Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Translation into (business) Italian

I (urgently) need to translate the following message into Italian. The terms
are technical and are related to agriculture (grain storage). Can anybody
help me with this? This is the message:
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Hello,
I faxed through an order for some replacement parts last week: one screw,
one gear unit, one hexagonal rung and one pinion. I would be very grateful
if you could tell me what is happening with this order please.
Best regards,
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Short, but sweet. Thanks! Zz

 if you could tell me what is happening with this order please.
Nelle lettere d'affari inglesi (americane direi di no) non si direbbe "I
should be very grateful if you could tell me..."?
Ciao, FB

 niente con quanto chiedi.
Thanks!
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 the original order."
"Vi ho spedito un ordine di/(per?) alcuni ricambi il 1aprile. Vogliate
darmi contezza dello stato del mio ordine. 
Allego una copia dell'ordine."
Mi sembra che possa andare.
Bye, FB

 "Vi ho spedito un ordine di/(per?) alcuni ricambi
Direi "per". Con "di" sembra che sia tu a spedire la merce.
Ciao, FB

 Mi sembra che possa andare.
FB. Butta via Dialog. Non presenta correttamente, negli header, i 
riferimenti ai post precedenti il tuo e a cui tu rispondi. Cosi diventa 
difficile andare a recuperare il messaggio originale!
P.
-- 
Passo lento, disinvolto e spensierato degli alpini che marciano
cantando sotto le parabole successive e accanite degli shrapnels. 

 difficile andare a recuperare il messaggio originale!
Non ne so niente. Henryco?
Ciao, FB

Thank you very much FB!
Zz
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che indicano, rispettivamente, il primo messaggio di Zz, la risposta di FB e la
successiva risposta di Zz.
Max

Best regards,
Boy, I didn't know you could ask for a replacement for a bad screw. ;)
Anyway I am a disaster when it comes to formal Italian.
If I had ordered something and I needed to know what happened to my
order I would write an e-mail like this:
Spett.le "nome ditta",
		      Sono [name of who ordered] [job] della [name of
the company] (e.s. Sono Tizio Rossi addetto alle vendite della Screw
YOU INC] e ho ordinato via fax alcuni pezzi di ricambio in data "date
when you sent the fax" per il macchinario "machinery model" : una
vite, un ingranaggio, una ??? (what's a hexagonal rung? I know what's
a ring - as in o-ring, so I can imagine an hexagonal ring, but,
knowing the meaning of rung, as a noun, I can't get what it is in the
list you wrote, I've never heard of hexagonal steps) e un pignone.
Vorrei sapere lo stato dell'ordine.
Allego copia del fax da me inviato.
Ringraziando anticipatamente per la cortese attenzione colgo
l'occasione per porgere distinti saluti.
Firma
Allegare la copia del fax, serve per velocizzare le cose nel caso che
il fax sia andato perduto.
Ho un dubbio, ma il fax che hanno inviato, era in italiano o in
inglese? Se era in inglese, significa che l'inglese lo capiscono, se
era in italiano, allora puoi trovare i corrispondenti degli articoli
che ha ordinato. Se tali articoli hanno un numero di catalogo, è
opportuno indicarlo. Vite, come screw, è un termine generico e anche
applicato ad un macchinario in particolare non aiuta per niente,
perché un macchinario di viti ne ha in gran quantità e tutte diverse.
Quindi il rischi è che, in questo contesto, il termine screw indichi
qualcosa di più specifico. E lo stesso per gli altri. Gli ingranaggi
hanno dentature diverse, diametri diversi. E anche i pignoni non sono
tutti uguali.
Sebastiano
-- 
No wonder people say "gesundheit" when you say "Tchaikovsky".

 e un pignone.
ah quante cose che ignoro (anche in italiano...) ^_^

ah quante cose che ignoro (anche in italiano...) ^_^
Perché pensi che io sappia *esattamente* cosa sia un pignone? ^_^ So
che č un ingranaggio. Era una roba che avevo fatto cambiare nel mio
Ciao per andare piů veloce, perdendo perň in ripresa. :)
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 Ciao per andare piů veloce, perdendo perň in ripresa. :)
ahahah suona strano perň "mi cambi il pignone?" :-))

ahahah suona strano però "mi cambi il pignone?" :-))
Naa, ti suona strano perché pensi alle pigne. Non suona per niente
strano. Quando i miei amici parlano di moto - io non ci capisco un
tubo - saltan fuori termini ancora più ostici. Me ne ricordassi uno.
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 tubo - saltan fuori termini ancora più ostici. Me ne ricordassi uno.
so do my friends, they're always talking about bikes and cars, I can't bear
them >_<
And for the reason I'm not willing to pay attention to their discussions I
just pretend to
hear and sometimes, just to show my commitment and to prove them I'm not
absent minded
I comment their empty talks with exclamations such as "ohhh! davvero? wow,
bellissimo!"
lol

bellissimo!"
You're doing great. To be perfect you need to learn to nod your head
knowingly while pretending to listen to your friends's babbling about
automobiles, bikes or any motorized gizmo those motormouths may be
rattling on about. ;)
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Anyway I am a disaster when it comes to formal Italian.
"Maledetti,
voglio la mia roba ORA, altrimenti vengo lě e vi brucio il negozio."
Se non ti denunciano, funziona. : )
saluti,
Peltio

Se non ti denunciano, funziona. : )
Vero. :)
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 propenderei per la moto.
ma Zz aveva detto: "The terms are technical and are related to agriculture
(grain storage)"
magari per andare da un silo a un altro usano moto italiane... ;-P
-- 
Maria Luisa C - 13/04/04 19.37.34, here.

magari per andare da un silo a un altro usano moto italiane... ;-P
LOL
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 "Hexagonal ring" sarebbe la base del raggio.
rung è anche raggio di bicicletta (madonna io lo odio questo rung >_<)

 Sebastiano
exactly how a well experienced knowing person like you would do :-)
Haven't you ever happened to nod off at a glance while nodding? ;)

rung č anche raggio di bicicletta (madonna io lo odio questo rung >_<)
Really? I didn't know that. See? You always learn "sumpin'"!
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Haven't you ever happened to nod off at a glance while nodding? ;)
Yes. You got me, I'm a nodder! ;)
Once, while I was nodding, I saw a guy who was nodding too and he
nodded off in a wink, but then he woke up the next instant, so I
realized that he wasn't nodding off, he was nodding out! Poor guy.
'Smack ain't good', I told him.
He nodded in agreement.
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 Boy, I didn't know you could ask for a replacement for a bad screw. ;)
Bellissimo! Direi che dipenda dall'eta'. Si sei un giovanotto, bastano
dieci minuti. Molti anni dopo, "O dio mio, ancora una serata alla Scala
di Milano, la cena, le candele.....e perche"?" Ancora molti anni dopo,
"Meglio ascoltare Mahler."
-- 
"The past resembles the future as water resembles water"  Ibn Khaldun
My .
mac.com
 address is a spam sink.
If you wish to email me, try atlothian at blueyonder dot co dot uk

 Really? I didn't know that. See? You always learn "sumpin'"!
Totally in agreement with you, I always learn something here (even because
it's the only place I can practice my English, school doesn't give me the
opportunity
to learn much... :(((   )
By reading your posts I understand what my mistakes are and I try to correct
them.
Now as you can see I got a little confidence and I write more messages (I
was
scared to death to make mistakes, y'know... I didn't know you at all :-) )

 rung č anche raggio di bicicletta (madonna io lo odio questo rung >_<)
Not that I know of - raggio di bicicletta is a "spoke".
Where did you find that translation?
The only meaning I can think of for rung as a noun is "piolo", as other
people have said.
-- 
Mary

Where did you find that translation?
Webster: 
www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=rung
As a noun:
1 a : a rounded part placed as a crosspiece between the legs of a
chair b : one of the crosspieces of a ladder
2 Scottish : a heavy staff or cudgel
3 : a spoke of a wheel
4 : a level in a hierarchy <rise a few rungs on the social scale -- H.
W. Van Loon> 
I guess that 'rung' means 'spoke' only in American English. I have to
say that I have never heard that meaning, even though I am focused on
AmE. I have never talked about bikes, though. But I knew the meaning
of 'spoke'. I don't know if 'rung' with that meaning is very common.
Well, now I know that a spoke, a rung and a radius are the same thing,
and when it comes to ladders, a spoke, a rung and a rundle are the
same thing. :)
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 I guess that 'rung' means 'spoke' only in American English. 
I just checked the Collins (UK) dictionary, which I was too lazy to do
before, and apparently in GB, "rung" means a spoke of a *ship's* wheel.
No mention of bikes.
-- 
Mary

 Well, now I know that a spoke, a rung and a radius are the same thing
A radius is a mathematical measurement (half the diameter), not a spoke.
-- 
Mary

was scared to death to make mistakes, y'know... I didn't know you at all :-) )
Well, I'm happy you decided to write more. There's no need to fear,
Underdog is here. Don't bother, it's a funny line from Scrubs. :)
There's no need to be scared of making mistakes. We're all here to
learn.
Anyway, I don't know if what I am about to say is correct, but if I
read "I was scared to death to make mistakes" I think that you *have*
to make mistakes, but you are scared for whatever reason. If I read "I
was scared to death of making mistakes" I think that you are afraid
*of* making mistakes, so you don't want to make them, because making
them is bad.
No, I see I didn't make myself clear.
"to be scared (to death) *to* do something" means that you *have to*
do that *something* but you are scared because you don't know how to
do that, or whatever. You are scared and because of this fear you are
unable to do that *something*
"to be scared (to death) *of* doing something" means that you *must
not* do that *something* but you are scared because you don't know how
to avoid doing that or you don't know what would happen if you do
that, or whatever.
In fact, you say "I was too scared to move" - "ero troppo spaventato
per muovermi" and "I was too scared of moving" "avevo troppa paura di
muovermi".
The same with nouns.
I am too scared of snakes to be out there
Ho troppa paura dei serpenti per star fuori
I am too scared to hunt them
Ho troppa paura per cacciarli.
So, "ho paura di" is "I am scared *of*", and if you are afraid of an
action, you have to use the -ing form, as in "I am scared of making
mistakes".
"I was too scared to make mistakes" means that you were not making
mistakes becase you were so scared - about what, we don't know - and
so you couldn't make mistakes.
I hope I make myself clear.
And I hope that if I wrote bullshit some native English speaker - or
someone more keen on grammar than me - would come here to clean up the
mess in order to clear up the matter.
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No mention of bikes.
So I guess that it's indeed only an American term.
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A radius is a mathematical measurement (half the diameter), not a spoke.
It is in American English, I guess. And of course the first meaning is
the mathematical one.
Definition:
 
1 [n]  one of the crosspieces that form the steps of a ladder 
2 [n]  support consisting of a radial member of a wheel joining the
hub to the rim 
 
Synonyms:
 
radius, rundle, rung
I thought that 'rung' could be synonym, at least in AmE, for both the
meanings. 'Rundle' is a synonym only of the first meaning, and
'radius'? I though - withouth checking on other dicionaries - that its
meaning was closer to the second one of 'spoke' than to the first one.
A wheel is a circle and a spoke is, more or less, one of its radius
(half the diameter).
I didn't check before, but here it is:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=radius
4 A radial part or structure, such as a mechanically pivoted arm or
the spoke of a wheel.
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 Where did you find that translation?
I'll copy what I found on my dictionary (un semplicissimo sei, niente di
che)
rung: s. piolo; (fig.) gradino.  Traversina di sedia (non so cosa sia in
italiano, però lo cito ugualmente).
        raggio (di ruota)

 mess in order to clear up the matter.
that's what I hope too, that kind people like you will be always keen to
correct the mistakes I happen to write :)

 I don't watch scrubs :))))
The reference in "Scrubs" is to the cartoon character "Underdog".
http://www.wickedcoolstuff.com/unst.html
Joe from Massachusetts


Tutto giusto .
Nei tuoi essempii , 'troppo' non e mica di troppo , ma indispensabile ; 'I
am too scared to do something' , never  'I am scared to do something' ; ma
non e lo stesso in italiano ? si puo dire 'Ho paura per cacciare i serpenti'
?
Mike

il Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:45:57 GMT, FB ha scritto:
One could also add 'sprigati!' but that might be too familiar :-). I
suppose "urgente' would be more neutral.
-- 
              O      __
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     /__ \   | \   /  |
    O  /  \ /   \./   |       Loki
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 No mention of bikes.
re. 'rungs' I've only used it for the rungs of a ladder, these are
usually round dowel as opposed to 'steps' on a ladder. I could see
how an old ship's steering wheel was made of the same round spokes
which could account for that. I see it comes from archaic Scot = a
heavy staff or cudgel. oh and there are chair rungs too. :-)
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Englightening examlples, really
Ottimo. :)
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http://www.wickedcoolstuff.com/unst.html
Have you heard the song? Marvellous.
http://wavthis.com/U/Underdog.zip
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 si puo dire 'Ho paura per cacciare i serpenti' ?
Nope. Ho troppa paura per cacciare i serpenti.
Thanks.
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 suppose "urgente' would be more neutral.
Or "celere", "solerte", "datti una mossa, idiota!".
Ciao, FB

 Ottimo. :)
perfect =)

Do you really want to leave us alone, even for a little while? :)))
No. I won't climb anymore. It's not that I don't trust you, my friend,
but I do not trust you *with* the hottie. ;)
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 Sebastiano
why, I'm so fair =))))))))))

 messages, so I didn't want to show up. :)
Also "more prepared than I was" (in case B&M doesn't know it). 
"Prepared"? It seems it can't be used this way.
Bye, FB

why, I'm so fair =))))))))))
Well, I'm not. ;)
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"Prepared"? It seems it can't be used this way.
Damn this false friend. I used it because he used it.
It should be, for example, competent.
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 Damn this false friend. I used it because he used it.
So, I think it's all *his* fault.
Bye, FB

 Well, I'm not. ;)
I was just kidding *g*

 It should be, for example, competent.
I should have written "experienced", I recognize it's my fault =)


Ci ho ripensato ! Ti ho fatto torto - ti prego di scusarmi ! E piuttosto
imbarazzante per me - inglese e professore di inglese ! - ma devo
riconoscere di aver risposto troppo in fretta : e certamente possibile dire
'scared to do something' . Comunque , non e facile trovare una spiegazione
che sia valida in tutti i casi ; ho passato due ore a interrogare mia
famiglia ed i miei amici , senza raggiungere un consenso generale . I'll
post a few thoughts later , ma sara in inglese ; non credo che il mio
italiano sia all'altezza del compito !
Mike

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Send La Celere :-)
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italiano sia all'altezza del compito !
English works just fine. Your Italian is great.
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 Ah, forse ho capito. "Hexagonal ring" sarebbe la base del raggio.
No, no. Proprio raggio.
Ma oramai è acquaragia passata.
saluti,
Peltio

Ma oramai č acquaragia passata.
Yes. :)
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