Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Pronuncia americana

Vero o falso?
1 "merry" si pronuncia ESATTAMENTE come "Mary"
2 "marry" si pronuncia ESATTAMENTE come "Mary"
3 "com" (as in "nbc dot com") si pronuncia ESATTAMENTE come "calm"
In BrE sono tutte e 3 false, ma in AmE? E soprattutto nell'accento di New
York (ma anche Massachusetts mi va bene)?
Molte grazie a chi vorra' intervenire.
Roberto
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 York (ma anche Massachusetts mi va bene)?
New York City or New York State? Careful or casual speaking? ;D

> New York City or New York State? Careful or casual speaking? ;D
La strada dove trasmettono il telegiornale. Very careful speaking.
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 York (ma anche Massachusetts mi va bene)?
"Anno" si pronuncia ESATTAMENTE come "ano"? 

> "Anno" si pronuncia ESATTAMENTE come "ano"?
In italiano certamente no.
Ti ringrazio molto per le 3 risposte, potrei farti ora una quarta domanda?
4 "manner" si pronuncia ESATTAMENTE come "manor"
Grazie di nuovo,
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> 4 "manner" si pronuncia ESATTAMENTE come "manor"
Io, sě. 

 Io, sě.
Grazie.
 
Tornando alle 3 domande precedenti, vorrei chiederti a quale accento ti
riferisci (scusami, non so di dove sei) o se comunque ritieni che siano 3
NO dappertutto.
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 Io, sě. 
I don't understand your answer.
What would you answer to the following question?
Is "manner" pronounced like "manor"?
Kiuhnm

 Io, sì.
I am sure you are right, but I pronounce them differently.  Could it
be a CA thing?
Ari

 be a CA thing?
The OED gives the same pronunciation for both "manner" and "manor",
although it does give different pronunciations for British and
American English.
That means nothing, of course, since speech varies quite a bit
across the UK (and the US).
Antonio

 NO dappertutto.
Referisco alla pronuncia americana. Ci sono diversi modi di dire per 
individui e per regioni, ma in generale, senza accento forte, si puň dire 
che la pronuncia č diverse per quelle parole. 

 be a CA thing?
Maybe you're more practiced saying 'manor.' I would have to make a conscious 
effort to pronounce the 'o' like 'or' instead of 'er'.

 Is "manner" pronounced like "manor"?
I don't detect a difference in the way I pronounce those two words. Of 
course, I seldom say or hear 'manor' so that might have something to do with 
it. I imagine that one would hear 'manor' more often in England. 


In some extreme New York accents, "com" and "calm" might be pronounced the
same, but I don't think that applies to a majority of New Yorkers.
Also, "manner" and "manor" are pronounced the same, even in the dictionary..
Joe from Massachusetts

 Antonio
Yes,  I saw that.  So, either there is something wrong with my
hearing, or it's not pronounced the same where I am.
ari

 effort to pronounce the 'o' like 'or' instead of 'er'.
Yes, how did you know?  I live a block from  Manor Drive.  It's one of
the roads that lead from Highway 35 to the beach.
bye
Ari

 be a CA thing?
Which part do you pronounce differently? Is it the "a", the "n/nn", or the
"o/e"?
Thanks
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 across the UK (and the US).
Not really, what I am trying to find out is if, no matter how it may vary,
the two words are always pronounced the same everywhere.
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 it. I imagine that one would hear 'manor' more often in England. 
I was interested in your Italian grammar :-)
If you ask
- Is "manner" pronounced like "manor"?
and I answer
- I, yes.
What do you tell me?
I was a bit surprise because I don't think English and Italian are so 
much different in that circumstance.
I was just trying to help...
Kiuhnm

 La strada dove trasmettono il telegiornale. Very careful speaking.
Beh, se è very careful, consapevole, suppongo che la pronuncia si
avvicinerà a quella del dizionario, mentre nel parlato casual emergono
meglio le differenze regionali :)
Parlando in generale, credo la pronuncia di 'Sposa l'allegra Maria' dipenda
dalla zona degli USA e dalle persone. Vedi  per esempio questa discussione,
(c'è anche un link dove puoi ascoltare una registrazione).
http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t9581.htm

 different in that circumstance.
I interpreted "si pronuncia" as "one pronounces", and for this reason I 
thought it was ok to respond by specifying that I do. (In English you don't 
say "I, yes" but I believe it's not uncommon to hear "io, sì" in Italian.)

 say "I, yes" but I believe it's not uncommon to hear "io, sě" in Italian.)
- Non esco molto in questo periodo.
- Io sě (no comma between Io and sě, AFAIK).
- "manner" si pronuncia "manor".
- Sě, io lo pronuncio cosě.
If you say
- Io sě.
It seems that *you* are pronounced "manor"!
Kiuhnm

 same, but I don't think that applies to a majority of New Yorkers.
Anche qui lo stesso dizionario le mette identiche, cosi' come sostiene che
"father" rima con "bother".
grazie
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http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t9581.htm
Ottimo link. Grazie!
Roberto
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 vary, the two words are always pronounced the same everywhere.
There will almost always be regional variations (in all languages with
a reasonably widespread population), so I'm not surprised to find read
a few messages ago that there are places where the two words are
distinct.
Just goes to show ho whard it is to teach people to speak properly :-)
Antonio


Well, I will say it again...they are not pronounced the same where I
am, but that doesn not mean that they shouldn't be.
Ari

 am, 
Su questo forse si possono fare due ipotesi: 
- variazioni regionali, ecc.?
- diversa attenzione nella pronuncia di una parola poco frequente (manor)
vs. una frequentissima (manner)?


Molta gente sente una differenza sottile fra il vocale di "father" e quello
di "bother".
Per me e per certi dizionari, le parole "calm", "balm", "bomb" é "psalm"
hanno lo stesso vocale, ma il vocale di "
dot.com
" e "non-com"
(non-commissioned officer) é diverso.
Io sento una differenza fra "dart calm" e "
dot.com
", fra "combat" e "calm
bat", ma sono sicuro che c'é gente che non sente questa differenza.
Se un italiano di buona famiglia preferisce dire "hasa" invece di "casa",
non corro a dire che la sua pronuncia é la pronuncia "italiana".
Joe from Massachusetts

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The "mergers" in North American English make the process of spoken
communication a bit more difficult.
If I say "m*ry h*ry potter", do I mean that Mary Potter is very hairy, or
that Harry Potter is very merry, or that Mr. Potter is both merry and hairy,
or that Mary Potter's middle name is Harry, or am I telling someone to marry
Harry Potter, or am I perhaps telling someone to marry a hairy person named
Potter?
Joe from Massachusetts