Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: The /ae/ sound in NAME

NAME = North AMerican English. What were you thinking?
Here you can listen to the pronunciation of "laugh" and "at":
 
http://download.file2you.net/arpgehvckund/laugh_at.mp3.html
   (83 KB)
   (NOTE: the volume is quite high!)
These two words, according to the speaker, should both contain the sound 
/ae/, but I can't hear it in "laugh".
I've also noted that the same vocal is pronounced quite differently by 
different people:
 
http://download.file2you.net/arpgehvckund/ae.mp3.html
   (NOTE: the volume is quite high!)
If it's true that the /ae/ vocal sounds like an animal, the latter 
"performance" is definitely the more convincing one.
Did I get something wrong? Are my ears failing me?
Kiuhnm

 NAME = North AMerican English. What were you thinking?
...thinking OF.
Kiuhnm

 Did I get something wrong? Are my ears failing me?
How about trying megaupload or somewhere similar (I can cope
with an annoying 45s wait ...).
Anyway, if this were RP then laugh (larf) and at (eht) would
use different vowels. 
Antonio

 ...thinking OF.
No correction needed. Both are fine.
Antonio

 Il mio dizionario dice che "laugh" ha lo stesso suono di "car".
Si`, almeno nel sud. Se vai piu` al nord (verso Birmingham)
trovi che quel vocale diventa quasi come l'"a" italiana.
Antonio

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Comment:
While it's true that the Italian "vocale" translates to "vocal"
in English when it refers to something having to do with the
voice, when it refers to the letters a, e, i, o and u, it is
translated "vowel" in English.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Av. Circunvalación CEC-2
Urb. Los Girasoles de Huampaní
Lurigancho, Lima 15, PERU
-- Posso resistere a tutto... tranne alle tentazioni
 

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Either way, actually.
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In American English, the vowel sound of "laugh" is exactly the
same as that of "at" although I understand that the Brits
pronounce it the same as that of "car."
Before I moved to the suburbs making the commute impossible, I
used to teach at the Wall Street Institute in Lima, Peru.  There
were 5 of us:  one from Canada with somewhat of a French accent,
one from England, one from California, US (me), one from North
Carolina, US, and one from Scotland.  They said this mix was
intentional to expose the students to various different accents
in English.  I sometimes had problems understanding the Englishman
but I don't think the Scotsman ever uttered one sentence that I
understood completely.
I don't know if I should even stick around here in this group.
It seems to be almost completely, if not completely, bent toward
British English and I'm afraid I might generate more confusion
than help.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Av. Circunvalación CEC-2
Urb. Los Girasoles de Huampaní
Lurigancho, Lima 15, PERU
-- Il mio paesino e talmente piccolo che ha una sola pagina gialla.
 

 a download.
You must be doing something wrong. There is nothing to download except 
for my mp3.
Kiuhnm

 than help.
Well, Joseph Curtin, for one, is from Massachusetts.
By the way I'm studying American English, so... :-)
Kiuhnm

 a download.
You're right! Yesterday there wasn't any plugin to download!
That's fishy...
Kiuhnm

 a download.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/720113.html
Kiuhnm

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/720113.html
Kiuhnm

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Finally my paranoia pays off :-)
Antonio

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Well, you're getting a lot of answers with a British flavor to them.
-- 
Dale Erwin
Av. Circunvalación CEC-2
Urb. Los Girasoles de Huampaní
Lurigancho, Lima 15, PERU
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 Well, you're getting a lot of answers with a British flavor to them.
So chip in and add some American flavour :-)
Antonio


Ciao, non ho ascoltato i tuoi mp3 per via del plugin/spyware,
cmq contrariamente a quello che nativi e non-ntivi possano
pensare le vocali in laugh/at NON sono esattamente le stesse
anche in varieta' di inglese che usano il fonema /A/ in ambedue
i casi per via del pre-fortis clipping, un po' nello stesso modo
in cui bat/bad differiscono (in "bat" la vocale e' piu' corta e piu' 
"tense")
Prova cercare dei vecchi posti sull'argomento con "pre-fortis clipping".
Lorenzo 

 Prova cercare dei vecchi posti sull'argomento con "pre-fortis clipping".
I will, thank you.
Kiuhnm