Newsgroup: it.politica
Titolo: Large stores vs. small stores and street vendors

I read in my local newspaper that Italy has a problem with large
multi-dept. stores putting smaller markets out of business. It seems
that some people were upset about and wanted something done to stop it.
Join the rest of the modern world Italy! In the U.S.A. the big stores
like Wal-Mart dominate the marketplace it's called progress.

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Bravo!

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Hi,
my name is Fr@nce$co from Rome. I know what you mean when you talk about
the "big-stores"! I know also that the bigger is the store....the cheaper
are the prices! But...the quality is not always the same. Plus, Italy is a
country with so many traditions! One of those is the "family business" and
before those there were the "artisans" (that now because of the competition
with the bigger stores, are getting fewer in number)!
But I want you to remember this: 
When you come in Roma, in Milano, in Bologna, in Venezia, and so on (sorry
everybody if I didn't  mention all the cities) and you walk in those
beautiful narrow and old streets that you like so much, look at those
little stores that you can find once in a while! Not those under the name
of a brand....the artisan one! You'll find something original, very italic,
100% made in Italy!
So don't tell us to "join the rest of the modern world" and how we should
follow the way to "progress"!
I agree with you on one thing. That is that italian business men don't do
anything to incentivate competition! They do as much as possible to
"balance" the prices!
Italians, on their own, don't do anything to change the situation!
Allright....sorry if I was too....instinctive...but I think that each
nation, because of the differences in tradition and history, have its own
good way to grow, that is not necessarily good for another!
I spent one year in St.Louis as an exchange student and a took a course in
American History! I admire you because of what you have done (economically
talking) in less than two hundreds years...even if sometime (especially at
the beginning) you did overcame on some important principles about the
relation b/w worker and the Boss (sorry but I don't remember the word!).
So, thank you for "part" of the critic! 
Fr@nce$co.
For Italians: se qualcuno volesse unirsi o aggiungere commenti sul tema lo
faccia pure!
(Translation: if s/b wants to join the discussion or add comments on the
subject, feel free to do it!) 
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 Bravo!
  La protezione delle varie corporazioni di commercianti e non solo, produce
consenso politico per chi li protegge. Mi pare che si chiami voto di
scambio...
L'effetto secondario della demonizzazione di ipermercati e supermercati e il
prezzo elevato che il consumatore é costretto, ope legis, a pagare nei
piccoli negozi, particolarmente di alimentari. In pratica é una vera e
propria ulteriore forma di tassazione occulta con la quale i sudditi
consumatori vengono obbligati all'ennesima forma di inflazionata solidarietà
per sovvenzionare il piccolo commercio che é corteggiato sia a destra sia a
manca.
Va oltretutto notato che il piccolo commercio contiene cospicue sacche di
evasione e di lavoro nero che sono praticamente impossibili o limitatissime
nelle grandi aziende.
Perché destri e sinistri corteggiano i commercianti ?
Giovanni

 like Wal-Mart dominate the marketplace it's called progress.
If progress means higher jobless rates i'd prefer another kind of
progress, thank you.
 
I mean: a big stores needs less people than a number of shops totalling
the same daily income. A big store is cheaper for the consumer, ( but
only as long as there is true competition) but in Italy a big store pays
the stuff it resells after one year, little shops must pay after a month
or two. People that sells to big stores don't get their money soon and
that doesn't help economy.
Also, earnings from little activities tend to  be spent sooner than
those from big ones: that helps economy.
I think it's right for big stores to exist (not 600 meters from existing
supermarkets, as happened in my city, anyway, right?) it helps keeping
down prices: but they should be true competitors, in your finest
american tradition... that's not the case, here.
I liked a lot more the old italian society, with more shops, different
brands of cars, people that were able to choose with their own heads
instead of going with what's proposed by the media. Even if the current
situation is the natural evolution of that old state, and the impressive
public debt was made in those "happy days".
spam-m...@mailcity.com
 

Marcello ha scritto:
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  BULLSHIT !
Most small stores are clip joints. For the very same bottle of Olio Cuore,
purchased today in the groceries shop down the street were we live, my wife
has paid 52% over the supermarket price!
Average prices in the small shops and open air markets are 30% and more, over
the large supermarket prices. Most of the tax evasion is indeed in the small
retail business.
There are no excuses, other than political reasons, for protecting the small
retail business at the cost of the consumers, i.e. the real tax payers.
Giovanni

 retail business at the cost of the consumers, i.e. the real tax payers.
My "excuses" are in these articles, do they seem political to you?
If i ask for real competition (that big stores pay their suppliers like
small stores, for example) I shouldn't harm the "real tax payers" (real
tax payers? you must have a clear picture of society and economics). If
I ask not to let big stores open near existing ones, i shouldn't harm
working people, quite the opposite.
Also, if big stores start really to rule, can you guarantee they won't
agree on the highest price possible? That should harm the consumer.
I don't want people to be forced to go to little shops, either, it would
be the same situation.

product at the same price as multidept. stores.
In fact, it's not wise for li'l shop owners to fight price wars vs the
big stores. They have to get competitive on quality.
Every businessman has to meet changes in market conditions, but most
of the shop owners don't want to, they expect that the government
defends their priviliege. That means those doing so are bad
businessmen and should be ejected from the market.
Ciao
Marco
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 from the market.
I would say that the market itself will punish bad businessmen, but
reality is more complex than that: maybe those who evade taxes and sell
with high prices have more cash than the honest ones...
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