Newsgroup: it.cultura.militare
Titolo: per morandini , fosforo bianco e bombe mk77

Mi daresti qualche parere personale su questo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_incendiary
Leggendo questa pagina di wikipedia vi rendete conto che probabilmente chi 
dice che
l'inchiesta di rai news 24 è sostanzialmente errata, non sbaglia.
Non solo... pare proprio che gli americani non abbiano usato l'mk77 (la 
versione moderna del napalm ... anche se con lo stesso ha veramente poco a 
che vedere)
Gli americani avrebbero sul serio usato il fosforo bianco come "illuminante" 
sotto forma di traccianti...
Ma....
Se guardate le foto del filmato di rai news 24 notate una cosa 
interessante...
http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/foto_fosforo/001.jpg
http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/foto_fosforo/006.jpg
Ora... sarò ignorante io , ma questi non sembrano proprio artifici bellici 
per illuminare il campo di battaglia...
Somigliano più a questa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USSAlabama_WP_bomb.jpg
(USS Alabama hit by a white phosphorus bomb in bombing tests by General 
Billy Mitchell, September 1921.)
o a questa roba qui:
http://ww3report.com/phosphorus.jpg
(The picture shows the Palestinian man running while a hail of white 
phosphorus scatters around him, burning bright white and leaving thick 
smoke )
Notare come la foto del palestinese sia stata scattata in tempi non 
sospetti:
http://www.ww4report.com/64.html#palestine4
ISRAEL USING PHOSPHORUS AS A WEAPON?
A Reuters photo on the Ha'aretz web site on Dec. 15 carried the caption: "A 
Palestinian runs for cover as tanks fire phosphorous during clashes in 
Nablus on Sunday." The picture shows the Palestinian man running while a 
hail of white phosphorus scatters around him, burning bright white and 
leaving thick smoke . Phosphorus is used in tracer fire, which illuminates a 
battle scene. However, the photo was taken in daylight. The Israeli army has 
been blamed in the past for use of phosphorus as a weapon in Lebanon. Gideon 
Levy wrote in Ha'aretz on Jan. 9, 2000: "The laws of war also prohibit the 
use of phosphorus against civilians. But according to the report, at least 
two children and a number of adults have been killed or injured by 
phosphorus bombs sent by Israel." (Reuters, Dec. 15; Ha'aretz, Jan. 9, 2000) 
(David Bloom)
Dalla pagina di wikipedia:
Incendiary
It is commonly believed that white phosphorus ignites spontaneously on 
contact with air at room temperature. This is not quite true; the 
autoignition temperature is actually about 30°C in humid air, and slightly 
higher in dry air. However at slightly lower temperatures WP will slowly 
surface oxidise, effectively smouldering, and will often warm up to the 
point where it will ignite. At any rate, the slightest degree of friction 
will easily ignite it, and it is practically guaranteed to be ignited by a 
burster charge, so for all intents and purposes it is pyrophoric.
Because of this, WP has long had a secondary role as an incendiary, either 
directly or more usually as a "first fire" material. Contrary to another 
popular myth, it does not burn particularly fiercely, especially in 
comparison to other incendiaries like thermite. As an incendiary, it is most 
effective against highly flammable targets like very dry vegetation or 
petrol, oils and lubricants. However a WP fire does have the special 
difficulty that if extinguished with water, even to the point of being quite 
cold, it may reignite later when it dries out and exposes the WP to the air 
again.
First aid and Toxicity
Burns to persons struck by particles of burning WP are usually much less 
extensive than napalm or metal incendiary burns, but are complicated by the 
toxicity of phosphorus, the release of phosphoric acid into the wounds, and 
the possibility of small particles continuing to smoulder for some time if 
undetected.
The most immediate concern is to exclude air from wounds so as to extinguish 
any remaining burning particles-while the first aider takes care not to 
touch the WP particles. Usually, this is mostly practicably achieved by 
cutting off contaminated clothing and dumping it in a fire resistant 
contaminated waste bin, and applying soaked compresses to the wounds. 
Ideally the compresses should be soaked in a mild sodium bicarbonate 
solution to neutralise phosphoric acid. If the patient is to be transported, 
sufficient water must be provided to keep the bandages wet at all times.
Arms control status
Use of white phosphorus is not specifically banned by any treaty, however 
the 1980 Convention on Conventional Weapons (Protocol III) prohibits the use 
of incendiary weapons against civilian populations or by air attack against 
military forces that are located within concentrations of civilians. [2] The 
United States is among the nations that are parties to the convention but 
have not signed protocol III.
Ora... ammettendo che l'uso del fosforo bianco per gli americani non sia da 
considerarsi illegale anche se usato sui civili...
Ma sganciare una grade quantità di una sostanza che genera una nube tossica 
e ustionante in un area molto limitata (un gruppo di case per esempio) non è 
paragonabilissimo all'uso di un'arma "chimica"
propriamente detta?
Quello al quale fanno riferimento a rai news 24 (e altri in giro per il 
mondo) potrebbe essere un uso volutamente "improprio" del fosforo bianco? (e 
non della bomba incendiaria mk77 che avrebbe sostituito il napalm)
Insomma qualcosa buono soltanto ad ammazzare essere umani senza incenerirli 
ma ustionandoli ed intossicandoli soltanto.
Il tutto camuffato da "artificio illuminante" o "fumogeno".
(senza togliere che hanno anche usato flares e traccianti a base di fosforo 
bianco)

 bianco)
Questo può essere, come ha ben sintetizzato l'Armellini.
Saluti,
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    Luca Morandini
www.lucamorandini.it
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 Questo può essere, come ha ben sintetizzato l'Armellini.
In quale post? mi deve essere sfuggito


ciao

 non li sto praticamente "gasando"?
Che cambia ? Non stai comunque usando un'arma da guerra. Senti, non 
stiamo a lambiccarci il cervello, i trattati come il CWC li hanno già 
scritti, e con tutte le definizioni del caso :)
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Quoto!
L'ho scritto anch'io su IPI con parole meno corrette e meno complete delle 
tue.
Diciamo che potrebbero aver "aggirato" il DIU (a prescindere da firme o 
ratifiche varie) con qualche metodo....