Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: How to be honest about your knowledge of English language.

Hello,
I was writing down a few lines in my curriculum vitae, but I stopped
when I had to express myself on my level of knowledge of English
language. So here I am.
 
Currently, I am able to read and understand English, both generic
and technical (it-related), it's a matter I do everyday, browsing
wikipedia pages, or reading it-books of a certain complexity (o'reilly-
like,
as an example).
 
Listening is not so easy for me, but following BBC learning english
mp3, even if I don't intercept all the sentences, generally I
understand what the matter is and I am able to follow the rhythm
of the conversations or the monologue.
 
Speaking is a trouble, a few months ago I had a conversation with
an American girl and generally I had to pause searching for the proper
word or express a concept through a long discussion (very
embarassing).
 
Writing is a thing you can judge directly, I was putting down this
post in about twenty minutes, without a dictionary, I know it has
a foreign taste and that's not fluent (and errors prone, perhaps),
but hey, I was not looking for a Shakespeare-like job :-)
 
How would you express this level of knowledge in a resume?
I have a few drafts, but I don't post them here now, as I want to find
your answer, not corrections of my owns :-)
I'll post them tomorrow, however.
Thanks for your time,
                            wily

Pensate che una roba tipo : "Interazione verbale limitata, ma adeguata
alle situazioni più comuni" è qualcosa che si possa scrivere in un
curriculum?
Esprimerlo in inglese come "Speaking is limited, but suitable for most
common
situations"?

 Le parole, l'anima."
 
"Chi sa fare, fa.
 Chi non sa fare, insegna.
 Chi non sa insegnare, insegna ginnastica."
 
(it doesn't matter anything to our conversation, but they are the
first
verses my mind got in touch, to reply yours :-)
 
However thw question arises again, about you how can I describe my
English in a curriculum? I think that using forks and spoons like
restaurant guides could be a possibility : "listening: 2 forks,
speaking: 1 spoon", and so on :-)
 

On 11/21/2011 08:03 AM, dr.oktopus wrote:
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-- 
Enrico il Pentolaio.
My blog: 
http://vousavezunaccent.blogspot.com/
 

 A chi stai rispondendo? Non vedo il messaggio
 
Shhhh!
 
-- 
Joey from New York
Remember: It is To Laugh
 
Among those whom I like or admire, I can find no common denominator,
but among those whom I love, I can:
all of them make me laugh.
   -- WH Auden
 

 
http://www.youtube.com/
..
 
Currently I have access only to a poor dial-up
connection, so I am unable to see anything that
has media streams inside. Sorry (however I took
note of country-related links).
 
Speaking about music, I like Elvis, however,
just to smudge your hate in front of English
pronunciation, I can suggest you some England
bands:
 
* The Smiths
* The Cure
* The Clash
* The Kinks


 
A 6502.
Comunque chiunque sia in grado di darmi esempi di come si può
esprimere
in modo gentile e passabile dentro un curriculum il fatto di non
essere
propriamente disinvolti nel parlare l'inglese, così da rimandare
un'eventuale valutazione ad
un colloquio è il benvenuto.
Questo newsgroup sembra Alice quando va dal cappellaio matto :-)

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da wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages
 
 
un estratto
 
Common Reference LevelsThe Common European Framework divides learners
into three broad divisions which can be divided into six levels:
 
A Basic Speaker
A1 Breakthrough or beginner
A2 Waystage or elementary
B Independent Speaker
B1 Threshold or intermediate
B2 Vantage or upper intermediate
C Proficient Speaker
C1 Effective Operational Proficiency or advanced
C2 Mastery or proficiency
The CEFR describes what a learner is supposed to be able to do in
reading, listening, speaking and writing at each level.
 
level description
A1 Can understand and use familiar everyday expressions and very basic
phrases aimed at the satisfaction of needs of a concrete type. Can
introduce him/herself and others and can ask and answer questions
about personal details such as where he/she lives, people he/she knows
and things he/she has. Can interact in a simple way provided the other
person talks slowly and clearly and is prepared to help.
A2 Can understand sentences and frequently used expressions related to
areas of most immediate relevance (e.g. very basic personal and family
information, shopping, local geography, employment). Can communicate
in simple and routine tasks requiring a simple and direct exchange of
information on familiar and routine matters. Can describe in simple
terms aspects of his/her background, immediate environment and matters
in areas of immediate need.
B1 Can understand the main points of clear standard input on familiar
matters regularly encountered in work, school, leisure, etc. Can deal
with most situations likely to arise whilst travelling in an area
where the language is spoken. Can produce simple connected text on
topics which are familiar or of personal interest. Can describe
experiences and events, dreams, hopes & ambitions and briefly give
reasons and explanations for opinions and plans.
B2 Can understand the main ideas of complex text on both concrete and
abstract topics, including technical discussions in his/her field of
specialisation. Can interact with a degree of fluency and spontaneity
that makes regular interaction with native speakers quite possible
without strain for either party. Can produce clear, detailed text on a
wide range of subjects and explain a viewpoint on a topical issue
giving the advantages and disadvantages of various options.
C1 Can understand a wide range of demanding, longer texts, and
recognise implicit meaning. Can express him/herself fluently and
spontaneously without much obvious searching for expressions. Can use
language flexibly and effectively for social, academic and
professional purposes. Can produce clear, well-structured, detailed
text on complex subjects, showing controlled use of organisational
patterns, connectors and cohesive devices.
C2 Can understand with ease virtually everything heard or read. Can
summarise information from different spoken and written sources,
reconstructing arguments and accounts in a coherent presentation. Can
express him/herself spontaneously, very fluently and precisely,
differentiating finer shades of meaning even in the most complex
situations.
 
 
 


 
forse questo link è più esaustivo
 
Council of Europe Education and Languages
 
http://www.coe.int/t/dg4/linguistic/cadre_en.asp
 
 
vengono definiti gli standard europei ai quali ogni scuola, Cambridge,
Trinity ecc. devono comunque uniformarsi, e mi sembra quello che tu
stai cercando
 
grelobe
 
 
 

 Shhhh!
 
Hehe! ;)
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Sorry, not to have myself get a (good?) vote for free:-), but about
you,
which of this categories I should think myself is in (about writing)?

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Be honest , but not over-modest!  'Speaking is limited' sounds a bit too 
brutal ; I assume you will say something to the effect that you have no 
problems reading English ; and that your written English , if not perfect , 
is good , and you have no difficulty in conveying your meaning in writing ; 
so just say your skills in spoken English are 'more limited' , but adequate 
in most everyday situations .
 
Mike 
 

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that seems to sound both honest and not so pessimist. Thanks.