Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: beyond/beneath: qual è la differenza?

Gi. Ai. Giò

 spiegazione. (non in termini /leibniziani/).
Be', tieni conto che beyond vuol dire oltre mentre beneath vuol dire 
sotto... mi pare ci sia una bella differenza!
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Gi. Ai. Giò

beyond vuol dire anche dietro, se è per questo.
Be', no. Di tanti significati, questo no. Forse pensi a "behind".
Secondo il Picchi, "beyond":
1 oltre, al di là di, al di fuori di, dall’ altra parte di
¶ a voice from beyond the grave una voce dall’ oltretomba; the road
continues beyond the village la strada continua al di là del paese
2 (= apart from) in contesto neg a parte, tranne, all’ infuori di,
eccetto
¶ she has no other income beyond her pension non ha altri redditi all’
infuori della pensione
3 (= above/over) al di sopra di, oltre, fuori
¶ beyond control fuori controllo, incontrollabile; beyond help senza
speranza, irrecuperabile; beyond the reach of sb al di là delle
possibilità/dei mezzi di qn, irraggiungibile da, fuori portata di qn;
beyond (a) reasonable doubt oltre ogni ragionevole dubbio; beyond
recognition irriconoscibile; beyond repair irrecuperabile, non
riparabile; to be beyond a joke essere una cosa seria; to be beyond
question essere fuori questione, essere indiscutibile; to know/to
believe st beyond a shadow of a doubt sapere/credere qs senza ombra di
dubbio; it’ s beyond me non riesco a capirlo, non arrivo a capirlo;
these skills go beyond our capacity queste abilità sono al di sopra
delle nostre capacità; the inflation rate is now beyond 20% il tasso
d’ inflazione ha superato il 20%; his conduct is beyond the pale la
sua condotta è inaccettabile
4 (= later than) oltre, più tardi di, dopo
¶ life beyond the grave vita dopo la morte; he worked beyond
retirement age lavorò anche dopo aver raggiunto l’ età pensionabile
B av più in là, al di là, oltre, di là, più avanti, dopo
¶ what lies beyond? che cosa c’ è al di là? the mountains beyond were
covered with snow le montagne più avanti erano coperte di neve
C n U luogo lontano o remoto
¶ the beyond l’ ignoto, l’ aldilà, la vita ultraterrena.
Ciao,
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Isa
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Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching
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 beyond vuol dire anche dietro, se č per questo.
Quello č behind 8-) Direi che fai un po' confusione con le parole che 
iniziano con "be"!
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Speaking of behinds (!), I once overheard part of a conversation between two 
guys:
"...and when my roommate moved out, he left his behind for me."
I thought: that was very accommodating of him, but it must have hurt, and how 
does he sit, now?   :-0
("behind" here, is a noun.)
-- 
Joey DoWop Dee
Remember: It is To Laugh

 "...and when my roommate moved out, he left his behind for me."
LOL! Forse c'era qualcosa tra "his" e "behind" 8-)
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Yes, I clearly missed the beginning of the conversation where the missing 
"whatever" was being discussed, but the part I heard made me laugh.
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Gi. Ai. Giò

 
don't you say "bottom" in the States?
ladybat

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Only if it's something at the lowest point of something else. :-)
I remember laughing hysterically at a line from "A Fish Called Wanda" 
(granted it favors Murrcans!) where John Cleese's wife is angry at him and 
belts out:
"In your bottom!"
or the equivalent of our
"Up your @$$!"
"How veddy proppah!" I thought. 
But I do want to point out to the original responder that what I heard was 
what I heard, and there *was* no missing element between "his" and "behind", 
other than what was implied.
In other words, the conversation might have been about a stereo...
A: I need to buy a new stereo.Mine broke.
B: Oh, I lucked out: When my roommate moved out, he left his behind for me.
In B's sentence, "his" is a noun ("his" [stereo]") and "behind" is an adverb
In my interpretation (don't ask) I took it as "his" as a possessive adjective 
and "behind" as a noun.
I point this out, not for you Ladybat, but to clarify that there was no word 
between "his" and "behind" that I didn't hear.
Why am I fixating on this?
Do I have a fetish I'm unaware of??
No. I'm fully aware of it.  <vbseg>
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 "his" and "behind", other than what was implied.
Right, I hadn't thought of that!
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lol

 uh... does British English sound like this to a "murrcan"?
Exaggeratedly, yes. As a caricature of a Proper Brit.
It's the same as when I watch something like "As Time Goes By", and an 
American shows up in the story; the accent is almost always exaggerated. (Not 
to mention* the almost-always boisterous affect.**)
*Silly expression: not to mention. One *always* mentions the unmentionable 
after mentioning that expression.
**That word, for you non-English-speakers, is pronounced "AFF-ect.")
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My favorite accent is that of the Geico Gecko.
A lizard who promotes insurance for a company named Geico.
I tried to find an online clip, but haven't been able to, so far.
I think it's a form of Cockney; Me muvva (my mother) etc.
I love the Geico gecko.
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 I love the Geico gecko.
E're ya go, mate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYenpfrlRg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmiK7cIx-pU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip5VOv92bC8&mode=user&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnLaDOLaj3I&mode=user&search=

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Yo! Thanks! I could listen to him for hours.
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Tony the Ice Man wrote:
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:)
I think the gecko has a very sweet accent. Much better and much more
understandable than the chav accent from north London.
Real east-enders, furthermore, are much cruder than this cute reptile...
anyway cockney is not an accent but a proper language, in rhymes.
All the kids in my school say, for example: "give it a butch"
look rhymes with hook. The butcher uses the hook. Butch is short for
butcher.
"I'll 'ave a couple of Britneys": Beers rhymes with Spears. Britney Spears.
There are proper cockney dictionaries in London's bookshops.
ladybat