Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Dubbio!

Cari iclingons,
Ho un piccolo dubbio su una traduzione.
Credo che il modo corretto di dire "Questo e' quanto vogliono
che io scriva" sia "That's what they want me to write".
Se invece volessi dire "Questo e' quanto vogliono che
sia scritto", come devo fare???
Credo non riusciro' a prender sonno :-)
saluti
Gennaro
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Secondo me la prima frase e' corretta.  Per la seconda io direi
"That's what they want written"
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 "That's what they want written"
Ma "that's what they want to be written" è sbagliato?
Perché-é?
Ciao
Anna

La prima traduzione è giusta.
La seconda e' : "That's what they want to be written".
ciao
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 Credo non riusciro' a prender sonno :-)
prenderò sonno per te ma non sognerò di te.
Ciao
Martino

 Perché-é?
Scusa, ma per questa domanda devo rispondere in inglese. Non ho abbastanza tempo
per scrivere in italiano.
My first response would be to ask if the original Italian sentence is good
grammar. My knowledge of Italian is fledgling so I leave that evaluation to
other readers. In any case, it appears to me to be a passive construction
without a clear subject, io, tu, lui, lei, or Lei. This forces the English
translation to maintain the same vague passive quality. I don't have a problem
with passive construction in appropriate situations, but here the meaning is
unclear.
You can use the passive construction "that's what they want to be written" when
referring to the actual written text, but it doesn't sound very good. Saying
"that's what they want written" (when referring to the action) is better
English, but is still rather weak construction. It is better to say "that's what
they want one to write." It's more common to say "you to write," or "them to
write" but such a translation contains more information than the original
sentence.
On the other hand, if you say "that's what they want to have written" then you
are changing both the construction and the meaning. This sentence is also weak;
the subject is unclear and the sentence may mean different things. In this case,
you don't know the subject of the clause or whether it refers to a future or
past action. The sentence may mean (essentially) "that's what they want to see
written on the paper when you submit it" or it may mean "that's what they wish
they had written at the time that they wrote it."
Tutto chiaro? :-)
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 prenderò sonno per te ma non sognerò di te.
Allora, capisco, stai dormendo! :-)
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Perché-é?
Anna, I don't think it's incorrect.  It just sounds a bit strange to me.
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Martino
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USA
ciao
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Innanzitutto ringrazio tutti per le veloci risposte!
Poi..
La situazione e' questa: stavo riempendo un modulo che
in alcuni punti va compilato con delle frasi 'standard'.
Il Chief Officer che mi era vicino mi ha chiesto il
motivo per il quale stavo scrivendo il modulo in quel
modo, ed io gli ho risposto (in inglese): "Questo e' quanto
[coloro che leggeranno il modulo compilato] vogliono che
sia scritto".
Ovviamente in inglese ho detto la frase che mi e' venuta
spontaneamente alla mente, e cioe' "That's what they
want to be written".
Appena l'ho detta, pero', 'sta "that's what they want to be
written" mi sembrava davvero brutta, ed ho deciso che era
grammaticalmente scorretta.
Dopo avervi letto, capisco che in effetti la frase non e'
scorretta ma a quanto pare non piace proprio a nessuno!!
Visto che (credo) il contesto non lascia dubbi sul significato
della frase, si possa usare "That's what they want written" ma
devo ammettere che neanche questa mi suona tanto bene.
Forse la risposta migliore e' proprio: "That's what they want
to see written".
Oppure "Mind your own business", chissa': semplice, diretta
e senza nessun problema di traduzione... :-)))
di nuovo grazie a tutti (arianna, anna, ron, gabriele, martin,
sara)
saluti
Gennaro
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 sound very good.
I suspect that its sounding odd (which is what Arianna too commented)
might not have to do with the passive construction itself, but with the
fact that we're forcing the subject of the infinitival clause to be a
relative pronoun.
What if we try to turn the sentence
 I want Mary to come back
into a relative or interrogative clause, such as
 Who do I want to come back?
 Mary is the person I want to come back?
Aren't these sentences ungrammatical?
They don't sound very good to me (but my English intuitions aren't worth
being taking into account).
Max

 Marty?
Forse che Marty voleva dire:
"This is all that they wished to have been recorded"?
But why does he use the past tense of "wish", when the original sentence was
in the present?
Ciao
Anna

 Tutto chiaro? :-)
Abbastanza! :-)
Grazie Ron.
Ciao
Anna

 Anna, I don't think it's incorrect.  It just sounds a bit strange to me.
Thanks, Ari.
The Italian sentence is indefinite, as Ron pointed out, but it seems to be
clearer than in English.
Ciao
Anna

 e senza nessun problema di traduzione... :-)))
Londra? :-))
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 being taking into account).
I always advise to trust intuition and just cop to it (admit it) when it's
wrong.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 Anna, I don't think it's incorrect.  It just sounds a bit strange to me
Dear Lady Ann,
Merely to say that whilst unable to give an exact grammatical explanation
with which to answer your query - and in any event, others have already done
so- I would agree with Arianna and confirm that "That's what they want to be
written" just doesn't sound quite right.
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e che ne diresti di "This is what one is expected to write"?
Dato il contesto orale e non molto formale, mi sembra più sciolta.
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 Anna

 `E l'italiano buono?
Sě, č in buon italiano. Even in this case "quanto" could be replaced by
"quello che" or "ciň che".
Hope this isn't too confusing! I better stop here...
Ciao
Anna

 Anna
Ieri ho visto una macchina decapotabile rossa accesa con la targa "K
BELLA 6."
Ancora Grazie Mille,
Marty