Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Re: NMP: New Mediterranean Photography. Mediterranean Avant-garde.

 
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"Giovanni Lagnese" <inv...@invalid.ldbc> wrote in message 
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Not macaronic , but probably 'maccheronico' ; that is , Italians seem to use 
the term 'maccheronico' (which they often translate as 'macheronic', a word 
which doesn't exist in English , thus coming closer to the genuinely 
macaronic!) for English which is not idiomatic , as a result of over-literal 
translation of vocabulary and retention of Italian word-order .
In that sense , this passage is indeed 'maccheronico' - it can be understood 
(apart from the word 'lymph' , which only has a biological sense in modern 
English , not the metaphorical sense of 'linfa') , but it's certainly not 
natural or idiomatic .
Mike 

 In that sense , this passage is indeed 'maccheronico'
How would you have written it?
Giovanni 

Giovanni Lagnese ha scritto:
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Adesso vuoi pure la pappa pronta?
[English mode ON] Now you want also baby food ready? [English mode OFF]
... e non crosspostare!
Do not crosspost!
Gilmorh
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 [English mode ON] Now you want also baby food ready? [English mode OFF]
La frase inglese ï¿œ maccheronica!
Now, do you also want baby food prepared for you?

 Now, do you also want baby food prepared for you?
I'd offer an even better version, but I'd hate to spoon feed you :-)
Antonio

"Giovanni Lagnese" <inv...@invalid.ldbc> wrote in message 
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OK - the problem is not that it's grammatically incorrect , but mainly that 
some of it's not natural :
(a) though the inversion of verb and subject in a statement is perfectly ok 
in English (but not so frequent) , your examples don't sound natural . Take 
the last one , 'Very interesting on this matter are also FF's works' 
(allowing for the fact that 'on this matter' isn't right) : 'also very 
interesting in this context are FF's works' would sound perfectly ok , but 
'very interesting  in this context are also FF's works' doesn't - just the 
way it is .
(b) other phrases make sense , but just aren't natural English , e.g. 'an 
inspiration source' ; 'indicative models' ; 'the art of flavours'
(c) one or two phrases remain unclear : 'a line can derive from' ; 'in the 
sign of the Med' . 'Lymph' is a literal translation of a metaphorical use  .
So I can't be sure *exactly* what you meant (I don't see the point of the 
first , third and fourth 'can's) : but I might have written something like :
The Mediterranean has much to contribute in the context of contemporary
culture . The Mediterranean offers a new creative energy and a new 
sensibility that can respond to contemporary questions . In the field of art 
, a new Mediterranean avant-garde is appearing ; one strand derives from a 
new mediterranean photographic sensibility - this is New Mediterranean 
Photography .One source of inspiration for New Mediterranean Photography is 
the work of Henri Matisse ; Franco Fontana's works have also been 
influential .Two other trail-blazing models are the music of Salvatore 
Sciarrino  and the mediterranean culinary avant-garde , headed by 
world-famous chefs Ferran Adria and Quique Dacosta .
An aesthetic revolution under the banner of the Mediterranean : this is the
spirit of New Mediterranean Photography.
Mike
(P.S. 'My name is Marina' : 'name'=subject ; 'is'=verb ; 'Marina'=complement 
.)

 Franco Fontana's works have also been influential .
"have been"?
I would say "can be".
Giovanni 

 spirit of New Mediterranean Photography.
Maybe I would substitute "Franco Fontana's works have also been 
influential" with "Franco Fontana's works are also influential".
Giovanni