Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Sting

Un po' OT:
ricordate la canzone di Sting che faceva "I hope that Russians love their
children too"?
Non l'ho mai capita, era un'affermazione anticomunista o cosa?
Giuseppe

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Ho sempre creduto che la frase significa: spero che i russi amano loro
i bambini, poi non cominceranno una guerra del terzo mondo.
(come sempre, scusa il mio italiano)

(come sempre, scusa il mio italiano)
"Terza guerra mondiale".
Il terzo mondo č 'thirld world'.
Incidentally, Sting also wrote "One World (not Three)" when he was bass and
lead singer in The Police.
"One world is enough, for all of us".
cheers,
Peltio

Il terzo mondo č 'thirld world'.
Thanks for correcting me.

 (come sempre, scusa il mio italiano)
Ho sempre creduto che la frase significasse: spero che i Russi amino i 
loro bambini, poi non cominceranno una terza guerra mondiale.
this sounds better...

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What should "poi" ("poi non cominceranno") mean in that sentence? Did you
mean "so they won't...", Jonny? If so, I'd say "cosě non cominceranno...".
Bye, FB
-- 
Mrs. Palmer, in her way, was equally angry. 'She was determined to drop his
acquaintance immediately, and she was very thankful that she had never been
acquainted with him at all'. (Jane Austen)

mean "so they won't...", Jonny? If so, I'd say "cosě non cominceranno...".
Yes, I thought about writing "cosě" but then I remembered when I did
write this word last, I was corrected and told to use either "quindi"
or "perň" but these words didn't seem appropriate in this case, so I
decided on  "then".
Thanks both.

Giuseppe ha scritto:
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Anticomunista? Nel senso che hai sempre inteso quel "love" in senso
gastronomico?
Per la serie: "I hope that Russians love their entrecôte à la bordelaise
too."
--
Cingar
P.S. Perhaps this requires explanation for non Italians or Italians who are
too young to know about this. In the 1948 political elections, the
Democratic Christian Party started a campaing against their oppositors, the
Italian Communist Party, claiming that they were secretly seizing Italian
orphans to send them in USSR, where they would have been turned into CANNED
MEAT... The motto of the campaign was: "Communists eat children!"
Understandably, this horror story caused more hilarity than scandal or
alarm, and the motto is still used today in Italian "politicianese" as a pun
about being excessively anticomunist (or, more generally, excessively
anti-anything-ist).
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This gastronomic reference brings to mind the American film from the
1970's, "Soylent Green", starring Charlton Heston and Edward G.
Robinson. In this film, which takes place in the distant future, the
staple food, provided by the State, is something called "soylent
green". It is only at the end of the film that we learn that "soylent
green" is obtained by processing the bodies of the dead. Does anyone
know what the Italian title of that film was, or was the American
title retained?
Joe from Massachusetts

 title retained
That I don't know, but I do recall a SNL take-off on the movie, which was
hilarious.
-- 
Pear pea a chair, Ray. Core Reggie eel me oh eat alien, oh... :)
Joey DoWop, working on a temporary account.

 MEAT
"where they would be turned into...".
Ciao, FB
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 Ciao, FB
AmEng says "would have been turned turned into..." is okay (as is "would
be"), but rather than "send them in USSR" it should be "send them *to the*
USSR."
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 Cingar
Ma no, la gastronomia non c'entra :-)
Vabbe', forse sono solo io che ci vedo del razzismo implicito; per quale
motivo bisognerebbe mettere in dubbio che anche i russi amino i loro figli,
proprio non lo capisco. Poi c'e' l'altra frase in cui Reagan dice: vi
proteggero', e Chrusciov dice: vi seppelliro'.
Non mi sembra che ci sia equidistanza, in una canzone che vorrebbe essere
pacifista. Ma e' tutto molto OT, lo so.
Giuseppe

 be")
As the past form of "where they will be turned into..."? To me, "where they
would have been turned into..." can only mean that those children were
prevented from being taken (<== is this spot-on?).
I think it's dead wrong in BritEng, but I'll have a look at my books (can
this mean that I'll read them, or does one infer that I'll stare at their
cover?).
Ciao, FB
-- 
Just as I thought. Another test that could have cost us our lives, saved
only by the fact that I am enormously well-bred.
(Murder by Death)

 proprio non lo capisco.
Boh, a me pare semplicemente che la canzone sia semplicemente di parte. E,
aggiungerei, *dichiaratamente* di parte: non non s'intitolava proprio: "An
Englishman in New York"?
Sting è infatti inglese, mica cecoslovacco, e, se non sbaglio, in quella
canzone si rivolgeva idealmente al presidente degli Stati Uniti (ricordo un
"Mr President" da qualche parte). Mi pare quindi inevitabile che il pensiero
sia espresso dal punto di vista di chi stava da *questa* parte della Cortina
di Ferro e, dunque, si chiedeva che si pensasse dall'*altra* parte.
Immagino che se Sting fosse nato dall'altro lato del muro e avesse scritto
una canzone dal titolo "Uno slovacco a Leningrado", si sarebbe augurato,
rivolgendosi idealmente al segretario generale del PCUS, che anche gli
americani amassero i loro bambini...
--
Cingar
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questa canzone l'ho ascoltata poco tempo fa su radiouno...

 cover?).
Just stare at the cover. I wasn't implying you were wrong (Heaven
forfend!:) just that the OP's version sounded ok to me.
And yes, I inferred that the children were not taken.
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 Ho sempre creduto che la frase significasse: spero che i Russi amino i 
i congiuntivi sono la nostra arma peggiore :)

 was the American title retained?
"2022: i sopravvissuti"
From "Make room! Make room!" by Harry Harrison.
-- 
oggi no, domani sì

 And yes, I inferred that the children were not taken.
The sentence is indeed correct, but I guess the OP wanted the sentence to
be the past form of:
"where they will be turned into...". 
Ciao, FB
-- 
Se dico "siedi!" manca l'oggetto.
Siedo chi? Lei o me?
(da it.cultura.linguistica.italiano)

Mi pare quindi inevitabile che
...che stai mescolando tre canzoni per esprimere un preconcetto. : )
saluti,
Peltio


Peccato, immaginavo qualcosa come "Il Pasto Verdastruccio", o "Il
Verde č Giuseppe". :>)
Joe from Massachusetts