Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: ma su una tizia serve il caffè al bar

in inglese si chiama barman o barwoman? 

 in inglese si chiama barman o barwoman?
barmaid
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ciò che si vuole, e più non dimandare.
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 barmaid
O "bartender" se non vuoi specificare se è un tizio o una tizia.
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> in inglese si chiama barman o barwoman?
Il barman non lavora al bar nel senso italiano ma al bar americano che 
(per la maggiore parte) non offre caffè ma invece bevande alcoliche. Per 
il caffé, se lavora a Starbucks, è barista, e se lavora a Dunkin' 
Donuts, è waitress.


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Eîpen dè ho Iesoûs, oudè egó se katakríno: poreúou, kaì
apò toû nûn mekéti hamártane (Euaggélion katà Ioánnen, 8,11)

proprio oggi sulle parole crociate del Los Angeles Times ... o era del USA 
Today, ho trovato che si pu� dire anche barista
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/barista
anche se ho qualche dubbio su quanti madrelingua conoscano il termine.

 here is familiar with the term 'barista.'
It's remarkable, siendo que los hispanos dicen 'barman' igual a los de 
lengua inglés
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A barman works in a bar (which is not the same here as it is in Italy), 
whereas a barista works in a coffee shop.
-- 
Joey from NY

 whereas a barista works in a coffee shop.
Right, but the _italian_ word barista refers to the one that works in a 
bar. You can use it as you like, of course.
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LOL.Now I'm really confused. When is a bar not a bar? When it's a jar.*
So in Italian, a barista works in a bar that serves alcohol?
*The joke is really "When is a door not a door?"
Ans.: When it's ajar.
Ajar meaning slightly open, but it's a pun for "a jar."
(Sorry. It seemed to work quite well with the bar question.)
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Joey from NY

 Ajar meaning slightly open, but it's a pun for "a jar."
"the face that she keeps in a jar by the door"
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 So in Italian, a barista works in a bar that serves alcohol?
Actually, I would be surprised if you could find in Italy a bar that doesn't
serve alcohol!

 serve alcohol!
Before some football matches, especially when the other team is english :)
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 serve alcohol!
Before some football matches, especially when the other team is english :)
LOL!

 
Here a barista is also who prepares coffee...

 Here a barista is also who prepares coffee...
...as long as who prepares a coffee corrected* with alcohol
*we call "caffè corretto" a coffe with a hint of rhum or anisette or 
other liquore
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Pâs gàr ho aitôn lambánei, kaì ho zetôn heurískei, kaì tô kroúonti 
anoigésetai
(Euaggélion katà Loûkan 11,10)


In the US, "barista" was co-opted by a slick businessman from Seattle who 
thought that a little bit of the Italian language might attract a gullible 
public, to describe employees who serve "ventis", "grandes" and "lattes" to 
pseudo-sophisticates in Starbucks. (Fortunately, there are no Starbucks in 
Italy)..
In Italy, a barista is a bartender, whether he (she) is employed in an 
establishment that serves only coffee, or in one that serves all types of 
drinks, including coffee and alcohol. The average Italian barista in a caff� 
or traditional Italian bar serves mostly coffee, aperitifs, digestifs, and 
the occasional Grappa, brandy or Cognac, and probably has little knowledge 
of the panoply of mixed drinks or the showmanship involved in their 
preparation which Americans expect from a bartender, although I'm sure that 
in night spots the bartenders are more knowledgeable about mixed drinks. 
Tourist traps like Harry's Bar in Venice can be counted on to have 
American-style bartenders.
Joe from Massachusetts

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One skill all baristas are taught is to never serve Peroni at less than room 
temperature. :>)
Joe from Massachusetts 

 temperature. :>)
Most of them, fortunately, don't ever serve Peroni at all, but when they 
do it, it's at a considerably lower than room tenmperature
:)
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 (Fortunately, there are no Starbucks in Italy)..
I completely agree, anche se c'ï¿œ un gruppo su Facebook di gente che li 
vorrebbe...
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Vuolsi cosï¿œ colï¿œ dove si puote
ciï¿œ che si vuole, e piï¿œ non dimandare.
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 temperature. :>)
Most of them, fortunately, don't ever serve Peroni at all, but when they
do it, it's at a considerably lower than room tenmperature
:)
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Well then I guess Peroni must be exporting all that beer that they produce. 
I wonder who's buying it?
It must be someone who can't find a good beer locally - the Czechs? - the 
Germans? - the British? - or maybe the Dutch, who have only that second-rate 
Heineken to drink.
I occasionally drank Peroni, when I was in the mood for a beer in Italy, but 
only at the end of the month, just before payday when funds were low. The 
price for a warm Peroni in a small local bar was a much better bargain than 
a cold beer, local or imported, at the bars found near the caserma which 
were patronized almost exclusively by serious American drinkers.
At that time of the month, I would also find myself visiting the tabaccherie 
to buy 4 or 5 Nazionali Esportazione, or even, in the most dire straits, 
perhaps even a few of the dreaded Alfa (!) with my last few lire.
Can you still buy just a few cigarettes at a time, rather than a full pack, 
in Italy?
Joe from Massachusetts

 "FatherMcKenzie" <james.l...@MENOinfinito.it> wrote in
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I don't think so.
My father smoked Alfa too.
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"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs
treat us as equals."
                -- Winston Churchill 

 in Italy?
No, just a whole pack
And Peroni, well, it isn't so good, but better than Bud :)
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 Heineken to drink.
Believe it or not, a couple of months ago I met a young englishman whose 
  favourite beer is Peroni/Nastro Azzurro. I had to explain to him that 
here Peroni is regarded as the lunch break bricklayer-in-wifebeater beer...
I do agree with you definition of the italian word barista.
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 in Italy?
No, just a whole pack
And Peroni, well, it isn't so good, but better than Bud :)
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I always thought it strange that the tabaccherie sold just a few cigarettes 
at a time. They put them in little envelopes made expressly for that 
purpose, so you wouldn't get tobacco in your pockets.
I don't drink that much beer, but I have to say that my overwhelming 
preference is Heineken, when I do have a craving for beer.
Vietnam veterans who served with Australians in Vietnam say that the 
Australians called Bud "piss".  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts 

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Alfa had a unique odor which could be recognized immediately in a small bar.
They were considered the cigarette made for the budget of the Italian 
military, who in my days in Italy didn't make much of a salary.
Often I would find myself wandering around town with a few of my Italian 
military buddies. An "ombreta" and two Alfa was a night on the town.
If you had a pack of Alfa in your pocket, you would surreptitiously withdraw 
one from the pack, so that no one would see you were smoking them.
Joe from Massachusetts

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I have heard it described as "love in a canoe beer" as in "It's fucking
too close to water". 
G

"G" <g...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message 
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In Utah, beer can contain only 3.2% alcohol.
Heineken contains about 5.4%, Guinness has about 7.5%, while Sam Adams 
Triple Bock contains a whopping 17.5%.
Budweiser contains about 5% alcohol, and Bud Light contains about 4% 
alcohol, so they cannot be sold in Utah.
The US Army at one time allowed only 3.2% beer in enlisted clubs. I think 
this may have changed.
Alcohol content is not the only measure of a beer's quality. It has to taste 
good.
Joe from Massachusetts 

 would see you were smoking them.
I've read that during WW1 soldiers in the trenches learned that
during the night it was better to smoke keeping the cigarette
inside their mouth not exposing the burning tip, and to never
light them more than two at a time, fearing a "cecchino"
(sniper) had the time to aim and shoot the third one; that use
still remained after the war (never light three cigarettes in a
row)
-- 
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the
stars.
    -- Oscar Wilde


I have never heard anyone called a "barman" in the US, except perhaps 
sarcastically.
Joe from Massachusetts 

 And Peroni, well, it isn't so good, but better than Bud :)
I disagree, but at least it's cheaper!
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Vuolsi così colà dove si puote
ciò che si vuole, e più non dimandare.
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