Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Harry Potter Sorcer o Philosopher?

 
Ciao a Tutti!
Ho notato che la versione americana di Harry Potter and the philosopher's
stone è titolata Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's stone.
Ora avrei due quesiti:
1)Perchè secondo voi da pietra filosofale si è passati alla pietra dello
stregone?
2)E' possibile che in am/eng venga utilizzato sorcer's stone per intendere
proprio la pietra filosofale?
Attendo il vostro autorevole parere per convincere una persona scettica.
Grazie
Raudo & Pietre
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Perché la casa editrice americana pensava che il pubblico era troppo
ignorante per sapere cos'è la pietra filosofale, e rischiava di
scambiare il libro per un opera di filosofia.
Effettivamente anche la maggior parte degli inglese sicuramente non ne
aveva mai sentito parlare, ma hanno comprato il libro lo stesso...
-- 
Mary

 stone č titolata Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's stone.
Vedi anche 
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/cookarama/britwords.html
-- 
Xakero

aveva mai sentito parlare, ma hanno comprato il libro lo stesso...
Yep. And so did the Canadians. I can understand some of the changes
they made, but this one baffles me, that's for sure.
Sebastiano

Attendo il vostro autorevole parere per convincere una persona scettica.
Not only the title has been changed.
Take a look a these:
www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences-ss.html
www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences-cs.html
www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences-pa.html
www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences-gf.html
www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences-op.html
Sebastiano

 proprio la pietra filosofale?
Thanks a lot everybody!
Now I can demostrate my supposition.
By the way Seba,I've found some of your posts in it.fan.scrittori.tolkien I
earn you a 10.000 points bonus :-D
Raudo
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earn you a 10.000 points bonus :-D
You know, I'm like Bermuda grass*. I'm everywhere. :)
Sebastiano
* some might call it couch grass, or devil's grass or dog's tooth
grass or wire grass or scutch grass or even common quickgrass. Its
scientific name is Cynodon dactylon. In Italian it's called
"gramigna". :)

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So now I need to star a new thread in order to know which is used in the Uk
and which in the States. :-D
Woa I've learned more than I thing with one post...by the way how do you say
:"two piccioni con una fava?"
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 :"two piccioni con una fava?"
To kill two birds with one stone.
-- 
Mary

To kill two birds with one stone.
You cruel, bloodthirsty native English speakers! Throwing rocks at
birds! At least we catch 'em using some sort of bean. And we define
the fowl species. A pigeon, you know, is not an ordinary bird. City
pigeons are guano bombs. We have the right to catch them. ;)
Sebastiano

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you say it!In Rome,in front of the Termini station,we have loudspeakers
playing bird of prey screams to scary those funny birds :-D.Sometimes you
need an unmbrella to walk that street!
Raudo & Dastardly
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 need an unmbrella to walk that street!
("You said it!")  In Bryant Park, near where I live, there is a trained
falcon who is brought by his trainer a few times a week. The falcon flies
around the park for a few hours, and the pigeons go bye-bye. The idea is
after enough visits from the falcon, the pigeons will give up the park.
Once, however, there was a (humorous; to me, anyway. And I do love dogs)
article about the falcon "mistaking" a pekinese (small, yappy dog) for some
sort of prey, and it swooped down, picked the pooch up and tried flying
away with it. The owner held fast to the leash, and soon the falcon trainer
interceded and made the falcon let go.
The dog wasn't harmed, just a little.... "confused." (City dogs, you know.)
  :)
-- 
The foregoing is my opinion, and my opinion alone. It is intended to
demonstrate modern American English -- colloquial and spoken, (but well
spoken) for the most part; not literary American English. Ergo, caveat
lector. (No, not you, Hannibal)
Oh, if you feel the need to e-mail me, un-not my address first.

 Take a look a these:
I only looked at the first once, and was especially impressed by the
change from "Hundred" to "Thousand".
You have to work with American editors (redattori) to believe the anal
nonsense they get up to.
They usually have very rigid style guides, these days all poisoned by
political correctness, and in any case applied without imagination or
intelligence. They are desperately afraid of confronting their readers
with anything other than Americanized pabulum. Aaaargh. [1]
Oh, and they are *very* hard-working.
[1] But put yourself in the place of Poor British Author. "The
Americans will only give you X million dollars if you agree to let them
change "Mum" into "Mom"."  "What the hell, do it."
-- 
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My .
mac.com
 address is a spam sink.
If you wish to email me, try atlothian at blueyonder dot co dot uk

 change "Mum" into "Mom"."  "What the hell, do it."
Political correctness? Have a look at this: 
http://snipurl.com/7kbj
.
Ciao, FB
-- 
"Gli americani sono ignoranti per loro stessa natura"
that is "The Americans are naturally ignorant"
(Paolo Bonardi on it.cultura.linguistica)

"Mary Cassidy" <ma...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Once I  borrowed a book by Hemingway called "Fiesta" from a library in
Naples maintained by the British Army.
When I got back to the US and mentioned the book in a college English
class, I learned that the title of the book had been changed to "The
Sun Also Rises", and that I must have stumbled upon a very old edition
of the book.
I wonder why they changed the title?
Publishers do funny things.
Joe from Massachusetts

change "Mum" into "Mom"."  "What the hell, do it."
Yeah, even though a "poor" British Author is not that poor if we're
talking about *millions* of dollars. ;)
I believe that some changes were important, though. *Some.*
Words like "loo". Or the word "berk". Would American kids have
understood "berk"? I don't think so.
And what about "conk?" It means "head", but in UK it means "nose".
So, I think that some of the changes were important in order to allow
American kids to enjoy the book thoroughly. Yes, you lose some
"Britishness", but you get to be more understandable.
Many variations, though, are inexplicable.
I would have added a flyer in every book with a sort of mini-glossary
of the strange British words in order of keeping them in the text. Not
all of them, though.
Sebastiano

 interceded and made the falcon let go.
R-O-T-F-L!!
I'm drowning in my tears while i laugh!
Where do you live ,joey?
Raudo
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Where do you live ,joey?
The city that never sleeps, my friend.
The Big Apple, The Capital of the World.
Where the lights are bright and the sky is closer.
Where jaywalking is prohibited and IIRC you can't turn right on a red
light. :)
Anyway, LIVE FROM NEW YORK! IT'S SATURDANY NIGHT LIVE!
Sebastiano

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LOL. One might infer that you like New York City, Seba.
I live in a part of midtown-south called Murray Hill. It's a really nice
neighborhood of old (to us, anyway; some of them are almost *300 years
old!* :) structures. The housing is largely five-to six story brownstones
or brick townhouses, many of which are in the Historic Register.
The location is ideal: far enough away from the throng of tourists on Fifth
Avenue who are streaming up- and down-town to and from the Empire State
Building (four blocks away) and the upscale shopping district of Fifth
Avenue; and yet close enough to "enjoy it" when visitors come.
(Are you sure, Seba, that jaywalking is prohibited? Why, just last night I
taught a group of out-of-town friends how to do it in Times Square after a
show.)
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 Publishers do funny things.
Sometimes it's necessary, and it's not just publishers.
Several years ago there was mention somewhere of the General Motors car
company wanting to figure out why a popular car in the US was selling so
badly in South America. The car was a Chevrolet Nova. Finally someone
suggested it might be the name (they were right): Nova in Spanish is very
close to No va, i.e., "it doesn't run".
There was also the airline (I don't remember which) that translated an ad
from English to Spanish a little too literally. They were trying to point
out the "luxurious accommodations" they offered so they spoke of "the
comfort of flying while seated in leather". The problem is that in their
literal translation (sentado en cuero), "en cuero" is slang in most of S.A.
for what we call "in your birthday suit" i.e., naked.
Ya gotta laugh.
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show.)
Yes, it is. Prohibited, you could get a ticket for that. That doesn't
mean that nobody jaywalks. I was a master jaywalker. :D
Sebastiano

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It used to be forbidden to turn right on a red light in Texas, too.
But I heard that the laws have been changed in many states to make
them a little more uniform all over the country for the convenience
of travelers... but there are still many differences.  I wouldn't be
surprised if, even if it were once illegal to turn right on red, that
you can do it now.  I know you can in Texas now.
-- 
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 you can do it now.  I know you can in Texas now.
It's definitely illegal in New York City, but I'm not sure about the rest
of the state.
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you can do it now.  I know you can in Texas now.
I don't know, it could be. My news is two years old, I didn't bother
to check if it was still correct. ;)
Sebastiano

 of the state.
What do you mean, you cannot turn right on red?
Bye, FB
-- 
Io ho deciso di rifiutarmi di vederlo: Ettore con la faccia di Eric Banana
mi fa venire i conati.
(commento sul film "Troy" su it.fan.scrittori.tolkien)

What do you mean, you cannot turn right on red?
In alcuni Stati americani è permesso girare a destra anche a semaforo
rosso, vedi il New Jersey. In altri è vietato. A Manhattan, ad
esempio, è vietato.
In Italia è vietato.
Sebastiano

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Ah, ecco. In quegli stati in cui è permesso uno va avanti, controlla se ci
siano automobili che non gli stanno entrando nella portiera, e poi gira?
Ciao, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

 esempio, è vietato.
In California, Arizona, Nevada e' permesso.
Ciao
Fabio

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You should point out that the "right-on-red" law is actually a
"right-on-red-after-stopping-to-make-sure-it's-safe" law. I think you
may have given some people the impression that a speeding car is
allowed to turn right at a red light as if it were green. The
right-on-red law wouldn't work in New York City, because of the large
number of pedestrians (and jaywalkers like yourself :>) ).
I think that the right-on-red law applies in all states. Connecticut,
where I drive quite a bit,  was one of the last to comply.
There once was a law in Massachusetts which stated that the second car
in a line of cars stopped at a stop sign did not have to stop at the
stop sign when the car in front of it proceeded through the stop sign,
if conditions were safe. Every car in a line of cars is eventually the
second car in line, so this law resulted in streams of cars driving
through stop signs as if they weren't there.
Joe from Massachusetts

siano automobili che non gli stanno entrando nella portiera, e poi gira?
Certo. Funziona come un normalisismo "dare la precedenza". Uno guarda
a sinistra, che non arrivi nessuno, a destra, che non ci siano pedoni,
e svolta.
Sebastiano

through stop signs as if they weren't there.
LOL!
Sebastiano

 Certo. Funziona come un normalisismo "dare la precedenza".
No, e' uno stop a cui ti devi fermare per poi eventualmente girare.
Mentre la precedenza (Yield)  non implica il fatto che tu ti debba fermare.
Ciao
Fabio

 ^_^
Scusate l'ignoranza, ma che cosa significa questo simobol?
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Scusate l'ignoranza, ma che cosa significa questo simobol?
This: ^_^ ?
It's a smiley.
^ = right eye
_ = mouth
^ = left eye
^_ = right side of the face
_^ = left side of the face
_ = eyeless monster
Sebastiano\ ^__^

 ^ = left eye
Really? I've always thought they were ears! No, wait, I despise emoticons!
Bye, FB
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