Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: frasi negative con can

Ad esempio:
"tu puoi non fare questa cosa."
come dovrebbe essere tradotto?
se scrivo:
"you can not make this thing" il significato è ovviamente diverso...
Grazie,
Daniele

 "you can not make this thing" il significato è ovviamente diverso...
No, perché "non puoi" si scrive "can't" o "cannot".
Ciao, FB
-- 
"Something to take to the country." (holding out a bunch of flowers)
"Flowers come _from_ the country, Charles."
(Cold Comfort Farm, the film)

 No, perché "non puoi" si scrive "can't" o "cannot".
Infatti, lui ha detto che tu puoi non fare. Quindi "you can not make".
-- 
Marco Paunescu
(Aka Pau)
Love is the Dance of Eternity

 Infatti, lui ha detto che tu puoi non fare. Quindi "you can not make".
That's what I implied, wasn't it? He thought he couldn't write "can not"
with the meaning "puoi non" (as opposed to "non puoi"); I explained to him
that "can not" means only that.
Ciao, FB
-- 
"Are you sure an embryo parson should have a plane?"
"Everyone should have a plane!"
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 come dovrebbe essere tradotto?
You don't have to do this thing
bye,
/D

 You don't have to do this thing
ok, grazie. anche agli altri.

 No, perché "non puoi" si scrive "can't" o "cannot".
cioé è obbligatorio scrivere can't e cannot, ma non è corretto can not?

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Credo proprio di no (col significato "non puoi"), ma mi rifiuto di
garantirtelo al 100%! (faccina sorridente)
Ciao, FB
-- 
L'importante è che risplenda tu, sola primadonna e immarcescibile leggenda
del tuo pianerottolo.
(Lucangel su it.cultura.libri)

 ha scritto nel messaggio
news:hmile.945384$b5.41...@news3.tin.it...
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 Cannot e' piu' usato negli Stati Uniti.Il senso non cambia.
Che vuoi dire?
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Ciao, FB
-- 
"It sounds appalling!"
"Interesting and appalling. The others just sound appalling!"
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"You can do that, but you can also not do that" would be correct,
although not a direct translation of the phrase.
Without something between "can" and "not", it would be impossible to
get across the subtle distinction between the two meanings.
Joe from Massachusetts

 get across the subtle distinction between the two meanings.
A suitable pause or emphasis would do it. This only works
when speaking, of course.
In writing, I fear you'd need to say "Not doing this is also
possible" or "It is permitted not to do this" or "This
is not obligatory" or something.

 is not obligatory" or something.
In writing you can write "you can not", can't you? Although I admit that a
periphrasis would be better.
Bye, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

 periphrasis would be better.
Con l'acccezione di "tu puoi non fare qualcosa", direi proprio di no.
Nessuno lo capirebbe.
-- 
Mary

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Siete stupidiii!
(faccina sorridente)
(ho avuto un momento di neimannite)
Però posso dire "you may not go", con enfasi su "go", vero?
Ciao, FB
-- 
"Are you sure an embryo parson should have a plane?"
"Everyone should have a plane!"
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 Perň posso dire "you may not go", con enfasi su "go", vero?
Con l'accezione di "tu puoi non andare", direi proprio di no.
Nessuno lo capirebbe.
-- 
Mary

 Although I admit that a periphrasis would be better.
By the way, very few people would understand the word "periphrasis";
"paraphrase" would be better.
-- 
Mary

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It's not the same thing, is it. "Circomlocution"?
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 It's not the same thing, is it. "Circomlocution"?
As I understand it, periphrasis means using more words than actually
necessary for rhetorical effect, whereas paraphrase means expressing the
same thing in different words.
In the case we're talking about, the additional words are actually
necessary, so it's a paraphrase.
-- 
Mary