Historic Preservation Commission — Naperville, IL
Date: 2020-08-27

400 S. Eagle Street
 City of Naperville Naperville, IL 60540



 Meeting Agenda

 Historic Preservation Commission

Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:00 PM Held on Zoom due to COVID-19


 Special Meeting



CITY OF NAPERVILLE PUBLIC MEETINGS UPDATE:
On Friday, June 12, 2020, an amendment to the Open Meetings Act was signed into law. This
new law replaces the gubernatorial executive order concerning the Open Meetings Act and
allows public bodies to temporarily conduct meetings remotely during a state of emergency,
subject to certain requirements, including a determination by the head of the public body that an
in-person meeting is not practical or prudent.

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020, Mayor Chirico issued an executive order determining that in-person
meetings of the City Council and the City’s boards and commissions are not currently practical or
prudent due to the Covid-19 pandemic. Accordingly, the Historic Preservation Commission
meeting scheduled for August 19, 2020 will be conducted remotely. The means by which the
public may watch, listen, and/or participate in the meeting are described below.

TO JOIN A MEETING:
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PARTICIPATION GUIDELINES:
All viewpoints are welcome. Positive comments and constructive criticism are encouraged.
Speakers must refrain from harassing or directing threats or personal attacks at board members,
staff, other speakers or members of the public. Comments made to intentionally disrupt the
meeting may be managed as necessary to maintain appropriate decorum and allow for city
business to be accomplished.

PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION:
Any individual who may require an accommodation to participate in the meeting or to view
materials for the Historic Preservation Commission meeting, should contact the City Clerk at
(630) 305-5300 by Wednesday, August 26, 2020.

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A. CALL TO ORDER:

B. ROLL CALL:

C. PUBLIC FORUM:

D. OLD BUSINESS:

E. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
1. 20-977 Consider the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) Request for Heritage
 Place development (140/126 North Wright Street and 619 E. Franklin
 Avenue) - COA 20-2321 (Item 1 of 3)

2. 20-978 Provide a recommendation on the conditional use for 47 townhomes,
 variances to the lot area requirements, front yard setback requirements
 and a height variance for the property located at 140/126 North Wright
 Street and 619 E. Franklin Avenue (Heritage Place) - PZC 20-1-061 (Item
 2 of 3)

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3. 20-979 Consider the proposed exterior façade changes to the Kroehler Mansion
 and the proposed exterior façade of the townhome unit buildings for the
 property located at 140/126 North Wright Street and 619 E. Franklin
 Avenue (Heritage Place) - COA 20-2321 (Item 3 of 3)

F. REPORTS
1. 20-967 Approve the minutes of the June 25, 2020, Historic Preservation
 Commission meeting

G. NEW BUSINESS:
1. 20-968 Conduct the discussion requested by the Historic Preservation
 Commission at the June 25, 2020, meeting concerning the transition away
 from staff recommendations and towards applicants justifying their
 proposal against the factors of consideration

H. ADJOURNMENT:




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400 S. Eagle Street
 City of Naperville Naperville, IL 60540



 Meeting Minutes

 Historic Preservation Commission


Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:00 PM Held on Zoom due to COVID-19

 Special Meeting

CITY OF NAPERVILLE PUBLIC MEETINGS UPDATE:
On Friday, June 12, 2020, an amendment to the Open Meetings Act was signed into law. This
new law replaces the gubernatorial executive order concerning the Open Meetings Act and allows
public bodies to temporarily conduct meetings remotely during a state of emergency, subject to
certain requirements, including a determination by the head of the public body that an in-person
meeting is not practical or prudent.

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020, Mayor Chirico issued an executive order determining that in-person
meetings of the City Council and the City’s boards and commissions are not currently practical or
prudent due to the Covid-19 pandemic. Accordingly, the Historic Preservation Commission
meeting scheduled for August 19, 2020 will be conducted remotely. The means by which the
public may watch, listen, and/or participate in the meeting are described below.

TO JOIN A MEETING:
The meeting will be conducted using the Zoom Video Conferencing. You do not need to
download any software or create an account to participate.

To login on your computer or iPad:
Click the link to join the webinar, the password is provided on this agenda. Once connected, if
you choose to speak, click the “Raise Hand” button at the bottom of Zoom screen and wait for the
Chairman to recognize you. When it is your turn to speak, you will be unmuted. There will be a few
second delay after you are unmuted until your mic will be live. Please identify yourself for the
public record and speak clearly.

To login on your phone:
For iPhones, use the iPhone one-tap number provided on this agenda.
For telephones, dial one of the numbers provided and join the meeting by using meeting ID and
password provided on this agenda.
Once connected to the meeting, press *9 to “raise your hand” and wait for the Chairman to
recognize you. When it is your turn to speak, you will be unmuted. There will be a few second
delay after you are unmuted until your mic will be live. Please identify yourself for the public record
and speak clearly.




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PARTICIPATION GUIDELINES:
All viewpoints are welcome. Positive comments and constructive criticism are encouraged.
Speakers must refrain from harassing or directing threats or personal attacks at board members,
staff, other speakers or members of the public. Comments made to intentionally disrupt the
meeting may be managed as necessary to maintain appropriate decorum and allow for city
business to be accomplished.

PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION:
Any individual who may require an accommodation to participate in the meeting or to view
materials for the Historic Preservation Commission meeting, should contact the City Clerk at
(630) 305-5300 by Wednesday, August 26, 2020.

ZOOM MEETING LOG IN:
Please click the link below to join the webinar:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84071838051?pwd=dnFNYlMxT3FBRDg1OUd2emRkd096dz09
Passcode: 773433
Or iPhone one-tap :
 US: +13126266799,,84071838051#,,,,,,0#,,773433# or
+16465588656,,84071838051#,,,,,,0#,,773433#
Or Telephone:
 Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location):
 US: +1 312 626 6799 or +1 646 558 8656 or +1 301 715 8592 or +1 253 215 8782 or +1
346 248 7799 or +1 669 900 9128
Webinar ID: 840 7183 8051
Passcode: 773433
 International numbers available: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kWfqSw47Y

A. CALL TO ORDER:

B. ROLL CALL:

 Present: Doyle, Eveslage, Franczyk, Fessler, Garrison, Vice Chair Jacks, Ory,
 Chairman Peterson, Urda, Councilman Kelly (non-voting), and Howard (non-voting)
 Absent: None


C. PUBLIC FORUM:

 There was not any discussion for the public forum.


D. OLD BUSINESS:

E. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS

1. Consider the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) Request for Heritage Place
 development (140/126 North Wright Street and 619 E. Franklin Avenue) - COA 20-2321

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 (Item 1 of 3)
 Russell Whitaker, attorney for RAM West Capital, presented the
 proposal for the petitioner. Whitaker presented the proposal in two
 main sections: the mansion preservation efforts and the rowhome
 development. The preservation presentation described how the
 mansion would be separated into three units and the overall
 exterior façade changes to the mansion. The new aspects of the
 site were described through the proposed elevations of the new
 homes and aspects of the site including, open space, parking, access
 and landscaping.


 Public Testimony:


 Marilyn Schweitzer, Naperville resident, requested denial of the
 COA and that the HPC not recommend approval of the requested
 conditional use and variances. Schweitzer spoke of concerns about
 the similarity of the new buildings, height, bulking and landscaping
 detailed in the proposal.


 Tim Messer, spoke on behalf of the East Central Homeowners
 Organization (ECHO). Messer spoke in support of the protection
 within ECHO’s boundaries, the exterior façade changes on the
 mansion, the proposed open space, and the proposed façades of
 the townhome units. Messer further noted that ECHO does not
 support the conditional use and variances associated with the
 proposal. Messer noted a survey that was conducted within the
 ECHO’s boundaries and feedback indicated concerns with the
 proposal from residents. Messer expressed that if the development
 is not economically viable, then the demolition of the Kroehler
 mansion may be the better long term solution from ECHO’s
 perspective.


 Carol Schmidt, adjacent property owner to the subject property,
 agreed with ECHO’s position and emphasized concern with the
 setback variance. Carol also spoke on behalf of neighbor, Kathy Taft,
 who concurs with ECHO’s position.


 Becky Simon, spoke on behalf of Naperville Preservation Inc., and
 was concerned with the proposal’s density, height, setbacks and
 massing of the new buildings in relation to the existing
 neighborhood.


 Signe Gleeson spoke in opposition of the variances requested as
 the proposed development is an assault on the neighborhood.
 Gleeson detailed concerns about the track record of the developer
 and emphasized the development should not be exempt from the

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 Historic District guidelines.


 Susan Fitch spoke in support of ECHO’s position with massing and
 density concerns.


 Alberto Rodriguez, Naperville resident, spoke in support of ECHO’s
 position.


 Tom Ryan, architect, former HPC member and Naperville resident,
 noted the current proposal is not aligned with the Historic Building
 Design and Resource Manual. Ryan showed a slide with a rendering
 created by Ryan and Naperville Preservation comparing the massing
 of single family homes to the townhome proposal. Ryan expressed
 opposition to the granting of a COA to the current proposal.


 Chris Forthaus, Naperville resident, spoke in support of ECHO’s
 position.


 Greg Remec, supports ECHO’s position and described concern with
 the proposed density, height and setbacks.


 Jim Haselhorst spoke about concerns with the mansion proposal, as
 it did not describe the changes on all sides of the structure, carriage
 porch, restoration of the western porch entrance, and restoration of
 the original historic openings and windows. Haselhorst requested
 the HPC not approve the restoration and preservation plan.


 Ross Berkley, Naperville resident, spoke adding that Berkley is not a
 member of ECHO, nor does Berkley agree with all of ECHO’s
 position. Berkley spoke in support of the recent changes made to
 the plan in response to feedback from the neighborhood. Berkley
 explained that if the setback variance of the interior parking lots
 were reduced or removed, Berkley would be in support. Berkley
 requested a reduction in the density and spoke on concerns with
 the height variance and the potential for an unfinished project due
 to financing.


 Erik Haugsnes, Naperville resident, spoke in support of ECHO’s
 position noting that there are few buildings in the surrounding area
 that do not meet the setback and height requirements.


 Karena Chapman, Naperville resident, spoke in support of ECHO’s
 position and added that the developer of the subject property
 should be upheld to the same requirements as imposed on all other
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 Karen Solomon, Historic District resident, spoke on concerns with
 the similarity between each of the proposed building design,
 parking, traffic, flooding in the alley between Wright Street and
 Sleight Street, and the visual difference of the proposed buildings
 without foliage during the fall and winter months.


 Mary Anne Yep, Naperville Resident, spoke about personal
 experiences with the HPC meetings, those that live within the
 Historic District and discrepancies with DJK builders. Yep asked if
 the current builder is the right person to develop this property.


 Karl Rahder, Naperville resident, spoke in opposition to the
 proposed development and any high density on the site.


 Julie Garrison, Naperville homeowner, spoke on concerns of the
 development’s balance sheet and the design of the development,
 which does not align with the neighborhood. Garrison asked the
 development to be conducted responsibly and respectfully.
 Garrison lastly asked the HPC to vote against the development as
 proposed.


 Brad Kitchner, Naperville resident, spoke on another option for the
 site to be developed with less density without keeping the
 mansion. Kitchner agreed with prior comments about the traffic
 shifting to nights and weekends. Kitchner noted that the street
 around the development is currently seen as quiet as he is away
 while the school is in session.


 Doug States spoke about affordable housing that could be
 incorporated into the subject property in opposition to the idea.
 States noted he believed North Central would have been the best
 property owner because they maintain their property.


 Marilyn Schweitzer spoke in disagreement of the prior point that
 the parkway trees will prevent the block from looking massive.


 Wright King spoke in agreement with ECHO’s position and
 expressed additional concerns over the proposed density of the
 project relative to the density when the homes in the
 neighborhood were built.


 Ross Berkley expressed that the person that began the “save the
 mansion” group no longer lives in the district. Berkley also noted
 that the financial stability of the neighborhood and overall benefit
 of the neighborhood should be considered if the land were to be
 left vacant.

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 Julie Garrison noted that ECHO is not a part of “save the mansion”
 group and the group began with several neighbors.


 Mary Anne Yep spoke about Julie Garrison’s helpfulness in
 communicating with the people in the neighborhood do not use the
 internet.


 David Hayward, Naperville resident, spoke positively about the
 work conducted by Julie Garrison for the community. Hayward
 noted concern with the density of the proposal.


 Vice Chair Jacks concluded public comment and asked for any
 questions from the HPC for the petitioner or members of the public
 to be raised.


 Commissioner Franczyk asked if the mansion units will be designed
 individually, each unit will be on individual parcels, and the three
 units could be consolidated into one unit by an individual.


 Russell Whitaker, attorney for the petitioner, clarified that the units
 would be designed individually and subdivided into separate
 parcels. Whitaker also explained that as with any residential
 configuration someone could combine all units in the mansion.


 Vice Chair Jacks noted that one person was somewhat in support
 and all other comments were opposed. Vice Chair Jacks asked the
 petitioner if they reached out for input from the neighbors.


 Russell Whitaker responded noting that there has been 18 to 20
 months of discussions with the neighborhood and City Council.
 Whitaker noted that there has not been compromise from the
 public, when the development has made compromises such as
 dedicating land to the park and restoring the mansion.


 Vice Chair Jacks asked for any other Commissioner comments
 before closing remarks. Vice Chair Jacks noted that staff is in
 support of what will be voted on this evening.


 Russell Whitaker provided closing remarks spoke about the good
 dialogue with residents including agreements and disagreements
 for the developer and residents. Whitaker noted the existing
 townhome developments in Naperville that are adjacent to single
 family homes and spoke on the belief that the proposed
 development will have a positive impact on the neighborhood
 describing the sale price of the townhomes.

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 Kathleen Russell, Community Planner, noted that there was one
 member of the public with their hand raised and asked if Vice Chair
 Jacks would like to accept the comment.


 Vice Chair Jacks noted his opinion was that the public comment is
 closed.


 Commissioner Urda shared a visual that was submitted to the HPC
 by Marilyn Schweitzer that showed the proposed project’s density
 compared to the surrounding existing homes and the massing of the
 proposed rowhomes in relation to a single family home concept.
 Commissioner Urda stated he would be voting no and asked other
 HPC members to also vote no.


 Commissioner Ory noted both parties had compelling arguments
 and asked if compromises could be reached changing the façade of
 the development and type of housing to single family.
 Commissioner Ory spoke in support of the restoration
 improvements to the mansion, the playground and rose garden. Ory
 asked for additional compromises if the proposal moves forward
 including variation in the height and setbacks of the townhomes.


 Commissioner Franczyk agreed with Commissioner Ory’s proposal
 for additional compromises which Franczyk noted could include a
 decrease in density, increased setbacks and variety in the
 elevations of the rowhomes. Commissioner Franczyk expressed
 that the more detail could be put into the preservation of the
 mansion, similar to the amount of detail put into the townhomes.
 Commissioner Franczyk asked what would stop the developer from
 beginning construction and demolishing the mansion which leaves
 the Historic District with an odd development. Commissioner
 Franczyk spoke in opposition for leveraging the preservation of the
 mansion for a higher density. Commissioner Franczyk also asked
 about the incentive agreement.


 Commissioner Urda noted the non-demolition covenant is between
 Naperville and Little Friends. Commissioner Urda spoke in concern
 with the guiding of the covenant.


 Councilmember Kelly spoke on the process of the covenant and
 noted that the COA must be forfeited and a deed and covenant
 must be recorded against any future demolition of the mansion,
 then would Naperville give Little Friends $450,000. Councilmember
 Kelly explained the intent of the and where the funds may be
 drawn from.

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 Commissioner Franczyk asked how many homes the amount was
 calculated from.


 Councilmember Kelly explained the calculation was based on 20
 years of 20 homes and noted the amount takes into account the
 highest offer with the mansion and without the mansion.


 Kathleen Russell, Community Planner, noted that because new
 evidence was brought up in the discussion, staff was advised to
 permit Russell Whitaker an opportunity to provide additional
 comment.


 Vice Chair Jacks asked for clarification on what the new evidence
 was.


 Kathleen Russell, Community Planner, noted that the visuals shared
 by Commissioner Urda may be considered new evidence.


 Commissioner Urda noted the information was provided under
 additional information.


 Russell Whitaker refrained from additional comment.


 Gabrielle Mattingly, Community Planner, noted that the incentive
 discussion is not relevant to the HPC discussion.


 Vice Chair Jacks agreed with Mattingly’s comment.


 Commissioner Urda stated that the community’s thoughts on the
 proposal are clear and that their message should be reflected in the
 HPC’s no vote.


 Commissioner Garrison spoke in agreement of a compromise and
 noted the demolition of the mansion and development of single
 family homes as a potential new compromise.


 Commissioner Urda noted that the choice is yes or no on tonight’s
 agenda item.



2. Provide a recommendation on the conditional use for 47 townhomes, variances to the lot
 area requirements, front yard setback requirements and a height variance for the property
 located at 140/126 North Wright Street and 619 E. Franklin Avenue (Heritage Place) -
 PZC 20-1-061 (Item 2 of 3)
 A motion was made by Commissioner Urda and seconded by Commissioner

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 Fessler to recommend approval of PZC 20-1-061, a conditional use for 47
 townhomes, a variance to the lot area requirement, a variance to the front yard
 setback requirement and a height variance for the property located at 140/126
 North Wright Street and 619 E. Franklin Avenue.

 Aye: Fessler and Ory

 Nays: Doyle, Eveslage, Franczyk, Garrison, Vice Chair Jacks and Urda

3. Consider the proposed exterior façade changes to the Kroehler Mansion and the
 proposed exterior façade of the townhome unit buildings for the property located at
 140/126 North Wright Street and 619 E. Franklin Avenue (Heritage Place) - COA
 20-2321 (Item 3 of 3)
 A motion was made by Commissioner Fessler and seconded by Commissioner
 Urda to approve COA 20-2321, for exterior façade changes to the Kroehler
 Mansion and the proposed exterior façade of the townhome unit buildings for the
 property located at 140/126 North Wright Street and 619 E. Franklin Avenue.

 Aye: Garrison, Fessler and Ory

 Nays: Doyle, Eveslage, Franczyk, Vice Chair Jacks and Urda

F. REPORTS

1. Approve the minutes of the June 25, 2020, Historic Preservation Commission meeting

 A motion was made by Commissioner Urda seconded by Commissioner Eveslage
 to approve the meeting minutes of the June 25, 2020, Historic Preservation
 Commission meeting.

 Aye: Doyle, Eveslage, Franczyk, Fessler, Garrison, Vice Chair Jacks, Ory,
 Chairman Peterson, and Urda

 Nays: None

G. NEW BUSINESS:

1. Conduct the discussion requested by the Historic Preservation Commission at the June
 25, 2020, meeting concerning the transition away from staff recommendations and
 towards applicants justifying their proposal against the factors of consideration
 Chairman Peterson postponed the discussion due to the late hour.

H. ADJOURNMENT:
 A motion was made by Commissioner Garrison, seconded by Commissioner Urda
 to adjourn the August 27, 2020, Historic Preservation Commission meeting at
 10:20 pm.

 Aye: Doyle, Eveslage, Franczyk, Fessler, Garrison, Vice Chair Jacks, Ory,
 Chairman Peterson, and Urda

 Nays: None
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