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Titolo: Snow Crash

Ciao ragazzi,
Provo a fare qualcosa nuova che spero a alcuni lettori piaccia. Ecco alcune
pagine di un romanzo fantascienza di un scrittore americano. Secondo me, il
primo due capitoli di questo libro sono interessanti. Purtroppo, il romanzo
peggiora dopo.
Ciao,
Ron
USA
Snow Crash
By Neal Stephenson
1992
(almost the first half of the first chapter)
The Deliverator belongs to an elite order, a hallowed sub-category. He's got
esprit up to here. Right now, he is preparing to carry out his third mission of
the night. His uniform is black as activated charcoal, filtering the very light
out of the air. A bullet will bounce off its arachno-fiber weave like a wren
hitting a patio door, but excess perspiration wafts through it like a breeze
through a freshly napalmed forest. Where his body has bony extremities, the suit
has sintered armorgel: feels like gritty jello, protects like a stack of
telephone books.
When they gave him the job, they gave him a gun. The Deliverator never deals in
cash, but someone might come after him anyway-might want his car, or his cargo.
The gun is tiny, aero-styled, lightweight, the kind of a gun a fashion designer
would carry; it fires teensy darts that fly at five times the velocity of an
SR-7 1 spy plane, and when you get done using it, you have to plug it into the
cigarette lighter, because it runs on electricity.
The Deliverator never pulled that gun in anger, or in fear. He pulled it once in
Gila Highlands. Some punks in Gila Highlands, a fancy Burbclave, wanted
themselves a delivery, and they didn't want to pay for it. Thought they would
impress the Deliverator with a baseball bat. The Deliverator took out his gun,
centered its laser doohickey on that poised Louisville Slugger, fired it. The
recoil was immense, as though the weapon had blown up in his hand. The middle
third of the baseball bat turned into a column of burning sawdust accelerating
in all directions like a bursting star. Punk ended up holding this bat handle
with milky smoke pouring out the end. Stupid look on his face. Didn't get
nothing but trouble from the Deliverator.
Since then the Deliverator has kept the gun in the glove compartment and relied,
instead, on a matched set of samurai swords, which have always been his weapon
of choice anyhow. The punks in Gila Highlands weren't afraid of the gun, so the
Deliverator was forced to use it. But swords need no demonstrations.
The Deliverator's car has enough potential energy packed into its batteries to
fire a pound of bacon into the Asteroid Belt. Unlike a bimbo box or a Burb
beater, the Deliverator's car unloads that power through gaping, gleaming,
polished sphincters. When the Deliverator puts the hammer down, shit happens.
You want to talk contact patches? Your car's tires have tiny contact patches,
talk to the asphalt in four places the size of your tongue. The Deliverator's
car has big sticky tires with contact patches the size of a fat lady's thighs.
The Deliverator is in touch with the road, starts like a bad day, stops on a
peseta.
Why is the Deliverator so equipped? Because people rely on him. He is a role
model. This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, you
got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have
guns and no one can fucking stop them. As a result, this country has one of the
worst economies in the world. When it gets down to it-talking trade balances
here-once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once
things have evened out, they're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in
Tadzhikistan and selling them here--once our edge in natural resources has been
made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North
Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel-once the Invisible Hand has taken
all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer
of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity-y'know what?
There's only four things we do better than anyone else
music
movies
microcode (software)
high-speed pizza delivery
The Deliverator used to make software. Still does, sometimes. But if life were a
mellow elementary school run by well-meaning education Ph.D.s, the Deliverator's
report card would say: "Hiro is so bright and creative but needs to work harder
on his cooperation skills."
So now he has this other job. No brightness or creativity involved-but no
cooperation either. Just a single principle: The Deliverator stands tall, your
pie in thirty minutes or you can have it free, shoot the driver, take his car,
file a class-action suit. The Deliverator has been working this job for six
months, a rich and lengthy tenure by his standards, and has never delivered a
pizza in more than twenty-one minutes.
Oh, they used to argue over times, many corporate driver-years lost to it:
homeowners, red-faced and sweaty with their own lies, stinking of Old Spice and
job-related stress, standing in their glowing yellow doorways brandishing their
Seikos and waving at the clock over the kitchen sink, I swear, can't you guys
tell time?
Didn't happen anymore. Pizza delivery is a major industry. A managed industry.
People went to CosaNostra Pizza University four years just to learn it. Came in
its doors unable to write an English sentence, from Abkhazia, Rwanda,
Guanajuato, South Jersey, and came out knowing more about pizza than a Bedouin
knows about sand. And they had studied this problem. Graphed the frequency of
doorway delivery-time disputes. Wired the early Deliverators to record, then
analyze, the debating tactics, the voice-stress histograms, the distinctive
grammatical structures employed by white middle-class Type A Burbclave occupants
who against all logic had decided that this was the place to take their personal
Custerian stand against all that was stale and deadening in their lives: they
were going to lie, or delude themselves, about the time of their phone call and
get themselves a free pizza; no, they deserved a free pizza along with their
life, liberty, and pursuit of whatever, it was fucking inalienable. Sent
psychologists out to these people's houses, gave them a free TV set to submit to
an anonymous interview, hooked them to polygraphs, studied their brain-waves as
they showed them choppy, inexplicable movies of porn queens and late-night car
crashes and Sammy Davis, Jr., put them in sweet-smelling, mauve-walled rooms and
asked them questions about Ethics so perplexing that even a Jesuit couldn't
respond without committing a venial sin.
The analysts at CosaNostra Pizza University concluded that it was just human
nature and you couldn't fix it, and so they went for a quick cheap technical
fix: smart boxes. The pizza box is a plastic carapace now, corrugated for
stiffness, a little LED readout glowing on the side, telling the Deliverator how
many trade imbalance-producing minutes have ticked away since the fateful phone
call. There are chips and stuff in there. The pizzas rest, a short stack of
them, in slots behind the Deliverator's head. Each pizza glides into a slot like
a circuit board into a computer, clicks into place as the smart box interfaces
with the onboard system of the Deliverator's car. The address of the caller has
already been inferred from his phone number and poured into the smart box's
built-in RAM. From there it is communicated to the car, which computes and
projects the optimal route on a heads-up display, a glowing colored map traced
out against the windshield so that the Deliverator does not even have to glance
down.
If the thirty-minute deadline expires, news of the disaster is flashed to
CosaNostra Pizza Headquarters and relayed from there to Uncle Enzo himself--the
Sicilian Colonel Sanders, the Andy Griffith of Bensonhurst, the straight
razor-swinging figment of many a Deliverator's nightmares, the Capo and prime
figurehead of CosaNostra Pizza, Incorporated-who will be on the phone to the
customer within five minutes, apologizing profusely. The next day, Uncle Enzo
will land on the customer's yard in a jet helicopter and apologize some more and
give him a free trip to Italy-all he has to do is sign a bunch of releases that
make him a public figure and spokesperson for CosaNostra Pizza and basically end
his private life as he knows it. He will come away from the whole thing feeling
that, somehow, he owes the Mafia a favor.
The Deliverator does not know for sure what happens to the driver in such cases,
but he has heard some rumors. Most pizza deliveries happen in the evening hours,
which Uncle Enzo considers to be his private time. And how would you feel if you
had to interrupt dinner with your family in order to call some obstreperous dork
in a Burbclave and grovel for a late fucking pizza? Uncle Enzo has not put in
fifty years serving his family and his country so that, at the age when most are
playing golf and bobbling their granddaughters, he can get out of the bathtub
dripping wet and lie down and kiss the feet of some sixteen-year-old skate punk
whose pepperoni was thirty-one minutes in coming. Oh, God. It makes the
Deliverator breathe a little shallower just to think of the idea.
But he wouldn't drive for CosaNostra Pizza any other way. You know why? Because
there's something about having your life on the line. It's like being a kamikaze
pilot. Your mind is clear. Other people--store clerks, burger flippers, software
engineers,  the whole vocabulary of meaningless jobs that make up Life in
America--there people just rely on plain old competition. Better flip your
burgers or debug your subroutines faster and better than your high school
classmate two blocks down the strip is flipping or debugging, because we're in
competition with those guys, and people notice these things.
What a fucking rat race that is. CosaNostra Pizza doesn't have any competition.
Competition goes against the Mafia ethic. You don't work harder because you're
competing against some identical operation down the street. You work harder
because everything is on the line. Your name, your honor, your family, your
life. Those burger flippers might have a better life expectancy-but what kind of
life is it anyway, you have to ask yourself. That's why nobody, not even the
Nipponese, can move pizzas faster than CosaNostra. The Deliverator is proud to
wear the uniform, proud to drive the car, proud to march up the front walks of
innumerable Burbclave homes, a grim vision in ninja black, a pizza on his
shoulder, red LED digits blazing proud numbers into the night: 12:32 or 15:15 or
the occasional 20:43.

 Provo a fare qualcosa nuova. ..
Provo a fare *qualcosa di nuovo* .... romanzo *di* fantascienza... di *uno*
scrittore... *i primi* due capitoli.
P.S. By the way, I need an American Literary Agent for my works (which have
already been translated into English by a mothertongue). Do you want to
represent me over there? Kisses.

 scrittore... *i primi* due capitoli.
Finalmente, un post utile da te. Grazie per le correzioni. Magari che tu smetta
i post sotto i soprannome Ondra Garge e tu provi a scrivere altri post utile
(senza infammare tutti).
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 (senza infammare tutti).
Che colpa ne ho se tutti si infiammano d'amore per me?
P.S. Che pizza quel capitolo sulla consegna delle pizze!


Ron, I hope you scanned that in because it didn't deserve to be typed twice.
A prime example of hack writing if there ever was.
Rick

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What is a 'hack writer', Rick ?
Thanks
Giorgio

 A prime example of hack writing if there ever was.
Rick, I'm afraid you haven't shown yourself to be a good judge of that.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 What is a 'hack writer', Rick ?
In case that's not a rhetorical question, a hack writer is someone who makes a
living at writing even though he has no talent at it. Our own Lucio Angellini
would fit that category if he actually made a living from it.
In actuality, as generally accepted in the world of literary criticism, Neal
Stephenson was a new proponent of a style of writing called "cyber punk." It got
a lot of attention when it first debuted. It certainly isn't grammatically
sophisticated, but then, it isn't supposed to be.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Stephenson was a new proponent of a style of writing called "cyber punk."
I have read Bruce Sterling and William Gibson, but I didn't like them very
much, the highly acclaimed 'Neuromancer' included.
But I realize now that I am sliding towards it.cultura.libri topics, so I
will stop here.
Ciao
Giorgio

 would fit that category if he actually made a living from it.
Stop worrying about money, Ronalda. I'm not in such a bad way, financially.
Prepare yourself  to our wedding day and be confident.

 Prepare yourself  to our wedding day and be confident.
What, me worry? No, Ondra, I've always known that you live off of someone else's
labor. I understand your psychology well, topo. How do you think I knew you were
posting as Ondra after only a few posts? I can recognize the defects in your
mind and its expression even though you can't even see it yourself.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 much, the highly acclaimed 'Neuromancer' included.
Well, that genre has a different set of standards--works can be interesting for
different reasons. In fact, I also prefer more fully-rounded literature. I was
just hoping to nudge up the dialog in this newsgroup a notch higher on an
English-related subject. I didn't feel like offering the usual informational
piece on grammer or idiomatic expressions. I think we've all gotten a bit
disinterested when i think of the more frequent interesting and informative
discussions we once enjoyed. Alas, Lucio Angellini may not have talent, but
persistence is more important than talent, and he has tended to discourage
intelligent dialog as people bend down to talk to him at his level. In the
future, when I have a bit more time, I'll try a few other posts that I hope may
stimulate interesting discussions of language here.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 posting as Ondra after only a few posts?
If I am Ondra, you must surely be Marilyn Monroe.
P.S. Now I know how to discover your real personality: by transferring to
you all your mental fabrications about me.

 
Puň darsi che Ondra sia tu, o puň darsi che non lo sia. Francamente, non č
una cosa che mi interessa tantissimo. 
Tuttavia, Lucio, se scegli di postare con vari e tanti nickname diversi
piů o meno casuali, piů o meno facilmente riconducibili alla tua persona,
devi accettare che tu possa essere occasionalmente confuso con altri
partecipanti "sospetti". E' un fatto naturale. E' un prezzo che devi
pagare. Pretendere che la gente sospenda il giudizio fin quando non
dispone di prove sufficienti per confermare o smentire una certa ipotesi č
ridicolo. Ammetto che anch'io ho pensato, leggendo distrattamente alcuni
interventi di Ondra, che egli potesse essere una delle tue tante
incarnazioni. Per un motivo, che non spiegherň, mi sono convinto che non
lo sia. Ma so che potrei sbagliarmi.
Prendere in giro Ron per il fatto che lo sospetta č quantomeno inutile. Il
suo sospetto č legittimo. Mi piacerebbe sapere se c'č una sola persona qui
che non l'abbia sospettato nemmeno per un momento. Uhm...
Max


By posting that piece of trash, you haven't either.
Since you mentioned raising the level of dialog a notch or two:
1) why would you say such a thing to me?
2) will you be posting examples of your own creative endeavors, not snippets of
movies, etc.?
3) is this ng open to me posting my own?  I suppose the four fair ladies of the
realm
should answer that one.
Rick

 Prendere in giro Ron per il fatto che lo sospetta č quantomeno inutile.
Prego, Ron NON sospetta. Ron č sempre CERTO delle proprie allucinazioni. Mi
rendo conto solo in ritardo (sai, sono un po' lento) che sta attribuendo a
me, in una sorta di interessante transfert psicanalitico, certi suoi lati
che lo inquietano e da cui č comprensibilmente spaventato. Il mio č il piano
dello scherzo, il suo ha qualcosa di sinistro, in my opinion. Ma ormai ho
promesso di sposarla e la sposerņ. :-)

 1) why would you say such a thing to me?
Because he hates all those who don't hate the ones he hates.

 2) will you be posting examples of your own creative endeavors, not snippets
of movies, etc.?
No, I will not. This isn't a creative writing class. And anyway, that would be a
busman's holiday for me.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

Ron...non ha scritto parola da libro quale lui ha..
Non e hacker writing !!!!
Di Fatto libro quale ha scritto...
non ha scritto lui e non ha libro..
POTETE "TUTTI" trovare LIBRO "snow crash"
in queste pagine !!
http://amber.zine.cz/AZOld/SF/snocra2.htm
http://www.schnits.org/Snow.txt
GUARDATE BENE...!!!!
Ron solamente ha ricopiato sito...
e voleva che voi credevatwe..lui usa suo libro in america e fa favore nel scrivere tutto..
GUARDATE SITI
 
http://amber.zine.cz/AZOld/SF/snocra2.htm
http://www.schnits.org/Snow.txt
LIBRO E TUTTO IN QUESTO SITI !!!
Lui solamente ha ricopiato..COME QUOTES DI FILMS
Lui ....MENTE...INGANNA !!!
Io capisco americani !!! 
Poso capire quando persona e di Texas o California..
Ron non e americano !!!
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 stimulate interesting discussions of language here.
Dear Ron,
you are on this ng since its foundation, so you should know that the quality
of discussion varies day by day. Alas, it is true that some of the most
stimulating contributors have disappeared (Raymot for one), but one day they
could be back. For what concerns that brat, I do not think he had an
influence on this. Most of the posters that are now rarely seen, are
experienced posters that make good use of their killfile.
Maybe it is our fault, we were so proud of the nice atmosphere in here, that
we forgot that in here stands all to individual perception. The observer
(i.e. his killfile) influences the measure.
I wait for your further stimulating posts, this one maybe contained too many
suggestions for a ng. Issues that come in big chunks are not easily
discussed in Usenet.
Ciao
Giorgio

 Maybe it is our fault, we were so proud of the nice atmosphere in here
Come dimenticare i bei giorni felici in cui vi inseguivate tra erbette e
fiori, armati di retino per le farfalle?
Nonna, a volte sei ridicola.

 non ha scritto lui e non ha libro..
Lucio, let me offer you a word of advice. It is extremely important that you
never reveal to _anyone_ that you are Ondra. Once people realize that I am able
to recognize your mind behind these writings, that will contribute to the
realization that my other perceptions about you are accurate.
Making this kind of obvious mistake in English comprehension is a good tactic.
But, be careful and don't slip up.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 But, be careful and don't slip up.
Quoto (e ribadisco) la mia risposta di ieri a Max:
"Ron NON sospetta. Ron è sempre CERTO delle proprie allucinazioni. Mi
rendo conto solo in ritardo (sai, sono un po' lento) che sta attribuendo a
me, in una sorta di interessante transfert psicanalitico, certi suoi lati
che lo inquietano e da cui è comprensibilmente spaventato. Il mio è il piano
dello scherzo, il suo ha qualcosa di sinistro, in my opinion. Ma ormai ho
promesso di sposarla e la sposerò. :-)"
Baci.

GUARDATE BENE...!!!!
Ron solamente ha ricopiato sito...
e voleva che voi credevatwe..lui usa suo libro in america e fa favore nel scrivere tutto..
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http://amber.zine.cz/AZOld/SF/snocra2.htm
http://www.schnits.org/Snow.txt
LIBRO E TUTTO IN QUESTO SITI !!!
Lui solamente ha ricopiato..COME QUOTES DI FILMS
HA INGANATO VOI !!!
LIBRO : SNOW CRASH
E DENTRO INTERNET...TUTTO POSSONO LEGERE QUESTO....
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 GUARDATE BENE...!!!!
Ciao Lucio Angellini, il nostro troll per sempre (che usa molti soprannomi,
anche Ow Ouch, Truman, Flash Harry, Cock A Doodle Do, Mario Ritornello, Noblesse
O'Blige, Deborah, Ron Ron, and alcuni altri).
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Ciao Lucio Angellini, il nostro troll per sempre
Se ti rasserena pensare che Ondra Garge sia io, va bene cosě. Preferisco
saperti tranquilla. Ma Angelini con una sola 'l' (= "piccoli angeli"),
please.


Hi Ron, that was  a useful piece of information you gave me; I was just wondering how
many  false identities that useless individual is using, so that I don't have to waste my time
reading his posts. 
As for the Snow Crash excerpt, I found it quite convoluted, overworked and definitely brain 
damaged, but that is just my personal opinion. What it was exactly that made you think it worth
posting that? Just curious.

 many  false identities that useless individual is using
Unfortunately, the *useful* piece of information is the outcome of a state
of delirium. As for 'that useless individual', well, I'm really sorry I
can't HELP you: you are a desperate case.

 exactly that made you think it worth posting that? Just curious.
Well, it's an example of a relatively modern genre, Cyber Punk, a sub-genre of
science fiction. I thought it might stimulate some interesting discussion. It
certainly got noticed among the "Alternative Techno-Art" aficionados when it
was published. Personally, I find the raw quality interesting (for about 2
chapters), but I also like other raw types of expression in other Art forms,
too. I could have posted my favorite, Shakespeare, but everybody knows about
him. I was really looking for something different and relatively unknown on the
other side of the Atlantic. I also thought people might react to the "Italian"
allusions--perhaps even be a bit offended by them.
Convoluted, and overworked.... at least those are descriptive criticisms. With
brain-damaged, I think you're reaching for an empty bottle. In criticism, I
would say that it reads too close in tone to mid-20th century detective novels
to really seem unique. Maybe that's what you mean by convoluted and overworked.
On the plus side, I would say that the tone conveys the driving quality that the
author wants to create for the character and environment. But, that may already
be more than you wanted to think about this subject, ehh? ;-)
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Rick
Dear Rick,
This news group is indeed open to most any posting which is in some way
related to the English language and I am certain there would be no
objections to your posting a creative piece of your own should you so wish.
Whilst most Realmers are noble and kind at heart, be warned however that you
are opening yourself up to all manner of comments and opinions. That said,
one waits and hopes you will not be put off.
--
I remain, as always, ecc., ecc.,
Bambi
dtb


That may well be true, but I am not sure if that is a qualifying trait of cyberpunk; you
can find the same kind of atmosphere in many non sci-fi or punk comics. Don't misunderstand 
me, I love good comics.

 or punk comics. Don't misunderstand me, I love good comics.
I didn't mean to say that the driving quality to the writing is limited to Cyber
Punk, but rather that the style and tone of a work should support the
characterization and mood to be conveyed. I think that the dark, chaotic, and
frenzied world created in the work is supported by the writing style. Of course,
it's hard to tell with just a few pages. In regard to your other comments, my
most pronounced reaction is surprise that you seem to take literally such things
as the Mafia Pizza conglomerate, as if it were a projection into a proposed
reality. This and some of the other details that you mention are meant to be
satyrical. I believe that the absurdity is intentional. You are meant to smile
wryly while you read it.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 him".
Lucio Angelini, "Tre raconti dalle commedie fantastiche di Shakespeare",
Narrativa Scuola, Loescher editore.

wryly while you read it.
Of course, and I did!

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Uhm... come si dice in inglese "paranoia"?
P.

 allusions--perhaps even be a bit offended by them.
I suspected something like this, you have developed quite an attitude to
probe the ng with stimuli.
The absence of reactions can be explained, IMHO, with the fact that Italians
no longer are touched by malicious allusions to Cosa Nostra, pizza and so
on.
There has been an overexposition in last years. I remember  the Banarama
clip 'Robert De Niro is waiting' that depicted the actor has a glamorous
Mafia man, that finally turned to be a simple pizza deliverer. Then there
was that cartload of movies about the godfather, the goodfellas, Mafia
shrinks, blue-eyed mickeys and ghost dogs. Nowadays, Cosa Nostra represents
more a genre than cyber punk.
In Italy, we just got used to such stereotypes, and maybe we feel that now
they are part of the big american picture, while we see little or no
association with the Stivale.
In other words, Mafia pizza deliverers are Americans to us. Italians are
sufficiently offended by their own Mafia bomb deliverers.
On a lighter side, I was more intrigued by the statement about the four
things that Americans do better than anyone in the world, a statement that
didn't seem to me ironic in any way. While movies and music in particular
could be the field of harsh discussions, I find very funny the point about
software making, if I just think of Microsoft.
It is true, as observed by journalist Beppe Severgnini, that Americans do
not cultivate understatement, and if they are good at something, they will
let you know. But also, the meaning of good sometimes changes just flying
across the ocean.
Ciao
Giorgio

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RON NON E AMERICANO !!!! NON CONOSCE NIENTE DI U.S. !!!
Non capisco per che voi baciate suo culo....
E vostro CAPO ??!!!!???
Quanto pietosi siete !!!!
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 across the ocean.
I believe this observation strikes a point. I would add that, while there
are a few things Americans are quite adept at, what we should really
try to learn from them this side of the pond is how to sell products, or,
to put it more bluntly, 'hype' them more convincingly. Sadly enough, the
ways of modern economy are such that quality alone is hardly a key to
commercial success. What undoubtedly stands to America's credit is an
efficient use of marketing strategies, which would sometimes seem to take
precedence over quality itself. That's just my impression.
Ciao
Matteo B.

experienced posters that make good use of their killfile.
Dear Giorgio,
Seeing that you use Microsoft Outlook Express (I've messed up the
configuration of my Microsoft Outlook Newsreader and now can only use it
for reading, not for posting) I wonder if you can help me solve a problem
that's been on my mind for some time.
I have figured out early on how to
block a sender (Message, Block Sender..., Yes) but I still do not know how
to block messages that quote from and respond to a blocked sender's
messages. Such function would really help me in the present time when there
is so much owching going on even after having blocked the particular sender
in his various incarnations.
Microsoft Outlook Newsreader probably being
very similar, if not identical, to the newsreader of Microsoft Outlook
Express I hope that you can guide me through the steps of configuering the
above function.
Thans in advance.
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 GUARDATE SITI
Sì, sì...
Adesso li guardiamo, dai.
Ma tu prenditi una pillolina, tranquillizzati e realizza che sei stato
killato da parecchia gente qui dentro.
Quand'è che te ne torni nel Maine?
Chissà come ti trovi male qui in Italia.
Dove sei in Italia? Al sud, al centro, al nord, al nord est?
E cosa pensi della ipotesi di Lucignolo che crede tu sia italiano?
saluti,
Peltio

 Xakero
I am afraid I can't help you. I merely block messages on the basis of the
sender address. The message rules do not allow for scanning the posts
searching for undesired address.
I understand your desire for a tidier ng, but personally I would not block
any Peltio or Ron messages just because they are arguing with some trolls.
Maybe you can ask them to insert [Trollhunting] in the object. In that case
it would be possible to filter the unwanted messages.
In any case, I am not a guru in the field of newsreaders. Maybe someone else
knows the right way or can indicate you a newsreader that is more flexible
in filtering messages.
Ciao
Giorgio

 Of course, and I did!
But I gotta admit, I smiled more 8 years ago when I first read it.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Uhm... come si dice in inglese "paranoia"?
Si dice "paranoia" anche in inglese. Ma questa non è la paranoia. È la tattica
futile di creare un'azione diversiva.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 That said, one waits and hopes you will not be put off.
Thank you.  I'm still considering the matter.
Rick

 across the ocean.
These kind of generalizations of cultural qualities are fun to think about but
are seldom reliable. We have such a mix of cultures here. And when I travel, I
find such a mix of personalities within cultures. I have come to the conclusion
that personality trumps culture and gender. Those aspects just guide the form of
expression. Would you like to meet a Japanese woman who lets you know exactly
what she thinks? Or perhaps a farmer from the rural US who mildly expresses
himself with understated humility?
Regarding software, I believe the item was just that--software--not software
making. Who do you think owns the means of production nowadays? It's Uncle Bill
of CosaNostra Micro. ;-)
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 precedence over quality itself. That's just my impression.
Does that mean that the ways of the old economy were that quality was the key to
commercial success? I think "hype" has always been a key part of the social
matrix. The modern economy has just made the means faster and more efficient--to
such an extent that the "revolution" has been institutionalized into our Art. If
Art is a reflection of culture then we are well reflected by Art that depends
more on the explanation of the concept than on the experiential effect.
The standard line that you hear here is that innovation is what drives the
success of the US--the ability to think "outside of the box." That may be
self-serving--my position would be that an economist would be able to give you
better answers than a sociologist. In any case, whether the people who dig the
coal, build the skyscrapers, or enter the keystrokes are Italian, Chinese, or
Indian, has never been an issue to a culture that historically drives its
economy on assimilation.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 to put it more bluntly, 'hype' them more convincingly.
We have been so overexposed to hype, I think advertisers are moving on to more
sophisticated approaches now, especially in their use of humor.  The products
are moving
into the background in many cases, and the advertisers are trying first to
create in the
viewer an overall good feeling.  They then hope that will be transferred to
their product,
often not saying anything about the product at all.  I watch a lot more
commercials now
because of this, whereas, before, I had the zapper in hand ready for the first
sign of a
commercial break.  This applies to TV, naturally.
I would say skip the hype stage.
Rick

SEMPLICE ESISTONO DUE LINGUE !!!!!!!!!!
Business english....
INGLESE QUALE VOI CONOSCETE..
semplice..povero..senza colori..
POI....
ESISTE VERO INGLESE 
( americano : VT - MA - ME -et cet)
Australia , canada .....et cet...
Questo inglese e diverso..
colorato , dificile , ricco..
QUESTO E INGLESE QUALE VOI NON CONOSCIETE...
I Maine ( come esempio ) esistono frase...
quale non serve PARTICELA ...
Voi dite sempre : Do you like this movie ???
e pensate diverso e ERRORE.... 
invece Maine e detto..
You like this movie ????
oppure..
voi dite : Do you want to dance ??
In Maine e : Wanna dance ??? senza ( DO YOU )
anche verbi...
This my child , you my friend , You okay ???
SENZA VERBO...
ancora diferenze....
Voi dite ...ONE CAN SEE THE SEA....
ma er verita e : 
YOU CAN SEE THE SEE...oppure WE CAN SEE THE SEE..
----
esistono tnte tante...
ADESO NON PENSO QUALI SONO...MA QUANDO RICORDO...scrivo
forse voi potete chiedere...
A ME se pensate cosa e sbagliato o giusto..
IO POSSO CHIEDERE CON VOI...
forse....
potete non credere in ME...
ma per voi meglio e se avete DUE PUNTI DI VISTA !!!
Vostro inglese...E TROPPO DI UFFICIO E COMERCIO !!!
Anche se Guardate ( B&B ) [ Beautiful and bold ]
potete avere aiuto per fare vostro inglese...
dienta inglese per PARLARE , RIDERE , vero inglese..
VOSTRO E ..inglese di ufficio...e scuola..
NON DOVETE USARE SEMPRE 
myself , yourself , ...
e dite it's you're yer , it isn't 
NON DITE ..it is , you are , it is not..
BAMBINI DI ASILO SONO PIU LARGHI...persino
e dite anche ain't , dunno , shuttup , outta...
NON DOVETE ESERE RIGIDI !!!!
E bruto...doete avere inglese piu amichevole...
ADESSO CONOSCIETE INGLESE...
ora dovete rendere lingua NON FORMALE!!!!
paarlate insieme amici...e SIETE FORMALI...come nesuno.
Bambini dicono I GOTTA PEE...
anche se sono maestro..
e sono supposti di esere formali con me ...
ADESO AVETE DUE PUNTI DI VISTA....
INGLESE FORMALE DI RON...
e libri copiati da WEB...
O CREDERE CHE VOSTRO INGLESE ...
DEVE DIVENTARE PIU AMICHEVOLE.....
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 DEVE DIVENTARE PIU AMICHEVOLE.....
Ahhhh, Lucio Angelinni, vedo che sei d'accordo con me che la tua tattica
d'azione diversiva (dire che io non sono americano) non funziona. Adesso, dici
che parlo troppo corretto (a causa di troppo del caffè corretto?). Beh, non lo
so, non mi sembra come una tattica buona. Ma, provala! Chissà?
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Maybe you can ask them to insert [Trollhunting] in the object.
Ok, let's make it [Topo Gigio].
saluti,
Peltio

efficient use of marketing strategies...
May be also a good use of Echelon? :)


That is an interesting observation indeed. I noticed that too, and I just would like to see people
react in some other way than just gobbling up all that shit. I find that style of commercials
utterly disgusting. 

 filtering messages.
I don't use Outlook Express but maybe  it has a 'text' or 'main' or
'body' as a search field for the killfiles. When quoted most replies
mention the email address or name of previous sender at the top of
the text field. This method will slow down downloading but should
work. However I notice my email does this, but not my newsreader, so
it might not be an option.
Cheers,
Loki

 viewer an overall good feeling.
I must have chosen the wrong word.
What I meant to say is that Americans seem to have worked out
more effective ways to appeal to people's needs/fancies in general
- isn't that what advertising is all about? I do think that people are
not always so naive as to 'believe the hype', but the aim behind the
subtler advertising techniques is exactly the same as 'hype'. So I
would say they're just different paths, but they're supposed to lead
to the same goal.
Ciao
Matteo B.

 economy on assimilation.
Do you believe in the melting-pot myth?
Ciao
Matteo B.

 Do you believe in the melting-pot myth?
I believe in the assimilation fact.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Damn! Then what am I gunna do with all these tulip bulbs!
Remember to remove your Dutch cap before planting them.
Ciao
Matteo B.

 Remember to remove your Dutch cap before planting them.
Matteo you disappoint me. You think otherwise they won't germinate? I don't
think it works that way, botanically speaking. Anyway, a Dutch cap would be
kinda wobbly on me.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 cap would be kinda wobbly on me.
Ron, how I regret disappointing you, but botanically speaking
Holland is the leading country as far as tulip-growing is
concerned (I'm sure you know that). Or maybe I was just
speaking *double* Dutch?
Saluti floreali
Matteo B.

 himself with understated humility?
Wait a minute, aren't you generalizing here? :-)
You mean there are no "humble" farmers in the rural US, and no straightforward
Japanese women in the whole world?
(BTW, yes, I'd like to meet such people... It would be an interesting
experience and it would fortify my conscience against prejudice, which is a
slightly different thing from "generalization" (= the only means we have to
*define* a culture, a people, a nation. The words "American" and "Italian"
have a meaning because of generalizations, don't they?)
--
Ciao
Anna

 Japanese women in the whole world?
Oops, was I so unclear? Intendevo dire la cosa opposta. Ho già incontrato quelle
due persone. Quando ho detto che "personality trumps culture and gender" ha
voluto dire che l'individio è piu importante che la cultura o la genere per
decidere gli attributi della personalità. "Trump" è un verbo usato nel gioco di
carte "bridge" per il colore il piu forte. Ma questa è la mia filosofia
personale e forse non una buona argumento per il newsgroup.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 speaking *double* Dutch?
Mi dispiace, Matteo, scherzo e penso che ci fosse un malinteso. When I wrote
about "tulip bulbs" it was a historical reference to "tulipmania," the 17th
century event in Holland in which the "hype" surrounding the value of certain
tulip bulbs created a market rise and fall that makes our current internet IPO
(Initial Public Offering) stock market fiasco look tame in comparison. When you
replied that I should remove my Dutch cap before planting them, I thought that
you were acknowledging the reference (since I did not mention Holland) but
teasing me somewhat rudely (because of the double-meaning of "Dutch cap"). Now,
I think that you may have really been talking about headwear and not . . . hmm,
I wonder if you don't know about the alternate meaning of "Dutch cap?"
Ciao,
Ron
USA

> across the ocean.
This is what you answered:
°° These kind of generalizations of cultural qualities are fun to think about
°° but are seldom reliable.
And I agree here too; I just wanted to underline the fact that generalizations
are necessary (and convenient) to formulate definitions. But I believe Giorgio
knows there is a difference between "Americans" in general and "Ron", for
example. If you say "Italians are noisy" I find the generalization acceptable
because I have often noticed this trait in Italians abroad; but we both
understand that Italians are not *all* noisy, unless we are prejudiced against
them (= we don't recognize the generalization for what it is).
Sorry for being so obvious! :-)
--
Ciao
Anna

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Well I sure don't know about it...
-- 
Dale Erwin
http://home.earthlink.net/~erwintech

 example. If you say "Italians are noisy" I find the generalization acceptable
Some people make their livings by teaching others about these generalizations. I
didn't think Giorgio was talking about me, and if he were, I wouldn't have
considered it necessarily pointing out a bad trait. And of course I agree that
some generalizations are useful in certain situations. I just like to give my
speech about cultural and gender differences now and then.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 my speech about cultural and gender differences now and then.
"Americans... They always want the final word!"
;-)
--
Ciao
Anna

 Wait a minute, aren't you generalizing here? :-)  [snip]
A ditty my father used to say to me:
All generalisations are false...
Including this one. :-)
Cheers,
Loki
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 utterly disgusting.
I think its an evolved form of the European fragrance commercial.  Or are those all dreamed up
in NY too?
Rick

 I wonder if you don't know about the alternate meaning of "Dutch cap?"
Ahem, I do know about both meanings, and I agree that the
pun may have sounded like a rather uncomplimentary piece
of teasing, but your reference to tulip bulbs was a downright
incitement to poke fun! ;-)
Ciao
Matteo B.

 incitement to poke fun! ;-)
You're welcome to do so and I'll exercise restraint when I tease you in return,
in the future.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 "Americans... They always want the final word!"
But, but, but . . .  :-|
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Well I sure don't know about it...
Let's just say that when a woman wears it, in the most intimate sense, it should
prevent her from unwanted cultivation.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 speech about cultural and gender differences now and then.
A me lo dici ? :-))
Ciao
Giorgio

 in the future.
Oh please don't, Ron! I love it when you let your erudite sense
of humour run riot! It perfectly combines 'l'utile col dilettevole',
as we say here.
Yours unrestrainedly
Matteo

 But, but, but . . .  :-|
"Ifs and buts don't make history".
(proverbio cinese diffuso tra i cultori di storia dell'economia
moderna)
Ciao
Matteo

 as we say here.
Ma che, me stai a corteggià Ronarda mia? Guarda che te faccio du occhi così,
capito? Io e lei ce dovèmo da sposà a ferragosto e tu nun te devi da
permette de fa er galletto con lei. Le fusa co Ronarda Sfusa le posso fa
solo io, sia chiaro. Omo avvisato, mezzo sarvato.

 an armoured knight of your standing.
Armored knight? Non hai indovinato bene la mia natura vera, Matteo. Preferisco
passare un notte d'amore piuttosto che essere un knight of armor.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Ma che, me stai a corteggià Ronarda mia?
Our Lady of Milk forbid.
Ciao
Matteo B.

 Preferisco passare un notte d'amore piuttosto che essere un knight of
armor.
Ma le due cose non sono affatto incompatibili!
Anzi, a sentire il poeta, si direbbe proprio il contrario.
[Cfr. "Le donne, i *cavallier*, l'arme, gli *amori*,
le cortesie, l'audaci imprese io canto"
L. Ariosto, Orlando furioso, I, 1-2]
Ciao
Matteo B.

 passare un notte d'amore piuttosto che essere un knight of armor.
complimenti!

 le cortesie, l'audaci imprese io canto"
amor cortese... 'un trombano!!!!! ;)

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Sei il solito blagueur. Tič, ciapa e porta a casa :-)
Fra l'una e l'altra gamba di Fiammetta,
che supina giacea, diritto venne;
e quando le fu a par, l'abbracciň stretta,
e sopra lei sin presso al dě si tenne.
Cavalcň forte, e non andň a staffetta;
che mai bestia mutar non gli convenne:
che questa pare a lui che sě ben trotte,
che scender non ne vuol per tutta notte.
(Ariosto 'Orlando furioso' 28, 64)
Ciao
Giorgio

 (Ariosto 'Orlando furioso' 28, 64)
Ehm, non vorrei apparire eccessivamente fuori tema... ma, come si dice a
milano, "se la va la g'haa i gamb"...
Mettimi un dito in cul, caro vecchione,
e spinge il cazzo dentro a poco a poco;
alza ben questa gamba a far buon gioco,
poi mena senza far reputazione.
 
Che, per mia fé! quest'è il miglior boccone
che mangiar il pan unto appresso al foco;
e s'in potta ti spiace, muta luoco,
ch'uomo non è chi non è buggiarone.
 
- In potta io v'el farò per questa fiata,
in cul quest'altra, e in potta e in culo il cazzo
mi farà lieto, e voi farà beata.
 
E chi vuol essre gran maestro è pazzo
ch'è proprio un uccel perde giornata,
chi d'altro che di fotter ha sollazzo.
 
E crepi in un palazzo,
ser cortigiano, e spetti ch'il tal muoja:
ch'io per me spero sol trarmi la foja.
(Pietro Aretino "I sonetti lussuriosi, I,II)
P.
-- 
Femina è cosa garrula e fallace (TASSO G. L. XIX, 84)
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 passare un notte d'amore
Bottàna! Bottàna!

 (Ariosto 'Orlando furioso' 28, 64)
io questa a scuola non lo studiata giuro! ;)
[BTW e con l'aretino e' troooopo facile Paolo ;)]

 [BTW e con l'aretino e' troooopo facile Paolo ;)]
Vero. Suppongo che la pertinenza risiedesse nell'ultima strofa, che peraltro
mi sembra rivolta più a Baldassarre Castiglione che ad Ariosto.
Comunque, Andrea Cappellano, il codificatore dell'amor cortese, nel XII
secolo, considerava accettabile per il cavaliere anche l'amor mixtus qui in
extremo opere Veneris terminatur (in tua lingua 'trombare').
Ciao
Giorgio

 (Ariosto 'Orlando furioso' 28, 64)
Ricordatevi che tutto è partito dai bulbi dei tulipani.
"Angelica a Medor la prima rosa
coglier lasciò, non ancor tocca inante:
né persona fu mai sì aventurosa,
ch'in quel giardin potesse por le piante."
[L. Ariosto, Orlando furioso, 19, 33]
Ciao
Matteo B.

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hmmmmm...  guess I must be a little dense...  or maybe too old to remember
what one means by "in the most intimate sense..."
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 what one means by "in the most intimate sense..."
The Dutch cap is also known a diaphragm. It is a flexible plastic "cap-shaped"
contraception device that is placed over the cervix as a barrier to prevent
pregnancy.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 pregnancy.
Scusa l'indiscrezione: hai mai abortito, Ronalda?