Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: traduzione

Ciao a tutti,
è la prima volta che scrivo e spero possiate essermi di aiuto.
Ho un problema con una frase...
"Baby don't know how to turn you loose"
Non riesco proprio a capirne il senso... qualcuno può darmi qualche dritta?
Grazie e saluti a tutti

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Il contesto?
Potrebbe significare "non so come liberarti", ma anche "come farti
scatenare", forse....
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=turn+loose
- turn loose 1 a : to set free <turned loose the captured animal> b : to
free from all restraints <turned them loose with a pile of theme paper to
write whatever they liked -- Elizabeth P. Schafer> 2 : to fire off :
DISCHARGE 3 : to open fire

 scatenare", forse....
Oppure baby potrebbe essere il soggetto della frase.
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"We came, we saw, we kicked its ass!" 

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news:3knb49F...@individual.net...
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Ciao, scusa Il mio italiano non č buono, ma cerco di spiegarlo.
"baby" č un vezzeggiativo, appellativo affettuoso.
"don't know how" non č grammaticale, dovrebb'essere "I don't know how"
ma č una canzone e canzoni sono spesso scritto cosě.
Come ha detto Enrico "to turn you loose" significa "to
free from all restraints" ma in modo metaforico. Non sono capace di
tradurlo in italiano ma č lo stesso come: "to let you go".

Giņ
-Tutto ciņ che puņ esistere, esiste.
          (Tullio Regge)

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No - there's no doubt that jonny's right ; 'baby' isn't the subject , 
despite the lack of a comma after it ; it's '[I] don't know how' .
Mike 

 pace)".
Questa mi sembra improbabile in ogni caso, non e' plurale!
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" 

 despite the lack of a comma after it ; it's '[I] don't know how' .
Well, I don't know the song, but in general if there were two people 
talking about someone else then 'baby' could be the subject too.
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"If love is blind I guess I'll buy myself a cane"

talking about someone else then 'baby' could be the subject too.
http://lyrics.songtext.name/Mariah%20Carey/Circles-25948.html
Lo so solo perché l'ho cercato su google. Riesci a vedere del contesto
che "baby" è un vezzeggiativo, come molte canzoni di questo genere.

 talking about someone else then 'baby' could be the subject too.
"Baby don't"? It does seem a vocative.
Bye, FB
-- 
"I saw something nasty in the woodshed!"
(Cold Comfort Farm, the film)

 "Baby don't"? It does seem a vocative.
In a rap song? Anything goes. Not in this one, okay, but... for example, 
check this out:
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Me-Around-lyrics-Michael-Penn/DF82182599DFF03148256D75002D5318
"Baby don't want me around"
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"Nothing lasts forever, even cold November rain" 

Giň
-Tutto ciň che puň esistere, esiste.
          (Tullio Regge)

Giò
-Tutto ciò che può esistere, esiste.
          (Tullio Regge)

 "Baby don't want me around"
Però, in questi casi, forse è più frequente "My baby..."
-- 
Enrico C
...still legal tender...

 who nose, after all, who's right?
Dude, you ok?
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"I'm not breaking down, I'm breaking out" 

 Però, in questi casi, forse è più frequente "My baby..."
Sicuramente, ma possono voler dire due cose diverse (senza il "my" non 
credo sia necessariamente "my")
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"I bought me an illusion and I put it on the wall" 

Dude, you ok?
we prefer to say:
"ma te pìa spesso?"
btw yes, I'm all right, just in the mood.
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so boni tutti
what does this mean?

 tradurlo in italiano ma è lo stesso come: "to let you go". 

 plural, or the same with the verb.
I don't disagree with that ; and it's true that the omission of a comma and 
of a personal pronoun in the first example , and the omission of a 
possessive adjective together with a lack of correspondence between subject 
and verb in the second , doesn't help understanding ; but the fact remains 
that (even without context) a native speaker wouldn't be in doubt .
Mike

what does this mean?
(in that way) they're all good at it. 
it means that there no particular honour in giving an answer being
provided with such a consideration in advance, as I had been not,
before.
ps "so boni tutti" = "sono buoni tutti" = "(cosě) sono capaci tutti"
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that (even without context) a native speaker wouldn't be in doubt .
The mines (too) stay.
I will allow no more Dominion reinforcements through this sector.
(just in the mood of a little DS9 chitchat. Just tonight I watched
7x02...and looking forward for the end of it, while fear the
approaching of this very same end.
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 mean 'lasciarti in pace'.)
Ok I chose a wrong example with "want" :-) But you can easily find a 
couple of "know"s too in other songs.
I found a "Baby Don't Know What To Do With Herself" (I know that the 
"herself" makes it clear, here, but that is not the point)
and
"baby don't know why, but baby's little secret, makes her want to die"
Of course, 99% of the times it's "Baby, I don't know", but it is 
possible (and not particularly weird) for it to be correctly "baby don't 
know".
For example:
Person1: "So you told her you gonna dump her?"
Person2: "Yeah, don't feel right when I'm with her..."
Person1: "you don't? What's the problem?"
Person2: "I don't know, she's kinda boring"
Person3: "Baby don't know how to turn you loose, huh?"
(I just made this up, it's stupid, but it sounds right to me, here)
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Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
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One in a million !
Mike 

 One in a million !
No doubt about it!
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it." 

the sentence: "Baby don't know how to turn you loose" is improper English -
in proper English, it should read: "Baby, I don't know how to turn you
loose", which is a colloquial version of:
"my dear, I don't know how to stop our relationship" or "my dear, I don't
know how to stop having sex with you, even though I don't see our
relationship as maturing"
spiacente, non conosco l'italiano ancora
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use:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
for a quick translation
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from 
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
il mio caro, non so arrestare il nostro rapporto
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il mio caro, non so smettere di avervi sesso con, anche se non vedo il
nostro rapporto come facendo maturare
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nostro rapporto come facendo maturare
Te prego fermete.
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 Tutto ciň che puň esistere, esiste.
alles wat er is, is
tout qui existe, existe
Fran
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 tout qui existe, existe
Non è vero. L'intelligenza di berlusconi per esempio...
-- 
"I can't try to save humanity without holding on to what makes me human."
Cpt. Jonathan Archer to T'Pol
04/08/2005 21.00.44

Giò
-Tutto ciò che può esistere, esiste.
          (Tullio Regge)

Giň
-Tutto ciň che puň esistere, esiste.
          (Tullio Regge)

 ps la prima che lingua è? mica è tedesco...anche se c'assomiglia
what little I know about Italian is of no use in responding in Italian,
since it is so little
anyway, my first language was Dutch (Nederlands), then I learned English
after 5 years old, and French throughout my life (mostly to speak to
relatives) - but now my primary language is English
I arrived at this newsgroup by looking for discussion groups about
linguistics in general, since linguistics is essential in the field on
Intellectual Property (my belief)  - this one happened to have some English
discussion, so I have begun posting here to learn more
and Dutch is certainly related to German, but my experience is that it
resembles English more closely than German - and Dutch also has a few
connections with Danish
anyway, I must rely almost entirely on 
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
 to
have any hope of following Italian discussions
excuse me for my lack of Italian ability
here is the Italian translation of above from
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
  :
che piccolo conosco circa italiano è inutile nella risposta in italiano,
poiché è così piccolo in ogni modo, la mia prima lingua era dutch
(Nederlands), quindi ho imparato l'inglese dopo vecchio 5 anni ed il
francese durante la mia vita (principalmente parlare ai parenti) - ma ora la
mia lingua primaria è inglese Sono arrivato a questo newsgroup cercando i
gruppi di discussione circa la linguistica in generale, poiché la
linguistica è essenziale nel campo sulla proprietà intellettuale (la mia
credenza) - questa sembrata per avere certa discussione inglese, in modo da
io ha cominciato l'invio qui per imparare più ed il dutch certamente è
collegato con tedesco, ma la mia esperienza è che assomiglia più molto
attentamente all'inglese del tedesco - ed il dutch inoltre ha alcuni
collegamenti con il Danese in ogni modo, devo contare quasi interamente su
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
 per avere tutta la speranza di seguenti
discussioni italiane scusilo per la mia mancanza di abilità italiana
does the Italian translation make sense?
fa la traduzione italiana hanno il significato?
grazie
Fran Lorin
www.patent.0catch.com
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 fa la traduzione italiana hanno il significato?
-- 
I'm a Dream!!! 

Giò
-Tutto ciò che può esistere, esiste.
          (Tullio Regge)

 seems to me a more linguistic proximity with English.
This sentence is grammatically incorrect. You should say 'I recognize'. You
could say 'I've recognized' but it is awkward construction. Of course you
probably recognize the typo 'English'.
By the way, a native speaker would probably not use the verb 'recognize' in
this context. He or she would more likely say 'find'.

Giò
How do you expect me to grow, if you don't let me blow?
(Rachel a Ross, Friends 2x19)

 seems to me a more linguistic proximity with English.
thanks to Tony the Ice Man for the v ery accurate comments
I would like to point out that Dutch is the language of the Netherlands -
whereas, "Deutsch" is the language of Germany - they are not identical,
otherwise I would have no problem writing German too!
adios
Fran Lorin
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Giņ
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 newsgroup about the _English_ language?
that is a very good question - here are a few points that may make the
connection between the Duch and French more relevant to the English
language:
before the Romans under Caesar (which I assume spoke a latin that may have
resembled a dialect that originated perhaps somewhere east and south of
Rome) about 2000 years ago, the inhabitants of the
British Isles spoke a Celtic language at that time that was not well
documented
after the Romans left the British Isles about 410 AD, Danish influence began
- the soft and hard "th" sounds (soft "th" as in "then" and hard "th" as in
"thank") were used by those early Viking invaders - today, only Icelandic
out of all the Germanic and Scandinavian languages that influenced that
early English actually has both soft and hard "th" sounds - in fact, they
use completely separate letters in their alphabet to denote these two
different sounds - it is my understanding that Italian has no such sounds
then, after the invasion by William the Conquerer in 1066, significant
portions of English became influenced by French (mostly legal and military
terms)
Dutch, as the language used by the people of the Netherlands in modern
times, resembles English very closely - it does resemble German as well, but
as I posted before, in my experience, it resembles English more closely than
German (that is my opinion, of course)
now, regarding the relationship of Dutch and French (note that the word
"Dutsch" that you used is really not a spelling used by anyone in any
language that I am aware of, so I am not aware of its existence in any
language) to Italian, it is clear that Italian (or, perhaps more accurately,
Latin) had an influence on English which must have occurred for a period of
about 400 years, from the time of Caesar to about 410 AD, even though not
well documented - the Dutch, being geographically proximate the British
Isles, and being influenced by the Germanic languages and being
linguistically related to the Scandinavian languages is relevant to English
- French, which directly influenced English by the influence of William the
Conquerer, which is derived from the old Gallic language (which is a Celtic
language) and Latin, brings the connection to today's Italian into view
now, if you want to question the relevance of non-European languages, such
as Japanese, Turkish, Xhosa, or any of the "polynesian" languages in this
newsgroup, then I would more readily agree that they are questionably
relevant
Fran
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 And viceversa.
please note that you initially compared Italian with both French and
Spanish, but then you only asserted that Italians and Spaniards can
understand each other
the assertion you made does not quite apply to Italians and Frenchmen, since
Italians cannot understand Frenchmen and vice versus - however, if you
compare the Frenchmen of the Languedoc region (southern and, especially,
southeastern France, such as Marseilles) with Italian, then you may find a
closer resemblance - you may notice this resemblence in the incredibly
beautiful movies called "Jean de Florette" and "Manon de la Source" with
Yves Montand
the northern French do not speak a dialect that can be understood by
Italians, and vice versus
Fran
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Giò
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Giò
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 Can't follow you here.
It is my understanding that regional dialects can vary considerably in large
European countries, such as France and Italy (and even Netherlands as well!)
- in France, there are two general dialects called "Langue d'Oui" and
"Langue d'Oc" - these broadly described dialects of French refer to the
manner in which a person says the word "yes" - in the northern part of
France, where people say "oui" in an affirmative response or expression,
this is called "Langue d'Oui" (or languedoui) - in the southern part of
France, where many rural people used to say "oc" instead of "oui" until
about the seventeenth century (i.e., 1600's), the regional dialect is
broadly referred to as "Langue d'Oc" or "languedoc", see
http://www.the-languedoc-page.com/
try to see the DVDs of "Jean de Florette" or "Manon de la Source" with Yves
Montand (a great Italian actor who did French movies) which is supposed to
have taken place somewhere just north of Marseilles, where the French sounds
a lot more like Italian
I hope this explanation helps
alla volta prossima
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 It doesn't really have to have an actual real reason, does it?
exactly correct - or, I mean, I agree totally
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Hastings is nowhere near Cornwall. Over 5 hours by train, say.

 
http://www.the-languedoc-page.com/
well, it looks like "Langue d'Oc" means "language of occitan" - I am not
sure whether people there actually said "oc" instead of "oui" at all - but
I'd like to know...
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they're both along the southern coast - that's what I meant
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the best way to discover the old language of Gaul is in the names of towns -
YES! THAT WAS IT!
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Hastings is nowhere near Cornwall. Over 5 hours by train, say.
The same distance between the latins and the ligurians, I'd say!
:-)))
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 am certainly willing to learn!
Not trying to drive you away, obviously, but if you want to have a look
at some English-speaking groups too, you could try sci.lang and
alt.usage.english.
Sci.lang is probably what you're looking for.
There's also it.cultura.linguistica, but people mainly post in Italian
there.
-- 
Mary

 those places...maybe even princess of that.
King Arthur was supposed to exist around 500 AD, after the Romans left, but
before the Danish took over the British Isles - it is said to be a legend,
but could still be proven as a fact - we don't quite know...yet
Fran
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 Mary
thanks, Mary! - I am checking them out now - my newsgroup server lets me
know the number of messages in the newsgroups I am checking - this lets me
know the level of activity - this one (it.cultura.linguistica.inglese) is
very active
take care,
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but could still be proven as a fact - we don't quite know...yet
they must be still waiting for his return, are they not? ;-)
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 very active
He he, we are happy talkers! 
Pun intended! :-)
-- 
Enrico C
...still legal tender...

 they must be still waiting for his return, are they not? ;-)
ha! - that's right! - and maybe for Robin Hood too
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