Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: escort

se non sbaglio tale parola significa prostituta.
Chi ha guidato per anni, e con soddisfazione, tale modello della Ford ?
Scusate il disturbo. Se pensando se far guidare tale auto a mia moglie 
o no :-P

 se non sbaglio tale parola significa prostituta.
No, that's only /one/ of its possible meanings.
Kiuhnm


Macchina poco costosa. Niente di lusso.
Ce n'ho una (1998), e mia sorella ce n'ha un'altra (1993).
I can't find the fuse for the cigarette lighter.
"Loud road noise noticeable on long trips".
http://www.dealtime.com/xPR-Ford_1998_Ford_Escort
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1997-to-2003-ford-escort-zx2.htm
Joe from Massachusetts

 commercializzata negli USA con altro nome, che ora non ricordo.
Fiat Strada.
Kiuhnm


Yugo?
Joe from Massachusetts

 Ce n'ho una (1998), e mia sorella ce n'ha un'altra (1993).
ahem ... forse non si è capito che collegavo 'escort'='prostituta' alla 
donna che la guida.
Scusate è una battuta poco felice. Oltre al fatto che non ho saputo 
scriverla bene.
:'(
Grazie a tutti per le cortese risposte :D

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tecnicamente tradurrei escort con "accompagnatrice"
-- 
luna piena d'autunno:
bellissima semplicemente, perfettamente
chiara
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 taken as a disclaimer.

 
True, but now that you make me thinking about that Italian doesn't have
a word for a male escort. we borrow from French the word "gigolo"
ladybat
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Erba estiva:
dei sogni di gloria dei grandi guerrieri,
ora rovine, e null'altro
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An escort can be a reputable companion, not necessarily a gigolo (although 
there is certainly that implication, and it can be cause for jokes.)
On the Upper East Side of NYC, where there are a lot of wealthy dowagers, the 
term "Walker" has taken over for "gigolo" or "escort." I think in some cases 
the walker is just a theater or dining companion, with no sexual 
implications. But then, I tend to be naive (I was raised a Catholic and I 
can't shake my innocence. :-)
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 a word for a male escort. we borrow from French the word "gigolo"
Si dice 'now that you make me think about that, Italian...'
L'Inglese prende anche la parola 'gigolo' ma ha sempre una connotazione di 
servizio sessuale ('escort' non sempre).
Click here only if you have high bandwidth:
http://www.withlouis.com/film/yoda/
 

 
aspettavo che la maestrina dalla penna rossa calasse come un falco. Hai
mai sentito parlare di netiquette?
-- 
"la nostra casa"
gia' in queste parole,
freschezza
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 mai sentito parlare di netiquette?
Sui NG di linguistica è prassi correggersi gli errori di lingua, anzi 
viene considerata una cortesia. Senza scomodare la Netiquette. :-)

 servizio sessuale ('escort' non sempre).
That is ok if you mean that English takes, besides other words, also the 
word 'gigolo'. But if you mean that also English, besides other 
languages, takes the word 'gigolo', then you should say
"Anche l'inglese prende la parola 'gigolo'..." or
"L'inglese prende anch'esso la parola 'gigolo'...".
Kiuhnm

 mai sentito parlare di netiquette?
As Enrico pointed out, my intention was to help you improve your English, 
according to the netiquette prevalent in this newsgroup. In the future, 
however, I'll try to remember not to offer my assistance to posts with your 
nickname. 

 "L'inglese prende anch'esso la parola 'gigolo'...".
Now this is uniquely Italian in structure. 

 
apprezzo la cortesia, ma ci sono molti modi per esprimere un concetto o
per puntualizzare un errore. Posso non sapere l'inglese ma, credimi,
qualcosa di etologia la so. E vedo ad esempio che i madrelingua del NG
hanno un atteggiamento molto piu' rilassato.
-- 
inizio d'autunno:
nel mare e nei campi
un verde solo
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 hanno un atteggiamento molto piu' rilassato.
Lady, scusa, ma ho l'impressione che - in questo e soltanto in questo caso
particolare, eh :)) - tu abbia frainteso... Noi siamo soliti correggere
l'italiano di TtIM e lui è solito ricambiare il favore, tutto qui!
This used to be an Illuminated Realm, *please* let's do our best to make it
so again!
-- 
Ciao,
Anna

 so again!
Oh, well, actually I brought this lamp... could it be of any use to you
folks?
-- 
I had this recurring dream / I was living another life
In another country / In another time / As I got older 
The dream began to fade away / Until one day... 
There she was... tapping me on my shoulder - Hogarth 2004

 
Ok. Who has oil? I've got matches...
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 hanno un atteggiamento molto piu' rilassato.
Tony è ammerregano :)

 
ok, scusa tanto se sono venuta a turbare la quiete di questo reame
illuminato. Tenetevi lovehatehero e i modi supponenti di Tony the iceman
e arrivederci.
Ladybat che cancella la sottoscrizione al NG, perche' evidentemente ha
frainteso il conetto di turbativa.
-- 
passero amico,
risparmialo, il tafano,
che gioca tra i fiori
http://www.lorologiaiomiope.com

 
Everyone just take a deep breath... remember to breathe... life is good.
It seems to me the biggest problem began when LHH invoked a flame war on this 
NG due to his anger at one or two posters.
Unfortunately, it's still waging, and it seems a lot of people's hackles are 
up.
Even if you don't have or know how to use a kill file, you can manually 
ignore posts from people whose manners are offensive or selfish or otherwise 
unsavory.
Eventually boredom will discourage the folks who have nothing better to do 
with their lives, and they'll go elsewhere.
I haven't seen a post from LHH or Cannibal or a few others since it began, 
other than when someone else replies, and even then, I can tell from the 
subject line or just the first few internal headers that it's nothing I want 
to bother with.
Remember to breathe.... LadyBat, reconsider. Tony, reconsider. There's too 
much value here to discard in anger.
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 frainteso il conetto di turbativa.
Si dice "concetto".
Kiuhnm

 to bother with.
My solution is very simple: "Kill thread" + "Filter Message".
Thanks to LHH, I've learnt that I can even kill multiple threads by 
selecting them and pressing K :-)
When I visit i.c.inglese I see the "new post counter" rise to 20 or more 
and collapse at once to 4-5. Wonderful!
Kiuhnm

 Ladybat che cancella la sottoscrizione al NG, 
Non ti azzardare! ;DDD
A me pare nasca tutto da un equivoco.

 frainteso il conetto di turbativa.
Minchia, sarà mica contagioso l'AB?
Dai Lady, è normalissimo, anzi auspicabile, che in un NG di linguistica 
vengano fatti notare gli errori - anche se dovuti alla fretta di 
scrivere. Questo per evitare che chi legge si faccia l'impressione 
sbagliata su un certo modo di dire o su un dato vocabolo.
Quella di Tony è una cortesia nei confronti del gruppo, non certo un 
affronto nei tuoi confronti.
A me vengono pure corrette le frasi in italiano :-)
saluti,
Peltio
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 frainteso il conetto di turbativa.
Please don't!
Davvero. Ripensaci. Te lo chiede anche Peltio, nobile cavaliere di molti
reami... ;)
-- 
Ciao,
Anna


Scriviamo sempre in inglese, evitando così la critica dei madrelingua
italiani.  ;>)
Joe from Massachusetts

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Upon reflection, I am wondering whether that phrase means that I am
attempting to avoid the criticism of the Italians, or that I am attempting
to avoid criticizing the Italians, or both? Or is it ambiguous?
Joe from Massachusetts

 to avoid criticizing the Italians, or both? Or is it ambiguous?
That sentence is subject to a well known principle of incorrectness: a 
sentence of type A cannot be both semantically ambiguous and 
grammatically correct.
Yes, your sentence is of type A.
If you want to be really offensive you must write:
"Scriviamo sempre in inglese, evitando così di criticare i madrelingua
italiani."
Kiuhnm

 
I have to admit you are right. My reaction was impulsive and I haven't
considered the option "kill file" [which I'll apply immediately on Tony:
if he can admittedly correct an -ing form, pointing out a missing comma
is idiotic and, IMHO, the symptom of a disturbed personality(this one is
not the first time he corrects punctuation)].
Furthermore, it seems to me it's unfair to blame me for all the fuss in
the NG, as Anna was suggesting with her "illuminated realm" thing.
Nevertheless, it would be a shame to lose the pleasure of reading a few
of you like yourself or Enrico C., so I'd rather start using largely my
kill file.
-- 
chiudo gli occhi
al tepore di una fiamma lontana
di un antico amore
http://www.lorologiaiomiope.com

 the NG, as Anna was suggesting with her "illuminated realm" thing.
Né mi pare che questo fosse quello che Anna intendeva.
saluti,
Peltio
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 the NG, as Anna was suggesting with her "illuminated realm" thing.
I wasn't blaming you! Not in the least. I'm sorry if I gave you such an
idea. I only mentioned the "Illuminated Realm" because I miss those times
and I see a lot of unnecessary edginess around here. I usually like reading
your posts, that's why I felt I had to try and calm you down. Otherwise, I
wouldn't have bothered. Sorry again.
-- 
Ciao,
Anna

 Tony č ammerregano :)
E Lei, Enrico, mi da sempre del tu. Non so perché!
*winks* 

 much value here to discard in anger.
Anger? What in the world would I be angry about? I corrected her English, as 
I do frequently on this newsgroup without much thought about it. I also 
added a mildy humorous link to a video (which was a terrible work of art, 
but it interests me how... oh, never mind, that's another topic). She didn't 
welcome the correction, and I'm not offended by that. I'll simply try to 
remember her nick and will not respond to her posts to respect her desire to 
speak her English unassisted.
I will make one comment though. It's fascinating to me how quickly you can
get a rather reliable impression of a person's personality, strengths,
failings and foibles from a few posts on a newsgroup. In hindsight, I should
have known that the assistance would not have been appreciated.
But then, my personality is an acquired taste. And I'm sure that when I 
write in Italian, the seasonings are typically a bit off. I've earned a few 
astonished stares from Italian friends at times, but that too is another 
topic.

 
-- 
Mio piccolo cacciatore di libellule
oggi
chissa' fin dove ti sei spinto...
http://www.lorologiaiomiope.com

 
ok, no problem!
-- 
un guscio
di cicala, svuotatasi
nel canto
http://www.lorologiaiomiope.com

 voglia.
Umm, am I missing something here, or is she really pissed off about a comma? 
I plead guilty. I fixed the little offender. I pointed out that the gerund 
form was inappropriate, and that you should use the infinitive form of the 
verb... and then there was that missing comma... an empty space staring at 
me, calling to me, asking to be filled. What could I do? What would you do 
in my place?!?! Could I just let it be and risk offending the gods of 
Clarity and Comprehension?
Now you may want to put a comma between the "be" and the "and" of the 
previous sentence, but if you do, pahdnah, you'll have me to reckon with 
(with whom to reckon). 

 not the first time he corrects punctuation).
Then you are right, for fuck's sake, this is simply intolerable!!!

 Then you are right, for fuck's sake, this is simply intolerable!!!
True, it's absofuckinglutely infuckingcredible!
Kiuhnm

 of a disturbed personality". Awesome.
Si dice "let me savor this". Spero che tu non ti sia disturbato perché ho
cambiato il scrivere all'Americano.
Si può dire "allow me to savor this".

 realm" thing.
I'm sure Anna shares my pleasure in reading your post.
Her reference to the "Illuminated Realm" can be cleared up
by Peltio himself:
http://web.tiscali.it/peltio/TheRealm/
This ng is usually very quiet and interesting. These days, a troll
(whose trolly nature has been evident since a very long time,
but iclingons tend to be good hearted) is making big clumsy
efforts to call for flamewars.
Anna was refering to this circumstance. icling these days is
ruined by some idiot, and it's a shame to see that also reasonable
people tend to get angry very easily...
bye
Gennaro

 *winks* 
dà -> verb
da -> preposition
Kiuhnm

 da -> preposition
Really? I thought it was
io do
tu dai
lei da
noi diamo
voi date
loro danno 

 loro danno 
No, the third line should be "egli dà".
Here you can find some (presumably) correct examples:
http://www.demauroparavia.it/30174
Kiuhnm

 cambiato il scrivere all'Americano.
That biddy was right after all, you are really deranged!
I don't know how that extra "to" slipped in. Just when I was trying to 
be cute, how embarrassing.

 and Comprehension?
No dude you sure couldnt. But then someone eats shots (you) and leaves!

 non per distrazione ma perche' non conosce l'uso della punteggiatura? 
E chi l'ha detto, che Tony abbia assunto ciò? La correzione era neutra, 
senza commenti o prese in giro, mi pare.
Anche molti miei errori sono di distrazione, ma farmeli notare mi aiuta 
a essere meno distratto. :)
Se invece non sono di distrazione, ringrazio per aver imparato 
qualcosa.
La correzione, peraltro, aiuta chi legge il NG per imparare. Una 
espressione sbagliata, come appunto *"make me thinking", lasciata non 
corretta, specie se scritta da una persona che di solito scrive 
correttamente, potrebbe far sorgere il dubbio che si tratti di una 
forma voluta e ammissibile.

 E Lei, Enrico, mi da sempre del tu. Non so perché!
"Salutandovi indistintamente" (cit.).

 taken as a disclaimer.

 be cute, how embarrassing.
Io, lungi dal pensare a un errore, l'avevo presa per una finezza
traducibile piů o meno: "lasciatemi *ad* assaporare..." :)
-- 
Ciao,
Anna

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As Charlie Brown said, "I'm never so stupid as when I'm trying to be smart."
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 "Salutandovi indistintamente" (cit.).
Appunto! Punto. Punto e virgola. Punto. Punto e virgola. 

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Do you mean 'eats lead and gets the hell out of Dodge'? The former may make 
the latter rather difficult. 

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Gee, I must have a really old book. It says:
do
das
dat
damus
datis
dant
Joe from Massachusetts

 damus
That's right, but in modern Rome it's "damo", "famo", "'nnamo"... :-)

 
http://www.demauroparavia.it/30174
OK, I've added the accent to 'da' in my 501 Italian verbs book. And I've got 
my red pencil ready if anyone neglects the accent in any icling posts. 

 my red pencil ready if anyone neglects the accent in any icling posts.
and yadà yadà... :-P


My original intent might have been to say "Scriviamo sempre in inglese,
evitando così le correzioni mortificanti dei madrelingua italiani." (Like
that meanie Martini). :>)
Joe from  Massachusetts

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If I were to choose to delve further into the language of modern Rome, would
Nonno Libero be a good example to follow when it comes to the vernacular of
the city?
Joe from Massachusetts

 that meanie Martini). :>)
O__o Meanie? Me? o__O
:D
-- 
Ciao,
Anna

 the city?
I don't remember. I haven't seen that show in years.
Lino Banfi is from Puglia. In his early B-movies (like "Vieni 
avanti cretino", "L'infermiera nella corsia dei militari", "Il 
Brigadiere Pasquale Zagaria ama la mamma e la polizia", and so on... 
;DDD, he spoke a sort of macaronic barese. Maybe he now uses a fake 
accent as Nonno Libero, dunno. After all, he lives in Rome, AFAIK.
Zingaretti, the actor who plays Montalbano, is from Rome, but he speaks 
Sicilian as Montalbano. :)

 So it's neither correct nor ambiguous?
It's correct and the context makes clear its meaning (n.1).
IMHO

 in Rome, AFAIK.
Or, maybe it's his real accent now. :-)

 that meanie Martini). :>)
You made your intent clear enough with the former sentence.
Kiuhnm

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I don't think it's exclusively a matter of context.
No native speaker would say "Evita la critica di mio figlio" meaning 
"Evita di criticare mio figlio".
Kiuhnm

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? Sorry: isn't it "yàda yàda"? 
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You must have just had your morning coffee, which explains your unusual good
humor.  :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

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Unfortunately for you, you're the only one who rhymes with "meanie".   :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

 di criticare mio figlio".
Dipende.
Solo il contesto aiuta a decifrare questa frase di Marx:
"L'arma della critica non può rimpiazzare la critica delle armi",
dove il vecchio Karl non lancia un appello al pacifismo, ma al 
contrario intende dire, come spiega subito dopo, che
"la forza materiale deve essere abbattuta per mezzo della forza 
materiale, ..."
anche se
"...la teoria diventa, essa pure, una forza materiale, quand'essa si 
impadronisce delle masse".
www.ecn.org/reds/formazione/marxengels/formazione0002marx2.html

 Solo il contesto aiuta a decifrare questa frase di Marx:
Marx the well-known Italian native speaker?
Kiuhnm


It certainly is. There is a famous Seinfeld episode entitled "The Yada
Yada".
My favorite Seinfeld episode was the one which ended with the word
"Delores!".
Joe from Massachusetts

*Kiuhnm*:
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Non ho obiezioni ad accogliere la tua critica di quella fonte in quanto 
non-native.  ;D

 forma voluta e ammissibile.
Infatti, io ad esempio in Coupling ho sentito dire: "Look what he got me 
dressing", e ho iniziato a pensare che quella fosse una forma corretta - o 
perlomeno accettabile - nella lingua parlata... Correzioni come quella di Tony 
possono essere preziose (io stesso a volte ho corretto il suo italiano, ma non 
mi sono certo scusato), e mi dispiace che un utente interessante come Ladybat 
l'abbia presa a male...

 humor.  :>)
Unusual WHAT? ;>
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Ciao,
Anna

 Unfortunately for you, you're the only one who rhymes with "meanie".   :>)
LOL, I never thought about it. No meanie, no party!
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Ciao,
Anna

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Citare il traduttore, pleeeeaaaseeee! :)
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Ciao,
Anna

 non-native.  ;D
To be sincere, I didn't write any critics :-)
Kiuhnm

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Much better than Anna tiranna.   :>)
Joe from Massachusetts

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Since you have some ties to Campania, I thought this excerpt from a recent
book by Geno Auriemma, the coach of the University of Connecticut women's
basketball team, might be of interest. He left Montella with his family at
the age of seven and came to the US, and now he earns more than a million
dollars a year coaching basketball. Just how humble his beginnings were is
shocking.
«The only way to keep the little ones warm was to place the hot coals on the
floor and place the babies in a circle around that pile of heat......»
http://uconnmagazine.uconn.edu/sprg2006/sprg06lw.html
Joe from Massachusetts

 
http://uconnmagazine.uconn.edu/sprg2006/sprg06lw.html
Thank you Joe! Geno is Italian, but this is a very American story, you just
can't help sympathizing :)
-- 
Ciao,
Anna