Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: :To have something done

Questa è la scena...una signora deve urgentemente andare al bagno il 
quale però
è veramente sporco...allora l'adetto alle pulizie gli chiede se vorrebbe 
che lui lo pulisse un pò prima:
*Would you like me to have/make/get the toilet cleaned/clean first?
La costruzione della frase mi è venuta in mente basandomi sulla di 
queste frasi:
*I'll make her understand
*I'll have her understood
*I'll have the job done
*I'll have the car fixed
quali parole si adattanno meglio al contesta prima di "the toilet" ?
Thanks...

, Larry 
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AmEng Ketzl here.
If the meaning is that the speaker will have someone else clean the 
toilet, the most appropriate version is:
"Would you like me to have the toilet cleaned first?"
You could also say:
"Would you like me to have someone clean the toilet first?"
If you say:
"Would you like me to make someone clean the toilet first?"
it sounds like you're *giving orders* to others.
You can't really say "...make the toilet clean/ed"
but you could say "Would you like me to make the toilet cleaner?"
but that implies you are going to clean it yourself.
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Get or have. Not make.
This exercise has the same construction except that "get" is in the past tense.
http://www.quia.com/tq/343663.html
bye
gfc

 
Intendi forse questo?...
*I just got the toilet cleaned 30 mins ago!

 quali parole si adattanno meglio al contesta prima di "the toilet" ?
Nessuno di questi. "To have something done" ("far fare" qualcosa)
significa farlo fare da qualcun altro, mentre nel tuo contesto è
l'addetti alle pulizie che pulirà il bagno.
Normalmente si direbbe "would you like me to clean the toilet first?",
ma se proprio devi scegliere fra le possibilità che ti hanno dato,
potresti dire "would you like me to get the toilet clean first". Non mi
sembra un idioma molto comune, però.
Sei sicuro di non aver capito male la situazione? Secondo me il più
probabile è "Would you like me to have the toilet cleaned first?", ma
vuol dire che il tizio farà fare il lavoro da un altro.
-- 
Mary

 vuol dire che il tizio farà fare il lavoro da un altro.
Ad esempio se sta parlando il direttore o etc...

 Ad esempio se sta parlando il direttore o etc...
Appunto.
-- 
Mary

Il secondo mi sembra piů britannico.
Pensavo che il secondo sembrava piů americano.  :)
Can you say "I'll have the job done"?
This sounds a bit strange to me.  I want to add "by 3 o'clock" or
something.  In general, I would say, "I'll get the job done" (fixed
expression?).
-az

 Pensavo che il secondo sembrava più americano.  :)
Mi risulta sia più colloquiale, inglese o americano.
Ciao, FB

 vuol dire che il tizio farà fare il lavoro da un altro.
"ad" un altro.
-- 
Giovanni Bajo


'I'll have the job done by 3 o'clock' implies you're going to do it yourself
, 'I'll get the job done by 3 o'clock' suggests you'll get someone else to
do it ; but context  is all-important . 'To have something done' and 'to get
something done' can both mean getting someone else to do something , and can
both also mean doing it yourself (essentially , more emphatic forms of  'to
do something'). 'I'll have the job done' tout court does sound odd , but
'I'll get the job done' also needs a context . 'I think I'll have my hair
dyed red tomorrow' (unless it's a premonition of attack by cosmetic
terrorists) means the same as '...get my hair dyed...' (someone else will do
it ) ; but to a parent nagging about a homework deadline , 'Don't worry ,
I'll get it done by Friday' means the same as '...I'll have it done...' ,
and neither version would offer the necessary reassurance if they meant
getting someone else to do it . When someone suggests that putting together
your Ikea flat-pack yacht may have been difficult , you might say, 'No
problem ! I had it fully assembled in less than an hour' - not much of a
boast unless you did it yourself .
   When both expressions mean 'far fare qc.', they're usually
interchangeable , but 'get' may suggest a greater emphasis on the active
initiation of the action , whereas 'have' is a bit more passive (focuses
more entirely on the action done) , and that might influence the choice of
which one you use in a given context .
Mike

 do something').
Quindi significano "farò sì che il lavoro sia pronto per le tre", e dal
contesto si capisce se la persona farà il lavoro da sé o lo assegnerà a
qualcun altro.
Ciao, FB

boast unless you did it yourself .
But here I could say "I got the job done."
I could not say "I had the job done."  This definitely implies to me
that someone else did the job--"I had it done by the/a mechanic."
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