Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: St? dando i numeri!!!

Frammento dal NYtimes:
(
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/16/business/businessspecial3/16tech.html?th&emc=th
)
"Both companies said harsh competition hurt their results. Samsung's
first-quarter net profit sank 52 percent, to 1.50 trillion won, or $1.47
billion. Sales fell 4.2 percent, to 13.81 trillion won, or $13.55 billion."
Forse dovrei andare anche in un ng di matematica.
Potete tradurmi quei cali percentuali?
Ho appena scoperto che billion vale sia "un miliardo" che "mille miliardi",
ma le equivalenze di sopra non riesco a capirle.
Che vuol dire "to 1.50 trillion won, or $1.47 billion"?
Grazie.

 Ho appena scoperto che billion vale sia "un miliardo" che "mille miliardi",
If I'm not mistaken, it means "miliardo" nowadays. 
[...]
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Part of the problem is that the words "billion" and "trillion" are
used differently by some in the UK (and therefore probably in the EU).
Although "billion" (10^9) seems to have replaced "thousand million"
and "milliard" in the UK, there are still people who use "million
million" for "trillion" (10^12), leading to confusion about what they
would mean by "billion". Would it be 10^12? Or do they use trillion
for 10^12?
In the US, there has historically been one and only one value
associated with each of the words "million", "billion", and
"trillion". The UK appears to have adopted the same terminology, but
there is still some confusion, especially when reading old documents.
"Million million" can still be seen in current British writing, which
only adds to the confusion.
                  U.S.           British (current and historical use)
10^6       million          million
10^9       billion           billion (thousand million or milliard)
10^12     trillion           trillion (million million, billion)
From the UK
"In 2004 the total British personal debt will be ?1,000,000,000,000 (a
million million pounds)."
http://www.workersliberty.org/node/view/1892
In the US, this would always be "trillion".
I can't tell what the standard designations are in Europe, and
evidently I am not alone.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EuropeanBillion
Joe from Massachusetts
Joe from Massachusetts

Perche' dovrebbero dare i numeri?  Le vendite sono scese a 1,47
miliardi di dollari come gia' ti ha detto Carlo.
bye
ari

Giò
"Ancora non riesco a capire come gli sia venuta in mente"
(Richard Feynman)

 ml?th&emc=th)
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When I was young , 'billion' (UK) always meant 10^12 . Gradually , the 
American meaning has taken over ; but 'trillion' (US sense) certainly isn't 
common , so many (most? almost all?) British people , if they had to express 
the idea '10^12' , would now say 'a million million' . The only time I 
remember coming across 'trillion' (in a definitive context)was recently , in 
an explanation of 'teraflop' (the book was American) , and I have to say 
that I understood it as 10^18 (thus gaining a grossly exaggerated idea of 
the power of supercomputers) . Obviously , both 'billions' and 'trillions' 
are used commonly enough to express the idea of  'a great many' .
I've no idea what's taught in UK schools now , tho' - perhaps British 
youngsters would understand 'trillion' the US way .
'Milliard' , incidentally , was never a word in popular use , as 'billion' 
was .
Mike 

Oh, heck! this "billion" ambivalence was going to be the subject of
tomorrow's post on my site [which I had prepared some 2 weeks ago], in
the now running "Special Money Week"  :(
Now you spoiled my surprise! :P
I guess I'll need to have a "special Vernon God Little" week instead
lol
PF
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 miliardi di dollari come gia' ti ha detto Carlo.
No, ero io che davo i numeri! :-)
Non so come sia venuto quel punto interrogativo, ma mi sembrava di aver
scritto "stò" :-)
Grazie a tutti!

 Potete tradurmi quei cali percentuali?
Utile netto
Anno precedente: 3,125,000,000,000 won, equivalente a $3,062,500,000
Calo: 52 per cento
Anno corrente: 1,500,000,000,000 won, equivalente a $1,470,000,000
Secondo queste cifre, un dollaro statunitense vale circa 1,020 won
sudcoreani.
In inglese e americano un "billion" è sempre 1,000,000,000, cioè mille
millioni, 10 alla potenza di 9.
Se fossero 1,000,000,000 grammi o metri, invece, sarebbero 1 Gg
(gigagrammo) of 1 Gm (gigametro)
-- 
Xakero