Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Forma negativa di have

Ciao a tutti!
Sulla mia grammatica è spiegato come costruire la forma negativa o
interrogativa di to have.
Per l'interrogativa c'è scritto
Have you (got)? oppure Do you have?
mentre per la negativa
I haven't got oppure I don't have
Questo significa che per la negativa il got è indispensabile?
Qualcuno mi chiarisce un po' le idee per favore?
Grazie in anticipo,
Beneal

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 Questo significa che per la negativa il got è indispensabile?
Per non saper né leggere né scrivere, usalo. Ci sono frasi in cui "I
haven't" va bene ("I haven't a clue" è la più famosa), ma in genere non si
usa o si usa in un registro formale. In inglese britannico, mi è stato
spiegato che le forme con "got" sono informali; quelle formate con "do"
risultano più formali, mentre in americano credo siano semplicemente
neutre.
Ciao, FB
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 neutre.
I think Mike Brewer could be of assistance here. I pay much attention on
such things, and he once wrote "I haven't time to..." [1] and "I haven't
the energy to...". I'd be very interested to hear/read how he uses "have"
("I haven't the energy") got- ("Have you got time?") and do-forms ("I don't
have it") of "have" in the affirmative, in the negative and in the
interrogative, though I have a rather precise account of the matter, thanks
to a.u.e (
http://snipurl.com/bj9f
).
[1]
QUOTE (
http://snipurl.com/bj97
)
*Haven't time* to think about this any more ; I may come back to it if
someone hasn't given a better explanation in the meantime .
UNQUOTE
[2]
QUOTE (
http://snipurl.com/bj99
)
So I wondered if he's maybe a great deal better known in the USA (or maybe
by Americans with Italian connections ?) , and in Italy . If so , though 
*I certainly haven't the energy* to embark on his oeuvre , if there were
one book you could particularly recommend , I'd give it a go .
UNQUOTE
Bye, FB
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person, knowing that I would recognize your voice, would say "It's me". If
you said "It is I", I would not be nearly so inclined to let you in.
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http://snipurl.com/bhtu
)

 such things
"to such things".
Bye, FB
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Emily: "I'm going to Europe and I'm going to have a marvellous time. I'm
going to get up at ten and have two glasses of wine at lunch every single
day."
Richard: "Only prostitutes have two glasses of wine at lunch!"
(Gilmore Girls, 501)

 Beneal
Ciao,
Roger

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This is another of those things the native speaker never really thinks about 
, and (as a glance at the thread you link to confirms) it's rather tricky to 
formulate precise rules or guidelines ; and I don't have time at this moment 
to attempt to do it properly , tho' I'll try to say a bit more later .
Briefly , I'd say that 'got' is far from necessary in the negative , tho' it 
is no doubt more common . It's no doubt true that people of my generation 
use it less because it was less heard  when we were young , and we've not 
felt any need to introduce it where it is so often altogether superfluous . 
What you say abou formal and informal use is generally true , as long as 
'formal' isn't taken to mean simply 'in formal situations' , but rather 
corresponding to 'in educated usage'  : I know that the way I speak changes 
unconsciously according to the company I'm in - both the accent (as I've 
said on here before) , and the range and choice of vocabulary , as well as 
syntax ; in one group , I might say , 'I have three brothers' and in another 
'I've got three brothers' - but the first wouldn't be more formal in the 
sense that I'm less intimate with the people I'm speaking to , tho' they are 
likely to be more 'educated' . I might use 'I've got three brothers' in that 
group , too ; I'd be unlikely to use 'I have three brothers' in the less 
'educated' group . It all needs more thought , though...
I don't think I'd be using many 'gots' if I were talking to you , FB ; the 
poshness of my accent would certainly be put to the test !
Mike

 the poshness of my accent would certainly be put to the test !
One tries not to appear posh, but what can one do? One simply can't help
it.
Bye, FB
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to carve his niche in the edifice of time.
Before the mortar of his zeal
has a chance to congeal
the cup is dashed from his lips,
the flame is snuffed aborning.