Newsgroup: it.politica
Titolo: Boycott of Italian goods snowballs

billion dollars.
in their wildest dreams

operators had cancelled their tours to Italy, and
This is perhaps more  important   than all the others , as
it will affect  the privately owned , small hotels and  bed
and breakfast places. They are are not big companies,  but
owned by ordinary people . They will  suffer most as they
are the ones get the bookings  of travel firms.  last year
only,  more than  30,000 Turks went to Italy for the new
year + shopping holiday on weekly tours in December and
January. 
Min of 30 m. usd robbed from the pockets of your hotel
owners and retail shops, by your communist fanatic
politicians. People should  demand answers from them .
But here in Turkey, it is people's decision not to go to
Italy , so   Government  cannot send tourists  to Italy
against their wishes, - unlike what is happening in Italy
now. 
 

Agence France-Presse 
11/21/98 
Boycott of Italian goods snowballs over Ocalan affair
By Ceyhun Erguven 
ANKARA, Nov 21 (AFP) - A boycott of Italian goods
gained pace in Turkey Saturday as a state firm
announced it would ban military imports worth up
to 300 million dollars in protest at Rome's
refusal to hand over Kurdish leader Abdullah
Ocalan.
Anatolia news agency said the State Mechanical
Industry and Chemical Company's move against a
wide range of Italian-made weapons and ammunition
would remain in force as long as Italy refuses to
deport Ocalan, head of the Kurdistan Workers'
Party (PKK).
The company, known by its initials as MKEK, also
called on Turkey's private sector to review
defense industry contracts with Italian firms,
the report said.
Seven Turkish companies or organisations have
taken action against trade or business with Italy
since the powerful Union of Chambers of Commerce
and Industry called last Monday for an economic
boycott.
Italy has said it would not extradite Ocalan to
Turkey, where he faces a possible death sentence.
An Italian court on Friday ordered him to be put
under house arrest pending a final decision, and
the Kurdish rebel chief was whisked to a secret
location on Saturday.
Turkey considers Ocalan a terrorist for his armed
campaign for an independent Kurdish homeland in
southeastern Anatolia.
The companies that have followed the boycott
include Ucem Insaat (BTP), which said it scrapped
electrical household contracts worth eight million
dollars.
Benetton's Turkish partner, Bogazici Hazir Giyim
A.S., declaring "We are giving up on colors," its
171 stores in Turkey had painted shop windows
black, mocking the "united colors" slogan of the
Italian garment giant.
Benetton's annual turnover in Turkey, the
company's third biggest market in Europe, totals
80 million dollars.
Turkey's first state bank, Ziraat Bankasi, said it
would no longer grant loans for the purchase of
tractors and other Italian farming equipment.
Before Friday's court decision in Rome, the bank
had ruled out Italian company Olivetti from a
500,000-dollar bid for photocopy machines.
On Thursday, Izmir, Turkey's third-largest city,
excluded Italian group Pirelli from a
200,000-dollars contract to provide tyres for
city buses.
Also on Thursday, Turkey's association of travel
agents, TURSAB, announced that Turkish tour
operators had cancelled their tours to Italy, and
Tekel, also a state company, said it halted
imports of alcoholic beverages from Italy.
Italian exports to Turkey totaled 3.14 billion
dollars in the first nine months of this year,
making Italy one of Turkey's main trading
partners.
The overall trade balance is largely in favor of
Italy, according to official figures with imports
from Italy reaching 4.5 billion dollars last year
and exports to Italy 1.4 billion dollars.
In all 130 Italian companies including Fiat,
Benetton, Pirelli, Olivetti, Merloni, Versace and
Divarese have business interests in Turkey.
One of the biggest is the Italian arms
manufacturer Agusta, which is hoping to win a
contract with the Turkish armed forces for the
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slm.
Do not think that we Italians are as stupid as those
communists in Rome. So I assure you that the pressure
we put on them will make them to extradite that murderer 
to Turkey.
WE WANT MORE TRADE... NOT A TERRORIST.

In the past few days your government were presented some files and
reports containing  following information. More will be presented
to-day
These files and reports are not public propoganda , but based on the
evidence and  statements of many witnnesses . and   prepared from the
reports of various western countries.  Please read them  and learn
what dilemna and contradiction is your government  in. 
They thought  what they have in their hands was a communist leader who
can influence the middle east politics and you could be friends with
him and hope to pick the fruits of this help.  Read it and judge it
yourself , how much misery this organisation caused both the Turks and
Kurds and some other nationalities. Please read . These are facts.
They  mainly fall into five categories.
-Murder
-Conspiracy to commit to murder and terrorism
-Drugs trading and smuggling
-Arms smuggling
-Kidnapping
These files will show that, PKK terrorist organisation is directly
responsible from the killings  of over 27,000 people.
They will also show that, -with the tapes of radio communications and
the sworn statements of ex and not active members of the organisation-
orders and instructions were issued to carry out assassinations and
ambushes.
They will contain official reports of  Swedish and German authorities
with respect to kidnapping of  youngsters and even children with the
purpose  of joining them to the   organisation against their will. 
On the subject of arms smuggling, they will contain reports of
international organisations, statements of ex- members and , passed
convictions 
On the subject of Drug trafficking and smuggling, there will be
reports of International Drug Traffic Observations, and various
Interpol reports and the report issued by the same organisation about
the "State of drug traffic (heroin) in the Balkans and new routes "
alleging that pkk was financing its illegal operations by drugs
smuggling.  
Since 1984, 572 people were arrested in 155 incidents, which is
directly connected to pkk 's drug smuggling and trade activities. In
these incidents following were found and confiscated: 
2 tons and 502 KGs heroin
13 tons and 163 KGs opium
4 tons and 255 KGs raw opium 
2 tons and 125 KGs hashish
22 tons and 440 KGs acid anhydrite
277 thousand amphetamine pills
In addition to these on the caves used by pkk 7 tons 466 KGs opium ,
63 KGs heroin, 
1.984.000 hashish joints. And chemical drugs processor. 
-A summary from a  report  by   USA Government office  about PKK
-PKK leader Ocalan, has applied a policy known as Iron Fist and
organised numerous terrorist attacks against civilian population. He
further ordered the assassination of all the ex-members of his
organisation.
-As well as Turkish Armed Forces, PKK has also committed terrorist
attack to the members of the Turkish Government, village guards, and
teachers in village schools. 
PKK has murdered many  Kurds also during these incidents. Among the
activities, many industrial and tourist establishments were subjected
PKK bomb  attacks. Trains, coaches and, other public transport
facilities were among the targets of PKK. Many civilians of various
nationalities died on these attacks
-PKK also used suicide bombers and in these incidents 12 security
officers, 2 civilians died and more than 50 were injured.
-PKK kidnapped 21 foreign nationals in the south east of Turkey
-In 1992 PKK has organised systematic terrorist attacks against two
western petroleum companies, and as a result of these two companies
ceased their work.
-PKK has carried out assassinations against their ex-members or to the
Kurdish refugees in Europe believed to be not supporting them and who
were living in Western Europe. 
-Ex-members of PKK were killed in Sweden (1984 & 1985), in Denmark
(1985) In Holland (1987-1989) and in Germany  (1986, 1987 and 1988)
NOW YOU YOURSELF DECIDE WHERE SUCH PERSON SHOULD BE 
(In a villa by the lakeside , or in jail behind bars giving  evidence
to his crimes ? )
rgds.

Dear Lutfu,
I'm sorry for you, but we're not a communist country. We're a country where
authorities, as gov., are under the law.
The decision of keeeping Ocalan was taken by Rome Court, and Italian gov.
must respect it.
About wheter considering Ocalan a terrorist or not, have you ever thought
that Kurdish people colud have used guerrilla because first and unique
response to their request for autonomy was only militar repression ordered
by Turkish gov.?
If you want to become a E.U. member, your gov. should start facing this kind
of issues in another way.
rgds.

   I don't think Italy is the only country on earth with laws.
   Turkey has laws also just as any other country can have.
   And in Turkey you cannot pickup the gun start killing.
   I am sure this is the same in Italy.
   There are also International treaties, rules and regulations
   (even simple ethics) that anyone who has an International
   warrant could or should investigated.
   This man came to your country with a fake passport, only
   this act of his should be a reason for your laws start working.
   He has several redbulletins on his name from Turkey and one
   from Germany.
   If you are so civilized and law abiding, why not take necessary
   procedures?
   No. Your government is simply helping him for their political
   reasons/purposes. This is why Turkish people is showing a
   harsh reaction. I think the issue here is not the Italian law but
   a communist symphatizer Italian Government's bigotry.
   nevzat
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Lütfen  bu oyunlara düşmeyin sizi İtalyanlara küfrewttirmek istiyorlar .
Şunu düşünün niye bir komunist yaw bizim bayrağımızı yakıyorlşar diye sağcılara
yakınsın.
Bizim sorunumuz İtalyanlarla değil, bazı İtalyan parlementerle, vew tabi ki
Apocularla İtalyanlare küfrederek bu saymış olduğum grupları oyununa gelmeyin.
Bunu lütfen buradaki diğer arkadaşlarada anlatın.
Saygılar:-)


No doubts about.
But we cannot allow nor understand the histeric reaction of your Government and of
all the people as soon as Ocalan was captured.
You say "laws exist in both countries". Well, let them decide.
Hi
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You say "laws exist in both countries". Well, let them decide.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wonder if you ever considered the mass hysteria that Mussolini and NAZI 
servants caused in your country. Also, the one that caused the public to lynch 
them, and display his and his mistresses carcass hanging so that passers-by 
can spit on them. Now, why don't you stop the arrogant behaviour and behave 
like a humanbeing ! 
You and I, we both know that even GOD's Laws are not enough to push people to 
the right way. People will go astray ! But, truth and humanity will prevail! 
So don't hide behind what you call the LAW ! Unfortunately, Laws are there to 
be broken, not to be obeyed ! 
Turkish people want this hideous man to be punished, and so shall be. Nothing 
can stand against this will for JUSTICE, you know that. Even you Italians 
don't care about Italian Law, so why should we ? Also, we are not after 
personal gain, or vengance, what we want is to STOP KILLING of INNOCENT 
PEOPLE. STOP TERRORISM .
We know that bringing this man in TURKEY and trying him will stop and help 
dismantle the killing machine he built.
You have to choose your side wisely ! Are you for stoping this monster or 
helping him justify and extend his genocide ?
Take care !

of issues in another way.
If you want to become smarter, you have to think more. Becoming a citizen of a 
EU member doesnot auotmatically make you smarter. The only thing it may do is 
make you lazier , if you aren't careful !
RGDS !

I see you immediately reduced the subject to "my knowledge of your gov's
purposes". First of all I said "reasons/purposes". Not just purposes as you put
it.
I also noticed that you have a "nonworking e-mail adress".
Anyway, your gov.'s reasons/purposes would lie deep down in the roots of a
longstanding
fear of Ottoman Empire headache. By not  letting Republic of Turkey, with 60
million
young population, to reach to the same prosperity levels as the other EU
countires, they
are simply reacting to a would be danger. This is simply a primal instinct which
every
living body carries.
"So, what is your point?" you might ask. And you are correct. Yes, Turks also
suffer from this so called universal behaviour as well as a Serbian or an Eskimo
or even a crab in the water.
I do not believe a bit to those "Italian laws, democracy" bull. Italian
Government
showing the same instincts as a "poked with a stick" creature. Same reactions.
But I have to give it to them, they have enough intelligence to cover this up
with
bigotry. The worse part of it, they belive in what they are doing.
nevzat
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Dear Nevzat,
I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings and your pride to belong to a
great country. But, like it or not, you have to accept that Italy is a
democratic country, where decisions are taken not under Army pressure. Are
you sure is the same for Turkey, that the role of the Army is not too
intrusive in your gov. decisions'?
Plus, I've got to remind you that Italian Constitution prohibits to
extradite people to country where death penalty is in force. Have you got a
solution for that?
Finally, answer this last question sincerely and honestly : are you sure
Turkish gov., now and in the past, faced Kurdish problem always in the right
way, without pushing them to use terroristic ways to respond gov.
repression?
Rgds.
Giacomo

RGDS !
So, why did you gov. present formal request to become EU member? Should it
withdraw it? I don't wanna flame with you,  'cause it's not worth it, but
remember: without Europe and U.S., you're nothing but an emargined country.
Rgds (without yelling: it's a matter of good manner)

Hi:-)
Sorry for my bad english , if I am impolite it is because of my bad grammar.
This is your own idea. We  can apply your ideas to every and each European
country.
From your ideas we can arrive that conclusion; there is one State around the
World and it is U. S. A. is not it ?
If it is wrong , why European countries trying to create United States of
Europe ? ;-)
Bye:-)

Giacomo Bruni wrote:
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what the fuck is 'emargined'?

2- PKK admits being anti-Kurdish;
(During the spring of 1991, while Saddam was chasing Iraqi Kurds to the 
Turkish border.)
"... Halkimiz, kadIn-cocuk Saddam'ln fasist gucleriyle carpisirken ve onlari 
adim adim ulkeden kovarken, APO'nun Merkez Yurutme'si Irak Muhaberatinin 
konugu oluyordu..." 
                (PKK-VEJlN'in 17 sayfalik bildirisinden)
In english;
"...When our nation (KURDS), women and children included, was fighting with 
the fascist army of SADDAM, and chasing them out of the country (KURDISTAN), 
APO and his Central Committee was the guest of Iraqi Chief of Staff..."
                (source : PKK-VEJIN , probably naive idiot who has written 
this has been butchered in to thousand pieces by APO's thugs, as APO cannot 
handle any critism or the truth about him)
PKK is the OPRESSOR of the KURDISH people....PKK kills KURDISH people.

 wrote:
Giacomo,
You better learn one or two thing about PKK ;
1- PKK is not for KURDISH people, it is for killing Kurdish people. here is 
the proof  read it well;
WHO IS ABDULLAH OCALAN?
by Michael Radu
Foreign Policy Research Institute
On November 13, the Italian police arrested Abdullah Ocalan, founder
and leader of the Kurdish Worker's Party (PKK) at Rome's airport. He
had just arrived from Moscow with a false passport and, upon arrest,
asked for political asylum. Coming at a time when British authorities
are detaining former Chilean president Augusto Pinochet, who stands
accused by a Spanish judge of terrorism and genocide, the arrest of
Ocalan on an outstanding warrant issued in Turkey promises to raise
significant questions about European politics, international legal
standards, and the very possibility of cooperation in combating
terrorism.
Born in 1948 in a village in Eastern Turkey, Ocalan studied political
science at Ankara University, where he became a Maoist. By 1973 he had
organized a Maoist group - which initially included Kurdish as well as
Turkish militants - whose goal was socialist revolution in Turkey.
After years of recruiting and indoctrinating followers, the PKK was
formally established on November 7, 1978. In the previous year, he
committed his first known murder, that of an ideological rival accused
of working for the government.
Since then, the group has evolved into a deadly insurgence against
Turkey, reaching a strength of some 5,000 by 1992. From his bases in
Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley, Ocalan conducted a ruthless
campaign, ostensibly for Kurdish independence but, as widely available
PKK internal documents suggest, the ultimate goal is the creation of a
Maoist state in areas of Turkey, Iran, and Iraq. (Skeptics are urged
to visit their website at http;/
burn.ucsd.edu/~ats/PKK/
.) Ocalan's
ambitions were clearly defined in 1995 at the Fifth Congress of the
PKK, where the "Resolution on Internationalism" stated that "By
effectively arguing in favor of socialism and by spreading socialist
ideas to the people of the region, [the PKK] is the vanguard of the
global socialist movement." In 1984 the PKK was a founding member of
the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement (RIM), a sort of loosely
structured Maoist version of Lenin's Comintern that also includes
Peru's Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso).
Indeed, the similarities between the PKK and the Shining Path are
striking: like the latter's founder, Abimael Guzman, Ocalan is a
Maoist with global leadership ambitions; their tactics are
particularly bloody, even by terrorist standards, and the main victims
are civilians who refuse to submit to their groups. Frequent targets
include teachers, members of village self-defense groups, and elected
local officials. So far, since the beginning of its operations in
1980, the PKK is primarily responsible for a war that has left some
30,000 people dead (compared with 25,000 for the Shining Path). In
addition, the PKK was responsible for a number of murders of Turks in
Germany, which is the reason the German government has also issued a
warrant for Ocalan's arrest.
For almost two decades, Ocalan has operated from Syria and
Syrian-occupied Lebanon. However, last October, after Turkey very
nearly went to war against Syria, Damascus backed down, closed PKK
camps and expelled Ocalan. First he fled to Moscow, where he has
enjoyed close relations for decades. While the Russian government
denied any knowledge of his whereabouts, on November 4 the Duma
unanimously voted to demand that he be given asylum. Two days later,
109 socialist and communist members of the Greek Parliament - one
third of the entire body - issued an invitation to Ocalan to come to
Greece as "leader of the world's most oppressed people." The
collective invitation, supported by Greece's deputy speaker,
Panayiotis Sgouridis, was renewed by a Greek Socialist parliamentarian
in Rome, after Ocalan's arrest.
To its credit the Russian government, under pressure from Turkey and
the United States, expelled Ocalan, forcing him to flee to Italy. The
terrorist leader's choice was not accidental: Italy's government is
dominated by ex-communists of the party of the Democratic Left and
supported by the unreconstructed ones. Sure enough a prominent
Democratic Left leader has already expressed support for Ocalan's
request for asylum, while leaders (and parliamentarians) of the Greens
and the orthodox communists became his lawyers. In fact, the orthodox
communist Giuliano Psiapia, one of Ocalan's lawyers, used to be
chairman of the Italian Parliament's Justice committee. As the
influential Milan newspaper La Stampa put it, the communist Justice
Minister, Oliviero Diliberto, has a dilemma on his hands: "What would
the Italian government do with Abdullah Ocalan, leader of the PKK and
the Kurdish resistance, a terrorist for the Turkish and German
authorities, who want him in their jails, and a patriot for the
Italian Greens and Communists?" Ocalan's arrest raises serious issues
that include, but go beyond that of dealing with terrorism. Judging by
the number of victims, Ocalan is in rarefied company in today's
terrorist Pantheon - only Guzman himself and the other Maoist cum
nationalist Vellupilai Pirapaharan of the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka
are in the same league. That the dominant parties in the Russian Duma
and NATO members Italy and Greece openly support and lionize him is
disturbing indeed. In Russia's case this suggests that an eventual
Communist replacement of Yeltsin could well bring back some of
Moscow's worst Cold War habits: support for large scale international
terrorism. As for Greece, it appears that the traditional reflexive
support for any enemy of Turkey is reaching dangerously provocative
and irrational heights - not a good omen for the stability of the
Alliance's southern flank. 
Italy already has had a bad record in dealing with foreign terrorists:
they routinely walk away from its jails, are given asylum or allowed
to transit freely. It is also important to see if the ex-communists
dominating the government in Rome have indeed become democratic or
still share Ocalan's beliefs in "proletarian internationalism," and
put them above justice and good sense. Furthermore, an Italian refusal
to extradite Ocalan will irreparably damage Europe's already tense
relations with Turkey and make a further mockery of the European
Union's pontifications about "human rights" and international law.
Indeed, if Ocalan goes free after a campaign that has left 30,000 dead
in the name of Maoism, while Pinochet is put on trial for the deaths
of 3,000 in winning Chile's war against communism, then we will know
that the European capacity for political hypocrisy has not been
exhausted by the fall of the Soviet Union. 
 
Foreign Policy Research Institute
1528 Policy Research Institute
1528 Walnut Street, Suite 610
Philadelphia, PA 19102-3684
Tel: 
(215)732-3774
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You Turkishes: think about  how much you count on the world scenery without
Nato and U.S. support.
Good luck.

Guicomo then try the bastard in Italy. Or, make up your mind and do something 
, don't make us wait in the limbo;
Check this out;
"The village men carried out the dead bodies wrapped in blankets. They
unrolled them gently for us to see. One child had an arm crooked, as though
trying to protect her face. There was blood everywhere. The oldest must
have been about seventeen, the youngest about seven.
"The whole family had been asleep in the village of Görümlü when terrorists
smashed a window and lobbed in a hand grenade. The three girls were killed
instantly, the baby's cradle was destroyed.
"Outside all was apparently normal: a cockerel perched on a dung heap and
hens pecked away in the sun. But the whole village, high in the rugged
mountains on the Turkish side of the border, was in a state of shock. It
was, the inhabitants said, the second attack by the Kurdistan Workers'
Party (PKK) on the village in a few days..." (Ann Clwyd, Member of
Parliament, The Times, April 4, 1995)