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Titolo: Hard translation from Italian to English

I'm still translating Verdi's Rigoletto.  In this scene, Rigoletto is
talking to his daughter about the wicked Duke after the Duke seduced poor
Gilda.
Taci, e mia sarà la cura
la vendetta d'affrettar.
Pronta fia sarà fatale,
io saprollo fulminar.
I have translated the first 2 lines as:
"Be quiet and mine will be the means
Of hastening vengeance."
But I don't understand
"Pronta fia sara fatale"
Do the last two lines mean:
His fate will be death,
I know how to strike.
Evi

"Pronta fia sarà fatale"
Fia should be an ancient form of "sarà", the 3rd person singular
future form of the verb "to be".
So the two last lines should mean something like:
It (i.e., the vengeance) will be fast, it will be fatal
I'll know how to strike him dead
Hope it's right,
Fabio

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can't think of any word that could be the right one......
Well, actually mine is just an interpretation, of course... but it
seems to be the right one. The comma sometimes gets written, sometimes
not: Look here:
http://www.markus-hillenbrand.de/klassika/Komponisten/Verdi/Oper/16_Rigoletto/libretto.pdf
(no comma) or here:
http://www.terra.es/personal/ealmagro/rigoletto/acto4.htm
http://www.aria-database.com/libretti/rig12_bella.txt
http://home.online.no/~a-aamodt/naxos_1.htm
http://www.teatrolafenice.it/Libcont/rigoletto/lib/libretto.htm
(all with comma)
I also found a Spanish translation:
"Pronta fia, sarà fatale;
Io saprollo fulminar."
"Sí, será muy pronto; será mortal;
yo sabré acabar con él."
where both fia and sarà are translated using "serà", which is the
Spanish future verb form.
Furthermore, fia and sarà do make sense, even together. Rigoletto is
sung, isn't it ? so writing two synonims is useful if you want to
avoid repetitions in the song, which would result in producing a
cacophony.
Just my 2€,
Fabio :)

Of hastening vengeance."
I'm not sure I like that "means".
Cura is translated by Hazon as "care, trouble, worry".
Rigoletto is saying something like "I'll make sure that..." or "I'll
take care that..."
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Good point, Frank.  Yes, I like "I'll take care that.."
Evi

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Lovely, Fabio.  Just what I needed.
Evi


Thanks for the comment, Cinzia. I think Fabio is correct however.
There are occasional misspellings in online (and even in libretti) texts.
I've found one or two in German libretti, although I wouldn't recognise them
in Italian texts. My Italian isn't good enough.
Evi

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Some cool links here, Fabio.  I'll have some fun looking at them. Yes,
Rigoletto is sung and thus the strange use of words
 It is one of my favourite operas. But the CD which I bought (it's a cheap
one) doesn't have a libretto so your help is invaluable.
Evi

 Evi
bye
Gennaro
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ps. In a few days I'm going to enjoy Puccini's Turandot at Teatro San
Carlo here in Naples; should you ever decide to translate that,
I will have plenty of informations.. :-))
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Gennaro <MC7...@MCLINK.IT.HELL> wrote in message
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It is Rigoletto who will be pursuing vengeance but he is emphasising this
with what, in English, would probably be expressed as 'Vengeance will be
mine'.
Turandot..You lucky thing! Let me know what it was like.  I want a detailed
description! Yes, I think I'd like to have a go at translating Turandot, if
I ever get Rigoletto finished :)
Evi

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You're very welcome. And I think your Italian is very good if you can manage
to understand what's written in libretti, at least the most of it.
Cinzia

 Evi
bye
Gennaro
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 Gennaro
Now that sounds like a slur on my reputation - I've never been fast with any
man!  :))
I'll be looking forward to that description.
Evi

 Evi
Well, Evi, I'm all but an opera expert but I hope I've been able to
give you a touch of Puccinian's atmoshperes... :-)
you might like to take a look at the full list of performers (I don't know
any of them...)
http://www.teatrosancarlo.it/uk_opera2002.html
and, more in general, to the site of our nice (and full of history!)
theatre:
http://www.teatrosancarlo.it/uk_index.html
byebye
Gennaro
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Stay! Is the spike so low a thing as the rusty spike on the top of a post of
an old bedstead that has tumbled all awry?
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 and discreet music of Puccini.
<lots of really good stuff snipped>
Thank you so much, Gennaro, you made me feel as if I was there.
Evi