Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: e' un baco o ... ?

Sul Cambridge advanced Learner's d. c'e' la doppia pronuncia delle parole
registrata. 
E' un baco del programma che "humour" in GB sia pronunciato qualcosa come
"scima", o e' vero ? :-))



Bah... Puoi farcelo sentire? Posso già dirti che la "h" aspirata può
suonare così.
Ciao, FB
-- 
"Che cos'è un fallo da tergo? E non stiamo parlando della tua vita
privata."
(Intervista della Gialappa's Band a Elisabetta Canalis)

 
Su quel software non sono riuscito a tirarlo fuori ...
Poi la cosa buffa e' che, come dicevo, riporta le due pronunce. Tastino
rosso quella UK, tastino blu quella USA.
Pero' la seconda, ad es. non coincide sempre con quella del Merriam
Webster online. L'ho appurato diverse volte.

 Webster online. L'ho appurato diverse volte.
Non esiste una sola pronuncia americana. 
Ciao, FB
-- 
Just as I thought. Another test that could have cost us our lives, saved
only by the fact that I am enormously well-bred.
(Murder by Death)

 (non so se esista per PC).
non uso molto windows pero' non sono riuscito ne' con il registratore e
neppure cercando nell'installazione. Ha fatto un mega file unico di
diverse centinaia di mega per la pronuncia.
Pazienza.

 diverse centinaia di mega per la pronuncia.
Ci sono programmini che registrano TUTTO. Scarica Total Recorder, per
esempio.
Sebastiano

 suonare così.
The aspirated "h" is not common in the US, and the common
pronunciation in the US of words such as humo(u)r, what, where, and
when, is much different from the common pronuciation in the British
Isles. I say British Isles rather than UK, because my Irish parents
aspirated the "h", but their children do not.  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 The aspirated "h" is not common in the US
Well, most of you say ['hju:m3r], not ['ju:m@r], don't you? I've only heard
a film critic say ['ju:m3r], ['ju:m@n] and so forth.
[...]
Bye, FB
-- 
Domanda: "Era il figlio di Iside e Osiride".
Risposta: "Thor".
(quiz televisivo)


There are some words in American English where the combination of a
consonant followed by the letter "u" is pronounced as if there were a
'y' in front of the letter 'u':
mule, mute, pure, sure, inure).
Most Americans don't pronounce the following words as the people in
the British Isles do, rather they drop the "y" sound before the "u"
which the British pronounce:
endure, assume, new, nude, tune, student, Susan, super, tuber.
(endoor, assoom, noo, nood, toon, stoodent, Soosan, sooper, toober).
Words beginning with "h" may be pronounced with an aspirated "h" in
the British Isles, but they are pronounced almost universally as if
the "h" didn't exist in the US.
humo(u)r, huge, humerus, human, Hubert, Hugo.
(Yumer, yuge, yumerus, yuman, Yubert, Yugo).
Joe from Massachusetts

 (Yumer, yuge, yumerus, yuman, Yubert, Yugo).
All h-words?
-- 
Enrico C

 wrote in message
news:12oly0ts...@news.lillathedog.net...

I can't think of any exceptions, except that in some phrases ("a huge
beast"), people who don't ordinarily aspirate the "h" might do so in
the way of emphasis.
Joe from Massachusetts



I thought it unusual; so much so that I recently opened a thread about a
person who dropped his h's in all [hju:] words:
http://snipurl.com/eto5
Bye, FB
-- 
If you knock on my door and I call out "Who is it?", you, as a normal
person, knowing that I would recognize your voice, would say "It's me". If
you said "It is I", I would not be nearly so inclined to let you in.
(Geoffrey K. Pullum - 
http://snipurl.com/bhtu
)


There is a difference between "dropping one's 'aitches'" and failing
to aspirate an "aitch".
"In 'ereford, 'artford, and 'ampshire 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen"
is an example of dropping one's "aitches" (or "haitches").
"Mark Twain was the greatest humorist (yumorist) ever to come out of
Hartford (heart-ford)" is an example of an unaspirated "h".
Joe from Massachusetts

 Hartford (heart-ford)" is an example of an unaspirated "h".
Maybe I'm an idiot, but I can't understand what you mean... what's the 
difference between dropping it and failing to aspirate it? I mean, if I 
drop it, I don't aspirate it, do I? And if I don't aspirate it, I drop 
it... I guess... ?
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"Everybody darlin' sometimes bites the hand that feeds" 

 -- 
If I don't aspirate the "h" in "human" ("hyuman", if aspirated), I say
"yuman".
There is a vestige of the "h" remaining in the "y" pronounced before
the "u" in "human".
If I drop the "h" in "hurricane", I say "'urricane". (Something we
Americans never do).
Words in which Americans don't aspirate the "h" are always words with
the "hu" combination - human, inhuman, huge.
Wholesale "haitch dropping" is unheard of in America, unlike in the
British Isles. Americans who fail to aspirate the "h" in humour, huge,
etc., would never drop the "h" in Hartford, Hereford, Hampshire,
hurricane, help, have, heel, hear, hound, half, here, hole, head,
heart - words in which the "haitch" is dropped regularly by many
speakers in the British Isles, and Cockney speakers in particular.
As for the reason we Americans feel compelled to selectively aspirate
the letter "h", I cannot say.
Quando ci vuole, ci vuole.
Joe from Massachusetts

 the "hu" combination - human, inhuman, huge.
Oh, I hadn't notice this particular! Now I understand, thanks!
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"We all come in from the cold, we come down from the wire, and everybody 
warms themselves to a different fire" 

 the "u" in "human".
I see, but you don't say "youman", do you?
[...]
Bye, FB
-- 
"You must have had a most happy childhood there."
"Er, it was terrific."
"I'm so glad."
"No, I didn't mean it that way."
"I'm so sorry."
("The Philadelphia Story")


Yuman, youman, it's six of one and a half-dozen of the other.
Joe from Massachusetts