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Titolo: Which rear projection to get DLP or CRT

I am preparing to replace my Toshiba 55" CRT and I want to get at least
50" screen.  My problem is that I want to get a bright, beautiful
picture for viewing but I am just not sure about DLP.  Plasma is out
because of burn in and LCoS just does not have much available in my
price range.  So this brings me to my questions:
A) Should I go with 57" plus CRT projection for the tried and true
technology or...
B) Is DLP so worth the extra money?  At my budget I can probably only
manage a 46"(tops) and then I have to buy a cabinet to set it on
($200).  Is this solid, reliable technology?  What would you recommend
for DLP?
C) What would recommend that I avoid.
Budget: $1500 to $2900 (yes, in Portland OR, I think I can get these
prices)
Typical usage anticipated in (28 hrs a week use): HDTV(80%),DVD(15%) &
XBOX (5%).
Space: Not an issue.
How long I expect to have it: Seven years or until it is hopelessly
obsolete.

I'm in Portland too and I just went shopping for sets in September (one
for myself, two for my business.)
I decided on a standard rear projection set for home, a DLP set for the
office and a ceiling mounted projector for our conference room.
It was a toss up for me between DLP and JVC's HDiLA (their custom
version of DLP) for the office, but as beautiful as the picture was I
couldn't justify the extra cost for home. My 52" Hitachi was only $1300
including shipping (Video Only by Clackamas Town Center.) Although I'm
hearing now that some of the JVC sets have trouble with convergence on
the green spectrum and there's no way to adjust it out of the factory.
You either get a "good one" or you don't.
As a rule though DLP is pretty well tested, they've been using it in
projectors for quite a while now and that's what we went with for the
conference room.
I can't invite you over to see the site yet, since it's still under
construction. But when we open in April there will be a big grand
opening and I'll be happy to give you a tour (
jorda...@yahoo.com
 - I
don't give out addresses or phone numbers that I actually care about on
the Internet.)
Steer clear of plasma and LCD. The picture isn't good enough, the cost
is too high, and if anything goes wrong with the screen then you're
boned (i.e plasma losing 20% of its brightness after 1 year).
Projection and DLP units have consumable bits (as I'm sure you know),
but it's not as bad as throwing away the whole set.
- Jordan

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I got a Sony Grand Wega 42" LCD rear projection .  Size was 
a real consideration, because my viewing area is very 
shallow and wide.  The LCD has a very wide viewing angle. 
The Tv is only 14" deep and 60lbs.  I was able to put it on 
a shelf mounted to the wall at the proper viewing height.  I 
put my components on matching shelves.  It really opened up 
my living room and gave it a very uncluttered look, while 
more than doubling my screen size.  The picture is very 
vibrant, especially with a hi-def source. 

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I have been researching big-screen TVs for a year now and I have yet to read
a review that said that DLP, LCD, or Plasma have a picture equal to, or
better than, a CRT RPTV.  The CRT RPTV sets have better color and no rainbow
effects.  So, at the end of Thanksgiving I broke down and bought a Hitachi
57F510 digital monitor for $1799, and the picture is fantastic.
Also, let me say that I only watch DVDs with this TV since I rarely watch
any TV, other than the news and Leno/Letterman for a few minutes.  A month
ago I bought a Sony DCP-975 DVD player that upconverts the picture into
1080i and connects to the TV via a HDMI cable.  You will not believe how
good the picture looks.  I feel like I am at the movies.

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From what I understand LCoS is supposed to be better than any of them, but
there aren't enough company's building them. It provides a long bulb life,
no pixelation, no burn in, no convergence problems and no rainbow effects.
Prices are high now, but it's supposed to go down dramaticaly over the first
2 years. They're supposed to get into the CRT price range, and I'm in no
hurry so I'll just wait.

There's a lot of differing opinion on this, but from far too much 
reading, I'd say the general rules are:
CRT direct view has best picture (esp Sony top-of-the-line), but 
obviously too small for your desires.
CRT RP *can* have an excellent picture, if focused and properly 
adjusted.  But can look like cr*p if not.  It is subject to 
burn-in, though many claim that this isn't that big an issue. 
Depends on how secure you feel, I guess.
LCD RP is often knocked for mediocre black level.  Not an issue 
for me, but maybe for a purist.  I have a 50" Panasonic LCD 
and it seems black enough.  What I do have an issue with is the 
rather limited contrast ("shadow detail"??) where it just doesn't 
seem to discern well from many shades of gray.  This may be a 
setup issue.  It also pumps red too much.  Again, these often can 
be adjusted.  Other than CRT RP, best bang for the buck. Plenty 
bright picture, pretty good off-axis (better L-R than 
above/below).
DLP is supposed to be similar to LCD, but with better black level. 
I liked the Samsungs I had looked at.  They were virtually the 
only player in this field until mid-'04.  But some of their units 
had an issue with outputs only being 720p/1080i or 480p, not both 
(could be a pain with an XBOX?).  Quite a few experience 
"rainbows".  Move your head around, look at it with averted 
vision.  If you see rainbows in moving black/white scenes, that's 
it.  It drives some batty.  Even if you don't see them, will your 
spouse/gf/friends see them?
Since they are digital, LCD and DLP can often be used with 
computers as the monitor.
As others mention direct plasma and LCD are muy expensive.  I do 
love the pumped over-the-top plasma picture though.
So, its a tough call, thus all the advocates pushing one or the 
other.  I don't think DLP is worth the extra over LCD, but that's 
me.  If you are finicky, maybe a top model CRT RP that is 
professionally calibrated.  But I wouldn't rule out LCD RP 
(obviously, as that's what I bought).

 57F510 digital monitor for $1799, and the picture is fantastic.
Well I said it before and I'll say it again.
My (Seleco Sim2 300e) DLP projector "blows away" both of my CRT HDTV's
(Pioneer Elite and Hitachi) with more than double the image size (110").
The depth of color and image clarity boggles my mind.
Halo II looks insane on it!

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I've played video games on my DLP projector at about that same size. Do you
find that some games make you nauseaus? I rented Resident Evil 2 the other
day and tried to play it, but it made me really sick. It might have
something to do with the lousy controls, though. Sports and racing games on
the big screen are just amazing.
Skye

 day and tried to play it, but it made me really sick.
Try a game that works better on an HDTV.  RE2 does not support 16:9 or even 
480p.  You can see which games support what at 
http://www.hdtvarcade.com

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Most games I play support 480p (Xbox mainly), but very few that I play
support widescreen. Burnout 3, however is freaking amazing on the 110"
screen. I can't believe how miserable RE4 looked. No progressive, and no
widescreen. What a wasted oppurtunity.

 the big screen are just amazing.
Sports games do look awesome!
I didn't realize RE4 doesn't have 480p.
That is so lame.
I can't freaking believe Nintendo has totally abandon component inputs
altogether.....
oh wait a minute, yes I can, it's Nintendo.

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 for DLP?
I have a Samsung hln437w (early 43" model) and just bought a hlp5063w.  So 
obviously I'm happy with dlp.  The early model has a dissappointing sd 
content picture IMHO, but both are breathtaking with HD content.  Noone has 
ever seen a rainbow effect at my house.  I've asked everyone who comes in. 
No one knows what I'm talking about when I tell them what to look for. Not 
one person (although I guess there are those that see it).  Go look at one 
in a store - bet you won't see it.
I never have to worry about burn in with games - my son plays lots.  I buy 
the 3 year plan from circuit city, which covers all (bulb, power surge, 
etc.).  It has a 15 pin VGA input and can  be used as a computer display 
(cool).  The "wow" factor of hanging some thing on a wall isn't worth a few 
thousand $ to me,  DLP's are coming down in price. The 50" is 77lbs!  A 
light tv is quite nice.
It's expensive - but what a picture!
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 input.  The 74 and 85 series do not have this problem.
Actually, even the 2004 HLPxx63 series can do 480i/480p/720p/1080i on 
both component ports. Its the older 2002/2003 models (HLM... and HLN...)

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RE4 does support 480p.  You also cannot blame Nintendo for more games not 
supporting 480p.  Most of their 1st party games from them do.  It is the 
other company's fault for not implementing 480p.  Thank goodness Capcom did 
utilize 480p for RE4.
HDTV games lists and discussions
http://www.hdtvarcade.com

 Why bother if you're not going to make it anamorphic widescreen? It's
lazy.
I am so tired of Nintendo.
I should get off the fence and just sell mine. I never play the damn thing.
I still have MP II in the wrapper.

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 Skye
I don't remember being asked to put the game into 480p like with other GC
games at boot up. And the manual mentions no support for it. You sure?
Skye

 I still have MP II in the wrapper.
Well you can hardly blame the game or Nintendo for that. Good addictive 
games don't have much chance to draw you in while the shrinkwrap is 
still on.