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Titolo: Something a bit different. Names!

Ciao a tutti! I love the Italian culture! It is portrayed so
beautifully. Unfortunately my Italian is very limited...really that is
no lie, it unfortunately stops at the, "Hello everyone..."
I would really appreciate some suggestions on this topic.
A dear friend of mine is due to have her first little girl in 10 days
and has no definite name chosen...she is very unsure. Thus I am doing
some research to help these two little ladies out!!
PLEASE would anyone suggest an Italian name or word that could be used
as a name which refers in some way to the sky. Possibly an Italian
version of the English, "Skye".
Or secondly... Our expecting mother loves sunsets...in a really big
way. Would there be a name that anyone can think of suitable that
relates?
Any comments and realistic suggestions, please!! Thank you!!!

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Now, how boring is that? I mean, your friend's quest for oh so an 
unusual name, possibly related to the forces of Nature but with that 
cute eyetalian tinge. 
Groovy! Yawn.
I suggest "Tramontana": it not only evokes the sunset ("tramonto"), 
therefore the sky, but also a strong Northern wind - what best?
On a different note "Addolorata" or "Assunta". Now, that would be quite 
something if the little baby too were Jewish.

 version of the English, "Skye".
How about "Celeste"?
http://www.demauroparavia.it/20653
it is also a feminine name.
It comes in a package along with a song by Zucchero
http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/zucchero_lyrics_360/zu_and_co_lyrics_6954/cosi_celeste_lyrics_81654.html
And it's quite a song.
cheers,
Peltio
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http://www.demauroparavia.it/20653
and this
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeste_%28nome%29
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 Any comments and realistic suggestions, please!! Thank you!!!
What about 'Gaia' ( pronounced 'gai@')?
It's an italian name
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_%28nome%29
and means 'joyful'.
Furthermore it's is a Greek goddess personifying the Earth
and it's the James Lovelock's theory of the living planet.
And she is going to grow in a world where ecology will be
an issue even more important.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis
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 an issue even more important.
an issue more and more important.
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Just curious - what is your native language , then ?
Mike 

 taken as a disclaimer.

 relates?
Jeesh... How can someone in possession of all her faculties wish to
call *sunset* a baby at the *dawn* of her life!? Nail up all the west-
side windows in that woman's house!
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Cingar

 How about "Celeste"?
It may sound nice with proper Italian pronunciation, but I don't dare
think how her English-speaking school-mates could mangle it...
It might turn into something like "See-Lasty", or even end up being
shortened to... "Silly"!
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Cingar

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This name is not uncommon in English too, however, pronounced si-LEST. I 
venture that's the way most everyone would pronounce it.
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 side windows in that woman's house!
LOL
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 relates?
That's definitely a hard one, I have no idea.
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 On a different note "Addolorata" or "Assunta".
OMFG
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 venture that's the way most everyone would pronounce it.
Actually it should sound more like "tche - lay - steh" or something like
that.
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 therefore the sky, but also a strong Northern wind - what best?
A questo punto anche "Ponentina"...
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Ciao,
Anna

You are quite a hoot. "Tramontana"...what a beautiful ring it
has...just rolls off your tongue...
Interesting that I have never heard the apparent Italian-Jewish names,
"Addolorata" or "Assunta". In fact by blood I am Jewish (went to a
Jewish school, studied Jewish History and the Hebrew language too
boot...well versed you see. Not the very modest type either - a family
trait...my 'cross-too-bear'...
Come on man, some poor-trusting-sod might have in all ignorance
followed you advice. Hilarious, yes but a Catholic name would not
entirely suit. As a public service please refrain from naming children
in the future ;)
Thanks for your feeble effort.
XOXO

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Thank you Peltio! Quite a song it is! I remember listening to Zucchero
in my father's studio often when I was younger.
Celeste is such a beautiful name and it's meaning is so poignant!
Brilliant suggestion, yet here in South Africa it is a common
name...although now knowing the meaning I understand why.
Thinking about it now it seems Italian names are quite prevalent in my
part of the world. The Afrikaans language has strong roots with
Italian...that explains it!

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English... Is it not obvious? I would think my arrogant tone and
persona give it away... haha ;)

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Good point although I never said she was in control of her
facilities...in reality she is far from it!! Haha ;) she chose to have
a child after all!!
It's absolutely crazy!!
Thus I am giving her all the support she can get...she's going to kill
me... ;)
Thank you for your suggestions!

 that.
I'm not Italian and have only had a handful of lessons but in my lowly
opinion ;) your pronunciation looks correct. It is the same way we say
it in Cape Town, SA when speaking English or Afrikaans !!

 therefore the sky, but also a strong Northern wind - what best?
"Tramontana" has nothing to do with "tramonto" ('sunset'). It literal
meaning is "from the other side of the mountains", and refers
specifically to winds blowing from the northern side of the Alps to
northern Italy, in fact it translates "north", not "west".
Beside that, it has never been a woman's name and it has umpleasant
connections with madness, because of the common idiom "perdere la
tramontana" ('becoming mad', literally: 'loosing one's north').
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Cingar

As you can see by all my posts unfortunately I have a lot to say about
everything...Questo personaggio è un vero chiacchierone. I think..? Or
is it better for me to keep it simple? ...Un vero chiacchierone!

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Yes. Yes. Thanks for the confirmation. I thought that dude was just
messing with me...
I would be quite funny though!!

 Thanks for your feeble effort.
I have never been to South Africa - will you marry me? I am 1/4 Jewish, 
very poorly self-taught in the language and a certified meshugener.

 connections with madness
Ya got it, did ya!

 
Oh, yes, of course; in Italian. I meant that an English-speaker would 
probably say si-LEST.
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I second the suggestion "Alba."
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 trait...my 'cross-too-bear'...
"Cross-too-bear"...? Why not "to-bear"? (just asking...)

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Shame on you! She's Jewish. I'm sure she meant "cross-too-bare". (just 
funnin'...) 

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I think that most Italians (or just the romagnoli?) on hearing "celeste" 
only think of the light blue color rather than the sky. Besides, are you 
sure of your etymology? Cielo+ste?
Anna 

 think of the light blue color rather than the sky. 
Not those who, at least once in their lifetime, happened to have 
wondered about the marvels of the "volta celeste", I assure you.
cheers,
Peltio
Who likes "Aurora" as a name, despite the fact he could not pronounce 
it correctly.
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 only think of the light blue color rather than the sky.
...sgamato! (rumbled?)
:-/
Tschau,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
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 correctly.
How come?
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 How come?
Too many "r"s.
cheers,
Peltio
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 Too many "r"s.
You can always say "auvova" and pvetend to be "avistocvatico".
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 "Cross-too-bear"...? Why not "to-bear"? (just asking...)
Sorry my mistake, it should be a preposition..."to-bear" is correct.
This a big thing for me...I never admit mistakes simply because I
never make them...thanks for pointing this one out... ;(
We have all fallen for Aurora and Alba!!! Both are fantastic choices
and will be awesome for her generation... I think keeping it as
positive as possible will help me come to terms with getting up at the
crack-of-dawn to take the little tyke to school when her mom needs a
break! Gosh...it will be a nightmare being a slave to that system once
again... I thought school was over when I graduated!! Damn...kids! ;)
In the running are:  Aurora Lilija (Lilija being Icelandic meaning
lily...say: Lili-ya) ...or... Alba Nouvel (Nouvel as her second-name
after the French architect Jean Nouvel)
'Aristocratico' is me...If I 'aspire' to be a snob (because I do,
daily) would I use "aspirare/aspiro..." or is that only referring to
respiration?
Two last things...I'm not Jewish...was born a Jew but choose not to
be. There is a difference. Why would I use it as an excuse...and what
for..?
Secondly I am not a woman... How did we come to the conclusion that I
was a chick? So I won't be marring anyone, sorry man.. Although Cape
Town is awesome! You should definitely plan a trip!! ..un luogo
assolutamente bello e tranquillo. Un'originale scena artistica e una
vita notturna vivacissima ti aspettano... Città del capo, vivace e
brillante!!

 was a chick?
Apologies for emasculating you! :-) I assumed (yes, I made an ASS out of ME, 
if not U) from your nick: ellebloomberg, that you were Elle, and possibly 
related to our Fine Mayor Mike.
Cape Town does sound like a nice place... maybe some day.
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 Town is awesome! You should definitely plan a trip!! 
Marrying seemed the most practical solution as of now.

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mmmm.... Maybe it's just me , but ...
Mike 

 mmmm.... Maybe it's just me , but ...
It's not just you. 

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Well, maybe she is not in control of her faculties, but I hope she can
control her facilities.
As far as the name is concerned, I'd go for Celeste.  It's both
Italian and English and it looks like it has gained popularity in the
last few years.
http://www.behindthename.com/php/view.php?name=celeste
bye
Ari

 Too many "r"s.
Bvotah! 
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arrivarci con una montagna di marijuana" -- toni su iamsc


Afrikaans is a descendant of 17th-century Dutch and with French,
German, Portuguese and Italian thrown in for good-measure by European
colonists. Many African languages have impacted on the combination as
well. In history lessons this is termed the 'Bantu' influence which
covers the multitude without any effort... The list goes on...Asian
slaves brought their relevant languages as did and Malay to a large
degree thus dubbed "Cape Malay" at some point of its existence... It's
a beautiful combination of languages when spoken in its correct
form...which is rare...too much effort. Personally I can't stand
it...sounds very guttural. Imagine holding a conversation while dying
of pneumonia or just having a lung full of phlegm...that's Afrikaans.
In my opinion of course!
Putting it simply. Besides some vocabulary, Italian has added a lot to
Afrikaans grammar.


Aurora?
Joe from Massachusetts


How do you pronounce the name Coetzee, as in J.M. Coetzee?
Joe from Massachusetts

 Joe from Massachusetts
Coetzee...hmm, that is a bit difficult.
For the "...oe..." from "Coet..." the closest I can think of in
English is the pronunication of the "oo" in look.
Koot-sea-uh
What is the Italian word for "aspire"?
As in, "to aspire after immortality".

 Joe from Massachusetts
In Dutch it would be KOOT-sa(y) (no y-glide, but long 'a')
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More or less like fehr-VOORT
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I think the pronunciation may be peculiar to South Africa, where Mr. Coetzee
used to live. His parents were not native English speakers,.but he spoke
English at home.
Joe from Massachusetts

 "Cross-too-bear"...? Why not "to-bear"? (just asking...)
Sorry my mistake, it should be a preposition..."to-bear" is correct.
This a big thing for me...I never admit mistakes simply because I
never make them...thanks for pointing this one out... ;(
We have all fallen for Aurora and Alba!!! Both are fantastic choices
and will be awesome for her generation... I think keeping it as
positive as possible will help me come to terms with getting up at the
crack-of-dawn to take the little tyke to school when her mom needs a
break! Gosh...it will be a nightmare being a slave to that system once
again... I thought school was over when I graduated!! Damn...kids! ;)
In the running are:  Aurora Lilija (Lilija being Icelandic meaning
lily...say: Lili-ya) ...or... Alba Nouvel (Nouvel as her second-name
after the French architect Jean Nouvel)
How about Lidija/Lidia/Lydia? There is a well-known (in the far northeast,
at least) singer named Lidija Percan who sings in Croatian, Italian, and the
Veneto dialect.
http://www.lidijapercan.com/mp3.htm
Joe from Massachusetts


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Just out of curiosity, do you have any billionaire politician relatives in
New York City?  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

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Lemma
 to aspire
Traduzione v.intr.
1 aspirare, agognare: to - to (o after) sthg., aspirare a qualcosa.
2 (ant.) elevarsi, salire.
You could look it up:
http://www.garzantilinguistica.it/interna_eng.html?dizionario=2&lemma=3640
Joe from Massachusetts

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Afrikaans does have a slightly different pronunciation scheme than Dutch, 
from which it sprang, but I believe to native speakers of either, the 
languages are largely mutually intelligible.
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I was referring to how Mr. Coetzee and other English-speaking South Africans
pronounce his name in English, not to how it is pronounced by Dutch or
Afrikaans speakers. Although his name is Dutch, and his parents were
Afrikaans speakers, they always spoke English at home, and he was educated
in schools in which English was the language of instruction.
Joe from Massachusetts


These guys suggest three syllables, with the accent on the second. When he
won the Nobel Prize, no one knew how to pronounce his name.
http://web.cocc.edu/cagatucci/classes/hum211/CoursePack/coetzee.htm
http://ibb7.ibb.gov/pronunciations/sounds/330.ra
Joe from Massachusetts

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OIC, excuse my thick-headedness today. The heat, and all. I would still 
venture that even English-speaking South Africans would pronounce it 
KOOT-sa(y), or possibly KOOT-see& (&=schwa). It's such a heavily 
Dutch/Afrikaans name that it probably influences the pronunciation even in 
English.
I have a few South African friends and they all seem to have a smattering of 
a few languages, Afrikaans being one. I've noticed a distinct South African 
pronunciation of certain English vowels in particular.
We haven't heard back from the elusive non-chick, possible-cousin of Mayor 
Mike, but perhaps he'll weigh in.
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 Mike, but perhaps he'll weigh in.
I sit corrected: I see he did propose koot-sea-uh a few posts back. Question 
answered.
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Modern non-Afrikaans-speaking South Africans would say "Koot-sea-uh"
with the accent on the second syllable.
Whether or not we get it right South Africans try pronounce words/
names in the language of origin. We are living in a country that has
12 official languages and many dialects with foreign languages thrown
in to just confuse everyone and make life more interesting... Most of
the African languages are pronounced phonetically (we all study at
least one at school) Afrikaans is also taught at school and English is
the language of mass in the working environment. The point is, correct
pronunciation should not be a problem here. If it is then the
individual really doesn't give a damn or they bypassed the educational
system...either that or they are still living in the 'Old South
Africa' and refuse to make an effort...
"...KOOT-sa(y), or possibly KOOT-see..." are both correct Afrikaans's
pronunciations. 'Joey Dee from NYC' is absolutely right with what he
said about Dutch and Afrikaans's being intelligible...but we pretend
not to understand each other...
I am generalizing here but the first "KOOT-sa(y)" is a common
Afrikaans spoken by mostly Coloured people in the Cape area and the
second "KOOT-see" would be a more traditional Afrikaans pronunciation.

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Thanks for the clarification.
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ja-KOOO-zee ('j' as in English "Joey" ;-)
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 ja-KOOO-zee ('j' as in English "Joey" ;-)
Uhm... forse mi ricorderò male, ma in Supernatural, Friends e altri mi 
sembrava pronunciassero "jacuzzi" quasi come gli italiani. Boh!
Tschau,
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 ee-LAY-jah or ee-LAY-yah ?
Frodo era ee-LY-jah wood, se puo' servire.
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I don't know how it's pronounced in italian, but if the 'j' is anything but a 
hard, English 'j', you are in fact mistaken.
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ee-LY-jah
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I've heard it pronounced with the English j and the Italian zz ; we live in 
the age of the half-educated and pretentious .
Mike 

 hard, English 'j', you are in fact mistaken.
Indeed I am. I heard it yesterday in er... do I really have to say it? ok, 
it was in Dawson's Creek, which so far has proven itself to be way better 
than the OC, which really makes me sick. Anyway, they pronounced it you like 
you said (not that I could ever question you), so I guess I can't always 
trust what I think I remember having heard... and that's not a good thing.
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 so I guess I can't always trust what I think I remember having heard
Cheer up: it gets worse. When you get to be my age, it won't be just your 
ears you can't trust any more. There will be a whole bunch of body parts that 
will "surprise" you.
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 I'm shocked! SHOCKED! I thought you were older than 13.  8-D
Well I heard that 'wifebeater' thing yesterday watching the last O.C.'s episode 
(the main character is famous for wearing them all the time)... and I'm MUCH 
older than 13... :-(

 and I'm MUCH older than 13... :-(
Aha! I'm really afraid that in a few years' time we will both be watching 
the teletubbies together. What do you say?
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 will "surprise" you.
Ok, I can't wait. Er... no, not really. Let's just say I'm fine.
:-)
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 teletubbies
Regression is a wonderful thing.
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