Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: dollar draft

Joe, la domanda è rivolta in particolare a te:
Siamo a Boston. Una ragazza è alla fermata dell'autobus e pensa alle
sue due compagne di stanza del college:
While Sylvia and Joan drank _dollar drafts_ at dive bars on Thursday
nights and worked the fraternity party circuit Friday Through Sunday,
Kate was either working or studying.
Da una rapida ricerca mi pare di capire che sia una specie di gioco di
parole tra il 'draft' inteso come 'draught' (la bevanda 'alla spina') e il
'draft' inteso come cambiale/tratta/assegno...
Puoi/potete spiegarmi meglio?
TIA,
-- 
Anna

 Puoi/potete spiegarmi meglio?
My American sources confirm that "draft" is the usual US spelling, so
this is just draught / draft beer for a dollar a glass. Probably happy
hour or ladies' night or similar.

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Ok, grazie Adam :)
-- 
Anna

 While Sylvia and Joan drank _dollar drafts_ at dive bars on Thursday
"Dive bars" are places which condescending  yuppies perceive to be "dives",
but which in reality are neighborhood bars, or bars which simulate the
atomosphere of real "dives" for the benefit of  yuppies. A real "dive" is a
run-down, down-to-earth, or disreputable bar or club with a sometimes
questionable clientele. Not everyone will feel comfortable in a "dive".
Laborers, drunks, and local people would feel comfortable in a "dive", as
would military personnel, even Alpini. The patrons of "dives" are not
fashionable, trendy, or pretentious (exhibiting any of these qualities might
land you in trouble in a "dive"), but the patrons of "dive bars" are. There
are thousands of "dives" in New York City, but few are classified as "dive
bars". Lists are published in trendy publications of "dive bars". No one
would think of listing real "dives".
As a long-time international connoisseur of real "dives", I thought I should
point out this difference.  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts


'scuse my curiosity, Joe, but what is your favorite drink? Maybe I should
say the usual one and out of meals, of course...

 point out this difference.  :>)
Hai fatto bene... Sospettavo che non si parlasse di vere 'bettole', dal
momento che si tratta di posti frequentati da studentesse universitarie.
Sei stato chiarissimo come sempre, e dato che non ti sei pronunciato a
proposito di 'dollar draft' immagino di poter prendere per buona (ottima,
anzi :-)) la risposta di Adam.
Cheers,
-- 
Anna


There is another type of "dive" which is common mostly in the South and
West, where country music is popular.
A "honky-tonk"  is a club which has a country music band and a dance floor.
Men go there to pick up women, and women go there to pick up men. There was
actually a "honky-tonk" not far from here in Massachusetts, although I never
referred to it by that name, which I occasionally visited with a group of
workers from the South who were working on a construction project, erecting
radio towers. This establishment had a rule that women could sit at the
tables around the dance floor, but men had to stay in the bar area. The men
could go and ask the women to dance, but could not sit at a table unless a
woman invited him. I guess the rule was intended to keep the men from
fighting over the women.
The word "honky-tonk" is only used in the South and West.
Joe from Massachusetts

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L'ombreta.
Joe from Massachusetts


Fie! I guess you won't easily find it Massachusetts, which is not a province
of Vicenza. I expected you would cite bourbons, whiskeys or, at most, a
tough gin (following the legs of E. A. Poe) but, obviously, de gustibus non
est disputandum...here is a reminder:
 
http://www.vinipavan.it/vini_vitevr1_eng.html
enjoy!

 The word "honky-tonk" is only used in the South and West.
And that is a word I'd never dare translate :)
Throw your arms around this honky-tonk man, 
An' we'll get through the night the best way we can. 
It's the best old pain-killer since hurtin' began: 
Throw your arms around this honky tonk man.
<sigh> How I love that movie! Not to mention that particular honky-tonk man
:D
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Anna

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L'ombreta quando pago io, ma il Cognac quando paghi tu.  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts


ah! You exposed yourself! So you lean for the Cognac : this sounds more
reasonable!
p.s. I would be glad to pour you a heavy dose of Martell... be my guest :)

 pick up men.
C'è anche una canzone dei Rolling Stones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faEEro38pEA

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Somehow I never pictured you as a honky-tonk woman.
Joe from Massachusetts

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Here is a quote from an article in the New York Times from 1892 about the
problems associated with "dives" in New York City:
«Duffy's Disreputable Den
The Brooklyn police officers have been reading with interest the accounts of
how the New York police have had to close up the disreputable "dives" in
various parts of the city, and they have been lifting their eyes to heaven
and whispering, "We have none of these."
Yet there are some places in Brooklyn that are every bit as disreputable as
those recently closed in this city. Some of them are within a stone's throw
of Police Headquarters, and one is within 100 feet of the First Precinct
Station House.
It is at the corner of Myrtle Avenue and Adams Street, and is kept by one
Isaac Duffy. The front of the building is a saloon, but in the rear is a
small, unventilated room which is frequented by women at all hours of the
day and night. The room is fitted up with tables and chairs, and the walls
are covered with pictures of a certain kind. The orgies that take place
there nightly could not be described in a public journal.
Police Captain Campbell has frequently complained against this place, and
has protested against the renewal of Duffy's license, but the saloon keeper
has always had too strong a political pull to be shut up.»
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9800E6DD1438E233A2575AC2A9659C94639ED7CF
Joe from Massachusetts

 there nightly could not be described in a public journal.
Hmm...pictures of a certain kind, women, tables and chairs, orgies - it
gives new meaning to the phrase "tavola calda".
Joe from Massachusetts

 Somehow I never pictured you as a honky-tonk woman.
And I don't even drink in dives!
Ma è vita, questa? :D
-- 
Anna