Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Chiedere una sigaretta.

Ciao,
come si chiede una sigaretta in inglese ? Vi faccio questa domanda perchč
varie volte mi hanno chiesto (a Londra)una sigarette cosě:
"Have you got a s... cigarette ?
Perň non riesco a afferrare la s..
Grazie Mauro
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 Perň non riesco a afferrare la s..
"spare".
Max

 Max
grazie, mi confermi quello che pensavo.
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 Mauro
Nota bene che in Inghilterra le sigarette costano quasi 7 euro il
pacchetto. Si tu me ne avessi chieso una, ti avrei detto: "Certo: hai
40 centesimi? Se non, va' mendicare altrove."
Non, ripeto, non e' normale chiedere una sigaretta da un qualsiasi alla
strada in GB. Ho fatica a spiegarlo al mio figliolo, nato in Italia, ma
e' sicuramente vero.
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 e' sicuramente vero.
In Italia è normale?
Ciao, FB
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 In Italia č normale?
Sě.
-- 
Mary

 In Italia č normale?
beh si.
-- 
Yeah, whatever...

In Italia è normale?
In the street? Not so common, not uncommon either. 
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 In the street? Not so common, not uncommon either.
so it depends from region to region, here in the streets of Taranto
we're plenty of young hellions who beg for a fag.
-- 
Yeah, whatever...

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Anyway, asking for a spare cigarette to your table neighbour in a pub or
restaurant would seem less hellionish :)
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What's a hellion?
-- 
Mary

restaurant would seem less hellionish :)
I'll rephrase:
Anyway, asking for a spare cigarette your table neighbour in a pub or
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 restaurant would seem less hellionish :)
In my opinion it's worse, when I eat (out in a restaurant) I never want to
be bothered by anyone :)
-- 
Yeah, whatever...

 
No: "asking your neighbour... for a spare cigarette..."
-- 
Mary

 What's a hellion?
just a troublesome person.
-- 
Yeah, whatever...

 just a troublesome person.
But where does the word come from? I've never herd it before.
 
-- 
Mary

No: "asking your neighbour... for a spare cigarette..."
Thanks! 
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Picchi says
  hellion
n C (coll, spec US) persona turbolenta o losca; bambino dispettoso,
birbante. 
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In my view, people shouldn't smoke cigarettes at all ;-)
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 But where does the word come from? I've never herd it before.
I'm not an etymologist so I'll look it up on 
dictionary.com
.
hellion:
[Probably alteration (influenced by hell), of dialectal hallion, worthless
person.]
mmm... it's a synonym of heller ( I didn't know what heller meant actually)
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Yeah, whatever...

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Then that's a job for Encarta ;)
[Mid-19th century. Origin uncertain; probably an alteration, influenced by
hell, of Scots and northern English dialect hallion  "idler."] 
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I've never herd it before.
Whoops :)

 In my view, people shouldn't smoke cigarettes at all ;-)
in my view, people shouldn't smoke *anything* at all :)
I happened to smoke a cigarette only when I drank too much :)
(last saturday -_-;)
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Yeah, whatever...

 Whoops :)
I've never flock it instead :)
-- 
Yeah, whatever...


wrote:
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That's how it starts.

 That's how it starts.
that's how it never started :)
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Yeah, whatever...

(last saturday -_-;)
That's what they call Saturday night fever! ;-)
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 In my view, people shouldn't smoke cigarettes at all ;-)
What should they smoke?
Bye, FB
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that's how it never started :)
<G> I'm glad you didn't like it.

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:58:14 GMT, jonny wrote:
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So you, too, take delight in pointing out Mary's mistakes. (smiling face)
Bye, FB
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That was just a sheep of the pen  ;->
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That *can* be annoying.
Bye, FB
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Risposta: "Thor".
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What should they smoke?
Salmon, at most.
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 That's what they call Saturday night fever! ;-)
I had fun in Lecce, another city of Apulia :)
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Yeah, whatever...

 Salmon, at most.
Preposterous!
Bye, FB
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acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

 <G> I'm glad you didn't like it.
I'm glad too, it's one of the most harmful vices.
-- 
Yeah, whatever...

Preposterous!
Here's how
http://www.pagewise.com/how-to-smoke-salmon.htm
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 birbante.
It certainly isn't used in modern BrE - I wonder if it's used in the
States?
-- 
Mary

 So you, too, take delight in pointing out Mary's mistakes. (smiling face)
Ooh, you are a mean lot!
-- 
Mary

 That *can* be annoying.
P.S. By the way, Joey, add to the list Dennis Price and Stephen Fry (90%
gay, 10% other", according to her friend Emma Thompson, 
www.imbd.com
).
Watch out!
Bye, FB
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Richard: "Only prostitutes have two glasses of wine at lunch!"
(Gilmore Girls, 501)

 That *can* be annoying.
or what about those ones who always ask "checcell'hai 'no spicciolino?"
I hate those screwups the most.
-- 
Yeah, whatever...

 
http://www.pagewise.com/how-to-smoke-salmon.htm
Where does one have to inhale from? You needn't answer.
Bye, FB
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(Cold Comfort Farm, the film)

 I hate those screwups the most.
I must go to Taranto!
Bye, FB
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"It's going to be such fun!"
"No, it's going to be amusing or diverting, not such fun, darling."
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 But where does the word come from? I've never herd it before.
Westerns. "The Sheriff oughta run them Circle-8 hellions right outa
town."
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 I must go to Taranto!
fortunately enough there're kind people over here... like me :D
-- 
Yeah, whatever...

 e' sicuramente vero.
Vivo a Londra da qualche mese e so bene quanto costano. E' vero che non è
molto frequente soprattutto in strada. Una cosa che mi ha colpito è che
alcuni chiedono la sigaretta con un pound in mano in cambio.
Io non ha mai accettato...
Mauro 
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 Io non ha mai accettato...
I'm definitely thinking about making a living as a spare cigarettes seller
in London.
lol
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"A cigarette is the perfect type of a perfect pleasure.  It is
exquisite, and it leaves one unsatisfied.  What more can you want?"
(O. Wilde)
too bad it's unhealthy and expensive. I confess I'd surely smoke regularly
if this wasn't the case...

 if this wasn't the case...
"If this weren't the case", pe' esse' prescisi.
Ciao, FB
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 Cancer?
I was musing that maybe it's the very awareness of doing something not
quite wise and correct that makes it interesting. For my part, it's just
disgusting, but if I smoked, I'd smoke cigars, not cigarettes. Cigarettes
are for beautiful ladies, like Mary.
Bye, FB
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 are for beautiful ladies, like Mary.
Hmm. There's a veiled insult in there somewhere, I'm sure...
-- 
Mary

Cancer?
Potential risks of burning the house?
Smell of smoke on your clothes?
Possibly higher life-insurance rates?
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There's not! Well, I did consider adding a note: "Mary [1] who has just
cracked her monitor with her head and slumped to the ground, crying out
this insane statement: <<Boia fauss, alla faccia dell'undershtatement!>>".
Bye, FB
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 Potential risks of burning the house?
I'd have said "burning the house down"
is it correct?
I hate the bad smell of smoke on clothes too but I gather it's better than
sweat stench :)
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Yeah, whatever...

is it correct?
I guess you are right, "burn the house down" is probably more common, I
think.
But firemen might put the fire out before the house is burnt to a cinder :)
"The first chimney fire may not burn the house, but it might do enough
damage that the second chimney fire could burn the house down. "
http://www.ecofire.com/fireman.html
p.s. It has nothing to do with cigarettes, but I must tell you that I hate
the caps-lock ley on computer keyboards. I PRESS IT BY ACCIDENT ALL THE
TIME!  :-(
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 TIME!  :-(
How come can you accidentally press the caps-lock key? :)
I don't watch the keyboard while writing, so I can make typos but I never
happen to press it, right now I should use my pinkie to enable it (and I
rarely use my pinkie to type) :)
-- 
Yeah, whatever...

But firemen might put the fire out before the house is burnt to a cinder :)
Or "to the ground".
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 donne")
If you can smoke salmon, I guess you can also smoke women.
Bye, FB
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"Che cos'è un fallo da tergo? E non stiamo parlando della tua vita
privata."
(Intervista della Gialappa's Band a Elisabetta Canalis)

 for beautiful ladies, like Mary.
Women were used to smoke with a very long cigarette-holder 
and a bored mien.
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Today no, tomorrow yes.

 If you can smoke salmon, I guess you can also smoke women.
Spediscimi *instanter* una nuova tastiera.
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 abituate ad essere affumicate/fumate").
this slight change of topic gives me the chills, it makes me picture people
smoking ashes... (FB please don't say ashes are to be snorted or you'll
have to buy two new keyboards, lol)
-- 
yeah, whatever...

 and a bored mien.
Women *used to smoke".
-- 
Mary

 donne")
No, sarebbe "women used to be smoked".
"Women were used to being smoked" significherebbe "le donne erano
abituate ad essere affumicate/fumate").
-- 
Mary

 Women *used to smoke".
Spero che il significato della mia frase errata non sia 
troppo alterato.
"Women were used to be smoked" è corretta?
(anche se assurda, qui vorrei significare "si fumavano 
donne")
 
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 donne")
Come ha scritto Mary, "Women used to.."
NB: c'e' una difference nella pronuncia di "used to" negli  esempi
seguenti:
"Women were used to increase coal production"  iuzd:tu
"Women used to be treated as ladies:   iustu
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 If you can smoke salmon, I guess you can also smoke women.
*splutters*
-- 
yeah, whatever...

 "If this weren't the case", pe' esse' prescisi.
you know what? I had written "weren't the case" first but then I changed to
"wasn't" because I thought it was more in line with the current practice in
modern, colloquial English. Also, as a brief search with google will confirm
the the form with "wasn't" is more common (am I wrong?). But anyway I know
that you don't care about what is common :-)

 that you don't care about what is common :-)
yeah but more common is commoner than commoner and so on.. lol
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yeah, whatever...

 No, sarebbe "women used to be smoked".
Forse ho già raccontato questa storia vera:
Un medico arrivò a un grill party vestito di un t-shirt con la scena tipica 
della pubblicità della sigaretta CAMEL: sabbia, palma, camello. Sopra, il 
testo ugualmente tipico: "I'd walk a mile for a Camel"
Sotto: "...but most men prefer a woman"
-- 
Xakero
Speaking at the staff meeting, a pert and pretty female engineer named 
Renee told the male manager of the division, "I'd like to get something off 
my chest."
"What's that, Renee?"
"Your eyes."

Sotto: "...but most men prefer a woman"
BTW, today an unknown young woman asked me for a cigarette. In the street.
But she didn't look like a hellion at all. On the contrary... :)
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 But she didn't look like a hellion at all. On the contrary... :)
she was good looking.
what if an ugly man asked you for a cigarette? :)
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yeah, whatever...

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Come what may, still I don't smoke  (and I have no plans to :)