Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Pappatoria

 English coffee....
Grandma ;) pls we understood "those were great years", but we are starting
the third millenium NOW!
And anyhow the Italian law I feel forbids to speak about that stuff. Could
help people to think to commit suicide! Particularly for E. Coffee ;)
(Come si dice "instigare" e stuff e' prorale, singolare... o regolare?)
Buon vento
P.S. Mi sono accorto che abbiamo pochi thread lunghissimi ... spezzare,
spezzare!

Grandma ;)
Now!
You are talking to a Queen.
Don't forget it.
A Knight willing to put another etch on his sword.
; )

Buon vento
saluti,
Peltio

(Come si dice "instigare" e stuff e' prorale, singolare... o regolare?)
"Istigare" = "to instigate", "to incite", "to get so. to do st.", "to urge",
"to stir up" (e.g. "a riot").
"Stuff" is both singular and plural.
Bye Asoka xx'82
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"Stuff" is both singular and plural.
As a subject, I believe "stuff" is always singular, sort of like "qualche cosa."
If I'm mistaken please give me an example.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

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I think the best translation for stuff is "roba".
I have never heard stuff used in the plural, but then again, what I
have heard or haven't heard is not a good indication of what is correct
and what isn't.
BTW, I absolutely abhor the word "pappatoria".  Couldn't we change it?
ciao
Arianna
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If I'm mistaken please give me an example.
"Stuff" is chiefly singular, but you can say "food(-)stuffs" = "generi
alimentari".
Anyway, the best translation is "roba", "materia".
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 ; )
Notch.
Etchings are something you invite young ladies home to look at.
Mary
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Etchings are something you invite young ladies home to look at.
Abito qui, perche' non sali?
Ho una collezione di medicinali
due bicchieri, e gli avanzi del pranzo di ieri
(Sergio Caputo)
Just feeling happy
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching


It's one of the class of nouns usually called "uncountable", which are only used in
the singular.
Two members of this class that Italians often incorrectly use in the plural are
"equipment" and "information".
Mary
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Yes, that's true, especially for "information" (but not only in Italy).
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Etchings are something you invite young ladies home to look at.
Qualcuno sa com'è che in Italiano diventano francobolli?
saluti,
Peltio


Must be something to do with the size...  :)))
Mary
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Quite right; "foodstuffs", as you said, is used in the plural.
You should say "not long ago" or "a little while ago", not "shortly ago".
"Shortly" means "fra poco"; I can't think of another context in which it could
be used.
Mary
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 BTW, I absolutely abhor the word "pappatoria".  Couldn't we change it?
Not a great Italian, but I can assure it's _quite_ used; for sure you could
hear the root "pappa" more often. They both become from baby language I
think.

 Qualcuno sa com'è che in Italiano diventano francobolli?
Non solo; direi che si divide equamente tra i citati francobolli, le
farfalle ed ovviamente le mai dimenticate stampe cinesi ;)
Abbiamo solo piu' fantasia, sai com'e' qui la lotta e' piu' dura!

 Abbiamo solo piu' fantasia, sai com'e' qui la lotta e' piu' dura!
Come sarebbe a dire???
Mary
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be used.
Yeah, also "shortly before" (a little different, though), "a short time
ago", etc.
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think.
"Pappatoria" non e` un termine molto simpatico. Oggigiorno significa
soprattutto grassi guadagni illeciti. E anche in passato, quando non
aveva acquistato queste connotazione sociali, serviva a indicare un
pranzo eccedente di molto il fabbisogno calorico giornaliero. Che io
sappia, l'unico che lo abbia adoperato in un testo letterario e`
stato, nel XVII secolo, il commediografo Giovan Battista Fagiuoli, un
precursore di Goldoni: "Vo' fare una pappatoria di garbo" ("Cio` che
pare e non e`, ovvero Il cicisbeo sconsolato").
BTW: Quest'ultimo termine e` stato esportato anche neii paesi
anglosassoni, visto che e` possibile ritrovarlo anche nel Roget's:
Love: lover (noun)
lover, love, true love, sweetheart
young man, boyfriend, Romeo
young woman, girlfriend, bird (Brit)
swain, beau, gallant, spark, cavalier, squire, escort, date
steady, fiancé(e)
wooer, courter, suitor, follower, captive, admirer, hero-worshiper,
adorer, votary, worshiper
aficionado, fan, devoted following, fan club
sugar daddy, dotard
*cicisbeo*, gigolo, squire of dames, ladies' man, lady-killer,
seducer, Lothario, Don Juan, Casanova
paramour, amorist, libertine
Ciao
Ferdinando Chiodo

 250 Wongs listed in NYC Phone Book... lotta Wong Numbers!
Thanx Mary, another one: "lot of"

persone/cose, vale?
Vale, vale...
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 pranzo eccedente di molto il fabbisogno calorico giornaliero.
Bah e' tutto vero, ma cio' non toglie che sia una forzatura ;) Non
dimentichiamo il contesto
Nessuno a cui io possa dire tra Milano e Genova (forse in altre aree):
"Tutti a tavola, la pappatoria e' pronta" (e via di questo tipo) potrebbe
mai pensare ad un termine poco simpatico... ne' e' mai venuto in mente a me
tante' che non avevo capito all'inizio.

 istigate?

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Compensation, Paolo, ...compensation.
The total number of n is conserved.
saluti,
Peltio
(che l'aveva vista in italiano, ma cannata di brutto in inglese)


Like the motion quantity ? :-):-)
BTW, those 'n's, in English, are a Latin inheritance.
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Like the motion quantity ? :-):-)
Grmbbl...grumbl...Grmbbl...
I've seen the smileys, but... but...
I really can't help it!
Momentum. It's momentum.
There shouldn't be such a thing as a 'quantity of motion' even in Italian,
IMO.
I suggest that you get used to the term "momento" to mean "quantità di
moto".
Also, "momento angolare" to mean "momento della quantità di moto".
Should you be confused by this terminology asimmetry, "momento lineare" will
do as well.
May Feynman be with you.
saluti,
Peltio

 IMO.
 I wonder why we still keep on using italian dealing with physics...
Feynman's books are also a lot less expensive in english.
In any case, even if I agree, that "quantità di moto" is in some way
misleading and doesn't represent correctly the mathematical meaning of that
physical quantity (especially "momento della quantità di moto"), I find also
that "momento" is misleading in italian. There are a lot of different
moments.
You can't make any confusion in english between "moment"and "momentum",
while in italian there is no difference.
My suggestion is to use from now on the term "pippo" ;-)))
More seriously, I think that "momento lineare" should avoid confusions.
Giorgio
Moment: very popular drug, particularly effective for the headache of
physicists ?