Facilities Committee  — Charleston, WV
Date: 2021-02-23
Time: 17:30

CITY OF CHARLESTON
 West Virginia
 Council Member – AT LARGE

Jennifer Pharr Facilities Committee, Chair
3 Lambert Place Unit #3 Urban Renewal Committee
 Charleston, WV 25314
Telephone: 304‐615‐7574
jennifer.pharr@cityofcharleston.org




TO: Facilities Committee
FROM: Jennifer Pharr, Chair
RE: Committee Meeting

 UNTIL FURTER NOTICE, MEETINGS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC VIA ZOOM

 There will be a Committee meeting of Facilities on February 23, 2021 – 5:30 PM

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The agenda will be as follows:

Approval of Previous Minutes

 1. 3‐2‐2020

Discussion with Current Tenants

Discussion with Yoga Power ‐ 601 Morris Street

Discussion with Mel Wolf (YWCA)

Discussion of Current City Leases‐ Executive Session

Old Business/ Any news business




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 City Council | 501 Virginia Street, East | Post Office Box 2749 | Charleston, West Virginia 25330
 www.charlestonwv.gov | 304.348.8179 | 304.348.8038 fax

CITY OF CHARLESTON
 West Virginia
 Council Member – AT LARGE

Jennifer Pharr Facilities Committee, Chair
3 Lambert Place Unit #3 Urban Renewal Committee
 Charleston, WV 25314
Telephone: 304‐615‐7574
jennifer.pharr@cityofcharleston.org




TO: Facilities Committee
FROM: Jennifer Pharr, Chair
RE: Committee Meeting

 UNTIL FURTER NOTICE, MEETINGS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC VIA ZOOM

 There will be a Committee meeting of Facilities on February 23, 2021 – 5:30 PM

*Join via internet:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85102974137?pwd=K3NIWkpyRWthWnVpekFWd0NyYTB0Zz09
Passcode: 087124
*Join via Telephone: (312) 626‐6799 or (929) 436‐2866
Webinar ID: 851 0297 4137
Agenda available on CivicClerk: https://charlestonwv.civicclerk.com

The agenda will be as follows:

Approval of Previous Minutes

 1. 3‐2‐2020

Discussion with Current Tenants

Discussion with Yoga Power ‐ 601 Morris Street

Discussion with Mel Wolf (YWCA)

Discussion of Current City Leases‐ Executive Session

Old Business/ Any news business




 City Council | 501 Virginia Street, East | Post Office Box 2749 | Charleston, West Virginia 25330
 www.charlestonwv.gov | 304.348.8179 | 304.348.8038 fax

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 MINUTES
 FACILITIES COMMITTEE MEETING

 4:45 P. M., MARCH 2, 2020

 A/V CONFERENCE ROOM

Jennifer Pharr, Chairperson, called the meeting of the Charleston City Council Committee
on Facilities to order at 4:45p.m., MARCH 2, 2020, in the Audio/Visual Room in City Hall.

Committee Members Present:
Jennifer Pharr, Chair
Ben Adams
Brady Campbell
Adam Knauff
Sam Minardi arrived @ 4:55
Shannon Snodgrass


 1. Approval of Previous Minutes –
Councilmember Campbell moved to approve the minutes of the previous meeting on 2-
18-2020. Councilmember Adams seconded. There was no objection and the minutes
were approved.

 2. Continued Discussion Concerning the Leases and Maintenance of City Owned
 Facilities –
Councilmember Pharr reminded the Committee that there are a number of City leases
(YWCA, Roark-Sullivan, etc.) with long leases and the City covering the utilities. The
Committee had been provided a copy of the lease and corresponding resolution for
Roark-Sullivan, with the intent to review the lease (as well as others) to see if any
responsibilities such as rent could be passed on to the organizations to offset the City’s
costs. For example, it was mentioned that the utility bill at the Roosevelt Building is
$16,000 a month.

Speaking specifically to the Roark-Sullivan building, Councilmember Pharr stated that
the Committee was going to explore options for the 50-year lease (37 years are
remaining). Councilmember Snodgrass asked if the Attorney’s Office had reviewed it,
and asked if the building could be given to them. Chief of Staff, Matt Sutton, replied that
it was part of the conversation. Councilmember Adams said that one of the biggest
issues is that replacing things like the HVAC system would be ridiculously expensive for
the organizations. Councilmember Snodgrass asked what was proposed during the last
meeting. Councilmember Adams said they were mostly trying to gather information at
that point, since they had not yet seen the leases. 2 of the leases are set to expire in
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Councilmember Adams stated that for the Roark-Sullivan building, the City pays
maintenance expenses and utilities. Last year, that was about $30,000. Councilmember
Snodgrass asked if the Committee received any sort of direction concerning that.
Councilmember Pharr responded that the Committee will need to make some sort of
recommendation as to what they would want to do with the leases, particularly the ones
that will be expiring in the next few years. Each lease is very different depending on who
occupies it, whether it be a restaurant, non-profit, etc. They will need to be mindful of
how those organizations will be able to afford the huge expenses that the City is
currently covering. If language already exists in the lease that says the organization
could be responsible for that, it would help to offset the City’s costs.

Councilmember Adams stated that since the non-profit groups are receiving such a
great deal, the organizations would almost certainly never want to take ownership of the
building and all of the associated costs. Councilmember Snodgrass asked that if the
building was donated, would the City be liable for the lease. Councilmember Adams
said that would be up to the attorney, although it seemed like the City would be. He
further stated that the City spent $204,000 in Maintenace fees for the 4 properties
(Roark-Sullivan, Smith Street Station, Sojourners and Mel Wolfe Center).
Councilmember Snodgrass asked if the value of the Roark-Sullivan property was
known, so that they could determine if the property was an asset or liability; that number
was not known at that time. Councilmember Adams added that for that property, the
City spent $20,000 on maintenance and $30,000 on utilities. Councilmember Campbell
said the Committee will need to decide if the City wants to keep sinking money into the
facility because they think it’s a good service to the community, or decide if they want to
sell the property. Councilmember Adams added that when some of these organizations
were started, the City probably took on so much of the costs to help them get started.

Councilmember Pharr asked if any of the organizations were paying utilities. Sutton
answered that 2 were (Smith Street Station and Mel Wolfe Center) and 2 were not
(Roark-Sullivan and Sojourners). Councilmember Snodgrass asked what the lease
payments were; it was answered there were no lease payments. Sutton confirmed that
they have their own liability insurance and the City has insurance on the building.
Councilmember Pharr said that the Committee will have to have conversations with
Sojourners and Roark-Sullivan to begin discussing the utilities at a minimum. Sutton
said that the Committee could make a recommendation to the Administration to start
that conversation, or the Committee could do that themselves.

Councilmember Campbell recommended the Committee start the conversation and ask
for the Administration for its position. Sutton replied that the most the Administration had
discussed with the organizations was concerning which maintenance belongs to the
City and which belongs to the organization. For example, the Administration has had a
discussion with one of the organizations over air filters. When they examined the lease,
it seemed like that would fall under routine maintenance, which the group would cover.
At the Smith Street Station building, the car wreck that tore down some of the brick was
clearly the City’s responsibility. Additionally, they have been exploring what happens if


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the organizations fail to provide that routine maintenance which leads to larger
problems. Councilmember Minardi confirmed that the maintenance cost provided did
not include the cost of City labor. Councilmember Snodgrass confirmed that the Roark-
Sullivan lease was valid as it had passed Council in 2007.

Councilmember Pharr stated that the Committee’s options were to bring in the
organizations for a discussion, or recommend that the Administration do that.
Councilmember Minardi said the Committee should absolutely talk to them about
utilities, the bigger question being if the City wanted to keep the property.
Councilmember Snodgrass was of the opinion to give the facilities to the organizations.
Councilmember Minardi said there might some legal issues with that. Councilmember
Pharr stated that Sojourners is not interested at all in having ownership. Sutton added
that as the leases start to expire, further decisions would have to be made.

Councilmember Snodgrass said she didn’t know what options there would be for the 50-
year lease. Councilmember Adams said the Committee could see if they could have
them pay their utilities. Councilmember Snodgrass asked if the City could ever sell the
Roark-Sullivan building, being bound by a 50-year lease. From the audience,
Councilmember Jenkins said he believed there was case law pertaining to binding
future City Councils to limit these types of leases to 1 year, so there may be a possibility
to alter that lease. Councilmember Snodgrass recommended that the Committee
needed to know where it stood in regard to the lease before they could begin to
negotiate. Councilmember Campbell requested that the City Attorney review the lease
for the Roark-Sullivan building, and give the Committee possible options. Specifically,
Councilmember Campbell said they would want to know what would happen if the City
were to divest itself of the property. Councilmember Snodgrass agreed. Councilmember
Adams added that 50 years is the maximum allowed lease time per State code.

Councilmember Pharr said they will also want to have a conversation about the utilities,
specifically with Roark-Sullivan (are they doing the preventative maintenance, how
often, etc.). Councilmember Adams said he interpreted the lease to read that the
organization should be paying utilities. Councilmember Snodgrass asked if the lease
would be void if the organization is technically violating it. Councilmember Minardi
wasn't sure, as the City had been allowing that to happen for years. Councilmember
Knauff said they might be able to use that to get out of the lease (which was not a
recommendation, just an option). Councilmember Minardi confirmed that Roark-Sullivan
had never paid a lease as far as the current Administration knows. Councilmember
Snodgrass said if the Committee was to be charged with making recommendations,
then they would need to discuss things like whether an organization was honoring their
lease. Councilmember Adams added that the Roark-Sullivan lease was enacted over 10
years ago, and their current leadership may not be aware of every stipulation contained
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Councilmember Pharr recommended that the conversations with the organizations
happen within the Committee, which would be open to the public. The Committee can
ask them if they are aware of the terms of their leases, and will additionally ask the City
Attorney to review the leases with the Committee’s questions in mind. Councilmember
Minardi added that if the Committee decided not to review the upcoming expiring
leases, they should give the organizations proper notice to prepare. Councilmember
Adams suggested that they Committee alert the organizations that they will be
discussing leases and finances. Councilmember Snodgrass asked why they hadn’t
been sent a letter stating the fact that they hadn’t been paying the lease or utilities.
Councilmember Adams said that was most likely because this is new information that
has come to light relatively recently.

Councilmember Campbell asked if the City should send out a certified letter before they
met with the Committee; Councilmember Adams recommended reaching out to them
informally. Councilmember Snodgrass said it would be good for the Committee to know
what parts of the leases are not being honored. Councilmember Knauff suggested that
they ask the City to produce a letter stating that there are possible violations of the
lease, asking them to meet with the Committee to give them enough time to put
together any financial information etc. Councilmember Minardi added that there wasn’t
anything wrong with the Committee asking the City Attorney to uphold the terms of the
lease, and for the Committee to bring the organizations in for a conversation.
Councilmember Knauff thought it would be a good idea to have the City Attorney review
the lease, send the Committee and the organizations their findings and ask them to
meet with the Committee for a discussion. Councilmember Snodgrass agree that the
intent of the meeting should be made clear.

Mayor Goodwin added that most Councilmembers and members of the community
probably don’t even realize that the City owns those buildings and supplement them
with City funds. She gave the example of how the City supplements the Humane
Association’s budget because of the service they provide to the City. She posited that
perhaps the money spent on those buildings (as a result of being occupied by non-profit
organizations) be similarly recognized in the budget. Additionally, she did not think it
would an interrogation to bring in the groups to ask how they operate (since the City
pays for the facility), and how the City can help to keep the cost down. She suggested
that the Committee might also want to tour those facilities. Councilmember Snodgrass
suggested having a standard way to record the information presented to the Committee.

Councilmember Pharr said that no matter how it is presented to them, it will be a shock
to Roark-Sullivan to have to pay utilities since they have never been required to do so. It
would be best, in her opinion, to have the Committee meet with them. Councilmember
Snodgrass advised caution, as the mentioned organizations are not the only 501(c)(3)
that are subsidized by the City. To have certain standards for one group but not all,
could put the City in a dangerous situation. Councilmember Campbell wondered if there
were any grants the organizations could pursue to help supplement the cost of the
lease, utilities, etc. Councilmember Snodgrass confirmed that one of the organizations


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has a substantial foundation.

Councilmember Pharr asked the Committee how they would like to proceed. The
Committee decided to invite 2 groups at a time (at the same meeting, but not at once) to
reviewing all the leases and ask for a financial picture of the organization, starting with
Roark-Sullivan and Smith Street. Sojourners and Mel Wolfe will be invited to the
following meeting.




Councilmember Campbell motioned to adjourn the meeting. Councilmember Minardi
seconded.

Meeting adjourned.




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MINUTES
 FACILITIES COMMITTEE MEETING

 5:30 P. M., FEBRUARY 24, 2021

 A/V CONFERENCE ROOM

Jennifer Pharr, Chairperson, called the meeting of the Charleston City Council Committee
on Facilities to order at 5:30p.m., FEBRUARY 24, 2020, in the Audio/Visual Room in City
Hall.

Committee Members Present:
Jennifer Pharr, Chair
Courtney Persinger
Naomi Bays
Brady Campbell
Sam Minardi
Chad Robinson
Shannon Snodgrass


 1. Approval of Previous Minutes – Councilmember Campbell moved to approve the
minutes of the previous meeting on 3-2-2020. Councilmember Minardi seconded. There
was no objection and the minutes were approved.

 2. Discussion with Current Tenants –
Councilmember Campbell stated that in late December, Jamie Dickenson (owner of
Yoga Power) reached out to him with complaints and concerns about 601 Morris Street.
During the colder weather, people had been utilizing the building to do drugs, sleep,
etc., as well as damaging and vandalizing the building. He began working with the
Administration with ideas of how to safeguard the building. For instance, there used to
be a feature that would lock the elevator from accessing a floor during off hours.

Dickenson added that she is in the 5th year of her lease. When she first moved in, the
building was full and well kept. Now there are many vacancies. When they leave at
night, her business locks the stairwell doors and bathrooms. She added that the
problems really started in November. The group from the University of Charleston was
loud and disruptive to her business. She met with the Director of General Services to
walk with him around the building and asked why the outside doors couldn’t be locked.
Additionally, they have found doors propped open, people sleeping in the stairwells and
needles in the stairwells. She felt like the majority of the problems could be fixed if the
security systems that are in place were implemented properly.

 Councilmember Campbell shared pictures with the Committee taken during his recent
trip to the building that showed vandalism, unsanitary conditions, burn marks and bodily


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fluids in the stairwells. He noted that anyone can access the basement, which contains
valuable equipment, the electrical system, internet for the building and the security
systems for the building. He noted broken sewage pipes and bags of keys left by the
previous tenants.

Councilmember Snodgrass asked how the building got to this point, and if there was a
maintenance schedule etc. City Manager, Jonathan Storage, replied that there is a
dedicated custodial staff assigned to the building. However, the City had recently
struggled to fill a retirement within that Department, and its resources were stretched
thin. They have recently filled that vacancy, so there will now be someone back to full
time at the Morris Building. He added that some of those issues had already been
addressed. Storage stated that the University of Charleston Baseball team has never
had authority from the City to utilize any of the baseball facilities there, adding that issue
has been remedied. The City has reached out to a security firm to conduct an
assessment of the doors and other security systems. The CPD has dedicated some of
their resources to patrol the building during the evening and night. The Police Academy
Association and the NOA group will also be relocated to the first floor of that building.
He added that they are also consulting with a real estate agent about marketing the
open vacancies. He will be getting in touch with the General Maintenance manager to
discuss how to correct issues such as securing access to the basement or access to
keys left.

Deb Weinstein, from the YWCA (that occupies the Mel Wolfe and Sojourner’s
buildings), stated that they have had a good relationship with the City; the General
Maintenance Manager has been very helpful. There has been a drug issue at
Sojourner’s, as opposed to the Mel Wolfe facility which is completely fenced. In early
2017, needles and drugs were being snuck into the Sojourner’s facility. They have
implemented periodic searched with drug dogs as well as thorough bag searches upon
entry to the building.

Councilmember Robinson asked if the issues with Morris Street Building are recent, due
to Covid-19 and lack of baseball games being played. Dickenson replied that the
building was very active when the baseball team was there, and there was always a
police presence during baseball games. She started to notice problems after the team
left the building. There have always been problems with the outside doors being open.
Mayor Goodwin added that they have been working on keeping baseball in the City, and
will have an announcement the following day.

Councilmember Minardi asked Weinstein if there had been any incidents in which an
employee or volunteer had been stuck with a needle, and had there been an increase in
needle and drug use during the pandemic. Weinstein replied that there was a definite
increase in 2017, adding that it has been consistently bad since. They refer their clients
with addiction to Health Right. She was aware of at least one incident in which someone
working on their duct work was stuck by a needle.

Councilmember Snodgrass added that she hoped they can do better, and asked if there



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was an action plan to follow up with tenants. Mayor Goodwin added that, in addition to
Storage’s previous statement, she will be there every week and they will be given
a written report. Dickenson added that she was appreciative of the City’s response.
Weinstein added that the Mayor does not need to visit their facilities every week; their
relationship with the City is very positive and there have been no concerns.

Councilmember Robinson added that the problem will most likely resolve itself with
increased activity in the building. They need to ensure that the building is cleaned up
and safe for the tenants.


 3. Discussions of Current City Leases – Executive Session -
Councilmember Bays motioned to move into executive session due to the discussion of
City leases being a sensitive matter. Councilmember Snodgrass seconded the motion.
With no objection, the Committee moved into Executive Session.

Councilmember Bays motioned to leave Executive Session. Councilmember Snodgrass
seconded the motion. With no objection, the Committee ended the Executive Session.

 4. Old Business/ New Business –
Councilmember Pharr announced that the Committee had returned from Executive
Session.




Councilmember Minardi motioned to adjourn the meeting. Meeting adjourned.



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