Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: make like Pan

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Grand gardens cost a lot to make and so their designs reflect the whims of
their patrons, whether those are to show off fashionable good taste or just
to create a shady place away from the palace to meet a mistress and make
like Pan.
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Source: "ET in Arcadia Euro", The Economist, June 19th 2004, page 40
L'unico Pan che conosco è Peter Pan, e non capisco l'analogia fra la
costruzione di un giardino grandioso, una amante e Peter Pan.
Fare come ha fatto Pan? Al momento, non mi sento di leggere i 17 capitoli
del libro Peter Pan. Che cosa ha fatto in un grande giardino (se si tratta
proprio di lui)?
-- 
Xakero

 costruzione di un giardino grandioso, una amante e Peter Pan.
Non potrebbe essere il dio Pan?
Ciao
Fabio

costruzione di un giardino grandioso, una amante e Peter Pan.
Pan e' una divinita' ... greca? ... mezzo uomo, mezza capra.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
#include <disclaimer.h>

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They've already told you that Pan is also a greek deity, god of the
shepherds. Faunus is its Roman name. He looks over shepherds, their
flocks and woods. He's also called the god of the forest. He's always
playing his syrinx, a sort of flute.
www.villamussalo.com/studio/grafiikka/syrinx.jpg
QUOTE 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrinx
Syrinkx was a nymph, who, in an attempt to escape the affections of
the Greek god Pan, was transformed into water reeds. Pan cut some of
the reeds and fashioned the first set of pan pipes from them, naming
them syrinx in honor of her.
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Maybe those links can help you out.
Images, just so you know what he looks like:
www.story-lovers.com/res/myths16pan.jpg
www.crosscircle.com/pan.gif
www.mythweb.com/encyc/zooms/pan.gif
And here some information:
http://snipurl.com/77gh
Hope this helps.
Sebastiano

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Si dice il dio greco della vita campestre in italiano?

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Pan è il dio greco dei boschi e dei campi, dall'aspetto parzialmente 
caprino. Corrisponde al Fauno latino. Suona uno strumento musicale 
costruito con una canna spezzata, detto appunto flauto di Pan. Nel testo in 
questione credo si alluda alla sua predilezione per i luoghi solitari e 
alla sua abitudine di intrecciare danze sensuali con le ninfe.
Max

Si dice il dio greco della vita campestre in italiano?
Anche. Lo trovi indicato anche come "il dio della natura". Ma non sono
esperto, per niente. Per controllare ho usato google.
Pan, in greco, significa tutto. La famosa "Pangea" (Pangaea), ovvero
il supercontinente iniziale che si č rotto per la deriva dei
continenti (continental drift) circa 220 milioni di anni fa, arrivando
oggi ad avere l'immagine dei vari continenti che conosciamo,
significa, infatti, "tutte le terre".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangea
www.enchantedlearning.com/pgifs/Pangaeaanim.gif
Sebastiano

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Grazie a tutti che mi hanno risposto. Adesso capisco l'allusione a Pan.
Piacerebbe anche a me "fare come Pan". Il giardino, ce l'ho; mi mancano solo
le ninfe :-)
-- 
Xakero

le ninfe :-)
I have a garden, too. The problem is that today it rained and hailed a
lot. Up to 4cm of diameter, for crying out loud! The leaves of my poor
banana tree are in tatters! :(
Sebastiano

per niente
What's does this expression mean in English?
I know of the English expression "for nothing" but this doesn't fit
the context of your post. Maybe: "for one thing" or "for a start"?

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"Non sono esperto, per niente" ==> "I'm not an expert, not at all".
Bye, FB
-- 
"Nasalization is just a part of life"
(Joey DoWop Dee on it.cultura.linguistica.inglese)

"Non sono esperto, per niente" ==> "I'm not an expert, not at all".
Ta FB.

 banana tree are in tatters! :(
Really?
I heard of an ice storm on the news casts but I wasn't paying enough
attention and
I missed where it happened but I found it out right now...
(I haven't got a garden but I planted a sunflower long time ago and it
bloomed this morning ^_^)

 bloomed this morning ^_^)
Allora, stai "facendo come Pan" in una maniera modesta.
Io, invece, incontrai ieri una rana nel giardino. Se la bacessi...? Per ora,
è ancora molto timida e scappa al mio avvicinarmi.
-- 
Xakero

 è ancora molto timida e scappa al mio avvicinarmi.
Magari non le piaci... ;-)
Se la baciassi, comunque.
Ciao
Fabio

bloomed this morning ^_^)
Great!
Sebastiano

 That's my banana three now:
Three? I only see one! :)
-- 
The foregoing is my opinion, and my opinion alone. It is intended to
demonstrate modern American English -- colloquial and spoken, (but well
spoken) for the most part; not literary American English. Ergo, caveat
lector. (No, not you, Hannibal)
Oh, if you feel the need to e-mail me, un-not my address first.

 Three? I only see one! :)
Can one say "I only see one" in British English in this case, or is only "I
*can* only see one" spot-on?
Bye, FB
-- 
"Gli americani sono ignoranti per loro stessa natura"
that is "The Americans are naturally ignorant"
(Paolo Bonardi on it.cultura.linguistica)

 
http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/sebapop/Garden/banana%20three%20in%20tatters.jpg
Not too bad: you had a banana tree, now you have a palm...
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 *can* only see one" spot-on?
"I can only see one" is a lot more common.
-- 
Mary

 That's my banana three now:
Excuse my callous reply, previously. I do hope it will be okay. (It looks
only slightly damaged; I assumed it would be fine.)
I will say a prayer for it.
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Three? I only see one! :)
Dammit! :)
Sebastiano


http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/sebapop/Garden/banana%20three%20in%20tatters.jpg
That's the correct link:
http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/sebapop/Garden/banana%20tree%20in%20tatters.jpg
Sebastiano/what's wrong with me?

Not too bad: you had a banana tree, now you have a palm...
Y'rite! :)
Sebastiano

I will say a prayer for it.
^_^
Sebastiano

 Great!
It's night unfortunately but if you want I can shoot a picture of it
tomorrow and post it :-)

tomorrow and post it :-)
It would be great!
Some pics of my garden:
http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/sebapop/Garden/
^_^
Sebastiano

 ^_^
I turned pale for having seen your garden... that's incredible, congrats man
:)
I almost don't want to post my picture anymore, but a promise is a promise
=)
http://digilander.iol.it/Dilan3/sunflower.jpg
 :-)

 ti darò conferma tra una decina d'anni quindi :)))
Tutto questo entusiasmo per le banane... Freud avrebbe due o tre cosette da
dirvi. 
Ciao, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

 dirvi.
pensavo Cristiano Malgioglio

 Some pics of my garden:
Un giardino bellissimo! (My mother's maiden name was Giardino.) I have no
room outside here in NY, except for the balcony (which I prefer to call the
"terrace", as it sounds evah so much classier) and I have three palm trees,
three window boxes and various other plants out there... so many that it's
difficult for me to go out. Maybe that's a good thing, though, considering
what happened a couple of months ago.
If that @%@#^% Empire State Building North Web Cam ever comes back up, I'll
resend a link so you can check out my little giardinetto.
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 =)
But she's beautiful! (All flowers are female, right? Except maybe those
that eat meat... Oh wait, though: even that one is called Venus Fly Trap.
:)
Anyway, thanks for the picture.
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 Anyway, thanks for the picture.
oh no problem, I'm glad you liked it :)

dirvi. 
Waitaminute! I don't even like bananas. I only like the *tree*. :)
Sebastiano

 is there any men eater out there? :-)
Only in bad Japanese horror flicks, I think. Although I suppose if a Venus
Fly Trap grew large enough it could "eat" a person. I had one several years
ago. It was fun watching it catch flies. Every so often I would give it a
little hamburger, (no fries, though :) if there weren't any insects around.
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http://digilander.iol.it/Dilan3/sunflower.jpg
 :-)
Nice!
Sebastiano

resend a link so you can check out my little giardinetto.
That would be great!
Sebastiano

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Bananas are a very, very good source of potassium. (and gas, but still
they're good for you.) Did you ever make a peanut butter and banana
sandwich? Yum!
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sandwich? Yum!
What can I say, one can't like everything! I'd love to love them, but
I don't. And I don't like fish and 'minestrone'. :)
Sebastiano

 little hamburger, (no fries, though :) if there weren't any insects
around.
My aunt had it too, but I never tried to feed it with bits of hamburger (raw
or cooked?) though :)

 Did you ever make a peanut butter and banana sandwich?
No wonder Elvis died...
Bye, FB
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:57:22 +0200, Sebapop wrote:
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The situation hardly changes... 
Bye, FB
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or cooked?) though :)
I had one when I was little. It died. You need constant care. They
told me you don't have to tease the traps or to give them dead flies
or big insects. And you need distillate water.
Sebastiano

Only in bad Japanese horror flicks, I think. Although I suppose if a Venus
Uhm... Roger Corman is not from Japan :-)
The Little Shop of Horrors
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054033/
It's also Jack Nicholson's 2nd movie.
'bye

 I don't like fish and 'minestrone'.
Are you sure you're Italian??
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:20:31 GMT, Ice wrote:
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Raw hamburger; but don't be fooled: they can close very quickly, and I'm
assuming if one were big enough to trap a human, it would be difficult, if
not impossible, for the human to get out because the plant would be so
strong.
As for the slowness of the process, it would be terribly painful, being
digested very, very slowly by plant enzymes. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! :)
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 Bye, FB
Um, I think it was a different kind of "sandwich" that offed Elvy.
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Are you sure you're Italian??
Yes. :)
I don't eat pasta that much, too. :)
Sebastiano

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Horrors!
(It would be a little better to say "I don't eat past that much, either.")
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 or big insects. And you need distillate water.
I used to tease its jaws... I didn't know I shouldn't do that ^_^;;;
and it died too, the digestion was extremely slow and flies were completely
dried in 2/3 days...

 digested very, very slowly by plant enzymes. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! :)
or better, don't try to alter genetically your plant, especially if your
plant is a venus fly trap :)
it would be a terrible agony, I can't think of being corroded by acid
juices.
But I'll leave it all to Japanese "flicks" (eheh, even today you taught me
something new ^_^)

 (It would be a little better to say "I don't eat past that much, either.")
could he have used "neither" in that case?

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(Excuse the misspelling; you know it should have been "pasta")
No, you can't use 'neither' because then you've used a double negative:
*I -don't- eat [that much] pasta, -neither-. [-negatives]
The best way I can think of to use "neither" would be:
"Neither do I eat pasta that much." but it's a little "studied" (ie., it
sounds like you're forcing yourself to use a "neither" construction.)
Even then, it would be better as "Nor do I eat pasta that much."
*incorrect
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 Even then, it would be better as "Nor do I eat pasta that much."
oh thanks :)
so there's no difference between the construction neither/nor
but in the end I gathered I'd use "I don't eat pasta either", that's far
simplier than the other forms

(It would be a little better to say "I don't eat past that much, either.")
You're right, thanks.
Sebastiano

dried in 2/3 days...
Se il cibo erano mosche morte, non le digeriva. Digerisce solo prede
vive.
Sebastiano

 simplier than the other forms
Yes, much simpler and more natural.
I eat either chicken or beef at every meal.
I eat neither chicken nor beef at [any] meal. ("every" doesn't work here)
(Or "I don't eat chicken or beef at every meal.")
The simplest reponses to the initial statement are:
Me too!
I don't.
Not me.
-I don't like chicken.
-I don't either.  -or-
Neither do I  -or-
Nor do I. (This is a *little* unusual, but not unheard of.)
mm... I'm getting hungry... :)
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 vive.
no no, la lasciavo cacciare in libertà ^_^

no no, la lasciavo cacciare in libertà ^_^
Allora boh. Non conosco bene le carnivore. :)
Sebastiano


http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/sebapop/Garden/banana%20tree%20in%20tatters.jpg
Anche i miei banani hanno sofferto leggermente, ma senza l'aiuto di un
grandinìo:
http://www.geocities.com/xakero/20040623_banana_trees.JPG
-- 
Xakero

 grandinìo
Io avrei detto "grandinata", ma sul De Mauro leggo:
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grandinio   gran|di|nì|o 
s.m.
 
CO un grandinare fitto e continuo 
---
grandinata   gran|di|nà|ta 
s.f.
 
CO 
1 fitta e prolungata caduta di grandine: la g. ha rovinato le rose 
2 fig., scarica, fitta caduta di oggetti: una g. di sassi | fig., serie
fitta e continua: una g. di fischi, di insulti 
---
Insomma, due definizioni -- quella di "grandinio" e quella di "grandinata"
nella prima accezione -- decisamente simili. 
Mi pare che, tuttavia, con "grandinata" si soglia riferirsi all'evento del
grandinare, mentre con "grandinio", invero non molto comune, solo
all'effetto visivo e sonoro della caduta di grandine. Eppure, non son
troppo convinto. Anzi, dirò pure che lo sono poco.
Ciao, FB
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http://www.geocities.com/xakero/20040623_banana_trees.JPG
Poverini! Che gli è successo?
Il mio giardino è al nord italia, zona USDA 8.
http://www2.dicom.se/fuchsias/eurozoner.html
Non fioriranno mai, figuriamoci fruttificare.
Al sud, invece, si trovano cose del genere:
http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/sebapop/Garden/plants/bananas.jpg
Siamo a Tropea, Calabria. :)
Sebastiano

 Io avrei detto "grandinata", ma sul De Mauro leggo:
Anch'io stavo per scrivere "grandinata", ma poi ho consultato l'Hazon e ho
trovato
grandinata:  hailstorm
grandinio:  fall of hail, shower of hail
Ignorando se le grosse grandine cadute sul povero banano di Sebapop furono
accompagnate di una tempesta o meno, e avendo visto delle grandinate senza
forte vento, ho puntato su grandinio.
(Il mio vocabolario italiano è ancora abbastanza limitato, per cui ricorro
spesso al dizionario e talvolta ne estraggo una parola magari un po'
ampollosa (highfaluting; stilted), raramente usata, o persino sbagliata)
-- 
Xakero

 Non fioriranno mai, figuriamoci fruttificare.
Il tuo banano sembra ancora giovane. Certo che fruttificherà, fra qualche
anno, e in seguito morirà ma delle nuove piante sputeranno dalle radici.
D'inverno, devi proteggerlo dal gelo.
Il mio si trova più al nord del tuo, nel mio pieds-à-terre in Svizzera
(cantone di Valais) -- sono scappato da Phuket la settimana scorsa perché
pioveva troppo --, sembra che sia nella zona USDA 7.
-- 
Xakero

pioveva troppo --, sembra che sia nella zona USDA 7.
Wow, banani del genere in tale zona? Sapevo fossero resistenti, ma non
pensavo fossero così resistenti. Ottimo.
Oh, btw. Phuket. Whoa! What a place.
I checked on 
www.weather.com
 and it seems it's going to rain a lot. ;)
Sebastiano

 mm... I'm getting hungry... :)
oh, thanks a lot :)
and sorry about getting you hungry, lol =)

 I checked on 
www.weather.com
 and it seems it's going to rain a lot. ;)
I soliti monsoni; ci siamo abituati nel sud del paese. Qualche volta
arrivano fino a Bangkok. Passeranno.
Al proposito di Phuket, un Tailandese residente a New York è tornato in
quella città dopo una vacanza a Phuket con una T-shirt stampato "Phuket". I
suoi colleghi gli hanno spiegato la pronuncia americana della parola...
-- 
Xakero

suoi colleghi gli hanno spiegato la pronuncia americana della parola...
LOL
"I love puke". ;)
Sebastiano

 "I love puke". ;)
Puke? No, meglio!
La Ph di "photo", il resto come "bucket"
-- 
Xakero

La Ph di "photo", il resto come "bucket"
Io l'ho sempre pronunciato - in italiano - "puket". Non ho idea, però,
se sia la pronuncia corretta. Ecco il perché di "puke". Ma con la
pronucia americana reale la battuta è ancora più divertente. :)
Sebastiano

 se sia la pronuncia corretta.
Corretto, in tailandese con la p aspirata; la seconda sillaba con tuono piů
basso.
-- 
Xakero

basso.
Ok, grazie. "tono", piů basso. Ma č chiaramente un typo. :)
Sebastiano

 suoi colleghi gli hanno spiegato la pronuncia americana della parola...
LOL
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 "I love puke". ;)
ROTFL!
Do you mean the word or the action??  LOL
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Do you mean the word or the action??  LOL
Neither of them. :)
I love Phuket.
Boy, how am I supposed to talk about this city? :)
I'd love being (in) Phuket right now.
Nope, that won't work.
Mr. Focker and Mrs. Focker, Martha Focker, are in Phuket.
That would have been a great location for the honeymoon of the Fockers
in "Meet the Parents".
Sebastiano

 I'd love being (in) Phuket right now.
I can envision a bunch of hilarious situations:
-Where are you going on vacation?
-Phuket.
-You mean you're not going on vacation after all?
-No, I mean: I'm going to Phuket.
-That's what I said: you're not going?
-No! Phuket! Phuket!
-Okay, okay, let's forget about the whole thing. (But it sure seems like
you *need* a vacation away somewhere.)
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you *need* a vacation away somewhere.)
LOL! And what if the new mayor of Phuked was a guy named Hu?
-Nice to see you. What's happening? 
-Sir, I have the report here about the new mayor of Phuket.
-Great. Lay it on me. 
-Hu is the new mayor of Phuket. 
-Who?
-The new mayor of Phuket.
-Who is the new mayor of what?
-Ho is the new mayor of Phuket.
-That's what I'm asking. Who is the new mayor of that f**ked place?
-Hu.
-I mean the fellow's name. 
-Hu. 
-The guy in... f**kland. 
-Hu. 
-The new mayor of that f**ked place.
-Hu. 
-What's with that fu**ed place! Who is in charge there? 
-Hu is the new mayor of Phuket. 
-Now whaddya' asking me for? 
-I'm telling you Hu is the new mayor is Phuket. 
-Well, I'm asking you. Who is the new mayor of that f**ked place? 
-That's the man's name. 
-That's who's name? 
-Yes. 
-Will you or will you not tell me the name of the new mayor of that
f**ked place? 
-Yes, sir. 
-Yassir? Yassir Arafat is in that f**ked place? I thought he was in
the Middle East. 
-That's correct. 
-Then who is in that f**ked place? 
-Yes, sir. 
-Yassir is in that f**ked place? 
-No, sir. 
-Then who is? 
-Yes, sir. 
-Yassir? 
-No, sir. 
And so on. :)
The original joke:
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George: Condi! Nice to see you. What's happening? 
Condi: Sir, I have the report here about the new leader of China. 
George: Great. Lay it on me. 
Condi: Hu is the new leader of China. 
George: That's what I want to know. 
Condi: That's what I'm telling you. 
George: That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China? 
Condi: Yes. 
George: I mean the fellow's name. 
Condi: Hu. 
George: The guy in China. 
Condi: Hu. 
George: The new leader of China. 
Condi: Hu. 
George: The Chinaman! 
Condi: Hu is leading China. 
George: Now whaddya' asking me for? 
Condi: I'm telling you Hu is leading China. 
George: Well, I'm asking you. Who is leading China? 
Condi: That's the man's name. 
George: That's who's name? 
Condi: Yes. 
George: Will you or will you not tell me the name of the new leader of
China? 
Condi: Yes, sir. 
George: Yassir? Yassir Arafat is in China? I thought he was in the
Middle East. 
Condi: That's correct. 
George: Then who is in China? 
Condi: Yes, sir. 
George: Yassir is in China? 
Condi: No, sir. 
George: Then who is? 
Condi: Yes, sir. 
George: Yassir? 
Condi: No, sir. 
George: Look, Condi. I need to know the name of the new leader of
China. Get me the Secretary General of the U.N. on the phone. 
Condi: Kofi? 
George: No, thanks. 
Condi: You want Kofi? 
George: No. 
Condi: You don't want Kofi. 
George: No. But now that you mention it, I could use a glass of milk.
And then get me the U.N. 
Condi: Yes, sir. 
George: Not Yassir! The guy at the U.N. 
Condi: Kofi? 
George: Milk! Will you please make the call? 
Condi: And call who? 
George: Who is the guy at the U.N? 
Condi: Hu is the guy in China. 
George: Will you stay out of China?! 
Condi: Yes, sir. 
George: And stay out of the Middle East! Just get me the guy at the
U.N. 
Condi: Kofi. 
George: All right! With cream and two sugars. Now get on the phone. 
(Condi picks up the phone.) 
Condi: Rice, here. 
George: Rice? Good idea. And a couple of egg rolls, too. 
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Sebastiano

 George: That's what I want to know. 
<snip>
Ah, but you're probably too young to know the "original" original joke,
done by Bud Abbot and Lou Costello sometime in the 40s, I think. (I wasn't
around quite that far back, but I do remember seeing it replayed many times
on TV.) The Condi/George thing is a take-off on that.
The scene is a baseball game; Abbot and Costello are commenting on the
players. The entire text (and an audio of it - requires RealPlayer) can be
found at
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor4.shtml
The audio link is to the left of the start of the actual text.
This was one of the funniest situations ever, and as it says on that web
site, they performed it live several thousand times. I still laugh when I
hear it.
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hear it.
Thanks for that. Now I need surgery to fix my jaw 'cause I laughed too
much, but it was worth it.
Sebastiano

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This is not the original joke.  This is based on a comedy skit
called "Who's on first?" by Abbott and Costello many many years
ago.
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Almost 10 years ago, I was driving with my sister through San
Francisco, California, and my sister wanted to see the old hippie
district at Haight & Ashbury.  Took a lot of asking of directions
to find the place, but while driving though there we came across
a restaurant named "Phuket."  At the time, I had never heard of
a city named Phuket and I thought it was some hippie humor.
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a city named Phuket and I thought it was some hippie humor.
^_^
Sebastiano

 on TV.) The Condi/George thing is a take-off on that.
"Who's on first?" ! I remember a reference to it also in the movie
"Rainman", where Dustin Hoffman repeats it endlessly... :)
-- 
Maria Luisa C - 25/06/2004 9.59.49, here.
(please, point out my English errors)

 troppo convinto. Anzi, dirò pure che lo sono poco.
Ma non ne sapete proprio un ciufolo di grandine?!
Ciao, FB
-- 
Se dico "siedi!" manca l'oggetto.
Siedo chi? Lei o me?
(da it.cultura.linguistica.italiano)

Ma non ne sapete proprio un ciufolo di grandine?!
No. Io ho sempre usato "grandinata" e mai "grandinio". E non avevo mai
sentito "grandinio" prima del post di Xakero.
Sebastiano

 sentito "grandinio" prima del post di Xakero.
Intervengo appunto perché non ne so proprio un ciufolo.
Mi sa che due frasi possano chiarire la differenza:
- sono stato colto dalla grandinata in mezzo al campo, come un
cretino.
- ascoltare il grandinio sulle finestre procura un piacere sadico, se
pensi ai poveri cristi che stanno fuori senza ombrello.

pensi ai poveri cristi che stanno fuori senza ombrello.
Certo, in una frase del genere ci starebbe. Avrei usato "rumore della
grandine" o il "ticchettio della grandine". Forse "grandinio" lo avrei
usato, se stessi scrivendo, ma forse credendo di inventare una parola.
:D
Sebastiano

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Ho pensato anch'io a questa differenza, ma se vedi le definizioni che ho
riportato... No, un momento: il "grandinio" è un "grandinare fitto e
continuo", e uno non può dire "c'è stato un grandinare"; la "grandinata" è
una "fitta e prolungata *caduta* di grandine".
Forse ci sono. Grazie dell'aiuto.
Ciao, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

 Forse ci sono. Grazie dell'aiuto.
Buono anche questo. Ad ogni buon conto (essendo per legge buoni tutti
i conti), nulla è "inventato" se si capisce in contesto.