Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Un dubbio mi assale:i numeri

Salve,
avrei un dubbio sulla corretta lettura dei seguenti numeri:
1904 (nineteen and four ? )
1900
Vanno letti alla stessa maniera a prescindere che siano date o semplici
numeri?
Grazie mille ^_^
Luca

numeri?
no.
Date:
1904  Nineteen O four
1900  Nineteen Hundred

numeri?
No. Come numeri sono "one thousand, nine hundred" (o informalmente
"nineteen hundred") e "one thousand, nine hundred and four" (gli
americani non dicono "and", mi pare di capire).
Come anni sono "nineteen hundred" e "nineteen hundred and four" o
"nineteen oh four". (qui non so se gli americani dicono "and")
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il 23 Apr 2004 19:04:29 GMT, 
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D'accordo.
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a partire dal 2000 si cambia ...
2004 dovrebbe essere two thousend and four ... o no???

, 
whatisthec...@virgilio.it
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"Two-thousand four." (e "thousand" con a)
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2004 dovrebbe essere two thousend and four ... o no???
Giusto
(pure dagli americani)

 "Two-thousand four." (e "thousand" con a)
I think "twenty oh four" is possible, isn't it? 
Bye, FB


Oh dear....
Go ask Alice.  I think she'll know.
ari

 
"Two Thousand One: A Space Odyssey"
We ought not call this decade the aughts but I know not what we ought.
To. :)
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 but I know not what we ought (to)
You did it on purpose!
Bye, FB

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fam.baldu...@tin.it
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For some reason, it's not used (at least not here.) Even though 
"nineteen-o-four" is the norm, "twenty-o-four" is not.
I think it's because it's acceptable to say "nineteen hundred" in just 
about any context (as well as the other teen-hundreds): counting, dates, 
etc., but not "twenty hundred".
I don't remember if we said "Ten-o-four" a thousand years ago, but some 
days it feels like I'm old enough to remember. :-)
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, 
fam.baldu...@tin.it
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(Just wondering if you're awake.)
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 "Two Thousand One: A Space Odyssey"
Is that what it was called in the States?
I've only ever heard it called "Two Thousand and One: A Space Odyssey".
-- 
Mary

 I think "twenty oh four" is possible, isn't it?
Never heard it in GB. Eighteen-o-four and nineteen-o-four were used,
though.
-- 
Mary

, Joey DoWop
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Per quanto vale...
I have been trying to re-establish early 19th-century usage. Thus :"the
year Four."  So far, without success, but I'm a persistent bugger.
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, 
mcas...@libero.it
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Well, now you've got me thinking, (and I hate that!:) I can only say I've 
probably never said "Two Thousand and One..." although others *might*. 
And although it wouldn't be considered wrong, I don't think it's common. 
As for the movie title, I'll ask around.
I think my reason for *not* saying "and" comes from my past banking 
experience, learning the proper way to write amounts for checks. In this 
case, when writing out the dollar amount in words, you're supposed to use 
"and" only to refer to the fractional part of the dollar. Such as:
$2,001.50, which should be written "Two thousand, one dollar and fifty 
cents." (You probably already know that we use the commas and periods in 
the reverse of perhaps the rest of the world... what can I say?? :) 
Another example: $1,105.79, which could be "One thousand, one hundred-
five dollars and seventy-nine cents," or even "Eleven hundred, five 
dollars and seventy-nine cents." This is less common on a check, but 
quite common in the spoken form.
In the case of the current date and year, 2004, I don't think many people 
I know would say, "The date today is April 24th, two thousand and four."
The "and" would be omitted.
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probably never said "Two Thousand and One..." although others *might*. 
I've only heard and said Two Thousand and One, but then again, where I live we
don't speak English good.
bye
ari

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Yes, just like the "Thousand and One Nights".
Joe from Massachusetts

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Or the "One Hundred and One Dalmatians".
Joe from Massachusetts

 Or the "One Hundred and One Dalmatians".
E' più bello "La carica dei 101" :-p

As for the movie title, I'll ask around.
The movie title actually officially includes the "and."  That (with
"and") is also how I've mostly heard it called.  The "and" inclusion
could be because the book it's based on was written by a Brit.
Two Thousand and One: A Space Odyssey (alternate spelling) (USA) 
(from 
imdb.com
)
I asked several (American) friends what the current year was.  I got
both "two thousand four" and "two thousand and four."  Everyone
accepted both forms when asked about it.  Most people didn't seem to
be aware of whether they had said the "and" or not nor whether the
person next to them had said it.  So, I think these forms may be in
free variation----like the pronunciations of "vase, envelope, neither,
either"--with "two thousand four" being the more "official" and more
common AmEng form, i.e. the one you'll hear on the news.

 (from 
imdb.com
)
Ok, once again I stand corrected. (All this standing... I'm getting 
tired.) 8-)
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 common AmEng form, i.e. the one you'll hear on the news.
Questo mi fa chiedere: in che anno siamo, in italiano?
 :)
Siamo nel "duemilaquattro", nel "duemilaequattro" o nel "duemila e
quattro"?
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 The "and" would be omitted.
No one would say that here. Here it's "24th April  two thousand an'
four". They'd leave out 'the' and  'of' of "the 24th of April" And
twnty would sound more like 'twenny'... ;-)
I say "two thousand and one. " two thousand and ten" (next book) BUT
I say "the year twenty five twenty five"[2525 AD] , but I blame that
on a certain song.
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 tired.) 8-)
Hey it could be worse. mille nove cento seisanta nove ... [hopefully
the spelling is not too shabby] 
Which brings up something I've no doubt missed by being away, but how
is 2004 said in italian? Both formal and colloquial.
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 is 2004 said in italian? Both formal and colloquial.
I don't think we distinguish formal from colloquial in saying the year, and
it's very easy: duemilaquattro.
Ciao!
-- 
Maria Luisa C - 01/05/04 13.50.46, here.
(please, point out my English errors)

it's very easy: duemilaquattro.
Molti, almeno dalle mie parti, dicono "duemila e quattro", mentre nel
1999 non ho mai sentito nessuno dire "millenovecento e novanta nove"
ma solo "millenovecentonovantanove" o, semplicemente, "novantanove".
Non so se l'uso della e sia diffuso da altre parti. In dialetto da me
si dice:
dumila
dumila e uno
dumila e du
dumila e tri
dumila e quatro
dumila e sinque
Forse è per quello che in italiano molti usano la congiunzione.
1999 è milenovecentonovantanove, quindi niente congiunzione anche nel
dialetto.
Sebastiano


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Non penso sia una questione legato a un dialetto particolare. Anche a
Roma sento dire "duemila e quattro".
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 it's very easy: duemilaquattro.
Secondo me, ci sono varianti anche in Italia.
Oggi ho chiesto a un'amica in che anno siamo e mi ha risposto "Nel
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 Oggi ho chiesto a un'amica in che anno siamo
La scusa per giustificare questa domanda, naturalmente, e` la solita:
vengo dal futuro, sono qui per salvare la Terra, la macchina del tempo
non e` molto precisa, ecc. ecc. :-)
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 non e` molto precisa, ecc. ecc. :-)
LOL!
Anch'io avevo pensato a quella "e", poi ho pensato che se uno dovesse mai
scrivere la data in lettere scriverebbe per es.
primo maggio duemilaquattro
(ma non c'entra molto col modo parlato, mi rendo conto...)
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Maria Luisa C - 01/05/04 19.22.33, here.

 it's very easy: duemilaquattro.
You mean there's no formal use when one also has to hand over a
fortune in stamps?
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 fortune in stamps?
Don't think there is...
May be a sad one? ;)
-- 
Maria Luisa C - 02/05/04 10.28.46, here.
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