Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Il ritorno

Primo quesito:
"In London, you may see on every hand the solid monuments of British
traditions...."
Che vuol dire "on every hand"??
 
Ancora. Dal resto del brano mi sembra di dedurre che  "the tower of
Big Ben " e  "the ancient Westminster Abbey" si affacciano, per così
dire, "by the same open square"  cioè "sulla stessa piazza squadrata".
O no??  Altrimenti, che cosa vuol dire "by the same open square"?
 
Per finire: "St.Paul's Cathedral raises its huge dome from the open
space where etc...."
 
Non pensavo che la descrizione di Londra mi risultasse così ostica.
Thank you by your Angie
 
Vostra affezzzzzzionatissima Angela
 
 
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 dire, "by the same open square"  cioč "sulla stessa piazza squadrata".
 
"Sulla stessa piazza", senza "squadrata": open square č la piazza.
 

 space 
 
la cattedrale eleva la sua enorme cupola sopra l'ampio spazio ...
 
 
 
 
 
-- 
Guillotin était trop clément

 circus (es. Piccadilly).
 
 
"Open square" potrebbe significare che la piazza ha un lato non
edificato?
 
 
-- 
In a Bangkok temple:
"It is forbidden to enter a woman even a foreigner if dressed as
a man."
 

 edificato?
 
No, significa che non ci sono gli edifici o i grandi ostacoli dentro. Ma 
io parlo degli Stati Uniti dove non ci sono la tradizione delle piazze e 
la parola 'circus' indica sempre un posto dove si vedono i clown ed i 
domatori dei leoni.
 

Com'� bello avere delle difficolt� e quasi contemporaneamente trovare
qualcuno che le risolve! It's wonderful!!! 
ciao e grazie da Angela
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 clown ed i domatori dei leoni.
 
semmai in USA ci sono i "Circle" 
 
esempio  Columbus Circle a New York a sud del Central Park
 

Filippo Dal Bosco -, 17:33, giovedì 24 gennaio 2013:
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Una cosa che sembra mancare in USA sono le rotatorie.
 
 
-- 
Repartee is something we think of twenty-four hours too late.
    -- Mark Twain
 

 Una cosa che sembra mancare in USA sono le rotatorie.
 
Ci sono, si chiamano i roundabout.
http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist1/roundabouts/
 
 

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Roundabouts? Never heard that here. Wherever I have lived (eastern US) 
they're called rotaries (or they were called that, as most of them have been 
replaced with safer intersections.) The link you provided is for Canada, 
which makes sense as they're also called roundabouts in the UK.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_circle
 
 
-- 
Joey from New York
Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator,
but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
   -- WH Auden
 

 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_circle
 
 
The link I provided is from the State of California Department of 
Transportation. I don't know where you saw Canada.
 
I'm also familiar with east coast parlance, and I've heard both circles 
and roundabouts used interchangeably. I can't recall ever hearing 
"rotaries."
 
If you want to use Wikipedia as a reference, there is also this link: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout
 
 
There doesn't appear to be a Wikipedia entry for "rotaries," so there's 
an opening if you'd like to write one.
 
The writer(s) of the roundabout entry distinguishes between roundabouts 
and traffic circles, saying that circles have stop signs. Personally, I 
don't know of anyone who is a stickler for that distinction. But then, 
that could just be a limitation of the circles that I frequent.
 
 

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That was my mistake: I saw the ".ca" in the domain and interpreted it as 
Canada.
 
As for rotaries, it's now looking like that's mostly a Massachusetts term. I 
spend the first 44 years of my life in MA and New England, so that's what I'm 
used to. The link I provided shows an image of a "Rotary" in the town of 
Lowell or Lawrence or Lynn of one of those "L" towns in MA.
 
I moved to NYC 22 years ago: there aren't any roundabouts or rotaries here; 
there's only Columbus Circle in the city proper. When I leave the city it's 
almost always by train, which makes no use of rotaries, roundabouts or 
circles.
 
I have no interest in writing a Wikipedia page re: Rotaries. Last I knew they 
were being phased out for the most part, since (in MA, anyway) they're 
largely unregulated except for the occasional "YIELD" sign, which, to a MA 
driver means nothing, the same as STOP signs, red lights and other traffic 
regulatory signs.
 
-- 
Joey from New York
Among those whom I like or admire, I can findï¿œno common denominator,
but among thoseï¿œwhom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
ï¿œ ï¿œ-- WH Auden
 


 
Out of curiosity, I checked my copy of the 1998 California Driver 
Handbook and it doesn't even mention roundabouts, while the 2013 edition 
(which can be found here: 
http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl600.pdf
) discuss 
them on p. 25. A lot of roundabouts should have been built in the last 
fifteen years ;-)

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And an afterthought: The Wikipedia page I cited begins "A traffic circle or 
rotary ..." and a Wikipedia search for "rotary" lists the traffic circle 
under the "Other" category, so I guess that subject is already covered.
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They are being replaced, mostly by cloverleafs, as the population 
density and traffic increases. You'll still find them on secondary roads 
in semi-rural areas, for example if you take some of the business routes 
that run the city dwellers to the beach communities in eastern New 
Jersey. Or course, the Garden State turnpike and Garden State parkway 
have made them invisible to most travelers.
 
These secondary roads are much like the roads one finds in the 
semi-rural regions in Puglia, for example around Lecce. However,the 
roundabouts in Puglia are much smaller in diameter. And the US doesn't 
have the odd Salentino signage, such as the yellow directional arrows on 
the right side of the road which point left, but are meant to indicate 
"go straight."

 have made them invisible to most travelers.
 
That's "Of course" and "NJ Turnpike" to be precise.
 

 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_circle
 
 
 
"safer intersections"? :-O
 
http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr3505.pdf
 
 
 

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I know it sounds antithetical, but Massachusetts drivers are among the worst 
in the world. (If I still lived there, I would be saying that proudly. :) )
 
To a MA driver a yellow light at an intersection means "Speed up," not "Slow 
down and prepare to stop." STOP signs are merely suggestions and not to be 
taken seriously. A pedestrian in a crosswalk, even if he's crossing with the 
walk signal, is fair game for a motorist: not necessarily to hit him, but to 
scare the bejeezus out of him as the motorist brushes by.
 
The 90-degree-angle replacements, controlled by traffic signals, are safer.
 
-- 
Joey from New York
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Oh, and for some reason, "YIELD" signs are taken as imperatives for other 
drivers, not you.
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 safer.
 
Apparently not, for the very reason that drivers tend to ignore signals and 
traffic laws.
Besides, the geometry of crashes in a 90-degree-angle collision is more 
dangerous, says the article in the PDF link.
There are studies showing fewer injuries thanks to well-designed 
roundabouts.
 
Researchers
at Ryerson Polytechnic University, the Institute,
and the University of Maine studied
crashes and injuries at 24 intersections before
and after construction of roundabouts.
The study found a 39 percent overall decrease
in crashes and a 76 percent decrease
in injury-producing crashes. Collisions involving
fatal or incapacitating injuries fell as
much as 90 percent.
These findings are consistent with those
from other countries where roundabouts
have been used extensively for decades.
They also are consistent with preliminary
studies of U.S. roundabouts.
The safety benefits don't come at the expense
of traffic flow. In fact, where roundabouts
replace intersections with stop signs
or traffic signals, delays in traffic can be reduced
by as much as 75 percent
 
 
 

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Leave it to MA (Massachusetts) to go backwards. And when I was posting that I 
was remembering the times I drove in ROMA. Talk about having the bejeezus 
scared out of someone... :-O
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Massimo Ortolano, 15:06, domenica 27 gennaio 2013:
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Where I live, politicians are funding millions of roundabouts,
they are growing everywhere like mushrooms after the rain.
 
In the old Italian "rotatorie" the general rule was that
entering traffic had right-of-way, then they switched to the
more efficient system used today.
 
What about this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout_dog
 
 
 
-- 
Higgins:  Doolittle, you're either an honest man or a rogue.
Doolittle:  A little of both, Guv'nor.  Like the rest of us, a
little of both.
    -- Shaw, "Pygmalion"
 

 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout_dog
 
This one is much safer and imminently more fun.
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