Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: American Diabolik

Hello everybody!
I was reading an issue of the American edition of Diabolik (did you know
that DK is being published in the States? ^_^), when a sentence made me
stop:
"Diabolik and Eva must be working on a HIT in which I may be implicated
in.".
I do not own the Italian edition of this story ("Fight against time", DK1 -
n.2, Scorpion Productions, 1999, $5.95; the sentence I quoted was on page
76), but I think that the word "hit" here stands for "robbery" (i.e. it
translates the Italian "colpo"), so the original Italian might say more or
less: "Diabolik ed Eva devono star lavorando a un COLPO in cui potrei essere
implicata io".
I checked into the Sansoni dictionary, and I found:
Colpo (impresa) coup, move, attempt, enterprise; (rapina) robbery, raid.
(no "hit", then). I found nothing in the De Agostini dictionary, too, and
the Cassell dictionary lists "a successful effort" under "hit", but of
course this definition does not match perfectly... so I am beginning to
think that "hit" for "colpo" is merely a bad translation, and this feeling
is supported by the fact that there are some bad grammar mistakes throughout
the book.  :-(
Can someone help me? Does anyone know of the word "hit" employed as
"robbery"?
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Cià
Valerio
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I LIKE COMICS!

"robbery"?
<<<Nel gergo della malavita un Hit Man  è un killer e per estensione la sua
vittima viene chiamata
Hit.
Yours
Sal

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Thank you for your reply, but I do not think this is the right answer. In
fact, in the comic DK and Eva are planning a robbery in a house where Altea
(inspector Ginko's lover) lived as a young girl. They are not planning a
murder. I still believe it's a bad translation of "colpo"...
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murder. I still believe it's a bad translation of "colpo"...
Per *hit* il mio dizionario di slang "L'inglese in America"
(Ferrero-Anglesio, Mursia ed.) dà anche "scassinare a scopo di furto,
rapinare"; come sostantivo invece - ovviamente - "furto con scasso, rapina".
Does this help?
Ciao
Anna

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rapina".
Anche a me sembrava di ricordare che hit fosse il "colpo " ed aveve cercato
conferma sui miei useless
slang dictionaries.
Siccome nessuno di loro me lo confermava assalito da atroce dubbio, mi sono
limitato al significato del killer.
Avrei dovuto osare di più e comunque dovrei rinnovare il parco dizionari.
Coward
Sal


I think you're right, Valerio; the correct American (slang) translation would
have been "heist".
I'm not American, but I don't think "hit" is used in the sense of robbery.
There's another mistake in the sentence, but perhaps you just copied it wrong:
you can't say "in which I may be implicated in". It has to be "which I may be
implicated in" (more colloquial) or "in which I may be implicated" (very formal
and unsuitable for a comic strip).
Mary
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"The Diamond Robbery" - by Jules Argon


Mary, non è "jargoon" il termine corretto  ?
(Mi sembra di averlo letto così in un romanzo di Wodehouse, pensa un po')
Giorgio

in.".
Dictionary of American Slang and colloquial expressions
Richard Spears
HIT:
[5] tr. to kill someone, to assassinate someone
[6] tr. to attack or rob someone or something
[7] n. a robbery
non trovo assasinio come nome perň, nonostante Hit man sia indicato come
"a hired killer" e "a man hired by a helpless addict to inject drugs"
(Hit č anche [3] . a drink of liquor, a dose of drug.
credo che 'colpo' vada piů che bene.
HTH,
Peltio
I hit a hot hat in the hut.

Avrei dovuto osare di più e comunque dovrei rinnovare il parco dizionari.
Dear Sal, il dizionario da me citato è sicuramente divertente, pieno zeppo
di espressioni non ortodosse e "proibite" con tanto di citazioni letterarie
(soprattutto da Playboy :-))) ma ha un "piccolo" difetto: non dà mai il
corrispettivo italiano di quelle espressioni, bensì una definizione
"pulita". Per esempio, "get off one's ass": muoversi, scuotersi; scare the
shit out of: spaventare a morte, terrorizzare; egg-sucker: chi cerca
promozioni adulando... Comunque lo consiglio, è molto istruttivo :-)
Anna

 vittima viene chiamata Hit.
Diabolik e' da molto che e' diventato politically correct. Non uccide piu'
se non per assoluta necessita' e solo i cattivi! :(

se non per assoluta necessita' e solo i cattivi! :(
Aspetta di vedere il cartone animato, nel quale, a quanto ho sentito dire,
combatte i criminali!!!!!
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and unsuitable for a comic strip).
I have not copied it wrong, unfortunately! I noticed the double "in", but I
was hoping it was not a mistake...
As I have already said, there are several other mistakes throughout the
book:
page 2: "I wouldn't want to miss this party, since YOUR the guest of honor"
page 6: "Thanks to you my town will have a library worthy of IT'S name"
page 78: "Impossible! THE AIR IN THE TANKS ARE EMPTY. We would never make
it" (however, on page 80 it says correctly: "Our air tanks are empty")
page 117: "Now ITS all over"
And, on the last page, it says "Soon to CAME in Spanish language & in
Spanish territories"
Aside from the "hit" question, it seems that Diabolik has had a bad edition
in the States... :-(
By the way, if you find some mistakes in my posts, please correct me!
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Buongiorgio ha scritto:
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Sorry, I'm not with you!
I've never heard the word "jargoon" (you don't mean jargon, do you?),
although I read quite a lot of PG Wodehouse as a child.
Excuse me if I'm stating the obvious, but the tagline was a pun on "jewels
are gone".
Mary
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Guru: One who knows more jargon than you.

 Guru: One who knows more jargon than you.
...but is not able to use it properly :))
Ciao
Giorgio

 pronunciation. Do you remember my difficulties with the cockney otter ?
Never mind, I don't suppose you're the only one. Some of them are quite
difficult. Don't feel shy about asking what they mean - you're probably doing
another 50 people a favour!
Mary
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"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn," said Tom rhetorically.


Questa l'ho già vista :)))
 E non l'ho capita neanche allora:(((

  E non l'ho capita neanche allora:(((
"Francamente, mia cara, me ne infischio" (ora adottato da Celentano) è la famosa
ultima battuta di Via col Vento, pronunciata dal protagonista Rhett Butler
(Clark Gable).
Mary O'Hara
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I'm not apathetic, I just don't give a damn.

 think that "hit" for "colpo" is merely a bad translation
No, hit is fine.  The problem is "in which I may be implicated in".
There should be only one preposition, not two.  It should be either:"in
which I may be implicated" or "which I may be implicated in (more
colloquial).
bye
arianna
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