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Titolo: "a pocket of sunlight"

Salve
Ho fatto i sottotitoli ad un film-documentario, che tra l'altro
suggerisco a tutti di vedere
http://www.youtube.com/homeproject
Per alcune frasi pronuciata dalla Speaker (Merely Strep), non riesco a
trovare una traduzione soddisfacente
Qualcuno pu� aiutarmi a tradurle correttamente?
1) "The invention of agriculture turned our history on end"
(si riferisce all'invenzione dell'agricoltura 12 000 ani fa)
2) "Having made grain the yeast of life,..."
(avendo fatto del grano il lievito della vita?)
3) "These flames are also from plants, a pocket of sunlight"
(una sacca di energia solare?)
4) "We can still extract oil from the tar sands of Canada"
(cos'� la "tar sand" da cui si estrae petrolio?)
5) "I have seen desert expanses baking in the sun"
(si riferisce a pannelli fotovoltaici)
grazie per l'aiuto

 (si riferisce a pannelli fotovoltaici)
non so, non ho visto il video


Note the difference between "pocket" and "pocketful". I don't know what the
Italian for "pocket" in this context would be.
pocket (in this context):
�a group, area or mass of something which is separate and different from
what surrounds it�
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=61028&dict=CALD
pocketful (tascata). �as many or as much of something as a pocket will hold�
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=100827&dict=CALD
It is possible that the English is incorrect, especially if written by a
non-native speaker, and he might have meant "pocketful". "Tascata" would be
the correct translation only if the original English is wrong.
Joe from Massachusetts

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Would "sacca" be a translation for "pocket" in the context of "a group, area
or mass of something which is separate and different from what surrounds
it?"
Joe from Massachusetts


While I have your attention:
Mark your calendar-:
Bruce Springsteen
July 23
Stadio Friuli, Udine
Joe from Massachusetts


Googling grumo/grumi di partigiani, grumo(i) partigiano(i), 0 hits.
Googling sacche di partigiani, 8 hits.
Googling sacche partigiane, 3 hits.
Joe from Massachusetts

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Googling grumo/i di ladini, grumo(i) ladini, 0 hits.
Googling sacche ladine, 2 hits.
Joe from Massachusetts

 Stadio Friuli, Udine
I bought the tickets in February for
July 21
Stadio Olimpico, Torino
:-)))))
-- 
Anna

 Joe from Massachusetts
Il mio dizionario porta come esempio: pocket of resistance = sacca di 
resistenza

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The E Street Band's regular drummer will be replaced by his son Jay for most
of the European tour, because Max is now the bandleader for Conan O'Brien's
recently-launched "Tonight Show".
�Mr. Weinberg said he planned to reunite with the E Street Band onstage
in Europe from July 27 until Aug. 2, when he said he was planning his
first leave from "Tonight."�
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.artists.springsteen/browse_thread/thread/11707379ce0fff10
Joe from Massachusetts

 
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.artists.springsteen/browse_thread/thread/11707379ce0fff10
Grazie delle info, caro Joe.
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Anna

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Jay Weinberg seems to be as talented a drummer as his father Max. For
several concerts earlier this year, Jay played half the concert, and Max the
other half. It was a test to see if Jay could meet the high standards of the
E Street Band, and whether the audiences would accept him. Evidently he
passed the test.
Joe from Massachusetts

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Ah, si.
Googling "sacche di resistenza" guerra Italia - 1390 hits
Googling "pockets of resistance" war Italy - 2000 hits.
Joe from Massachusetts


http://italiasempre.com/verita/labellapolenta1.htm
Joe from Massachusetts


I guess you must be a fan of Lidija Percan, then.
Joe from Massachusetts


I remember that when I read Rigoni-Stern's "Il sergente nella neve" I was
surprised at how important polenta was to the Italian soldiers on the
Eastern front.
Did you happen to see "Il sergente", which Marco Paolini made based on "Il
sergente nella neve"? I found it online a year or so ago somewhere, and
downloaded it. This was the production filmed at la Cava Arcari di Zovencedo
near Vicenza, and presented on La7.
Joe from Massachusetts

 near Vicenza, and presented on La7.
I saw it, really touching. Paolini is a great storyteller.
-- 
Anna


Not even the Quartetto Cetra?
Joe from Massachusetts

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Il sergente nella neve is a great book too :)

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When I first started reading Italian, I would ask for recommendations from
my Italian friends, and then pick the skinniest books on the list. I didn't
want to start out with a big fat book like "I Promessi Sposi" or "La Monaca
di Monza". Fortunately, those skinny books turned out to be a pretty good
choice. Rigoni-Stern and Italo Calvino wrote some pretty good skinny books.
:>)
Joe from Massachusetts


Mina?
Le Gemelle Kessler?
Joe from Massachusetts

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Rocky Roberts e Lola Falana?

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Gigliola Cinquetti?
Ciccio Ingrass�a?

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Loredana Bert� e Pippo Baudo?

 Loredana Bert� e Pippo Baudo?
Viola Valentino? Miguel Bos�?
-- 
Anna


I am an inveterate collector of recordings, and have accumulated many
Italian recordings from various on-line and other sources.
I will bookmark that site.
You may be interested in this site, "Jazz on Line".
Click on "Choose and listen among 25181 titles".
You can search by song title, artist, or orchestra.
You can either download most of the files, or just listen on line.
This particular page of the "Jazz on Line" site features Glen Gray
and the Casa Loma Orchestra, and contains the piece "Narcissus", which was
at one time the sign-off music for the "Secondo Programma" of RAI radio. The
announcer would say, "RAI, Radiotelevisione Italiana, stazione del secondo
programma - fine della trasmissione". Then they would play this recording of
Narcissus, after which they would shut down the transmitter.
http://www.jazz-on-line.com/Casa_Loma_Orchestra.htm
Joe from Massachusetts

 Non capisco il criterio di scelta di questi personaggi.
Stavamo solo giocando :)
-- 
Anna (a huge Stones' fan)

 and the Casa Loma Orchestra, and contains the piece "Narcissus"
You are a real class act, old man.

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The Grateful Dead and Radio Sboro?
Joe from Massachusetts

 
Persiana Jones e le Tapparelle Maledette?
-- 
Anna

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Domenico Modugno e Toto Cutugno?
Joe from Massachusetts

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Renato Rascel e ------- 'azz, non si pu� fa' rima con 'sto Rascel!
Mi arrendo.
Joe from Massachusetts


I guess there must have been a typo in the announcement about when Max
Weinberg would be joining Springsteen in Europe.
Weinberg left the Conan O'Brien "Tonight" show last night, and is now on his
way to Europe, so you'll be seeing him in Torino (and in Udine, even though
some people there don't seem to care).
Joe from Massachusetts


But for this "Big Band" recording, the music of the minor American classical
composer Ethelbert Nevin would have long ago faded into obscurity.
Joe from Massachusetts.

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Oh, good! I trust Jay to be a great drummer, but old Max is always old Max,
the original E Streeter! :)
-- 
Anna

 some people there don't seem to care).
We do, we do :-)
Tabhall


Trippa per i gatti e anche per i trevigiani, ma per i magnagati c'� solo
Radio Sboro.
http://www.radiosboro.it/home/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=86&page=view&catid=125&PageNo=1&key=0&hit=1
Joe from Massachusetts
�What's the ugliest
Part of your body?
What's the ugliest
Part of your body?
Some say your nose
Some say your toes
But I think it's your mind!�
(Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention)

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Dovresti mettere la minigonna e andare a trovare mosh-pit Martini a Torino
per andare insieme al concerto.
Immagino le video che vedremo.
Immagino anche il mattino dopo.
"E se son pallida come una strassa
vinassa vinassa e fiaschi de vin".
Ma forse sarebbe meglio restare a casa per evitare l'imbarrazzo del figlio.
:>)
Formidabile, questo Springsteen, che riesce a farti uscire dal buio dopo
tanto tempo!
Joe from Massachusetts

 tanto tempo!
Eh, credevate di esservi liberati di me, ma l'erba cattiva non muore mai 
:-).
Avevo molti impegni e ad un certo punto ho dovuto fare una scelta: non 
ce la facevo a seguire 2 newsgroup, cosï¿œ ho continuato a seguire quello 
che piï¿œ mi serviva per il mio lavoro.
Adesso ho meno impegni, e d'ora in poi resterï¿œ qua...con molta umiltï¿œ, 
perchï¿œ il mio inglese si ï¿œ molto, molto arrugginito!
Sono contenta di ritrovare tanti di voi che conoscevo, mi fa sentire a casa.
Tabhall


Ho camminato sulle piste di quel aeroporto. La conosco bene.
Avevo un amico pilota italiano al Dal Molin quando l'aeroporto era un
aeroporto italiano (militare e commerciale).
Il comitato No dal Molin e il comitato Si dal Molin esistono a Vicenza. Non
mi metto in mezzo.
C'� chi vede il lodo Alfano come una buona legge, c'� chi la considera la
legge dei ladri. Non mi metto in mezzo.
Joe from Massachusetts

 Ho camminato sulle piste di quel aeroporto. La conosco bene.
il cane -> quel cane
l'aeroporto -> quell'aeroporto
Kiuhnm

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Grazie. Maybe I should just use questo instead of quello, to avoid this type
of error.
I might not have a problem with questo aeroporto, but I would still have a
problem with quest'altro. :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 tanto tempo!
Long live the Boss. And tabhall.
-- 
Anna

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Twenty-five years ago, during the filming of the "Dancing in the Dark"
video, a young actress was pulled from the mosh pit by Bruce Springsteen to
dance on the stage with him. The video propelled Courtney Cox to stardom.
She went on to become one of the stars of the long-running TV show
"Friends". "Dancing in the Dark" remains one of Springsteen's most popular
videos, and is still viewed every day on line.
Who knows, if you hadn't been banned from the mosh pit, this year maybe
Springsteen, a little older and wiser, might have chosen an older and wiser
woman to dance with him on stage. ;>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 woman to dance with him on stage. ;>)
Aaaaaaaaahhhh... I guess now I'm going to exchange my _very expensive_
ticket for a cheaper one in the pit. Such a temptation! :D
Older? Yes, no doubt. The first time I saw Springsteen live he was much
younger than I am now. It was in 1985, in Milan. One memorable day.
Wiser? Hmmm... :)
-- 
Anna

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Last week while we were discussing Springsteen's music, I came across an
interesting program in the listings for the Russian "RTR Planeta" channel.
The title of the program was "Nasha Felichita" ("Nostra Felicit�"). I set my
software to record the program, and have only now been able to watch it.
Even for those Italians completely unfamiliar with the Russian language, the
program would succeed in conveying the feelings of the Russians towards all
things Italian. Unfortunately, it is not currently on the broadcast
schedule, and the station doesn't archive programs as RAI does.
This 2007 film is a documentary about the influence of Italian music on the
Russia of period of the 1960s through the 1980s, and consists of interviews
with Russian musicians and professionals in the music industry who recall
the music of that era and the effect it had on them. From Robertino and
Modugno to Ricchi e poveri, Al Bano and Romina Power, Toto Cutugno and most
of all, Adriano Celentano, we hear audio clips and see videos as the men
recall the music which influenced them. The program ends with a video of Al
Bano and Romina Power's "Felicit�", followed by a video of a Russian duo
singing a Russian version of the song. The title of the documentary comes
from this song, and sums up the feelings of Russians toward Italian music -
"a ray of sunshine in the cold Moscow winter".
Springsteen's influence today in Europe is nothing compared to the influence
of Italian music in Russia in those years preceding the fall of the Soviet
Union.
So deep was the Russian fascination with Italian music  that when the
producers of the 1982 Russian film "Formula Lyubvi" ("Formula of Love")
decided that they wanted to satirize the Russian obsession with Italian
music, they had an "Italian" song written for the film. The song was written
by Russians who may or may not have known any Italian. Much to the
consternation of Gennady Gladkov, the composer of the song, the song became
a popular hit, and people could be heard singing it in the streets.
I am curious about what Italians think about this "Italian" song.
The song can be downloaded here.
http://tinyurl.com/nmt52w
Joe from Massachusetts
Damn, I can't get that song out of my mind.
"Uno uno uno un momento...."

 
http://tinyurl.com/nmt52w
Inizia come un pezzo di Toto Cutugno in versione Russa, ma dopo un po' la 
parte strumentale vira verso un indefinito miscuglio di folk 
napoletano/stornello romano.
E' un peccato per� che i Russi, stando a quanto scrivi, amino tanto Al Bano, 
e magari non conoscano Battisti o De Andr�. 

 So deep was the Russian fascination with Italian music
I've always been fascinated in turn by the Russian fascination with
Italian pop music (with opera also, but that's another matter).
In Sergei Dovlatov's hilarious and affecting novel "A Foreign Woman" (it.
"Straniera", Sellerio 1991), the neighborhood lothario the leading
character is smitten with is said to have "a voice as silken and smooth as
Adriano Celentano's".
The weird thing is that the Russians are (were?) probably the best
educated people in Europe, music-wise!


That has to be the author speaking from the female character's perspective.
Celentano was a kind of matin�e idol in Russia, and had his picture on the
covers of the magazines read by young girls. The Russians in this
documentary talk about Celentano with his "xriplim golocom" [with his
"hoarse (husky) (throaty) voice"]. Imagine how much more successful he might
have been had he been endowed with a great voice!
Joe from Massachusetts


I remember when I first arrived in Italy I expected to find Verdi and
Puccini on all the juke-boxes. I did find the "Marcia Trionfale'' from
"Aida" on the juke-box in one bar, but that was about it.
I remember being surprised to find so few people strolling the streets with
their mandolins singing "Turna a Surriento" and "O Sole Mio".
It took me a while to figure out that the "Fanfara dei Bersaglieri" was not
the national anthem.
Then I started to learn some real Italian music, like "Fanfulla da Lodi",
"El can de Trieste", "Al di qua di la del Piave" and "La me morosa vecia".
It seems that all my friends had either been in choirs, or had uncles who
had been Alpini.
I appreciate Italian opera, but can't stomach American opera. Our language
is best suited for the "musical" format, as found on Broadway.
Joe from Massachusetts

 but [I] can't stomach American opera.
Barber? Menotti? Adams? Corigliano? Such diverse authors...

 Barber? Menotti? Adams? Corigliano? Such diverse authors...
It's the language, not the music. For some reason, I don't find the English
language compatible with the operatic format, although I do make an
exception for the works of Kurt Weill.
Joe from Massachusetts

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I wonder if fans of David Bowie or the Doors realize while listening to
"Alabama Song" as performed by these artists that they are listening to a
"cover" of a song from Weill's opera "The Rise and Fall of the City of
Mahoganny"?
http://beemp3.com/download.php?file=2504949&song=Alabama+Song

 exception for the works of Kurt Weill.
Please, Joe, please: Britten? Peter Grimes, come on! PETER GRIMES??? BILLY
BUDD??? 
Oh, damn: HANDEL? PURCELL???
Come on, Joe!!!

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Melville's tale of the ill-fated Billy is indeed a work of art, but in
operatic form in the English language it is simply a "white whale" for me.
Joe from Massachusetts

 exception for the works of Kurt Weill.
I don't make an exception for the works of Kurt Weill (actually, of 
Bertolt Brecht who wrote the libretto), they should be sung in German.
Und das Schiff mit acht Segeln und mit f�nfzig Kanonen wird beschiessen 
die Stadt.
Now, Porgy and Bess, that should be sung in English. And don't give me 
that minor opera crap.

 
http://beemp3.com/download.php?file=2504949&song=Alabama+Song
Mahagonny?
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Mahagonny, not Mahoganny. Just be sure it's not Mahogany. PBS, which
presented the Metropolitan Opera production of the opera on TV here in the
US about 25 years ago, a program which was hosted by the late Lotte Lenya,
likes it both ways, unintentionally I am sure.   I hope.
http://www.shoppbs.org/product/index.jsp?productId=2932135
By the way, the recording of the opera in question mentioned on this PBS
site (not to be confused with the 1979 Metropolitan Opera production) won
the award for the best classical album and best opera recording at the 2009
Grammy awards.
Joe from Massachusetts

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The 1931 German film version of "Die Dreigroschenoper", featuring Lotte
Lenya, Weill's wife, is one of my favorites, and is in my collection.
Also, the historic recording made in Germany in the late 1950s (in the
German language, naturally), the first complete recording of the work, also
featuring Lotte Lenya, is also one of my favorites, and it too is in my
collection. By this time Kurt Weill had died, and Lenya supervised the
recording.
The original 1954 cast recording of "The Threepenny Opera" (in English) from
the production which ran at the Theater de Lys in New York for many years in
the 1950s, is also one of my favorites, and it too is in my collection. This
English-language recording also features Lotte Lenya as Jenny, only this
time she is singing in English. The Threepenny Opera worked for Lotte Lenya
in both English and German (she also sang it in French), as it does for me.
Lenya also worked closely with the producers of the 1979 Metropolitan Opera
production of "The Rise and Fall of the City of Mahoganny" (in English),
even though she was in ill health at the time.
http://www.kwf.org/kwf/detailed-chronology-1950-1959
Gershwin works for me, too. Anything Gershwin. After all, he was a New
Yorker.
I think Porgy and Bess is always presented in English, and with a black
cast, when presented in other countries.
Another Weill work, "Street Scene", was based on the 1929 Elmer Rice play of
the same name, and in 1931 Rice adapted his play for the screen. Eventually,
in the 1940s, Rice would collaborate with Weill on the adaptation of the
play into a musical work, and the poet Langston Hughes was also brought into
the collaboration.
The music for the 1931 film (also in my collection) was supposedly done by
Alfred Newman, but the film credits list his name as "music director", not
as composer. Listening to the film soundtrack, I am reminded of Weill's
music and also Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue". I often wonder whether the
reason Newman didn't get listed as composer for the film was that he felt he
might have borrowed too freely from one or both of them.
You can listen to a brief extract of the film music here.
I am curious if you hear what I hear.
Just click on "prelisten".
http://musparade.com/album/Alfred+Newman/The+Film+Music+of+Alfred+Newman
Joe from Massachusetts

 an opera?
That's a musical, beyond any doubt. While "Candide", in my humble opinion,
is a full-fledged opera, at least in its latest version.