Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: To have and have not (non Hemingway)

Oh bella, ed io che credevo di avere imparato qualcosa...
Beh, mi guardo il corso sul DVD che dà il sole 24 ore e mi sento dire dalla 
tutor che è corretto dire
I don't have blue eyes
oppure
Do you have a cigar?
e fin li mi va bene,
ma poi mi dice che non vanno bene
I haven't blue eyes
oppure
Have you a cigar?
Vabbeh, io uso "correttamente" la prima forma solo perchè ci sono abituato 
ma dai vecchi ricordi di scuola mi viene in mente che la prima forma 
sopraccitata era quella americana (e nei compiti me la segnavano sbagliata) 
e che la seconda era quella britannica.
Alchè vado al Dizionario Ragazzini degli anni 70 e mi trovo
He hasn't (fam. hasn't got; USA doesn't have) a good memory
How much money have you? (fam., h. you got; USA: do you h.)
che stando al DVD è sbagliato...
come può essere così drasticamente cambiata una lingua in trent'anni che 
neanche accennano che prima era corretto ciò che ora è sbagliato?
Ho paura di essere io che sono sclerotico!

 neanche accennano che prima era corretto ciò che ora è sbagliato?
Ti assicuro, per esperienza diretta, che in GB il *got* esisteva anche 
trent'anni fa.
Tabhall

tabhall ha scritto:
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Il "got" al presente esiste da secoli. Si veda anche solo Wilde.
Ciao, FB

 che stando al DVD è sbagliato...
Almeno la seconda è quasi impensabile; la prima non proprio, ma non è 
nemmeno comune.
Ciao, FB

 Have you a cigar?
Nell'"English grammar in use" di R. Murphy, ultima edizione, sono 
considerate corrette ma meno usate.

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In the US, I might say, "Do you have any blue shirts?" to a clerk in a
department store.
But I might also say, in a less formal setting, "You got a match?", or
"You got a smoke?"
"Have you got a(ny).... " would be rare in my speech or writing,
formal or colloquial.
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(UK) 'I haven't blue eyes' I would never say ; 'He hasn't a good memory' I 
would be  unlikely to say ; but there are plenty of situations where it 
would be commonplace for an Englishman to use 'haven't' , e.g. 'He hasn't a 
cat in hell's chance of reaching the green from there' ; 'He hasn't much 
money , but he always stands his round.'
As the last example suggests , 'How much money have you ?' is certainly 
pensabile in the UK , as is 'Have you enough money , darling ?'
Mike

 Expressions such as 'Have you time to/for...?' are everyday usages .
I didn't think so.
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FB


That's a difficult question . 'Have you got any...?' could be used by anyone
anytime ; but my own impression is that nowadays in England (but maybe not
Scotland) 'Do you have any...?' has a more educated/formal tone , and maybe
would be even less common than 'Have you any ... ?' However , I may be
influenced by the frequency of 'Have you any ...?' expressions of the kind I
quoted ; and I wouldn't be all that confident that other native speakers ,
perhaps in other areas of the country , would agree with me .
Mike

 (UK) 'I haven't blue eyes' I would never say ; 'He hasn't a good memory'
It seems to be a matter of sound.
'Have you any..." 'have you time', 'I haven't blue eyes" sound good,
'I have blue eyes" is more difficult to pronounce. I mean, it's easier 
to say 'haven't blue...' rather than  'have blue'.
Am I talking nonsense? :-)
Tabhall

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Yes and no ! I agree , in fact , that it's sometimes a matter of sound ; but 
in this specific case , 'I haven't blue eyes' sounds very awkward to me ; I 
wouldn't say it and I doubt if anyone else would ; whereas  'I have blue 
eyes' sounds perfectly ok .
Mike 

 Do you have a cigar?
"Do you have any children?" "Never more than one a year."