Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: sequenza fonemi

E' uscita una discussione tra me e una persona sulla sequenza di
fonemi (in particolare le consonanti di "something's under") che si
sente in questo file audio.
 
Dopo esserci dati a vicenda dei sordi abbiamo deciso di sentire altri
orecchi.
 
www.valeriovanni.com/docpub/gm.mp3
 
 
Voi che cosa ci sentite?
Ah, i caratteri IPA non riesco a leggerli su questo newsreader, metto
un link alla tabella SAMPA.
 
http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/english.htm
 
 
-- 
Ci sono 10 tipi di persone al mondo: quelle che capiscono il sistema binario
e quelle che non lo capiscono.

 Voi che cosa ci sentite?
...
 
Beh, quello che sento io dell'inglese non fa testo :D
Ma qual è la domanda specifica?

 
http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/english.htm
 
 
Non credo che quel link sia molto utile in questo caso.
Quello che sento è semplicemente
   samsin gander debbeeeeeee
 
Kiuhnm

    samsin gander debbeeeeeee
 
To my ear it's close to that (a matter of involuntary interpretation):
samsing ander debeeee(d) (thinking it's "something under the bed.")
 
-- 
Joey from New York
Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator,
but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
   -- WH Auden
 

Ma qual è la domanda specifica?
 
Non ho voluto mettere dettagli appositamente per avere un parere senza
il minimo condizionamento.
 
La persona di cui parlavo nel primo post sostiene con forza che tra la
/g/ e la vocale che segue c'è una /s/ (che sarebbe la 's della terza
persona singolare).
Ecco, per me non c'è la minima traccia di una /s/ in quel punto, da
ciò si è originato il darsi dei sordi a vicenda.
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 ciò si è originato il darsi dei sordi a vicenda.
 
All'inizio pareva anche a me, ma dopo aver riascoltato... darei ragione al tuo amico. 
Però, come detto, non faccio testo :)
 
 

 
 
I don't hear any hint of /s/ after the /g/, but in the entire context, it is 
possible that one's brain would "supply" the /s/ so that the sentence would 
make sense.
 
If, in the greater context, the line is "... something's under the bed..." 
and if that's clear from the context, the /s/ wouldn't have to actually be 
there: the brain would provide it.
 
Without the whole line, it's hard to say.
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Without the whole line, it's hard to say.
 
The greater context is the song "Goodnight moon" by Shivaree.
Every lyrics page i've found on the web reports "something's".
 
You can listen to the original song here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_8gUI-Y5HQ
 
(the clip posted before was taken from an amatorial recording)
 
Here I can clearly hear the "'s" (to be accurate a /z/). [1]
 
A question: are you saying (about the "'s" of verbs) that, if the
context provides it, it is correct to omit it?
 
[1] Within this song there is one thing that I found in lyrics pages
but I don't actually hear in the sound: is the "I'm" at the start of
chorus: "What should I do? I'm just a little baby".
For shure there isn't any syllable "I'm", perhaps a 'm linked to the
following syllable, but perhaps it's just my brain supplying. I want
to listen with headphones.
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 (the clip posted before was taken from an amatorial recording)
 
You don't say! :)
 
Kiuhnm

 there: the brain would provide it.
 
Are you implying Valerio doesn't have or doesn't use a brain? :DDD
 
[sorry Valerio for my battutaccia, non ho potuto resistere!]

 context provides it, it is correct to omit it?
 
No, I'm not saying it's correct to omit it. What I mean is that in rapid 
speech and especially in songs, it's not unusual for sounds to be elided or 
merely hinted at and the context allows one to reassemble the missing parts 
and to construct a 'proper' sentence.
 
I'll listen to the whole song and see if I can identify what you mean.
 
Referring to "I'm", in my own experience it can sound like "um," "ahm," or 
just "'m."
 
In songs, there are no rules of grammar or diction.
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 chorus: "What should I do? I'm just a little baby".
 
I don't hear it either. At most, she might pronounce " 'mjust a little baby."
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 sente in questo file audio.
 
By the way, what she says here is "sum'in zunder the bed"
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