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Titolo: what's better?

What do you call food which hasn't been canned and/or frozen?
Fresh food, fresh product?
And what's the difference between "food" and "foods". May I say "fresh 
foods" instead of "fresh food"?
Kiuhnm

foods" instead of "fresh food"?
Yes, you can say either. "Foods" would be used more often if
there was a range of fresh food types, like fresh vegetables, 
fresh meat, fresh fruit, etc. The "fresh food" section of a
supermarket sells fresh foods.
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Raymot
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Brisbane, Aus.

 supermarket sells fresh foods.
Ok, thanks.
Kiuhnm

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In the US, "produce" refers to anything which is grown.
Every supermarket in the US has a "produce" department where you can find
fresh fruits, vegetables, onions, garlic, herbs, etc.
In the US, the "meat" department (sometimes called the "butcher shop") of a
supermarket is where fresh meat (as opposed to frozen) is sold.
There is a separate "seafood" department where fresh seafood is sold.
Frozen foods, including frozen meat and frozen fish, are in the "frozen
food" department.
In the US, there is no "fresh food" department in a supermarket.
Typical sections in a supermarket include seafood, meat, bakery,
deli(catessen) and produce.
http://www.bigy.com/market/index.php
Joe from Massachusetts

 
http://www.bigy.com/market/index.php
But fresh produce + fresh meat + ... = fresh food, right?
Or is "fresh food" something you wouldn't say in any circumstance?
Kiuhnm

 In the US, "produce" refers to anything which is grown.
Scusatemi se mi intrometto
Sento spesso dire "which is" oppure "which are" ma quando scrivo o parlo mi 
è difficile utilizzarli.
Non bastava dire "which grows"
Francesco 

 Non bastava dire "which grows"
No, you're using the intransitive form of the verb, while we want the 
transitive one (have a look at your dictionary).
Kiuhnm


Ho dato un'occhiata al mio dizionario ma in esso non è scritto alcun che al 
riguardo.
Potete consigliarmi dei link oppure potete citarmi degli esempi per farmi 
capire meglio questo concetto??
Francesco

 capire meglio questo concetto??
Growing plants is like raising children, but somewhat easier.
Kiuhnm

 Growing plants is like raising children, but somewhat easier.
Da quello che ho potuto capire leggendo un pň su internet č che
"which grows"->"che cresce"
"which is grown"->"che č cresciuto"
Attendo conferma

 "which is grown"->"che č cresciuto"
And "which has grown"?
I write but you don't read. It's not my fault. Why do you ask if you 
completely disregard the answers?
Kiuhnm


Scusami non capisco cosa vuoi dirmi:-(
Ora mi stai confondendo di più le idee...
Che differenza c'è tra
"which has grown" e "which is grown"??

 "which has grown" e "which is grown"??
If something grows, it becomes bigger, more developed, etc...
You grow something when you cultivate it. You grow plants but you raise, 
not grow, children.
If you grow something then it IS grown by you.
If something has grown then it has become bigger, taller, etc...
Kiuhnm

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which has grown = che è cresciuto; The child has grown = il bambino è 
cresciuto - grow usato in forma intransitiva (senza complemento oggetto), 
con ausiliare "to have"
"which is grown" è una forma passiva. "Grow" ha, fra gli altri, anche il 
significato di produrre, coltivare, per es. "The Americans grow wheat" gli 
americani coltivano grano, "Wheat is grown in America" grano è coltivato in 
America, o meglio, "in America si coltiva grano" - grow usato in forma 
transitiva (con complemento oggetto), con ausiliare "to be
Per ora mi vengono in mente solo questi esempi, spero di essere stata di 
aiuto.
Anna


Ti ringrazio per la risposta.
Io prima ho chiesto il perchč Kiuhnm avesse scritto "which is grown" 
piuttosto che "which grows".
Lui ha utilizzato la forma transitiva dove il complemento oggetto della 
frase č which mentre nella seconda frase which č il soggetto e quindi la 
frase č intransitiva...č cosě?
Che confusione:-(
Aiutatemi a capire il senso della frase in entrambi i modi
In the US, "produce" refers to anything which is grown. (Negli Stati Uniti, 
"produce" si riferisce a qualsiasi cosa che č coltivato)
In the US, "produce" refers to anything which grows (Negli Stati Uniti, 
"produce" si riferisce a qualsiasi cosa che cresce)..che mi sembra una frase 
senza senso
Francesco

Or is "fresh food" something you wouldn't say in any circumstance?
We have a large chain of stores, Woolworths (originally American,
I believe), whose motto is "Woolworths, the fresh food people".
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"The fresh food people" seems a silly slogan. I guess that means they don't
sell frozen food.
Do they mean to infer that the other supermarket chains sell stale food?
The American "Woolworth's" was one of the original "Five and Tens", which
didn't sell much food, if any, except at lunch counters, although they did
sell candy.
I was talking about departments in supermarkets, and there would never be
one called "fresh food".
I would use "fresh food" to differentiate between unprocessed food and
canned or frozen food, as in "Many people prefer frozen or canned food over
fresh food because it is more convenient, and often less expensive."
Joe from Massachusetts

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Some coffee plants grow wild, but most coffee is grown on farms by farmers
who harvest and sell it.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22is+grown+on+farms%22&btnG=Google+Search
Joe from Massachusetts

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Dandelions (tarassaco) grow wild in much of the US and are considered weeds
by most Americans. They are a plague on American lawns, since they have deep
roots. The leaves are usually about six inches long and very narrow. Some
people pick these wild dandelions for use in salads. However, the dandelion
is also grown on farms and this variety will have much longer and wider
leaves, and is sold as a leafy vegetable for use in salads or in cooking.
Joe from Massachusetts


Ci riprovo. Queste sono le tue frasi con le tue traduzioni:
In the US, "produce" refers to anything which is grown. = Negli Stati Uniti, 
"produce" si riferisce a qualsiasi cosa che è coltivato) - questa è chiara, 
no? qualunque cosa tu coltivi la chiami "produce", OK?
In the US, "produce" refers to anything which grows (Negli Stati Uniti, 
"produce" si riferisce a qualsiasi cosa che cresce) - questa significa che 
qualunque cosa cresca (anche le erbacce) viene chamata "produce".
Saluti,
Anna 

 often less expensive."
In altri contesti (non al supermercato) si parla anche di "processed"
food vs. "fresh"/"non-processed".
"Eating a diet high in processed meats, such as hot dogs, has been
linked to certain types of cancer."
http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/processedfoods.htm
"A 2005 University of Hawaii study found that processed meats
increase the risk of pancreatic cancer by 67 percent. Another study
revealed that every 50 grams of processed meat consumed daily
increases the risk of colorectal cancer by 50 percent. These are
alarming numbers. Note that these cancer risks do not come from
eating fresh, non-processed meats."
http://www.totalhealthbreakthroughs.com/newsletter/12-07-07_thb_fri.html
"...I’ve since learned that many people really don’t know the
difference between processed meat and non-processed meat (”fresh”
meat).
Here’s the difference:
Fresh meat usually has only one ingredient: The meat! Fresh meat is
refrigerated and has a very short shelf life (just a few days,
usually). It’s usually packaged in simple wrappers, with no fancy
logos or color printing.
Processed meat has many ingredients and is usually packaged for
long-term shelf life. These products almost always contain sodium
nitrite, the cancer-causing chemical additive that meat companies use
as a color fixer to turn their meat products a bright red
“fresh-looking” color. Processed meat products include:
    * Bacon
    * Sausage
    * Pepperoni
    * Beef jerky
    * Deli slices
    * Hot dogs
    * Sandwich meat (including those served at restaurants)
    * Ham
    * Meat “gift” products like Christmas sausages
    * Meat used in canned soups
    * Meat used in frozen pizza
    * Meat used in kid’s lunch products
    * Meat used in ravioli, spaghetti or Italian pasta products
… and many more meat products."
http://naturalcommunitiesmag.com/2007/11/27/processed-meat-dangers/
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Ma attenzione: la "fresh" meat (nel senso di unprocessed) può anche
essere "frozen", AFAIK, visto che la surgelazione, di per sé, non è
una lavorazione che alteri sensibilmente il prodotto.
"...the storage life of frozen unprocessed meat..."
(dal Food Industries Manual)
url breve: 
http://snurl.com/2ojdr
 
http://books.google.it/books?id=iG3wx9Wh5N4C&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=%22frozen+unprocessed+meat%22&source=web&ots=Vfd-t34Hg-&sig=ZeIL3cho7UdV7JCuYqk0azc11eI&hl=it&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result


Ti ringrazio ancora
Francesco 

fresh food because it is more convenient, and often less expensive."
So would I, and so does Woolworths(Aus).
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In US supermarkets, "fresh" means unprocessed and not frozen, but not
necessarily truly fresh. When tomatoes come from Mexico, grapes come from
Chile, and potatoes come from Prince Edward Island in Canada, none of them
are truly "fresh". Only locally-grown produce can be considered truly
"fresh", because it arrives at the local market a day after being harvested.
The large supermarkets have too great a requirement to be able to rely on
local growers for the volume of produce they purchase. Only small local
markets can provide truly "fresh" produce. Many "fresh" foods, including
tomatoes and oranges, are treated with gas before being shipped long
distances, to improve appearance and to avoid spoilage, but they are still
advertised as being "fresh".
Joe from Massachusetts

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josc...@cox.net
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Yes, this all applies to Aus. as well -- all the more reason for
a supermarket chain to claim they are the "fresh food people" 
even if it not literally true. It's marketing.
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era...@pencilcase.com.au
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PS: See 
http://www.woolworths.com.au/
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