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Titolo: [OT] easy Italian movies?

sO I should be teaching Italian to a group of 4-5 Americans who have 
been studying the language for at least 3 semesters. I was thinking I 
could show them some movies from time to time, but I don't have a clue 
on which movies are the easiest. I would probably want to avoid all 
Troisi films. But what about La Vita � Bella? Is Benigni's accent 
difficult to understand?
Any suggestion?
Thanks!
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

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The easiest films to understand would be American films dubbed into Italian.
Benigni is relatively easy to understand. Antonioni has so little dialog 
that it gives listeners a long time to translate. Nanni Moretti might be 
a good choice.

 Any suggestion?
Stuff dubbed into Italian is, as Tony says, way way easier than
anything "real".
Pane e Tulipani, except for a few characters?
Mediterraneo?
Possibly not "Borotalco".

 on which movies are the easiest.
La difficoltà aumenta infinitamente se il film non appassiona. Ergo,
fa tu alcune proposte, ma poi cerca di capire cosa gli gusta. In
questa pagina (colonna sulla destra) trovi alcuni suggerimenti di
pellicole italiane di qualità, anche se ovviamente vale come al solito
il de gustibus.
http://www.cinemadelsilenzio.it/index.php?mod=film&where=2&type=70
Eviterei i film con forti accenti regionali o con significati legati a
doppi sensi, quindi gran parte delle commedie, almeno per il momento.

 fa tu
"fa' tu"

 Any suggestion?
It could be an opportunity to show them Italy's growth through the 
decades. For example:
50s
Vittorio De Sica, Ladri di biciclette (1950)
or
Federico Fellini, La strada (1954)
60s
Federico Fellini, La dolce vita (1960)
or
Dino Risi, Il sorpasso (1962)
70s
Adriano Celentano, Yuppi du (1975)
or
Dario Argento, Il gatto a nove code (1971)
80s
Giuseppe Tornatore, Nuovo cinema Paradiso (1988)
or
Pupi Avati, Regalo di Natale (1986)
90s
Gabriele Salvatores, Turn� (1990)
or
Bernardo Bertolucci, Io ballo da sola (1996)
2000s
Gabriele Salvatores, Denti (2000)
or
Antonello Grimaldi, Caos calmo (2007)

 Gabriele Salvatores, Turné (1990)
Magari dovrei rivederlo, ma la mia reazione e' stata "duppalle".
La notte di San Lorenzo?
I soliti ignoti?
Una giornata particolare?
Fantozzi? (io lo trovo invedibile)
Amici miei? (idem)

 Amici miei? (idem)
Il giorno della civetta, Indagine su un cittadino al di sopra di ogni 
sospetto, 8�, La decima vittima, La citt� delle donne, Uccellacci e 
uccellini, Un borghese piccolo piccolo, C'eravamo tanto amati...

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Joe from Massachusetts

 anything "real".
Yes, I might start by showing them american movies they've seen already. 
The problem is, where can I borrow films dubbed into Italian? I can't 
even download them here.
:-/
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 a good choice.
I have only seen Il Cainano by Nanni Moretti, but I don't think they 
would be able to understand it, since they know nothing about Italian 
politics.  What's Ecce Bombo like?
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 What's Ecce Bombo like?
Hardly understandable to anyone not born in Italy before 1965, I'd say...
Why not try a vintage Fellini, instead? "La dolce vita", "8 1/2",
"Giulietta degli spiriti" were dubbed to begin with and at least their
quality is unquestionable.

 decades. For example:
[...]
That's a very nice list you've made. Thanks! I've only seen Il Sorpasso 
by Dino Risi and unfortunately not even through the end. I think I 
should probably see a film before showing it to them, and that's going 
to take a while, as I don't have all that much free time over here.
How about La Meglio Giovent�? It spans over the last 3-4 decades of 
Italian history. I could have them watch one hour of it each time, and 
then discuss it. How does that sound?
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 quality is unquestionable.
One of them told me they had already watched clips from "la dolce vita" 
and "8 1/2" at class, but I guess seeing the whole film wouldn't be a 
bad idea.
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 How about La Meglio Giovent�? 
PLONK!

 I have only seen Il Cainano by Nanni Moretti, 
LOL. Did you write that on purpose, or was it just an accident?
(Don't answer, you might end up followed by a Canale5 troup).

> (Don't answer, you might end up followed by a Canale5 troup).
Troupe.
Chissï¿œ, forse pensavo a 'truppa'.

 Chiss�, forse pensavo a 'truppa'.
Forse perch� sono abbastanza "intruppati" ;-)
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 Chissï¿œ, forse pensavo a 'truppa'.
Forse hai studiato inglese insieme ad Annalisa Spinoso, la "television 
giornalist" autrice del servizio sul giudice Mesiano:
http://19.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_krnkznOFvk1qz6z2wo1_400.jpg

 
http://19.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_krnkznOFvk1qz6z2wo1_400.jpg
LOLLissimo.
Adesso che ci penso, forse sï¿œ...
We were companies of course.

 Antonello Grimaldi, Caos calmo (2007)
Degli autori pi� recenti farei vedere, ad esempio, Gianni Amelio, "Il
ladro di bambini" (1992),  "Lamerica"(1994); Silvio Soldini, "Pane e
tulipani" (2000); Paolo Virz�, "Ovosodo" (1997), "My Name Is Tanino"
(2002); Francesca Archibugi, "Mignon � partita" (1988)...  
Per studenti di italiano pi� advanced, qualche commedia di Troisi, di
Sordi e di Verdone, e "Fantozzi" (solo il primo, per�). Per gli
appassionati di B-movies in giornata di trip per il trash, "Eccezzziunale
veramente" del 1982 ;-)
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 Belli anche alcuni film di Paolini,
"Pasolini"
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 West" (1968), "C'era una volta in America" (1984).
Questi li ho esclusi dal mio elenco perch� esulavano dal tema che mi ero 
imposta: cio� film ambientati in Italia dal '50 in poi. Per� � chiaro 
che se uno si impone un tema meno rigoroso, allora vanno benissimo. 
Leone, Antonioni o Bertolucci, ad esempio, mi � spiaciuto molto non 
metterli. Anche Trinit�. :)
Un altro tema potrebbe essere quello dei film italiani che hanno vinto 
degli Oscar (Sciusci�, Ladri di biciclette, La strada, Le notti di 
Cabiria, 8�, Ieri, oggi, domani, Indagine su un cittadino al di sopra di 
ogni sospetto, Il giardino dei Finzi-Contini, Amarcord, L'ultimo 
imperatore, Nuovo cinema Paradiso, Mediterraneo, La vita � bella...).
Pu� sembrare una sciocchezza ma, per esperienza personale, con gli 
americani funziona: il ragionamento che fanno � che, se un film ha vinto 
un Oscar, allora � bello davvero.

 PLONK!
Oh come on, that was an excellent film.
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 Oh come on, that was an excellent film.
Ri-PLONK!

 by Dino Risi and unfortunately not even through the end.
OMFG! Go watch the end!

 West" (1968), "C'era una volta in America" (1984).
Tutti in Inglese pero'!

Enrico il Pentolaio, 10:19, domenica 18 ottobre 2009:
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I'm afraid they will fall asleep.
-- 
Familiarity breeds contempt -- and children.
    -- Mark Twain

 PLONK!
Il mio consiglio: i polizziotteschi anni '70.
-- 
"L'opera � quando qualcuno viene accoltellato alla schiena e
invece di sanguinare, canta."
                -- Ed Gardner

 I'm afraid they will fall asleep.
And me too, perhaps?
:-D
We'll see...
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 politics.  What's Ecce Bombo like?
I was thinking of "La seconda volta" and in general I just like his 
films. I haven't seen Ecce Bombo or Il caimano.
If you want practical advice, here is the strategy I would suggest. I 
would say that if you are in the midwest (I've forgotten exactly where 
you are in the US), and it is a city where there isn't a history of 
Italian immigration (for example, a place where people say "gravy" to 
identify intingolo di carne instead of rag�) you will probably not be 
able to find a large selection of Italian films.
Therefore, you should first see what is available and then select from 
those available. The library should have some Italian films. The best 
selection would probably be through Netflix. You can subscribe to that 
service and have DVDs sent directly to your home in a few days.
If you have access to R.A.I. International through satellite or cable, 
you can record programs. The most easy to understand programs are the 
game shows. I've discovered that I was soon able to answer some 
questions that stumped Italian contestants. I know that's not saying 
much, but don't you think a falegname should be able to answer the 
question, Che lavoro faceva il padre di Pinocchio?) Next in level, I 
would say are the soap operas. The dialog is simple, but the viewers may 
need to be walked through the history of some of the characters to 
understand the action. And finally, thrillers and detective programs 
tend to be easy to understand. I'd suggest Montalbano, but viewers might 
find the Sicilian accents difficult. Also, anything targeted to a 
younger audience will be easier to understand (perhaps Benigni's 
Pinnocchio?)
The most important criteria for a selection is that it be something that 
your audience likes. If they like soap operas they're probably not going 
to like Antonioni or Bertulucci. Whatever the type of film, I have also 
found that it works much better to watch short scenes and then discuss 
with the group what transpired. Ask what particular characters said or 
did. This also helps the viewers who might not understand much that they 
hear. They will only get more and more lost as the film proceeds. You 
can alos provide the definitions of some words in advance and have 
viewers recognize them in the dialog. In sum, the more intensive the 
interaction you provide, the more beneficial it will be to your 
learners. Watching long films without preparation or interruption is 
something for more advanced learners.


I have the film, and have watched it several times, since so many people
seem to like it, but I still don't like it at all.
Joe from Massachusetts

 learners. 
Oh but that means much more work on my side, and I'm not getting paid 
for this. I think I'll just interrupt the film more often and make sure 
they understood most of it.
:-)
Thanks for tips!
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 :-(
*no cable tv
Sat dish anybody?
:-D
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 Celentano and a few recent ones.
Lilith, who dat? Well, the classics are always good: Umberto D, 
Salvatore Giuliano, Roma citt� aperta, and even Il Gattopardo. I think 
that La Strada is Fellini's best film (that should make me some enemies) 
but there is very little dialog in it. There are also the films of Lina 
Wertmuller: Travolti da un insolito destino nell'azzurro mare d'agosto 
(Seven Beauties), and Travolti da un insolito destine nell'azzuro mare 
d'agosto (Swept Away). What you should avoid is rapid-fire dialog and 
strong regional accents. So, by that measure perhaps Salvatore Giuliano 
isn't such a great idea.
Probably the quality of sound reproduction of the DVD system will be 
almost as important as the film selection. I find it much more difficult 
to understand Italian reproduced on a 4" TV speaker compared to that of 
a good sound system.

 Any suggestion?
Vedo che ne hai gi� ricevuti tanti, se nessuno l'ha ancora citato
aggiungerei qualcosa di Monicelli (I soliti ignoti, La grande guerra, Il
marchese del Grillo, Un borghese piccolo piccolo, Parenti serpenti... Io
sono una grandissima fan dell'Armata Brancaleone, ma ho paura che l� si
parli un italiano un po' troppo lontano dallo standard :-))
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How about Saviano's "Gomorrah", although, as you say, it has only English
subtitles? It has recently become available here in MA through inter-library
loan, so I would assume it is available there also.
You can find almost any Italian film in Italian through inter-library
loans - even the old Don Camillo series.
I just got the DVD of "Il deserto dei Tartari" from the library, and the
book as well. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet.
I assume you have broadband internet.
Almost any program on RAI International will probably be available within
days, or is already available online, on RAI's "Programmi da rivedere".
Have you considered any miniseries from RAI, such as "7 Vite"? (just
kidding) - although one episode of this show (only about a half-hour in
length) might provide some comic relief and some insight into current
Italian TV.
There may be some miniseries worth watching. You could record the whole
series to one DVD so you could show it anywhere.
I remember how easy to understand Veronica Pivetti's accent was on "Provaci
ancora Prof".
The problem with Italian "miniseries" is that the episodes are too long.
Programs can easily be recorded using programs such as Windows Media
Recorder. I'm recording TG1 as I'm typing this.
How do you plan on showing movies?
Joe from Massachusetts

 Enrico C wrote:
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In effetti hai ragione anche tu.
Per� "in inglese", non "in Inglese".
A ben vedere, anche Malden e Franciscus, i protagonisti del Gatto a nove
code, non recitavano certo in italiano.
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 loan, so I would assume it is available there also.
Bisogna per� rendersi conto che in Gomorra non si parla italiano. Anche
nelle sale italiane lo abbiamo visto sottotitolato.
-- 
Anna

 Enrico il Pentolaio.
I think there is also "Saturno Contro" of Ozpetek, a very good
movie...
I don't think Troisi's movies are so easy to understand, 'cause he
speaks a dialect...
Nuovo Cinema Paradiso is doc...
others movies easy to understand are those of Federico Moccia... easy
the movie and easy the story too...
;) bye bye

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I forgot to write the movies of Luca Argentero, like Diverso da chi :)

 nelle sale italiane lo abbiamo visto sottotitolato.
Esatto. E sinceramente senza sottotitoli non ci avrei capito niente.
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 parli un italiano un po' troppo lontano dallo standard :-))
Maybe.
:-)
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 Neorealismo.
E' un peccato che "La corazzata Potempkin" sia muto, altrimenti 
potresti mostrar loro anche quello.
Raga'!!! Via, "Umberto D." ï¿œ un capolavoro, ma ï¿œ _troppo_ se stai 
cercando un film per imparare la lingua. Dopo averlo visto sono rimasto 
depresso per due settimane. Secondo me dovresti cercare qualcosa di piï¿œ 
leggero, che non coinvolga lo spettatore e non gli dia da pensare altro 
che alla lingua.
Capisco il desiderio di tenere alto il nome del Bel Paese mostrando che 
da noi ci sono cineasti che Hollywood manco se li sogna, ma cosï¿œ finite 
per far scappare quei poveri studenti.
Se proprio, al posto di "Ladri di Biciclette" prova "Ladri di 
saponette" di Nichetti. C'ï¿œ della poesia anche lï¿œ, in un certo senso. 
Ma senza scendere al livello scoreggesco [*] di "Vacanze di Natale", io 
direi di restare sul leggero e di lasciare l'impegnato a chi l'italiano 
lo mastica molto bene. Aldo Giovanni e Giacomo? "Marrach...- 
"Maraches...-- "Ma--- ci sono anche dei film di Tornatores con 
Abatantuono molto divertenti, per dire...
Secondo me il suggerimento di mostrare film doppiati ï¿œ il migliore.
Potresti al limite mostrare "Profumo di Donna" di Risi (?) con Gassman 
dopo aver mostrato "Scent of a Woman" in italiano con Pacino.
My two cents, VAT excluded.
[1] Chi sta pensando al vincitore dell'oscar per la miglior 
sceneggiatura "ASS"?

 lo mastica molto bene.
Caterina va in citt�?
http://movies.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/movies/03cate.html
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Available in the Champaign Public LIbrary.
In Italian, with both English and Italian subtitles, according to the
catalogue.
http://lincpac.lincolntrail.info:8080/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=1255973GB354E.56061&menu=search&aspect=subtab1669&npp=25&ipp=20&spp=20&profile=ltn&ri=&term=caterina+va+in+citta&index=.GW&aspect=subtab1669&x=12&y=11#focus
Joe from Massachusetts

 dopo aver mostrato "Scent of a Woman" in italiano con Pacino.
Non c'ï¿œ.
:-(
Grazie per i consigli!
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 di dvd americani. In piï¿œ, non posso scaricare niente da internet.
Ci sono lettori che suonano quelli di tutti delle regioni.

 Ci sono lettori che suonano quelli di tutti delle regioni.
ciao Tony,
"Riproducono" o "leggono". That's what we call "playing" a CD or DVD in 
Italy.
"Riprodurre" is usually used in user us-- (no, no more uswords) 
manuals.
"Leggere" is more colloquial.
Esempio di applicazione:
"Il tuo lettore li legge i CD tarocchi?"
(Please note the unnecessary 'li', used in colloquial - and incorrect - 
Italian).
saluti,
Peltio

 Italian).
Sï¿œ, Pelito, ho imparato alcuni anni fa che si scrive 'leggere' ma la 
memoria ci traduisce.

 many people seem to like it, but I still don't like it at all.
May I ask you the reason for that?
-- 
Advertisement for donkey rides in Thailand:
"Would you like to ride on your own ass?"

 :-)
Santi Numi, quelli parlano un italiano medievale tutto
inventato!
Altro che l'italiano dell'opera lirica.
Definitely not to be seen by beginner students of Italian
language.
-- 
Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the
rest.
    -- Mark Twain

 catalogue.
oooh! I didn't know about that library. Thanks!
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.


How relieved I am to read these comments ! I bought the film after reading 
the book , and , even though (given the limitations of my listening 
comprehension) I hadn't expected to understand much anyway , I was rather 
depressed !
Mike 


Gli occhiali d'oro .
Mike

 was rather depressed !
Il fatto � che gli attori non parlano con forte/fortissimo accento 
campano, ma parlano proprio in dialetto.
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 sceneggiatura "ASS"?
Ad ogni modo, va anche detto che il cinema italiano ha "fatto storia"
col Neorealismo e con alcuni grandi maestri fino agli Sessanta o giù
di lì, poi il resto è cronaca.

 Ci sono lettori che suonano quelli di tutti delle regioni.
Sì, per esempio il mio lettore da tavolo. :)

"Ma--- ci sono anche dei film di **Tornatores** 
Eeeeek! :DDD
-- 
Anna

 Eeeeek! :DDD
ROTFL, non me ne ero proprio accorto.
Ovviamente era Salvatores.
Si tratta di una pura formalitï¿œ. :-)
Per l'OP, questo intendevo: 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097841/

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E da napoletano aggiungo che non � nemmeno un dialetto di tipo "classico" 
quale quello di Eduardo o, a 20 anni di distanza, di Troisi. Io eviterei 
qualsiasi film in cui ci siano parlate regionali troppo caratterizzate, 
scoraggiano gli studenti e all'inizio sono nella migliore delle ipotesi poco 
utili.
Comunque Joe sottolineava che la Pivetti parla in modo molto chiaro e, a ben 
pensarci, la cosa non mi meraviglia visto che � anche lei una doppiatrice... 

 Enrico il Pentolaio.
I do agree. 

 pensarci, la cosa non mi meraviglia visto che � anche lei una doppiatrice... 
S� s�, ma... i telefilm italiani lasciano piuttosto desiderare.Comunque 
ho scoperto che riesco a vedere i contenuti di 
rai.tv
 da qua, tranne la 
diretta dei vari canali.
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.


Well, just for starters...
"La meglio giovent�" contains one of the most offensive, insensitive, and
patronizing portrayals of black Americans I have ever seen on film. The film
shows a simpering young black American "deserter" in Scandinavia, wearing a
white t-shirt on which are hand-written in a childish scrawl the words "Stop
the War", or something to that effect. This young man is portrayed as an
illiterate idiot.
No black American I have ever met resembles the pathetic character which
Giordana condescendingly and paternalistically holds up as the typical black
American draft evader. More typical representatives of black protest were
the American medal winners defiantly raising their fists in the ''Black
Power" salute at the 1968 Summer Olympic Games in Mexico City, or the
defiant Muhammad Ali who was stripped of his heavyweight title in 1967. This
was a time of black pride and defiance, and Giordana is either unaware of
this, or is purposely imprinting his own impression of black men on this
pathetic figure.
Giordana might well have entitled his film "Il fascino discreto della
borghesia", had Luis Bu�uel not already appropriated this catchy title for
his successful film of the early 1970s.
Joe from Massachusetts

 Per l'OP, questo intendevo: 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097841/
Oh, a me piacque e piace tanto. Turn�, poi, � proprio un mio piccolo cult.
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In a more general criticism, I think that Giordana, in his choice of a title
for his film, seems to be attempting to attach legitimacy to his
recollections of the period by linking himself with the name of a poet who
wrote in an obscure Northern dialect.
.....
.....
.....
"Vegn�it, trenos, purt�it lont�n la zovent�t
a serci� par il mond chel che c� a � pierd�t.
Puart�it, trenos, pal mond a no ridi mai p�
chis-ciu legris fant�s par�s via dal pa�s."
(Da "La miej zovent�t" di Pier Paolo Pasolini)
Joe from Massachusetts

> American draft evader.
You haven't been to New York.
-- 
Joe/Joey da New York
English as she is spoken (and sometimes written) in the US


Evidently you haven't seen "La meglio giovent�", and haven't a clue what I'm
talking about.
Joe from Massachusetts

 (Da "La miej zoventï¿œt" di Pier Paolo Pasolini)
"Venite, treni, portate lontano la gioventï¿œ
a cercare nel mondo ciï¿œ che qui si ï¿œ perduto.
Portate, treni, nel mondo a non ridere mai piï¿œ
questi allegri ragazzi cacciati dal paese."
(Anche PPP dovette andarsene da Casarsa per le note accuse che
gli costarono anche l'espulsione dal PCI)
-- 
"Non posso ascoltare molto Wagner. Comincio a sentire l'urgenza
di conquistare la Polonia."
                -- Woody Allen


� facile apprendere molto sulla vita interessante, sia pubblica che privata,
di PPP, ma di MTG so soltanto che � nato a Milano, e che ha passato un po'
di tempo a Parigi. Forse le sue esperienze non valgono la pena di essere
raccontate, ed e per questo che non le racconta in una biografia accedibile
a noialtri curiosi.
Joe from Massachusetts

 talking about.
Well, yes, I have seen it, twice, and in fact I have a copy of it in my DVD 
library. It's possible I'm remembering that scene wrong. The last time I saw 
it was probably in 2005 and my memory isn't what it used to be in 1968.
However, I do remember the "Stop the war" poster/t-shirt written in a 
childish scrawl, though. It was everywhere in those days, an artist's attempt 
(I don't remember who the artist was) to make the voices of children heard 
(and the voices of the children in those of us who protested the war.) I had 
a copy of the poster in my parents' playroom along with other posters, where 
I and my friends spent most of our evenings in a purple haze.
It's also possible the saying "If you remember the '60s you weren't there" is 
true because in some ways I wasn't. I didn't get to go to Woodstock although 
all my friends did -- I had to work and I took my job responsibilities 
seriously. More serious than going to a festival. I'm sorry about that 
because it meant missing the event of a lifetime. Try as hard as I might, I 
never really came across as the "Hippy I Hoped to Be." 
At any rate, Joe, I'll watch the Scandinavia scene again. What my 
recollection is is that is was very reminiscent of the days I spent lamenting 
a foolish war in a godforsaken place for reasons I have yet to understand. 
And balloon-thinking "Stop the War," so my children will survive.
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Just watched it, and I don't see what you're complaining about, frankly. The 
man in question is in all of two very short dialogs, neither of which makes 
him seem to me as you described him.
I do stand corrected on the T-shirt and its slogan, though. It was clearly a 
hand-made job, with "Stop the bombing" on it.
I hand wrote a few of those, similar or otherwise, and I guess maybe to some 
I came across as a simpering white American pacifist. So be it.
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 Ma quello del film � pi� o meno quello che parli tu ?
S�, se voglio s�; ovviamente i dialetti variano anche dalle zone in cui si 
vive. Il napoletano di Scampia non � lo stesso di quello parlato a Chiaia.
(Io sono della provincia, non faccio testo ;-) 

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Rasmus Bu was the African, probably Ethiopian or Eritrean  who played the
part of the young black man, the American "deserter" Martin. This was his
only foray into the world of cinematography. It is evident why this was his
first and only role. We are supposed to believe that he is an American black
man who has deserted the military and escaped to Europe. It looks like the
producers stopped the first black man they could find, offered him a role in
the film for a few dollars, and gave him a few lines in "English" to
memorize, which he couldn't quite manage, since he had little knowledge of
English, but that made no difference. He was the token black man, and it was
unimportant that his character be portrayed authentically.
I have omitted the mumbles of the "deserter" from this amazing sequence of
dialog:
Nicola: (aside)
"Martin per esempio � americano ed � un disertore. � scappato dall'America
perch� non voleva partire per il Vietnam."
Martin: "I have to escape from there no. Come to Europe because I can't stay
there you know.
Nicola: "How long will you stay in Europe?".
Martin:
"I don't know man   I gotta stay here as long I can you know.  Those guys
they're after me. I'm just looking for a peace.
That's why I  tie my lil t-shirt. Stopping the bombing and all those things.
Stop the bombing man. Stop the bombing man."
The poor guy sounds and looks like an idiot, an object of pity, but I think
this is what Giordana wanted.
The anti-war t-shirts on Americans were scarce in Europe, and those that
could be found were on the backs of American students travelling through
Europe on break from school in the US. The protesters were in the US, not in
Europe.
Norway was not a preferred destination for draft evaders or deserters,
unlike Sweden, which early on welcomed them.
No agency of the US Government actively pursued deserters or draft evaders
in Europe or Canada during the Vietnam War. The paranoia expressed by the
young "deserter" comes from Giordana.
When I was at the University of Maryland during the war, I don't think I
ever saw a hand-scrawled white t-shirt while I walked through the clouds of
tear gas on my way from the library to my job in the Engineering building,
but there were plenty of tie-dyed and silk-screened works of art, and on Gay
Awareness days, you would even see some of the guys wearing nice colorful
print dresses..
Joe from Massachusetts

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Whenever I met Italian soldiers from Campania while I was in the Army in
Italy, they would all say they were from Naples, even if they lived forty
kilometers outside the city. Do you find yourself saying this when away from
Campania?  :>)
Even in New York there are differences in the "dialect". When I lived in the
Bronx, I could easily tell who was from the Bronx and who was from Brooklyn
by the way they talked.
 Joe from Massachusetts

 from Brooklyn by the way they talked.
I heard indeed that Brooklynese is quite a distinct way of speaking. Iignore 
if in the other borroughs they have dialects as well... 

 Campania?  :>)
Guess where I'm from!
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Bologna!
:-D
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

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Then you must know Coliandro!
Joe from Massachusetts

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Se � vero, Eulalia non ti lascia pi� uno dei tre castelli.
Joe from Massachusetts

 Se � vero, Eulalia non ti lascia pi� uno dei tre castelli.
Don't tell her, pleeeease!
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 Per� "in inglese", non "in Inglese".
Ops.