Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: "Homeroom"

In una scuola, č lo stesso di "classroom" o "schoolroom"?
-- 
Enrico C
...still legal tender...

Giò
How do you expect me to grow, if you don't let me blow?
(Rachel a Ross, Friends 2x19)


In American High Schools, each subject is taught in a different
classroom, so students move from one classroom to another all day
long. It is rare for a group of students to have all the same classes,
so each class may seem to be full of strangers, from the point of view
of the individual student. Also, administration and attendance
checking becomes a problem. The "home room" was invented to give
students a common group with which to be associated, and to take care
of administrative tasks. Students reported to the "home room" for a
few minutes at the beginning of the school day. Each "home room" was
assigned a "home room" teacher. The student's school identity was
associated with his "home room", and the "home room" teacher was
probably the only teacher the student saw every day.
The "home room" is now perceived as time ill spent by many educators,
and is being eliminated in many schools, even though it has some
advantages for students.
«There are still those who think traditional homeroom is a good idea.
"Now there is no one teacher who will follow a group of kids over
their four years in high school," said Willie Jude, the principal at
Custer. "I think that is a void that has been created over time. Who
really owns the students?"
"The homeroom teacher was key," he added. "Because they probably knew
more about their students than any single individual in the
building."»
http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/sep04/258456.asp
Joe from Massachusetts

Giņ
..Silent enim leges inter arma (Cicero)

 ps "need to be", or "need be", in this case?
I think "need be" is possible, because the sentence contains a negation;
"need to" always is.
Bye, FB
-- 
"The doctors found out that Bunbury could not live, that is what I mean—so
Bunbury died."
"He seems to have had great confidence in the opinion of his physicians."
("The Importance of Being Earnest", Oscar Wilde)

 building."»
Sorry, but I disagree with Mr. Jude.  I am not sure how things were
before I came to the States, but by the time I got here in the late 60s
we had different homeroom teachers every semester and I know it's the
same now in the district I work and in the neighboring districts.
Moreover, I don't think that homeroom teachers knew us better than our
other teachers.  In fact, I think it was just the opposite since all
the homeroom teacher did was to take roll and read the day's
announcements.  I remember most of my teachers, but I only remember one
of my homeroom teachers.   I also want to add that whereas in the past
HR was always at the beginning of the day, now it's wedged between
periods usually at the beginning of the day, but I have seen it
scheduled as late as 3rd or 4th period.  
ari

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 verb/modal verb "need" never was I able to acquire.
"They no longer need to be looked after" or "they don't need to be
looked after any more".
-- 
Mary

Giò
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 or maybe it's no /special/ verb at all?
I don't think "need" is a special verb, is it?
-- 
Mary

 is there a specific reason?
Mary doesn't like highfalutin constructions.
Bye, FB
-- 
"If you followed me here, how did you contrive to be here before me?"
"I followed you... very fast."
(What's New Pussycat)

"They needn't be looked after any more" is at least possible.
(There's an advert on the Underground which says "Zonked? You needn't
be."

"need" and "dare" are slightly special, in that
"Dare he enter the house of pain?" and "Does he dare to enter the house
of pain?" are both ok. Likewise "He doesn't need to do that" and "He
needn't do that."

Giņ
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ha scritto:
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Cfr the intro of Prince of Persia (the 1st, of course):
"How dare you speak to the Prince!!" (talking to the disguised real
prince, about the grand visir who usurpated his throne)
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Mary doesn't like highfalutin constructions.
the exact contrary as me.
il mondo è bello perché è vario
(how is it in English? does it exist?)
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 I don't think "need" is a special verb, is it?
Need I say? ;)
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I don't remember this from the intro to the first prince of Persia. The
early 90s Broderbund one?

Giň
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"How dare you speak to the Prince"? In the intro? I really don't
remember
this. I remember music, and a couple of screens of text about the Vizir
throwing you in prison.

Giò
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 Of course it's of no use, now.
Wouldn't it work? My Amiga games of that vintage mostly
fail now because they don't understand the 68060 or AmigaOS3.9
Also, I'm not that keen on rebooting my Amiga just to play a game.
However, there are people who make hard disk installers for
ancient games, and add "quit" commands to them. Maybe
I should check to see if they ever did PoP.

 (how is it in English? does it exist?)
It takes all sorts (to make a world).
-- 
Mary

 assigned a "home room" teacher.
In the UK ,  'home room' is 'form room' ('form teacher') .
'Classroom' - normal term for a room where lessons take place .
'Schoolroom' - more or less unused ; in a small village school , it could 
have been the main room used for teaching ; if you're rich enough , it could 
be the room in your mansion where your children are taught by the governess 
or tutor you employ .
Mike 

 In the UK ,  'home room' is 'form room' ('form teacher') .
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:F_SbJeTnRHUJ:www.sjr.mb.ca/MSchool/FrmTchr.htm++%22form+teacher%22&hl=en
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Mi sono rivisto l'inizio del gioco per voi (per dirimere la questione! :-)! 
Effettivamente quella frase non c'č!
Questo č ciň che appare se si lascia andare avanti l'intro senza premere 
alcun tasto.
Broderbund....ecc.
presents
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a game by
Jordan Mechner
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PRINCE OF PERSIA
@ Copyright 1990 Jordan Mechner
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In the Sultan's absence the Grand Vizier JAFFAR rules with
the iron fist of tyranny. Only one obstacle remains between
Jaffar and the throne: the Sultan's beautiful young daughter...
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Marry JAFFAR... or die within the hour.
All the princess's hopes now rest on the
brave youth she loves. Little does she know that
he is already a prisoner in Jaffar's dungeons
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(i credits)
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(parte la demo del gioco)
p.s.: se volete vi mando il file eseguibile che gira anche sotto XP!
-- 
I'm a Dream!!! 

p.s.: se volete vi mando il file eseguibile che gira anche sotto XP!
bella.
il mio indirizzo email č valido
grazie
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It takes all sorts (to make a world).
and the meaning? the same? really?
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I should check to see if they ever did PoP.
well...after all I still have my old 486dx4-100. that will do, with
'95 or 3.x on, or even dos (I have had the 5.0 and 6.2, on that
computer).
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 il mio indirizzo email č valido
sě
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> il mio indirizzo email è valido
Arrivato?
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Giò
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 No...
Come no?!?!?!?
L'ho mandato alle 16.22 (con oggetto 'Re:"Homeroom" (Invio Prince of 
Persia)') all'indiirizzo giovanni(punto)neiman(chioccioletta)gmail(punto)it
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p.s.: se x cena non ti è arrivato provo a rimandartelo... fammi sapere...
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True.
For example, in my small town, the elementary school has classes of
about 30 or 35 children.
When they move on to the regional High School, they are combined
with the children of 5 other towns, for a total of about 200 students,
so that in the first year they can be overwhelmed by a feeling of
anonymity in this large group. The "home room" concept helped
alleviate this feeling. I know that my children developed friendships
with the other students in their home rooms each year when they
were in High School. It was a "base" from which they set out on
their daily academic grind.
In the US, at the University level, daily attendance at class is
recommended, if not mandatory, unlike the Universities in Italy,
at least from what I know about Italian Universities.
The popularity of Fraternities and Sororities and other social clubs
at American Universities stems partly from the need to overcome
the feeling of anonymity when thrust into a faceless crowd.
When I was at the University, there were 30,000 full-time students on
the campus every day, which can be disconcerting for someone
from a small town.
Imagine an Astonomy lecture in the basketball arena, with 300
students in the class. There is nothing more anonymous than that.
Joe from Massachusetts

Giň
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Ho chiesto a mia nonna, che ha fatto fino all'High School a Chicago.
Ma negli anni 30. 
Perň č comunque un po' a conoscenza degli aggiornamenti, in quanto ha
diversi nipoti che vanno (o andavano) a scuola lě.
Mi ha confermato questa differenziazione tra "classe per l'appello" e
"classe per la lezione", dicendomi perň che non sempre si cambiava
classe al cambio di materia.
Poteva darsi per prima cosa che il professore fosse lo stesso (non so,
per storia ed inglese), e poi poteva darsi che proprio l'aula forse la
stessa.
Era semplicemente organizzato cosě (come oggi, del resto). E lei lo
sentiva perfettamente "naturale", e non poteva stare a figurarsi un
altro modo, o un altro modo migliore. Tutt'ora lo reputa normale.
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 stessa
Dunque, non si ha un compagno di banco fisso.
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Giò
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 ti mando ora un messaggio da quell'indirizzo lě...
Rispedito, vediamo se stavolta arriva... :-)
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mandato anche ad inwind...
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Se no, guarda..., tu e chiunque altro voglia scaricarlo: prendetelo da qui:
http://digilander.libero.it/fidsdf/Prince%20of%20Persia%201.rar
p.s.: lo lascio per 3-4 gg poi lo tolgo (se ci ripenso :-P)
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