Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: alcune informazioni

salve,
sapete dirmi da cosa deriva in inglese la differenza di pronuncia di alcune
parole che vengono scritte con al doppia "o"?
Grazie.

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There are at least 5 ways of pronouncing "oo"
i)  book, foot, hook, good; took, hoof -   [short, come zucca]             
ii) moon, mood, food, brood, broom, spook, roof - (long)
iii) floor, door, poor, moor  (rhymes with "4, four")
iv) blood, flood - (rhymes with "mud")
v) zoology        2 sounds, long o + plus short o.
Types i) and ii), I can't think of any way to predict the pronunciation
Type iii) if ends in"r", pronounce it like "4" (though there are regional 
variations)
Type iv) Rare. These are the only two I can think of.
Type v) Unique.
Raymot

 v) zoology        2 sounds, long o + plus short o.
vi) brooch

 v) zoology        2 sounds, long o + plus short o.
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Then there's (vi) brooch (though this has alternatives)
and (vii) oophorectomy , and other words from the same Greek root
and (viii) rooibos , and other words of South African origin
I've no idea , though , how these different pronunciations developed , and I 
don't know of any way of predicting them either (apart from the last two) .
Mike 

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Apologies for the bits duplicating other posts - I left this sitting in the 
outbox overnight and sent it before checking the ng.
Mike 

 Type v) Unique.
Grazie per tutti gli esempi ma non ho ancora capito il perchč......

Il 07 Feb 2006 02:04:30 GMT,  si mormora che Risenape  abbia scritto:
I can't make _four_ and _poor_ rhyme
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 > v) zoology        2 sounds, long o + plus short o.
My granduncle, once living in Florida, said [zu'olod3i]
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07/02/2006 19.26.13

 "Can also"? that is, one could pronounciate in both ways infiffeferefently?
Well, not the same person, I would think.
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 I can't make _four_ and _poor_ rhyme
They do for many people in the UK: [pO:], [fO:]. I, for one, say [pU@] and
[fO@], but I'm no native speaker, and, if I were, I'd be born a couple of
centuries ago.
Bye, FB
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 Well, not the same person, I would think.
And two homozygote twins?
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07/02/2006 20.31.20

> I can't make _four_ and _poor_ rhyme
How about _four_ and _sure_?
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> Grazie per tutti gli esempi ma non ho ancora capito il perchč......
Non c'e' un perche'...
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> i)  book, foot, hook, good; took, hoof -   [short, come zucca]             
I am not sure about "hoof"...
Comunque se non sbaglio le "u" in italiano (quello vero, non quello che
parlo io) dovrebbero essere tutte lunghe, o no? Sono solo le "o" e le "e"
che possono essere lunghe o corte, ma potrei sbagliarmi.
antonio
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In Philadelphia:
« /u:r/ > /or/, so sure sounds the same as shore  »
http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/dialectsofenglish.html
In many parts of the Southern US, "poor" and "sure" become "pore" and
"shore".
Those four pore boys shore was hungry.
Joe from Massachusetts

 Grazie per tutti gli esempi ma non ho ancora capito il perchè......
E' cosi' e basta, direi.

 How about _four_ and _sure_?
They do rhyme, don't they?
I know there are two different ways to say "sure", but they're both correct, 
as far as I know.
I pronounce "shore" and "sure" in the same way, and I think so does Jonny 
(oh by the way, where the hell have you been? I haven't seen you for ages on 
Skype!  ...Not sure he'll read this post, though...).
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
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 E' cosi' e basta, direi.
Beh...forse una ragione filologica ci deve essere...

 I pronounce "shore" and "sure" in the same way, and I think so does Jonny
My granduncle from Florida said "shure", like the stereo accessoroes
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08/02/2006 20.10.51

 (oh by the way, where the hell have you been? ...)
Uhm... I'm afraid I should've written "Where the hell are you?", because he 
hasn't turned up yet, and the use of present perfect implies that he's back. 
Right?
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That is my Australian pronunciation. Note that I added "regional variations"
to this one. There will always be some variation in vowel sounds. 
I think we'd agree of all consonants except "r".
I say these with an "open o", /fO:/ and /pO:/ in ASCI IPA.
That's standard educated Australian.
Other possible prunciations of "4" would be /fO@/,/fOr/, /fO@r/...
R.