Newsgroup: it.diritto.internet
Titolo: Creative Commons e SIAE

Leggevo questa news:
http://www.repubblica.it/2006/06/sezioni/spettacoli_e_cultura/eno-byrne/eno-byrne/eno-byrne.html
se il brano e' dell'81 e (suppongo) al tempo e' stato depositato alla SIAE per 
la commercializzazione in Italia, l'uso che ne suggeriscono Eno e Byrne non e' 
contrario alla normativa italiana (se qualcuno riusa il loro brano dovrebbe 
pagare la SIAE comuqnue)?
Ao Alex 

 pagare la SIAE comuqnue)?
Non mi sembra, perché in questo caso chi detiene i diritti (la casa
discografica) ha ceduto liberamente l'uso, nei limiti della licenza
creative commons, mi è parso di capire.
-- 
 Candido - 
http://candido2k.blogspot.com/

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Dull'uso non saprei dire, ma lo scaricamento gratuito penso violi le
normative SIAE.  Che io sappia, la tassa SIAE va pagata comunque.  Chi
ne sa di più parli.

 ne sa di più parli.
I diritti possono essere ceduti a qualsiasi titolo, quindi anche a
titolo gratuito. In quel caso non ci sono compensi che la SIAE sia
tenuta a ricevere.
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 creative commons, mi è parso di capire.
Pero' nel momento che la gestione dei diritti dell'eventuale versione Italiana 
(ovviamente parlo per utenti italiani che volessero usare quei brani) fosse 
stata assegnata alla siae tramite il deposito non e' solo questa che puo' 
autorizzare la diffusione?
Ricordo qualche anno fa di aver letto su PI di un caso in cui un fan club 
degli 883 a cui Pezzali aveva dato alcuni live da distribuire gratuitamente 
nel sito (che quindi in quella versione non erano in commercio, esattamente 
come i remix dei brani dell'esperimento con Creative commons) che fu 
richiamato dalla SIAE perche' i brani erano depositati e quindi non bastava 
l'autorizzazione degli autori ( 
http://punto-informatico.it/p.aspx?id=195201
 ).
Ao Alex 

 l'autorizzazione degli autori ( 
In quel caso si trattava di una radio web e l'autorizzazione era stata
data dall'autore, non dalla casa discografica, e per la pubblicazione
non nel sito degli 883, ma appunto nella radio del sito del fan club.
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 wrote:
http://www.siae.it/UtilizzaOpere.asp?click_level=0600.0700.0700.0200&link_page=Multimedialita_sitimusicalidiautopromozione.htm&level=0600.0700.0700.0200

 riusa il loro brano dovrebbe pagare la SIAE comuqnue)?
Faccio una considerazione, forse stupida.
Ma i due sono associati alla SIAE e/o hanno dato mandato?
Come funziona per le opere straniere? Tutti gli autori devono dare 
mandato alla SIAE, ci sono accordi fra la varie organizzazioni di 
categorie o le case di produzione?
-- 
Gerry@work - messaggi privati: 
http://www.gerry.it/serve/mail/
Certo mi ricordano molto il Bilbo degli ultimi anni prima della partenza. 
Diceva spesso che la via è unica ed è come un grande fiume: le sue 
sorgenti si trovano davanti ad ogni soglia, ed ogni sentiero ne è 
l'affluente
Frodo Baggins
http://www.gerry.it/
 - 
http://spakkomatto.com/
 
http://members.xoom.it/ifmu2/
 - 
http://www.iscf.info/

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Se l'autore in questione è iscritto allroa sarà lui a pagare la SIAE,
no?
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 no?
Boh.
Le regole son quelle. Poi bisognerebbe vedere che dice il diritto 
internazionale privato, il caso di specie (non ancora verificatosi) e quanto 
prema alla Siae qualsiasi possibile licenza multimediale.
Il problema, secondo me, c'è. 

 Il problema, secondo me, c'è. 
Io non ne vedo, sarà chi gestisce il sito ad avere ogni autorizzazione,
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 no?
Mettiamo che al tempo l'album sia stato rilasciato in Italia e quindi 
depositato (per il mercato italiano) alla SIAE:
- Gli autori/titolari del diritti dicono "lo metto sotto CC e potete 
scaricarlo e remixarlo, anzi le vs rielaborazioni le caricate sul sito e le 
ridistribuiamo pure"
- L'utente italiano usa il sito, scarica (ma e' autorizzato dai titolari, per 
cui l'illecito non dovrebbe esserci, sempre che non si ritengano danneggiati 
gli editori della versione italiana) rimodifica e redistribuisce (al limite 
tramite il sito degli autori), ma cosi' facendo non paga i diritti SIAE
- Gli autori possiamo ipotizzare che dicano "SIAE che? si mangia? per noi 
_ora_ vale la licenza CC" igniari del fatto che se l'avessero depositato alla 
siae per la distribuzione in Italia hanno affidato a questa l'esclusiva per la 
riscossione dei loro diritti in territorio nazionale (fino a 70 anni dalla 
loro morte?).
O mi sbaglio su qualcosa?
Ao Alex 

 autorizzazione, no?
Chi gestisce un sito multimediale italiano e non paga la licenza
multimediale secondo te non ha problemi?
Se l'autore sta in Inghilterra, si fa il sito in Inghilterra e si fa
pubblicità in quel modo partendo dall'Inghilterra allora avrà problemi
inglesi. Ma una filiale italiana retta dalla common law mi lascia un po'
perplesso.
E siccome di diritto internazionale privato ho solo un'infarinatura insisto
nel mio boh.
Per dire che il problema non esiste bisogna avere studiato tanto, solo che
di solito si studia come incassare, non come rinunziare agli incassi.

 depositato (per il mercato italiano) alla SIAE:
In questo caso nemmeno l'autore potrebbe fornire il permesso, ma solo la
siae.
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 multimediale secondo te non ha problemi?
Mi riferivo al sito originale. Per quanto riguarda i siti italiani penso
che il problema si possa porre, ma sottolineo che sarebbe un problema
del singolo gestore italiano, non di liceità in generale della cosa. In
fondo gli autori non hanno rilasciato la licenza ne confronti di un
singolo sito, ma lo hanno fatto nei confronti della totalità degli
utenti. C'è da chiedersi, penso, se le canzoni in questione siano
"tutelate dalla siae" oppure no.
Rimane il fatto che non vedrei una possibile responsabilitò da parte del
sito che rilasciasse un remix in accordo con la licenza in questione,
visto che non spetta di certo a lui di conoscere i rapporti che l'autore
ha nei confronti della siae (tanto più che è la siae stessa a
specificare che sono gli autori che devono rimandare a lei gli utenti
che richiedano un accordo...).
In poche parole, penso che problemi proprio non ce ne siano.
Ecco, comunque, la licenza rilasciata dal sito in questione.
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