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Titolo: Soglio = entro

I'm trying to understand a bit of Rigoletto which says
Soglio in cittade uccidere.
Oppure nel mio tetto.
L'uomo di sera aspetto
Una stoccata, e muor.
The speaker is the assassin, Sparafucile, who is explaining to Rigoletto how
he murders people.
I've translated this bit as
I enter the citadel to kill.
Or under my own roof
I await the man in the evening
One stab and he's dead.
But it doesn't make much sense.  Why does he enter a citadel? Does Soglio =
enter.
Evi

 enter.
< Soglio means : I usually........
Yours
Sal

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Thank you very much, Salvador. You have saved me again!
Evi

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Dal Garzanti
Soglio 
 
Fonetica: [sò-glio] 
Etimologia: Lat. soli°u(m), corradicale di sedìre 'sedere' 
                 Definizione: poet. solio, s. m. (lett.) 
1 trono, seggio: soglio reale; soglio celeste, di Dio, dei santi; diva
il mondo la chiama, / e le sacrò l'Elisio / soglio (FOSCOLO Odi) 
2 dignità, potere di un sovrano: il soglio pontificio, la dignità, il
potere papale; salire al soglio pontificio, diventare papa.  
Sincerely 
Joey

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I saw that entry in Garzanti, Joey. Io gia vidi quella definizione, Joey.
If Soglio is a noun, the phrase makes even less sense.
Per favore, puoi parafrasare (in Italiano) affinché io intenda essa:
RIGOLETTO:
E come puoi
Tanto securo oprar?
SPARAFUCILE:
Soglio in cittade uccidere.
Oppure nel mio tetto.
L'uomo di sera aspetto
Una stoccata, e muor.
Evi


You are right; what Joey found was a noun, while the one you were
inquiring about is a verb, and they have different meaning. I would
guess that the infinitive of soglio (verb)  is "solere" which means
"essere soliti", which would translate into "to be used to" in English.
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 > < Soglio means : I usually........
    Or "I use to" (especially in the past tense).
    I would like to add that it comes from the irregular verb "solere":
Io soglio
Tu suoli
Egli suole
Noi soliamo
Voi solete
Essi sogliono
    Which is not frequently used nowadays, especially in the forms
containing -glio. You can find that root in some other words, though, like
"insolito", etc.
    Bye,
           Nicola
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difficilia (Seneca).
[it, en, ru, es, (fr, pt, la, zh, ar)]

 "essere soliti", which would translate into "to be used to" in English.
E che cosè la differenza tra queste due frasi?
Solevo scrivere i romanzi.
Scrivevo i romanzi.

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Thank you, Nicola and Wolfie :)
'I used to', makes more sense, although I'm still not sure what the assassin
means.
Soglio in cittade uccidere.
Oppure nel mio tetto.
L'uomo di sera aspetto
Una stoccata, e muor.
I've translated this as:
I usually murder inside the Citadel
Or under my own roof.
I await the man at night
One stab and he's dead.
I don't think that Citadel is the correct word. In English, a citadel is a
fortress - a place that is full of soldiers. Does cittade mean something
different in Italian? The murderer, Sparafucile is telling us that these are
safe places to murder; the citadel and his own home.
Evi

I don't think that Citadel is the correct word. 
I believe you should read "city" or "town' instead of "citadel"
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Penso che la prima sia piu' specifica perche' indica che lo
scrivere romanzi era una attivita' abituale; la seconda e'
piu' generica.
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     Or "I use to" (especially in the past tense).
Scusa se ti correggo, ma "used to" non ha un tempo presente; "use to"
non esiste proprio.
Esiste soltanto la forma "I used to". 
Ci sono 2 verbi diversi che gli italiani confondono spesso:
"used to" e "to be used to".
Esempi:
"used to" 
I used to play tennis = una volta giocavo a tennis (ma non lo faccio
pių)
"to be used to"
I'm used to speaking Italian = sono abituata a parlare l'italiano.
A few years ago, I was used to speaking French = qualche anno fa, ero
abituata a parlare il francese.
Mary
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Wolfie, you have rescued me again.  City makes good sense.
Evi

 different in Italian?
It means "town" or "city". Most Italian words ending in a stressed
vowel were longer a few centuries ago (Rigoletto was written less than
two hundred years ago, but its language is obviously rather
old-fashioned, to say the least).
Medieval Italian => Modern Italian
cittade             città
virtute             virtú
libertate           libertà
And so on. You can find many such words in poetry, so you should get
used to it, though you are not supposed to use them anymore.
Bye,
    Nicola

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Thanks for those handy hints, Nicola.  Usually the Garzanti.it site is very
good at giving medieval words, but it didn't help me with this one.  Now
that I know it is 'city' the whole thing makes sense.
Evi

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