Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Luoghi di conversazione....

Ciao a tutti,
avrei bisogno di sapere dove poter migliorare la mie conoscenze linguistiche
piuttosto modeste.
Dato che vado all'universita' non posso spostarmi dall'italia (ho quasi
finito) , quindi avrei pensato di iscrivermi ad un corso di inglese in
un'istituto serio.
Purtroppo in rete saltano fuori miriadi di proposte assai poco convincenti
quindi vorrei chiedere a voi se conoscete qualche scuola autorevole tramite
la quale riuscire a sviluppare una decente conoscenza linguistica che mi
consenta di esprimermi in modo corretto e di comprendere il parlato.
Sto provando a migliorare la mia conprensione (da una settimana) con
programmi televisivi (cnn,bbc,....) e film in lingua ma per ora ho enormi
difficolta', inoltre sento una grande "mancanza nella conversazione orale".
Spero che mi possiate dare qualche consiglio, anche su eventuali istituti
presenti nel Tigullio ligure...
Grazie e ciao a tutti

Luca,
In my opinion conversation only classes aren't that effective. They are
usually less structured and the other students (in a group) are less
dedicated to working hard!
If you want written practice in English (mostly with non-Italians) visit
this new group:
http://groups.msn.com/TEFL/
Zzzzzz

 conversazione orale".
Un consiglio che io e il buon Seba diamo sempre è quello di comprarsi DVD per i
film. Li puoi guardare tranquillamente in inglese tenendoti sotto i sottotitoli
in inglese (non in italiano, perché paradossalmente rende ancora più difficile
l'ascolto per un principiante). Ti consiglio di comprarli all'estero ché
costano molto meno. 
www.play.com
 ha una valangata di DVD sotto le 10 sterline
(spese di spedizione gratuite). Una soluzione comoda, a buon prezzo, per
esercitarsi con l'ascolto e con la lingua corrente.
-- 
Giovanni Bajo

 (spese di spedizione gratuite).
Confermo, sono shockata (o si dice scioccata...?): ho appena preso 3 DVD
(The blues Brothers, The Commitments and Angela Ashes) per... 30EUR in
totale, senza spese di spedizione... Ma come è possibile!? (Not that I
complain, though)
Fr
-- 
Tu deviens responsable pour toujours de ce que tu as apprivoisé. (LPP)
(Remove LASEMESTE' to reply by mail)

complain, though)
Because it is in Jersey, a tax free island.
Sebastiano
-- 
Your brain at this moment is composed of brigades of tiny Bolivian
soldiers. They are tired and muddy from their long march through the
night. There are holes in their boots and they are hungry. They need
to be fed. They need the Bolivian Marching Powder.

 complain, though)
In Italia paghiamo il prezzo del doppiaggio, e poi chiaramente il fatto che non
c'è concorrenza a livello di distribuzione: siccome tutti comprano la versione
italiana, se tutti i prezzi sono 10 euro più alti non se ne accorge nessuno. Se
la gente comprasse anche le versioni inglese-only, i prezzi si dovrebbero
riallineare per forza. Un tempo mi chiedevo perché in Italia si doppia ancora
tutto, ora un'idea ce l'ho: è un business troppo grosso.
-- 
Giovanni Bajo

 Because it is in Jersey, a tax free island.
It is not always the cheapest. Amazon can surpass... Godfather 5 disc
trilogy was only £19.99 on Amazon some months back. I paid £47.99 at Play
and RRP was £59.99
Zz

 Amazon 
Dvdsoon.ca is very good too, but you have to hack your European DVD
player to make it read region1 (American) DVDs 
-- 
Enrico C
"Ron has a chip on his shoulder"
he's arguing with everybody (c) Wayne Magnuson

 tutto, ora un'idea ce l'ho: è un business troppo grosso.
Eh già, il doppiaggio. Non ho neanche controllato se c'è la lingua italiana
in quelli che ho comprato, ma il mio papà sarà felicissimo di sapere che
magari non c'è (e a me non può fregar di meno, hi hi!). 
-- 
By all means marry: If you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you
get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. (Socrates)
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 Because it is in Jersey, a tax free island.
Davvero? Dice UK, ho sempre saputo niente di geografia: andrņ a vedere dove
sta sull'atlante...
-- 
Don't dream it - Be it
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 sta sull'atlante...
QUOTE 
http://www.1204-2004.je/
Jèrri a un lian spécial auve la Couronne Angliaîche
tch'est l'rêsultat d'chein tchi s'pâssit en 1204
"King Harald declared Hrolf outlaw    Hrolf Gangr afterwards crossed
the sea to the Hebrides, and from there went south west to France; he
harried there and possessed himself of a great jarldom; he settled
many Norsemen there, and it was afterwards called Normandy From Hrolf
are descended the jarls of Normandy"
Chapter 24 of Harald Hairfair's Saga from the Heimskringla by Snorri
Sturlusson
"In 933 the Channel Islands became part of this Norman world which by
the end of the 11th century had expanded from a small area of north
western France to include kingdoms in England, Sicily and the Holy
Land and the Normans were major players in Scotland, parts of Wales
and Ireland "
"Before Duke William II's conquest of England (and for a century
afterwards) the Channel Islands were administered as a whole by a
Seneschal of Normandy through his appointed deputy, the Vicomte of the
Islands, who lived here The conquest of England by Duke William II
made no difference to the status of the Islands as they were part of
the Duchy of Normandy and the position of duke and king was not always
held by the same person "
"1204, when the French king finally re-conquered mainland Normandy
thus depriving the English kings of their ducal revenues"
 "On the death of Henry II, his eldest son Richard "Couer de Lion"
succeeded him as King/Duke and because of his father's marriage to
Eleanor of Aquitaine the English kings through a variety of titles
actually controlled more of France than the French king"
  "During the reign of Richard "Coeur de Lion" as king/duke, his
youngest brother, John "Lackland", was created "Lord of the Isles"
between 1195 and 1198 This meant that for the first time the Channel
Islands became a distinct administrative unit John was responsible for
the government and the defence of the Islands and received the
revenues that would normally have gone to the duke When  John
succeeded his brother he carried on this practice of separation from
mainland Normandy by creating Pierre de Preaux Lord of the Isles in
1200 It was this same man who was to surrender to King Philip Augustus
of France at Rouen four years later, but forgot to include the Islands
in his submission"
   "It was Richard "Couer de Lion" more than anyone who brought about
the loss of the Duchy of Normandy although throughout history his
younger brother John has been blamed"
 
   "In late June 1204 the city of Rouen surrendered to a French army -
the 138 year link between England and Normandy was broken and the
Angevin empire was split in two With the loss of mainland Normandy the
Channel Islands were isolated and become a frontier posts on the edge
of a war-zone"
   UNQUOTE
   QUOTE 
http://wwwgovje/
   "Constitutionally, Jersey is a dependency of the Crown, owing
allegiance to the Sovereign, but without incorporation into the United
Kingdom Jersey is self-governing in internal matters, but the UK
Government is responsible for defence, overseas representation and
international affairs generally"
   "The Island has its own legislative assembly called the States of
Jersey, a system of local administration, fiscal and legal systems and
courts of law The Bailiwick of Jersey is not represented in Parliament
and therefore UK acts of parliament only apply to the Island if it is
expressly agreed that they should do so In Jersey there are no
political parties, no cabinet and no prime minister"
   UNQUOTE
   --
   Enrico C

magari non c'è (e a me non può fregar di meno, hi hi!). 
^_^
I have many DVDs, and I think that only one third has the Italian
audio track. And there are no new titles in that part of my
collection. They get used to it. :)
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 collection. They get used to it. :)
Hopefully *we Italians* will get used to see movies with the aid of
subtitles (for the ones who need them, of course) instead of overlapping
the authors voices and accents with our "ad speaker manzonian accent"...
Having seen Master and Commander in Eire (before it was released in Italy
*^__^*) I can tell you the Italian version lacks a great part of the
strength the film has, due to that marvellous intonation and accent of the
actors. 
Ciao,
Frances
-- 
"We shall find peace. We shall hear angels. We shall see the
sky sparkling with diamonds." Anton Chekhov
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 instead of overlapping the authors voices and accents with our "ad speaker
manzonian accent"...
I've just seen the first two episodes of "The Lord of the Rings" and don't
like the Italian dubbing at all. Gandalf, particularly, sounds like an old
and veery tired man, as he is not in actual fact.
Bye, FB

Hopefully *we Italians* will get used to see movies 
Frances, I've never heard "get used to" followed by the infinitive.  I'm pretty
sure it's incorrect.  At this point I have to say "I am pretty sure", not "I am
sure", as I am finding out more and more that words and/or grammatical
constructions I have never heard, do, in fact, exist.
Anyway, as far as I know, my "American" English tells me that's a mistake.  It
should be "will get used to seeing" (gerund).  I hope you don't mind my
correcting you.
bye
Ari

 sure it's incorrect.  
Sě, hai ragione.
-- 
Mary

'En 17 Jan 2004 15:58:43 GMT, GFCARRERA 'égrapse:
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You're absof**lutely right, Ari! The funny (well, not quite, but I try to
keep a straight face here ;) thing is that I know the gerund form is needed
there, and still sometimes the -ing just slips out...
Thanks and keep correcting :)
Frances
-- 
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch.  Liberty is a well-armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
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 Sģ, hai ragione.
Nonostante i mille stravolgimenti, direi che non ho dubbi neanch'io.
-- 
Sono arrivato stamattina dopo un viaggio di m** e con un ritardo da paura,
facevo prima ad andare in Albania e farmi portare in Puglia col gommone!!
-- Mauro
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there, and still sometimes the -ing just slips out...
It's probably because of "used to" which is followed by the infinitive as in "I
used to see".  I used to have a list of "to's" followed by gerunds, but now,
being the superorganized person that I am, I can't find it. 
bye
Ari

 "King Harald declared Hrolf outlaw    Hrolf Gangr afterwards crossed
[most interesting snips]
Così imparo qualcosa anche di storia, grazie :)
... e i DVD sono TUTTI con audio solo in inglese, ah ah ah!
Frances
-- 
I remember doing the time warp
Drinking those moments when the Blackness would hit me
The void would be calling!
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'En 17 Jan 2004 17:40:01 GMT, GFCARRERA 'égrapse:
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Eh, that would be nice 'n helpful! Can I help digging somewhere...?
Frances
-- 
My lungs taste the air of time
Blown past falling sands...
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 Eh, that would be nice 'n helpful! Can I help digging somewhere...?
<Gnegnegne>
"be nice 'n' helpful".
</Gnegnegne>
Ciao, FB

 </Gnegnegne>
<sigh...>
Always liked asymmetries...
</sigh...>
 
Ciao 
<:)>
-- 
-English-Piemontese-
To let = Barattolino
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