Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Are you sfotting me ?

Stavo chattando con un amico Inglese (inglese madrelingua) e questi mi
prendeva per il culo, simpaticamente e amichevolmente. Insomma, quello che
in italiano è espresso al meglio dallo slang "sfottere". Ho provato a
chiedergli "Are you teasing me ?" e lui ha fatto fatica a capire, pensando
al primo momento che mi fossi offeso gravemente.
Allora gli ho appunto detto che io intendevo una traduzione per la parola
italiana "sfottere" che dovrebbe significare un "friendly and humorous
teasing".
Mi ha detto che "to tease" oltre che desueto, non è adatto al caso.
Mi ha consigliato invece di usare due frasi, che non ricordo bene in quanto
eravamo in chat, e per questo chiedo aiuto a voi.
La prima era, credo qualcosa come "take the piss". L'altra sempre con il
take un po' più strana.
Come si dice "sfottere simpaticamente" in Inglese ?
Esistono differenze Inglese / Americano ?
grazie
Lapo

 Mi ha detto che "to tease" oltre che desueto, non è adatto al caso.
credo che "to pull one's leg" o "to mock" vadano bene

 Come si dice "sfottere simpaticamente" in Inglese ?
Are you making fun of me?
Ciao
Fabio

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Concordo, ma "to mock" (negli USA) significa "to make fun of": to pretend
to copy someone's manners, behavior or way of speaking, and not necessarily
in a nice way, although I would imagine if someone asked "Are you mocking
me?" it would most often be asked in a friendly, joking context. However,
since mocking someone can be insulting, it isn't necessarily a friendly
thing to do. The context tells all.
In addition to "pull one's leg" there's the somewhat slangier "yank one's
chain" (also slightly coarser), and "dick one" (where "dick" is a verb of
very low acceptance,) "dick" being a penis; so "are you dicking me" sort of
means "mi stai inculando?" literally. This is almost always said as a joke,
but be careful if you use it, because it's very coarse.
Also, "Are you funnin' with me?" (very regional, southern.)
"Are you for real?", but this implies disbelief in what the person is
saying, rather than a joking exchange.
These days, the word "tease" isn't very common, except maybe in the sense
of sexually. A "cock tease" is someone who is very playful in a sexual way,
but doesn't always (or ever) engage in sexual activity with the person
being teased.
-- 
Pear pea a chair, Ray. Core Reggie eel me oh eat alien, oh... :)
Joey DoWop, working on a temporary account.

being teased.
Oh, I thought it was "cock teaser", but "cock tease" is more common. 
Sebastiano

Lapo
UK
formale:
Taking the mickey (o mick)
informale:
Taking the piss. (è un'espressione molto comune qui)

 Taking the piss. (è un'espressione molto comune qui)
Be careful of using this one in the States... although I've never heard
"taking *the* piss", "taking *a* piss" is very common here, but means
(apparently) something very different. :)
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(apparently) something very different. :)
We have that here also. "Drain the weasel" is a particular favorite of
mine from your neck of the woods :)

 Mi ha detto che "to tease" oltre che desueto, non è adatto al caso.
Non preoccuparti, si può dire 'are you teasing me'. È un'espressione
educata, e forse per questa ragione il tuo amico ha detto che non è adatta
per il chat in cui si dice sempre slang. La connotazione sessuale di
'teasing' non c'entra in questo contesto.

 mine from your neck of the woods :)
I've always said "drain the monster" :)
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What I wanted to express to Lapo is that because of the connotation of the
verb "to tease" these days (to tantalize especially by arousing desire or
curiosity without intending to satisfy it) it is very often taken that way,
and even if there isn't an overt element of a sexual nature, it most often
hints at an intimacy or flippancy that might not be appropriate in the
given context.
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 given context.
Further: especially between two men.
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 Taking the mickey (o mick)
THIS ! This was my English friend suggested to use ! :)

Thank you very much to you all !!!

I've always said "drain the monster" :)
LOL!, Well I guess some of us have a monster and some of us have a
weasel <BG>.

 >I've always said "drain the monster" :)
"Tap a keg" is common.
"See a man about a horse" is also common.
"Tinkle" is a word mothers use with their little children.   :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

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Since we're verging on the polite, you can also say "Excuse me, I need to
wash my face (or 'hands')."
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weasel <BG>.
Well, some might call it "one-eyed snake". What are we talking about?
^_^
Sebastiano

 a particular favorite of mine from your neck of the woods
What does "from your neck of the woods" mean here?
Bye, FB
-- 
"What meaning of this, Mitter Twain?". "I will tell you, Mr Wang, if you
can tell me why a man who possesses one of the most brilliant minds of this
century can't say his prepositions or articles".
(Murder by Death)

 Bye, FB
It means "from your vicinity" "from your neighborhood/city/country" "where
you come from"
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 I've always said "drain the monster" :)
what does "to take a piss" mean? :)
even though I can imagine its meaning... I just want to be sure :)

what does "to take a piss" mean? :)
Far pipě.
Sebastiano

 Esistono differenze Inglese / Americano ?
"Mar care, mess tie up pee upper eel cool or?".
Bye, FB
-- 
Se dico "siedi!" manca l'oggetto.
Siedo chi? Lei o me?
(da it.cultura.linguistica.italiano)

 Far pipì.
ecco :-)

ecco :-)
E il resto è "male-to-male" talk.
Come il mio amico che, in italiano, mi dice "vado a dar da bere al
pipistrello". O chi dice "vado a svuotare il caimano". O cose del
genere.
Sebastiano

 genere.
beh quelli li avevo capiti ^_^;;;;;;
amo il male to male talk :-)

amo il male to male talk :-)
It's a very deep kind of literature, that's for sure. :)
Sebastiano

 It's a very deep kind of literature, that's for sure. :)
just a few people among poets and philosophers can notice its finest shades,
indeed :-)

 "Mar care, mess tie up pee upper eel cool or?".
All I can get is "il culo" ... :(
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indeed :-)
QUOTE
"The Journal of Literature by Mike Rotch, I.P. Freely and Hugh Jass" 
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Male-to-male talk is a mythopoetic universe where periods and commas
are expressed with belches and farts. It's the way trolls communicate.
On the other hand, female talk is more aleatory, more ethereal. It's
more like the way fairies communicate. The meaning of words can be
blown away in a heartbeat. Normally the core of communication is
within the words and the way those words are uttered. In female talk
the way one utters a concept is the main pillar of comprehension. A
key sentence is "It's not what you said, it's the WAY that you said
it". It's like staring at an abstract painting hanging upside down: if
you're not an expert, you won't notice. If you're not an expert in
female talk, you'll get burned.
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Sebastiano

 "Mar care, mess tie up pee upper eel cool or?".
I don't get "mar care". Se lo leggo con accento British, forse voleva
dire "ma che". Credo volesse dire "me stai a pija per il culo"?,
romano per "mi stai prendendo per il culo?"  Anzi, in romano sarebbe
"me stai a pijà perculo?", credo.
Sebastiano

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I should've known FB would be using British pronunciation... <doh>
Grazie, Seba.
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 wrote:
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Taking of "culo" (ass right?) What's the group it.fan.culo all about?

Grazie, Seba.
Dean ooh lah!
Sebastiano

Taking of "culo" (ass right?) What's the group it.fan.culo all about?
"fanculo" means "fuck you". The word "fan" also means, well, "fan",
like "it.fan.tv.friends". That group is for people yelling at each
other, I think. :)
Sebastiano

 Taking of "culo" (ass right?) What's the group it.fan.culo all about?
Jonny! I'm flabbergasted! You're British, aren't you? Shouldn't you be
saying "arse"? :p
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 "me stai a pijà perculo?", credo.
"Pel" (per + il *), credo.
* che è italianissimo, ancorché desueto.
Ciao, FB
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I should have said "grassy, eh?"
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* che è italianissimo, ancorché desueto.
Come "col", con + il, che io adoro. D'altra parte, si dice "col
cavolo!" e non "con il cavolo!". :)
Sebastiano

I should have said "grassy, eh?"
And I would have answered "preggo, figure ahh tee". No, I wouldn't.
Sebastiano

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So they argue for the sake of it? how strange. Mind you, I love the
Monty Python sketch: Is this the place for an argument?

saying "arse"? :p
Normally I would but I know Seb likes/understands Americanisms.

 Normally I would but I know Seb likes/understands Americanisms.
Well, I would have understood "arse", don't you worry. :)
When it comes to swearing, I am international. ^_^ 
Sebastiano

 Sebastiano
lo quoto tutto: è splendido

 it". 
Mi ricorda qualcuno; no, qualcuna.
-- 
Xakero

 cavolo!" e non "con il cavolo!". :)
E come in una chiesa storica, sulla cassetta delle elemosini incassata nel
muro: "PEI MORTI".
-- 
Xakero

 muro: "PEI MORTI".
*elemosine*
Whoa, money for the dead? What do they need cash for?
Anyway, never, never use "pei". It would sound poetic or Roman.
However, feel free to use "col", if you want. It's a lovely term and you'll
hear it all the time. You *have* to use "col" in sentences like "col
cavolo!", but if you are talking about cooking, I think you should say "con
il cavolo..." but "col cavolo" would not be wrong.
You can't use "colla" (con + la)  and "cogli" (con + gli), though. You can
use "coi" (con + i) when talking, but I wouldn't write it. I do write
"col", when I am writing informally. In a formal essay, I would probably
use "con il".
Sebastiano

 Anyway, never, never use "pei". It would sound poetic or Roman.
Nope, in Roman it's *pe' i..* the stress is different ;PpP
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 Nope, in Roman it's *pe' i..* the stress is different ;PpP
Oh, I see. :)
Sebastiano