Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: (OT)  Infostrada advert

Has anyone seen this TV advert on Canale 5 where an old man is sitting
on a sofa with a young man? The young man speaks in a high pitched
voice. It's the old man that I am curious about. He seemed to speak
Italian in a very English way. He said "gratis" exactly how it would
be said in English, and "parlare" like me :) Was he mimicking an
English accent? is he English? or something else?
The old and the young man can be seen here in the macromedia flash
advert at the top
http://www.wind.it/it/privati/profilo/wind_privati_home_profilo1.php?MK=1

Italian in a very English way.
Mike Buongiorno?
He's American. He came to Italy during the war (no, not the first, the
second world war) and discovered how easily the Italians can be ... what's
the English for 'rincoglioniti'? by television.
He's a pretty smart old chap, even though he pretends to be a little dumb.
cheers,
Peltio

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I haven't visited the page, but Mike Bongiorno doesn't have a foreign
accent at all. He can speak English, though most of the time he pronounces
English names in a preposterous, excessively Italian way (es. [san
fran'tSisko]).
Bye, FB
-- 
"Suppose I say I'm not interested."
"Does five hundred dollars interest you?"
"Very much."
"Then bring it: it's an expensive restaurant".
(The Cheap Detective)

 be said in English
:D
La nuova pubblicita' in cui Fiorello e Mike imitano Stan
Laurel e Oliver Hardy
Ho sentito che nei primi film di Stanlio e Olio (cosi' chiamiamo Laurel
and Hardy) erano gli stessi attori Americani a doppiare i loro film, e per
questo avevano tale cadenza. La cosa e' piaciuta molto al pubblico
italiano, al punto che persino doppiatori successivi (fra cui anche
Alberto Sordi) hanno mantenuto l'accento.
ciao

e lo facevano anche per le altre lingue:
 "Because dubbing was still difficult at the start of the sound era, 
[films] were shot in various languages," a spokesman for the museum said.
The silver screen relic is from the early years of Hollywood when many
famous stars such as Greta Garbo and Buster Keaton would dub their films
in various languages to reach a world audience. However most of those
films have been lost.
     Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy spoke phonetically in German with the
     help of speech coaches and cue cards, while native speakers replaced
     the original supporting cast. Laurel and Hardy remade several of
     their shorts for foreign audiences in Spanish, French and even
     Italian. 
http://www.filmbuffonline.com/News/GermanLaurelHardy.htm

fran'tSisko]).
He was impersonating Oliver Hardy apparently. I thought perhaps he was
mimicking an English accent. I was curious to know if that is how an
English accent is perceived in Italy. I could here myself the
Englishness in his accent, I would describe it 'lazy', an English
person speaking Italian without putting any effort in.

ciao
Molto interessante, anche l'altro posto di te.
Grazie ancora.


Thanks for the info.

the English for 'rincoglioniti'? by television.
"Dumbed down"? :-) (You're being far too harsh about dear old Mike,
though!)
-- 
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching
http://web.tiscali.it/alfabeto_auschwitz/index.htm

 
http://www.wind.it/it/privati/profilo/wind_privati_home_profilo1.php?MK=1
I can't see any advert here. I only view a page that seems to be a homepage
of Wind for private users.
Bye, FB
-- 
"Melissa [P.] spazzola Thomas Fazi"
(notizia apparsa su it.cultura.libri)

of Wind for private users.
That's what it is, but there's a small changing advert at the top. You
need to have the macromedia flash plugin for your browser.

"Dumbed down"? :-)
I'd rather say 'zombiefied'.
Il Picchi mi da 'to make stupid' e, inaspettatamente per me,  'stupefy' per
'istupidire'.
(You're being far too harsh about dear old Mike, though!)
Mike? He's the smart one.
It's the zombies in front of the TV screens I'm being a little harsh about.
: )
cheers,
Peltio

 It's the zombies in front of the TV screens I'm being a little harsh about.
I loathe Italian television, but if you give it some thought, one can't
blame dear old Mike: he's always hosted quizzes, so the decadence of our tv
doesn't seem attributable to him.
(Do you remember the argument with Vittorio Sgarbi? Most likely Mike had
been told to provoke Sgarbi unfairly, and the latter fell for it. As usual,
I might add...
Bye, FB
-- 
Conversation like television set on honeymoon: unnecessary.
(Murder by Death)

 doesn't seem attributable to him.
His quizzes were fun, you had to be an expert on some subjects to win big
money, but then you could lose everything at the very last minute!*. 
Now TV contestants can win millions of euros just guessing the lucky pot.
That's a morally harmful example, I dare say.
-- 
Enrico C
==================================
it-alt.politica.referendum
(I si e i no che dividono gli italiani)

I'd rather say 'zombiefied'.
"Wooden" è un aggettivo simile a questo e si usa per descrivere alcuni
presentatori televisivi.

 presentatori televisivi.
so Mike is kinda wooden and dull isn't he? :)
You should watch "Genius" in order to fully find how
ridiculous he gets when he tries to show the audience and kids he can
pronounce
English words correctly taking long pauses between an English word and the
rest of the sentence, almost interrupting the question he asks (and the tv
show itself, eheh).
http://www.radio.rai.it/radio2/vivaradio2/audio.cfm
This is "viva radio 2" website, there are audio samples where Fiorello mocks
the old Mike
at the very end of every audio file, you wouldn't want to miss it would you
:)


I can't get them to work in Firefox or IE. Do I need some sort of
plugin?

 plugin?
It's real player, I uploaded a version of my plugin on my webspace
http://digilander.iol.it/Dilan3/nppl3260.dll
 , it should be enough to copy
it into firefox
plugin folder.
Please, let me know if that works.

Please, let me know if that works.
It doesn't :(  The problem is at my end. I have realplayer installed
but the program doesn't work. I can't even uninstall it, to reinstall
it. XP tells me there's no uninstall for it, oh well. Thanks all the
same.

He is on an Italian tv program that generally airs on Italia 1 at 2:10 pm
It's aired on Rete 4.
If you want to see how Mike was 30 years ago:
http://www.teche.rai.it/multiteca/video/2001_2/rischiatutto.ram
'bye

It doesn't :(  The problem is at my end. I have realplayer installed
Ouch.
Have a look on Google for the Real Alternative player.
Free, no ads, no spyware and it's a cinch to install.
It's made by the free software people.
cheers,
Peltio

 It's aired on Rete 4.
Right, I'm sorry!