Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Portabello

Vabbe', noi chiamiamo footing lo "jogging", scotch l'"adhesive tape" o
"Sellotape" e pullman quello che in inglese viene detto "coach".
Loro perň, ho scoperto, chiamano "portabello", o "portobello", il
fungo prataiolo. :)

fungo prataiolo. :)
Se è per questo loro chiamano Sunflower o Jesuralem Artichoke il
Topinambur.

 Topinambur.
Sě, ma... che c'entra? Dov'č il prestito che non corrisponde all'uso
nella lingua d'origine, in questo caso? :O?
-- 
Enrico C
"O ciechi, el tanto affaticar che giova? Tutti tornate a la gran madre
antica, e 'l vostro nome a pena si ritrova". (Petrarca, I trionfi)

nella lingua d'origine, in questo caso? :O?
Viene tutto dall'italiano.
Girasole -> Jerusalem (nota la parziale omofonia). Un po' come Livorno
-> Leghorn (rinota la parziale omofonia).
Inolltre c'č da dire che il Sunflower (il girasole) _non_ č la stessa
cosa di un Topinanbur, anche se (un po') ci assomiglia.
Un errore botanico. Linneo si sta rigirando nella fossa.

 -> Leghorn (rinota la parziale omofonia).
Allora forse anche il nuovo SO della microsoft....
:-)
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Allora forse anche il nuovo SO della microsoft....
Sě, la parola deriva dalla trascrizione fonetica (non piů usata) di
Livorno.

 Livorno.
E che, foneticamente dicevano Legorno?
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(Janis Joplin)
26/12/2005 8.52.34

 :-)
Che adesso si chiama "Vista". :)
Sebastiano

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I knew that! :-)
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E che, foneticamente dicevano Legorno?
non commento...

 fungo prataiolo. :)
Sapessi che errori trovo io sui menu'!  E quando glielo dico neanche ci
credono.
ari

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Eh eh... Ci credo!
Ciò su cui volevo attirare l'attenzione, però, più che gli errori,
sono i termini utilizzati tal quali in  un'altra lingua ma con
significato diverso, appunto come "footing" che per noi italiani è
un'attività sportiva... che gli anglofoni chiamano invece "jogging".
"Portobello" col significato di "prataiolo" non è un vero errore, o
almeno è un "errore" ormai accettato dai dizionari, visto che compare
anche sul Merriam-Webster.
Probabilmente si tratta di una variante di qualche dialetto italiano
che ha avuto fortuna negli States, mentre non è arrivata la forma
italiana standard.
-- 
Enrico C
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 un'attività sportiva... che gli anglofoni chiamano invece "jogging".
Mi stavo chiedendo, come sia possibile (storicamente ed etimologicamente) 
che la parola "footing", che in inglese, ho appena visto, significa 
"posizione" o "fondamento", sia venuta ad assumere, invece quel significato 
in italiano!
8-O
Boh!
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"prendila vitella, perchè vacca diventa comunque" (da icling) 

 fungo prataiolo. :)
Sapessi che errori trovo io sui menu'!  E quando glielo dico neanche
ci
credono.
There is a local Italian restaurant near here, owned by Italian
immigrants, which for 7 or 8 years has had "saltibocca" on the menu. I
keep wanting to mention it to the owner, but maybe he would be
insulted if I pointed out the misspelling. It could also be that he
had so many menus printed that it wasn't worth the bother to reprint
them.
Joe from Massachusetts

 insulted if I pointed out the misspelling.
You might correct it on your menu with a pen.
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Bye, FB
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It wouldn't look right.
      m
saltibocca
      ^
Joe from Massachusetts

 them.
Well, here is a story for you Joe.  Five years ago I was in NY and
decided to visit Little Italy with a friend.  We were looking for
"Ristorante Puglia" which had been recommended to us.  I went up to a
friendly looking older man and asked him if he knew where the
restaurant was located.  He didn't understand the name of the
restaurant even though  I repeated it several times.  Finally, after
about the seventh time he exclaimed "Pug - lia!"  You mean "Pug-lia"
(as in pug like the doog breed and lia as the woman's name).  "You are
misponouncing that word" he continued "that's why I couldn't understand
you. It's Pug-lia"  Isn't that something?  I bet if you tell the
restaurnat owner that "saltibocca" is incorrect, he'll tell you that
you are wrong.
bye
ari

 them.
Well, here is a story for you Joe.  Five years ago I was in NY and
decided to visit Little Italy with a friend.  We were looking for
"Ristorante Puglia" which had been recommended to us.  I went up to a
friendly looking older man and asked him if he knew where the
restaurant was located.  He didn't understand the name of the
restaurant even though  I repeated it several times.  Finally, after
about the seventh time he exclaimed "Pug - lia!"  You mean "Pug-lia"
(as in pug like the doog breed and lia as the woman's name).  "You are
misponouncing that word" he continued "that's why I couldn't
understand
There aren't very many Italians in Little Italy any more. Chinatown's
boundary has extended north from Canal Street, and Hester Street,
where the Ristorante Puglia is located, is the current border between
Chinatown and Little Italy. There is a Chinese restaurant directly
across the street from the "Ristorante Puglia". As a matter of fact,
there are just as many Chinese restaurants in Little Italy as there
are Italian restaurants, but where the Italian restaurants depend on
tourists, the Chinese have a local clientele, in addition to the
tourists.
If the man who didn't know the Italian pronunciation of Puglia was
Italian-born, I would be very surprised. Most New Yorkers don't
pronounce foreign names correctly. The "trat" in "trattoria" rhymes
with "cat", and sometimes the accent shifts to the "or". "Veneto"
becomes "Venčto", and "Venezia" becomes "Veneezeea". "Sicilia" becomes
"Sissillia". "Napoli" becomes "Nappoly". I shudder to think how they
pronounce the restaurant in Greenwich Village which bears the name
"Gnocco".
you. It's Pug-lia"  Isn't that something?  I bet if you tell the
restaurnat owner that "saltibocca" is incorrect, he'll tell you that
you are wrong.
I think that my Italian-born friend got stuck when he bought his first
batch of menus, and decided that it wasn't worth the cost of
reprinting them, especially since only Italians would notice the
misspelling, but they might also just think that this is the way
Americans spell the word. But I still hesitate to bring it to his
attention.
Joe from Massachusetts