Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Sleet

A cosa corrisponde esattamente il termine inglese "sleet"? "Pioggia
mista a neve", "neve granulosa" (detta in tedesco "graupeln"),
"nevischio" (cioč neve polverulenta)?
Ciao,
Paolo

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Sleet is that wonderful mixture of ice and water that actually melts to
water as it hits you. Your body provides the latent heat for that transition
and this makes you much colder than either water or ice...  you should be
glad if this is untranslatable into Italian... like the Italian friend who
asked "What is the name in English for the building in which you crush
olives into oil?"
Stephen Richards

 olives into oil?"
the frantoio? :-))
Bye,
Paolo

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Cold and wet either way. Sleet: Frozen or partly frozen rain. I suppose
that's before it becomes hail or snow.
cheers,
Loki
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 > water as it hits you.
[snip]
Dear Junior,
I believe you have been asked before and I shall do so again on behalf of
all who follow this group.
Could you please: snip the message you are replying to so that only the
relevant bits are included in your reply: could you also kindly reply
_below_ the message you are responding to.  Truly, this will do much to
enhance everyone's reading enjoyment.
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I remain, as always, ecc., ecc.,
Bambi
dtb


Se mi posso permettere, IMHO la parola č proprio 'nevischio', che non
significa neve pulverulenta, anche se letteralmente vuol dire 'pulviscolo di
neve', bensě
nevischio
pop. tosc. nevistio , s. m. precipitazione formata da neve minutissima mista
ad acqua. pop. tosc. nevistio , s. m. precipitazione formata da neve
minutissima mista ad acqua.
dal dizionario Garzanti Online
Ciao
Giorgio

 Stephen Richards
Dear Stephen,
at least in American English the translation for 'frantoio' exists and it is
'olive mill' ('press' is also used).
BTW, 'frantoio' meant purely 'mill', and nowadays is sometimes called
'frantoio oleario' , since a 'frantoio' can be used also for grinding
stones.
http://www.oliveoilsource.com/mill_and_press_facts.htm
 for futher reference
on olive oil terms.
As the English koinè is so widespread that comprises places like California
that are olive oil producers, also the italian peninsula is sufficiently
long to include a huge amount of mountains in its northern part. And an
awfully huge amount of snow and sleet in these days.
While it is true that Italian language does not have a big variety of terms
for defining different allotropic forms of the snow (one should probably
search northern dialects), Italians driving back from their Christmas
vacations are currently casting a whole new 'Snow dictionary', that it is
mainly intended for mature readers :-)
Ciao
Giorgio
(slipped on the snow and crashed yesterday afternoon on a guard rail. Little
damages, big contributor of the aforementioned dictionary)

 minutissima mista ad acqua.
Cmq i meteorologi chiamano "nevischio" la precipitazione solida corrispondente
alla pioviggine, quindi "neve fine fine".
Invece la neve mista a acqua č detta "acquaneve". Si tratta di due
precipitazioni diverse, per cui č piů che legittimo usare due termini separati
(almeno in un contesto tecnico).
Ciao,
Paolo

 Paolo
Caro Paolo,
hai ragione, in effetti esiste una differenza fra il significato del termine
'nevischio' riportato dal dizionario e quello tecnico dei meteorologi.
Per chi fosse interessato:
http://digilander.iol.it/meteonet/Meteore.htm
Non ho però trovato da alcuna parte il termine 'acquaneve', ma solo 'pioggia
mista a neve'.
Immagino che sia ancora strettamente gergale e uscirà allo scoperto in un
prossimo futuro.
Ciao
Giorgio


Of course, you're correct.. I was just trying to indicate something that was
(nearly) untranslatable, but failed.. so how about translating "I don't have
nothing" in the sense of
"Do you really have nothing?"
"No, I don't have nothing - I have 5p"
Stephen

 "No, I don't have nothing - I have 5p"
Mmm, IMHO, it is possible to translate these sentences  literally with the
addition of quotation marks for emphasis:
"Non hai davvero nulla ?
"No, non ho 'nulla'.  Ho cinque pence."
My tuppence
Giorgio

 our English mother tongue fellows say.
Just as long as you remember that some of us have an irrepressible
(incomprehensible?) sense of humour too - especially when it comes to
words! ;-)))  
But always in the spirit of enlightenment and reasonable English.
  (lo spero)
Cheers,
Loki
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Ok, I admit it, I have been overdoing a little in this thread, but I am a
strong supporter of  the old irrepressible incomprehensible, so I will pay
more attention to it in the future.
Ciao
Giorgio

 dal dizionario Garzanti Online
Grazie. Non sepevo che il dizionario Garzanti era online. Ho trovato e
bucmarcato(?) adesso l'URL 
http://www.garzanti.it/
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Xakero
Sapere aude!
 (Horace, Epistulae)
PS. (?) Se l'ho creata io, la parola bucmarcare (Garzanti Online non
c'è l'ha), chiedo di essere riconosciuto quale tenitore
del "Intelluctual Property Right" :-)
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 del "Intelluctual Property Right" :-)
Dear Xakero,
If you have indeed created the word, please be reminded that all royalties
should rightly be paid into the Realm's coffers. There seems to have been an
excess of expenses over the holidays and they are in sore need of being
replenished. I am certain Buongiorgio will handle the paper work as a
pro-bono case.
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 pro-bono case.
Well, if it's you asking, yes, pro-bono, but a small case of Smoke Notice
Plants for Christmas will be appreciated (or cracklings if they are
available) .
I guess that this ruling will enter the Realm law corpus, being known as the
Bambi Act.
The comma will go mor or less like this:
(a) Initial Ownership. - Copyright in a work protected under this title
vests initially in the author or authors of the work. If the work appears on
Icling, copyright is transferred to the Realm as fast as the author or
authors can turn their head.
Ciao
Giorgio

 authors can turn their head.
Dear Buongiorgio,
ROTFL.
Indeed it is I who humbly ask that you give the matter your most serious
consideration as a pro-bono case and accept with it, our immense gratitude
and thanks (Had one known the high cost of petrol one would have seriously
re-considered the purchase of the Royal Fleet of Red Buses which seems to
account for a greater part of Our Expenses last year).
Crackling left-over from Christmas, alas, there is none. However, for such a
magnanimous gesture as yours, it shall be ordained that fresh crackling be
procured and supplied to your goodself as soon as you send word that the
effects of the Smoke Notice Plants (dispatched earlier this day by our Own
Special Courier) have worn off.
Let all note then: The Bambi Act shall be deemed to have been passed into
law subject to the terms and conditions listed.
Our deepest gratitude for your attention to this matter
(Mind the gravy when you partake of the crackling please)
We remain, as always,
Bambi
dtb

Special Courier) have worn off.
Cracklings? Innocent soul I am, I thought it was something you smoke
in your pipe, but my good old Concise Oxford Dictionary tells me
otherwise. At any rate, if I recall correctly, it is not Buongiorno,
but another knight who is the pipe-slow-smoking champion.
Xakero

 otherwise. 
The oven may smoke though.  ;-)
You know, I've never heard it used in the plural before (have some
crackling) and in our family it referred only to pork crackling. My
American dictionary doesn't clarify that point. My father was English
but maybe it was an Aussie term.  <..has a look in her NZ dictionary,
small but useful...> And a New Zealand definition too. hmmm...
cheers,
Loki
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