Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: I had heard her hare hopping here and there

How do you pronounce that?!

Giò
A man has dreams of walking with giants,
to carve his niche in the edifice of time.
Before the mortar of his zeal
has a chance to congeal
the cup is dashed from his lips,
the flame is snuffed aborning.

 How do you pronounce that?!
[ai h@d h3:d h3: hE@: hA.piN hi@: r@nd DE@:]
Here's how I pronounce it:
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fb83/herhare.mp3
Bear in mind I'm not a native speaker.
Bye, FB
-- 
"Enjoying yourself, Elfine?"
"It's going to be such fun!"
"No, it's going to be amusing or diverting, not such fun, darling."
(Cold Comfort Farm, the film)

Bear in mind I'm not a native speaker.
You didn't quite pronounce the "H" clearly in "heard", but still
amazing, you sound so posh.
Now let's here it in ammeregano! :)

 Now let's here it in ammeregano! :)
What a pity! I am so sorry. I’ve got a dashed important engagement tonight.
And, besides, I've got a sore throat, and my computer is broken, and...
(smiling face)
If I do say it in my abysmal American, you'll have to say it in Milanese!
Bye, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

If I do say it in my abysmal American, you'll have to say it in Milanese!
I've no idea what a Milanese sounds like, I can't hear Italian
accents. But I will do another "come parlo". I'll do your post about
your ears getting warmed up (if you permit). I understood many words
when you wrote that. Perhaps you can tell me if I still sound
Brazilian, Chinese or whatever :)

Bear in mind I'm not a native speaker.
che bella pronuncia. molto British, complimenti. per quanto ne posso
percepire io, eh...
solo una cosa mi sembra stonare... tu a "hopping" usi la o aperta, non
chiusa.
l'esempio è con "hoping" (verbo to hope), in cui la o è molto chiusa
(in BrEng), quasi un "houpin' ".la "o" in BrEng è quasi sempre
chiusa...ora non mi vengono esempi, però...
come giustifichi ciò?
io dico "houppin' " marcando _leggermente_ la doppia p, in modo tale
che la doppia sia sempre meno marcata di una doppia in italiano, ma
più marcato del verbo sperare...
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 chiusa.
La "o" di "hop" č effettivamente aperta. Vaiassapereperché...
[...]
Bye, FB
-- 
Conversation like television set on honeymoon: unnecessary.
(Murder by Death)

La "o" di "hop" è effettivamente aperta. Vaiassapereperché...
ho visto ora sul Concise. e' come dici tu.
è la stessa "o" di "pot".
mi confondevo con le parole italiane oplà e ops...
non è che il verbo l'abbia mai sentito dal vivo, o letto. o forse l'ho
sentito ma non l'ho riconosciuto.
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Thank you for your audio clip FB, your mastery of elocution is well know 
even to casual visitors of this NG as me :-)
(btw we're still eagery waiting for your American speech, so don't forget!)
Anyway, to clear matters up, my problem wasn't that I didn't know the 
"dictionary" pronunciation but rather that I found almost impossible to 
utter it because of the many "h" sounds. I wondered if one would drop some 
h's and/or use the weak forms of "had" and "her". As a matter of fact, I 
always get quite embarrassed when I have to say many "h"s in a row and I 
purposely I made up that silly sentence as an example.
bye, Lorenzo 

 purposely I made up that silly sentence as an example.
"I'd heard her rabbit jumping".
Bye, FB
-- 
"What meaning of this, Mitter Twain?" "I will tell you, Mr Wang, if you can
tell me why a man who possesses one of the most brilliant minds of this
century can't say his prepositions or articles"
(Murder by Death)

 the weak form of "had".
As far as I know you are right to use the weak form for had, the strong form 
being used just when one wants to put emphasis on it.
As for the weak form of "her", take a look at the excerpt form the Cambridge 
English Pronouncing Dictionary here:
http://www.antimoon.com/how/cepd-review.htm
"In rapid speech the weak form is likely to be /@(r)/, e.g. 'Let her 
through', /,let .@'Tru:/"
Lorenzo 

 through', /,let .@'Tru:/"
I'll wager that though most people loathe the lack of the "h" in this
sentence, many of them do use it unawarely [1]. In fact, it's far easier to
pronounce the "h" in "let her through" than the one in "heard" in "I had
heard". I suspect it is because it comes after a "d". If it came after a
"t" (try [ai h@t h3:d], it would be markedly easier.
[1] I don't recall where I read, maybe in a book by David Crystal, about a
linguist who asserted that "the idear of an intrusive r is simply
disgraceful", or thereabouts. 
Bye, FB
-- 
Domanda: "Era il figlio di Iside e Osiride".
Risposta: "Thor".
(quiz televisivo)

 Brazilian, Chinese or whatever :)
You didn't sound English at all. I think it's a good thing. You should do a
"come parlo" in English, too. I'm also very curious to listen to Mary, and
to Alan, to find out if he actually speaks like Sean Connery. (smiling
face)
Bye, FB
-- 
"Come, dear, we have already missed five, if not six, trains. To miss any
more might expose us to comment on the platform."
("The Importance of Being Earnest", Oscar Wilde)

face)
I don't think anyone sounds like Sean Connery, except for Sean Connery
:)
Here's my Italian come parlo. I reading your "Riscaldare le orecchie"
post. Let me know what you think (and others), hopefully I've
improved.
www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/jonny-italiano.mp3
Me speaking English
www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/jonny-hopping-english.mp3
Just for a laugh ;)
www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/jonny-hopping-ammeregano.mp3

 
www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/jonny-hopping-ammeregano.mp3
Is this Christmas already? (smiling face)
Thank you. As for your Italian, you must admit you are Chinese! 
You speak very well, as far as I can tell. There are some mistakes, but an
Italian would understand what you say at once. More comments later. Perhaps
I'll do a "come parlo" italiano of the same text you read.
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www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/jonny-hopping-ammeregano.mp3
LOL :)
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enrico /dot/ c /at\ people \dot\ it

>> How do you pronounce that?!
I'm sorry you're uncomfortable with the sound of H. :)
Anyway, in normal uninflected speech it would come out something like
I 'hearder hare hopping'ere an there.
-- 
This is my opinion of modern, colloquial, *conversational* American
English. 
If you feel the need to e-mail me, un-not my address first.

 I 'hearder hare hopping'ere an there.
Sorry: I missed the "had" first time around.
I'd 'hearder hare hopping'ere an there.
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I'll do a "come parlo" italiano of the same text you read.
That would be good.  I was unsure how to pronounce (stress) some
words, as I'd never heard them said before.

La comprensione aumentA molto
I probably pronounced that right in one of the other 20 or so goes
that I tried beforehand :)

 
www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/jonny-hopping-ammeregano.mp3
ROTFL!
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio
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che stesse parlando un robottino (piccolo robot).
I do know what you mean. I was trying so hard to say the words right
that I wasn't really thinking about what I was actually saying, plus
it is difficult anyway when you not used to speaking in another
language. Anyway, let me know what you think of this:
www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/Robot.mp3
It's your post. I've tried to express myself more :) How do I sound?
any mistakes?, Is my accent strong?

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I should add that opinions from others are welcomed too :)

>che stesse parlando un robottino (piccolo robot).
Robottìno, non robòttino :-))
Ricorda che quasi sempre (forse sempre, ma non ne sono sicuro al 100%) la
parole che terminano in "ino" sono piane, ossia hanno l'accento sulla
penultima sillaba.
Quello che hai detto si capisce benissimo, a volte pronunci una "o"
all'inglese, ma non ti preoccupare, lo fanno tutti i tuoi connazionali; per
il resto dovresti essere un po' più sciolto e meno "robotico" :-))
No dai,  scherzo, ma forse ti farebbe bene ascoltare un italiano
madrelingua( non di Napoli, nè della Sicilia... spesso non li capisco
neanch'io :-)) , per sentire com'è l'intonazione che abbiamo noi in Italia.
A proposito, potrei registrare il testo che hai letto per farti sentire un
po' l'intonazione italiana.
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po' l'intonazione italiana.
That would be great if you wouldn't mind :)
Thanks for your help.

 I should add that opinions from others are welcomed too :)
Io ho sentito "parolle" e "deto", ma in genere mi pare che 
parli piuttosto bene.
 
-- 
Today no, tomorrow yes.

 That would be great if you wouldn't mind :)
Ho appena fatto qualche registrazione.
Adesso devo convertire i file wav in mp3 e pubblicarli in rete :-)
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 Dormer Stanhope Chesterfield)
Da ricordare.
Ciao, FB
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Thanks!

e pubblicarli in rete :-)
You can email it to me it it's easier.
zen9021(at)zen(dot)co(dot)uk

You can email it to me it it's easier
....*if* it's easier :)

 Da ricordare.
Non mi sembra che Jonny si sia offeso perchè sono stato un po' troppo
pignolo.
Boh, non ho mica capito cosa volevi dire...
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio
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http://members.xoom.it/srw
)
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 Boh, non ho mica capito cosa volevi dire...
Quella mi pareva una frase da tenere a mente. Non alludevo ad alcunché,
preocupes no (e scusa se so anche il latino).
Ciao, FB
-- 
"Golden orb... The golden orb... The golden orb..."
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 preocupes no (e scusa se so anche il latino).
Ah, allora va bene.
:-))
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio
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http://members.xoom.it/srw
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Dormer Stanhope Chesterfield)

 
http://www.trudyholler.com/pages/download_razorlame.html
Ho scaricato i due file "zippati", ma non riesco ad estrarli in alcun modo.
Adesso provo a cercare un altro software simile.
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Ho scaricato i due file "zippati", ma non riesco ad estrarli in alcun modo.
Per estrarli puoi usare "Winzip" (
www.winzip.com
) o "Winrar"
(
www.rarlabs.com
) Io preferisco Winrar.

 Per estrarli puoi usare "Winzip" o "Winrar"
Ce l'ho quasi fatta!
Oggi pomeriggio o domani mattina credo che riuscirò a pubblicare i file mp3
in rete.
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio
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(visita il mio sito: 
http://members.xoom.it/srw
)
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