Felix: For me, I think my first steps were – my father is a designer as well, not really an industrial designer, more a communication designer. But when I have to talk about my first steps, I have to mention my father there because he was always talking about design and it also made me kind of want to go into this direction. And then, of course, I studied industrial design, started to study industrial design, and then did my internship during my studies at the design department of VW first and then later on wrote my bachelor's degree at the design  department of Bugatti. So those were like my first touchpoints with industrial design, I would say.
Alain: Yes, on my side it’s a little bit different. As I told you, I am basically a mechanical engineer, and when I joined Dassault Systèmes, my first role was more to work on mechanical design, so it’s not really what we are calling industrial design.
We are trying to create some mechanical parts, some brackets or this kind of thing. But going on in Dassault Systèmes, in fact design appears to be very important for real, nice products. So I had the opportunity to work joining both the mechanical side and design side of our customer expectation. And it was for me, a new way of looking at what can be done with CATIA at this time, and now the platform. And in fact, basically, I think 20, 25 years ago and nobody really imagined what we can do today.
Mixing mechanical engineering and industrial design to have really nice products, innovative ones with good user experience, as Felix explained, it's really very interesting. And I spent some time looking at this topic and I learned during my career at Dassault Systèmes to go toward this new topic.