Newsgroup: it.comp.giochi.sportivi.hattrick
Titolo: Dalla "Defense Trainers"

Riporto qui un post, IMHO molto interessante, apparso nella
federazione degli allenatori di difesa.
In poche parole, per chi non conosce l'inglese, HT-Bjorn dice che
l'apporto di un difensore offensivo al CA non cambia rispetto a un
difensore "difensivo" o "normale".
Da: GM-Shmaarts     
A: Tutti  1333175.1 
07/06/2004 alle 11:18  
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By: GM-Bodiroga
To: Everyone
When placing a defender "offensive", does he reduce his contribution
to Counter-attack? This is not specified in the rules and, altough I
think the answer is yes, it would be fine to make sure and let people
know.
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By: GM-oatvt
To: GM-Bodiroga
I don't think it reduces his contribution to the CA-ability.
Your ability to counter-attack (assuming you are the non-dominant on
the midfield, as described above) depends on the total sum of Defender
skill and Passing skill among the defenders of your team. Strictly
defenders count, so if you play 5-4-1, you will have the defender and
passing skills of 5 of your players summing up to your counter-attack
ability.
As I read it, it's just about if it's a defender or not, in spite of
his order.
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By: GM-Bodiroga
To: GM-oatvt
That's what I think too, but I'd like to be sure ...
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By: HT-Bjorn
To: GM-Bodiroga
The rules only speaks of "defenders" without saying anything about
what special orders they have. Thus, individual orders such as
"offensive" does not affect CA skill.
Although I can understand your question, the rules really would become
a mess if we started talking about which things do NOT matter. So, if
ever in doubt, assume that if the rules does not mention something,
then that "something" does not exist.
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By: GM-Shmaarts
To: HT-Bjorn
hmm ... but ... If defender plays ofensive, he gives a bit less to
defense. So ... weaker defense gives less chances to get a counter
attack ...
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By: GM-Bodiroga
To: HT-Bjorn
ok, understood :)
My question was because of what Shmaarts says, that's why I had doubts
on this.
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By: HT-Bjorn
To: GM-Shmaarts
Yes, I understand why this is confusing, but if you read the rules
literally, it speaks of "defender skill and passing skill", not
"contribution to defense" or anything like that. It is the skills that
matter.
Defender skill and passing skill of your defenders. The rules are not
really unclear - the problem is that you feel uncertain whether the
rules are really meaning exactly what they say. I'm afraid they don't
always do that, but in this case at least they are very precise. :)
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The end of this discussion is even more interesting (one sentence by
HT-Bjorn), but ... damn ... I'm not allowed to post that ... :) 
 
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 difensore "difensivo" o "normale".
Mi raccomando, fai un pensierino anche alla Federazione Italiana Allenatori
Difesa  (F.I.A.D.).
I nuovi membri sono benvenuti! ;)
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http://sport.supereva.it/leoschildren/FAQ
 - FAQ di HT

I nuovi membri sono benvenuti! ;)
Ci sono almeno altre 2 federazioni a cui mi piacerebbe partecipare...
Ma sono già al limite e per ora non voglio abbandonare quelle a cui
sono iscritto :( 
Se per caso innalzano il limite con HT 6.6 (non si sa mai), garantisco
che mi iscrivo! :)
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 che mi iscrivo! :)
Io ti aspetto! ;)
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 HT-Bjorn), but ... damn ... I'm not allowed to post that ... :)
Why ? Eddai, postalo lo stesso, prometto che non vado a raccontarlo in
giro... :)
Ciao,
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Hattrick Newsgroup Federation. La Gazzetta di Hattrick

 difensore "difensivo" o "normale".
e beh?
cioč...per me era una cosa normale.
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giro... :)
ehehe vallo a dire a GM-Shmaarts! :)
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cioč...per me era una cosa normale.
Come dice Bjorn, se le regole vengono interpretate parola per parola,
non ci sono dubbi. 
Non era perň un ragionamento sbagliato pensare che, visto l'apporto
difensivo minore di un difensore offensivo, il CA sia meno efficace.
O almeno: a me non sembrava un discorso insensato, almeno fino a
quando non ho letto la smentita di Bjorn...
Ciao
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 quando non ho letto la smentita di Bjorn...
boh, sarà che non mi faccio troppi problemi :P
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