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Titolo: The blower's daughter

Ciao a tutti,
non riesco a capire il significato di queste espressioni:
The blower's daughter
The pupil in denial
sono parole della canzone "The blower's daughter" di Damien Rice.
Mi potete aiutare?
Grazie
Mauro
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 The blower's daughter
Re: meaning of "The blower's daughter"
I found this out on Damien Rice's website. The song is about his obsession
with the daughter of a clarinet teacher! So the 'blower' in this context
means 'one who blows a clarinet'! Of course, if he'd used the correct
English it would have been called 'The clarinet teachers daughter' but
maybe he thought that would have been too obvious.
[snipped from
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=20444&goto=nextoldest
)
cosa c'entri e cosa sia un pupil in denial, non so ... :)
ciao
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sono parole della canzone "The blower's daughter" di Damien Rice.
Il primo significato di "blower", sul Ragazzini, è soffiatore (di
vetro). Dunque, "la figlia del soffiatore"? (I dizionari spesso
aiutano, eh :-))
La seconda espressione richiederebbe un po' di contesto (che so, i
versi precedenti e seguenti). "Denial" significa diniego, smentita,
rinnegazione ecc.; ma credo che in questo caso sia usato
nell'accezione psicologica "to be in denial", cioè negare a se stessi
e agli altri che si prova un determinato sentimento o stato d'animo o
che sta accadendo qualcosa (solitamente, di dannoso per il soggetto).
Forse si potrebbe tentare una traduzione tipo "Lo scolaro/l'allievo
che ha rimosso", anche se sarebbe tecnicamente eccepibile. Sempre che
non mi sbagli, e non voglia dire tutt'un'altra cosa.
Ciao,
-- 
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching
http://web.tiscali.it/alfabeto_auschwitz/index.htm

means 'one who blows a clarinet'! 
Come non detto! Forse sarà utile l'altro pezzo di messaggio, però.
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"Isabella Z"
Oh my!

 aiutano, eh :-))
Riporto tutto il testo in fondo, cosi vedi che il contesto non aiuta molto
nella comprensione...
Ho chiesto perché non riuscivo a capire il significato del
dizionario.(cosa vuol dire "la figlia del soffiatore" ? non è immediato
associare al soffiatore un'ossesione per la figlia di un musicista...) 
Ciao Mauro
And so it is
Just like you said it would be
Life goes easy on me
Most of the time
And so it is
The shorter story
No love, no glory
No hero in her sky
I can't take my eyes off of you
I can't take my eyes off you
I can't take my eyes off of you
I can't take my eyes off you
I can't take my eyes off you
I can't take my eyes...
And so it is
Just like you said it should be
We'll both forget the breeze
Most of the time
And so it is
The colder water
The blower's daughter
The pupil in denial
I can't take my eyes off of you
I can't take my eyes off you
I can't take my eyes off of you
I can't take my eyes off you
I can't take my eyes off you
I can't take my eyes...
Did I say that I loathe you?
Did I say that I want to
Leave it all behind?
I can't take my mind off of you
I can't take my mind off you
I can't take my mind off of you
I can't take my mind off you
I can't take my mind off you
I can't take my mind...
My mind...my mind...
'Til I find somebody new
-- 
there are 10 kinds of people: those that understand binary and those that
don't
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 e agli altri che si prova un determinato sentimento o stato d'animo
In genere significa "omosessuale represso". C'e' anche la battuta che si fa
a chi mostra vaghe tendenze omosessuali: "denial is not just a river in
Egypt", dal momento che "denial" si pronuncia come "the Nile".
antonio

 In genere significa "omosessuale represso". 
No, scusa antonio, non c'entra niente.
Significa chiunque nega/reprime/rimuove qualcosa; infatti non l'ho mai
sentito usare per gli omosessuali.
Più comunemente si usa per gli alcolizzati, o in certe disturbi
psichiatriche.
-- 
Mary

 denial (or "in the Nile")?
Not necessarily: "in denial" usually means you don't even admit it to
yourself.
-- 
Mary

 sentito usare per gli omosessuali.
That's strange. What about a gay who refuses to come out, would he not be in
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 maybe he thought that would have been too obvious.
If he'd used the correct English (UK) it wouldn't be  'blower' at all ; 
'blow' may be used of brass instruments , but I've never heard it used of 
woodwind . Perhaps it's an American usage . Since the sense of most pop 
songs is inaccessible to most native speakers (and it's not their fault) , I 
wouldn't worry about it .
Mike 

Oh my!
Am I in such bad shape?!
Lurve,
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I should think that that may be the case for a number of homosexual
men and women, at least in the first stages of confronting one's own
sexuality (a tricky time for everybody). But this is getting way OT.
I've heard the expression used in such contexts (jokingly and not),
but I do agree with Mary that it doesn't "mean" that and nothing else,
and that it usually refers to behaviours that border on the
pathological (or worse).
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dizionario. (Cosa vuol dire "la figlia del soffiatore"?)
Non ho mica detto che hai fatto male; anzi ci avevo messo un punto di
domanda. E per l'appunto i dizionari a volte aiutano, e a volte no.
Leggendo il testo mi pare che l'idea dell'ossessione sia abbastanza
chiara; meno chiari, com'è ovvio, i riferimenti personali, rielaborati
"poeticamente".
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> but I do agree with Mary that it doesn't "mean" that and nothing else,
Of course it doesn't. When there is no context however, the first thing I
would check is whether it means that. But on second thoughts, I may guess
that in this instance "the pupil in denial" is perhaps denying that he is in
love with the blower's daughter, since the song is about love and loathing
for this girl.

Am I in such bad shape?!
I wish I were able to answer this question. : )
cheers,
Peltio
Your Humble Servant, of course.

I wish I were able to answer this question. : )
Ever the gallant one! 
Thanks, dah-link :-)
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 Ever the gallant one! 
Ever?
[...]
Bye, FB
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"Interesting and appalling. The others just sound appalling!"
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