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Titolo: Pera Casini Comunità ebraiche tappano la bocca ai cittadini

E' vergognoso che si prenda posizione contro un sondaggio scientifico
(condotto da gallup non da datamedia) rappresentativo dell'opinione dei
cittadini europei in questo modo. Non si può tacciare di antisemitismo un
sondaggio, si può tacciare di terrorismo invece la politica di Sharon...

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Concordo pienamente. Se il sondaggio, invece, avesse dato i palestinesi come
la ragione di massima preoccupazione, il sondaggio sarebbe stato marchiato
come razzista. Per cui, bando ai ragionamenti del tipo "ma se la gente la
pensa così, forse bisogna chiedersi il perchè": si fa prima a dare
dell'antisemita o del razzista e seppellire il tutto...
Ciao!
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Hai perfettamente ragione !
A quanto pare a una democrazia (come dicono sia Israele )
TUTTO e' permesso, se si fa qualche critica si e' tacciati di
antisemitismo.
Nonostante la stampa mondiale sia di parte gli europei stanno
incominciando a capire chi e' che non vuole la pace.
Cordiali saluti
       G.

 incominciando a capire chi e' che non vuole la pace.
Ha ragione, gli integralisti islamici sono tutti sante persone.
I veri terroristi sono quegli imbecilli che rimangono coinvolti nelle 
esplosioni.

 esplosioni.
Sarebbe facile rispondere che gli israeliani sono tutti santi, e quei
dannati palestinesi che si mettono sulla strada delle schegge dei missili
lanciati dagli elicotteri, o delle bombe d'aereo, o i bambini che si fanno
proditoriamente sparare durante i rastrellamenti, lo fanno apposta.
Le colpe stanno da entrambe le parti, e un sondaggio che dica che
(finalmente) ci si e' resi conto che ANCHE Israele dovrebbe modificare il
proprio comportamento non mi sembra ne' antisemita ne' particolarmente
fuori dalla realta'
Eugenio
-- 
Jesus died for your sins.  Make it worth his time.

 esplosioni.
Terroristi sono anche coloro usano missili lanciati da elicotteri per
eliminare possibili esponenti terroristi. Oppure distruggono case non in
territorio di propria proprietą.
Anche quello č terrorismo.
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Premesso che le colpe sono da ambedue le parti...
è purtroppo vero che durante gli ultimi tentativi di tregua è sempre stata
Israele che ha posto in essere comportamenti che erano decisamente
destabilizzanti, come assassinii mirati, rastrellamenti e quant'altro.
Sembra quasi (ma probabilmente sono paranoico io) che l'attuale governo
Israeliano faccia di tutto per rendere impossibile una parvenza di pace
nella regione.
Voglio chiarire che le mie critiche non sono rivolte al popolo di Israele, e
la mia non è una posizione dettate da antisemitismo; altrimenti si
arriverebbe al paradosso per cui gli ebrei che criticano allo stesso mio
modo il governo Israeliano sono antisemiti.

 destabilizzanti, come assassinii mirati, rastrellamenti e quant'altro.
Allora, allo scopo di non prenderci per il culo reciprocamente:  te la 
senti di andare a pescare le date delle tregue, le date degli attacchi 
suicidi e le date dei comportamenti destabilizzani di Israele?
Giusto per capire se non di noi non si fosse per caso perso qualche 
pezzo per strada.

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Sinceramente ora non ho tutto sto tempo per fare queste ricerche, sai,
lavoro...
comunque...
Tratto dal sito dell'organizzazione giovanile sionista 
www.betar.co.uk
On June 29, 2003, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah issued statements saying
that they would suspend attacks on Israelis for a period of 90 days if
Israel ceases all counter-terror operations and releases all imprisoned
terrorists.
What They Did During Week #13: During week #13, July 22 - July 28, 2003,
there were at least 23 terrorist attacks, in which one person was murdered
and two wounded.
Tratto da 
www.p-p-o.net
 il sito dell'OLP
The Israeli violation of the declared cease fire on June 29, 2003.
[8] Palestinians were wounded, among them [2] children. [13] Were arrested.
[135] Trees were uprooted & [18] dunams were bulldozed. [14000] Dunams were
confiscated for settlement expansion. [4] Houses, [3] vehicles and [2]
economic establishments were destroyed or damaged. [1] New military post was
erected. Palestinian areas were shelled [2] times & bombarded by machinegun
fire [9] times.
  a.. Jerusalem: The occupation forces confiscated [14000] dunams of
Palestinian land of the village of Bet Ikssa in order to build a new
settlement.
  b.. Nablus: The occupation forces held hundreds of Palestinian citizens in
their vehicles in a sweltering weather and arrested five citizens.
  c.. Jenin: The occupation forces invaded the town of Yaabad, imposed
curfew and bulldozed hundreds of trees in the village of Zaboba for the so -
called Security Fence.
  d.. Tolkarem: The occupation forces invaded the village of Iktaba, stormed
in & ransacked houses and arrested three citizens.
  e.. Hebron: The occupation forces raided & vandalized Palestinian houses
and arrested one citizen, while on their part, Jewish settlers attacked
Palestinians in Al Bouera area and wounded a woman and an elderly citizen.
  f.. Bethlehem: The occupation forces invaded the villages of Taqu'o & Bet
Fajar, stormed houses and detained a number of citizens.
  g.. Gaza: The occupation forces built a military watchtower near Al
Shuhada junction.
      The Israeli violation of cease fire
      From: 19.00hrs Monday, June 30
      To: 19.00hrs Tuesday, July 1
      The Israeli violation of the declared cease fire on June 29, 2003.
      [1] Palestinian was killed, [11] were wounded, among them [3]
children. [16] Were arrested. [500] Trees were uprooted or burned. [300]
Dunams were confiscated for settlement expansion and [1] bypass road was
built. [10] Houses, [6] vehicles and [1] security post were destroyed or
damaged. [1] New military post was erected. Palestinian areas were shelled
[3] times & bombarded by machinegun fire [12] times.
        a.. Ramallah & Al Bireh: Under the protection of the occupation
forces, Jewish settlers took over [100] dunams of Palestinian land of the
village Liban Al Shaqya in order to expand the settlements of Aleh & Maleh
Loubenia and closed all roads leading to the area and chased Palestinian
citizens.
        b.. Nablus: The occupation forces arrested a delegation of
journalists, judges & religious men and raided a house and arrested a
citizen of Der Al Hatab village.
        c.. Jenin: The occupation forces invaded the town of Yaabad & Al
Jabryat areas, searched & vandalized houses and arrested two citizens.
        d.. Tolkarem: The occupation forces shot & killed a 19 - year - old
Palestinian and prevented the ambulance from reaching him. They also
prevented citizens from entering the city and resected several checkpoints.
        e.. Hebron: The occupation forces raided & vandalized Palestinian
houses and arrested a number of citizens in several neighborhoods.
        f.. Gaza: The occupation forces opened fire at a Palestinian
security post in Johor Al Deek area.
        g.. Mid Area: The occupation forces opened fire at Palestinian
houses and a police station causing damage.
        h.. Rafah: The occupation forces started the building of a new
bypass road near the Jewish settlement of Moraj that means the confiscation
of [200] dunams of Palestinian owned land.
The Israeli violations of the cease fire declared on June 29, 2003.
[11] Palestinians were wounded, among them [4] children, [1] critically.
[25] Were arrested. [1570] Trees were uprooted or burned. [30] Dunams were
bulldozed, [220] were confiscated for settlement expansion and [2] bypass
roads were built. [9] Houses, [3] vehicles, [3] economic establishments and
[5] animal farms were destroyed or damaged. [2] New military posts were
erected. Palestinian areas were shelled [3] times & bombarded by machinegun
fire [11] times.
  a.. Jerusalem: The occupation forces demolished a family house, attacked
its owners and wounded and arrested a number of them. The occupation forces
also invaded Palestinian houses in the village of Al Numan and arrested five
Palestinians.
  b.. Nablus: The occupation forces invaded Palestinian houses in the city
and arrested three Palestinians and prevented farmers from reaching their
fields.
  c.. Jenin: The occupation forces invaded and ransacked Palestinian houses
in several villages, and arrested a number of Palestinians.
  d.. Tolkarem: The occupation forces invaded Palestinian areas south of the
city, sealed off entrances. Also several villages were invaded and
Palestinians were chased.
  e.. Salfeet: The occupation forces demolished a chicken farm in the
village of Masha and uprooted more than [200] olive trees.
  f.. Hebron: The occupation forces issued a military order banning any kind
of reconstruction in the old city.
  g.. Bethlehem: Jewish settlers bulldozed [220] dunams of land and
destroyed hundreds of olive trees in Khilat Al Qutun, and the occupation
troops closed off several roads east of the city.
  h.. Jericho: The occupation forces demolished [20] Bedouin tents in AL Oja
village.
  i.. Gaza: The occupation forces opened fire at farmers east of the city
causing damage.
  j.. Khan Younis: The occupation forces opened fire at Palestinians in the
city and the village of Khazzaa wounding two, one child.
The Israeli violations of the cease fire declared on June 29, 2003.
[2] Palestinians were killed, [1] assassinated and [1] boy. [17]
Palestinians were wounded, among them [5] children, [3] critically including
[1] child. [13] Palestinians were arrested. [11] Houses, [3] vehicles
including [1] ambulance, [1] mosque and [1] church were destroyed or
damaged. [4] New military posts were erected. Palestinian areas were shelled
[4] times & bombarded by machinegun fire [11] times.
  a.. Jerusalem: The occupation forces confiscated the key of Al Magharba
Gate from Islamic Wakf to let the Jews to in through.
  b.. Ramallah & Al Bireh: The occupation forces invaded the village of
Mgayer, stormed houses, detained Palestinians in the village school and
arrested a number of them. They also surveyed Palestinian land and continued
to take over Kofor Niama water reservoir for more than 50 days.
  c.. Nablus: A bunch of settlers stoned a Palestinian ambulance while
driving to hospital, wounded a 62-year-old patient woman and damaged the
ambulance. The occupation forces also stormed the Church of Rafidia,
searched and ransacked properties, invaded Balata refugee camp, stormed
houses and arrested one Palestinian, imposed a curfew on the city and
erected a new watch tower on the entrance of Wadi Nar road.
  d.. Jenin: The occupation forces invaded Jabaa, stormed houses, arrested
one Palestinian, completely damaged one vehicle, imposed siege on Jenin and
Tubas and erected two military checkpoints.
  e.. Bethlehem: The occupation forces imposed a total siege on the city and
erected a new military checkpoint.
  f.. Tolkarem: The occupation forces thrust into the city, opened fire,
stun and gas canisters at Palestinians. A number of citizens suffered
suffocation and electricity transformer was damaged. A curfew was
re-imposed. They also opened fire at the Governor's house and positioned
atop of the Old Mosque.
  g.. Qalqilya: The occupation Special Forces assassinated stormed a family
house and assassinated a 30-year-old Palestinian after being arrested,
wounded two among them a child critically. They also opened indiscriminate
fire at houses, surrounded and stormed houses and arrested another
Palestinian. Meanwhile, a 15-year-old boy was killed after being
deliberately struck by a Jewish settler vehicle. His mother and two of his
brothers were wounded.
  h.. Mid Area: The occupation forces opened indiscriminate fire at
residential houses in Deir el Balah and wounded a Palestinian boy.
  i.. Khan Younis: The occupation forces blocked off the arterial road of
Saladin, opened fire at Palestinian vehicles and wounded four Palestinians.
A number of Palestinians were detained at Abu Holy military checkpoint.
E continua, giorno per giorno fino alla fatidica settimana del 22/28 luglio.
Sono 2 siti ovviamente di parte, ma ti faccio notare che nel sito sionista
non vengano rilevate violazioni della tregua dal 29 giugno al 22 luglio da
parte dei palestinesi, mentre da parte palestinese puoi vedere le
contestazioni che vengono fatte agli isrealiani.

 Allora, allo scopo di non prenderci per il culo reciprocamente:
... ti faccio io delle domandine semplici semplici:
1) perchè gli israeliani stanno occupando militarmente
i territori palestinesi da quarant'anni? Tieni conto che
questa occupazione è stata dichiarata abusiva da più
risoluzioni dell'ONU.
2) perchè gli israeliani hanno costituito centinaia di
insediamenti (o colonie) nei territori occupati
espropriando la terra ai palestinesi? Tieni conto che
questi insediamenti sono stati dichiarati abusivi da
più risoluzioni dell'ONU.
3) perchè il governo israeliano continua a spedire coloni
nei territori occupati?
4) quante di queste colonie sono state smantellate?
5) Lo stato di Israele a quante risoluzioni ONU che lo
riguardavano ha obbedito?
[ Come suggerimento posso dirti che la risposta alle
domande 4 e 5 è la stessa ]