Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Niner

in una serie televesiva c'� un team di militari - SG1- che quando parla via 
radio usa il termine in oggetto in frasi del tipo:
this is SG1 niner, over
che significa quel niner? 

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E' una usanza militare, invece di "nine" che su di una linea disturbata
puo' essere confuso con "five" dicono "niner", per la stessa ragione
"five" viene pronunciato "fife". 
G
P.S.
Essendo il mio primo intervento su ICLI, Saluti a tutti! 
G

 "five" viene pronunciato "fife". 
visto che ti indendi di gergo militare, ma dire nove che mi significa?
ciao

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Non ho idea, SG1 e' una serie che non seguo quindi mi manca il contesto.
Puo' essere il numero dell'unita' o della locazione o l'identificativo
di una persona o di un rango. Mi ricordo che in alcuni libri di FS il
capitano dell'astronave era sempre "six", puo' essere che "nine" sia il
comandante del team.
Ciao,
G  

 locazione
"Locazione" in italiano significa tutt'altro.

 comandante del team.
Queste pagine parrebbero confermare
...O'Neill and Carter are both spec ops, not regular pilots... We've
heard O'Neill go by "SG-1 Niner" before, with "niner" being the
designation for the team leader. I think it was even approved by the
USAF - isn't it great having an Air Force consultant on your production
staff? [Smile]
http://flare.solareclipse.net/cgi2/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=001140;p=0
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081210104616AA43Rhd
Per� questa trascrizione dei dialoghi, no! :)
SG-3 LEADER: "SG-1 niner, this is SG3 sierra. Target has just come through the gate and is on route to your position."
http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/transcripts/711.shtml
Tieni conto che oltre ai numeri si usano anche le lettere per le varie
unit�, per es. Sierra = S, secondo l'alfabeto fonetico NATO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet

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Vero, in effetti intendevo localita'.
G


The use of "niner" is not confined to the military. It is used by all radio
operators, including pilots, police, amateur radio operators, etc., for
clarity when talking on the radio..
"Five" is always pronounced "five", never "fife", although you may
occasionally hear "fiver".
Joe from Massachusetts

 "Locazione" in italiano significa tutt'altro.
_significava_ tutt'altro...
Eccetera.
Giovanni 

 
Si, certo, l'uso e' piu' ampio ma mi riferivo all'esempio citato, e
credo comunque che sia partito da li. 
Mentre "niner" l'ho sentito spesso, "fife" e' solo per sentito dire, non
so se sia comune, "fiver" lo conoscevo come "five-dollar bill" e mi pare
strano che sia usato perche' renderebbe "niner" inutile per
diversificare. 
Forse qualcuno che ha sentito usare "niner" e non sapendo il perche' ha
cominciato a usare anche "fiver" e ha sparso l'abitudine ma dubito che
sia un uso codificato e di sicuro non in trasmissioni ufficiali
(militari, polizia, controllo aereo..)
G

 _significava_ tutt'altro...
Eh?

"G" <g...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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I agree. A novice amateur radio operator may erroneously use "fiver" instead
of "five", which could result in misunderstanding under adverse radio
conditions.
However, only someone who has difficulty with the English letter "v" would
say "fife" instead of "five". Still, the "fife" would be easily recognized
as "five", and there would be no miscommunication.
Research has shown that many plane crashes are caused by poor communication
between flight officers, and between flight crews and ground crews. It seems
that pilots who come from a culture and language background which prizes
deference to superiors are much more likely to be involved in serious
accidents, because of the reluctance to challenge authority. Pilots are now
schooled to overcome this cultural bias, and the results have been
encouraging. The contrast between Korean-speaking and English-speaking
pilots is particularly noteworthy.
It is only fitting that English has been adopted as the international
language for pilots, since both the language and the culture permit
subordinates to express their opinions.
The following shows the effect of using English to overcome the impediment
of hierarchy.
�When the pilots spoke Korean, they consistently acted within the boundaries
of their native hierarchical and deferential culture. However, when they
spoke English, they operated in a different and more casual culture. The
result? The hierarchy faded away.�
http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-cost-of-hierarchy-in-korea-a-story/2009/06/08
Joe from Massachusetts


The Russians are the ones who have a problem with the final "v" sound, which
doesn't exist in Russian. The Russian letter "v", when it falls at the end
of a word, is pronounced "f".
Many Russian patronymics which end in "v" have two forms, masculine and
feminine:
Andreev, Andreeva; Popov, Popova; Ivanov, Ivanova; Khroushchev, Khrouscheva.
Although the masculine words end in "v", they are pronounced as if they
ended in "f".
Thus, the pronunciations are Andreef, Andreeva; Popof, Popova, Ivanof,
Ivanova, Khrrouschef, Khrouscheva.
The Russians also have a problem with words ending in "g" and "k". Russian
words ending in "g" are pronounced as if they ended in "k".
Bog, boghi (God, gods) are pronounced "Bok, boghi".
The Germans have a problem with final "d".
Bund, Bunde are pronounced Bunt, Bunde.
Americans also have a problem with the German final "d".
The German-American Bund (pronounced Bund here in the US) was a popular
German organization in the US, prior to WWII.
Joe from Massachusetts


Speaking of Furlan, I can remember that the road signs in the Sud Tirol, er,
I mean the Alto Adige, are in German and Italian (Meran/Merano,
Bozen/Bolzano), but aren't the road signs in the Friuli region in both
Furlan and Italian? Is this a fairly recent development?
Joe from Massachusetts

 drivers.
People do seem to find maths hard, don't they? 
Perhaps he should have stuck to bilingual road signs signs :-)
Antonio


My parents came to the US from Ireland, where, technically, Gaelic is one of
the official languages, even though only about 5% of the people speak the
language. The language is taught in the schools, with the hope that the
language might one day be spoken by the majority of Irishmen. All road
signs are in both English and Gaelic. At the airports and train stations,
all directions are in both languages. The language is everywhere, but no one
speaks it.
There is an interesting 12-minute Irish video on the internet which tells
the story of a young Chinese boy who, bored with his job in a supermarket in
China, decides to emigrate. He goes to the public library and spins a globe,
and stops it with his finger. His finger has stopped the globe at Ireland,
so he decides to emigrate to Ireland. After reading in a book that Gaelic is
the language of Ireland, he starts to study Gaelic, and after six months he
departs for Ireland.
It is important to note when watching the film that when the Chinese boy
speaks in the video, even when he is alone, he is always speaking Gaelic,
except at the beginning of the film, when he speaks Chinese at work, and
to a librarian. The film suggests that he knows no English.
Needless to say, no one understands him when he gets to Ireland,
so he thinks he hasn't learned Gaelic well enough to be understood.
He finds his place in the sun when he ends up in the "Ghaeltacht", the area
in the West of Ireland where Gaelic is still spoken.
The video has English subtitles.
The title of the video is '''My Name is Yu Ming" ("Yu Ming is Ainm Dom" in
Gaelic).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7696962958419519684
Joe from Massachusetts


M�av ni Mhaolchatha, better known simply as "M�av", is an Irish soprano who
was one of the original members of the Irish musical group "Celtic Woman".
Thirty years ago, she would have called herself Maeve Mulcahy. I have
relatives named Mulcahy, so I recognize the name even in its Gaelic form,
but I wouldn't know the Gaelic pronunciation.
There is an increasing tendency for Irishmen to use the Gaelic equivalent of
their names, which means that maybe there is hope for the revival of the
Gaelic language.
If you happen to be in the area, on July 19th the annual Irish Festival
("Feis") will be held at Anthony Wayne State Park, thirty miles north of New
York City. The Feis attracts people mostly because of the music, but also
features competitions in the Irish language for both children and adults.
The language revival is taking place even on this side of the Atlantic.
http://www.rocklandcountyfeis.com/
I might even have to start studying Gaelic. I wonder how my name woud be
spelled in Gaelic?
Joe from Massachusetts

 name woud be spelled in Gaelic?
Let us know your progress in that hard task, if you dare engage.
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