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Titolo: Molti afgani continuano ad avere paura

AROUND THE WORLD: Many Afghans haunted by Northern Alliance's past
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, November 12, 2001
Dan Chapman - Staff
Chaman, Pakistan --- Haji Abdul Ghani placed a forefinger in his mouth, and
cocked his thumb like a pistol.
"They put the nozzle of the gun in the baby's mouth," said Ghani, an Afghan
refugee. "The baby began sucking it like the nipple of his mother's breast.
Then they fired."
Ghani, a truck driver, swore his story was true. It happened, he said, three
weeks ago in Central Afghanistan. A fighter with the Northern Alliance
pulled the trigger, he added.
Beyond its abject horror, the story told by Ghani --- who has no love for
the Taliban either --- illustrates the anger and fear many Afghans harbor
for the Northern Alliance.
Far from the underdog militia trying to overthrow the despotic Taliban
regime, Northern Alliance troops are reviled across much of Afghanistan for
their brutality.
They are also despised because they are primarily Uzbeks, Hazaras, Tajiks.
Pashtuns comprise the main Afghan ethnic group in a country whose ethnic
stew never stops boiling.
Strange bedfellows
The United States is the Northern Alliance's main benefactor, providing
materiel, advisers and an intensive bombing campaign aimed at weakening
Taliban resistance
The Northern Alliance has taken advantage of heavy bombardments to advance
into the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif, a key military target.
Kabul would be next in Northern Alliance sights. While the United States, at
Pakistani insistence, suggests that the Northern Alliance won't be allowed
to single-handedly run Afghanistan, refugees and others remain wary of any
leadership role for the mujahedeen.
"We have lived under them before and they were not good rulers," said Sayed
Noor, an Afghan farmer who arrived last week at Killi Faizo refugee camp
along Pakistan's border. "They cannot rule Afghanistan again because we had
such bitter experiences with them. They are vicious."
Many of the mujahedeen, or holy warriors, now fighting for the Northern
Alliance are war veterans who served in the decadelong battle against the
Soviets. Northern Alliance commanders also filled key government positions
after the Soviets withdrew in 1989.
General Abdul Rashid Dostum was --- and is again today --- a top mujahedeen
leader. The Uzbek warlord's mutiny in 1992 led directly to the downfall and
execution of Najibullah, the last Communist ruler. It also ensured the
mujahedeen would roll into Kabul.
Michael Griffin, in his book "Reaping The Whirlwind: The Taliban Movement in
Afghanistan," labeled Dostum "a backwater Saddam Hussein . . . ruthless . .
. cunning."
Return from exile
Although included in a succession of Afghan governments, Dostum never
garnered the power he so coveted. Ethnic hatred between Uzbeks, Hazaras,
Tajiks and the majority Pashtun also scuttled any chance at real peace.
In January 1994, Dostum's 20,000-man strong militia laid siege to Kabul. Two
months of back-and-forth rocket and artillery fire led to the deaths of
4,000 Kabul residents and the exodus of 200,000 more.
Of Dostum's troops, Griffin wrote: "These Uzbek fighters inspired even
greater fear among civilians who named them galamjam --- or
carpet-thieves --- a term that Afghans diversified to embrace anyone with
bad intentions."
Dostum eventually retreated to Mazar-e-Sharif, until losses to the Taliban
pushed him over the border and eventually into exile in Turkey. But Dostum
returned this year to lead one of the main Northern Alliance factions.
"Listen to me carefully," warned Haji Abdul Ghani. "Those opposed to the
Northern Alliance are not on the side of the Taliban or al-Qaida. We just
want our children's survival, our women's survival. If the Northern Alliance
comes, we will all be killed."
Ghani and other Afghans also fear a return to lawlessness. When the
mujahedeen ran Afghanistan from 1992 to 1996, life was cheap. Rape was
common. Truckers like Ghani paid tolls to bandits on virtually every
roadway.
The horror of the past
The Taliban's Pashtun rulers restored order to Afghanistan, albeit a harsh
and twisted Islamic version of order. A Northern Alliance victory, even with
the United States looking over its shoulder, scares many Afghans.
"The Americans can't save us from the Northern Alliance," said Noor, 25, the
farmer. "I'm from northern Afghanistan and I've seen Dostum rule. His brand
of justice [favored] the people of his tribe and everyone else was
neglected, beaten or killed before the Taliban came."
Noor threw a pebble he was fingering into the sand.
"I have no doubt it will be no different if the Northern Alliance comes to
power again."
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Fall of Kabul Could Lead to a Bloodbath, Officials Warn
Hundreds of Pakistanis believed massacred
UN Reports Mazar-e-Sharif Executions
Kabul residents fear northern alliance, worry for their safety Kabul
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 comes, we will all be killed."
E Kabul e Mazar-i-Sharif mostra come questa frase sia estremamente
lontana dal vero.
-Stefano

 -Stefano
non sono arrivati tutti. Le brigate che costituiscono ll'Allenaza del nord
combattono mantenendosi a debita distanza tra di loro. Il fatto che una
citta' sia presa non significa affatto che tutto finisca li'. Bisogna vedere
che succede quando arivano quelli dell'altra etnia. Per esempio Kabul č
stata presa dai tagiki, e le andata bene, ma quando arriveranno gli uzbeki
voglio vedere. 
E le etnie sono tante...
Marko

 E le etnie sono tante...
Resta sempre uguale, qualsiasi sia il numero delle etnie, visto che
non parlava di una particolare etnia ma parlava di "Alleanza del Nord".
-Stefano

 Marko
Hai dimenticato i calmucchi, quelli che ti stanno a leggere e sono
mammalucchi.
Ma quanto vi rode che gli yankees in 35 giorni abbiano fatto quello che non
è riuscito ai sovietici in dieci anni. Adesso anche ad inesistenti paure vi
attaccate. Penosi.

 è riuscito ai sovietici in dieci anni.
Non sono stati gli stessi russi a dire che il problema non sta nella
conquista dei territori, ma nel mantenerli?
--
God save da house
Marduk

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ROTFL, povero balilla! E' talmente idiota che non ha ancora capito che in
Afghanistan le guerre non finiscono con la conquista di Kabul, piuttosto
iniziano. Vatti a informare di chi c'era a Kabul durante 14 anni di guerra
con i sovietici, razza di ignorante imbecille.
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Cresci bamboccio, e svegliati.

conquista dei territori, ma nel mantenerli?
Si, ma gli americani non credo vogliano fare un'opera di occupazione
stile armata rossa.
In altre parole, appena buttati giu' i Talebani ed appeso Osama,
subentrano i soldati in "misione umanitaria" e via andare.
Inoltre qualora il governo afgano chiedesse di ritirare i soldati (e
sarebbe libero di farlo), non credo si avrebbero grandi problemi.
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[Martuzzi Pierluigi]