Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Is this man wrong?

I'm listening to an Italian language learning tape. The teacher is in
the company of two students. He helps them (and me) to build
sentences. He's talking about the future tense. His first example was
"fare" and "lo farò" is "I will do it". His next example was
"chiamare" and "la chiamarò" is "I will call you"... "chiamarò!?" I
know it should be "chiamerò". Is he indeed saying it wrong or have I
missed something?
http://www.zen9021.zen.co.uk/italian.mp3

I say he's wrong and you are right.
But I'm not italian.
Cheers
jonny schrieb:
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 missed something?
Of course, it should be "chiamerò". And, yes, the man seems to be saying 
"chiamarò", which is wrong.
Max

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Are you learning Italian from an Ammeregan?
Ciao, FB
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 missed something?
Jonny you know Italian much more than that man! :-) 

 Ciao, FB
Mi scusi signore, quell'uomo non è ammeregano, questo si sente nel suo
accento. Ma lui dice "chiamarò" ed è sbagliato. Fosse americano, direbbe
kee-yaem-ur-Ò. :p
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 kee-yaem-ur-Ò. :p
Italiano non è di certo. Magari Jonny saprà dirci di chi si tratta.
Ciao, FB
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mi fa venire i conati.
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in italiano si dice "chiamerò" però in dialetto veneto si dice anche
"ciamarò" non vorrei che il tipo avesse mescolato le due cose...

jonny ha scritto:
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He's definitely speaking with an English accent: non so bad a
pronunciation in general, but definitely too bad for someone who's
supposed to be teaching Italian.
That vowel is actually an English "schwa" (like the first "a" in "about"),
which is in fact closer to Italian "a" than to Italian "e".
Perhaps that's just because he wants to say the English translation after
the Italian word, so he "enters in English mode" a little bit too early.
If I was in him, I'd avoid trying to mix the two languages in the same
recording.
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 recording.
That's a good point. It seems to me the best recorded lessons I've used
made use of two people, one in the native language and one in the language
being learned.
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Thanks, I thought so.

Are you learning Italian from an Ammeregan?
His name is Michel Thomas. A jack of all trades, master of none. He's
a Polish born linguist that can speak English, French, Spanish, German
& Italian, (apparently). I am disappointed with this mistake that he
made because I do like his teaching methods.

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I don't though Max that's the problem :)
(scusa l'inglese ;-))

He's definitely speaking with an English accent
He isn't though, to answer your and apo's post at the same time. He
actually meant to pronounce it "chiamarò". I listed to the earlier
tape in which he implied that it was easy to change the stem of the
main verb to future 1st person singular just by replacing "e" with
"ò".

 made because I do like his teaching methods.
You're learning Italian from a Polish who speaks English? We say "vai
tranquillo!" * in these parts.
* Could someone supply the English equivalent?
Bye, FB
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Se fossi in te, non userei "if I was in him". This expression is never
used, except perhaps in a religious or spiritual sense. Here It
suggests a physical act.
"If I were he" (If I were him is often used colloquially, although
technically incorrect, just as "It is I" is correct, but "It's me" is
very common, at least in the US).
Another possibility is "If I were in his place (position)".
Some would say the subjunctive is unnecessary here, but don't listen
to them.
Joe from Massachusetts

* Could someone supply the English equivalent?
I obviously don't know but in English "The blind leading the blind"
springs to mind.

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by <something> I mean a noun, with Polish being the adjective. I'm
crap at explaining this. I'm sure you know it already.

 it always has to be "a Polish <something>".
"Polish" is pronounced unlike "polish", yes?
I've read in an Isaac Asimov book that it's the *only* word 
in English with a different pronunciation if its first 
letter is capitalized or not.
(cacchio che frase intorcinata)
 
-- 
oggi no, domani sì

 * Could someone supply the English equivalent?
Yes. "Go bang your head against the wall."
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Well, that may be, but there are also words that are pronounced differently 
even if the first letter is not capitalized, depending on the function 
(verb/noun, etc.) (cacchio che frase intorcinata)
(Now you're going to ask for examples, aren't you?)
Complex is accented on the first syllable when it's a noun indicating a 
bunch of buildings or a psychological issue.
When it's accented on the second syllable it's an adjective meaning 
"complicated" or "involved" or "hard to figure out."
There are many more, but my brain is on "holiday weekend mode" already, so 
if you want more maybe someone else can contribute, or I'll revisit the 
subject later. :)
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 "a Polish man" it always has to be a "Polish <something>".
You can also say "a Pole who speaks English".
Joe from Massachusetts

You can also say "a Pole who speaks English".
It'd like Spanish and Spaniard, right?
Sebastiano

(cacchio che frase intorcinata)
I don't think it's the capitalisation that makes the difference. It is
possible to start a sentence with the word "polish". Capitalising it
wouldn't change the pronunciation.
Another similar example I can think of is "read". Present tense "read"
is pronounced "reed", past tense "read" is pronounced "red".

 suggests a physical act.
Ooops!
This is even more embarrassing considering that my whole Usenet nickname
is, ideally, "Cingar Scampasoga, Cimarostus, Salsa *DIABLI*".
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 actually meant to pronounce it "chiamarò".
In that case, he's simply wrong. As others explained, this form of future
was common in ancient Italian, and is still used in several dialects, but by
no means it can be considered standard modern Italian.
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