Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: "I know him good"

"I know him good", per dire "I know him well" è una forma 
colloquiale?
L'ho sentita nei Jefferson.
-- 
Enrico C 
"The fad of today is the orthodoxy of tomorrow."


That used to be one of my favorite shows along with "All in the family".  I
can't even find the reruns now.
bye
ari

 family". 
I didn't know about that TV show, but I looked up the net. 
It seems it dealt with the social and racial issues, didn't it?, as 
well as the Jeffersons did.
http://www.tvland.com/shows/aitf/
http://www.allinthefamilysit.com/home.shtml
Amazon.com sells the AITF DVDs
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 "I know Roy very good",
No, sorry... "I know Roy real good".
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can't even find the reruns now.
And "The Jeffersons" is a spinoff of "All in the family". :)
BTW, you can find the first two seasons of "The Jeffersons" and of
"All in the Family" on DVD. Since you live in the US, you can find
them even in the shops. If you can't find them, there's Amazon. :)
AFAIK there are no reruns in the US at the moment.
Sebastiano
-- 
No wonder people say "gesundheit" when you say "Tchaikovsky".

 And "The Jeffersons" is a spinoff of "All in the family". :)
Yep! 
QUOTE 
http://www.tvland.com/shows/aitf/
Other regular visitors to the Bunker home are The Jeffersons, their 
black next-door neighbors. Lionel Jefferson shares Mike's liberal 
views and visits often, usually dispensing a pointed barb or two at 
his bigoted neighbor. Lionel's father, George Jefferson, is as 
bigoted as Archie (only from the black perspective), which makes for 
some shocking and eye-opening dialog between the two. Just as Archie 
has Edith, George has Louise, who keeps him in line with her quick 
wit and reasonable point of view.
UNQUOTE
BTW, is AITF hard to catch for a non native speaker? 
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 BTW, is AITF hard to catch for a non native speaker?
You lot don't half watch some utter tosh!
 LOL
:o)

:o)
By George! Of course we don't! It's my butler who keeps babbling 
about that load of guff ^____-
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 colloquiale?
Sì. Lo diciamo anche in napoletano: <'O saccio buono>, cioè "Lo conosco
bene" (detto di persona). :-)
ciao
Agostino
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 bene" (detto di persona). :-)
interessante :)
com'e' negli altri dialetti italiani? (aaaaaaaargh)
potete fare un elenco? mi interessa tanto vedere le differenze...
Zz
 :o) 
http://groups.msn.com/tefl
 ... when at home.

 about that load of guff ^____-
Likely story!
I'll get back to you about this.

 You lot don't half watch some utter tosh!
Wasn't All in the Family the abysmal American remake of Steptoe and Son?
-- 
Mary

 bene" (detto di persona). :-)
Una delle prime cose che ho imparato a dire quando sono arrivata a
Milano era "Va buono!".
Poi non capivo perché tutti ridevano.
-- 
Mary


LOL
Are you trying to draw me into this conversation?!
   "Just when I thought I was out, they drag me back in!"
I think it was Till Death Us Do Part which led to All in the Family, and
some other rubbish that span off from Steptoe...
LOL - I can't bring myself to write any more!

 LOL - I can't bring myself to write any more!
So, what BBC shows would you recommend, if any, for an EFL student?
I appreciated the "Yes, Minister!" series (1980-1982), although that 
show was said to be Margaret Thatcher's favored one ;)
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 show was said to be Margaret Thatcher's favored one ;)
For situational comedy you can't beat *Fawlty Towers* - URL:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005OCTG/taijiquan-21
 (cheaper
than Play on these links). I've used this a few times in class, but it can
all get a bit carried away! This is timeless. You must have this. If you've
ever visited a seaside resort in England, especially Torquay, you'll know
why.
But it all depends on your tastes to some extent. Do you want comedy, drama,
sci-fi, thriller, documentary...?
Some shows are good for authentic use of language, others are good for
subtleties and wordplay, etc.
*Blackadder* - complete box set -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005OCTI/taijiquan-21
Where Mr Bean (Rowan Atkinson) talks! This is a sort of historically based
comedy. The era changes in each of the 4 series, but the main character,
Blackadder, and his motley sidekicks remain... The voices can be a little
unusual, and it is not to everyone's taste, but if you like Rowan Atkinson,
you should love this. Richard Curtis (writer) has since written Four
Weddings and a Funeral, Notting Hill, Bridget Jones's Diary and Love
Actually.
*The Office* - Series 1 & 2 box (to be released 22 March), link:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001DI55S/taijiquan-21
 - this is
painfully funny observational comedy (in an all too authentic setting) and
has just beaten Friends on its home turf at the Golden Globe Awards - best
comedy and best comedy actor.
I will try to compile a list and post it here sometime.
Can you recommend some Italian films?
:)

com'e' negli altri dialetti italiani? (aaaaaaaargh)
Nel mio, veronese, č "ló conóso bčn", ovvero "lo conosco bene". Con
buono non si dice.
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:)
Anything by Luchino Visconti, Federico Fellini or Sergio Leone, for 
starters :) 
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Wasn't All in the Family the abysmal American remake of Steptoe and Son?
Are you saying the remake was abysmal or was the show abysmal?  I thought it
was one of the best shows to appear on American TV.  It's a classic, just like
I Love Lucy, (which I don't like),  Leave it to Beaver and a few others.  
I' m cutting and pasting something here 
ALL IN THE FAMILY
U.S. Situation Comedy
 
For five years, All in the Family, which aired on CBS from 1971-1983 (in its
last four seasons under the title Archie Bunker's Place), was the top-rated
show on American television, and the winner of four consecutive Emmy Awards as
Outstanding Comedy Series. All in the Family was not only one of the most
successful sitcoms in history, it was also one of the most important and
influential series ever to air, for it ushered in a new era in American
television characterized by programs that did not shy away from addressing
controversial or socially relevant subject matters.
 
 
....here is the rest of the document:
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/A/htmlA/allinthefa/allinthefa.htm
bye
ari

 starters :)
Ok. And the main course? :)
In terms of Italian movies or those set in Italy, I have:
Il Postino - Cinema Paradiso - The Good, The Bad and the Ugly (dubbed into
English, all bar some extra footage) - La Dolce Vita - Life is Beautiful /La
Vita e Bella - The Talented Mr Ripley
and will probably buy Malena SE when I next come to Italy, and the Italian
Job (1969) when I get round to it.
What else should I see?
Thanks.
Zz

 Are you saying the remake was abysmal or was the show abysmal?  
I meant "All in the Family" was abysmal.
Zz was right; it was based on the British TV show "Till Death do us
Part", not "Steptoe and Son".
"Till Death do us Part" was an excellent Seventies sitcom, really ahead
of its time, but the one episode of "All in the Family" I saw was really
poor by comparison.
-- 
Mary

 What else should I see?
You seem to be quite fond of 
amazon.co.uk
, ain't you? :)
There I saw they sell "Roma" by Fellini, quite different from his "La
Dolce Vita".
Then, you could try Play.com too. It's free shipping anyway.
There, you *must* have "Once Upon A Time In The West" by Sergio Leone,
IMO :)
http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=123704&p=40&c=&g=54

 poor by comparison.
I suppose it's a matter of taste. Although 'All in the Family' was only
"watchable", 'Till Death do us Part' was unbearable. I did, however, enjoy
'Yes Minister', 'Fawlty Towers', and that show with the "Goode's" which had
a different title in the US than in Britain.

 a different title in the US than in Britain.
And don't forget Reginald Perrin.

> And don't forget Reginald Perrin.
Of course, another gem is the American situation comedy 'Seinfeld'. However,
it's difficult to appreciate some of the humor if you're not a native
speaker.

 IMO :)
Now this has interested me for a while. Thanks for the recommendation! What
about "Once Upon A Time in America"? Catchy title. :) And what's with "Once
Upon A Time in Mexico"? Is this unconnected?
How about the best Italian films over the part 15 years? Romantic / comedy
/
scenic / heart-warming / thrilling... :)
I dunno.
Zz
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speaker.
It's coming out on DVD, probably fall 2004. I can't wait for it. I've
never watched it, but everybody keeps telling me it's a great show.
I guess that every show is difficoult if you're not a native speaker.
I've been told that Seinfeld is though. There are many sitcom jokes I
don't get. In "Will & Grace" I've never heard of half of the names
mentioned in the show. I remember a phrase somewhat like "she's the La
Lucci of fashion" meaning "Susan Lucci", the soap opera actress who
won the Emmy at her 19th nomination.
Or in "Friends", when Phoebe said to Monica, "Don't look at me that
way, Roseanne Rosannadanna!" because Monica had a bush instead of her
hair, because of the humidity.
Roseanne Rosannadanna is one of Gilda Radner's most famous SNL
characters.
www.geocities.com/ladolcegilda/roseanne.html
In the same episode Chandler says "That's why our honeymoon photos
look like me and Diana Ross!"
And Diana Ross's hair show us a different meaning of the words "extra
body". :)
www.dianaross.com/html/main.html
Those are the jokes I don't get at first, and the ones I love to find
out. :)
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 scenic / heart-warming / thrilling... :)
Well, there are so many good films, and I should think more about it.
I'll just tell you a few ones (maybe not so famous, but pretty good) I
can think of now and that you can find on sale on the net :)
PANE E TULIPANI
http://www.dvd.it/page/dett/froms/Y/arti/18399/
LA GABBIANELLA E IL GATTO
http://www.dvd.it/page/dett/froms/Y/arti/21614/
MA CHE COLPA ABBIAMO NOI
http://www.dvd.it/page/dett/froms/Y/arti/26205/
LE FATE IGNORANTI
http://www.dvd.it/page/dett/froms/Y/arti/20222/
LA LEGGENDA DEL SANTO BEVITORE
http://www.dvd.it/page/dett/froms/Y/arti/27170/
 
-- 
"Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look;
he thinks too much: such men are dangerous."
[J.C.]

 was one of the best shows to appear on American TV.  It's a classic, just like
Well, I haven't ever seen AITF so I can't say anything about that.
Interestingly, though, I found out that there has always been a
diverging opinion on that series depending on the side of the pond you
watch it from :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/a/allinthefamily_1299000070.shtml
QUOTE 
In the UK, All In The Family was perceived, somewhat snootily, as a
watered-down version of a British original, partly because it was
viewed in the more liberal surroundings of UK television, a liberty
which programmes like That Was The Week That Was, Steptoe And Son and
Till Death Us Do Part itself had helped create years earlier. But in
the USA the series, and others that followed its line, forced a
relaxation of the very strict, censorial broadcast regulations.
UNQUOTE
-- 
"When shall we three meet again in thunder, lightning, or in rain?"
[M.]

 LA LEGGENDA DEL SANTO BEVITORE
Never heard of any of the rest, so I'm very pleased you have mentioned them.
Cheers!
Zz

 Including Mr Eastwood?
Quentin Tarantino and John Woo, for instance. 
 
 You can read this short interview with Tarantino about "Once Upon A
Time In The West".
http://tarantino.webds.de/tarantino/archive/interviews/leone.htm
-- 
"Mend your speech a little,
Lest it may mar your fortunes."
[K.L.]

 I'll keep an ear on Mr Darcy ;)
Actually, I haven't seen it yet, but he was *supposed* to be posh-sounding,
wasn't he? Darcy is really, really posh.
Bye, FB

 wasn't he? Darcy is really, really posh.
The Darcy character in Bridget Jones was modelled on Colin Firth's Darcy in
Pride and Prejudice. Quite a good likeness as it turned out...
Yes. He doesn't sound so posh in Fever Pitch, but then again he *wasn't*
supposed to sound so posh in that!

 
http://tarantino.webds.de/tarantino/archive/interviews/leone.htm
I won't read this till I've seen the film... and the extras...

 Pride and Prejudice. Quite a good likeness as it turned out...
I see, now. Have you ever seen "Valmont"? Unfortunately I've seen it in
French only, some time ago. I'm afraid Firth is posh there, too...
Bye, FB

 I'm afraid Firth is posh there, too...
It obviously works for him. He does exactly what it says on the tin. Isn't
that right Enrico?

 that right Enrico?
Garantito al limone ;)
-- 
"And you, my gentle knight, give me your thoughts."
[H. V]

 It obviously works for him.
We are going to see him soon as Vermeer. Posh even there? Maybe...
Bye, FB

Never heard of any of the rest, so I'm very pleased you have mentioned them.
You should see "camera cafè", it's damn funny. :)
But no dvd or vhs :/
www.cameracafe.it
If you want I can record some episodes on a vhs and send it to you,
it's not a problem.
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