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Titolo: Come si traduce dado?

Sul dizionario ho visto "Die" ma in un'altro ho letto "Dice". Per 
caso "Dice" e' il plurale di "Die"?
Intendo i dadi per giocare.
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 Intendo i dadi per giocare.
Sarebbe "die (sing.), dice (plur.)", ma sempre più si sente "dice (sing.),
dice (plur.)". 
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dice (plur.)". 
Non sapevo che "die" fosse la forma originaria, pensavo fosse una
variante americana, guarda te. :) Anyway, "dice" come singolare c'è in
tutti i dizionari, quindi non direi "sarebbe", ma "era". Sarebbe da
l'impressione che "die" sia più corretto, cosa che invece non è. Il
Cambridge riporta questo:
die (GAME)  noun
OLD USE OR US FOR dice (GAME)
Sempre il "Cambridge" alla voce "dice" dice:
(MAINLY US OR OLD-FASHIONED die)
Visto che ti interessa la variante British, sappi che suona
old-fashioned.
Dice, poi, *credo* possa diventare "dices" quando si tratta di dadini
di cibo, ad esempio.
E c'è anche "dado", ma ha tutto un altro significato.
Sebastiano

 di cibo, ad esempio.
Non sapevo che nel caso di dadi da gioco si dovesse dire "dice" anche al
plurale.
E' possibile comunque che si possa usare lo stesso "dices" per "dadi da
gioco" (magari come forma meno comune)?
L'ho visto usare in questa maniera da un Americano.
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Intendo i dadi per giocare.
Singolare "die", plurale "dice". Pero', solamente i matematici (e
quelli che fanno i giochi di ruolo) sono soliti usare "die" al giorno
d'oggi. Se fossi in te, direi "die".
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Dices? I have never heard it, except as a verb form, as in "He dices
the onions for his risotto". "Dadini", when speaking of food, would be
"cubes". Diced onions are little cubes of onion.
"Die" is very common in the tool-and-die industry, which is the
industry involved in the making of precision tools for the cutting and
shaping of metal and plastic. "Dies" is the plural in this instance.
Although technically "die" is the singular of "dice", those cubes used
in gaming, it is not often used, since dice are almost always used in
pairs, and because many people think that it doesn't sound quite right
in the singular, and will use a circumlocution in its place: "Hand me
one of those dice", rather than "Hand me that die". A cube-shaped
gaming piece which is not marked with the numbers one through six
would be called by some other name.
Joe from Massachusetts

 the onions for his risotto".
Ok, I've got it. Probably it was just a typo...
Thank you for the clarification!
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one of those dice", rather than "Hand me that die".
Mathematicians use "die", and role-playing-game rulebooks that I've
seen mostly/all seem to.
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 "die".
Il mio voc. dà dies come plurale per il dado sotto le 
colonne.
The die is cast.
The nut is forged.
 
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Yes, in toolmaking, die/dies is very common. "The die is cast" means
that the die has been applied to the metal being cast and has changed
the shape of the metal. It also has a metaphorical sense. Once the
metal has been subjected to the pressure of the die, the metal assumes
a new shape, and can no longer be changed - in other words, a decision
has been made, and, right or wrong, we are forced to live with it,
because we are beyond the point of being able to change it.
Joe from Massachusetts

 
I've never heard it either, but it is in my dictionary.  Then,
there are lots of things in my dictionary which I have never
actually heard.
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because we are beyond the point of being able to change it.
I thought this was "we have thrown the randomizing thing, and our
destiny is now subject to the vagaries of chance".
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 destiny is now subject to the vagaries of chance".
These are both interesting points. When I read Joe's definition, I thought,
"Yeah, that's right," but after reading Adam's, I thought, "Wait a
minute... that seems right, too."
My confusion is additionally compounded by the dual meaning of "to cast",
which can be "to throw" (this would be Adam's connotation) , or in the
metallurgical sense of (from M-W; 4th meaning):
"a. to give a shape to (a substance) by pouring [it] in liquid or plastic
form into a mold and letting [it] harden without pressure (~ steel).
b. to form by this process."
This isn't exactly the definition proposed by Joe, since the M-W definition
involves a mold rather than a die, so I'm thinking that Adam's meaning is
more accurate.
If I'm not mistaken, a mold is the "opposite" of a die: it's a concave
shape into which a liquid is poured, and which then hardens in a specific
shape; whereas a die is a (metal) object with a (reversed) shape that is
"stamped" into a substance (my definition).
I'm inclined to go with the tossing of the die/dice to await one's fate.
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 I'm inclined to go with the tossing of the die/dice to await one's fate.
I've always intended "the die is cast" as the English for "il dado è
tratto", which is, in its turn, the Italian for "alea iacta est", the
sentence Caesar would have said after crossing the river Rubicone.
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"stamped" into a substance (my definition).
Yep. Mold as in "jelly mold", even though the liquid you pour in is
quite different. :)
Copper jelly molds are considered vintage kitchenware. Some of them
are antiques and valuable.
Sebastiano

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Actually, the probable origin of the phrase "The die is cast", is more
or less
"Italian".
 <<Tunc Caesar: "Eatur," inquit, "quo deorum ostenta et inimicorum
iniquitas vocat. Iacta alea est," inquit.>>. ("De Vita XII Caesarum",
C. Suetonii Tranquilli)
But this is now believed by many [due to the recent discovery of
emails from the Rubicon? :>) ] to be a misquote by Suetonius, and the
more probable quote, adding the imperative, is "Alea iacta esto", "Let
the die be cast". Even this is problematic, since the Roman game of
dice (alea) was played with several dice, not just one.
Joe from Massachusetts

 
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oggi no, domani sì

 the shape of the metal.
Sorry, Joe, but you're plain wrong. "The die is cast" is a translation
into English of the words put into Caesar's mouth -- at the crossing of
the Rubicon -- by Suetonius: "Jacta alea est".  See 
 
http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxthedie.html
for an argument that "the dice are cast" is at least as good a
translation.
In metalworking, at least in UK terms, a "die" is a male cutting tool
that threads the inside of a hole. A "tap" is the female equivalent,
which puts threads on the male part of the nut-and-bolt assembly. US
usage may be somewhat different
<snip correct points about metaphorical significance. But it's Jacta
alea est, Joe.>
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 the Rubicon -- by Suetonius: "Jacta alea est".
A lot of people seem to say "Alea j/iacta est". How come? The meaning is
the same, of course.
By the way, we haven't read much of (from?) you of late.
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because we are beyond the point of being able to change it.
Let me disagree.
"The die is cast"  (which has the same meaning of "the dice are thrown") is
the English version of a Latin motto:  "alea iacta est"[*]  -  in  italian:
"il dado è tratto".  After  you've  thrown the dice, you cannot do anything
but waiting for the score: which is already determined, even if  you  don't
know it yet.
[*]  Caesar's  words,  passing  through  Rubicone  (and beginning the civil
    war).
    In Svetonius: "Iacta alea est".
    In Erasmus: "Iacta alea esto".
    The sentence itself is the translation  of  a  Greek  motto,  that  goes
    something like: "be thrown the dice!".
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 in gaming, it is not often used, since dice are almost always used in
Speaking of dice, let me mention the idiomatic expression "no dice",
"niente da fare; inutile; ciccia" (pop.) [Zanichelli]

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o "loaded dice" (dadi truccati) nel senso di imbroglio.
"there ain't no love in these loaded dice" Bon Jovi