Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Neologismo

O almeno tale e' per me.
Lo trovo nell'ultimo Ellroy, _Destination: morgue_ -
"romp rustlers", per omosessuali maschi, ovviamente.
Essendo io una persona volgare, l'ho trovato divertente.
Mi ha un po' disturbato, invece, il suo uso costante e ormai quasi
esclusivo di 'coon' e 'jigaboo' per 
black person. Il secondo mi sembra anche piuttosto outdated.
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 black person. Il secondo mi sembra anche piuttosto outdated.
You're right; both these terms are way outdated (except maybe in the
southern US, where you may still hear "coon").
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 southern US, where you may still hear "coon").
Plus, it's not that  he writes here in the voice of some redneck rogue cop
of the Fifties, the way he 
did elsewhere: he really seem to relish those terms a little too much for
my taste. It made me 
uneasy, and not for a matter of political correctness.
Ciao
PS Please tell me if you know: the expression "coon's age" is still
another racial slur or simply 
refers to racoons?
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 refers to racoons?
I'm not familiar with "coon's age"; the expression I know is "dog's age" 
(meaning a long time; the myth is that dogs age seven times faster than 
humans) but I infer from "coon's age" it means the same thing, and in the 
given context, I believe it could be a racial slur.
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 refers to racoons?
"'Coon" is still a universally-used abbreviation for raccoon in the
South and some other parts of the US, and has the same origin as the
racial slur "coon". A "'coon dog" or a "coon hound" is a dog which is
particularly good at hunting raccoons, and is very common in the South
and other areas where coon (raccoon) hunting is popular. I think there
is an actual breed of dog called the "Coon Hound" (not "Raccoon
Hound"). Some people think that raccoons are long-lived, so the
expression "'coon's age" is fairly common in the South and other areas
of the US. Raccoons are very common here in Massachusetts, and in New
York State and New Jersey, but I have never heard "'coon" used in
those areas to refer to them. Conversely, I recall that my Southern
and Midwestern friends always referred to raccoons as "'coons", in
informal conversation. Many people use "coon dog" in reference to
their dogs, or "coon" in reference to raccoons, and would never think
of using it as a racial slur.
Here is a snippet from a forum discussing the use of this word.
<<Nobody goes "raccoon hunting"; always "coon hunting". I have never
seen an ad listing a "raccoon hound" for sale; hundreds of "coon
hounds" are offered for sale in newspapers, magazines, etc. Please
don't tell me that "Bluetick, Redbone, Black & Tan, and Walkers" have
racist overtones, too! :)
BTW, I have been coon hunting several times with friends who are
black. They use the same terminology as I do.>>
http://www.dr1.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-18287.html
Joe from Massachusetts


Let's not forget "Coonass" which sounds pretty nasty, but  it's what
some cajuns call themselves.
See: 
http://www.coonass.com/whycoon.htm
Interesting origin...

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That's a new one on me. I think I might have heard it in the Army, but
never associated it with the Cajuns.
I guess you must be familiar by now with the nicknames for the people
of just about every city (at least in the Northeast) of Italy?
Tutimati,  magnagati, brusacristi, etc?
Joe from Massachusetts

 "romp" to rustle a rump.   :>)
Those would be the hindquarters, right? :->
I think this is a cutesy version of the more, so to speak, fundamental
expression "ass bandit".
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 South (...)
Thank you very much.
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No, not at all. A little googling found this (below) - is it what you
were thinking of? Pretty funny - do people actually use these names,
or is it just a  poem? BTW, found it here:
http://spazioinwind.libero.it/maserada_sul_piave/detti1.htm
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Venesiani gran signori,
Padovani gran dotori,
Visentini magna gatti,
Veronesi....tuti mati,
Udinesi castelani
co l cognòme de "Furlani",
Trevisani pan e tripe,
Rovigòti baco e pipe,
i Cremaschi fa coioni,
i Bresàn, tàia cantoni:
ghe n è ancora de pì tristi....
Bergamaschi brusacristi!
E Belun ? Pòreo Belun,
te sè proprio de nisun!
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OR
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Veneziani gran signori
Padovani gran dottori,
Vicentini mangia gatti,
Veronesi tutti matti,
Udinesi castellani,
col cognome di Friulani,
Trevigiani pan e trippe,
Rovigotti vino e fumo,
i Cremaschi sciocchi,
i Bresciani infidi:
e ce ne sono di peggio....
i Bergamaschi senza....Dio!
E Belluno? Povero Belluno,
sei proprio di nessuno!
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 or is it just a  poem? BTW, found it here:
Some of them are very common.  "Magnagato" is extremely common for
"Vicentino". Note the spelling, both the "gn" and the lack of double
"t". I should know that one, since I spent several years there. The
culinary industry of Vicenza several months ago launched an
advertising campaign featuring a cat sitting on a dinner plate. Seba
can tell you more than I can.
Joe from Massachusetts

 co l cognòme de "Furlani",
Interessante che quel cognome è il più numeroso a Trieste!
Ovviamente non ha senso che uno si chiami Furlan se abita 
in Friuli, invece ci sono Trevisan, Visintin, Bressan.
A Venezia ci sono la Calle e il Fondaco dei Furlani, da San 
Marco verso l'Arsenale, mi pare.
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`E un "Ladin" `e uno nel Veneto chi non parla il Veneto.
Joe from Massachusetts