Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Mi aiutate in una traduzione??

Sto tentando di tradurre per un esame di letteratura inglese una tragedia di
Yeats....e mi sono imbattuta in questa parte che proprio non capisco....
---Mary: What can have made the grey hen flutter so?
Teingue: (a boy of fourteen, is coming in with turf, which he lays beside
the heart) They say that now the land is famine-struck. The graves are
walking.
M: What can the hen have heard?
T: And that is not the worst; at Tubber-vanach a woman met a man with ears
spread out, and they moved up and down like a bat's wing.---
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Scusate se ho scritto tutto il pezzo, qualcosa lo capisco anch'io, ma forse
è più facile capirlo se lo si ha tutto davanti.....per la disperazione ho
tentato anche di tradurlo con il sito www.freetranslation.com... ma non
credo che questa sia la traduzione esatta!! Fatevi due risate....
--->Che può avere ha fatto l'oscillazione di gallina grigia cosí? Dicono che
adesso la terra è carestia-colpito. Le tombe camminano. Che la gallina può
avere ha sentito? E ciò non è il peggiore; al Tubber-vanach che una donna ha
incontrato un uomo con la coperta di orecchia fuori, ed hanno mosso su e giù
come un'ala del pipistrello. <---
Aiuto vi prego!!!  Grazie!!
Ary
aria...@iol.it

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Beh.... io non mi cimenterei mai nella traduzione di un passaggio
letterario pero' ti posso dare un paio di consigli che hanno a che fare
piu' con l'itlaiano che con l'inglese.
Il termine "oscillare" in italiano credo sia piu' usato per oggetti
inanimati che non persone o animali, quindi trova un altro vocabolo
(palpitare, vibrare, battere le ali...).  Quindi io direi:  che puo'
aver fatto svolazzare cosi' la gallina grigia?
Carestia colpito = colpita dalla carestia.
E cio' non e' il peggiore?  Io direi "E cio' non e' la cosa peggiore".
Al.....una donna ha incontrato un uomo con le orecchie a.... (boh non
so come si dice in italiano... forse "a ventola"?) che si muovevano su
e giu' come le ali di un pipistrello.
Not much, but that's the best I can do.  I wouldn't attempt to
translate a contemporary author, let alone one of the turn of the
century.
Speriamo che qualcun altro ti possa aiutare.
Ciao
arianna
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Speriamo che qualcun altro ti possa aiutare.
I will try to, even if (and this may appear hazardous of me) that passage is
not that difficult, IMHO.
Anyway,
M : Che cosa può aver fatto svolazzare così la gallina grigia ? (no problem)
T : Si dice che ora la terra sia colpita da carestia. Le tombe aumentano (I
don't like "camminano", but this is    just my opinion, in fact I think this
is what the writer meant ; nevertheless, advice is well accepted)
M : Cosa può aver sentito la gallina ?
T : E ciò non è il peggio ; da Tubber-vanach (?) una donna ha incontrato un
uomo con le orecchie a sventola,
e si muovevano su e giù come un'ala di pipistrello.
BTW, don't trust those translations, Ary !!!
Bye Asoka xx'82
<< However fast you may run, you will never overreach the ball >>

Vi ringrazio per l'aiuto! Credo che non riuscirò mai a capire il senso di
questo libro, speravo di trovare in libreria una traduzione....ma ne ho
girate a decine e niente!! Mi sa che mi dovrò impegnare e cercare di capirci
qualcosa.... Grazie ancora!
Ary

"mobeel" (same as clubmobile, bloodmobile and bookmobile).
Dear Arianna,
Say, what is a clubmobile? Is it the thing for transporting golf clubs
that is called "caddy " by the Brits?
Ciao. Andreas
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Good guess, but wrong! a clubmobile e' un piccolo trailer (che in
italinao mi pare si dica "roulotte") da cui si puo' comprare caffe',
panini, dolci ecc.  Non credo ne esitanto in Italia o almeno io non ne
ho mai visti.  Li puoi trovare al di furori di uffici o stabilimenti
che sono lontani dai negozi.  Forse mi spiego meglio in inglese:
A clubmobile is a trailer equipped with hot coffe, sanswiches, pastries
and etc.  You find them outside large office complexes or factories
during the worker's breaks.  Clubmobiles move to different locations
and give people who work far from stores or coffee shops a chance to
get something to eat during their breaks or lunch hours.
Capito?
ciao
Arianna
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 Arianna
Ma detto cosě, č solo un carrello come quello che usano per venderti panini,
bibite ecc... sui treni! E' questo?
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emgipi


Non e' un carrello.  E' un autoveicolo.
ciao :-))
arianna
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 che sono lontani dai negozi.
Per esistere, esistono anche in Italia, di solito spacciano porchetta nelle
feste rionali, mentre meno diffuso è l'uso di servire da mensa aziendale
mobile, ma mi sembra di avere notato anche quello.
Ciao
Giorgio

 la U-haul.
Hai ragione.  Forse "trailer" non e' la parola migliore per una
spiegazione in italiano.   Ricopio qui cio' che ho trovato nel mio
dizionario, Webster Third New International Dictionary.
Clubmobile n.s. [club (association) + automobile] a trailer equipped
like a clubroom for serving hot coffee, doughnuts, candy, cigarettes,
and supplying recreational equippment to troops or workers.
Comunque vedo che avete capito di che cosa si tratta.
ciao
Arianna
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 ciao :-))
Sono arrivati anche qui eh :)))) Basta frequentare qualunque manifestazione
all'aperto...
Ma non conosco l'italiano


Ah beh.... meno male.  Almeno non mi sento tanto in colpa quando non
conosco qualche parola in inglese.
chau
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 conosco qualche parola in inglese.
hehehehhe comunque userei qualche giro di parole partendo da "camper"

 feste rionali, [.....]
Dear Giorgio,
How is it that in Italy, one can purchase a most excellent panino with
porchetta most anywhere, but finding a joint of pork complete with rind to
then be scored and put in the oven for Sunday lunch (Yorkshire Pud and spuds
to accompany it, a most desireable option) is almost impossible? What is a
joint of
pork without its crackling, I ask you?
Is this to be one of life's eternal mysteries?
I remain, as always,
Bambi - 'crackling-less'  for a long time now.
dtb

 dtb
dtb (just not mention the roasted pork ;-))
I hope your computer is getting well
Giorgio

>Bambi lamented with regard to lack of crackling in Italy:
Buongiorgio replied:
    > I promptly performed a thorough investigation about the subject.
    > As a first step, I felt that I could exclude that in Italy there are
    > 'porchetta slices trees' or 'porchetta slices mines'
Thus proving once and for all, that not only are you worthy of the title
K.I.S.A but as a side-line, engage most excellently in private investigative
work. Judging by your results your work is of the highest order. I feel your
instincts in presuming to exclude porchetta trees and mines, most sound.
    > Then, I made the most sensible thing, I posed the question to a chef
    >during my lunch break.
Most sensible indeed and also demonstrating a keen interest in your task
above and beyond the call of duty.
        >> What is a  joint of  pork without its crackling, I ask you?
            > A caloric bomb without detonator ?
ROTFL
    > Well, I have to admit that the I like very much  pork roasted the
    >British way. This specialty has saved my life several times in England.
Then I must say Rule Britannia!  Thank you kindly for your exhaustive
investigations and for your kind wishes regarding my computer.
Sadly I have to report that no amount of tender loving care could revive the
beast from its death bed and so, reluctantly, I had to bid it farewell -
though it had travelled with me across many oceans. It has now been replaced
by a newer version, which despite several days of not wanting to play, seems
now to have made up its mind that it will, and so, I am hopeful all is well
and will remain so. I am however sans spell check, and the long-time
residents of The  Realm will understand the catastrophic import of this
statement (for them, naturally).
Might I apologise in advance for errors (too numerous to count) which will
for a while make their way into my posts, until such time as I can install
something which will aid me in my attempts to place letters on the screen in
the order in which it has long been ordained they should appear.
I remain, as always,
humbly and gratefully yours,
Bambi
dtb

 work.
I hope that this does not mean that you have the intention to appoint me
Seneschal of the Realm. If there is a knight that I do not like, that is Sir
Kay, although foster brother of the King.
Investigation and quest are part of the normal duty and life of the
K.I.S.A.,as many Holy Grails quests witness.
 And, obviously, pork is a matter of the utmost importance.
Giorgio

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Buongiorgio wrote:
    > I hope that this does not mean that you have the intention to appoint
me
    > Seneschal of the Realm. If there is a knight that I do not like, that
is Sir
    > Kay, although foster brother of the King.
A sentiment shared by the undersigned, and therefore you need have no fear.
    > Investigation and quest are part of the normal duty and life of the
    > K.I.S.A.,as many Holy Grails quests witness.
Indeed, indeed, but in these modern times, it is an oft forgotten duty. We
are pleased - and grateful as mentioned elsewhere- that this is not the case
with regards to your goodself.
    >  And, obviously, pork is a matter of the utmost importance.
Obviously. Just ask 'Babe'
Hoping your day is off to a most worthy start,
I remain, as always,
Bambi
dtb

>Betty delighfully wrote:
    > I'm sorry for your computer mishap, to tell the truth I sensed
something of
    >the kind when you wrote about some virus included into an attachment
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Dear Betty,
Your words of encouragement and support have been gratefully accepted. In
truth, it was not a virus which ailed old faithful, but a case of old age,
possibly prolonged jet-lag (I am sure Janis knows a thing or two about the
latter) and who knows what else. However, all is as it should be now with
the latest addition to my family, and I for one am most heartfully thankful
that this should be so.
Your kindly pointing out a site which might assist the undersigned with her
poor spelling is also most heartily noted and I thank you for the URL.
Please be assured that you have, as is your want, been far more than 'a tad'
useful.
With thanks,
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