Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Pall Mall

No, I'm not a smoker. Last night, though, watching Goodfellas, I heard "Pall 
Mall" pronounced /pal mal/, which surprised me a little bit, having always 
thought that "Paul Mall" was the correct way to say it (also because a 
friend of mine who is a heavy smoker pronounces it like that).
What do you say?
Cheers,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
-- 
What do you do with a B.A. in English? 

friend of mine who is a heavy smoker pronounces it like that).
Ma sei mai stato a Spaccanapoli, dai contrabbandieri?
Pallmmall@, s' rice. Ho idea che Paul, in ogni modo, c'entri poco:
dovrebbe essere un toponimo che indica il luogo dove si praticava un
antico sport. Senti Merriam-Webster che dice:
Pronunciation: \,pel-'mel, ,pal-'mal, US often ,po?l-'mo?l\ 
Function: noun  Etymology:
Middle French pallemaille, from Italian pallamaglio, from palla ball
(of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German balla ball) + maglio
mallet, from Latin malleus — more at ball, maul Date: 1598
: a 17th century game in which each player attempts to drive a wooden
ball with a mallet down an alley and through a raised ring in as few
strokes as possible; also : the alley in which it is played
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La sign è in fase di revisione e sarà presto sostituita con 
una confacente agli indirizzi della ditta.

 
The cigarette (Pall Mall) is pronounced Paul-Maul;
the adverb meaning "willy-nilly" :-)  is:
"pell-mell" and pronounced as it's spelled,
adverb
in a confused, rushed, or disorderly manner : the contents of the sacks were 
thrown pell-mell to the ground.
Note that it's spelled "pell-mell."
-- 
Joey Dee from NYC
Remember: It is To Laugh

 strokes as possible; also : the alley in which it is played
I see. Grazie!
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 "pell-mell" and pronounced as it's spelled [cut]
Uh, buono a sapersi. Thanks!
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wrote:
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Sulla pronuncia mi ero interrogata anch'io e un amico inglese mi aveva
risposto che la zona di Londra si pronuncia Pael Mael, mentre
l'americano per "centro commerciale" si pronuncia con la a lunga .
Nel mio blog avevo fatto una piccola sintesi della storia della parola
Mall, senza però menzionare la pronuncia  . Vedi se ti interessa.
http://www.claudiacantaluppi.net/public/index.php?itemid=217
Ciao
Claudia

 
http://www.claudiacantaluppi.net/public/index.php?itemid=217
Interessante!
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 What do you say?
I don't remember that scene in the film. However, some of the characters
speak with strong New York and Northern New Jersey accents. In a land where
people say 'draw and sangwitch' instead of 'drawer and sandwich', pal mal
would seem to be a minor abberation. I had learned the pronunciation as Pell
Mell, but my uncle who smoked them would correct me and pronunce Paul Mall.
This is what someone on wikipedia has to say:
<<The cigarette's name is correctly pronounced with the rhyming couplet "pal
mal." In television advertising in the 1950s and earlier, announcers often
pronounced it to sound like "pell mell." Pall Mall and its sister brand
Lucky Strike were sponsors of the Jack Benny radio and television programs,
and histories of the show recount how the American Tobacco company would
dispatch numerous publicists to instruct the cast and staff of the correct
pronunciation. With the dissipation of cigarette advertising, first with
bans on radio, then television, the pronunciation has found a decidedly
generational tone. Those who lived in the era of the audible advertisements
pronounce it "pell mell" while those who have only the visual title to refer
to often use the increasingly more common phonetic "paul mall." Wacky
Packages spoofed the brand as "Paul Maul Peculiar Cigarettes.">>

has to say:
I've been thinking about this. I always try to accurately describe my
experience with language, but the truth is I can't remember if my smoking
uncle corrected me to say Paul Mall or Pell Mell. I may have reversed this
memory (not that it matters much other than to my preoccupation). The
smoking uncle died, so I can't ask him. The culprit wasn't lung cancer.
Incidently, the shopping center mall is pronounced as 'mawl', as is 'maul'.

 Packages spoofed the brand as "Paul Maul Peculiar Cigarettes.">>
Be it Paul Maul, then!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twW_riHWz_4
Sì, Joe Pesci è famoso per il suo accento di NY. Per esempio, dice 'nuttin' 
invece di 'nothing', e 'ovah heeah' invece di 'over here'. Il suo accento è 
più forte degli altri ma tutti parlono con accento di NY. (Si dice accento 
di New York, ma veramente è qualche quartiere della città e il nord del 
stato vicino, New Jersey.) 

 stato vicino, New Jersey.)
"...ma a dire il vero riguarda solo qualche quartiere della città e il nord 
dello stato vicino, il New Jersey." 

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non si dice "New Jersey". Si dice "Joisey".  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts (formerly of Noo Yawk and Joisey)