Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Madame X's turn to speak and possibly call it a day? (Long-ish)

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to which I added the infamous walking vs. chewing gum joke. No use
remarking, here, that the humour (see the smiley?) in J's post rests
on the very same 'prejudiced' assumption that Americans are slightly
less than bright (just as the English are prim, and the Italians
unreliable, and the Spanish noisy, etc); I take it that in her case
the self-mockery is justified, whereas I shall not dare do the same,
being born the wrong side of the Atlantic. Never mind that Janis and I
enjoy a very cordial relationship, and that everybody should know
better, by now, about my _real_ views as far as prejudice, in general,
is concerned.
I will not apologise for that comment: all it is, is a less then
rippingly amusing piece of humour and nothing else, and I did
accompany it with a smiley myself. I wasn't meaning to hurt anybody's
national pride, and I believe there should be a certain amount of
tolerance allowed for harmless jokes, however bad.
The second issue is represented by my publicly posting a private
e-mail, which was originated by the same asinine comment we've been
discussing so far. Yes, I do think it is a breach of netiquette; but I
felt I was on a par with someone who sent me an unsolicited e-mail
message, in CAPITAL LETTERS, saying something they were perfectly
welcome to post on the newsgroup where it belonged, maybe with use of
an OT tag. The way I see it, this is not in contracdiction with my
always carrying a valid reply address: I just have a great deal of
trust in my fellow netizens' good sense when it comes to using one.
This trust can be dented, but never shattered.
What Ron, and I suspect most foreigners posting on this group do not
know, is that in this country, to accuse someone of short sighted and
lowly prejudiced anti-Americanism is a blatant political accusation,
and equals pinning them down to a precise political belief that,
incidentally, I have spent and spend my life fighting against. And I
will put my money on the sender's knowing this and therefore deciding
to write privately. This is why I said (LOL-ling, ahem) that they were
not only overreacting, but missing target, too. Precisely for the
reason that they were new on the newsgroup and were trying to make
contact, they should take the time to read the group for a while and
get to know the regulars better, before shouting in their face. My
ego, hurt or otherwise, has nothing to do with it whatsoever; and the
sender's response to my asinine comment has nothing to do with
fighting prejudice in all its forms, and all with being all wrapped up
in it-- only a different kind.
For the record, it was I who rendered the sender's address invalid
while posting it. I am not _that_ heartless a bitch.
Thanks to all who made it down here,            
-- 
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching

while posting it. I am not _that_ heartless a bitch.
Nobody, I hope you understand has called *you* anything. As for me, I simply
expressed my perspective on a particular act as a postscript to my message. My
issue was with the action, not the person. For me, identifying the sender's name
is not ok. We can differ on this point. It's unfortunate that the perspective
could not have been left simply as a postscript to my original comment.
As far the the political explosiveness of the charge sent by the "yeller"
justifying your reaction, you are right that this foreigner did not take it
seriously, just as I did not take the "asinine comment" seriously. In any case,
I do not defend the "yeller's" actions.
Still no malicious intent,
Ron
USA
PS: The fact that you can laugh (LOL) as you describe, when someone sends you a
note that accuses you of prejudice that you have spent your life fighting, is
remarkable

Methinks that is the sense of irony being activated.. ;-)
Attaccabrighe!!
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 your life fighting, is remarkable
Methinks that is the sense of irony being activated.. ;-) 
ciao,
Loki
-- 

remarkable
Tongue firmly in cheek Ron, huh? 
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Tongue firmly in cheek Ron, huh?
Now Isa, what would you know about my tongue? The audacity of you sometimes!!
:--))
Affectionately,
Ron
USA

must be just a typo: "deny me the pleasure."
Actually... come to think of it... it's not necessarily an error... it can be
considered to have a poetic quality.
Congenially,
Ron
USA

 
Hey the name aint Loki for no reason, ;-)
ciao for niao
loki
-- 

Hey the name aint Loki for no reason, ;-)
Don't make me Thor! Otherwyth, I Valkyrie you back to where Niebelungen and
there Valhalla to pay!
Just kiddin`
Ciao,
Ron
USA

considered to have a poetic quality.
It's not fair
to deny me
of the cross I bear 
that you gave to me
you, you, you
oughta know
(A. Morissette, You Oughta Know)
(But then again, pop song English is _not_ legitimate English :-))
Lah-lah-lah-de-day, 


 (But then again, pop song English is _not_ legitimate English :-))
Specialmente se canadese... ;)

 to where Niebelungen and there Valhalla to pay!
Ok, ok, I know, a little mixing of Nordic and Germanic mythology there.
I wrote it too fast,
Ron
USA

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 wrote in message
se7emo...@corp.supernews.com...
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It is not question of Thor or Donar, Ron. It is the general sense of the
calembour that is lost to me ( and I hate to miss a good calembour)..
 Something like "I will carry you back to where you belong and there ???  to
pay" ?.
I feel dumb as Babelfish.
Giorgio

USA
You've goethe be kidding! It may have been too faust, but 
there's norway I'd dane to pun like that! 
There's no tallin what you'll come up with next!
Anyhow, moscow now,
Raymot
[[[[[[[[[

Giorgio
ciao
Gennaro lurker
--
Per rispondere eliminare ".HELL" dall'indirizzo.
To reply remove ".HELL" from the end of the address.
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 pay" ?.
There'll be hell to pay (I guess - it's a bit forced).
Nobody says "calembour" in English. You mean "pun".
Mary
-- 
My puns are bad, but my poetry is verse.

Mary
bye
Gennaro lurker
--
"When is a door not a door?" - "When it's a jar"
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 My puns are bad, but my poetry is verse.
Toh, ne ho capita una.
Ciao e grazie
Giorgio

 "When is a door not a door?" - "When it's a jar"
A pun is just a play on words.
A conundrum (according to my dictionary) is "a riddle, especially one
whose answer makes a play on words".
In other words, it has to be in the form of a question.
E.g. When is a door not a door....?
Mary
-- 
Practice good mirth control - use a conundrum.

 I feel dumb as Babelfish.
Believe it or not, I thought it was clever when i wrote it. Where's Peltio when
you need him!
Suffering from self-delusion,
Ron
USA

 can you explain this, too?
If anyone laughed, I bet you did.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 
Wagner you going on about?
ciao,
loki 
-- 

you need him!
huh?
can you explain this, too?
: )
ciao,
Peltio

If anyone laughed, I bet you did.
LOL
Peltio

 If anyone laughed, I bet you did.
Dear Ron, 
I too gave it  a mirthful chuckle after I'd worked it out... :-)
ciao,
Loki
-- 

 was all about me and my selfish motives
Egregio signor Ron,
Sento il bisogno di ringraziarla per questa breve e mite detonazione
di sensibilità umana. Non mi è dato di capire le ragioni del suo sfogo,
essendo io un lettore non assiduo di questo gruppo di discussione.
Ciò nonostante, non posso esimermi dall'apprezzare la franchezza che
traspare dalle sue parole, e la fermezza con la quale non esita ad
assumersi la responsabilità per le conseguenze - negative? positive? -
della sua recente condotta virtuale, che, al lettore più sprovveduto di
queste pagine elettroniche (quale io sono), potrebbero apparire il frutto
insapore di un'età acerba, votata all'immoderata brama di sollazzo.
Certo che saprà fondare i suoi futuri interventi sui più sani principî della
filantropia, della carità verso il prossimo e della continenza verbale, e
tuttavia istintivamente sensibile a un prudente fremito interiore
verso i sui prossimi astuti propositi, con i quali sono sicuro vorrà
continuare a sorprendere la nutrita schiera di affezionati lettori che
contribuirò saltuariamente a infoltire,
cordialmente la saluto, ecc. ecc.
Ciao,
Phersu
ITA
:PP

 cordialmente la saluto, ecc. ecc.
Si, si, si, come cosi`.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 you need him!
Dear Ron,
I think it was really clever and smart. It was never my intention to say
that your pun was something stupid or badly conceived.
I was just saying "Hey, the challenge is too high for my poor English,
please explain me the mechanism for this time, next time I will do better".
Keep on playing on words, Ron, keep on being clever and smart.
Thanks in advance
Giorgio

 next time I will do better".
Giorgio,
Your explanation is appreciated but not necessary. I am truly only playing, and
poking fun at myself is part of the game.
I may have mentioned this before but, it seems to me that the Italian reaction
to "prendere in giro" and "stuzzicare" has less affection attached to it than
"to pull ones leg" or "to tease" in English. Are these just individual personal
differences I've noted or is there truly a different cultural meaning to these
actions?
Ciao,
Ron
USA