Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Re: Direct the perimeter


When police arrive at a crime scene, they set up a perimeter around the
location. In the phrase "directed the perimeter", perimeter is an adjective,
referring to the units and personnel forming the perimeter. "She 'directed
(gave instructions to) the perimeter (detail)' as she....."
I think it is unusual to use perimeter here without a noun.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ctEPFEO9HNoC&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=%22directed+the+perimeter%22&source=web&ots=qxZc5igiG7&sig=rnssP0fCv2h6bwWQPg-lJ6TVNtI
Joe from Massachusetts

 
http://books.google.com/books?id=ctEPFEO9HNoC&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=%22directed+the+perimeter%22&source=web&ots=qxZc5igiG7&sig=rnssP0fCv2h6bwWQPg-lJ6TVNtI
The perimeter is also a group of people.
When one says "I established a defens(iv)e perimeter", he means that he 
arranged a group of soldiers (or whatever) to form a perimeter.
Kiuhnm

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Grazie a entrambi, ora è chiarissimo :)
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Ciao,
Anna

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People may be charged with holding a perimeter, which is an arbitrary line,
but a perimeter is not a group of people in any dictionary. Personnel
charged with holding a perimeter may be considered perimeter personnel, but
they are not the perimeter. That is why the phrase "directed the perimeter"
is a poor choice of words, and why you will find only a few occurrences of
it on Google.
Joe from Massachusetts
Joe from Massachusetts

 they are not the perimeter.
"She directed the perimeter as she and B. began to make their way down 
the alley that cut behind the stores, weapons drawn."
Do the two "she" refer to the same person?
Kiuhnm

"Kiuhnm" <kiuhnm03_NO@SPAM_yahoo.it> wrote in message
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I would say they do.
Joe from Massachusetts

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I think the author is talking of a perimeter formation:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/90-5/Appj.htm
Perhaps further context could clarify the matter.
Kiuhnm

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Yes, 'she' is always Detective J.
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Ciao,
Anna

 Do the two "she" refer to the same person?
Si', l'agente donna che dirige le operazioni.
Io tradurrei semplicemente che la tipa "diede disposizioni alla squadra,
mentre lei e il socio si avviavano armi in pugno ecc.".

 it on Google.
<sigh>
Why must I always translate authors with 'a poor choice of words'?
:-))
Couldn't it be police jargon?
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Ciao,
Anna

 Cosa significa *directed the perimeter*? 
Diede disposizioni per recintare la zona di operazione

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How can she direct the construction of a perimeter *as* she advance down 
the alley, weapons drawn? It doesn't make much sense to me.
That's why I believe the perimeter is a secondary squad surrounding the 
first one, the former being led by J. and the latter by B.
Kiuhnm

 first one, the former being led by J. and the latter by B.
No, there is only one squad.
Io immagino la detective dare rapidi ordini alla squadra ("Tu qui, lui
là"...) mentre comincia ad avanzare down the alley. E' una scena vista
spesso nei film, l'uomo (la donna, in questo caso) d'azione non perde
tempo, la squadra è addestrata e ha soltanto bisogno di qualche cenno, non
occorre fermarsi. Così ho visualizzato la scena.
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Ciao,
Anna

 Diede disposizioni per recintare la zona di operazione
'recintare' proprio? Un recinto umano, intendi?
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Ciao,
Anna

 'recintare' proprio? Un recinto umano, intendi?
Recintare, delimitare la zona... non credo che l'espressione sia cosě
precisa. Il senso del 'direct', comunque, l'hai colto subito (credo),
'diede istruzioni'.

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"Transennare"? Anche se forse č un po' troppo specifico in mancanza di 
informazioni piů dettagliate.

 Va bene cosě?
Sě, direi di sě. Magari "she directed the perimeter" č un po' ambiguo, o
semplicemente un po' troppo sintetico, ma direi che la maggioranza si trova
d'accordo sul senso :)
Grazie a tutti,
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Anna

"Kiuhnm" <kiuhnm03_NO@SPAM_yahoo.it> wrote in message
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It makes no difference. The perimeter, an arbitrary line, is manned or
defended by people, who may be a perimeter formation, or perimeter
personnel, but the perimeter remains an arbitrary line drawn in the sand,
and not a group of people. The author is attempting to say that the
detective gave instructions to the personnel on the perimeter, and chose the
inapt expression "directed the perimeter", thus anthropomorphising an
imaginary arbitrary line.
Joe from Massachusetts

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Nope. :-((
Joe from Massachusetts