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Titolo: Beverly Sills

She is dead.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/03/arts/music/03sills.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Long live Beverly Sills! 

 taken as a disclaimer.


Don't be sad, Joey Dee! You'd rather listen to one of her records to know
her voice will last forever...

On Jul 3, 2007, dicaduca wrote:
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Yes, it's true, but she appeared very often as co-host on the "Saturday at 
the Opera" on the local radio station, and she had a strong presence in the 
arts in New York.
I understand that her cancer was only diagnosed two weeks ago... Lung cancer 
and she never smoked... (as a professional singer, she wouldn't.) It just all 
happened so fast. Her husband had died last fall.
Anyway, as you said: at least there are ample recordings of her singing, not 
like those of La Callas, which are not so plentiful.
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 and she never smoked...
That's the reason of her disease, perhaps!
I keep on smoking my three packs of 'fags' a day and my lungs are unerring
(maybe a bit exaggerating, now). Anyway I wouldn't see a direct relationship
between smoking and cancer, the current theory doesn't convince me at all,
it is a fashion doomed to disappear sooner or later...

On Jul 3, 2007, dicaduca wrote:
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A very dear friend of mine died last November from lung cancer. She never 
smoked a cigarette in her life, either. And a lot of smokers will never get 
lung cancer. It's all a crap shoot, as they say.
I used to smoke: I quit over 30 years ago. But I live in a large city. If I 
get lung cancer I'm going to be verrrrry angry that I quit smoking back then 
because I'll never get back those years of not smoking! :-)
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 it is a fashion doomed to disappear sooner or later...
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/bmj.38142.554479.AEv1
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I have been to New York last summer and I can ensure you that it is mountain
air in comparison with where I live, one of the most polluted places in
Italy and probably in Europe. But, as Woody Allen put it, if I were to quit
smoking too, I could perhaps live one more week,  and that week might be a
rainy one...:)
By the way, it seems you liked smoking, so why did you give up?


three crap shoots, ain't it? :) 

 By the way, it seems you liked smoking, so why did you give up?
Because of all the propaganda about how bad it is. It scared me right out of 
the habit. Plus, my cousin, who was a year older than me, died of a lung 
related disease at a young age. It was never proven that his death was 
related to smoking, but it was too close for comfort.
On the other hand, I have known four heavy smokers who quit smoking at the 
advice of medical professionals. Three of them died with three months of 
quitting. The fourth continued to smoke well into old age.
As for Woody Allen, he may be a bit of a pervert (marrying his adopted 
daughter and all) but he really has a way with words. I mean, how great is 
this: "I'm not afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens."
By the way, I would have said "I *was* in New York last summer..." ("last 
summer" defines a specific time period, so the simple past is better) and "I 
can *assure* you" rather than "ensure." Just FYI.
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 "I  can *assure* you" rather than "ensure." Just FYI.
Thanks for proofreading... my English is a tad rusty, as they use to say

 rainy one...:)
By the way, was that quote from the movie "Sleeper"? I should know that, but 
I only saw that movie once. The reason I bring it up (in case you didn't see 
it) is in that movie, which takes place in the future, all the common 
knowledge about what is healthy and what isn't has been refuted, including 
the "dangers" of smoking and the "dangers" of fatty foods, etc.
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Yes, very randomly chosen.  ;-)
If you like to smoke , keep on smoking then,
but please, don't tell smoking doesn't
damage your health.
You can say you don't care about health or
whatever you want: it's not really important the excuse.
Everyone knows smokers are just addicted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2StUtlZ7xc&mode=related&search=
:-P
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 because I'll never get back those years of not smoking! :-)
I've been smoking a pack a day for over 13 years and
quitting was hard.
But really was well worth it for the freedom from those
filthy fags that made me stink and kept me enslaved.
Quitting not only improved my health but also the
quality of my life.
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 and death *within* a few time and this doesn't seem a mere coincidence
http://tinyurl.com/26hjnv
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 quality of my life.
And that is the unequivocal positive side of it. Now that you mention it, 
(maybe as a way of justifying my decision to quit) I do remember feeling that 
I was "sick and tired" of being tied to the habit. Any habit, really, but it 
happened to be a smoking habit.
All in all, I don't really regret the decision. Some day I'll calculate the 
savings I realized by quitting so long ago. Cigarettes are incredibly 
expensive now; much more than when I smoked.
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 Everyone knows smokers are just addicted.
In all fairness, aren't we all addicted in some way to something or other?
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superstitious?


Honestly I can't recall, but such a thesis looks very plausible as
scientifical truths undergo the same process as the women's fashion:
sometimes their skirts shorten, sometimes they lenghten etc.


I should have said: 'a little time', shouldn't I?


It depends on the definition of 'health'.
My view is that everything relies on 'mind' and surely smoking has a
pleasant, healthy effect on me (I hope you don't see a contradiction here).
So, until my mind feels a benefit from cigarettes, I'm sure they won't harm
the rest.  Very simple, huh?


"Death should not be seen as the end, but as a very effective way to cut
down expenses" (woody allen's quote).
Oops! Remember, it is to laugh...

 the rest.  Very simple, huh?
WYFINWYG
Kiuhnm

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On Jul 4, 2007, dicaduca wrote:
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And sometimes eggs are bad for you (I never believed it) and now they're good 
again. As for dark chocolate, I always knew it, too, was good for you.
For some things one has to trust one's intuition (or "gut" if you prefer).
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On Jul 4, 2007, dicaduca wrote:
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OK: LOL!
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I beg your pardon? 

 I beg your pardon?
What you feel is not what you get.
cheers,
Peltio
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 For some things one has to trust one's intuition (or "gut" if you prefer).
OK,You hit the target, imo. Intuition warns against the false prophets,
disguised as doctors or teachers or whosoever, who state what is definitely
good or bad to an individual. I'm gonna light up a cigarette right now for
this great achievement!

 Peltio
Ah, thank you! Cheers 

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Everything you need you already have. You are complete right now, you are a
whole, total person, not an apprentice person on the way to someplace else.
Your completeness must be understood by you and experienced in your thoughts
as your own personal reality.
Beverly Sills

On Jul 4, 2007, dicaduca wrote:
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[What You Feel Is Not What You Get]? (I'm guessing.)
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 the rest.  Very simple, huh?
That's a very arguable statement and I'm pretty much positive you're already 
aware of it
;-)
Tschau,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
P.S. avrei detto "as long as my mind...".
-- 
"I'm not a gay pirate, I have sex with my parrot all the time! OK, that came 
out wrong."

On Jul 4, 2007, dicaduca wrote:
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That's a fitting quote.
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 [What You Feel Is Not What You Get]? (I'm guessing.)
But of course!
Kiuhnm

 [Yes.]
Aren't you a bit too much parenthetical today?
Kiuhnm

 P.S. avrei detto "as long as my mind...".
Oh, I see... I'll keep in mind...
So long

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I dunno. (I suppose so.)
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I don't know. I'm not a philosopher.
I just know that nicotine is the most addictive drug
ever and that my aunt got emphysema and she says
she can't quit and prefers to die than going through
the withdrawal period.
I think this is pretty common.
Look at the last story:
http://www.costkids.org/tobacco/thecost/hurt.htm
"I was diagnosed with severe emphysema while in the hospital for
treatment of the flu. The doctors told me that if I was to go back to
smoking I would not live for another year,...
I started to smoke within an hour after getting out of the hospital...
I tried and tried many times to quit but even with the Gum, the patches,
and even self-help tapes, I just could not stay quit. The addiction was
stronger than my will to live...
If you have ever had to do something that you knew was going to hurt
you, yet some outside driving force compels you to do it, then you may
have a slight idea of just how strong the addiction to nicotine can be."
We lost Bud shortly after he wrote this.
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dicaduca ha scritto:
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Certainly not!
But..
you know...
it doesn't hurt.  ;-)
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 expensive now; much more than when I smoked.
Let's see how much does 'buying smoke' cost...
3.5 euro per pack multiplied for 365 days
equals 1277 euro.
In ten years...
mmmm...
No.
I don't want to know.  :-(
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 Oh, I see... I'll keep in mind...
Adesso che ci penso forse ci stava bene pure "until", anche se io avrei 
comunque usato "as long as"... any help?
Tschau,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
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On Jul 4, 2007, pinko wrote:
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Ouch. I quit over 40 years ago, (ouch again) but then, in those days a pack 
of smokes cost about 40 cents. Still, 40 years is a long time... I think. I 
can't really remember :-)
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 I think this is pretty common.
I knew someone who felt and acted the same. After he was diagnosed with lung 
cancer, he did eventually die of it, knowingly (and willingly, apparently.) 
Nice man. One of the finest gentlemen I've ever met. Intelligent, too; always 
had interesting conversations; well-traveled, well-read, great sense of 
humor. I scratch my head trying to figure out why he continued to smoke, but 
then, it was his mind, not mine.
Since lung cancer can occur in non-smokers (indeed: this whole thread began 
with that concept) I've often said that if I get diagnosed with it, the first 
thing I'll do is buy a pack of Camels.
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There is a big difference between these two statements.
"Until my mind feels a benefit from cigarettes" means my mind does NOT 
currently feel a benefit, but when it does, they won't harm the rest.
I think that's the opposite of what you mean.
"As long as my mind feels a benefit from cigarettes" means your mind is 
currently feeling (or has the potential for feeling) a benefit from 
cigarettes and unless that feeling ends, they won't harm the rest.
Maybe the problem arises from "fin che ... non.." which always confused me.
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 thing I'll do is buy a pack of Camels.
Yes. Whan you start feeling sick, it's generally too late
and quitting is useless.
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 ;-)
Why not?
It's cool.
Give it a go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8oPG2jKQ-0&mode=related&search=
;-)
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 the withdrawal period.
I'd like to add that politicians, in their dumb aim at fighting what was a
perfectly normal habit through the centuries, have constantly lowered the
nicotine content of tobacco in cigarettes, with the clear result to force
people to increase their number only to get the same amount of the drug (but
with the less explicit result to raise the income from their sale). So
smokers have to inhale tar and scores of other components of the combustion
because of their hypocrisy which, on the one hand publicly condemns the use
of cigarettes , on the other makes a deal with them. If this isn't
schizophrenia it is bad faith.

 cigarettes and unless that feeling ends, they won't harm the rest.
OK. Enrico's version is the right one :) 

 with the less explicit result to raise the income from their sale).
Not politicians, but marketing managers of tobacco companies.
Now they're working really hard to stop people from smoking:
http://www.philipmorrisinternational.com/PMINTL/pages/eng/ysp/YSP.asp
Pft..
Pffff...
:-D
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hmmm... a wolf with a lamb's face! 

 
http://www.philipmorrisinternational.com/PMINTL/pages/eng/ysp/YSP.asp
Also visit 
www.altria.com
 to see how the parent company of Philip Morris 
International has changed its image.
They adopted the name Altria a few years ago. The building is down the street 
from here; I noticed the new sign and thought that Philip Morris had moved 
out, but no: they just changed their name.
One thing that struck me was their choice of a made-up name for their new 
image. The word "altruistic" immediately came to mind. I wondered if the name 
was chosen for that reason. They claim it is related to Latin "altus" but in 
my mind that connection is less likely.
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 the rest.  Very simple, huh?
Right on. It used to be the same with me and smack, until I had to make 
my way to the detox leaving a trail of teeth behind.

 my way to the detox leaving a trail of teeth behind.
eheheh, you probably used to boost tobacco leaves with something else, yes?
Anyway, you had to put your teeth under the pillow...

 Maybe the problem arises from "fin che ... non.." which always confused me.
Avrei detto la stessa cosa... mentalmente traduco "until" con "finché non", ma 
aspetto pareri più autorevoli. 

 aspetto pareri più autorevoli. 
"finché" means "until" or "as long as/while" and the "non" is 
practically always optional.
If it's raining, "finché piove" means "as long as it rains".
If it isn't raining, "finché (non) piove" means "until it starts raining".
Kiuhnm

 If it isn't raining, "finché (non) piove" means "until it starts raining".
That's helpful for me.
Then, I can think of finché non piove as "as long as it isn't raining" OR 
"until it rains."
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 12 years old, but I did not inhaled the smoke!
Speriamo che tu apprezza correzioni.
I did not inhale the smoke. 

 Speriamo che tu apprezza correzioni.
"che tu apprezzi le correzioni" ;)
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Ciao,
Anna

 "che tu apprezzi le correzioni" ;)
Now that's embarassing, because I even bothered to identify the subject. 

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Grazie. Però, il "non" è opzionale solo nella seconda frase... 

 Grazie. Perň, il "non" č opzionale solo nella seconda frase... 
Yes, I meant 'and the "non" can be practically always omitted'.
I said "practically" because there could be some idioms that require it.
Kiuhnm

Anna Martini ha scritto:
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LOL :'-)
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How did you manage to make the flight to New York without smoking?
Do you think you would be able to do it again?  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 Do you think you would be able to do it again?  :>)
Sir, this is your second very good question!
Hard to say now, still shocked by the nine-hour-long abstinence. At the
moment I hope in faster planes or in the continental drift's acceleration,
you know, Wegener and similar things, because I love your city and your
Country but I care about my *health* too...:))
And you, how do you tackle this stuff?
dd

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R O T F L ! 
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"per ascoltare hendrix bisogna o essere mentalmente dei 14enni, o 
arrivarci con una montagna di marijuana" -- toni su iamsc

pinko <look-...@dev-null.invalid> wrote:
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They lack credibility, that pile of rubbish could be taken seriously
only if some kind of insurance company took over the company.
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I guess I would have to consider taking the Queen Mary 2 or the Queen
Elizabeth 2 from New York to Southampton.
«Most lounges and bars offer both smoking and non-smoking areas. On Queen
Elizabeth 2, most restaurants have a small smoking section.»
http://www.cruisecritic.com/features/articles.cfm?ID=225
The only problem is that it costs over $1,000 each way.
But that shouldn't worry you, should it?  :>)
http://cunard.com/CruiseCalendar.asp?main=voy&Region=7&sub=&LeftNav=ourShips&shipid=QM2&Ship=QM2
Joe from Massachusetts

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I imagine you could save a lot of money if you regularly visited the
discount tobacco brokers in Forcella.
Joe from Massachusetts

 
http://cunard.com/CruiseCalendar.asp?main=voy&Region=7&sub=&LeftNav=ourShips&shipid=QM2&Ship=QM2
Ah! A cruise...very romantic, but a little too long for me. All in all, I
couldn't stand that endless amount of salty water for days without at least
the company of Scarlett Johansson

 discount tobacco brokers in Forcella.
Naples is about 200 miles far from my home and if I went there for
purchasing, I'd spend all my saving in the gasoline necessary to get
there...

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For some reason, I thought you were on the Vesuvius evacuation list.
Joe from Massachusetts


Well, in a former incarnation I used to stroll about between Ercolano and
Pompei, but that was a long time ago; in 79 a.D., when the air filled with
ashes, I decided there was too much rivalry and moved further south, in a
land where my only competitor is now the biggest steel factory in Europe,
with its production of  only 12 million tonnes of carbonic dioxide per year
and perhaps the highest percentage of dioxin released all over the globe. So
the fight looks more bearable...

 For some reason, I thought you were on the Vesuvius evacuation list.
Every time I read that expression (also known as "red zone") I start to freak 
out :-(

 the fight looks more bearable...
Taranto?


Sure. The most polluted area in the south, not only owing to my
cigarettes...

 Come va al Comune?
Benissimo, se si escludono la crisi finanziaria dovuta al dissesto, le
spaccature politiche all'interno della maggioranza di centro-sinistra, i
soliti problemi occupazionali che causano  proteste con blocchi del ponte
girevole, dell'erogazione del carburante e di servizi vari, una  infinita
serie di processi per corruzione, una paralisi degli interventi urgenti,
tipo riparazione delle strade e illuminazione pubblica, la mancanza d'acqua,
l'inesistenza di una vita culturale, il degrado ambientale e sociale, la
microcriminalità quotidiana e la sanità a pezzi.
Non a caso siamo l'ultima città italiana nella classifica della
vivibilità...  ma, a parte i sopracitati inconvenienti, il resto è ok :))

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LOL. So it's not *all* bad...
We have a saying: "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln*, did you enjoy the play?"
*Referring to Mary Todd Lincoln, wife of Abe Lincoln, 16th President of the 
US, one of the better Presidents, who was assassinated during the performance 
of a play.
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:))
Or,as a variant: "Other than that, Mrs. Kennedy, did you like the ride?" 

 
Oooh, ouch! I hadn't heard that one, and it hits a little too close to home!
I was too young when Lincoln was shot to have had any affection for him, but 
I do remember JFK fondly. :-)
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I do agree.
Some days ago I was watching a movie in which one of the characters said
that 'everyone perfectly knows  where he was when JFK died'. This is
emblematic of the kind of feelings that the president had inspired worldwide
and the deep impression his murder aroused. Though history has afterwards
shown some dark side of his politics, he undoubtly  remains an icon of the
collective imagination, with his bright smile and outspoken look.

 that 'everyone perfectly knows  where he was when JFK died'.
Per la mia generazione vale lo stesso riguardo l'undici settembre. 

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Not since Lermontov wrote about Crimea have I heard such a tragic tale.
Joe from Massachusetts


:))
...and I just scratched the surface,omitting the 'real' troubles, whose
report would make Schaffausen's bombs turn pale, Mattmark's catastrophe a
child's joke and Chernobyl's disaster a snag.
It might appear a little overstated, I yield, instead it's the pure truth.

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Meglio ti trovassi sotto l'ombra del Vesuvio.
Joe from Massachusetts


Vero!
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://faculty.sulross.edu/jlwstark/vesuvio21.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.iomoon.com/vesuvio.html&h=283&w=443&sz=26&hl=en&start=149&um=1&tbnid=m6qnyIFlI0mdTM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2Bvesuvio%26start%3D140%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN

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The people in the shadow of Mt. Rainier in Washington live under a similar
threat.
http://www.ci.auburn.wa.us/_media/docs/Emergency-Lahars.pdf
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/Landslides/RainierSlides.html
The 50,000 people who live in the "lahar zone" would only have 30 to 60
minutes to evacuate once the lahar started flowing, and would probably have
no prior warning.
http://www.wsspc.org/Awards/2003/innovations.htm
Joe from Massachusetts


The Swiss city of Schaffhausen was bombed by Allied forces during WWII.
Evidently since it is located on the Rhine River, it was mistaken for a
German city.
Joe from Massachusetts


It seems like they have a very short time to escape, but the Lahar Warning 
System and the Lahar Travel Time Mapping Project will probably do the trick. As 
for Vesuvius, basing on what Protezione Civile says, we should know about a 
possible eruption weeks before it happens, but evacuation will surely turn into 
a hell since the population living in the "red zone" equals to "lahar zone" 's 
population multiplied by twelve. 

 I know nothing about that episode.
Well enlightened means something different than well lighted, but perhaps 
you knew that. 

 you knew that.
I do not, so....... ;-)


It was a raid which took place in broad daylight.
Joe from Massachusetts


«Such events could generate a massive lahar with no recognized precursory
warning. A reliable lahar-warning system designed to detect such sudden
events can provide notification to people downstream that a lahar is
underway.»
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/About/Highlights/RainierPilot/Pilot_highlight.html
Once the lahar has begun to flow, there is only 30-60 minutes to flee. There
is a very good chance, according to the geologists, that no warning other
than the commencement of lahar flow, will be given.
Joe from Massachusetts