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Titolo: thailandia

Ciao a tutti,
qualcuno mi sa dire se in thailandia c'è il problema della "sars"?
Mi hanno sconsigliato di andare questa estate.
Grazie

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mah...di sars non se ne sente parlare.....questo non vuol dire che sia
sparita del tutto...
comunque in estate non è che ci sia il migliore tempo ...piove..monsoni
ecc..
poi dipende dove vuoi andare a cosa vuoi fare/vedere...la Thailandia è ricca
di molte cose belle da vedere...
ciao
Rob

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 qualcuno mi sa dire se in thailandia c'è il problema della "sars"?
speriamo che ci sia...
-- 
Non bastano tutti i cammelli del deserto per comprarti un amico.

 > qualcuno mi sa dire se in thailandia c'č il problema della "sars"?
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Io sono stato la scorsa estate e non c'era nessun problema....
Il controllo (!!!) per la sars passando il confine con la birmania è stato
fantastico, dovevi passare davanti ad un medico, se non tossivi potevi
entrare....

> qualcuno mi sa dire se in thailandia c'è il problema della "sars"?
è una battuta vero?
peccato che il primo aprile sia già passato da una paio di settimane.....
Easy!

 in modo tale che ci siano meno tutisti e si possa vedere meglio?
no, perchč cosě fanno le offerte per i voli come l'anno scorso
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 peccato che il primo aprile sia già passato da una paio di settimane.....
Peccato piuttosto che dai consigli (da residente!..) su cose delle quali non
hai chiaramente la più pallida idea...
Il vice ministro dell'agricoltura Newin Chidchob ha ufficialmente dichiarato
il 9 aprile 2004 che nuovi casi di SARS sono stati verificati nelle province
di Chonburi (quella dove c'è la città con una delle maggiori concentrazioni
di turisti in Thailandia: Pattaya) e Khon Kaen. Entrambe le province sono
ora sotto gli obbligatori periodi di 3 settimane di "stretto controllo
sanitario" (che parlando della Thailandia significa che nessuno noterà
nulla, te compreso infatti).
La Thailandia è il secondo paese al mondo come numero di morti da influenza
aviara passata agli esseri umani: 8 morti (dopo il Vietnam con 15).
FIGJAM

aviara passata agli esseri umani: 8 morti (dopo il Vietnam con 15).
ah! ecco, i polli, i fratellini della sars, giustappunto... non è anche tu
hai fatto un pò di confusione?
comunque, mammmmaaa miiiaaaaaa, 8 (OTTO!!!) morti!!!!!!
credo che nel mondo siano stati molti di più i morti per fame o stenti
dovuti alla crisi aconomica che la malattia ha portato, ma questo ovviamente
non importa a nessuno, te compreso.
Easy!
PS: ho fatto una ricerca in google groups e non c'è traccia di te in IHV.
Che strano......che Taksin sia arrivato perfino lì????
oppure, ora che il turismo in Thailandia sta ripartendo alla grande, non è
che riparte alla grande anche il partito trasversale? e non è che tu, sotto
mentite spoglie, ne fai parte?
Ma nooooo! le teorie del complotto sono solo delle pessime vie per fare del
vittimismo gratuito, quindi preferisco optare per l'ipotesi di cui sopra.
Senza offesa, ovviamente :-)

 Senza offesa, ovviamente :-)
Quindi io avrei interesse a minare la ripartenza (a proposito, è reale?) del
turismo in Thailandia?? :o)
Io non ho nulla di specifico contro la Thailandia, mia moglie per inciso è
Thailandese ed io ho vissuto li per più di un paio d'anni e sono solo
recentemente rientrato in Italia (senza nessuna intenzione di tornare in
Thailandia a breve).
Se qualcuno mi chiede consigli sul visitare o meno la Thailandia io li avevo
semplicemente CONTRO IL VISITARE QUALUNQUE PAESE DOVE NON C'E' LA CULTURA E
NON CI SONO LE LEGGI OCCIDENTALI.
Il fatto, che ti sfido proprio a confutare, è che in paesi come ad es. la
Thailandia tu come straniero (e, più grave ancora, come caucasico bianco)
NON HAI ALCUN DIRITTO ED ALCUNA PROTEZIONE.
Il fatto che milioni di turisti all'anno non hanno problemi non cambia la
situazione di una virgola.
SONO SICURO che anche tu potresti raccontare parecchie storie dell'orrore...
Io come viaggiatore solitario posso anche accettare il rischio (basso ma se
qualcosa va storto è L'INFERNO SULLA TERRA) se è un rischio "informato", ma
non andrei mai fuori dalla protezione della bolla di civiltà dei paesi
occidentali con la mia famiglia ed i miei figli...
Ed io era uno che ne aveva le palle piene dell'Italia prima di vedere con i
miei occhi come vanno le cose nel resto del mondo!!!
Aggiungo, per non rovinarti gli affari (che TU hai nel settore, non certo io
che sto per iscrivermi in uni), che se proprio si vuole visitare il sud-est
asiatico meglio 100 volte (dal punto di vista della sicurezza) la Thailandia
che i suoi vicini Myanmar, Cambogia, Laos e (ma in questo caso siamo quasi
agli stessi livelli) Malesia.
Questo NON significa che IO personalmente non ci tornerei (da solo, sotto
certe condizioni e sapendo quello che so).
Ad es. ho girato per mesi la Cambogia e mi è piaciuta molto più della
Thailandia (ma non ci porterei mai nessuno al quale tenga).
FIGJAM

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For more information on the great 1918 Flu pandemic, and the SARS
feared-pandemic, see the fascinating and comprehensive 'SARS AND THE
1918 FLU' web page at 
http://www.survivalistskills.com/1918FLU.HTM
You'll also finf the fascinating 'Emerging Viruses' page, at
http://www.survivalistskills.com/EMVIRBK.HTM
, to be of interest.
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FOX AND CAT JOIN CIVET CAT AS CONFIRMED SARS CARRIERS 
 
www.chinaview.cn
,
17 April, 2004
BEIJING, April 17 (Xinhuanet) -- Chinese scientists have found that
the coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome(SARS) is
also carried by foxes and cats, not just civets, according to the
Guangzhou Evening Newspaper.
Lin Jinyan, the leader of a SARS control and prevention research team
in south China's Guangdong Province, reported in a seminar held in
Guangzhou that other wild animals were also found to carry the virus.
The team had tested thousands of people carrying SARS antibodies in 16
cities in Guangdong and found that among 994 people working in animal
markets, 10.6 percent carried positive antibodies, and among 123 civet
cat husbandry staff, only 3.25 percent tested positive.
Experts have also tested foxes, hedgeshrews and cats collected in the
province and discovered that some carried the SARS coronavirus.
On January 16, World Health Organization experts claimed that SARS or
a SARS-like coronavirus was linked to civet cats.
WHO epidemiologist Robert Breiman said it's possible that otheranimals
were also involved in the spread of SARS.
 
Source: 
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-04/17/content_1425193.htm
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NEWSPAPER FEELING HEAT FROM BEIJING
CENSORSHIP: Top staff face embezzlement charges, but many see the case
as a test of Chinese officials' promise to tolerate greater freedom of
expression
Taipei Times
NY TIMES NEWS SERVICE, 
GUANGZHOU 
April 17, 2004.
 
After two years of state-imposed firings and staff reassignments and
the suspension of one of its sister publications, the Chinese
authorities have sharply stepped up their tactics in a campaign to
rein in China's most widely respected news organization.
In recent weeks, alleging managerial corruption, provincial courts
have handed down harsh prison sentences for senior executives of the
Southern media group's Southern Metropolitan Daily and have initiated
charges against the newspaper's top editor.
The provincial authorities in Guangzhou, China's third-largest city
and a longstanding incubator of innovative journalism, have accused
the newspaper's leaders of embezzlement. But reporters throughout the
country and international advocates of press freedom see the case as a
major test of China's new, reform-minded leaders' pledges to transform
the country into a law-based society that tolerates greater freedom of
expression.
Chinese journalists say that more than any other publications,
Southern Metropolitan Daily and its sister magazine, Southern Weekend,
the country's most popular weekly, have been responsible for
reinventing the Chinese press, by creating a journalism that even
within the constraints of state ownership and censorship pushes for
the truth.
In the last several years the publications have broken news about
deaths in police custody and environmental damage related to the huge
Three Gorges dam pro-ject and have celebrated repeated scoops over the
outbreak, cover-up and then recurrence of the SARS virus.
If the newspaper's leaders lose their judicial appeals, journalists
from the Southern media group, Chinese intellectuals and colleagues
from other publications say, the embattled newspaper will have also
exposed the limits of free expression and political reform in their
country.
In an unusually bold petition, dozens of prominent journalists and
academics have decried the prosecutions as the "illegal use of all
kinds of measures, including juridical methods to limit press freedoms
and crack down on the media and limit its space."
If the persecution of the newspaper did not end, the signers warned
that "the authority and credibility of the party and the government
bodies and the legislature will be questioned, and news media whose
responsibility is to push the society forward will find it difficult
to survive."
Although the official charge was embezzlement of bonuses, most
observers believe the most immediate apparent cause for the Southern
Metropolitan Daily's legal troubles was its reporting, last December,
of a suspected reemergence of the SARS virus.
Yu Huafeng, the newspaper's general manager, was recently sentenced to
12 years in prison. Li Minying, a former editor-in-chief, was
sentenced to an 11-year-term. Cheng Yizhong, the paper's top editor,
is under arrest and has also been charged with embezzlement.
"The convictions and trials are a severe blow to the country's media
reforms," said Xiao Qiang, director of the University of
California-Berkeley's China Internet project.
"It shows the leadership fears the country's press might be getting
out of control, and has decided to strike back," Xiao said.
The Southern media group has curious origins for a muckraking paper
that regularly irritates the authorities. It was founded in 1997 by
the provincial Communist Party, just as the region's economic growth
kicked into high gear.
For weeks, reporters and editors at the newspaper and at Southern
Weekend have been unwilling to speak publicly about their situation
for fear of inviting further trouble for their publications, or being
made targets themselves.
Privately, however, several spoke of an atmosphere of fear, but also
of intense pride at what their journalism has been able to accomplish.
"There is an end-of-an-era feeling about this building, filled with
all kinds of feelings: depression, sadness and anger," said one
newsroom veteran.
But even if the news staff realized it had to be cautious for now, the
reporter said, it would be difficult to stop the push for freer
expression.
"I don't think you can say we are all afraid," he said, speaking on
condition of anonymity. "If it closes it closes, but that would create
a very strong feeling among people -- both readers and within the
industry."
Another staff member from the group echoed a view shared by many
journalists.
"If they close the Southern Daily, it wouldn't matter," he said. "The
newspaper's example has already been absorbed by journalists all over
China, and their goal is not just to copy it, but to do even better."
SOURCE: 
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/04/17/2003137003
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PUBLISH AND BE DAMNED 
The imprisonment of editors of an outspoken newspaper has sparked new
protests over the limits on China's media freedom, says Jonathan Watts
Beijing dispatch,
The Guardian [UK], 
April 16, 2004 
A year ago, the editors of the Southern Metropolitan Daily were hailed
as heroes for pushing back the boundaries of media freedom in China.
Now they are languishing in jail, the victims of a revenge campaign by
the authorities whose corruption, incompetence and cover-ups they
exposed.
That, at least, is the view of their supporters, who have launched an
unusually vocal campaign to secure the release of the three in a case
that has highlighted the growing pressure for press liberty in this
authoritarian state.
Yu Huafeng, Li Minying, and Cheng Yizhong, the former senior editors
of the pioneering daily, based in Guangzhou, Guangdong province, face
up to 12 years in prison.
They are ostensibly being punished for embezzling state funds, but
their biggest "crime" could more accurately be described as
embarrassing local police and health officials with a series of
powerful scoops.
Under the trio's leadership, the Southern Metropolitan Daily and its
sister publication, the Southern Weekend, set new standards of
hard-hitting journalism in China.
Although the newspaper is nominally controlled by the local Communist
party, it was able to thrive in the relatively liberal climate of
Guandong, which was the first Chinese province to benefit from the
opening-up policy initiated in 1978, and is now a centre for domestic
entrepreneurs and foreign manufacturers.
With its reputation and readership spreading nationwide, the paper
last year ran several scoops that influenced central government
policies and led to the dismissal of senior officials in Beijing and
Guangzhou - something that would have been unheard of a few years ago.
At the start of the Sars crisis in late 2002, when the Southern
Metropolitan Daily consistently broke news about the disease and
official attempts at a cover-up, its circulation surged above 1.2
million, up by around 20% from two years earlier.
The daring stories, which were widely emulated by other media
organisations as the outbreak spread across the country, contributed
to the forced resignations of the health minister and the mayor of
Beijing. This was hailed as a sign that the popular new Chinese
government of the president, Hu Jintao, and the prime minister, Wen
Jiabao, was ready to loosen constraints on the press.
Such hopes were raised by the response to another Southern
Metropolitan Daily scoop last April. It told the story of the death in
police custody of a college student who had been detained and beaten
up for failing to show his ID - a common fate for migrant workers.
The Sun Zhigang affair, as it became known, forced the central
government to rewrite police regulations and address the plight of the
huge population of itinerant labourers.
But it may also have sealed the fate of the newspaper's editors.
According to the local media, the Sun Zhigang report crushed the
promotion prospects of the Ghuangzhou police chief, who begged the
newspaper not to break the story, and then vowed revenge after it
published.
The local government has denied that the subsequent crackdown is a
form of retribution, but the timing of Yu's initial detention - only
days after the Southern Metropolitan Daily broke the news of the
return of Sars in late December - has created far more sceptics than
believers.
Yu and Li were formally arrested in February, and sentenced to 11 and
12 years in jail for using advertising revenue to pay staff bonuses.
Prosecutors argued that this was a form of embezzlement, because the
income should have gone to the Communist party-run parent company.
Cheng, the former editor in chief, was arrested last month, and now
faces similar charges.
A growing number of critics believe that the charges have been trumped
up to punish editors for their refusal to toe the party line. In a
rare challenge to the authorities, a group of prominent academics and
media leaders have held symposiums, set up websites, and filed a
petition against what they have described as "illegal measures" to
limit press freedoms.
Unless the crackdown against the Southern Metropolitan Daily is called
off, the petitioners warn that "the authority and credibility of the
party, government bodies and the legislature will be questioned, and
news media will find it difficult to survive".
After giving so much ground to the media during the Sars crisis, it
would be astonishing if the authorities backed down again. Instead,
Yu, Li and Cheng, the severed heads of the Southern Metropolitan
Daily, are likely to be held up as a warning to other journalists
about the perils of overstepping the tight limits imposed on the
Chinese media.
However, that is unlikely to be the end of the battle. The
increasingly competitive pressures at work in the Chinese media will
push papers to print more circulation-boosting scoops.
The country's leaders, Mr Hu and Mr Wen, must also be asked how their
image as "men of the people" can be reconciled with a crackdown on
attempts to inform the public about official wrongdoing and health
risks.
 
SOURCE: 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,1193529,00.html
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SARS INTERIM REPORT 'VERY CRITICAL'
By HELEN BRANSWELL,
Canoe.ca (Canadian Press),
April 15, 2004 
TORONTO (CP) - The Ontario Superior Court judge investigating what
went wrong with the province's handling of last year's SARS outbreak
delivered an interim report to Health Minister George Smitherman on
Thursday.
A source said the report dealt exclusively with the public health
response to the outbreak and was "very critical."
Justice Archie Campbell personally presented Smitherman with the
report, which makes recommendations for change. A spokesman for the
SARS commission headed by Campbell suggested the judge is keen to see
a quick release of the document.
Smitherman indicated he plans to release it in about a week, though
some translation of the 200-page report into French must be done
first.
"Once we've got some translation done, we'll get that out in the
public," said the minister, who added he'll likely read it over the
weekend.
"I'm anxious to get my eyes on it. As soon as I've had a chance to do
that, and to get it out there in the public domain, then I'll be able
to comment further."
Smitherman said Campbell told him the report was based on interviews
with or submissions from some 300 Ontario residents.
Campbell has held two sets of public hearings. But the bulk of his
fact-finding has occurred behind closed doors, in interviews with all
the key players in the crisis as well as front-line public health and
hospital workers.
A former provincial deputy attorney general, Campbell was appointed
last June by then-premier Ernie Eves to conduct an independent
investigation into the way the province handled the deadly disease.
His final report was expected by the end of this year but may not be
ready until early 2005, the commission spokesman said.
A federal government investigation into the outbreak, headed by Dr.
David Naylor of the University of Toronto, was released last October.
It criticized the inadequate and ill co-ordinated responses of all
levels of government, highlighting severe, ingrained problems that
exacerbated the scope of the Toronto crisis.
Ontario's SARS outbreak killed 44 people. There were a total of 247
probable and 128 suspect cases of the disease.
SOURCE: 
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/04/15/pf-422428.html
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For more information on the great 1918 Flu pandemic, and the SARS
feared-pandemic, see the fascinating and comprehensive 'SARS AND THE
1918 FLU' web page at 
http://www.survivalistskills.com/1918FLU.HTM
.
You'll also finf the fascinating 'Emerging Viruses' page, at
http://www.survivalistskills.com/EMVIRBK.HTM
, to be of interest.


Una ragazza non ha problemi. Direi piuttosto che i "polli" italiani stiano
attenti alle "galline" thailandesi, sono molto più pericolose della Sars. Ti
spellano senza cuocerti :-))
Angelo

 certe condizioni e sapendo quello che so).
Minchia!!!!!!!!
Ragazzi, FIGJAM, sprezzante del pericolo, è disposto a tornare in Thailandia
e sfidare tutti i pericoli che questo oscuro Paese cela nei suoi
meandri!!!!!
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!! :-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Easy!

 ROTFL!!!!!!!!!! :-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Occhio a non pisciare sulle scarpe sbagliate mentre sei in Thailandia,
mantieni un basso profilo, non perdere mai la calma, tieniti pronto ad
inghiottire l'orgoglio e soprattutto lascia sempre un paio di valigie pronte
a portata di mano per un'"uscita veloce"...
Mi sa che sei un poppante e non hai capito ancora un cazzo dell'Asia.
*chock dee*
FIGJAM


infatti aspetto che me lo insegni tu (anche se molto hai già fatto).
Sai anche cos'altro aspetto e non continuerò questa discussione (che per
altro inizia a diventare noiosa) con uno sconosciuto
Easy!

 altro inizia a diventare noiosa) con uno sconosciuto
Addio.
FIGJAM
P.S. Se sei bravo con le ricerche in rete la mia identità la scopri se è
così importante per te. Ho iniziato a postare con un nickname solo da
qualche anno (per buone ragioni).

 così importante per te.
ma perchè la devi fare tanto lunga? per quale motivo mi mandi a cercare in
rete in un NG che non sia questo e senza sapere che nick o che nome usavi?
di che cosa hai paura a darmi il tuo nome? sprizzi certezze da tutti i pori
e poi ti nascondi dietro un nick? non sarai mica di quelli che tirano il
sasso e nascondono la mano? Anzi, se io fossi così certo ed orgoglioso di
quanto scrivo, sarei anche fiero di porvi sopra una firma ufficiale per
garantirmene la paternità :-))
Ripeto, di che cosa hai paura? che ti segnali davvero all'Ambasciata di
Roma? vai tranquillo, quelle sono cose che si dicono ma che poi non si fanno
:-))))
Semplicemente, visto che tu sai chi sono io, perchè vuoi mandare avanti una
"lotta impari"? :-))))
Easy!