Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: sono tante

le parole francesi usate dall'inglese.
quelle italiane sono invece poche. mi
vengono in mente molti termini musicali
e neutrino.
ce ne sono altre?
	-p-

Paolo Levi Sandri ha scritto:
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Pasta, spaghetti, pizza, Cosa Nostra...   :-))
Pronto, bravo, graffiti, neutretto, piano, opera, diva, aria, espresso,
latte, cappuccino, vino, forte, bimbo, stiletto, vendetta.
Sembre il canovaccio per un telenovela.
I'm sure there are more, but those are the only ones that come to mind
at present. Some of them have lost their original meaning, and others
have lost their gender and/or number.
Mary
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"sotto voce" usato nel teatro, "al dente"(pasta)
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 Pronto, neutretto, latte, vino, stiletto, vendetta.
eh??? e neutretto soprattuto cosa sarebbe?
e latte ha cambiato significato?
gli altri che hai citato mi pare rientrino tutti in ambito
musicale.
by the way...
	-p-

 wrote in message 3818C43C...@gnospamvo.it...
| Paolo Levi Sandri ha scritto:
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| > le parole francesi usate dall'inglese.
| > quelle italiane sono invece poche. mi
| > vengono in mente molti termini musicali
| > e neutrino.
| > ce ne sono altre?
| 
| Pasta, spaghetti, pizza, Cosa Nostra...   :-))
Yes, mainly food and drink, isn't it? Here are a few others:
- Cornetto (from a TV add: "Give me one more cornettoooo!" or something similar - he he he), 
- gnocchi (pronounced 'g-nokkee'), 
- bolognese (as in "spaghetti bolog-neese": an English speciality!), 
- lasagne (pronounced 'lasag-nee', obviously), 
- lambrusco (of a kind which is only sold in England, I'm afraid: terribly sweet and NOT something you want to get pootled* on)
* which means "to get drunk", of course. The aftermath of excessive ingestion of bolly. My uncle and aunt always use that expression and, though I know it's made up, I find it really cute! It's a nice-sounding way of saying an inevitably rude-resulting condition (: ).

 e latte ha cambiato significato?
Sì, sono rimasta sorpresa a trovarlo su vari menù di bar l'ultima volta
che sono andata in Inghilterra. Sembra che significhi "latte macchiato".
Poi ho dimenticato zucchini (US - in Inghilterra si chiamano
"courgettes").
Mary
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 - bolognese (as in "spaghetti bolog-neese": an English speciality!),
Most people I know (in the UK) spell it "bolognaise" and pronounce it
"bolognès".
The dish itself may not be very Italian, but it sure beats spaghetti on
toast.
Mary
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 "courgettes").
che poi e' francese.
	-p-

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| Cristina C.Tarabini ha scritto:
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| > - Cornetto (from a TV add: "Give me one more cornettoooo!" or something similar - he he he),
| >
| 
| Yes, I remember that ad. "Just one cornettooooo" was sung to the tune of
| "O sole mio!"
Yes, that was it!! 
 
| > - bolognese (as in "spaghetti bolog-neese": an English speciality!),
| 
| Most people I know (in the UK) spell it "bolognaise" and pronounce it
| "bolognès".
You're right, I didn't remember it well. Unfortunately it's been a while since I last went to the UK. Still, they are not bad (slightly slimy, maybe), but by saing it's an English speciality I meant that an Italian who did not know what they looked like might not know what you mean by 'bolognaise'. A bit like 'zuppa inglese', isn't it?
| The dish itself may not be very Italian, but it sure beats 
| spaghetti on toast.
....mmm... yes... I imagine... though they must be difficult to beat... 
Jokes apart, I don't think I ever tasted them, but I _adore_ beans on toast. Beans with anything, to be honest. (my favourite is jacket potatoe with plenty of butter, salt, sausage, cheese and beans -in that order-... absolutely a must!)
bye there!
cristina


I'm sure you're right; I noticed the word wasn't in the McGraw Hill.
The second definition given by the Collins is "(formerly) any of various
hypothetical neutral particles", so I assume the first definition is
also obsolete, although they don't say so.
Mary
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 -p-
Mi pare che nessuno abbia citato fiasco,
nel senso figurato di "fare fiasco".
Frank
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ce ne sono altre?
Dicono "pronto" ma nel senso di presto.
Per cui ridono quando rispondiamo al telefono cosi'.
E poi espresso e cappuccino e pizza, ovviamente, che pero' declinano al
plurale con la s.
Poi altre, che adesso non ricordo.
Poi un sacco di latino, per il quale hanno la fissa di declinare, molto piu'
di quanto facciamo noi.
Noi diciamo erroneamente "questo media".
In latino sono molti termini medici, saliva e gengiva per esempio.
E un sacco d'altri, adesso ci penso.

 Poi un sacco di latino
Leggere Severgnini la dove parla di (AmEn) "sine qua non" e "vitae" :)))))))

 :)))))))
Ma il sorriso e' per farci capire che anche AmEn (cioe' amen) e'
passata dal latino all'inglese?
Dear Paul Flower, non dirmi che non te ne eri accorto!
:o))
Ciao
Frank
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 :o))
AmEn means "American English" (as I'm sure you realised, Frank!).
And  I seem to think "amen" is Hebrew, not Latin.
However, I'm sure it was a bona fide mistake.
Mary
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However, I'm sure it was a bona fide mistake.
I wouldn't say it was a mistake. It was a sort of pun, but what I'm
not sure of is if Paolo meant to make one.
P.S.: it's nice to see you back on the ng.
I coldn't wait! Or should I say "I was looking forward...". Do you
remember that discussion? :o)))))))))
Frank
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>frank ruscalla ha scritto:
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> Paolo Fiore ha scritto
 >Leggere Severgnini la dove parla di (AmEn) "sine qua non" e "vitae"
 > :)))))))
Pensavo di avere letto tutto quello che Severgini ha scritto, ma questo mi
manca.
Qual'e' il titolo?

 wrote:
" The fact that you looked up 'realize' in the American Heritage Dictionary,
" might explain why you were unable to find the variant 'realise'.  Americans
" favour (excuse me, favor) the 'ize' ending whereas UK English tends to
" prefer the 'ise' option (prioritise, formalise, dramatise, materialise).
La cosa peggiore e` che ci sono dei verbi che anche in inglese vogliono
-ize . Io non me li ricordo mai, ovviamente.
In pratica, puo` convenire lasciare perdere lo stile e scrivere sempre
-ize.
ciao, .mau.

 Qual'e' il titolo?
Sono andato a memoria, pronti via direi addirittura "Inglesi", ma necessita
controllo.
Dice che l'uso americano e' esattamente quello da me virgolettato perche' in
fondo non ne capiscono il significato e quindi che ci sia o no la
"condizione" e' uguale.

things have evolved.
Dear Bambi,
I was obviously aware of the difference, although my experience
overseas was half in Australia and half in the Usa, which contributed
very much in confusing me as far as spelling variations are concerned
("favoUr" is certainly accepted by me! ;-). What surprised me was
rather tha fact that the AHD does not report the British spelling,
since in general this dictionary gives both options.
I was also interested in finding out, if anyone has the answer, why
"ise" became "ize" when English "crossed the Atlantic Ocean" ;o)))
Take care,
Frank
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spelling issue, though.
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Thank you, Max, for your detailed explanation.
Frank