Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: George Bush & Kate Rush

perché si pronunciano in modo diverso?
ha a che fare con le loro origini familiari?
( e le malboro?)
ciao sgas

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sg...@dito.dinonet.it
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Come Bush sono: push, tush, shush, whoosh, swoosh.
Come Rush sono: mush, hush, lush, gush, blush, flush, 
   plush, slush, brush, crush, thrush.
(Aiuto da "Penguin Rhyming Dictionary")
Ci sono parole di origine germanico e latino in entrambi
gli elenchi. (pe. rush/russer Fr; blush/bloschen G.)
Forse qualcun'altro puo` trovare una connessione
oppure il fattore che discrimina tra loro.
Raymot
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 ( e le malboro?)
Sì, scusami se non ho capito cosa intendevi quando ne hai parlato
l'ultima volta. Avendolo trovato in un thread diverso, non mi ricordavo
più.
La grafia corretta è "Marlboro", e immagino che sia derivato dal nome di
una persona o un luogo, come hanno già detto sia Isabella che Gennaro,
che ti ha dato una lunga lista di nomi topografici nel thread "Maverick
spots".
C'era un Duke of Marlborough molto famoso come condottiere nel
Settecento; forse alla ditta è sembrato un nome che dà l'impressione di
virilità, affidabilità, ecc.
Più di quello non so; forse se vai a guardare il sito della Philip
Morris, racconta la storia della marca. Prova anche a fare una ricerca
con "Marlboro Man".
Ho dato un'occhiata veloce a qualche sito senza trovare niente; la cosa
più interessante che ho trovato, che non c'entra niente con la tua
domanda, e come la marca Marlboro ha raggiunto un enorme successo
mondiale malgrado il fatto che sempre meno persone fumano, e che in
alcuni paesi (come gli USA) i fumatori ormai vengono trattati come
untori. Evidentemente il loro reparto marketing è molto esperto...
Mary
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I always hate to disagree with penguins, but I'm afraid "tush" rhymes
with "rush" - in fact *my* Penguin Rhyming Dictionary agrees with me -
could it be that you have a special Strine version?
Mine gives: Pygmalion, Deucalion, Australian, but I expect yours gives
brine, fine, rain, Australian.  :-)))
Who is this Kate Rush, anyhow?
Mary
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Is this expression current in English or did you just translate it ?
Anyway, what you said is completely true.
Bye Asoka xx'82
<< However fast you may run, you will never overreach the ball >>

Who is this Kate Rush, anyhow?
Kate Rush (I had always heard "Kay", anyway) is quite a famous actress, and
she is Anglo-Japanese, if I
am not wrong. I think people know her only in Italy, though.
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 Is this expression current in English or did you just translate it ?
It's very common. Quite a few Italian proverbs are the same in English. (I
expect the Italians pinched it from us un the first  place.)
Mary
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LOL
Esistono già razzismo e tabagismo - come possiamo chiamare questo atteggiamento?
Postincrocio ad icli dove ci sono gli esperti in neologismi.
Mary
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assessore: gr. «a-» (priv.) - it. «sesso»: chi per carenza di sfoghi sessuali
passa il suo tempo in consiglio comunale.

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Yes, you're right about Penguin saying that "tush" is a "Bush"
word. Here, "tush", as in "shake your tush/behind/bottom" is
pronounced as I've indicated. Perhaps it's a "Rush" word when
it means something else.
In fact, I assigned "tush" to "Bush" before opening my
rhyming doctionary, so I wrote that I was helped by the
dictionary, not that I slavishly followed it -- dictionaries
are sometimes wrong, or not up to date, etc.
I have no idea who Kate Rush is. I know who Kate Bush is though.
Who is George Rush?
Ciao, 
Raymot
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What's Strine ? Is that the author's name ?
Strine is Australian, pronounced in the broadest
(piu` spiccato) possible way.
Ciao, 
Raymot
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There are quite a few Strine dictionaries on the web which you  might like, such as
http://jokefest.com/jokes/austdict.html
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Mary
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Thank you very much indeed.
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 Thank you very much indeed.
That was a JOKE, Asoka. Irish logic is back to front.
Read what Raymot said again, and you'll see what I mean.
Mary
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 am not wrong. I think people know her only in Italy, though.
Yeah, her name is Kay Sandvick (non sandwich!), Rush, I think, is her
husband's name...
Ciao
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"Chi non conosce la verita' e' uno sciocco, ma chi, conoscendola,
la chiama bugia, e' un delinquente." B. Brecht, Vita di Galileo. 

husband's name...
Sandvik, that's her family name, whereas Rush is her mother's name that she
used as a nome-de-plume for a long time.
Ciao
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching


Well, I saw her acting in some films, but they were not so important (I too
agree that she is an awful actress).
Besides, I could also see her in some TV shows, as you said.
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 used as a nome-de-plume for a long time.
You'd call it a stage name, though.
"Nom de plume" is for authors (plume = penna).
Mary
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"Nom de plume" is for authors (plume = penna).
Vero. In ginocchio da te. Ho dormito dalle 5.30 alle 9.00 AM. Ho perso
milioni di cellule grigie che non riavrò mai più. In una di quelle c'era il
mio francese.
Sarà meglio che torni a letto.
Baci


I expect it was a typo, then.
First you said "tush" rhymed with "Bush", then you said you assigned it to
Rush.
I wouldn't know how to pronounce it - we don't have them in the UK. :-)
Mary O'Cassidy
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Mary
Asoka, I think you'll find my logic is impeccable,
and nothing at all like Irish logic, which is very 
peccable.
Raymot
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Mary O'Cassidy
No it was a lapsus mentis et correzionis delle bozze.
You say /tVS/, I say /tuS/; let's call the whole thing off!
Ciao, 
Raymot
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