Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Aiuto [ebbene sì :-)]

Carissimi,
Vorrei tanto che qualcuno di voi potesse aiutarmi con due piccolini
problemini che sto affrontando in sede di stesura della mia tesi di
decrepita fuoricorsista.
1) Chi è o era John Bull? Non ho capito se si tratta di una figura
allegorica tipo lo "Zio Sam" americano o se si tratta di un personaggio
realmente esistito - ho già provato ad altavistarlo ma con risultati
nulli...
2) Qualcuno sa in quale parte di Macbeth si trovi il verso "stand not upon
the order of your going"?
Vi ringrazio fin da ora e se qualcuno risponde "arrangiati" avrebbe anche
ragione, ma consideratemi strisciante ai vostri piedi.
Ciao
Is

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:2) Qualcuno sa in quale parte di Macbeth si trovi il verso "stand not upon
:the order of your going"?
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LADY MACBETH
I pray you, speak not; he grows worse and worse;
Question enrages him. At once, good night:
Stand not upon the order of your going,
But go at once.
                          (Macbeth, III, iv)
Ciao,
Dario.
ITA


Act III, Scene 4.
Mary
(remove "nospam" to reply)

Mia Regina,
ACT III. SCENE IV
A Hall in the palace. A banquet prepared.
[... near the end of the scene...]
Exit Ghost.
    Why, so, being gone,
    I am a man again. Pray you sit still.
  LADY MACBETH. You have displaced the mirth, broke the good meeting,
    With most admired disorder.
  MACBETH. Can such things be,
    And overcome us like a summer's cloud,
    Without our special wonder? You make me strange
    Even to the disposition that I owe
    When now I think you can behold such sights
    And keep the natural ruby of your cheeks
    When mine is blanch'd with fear.
  ROSS. What sights, my lord?
  LADY MACBETH. I pray you, speak not; he grows worse and worse;
    Question enrages him. At once, good night.
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    Stand not upon the order of your going,
    But go at once.
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  LENNOX. Good night, and better health
    Attend his Majesty!
  LADY MACBETH. A kind good night to all!
                        Exeunt all but Macbeth and Lady Macbeth.
  MACBETH. will have blood; they say blood will have blood.
    Stones have been known to move and trees to speak;
    Augures and understood relations have
    By maggot pies and choughs and rooks brought forth
    The secret'st man of blood. What is the night?
Should you need the Play in ASCII format, let me know.
I took it from Guntenberg Project WebSite.
a thousand times good night,
Peltio
che ADORA Mino Scotilancia.

Mia Regina,
Adesso vado in bagno a piangere sotto la doccia così nessuno s'accorge...
Sniff...
Ciao :-D
Isa

    Attend his Majesty!
On the off chance that there is a reader out there in inglese-italiano
cyberspace wondering about the meaning of this line, here is a short
explanation.
In archaically hierarchical social constructs such as Shakespeare presumes
existed at the palace of Macbeth, the guests would leave in a strict order
dependent on social status, with the most important person leaving first. Lady
Macbeth is bidding the guests to leave immediately without concern for this
requirement.
If you find yourself in a situation appropriate to use this phrase in modern
life, please describe it to me because I have a hard time imagining one. As a
rather cynical observation, I find the following quote announced by
Shakespeare's Julius Caesar more appropriate to the modern corporate and
academic experience: (this is from memory so don't quote me)
Surround me with men that are fat,
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep-o-nights.
Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look,
he thinks too much, such men are dangerous.
Can't you just hear your boss thinking this? Well, maybe not word for word!
Ciao,
Ron
USA

Isa
Tutti sotto la doccia !!!

2) Qualcuno sa in quale parte di Macbeth 
Ti hanno gia` risposto. Aggiungo che il testo elettronico del Macbeth
e` contenuto nel Progetto Gutenberg (file 1WS3410.ZIP), mentre nel
sito del progetto Manuzio (
http://www.liberliber.it
) ne č disponibile
una traduzione italiana.
Ciao
Ferdinando Chiodo

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You cheeky little thing... :-)
Isa