Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Come si sta ad Oxford?

Sto per prenotare un corso di inglese di due settimane, sono indecisa fra
Londra e Oxford.
Ci vado per studiare e parlare inglese a più non posso, per questo mi
chiedevo se Oxford è una città vivace che offre molto anche per il tempo
libero, oppure se è uno di quei posti tranquilli dove dopo le lezioni di
inglese te ne torni a casa e a nanna, e passi dall'insegnante alla famiglia
e viceversa.
Un consiglio, grazie!

 Londra e Oxford.
Non so darti nè un consiglio nè una risposta però è una domanda che mi pongo
anche io.
Voglio dire. Londra è una grande città, c'è di tutto e proprio per questo
rischia di essere dispersiva.
Infatti se uno "vuole parlare as much as possible" dovrebbe creare delle
situazioni, tipo vado a fare la spesa e mi intrattengo con la commessa.
Credo che queste situazioni non si possano facilmente verificare a Londra.
Inoltre essendovi a Londra un grande miscuglio di gente di origine diversa
si rischia di perdere "l'inglesità" (passatemi questa parola orrenda che ho
appena coniato...).
Insomma, voglio vedere come e se ti rispondono.
Ciao e buona Inghilterra
Andrea

 famiglia e viceversa.
Posso consigliarti una città più vicino. Se vorresti trovare un luogo dove
si sente l'inglese sempre e dappertutto, viaggia a Firenza.

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 si sente l'inglese sempre e dappertutto, viaggia a Firenza.
Qualche piccola correzione:
"Posso consigliarti una città più vicina. Se vuoi trovare un luogo dove
si senta l'inglese sempre e dappertutto, fai un viaggio/vai a Firenze."
"Viaggia a Firenze" non è sbagliato, formalmente, però non si dice. "Travel
to" si traduce generalmente con "andare, recarsi, fare un viaggio a". 
Puoi dire:
Io viaggio in treno/in barca/in auto
Io viaggio sempre da solo/in compagnia
Viaggio molto/poco
Mi piace/odio viaggiare
e
Vado in vacanza a Firenze
L'anno scorso ho fatto un viaggio in Turchia
HTH
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Ciao,
Anna

 
A very good example of the difference between "correct" and "acceptable 
(if formal)" language and the language that everyone uses.
I remember learning French in High School. We were taught that "Comment 
allez-vous?" means "How are you?" Then I went to France. "Ça va?" or "Ça 
marche?" was what I heard people say, and when I said "Comment allez-
vous?" I was laughed at.
Grazie, Anna.
-- 
I am Joey's Cat
Un-not my address, too, if you wanna reply.

 
On the night before my departure from Roma of my first visit there, I was 
sitting in Piazza della Repubblica, about 23:00, and they played 
"Arrivederci Roma." I looked around to see who was doing this to me... it 
seemed so corny, and yet... I got all misty-eyed!
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No, the other way around. I learned a little Italian from a 
former girlfriend, and realized I wanted to know more, so I bought some 
books. (I'm of Italian descent, but no one spoke Italian at home except 
my granparents but only when they wanted to converse without us 
understanding them... and even then it was dialectical, Sicilian or 
Calabrese.)
I then got interested in opera (Italian opera, of course) and really 
began to love the language. And the culture and people, no less, after 
visiting. You must go. There is no place like it. Don't worry if your 
spoken Italian isn't too good. They love it when you try (not like the 
Parisians... :)
In the one rare instance when someone would speak Italian to me at home, 
my zi' Lia, my "cummarri" used to say to me "chi si bedd'!" in her 
Sicilian... I was very young, and always wondered why she wanted me to 
"kiss the bed," as that's what I believed she was saying.
Very fond memories...
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(Sorry, jonny: you might not realize that is Sicilian for "che sei 
bello!")
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 si senta l'inglese sempre e dappertutto, fai un viaggio/vai a Firenze."
Grazie tanto, Anna. Non sapevo che si usa il congiuntivo in questo caso. Ho
pensato a 'fai un viaggio' e 'vai a', tutt' e due, ma.... boh! Non va bene
la condizionale 'vorresti'?

 la condizionale 'vorresti'?
No. Si può dire "Se (tu) volessi trovare un luogo dove...", ma renderebbe
la frase... troppo 'ipotetica'. Sembrerebbe sottintendere che non lo vuoi
realmente:
"Se tu volessi davvero andare a Firenze, ci andresti" (ma in realtà non lo
vuoi)
"Se vuoi sentir parlare inglese (e credo che tu lo voglia), vai a Firenze".
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Ciao,
Anna

Very fond memories...
Same here with my grandparents. Maybe you can tell me if this is true
or not Keltz? It seems to me that Italian-Americans are very proud of
their heritage, they celebrate being of Italian descent, you have
places like little Italy, same with Irish-Americans, Chinese ..etc
but, it seems to me that it's not the same with people from English
descent? there's no little England is there? I know you've got a few
"Smith's" in your country.

 an FB and sound like a member of the Italian aristocracy.
Yesterday, watching Prince Felipe's wedding on tv, I saw a member of the
"Italian aristocracy" yawning like a... He wasn't a man, he was a yawn
itself! There is nothing funnier than Italian aristocracy.
Anyway, in Italian there isn't a real standard pronunciation.
Bye, FB
-- 
"Gli americani sono ignoranti per loro stessa natura"
that is "The Americans are naturally ignorant"
(Paolo Bonardi on it.cultura.linguistica)

 bello!")
è "quanto sei bello" :-)

 moment, I  can't see a light at the end of the tunnel.
if you have an Icq account and you want to improve your Italian, feel free
to drop in whenever you need/want, my number is 94343771 :-)
bye!

, Ice wrote...
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ok. grazie.
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 but, it seems to me that it's not the same with people from English
Don't forget: the English were here first. There was no need for a 
"Little England" since the whole place was English.
Italian-Americans are proud of their heritage, but things were different 
when I was young. My parents (first-generation Americans; their parents 
came from Italy) were very proud to "be American" so they adapted very 
quickly and never learned the language. Even my mother, who was a very 
good cook, changed all *her* mother's recipes: she Americanized them.
My Aunt, my Godmother, the one I spoke of, came home from work one day 
when she was young (she related this story to me) all excited because 
some of the girls she worked with were planning a trip to Italy, and she 
was going to go with them. Her mother, my grandmother, talked her out of 
it because she didn't want her to see how bad off everyone was. All she 
knew (my grandmother) was the poverty in which she struggled to survive 
in Sicily. My Aunt reluctantly gave in, and didn't go with them.
When I was young, things were changing; people were adhering to their 
heritages more and more. I made a couple of trips to Italy with friends 
and came back with stars in my eyes. My Aunt was so moved that she asked 
if I would go back with her next time. I did, and I brought four others 
of her generation who had never been there and wouldn't have gone if I 
weren't with them. They were like kids in a candy store!
They've all passed on now, but one of my best times in life was traveling 
with them in Italia, and listening to them try to communicate. Between 
the few words they knew (either in Calabrese or Sicilian dialects) it was 
hysterical! I had to translate for them often -- from "italian" to 
"Italian!" :)
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ok. grazie.
you're welcome :)

 "kiss the bed," as that's what I believed she was saying.
That's a nice story! :-)
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