Newsgroup: it.hobby.motociclismo.scooter
Titolo: Honda SH 125 - clutch problems at 9.000 Km

Hi All,
I have a an Honda SH 125, and yesterday noticed that to keep the
scooter stoped on flat ground I had to break, otherwise it would keep
going forward.
The engine idle speed is no way near too hight to cause the clutch to
grab and drive the scooter, but yet the clutch doesn't let go of the
scooter.
Even with the engine turned off, to move the scooter back and forward
I have to push hard, as if I were pushing a large car.
My scooter is now at the garage, waiting to be serviced on Thrusday -
but the mechanics have already told me they've had a case similar to
mine with the same model, at around 8 or 9.000 Km.
I definitelly do not find this to be normal wear, at all!
Has Honda recognized there's something seriously wrong with this
model's clutch, or is everyone having to pay for new clutches at just
after 9.000 Km??
Most interested to hear other people's stories about this, please.
Regards,
JBR

 Hi All,
[SNIP]
Hello, and, first of all, sorry for my english! :)
Well, I think that probably your problem appear like a broken spring of the 
clutch.
For a correct idea of the damage (if the damage is a broken spring, but I 
think that probably is that)  please download this document:
http://www.malossi.com/Archivio_Files/MONTAGGIO/7311401.pdf
Good work! :) 

Good work! :)
I wish I knew how to do it myself :-(  But I'll seriously consider
start learning how to do it.
Finally, does anyone have a clue why this type of failure may happen??
I often the notice the aluminum "case" that houses the transmission is
pretty hot at the end of a "long" ride in a summer day. Would making
this case less hot, prolong the life of the clutch, transmission belt,
and other components involved? If so, where could the equipment for
such be found? A few years ago I saw a french scooter's magazine
advertising a "gizmo" mounted on this box, aimed at bringing more air
to cool the case, but I can't find that anywhere anymore...
Thanks a lot!
JBR.

 to cool the case, but I can't find that anywhere anymore...
Uhmm....well....you must change the belt @ 24'000 km...
I think that, propably, with a more efficent ventilation of the transission, 
you can arrive @ 26-28000km..but over this distance..uhmm...difficult (in my 
opinion) because the belt had made more and more cicles: there isn't only 
the problem of the temperature... :-(((
Moreover, there is the problem of cleaning air...no water..etc...
For the clutch..consider that if you are in a long way, the clutch doesn't 
work..it work especially in stop and go..but in these condition, you don't 
have a sufficent speed to induct air in transimssion...
Uh, another point of your scooter, very important: every 1000-1500 km check 
the level of the engine coolant:sometimes, this engine "eat" a little 
quantity of water...
My God...I think that is probably incomprehensible what I have wrote... 
please sorry! :-)
Goodbye! :-)) 

please sorry! :-)
Quite the contrary - I believe I understood everything you wrote, I
wish my Italian was as good as your English, and if my replies make
any sense to you, you know for sure that we're understanding each
other!
Thanks lot! It's been a relief "talking" to you!
PS - Off Topic, but is the Beverly 250 acceptably realiable nowadays?
I'm planning to move into something in that range, but since Honda
doesn't do an SH 250, and the Scarabeo 250 isn't sold around here ...
If only T-Max's weels were an inch larger ;-)
Best wishes,
JBR

 If only T-Max's weels were an inch larger ;-)
The "beverly" is a very good byke.
It has a very, very good and durable engine, a good drive, good suspension, 
etc.
There isn't Honda quality (Honda is the best, in this case...), but the 
beverly is a very good scooter.
"Zerocento", a friend that wrote in this newsgroup, sell it at about 53'000 
km, and it "work" perfectly also today!
Be sure that Beverly is a good choice....  ;-)
-- 
Starflex,on Leo250 ST- Temerario2 e Gran Paccaro
*Ogni EURO risparmiato e'un litrozzo scarso guadagnato*
www.scooterclub-nolimits.it
*Ragazzi...casco e prudenza.SEMPRE.*
Le Netiquette su: 
www.aspide.it/netiquette
 

Hi StarFlex,
To cut a long story short:
1) the estimated from the Honda for repairing my SH, is 136 euros, in
parts only, which they're waiting to receive;
2) this is the second SH 125 they're repairing with the same problem
in a short time;
3) I've written to Honda Portugal. They said they would naturally
assume the situation - before I told them the warranty period for my
bike is over. Now that I've told them that, I'm waiting for a reply.
I may be stolen by Honda, but I'll tell my story out loud to every
magazine and "cyber" forum I possibly can.
PS - I doubt my next bike will be an Honda ;-)
Ciao,
JBR

 PS - I doubt my next bike will be an Honda ;-)
sorry, but i suppose that will be the same with every brand, non only 
with honda.... ;)
-- 
spino (RM), now on Burgman 250ie k4
ex Suzuki GSX750
ex Aprilia Motò650
ex Yamaha TT350
ex Vespa PX125E Arcobaleno
ex Atala Uno
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"...MAI GUARDARE IL PIRLA IN FACCIA, tanto è pirla e non ne vale la pena !"
(Cit. Fausto©)

 Ciao,
! :-))))
"Ciao" anche a te! (hello also to you!) 

 with honda.... ;)
Yes, I agree with you.
Price rises and customer satisfaction falls. :-(
-- 
* Bianco & Focaccia *
======================================================
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ex Dink 150LX - ex Majesty 250 - 1°/2°/3°/4° CSRN IHMS - ICQ#51583469
*Co-fond. di IHMS/Vice Presid. G.C.I.* per volere di S.Entita' Jacops I°
"Forza Vecchio Balordo. Che l'inse!"
======================================================
Legge di Bob sul marketing: "Non migliorare il prodotto, cerca un cliente
piu' scemo."

Price rises and customer satisfaction falls. :-(
Well, I once met this mechanic who advised me never to buy a bike 1 or
2 years after it's been released to the general public ;-)
Now I know he probably had Honda in mind too.
Still, I recall stories of Honda calling in their clients to take
motorcycles like Transalp (if I'm not mistaken) to have some
misconceived part replaced, for free!
I guess Honda cares more for some market segments than others ....
Yet,, the way I see it, the scooter segment is presently probably the
one with the most promising future - even Americans are increasingly
turning to scooters, to cut their gasoline bills. But would make up an
whole diferent discussion.
See ya,
JBR

"Ciao" anche a te! (hello also to you!) 
:-(  I thought I was telling you godbye :-)))
See ya, and don't ever buy a recent model bike!
JBR

 whole diferent discussion.
But the Americans have the famous "Class Action" for every claim reaching a
Justice Court. In Italy no and the lawyer costs a lot.
The translation of the last two rows of my sign is: "Bob's marketing law:
Don't make a better product, but find a more dumb customer... " ;-)
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 ..shit!
Monsieur... :-P :-D
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 Price rises and customer satisfaction falls. :-(
"...and the Economy turns around!" (cit. Giulio Tremonti)
:)))))
-- 
spino (RM), now on Burgman 250ie k4
ex Suzuki GSX750
ex Aprilia Motò650
ex Yamaha TT350
ex Vespa PX125E Arcobaleno
ex Atala Uno
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"...mai guardare in faccia un pirla: tanto è pirla e non ne vale la pena!"
(Cit. Fausto©)

Justice Court. In Italy no and the lawyer costs a lot.
Once the warranty is over, what else can you do? Some companies don't
even bother to honour their warranties properly, stalling you, waiting
for the warranty period to end, untill they finally tell you what
wrong with your equipment, and how much (more) you hve to pay them in
order to have it working properly - God knows for how long more unill
it breaks down again ;-)
Lawyers in Portugal cost an arm and a leg, and it takes years before
you get to court to even try having justice made.
Suppose a few dozen owners of Honda SHs would complain about the same
problem, in the same circumstances: a) I'm not sure if that's possible
under Portuguese law, and b) you hardly ever see an SH go by ... only
2 others since I bought mine in 2002 ...
See you,
JBR

 "...and the Economy turns around!" (cit. Giulio Tremonti)
What fuck are you citating ???? Doing so, you send at bitches our 
National Pride !! Better you citate Mr. Siffredi "turn around whenever 
you wont, but a day or another i'll find the hole, and then..." :-PPP
-- 
Stefano - Verona
Beverly 250
www.housegate.net
"In guerra ogni buco è una trincea"

 you wont, but a day or another i'll find the hole, and then..." :-PPP
Rocco for President: More pussy for all! :D
PS
Sorry for our foreigner guest...i hope he'll forget us for this jokes! :D
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 2 others since I bought mine in 2002 ...
In your case, the only thing that I see positive is the unfrequent (rare!)
problem related to your SH.
Best wishes for a quick return on the road. :-)
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 What fuck are you citating ???? Doing so, you send at bitches our
I falled under the desk... :-D
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 I falled under the desk... :-D
I'm sorry ! But no one told you that it's dangerous tu put a finger in 
the nose, for a chilli farmer ?
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 the nose, for a chilli farmer ?
So... Please, stop this buzz.
I can't stop laughing, and the guys around me are staring at me; I think 
they will call one one eight very soon...
BTW, think about a chili in the a** of the farmer... :-P
-- 
        maurizio - 
www.maurizio-marra.com
- ktm lc8 "big orange" - ktm exc 450 "orangina" -
         - honda cb 750 four ss "'76er" -
              god speed, fabrizio

 Sorry for our foreigner guest...i hope he'll forget us for this jokes! :D
I am pretty sure he is appreciating your humor, even if he can't 
understand the meaning of some words, like "Tremonti", for instance.
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 BTW, think about a chili in the a** of the farmer... :-P
Woww ! Very exciting... A tipical Aztech dish: Condor flambè :-PPPP
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 the nose, for a chilli farmer ?
First odf all, in my nose there is enough room for the entire arm...by the
way the pepper in the nose is a modern form of meditation.
And so? :-P
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 BTW, think about a chili in the a** of the farmer... :-P
The farmer will become the new 100 yards world recordmen, before to die due
to an heartattack. 8-O
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 Woww ! Very exciting... A tipical Aztech dish: Condor flambè :-PPPP
Remember me about this post next time I meet you IRL.... *eg*
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 And so? :-P
And so pass the mustard and fu@k the monkey :-P
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 understand the meaning of some words, like "Tremonti", for instance.
Tremonti is an international neologism for Crestive Economy.... :)
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Best wishes for a quick return on the road. :-)
Thanks! I'm now back on the road, after 191 Euros bill, for clutch,
spring, rollers, transmission belt, the works .... and 2 hours of
labour. :-((
None of the small springs inside the cluth was broken.
One the 3 contact pads of the clutch, was "glued" to whatever it is
supposed to "grab" when you accelerate.
The large spring of the system had turned blue ....
According to the mechanic, for some reason he can not explain, there
must have been some serious overheating in there, to ptoduce these
effects.
Oh, Honda Portugal says there's no record of similar cases, and since
my scooter had passed the warranty period . . . bad luck for me ...
So, I'm now interested in finding some way of making my transmission
run cooler than so far - in some summer days, after 30 kms, the
transmission housing was so hot, I could hardly keep my hand on it ;-)
Any suggestions on how to cool the transmission housing??
I once saw a "gizmo" glued along a transmission housing, with fins at
about a 45 degrees angle, aimed at directing more air onto the
transmission case.
I couldn't the see point of such gizmo, at that time, and now can't
seem to find anything similar, so I can say "I want one of those,
please"!
Suggestions welcome.
See you,
JBR

on fast idle rather than rely on complete slippage of the clutch).
Normally that did no happen in my scooter - it was only when that
started hapening, and the scooter still moving with me on it, at idle
speed (which was not too high) that I took the bike to the garage.
See you,
JBR

 Suggestions welcome.
Works in progress... :-)
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Works in progress... :-)
Looking forward to it :-)
If I understand correctly, there's a forced air intake, very close to
the passenger foot rest, and then an opening closer to the middle of
the case, which I suppose is meant for exit of the air forced in.
Is there any way to:
1) force more air in, and perhaps
2) "move" the air exit closer to the wheel axle?
Cheers,
JBR

 Is there any way to:
Wait..now the right think to do is...to make kilometers.
Only (but I think no) if the overheating problem will persist we will study
other solutions.
Do you agree with me? :-)
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Do you agree with me? :-)
After around 20 Km on the highway, between 70 and 100 Km/h, with an
air temperature of around 20 degress C, the part of the cover closer
to the passenger foot peg, is hot enough that although I can hold my
hand over it, it feels uncunfortable after a few seconds.
The part just over the wheel axle is not so hot - but then it also
wider, further apart  from the fairing, and getting more (outside) air
than the front of the case, closer to the engine.
So you tell me your opinion: is it still overheating, or not?
See you,
JBR

 So you tell me your opinion: is it still overheating, or not?
It's hard to say via newsgroup, but with the 90% of transmission parts
changed I'm confident in a happy end. :-)
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