Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Traduzione di "Liceo Linguistico"

Ciao a tutti,
sapreste dirmi come tradurre Liceo Linguistico in un Curriculum Vitae?
Mi serve per un Curriculum da presentare in America.
Grazie 

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Beh, non penso che si possa tradurre dato he qui non ci sono i vari
licei, ma c'e' solo una scuola superiore in cui alcune materie sono
obbligatorie e alcune a scelta.  Quando io frequentavo la scuola
superiore in California le materie a scelta dovaveno essere in numero
sufficiente da costituire un "major", ma ora non e' piu'
cosi'.  Comunque se io fossi in te userei ugualmente il termine major
anche se ora il termine si riferisce solo agli studi universitari.
You could express it more or less like this:
Graduation date  -  Name of School  - Major:  (metti le lingue in cui
ti sei specializzata)
Per dirti la verita' non ho mai visto un CV che listi la scuola
superiore almeno che non sia un resume' di qualche persona molto
giovane o qualcuno non ancora in possesso di una laurea.
bye
ari

 ma ora non e' piu' cosi'
Scusa, potresti dirmi se il sopra significa in inglese:
"it isn't like that anymore"? o qualcosa come quello?

 "it isn't like that anymore"? o qualcosa come quello?
Sì, significa proprio quello. :)
Non usare "il sopra" come "the above". Non lo usiamo. In alcuni contesti,
formali, si usano alcune espressioni simili, che comunque usate anche voi
(the above-mentioned, "sopra citato").
Io, per mantenere il tuo "sopra", avrei detto "potresti dirmi se la
frase/l'espressione sopra significhi in inglese..."
Probabilmente avrei scritto "Scusa, sapresti dirmi se questa frase
significhi 'it isn't like that anymore' o qualcosa di simile?"
Sebastiano

 giovane o qualcuno non ancora in possesso di una laurea.
Cioč, chiunque in California ha una laurea? E gli altri, non scrivono
resumé?
Ciao, FB
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Usually when a High School is listed on a resume in the US, it is
accompanied by some sort of description, such as "College
Preparatory", or "College Preparatory, Honors Program". I agree that
merely being a "High School Graduate" is not the greatest achievement
in the world, but not listing it on a resume, especially if you have
no higher degree, is going to close a lot of doors.
I agree that "Liceo Classico" cannot be translated. Under a section
entitled "Education", it should be listed as "Liceo Linguistico XXXXX,
Rome, Italy", followed by a description of how the school compares to
the American High School ("equivalent of the American High School,
plus xxxxx", followed by a listing of the special nature of study in
the school.
Most universities in the US require new students who have previously
studied a foreign language, and who intend to continue the study of th
at foreign language, to take a "placement exam", to determine their
competency in that language. Students who pass the examination are
permitted to skip all or part of the introductory courses (the
equivalent of 2 years of study) in that language, and may begin their
university studies with upper-level "Conversation and Composition" and
Literature courses. More than half the high-school graduates routinely
fail these examinations, which says, essentially, that the time they
spent studying a foreign language in secondary school is considered a
total or partial waste by the university, which indicates how
seriously the study of foreign languages is taken in American
secondary schools. This is not surprising, since it is not necessary
to prove competence in a foreign language in order to become a
foreign-language teacher at the secondary level in the Public School
system in the US. It is only necessary to have completed a prescribed
course of study in the language, and to have completed required
studies in educational techniques, with emphasis on the latter.
Private schools are not constrained by these requirements, and they
generally value competence in a language as the primary requirement
for a teacher. Most highly competent professors of foreign languages
at major universities in the US would not be qualified to teach in a
public secondary school, because they have not completed the courses
in "Education" which are required to teach in a public
secondary school. Einstein could not have taught in a public secondary
school in the US.
There are several things I don't understand about the "Liceo
Linguistico".
If it is a program of 4 or 5 years, equivalent perhaps to the American
High School with a college preparatory curriculum, plus one (possibly
two?) years of college, how can a student manage to learn two or three
foreign languages at a good level of competence, without sacrificing
some other important courses which should be part of a general
education?
I attended a Jesuit college preparatory school, which, I believe,
would be similar to what is called the "Liceo Classico" in Italy, and
we studied Latin, Classical Greek, and French, but we also studied
Physics, Algebra, Geometry, Trigonometry, Calculus, Government and
Politics, various courses in  American, European, and World History,
and English Language and Literature. Our French language program was
adequate and effective, but not intensive, and we had no audio or
visual aids, only a teacher and books. We only studied French for two
years, and only five hours per week were devoted to it, but in an
intensive program for French, I'm sure that many more hours per week
would be required.
How do they manage this in the "Liceo Linguistico"? How many languages
are studied by the average student in the "Liceo Linguistico" by the
average student? How many hours does a student spend in the classroom
each week? How many hours per week are devoted to each language? What
level of competence does the student reach upon completion of study in
such a school? Does the student receive any certification in the
language which is recognized internationally? What courses, other than
foreign languages, are required in the curricula of such schools?
Joe from Massachusetts

significhi 'it isn't like that anymore' o qualcosa di simile?"
Would you believe me if I told you that I wrote "significhi" in the
first place? I think I say this every time you correct me, but it is
true :) 
Thanks again.

of course it not the same thing
Sorry: "of course it's not ...."

 foreign languages, are required in the curricula of such schools?
le stesse che si fanno negli altri tipi di liceo: italiano, latino,
matematica, fisica, scienze, storia, filosofia... solo il greco antico
si studia esclusivamente al liceo classico.
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Si', si puo' dire, ma io direi piuttosto: It's no longer that way.
bye
ari

Si'  e  no.
ciao
ari

 Si'  e  no.
Seriamente? 
Ciao, FB
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A high school diploma in Italy carries a lot more weight than one in
the States and that's why they include it in their resumes.  One reason
is that high school there is not mandatory   or at least it wasn’t when
I lived there.  Consequently, not everyone has a high school diploma.
Since HS is mandatory in the States, it’s sort of silly to list it in
your resume’ unless, as you said, that’s the highest level of education
a preson has.  If that’s one’s highest educational achievement, then of
course, it should be included in the resume’.
Another factor that differentiates the two and that gives the Italian
high school diploma more status is the level of instruction.  HS in
Italy is comparable to junior college here.  I am sure you went to a
good school, but believe me, the state of education in grades k-12
leaves a lot to be desired in this great country of ours.  When I came
to the States and attended high school (and I happen to attend a good
one), I was amazed by how easy it was, in fact it was much easier than
middle school in Italy. The fact that it’s not mandatory and that it is
so much tougher makes the Italian diploma a sign of achievement.  So, I
guess that including it in your resume’ makes sense.  Here it’s a
different ball game and I don’t think Italians understand that.
I also want to point out that there are few professions/jobs that do
not require further education/training beyond the high school diploma.
You need a licence to do nails, to cut hair (actually, even to sweep
the floor in a beauty salon), to sell real estate, to sell contact
lenses;  you need to go to a truck driving school to be a truck driver;
etc. so  people who are in possession of one of these licences would
probably not list the HS diploma.  The additional schooling that  is so
often  required past the high school diploma, has further diminished
its importance.  In other words, put it simply, this is the situation:
professions where a resume’ is called for would require courses or
degrees beyond the HS diploma (ergo no point listing the HS diploma)
and those jobs where just a high school diploma will do, do not rquire
the applicant to submit a resume’.  That was the point I was trying to
make when said I have rarely seen high school diplomas listed on
resumes’.

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A high school diploma in Italy carries a lot more weight than one in
the States and that's why they include it in their resumes.  One
reason
is that high school there is not mandatory   or at least it wasnt when
I lived there.  Consequently, not everyone has a high school diploma.
Since HS is mandatory in the States, its sort of silly to list it in
your resume unless, as you said, thats the highest level of education
a preson has.  If thats ones highest educational achievement, then of
course, it should be included in the resume.
Another factor that differentiates the two and that gives the Italian
high school diploma more status is the level of instruction.  HS in
Italy is comparable to junior college here.  I am sure you went to a
good school, but believe me, the state of education in grades k-12
leaves a lot to be desired in this great country of ours.  When I came
to the States and attended high school (and I happen to attend a good
one), I was amazed by how easy it was, in fact it was much easier than
middle school in Italy. The fact that its not mandatory and that it is
so much tougher makes the Italian diploma a sign of achievement.  So,
I
guess that including it in your resume makes sense.  Here its a
different ball game and I dont think Italians understand that.
I also want to point out that there are few professions/jobs that do
not require further education/training beyond the high school diploma.
You need a licence to do nails, to cut hair (actually, even to sweep
the floor in a beauty salon), to sell real estate, to sell contact
lenses;  you need to go to a truck driving school to be a truck
driver;
etc. so  people who are in possession of one of these licences would
probably not list the HS diploma.  The additional schooling that  is
so
often  required past the high school diploma, has further diminished
its importance.  In other words, put it simply, this is the situation:
professions where a resume is called for would require courses or
degrees beyond the HS diploma (ergo no point listing the HS diploma)
and those jobs where just a high school diploma will do, do not rquire
the applicant to submit a resume.  That was the point I was trying to
make when said I have rarely seen high school diplomas listed on
resumes.
I agree that the high school diploma doesn't mean much, unless your
high school is a prep school with a good reputation, a public school
which requires an entrance examination, and has an outstanding
reputation in a particular field (Bronx High School of Science, for
example), or a private school which sets its standards much higher
than the public schools.
I had friends in Italy who left school when they were 14 years old to
go to work, and they could not always express themselves in Italian,
relying on the dialect. I often chided them with "say it in Italian, I
don't understand the dialect", until I found out that they couldn't
"say it in Itallian".
Joe from Massachusetts

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I am glad to see that in the liceo linguistico language courses don't
thrive at the expense of other important courses, but wouldn't it be
better to have only one foreign language, with three times as many
hours of study in that language, in order to reach a much higher level
of competence?
Joe from Massachusetts

 competence?
Ci sono una ventina di lingue solo nella UE, senza contare 
arabo, russo, ecc.
Tre lingue dovrebbero essere obbligatorie per tutte le 
scuole superiori, almeno a un livello di base.
Che poi la maggior parte degli europei usi una (nuova) 
specie di inglese per comunicare è un altro discorso.
-- 
Today no, tomorrow yes.

Can someone tell me why my apostrophes either don't appear or appear as
question marks?
Thanks
Ari

 question marks?
They don't appear as question marks with my newsreader (Netscape).
I think the problem is that instead of using normal apostrophes you've
cut and pasted curly ones, and some browsers can't cope with that.
-- 
Mary

Curly ones?   I only have one apostrohe and it's next to the Enter key
above the question mark key. It's the only apostrophe I have.
Ari


perché probabilmente hai incollato da una pagina web il testo della canzone
di Sinatra, e lì non erano stati usati i normali apostrofi.
Ciao,
-- 
Maria Luisa C - 07/01/2005 9.15.15

 above the question mark key. It's the only apostrophe I have.
As I said, I thought you'd probably cut and pasted a text containing
curly apostrophes, not typed it yourself.
Curly apostrophes and inverted commas are what you get if you replace
straight quotes with smart quotes in Word.
In your post in the "I've got you under my skin" thread, timed at 5.23
on Thursday, you used a normal apostrophe in the first two lines
(Sinatra's and you'll), but in the actual lyrics, you didn't; you used
an acute accent in the word "I've".
Either you typed an acute accent directly from your keyboard instead of
an apostrophe, or you cut and pasted lyrics containing a curly
apostrophe, which my newsreader replaces with an acute accent but others
replace with a question mark.
-- 
Mary

Thanks Mary!
ari

 English.
Right you are.
(questa costruzione della frase è usata per enfatizzare il significato o è
semplicemente un'espressione dialettale?)
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio
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