Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: american slangs

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Hi all
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 Ya = you
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 go to
Are you sure gonna is "go to"? I think gonna is "going to".
For example:   I'm gonna kill you = I'm going to kill you
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Dear Daniele,
You are quite right of course, as Midori noted in her first post in
answer to Claudio's question, 'gonna' stands for 'going to'.
I found your choice of an example sentence most interesting. I'm gonna
have to make sure I don't make you angry.
    >Francesca also wrote:
            >> I have saw that american slangs is common use in chat.
    >già che ci sono "I have seen"
This is not quite correct without changing the remainder of the
sentence.
I have seen...... that American slang is commonly used in chat.
I remain, as always, ecc.
Bambi
dtb
Daniele S. ha scritto nel messaggio ...
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Ya = you
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 a lemon = una fregatura
per "lemon" ho sempre inteso una auto che non funziona.  Non ho mai
sentito nessuno usarlo in nessun'altra situazione.  (Ex: I just bought
a lemon)
Ciao :-))
Arianna
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anche BOOZE = alcolici.......

(along with bread, pad, square, hip etc)
Io ho molto meno di 65 anni e, anche se non uso queste due parole,  ho
sentito spesso usare tra i giovani americani la parola "gal".
Ciao Fry!


Beh puo' darsi.  Dove?  Io ti dico la mia esperienza basata su 32 anni
di vita in California.  Puo' darsi che in altri posti sia una parola
usata da giovani.  Qui non lo e'.
Ciao
arianna
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a lemon)
Vero e'.

Eccone alcuni altri che ho raccattato oggi; e' possibile che alcuni
siano obsoleti, alcuni  li trovo leggendo, altri li sento usare di
tanto in tanto.
to croak = tirare le cuoia
shitload = un mucchio
to go bonkers = uscire di testa
couch potato = pigrone
damage = il conto
dork = tipo strampalato
flip out = uscire di testa
she's a fox /a foxy lady = donna molto attraente
go bananas = rincitrullirsi
loser = persona inutile, noiosa, un perdente
to nuke  = cuocere a microonde
he's nuts = e' scemo
a pain in the ass = un rompicoglioni
a party animal = festaiolo
to work for peanuts = lavorare per niente
a piece of cake = una cosa semplicissima
to know zip about = non sapere nulla di
shit faced = ubriaco, stravolto
hooker = troia
P.S. I'm trying to improve my insults dictionary....anybody?

On 19 Aug 1999 09:45:52 +0100, "oppolo" <opp...@ZZZfreemail.it> wrote:
SLANG RECENTISSIMO !
Espressione derivata dalla Simpson-mania televisiva:
"To pull a Homer" = riuscire a fare qualcosa malgrado la propria
incapacità o goffaggine.
(derivato dalle peripezie di Homer Simpson che dopo infiniti casini
riesce più o meno a ottenere in modo bizzarro e fortunoso quel che si
prefiggeva)

arianna
Beh, a dire la verita` io vivo a Roma, ma freuentando le chat americane per
teenagers l`ho trovata varie volte.
Ciao Fry!

 teenagers l`ho trovata varie volte.
There is your answer.  I wonder how many of those people do not live in
the United States.  Even if they do, remember that the number of people
who speak English as a second language in the states is astounding.
It's possible that they are using words they have heard in a chat from
someone who lives in Japan or Poland or Yemen (and I do love each one
of those countries).
Anyway, gal is a prefectly good word, it's just that, as i said,  I
have never heard anybody who is even close to me in age use it [and I
am not that young :-( ]
ciao
Arianna
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 P.S. I'm trying to improve my insults dictionary....anybody?
Per questo tipo di studio credo che un buon punto di inizio sia
American Forbidden Essential Dictionary of Taboo American
English, Zanichelli.
E' piccolo, ma caspita quanto č esauriente! ;))

sentito spesso usare tra i giovani americani la parola "gal".
Yes, you are right that "gal" and "chick" are used in the US but they are not
considered "politically correct;" especially "chick" which is considered
demeaning to women. You are more likely to hear these words spoken by young
people who do NOT want to be "politically correct." Also, people who live in
smaller, less cosmopolitan towns may not know that the words are unpopular. In
the heartland of the U.S., "gal" is still used frequently and as such the word
has acquired a rather rural tone. It is not widely accepted by people that this
word is "politically incorrect" and in fact its masculine version, "guy" is very
common.
I have often seen Italians write about the Simpsons, a television cartoon show.
This show has been wildly surpassed in "political incorrectness" by a television
cartoon show called South Park. I am surprised that Europe has not discovered
this program yet. It is very offensive, very vulgar, and often very funny if you
have an open mind to such things. Here you will find true and current young
American slang, not the sanitized older version you get on the Simpsons. I do
not recommend it for people who are easily offended because it has
eight-year-old children saying things so vulgar that they are bleeped out on
American cable television. Recently, a film version was released but I haven't
seen it.
If anyone is confused by the term "politically correct" let me know and I'll try
to explain it.
Ciao,
Ron
USA


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I will next time.
Non preoccuparti se non capisci le parole di Kenny. Mette sempre un giacca con
cappuccio che copre la sua bucca e nessuno puo' caprire che dice ecetto per
l'atri personaggi di South Park.
Ciao,
Ron
USA
sempre grato per le correzioni


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 have an open mind to such things. Here you will find true and current
young
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at writing in English, but I'm still studying at school!!!
Let me offer my condolences in advance for the long, torturous passage that
follows and that you will have to translate. Get your English dictionary ready!
I will try to be gentle.
The term "politically correct" is very commonly used in the U.S. and even
appears often in writing. In fact, there is a television show called
"Politically Incorrect." If a term becomes the title of a television show, you
can be certain that it is widely known by the general public.
Literally, the term means that the words you are using (or whatever actions or
political positions you are taking) are in compliance with a particular ideology
(political perspective, for example Right or Left). In general, for usage in the
US, the ideology that "politically correct" refers to is "centrist" or "liberal"
ideology (whether you would call it "centrist" or "liberal" would depend on your
political perspective).
For example, when children's textbooks in the US include pictures or
illustrations of children, a percentage of the pictures must show ethnic
minorities. This attempt to show cultural diversity in the US is considered
politically correct. A textbook will not be adopted (accepted) by a State in the
US if it does not show this diversity. On the other side politically,
Fundamentalist Christians do not want the Theory of Evolution presented as
proven fact in textbooks. They prefer the Christian Bible's version of how life
began. Complying with this politically conservative (il destro) ideology is
usually not referred to as politically correct although it may be by some
people.
You may have noticed that people sometime refer to "political correctness" with
some disdain. People who enforce compliance with political correctness are
sometimes ridiculed because some of their requirements have appeared absurd or
out of proportion with the real world. In fact, there has been a tendency among
some progressives (il sinistro) in the US to support the accepted politically
correct ideology without question. This unthinking adherence to some positions
has been damaging to progressives and has contributed to the ridicule.
There is not complete agreement among people about what things are politically
incorrect. For example, some people believe that it is okay to say that a person
of Asian descent is an Oriental, while others consider it demeaning
(disrespectful). The word "gal" is a word that some people may consider harmless
while others may consider it somewhat offensive. The word "chick" is firmly
entrenched as politically incorrect among those people who care about political
correctness.
Let me know if you have any questions. I'm sure this is somewhat confusing if
only because of the culture shock.
Ciao,
Ron
USA


In generale vuol dire usare, nei discorsi, una terminologia tale da non
risultare mai offensiva  verso nessuna delle parti in causa. E' quella
cosa che ha dato origine a termini ridicoli come 'operatore ecologico'
invece di 'spazzino', come se questo fosse un termine offensivo.
C'e' gente che si arrampica sui vetri per trovare delle alternative a
parole come 'nano', che ho visto sostituire con 'vertically challenged person'.
Mah....

has been damaging to progressives and has contributed to the ridicule.
there's a famous italian director's movie where the main character keeps
correcting people and telling them "words are important".
my opinion is that the way of using words may not change the world, but it
can help young people build a conception of society which could one day be
more respectful of people who don't look or think exactly like we do.
in a word, to be more tolerant and open-minded.
after all, in this perspective, to younger people political correctness
could be more helpful than imposing a thousand books that they will never
read.
and I have the feeling that also many adult italians would really need a
course in political correctness...
Luca
and, if I may, a little correction to your use of right and left in italian,
Ron: political ideologies are feminine (LA destra, LA sinistra).
I'm saying this because you might one day have a problem with that talking
to an italian: il destro and il sinistro in italian are usually referred to
punches (un destro meaning a punch with the right fist).
which is funny, as punches may easily be metaphorically referred to italian
parliamentary activities  :)
now I have a question: in the previous sentence was I supposed to write "as"
or "since"? what is the difference in the use of the two words?
Cialtrone Nr. nonmiricordopiu'

or "since"? what is the difference in the use of the two words?
You can use both, when you're referring to a cause.
Bye Asoka xx'82
<< However fast you may run, you will never overreach the ball >>

or "since"? what is the difference in the use of the two words?
L'una o l'altra funziona, ma devi anche mettere una "as" prima di "Italian".
Ciao, 
Raymot
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You can use both, when you're referring to a cause.
Strictly speaking, you can use either, but not both.
Raymot
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or "since"? what is the difference in the use of the two words?
Both "as" or "since" are gramatically correct, but it is better form to use
"because." Both "as" and "since" can be used in the place of "because" but their
usage is weaker (especially "as"). In general, the conjunction "as" is used to
introduce a clause of comparison (I would like to speak Italian as well as you
do). When "since" is used as a conjunction it can mean "because" or it can mean
"between a previous time and the present" so you must be careful with it (My
spoken Italian has improved, since I've stopped writing).
Ciao,
Ron
USA

Strictly speaking, you can use either, but not both.
Yes, OK, I didn't mean "as" and "since" in the same sentence. You know, in
Italian we often use "both" just to indicate "either".
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L'una o l'altra funziona, ma devi anche mettere una "as" prima di
"Italian".
Se ti riferisci a "Italian parliamentary activities", perchč dovrebbe
mettere "as" lě ?
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Scusa, ma per una volta non potresti semplicemente ammettere di aver
sbagliato?
ciao
Anna

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Non ho sbagliato : dà solo un'occhiata al messaggio di Ron e vedrai.
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 Asoka Valayil <wrote in message >
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I think this is what Anna was meaning.
Grazie, cara Bambi, per avere espresso il mio punto di vista in modo assai
più articolato e garbato di quanto io stessa potessi fare. E' vero, ho
rimproverato ad Asoka la sua mancanza di umiltà, ma l'ho fatto in modo
troppo sintetico e sbrigativo. Mea culpa. Per fortuna Your Highness ha
ritenuto opportuno *tradurmi*... :-))
Asoka, non avere sempre tutte le risposte è umano; e tu sei una persona, non
un computer... vero? Persino il grande Fonzie, seppure dopo un faticoso
allenamento, è riuscito a pronunciare le parole "Ho sbagliato"; now, are you
trying to convince me you are better than Arthur Fonzarelli? No way! :-)
Ciao
Anna

Italian we often use "both" just to indicate "either".
You'll notice that I used the word "both" as well in my explanation. It is true
that "either" is more exact but only someone "linguistically challenged" would
misinterpret this usage of the word. I doubt, judging by Luca's considerable
ability to write English, that he would misunderstand.
Which brings me to the reason for my post. You say that in Italian you often use
"both" to indicate "either." Do you mean "tutte e due," "entrambi," or
"ambedue?" Please explain.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

I think this is what Anna was meaning.
Of course I can understand what she was meaning, but, actually, I have often
been grateful to all the people who corrected me (I am thinking of Mary, for
istance) and thanked them.
It is not true I am haughty, maybe sometimes I didn't answer, but I got it
everytime.
The fact is that the ambiguity, in this case, is so hard to conceive that I
didn't even think one could have any misunderstanding ; I always try to be
as precise as possible, and to express myself in the best way.
I hereby apologize for making such a mess, which required a Queen's
intervention, and made her get the role of a Justice of the Peace.
Best Regards
Asoka Valayil

"ambedue?" Please explain.
"tutte e due", "entrambe" and "ambedue" mean the same thing, that is to say
"both".
But sometimes they can be translated as "either" (e.g. There are shops on
either side of the street) ;
nevertheless, "either" is more likely to be translated as " l'uno o
l'altro", "uno dei due".
Maybe I am not still clear, so just have a glance at this example :
Either way = in un modo o nell'altro, in entrambi i modi
As you can see, in this sentence "entrambi" gets another meaning (not the
one of "both")
I hope I have been of help to you (but someone else may explain it better
than me)
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 Bambi ha scritto
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sbagliato?
vabbe', ma la risposta di Raymot era un po' capziosa, dai.
mi pare fosse ovvio per chiunque che Asoka intendeva uno dei due e non
entrambi...
Luca
________
I suffer from a rare condition that afflicts
Mediterranean men. It's called self-respect.
(don delillo-underworld)

"ambedue?" Please explain.
with "entrambi" we mean "tutt'e due", with "ambedue" (not used in colloquial
language, we prefer to use "l'uno o l'altro") we mean either.
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L'una o l'altra funziona, ma devi anche mettere una "as" prima di "Italian".
?
in questo contesto non mi torna... 
vanz
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spoken Italian has improved, since I've stopped writing).
sorry but I'm afraid I'm not really following you here.
you mean that writing in a language someway damages the learning of that
language in a spoken form?
Luca
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Bye Asoka xx'82
Because without it, the verb "referred" is wrong. One does not
refer A to B (in this context). A may refer to B.
A = punches. B = Italian parliamentary activities.
A may be referred to B. [wrong]
A may be referred to as (being) B.  [right, though means a slightly
   different thing, I admit]
A may refer to B. [right]
A may be used to describe B [right]
A may describe B. [right]
" ... as punches may easily be metaphorically referred to as italian 
parliamentary activities." = One can easily refer to punches as 
being Italian parliamentary activities."
Spero che sia chiaro,
Raymot
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Bye Asoka xx'82
Sono d'accordo. Non era davvero uno sbaglio cattivo.
Il mio punto era piuttosto pedantico.
Raymot
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Il mio punto era piuttosto pedantico.
Gentile Raymot,
faceva bene, il tuo punto, a essere *pedante* (o pedantesco). Siamo qui
apposta, per porre domande pedanti e aspettare risposte ancor più pedanti, e
più pedanti sono più siamo soddisfatti... :-)) Come dice Isabella Z, ci
divertiamo specialmente a "farci le pulci", chi può negarlo? Non ho mai
detto né pensato che lo sbaglio di Asoka fosse "cattivo" o grave; era
certamente veniale... Quello che mi indisponeva un po' era la sua non
disponibilità ad ammettere di averlo commesso. Tutto qui.
Ciao
Anna

Spero che sia chiaro,
Grazie molte, ho capito.
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Anna
Capisco bene. In effetti, e` accettabile usare "both" invece
di "either" in qualche caso. Non e` sbagliato dire "Both terms
are acceptable", e ci sarebbero molte persone inglesi che 
direbbero che "You can use both terms" e` corretta.
Cio` lasciato a parte, sono d'accordo che e` una cosa triste
quando non si puo` ammettere di aver sbagliato. Tali
riconoscimenti fanno una parte del gioco, no?
Raymot
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language in a spoken form?
The sentence in parentheses, as well as the previous sentence in parentheses
which I wrote in that passage were examples to demonstrate my points. The clause
"since I've stopped writing" is ambiguous because the reader doesn't know if my
spoken Italian has improved 'because I've stopped writing' or if my spoken
Italian has improved 'between the time when I stopped writing and the present.'
So, your confusion is appropriate and satisfying. There is no truth to the
sentence, it is only an example to illustrate the ambiguous use of "since."
Ciao,
Ron
USA

last 40 years, I shouldn't have asked such a question.
to intertwine = intrecciarsi
Though I don't know whether "intertwinement" exists, maybe it's better if
you say "intertwining".
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Asoka's right, "intertwinement" doesn't exist.
In any case you're better off avoiding this kind of expression, which sounds
verbose in English.
For example, an Italian might say "La selezione del campione verrą effettuata"
whereas an English native speaker would say "The sample will be selected".
In your case, you might say "religion and politics have been inextricably linked
on the Italian political scene for the past 40 years".
If you used a synonym instead of "intertwinement", the verb would have to be in
the singular ("has represented") to match the subject.
Mary
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l'altro", "uno dei due".
I stand corrected, not for the first nor the last time in my life, I'm
afraid. Asoka is absolutely right: ambedue and entrambe have the same
meaning. we don't seem to have a single term which means "either":
another proof of the poorness and technical inadequacy of italian
language when compared to english.
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Spero che sia chiaro,
almost  :)   and not due to a lack of clearness in your explanation, but
only because of my innate inability to grasp abstractions and technical
formalizations. 
now, my feeling is that the problem could be: can you "refer something
to something else"? 
my guess is no: you can only refer TO something in a way or another, or
something can refer to something else, but you can't "refer" something
to something else.
right? or did I totally blow it again?
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sentence, it is only an example to illustrate the ambiguous use of "since."
got it, got it. 
sorry.
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into a new form of Middle Ages.
Luca,
La sua giovinezza si rivela. (Your youth is showing.)
Ciao,
Ron
USA


Raymot's right. You probably had in mind the Italian "riferiti a..", but you can't
translate that into English as "referred to".
You'd have to say "referred to as" (=described as), "relate to" or "be involved
in" (e.g. "punches could be said to relate to/be involved in Italian parliamentary
activities").
Mary
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, lvan...@NOSHITadhoc.net says...
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You are essentially right when "refer" is used *in this context*,
ie. where "to refer to" means 1) "to allude to" or to describe, define ...
far riferimento a ... That is, it is a vi. intransitive verb.
"to refer" can also be used in other ways.
2) to consult vi. - "I referred to the dictionary for advice"
3) to send to vt. - "My friend would not tell me the definition -
he referred me to the dictionary.
"The doctor referred me to a specialist"
You can refer a person to something or someone, but you don't
generally refer a thing. You can't transitively refer punches to Ipa's 
for example. However, punches can refer intransitively to Ipa's in sense 1).
Having said that, there are specialised definitions of "refer" which
include referring (4 vt.) submitting, handing over, passing on) things to 
other things: "The Bill was referred to the Senate"
5) Rarely, in a technical sense, it means "to assign, to regard as related 
or belong to...". vt.
"The newly-discovered fossil was referred to the Cretaceous perod".
Under this definition, Asoka's sentence could be argued as being
correct; but no-one really talks this way
Raymot
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into a new form of Middle Ages.
C hg cgh c..cough ...splutter ..
Excuse me, I just choked on my Weetbix.
Raymot
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language when compared to english.
Inadequacy of Italian my a**. Try telling someone 'ti voglio bene'. In
English.
Ciao
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching

English.
"I am fond of you", for instance.
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Inadequacy of Italian my a**...
Mi associo: please count my a** as well!
Anna
(Any other nice little a**es want to join in?)

"I am fond of you", for instance.
Grazie, Asoka, ma dovresti sapere meglio di me che non e' *proprio* la
stessa cosa. Puoi essere fond anche della crostata di fragole, ma non e' che
tu le *voglia bene*. La mia risposta era volutamente provocatoria, come
penso fosse chiaro: agli albori di questo NG le due questioni, quella
specifica del ti amo vs. ti voglio bene e quella generica della
superiorita'/inferiorita' di una lingua vs. l'altra sono state dibattute
fino allo sfinimento, senza trovare alcuna conclusione probante (come e'
giusto che sia). Ma che si possa definire 'povera' e 'inadeguata' una lingua
come l'italiano, e per di piu' in relazione all'inglese che non ha nemmeno
la meta' delle possibilita' verbali dell'italiano, beh, e' troppo. L'inglese
ha il pregio della sintesi, ed e' per questo che ha colonizzato e
colonizzera' il mondo, ma che l'italiano al suo confronto non e' ne' povero
ne' inadeguato.
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English.
I want you badly?
He, he.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

...
" 
" >Inadequacy of Italian my a**...
" 
" Mi associo: please count my a** as well!
My ape? [1] My ack? My ash??
.mau.
(mi e` capitato di trovare una traduzione di ape come "insetto" :-( )

ne' inadeguato.
C'e' un 'che' di troppo.
Sorry.
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Inadequacy of Italian my a**. Try telling someone 'ti voglio bene'. In English.
"I feel for you"?
that's what Chaka Khan sings, adding "I think I love you"
therefore I am led to suppose that "I feel for you" is a weaker way to
express affection than "I love you", so maybe it could be an acceptable
subsitute to the italian "ti voglio bene"? (an expression I always
regarded with great suspect, as it gives rise to great expectations
without committing the speaker in any way).
I only know that when someone of the opposite sex (or let's say
belonging to a sex that is compatible with one's desires and sexual
inclinations) says "ti voglio bene", chances are you're not going to get
laid.
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ne' inadeguato.
dire che l'inglese ha il pregio della sintesi e percio' ha colonizzato
il mondo probabilmente non e' sbagliato, ancorche' riduttivo. ma il
fatto di avere piu' parole a disposizione per esprimere diverse
sfumature dello stesso concetto non mi pare indice di sintesi.
l'inglese ha colonizzato il mondo anche perche' e' la lingua madre
dell'economia dominante e del cinema dominante. ma ha certamente giocato
a suo favore il fatto di essere una lingua molto facile da imparare ad
un livello elementare sufficiente a farsi comprendere in qualunque
situazione.
sul fatto che l'italiano non sia ne' povero ne' inadeguato tout-court,
beh, ci sono decine di poeti a dimostrarlo, quindi non mi sogno nemmeno
di negarlo.
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correct; but no-one really talks this way
got it and stored it for future reference, though I can't guarantee I
won't do it again, due to a serious case of Alzheimer's disease I
suspect I'm suffering from (but my doctor doesn't, which pisses me off).
(another involute sentence. sorry, Mary, but after all, y'know, we
italians are byzanthines in our hearts).
luca
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activities").
got it. thank you both.
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La sua giovinezza si rivela. (Your youth is showing.)
wish you were right, Ron. I wish so much you were right...
but that sentence was supposed to be sarcastic, though it probably
didn't show.
Luca
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Ciao.
Sono piu' d'accordo con Isabella che con te.
Comunque devo riconoscere che hai espresso le tue opinioni in maniera
limpidissima... e in italiano.
Ti sto dando torto o ragione? :)
ciao
		giuseppe

ne' inadeguato.
Concordo
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virtualmente rimescolare la frase come ti pare che il senso non cambia.
Direi solo virtualmente : se cambi l'ordine delle parole, a volte vengono
certi casotti...
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(mi e` capitato di trovare una traduzione di ape come "insetto" :-( )
Mamma mia, dove l'hai trovata ? :-|
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No, that sentence was fine, actually.
I'm curious to know where you learnt your very good colloquial English. Have
you lived in England?
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LOL. Very true.
The best English equivalent under such circumstances is "I'm very fond
of you"/"I like you a lot" (sottinteso: "but....").
As a matter of interest, English children say "I love you" to their
parents, whereas Italian children say "ti voglio bene".
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" >(mi e` capitato di trovare una traduzione di ape come "insetto" :-( )
" 
" Mamma mia, dove l'hai trovata ? :-|
Nelle bozze di un libro (inutile dire che nell'edizione definitiva non
c'era)
ciao, .mau.

 mother language.
You speak that too?   :-))
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dell'economia dominante e del cinema dominante.
Ehi, ehi, ehi. Questo e' successo dopo. Gli inglesi hanno colonizzato il
mondo con l'Impero, imponendo quasi ovunque una lingua primitiva e facile ad
apprendersi, di cui si puo' dire che chiunque conosca diecimila vocaboli (su
mezzo milione) la parli. Il cinema non esisteva. Poi, nel ventesimo secolo,
l'impero britannico si e' sfaldato, e la cultura e l'economia americane
hanno preso il sopravvento... anche perche' mezzo mondo capiva gia'
l'inglese.
Resta il fatto che non sono d'accordo che l'inglese offra maggiori capacita'
espressive rispetto all'italiano, ma anche questa e' solo la mia opinione.
Ciao
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laid.
But you're sure in for lengthy tales about that someone's erotic antics with
everyone else, as in 'ti voglio bene, queste cose posso raccontarle solo a
te che mi capisci'.
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He, he.
I do, too, dear.
He, he.
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parents, whereas Italian children say "ti voglio bene".
My point exactly.
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comune.
Pensa che sfida: tradurre la nostra Bambi (dtb) in italiano cercando di
ricalcarne in modo accettabile il registro, lo stile... Ci proviamo, un
giorno di questi? Con un po' di faccia tosta, magari, e affrontando il
rischio di incorrere nel delitto di lesa maestà (ma forse questo per te non
vale...)
Anna

vale...)
Garantisco io per lei. Lei e' sempre nel parco coi cani e non s'accorgera'
di niente... go ahead gel.
Your other Queen
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(Any other nice little a**es want to join in?)
My a** joins the party! :-)
And, since my a** came back here, I'd better bring back on icling the rest
of me... :-)
...e ne approfitto per dire che torno con gran piacere su questo bel ng:
come ho fatto a vivere per piu' di un mese senza gli intraducibili sport di
Anna Martini, senza le esilaranti taglines sempre IT di Mary Cassidy, senza
gli impareggiabili scritti di Bambi, senza gli spiritosissimi ed
esaurientissimi interventi di Ron, senza i 'regali' suggerimenti di Isabella
Z, senza etc?
saluti a tutti
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OK, ho capito che si tratta di una trappola, ma ci provo lo stesso.
He'd been given a tape recorder and a descant recorder (OK, qui ho barato), but
he tried to run before he could walk and got nowhere; he was already studying
the double bass at the Conservatoire.
Then he sat down to eat, said "For what we are about to receive, may the Lord
make us truly thankful", but immediately decided that business should come
before pleasure, and put off his dinner. He went upstairs and got down to work.
Com'era l'originale?
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He, he.
Si, ne sappiamo tutto. Mi sembre che ci sono molte cose che si puo' dire ma non
si puo' traddure letteralmente in inglese o in italiano, tutte e due.
La mia conoscenza d'italiano non e' approfondita ma forse queste frase hanno i
significati inichi in inglese come ha "ti voglio bene" in italiano.
"I treasure you"
"I appreciate you"
"I value you so much"
"I have warm feelings for you"
(Sono troppo timido a dire le mie emozioni vere in pubblico, dunque le maschero
in un post del linguaggio.)
Ciao,
Ron
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sempre grato

Ron, me la spieghi?
Uffa! E' meglio che lascio questo compito a Isa Z che credo abbia la piu'
esperienza di questo argumento.
Ciao,
Ron
USA
sempre grato per le correzioni

hehehehe.. :-)
Gennaro,
Non si dice "this inspires sex to me."
Che vuoi dire?
"This inspires sexual thoughts in me"
"This sounds sexual to me"
"This seems sexual to me"
"This reminds me of sex"
"This connotes sex to me" (academic)
Ciao,
Ron
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sempre

How do you translate "badly"?
Senza dubbio, in inglese il significato e' sessuale. In questo caso "badly"
significa "moltissimo" nel senso che "il mio desiderio per te e' cosi forte che
far male a me."
Ciao,
Ron
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sempre grato per le corrrrrrrrezzzzzzzioni

Secondo me: uniafai (ndr non ce la fai)!
Ah, uniafaccio, eh?
Mi sa che ci hai ragione. Ma tanto, visto che da perdere ho solo la faccia,
un giorno ci provo, appena sarò in vena di farmi massacrare... Bleah, il
solito masochismo femminile!
Anna

nemmeno se...
Va be', ma allora... :(
Certe volte tenessi chiusa 'sta boccaccia! Mo' mi tocca giocarmela da sola,
'sta "professione". D'ora in poi per me sei la regina Grimilde! Oh!
A.

How do you translate "badly"?
di brutto?
un Peltio telegrafico

certi casotti...
dire capisco non quello vuoi che.
saluti,
Peltio yodato


Domando perdono, di grazia: ero intenta a succidere alcune pianticelle e a
far passeggiare i cani.
Ho forse udito menzionare il mio nome, o si trattava unicamente di uno
stormir di foglie prodotto da questo alquanto sgomentevole fortunale?
Tuttavia, avrei giurato che... Ma è possibile che m'inganni.
Sempre devotissima, vostra
B
Avanti, fatemi a pezzi!
Anna


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dire capisco non quello vuoi che.
Voglio dire che certi mie compagni di classe, non riuscendo ad ordinare le
parole nella traduzione in italiano, scrivono cose talmente assurde...
(sebbene in maniera assai minore, capita qualche volta anche a me).
Bye Asoka xx'82
<< However fast you may run, you will never overreach the ball >>

Anna
De-li-zio-sa
Ne ero certa, vivaddio
Krimhild
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching

'sta "professione". D'ora in poi per me sei la regina Grimilde! Oh!
LOL
Saro' con te in pensieri, parole e opere... puoi farcela, lo so
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esperienza di questo argumento.
Scusate un secondo
Sbaglio o mi ha dato della zoccola?
:-)
Isa
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> He, he.
Ti voglio... (completare a piacere con:)
da pazzi
da morire
da impazzire.
Yes, ha un significato eminentemente erotico
Ciao
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:-)
Non ammetto niente.
In ogni caso, nel mio vocabulario "zoccolo" e' maschile.
Baci,
Ron
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Non ammetto niente.
Vedo che l'italiano lo stai imparando veramente bene.
saluti,
Peltio, che non ha visto niente, non c'era e se c'era dormiva (come al
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verb!
In inglese i phrasal verbs, di origine germanica, sono molto più usati,
perlomeno nel parlato, dei verbi di origine latina, che quindi risultano
molto simili a quelli italiani.
Quindi non c'è da meravigliarsi che Mary abbia usato un phrasal verb per
un'espressione idiomatica! :-)
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In ogni caso, nel mio vocabulario "zoccolo" e' maschile.
Non vorrei mettere zizzania, ma "zoccola" io lo tradurrei con "slut".
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Er... did you know that "lunatic" means "matto/a da legare"?
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 Is your family getting annoyed with you for hogging the computer?
How did you know?  :-)
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Krimhild
Sono passate 24 ore, sono ancora tutta intera... Perhaps you really meant
it, after all :))
Un inchino e un sospiro di sollievo
Vostra umile servitrice (it just slipped out...)
Anna
(che d'ora in avanti, prima di gettare ancora alle ortiche la prudenza, ci
penserà 12 volte)
GRAZIE a Bambi e a Gennaro :-)))

verbose in English.
yeah, I know. byzantinisms again.
imho the real problem in speaking another language is not that of
learning the grammar, the words or the verbs conjugation, but getting
accustomed to the cultural mental -uh... I'm lost here. "frames"?
"schemes"?- of the people who speak that language.
Luca
Marry me girl be by fairy to the world be my very own constellation
A teenage bride with a baby inside getting high on information
And buy me a star on the Boulevard it's Californication
(RHCP)

...e non le so confrontare... :-)))
si', anch'io quando ritengo troppo rischioso esprimere un'opinione mi
esprimo cosi'.   :)
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you lived in England?
I'm afraid not, Mary.
actually, I gather my poor english is the result of 15 years of
listening to rock/pop/punk/hip hop songs, watching flicks in original
version and reading several kilos of books.
born and bred american while living in italy, I guess.
add to that a couple years on an american mailing list about cinema and
a few weeks (plus years of daily correspndance by e-mail) in california
living with an local girl, and you have the complete picture.
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Australian beer is made from kangaroo hops.
this is lovely. so you pick them up according to the subject. you must
have a huge database. can I ask you what software you're using for the
sigs or is it a professional secret?  :)
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te che mi capisci'.
something you need like a hole in the head, in those moments.
sad, ain't it?
Luca
"l'amore corrisposto e' un corto circuito"
Sam Beckett
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Ti sto dando torto o ragione? :)
ah, se non lo sai tu...
Luca
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parents, whereas Italian children say "ti voglio bene".
that's because "ti amo" has an (unofficial, but culturally strong) sense
of sexual desire.
yeah, we're a little warped when it comes to express feelings, lemme say
that.
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Come tradurresti in inglese quel che segue?
non lo tradurrei, per vostra fortuna.
le traduzioni dall'italiano all'inglese le lascio ai madrelingua, che e'
meglio. per l'inverso resto a disposizione.
e infatty Mary ha fatto un ottimo lavoro, per tua sfortuna invalidando 
la tua tesi  :-)
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... e che ti dice che a me non interessino di più gli XY???? :)))

penserà 12 volte)
You walk out on the high wire
you're a dancer on thin ice
you pay no heed to the danger
and less to advice
Your footsteps are forbidden
but with knowledge of your sin
you throw your love to all the strangers
and caution to the wind
(Dire Straits)
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è proprio uguale.
Indeed it is not. The Italian equivalent for that is 'non si puo' cavare
sangue da una rapa', meaning an altogether different thing from 'non
riuscire a cavare un ragno dal buco'. That actually means, of course, 'to
get nowhere'.
:-)
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Er... did you know that "lunatic" means "matto/a da legare"?
But on the other hand lunacy, like beauty, may be in the eye of the
beholder.
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"schemes"?- of the people who speak that language.
Hum... mentality?
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that.
What do you mean, warped. We have the right words to define the kind of
affection that's reserved for lovers, and for friends and family, and for
cats and dogs, and for apple pie. I'd call that clarity.
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something you need like a hole in the head, in those moments.
For further information, please refer to
http://www.trepan.com
saluti perforanti,
Peltio


We're not intellectual enough to talk like that.
You might say "thought processes".
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That would explain the mixture of British and American colloquialisms!
It also confirms that you can learn a hell of a lot of English from a full
immersion in various media without actually spending much time outside Italy.
All learners, please note.
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Actually, I have this great bioprogram that runs on that interconnected
network of synapses we all used to use before Bill Gates took over the
world. :-)
There is a program called Tagline Manager, I think, which I haven't
tried; you should find it with a web search.
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sad, ain't it?
Sad, but unfailingly true. Never fall in love with a friend, never offer
friendship to lovers...
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The two most beautiful words in the English language: cheque enclosed.
Gotcha! Dorothy Parker.
Love,
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è proprio uguale.
Infatti è il corrispondente di "cavare sangue da una rapa".
Bye Asoka xx'82
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Appetito.
Ok, there are no correspondant words. I tried to translate it since I
sometimes heard "good appetite" said by my father ; but I think his English
sometimes turns out to be corrupted by other languages, since he travelled a
lot in non-anglophone (official language) countries, when he was young, and
he's been living in Italy for 35 years. Then I endeavoured another
translation, which I still regard as a little better than the former.
But I realized that there are no real translations for that sentence.
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... e che ti dice che a me non interessino di più gli XY???? :)))
nulla, ma certamente non i miei, con tutto il dovuto rispetto.  :)
Luca
Non ho nessuna frase spiritosa come tagline.
Mi volete bene lo stesso?
I have no witty sentence to use as a tagline.
(Error 404: impossible to translate)

cats and dogs, and for apple pie. I'd call that clarity.
I mean that, compared to most other european peoples, we seem to be
overly careful, to avoid any possible misinterpretation of our
expressions of affection.
I wonder if this might derive from a culture where any sign of interest
in another person used to be judged and censored. I'm thinking of a
scene of Raging Bull by Scorsese, where Jake La Motta's wife says that
another boxeur is "cute" (or maybe "handsome"). La Motta, italian from
the south and jealous beyond any tolerable limit, almost beats her up.
but you're right: the result in the use of the language is one of
clarity, though maybe some sort of encyclopedic kind of clarity.
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espressive rispetto all'italiano, ma anche questa e' solo la mia opinione.
ça va sans dire, come il fatto che la rispetto pienamente.
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saluti perforanti,
visioni consigliate:
The Driller Killer
Tetsuo
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...ma potrei anche aver preso fiaschi per lanterne.
Lucciole per fischi, more likely :-)
Anna

If I am mistaken in this, I trust Gennaro will let me know.
I don't really want to enter this discussion of qualitative comparisons between
Italian and English--there are two many other variables to consider than just
the words themselves and the destination of the topic doesn't interest me.
However, I'd like to make one comment that concerns literal translation,
meaning, and intent.
You can certainly express the meaning of "buon appetito" using English. However,
English words are not commonly used in English-speaking cultures to express this
meaning. I think one must remember that just because an expression is not common
in a language does not mean that it cannot convey a desired meaning. There is a
difference between talking about cultural customs and talking about a language's
capability to express a particular meaning.
If I put a plate of my homemade gnocchi in front of you and said "enjoy," you
would get my meaning.
Ciao,
Ron
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 the south and jealous beyond any tolerable limit, almost beats her up.
I wouldn't have thought so; until fairly recently, the British and Americans
were very puritan, and many people still are, though crimes of passion are
very infrequent.
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Quando parlavi del morbo di Alzheimer in un altro messaggio pensavo che stessi
scherzando; infatti ero sul punto di dire che non era il caso.
Ce l'aveva mia mamma, quindi anche a me a volte viene la paranoia di averlo
quando mi accorgo che dimentico le cose, ma mi rendo conto che si tratta appunto
di una paranoia.
Se il tuo medico dice che non ce l'hai, credo che ti possa fidare.
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their meal.
I used to tell Italians that "Buon Appetito" has no real equivalent in
English or at at worst we resort to French and say "Bon Appetit". A
student accepting this fact, rather than saying  "No but ..." was
usually a good sign that he or she was going to be a strong student.
Harry

right).
BTW, if you go to Greece, you can find books about Greek erotism (in several
languages).
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la loro lingua madre fosse stato l'inglese? quesito interessante...
Già, interessante, ma penso che la lingua inglese, per la sua semplicità,
sia stata adatta per la coesione dei popoli.
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sgomentevole... se becco qualcuno che lo dice lo picchio sul posto! :)
E io invece lo bacio! :-))
Comunque mi pare di capire che anche da te ho preso la sufficienza: ne
gongolo, davvero. Prometto però di non abbandonarmi a sibaritici piaceri
dormendo
sugli allori...
Ciau e grazie
Anna


Very true, but sort of depressing; in most disciplines, the argumentative
students are usually much better than the ones who passively accept what
you tell them.
The same applies to "prego" as to "buon appetito"; Americans often say
"you're welcome", whereas the Brits usually say nothing at all.
Conversely, when I go to England nowadays, my sister keeps reminding me to
say "please" to people, because after so many years in Italy, I tend to
forget.
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sulla gazzetta dello sport, guarda.  :)
Sad but true. Cosa non si scopre, caro Luca, sfogliando un buon dizionario
dei sinonimi... No, non quello di Biscardi!
Le risorse dell'italiano, dico io, sono infinite. Mancano le parole? Bene,
ci si aggiusta con quelle che ci sono, se ne inventano di nuove, si
adoperano le vecchie in nuovi modi... Il difetto non sta nella lingua ma in
chi (non) la usa. Questa č una delle mie pochissime convinzioni
incrollabili, perciň anche se puoi, ti prego: non dimostrarmi il contrario!
:-)
Per quel che puň valere, posso dirti che mi piace come scrivi (tanto in
ital. quanto in ing.)?
anna
(sympatethically minuscola)


Loosely translated:
Volpeggia contro la volpe
Pianta grane alle pantegane
Scimmiotta la scimmia
Da sera a mane
Ma voglio dire una cosa, amore, a te:
Non fare la scema con lo scimpanzé.
Don't ask me what it means, though!  :-)
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 Peltio
Alabarda spaziale!
Ciao,
Dario.
ITA

 dormendo sugli allori...
Sugli allori si sta un po' scomodi, ma certo non si deve dormire per
abbandonarsi a sibaritici piaceri... :-)
Ciao,
Dario.
ITA

abbandonarsi a sibaritici piaceri... :-)
LOL hai ragione, ma non pensi che dipenda anche un po' dai *molli* sibariti
ai quali ho la sfortuna di accompagnarmi?
Anna

being but two, in my opinion.
As usual, your reply is so gracious and unnecessarily self-effacing that I'm
disinclined to press a point. But, if you'll tolerate a bit of self-expression
that borders on the off-topic, I'll indulge myself in this situation (buon
appetito a me!).
In my personal experience every translated expression has a different feeling,
even if it has the same meaning. When I see a mother glance back toward her
child and say "andiamo" it feels different to me than when I see a similar scene
with a mother saying "we're going" or "let's go."
For a brief explanation, read the following; but if the subject of semiotics
bores you, skip to the salutation. A word has not only a unique set of
connotations, but also a set of higher-level connotations that become
increasingly idiolectic (pertaining to the unique experience of the listener),
the higher the level. The very sound of a word, it's literal meaning, and
coincident meanings also affect our perception of it. As a result, our
conversations are only approximations of communication based on an overlapping
but not coincident comprehension of word meaning. This problem of transfer is
compounded when the conversation involves different languages and cultures.
So, when I place a bowl of my homemade pasta e fagiolo before you and this time
say "good appetite," I hope you don't misconstrue my intent.
Ciao,
Ron
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Dire che una lingua e' piu' versatile di un'altra e' una bestialita', e gli
esempi che hai portato mostrano solo che conosci l'italiano meglio
dell'inglese.
Nel primo caso avresti potuto usare il verbo "to lend - prestare", nel
secondo "to bring forward - far vedere" o, se tu non avessi avuto timore di
apparire un avvocato in incognito, "to produce - esibire".

say "good appetite," I hope you don't misconstrue my intent.
Prima di qualcuno mi da una correzione, credo che sia chiamato pasta e fagioli.
Mia madre che mi ha insegnato come fare questo piatto, lo ha chiamato un nome
che ha suonato come "pasta fassoul."
Ciao,
Ron
USA
sempre grato

che ha suonato come "pasta fassoul."
Ah ahhhhh!  Mamma pugliese!
Ho sempre invidiato quelli con le mamme pugliesi, in Puglia si mangia meglio
che in qualunque altro posto.

Se il tuo medico dice che non ce l'hai, credo che ti possa fidare.
dei medici mi fido poco per definizione, soprattutto di molti medici
italiani, che a mio parere non si documentano sufficientemente.
basti dire che l'ultimo problema di salute l'ho risolto grazie a una
ricerca in rete e ad un farmacista californiano, mentre il mio dottore
non sapeva che pesci pigliare.
ma a questo punto mi tocca un mea culpa: scherzo spesso sul mio
ipotetico e probabilmente inesistente morbo di Alzheimer,come su tante
altre cose, e sapevo che prima o poi mi sarei trovato a commettere una
gaffe. mi spiace di averti riportato alla mente ricordi non proprio
piacevoli a causa di uno scherzo che ritenevo innocuo, Mary. 
really sorry. 
Luca
"Nulla inaridisce una mente quanto la ripugnanza
a concepire idee oscure. In questo grande 
dormitorio dell'universo, l'incubo e' la sola
forma di lucidita' "
(Emile Cioran)

>
http://www.trepan.com
ma dove le trovi ste robe qui?
divertente.  :)
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very infrequent.
I'm sorry, Mary: "though" like "therefore" or though like "despite the
fact that"?
(I know there must be only one meaning to "though", but I can't see
which is it).
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meaning. 
which, let me say, could be due to the worldwide known tastiness of
British food.
(sorry, but I couldn't refrain from doing that  :)
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(ancora una volta l'italo-americano Louis Prima)
Since I'm an avid Louis Prima fan, I can assure you that it was Angelina, the
waitress at the pizzeria that set his heart on fire ("I eat zuppa minestrone
just to be with her alone, Angelina").
Ciao,
Ron
USA

 appetito a me!).
(snip)

 But, as regarding the first sentence, I was pretty sure... ;-))))
Does this mean I should maybe shut up for a couple of minutes?
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yours respectfully
Gennaro
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sempre grato
"Prima che qualcuno mi corregga.."
"...lo ha chiamato con un nome che e' suonato..."
ciaociao
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ma dove le trovi ste robe qui?
Internet News, in edicola.
Pensa che non l'ho nemmeno visto quel sito. Ho solo copiato l'indirizzo.
saluti,
Peltio


Good God, he rhymes "minestrone" with "alone"???
And you *still* like him?
Mary
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 which is it).
I really meant "however". Despite the fact that many people are still puritan,
crimes of passion are very infrequent.
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 apparire un avvocato in incognito, "to produce - esibire".
Scusami tanto se ti correggo ancora, ma "bring forward" significa "anticipare",
o al massimo "portare in avanti", non "far vedere", che si può tradurre con
"show".
E' vero che "produce" significa "esibire" (nel gergo legale), ma in questo
contesto dà un po' l'impressione del mago che tira fuori un coniglietto dal
cilindro.
I love your pseudonym; I'm sure it'll start a trend.
I can just imagine "Albertus Extra Bold", "Bookman Old Style" and "Antique
Olive".
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 Dear Bambi,
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 potatoes on the other hand....
"Quasi da piangere mi fa costei..."
(tratto da: "Donna Bambi, o l'empia punita" :-)
Ciao,
Dario.
ITA

And you *still* like him?
I have been told, and it has been my experience hearing Italian spoken on the
East Coast of the US as a child, that some southern Italian dialects curtail
pronouncing the last vowel of words. Louis Prima was Sicilian-American and is
considered one of the great Swing Musicians of the 40's and 50's.
Ciao,
Ron
USA
PS: This is a longgggg thread, does anyone remember the question in the original
post?

 post?
No, I think I missed it while I was on holiday in July :-)
Mary
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Up here in Padania, it would rhyme with "soon".
In the dialect(s) I heard, the Italians pronounced "minestrone" the same way
they pronounced "alone." In the song, it's not even a slant rhyme. Perhaps it
depends on whether you pronounce "alone" with the same southern Italian accent.
I can't explain it. It always baffled me while growing up to hear people
speaking Italian without pronouncing the last vowel. I am not talking about a
few isolated cases here, but rather thousands of people (I may not have
personally heard thousands). They also successfully assimilated English words
into their language with a pronunciation that made it almost impossible to
distinguish their origin.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

Dear Ron,
As far as I can make out the original posts centred on the Simpsons
followed by a question from flower regarding the meaning of Political
Correctness....
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I remain, as always, ecc
Bambi
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Ron  wrote in message
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che ha suonato come "pasta fassoul."
ragazze/i, dichiaro subito che, se dovessi mai partecipare ad un raduno,
io a pasta e fagioli mi dichiaro pronto a sfidare chiunque, eccetto un
veneto.
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USA
bye
Gennaro
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"...and Angelina will be mine!"
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USA
bye
Gennaro
(anche lui sempre grato per le correzioni....)
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Do you flood icling with your lunatic ravings?
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Gennaro
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 forma di lucidita' "
Contento tu...
Un pittore mediterraneo diceva che il sonno della ragione
genera i mostri.
Alex
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Ron, ma gli inglesi (americani, australiani eccetera) lo dicono buon
appetito?
Voglio dire, si puo' tradurre in inglese? Viene usata questa frase nel mondo
anglosassone?
E se non viene usata come mi hanno detto, perche'?
(Forse perche' la cucina inglese non e' delle migliori?)
Ciao
Agos

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Gli americani useranno la versione francese se il piatto e' francese o la
versione italiana se il piatto e' italiano. Pero' sembra come un affettazione a
qualche americano che parla di solito soltanto inglese. A volte qualcuno dirai
"enjoy," o "dig in" (molto informale), o "have a good meal" (molto formale). Non
si dice mai "good appetite." Communque il nocciolo del mio posto era che se si
dice "good appetite" a un americano lo capira' perche' credo che la maggiore
parte degli americani sentissero la versione francese. In ogni caso, credo che
"enjoy" venga vicino al significato di "buon appetito."
Scusa, lo so che il mio italiano e' brutto ma provo a dire le cose che non ho
imparato gia (leggo avanti nel mio libro dia grammatica). Questo sabito
comincero' le mie lezione d'italiano di nuovo.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

veneto.
Raduno? Ho sentito la parola MAGICA? Gia', perche' non... oh, lo so, tanti
di noi non vivono in Italia ma... 'cidenti... una cena di icling...
Pensateci
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching

comincero' le mie lezione d'italiano di nuovo.
Questo si' che si chiama buttare il cuore oltre l'ostacolo.
Ron, sei un grande.
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 >To tuck in TO a dinner I believe is the correct expression.
Gennaro replied:
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Dear Ron,
If I might be permitted to use a colloquialism, more power to you from
this  Saturday forth.
Not that it should interest you in the slightest I am sure, but I am
full of admiration for you in your studying to learn Italian.
I wish you happy studies.
I remain, as always,ecc.,
Bambi
dtb
Ron wrote in message:
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genera i mostri.
Stranamente il pittore autore della citazione, Francisco Goya, non e`
fuori luogo in un discorso sulla demenza. Goya ebbe una malattia
neuropsichiatrica sulla cinquantina da cui guari` dopo molti anni.
Ricordo un articolo sul BMJ (un'importante rivista medica inglese) di
qualche anno fa in cui si sosteneva che quelli di Goya erano i tipici
segni di avvelenamento da piombo, un metallo presente in grandi
quantita` nelle vernici. La demenza da piombo e` reversibile.
Fin dal 1977 l'Italia (ma anche la Comunita` Europea) mise in atto una
serie di misure per ridurre il contenuto di piombo nell'ambiente.
Vennero effettuate anche due campagne di monitoraggio biologico (nel
1985 e nel 1996). La seconda campagna mostro` valori di piombemia
dimezzati rispetto a quelli di 11 anni prima. Altri paesi sono stati
meno solleciti ed efficienti del nostro.
Ciao
Ferdinando Chiodo

ital. quanto in ing.)?
commosso ringrazio e sinceramente ricambio  :)
Luca
"Nulla inaridisce una mente quanto la ripugnanza
a concepire idee oscure. In questo grande 
dormitorio dell'universo, l'incubo e' la sola
forma di lucidita' "
(Emile Cioran)

considered one of the great Swing Musicians of the 40's and 50's.
"singer" would be a better definition, though I would probably use
"crooner".
he was a singer and a composer, but as far as I know not a musician.
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And you *still* like him?
ha!
I swear I hadn't read this when I replied...
Luca
(in case, one more reason to like him, Mary...)
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just to be with her alone, Angelina").
just curious, but does he pronounce alone like it were an italian word,
rhyming with minestrone?
(can't check myself since my Louis Prima cd has mysteriously
disappeared)
Luca
just a gigolo
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Ron, sei un grande.
Non ho devuto cercare lontano giu' la lista di questo newsgroup a trovare le
traduzioni di "sei un grande." Eccoli!
'Personalmente, quando dico o quando mi dicono "sei un gran..." , quasi sempre
l'aggettivo "mancante" è "stronzo" :)))'
Giuseppe
'"sei un gran" mi da tanto l'idea che sia poi seguito da (perdona la
maleducazione) testa di c... o un gran figlio di p... insomma not that great!'
Francesca
'In Italiano "Sei un gran.." precede un'aggettivo e comunque non è lo stesso in
Inglese: e.g. "Sei una gran testa di c***o" tradurrebbe "You're a dickhead".'
Michele
Puoi vedere Isa che fara' niente a dire che ammetti niente, la prova e' qui!
Dunque, non verro' al tuo raduno perche' posso vedere che provi a approfittare
di gente che sta imparando la tua lingua italiana.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

disappeared)
He pronounces "minestrone" with the same ending as the English word "alone,"
albeit with an slight Italian accent. Incidently, your resident thief has good
taste. If you're really interested, a few lyrics follow.
I eat antipasto twice
Just because she is so nice, Angelina
Angelina, the waitress at the pizzeria.
I keep zuppa minestrone
just to be with her alone, Angelina
Angelina, the waitress at the pizzeria
ti voglio bene,
Angelina I adore you.
io voglio bene,
Angelina I live for you.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

not a musician.
Who's breath do you suppose sounded his trumpet? In fact, he was a superb jazz
musician. Perhaps, in this particular case, you should not speak further than
you know (written with a smile, I've done the same myself).
Ciao,
Ron
USA

on fire"
I doubt if he ever sang a song the same way twice.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

I wish you happy studies.
Thank you Bambi, I certainly appreciate your sentiments. Who is so richly
endowed that they would reject admiration? But I must say that I don't really
understand it. In this newsgroup we have many people who are intent on improving
their skills in a language other than their native tongue. I expect that you are
one of them, in your quiet way.
Best regards,
Ron
USA

Ron wrote:
(all that stuff in the previous message)
Okay, I've been thinking about my previous post in the context of some of our
past interactions and I lost my nerve.
Let me assure you that I am not the least bit upset by your post but was just
feigning outrage for the fun of the game. Now I'm concerned that you might
consider it serious.
So please, don't apologize, although in truth I deserve it.
Best regards,
Ron
USA

  (omissis)
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trans, but my collins says: "great man"!
Paolo is right, there has been a misunderstanding. I confirm what he says,
Isa didn't mean to offend you at all,
on the contrary, she said you're great !
Bye Asoka xx'82
<< However fast you may run, you will never overreach the ball >>

di gente che sta imparando la tua lingua italiana.
That's not _my_ meeting, for the record, and gee, too bad you can't make it,
because I so wanted to sit on your lap and have a picture taken. Surely
there are ways we can make you reconsider...?
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there are ways we can make you reconsider...?
If I am truly a rock, as you suggest, perhaps you wouldn't find my lap very
comfortable.
Buon appetito,
Ron
USA


No, "climb" is commonly used for stairs and things not involving any particular
effort (e.g. climbing onto a chair). It's means "salire" as well as
"arrampicarsi".
I forgot to say that although the verb "ascend" is rarely used, the noun
"ascent" is used in mountaineering.
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(Forse perche' la cucina inglese non e' delle migliori?)
Perché, non ti piacciono gli spaghetti in scatola?
Mary
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Perché, non ti piacciono gli spaghetti in scatola?
Well, you know, Heinz Spaghetti on toast is one of my favourite snacks
ever... and I miss Heinz baked beans so much it hurts. Sigh.
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 ever... and I miss Heinz baked beans so much it hurts. Sigh.
I never thought I'd see the day when an Italian said that.
Not to worry, though; you can get Heinz baked beans at Esselunga nowadays.
:-,)
I don't think you've ever told us where you live, but there's an English
grocery store in Milan where you can get all sorts of delicacies, like
Golden Syrup, HP Sauce, Bisto and jelly cubes.
I expect there's one in Rome too; I don't know about other cities.
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"arrampicarsi".
Well, if you climb up a tree, you need a certain effort (as far as I'm
concerned, at least ! :-))
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Dear Mary,
What mirth!
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I remain, as always, ecc
Bambi
dtb
Mary Cassidy wrote in message 
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I expect there's one in Rome too; I don't know about other cities.
Well I live near Pistoia where I only have the hugest Ipercoop but was able
to find French's mustard (I know it's American but, you know...) and
McVities' Digestives--- I'll scan the shelves longer and deeper next
shopping time.
Yummmmmmmm
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 Golden Syrup, HP Sauce, Bisto and jelly cubes.
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And I hadn't even started talking about gravy, custard, salad without dressing,
English coffee....
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English coffee....
Talking about maple syrup: I happen to have a bottle of the thing, coming
from Canada and flavoured with Grand Marnier. What am I supposed to do with
it?
Now, quiet.
Don't say THAT.
I'm talking cook stuff.
French toasts? Or what?
Thanks.
Peltio

 French toasts? Or what?
Not being American (or Canadian, rather) I'm no expert on maple syrup,
but I think you pour it over pancakes and waffles (you *do* have a
waffle iron, I suppose?).
The approximate British equivalent is Golden Syrup, a kind of pale
treacle that's used in desserts. We used to make toffee apples with it
when I was a child. Stick a whole apple on a skewer, smother it in
Golden Syrup, eat it like a lollipop, and let the vitamins fight it out
with the sugar.
I'm ashamed to say that an American friend gave me some of her prized
maple syrup longer ago than I care to remember, and it's still gathering
dust in a cupboard. I could never work out what to do with it either.
Mary
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Netscape wouldn't let me send a message with such a long "Referenze"
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French toasts? Or what?
Come to see me, dear.
Bring the maple syrup, I'll cook the French Toast (I make a superb one), and
then we'll get down to THAT.
*cheeky grin*
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 (you *do* have a waffle iron, I suppose?).
Jesus, who doesn't?
Peltio

line.
Sometimes it happens with Microsoft Explorer, too.
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you know (written with a smile, I've done the same myself).
I always speak further than I know, cause when you only speak about
stuff you know about, it gets to be so boring, don't you think?
and yes, you're right: he also played trumpet in his records, now I
remember. though I seem to recall a violent and not very elegant sound,
something about a missed Swing trumpet player and a talented member of
what we call a "banda di paese".
anyway, I woundn't really dare call him "a superb jazz musician",
especially when, thinking of superb trumpet players, names like Miles
Davis, Louis Armstrong, Clifford Brown, Chet Baker, Thad Jones, Freddie
Hubbard come to mind.
Luca
"Nulla inaridisce una mente quanto la ripugnanza
a concepire idee oscure. In questo grande 
dormitorio dell'universo, l'incubo e' la sola
forma di lucidita' "
(Emile Cioran)

Peltio darling forgive me,
But would that be as in:'what sane blue-skinned person currently
domiciled on planet earth, doesn't have one?' or as in 'Jesus, the Son
of God, (who doesn't reside on earth, so rumour has it) doesn't?'
--
I remain, as always, ecc
Bambi
dtb
Peltio <pel...@twilight.zone> wrote
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Hubbard come to mind.
Yes, you've listed some superb musicians, especially Miles Davis who is in a
class by himself. Miles Davis could put you in a sublime trance, but I'm not so
sure he could make you "shake your booty," even if he had tried. Perhaps you
don't rate Swing very high on your list of preferred music? Not the kind of
music that appeals to a lazy person, ehh?
Jump, jive, n' wail!!
Ciao,
Ron
USA

There are all kinds of Art, n'est pas?
Ron, that's _n'est-ce pas_?
French spelling is way trickier than English, I know.
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French spelling is way trickier than English, I know.
For me the language doesn't matter, my spelling ability is embarassing even in
English, nicht wahr?
Ciao,
Ron
USA

Ron ha scritto nel messaggio ...
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Vielleicht...
Oh you're a mean old daddy but I like you
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Oh you're a mean old daddy but I like you
Hmmmm. If you're going to apply a description to me from an old Joni Mitchell
song, I guess other lyrics must apply. I can assure you that were to say "you're
a rambler, you're a gambler, and a sweet-talkin' ladies man" you would only be
right on two counts.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

Ron ha scritto nel messaggio ...
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Oh when he's gone
me and them lonesome blues collide...
:-)
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Be careful what you say when you're walking home from the casino, then.
Mary
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English, nicht wahr?
Nicht wahr.
Heidi

Heidrun Aschacher ha scritto:
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Wahrissimo.
"Embarrassing" has two r's, even in American English.
(Sorry, Ron - couldn't resist it!)
Mary
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(Sorry, Ron - couldn't resist it!)
This morning my milk overflowed while steaming it for cappuccino and I burned my
muffin while toasting it. But then, I had the delightful pleasure of reading
this post to remind me of the accuracy of my statement about my own spelling.
Isn't it reassuring that life is so consistent.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

of God, (who doesn't reside on earth, so rumour has it) doesn't?'
I take it that this is a very gentle way for saying that my sentence was
grammatically incorrect. I sort of remember a very distant post regarding
the use of commas in English sentences...
Was that my mistake?
warmest regards,
Peltio

Ron ha scritto:
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You mean "non c'è due senza tre"?
Sorry about that...  ;-)
Mary
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Enjoy this joke...
SMARTER THAN YOU THINK
"There was a little boy named Johnny who used to
hang out at the local corner market. The owner didn't
know what Johnny's problem was, but the boys would
constantly tease him.
They would always comment that he was two bricks shy
of a load, or two pickles short of a barrel."
I haven't understood the meaning of this sentence. Can anyone... ?
But the story goes on...
"To prove it, sometimes they would offer Johnny his choice between
a nickel (5 cents) and a dime (10 cents) and John would
always take the nickel --
they said, because it was bigger.
One day after John grabbed the nickel, the store owner
took him aside and said "Johnny, those boys are making
fun of you. They think you don't know the dime is worth
more than the nickel.  Are you grabbing the nickel because
it's bigger, or what?"
Slowly, Johny turned toward the store owner and a big
grin appeared on his face and Johnny said,
"Well, if I took the dime, they'd stop doing it,
and so far I have saved $20!"
:-)):-)):-)):-))
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 I haven't understood the meaning of this sentence. Can anyone... ?
There are lots of variations on this saying "one (or two) x short of y",
which means roughly "scemo".
"Shy of" and "short of" in this case mean "less than".
Some others are:
A few days short of a year
A few sandwiches short of a picnic
He's a few syllables short of a Haiku
13 donuts short of a baker's dozen
One page short of a book
Some of us are born 3 scotches short of reality (Graham Greene)
and so on.
Mary
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and so on.
Thank you Mary, I have understood now... They associate a shortage of things
with a mental deficiency, ok...
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