Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Film titles

It foesn't happen very often, but sometimes English film titles can be
improved in the Italian version! "The Machinist" in Italy is "L'Uomo senza
Sonno". That title sounds fine to me, and having seen the film I think it's
just spot on!
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The point is:Why they have to translate a title?
Though for a "L'uomo senza ombra" there's always one "Se mi lasci ti
cancello...." (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.) sigh...
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 confusing.
Of course it is.But here in Italy,sometimes we choose to translate titles in
order to get advantage of Blockbusters with the same actor or of the same
genre.Years ago Evil Dead was translated as "La Casa"..and let's say it's
ok.Some years later The House (original title) was released and the
translation became "La Casa 3" and so on...
The same happens with "Se mi lasci ti cancello" i have mentioned remainding
of "se scappi ti sposo"(Running Bride)...
Sigh sob...
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 The point is:Why they have to translate a title?
I wonder the same thing. It seems to happen a lot more than it needs to. In
some instances it's probably necessary because of cultural or other
references that would render the original title meaningless or even
confusing.
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 cancello...." (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.) sigh...
That's life!

 confusing.
Yes, for instance "Bend it like Beckham" became "Sognando Beckham",
that makes people think of some sort of dreamy, rather silly
chick-flick [which it is not,  I would say].

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Right you are, that happens a lot, and what's worse that's most
confusing. For instance, "Ethernal sunshine..." has little to do with
"Runaway Bride" and with that genre.
In some cases, though, I don't blame film distributors for changing a
title.
"The machinist", for instance, would literally translate "L'operatore
di macchina" [he works in a factory], that doesn't sound as right as
the English title, I dare say :-)
[and, having seen the movie, I think the Italian title, "L'uomo senza
sonno", is just spot on!]

 of "se scappi ti sposo"(Running Bride)...
Shall we talk of the gratuitously vulgar Italian title for "Bad Santa"?
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A machinist is a skilled technician who works with a variety of
machines, such as lathes and milling machines, to make parts out of
raw metal. A very highly skilled machinist can become a toolmaker.
This type of work requires a good knowledge of mathematics and
geometry, interpretation of drawings, and a creative bent.
A machine operator is an unskilled person, who operates a machine in a
factory, doing the same thing over and over again. Jobs such as this
require only a few hours of training.
How would you differentiate between these two jobs in Italian?
Joe from Massachusetts

 How would you differentiate between these two jobs in Italian?
Hmmm... *perhaps* "operatore qualificato" (but I am  not really sure).
QUOTE
BMK6 - macchina compatta, automatica ,equilibratura, bilanciatura ...
- ... BMK6 MACCHINA EQUILIBRATRICE AUTOMATICA COMPATTA PER INDOTTI.
... Non richiede la presenza di un operatore qualificato Veloce
riscontro dell'investimento. ...
www.balancesystems.it/it/prodotti.asp?sigla=BMK6
 
MACCHINA DI EQUILIBRATURA E CONTROLLO PER VENTOLE DI ...
... Il ciclo di controllo e di equilibratura completo è guidato
rendendo facile l'uso della macchina anche ad ... Non richiede la
presenza di un operatore qualificato ...
www.balancesystems.it/uploadbalance/
 ita/prodotti/BTK1_ITALIANO.pdf 
UNQUOTE
Picchi says 
machinist
n C
1 operatore di macchina, macchinista
2 persona che costruisce, ripara o aziona macchine.
Anyway, I think the character in the film "The Machinist" is actually
a "Machine Operator", as he doesn't do a job that needs to be skilled
:-)
"Macchinista" in Italian is
macchinista   mac|chi|nì|sta
s.m. e f.
1 AD addetto alla manutenzione e al funzionamento di una macchina, di
un motore, di un macchinario
2 TS ferr., addetto al funzionamento di una locomotiva a vapore | CO
estens., conduttore di ogni tipo di locomotive, locomotori e
automotrici
3 TS mar., chi fa parte del personale incaricato dei servizi
dell'apparato motore e dei macchinari ausiliari di bordo
4 TS teatr., operaio o tecnico specializzato che monta e smonta le
scene e cambia scenario durante lo spettacolo
5 TS cinem., operaio specializzato che ha il compito di costruire le
scene per il film
[De Mauro]
but I think meaning 1 is less commonly used than 2, 3, 4 and 5.
If I just read the word "macchinista" alone, I think of someone who
works on a railway locomotive.

 Shall we talk of the gratuitously vulgar Italian title for "Bad Santa"?
"Babbo Bastardo", isn't it? An absurd title, that sounds more like an
insult to a father than else. But I suspect the film itself is rather
vulgar.

 confusing.
The worst example of bad translation (or uncareful translation), in my
opinion, was for the "Die Hard" trilogy.
The first movie was "Die Hard" translated in italian as "Trappola di
Cristallo".
The second movie was "Die Hard 2 - Die Harder" translated as "58 minuti per
morire".
The third and last one was "Die Hard: with a Vengeance" translated, at last,
as "Die Hard - Duri a morire"....
This can be confusing as the third italian version has the same name of the
first american movie.
Antonio
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 [De Mauro]
None of these defintions define the highly-skilled job known as
"machinist" in the USA, which in its simplest form would be "a
craftsman skilled in operating machine tools." Machine tools are not
just machines which are turned on and do all the work themselves while
an operator watches. The operator (a machinist)  tells the machines
what to do by a simple form of manual "programming", as he uses the
machine to modify the piece of raw material which is being formed into
a precision component.
Here is a job offering for a "Machinist", which shows the skills
necessary for this type of work.
http://jobdescriptions.unm.edu/jdeweb.cfm?action=viewSpecific&HRJOB_ID=4723
Joe from Massachusetts

 Italian?
Operaio [generico/comune], operaio qualificato, operaio 
specializzato.
Si usano anche parole più specifiche a seconda della 
macchina utensile:
tornitore, fresatore.
http://www.consulentilavoro.pr.it/tabelle/industria/metalmeccanici-IND.htm
Questo link vale per gli operai edili ma grosso modo è lo 
stesso che per i metalmeccanici.
http://www.cassaedilecagliari.it/ape.htm
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