Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Magari

hey,
	What exactly does the word magari mean?  i know that when I look
it up in a dictionary it says somethin like "if only" but i'm not really
sure that i know what that means or how to use it because I always seem
to hear it used in sentences where that doesn't really fit.  i guess it
has abunch of different meanings right?  i've heard it used as as a
stand
alone word like "magari!", as the first word of a sentence, or after the
word se.  And another thing are there any semi good translators out
there
that i can download for free?  i don't have the money to actually go out
and buy one, and i probably wouldn't need all the features that it
provides
anyway, but I just wanted one like 
altavista.com
 but better.  i know
enough
italian to know that altavista is not very good for translating
sentences
longer than a few words.  mostly what i'm actually looking for is a
translator
that can recognize common idomatic expressions and translate them
correctly
instead of always just doin it word for word like most of the cheap ones
do.
	And another thing:  i just had family come from Milan last summer
to visit and since you always hear the the north is more "developed"
then
the south i thought that they would maybe be able to speak a little bit
better just like here in usa there are parts where people just speak
better
english than others.  but what I noticed was that in common everyday
speech
i never heard them use that past subjunctive tense(is that what it's
called?)
for example: cantassi(cantare) even when the sentense called for it(i
believe)
they didn't use it.  Also i noticed that my dad(coming from the south)
and
all his relatives seem not to use the conditional tense that often. 
they
seem to use the imperfect tense for a lot of things.  And sometimes, it
even sounds wrong to me!  But i was just wondering is the past
subjunctive
tense(if that's what its called) used in everyday speech?  I know that
in
english we use the conditional tense more often.
	And another thing, I was wondering why i always see that by
going to italy, or watching tv or being on the internet that italians
seem
to use a lot of english words(i see this especially in songs!).  Why is
this?  because the spanish seem to be just the opposite.  Over here in
usa we're very close to all the spanish countries, and many of them are
actually coming and living in america, but still don't seem to want to
speak any english the language.  infact, they've been for a long time
trying to
change the official language of the state of Florida to spanish(or
english
and spanish!!!).
I'm not even going to attempt to translate this to italian so I hope
that
everyone will understand it.
Dave
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You are right; it's a pity that I don't know why Italian is so permeable to
English words.

 Dave
In fact, over there they speak spanglish :))
Carlo

 this?  because the spanish seem to be just the opposite.
Partly because foreign (especially English) words are considered cool by
younger people, partly because in some fields (especially IT), English words
have been adopted without translation.
I think it's a pity, because Italian's becoming something of a hybrid
language as a result, but I guess it's too late to stop the trend.
Mary
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So once again, I didn't read any further (I wonder whether anybody else did?),
missed your very long and detailed explanation, and replied myself.
Do you think you could put your signature at the very end in future, so it
doesn't happen again?
Mary
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Er... sorry, could you explain the pun? (My wits have obviously been blunted by
too much staring at the screen - or was it abstruse Unix jargon?)
Mary
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doesn't happen again?
Magari questo lo mettiamo nelle FAQ.
Peltio

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I vote against that.

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speak any english the language.
Are you sure ? A survey was made in California not long ago, and it turned
out that the immigrants didn't want to use Spanish any more, but only
English.
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Magari questo lo mettiamo nelle FAQ.
Magari... :-)
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vedevi". You have to use the imperfect in both clauses for it to be
correct.
Well, it might be correct in spoken Italian, but if you want to put down
such an idea, you should write "se tu fossi venuto ieri, lo avresti visto".
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ketchup tube.

 Well, it might be correct in spoken Italian, but...
No, e' sbagliato anche nell'italiano parlato :)

 You have to use the imperfect in both clauses for it to be correct.
Sarebbe perfetto dire: "Se (tu) fossi venuto ieri, lo avresti visto".
Ma ormai fanno parte del parlare comune frasi come quella da te
citata; importante, in questi casi, come tu giustamente puntualizzi, è
l'uso dello stesso tempo nelle due proposizioni:
	"Se venivi">>"lo vedevi". (Se[tu]fossi venuto, lo avresti visto)
	"Se verrai">>"lo vedrai". (Se[tu]venissi, lo vedresti)
	"Se vieni">>"lo vedi". 	 (... come sopra ...)
Ciao
	Mariuccia

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 parecchio; magari, se vieni anche tu, ci dai man forte".
La frase suona male, a me mi... sol si re fa.
Dopo il 'magari' segue un periodo ipotetico che non rende bene il desiderio.
Io scriverei così:
"Ci sarà da discutere parecchio; *magari* venissi anche tu! [ottativa];
(se tu lo facessi) potresti darci man forte [ipotetica]"
E per "alleggerire" (e mi sembra migliore):
"Ci sarà da discutere parecchio; *magari* venissi anche tu! [ottativa];
(se lo farai) potrai darci man forte [ipotetica]"
Che ne dici?
Seb


E che vuoi che ti dica!?
Magari ... se ... mi dai il *la*; e ... magari... anche il *do* :-)))
Scherzi a parte. Dico che, evidentemente, quanto ho espresso fa parte
del mio parlare quotidiano e informale; infatti -a volte- uso il
*magari* in costrutti simili a quelli da me trascritti. Non ricordo,
invece, di averli mai messi per iscritto, tranne in quel mio
"esprimermi" telematico con Mary prima, con te adesso, con ... ^_^.
	Ciao
		Mariuccia

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 E i nodi, anziché sciogliersi, sembra si ingarbuglino sempre di più!!
E che fa? questi sono "nodi parlati", che in gergo marinaresco son quelli
che servono per imbragare un oggetto e issarlo a bordo. Immagina se
tentassimo di sollevare un congiuntivo senza fissarlo bene, rischieremmo di
perderlo in mare... sai nuotare, Mariu'? magari no, magari sì... ma perché
bagnarsi? Annodiamo... e oooohhh issaaaa!
Seb