Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Dire a suocera che nuora intenda

Any suggestions from (by?) mother tongue?
Pleeease don't leave me in cotton trousers ;)

 cotton trousers ;)
That a cute saying - but what's it mean?
Loki
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 That a cute saying - but what's it mean?
Which one? ;)
The subject, for which I'd like a London-understandable alternative, means
that a subject speaks with a  person, but with the goal to get a third
person understanding.
In fact the son normally says something (complains ;)) to? his mother
(mother-in-law) because has no enough courage for doing it with his wife
(daughter-in-law)
(btw to leave sb in cotton trousers is a literal translation from Italian
and means w/o means, more or less; think to wear wrongly when cold)

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Ehm, uhm, IMHO to leave somebody in cotton 'pants' means to leave somebody
in a helpless condition.
The image that is recalled is someone that has lost every resource, even his
trousers.
The original Italian expression, 'macheronically' translated (on purpose) by
Paolo goes like this
'Lasciare qualcuno in braghe di tela'
The term 'braghe' in Italian (also 'brache') indicated originally a garment
wider and shorter  than the trousers, more similar to the baggy pants of the
beginning of last century. The shorts for playing football are frequently
indicated as 'braghette' in the prose of many old-fashioned writers.
It come also to mind that the painter Daniele da Volterra, that censored the
Cappella Sistina by adding underpants to all the naked characters, earned
for this work the nickname of 'Braghettone' (the first trademark for the
first underwear designer in history).
Whereas it is true that 'braghe' means also 'trousers', in this case the
'pants' hypothesis seems to be the the more credible.
Ciao
Giorgio

 first underwear designer in history).
[....]
Giorgio
Dear Buongiorgio,
Is there no end to what one can learn here in the Realm?
Are you then also  meaning to dispel my previously help conviction that
Calvin Klein was the world's first underwear designer?
Another myth, shattered. Sigh.
 Thank you nonetheless for the clarification and information.
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I remain, as always,
Bambi
dtb

 'pants' hypothesis seems to be the the more credible.
non ho trovato conferme in rete, ma mi piace piu' della mia ;)
pero' mi "opponi" w/o means/senza mezzi con helpless condition; "help" a me
fa pensare a persone,
ma sara' una mia deviazione
==> ma la nuora non riusciamo comunque a farla intendere??? :(

 No, Paolo, non mi oppongo affatto
un verbo caduto li come spesso nel mio italiano da NG; non pensavo ad una
guerra (e comunque i miei soldattini sono sicuramente messi meglio! ;))
anzi, ho aprezzato moltissimo

 non ho trovato conferme in rete, ma mi piace piu' della mia ;)
As someone who has frozen wearing jeans in cold weather, for which they
are not at all suited, I like your definition too. :-)
cheers,
Loki
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 the 'pants' hypothesis seems to be the the more credible.
mmm.... Although 'pants' in itself doesn't mean 'undies' either. :-) In
fact pants can mean trousers or shorts in English.
Cheers,
Loki
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 are not at all suited, I like your definition too. :-)
naaaa, jeans are for everything; I use them for skiing too...

 naaaa, jeans are for everything; I use them for skiing too...
brrrr!
I have seen someone ski in a wetsuit. It looked cold but I think he was
warm. :-) 
Cheers,
Loki
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 warm. :-)
A young lady working at the cafeteria in my building sometimes wears a t-shirt
that says "ski naked", and she only smiles when I ask if she does.  The sun is
so bright here in Colorado that many people snow ski in shorts and t-shirts
(in late spring), even bikinis.  I'm not sure which slopes allow you to ski
naked, maybe that's a California thing.
Rick

 warm. :-)
And this means that the heat was generated by breaking the chemical bonds
of...?
Carbohydrates?
Hydroxyl groups?
cheers,
Peltio

 California thing.
IMHO The less clothes you wear, the more skin area liable to get painful
grazes when you fall over on the icy bits or by rocks. Or do you never
fall over? ;-) 
-We don't have trees on the mountains, just sharp lava rocks and snow.
Cheers,
Loki
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I haven't the faintest clue. Reducing the wind chill factor maybe.
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Loki <lo...@asgard.nz.invalido> wrote in message
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This is Peltio in his 'Tech Lone Ranger' version. I think he was referring
to the fact that the only way to get heat with a wet...suit is to cover the
body with a chemical compound like calcium chloride used in hot packs, that
produces an exothermic reaction when in contact with water.
Personally, I think that it is possible to ski with a wetsuit, that is not
permeable to air and reduces the wind chill factor. The suits used in
downhill and giant slalom competition are a lot thinner and more permeable
to air, I can assure you.
Ciao
Giorgio

 grazes when you fall over
Absolutely
My knuckles still remember and show once I took away my glove

 can assure you.
brrr again! And don't leave much to the imagination either.
Cheers,
loki
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 permeable to air and reduces the wind chill factor.
I don't even dare to contradict you on anything related to physics, but...
how do you account for the different thermal conductivity of air and water?
Is it necessary to wait until the water is totally frozen ?
An ice suit makes more sense to me, but I guess it won't take long before a
wet suit changes its state...

 wet suit changes its state...
C'è un momento in cui uno dei due deve cedere. Cedo io. Un wetsuit in my
understanding è una tuta di neoprene per 'subbaccqui', non un tight
preventivamente buttato a mollo.
Un vestitino di ghiaccio, in effetti, potrebbe essere funzionale almeno
quanto lo è un igloo. L'importante (e il difficile) è entrarci dentro dopo
che si è ghiacciato. E non stare a sentire il maestro che ti urla 'Sei
rigido come uno stoccafisso, vedi di scioglierti'.
Contraddicimi quando vuoi
Ciao
Buontonto

 Forget it.
Forget what?
Cheers,
Loki
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 preventivamente buttato a mollo.
oops...
; (
^ lacrima di vergogna
non ci avevo nemmeno pensato lontanamente.
Beh, se non altro avevo ragione sull'equilibrio termico...
Non mi firmo nemmeno.
Vado a bere un bel bicchiere di cloruro di calcio.

 drunk enough.
In this context of making an educated guess that being drunk enough would help,
inferring could be the correct word.  However, since implying and inferring are
often
interchanged (wrongly), I ask if you meant to say "I was implying"?
Rick