Wards 2 & 3 NPA — Burlington, VT
Date: 2024-07-11
Time: 18:30

Wards 2 and 3 Neighborhood Planning Assembly
 Thursday, July 11, 2024, 6:30 - 8:30pm
 Join in person: ONE Community Center, 20 Allen St.
 Join virtually: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85860854764
 Community dinner: 5:30-6:30pm | Dinner: Pizza, salad, and brownies

Moderator: Erika Faulkner Notetaker: Roxanne Meuse
6:30 pm Introductions & Announcements | 5 min
 1. Adopt the agenda
 2. NPA Steering Committee member introductions
6:35 pm Public Forum | 10 min (2 minutes max per person)
 Please state your full name, pronouns, street, and ward, and follow the NPA ground rules.

6:45 pm Brief updates on CityPlace + how to learn more | 15 min
 Jesse Robbins and Alyssa Dirks, Freeman French Freeman
 Updates on Phase 1 (“the pit“ and Pine & St Paul Streets) and Phase 2 (the LL Bean building &
 the Church St mall), followed by 5 min for Q&A

 Candidate Forums
Each candidate has 2 minutes for an opening statement, a closing statement, and to respond to each question.
If every candidate fills their time, we’ll have time for 5 questions for each forum. When asking questions,
please be brief and to-the-point. Keep questions issue-based and directed to all candidates.

7:00 pm Candidate forum | Vermont State House • Chittenden 17 District | 30 min
 Hear from the candidates for Chittenden-17 in the Vermont State House and ask questions
 about their positions and perspectives. Candidates (for 1 seat): Abbey Duke, Missa Aloisi

7:35 pm Candidate forum | Vermont State Senate • Chittenden Central District | 50 min
 Hear from the candidates for Vermont State Senate and ask questions about their positions and
 perspectives. Candidates (for 3 seats):
 Phil Baruth, Martine Larocque Gulick, Stewart Ledbetter, Tanya Vyhovsky

8:25 pm Raffle prize + Adjourn!
 Thank you for coming! Our next meeting is Thursday, September 12.




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Ward 2 NPA Steering Committee
Lauren Ebersol Ward 2 lebersol27@gmail.com
Erika Faulkner Ward 2 efaulkner013@gmail.com
Mollie Klepack Flanigan Ward 2 mollieklepack@gmail.com
Jessica Hyman Ward 2 jessicahymanvt@gmail.com
Roxanne Meuse Ward 2 rtmeuse@gmail.com


Ward 3 NPA Steering Committee
Michelle Borbas Ward 3 sarno75@gmail.com
Chris Haessly Ward 3 haessly@adelphia.net
Amy Prenowitz Ward 3 aprenowitz@gmail.com
Jess Robbins Ward 3 jessiemayrobbins@gmail.com
Charlie Messing Ward 3 charliemessing@gmail.com


To email both Steering Committees: wards2and3npa@googlegroups.com




 Appendix to agenda | Wards 2 & 3 NPA - Page 1
About Neighborhood Planning Assemblies (NPAs)
A section of Burlington City Council resolution first adopted in 1982 establishing provisions for a
Neighborhood Planning Assembly in each City ward.
…Neighborhood Planning Assemblies shall... help provide citizens with information concerning city programs
and activities; help obtain citizen views of city needs; help provide citizens with the opportunity to participate in
making recommendations with respect to governmental decisions including the allocation of revenues.
...Assemblies shall also be encouraged to provide advice to the appropriate commission or this council with
respect to community development, housing programs, this City's Comprehensive Plan and its waterfront
planning activities, and the city's budget among other issues....


NPA GUIDING PRINCIPLES:
 ● Operate through democratic principles and democratic procedures;
 ● Provide a safe and welcoming forum where residents can actively share their voices about issues that
 matter to them, and where they can learn from the voices of others;
 ● Cultivate involvement by a diverse spectrum of community members through active outreach and
 through eliminating barriers to participation;
 ● Operate in a manner that models respectful, inclusive, culturally, and economically aware practices;
 and
 ● Be a fun, creative, and vital organization that provides value and benefit through the multitude of
 perspectives shared by those who participate.


NPA GROUND RULES:
 ● Meetings should have clearly defined Agenda & Roles.
 ● Honor Time limits: A best effort must be made to start on time, follow the agenda, and finish on
 time.
 ● Listen to others: Make efforts to be an open-minded member of the group.
 ● Respect the agenda and the process: Try to remain focused on the issue at hand.
 ● Share your opinion respectfully: Speak out, but not over, others’ comments.
 ● Treat people how you would like to be treated: Be respectful of everyone, including guests.




 Appendix to agenda | Wards 2 & 3 NPA - Page 2
Elected officials representing Wards 2 and 3
Mayor:

 Mayor Emma Mulvaney-Stanak Progressive mayor@BurlingtonVT.gov


City Councilors:
 Central District (Wards 2 & 3) Melo Grant Progressive megrant@burlingtonvt.gov 802-310-0962
 Ward 2 Gene Bergman Progressive gbergman@burlingtonvt.gov 802-598-3602
 Ward 3 Joe Kane Progressive jkane@burlingtonvt.gov 802-391-4394


School Board Members:

 Central District (Wards 2 & 3) Jean Waltz jwaltz@bsdvt.org 802-355-7856

 Ward 2 Polly Vanderputten pvanderputten@bsdvt.org 802-578-8653
 Ward 3 Saja Almogalli salmogalli@bsdvt.org


Vermont State House Representatives:
 Chittenden-15 Troy Headrick Progressive/Democrat theadrick@leg.state.vt.us

 Chittenden-15 Brian Cina Progressive/Democrat bcina@leg.state.vt.us (802) 828-2228

 Chittenden-16 Kate Logan Progressive/Democrat klogan@leg.state.vt.us (802) 828-2228

 Chittenden-16 Jill Krowinski Democrat jkrowinski@leg.state.vt.us (802) 828-2228

 Chittenden-17 Abigail Duke Democrat aduke@leg.state.vt.us (802) 828-2228


Vermont State Senators:

 Chittenden-Central Tanya Vyhovsky Progressive/Democrat tvyhovsky@leg.state.vt.us (802) 828-2228

 Chittenden-Central Martine Gulick Democrat mgulick@leg.state.vt.us (802) 828-2228

 Chittenden-Central Philip Baruth Democrat/Progressive pbaruth@leg.state.vt.us (802) 503-5266




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Wards 2 and 3 Neighborhood Planning Assembly - NOTES
 Thursday, July 11, 2024, 6:30 - 8:30pm
 Join in person: ONE Community Center, 20 Allen St.
 Join virtually: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85860854764
 Community dinner: 5:30-6:30pm | Dinner: Pizza, salad, and brownies

Moderator: Erika Faulkner Notetaker: Roxanne Meuse Time Keeper: Lauren Ebersol
Other Steering Committee members present: Chris Haessly, Michelle Borbas
Attendees: See last page
6:30 pm Introductions & Announcements | 5 min
6:35 pm Public Forum | 10 min (2 minutes max per person)
 ● Lauren Ebersol (poll workker): Ward 2 will vote at the ONE Community Center on August 13. And poll
 workers needed!
 ● Melo Grant (city councilor): Budget is done! Gave updates from the community safety group
 ● Sam (Ward 3 clerk): Needs people to help out at the polls! You get paid.
 ● Charlie Giannoni: Intervale just got flooded. Go to the Invervale’s website to help volunteer or donate

6:45 pm Brief updates on CityPlace + how to learn more | 15 min
Jesse Robbins and Alyssa Dirks, Freeman French Freeman
Several project owners also present
Note: These are technically two separate projects with different owners; they just both happen to have updates
today, and FFF happened to be hired for both.
CityPlace’s website

Phase 1B (“the pit“ and Pine & St Paul Streets)
 ● See presentation slides for Phase 1B
 ● Changed brick colors
 ● Extended the top floor
 ● Adding balconies
 ● Total of 373 residential units across Phase 1. 75 are permanently affordable based on CEDO’s definition.
 ● If questions or complaints, contact Dave Farrington
 ● If you or anyone you know is looking for employment, call us

Phase 2 (the LL Bean building & the Church St mall),



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 ● See presentation slides for Phase 2
Jesse: Hoping to have more public forums, will coordinate with NPAs. Keep an eye out on Front Porch Forum.

Questions:
 ● Q: Why is Phase 2 only two floors?
 ○ Financing reasons
 ● Q: Aesthetic suggestion: Blocking colors on the “pit” building are probably going to look a little
 outdated soon
 ● Q: Theo (renter, union organizer): What tax breaks have you received? CUrious about the decision to
 increase the # of hotel units. Seems like putting profits over our lives.
 ○ We’ve received zero tax breaks
 ○ With the hotel, it’s like threading a needle. To keep number of housing units as high as possible,
 but needed the hotel to finance the whole building construction and sustaining.
 ○ And we also need tourism, so need hotels.
 ○ Added many hotel rooms, but did not remove many housing units
 ● Q: Lucy Gluck (Blodgett St): When will apartments be available?
 ○ First building: Occupancy next sprint
 ○ Second building: A year after that
 ● Q: Missa Aloisi (Strong St): Is there a plan for the future to build higher onto Phase 2 when there might
 be more financing?
 ○ We’re setting up the structure to allow for adding to it later.
 ● Q: Melo Grant: What is the mix of types of housing units?
 ○ Mix of studios, one bedrooms, 2-bedrooms. About 100 student housing beds in 30-something
 units.
 ○ Phase 2: Also a mix: studios to 4-bedrooms
 ● Q: Charlie Giannoni: What’s your report card for construction?
 ○ Dave: Thinks it’s pretty good since his phone isn’t buzzing all the time. We’re careful about
 coordinating with the school, trucks. Responsive to businesses and anyone calling.




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 Candidate Forums

7:00 pm Candidate forum | Vermont State House • Chittenden 17 District | 30 min
Candidates (for 1 seat): Abbey Duke, Missa Aloisi

Opening remarks:
 ● Missa Aloisi: Strong St Ward 2, 14 years there. Running because there needs to be more people like me
 representing us in the state house - queer parent of young kids. Small business owner. Low-income
 family (wife a paraeducator). Architect by profession. Worksk to make architecture affordable and
 accessible.
 ● Abbey Duke: Ward 7 in Village Green neighborhood. Burlington for 26 years - ONE before now. Has
 worked different careers, then opened SugarSnap Catering. Wants to bring the perspective of
 growing/building a business. Went through a lot of difficult years, including making payroll. Ingredients
 from the Intervale so climate change is high on her mind.
Question from Melo Grant: Can you address what you understand to be the public safety concerns right now?
I’ve felt we’ve been abandoned by state government.
 ● Missa: Knows how overtaxed first responders are. needs to be a partnership between city and state.
 We’re taking the burden/brunt of the work to address the mental health crisis and we need the funds.
 ● Abbey: It’s clear the state hasn’t put in enough resources. It’s interconnected with multiple crises -
 homelessness, substance abuse, affordability.

Question from Lucy Gluck (Blodgett St, Ward 2): How do you feel about the F35s and would you raise that as
an issue to get rid of them?
 ● Abbey: Short answer yes. Believes the guide should work to find another mission
 ● Missa: Likewise. IAA essentially shuts down when they’re going over, so chunks of time when kids are
 not learning.

Question from Brandon (ONE): Affordability: State min wage is 13.66/hr. Do you think that’s good, if not then
what is?
 ● Missa: Should be liveable, not minimum. We’ve taken steps forward but it’s not enough.
 ● Abbey: Affordability is a fundamental crisis in our city. Wages don’t keep up to afford housing,
 childcare. it’s criminal. Would support a higher one, but would need to look at data and analysis to
 know what.

Question from Nick Parish (Lafountain St Ward 2): Legislature passed Act 48(?) for universal healthcare but it
didn’t pass. Would you fight for this?
 ● Abbey: Absolutely believes in universal healthcare. There are some good events coming up. July 29
 event is one of them
 ● Missa: Healthcare is a human right and it should be universal. Has been back and forth on/off Medicaid
 depending on profit. Need to expand Medicaid to cover working families in the middle zone. This is
 interconnected with other issues as well.

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Question from Jonathan Chapple-Sokel (Ward 1): How will you leverage the power of 11 Burlington
representatives to do something in the state house? Or to work on county solutions?
 ● Abbey: Grew up in county government. We have a lot of towns and school districts in VT and would
 like to see more collaboration between them.
 ● Missa: Grew up on a farm in rural Mass. Father is a Republican and grew up not supporting gay
 marriage, but now does. It’s a long game of shifting values, to realize we’re all much closer than we
 actually think. In the statehouse it’s about building relationships and talking about how we’re the same.

Question (missed name) (in VT Coalition for Palestinian Liberation): Where would you land on declaring
Burlington and VT an apartheid-free state, and where you stand on divestment?
 ● Missa: Absolutely in support of all of that. Should be divesting from a lot of things, not just those
 participating in genocide. Fossil fuels too.
 ● Abbey: Would support creating criteria about what to divest from. Am pro-peace. Pro-Palestinian state.
 Tends to think we should keep international politics out of city politics - not sure if it’s helpful.
Question from Hayden (Lafountain St Ward 2, clinical social worker): Curious on their ideas on addressing the
designated agency (DA) system (like Howard Center is for Burlington) - it’s falling apart.
 ● Abbey: Those folks are on the frontlines of the interconnecting crises. Fundamental reform is needed.
 Would support looking into this and listening to those on the frontlines.
 ● Missa: Has close family that’s experienced homelessness. Having people getting paid minimum wage
 taking care of those in crisis isn’t the way. We could bandaid but need to rework the system. If we had
 solutions, it’d ripple out too.

Question from Theo: Do you support rent control?
 ● Abbey: Yes. That said: There’s a statewide law that doesn’t allow municipalities to set rents. Would
 advocate to change that state law. A good model: the law for mobile home parks: If you want to raise
 the rent more than a set amount, you have to go to the state to ask permission. A rent review model
 like that could work.
 ● Missa: We live in a scarcity mindset. And the cost of construction is really high. Needs to be a win for
 both renter and developer. Rent control is a way. Could be based on looking at the longevity of a
 property, maybe property tax incentives for landlords who give a reduction in rent. Need to have a
 conversation and look holistically. How much profit do you need to make?

Closing remarks
 ● Abbey: Has taken part in a lot of public service - parks committee, businesses for social responsibility.
 Lobbied at the state house. Good at taking in information and filtering it. Looking at data, doing the
 research. Has two kids - incoming 9th and 11th graders at BHS - deeply committed to public schools.
 ● Missa: Has been working with Emma over the past couple years - bringing issues to Emma to bring to
 the statehouse. Has done some shadowing at the state house. National politics are scary and has fear
 about that, but feels local politics provides hope and a way forward. Her job as an architect is to ask
 what do you need and how can I help. It’s about bringing people to the table.



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7:35 pm Candidate forum | Vermont State Senate • Chittenden Central District | 50 min
 Hear from the candidates for Vermont State Senate and ask questions about their positions and
 perspectives. Candidates (for 3 seats):
 Phil Baruth, Martine Larocque Gulick, Stewart Ledbetter, Tanya Vyhovsky

Opening remarks:
 ● Phil: Has been senator for 14 years. Currently senate president pro tem. In January, half the senate will
 have 2 years or less in the senate - which is great, but institutional knowledge is dwindling. Wants to go
 back for 2 years to lead the senate through the rest of the generational change. | In this session, Gov
 Scott vetoed a historical amount, and the
 ● Martine: Has spent whole live in public service as educator, librarian, school board member. Vice Chair
 of Senate Education, and serves on Health and Welfare Committee.
 ● Tanya: Did one term in house before this recent term in the senate. Clinical social worker. Grew up in
 single parent working household. Learned that the systems don’t work for families like hers. Needs
 representation in the system to change that. | Is one of 2 renters in the senate since can’t afford to buy
 a home here. Wants to make a place where everyone can thrive.
 ● Stewart: Retired in February after a career in broadcast news and political journalism. Lives in
 Winooski. His career included covering the legislature. Housing is number one issue in our state.
 Healthcare is no better off. Ready to tackle all of them.

Nolan Rogers (North St Ward 3): 1) How many properties do you own? 2) What are the systematic issues you
see that have gotten us to to the housing crisis
 ● Martine: One house. Has rented here and overseas before owning here so has that perspective.
 Overseas, it was more transparent, rules were more explicit, felt secure in housing. 70% of population
 in Germany rents. Systematic issues: Demographic trends have been happening for decades; is baffled
 the state legislature could have seen this and hasn’t planned. We should be planning out 10, 20 years
 ahead. | We need more housing, affordable and missing middle.
 ● Tanya: Renter. It’s also about the stagnant wages and profiteering. Short term rentals need to be
 regulated. A lot of second home ownership. Helped get people who had been evicted for no cause
 come to the state house and tell their story. Has also seen a great housing model in Vienna and been in
 touch with legislators there, plus in the US. Need paths to homeownership as well.
 ● Stewart: Owns one house. | There are only 22 houses in Chittenden County under $450,000 right now.
 We’re in a hole that’s been building for years. We’re an aging state and if our young people can’t afford
 to stay here, who will fill the jobs and generate income tax revenue to keep the economy humming?
 We need to amp up supply of every sort: ADUs. And need to clamp down on out of state buyers buying
 houses to create short-term rentals. Open to just cause eviction.
 ● Phil: One house. | [Notetaker missed the first part] Act 250 has made Vermont what it is. But prevents
 more housing. Will look into Airbnb regulation next time.

Laura Soloman (Church St condo): 4 condos in her building are second homes that are empty most of the year.
Since so many people can’t get one house, what can we do about this?


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 ● Tanya: We have two mechanisms of property tax: homestead and non-homestead. We’ve worked to
 use this, but it’s a blunt instrument. Hawaii has 12 categories of property tax, so if we can do that here,
 we could bring more housing online.
 ● Stewart: 15% of our housing in VT is vacant much of the time. We’re in a deep hole. Taxing second
 homes, regulating airbnbs, and more things will help.
 ● Phil: Short-term rental tech model: Disruptors are meant to break the system, not work within it.
 Airbnb doesn’t care if they’re pulling potential homes/rentals off the market. I’ve never seen a
 response like he’s seen this year on data privacy, but the lobbyists poured into the statehouse. When
 we try to go after airbnb, that will happen again. So we need to build support in local groups, and be
 prepared to lobby in the state house.
 ● Martine: Don’t have much to add. We need folks with political will to stand up and make hard decisions
 and I’m and my colleagues are here for it.

Nick Parish (Lafountain St Ward 2): Will you work for universal healthcare and make sure Act 48 is followed
through.
 ● Stewart: Would love to see universal healthcare in Vermont. Would support medicare for all.
 Healthcare costs are soaring. There’s a big conversation in Vermont about keeping our hospitals open.
 ● Phil: Dr Chau from Taiwan had come to the state and came up with a payroll tax of ~12%. And Peter
 Shumlin knew this would be the tax and didn’t let it pass. In the wake of that, we need to work on
 paying for primary care.
 ● Martine: Yes. It’s been fascinating/horrifying to be the clerk of the healthcare committee. The medical
 system is very broken and every day on that committee is a mind-blowing experience. But we passed
 great legislation this year: S98 (will give the Green Mountain Care board…), Pharmacy Benefit Manager
 Bill, requiring Medicaid to pay for doula services, and more.
 ● Tanya: Helped get Act 48 passed. Has personal experience in this system in this issue. Worked on
 expanding Dr Dinosaur, need to work with surrounding states, and 11% payroll tax sounds better than
 15% increase every year in premiums. And this year they created the Universal Healthcare Caucus.

Jon Chapple-Sokol (Ward 1): UVM: What can the senate and house do to manage student numbers,
relationship between city and university?
 ● Phil: Has taught at UVM for 30 years, member of the union. The university has hurt not helped this
 problem, though is building a new grad school housing. But has refused to negotiate with the city on a
 cap on enrollment or commitment to build units. They want to bring in students, but not pay to house
 them. | State house made it so when UVM came to the state house asking for money, they’d have to
 say how far they’ve come to address M/F parity on their board, and to have union members on it.
 ● Martine: Was disappointed to see the plans between UVM and City fell through. Seems we need to
 repair the relationship to do what’s right by everybody. UVM needs to build more housing. What’s
 happening is exacerbating our housing situation. Will do what she can in the senate.
 ● Tanya: The state doesn’t actually give the university that much money. So taking that away might not
 help. General Assembly doesn’t have much control over UVM’s housing or student cap, but they do
 select members to board of trustees. so they could ask more questions on when they vet.


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 ● Stewart: The tension between the city and uvm goes back a long ways. The City likes to say they can’t
 compel their students to live on campus beyond sophomore year. Sense is that UVM would like to do
 the right thing if they can make the numbers work. It’s a complicated thing.

Patrick Johnson (Green St): You can get charged an alarming amount of money per day for your car to be
towed. There was a bill to work on that, what happened?
 ● Phil: There was a study to look at excess towing fees. Would be happy to sponsor that bill.
 ● Martine: Echoes that
 ● Tanya: Would also support the bill and cosponsor bill. Lobbyists.
 ● Stewart: Has also been victimized by

Closing statements + responding to Melo’s question on addressing the substance abuse crisis.
 ● Stewart: Housing is #1 issue facing our state. So many social problems stem from that. Livability and
 healthcare next, and downtown Burlington. Burlington is facing twin social challenges of homelessness
 and addiction. Scott administration has got to do a better job supporting Burlington. Fourth issue is
 climate. Need to push for 100% renewable energy.
 ● Phil: Also wants to talk about gun safety. Has been a key issue going back 12 years. We’ve made
 progress. We won’t be safe as a state unless we have a ban on assault weapons. Will be introducing a
 ban on assault weapons in January if reelected and will fight for it.
 ● Martine: Is asking what has the governor done to break the back of the opioid crisis. When those
 running say they want to work with the governor, what does that mean? Are you willing to break with
 what you believe in?
 ● Tanya: The long-term way to address substance abuse is to respond to despair. Needs to be full of
 choices. The criminal justice system is the worst place to help these folks. In the meantime, overdose
 prevention centers and housing.




8:35 pm Raffle prize + Adjourn!
 Thank you for coming! Our next meeting is Thursday, September 12.




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