Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Gaol

I've seen this word in a Hithcock's movie, if I recall 
correctly, so I was astonished when I discovered its 
pronunciation is the same of 
Jail.
How was possible that?
Where does that word come from?
-- 
oggi no, domani sì

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I had to look it up. Apparently it is an old fashioned British
spelling of the word "jail" hence the same pronunciation.  I've never
heard of it before.

 heard of it before.
It was the more common spelling of the two in the Fifties and Sixties,
IIRC, but it's been gradually superseded by the Americanised spelling
"jail".
-- 
Mary

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Speaking of Oscar Wilde, (someone was... :) "The Ballad of Reading Gaol" is
interesting reading for a Wilde fan. (I should probably say "a fan of
Wilde" to avoid any double-meaning: Wilde/wild, as in fanatic.)
-- 
Pear pea a chair, Ray. Core Reggie eel me oh eat alien, oh... :)
Joey DoWop, working on a temporary account.

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Really? I thought it was an outdated spelling but still generally well
known... Never heard of "The Ballad of Reading Gaol" by Oscar Wilde?
Btw, a few days ago someone reported Asimov's witticism that "polish" is the
only English word which changes pronunciation on the basis of
capitalization: here's another example in Reading/reading. English always
goes one better than the devil... :-)
Lorenzo

 Lorenzo
-- 
oggi no, domani sì

 Jail.
Yep, it's also in a Genesis' work:
"but a prison in sand is a haven in hell
for a gaol I can give you a goal".
Ciao
Ale
-- 
Namárië Valinor

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I'm very curious: can you cite chapter and verse of the above quote? I'd
like to see if it's rendered as "jail" in my (American) bible. Thanks.
(I tried searching just now, but I got caught up in all the "And..",
"And..", "And..", "And..", "And..", "And..", "And..", "And..", "And..",
"And..", "And..", "And..", ... :( )
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 like to see if it's rendered as "jail" in my (American) bible. Thanks.
Credo che Alessandro non stia parlando della bibbia. Per la nuova
generazione, Genesis e un "pop group", 
http://snipurl.com/8yd2
, e la
citazione di Alessonro è sbagliata.
But a prison in sand
Is a haven in hell
For a jail can give you a goal
And a goal can find you a role
-- 
Xakero

 And a goal can find you a role
Google gives 119 hits for "For a gaol can give you a goal", and only 1
for "For a jail can give you a goal", so I assume Genesis used the
British "gaol" spelling.
-- 
Mary

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Ok, never mind. I guess I'm showing my age, if not my reading knowledge of
the Bible. <faccina arrossente>
I was just curious to see if in my bible it would have been "gaol" or
"jail", but that seems irrelevant now.
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 And a goal can find you a role
Uhm®... I doubled checked my record and I found that's "gaol", twice:
"Hey, man, I'm the sandmand
and boy have I news for you:
they gonna throw you in *gaol*
and you know they can't fail
'cause sand is thicker than blood"
and then the other quote.
I remember I stared for a long time to the booklet in the record, some
twenty years ago when I first read that lyrics. I went to my dictionary for
I clearly heard "jail" and I didn't understood why it was written in such a
strange manner.
Ciao
Ale
-- 
I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind
In balance with this life, this death.

 "And..", "And..", "And..", ... :( )
Genesis, ATOTT (A Trick Of The Tail), Chap. "Mad Man Moon", verses 22-30
(
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Mad-Man-Moon-lyrics-Genesis/9AF7FFCE
0A788CBF482569600014C3F1) :-)
Ciao
Ale
-- 
Osanna è scesa dall'alto dei cieli (Francesco)

 UhmŽ... I doubled checked my record and I found that's "gaol", twice:
Sě, hai ragione. Ho sbagliato io.
-- 
Xakero

> Uhm®... I doubled checked my record and I found that's "gaol", twice:
Si dice 'double-checked'.

 Sě, hai ragione. Ho sbagliato io.
HELP! The man's gone x-face mad!! (LOL) I Liked the First One.
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 strange manner. 
Maybe from French?
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I would hate anyone in the ng to be misled by the context into thinking that
the four lines immediately above are by Genesis ; they are by W. B. Yeats .
Chalk and cheese ...

 Si dice 'double-checked'.
But, there's an ancient, unknown book where...
heeee.... heeeee.... just kidding.
*blush*
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 HELP! The man's gone x-face mad!! (LOL) I Liked the First One.
Qeullo era il carattere tipografico Stardust.
Vorrei una collezione di immagini diversi (son semplicemente la lettera X)
per ogni giorno dell'anno (e uno molto speciale per il 29 febbraio) ma
sembra difficile trovare degli immagini adeguati a questo scopo
(bianco/nero 24x24 pixel).
Aspetta che cominci ad utilizzare caratteri cinesi :-)  
-- 
Xakero

 Maybe from French?
Middle English (1200-1500), from old northern French gaiole, old French
jaiole (now geôle) from Roman diminutive of Latin cavea CAGE
Source: Concise Oxford Dictionary, fifth edition, 1964
-- 
Xakero

 Chalk and cheese ...
Plagiari!
Al contrario, hanno fatto bene. In questo modo dei giovani che magari no
hanno mai letto una poesia hanno conosciuto qualche riga di un'opera di
Yeats.
-- 
Xakero

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Perchè non crearli, i immagini, te stesso?
Li prendi dai "font" o da immagini che trovi? 
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 Li prendi dai "font" o da immagini che trovi? 
Basta, basta, devo dirlo! "La immagine (l'immagine), le immagini". (faccina
sbigottina)
Ciao, FB
-- 
"Gli americani sono ignoranti per loro stessa natura",
that is "The Americans are naturally ignorant"
(Paolo Bonardi's opinion on it.cultura.linguistica -
http://snipurl.com/7ryg
)

 Perchč non crearli, i immagini, te stesso?
as FB wrote, the plural of "La immagine" is "Le immagini"
but the sentence still needs a "revision" though :)
in English you probably say "why don't you create images yourself?"
but a better italian translation would be "perchč non le crei tu le
immagini?"
obviously you can change the verb with "crei" with "fai", it just depends on
you :-)

 (bianco/nero 24x24 pixel)
48x48 pixel
per fortuna, già sono piccole così! :)
-- 
Maria Luisa C - 11/09/2004 10.11.34

 you :-)
Grazie.
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goes one better than the devil... :-)
Also:
bough, Bough
slough, Slough (at least, I think so)
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
BRITISH PUSH BOTTLES UP ENEMY