It’s great you’re asking for help telling time! I think you’re asking about reading the minutes on the long hand and if you should count by 5 up to the number the long hand is pointing to or to multiply that number by 5. Both ways would work! Do the math in the way that is most comfortable for you. Try both methods out and you should reach the same solution. For example, if the long hand points to 4 both results equal 20. Counting by 5 four times: 5, 10, 15, 20!! And multiplying by 4: 5 X 4 = 20 both give you the same result!