Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: BBQ

We will be trying to keep cool, and will probably BBQ...that is an
experience in itself.
Che significa BBQ?
Se può aiutare posso dire che si tratta di una conversazione con dei parenti
australiani.
grazie
Claudio

 Che significa BBQ?
Barbecue.
Una festa all'aperto dove si arroste di solito la carne o la pesche sopra il
fuoco o le brace calde.
Ciao
Ron
USA
Sempre grato per le correzione

 Sempre grato per le correzione
Mannaggia! Lo so, "correzioni."

 Che significa BBQ?
E' quando vai in giardino e ti scotti le dita e fai un sacco di fumo per
innalzare in maniera spaventosa il tuo livello di colesterolo.
Prova a pronunciarlo...
: )
saluti,
Peltio

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BBQ is barbecue / barbeque.
As a noun, it means (at least in Australia) -
An informal party in which food is cooked outside on a portable stove;
The stove itself is called a barbecue.
eg. We're having a BBQ on Saturday. Wanna come?
As a verb - "I'm barbecuing this meat" = cooking, in barbecue style.
(I haven't heard the form "we will probably barbecue." They've obviously
picked it up from some American, in the tradition of verbing any noun that
can be verbed and most that can't be)
BBQ is important to know because most fastfood shops have BBQ chicken etc.
Raymot,
who will be having a barbecue on Xmas day.
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Brisbane, Oz
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Dear Raymot,
Are we invited?
When living in Australia, I learnt of the practice of cooking food on a
barbecue- meat in particular - using beer (the Aussie liquid staple of
course). Would you know if it is it in fact an Australian custom, or was it
merely a particular quirk of the people with whom we were dining?
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I remain, as always,
Bambi
dtb

 we were dining?
Dear Bambi,
I haven't been to  a BBQ with beer used but that's not to say it's not
used by others. 
Just yesterday I attended one and scoffed lots of wild venison.
Delicious.;-)
A popular fund raiser is for teams and groups to have a BBQ going as a
street stall and sell sausies in a slice of bread for $1 (NZ - that is -
 a rather pathetic value and no relation to the US $ and even less to a
£ sterlina. ) 
cheers,
Loki
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lo...@REMOVE-ASGARDclear.net.nz

Ma che idiota che sono!!  :)))
Grazie a tutti!
by the way, my parents too, live in Brisbane!
Say hi to everybody!  :))
Ciao
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forse c'č una parola del owest e cowboys, un marchio di ferro di una
sbarra e due gran lettere di ferro B Q.  Si puň usare il marchio come un
padella senza fondo.
Forse,
Martino

 who will be having a barbecue on Xmas day.
May your rogue be tasty,
Ron
USA
PS: I have not been able to find any reference in the OED or in Webster's to the
use of the noun "verb" as a verb. Might this be a creative addition to the
English language contributed by yours truly? If so, complimenti!

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Try barbeque often attributed to Spanish American "barbacoa" likely from
Taino (an extinct race ). I'd say Barbeque came before BBQ.
cheers,
Loki
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lo...@REMOVE-ASGARDclear.net.nz

dtb
It's pretty common - not sure if it's specifically Australian though. The use 
of beer as a marinade at a barbecue is no doubt due to its ubiquity.
Raymot
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English language contributed by yours truly? If so, complimenti!
There is always a certain lag time between a certain usage and its appearance in
the dictionaries, but I can't claim credit for "verbing nouns". 
Raymot
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Calvin: "I like to verb words." 
Hobbes: "What?" 
Calvin: "I take nouns and adjectives and use them as verbs. Remember when `access' was a thing? 
Now it's something you do . It got verbed." 
Calvin: "Verbing weirds language." 
Hobbes: "Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding." 
- Calvin & Hobbes, by Bill Watterson 
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 of beer as a marinade at a barbecue is no doubt due to its ubiquity.
Dear Raymot.
Assuming Bolly will meet everyone's needs, consider it brought and standing
at the ready.
I don't suppose it acts as a particularly satisfactory substitute for beer
as a marinade however.
Oh well, the more for us to imbibe.
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 - Calvin & Hobbes, by Bill Watterson
"To Access". . . from the Italian or French "accedere" would you say? Maybe now
the "thing" is just looking for its roots.
Ciao,
Ron
USA
PS: Please excuse the verbosity of this post. (Uhh ohh, I didn't just make up a
new word, did I?)

new word, did I?)
No, "post" as a noun has ancient roots, though its use in this context is
more recent.
Ciao,
Raymot
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Oz
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 widespread dispersion of cultural insanity from Southern California.
As a social phenomenon in its present form, it may be that "barbecuing" is a
unique US invention. Thus, it seems appropriate that the verb "to barbecue"
might evolve to identify this familiar social event. It's so familiar in the US
that television watchers were bombarded with commercials from that Australian
guy with the big knife, suggesting that he'd "put another shrimp on the barbie"
for us, if we'd only visit "down under." What's your opinion? Was barbecuing
exported to Australia from the US? Let's hope we don't export our cultural
imperialism too . . . oh wait, it may be too late.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

catch it. 
We always do, we just don't make a fuss anymore. :-)
Seriously now, I still have no idea why, but 90% of you (and here I
mean: the native English speakers, be they from the UK, US or anywhere
else) get it wrong. In the beginning of the FAQ's, based on this and a
few other examples (i.e. your vs. you're, their vs. they're), we
thought we would include a "typical native speakers' mistakes"
section.
Anybody willing to offer an explanation?
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Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching
http://web.tiscalinet.it/alfabeto_auschwitz/

 Anybody willing to offer an explanation?
Well, if I examine my own carelessness, it's because I
learned English aurally. The sounds of the two words are the
same; it's the context which identifies the meaning.
Therefore, it's really a spelling error; a type of error
which I believe I'm genetically prone to repeat ad
infinitum. It's only through incessant reading, a practice I
started years after I learned to speak English, that I can
spell at all. Fortunately, I'm able to rationalize this
mental flaw by attributing the entire skill to a lower order
thinking process.
Italian, I've learned in a very different way: almost
entirely from books and print. So, there's an even richer
treasury of false steps and improbable constructions at my
disposal. In your language, mispronunications and falsely
stressed syllables stumble from my lips only as fast as I
can construct fuzzy images of each word in my mind. In this
case, I rely on the fortunate regularity of Italian spelling
and pronunciation to limp through a conversation. I have
noticed, however, among US friends who learned some Italian
aurally but learned to write only in English, that when they
learn to write in Italian their spelling is worse than mine.
Does that answer your question?
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Anybody willing to offer an explanation?
I'm afraid the most likely explanation is that very little grammar is
taught in English schools nowdays (don't know about American ones).
Even in my day (I went to primary school in the Fifties) they didn't
teach very much grammar, but at least we learned to spel propally.
(By the way, seeing as you're picking on Ron, I think you meant e.g.,
not i.e.)
On the subject of schools, I was appalled to find that since my son
started the prima media this year, his homework is *never* checked by
the teachers - they go through it collectively in class, but the
teachers never actually look at it, so lots of mistakes, especially
spelling mistakes, go unnoticed. Is this normal in Italy?
Mary

Isa
Do you mean an explanation for:
- why we always notice a mistake as soon as we post a letter?
- why Italians notice the error?
- why we don't make a fuss anymore?
- why 90% of native speakers get it wrong? (which I would dispute - I'd
suggest ~ 30%)
I'll attempt to tackle the last.
I think it's because it's just not that important in the context of a post
to Usenet. If it were a letter of application for a job, I'm sure Ron would
not have made the mistake. Why, even I have been known to misplace their/there
while dashing off a response to a newsgroup.
In any case, I would say the reasons are various, and the statistics would 
divide roughly as following:
Ignorance of the correct form - 30%
Not giving a damn - 50%
Carelessness - 70%
Their is, of course, some overlap.
Ciao, 
Raymot
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 Anybody willing to offer an explanation? -- 
Let's see.... ummm... It's a tough language that believes in defying the
rules of logic and requires artistry in its use... will that do? And
sometimes the old brain takes a vacation at the wrong time. ;-))
I have a 16 page chapter in my book _Mastering English Grammar_ entitled
"common errors and debatable points." And that is only one book! Another
 has 14 pages on misused words. 
This could get to be a very loooong list. ;-))  The Internet is full of
such errors.
It gets even worse trying to keep two languages separate. I often find
myself spelling italian by English 'fonetics' and vice-a -versa. 
How do people who speak a local dialect and italian keep them separate?
curious,
Loki
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lo...@REMOVE-ASGARDclear.net.nz

 not i.e.)
Quando usi "cioe'"? Solo per una spiegazione... uhmm... conclusiva?

Does that answer your question?
Exhaustively. Thanks ever so.
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Their is, of course, some overlap.
:-))) Always a pleasure. Thanks.
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Is this normal in Italy?
Mary-- don't get me started on the state of the Italian school system,
especially afa the primary and secondary classes are concerned. You
don't want to know, believe me :-) (Sal...?)
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How do people who speak a local dialect and italian keep them separate?
I can only answer this based on my personal experience: I speak my
parents' native dialect (bresciano, from the province of Brescia in
Lombardy) fluently, and learned it on an aural basis only, but I never
had to write (in?) it so therefore there were never grounds for
confusion. 
Cheers,
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 for confusion. 
Maybe it is a thing to do with writing rather rthan speaking. But do you
ever use a dialect word when you need to be using italian?
cheers,
Loki
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lo...@REMOVE-ASGARDclear.net.nz

 is pronounced like that as far as I can see.
In fact, "vice" in "vice-versa" is not pronounced like "vice" in, for
example, "Miami vice". Tipically, the final 'e' is not mute [is this the
right term?] when the word is part of a Latin phrase, such as, for
example: "sine qua non" or "bona fide".
Max

 Max
That's soooo typical of English... you mean I should be saying "bona
fiday". :-(  And there I was thinking it was "bona fyde". 
<hurried search of dictionary...>
Thank goodness for my self esteem - my erstwhile American dictionary
lists "bona fyde" as the first pronunciation, possibly because it's now
English and not Latin. ;-)))
cheers,
Loki
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lo...@REMOVE-ASGARDclear.net.nz

ever use a dialect word when you need to be using italian?
No, not really, unless in jest. But frankly, I don't know "how" I keep
them separate, I just do.
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