Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Diverge?

Si pronuncia daiverge o d@verge?
m-w dà entrambe le pron.:
də-ˈvərj, dī-
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diverge
-- 
Eîpen dè ho Iesoûs, oudè egó se katakríno: poreúou, kaì
apò toû nûn mekéti hamártane (Euaggélion katà Ioánnen, 8,11)

 
Both are possible. If I were reading "The Road Not Taken," (Robert Frost,) 
I'd probably say 'daiverge(d)' but otherwise, 'd@verge.:
http://www.bartleby.com/119/1.html
-- 
Joey from NY

 I'd probably say 'daiverge(d)
Thanks, I actually was reading it when I wrote my msg :)
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There is a commercial running quite often on TV in the US these days. It has 
something to do with presentation software (Hewlett Packard, maybe?). An 
unkempt man steps to the podium before an audience of businessmen, and says 
something like "Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.... but then I diverge". 
I can't remember what pronunciation he uses. I'll have to take closer note 
of the commercial the next time I see it and report back, if you don't 
notice it first.
Joe from Massachusetts 

 notice it first.
You're confusing the word "diverge" with "digress."

 You're confusing the word "diverge" with "digress."
That indicates the female of the diger.
-- 
In a Copenhagen airline ticket office:
"We take your bags and send them in all directions."

 
excellent!
-- 
Joey from NY

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You're right.
Another word with similar conflicting pronunciations is di(a)eresis (the 
compact Oxford lists both pronunciations), although at the "liceo" we always 
used the primary pronunciation (as in the original Greek) "di-'air-a-sis". 
It refers to the "umlaut" on words like Ha�ti which indicate that the second 
of two adjacent vowels is pronounced separately. (Very few publications 
insist on using the diaeresis any more, but it seems that the New Yorker 
Magazine still does so).
http://www.dscriber.com/news/121-the-new-yorkers-odd-mark-the-diaeresis.html
The secondary pronunciation of this word sounds like a medical term, perhaps 
because of its near-homonym "diuresis".
Joe from Massachusetts 

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Gee, I wonder if I should have used a diaeresis on diuresis? Naah.
Joe from Massachusetts 


Joe,
I recall that you have some interest in Russian, and thought you might be
interested in this Russian Typing Tutor which I came across recently.
I had been searching for a freeware program of this type for some time, and
just came upon this link a few weeks ago.
I installed the program, and it works fine for me. It can be used as a
typing tutor for either the English or Cyrillic keyboard. There are 21
levels with 4 exercises in each level.
Previously, when typing Cyrillic characters, I would have to resort to an
on-screen illustration of the Cyrillic keyboard, and use hunt-and-peck
typing. Now, after running through the program once, I can type about 10 wpm
without any keyboard illustrations. (Hey, don't laugh. It's better than my
pervious 1 wpm!).
I use Windows XP. I normally use the US International keyboard, and had to
install the Cyrillic keyboard and also the UK English keyboard. The
additions don't interfere with my normal typing on the US Intl kybd..
The name of the program is "Keyboard Tsar", and can be found here.
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/russian/online_practice.htm
There is no information about compatibility with any operating system. In
fact there is no mention at all of any operating system. All I know is that
it works with Windows XP.
There is some information about the program here, but again, nothing about
OS compatibility.
http://www.bbcactivelanguages.com/Portals/0/Newsletters/NewsLetter46.pdf
http://www.ldu.leeds.ac.uk/bulletin/issue8/page7.php
Joe from Massachusetts


I take it that, like myself, you're no astronomer. :>)
Joe from Massachusetts 

 excellent!
Sometimes I feel stupid...
-- 
"Les statistiques, c'est comme le bikini: ï¿œa donne des idï¿œes
mais ï¿œa cache l'essentiel!"
                -- Coluche (Michel Colucci)

 still does so).
Does somebody use the accented vowels in names like
Panamï¿œ, Perï¿œ etc. or in French words like ï¿œlite?
-- 
"I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's
fashions."
                -- Lillian Hellman


When directly quoting from foreign language sources, I would say yes. 
Otherwise, maybe.
Reference books have a better track record.
NY Times
fianc�e, � la.., d�ja vu,
elite, Panama, manana, ma�ana
Sometimes Hermann Goring, Hermann Goering or Hermann G�ring
That reminds me of a ditty an Englishman taught me, which was supposedly 
sung during the construction of the Bridge on the River Kwai, to the tune of 
the Colonel Bogey March:
Hitler had only one big ball
G�ring had two but very small
Himmler's were somewhat similar
But old Goebbels had no balls at all.
Joe from Massachusetts

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By the way, we say P�nama, not Panam�, and Capr�, not C�pri, but we don't 
write them with accent marks.
http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/mp3c/COL140145.mp3
http://www.jazz-on-line.com/a/mp3a/MER70350x.mp3
Some people go to the extreme of putting an accent in the wrong place, 
thinking it a sign of sophistication.
http://www.wathen-castanos.com/2009/03/31/live-an-active-lifestyle-at-capri-court/
Joe from Massachusetts 

>> Tony The Ice Man, 00:07, giovedï¿œ 20 maggio 2010:
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Thanks, Joe... I'll look into that. I'm always interested in anything having 
to do with any language, and I was just thinking it was time to dig out the 
Russian grammar books again and start polishing.
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Joey from NY

 
You misspelled "brilliant."  :-)
-- 
Joey from NY

 But old Goebbels had no balls at all.
That tune was played a lot (music and whistles, no words) from
loudspeakers when as a child I attended a "colonia estiva"
(some sort of a Summer camp / barracks provided by big
companies to their employees' children); I will never forget
it.
-- 
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell
people what they do not want to hear."
                -- George Orwell

 You misspelled "brilliant."  :-)
Thanks Joey, you are a pal. 
Pal Joey. 
Uhm... a bell is ringing in my head.
Come dite quando vi fischia un orecchio?
Qui si dice "qualcuno mi sta pensando"
-- 
Murder is always a mistake -- one should never do anything one
cannot talk about after dinner.
    -- Oscar Wilde, "The Picture of Dorian Gray"


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There is a place in Udine, I suppose it's the same in every
Italian city,  where all Ucrainian "badanti" (women that are
paid to take care of the elderly people) gather to meet and buy
their foods and other products from minivans with ucrainian
plate.
Maybe Ucrainian would be more useful for me than Russian.
-- 
"La guerra ï¿œ solo un trucco, in quanto non ï¿œ affatto quello che
sembra alla maggior parte della gente. E solo un ristretto
numero di persone sa in realtï¿œ di che si tratta.
 Si conduce per il vantaggio di pochissimi. Le masse ne fanno le
spese."
- Maggiore Generale Smedley Butler, USMC - Il generale della
Marina Americana piï¿œ decorato della storia degli Stati Uniti
d'America.

 Joey from NY, 15:50, venerd� 21 maggio 2010:
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So you're thinking of becoming a badante?
How do you manage, what with Ladin, Furl�n, Slovenian, English, Italian, and 
Udino-Veneto?
Joe from Massachusetts
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In the US, if your ears are burning, it means someone is talking about you
behind your back.
http://www.ehow.com/facts_6305352_mean-ears-burning_.html
Joe from Massachusetts

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It wouldn't surprise me to find that in a baule in your baita you had 
stashed away a Cimbrian dictionary.
What keyboard do you use if you want to type the inverted ^ which appears 
over the letter a in Furl�n?
Joe from Massachusetts
Joe from Massachusetts

 English, Italian, and Udino-Veneto?
I am able to be silent in all of those languages, and many
others, trying to look like a wise man who only speaks by
proverbs once in a week or so.
-- 
"Early to rise and early to bed makes a man healthy, wealthy,
and dead."
                -- James Thurber 

 which appears over the letter a in Furlàn?
It's not inverted, it's the usual circumflex accent they use in
French.
I could copy and paste characters with my mouse from an area on
the bottom panel where a tiny application lies (stays), or I
could use another application to switch to a Spanish or French
keyboard layout (but I don't remember where the letters are).
Only recently (shame!) I discovered I can use dead keys
(fingertwisting exercise pushing AltGr+Shift+key) in my Italian
keyboard:
áāâäàăą
éèēĕêëę
íīïîįĭì
èŧ¢ ĕẗĉ
(UTF-8 charset needed)
-- 
Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary
necessities.
    -- Mark Twain




 


Most people here in the US use the standard US 
English keyboard, since they never type accented letters, but by installing the 
US International keyboard, I have easy access to all the most common things such 
as àâä, etc., but I still can't do that upside-down ^ as in 
Ă 
without cuttting and pasting. The only disadvantage of the US Intl 
kybd is that to actually type the character represented by a "dead" key (a key 
which modifies the character immediately following it), you must follow 
it with a space. This inconvenience is greatly outweighed by the ease of 
typing accented characters, and the large number of extra characters which are 
easily accessible.


 


Is this the Italian keyboard you use?


http://www.microsoft.com/resources/msdn/goglobal/keyboards/kbdit.htm


How do you accent "maiuscoli" with 
the Italian keyboard? (Ñ  Ç  À  Á  Â  
Ä). 


 


US International keyboard 


["Dead" keys  ~   `  
 '   "   ^   and Alt-Gr (right Alt 
key) and Shift keys add dozens of new characters]


Typing ñ ç à á â ä is intuitive, and 
requires only one extra key to be pressed. All of these accents are also 
available for upper-case letters by using the Shift key and the appropriate 
"dead" key (Ñ  Ç  À  Á  Â  Ä). (But still no š or 
č).


http://www.microsoft.com/resources/msdn/goglobal/keyboards/kbdusx.htm


The extended UK keyboard has advantages 
very similar to those of the US International keyboard.


http://www.microsoft.com/resources/msdn/goglobal/keyboards/kbdukx.htm


 


The US International keyboard is the primary 
keyboard layout used in the Netherlands.


 


Hey, look at this! The Slovenian/Croatian keyboard 
has the upside-down ^ !


And it even has accented "maiuscoli".


http://www.microsoft.com/resources/msdn/goglobal/keyboards/kbdcr.htm


{But I don't think I'll install it on my 
PC).


 


Joe from Massachusetts



 Joe from Massachusetts
There was in ICLIt a German named Wolfgang that said he used to
have an automatic signature containing all possible characters
he needed, including the non-breaking-space: ' ', so copy and
paste was made easier.
When he finished to compose a message and wanted to send it, he
deleted the no more useful part of his signature.
Of course you need to set the charset to UTF-8 to mix together
all possible Unicode characters.
Whenever these multi-lingual questions arise I think that if
computer science and technology had been founded in Europe
these problems would have been solved in the design stage, not
with patches and fixes.
In other words, instead of the 7 bits ASCII the standard charset
would have been a 16 bits Unicode-like table since the
beginning of the computer-era.
-- 
"There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is
the true method."
                -- Herman Melville, Moby Dick


Gli Udinesi non fanno lis pipis. Interessante.
Son tutti dei palloni gonfiati l�?
Joe from Massachusetts

 Son tutti dei palloni gonfiati lï¿œ?
What do you mean? 
Very few people write in Friulian, sadly, pipis or not.
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