Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Da un libro scritto da un americano

"So afterward, back in base camp, the captain, to cover his ass,
busted Bill to spec.4, and Bill brooded and brooded and finally made
up his mind to get payback."
Non riesco a capire da busted in avanti.....
grazie per un aiuto..
Marco

 up his mind to get payback."
"Quindi dopo, tornato al campo base, il capitano, per pararsi il culo, 
ha punito (o arrestato) Bill a spec.4 (non so cosa sia spec.4), Bill ci 
ha pensato e ripensato su e finalmente si e' deciso a vendicarsi".
Fabio


Military pay grades:
http://www.princetonreview.com/cte/articles/military/paygrades.asp
Spec 4 = Specialist 4 (E-4)
Joe from Massachusetts

 ha degradato Bill (dal rango di Spec 5) a(l rango di) Spec 4
In effetti la mia traduzione di busted a "punizione" non aveva senso con 
quel spec.4.
Thanks
Fabio

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Si dice "ha degradato Bill a" o si deve dire "Bill fu degradato a"?
Joe from Massachusetts


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The captain demoted Bill from the rank of Sergeant to the rank of Corporal.
The captain demoted Bill to Corporal.
How would you say these in Italian?
Joe from Massachusetts

 Si dice "ha degradato Bill a" o si deve dire "Bill fu degradato a"?
Both are correct.
Kiuhnm


E-1   Private
E-2   Private
E-3   Private First Class
E-4   Corporal or Specialist 4
E-5   Sergeant or Specialist 5
E-6   Staff Sergeant or Specialist 6
E-7   Sergeant First Class or Specialist 7
E-8   First Sergeant or Master Sergeant
E-9   Command Sergeant Major or Sergeant Major
E-10 Sergeant Major of the Army
Joe from Massachusetts

 E-2   Private
They look pretty much the same! :)
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But one makes more money than the other!
After four months in the Army, soldiers are automatically promoted from E-1
to E-2.
Joe from

 questione salariale.
Degradare se per quello ha tanti significati oltre il "togliere il 
grado". E poi dove starebbe scritto che il declassamento si addice nello 
specifico a questioni salariali?
IMHO stiamo parlando di differenze piuttosto opinabili, userei degradato 
o declassato in modo abbastanza equivalente.
Fabio


E for Enlisted, and O for Officer.
Joe from Massachusetts

 > E-7   Sergeant First Class or Specialist 7
The ratings of Specialist 6 and 7 existed in the US Army from the 1950s
through the 1970s, and the rating of Specialist 5 existed through the 1980s.
They no longer exist in the US Army.
Only the rating "Specialist 4", usually called simply "Specialist", exists
today. All Army personnel in a particular grade, except the grade of E-4,
wear the same rank insignia. In grade E-4, men whose primary function has to
do with the supervision of troops wear Corporal insignia, and all others
wear Specialist insignia. If a book (such as that quoted by the original
poster) refers to "Spec 4", chances are that it is referring to events which
took place before 1985.
Joe from Massachusetts
Joe from Massachusetts
Corporals and Sergeants serve in areas which require command over troops.
Specialists serve in areas where their primary function is in a technical
specialty, and they have only minimal command over troops.
The insignia for the two groups is different. Two men who are of the same
pay grade may wear different rank insignia in the Army.
Joe from Massachusetts

Bon, allora va bene "degradare", o "retrocedere".
Però "busted" usato al posto di "demoted" mi sembra abbia un
singificato più forte e meno tecnico: direi "sbattere" o "rispedire"
fra i sottufficiali (anche perché non sappiamo che grado aveva Bill
all'inizio).
R.
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Quando il gioco si fa duro
i sardi iniziano a giocare


They are two different grades, and two different pay levels. Neither grade
wears any kind of rank insignia.
Joe from Massachusetts


A reduction in rank can result from one of two procedures - Court Martial
(judicial punishment), or non-judicial punishment, which is also known as
"Article 15" punishment. Non-judicial punishment is imposed by the
individual's immediate commanding officer. In a court martial, an individual
may be reduced in rank several grades, but in non-judicial punishment, the
commanding officer is permitted to impose a reduction in rank of only one
grade.
http://www.constitution.org/mil/ucmj19970615.htm#III
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From the context, the captain was Bill's immediate commanding officer. It
was he who "busted" Bill using non-judicial punishment.
In a court martial, an individual may be reduced in rank several grades, but
in non-judicial punishment, the commanding officer is permitted to impose a
reduction in rank of only one grade.
Therefore, we know that Bill was reduced in rank by one grade only, and
before the reduction in rank was either a "Sergeant" or a "Specialist 5". If
the events described occurred after 1985, he could only have been a
"Sergeant" before being reduced in rank.
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Before the change was made eliminating the grade of "Specialist 5" in 1985,
soldiers referred to the grades of "Specialist 5" and "Specialist 4" as
"Spec 5" and "Spec 4". After 1985, "Spec 5" and "Spec 4" went out of use,
since there was now only one "Specialist" grade, called simply "Specialist".
The fact that "Spec 4" is specifically used indicates that the events
described took place in 1985 or before. Some people may have continued to
use the designation "Spec 4" for a while, out of habit.
Joe from Massachusetts


The grades of Specialist and Corporal are the same, as far as pay is
concerned, but a Corporal is considered to be of a higher rank than a
Specialist, within the US Army. Outside the US Army, the other services
treat Army Corporals and Specialists as being equal in rank.
Joe from Massachusetts