Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Speeder

Hi all. Labour day!! Let's celebrate with another question! ;)
[...] A police officer was pulling a speeder near the Banque de
France. [...]
At first I thought a speeder could be an accelerator, but in this case
one would probably push it not pull it.
So .... no idea here :( Anyone?
Thanks,		beatrice
Thanks to Arianna, Ron (twice, also for the chips) and Loki (now I
know how to order chips in 3 different countries) for their help.
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The aspiration to truth is more precious then its assured possession.
- G.E. Lessing "Jämtlicke" (1778)

 one would probably push it not pull it.
He was "pulling over" a speeder. A speeder is a person who is speeding; that is,
driving faster than the speed limit of that road. To pull over a speeder is to
make that person stop at the side of the road and gracefully accept una multa.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

one would probably push it not pull it.
I agree with Ron.  It must be pulling over. If it were "pushing" it would
probably be expressed as "towing", althought when you say that a cop is "towing
a car",  it does not necessarily mean that he is physically pulling the car. 
It usually means that he issuing a  citation and a tow truck is on its way (and
this used to be my father's favorite topic at the dinner table!)
By the way, you used the word "accelerator".  I don't know about the UK and
other English speaking countries, but in the States the accelerator is a part
of the car.  It's the pedal that you press down on to "accelerate" ..or... it's
a huge "machine" that moves subatomic particle very fast as SLAC for example.
bye
arianna

a huge "machine" that moves subatomic particle very fast as SLAC for example.
First of all, thanks to both You and Ron for your help.
Yes... at first I thought that the speeder was the accelerator pedal
in the car and that the cop was driving very fast; that's why it
didn't make sense to me that the cop was pulling it and not pressing
it. 
After that, I imagined that the speeder was a strange device like the
italian "autovelox" (the one that takes a photo of your car when
you're driving too fast). 
Eventually I decided to ask. :)
The speeder in my mind, has always been an object not a person.
So now You all know what goes on in my mind and, as You can see,
there's a little bit of confusion :)
	beatrice.
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make that person stop at the side of the road and gracefully accept una multa.
...and would that be a "speed" or "speeding" ticket?
-- 
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching
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 help. 
Prego.
Then there are 'wedges', chips in wedge shaped cuts, usually spiced
and with sour cream.  :-) A NZ specialty would be kumera (a purple
skinned, sweet potato with yellow flesh) wedges or chips.
Cheers,
Loki

 ...and would that be a "speed" or "speeding" ticket?
That would be a ticket for speeding, colloquially called a speeding ticket. It's
name has nothing to do with the rapidity in which it's shoved in the culprit's
face. A speed ticket, if one existed, might be given to someone with narcolepsy
who forgot to carry with him an authorizing prescription for his medication.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Hi all. Labour day!! Let's celebrate with another question! ;)
FYI (For Your Information), May Day is not a legal holiday in the United States.
. . probably something to do with a paranoid fear of communism and the
international recognition of workers left over from the political persecutions
of the 1950's. Instead, Labor Day, in the United States, is the first Monday in
September.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 arianna
Funny name for it - 'slack' means slow and loose around here. :-))
Particle accelerators aside, down here it's either the 'accelerator'
or the 'acelerator pedal', eg "Put your foot on the accelerator." in
the same way the 'clutch pedal' will be referred to just the
'clutch'. 
Perhaps we should call it the "foot controlled carburettor adjustment
mechanism." And the clutch would be "flywheel distancing mechanism
ecc."
cheers,
Loki

Perhaps we should call it the "foot controlled carburettor
Loki, do cars still have carburators over there? :-)....su ragazzi,
modernizzatevi un po'! (just kidding of course!)
SLAC stands for Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
ciao
Arianna

 you're driving too fast).
shut up, pleeease!
I've just received a picture referring to 1996 for 800k itl :((((((

 Arianna
Possibly only mine :- ( being ancient and rusty. BTW what do they use
instead?
Loki
 

instead?
Loki, I pretty sure that all cars are now fuel injected.  I think that in the
old days fuel went from the tank to the carburator where it got mixed with air.
 From there it was then delivered to the cylinders where the actual combustion
process took place.  Nowadays fuel is injected directly into the cylinders (no
carburator) so there is one less step and this allows for better acceleration. 
Dico bene o sbaglio?  This is the way my father explained it to me.
ciao
arianna

 Dico bene o sbaglio?  This is the way my father explained it to me.
well, well "ni"
se parliamo di carburatore ok (quelli belli del mio KTM 125 del 1970 con
galleggiante ;)), ma la carburazione ovvero la preparazione della
miscelazione esiste eccome... con centraline elettroniche e "pacchi" di
sensori. L'iniettore e' a valle e spara la miscela (quindi _non_ la benzina)
nel cilindro.
[a full-of-error English version available with stress]


That would be a "speed camera" in England, cost me £40 for 40mph in a
30mph area. :-(
Sadly
John
-- 
John G Davies

 writes
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Electronically-controlled fuel injection is the norm nowadays, mainly to
meet strict "emission levels", i.e. to reduce pollution.  It also makes
the car use less fuel and go faster. (Whoops, more speeding tickets).
Cheers
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 John
Just to complete the picture of injection coming out from the thread,
injection does not mean strictly injection in the cylinder (that is direct
injection or 'iniezione diretta').
Injection can also take place in the induction manifold (collettore di
aspirazione) in a Single Point Injection system or just outside the cylinder
in a Multi Point Injection system.
Ciao
--
Giorgio

 >From: "Loki" lo...@asgard.nz.invalido 
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Sounds Ok to me, but what do I know - maybe  that'll be why I can't
find the carburettor in newer cars.... BTW is this better
acceleration needed to make up for the power loss in having an
automatic instead of a manual? :-)))
cheers,
Loki
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You have a weekend in which to comply. :-)))
Cheers,
Loki
Resistance is futile

in a Multi Point Injection system.
Mmm, love it whne you talk dirty.
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 That would be a "speed camera" in England, cost me £40 ...
40 isn't 300! :(

 in a Multi Point Injection system.
the latter is the "real" injection and outside or inside is just a matter of
details ('iniezione diretta' for diesel is exactly the same) while the
former means: "I told you: keep that bloody cost low!!!" said by the
engineer in chief.

miscelazione esiste eccome.
Thank you. I stand (half) corrected, but I do have a question.   In my post I
mentioned "combustion" .  I said that the "combustion" takes place in the
cyliners.  Is that wrong?  Please don't tell me that they invented some
intermediate step now.  By combustion I mean "burning of the fuel". 
Now I know that carburization takes place before the fuel reaches the
cylinders.
Sorry to be taking up space with these questions but I can't risk sounding
stupid when I talk to my mechanic.
ciao
Arianna


Majesty!
Behave. lol
CC

 automatic instead of a manual? :-)))
There's not a so big "power loss" having an automatic gear. between 5/10%,
but I'm quite sure you cannot notice it. And because you're a woman (even if
a goddess) I'm quite comfortable you're wrong :)))) and that you're
referring to the "whole" you feel when you press down on the accelerator;
In this case the car is lowering gears... anyhow with less bad words,
'grattate', not to say quicker and in general with much less issues than you
all, lovely women! ;)

 stupid when I talk to my mechanic.
well... are you a woman? :))))))

 but I'm quite sure you cannot notice it. 
There is definitely a difference, due to the increased friction and to
the sub-optimal use of the engine. Automatic gears have usually 3 or 4
speeds, a manual stick has usually 5, and the difference shows up when
you top off your tank. 
I saw a few days ago in TV a gas station showing these prices 
Regular 1.72 99
Extra	ARM 99
Premium LEG 99
And now prices are about 1.91 US$/gallon for regular.
Ciao
-- 
Franco
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
(L. Wittgenstein)

Behave. lol
And you think Majesty would let Herself be told off by a *LIW*?
(Besides, it was him who started the naughty talking!)
lol back,
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 lovely women! ;)
It is the power loss, not a delayed gear change, to which I refer. 5%
or 10% is still a lot. IMHO
Cheers,
Loki
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              O      __
      ___   /\     / / O  
     /__ \   | \   /  |
    O  /  \ /   \./   |
        |________ |
 
            Loki 

 well... are you a woman? :))))))
Are you living with a death wish?? ;-))) My mechanic wasn't very
complimentary about blokes who 'knew enough to get into trouble' (not
fix it). And cars were rapidly getting beyond the home mechanic with
all the computer electronics. That was 10 years ago. 
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 Behave. lol
Dear Cristina,
Is this plea directed towards all RH's or merely to HRH Isabella? If the
former, bother! (cfr:Winnie The Pooh).
I was just on the point of writing that there certainly is a 'spicy
something' to the way Buongiorgio says the things he says. In other words,
'I like it when he talks dirty too!'
--
I remain, as always,
Bambi
dtb

  and to the sub-optimal use of the engine.
disagree

 bother! (cfr:Winnie The Pooh).
 ^^^^^^^
'Uffa'?

 something' to the way Buongiorgio says the things he says.
Sounds like 'When you speak French you drive me wild' from the Addams Family
series.
Good grief, I wonder what would have happened mentioning shafts or so.
Buongomez

 details ('iniezione diretta' for diesel is exactly the same)
Non havvi dubbio che MPI č meglio di SPI, ma ambedue avvengono a una
pressione molto piů bassa di quella che necessita per l'iniezione diretta in
camera di combustione.
L'iniezione in precamera nei motori diesel ha qualche somiglianza con MPI,
l'iniezione diretta nel cilindro NO.
Ciao
Giorgio

 Buongomez
Or closer to the topic... "throttle bodies".
Rick

cylinders.
The word should be "atomisation", not "carburization".
The latter is used in the treatment of metals and my spelling checker
doesn't like it either.
Atomisation means "breaking up into tiny droplets".
Ciao
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 disagree
Why? having more speeds, you can keep the engine running closer to its
optimal point (in the torque-speed plane)
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The word should be "atomisation",
Thanks.   I like that word.  I think I'll try to use  it more often!  
For a moment I thought that maybe I made up the word carburization, but it does
exist according to the Merriam Webster dictionary.  
Bye
Arianna

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In USA the word is "carburetion" not sure about UK.  They talk funny over
there.

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Yes, but it has nothing to do with internal combustion engines.  It has to do
with impregnating metals with carbon.  The word we use in USA is "carburetion."
Maybe in UK they say "atomisation" but I don't know.

 I've just received a picture referring to 1996 for 800k itl :((((((
You have my sympathy. 800 K ITL is quite a bundle! It will Euros soon,
and the numbers will get smaller, but it will hurt just the same!
I have never seen a radar photo. Is it detailed enough to recognize
the driver?
In Italy, I heard, fines for speeding are payable by the vehicle's
owner, if the offending driver is not stopped and find right then and
there, in flagranti, which is rarely the case, for technical reasons.
Punishing one person for the misdeed of another person is, it would
seem, a violation of basic human rights, but that would be a
discussion for another forum.
In the USA, I read, there is (was?) a clamour to make gun
manufacturers liable for the damage caused by the illegal use of guns.
Why, then, can't automobile manufacturers be made to pay the fines for
speeding? Just a thought :-)
--
Xakero
 Sapere aude!  (Horace, Epistulae)

 Good grief, I wonder what would have happened mentioning shafts or so.
Dear Buongiorgio,
To which one can only say: try it and see.
Bolly in hand and at the ready should cooling down be required,
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 'Uffa'?
Dear Paolo,
Not being a native Italian speaker I cannot state for certain, but I would
suspect Uffa renders Winnie's ' Bother' as closely as anything else I can
think of. If I am mistaken, I have no doubt others will put me right.
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We can only hope he doen't get cranky. ;-))

 sounding stupid when I talk to my mechanic.
The air / fuel mixture explodes in and at the top of the cylinder,
thus forcing the pistons down. In my car it is not so much
carburetion that takes place , as it is carbonization and smoke
production. :-(
I'll bet somewhere on the Net there is a nice little animation
showing the internal combustion engine at work.
Cheers,
loki

production. :-(
With 107 miles in 7 years, I have the same problem!
ciao
Arianna

 With 107 miles in 7 years, I have the same problem!
Mine comes from an 18 year old vehicle. :-( 
Cheers,
Loki

 thus forcing the pistons down. 
It is the overheated gas that pushes the piston down, and during this
phase, the gas cools down: engine is a thermal machine.
Ciao!
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 With 107 miles in 7 years, I have the same problem!
Did you forget some O? :-) If not, just sell your car and get a cab when
you need a car :-)
Franco
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Did you forget some O? :-
yes...I forgot three zeros.  107 miles in 7 years!  that would average 15 miles
a year!
Bye
Arianna

 owner, if the offending driver is not stopped
the new law forces polices to stop the car...

the new
law forces polices to stop the car...
Which apparently doesn't stop the
police from bringing the vehicle'owner to court.
QUOTE
... Atteso che
ai sensi dell'art. 196 CdS per le violazioni punibili con la sanzione
amministrativa percuniaria il proprietario del veicolo è obbligato in
solido con l'autore della violazione al pagamento della somma da questi
dovuta ...
UNQUOTE
Source: Ordinanza Ingiunzione dated 9 March 2001,
referring to a speeding fine of July 1999.
Luckily, I am not the owner
of the vehicle referred to here, but I had some fun reading the Italian
legalese.
Xakero
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