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Titolo: Italian words in English?

Hello.
I have found some italian words in the "Oxford dictionary of English".
Exactly, I have found the words: "finocchio", "ciabatta", "ciao",
"cornetto", "principessa", "circa".
Do you know other examples?
Bye.
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Pizza.
Mafia.
Opera.
Andante con brio.
Peltio.

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spaghetti
macaroni (sarebbe maccheroni)
al fresco (for example, "an al fresco dinner")
pasta
cannelloni
lasagna
zucchini
broccoli
espresso
cappuccino
paparazzo
dolce vita

cappuccino
Don't forget latte
bye
Arianna

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"bravo"
Charlie Ciu-Ciu

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 "He  looked at his own Soul with a Telescope.
What seemed all irregular, he saw and shewed to be beautiful Constellations;
and he added to the Counsciousness hidden worlds within worlds."
S.T. COLERIDGE, Notebooks


Ester, come ti ha detto Lady Macbeth esiste veramente.  E' una abbreviazione di
caffe' latte (is it one word or two in Italian?).
esistono pure "macchiato', "corretto" e tanti altri.  
Le parole italiane che sono state elencate in questo thread sono solo solo una
piccola percentuale.  Molti termini musicali sono in italiano, incluso i nomi
di alcuni strumenti (qualcuno ha forse menzionato "piano"?).  Diversi termini
culinari sono pure in italiano. Basta andare in un caffe' o ristorante e
guardare il menu'.  
If I have time, I will sit down and compile a long, long list.
ciao
arianna
bye the way....how about "ciao?  Has anyone mentioned that yet?

 bye the way....how about "ciao?  Has anyone mentioned that yet?
Pronto!
Ciao
Peltio

 Peltio.
e allegro, pianoforte, violoncello, piccolo, bravo (ma non brava/e/i/)
ecc. Not to mention calzone, focaccia, mozzarella, pesto, spaghetti. 
But the less said about the mispronunciation of aforementioned words,
the better. :-)
Ciao
Loki
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 semantico è differente da quello italiano. 
"latte drinkers" is a description here of certain city dwellers. I'm not
sure of it's precise meaning, but think 'yuppies' and you'll get the
idea. :-)
Cheers,
Loki
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 Charlie Ciu-Ciu
You must be a Stephen King fan... or I'm wrong?
Anyway, I am and your nick make me think of one of his books
hi:)

 > Do you know other examples?
SIMPATICO (come me).

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graffiti, piazza, pasta, bella...  have you noticed that almost all of the
Italian words in English are positive and happy..?

 SIMPATICO (come me).
How about ego?  <heheh>
Loki
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> How about ego?  <heheh>
My ego (in the Freudian sense) is perfectly well, though I hate to explain
my jokes. Try to sharpen your sense of irony, if you can (... but the
problem is: can you?).
Kisses.

 my jokes
Credo che Loki si riferisse a "ego" come parola italiana (I hate to explain
loki's jokes... :-)). In realtà è latino. Buffo come, in psicologia, si parli
di "ego" in inglese mentre in italiano è più accettato l'uso di "io".
[OT: Chi si ricorda la canzone di Scialpi "L'Io e l'Es"? :-))]
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Ciao
Anna


I regret having to point out "almost all".
In fact, mafia isn't.
:(

Hi all,
A few more words come to mind...
"forte", as in that's not me forte
"adagio," "arioso," "crescendo,"
"diminuendo" and a slew of other musical terms
and "cin cin," though we spell it "chin chin."
Ciao,
Harriet

 hi:)
You are right! :)
Charlie Ciu-Ciu


Me la ricordo io. Mi piaceva un sacco, malgrado la banalizzazione.
(Perché hai violato la consegna generale e ti sei messa a parlare con me,
pazza?)
Io o Ego + Es + Super-Io o Super-Ego.
Se ho qualcosa di ipertrofico, purtroppo, quello è proprio il Super-Ego (=
tensione ideale, valori morali). Baci.


Ego (io) veramente e' una parola latina.
Se vogliamo guardare le parole latine entrate nella lingua italiana e idem in
inglese allora ne possisamo trovare a tonnellate.  No solo si trovano parole,
ma espressioni complete. 
ciao
arianna

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You missed the point - it too is an italian word in the dictionary. My
irony is so sharp you missed it. ;-)))
Loki 
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 explain loki's jokes... :-)). In realtà è latino. 
Sei brava. :-)
Sí, ma anche italiano se ho capito bene la I doppo la L nel mio
dizionario. 
Cheers,
Loki
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Foods/drinks: Marsala, Martini, zucchini...
Science: miasma, mica, pupa, manìa, magnolia...
Music: vibrato, allegro, maestro,cello...
Architecture/art: veranda, terracotta...
and, viceversa,there are a lot of English words in the Italian dictionaries
as well!
Bye
Gatt...@libero.it

 irony is so sharp you missed it. ;-)))
The knife of your irony is completely blunt, IMHO.
:-(((

 
No, it's not Italian.
Your dictionary's trying to tell you that it's Latin for "I" :-))
Mary

 Mary
Oops, You are so right! Live and learn ... sometimes. ;-)
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  IMHO.
Humble??? Since when?     ;-) 
Loki <busy sharpening her katana>
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> Humble??? Since when?     ;-)
From the beginning of Time, Bye.
God

ma espressioni complete. 
Bona fide? Subpoena? Affidavit?
(I confess. Been reading Kay Scarpetta again :-))
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Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching
http://web.tiscalinet.it/alfabeto_auschwitz/

 (Perché hai violato la consegna generale e ti sei messa a parlare con me,
Nessuna consegna, le nostre Fairie Queenies sono molto liberal, freedom of
speech in the Realm.
Credo anche di sapere perché hai cambiato il titolo del thread... E' vero,
anche il mio cognome è un'italian word entrata nello standard English. I kinda
like it, I must admit (my surname... *and* a martini now and then, I mean).
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Ciao
Anna

(I confess. Been reading Kay Scarpetta again :-))
Talking about Kay Scarpetta.... I'm now reading "Body Of Evidence"
(translated in italian) again and I'm waiting for "Black Notice"
(ordered from Amazon) to arrive.
Do you all think P. Cornwell books are particularly difficult to read
in the original version? You know... I wouldn't be able to read
Joyce's "Ulysses" in English, but I've read other books, mostly
scientific ones, quite easily.
Would it be better if I also buy a translated version?
This is supposed to be a help requesting post but it's also a
warning..... prepare yourself for a lot of questions... the book
should be delivered in a month :))
Ciao,		beatrice.
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Inside her head may lay all the answers/For curin' diseases from baldness
to cancer/Salt of the earth and a real good dancer/But I really hate her
... I'll think of a reason later

 (translated in italian
What do you think about the Italian translation of Body of Evidence (Oggetti
di reato)?

di reato)?
Oh-- I wonder why you're asking that? You know the translator, or
something?
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warning... prepare yourself for a lot of questions... 
I'm positively salivating-- talking about Scarpetta is the next best
thing after reading her :-)
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 something?
Chi può mai dire di conoscersi fino in fondo?

 should be delivered in a month :))
<<Detective stories are the best way to widen your vocabulary.
     Even though Pat Cornwell bores me to death I'm anticipating your
questions.
     By the way  for  what it is worth my advice is Jeffrey Deaver and
Michael Connelly .
Yours
Sal

 Don't be put off, and it's a great way to widen your vocabulary.
But just if you had to speak into a police radio!!!!! :)))))))

di reato)?
I haven't read the original version so I don't know what to say.
I've noticed a couple of mistakes like "Ero stanco" instead of "Ero
stanca"; not exactly this sentence but this kind of errors (it's just
my opinion, maybe I'm the one who's wrong). Anyway  they could be not
the translator's fault and they're nothing compared to the Peter Pan's
"oyster/ostrich affair" somebody pointed out some time ago.
Ciao,		beatrice.
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Don't be put off, and it's a great way to widen your vocabulary. 
My vocabulary sure needs to be widened, but I've decided to read a
P.C.'s novel in English because I've loved her books so far and I
think it's time to know how they *really* are. It's like looking at a
painting with a pair of glasses someone else has made for you, you
don't know (if and) how much they distort the painting until you take
them off.
Thanks for your help.
Ciao,		beatrice.
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If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the 
people he gave it to. -Dorothy Parker

"oyster/ostrich affair" somebody pointed out some time ago.
Some...body?
Some-bloody-body?
SOME FRIGGIN' BODY?!
:-/
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     Even though Pat Cornwell bores me to death 
That's it. You blew it. Off my Christmas list. NOW.
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Michael Connelly .
I'll try them out, and if I don't like them I'll know who to blame ;)
Ciao,		beatrice.
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And the end of all our exploring/Will be to arrive where we 
started/And know the place for the first time.
T.S. Eliot "Little Gidding/Four Quartets" (1942)

:-/
I'm afraid to ask....
Have I said something wrong?
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I'll try them out, and if I don't like them I'll know who to blame ;)
Sal's a bloke. Those other two're blokes. Need I say more? Bloody
chauvinist conspiracy!
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Have I said something wrong?
You betcha, sistah
(That wasn't <<somebody>>... that was ME!)
LOL
Ciao,
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Strange, they're the ones I like least; I really don't think Cornwell's
very good at humour. And it can't be the translator's fault; I read
Hornet's Nest in English and Southern Cross in Italian.
Mary

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Oh, sei *quel* Lucio Angelini! Adesso vado a spulciare il libro alla
ricerca di errori :-))
Scherzo, da quel che mi ricordo, la traduzione era ben fatta.
Giusto per la mia curiosità, perché la Mondadori ha cambiato traduttore
per i libri della Cornwell? Gli altri che ho io erano tradotti da Anna
Rusconi.
Mary (traduttrice non-letteraria)

Rusconi.
Perche' Angelini costa un'ira di Dio! :-)
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>(Yeah, OK, so kids have Harry Potter and we have Dr. Scarpetta, so
what? :-))
Kids ?
Giorgio
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 :-/
Stroppy then. ;-)))
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 something?
Do you have the tale of the Boy Who Cried Wolf in italiano by any
chance?
Loki
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 From Potter's Field
How did harry Potter end up in one of her books? ;-))))
Cheers,
Loki
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 But just if you had to speak into a police radio!!!!! :)))))))
I once read a research paper that said police officers understood words
far better that the codes used.
Over and Out,
Loki
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 chauvinist conspiracy!
You bloody beaut! (This is a positive sentiment, just in case you're
wondering.)
Nice to see you practising good old downunder English. :-)))
spot ya later,
Loki
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 chance?
We have everything, here in Italy. Sense of irony included.

 Kid In Shining Armour
(ROTFL)
Ahem.... Regaining composure.
Kids?
I say, Kids?!
Streuth!!
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I remain, as always,
Bambi
dtb (in full flowing majestic regalia, sceptre and orb included), side-
straddling  a wooden pony, being pulled by visiting blue alien children (one
presumes Peltio's relatives), through the hallways of the Palace.Can you
not just picture it?

 Loki
Dear Loki,
I thought the expression was 'cop' ya later. Am I confused as is often the
case?
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Mary
Dear Mary,
I have to agree with you. She seems to come close but somehow, just misses
the mark as far as humour goes. I read them both in English and so cannot
comment on the translation.
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 Stroppy then. ;-)))
Dear Loki,
< snicker>
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 Ciao, beatrice.
Dear Beatrice,
Lord save us, but don't get her started on _that_ again!
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I remain, as always, ecc., ecc.,
Bambi
dtb

 Have I said something wrong?
Dear Beatrice,
cfr. my previous post in this thread.....Oops! Too late.
Fear not however,  HRH Isabella's bark is much worse than her bite. You are
safe in the Realm.
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How did harry Potter end up in one of her books? ;-))))
Just LURVE this woman (and this thread) :-D
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Stroppy then. ;-)))
Say it loud, stroppy and proud :-))
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 often the case?
<... I'll let the earthquake finish first before I reply... that's
better.> 
I see that as more British, but I could be wrong. The trouble is with so
many movies and TV, it's hard to keep all the idioms seperate.
see ya,
Loki
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 Kids ?
Kisas In Disguise
cheers,
Peltio

 Kisas In Disguise
Brilliant these guys;-)
Ciao
Giorgio

 not just picture it?
As if I was watching at the scene with these my very eyes, Majesty. Should
we ask Paolo Beneforti to take some sketches in his scrapbook for a future
equestrian statue ?
BTW, is 'streuth' a word reserved for Royalty, since I am not able to find
the meaning in any dictionary ?
Humbly Yours
Giorgio
P.S. Don't you find carrying an orb quite uncomfortable ? Unless it conceals
a flask of bolly, obviously.

 chauvinist conspiracy!
 <<
<<Yes I admit to being a bloke .
     I also admit to Ruth Rendell being my favourite English writer, one the
most intelligent people living in England,
     a living treatise of sociolology and were she not much older than me
the woman of my dreams.
    I hope my wife is not reading this.
   Yours
Sal

 the meaning in any dictionary ?
I was wondering about that, too, this not being the first time Her
Majesty Bambi has used this interesting word, and I have now
discovered that streuth, also written strewth (in my faithful Concise
Oxford Dictionary), is a mild oath, contracted from "God's truth".
As far as I can make out it is what, in the good old time, the upper
classes used to say when they felt like swearing but swearing wasn't
the thing to do. Not that I advocate swearing, Heaven forbid!
--
Xakero
 Sapere aude!  (Horace, Epistulae)

     I hope my wife is not reading this.
Especially as it's only second-rate lip service :-))
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 Isa
Is now the time to admit I haven't read any of her books? ...yet...
cheers,
Loki
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Is now the time to admit I haven't read any of her books? ...yet...
Your soul can still be saved, Sister! Start *now* with a honest heart!
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 conceals a flask of bolly, obviously.
Dear Buongiorgio,
My apologies for such a late response. Matters abroad have taken up more
time than we had originally anticipated.
Your question regarding 'streuth' has been fully answered by our own good
Xakero- ever a font of knowledge and wit, much like your goodself.
As for sketches for an eventual equestrian statue ( what a splendid idea!),
I have now taken steps to ensure this will be done. Similar to a
self-portrait if you will, which I then hope to work on the quiet of night
when the visiting alien children are (it is to be hoped) sound asleep.
The carrying of an orb is a tradition one is most reluctant to dispense
with, notwithstanding the personal discomfort it entails. I am sure you know
how fond we are of tradition and for this reason we shall continue to do as
duty commands. Sadly, it does not conceal any bolly whatsoever, but now that
you mention it, surely it must now be time for a little something....
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