Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Come parlo?

http://it.geocities.com/fb83se/fbsaleggere.mp3
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Sono io che leggo l'incipit di un noto romanzo. Secondo voi come parlo?
Cosa devo migliorare?
Ciao, FB
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del tuo pianerottolo.
Lucangel


'Impossibile trovare la pagina' is the response I get .
Mike

 'Impossibile trovare la pagina' is the response I get .
me either

, Michael Brewer wrote...
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Same here.
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Un-not my address, too, if you wanna reply.

 Same here.
Wonderful! I'll see to it now.
Bye, FB
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Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'.

 Cosa devo migliorare?
http://it.geocities.com/fb83se/fbsaleggere.mp3
The link is the same. I renamed the file, which had some capital letters.
Bye, FB
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 The link is the same. I renamed the file, which had some capital letters.
No, non funziona.
-- 
Mary

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I'll see to it again, grrr.
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A me ha funzionato.
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Maria Luisa C - 09/05/04 16.16.28, here.
(please, point out my English errors)

 Cosa devo migliorare?
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fb83/fbsaleggere.mp3
This one *should* work.
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 This one *should* work.
OK, it does.
The sound quality is very poor (probably the fault of my system), but it
sounds like an English person speaking from what little I can hear.
Is it really you?
-- 
Mary

 Is it really you?
It's definitely me. Da uno a dieci? (dove 1 è quasi incomprensibile e il
dieci è un madrelingua inglese che parla perfettamente)
Bye, FB
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Oh my! I shall never chastise you again ... for ANYthing! You speak 
beautifully, veddy British pronunciation... Are you sure this is you? I 
thought it was Hugh Grant... on a good day! :)
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It sounds more like a "veddy British person" to me.  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 It sounds more like a "veddy British person" to me.  :>)
That is?
Bye, FB
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In article <YEsnc.111256$f_5.11599@lakeread01>, joscurtin wrote...
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Great minds, Joe. 
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> Cosa devo migliorare?
Wow!  You sound great!  I love that British accent.   How can I learn to talk
like that?  
ari

thought it was Hugh Grant... on a good day! :)
I agree.  Beautiful.


Veddy great minds.
Joe from Massachusetts

It's definitely me
Wow! are you related to the Queen?

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"Acting With An Accent - Standard British"  was posted on the 5th May
in a.b.world-languages.

"jonny" <j...@jj.jj> wrote in message
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I wonder what his ears look like?  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

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Not that I know. (witty face) What's your mark, from one to ten (one is
very bad, ten is perfect).
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Eleven.
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very bad, ten is perfect).
9/10 Your accent is awesome, you sound like a well educated
Englishman, I don't talk like that, I'm a commoner in comparison to
you ;)). The only flaw I picked up on was your pronouciation of the
word " boyishness" but other than that it was quite remarkable. 
only the young have such moments. I don't mean the very young. No. The
very young have, properly speaking, no moments. It is the privilege of
early youth to live in advance of its days in all the beautiful
continuity hope which know no pauses and no introspection. 
One closes behind one the little gate of mere boyishness – and enters
an enchanted garden. Its very shades glow with promise. Every turn of
the path has its seduction. And it isn't because it is an undiscovered
country. One knows well enough that all mankind had streamed that way.
It is the charm of universal experience from which one expects an
uncommon or personal sensation – a bit of one's own. 

 Eleven.
As a former owner of cats, I can say they are cheeky opportunists! (witty
face)
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 uncommon or personal sensation – a bit of one's own.
That's it. "The Shadow Line".
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 Cosa devo migliorare?
pronuncia e fluency con i controfiocchi =)

 dieci è un madrelingua inglese che parla perfettamente)
6-7 subito; se riprovi a velocita' moderata, chissa'?
Ammiro il tuo "moments", comunque. Ma addesso, tocchera' a me leggere
Dante sul Web?
-- 
"The past resembles the future as water resembles water"  Ibn Khaldun
My .
mac.com
 address is a spam sink.
If you wish to email me, try atlothian at blueyonder dot co dot uk

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Ahime, 'sti poveri americani. Abbiamo dato loro una lingua quasi uguale
a quella di Dante.... e guardate, ragazzi, i risultati. Meglio che
avessero lasciato il loro continente ai bravi indiani.
Anche Archie e Mehitabel piangono. (Scustatemi: archie e mehitabel)
:)
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 Ma addesso, tocchera' a me leggere Dante sul Web?
Certo che sì! Dai, "nel mezzo del cammin...".
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 > Cosa devo migliorare?
Bravo. Per migliorare, direi solo che non dovresti borbottare. Prova a farlo
di nuovo con la siccurezza che sei bravo.

 6-7 subito; se riprovi a velocita' moderata, chissa'?
Ecco qua:
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fb83/fbconradlento.mp3
 (684 Kb) (spero funzioni
al primo colpo)
Questa volta le eventuali cavolate si sentono tutte, perché parlo proprio
lentamente. Casomai fosse peggiore dell'altro, posso dire a mia discolpa
che sono stato piů pigro e questo č solo il mio secondo tentativo.
Ciao, FB
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 che sono stato piů pigro e questo č solo il mio secondo tentativo.
A me pare migliore, invece.  
Prima era troppo veloce, sembrava uno scioglilingua :)
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Still very good... the only suggestion I have is for the word "mankind", 
which you pronounced somewhat like "m'n-KIND"; the stress is okay, on the 
last syllable, but there's more vowel sound in the first syllable:
mæn-KIND)
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 in a.b.world-languages.
Quali server portano alt.binaries.world-languages ?
Lo vedo su 
news.ncyu.edu.tw
 ma solo gli ultimi, pochissimi, articoli.
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Corretto (ci tengo all'esame di Alan!). Spero che la qualità media non sia
diminuita, alla ricerca del perfetto "mankind". (faccina sorridente)
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 diminuita, alla ricerca del perfetto "mankind". (faccina sorridente)
Ah, il link è lo stesso: 
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fb83/fbconradlento.mp3
(687 Kb). I 3 Kb sono senz'altro il suono vocalico di "*man*kind". (faccina
spiritosa)
Ciao, FB
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 Lo vedo su 
news.ncyu.edu.tw
 ma solo gli ultimi, pochissimi, articoli.
Io lo vedo su:
news.octanews.com
 (18137 headers)
free.teranews.com
 (4757 headers)
-- 
Maria Luisa C - 10/05/04 20.36.29, here.
(please, point out my English errors)

Lo vedo su 
news.ncyu.edu.tw
 ma solo gli ultimi, pochissimi, articoli.
E' su easynews. Se questo mi vorresti a upload, dimmi dove.
Please correct me if my Italian is incorrect.

spiritosa)
You still haven't quite nailed "Boyishness". You don't say it badly at
all but it's not perfect like the rest of your reading. The "ish"
sound is important, like in Engl*ISH*.

 sound is important, like in Engl*ISH*.
I thought "yi" was the problem. I think I said /'boiSnis/, whereas the
correct pronunciation, I understand, is /boijSnis/. I surrender: nobody's
perfect, after all. (smiling face).
Bye, FB
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perfect, after all. (smiling face).
You're not far from it, If my Italian pronunciation reaches half the
level of your English, then I'll be very pleased indeed.

 Bravo. Per migliorare, direi solo che non dovresti borbottare.
Ehm, lo faccio anche in italiano.
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 E' su easynews. Se questo mi vorresti a upload, dimmi dove.
"Se vuoi che ti faccia un upload da qualche parte, dimmi dove".
"Se vuoi che ti faccia un upload, basta che mi dici dove".
Si dice anche "che te lo uploadi", cioé usando il verbo "uploadare". E' brutto
ma è comunissimo.
-- 
Giovanni Bajo

 "Se vuoi che ti faccia un upload, basta che mi dici dove".
"Basta che tu mi dic*a* dove". 
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Fb potresti postare il testo che leggi?
Così anche un principiante come me riuscirà a capire cosa hai detto! :-)


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Maria Luisa C - 11/05/04 10.03.53

 E' su easynews. Se questo mi vorresti a upload, dimmi dove.
Thank you! Do you mean sending it by email? 
You can use my Reply-To email :-)
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I pay you my compliments, FB! As far as I can tell, you speak astoundingly
well!
Anyway, I would like to know if you just read your passage straightaway or
if you trained yourself a little by reading it out a few times or perhaps by
looking up in the dictionary some dubious words and things like that...
I have to say that I had your same idea of submitting a small audio passage
just to know how it would sound to a native speaker, but now I am quite
overawed by your skills...
Lorenzo

 They're too big.
"Sono troppo grandi" (the subject is not necessary, unless you want to
stress it).
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 overawed by your skills...
So am I. My spoken English must be astonishingly bad :/
So far, my main concern has been to understand rather than be
understood.
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 Have you got broadband?
Yep! :)
Thanks! 
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 overawed by your skills...
No, dai, dai! Siamo curiosi. 
Ciao, FB
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 No, dai, dai! Siamo curiosi.
va bč, proviamo... č il tuo stesso brano; non miro alla "indistinguibilitą
con l'originale", sarei soddisfatto di parlare in modo comprensibile e "non
palesemente errato", accento e cadenza credo che li migliorero' veramente
quando e se andro' a stare per un po' in un paese angolofo...
A voi: 
http://web.tiscali.it/Astro/Konrad.mp3
Ciao,
Lorenzo

Cosa devo migliorare?
Davvero COMPLIMENTI! Hai una pronuncia invidiabile.
Alle mie orecchie pare un ottimo accento inglese(tra l'altro
per me più tosto da capire, avendo sempre imparato da
americani) 
ALEx

> if you trained yourself a little by reading it out a few times
Mi attacco qui solo per dire che finalmente, misteriosamente, stamattina
tutto funziona e sono riuscita a sentire anch'io! Clap clap anche da parte
mia, quindi! Il prossimo passo sarà una lettura drammaticamente
interpretata à la Stephen Fry, come minimo! :-)
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Ciao,
Anna

 quando e se andro' a stare per un po' in un paese angolofo...
Dovrņ aggiungerti alla schiera dei miei imitatori, dopo Hugh Grant. 
Ciao, FB
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L'importante č che risplenda tu, sola primadonna e immarcescibile leggenda
del tuo pianerottolo.
Lucangel

 Il prossimo passo sarą una lettura drammaticamente interpretata ą la Stephen Fry, come minimo! :-)
Ci mancherebbe!
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A voi: 
http://web.tiscali.it/Astro/Konrad.mp3
Quite understandable. 
I'd say your accent is pretty good, especially in light of your never
having been in an English-speaking country.   And I think most people
would compliment you on having little accent.
Your accent is sorta Britishy (especially the words "moments,"
"properly speaking") with some words sounding sorta Americany (or less
British) ("promise").  Since you say "garden" with no r-sound, I'm
assuming you've been taught some sort of British accent.
There were a few words and phrases that stood out as "accented."
If you're interested, the particulars follow.  
Some consistent standouts were vowels that were nasal vowels (with no
following nasal consonant) instead of nasalized vowels (with a
following nasal consonant) and vowels/diphthongs that were a bit too
long.
Standouts:
1.  country 
2.  the little gate
3.  bit, live     (Instead of [bIt], your "bit" sounds like [bi:t] as
in "a beeet of one's own."  The "live" in "to live in . . ." sounds a
tad like "leeeve."  Id est, the vowels are too long and not
qualitatively "precise.")
4.  uncommon, advance      (In the final syllable of both words, you
use a nasal vowel that sounds like French "un/in.")
5.  I, days     ("I" in "I don't mean the very young" sounds a tiny
bit too much like Italian [ai], and "days" like Italian [ei], i.e. the
second part of the diphthongs is too long.  It's [aI] and [eI] in
English.)
6.  mankind, charm, one    (In the second syllable of "mankind," the
vowel is too nasal and a bit too long.  In "charm" and "one," the
vowel is a bit too nasal.  Further, your "one" sounds a little like
"wan" or "Juan."  It's more of a schwa-sound than an [a].)
7.  youth    (You use a long [U] (like in "good") instead of [u] like
in "you, use")
8.  streamed    (You pronounced this without the [t] as something like
"s'reamed/sweemed")
Other comments:
--every turn of the path    (You seem to "swallow" the "every."  I
heard this as "I've return(ed) of the path . . .")
--of mere boyishness     (Sounds slightly rushed)
--uncommon or personal sensation      (I first perceived this as
"uncommon opus (of sensation)."  Maybe your "or" was a little too
short (or a little too "o").) 
-az 


I think this is one of the main problems for speakers whose native language
doesn't have vowel quantity. Instinctively, the difference between long and
short vowels sounds to me as, say, irrelevant and I actually have to force
myself to "feel" it. In this respect French, even though it has as well a
quite complex vowel system, is much easier.
I think that to significantly improve my language skills the only thing to
do would be to live in an English speaking country, practising it daily.
Thanks again,
Lorenzo

 do would be to live in an English speaking country, practising it daily.
I've never been to an English-speaking country, even if I'd like to. I'm
really curious, now more than ever, who an Englishman would think I am:
Italian, foreigner...
Bye, FB
-- 
L'importante è che risplenda tu, sola primadonna e immarcescibile leggenda
del tuo pianerottolo.
Lucangel