Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Oca

Non parliamo di pennuti.
Qualche giorno fa un collega gay ed anglofono mi ha dato dell'"oca" in
maniera molto colorita, con una frase che peraltro già conoscevo: "You
twat"
La parola "twat" sembra essere censita solo da un dizionario, il
Merriam Webster, dove peraltro è associata alla pronuncia /twAt/, cioè
/twot/ ['thwQt] britannico.
Io l'ho sempre sentita pronunciata ['thw&t], con la vocale di "cat".
Domanda 1: qual'è la pronuncia comune, almeno in questa accezione?
E domanda 2: l'uso della parola è socialmente circoscritto come "oca"
in italiano, o si può anche dire ad un amico non gay nel senso di
"scemo"?
Grazie

 Grazie
 From Oxford-Paravia:
TWAT
1 VOLG. (female genitals) fica
2 VOLG. SPREG. (person) coglione, minchione
indi mi sa č un pň piů pesante di "oca"...
ora ti vendicherai dell'offesa subita?


Universal usage - no particular connection to gays at all .
Very vulgar , tho' becoming more widely used , I suppose . I rather enjoy
swearing , but I never use the word , and I suggest you'd be better not
doing so either ; you'd certainly risk offending the sensitivities of a lot
of people .
Mike

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It's pretty common here, but usually only as a vulgar anatomical
reference. I've never heard it used as a pejorative. I don't think I
have ever heard it on TV or in a film. It has a much greater taboo
associated with it than the "f"-word. Even the technical anatomical
word, used by doctors, etc., is avoided. On an episode of Seinfeld, he
couldn't remember the name of an old girl friend, only that her name
rhymed with a female body part. At the end of the episode he remembers
the girl''s name: "Delores"!
We pronounce it the same as the French word "toit". I wonder if there
is some relation between the words, although the dictionary says its
etymology is unknown?
I agree that it is a word best avoided.
Joe from Massachusetts

 We pronounce it the same as the French word "toit". 
What, with a silent "t"? How odd.
-- 
Mary

 Domanda 1: qual'è la pronuncia comune, almeno in questa accezione?
Come per tante altre parole, c'è una variazione fra la pronuncia americana
e quella britannica. Quindi, ambidue le pronuncie sono comune, sui loro
lati dell'Atlantico.
Il "English Pronouncing Dictionory" da, infatti, la pronuncia del vocale
esattamente come "cat". Vedi anche
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?dict=CALD&key=85619&ph=on
 e
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?dict=CALD&key=11841&ph=on
-- 
Xakero

 of people .
Definitely.
Stick to "twit" :-)
-- 
Mary

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Not with the silent "t". I should have said as if it were spelled the
same as the French word.
The word not often seen, but often heard.
Joe from Massachusetts

Giņ
A man has dreams of walking with giants,
to carve his niche in the edifice of time.
Before the mortar of his zeal
has a chance to congeal
the cup is dashed from his lips,
the flame is snuffed aborning.

 ora ti vendicherai dell'offesa subita?
No no, da gay a gay č un termine talmente "worn out" che non si puň
tradurre "coglione". La semantica va sempre molto contestualizzata.
Il problema č che non lěho mai sentita fuori dal contesto, non ce l'ho
su nessun dizionario, e non so darle un senso fuori dal contesto.
Invece mi insegni che la parola in un contesto cone meno presupposti
va intesa come molto piů "contemptuous".

 tradurre "coglione".
Cambierà l'intenzione, ma non può aumentare o diminuire la volgarità. 
[...]
Ciao, FB
-- 
"You must have had a most happy childhood there."
"Er, it was terrific."
"I'm so glad."
"No, I didn't mean it that way."
"I'm so sorry."
("The Philadelphia Story")

 volgarità.
Tempo fa avevo trovato che qualcuno ce l'ha come cognome.
-- 
My method is to take the utmost trouble to find the right thing
to say.  And then say it with the utmost levity.
    -- G.B. Shaw

 of people .
One doesn’t often see "twat" in a reputable newspaper but The Guardian,
quoting famous Peter O'Toole, printed it twice in today's edition.
QUOTE
Peter O'Toole is not a fan of modern theatre - or, as he puts it, the
"badly done shit" performed by "smart-aleck twats" that passes for
contemporary theatre.
...
"That was their remit - not whether a third-rate biddable arsehole could do
39 productions of As You Like It upside down with red noses. The bulbous
state-run theatre provides a healthy living for smart-aleck twats."
UNQUOTE
Source: 
http://snipurl.com/dqhv
-- 
Xakero

 Tempo fa avevo trovato che qualcuno ce l'ha come cognome.
Beh, c'è gente che si chiama Dick di nome.
:-)))
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio
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 :-)))
E nei pub inglesi si serve lo spotted dick.
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Xakero

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Some people are too timid to utter the phrase.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2249273.stm
Joe from Massachusetts

 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2249273.stm
Un ulteriore esempio di una correttezza politica esagerata.
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Xakero

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I wouldn't call it political correctness. I'm sure some Italians would
hesitate to order "spaghetti alla puttanesca" in a restaurant.
Joe from Massachusetts

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I wouldn't, of course, but some children may really think it's not quite
fine to say it.
Bye, FB
-- 
Nasalization is just a part of life.
(Joey DoWop Dee on it.cultura.linguistica.inglese)

 fine to say it.
FB, excuse the criticism, but it's time to delete the word "fine" from
your vocabulary.
-- 
Mary

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Isn't it f... Why? 
Bye, FB
-- 
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"It", which is a battery-powered two-wheel people mover. Many believe it
will completely revolutionize the way people get hit by cars.
(Saturday Night Live)

 but some children may really think it's not quite fine to say it.
Did you mean "non è molto fine" or "non va molto bene"?
-- 
Mary

 quite fine to say it.
Not only children. Even some old ladies, I guess!
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it." 

 Did you mean "non è molto fine" or "non va molto bene"?
The latter. Why?
Bye, FB
-- 
"Enjoying yourself, Elfine?"
"It's going to be such fun!"
"No, it's going to be amusing or diverting, not such fun, darling."
(Cold Comfort Farm, the film)

 your vocabulary.
What?
"I'm fine.", "That's fine." and similar seem ... fine... to me.
What's wrong with them?

 What's wrong with them?
Nothing, as I said in my last post, but I noticed that FB's been using
the word "fine" wrongly quite a lot recently, so I thought I'd mention
it.
-- 
Mary

 The latter. Why?
Firstly, there's a grammatical mistake.
I can't think of any case where you could use "quite" to qualify "fine"
(except when you're talking about fine weather). It's a bit like saying
"fairly unique". I think the reason is that "fine"'s closer to
"benissimo" than "bene", and you wouldn't say "abbastanza benissimo".
Secondly, it's not idiomatic to use "fine" in a negative sentence like
this.
You could say "it's not right/acceptable/appropriate/a good idea" to say
it. 
In practice, a native speaker would probably say "some children might
think it was rude."
-- 
Mary

 hesitate to order "spaghetti alla puttanesca" in a restaurant.
Tradition! Tradition!
If a popular food has had a certain name for centuries and them comes along
some silly bureaucrat and bans that name because he thinks -- he didn’t ask
anybody -- that some people might be offended by that name, I call it
exaggerated political correctness, whether it be in England or in Italy.
-- 
Xakero

 of people .
One doesn't often see "twat" in a reputable newspaper but The Guardian,
quoting famous Peter O'Toole, printed it twice in a recent edition.
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 exaggerated political correctness, whether it be in England or in Italy.
I'm normally against political correctness but I'd make fun of someone who
would
feel embarassed in ordering dishes like "pennette alla puttanesca" just
because
that "puttanesca" reminds people of prostitutes.
I'd say it's a little childish behaviour.


I said some people might be hesitant to use the phrase.
People like Dr. Antonio and his sister in the segment entitled "Le
tentazioni del dottor Antonio" in the film "Boccaccio 70". Dottor
Antonio was the one who was tempted by the huge billboard of a
reclining voluptuous Anita Ekberg drinking a glass of milk, while
children on a recorded message sang "Bevi piů latte". His sister was a
repressed "zitella" who had rapturous visions.
Joe from Massachusetts

 repressed "zitella" who had rapturous visions.
So that's where it all comes from, the rapturous visions. It's all
beginning to make sense to me, now  :-)
-- 
Xakero

 -- 
I imagine that one of her rapturous visions was a nice plate of
"spaghetti alla puttanesca", but in her prudery she could never bring
herself to utter the word, and spent her life unfulfilled.  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 hesitate to order "spaghetti alla puttanesca" in a restaurant.
I thought you made that on up, the "spaghetti alla puttanesca", but now I
found that it really exists, at least in America: 
http://www.thatsmyhome.com/venettos/pasta/spaghetti-puttanesca.htm
I hope Lothian, our Pastaman in London, is reading this; there are lots
more pasta recipes available on that site. He hasn't got Spaghetti
Puttanesca on his menu (
http://www.pastaman.co.uk
) yet, but I figure there
is a limit to the number of items he can reasonbly offer at one time, the
limit being the size of his kitchen and the number of his cooks.
(I hope things are going well for you, Lothian)
-- 
Xakero