Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Pronuncia di "John Lyly"

Buongiorno a tutti,
qualcuno sa come si pronuncia il cognome "Lyly"?
Grazie a tutti,
saluti.
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Si', ma con le "i" brevissime  (aggiungerei anche che il suono
non e' una "i" pura ma un misto tra "i" ed "e" in italiano, ma forse
sono solo gli americani che fanno cosi')
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So cry right here on the dotted line

 sono solo gli americani che fanno cosi')
Sono d'accordo,
la "i" dell'inglese e quella dell'italiano non sono assolutamente uguali, la
"i" breve dell'inglese, soprattutto di quello americano, per noi italiani ha
un suono che si avvicina a quello della "e".
Cinzia

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ualcuno sa come si pronuncia il cognome "Lyly"?
As in the two words "lie lee"
Cheers
-- 
John G Davies

As in the two words "lie lee"
Curious; I have a CD where Laurie Anderson pronounces that
name as lee lee (but then I do not have the lyrics, so may be
it is written differently). Let me double check that.
P.S. Cinzia, is this what you call the richness of English? :)
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OK, I have the lyrics too: on Anderson's CD is written "John Lilly",
so it is not exactly the same as Lyly and it may call for a different spelling. 
What about lily?
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Pronunciation is another matter!! :))))))))
P.S. Congratulations on your musical tastes!


Laurie Anderson is a genius. Anybody who likes her works
is my friend. 
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 it is written differently). Let me double check that.
Forse aveva avuto un virus.

 is my friend.
Hi, buddy!! :))))))))))))))
Cinzia

What about lily?
The pronunciation of both personal and place names in English is often
idiosyncratic, usually for reasons of dialect or history.
Featherstonehaugh is pronounced "fanshaw" and Cholmondeley as "chumley".  
Notwithstanding these awful examples I'm pretty confident that "Lyly" is
pronounced "lie lee".  The "y" is significant here.
"Lilly" is pronounced as "lily".
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As in William Burroughs'  "Language Is A Virus", beautifully
reprised by Laurie.
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So true, so true.
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 That does not account for English being that easy, then.
Neither does it for being difficult. Memorizing the spelling of words is not
a difficult task, it's only hard work. Secondly, you should consider that
spelling is involved only in writing.
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rhymes with"billy"
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 reprised by Laurie.
gią

a difficult task, it's only hard work.
It may be hard all right, but why is it so? Because the mapping between
spelling and pronounciation is so lousy. From where I stand, this is something 
that makes English something less than simple.
The bottom line is that I just won't buy the story of 'English is simple'. To me,
 the idea of it being simple may arise only when you look at the surface only.
(and I am actually surprised that an English teacher might think otherwise).
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idiosyncratic, usually for reasons of dialect or history.
I will echo what John said.  
First of all, there's no telling with names, especially names of people.  And
be careful because people get po'ed if you mispronounce their name.
Secondly, the letter i and the letter y are two different letters and they are
usually not pronounced the same way (although they can be).  So Lily and Lyly
are not at all the same thing.  Again, I agree with John. Cosi' andando a naso
direi che la pronuncia e' "laili".
ciao
Arianna

 (and I am actually surprised that an English teacher might think
otherwise).
Again, you confuse "easy" with "simple". With simple I also mean
"economical"; does that make things any better?
Cinzia

 direi che la pronuncia e' "laili".
e sbaglieresti come ha sbagliato John. Il Webster da' : "li'li" per John Lyly,
the "English dramatist and novelist."
ciao,
alessandro


Yes and no. Even if I agree on the strict formal differences between
easy/simple and difficult/complex, I am sure most people tend to
automatically associate easy with simple and complex with difficult
because simple things are often easy to understand and complex
things are often difficult to understand. Right or wrong, that is just the way it is.
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 pronounced "lie lee".  The "y" is significant here.
heh - I'm tempted to say it's Lie lee :-), but one thing I've learnt
with Surnames - there are no rules to pronunciation or spelling. When
registering borrowers I have no hesitation in asking people how they
spell or say their surnames. Variety is the name of the game when it
comes to names.
Cheers,
Loki
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  Brevity is the soul of wit.    W.Shakespeare

the "English dramatist and novelist."
Il M-W no.  Le  ipsilon dovrebbero essere pronunciate diversamente secondo il
mio dizionario.
ciao
arianna

 Loki
So true. We have a comedy series called Keeping Up Appearances where the
main character is called Hyacinth Bucket.  Because she wants to appear
upper-class, she insists that it is pronounced 'Bouquet' .
In real life, the surname 'Onions' is usually pronounced 'ON-EYE-ONS' with
the stress on the middle syllable. 'Bottom' is frequently pronounced as
Bo-tham.
My favourite surname, however is German. My stepmother had a child in the
class she was teaching whose surname was Eulenpech (lit. Owl + bad luck).
When the child's mother remarried a Herr TippKutter, my stepmum expected
there might be a name change for the mother.  Instead the mother retained
her own name and now rejoices in the surname TippKutter-Eulenpech!
Evi

 things are often difficult to understand. Right or wrong, that is just the
way it is.
Yes, that's right we all often use "simple" to mean "easy" and viceversa or
tend to assume that something simple is easy as well. But this is just
commonplace. When you go into the depth of things, you often realize that
there is a lot more to them.

un suono che si avvicina a quello della "e".
Sě: per ottenere la "i" americana basta arretrare un po' la lingua.

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Non ci avevo mai fatto caso pur facendo cosě!! Una grandissima dritta per
insegnarla ai miei studenti!! Grazie! Sai qualche altro "trucchetto" per la
pronuncia?

pronuncia?
Ora non mi viene in mente niente... considera che non sono un esperto,
solo un appassionato.

 Evi
What a mouthful.
I knew a lady surnamed Sidebottom. When her head-mistress tried to
introduce her as "Sid eb bo tom" she loudly proclaimed "It's Side
bottom!" 
(Bottom being a geographical formation, not a body part, for those
who are wondering)  :-)
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