Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Come tradurreste....

Ciao,
come tradurreste la seguente ?
"Mi sembrava strano che (esso) contasse anche se stesso"
inteso come "includesse anche se stesso nel conteggio"....
Grazie,
HyP 


It seemed strange to me that it counted itself too
intendendo che 'esso' si riferisca a un qualcosa come un contatore per
esempio

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I found it strange that he would include himself in the count.
(io userei il condizionale in inglese anche se  in italiano c'e il
congiuntivo)
gfc

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I found it strange that he would include himself in the count.
(io userei il condizionale in inglese anche se  in italiano c'e il
congiuntivo)
quindi intendi 'esso' come riferito a qualcuno 

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Mah...non so.  Potrebbe essere.  Comunque una volta che hanno la frase
fatta possono cambiare loro il pronome a piacimento.

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Usually, "esso" refers to objects or animals but it may refer to people 
in legal jargon.
Anyway I'm more interested in that "would". I guess it comes from the 
"will" in "I find it strange that he'll include himself in the count" 
(assuming it is correct).
Kiuhnm

 in legal jargon.
hmm, an oxymore? 

 hmm, an oxymore? 
oxymoron, but no, why?
Kiuhnm

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since Nino Manfredi's gags never have I heard 'esso' ascribed to a buddy :)

 since Nino Manfredi's gags never have I heard 'esso' ascribed to a buddy :)
You can find an example here:
http://www.demauroparavia.it/40806
Kiuhnm

 esempio
Grazie...in effetti era proprio riferito ad un contatore.
Cheers,
HyP 

congiuntivo)
Quindi qualcosa tipo: "Ho trovato strano che avesse incluso se stesso nel 
conteggio"...(con gli opportuni aggiustamenti it/itself)
Anche questa soluzione mi suona bene:-)
Grazie,
HyP

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l'esempio non fa che confermare il disuso del pronome riferito a una persona
di genere maschile almeno dal 1837 (anno della dipartita del marchigiano)

 di genere maschile almeno dal 1837 (anno della dipartita del marchigiano)
What the heck are you talking about?
http://www.google.it/search?hl=it&q=%22chi+per+esso%22&btnG=Cerca+con+Google&meta=
Kiuhnm

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come soggetto, non come complemento, of course 

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Si', esattamente, ma non chiedermi di spiegarti perche' ho usato
"would' nella frase.  Perhaps Joe or Tony or Raymot can comment on
that.  I am not even sure that would is the best choice.

 come soggetto, non come complemento, of course 
Who said that "chi per esso" is the only example? It might or might not be.
Kiuhnm

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anche se ci fossero, dico che 'esso' di norma non sostituisce egli o lui. 
Tutto qui. 

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Si', esattamente, ma non chiedermi di spiegarti perche' ho usato
"would' nella frase.  Perhaps Joe or Tony or Raymot can comment on
that.  I am not even sure that would is the best choice.
That's the fairness of English! 

 inteso come "includesse anche se stesso nel conteggio"....
It seemed strange to me that it would have also counted itself.
It seemed strange to the that it might also count itself.
It seemed strange to me for it to have also counted itself.
How many its could an it count if an it could count its?


let's see... in my opinion... er... only one ... an 'it'!

that.  I am not even sure that would is the best choice.
Because "would" makes it subjunctive. This would be used
if the speaker had heard of this from someone else, and
isn't really sure whether to believe it or not.
If the speaker had actually observed it, he would more 
likely say:
"I found it strange that he included himself in the count"
-- 
Raymot
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Brisbane, Aus.

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I might use 'should' rather than 'would' ; either way , it's an equivalent 
of the subjunctive .
Mike 

 "I found it strange that he included himself in the count"
If I remember correctly, "would" is also used when reporting habitual 
actions: "he would then turn on the TV, sit on his precious chair, [...]".
Kiuhnm

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Yes, that's true. But in our example, it only happened once
(I'm assuming), so it's not an habitual "would".
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