Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Some sons love other colours and  goverment

Ci sono parole come quelle nel Subject dove la "o" si pronuncia come la
"o" di love, quel suono inglese che dalla o tende alla a (e nel Nord
dell'Inghilterra e' tutto diverso!).
Oltre che imparare a memoria tali termini, c'e' qualche regoletta per
individuarli? Ho letto che in genere succede quando la "o" segue m, n, v,
l o  th (di other), anche non sempre e' cosi'. In certi casi dipenderebbe
dalla calligrafia medievale, quando le u venivano scritte come o per non
confonderle con una lettera simile nella stessa parola.
Ho anche notato che se la sillaba non e' accentata la pronuncia e' invece
schwa.
Altre dritte?
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 Ci sono parole come quelle nel Subject 
government!
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 individuarli? Ho letto che in genere succede quando la "o" segue m, n, v,
"Hover" entra nella regoletta, no? 
Ciao, FB
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 "Hover" entra nella regoletta, no?
 
Non mi sembra. 'Hover' si pronuncia come 'hot', o no?
Max

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Sì, ci hai ragione.
Ciao, FB
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 Ciao, FB
In AmEng "hover" is pronounced with the U sound, not like "hot". Note that
"over" is pronounced with a long-O. I know you all know that, but it's an
interesting comparison.
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> In AmEng "hover" is pronounced with the U sound, not like "hot".
I can't agree with that. An American would say 'hover' (with the 'o'
pronounced as in 'hot') when talking about a helicopter, and hoover (with
the 'o' pronounced as 'u') when talking about either a vacuum cleaner or one 
or more disastrous personalities in American history.

Tony the ice man ha scritto:
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> In AmEng "hover" is pronounced with the U sound, not like "hot".
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(Sorry about that premature emission... :)
I don't understand why you don't agree... I've never heard the word "hover"
pronounced "hoover". The word "hover" has nothing to do with vacuum
cleaners.
As for the O sound of "hot", it is only an acceptable pronunciation, and
far from common.
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I guess you mean that most Americans say [ha:v@r] (@ ==> schwa).
Bye, FB
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 I guess you mean that most Americans say [ha:v@r] (@ ==> schwa).
By the way, I think some Americans say [haaaat] for "hot", so it may still
be true that "hover" is pronounced with the "o" of "hot".
Bye, FB
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FB ha scritto:
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Yeah, but I never hoid it. (And I been around, believe me. :)
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 pronounced as in 'hot')
According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary, both pronunciations (with the 
first vowel pronunced as in 'but' or as in 'hot') are acceptable.
Max

 Altre dritte?
C'e' anche il caso del gruppo "wo" in parole come "worry"

 
Si':)
Il problema di questa regoletta, pero', e' che ci sono molte eccezioni!

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Hai ragione, non rientra, perche' si pronuncia o aperta (BTW, si puo'
definire cosi' quel suono inglese, della o di hover?)!

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So, FB, you asked quite a tricky question! :-)

Max M. ha scritto:
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So says the dictionary, but I am an American, have been one all my life,
and I guarantee that the O-sound of "hover" is seldom pronounced with the O
of "hot" in the US. GB might be another story, as we all know.
Enrico, to answer your question, in AmEng the O-sound we're talking about
is a slightly prolonged schwa.
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Frankly, I can't understand the transcription used by the Merriam-Webster.
Anyway, I think it says both ['hOv@r] and [ha:v@r] are used in AmEng. In
British English, the latter is not used, of course (and "r" is not
pronounced, unless there follows a vowel sound, as you know).
Bye, FB
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more might expose us to comment on the platform."
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 O of "hot" in the US. GB might be another story, as we all know.
Actually, I read this thread quickly and took your 'u' to be the 'oo' sound
because it is a common mispronunciation of 'hover'. Now, understanding the
sound that you intended, I would agree that the pronunciation symbol 'u'
(which you meant to represent a schwa as spoken for the 'o' in 'love' or
'government') represents the more common pronunciation of the two. I say
this having heard both the schwa 'love' and the short o 'hot' pronunciations
of 'hover' in the US as well as the 'oo' mispronunciation.
I'd like to add, only as a friendly aside, that you might consider laying
off the ol' "I'm an American" line. GWB and many others can also make that
claim, so it's fairly meaningless. You're better off just establishing a
history of accuracy and integrity in your posts and letting the chips fall
where they may.

 keep matters straight.
If you keep on writing like that, after the matter of the ADSL, the Bush
family will kidnap you and force you to write George's speeches!
Bye, FB
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 family will kidnap you and force you to write George's speeches!
If you wrote Kerry's, you would have to write "Ameroco", instead. Why does
he says it that way?
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 he says it that way?
Well gol-LEE, I wadn't (to quote W) aware that he does. I'll have to listen
now to Kerry's diction too, rather than his content. :)
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