Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: kewl

What means kewl?
thanks!

 thanks!

same number of letters, but it's 'kewl to be in'
Excuse me, could this word be read as [kju:l] too ?
It reminds me of Harold (Harry) Kewell, an Australian player of Leeds
United.
Bye Asoka xx'82
<< However fast you may run, you will never overreach the ball >>

kewl.....
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further.
His name is pronunced [kju:el], I am sure of it.
But I think Raymot can confirm this.
BTW, just to add a little information :-):-), this footballer is from New
South Wales and he's regarded as one of the brightest hopes of the English
championship.
English teams often send talents' scouts and have youth teams in Australia
(and in other Commonwealth countries, I presume, especially African
countries), so they support the growth of little players and sometimes get
some, like Kewell.
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further.
Not being into calcio, I do not know the sudetto Mr Kewel either.
However, the British and Australian way of pronouncing "ew" is
/ju/ as opposed to American /u/.
You will hear this pronunciation (/ju/) in New South Wales, 
Kew gardens, New Zealand, New Delhi, but less often in Nu York.
Similarly pronounced are: dew, few, hew, kew, mews, news, pew,
sewer (but not sew). Whether it is pronounced in Jew, jewel ie.
like /giu`/ or in yew /iiu`/ I can't tell.
Ciao, 
Raymot
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sewer (but not sew). 
Oops, sorry, sewer is /'su,@/, no /j/.
This English pronunciation and its description sometimes
catches even the most native of us.
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 countries), so they support the growth of little players [...]
Do they use growth hormones?   :-))
(I expect you mean that they help young players develop their skills.)
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Scusami se ti correggo, Sal (in genere il tuo inglese č molto buono), ma
visto che questo č un errore frequente tra gli italiani, mi sembra utile
portarlo all'attenzione di tutti.
Si dice: "what does ... mean?", mai "what means....".
Mary
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ANAESTHETISTS do it until you fall asleep

Si dice: "what does ... mean?", mai "what means....".
Dear Mary,
non voglio insinuare che l'inglese di *questo* Salvatore non sia molto
buono - anche se... - , ma... non č che forse intendevi riferirti al nostro
vecchio amico e professor Salvatore Santangelo?
Attenzione alle omonimie.
Anna

(I expect you mean that they help young players develop their skills.)
Yes, I meant a "technical" growth.
But in some countries (and some time ago), trainers make young athletes use
hormones.
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Actually I was joking; "little players" means players of short stature, not
young players.
Mary
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Anna Martini ha scritto:
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Hai ragione; ho sbagliato Salvatore...!
Spero che entrambi mi perdoneranno.
Mary
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As long as the answer is right, who cares if the question is wrong?

Antique mirror stolen. Police are looking into it.
This is really great !
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I am sorry for writing it twice, but it didn't start...
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continuing the conversation with any degree of ease) 
:-)))
Luca
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Mediterranean men. It's called self-respect.
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away
ah yes, ok, this is another one I'm not at ease with. 
"I shall away" meaning we have mutually agreed to drop the verb, or what?
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 Spero che entrambi mi perdoneranno.
Ti ringrazio per la correzione!
P.S. E' stato un error di omonimia, io non sono molto bravo nella lingua
inglese! :-)
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 Bambi's writing....
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It's a very old-fashioned (Shakespearian) way of saying "I'll go". Not an
expression you'd use in modern English, unless you're royalty, of course.
Mary
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is acceptable to write as I did.
I have nor ever had no doubt about the acceptability of your stylistic
choices, my fellow soldier. I was just wondering whether the expression
you used could be a case of verb elision contemplated by the rules of
english language, or an idiomatic expression, or both, either or
whatever. 
I must admit it always puzzled me.
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 around here for about 48 hours.
(snip)

sense of humour.
this balefully sounds like...
ok, I'll cut it out...   :-)
luca
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luca
Yes, it's a mess. ;)
I'll leave most of it, and comment only on the last phrase, since
it's important.
You should use the present perfect: ",,. (that) I've tried to run
away from all my life."
This assumes that you are still alive and still running. The present
perfect is used for actions that continue into the present.
If you are non-living, perhaps channelling your messages through someone
else, "I tried ..." is fine.
If you are still living, but have stopped running, you could write:
"that I tried to run away from for most of my life".
PS. I guess you know that in English, we capitalise the first letter
in a sentence, proper nouns like "Jesus", and various other words -
although mercifully not to a Germanic extent.
PPS. If it's any comfort to you, I am also a republican (not in the
US sense though!)
Raymot
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although mercifully not to a Germanic extent.
One should capitalise the first letter in Italian too, and also proper
nouns.
Nevertheless, the Italian adjectives which refer to nationalities are not in
capital letters, unlike English, and I noticed a lot of Italian guys, when
using English, write as if they were writing in Italian.
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I'm not dead, I'm metabolically challenged.
great. may I put this on my tombstone? 
Luca
Marry me girl be by fairy to the world be my very own constellation
A teenage bride with a baby inside getting high on information
And buy me a star on the Boulevard it's Californication
(RHCP)

US sense though!)
well, that's something that generally goes without saying in my country,
therefore I can't really say it's any comfort to me, but I really
appreciate that from someone somehow related to a kingdom, even if
foreign.
but -forgive my ignorance- Australia is now a republic, isn't it? or are
you still all subjects of HM We All Know Who?
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using English, write as if they were writing in Italian.
exactly.
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exactly.
Not bad for one who was stating, in a previous post, that the most important
thing about learning a foreign language is learning to understand all shades
and subtleties of that language native speakers' mentality. Suffice it to
say that the vast majority of native English speakers do make a point of
capitalising I's, adjectives referring to nationalities, and letters at the
beginning of a new sentence. Subtly and not so subtly.
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching

you still all subjects of HM We All Know Who?
You BET they are
HRH You All Know Who
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...and if the royalty in question be agèd as well,  then you're in for
some real linguistic challenges.
Remaining as always,
Bambi
dtb
It should also be said that 'explanation' is correct.
Luca Vanz <
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You're welcome.
Mary
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Stolen taglines are the sincerest form of flattery
You tryin' to tell me summat or what?
Isa
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although mercifully not to a Germanic extent.
Secondo me, una vera riforma della lingua tedesca avrebbe dovuto
riguardare proprio questo aspetto e, quindi, sopprimere le iniziali
maiuscole, oltre a trasformare tutte le ß in doppia s. Soprattutto il
crescente utilizzo di Internet nella corrispondenza richiede una
semplificazione di questi aspetti della lingua tedesca.
Heidi

 You tryin' to tell me summat or what?
Would I do a thing like that?  :^)
Mary
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what?
It leaves it out, and you have to use the infinite without "to".
e.g. "I guess I'd better talk to my shrink(?) about that"
What is "shrink" ? I thought it was a verb.
The first word which occurs to me is "shrine" (but it is very unlikely to be
what you meant).
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You tryin' to tell me summat or what?
summat is for sumpin'?
Luca
Non ho nessuna frase spiritosa come tagline.
Mi volete bene lo stesso?
I have no witty sentence to use as a tagline.
(Error 404: impossible to translate)

HRH You All Know Who
what's wrong with Majesty, exactly?
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You're welcome.
thanks for not saying "go ahead"  :)
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beginning of a new sentence. Subtly and not so subtly.
I sincerely doubt this has something to do with any part of the native
speakers' mentality I'd find of any interest. and if the capitalizing of
"I" is symbolic of british mentality, well, let me say that I don't find
this particularly enlightening. but as you can see I capitalize it
anyway. for all the other words I assure you it's merely a matter of
laziness, and by no means a statement.
with all due respect, but stating and defending my right (a very little
and superficial one, I might say) to non-capitalization 
humbly yours,
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Luca
Australia is still a Commonwealth country. Our head of state is currently
Queen Elizabeth II. We are having a referendum in two months time, in
November, to vote on a republic. It could go either way, because it's a
specific model of a republic that we have to vote for.
Ciao,
Raymot
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I haven't studied linguistics, but I should think the reason is that centuries
ago, the upper classes spoke Latin (then French, after the Norman conquest)
while the proletariat spoke Anglo-Saxon, so two kinds of language developed in
parallel.
The interesting difference with Italy, for example, is that in Italy, regional
dialects still survive even now, whereas in England, dialects have all but
died out, and the Anglo-Saxon and Latin/French forms of words were eventually
incorporated in the same language, perhaps because the country has been
unified for such a long time.
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Yes, it's Yorkshire dialect.
Isabella must have been watching "Emmerdale Farm".
Mary
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This is the main reason ; another one is that the English language stopped
its devolopment in the18th
century, when Italy was far from being united (and from forming a common
language).
Moreover, Latin words enter English only in the 16th century, so much later
than the Roman invasion, and Latin was supported by scholars, as Thomas More
(just see "Utopia") ; notwithstanding this appreciation
endorsed by many artists, others tried to introduce a spreadder use of
English : amongst these ones you
can find Shakespeare and Milton.
Finally, we can say English is the most Latin language among the Germanic
ones.
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with his psychiatrist.
So it's the "strizzacervelli" ! Thank you
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specific model of a republic that we have to vote for.
But not all Commonwealth countries are under the jurisdiction of HM
Elizabeth II (and all Commonwealth countries are republics, save some little
islands and some fake republics).
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 English : amongst these ones you can find Shakespeare and Milton.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
amongst them are (or preferably: "they include")
Mary
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Isabella must have been watching "Emmerdale Farm".
No, I think I've been reading Alan Sillitoe.
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 Latin words enter English only in the 16th century
I  remain, as always, ecc
Bambi
dtb

> than the Roman invasion
I took this information from the same dictionary.
Thanks for the correction (I found "spreadder" in the Language Assistant,
so, one more time, don't use it !)
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what you meant).
shrink from "head-shrinker" (a psychoanalyst).
Luca
"Nulla inaridisce una mente quanto la ripugnanza
a concepire idee oscure. In questo grande 
dormitorio dell'universo, l'incubo e' la sola
forma di lucidita' "
(Emile Cioran)

specific model of a republic that we have to vote for.
tifero' per tutti i repubblicani d'Australia, allora.
(Isa, Anna, ecco un verbo che non so come tradurre in inglese: tifare.
to support is really too weak for the purpose).
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to know.
This newsgroup is remarkably free of irritants. It seems to me that your
predilection for ignoring certain English writing conventions has a very limited
potential to annoy. If you can tolerate my beginner-going-on-intermediate
Italian, i can tolerate your little letters.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

to know.
Sarebbe una forma di cortesia verso tutti i lurker del Ng che vorrebbero
imparare qualcosa dai messaggi postati. D'altronde questo è un NG di
linguistica, e la lingua andrebbe rispettata, in tutte le sue convenzioni.
altrimentipotreidirticheamepiacemoltoscriveresenzaspaziperchèmifarisparmiare
diversotempononavraimicadeiproblemiadadattartiaquesto,vero?
salutiPeltio
(che posta apposta errori perchè vengano corretti [*])
[*] OK, OK. Non mi aspettavo che qualcuno ci credesse.

Luca
tifare = diffondere il tifo?  Nice!!
Ciao, 
Raymot
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 to know.
Personally, I find it faintly irritating, but that's probably a deformazione
professionale; I have to correct a lot of texts written in English by non-native
speakers, so it comes naturally to look for mistakes, and instead of thinking
about the text, I'm itching to correct it.
Mary
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Aarghh!
Who the hell wrote that?
It's obviously been programmed to invent comparative adjectives by doubling the
last consonant and adding -er.
Expect that "spread" isn't an adjective, it's a participle, and anyway it still
doesn't work with a lot of words that are adjectives. Helpfuller?
Artificialler?  Excitingger? The mind boggles!
Mary
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to know.
It does, me, a whole lot. And I mean a whole lot. And it's just not the done
thing. Especially since you attribute it to plain laziness. I think we all
deserve a tad more respect.
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to support is really too weak for the purpose).
Ecco un altro verbo che non puň essere tradotto appieno nel suo significato
; cmq, oltre a "to support", e piů forte di esso, si puň dire "to be a fan
of".
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 of".
There is a useful American expression: "I'll be rooting for (the republicans)".
Mary
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Dear Luca,
Seriously, I have to confess it does bother me for all the reasons
Raymot has so eloquently cited.
In addition to which on a News Group dealing with language, I am of
the opinion that it is doubly annoying both for the native language
speakers as well as for those learning the language in question
Sadly, I understand that on 'the net' it is now common practice, it
bothers me nonetheless.
Since you asked.
I remain, as always, ecc
Bambi
dtb
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grammatici e all'opera lessicografica di S. Johnson."
Yesterday evening I had a glance at my book of English literature (just to
refresh my mind with the Plantagenets) and I happened to make out the
linguistic part.
Well, there is written just what you wrote (so I'll rely on it so forth)
I apologize for writing such a bad post (nonsense+mistakes). All in all,
it's the worst post
I've written so far ! ;-)
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I thank all of you who answered.
Bye Asoka xx'82
<< However fast you may run, you will never overreach the ball >>
P.S. Maybe I'll become a shrink one day (God permitting) :-)

P.S. Maybe I'll become a shrink one day (God permitting) :-)
Well dear, over here all it takes is a University degree in psychology and a
State exam, I don't really think you need any divine approval.
:-)
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 it is not necessary.
Non č esattamente cosě. Ron ha scritto tempo fa diversi messaggi
interessanti sulla presenza/assenza della congiunzione.
Potresti ritrovarlo su 
deja.com
, ma non ricordo l'oggetto della
conversazione.
Ciao,
Dario.
ITA


Don't worry, we all learn from our mistakes! (Chi non risica non rosica,
vero?)
But remember, it's very dangerous to make sweeping statements on the
Internet; somebody out there is sure to shoot you down in flames. 
That's why AFAIK and IMHO were invented.
Mary
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That's why AFAIK and IMHO were invented.
Got it.
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Italian, i can tolerate your little letters.
we got a deal, man.
unfortunately you seem to be the only one -er...- tolerant enough to
accept my little innocuous mannerism.
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has begun, eg. in your above "am I wrong, ..."
c'mon, don't gimme that... I thought we had full stops for that purpose.
:)
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Since you asked.
I did, alas  :)
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deserve a tad more respect.
real, aware laziness is *never* about respect, Isa.
let me say that: I'm an expert on Laziness. I could write a book on it.
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let me say that: I'm an expert on Laziness. I could write a book on it.
Which I am going to proof-read and edit for publication, inserting all
missing capitals. Manageable fee, I promise.
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really can't feel like I was committing a crime, or annoying someone
I though I was the only judge of what annoys me?
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 wrote:
" let me say that: I'm an expert on Laziness. I could write a book on it.
Anch'io potrei, ma sono troppo pigro per farlo.
.mau.

Maurizio Codogno ha scritto:
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That reminds me of a famous quote from "Three Men in a Boat " by Jerome K.
Jerome, which goes something like:
"I love work -- I could sit and look at it all day."
How come you put "replica a: Junk?" Is this your way of saying we're OT?
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" How come you put "replica a: Junk?" Is this your way of saying we're OT?
E` il mio modo di dire che *io* sono OT...
.mau.

Isa
E` vero, Isa. Pero` Luca e` l'unico giudice di cio` che lui
puo` sentire. Se non puo` davvero sentire che dava fastidio
a qualcuno, anche se alcuni di noi gleil'hanno detto, allora
magari dovremo accettare che questa incapacita` esiste.
Raymot
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magari dovremo accettare che questa incapacita` esiste.
Q.: How many shrinks does it take to change a lightbulb?
A.: One may be enough, but the lightbulb _really_ has to want to change...
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I though I was the only judge of what annoys me?
right, but following that line of thought we should all stop writing,
since we can't be sure of what will annoy the others and what won't.
personally I follow this rule: when someone writes something that annoys
me, I hit that little key marked "del" ("canc" on italian keyboards").
or I reply and discuss, always granting that person the right to do
something that annoys me.
but I never ask her or him to stop doing that, unless they're spamming
the group.
it looks like a good philosophy to me, it gives me good karma, I'm happy
with it.
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missing capitals. Manageable fee, I promise.
you're too lazy for proofreading.
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Isa
Appunto!
Raymot
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ma Dai, Basta, Fate Paceee!
annA

you're too lazy for proofreading.
You just try... and see how dynamic I can get...
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