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Police Use of Force in Genoa Raises Outcry Weeks Later
By MELINDA HENNEBERGER
ROME, Aug. 7 — More than two weeks ago, Susan Hager received
a telephone call in Portland, Ore., about her daughter, a student
who had stopped off in Genoa to join protesters at the Group of 8
summit meeting on her way to a junior year abroad program in Siena.
 "Her friend had found her bloody belongings" at the Armando Diaz
school complex in Genoa where protesters had been staying, Mrs.
Hager said. There, in the early hours of July 22, 92 young people
were dragged from their beds by squads of Italian anti-riot police
officers who beat and jailed them.
 Sixty of those demonstrators — originally described by
Italian officials as marauding anarchists but in more recent
official reports as mostly peaceful — were injured in the
raid. At least two dozen were hospitalized, including Mrs. Hager's
daughter, Morgan, and two other Americans.
 Witnesses described students crouching as they were kicked,
pummeled with clubs and thrown down stairs, and emergency room
doctors said a number of the injured would have died without
treatment. Television crews arriving on the scene later filmed
pools of blood and teeth knocked out during the raid.
 It was a day or two "before we knew our daughter wasn't in a
coma," Mrs. Hager said. But Morgan Hager, 20, an honors student at
the University of Oregon, had cuts and bruises from her ankles to
her neck and three broken bones in her hand.
 Almost as painful as the news about her daughter, Mrs. Hager said,
was the sense that most Americans remain unaware of the brutality
of the raid, which Italian officials originally justified by saying
that protesters at the school — made available to nonviolent
demonstrators — had been harboring members of the violent
Black Bloc anarchists.
 Four Americans remain in jail, including Susanna Thomas, a Bryn
Mawr student and Quaker from Warren, N.J., who was arrested with an
Austrian theater group as it was leaving Genoa.
 Outrage about the police behavior has built across Europe, where
the issue has become a major embarrassment for Prime Minister
Silvio Berlusconi. Thousands of people have marched in protest,
governments have expressed concern and newspapers have been filled
with accounts of police brutality. One young Italian man was shot
dead in the protests at the summit meeting, about 200 people were
injured and some 300 were arrested.
 There have been major demonstrations in Paris, London, Geneva,
Rome, Berlin, Belgrade and Athens, where riot police officers used
tear gas to disperse several thousand people en route to the
Italian embassy. In Amsterdam last week, about a dozen protesters
managed to take over the Italian consulate and hung a banner out
front: "Italy Tortures G- 8 Detainees."
 Spain's European Affairs Secretary, Ramon de Miguel, called the
scenes a replay of fascism. Hans- Christian Ströbele, a
European deputy from Germany, said the Genoa police reminded him of
"the military dictatorship in Argentina."
 Hermann Lutz, chairman of the European Police Union, told the
German television network ZDF that as he watched the riots on
television he thought "it had to have been in some kind of
dictatorship or in Eastern Europe or in Cuba, but not among us in
the middle of Europe."
 Germany's Foreign Minister, Joschka Fischer, a left-wing activist
in his younger years, has called his Italian counterpart, Renato
Ruggiero, to urge the Italian government to investigate police
actions. Twenty- one Germans are among the 39 people still being
held in Italian jails.
 One German who was also arrested in the raid at the school in
Genoa, a man who asked that he not be identified, described his
ordeal in a statement issued by his lawyer, Dagmar Vogel, in
Oberhausen, Germany: "I was hit in the head, the back, and the legs
and a hard hit on the head. My skull flattened. I bled badly. I lay
in my own blood bath and didn't move at all." After 2 a.m., he was
arrested while still in the hospital, and was not allowed to sleep
or make telephone calls, he said. During four days of detention, he
said he was forced to stand with his hands against a wall for
hours, harassed about going to the bathroom and taken from one
location to another.
 Ms. Thomas was arrested along with two dozen members of the
Austrian group Publix Theater. According to the respected Austrian
weekly Profil, the conservative Austrian government initially
dismissed reports of police brutality and sent Italian officials
reports in which Publix performers had been characterized as
violent anarchists. But Profil said those reports predated an
economic summit meeting in Salzburg in July at which the group
protested peacefully with street performances. After reading a full
investigation by the Austrian consulate general in Milan, Foreign
Minister Benita Maria Ferrero-Waldner is reported to have requested
that Italy transfer home the 16 remaining Publix members.
 In a summary of the Austrian consulate's report to the Austrian
Foreign Ministry, posted on Profil's web site
(
www.profil.at/aktuell
), several members of Publix described being
arrested at gunpoint, strip searched, beaten and berated by
officers who shouted in English, "I break you!" and "You monster!"
 Ms. Thomas's family has complained that the United States
government has not done nearly enough in speaking out against what
went on.
 "The U.S. is conspicuous by its absence in the list of nations
that have protested to the Italian government over the imprisonment
and the behavior of the Italian police in their handling of the
protests in Genoa," her father, Rick Thomas, said in a message on
the family's web site.
 A spokesman for the American Consulate in Milan said, "We're doing
all we can."
 Even some members of Italy's center-right coalition now concede
that something went terribly wrong in Genoa, though they continue
to point fingers at the left, saying that the former center-left
government was responsible for planning security for the summit
meeting. (!!!)
 Italian courts have opened at least half a dozen separate
investigations into various allegations of police brutality, and a
parliamentary inquiry began today.
 Testifying at a Senate hearing in Rome, Genoa's leftist mayor,
Guiseppe Pericu, said Mr. Berlusconi's government should shoulder
the full blame for police misconduct.
Mr. Berlusconi has also been criticized recently for suggesting
that he would like to get out of being host to the United Nations
Food and Agriculture Organization, scheduled to meet in Rome in
November.
 Interior Minister Claudio Scajola has removed three top police
officials who ran security operations at the summit meeting, but
has not apologized. "A state must never lose the monopoly on the
use of force," he said recently, "and the ability to guarantee the
safety of a summit."
 But other members of the government coalition have criticized Mr.
Berlusconi directly.
 "It is not possible that the head of government goes to Genoa four
times, and preoccupies himself only with flower pots, dirty laundry
and building facades," Domenico Fisichella, a senator of the
far-right Alleanza Nazionale, said in a radio interview on Monday,
referring to Mr. Berlusconi's comments before the meeting that the
city was unsightly.
 "Who was taking care of the problems of public order?" Mr.
Fisichella asked. "Who evaluated the impact? Why were necessary
precautions not taken? It's too easy to liquidate a few
functionaries and consider the question closed."

Grazie per la traduzione!
Ash

 Ash
Ma come? Le 3 i? Internet, Inglese e Impunità?
Jester

Peccato che ho studiato tedesco...

of the raid,
blablabla cazzate. c'erano violenti e la polizia doveva intervenire
per dfendere proprietà e sicurezza dei cittadini!
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invece di riportare paro paro cazzate lette da qualche parte, magari
potresti anche mettere in moto il cervello e criticare un po' quello
che leggi. grazie.
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sgu4zz0

 sgu4zz0
Non puoi tentare di cavare sangue dalle rape ....
Per poter mettere in moto il cervello, occorre averlo, e il mendace
tuttologo millantatore 'ernesto' ciancialesto ha depositato il
suo all'ammasso dei trinariuciuti. Quel poco che gli hanno lasciato
é poi marcito ed evaporato.
g

 per dfendere proprietą e sicurezza dei cittadini!
Stronzata colossale:  i danni erano gia' stati fatti e l'incursione
nelle scuole non e' servita a difendere un bel niente!!
            Saluti

nelle scuole non e' servita a difendere un bel niente!!
come fai a dire ciò? probabile che in quel covo di facinorosi girasse
droga a fiumi!
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sk4zz0

 droga a fiumi!
Attento, stai per entrare in un giro vizioso in cui, per giustificare
una stupidaggine detta nel messaggio precedente, saresti
inevitabilmente costretto a spararne ogni volta una ancora
piu' grossa.
Ti consiglio vivamente di fermarti qui: e' meglio limitarsi
a due fesserie colossali senza replicare, piuttosto che
continuare in una lunga serie solo per tentare di
mantenere il punto!!!
            Saluti

di studenti nelle scuole e ragazzi dei bar.
non ho capito questa frase
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sk4zz0

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nota il "probabile" nel mio post precedente. non ho detto che la droga
girava.
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sk4zz0

 girava.
Lo vedi che avevo ragione?!??!
Ad ogni messaggio la spari piu' grossa!!
Ogni volta che tenti di dare una giustificazione ad
una fesseria detta nel messaggio precedenti, ne
dici una ancora piu' clamorosa!!
Allora, secondo te, sarebbe "normale" che, per il sospetto
che in un gruppo di persone ci sia qualche delinquente
(ammesso poi che il detenere droga si possa ritenere un
delitto), si massacrino di botte tutte senza distinzione?!?!!?
Ti rendi conto dell''enormita' di quello che dici?
            Saluti

 nelle scuole non e' servita a difendere un bel niente!!
Evidentemente per te, recuperare coltelli, spranghe, bottiglie Molotov, asce
(!!) dopo che all'ingresso un carabiniere č stato quasi accoltellato
(episodio che giustamente i media hanno pensato bene di far passare in
secondo piano...) significa "niente"!!
D'altra parte, gli strumenti sopra citati sono indispensabili per una
protesta pacifica.....
Perché i discorsetti anti-forze dell'ordine non andate a farli a chi si č
ritrovato con il negozio devastato o l'auto incendiata!!!
Se venissi a rigarvi la fiancata della vostra auto (ovviamente in nome
dell'anti-globalizzazione), sono sicuro che poi sareste contenti di sapere
che me la sono cavata con una denuncia a piede libero...
Bob

 che me la sono cavata con una denuncia a piede libero...
Una cosa e' certa: non sarei contento per niente se la polizia
pestasse quello che mi ha rigato l'auto e lo sarei ancora di meno
se il pestaggio fosse esteso pure ai suoi amici che non c'entravano
niente. Magari, pensa quanto sono strano, mi sarebbe piaciuto
che i poliziotti, presenti al fatto, avessero cercato di impedirlo.
Se poi c'e' qualcuno animato da puro sadismo, allora e' un altro
discorso.
            Saluti

fumare causasse comportamenti antisociali violenti,
violenti forse no. ma solo perché quella roba sembra avere effetti
calmanti.
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sk4zz0

momento dell'irruzione la proprieta' era gia' stata distrutta
certo, ecco un ottimo motivo per non fare nulla...
togliti quelle lenti rosse dagli occhi.
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sk4zz0

 togliti quelle lenti rosse dagli occhi.
Caro mio, pare proprio che tu abbia le idee piuttosto
confuse: prima dici che la polizia e' dovuta intervenire per
salvaguardare la proprieta', poi quando ti si fa notare
che e' un'emerita stronzata, sostieni che comunque
doveva intervenire lo stesso!!!
Per piacere, deciditi e dicci per quale motivo e'
intervenuta!!!!!!!!!
            Saluti

e che ormai i disordini erano terminati.
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PER DARE LE BOTTE A QUEI CAZZO DI COMUNISTI DI MERDA!!!!!!!!
E CHE CAZZO!
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sk4zz0 
(pane al pane e vino al vino)

 (pane al pane e vino al vino)
Porco dio se sei diretto!

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e quanno ce vņ ce vņ! :)))))))
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sk4zz0n3

 (pane al pane e vino al vino)
Gratta il destro democratico e liberale e sotto traspare il fascista.
Un saluto
Gianni
PS: Aderite compatti al Luigino Fans Club (n° 44 soci, finora)
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Socio fondatore del Luigino Fans Club. Tessera n° 0001
Non sarà troppo pericoloso tenere a Palazzo Chigi le riunioni del governo?
Per evitare disordini dei soliti violenti, propongo che tali riunioni si
tengano a Timbuctù.

 Gratta il destro democratico e liberale e sotto traspare il fascista.
Gratta le manifestazioni di sinistra democratiche e pacifiche e sotto
traspaiono i guerriglieri della domenica col passamontagna di Barbie. E
prendete pure le pallottole in fronte, coglioni.

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Immagino che questo "nobile" post farà piacere al papà di Carlo
Giuliani.
L'imbecillità crea mostri.
Pietà per chi ha tirato un numero basso alla lotteria genetica!
ernesto

Pietà per chi ha tirato un numero basso alla lotteria genetica!
oh, quanto è vero :)
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sk4zz0

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Bestemmia a casa tua, Kafone !
g

 Bestemmia a casa tua, Kafone !
E tu usa quelle K del cazzo in culo a tua madre, idiota!

 Pietà per chi ha tirato un numero basso alla lotteria genetica!
Ma che pieta', questi idioti vanno annientati!

"Torquemada." wrote:
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Le K le hanno introdotte di certo i Kompagni ed ora se le tengono ....
Quanto al resto che scrivi, nonostante il ribrezzo per la volgarità
molto comune tra i Kompagni dello spazio virtuale, é molto divertente
e soprattutto utile vederli uscire in natura con tutto il loro
lerciume che li rende prontamente riconoscibili per la feccia che sono.
g