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Titolo: Pronunciation of "jeep"

Someone told me that the most common pronunciation of jeep in AmE is 
/dziIp/ and not /dzi:p/. Do you agree?
Kiuhnm


Where did /dzilp/ come from? I've never seen that pronunciation even
suggested as a possibility.
Joe from Massachusetts

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I meant /dziIp/, where 'i' is "ee" like in sheep and 'I' sounds like the 
"i" in "ship".
Kiuhnm

 the "i" in "ship".
I think you meant to write /dZ/ instead of /dz/.  Or am I mistaken?
/z/ = the sound of 
 in Italian "rosa"
/Z/ = the French <j>
/dZ/ = the initial sound of "già"
/dz/ = the initial sound of "zona"
-- 
Tchau, -João do Sabão

 /dz/ = the initial sound of "zona"
What is that? ASCII IPA?
Kiuhnm

.
-- 
Tchau, -Jo�o do Sab�o

 /dziIp/ and not /dzi:p/. Do you agree?
Mmm, fist of all in English there cannot be contrast between /i:/ and /i/, 
so it is not too clear (at least to me) how to interpret your phonetic 
transcription. Perhaps that person wanted to say that some people pronounce 
the sound /i:/ in a non-standard way, but this wound't have anything to do 
with the word "jeep" in itself. For example, in Cockney /i:/ tends to be 
realised as [@i]. 

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Jeep rhymes with peep, leap, creep, seep, deep, beep, heap, sheep, etc.
Joe from Massachusetts

 I meant dziIp, 
I gather the phonemic transcription of "jeep" pronounced by an
American should be /dZi:p/, or /dZip/ according to some, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_phonology#Transcription_variants
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAMPA_chart_for_English
 .
Anyway, we can hear the pronunciation from a number of sources
http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?jeep0001.wav=jeep
http://www.bartleby.com/61/wavs/61/J0026150.wav
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861739597
Words and phrases that rhyme with jeep:   (75 results) 
1 syllable:
beep, bleep, cheap, creep, deep, diep, griep, heap, heape, keep,
kneip, kniep, leap, leep, lepe, peep, reap, reep, riepe, schliep,
seep, seip, seipp, sepe, sheep, sleep, steep, streep, sweep, tepe,
veep, weep
[...]
http://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=jeep&org1=syl&org2=l&typeofrhyme=perfect
Del resto, vedi anche la stessa etimologia riferita dall'American
Heritage, che fa derivare "jeep" dalla pronuncia della lettera G
seguita da una P...
"Probably pronunciation of the letters GP, designation for this
vehicle in the manufacturer's parts numbering system : G(overnment) +
P, ..."
 

 Jeep rhymes with peep, leap, creep, seep, deep, beep, heap, sheep, etc.
No doubt about it.
Let me rephrase my question.
Are there one or two vowel sounds in those words?
For instance, "shit" has two vowel sounds. "Feel" also has two vowel 
sounds, the last sound being determined by the 'l'.
But maybe a native speaker is not aware of these things.
Kiuhnm

 realised as [@i].
Please read my reply to Joseph Curtin.
Kiuhnm

 P, ..."
Interesting!
Now a question.
Listen to this:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?shit0001.wav=shit
Can you hear the two vowel sounds?
The phonetic transcription is /$It/ (or something like that), but I can 
hear two vowel sounds. Does the last sound come from the 't'?
Kiuhnm

 For instance, "shit" has two vowel sounds.
What?

 Can you hear the two vowel sounds?
Ma confronta con
http://www.bartleby.com/61/wavs/15/S0351500.wav

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Listen to
http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?shit0001.wav=shit
Can't you hear two different "tones"?
Kiuhnm

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Interesting. I thought it was a difference between British and American 
English, but the Longman DoCE presents the same pronunciation for both.
Kiuhnm

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Ma che e'?
Non conosco nessuno che la pronuncia cosi'!
J. 

Forse dipende solo dal fatto che gli speaker, pur essendo
professionisti, sono pur sempre esseri umani! E comunque esiste una
variabilitą nelle pronunce individuali.

 variabilità nelle pronunce individuali.
The difference is too big.
Just look at how Janis replied to my post.
Kiuhnm

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There are two syllables. He doesn't know shit about how to pronounce this
word.  :>)
This pronunciation is common in conversational language in the South -
almost a two-syllable word.
Joe from Massachusetts


That Bartleby knows his shit!
This is a common idiomatic expression, which is a compliment to Bartleby.
On the other hand, "doesn't know shit about" is also idiomatic, but is not a
compliment.
"I don't give a shit" is also very common, and means something like "Non me
ne frega un ca**o".
Joe from Massachusetts

 almost a two-syllable word.
Ok Joe. But isn't it strange that a dictionary as prestigious as the 
Merriam Webster has chosen such a pronunciation?
Kiuhnm

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I am amazed that the pronunciation got by the editors.
The speaker might have had some trepidation about enunciating a word he
might consider offensive, and thus was a little nervous when he spoke the
word.
Joe from Masachusetts

 the Merriam Webster has chosen such a pronunciation?
Ogni tanto capita di sentire pronunce strane anche nei dizionari!

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Mel Tillis is country singer from the South, who sings quite well, but who
speaks with a terrible stutter. So, a Southerner who stutters is doubly
likely to make this a two-syllable word..
Joe from Massachusetts

 Maybe Mel Tillis.
ROFLMAO!!! None of them will understand!
Ciao, Janis 

 /dziIp/ and not /dzi:p/. Do you agree?
No, You are mixing up phonemic and phonetic transcriptions...
What you probably meant is: the Am(erican) E(nglish) pronunciation of /
dZi:p/ is [dZiIp] .
However, my understanding is thay the actual pronunciation of phoneme /
i:/ is /iI/ in most English accents, non just in America, and not just
in "jeep".
--
Cingar

 in "jeep".
Not according to the answers I received in this ng.
Kiuhnm

> dZi:p/ is [dZiIp] .
If you absolutely want square brackets for phonetic transcriptions, then 
consider [dZiIp] and [dZi:p].
Kiuhnm

 No, You are mixing up phonemic and phonetic transcriptions...
AFAIK, a phonemic trascription is the most common kind of phonetic
transcription, showing the different phonemes (as formally defined in
a language, for instance /p/ for the "p" in "pen"), as opposite to a
"strict" phonetic transcriptions showing the actual sounds pronounced
by an individual or group of people (for instance [ph], with a
superscript h, to show that the "p" in "pen" is aspirated by English
speakers) or even different ways to pronounce the same phoneme.

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In my view ( as a non-linguist BE native speaker) the sound in this type of 
word usually tends towards /iI/ from /i:/ , but to varying degrees , and the 
same word may be pronounced (even by the same speaker at different times) 
almost anywhere along the spectum . Though the lists of rhymes for 'jeep' 
given elsewhere are of course valid , the fact is that the pronunciations of 
the vowels in those words are not identical anyway : for instance , I doubt 
that many people prounounce the words 'peep' and 'reap' with identical 
sounds in the middle .
I'm conscious of using variant versions of 'jeep' myself.
Mike 

 speakers) or even different ways to pronounce the same phoneme.
Correct, and notice your "opposite".
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Cingar

 >Cingarwrote:
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OK. And [iI] vs. [i:] are different pronunciations ("allophones") of
the same abstract phoneme: /i:/.
As far as I know, dyphthong [iI] is the most common pronunciation of
phoneme /i:/ in both main standard versions of English: BrEn and AmEn.
But I admit the difference beetween [iI] and [i:] is too tiny to be
clearly appreciated by my non-native ear, so actually I am just
trusting what phoneticians say (namely what Luciano Canepari sais in
his "Avviamento alla fonetica", Einaudi 2006).
--
Cingar

 Not according to the answers I received in this ng.
This implies my answer is not an answer you received on this NG...
Fine.
--
Cingar

 his "Avviamento alla fonetica", Einaudi 2006).
But you'll certainly be able to hear the difference between
http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?shit0001.wav=shit
and
http://www.bartleby.com/61/wavs/15/S0351500.wav
Kiuhnm

 That's wrong: 
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	Avevo trovato quella definizione su 
Introduction to phonetic transcription
http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-trans.htm
che pare fonte divulgativa ma informata: 
"The most common type of phonetic transcription is called phonemic
transcription..."
...
"The other type of phonetic transcription is much more detailed than
phonemic transcription. In "narrow transcription"...,"
I sacri testi della linguistica definiscono altrimenti?
In tal caso, me ne farò una ragione... no problem :)
Tuttavia, la definizione di Antimoon a me, profano, pare più 
intuitiva e corrispondente all'uso comune dell'aggettivo "phonetic",
riferito a qualsiasi trascrizione, comprese quelle basate sui fonemi
di una lingua.

 /dziIp/ and not /dzi:p/. Do you agree?
Gippe!
Super P.