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Titolo: Are most Italians racist?

A recent survey in France revealed that some 70% or more French people
consider themselves to be racists.
The situation with Italians is very sad, as well. Let's mention some
anecdotical evidence.
(1) Italy has a pageant of "Miss Italia all'stero" (Miss Italy from
Overseas) where girls who live in Italy, daughters of foreigners, are
the contestants. For starters, a pageant with this restriction will
never happen in the USA. Last time I watched it in the RAI Italian TV,
the winner was from Venezuela (as usual). Several girls from the same
country can participate. I read about the previous year in which the
winner was a dark girl of Dominican heritage. The Italian public was
furious about the selection. This was a matter which dominated the
media for weeks.
(2) In Boston's central west end they have the best restaurants where
the serve pizza, gelatto, capuchino, and other delicacies.  Ever since
I arrived in Boston I was told that in that area they have violently
thrown blacks out of the neighborhood, and even in more PC current
times, blacks are accepted as customers, but there is no way they can
live there.
Let's take a look at two list that I have been compiling. One with well
known, real world folks, and the other with newsgroup participants.
Racist Italians:
Steve Camarota (unFAIR)
Lou Barletta
Steve DeBenedittis (Herndon Mayor)
Michael Miraglia (Pahrump, NV Town Board)
And among Usenet posters:
Joe Guzzardi
Robert not Roberto (under scrutiny)
Frannie Malincanico
stanley rosiello lord of flatbush
Frank Rizzo
-Ramon F Herrera

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http://library.thinkquest.org/20619/Italian.html
-RFH

Absolutelly not !
Italian plurimillenary culture,  being centre of the Mediterranean and
Europe has developped a  rich history of integration which exclude the
possibility of racial problems.
What our days can identfy as racial problems in taly are due to a
'cultural model'  imported with non-Italian Tv films and globalisaton.
This 2 factor have big influence on the very few uneducated people.
Regards
Romolo

 live there.
Nobody wants niggers in their neighborhood, that's why they have their own 
neighborhoods.

 neighborhoods.
Your racism has long been known. Keep on displaying it as Congress
staffers and Congressmen are reading these newsgroups while they
prepare the path to citizenship, your views will be summarily ignored.
-Ramon


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I've also wondered about that too. Many people who are now prominent
in the anti-immigrant movement have Italians names.
Maybe they don't like it that some Hispanics can pass as Italians.
Italian-Americans are contradictory lot these days.
Madonna appears to be very liberal, Stallone said some nice things
about Mexicans recently. Don't forget that Pelosi is of Italian
heritage although I believe it is Argentine-Italian heritage.
Italians don't like it at all when they are beaten by Argentina in
soccer.
If I'm not mistaken about that, Italians are responsible for the U.S
having very restrictionist policies about immigration.
In the 1920s many of them would come here with anarchist views and
start throwing bombs.

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Even in the old country itself, some Italians hate each other. The
north of Italy is highly industrialized (they are something like the
4th. largest economy in the world) while the south is agricultural and
much poorer. The mafia comes from Sicily in the south. Like I said,
some of them (north v. south) despise each other and have hate names
(terrudo? "full of ground dirt").
Italy provides a really good argument against genetic predisposition as
northern and southerners have the same genes.
-Ramon

 prepare the path to citizenship, your views will be summarily ignored.
Do you mean the dirt trail to non-citizenship that we'll land mine and be 
observed by sniper scope AFTER President Bush VETOS any version of 
amnesty???
That one?
You fucking wannabe-white people are at least occasionally funny.
Now get your ass back out there and finish mowing my yard!

 northern and southerners have the same genes.
Is that why a lot of northern Italians are blonde?
Hahahahhaha!!!
You just don't know shit!
When you finish mowing my yard I want you to weed-wack around all the trees 
and do a good job too!

> neighborhoods.
in Italy, Andrea Vanacore left wing and The Punisher right wing, are more
interested in cock than colour - they are froci as François, ricchioni as
FinallyDocSerg1 - to make you understand, translated in English, all of them
are " gay " and for them all the man from abroad are welcome
--
la cultura è mera sfortuna per gli ignoranti
http://snipurl.com/16c18
comprende

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Why are you always the first to answer your own posts? 

 So do the Japanese.
True, but the French are worse.
Japs have cosmetic surgery to get that round-eye look which kinda betrays 
their alleged superiority....  Hahahha!

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Even if it were true,  and our congressmen know what the majority
opinion is,  our opinions have nothing to do with racism.   I'd provide
the list of why we oppose illegal aliens and oppose amnesty/citizenship
but all of the valid reasons have already been posted in here many
times but your kind don't care about because of the "agenda" so the
race card is all you have.

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Gee and just this week you pro-illegals were bragging up the "Italian
Stallion"  Stalone. LOL

 bigoted ass. LOLOLOLOL It is funny though isn't it? LOLOLOLOL

 Stallion"  Stalone. LOL
  Stallone is a multimilionaire who, like Nancy Pelosi (net worth $50+
million), is well-insulated from the consequences of their stupidity.
Most Italo-Americans are not similarly insulated from those
consequences. In the case of Stallone, and has been suggested
elsewhere, it's very possible, if not likely, that he's a bit "punch
drunk" from years of getting slugged in the head. Just look at what
happened to Muhammed Ali after his retirement from fighting. And,
though the blows he took were notmeant to be "real," in his 20-year
movie boxing "career" Stallone put in porbably 50X more rounds than Ali
did; large numbers of fairly hard blows hit his head, re-take after
re-take.
  The best thing to do in regard to this piece of sh*t is to ignore him
as ought to be done in the case of all such trolls.
  The South American putz is clearly desperately trying to "stir it up"
and create ethnic antagonisms among Americans with his laughably
cliche'd and clueless statements about Northern and Southern Italians
"hating" each other. LOL
  What a shallow "knowledge," and overt need to try to engender
intra-group disunity among others, this disgrace for a human being
Herrera pssesses!: what else would prompt one to utterly cluelessly
frame typical regional rivalries as examples of deep "hatreds"? One
would no more do so in respect to how, for example, U.S. Southerners
are so often put down (which, as a NYC born and raised Yankee, disgusts
me) by Americans from other regions than one would seriously posit that
Northern and Southern Italians "hate" each other. Cheesh, Herrera's
utter shallowness and, indeed, stupidity are really quite remarkable.
  It'd of course be better if he focused instead on the realities of
deep, deep racism among Hispanics (where it's all he more virulent in
his native Latin [sic] America than here in the USA] but the troll
obviously feels a great need to, as psychologists would note, "project"
his own/his own people's shortcomings on others, in this case Italians.
  Notice I did not address the ass himself but, rather, directed my
above comments to the other, more serious participants in the ng. I
again suggest that we do as our American ancestors did and essentially
"shun" him and others of his and "Alistair" Crowley's pathetic ilk.

  There are a couple of wonderful American sayings:
       "Clean up your own backyard"
and,
       "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
which it behooves those who would yap about others' purported failings
to observe ...
LATINO GANGS TARGET BLACKS IN HATE CRIMES
Organized Crime Digest,  Aug 31, 2004

 and do a good job too!
  LOL
  I suspect he'd even be unable to THAT satisfactorily!

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Because sometimes I ask rhetorical questions. Those are supposed to be
answered by the questioner.
Actually, that was a follow up (very interesting, wouldn't you say?)
about Italians in America that I discovered after the original post.
-Ramon


No, I am rather talking about the White House initiative to provide
legalization and a path to citizenship:
 
http://www.gop.com/Issues/ImmigrationReform/
(take a good look a the guy in the picture)
-Ramon


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I just read that Mel Martinez made history in the Senate, when he
addressed the legislative body in Spanish.
-Ramon

 (take a good look a the guy in the picture)
Listen, your relatives aren't going to get a free ride in America...  Don't 
you have a Ricky Martin concert to go to or a yard to mow?

 country.
Probably not most.  And since I saw that on TV it was probably exaggerated.

 
It is "terrone". Not "terrudo".
PaoloB

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Ciao, Paolo:
Some Italians call others "terrudo" in Spanish. That was  my confusion.
Grazie tanti!
-Ramon


And the Republicans proceeded to loose both houses of Congress. 

 Japanese woman and she is a real bitch about race and such.
You better hope that she doesn't follow alt.politics.immigration then. 

 now he is sorry.
You sound like the mother-in-law from hell. 

 And the Republicans proceeded to lose both houses of Congress.
Nope, Mel Martinez was appointer right AFTER the election.
And both houses of congress were given by the US voter to the
democratic party, the party of the minorities, the ethnic folks, the
party of most hispanics.
-Ramon
"Si se puede! Hasta la Victoria!"
   - Senator Edward Kennedy addressing one
     of the largest crowds (hispanics, BTW) in
     the history of Washington, DC.

 never happen in the USA.
That is true. I have lived in the USA many times and have never seen a
pageant of "Miss Italia all'estero" organized there. I wonder why.

 consider themselves to be racists.
Ma chi cazzo è sto stronzo???  Italiani razzisti? Beh, se sono gente
che come te porta ancora il cappuccetto bianco con le crocette rosse
dipinte sui petti e che inneggiano alla civiltà bianca come quella di
gesù...allora sì siamo razzisti e bruciamo la genia che ti ha
prodotto. Mona!
pin

 be a racist?" and some unbelievably high percentage said "Oui".
The fact that the question was asked in English and answered in French,
means it was probably not understood correctly. If you go to Madrid and
ask a passer-by "Entschuldigen Sie, glauben Sie, dass Sie ein Hund
sind?" and the guy says "Si'", do you believe he thinks he's a
dog?

 party of most hispanics.
Have you finished mowing my lawn yet?
I've observed that you can't seem to get anything right, are having to be 
corrected several times every day and yet those facts don't register in your 
minor mind.
Last Election:  21% Dems, 19% Reps, 60% DIDN'T VOTE.
The VAST majority of US registered voters didn't give away anything because 
they didn't even bother to vote.

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Bruno:
The question and the answer were asked and answered in French. This was
on the Internet. By a wide margin, most French people consider
themselves to be racist.
It's sad but true.
-Ramon

some little precisation:
as you can see, I am italian, and I really believe that my compatriotes
are quite racist, but for different reasons from the ones you have
exposed.
- First of all you have to consider that Italy, like most european
countries, it is not multicultural, and there is not immigration
(except in the last decades); this means that they (we) have no real
contacts with other people, except tourists and illegal immigrants...
as you can immage those are not the better conditions to appreciate and
to respect different coultures.
This is very different from countries like usa or canada that are
inhabitated only by immigrants (ok, there is still some indian... but
few)
- Second, being italian is a question not only of culture, but also of
"blood", if you are born  in america, africa or australia but you have
an italian grandmather and you speak italian, you are italian (maybe
not legally), if you speak italian only a little bit you are
potentially integrable. Elsewere even if you marry an italian and you
live there for 50 years, you will be never considered italian.
- Third, I consider the italian attitude toward strangers really
similar to the french one... except that usually italians tend to
"sympatize" with others...
something like "oh he is black how can I help him to became whiter?" :)
or "I have to made him to eat something better than his
sandwich/porrige/kuskus...!" :)
Anywhere even if there isn't usually a displayed arrogance, there is
everiday a sentiment of superiority
- Finally a little precisation:
"Miss Italy from Overseas" it is not for girls who live in Italy,
daughters of foreigners, but for italian girls living abroad (double
nationality, italy-argentina, italy-france, italy-usa,
italy-venezuela...).
The case of the dominican girl (
http://www.dennymendez.it/
) was quite
different: her mother married an italian who is not his father, so she
was italian only "legally" and since few years... and the italian
public was not furious, she was her "darling".The debate was about the
question "if she was not so "exotic", would has she taken so many votes
(35%)?". (see the first point about "blood")
Regards,
Andrea

Dear Andrea Italian in the last centurys is not a multicultural society
anymore, as well as it is not a racist society. In the other hand I see
other Countries ourdays 'multiracial' where racism is and has been
allways a problem USA as example.
Further I think is Italian who lives up the italian way and not
question of blood etc, as taly is always been a mixture of ethnical
groups during the century.
To end this tedious discussion your idea that darker skin people are
allways in a need situation shows the tipical actitute of other culture
but not the italian where dark skin is sinonomus of beauty e
sensuality.
Hoping that you will have a more pleasent life ....take care
Romolo

 PaoloB