Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: dubbio

salve
e' corretto tradurre questa frase in questo modo?
e'  troppo stupido per non farlo
he's too much stupid to not to do it
il mio dubbio e' piu che altro il "per non farlo" se sia o meno
corretto dire "to not to do  it"
tnx

 he's too much stupid to not to do it
Al massimo "too (much) stupid not to do it".
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
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know absolutely everything, and people who know absolutely nothing." (Oscar 
Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray) 

> Al massimo "too (much) stupid not to do it".
Vuoi dire "(much) too stupid not to do it".
antonio
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'much too ...' 

 Vuoi dire "(much) too stupid not to do it".
Questi sono tutti errati, quindi?
http://www.google.it/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-31,GGLG:it&q=too+much+stupid
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
P.S. Chiedo solo, non ne ho idea.
 ;-)
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http://www.google.it/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-31,GGLG:it&q=too+much+stupid
No, se parlano di "too much stupid stuff". :)
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http://www.google.it/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-31,GGLG:it&q=too+much+stupid
Blimey, 33,900,000 people can't be wrong!
Hang on a sec, though.
http://www.google.it/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=it&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-31%2CGGLG%3Ait&btnG=Cerca+con+Google&as_epq=too+much+stupid&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images
823 risultati. Leggendo bene pero' i risultati si riferiscono a contesti
diversi, es. "too much stupid stuff" cioe' "much" va con "stuff" non con
"stupid". Se vuoi rafforzare "too stupid", "much" lo devi mettere avanti.
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He's too stupid for not doing it


lol vabbe grazie per avermi fatto notare del " too much stupid" il
punto della domanda era se quel "to not to see it" era errato quindi
il "per" della frase "per non farlo" traducendo solo "not do it" è
sottinteso e quindi non traducibile con il "to" che io avevo messo? 

 punto della domanda era se quel "to not to see it" era errato 
Si. Puoi dire giustamente in 2 modi:
he is too stupid not to do it
he is too stupid for not doing it
antonio
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Well , if the second (b) means anything it is almost exactly the opposite of 
the first (a) :
in (a) it is 'doing it' that is stupid ; in (b) 'not doing it' is stupid
in (a) 'it' is not yet done ; in (b) 'it' has been done
Whilst you might arguably construct a context in which (b) is possible , it 
isn't natural and I don't think you'd find anyone saying or writing it . 
Actually , I'm only treading carefully here - really I think it's simply 
wrong . In summary , I don't think it's English ; but if it is , it doesn't 
mean the same as (a) .
Mike

 mean the same as (a) .
Even Google doesn't like it! :)
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 "stupid". Se vuoi rafforzare "too stupid", "much" lo devi mettere avanti.
Ah ok.
Quindi se dico "too much stupid stuff", voglio dire "troppa roba stupida", 
mentre se dico "much too stupid stuff" intendo dire "roba troppo stupida".
Grazie per il chiarimento!
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
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 mentre se dico "much too stupid stuff" intendo dire "roba troppo stupida".
"Roba di gran lunga troppo stupida", "decisamente troppo stupida".
Ciao, FB
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1 He is too stupid not to squander all his money.
It means that he is stupid so he will squander all his money.
2 He is too stupid for not squandering all his money.
It may mean the same as before.
It may also mean that he is stupid because he hasn't squandered all his
money.
Perhaps it just doesn't mean anything, I agree.
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 Perhaps it just doesn't mean anything, I agree.
"To not squander" is not incorrect, despite someone's aversion to split
infinitives.
Bye, FB
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Incantato s'è incantato.
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Mike 


I've never seen any reason for not splitting infinitives , though the fact
remains that the unsplit and split infinitives are by no means always
equally valid options from an idiomatic/stylistic point of view ; no-one ,
for example , would ever say 'I told him to not do it' rather than 'I told
him not to do it' , whereas it would be quite natural to say 'I would like
to categorically deny , as a Liberal Party leadership contender , any
involvement in covert homosexual activity , either commercial or otherwise.'
Mike