Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Another their...

I've come across this sentence:
"Another their application is [..]".
Is it correct?
Kiuhnm

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 I dare say "application of them" would at least be better sounding.
It seems more natural to me too. Regarding your sentence, I'd say "would 
at least sound better", but many years must pass for me to be certain of 
something about English.
Kiuhnm

 Is it correct?
No

 It seems more natural to me too.
"application of them"? Who are "they"? If they're an inanimate object,
maybe. If they are people,
or a company, "an application of theirs" would sound much better to
me. Or "Another [one] of
their applications is..."

 me.
Why? I say "The application of something" and therefore "the application 
of them". Why should the "application" belong to them?
That's a point I'd like to discuss. I have surely a problem with it.
Kiuhnm

 No
Ts.
K.

 of them". Why should the "application" belong to them?
But "of theirs" is what I would say if "they" are people or a company.
That's not
the case here.

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No.  Another application of them is also incorrect.  A chatbot speaks
better than that.
See Adam's answer for the correct form.
A.

 No.  Another application of them is also incorrect.
I can just about invent a use for "another application of them":
"Fourier Transforms are used in signal processing and trout fishing.
Another application of them is in the preparation of Gouda cheese for
religious ceremonies in Uzbekistan."

 better than that.
Are you sure?
http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=052181782X
etc...
Kiuhnm

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Yes, but of course you can find pretty much anything on the
Internet.
bye
A.

 Internet.
Yes, and your post is not an exception.
What I don't really understand is how can someone state things that are 
clearly wrong.
For instance you say:
"See Adam's answer for the correct form."
while is clear to everyone that Adam confirmed that version.
Moreover, Adam has just given you another example of that use.
Kiuhnm

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And you, I'm afraid, will always be impaired in learning English because of 
your unwarranted arrogance. What you didn't get, stupid, is that this usage 
is substandard. Deny your lack of comprehension, as usual, but to others it 
is clear. 

 is clear. 
Still exploiting any opportunity to take your little revenge? Grow up, Tony.
Kiuhnm

 Yes, and your post is not an exception.
Ah, yes, I didn't like very much what you said about the chat bot, but 
my post is a bit too rude.
Kiuhnm

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I don't need revenge for anything, Kiuhnm. My ego isn't at stake here. I'm 
just finding myself reacting again to your lack of appreciation and bad 
manners toward others. 

 manners toward others.
Although, I should add that I wouldn't bother saying anything if I didn't 
think you were capable of better behavior. 


(Sorry for the long url, but I hate links that die fast.).
Look at the last paragraph. I don't think it can be considered as 
"anything on the Internet".
Kiuhnm

 "anything on the Internet".
It can be considered as something on the internet. Most professional editors 
would consider it an awkward and dense construction that would benefit from 
a few aggressively placed red pencil marks. You, however, may consider it 
perfectly wonderful.
To those reading who are here to learn, don't use 'another their 
application', it makes no sense. I would also advise against using 'another 
application of them' because you'll sound like a bad writer, even if the 
reader can decipher what you mean to say after some belabored effort. 

 reader can decipher what you mean to say after some belabored effort.
That's exactly what I was trying to say but didn't phrase it quite as
elonquently.
If you used either one of those expressions in spoken or written
English most people around here would probably think that English was
not your native language.   I think Adam also said that "another their
application" was incorrect while he assigned a "maybe" to "an
application of them".  Well, maybe that's a maybe in British English,
but here, that's not even a "maybe".
bye
Ari

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I hope I didn't offend Adam whose answers are always appreciated.   I
want to stress the fact that in the States "an application of them"
sounds like a literal translation from another language or something
that you'd get from an online translator.
ari

 that you'd get from an online translator.
If "them" refers to the authors of a computer program, then I agree
it's out
of the question. If "them" refers to some substance or process (in the
plural) then I'm
pretty sure I can invent a context in which it would pass unnoticed.
"Fourier and Laplace transforms were developed in 1658 and immediately
found
use in the solution of differential equations, forming the ice at
parties, and repelling
alien invasions. Another application of them was discovered in 1970 by
Sir Hector
Biscuit, working for the Egg Marketing Board."
What do you think?

 that you'd get from an online translator.
Someone in another forum has suggested "application" in the sense of
poultices:
Dr Smith used mustard and olive oil on the wound. After the first
course of treatment
results were not promising, but another application of them improved
matters considerably.
I'm not sure that I've succeded in producing anything entirely
satisfactory so far,
but I'd say "application of them" is substantially less awful than
"another their application".

 that you'd get from an online translator.
IMHO, you are only partially right.
We can say "the application of it", but we must say "one of its 
applications".
For instance:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200001/ldjudgmt/jd001214/johnso-1.htm
Kiuhnm

 IMHO, you are only partially right.
Do you really think you can contend with native speakers about a matter 
of linguistic usage?

 taken as a disclaimer.
You should put it in your signature!!! :-)
  - Anonymous

 of linguistic usage?
What's wrong with it? We Italians make mistakes once in a while.
I don't memorize answers without filtering and rationalizing them. You 
shouldn't take my insistence as a sign of arrogance. If I ask it means I 
still have some doubts. I'm here to learn, not to pretend to know 
English as well as a native speaker.
BTW, does anyone read Adam's posts besides me and Joey? Should I 
consider him a native speaker or would it be too risky an assumption?
Kiuhnm

 What do you think?
It's understandable, but I find it strained and awkward. I don't think that 
any of the professional editors with whom I have worked would let it pass. 
Of course, they only worked with American English, so if it sounds perfectly 
fine to you it may be more acceptable to the average British ear. 

 matters considerably.
Dunno. That sentence sounds a tad awkward to my non-native ear :-)

 "another their application".
I agree on point no. 1, but as far as "another their application" goes, it's 
just wrong and doesn't make sense. "Another of their applications..." would 
work.
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It sound weird.  If I read that somewhere, I would assume that the
writer is not a native speaker.  I would have said "another
application *for* them was discovered..."
bye
Ari

 It sound weird.
Yes it do :-P

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It don't to me. But then, I don't talk good. ;-P
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Why not just "another application improved ..."
Joe from Massachusetts