Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: To know from

Is "to know from" only an Jewish-American thing, borrowed, I understand,
mainly by New Yorkers?
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 mainly by New Yorkers?
Contesto?
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 mainly by New Yorkers?
I believe so. See also "The Joy of Yiddish" about yiddishisms
used in (US / New York) English.
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I wasn't thinking of a sentence. You can say "I don't know from that",
which means "I know nothing about that". I don't know whether you can also
say "I know something from that" or "I know little from that". Anyway, I
gather it is, after all, only a Jewish-American thing borrowed by some
other American people.
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I know from experience that it's not only *a*   Jewish-American thing.
Is that want you meant o non ho capito io la domanda?  Ho paura di non
aver capito bene (zucconcella!)
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ari

 Is that want you meant o non ho capito io la domanda?
The latter. Try to google up <"know from" Jewish>.
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 I know from experience 
That's why you should always give context, FB - I immediately thought of
the same thing.
I've never heard "I don't know from that" meaning "I know nothing about
that", and I shouldn't think it's very common, because I only found 3/4
hits with Google.
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With <"don't know from" Jewish> you'll find more, explanatory, occurrences.
As I've said, I wasn't thinking of a sentence I'd come across. The fact is
that today I read a post which said that Italians usually know more about
classical music than Americans; I felt like replying "Well, I don't know
from Americans, but...", and I found myself unable to think of any
other/better way of saying it.
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 from Americans, but...", and I found myself unable to think of any
But what did  you mean?
"I don't know about Americans"?
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Mary

 "I don't know about Americans"?
Yes, "I don't know about the Americans' relation with classical music,
but...".
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but...".
..Americans' relationship with..


Having grown up in New York with many Jewish neighbors and friends, I
would definitely that "don't know from"
is definitely a Yiddishism, but I think its use with people is rare,
as in your example, "I don't know from Americans", although I think
that "I don't know from American (Italian) would be common.
It is used to replace "I don't know anything about..." (from "ich
weiss nicht von..", in German, through Yiddish, to English).
People often say "You don't know from nothing", not realizing that the
origin of the phrase is Yiddish, but most other uses of the phrase
have not entered the colloquial language.
"I don't know from Brie, I only eat cream cheese".
"I don't know from Volvo, I drive an American car."
"I don't know from books, I only read the newspaper".
"I don't know from big words, I only finished the eighth grade".
Joe from Massachusetts

 as in your example, "I don't know from Americans"
I suspected as much. It seems to me it's used only in the negative, isn't
it?
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 ..Americans' relationship with..
Thanks. I did muse over the choice between the two. 
relation ==> connection
relationship ==> rapport
Right? My hunch is that they overlap sometimes. Am I right?
QUOTE (Dizionario Picchi, Hoepli)
"is there any relationship between these two subjects?"
UNQUOTE
Couldn't you say "is there any relation between the two subjects?"?
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 Couldn't you say "is there any relation between the two subjects?"?
I guess so (yes, I'm replying to myself). It's just occurred to me that you
can say "there bears no relation between x and y". 
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No.
"My son knows from cars, so you should take his advice".
"Now I know from kosher, so I don't take the kids to the deli for
lunch, because they like a glass of milk with their sandwiches".
"I know from borscht about computers, so I always give him a ring when
I have problems".
"I know from bagels. This is a doughnut".
I don't think you will hear such expressions very often. Possibly on
"Friends", but I can't think of anything I heard there.
Joe from Massachusetts

 "Friends", but I can't think of anything I heard there.
I see. Do you agree with Mary that I'd be better off never using it? I find
it nice.
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can say "there bears no relation between x and y". 
Indeed you can.


You use such expressions, just as you would the dialect, in
appropriate situations, when you think you will be understood. My
sister often uses Yiddishisms, because she still lives in the New York
area, and works with many Jewish people. She knows I understand them,
even though we are not Jewish.
I never hear such phrases in the area where I live, and I would never
use them here.
Geto capio, vecio?  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 Geto capio, vecio?  :>)
Hoo capě ([u ka'pi], "ho capito"). It's Milanese.
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 can say "there bears no relation between x and y".
The usual expression is "x bears no relation to y".
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 finger at me in admonishment. He didn't have to say a word.
By the way, it's very American to have milk at lunch or dinner, isn't it? I
drink a lot of milk, but I'd never have, say, some lasagne or ravioli and
drink milk.
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