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Titolo: IL LIBERISMO IN UNA LEZIONE (in inglese)

Libertarianism in One Lesson 
                   Part of the "Critiques of Libertarianism" site. 
 
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html
 
                         Last updated 04/16/99. 
No, this isn't David Bergland's evangelistic text. This is an
outsider's view of the precepts of
libertarianism. I hope you can laugh at how close this is to real
libertarianism! 
Introduction 
One of the most attractive features of libertarianism is that it is
basically a very simple ideology. Maybe
even simpler than Marxism, since you don't have to learn foreign words
like "proletariat". 
This brief outline will give you most of the tools you need to hit the
ground running as a freshly
indoctrinated libertarian ideologue. Go forth and proselytize! 
 Philosophy 
    In the beginning, man dwelt in a state of Nature, until the
serpent Government tempted man into
    Initial Coercion. 
    Government is the Great Satan. All Evil comes from Government, and
all Good from the Market,
    according to the Ayatollah Rand. 
    We must worship the Horatio Alger fantasy that the meritorious few
will just happen to have the
    lucky breaks that make them rich. Libertarians happen to be the
meritorious few by ideological
    correctness. The rest can go hang. 
    Government cannot own things because only individuals can own
things. Except for corporations,
    partnerships, joint ownership, marriage, and anything else we
except but government. 
    Parrot these arguments, and you too will be a singular, creative,
reasoning individualist. 
    Parents cannot choose a government for their children any more
than they can choose language,
    residence, school, or religion. 
    Taxation is theft because we have a right to squat in the US and
benefit from defense,
    infrastructure, police, courts, etc. without obligation. 
    Magic incantations can overturn society and bring about
libertopia. Sovereign citizenry! The 16th
    Amendment is invalid! States rights! 
    Objectivist/Neo-Tech Advantage #69i : The true measure of fully
integrated honesty is whether the
    sucker has opened his wallet. Thus sayeth the Profit Wallace.
Zonpower Rules Nerdspace! 
    The great Zen riddle of libertarianism: minimal government is
necessary and unnecessary. The
    answer is only to be found by individuals. 
 Government 
    Libertarians invented outrage over government waste, bureaucracy,
injustice, etc. Nobody else
    thinks they are bad, knows they exist, or works to stop them. 
    Enlightenment comes only through repetition of the sacred mantra
"Government does not work"
    according to Guru Browne. 
    Only government is force, no matter how many Indians were killed
by settlers to acquire their
    property, no matter how many blacks were enslaved and sold by
private companies, no matter
    how many heads of union members are broken by private police. 
    Money that government touches spontaneously combusts, destroying
the economy. Money
    retained by individuals grows the economy, even if literally
burnt. 
    Private education works, public education doesn't. The publicly
educated masses that have grown
    the modern economies of the past 150 years are an illusion. 
    Market failures, trusts, and oligopolies are lies spread by the
evil economists serving the
    government as described in the "Protocols of the Elders of
Statism". 
    Central planning cannot work. Which is why all businesses
internally are run like little markets, with
    no centralized leadership. 
    Paternalism is the worst thing that can be inflicted upon people,
as everyone knows that fathers are
    the most hated and reviled figures in the world. 
    Government is like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearsome
master. Therefore, we should avoid it
    entirely, as we do all forms of combustion. 
 Regulation 
    The FDA is solely responsible for any death or sickness where it
might have prevented treatment
    by the latest unproven fad. 
    Children, criminals, death cultists, and you all have the same
inalienable right to own any weaponry:
    conventional, chemical, biological, or nuclear. 
    All food, drugs, and medical treatments should be entirely
unregulated: every industry should be
    able to kill 300,000 per year in the US like the tobacco industry.
    If you don't have a gun, you are not a libertarian. If you do have
a gun, why don't you have even
    more powerful armament? 
    Better to abolish all regulations, consider everything as
property, and solve all controversy by civil
    lawsuit over damages. The US doesn't have enough lawyers, and
people who can't afford to invest
    many thousands of dollars in lawsuits should shut up. 
 Libertarian Party 
    The Libertarian Party is well on its way to dominating the
political landscape, judging from its
    power base of 100+ elected dogcatchers and other important
officials after 25 years of effort. 
    The "Party of Oxymoron": "Individualists unite!" 
    Flip answers are more powerful than the best reasoned arguments,
which is why so many
    libertarians are in important government positions. 
    It's time the new pro-freedom libertarian platform was
implemented; child labor, orphanages,
    sweatshops, poorhouses, debtor's prisons, company towns,
monopolies, trusts, cartels, blacklists,
    private goons, slumlords, etc. 
    Libertarianism "rules" Internet political debate the same way US
Communism "ruled"
    pamphleteering. 
    No compromise from the "Party of Principle". Justice, happiness,
liberty, guns, and other good
    stuff come only from rigidly adhering to inflexible dogmas. 
    Minimal government is whatever we say it is, and we don't agree. 
    Government is "moving steadily in a libertarian direction" with
every change libertarians approve of;
    no matter if it takes one step forward and two steps backwards. 
    Yes, the symbol of the Libertarian Party is a Big Government
Statue. It's not supposed to be funny
    or ironic! 
 Political Debate Strategy 
    Count only the benefits of libertarianism, count only the costs of
government. 
    Five of a factoid beats a full argument. 
    All historical examples are tainted by statism, except when they
favor libertarian claims. 
    Spiritually baptize the deceased as libertarians because they
cannot protest the anachronism:
    Locke, Smith, Paine, Jefferson, Spooner, etc. 
    The most heavily armed libertarian has the biggest dick and thus
the best argument. 
    The best multi-party democratic republics should be equated to the
worst dictatorships for the
    purposes of denouncing statism. It's only a matter of degree. 
    Inviolate private property is the only true measure of freedom.
Those without property have the
    freedom to try to acquire it. If they can't, let them find
somebody else's property to complain on. 
    Private ownership is the cure for all problems, despite the
historical record of privately owned
    states such as Nazi Germany, Czarist and Stalinist Russia, and
Maoist China. 
    Require perfection as the only applicable standard to judge
government: libertarianism, being
    imaginary, cannot be fairly judged to have flaws. 
    Only libertarian economists' Nobel Prizes count: the other
economists and Nobel Prize Committee
    are mistaken. 
    Any exceptional case of private production proves that government
ought not to be involved. 
 

Libertarianism in One Lesson

libertarismo. 
Dellabona, sappi innanzitutto che sei uno dei pochi che stimo in
questo newsgroup e mi trovo spesso d'accordo con le tue posizioni.
Detto questo, ciň che noi chiamiamo liberismo in USA č espresso dal
Libertarian Party e se ti leggi il testo vedrai che si parla proprio
dei temi preferiti dai liberisti: privatizzazioni, riduzione della
presenza dello Stato in economia, eccetera eccetera.
Io sono anti-liberista e anche il testo che ho postato lo č.
Leggilo, perché č molto divertente.
Ciao

 Ciao
Guarda che è segno di disonestà intellettuale dire quale sia l'opinione del
tuo interlocutore.
Tu assegni al liberismo delle caratteristiche di anarchia, quando la
libertà economica non esiste senza un Governo che faccia rispettare le
regole del gioco (antitrust, insider trading, pressioni violente sui
concorrenti, ecc.).
Solo che se tu guardassi le cose per quello che sono saresti anche tu un
liberale.   Invece ti hanno lavato il cervello, e giochi sporco pur di
dimostrare che i liberali e liberisti sono delle bestie cattive in
minoranza che vogliono succhiare il sangue alla maggioranza.
Forse ti sbagli con i comunisti.    Anzi, aggiungo che chi ha scritto quel
testo in inglese, e così quelli che sono d'accordo, sono potenzialmente
dannosi almeno quanto i comunisti (e forse anche di più).
Sandro


wrote:
Tartari, sappi che col tuo parere mi ci pulisco regolarmente il culo.

Bene, sono contento che tu abbia confermato che il comunista medio non
vuole il bene dell'umanità, ma è semplicemente un egoista che ha bisogno
di nemici (se non esistono se li crea) per sentirsi buono.
Mi dispiace per te, deve essere dura vivere con la necessità di dover
odiare qualcuno.
Sandro
"H.Simpson" ha scritto:
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wrote:
Ma io non ti odio! Come posso odiare la carta igienica?
Teneroooo Tartaryyyyyy, tenero come teeeeeee
tenero come un voloooooo che tenero иииииииии
(musica: "Tenera Tenderly")

presenza dello Stato in economia, eccetera eccetera.
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 libertarismo.
Ahime' questa pare una "confusione terminologica" comune quando si confronta 
inglese e italiano. In italiano i "libertari" sono sempre stati gli
"anarchici" (quindi ultra-sinistra) in senso "sociale", mentre i "liberisti"
sono sempre stati in senso economico (e tendenzialmente di destra).
L'inglese tende a usare "libertarian" per "liberista".
Ritengo opportuno che la discussione continui SOLO su
it.cultura.linguistica.italiano
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essere utile.
Scommetto che vai benissimo anche tu con la barba di due giorni....

 L'inglese tende a usare "libertarian" per "liberista".
Qui in America un libertarian vero aderisce all'idea della liberta` sia
nel senso "sociale" che "economico," anzi respinge il concetto che questi
sensi siano separati, e respinge ugualmente il concetto di destra e
sinistra, ritenendo che questo sia una truffa per ridurre la scelta
politica in una scelta tra due autoritarismi.

 politica in una scelta tra due autoritarismi.
E allora c定 differenza tra un libertarian americano e un radicale
italiano?
Ciao 
Tommaso

italiano?
Nessuna, perché i radicali sono attualmente i più liberisti sulla
scena politica

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scena politica
interessante, pero' siente in crosspost con
it.cultura.linguistica.italiano dove queste cose c'entrano poco.
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e' vero, 
c'e' un po' di casualita' in tutto
ma e' anche vero 
che esiste una tua forma di gusto
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 italiano?
In effetti i radicali mi paiono il partito italiano piu' vicino
ai nostri libertari e se fossi italiano probabilmente li voterei.
Ci saranno delle differenze con riguardo a questioni isolati.
Di solito il libertario americano sostiene la liberta` di armarsi;
i radicali, se ricordo bene, no.  I radicali si oppongono all'elettricita`
nucleare?  Troverai qualche libertarian che la pensa cosi`, ma pochi;
siamo perlopiu' tecnofili.  Ma i principi di base sono molto vicini.
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