Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Are they arrived?

Salve,
 
sono nel dubbio se la traduzione di "Sono
arrivati?" č "Are they arrived?" o no.
 
Se cosě non fosse mi piacerebbe sapere sia qual č
la traduzione corretta di "Sono arrivati?" che
quella di "Are they arrived?"
 
Grazie


 
Have they arrived?
 


 
O "Did they arrive?" in alcuni contesti.

O "Did they arrive?" in alcuni contesti.
 
quindi "Are they arrived?" non esiste proprio?

quindi "Are they arrived?" non esiste proprio?
 
No, mi pare un tentativo maldestro di trasferire il nostro ausiliare
"essere".
Ausiliare che c'è anche in inglese, ma in altri tempi verbali (es. "I
am arriving").
 
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Ci sono 10 tipi di persone al mondo: quelle che capiscono il sistema binario
e quelle che non lo capiscono.

 quindi "Are they arrived?" non esiste proprio?
 
Magari e' possibile inventare contesti molto ma molto aulici o
arcaici in cui si potrebbe dire. 
 
Per esempio, Elendil in uno dei libri di Tolkien dice:
 
"Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world."
 
Qualcuno parlando di Aragorn dice "He is come".
 
Ma nel ventunesimo secolo in qualsiasi contesto minimamente normale, la risposta
alla tua domanda e' "no". Immagino che la risposta sia "no" da qualche secolo.
 
 

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As Adam points out, it''s archaic, an Old English construction no 
longer used in modern English.
 
The most notable example that comes to mind is
 
Sumer is ycumen in [lit.: summer is come in]
which means
Summer has come
or
Summer has arrived
or colloqially
Summer's here!
 
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Remember: It is To Laugh
 

 quindi "Are they arrived?" non esiste proprio?
 
 
Mi pare che "are" o "is" si usano con gli aggettivi, non con i
participi verbali, che richiedono l'ausiliare "have" o "has".
 
Una eccezione potrebbe essere "are they finished?" ma mi pare
non proprio corretta.
 
 
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AIOE ³¿³  

 non proprio corretta.
 
 
"Are they finished?" = magari "Sono pronti/completi?"
 
"Have they finished?" = "Hanno finito?"
 

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Once opon a time, an old mand and his old wife, they live in a
cheap and old building, somewhere in NYC, in a very poor area of NYC. 
 
It was their old home, they loved it, even if it was very weird and
wacky old building. The fact was very simple: the fucking walls of their
building were so thin, even a little fart bombed by somebody at the
first floor, it might be heard loud and clear, to the penthouse!.
 
The penthouse, yah!, there was a cheap appartment in the small
building, and the penthouse was the place where a young man with
his nice young wife, they are used to spend some days for holidays in
NYC.
 
Why this young couple from Los Angeles with two different luxury cars
each other, buy a small cheap old appartment in the big apple, in a poor
area in NYC rather then to buy a nice country cottage in Montana,
nobody knows why.
 
By the way, the young couple said at the last condominium meeting, 
they will arrive to NYC to check their appartment one time per month,
for one hour only, then they will came back to their jobs in Los
Angeles. This appartment was an investment, they bought it for making
money because it was a very nice building.
 
The thing sounded very weird to the dummy mr Smith, because in
the old and cheap building, there were more offices for commercial
activities, than civil appartments.
 
By the way the young couple seems very polite and silent people for mr.
Smith and it looked a good thing.
 
May be too silent and to quite people, for mrs Smith's opinion,
just because nobody heard a fucking noises of a pots or a cooking
stuffs coming from upstairs, at lunch or dinner time.
 
So one night, it happen a strange thing!.
 
The old couple get up very scared in the middle of the night by weird
and wacky noises, coming from upstairs, the penthouse. The 
old man and his old wife were the only persons in the building,
except for the young couple upstairs.
 
TUM-TUM-TUM
AAAHH, AAAHHH, AAAHHH,
TUM-TUM-TUM
AAAHH, AAAHHH, AAAHHH,
 
-tom, wake up!, tom! wake up!-
said mrs. Smith, while she wake up her old deaf husband
 
-do what?!... damn!, what's up, dear?!-
grumbled mr. Smith to his wife
 
-I don't know, dear!, this is weird, just hear it!! 
there are some wacky noises coming from upstairs- 
said the old wife mrs Smith
 
mr Smith took his horn for deaf man, then he listened for a while.
 
TUM-TUM-TUM
AAAHH, AAAHHH, AAAHHH,
TUM-TUM-TUM
AAAHH, AAAHHH, AAAHHH,
 
-Goddam it!, it's 2 o'clock in the morning, why are they doing this
strange noises?! they told me, just 3 hours ago, they are arrived in NYC
from Los Angeles by car, they said they were tired for the long trip!.
Damn!, I met them in the elevator, but they ain't any baggages, this
is weird or what?!-
 
TUM-TUM-TUM
AAAHH, AAAHHH, AAAHHH,
TUM-TUM-TUM
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
-Ehi!, what the hell is going on upstairs?!-
yelled the old deaf mr. Smith 
 
-Nothing dear, I think they came! and for sure they aren't from Los
Angeles-
whispered mrs Smith to her deaf husband
 
 
 
 
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www.archiviokubrick.it/opere/film/2001/hal9000/momento.mp3
 

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Are you done with that? :P :D

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Oppure, si potrebbe forse pensare all'uso passive:
How are those conclusions arrived at?
 

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Maybe he is gone now :P

Alfa Echo 35 19:43, venerdě 24 luglio 2015:
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Is this a "shaggy dog" story?
 
 
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AIOE łżł  

 Is this a "shaggy dog" story?
may be, it's better a doggy style story
 
 
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www.archiviokubrick.it/opere/film/2001/hal9000/momento.mp3