Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Conversation Exchange

Following Adam's suggestions, I am doing some conversation exchanges with
English native speakers. We do both some talking, some in Italian some in
English, and some reading, correcting each other's pronunciation. I find
that pretty useful, and cheap as well ;)
I wonder if you have some more detailed hints about conversaton exchanges,
activities and exercises that can be done, and how to get the best of it.
Thank you!
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 Thank you!
unfortunately I can't help you out, I don't even have the opportunity to do
conversation exchanges over here...
-- 
Yeah, whatever...

 and how to get the best of it.
Well, you know... But then it depends... But you know, don't you?
Bye, FB
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 Bye, FB
It's usual for me to have some conversaton exchanges in Trastevere,Campo 
de Fiori,Piazza di Spagna ...etc...
Oh geez!! how silly of me!! where you live?
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activities and exercises that can be done, and how to get the best of it.
Correct each other's attempts to do the essay-type assignments in CPE
or CELI 5 / CILS 4. Help each other do crosswords: this doesn't mean
giving the other person the answers, but e.g. saying which ones ought to
be doable, and giving hints where necessary.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.

 Thank you!
Come hai trovato il compagno di tandem?
Grazie in anticipo,
Beneal

activities and exercises that can be done, and how to get the best of it.
Go to a supermarket or hardware shop and try to name as many items as
you can in each other's languages.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
) But what *IS* the internet? It's
the largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive symmetric
closure of the relationship "can be reached by an IP packet from".

English native speakers. 
I'm interested, how do you go on about doing this?

I'm interested, how do you go on about doing this?
In London, the obvious places to go are the Italian Bookshop, 7 Cecil
Court, or the Italian Institute of Culture ... um ... somewhere
between Victoria and Hyde Park tube stations. Belgrave Square? In both
cases, there's a notice board in the basement. There will probably
already be notices on it from people looking for conversation
exchange. If not, you can add your own.
Elsewhere in the UK, you might have to try language schools or
something. Or the local university - some foreign undergrad / postgrad
students look for conversation partners. e.g. my new Japanese
conversation partner.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
INCEST MORE COMMON THAN THOUGHT IN USA

 conversation exchanges over here...
You should try, Iit's definitely a good way of learning English and
getting to know English people!
Even when you talk and "teach" Italian to an English speaking person,
you become more conscious of similitaries and differences between the
two languages.

 Bye, FB
Hmmm... what kind of "practice" and "activities" are you thinking of?
;;;;;-) (that was a winking smile with a lot of winking)

 de Fiori,Piazza di Spagna ...etc...
Good point, you can have "conversation exchange" with any person you
meet!
Ususally, though, in "normal conversation", people don't correct your
mistakes all the time, neither examine your English usage and give
advice about better usage. I mean, they do somtimes, not all the
times.

 activities and exercises that can be done, and how to get the best of it.
You could try playing "paroliere"/"boggle" or "scarabeo"/"scrabble".
However, this tends to be very very disheartening for the non-native
player.
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 be doable, and giving hints where necessary.
Thank you Adam for your advice! I'll try both. Have you any hints for
improving pronunciation as well?
BTW, is CELI5 the same as CPE for Italian?

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Basta mettere o leggere annunci. Per esempio nelle librerie inglesi o
all'universita', dove ci sono gli studenti stranieri che vengono in
Italia con Erasmus. Vedi anche i vecchi messaggi di Adam su
conversation exchange.

 BTW, is CELI5 the same as CPE for Italian?
CELI (Perugia) comes in 5 levels and 5 is the highest.
CILS (Siena) comes in 4 levels and 4 is the highest. CILS
exams are supposedly equivalent to the highest 4
CELI exams. So, either CELI 5 or CILS 4 is supposedly
CPE standard.
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I'm in the east Midlands so I'd have to try the latter, Thanks. I've
realised the importance of speaking to a native speaker. I spoke to an
Italian girl a couple of weeks back when I was doing a job. She asked
me how we pronounce the "er" sounds in words, she said that in Italian
schools they are taught to pronounce the "er" sound.. I said; "Gli
americani dicono "er"".. she immediately pulled me up on my
pronunciation of "dicono" I stressed the first "o". Then I realised
that I've been pronouncing "essere" wrong, in this case I was
stressing the second "e", in fact I've been stressing all "ere" verbs
wrong. I need to speak to a native speaker to stop the rot early on.

 two languages.
I'd like to be aware of more differences, but I'd love to understand 100%
of any speech :)
p.s. similarities :)
-- 
Yeah, whatever...

 wrong. 
Ooh, Italians will love you :-)
Laurel and Hardy are dubbed into Italian with that pronunciation :-)
-- 
Mary

 Have you any hints for improving pronunciation as well?
You might ask your (conversation) partner if he/she would ever say "Have
you any hints?". I should think "Have you got any hints" is much commoner.
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Laurel and Hardy are dubbed into Italian with that pronunciation :)
Well, hopefully I'll be cured of that speech impediment when I do
visit Italy, I don't want to be the source of everyone's amusement. I
felt bad enough when FB said I sounded Chinese :)
Knowing what Laurel & Hardy sound like, I don't know how you can
listen to them dubbed.

 listen to them dubbed.
Everything's dubbed here; you rarely find a film with subtitles, except
on DVD.
-- 
Mary

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You don't find any at all, actually. If you don't have a dish, of course.
Bye, FB (who doesn't have a dish)
-- 
Conversation like television set on honeymoon: unnecessary.
(Murder by Death)

 did you buy newspapers containing announcements?
No Net, this time, neither magazines. Just adverts on notice boards,
little dirty slips of paper :-)

 You don't find any at all, actually.
Unless you live in Milan.
Max

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And there's not a lot even there.
-- 
Mary

Bye, FB (who doesn't have a dish)
Next time I'm in Italy I'll fit you one :))
Would you mind correcting my dodgy Italian please?

 And there's not a lot even there.
True. Just one new movie every week, shown in three theaters a day each.
They used to show movies in original version in a big theater near the 
Duomo, but they stopped.
Max

Bye, FB
Thanks again, and for your other corrective post.

 Just joking!
"Buonciorno, benfenudi all'esame de idalianò".
Ciao, FB
-- 
"Come, dear, we have already missed five, if not six, trains. To miss any
more might expose us to comment on the platform."
("The Importance of Being Earnest", Oscar Wilde)

 che la parola "popolo" č singola, questo č perché?
Mi puoi spiegare perché "popolo urla Massimo" non č "popolo urlano
Massimo"? Avrei pensato che, poiché/perché/giacché/etc. "people" č piů di
una persona, dovrebbe essere "urlano". Perň so che la parola "popolo" č
singolare. Č per questo?
Ciao, FB
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>: "popolo urla Massimo"
"Perché il (the)<==>popolo urla...", nothing new I think. (smiling face)
Bye, FB
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going to get up at ten and have two glasses of wine at lunch every single
day."
Richard: "Only prostitutes have two glasses of wine at lunch!"
(Gilmore Girls, 501)

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The first L&H movies were dubbed in the USA by 
italo-american speakers with a strong accent, which *added* 
a flavour to their humour.
Then Italian actors dubbed them keeping that funny 
accentation (one of them was the late Alberto Sordi)
Strange is that their voice changed: Laurel got a thin 
voice, Hardy got a bass voice.
 
-- 
Today no, tomorrow yes.

 verb is singular as well.
Popolo, flotta, gregge, ecc ...
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"Perché il (the)<==>popolo urla...", nothing new I think. (smiling face)
Ah no, questo č ciň che *ho scritto:
"Avrei pensato che perché "people" č piů di una persona"
In questo caso, il "il" non č necesario in inglese.
*scrivevo?? (the sentence should read: "this is what I wrote")