Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Wouldn't of

[Speaking of the capture of Saddam]
 "But if most liberals had their way- we wouldn't
of found him..."
Again: slang or informal usage, or plain lack of education? :)
-- 
Enrico C
"I wish I had more dinero!"
dinero: money (from Spanish) (c) Dave's ESL Cafe Slang

 Again: slang or informal usage, or plain lack of education? :)
I'd say "lack of education", or possibly poor diction transcribed
with care. It's about as hideous as "innit".
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I'd say "lack of education", or
I agree.  Lack of education now bordering slang.
bye

I agree.  Lack of education now bordering slang.
I'll second that, It's very common with school kids.  They are writing 
as it sounds - It could be more correctly written as "wouldn't've - 
which is highlighted by spelling checkers, whilst "wouldn't of" isn't 
always corrected though MS Word does suggest replacing "of" with "have".
Cheers
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John G Davies

 
su  uk.culture.language.english
una madre dice che suo figlio di 6 anni ha questa abitudine e non
riesce a correggerlo, perché la sente dagli altri bambini a scuola!
| He will say, for example, "I must of lost it." 
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Enrico C
"It's really rocking!"
rocking: great; excellent (c) Dave's ESL Cafe Slang

 | He will say, for example, "I must of lost it."
I think it's strange. He'll understand "I must of" (io devo di) is nonsense.
Bye, FB

 | He will say, for example, "I must of lost it."
Children say "I must've lost it", but the sound of 've is similar to of,
so they tend to make mistakes when they first write it unless they're
corrected.
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Mary

 nonsense.
Guess you're missing the point, "I must of lost it" sounds very very similar to
"I must've lost it". It's a common mistake at school, like "squola" or
whatever.
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Giovanni Bajo

 whatever.
I'm not missing the point. I suppose an English boy can understand that "io
devo di perso" is nonsense. Well, the sound is the same as in "I must'*ve*
lost", but as to the meaning...
Bye, FB

> I think it's strange. He'll understand "I must of" (io devo di) is nonsense.
which is what didn't find me in agreement.
You're translating it (and literally translating it because there is no other
translation possible) and use this as an explanation that it's wrong. If you
first learn English as a speaker, you learn that you can say "I must've lost
it". When you learn how to write it, it's pretty normal to get confused, and
just write "must of" because the sound is very similar. Of course you can't
think that the expression, per-se, it's a mistake because it's what everybody
says around you, it's what your teacher asked you to write, so it can't be
wrong. In fact, the only thing wrong there is the way it is written down.
It would be like arguing that it's "very strange" for Italian kids to write "Io
vado ha scuola" because hey, if they just translated it to English "I go have
school", it doesn't make sense. Of course, you can explain them that "Io vado
avere scuola" doesn't hold sense, and that's what it's being done in schools. I
assume English teachers explain them something similar. But it's a very easy
mistake to do; so easy that even (not very well educated) grownups do it.
It's not strange.
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Giovanni Bajo


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I agree with you, it's not strange at all. 
I found out that "of" instead of "have" is a mistake for some adults
too. 
I happened to read it even on AUE, from an American native speaker.
But, IMHO, there is a slight difference between the "must've / must
of" mistake and the "a scuola / ha scuola" mix-up. 
In the English  mistake, first comes a not very good pronunciation of
the "'ve" sound, then follows the wrong spelling.
In the Italian howler, the problem is there are two Italian words
("ha" and "a") with exactly the same pronunciation. 
 
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Enrico C
"It's being reported in Chicago that Bears' coach will get the axe"
get the axe: lose their job [Cobuild]

 the "'ve" sound, then follows the wrong spelling.
I beg to differ. "I must've" is spot-on, isn't it?
Bye, FB

 mistake to do; so easy that even (not very well educated) grownups do it.
I think you're right. By the way, I've never done such mistakes as "Vado ha
scuola", if not absent-minded. I was phenomenal at dictation (while I was
*hopeless* at scientific subjects).
Bye, FB

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No, it's not and it's very common among uneducated people or sometimes
children.  They do not "translate".  Of course, a translation into any other
language would  not make sense, but to them it's not a "translation".  It's
just a sound .  The example you gave with "ha scuola" illustrates this point
very well.
bye
Ari

 the "'ve" sound, then follows the wrong spelling.
The contracted version is (more or less) identical...
Zz

 The contracted version is (more or less) identical...
Do they pronounce it as a weak or a strong "of"?
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Enrico C
"I'm really beat because I was awake all night"
beat: tired (c) Dave's ESL Cafe Slang

 Do they pronounce it as a weak or a strong "of"?
"'ve" and a weak "of" sound similar, and given the nature of "of" it is
frequently weak... if you follow.
Zz

Oh, I forgot! How about "your" instead of "you're" ...
As in:
        Your welcome!
:(


Some are really funny.  This is from "If  You Really Loved Me" by Ann Rule. 
IT's a true crime story and this is what David Brown wrote from prison to his
wife:
"My love is a profound heartache
And the fire of my sole [sic] lost
...etc....
And it's not even fiction!
bye
ari