Newsgroup: it.politica
Titolo: SHADOW BUGIARDO ED IGNORANTE

Millanta che in USA ci sarebbe una patrimoniale.
Quando gli chiedo il nome di questa tassa e di mostrarmi un sito
dell'Internal Revenue Service americano (IRS, agenzia delle entrate
americana), fa confusione e mi manda un link al sito del fondo
monetario internazionale (che non c'entra, ovviamente, un cazzo) in
cui non c'e' NESSUn accenno ad alcuna patrimoniale americana.
IL TIPICO COMUNISTA: BUGIARDO, CREDULONE, ED IGNORANTE

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http://www.iga.ucdavis.edu/Research/CSLT/Publications/PropTaxUS.pdf
Qui viene spiegato in dettaglio come si tassano le proprieta'
negli USA.

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Uno SDENG grosso come una casa.

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Ma questa non e' una tassa FEDERALE, e' una tassa LOCALE che varia da
stato a stato e poi e' solo sugli IMMONBILI, piu' o meno come l'ICI.
Quindi se questa e' una patrimoniale, allora devi dire che c''e gia'
anche in ITALIA.
Ritenta, sarai piu' fortunato.

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Ma sti cazzi. Queste sono tasse LOCALI e non FEDERALI E solo sugli
IMMOBILI, come l'ICI.
Allora dovete anche dire che la patrimoniale c'e' gia' anche in ITALIA.

Ritenta, sarai piu' fortunato.
Non serve ritentare.

 ha scritto nel messaggio
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a ma allora tu non sei ignorante, nel senso che ignori le cose,
sei proprio scemo, ti ho dato il link dove potevi trovare i dati sulle 
entrate
derivanti da imposte patrimoniali negli USA, a cui faceva riferimento il 
precedente sito,
e dove, se tu non fossi scemo, potresti trovare tutti i dati che cerchi
e le relative spiegazioni, oltre ai nomi delle tasse, che sembrano essere
l'unica cosa che ti interessa.
Daltronde uno scemo acquista un prodotto leggendone il nome e non il 
contenuto. 

 Allora dovete anche dire che la patrimoniale c'e' gia' anche in ITALIA.
ma non l'aveva abolita berlusconi? 

 tenute di caccia accatastate come terreni agricoli.
MA SI PAGA SULLA CASA, QUINDI SECONDO TE UNA PATRIMONIALE C'E' ANCHE
IN ITALIA, ALLORA.
RISPONDI A QUESTO, NON FUGGIRE...

RISPONDI A QUESTO, NON FUGGIRE...
Fuggire? Sei divertente. :-)

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Ma essendo questa in America una tassa LOCALE, non FEDERALE, tipo ICI,
allora la patrimoniale c'e' gia' anche in Italia.
Se ammetti questo siamo d'accordo, ma non puoi usare due pesi e due
misure diverse, troppo comodo!
O c'e' sia in USA che in Italia o non c'e' in nessuno dei due paesi,
e' questo il punto.
SEMPRE DISONESTI VOI COMUNISTI, EH?

 essere l'abitazione principale.
 
ASCOLTA, NON FUGGIRE E RISPONDI A QUESTO:
L'ICI IN ITALIA E' UN' IMPOSTA PATRIMONIALE?
 
[Si']
 
[No]

[No]
 
Mi pareva abbastanza evidente che l'ici non puo' essere
configurata come "imposta patrimoniale", visto che
colpisce solo alcuni immobili, indipendentemente dal
loro valore reale, che colpisce solo alcuni terreni,
indipendentemente dal loro valore reale.
 
Pertanto l'ici non e' nata per tassare i patrimoni,
ma e' solo un balzello che in base a certi criteri
consente ai comuni di raggranellare un po' di moneta.
 

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Confermo.
 

Guido Rapisarda ha detto questo mercoledì :
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Ovviamente il TIPICO CREDULONE BUGUARDO WE IGNORANTE SEI TU.
SUL SITO
 
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2010-03-29-property-tax-assesments-protest_N.htm
 
 
le lagne dei cittadini USA contro la PATRIMONIALE sugli immobili, che 
varia da Stato a Stato.
 
Homeowners balk as property tax bills stay high
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Javier Hyland was furious when he got his latest property tax bill from 
Miami-Dade County.
 
First, the county put the value of his ocean-view apartment at 
$417,000. He can't see any way the place is worth more than $400,000 
after a meltdown in the South Florida real estate market. Worse, the 
county assessed his neighbor's bigger, nicer, newer flat at only 
$407,000: "Is that fair?" asks Hyland, a pricing manager for a shipping 
company.
 
The property taxes in dispute amount to just $360. But Hyland, 37, is 
appealing his assessment anyway, even though it will mean trudging into 
city offices to make his case.
 
He'll probably have to stand in line: 143,000 Miami-Dade property 
owners appealed their property tax bills last year. And Harvey Ruvin, 
the county's clerk of courts, expects a similar deluge in 2010. 
Property tax appeals in the county hit 104,000 in 2008 compared with an 
average 40,000 in normal years.
 
From Florida beachfronts to Nevada deserts, fed-up homeowners are 
challenging property tax bills that have stayed high despite the 
housing crisis. Retiree Carol Schneider, 63, of Ferguson, Mo., never 
saw herself as a tax rebel: "In the past, I just paid my taxes whether 
I agreed with them or not," she says. "But the last tax bill increased 
so much ... I decided to fight it." She prevailed, persuading St. Louis 
County to cut her tax bill in half.
 
Angry homeowners like Schneider and Hyland say their tax assessments 
and tax bills haven't come down as fast as real estate prices in the 
worst housing collapse since the 1930s.
 
They're right: Despite a real estate implosion, property tax revenue 
collected by states and localities actually rose 2.7% last year to 
$421.8 billion, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.
 
Property taxes have been a lifeline for flailing local governments, 
which collect more than 96%of property taxes. Toss them out, and the 
remaining sources of state and local tax revenue — including sales and 
income tax receipts — sank more than 9% last year from 2008.
 
"If you lose your job, (income tax) withholding stops. You stop buying 
cars and going out to restaurants," which erodes sales tax receipts, 
says Donald Boyd, senior fellow at the Rockefeller Institute of 
Government in Albany, N.Y. "It doesn't work that way with property 
taxes."
 
What makes property taxes so different?
 
•Property taxes are often based on outdated market prices.
 
A lot can happen to housing prices between the time properties are 
assessed and the time the homeowners get their property tax bills. Some 
governments reassess property only every three or four years. Others 
wait even longer: "Utah once went 20 years without conducting 
meaningful reappraisals," Federal Reserve economist Byron Lutz noted in 
a 2008 paper.
 
Overall, Lutz found that it takes three years for changes in housing 
prices to have an impact on property tax revenue. "The 2009 numbers 
reflect what was happening in city housing markets in 2007, maybe even 
2006," says Christopher Hoene, director of the National League of 
Cities' Center for Research & Innovation. "They were still picking up 
some of the growth at the end of the boom."
 
•Some local governments have raised property tax rates, offsetting 
falling home prices.
 
Some places automatically adjust tax rates to keep property tax revenue 
stable no matter what happens to real estate prices. Others have 
imposed tax increases to deal with budget shortfalls.
 
After years of rapid population growth, for instance, suburban Gwinnett 
County, Ga., raised its 2009 property tax rate by 21%. So, many 
Gwinnett County homeowners are seeing bigger tax bills, even though 
their home values have fallen.
 
Gwinnett County homeowner Scott Johnson, an executive at an Atlanta 
technology firm, says his home's tax bill went up 15% last year, and 
its market value fell. "Is it any wonder that people are getting mad?" 
he asks. "I am going to try to appeal but don't expect much luck."
 
Gwinnett County is expecting 10,000 appeals this year, vs. 7,500 in 
2009 and 5,000 in ordinary times, says county assessor Steve Pruitt.
 
•Most states limit how much property taxes can rise in a booming 
market. That keeps a house's taxable value below its market value. In 
some cases, the gap remains even after housing prices have fallen. 
Which means some homeowners are seeing bigger tax bills for homes that 
are worth less than they were the last time their property taxes came 
due.
 
In 1995, for instance, Florida instituted a constitutional amendment 
limiting increases in the tax assessments on owner-occupied homes to no 
more than the consumer price inflation rate or 3% (whichever was 
lower).
 
After an exhilarating run-up and a gut-wrenching decline in housing 
prices, some homes' taxable values are still below their market values, 
leaving room for higher tax bills. In Palm Beach County, for instance, 
25% of properties will see an increase this year in their assessed 
values.
 
This at a time when existing homes in the county's West Palm Beachand 
Boca Ratonwere selling for 4%less in February than they were a year 
earlier and 44%less than they were in February 2006, according to the 
Florida Realtorstrade group.
 
Unsurprisingly, Palm Beach County government has been hit with a surge 
in property tax appeals — from 5,477 in 2006 to 14,578 last year.
 
"It's very hard to explain to the average Joe," says Tom Barnhart, Palm 
Beach County's director of appraisal services.
 
Confusing taxes
 
True, property taxes are bewildering to many homeowners. There's 
confusion about where the taxes are coming from: Some areas pay special 
property taxes for schools or other government services. There's 
confusion about the dates of the assessments and the way taxes are 
calculated through a maze of exemptions.
 
"We're still in the dark about much of this," says Kelly Alexander, a 
Princeton, N.J., homeowner who is contesting her tax bill after seeing 
her home assessed at $1.48 million, up from $1.1 million in 2001.
 
There's also confusion — and anger — over what's needed to contest a 
property tax bill. In determining a home's value, local governments 
often want to see what comparable homes sold for — but only from the 
same time period when the tax assessments were calculated. If your home 
was assessed in January 2009, for instance, the local tax authorities 
don't care that your neighbor's home sold for a huge discount last 
week. And many local governments throw out distressed sales such as 
foreclosure auctions.
 
Pete Giancola, who owns an insurance agency in Deephaven, Minn., is 
poised to challenge his tax assessment this year. Scott County, where 
he lives, has warned that property assessments and taxes are headed up. 
"They're saying my property went up 6%."
 
So Giancola has been collecting sale prices for homes near his. 
Unfortunately, "50% of the data I'm gathering is for foreclosures or 
short sales" — in which the proceeds fall short of what the home seller 
owes the bank, he says. The county won't consider distressed sales when 
it weighs the appeal, he says, exasperated: "We're in a full-blown 
recession, for God's sake."
 
Pete Sepp, vice president for policy and communications at the National 
Taxpayers Union, estimates that 2% to 3% of homeowners appeal their 
property taxes and that 20% to 40% of them win. "The odds of winning 
some kind of reduction are better than most people perceive," Sepp 
says. "If they knew that the appeal process was reasonably 
straightforward and that they had a fighting chance of obtaining a 
reduction, I imagine that many more folks would investigate further."
 
Lawyers benefit
 
Specialty firms and law offices are lining up to help them.
 
Madison, Wis., tax attorney Don Millis says property taxes now account 
for "70% of what I do," up from less than half three years ago. His 
clients are mostly businesses fighting taxes on commercial properties, 
but increasingly he represents upscale homeowners, too. He sometimes 
finds ways to persuade tax authorities to be more flexible in accepting 
sales in weak real estate markets. "Like beauty," he says, "distressed 
sales are in the eye of the beholder."
 
Seattle entrepreneur Charlie Walsh last year started ValueAppeal, a 
service that lets you go online for free to see whether your local 
government is overtaxing your home, based on whatever criteria are used 
in local property tax appeals. "The rules do vary from county to 
county," Walsh says. "We spend a lot of time doing the research so the 
customer doesn't have to."
 
The firm has so far rolled out its services in nine counties in six 
states, looking for those that are overtaxing their residents. It plans 
to cover 50 more counties by the end of the year. If you have a case, 
ValueAppeal charges $99 for a report you can use to contest the tax 
bill. You get your money back if the appeal fails.
 
The tax appeals are putting strains on local governments already coping 
with a weak economy, dwindling overall tax revenue and budget cuts. 
Clark County, Nev., which includes Las Vegas, expects property tax 
appeals to reduce revenue by about $150 million in the next fiscal 
year, which starts July 1.
 
"There's a disconnect between values and taxes at this point," says 
Rocky Steele, assistant director of assessment services in Clark 
County. "Values went off the planet" a few years ago. "You'd see signs 
advertising houses 'from the $150s,' and they'd paint that out and say, 
'the $250s,' and then paint that out and say, 'from the $350s.' "
 
In 2005, the Nevada Legislature imposed limits protecting property 
owners from big tax increases, creating a gap between taxable and 
market values. Then Las Vegas housing prices went into a free fall — 
but some still haven't fallen enough to close the gap and cut 
homeowners' tax bills.
 
Overall, the gap between assessed and real values is now closing. And 
soon state governments will likely see property tax revenue begin to 
shrink. Fitch Ratings, which analyzes government debt, predicts 
"weakness in property tax revenues for at least the next two years."
 
But for now, property taxes seem to defy gravity. And taxpayers across 
the country are hopping mad about it.
 
Minneapolis last year received an especially unusual appeal: one filed 
by the city assessor himself, Patrick Todd.
 
Todd decided to challenge his own office after it assessed an 
investment property he owned at $166,500. He'd bought it in 2008 for 
only $90,000. The assessors, he said, hadn't realized it was a 
fixer-upper, not comparable to nearby homes in better condition.
 
Todd decided to drop the case when the publicity got too embarrassing. 
After all, only a few hundred dollars were at stake. "It was getting so 
much notoriety," he says. "It was such a silly thing."
 
He says the experience was educational. "I had never appealed. I 
actually learned how to do it. I went down. I filed my fee. I got the 
paperwork. It was relatively painless."
 
 

Nel suo scritto precedente, Guido Rapisarda ha sostenuto :
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Povero Rapisarda! Certo che l'ICI e' una imposta PATRIMONIALE!!!! 
ahahaha! E che cosa sarebb4e senno'?
 
Ammappela come sei ignorante! Se non tassi un reddito, tassi una merce 
o un patrimonio, che cazzo vuoi tassare?
 
Da noi la PATRIMONIALE avrebbe altrro sapore: si tratta di far pagare 
un 4/5% sui grossi patrimoni accumulati da gente che NON HA MAI 
ENUNCIATO REDDITI CONTGRUI!
 
Capito? E' un modo secco e rapidissimo di colpire gli evasori: 
renderebbe IMMEDIATAMENTE 200/300 miliardi di euro che getta sil 
debitone di 1900 milaidri di euro lo ababterrebbe protandolo sotto il 
rapporto 100% coll PIL!
 
La salvezza assoluta e la ripartenza veloce delll'economia!  Solo che 
Berluskazzone dovrebbe pagare un paio di miliardi solo lui capisci? E 
mai visto tacchini organizzare il pranzo di natrale...
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King Guido Rapisarda I ha pensato forte :
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NO SEMPRE IGNOTRAE TU RAPISARDA, EH?
 
UNA BELLA PATRIMONIALE in USA non puo' che variare di STATO in STATO! 
Non puo' esserci una patrimoniale federale.
Reagan si battè contro la patrimoniale californiana particolarmente 
pesante e calcolata sul valore delle case ANNO ER ANNO, valore che 
allroa saliva sempre! reagan riusci' ad abolirla ma cominciò il buco di 
bilancio che opra travolge la California!
 
PIRLOTTO! Essendo ignorante quasi su tutto, ma perchè non controlli 
prima di insultare la gente? E' facile..-..
 
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