Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Uso di of

Ciao,
un chiarimento sull'uso di of: č meglio dire "Automatic check of 
tickets" o "Automatic tickets check"?
Qual'č la regola?
Grazie

 Qual'č la regola?
"Qual'č" is wrong.

 "Qual'č" is wrong.
I know it's wrong, but I don't know why. I guess I feel like asking you
that. :P
Why is it wrong?
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Because this is a case of "troncamento", rather than "elisione". The 
latter needs the apostrophe, not the former.
As a general rule, to determine whether the apostrophe is needed or not, 
try to use the word in front of another one beginning with a consonant. 
Think of "qual buon vento ti porta?"; you won't use the apostrophe here, 
as you won't use it in "voler andare". "Voler" and "qual" are truncated 
words which can stand by themselves.
Examples of the other case (elisione) could be "l'amore" e "bell'amico": 
"l'" and "bell'", alone, do not make sense.
HTH

 Why is it wrong?
http://www.accademiadellacrusca.it/faq/faq_risp.php?id=3779&ctg_id=93

 what about "automatic cheking tickets" ?
Scusami, toglimi una curiosità,
ma per caso hai lavorato in Giappone?

 latter needs the apostrophe, not the former.
I understand. These kind of errors are often made by native speaker, I
think. When I say "Qual e'" I pronounce it "qual'e'", because of that
it's quite easy to write "Qual'e'" instead of "Qual e'".
Thanks.
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 When I say "Qual e'" I pronounce it "qual'e'"
???
Do you normally put pauses between words when you speak?
Kiuhnm

 Do you normally put pauses between words when you speak?
Yes.
Do you say "ciaociccio" or "ciao ciccio"?
I say "ciao ciccio".
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 I say "ciao ciccio".
Either you're not aware of the way you speak Italian or you're pulling 
my leg.
Kiuhnm

 my leg.
LOL.
As you wish.
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 I say "ciao ciccio".
Un qualche tuo antenato deve essere stato un sintetizzatore vocale.
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Enrico il Pentolaio.
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 Un qualche tuo antenato deve essere stato un sintetizzatore vocale.
How do you say "qual cosa"?
Do you pronounce it like "qualcosa"?
I don't. That's I was trying to say.
[Followup-to: poster]
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 it's quite easy to write "Qual'e'" instead of "Qual e'".
What should be the difference in pronunciation between the two? I can't 
think of any... as Kiuhmm noted, you dont' say "qual (pause) e'", unless 
you are into some kind of poetic reading...

 Do you pronounce it like "qualcosa"?
"qual cosa" e "qualcosa" sono due forme distinte, il tuo esempio dunque 
e' irrilevante

 you are into some kind of poetic reading...
If you want there was a quite interesting thread about that kind of
things, among other, on "it.cultura.linguistica.italiano".
'la "i" di "ciao" si pronuncia?', if my memory serves me correctly.
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 I don't. That's I was trying to say.
*That's what
Sorry.
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 e' irrilevante
Frase ipotetica, bruttissima:
"..., la qual cosa è sicuramente qualcosa di..."
L'unica differenza che noto, pronunciando le parole qui sopra, è che 
"qual cosa" è più lento di "qualcosa", ma solo per un fatto di 
intonazione della frase, mica perché sono due parole staccate e una 
intera. Parlando più velocemente, diventano uguali.
Oh Akira, ma quando dovevi contare le sillabe di un verso di una poesia, 
come facevi con l'elisione?
:-)


 These kind of errors are often made by native speaker,
"This kind of errors is often[...]"


I thought there were only two correct forms:
1) This kind of error is ...
2) These kinds of errors are ...
Kiuhnm

 2) These kinds of errors are ...
Mmmm... I wouldn't know, "this kind of errors is" sounds correct enough 
to me.

):

Correct.. In this context I would go with "these kinds of errors are..."
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 Correct.. In this context I would go with "these kinds of errors are..."
Thank you all. It wasn't a typo, it was a mistake.
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 to me.
I also think it's fine, as it is in Italian.