Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: dubbio sul passato

Ciao a tutti, qualcuno di voi potrebbe darmi qualche chiarimento sul
seguente dubbio?:
supponiamo che mi trovi al mare e mi trovi sdraiato da 10 minuti dopo avere
fatto una nuotata, incontro un amico e mi chiede cosa abbia fatto; in
italiano risponderei con "ho nuotato un po' " ma in inglese quale delle tre
forme č la piů corretta?:
i swimmed
i have swimmed
i have been swimming
Ciao e grazie

 i have been swimming
Ok. Anche "I went swimming", "I was swimming", "I've been
for a swim", "I went for a swim".
Sono tutte forme grammaticamente corrette. Dipende da quello
che vuoi dire, e magari alla forma precisa della domanda.
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grazie.sono rimasto molto sorpreso perchè non mi sono mai accorto che  to
swim è un verbo irregolare...incredibile!!
cmq se puoi, potresti farmi qualche esempio di domanda con risposta
relativa..grazie!

 relativa..grazie!
"You're all wet... what on earth have you been doing?"
"I've been swimming" o "I went swimming a few minutes go"
o "I swam for 2 hours earlier today" o "I've swum to Ireland
and back since I saw you this morning"
"Advanced English Practice" di B.D. Graver e' pieno di esercizi
su queste e altre cose.
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for a swim", "I went for a swim".
E I've been swimming?
Tipo "I've been swimming around for a while" ^_^
Sebastiano
-- 
The pen is mightier than the sword... only if the
sword is very small and the pen is very sharp.

 Tipo "I've been swimming around for a while" ^_^
O anche solo "I've been swimming" e basta, si'
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direi
I was swimming.
i swimmed - no
i have swimmed - no
i have been swimming - ok

 i have been swimming
Un'altra vittima del present perfect...
Dunque: intanto A potrà chiedere a B "What have you been doing" o "What did
you do?". Tuttavia, quest'ultima mi sembra un po' insensata, nel senso che A
chiede a B cos'ha fatto perché, per esempio, lo vede bagnato. Perciò "I have
been swimming" (e non "I have swum", perché l'azione è progressiva) perché:
1) Ci sono effetti sul presente: B è bagnato.
2) E' sottinteso, per esempio, un "so far" o un "up to now" (cioè: "Cos'hai
fatto finora, mentre io ero via/mentre io stavo prendendo la suocera a
palettate?")
Non capisco il senso di "I was swimming", ma mi piego all'opinione dei
madrelingua.
Ciao, FB

> O anche solo "I've been swimming" e basta, si'
A me sembra che "I've been swimming" implichi che sto ancora nuotando. Forse
mi sbaglio, ma secondo me è scorretto.

 A me sembra che "I've been swimming" implichi che sto ancora nuotando. 
Non necessariamente. Lo Swan spiega 
"We use the present perfect progressive, in general, to talk about
situations which we started in the past and are still going on, or
which have just stopped and have present results."
"You look hot."  "Yes, I've been running."
La persona che risponde, ovviamente, non sta piu` correndo, ma e` ancora
accaldata.
La Swan, peraltro, aggiunge:
"The present perfect progressive has an 'up to now' focus. It is
common when we are talking about situations which are just coming to
an end or may change, or when we are talking about how long a
situation has lasted."
"The present perfect progressive focuses on the action/situation
itself, looking at it as a continuos, extended activity (not
necessarily finished)."
-- 
Enrico C
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 madrelingua.
SWAN:
"What were you doing at eight o' clock yesterday evening?" 
"I was watching TV."
I was painting all day yesterday.
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"been" come "I've been to London".
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
I was once a vengeful mad genius bent on destroying mankind,
but now I'm a vengeful mad genius bent on destroying mankind
WITH SUPER-POWERS! (Mojo Jojo)

 I was painting all day yesterday.
No, beh, riconosco il past progressive. Solo mi sfugge la sua correttezza
nel contesto dato.
Ciao, FB

nel contesto dato.
I was swimming all morning.
I was swimming a few minutes ago.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

 swim č un verbo irregolare...incredibile!!
http://www.englishpage.com/irregularverbs/irregularverbs.html
 can help you
to review the most frequently used irregular verbs.
The list is not complete, but it's a place to start.
There's also 
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/eslirrverb.html
,
which omits those irregular forms not used in America (dreamt, spelt, etc.)
Does anybody know a web page with the complete list of irregular verbs in
Britsh English?
---
Xakero

 to review the most frequently used irregular verbs.
There are 1,000+ "swimmed" on Googles!
Just a funny note :)
-- 
Enrico
The Irishman's remonstrance to his gad-about daughter:
"Shure, you're always goin' out! You go out three times, for wanst
that you come in!" 

 to review the most frequently used irregular verbs.
There are 1,000+ "swimmed" on Google!
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 There are 1,000+ "swimmed" on Google!
They may just be ahead of the time.
Seeing how many verbs have changed from irregular to regular (dreamt -->
dreamed, learnt --> learned), for all I know swimmed may be correct in 50
years. (Take a note and check it again at that time)
---
Xakero

A certain Xakero, of it.cultura.linguistica.inglese, writes:
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Just written down a reminder to check that out on August 10th, 2053 ;)
-- 
Enrico
"Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun."

 "Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun."
...by Noel Coward.
Excellent reading (e.g. on 
http://esl-lounge.com/songs/songmaddogs.html
) for
anyone who hasn't read it yet.
It is not a bad habit to give the source of a quotation.
---
Xakero
  "Ah Mozart! He was happily married -- but his wife wasn't.'" _Victor Borge

 It is not a bad habit to give the source of a quotation.
You are right, but I'd like to let you find out, if you don't mind.
After all, they are famous ones! :)
-- 
Enrico C
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. 
It's the only way to be sure."

 You are right, but I'd like to let you find out,
Not fair ;-)
---
Xakero

> "been" come "I've been to London".
"swimmin" come "I'm swimming".
"I've been living in Rome since 1980" significa che ci vivo ancora.

"I've been living in Rome since 1980" significa che ci vivo ancora.
Perché c'è il since 1980. E perché il verbo è "to live".
Se dico "I've been running ever since" significa che mi chiamo Forrest
Gump. Ma se mi chiedessero "what have you been doing?" Io direi "I've
been running". E significa che ho corso, o meglio, che stavo correndo.
"I've been walking around for two hours" significa che ho passeggiato
per due ore.
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 per due ore.
Infatti. 
Secondo lo Swan, possiamo usare la forma "HAVE BEEN + ING" sia se
l'azione e` ancora in corso sia se si e` conlcusa da poco e ha ancora
degli effetti sul presente.
"Sorry I'm late. Have you been waiting long?"
Pero` il periodo di tempo al quale ci riferiamo non deve essersi
concluso.
Per esempio, 
NON SI DICE: 
"You look tired." "Yes, I've been cycling non-stop until five
o'clock.". 
SI DICE:
"You look tired." "Yes, I was cycling non-stop until five o'clock.". 
-- 
Enrico 
"No law in that country must exceed in words the number of letters in
their alphabet...  They are expressed in the most plain and simple
terms, ...and to write a comment upon any law, is a capital crime."

 "I've been living in Rome since 1980" significa che ci vivo ancora.
Vero. Ma "I've been to London" vuol dire che sono andato
a Londra e sono tornato. Quindi "I've been swimming"
puo' essere visto come il passato di "To go swimming"
anziche' il past continuous di "to swim".
e "to go swimming" non e' particolarmente generalizzabile.
Non funziona con "to cycle", "to play football" ecc.
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 Non funziona con "to cycle", "to play football" ecc.
Sorry, non ho capito! :)
"You look hot." "Yes, I've been playing football."
si riferisce a un'azione conclusa, mi pare.
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 cosa, sempre swimming è.
Ovvio. Era un commento ironico alla frase precedente di Adam che contestava
la mia affermazione che il present perfect progressive prevedeva una
continuazione dell'azione dicendo che "been" era come in "I've been to
London". Se leggi i messaggi precedenti capisci.

Se leggi i messaggi precedenti capisci.
Mi fido :)
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