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Come si traduce " ain't ". So che é un espressione piuttosto usata ma non 
riesco a trovarla in nessuna grammatica 

 riesco a trovarla in nessuna grammatica 
1) am not; are not; is not.
2) has not; have not.
Kiuhnm

 
contraction of
am not, is not, are not, has not, or have not
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 > Come si traduce " ain't ". So che é un espressione piuttosto usata
I beg to differ....
ari

 I beg to differ....
It is used in many songs, especially rap ones, but not so much when 
speaking on a daily basis (unless you're a rapper or a whigger :P ).  
Right?
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riesco a trovarla in nessuna grammatica 
It's considered an incorrect form of "isn't". Definitely not correct
English, but that is often why it's used.
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 English, but that is often why it's used.
Well, not "definitely".
Check, for example:
http://www.alphadictionary.com/articles/drgw003.html
I'm right, ain't I?
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I beg to differ....
If he had stopped with number one, he would have been better off.
Joe from Massachusetts

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Yes, I agree, but even so, what do you estimate the percentage of
"ain't" to be?
In other words, if you could get a figure for how many times  "I am
not, you are not, he is not....etc" is spoken, printed and written by
every English speaking individual in every English speaking country in
the world in one day, and a figure for "ain't" and added the two, what
would the percentage of "ain't" in relation to the total be?  I think
it would be minuscule.   The original post says "so che e'
un'espressione piuttosto usata".   Beh...forse sono io che non capisco
il significato di "piuttosto usata".   Secondo me non e' piuttosto
usata.   Infatti, per dire la verita', non mi ricordo l'ultima volta
che l'ho sentita e sai benissimo che in California non e' che si parli
un inglese da ivy league!  Come ha detto qualcun altro, e' usata in rap
music or in some social circles, but really...I don't hear it that
often.   Do you?
ari

 often.   Do you?
Recently, I'm not sure. Most of the people at my school used "ain't"
almost all the time, though. Correct or not, a _passive_ knowledge
of it is as necessary as one of "mo'" or "anvedi".

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I hear "ain't" all the time, but the only time I see it written is
when someone is trying to reproduce speech.
When I was in Italy and learning Italian, I always tried to learn
"correct" Itallian, and avoided most dialect and slang (at least until
I had a good foothold in the language). My Italian friends would often
remark, when hearing me converse with American friends on the street,
that my English seemed very "uncouth", compared to my Italian. A
typical conversation would go something like this: "Hey, Joe, whatcha
doin'?" "Not too much. How about you guys?". "We're goin' down to the
carnival in the park. Ain't you goin'?" "Yeah, maybe later. See yez
down there".  If I were to talk to an Italian in English, my speech
would be completely different. I always avoided slang and sloppy
grammar, just as I tried to do when I spoke Italian. And my Italian
friends would try to avoid dialect and slang, when they spoke to me in
Italian. "Ain't" is an integral part of colloquial speech, at least in
the US. I don't think you can watch a sitcom without hearing it more
than once.
Joe from Massachusetts

 
Otherwise how could we say? "I'm right, am not I?"

Ggds ha scritto:
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You can trust the M-W's Dictionary of English Usage:
http://groups.google.it/group/it.cultura.linguistica.inglese/msg/0fd1d023fa89e497?hl=it&
Ciao, FB

 riesco a trovarla in nessuna grammatica
peep here:
http://www.languagehat.com/archives/001061.php

 Otherwise how could we say? "I'm right, am not I?"
".. am I not?" or "... aren't I?"

".. am I not?" or "... aren't I?"
...isn't me?
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 “il vero amore / è negli occhi dei cani vagabondi”
Federico Fiumani (Diaframma)

 ...isn't me?
"aren't I?" may seem surprising and irregular, but it's correct.
(It's odd how many English courses don't cover this, or how
to say "1908" and "1900")

 to say "1908" and "1900")
My course did. But I still think that "aren't I" is just plain horrible. 
"am I not" sounds much better.
Nineteen-oh-eight and nineteen hundred?
I have to admit my course did NOT cover those.
(Still, when I first read about the tv series "The 4400" I immediately 
"heard" it as "The forty-four hundred".)
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 "am I not" sounds much better.
Actually, "amn't I?" would be perfect, but it's only used in a few 
varieties, I understand.
FB