Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Girl Interrupted

Hi,
this is my first post here after a while lurking :)
I liked the movie broadcast some days ago by Canale 5, "Ragazze
interrotte". I learnt it was taken from Susanna Kaysen's "Girl
interrupted".
What do you think about that book? Would you recommend it as a simple
reading for a newbie of English books? (me)
(Or you think I had better read the Italian version first...)
If not, do you have something else to recommend me?
thanks ;)
-- 
Hexen

If not, do you have something else to recommend me?
About this argument? No way, I know nothing of it. I liked 'Girl,
interrupted' quite a lot, but I've not read the book and that is not
the kind of books I am used to read.
If you just want to start reading books in English, I suggest you to
try Harry Potter. That's easy. 
BTW, for a start, why don't you watch 'Girl, interrupted' in English?
That would be useful too.
Sebastiano
-- 
The pen is mightier than the sword... only if the
sword is very small and the pen is very sharp.

 BTW, for a start, why don't you watch 'Girl, interrupted' in English?
OK, I'll try. But where can I get it until our TVs prefer broadcasting
70's serials instead of original-language movies?
Is it still reachable on Sat-TVs? (it is 4 years old)
:-)
-- 
Hexen

Is it still reachable on Sat-TVs? (it is 4 years old)
I don't know. Could be, but I don't have the sat.
If you do not have a DVD player, I think you ought to purchase one.
They're now really cheap (you can find DVD players for less then 100
euros) and really helpful if you're improving your English.
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try Harry Potter. That's easy. 
"I suggest that you try" or "I suggest Harry Potter"
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
If I were a fuzzy wuzzy bear
3 would be a perfect square

"I suggest that you try" or "I suggest Harry Potter"
I am pretty sure I read "I suggest you to try" somewhere, but again I
am not in the mood to do a research. Could it be American or is it
just totally wrong?
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just totally wrong?
It sounds totally wrong to me, but what do I know? In America, you can
start sentences with "Too, ", which also sounds totally wrong to me.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
I am never forget the day I first meet great Lobachevsky. In one
word he told me secret of success in mathematics: Plagiarise.


It's totally wrong then. It was probably there were I read it anyway.
I think I need to go to sleep and I hope that my English will not get
worse.
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start sentences with "Too, ", which also sounds totally wrong to me.
It's probably totally wrong in America too. I recognized the thread
Enrico wrote about and now I remember where I read that sentence. ;)
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 I've never heard either.
I have a number of American magazines containing sentences
starting "Too, ". "The General" magazine from Avalon Hill
Games did this a lot.
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 possible.  It should be ungrammatical across all varieties of English.
I agree that it's hideous, but it's very common in US English.
-- 
Mary

 Ecco alcuni periodi che iniziano per "So too".
"So too" è correttissimo (bada che il verbo e soggetto vengono invertiti
dopo); quello che stona sono le frasi tipo "Too, he drove a Ferrari".
IIRC, Arthur Hailey (Hotel, Airport, etc.) was particularly guilty of
this linguistic monstrosity.
-- 
Mary

possible.  It should be ungrammatical across all varieties of English.
Maybe the editor of that particular magazine was very odd.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
"Let's catch that sick bird" he said, illegally.

 this.  EVER!
I've never seen it either

this linguistic monstrosity.
Is it actually _correct_ American English? I think it's hideous.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
"I got the first three wrong" he said, forthrightly.

> Is it actually _correct_ American English? I think it's hideous.
No, any example of it would be an odd exception. Perhaps some day I'll post some
cockney expressions and make a case for them being acceptable English as spoken
by a large number of Britains to clarify how absurd is the point.

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If it were merely a _spoken_ form, I wouldn't worry. But I've seen it
in print quite a few times. And not in dialogue.
-- 
Adam Atkinson (
gh...@mistral.co.uk
)
You mean, you'll put down your rock, I'll put down my sword, and
we'll try to kill each other like civilized people?

 in print quite a few times. And not in dialogue.
Me too, and the Arthur Hailey books I mentioned weren't humorous
parodies but serious writing, insofar as you could call Hailey's books
serious. 
However, although I thought Hailey was American, he was apparently born
in England and moved to Canada at an early age, so maybe this is a
Canadian thing?
I seem to remember John Grisham does it too, but I'm not sure. 
You can't search for instances on the Internet because Google doesn't
recognise full stops, and all my books are packed up ready for moving
house, so I can't check them at present.
-- 
Mary
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Mary

 Is it actually _correct_ American English? I think it's hideous.
Here is what Dictionary.com says on his subject:
  Too meaning "in addition" or "also" is sometimes used to introduce a   
  sentence: 'There has been a cutback in federal subsidies. Too, rates have 
  been increasing.' There is nothing grammatically wrong with this usage, 
  but some critics consider it awkward.
 
  Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language
 
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=too
 
MM

   but some critics consider it awkward.
I would suggest that anyone learning English should not use a form that, in
practical terms, nobody uses (I've never heard it in the US) and people consider
awkward. Just as a learner shouldn't use cockney English or Afro-American
English, he should stay away from the rare exceptions to standard parlance that
may be used by some, Canadian, American, British, or whomever.