Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: ...americanismi???

Non riesco a togliermi da tempo questi dubbi....ritrovo spesso certe parole
ricorrenti, sopratutto in titoli o testi di canzoni ma di cui  non riesco a
trovare il significato nel dizionario inglese e quindi presumo siano termini
dello slang americano...potete aiutarmi?
1. 'cos: ad esempio nella frase "is it 'cos i'm cool
2. lotta: ad esempio nella frase "whole lotta love" (dei Led Zeppelin)
3. e infine termini molto ricorrenti come wanna e gonna....ok ok capisco che
derivano da volere e andare (almeno spero ^_^) ma il significato preciso?
Mi sapreste tradurre termini e frasi?
grazie davvero

 derivano da volere e andare (almeno spero ^_^) ma il significato preciso?
I wanna have a cup of coffee = I want to have a....
Vuole dire: Voglio prendere un caffč.
I'm gonna have a cup of coffee = I am going to have a...
Vuole dire: Intendo prendere un caffč.

Mi sapreste tradurre termini e frasi?
wanna : want to / wants to
gonna : going to
-- 
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gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
If I were a fuzzy wuzzy bear
3 would be a perfect square

 gonna : going to
outta = out of
gotta = have/has got to
ma come si pronunciano? (mole volte sento il suono /gora/)

 wanna : want to / wants to
Anche "wants to"?
Ciao, FB
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can tell me why a man who possesses one of the most brilliant minds of this
century can't say his prepositions or articles".
(Murder by Death)

 gotta = have/has got to
I think you have to keep the "s" in "he*'s* gotta".
The OP might want to know * that these forms are not to be used in every
context.
* Could I have said "The OP wants to know that..."
Bye, FB
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 A whole lot of love. Un sacco dell'amore
Forse volevi dire "un sacco d'amore", ossia "molto amore", vero?
:-))

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Magari esiste il "sacco dell'amore": si mettono dentro due persone e...
succede quel che succede.
Ciao, FB
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 I think you have to keep the "s" in "he*'s* gotta".
In BrE, credo. In AmE gotta e affini spesso includono anche l'ausiliare.
Dipende da quello che uno dice. Guardando film e TV in lingua originale,
sento praticamente sempre gotta e non have gotta o 've gotta. E, se il
dubbio fossero le mie orecchie, nella stragrande maggioranza dei
sottotitoli quando dicono gotta scrivono gotta e non 've gotta, 's gotta.
Sebastiano
-- 
Jack Bauer : George, as crazy as this may sound, you're going to have to
trust me. 

 Anche "wants to"?
He wanna go		he wants to go.
she wanna dive		she wants to dive
it wanna pee		it wants to pee.
Sebastiano
-- 
Todd : Show Todd some love.
[high fives J.D., who winces in pain]
J.D. : [thinking] I hate showing Todd love. 

 succede quel che succede.
ROTFL

 sottotitoli quando dicono gotta scrivono gotta e non 've gotta, 's gotta.
"I gotta go" ==> O.K.
"He gotta go" ==> O.K.? Sure?
Bye, FB
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 "He gotta go" ==> O.K.? Sure?
Adesso mi fai venire il dubbio sulla terza persona. Io non direi mai "I've
gotta go", ma "I gotta go". Ma, in terza persona, non mi suona strano "he's
gotta go". Ma nemmeno "he gotta go", anche se mi suona meglio con la esse.
Direi che "he's gotta go" è più comune, ma che comunque "he gotta go" si
trova.
Sebastiano
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"gotta" and "wanna" are just contractions of "got to" and "want to". They
occur naturally in American English when people speak quickly. They are not
common in the UK. British English tends to stress the "t" in "to", so the
words remain separate. In American English, there is a strong tendency for
any "t" that occurs between vowels to soften into a "d" sound: "butter" =
"budder", for example. Also, "t" following "n" has a tendency to become
silent: "I want it" = "I wan' it". British English carefully pronounces the
"t", so that "I want it" and " I wan tit" sound similar. When the softened
or silent "t" occurs between words in American English, the words often run
together and are perceived as a single word.
"t" and "d" between words can affect pronuciation of other consonants in
American English (this is called assimilation):
have to = "hafta" (the "v" becomes unvoiced because the "t" is unvoiced)
did you = "didja" (the "y" becomes voiced because the "d" is voiced)
had to = "hadda" (as with "gotta", the voiced "d" assimilates the unvoiced
"t")
You should use the auxiliary verbs with "gotta" and "wanna":
I've gotta go
He's gotta go
We've gotta go
You've gotta go
They've gotta go
You will often hear "I gotta go", but this is another result of rapid
speech. The "v" in "I've" is very weak compared to the "g" in "gotta". It
can disappear completely. Some speakers always say "I gotta go", others only
say that when they are in a hurry. If you say "I gotta go" it sounds
uneducated. In fact, "gotta" and "wanna" can sound uneducated in some
contexts, but they are widespread in American usage.
You may also hear "he gotta go" in rap music. Dropping the "s" in "he's" is
common in Black American English. If you talk this way, people will
understand you, but they will think it sounds odd coming from a non-native
speaker.

 it wanna pee it wants to pee.
Most people would not use "wanna" this way. When I say:
"I want to go" = "I wanna go"
the two "t" sounds in "want" and "to" tend to be united into one sound,
which is absorbed by the stronger voiced "n" sound in "want" (assimilation).
So the "t" sound disappears altogether. When I say "He wants to go", the
final sound in "wants" is "s". The "s" and the "t" in "to" do *not* tend to
be combined into one sound in American English, so "wants to" continues to
be spoken and heard as two separate words. Same for the other examples.
These examples do occur in black American English. I read somewhere that in
some African languages there is no distinction in form between first and
third persons in present tense. I don't know if that's true, but there is a
strong tendency in black American English to not use "is" as a helper verb,
and to drop the contraction:
"He goes to the store" or "He is going to the store" or "He's going to the
store" = "He go to the store".
So, in standard American English:
"He wants to go"
becomes in black American English
"He want to go" = "He wanna go"
by the same phonetic assimilation process. If the "s" in "wants" were
preserved in black American English, I don't think "wanna" would occur in
these examples.
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 Forse volevi dire "un sacco d'amore", ossia "molto amore", vero?
Oops 

 contexts, but they are widespread in American usage.
Your post offers a very clear and accurate explanation. I would add that, 
although the usage is widespread in the US, it is still informal phrasing 
and should be avoided if you want to trick people into believing that you're 
educated.

In my opinion we forgot about:
"Shoulda= should've"
What's more one day I read a sentence which said: "If you WANTA know...".

 speaker.
Yes, after FB pointed that out I gave it some thought, and with the third
singular person I would always use the auxiliary verb.
Sebastiano
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Hannibal : B.A., there's an old saying - "The best defense is a good
offense."
B.A. Baracus : You got that wrong, man. A good offense is the best defense.
Hannibal : Okay, have it your way. 

common in the UK. 
I've read all of what you've wrote and I'm in agreement with you
expect for the statement above. "Gotta" and "wanna" are very common in
BritEng and the "T" isn't pronounced. I'd say "gotta" like "godda" but
I wouldn't say "better" like "bedder". Maybe it's just in slang we
talk like you :)

 educated.
Really, you would think I am not educated if you were to hear me saying to
a *friend of mine*, "I gotta go, sorry."? I agree with you that it sounds
uneducated, but context is everything.
Sebastiano
-- 
[the assassin Sark is introduced as an ally]
Marshall : Hi. Welcome. Don't kill me. 

 24 ?
Yeah. :)
Sebastiano
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Todd : [to J.D., about Elliot] So, what are her breasts like?
Elliot : Todd, I'm right here.
Todd : Oh, sorry... So, what are your breast like? 

 uneducated, but context is everything.
Do they say "I've got to go" in American English, or is "I've godda go"
(pronunciation, of course) the clearest way they say it?
Bye, FB
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mi fa venire i conati.
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 no doubt about that.
Indicating that you are well aware of the difference. In a way, having
internalized the correct forms gives you more options - you have license to
be very informal when it's appropriate, or more formal when it's not. But to
get that flexibility, a learner has to be very clear on what the standard
is.
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Anche "wants to"?
um. forse no.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
I'm not left-handed either.

I've read all of what you've wrote
I've read all of what you've written

 uneducated, but context is everything.
As I mentioned, it's informal phrasing and therefore appropriate when
talking to a friend. Regarding the desire 'to trick people into believing
that you're educated', the 'trick' should have alerted you that the comment
was tongue-in-cheek. In any case, if you say 'I gotta go' at an important
job interview you're contributing to being allowed just that privilege.

 In any case, if you say 'I gotta go' at an important job interview you're contributing to being allowed just that privilege.
I pondered over your sentence some thirty seconds, but eventually I
laughed. This goes straight among my tag-lines.
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 job interview you're contributing to being allowed just that privilege.
I agree. :)
Sebastiano
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you having a good time?
J.D. : Actually, it's a roll of quarters.
[takes out roll of quarters]
J.D. : Laundry day. 

 clamorosi non ne ricordo, in originale dev'essere meglio, DVD?
Lo dici perché non l'hai sentito in inglese. La voce di Kiefer Sutherland
(che interpreta Jack Bauer) è fenomenale, ho sentito 5 minuti in italiano e
con la voce doppiata perde *tutta* la sua forza. Tremendo.
Ho i DVD americani, ho visto le prime due stagioni. La terza, già finita
anche su Sky Italia, me la sono persa per vari motivi. In dicembre esce il
DVD R1 e lo prenderò sicuramente, in modo da esser pronto per partire con
la quarta stagione in "diretta-differita" con gli USA.
Sebastiano
-- 
Hannibal : Murdock, how'd I ever let you talk me into this?
Murdock : I don't know; I have intermittent memory loss. 

 is.
Well, that's for sure.
Sebastiano
-- 
[While inspecting a suspicious mole on the Janitor's penis]
J.D. : Hmm... it looks benign.
Janitor : Yeah, 'bout nine, nine and half. 

(che interpreta Jack Bauer) è fenomenale
So, as Simpsons would say "He's embiggened that role with his
cromulent performance." :-)
'bye

 cromulent performance." :-)
^_^
Sebastiano
-- 
[An alarm will go off in 15 seconds if set off]
Vaughn : So you said you could disarm it in under 20 seconds, how far under
20?
Sydney : I work better under pressure. 

 (pronunciation, of course) the clearest way they say it?
Thanks for the "welcome back" but I'm only here sporadically until my DSL
is restored. Don't even *ask* about it.
For you, who have your ears eternally pricked, I will say yes, it's more
like "I've gadda go" than "I've gotta go."
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Still on a temporary account. Now I've lost the DSL altogether.
Using DIALUP!