather and at night " And I cannner I suoited ince'a littleCOOPER"I donc wir te dire on vor at your los ! Efent Zimbalt" but theyeste fromrwit ched beder much in the brains department as they do in the money. departmenty's I'd be in jail right now instead of talking to you. While we're on the subject, I wish somebody!
would ask that Milnes character just how much money he's spending to chase my ass. I bet it's a pretty penny. over $200,000.
ANON: How do you know his name ??
COOPER( I"read the papers just like everyone else. Afterall, I'M in them,
ANON: Can you tell us what the first thing you did
nding?
COOPER: Sure. I buried my chute,
ANON: Were you in wooded terrain?
COOPER: Yep, an evergreen jungle,
ANON: How far were you from where you wanted to be?
COOPER: In the neighborhood of five miles. Not too shabby for a first try.'
ANON: How did you get so close?
COOPER: In the neighborhood of five miles. Not too shabby for a first try.'
ANON: How did you get so close?
COOPER: Only two of my projected calculations were off. They weren't important as it turned out. Second, I have a very good japanese watch.
ANON: So?
COOPER: Multiply time by speed and you come up with distance. I knew how fast we were going-afterall I told the pilot what speed to go-what vector we were traveling on, and, at least approximately, what the winds were. A man doesn't necessarily need a computer.
NON: How did you get from your landing spot to Isn't the terrain between Seattle and Reno pretty inacessible?
COOPER: Some is. Some isn't.
ANON: You don't want to tell us any more. COOPER: Right.
ANON: Can I ask you whether you had an accomplice on the ground ?.
COOPER: Sure, you can ask. ANON: But you won't say?
COOPER: Right. I don't intend to give you any information that might incriminate me.
ANON: I understand.
COOPER: You're getting warmer and let's, at my request, skip the subject.
I don't intend to give you any information that might incriminate me.
ANON: I understand.
COOPER: You're getting warmer and let's, at my request, skip the subject.
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ANON: A nice ironic touch ...
COOPER: Yeah, one of many
ANON :... So you got to know the 727 from the inside out. What attracted you to the plane as being ideal for a parachute skyjack?
COOPER: First of all, the alignment' of the three Pratt, & Whitney engines-two on the sides of the rear fuselage and the third 'at the base of the T-tail assembly. I also liked the down-flaps stalling speed. One hundred and nine miles per hour, to be exact. Risky, but jumpable. Then I figured in the small crew; three on the flight deck and the three stewardesses, Two central galleys and the wardrobes with two crappers to the rear. I figured those might come in handy as a place to hold a stewie hostage .. As it turned out, I was right.
I figured those might come in handy as a place to hold a stewie hostage .. As it turned out, I was right. I can even tell you the number of passenger seats, right down to the last piece of lint.
COOPER: Ninety-four. 28 first-class seats, four abreast. Sixty-six tourist seats, six abreast.
ANON: What about your exit?
COOPER: I was getting to that. The ventral door on
figured everything down to ex gnat caserta the stairwayelly was to s chute from fit hydraulically-operated { number, ): andy has A automatic reversion to' manual control. You might'say that, in
skyjacking, it's the little things that count.
ANON: Let's interrupt the chronology for a minute and talk about motivation. Why did you do it? Of course, there was the $200,000, but what else impelled you ?!
COOPER: I've read the papers, watched television, all of that. I've' read that I'm a non-hero, a pop hero, an anti-hero, and a plain old hero hero. The Ordinary Guy who beat the system and became the instant idol, of every" stiff on unemployment from Vancouver, to Tijuana.
The Ordinary Guy who beat the system and became the instant idol, of every" stiff on unemployment from Vancouver, to Tijuana. I've been called a jet-age Jesse James and the Robin Hood of the air. Some of that drivel makes me laugh-and some of it makes me sick, to be frank with you. I want to tell you right now, and put. it in capital letters. I did it for the money, true, BUT I ALSO DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS FUN. There is a thrill in being the first to do the impossible. Ask Armstrong.
ANON: How do you feel about the backlash of your hijack, the lives that were lost when people tried to copy your modus operandi?
COOPER: Well, for one thing, I was personally responsible for the stiffening of airline security. I say
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Goaded bya public- adoration of the skyjacker and. Tankled almost to tears by such Coopermaniacal items as ballads "'D,B. Cooper -Where Are You Now ).D.B. Cooper sweatshirts, and even memorial bikini panties, the Seattle ofice of the FBIi bas sworn to scout every inch offerram between Sea-Tac and: Reno. to, track down their man At this writing it looks very much as Mr. Hoover's minions may bave to do exactly that The media bas been just as eager for. clues to Cooper abouts, bis true identity, bis motives. Locally the P-1; offered a $5,000 reward under their Secret Witness crime fighter series. The Seattle Times, while gently cbiding editorially those who would adulate Cooper, bas. pretty much kept its button-down cool about the whole thing.
Now,, into, this lacuna-filled tangle of pop beroism, electronic legend and FBI fumbling," steps the Seattle Flag with an authentic,"first-person, totally' exclusive interview with D.B. Cooper bimself.
Elsewhere in this issue we have explained something about bow that worldwide scoop was obtained, and the lengths to which the Flag is prepared to go to protect the
Elsewhere in this issue we have explained something about bow that worldwide scoop was obtained, and the lengths to which the Flag is prepared to go to protect the anonymity"of "D.B. Cooper". In no way do we either condone or condemn Cooper's crime; our task is tc :imply report the news, from any viable source.
All we promised, in return for this interview, was that we would under no circumstances .. including grand jury. in gation-divulge, our source of information; and that we would tell D.B.'s adventure exactly as be related it to us, and respect at all times bis inalienable rights under the Constitution.
Namely: life, liberty-and the happiness of pursuit.
Editor's Note: For reasons that are obvious, we are not able to give the full story of how this interview was obtained and who was the Flag's source. ...... We can say that the interview occured in the metropolitan area of Seattle sometime in the month of March. It was not the result of any supersleuthing or investigation on our.
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ANON: Where you Here, og in places
COOPER: Why not
ANON Well, the papers say you're, in Mexico"
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ANON Well, the papers say you're, in Mexico"
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COOPER .. And that's! where the authorities are
looking,"" right?): You don't, escape, just" by crossing borders; look at James Earl Ray, The trick is not to be where they" think you'll be, For instance, they didn't expect anyone to hijack a plane in the Northwest, and they didn't expect: a parachutist, and ... . well, I'm sure you catch my drift. I'm not in Mexico or South America yet, so don't believe everything you read in the papers. ANON: How long did it take you to plan the skyjacking?
COOPER: A year, six months. I had the notion for a long time, but I' didn't start the ground work until June. Something happened which made me think it was time, to do it.
ANON: What was that?
COOPER: Skip it. It would take too long to explain. ANON: Tell us how you got the idea.
COOPER: It came to me while I was watching TV Hijackers before me had always been first class fools. Can you imagine anything more stupid than risking the death penalty because you want to go to Cuba right.
Can you imagine anything more stupid than risking the death penalty because you want to go to Cuba right. now. Hell, you want to go to Cuba, charter a boat, or go to Mexico. Their airline isn't so bad.
These guys who get so worked up about politics are sick.
Me, I wanted money. Doing it for money, as some girls know, is a lot smarter. The trick I turned was not how to get the money-others had done that-but HOW to get AWAY with the money. ...
ANON: How did you prepare yourself?
COOPER: Like anything else, successful skyjacking takes training and hard work. My preparations were as extensive. as any astronauts. The guy you're looking at is probable the world's greatest authority on skyjacking. Before I left home on the 22nd, I had a big fire. I burned graphs, airplane floorplans, timetables, weather reports, maps,' over a hundred pages of notes ... I earned my. money.
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ANONT Imean uh more step by step description COOPER: Well, as you know, once activated the
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I think I read. I had prepared myself as much as you can with gloves and "long johns, but there'sa"' limit to how; much, protection you can bring along on a business flight from Portland to Seattle, (laughing) It would have been
a" bit suspicious if I had come aboard in heavy boots, with" Eddie Bauer sub artic" gear and a sports chute, I would have had quite a time fitting into 15D. "ANON: I guess so, but did you; back on the subject, jump immediately after you opened the dooris
COOPER: Hell, no. That would have been a very dead giveaway: I had to wait until I was over my touchdown area. This is where the FBI screwed up.
At the "appropriate" time I went back past all those empty seats to the stairs, Christ, it was noisy, Next time I'll have something better than kleenex for car plugs. tried to" walk down all the stairs. About the tenth step, think it was, I stepped off. It was all wind and gravity after that.
tried to" walk down all the stairs. About the tenth step, think it was, I stepped off. It was all wind and gravity after that.
ANON: Were you aware that planes were following the Northwest 727?
COOPER: Yes, I couldn't see them in the plane or during my fall, but there is NO way I could miss hearing them once I bailed out. Knowing how close McChord is to Sea-Tac, I would have had to be awfully stupid not to figure on having company as we flew south down Vector 23. It was a calculated risk. That is why I jumped in bad weather and at night. And I suppose I waited just a little longer than I wanted before pulling the chute.
ANON: How long was your free fall?
COOPER: About 5,000 of the 7,000 feet. Kind of hairy when you can't see the ground or the horizon.
ANON: How was the landing?
COOPER: Rough. Let's not talk about it. ANON: Is that where you got the limp?
COOPER: No, as a matter of fact, I did that in January, skiing.
ANON: You went skiing in January !?
COOPER: I should go in June? I'm not going to give up what I like to do just because I'm a celebrity" Who'd
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ANON: Let's go back a little in time and space, You' the 727-100 is situated. under the center engine,; That. ATION (laughter): Well, "what about the landing," said knew how close Mcchord is to"Sea-Tac. "Does that "Hemeant"that Is could jump without being" where did you come down?
COOPER ! Soffy. I can't tell you that. I'll give you a
mean you ever lived in the Seattle area? COOPER: Yes. 'In facr."Well, I Had My Beretta ... ",
that without thy phony pride or ego. Anybody who tries to ape my skyjack is an out-and-out idiot. Like the hippie character at O'Hare in Chicago who 'jacked a 7 only to find that the entire crew had rabbited on mim.
ANON: Rabbited?
COOPER: Ya, you know, slipped out when he was in back. It deft him with a great big airplane but no pilot. Or the weirdo who jumped out a Hughes Airwest D.
It deft him with a great big airplane but no pilot. Or the weirdo who jumped out a Hughes Airwest D.C-9 it Denver. He Busted up a few bones and was caught in a little over an hour. The "D.B. Cooper" of Dallas, a real psycho ;if theje lever was one, was captured on the tround and one fellow in New York somewhere got his lead splattered by a shotgun. An FBI marksman did hat, it said in the papers. Some marksman. He let fly at bout sixteen inches with buckshot. J. Edgar should give hat amant a medal, if he hasn't already.
!: Speaking of the FBI, aren't you worried that
ANON: And the money, the 200 grand, the largest ransom ever paid in a U.S. skyjack? What about that, will it turn out to be your Achilles heel?
COOPER: Never happen! You must read the papers, too. It would take up to five full pages in almost any newspaper to run the serial numbers of each of those 10,000,.bills. But even with the odds in my favor -- I mean, who's going to pick out one number out of 10,000 ?- I'm in no hurry to go on a spending spree.
But even with the odds in my favor -- I mean, who's going to pick out one number out of 10,000 ?- I'm in no hurry to go on a spending spree. Oh, yes, something else, too. I know those twenties were Xeroxed before they were delived to me on the ground at Sea-Tac as ransom money. How do I know that? Easy. I could smell the Xerox fluid on them. Quite a telltale odor. I'd say they were run through the copying machines at the banks where Northwest . collected the loot.
ANON: May I ask why you picked on Northwest? Did you have a grudge against that airline or something?
*Our Scoop*
The Flag's editor was first approached in 'late March by"a friend of a staffer, who iclaimed to have an 'interview with the infamous D.B. Cooper. In defiance of expectations, we met an ordinary looking man of 20 plus years who said he had a taped conversation with D.B. Onj the chance it might bear fruit we accompanied "him to an office where he brought sout wa tape recorder , and phots raphi Before we were allowed access
to "either "we signed an porgoment of
over the picture and we saw a photograph of a twenty.
Onj the chance it might bear fruit we accompanied "him to an office where he brought sout wa tape recorder , and phots raphi Before we were allowed access
to "either "we signed an porgoment of
over the picture and we saw a photograph of a twenty. "This bill," he said, "used to be in a local bank, then it was pulled out of a vault . on , Wednesday, the 24th of November, put in"a" case and taken to Seatac where it was delivered to D.B. Cooper, who some time later bailed out of Ja Northwest 727 with it in a sack tied to this body. There is no other way it could have gotten here without my meeting and talking to Cooper himself.
they got orders from the head man of Northwest himself, who told them to comply with all my demands.
Thankyou Mr. Nyrop, you did the right thing. It would be nice to think that they were being humanitarian, trying to take me alive, but that's a lot of bull. ANON: What; then, was their rationale?
COOPER: Simple. They must have figured it this way: Why risk four lives-not including mine- and a $5 million airplane for a mere $200,000? It was lousy odds any way you" look at that little equation from Northwest's point of view.
figured it this way: Why risk four lives-not including mine- and a $5 million airplane for a mere $200,000? It was lousy odds any way you" look at that little equation from Northwest's point of view. Now if I had been too greedy, say, and asked for a million, there's no telling what they would have done. It would have raised hell with the Xerox' operators, that's damn sure.
ANON: Did you, anywhere along the line, improvise during the skyjack itself, or did you stick to your original game plan?
COOPER: I tried to stay pretty loose, ready to adjust to any situation that might pop up. As it turned out everything followed my script almost to the letter. There was one pretty bad moment, though, that "I hadn't planned for. (Long pause.)
ANON: That being ...?
COOPER: It happened while we were still negotiating on the ground at Sea-Tac. I was getting pretty antsy anyhow, since the refueling was not being done and guessed somebody was doing a lot of stalling, planning some kind of strategy or hoping to get a man in close enough to sharpshoot.me. That had happened to some poor boob back cast the week before so I was edgy :The chief pilot of Northwest drove out' on the grinder with the
That had happened to some poor boob back cast the week before so I was edgy :The chief pilot of Northwest drove out' on the grinder with the ransom "money and the two" parachutes "had ordered. One of the stewardesses-I was holding anotherJust Air And Gravity .. "
look for me up, there, anyway? ANON: (laughter) Well, what about the landing, where did you come down?
COOPER: Sorry, I'can't tell you that. I'll give you a clue; thoughsiit's over a hundred miles away from S.W. Washington.
ANON; But the FBI contends you bailed out. down by Vancouver Washington, if I remember right. COOPER: I.don't want to disapoint you or your local Efrem Zimbalist, but they are wrong. If they had as much in the brains department as they do in the money. department, .; I'd be in jail right now instead of talking to you .: While we're on the subject, I wish somebody would ask that Milnes character just how much money he's.spending to chase my ass. I bet it's a pretty penny over $200,000.
ANON: How do you know his name?
SOOPER: I read the papers just like everyone else.
I bet it's a pretty penny over $200,000.
ANON: How do you know his name?
SOOPER: I read the papers just like everyone else. Arterall, I'M'in them.
'ANON: Can you tell us what the first thing you did on landing?
COOPER: Sure. I buried my chute.
ANON: Were you in wooded terrain?
COOPER: Yep, an evergreen jungle,
ANON: How far were you from where you wanted to be?
COOPER: In the neighborhood of five miles. Not too shabby for a first try.
ANON? How did you get so close?
COOPER: Only two of my projected calculations were off. They weren't important as it turned out. Second, I have a very good japanese watch. ANON: So?
COOPER: Multiply time by speed and you come up with distance. I knew how fast we were going-afterall I told the pilot what speed to go-what vector we were
ANON: Let's go back a little in time and space. You . said knew how close McChord is to Sea-Tac. Does that mean you ever lived in the Seattle area?
COOPER: Yes. In fact, I once. was "'a ' Larry Lunchbucket at Boeing's.
ANON: Outrageous!
Were you an engineer at Boeing, or something like.
was "'a ' Larry Lunchbucket at Boeing's.
ANON: Outrageous!
Were you an engineer at Boeing, or something like. that?
COOPER: No, nothing that fancy. Just an ordinary badger, but I did work on the 727's. I worked on the first Boeing 727400 standard transport that was first flown by Eastern Airlines way back in 1964.
ANON: A nice ironic touch ...
COOPER: Yeah, one of many ...
ANON :... So you got to know the 727 from the inside out. What attracted you to the plane as being ideal for a parachute skyjack?
COOPER: First of all, the alignment of the three Pratt, & Whitney engines-two on the sides of the rear fuselage and the third at the base of the T-tail assembly. I also liked the down-flaps stalling speed. One hundred and nine miles per hour, to be exact. Risky, but jumpable. Then I figured in the small crew; three on the flight deck and the three stewardesses. Two central galleys and the wardrobes with two crappers to the rear. I figured those might come in handy as a place to hold a stewie hostage.
Two central galleys and the wardrobes with two crappers to the rear. I figured those might come in handy as a place to hold a stewie hostage. As it turned out, I was right. I can even tell you the number of passenger seats, right down to the last piece of lint.
ANON: Go ahead.
COOPER: Ninety-four. 28 first-class seats," four abreast. Sixty-six tourist seats, six abreast.
ANON: What about your exit?
COOPER: I was getting to that. The ventral door on
the 727400"is situated under. the center engine. That. meant . that I could | jumps without being! vacuum cleanered into a 3,156-pound turbofan or diced into french fries on a flap. It was really the only ship; all 80 tons of it, that would fit my needs, and the door,was the crux, the key. It's six-foot, four inches high and two' feet, eight inches in width. Room to spare for an ordinary-sized person like myself, chute pack and All.) Look. You don't get an encore for an act like mine. figured everything down to. a gnat's : ass. Even the stairway I was to :'chute . from. };It'sis hydraulically-operated : number, .
a gnat's : ass. Even the stairway I was to :'chute . from. };It'sis hydraulically-operated : number, . and has automatic reversion to manual. control. You might say, that, in skyjacking, it's the little things that count.
ANON: Let's interrupt the chronology for a minute and talk about motivation. Why did you do it? Of course there was the $200,000, but what else impelled you?
COOPER: I've read the papers, watched television, all of that. I've read that I'm a non-hero, a pop hero, an anti-hero, and a plain old hero hero. The Ordinary Guy who beat the system and became the instant idol of every stiff on unemployment from Vancouver to: Tijuana. I've been called a jet-age Jesse James and the Robin Hood of the air. Some of that drivel makes me, laugh-and some of it makes me sick, to be frank with you. I want to tell you right now, and put it in capital . letters. I did it for the money, true, BUT I ALSO DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS FUN. There is a thrill in being the first to do the impossible. Ask Armstrong.
I did it for the money, true, BUT I ALSO DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS FUN. There is a thrill in being the first to do the impossible. Ask Armstrong.
ANON: How do you feel about the backlash of your hijack, the lives that were lost when people tried to copy your modus operandi?
COOPER: Well, for one' thing, I was personally responsible for the stiffening of airline security. I saySEATTLE FLAG
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D.B.COOPER FAIINDIhead splattered by a shotgun. An Fbi marksman did that, it said in the papers, Some marksman. He let fly at. about sixteen inches with buckshot. J. Edgar should give that agent a medal, if he hasn't.already.
ANON: Speaking of the FBI; aren't you worried that
machines or the banks where! Northwestkcollectedifthe
loot. ANON: May I ask why you picked on Northwest? Did you have a grudge against that airline or something?
*Our Scoop
The Flag's editor was first approached in later March by a friend of a staffer who claimed to? have - an! interview with the infamous: D.B. Cooper. In defiancex of , expectations, we met an ordinary looking man of 20 plus years who said he had;a taped conversation with D.
In defiancex of , expectations, we met an ordinary looking man of 20 plus years who said he had;a taped conversation with D.B. On the chance. it might bear fruit we accompanied him to an office where he brought out a tape recorder and photograph. Before we were allowed access to:4 either we signed an agreement of confidentiality:
It stated that under no conditions could we divulge our source, that we were not allowed to print the interview before the 1st of May, that after transcription the tape must be destroyed, in addition we agreed not to cooperate .in any way with local police authorities.
All . these conditions: were quite amenable. But the next one required $1000 cash. Before agreeing to say goodbye to real unmarked money we asked to see some. proof, Clifford Irving still fresh in our minds. It was then that our source turned
over the picture and we saw a photograph of a twenty. "This bill," he said, "used to be.in a local bank, then it was pulled out of a vault ; on", Wednesday, the 24th of November, put in a case and: taken to Seatac: where it was delivered to D.
in a local bank, then it was pulled out of a vault ; on", Wednesday, the 24th of November, put in a case and: taken to Seatac: where it was delivered to D.B. Cooper, who some time later bailed out of a Northwest 727 with it in a sack tied to his body. There is no other way it could have gotten here without my meeting and "talking to Cooper himself."
After calling a bank to verify, we met all the stated conditions.
Later, when we had heard the tape and realized just how great it was, we asked our anonymous source why he came to us. Well, the PI was out, it seems, because they were offering. $5,000 for his head. The Times was considered untrustworthy. And all the television stations would have required a tape from which voice prints could be made. The Flag was the last resort.
We have not seen him since, but we assume he will pick up a copy of this issue.
the Bureau is going to search every inch of ground between Seattle and Reno to find you?
COOPER: Happy Trails.
ANON: Aren't you afraid that they'll trace you through your skydiving experience or some of those 21 pounds of twenties you got from Northwest?
ANON: Aren't you afraid that they'll trace you through your skydiving experience or some of those 21 pounds of twenties you got from Northwest?
COOPER: WHAT skydiving experience? WHAT 21 pounds of twenties? It requires very few smarts to guess that anybody who can pull the first skydive from a commercial jet- in the dead of night, free-falling with 200 grand strapped around ' his gut, wearing street clothes and low-cut shoes-knows his ass from a D-ring, on in sneak. Sure. I've done a lot of skydiving over the
COOPER: Would it make a better story for you if 1 did?
ANON: No. But other lines fly the 727, don't they ...? COOPER: No, I had nothing against Northwest at all, . far from it. They happen to be my very favorite airline right now. But I did know that Northwest is one of the biggest profit-makers of all the airlines, and that they could raise the $200,000 fast. I was sure. Northwest could get the money for me even if Flight 305 got in from Portland after the banks had closed for the day. And there were other considerations, too.
Northwest could get the money for me even if Flight 305 got in from Portland after the banks had closed for the day. And there were other considerations, too. There had never been a real skyjack at Seattle, and Northwest definitely does not have what I would call a "take me to " alla than- chinacanlive some other
JANON: Did you, anywhere along the line improvite durin # the skyjack's itself "fori did you stick to your original game plan?, COOPER: I tried to, smy pretty loose, ready to ediust to any situation: that might .popsup? As it turned out everything followed my script almost to the letter There waszone' pretty bad moment, "though's that I hadn' planned for. (Long pause.)
ANONi That being ...
COOPER: It happened while we were still negotiating on the ground.'at Sea-Tac. I was getting pretty antry anyhow, since the refueling was not being done andil guessed somebody was doing a lot of stalling, planning some kind of strategyjor hoping to get a man in close enough to sharpshoot me, That had happened to rome poor boob back, cast the week before so I was edgy The chief pilot of, Northwest drove out on the grinder with the ransom money ;
guessed somebody was doing a lot of stalling, planning some kind of strategyjor hoping to get a man in close enough to sharpshoot me, That had happened to rome poor boob back, cast the week before so I was edgy The chief pilot of, Northwest drove out on the grinder with the ransom money ;and the two parachutes I had ordered, One of the stewardesses I was holding another as hostage, in 'the rear of the passenger cabin, backsby the port latrine- came back with the money in a white canvas bag. I checked out the loot, fires thing Handheld before, I could smell the Xerox on those 200 bis ones but as' long as they were . the real thing,and not photo copies,I was satisfied. Then the stew ,made two; more trips outside onto- the runway to bring : in the 'chutes. It was at this point that Captain Scott cut in on the cabin intercom. "The first fuel truck is here" what he said.
Pecking through one of the cabin windows I could see' the refueling truck crewmen at the fueling point, at the underside of the starboard wing at mid-span, ! The statistics, from my Boeing days and homework, clicked in my head: standard fuel capacity. for the 727-400 is precisely 7,174 gallons .. That's U.S. Gallons.
The statistics, from my Boeing days and homework, clicked in my head: standard fuel capacity. for the 727-400 is precisely 7,174 gallons .. That's U.S. Gallons. I ;- was convinced we'd need every drop of it-including most of the fumes, where we were heading.,
ANON: And where was that ...?
COOPER: Mexico. (Clears his throat loudly.) Or at least that's where I wanted them to think I was taking them.
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the Bureau is, going to, search, every inch of ground between Seattle and Reno to find you?
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the Bureau is, going to, search, every inch of ground between Seattle and Reno to find you?
PER: Happy Trails.
ANON:" Aren't you" afraid that they'll trace you." through your skydiving experience or some of those 21. pounds of twenties you got from Northwest?
COOPER: WHAT skydiving experience? WHAT 21 pounds of twenties? It requires very few smarts to guess that 'anybody who can pull the first skydive from a commercial jet- in the dead of night, free-falling with 200 grand strapped around ' his gut, wearing street clothes and low-cut shoes-knows his ass from a D-ring, so to speak. Sure, I've done a lot of skydiving over the years and belonged to several clubs, but I don't think that's much of a lead for the FBI to go on.
ANON: Why not?
COOPER: Because maybe 20,000, maybe more, people make the one jump-each year, I mean-that's. needed to get their certificate. Most of them, maybe 75 per cent, qualify and then stop jumping. With a turnover like it'll take the law years to pick up my scent.
Most of them, maybe 75 per cent, qualify and then stop jumping. With a turnover like it'll take the law years to pick up my scent. I did have one private quirk as a skydiver, though.
ANON: That being ...?
COOPER: 1 did thousands of weight-lifts to build up. ny ankles. Even did roadwork with weighted leather cks of sand buckled to my ankles. Occasionally I. would jump wearing low-cuts, but none of the other skydivers -- they've got to be the most ' vain, glory-hounding types you'll find anywhere-ever noticed. They were too wrapped up in their own Superman fantasies.
COOPER: Would it make a better story for you if I did?
ANON: No. But other lines fly the 727, don't they ...? COOPER: No, I had nothing against Northwest at all, far from it. They happen to be my very favorite airline right now. But I did know that Northwest is one of the biggest profit-makers of all the airlines, and that they' could raise the $200,000 fast. I was sure Northwest could get the money for me even if Flight 305 got in from Portland after the banks had closed for the day.
I was sure Northwest could get the money for me even if Flight 305 got in from Portland after the banks had closed for the day. And there were other considerations, too. There had never been a real skyjack at Seattle, and Northwest definitely does not have what I would call a "take me to Cuba complex". All of those things-plus some other little subtleties-helped make my decision to jump Northwest:
ANON: Let's touch a little on the actual drama of the skyjack itself, shall we?
COOPER: All right ...
ANON: Was your briefcase bomb real, or was it fake? COOPER: It was real, in the sense that it worked. In actuality it was a fake. The dynamite sticks the stewardesses blabbered about were nothing more than some Gillette shaving-cream cans rigged with prima-cord fuses. Five of them were in the briefcase I flashed. I painted them red because people always associate that color with something explosive, like dynamite.
ANON: Why did they fall for it? Were they stupid, super-cautious, or what?
COOPER :. I'd say none of those, only well-endoctrinated and thoroughly trained.
Were they stupid, super-cautious, or what?
COOPER :. I'd say none of those, only well-endoctrinated and thoroughly trained. Of course,
Petri: through one of the cabir windows Fc the refueling truck crewmen at the fueling point with under WEGGEVA underside of the, starboard wingsos mid-span statistics, from my Boeing days and homework -slicked in my head? standard fuel capacity for the 727-00 is precisely& 7,174 gallons. That's U.S . Gallons {was convinced we'd need every drop of it-including most of the fumes, where we were heading. ANON; And where was that ...? COOPER; Mexico. (Clears his throat loudly.) Or ad least that's where I wanted them to think I was taking them.
"Take me to Katmandu.
ANON: OK. Go on ...
COOPER: I checked out the chutes and the loot, then I hit the intercom to the flight deck. My Words. were, "Let the passengers off. But I want everybody in the cockpit- and the other two stews to stay on, the plane. Is that clear?" The captain roger-ed that. It vas atj this point that my game plan, as you call it, went a little ' haywire.
" The captain roger-ed that. It vas atj this point that my game plan, as you call it, went a little ' haywire. The passengers-there were around 34; 35, of them, by my count-began their exit, using the front airstairs and walking across the concrete to where a bus was waiting. Holding my bomb attache case, I went out. into the cabin. Right then this guy, middle-aged and executive looking, began to push his way back through the line into the tourist compartment. I tensed, telling myself, "Oh-oh. Here's the oddball, the frustrated World
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ANON: What would you have done to stop the man? COOPER: Well, I had my Beretta. Fortunately for both of us, he was not playing hero. He had only left his briefcase on his seat and was rushing back to pick it up.
Fortunately for both of us, he was not playing hero. He had only left his briefcase on his seat and was rushing back to pick it up. I sympathized with the man. He had that harried, pinch-faced look of an unemployed Boeing accountant. (General laughter.)
ANON: Now you were holding one of the stewardesses hostage 'Where was this?
COOPER: Part of the time behind the rear galley curtain, part of the time in the toilet.
ANON: Which Stew was this?
COOPER: Mucklow. She was the blond, tall one. Had a wristwatch with a clunky leather band, as I remember. Hell, you've seen one stew, you've seen 'em all.
ANON: What did you do while you were waiting for the money and chutes.
COOPER: I watched, waited, and smoked. Oh, and I prayed to high heaven they didn't call my bluff. All I could have done was give them a shave. Seems like, I smoked a couple packs of Raleighs too.
If the FBI was going to make a move it would have been at Sea-Tac."Everybody but the stew with me and the three-man crew was clear of the aircraft .. I buzzed the cockpit and asked the captain what the hell was the holdup!
"Everybody but the stew with me and the three-man crew was clear of the aircraft .. I buzzed the cockpit and asked the captain what the hell was the holdup! He said they were having trouble with the vapor losand that another truck was coming. I said, "OK, but remember, one truck at a time."" "Eventually five trucks came out, but only three of them were this . -deliver. At this juncture. 1
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CANON:, It sounds like a Jerry Lewis movie. Have you heard that song about you?
COOPER: You 1.1.
He did try to 1.lashing my "bomb" of couri
ANON: Do you recall. what you told the captain? COOPER: "The last time, I do. I said, "It's takeoff time. Take me to Mexico."
ANON: What was the Captain's reaction?
COOPER: About the same as if I had said, "Take me to Katmandu". He looked at me as if I were totally insane. He said he could try Medford, Red Bluff or Reno, all on Vector 23. My response was negative.
He looked at me as if I were totally insane. He said he could try Medford, Red Bluff or Reno, all on Vector 23. My response was negative. He then suggested San Francisco; I told him no, very emphatically. I said, "I want the flaps at 15 per cent and the gear down. I also want the ventral staircase down when you take off." He gave me a negative on the stairs.
said, not too gently as I recall, "God damnit, I can't refor Heparture-lift the nose and rotate-with those 's dowi." He also told me that he couldn't make Mexico with the flaps and gear down, but that he would compute the fuel consumption and shoot for Reno. I was glad he got my idea all by himself. I told him affirmative, to head south. Then I slammed the cockpit door and went back to the tourist compartment with the stew. According to.my watch, we got airborne at 7:40 p.m., four hours and 42 minutes since leaving Portland. Like I said, I have a very good watch.
ANON: Speaking of Portland ... Shortly after takeoff you handed. your ' skyjack note to one of the stewardesses .
ANON: Speaking of Portland ... Shortly after takeoff you handed. your ' skyjack note to one of the stewardesses ...
COOPER: Yes. The brunette, and she thought I was trying to proposition her ... In a way, she was right.
ANON: You were very careful about retrieving that note, about not. leaving it-or anything else- behind as
ence. Could you tell us what the note said?
OOPER: Word for word. It said, "I am hijacking aircraft .. Relay instructions to the ground that I want $200 000 in $20's and two parachutes delivered to me when the plane lands. I have a bomb." Thirty words. You know that's $6,666 a word'?
ANON: Not bad by anyone's standards. Tell me, were you scared of anything in particular when you first got on the plane?
COOPER: There was one thing. I had nightmares for almost a week prior to the jack. I would be on a plane with my homemade bomb and my note. And I would give the note to some dolly stewardess, and she would turn around and tell me that she was very sorry but that
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ANON: We'd like to know something about the parachutes that were delivered to you aboard the jet: Were they to your liking?
COOPER: Negative. Somebody was playing games there. The backpack harness did not have the necessary D-rings for attaching the chestpacks. They were some sort of emergency rigs for acrobatic flying, I guess. So I just said to hell with it, I'd have to jump without a reserve.
ANON: Everyone assumed you asked for two parachutes so they wouldn't give you one with a note that said crime doesn't pay in it, not knowing whether you were going to force somebody, like the stewardess maybe, to bail out with you. What did you do with the extra parachute?
COOPER: I made a special point of not leaving it behind in the cabin. I cut it up into strips and used the strips to tie the money bag to my waist, very securely. Next question.
ANON: You've told us something about the jump, about working the escape door and plunging out into the darkness.
ANON: You've told us something about the jump, about working the escape door and plunging out into the darkness. How did you bail out without tipping off the crew?
COOPER:
(tape garbled briefly here.)
... took the stewardess forward, and ordered the captain to lock the door from the inside. I checked it out. It was locked. I returned aft, closing the first-class and tourist compartment curtains securely behind me. Do you know how cerie it is to have a complete airplane to yourself except for some scared robots? Anyway I got on the blower to the flight deck again, telling Scott to hold the aircraft at 7,000 feet, and speed at 200 miles per hour.
ANON: But how could you be sure he'd follow your orders?
COOPER: He'd been told to cooperate. More importantly, he'd seen me pop into his cockpit. I made
a point of reading his gauges. If you were him would you want to risk upsetting a madman with a bomb by
wirregning To buğ une and that la igot too bugged my bomb was liable to go off. Then I Said, as I remember,
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"Now hear me, this is your skyjacker speaking. Nobody under any circumstances, is to attempt to make any further contact" with me. Is that understood?" They understood.
ANON: It was at that time that you leaped clear with the $200,000?
COOPER: Well, sometime after that.
ANON: One final thing, Mr. Cooper.' You've got $200,000, a national reputation, you've been first at something you've wanted to do. That's awkward .but you know what I mean ... what now?
COOPER: I'm going to retire, Tonight, I am leaving for parts unknown.
ANON: You aren't going to fly, are you?
COOPER: What do you think?
ANON: Don't know, to tell the truth. COOPER: Good. Loose lips sink ships. I've let mine flap far too freely."It's very hard to keep a story like mine inside. Especially after all the nonsense that has been written about me. Just as well that we cleared the air. You were the first to ask, did you know that?
ANON: My privledge. For your sake I hope I'm the only one to ask.
You were the first to ask, did you know that?
ANON: My privledge. For your sake I hope I'm the only one to ask. When will you be back?
.COOPER: Somewhere in the neighborhood of five
years.
ANON: Why five years?
COOPER: That, "my friend, fisk the statute.
limitations.
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PORTLAND, CRE. (UPI ) -- THE RIGHT $20 BILL CAN GET YOU: $1, 000 IN! PORTLAND, ORF.
THIS IS ONE LOTTERY THE FBI HOPES SOMEBODY CASHES IN ON. D. F. GROTER INVENTED IT.
HAVE THE ORIGINAL SKYJACKER, AND ONLY SUCCESSFUL ONE, STILLAT LABGE WITH $200,000 IN RANSOM. COOPER JUMPED WITH THE MONEY: FROMCA NORTHWEST AIRLINES PLANE THANKSGIVING EVE . TWO YEARS AGO SOMEWHERES :. TWEE! STATTLE AND RENO:
THE OREGON JOURNAL BAS OFFERED $1, 000 REWARD TO ANYONE WHO FINDS!
TWO YEARS AGO SOMEWHERES :. TWEE! STATTLE AND RENO:
THE OREGON JOURNAL BAS OFFERED $1, 000 REWARD TO ANYONE WHO FINDS! SE> BILL FIOU IVE COOPER HAUL, WHICH THE NEWSPAPER DESCRIBED AS TH AIRCRAFT HIJACK . THAT CHANGED COMMERCIAL AIR TRAVEL FOR EVERYONE IT WAS DONE THAT.
1:5 SO-CALLED "STERILE CONCOURSE" CONCEPT IS IN FORCE AT AIRPORTS . OVER THE COUNTRY. UNDER THE SYSTEM . NO ONE ENTERS AN AIRCRAFT TRYING AREA WITHOUT SCREENING.
THE JOURNAL IS RUNNING A LIST OF THE SERIAL NUMBERS ON THE: S2DS BILLS TAKAL DY COOPER AS AN AID TO THE PUBLIC SEARCH FOR THE RANSOM MONEY. THE FS1. SAVE THE LIST. OF 10, 000 SERIAL NUMBERS IS AVAILABLE I WET YBI OFFICES AROUND THE NATION, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BECOMING A D.P. COOPER GAME PLAYER.
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(UPI) -- THE FBI SAYS IT HAS DEFINITELY ELIMINATED LANY CONNECTION BETWEEN A CAPTURED BANK ROBBERY SUSPECT AND THE ELUSIVE SKYJACKER "D. B. COOPER" WHO PARACHUTED FROM AN AIRLINER IN 1971 WITH $200,000 IN RANSOM.
JULIUS MATTSON, FBI SPECIAL AGENT, SAID FRIDAY ROBBERY SUSPECT ARVIDIS J. XIPERTS, 41, OF VANCOUVER, WASH., WAS NOT THE MAN WHO CALLED HIMSELF "COOPER" IN THE HI JACKING OF THE NORTHWEST AIRLINES JETLINER.
THE AGENT SAID "COOPER" WAS DESCRIBED AS THIN BUT KIPERTS WAS STOCKY.
, WAS NOT THE MAN WHO CALLED HIMSELF "COOPER" IN THE HI JACKING OF THE NORTHWEST AIRLINES JETLINER.
THE AGENT SAID "COOPER" WAS DESCRIBED AS THIN BUT KIPERTS WAS STOCKY. HE ADDED THAT WITNESSES TO THE HIJACKING LOOKED AT A PICTURE. OF KIPERTS AND SAID HE WAS NOT "COOPER."
THE FBI SAID IT HAD CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT KIPERTS WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE AT THE TIME OF THE PLANE HIJACKING.
KIPERTS WAS ARRESTED IN SAN DIEGO, CALIF., MONDAY NIGHT ON AN OREGON BANK ROBBERY CHARGE AND IS A SUSPECT IN A SECOND BANK ROBBERY IN OREGON IN WHICH THE HOLDUP. MAN DOODLED THE NAME "D. B. COOPER" ON A BANK DEPOSIT SLIP.
A MAN WHO CALLED HIMSELF D. B. COOPER HIJACKED" THE PLANE BETWEEN PORTLAND AND SEATTLE ON THANKSGIVING EVE, 1971, AND DEMANDED THE RANSOM AND FOUR PARACHUTES. HE BAILED OUT OF THE PLANE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEATTLE AND RENO, NEV. AND DISAPPEARED WITHOUT A TRACE.
XIPERTS IS BEING HELD IN LIEU OF $150,000 BAIL AND IS SCHEDULED TO APPEAR BEFORE A U.S. MAGISTRATE IN SAN DIEGO NOV. 19.
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