Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Re: Pu

 Come si pu� tradurre "puttaniere"?
"whorizer" 
scherzo! ;-)
dovresti indicare il contesto, perch� il significato pu� cambiare

 Come si puï¿œ tradurre "puttaniere"?
Allora! Lo vogliamo lasciare in pace il Silvietto, sï¿œ o no???

 
I'm not totally sure of the Italian word, but what comes to mind is something 
like "whoremonger" or simply "lecher" but this latter doesn't necessarily 
imply making use of prostitutes.
-- 
Joe/Joey da New York

 I'm not totally sure of the Italian word,
[...]
The Italian word P. is often used in a broader sense, meaning a
prostitute-goer but also a desperate womanizer: "Basta che respira!"
;-) 
A King of Tarts? :DDD
(sometimes  as a joke between friends, "Come va, vecchio puttaniere?")

 A King of Tarts? :DDD
That's more suggestive of a pastry chef.
I would say, a pussy-hound.

 (sometimes  as a joke between friends, "Come va, vecchio puttaniere?")
The most common derogatory term would be 'womanizer'. One could also use 
'stud' as a derogatory term if it were said in a sarcastic way. Although 
   'slut' is most often used for females, it can be used to describe a 
man who lacks discrimination in his choices of numerous sexual partners.

 I would say, a pussy-hound.
But a lame one, someone who would even pay for it.

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If you want to specifically say that the person secures the services of 
prostitutes, he would be called by the slang term 'john'; that is, "he 
is a john". However, this term isn't used to describe a person's 
character as (it seems) does the term 'puttaniere' but rather his role 
in a transaction, and it doesn't necessarily imply that he engages in 
repeat business.
I don't think that English has a common term that is used for someone 
who is a perpetual john, although I'd be happy to introduce the term 
'Republican', and I would suggest their history of scandals and 
notorious support of the free market as supporting argument.

 
It might not be very common (in the US) but it's not archaic. Most often 
nowadays it's shortened to "lech."
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"Joe/Joey da New York" <joe...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:0001HW.C66D7558...@news.eternal-september.org...
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In the UK , too , 'lech' and 'lecher' are perfectly standard words , 
certainly not archaic ; as Joe says , they don't imply association with 
prostitutes , though they have (UK , anyway) a 'dirty old man' connotation : 
on a scale of disapproval :- ladies' man - womaniser - lecher . I wouldn't 
say 'whoremonger' is archaic , either : it's certainly been around a long 
time , and may not be all that common , but we don't have another word for 
it ; if the latest revelations about Berlusconi are true , then a critic 
might well use the word about him , though I see that it's wrongly used in 
the English translation of a piece in Beppe Grillo's blog (Feb. 09) , where 
it appears repeatedly : what BG says is  'La strategia politica dello 
psiconano ï¿œ quella del puttaniere. Una volta capito questo, tutte le sue 
azioni diventano piï¿œ chiare. In cosa consiste questa strategia? E' semplice, 
il puttaniere ci prova sempre. Non si pone problemi a sfiorare una coscia o 
a toccare un seno. Se la donna tace, la sua mano avanza. In caso di rifiuto, 
dirï¿œ di essersi sbagliato, non aveva capito, non nutriva cattive intenzioni. 
Fino alla volta successiva in cui le toccherï¿œ il culo' - this is a 
description of a lecher , not a whoremonger .
Mike 

 'Republican', and I would suggest their history of scandals 
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It's fortunate that the Kennedys and Clinton were so chaste. :P

 It's fortunate that the Kennedys and Clinton were so chaste. :P
It's more fortunate that they were fiscally responsible and didn't pay 
for it.

Tony the Ice Man wrote on 29/6/2009 17:50 in
it.cultura.linguistica.inglese:
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Yes, it's fortunate White House interns are not paid...
at least Ms. Lewinsky, don't know about JFK's
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/24/jfk-secret-affair-intern-book
Interestingly, 
guardian.co.uk
 writes:
'Kennedy was helped by an acquiescent press. "A lot of the press corps
thought that this was going to blow up eventually. This is the sort of
thing that legitimate newspaper people don't write about or don't even
make any implications about. It was kind of a big joke. Everyone knew
about it and there were a lot of sly remarks made," she said.'
Times Online even reports claims that some of the girls were paid. Who
knows!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article519501.ece

 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article519501.ece
This kind of speculation poses an interesting problem. If someone else 
pays a prostitute for you, can that be considered as your own fiscal 
irresponsibility? I'm also intrigued by those who say that J. Edgar 
Hoover was a crossdresser. I'm not sure when a story becomes history or 
when it remains urban legend. But, I'm not old enough to have followed 
the news about this stuff, as I can follow contemporary news about right 
wing conservatives with an appetite for hookers.
Okay, if you don't like my suggestion that we use the word "Republican" 
for puttaniere, I'm not so enthusiastic about influencing the direction 
of the language that I'll insist. But, I may start using puttaniere as a 
term of my respect for certain conservative American politicians, much 
like cavaliere was once used in Sicilia.


I guess the word is bipartisan.

 Perch� hai pudore a scrivere "p***aniere"?
E tu perch� non ne hai?
E' parola marcata come "volg." su tutti i dizionari.
E il pudore non � un difetto.
-- 
Anna

 Perch� hai pudore a scrivere "puttaniere"?
I was (roughly) sticking with the subject of this thread. 
Besides we use the initial of the word at hand as in dictionaries.

 E il pudore non � un difetto.
In una discussione di lessico il pudore non c'entra.

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Nel post iniziale del thread, l� dove � utile, la parola � scritta nella
sua fulgida integrit�, non � indispensabile ripeterla per tutto il thread.
-- 
Anna

 ;-)
Non so, ma se avessimo parlato di "pinzellacchere", s�, sicuramente:
troppo lungo da riscrivere! ;-)
Nota per� che nella prima risposta non ho abbreviato.

 Mi scuso se ho offeso qualcuno.
Mann�, figurati, se ne son lette di peggio :)
-- 
Anna

 I guess the word is bipartisan.
To some extent all vice is bipartisan, but there was truth underlying my 
jab aimed at Republicans who are, too frequently, hypocrites about their 
'values'. It's a common enough observation in the U.S. that others have 
joked about it, too.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/232638/july-01-2009/the-clinton-curse