Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: azz

Lo so č strana la mia richiesta ^___^
ma come si traduce il nostro: azz
esempio:
A: la mia casa č piccola
B: azz č piů grande della Reggia di Caserta
o
A: mi č morto il cane
B: azz mi dispiace
scusate ancora la richeista ma c'čun americano che ogni vota vhe mi vede 
me lo chiede :-P
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ma come si traduce il nostro: azz
Scusa l'ignoranza, ma che cosa significa?  C'e' un sinonimo?
Ari

 me lo chiede :-P
Fuck? Shit?
Ciao
Fabio 

 Scusa l'ignoranza, ma che cosa significa?  C'e' un sinonimo?
no scusa me. Non ho detto che è un espressione per lo più napoletana. in 
italiano sarebbe tipo (ma cmq già perde il suo vero significato):
Addirittura! Caspita! Accidenti!
Ma ripeto già perde il vero significato con queste altre parole...
Un pò come la parola "sticaxxi" se si utilizza un altro vocabolo perde 
il suo "fascino". Approposito come si tradurebbe anchequesta parola? :-P
Spero che ci sia qualcuno che sappia come tradurlo anche nello slang
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 Scusa l'ignoranza, ma che cosa significa?  C'e' un sinonimo?
It's a euphemism for "cazzo".
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Mary

 It's a euphemism for "cazzo".
esatto ^______^
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esatto ^______^
Anche in inglese ci sono parole un po' deformate per renderle meno
offensive.
per esempio
Heck al posto di Hell
Gosh al posto di God.
Darn al posto di Damn
Bleeding al posto di Bloody
ecc.
Oppure, penso, lasci sospesa un'espressione nota, la dici solo a metà...
"What the...!" 
:-)
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 It's a euphemism for "cazzo".
Non mi pare tanto un eufemismo quanto un doppia elisione:
'azz'
 
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 > B: azz mi dispiace
"Damn" ?

It's a euphemism for "cazzo".
Ah ecco!  Mi pareva, ma non ero sicura.  Quelle due zeta me lo facevano
sospettare.  Grazie Mary.
ari

 Fuck? Shit?
Isn't 'fuck' rather more vulgar than 'cazzo' , and a fortiori more vulgar
than a euphemism for 'cazzo' ? I remember Cecilia Bartoli being interviewed
whilst driving  a car and saying ,'Che cazzo fai !' to another driver who'd
annnoyed her ; I thought an English diva might have been less likely to say
,'What the fuck are you doing?' - but maybe not .
'Shit' , it seems to me , would fit both examples nicely , but even tho'
it's used more and more widely , by women as well as men , I'm not sure it
might not sound more vulgar than 'azz' (which of course I've never heard or
seen before !) .
We might say 'Jesus' or 'Christ' or both , though I don't suppose that would
appeal so much to Italians ; and it would maybe sound a bit over-dramatic in
the second example .
Here in the UK we don't really have euphemistic forms for these particular
words ; the Americans have , of course , words like 'sheesh' and 'Jeez' ,
but I've no idea at all if these are current , or how the tone would compare
with 'azz' . I'd have thought the American friend was in the best position
to offer a suggestion ; one of the things I admire most about the Americans
is the fluency and inventiveness of their swearing , though I think this
does apply particularly to the more impolite end of the spectrum .
Mike

 Mary
Roger
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By any other name would smell as sweet." 

 the meaning of 'cazzo' :-)).
Secondo me, anche la storpiatura di una parolaccia è un tipo di
eufemismo.
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Mary

 annnoyed her
It is vulgar, as far as I'm concerned. But who is Cecilia Bartoli?
Bye, FB
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'azz'
Tecnicamente è elisione, ma il risultato è eufemistico :) 
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"Mary Cassidy" ha scritto:
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L'eufemismo è la sostituzione di una parola o di un'espressione "forte" con 
un'altra che esprime lo stesso concetto, ma in forma "edulcorata".
Ad esempio "alleggerire a' contadini le fatiche della vendemmia" (Manzoni), 
per dire "rubare l'uva" o "malato di mente" per "pazzo".
Se tu ritieni che dire 'azz per cazzo, sia ugualmente un eufemismo, 
padronissima.
Ciao,
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 padronissima.
Chiediamo agl'iclisti.
Ciao, FB
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respectability" "It is obviously the same person".
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Why do you affect ignorance of the Italian songbird ?
Isn't she popular over there ?
Mike 

 Isn't she popular over there ?
I'm afraid I've never heard of her either.
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Mary

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She appears to be an opera singer. 
Shaaaame on meeeeeeeeeee! (high C)
Bye, FB
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Sorry - thought you were having me on ! Probably down to my stereotyped 
perception of Italians as never without an aria on their lips .
She's a mezzo with  a fabulous coloratura - well known over here 
particularly thro' her CDs , several of them award winners . Comes from Rome 
, I believe .
Mike 

 She's a mezzo with  a fabulous coloratura - well known over here
Also well known -- and well loved -- in the US.
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 She's a mezzo with  a fabulous coloratura
"mezzo"; I feel it stands for mezzo-soprano, but take note that it isn't 
used alone in Italian 

 Also well known -- and well loved -- in the US.
Qua in Italia non l'ho mai sentita nominare...
A proposito, come fate voi americani ad andare alle opere liriche?
Cioè, io che sono italiano riesco a capire ben poco cio' che dicono i
cantanti, figuriamoci chi non è madrelingua italiano ;-)
Vorrà dire che vi contrate di più sulla musica! :-))))))
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio
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 cantanti, figuriamoci chi non č madrelingua italiano ;-)
Ci sono i libretti con le parole e le traduzioni.
Di solito io mi studio il libretto prima, quando non conosco l'opera molto 
bene.
Ciao
Fabio 

 Bleeding al posto di Bloody
E flipping al posto di fucking, per esempio.
E altre, a seconda del contesto. Molti acronimi hanno la "polite version". 
SNAFU, ad esempio, c'è con "fouled", se non ricordo male, e con "fucked".
Sebastiano

 Qua in Italia non l'ho mai sentita nominare...
Cecilia Bartoli è nota anche in Italia, anche se 
considerata un po' ....... insomma, piace agli inglesi e 
agli americani ... 
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 >> scusate ancora la richeista ma c'èun americano che ogni vota vhe
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Shoot, Mike, I didn't know you valued our inventiveness so highly!
Rather than the offensive "sh*t", "shoot" as a substitute is fairly
common among inventive people here, and is probably as close to "azz"
as you can get in American English, although I would have to say it
falls a little behind azz, anatomically speaking.
Merriam-Webster On-line:
Main Entry: 3shoot
Function: interjection
Etymology: euphemism for shit
-- used to express annoyance or surprise
Joe from Massachusetts

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She recorded an album at the Teatro Olimpico in Vicenza about 5 or 6
years ago.
I have four of her albums.
Joe from Massachusetts

> >> scusate ancora la richeista ma c'čun americano che ogni vota vhe
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Yes ! I knew 'sheesh' wasn't what I meant , and as soon as I switched off I 
remembered 'shoot' . I first came across this in 'To Kill a Mockingbird' - 
and wondered what it meant (tho' I was already of adult years) ; the penny 
did drop some time later , but I'd mentioned it to several other people 
(British) , none of whom realised it was a euphemism for 'sh*t' - I suppose 
because the latter wasn't anywhere near as commonly used then as now , and 
because Scout (a young girl , for anyone who's not read the book) says 
'shoot' .
Interesting to hear that it's still current ; it's never heard over here , 
though a number of your more forceful and taboo-challenging expressions have 
become quite common ; perhaps I'll try to introduce it here in West Cumbria 
.
Mike

 considerata un po' .......
Un po' che?
Ciao, FB
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tell me why a man who possesses one of the most brilliant minds of this
century can't say his prepositions or articles"
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 Un po' che?
Non mi viene la parola.
Vistosa? eccessiva? non, non sono queste le parole che 
esprimono il concetto, che più ne scrivo più diventa 
confuso.
Conosco poco la lirica, non vorrei dire sciocchezze.
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"Sheesh" as a substitute for the offensive word is also common here,
but without the final "t" it lacks the clout of "shoot", or "azz". The
mild-mannered would choose "sheesh", while the daring go with "shoot".
The original film version of "To Kill a Mockingbird" was Robert
Duvall's first film role, that of "Boo" Radley, the reclusive
neighbor, guardian, and secret gift-giver, who remains unseen until he
comes out of hiding at the climax of the film to save the children.
Joe from Massachusetts