Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Visti da lontano

Dal Times di oggi:
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THURSDAY FEBRUARY 01 2001
Mussolini in TV catfight
FROM RICHARD OWEN IN ROME
MILLIONS of Italians will be tuning in to watch a television debate tonight on
sexual harassment and domestic violence that degenerated into a slanging match
between two prominent female politicians who had to be separated by their
host.
Alessandra Mussolini, 38, the granddaughter of Il Duce, and Katia Bellillo,
49, a Communist minister known for her enthusiasm for kick-boxing, began
arguing in their taped appearance for the discussion programme Porta a Porta
(Door to Door). They were discussing a controversial Italian court ruling that
it was not harassment for a boss to pat a female subordinate on the bottom.
In the past, they have campaigned together for women's rights. But in the
recording Signora Bellillo accused Signora Mussolini of not allowing her to
get a word in edgeways.
According to sources on the show, Signora Bellillo shouted: "Shut your mouth,
you who are called Mussolini, you have no right to talk." Signora Mussolini
replied: "Shut up, you're a Communist."
Signora Bellillo retorted: "Thank goodness your grandfather was defeated by
people like my father, who was a partisan." Signora Mussolini invited the
minister to "go and live in Cuba". Signora Bellillo then reportedly threw her
microphone at Signora Mussolini, who was said to have aimed a kick.
Signora Bellillo said: "I did not attack anyone. Nor did I throw the
microphone at her. I simply walked over and reminded her that my father, who
was a partisan at 18 and is now 74, had settled accounts with people of her
kind 50 years ago."
Signora Mussolini said that she had not kicked the minister but "drove her
away with the point of my shoe".
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Sigh
Anna

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Pare che la Mussolini, memore di tanto nonno, abbia anche bofonchiato: "Farò
di questo studio televisivo un bivacco per i miei manipoli".

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No need to pay... You'll be able to see the ladies (?) tonight on Rai1. Or in
any TG of
the day.
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Ciao
Anna

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 represented by over-embodied angry superwomen.
We can't stand it, but we watched it all the same, losing a precious hour of
good sleep... I wonder what's wrong with us!
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Ciao
Anna

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Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching
http://web.tiscalinet.it/alfabeto_auschwitz/

No, I'm not a politician, but of course I am interested in politics, like
everybody else I suppose.
It's our country, our world, why shouldn't we?
But I beg your pardon if I happened to talk too much and above all off
topic. Sincerely, I do.
I perfectly understood what you wanted to say when you posted that message,
and of course I agree with you.
But you know, there are things that.... well, they go off topic by
themselves.
What's the topic, that is the question...
Of course Ms. Belillo said something rude, but this is the point: is it
better to be polite or sincere (when both the things are not complementary)?
Ok, I shut up. I have already overstepped the FAQs, pardon, the rules... I
don't want to overstep the mark either!
I must apologize for having flown off the handle.
It won't happen anymore.
                     SINCERELY,
            The Lady formerly known as a bloody tyrant.

 compelling desire to kick the nephew myself.
 <Again it should be "granddaughter " since Bennie was her grandfather and
she is a woman .
    This can be proven by some really nice "girlies" she took part in , in
an early life.
Yours
Sal

 "Bennie"
How perfectly charming :-) 
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    > How perfectly charming :-)
Dear Salvatore,
I must say, this sounds even more charming.
    > This can be proven by some really nice "girlies" she took part in , in
    >an early life
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I remain, as always,
Bambi
dtb

             The Lady formerly known as a bloody tyrant.
BTW How does one say "Out out damn spot!" [woof] in italiano?
Cheers,
Loki
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Girlies? What do you mean?
Loki
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 Girlies? What do you mean?
<From "A concise dictionary of British Slang" compiled by B.A.Phythian:
Girlie mag :Magazine devoted to pictures of nude or provocatively posed
women.
Actually what I really meant was "nudie ".
Yours
Sal

 not the point...
It was Alessandra who aimed a kick at Katia (un calcio invece di una pacca
sul sedere). I may not be able to follow the language when six Italians are
all speaking at the same time, but I can follow the action. Thanks for the
referral, it was an interesting experience--although I don't even watch
Jerry Springer in the US.
The incredible thing from my perspective was that people are still debating
whether una pacca sulla culetta should be acceptable in the workplace. Maybe
the best we can hope for is to teach people how to live comfortably with
paradoxes, since hoping that they might develop the emotional sophistication
to understand them may be too optimistic.
Ciao,
Ron

 Sal
Ok  now I get it. I must admit, not having the 'mag' threw me.
 I wonder if this Pythian makes pithy comments as well.
chees,
Loki
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to understand them may be too optimistic.
I am so emotionally sophisticated as to firmly believe I can discern
between an amicable pat on my nether regions and "sexual harassment"
on my own, without the help of a judge, and I don't find that
paradoxical in the least.
Cheers,
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 paradoxical in the least.
Apparently, the plaintiff did not find it amicable, nor did she find
recourse with or without the help of a judge. So, you can return to work the
next day in gleeful anticipation of the next slap of affection while our
disappointed "donna delicata" can return to work, anticipating..... what?
You are right that we don't know the specifics of the case, and even in the
US harassment must be acute or repeated to involve serious penalties. I,
however, was commenting on the social controversy outside of the case which
still leaves me a bit of culture shock. Then again, the news of events and
popular attitudes in the US often leave me with the same feeling.
Ciao,
Ron

still leaves me a bit of culture shock. 
Yes, but my point was exactly that: it looks like, in this case, the
social controversy, fueled by the media that always have their own
agenda, was based on a patent fallacy-- namely that the High Court's
ruling would represent a general principle where, in fact, it
constitutes nothing of the sort. Also from a strict legal point of
view, if you will remember that in this country jurisprudence is not a
source of law, and any precedent does not constitute a principle of
any kind. 
Ciao,  
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