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Titolo: Never Leave Me: First Things First

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Fine.
I was wrong.
I admit it.
The Big Bad of the season is not, as I aggressively surmised, Satan. Not in
any of his readily identifiable forms, anyway. Not Lucifer. Not the Devil.
Not Beelzebub. Not J-Lo. Not even Strom Thurman.
No, the BB is The First Evil. Capital "T", capital "F", capital "E." Welcome
to the Hellmouth, people. Many of you speculated that we were dealing with
The First from the start, but I resisted.
To you, I say "congratulations."
I also say, "not so fast my friends."
The thing is, I'm pretty darn tootin' sure than none of you realized that
The First Evil meant the first vampire. I didn't see that one coming at all.
It literally took Nosferatu DaFoe rising out of the ground for it to start
to sink in.
The big bad is the first vampire. THE FIRST VAMPIRE! Think about this
people. Think about the legend. The first is the source of all power. It is
the bloodlink. Most, though admittedly not all, vampire mythologies hold at
its center that if the first vampire - the original sire - were to die, it
would end it all right then and there.
No more vampires.
End of story.
It makes a twisted sort of sense now that so much has been revealed. Of
course the worst evil of them all would be a vampire. Why else would there
be a chosen one vampire slayer? Why else would she be in all of the
prophecies? Last I checked, there wasn't a Charlene the Ghost Catcher or
Deborah the Invisible Man Hunter.
As far as mythology is concerned, it takes a duality for the whole thing to
work. They are two sides of the same coin. With the vampire comes the
slayer. With the slayer, the vampire. In the beginning, that meant the first
slayer, whom we've already met, thank you very much. It stands to reason
there would be something as old as her to complete the picture.
The first vampire.
The First Evil.
The Big Bad.
If you think about it - and I know you did the second Quentin made his St.
Crispin's day speech - why else would the Watcher's Council be so concerned
with vampires at all. If we are going to live in a world with unspeakable
paranormal evil, without question our species would come up with something
like the Council. It's how our little minds work. It's how we deal with
things.
But the more you think about it, the more the dependency on vampires becomes
clear. If all evil - diabolical evil in the root word sense of things - were
the main culprit, we'd have an organization more like the Talamasca.
Vampires would be on the agenda, sure, but the real issues would be more
diversified. If the devil were real and such a big horrible thing, that's
what the big secret organization would be truly focused on.
But it's always been about the vampire.
The way I see it, the last time around - all of the previous times around, I
suppose - TFE could not be killed. It just couldn't be done. Oh, "we" won, I
guess. We locked it away somewhere.else. We bought ourselves time, and in
that time, a détente formed. The Council went about its business of killing
the vampire spawn on the local level, warding of minor Armageddon after
minor Armageddon. But all the while, the fear was in the background.
Someday, they'd have to face the root of all of it. Someday the first
vampire would return.
Enough time passed, I'm guessing, that people in the know started to believe
it wouldn't happen on their watch. Sure, it was something to worry about,
but for the next guy.
Well, Quentin got caught with his pants down. The minions of the first have
been traipsing about the countryside, weakening their forces, decimating
their ability to fight back.
This is quite literally war, but understand that this is a war to be fought
in our world, on our lands. The Council wasn't attacked to prevent them from
thwarting the release of the First Evil. That had already happened. This
was, distasteful as that seem to you, an act of terrorism enacted upon men.
Upon an infrastructure.
That last big explosion, hot on the heels of Quentin's determination to take
a fighting army to Southern California, was designed to disrupt our ability
to fight back, but not just on the level of spells and curses and magics,
but on a human level.
Now, I'm not going to pretend to know what happens next. Clearly we have a
number of questions that need answering and there is much we have yet to
see. The whole Council can't be gone, but I doubt they'll be much of a
factor from here on out. The blowing up of the HQ was a "Holy S" moment, no
doubt, and they certainly had a big part yet to play, but, best I can tell,
Giles is highest ranking member of the Council still alive.
Assuming he's still alive.
I'm also led to believe that Giles was important to this entire scenario.
Quentin seemed pretty eager to have Ripper located, and I doubt that it was
simply because the chosen one was checking up on him. Additionally, Giles
seemed to be on the case already when he showed up at the end of last week's
ep.
To paraphrase, Ripper might be our last hope.
The good news in all this is, at least, TFE is a vampire. It may be tough as
nails and posses powers we cannot possible conceive of, but Buffy is the
slayer. This is exactly what she was put on this earth to do, and nothing,
not even dying (twice), is going to keep her from this date with destiny. If
ever there were anyone's hands to put your lives in, these are the ones.
But first things first.we've got a war to fight, and I've got to find my
axe.
Happy hunting.
The Other Side of Tuesday. This was one of those episodes that started big
and just kept getting bigger. Every time I had a handle on what I believed
to be the biggest thing they could show me, Joss upped the ante. That means
a number of talking points went right out the window in quick succession.
Among them.
Did Principal Wood have any idea what he stumbled upon when he found
Jonathan's body in the basement? It is clear that he knew more about
Sunnydale and its history then he previously let on - and did you really
believe any different - but the full extent of his involvement remains to be
seen. I, for one, doubt he had anything to do with TFE, but it also isn't
outside the realm of possibility. Don't count out the fact that he might be
a good guy or even possible.wait for it.wait for it.a member of the Council.
Is it just me or is there no justice in this world if "the other guy" is the
last living member of the trio?
When Spike burst through the wall and bit the living crap of Andrew, Jack
Blair nonchalantly noted from his ever-present place on the couch, "big
deal.they can just wait until he turns into a vampire and then keep beating
the information out of him." Just thought I'd share that worldview with you.
"Her exact words were, 'it's coming out of both ends.'" Classic.
The Spike-Buffy love angle got pushed a little further. She believes in him
now. Which is nice, he's got that going for him. Of course, he's hanging
upside down and bleeding like a sieve in the basement of the high school. At
first I found it interesting that TFE would have such a fixation with all
the vampires with souls it came across, but, now that I give it further
thought, I'm not so sure there is anything to that. As far as personal
affronts go, I think TFE would take particular umbrage with one of its own
walking around with a soul all the time. Still, we'll have to keep our eyes
peeled for signs of what might be to come for Spike in all of this.
Shocking also that we'd have two simultaneous Armageddons in southern
California at one time - and neither would have anything to do with each
other.
Is this, like, the best season ever, or what?
To my way of looking at things, there hasn't been a single episode off the
big topics since the season started. Everything is just coming together so
well in that this is the end of the world as we know it mini-series
extravaganza sort of way. Storylines like this just don't happen on
television, and, let's be honest, this is exactly what we've been waiting
for from the beginning. Only those who have been with the show for years and
years can fully appreciate the absolute magnitude of these moments, and the
words fail me when I try to express my gratitude in the faith I have put
into watching this show.
Tonight, BtVS became the LOTR of television history.
--
Jolan Tru
Filippo "Hytok" Simone
Vice Oracolo Ufficiale di Sunnydale
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...Wow! :))))))))))))
Fantastica, grazie della segnalazione :)
Anya

ever there were anyone's hands to put your lives in, these are the ones.
ma i poteri della slayer non vengono anch'essi dal primo vampiro?
but slayer's power don't come from TFVampire?

"fabio milito pagliara" ha scritto nel messaggio
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Penso che ci sia il collegamento con "Beneath you" per questa
'dichiarazione', in particolare quello che dice Spike a Buffy in chiesa
"...And it... The other... The thing beneath... Beneath you... It's here
too."
...Cioč, per come l'ho capita io: Spike dice a Buffy che "sente" anche lui
la "cosa" che c'č "sotto" di lei, e cioč, questo potere oscuro originario,
dal quale poi si diramano sia il bene (Buffy) che il male (vabeh, vampiri e
quant'altro in generale). Il potere originario li comprenderebbe tutti e
due, e sia i demoni che la loro antitesi (la cacciatrice) lo hanno in sč.
Ecco forse a cosa si riferisce la frase "from beneath you it devours".
All'inizio pensavo che fosse inteso in un senso generale, cioč che ogni uomo
avesse in sč il germe della propria autodistruzione (cioč: credevo che fosse
questo il messaggio che si voleva far passare, cosa che poi ha anche
perfettamente senso), perň adesso dopo la visione dei vari episodi in
sequenza mi sa che vogliono circoscrivere la cosa a Vampiri vs. cacciatrice,
o almeno adesso questa č la mia impressione... Mah!
Ah, e naturalmente qs. tematica era giŕ stata affrontata in Buffy vs.
Dracula e anche in Restless...
L'unica cosa che non mi č chiarissima č "perchč" Spike lo sente solo ora:
forse perchč "a causa dell'anima" il potere in lui non č piů univoco ma č
diventato... dualistico??? Ommamma che dico?? ^__^ Spero si capisca il
delirio!! Cioč, Buffy ha sempre avuto l'anima e quindi i lei lato oscuro e
lato *non*, convivono; Spike finora era "male puro" e quindi in un certo
senso non in grado di discernere le due nature del potere originario, mentre
ora invece se ne accorge... Ecco, magari č questo.
Ciao,
Anya

 ma i poteri della slayer non vengono anch'essi dal primo vampiro?
No no, la prima Slayer e' stata creata per contrastare i vampiri, ma (almeno
finora) non sono stati dichiarati particolari legami con il Primo Vampiro,
che anzi, non credo fosse mai stato citato prima d'ora.
--
Laz
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
"From Beneath You, It Devours"

 Primo Vampiro, che anzi, non credo fosse mai stato citato prima d'ora.
Fu citato, quando Giles raccontņ com'erano nati i vampiri.
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Sisi, The Harvest, secondo ep. della prima stagione.
Due passaggi di Giles:
Giles:  This world is older than any of you know. Contrary to popular
mythology, it did not begin as a paradise. For untold eons demons walked
the Earth. They made it their home, their... their Hell. But in time
they lost their purchase on this reality. The way was made for mortal
animals, for, for man. All that remains of the old ones are vestiges,
certain magicks, certain creatures...
Buffy:  And vampires.
E poi, sempre Giles:
The books tell the last demon to leave this reality fed off a
human, mixed their blood. He was a human form possessed, infected by the
demon's soul. He bit another, and another, and so they walk the Earth,
feeding... Killing some, mixing their blood with others to make more of
their kind. Waiting for the animals to die out, and the old ones to
return.
Ciao
A.