Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Re: Belongs

 To feel that one doesn't *belong* (senza s finale)
When one "doesn't belong", one feels as though they are in the wrong 
place, or with the wrong people, or at the wrong time.
"I joined the Mountain Club, but I realized I didn't belong." (I'm afraid 
of heights, maybe.)
"I went to the party, but I didn't know anyone there; they were all older 
than I, and I felt like I didn't belong (there.)"
Also in this sense:
"I belong to a hobby club; everyone makes model airplanes. [Boy is it 
lame! :) ]"
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 modo: To feel that one doesn't belongs
In italiano, "sentirsi a disagio", "trovarsi fuori posto".
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Giovanni Bajo

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Another interesting problem in translation from English to Italian is
the word "lonely". I don't think there is an exact equivalent in
Italian.
Joe from Massachusetts

 Italian.
It is actually rare to find one to one equivalences, which means a single
Italian word which is valid for all uses of a certain English word; this would
not surprise me. What is actually more interesting is finding words used with
meanings which cannot correctly be translated to Italian without resorting to
idioms or more complex periods. That was the case of "belong", but I cannot
think a similar example for "lonely" off-hand. Would you mind elaborating on
it?
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Giovanni Bajo

 Italian.
Rarely do words have exact equivalents. The other night, for example, I 
wanted to render the term "freddoloso" in English, and had to resort to a  
circumlocution such as "he feels the cold", or something like that. How 
would one normally say that? 
Max

, Max M. wrote...
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Well, my little dictionary lists "chilly; adj." (which was the word that 
came to mind when I read "freddoloso") but I'm not that familiar with the 
Italian word to know if it's a decent parallel meaning
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Isn't chilly a synonim for cold? As in: chilly wind.
'Freddoloso' is used to define a person who is particularly sensitive to
cold.
CC

 
Yes, that's what I was afraid of. "Chilly" isn't really a synonym 
for cold; it means "not quite cold" (but not warm... "almost cold") but 
doesn't refer to a person who is sensitive to the cold. And I can't think 
of an English word that does.
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ke...@verizonnot.net
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Come altro esempio, puoi pensare anche alla frase: "You and I belong 
together" (abbastanza comune nelle canzoni), che vuol dire più o meno: 
siamo fatti l'uno per l'altra

, Zio Fester 
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Buon esempio.
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but doesn't refer to a person who is sensitive to the cold. And I can't
think of an English word that does.
My dictionary offers only one possibility 'to feel the cold' as Max has
already noted.
CC

 already noted.
And I see there's no exact equivalent. As I understand it though, since 
it's an adjective, would a better translation be "someone who feels the 
cold" (noun=person) rather than "to feel the cold" (verb)? Or is it not 
always used for a person? Grazie per la spiegazione.
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 always used for a person? 
"Freddoloso" only applies to persons.  (In the widest sense of the word 
"persons", which includes dogs and gods.)
Max

 "persons", which includes dogs and gods.)
piccola "correzione":
"...includes dogs, gods and CATS." (But then, the last two are 
synonymous, in marked contrast with the first.) 
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 "Freddoloso" only applies to persons.  (In the widest sense of the word
"persons", which includes dogs and gods.)
Gods???
CC

, Cristina Ciocca 
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[Voleva dire, credo, "cats" :) ]
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Indeed . Freddoloso = Fr. frileux :
        Les Chats
Les amoureux fervents et les savants austeres
Aiment egalement , dans leur mure saison ,
Les chats puissants et doux , orgueil de la maison ,
Qui comme eux sont frileux et comme eux sedentaires . etc.
As already said , no equivalent single word exists in English .
Not sure whether your adoring owner is an amoureux fervent or a savant
austere (maybe an amoureux savant) .
Mike

, Michael Brewer wrote...
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My dear departed adoring owner was closer to "idiot savant", :) but I'm 
sure he would have appreciated le petit poème.
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I use it for "I feel the heat and prefer cooler weather." So for
those who feel the cold easily, rug up! :-)
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