Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Per migliorare la pronuncia?

Buongiorno,
vorrei chiedervi un'informazione. Vorrei vedere dei film in lingua
inglese per migliorare la pronuncia, ma mi hanno detto che in molti
film c'è una pronuncia americana, che è diversa da quella "inglese" in
senso britannico. Mi consigliereste dei film in cui c'è una pronuncia
di tipo "britannico"?
Grazie!

 di tipo "britannico"?
Mi unisco anche io alla domanda perché cercavo dei film inglesi di
qualsiasi difficoltà (ma preferibilmente, e questo dovrebbe trovarmi
d'accordo con Dryade, non con accenti troppo regionali). Per non fare
confusione potreste segnalare anche la difficoltà di ogni film (magari
Dryade cerca film difficili, o molto facili..., mentre per me è lo stesso)?
* ci sono accenti inglesi "corretti" (la maggior parte) e alcuni un po'
strani tipo quello di Gimli, di Pippin e Merry, e quello di Samwise, che è
una specie di misto inglese/americano. Per il resto, come ho detto si
tratta di accenti corretti, tendenzialmente utilizzabili per imparare (ma,
come si è visto, potrei sbagliare...).
Ciao, FB

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Mi dispiace, mio Italino e non buono, cosi scrivo in Inglese.
If you want improve your pronunciation I wouldn't recommend listening
to films at all due to all the different accents. Listen to the UK
News via satellite, BBC News, ITN News, Sky News..etc all the news
readers speak with no distinctive accents at all.

 BBC News
It is also possible to listen to the BBC World Service:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/index.shtml
Bye, FB

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 with no distinctive accents at all.
It would be good, but unfortunately here you can't have subtitles.
That's why people prefers movies, IMHO.
Bye
Davide

 to films at all due to all the different accents.
I really can't agree. Average pronounciation of English in Italy is *really*
bad. It's so bad that most people cannot even tell if what it's American accent
and what it's British accent. From this point of view, how can any distinctive
accent make any different in the learning process? Even if one of these people
was forced to live with someone with a strong Boston accent and listen only to
him, he would end up speaking a still *correct* American with Boston accent.
How can that be bad, compared to how he was speaking before?
I think it pretty much depends on the level. I would suggest dryade to just
ignore accent differences and start watching whatever movies he likes. Much
later, when he's able to tell a British accent from an American accent by
himself, he will pick whatever he needs. Doing this beforehand isn't going to
help that much, I really don't see watching American movies doing anything bad
to your accent even if you want a chiefly British nuance.
For instance, even if I do speak and learn American English mainly, I must say
I really like London slang and I wouldn't mind learn how to fake it, just for
the sake of good comedy. I've been watching Snatch and Lock & Stock exactly for
this, in the past few months.
-- 
Giovanni Bajo

i like watching english movies very much, and now thanks to p2p programs one
has the opportunity
to watch different movies every day. a movie which in my opinion is really
good to learn english is barry lyndon
by stanley kubrick (not american at all). dialogues are understandable quite
without subtitles. the best mean to learn i think are dvd movies, which can
be seen either with or without subtitles.
if anything in my posts should not sound correct, please tell me. i'm here
to impove.

 di tipo "britannico"?
Kind Hearts and Coronets
Four Weddings and a Funeral
(TV) Yes, Minister
(TV) Yes, Prime Minister
(TV) Fawlty Towers
The Remains of the Day
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 Kind Hearts and Coronets
Well, I wouldn't recommend it to improve pronunciation... I think most
accents are obsolete (crammed with rolled "r", for example).
Bye, FB

 How can that be bad, compared to how he was speaking before?
I agree with you!
Bye
Davide

this, in the past few months.
Great movies, but my point about different accents in Lock Stock you
had the "Cockneys" from London (southern fairies) and the "Scousers"
from Liverpool (northern monkeys) <G> You're not going to improve your
pronunciation by listening to those accents, well only for a laugh
like you said.
The Godfather was on TV here the other night, my Italian is very poor,
I'm in this group to try to improve it, In the film my Michael Coleone
was hiding in Sicily and when his body guards were speaking Italian
the words I did understand sounded so different, I just put it down to
a Sicilian accent.

The Remains of the Day
Wouldn't it be great of we all spoke like Basil Faulty ;-)

to impove.
"dialogues are understandable quite without subtitles"
should be..
"dialogues are quite understandable without subtitles"
How was this Italian?
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 "Mi dispiace, mio Italino e non buono, cosi scrivo in Inglese"
Mi dispiace, il mio Italiano non è buono, quindi scrivo in inglese.
-- 
Mary

 Wouldn't it be great of we all spoke like Basil Faulty ;-)
Does he speak with a peculiar accent? What's his accent, anyhow?
Bye, FB

 "Mi dispiace, mio Italino e non buono, cosi scrivo in Inglese"
"Mi dispiace, il mio italiano non č buono (non parlo bene in italiano),
perciň scrivo in inglese".
"Cosě" is not wrong, but in this case I'd say "perciň" or "quindi".
Ciao, FB

 "Mi dispiace, mio Italino e non buono, cosi scrivo in Inglese"
Never let the accents out: <e> should be <č> (unless you meant "and");
<cosi> should be <cosě> (unless you meant "weird things", "thingummies").
When one can't type accented vowels, it is customary to use apostrophes
instead: <e'>, <cosi'>.
Other minor corrections:
- <mio> should be <il mio> (apart a couple of exceptions, possessives always
have a definite article);
- <Italiano> and other national adjectives or nouns should never be
capitalized (there are a few exceptions with plural forms, but it's an
optional rule, so just forget about it);
- <č non buono> is acceptable, but it sounds like "it is "un-good">: better
saying <non č buono>.
Ciao.
Marco
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 accent is the way to improve it.
I see, but if someone wants to learn American English, what should he
listen to other than American movies?
As for American English accents, some are lovely, as much as some British
English accents are appalling; but then I think every accent can have some
charm (do I really think so?).
Ciao, FB

 bad. 
By regularly listening to the BBC World Service, either online or even by 
a cheap old short-wave receiver (that's what I've doing for years) one can
reach a very good level of pronunciation of British English, as well as a
wide vocabulary on virtually anything.
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> a cheap old short-wave receiver (that's what I've doing for years) one can
Pardon. What I've been doing for years
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 a Sicilian accent.
It's much worse than that. It's not Italian, it's Sicilian, which is a
different language (or a very very strong dialect). I cannot understand what
they are saying in that movie without captions. I probably get small sentences
every once in a while, partly because my father is from Sicily and partly
because I used to see a Sicilian girl. But really, I can't get most of it. I
suppose they don't show American movies with captions in UK, so it is a totally
different situation. It would be like trying to learn English through Irish, or
something like that.
[*] By the way, I think my own pronounciation is quite bad.
-- 
Giovanni Bajo

thanks
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/index.shtml
I prefer 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7
 
You can also listen to radio adaptation of books that have been
written by:
T. Pratchett, J. Follet, C. Dickens, T. Hardy, E. Peters, J. K. Jerome
and so on. 
Oh, there is also J. Austen, and, yes, they'll broadcast "Sense and
Sensibility" soon :-).
'bye

 instead: <e'>, <cosi'>.
Or you can write an accent sign after the vowel in citta`, e`, li`, pero`, piu`, 
and an apostrophe after the the e in perche'.
:)
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 :)
Se può scrivere accenti, tanto vale che lo faccia sopra la lettera, no?
Perché, poi, dovrebbe usare un apostrofo soltanto per "perché"?
Ciao, FB

 Sensibility" soon :-).
Wonderful! Fortunately I've just listened to bbc7 for a minute, or I
wouldn't have realised that now it's 19.28 in GB, not 20.28.
Bye, FB

 Perché, poi, dovrebbe usare un apostrofo soltanto per "perché"?
Perche' e` un accento diverso :)
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Quanto vi invidio!!!! Io di "quella roba" senza sottotitoli non ci capisco
assolutamente niente :''(((
(ho provato col tg che fanno la notte su La7, mi pare sia la CNN)

 (ho provato col tg che fanno la notte su La7, mi pare sia la CNN)
Riesci a capire? Comunque l'esercizio aiuta moltissimo. 
Ciao, FB

 Riesci a capire? Comunque l'esercizio aiuta moltissimo.
Come dicevo, no! Cioč capisco una parola ogni 4-5, quindi del discordo zero
assoluto...!!! :'(((
Penso cosě valga poco anche come esercizio....

 quindi del discordo zero
discorso :)

 Penso cosě valga poco anche come esercizio....
Beh, male non fa, perché ti abitui. Certo, puň essere un po' fastidioso
sentire gente che fa degli strani versi e capire una parola ogni tanto.
Ciao, FB

 wrote:
Ciao,
rispondo a te, ma in realta' rispondo a tutti. Vi ringrazio per i
vostri consigli. In particolare non avevo pensato ad ascoltare le
versioni orali dei libri, buona idea! Volevo imparare la pronuncia
britannica perché vorrei tanto andare a vivere in Inghilterra. Ce la
mettero' tutta!
Grazie ancora.
dryade

 sentire gente che fa degli strani versi e capire una parola ogni tanto.
Hai colto perfettamente nel segno :-)

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Thanks Marco and to everyone else that replied, I think I'll practise
a bit more before writing in Italian again.

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Io non capisco. Are you saying that the News programs are useless
without subtitles? I thought the original poster was talking about
pronunciation, not how to speak English


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Not so much his accent but his attitude :-)

[*] By the way, I think my own pronounciation is quite bad.
Well, you sound alright to me ;-)

 some Scottish accents.
Well, I'm still laughing!
Bye, FB

 charm (do I really think so?).
Accents are great, I love them. As long as they are not so broad that
I can't understand what the person is saying. Recently I have heard
some journalists from India , and they were basically
incomprehensible to me, although speaking English.
Also some years ago I was staying at Rimini and I was amazed that the
waiters could understand the English tourists, because I sure
couldn't! Then the ticket seller at the railways tried replying in
German to my italian. I'm sure I don't sound German. .... but one
never knows.
And does anyone use internet radio to listen to languges? I would if
I could, as it seems a great way to here stuff. Interviews are good,
I notice italian interviews are usually slow and easier to follow.
(But not the news which is veloce-issimo)
Cheers
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Do they all face ХР or some face ИС?  - I can't do them alone.... 
I was once told that many italians did it wrong. (It was an italian
grammar book)
Cheers,
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 un'altra... Insomma, l'inglese scritto viene prima.
Questo č vero, ma secondo me č un cane che si morde la coda...io rtengo
di avere un vocabolario almeno sufficiente (leggo senza nessun problema
i libri per i livelli intermediate, e bene o male leggo anche i libri non
facilitati, senza ricorrere cosě spesso al vocabolario, magari certo
andando a volte ad intuito), ma non riesco comunque separare le parole in
un discorso ascoltato, e questo penso sia proprio a causa della pronuncia.
Per questo preferisco i film con i sottotitoli (anche se si potrebbe
disquisire sul fatto che con i sottotitoli ti concentri molto sulla
lettura e spesso non lo senti nemmeno, quello che viene detto).
Ciao
Davide

 lettura e spesso non lo senti nemmeno, quello che viene detto).
Verissimo anche questo, però ritengo che i sottotitoli in inglese siano un
passaggio necessario. Io li tolgo appena posso, o li lascio e guardo solo
quando non capisco. Ma spesso li tolgo anche perché se comincio a non
capire non mi sforzo e leggo subito.
Ciao, FB

 assoluto...!!! :'(((
Prova con BBC World News da Internet, e` piu` semplice da seguire.
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 Prova con BBC World News da Internet, e` piu` semplice da seguire.
LoL, ho trovato sul sito 
www.bbcworld.com
 (è quello che dicevi?) un file
audio di un intervista da ascoltare con real player in streaming.
Incredibilmente capivo benissimo!!! Le parole erano ben scandite e i termini
usati estremamente elementari! Non mi pareva vero!!!
......................................poi...................................
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ho scoperto che quello che parlava era Claudio Ranieri allenatore del
Chelsea! :DDDDDDDD
E' stata solo l'illusione di un  momento... :'(
:-)

 LoL, ho trovato sul sito 
www.bbcworld.com
 (è quello che dicevi?)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/ram/live_infent.ram
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/worldservice.shtml
per ascoltare il BBC World Service Live con Real Audio
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grammar book)
Many italians don't use correct accents. è and é are two different
sounds, the same with ò and ó. You don't see ó because in Italian we
write only the accent on the words, and there are no words that ends
with a ó.
The verb è and the second e in perché are different. Many Italian say
è and perchè. I live near Verona, and I do say è and perché. Mi
friends in Milan say è and perchè.
In English you have twelve vowel sounds. In Italian there are 7 vowel
sounds. a è é i ò ó u.
Some examples
càsa
móndo (I think that in the south they say mòndo)
mòto (in Bergamo they say móto)
fèsta
césta
lìbro
mùschio
Take this word, botte. Two meanings. Barrel and the plural of "botta".
They have a different pronunciation. Bòtte is the plural of bòtta,
bótte is the singular of bótti.
If I manage to find a mic I can record myself uttering some of these
words, if you want.
Sebastiano
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No wonder people say "gesundheit" when you say "Tchaikovsky".

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 per ascoltare il BBC World Service Live con Real Audio
Grazie!

 to films at all due to all the different accents. Listen to the UK
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Intendevo dire "migliorare". : >0
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 che usavo verra` presto abbandonato

 devono "imparare" un accento finto.
E' per questo che cercavo un film (o un altro modo per ascoltare l'accento
di Boston) con veri accenti di Boston. Se in un film sento degli accenti
molto romani è difficile che gli attori non siano davvero romani.
Ciao, FB

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 con l'accento perfetto,  e imitarlo. :>)
not me! :)
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 molto romani è difficile che gli attori non siano davvero romani.
Pero` non e` che a Roma tutti parlino come Alberto Sordi ;D
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 di Boston) con veri accenti di Boston. 
Non conosco bene gli accenti americani, ma Katherine Hepburn aveva un
accento che mi sembra "posh" - sarebbe bostoniano?
-- 
Mary

 accento che mi sembra "posh" - sarebbe bostoniano?
Non l'ho mai sentita. Mi risulta fosse di Hartford (Connecticut) quindi, a
meno che l'abbiano obbligata a recitare con l'accento di Boston per una
vita intera... (faccina sorridente)
Ciao, FB

 Pero` non e` che a Roma tutti parlino come Alberto Sordi ;D
Sě, perň non credo che esista un film con un milanese che parla in
romanesco.
Ciao, FB

 English accent they think it sounds great.
Also no offense [sic] meant here, but not all Americans think the British 
accent is great. There is a fairly common feeling that the men speak like 
pansies. :-)
I have a dear friend who fell in love with a Brit and was deliberating on 
how "involved" with him she wanted to become. (She eventually married 
him.) When I asked her what the problems were, she mentioned his "British 
'Accent'" and cited as an example the use of the term "jumper" to refer 
to his "sweater/pullover." Here, a jumper is a girl's dress.
-- 
Un-not my address if you wanna reply.

 Davide

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AmEng Joe here.
I live in NY and never heard anyone say *nore* for no, (unless you mean 
"naw", which is a variant pronunciation used all over the US) but I do 
agree that the NY accent is *not* the best for purity. I don't know where 
such a "pure" accent would reside in the US, for that matter. There are 
regional differences all over the country.
In my opinion, learning to speak English (at least American English, 
where regional accents are generally not considered to be indications of 
caste), whatever accent you use -- or mixture of accents picked up from 
several movies or other sources -- will be acceptable (to most 
Americans.)
More important, I think, than which accent to adopt (in AmEng) is 
learning to discern the pronunciation -- in whatever "accent" -- of words 
that seem impossible to a native speaker of Italian, such as "thought" 
and all the others in "ough", "knowledgable", "people", "clothes" and 
other such words that have a myriad of silent or otherwise-
oddly-pronounced letters.
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, FB says...
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AmEng Joe here.
Ok, sono nato a Boston, e, se vuoi, ti mandero' un wave di "whatever", e 
nel accento di Boston, e senza accento.
Puoi anche scegliere il brano...
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, Mary Cassidy says...
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Per me, ex-Bostoniano (?), l'accento della Hepburn sembrava "British"! :)
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 Puoi anche scegliere il brano...
Va bene. 
http://www.gutenberg.net/etext94/sense11.txt
 ("The family of Dashwood...")
Decidi tu quanto vuoi leggere, tanto ho la linea adsl e non ho problemi di
tempo (forse potresti avere problemi tu a spedire file grossi, quindi
decidi tu).
Mille grazie. 
Ciao, FB

 regional differences all over the country.
NY, NY, US 
:-D
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I think the term "smoking a fag" has to be the best misinterpretation
;-)

 insane trying to find  "me droogs" in their English-Italian dictionaries?
That would be really tough.
 
Yet, that's  not simply a matter of pronunciation, C.O. characters
utter their own made up words, don't they? "Droogs" stands for
friends, AFAIK. 
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Se poi volessi mettere su un web [*] con un linkino... 
anche qualcun altro potrebbe essere interessato ;-)
[*] se serve, il mio spazio web e` a disposizione :)
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 [*] se serve, il mio spazio web e` a disposizione :)
Penso di potermela cavare col mio (non quello che regala 1.000.000 $ a chi
riesce a scaricare un file, l'altro)
Ciao, FB

è = is 
Does it also mean "it is"?
Per esempio
 "è lontana da qui"
and it means "you are" as well doesn't it?

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 and it means "you are" as well doesn't it?
No. "You are" is "(tu) sei".
Bye, FB

 >  "č lontana da qui"
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LOL      VERY different meaning in the US!
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;-)
Hehehe, Or "to suck on a fag". ^_^
Sebastiano
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No wonder people say "gesundheit" when you say "Tchaikovsky".

No. "You are" is "(tu) sei".
but what about
lei è .. I thought meant "you are" in a polite form ?
and when the subject is understood just
è
quindi, If I was to ask you
è di l'italia? are you from Italy?
sbaglio?

 
Ma scusi, certo che non vuoi che legga tutto questa mescolanza di 
"legalese" ecc al principio? :o
Che incominia al capitolo 1? Ok.
It's long, and as you said, the wav will be big. If it's too big, I can 
zip it, but I'll see what develops, and maybe I can put it onto my site, 
(although my "students" would have *no idea* why that link is there. 
[you'll see what I mean.])
Vuoi tutte e due versioni?: con e senza accento? In quel caso, farei 
meglio di leggere piccoli brani, prima in bostoniana :-) e poi in 
"inglese", credo.
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 lei è .. I thought meant "you are" in a polite form ?
Right you are! 
Now I get what you mean :)
For instance, if someone asks you "E' americano?", that means "Are you
American?". 
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  "è lontana da qui"
Subject pronouns are often omitted in Italian.
In many cases, you can just say "E'... ", instead of "Cio` e`" /  "Egli
e`" / "Ella e`" / "Esso e`" / "Essa e`" and so on.
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 Che bello, che bello! 
E sempre Jane Austen! Oy vey! (Come diceva mia nonna siciliana.) Ieri 
lavoravo con una mia studentessa (insegno "computer skills" ai vecchi -- 
diciamo "seniors" per non offendere) e veniva in mente che lei parlava 
spesso della JASNA, una associazione alla quale lei assiste.
All'improviso mi sono reso conto che la JASNA e' "The Jane Austen Society 
of North America"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHHH! I can't get away from her!  :-)
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I think you just answered a question of mine, Enrico.
I was wondering if, when using "Lei" for "you" (to be polite, show 
reverence, etc.) one always uses the feminine form (adjective, per 
esempio) which seems strange to me..
To greet a gentleman (or a thug, for that matter) "Scusi, Lei e' 
americana?" makes me feel as though I'd get my head bashed.
But in your example you said "[Lei]E' americano." So, then, the adjective 
agrees with the person represented by "Lei", yes?
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 "inglese", credo.
That would be nice :)
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 "inglese", credo.
O.K. Vada per un po' e un po'.
Ciao, FB

 agrees with the person represented by "Lei", yes?
Prezackly.
"Lei è americano?" ==> sto parlando a un uomo
"Lei è americana?" ==> sto parlando a una donna
Questo per quanto riguarda il polite "lei"; se è un "lei" che equivale
semplicemente a "she", allora è chiaro che l'aggettivo è sempre femminile.
Bye, FB

 
LOL. Good God, no! It's just my muddy Italian.
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In a similar way, when they use the polite "Voi" (*) in place of "tu",
the adjective agrees with the person represented by "Voi", and is
therefore singular.
"Voi siete molto generoso, signore."
(*) The polite "Voi" is used mostly in Southern Italy. 
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Thanks, both of you, for clearing that up.
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americana?" makes me feel as though I'd get my head bashed.
 My friend's sister lived in Italy for a while, She came back to
England with her Italian boyfriend. We all went out had a few beers
and played snooker together, I can't remember the exact conversation
but I do remember saying "lei" after he said "chi?" his reaction was
as if I'd insulted his mother, I was immediately informed by my mate's
sister that I should of used "tu". I find the application of all these
different "you's" very confusing.

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Yes, I agree. I find it interesting that someone would *appear* at least 
to be insulted by being greeted with the formal "lei" instead of "tu." I 
could understand the opposite: someone with a sense of importance or 
entitlement being insulted by being address with "tu," but the opposite? 
Hey, give me all the respect I (think I) deserve! :-)
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 Hey, give me all the respect I (think I) deserve! :-)
:)
It's not a matter of insults, but it only sounds strange to someone (to
me, for example). It is because you always got "tu", and then you grow up,
so people starts to use "lei" with you, and it is very odd! It makes you
feel old! :) I'll never forget the first time of my "lei": I had got my
driving licence something like 1 month before, I stopped to ask a girl
(maybe she was 16) a question. She anwered "Vada dritto per 500 metri..."
Whom are you speaking to???? :) 
Bye (and, as you are writing, please correct me all my bad mistake :)
Davide

 Bye (and, as you are writing, please correct me all my bad mistake :)
"and as you write (back), please correct all my mistakes (for me)."
Non e' necessario dire "my bad mistakes" e si dice "correct for me."
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 different "you's" very confusing.
Yeah, I was being talked to during a car trip with the Lei. My
response once I twigged was "Io?"  " Sì, Lei." 
It can make life very confusing. (* *)
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      ___   /\     / / O  
     /__ \   | \   /  |
    O  /  \ /   \./   |       Loki
        |________ |
 

 che usavo verra` presto abbandonato

 "bňtte" [closed o] [plural of "botta"] [blows].
The other way round: "bótte" ('barrel') is closed and "bňtte" ('lows')
is open. Everything else in your post looks OK to me.
One minor addition is that the vowels written "ě" and "ů" in standart
orthography are also written "í" and "ú" by some people, including a
few important publishers. This is not a practice that learners should
imitate, but they should not be surprised to find it in some novels
(rarely in other kinds of publications).
Ciao.
Marco

 grammar book)
It depends on where the accent is: at the end of the word [most 
common] or in the middle of the word [seldomly used].
I'll try to explain it, but please Italian speakers correct me if I am 
wrong :)
ACCENT AT THE END
When the accent is at the end of a word, on the very last letter [a 
vowel], it just tells you about the stress, and it is always a sloping 
sign, as in   a`  o`  i`  u` , 
with the only exception of the final "e", that can be either "e`" or 
"e'", and also tells you if it's 
a closed vowel, as in "perche'", 
or an open  vowel, as in "e`" or "bide`". 
citta` [town] 
si` [yes], altresi` [also]
pero` [though]
piu` [more], perlopiu` [mostly]
perche' [why/because] 
e` [is] , bide` [bidet]
Mind you, the final accent on one-syllable words is a special case.
It's not about the stress, that would be obvious anyway, as it's just 
one syllable! The accent on one-syllable words is useful, instead, to 
tell different meanings. For instance: 
da` = gives    -    da = from.
ne' = neither, or    -     ne = of it, from it
different meaning, but the same stress [of course!] and the same 
intonation
e` = is   -  e = and.
different meaning, but the same stress [of course!] and different  
intonation:  "e`" [open vowel] , "e" [closed vowel].
ACCENT IN THE MIDDLE
 
Accents on vowels that are not at the end of the word are seldomly 
used and you needn't worry too much about them.
They are optional, in fact, and are only used to make  things clear 
when some confusion may arise, for instance when there are two 
different meanings as in 
"pe`sca" [open e] [peach]  
and 
"pe'sca" [closed e] [fishing]. 
Usually such accents are not written, as context makes the meaning 
clear anyway. 
"Vado a pesca" = I'll go fishing
"Vorrei una pesca" = I'll have a peach, please
As Seba said,  you can  also see two different "o" accents in the 
middle of words, as in  
"bótte" [closed o] [barrel]  
and 
"bo`tte" [open o] [plural of "botta"] [blows].
You can also find such accents to make clear how to pronounce a vowel, 
for instance on dictionaries.
"corpo`reo" [open o] [physical, of the body], 
"corpóso" [closed o] [dense, full-bodied]. 
But, we don't usually write these accents.
"Bevi pure questo vino corposo, ma controlla il tuo peso corporeo."
In a few words, the accent in the middle tells you about stress, when 
it is necessary to tell different meanings.
"Princi`pi" [stressed "ci"] = plural of "principio", principles
"Principi" [stressed "pri"] = plural of "principe", princes
Nevertheless, "principi" is usually written with no accent sign in 
both cases, as context will suffice.
"I miei principi democratici mi impediscono di sposare principi."
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 (rarely in other kinds of publications).
Another tiny thing, almost minutiae: sometimes you can find an "i" 
with a diacritic mark, ď . 
Segnala la dieresi, ovvero la lettura distinta in due sillabe delle 
vocali di un dittongo [che normalmente si legge come una sola 
sillaba], in particolare per ragioni di metrica in una poesia.
"e prego anch'io nel tuo porto quďete" (Foscolo)
 
"il palpito lontano d'una trebbďatrice" (Pascoli)
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 nel accento di Boston, e senza accento.
Grazie per l'invio! Io pero` ho ricevuto 4 parti di 6. Non so FB 
L'ultimo messaggio dice: "Here's the fourth file. Only two to go."
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 che usavo verrà presto abbandonato

 place :)
There were, it was a crowded car. :-)
-- 
              O      __
      ___   /\     / / O  
     /__ \   | \   /  |
    O  /  \ /   \./   |       Loki
        |________ |
 

 ACCENT AT THE END
 --snip--
Phew! What a lot to remember!  From that I take it I only need worry
about é. ;-)
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Bene, ma il mio DSL e' caduto oggi, e non si risolvera' ... until 
Tuesday, maybe, so please excuse the delay.. I'll send them then!
Vado dalla famiglia nella Nuova Inghilterra domani, per la Pasqua.
Buona Pasqua a tutti
-- 
Un-not my address if you wanna reply.

Bene, ma il mio DSL e' caduto oggi
Joey, che significa "caduto" in inglese?
"fallen?" è la l'inglese traduzione.
please let me know if there's anything wrong with my Italian spelling
or gramma.

or gramma.
It should have been "è la traduzione in inglese"
Sebastiano
-- 
No wonder people say "gesundheit" when you say "Tchaikovsky".

 Buona Pasqua a tutti
Thanks! The same to you! 
Have a Happy Easter, everybody!
-- 
Enrico C

 "la mia adsl non funziona da oggi". 
Or, when it's just slower than usual, or works intermittently, someone 
talks of 
"melassa", treacle :DDD
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 [si dice? come "lasciare a piedi"?]
No, non si dice. "Let you down" sarebbe normale.
-- 
Mary

talks of "melassa", treacle :DDD
I didn't know that. :)
I remember the www called world wide wait. I'm still in this kind of
www. :/
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 I didn't know that. :)
It is sometimes used on my ISP's BBS. 
Maybe it's a sort of idiolect :)
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, jonny says...
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Yes, fallen... I couldn't think of how to say "My DSL is down" (non 
funziona, e' guasto, e' rotto...) so I said "caduto.")
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LOL
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E qui diciamo "slow as molasses."
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, Mary Cassidy says...
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Grazie, Mary. Io non lo conoscevo, "lasciare a piedi."
Ora si'.
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Ora si'.
È un'espressione che viene dal mondo dell'auto. L'auto rotta ti lascia
a piedi, perché devi camminare. Il significato si è esteso, e una
qualsiasi macchina (machine, automobile, gizmo) che non funziona, ti
lascia a piedi. "La mia fidanzata mi ha lasciato a piedi" significa
che tale fidanzata è partita con la macchina e ti ha lasciato
*letteralmente* a piedi.
Penso di averla usata solamente parlando di automobili, ma non
*storcerei il naso* - did you know this one? - se la sentissi riferita
a cose diverse.
"storcere il naso" means to manifest puzzlement or disapproval (as I
was using it) or disgust (as in "un odore che fa storcere il naso")
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 about é. ;-)
Remember that all words ending in stressed "che" have a "è":
perché
giacché
poiché
eppelché (sorry)
etc.
Also:
viceré
trentatré
Bye, FB

 riesce a scaricare un file, l'altro)
Alla fine FB mi ha chiesto di mettere su io i  file sonori (wav) di 
Joey che legge la Austen con accento bostoniano e senza.
Li si puo` scaricare da
http://www.lillathedog.net/icling/accents.html
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http://www.lillathedog.net/icling/accents.html
molto bello, pero' non si potrebbero convertire in formato mp3 (per es. mono
a 56kbs)? per chi ha un modem sono un po' troppo voluminosi...
Lorenz

 per chi ha un modem sono un po' troppo voluminosi...
Ora sono tre file da circa 500KB l'uno    :)
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 Ora sono tre file da circa 500KB l'uno    :)
Apperò!
Ciao, FB

 Ora sono tre file da circa 500KB l'uno    :)
Thank you, it's much better now! Anyway, for my untrained italian ears, the
Boston accent sounds very American in general style. I had to prick up my
ears to pick out some differences: I get some dropped Rs (for ex. in words
like manner, sister, park...) but not much more than that.
Finally, I point out the site "Speech accent archive"
http://classweb.gmu.edu/accent/home.html
 which collects no less than 333
speech samples from native and non-native English speakers worldwide. Very
extensive and also very fun on some occasions!
Lorenzo

 like manner, sister, park...) but not much more than that.
Precisely! That was my impression too. 
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I must say, I had to try hard to remember how it goes (the Boston 
accent.) It's been over 15 years since I trained myself *not* to speak 
that way, and it's not easy to undo so quickly.
If you watch(ed) any episodes of "Cheers", the postman, Cliff Claven, 
did a pretty good rendition of it.
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 did a pretty good rendition of it.
How about Norman Lloyd (Mr. Nolan) in "Dead Poets Society"? What accent
does he have?
Bye, FB