Newsgroup: it.fan.tv.buffy
Titolo: (SPOILER lungo) - Ep 7x10 - 7x11 - 7x12

taken as romantic?
First of all, let me repeat myself. I am NOT a shipper.
In most fandoms, in fact, I am strongly anti-ship. Buffy
is a notable exception, in that I'm okay with a B/S ship,
but I can also happily manage without one. So asking
me if something is shippy isn't necessarily going to get
you anywhere.
Having said that -- the answer to your question imo is no. There
are NO "indisputably romantic" moments in either of these
episodes, I don't think. And I don't frankly expect any anytime
soon. I don't think that's where the show is going.
I would say you were correct in your statement that this is like
NLM's basement scene in tone, where some people got shippy
vibes and others just saw respect and possible friendship.
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Q: Is Giles still around, and is he still doing the "no-touching"
thing? Does Giles, be he real or Not!Giles, have any reaction
at all to anything related to Spike?
Giles is around in eps 10 and 11; he's supposedly
off collecting a Shanghai candidate in ep 12 and
thus not present.
As far as I know, the *no touching* thing remains
constant. Buffy in fact does go to hug him when he
shows up in ep 10, but gets interrupted by the SiTs.
There is no Giles reaction to anything Spike, so far
as I can tell. He's present in one scene where Buffy
mentions the need to rescue Spike, but he doesn't say
anything about it.
Q: Does he question Buffy's determination to find/rescue Spike?
No.
Q: Does he find out about the soul? Or anything?
Not so far as I can tell. Sorry. He's more concerned
with the apocalyptic ramifications of what's going on.
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Regarding my statement that that while being
tortured in ep 10, Spike is dreaming of Buffy.
Q: What's in the dream?
A: Nothing nearly as interesting as you're suggesting. :-)
Seriously, he's just seeing her being sympathetic
and caring toward him.
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Miscellaneous:
On a totally different note, let me say that Andrew
is still around providing comic relief and some of
it is really quite funny. He and Xander share an
amusing geek moment in ep 10.
We get clear exposition from Giles in ep 10 that the
FE is incorporeal and can only take the forms of
those who have died.
Ed altri ancora:
ep 10 
Giles
* Shows up with the SiTs. Buffy goes to hug him, but gets interrupted 
by the SiTs marching into her house.
* Giles is Exposition guy -- tells Buffy about the attacks on SiTs 
and their Watchers; the attack on the Watcher HQ;
and talks about the First
* Giles goes with Buffy to the place where she last encountered the 
First (the Xmas tree place in Amends)
* Giles tells Buffy about the Turok-Han (the Ubervamp)
Xander
* worrying about Buffy a lot of the time (sorry, Xander fans)-- being 
a good friend mostly
* momentarily bonds with Andrew over comic books; he interacts with 
Andrew more than do the others, I think
Anya -- not much apart from a funny scene with Dawn involving Andrew 
near the beginning
Willow -- locator spell goes awry and she is briefly possessed by The 
First. Big time panic.
Ep 11
Giles and Anya seek out an oracle-like being in order to learn more 
about The First. What they learn is very disconcerting.
Xander accompanies Buffy to meet up with a new SiT
Willow is forced to use magic again to try and protect the Summers 
house from attack
Ep 12
Willow (with Xander, Dawn and Anya in attendance) does a spell to 
locate an SiT in Sunnydale.
Willow, Xander and Anya (with Andrew's unwelcome participation) 
discuss the implications of Dawn as a potential Slayer.
Xander goes to rescue Dawn at one point.
Xander has that very moving speech at the end that others have 
alluded to.
No Giles in ep 12
And yeah -- I'll concede that the others don't have all that much to 
do in these eps -- though there is that one great Willow scene; the 
oracle-seeking trip by Giles and Anya; and that very nice Xander 
scene. But these episodes either focus more on other characters, or 
involve so many characters that there really isn't that much of a 
focus at all.
1. Willow and Kennedy -- Kennedy hits on Willow, almost from the 
start. Which flusters Willow a bit.
2. I don't know about Ms. Kitty Fantastico -- there are different 
accounts floating around. The knowledge I have does not mention Ms. 
Kitty, alas.
3. Re Tara's name. I don't recall Willow mentioning Tara, but I 
confess I don't have that precise a knowledge of things. It's 
certainly possible that Tara might have been mentioned. I just don't 
know, however. Sorry.
Also, Kennedy has a lot of trouble taking seriously the idea of 
Willow as a powerful, bad-ass witch. At least at first.
1. Clem in the bar -- he exchanges greetings with Buffy. Among other 
things. I think it will be a short but funny scene, with serious 
undertones.
2. only one Ubervamp as of the end of ep 12.
Sull' "affogamento" di Spike:
He is not dunked in holy water. It is icky, murky, dirty water -- not 
holy at all. :-) He is being drowned, as other spoilers have 
indicated.
And no -- it doesn't make any sense to me either. I got the sense 
that Spike was being treated like one of the Immortals in HL in that 
scene -- *die* and come straight back to life. Or unlife in this 
case. I totally don't understand this.
Bye for now!
Bacioni, Roberta
Ciao
Valentina
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uffi sono in inglese =(
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uffi sono in inglese =(
Riassumendo (molto):
SPOILER
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1) Buffy salva Spike, gli sorride e lo porta via aiutandolo a
camminare
2) Spike e Buffy aiuteranno le 2 aspiranti cacciatrici ad allenarsi,
Buffy colpirà Spike e preoccupata della sua salute (è ancora
convalescente il tato) si metterà a cavalconi di lui e gli alzerà la
maglia per vedere se gli ha rotto qualche costola
3) Spike e Buffy chiuderanno le 2 aspiranti cacciatrici in una cripta
con un vampiro per allenarle, Spike metterà la sua mano su quella di
Buffy e lei non lo scaccerà :-)
Ciao
Valentina
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