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Titolo: The clear sheet

Dear All,
si sta parlando di un certo tipo di detective che si può trovare nella
squadra omicidi:
"He was referring to the hotshot types who hit the unit running, dragging
in suspects, bullying witnesses, trying to *get on the clear sheet*.
A quale foglio bianco ci si sta riferendo?
TIA
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Annaun

 A quale foglio bianco ci si sta riferendo?
Non lo so, azzardo una ipotesi fantasionsa:
e invece che bianco intendesse trasparente?
Tipo avere il nome sulla porta di un ufficio, quindi  intentendo una
promozione, oppure una cosa come una lista di nomi "cleared for promotion"
sul modello di "slated for promotion"
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I have never heard this phrase in a police context, but the author may
be using "clear sheet" to mean a list of cases which have been
cleared. It means nothing to me. The phrase "cleared case" is very
common, and there may exist a "cleared case" list in some police
departments. A "cleared case" is one which has been removed from the
responsibility of the police department. A case is "cleared by arrest"
when a person is arrested who is assumed to be the perpetrator of the
crime under investigation. A "cleared case" is not a "closed case". A
case can only be closed after a criminal has been tried and convicted,
but the police are only concerned with "clearing" a case, and may
never know when a case has been "closed". In the police precinct, all
active cases are displayed prominently on a board, along with the
names of officers involved in the investigation. When an arrest is
made, the case is removed from the board, and is no longer the concern
of the police department, rather it becomes the concern of the court
system. Rather than being concerned with a list of cases which have
been cleared, police officers are concerned with the list of active
cases which have not been cleared.
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:-7yj_YDxNh0J:www.ndcriminaljustice.com/BuildingND-CJIS/PDF/da4.pdf+%22cleared+case%22+list+police&hl=en
Joe from Massachusetts

 I have never heard this phrase in a police context
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Now, Anna, will you stop translating that author? (smiling face)
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Ci fosse stata la vocale breve, avremmo avuto un paradosso degno della
fusione fredda.
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You took the words right out of my mouth, FB.   :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 names of officers involved in the investigation.
Mi chiedevo: non potrebbe essere questa board, il 'clear sheet'? Questi
sbirri iperattivi non vedono l'ora che sia loro assegnato un caso, non
vedono l'ora, quindi, che il loro nome finisca sul tabellone. Può
funzionare?
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Ciao,
Anna

 in suspects, bullying witnesses, trying to *get on the clear sheet*.
Su alcuni siti si parla di "clear sheet" usati per raccogliere
impronte od orme durante le indagini...
[PDF] Physical Evidence Handbook
"Each strip of tape is lifted, placed on a clear sheet protector, and
labeled appropriately (i.e. R.thumb, L.thumb)..."
www.wsp.wa.gov/reports/physevhb12-04.pdf
 
http://www.newspress.com/coldcases/catchkiller.htm
[...]
 Footprints: The footprint is the most common impression left at or
near the scene of a crime.
     Static dust can detect prints on paper or like substances. A
metal mylar sheet is then laid over the surface putting a static
charge into it.
     The print is then photographed using different angles and
compared to the suspect shoe through analysis of wear patterns and
special nicks.
     An impression will then be made on a clear sheet and matched to
the suspect shoe.
     If a print is in sand or dirt, hair spray will be misted over the
impression and then it will be cast using dental stone.
SOURCE: Sheriff's Department Sgt. Bob Spinner and Lisa Hemman, senior
identification technician; "Practical Homicide Investigation."
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 impronte od orme durante le indagini...
Grazie, Enrico. A dire il vero l'avevo trovato anch'io, ma sono perplessa;
ti pare che possa avere senso, nel contesto? Boh, forse dovrei lasciarli
perdere davvero, questi autori sciatti, che non conoscono la propria
lingua... :-D
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Ciao,
Anna

 sul modello di "slated for promotion"
Uhmm...
:-)
Nice try!
Grazie, ma la mia fantasia è un po' arrugginita. Magari provo a rileggere
la tua interpretazione stasera dopo essermi fatta un cicchetto! :-D
Scherzi a parte, grazie. Ogni spunto è il benvenuto, sempre.
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Anna

 la tua interpretazione stasera dopo essermi fatta un cicchetto! 
L'avevo premesso che era fantasiosa :-D
poi si è anche rivelata erronea
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 lingua... :-D
Ma almeno ti pagano un bonus per tradurre questi autoracci? ;)
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In questo contesto direi che e' gente che "cerca di avere carta bianca", 
ovvero di fare un po quel che gli pare.
(una possibile traduzione di "clear sheet" e' appunto foglio libero,
pulito)
Esistono altri modi di dire in inglese equivalenti al nostro: "avere carta
bianca"?
 ciao
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 bianca"?
Dal Picchi:
avere carta bianca: to have a free hand, to have carte blanche
to give sb a blank cheque (fig): dare carta bianca a qn
to give free play/rein to sb/st: dare carta bianca a qn
to give sb a free hand (fig): dar mano libera/carta bianca a qn
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 Qualcuno in casa editrice potrebbe anche accorgersene! :-)
Ma anche no. Ma anche no.
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 Qualcuno in casa editrice potrebbe anche accorgersene! :-)
beh, mica detto...
;-)
Allora la ipotesi migliore mi pare quella di joscurtin: questi poliziotti
pieni di zelo volevano "liberare la scrivania" (diremmo forse noi), nel
senso di "risolvere i casi ai quali stavano lavorando", "spuntare la
lista" (dei casi) ec.
Poi ti rimane sempre "foglio trasparente in policarbonato"...
:-)
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Every detective will have his name on the "board" (usually a dry-erase
or "white" board), to show any case he is working on. His name will
always be on the board.
It is possible that a clear (transparent) plexiglas sheet could serve
as the "board". It would probably still be called the "board".
It makes no sense to say that an officer would strive to see his name
on it. Every officer is on the "board" every day.
The most famous "board" in American police history was the board
in the Homicide Bureau of the Baltimore Police Department, which
was the inspiration for the board used on the TV series, "Homicide,
Life on the Streets".The real board showed an inordinate number of
open homicide cases. The board was an indictment of the police for
failing to solve the large number of murders in Baltimore. Publicity
about the board caused the Baltimore police to discontinue its use for
a time.
http://members.tripod.com/~Homicide_LOTS/faq/faq3_2.html
http://members.aol.com/jimking/what.html
The phrase "get on the clear sheet" makes no sense, unless in some
particular police department there is a list of cleared cases on a
sheet (a written report) known as the "clear sheet". More likely, such
a list would be a "cleared case sheet", but it is not the number of
cleared cases that determines an officer's quality of work. A
"cleared" case (one which has been turned over to the prosecutor, and
is no longer a police responsibility), once it gets into the
prosecutor's hands, may be dismissed by the prosecutor,  or by the
judge at trial, for improper police procedure, or some other
technicality, because of some failure on the part of the arresting
officer. An officer may have a great number of "cleared" cases, but
many of them may be dismissed at a later stage as having no merit,
reflecting poorly on an officer's judgement and competence. Another
officer may have far fewer "cleared" cases, but most of his cases
result in successful prosecution, reflecting favorably on his
judgement and competence. Here again, it is important to remember the
difference between a "cleared" case and a "closed" case.
"A cleared case is one that fully documents the elements of a crime,
which is fully prepared for prosecution, and which has been cleared by
virtue of arrest, service of an arrest warrant, issuance of a criminal
citation, referral to the prosecutor, return of a missing person, or
which has been cleared for exceptional reasons as defined in the
Uniform Crime Reporting standards (i.e., death of the offender,
extradition denied, juvenile/no custody, prosecution denied or victim
refused to cooperate or prosecute)."
http://www.ci.olympia.wa.us/Police/Manual/General%20Orders/82/82.2.pdf
"While some of these rates may appear at first glance to be
impressive, it must be borne in mind that when a complainant withdraws
a case, this is also counted as a cleared case. The clearance rate is
therefore too broad to be a good performance measure."
http://www.iss.co.za/PUBS/MONOGRAPHS/No73/Chap3.html
Hospital Emergency Rooms also use similar "board" systems, called
"white boards" or "tracker boards" to allow doctors and nurses to see
at a glance the location and status of each patient, although the
trend in more modern hospitals is toward electronic tracking of
patients, with an electronic display which displays at a central
location vital statistics of patients being electronically monitored.
I don't think that these status boards are ever called "sheets",
even when they are made of transparent Plexiglas sheets.
To strive to get one's name on the "board" makes no sense.
IMHO, "get on the clear sheet" is an example of a poor choice of
words, by a person attempting to use police jargon, without adequate
research.
Joe from Massachusetts

 Un uso, cioè, un po' simile a "clean record", fedina penale pulita.
Può darsi, se non c'era una virgola: 'bullying witnesses trying to get on
the clear sheet.' Vorrebbe dire che i testimoni volevano i loro nomi
all'elenco della persone che non si sospettano di più. Ma non è uno uso che 
ho mai sentito.

 research.
*Sigh*
Vuol dire che inventerò qualcosa di sana pianta :)
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Cos'hai fatto con i "florescences"? L'unica parola che andava bene in
inglese in quel caso sarebbe stata "potpourri", e forse anche in
italiano.
Joe from Massachusetts

 italiano.
Quel libro (e quell'autore) ho dovuto lasciarlo in sospeso; lo riprenderņ
verso marzo-aprile. Mi pare di aver poi messo che 'preparavano essenze
floreali' perché funzionava bene con la faccenda della "puzza".
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In my mind, "floral essences" and "essenze fioreali" have a
homeopathic connotation, and also they cannot be prepared in an
off-handed way, as was suggested in the original post.
"A floral essence is the concentration of the life energy of a
particular flower captured in a dew drop.  Since it is quite time
consuming to gather dewdrops, the flower heads are now soaked in a
glass bowl of pure spring water in full sunlight for several hours.
The flowers release their healing energy into the water which is
collected, strained and then combined with  brandy to preserve the
essence. "
http://www.bigskyspirit.com/page/page/1053515.htm
"The finest aromatherapy essences are extracted by water-steam
distillation. However, certain high quality essential oils, called
concretes or absolutes (jasmine, honeysuckle, etc.), must be extracted
with petroleum solvents."
http://www.mothernature.com/Library/cg/index.cfm/id/10
" '…I fiori vengono raccolti nelle prime ore del mattino, di una
giornata di tempo sereno, con il cielo privo di nuvole, avendo la cura
di scegliere solo le corolle che hanno raggiunto la piena fioritura; i
fiori devono essere raccolti da piante diverse e in luoghi dove
crescono in quantità. L’ acqua da usare per la preparazione delle
essenze deve essere pura acqua di fonte esente da qualsiasi traccia di
inquinamento, meglio se si tratta di acqua di una sorgente della zona
dove crescono i fiori…..' (da Guarisci se stesso).
Una volta raccolti i fiori il secondo passo consiste nella creazione
della tintura madre dalla quale si ricaverà la prima bottiglia stock e
i flaconcini di trattamento.
Per ottenere la tintura madre si procede con due metodi diversi: Il
metodo della solarizzazione, il metodo della bollitura."
http://www.benessere.com/salute/medicine_alternative/fiori_bach_preparazione.htm
Floral essences are used in homeopathic remedies, and are sometimes
made by moonlight rather than sunlight. It is a time-consuming
process, and is best done by shamans, homeopathic gurus, or
Californians.
A potpourri is a simple mixture of dried flower petals with herbs and
spices used for its fragrance. Making a potpourri involves the simple
process of filling a bag or small vessel with the ingredients.
Even your average Joe could make up a batch of potpourri and run out
and sell them at a craft fair.
Joe from Massachusetts

 off-handed way, as was suggested in the original post.
Be', le essenze floreali esistevano anche prima di chiamarsi "Fiori di
Bach". Inoltre il romanzo è ambientato negli anni sessanta (e Bach scoprì
le sue essenze negli anni '30), la persona che prepara queste cose è una
donna ignorante, ma un'erborista esperta e apprezzata, l'assonanza tra
'florescences' e 'floral essences', come suggerito da Vampi l'8 novembre,
effettivamente esiste e "infiorescenza", che è l'unica vera traduzione di
"florescence", non è adeguato in quel contesto. Se l'autore avesse voluto
dire "potpourri", nulla gliel'avrebbe impedito.
Comunque sei liberissimo di continuare a pensare che io abbia commesso un
errore madornale e di denunciarmi alla translation police :-)
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I'm only saying that you have to be a mind-reader to figure out what
the author meant in English.
Nature produces florescences, or blooming flowers, in plants. You
can't "make" a florescence or a bloom. You can gather buds and flowers
from florescing plants. You can "gather ye rosebuds while ye may", but
you can't make rosebuds.
Granted there is assonance between "florescences" and "floral
essences", but this does not change the incongruity of the phrase "we
made florescences". My point is only that this is a phrase which makes
no sense in English, an error on the author's part, which doesn't make
your job any easier.
If I were in your position, I would probably anoint my body with
floral essences, put on my saffron robe, assume the full lotus
position, and hope that through transcendental meditation the hidden
meaning might be revealed to me. :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 gliel'avrebbe impedito.
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E' confortante vedere che ci siano persone che traducono con una tale 
attenzione ed accuratezza!!!
Complimenti!!! ;-)
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 Complimenti!!! ;-)
I don't understand. Are you being ironic?
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Anna

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Definitely not! I'm really serious!
Why do you think I'm ironic?!
I've said that most translators aren't so accurate when they traslate!
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 I've said
Sorry, "I've seen" i meant!
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 Why do you think I'm ironic?!
Ah, ok, thanks! :-)
When I see the winking emoticon * ;-) * I always think there is some irony
involved.
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 irony involved.
I mean the ";-)" emoticon like a winking sign!
(I don't know if this sentence could be some sense! :-P)
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 (I don't know if this sentence could be some sense! :-P)
"could have", I think is more correct!
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 "could have", I think is more correct!
"Make" e non ne parliamo più.
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 (I don't know if this sentence could be some sense! :-P)
Approximately... ;-))
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Anna

 Yes, exactly. But what does the wink mean?
Perhaps he has a twitch in his eye...?
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 "Make" e non ne parliamo più.
"I don't know if this sentence could make some sense!", do you mean?!
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 "I don't know if this sentence could make some sense!", do you mean?!
Piů o meno. Io avrei detto "I don't know whether/if this sentence makes
any sense [at all]", ma non sono madrelingua inglese.
Ciao, FB
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 like a smile, something to "lighten" your talk.
In italian, I could say "ammiccare"! :-)
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 makes any sense [at all]", ma non sono madrelingua inglese.
Ok, ma cosě hai tolto il mio condizionale...!!! :-)
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 Ok, ma così hai tolto il mio condizionale...!!! :-)
What's the condition?
I don't know if this sentence would make sense... in this context? ...in 
English? ...to a native speaker?
In ogni caso, questa frase ha senso: I meant the ";-)" emoticon as a wink!

 Ok, ma cosě hai tolto il mio condizionale...!!! :-)
Correggetemi se sbaglio, ma "could" in quella frase non č un
condizionale. 
In inglese, si considera "Conditional" solo quello delle "if clause".
Per esempio:
"If I went to Egypt, I could learn Arabic."
 
http://www.englishpage.com/conditional/presentconditional.html

 Dear All,
http://joshreads.com/index.php?p=206
should answer all your questions

 
http://www.englishpage.com/conditional/presentconditional.html
Ok ok mi arrendo!!!!
Non sparate!!!
Ho già issato bandiera bianca! :-)
(id est: non c'ho capito nà fava :-P)
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 should answer all your questions
Non l'ho capita, ma (nel dubbio) grazie.
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 Non l'ho capita, ma (nel dubbio) grazie.
Il messaggio di base e' "l'autore inventa lo slang".

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I'll drink to that.
Joe from Massachusetts

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Ah, ok.
Sorry, but hurry is killing me these days. If I have to read more than two
lines to get the point of a web page, I usually give up. :)
My fault, as Rod Stewart sang so well.
And now back to my Philly hell...
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