Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Lingua dei segni dei sordomuti

 in modo indipendente.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/it.cultura.linguistica.inglese/browse_frm/thread/b688f284f208d9d7/9a3e2b29cb7bb34f?tvc=1&hl=en#9a3e2b29cb7bb34f
Oggi ho letto, per caso, il seguente in una lettera alla redazione di "The 
Nation" in Thailandia:
QUOTE
The recent correspondence about language made me recall how intrigued I was 
many years ago watching a young, deaf Italian tourist engaged in an 
involved and energetic sign language “conversation” with a young, deaf, 
pretty Thai vendor girl. Meanwhile, his friends and her friends could only 
look on, being quite unable to communicate.
UNQUOTE
Source: 
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2005/08/23/letters/index.php?news=letters_18406921.html
Forse la conversazione era "energetica" proprio perché avevano difficoltà a 
farsi capire.
Con dei turisti sordomuti belgi, invece, mia moglie (né sorda né muta ma 
conoscendo la lingua dei segni insegnata in Thailandia) non aveva nessun 
problema (a parte del segno diverso per "sposata")
-- 
Xakero

 problema (a parte del segno diverso per "sposata")
Le lingue dei segni non sono internazionali, e a differenza di quanto spesso 
erroneamente creduto, sono lingue naturali, nate spontaneamente all'interno 
di comunità ove vi fosse una ragionevole presenza di persone sorde.
A differenza delle lingue parlare possono esprimere in modo iconico alcuni 
concetti e questo le rende, ma solo in minima parte, mutualmente 
intelligibili.
Da un punto di vista tipologico, ma gli studi di tipologia linguistica in 
questo ambito sono davvero recenti, quindi in fase ancora iniziale, mostrano 
una sostanziale affinità, probabilmente influenzata dalla modalità, 
condivisa da tutte le lingue segnate.
Saluti
Elle 

 Le lingue dei segni non sono internazionali
C'è una nuova lettera alla redazione di "The Nation" nella edizione di
domani che conferma la tua osservazione:
QUOTE
Sign language isn’t quite as universal as some think it is.
What a pleasure that someone noticed the all-too-forgotten deaf people in
Thailand (“Sign language silently bridges cultural divides”, Letters,
August 23). As a point of clarity: sign language is not universal; that is,
sign language from one county is not always readily understood by the deaf
in other countries (although deaf people are intelligent enough to make
each other understood).
The Italian and Thai deaf people that the writer witnessed could understand
one another because both Italian and Thai sign languages (and American to a
lesser extent) are based, somewhat, upon French Sign Language, the first
sign language to be widely recognised in the Western world.
UNQUOTE
Source:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2005/08/25/letters/index.php?news=letters_18427380.html
Quindi, la lingua dei segni ovviamente non è un Esperato, una lingua
franca, per i sordomuti del mondo.
-- 
Xakero

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There is a weekly television program on the French network France 5
(L'Oeil et la Main) [L'Orecchio e la mano] dedicated to the problems
of the deaf which is simultaneously translated into sign language. The
program is available on line in streaming video. I wonder if a person
who does not understand French, but who knows sign language, would be
able to follow the program?
They are on vacation right now (?), but archived programs are
available for viewing.
http://www.france5.fr/oeiletmain/
When I lived in the Washington, D.C. area, I knew many deaf people.
The deaf community in that area is one of the largest in the country,
because Gallaudet University, a University for the deaf and hearing
impaired, is located there. It was not uncommon to see someone
carrying on a converstation in sign language while driving an
automobile. At one time, before closed captioning became commonplace
on American television programs, students would watch television in
the Student Union building, where a hearing person who knew sign
language would interpret everything on the television screen.
http://www.gallaudet.edu/
Is closed-captioning for the hearing impaired standard practice in
Europe as it is in the United States?
«As of July 1993, the Commission has required that all analog
television sets with screens 13 inches or larger sold in the United
States contain built-in decoder circuitry that allows viewers to
display closed captions. Beginning July 1, 2002, the Commission also
required that digital television (DTV) receivers include closed
caption display capability. »
«All English language programming prepared or formatted for display on
analog television and first shown on or after January 1, 1998, as well
as programming prepared or formatted for display on digital television
that was first published or exhibited after July 1, 2002 ("digital
programming"), is considered "New Programming," and must be captioned
according to benchmarks set by the FCC.»
http://ftp.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/closedcaption.html
Joe from Massachusetts

 receivers include closed caption display capability. »
C'è qualcosa nel Televideo, pagina 777.
-- 
We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom
that is in it - and stay there, lest we be like the cat that
sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot
stove-lid again - and that is well; but also she will never sit
down on a cold one any more.
    -- Mark Twain