Newsgroup: it.hobby.viaggi
Titolo: Da Mosca a Cheboksary... in treno!

Tempo immemore fa pubblicai un post dove chiedevo informazioni su 
compagnie aeree che servivano gli aeroporti di Nizhniy Novgorod o di 
Kazan per raggiungere la città di Cheboksary (si sta parlando di 
Russia), prevedendo di fare un viaggio di lavoro da quelle parti; beh, 
sembra che il mio cliente voglia spedirmi li... in treno! Partendo da 
Mosca verso le otto di sera, per poi arrivare li in treno verso le sette 
del giorno dopo!!!
Qualcuno ha qualche idea di come sia il servizio ferroviario da quelle 
parti? Non che il nostro sia messo bene (anzi!!!) ma posso sperare in 
qualcosa di "decente" oppure devo cercare di far ragionare il mio 
cliente (spiegandogli magari che gli aeroporti in questione distano 
circa 200km che non sono poi tantissimi...)?
Grazie a chi mi risponderà!
Francesco

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ma scusa un bel volo Mosca-Cheboksary non va bene? 
http://www.yoshkar-ola.com/travel/cities/cheboksary/tickets.shtml
 

  ciao,
  ho viaggiato sui treni russi .... non sono ne piu' ne meno comei nostri .. 
anche se le loro carrozze sono vecchiotte pero hanno televisori al plasma 
film (purtroppo) inlingua russa.
  sia i voli che i treni interni sono molto lunghi come tempo ad esempio 
Mosca Ryazan sono circa 150 km con il loro usperstar ci mette 2 ore (Putin 
parte con il suojet da Ryazan)
  "Lady golpe" <quu...@hot.coooom> ha scritto nel messaggio 
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Non so di treni in Russia, ma tieni presente che negli ultimi anni in
Russia ci sono stati moltissimi attacchi contro stranieri. Io eviterei
di andare se possibile.

 di andare se possibile.
Mai avuta notizia di simili "attacchi"! Se parli di attacchi 
terroristici in genere, possiamo parlarne ma di attacchi motivati da 
xenofobia... lascia stare!
Francesco

 xenofobia... lascia stare!
Stai scherzando? Fai una ricerca su Google in chiave "attacks",
"foreigners", "Moscow". Questi sono solo tre dei primi risultati...
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/02/23/usdenmarkindia.shtml
"Spate of Attacks Registered Against Foreigners in Moscow
Created: 23.02.2005 13:44 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 13:44 MSK
Citizens of the United States, Denmark and India have suffered a
variety of attacks in Moscow in recent days.
The U.S. citizen, Carl Francis Strauss, working for a U.S. company in
Moscow, told the police that unknown persons had broken into his
apartment Monday night and stolen jewelry costing 662,000 rubles (over
$23,000). Criminal proceedings have been instigated in connection with
the incident.
A similar incident occurred at the apartment of Danish citizen, Erik
Rasmessen, director general of Emborg, a food delivery company.
Rasmessen told the police that unknown persons had forced the lock of
his apartment and stolen a laptop computer, clothing and other
valuables costing 900,000 rubles.
On Tuesday night, eight unknown people attacked two Indian citizens.
The attackers stabbed the Indians in the back before running away. The
Indians are currently in the Sklifosovsky First Aid Institute, though
doctors say there condition is not life-threatening. The police have
suggested the attackers may have been extremist "skinheads"."
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/01/17/rabbiattacked.shtml
"Rabbi Falls Victim to Hate Attack in Moscow
Created: 17.01.2005 09:05 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 09:05 MSK
President of the Magen League, Professor and Rabbi Alexander Lakshin
was attacked in Moscow on Friday evening, the Interfax news agency
reported on Monday citing a source in the Federation of Russian Jewish
Communities.
Lakshin, his friend Rabbi Ruven Kuravsky and two brothers of the
rabbi's wife, aged nine and ten, were returning home after visiting
friends.
Six or seven young men, aged from 16 to 25, saw the rabbis in an
underground crossing on Sushchevsky Val street and began shouting
anti-Semitic insults. The rabbis took the children's hands and
separated in an attempt to escape from the attackers.
Lakshin was seriously injured, but his condition is not critical, the
agency reported. "
http://english.mn.ru/english/issue.php?2004-42-9
"Foreigners Rally against Racism in St. Petersburg
MosNews.com
A series of attacks against ethnic minorities and foreigners living or
studying in Russia have been the steady source of material for the
Russian media throughout 2004, alarmingly increasing in the last
several of months
On Sunday, over 300 people held a rally against racism in St.
Petersburg. Most of the protesters were foreign students studying in
Russia. Members of the liberal Yabloko party, the rightist Union of
Right Forces party and the Workers' Democracy movement also took part
in the protest. The rally was held on the birthday of the renowned
human rights activist, academic and nationalism expert Nikolai Girenko
who was shot dead in June this year. The demonstrators carried placards
with portraits of Girenko and a Vietnamese student who was recently
killed in St. Petersburg in a suspected racist attack. The protestors
also carried placards with slogans like "No to Nationalism!" and "Black
and White Fight on the Chessboard Only!" The demonstrators participated
in a memorial service at the cemetery where Nikolai Girenko was buried.
Academician and anti-racist expert Nikolai Girenko was shot through the
closed door of his apartment in June this year. Shortly after the
assassination a Russian nationalist group Russian Republic claimed
responsibility for his death.
Attacks against foreigners are becoming a regular occurrence in Russia.
One of the most vicious attacks against non-Russians that started the
already infamous Hate-Crime Wave of 2004, took place in St. Petersburg.
In February of this year, a group of teenagers armed with chains, bats
and knives stabbed a nine-year-old girl to death and savagely beat her
father and her cousin near their home in the center of St. Petersburg.
A citizen of Belgium was attacked and robbed in Moscow on October 25.
Three unidentified attackers threatened him with a knife and beat him
up, Russian Information Agency Novosti reported. The Belgian, who works
as accountant at a Moscow company, was taken to hospital. His
Mitsubishi car was stolen, the agency reported.
On the same day, two men from the Caucasus region were taken to
hospital with stab wounds. Both of them were attacked by a group of
unidentified youths. The attackers beat up their victims, stabbed and
robbed them.
Also on October 25, a Muscovite beat up his fellow student, an Indian
national. The attacker was later detained by the police. The Indian was
taken to hospital with head injuries and a fractured nose.
It appears that no one is safe. Moscow Spartak FC's Cameroon player Luc
Zoa will not play any more games this season, after an attack by
unknown assailants in broad daylight in Moscow left him with a
concussion. Zoa, who was born in Cameroon, and his girlfriend were
sitting on a bench in northern Moscow Wednesday afternoon when four
people they did not know approached them and started hitting Zoa, the
Russian Information Agency Novosti reported. He was taken to hospital
in an ambulance, then released. He was confined to bed with a serious
concussion.
Earlier last month, on October 13, a student from Vietnam was killed in
St. Petersburg. The 20-year-old student's body was found near the
dormitory of a medical institute, with numerous stab wounds, Interfax
news agency reported. He died at the scene. According to preliminary
information, several youths armed with knives attacked Vu Anh Tuan. Six
people have been detained in connection with the incident, the agency
reported. Criminal proceedings were instigated under the article for
murder. Deputy city prosecutor, Alexander Zhukov, quoted by the agency,
did not rule out that extremist organizations could have taken part in
the killing. Vu Anh Tuan was a first year student of the Polytechnical
Institute. His relatives also lived in the dormitory. Vietnamese
students held a rally in St. Petersburg on Wednesday night protesting
against skinheads.
At the end of September, three youths from the Central Russian city of
Voronezh were sentenced to seventeen, ten and nine years in prison for
stabbing a student from Guinea Bissau to death. On Monday, a citizen of
Kenya was attacked by a group of high school students, not far from
where the student from Guinea Bissau was killed. A prosecutor's office
in Voronezh has also charged another three of the local citizens with
an armed attack on foreigners. A source in the local law enforcement
structures quoted by Interfax news agency said that the three had
attacked a dormitory where 30 citizens of Turkey lived. The attackers
ordered the Turks to give them all their money. They beat the Turks,
threatened them with a gun and took their money away, the source said.
On October 11, a citizen of Kenya was attacked in the same city, 300
meters from the place Lima was killed."


Non mi pronuncio sulla tua asserzione..anche se ho una mia idea!
ma da qui a dire di evitare di andarci se possibile....
mi cadono le braccia.
ma dove vivete voi? in italia i turisti vengono rapinati ogni giorno... 


Mi sembra un allarmismo esagerato.
Anche in Italia ci sono furti in abitazioni di stranieri e, purtroppo, 
aggressioni a stranieri, soprattutto se di pelle scura come i due 
indiani picchiati a Mosca.
Di li' a dire che in Italia ci sono  " moltissimi attacchi contro 
stranieri "  e sconsigliare di andare in Italia ce ne passa ......
-- 
federicop
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per scrivermi elimina la china

 stranieri "  e sconsigliare di andare in Italia ce ne passa ......
Buona fortuna 8-)

 Francesco
Beh io il tuo portatile lo ruberei se non fosse cosě pesante ;-)
Dasvidania