Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: To the moment

Is "to the moment" still used with the meaning "accurately", "precisely"?
I've found it on the Ragazzini dictionary, but in no other dictionary.
Bye, FB
-- 
"Melissa [P.] spazzola Thomas Fazi"
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 I've found it on the Ragazzini dictionary, but in no other dictionary.
Anche il Cabridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary riporta molti altri usi ma
non quello. Ad es. ci sono:
At the moment
I'v afraid she's not here at the moment
At this moment in time
I can give no information at this precise moment in time
For the moment
Let's carry on with what we agree for the moment (If you do something for
the moment, you are doing it, but might do something different in the
future)
Of the moment
Jack was man of the moment during the crisis
Have one's moment
This album may non be as good as their last one but it has its moments (to
be sometimes very succesfull)
Of great moment
a decision of great moment (very important)
Not a moment too soon
Help arrived - and not a moment too soon (it was almost too late)
Not for a moment
I don't believe that story for a moment
The moment of truth
Lift-Off is always the moment of truth for a new rocket


Non hai un po' più di contesto? Non mi dire che leggi il dizionario in 
ordine alfabetico ;-)
Non sarà "up to the moment"?

 Non hai un po' più di contesto?
L'ho trovato sul dizionario... 
QUOTE
*to the moment*, con esattezza, con precisione; con puntualità assoluta
UNQUOTE
Credo che qui "moment" significhi "dettaglio", o qualcosa del genere. Non
l'ho trovato che sul Ragazzini.
[...]
Ciao, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

I've found it on the Ragazzini dictionary, but in no other dictionary.
I can only think of its use like..
"I'm looking forward to the moment when England win the world cup" 
but of course the "to" is apart of "looking forward to".
On another note, nothing to do with what you're talking about, but I
met a lady from your neck of the woods today. She's originally from a
place just outside Milan, she said the name but I can't remember it.
We spoke in Italian a little, I enjoyed it. I do need to speak to
native speakers more. I said the word "tuttavia" three times and she
still didn't understand me. I was saying "tuttąvia". She also said
"accento" which sounded to me like "ascento". How do you pronounce it?

 "accento" which sounded to me like "ascento". How do you pronounce it?
the "sc" in "ascento" is the "ch" in "cheese". Indeed a double "ch"
because you must stress the double c
ciao

 "accento" which sounded to me like "ascento". How do you pronounce it?
"tuttavìa"
[a'ttSEnto] 
[S] ==> *sh*ow
[E] ==> open "e"
Since the lady was from Milan, she must have said [a'ttSento].
Bye, FB
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la lingua come un pitone ubriaco". Prendo questo libro, lo butto nel
cestino.»
(Recensione di Antonio D'Orrico sul Corriere della Sera Magazine)

Since the lady was from Milan, she must have said [a'ttSento].
How's that different? big E little e, open and closed? If you find the
time perhaps you can do a recording. I won't hold you to it. I'm still
waiting for your come parlo amerigano ;)

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Can you just say it? or rather shout it ;)

 Since the lady was from Milan, she must have said [a'ttSento].
Oh, ok, then. Agreed.
-- 
Laz - 50km north of Milan 

 I won't hold you to it. I'm still waiting for your come parlo amerigano ;)
It's all but ready... It's... I still have to record it. I'm afraid I'm
hopeless. And my English accent is more old-fashioned than ever. I think
I'll make another "come parlo" soon. And you, too!
Bye, FB
-- 
Io ho deciso di rifiutarmi di vederlo: Ettore con la faccia di Eric Banana
mi fa venire i conati.
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I see. I think I'll ask on a.u.e. whether it's an archaism.
Thinking about it some more, one can say:
"right down to the moment when...."
which fits your definition more.

 I think I'll make another "come parlo" soon. And you, too!
I won't be doing one any time soon. I'm no better than last time, and
as demonstrated in this post I stress too many words wrong.

 as demonstrated in this post I stress too many words wrong.
O.K.
Bye, FB
-- 
"Oh oh... Oh my God. My parents are having an affair."
(Gilmore Girls - 512)

myself recorded.
You don't sound camp. Dale Winton sounds camp, Jonathan, the winner of
grande fratello sounds camp. You sound 'polite' if that makes sense. I
don't like my recorded voice either, I think I sound drippy. I
remember Seba saying he hates his.

 remember Seba saying he hates his.
I guess everybody does!
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"Sick of this life, not that you'd care, I'm not the only one with whom 
these feelings I share" 

 I guess everybody does!
as a matter of fact I hate my recorded voice too.

I won't be doing one any time soon. 
OK, I lied :)
www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/Quelle.mp3
Is my "quelle" now closed? How about the rest of it? All comments
welcomed, good or bad ;)

 welcomed, good or bad ;)
It's good :)

 welcomed, good or bad ;)
La A di statue mi sembra un po' lunga. La L di molto e belle è un po', come 
dire, particolare, mentre la L in quelle è OK.
Sulle /e/ e /o/ aperte/chiuse non saprei cosa dire visto che sono siciliana 
;-) Ma chi fa realmente caso a /e/ o /o/ aperte o chiuse?


Non è che cerchi di mettere lo "stress" (intonation?) su /statue/ come si 
farebbe (mi pare) in inglese? C'è anche una pausa tra /statue/ e /sono/. E' 
intenzionale? E la voce va "su" quando dici /belle/.
(opinione personale)
La faccenda dell'intonazione è un gran mistero per me.
Complessivamente è buono, eh! 

 welcomed, good or bad ;)
It's very good. I agree with Anna that you use a dark (I think it's the
correct term) L somewhere. You see, in Italian we only have the "L" in
"billy", not the "L" in "bill". 
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 welcomed, good or bad ;)
I am, of course, not one of the experts here. However,
it sounds to me as though you're from Salerno.
You have a bit of a "cantilena", but a Southern Italian
one (Salerno is the best I can think of - I'm not very
good with regional accents) rather than "foreign",
and certainly not British.

 it sounds to me as though you're from Salerno.
Bari maybe.

 it sounds to me as though you're from Salerno.
Because of the L's, too, I suppose.
[...]
Bye, FB
-- 
"I saw something nasty in the woodshed!"
(Cold Comfort Farm, the film)


Thanks! at least you understood what I said :)

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:29:33 GMT, "Francesco.b" <wri...@home.invalid>
wrote:
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Thanks, How's your accent when you speak English?

 wrote:
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It's more luck than judgment, I just tried my best. How's your accent?
what's the general consensus amongst Italians? do you sound English,
foreign or Italian?


FB ;) No, he's said that it isn't important but, he has brought it to
my attention (for which I'm grateful).

"billy", not the "L" in "bill". 
I think I know what you mean, it's difficult. I believe I'm using my
tongue to pronounce my L's and perhaps it's not the case with Italian
L's. This level of precision is very difficult for me.

La faccenda dell'intonazione è un gran mistero per me.
The same reason as above.
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:14:50 GMT, jonny <j...@jj.jj> wrote:
Whoops, I don't know how I managed the "mRe". I sent it again, it
should be in the proper thread now.

La faccenda dell'intonazione è un gran mistero per me.
The same reason as above.
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:15:31 GMT, jonny <j...@jj.jj> wrote:
It should be, but it isn't! try again.

 foreign or Italian?
The general consensus is that I sound foreign, but not British. Also,
that I sound gay. Apparently, people who knew me in Rome were
all convinced I was gay, because I didn't wolf-whistle
or call out "A' bionda!".
Upon occasion, I've been asked by people from (say) Sicily if I'm
from (say) Milan. I take this to mean that I sound strange, but
that their first guess is that I'm an Italian from "far away".
This has only happened a few times, and I don't think it's typical.

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Mary, how come that "should" is correct in this sentence (and I'm sure it
is, of course)? You recently suggested that I'd better use "I believe that
it is in the proper thread now" in such cases.
Bye, FB
-- 
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del tuo pianerottolo.
(Lucangel su it.cultura.libri)

> should be in the proper thread now.
I meant to write "*I've* sent it again"
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 Thanks, How's your accent when you speak English?
You will know it as soon as I buy a mic, I swear I will record my voice
though
I don't like it :)

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Cosa ne pensi adesso?
www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/Quelle2.mp3
Ho cercato di imparare sulle cose che hai detto. Soprattutto i "L" ma
purtroppo penso che i miei "L" siano lo stesso, anche ho cercato di
includere meglio l'intonazione, ma ancora, forse suona male (scusa
l'italiano).

 Mary, how come that "should" is correct in this sentence 
By the way, you should say 'how come "should" is correct in this
sentence?', with no "that".
-- 
Mary

 it is in the proper thread now" in such cases.
"Should" is OK here - can you remind me of the exact phrase where I said
you used it wrongly?
-- 
Mary

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Something along the lines of «"Obligate" should be commoner in the US than
in Britain». In both cases a speculation is made, it would appear to me.
Bye, FB
-- 
"Hey, Mr. Gilmore. Best wish... Congrat... Nice suit!"
(Gilmore Girls - 513)

 
www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/Quelle2.mp3
As the previous attempt, it's completely and easily comprehensible. Maybe 
the only "L" which is still wrong it the one in "molto", but it's really 
something you shouldn't worry about now.
Bye, FB
-- 
Saldando insieme vari dadi con una goccia d'acqua e tanta pazienza, riesci 
a fare una specie di custodia con coperchio nella quale inserire la patata. 
Per la cottura poi procedi come per il pollo alla creta.
(Elogio del dado - Garfield su it.hobby.cucina)

 l'italiano).
You speak fast! Is the first /E/ in belle supposed to be open? (I looked up 
in the Italian dictionary and it's open). Maybe it's too open. Or your 
teacher is from Bari ;-)
The L sound is better. I can't hear any English sound at all.
My intonation, in Italian, is terrible: sometimes people ask me if I am a 
foreigner :-(
Do you have more examples on the web? It may be worth keeping them.
How long have you been studying Italian?

something you shouldn't worry about now.
You're right. 


Just over a year. I have improved a lot, but I'm a million miles away
from where I want to be. Hopefully In a year's time I can look back on
some of the things I've written and smile.