Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Judges...

I was watching some clips from "British got talent" on youtube and I noticed
they often pronounce "judges" as [Jooj] (I'm probably wrong with that
phonetic, since I really don't know how to use it, but I mean something that
in Italian sound "Giug"), while I tought the sound was [Juj] ("Giag"), also
for British English (as I can hear on 
thefreedictionary.com
)
Is there a difference in pronouncing judge as verb and judge as noun? I mean
something like "to live" and live (noun)

 something like "to live" and live (noun)
If I understood correctly what you mean, it is just a matter of accent.
The show hosts Ant and Dec are from Newcastle, and they both kept their 
local accent, especially Ant.

 they often pronounce "judges" as [Jooj] 
Il plurale lo si deve sentire comunque. Da quello che dici, avrai 
ascoltato parlare degli inglesi del nord / centro-nord dell'Inghilterra. 
Una vocale simile la si ha con "pub", "mother".
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
-- 
La parola tradisce l'ossessione (Baudelaire)

 local accent, especially Ant.
Yes, I've heard saying "giudges" from one them ( I can't say which ).
But I said "they", because I also heard saying so in another episode, and 
not from Ant nor Dec (but can't remember from whom).

 Una vocale simile la si ha con "pub", "mother".
Cio� dicono "pub" come lo diremmo noi in italiano?
E' mother? "mother"* o "muther"* ?
Altra cosa: ho sentito un concorrente dire "jung"*, per dire "young", anche
questo � un accento del nord?
*( ho abbandonato la trascrizione fonetica
perche' non sono in grado.Intendo il virgolettato proprio come lo si
leggerebbe in italiano)

 questo � un accento del nord?
Non ne ho idea.
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 Sempre la "u".
Hi,
I'm reading a book on linguistic, A mouthful of air by Anthony Burgess and I 
think I'd be interesting to report his comments about the RP /V/ sounds 
(i.e., the vowel sound of cup) and his (mis?)pronounciation by people from 
the North of the country.
NB: in what follows I'll write /7/ for the close-mid back unrounded vowel 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_back_unrounded_vowel
 (the IPA symbol 
is a kind of lower-case gamma). This is (according to Burgess) the u-like 
sound Northeners use for both RP /V/ and /U/.
From pag 58:
"The IPA shows this [sound] as /V/ (*). It is a sound of comparatively 
recent origin, meaning that it was unknown in Shakespeare's time (he rhymes 
'love' and 'prove'), and it still puzzles people of the English Midlands and 
the North. Even Cockneys, who belong to the heart of English culture, say 
/lav/ for 'love' [NB: /a/ is the Italian a-sound]. As a Mancunian [from 
Mancherster], I still find the sound exotic; I am drawn to /7/ as a means of 
dealing with the vowels in both 'put' and 'putt'. 'Put your club upon the 
putting-green' has, in RP, one /U/ and two /V/s, but Manchester will prefer 
to use three /7/s. Southerners think that they hear 'a /kUp/ of /SVg@/' for 
'a cup of sugar' in the speech of a Northerner who is trying unsuccessfully 
to come to terms with RP. But in both the key words words the vowel is /7/.
(*) In RP, /V/ is normally further forward in the mouth than this. It seems 
to be a slippery vowel, not quite sure of itself."
Personally I've always found /V/ a difficult sound to master, perhaps the 
most difficult of all in English. At least now I know I'm in good company 
:-)
Lorenzo 

 Cio� dicono "pub" come lo diremmo noi in italiano?
Cio� pab come in "papi" e "Pasquale"? No no, niente del genere :DDD

 Credo di s�, a quanto dice Delu, dovrebbe essere un inglese di Newcastle
Se vuoi provare a fare l'orecchio a quell'accento e vedere anche un gran 
bel film, recupera, ovviamente in lingua originale, Billy Elliot, 
ambientanto nel 1984 a Newcastle durante lo scopero dei minatori.

 most difficult of all in English. 
Io faccio sempre fatica a pronunciare correttamente la vocale di "book".
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No, no, io intendevo proprio come si pronuncia l'inizio della parola 
[pub]blico


ma uno gli smiley che li mette a fare? 

 ma uno gli smiley che li mette a fare?
Scusa, non mi sono abituato allo humor inglese.
Non credevo fosse una battuta (che, tra l'altro, continuo a non capire. 
"Pab" per arrivare a pap[i], mi sembra un po' una forzatura...)

 [pub]blico
Ho un amico ex-collega che e' nato e cresciuto nello Yorkshire che
pronuncia la u di pub (o di Putney) come la u dell'Italiano, la oo di
book (o di took) come una u lunga come un treno, e la ou di mouth (o
di south) come la a dell'italiano.
--
ale
http://ale.riolo.co.uk

 Non credevo fosse una battuta (che, tra l'altro, continuo a non capire. 
La vocale inglese in pub
http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=pub&submit=Submit
non � esattamente la stessa che trovi nella prima sillaba delle parole
italiane "papi" e "Pasquale" (o "Pablo", se preferisci), per� dagli
italiani viene pronunciata allo stesso modo.