Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: World Wide - School of english

First of all, please, excuse my english but I had to begin writing in
english, sooner or later... and as been posted here, sooner is better
than later!
This morning I have been at the World Wide - School of English in my
city and there I knew this way to learn english. But, I think, to
learn english with them, I'd earn tenfold amount... Anyone knows these
schools? Anyone had reached the target they promise?
I think it's something like CEPU: I didn't like the way they propose,
it's too busy (160 euro par month for over twenthy months, then I
ought to pay for 20 or plus month, everything could be happened...)
they are silly. Besides a lot of your time is passed alone in front of
your pc with a software that leads your lesson...
  However I don't work at the moment and I can't prostitute my future
and doubtful money for something I consider a bad way for me...
It isn't important to know which is my city, the school I could attend
is that... and not another.
I pray you again you won't reproach my catastrophic language.
Alb her

You do not offend to me if you correct to me... on the contrary, you
support my English!
Alb Her

Giň
-Tutto ciň che puň esistere, esiste.
          (Tullio Regge)

 English, not just to learn it.
"Perfectionate"? I don't suppose it exists. You "improve" your skills,
don't you.
Bye, FB
-- 
"Qualcuno, meglio se un parente, dovrebbe comunicare a Xxxxxxx Xxxxxx che
scrivere libri non fa per lui. Per il suo bene (e il nostro, soprattutto)."
(Recensione di Antonio D'Orrico sul Corriere della Sera Magazine)

 don't you.
Yes.
-- 
Mary

English, not just to learn it.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm too much insecure to speak english very
well. Yesterday for instance I have done two tests of english at the
Language School of my city and at the World Wide, which I told you
about. Both tests, as far as diifferent, was converging in their
results: I have to revise the grammar and above all must get more
practice in speaking English.
Thanks for your replay... and I pray you again you won't reproach my
ruinously English...
Alb Her

Giò
-Tutto ciò che può esistere, esiste.
          (Tullio Regge)

don't you.
è sempre la solita storia. quando io non so un verbo, lo derivo dal
latino.
però gli inglesi usano sempre più i verbi (anglo)sassoni.
imo il verbo è cmq comprensibile a chi a una cultura media.
certo, usarlo significa "non parlare inglese almeno non come fanno i
madrelingua"...però...
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 latino.
I guess "to perfect" also comes from Latin, but the fact remains that you
"improve your skills". Maybe you can also "perfect your skills".
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Bye, FB
-- 
"Golden orb... The golden orb... The golden orb..."
(Cold Comfort Farm, the film)

why "you" two times?
Isn't necessary the second "you"? And "won't", is it correct?
Thanks,
Alb Her

"improve your skills". Maybe you can also "perfect your skills".
con i maybe si può costruire tutta un'intera altra lingua.
:-)
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 And "won't", is it correct?
As you have it, it is indeed necessary (although I'm not sure about the
whole sentence in the first place), and "won't" is correct.
Bye, FB
-- 
"You must have had a most happy childhood there."
"Er, it was terrific."
"I'm so glad."
"No, I didn't mean it that way."
"I'm so sorry."
(The Philadelphia Story)

 grazie graziella e grazie...te l'ho detto io.
Maybe, but "to perfect" exists.
[...]
Bye, FB
-- 
«"Plano su di lei come un paradiseo imbottito di Taurus... Faccio guizzare
la lingua come un pitone ubriaco". Prendo questo libro, lo butto nel
cestino.»
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Isn't necessary the second "you"? And "won't", is it correct?
maybe you wanted to say:
I hope next time you won't reproach my ruinous English 
(ruinously è un avverbio, non un aggettivo)
ma...dimmi...la frase l'hai composta di getto, o hai cercato le parole
sul dizionario? sono termini non molto comuni (reproach, ruinous).
si ha come la sensazione che tu avessi in mente la frase in italiano,
abbia cercato sul vocabolario i singoli termini, ed abbia preso una
delle tante traduzioni.
in finale hai creato una frase di uno straniero, non una frase di un
madrelingua.
tradurre in un altra lingua non funziona così. non si pensa in
italiano e si traduce in inglese parola per parola.
si pensa, nel nostro linguaggio cerebrale, e si cerca nella propria
personale memoria di espressioni linguistiche in inglese se già ci
sono delle strutture, delle "frasi fatte" che si possono adattare, con
poche modificazioni, alla nostra idea che vogliamo esprimere.
da qui, adattiamo ciò che vogliamo dire a ciò che sappiamo dire
(verbi, sostantivi, avverbi, preposizioni, aggettivi, usati in
circostanze analoghe).
si "pensa in inglese" quando, secondo me, si ha vissuto talmente tante
esperienze in inglese che qualsiasi cosa tu voglia dire già hai
pronto, automaticamente, nella tua memoria, il costrutto già fatto, e
quindi non devi stare a "tradurre".
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sul dizionario? sono termini non molto comuni (reproach, ruinous).
Reproach lo conoscevo, l'altro no, ma in ogni caso mi sono servito di
un dizionario, hai ragione. Il fatto è che non ho ancora un tale
vocabolario o serbatoio di esperienze (come dici tu più sotto) da
farmi rischiare... e vedi queste risposte? Avrei dovuto osare di
scriverle in inglese, ma nonostante il tuo generoso complimento, mi
sonoa ccorto di quanto sia difficile. Ad ogni modo farò di tutto per
migliroare la situazione e parlare in lingua... 'til the end of the
world (I hope too far beyod today).
Thank's a lot. It's getting dawn of my English.
Alb Her
P.S. When I went to school, I had a fantastic teacher of English. She
ever spoke English and started her first lesson speaking about William
the Conqueror. I can't remember this fantastic woman who learnt French
to read Camus and Spanish to read Cervantes (and who read Goethe and
Durrenmatt in German). I think she was a real teacher, because she
teached us to love the ways to say which is important to say as better
is possible.
I don't know what's exactly in this p.s. that I wrote without a
dictionary. But, I say, I wrote it alone.

 is possible.
Not a very common kind of teacher, I'd say.
[...]
Bye, FB
-- 
"Hey, Mr. Gilmore. Best wish... Congrat... Nice suit!"
(Gilmore Girls - 513)

> teached us
taught 

taught 
Ok... white flag...
You're right, you all, I say.
But I shall go on, I have to learn a lot of things, and try and try
again.
Thanks a lot,
...
But I think anybody doesn't know the World Wide School, isn't?
Alb Her
P.S. I have read again my last message and I saw that I said "I can't
remember"... of course, I mean't to say "I can remember" Perhaps I
thought something in Italian that I have forgotten later.

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It wasn't me, actually.
Bye, FB
-- 
Just as I thought. Another test that could have cost us our lives, saved
only by the fact that I am enormously well-bred.
(Murder by Death)

 But I think anybody doesn't know the World Wide School, isn't?
I'd have said "I think/gather [that] nobody knows the World Wide School, do 
they?", but you needn't know such things now. I, for one, don't. I'm sorry.
[...]
Bye, FB
-- 
In any case, if you say 'I gotta go' at an important job interview you're 
contributing to being allowed just that privilege.
(Tony the ice man on it.cultura.linguistica.inglese)


You can go further , and 'perfect' your skills (stress on last syllable) .
By the way , since I know you're intent on perfecting your own skills in 
English , didn't Mary once call your attention to your use of 'suppose' in 
this sort of way ; it doesn't sound right . Why not just 'think' , or 
'believe' , or 'I (very much) doubt that it exists '? Or , perhaps even 
closer to your intended sense , 'I wouldn't imagine the word exists.'
It's difficult to explain why , tho' .
I suppose I might be talking through  my hat , in which case I apologise to 
Mary as well as to you !
Mike 

 Mary as well as to you !
I'm very tired, so I don't feel like looking up "to talk through one's
hat", though I certainly will tom... today... later. I'm sure you're not
doing it, anyhow. (smiling face)
Bye, FB
-- 
"Suppose I say I'm not interested."
"Does five hundred dollars interest you?"
"Very much."
"Then bring it: it's an expensive restaurant".
(The Cheap Detective)

You can use "perfect"   (stress on the 2nd e)

 this sort of way ; it doesn't sound right .
What? "Suppose" seems fine to me.

dictionary. But, I say, I wrote it alone.
bravo. infatti, piů o meno, si capisce tutto. ed č quello
l'importante. il resto viene dopo, molto dopo.
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You can use "perfect"   (stress on the 2nd e)
right.
thank you
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Maybe, but "to perfect" exists.
ah.
ok. questo non lo sapevo.
then...good point!
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QUOTE 
(
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=81188&dict=CALD
)
talk through your hat INFORMAL
to talk about something without understanding what you are talking about:
Nothing of what he said made sense - he was talking through his hat.
UNQUOTE
QUOTE
(
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/41/messages/986.html
)
"To talk through one's hat" was apparently a widespread idiom by the late
1880s meaning "to talk nonsense," although it initially seems to have
carried the added connotation of "to lie." The precise logic and origins of
the phrase are unclear. One theory, perhaps reflecting the earlier "to lie"
meaning, maintains that the phrase refers to men in church who hold their
hats over their faces while feigning prayer. Another possibility is that
the phrase refers, as you say, to the emptiness of the hat atop one's head,
as if one were thinking and speaking with an empty head. It's also possible
that "talk through one's hat" is an oblique reference to another phrase,
"to talk off the top of one's head," meaning to speak speculatively,
without thorough consideration."
UNQUOTE
Bye, FB
-- 
"Qualcuno, meglio se un fidanzato, dovrebbe comunicare a Xxxxxxx Xxxxx che
scrivere libri non fa per lei. Per il suo bene (e il nostro, soprattutto)."
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OK . Probably a touch of linguistic hyper-sensitivity . I'll go and lie down 
till it passes .
Mike 

 is possible.
che significa? Non ho proprio capito. Ci insegnava (meglio taught) ad amare
i modi di dire che è importante dire meglio (che) è possibile?
-- 
Io non so da dove vengo e non so dove mai andrò, uomo è il nome che mi han
dato

l'importante. il resto viene dopo, molto dopo.
I spent all my weekend in a deeeeeeeeeeepest sleep.
Excuse me if I haven't yet answered to your message. If I can, I think
shall do it tomorrow in the morning...
Thanks a lot...
Alb Her

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A few corrections, hoping you'll find them useful and that I'm not making
mistakes myself:
"If I haven't yet answered your message. If I can, I think I shall do it
tomorrow morning."
Again, I hope I didn't make mistakes myself.
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i modi di dire che è importante dire meglio (che) è possibile?
Sì, hai ragione, scusa, dall'altra postazione non mi ero accorto del
tuo messaggio.
Volevo dire, e rileggendolo mi sono accorto che non ho detto affatto:
"Ci ha insegnato ad amare i modi di dire ciò che è importante nel modo
migliore possibile".
Ciao e scusa se non ti ho risposto prima.
Alb Her

 migliore possibile".
Nessun problema, piuttosto avrei un'osservazione. Io non so bene l'inglese
come te, pero' quel "which" non riesco proprio a digerirlo. 
Sbaglierei molto a metterci qualcosa che aiuti maggiormente a capire, per
esempio "what is important to say", o qc del genere? 
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esempio "what is important to say", o qc del genere? 
No, hai perfettamente ragione tu, invece. Almeno, rileggendo la frase,
e cercando di formularla come si deve, credo abbia ragione tu. E voi
altri che ne dite?
Alb Her

 altri che ne dite?
I don't wish to appear pedant, but the Italian sentence itself is hardly
understandable. Maybe:
"She taught us to seek the ways to say the important things as well as
possible"
or
"She taught us to love saying the important things as well as possible"
depending on what you mean.
Anyhow, "ciň che" is "what" or "that which", the latter being --I think--
is a bit refined or poetic.
Bye, FB
-- 
"Che cos'č un fallo da tergo? E non stiamo parlando della tua vita
privata."
(Intervista della Gialappa's Band a Elisabetta Canalis)

 depending on what you mean.
or "[...] important things as best we could" or "in the best possible way"
(or "in the best way possible").
[...]
Bye, FB
-- 
Conversation like television set on honeymoon: unnecessary.
(Murder by Death)

I don't wish to appear pedant 
perhaps, do you hope to appear more clever than us... and nice too?
;-)
Alb Her

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So you didn't notice his deliberate mistake ? That's how nice he is !
Mike 

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What was my deliberate mistake? It was deliberate, of course, but I can't
remember it at the moment...
Bye, FB
-- 
"I love the smell of perfume and the thrill of a chase, and the moment of
conquest."
"I like thighs. Do you like thighs?"
(What's New Pussycat)

 remember it at the moment...
Pedantic.
-- 
Mary

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Oh, how stupid of me.
Bye, FB
-- 
"Qualcuno, meglio se un parente, dovrebbe comunicare a Xxxxxxx Xxxxxx che
scrivere libri non fa per lui. Per il suo bene (e il nostro, soprattutto)."
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Oh, how stupid of me.
Excuse me... l've found pedant in my Oxford Dictionary, but I can't
find pedantic.
Alb Her

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"Pedant" is a noun; "pedantic" is an adjective. 
Bye, FB
-- 
"Enjoying yourself, Elfine?"
"It's going to be such fun!"
"No, it's going to be amusing or diverting, not such fun, darling."
(Cold Comfort Farm, the film)