Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: A chemist

Ciao a tutti.
Sto tentando un'impresa che è un'eresia di per se: tentare di tradurre
una canzone in una lingua che non è la mia: l'Inglese. La canzone è
"Un chimico" di De André. Una lingua peraltro in cui faccio ancora
errori, visto che non la uso da un po'...
Vi va di discuterne per migliorarla un po' insieme? :-)
Sarò grato anche solo a chi mi vorrà segnalare gli errori che
sicuramente mi sono scappati.
Grazie
Marco C.
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Only Death brought me to the Hill
One body in the mass giving phosphorus to air
For camping of corpses that are said to be candles
That don't leave any ash, do not kill the frost
Only the Death brought me to the Hill.
As a Chemist one time, I had to be able
Of wedding the Elements and making reactions
But the Humans I never could understand
Why they shuffle themself  by using of love
Committing to a play the joy and the pain
Let's look at the smile, let's look at the colour
That  play on the face of who's looking for love
But a similar smile and a similar colour
Where is on the face of who had had love?
Where is on the face of who had had love?
It is s strange to leave without any pain
Without a bird face to have to retain
But is it different perhaps from your demise?
You that go out for love and to it you yeald?
What is the difference  from your demise?
Spring doesn't knock, she mightly go in
Like smoke she does enter every slit
She has lips of flesh and has hair of grain
What  a fear what a will of taken by hand
What a fear what a will of she brings you and go far.
But look at the Hydrogen, mum in the sea
But look at the Oxhygen on his side sleeping
Only the law,  that I can understand
Was able to marry'em without any outbreak
It's only the law,  that I can understand
I was a Chemist and no, I not  wanted to wed
I didn't know who and whom I'd generate
I died while making an experiment
As idiots, that die for loving affairs
And someone will say "there's a better way"

 affari amorosi e qualcuno dirà che "ci è un senso migliore"
no no, un t'un hai 'apito...
la canzone "il chimico" di De André è in italiano. Marco C. ci ha proposto 
la SUA traduzione, chiedendo di dare un occhiata,eventualmente correggere e 
discutere...
:)
Gyl 

 discutere...
Ma lo sa, Marco C., che la canzone di De André è una versione italiana
della poesia di Edgar Lee Masters? Che scopo ha la sua retroversione?

> And someone will say "there's a better way"
interessante però come discussione, ci sarà di che imparare.
bella anche la canzone peraltro.
Gyl 

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
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Caspita, non so se marco lo sa, ma io non lo sapevo =D
Grazie. 

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
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trovata l'originale:
Trainor the Druggist
   Only the chemist can tell, and not always the chemist,
What will result from compounding
Fluids or solids.
And who can tell
How men and women will interact
On each other, or what children will result?
There were Benjamin Pantier and his wife,
Good in themselves, but evil toward each other:
He oxygen, she hydrogen,
Their son, a devastating fire.
I Trainor, the druggist, a mixer of chemicals,
Killed while making an experiment,
Lived unwedded.
Edgar Lee Masters
caspita non si finisce mai di scoprire cose nuove. Oggi ho scoperto che 
"mum" vuole anche dire silenzioso, e ora questo...
se Valentino ricomincia a vincere sono a posto.

> Caspita, non so se marco lo sa, ma io non lo sapevo =D
Lo sapevo, ma sapevo anche che il testo di Masters e quello di De
André sono notevolmente diversi :-)

 Gyl
Marco C.

André sono notevolmente diversi :-)
hai effettivamente ragione, anche se il tema è esattamente lo stesso, il 
testo in se è diverso e sono dell'idea che valga la pena tradurlo.
Bella la poesia quanto la canzone comunque.
Gyl 

And someone will say "there's a better way"
Hope this has helped !
Mike 

 fuoco fatuo=presumably ignis fatuus = will-o'-the-whisp
wisp
Kiuhnm

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Sorry ! Careless .
Mike 


Ah , yes , I simply hadn't thought of the latter term (which isn't common) ,
but that's obviously what Marco was thinking of ; though , of course , the
corpses aren't 'said to be candles' - the corpse-candle is the flickering
light , like a candle-flame , and usually it was called a 'corpse-candle'
because it was supposed to presage an imminent death - not very appropriate
here ; but apparently (I just checked) in some places it was so called
because the flame was thought to represent the departing soul of the dead
person (as I suggested) . In any event , it's the flickering light which is
said to be the candle , but that still doesn't represent the 'fuochi che
dicono fatui' since the essential idea is the fact it's misleading to call
them candles (or ignes or fuochi) , since they give off no heat .
Mike