Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Dov'è il Kent?

Nel mio solito vecio dizionario leggo che il Kent (so 
perfettamente dov'è) ha due specie di abitanti:
Kentish man: nativo della parte occidentale;
Man of Kent: nativo della parte orientale.
Curiosità.
Si usa ancora? (dubito)
Si dice Kentshire? cioè si suffissa in questo caso?
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 Si dice Kentshire? cioè si suffissa in questo caso?
No, just Kent.
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Mary

but I shouldn't think many Brits have ever heard those expressions.
No I haven't. There are the obvious ones that everyone knows like
Mancunian (Manchester), Liverpudlian (Liverpool), Geordie (Newcastle).
I suppose we're Leicesterians (ex in your case) but like Kentish, it's
not commonly said.
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 No, just Kent.
Grazie Mary.
Scusa, Cassidy è un cognome irlandese?
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 Scusa, Cassidy č un cognome irlandese?
Sě - i miei antenati furoni irlandesi.
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Mart

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Perbacchi! Piů concordati di cosě si muori.
Ciao, FB
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 Perbacchi! Piů concordati di cosě si muori.
Uffa e strauffa!
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Mary

 Mart
Oops - sarebbe ora di scoprire come creare un sigfile con Netscape.
Adesso ci provo.
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Mary
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Riprovo.
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Mary

 Mary
Eh, no, c'è la concordanza verbale transfrastica: "Mary" ==> "Riprovy".
Ciao, FB (ahia, ahia: mena, costei!)
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 Eh, no, c'č la concordanza verbale transfrastica: "Mary" ==> "Riprovy".
Non č giusto, non posso neanche sfogarmi con le parolacce qui...
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Mary


Nope! Neither Norfolkshire or Sussexshire! It's just Kent, Norfolk,
Sussex...  :-)
BTW, a common mistake among Italians is to pronounce  the "i" in the
"shire" county suffix with the same sound as the "i" in the word "shire".
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 "shire" county suffix with the same sound as the "i" in the word "shire".
They can never imbrock "shire" in the first place.
Bye, FB
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 "shire" in the first place.
Actually I didn't mean the most correct British pron, but something more
like the US pron
:)
See the  M-W for instance
Pronunciation: 'shIr, in place-name compounds "shir, sh&r
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 >No, just Kent.
E' interessante, no, che la stragande maggioranze delle contade
brittaniche (Scozia e Gallese comprese) non hanno un aggettivo. Ci sono
"Kentish" e "Cornish".... altri? 
"A Shropshire Lad", va benissimo.
"A Shropshirian Lad", ridicolo.
Anche, per esempio, quelle contade senza lo "shire".
"A Devon village"
("Devonian" esiste: ma e' un termine della geologia).
Effetivemente il nome stesso diventa l'aggettivo. Per gli abitanti, e'
uguale. (In Scozia, uno di Fife e' un Fifer, ma penso che sia la sola
eccezione.)
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brittaniche 
"stragrande maggioranza delle contee britanniche" :)
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 Non è giusto, non posso neanche sfogarmi con le parolacce qui...
dai, chiudiamo un occhio :)
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 "shire" county suffix with the same sound as the "i" in the word "shire".
??
What's the correct pronunciation, then?
Tschüss,
Enrico il Pentolaio
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When it's part of the name of a county, e.g. Yorkshire, it rhymes with
"dear".
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Mary

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Or "shirt", with no "t".
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 Or "shirt", with no "t".
Yes, much more common than "sheer", which is usually either dialect or
deliberately exaggerated. "aar, down 'ere in Lincolnsheer".
"Lincolnshr" would be normal, with no stress at all on the "shr".
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 dai, chiudiamo un occhio :)
a proposito, questa come si traduce in Inglese? :)
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 deliberately exaggerated. "aar, down 'ere in Lincolnsheer".
Really? I certainly wouldn't pronounce the vowel in "-shire" to rhyme
with "shirt". 
That sounds really odd to me, and I don't have any kind of regional
accent.
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Mary

 "dear".
Really??
I would have said "shaiar" without any doubt :-)))
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 I would have said "shaiar" without any doubt :-)))
To rhyme with liar or dire? No, but a lot of Americans make that
mistake.
It's only pronounced like that when it's a standalone word (the Shire).
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Mary

 Non è giusto, non posso neanche sfogarmi con le parolacce qui...
Mandamele in mail, le posto io, in forma anonima. ;)
Sebastiano

 a proposito, questa come si traduce in Inglese? :)
"we'll look the other way."
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 "we'll look the other way."
grazie mille :)
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Yeah, whatever...

In article <41A206B3...@invalid.invalid>, Mary Cassidy
<ma...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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Yorkshr, Buckinghamshr, Northamptonshr... No? (where the "r" represents
a kind of  half-schwa (!) not an r sound.)
Or the classic "In Hertford, Hereford and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly
ever happen."  Where Professor Higgins says "Hampsh'".  (At least when
played by Rex Harrison.
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 It's only pronounced like that when it's a standalone word (the Shire).
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a proposito, questa come si traduce in Inglese? :)
"chiudere un occhio su" = "to turn a blind eye to"
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dappertutto nella GB senza un minimo problema. D'accordo?
Yes, agreed, but my point was that it would not be commonly said. I
know that a Glasweigen is from Glasgow, however I've no idea how to
descibe somebody from Edinburgh in that way.

 Edinburgh in that way.
Edinburger?
:-)
Edinburghian, forse?
 
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Today no, tomorrow yes.


Hampshire County, Massachusetts, is not far from where I live, and it
is pronounced in the same way here as in the UK. No "shaiar" here. I
wonder how "Middlesex" (another Massachusetts County) is pronounced in
the UK? Here it is pronounced "Middle-sex".
Joe from Massachusetts

 
Già, hai ragione ;)

the UK? Here it is pronounced "Middle-sex".
Esattamente lo stesso.

 the UK? Here it is pronounced "Middle-sex".
Same here.
"Belvoir" (pron. "beaver") is a placename that always puzzles
foreigners.
(Freudian train of thought there...)
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Mary

 (Freudian train of thought there...)
Well, there was that rude version of the Twelve Days of Christmas
involving "And My Lord Montague of Beaulieu."   :)
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 foreigners.
And "Beauchamp".
Bye, FB
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 persuasion.
How do you pronounce it?
Bye, FB
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"The doctors found out that Bunbury could not live, that is what I mean—so
Bunbury died."
"He seems to have had great confidence in the opinion of his physicians."
("The Importance of Being Earnest", Oscar Wilde)

 How do you pronounce it?
 
It rhymes with "duly".
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Mary

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You can't beat a bit of Beaulieu (I know, terrible)


In the US, there is a historic military base in Virginia, near
Washington, D.C., named Fort Belvoir, and it is pronounced in the
French way.
One place where we mangle the French pronunciation of a place name is
in Pierre, South Dakota. Most Americans say "Pierre" as the French do,
but the people who live there say "Peer".
Joe from Massachusetts

 (Freudian train of thought there...)
I've never heard of it, but I did drive through Cockermouth.

 Esattamente lo stesso.
Non l'avevano abolito facendo la Greater London?
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 say "Peer".
Missouri è un esempio dei tanti toponimi francesi o nativi 
scritti alla francese che avete nelle grandi pianure e 
dintorni (altri: Detroit, Chicago(*), Des Moines, Illinois)
La grande Louisiana esplorata e trafficata dai francesi 
prima che dagli inglesi.
In Canada ci sono ancora paesi francesi nella grande 
pianura centrale, mi pare.
(*) la prima volta che l'ho sentito mi ha stupito sentire 
pronunciare Shi-cah-gow.
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 dintorni
Mizzuri?
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Bye, FB
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 Mizzuri?
Ho scritto "scritti", non ho scritto "detti".
Della pronuncia attuale non so che dire.
Se l'avessero scritto all'inglese, che parola veniva fuori?
Mizewree? Meezooray?
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 Ho scritto "scritti", non ho scritto "detti".
L'ho scritto solo per costringerti a rispondere con questa frase. (faccina
sorridente)
Ciao, FB
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"Please, do. I like to go off in style."
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 frase. (faccina sorridente)
Che perfidia luciferina.
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, jonny
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"Fae Edinbur' "
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