Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: A che ora arrivi?

Yesterday I was talking with a friend of mine and I had to ask "A che
ora arrivi". As usual I started to wonder if I had to ask the same
question in English. Thinking about it this morning I'm not quite sure
the answers I gave me are correct or to be precise I'm not sure if they
are "natural speaking", if you catch my drift.
I thought:
"At what hour do you thing you'll arrive?"
"Estimate time of arrival?" (kidding, LOL)
"Are you going to arrive by what hour?"
"Are you gonna be here for supper or what? Damn you fool, yon never
call." (LOL)
"May I know when you're going to arrive?"
"Can you tell me when you are going to arrive?"
-- 
Take care now, bye bye then,
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Teal'c : It is a significant part of your Western culture. Have you not
read the Bible, O'Neill?
O'Neill: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not all of it. Actually, I'm listening to it on
tape. Don't tell me how it ends

 "Can you tell me when you are going to arrive?"
"When" e "What time" erano troppo diretti?

 "At what hour do you thing you'll arrive?"
I often do the same, but from Dutch into English :)
I would translate it like:
At what time you (or you will) arrive? (I guess you made a typo writing 
thing, in stead of think.)
I am not sure about the difference between hour and time in this 
sentence.

 "When" e "What time" erano troppo diretti?
No, vanno benissimo. Non c'avevo proprio pensato.
-- 
Take care now, bye bye then,
Kosh     : If you go to Z'ha'dum, you will die.
Sheridan : Then I die. But I will not go down easily, and I will not go
down alone.

 I am not sure about the difference between hour and time in this sentence.
I was wondering about the very same thing.
-- 
Take care now, bye bye then,
I am Heisenborg. You will probably be assimilated.

 I don't why I've said that, just making conversation I guess. :)
I forgot an entire word, LOL. Maybe I shouldn't have drunk those beers
yesterday night. I'm too old for that and the hangover is kicking in. :)
I meant "I don't know...", natch.
-- 
Take care now, bye bye then,
The good news for kaiju fans is that Godzilla: Final Wars is a kick-ass
giant monster flick.
Jim Agnew

 "When" e "What time" erano troppo diretti?
Vado completamente OT... sei tu l'Adam Atkinson che sarà a Caldé a fine 
luglio ("Come vincere a Nim e altri giochi improbabili")?
Dovrei esserci anch'io :-) !

 I don't why I've said that, just making conversation I guess. :)
No problem at all! I considered it as a compliment. :)
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Simple:
What time do you get here?
-- 
Joey from NY

 Your nick name is from cartoon, I think.
Anime and Manga to be precise, Akira is from Katsuhiro Otomo's "Akira"
and Norimaki is from Sanbe Norimaki(*) a main character in Akira
Toriami's "Dr.Slup". I don't watch/read much of those now but they
were a great passion of mine.
Bye then,
Akira
Strange as it may sound I actually never ate a norimaki. :)

 What time do you get here?
Plain and simple. I've always found difficult to use "get", it doesn't
come natural to me. I guess this is the difference between a learner and
a native speaker.
-- 
Take care now, bye bye then,
The essence of Christianity is told to us in the Garden of Eden history.
The fruit that was forbidden was on the Tree of Knowledge. The subtext
is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what
was going on. You could be in the Garden of Eden if you had just kept
your fucking mouth shut and hadn't asked any questions.
Frank Zappa

 a native speaker.
We will get it eventualy :)

 Strange as it may sound I actually never ate a norimaki.
You should!  It is great food.
Farlo a casa stasera :)
con video: 
http://arigato.blogosfere.it/2006/03/norimaki-a-casa.html
Just write after you ate it so we know you survived it.

Renee, 15:54, giovedì 8 luglio 2010:
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When in doubt, *get* it!
:-)
-- 
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four.
Unless there are three other people."
                -- Orson Welles

 When in doubt, *get* it!
Let's get the hell out of here.
The problem isn't how to use it but to use it when you're not trying. I
don't know if I made myself clear with this one but, well, that's the thing.
-- 
Take care now, bye bye then,
No one ever listens to poor Zathras, no, he's quite mad they say. It is
good that Zathras does not mind, has even grown to like it.

 Just write after you ate it so we know you survived it.
Joke a part. I'll do, thanks for the tip. ;)
-- 
Take care now, bye bye then,
Kosh     : If you go to Z'ha'dum, you will die.
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 Joke a part. I'll do, thanks for the tip. ;)
yw!

 don't know if I made myself clear with this one but, well, that's the thing.
You are getting nuts? :)))
Like this we get to know a lot abuot that tiny verb.
The verb 'to get' is used in many senses in English and can be 
confusing at times. Here is a list of the top ten uses of 'to get' with 
simple explanations and example sentences. Of course, these are not all 
the senses of 'to get'. In fact, there are many phrasal verbs with 'to 
get'. This list is meant to give intermediate level learners the main 
senses of this important verb.
Sense 1
get = acquire -- (come into the possession of something; "She got a lot 
of paintings from her uncle"; "They got a new pet"; "Get your results 
the next day")
Sense 2
get = become -- (to change into a state; "He got annoyed when he heard 
the bad news"; "It must be getting more serious"; Get going!")
Sense 3
get = receive -- (receive something; "I got some clothes for 
Christmas."; "His movie got a good review"; "I got some books from my 
girlfriend.")
Sense 4
get = arrive -- (reach a destination; "She got home at 7 o'clock"; "She 
didn't get to Chicago until after midnight")
Sense 5
get = bring, fetch -- (go and bring or take back; "Get me those books 
over there, please"; "Could you get the wine?")
Sense 6
get= experience, undergo -- (of mental or physical states or 
experiences; "He got an idea"; "She gets vertigo when she looks out the 
window."; "They get nauseous when they drive.")
Sense 7
get = make, score -- (achieve a point or goal; "Nicklaus got a 70"; 
"The Brazilian team got 4 goals"; "She got 29 points that day")
Sense 8
get = contract, take -- (be stricken by an illness, fall victim to an 
illness; "He got AIDS"; "She got pneumonia"; "She got a cold from 
Tom.")
Sense 9
get = induce, stimulate, cause, make someone do -- (cause to do; cause 
to act in a certain way; "My children finally got me to buy a 
computer"; "My wife got me to pay attention to the speaker.")
Sense 10
get = pay back -- (take vengeance on or get even; "We'll get them!"; 
"That'll get him good!"; "This time I got him")
source:  
http://esl.about.com/cs/intermediate/a/a_get.htm
Or here: 
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/search/british/?q=get

 You are getting nuts? :)))
This does not mean what you think it means. You were thinking of 'you 
are going nuts?' That is, unless you were trying to say that he is 
finally finding his manly courage.

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lol...this is a case of a freudian slip......I am laughing out loud 
about my mistake..I hope everybody else too.
Isn't language great!

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Yes, I'm laughing too, now, but only after Tony pointed out the implication 
of your phrase. I read what you wrote and my brain internally translated it 
to "You're going nuts," and completely missed the unintended double meaning.
In fact, if it weren't for Tony's post, if someone had asked me to describe a 
subtext to what you wrote, I probably would have said something like "it 
means 'gathering almonds'."
Now that I see it would more likely mean "You're [finally] growing a pair." 
I'm laughing out loud.
-- 
Joey from NY

 I'm laughing out loud.
I am glad you laughed, because a day without laughing is a lost day :)

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I agree wholeheartedly.
My e-mail signature file selects from over 100 quotations relating to 
laughter. The first one I acquired -- and the most meaningful -- is the 
following. (It always begins with the "Remember..." line.)
(and PS: I love nederlands.)
-- 
Joe
Remember: It is To Laugh
Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator,
but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
    -- WH Auden

 (and PS: I love nederlands.)
Meaning you love the language? (Nederlands is the language, Nederland 
is the country, Nederlander is the resident of the Netherlands.)

 mom for a change :P
I might do that, sometimes they - mom and granny - come to my place for
a coffee or something but I have to admit it's rare they've dinner here.
There are risks though, for instance I may poison 'hem with my "exotic"
cooking. :P
A better way to repay them is to do their heavy work when necessary, no
poisoning risks implied. Safer for everyone. ;)
Maybe we've drift off topic a bit, sorry everybody! :)
Bye then
Akira

 Maybe we've drift off topic a bit, sorry everybody! :)
*drifted
By then,
Akira

 lol...this is a case of a freudian slip......
Did you mean something like "nut up or shut up"? LOL.
Bye then,
Akira

 Akira
Sometimes it is wiser to shut up (for me that is), this is one of those 
cases, lol

 cases, lol
No, why? Shoot away. I can take it. I've wide shoulders.
Go ahead without hesitations.
Bye then,
Akira

 No, vanno benissimo. Non c'avevo proprio pensato.
A me queste cose fanno venire i brividi.
Non capisco se scherzi o sei serio.
Scherzi o sei serio?
ciao, Janis 

 a native speaker.
Wait a minute, Akira. Your problem is not the verb get (you can use 'arrive' 
instead and you'll be fine). Your problem is that your wicked mind (j/k) was 
able to conceive every weird phrase except a simple 'what time', something I 
expect to come to anyone's mind as the first option. I'm very surprised 
because you're NOT a beginner and you write English quite well.
ciao, Janis

 Akira Norimaki explained on 8-7-2010 :
Renee & Akira sitting on a tree... :D
ciao, Janis 

 nless you were trying to say that he is finally finding his manly courage.
I know it's regarded as impolite to write an uninformative post but....
ROFL!!!!
J. 

 at times.
I wouldn't want to disappoint you, Renee, but English speakers usually try 
hard to *get rid* of the verb 'get', which is used too often instead of 
proper verbs.
ciao, Janis 

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All three, actually, but I meant the language.
-- 
Joey from NY

 ROFL!!!!
Hmmm. Are you referring to your post or to the last 234 posts on this 
topic by Akira and Renee.
Lo so che sono attaccabrighe, non è necessario dirmene.

 cooking. :P
In this context you cannot contract "they have" to "they've". It should 
be clear if you think about it, because there is no verb following "have".

 ha scritto nel 
messaggio news:i1a5gd$5b9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
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I was referring to my post. As for Akira&Renee, we could ask to name their 
children after us, Janis and Tony that is, but then humm we could start 
another romance here and make this thread a real soap! :D j/k
ciao, Janis 

 Scherzi o sei serio?
Non scherzo. Fino a che non mi sono state "proposte" non c'avevo
pensato. Credo dipenda dal fatto che non le abbia mai sentite, o lette.
Di conseguenza non mi vengono naturali. Mera supposizione neh.
Bye then,
Akira

Joey from NY explained on 10-7-2010 :
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How come you like it? It is not a very interesting language :)

 ciao, Janis
in your dreams...lol
I am already married and our children are named already as well :P

 because you're NOT a beginner and you write English quite well.
As I said I'm not kidding, it didn't come to me. I think the reason is
that I'm like a sponge, I absorb all I read and hear but there are
obvious gaps in that kind of knowledge. In this case I used what I know
to find a way around that my particular bit of ignorance. Those were the
results.
Bye then,
Akira

 I am already married and our children are named already as well :P
Don't be afraid to talk to me now though, I wasn't making a move on you.
I promise. :)
Bye then,
Akira

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Maybe not for you, but it is for me. I'm always fascinated by languages that 
share similarities. I had a Belgian visit for a few weeks back in the 'XXs* 
and that got me interested in vlaams, which naturally led to nederlands.
*Can't put the real decade or you'll realized I'm nine days older than god.
-- 
Joey from NY

 I promise. :)
One would have to have the wild romantic imagination of a teenager, and 
really believe one in five relationships begins on the internet to jump 
to that conclusion. Either that or your moves would have to be rather 
obtuse.
Just as an aside, I would guess that maybe three in ten relationships 
begin on the internet and two of the three end after they meet and smell 
each other's scent. Pheromones do count for something.
I have an American acquaintance who met an Italian man on the internet. 
They had a relationship that lasted more than five years and they were 
even talking about marriage, although they only met once every year, 
during their two-week vacations. The relationship would heat up and 
fizzle over the course of time until one day when he read about her 
upcoming marriage to someone else on her Facebook page, and sent her a 
note of congratulations.

 another romance here and make this thread a real soap! :D j/k
Another one? The term 'glutton for punishment' comes to mind...

 Akira
lol, no worries!

 and that got me interested in vlaams, which naturally led to nederlands.
The Dutch language is very compact I would say. Unlike for instance 
German, we have a lot of words that can mean different things. I 
believe that in other languages it is possible to say things more 
precisely than in Dutch.
In what way you find Dutch interesting?
(Me too, I am facinated by all languages, I speak already a few, but 
always want to learn more. I think after Italian I would like to learn 
Turkish or Swahili.

Afrikaans is pretty close to Dutch as well.

 Turkish or Swahili.
I've studied both Turkish and Swahili; both also interesting (but I think all 
languages are interesting) and when I worked in a hospital there was one 
surgeon who heard I had studied Dutch, so every time he came into the office 
he spoke to me in what I thought was Dutch with a weird accent. I barely 
understood him. Later I found out he was South African and had been speaking 
Afrikaans. LOL.
The only two phrases I remember in Swahili are:
Naweza kuchukua picha yako.
I want to take your picture.
and
Kitanda kimoja kitatosha.
One bed will be enough.
(Those two phrases got me into a lot of fun situations.)  :) 
-- 
Joey from NY

 (Those two phrases got me into a lot of fun situations.)  :) 
I can imagine, especially when you combine the two sentences :).
I already showed here that I am good at making funny mistakes, I made 
many more in other languages lol. (and no, I am not going to tell them 
here)

 language anymore? What about Scandinavian languages?
It would be an exaggeration to say I 'speak' Dutch. If I were to open my 
'mond' and utter the simplest of phrases, anyone within earshot would burst 
out laughing.
I do okay reading it, though. And I can order 'kip' in a restaurant without 
any embarrassing incidents. :)
I have studied Norwegian; somewhat less, Swedish and Danish; I have a Finnish 
grammar book (as we say here, Fuhgeddaboudit!) and an Icelandic as well. The 
latter is complicated as all get-out, with all its extant declensions and the 
like. I delve into them from time to time when I'm bored and feeling 
masochistic.
And on a humorous note (as if all of life isn't humorous) and speaking of 
masochism, a friend of mine was sent to southern India for a year for work. 
Knowing I like languages, he sent me a Tamil phrase book and a "Learn Tamil" 
CD. OMG!
-- 
Joey from NY

 CD. OMG!
 lol..is it a difficult language? Will it teach you to be a tiger too? 
:)
life sure is humorous!

 life sure is humorous!
thank god for that.
-- 
Joey from NY

 thank god for that.
Did He had humor? Or is it has He humor?

 Did He had humor? Or is it has He humor?
"Did He have humor" or "Does He have humor?"
Ans.: Yes, obviously, otherwise neither you nor I nor any human would be 
walking on this Earth.  :)
-- 
Joey from NY

 to that conclusion.
Just pointing out the obvious, you never know. Better to be safe than sorry.
Bye then,
Akira

 walking on this Earth.  :)
laughing out loud, great answer!

 lol, no worries!
Good, because if that was so I would have said "How you doin'?". LOL.
Sorry I couldn't resist, this is the last quote I swear to god. :)
(By the way, those were all citations from movies.)
Bye then,
Akira

 Akira

 Did He had humor? Or is it has He humor?
She did had.
She make us believe She was a male.
hahahaha!!!
(Spanish version: jajajajaja!!!)
-- 
"Oscuro perché prestino attenzione.
Chiaro, chiaro come l'acqua, perché nessuno capisca."
                -- Antonio Machado

 (Spanish version: jajajajaja!!!)
olé, olé, olé!!
I don't think He is a She, otherwise things would have been better :P

Renee, 07:58, martedì 13 luglio 2010:
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Surely the Universe would be cleaner...
-- 
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I say."
                -- Marshall McLuhan 

 Surely the Universe would be cleaner...
lol