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Titolo: Aggiornamento Affluenza

Attuale ..20,2%
2001..... 25,1%
Spread..4.9%
Considerando che nel 2001 si votava solo di Domenica....
Fate voi. 

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Speriamo si raggiunga almeno l' 85% con domani, cosě gli estremisti di sinistra terroristi noglobal
come Hamas non vinceranno.

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e comunisti mangiatori di bambini? possibile si debba essere cosě
imprecisi? per forza poi la sinistra domina i media
saluti
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http://www.abortiontv.com/Glitch/AbortedBabiesSoldAsHealthFood.htm
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The following is the text of an article which originally appeared in the Hong Kong Eastern Express
on April 12, 1995. For more information, contact Bruce Gilley at The Eastern Express in Hong Kong,
telephone 
011-852-27071111
, or fax 
011-852-27071122
.
No one could accuse The Chinese of being squeamish about the things they eat - monkeys' brains,
owls' eyes, bears' paws and deep fried scorpions are all items on The menu. But most dishes revered
as national favorites sound as harmless as boiled rice when compared to the latest pint de jour
allegedly gaining favor in Shenzhen - human fetus. 
Rumors that dead embryos were being used as dietary supplements started to spread early last year
with reports that some doctors in Shenzhen hospitals were eating dead fetuses after carrying out
abortions. The doctors allegedly defended their actions by saying the embryos were good for their
skin and general health. 
A trend was set and soon reports circulated that doctors in the city were promoting fetuses as a
human tonic. Hospital cleaning women were seen fighting each other to take the treasured human
remains home. Last month, reporters from EastWeek - a sister publication of Eastern Express - went
to Shenzhen to see if the rumors could be substantiated. On March 7, a reporter entered the
state-run Shenzhen Heath Center for Women and Children feigning illness and asked a female doctor
for a fetus. The doctor said the department was out of stock but to come again. 
The next day the reporter returned at lunch time. The doctor eventually emerged from the operating
theatre holding a fist size glass bottle stuffed with thumbsized fetuses. 
She said: "There are 10 fetuses here, all aborted this morning. You can take them. We are a state
hospital and don't charge anything. 
"Normally, we doctors take them home to eat - all free. Since you don't look well, you can take
them." 
Not every state hospital is as generous with its dead embryos as the Health Center for Women and
Children. At the Shenzhen People's Hospital, for example, the reporter was in for a surprise. 
When a Ms. Yang, the head nurse, was asked for fetuses, she looked anxious and asked other staff to
leave. After closing the door, she asked the undercover buyer in a low voice: "Where did you (get
to) know that we sell fetuses?" 
The reporter answered: "A doctor friend in Hong Kong told me." 
"Who? What is his/her name?" 
The reporter was not prepared for this line of questioning and could not come up with a name. Yang
told him that fetuses were only for sale within the hospital, and were not for public purchase. She
added that some staff would, however, sell the fetuses on to Hong Kong buyers. 
The reporter learned that the going rate for a fetus was $10 but when the merchandise was in short
supply, the price could go up to $20. But these prices are pin money compared to those set by
private clinics, which are said to make a fortune selling fetuses. One chap on Bong Men Lao Street
charges $300 for one fetus. The person in charge of the clinic is a man in his 60's. When he saw the
ailing reporter, he offered to take an order for fetuses that had reached full-term and which, it is
claimed, contain the best healing properties. When a female doctor named Yang - no relation - of Sin
Hua clinic was asked whether fetuses were edible, she said emphatically: "Of course they are. They
are even better than placentas. 
"They can make your skin smoother, your body stronger and are good for kidneys. When I was in an
army hospital in Jiangti province, I often brought fetuses home. They were pink, like little mice,
with hands and feet. Normally, I buy some pork to make soup (with the fetuses added). I know they
are human beings, and (eating them) feels disgusting. But at that time, it was already very
popular." 
A Mr. Cheng from Hong Kong claims he has been eating fetus soup for more than six months. To begin,
the man, in his 40's, would make the trip to Shenzhen frequently for business and was introduced to
fetuses by friends. He says he met a number of professors and doctors in government hospitals who
helped him buy the fetuses. "At first, I felt uncomfortable, but doctors said the substances in
fetuses could help cure my asthma. I started taking them and gradually, the asthma disappeared,"
Cheng said. 
Now, Cheng only eats fetuses occasionally to top up his treatment, but there was a time when he made
regular cross border trips with the gruesome merchandise. "Everytime [I made the trip], I carried a
Thermos flask to Shenzhen and brought the fetuses back to Hong Kong to make soup. If they gave me 20
or 30 at a time, I put them in the refrigerator. I didn't have the soup every day - it depended on
the supply. 
"Usually, I washed the fetuses clean, and added ginger, orange peel and pork to make soup. After
taking it for a while, I felt a lot better and my asthma disappeared. I used to take placenta, but
it was not so helpful." When asked if he was concerned about the fetuses containing diseases, Cheng
was dismissive. "I bought them from government hospitals. They would check the pregnant women before
doing the operations and only sell them to me if there was no problem. Also, I always boil them over
high heat which kills any bacteria." Although Cheng has overcome any squeamishness over eating fetus
soup, he says he draw the line at consuming whole dead embryos. He also refrains from telling people
of his grisly dietary habits. 
Zou Qin, 32, a woman from Hubei with the fine skin of a someone several years younger, attributes
her well preserved looks to a diet of fetuses. As a doctor at the Lun Hu Clinic, Zou has carried out
abortions on several hundred patients. She believes fetuses are highly nutritious and claims to have
eaten more than 100 in the past six months. She pulls out a fetus specimen before a reporter and
explains the selection criteria. "People normally prefer (fetuses of) young women, and even better,
the first baby and a male." She adds: "They are wasted if we don't eat them. The women who receive
abortions here don't want the fetuses. Also, the fetuses are already dead [when we eat them]. We
don't carry out abortions just to eat the fetuses. 
"Before, my sister's children were very weak. I heard that fetuses were good for your health and
started taking some to my nephews," Zou says, without remorse. "I wash them with clear water until
they look transparent white and then stew them. Making soup is best." But she admits there are
drawbacks to this dubious delicacy. "Fetuses are very smelly and not everybody can take the stink,"
she said. "You can also make meat cakes by mixing fetuses with minced meat but you have to add more
ginger and chives to get rid of the smell." 
Hong Kong legislator Dr. Tan Siu-tong is surprised that it could be within anyone's capability to
overcome the stench of a dead fetus, even if their stomachs are lined with lead. "When all the
placental tissue is dead, the smell is awful and is enough to make you feel sick. It is like having
a dead mouse in the house," he said. 
The fetuses allegedly eaten by the Chinese are all provided by China's extensive abortion services.
Last year, doctors in the People's Hospital - the biggest hospital in Shenzhen - carried out more
than 7,000 terminations, 509 on Hong Kong women. The Hong Kong Family Planning Association (FPA)
estimates that 24 per cent of all abortions on Hong Kong women are performed in the dubious
surroundings of a Chinese hospital. A Ms. Li from Hong Kong has had two abortions in Shenzhen but
has never heard of people eating fetuses. "But I didn't want the babies, so after the abortions, I
just left them with the hospital," she says. "I didn't want to look at them, and I certainly didn't
want to keep them. Fetuses of two or three months are just water and blood when they come out. They
are so small, how can you eat them?" 
Doctors in the territory have responded with disgust and incredulity to stories of people
supplementing their diets with fetuses. Many have read articles of fetal cannibalism but none has
been able to verify the reports. They are treating the issue with skepticism. Dr. Margaret Kwan, a
gynecologist who until two weeks ago held the post of chief executive at the FPA, says: "This is the
strangest thing I have ever heard coming out of China. I just hope it is not true." 
Dr. Warren Lee, president of the Hong Kong Nutrition Association, is aware of the unsavory rumors.
"Eating fetuses is a kind of traditional Chinese medicine and is deeply founded in Chinese folklore.
In terms of nutrition, a fetus would be a good source of protein and fats, and there are minerals in
bone. But I don't know if eating fetuses is just folklore or more than that," he says. According to
Lee, it is conceivable that fetuses are rich in certain hormones that are beneficial to the adult
human body, but should this be the case, the fetal matter would have to be converted into an
indictable form for best results, as most hormones including the hormone for diabetes, insulin - are
broken down in the digestive system before they have a chance to be absorbed by the body. 
But Lee suggests that anyone who eats a fetus would be seeking a remedy that is far more elusive
than a hormone or mineral. "Some people may think there is also an unidentified substance or
chemical that has healing powers, but there is no evidence that this is true." Lee urges people to
be wary - "There are people out there who just want to make money and they will come up with all
sorts of formulas or substances, which, they say will cure diseases." 
As a child, Patrick Yau was fed on human placentas by his mother who worked at a local hospital, but
in his current position as a psychologist with the Social Welfare Department he is both repulsed and
shocked by the notion of eating fetuses. "As a Catholic, I object to abortions because I believe the
fetus is a human life, and I certainly object to eating a dead baby after it has been aborted," he
says. Yau concedes that in China, where the one child policy has turned abortions into an acceptable
remedy to an unfortunate human blunder, people may have adopted a new outlook on life before birth,
such that embryos are stripped of their status as human beings. 
But Tang fails to understand how anyone anywhere can convince themselves "that they are just eating
an organism when they are actually eating a dead body". "It may not be a formed human being, but
when they think about it most people would think: 'Ugh! No, I can't eat that.' I don't think
civilized people with an education could do that sort of thing." 
Dr. Wong, a Hong Kong doctor who practices Western medicine, thinks only the ignorant would eat
human fetuses. He explains that fetuses contain mucoploysaccharide, which is beneficial to the
metabolism, but states that it can be found in a lot of other food - Chinese doctor Chu Ho-Ting
agrees that there is no place for fetuses in medicine, and suggests that it might even be unhealthy
if the pregnant woman was infected by disease. 
"Most bacteria can be killed under 100 degree heat but some require 400 degrees. Some people believe
eating fetuses can strengthen the immunity of the human body against diseases, but this is wrong.
Although fetuses contain protein, they are not as nutritious as placenta, which contains different
kinds of nutrients. But even placenta has to be taken with other Chinese herbs."
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http://poetry.rotten.com/infantiphagia/taboo1.html
http://poetry.rotten.com/infantiphagia/taboo2.html
The Final Taboo 
rotten.com
 
What is probably said most frequently about us is, "
rotten.com
 is pretty awful, but at least they
don't have pictures of people eating babies". Well, if you are easily alarmed, you probably don't
want to see these two pictures from our anonymous Asian correspondent. 
Just as with humans, infanticide is common in the animal kingdom, but it is often followed by
infantiphagia, the eating of babies. Incidents of chimpanzees, one of mankind's closest relatives,
consuming their young are well documented. Good eating is, after all, good eating. 
#1 
#2 
These photos were sent to us anonymously. It is difficult to determine where they were taken -- Hong
Kong or Japan -- or whether crimes were committed in the process. It is difficult to imagine the act
pictured being legal in any jurisdiction. 
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http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa080601a.htm
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Urban Legends and Folklore 
Do They Eat Babies in China? 
From the Mailbag
Dear Guide: 
I received an email last week which was quite disturbing and, to say the least, disgusting. It is
about dead babies that can be bought from hospitals in Taiwan for $70 to meet the high demand for
grilled and barbequed babies! 
I am sure this must be a hoax, although the message comes with an attached slide show, showing how
the baby is prepared, cooked and eaten. 
Could you please investigate? 
Dear Reader: 
I think we can safely say that the Chinese as a people do not routinely eat babies or fetuses; nor
do Jews, Christians, witches, aborigines or any other groups accused of doing so over the centuries.
There's simply no proof of it. There has never been. What the historical record shows is that the
allegation has surfaced time and time again as an ethnic and religious slur. 
The claim that baby or fetus eating is an accepted practice in China (or Thailand, or Japan, or
Korea, or Israel, as other variants of this same rumor claim) is more or less a modernized version
of an ancient legend known as "Blood Libel."  It has typically taken the form of one culture
accusing another (or a subculture) of ritually sacrificing infants and in some cases eating them.
The Greeks accused the Jews of it, the Romans accused the Christians, Christians accused the Jews
again, and so on throughout history. 
Folklorists say the driving forces behind such legends are ignorance, xenophobia (fear of other
peoples and creeds) and/or one culture projecting upon another its misgivings about unsettling moral
trends at home. One might speculate in the present case, for example, that the spread of horror
stories in the West about the crass use of fetuses as food in Asia is fueled by qualms about the
practice of abortion and the so-called "cannibalization" of fetal tissue for scientific research in
our own countries. There are few more emotionally charged issues in modern life. 
In any case, it's hard to tell (and under dispute) whether the horrific photographs circulating via
email since December 2000 are real or fake. We do know because we found documentation on them at a
site called Chinese-Art.com that they were created by a conceptual artist named Zhu Yu, who
exhibited them at an underground art show after they were rejected as too controversial by curators
of the Shanghai 2000 Bienniale. In the piece, which he called "Eating People," a serious of
photographs indeed appears to show Zhu cooking and eating a human baby or fetus. For those who
haven't seen them and aren't too squeamish to take a peek, here are two examples from this
postmodern masterpiece collected from forwarded emails: 
Zhu Yu 'Eating People' #1 
Zhu Yu 'Eating People' #2 
The artist himself, whose past accomplishments include an opus entitled "Canned Human Brains," has
claimed in interviews that he used real aborted fetuses stolen from a medical school to create
"Eating People" and that he actually cooked and ate them "for art's sake." 
Should we take him at his word? 
It's true, to the point of being a cliche, as a matter of fact, that avant-garde artists will do
anything to shock the public, so we have to acknowledge the possibility that Zhu Yu is telling the
truth ­ that he actually did cook and eat human fetuses. On the other hand, works of "performance
art" are often strictly that ­ performances ­ and it has been argued that Zhu could have easily
constructed his "fetuses" out of doll parts and animal carcasses, pretended to consume them in front
of the cameras and made tongue-in-cheek statements to the press to convince everyone the exhibition
was real. 
That's a theory I'm inclined to agree with, because, frankly, if Zhu were telling the truth he'd
probably be serving jail time. There's no reason to suppose China is any more tolerant of
cannibalism than the rest of the world, and indeed the fact that Zhu's work was refused for an
official exhibition bears that out. Plus, by his own admission, the fetuses Zhu allegedly cooked and
ate were obtained illegally. 
In early 2001, a Malaysian tabloid published some of the photos along with a story alleging that one
Taiwanese restaurant's signature dish contains meat from human infants. Taiwan government officials
demanded an immediate retraction, another indication that baby eating is not particularly
well-accepted by the Chinese. 
Shortly afterward, the same pictures showed up on a prominent Website (
www.rotten.com
), prompting an
announcement in the British press of an investigation into their origins by Scotland Yard and the
FBI. However, the owner of said Website maintains he has never been contacted by authorities from
any country. When last we looked, the photos were still on display. 
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http://uproar.fortunecity.com/picture/613/fetusyum.htm#
The following picture comes from East Magazine, a Hong Kong publication, and it relates to the
following article.
The Electronic Telegraph 13 April 1995 WORLD NEWS 
Chinese trade in human foetuses for consumption is uncovered
By Yojana Sharma in Hong Kong and Graham Hutchings in Beijing 
ABORTED human foetuses intended for human consumption are being sold for as little as 1 in the
Chinese city of Shenzhen, according to reports in Hong Kong yesterday. 
The Eastern Express newspaper said journalists from its sister publication, Eastweek, had gone to
Shenzhen, across the border from Hong Kong, to see if foetuses were being sold. Shenzhen hospitals
carried out 7,000 terminations last year, including a number on Hong Kong women seeking cheap
abortions. 
At the state-run Shenzhen Health Centre for Women and Children, a female doctor was asked for a
foetus. The next day, she handed the reporter a "fist-sized glass bottle stuffed with thumb-sized
foetuses". 
The doctor was quoted as saying: "There are 10 foetuses here, all aborted this morning. You can take
them. We are a state hospital and don't charge. Normally we doctors take them home to eat - all
free. Since you don't look well, you can take them." 
At private clinics, aborted foetuses could be obtained for between 1 and 1.75, the newspaper said.
There was no evidence, however, that foetuses were being sold in large quantities to middlemen for
sale in Hong Kong. 
A doctor said the foetuses were 'nutritious' and claimed to have eaten 100 herself 
Zou Qin, a doctor working at the Luo Hu Clinic in Shenzhen, said the foetuses were "nutritious" and
claimed to have eaten 100 herself in the past six months. 
She said the "best" were first-born males from young women. "We don't carry out abortions just to
eat the foetuses," she said, but added that the foetuses would be "wasted if not eaten". The
newspaper said the foetuses were eaten as a soup, together with pork and ginger. [] 
A woman doctor, referred to only as Wang, from the Sin Hua Clinic, Shenzhen, was quoted as saying
the foetuses were "even better than placentae" in nutritional value. "They can make your skin
smoother, your body stronger and are good for kidneys," she said. 
Dr Warren Lee, president of the Hong Kong Nutrition Association, said: "Eating foetuses is a
traditional Chinese medicine deeply founded in folklore." However, he considered the alleged
properties of foetuses little more than old-wives' tales. Others said the practice was abhorrent. 
The sale and consumption of placentae is common in China 
Dr Cao Shilin, of the Hospital of Chinese medicine in Shenzhen, said aborted embryos were taken to
factories where they were used in the production of medicines. 
She did not know if any were sold to private individuals, but said there was little medical value in
embryos older than eight weeks when, in Chinese terms, they were classified as foetuses. 
She had not heard of foetuses being sold in Shenzhen, but warned that eating them could be
dangerous, given the strong medicines used in abortions. 
A doctor in Beijing, who declined to be named, said parts of foetuses would have medical value,
singling out the liver as something that could help to cure anaemia. 
But hospitals in Beijing had ovens for the destruction of aborted foetuses, and she had not heard
that they had been sold for individual consumption. 
The sale and consumption of placentae is common in China, though frowned upon by the authorities.
Only those with good connections to the medical world can obtain placentae, which cost between 2.50
and 3 each. 
According to traditional Chinese medicine, it is regarded as particularly beneficial for a nursing
mother to eat her own placenta because it improves her milk. It is usually drunk in the form of a
soup.
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Mi fa piacere tu abbia postato il sito di urbanlegends dove si dice che
la storia dei bambini mangiati è una bufala, ma grazie, lo sapevo già.
Per il resto, hai scoperto che nei paesi + poveri, i bambini o i feti
vengono venduti al mercato nero. Complimenti. Se seguissi Amnesty lo
sapresti già da mò, in Cina come nell'africa dei fascistissimi generali.
Ah ma già scusa, quelli son di destra quindi non vale.
Benvenuto nel 2006
saluti
marco minardi
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