Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: you guys

Ho notato in diversi video americani, che (tra i giovani almeno) questa 
espressione si può riferire sia a maschi che a femmine.
Del tipo...una ragazza arriva e ci sono altre ragazze.
Hey you guys wanna come over here blahblahblah?
Vi risulta?
-- 
 >Giovanni

Giovanni "Darke", 00:30, venerdì 24 giugno 2011:
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Sì, ne hanno già parlato qui.
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                -- Igor Stravinskij

 Hey you guys wanna come over here blahblahblah?
La seconda persona plurale si forma cosi', a meno che tu non voglia fare 
il meridionale e dire "y'all". :D
-- 
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 Sï¿œ, ne hanno giï¿œ parlato qui.
ok grazie me l'ero perso :-)
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 >Giovanni

 il meridionale e dire "y'all". :D
sï¿œ ma "guy" non ï¿œ maschile?
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 >Giovanni

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In the singular, yes. Not necessarily in the plural.
Doesn't "ragazzi" also include females? :)
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 Doesn't "ragazzi" also include females? :)
non proprio.
se incontro un gruppo di ragazze, non dico certo "ciao ragazzi".
se incontro un gruppo di ragazzi e ragazze posso dire "ciao ragazzi".
ma in realtï¿œ non lo so.
non ho mai pronunciato in vita mia "ciao ragazzi". qui a Roma ï¿œ "rigï¿œ".
quindi "ciao rigï¿œ". come vedi non ho il problema del sesso.
ciao
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 >Giovanni

 quindi "ciao rigï¿œ". come vedi non ho il problema del sesso.
So it's kind of like "guys," referring to both genders.
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 So it's kind of like "guys," referring to both genders.
uhm. let me explore the possibility of it being a way of connecting the 
meanings and usages...
1 rigï¿œ
many rigï¿œ
while
1 (male) guy
many (male female whatever) guys
and....a single female of unspecified age (say 22)? a male would be a 
guy, and a female? still a girl?
girls who are friends of each other I think call themselves girls...
I noticed instead that my cousin (21, Chicago) called me (28, Rome) "man"...
man...it is complicated :-)))
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 >Giovanni

 man...it is complicated :-)))
This is slang that originated in the 1960's (or earlier) and although 
primarily used for a male, it can refer to a female and has been used 
more frequently for a female than has "guy". "Man" is now a bit dated, 
but still used. It is also used as an interjection, as in the case you 
mentioned (your cousin may not have been actually referring to you).

 general population.
OIC. I just picture a young man talking to his parents..."you folks...".
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 >Giovanni

 OIC. I just picture a young man talking to his parents..."you folks...".
You can refer to both parents using 'folks' if the context is personal 
and the possessive form is used, such as; "I'm going back to New Jersey 
to visit my folks." With this construction, the listener would know that 
you meant your parents. Or, for example, "His folks are in jail for 
running a Ponzi scheme" would also mean both parents.
In the appropriate context, this possessive form can be used to refer to 
relatives in general. For example, "His folks are all good musicians. I 
think it's the result of years of inbreeding." That usage probably 
derives from "his kin folk" which is an archaic (unless you live in the 
Appalachian Mountains) way to refer to relatives.