Appearance Commission — Skokie, IL
Date: 2023-10-11

Date: October 9, 2023
To: Village of Skokie Appearance Commission
Regarding: Proposed Development of Property Located at 4600 Main Street
 (Appearance Commission Application 2022-067A)
Residents of the neighborhood encompassing 4600 Main Street have serious reservations
about the site development plan as proposed to the Village of Skokie, including but not limited
to the significant building mass and lack of transitioning with neighboring properties, the
selection of facade materials that are incongruous with the neighborhood, construction density
far in excess of all similar developments in Skokie, lack of community input, and the low-quality
privacy fence proposed along the north property line. This letter provides a summary of these
concerns for the Appearance Commission’s consideration:
1. Building Mass. The petitioner’s plan calls for the construction of 12 buildings with a uniform
3-story building height throughout the site. This will stand in stark contrast to the 1- and 2-story
single family and multifamily homes that make up the majority of the development’s
immediate neighbors. Furthermore, the petitioner is proposing to reduce greenspace on the
subject property to 30%, down considerably from the 47% currently present. Finally, the
petitioner has not applied for a “planned development” designation, and as such it should be
held subject to Village Code Section 118-54 that mandates “Not more than 1 principal building
shall be located on a lot, except in a planned development.” If the site were to be subdivided
into lots as required by Code, then the petitioner would be grossly out of compliance with
minimum front yard, rear yard, and lot width requirements, as illustrated in Figure 1. As a
result, the proposed building layouts are overly dense not just for the neighborhood, but for R4
zoning in general.
2. Lack of Transitioning. The sixty-eight 3-story townhouses proposed by the petitioner all are
to be a uniform total height of 35 feet, which they have obscured in their permit drawings by
only reporting a 32-foot height to top of roof. Meanwhile, except for two buildings on the
opposite side of Main Street (29 ft, 8 in. maximum height), neighboring buildings are all two
stories or shorter. The petitioner asks for the Commission’s consideration of only two buildings
located over 130 feet away from the proposed south building elevations rather than the
buildings 85 feet to the west, an average of 85 feet to the north, and 100 feet to the east off its
other building elevations. Despite this, the petitioner has provided no transition of heights to fit
the character of the neighboring properties north of Main Street.
3. Incompatible Building Facade. The petitioner’s proposed building facade is out of character
with the surrounding neighborhood. The proposed buildings do not match the neighborhood
buildings, both in general style and material selection, including the multi-family buildings to
the south. The multi-family buildings are separate structures, the larger of which have open
courtyards to soften and beautify them. The proposed building facades appear industrial,
applied in a patchwork manner, and are overall lackluster in character.
 Re: Proposed Development of Property Located at 4600 Main Street
 October 9, 2023
4. Lack of Conformity with Existing Townhouse Developments. There are four other
developments throughout Skokie’s residential districts that consist of townhouse units with
built-in garages. The petitioner’s proposal vastly exceeds all such developments in terms of unit
density and building mass. The density of these four owner-occupied developments range from
9.2 to 11.9 units per acre, 11.0 units per acre on average, and all include sufficient driveway
space to include supplemental parking immediately in front of each individual garage. These
successful developments are all significantly less dense and better equipped to handle guest
parking than the petitioner has proposed. It is also worth noting that the densest of the existing
developments is surrounded by commercial, business, office assembly industry, and R4 zoning
districts. Data for these developments and a comparison against the petitioner’s proposal are
presented in Table 1.
 Table 1. Data for all existing Skokie townhouse developments similar to proposed
 development at 4600 Main Street.
 Property Property
 Zoning Lot Size # of Units Density Owner
 Name Address
 [sq.ft.] [unit/acre]
 Kingston 7000 Carpenter
 R2 173,366 46 11.6 Residents
 Estates Road
 Laramie Park 7500 Laramie
 R2 103,770 26 10.9 Residents
 Townhomes Avenue
 College Hill 9000 Forestview
 R1 222,200 47 9.2 Residents
 Townhomes Road
 Lincoln Ridge 7400 Lincoln
 R4 249,000 68 11.9 Residents
 Townhomes Avenue
 Average
 - - 187,084 47 11.0 Residents
 Existing
 4600 Main
 4600 Main St. R4 170,928 68 17.3 Developer
 (Proposal)


5. Lack of Community Input. At previous Appearance and Plan Commission meetings, the
commissions encouraged outreach by the petitioner to seek community input on the proposed
plans and appearances, and the petitioner did indeed host three open house sessions. Site
renderings from before and after these sessions are presented in Figure 2 and Figure 3. Typical
building elevations from before and after these sessions are presented in Figure 4 and Figure 5.
We struggle to find any changes that address concerns held by the majority of the community,
or much of any changes at all. Specifically upsetting with regards to appearances, the
petitioner’s architect spoke with community members at length about alternate facade options,
seemingly to no affect. The proposed total building height, meanwhile, increased from 33 feet
to 35 feet.
6. Privacy Fence. The petitioner’s drawings issued for Appearance Commission consideration
reference a privacy fence along the north property line on six pages. Four of those pages refer
to this fence as being 5 feet high, while two pages refer to a 6 foot height. The only
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 October 9, 2023
construction detail for the fence shows it as 5 feet tall, composed of 3/4-inch wood boards. This
might be fitting for the two garbage enclosures on site, but it is insufficient for what should be a
permanent privacy barrier. Since the petitioner has no performance record in Skokie, to allay
maintenance concerns, and to provide better sound isolation against the adjacent driveway,
this privacy fence should made of brick. The petitioner is proposing to construct over 135,000
square feet of masonry and cement facade on site; it certainly does not seem to be too much of
an imposition to require 3,540 square foot of masonry fence. Finally, the plans make no
mention of what is to be done with the existing chain link fence along the north property line
that was installed by the current or previous owner of the subject property. The petitioner
should be compelled to remove this fence unless requested otherwise by any neighboring
property owners.

For the reasons stated above, and for several other reasons not expressed here but held by
neighboring residents, we implore the Village of Skokie Appearance Commission to reject the
petitioner’s proposed development in order to encourage true compromise with the existing
community. The Appearance Commission has been instrumental in affecting change in the
petitioner’s plans in the past, and we ask you to assist with forging a true compromise between
both sides. If the petitioner will not accommodate the reasonable requests of the community,
then we must rely on the Village to support its citizens over the interests of an outside agency.

Respectfully,

The neighbors of 4600 Main Street
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 4'-0"



 21,450 sq.ft.
 overlap




 12'-6" 6'-0"
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 Luz and Associates #1 LLC Site Plan
Figure 1. Site plan illustrating interference (red shading) of Code-required yard geometry (light shaded rectangles) for the twelve proposed buildings (dark shaded rectangles).
Figure 2. Petitioner's site rendering prior to community outreach meetings.




Figure 3. Petitioner's site rendering after three community outreach meetings.
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 October 9, 2023




Figure 4. Petitioner's typical facade material selections prior to community outreach meetings.




Figure 5. Petitioner's typical facade material selections after community outreach meetings.
4600 Main Street - Appearance
Commission Petition - October 2023
The developers of 4600 Main Street have returned to the Appearance Commission for their
October 11 meeting, even while there's an open appeal lodged with the Village about last
month's Plan Commission meeting. Regardless, we have put together a letter summarizing
concerns relevant to the Appearance Commission (building mass, lack of transition to
surrounding properties, incompatible facade appearance, etc.):

Appearance Commission Letter - 4600 Main Street - October 2023

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in agreement with this letter dated October 9, 2023.

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the proposed changes to 4600 Main Street, and please attend the Appearance Commission
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Signatories to Appearance Commission letter dated October 9, 2023, regarding "Proposed Development of Property Located at 4600
 Main Street"

Signature
 No. Timestamp Name Home Address Comments
 1 10/9/2023 22:52 Ken Marley 4651 Elm Terrace
 2 10/9/2023 23:03 Judith Gruber 8646 Kedvale Skokie
 3 10/9/2023 23:19 Shamoon Khan 4633 elm terrace
 Nobody is against new housing or new construction, but the
 Village should be protecting its residents from greedy sellers
 and greedy developers who seek to impose their profit-
 making priorities on the neighborhood's aesthetics and
 4 10/10/2023 0:01 Emi Lynn Yamauchi 4953 West Oakton St. ambiance.
 We're concerned the end result will be as approved by
 committee. We have seen end result not what was presented
 5 10/10/2023 0:35 Gary Kay 8241 Kenneth Av to the committee.
 6 10/10/2023 0:35 Janet Kay 8241 Kenneth Av

 Please preserve our neighborhood and our property values.
 For those on the commission, ask yourselves, would you allow
 7 10/10/2023 1:21 Scott Nelson 4547 Main Street this development across the street from your home?
 8 10/10/2023 3:20 Steven Maatouk 4630 Elm Ter
 9 10/10/2023 5:10 Anthony Codd 8251 Kildare
 10 10/10/2023 5:26 Don Miner 8511 CRAWFORD AVENUE
 11 10/10/2023 6:36 Susan Phillips 4609 Elm Terrace
 12 10/10/2023 6:51 Margaret Petrof 8225 Laramie Ave.
 13 10/10/2023 6:57 Judith Hoffman 8200 Lincoln Ave. #311
 14 10/10/2023 7:02 Avani Khandhar 4621 elm terrace
 15 10/10/2023 7:10 Brittany Campbell Olsen 8316 Kenton Ave
 16 10/10/2023 7:30 Amy Bailey 8305 Kedvale Ave.
 17 10/10/2023 7:58 Richard Cottini 8038 Lowell Ave
 18 10/10/2023 8:22 Alexis Gordon 4654 elm ter, Skokie
 19 10/10/2023 8:38 Chad Schmidt 4624 Elm Terrace
 20 10/10/2023 8:55 Sanela Odzic 4656 Washington Street
 21 10/10/2023 9:43 Arthur Linsner 4618 Elm Terrace, Skokie, IL
 22 10/10/2023 10:23 Henry Lotsof 4609 Elm Terrace, Skokie, IL
 23 10/10/2023 10:36 Rachel VanHoose 60076
 24 10/10/2023 10:51 Renee Brin 4636 ELM TERR
 25 10/10/2023 14:45 G Margolin 4660 Elm Terrrace
 I am a homeowner that resides directly behind the proposed
 development. The proposed development is much too dense
 for the acreage, does not have enough parking for the
 residents and their guests, does not have an appropriate snow
 management plan and lacks green space. It also violates the
 Village's own building codes. The Village should also be
 advocating for the betterment of the community by serving
 the interests of taxpayers and listening to the input of those
 who will be most affected by this development. Instead, the
 Village has ignored the concerns of homeowners and
 community members about this development and dismissed
 the very real problems raised about the development as
 26 10/10/2023 14:51 Sarah Franks 4606 Elm Terrace irrelevant.
 27 10/10/2023 14:55 Shirley Trissell 4708 Main St., unit B Yes, I agree.
 28 10/10/2023 15:46 Lina Suarez 4730 main st D
 29 10/10/2023 16:04 Anita Ross 4554 Main St. Skokie
 30 10/10/2023 17:00 Nadeem 4645 Elm Ter
 31 10/10/2023 17:18 Gerard Hermano 4603 Main St,Unit D
 32 10/10/2023 17:41 Tom Whitaker 8424 Kilpatrick Ave
 33 10/10/2023 17:47 Mary Chapp 4827 Fargo Avenue
 34 10/10/2023 18:06 Richard Rosenberg 8408 Kilbourn Avenue
 35 10/10/2023 18:07 Julie Hermano 4603 Main Street
 36 10/10/2023 18:12 Rose Blumstein 4727 Bobolink Terr
 37 10/10/2023 19:09 Richard Bailey 8305 Kedvale Ave
Signatories to Appearance Commission letter dated October 9, 2023, regarding "Proposed Development of Property Located at 4600
 Main Street"

Signature
 No. Timestamp Name Home Address Comments
 38 10/10/2023 19:46 Tim Mooken 4621 Elm Ter
 39 10/10/2023 19:52 Rachel rosenberg 4320 Bobolink ter
 40 10/10/2023 20:23 Brian Koerner 5000 oakton Middle class housing .. affordable housing needed.
 41 10/10/2023 20:34 Fruzenda Stone 4548 Main Street
 42 10/10/2023 20:36 Nahraine Stone 4548 Main St
 43 10/10/2023 21:57 Jodie Arnaudov 4528 Main St
 44 10/10/2023 22:22 Anne Persaud 8337 Kenton

 no re-zoning, the fence in the back should be 10 feet tall as
 you have no privacy on Elm Terrace because of the heigth of
 the townhouses, and they do not fit into the neighbourhood,
 they are ugly and too tall. if you plant shrubbery by the fence
 it should be on 4600 Main Street. It is too condensed not
 enough grass areas the area is flooding enough as it is. only
 one garbage area for all those town houses , are we going to
 45 10/10/2023 23:21 Bente Vinci 4555 Cleveland Street have a bigger Rat problem.
 46 David Vinci
 47 10/11/2023 10:08 J Fraas 8033 Kenton Ave
 48 10/11/2023 11:10 Steve Rebarchak 4606 Elm Ter
 49 10/11/2023 11:23 Lisa Cleveland 4651 Elm Terrace
 50 10/11/2023 11:26 Jack goldberg 4612 Elm Ter Skokie
 51 10/11/2023 11:26 Jake Jaster 4749 Bobolink Ter
 The village bd is not responsive and is disrespectfu lto its
 52 10/11/2023 11:54 Dr. And Mrs.Ronald Rubenstein 8339 Kostner Ave. Skokie constituents !
 53 Dr. And Mrs.Ronald Rubenstein
 I express concern about the density of space and number of
 people it would supposedly occupy, when Skokie has already
 recently commissioned a multiunit condo building at The
 Highpoint. I also have concern about the impact that these
 multifamily units may have on the local public school district
 and an unsustainable increase in student population for the
 54 10/11/2023 12:13 Alexis Meade 7841 Luna Ave, Morton Grove district.
 55 10/11/2023 12:21 Selma odzic 4460 main st
 56 10/11/2023 12:48 Shiraz Najam 4444 Main Street
 57 10/11/2023 13:05 Erin Schmidt 4624 Elm Terrace
 58 10/11/2023 13:22 Victor Zurczak 8319 Kenton No new buildings on main street
 59 10/11/2023 13:26 Anthony Hidoo 8129 Kenton Ave
 60 10/11/2023 13:35 Cindy Guzman 4512 main st Skokie IL 60076 No tall building!!!!!!
 61 10/11/2023 13:36 Patrick Guzman 4512 Main st Skokie IL 60076 No tall building
 62 10/11/2023 13:37 Stephen Zegledi 4512 Main st Skokie Go build some where else!
 63 10/11/2023 13:38 Stephanie Guzman 4512 Main Street

 64 10/11/2023 15:48 Taghi Tolooi 4603 Main Street unit A Please, No more high density buildings in our peaceful area !!!
 We don’t want increasing busy traffic and high density
 65 10/11/2023 15:54 Zohreh Tolooi 4603 Main Street unit A buildings in our peace full neighborhood!!!!
 66 10/11/2023 16:17 Vincent Giovannone 8144 Kolmar BUTT ASS UGLY
4600 MAIN STREET
APPEARANCE COMMISSION
APPLICATION 2022-067A
Taking a Walk around the
New Neighborhood
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 4600 MAIN STREET
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 4600 MAIN STREET
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 4600 MAIN STREET
 Petitioner’s proposal is not harmonious with the
  existing neighborhood


  Buildings are too large and spaced too closely



  Lacks transitioning with existing buildings



 Petitioner should produce revised plan
  incorporating community input




4600 MAIN STREET – CONCLUSIONS
4600 MAIN STREET
APPEARANCE COMMISSION
APPLICATION 2022-067A
The Petitioner’s Mass-ive Building Problem
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 4600 MAIN STREET
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 4600 MAIN STREET




 ➢ 17.3 units/acre
 ➢ Uniform 35-foot heights
 ➢ Green space reduction
 from 47% to 30%
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 4600 MAIN STREET


 ➢ Back-loaded building density
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 4600 MAIN STREET




 35’ 35’
 35’ 35’ 35’ 35’
 35’ 35’


 35’ 35’ 35’ 35’




 30’ 27’
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 4600 MAIN STREET

 ➢ Tallest neighboring buildings are furthest away
 VILLAGE CODE PROBLEMS WITH PROPOSED PLAN

 Front Yards

  25-foot minimum width per Village Code




  21-foot front yards at east and west per petitioner
 VILLAGE CODE PROBLEMS WITH PROPOSED PLAN

 Front Yards... that are actually side yards(?)

  All existing lots combined into a proposed single lot




 20’ 30’ Min. Rear Yard 20’
 Min. Min.
 Side Side
 Yard Yard
 From From
 Lot Lot
 Line 25’ Min. Front Yard Line
 VILLAGE CODE PROBLEMS WITH PROPOSED PLAN

 Front Yards... that are actually side yards(?)... that are
  actually front yards (of course)




 25’ Min. Front Yard 30’ Min. Rear Yard
 25’
 per
 unit
 min.
 lot
 width
VILLAGE CODE PROBLEMS WITH PROPOSED PLAN
VILLAGE CODE PROBLEMS WITH PROPOSED PLAN
 ➢ Proposed buildings too close together
COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS IN SKOKIE
Only Four Existing Townhouse Developments in
Residential Districts with in-Unit Parking
 COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS IN SKOKIE
 1. LINCOLN RIDGE TOWNHOMES

 R4 zoning district

 11.9 units/acre

 5.72 acres

 68 units

 50 guest parking stalls
  plus car space in
  front of garages
 Neighbors:
 Condominium towers
 and commercial
 properties
 COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS IN SKOKIE
 1. LINCOLN RIDGE TOWNHOMES

 R4 zoning district

 11.9 units/acre

 5.72 acres

 68 units

 50 guest parking stalls
  plus car space in
  front of garages
 Neighbors:
 Condominium towers
 and commercial
 properties
 COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS IN SKOKIE
 2. KINGSTON ESTATES

 R2 zoning district

 11.6 units/acre

 3.98 acres

 46 units

 23 guest parking
  stalls plus car space
  in front of garages
 Neighbors:

 Elementary school,
 theological college,
 Village Crossing, and
 four houses
 COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS IN SKOKIE
 2. KINGSTON ESTATES

 R2 zoning district

 11.6 units/acre

 3.98 acres

 46 units

 23 guest parking
  stalls plus car space
  in front of garages
 Neighbors:

 Elementary school,
 theological college,
 Village Crossing, and
 four houses
 COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS IN SKOKIE
 3. LARAMIE PARK TOWNHOMES

 R2 zoning district

 10.9 units/acre

 2.38 acres

 23 units

 8 guest parking stalls
  plus car space in
  front of garages
 Neighbors:

 Elementary school,
 Edens Expressway,
 Niles Center Road,
 and six houses across
 Laramie Ave.
 COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS IN SKOKIE
 3. LARAMIE PARK TOWNHOMES

 R2 zoning district

 10.9 units/acre

 2.38 acres

 23 units

 8 guest parking stalls
  plus car space in
  front of garages
 Neighbors:

 Elementary school,
 Edens Expressway,
 Niles Center Road,
 and six houses across
 Laramie Ave.
 COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS IN SKOKIE
 4. COLLEGE HILL TOWNHOMES

 R1 zoning district

 9.2 units/acre

 5.10 acres

 47 units

 12 guest parking
  stalls plus car space
  in front of garages
 Neighbors:

 Single-family houses
 across perimeter
 roadways
 COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS IN SKOKIE
 4. COLLEGE HILL TOWNHOMES

 R1 zoning district

 9.2 units/acre

 5.10 acres

 47 units

 12 guest parking
  stalls plus car space
  in front of garages
 Neighbors:

 Single-family houses
 across perimeter
 roadways
COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS IN SKOKIE



Property Name Property Address Zoning Age Lot Size n.Units Density

 [years] [sq.ft.] [unit/acre]
Kingston Estates 7000 Carpenter Road R2 33 173,366 46 11.6
Laramie Park
Townhomes 7500 Laramie Avenue R2 18 103,770 26 10.9
College Hill
Townhomes 9000 Forestview Road R1 39 222,200 47 9.2
Lincoln Ridge
Townhomes 7400 Lincoln Avenue R4 23 249,000 68 11.9

Average 187,084 47 11.0
 170,928 17.3
4600 Main (proposed) R1/R4 (91%) 68 (157%)
 Petitioner’s proposal is not harmonious with the
  existing neighborhood


  Buildings are too large and spaced too closely



  Lacks transitioning with existing buildings



 Petitioner’s proposal is out of character with
  similar existing developments in Skokie


 Petitioner should produce revised plan
  incorporating community input



4600 MAIN STREET – CONCLUSIONS
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
4600 Main Street:
Comparable
Community Facades

Skokie Appearance Commission 10/11/2023
Harmonious with the Neighborhood?
Properties to East, South & North- ALL
 Brick
 Newer Construction Multi-Family
Properties by Oakton Ave. & Skokie Blvd.
  Newer Construction Multi-Family
Properties by Oakton Ave. & Niles Ave.
 Newer Construction Multi-Family
Properties by Lincoln Ave. & Oakton Ave.
 Newer Construction Multi-Family
Properties on Skokie Blvd. & on Dempster
 Ave.
Commonality:
 Brick and/or
  Cast Stone
 Facades,
Minimal Siding,
  Classic (not
 trendy)
 appearance
What people are saying
  Over 100 Skokie The current The appearance
  residents are renderings are does not align
  opposed to the not harmonious with other newer
  project as it is with surrounding construction
  currently neighborhood multi-family
  proposed. properties. properties.


Data for exact number of opposed neighbors available at SaveSkokieMainStreet.com
  The appearance of the proposed project is similar to
 a development on the side of a highway near an IKEA in
 Wisconsin.

“Hub 13” 7629 S Wingspan Wy,
Oak Creek, WI 53154

Please do not approve a
cookie-cutter architect’s
rendering that does not fit in
with our residential
neighborhood nor our
Village.