Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: beowulf

Un piccolo dubbio su una pronuncia: i Geati, la stirpe dell'eroe germanico..
la g è velare o palatale? in italiano lo leggerei ovviamente palatale visto
che non è scritto gheati.. ma... ho tanti dubbi.. magari qualcuno qui sa
come si pronuncia in ambienti di filologia germanica... (mi serve per
l'esame)
grazie in anticipo
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First rule of Fight Club is you do not talk about Fight Club. Second rule of
Fight Club is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!
Third rule of Fight Club, someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the fight
is over.
Forth rule only two guys to a fight, fifth rule: one fight at a time,
fellas. Sixth rule: no shirts no shoes.
Seventh rule: Fights will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and
final rule: If this is your first night at fight club, you have to fight.

'En Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:08:27 GMT, Yume 'égrapse:
Scusa, non so rispondere alla tua domanda, ma... ehm. Il film pazzo,
visionario, violento e significativo non riuscivo a lasciarlo scivolare via
senza un... "ké béllo :)"
Original signature:
First rule of Fight Club is you do not talk about Fight Club. Second rule
of
Fight Club is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!
Third rule of Fight Club, someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the
fight
is over.
Forth rule only two guys to a fight, fifth rule: one fight at a time,
fellas. Sixth rule: no shirts no shoes.
Seventh rule: Fights will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and
final rule: If this is your first night at fight club, you have to fight.
Sorry per l'OT.
Frances
-- 
And crawling on the planets face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space
And meaning.
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senza un... "ké béllo :)"
Geez, that movie is a masterpiece. It's not that I like it, or even
love it, I do bloody worship it!
The rules are fantastic.
You can keep quoting bits from the movie and you won't stop finding
great lines. Well, you will, when you've quoted the whole script.
Lines like this, "I want you to hit me as hard as you can", or this,
"My God... I haven't been fucked like that since grade school" or
this, "Marla's philosophy of life was that she might die at any
moment. The tragedy, she said, was that she didn't" or this, "The
things you own end up owning you". And I am just randomly quoting. I
could keep quoting, and quoting, and quoting.
I remember an afternoon when I was watching the movie on DVD, English
with English subtitles, it was nearly three years ago. My mother was
probably ironing in the kitchen, and she came by and asked me what I
was watching. I told her about the movie, and that it was rated R (18
years in Italy). After a while, when the movie was nearly ended, she
came back in the living room and asked why the movie was R-rated. I
pressed the pause button on the remote and the DVD magically freezed
on a dick, y'know, the final sort of subliminal image, an inside quote
of the movie itself (remember Tyler's job). She was spechless. I
watched the TV, saw the one eyed snake (one of the reason to see
'Runaway Bride' is the old woman saying, "Innocent girls are terrified
of the one eyed snake. Why when I was a virgin bride, I took a
knitting needle to bed with me") and then I faced my mother. She had a
well-now-what-you-have-to-say look. I simply said, "That's it, mom.
That's way it's rated. Dicks all over." That was fun. ^_^
Sebastiano
-- 
Your brain at this moment is composed of brigades of tiny Bolivian
soldiers. They are tired and muddy from their long march through the
night. There are holes in their boots and they are hungry, They need
to be fed. They need the Bolivian Marching Powder.

 knitting needle to bed with me")
The *only* reason. That joke made me laugh forever.
-- 
Giovanni Bajo

The *only* reason. That joke made me laugh forever.
I love that quote big time.
And I really like J.Ro, and that's another reason to watch it.
You have to be able to use the internal switches of your own brain, in
order to shut off the parts of it that might be offended by the
mediocrity of the movie. Then you could even enjoy it, in a pretty
lobotomized way, but it would still be a sorf of fun.
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 ha scritto nel messaggio
news:ger700te48juphln8...@4ax.com...
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 trovo mai frasi di cui valga la pena in quetso caso non ho avuto dubbi.
Dear Yume,
Just a little hint: please write your reply under the message you are
replying to, not over it, and quote only the relevant part. Grazie!
-- 
Ciao,
Anna

film pazzesco. Un cult assoluto del cinema moderno.
Yeah, but it's a, you know, a sort of really, really, long signature.
It's like a marvellous silver fir, big, enormous, gargantuan, if
y'like, with branches of every possible dimension and in every
possible direction. A really nice tree, in a vase, a li'l brownish
terracotta vase. In the livingroom. Of a 1 bedroom. That won't go.
Such a tree is made for a wood. Inside an apartment you can keep
plants, small plants, any kind of plant, even a dionaea if you like
plants that bite. But not a mighty silver fir. It's out of place. :)
Sebastiano/mind the quoting
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 grazie in anticipo
palatale

 grazie in anticipo
Quando ho dovuto imparare l"Old English" -- "Anglo-Saxon" riferisce
alla cultura -- eravamo costretti a pronunciare la "g" come "y"
inglese, o "j" (non proprio italiano) italiano.
Quindi "Geats", ortografia approssimata italiana, "iets"
Dai "Viaggi di Ohtere:"
Hit gelamp at summum cirre
("E capitato ad un certo punto/tempo/ora)
Hit -- con l'acca
gelamp --- ielamp
cirre --- come c italiana.
-- 
"The past resembles the future as water resembles water"  Ibn Khaldun
My .
mac.com
 address is a spam sink.
If you wish to email me, try alan dot lothian at blueyonder dot co dot uk

 cirre --- come c italiana.
Grazie mille... i dubbi mi erano venuti perchè in effetti non sapevo
regolarmi,
non essendo i Geati popolazione inglese e quindi non del territorio dove è
avvenuta la palatalizzazione.

 inglese, o "j" (non proprio italiano) italiano.
I make no secret of the fact that I would like to learn some Old English. I
find it fascinating, perhaps for I don't understand one word of it. How is
it hard to learn its rudiments (phonology, morphology, syntax etc.)? Is it
still a nightmare for you? (witty face)
Bye, FB

 wrote:
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... Wyrd oft nereth
Unfaegne eorl, thonne his ellen deah
(traduzione: "La sorte spesso  [cio' e', non sempre] risparmia
il guerriere NON dannato [traduzione poco bella]
purche' la sua forza duri"
"Elle" vuol dire "forza", ma attenti alle desinenze...si, ce ne sono, e
tante.
e "th" non e' "th", ma una lettera speciale. Thorn, bar-d, eth.
"nereth" con la eth; "thonne" con la thorn.
"Y" in wyrd come il tedesco u umlaut, o l'u francese.
caso mai....
deah si pronuncia "deach" come "ch" tedesco o scozzese.
FB: l'Old English e' accessibile, ma difficile. Non ti serve molto in
questi giorni. Potresti cercare "Old English Grammar" da Quirk e Wrenn.
Pero', i madrelingua stanno in pochi.
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 Unfaegne eorl, thonne his ellen deah
eorl mi ricorda earl: č questa la sua origine?
Potrebbe essere, visto che i prodi guerrieri venivano fatti nobili...
-- 
random anagram: The Country Side = No City Dust Here
Maria Luisa C - 15/01/04 23.26.58, here.
http://fido.altervista.org/

 Pero', i madrelingua stanno in pochi.
"Stanno" fa molto napoletano (sbaglio?). Si dovrebbe dire "sono (in) pochi".
Ciao, FB

 eorl
Mi ricorda "eorl" (dieresi sulla "e" mi pare, sono pigro) e "eorlingas", da
"Il Signore degli Anelli" di J.R.R. Tolkien. Mi pare, infatti, che l'autore
abbia preso i nomi dei Rohirrim (e di non so chi altri) dall'Old English,
trattandoli un po' (in questo caso poco...).
Ciao, FB

... Wyrd 
Pratchett! Wyrd is weirder then weird. ;)
Sebastiano
-- 
Your brain at this moment is composed of brigades of tiny Bolivian
soldiers. They are tired and muddy from their long march through the
night. There are holes in their boots and they are hungry. They need
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si, è cosi. Tra l'altro quasi tutti in 4 manoscritti, uno dei quali è in
Italia, a Vercelli.

 eorl mi ricorda earl: č questa la sua origine?
Sě. Inglese moderno "earl", inglese medio "erl", inglese antico "eorl".
Ciao.
Marco
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 quindi non del territorio dove č avvenuta la palatalizzazione.
I Geati dovrebbero essere la stessa cosa degli Juti (gli abitanti dello
Jutland, odierna Danimarca peninsulare, il cui nome deriva, tramite il
latino, proprio dall'antico inglese "Gęat") e cioč uno dei tre popoli
germanici dalla cui fusione con gli Angli e i Sassoni nacquero gli antichi
Inglesi.
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Denghiu. Se l'interesse permane per un tempo ragionevole me la procurerò.
Se vuoi iniziare con materiale online, una ricerca con Google ha dato
risultati interessanti.
Alcuni URLs:
http://www.arts.usyd.edu.au/departs/english/ASNAC/OE/intro.html
http://www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/eduweb/engl401/
http://members.tripod.com/babaev/archive/grammar43.html
http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/SESLL/STELLA/OE_Basics/HomePage.html
http://home.comcast.net/~modean52/index.htm
Ora che li ho trovati dovro' anche trovare il tempo per leggerli
completamente :-)
'bye

 risultati interessanti.
Ti ringrazio moltissimo.
Ciao, FB

 tante.
<Rompiscatole>
Mi sembrava strano che "elle" fosse il nominativo, perché "ellen" in quella
frase sarebbe appunto soggetto, perciò nominativo (donde, perciò, la "n"?).
Dopo essermi accertato che questo problema fosse del tutto inutile, ho fatto
ricerche  dalle quali risulta che "ellen" (sostantivo neutro, ovviamente al
nominativo) voglia dire "courage, zeal".
</Rompiscatole>
Ciao, FB