Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Been / bin

Ciao a tutti,
In molti telefilm ambientati nella costa occidentale degli Stati Uniti ho 
sentito che "been" lo pronunciano "bin". Poichè non mi è sembrato che nelle 
serie tv/sit-com ambientate nell'altra costa la pronuncia sia la stessa, mi 
chiedevo se davvero a ovest dicono "bin" e a est invece lo dicessero in modo 
"standard".
Qualcuno mi sa rispondere?
Grazie!
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
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 Qualcuno mi sa rispondere?
Esistono due forme. La forma debole è quella che chiami "standard". 
L'altra è la forma forte.
Kiuhnm

 L'altra è la forma forte.
Le ho invertite :)
"bin" = forma debole
"bean" = forma forte
Kiuhnm

 e a est invece lo dicessero in modo "standard".
Anch'io l'ho sempre pronunciato 'bin'!!! Perchè come andrebbe pronunciato?
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 Anch'io l'ho sempre pronunciato 'bin'!!! Perchè come andrebbe pronunciato?
Ehm... mi sa che non hai capito quello volevo dire. Io per "bin" intendevo 
il termine inglese corrispondente a "cestino", non la trascrizione 
all'italiana della pronuncia di "been".
;-)
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 "bean" = forma forte
Ops... mi bastava guardare nel dizionario!
Mi immaginavo chissà che, e invece...  va be', grazie comunque!
;-)
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 Grazie!
I say "bin" (recipiente).  I've nver heard anything else on the west
coast (unless it was from an ESL student).
bye
A.

 coast (unless it was from an ESL student).
I guessed it right, then!
:-))
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That reminds me of some Italian friends who insisted on always saying
"thee" and "ay" instead of ''"thuh" and "uh". I had to bring my
radiolina tuned to the BBC so they could hear the correct
pronunciation. If such a simple thing can be a problem, ......?
Joe from Massachusetts

 "thee" and "ay" instead of ''"thuh" and "uh".
Uhm... what does "thuh" stand for?
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 ;-)
Ah, ok! :-)
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The "weak" pronunciation of the definite article, often avoided by
beginning students of English.
 
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82277&dict=CALD
Joe from Massachusetts

  
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82277&dict=CALD
To be precise, there two weak forms:
"~a" before a consonant and
"~e" before a vowel.
Kiuhnm

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The "long" or "strong" pronunciation is before a vowel, facilitating
elision..
The "weak" or "short" pronunciation is before a consonant.
I don't know what you mean by "two weak forms".
Joe from Massachsetts

 I don't know what you mean by "two weak forms".
"The" is pronounced "za" before a consonant and "ze" before a vowel, but 
pronounced "zee" (zi) when you are emphasizing it (Collins Cobuild).
Kiuhnm

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That would be two strong pronunciations and one weak pronunciation,
but I think it is a matter of opinion as to whether the second strong
form you mention really exists. You could just as easily say that the
length of a vowel at the end of any word could be longer when the word
is emphasized, but that doesn't make it a different pronunciation.
Joe from Massachusetts

 is emphasized, but that doesn't make it a different pronunciation.
I've found something here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The
Kiuhnm

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Well, let's say that "the" can be used with a special meaning, to emphasize one 
of a group or type as the most outstanding or prominent, as the American 
Heritage Dictionary says, and in that usage it is generally stressed...
"considered Lake Shore Drive to be *the* neighborhood to live in these days".
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Enrico C
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