Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Re: en español

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No hay mucha gente aquí quien hable español, amigo. Lo siento.
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The foregoing is my opinion, and my opinion alone. It is intended to
demonstrate modern American English -- colloquial and spoken, (but well
spoken) for the most part; not literary American English. Ergo, caveat
lector. (No, not you, Hannibal)
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Once I had the good fortune to spend a few weeks in Spain. My first
stop was Barcelona, where I stayed in a little pension. As I was going
out the door on the first evening to wander around the city, I was
asked if I intended to stay out late. I replied that I was, so I was
given a key to the front door.
At about  two o'clock in the morning, I returned to the pension, but
to my chagrin, found that the large outer door was closed and locked.
My little key was for the standard lock on the inner door, now
inaccessible. I had no idea what to do. Just then I heard a man
whistling, and when I looked up, I saw a man and a woman standing in
front of a door very similar to mine. Approaching them was another
man, some kind of a guard or custodian, with a huge key ring, full of
very large keys. The custodian selected one of his keys and opened the
door, and let the man and woman enter. Then I saw the light. I
whistled, and the man approached, selected the right key, and opened
the outer door to my pension. I was then able to open the inner door
with my little key.
Does anyone know what these custodians or door-keepers in Spain are
called, and do they still exist?
Joe from Massachusetts

 No hay mucha gente aquí quien hable español, amigo. Lo siento.
Anche nosotros italienos que non habemos estudiad espagnol intendemos a
orecio mui bien quasi todo quel che escrivon.
Ce vien mui bien  tambien la intonation. Desafortunadamente non es lo mismos
con la lengua englesa :(
:)

called, and do they still exist?
aterrador hombre? ;)
el guardián de los llaves?
El Coco?
el hombre que espera los silbidos?
El gigante misterioso que echó la llave?
No, I have no idea. And my Spanish is crap, so don't bother looking
for mistakes. :)
Sebastiano

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I know these guys were called by a specific name, I just can't
remember what it was - "something-ador".
Evidently these guys were very useful in the days of Franco. They
would keep track of what people did at night, and report back to the
boss.
If they had had them in Verona, old Romeo would never have gotten
close to Giulietta, and there would be no reason to visit fair Verona.
:>)
Joe from Massachusetts

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When I said "fair Verona", I was not expressing my opinion about the
city, but merely recalling what the Bard said, however misguided he
may have been: "In fair Verona, where we lay our scene....".  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 remember what it was - "something-ador".
Hai detto niente! In inglese sarebbe "something-er/or".
Ciao, FB
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del tuo pianerottolo.
(Lucangel su it.cultura.libri)


You're right. One thing I regret not having seen was a mataror or a
picaror or a torearor.  :>)
Bullfighting was recently banned in the city of Barcelona.
Joe from Massacusetts

 Bullfighting was recently banned in the city of Barcelona.
Not too bad, as far as I'm concerned.
Bye, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

 Bye, FB
But they just ran the bulls in Pamplona; no one was injured, I think.
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But they just ran the bulls in Pamplona; no one was injured, I think.
But there were lots of naked people. :)
Sebastiano

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Sí, sentadas en cuero! :)
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Sí, sentadas en cuero! :)
In effetti. :)
Sebastiano

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Worse than that, there was a clothed Dennis Rodman.
Joe from Massachusetts

>>Cuando yo llegué, vos alquilabas un piso en Madrid y no te daban la
llave de abajo. Había lo que se llamaban los serenos, eran gente de la
falanje, que en general era un mutilado de guerra de la Guerra Civil
franquista, que tenía a su cargo una manzana, entonces vos para entrar
a tu casa tenías que aplaudir, a la hora que fuera, a las dos, tres de
la mañana, venía el tío y te abría, era una forma de control, en las
casas estaba prohibido entrar con gente que no viviera en tu casa.>>>
http://www.e-migrados.net/2/alf.html
Joe from Massachusetts

 Ciao, FB
How about "porteros"  ???  That's the word for door-keepers.
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In Spanish, as in Italian, people (gente) is singular.
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That sounds logical.  Here in Peru, the neighborhood watch is called
the "Serenazgo."
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 In Spanish, as in Italian, people (gente) is singular.
Sí pero "las personas" es plural.
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 DALE ERWIN'S OPERA FILES - 
http://www.geocities.com/dale_erwin
I just paid a visit. Thanks! :)
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How can you say that when your English is better than your Spanish? :-D
Just kidding of course.  Except for the word "orecio" your message is
completely understandable... and everyone here got a big kick out of it.
Aha!  I just had a thought... With "orecio" were you trying to say
"orecchio?"
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Dale Erwin
Salamanca 116
Pueblo Libre
Lima 21 PERU
Tel. +51(1)461-3084
Cel. +51(1)9743-6439
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 "orecchio?"
Perfect. You understand perfectly my spanish :)
ciao
Lapo

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Do they have the keys to everyone's door, as the "serenos" did in
Spain?
Joe from Massachusetts

 Spain?
I don't think anyone in Peru outside family members is ever
considered that trustworthy :-)
 From what I inferred, the serenos were the only ones with keys.
The owners couldn't enter until a sereno opened the door for them.
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Most residential buildings had a large wooden door, which remained
open during the day. The sereno had the only keys for these doors. He
had a key ring which was about a foot in diameter, full of huge keys.
I guess part of his job was to close these doors, also.  I only
encountered them in Barcelona, but the story in that link (written by
an immigrant from Argentina, who lived in fear of deportation as long
as Franco was alive) describes in detail that their function was to
record all comings and goings, and report them to the  police - they
were, in essence, police spies. The author mentions several examples.
Whenever he had a party, the sereno would ask him what all those
people were doing at his house. The sereno asked him why the lights
were on all night. He was a journalist who wrote at night, so he told
the sereno it was none of his business. He was visited by the police
on many occasions, and considered a suspicious person for these
actions. Also, immigrants were suspect, and were on the sereno's list
for special scrutiny, because they would be better informed about the
world's opinion of Franco, and might stir up trouble.
Joe from Massachusetts