Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Scan your own computer for viruses

I read several time to see "my own" or, as in this case, "your own".
Why do you use this form?
Which is the difference between "scan your computer for viruses" and "scan 
your own computer for viruses".
P.S: I'm trying to write only in English. If we notice my mistakes, we can 
highlight them 

 highlight them
also I  ;-)


Maybe "me too". I'm never listened "also I" 

 Maybe "me too". I'm never listened "also I"
Ops..I've never listened "also I" 

 your own computer for viruses".
The latter stresses the fact that if your computer breaks down owing to 
some kind of viral infection, it's YOUR OWN problem.
Kiuhnm

 Maybe "me too". I've never listened "also I"
never?  :'(

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"I've" not "I'm" and "heard" not "listened".
Antonio

 Antonio
You are right!!
I wronged twice 

 Kiuhnm
I think it's the same if the sentence were written without "own"; maybe not! 

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Francesco , did you make this example up ('scan your own computer') ? It 
needs to be given a context - Kiuhnm's response (which I'm not entirely 
convinced about) picks up on one possible implied context .
In general , 'your own' usually has one of two functions : (a) it stresses 
the idea of 'YOURS , not mine/not other people's' ; or (b) it means (do it) 
'YOURSELF' ; e.g.
(a) if you corrected my mistakes , and I took offence at that , I might say 
'Correct your own mistakes' meaning 'Never mind mine , deal with the 
mistakes *you've* made.'
(b) if you asked me to correct your mistakes , and I objected to doing so , 
I might say 'Correct your own mistakes' meaning 'Correct your mistakes 
yourself , don't expect me to do it for you.'
Saying just 'Correct your mistakes' in the first case would sound odd (even 
with a heavy stress on 'your') , and in the second case simply wouldn't 
convey the same meaning .
Mike 

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Your PC, your own PC
il tuo PC, il tuo proprio PC.
Joe from Massachusetts

 Ops..
In inglese si scrive "oops", con due "O" (e si pronuncia "ups").

 convinced about) picks up on one possible implied context .
I was just joking...
Kiuhnm

 il tuo PC, il tuo proprio PC.
"Il tuo proprio PC" is quite old-fashioned.
Kiuhnm

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"you", non "we".


I meant "Io sbagliai"..maybe I must write "I was wrong"
Thanks for your help 


Okey 

 Mike
Let's see if I understood the meanings:
a) Correggi i tuoi (propri) errori lasciando perdere i miei ma dando 
importanza a ciò che hai fatto TU
b) Correggi i tuoi (propri) errori non aspettando che io lo faccia per te

 "you", non "we".
It was my hurry:-(
A little big distraction 


 Correct.
Mike 

 Mike
Thank you
Francesco 

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What about "il tuo PC" vs "il proprio PC"?
Joe from Massachusetts

 What about "il tuo PC" vs "il proprio PC"?
They're equivalent to "your PC" and "one's PC", resp.
Kiuhnm


Then how would you say "one's own PC" in Italian?
Joe from Massachusetts

 Then how would you say "one's own PC" in Italian?
"Il proprio PC".
Kiuhnm

 What about "il tuo PC" vs "il proprio PC"?
"Your PC" and "one's PC" are equivalents in English, and have nothing to do
with "own". "One" and "onë's" is slowly being replaced by "you" and "yours".
It is correct to say "il tuo PC" for "your PC", but it is incorrect to say
"il proprio PC" for "one's PC".
It is correct, however, to say "il proprio PC" for "one's own PC".
Joe from Massachusetts

 "il proprio PC" for "one's PC".
No, it's not.
For instance, the Oxford-Paravia recites:
è difficile ammettere i propri errori
it's difficult to admit one's mistakes.
Don't forget that "se tu prendi" and "se uno prende" have always been 
considered to be examples of inelegant Italian. We prefer "Se si prende" 
and that's requires "proprio":
"Se si esamina il proprio computer e si scopre che è infetto, occorre/rà 
procedere immediatamente ..."
Kiuhnm


Usage in the US has "you" and "your" (or "his") replacing the impersonal
"one" and "one's" in many cases, but "one" remains the stylistic choice in
many contexts.
Googling each of the following, you get the number of hits shown.
"to admit your mistakes" nytimes            2360
"to admit one's mistakes" nytimes               96
"to admit your own mistakes" nytimes      .  60
"to admit one's own mistakes" nytimes          7
Joe from Massachusetts


Sto leggendo i vostri post:
se non ho capito male, "your" puņ essere sotituito con "one's"

 "to admit one's own mistakes" nytimes          7
Good to know.
Kiuhnm

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proprio:
agg.poss., sempre riferito al soggetto, equivale a SUO, LORO ed è 
OBBLIGATORIO in costrutti IMPERSONALI: lo ha ospitato in casa propria, 
ognuno è responsabile delle proprie azioni, bisogna badare ai propri 
affari, è difficile ammettere i propri difetti; con valore raff., 
posposto ad altri aggettivi possessivi: l’ho fatto con le mie proprie 
mani, avrà avuto i suoi propri motivi per agire così | con valore di 
pronome possessivo: confrontiamo le nostre opinioni, ciascuno dica la 
propria.
As you can see it's just USAGE, not GRAMMAR, strictly speaking. "Suo" 
and "proprio" aren't substantially different. If something is yours you 
probably own it and vice versa.
Let's translate that four sentences of yours:
1E) It's easy to point out one's (your) successes, but difficult to 
admit one's (your) mistakes.
1I) E' facile sottolineare i propri successi, ma difficile ammettere i 
propri errori."
2E) It's easy to point out the mistakes of others, but difficult to 
admit one's (your) own mistakes.
2I) E' facile sottolineare gli errori altrui, ma difficile ammettere i 
propri.
I must say that I like how Italian avoids repetitions. Of course, the 
price to pay is a higher redundancy in the inflectional parts 
(declinations, conjugations, etc...).
Kiuhnm

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One's PC, one's own PC, one's very own PC -  all translated in the same
humdrum way in Italian. :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 humdrum way in Italian. :>)
Ok, you asked for it: "proprio lo stesso medesimo proprio PC".
Kiuhnm