Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Nucular

If I hear that again on national TV, I am going to scream!

 If I hear that again on national TV, I am going to scream!
The must learn that at the party meetings...

 If I hear that again on national TV, I am going to scream!
I'm afraid you'll hear it more and more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucular
Kiuhnm

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ok, that must be it!
gfc

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Not sure I agree with that article. Whoever wrote it was kissing donkeys 
when suggesting that the pronunciation has "widespread use among 
educated speakers". It's bull.
To me it reveals almost always a redneck, in general someone who has 
acquired perhaps a degree but not necessarily education,  a person often 
belonging to the most backwards phalanges of the GOP. W. Bush, for example.

 example.
http://www.pbs.org/speak/speech/beastly/
Click on the URL and do a "find" for Carter... an ex-president who served on 
a nuclear submarine and mispronounced 'nuclear'. The mispronunciation 
bothers me too, but I'm not sure about the correlation to education. 

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Yeah, but I'm willing to forgive Carter when/if he says "nucular" :>)

 If I hear that again on national TV, I am going to scream!
I'm pretty sure it's a Repubulican <g> thing. It's part of the
Dumbness Training they are all required to undergo.
(Fingers crossed that you won't, at least, have to endure listening to
*her* saying it for four years....)

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Their are two pronunciations for "roof" in the US, but the standard
pronunciation rhymes with "aloof", and that is the pronunciation in New York
City.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=roof&r=66
The other rhymes with "hoof" (as pronounced in the US).
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/roof[1]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hoof
I can remember a childhood friend in New York who could not say "roof". He
always said "ruf", rhyming it with "hoof". We would try to get him to say
"roof", to no avail. "Roof" was an important word, because we spent a lot of
time on the roofs of apartment building recovering balls we had hit there
while playing stickball in the street.
There may be some people whose brains refuse to let them pronounce
"nuclear", but I think they are in a very small minority, as was my friend
who couldn't pronounce "roof" as the rest of us did.
Jimmy Carter, a Southerner, says "Eye-talian", ''Eye-raq", "Eye-ran", and
"nucular". Many Americans not from the South also use these pronunciations.
I'm sure someone has brought this to Carter's attention, but the
mispronunciations must be ingrained in his mind. They all sound strange to
me.
Joe from Massachusetts

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LOL!

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I am too.  President Carter was one of my favorite presidents and is
no doubt my favorite former president.  I don't remember him ever
saying "nucular".  Did he?  I think he had his own pronunciation, but
it wasn't that off.  By the way, he has a degree in nuclear physics or
nuclear engineering, doesn't he?
gfc

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He does, according to this biography 
http://1158munich.blogspot.com/2008/04/jimmy-carter-biography-of-39th.html
Maybe it's just photo-op and I am falling for it, but my heart flies 
high like an eagle soaring through the sky (as Little Tree grandpa would 
say) every time I see the man working to build homes for poor people.

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Look what I found:
http://shop.cafepress.com/nucular
gfc

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Yes, he is a great man or at least, I think so.
gfc

 street. There may be some people whose brains refuse to let them
The only likely pronunciation in the UK is "ru:f". I think that's
the one you mean when you say it rhymes with aloof ("@lu;f"). The problem
is that "hoof" in the UK is "hu:f" ... nothing like the 
ruff ("rVf") or old-fashioned collar.
To make up for our lack of diversity in "roof", we do have two ways
of saying room: "rUm" and "ru:m".
Antonio

 ruff ("rVf") or old-fashioned collar.
I hope you don't think that "hoof" in the US rhymes with "ruff" and "tough"?
We have three vowel sounds in roof, hoof, and ruff. I think you only have
two, roof/hoof and ruff.
Joe from Massachusetts

 you only have two, roof/hoof and ruff.
Do you mean that in the US normally "roof" has the vowel of "good"
and "hoof" the one of "moon"? or what else?
Using the SAMPA symbols
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAMPA_chart_for_English
are these US pronunciations correct?
aloof /@'lu:f/
hoof /hu:f/
roof  /rUf/
rough /rVf/ 

 rough /rVf/
yes
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rough
Joe from Massachusetts

 Joe from Massachusetts
All clear now, thanks :-)