Newsgroup: it.politica
Titolo: WHY?

Abdalla Ocalan who had been  away from Turkey since 1980
was arrested in Rome as soon as he stepped off an aircraft from
Russia, where he had been  seeking asylum after fleeing his hideout
 in Syria. 
---------------Questions need to be answered:------------
1) WHY is he seeking a political asylum NOW?--- why NOW?
    why after19 years of fleeing Turkey?
2) WHY did the Russian government refuse his application for asylum?
3) WHY did the Simitis government refuse his entry to Greece?
4) WHY did the Syrian government not allow him to remain in Syria    
    where he was living for the last 19 years?
5) WHY doesn't he go to "Kurdistan" (Northern Iraq) if he claims that
    he is the national leader of the Kurds??
---and----
5) WHY SHOULD THE ITALIAN GOVERNMENT GRANT HIM
    POLITICAL  ASYLUM ??   


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    POLITICAL  ASYLUM ??
Because if, against the italian law, he has the right to obtain the
political asylum we must grant it to him. And anyway it is forbidden by the
law to allow the estradition to a country when the offender is liable, for
his offence, of a death penalty
Bye
Corrado

Turkey has not executed any one for the last 15 years so it can not be
considered a country that exutes death penalty. Regarding the Italian Gov.
Policy I found Italy protecting the murderer and in its consequence sharing all
crimes done by Ocalan including killing of innocent Children and civilaians.
The number of people Ocalan has killed is about 37000. So it is a pitty for a
central European Country to protect and share this crimes. You can name it any
thing you want as Italian Prime Minister was afraid to say Ocalan is a
terrorist. There are even news that Italy invited Ocalan from Moscow and it is
hard to understand why Italy is protecting such a serial killer.
Nevit
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 Kurds?
  This is also another big lie of PKK propagandists in Turkey we have a 200
Kurdish parliementer and no only parliementer but also our previous president
(ex prime minister) Turgut Özal was also Kurdish.
Leave your prejudices about Turks we do not tell lie. If you do not believe  us
look at Interpol clusters/files they are not Turk.You will see that the source
of  % 40 percent of European drug is PKK.
"Today" they harm another child.
You do not know what you are holding in your hands.

     POLITICAL  ASYLUM ??
The more important reason is that in Italy we achieved a civilitazione
level wich is denoted principally from the absence of DEATH ROW from
more than 100 (hundred) years and we cannot accept the idea to send a
person to die in your uncivilizated nation.
You are collating various nation that make all use of death row.
Why you don't ask us about the possibilities you have to got this in
France, in German, in UK that are more civlized nation like italy ?
The turkish law is a law good for murderer people that wanna see blood
to have justice.
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 there is any kind of a communist party?
... insomma ... hanno avuto solo un piccolo 30% alle ultime elezioni e
adesso hano pure i ministri.
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Do you think your government have not any guilt with kurdish people ?
Do you wanna say me that the turkish soldier have not murdered a lot of
kurdish people ?
Do you wanna say me that turkish law, anda generally the death panality,
is not a law good for murderer people that wanna see blood to have
justice ?
Do you think that Germany, France, UK, Irelanda, Norwegen and all the
civilizated europe should have made diferetenly from Italy (I write very
bad english:() ?
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 Racist Terrör Organization PKK is not communist it is a big lie, 
... and why his name (PKK) still contains the word "COMMUNIST" if they
are not communist ?
Al the european communist party that have renounced to the communist
ideology have also changed the name and they have no more the word
COMMUNIST containaed in the spelling of its initials.
I think they are still really Communist, but you lokk them just like
your enemies.
Why the Kurdish people cannot speak their language ?
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You are just one step closer to the baby killers.
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person to die in your uncivilizated nation.
Adamo, questa e' una cazzata, spero che tu lo sappia. La pena di morte e'
stata abolita dal codice penale militare di guerra non piu' di dieci anni fa
(e dico dieci per essere sicuro, piu' probabilmente sono meno di cinque). Il
fatto che la legge fosse di fatto inapplicata da 45 anni perche' l' Italia
non e' mai andata piu' in guerra dalla seconda guerra mondiale, non mi pare
ci rendesse molto meglio di un paese che non la utilizza da 16 anni, non ti
pare?
Per cortesia finiamola con queste patenti di civilta': per quel che mi
riguarda l' Italia non ha poi molto da insegnare a nessuno...
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 riguarda l' Italia non ha poi molto da insegnare a nessuno...
<Per fortuna (o purtroppo) non ha neanche poi molto da imparare dagli altri
<(ad esempio la Germania che tanto si batte - talvolta pi dell'Italia -
<contro la pena di morte nel mondo, nel codice militare continua a
<conservarla).
Mi riferivo a molte altre cose che conosciamo tutti, il fatto che abbiamo
abolito la pena di morte non ci ha certo reso molto piu' "civili" di altri.
Francesco

"io vengo da un paese civile e tu no".
Giustissimo
Pensiamo, ad esempio, ai millenni medi necessari per avere giustizia in
Italia, alla qualita' di molti pubblici (dis)servizi, alla corruzione
endemica, agli sprechi, alle cattedrali nel deserto, al livello medio dell'
educazione civica in Italia, insomma. Pensiamoci bene, perche' cio'
contribuisce giorno per giorno a creare l'atmosfera di un paese. Credo che
dovremmo cercare di avere una visione un po' piu' calibrata e meno pomposa
od arrogante. Certo non quella di erigerci a giudici di quale popolo sia
civile e quale no.
Insomma, come al solito, Giovannoni ha fatto centro!

 Why the Kurdish people cannot speak their language ?
Can't they?  Believe or not, they can speak it. And, they could speak it even
before PKK was established. The period in which speaking Kurdish was forbidden is
the
military government period during which all the peoples of Turkey (including the
Turks) suffered from lack of human rights.
By the way, do the words 'Albanian', 'refugee', 'ship' and 'sink' ring a bell in
your memories?
Levent

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 Why the Kurdish people cannot speak their language ?
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 to have justice.
At least one of the above paragraphs is obviously wrong. "The Turkish Law"
 you mention ( the penalization law which includes death penalty, etc.) was
carbon copied from Italian penalization law in 1930:s. It was so harsh that
Turkey even removed some of the clauses in it.
Do you think that your nation (as many other nations of the civilized
Europe)
became 'civilized' in 50 years? Is it so easy?
Levent

 Francesco
Ciao,
	Michele


You damn son of a bitch !!! Italian people has nothing to share with that
disgrace that happened in the Adriatic sea. You must remember tha on a ship,
during sailing, the captain of the sip is the only person responsible of any
order given . Ther is no doubt that it was a disgrace given by some adverse
facts that happened in the same time. The italian government was not
responsible for what happened nor the italian people. What about instead the
gas used by the Iraqis against trhe Kurds?. Did turkey ever complain or help
the kurd. Look Give yourself a favour FUCK out of here. Thanks
Ciao
Corrado

the kurd. Look Give yourself a favour FUCK out of here. Thanks
Did Italy ever complain or help the Jews when Germans gassed the Jews (in
the order of millions)??? Thanks.
P.S. During Gulf War, Turkey provided safe haven for hundreds of thousands
of Kurds who were fleeing from Saddam Hussein's wrath. At that time, many
European countries provided insults to Turkey (accusing us of bad
treatment) instead of providing humanitarian aid. Turkey was caught
off-guard by an inflow of hundreds of thousands of refugees and tried to
do her best while a little over than a thousand Kurds on the shores of
Italy caused nothing less than a logistical nightmare for the Italians.
Get your facts straight!
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Doctoral Pre-Candidate in Marketing
University of Michigan Business School
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

 wrote:
: Because they can not spell terrorist. Do communist parties in your
: country kill babies and civilians? Do any Communist Party  leader in
: your country belong to Interpol red bulletin?
More Turkish propaganda! First off, Turks have claimed that since 1984,
37,000 people (total) have died in SouthEast Anatolia (Kurdistan). And
throughout the 14 year struggle, we always read (TURKISH) reports about
how many Kurds were killed by Turkish forces (so more PKK soldiers dead
rather than Turkish soldiers). TODAY, Turks are making the claim that
Ocalan (!) killed or is responsible for the death of those 37,000 people
(which you propagandize as being "women and children").
As far as Ocalan seeking political asylum, think about this. He was forced
to leave Turkey in 1980 after a military junta came to power (and trying
"turkfying" everything). Since that time (and well prior - which is why he
was forced to flee) he has struggled for Kurdish human rights in Turkey.
He did not start an armed struggle until 4 years LATER in 1984. 
And if anyone DARES to label him a terrorist, they better do the same (and
WORSE) to ARAFAT (who has a Nobel PEACE prize). 
:> Why the Kurdish people cannot speak their language ?
:
: Oh man don't joke. Where do you get this lies from? Those lies are for
: those who never traveled to Turkey.
More lies from the Turks. Questions you should answer.
How many elementary schools teach Kurdish?
How many Universities offer courses in Kurdish?
Offically, why are Kurds referred to as "mountainous Turks"?
How many Kurds were ethnically cleansed from SE Anatolia?
How many Kurdish villages were destroyed?
How many counts of human rights violations exist against Turkey (and her
    treatment of minorities)?
What is Kemalism's view on Pan-turkism and the existance of minorities?
How many juntas have come to power in the past few decades (60's, 70's,
    80's)?
What is the role of the Turkish military in your "republic"?
When you answer these, I've got a million more for you.
: You are just one step closer to the baby killers.
Wow... such a cool propagandist term as "baby killer"! From whom other
than a... Turk!
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 raised by Italian press hate propaganda.
And one small addition to the answer: Italy abolished death sentence in 1994,
not 1894 (As had been explained in Italian).
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 Why the Kurdish people cannot speak their language ?
--We are not allowed to teach our language in schools, as I said, Turkey 
wants to turn the Kurds into Turks, by force and by mandatory policies.
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 you like to comment about the civilized USA?
Most left-wings italian people define USA as the MOST
barbaric country in the western world. If you look
at soc.culture.italian archive you will find that one
of the most recurrent topics (and flame-wars...) is
exactly the comparision between USA and Italy in terms
of civilization. The first argument against USA are
the common availability of guns, the institution of
death penalty, the lack of national health system.
There is much more coherence in the left-wing government
for the harboring of Olacan then what you can even imagine.
You guys are excused just because you are not italians,
therefore you are not supposed to know all aspects of 
italian politics and culture. Ignorance should not be a
justification, but knowing the strong feeling Apo's asylum
raises it can be understood. Still, that does not make you
right. Sorry.
Ciao,
	Michele

 anno fa).
Sono sostanzialmente d'accordo con te con due chiose: malgrado quello che penso
io, ed evidentemente anche tu, la Turchia è da sempre considerata un potenza
europea perchè, avendo avuto fino al secolo scorso, grandi territori in europa
partecipava attivamente alla vita diplomatica del continente. Nella seconda
metà del secolo scorso era soprannominata "la grande malata d'europa", frase
che da una parte ne certificava la decadenza politica, ma dall'altra la sua
"europeità" se mi consenti questo neologismo.
Sul piano dei diritti civili la Turchia ha fatto indubitabili progressi e non è
oggi il peggior paese del mediterraneo, anzi è migliore di un altro considerato
un baluardo della democrazia per ragioni che nulla hanno a che fare con i
diritti civili. Con cio' do anche ragioni a Giovannoni che si chiedeva con
quale diritto vengono espressi giudizi morali. Anzi alla Turchia va dato atto
di essere un paese impegnato in una profonda trasformazione civile e
miglioramento del suo codice penale, pur tra le mille difficoltà della sua
situazione politica interna e malgrado un'opinione pubblica che al di fuori
delle grandi città è notevolmente arretrata.
Ciao Franco (Lusemburgo)


hey,
an other answer from an other country. In Brussels the day before yesterday
there was a fierce battle between some 300 Turkish and Kurdish people. Two
houses were burnt. Thus this have to go as for that people in other countries
are in danger when a Kurd approaches a Turk or vice versa ??
Bye.
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 I remember correctly), 
You don't. :-)
The prisoner you mention is a guy called Pietro Venezia. Silvia
Baraldini, on the contrary, is a prisoner in the U.S., and Italy
is asking to transfer her to Italy in accordance with the
Strasbourg Covention.
 Regards,
     Saverio
WARNING: To send me e-mail, remove "maggio." from the address.

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 just Turkey. Happy now?
You are wrong .. I think you're referring to Pietro Venezia' s case, when he was
in Florida he killed a Gov. Tax officer and then escaped back in Italy
Italy, despite te US requests, didnt allow the extradition in USA
Crunch


On the contrary, Turkey was to adopt the position very close to Iraq by refusing
to acknowledge that gas attack had been used against the Kurds. Turkish doctors
who examined refugees concluded that they were suffering from recognized
illnesses and not from exposure to gases. In September 1988, the Iraqi and
Turkish governments simultaneously rejected a proposal made by Perez de Ceullar,
the secretary General of the UN, to send a team of experts to the two countries.
Hanife

 Crunch
Ciao,
	Michele

 diritti civili.
Franco,
a quale paese ti riferisci? Ti spiacerebbe dettagliare? Sono curioso.
Ciao.
--
Stefano Soro,
Bruxelles
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 Bruxelles
Saluti,
Mauro.
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The behavior of turkish people and institutions against Italy is a clear
sign of the deficiency of democracy and culture of law.
Thatz 2 good reasons to not give Ocalan to u....only to be lynched

not 1894 (As had been explained in Italian).
you have to learn italian better!!!!
~ KreO ~

never traveled to Turkey.
i've travelled in turkey and i've seen kurdish people that can't
say -i'm kurdish- and old kurdish people that they didn't can to
learn their language to their sons. why?
~ KreO ~

if you travel east part of Turkiye, you will even listen Kurdish songs.(even
in istanbul)
as i figure out you did not travel Turkiye...

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You don't know the first thing about people & culture if you judge a
nation based on the Ocalan capture.
How would you like it if the italian mafia Magnified 20 times in their
violence decided to seperate Sicily & Southern Italy from the unified
nation? And then after years upon end causing destruction and death run to
another country and say, "HEY! I'm ready to talk to you guys as a
politician" when in reality he knows that all the murder he has created
has finally caught up with him and will not live long. 
Let me tell you something for certain. If Ocalan is not punished in this
life, he CERTAINLY will be in the later life. And harboring such a butcher
with no sensitivity to the Turkish & Kurdish innocent that have died due
to his barbarity will not weigh well on the Italian supporter either.
Think deep & hard, at what you are saying next time... it is shameful
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One day, a killer in Italy will speak to press:
" I will not kill anymore, let me free"
And he will be free, in Italy.
Because this is "democracy".
Sure ?
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Well, ok, I did not follow the case. But this still prove the point
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Well, no surprise ! What else can be expected from a fascist NAZI supporter ? 
You haven't been following your own history for a long long time. 
Lets see, can you name the prime minister a CIVILIZED country who was found 
shot to death in a trunk of a car  ? 
OR, for that matter a CIVILIZED country who gives refuge to a TERRORIST who is 
refused by all EU countries (except one of course) ?
Again, what were the Venicians doing when Gestapo was hunting down JEWS, and 
then coming to friendly Venice to have a good time after their massacres? (Lap 
dancing ?)
No wonder Venice is sinking, it can not carry the filth of the racist/fascist  
people like Michele....
I challenge you answer these questions you litle fascist/racist creature. 
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geographic map, to start with.
In this case, I remind you of the post-WWI Anatolia. Remember WWI, Italy 
started on one side and ended on the other ( not unexpected from Italians ). 
Himm, Italian forces were ran out of Anatolia by a bunch of Anatolian 
peasants. Come again, if you dare .
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Thatz 2 good reasons to not give Ocalan to u....only to be lynched
 
I remind you long-tailed CIVILIZED monkeys of your own history;
Mussolini ( how was he killed ?)

 Come again, if you dare .
you are just a nameless waste of time.

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So why do you waste time with me ? Can't you just go lick more NAZI boots and 
free genocidal maniacs such as Erik Priebke ?
OR, maybe torture and rape Somalians ? Better off , kill your own prime 
minister and stuff to the trunk of your car ? Smuggle drugs, rob tourists  
(favorite Italian past time, I might add) ? Give refuge to terrorists who is 
refused by every EU member, newest fad !
Ciao

 Why the Kurdish people cannot speak their language ?
It is another lie, they can speak their own language .They act in the way of
Machievvalenism , in Europe they are communist in Turkey Eastern Anatolia they
are fundamentalist (even Apo declared it self as a Messiah/Prophet), but
actually they are just criminals.
Thanx for your questions
Bye:-)
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 Why the Kurdish people cannot speak their language ?
It is another lie, Kurds can speak their own language in Turkey .These
terrorists act in the way of  Machievvalenism , in Europe they are communist
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Ok tell me what will happen if Karadzic , Ratko Mladic, and other baby
butchers immigrate to Italy and Bosnia want them to back in order to kill
them?
Do you think that if you do not extradite them it will be good exmaple for
perfect democracy ? And if your culture of law protect the Hitler and Saddam
what will happen ? What about Justice ? We have a culture of justice.
And lastly if your government did not invite this murderer to your country
will there be any problem between you and us ?
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I would like to read MaximoG's opinion on why Italy let the hijackers of the
cruise liner Achille Lauro go free.  Is this the Italian law that you are so
proud of?  If it is then this is one good reason why you should be taught some
lessons.  The Italian People and their institutions, if I were you I would keep,
well,.... very silent!
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Italy and Italians who are in your thoughts showed us that you are not
civilized.
First, you do not have any ideas but you speak a lot and act as just you are
right.
Do you know since 20 years no body is killed because of justice punished
them with death. Any guilty who takes this punish gets out of prison at most
20 years later because of good behaviours, reductions in the penalty, etc.
Second, you do not punish the killer of 27 thousand people. This is not a
simple crime. Not a theft. At least 150 thousand people affected directly
from the crimes of PKK and Abdullah Ocalan. PKK not only killed Turks, but
killed innocent Kurds who do not thinks as them. Children, old people, women
even babies. I forgot teachers, nurses, workers etc. This is a GUILT AGAINST
HUMINITY.
You Italians perhaps write not to like Turks. But YOU ARE ALSO GUILTY TO
PROTECT A KILLER OF MANKIND.
Third, you sold PKK weapons and babies, children, women, old people,
teachers, nurses, workers, innocents were killed and injured and even left
phisacally disabled WITH YOUR WEAPONS. Your civilization is standing on
innocents' dead bodies.
Four, your eyes are blind and your hearts are closed.
Five, Juventus and Italians are "timidi" . I mean you are afraid of your
fantasies you create on your simple brains. How can an unwanted event happen
where 20 thousand police thats place around and in a stadium 0f 30 thousand
people. Oh guys, you are really very very comic.
Last words for you, live with your fears, live with your simple thoughts.
I seethat, unless you meet the blood and pain of innocents in your country
you will not open your eyes to truths.
We are not uncivilized, we are not rude and dangerous.
Question to you civilized Italian:
1) In which country first the women had the right to vote and to be voted.
Answer is Turkey and in The Republic of Turkey of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
2) In which country the children had a national festival first in the world.
I' m sorry for your civilization but the answer is again in Turkey.
This question will make you happy. Simple..
3) In which civilized country did Mussolini live?  ITALY
go and sleep in comfort in your bed at night...

 people like Michele....
You must really be out of your mind. As usual, nationalists all over the world are the same: they
confuse history with propaganda - in a while, you'll say that Auschwitz was in Italy, or that
Hitler was Italian (before you start: Auschwitz was in Poland and Hitler was from Austria).
If you had given at least a cursory read at your history books when you were in your sorry excuse
for a school, you'd know that Venice, of all Italian cities, has *always* defended Jews, since the
Inquisition.
Bye
Eugenio

Inquisition.
Come on, Turkish people never bowed or served to the NAZIs, it was you 
ITALIANS who SERVED NAZIS. Do you deny your HISTORY ? 
I remind you 1492 when SPanish extradited Separdim Jews, where did they find 
refuge in Italy or Ottoman Empire ? BTW, did you visit the Holocaust Museum in 
Isreal, if you do, you might see pictures of NAZI servant Italians in front of 
railcars sending Italian jews to NAZIs. 
READ this you idiot from " 
http://www.doge.it/ghetto/storia2i.htm
" ;
" In 1797 Napoleon decreed the end of the segregation and Jews were recognized 
equal rights.
After several restrictions under the Austrian rule, equality was made 
definitive when Venice
became part of the Kingdom of Italy, as a memorial stone placed in the center 
of the Ghetto
Novo testifies. On the opposite side of the square, under a symbolic line of 
barbed wire, the
City of Venice has placed seven bas-relief plaques by the sculptor Arbit 
Blatas who donated
them. They depict and commemorate the tragedy of the deportation of the 
European Jews to
the concentration camps. Next to the memorial is the Jewish rest home (built 
in 1890) from
where a sad procession of Venetian Jews left for the camps during the years of 
nazi-fascist
persecution. In their memory, on the adjacent wall of the Ghetto, a new 
monument by Arbit
Blatas records their names and ages. "
Now, go continue to lick more NAZI and PKK boots ! 

 Eugenio

 > Eugenio

 Fascist party is outlawed. But then, it's utterly useless to explain this kind of thing to nationalists.
So, well. I`m learning in this discussions something new for me.
But you insist not even to consider the arguments of others.
Is this a "discussion" anymore ?

 Fascist party is outlawed. But then, it's utterly useless to explain this kind of thing to nationalists.
So tell me the aim of Fascism is not it imperialism , why your communists acts like imperialists and wanna
hostility between the people of Turkey and the people of Italy , and between the Turk and Kurds ??
You are saying people must know history but your communists even do not know anything about today ! Can not
you see just 3000 Kurd came Italy for this murderer even last five months 38.000 Kurds immigrated to
Italy:-) ? Just 3000 out of 38.000 and most of them came from another European countries :-)
Ciao:-)

 Is this a "discussion" anymore ?
Well I'd say it's a fault of both sides.
What you seem to refuse to consider is that we have *laws* that require that *nobody*, whatever his crimes,
can be extradited to a country where those *suspected* crimes could lead to a death sentence. Period. If you
add to this the fact that most people, and indeed, some judges, are not fully convinced by the accusations
made against Ocalan, because, as I already said, if Ocalan is probably a terrorist, the Turkish government has
its own record of faults, you'll have a very difficult situation.
And please, remember that whatever international treaties we may have signed, they *cannot* overthrow our
national law, which requires our judges *not* to extradite Ocalan to Turkey.
Greetings
Eugenio

Remember that one of the best Turk ever born Ataturk Kemal killed
1.900.000 of Kurds on a population of 2 million!
There wasn't Norimberga's Court that days, what a pity...
Ernesto

1.900.000 Kurds were killed ?
Do you belive that what you write ?
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 Eugenio
Greeting Augenio,

Ernesto
You are flying high my friend ! If you have some brains to prove, just bring 
an evidence of this ! Otherwise, you are just another clown dancing on the 
keyboard !

 people to countries....
I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch this last phrase...
Greetings
Eugenio

    treatment of minorities)?
Well..i wanna ask that.... why doesn't kurd people in Turkey won't  give
their vote to Hadep which is known as a kurd party saving kurd rights? Why??
Figen

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 Figen
Figen hanim
bugunlerde size takilayim'
siz Yakup Kadri Karaosmanoglu nu duymusunuzdur.
zahmet olmazsa bir de onun "yaban" romanini bir okuyuverin.
Turk edebiyatidir, bir ulus boyle sct de saga sola bilmis sorular
sorarak savunulmaz sadece. Ustelik YKKaraosmanoglu Ataturkun ideolojik
catisini bugunlere tasiyan kadro harakatinin bir uyesi, yani pkk
sempatizani-piyon felan degil. Yaban i okuduktan sonra sorun kendi
kendinize "bu herif bana bu kitabi niye onerdi" diye. Sizde akil ve
muhakkeme var nasilolsa, bu soruya cevap bulursunuz- ama hayir bir turlu
bulamiyorsaniz gelin sct de acik soru sorun- atalariniz ne demis akil
akildan ustundur / demis. bulunur bir cevap veren.
sonra ikinci kitap olarak gene kadro grubunun dev ideologu Sevket
Surreyenain Suyu arayan adam / adli kitabini okuyun- hayir ben onlari
okudum demeyin, sizin yukarida sordugunuz soru o kitaplari
okumadiginizin gostergesi ( siz o kitaplari  okumus olsaydiniz, var olan
akil ve muhakeme muhimmatinizla kolaylikla cikarilacak basit bir sonuca
-gercege ulasmis  olacaktiniz. oysa sordugunuz soru bunu gostermiyor, o
halde akil ve muhakame var ! demek kitaplar okunmamis- gibi bir varsayim
kendiliginden ortaya cikiyor). ondan sonra hadep in aldigi oylar ve
kosullar ile billite tekrar bir akil ve muhakeme ye basvuru
yapacaksiniz- noter tasdigi gerekmez. sonra gelin ben bir goreyim.
hadi simdi gidin, eylenin. eksik bilgiyle soru sorup ne yapacaksiniz, 
turkiya yi siz mi kurtaracaksiniz? felan filan.


 Turkish Republic has enacted the greatest act of oppression in its history with
the  destruction of these 3000 villages with three million people forced to
flee, hundreds of thousands of others arrested and tens of thousands imprisoned
before the election.      Despite all this, an election was carried out in the
shadow of the gun. In Diyarbakir, soldiers and police excluded, the local people
gave voice to their preferences. Although HADEP (the People's Democracy party)
had not had much time to prepare they took 47% of the vote due to the PKK's
support base. This occurred even though only one in three people in Diyarbakir
were registered and thus able to go to the ballot box. Two out of three remained
unregistered having been forcibly expelled from their villages. The      results
demonstrated that close to half of those eligible to vote did so for HADEP in
the heart of Kurdistan. This has illustrated the Kurdish people's choice' in a
way that is clear for all to see.
However, in Turkey there is a constitutional system in force which meant HADEP
did not reach the 10%  threshold of the total vote. While on the one hand
government spokesmen claim that "HADEP is a Kurdish party", on the other hand
they said, "HADEP did not even reach the 10% threshold!". Firstly, it is not
possible for a Kurdish party to reach the 10% threshold as the Kurds make up
less than one in three, or less than one in four, of the total population, and
secondly, two thirds of them were forced to flee from their homes. Thirdly, the
voting process was carried out in the shadow of the gun. This was a   state of
emergency election. Even so, in sonic regions, HADEP still took 50% of the vote,
e.g. in Hakkari where they achieved 54%.
The two-faced character of the Turkish Government is only too clear when they
say, "See how little of the vote HADEP won". It also shows how inadequate the
constitution is in itself, and it proves to ordinary people how far beyond the
scope of that constitution they have fallen because under normal circumstances,
the 25 candidates who were elected from Kurdistan would have become  MPs had
there not been this threshold.
Hanife