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Titolo: Dawn nelle prime 4 stagioni di BtVS

Per i fan della puccettosa.
http://www.buffy.nu/article.php3?id_article=8174
http://www.zachsmind.com/buffy/004BuffyDawn.html
Writing Dawn into the first four seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer
From season five onward, Dawn has been a part of the Buffy Universe.
However, she is also in the hearts and minds of each of the Scoobies, as if
she always existed. One can think that the monks fabricated memories for
all the Scoobies, but a better and simpler explanation lies with an
assumption based loosely on the Many Worlds Theory in quantum mechanics.
In shortform, any possible event that could have happened in the course of
linear time, or indeed anything anyone can imagine to have happened, HAS
happened in an alternate reality from the one we know. There is an
alternate reality where Hitler did win the war for example, according to
Hugh Everett III.
Whenever you stand at a fork in the road, and you ask yourself should I go
left or right? There is a reality in which you went left and there is an
equally existing reality in which you went right. And never the twain shall
meet... Unless of course you’re a practitioner of magic.
Rather than fabricate a nonexistent world from scratch in which Buffy’s
parents, Joyce and Hank, also conceived a second child, the monks’ magicks
could simply have found a world where Dawn DID exist already and MERGED
that world mystically with the world where Dawn didn’t exist. So that
technically the world we experienced in the first four years of viewing
Buffy doesn’t exist now and since we’re talking about nonlinear temporal
distortion, it never did. While merging these two realities into one, they
slipped the energy ball into Dawn. This would explain why no one attempted
to take Dawn before her 15th year, because she wasn’t an energy ball until
that point in time.
So where was Dawn in those first four years? One can go back now, review
the episodes, and try to imagine where the writers would have placed Dawn
in the storylines, had they thought so far ahead as to include her. OR if
you’re a purist and think those first four seasons didn’t have Dawn and
shouldn’t and that quantum mechanics is a load of dingoes kidneys, fine.
Think of it this way. If you were able to sit with Xander or Giles and ask
them to recall the days before Sunnydale high school was destroyed, where
would their mystically affected minds believe Dawn was at the time?
It’s assumed that by the time we get to "Real Me" in the fifth season, Dawn
already knows that Buffy is the Slayer. Did she learn this at the same time
that Joyce did, or did Dawn learn about it beforehand, and occasionally
used her knowledge against Buffy to bribe her against their mother. This is
a strongly tempting concept for any writer, as it creates inherently more
conflict and would make great fun, so one can assume Dawn learned before
Joyce did that Buffy is the Slayer.
Did Dawn know at the start of the series? Again we can assume no for
similar reasons. Were the writers utilizing Dawn’s character from the
beginning, it would be more exciting from a writing standpoint to offer a
moment of realization and discovery on the part of Dawn, that she was
related to a vampire slayer, and how might she react to that?
It’s difficult to assume that Dawn ever went out and slew vampires with
Buffy, because it was established in Real Me that Joyce strongly frowned on
this, and Dawn also had little to no experience in defending herself. We
know that Dawn knew most of Buffy’s friends prior to "Real Me" because she
had a crush on Xander, and in her diary narration it was established she
had an opinion of one form or another with all the supporting characters.
Buffy turned 18 in season three (Helpless) and turned 20 in season five
(Blood Ties) so at the point of "Real Me" Buffy is 19. In that same episode
Dawn admits she’s 14. I know not when Dawn’s birthday is, but it should be
safe to say there’s a five year difference between their ages. This means
even when Buffy started in high school, Dawn was only ten years old and
attending fifth grade. Dawn would rarely if ever adversely affect any
scenes that occurred during regular school hours in Sunnydale High School,
as she was attending elementary school. In later seasons until season five,
she was in junior high school. She could however have occasionally appeared
before or after school, and Buffy’s mother would have insisted Buffy help
out at least occasionally with caring for Dawn. This would mean less
vampire slaying time, or more excuses.
Dawn really liked Xander and Willow, moreso than Giles. It can be surmised
from this that she spent more time with them, and treated her in a
favorable way that was to her liking. The logical assumption would be that
when Buffy went slaying, Willow or Xander would at times distract Dawn and
babysit her, trying to keep her from learning the truth about Buffy’s
Slayer status for as long as possible.
In the first act of the first episode, "Welcome To The Hellmouth," Joyce
wakes Buffy up for her first day of school. It can be assumed that Joyce
was waking Dawn up at the same time. So we may have seen Dawn that early on
in the series, had the writers of BtVS thought that far ahead. A lot of the
rest of the story takes place at the school itself until the third act, so
none of that would have changed. In the third act there’s a scene at home,
where Joyce asks Buffy about going to The Bronze. Joyce doesn’t mention
leaving the house for the night, so it can be assumed she wouldn’t force
Buffy to watch over Dawn. However, Dawn may have been in the scene causing
minor annoyance.
In the second episode, "The Harvest," Joyce & Buffy have an argument where
she is effectively grounded for the night, even though the world’s about to
end (as usual). We can assume Dawn was in the house at the time. Whether or
not she would have been in the scene is undeterminable. Odds are a nosy
sister like that would have caused some problems, but since in the reality
that Dawn exists the Master was destroyed on time, we can assume that if
Dawn caused Buffy difficulty, Buffy was able to somehow fool her sister
into believing she didn’t sneak out of the house. Other episodes may have
operated similarly. Episodes involving Joyce & Buffy may have included Dawn
but probably did not adversely affect the status quo.
However, in the second season there was an episode called "Halloween" and
one can probably assume that Joyce would have insisted Dawn join her sister
Buffy on the whole trick or treating deal. If Dawn purchased a costume from
the same shop Buffy did, she would have gotten temporary amnesia during the
fracas and become whatever her costume was. However, afterwards she would
have remembered everything that happened, and odds are she would have seen
her sister kicking Spike’s ass after they all got their memories back. This
would have created a compromising situation for Buffy, where her secret was
no longer safe, and the episodes "Lie To Me" to "What’s My Line Part Two"
would probably include scenes where Dawn threatened to tell Joyce that
Buffy never stopped chasing after monsters. Joyce didn’t find out until
much later, so we can’t assume Dawn ever succeeded.
The episode "Ted" would have involved Dawn quite directly, as much of it
took place in their house. Dawn probably would have disliked Ted as much as
Buffy did. What child immediately warms up to a creepy guy dating her mom
and talking about marriage so fast? So the two of them might have found
themselves working together, in a truce of sorts, to figure out what was
wrong with the guy. We can surmise that from this experience, Dawn would at
least temporarily agree to keep their Mom in the dark about Buffy’s Slayer
status. Perhaps even help Buffy concoct alibis so she wouldn’t get in
trouble, in return for an endless amount of favors of course.
Come to think of it, I think the series would have been better from the
start had Dawn been an integral member of the series from day one.
Jolan Tru
-- 
Filippo "Hytok" Simone - L'oracolo sampdoriano di Sunnydale
La Casa degli Elfi - 
http://www.freewebtown.com/lacasadeglielfi/
Enclave del Dominio - S.N.S. Despiser - 
http://ildominio.altervista.org/
Commissione Voyager - 
http://www.voyageritalia.com/

 much later, so we can’t assume Dawn ever succeeded.
Ma perche' immaginarla cosi' bastardella, poverina ^^;
 
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skimpy black leather outfit that shows off my cleavage.  Oh god. I'll
have to get cleavage."
(Arrowette - Young Justice 16)

 ha scritto nel
messaggio
senza tutta sta menata, non possono "semplicemente" aver messo dei ricordi
finti in tutti quelli che Dawn dovrebbe aver incontrato?
[SPOILER]
dopotutto č stato fatto anche con Connor, il figlio di Angel.. gli hanno
messo delle memorie finte, a lui, e alla sua finta famiglia, facendogli
ricordare solo il falso e non quello che gli era capitato veramente.. tranne
ad Angel...
in ATS si spiega anche che si tratta di ricordi e non di linee temporali
separate, infatti c'č una "finestra" magica, chein realta č un cubo, che se
si rompesse davanti a chi č stata modificata la memoria, questa tornerebbe a
stabilirsi.
penso sia lo stesso tipo di magia, con in piu la creazione di Dawn.

finti in tutti quelli che Dawn dovrebbe aver incontrato?
  E' anche molto piu' semplice alterare delle memorie piuttosto che la
realta' fisica di tutta la storia precedente...
  P.S. Magari quando metti uno spoiler oltre all'avviso lascia anche
un po' di spazio...
-- 
  Ciao :-)
  Massimo
  Nell'indirizzo, sostituire "micio" con "mc"

 realta' fisica di tutta la storia precedente...
Veramente i'Hypertime spiega che e' molto piu' semplice alterare la
realta' fisica che le memorie di tutti i coinvolti, compresi compagni di
classe della pupetta, vicini di casa, amici... semplicemente vengono
"tutti sostituiti" da un amalgama di loro senza pupetta, e loro che la
conoscono.
Tra l'altro nel DCU, a parte lo Straniero Fantasma (che nessuno ha capito
se sia l'Ebreo Errante o un Angelo che ai tempi di Lucifero non prese
nessuna delle due parti, quindi finendo sulla Terra), Lo Spettro
(verosimilmente Dio lo sapra' pure...) ed il lettore, nessuno sa
dell'Hypertime, ma tutti ne sono afflitti. L'idea citata da Hytok per
questo mi sembra non poi cosi' peregrina. Certo, lo spoiler di prima
dimostra che Whedon probabilmente la vede in modo molto diverso, e non
conoscendo Natry non posso discutere di quell'implementazione, ma
ripensando ad Anya ed alla linea temporale in cui Buffy non c'era piu', mi
vien da pensare a pupetta come un prodotto dei recessi dell'Hypertime ^^
Qui c'e' una spiegazioncella ^^
http://www.geocities.com/hypertime2000/features/theory/index.html
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 dopotutto è stato fatto anche con Connor, il figlio di Angel..
EEEEEH????????????????
CAZZO, LO SPOILER METTETELO COME SI DEVE!!!!! 

conoscono.
  Tutto cio' vale postulando che nel Buffyverse sia piu' semplice
creare l'alterazione della realta' fisica tramite la magia: prendendo
"The Wish" come esempio cio' potrebbe essere anche possibile ma non
ricordo se ci siano indizi che facciano propendere per una soluzione o
per l'altra.
  Non commento il resto perche' la mia conoscenza di fumetti e'
praticamente nulla.
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 un po' di spazio...
azz.. scusate.. sorry.. venia.. ora mi fustugo.. chiedo scusa a chi abbia
rovinato qualcosa..

 praticamente nulla.
Il senso piu' che l'ambito fumettistico era nella previsione di
un'ipotetica fusione di linee temporali. Che porterebbe appunto a due
conseguenze fondamentali:
1. Nessuna delle persone coinvolte nella fusione potrebbe sapere di essere
stata "cambiata" con l'amalgama di se stesso, ne' trovare alcunche' di
strano nella nuova "realta'". Guardacaso, in entrambi i media, abbiamo che
pazzi e "speciali" sono gli unici in grado di conoscere la verita'. Al
termine della Crisi, yb Cfvpb-Cvengn, vzcnmmvgb n pnhfn qryyn shfvbar
qrtyv havirefv, evpbeqn ivivqnzragr r fvatbynezragr btav niiravzragb
"pnapryyngb". Joyce man mano che il tumore le intacca il cervello comincia
a scordarsi di pupetta e riconoscerla come estranea.
2. Personalita' e ricordi di ognuno potrebbero essere ritoccati in modo da
comprendere i vari aspetti della nuova realta'.
L'esempio del testo di Hytok fa riferimento a girare in modo diverso ad un
bivio. Mettiamo che io prenda la strada di destra. Nell'Hypertime ci sara'
un altro me stesso che ha preso la strada di sinistra. Questo altro me
stesso avra' per esempio fatto delle esperienze che modifichino il mio
stile di vita o la mia visione del mondo di un certo livello. Tanto per
fare un esempio di Hypertime fumettistico, escludiamo il me stesso che
gira, e prendiamo la Gwineth Paltrow di Sliding Doors. Una donna, due
linee temporali. In una viene a sapere di una certa cosa, nell'altra linea
torna a casa tardi ed e' ignara. Quando le due linee si "ricompattano"
abbiamo una protagonista la cui visione del mondo e' diversa dalla
protagonista della prima e della seconda linea, essendo come se fosse
"maturata" in due linee temporali.
Per cui, a parte Dawn che non esisteva, gli altri avrebbero potuto
accettare Dawn perche' ogni abitante della Terra della linea B1 si e'
"fuso" con gli omologhi della linea D1. In caso di "non presenze", come
Dawn, si e' avuto una soluzione di compromesso. Dawn e' arrivata in questo
mondo, i monaci hanno "spinto" perche' non fosse cancellata
dall'esistenza. Joyce, impazzendo gradualmente, e' diventata in grado di
vedere la linea B1 come sarebbe stata senza la sua mutazione nella linea
B2, percependo Dawn come un elemento di disturbo.
Con questi postulati, il discorso mi sembra perfetto.
Ma mi sembra anche perfetto postulando una magia cosi' potente da
influenzare chiunque possa essere venuto a contatto con Dawn... anche se
l'Hypertime aiuterebbe a spiegare come mai Dawn avesse documenti, tessera
sanitaria... semplicemente nella linea D1 e' stata battezzata
regolarmente, ha avuto l'iscrizione nei pubblici registri... e nella
storia della "nuova" B2, amalgama delle due precedenti, non e' cambiato
niente.
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"I'm wearing one of his old shirts!
Didn't _that_ tell you something?"
"I lent Robin a bathing suite once
It didn't mean we were lovers"
Dolphin and Tempest - Aquaman v3, 37