Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Futuro con going

Salve a tutti, che differenza c'è tra il futuro intenzionale e il futuro
continuos?
Entrambi si cosruiscono con be going to, sapete farmi qualche esempio per
capire meglio?
Grazie
Alberto_75
 
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 capire meglio?
Potresti spiegarci/mi tu? Che intendi per futuro intenzionale e future
continuous (forse "I'll be -ing"?)?
Ciao, FB
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"It's going to be such fun!"
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(Cold Comfort Farm, the film)

 continuous (forse "I'll be -ing"?)?
Il future continuos (futuro semplice progressivo)si costruisce con: soggetto
+ will + be + forma in -ing
Il fururo intenzionale (be going to form) il futuro cosiddetto intenzionale
(be going to form) si costruisce con: soggetto + to be + going + infinito
Inoltre il present continuous(presente progressivo) sembra che esprima
un'azione programmata in precedenza quindi in qualche modo si accosta al
futuro, per esempio: i'm leaving for france tomorrow.
Sapete chiarirmi le differenze mafari con qualche esempio?
Grazie mille
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 Sapete chiarirmi le differenze mafari con qualche esempio?
In realtà il present progressive non viene usato, come vuole la leggenda,
solo per azioni programmate, ma un po' per tutto.
Il future continuous non mi pare una forma d'utilità essenziale, ma serve
per chiarire che non si tratta necessariamente di un'intenzione, lo scopo
principale essendo quello di informare su come si starà passando il proprio
tempo in un determinato momento.
Il "to be going to" mi parrebbe parente del present progressive, ma forse
mi sbaglio.
Ciao, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

 Alberto_75
A me hanno spiegato che funziona cosě, almeno in teoria...
(trascrivo da una dispensa che avevo da parte)
Talking about the Future
1. Future intentions: 
Form: ==> "Going to" future)
 
- When we state an intention based on something we've already decided.
Ex.: 
"I'm going to buy a new car."
"I'm going to make a cake."
(Sulla mia dispensa si vede la linea del tempo... Provo a 
rappresentarla...)
-- Decision/Arrangement made --- Now --- Event --
2. Pre arranged  organised  planned events 
Form:  ==> Present continuous OR "Going to" future
- An event or arrangement we've already planned for the near future
Ex.: 
"I'm taking my diving test tomorrow."
OR "I'm going to take my driving test tomorrow."
"I'm driving to Wales next week."
OR "I'm going to drive to Wales next week."
-- Decision/Arrangement made --- Now --- Event --
N.B.: A word like "tomorrow" or "next week" is necessary unless the time 
drame is clear from the context.
3. Spontaneous unpremeditated decision
Form: ==> "Will" + base form...
- When we make a personale spontaneous decision (e.g. an offer, a promise) 
in reaction to a present event.
Ex.: 
"That looks heavy, I'll help you."
"We've run out of milk, I'll go and get some."
----- [Now + Event] -----
4. Timetable, calendar, scheduled events
Form: ==> Present Simple
Ex.:
"The train leaves at 9 o'clock."
"The course finishes next week."
----- Now ---- Time of Event -----
5. Prediction based on present evidence
Form: ==> "Going to" future
Ex.:
"Look at the clouds! It's going to rain."
"I feel ill. I think I'm going to be sick."
---- [Now + Prediction/Evidence] ---- ? Event ----
6. Prediction base on opinion
Form: ==> Will + base form...
- when we have a personal feeling about a future event.
Ex.: 
"I don't think she'll pass the exam."
"I think we'll be there before midnight."
---- [Now + Prediction / Opinion] ---- ? Event ----
7. Future progressive event
Form: ==> Future continuous
 
- to describe something we expect will be in progress at a particular 
moment in the future.
Ex.:
"At 8.15 am on Tuesday I'll be driving to work."
"On Monday morning I'll be walking the dog."
----- Now -------------  [Event....................] -----------                              
                                   +++
----------------------------------[Moment in the future]--- 
8. Suggesting a future event has already been planned
Form: ==> Future continuous
Ex.:
"I'll be writing to her tomorrow."
"I'll be planning the meeting on Friday."
--------- Now --------------- [Future planned event] -----
                                   +++
--------------------------[Tomorrow / Friday / ....]------ 
9. Precise finish time of event unknown
Form: ===> Future perfect
- whem we know an event will definitely be finishe by a certain time in the 
future, but not the event time.
Ex.: 
"We will have finished before you get back."
"By the end of next year, we will have moved house."
--- Now ------ [We will have moved] ---- [End of next year] ---

 "I'll be planning the meeting on Friday."
This usage, which -- I'm sure -- I've already touched upon, is, in my
opinion, replacing the moribund "shall" [1]:
"I shall plan the meeting on Friday"
"I'll be planning the meeting on Friday"
Does anyone agree?
[...]
[1] Should I have written «is, in my opinion, replacing moribund "shall"»?
I don't think so, but you (viz. [2] "I") never know.
[2] Do you pronounce it either [vIz] or "namely"?
Bye, FB
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Scusate se rispondo in ritardo...
correggetemi se sbaglio, per dire:
penso di andare a mangiare qualcosa nel pomeriggio
I think i'm going to eat something in the afternoon
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 I think i'm going to eat something in the afternoon
Io, italiano, direi "I think I'll go...".
Bye, FB
-- 
"Suppose I say I'm not interested."
"Does five hundred dollars interest you?"
"Very much."
"Then bring it: it's an expensive restaurant".
(The Cheap Detective)

> Io, italiano, direi "I think I'll go...".
Ma, facendo riferimento ad un momento programmato (nel pomeriggio) non
sarebbe meglio introdurre il going?
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"I think" sembra una decisione presa sul momento, non qualcosa di 
programmato.

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Concordo.
Ciao, FB
-- 
Nasalization is just a part of life.
(Joey DoWop Dee on it.cultura.linguistica.inglese)

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Questo si vede bene in una frase come "I think I'm going to faint" che
vuol dire "credo di stare per svenire" (cosa ovviamente né programmata
né decisa); invece, "I think I'll faint" vorrebbe dire "mah, quasi
quasi svengo!"
Giorgio