Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Re: Humour of roaring


It probably refers to the title of the play, "Amends for ladies. With
the merry prankes of Moll Cut-Purse: or, the humour of roaring: a
comedy full of honest mirth and wit. As it was acted at the
Blacke-Fryers, both by the Princes servants, and the Lady Elizabeths",
By Nathaniel Field.
The following excerpt from another play, "The Roaring Girl, or Moll
Cutpurse", by Dekker and Middleton, may help, at least in defining
"roaring".
"The title of the play derives from the riotous gallants of London,
known as "roaring boys," whose penchant for machismo quarreling was
parodied by Middleton and Rowley in A Fair Quarrel, and by Jonson in
The Alchemist. The title character is based upon Mary Frith, the real
Moll Cutpurse, whose notorious exploits tested the patience of proper
society and often brought her before the court. Accounts of these
exploits were variously recorded, and they include wearing men's
clothes, appearing on the stage, drinking, swearing, making "immodest
and lascivious speeches," prostitution, pick-pocketing, forgery, and
highway robbery. A full rap sheet indeed but as the prologue,
epilogue, and epistle to the reader clearly demonstrate, Dekker and
Middleton were sympathetic to her, and through Moll offer, if not an
apologia, at least some well-needed positive public relations. T. S.
Eliot observed that the character of Moll is the one exquisite jewel
in the crown of a rather mediocre play; without a doubt, she is
thoroughly engaging. The loose and episodic structure of the play, in
fact, allows Dekker and Middleton to showcase her various talents: she
sings, she fights, she rescues Jack Dapper from the clutches of the
law; she is just as comfortable with lords and gentlemen as with the
thieves whose cant she speaks and over whom she has some authority.
Moll's character is also amazingly well-rounded in the Forsterian
sense: Dekker and Middleton take her beyond a presentation of the mere
spectacle and her iconic status in the contemporary culture. We not
only learn the "facts" of her past, but we also hear her heart and
mind in many candid reactions to social prejudice and condemnation. It
is certainly the best comic female role in the Middleton canon, and
few comic female roles of the time are its equal."
http://www.tech.org/~cleary/roar.html#NOTES
Joe from Massachusetts

 Grazie, non potevo sperare in una spiegazione migliore!!!
Scusami Annalisa ma hai l'orologio del pc sballato, potresti correggerlo?
Ne va della leggibilità del ng....

 Ne va della leggibilità del ng....
O my gosh...qualcuno ha manomesso il mio pc....

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A likely story!  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 Cosa significa la frase in oggetto?
Just guessing... ma visto che non t'ha risposto nessuno, ci provo: dato 
che rip-roaring significa chiassoso,spassoso, probabilmente è 
quell'umorismo che ti fa sbellicare dalle risate.
Tabhall

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I don't think it could mean that - it's a very odd phrase . ( We'd say 
'side-splitting humour' for the above .)
Without context , it's really impossible to say . Is it perhaps late 
Elizabethan ?
Mike 

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Well, almost . It's early Jacobean (1711, to be precise) .
'Humour' here suggested to me the older sense of the word (something like a 
particular temperament/ dominant cast of mind/ predisposition to a 
characteristic type of behaviour) , derived from Greek medical science and 
used in English from the Middle Ages onwards ; in this sense the plays of 
Jacobean playwright Ben Jonson are often referred to as 'comedy of humours' 
.
'Roaring' suggested to me the 'roaring boys' of the Elizabethan/Jacobean 
period (the term has continued in use since) , and particularly reminded me 
of a play by Dekker and Middleton called 'The Roaring Girl , or Moll 
Cutpurse' . 'Roaring' is roughly equivalent to our 'hell-raising' , and Moll 
(Mary Frith) , a cross-dressing pickpocket become broker of stolen goods and 
later highwaywoman , and at one point mistress of a 'temple of both Priapus 
and Venus' , was as famous in the London of the time as any badly-behaved 
pop-star now .
So I thought I'd just have a look at 'The Roaring Girl' - and found a 
reference to another play in which Moll appeared (she was still in her early 
twenties at the time !) - and this was Nathan Field's 'Amends for Ladies' 
(1711) : the full title , as later published , was :-
'Amends for Ladiers . With the merry prankes of Moll Cut-Purse : or , *the 
humour of roaring* : a comedy full of honest mirth and wit .' (my asterisks)
Nathan Field , by the way , was an actor (he performed in both Jonson's and 
Shakespeare's plays) . 'Amends for Ladies' I've never read ; it is 
extraordinarily little-known (or was ; I suspect feminist influences on the 
university study of literature may have led to its exhumation in some 
university departments , especially in America .)
Mike

 >> Just guessing... ma visto che non t'ha risposto nessuno,
Non hai visto la mia risposta del 9 dicembre, e il ringraziamento di
Annalisa?
Joe from Massachusetts

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Well , I didn't ; I'm not sure I saw the original message .
I had a spell when I didn't get to read the newsgroup , and recently my OE 
crashed , so I've no messages before 4th Jan. and don't know how to access 
any before that , so unfortunately I can't read what you said ; but I assume 
my comments were superfluous (faccina sconfortata) .
Mike 


Ditto !
Mike 


I thought it might have something to do with the fact that Annalisa's
clock was a month off. (Y2K revisited?)    :>)
Occasionally my ISP has a problem with mail and/or newsgroups. When it
becomes obvious that there have been no posts for an inordinate amount
of time, or if I feel I must have missed something in a chain of
posts, whether it be a joke or an informative explanation, I go to one
of the places on the Internet where I can access the group, to check
whether or not I have missed something. Since I don't store more than
one or 2 months of posts on my computer, this site is also useful for
reviewing past posts, or searching for previously discussed subjects
or people of interest.
http://arianna.libero.it/usenet/cgi-bin/ViewArticle.epl?MESSAGE_ID=%3Cxukmf%2E1516$xg%2E757%40nntpserver%2Eswip%2Enet%3E&TABLES=RECENT_MSG&t=1137428207&QTERMS=humour&GRUPPO=it%2Ecultura%2Elinguistica%2Einglese
The shorter link is:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N28F2397C
Joe from Massachusetts

 Annalisa?
No, evidentemente, altrimenti non avrei risposto, sapendo tra l'altro 
benissimo che ne sai più di me :-)
Mi ero incuriosita perchè ricordavo "rip-roaring comedy".
Per qualche arcana ragione il msg di Annalisa è ancora lì solitario, con 
la sola aggiunta della mia risposta e del thread che ne è seguito.
Saluti
Tabhall

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Ah , thanks !  This looks like something beyond my very meagre computer 
skills , tho'.
Mike 


All you have to do is click on the bloomin' link.  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

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Deve essere colpa di quel maledetto orologio del pc di Annalisa!
Ma puoi vedere tutto qui:
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My skills aren't that meagre ! I meant creating such a link to access past 
messages in general .
Mike 

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Maybe you're not familiar with "Make a shorter link"?
http://makeashorterlink.com/index.php
This web site allows you to replace cumbersome links with short links
which can be sent via e-mail.
If you google "it.cultura.linguistica.inglese", then scroll down on
the results to "Libero ricerca gruppi", then click on that link, you
will arrive at a web site whose url is
"
http://arianna.libero.it/usenet/cgi-bin/BrowseNews.epl?GRUPPO=it.cult
ura.linguistica.inglese&CATEG_PARAM=Gerarchia%20it" (this ng).
If you copy this link from the address bar in your browser, then go to
the above-mentioned "make a shorter link" web site, and paste the link
into the box provided, a shorter, more manageable link is created,
which will still lead you to this ng on the web.
"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V18222C7C
." This shorter link is much
easier to paste into email, since it occupies less than one line of
text.
If, after you go to this "it.cultura.linguistica.inglese" home page,
and do a search for "humour", then click on '"humour of roaring" in
the results, you will be redirected to a much more convoluted url:
"
http://arianna.libero.it/usenet/cgi-bin/ViewArticle.epl?MESSAGE_ID=%3
Cxukmf%2E1516$xg%2E757%40nntpserver%2Eswip%2Enet%3E&TABLES=RECENT_MSG&
t=1137543608&QTERMS=humour&CATEG_PARAM=Gerarchia%20it&GRUPPO=it%2Ecult
ura%2Elinguistica%2Einglese"
If you copy this url from the address bar in your browser, and then go
to the "make a shorter link" web site and paste it into the box
provided, a much shorter, more manageable link is created:
"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P5F215C7C
", which is easily copied into
e-mail.
I learned about "make a shorter link" from Mary, and I have always
relied on her advice, ever since I learned that she attended one of
the finest schools in the UK.
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzdmcana/StTrinians/
Joe from Massachusetts

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Thanks very much ! That's exactly the kind of clear , step-by-step 
explanation I need .
Mike