Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Aren't I

Giň
-Tutto ciň che puň esistere, esiste.
          (Tullio Regge)


Ma (qui in Inghilterra) 'Aren't I' č del tutto comune , e invece 'am I not?' 
č molto formale ; 'ain't I?' č dialettale (oppure si usa in modo scherzoso) 
.
Mike 

 sulla validità (soprattutto degli insegnanti)
le insegnanti, quando ci andavo io nove dieci anni fa, erano dei tranci di
figa pazzeschi e un paio, australiane, la davano anche
(da it.cultura.linguistica.inglese)

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faresti un favore, perché agli utenti normali non è possibile leggerla in
toto.
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(Janis Joplin)
12/10/2005 0.06.29

 toto.
In che senso?
Ciao, FB
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 Cioč...che vantaggio da rispetto a "am I not?" o a "ain't I?" ?
Questo link e' comunque interessante:
http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/drlang003.html
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sě, fallo per favore.  :-)
pliiiiiiiiiiiz
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Giò
-Tutto ciò che può esistere, esiste.
          (Tullio Regge)

 "an't I"! Qualcosa mi ritorna!!
Sono secoli che non si usa... 
-- 
Mary

 Ma (qui in Inghilterra) 'Aren't I' è del tutto comune
Anche qui.
ari

Sono secoli che non si usa... 
Sì, ma l'ho già incontrato.
O forse mi pare.
O forse no.
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Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
(Janis Joplin)
12/10/2005 7.42.31

 Cioč...che vantaggio da rispetto a "am I not?" o a "ain't I?" ?
Non so se puň esserti utile, un libro di grammatica scritto in italiano dice 
questo:
"Nelle frasi interrogative-negative č usata quasi esclusivamente la forma 
contratta. Le forme non contratte am I not ? are you not? ecc. sono usate 
raramente, per lo piů in linguaggio molto formale prevalentemente scritto. 
Si noti che la forma interrogativa negativa contratta di 1° persona 
singolare č aren't I poichč am I not? non č contraibile: Aren't I clever?."
Poi c'č una nota in cui dice:
"Esiste anche una formula contratta ain't considerata gergale sia in inglese 
britannico che americano, molto usata nelle canzoni: It ain't me babe (Bob 
Dylan)"

 toto.
Copiata a manina (è stato un piacere, così l'ho letta attentamente).
QUOTE
(Merriam Webster's Dictionary of English Usage)
*aren't I*   /Aren't I/ has been a bugbear of American commentators since
about the beginning of the 20th century. Frank H. Vizetelly in his many
guises is one of the earliest. In /Mend Your Speech/ he terms it erroneous,
and in the /Literary Digest/ (5 June 1926) a solecism; in the same magazine
in February 1927 he says, "It is to be hoped that American editors will
curb this undesirable alien. It has no authoritative standing anywhere, not
even in England, and its usage is marked evidence of illiteracy." Strong
words. What occasioned such vehemence?
   It is a widely noted phenomenon of modern English that there is no
satisfactory filler for the blank in sentences like this: "I'm a little
late,_____I?" Perhaps the most logical filler, /ain't/, has been cried down
successfully by pedagogues (see AIN'T), leaving only /amn't/, /a'n't/ or
/an't/, and /aren't/. Now, strange as it may seem, these three boil down to
the same thing. /Amn't/, which Gowers in Fowler 1965 says is still in use
in Scottish and Irish English, in Southern English speech loses the sound
of the /m/ and becomes /a'n't/ or /an't/, which are attested in print from
the late 17th century. /Aren't/ is a fairly recent contraction; we have
little evidence of its existence before the 20th century. (We do have a
Boswellian transcription "I ar'n't" from the speech of a "poor boy from the
country" in 1775, but it probably is only Boswell's way of transcribing the
sound other writers spelled /an't/ or /a'n't/.) In Sounthern English Speech
it is pronounced the same, or nearly the same, as /an't/. Thus the same
spoken word could be realized in writing by either /an't/ or /aren't/. For
reasons that we do not understand, the spelling /aren't/ began to replace
/an't/ in /aren't I/ in British drama and fiction early in this century.
This /aren't I/, then, is a curious hybrid: its meaning comes from /am/ and
its spelling from /are/.
   /Aren't I/ on paper looks incongrous, and in those American dialects
that pronounce the /r/, it sounds incongrous. Thus the early outrage of
American commentators. Many later commentators have also disparaged the
expression, though the bases for objection have grown more diverse. Several
point out its ungrammaticality; Krapp 1927 found it "sometimes employed in
a kind of kittenish feminine English" (an opinion recorded by Evans 1957
and paraphrased by Copperud 1964); Shaw 1975 calls it pompous and affected;
Red Smith, a Harper 1975 panelist, termed it a "Nice Nelly usage."
   But the acceptability of the phrase has been growing. There never seems
to have been much fuss about it in England; Fowler 1926 doesn't mention it
at all, nor do Treble & Vallins 1937; Partridge 1942 notes that the
spelling is common but disapproves it (he favors /a'n't/); Gowers in Fowler
1965 terms it "colloquially respectable." American commentators have begun
to soften their opposition; Bremner 1980 plumps for its acceptance;
Reader's Digest 1983 finds it perfectly reasonable for those who dislike
the orther alternatives. Both the Heritage and Harper usage panels find it
acceptable in speech, although they reject it in writing in favor,
presumably, of uncontracted /am I not?/ (What point the distinction between
speech and writing has in this instance is unclear, since the form is
unlikely to appear in writing except in recorded speech, actual or
fictional, or in very informal writing that is close to speech.) Safire
(N.Y. Times Mag., 23 May 1982) prefers /ain't I/, however.
   Given the continuing hostility to /ain't I/, it looks as though 
/aren't I/ will win its way to respectability on both sides of the
Atlantic.
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Bye, FB
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 Copiata a manina (č stato un piacere, cosě l'ho letta attentamente).
Tu sei un pazzo :-), o non hai davvero nulla da fare :-p
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