Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: American english - italiano dictionary?

<rant>
I'm ticked. I just bought a new Italian-English dictionary, seemingly
the best I could find here in a smaller size. Well of course it's @#$%
British English, and I have trouble finding some terms that seem so
obvious. 
I was working a puzzle in the Settimana Enigmistica, and I needed to
find the word for the brim of a hat. Looking in my OXFORD English -
Paravia dic. , there was only "brim" as filled to the brim (an
extreme), and the verb "brimming" (over). The word I was looking for
was "tesa" , I just found it on an internet site (Garzanti).
</rant>
Do any of you know of a GOOD American English/Italian dic.? I really
don't want to buy another right now, but after I wear this one out
(I've gone through 2 in 4-1/2 years) I would like one that meets my
needs. 
What do Brits call the brim of a hat?

 What do Brits call the brim of a hat?
"Brim of a hat"? Sorry, I think it's just the same as in AmEng.
Bye, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

 What do Brits call the brim of a hat?
Brim.
It sounds as though you didn't buy a very good dictionary - which one is
it?
-- 
Mary

 What do Brits call the brim of a hat?
QUOTE
brim
...
2 the projecting edge of a hat
...
UNQUOTE
Fonte: The Concise Oxford Ditionary, 1995
-- 
Xakaero
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteeen." _
Albert Einstein

it?
I don't have in front of me right now, but it is the "Oxford
University Press/Paravia " dictionary. It semed to be the best choice
when I bought it at Feltrinelli in Milano.  It isn't the large format,
probably 21x14 cm , or 8-1/2x5-1/2 inches, printed on fine paper (sort
of like a bible). Before buying it, I checked for a few American
English terms that I could think of, and it listed them just fine. It
seemed to be the best dictionary in that size. 
I couldn't find it online at Feltrinelli, but here's a link to amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0828891222/qid=1099672186/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-8707779-4503346?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Woo, long link... If it doesn't work search for Oxford Paravia
Maybe the case I stated was just an omission, but I'd still like to
find and American Engish/Italian dictionary.

 Do any of you know of a GOOD American English/Italian dic.?
Non credo esista. Danno tutti la precedenza al British English. I dizionari
più grossi, come il Picchi, indicano anche i significati Americani, ma non
indicano quando i significati sono *solo* inglesi, e quindi senza alcun
senso - o con senso diverso - negli USA. Almeno non per tutti i lemmi dove
questo capita.
Sebastiano

 questo capita.
Dimenticavo una cosa. Il mio consiglio è di comprarsi un dizionario
*grosso*, tipo il Picchi *con* cd. Quando si trova un termine e non si
hanno indicazioni sull'uso dello stesso, basta poi cercarlo su
www.onelook.com
 e concentrarsi sulle definizioni dei dizionari americani,
come il Webster o 
dictionary.com
 (se non erro American heritage).
Per alcuni termini si scopre quindi quel "chiefly British" che fa capire la
cosa. O addirittura si vede che il termine appare *solo* nei dizionari UK.
Oppure che non ha, nei dizionari US, il significato che avevamo trovato nel
dizionario bilingue.
Sebastiano

 find and American Engish/Italian dictionary.
Capisco bene. Ho fatto "la prova del colore" nel mio dizionario, menzionato
in un altro messaggio, e ho trovato
QUOTE
color, e deriv. (amer.) V. colour, e deriv.
UNQUOTE
Fonte: Dizionario Garzanti Inglese, italiano-inglese inglese-italiano,1982
Deve essere frustrante per coloro chi sono abituati all'inglese americano.
Per altri termini americani, che non si distinguono solamentae per la loro
ortografia, il dizionario spesso dà delle traduzioni diversi, per esempio,
parlando di un automobile:
AmEng: trunk --> baule
BritEng: boot --> (aut.) portabagagli
AmEng: hood --> (aut.) capotta
BritEng: bonnet --> (aut.) cofano
-- 
Xakero
"Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own
reputation, for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company" _ George
Washington

 needs.
Webster's New World Italian/English English/Italian is a good, concise and 
portable paperback dictionary and should cost less than $15 American. 

find and American Engish/Italian dictionary.
My Collins one (
www.collins.co.uk
) does both, It lists words like
sidewalk, diaper & freeway. It also listed brim of a hat, which is
tesa, falda.


Hi Tony,
I already wore two of those out, one bought in the US, and another
that was republished by La Repubblica.  I still have one around, even
though it was soaked with NOCINO (!) (don't ask! - smells good though)
and it lists the brim of a hat as "tesa, falda".  Even though it is
published in the USA, it seems slanted toward British usage. 
I guess it was just an anomaly with my other dictionary, for that
specific word,  but I've found other problems with British English
while working out my puzzles in the Settimana Enigmistica.
Oh well, there's a new one (SE) out today, byeee

 published in the USA, it seems slanted toward British usage.
I've found that it does a respectable job for its size of indicating both, 
although it's very similar to Harper Collins which I believe is published in 
GB. 

 Do any of you know of a GOOD American English/Italian dic.?
I would say "does any of you know etc." and so I'd rather start from a good
grammar book :)
dicaduca

 portable paperback dictionary and should cost less than $15 American.
I haven't thought about that one! I might as well buy it.
Sebastiano

dicaduca ha scritto:

Actually "do any of you" is more common here: the subject is "any" and can
be taken as singular or plural. In this context the plural is implied, so a
plural verb sounds more natural.
If you were using "any" in a singular sense, then a singular verb would be
called for:
"Does any book appeal to you?"
"Do any books appeal to you?" 
"Do any of the books appeal to you?"
"Does any one of the books appeal to you?"
-- 
This is my opinion of modern, colloquial, American English. 
If you feel the need to e-mail me, un-not my address first.

 good grammar book :)
Sì, pure, compralo, perché non si dice 'does any of you know' ma invece 'do
any of you know' o 'does anyone know'.

 "Does any one of the books appeal to you?"
It occurs to me that "one" can be left out of the above, which might add to
the confusion. 
If you're implying, for example, one book:
(I've just told you I'll buy you a book.)
I can ask: "Does any of these books appeal to you?"
In the case where I am looking for one volunteer to do something.
"Does any of you have any interest in helping out?"
Again, in the OP's original statement, because the plural is implied, the
plural verb sounds better.
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<rant>
Well, I guess it was just an error on that particular word in the
English section. On the Italian side, it lists "tesa" as the brim of a
hat, but that didn't help much with my original problem. I will write
them a letter. It's a nice dic. and this is the first time it's let me
down.  I also have a Zingarelli minore (Italian only) which is very
nice since it has picures of categories of things like animals, plants
and many others ... 
Thanks for all the replies, and for your gratification, I've scanned
the original puzzle - it's pretty easy.
http://www.graffi.to/images/puzzle.gif
While I was scanning, I included a rebus for the enjoyment of those
who don't live in Italy, and can't get the Settiman Enigmistica. It's
also pretty easy. 
http://www.graffi.to/images/rebus.gif
The numbers at the top indicate the length of the words in the phrase.
They also have a web site with many puzzles, but most of them are java
applets, and don't work very well with my primary browser (Opera). It
will probably work well with IE. 
http://www.aenigmatica.it/
My Italian father-in-law turned me on to the S.E. - and now I buy it
every week. I've learned a LOT of words in this way. It's a lot of
entertainment for €1,10.  He's a walking encyclopedia at 81 years old.
I bought him a game called "Scarabeo" (Italian version of Scrabble)
and he loved it -  we play every time I visit him. I can beat him half
of the time, but it's 90% luck. 
Are there any other fans of the Settimana Enigmistica or Scarabeo out
there?

 there?
I don't like "Settimana Enigmistica" 'cause I am *no good* at those games.
:D
But I do love Scarabeo. And I want to buy Scrabble.
Sebastiano

 there?
I love 'rebus' and 'crittografie mnemoniche'. Unfortunately I don't have
enough time for those things anymore. I was also a Scrabble addicted. :)
For those interested, there is a freeware Scrabble to play with/against the
computer or friends:
http://www.lionking.org/~timwi/progs.htm
There are some language packs, not the Italian one though.
-- 
Maria Luisa C - 06/11/2004 17.04.40

 there?
I love 'rebus' and 'crittografie mnemoniche'. Unfortunately I don't have


 there?
I also learned a lot of my Italian from the SE, and I still do it on
train journeys.
-- 
Mary

 "Does any of you have any interest in helping out?"
sorry if I am doing confusion but I still can't see the difference with the
former phrase
"Do any of you know of a GOOD American English/Italian dic.? "
also here the writer implies  that one of us might know
 of a good dictionary  and so the case appears singular to me
truly
       dicaduca

dicaduca ha scritto:

Ok, if that was your intention then I believe the way you said it is okay;
however, I'd infer you were looking for more than one person to suggest a
good dictionary (I don't know of one, either, by the way) which is why the
plural verb sounds better to my ears.
You don't need to apologize for "being confused" (not "doing confusion")
because the reason we're here is to help dispel confusion.


Mary Cassidy <ma...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:<418D53B4...@invalid.invalid>...

Ho provato qualche volta le crosswords inglesi, quelle normali basate
su sinonimi e definizioni mi sembrano utili, quelle "cryptic" per me
sono arabo! =)

 sono arabo! =)
Not for me. For me, they're GREEK! 


 Not for me. For me, they're GREEK!
Infatti la frase "it's all Greek to me" in My Big Fat Greek Wedding, nel
doppiaggio italiano perde il gioco, dato che diventa arabo.
Sebastiano

Sebapop ha scritto:

That's one of the difficulties of translating colloquialisms. It takes a
real talent to make them work.


 Scarabeo out there?
Sometimes I waste my time solving "Incroci obbligati".
-- 
Today no, tomorrow yes.

sono arabo! =)
Quelle cryptic sono arabo anche per me. Due dei miei amici a Cambridge
faevano ogni volta la crossword della rivista "The Listener",
ufficialmente la piu' difficile. Anche quando mi spiegavano perche' le
risposte sarebbero le risposte, non capivo.
Ci sono libri su come fare le cryptic crosswords. Comprane uno.
Esempio banale:
American city nurses its lot in sad reflection (6).
"sad", riflesso, da' "das". un altro modo per dire "its lot" e' "all".
E "nurses" vuol dire che "all" e' contenuto in "das". Quindi, abbiamo
"DALLAS", una citta' americana.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
WWJD? JWRTFM

risposte sarebbero le risposte, non capivo.
Meglio "sarebbero state", mi sa.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
Anvedi oh che roba!

 "DALLAS", una citta' americana.
I think I'll keep wasting my time in my way.
Bye, FB
-- 
Conversation like television set on honeymoon: unnecessary.
(Murder by Death)