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Titolo: E' possibile?

Chiedo lumi sul significato di "to table": e' possibile che nell'inglese
americano abbia un significato opposto dell'inglese UK? 
Ossia che significhi nel gergo politico (table a bill) "rinviare una
discussione a tempo indeterminato".
Grazie a tutti
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 discussione a tempo indeterminato".
vai sul sito webster online
http://www.m-w.com/
imposta TABLE in corrispondenza di "Merrian Webster online dictionary",
GO
seleziona la seconda voce (trans,verb) ed ecco:
2 a British : to place on the agenda b : to remove (as a parliamentary
motion) from consideration indefinitely c : to put on a table
Oppure
http://it.wordreference.com/it/translation.asp?enit=table&v=b
ciao,
francesca
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Non e' possiblile.  E' certo.  Inoltre e' un termine usato non solo nel
gergo politico, ma nel linguaggio comune.  You can table a discussion,
an idea, etc.  (postpone it to a later date).  I think it's strange
that it means the opposite of the italian "intavolare".
bye
ari

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Direi che dipende molto da quale lato dell'Atlantico uno si trova:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=80941&dict=CALD
In Inghilterra: proporre per discussione immediata.
Negli Usa: rimandare la discussione.
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Xakero

 
http://it.wordreference.com/it/translation.asp?enit=table&v=b
Qualche esempio del suo uso recente nell'inglese britannico:
QUOTE
If Mr Fischler cannot persuade Europe's political leaders of the need for
urgent reform, he will not be able to table proposals to the WTO which have
any chance of being taken seriously.
UNQUOTE
Source: The Economist, "Scything farm subsidies", Jan 23rd 2003
QUOTE
The United States is fully committed to completing the DDA by the agreed
deadline of 2005. We have already tabled far-reaching proposals in
agriculture, industrial and consumer goods, and services, to highlight the
primary goal of the WTO: to open access to markets and to spur growth and
development.
UNQUOTE
Source: The Economist, "Unleashing the trade winds", Dec 5th 2002
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Xakero

 discussione a tempo indeterminato".
Qui sotto alcuni esempi del suo uso statunitense:
QUOTE
As a result, the commission decided to drop the idea and table the dog park
altogether until a better location is found. Proponents, however, are
unhappy with the decision and say the process was unbalanced.
UNQUOTE	
Source: 
http://www.svcn.com/archives/lgwt/01.30.02/dogpark-0205.html
QUOTE:
Joe Brennan motioned to table the proposal until the next meeting so that
the suggested changes can be made. Donna Terbizan provided the second.
Motion carried.
UNQUOTE
Source: 
http://www.ndsu.edu/gradschool/minutes/minutes16.shtml
QUOTE
Peter Anderson moved to table the proposal pending development of a policy
about such stipends, Mike Tommy mentioned that the Executive Committee
would entertain an edited proposal that would include an agenda.  Unanimous
vote to table.
UNQUOTE
http://www.vita-learn.org/html/min3-20-00.html
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It may seem contradictory that here in the US, if we say that a
proposal was tabled, we mean it was taken out of discussion.
"The action to reconsider a tabled motion requires a motion and a
second, and is not debatable." (Robert's rules of order)
http://www.agnr.umd.edu/users/NERA/workshop/robert.html
If a proposal is still open for discussion, we say it is "still
on the table".
"Land Swap is Still on the Table"
http://appserv.pace.edu/execute/page.cfm?doc_id=7049
To clarify (?), a tabled motion is one which is no longer
on the table, but when a tabled motion is reconsidered,
it is back on the table, and is no longer tabled.  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 proposal was tabled, we mean it was taken out of discussion.
Well, it is... At any rate, good to know.
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Bye, FB
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I think the same seemingly contradictory usage exists in the UK.
"Tabled" = "Off the table" (not open for discussion).
"On the table" = open for discussion.
"Back on the table" = open for discussion again (no longer tabled).
Joe from Massachusetts

 "Back on the table" = open for discussion again (no longer tabled).
No, I've never heard these uses in the UK.
As everyone else has said, in the UK, "to table" means to submit for
discussion.
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Mary


Beh...lui ha chiesto se e'possibile nell'inglese *americano*.  Io ho
detto che non solo e' possibile, ma e' certo.  Ha il significato
contrario della parola "intavolare" in italiano.
I think we already know that in British English the meaning is not the
same.
bye
ari