Historic Preservation Commission — Naperville, IL
Date: 2019-05-23

400 S. Eagle Street
 City of Naperville Naperville, IL 60540



 Meeting Agenda

 Historic Preservation Commission

Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:00 PM Meeting Room B




A. CALL TO ORDER:

B. ROLL CALL:

C. PUBLIC FORUM:

D. OLD BUSINESS:

E. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 19-534 Consider the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) request for the property
 located at 32 S. Wright St. - COA 19-1455

2. 19-535 Consider the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) request to construct a
 new single family residential home on the property located at 26 N. Sleight
 -COA 19-402

F. REPORTS
1. 19-510 Approve the minutes of the March 21, 2019 Historic Preservation
 Commission meeting

G. NEW BUSINESS:
1. 19-536 Provide input on proposed text amendments to Chapter 11 (Historic
 Preservation) of Title 6 (Zoning Regulations) of the Naperville Municipal
 Code - PZC 19-1-59

H. ADJOURNMENT:
 Any individual with a disability requesting a reasonable accommodation in order to
 participate in a public meeting should contact the Communications Department at least
 48 hours in advance of the scheduled meeting. The Communications Department can
 be reached in person at 400 S. Eagle Street, Naperville, IL., via telephone at
 630-420-6707 or 630-305-5205 (TDD) or via e-mail at info@naperville.il.us. Every effort
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400 S. Eagle Street
 City of Naperville Naperville, IL 60540



 Meeting Minutes

 Historic Preservation Commission


Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:00 PM Meeting Room B


A. CALL TO ORDER:

B. ROLL CALL:
 Present: Doyle, Garrison, Vice Chair Jacks, Martinez, Noel, Ory, Eveslage,
 Chairman Peterson, Urda, Councilman Kelly (non-voting), Howard (non-voting), Li
 (student representative)

 Absent: Sharma (student representative), Shandilya (student representative)

C. PUBLIC FORUM:

D. OLD BUSINESS:

E. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS

1. Consider the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) request for the property located at 32
 S. Wright St. - COA 19-1455
 The petitioners, Susan and Andrew Fitch, gave a brief overview of the proposal
 and stated they were available for any questions.

 Public Testimony:

 Karen Solomon supports the modest modification to the property.

 Chairman Peterson finds the submittal is very thorough in terms of materials.

 Commissioner Urda asked for a recommendation from staff.

 Chairman Peterson clarified staff is in support.
 A motion was made by Commissioner Martinez and seconded by Commissioner
 Ory to approve COA 19-1455 to allow for changes to the façade that include: an
 addition on the rear of the home facing Van Buren Avenue, a new window facing
 Van Buren Avenue, an alteration to the style of an existing window facing Van
 Buren Avenue, window replacement for a window facing Van Buren Avenue, a
 new window facing Wright Street, and new porch rails and spindles for the
 property located at 32 S. Wright.

 Aye: Doyle, Garrison, Vice Chair Jacks, Martinez, Noel, Ory, Eveslage, Chairman
 Peterson, Urda
 Nays: None

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2. Consider the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) request to construct a new single
 family residential home on the property located at 26 N. Sleight -COA 19-402
 Presentation by Dan Kittilsen, DJK Custom Homes, with future homeowners,
 Mary Anne and Chris Yep. Mr. Kittilsen stated the proposal has been revised in
 order to comply with zoning regulations and they would remain available for any
 questions.

 Public Testimony:
 Julie Garrison believes the design needs more detail, specifically in the windows
 and siding. Concerned that the home looks too much like a new home, but is
 appreciative of the overall size and layout.

 Carl Webber does not believe the home fits in with the historic district and is
 concerned that no trees will be saved.

 Susan Fitch does not believe the style is consistent with the district. Raised a
 concern that the proposed style does not fit in with the “farmhouse style” that is
 represented in the Historic Building Design and Resource Manual.

 Karen Solomon does not believe the modern, southern ranch style home fits in
 with district. Finds the proposed looks like Standard Market, especially with the
 white siding. The proposed structure is 44’ wide, which is only fitting on a corner
 lot, would not fit on a normal 50’ wide lot.

 Chairman Peterson believes the efforts the petitioner has made in terms of
 square footage, massing and height are modest. Struggles with how detailed
 the Commission should get in regards to the design of the house and found that
 in concept, the proposal meet a lot of criteria that is important in the
 neighborhood.

 Commissioner Martinez asked staff if the proposed home complies with the
 zoning requirements.

 Mattingly clarified that the petitioner revised the plans to meet code
 requirements.

 Commissioner Urda stated that the purpose of the Commission is too
 determine if the proposed home is an enhancement to the district.

 Chairman Peterson stated that the home is designed to appear taller, closer to
 a two story home, while it is still a ranch.

 Councilman Kelly asked staff if the proposed style was one of the styles
 mentioned in the Historic Building Design and Resource Manual.

 Mattingly clarified that the proposed style is vernacular, which is also known as
 farmhouse.


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 Commissioner Jacks asked about the color and roof material, stated a metal
 roof was not desirable.

 Dan Kittilsen clarified the proposed color is a light grey, and the roof will be
 comprised of architectural shingles.

 Commissioner Ory is concerned that the new home looks too much like a new
 home and wants to make sure the style fits in with the environment. Wants
 more of a distressed look that would fit in well with the district, including
 distressing any painting on the wood porch. Feels the proposed stone looks too
 modern.

 Dan Kittilsen stated it is really difficult to depict all the details on a small
 rendering. Designed the porch to be consistent with the district, did not go with
 a metal roof, picked a railing style that is consistent with the vast majority in the
 area, and found that both square or round columns are appropriate. The
 guidelines mention matching foundation height, tried to mimic the foundation
 height by placing the home on a knee wall while keeping in line with the building
 code requirements. The existing home has a stone water table so felt the stone
 provided does match in with the district. Did pull in every element that is
 provided in the guidelines of the Historic Design and Resource manual. Made
 references to other homes that are grey in color and have wrap around
 porches.

 Commissioner Urda questioned why the entrance of the home is on Franklin but
 has a Sleight address. Views that the character of the district is represented by
 the majority style and what the neighborhood looks like. The proposed home
 does not have the feel like it fits in with the character of the neighborhood.

 Commissioner Ory asked if the driveway is currently off of Franklin.

 Dan Kittilsen stated the existing driveway is off the alley. The petitioners
 discussed the trees on the site with the City Forestry supervisor, Jack Mitz and
 decided to move the driveway in order to save one of the trees. For the overall
 design, tried to pull in some design elements that are seen in the area. One
 example of this is the proposed gable roof is a mimicked design element of the
 house that is kitty corner to the subject property.

 Alva Jean Chastain asked if the petitioner has ever built in the historic district
 before and raised a concern that the petitioner has no examples of any work in
 the historic district.

 Dan Kittilsen does not have any examples but worked to look at the character of
 the district and mimic the design as seen on other homes in the district
 including: the porch, gable roof, and the distance from top of porch roof to
 bottom of the eaves. The proposed lot coverage is within the zoning code
 requirements.


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 Commissioner Urda finds that the character of the district is not set by a single
 example, but the district as a whole. The public wants the house to keep in with
 the character of the district.

 Andrew Fitch does not believe this is a vernacular style home and finds all
 vernacular styles to be two stories.

 Karen Solomon feels the HPC is very strict on all COA submittals, therefore,
 does not feel the commission should allow a new house. Some of the
 standards on the existing home should be brought to the new home. The front
 entrance should be on sleight street.

 Commissioner Martinez asked if the petitioner were to move the door to be on
 sleight street, if that would address the concern.

 Karen Solomon stated this would not address the concern does not believe the
 ranch style fits in with the district

 Commissioner Garrison asked the petitioner if the sale on the existing house
 been completed.

 Christopher Yep stated the sale is contingent on the home being able to be built.

 Commissioner Garrison does not feel the total design fits in with the character
 and therefore wanted to know what the petitioner was willing to change.

 Dan Kittilsen stated the one requirement is that the home must be a ranch style,
 but the style has been designed to not look like a ranch from the exterior. Even if
 a second floor was added, the exterior appearance would not change. Did
 select the vernacular style - modern term is farmhouse. Tried to give the
 appearance that an addition had been added to the property (screen room) as is
 seen with the majority of the homes in the district. Does believe the lived in look
 can be created but this is difficult to show in a rendering. Feels the design
 address all the standards for a new home as shown in the Historic Building
 Design and Resource Manual.

 Chairman Peterson questioned if the design could be altered to create the
 appearance of a 2 story home.

 Dan Kittilsen does not believe the guidelines state that the home needs to
 replicate what is there today. They state the guidelines need to be consistent
 with what is in the block.

 Chairman Peterson agreed.

 Dan Kittilsen asked if the Commission explain what about the design does not
 fit in with the district.

 Commissioner Urda stated main concern is the size and the proposed street

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 entrance.

 Councilman Kelly asked if the proposed garage is detached since the garage
 appears very close to the home. Questioned if that was consistent with other
 homes in the district.

 Dan Kittilsen is not aware of what the distance between the home and garage is
 as existing, but stated the proposal complies with the zoning regulations.

 Commissioner Urda asked for lot coverage sizes of properties in the district.
 Feels the proposal is too big.

 Dan Kittilsen does not have any data on the lot coverage of properties in the
 historic district.

 Commissioner Urda asked staff what the procedure is for a denial.

 Laff stated the Commission’s vote is final unless the petitioner chooses to
 appeal to City Council.

 Commissioner Urda asked Chairman Peterson if the case could be tabled to
 allow time for the petitioner to come back with a different design.

 Chairman Peterson asked the petitioner what the willingness would be for
 tabling the vote.

 Dan Kittilsen asked the Commission what they would like to see in a revised
 design. Feels the main concern is the proposed ranch style.

 Chairman Peterson agreed. Asked how many bedrooms are upstairs in the
 existing home?

 Dan Kittilsen stated there are 3 small bedrooms in the second floor of the
 existing home.

 Chairman Peterson would like to create a two story appearance.

 Commissioner Urda agreed, does not believe there are ranches in district

 Dan Kittilsen stated that having a second story on the interior of the home
 should not matter as long as it appears to be a two-story home from the
 exterior.

 Commissioner Ory and Commissioner Martinez concurred.

 Commissioner Ory wants the entrance relocated, wants the stone removed,
 and other tweaks that have been heard and bring in the materials that are being
 proposed to another meeting.


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 Commissioner Martinez is aware there are limestone bases in the district.
 Bringing in materials will help. Base is okay as long as it is limestone.

 Dan Kittilsen asked if the proposal could be approved with comments. Is trying
 to save the existing stone and can install limestone.

 Chairman Peterson questioned if the gable height on the Sleight Street façade
 could be increased to create more of a two story appearance.

 Dan Kittilsen stated they could work on addressing this comment.

 Julie Garrison expressed concern for the petitioner and wants more specifics
 from the Commission especially in terms of size and lot coverage.

 Commissioner Urda asked the petitioner for the existing building coverage.

 Dan Kittilsen provided sizes of the existing home.

 Commissioner Urda believes the home looks like a “Mcmansion” and is too big
 as proposed.

 Commissioner Noel believes that homes in the district are about the same size
 as the proposed when you take additions into account.

 Commissioner Jacks noticed that the house next door is laid out the same way
 and is confused regarding the addressing.

 Commissioner Urda believes the majority of the houses in the district are
 oriented the same way as the addressed. Asked staff when the proposal could
 come in for another meeting if the case is tabled.

 Mattingly stated 4 weeks at a minimum, in order to procure a meeting room,
 provide public notice and give the petitioner additional time for submittal.

 Commissioner Ory is not in support of the structure as proposed.

 Dan Kittilsen believes the design falls within the guidelines and requests a vote
 from the HPC.


 A motion was made by Commissioner Martinez and seconded by Commissioner
 Urda to approve COA 19-402 to allow for construction of a new single family
 residential home for the property located at 26 N. Sleight.

 Aye: Vice Chair Jacks, Martinez, Noel
 Nays: Doyle, Garrison, Ory, Eveslage, Chairman Peterson, Urda

F. REPORTS

1. Approve the minutes of the March 21, 2019 Historic Preservation Commission meeting

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 Louise Howard gave a point of clarification on minutes: the Little Friends
 property is not only located within the local historic district but also the federal
 historic district.
 A motion was made by Commissioner Urda and seconded by Commissioner
 Doyle to approve the meeting minutes of the March 21, 2019 Historic Preservation
 Commission meeting.

 Aye: Doyle, Garrison, Vice Chair Jacks, Noel, Ory, Eveslage, Chairman Peterson,
 Urda
 Nays: None
 Abstain: Martinez

G. NEW BUSINESS:

1. Provide input on proposed text amendments to Chapter 11 (Historic Preservation) of Title
 6 (Zoning Regulations) of the Naperville Municipal Code - PZC 19-1-59
 Landmark Application Procedures:
 Commission finds that all of the proposed items are more fair than existing.

 Commissioner Jacks asked for clarification on tax exemption.

 Julie Garrison asked if the Kroehler Mansion is tax exempt and if the structure
 could be landmarked.

 Mattingly clarified that the structure is currently located within the historic
 district; individual landmarking would provide no greater protection than it has
 today. Any request for demolition of this structure would need to be reviewed
 and approved by the HPC.

 Commissioner Garrison requested that the 3 year time frame does not apply to
 a landmark application that has property owner consent.

 Public Notice Requirements:
 Commissioner Urda asked if the proposal for additional notice requirements
 would have covered the 26 N. Sleight appeal.

 Mattingly stated yes.

 COA Requirements:
 Commissioner Jacks requested the independent structural analysis include the
 cost to repair the structure.

 Chairman Peterson/Commissioner Urda concurred.

 Chairman Peterson cannot think of an example where HPC would need to
 review a variance if that improvement doesn’t require a COA. Has a concern
 about the waiver of HPC review of rear additions that are visible but not
 impacting- asked if the HPC should be weighing in on this.


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 Mattingly clarified that a COA would still be required (but subject to
 administrative review) and would still require compliance with the design
 guidelines.

 Public Comment:
 Julie Garrison asked for clarification on the “Impact of proposed demolition”
 standard. Questioned if a building freeze be imposed on the builder for illegal
 demolition and if they could be banned from doing work in Naperville altogether.

 Karen Solomon asked for a workshop about demolition. Public notice should be
 required for any demolition in the newspaper. The cost needs to be reflective of
 the actual home prices in the district. 26 N. Sleight was sold as a teardown
 which would skew the cost factor. Consider cost per square footage basis?
 Should require a tree removal evaluation for any teardown. Require a
 demolition tax that could be used to fund improvements on other homes that are
 not upkept within the district. If demolished, new construction should be
 submitted as a separate application. Stronger expectations should be given
 about replacement homes. Entrance should always be consistent with home
 that was demolished. Should include “impact on neighboring property” criteria.


2. Louise Howard provided a handout to be discussed at a future meeting (attached).


H. ADJOURNMENT:
 9:02 pm.




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