Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Italian Verbs!

Ciao e tutti,
I am struggling to learn my Italian verbs at the moment.=
I expect you learn them all at school while your brains 
are still nice and malleable! 
This week am trying to remember "Sedere" which is the 
most difficult one I have found so far!
I was wondering, which is the MOST difficult Italian verb 
to conjugate? Which is the one that is used incorrectly 
most often, that is if it is not the same one of course!
Non e facile ma lo provare!
Salve
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most often, that is if it is not the same one of course!
essere? venire?
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 most often,
I vote for "mancare".  I don't think it's the most difficult to
conjugate, but Americans have a hell of a time with it.  Mancare and
to miss have two completely different constructions, but most of the
time it doens't sink in so you find stuff like "io manco te" or "io
manco tu" for "I miss you".
Piacere is probably the first runner-up.
bye
ari

Sono d'accordo con CFCARRERA.
L'Italia mi manca oggi.
And I'm still not sure.  But, I do miss Italy.
Martino.
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 wrote on 9/15/03 11:02 PM:
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And I'm still not sure. But, I do miss Italy.
Long time no read.
Nice to have you back, Martin. How have you been?
Ciao,
-- 
Isa
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Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching
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 Salve
"Salve" is usually used when you meet someone, not when you leave! And 
it's a bit formal. Let's call by first name on the net, shall we? :)
Cheers
-- 
Enrico C

 it's a bit formal.
I use "salve" also when I'm leaving. Especially when I'm not sure
between "ciao" and "buongiorno"/"buonasera".
However, it is a wish for health.
Do you think it is a bit obsolete? :)
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between "ciao" and "buongiorno"/"buonasera".
I've never used "salve" when I was leving, I use "arrivederci"
instead. I do use "salve" a lot of times when I don't know if I have
to say "ciao" or "buongiorno"/"buonasera", but only when I meet
somebody. When I'm leaving I do not say neither "buongiorno" nor
"buonasera" but ciao, if it's not formal, and "arrivederci" if I have
to be formal. When I do not know what do say I use "arrivederci".
"Salve" sounds to me only like something I'd say when meeting
somebody.
Sebastiano
-- 
Eye aisle bee ware yew wont mi two b;
Aye isle b yore ayes;
Ay aisle pleas u;
Yew no u knead mi, deer.

 "Salve" sounds to me only like something I'd say when meeting
sě... perň puň andare anche salve... (non č correttissimo, ma non cosě
sbagliato)

sbagliato)
Ti credo sulla parola. Io non l'ho mai sentito usare andandosene, ma
sono un noto distratto.
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 Piacere is probably the first runner-up.
I had the same "problem" learning English, but you can manage in an
afternoon.
Ciao, FB

 it's a bit formal. Let's call by first name on the net, shall we? :)
"Salve" is abhorred by some people (my former teacher of English, also known
as "the witch", for instance). Ah, "aborrire" is somewhat tricky (whereas
"esigere" is bastardo ==> one more useful word to learn):
Io aborro
tu aborri
...
But it has a regular conjugation as well:
Io aborrisco
tu aborrisci
...
And, after all, it's anything but basic.
Good luck! (you may ask for advice here and on
it.cultura.linguistica.italiano)
Ciao, FB

 Hmmm.
Huh? :)
-- 
Enrico C

 Do you think it is a bit obsolete? :)
Dunno. I feel it's kind of "neither meat nor fish" thing (er... so to 
speak... what's the correct English idiom for ours?)
-- 
Enrico C

 manco tu" for "I miss you".
Ma sei ubriaco o che altro ?... :-)))
Hai beccato l'unico verbo regolare della grammatica italiana.
C'è solo da dire che in italiano è intransitivo, al contrario dell'inglese,
ma questo è il minimo da sapere !!!...
-- 
Er Roscio.

 most often, that is if it is not the same one of course!
"Nascere" (to be born) comes to mind. It is "io nasco" in the presente, "io
nacqui" in the passato remoto, "nato" in the participio passato.
But this is still not as tricky as the so-called "suppletive conjugations",
where two or more originally unrelated verbs happened to merge in the same
paragims.
E.g. "andare" (to go) used the root "and-" in some forms (e.g.: noi andiamo,
voi andate) but the root "va(d)-" in others (e.g.: io vado, tu vai). Same
for "essere" (to be), which uses three different roots ("es-/s-/",
"fu-/fo-", and "sta-"), two of which are highly irregular.
BTW, also the English verbs "to be" and "to go" have suppletive
conjugations: "go" and "went" were originally two different verbs, as were
"is", "be" and "was". Suppletivism is in fact a characteristic of all the
Indo-European language group, to which both English and Italian belong.
But I think that the most disturbing Italian verbs, even for we Italians,
are the "defective verbs", i.e. verbs which lack one or more forms, leaving
you open-mouthed in the middle of a sentence for the lack of the tense,
mood, or person that you needed.
E.g. "urgere" (to be urgent) only has the presente tenses, so you can say
"it is urgent", but there is no way you can say "it WAS urgent" or "it WILL
BE urgent" -- unless you use a different verb, of course. Another example is
"tangere" (to skim), which only has the 3rd persons of the present; so you
can say "it skims", "they skim" but not "I skim" or "it skimmed".
Be', buono studio! :-)
Ciao.
Marco
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enri...@spamcop.net
 says...
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Neither flesh nor fowl or good red herring!!
(No I will not try and translate that into Italiano)
I have been bidden "salve" on leaving cafe's in Liguria
Anyway in the uk we might say "good health" or "take 
care" or write (not say) "best wishes"
Ciao 
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(No I will not try and translate that into Italiano)
In Italian is "né carne, né pesce".
Letteralmente sarebbe "né carne, né volatile o una buona aringa
affumicata" ^_^
Volendo può essere semplicemente "neither flesh nor fowl", senza
aringhe.
"red herring" significa anche "diversivo". Non abbiamo, credo, detti
per questo, né con aringhe, né senza. ;)
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 Ma sei ubriaco o che altro ?... :-)))
Roscio ==> Italiano: "Cara Arianna, temo che tu sia in errore."
Ciao, FB

 aringhe.
Puň essere anche "neither fish nor fowl", o anche "neither fish flesh nor 
fowl", pare.
Max

 
Martin, ci sei mancato!
bye
ari

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Sě, anche.
Ricapitoliamo
"neither fish nor fowl"
"neither fish nor flesh"
"neither flesh nor fowl"
"neither fish, flesh nor fowl"
"neither fish, flesh nor good red herring"
"neither flesh, fowl, nor good red herring"
"neither fish, flesh nor good red herring"
Le prime due sono le piů comuni, la prima soprattutto.
Am I right?
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 aisle bee ware yew wont mi two b;
"wont' e "want' non sono omofoni, però.
MM

"wont' e "want' non sono omofoni, però.
In inglese USA possono esserlo, credo. Sono comunque similissimi, in
alcune pronunce. Mi baso sulle pronunce del Merriam Webster.
Avevo anche fatto l'errore di mettere I aisle, che suona come I I'll,
ora ho corretto. :)
Sebastiano
-- 
Aisle bee ware yew wont mi two b;
Isle b yore ayes;
Aisle pleas u;
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   "neither fish, flesh, fowl nor good red herring"
Ma "flesh" non è la carne viva, contrapposta a "meat", la carne che si 
mangia?
-- 
Enrico C

mangia?
Yes. And you're made of flesh, not of meat. That's why.
It's like "that is neither something made of flesh, nor something
fishy, nor something with feather covered wings."
Sebastiano
-- 
Aisle bee ware yew wont mi two b;
Isle b yore ayes;
Aisle pleas u;
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