Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: salami bologna applesauce

Chi ha visto Zohan sa di cosa parlo.
 
In sintesi un bianco upperclass chiama "Mustafa" uno che parla con 
pesante accento mediorientale.
Lui gli risponde "Why do you call me Mustafa?"
E quindi il primo dice "Whatever. Salami, bologna, applesauce"
 
 
Io l'ho interpretata come "sì vabbè non cambia niente magari non sei 
arabo però sempre di quei pizzi sei...magari se turco, o italiano, o 
israeliano...non cambia niente".
 
 
però volevo sapere se c'è un'interpretazione per ciò che dice. In realtà 
sta elencando cibi italiani (anche se non so nulla del succo di 
mela...)...forse l'italiano era il prototipo di uomo mediterraneo 
immigrato in america?
 
 
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 >Giovanni

Anyone? Anyone?
(cit.)
 
-- 
 >Giovanni

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Haven't seen the movie, but from here it looks like gibberish.
 
A play on words (salami = salaam) leads to another deli meat, which is 
probably "baloney" (not bologna) meaning foolish talk, nonsense; and ending 
with "applesauce," another term for nonsense.
 
The whole exchange might have been brought on by a misunderstanding of 
"mustafa", having been mistaken for some foodstuff or other.
 
-- 
Joey from New York
Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator,
but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
   -- WH Auden
 

 with "applesauce," another term for nonsense.
 
"applesauce" is a term for nonsense? I have never knowingly heard that.

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It's probably an Americanism. Not very common and maybe dated, but as I'm 
old, I was familiar with it. From the OAD:
 
applesauce
noun
1 a purée of stewed apples, typically sweetened.
2 informal: nonsense. Equal Opportunity for All Elmer says that's all 
applesauce.
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 "mustafa", having been mistaken for some foodstuff or other.
 
I think instead that it's a generic offense towards minorities...
 
 
-- 
 >Giovanni

 applesauce.
 
what is AllElmer?
 
 
-- 
 >Giovanni

 what is AllElmer?
 
sob
 
 

 sob
 
vabbè avrei potuto cercarlo ma sul momento mi sono messo a 
chiedere...pure tu non facevi prima a rispondere? dopotutto non capita 
tutti i giorni che uno abbia la possibilità di dare sfoggio della 
propria cultura :-))))))
 
 
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 >Giovanni

 propria cultura :-))))))
 
sob sob :-((((
 

 what is AllElmer?
 
(Stop sobbing, Squash.)
 
" 'Equal Opportunity for All.'  Elmer says that's all applesauce. "
 
-- 
Joey from New York
Among those whom I like or admire, I can findï¿œno common denominator,
but among thoseï¿œwhom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
ï¿œ ï¿œ-- WH Auden
 

 I think instead that it's a generic offense towards minorities...
 
Yes, of course. That's the whole point. So why 'instead'?
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 which usually refers to foolishness. 
 
As it is a transcript from a movie, it might just be a case of mistaken transcription: "bologna" instead of "baloney".
 

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That's what I was thinking.
 
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Joey from New York
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 " 'Equal Opportunity for All.'  Elmer says that's all applesauce. "
 
The importance of punctuation. Giovanni, if it's of any consolation it
got me as well, at first.
 
-- 
I'll be reading you,
 
Capitalisation is the difference between helping
your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse

 " 'Equal Opportunity for All.'  Elmer says that's all applesauce."
 
Who's Elmer?
 
 
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 >Giovanni

 
 
Elmer is Elmer. Fred is Fred. Josiah is Josiah. Mike is Mike. Ted is Ted.
 
I.e., he's no one in particular.
 
-- 
Joey from New York
Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator,
but among those whom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
   -- WH Auden
 

 I.e., he's no one in particular.
 
 
Don't you say Tom, Dick or Harry anymore? 
 
 
-- 
"I wanted to invent an engine that could run for ever. I could
have developed a new train, had I stayed in the railway. It
would have looked like the AK-47 though."
                -- Mikhail Kalashnikov 
 

 I.e., he's no one in particular.
 
I think Giovanni was pulling our leg. I hope he was.
 

 Don't you say Tom, Dick or Harry anymore? 
 
Sure: Elmer is any Tom, Dick or Harry.
(Not to be confused with Shadrach, Meshach or Abednego.)
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Shouldn't that be "our legs"? I don't believe we possess a communal leg. :)
 
At any rate, I'm willing to consider *my* leg pulled. I'm just too trusting.
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 :)
 
In Italian we would! :) 
 

 
 
I thought of that afterward. Still, it's good to point out the difference(s). 
:P
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 I think Giovanni was pulling our leg. I hope he was.
 
No. I actually thought it was something related to Sesame street or 
something.
 
 
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 >Giovanni

 :P
 
Why "still"? That was exactly my point too. :)
 
P.s.
Sometimes in English you say, for instance, "We wear a hat so and so", but 
in that particular case I guess you mean a *type*.
 
"Up home we wear a hat like that to shoot deer in, for Chrissake, he said. 
That's a deer shooting hat."
J.D. Salinger
 

 
 
Do I dare correct Salinger? (Or was it you?) "deer-shooting" should be 
hyphenated. What it means without the hyphen is "a deer that is shooting a 
hat."
 
Never shot a deer. Never will. Not a lot of them in Manhattan...
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 Shouldn't that be "a hat that is shooting a deer"?
 
Oops. Yes, you're right. And now the whole phrase has begun to sound absurd. 
Even "deer-shooting hat" sounds like a hat that is shooting a deer.
 
I should have known better than to correct JD Salinger. :(
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 Never shot a deer. Never will. Not a lot of them in Manhattan...
 
Yep!
 
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-- Just my 2 cents