Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Modo di dire

Che cosa significa la frase "the fat lady hasn't sung yet" ?
Esiste una versione corrisponde in italiano?
Per curiosità, è un modo di dire americano o britannico?
Grazie.
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 Grazie.
< Si riferisce alle opere liriche .
Il soprano di solito e' abbastanza corpulento e fino a quando non muore
cantando l'opera non è finita.
Yours
Sal

 cantando l'opera non è finita.
Penso di no. È un modo di dire americano e gli americani non sopportano l'opera
ma invece lo sport. Dopo un gioco di baseball era una signora grassa si chiama
Kate Smith che cantava l'antifona americana.

 ha scritto:
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Penso anch'io si tratti di un modo di dire americano, ma ancora non ne
capisco il senso. Potrebbe derivare dallo sport, ma, spulciando su Google,
vedo che è usato comunemente come risposta.
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 vedo che è usato comunemente come risposta.
La mia risposta era soltanto un 'urban legend.' Un buon indizio è che l'antifona
è cantata prima del gioco. Infatti, non so da dove viene questo modo di dire.

La mia curiosità delle origini del detto è stata stimolata e ho trovato questa
spiegazione a 
www.wordorigins.org
The opera ain't over until the fat lady sings. Many have wondered where this
phrase comes from. Well, they have to keep on wondering because the origin is
obscure.
The phrase was first used in column by sportswriter Dan Cook in 1976. Cook's
column, which appeared in the San Antonio News-Express, was about the San
Antonio Spurs, a professional basketball team. But Cook didn't coin the phrase;
he may have added the bit about the opera, but he didn't create the phrase all
on his own.
That same year, the phrase Church ain't out 'till the fat lady sings appears in
a pamphlet titled Southern Words and Sayings, by Fabia and Charles Smith.
Given that no one has found a citation earlier than 1976 indicates that the
phrase, in whatever form, is probably not much older than that. It is more
likely a folksy-sounding invention, rather than a traditional Southern
expression. Both variants are from the Southern US, although the Smiths don't
indicate what part of the South the Church variant is from. And since they
appear nearly simultaneously, we can't tell which version is the original.

 Per curiosità, è un modo di dire americano o britannico?
It is listed in the Cambridge International Dictionary of Idioms
(
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/default.asp?dict=I
) but without etymology.
QUOTE
It's not over until the fat lady sings. informal
something that you say when someone is losing a game or competition but you
think there is still a chance they might win
   Tony's only two games behind. And as they say, it's not over until the
fat lady sings.
UNQUOTE
Regrettably, I have lost my access to OED Online and therefore cannot look
it up there.
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Xakero

 Per curiosità, è un modo di dire americano o britannico?
Here's another online dictionary entry
(
http://www.bartleby.com/66/26/3626.html
), confirming what Tony said in his
latest post in this thread:
QUOTE
QUOTATION: The opera isn’t over till the fat lady sings.
ATTRIBUTION: Anonymous.
A modern proverb along the lines of “don’t count your chickens before they’
re hatched.” This form of words has no precise origin, though both Bartlett’
s Familiar Quotations (16th ed., 1992) and The Concise Oxford Dictionary of
Proverbs (ed. John Simpson, 1982) state that the words were first recorded
in Washington Post, June 13, 1978, said by sports commentator Dan Cook.
Bartlett’s notes another version in Southern Words and Sayings (eds. Fabia
Rue Smith and Charles Rayford Smith, 1976): “Church ain’t out till the fat
lady sings.”
UNQUOTE
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Xakero

 latest post in this thread:
Someone writes something. Then, another person cites the first as a reference.
Finally, a third person cites the other two references and a fact is born. I
once read that only two sentences of historical references existed that
mentioned the name Spartacus. Yet, recently I saw a documentary that recounted
the story of his life. Excuse me while I have another heuristic crisis.