Newsgroup: it.politica
Titolo: Trump ha fatto una stronzata

Con la storia dei bimbi separati dai genitori s'č data la zappa sui piedi, 
controproducente al massimo. 
 
 

 controproducente al massimo.
 
quoto. meglio farli affogare.

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Perchè prima non torturarli? Hitler con Mengele lo faceva.

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Poteva probabilmente, anzi sicuramente, ottenere gli stessi risultati
- almeno come costi - quanto costa accudire un bambino di qualche
anno, lontano dei genitori ? Allestendo un appropriato campo
d'accoglienza per le intere famiglie, senza tirarsi addosso tanti
improperi. 

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C'e' in corso al Congresso la legge che dovrebbe risolvere il
problema, problema che tutti vogliono sia risolto incluso Trump, tutti
meno che molti democratici che vedono l'occasione per dare addosso al
Presidente.
 
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I think, therefore I question.

 Presidente.
 
BS.
 
Have you heard that children were separated from their parents under Obama & Clinton? Then, you need a little Facts vs Myths lesson. Michelle Martin, PhD Cal State Fullerton summed up the most important FACTS:
 
There is so much misinformation out there about the Trump administration's new "zero tolerance" policy that requires criminal prosecution, which then warrants the separating of parents and children at the border. Before responding to a post defending this policy, please do your research...As a professor at a local Cal State, I research and write about these issues, so here, I'll make it easier for you:
 
Myth: This is not a new policy and was practiced under Obama and Clinton - FALSE. The policy to separate parents and children is new and was instituted on 4/6/2018. It was the brainchild of John Kelly and Stephen Miller to serve as a deterrent for undocumented immigration, approved by Trump, and adopted by Sessions. Prior administrations detained migrant families, but didn’t have a practice of forcibly separating parents from their children unless the adults were deemed unfit. 
https://www.justice.gov/
…/press-rele…/file/1049751/download…
 
Myth: This is the only way to deter undocumented immigration - FALSE. Annual trends show that arrests for undocumented entry are at a 46 year low, and undocumented crossings dropped in 2007, with a net loss (more people leaving than arriving). Deportations have increased steadily though (spiking in 1996 and more recently), because several laws that were passed since 1996 have made it legally more difficult to gain legal status for people already here, and thus increased their deportations (I address this later under the myth that it's the Democrats' fault). What we mostly have now are people crossing the border illegally because they've already been hired by a US company, or because they are seeking political asylum. Economic migrants come to this country because our country has kept the demand going. But again, many of these people impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy appear to be political asylum-seekers. 
https://www.npr.org/
…/arrests-for-illegal-border-crossings-…
 
Myth: Most of the people coming across the border are just trying to take advantage of our country by taking our jobs - FALSE. Most of the parents who have been impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy have presented themselves as political asylum-seekers at a U.S. port-of-entry, from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Rather than processing their claims, they have been taken into custody on the spot and had their children ripped from their arms. The ACLU alleges that this practice violates the Asylum Act, and the UN asserts that it violates the UN Treaty on the State of Refugees, one of the few treaties the US has ratified. This is an illegal act on the part of the United States government, not to mention morally and ethically reprehensible. 
https://www.nytimes.com/
…/meatpackers-profits-hinge-on-pool…
 
Myth: We're a country that respects the Rule of Law, and if people break the law, this is what they get - FALSE. We are a country that has an above-ground system of immigration and an underground system. Our government (under both parties) has always been aware that US companies recruit workers in the poorest parts of Mexico for cheap labor, and ICE (and its predecessor INS) has looked the other way because this underground economy benefits our country to the tune of billions of dollars annually. Thus, even though the majority of people crossing the border now are asylum-seekers, those who are economic migrants (migrant workers) likely have been recruited here to do jobs Americans will not do. 
https://www.upi.com/
…/Donald-Trumps-wall-ign…/2621477498203/
 
Myth: The children have to be separated from their parents because there parents must be arrested and it would be cruel to put children in jail with their parents - FALSE. First, in the case of economic migrants crossing the border illegally, criminal prosecution has not been the legal norm, and families have been kept together at all cost. Also, crossing the border without documentation is a typically a misdemeanor not requiring arrest, but rather a civil proceeding. Additionally, parents who have been detained have historically been detained with their children in ICE "family residential centers," again, for civil processing. The Trump administration's shift in policy is for political purposes only, not legal ones. See p. 18: 
https://www.aclu.org/
…/ms-l-v-ice-plaintiffs-opposition-def…
 
Myth: We have rampant fraud in our asylum process the proof of which is the significant increase we have in the number of people applying for asylum. FALSE. The increase in asylum seekers is a direct result of the increase in civil conflict and violence across the globe. While some people may believe that we shouldn't allow any refugees into our country because "it's not our problem," neither our current asylum law, nor our ideological foundation as a country support such an isolationist approach. There is very little evidence to support Sessions' claim that abuse of our asylum-seeking policies is rampant. Also, what Sessions failed to mention is that the majority of asylum seekers are from China, not South of the border. Here is a very fair and balanced assessment of his statements: 
http://www.politifact.com/
…/jeff-sessions-claim-about-asyl…/
 
Myth: The Democrats caused this, "it's their law." FALSE. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats caused this, the Trump administration did (although the Republicans could fix this today, and have refused). I believe what this myth refers to is the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which were both passed under Clinton in 1996. These laws essentially made unauthorized entry into the US a crime (typically a misdemeanor for first-time offenders), but under both Republicans and Democrats, these cases were handled through civil deportation proceedings, not a criminal proceeding, which did not require separation. And again, even in cases where detainment was required, families were always kept together in family residential centers, unless the parents were deemed unfit (as mentioned above). Thus, Trump's assertion that he hates this policy but has no choice but to separate the parents from their children, because the Democrats "gave us this law" is false and nothing more than propaganda designed to compel negotiation on bad policy. 
https://www.independent.co.uk/
…/trump-democrats-us-border-m…
 
Myth: The parents and children will be reunited shortly, once the parents' court cases are finalized. FALSE. Criminal court is a vastly different beast than civil court proceedings. Also, the children are being processed as unaccompanied minors ("unaccompanied alien children"), which typically means they are sent into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services (DHS). Under normal circumstances when a child enters the country without his or her parent, ORR attempts to locate a family member within a few weeks, and the child is then released to a family member, or if a family member cannot be located, the child is placed in a residential center (anywhere in the country), or in some cases, foster care. Prior to Trump's new policy, ORR was operating at 95% capacity, and they simply cannot effectively manage the influx of 2000+ children, some as young as 4 months. Also, keep in mind, these are not unaccompanied minor children, they have parents. There is great legal ambiguity on how and even whether the parents will get their children back because we are in uncharted territory right now. According to the ACLU lawsuit (see below), there is currently no easy vehicle for reuniting parents with their children. Additionally, according to a May 2018 report, numerous cases of verbal, physical and sexual abuse were found to have occurred in these residential centers. 
https://www.aclu.org/
…/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-wides…
 
Myth: This policy is legal. LIKELY FALSE. The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration on 5/6/18, and a recent court ruling denied the government's motion to dismiss the suit. The judge deciding the case stated that the Trump Administration policy is "brutal, offensive, and fails to comport with traditional notions of fair play and decency." The case is moving forward because it was deemed to have legal merit. 
https://www.bloomberg.com/
…/aclu-suit-over-child-separation…
 
L.

Have you heard that children were separated from their parents under Obama & Clinton?
 
Yes I have, do a search then get lost, punk.
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 C'e' in corso 
 
Interessante. Dimmi: mentre e' in corso, sei d'accordo nel separare bambini piccoli dai genitori e dal segregarli in gabbie o supermercati?
 
Si o no?
 
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Si o no?
 
No, non ero d'accordo nemmeno nel 2014 quando il presidente era obama.
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IO SI.
I BAMBINI DI GENITORI TANTO DEFICIENTI DA POTARLI DOVE SANNO CHE QUESTO ACCADRà, VAN TOLTI DALLE MANI DEGLI STESSI E AFFIDATI A BRAVA GENTE.
 
L'IMMORTALE

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Occhio a quello che scrivi, perche' uno che si riduce a sparar panzane su it.politica per farsi bello, tanto intelligente non sembra.
 
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cm

 No, non ero d'accordo 
 
Mi fa onestamente piacere.
 
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Gli faccio gli auguri, perche' una migliore, degna soluzione, sia
trovata.


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Decisamente no.

 decisone.
 
Quindi? Era un idiota prima o lo è adesso?

 Ipocrita del cazzo.
 
I difensori della famiglia naturale di 'sto grandissimo cazzo. :-D

Quindi? Era un idiota prima o lo č adesso?
 
Quando nel 2014 obama separava i bambini dalle famiglie non c'erano
tutti questi tam tam di guerra contro di lui, sei un sucker, peggio
ancora sei (e molti della sinistra come te) un merdoso IPOCRITA!!
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 Quando nel 2014 obama separava i bambini dalle famiglie 
 
Visto che regolarmente dai del "merdoso bugiardo" a destra e a manca, hai verificato questa notizia prima di spararla? Evidentemente no, perche' e' una BALLA:
 
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/fact-check-did-obama-administration-separate-families-n884856
 
 
Ma tu continua pure a ripeterla senza controllare che sia vera, perche' sai, "I think therefore i question".
 
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Adesso mi dirai che queste immagini qua sotto non sono vere?
 
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"Side-by-side photos show migrant children locked up in cages under
both Trump and Obama"
 
Photos of detention facilities holding migrant children under the
Obama and Trump administrations bear striking similarities.
 
謬he Trump administration has been enforcing what it refers to as a
"zero-tolerance" policy, and photos have surfaced of children being
detained away from their parents in cage-like facilities.
 
百imilar photos from  Obama-era border facilities have also surfaced.
 
桧n Wednesday, Trump  signed an executive order to end the separation
of migrant families in detention.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-migrant-children-policy-under-trump-obama-2018-6
 
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 Adesso mi dirai che queste immagini qua sotto non sono vere?
 
No, ti diro' di leggere l'articolo, ove e' chiaramente spiegato che dividere le famiglie NON era parte della policy (come invece lo e' nel caso di Trump), ma che era un'eccezione applicata solo in caso di pericolo per il minore o perche' si riteneva che l'identita' del minore fosse fasulla, indicato in un'incidenza di un paio di casi ogni sei mesi.
 
Immagino che leggere prima di rispondere e commentare sia troppo difficile.
 
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Tu leggi ma la realta' che si vede ogni santo giorno e' che ci sono
due pesi e due misure, una per Trump e una per gli ipocrtiti di
sinistra.
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 Quando 
 
non sai che cazzo dire, cioè nel 99.9% dei casi, inizi a tentare di buttare merda nel ventilatore sperando che qualche schizzo attecchisca qua e là...

 sinistra.
 
CVD: pescato a sparar l'n-esima puttanata della tua ritardata esistenza ecco che deve cambiare discorso... :-D

 Ipocrita del cazzo.
 
Applausi a scena aperta.

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https://youtu.be/n_en7LRhvEM
 
 
Applaudi questo filmato qua sopra, tonto.
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Il discorso e' che i disonesti mainstream media che cita il tuo
amichetto sono ppunto disonesti, per me e per la maggioranza degli
americani, schifoso ipocrita che non sei altro, fai schifo.
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Ai tempi delle emigrazione a Ellis Island questo avveniva regolarmente, lo fecero con i miei bisnonni li separarano dal nonno

 Il discorso e' che ho ragione perche' si e faccio finta di non leggere e sbatto i piedini se mi dimostrano il contrario.
 
Corretto, adesso e' piu' aderente alla realta'
 
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Corretto, adesso e' piu' aderente alla realta'
 
Sei ridotto a falsificare il post, da un falsario come te non e' una
novita'.
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 schifoso ipocrita che non sei altro, fai schifo.
 
Ho capito, ritardato, che ti si è aperto il dizionario sulla "i".
Ma bisognerebbe leggerle (e capirle, quindi tu sei escluso fino al 2025), le definizioni, prima di scrivere.

Ma bisognerebbe leggerle (e capirle, quindi tu sei escluso fino al 2025), le definizioni, prima di scrivere.
 
bla bla bla.
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Chiedi all'infermiere se ti spiega cosa vuol dire "corretto", participio del verbo "correggere".
 
Dopo che ti ha dato le pillole, pero', senno' poi vedi gli hacker che escono dai muri per scrivere articoli nel sito di fox news (parole tue).
 
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 bla bla bla.
 
Sbatti più forte i piedini ritardato o i tifosi dell'altra curva non ti sentono. :-D

 I BAMBINI DI GENITORI TANTO DEFICIENTI DA POTARLI DOVE SANNO CHE QUESTO ACCADRà, VAN TOLTI DALLE MANI DEGLI STESSI E AFFIDATI A BRAVA GENTE.
 
Ma no, che dici.
 
Gasiamoli tutti, altrimenti quello psicopatico di Bhisma non puo' 
continuare a postare link risalenti all'altra guerra e poi si mette a 
piagnucolare citando pezzi di storia che esistono solo nella sua testa ;-D

 idioti elencati nella 
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Leonardo:
...ti serve mica un po' di vasellina... della pomata... un tappezziere?