Newsgroup: it.politica
Titolo: Dopo Apple, Europe Prepares Crackdown On Amazon, McDonald's

 
Guerra economica.
 
Dopo la farsa VW e i furti yankee alle banche.
 

 Dopo la farsa VW e i furti yankee alle banche.
 
Beh, per un EU che si voleva al servizio degli yankee e prona sul TTIP mica una mossa da poco. Anche se in realta' la punizione se la meritano gli irlandesi IMHO
 
L.

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Ni. Se la meriterebbero anche i lussemburghesi, allora. Ma il problema e' che l'Europa ha permesso questo schifo qua. Nel nome del sottosviluppo di certe aree, si e' permesso tassazioni ridicole e supportato quei paesi con soldi europei, che venivano da altre tasse. 
 
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GiOvAnNi

 Ni. Se la meriterebbero anche i lussemburghesi, allora. Ma il problema e' che l'Europa ha permesso questo schifo qua. Nel nome del sottosviluppo di certe aree, si e' permesso tassazioni ridicole e supportato quei paesi con soldi europei, che venivano da altre tasse. 
 
Idealmente si dovrebe evitare di competere su questo fronte all'interno della UE, o almeno evitare di fare accordi per singola azienda. 
IMHO nei meccanismi di contribuzione alla UE e di aiuti alle aree depresse si dovrebbe tenere di conto della tassazione applicata. Non si puo' pensare che un Paese raccolga pochissime tasse dalle aziende sul proprio terrirorio e poi si aspetti i soldi dagli altri stati membri che tassano di piu'. In una certa misura passi, serve a recuperare competitivita', ma non puo' essere spinto a questi livelli.
 
L.
 

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Quoto.
 
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GiOvAnNi

L'UE va a battere cassa dove ce n'è (e può prendere).
Altro che politica fiscale e supercazzole.
 
 
Salut

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Pensi che chi tira i fili non lo sappia?
E se lo sa e se ne fotte, permettendo a un paese di applicare lo 0.5% e imponendo a un altro di massacrare di tasse, che significa?
E se le cose stanno così, pensi che sia giusto osservare le leggi fiscali o sbattersene allegramente il cazzo? E poi cacanoucazz al tabaccaio che vende una caramella in nero con una pressione fiscale complessiva del 70%.. rotfl.
 
 
L'IMMORTALE

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Apple aveva l' 1% di tassazione in Irlanda.
Ma hanno contrattato ancora riduzione, sono andati allo 0,00xx %
Allora Apple era esente tasse, tasse zero ok.
Anzi probabilmente l'Irlanda dava finanziamenti ad Apple.
Un po di lobbyng, un po di bustarelle e via, mica sono corrotti nooo.
 
Ma non solo lei.
Tutti gli USA big stanno in Irlanda esentasse.
 
Invece VW fa fumo coi diesel, l'1% del parco circolante negli USA.
 
E' inaccettabile l'atteggiamento europeo.
 

 L'IMMORTALE
 
Ohh yeah
 
0.007 % su 100.000.000.000 euro (100 miliardi)
   66 % su 100 euro
 
E' la corruzione bellezza.
 
 

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Il mercato
Se sei una multinazionale non paghi.
Se sei un artigiano ti suicidi con equitalia.
 
 

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Mo Renzi' aumenta le tasse.
Non a FIAT ma a giuseppi' o pizzicagnolo.
 

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Violenta reazione degli USA contro la commissione europea.
Non vogliono pagar tasse, free lunch for yankee.
 
The US government has launched an unusually massive attack against the European Commission: The Americans accuse the EU of acting as a supranational control authority and of discriminating US corporations like Apple in this function. 
 
The US government is threatening the EU with retaliation in case the EU should stick to its course of condemning Apple to a billion-Dollar-tax payment.
 
A massive controversy has erupted between the US government and the EU Commission. 
With unusually incisive wording, the Americans are hitting out against the EU. The reason is an EU investigation against Apple due to insufficient tax payments. In a paper of the US Treasury Department the competition authority of the European Commission is accused to air as supranational fiscal authority, overstepping their competencies this way. 
In the view of the US government, the EU Commission is not entitled, to direct the member states regarding taxes. 
With their behavior, the European Commission would threaten the international agreements on tax legislation.
 
In the paper the EU Commission is blatantly threatened. 
Should the Commission maintain its position by insisting on a higher taxation of Apple, the US government would draw appropriate responses into consideration. 
 
The FT, who had revealed this paper, writes that Apple expects a penalty of up to 19 billion Dollars, in case the EU should take the view that Apple had paid lesser taxes in Ireland, although the corresponding sales figures were accumulated in other EU nations.
 
The US government accuses the EU to particularly disadvantage US corporations. 
A Commission spokeswoman said to the FT that the EU would treat all companies the same. 
They would be in an extended conversation with the Americans and would be available for discussions with the US government at any time.
 
E' guerra.
 
 

Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2016 14:10:11 UTC+2, Albert Crei ha scritto:
 
Le ragioni della azione EU
Guarda caso 14 miliardi di multe a banche UE
Guarda caso 14 miliardi di mancato pagamento tasse a Apple
 
Apple Ruling is a Retaliation for US Unjustified Fines on EU Banks
NapoleonApple
Apple’s $14 billion EU tax fine, and the suspension of the TTIP negotiations cannot come as a surprise; they are a clear retaliation for the totally unjustified penalties the US authorities imposed on European banks during the period between 2009 and 2014.
 
These fines were based on a change in U.S. regulations made in the second half of the 2010’s, i.e. that all operations done in dollars need to conform to American regulations. As the Dollar happens to be the world’s reserve currency, the US unilaterally expanded its jurisdiction on all other nations. The U.S. has the power to subjugate their partners to their authority and hand over some of their sovereignty to the ruling elites in Washington. BNP Paribas was forced to pay $8.9 billion to Washington regulators. The extraordinary high penalty on the French bank was for all intents and purposes a humiliation of France.
 
January 2009	Lioyds TSB Bank	350
December 2009	Lioyds TSB Bank	217
December 2009	Credit Suisse	536
May 2010	Royal Bank of Scotland	500
August 2010	Barclays	298
June 2012	ING	619
September 2012	Standard Charter	340
December 2012	Standard Charter	327
December 2012	HSBC	1300
December 2013	RBS	100
January 2014	Clearstream	152
June 2014	BNP Paribas	8900
Total		13639
 
Fines in million dollars European were forced to pay to US authorities
 
In due process, injustice was done to countries like Cuba, and European corporations lost business opportunities and income as they were forced to close their foreign branches.
 
In 2014 Havana Times wrote: The Banque Nationale de Paris (BNP Paribas), France’s largest banking institution, has closed its branch in Havana following an investigation undertaken by US authorities prompted by alleged transactions in violation of the commercial bans on Cuba, Iran and Sudan.”1)
While European Banks plead guilty to limiting the damage, the French political establishment issued some stern warnings. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius warned: “Meanwhile, we are in the process of discussing a trans-Atlantic partnership with the United States. This trade partnership can be established only on a basis of reciprocity. But here, we would have the example of an unjust and unilateral decision. (…) One cannot consider that reciprocity must be the rule if, at the same time, there is a decision like this,” said Fabius.2)
Christian Noyer, Governor of the Bank of France, stated clearly: “We have verified that all of the transactions at issue complied with the rules, laws and regulations at both the European and French levels.” There has been “no contravention” by BNP Paribas “of these rules nor, indeed, of the rules established by the United Nations.”3) It is highly unusual for a Governor of the European Central Bank to meddle in juridical and international affairs; it shows the mood of the Paris elite.
 
It is of no surprise that the Europeans and especially the French found an opportunity to hit back. This week’s fine on Apple is a slap in the face of the US hegemony. To the average reader the 14-billion-dollar-fine seems an arbitrary amount; to the US financial authorities it is a clear reminder of the 14 billion dollar penalty they impose on the European banks. According to our estimation, European banks paid Washington 14 billion dollars, the same amount that Apple has to pay the European authorities.
 
The US authorities start to understand that they provoked a financial turf war between Europe and the US, a war that just has to begin as Reuters wrote: “The U.S. Treasury sought to keep the pressure on the European Union to rescind a ruling that Apple Inc pay up to $14.5 billion in back taxes, a move Washington says breaches international tax rules and sets the stage for more actions against U.S. companies.” 4)
 
 
The game is on. Io direi the war is on.
 
E Amazon, Mc Donalds?

 supportato quei paesi con soldi europei, che venivano da altre tasse.
 
Non cogli il punto della questione: il problema non e' la tassazione 
ridicola, il problema e' che della tassazione ridicola beneficia solo la 
Apple.

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Io colgo che gli yankee han rotto i coglioni.
Mettono multe e embarghi a tutti.
 
E non pagano tasse.