Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: And I thought my English was bad...

Well, here's someone who speaks English worse than me...
unfortunately in a few months she might become the vice president of the 
U.S.A.... :-(
http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/09/25/sarah-palin-on-russia-it-gets-worse/
Rincewind

 Rincewind
Ecco dove avevo già sentito questo nome! (Sto leggendo il ciclo di 
Discworld, meglio tardi che mai).
-- 
Laz

 Rincewind
OK...  why don't you just point out some of the errors you heard
during that interview.
gfc

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Mmm... And why would her English bad in any way?
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Don't f*ck with me bitch, I'm the mightiest sorcerer of the lands.

gfc
I thought that the comparison to Miss South Dakota's speech made it very 
clear that it is not about errors, it's about being unable to express a very 
simple thought in a reasonable amount of words without turning the whole 
thing into a mess and needing the interviewer to help straighten it up.
Anyway, if I stroke a nerve I apologize: I honestly thought that noone could 
ever take that person seriously. Obviously I was wrong, as the polls sadly 
confirm.
Rincewind.
-- 
Lines you'll never hear on Buffy:
GILES: To read makes our speaking English good.

 Mmm... And why would her English bad in any way?
There's a "be" missing in there. :|
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 Rincewind
I agree with your comment; it isn't so much her grammar or even her
pronunciation: it's the difficulty she has in composing coherent,
meaningful sentences. When she speaks off-the-cuff, this is how she
sounds. When she speaks from a prepared text, she sounds less
unintelligent. (But then, she should.)

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That's what makes this clip seriously scary: she was supposed to be prepared 
for that particular question and she botched it anyway.
It's been weeks since she made that laughable statement about being 
experienced in foreign policy because her state is close to Russia, and in 
these weeks every comedian has made fun of it and every serious political 
commentator has made negative comments about it (probably with the only 
exception of those at Fox News...), so she had every reason to believe that 
it would come up in interviews, and her campaign staff had all the time to 
prepare her for it.
Compare her to Miss South Carolina's infamous speech: she was an 
unexperienced and nervous teen in a very difficult situation who had to 
improvise an answer to a seriously stupid and unexpected question and she 
got into a panic. But a few days later she was invited to the Today Show and 
was able to explain what she meant in a coherent way 
(
http://www.spike.com/video/miss-south-carolina/2890409
).
So with a little preparation Miss South Carolina actually performed better 
than Palin...
Rincewind.
-- 
What I have learned from Buffy:
I do a better Irish accent than David Boreanaz.
In fact, my cat probably does a better Irish accent than David Boreanaz.

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You didn't strike a nerve.  I just couldn't find any errors in her
interview.  That was not a very formal interview anyway, but more of
an informal chat with Katie during the evening news.  I think that in
the States we are used to that type of "stuttering" along with moments
of hesitations during interviews. There is a hidden reason for that.
I don't agree with the content of the interview, however I don't see
anything wrong with the delivery.  These informal interviews that
almost sound like a chat in someone's kitchen are getting to be more
and more frequent.   If you want to hear bad English, you should
listen to George Bush.
gfc

 listen to George Bush.
I agree.
On top of that, she realised that her argument has no logic whatsoever 
so she couldn't really find any logical way to explain why she has some 
true foreign policy experience only because she was governor of Alaska.
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listen to George Bush.
Oh, I have stopped doing that a long time ago: it's just too much for me.
Rincewind.
-- 
I don't care how holy somebody claims to be. If a person tells you it's My 
will that they kill someone, they're wrong. Got it? I don't care what 
religion you are, or who you think your enemy is, here it is one more time: 
No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again. ~ God, The Onion

 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3088407/Sarah-Palin-endures-cringeworthy-CBS-interview.html
I still think you're confusing the lack of solid arguments and political 
experience with the lack of knowledge of the English language.
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Her English is not what bothers people.
Her fellow conservatives and her opponents are equally disturbed by her lack
of preparation.
This article from the conservative National Review suggests she should
resign.
"Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can
bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time
with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family
first."
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE#more
Joe from Massachusetts

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What ever happened to Cicciolina?
Joe from Massachusetts

 experience with the lack of knowledge of the English language.
We are entering the realm of semantics and hair-splitting here, so I will 
continue this discussion in Italian hoping to minimize the possibility of 
misunderstandings (also, it's easier in Italian and I am tired...).
Per prima cosa, prova per piacere a rileggere il testo del mio messaggio 
originale.
Io ho scritto: "here's someone who SPEAKS English worse than me"
Non ho detto nulla riguardo alla sua "knowledge of the English language", 
perche' ovviamente non ho i mezzi per giudicare la sua conoscenza del 
linguaggio.
Pero' dispongo senza dubbio dei mezzi per giudicare la sua abilita' 
nell'usarlo.
La differenza tra "conoscere un linguaggio" e "saperlo usare" e' la stessa 
che c'e' tra conoscere le regole del codice della strada e saper guidare un 
veicolo. La conoscenza del codice della strada e' solo una delle capacita' 
richieste per guidare un veicolo: oltre a quello devi anche disporre di una 
buona vista, di una corretta coordinazione dei movimenti e di una 
accettabile prontezza di riflessi. In mancanza di queste qualita', la 
conoscenza del codice della strada non ti impedisce di schiantarti contro la 
prima automobile che ti taglia la strada o che non ti da' la precedenza. 
Questo e' il motivo per cui prima di rilasciarti la patente non ti fanno 
solamente un esame di teoria ma anche un esame di guida.
Il filmato che ho postato non si limita a dimostrare "the lack of solid 
arguments and political experience", ma dimostra l'incapacita' di formulare 
una frase coerente in inglese.
Quando studiavo inglese al liceo, quasi trent'anni fa, i voti che ricevevo 
non si limitavano a riflettere la mia capacita' di leggere e comprendere un 
testo in inglese (cioe' la mia "knowledge of the English language"): le 
interrogazioni consistevano nel sedermi di fronte all'insegnante e 
rispondere alle sue domande ed esprimere dei concetti con frasi coerenti e 
di senso compiuto, che e' esattamente cio' che la signora Palin non e' 
riuscita a fare nella sua intervista.
Per questo, confermo che in quella intervista Sarah Palin "speaks English 
worse than me": io sarei stato bocciato se all'esame di maturita' avessi 
parlato in modo sconclusionato come ha fatto lei.
Rincewind.
-- 
In questions of science the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble 
reasoning of a single individual. ~ Galileo

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Cicciolina?  You want to know what happened to Cicciolina?  Joe....
Forget about Cicciolina...we have much bigger problems to worry about
over here.  My bank just went under yesterday.   That's the largest
bank collapse in American history.  Can Cicciolina help us with that?
Ad ogni modo, ho sentito che Cicciolina aveva aspirazioni a diventare
sindaco di Milano.

 Per prima cosa,[cut]
Continuo a pensare che parlare male l'inglese e non sapere cosa dire (o 
dire fesserie) siano due cose ben diverse. Evidentemente abbiamo due 
idee diverse di cosa voglia dire "parlare male" una lingua.
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Joe from Massachusetts

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Va bene, ma quella non e' Cicciolina.
gfc

 What ever happened to Cicciolina?
This is her website:
http://www.ilonastaller.net/
(caution: not suitable for children)
and the wikipedia page on her is translated in 18 languages!
I know very little about her, but from what I can read on the web, she's far 
better than Mrs. Palin and I seem to agree with her on lot of issues.
ciao, Janis 

 she's far better than Mrs. Palin
Too easy ;)
Here is an interesting article about onorevole Ilona Staller.
Among other things, the author recalls that in those same years Sex
was a factor in American elections as well, but in a less innocent
way.
http://www.radioradicale.it/exagora/cicciolina-lo-sberleffo-e-il-sogno-della-fine
...
Negli Stati Uniti d’America, appena pochi mesi prima che Ilona
Staller varcasse il portone di Montecitorio, per ragioni di sesso era
stato bruscamente sgarrettato Gary Hart, senatore del Colorado. Lei
si chiamava Donna Rice. E se c’è più di una ragione di credere che le
prime imbeccate su quell’amorazzo da tenere segreto fossero arrivate
ai giornalisti da una qualche oppo-team, abbreviazione per opposition
research team, squadra specializzata nella ricerca di scheletri negli
armadi degli avversari, sta di fatto che proprio allora la
trash-politics o politica-spazzatura e lo sleaze factor, il fattore
fango, conoscevano in America un momento particolarmente felice. (1)
Dopo Hart infatti, senza lasciar passare troppo tempo, toccava al
repubblicano John Tower, clamorosamente bocciato come segretario alla
Difesa anche per la nomea di palpeggiatore di donne (oltre che di
formidabile bevitore). “Tre cose un uomo politico deve evitare per
campare tranquillo”, era del resto una delle battute preferite da
Ronald Reagan. “Le donne, le donne e poi ancora le donne.” Seguiva
risata, con relativa esibizione di dentiera. Ma non è che dal suo
punto di vista avesse tutti i torti.
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 Rincewind.
Capisco cosa vuoi dire, anch'io non sarei passata alla maturità di quel 
lontano 1979 se mi fossi espressa a quel modo. Il problema però non è che la 
signora Palin non sa esprimersi, ma semplicemente che non aveva idea di cosa 
rispondere.
Molte persone, se poste di fronte a domande imbarazzanti in pubblico, hanno 
difficoltà ad esprimersi; questa a mio parere è la differenza che c'è fra la 
signora Palin ed un bravo oratore preparato, con nervi saldi e faccia di 
bronzo (sottolineo preparato).
my 2 pence! (or should I say my 2 euro-cent?)
Anna