Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: prejudice and accents

Carl   Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 11:59 GMT  
One thing I don't like about England is the prejudice against accents.
Many countries have problem with racism, but in England you get
descriminated against if you sound different.
For example 
Scouse accent: If you speak like this people think your from a very
rough area and chances are that your a thief, and something to do with
hubcaps.
Posh accent: If you talk like this then your supposedly educated, and
can be trusted. Others would think your a rich person, and that your
stuck up and you went to a boarding school.
Brummie accent: If you speak like this, then chances are that people
think your stupid.
Geordie accent: For some reason, the geordie accent is more comforting
to southerners in England out of all the northern accents. Even though
a Geordie can live in just as much a rough area, than a scouser if not
rougher.
Yorkshire accent: Have you ever heard the saying "Yorkshire born,
yorkshire bread, thick in the arm and thick in the head"?
Mancunian accent: A lot of people now associate mancunians a lot with
Oasis. Thinking that they all should act like them.
Cornish accent: Talk like this and people think your a farmer. 
Not all people think like this obviously, but in my experience. These
stereotypes exist just because of the way a person speaks. I'm from
Liverpool and speak in a scouse accent, and when I moved to the South
of England I couldn't believe the level of descrimination against me,
some felt threatened just because I speak different, and I think this
is pathetic. I couldn't get a job for five months, until I came up
with an idea...speak in a posh accent at an interview, and I got a job
within days....and the shock on their faces when I changed my accent
back to my normal self when I got the job. :-D
Anyway, I live back in Liverpool were I'm treated normally, so you
people in the south don't have to worry about me breaking into your
house, or stealing your car.
(from   
http://www.antimoon.com/forum/2003/2322.htm
)
COSA NE PENSATE????
ciao ciao

 COSA NE PENSATE????
Penso che oltre ad avere l'accento di Liverpool, questo debba anche
iniziare a scrivere in inglese correttamente e distinguere your da you're,
anche se spesso hanno lo stesso suono :-)
E non è il primo che leggo a compiere questo errore :-O
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descriminated against if you sound different.
That's life, I assume it happens in every country one way or another.
People do not change that much. Think about the reactions to regional
accents in/from the South or North of Italy and it gives you an idea,
personally I just get on with it.

E non è il primo che leggo a compiere questo errore :-O
.... verissimo! ma.... mi piacerebbe sapere cosa ne pensate del
"marchio" sociale che si abbina ad un accento inglese. Inviterei i
madrelingua a fornire un'opinione in proposito... grazie 1000!
Ceowulf.

 madrelingua a fornire un'opinione in proposito... grazie 1000!
<Non sono un madrelingua>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/interviews/
Try and listen to some interviews. Agatha Christie's accent is one thing,
John Betjeman's is another thing (not quite different...), David Lodge's
yet another. It's not only a matter of geography; if the three of them had
met, they would have understood something about each other, and possibly
Agatha Christie would've thought Lodge was some sort of rascal (his accent
is not terrible at all, mind you, but I've a fancy Dame Agatha was rather
posh).
John Betjeman studied in a school -- a public school, I suppose -- called
"Marlborough". Hoi polloi, if you will, say ['ma:lb(@)r@]; those who did
study there say [mO:lbr@]. You can do no such thing in Italian.
Probably this is less common nowadays. On CNN you can hear almosy any kind
of accent.
Probably such effect is less possible, thus less common, in AmEng. I guess
there are accents which are regarded as unpleasant or lower-class, though.
Suppose Umberto Eco, Mario Luzi and Raffaele La Capria had a coffee
together. They would just infer that the first is from Piedmont, the second
from Tuscany and the third from Naples (I don't want to look up the English
for "Campania"; I hope he is from Naples). Could they understand if one of
them is posh, educated or something else? I think not.
P.S. On another note, how about Maya Angelou?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/angeloum1.shtml
I rather like the way she speaks. And Patricia Highsmith?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/highsmithp1.shtml
She says [a:sk], if I heard right, which thing is peculiar for an AmEng
speaker, innit?
Ciao, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

 "marchio" sociale che si abbina ad un accento inglese. 
Direi che sia abbastanza vero che ci sono molti pregiudizi contro gli
accenti regionali; alcuni più di altri.
Le cose sono leggermente migliorate negli ultimi anni, ma non più di
tanto; se parli con un forte accento regionale, la gente che parla RP
tenderà a considerarti ignorante e/o socialmente inferiore.
Nessun pregiudizio contro gli accenti stranieri; è una faccenda di
classe prettamente inglese.
-- 
Mary

 faccenda di classe prettamente inglese.
Avevo letto e sentito dire che nel Regno Unito i dialetti 
sono più sociali che geografici, ma non pare poi tanto 
vero, anche se la varietà italiana o slovena è senza 
confronto.
 
-- 
Today no, tomorrow yes.

 confronto.
Be', va da sé che per sentire l'accento di Manchester, dovrai andare a
Manchester, ma è pur vero che gli accenti forti esistono un po' ovunque,
credo, sicché puoi incontrare gente che parla RP a Manchester e gente che
parla cockney a Londra, a qualche chilometro dalla Betta.
Ciao, FB
-- 
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Bunbury died."
"He seems to have had great confidence in the opinion of his physicians."
("The Importance of Being Earnest", Oscar Wilde)

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E l'accento americano sarebbe incluso in quale categoria?  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts