Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Sounds

Vi sembrano giusti i seguenti esempi?
Immaginiamo di pronunciare delle parole nel corso di una frase alla
normale velocita' del parlato.
"to eat" si pronuncia come se al posto della O di To ci fosse una W...
In "really enjoyed" al posto della E di enjoyed si pronuncia la
semiconsonante all'inizio di "years"...
In "I saw a...", la w di saw diventa un suono R.
Confermate?

 Confermate?
The notorious intrusive "r". As far as I know, in Britain it's heard more
often than not, but good actors tend not to use it (I think Emma Thompson
does); in USA it is not used, except in New England, if I'm not mistaken
(Joey?), or at least in Baaaston.
Bye, FB
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 (Joey?), or at least in Baaaston.
Maybe Brooklyn. They also put an "r" into words with "oi": "choice" =
"cherce".
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 can be close, but not the same thing.
You're right, of course. You'd have to say "reall" and then "yenjoyed" on
purpose.
Bye, FB
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(Murder by Death)

 "cherce".
Gee!  :-O
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 Bye, FB
Yep. Even now, with all my efforts to speak distinctly, I have to make an
effort to say "I saw a" without the R. It'll be when I'm not paying
attention that it shows up anyway. It's almost easier to put a slight
glottal stop between "saw" and "a", or to produce a diphthong along the
lines of aw-a (the hyphen is just to show the two sounds; not to indicate a
pause.)
From time to time during conversations, someone will utter "Oh, THERE's the
Boston accent... You just said <blah blah blah> and it sounded just like
Boston" and I wasn't aware of it.)
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Parliamo di BrE.
Ecco altri esempi di suoni intrusivi che ho trovato su "Upper
Intermediate matters", Longman.
I _(suono J di "years")_am
She_/j/_is
You_/w/_ought
No_/w/_other
Very_/j/_unhappy
Who_/r/_are
Anywhere_/r/_else
We're_/r/_out
More_/r/_or less.
Sooner_/r/_or later.
Beer_/r/_or wine.
Ammettendo che tutto cio' abbia un senso (*) , ecco un esercizio da
"Pronunciation Games", Cambridge University Press.
(*) = come diceva anche FB, mi pare, i suoni intrusivi non sono
solitamente considerati come il massimo della perfetta dizione
inglese. Tuttavia, quetio suoni fanno capolino nel parlato di tutti i
giorni, quindi IMHO vale la pena capire il fenomeno. Non ho capito
pero' se come EFL ci si debba sforzare di imitarli (?)
Ma ecco l'esercizio...
Occorre inserire i suoni /r/, /w/ oppure /j/.
Two_or three
Three_and a half
Draw_a line
We saw_a film
A queue_of people
We_aren't ready
Tea_or coffee?
Hello_everybody!
I_agree
Where_are you?
Go_ahead
True_or false?
Never_again!
Blue_eyes
Score_a goal!
Answer_a question
Give me_a ring
Try_again!
Go to_England
Day_and night
She_arrived
Four_and a half
A few_apples
Law_and order
Ed ecco le mie risposte, non so pero' se sono corrette
Two_or three  
w
Three_and a half 
j
Draw_a line
r
We saw_a film
r
A queue_of people
r
We_aren't ready
j
Tea_or coffee?
r
Hello_everybody!
r
I_agree
j
Where_are you?
r
Go_ahead
w
True_or false?
r
Never_again!
r
Blue_eyes
j
Score_a goal!
r
Answer_a question
r
Give me_a ring
j
Try_again!
j
Go to_England
w
Day_and night
j
She_arrived
j
Four_and a half
r
A few_apples
j
Law_and order
r

 regarded "tweet" to be rude or something
"I regarded it to be rude or something". Is that right?
Bye, FB
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contributing to being allowed just that privilege.
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 Yar, yar, yar. (sh*t-eating-grin face)
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 "I thought it was rude or something."
You know, I think I use such verbs as "think", "suppose" and "guess" too
often, so I try to vary my vocabulary. I regard this as a good practice. I
suppose you agree, don't you?
Bye, FB
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Just as I thought. Another test that could have cost us our lives, saved
only by the fact that I am enormously well-bred.
(Murder by Death)

 Riciccia, riciccia =)
Perhaps an explanation would be useful for those who, unlike us, aren't
from Rome.
Se leggémo, FB
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All the examples you give are normal in British English , except one - I've
never come across who_/r/_are , and can scarcely manage to say it . Are you
sure you haven't mis-heard a cheer ? Or perhaps you meant who_/w/_are ?
Mike

 suppose you agree, don't you?
I think I do. I mean, I suppose I agree. I guess you're right again.
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 suppose you agree, don't you?
In order for this funny joke to work, you have to answer "I guess I do". I
thought I'd better tell you.
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 Bye, FB
No need. (See my previous post.)
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 sure you haven't mis-heard a cheer ? Or perhaps you meant who_/w/_are ?
Yep, I might well have reported it wrong, sorry I can't check right
now, but the /w/ sound sounds likely to me too.
What do you think of the other exercise in my post?

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Do you mean 'to eat' etc. ?  If so , I meant to include those when I said
'all the examples you give are normal .' Re 'to eat' , you'll hear all
shades of pronunciation from 'to eat' to 'tweat' , though most usually
there's a schwa sound of varying length and distinctness between the 't' and
the 'w' .
Mike

Let me correct my awful slips! :(
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pronounced

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 make this w
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Thank  you for going through that long list of sentences!