Public Safety Committee  — Charleston, WV
Date: 2021-02-04
Time: 17:30

10 CITY OF CHARLESTON
 West Virginia
 Council Member – 10th WARD

Keeley Steele Public Safety Committee, Chair
1600 Washington St. E Ordinance and Rules Committee
Charleston, WV 25311
Telephone: 304‐250‐9463
E‐mail: keeleysteele@gmail.com




TO: Public Safety Committee
FROM: Keeley Steele, Chair
RE: Committee Meeting


 There will be a Committee meeting of Public Safety on February 4, 2021 at5:30 PM
 THIS MEETING WILL BE HELD VIA VIDEO/CONFERENCE CALL

*Join via internet:
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*Join via Phone: 301‐715‐8592 or 312‐626‐6799
Webinar ID: 847 5666 8603

The agenda will be as follows:

Approval of Previous Minutes

 1. 1‐14‐2021

Resolutions

 1. Resolution No. 419‐21 ‐ Requesting affirmation from the City Government that it will actively
 survey and obtain input from the full membership of the first responder community and
 sanitation workers before taking further action with regard to approving, creating, expanding or
 otherwise acting upon any syringe exchange or distribution programs, as well as requesting
 affirmation that the City Council shall be fully included in this survey process.




Discussion

 1. Q&A with Charleston Fire, Charleston Police and Refuse Departments.
 2. Discussion on how to conduct the meeting on 2/24/2021 in order to take up Bill No. 7893.

 3. Discussion on invites to next SOAR event and invites to a "Town Hall" with WVDII.




KS/ns

10 CITY OF CHARLESTON
 West Virginia
 Council Member – 10th WARD

Keeley Steele Public Safety Committee, Chair
1600 Washington St. E Ordinance and Rules Committee
Charleston, WV 25311
Telephone: 304‐250‐9463
E‐mail: keeleysteele@gmail.com




TO: Public Safety Committee
FROM: Keeley Steele, Chair
RE: Committee Meeting


 There will be a Committee meeting of Public Safety on February 4, 2021 at5:30 PM
 THIS MEETING WILL BE HELD VIA VIDEO/CONFERENCE CALL

*Join via internet:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84756668603?pwd=eEFsdnJwcWR1VUFoTnNsb3oweFl1dz09
Passcode: 738058
*Join via Phone: 301‐715‐8592 or 312‐626‐6799
Webinar ID: 847 5666 8603

The agenda will be as follows:

Approval of Previous Minutes

 1. 1‐14‐2021

Resolutions

 1. Resolution No. 419‐21 ‐ Requesting affirmation from the City Government that it will actively
 survey and obtain input from the full membership of the first responder community and
 sanitation workers before taking further action with regard to approving, creating, expanding or
 otherwise acting upon any syringe exchange or distribution programs, as well as requesting
 affirmation that the City Council shall be fully included in this survey process.




Discussion

 1. Q&A with Charleston Fire, Charleston Police and Refuse Departments.



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 2. Discussion on how to conduct the meeting on 2/24/2021 in order to take up Bill No. 7893.

 3. Discussion on invites to next SOAR event and invites to a "Town Hall" with WVDII.




KS/ns




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 MINUTES
 PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING

 5:30 P. M., JANUARY 14, 2021

*IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, THE MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE
WAS CONDUCTED ELECTRONICALLY. THE MEETING WAS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS A
LIVE STREAM VIA ZOOM (PER THE AGENDA).



Keeley Steele, Chairperson, called the meeting of the Charleston City Council
Committee on Public Safety to order at 5:30 p.m., JANUARY 14, 2021.

Committee Members Present:
Keeley Steele, Chair
Chuck Overstreet, Vice Chair
Pat Jones
Bruce King
Deanna McKinney
Shannon Snodgrass

ABSENT:
Tiffany Wesley-Plear




 1. Approval of Previous Minutes –
Councilmember Jones moved to approve the minutes of the previous meeting on 9-24-
2020. Councilmember King seconded. There was no objection and the minutes were
approved.




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 2. Bill No. 7889 – A BILL to amend the Code of the City of Charleston relating to
 prohibiting standing, congregating and obstructing the flow of traffic near an
 inherently dangerous intersection or highway and declaring halting or obstructing
 the flow of vehicular traffic a nuisance -
Councilmember Steele asked City Attorney, Kevin Baker, to discuss the bill. Baker
stated that the bill creates one new section in City Code to prohibit a person(s) from
willfully standing or congregating within 25 feet of an inherently dangerous intersection
or highway with the intent of attracting or distracting the attention of the operator of a
motor vehicle for any reason. It also requires the City to post signage indicating which
intersections are inherently dangerous and where the conduct is prohibited in order to
provide notice to the people at those intersection in that area. Baker added that the bill
defines an inherently dangerous intersection or highway as to be any intersection within
the City where traffic is permitted to flow at a speed of 40 MPH or above, or where
vehicular traffic is engaged in the ingress or egress upon a controlled access highway
or within the immediate proximity of a bridge. In order for the bill to apply, the City would
have to post signage at the intersection, providing notice to the public. It also defines
the immediate proximity of a bridge to be a one block radius of the entry or exit of a
bridge and it makes this a misdemeanor violation, subject to a fine of up to $500 or
possible jail time upon multiple violations. Baker added that the bill was created at the
request of Councilmember Robinson.

Councilmember Jones asked if this would help at the foot of Patrick St. and at
Edgewood (where there is not a 40 MPH speed limit), but there is a dangerous
intersection. Chief Hunt replied that it would help at Patrick St. Baker replied he did not
think the area at Edgewood would meet the criteria as defined in the bill.

Councilmember Steele asked Baker to describe the listed section of the code. Baker
replied that the rest of the Article contains other regulations on pedestrians.

Councilmember Overstreet stated he had received several concerns over restricting
fundraising groups (such as for schools) and political campaigning. Baker replied that
any sort of political signage, fundraising or any type of conduct would be prohibited if
deemed an inherently dangerous intersection.

Councilmember Steele asked how many complaints the CPD had received for this
issue, and how much time would it take Officers to enforce if the bill were to pass. Chief
Hunt replied that he wasn’t sure of the number, but he had heard of several complaints.
He added that the bill should be looked at from a safety standpoint. Baker added that
the Traffic Engineering Department informed him that the intersection on Pennsylvania
and Lee had 28 crashes and another 23 metro calls for service during 2020.
Additionally, Pennsylvania and Washington had 24 crashes and 44 calls for service.
The intersection off of Patrick St. had 4 crashes and 8 calls for service. Leon Sullivan
Way and Washington had 2 crashes and no calls for service. In order to uphold a
constitutional challenge, the bill was created with data that would show the dangerous
intersections. Chief Hunt added that there are extant laws that dictate a degree of
amnesty or educational period when these sorts of laws are changed.




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Councilmember Steele added that one of the issues is the overly broad language. There
is a perception that the bill is being written to curb “panhandling.” Baker replied that the
language was written as carefully as possible or order to withstand a constitutional
challenge, and one of those ways is to make sure that the law applies in a content
neutral way.

Councilmember Overstreet confirmed that a group or individuals can still campaign, for
example, they will just be asked to move 25 feet away. Additionally, private property is
not affected.

Councilmember Steele asked if any pedestrians were injured in the crash reports
statistics cited. Baker did not know as he had not reviewed each accident report, but
that information could be obtained. Chief Hunt added that the distraction of signage and
other activities is a problem. Councilmember Steele asked if this could be taken on a
case-by-case basis through a resolution or bill for a particular intersection through
relevant data. Baker replied that they could adopt language for that.

From the audience, Councilmember Robinson added that the language as written
doesn’t impact every intersection within the City, adding that a resolution for case-by-
case basis is something currently done with changing speed limits. As for campaigning,
they can go to business owners for permission for private property. While he is not
against fundraising, he stated that he did not want kids at dangerous intersections when
they can go on private property or another section of town. Councilmember Robinson
added that there should be a broad education on this issue of the different intersections,
signage included.

From the audience, Councilmember Cook stated that she had not seen he letter from
the ACLU, but she has concerns over the bill. Councilmember Steele read the first
paragraph of the letter. Councilmember Cook asked in Baker has had any
conversations with the ACLU, and if he had any concerns with 1st Amendment rights.
Baker replied that he had spoken with the ACLU to explain the meaning of the bill. He
added that the bill was written to withstand constitutional scrutiny. Councilmember Cook
asked if there are any other cities in WV that have enacted a similar ordinance that have
been challenged, and Baker replied that he was not of aware of any.

Councilmember Jones asked how many 40 MPH speed limits are were in the City.
Baker reminded him that the definition for inherently dangerous intersection is not 40
MPH and the other things, it is listed as or.

From the audience, Councilmember Hoover added that they are lowering speed limits
within the City, and it is not being received well. She added that the ACLU posted on
Facebook that the bill would prohibit panhandling, politicking, union picketing, etc.,
which is not true. Councilmember Hoover added that the bill is not eliminating those
activities throughout the City, just at intersections where it is dangerous.

From the audience, Councilmember King added that the Federal government has




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restrictions on where people can do these things, such as on highways, because it is
inherently dangerous. The goal is to protect citizens.

From the audience, Councilmember Adams asked for a copy of the traffic report data
that Baker had.

From the audience, Councilmember Jenkins clarified that essentially the bill could apply
to the full length of MacCorckle, the full length of the Boulevard, probably 7th Avenue
and Corridor G. As for picketing concerns raised, those mentioned could still have
picketed, just not at those intersections. Baker agreed, and added that the restrictions
would only apply at those intersections where signage was added. Councilmember
Jenkins asked who would have the discretion to post those signs. Baker replied that as
the bill is written it would be at the discretion of the Administration, but it could be
amended to require that to go through the Planning, Streets and Traffic Committee.
Councilmember Jenkins added that it made sense to do that as well since they also do
that for things like handicap parking or no parking.

With no further discussion, Councilmember King made a motion to approve the bill.
Councilmember Jones seconded. With the ayes being in the majority, Bill No. 7889 was
approved.

Yeas: Overstreet, Jones, King, McKinney, Snodgrass
Nays: Steele
Absent: Wesley-Plear




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 3. SOAR Update –
Councilmember Steele asked Chief Hunt to speak. Chief Hunt stated that the CPD was
made aware of potential violations of the law. He assigned the investigation to the Metro
Drug Unit, who conducted an extensive investigation that lasted several months. Their
findings were given to the Kanawha County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office and the City
and Attorney, and both offices deemed that there was no violation of the law.

Councilmember McKinney expressed concerns about the needle exchange program,
citing children being stuck with needles. She also expressed concern over the behavior
that SOAR had given the community. Councilmember McKinney stated she had no
invites or conversations with them and their presence in her Ward. She, personally, has
been picking up used needles. She cited the report that raised suspicion that SOAR
was giving out needles, not in exchange, before public attention on the matter was
raised, adding that she did not understand why the investigation was announced giving
anyone breaking the law notice. Councilmember McKinney added that the program is
supposed to exchange needles but has not been doing that. She asked where the data
reports were for the purported rise in needle-related diseases. She asked what other
geographic locations were the focus of the study. She asked what numbers were
received to determine what areas were in need of such programs. She asked if SOAR
was operating in other neighborhoods other than the East Side and West Side of
Charleston. Councilmember McKinney added that these decisions should be made by
City Council votes with medical guidance.

Councilmember Steele added that she just received statistics from the HIV Task Force,
and summarized that between 2018-current, HIV cases have doubled. She will share
the report with the rest of the Committee.

Councilmember Jones stated that Council had debated this before 3 years ago, and the
passed ordinance is apparently not effective. He stated that SOAR is not requiring
needles to be exchanged. They announced that there were going to give out around
360,000 needles in 2021. He stated that this was going to heavily impact the flats. He
stated that no other surrounding City had this problem, because those needle
exchanges are run correctly.

Councilmember King commented that it seemed to him that the Kanawha County
Prosecuting Attorney’s Office did not have enough information to make a decision one
way or another. Chief Hunt replied that what they were referring to was the not-for-profit
status, but he was able to get them the documentation for that. Councilmember King
asked why SOAR’s grant application to the state was included in the investigation
report, and why not the denial letter. Chief Hunt stated that the denial letter came after
that date; the grant information was submitted to show relevance to the investigation.
Councilmember King asked if other ordinances get this amount of scrutiny from the City
Attorney. Baker replied that the City Attorney’s role is to scrutinize laws on the books as
much as possible. The Attorney’s Office looks at all the laws especially whenever there
are questions about them. Chief Hunt added that it is not uncommon to seek the opinion
of the City Attorney as an investigation moves forward. Additionally, there had never




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been a violation of the “needle” ordinance on file. Councilmember King read the denial
letter from the DHHR application, citing a lack of the requisite official and community
support. Councilmember King stated that harm reduction is a contradiction and is
enabling harmful behavior.

Councilmember Snodgrass stated that the original ordinance came about because of an
increase in house fires and overdoses, and from discussions with first responders. The
goal was to decriminalize hypodermic needles because the Kanawha County Health
Department wanted to start a needle exchange program and a vehicle into rehab. She
stated that this was a debacle, so the State decertified that harm reduction program.
The result was an increase in needle litter, house fires and overall crime. She stressed
that the intent of the ordinance was to control what was going to happen to the City, that
had nothing to do with profit or non-profit. Councilmember Snodgrass added that the
Prosecuting Attorney’s Office showed that SOAR sent a letter of intent to the Mayor’s
Office, adding the Councilmembers did not see that letter. She added that the
Prosecuting Attorney’s Office stated that if SOAR continued with its needle distribution
program as they have informed the City, it appears to be in violation of the ordinance.
She added that the Administration had stated publicly several times that if they are
distributing needles, they are in violation. She asked how can they continue to advocate
a program when they have knowingly violated the ordnance, lied on their application,
and how the City’s first responders have not been involved in this (adding that she
spoke to first responders who knew nothing about this). Councilmember Snodgrass
stated that the City has an ordinance that was set up to have some type of governance.
She stated that it appears that the Administration is specifically trying to promulgate this
particular program. Baker responded that for-profit or non-profit is not really the problem
with the needle ordinance that was passed in 2015. The problem with the ordinance
from a legal standpoint is that it requires groups to have any and all State licenses for
the distribution of needles, but there are no State licenses. He added that DHHR does a
certification, which is what makes it impossible to convict someone under this ordinance
in his opinion. However, Baker added that he agrees that the intent was certification, but
it wasn’t written that way. Chief Hunt added that his job is to gather facts and present
those to the Courts, which is what he has done by getting the facts in the hands of those
that take it to the point of punishment. Councilmember Snodgrass disagreed with Baker
as to the intent being certification since it says that it also requires the approval of the
Chief of Police if no licesnse. Baker replied that words matter in a court of law, and the
words that were written in the ordinance are legally ineffective.

From the audience, Councilmember Knauff added that these needles are likely to be
used in conjunction with illegal activity along with increased house fires, ER visits from
accidental needle sticks and miscellaneous diverted police resources. Discussions to
remove the authority to determine who is responsible for public safety issues away from
the City’s public safety officers or City Council should be rejected immediately. Public
safety decisions should not be made by un-elected public safety task forces, special
commissions etc. He added that they need to be made within the realm of public safety
officers or City Council as a whole.




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From the audience, Councilmember Pharr asked if the ordinance can be amended with
specific language as to what they support (such as a one-on-one exchange), and Baker
replied in the affirmative, that it can be voted upon as a body of Council.
Councilmember Pharr added they that they have not been thinking about how other
people (such as families) are effected by addiction. She added that this is an issue that
effects so many communities in the area. Councilmember Pharr stated that if they want
to change the ordinance, they should do something and stop talking about it. She added
that she has knowledge of people who have moved into the City and want to leave
because of the drug issues, and businesses want to close because they cannot deal
with this problem.

From the audience, Councilmember Cook agreed with Councilmember Pharr. She
added that the data for relevant substance abuse disorders, the rise of HIV/Hep C and
the lack of rehabilitation means that they have to find a way forward to better educate
organizations that want to do fact-based harm reduction in collaboration with the Police,
Fire, Community leaders and healthcare organizations. She added that there is no way
one organization (i.e., Health Rite) can serve the needs of the entire community. She
encouraged everyone to share the WV Drug Intervention Institute’s survey that is trying
to gauge harm reduction views and level of knowledge in the community.

Councilmember King sated that they are working on a bill to be introduced that will
hopefully address this issue. Councilmember Pharr added that she would like to discuss
that with him.

Councilmember Faegre said that she too, had experienced loss from addiction. She
expressed concerns about needle litter, and added that the Refuse workers needed to
be taken into consideration. She stated that she will do whatever she can to see the City
safe and beautiful.

From the audience, Councilmember Knauff stressed looking at the data, its source and
impartiality. He added that he had doubts over data that is self-reporting.




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 4. Resolution No. 418-21 – Authorizing the Chief of Police and the Charleston
 Police Department to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding with the United
 States Marshal Service who will direct and coordinate a Regional Fugitive Task
 Force for the purpose of locating and apprehending fugitives.
Baker added that the resolution authorizes the Chief of Police and the Charleston Police
Department to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding with the United States
Marshal Service for a Regional Fugitive Task Force. There have been similar MOUs
with other federal agencies.

Chief Hunt added that the resolution is addressing the US Marshal’s task force, and
they will deputize our officers as well also reimburse some of their pay for their
overtime.

With no further discussion, Councilmember Jones made a motion to approve the
resolution. Councilmember Snodgrass seconded. With the ayes being unanimous,
Resolution No. 418-21 was approved.




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 5. House Fire Update –
Councilmember Steele added that there had been a string of abandoned house fires,
and asked for an update.

Assistant Chief Jones from the CFD stated that there were 62 fires in 2015, 70 in 2016
(28 were vacant), 82 in 2017 (28 were vacant), 102 in 2018 (46 were vacant), 104 in
2019 (61 were vacant) and 98 in 2020 (43 were vacant). He stated that roughly 45% of
fires are from vacant homes, adding that the Building Department does an excellent job
of trying to secure those vacant structures. Most of those fires are from careless heating
or cooking. During the current year there have been 10 fires (5 were vacant). He urged
anyone who sees someone in an abandoned home or trying to gain entry to call 911.

Councilmember Snodgrass stated that there was a public speaker who requested to
speak Councilmember Steele stated that they were not going to allow non-
Councilmembers to speak during the meeting due to time. She had previously
suggested to others requesting to speak earlier in the day to reach out to their
Councilmembers with their questions.



 6. Inspection of Apartments Currently Registered –
Councilmember Steele asked Head of the Building Commission, Tony Harmon, to
speak. Harmon stated that during Covid-19, they were not going inside apartments for
regular inspections unless it was an emergency or safety concern. During normal
conditions, they conduct anywhere from 75-80 inspections every two weeks. Most of the
fires have been from single-family dwelling vacant structures.




Councilmember McKinney motioned to adjourn. Councilmember Overstreet seconded
the motion. Meeting adjourned.




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 Resolution No. 419-21

 Introduced in Council: Adopted by Council:

 January 19, 2020

 Introduced by: Referred to:

 Adam Knauff, Bruce King, Chuck Public Safety
 Overstreet, Deanna McKinney,
 Jennifer Pharr, Pat Jones, Sam
 Minardi, Shannon Snodgrass and
 Jeanine Faegre

 1 Resolution No. 419-21 - WHEREUPON, the herein signatory members of the City
 2 Council of Charleston, WV are presented with an issue of ongoing public concern - the
 3 distribution and/or exchange of hypodermic syringes for the purpose of intravenous
 4 drug use. These members note that the City’s first responder community, namely
 5 police and fire, have not been fully informed of the status of this issue that impacts their
 6 daily work lives. Likewise, other City employees directly impacted by this issue, such as
 7 sanitation and refuse workers, likewise do not appear to have been fully apprised of the
 8 status of this current debate.
 9
10 WHEREAS, these signatory Council members further note that input and
11 cooperation of first responders is considered so critical on this issue that it was recently
12 cited by the West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources as a factor
13 when it considered and rejected the application of a proposed syringe distribution
14 program within Charleston City limits. These members agree and believe the additional
15 input of sanitation workers is necessary for good governance, employee morale and
16 community safety.
17
18 WHEREAS, these signatory members of the Charleston, WV City Council
19 request affirmation from our City Government that it will actively survey and obtain input
20 from the full membership of our first responder community and the full membership of
21 our sanitation workers before taking further action with regard to approving, creating,
22 expanding or otherwise acting upon any syringe exchange or distribution programs. We
23 request affirmation from our City Government that the City Council of Charleston, WV
24 shall be fully included in this survey process, which may be conducted anonymously or
25 in any other way deemed appropriate for the protection of City workers. This
26 Resolution in no way prohibits any City Department from enforcing existing laws that
27 revolve around this issue.
28
29 WHEREAS, these signatory members of the Charleston, WV City Council
30 recognize the crucial role of our first responders and sanitation workers on this issue.
31 We value and seek their expertise and opinions. These signatory members of the
32 Charleston, WV City Council ask the City Council of Charleston, WV to adopt this




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1 Resolution at the next regularly scheduled meeting of Council and to take any such
2 further action necessary to effectuate its spirit and purpose.




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MINUTES
 PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING

 5:30 P. M., FEBRUARY 4, 2021

*IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, THE MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE
WAS CONDUCTED ELECTRONICALLY. THE MEETING WAS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS A
LIVE STREAM VIA ZOOM (PER THE AGENDA).



Keeley Steele, Chairperson, called the meeting of the Charleston City Council
Committee on Public Safety to order at 5:30 p.m., FEBRUARY 4, 2021.

Committee Members Present:
Keeley Steele, Chair
Chuck Overstreet, Vice Chair
Pat Jones
Bruce King
Deanna McKinney
Shannon Snodgrass
Tiffany Wesley-Plear




 1. Approval of Previous Minutes –
Councilmember King moved to approve the minutes of the previous meeting on 1-14-
2021. Councilmember Overstreet seconded the motion. There was no objection and the
minutes were approved.
 2. Resolution No. 419-21 – Requesting affirmation from the City Government that it
 will actively survey and obtain input from the full membership of the first
 responder community and sanitation workers before taking further action with
 regard to approving, creating, expanding or otherwise acting upon any syringe
 exchange or distribution programs, as well as requesting affirmation that the City
 Council shall be fully included in this survey process –
Councilmember Steele stated that the discussion is not about harm reduction or syringe
exchange. The Committee will be discussing the logistics of how the proposed survey
will be carried out within the Departments. She requested that the meeting to kept to an
hour, so 30 minutes will be spent discussing the resolution and 30 minutes will be spent
discussing how the 4-24-2021 meeting will be conducted. Councilmember Steele stated
that the intention of the resolution is pretty clear, but it had been brought to her attention
that it is missing a “Therefore be it resolved” clause. She asked City Attorney, Kevin
Baker to discuss this and any other possible changes for a Committee Substitute.

Baker added that the Committee could approve to change the document to the format of
a resolution as currently it reads more like a petition because it mentions “signatory
members.” If the resolution was adopted, it would be from the Council body not specific
members. He added that resolutions typically contain “Whereas” clauses that set the
purpose and a resolve clause that sets forth the action that the resolution is directing
take place.

Councilmember King, who submitted the resolution, asked for clarification as to what
should be in the resolve clause. His idea was to get with some IT people and send out a
survey via Survey Monkey via email of a list of about 10 questions to first responders,
Refuse workers and Public Grounds employees. Baker made some clarifications on the
language and added that he wasn’t sure if all of the Refuse and Public Grounds
employees had a City email. Councilmember King replied that they could work with IT
for a workaround.

Councilmember Steele added that if Public Grounds employees were to be included,
then Parking employees (parking garages) should also be included. She also wanted to
work out the timeline and logistics of the survey. She asked the Department Heads
present if an anonymous survey of employees had ever been done before to their
knowledge; if so, how was that done. Chief Hunt replied that the CPD has done
something similar when they vote for members of the Pension Board etc. They do paper
ballots in a physical drop box that is later counted, the timing is coordinated to
accommodate both shifts. He added that names are crossed off as they vote to prevent
multiple voting. Councilmember King replied that electronic surveys can be simple and
anonymous with near-instant results. He added that he thought the questions should be
kept simple, with Yes or No responses. Chief Hunt requested that the survey be kept
open for at least 4 days.

Councilmember Wesley-Plear added that, from her experience, many Refuse workers
did not have personal emails or City emails. She agreed that the survey should be
simple. Director of Refuse, Jered Lanham, agreed that the vast majority do not have
private emails and paper surveys would work better. Councilmember Snodgrass stated
that they wanted the process to be short and simple, being concerned with Police, Fire,
Refuse and Public Grounds. She added that it is most important that it be anonymous
and that no one could see them filling out the survey. She added that her idea was to
have a City computer available at those locations. Director of Public Works, Brent
Webster, added that they are limited, but with the help of IT, they could probably
dedicate 1 or 2 computers. Councilmember Steele agreed that it would be best to keep
the survey in one format.

Councilmember Steele asked if the questions needed to be determined during the
meeting or at a later time. Baker replied that they could put the questions on the
resolution, but it wasn’t necessary. He read the proposed changes to the resolution thus
far. Councilmember Steele asked who would be responsible for creating the questions.
Baker replied that, as the current resolution was drafted, it would be in the hands of the
Mayor or City Manager to figure it out and execute it. Councilmember Snodgrass stated
that to be fair and make employees feel comfortable, the survey results should come
back to Public Safety Committee, but should not come from the Mayor’s Office.

Councilmember Snodgrass stated that the survey questions should come from the
Public Safety Committee. Councilmember Steele asked how that would happen (a
Committee meeting solely to create the survey etc.). Councilmember Snodgrass replied
that they could work on it after the resolution passes, either by a subcommittee or a full
meeting.

Councilmember Wesley-Plear suggested having the Departments submit questions to
be approved by the Committee so that they aren’t starting from scratch. Councilmember
McKinney agreed.

Councilmember King asked why they weren’t contacted about changing some of the
language in the resolution (the resolve clause, for example) before this meeting. Baker
replied that he did reach out to Councilmember King when the resolution was first
brought to his attention on the Friday before it was introduced. He had suggested that
they could work on the language so that it could be brought to Council and adopted at
the flowing meeting instead of referring it to Committee. He added that Councilmember
King was insistent that it was to be introduced as written at that time. Once referred to
Committee, it is in their hands to adjust the language via committee substitute.

Councilmember King requested that the Public Safety Committee create the survey and
administer it with the help of the IT Department. Councilmember Snodgrass agreed,
adding that they are making it harder than it needs to be. She stated that she thought
the resolution was clear as it stands.

Councilmember Jones asked if the survey could be ready before Council approved the
resolution. Councilmember Snodgrass clarified that the resolution needed to be passed
by the Committee and passed by Council before the survey could be administered.
Councilmember Overstreet suggested to make the changes proposed by the City
Attorney with the Committee making the questions. Baker read the updated changes.
Councilmember Steele clarified with Baker that the resolution as currently written would
place the responsibility of executing the survey on the Administration as directed by the
Mayor or City Manager. Councilmember Snodgrass again expressed concern that
employees wouldn’t feel comfortable if the survey came directly from the Administration.
She clarified with Baker that he recommended the “signatory” line be changed to reflect
that a resolution is a statement from the whole Council body, not just the sponsors of it.
Otherwise, it reads more like a petition to him.

Councilmember Wesley-Plear suggested that the resolution be written so that the
survey has to be approved by the Public Safety Committee. Councilmember Snodgrass
stated that there is an ex-fire chief on the Committee and they could reach out to those
Department Heads themselves to create questions that would universally apply to all
employees. Councilmember Wesley-Plear cautioned that the questions would need to
be carefully worded so as to not skew the results.

Councilmember Jones suggested to add to the resolution that SOAR should stop their
needle exchange program until they are able to consider the matter. Councilmember
Wesley-Plear stated that they couldn’t name a specific organization. Councilmember
Jones suggested that needle exchanges be stopped unless they are WV State certified
programs. Baker replied that they could put whatever they would like into the resolution,
but it wouldn’t be an enforceable ordinance. They could only request it.

Councilmember McKinney stated that they needed to remember to be respectful. They
do not want to make decisions without including the right people. They should also not
be considering questions without including the appropriate Department Heads.
Additionally, 10 is probably too many questions. Proofed

Councilmember King stated that he would like to see a statement in the resolution
asking SOAR to halt their needle exchange program. Baker summarized the current
changes to the resolution per the discussion. Councilmember Snodgrass agreed to the
needle exchange program restriction. Councilmember Steele added that she thought
that would bog down the discussion for the actual bill. Councilmember Overstreet
agreed, and suggested adding in the resolutions that Department Heads would be
consulted. Councilmember McKinney agreed. Councilmember Wesley-Plear agreed
that a particular organization did not need to be named. While she was fine with adding
the previously mentioned clause, she though it would hold up the survey process.

Councilmember King motioned to amend the resolution to add “We would request any
organization currently operating a needle exchange without State certification to
suspend such distribution until such time that Council takes action on pending
legislation.” Councilmember Jones seconded.
Yeas: Jones, King, Overstreet, Snodgrass
Nays: McKinney, Steele, Wesley-Plear

With the yeas being in the majority, the Amendment was approved.


Baker then read the resolution in its entirety. Councilmember Snodgrass asked for the
last section to be read again.

From the audience, Councilmember Faegre added that there have been a lot of
contradicting statements. She added that it was very intimidating when, several years
ago, many police and fire workers lined Council Chambers opposed to needle
distribution. She added that it was very clear how they felt.

From the audience, Councilmember Pharr added that the conversation around the
resolution had changed since she first saw it, adding that the intent was to gather
information and to speak and listen. It is embarrassing that Councilmembers are
speaking over one another to the point where she doesn’t even know what they are
discussing. They also need to hear from the organizations. She did not agree with the
amendment, and asked if she could have her name removed as a sponsor. She added
that it was disrespectful to be constantly telling someone that they are out of order or
talking over other people. Nikki Smith, from the Clerk’s Office, added that her name
could be removed, and asked that she submit her request via email.

From the audience, Councilmember Knauff asked who from Public Works would be
answering the survey as he was under the impression that it would be Refuse and
Public Grounds. Webster replied that he only spoke to inform the Committee that the
Department was email challenged and to help ensure the process was as easy as
possible for the workers. Councilmember Knauff asked Baker to read the last section
again. Baker clarified that Public Works was included in the language instead of listing
the various departments (refuse, streets, etc.) as they all fall under Public Works.

Councilmember King added that the only thing the resolution does is ask to survey
employees of the City. He agreed that all Members have the responsibility to learn
about the topic. He encouraged members to also visit Heath Right.

Councilmember King motioned to approve the resolution. Councilmember Overstreet
seconded. With the yeas being in the majority, Resolution No. 419-21 Committee
Substitute was approved.



 3. Discussion on how to conduct the meeting on 2/24/2021 in order to take up Bill
 No. 7893
Councilmember Steele asked if the Committee wanted to possibly meet in person for
their next meeting. The majority of the Committee seemed to be in favor with meeting in
person. Councilmember Wesley-Plear asked how many members of the public would
be able to attend. Councilmember Steele said they will be in a better position to
determine that after the first in-person Council meeting on 2-16-2021. Smith clarified
that if an in-person meeting was to be open to the public, there could not really be a
limit. However, the Committee could meet in person, but allow access to the public via
Zoom or some other live streaming method. Councilmember Steele confirmed they
could decide after the first in person Council meeting. Smith added that the Committee
could potentially meet in Council Chambers, but the number of people present would be
limited. Snodgrass thanked those listening to the meeting. From the audience,
Councilmember Faegre stated that the Ordinance and Rules Committee had meet in
Council Chambers in the past, adding that the room was packed and Committee
meetings were not public hearings. From the audience, Councilmember Knauff asked
what the difference would be between having the meeting at the Convention Center
versus Council Chambers. Smith replied that because of the current socially distanced
guidelines, Council Chambers would only be viable if only the members and a few
invited panelists were present, whereas a completely open in person meeting would
only be possible at the Convention Center.



 4. Discussion on invites to next SOAR event and invites to a "Town Hall" with
 WVDII
Councilmember Steele stated that the West Virginia Drug Intervention Institute had
invited all Councilmembers to their Town Hall meeting, as well as SOAR’s event that
upcoming Saturday. Regardless of their opinions, as public officials they should do their
jobs with integrity by having all the information.




Councilmember Snodgrass motioned to adjourn. Councilmember Jones seconded.
Meeting adjourned
Committee Substitute for Resolution No. 419-21 - WHEREUPON, the herein
signatory members of the City Council of Charleston, WV are presented with an issue of
ongoing public concern - the distribution and/or exchange of hypodermic syringes for
the purpose of intravenous drug use. These members note City Council notes that the
City’s first responder community, namely police and fire, have not been fully informed of
the status of this issue that impacts their daily work lives. Likewise, other City
employees directly impacted by this issue, such as sanitation and refuse workers,
likewise do not appear to have been fully apprised of the status of this current debate.

 WHEREAS, these signatory Council membersCity Council further notes that
input and cooperation of first responders is considered so critical on this issue that it
was recently cited by the West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources as
a factor when it considered and rejected the application of a proposed syringe
distribution program within Charleston City limits. These membersCity Council agrees
and believes the additional input of sanitation workers is necessary for good
governance, employee morale and community safety.

 WHEREAS, these signatory members of the Charleston, WV City Council
request affirmation from our City Government that it Public Safety Committee will
actively survey and obtain input from the full membership of our first responder
community and the full membership of our sanitation Public Works workers before
taking further action with regard to approving, creating, expanding or otherwise acting
upon any syringe exchange or distribution programs. We request affirmation from our
City Government that tThe City Council of Charleston, WV shall be fully included in this
survey process, which may be conducted anonymously or in any other way deemed
appropriate for the protection of City workers. This Resolution in no way prohibits any
City Department from enforcing existing laws that revolve around this issue.

 WHEREAS, these signatory members of the Charleston, WV City Council
recognizes the crucial role of our first responders and sanitation Public Works workers
on this issue. We value and seek their expertise and opinions. These signatory
members of the Charleston, WV City Council ask the City Council of Charleston, WV to
adopt this Resolution at the next regularly scheduled meeting of Council and to take any
such further action necessary to effectuate its spirit and purpose.

Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Council of the City of Charleston, West
Virginia:

That the Public Safety Committee is hereby directed to create a survey regarding
opinions about the distribution and/or exchange of hypodermic syringes in order to
obtain anonymous City employee responses; and to work with the Charleston Police
Department Chief, the Charleston Fire Department Chief, and the Director of Public
Works to distribute the survey to the employees of these departments.

And that we request any organization currently operating a needle distribution without
state certification to suspend such distribution until the City Council takes action on the
pending legislation.