Newsgroup: it.politica
Titolo: Le Americane anti'americane

Su questo NG e altrove in Italia, semberrebe che qualsiasi persone che 
si espreme contro la guerra in Iraq (independentamente delle loro 
opinione su Afghanistan, terrorismo etc) viene considerato un estrimisto 
anti-americano.
Anché nella USA cé stato molto opposizione allo invasione di Iraq, 
saranno estremisti anché loro?
Recentamente é stato lanciato un film, Uncovered, che fa indagine su 
tutti i fatti mis appropriato, bugie e mezogne che accopagna 
l'intervento. Il film é bassato non su voce ma su testiomone da persone 
di altissimi livelli, della CIA, dello ministro della difesa USA, 
Ufficiale militare nonché membri della amministrazione di Bush (ed anché 
Blair).
Chiedo se é possibile che tutti questi persone sono Anti-Americane? Sono 
tutti estremisti?
Mentri qui in Italia non facciamo altro che cercare radicali e il pazzo 
di quartiere per "giustificare" un totale assenso di dibattimento serio 
sulla questione.
Per la cronaca, ecco le biografie dei contributore allo film "Uncovered":
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THE EXPERTS
David Albright
David Albright is a physicist, nuclear weapons expert, and former 
weapons inspector with the IAEA Action team.  Albright served on the 
Department of Energy Openess Advisory Panel.  Currently Albright is the 
President of the Institute for Science and International Security.  He 
holds a Masters of Science in physics from Indiana University and a 
Masters of Science in Mathematics from Wright State University. top
Robert Baer
Robert Baer is a former CIA operative who served for twenty-five years 
in Iraq and Lebanon.  In 1998 the CIA awarded him the Career 
Intelligence Medal. Baer recently wrote and published, “Sleeping with 
the Devil: How Washington Sold It’s Soul for Saudi Crude”.  Baer’s 
earlier memoir, "See No Evil: The True Story of a Foot Soldier in the 
CIA's War on Terrorism," is currently being developed as a motion 
picture by Oscar-winning filmmaker Steven Soderbergh and actor/producer 
George Clooney. top
Milt Bearden
Milt Bearden rose through the ranks of the CIA to become on of the 
agency’s most highly decorated operations officers in its Senior 
Service.  He retired from the CIA after a thirty-year career.  Bearden 
headed up the CIA’s Soviet/Eastern European division as the Soviet Union 
was coming undone.  He was the CIA station chief in Pakistan and was 
responsible for that agency’s covert action program in support of the 
Afghan resistance to the Soviet-supported government. Bearden served in 
the Air Force before joining the CIA.  Bearden recently co-authored the 
book, “Main Enemy: The Inside Story of the CIA’s Final Showdown with the 
KGB.” top
Rand Beers
Rand Beers is a former Special Assistant to President Bush and Senior 
Director for combating terrorism.  Beers is a 30 year-plus intelligence 
veteran who has held various positions in the State Department’s Bureau 
of Political Military Affairs.  Additionally, he has served three times 
on the National Security Council staff and was Deputy Political Advisor 
to the Supreme Allied Commander, Europe.  Beers resigned in March of 
2003, five days before the start of the Iraq War, and is currently the 
National Security Advisor for John Kerry’s campaign. Beers received a BA 
from Dartmouth and an MA from the University of Michigan. top
Bill Christison
Bill Christison worked for the Central Intelligence Agency for over 28 
years. He ended his CIA career as the Director of the Office of Regional 
and Political Analysis, an office of over 200 experts on all nations and 
global problems of the world. top
David Corn
Washington editor of the Nation magazine and a Fox News Channel 
contributor. He has written for the Washington Post, the New York Times, 
Harper’s, The New Republic, Mother Jones, Washington Monthly, Slate, 
Salon and many other publications. He has long been a political 
commentator on television and radio.  He is the author of the novel 
“Deep Background,” and the biography “Blond Ghost: Ted Shackley and the 
CIA’s Crusade.” top
Philip Coyle
Philip Coyle, assistant secretary of defense and director of operational 
test and evaluation at the Pentagon from 1994 to 2001. He is currently a 
senior adviser to the Center for Defense Information in Washington, D.C. top
John Dean
John Dean is most famously known as Richard Nixon’s White House lawyer 
for the thousand days during the Watergate scandal. He is currently a 
respected legal and political analyst. His analysis is from the point of 
view of someone who has been inside. John Dean currently works as a 
writer, lecturer and private investment banker.  He recounted his days 
in the Nixon White House in two books, “Blind Ambition” (1976) and “Lost 
Honor” (1982).  He recently published “Worse Than Watergate: The Secret 
Presidency of George W. Bush”. top
Patrick Eddington
Patrick Eddington is a former CIA imagery analyst, and is currently a 
private researcher, author, and international security consultant. 
Eddington resigned in 1996 after working on a book (“Gassed in the 
Gulf”) that exposed the gulf war syndrome.  During his tenure at the 
CIA, his analytical assignments included monitoring the break up of the 
former Soviet Union; providing military assessments to policy makers on 
Iraqi and Iranian conventional forces and coordinating the CIA’s 
military targeting support to NATO during Operation Deliberate Force in 
Bosnia in ’95.
Currently, Eddington serves as a lobbyist for the HYPERLINK 
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opinion pieces have appeared in a number of publications, including the 
Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Washington Times, Fort Worth 
Star-Telegram, and the Army Times, among others. Eddington is a frequent 
commentator on national security issues for the Fox News Channel, MSNBC, 
SKYNews, CNN, and other domestic and international television networks. top
Chas Freeman
Former Ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Chas Freeman is currently the 
President of the Middle East Policy Council and Chairman of Projects 
International, Inc., a Washington D. C. - based business development 
firm. He previously served as Assistant Secretary of Defense and earned 
the highest DOD public service awards for his role in designing a 
NATO-centered post Cold War European security system and in 
re-establishing defense and military relations with China. Freeman 
earned a BA from Yale University and a JD from Harvard Law School. top
Graham Fuller
As the former Vice Chairman of the National Intelligence Council at the 
CIA, he served 20 years in the Foreign Service mostly in the Muslim 
world. After leaving government he served as Senior Political Scientist 
at RAND for twelve years where his work focused on the Middle East, 
Central Asia, South and Southeast Asia. He is currently an independent 
writer, analyst and consultant. He received his BA and MA at Harvard 
University in Russian and Middle Eastern Studies. top
Mel Goodman
Mel Goodman is a professor of International Security at the National War 
College and a Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy. 
 From 1966-1986 he was a senior CIA soviet analyst.  In 1991 he was one 
of three former CIA officials to testify before the Senate against the 
nomination of Robert Gates as director of central intelligence on 
grounds that he had slanted intelligence to suit policy.
Currently, Goodman is co-author of the recently-published “Bush League 
Diplomacy: How the Neoconservatives are Putting the World at Risk.”  He 
will be joining the Center for International Policy in the summer to 
lead their Intelligence Reform Project. top
Larry C. Johnson
Larry C. Johnson worked with the U.S. State Department’s Office of 
Counter Terrorism from 1989-1993, and prior to that with the Central 
Intelligence Agency. Mr. Johnson has analyzed terrorist incidents for a 
variety of media including the Jim Lehrer News Hour, CNN and the BBC, 
and has authored several articles for publications. He has lectured on 
terrorism and aviation security around the world, and represented the 
U.S. Government at the July 1996 OSCE Terrorism Conference in Vienna, 
Austria. Mr. Johnson is a member of the American Society for Industrial 
Security. top
Dr. David Kay
In June 2003, President Bush directed that the hunt for Iraqi weapons of 
mass destruction be transferred to the Central Intelligence Agency who 
appointed Dr. David Kay to lead that search and direct the activities of 
the 1,400 members Iraq Survey Group. In January 2004 having concluded 
that there had been no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq 
at the time of the war, Dr. Kay reported that conclusion and resigned 
his position.
Currently, he is a Senior Fellow at the Potomac Institute for Policy 
Studies with a concentration on counter-terrorism and weapons 
proliferation. He also serves as an analyst for NBC and MSNBC and 
appears frequently as a commentator on proliferation and terrorism 
issues. top
John Brady Kiesling
Brady Kiesling was a member of Bush’s Foreign Service Corps and 
Political Counselor to the American Embassy in Greece.  Kiesling has 
been a diplomat for 20 years, a civil servant to four Presidents. He was 
the first diplomat to resign in a symbolic move to protest the 
administration’s contempt for diplomacy. Kiesling spent last fall as a 
visiting fellow in the Hellenic Studies Program at Princeton University 
and speaking at various universities and conferences. top
Karen Kwiatkowski
Karen Kwiatkowski, a specialist on the Middle East and a recently 
retired USAF lieutenant colonel, who spent her final four and a half 
years in uniform working at the Pentagon, worked from May 2002 through 
February 2003 in the office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, 
Near East/South Asia and Special Plans at the Department of Defense. In 
the March 10, 2004, online edition of Salon, Karen Kwiatkowski’s 4-page 
article, “The New Pentagon Papers” revealed how Defense Department 
extremists suppressed information and twisted the truth to drive the 
country to war. to
Patrick Lang
Patrick Lang is a strategic military and political intelligence analyst. 
  As an independent consultant he is an expert trainer of U.S. and other 
personnel in requirements of operations in Muslim countries.  From 1979 
to 1985 he served as the senior U.S. military officer in the embassy in 
Saudi Arabia and Yemen.  From 1985 to 1992 Lang was the Defense 
Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism. Lang 
served as a Commissioned Officer in the U.S. Army and earned a BA in 
English at Virginia Military Institute. top
Dr. David C. MacMichael
David MacMichael is a former CIA Analyst who started The Association of 
National Security Alumni.  ANSA is an organization that seeks to expose 
and curtail covert actions because they “are counterproductive and 
damaging to the national interest of the United States, inimical to the 
operation of an effective national intelligence system, corruptive of 
civil liberties... and they contradict the principles of democracy, 
national self-determination and international law to which the United 
States is publicly committed.” David MacMichael resigned from the CIA 
rather than falsify his reports for political reasons.  MacMichael 
graduated with an MA and Ph.D. in History from the University of Oregon. top
Ray McGovern
Ray McGovern was a CIA analyst from 1964 to 1990, and regularly reported 
to the vice president and senior policy-makers on the President’s Daily 
Brief from 1981 to 1985. McGovern is a member of the steering group of 
Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) which is a 
non-partisan group of retired intelligence professionals who believe 
that the Bush Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction in 
Iraq, and inappropriately pressured the CIA to “cook the books” on the 
matter. McGovern is now co-director of the Servant Leadership School, an 
inner-city outreach ministry in Washington. top
Scott Ritter
Scott Ritter, a former marine captain from a military family, was the 
UN’s top weapons inspector in Iraq until 1998. During the first Gulf War 
Ritter served as a ballistic missile expert under General Schwarzkopf 
and joined UNSCOM in 1991.  Ritter later resigned claiming President 
Clinton was too easy on Sadaam.  Before the recent Iraq invasion 
however, Ritter said the dictator didn’t seem to have weapons of mass 
destruction and that trying to oust Hussein would be “very dangerous.” top
The Rt Honorable Clare Short
Clare Short recently resigned her position as Tony Blair’s secretary for 
international development because Blair did not support a UN coalition 
to rebuild Iraq.   She entered the House of Commons in 1983 as the 
Member of Parliament (MP) for the Midlands constituency of Birmingham 
Ladywood, which she has held since then. From 1996 until the 1997 
General Election she was Opposition spokesperson on overseas 
development. She was Shadow Minister for women from 1993 to 1995 and 
Shadow Secretary of State for Transport from 1995 to 1996. She has been 
Opposition spokesperson on environment protection, social security and 
employment. A member of the Home Affairs Select Committee from 1983 
until 1985, she was Chair of the All-Party Group on Race Relations from 
1985 to 1986, Member of the National Executive Committee (NEC) of the 
Labour Party since 1988, Chair of the NEC Women’s Committee from 1993 to 
1996 and Chair of the NEC International Committee since 1996. top
Stansfield Turner
Professor Turner is a Senior Research Scholar at the Center for 
International and Security Studies at Maryland. He served as Director of 
Central Intelligence from 1977-1981. As such, he headed both the 
Intelligence Community (composed of all of the foreign intelligence 
agencies of the United States) and the Central Intelligence Agency. He 
was responsible for developing new procedures for closer oversight of 
the Intelligence Community by Congress and the White House, led the 
Intelligence Community in adapting to a new era of real-time 
photographic satellites and instituted major management reform at the 
CIA. Previously as an Admiral in the U.S. Navy he served as commander of 
the U.S. Second Fleet and NATO Striking Fleet Atlantic, and as the 
commander-in-chief of NATO’s Southern Flank. Turner has published four 
books, “Secrecy and Democracy “(1985), “Terrorism and Democracy” (1991), 
“Caging the Nuclear Genies” (1997), and “Caging the Genies: A Workable 
Plan for Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons” (1998). top
The Honorable Henry Waxman
Henry A. Waxman represents California’s 30th Congressional District. 
Since 1997, Rep. Waxman has served as ranking member of the Government 
Reform Committee, the principal investigative committee in the House. 
Rep. Waxman recently sent a letter to National Security Advisor 
Condoleezza Rice asking her to answer questions about the extent of her 
knowledge of Iraq nuclear claims, whether there were White House efforts 
to mislead the public, and how the discredited uranium claim got into 
the NIE.  Waxman holds a bachelor’s degree in political science from 
UCLA and a J.D. from the UCLA Law School. top
Thomas E. White
Thomas E. White became the 18th Secretary of the Army on May 31, 2001, 
after nomination to that post by President Bush and confirmation by the 
United States Senate. He served in the US Army for 23 years from 
1967-2000 and retired as a brigadier general. After a series of 
high-profile clashes with Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz over Iraq 
planning and army modernization issues, White resigned from his post as 
army secretary in early 2003. During his tenure, White was also hounded 
by allegations regarding his role in the Enron debacle. But despite 
being questioned by Congress, White was never charged. White has 
continued his criticism of Defense Department decision-making vis-à-vis 
Iraq, arguing in a 2003 book entitled “Reconstructing Eden.” top
Joseph C. Wilson
Joe Wilson is the former Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in 
Iraq.  More recently, Wilson served as the Special Assistant to the 
President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National 
Security Council.  At the behest of Vice President Cheney, Wilson went 
to Niger to determine the credibility of documents claiming that Sadaam 
Hussein had purchased “yellow cake” uranium from that country.  Wilson 
debunked the claims as false yet the accusation appeared in President 
Bush’s State of the Union address.  Wilson claims the White House 
deliberately leaked his wife’s identity as a covert CIA operative after 
he wrote an article for the NY Times revealing that the Niger-uranium 
claims made by the White House were false. Wilson is currently on tour 
for his recently published New York Times best-selling book, “The 
Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies That led to War and Betrayed My 
Wife’s CIA Identity.” top
Colonel Mary Ann Wright
Colonel Mary Ann Wright is the former Ambassador to Mongolia who 
resigned on the eve of the war with Iraq. Ms. Wright was a diplomat for 
fifteen years and the Deputy Chief of Mission in the U.S. Embassies in 
Sierra Leone, Micronesia, and Afghanistan as part of the rebuilding team 
after the recent war. She has also had assignments in Somalia, 
Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Grenada and Nicaragua. Wright continues to speak 
out through TV, radio and newspaper interviews against the war in Iraq 
and other Bush administration policies including the lack of concern and 
effort to push the peace process along between the Israeli and 
Palestinians. top
Peter Zimmerman
Peter Zimmerman served as the Chief Scientist of the Senate Foreign 
Relations Committee from August 2001 until January 2003.  Before 
assuming his duties in the U.S. Senate, he was a senior fellow in arms 
control and verification at the Center for Strategic and International 
Studies and a former technical adviser to the U.S. delegation to the 
START talks. top


E perché no? Gli Stati Uniti sono una grande democrazia, tanto da permettere 
anche l'esistenza, ahinoi, di questa gente qui!
Così come in Italia è ancora permessa l'esistenza di partiti che si chiamano 
con nome grondante di sangue e di rubli: KOMUNISTI! 

 ha scritto nel messaggio
 > news:qhHmd.349080$35.15...@news4.tin.it...
 >
 >>Su questo NG e altrove in Italia, semberrebe che qualsiasi persone 
che si
 >>espreme contro la guerra in Iraq (independentamente delle loro 
opinione su
 >>Afghanistan, terrorismo etc) viene considerato un estrimisto
 >>anti-americano.
 >>
 >>Anché nella USA cé stato molto opposizione allo invasione di Iraq, 
saranno
 >>estremisti anché loro?
 >>
 >
 > E perché no? Gli Stati Uniti sono una grande democrazia, tanto da 
permettere
 > anche l'esistenza, ahinoi, di questa gente qui!
Ed apparentamente lo lascia arrivare nei piu alti posti militare e
governative?
 > Così come in Italia è ancora permessa l'esistenza di partiti che si 
chiamano
 > con nome grondante di sangue e di rubli: KOMUNISTI!
 >
 >
Nel mondo il termine communismo, come fascismo, nazismo non esiste piu,
e non do colpa a nessuno dei elencati ideologia politica per il sangue
versato nel loro nome perché le crimine segue la mancanza di democrazia
senza avere preferenze per sx e dx.
Ma, come giustamente nota, in Italia il termine Communista soppraviva.
Io, nel resto del mondo, sono un liberal democrat, teoricamente
l'ideologia del partito Forza Italia. Pero in quel partito, in pratica,
vedo ben poco che mi piace o che assimile un ideologia dei "Democrats".
Per di piu sono fortamente contrario a Silvio Berlusconi nella politica,
per non parlare di PdC. Apparanteamente in Italia chi sia contario al
Silvio é un Communista, e detto in quel termine io sono lieto di esserci
considerato uno.....un Communista Italiano!

 
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 di Iraq, saranno estremisti anché loro?
Pero' in certi periodi (come oggigiorno) anche negli USA chi dissente non e'
che abbia vita facile, quanto meno viene guardato in cagnesco come uno
smidollato ed un antipatriota, insomma un mezzo gradino al di sopra di un
sabotatore: ed anche questo avviene per motivi preclaramente storici.
Paradossalmente, questo per la societa' statunitense e' sia una benedizione,
sia una condanna perche' esprime una societa' forte ma contemporaneamente
molto vulnerabile di fronte al rischio d'incaponirsi su certe posizioni.
Andrea
salo...@mediacomm.it