Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: 2 dubbi

E' preferibile dire:
In my family we are 4: my dad, my mum, my sister and I
oppure
my dad, my mum, my sister and me?
E' preferibile dire 
simple past
oppure
past simple?
Grazie
Giuseppe

 In my family we are 4:
avete tutti quattro anni? weird! :-D
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 my dad, my mum, my sister and I
Why?
How do you say, "there's me" or "there's I"?
Do you say "it's me" or "it's I"?
So I'd say "and me" in the above three sentences, even in the
last one.
Of course I'd say "My dad, my mum, my sister and I are a family
of four".
... Nice, fine... glad to know I'm wrong. But, please, explain. ;)
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 le persone normali (almeno in linguaggio informale) dicono "me".
I don't pretend to be a grammar expert, but I'm relatively certain that 
the correct English is to say 'me' in this case.
In my family, we are four in total, my dad, my mom, my sister and me.
My dad, my mom, my sister and I are the four who make up my family.

 Giuseppe
If you're referring to the tense, 'simple past.'
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 the correct English is to say 'me' in this case.
I was implying that the "pignoli" are wrong, but apparently I was too 
subtle...
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 le persone normali (almeno in linguaggio informale) dicono "me".
(E per colpa di costoro, c'è gente che si sente talmente in soggezione 
quando sta per dire "me" che in situazioni formali finisce per usare "I" 
dove non avrebbe senso nemmeno in latino, tipo "between you and I".)
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 subtle...
I understood that you don't consider pine nuts normal, but I didn't 
infer any assertion that their preference for "I" would be grammatically 
incorrect. Instead I thought you were saying that they would be overly 
fastidious about correct grammar in insisting on "I".
Therefore, I was simply adding my voice to the choir of your 
recommendations in saying that "me" is the preferred usage. Perhaps my 
harmony with your position was lost in the delicate subtlety or your 
implication which you cleverly hid to the point of imperceptibility by 
specifying informal language as your standard of reference?
That was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but in fact you are right that there are 
those who mistakenly believe that they are being fastidious and correct 
in saying "I" when in actuality that usage in English is grammatically 
incorrect. (We are still talking about English, and not Latin, right?)

 dove non avrebbe senso nemmeno in latino, tipo "between you and I".)
Yes, I just said the same in a previous post before reading this one, 
but now I see we are indeed talking about Latin, so I'll take my leave 
on this topic.
Oh wait. Now I have a question. Which of the following sentences are 
correct?
Between you and I, who are writing on this topic, who is the more subtle?
Between you and me, who are writing on this topic, who is the most 
fastidious?

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Quest'ultima, a occhio e croce...
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 fastidious?
Which of the following sentences *is* correct. (There's only one.)
The second, except that you need to change 'most' to 'more.'
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 Quest'ultima, a occhio e croce...
My answer would be that I'm not all that fastidious.