Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Quanti siete

How many english speaking italians are there out there ???
I mean ,those who speak the lingo !!! - Non quelli che pronunciano IDWARDS
per EDWARDS !!!!
Ciao Zolly

per EDWARDS !!!!
I don't exactly know how many of us there is out here who are able to
speak the lingo; I guess it must depend on which one exactly you're
talking about. 
I am sure, though, that the vast majority know better than to write
_italians_ without a capital I, put a space before punctuation, abuse
question and exclamation marks, and bash their fellow countrymen's
pronunciation.
Yes, that's right: I don't like you one bit.

Listen miss isabella - I suggest you check your your little letter for
'misteaks' too if you want to get touchy.
How many of us there ARE !!! not IS you dopehead !! and which ONES  and not
ONE !!!
I write italians with an 'i' because it is what  I believe they deserve ,
and most of them are presumptious little girlies like you who think they
know it all !!
- Not to worry sweetie, you'll need a few more lessons before you can start
giving out any of your so-called
advice to the not so learned
By the way ,on the contrary to what you may think of me, - I just adore you
!!!!
Ciao MISS IDWARDS
Zolly
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Zolly ha scritto nel messaggio ...
[snip]
Troll detected!
please don't answer to her/him
ciao, Janis

 please don't answer to her/him
Chiedo scusa se la domanda può sembrare sciocca, ma non riesco a
trovare una traduzione che mi faccia capire:
Che cos'è un "troll"?
Grazie e ciao
	Mariuccia

 Che cos'è un "troll"?
Il nostro "collega" californiano diede una spiegazione molto carina
richiamando l'uso del verbo "To troll" quale uso dei pescatori che muovono
la lenza per far sembrare l'esca viva... e piu' appetitosa
In rete chi posta msg provocatori per innescare un guerra dove da entrambe
le parti poi si finisce sul gratuito... ma chi gode e' il troll, quello era
il suo obiettivo!
In senso lato comunque un rompicoglioni.

Che cos'č un "troll"?
<Nei miti scandinavi un essere soprannaturale ,un gigante, e in racconti piů
recenti un nano
  dispettoso ma amichevole.
   Credo che l'origine sia questa.
Un'altra di quelle parole come " Lurker" di cui la rete si č impadronita per
piegarle ai suoi scopi.
Languages are living organisms.
Sal

    Credo che l'origine sia questa.
No, Sal, ha ragione Paolo (anche in senso lato ;-)). L'origine è da
ricercarsi nella pesca, infatti "to troll" vuol dire "pescare a strascico"
 esiste anche la forma "trawl").
La questione era stata dibattuta non più di tre settimane fa su
sci.lang.translation.
Ti consolerà sapere che molti madrelingua avevano seguito la tua
interpretazione.
Posto qui di seguito la definizione del Jargon Dictionary, che in realtà si
tiene in equilibrio fra le due versioni, anche se la spiegazione ittica l'ho
trovata attestata molte volte, mentre quella a base di mitologia scandinava
mi sembra un po' una toppa per sostenere una successiva sostantivazione.
http://www.netmeg.net/jargon/terms/t/troll.html
troll     v.,n.     1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a
posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or,
the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in
turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one
trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed
troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves
look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the
more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you
don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. 2. An individual who
chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or
personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other
purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are
recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about
the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly
creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics,
and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in,
"Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A
popular campus job for CS student. Duties include helping newbies and
ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it
involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.
Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category
than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion
that is wrong but not overtly controversial
Ciao
Giorgio


<<Ciò mi consola !
      Grazie
      Sal