Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Uno dice, si dice

Uno dice = si dice
Credo che "uno dice" e "si dice" significino la stessa cosa, vero?
In inglese: "one says."
Ciao,
Ron
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Yes, but to tie in with the thread about passive use, a better idiomatic
translation would actually be a passive in English: "it is said that.."
or preferably "...is said..".
E.g.:
"Si dice che la zuppa di coda di canguro sia molto gustoso"
"Kangaroo-tail soup is said to be (supposed to be) very tasty".
Mary
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Ciao a te Ron 
"Uno dice" and "si dice" have basically the same meaning:
- E poi uno dice che i treni non arrivano mai....
- E poi si dice che i treni non arrivano mai...
But there are some (mainly stylistical) differences. F.ex.,  "uno
dice" shouldn't be used in telling stories, relating events etc. ("si
dice" has a definitely passive meaning = "č detto"):
- Si dice che la percentuale di analfabeti in Italia sfiorasse il 95%
verso il 1860
- Si dice che la principessa fosse stata sempre rinchiusa in una torre
(not *uno dice che...)
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 gustosA. "Zuppa" is a feminine noun.
Well done, Riccardo, you spotted the deliberate mistake!
I just put it in to give you the chance to get your own back, of course.
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Mary
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Hi John,
I knew that (my dad was from Sydney), but I've only ever heard of kangaroo
*tail* soup -- I always wondered what they do (che cosa si fa) with the
other bits??
Mary
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Hmmmmm, e' vero Cassidy che gli australiani fanno sempre gli sbagli di
proposito?
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No, no, that's the Irish!
(I see you've picked up the Italian habit of calling women by their
surnames!)
Mary
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They say (Si dice) that kangaroo soup is very tasty, and indeed IT IS
Kangaroo soup is said to be very tasty. E' una valida alternativa?
Heidi

surnames!)
Dear Mary,
I am sorry for both impolite oversights: calling your Gaelic self Australian and
then compounding the insult by calling you by your last name. I don't mean to
imply any lack of respect for Australians in general, but only that people tend
to be offended by cultural misidentification.
A couple of years ago I mistakenly asked a Sardinian restaurant owner who had
just immigrated to the US if he was from Naples. (Not an insult from my
perspective.) Che offeso! Within a few months he was dressing less flamboyantly
but it took much longer for him to be able to greet me without reserving some
perceptible haughtiness. I was bemused yet amused by the behavior because the
quality of food put me in such a good mood. The Italian habit I did pick up from
my family was an appreciation for good food that rises above the more mundane
aspects of the human condition, like cultural intolerance.
Thank you for taking lightly and without offense such kidding--but my apology is
extended nevertheless.
Sincerely,
Ron
USA


Don't worry, Ron, I'm not at all offended.
Actually I'm half-English, half-Australian, but my great-grandparents were Irish,
hence the surname. However, I was brought up in the UK, so I'm more English than
anything.
The Italians do call women by their surnames, but mostly among friends and
workmates; one of my girlfriends always calls me Cassidy. I was just surprised to
hear an American doing the same thing. Is it common over there? It's unknown in the
UK.
Here in the North of Italy (I'm not sure about the South) it's common to use the
definite article with the Christian name, not just the surname; you've probably
heard people say "la Callas", but here it's common to hear "la Mary", "l'Umberto",
etc., although it's frowned on in correct speech, I believe.
Mary
Still learning Italian after 20 years.
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Tie me kangaroo down, sport!
Sorry for my mistakes :=)
Kay

UK.
No it is not common here. However I grew up in an Italian-American family and it
was common among my relatives. My use of it was just an oversight.
Best wishes,
Ron
USA

In inglese: "one says."
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