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Titolo: AUDIO STEREO > 5.1

E' possibile cambiare l'audio di un divx da stereo a 5.1 , insomma qualche 
stratagemma per poter usufruire di tutte le casse?
Qualche programma in grado di fare ciň?
Grazie anticipatamente per le vostre risposte 

 Qualche programma in grado di fare ciň?
un qualsiasi DSP dell'amplificatore, ma viene fuori una schifezza mostruosa.
Se č fatto bene potresti ottenere qualcosa con il Dolby Pro Logic 2 cinema, 
oppure l'equivalente DTS
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Danilo
Ciao!
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In automatico e via sw mi sa di no..se hai tempo e voglia da perdere 
potresti studiarti la guda che c'è sul sito di AFDigitale e remixarti la 
  tua traccia stereofonica in 5.1..

 Ciao Berry
Si guarda una traccia in dolby surround e' proprio uguale a una traccia 5.1
, perche' continui a fare disinformazione ? Per la pubblicita' puoi sempre
prenderti uno spazio su una rivista o affittare un bel cartellone sulla
statale.

 integrati Ht,quindi per non buttqre soldi.
Hoi hoi... hai finito le medicine?
Sto aspettando il momento che la Vincent o la Aeron o chi per loro produrra' 
un ampli HT dove ci potrai fare il ricarico che piace a te... scommettiamo 
che suoneranno benissimo?
Io aspetto...
Ciao
Clark Kent 

Inutile quindi farlo a monte. 
Si lo fanno anche alcuni lettori e serve per non comprare gòli ampli
integrati Ht,quindi per non buttqre soldi.
Ciao Berry
Ascoltate sempre in raffronto DIRETTO prima di acquistare.
home-theater-hifi.com
 & RadioWeblog: 
http://www.livejournal.com/users/paulberry/

 E' possibile cambiare l'audio di un divx da stereo a 5.1
Tutti gli ampli lo prevedono, dallo stereo dolby surround simulano un 5.1. 
Inutile quindi farlo a monte. 
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Luc (31,CO) - TV: Sony KV32FX65E - DVD: Sony DVP NS310
CAMERA: Panasonic NV DS38 - AMPLI: Kenwood KRF V5580DS
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Guarda ,demente e delinquente, che li fanno gia'.
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Ho detto questo?Cambia mestiere,almeno qui.
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 Guarda ,demente e delinquente, che li fanno gia'.
Lo so Berry, evidentemente non ci margini abbastanza... e' cosi' con tutto 
quello che vendi.
Ciao
Clark Kent 

 Ho detto questo?Cambia mestiere,almeno qui.
Be' capire quello che scrivi richiede gia' uno sforzo notevole , manco il
traduttore di altavista mi e' d'aiuto. Io qui scrivo per piacere e passione,
non e' il mio mestiere ... ti stai confondendo con te stesso e l'abuso che
fai ogni giorno di questo NG. Vai a scrivere sul tuo forum e rendi vivibile
questo posto, thanks.

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Qui' c'e' qualcuno che ha scambiato il NG come il palco per mettere in
atto una propria battaglia personale contro Berry.
Ci sono persone (non tu) che hanno anche il coraggio di dirsi stanche
di
queste discussioni, ma iniziano nuovi sempre thread contro di lui.
Alla fine un piano c'e': 
E' quello di quei 4 pirla dai molteplici volti di intasare il NG di
messaggi OT su berry affinche' la gente stanca non convinca Berry ad
andarsene.
In realta' se guardiamo i post di berry sono sempre relativi a
prodotti e
non persone e il lettore e' pure avvertito che e' un commerciante.
Sai quanti commercianti scrivono le loro opinioni senza dire di
esserlo?
E berry non dice venite da me a comperare parla dei prodotti.
Per qualcuno diviene una questione di principio buttarlo fuori.
Ma il principio sta nel fatto che semplicemente canta fuori dal coro.
E rompe l'egemonia di controllo che certa gente si sente di avere del
NG.
Poi si potrebbe fargli il processo e vedere se in qualcosa e'
colpevole o
innocente. Ma NON HA SENSO E NON SI DEVE. 
Altrimenti PROCESSO A TUTTI!!!!
Se sei nauseato come lo sono io, e come lo saranno in molti. 
Occorre dire a quei 4 signori di smettrla di fare gli idioti e di
onorare
la loro intelligienza.
Y.
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Berry da la sua opinione come molti altri, e' solo un po' piu'
presente (troppo) e pressante, anche un po' assolutista.
Tuttavia: E' educato, non giudica le persone ma solo i prodotti. Da
giudizi equilibrati e coerenti, propone prodotti che puoi trovare in
qualsiasi negozio, avverte che e' un venditore, ma non cita il link al
negozio.
Al contrario, la tua presenza e' assillante orientata al giudizio
delle persone piu' che ai contenuti. Dai addosso a tutti con
espressioni incivili , indecorose e ingiustificate. Non fai alcun post
utile.
La prima regola per vivere in una comunita' civile (e il NG lo
dovrebbe essere) e' il rispetto degli altri.
Qualsiasi possano essere le tue ragioni, non valgono assolutamente
niente se non le sai esprimere da persona educata e matura.
Il NG non deve essere usato per sfogare le proprie frustrazioni.
Tutta questa enfasi sul problema Berry e' immotivata. Se non ti piace
leggere i suoi post inserisci un kill file. (non serve fare altro)
Io invece li ritengo interessanti e utili e saro' ben lieto di
leggerne ancora (ovviamente li valuto e non li assorbo passivamente
(come d'altra parte lui invita a fare)).
Sei tu che gonfi tutto (anche gli zebedei), fino a rovinare il quieto
vivere del NG. Ti invito pertanto ad inserire berry nel tuo kill file
e a farla finita.... e postare contributi utili.
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Il bello che i nuovi arrivi, le Audes Studio in USA costano quasi la meta'
che a quello che le vuole vendere lui, ora si che ci sono bei margini. Ahh
le casse non sono americane... :-P

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600 euro 
 
Il pregio principale e' la facile collocazione ambientale. 
Anche totalmente annegati in una libreria. 
Imagine this: You live in Estonia. While the Cold War was in full
swing, you built MiG fighter planes for the Russian military. This
leaves you with an array of engineers and manufacturing equipment
normally aimed at making very strong materials that are also as light
as possible. The question, then, is what you should do now that making
MiGs isn't such a popular vocation anymore? If you answered "build
speakers," your thinking has something in common with that of Audes,
an Estonian manufacturer whose products have recently started
appearing here in the US. What caught my attention about their
smallest speaker, retailing for $575, was that their product
literature specifically mentioned suitability for placement against
the rear wall, or even on a shelf. I'm constantly asked about speakers
that will work well in less than spacious accommodations, especially
by readers who are temporarily trapped in college dormitories. The
relatively compact size of the Audes 105, combined with flexible
placement, would seem to make an ideal choice for somewhat cramped
locales.  
 
The Audes 105 is a small two-way design with a 1" dome tweeter and a
6.5" cone woofer. The outside dimensions are 14.4" x 9" x 11", and
they weigh 19 pounds each. What's not really clear from a small,
webified photograph of the speaker is its unique appearance. The
cabinet is finished very smoothly, with a shiny gray sheen instead of
the normal wood-grain look. The construction joints are carefully
covered over and hidden where casual observers aren't likely to notice
them. The result is definitely from the industrial school of design,
but I find it quite attractive (especially if the grilles are
removed). At least it doesn't look like yet another anonymous box with
a cheap wood veneer.  
Running through the rest of the stats, the frequency response is
stated as 45Hz-20Khz, but without stating the dB drop. Assuming it's
-3dB, that makes for slightly deeper bass than you normally find in
this price range. The flip side is that the sensitivity at 1W/1m is
only 86dB. It seems the designers aimed at deeper bass at the expense
of some efficiency, which means you'll need a slightly beefier
amplifier to achieve the same volume level that you would with a more
typical speaker of similar design. The impedance is 8 ohms, power
handling is rated at 75W with 100W peaks, and the crossover is
centered at 1.8KHz. There's no magnetic shielding.  
Now that you know the specs, you know what the speaker sounds like,
right? I'll just end the review right now then -- oh, wait, we
actually listen to speakers! What a concept. I beat on my review pair
of Audes 105 speakers with the big system at home one weekend to
accelerate breaking them in. After surviving that, I packed the
speakers back up and hauled them to my office. Because I live at work
lately, I've been putting together a small system there that makes a
more appropriate test bed for less expensive products than the
home-theater behemoth I normally use. Current electronics are the AMC
3020 integrated amp and the CEC 2100 CD player (yes, both are review
samples you'll be reading about soon). Because I'm trying to keep the
total cost of the system there minimized, the interconnects are
signal-tape jobs with Radio Shack magnet wire and RCA jacks (as
described in November's Fringe). Speaker cable is 8' lengths of bulk
AudioQuest Type 4 to each speaker, terminated in Radio Shack megacable
spades (16-14 gauge, #278-316A). Since I bought a whole spool of the
Type 4 for around $1/foot, that makes under $50 total for cables. So
with the Audes speakers, the total system cost at work is under $1200.
The room there is a typical 10 'x 10' office space, but with two
normally open doors I don't run into the usual concerns with bass
response you get in room that size. But it certainly is cramped in
there, making the flexible placement of the 105s quite welcome.  
One trait I noticed with these speakers from the beginning is the
large difference the grilles make. Yes, there's the usual hint of
treble softening when the grill is in place. But what was really
strange was that the bass lost considerable power when the grilles
were attached. I'm not sure if this is an airflow issue with the bass
driver and port, or if it's caused by structural resonance. (unlike
most assemblies, the Audes grille really grips the speaker extra
firmly) In any case, listening is best done with the drivers bare to
the world. I think that's a cosmetic improvement as well.  
At the office, I put the speakers on my 36" stands (per September's
Fringe), which are just right to clear my desk. I experimented with
placement some, but the space limitations really necessitated the
speakers be within 6" or so of the rear wall. Normally, speakers put
this close to a wall will sound boomy and thin in the low frequencies.
From the my brief listening in the much larger room at home, I had the
impression that the 105s were a bit on the lean side in the midbass
compared with their more solid output at the bottom end of their
response. But up against the rear wall in the office, the balance was
instead somewhat on the warm side of accurate. I think they strike a
good balance in how the bass is tailored. If you had all the space in
the world to experiment with, you could easily get excellent results,
but at the same time rooms that are too big or too small don't suffer
too much. I'd say the speakers live up to their claims of
compatibility with close placement to the rear wall. They aren't
perfect there, but they're better than most speakers sound in that
position.  
Because I'd been focused on the bass response so much, I started out
with my usual torture test for low frequencies, Mike Oldfield's The
Songs of Distant Earth [Reprise 9 45933-2]. The low frequencies went
surprisingly deep on the opening two tracks. If I weren't used to
hearing this material flat down to 20Hz, I wouldn't suspect anything
was missing from how the Audes speakers portrayed it. Moving on to
material with more real instruments instead of synthesized parts, I
spun "Goodness Gracious" from Kevin Gilbert's Thud [PRA 60401-2]. The
midrange was wonderful, with clear and full center vocals. The bass
guitar is portrayed quite well, but the acoustic guitars don't hold up
quite as well on an absolute scale. They sound decent, but not
particularly compelling.  
"Secret Silky World" from David Baerwald's Triage [A&M 75021 5392 2]
is a really difficult track for any system to master, and it's rare
that less expensive speakers do it justice. The cymbals sound good
with the Audes 105s, but don't possess the sense of air you get from
designs in this price range with more elaborate tweeters (the Magnepan
MMG comes to mind :1600 euro). While bass on most songs is quite well
controlled with the Audes speakers, with this song you can hear their
air-moving capabilities strain as the woofers overload. With
selections from Triage, I normally run into this problem, especially
with smaller ported designs that are more sensitive to significant
bass below their working range. More important to note is that the
Herb Alpert trumpet part during the opening is somewhat disembodied,
especially compared with the rock-solid center vocal.  
Noticing the occasional bit of problem with resolution of background
images, I set off to listen specifically to tracks that would shed
some light on what was going on. Playing "Doolin-Dalton" from the
Eagles Desperado [Asylum 5068-2], I found that the harmonica to the
right of center doesn't come through with its usual sense of space and
soundstage placement. But Henley's vocal in the center and the
acoustic guitars on the left sound excellent. Later in the song, when
Glen Frey starts singing a bit left of center, his voice blurs toward
the middle a bit, losing its distinctness from Henley some. 
Now that I had a more concrete example, I set out to try and solve
this small aberration. Rotating the speakers toward the middle,
increasing the toe-in, was effective at improving how off-center
sonics were rendered. Unfortunately, it reduced the normally
impressive realism of dead-center vocals. Curious, I started wandering
around the room in all three dimensions and listening to what was
happening. It appears that the off-axis imaging in both the horizontal
and vertical planes is a bit quirky on the Audes 105s. So while sound
beaming directly at you comes through perfectly, some of the subtle
details between the speakers aren't necessarily portrayed as well.
This is more of a problem in the midrange than anywhere else, which
leads me to suspect that crossover-related effects are the most likely
culprit.  
But let's consider this in the proper perspective. If the biggest
complaint I have about a $575 speaker is that the imaging sometimes
isn't as solid as it could be, that speaker is doing quite well
compared with its competition. In terms of overall clarity and
agreeable tonal balance, the Audes 105 is tough to beat. I only even
noticed any concerns with the soundstage resolution when I switched
into a very critical mode. During months of less analytical listening,
I'd been perfectly happy with how the speakers sounded. But, if you're
someone who obsesses about small imaging details (not an uncommon
trait of extreme audiophiles), these speakers could drive you crazy if
you focused on their flaws. I suspect that for normal listeners with
rooms small enough that decent imaging is nearly impossible to pull
off anyway, the overall clean and balanced sound of the Audes 105 is
more important than the fact that it's missing the ultimate in spatial
delineation.  
Associated Equipment  
 
Parasound C/DC-1500 CD player/transport  
Lexicon DC-1 preamp/DAC/surround processor  
Warner Imaging Endangered Species amplifier  
Max Rochlin Memorial Digital Cable  
JPS Labs Superconductor interconnects  
AudioQuest Type 4 speaker cable  
B&W 602 speakers  
CEC 2100 CD player  
AMC 3020 integrated amp 
 
While I can speculate as to how a comparison against other comparably
priced speakers will go based on memory, I'm still equipped to compare
the Audes 105s against a pair of B&W 602s directly. I alternated
between the two pairs of speakers in my home system, so that power
constraints or source limitations weren't a real issue. The B&W
speakers are still as I remember them (see my NEAR 10M review for
details), with a hot treble making for a very forward presentation.
The bass is certainly on the weak side as well, especially considering
how large the cabinet and woofer are. Regardless, I reached about 95dB
in my new listening room (a 15' x 23' space) with the speakers 9.5'
away from the listening position and 44" apart from each other. Moving
the Audes 105 speakers into the same position made for a much more
pleasant experience. The tonal balance was nice and laid-back, which
is part of the reason I liked the speaker so much with less expensive
electronics. The bass sounds deeper and more powerful than the B&W
experience. But the price you pay is in peak output capability. I only
reached 91dB in the room, and that was with considerably more power.
Except for the volume advantage, I don't see any reason why listeners
would like the 602s better than the Audes 105s, unless they were fans
of brighter output.  
I think a pair of Audes 105 speakers are most similar to the NEAR 10M
II in their overall qualities. The NEARs definitely have an edge when
it comes to clean imaging. But I think the Audes speakers are
compatible across a wider range of equipment, especially given the
more difficult 4-ohm impedance of the NEAR speakers. The 105s will
play a little bit louder if you've got a big enough amp. The 20Wpc AMC
3020 was certainly enough power to play the Audes speakers at a
reasonable volume, but the amp didn't quite have enough oomph for
higher outputs. I'd recommend at least 50Wpc for these speakers, with
100Wpc being optimal. But they'll work fine with less.  
Wrapping up, the Audes 105 speakers represent an excellent deal for a
modestly priced speaker. You get solid bass response, moderate output
capabilities, and a slightly laid-back presentation that seems quite
compatible with similarly priced equipment. I'd highly recommend these
speakers for those stuck with less-than-ideal placement options for
their speakers, as they seem to work quite well even in cramped
quarters. Considering how nice of job the Audes engineers did on these
speakers, I'm quite glad the crew at Audes has been diverted away from
making fighter jets hostile to the country I live in. 
...Greg Smith 
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600 euro di margine ? 600 euro e' il prezzo a cui le vendi tu ? 600 euro
cosa ? Il chilometrico copia incolla ho evitato di leggerlo come al solito,
tutti kb sprecati.

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La migliore alternativa alle Usher 708 ,rispetto alle quali hanno una
maggiore dolcezza. 
Firrst heard the Audes Studio Monitors at CES, I wasn’t impressed.
Perhaps it was the electronics, the acoustics, or something else, but
they were harsh at the top. Nevertheless, something told me to listen
again. The next day, they sounded much smoother and more robust. These
speakers have a 6 1/2" woofer and a 1" soft-dome tweeter (SEAS), and
are front-ported, which allows them to be placed close to the back
wall without overloading the room with bass. Their frequency range is
49-20k Hz, and they are rated at 8 ohms and 87dB sensitivity. They are
bi-wireable, have a rather flimsy plastic front grill, and weigh a
hefty 31lbs. apiece. They look a little different. Each has two slabs
of solid oak, one on each side of the cabinet, which extend below and
behind the main housing. They look nice. The stands are also oak, and
are very attractive. 
When I first hooked them up they sounded very veiled and unclear, but
this went away within 24 hours. One of my favorite review discs is Big
Bad Voodoo Daddy’s This Beautiful Life. The instruments (cymbals,
bass, and piano), while realistic, were somewhat lightweight, and
lacked the depth and fullness that I’ve heard with other speakers. The
vocals were a little harsh and edgy at the top, but the mids were very
pleasing, and seemed accurate. The horns that I love so much from this
group were right on, possessing that great brass bite. Israel
Kawakawiwo’ole’s Facing Future CD provided an altogether different
listening experience. His delicate, sweet voice was somewhat distant,
and lacking in detail and clarity. The same went for his ukulele
playing, which lacked the warmth and smoothness that I know this disc
can reproduce in my system. Mary Black’s No Frontiers, on the other
hand, was extremely engaging. It seemed as though she was right there
with me in the room. Her music and voice are light and delicate, and
were complemented very well by the Audes. Her voice got a little harsh
at the top on a couple of crescendos, but was mostly easy to listen
to. The acoustic guitar on the track "Fog in Monterey" was so real
that I could have listened to it all day. James Taylor’s Hourglass CD
is well recorded, and a good piece to judge the reproduction of male
voice. On the track "Little More Time With You," my three-year-old
began to clap and dance to the music. Also noticeable was the rich,
deep bass (which seemed much deeper than 49Hz), and smooth,
well-balanced vocals.  
Music that is light in weight is ideal with these speakers, but when
full orchestration or deep bass is predominant, they lack the punch
and depth that I love. However, that costs much more money. They do,
however, sound much deeper than 49Hz much of the time. Their
soundstage is good-sized, and they image nicely. I found them to be
involving and easy to listen to, though they lack some of the clarity
and detail I’ve heard with other speakers, such as the Ruark Prologue
IIs ($2000) or the ATC 7s ($1100). I prefer a more full range speaker,
but if you’re in the market for a mini-monitor for under a grand,
these are worth a listen. Jim Grudzien 
You should know up front that I’m not a fan of mini-monitors, though
the Audes Studios aren’t exactly minis. Each speaker is about the size
of a microwave oven, and just as heavy (31 lbs). The Studios are part
of the Audes Credo line. 
For the purpose of this review, the Studios were compared to the
Magnepan 1.6s in my main system(4000 euro). The Studios were broken in
from previous use. I moved the speakers into various positions until I
located the best balance of bass and midrange clarity. The first thing
that struck me about them was their generous bass. My CD by Buena
Vista Social Club bassist Orlando “Cachaito” Lopez sounded fully
developed, in contrast to the truncated bass response of many speakers
in this class. The Studios lacked only a small measure of definition
and scale when compared to the larger and more expensive Magnepans. As
is characteristic of stand-mounted box speakers, the Audes rendered
well-focused images, but, unlike many similar speakers, they created a
soundspace of considerable dimension, and did not minimize musical
events. Eddie Palmieri’s new CD La Perfecta II, on Concord, is a grand
musical event. Palmieri’s percussive piano mated perfectly with the
Audes’ punchy sound. Soft dome tweeters are generally more pleasing to
me than their metal dome counterparts. The one-inch unit in the Studio
does an admirable job in the sensitive upper regions. Cymbals and
cowbells shimmered with overtones. I could easily distinguish between
the wooden guiros commonly used in Latin Jazz versus the metal guiros
typical of salsa and merengue. 
I found the Audes Studios to be enjoyable speakers of considerable
value. They produce surprising amounts of bass and punchy,
room-filling sound. For $995 , they represent an honest entry into the
pricey world of hi fi. With some patience and five hundred more
dollars, though, the level of refinement available grows
exponentially. Ultimately, the Studios trailed far behind the Magnepan
1.6s. Even without taking into account the large panels’ bipolar wave
launch, the Maggies’ execution of fine details and instrumental timbre
is unparalleled at its price(4000 euro). If I wanted to appreciate the
artistry of Jim Hall and Pat Methneeliminatey playing acoustic
guitars, out went the Audes and in went the Maggies. If I needed to
quickly form an impression of a new component, the 1.6s were called up
for duty. At $995, however, the Audes Studios are definite contenders.
Victor Chavira 
 
Posted by Jerry O ( A ) on February 15, 2002 at 16:05:22  
In Reply to: Which giant killer speakers for up tp $2500? posted by
Samuel on February 15, 2002 at 12:56:00:  
Audes Studio's with matching stands and Gallo powered sub. Regards,
Jerry O.  
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 they weigh 19 pounds each. What's not really clear from a small,
Traduci almeno in centimetri e chilogrammi i pollici e le libbre.
[cut] ma tu le consigli basandoti su questo articolo, redatto da un certo
Greg Smith, senza dire manco chi sia? Potrebbe benissimo essere un redattore
di una rivista prezzolata (quindi, parole tue, caro Berry, inaffidabili), o
potrebbe essere chessň il venditore di questi diffusori per gli USA...

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Ma curati..le ho ascoltate4 e sicuramente piu' di te..le ho
vendute..le hgo ascoltate con altri che sono rimasti a bocca aperta
per la qualita'0 che non siamo abituati ad ascoltare a questi
prezzi.Sono da paragonare a diffusori da 3000 euro e ne costano 1200$
in Usa(listino senza tasse) e 1200 euro in europa(con tasse italiane
del 20%).
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 Ma curati..le ho ascoltate4 e sicuramente piu' di te..le ho
Io non le ho mai ascoltate, ma nemmeno le avevo mai sentite nominare,
altrimenti mica ti chiederei info su queste cassel le Audes Studio 1200 euro
(mi dici il modello esatto, per favore? La marca è Audes oppure Audes
Studio?)
Per favore, mi dici caratteristiche e impressioni di ascolto di questi
diffusori
Audes Studio 1200 euro?
Le caratteristiche timbriche si associano bene all'ascolto di rock, hard
rock e pop?
Sono neutrali? Metalliche? Frizzanti? Calde? Fredde? ...?
Grazie

Studio?)
audes, cerca 
audes.com
 è il loro sito ufficiale

 del 20%).
In USA costano 900-1000 euro tutto compreso = circa 700 euro, basta usare
google.

 Ma curati..
Rimane il fatto gravissiomo che spacci come consigli le tue inserzioni
pubblicitarie..bella trasparenza!
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 tutti kb sprecati.
Non sono sprecati, dimostra che lui non le ha mai ascoltate... e le 
'consiglia'... chissa' come mai eh?
Ciao
Clark Kent 

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detto dal delinquente calunniatore clark..
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 detto dal delinquente calunniatore clark..
Detto dal commerciante prezzolato Berry...
Perche' non ci parli del VERO Best Buy del momento?
Il T-Amp ha sconvolto la collettivita' audiofila e tu neanche due righe?
Ciao
Clark Kent 

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Fare il commerciante e dare le proprie opinioni qui non e'
reato.Calunniare come fai tu SI.
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 reato.Calunniare come fai tu SI.
Falso, il manifesto lo vieta, non sara' un reato penale o civile ma ignori 
volutamente le regole del vivere civile. Dimostri maleducazione insistendo a 
restare dove non sei bene accetto.
Le regole del NG sono state pensate apposta per tenere fuori le persone come 
te.
Fattene una ragione.
Ciao
Clark Kent 

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:09:53 GMT, BERRY wrote:
[...]
HAI SPACCATO IL CAZZO !!!
E non te lo dico solo io, ma tutto il ng...
e adesso tutti in coro:
HAI SPACCATO IL CAZZO !!!
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ciao
stefano

HAI SPACCATO IL CAZZO.
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HAI SPACCATO IL CAZZO.

 reato.Calunniare come fai tu SI.
Hai piu' volte dato del delinquente, ladro e offese di altro genere alle
persone che frequentano questo ng e qui se ne ricordano tutti percio' di
testimoni se ne trovano a bizzeffe (oltre ad avere google come strumento di
ricerca).
Stai molto attento alle accuse che fai... E' un consiglio.
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ciao
stefano

 Stai molto attento alle accuse che fai... E' un consiglio.
Non contando il fatto che e' stato buttato fuori ovunque fosse possibile...
In un eventuale confronto non deporrebbe certo a suo favore.
Comunque se vuole denunciare il NG si accomodi.
Io intanto vado a comprarmi i pop corn... :-)
Ciao
Clark Kent 

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Qunado uno ti calunnia come fa clark kent dirlgli che e' un
delinquente non e' certo un granche'.
E QUI sono registrate TUTTE le sue calunnie!
Non per niente gli e' stato detto:
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 E QUI sono registrate TUTTE le sue calunnie!
Se e' per questo sono registrati anche tutti i tuoi post...
Ciao
Clark Kent 

 TU non sei l'ng.
Vero ma ne hai contro la maggioranza...
Sei stato gentilmente invitato a piantarla di postare messaggi pubblicitari 
e tu cosa hai fatto? Hai incominciato ad insultare a destra e manca. Cosa 
pretendi che la gente rimanga zitta e ti lasci buttare letame sul NG? 
Intanto penso che raccogliere tutte le tue accuse all'indirizzo di 
distributori, marchi e riviste sia un buon punto di inizio. Poi una bella 
serie di E-Mail ai diretti interessati e vediamo quanto duri. Ti va?
Vedi Berry, quando dai del ladro o del venduto a qualcuno devi avere le 
PROVE di quanto dici altrimenti e' calunnia.
Ciao
Clark Kent 

 Ciao Berry
Tu non rispetti le regole del NG , sei solo un abusivo che aprofitta del
fatto che non c'e' nessun moderatore che ti banni.

HAI SPACCATO IL CAZZO.

Domanda: come ti chiami?
Risposta tipica di Berry:
Adam Sandler has always been the most musically inclined. It's only natural
then that the creator of Opera Man and "The Hanukkah Song" would record
What's Your Name, an entirely song-based, and often hilarious, musical
parody record. The album's first song commences with one of Sandler's
trademark nonsense words--a menacing "Schnoin!"--then goes on to tell the
tale of a neighborly old man whose hobby is "Moyda" (or murder). There's
also two spot-on snipes at Bruce Springsteen, "The Lonesome Kicker" and
"Listenin' to the Radio," and one of the most unsettling dance-floor throw
downs you'll ever hear--the P-Funk meets Ween booty-shake of "Dance Like You
Just Shit Your Pants." Sandler ransacks just about every musical genre known
to western humanity, but it's his unrepentant immaturity, more than his
chops, that's sure to make What's Your Name a junior high school bus classic
for years to come. --Matt Hanks

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Curatevi :contatevi e gioite.
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Ecco questo e' delinquere:bravo ,giosci della tua abilita' del cercare di aizzare altri a delinquere.
Insultare te non e' insultare a destra e manca..
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 Insultare te non e' insultare a destra e manca..
Lo avessi fatto solo con me...
Ciao
Clark Kent 

 Curatevi :contatevi e gioite.
Uno.......... :-DDDDD

 Uno.......... :-DDDDD
Facciamo prima a contare i pro Berry...
Ciao
Clark Kent 

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Argh sta risposta vale 4 copia-incolla delle sue testimonianze anonime :-D
PS: due !

BERRY ha scritto:
E tu che ci guadagni?
Un prosciutto ogni 10 ampli?
Ma non fanno tutti schifo gli ht oppure gli ae**** ed i f**e sono 
eccezioni e per questo benedetti dal tuo illuminato giudizio che di 
oggettivo ha solo la fattura che emetti?