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Ciao,
Ho letto in un libro dell'espressioni idiomatiche che per dire "she cleaned the
room with a lick and a promise" si dice "ha pulito la stanza dove passa il
papa." Ma, dai! Non può avere ragione, vero? È una traduzione male?
Ciao,
Ron
USA

È una traduzione male?
[è una cattiva traduzione?]
Dear Ron,
I imagine you found that translation in the book "2001 Italian and
English idioms".
I have never heard either expression, but if it's true that the lick
and the promise refer to doing something superficially, the italian
saying seem senseless. If anything, it should be the opposite: if I
know the pope is going to come in that room, I'll do the cleaning the
best I can, unless 666 is my favourite number. ;o))).
Unfortunately I don't possess books on italian idioms, so I can't give
you any better information.
Ciao
Frank

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Sounds like cleaning the room just enough to pass papa's glance when
he walks by. You know, things chucked under rugs, into cupboards,
blanket pulled up on an unmade bed, that sort of thing. :-)
Loki
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No, no, Lucio, this is another mistake. Do I have to give you another basic
lesson in creative writing? You have already beat the "fool" theme to death
under the name Ow Ouch. When you try to create a different character like Ondra,
you have to not only change the style of writing but also the mindset.
Otherwise, with so many similar patterns between Ow Ouch and Ondra, people will
begin to suspect that the same person is writing under both names.
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Ron....I've wasted enough time on ya !!!!
I'm aware you're Italian....
it's just to be wished that , all the guys
here got that by now !!!!
Only if there was some way I might prove that.
I just wanna point your stupid fake posts out
and dredge your childish-italian errors up !!!!!
Emphasize em !!!!!
 
Ron wrote...
No , no lucio "this" is another
( THAT'S ) ignoramus....
you're talking about above mentioned "mistake o' mines"
Ron wrote....
Do I have to give you ....
Are you brain dead ???
Whatzits ????!!!!!
( Shall I give you ) .... or
( I gotta give you )
Ron wrote ..
( Under the name...)
What the hell are you talking about ??
You've been pretending to be Briton or Yankee ???!!!!
U.S.A. = ( by the name ) 
Ron wrote : 
You have already beat.....
Hey...numskull !!!!
Guess what ?? 
Beat the theme DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL !!!!!!
It's not slang either !!!!!!!!
You should have written ( BEAT THE TOPIC TO DEATH )
and if you was Yankee you would've written : 
YOU HAVE ALREADY BEATEN
Already ...doesn't mean always surely ( GIA ) ...
As well as IN FACT doesn't mean ( INFATTI ) at all
Speaking of wich....
You wrote :
What is the deal with you ? 
In fact you english is atrocious..
Uh...Uh...
As eager as you're to hoax everyone...with your 
stunts , you can't overlook the fact that you're
Italian and you've gotta do away with your
literally Italia-mind attitude....
Well...it turns out that ... 
IN FACT = ANZI .....  not ( INFATTI )
Example....
I don't hate you . In fact , quite the opposite.
or......
He's not gonna be a problem. In fact , he will be
very helpful .
INFATTI = AS MATTER OF FACT
You sound hungry...
Ayuh , as matter of fact I didn't get even a nosh .
As for your stupid post...
You wrote..
You have already beat the theme...
Nope , nope , 
You should have written : 
You beat the theme before....
BEFORE = GIA ( as for concerns about that post )
....
As for the rest...
Your post is stupid..... NOT INCORRECT
I've once give you a reason to think I'm Ow ouch whatever.....????
You would stoop any to any low level
to have them have faith on your fairy tales....!!!!
Even retreating to your pointless feeling of
mistrust and distrust....
You're a jester...!!!!!!!!!
Get a life !!!
Don't you have nothing better to do with your time.
Aren't you suppose to have your nappy changed ??
YOU HAVE ALREADY BEAT THE THEME
doesn't make sense willy nilly !!!
You can't use already like that !!!!
GIA = ALREADY , BY NOW , BEFORE , YET
ALREADY...
You gotta usa already when something went on even before expected..
EXAMPLE ......
He had already gone !!!!
That means that you're surprised to find out that he was not home
when you arrived...because you expected she'd be still there.
AS MATTER OF FACT....it doesn't mean : 
THAT HE HASN'T BEEN STAYING HOME FORMERLY AND SEVERAL TIMES...
you'd use " HE HAD GONE BEFORE ( like this ) " otherwise..
QUESTA COME DIFERENZA
He had already gone = Lui e gia andato ( io pensavi che era ancora qui )
He had gone before ( like this ) = Lui e gia andato via ( in questa modo )
Altre volte ( o una soltanto ) lui gia era andato via prima che te..
THAT MEANS...
"already" doesn't mean at all :
SOMETHING THAT CAME ABOUT FORMERLY.
BY NOW...
You gotta use "BY NOW" when something should have come about before..
always be accostumed with ( SHOULD , WOULD , OUGHT TO , SUPPOSED TO + have )
EXAMPLE : 
 
He should have come back by now . 
LUI DOVEVA ( GIA ) ESERE TORNATO
YET = ( used only in questions ) 
Have you seen your sister yet ?
TU HAI ( GIA ) VISTO LA TUA SORELLA ?
BEFORE...
You gotta use BEFORE when something came about formerly or several times.
EXAMPLE
I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE.
TI HO GIA DETTO...
or....
YOU HAVE BEAT THE THEME BEFORE.
That's why...
YOU CAN'T SAY : 
YOU HAVE ALREADY BEAT ....
If you was Yankee...you wouldn't've mistake this one.
SAYING : YOU HAVE ALREADY BEAT
is as good as SAYING that : 
you're surprised to find out that I beat the theme so soon..
because you expected me to make it LATER..
LIKE THIS..
YOU HAVE BEAT THE THEME BEFORE 
TU HAI GIA ( IN PRECEDENZA ) USATO IL TEMA..
YOU HAVE ALREADY BEAT THE THEME
HAI USATO COMPLETAMENTE IL TEMA DI GIA ( COSI PRESTO)
....PENSAVO CHE FACEVI QUESTO PIU TARDI
You can check that out in your dictionary eejit !!!
Now, you have no excuse !!!!! Own up !!!!
So to me , you're :
 either an ITALIAN JESTER or an ILLITERATE AMERICAN
Suit yourself !!!!
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No Loki, the use of the verb "to run" is not necessary to illustrate that the
"a" in some words may be heard as the article "a." In this case one hears the
verb "to pet" before the article; that is, "I'm going to pet a luma." Without
wanting to overstate the case, you could say that it's sort of a running joke
for locals. Perhaps the fact that "luma" sounds a bit like "puma" has
contributed to the longevity of this rather lame play on words.
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Ron , 
you wrote...
"In this case one hears the verb "to pet" before the article"
I'm aware you have no clue about ENGLISH LANGUAGE..
but try to figurate out what I'm gonna explain to you .
Si = Pronome 
Si lavano , si sente , si vede , si pensa , si dice....
ONE doesn't mean always surely  ( SI ) !!!! got it ??!!
ONE HEARS THE VERB ...does not make sense !!!!!!
Well...I'll elicidate your mind !!!!
ONE = Formal language
You can use "ONE" for the sayings..  AND SAYINGS ONLY
EXAMPLE : 
One should know one's limits
"Si" dovrebero conoscere propi limiti
YOU = general using
YOU CAN SEE THE SEA HERE
"SI" VEDE IL MARE QUI
YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU MIGHT NEED IT
NON "SI" SA QUANDO PUO ESSERE UTILE
THEY = THE PEOPLE , GROUPS
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT OSCARS ON TV
"SI" PARLA DEI OSCARS IN TELEVISIONE
THEY STUDY A LOT IN THAT SCHOOL 
"SI" STUDIA TANTO IN QUELA SCUOLA
WE = when you got to include yourself in the pictures
it's often used with POSSESSIVE FORM
WE STUDY A LOT IN MY SCHOOL
"SI" STUDIA TANTO NEL MIA SCUOLA
PASSIVE = as a general rule you've got to use that 
accustomed to accompany ( SAY , TELL , HOPE , MAKE , THINK , BELIEVE et cetera )
She is said to be a rascal
"SI" DICE CHE LEI SIA UNA PESTE
A way of life that was thought to be vanished in the 800's
MODO DI VIVERE CHE "SI" PENSAVA FOSSE SPARITO DA 1800
Good violins were made in Venice
"SI" COSTRUIVANO BUONI VIOLINO IN VENEZIA
you can't say : 
 
In this case one hears the verb "to pet" before the article;
you should have written..
IN THIS CASE THE VERB " TO PET " IS HEARD BEFORE THE ARTICLE
or , better yet : 
IN THIS CASE YOU CAN HEAR THE VERB "TO PET" BEFORE THE ARTICLE..
You're gonna hand the proof you're not American to us in a silver platter !!!!
It's not gonna lead you anywhere...just own up !!!
And try to acquire the skill from your mates.......
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 Frank
Maybe it's more irony because the Pope will probably never pass there.
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 > >passa il papa." Ma, dai! Non può avere ragione, vero?
Maybe the intention was to convey the similarity to the feint ceremonial
wave of the hand a catholic priest (or pope) gives now and then. I'm
thinking of when the wine is blessed for example.  But the italian
translation doesn't say that.
Rick

Uhm, pulire "dove passa il papa" significa pulire perfettamente solo
dove si sa che verrà visto dall'ospite. Nelle città avviene proprio
così: il percorso pontificio viene ripulito e abbellito, a volte con
interventi di facciata.
Però se ci riferiamo ad una stanza sola, dire che viene pulita come se
dovesse passare il papa, indica che quella stanza è stata
meticolosamente pulita (e il resto della casa lasciato sporco).
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OK ... now I see it's 'il Papa', same diff though. :-)
Cheers,
Loki
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