Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: The Queen

 London, as is "yer" for "year" (another Queenism).
Ma 'sta Regina come parla?
(domanda rivolta soprattutto a FB, studioso delle cose della real casa
:))
C'e` qualcun altro oltre alla Regina che parla come la Regina?
-- 
Enrico C
"You cannot mix oil and water!"
oil and water: people or things that are very different

 London, as is "yer" for "year" (another Queenism).
Ma 'sta Regina come parla?
(domanda rivolta soprattutto a FB, studioso delle cose della real casa
:))


 :))
You're too generous. I'm actually rather interested in the marked RP
pronunciation, even though I don't like it (I prefer the RP: more spot-on
and definitely less affected).
I have collected some information about it (mostly posts on
alt.usage.english and my own impressions) and here are the peculiarities I
have noticed:
1) I think you have to have a 20 centimetre face-lift so that you can but
breathe with your mouth;
2) That notwithstanding, you have to move your lips as less as possible;
3) I've read of her saying "innovative" as /i'nOv&tiv/, whereas everyone
would say /'in&u'veitiv/, I guess;
4) I think the Queen herself has a job uttering such words as "so" and
"over" as she must do it keeping her mouth very very close. They sound
respectively /seu/ and /eive*/ (the "e" in "seu" and "ei" is kind of a schwa
pronounced keeping your mouth nearly close ant trying not to move your lips
at all), but I realize these transcriptions give just a vague idea. Here's a
speech delivered by the Queen:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2024992.stm
. I've already indicated it
more than once but I think it should let you get your mind around the marked
RP more than my non-native speaker words...
In that speech, for instance, *in my very humble opinion* she says
"remember" as though she's just had a local anaesthetic at a densist's.
I found just as weird her pronunciation of "event", but this doesn't differ
that much from Collins'. That's something like /&'vent/, where "e" is a
vowel somewhat similar to the one used in Piedmontese dialect.
She eminently emphasize such words as "last" or "berkshire" but, among the
peculiarities of mrp, it is not such an evident one, as long as it is.
5) The vowels tend to be close, and perhaps this is what makes me think the
most about mrp's correctness. Such pronunciations as /het/ ("hat"), /hais/
("house"; /ai/ is pretty difficult to render... that's a very nasal sound),
and /enihai/ ("anyhow"; /ai/ is the same as above) seem definitely wrong to
me.
6) I've never heard anyone pronouncing "issue" and "tissue" as /'isju/ and
/'tisju/. Actually I happen to have used (<== is this correct?) those
pronunciation every now and then, since they're easier.
That's all, for the time being. (<== this mustn't be a nice expression, is
it?)
Bye-bye, FB

 would say /'in&u'veitiv/, I guess;
I've heard BBC speakers pronounce 'innovative' exactly like this
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=40920&dict=CALD
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 respectively /seu/ and /eive*/ (the "e" in "seu" and "ei" is kind of a schwa
Isn't s@u (@ for the scwha) the standard pronunciation?
-- 
Enrico C
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split: to leave (c) Dave's ESL Cafe Slang

 
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=40920&dict=CALD
You're right. The Collins too confirms what you say; yet, I remember they
were surprised on a.u.e., who knows!
Bye-bye, FB

 /'tisju/.
/& 'tisju &v 'laiz/ ("A tissue of lies"), "Kind Hearts and Coronets" (well,
at the House of Lords...), if I recall correctly.
Bye-bye, FB

 Isn't s@u (@ for the scwha) the standard pronunciation?
Yes, it is. Have you listened to the speech, I wouldn't say that's exactly
/s&u/.
Bye-bye, FB

pronunciation every now and then, since they're easier.
Louis Mazzini, cross-examining Sibella near the end of "Kind Hearts
and Coronets".
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
I'm sure they'll listen to Reason. (H. Protagonist)