Newsgroup: it.politica
Titolo: what Hanife wrote ...

Before, I must say that you are not my enemies and I love Turkey and
turkish people (I also wrote), I have been two times in Turkey and I
think I'll come back again in Turkey but now I must say freely what I
think about this situation.
This is what a person named Hanife wrote in a previous post:
The current Turkish constitution (1982) placed a number restrictions on
the
use of Kurdish language.
Article 26. "No language prohibited by law shall be used in the
expression and
dissemination of thought. Any written or printed documents, photographs
records, magnetic or video tapes, and other media instruments used in
contravention of this provision shall be confiscated.
Article 28. "Publications shall not be made in any language prohibited
by
law."
Article 42. " No language other than Turkish shall be taught as mother
tongue
to Turkish citizens at any institutions of training or education.
Foreign
languages to be taught in institutions of training and education and the
rules
to be followed by schools conducting training and education in a foreign
language shall be determined by law."
In another words you can get education in English, French, Arabic....
but not
in Kurdish.
Kurdish music and dance are also forbidden :
"It has been ascertained that folk dances known as "Asiret dances" are
being
presented to the people of East and Southeast Anatolia for ethnic and
separatist purposes; it has further been ascertained that the songs sung
during performances of these dances are in a language other than
Turkish. This
situation must be considered as damaging to our national unity and
integrity.
The necessary measures must be taken to ensure that the songs
accompanying
these folk dances are sung in no other language than Turkish" [Hasan
Saglam,
Minister for National Education of the Republic of Turkey, to all
Provincial
Governors, Cumhuriyet, December 11, 1982].
You want examples? How about these?
Now lets see some real examples: These examples were taken from "State
of
Flux: Human Rights in Turkey, A Helsinki Watch Report, December 1987,
pp-150-155].
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 Adamo su it.politica
Mancano del tutto le argomentazioni: tu non capisci l'inglese e hai
iniziato a fiatare prima di capirci un cazzo di tutta la discussione.
Ti interessa per caso di Ocalan ? Hai ricevuto messaggi solleciti in
Email da parte di turchi come è successo a me prima di iniziare questo
thread ?
Tu stai scimunendo del tutto.
Io sto solo dibattendo con delle persone che su questo argomento la
pensano diversamente da me e se si discute di politica questo su questo
è il minimo garantito di sempre: non c'è niente di strano e perverso.
PRIMO: Il fatto che il messaggio vada contemporaneamente su tre gruppi
non è nietato da IT e in questo particolare caso rappresenta
semplicemente un benefit per favorire la comunicazione poiché gli
italiani non possono parlare turco nel NG dei turchi e i Turchi non
leggono mai i NG in italiano della gerarchia di IT.
SECONDO: il gruppo a cui ho appena mandato il messaggio non apprtiene
alla gerarchi IT e li non vigono regole restrittive per quanto riguarda
il crosspost.
TERZO: prima del mio messaggio ce ne sono stati degli altri inviati
proprio da ragazzi turchi sia in Email a me che in questo NG con le
stesse modalità di crosspost in cui l'ho inviato io.
QUARTO: se cerchi la rissa per essere concupito dal sottoscritto allora
è un'altra discussione. ... guarda che io sono etero: prova da qualche
altra parte.
QUARTO: 'sta storia di come sono i siciliani fa ridere i polli perché se
tutti i 6 milioni di crani dell'isola leggessero sia me che te non so
per da chi prenderebbero prima le distanze.
QUINTO: io quantomeno discuto di politica e non delle puttane catanesi o
della corrida spagnola.
SESTO: fattilla 'ntappare da'
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 This is what a person named Hanife wrote in a previous post:
Hanife is a well known kurdish fascist & racist.
She showed many times her racists views toward Turks.
Like "Happy we are, because we are not Turks (Thanks god)"
Or  "the possibility that a Turk may have brain is...."
Should I continue ?
Ciao

Max_Adamo ha scritto
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ma che spacchios e'; fatti capire anche da un catanese turco
sucaminchiadiadamus

 > Or  "the possibility that a Turk may have brain is...."
This is really good one. Because he did not translate the my whole message
and took just small part of it... The part of my message was one of the
famost Turkish insulting sayings for the one of the minorities in Turkey
(for Laz people,  which is my mother side) . I have just modified it...And
this very "sensitive" Turk was suddenly recognized the racist part of these
short columns when I modified for the Turks which he never thought that it
was containing Turkish racism when they were saying for the minorities. Ask
him Max, how many insulting small stories they have for the Laz people? In
Turkey all the small stories consisting insulting, degrading parts are for
the non-Turkish people (Laz, Kurds, Armenians, etc). You can hear these
stories at TV, newspapers and from everyone. Ask him to give you some
examples of these stories....They have thousands of them.. Hopefully he can
'remember' one of them at  least!
You have to know one thing about me Max. I born in an international family.
My mother is Laz (she accepts herself as Turk, because she is assimilated,
and I respect her Turkishness and I say my mother is Turk. In fact, he is
the one who does not respect my mother's Turkishness) and my father is Kurd.
I have real Turkish brothers and sisters (from my mothers' previous
marriage), and I have Albanian nephews. I have learned to respect all other
cultures and accept those peoples with their identity. I have always enjoyed
the differences.  I am supporting Kurdish people because they are right. If
I would be 100% Turkish, today I would be writing you the same thing that
Kurds are the right to have their identity, culture, language and
self-determination.

 anymore.
 
O.K. Dear ""ASSIMILATED Kurd,""  Now do you really expect us to
believe to your below written crap???
Dont you realize that you've got no credibility left whatsoever?...
GET OUT OF HERE...
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 you can decided whether it is nationalism or racism.
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And one day she wake up, see she is half Turkish, half Kurdish.
Recentlu she waked up again, saw, additionally to her half
Turkish half Kurdish "identity" she is also a little bit "Laz".
Also some little part "Albanian".....
And what about 
"Happy we are, because we are not Turks (Thanks god)"
you said recently ?
She has no sympathy towards racism, since she is one.

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Nice meeting you dear ""PERFECT EXAMPLE of an ASSIMILATED Kurd,"" 
Furthermore, she claimed to be half Turkish-half Kurdish and lately, half Laz 
(A caucasus people) which makes 3 halves. But, if you ask me,  the only 
ASSIMILATION she can go thru is the the ASSIMILISATION to the human race from 
the blood drinking , fascist, racist PKK race....
Here is my two cents on her....
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