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Titolo: Forme di pensiero capovolto

Insensatezza spacciata per intelligenza ed abilità intuitiva."
Quando i terroristi, aiutati in questo dalle sinistre di tutto il
mondo, sono riusciti ad attribuire la colpa di ogni loro strage agli
USA, hanno fatto un bel passo avanti! Qual'è il meccanismo con cui
sono riusciti in questo esploit? Semplicemente facendo circolare il
discorso che se gli americani non avessero attaccato l'Iraq, la strage
non sarebbe avvenuta.
Sostenere che la colpa della strage dei bambini a Bagdad è degli USA è
un esempio di pensiero rovesciato, un pensiero che attribuisce la
colpa non agli autori delle stragi ma ai loro nemici. Questa forma di
pensiero è simile al pensiero ideologico secondo il quale tutto capita
per un certo motivo (es: le cause economiche di marxiana memoria,
oppure pre l'intervento di Allah). Si sa che l'ideologia serve proprio
a nascondere la verità, eppure molta gente ragiona così.
E' chiaro che in base all'antiamericanismo della sinistra, qualsiasi
cosa succeda è sempre colpa degli USA. Tutto avviene perchè gli USA
vogliono mettere le mani sul petrolio iracheno (e non perchè vogliono
eliminare il terreno di coltura del terrorismo).
Una terza forma di pensiero deviato è quella complottistica in base
alla quale non si crede mai all'evidenza, ma si deve sempre cercare un
complotto nascosto. Ecco che gli attentati dell'11 settembre sono
stati organizzati dalla CIA e dal Mossad, etc.
Queste forme di pensiero capovolto, sono proprio quelle in base alle
quali molta gente della sinistra radicale ragiona, o meglio sragiona
ed è per questo che le conclusioni delle loro meditazioni sono
invariabilmente quelle di sostenere le peggiori dittature, il
terrorismo e le vittorie elettorali di Berlusconi.
Labirinti
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Labirinti ha scritto:
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invece crearsi giustificazioni (il dogma dell'islam che vuole invadere
l'occidente), accettare acriticamente le notizie come vengono proposte dai
media, rifiutare a priori alcuni dati (come il controllo del petrolio) e'
una forma di pensiero lineare?
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Cosa ne pensi di questo?
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm
Avevo provato a chiedere la stessa cosa a Clas, che pero' adesso e'
occupato con l'economia e non puo' certo tenere il conto di tutti i
thread che inizia.
...
The House Subcommittee report also concluded (page 2): "The
Administration's Iranian green light policy gave Iran an unprecedented
foothold in Europe and has recklessly endangered American lives and US
strategic interests." Further --
" . . . The Iranian presence and influence [in Bosnia] jumped radically
in the months following the green light. Iranian elements infiltrated
the Bosnian government and established close ties with the current
leadership in Bosnia and the next generation of leaders. Iranian
Revolutionary Guards accompanied Iranian weapons into Bosnia and soon
were integrated in the Bosnian military structure from top to bottom as
well as operating in independent units throughout Bosnia. The Iranian
intelligence service [VEVAK] ran wild through the area developing
intelligence networks, setting up terrorist support systems, recruiting
terrorist 'sleeper' agents and agents of influence, and insinuating
itself with the Bosnian political leadership to a remarkable degree.
The Iranians effectively annexed large portions of the Bosnian security
apparatus [known as the Agency for Information and Documentation (AID)]
to act as their intelligence and terrorist surrogates. This extended to
the point of jointly planning terrorist activities. The Iranian embassy
became the largest in Bosnia and its officers were given unparalleled
privileges and access at every level of the Bosnian government." (page
201)
...
The United States played a disturbingly "hands-on" role, with,
according to the Senate report (page 19), U.S. government personnel
twice conducting inspections in Croatia of missiles en route to Bosnia.
Further --
"The U.S. decision to send personnel to Croatia to inspect rockets
bound for Bosnia is . . . subject to varying interpretations. It may
have been simply a straightforward effort to determine whether chemical
weapons were being shipped into Bosnia. It was certainly, at least in
part, an opportunity to examine a rocket in which the United States had
some interest. But it may also have been designed to ensure that
Croatia would not shut down the pipeline." (page 21)

terrorismo e le vittorie elettorali di Berlusconi.
Quali dittature avrei sostenuto, per curiosità?

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 l'Iraq, la strage non sarebbe avvenuta.
Certo che sei davvero scemo...
Insomma: abbiamo fior-fiore di esempi a cui fare riferimento.
Esempi di dittatori amati dall'occidente ma che sono stati ribaltati 
dal loro interno, dall'insostenibile malcontento che le loro efferate 
politiche avevano ingenerato.
Marcos, Suharto, Duvalier, Mobutu, solo per citarne alcuni...
Ed invece con Saddam che hanno fatto, qui geni strategici di 
Washington ?
Hanno imposto 12 anni di ferocissimo embargo, cosi da consolidare 
fortemente il suo potere (insomma, la stessa teoria usata con Cuba e 
che ha dato gli stessi frutti)
Ora, o questi americani sono tutti scemi, oppure qualcosa non funziona 
nel ragiomento.
L'esempio precedetne era sotto agli occhi di tutti, e loro l'hanno 
tornato ad applicare, puntellando Saddam (anche con lo scandalo Oil 
for Food che, in fatti, è stato insabbiato)
Il fatto, mio caro Labirinti, è che bisogna sapere usare la testa e 
collagare eventi lontani nel tempo e che portano ai risultati attuali.
E tu, a tutta evidenza, non ne sei capace a casua di una memoria 
storica assimilabile a quella di un pesce rosso.
Saluti
Il GecKo

 thread che inizia.
In effetti non avevo letto il tuo post...adesso leggo l'articolo
intanto.
Clas

 
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm
Cacchio è troppo lungo....me lo sunteggi, nella parte che ti interessa ?
Clas

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In sostanza, quello che i senatori repubblicani dissero e' che, grazie
anche a Clinton/Cia, giusto sull'altra parte dell'Adriatico (cosa che
mi preoccupa non poco per motivi se non altro di ridotta distanza),
sono stati finanziati e armati dei gruppi di terroristi.
Rimangono ovviamente le mie considerazioni dell'altro thread (la
mentalita' violenta dei musulmani radicali, e che anche l'Unione
Sovietica non e' immune da colpe nel Medio Oriente)
Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant
Islamic Base
    "'There is no question that the policy of getting arms into Bosnia
was of great assistance in allowing the Iranians to dig in and create
good relations with the Bosnian government,' a senior CIA officer told
Congress in a classified deposition. 'And it is a thing we will live to
regret because when they blow up some Americans, as they no doubt will
before this . . . thing is over, it will be in part because the
Iranians were able to have the time and contacts to establish
themselves well in Bosnia.'" ["Iran Gave Bosnia Leader $500,000, CIA
Alleges: Classified Report Says Izetbegovic Has Been 'Co-Opted,'
Contradicting U.S. Public Assertion of Rift," Los Angeles Times,
12/31/96. Ellipses in original. Alija Izetbegovic is the Muslim
president of Bosnia.]
    "'If you read President Izetbegovic's writings, as I have, there is
no doubt that he is an Islamic fundamentalist,' said a senior Western
diplomat with long experience in the region. 'He is a very nice
fundamentalist, but he is still a fundamentalist. This has not changed.
His goal is to establish a Muslim state in Bosnia, and the Serbs and
Croats understand this better than the rest of us.'" ["Bosnian Leader
Hails Islam at Election Rallies," New York Times, 9/2/96]
....
The Iranian Connection
Perhaps most threatening to the SFOR mission -- and more importantly,
to the safety of the American personnel serving in Bosnia -- is the
unwillingness of the Clinton Administration to come clean with the
Congress and with the American people about its complicity in the
delivery of weapons from Iran to the Muslim government in Sarajevo.
That policy, personally approved by Bill Clinton in April 1994 at the
urging of CIA Director-designate (and then-NSC chief) Anthony Lake and
the U.S. ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith, has, according to the
Los Angeles Times (citing classified intelligence community sources),
"played a central role in the dramatic increase in Iranian influence in
Bosnia." Further, according to the Times, in September 1996 National
Security Agency analysts contradicted Clinton Administration claims of
declining Iranian influence, insisting instead that "Iranian
Revolutionary Guard personnel remain active throughout Bosnia."
Likewise, "CIA analysts noted that the Iranian presence was expanding
last fall," with some ostensible cultural and humanitarian activities
"known to be fronts" for the Revolutionary Guard and Iran's
intelligence service, known as VEVAK, the Islamic revolutionary
successor to the Shah's SAVAK. [LAT, 12/31/96] At a time when there is
evidence of increased willingness by pro-Iranian Islamic militants to
target American assets abroad -- as illustrated by the June 1996
car-bombing at the Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, that killed
19 American airmen, in which the Iranian government or pro-Iranian
terrorist organizations are suspected ["U.S. Focuses Bomb Probe on
Iran, Saudi Dissident," Chicago Tribune, 11/4/96] -- it is
irresponsible in the extreme for the Clinton Administration to gloss
over the extent to which its policies have put American personnel in an
increasingly vulnerable position while performing an increasingly
questionable mission.
Three Key Issues for Examination
This paper will examine the Clinton policy of giving the green light to
Iranian arms shipments to the Bosnian Muslims, with serious
implications for the safety of U.S. troops deployed there. (In
addition, RPC will release a general analysis of the SFOR mission and
the Clinton Administration's request for supplemental appropriations to
fund it in the near future.) Specifically, the balance of this paper
will examine in detail the three issues summarized below:
1. The Clinton Green Light to Iranian Arms Shipments (page 3): In April
1994, President Clinton gave the government of Croatia what has been
described by Congressional committees as a "green light" for shipments
of weapons from Iran and other Muslim countries to the Muslim-led
government of Bosnia. The policy was approved at the urging of NSC
chief Anthony Lake and the U.S. ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith.
The CIA and the Departments of State and Defense were kept in the dark
until after the decision was made.
2. The Militant Islamic Network (page 5): Along with the weapons,
Iranian Revolutionary Guards and VEVAK intelligence operatives entered
Bosnia in large numbers, along with thousands of mujahedin ("holy
warriors") from across the Muslim world. Also engaged in the effort
were several other Muslim countries (including Brunei, Malaysia,
Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Turkey) and a number of radical
Muslim organizations. For example, the role of one Sudan-based
"humanitarian organization," called the Third World Relief Agency, has
been well-documented. The Clinton Administration's "hands-on"
involvement with the Islamic network's arms pipeline included
inspections of missiles from Iran by U.S. government officials.
3. The Radical Islamic Character of the Sarajevo Regime (page 8):
Underlying the Clinton Administration's misguided green light policy is
a complete misreading of its main beneficiary, the Bosnian Muslim
government of Alija Izetbegovic. Rather than being the tolerant,
multiethnic democratic government it pretends to be, there is clear
evidence that the ruling circle of Izetbegovic's party, the Party of
Democratic Action (SDA), has long been guided by the principles of
radical Islam. This Islamist orientation is illustrated by profiles of
three important officials, including President Izetbegovic himself; the
progressive Islamization of the Bosnian army, including creation of
native Bosnian mujahedin units; credible claims that major atrocities
against civilians in Sarajevo were staged for propaganda purposes by
operatives of the Izetbegovic government; and suppression of enemies,
both non-Muslim and Muslim.