Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Pranzo al sacco

Sapete coem si dice "Pranzo al sacco". Non l'ho trovato nei mei
vocabolari...
Poi un'altro aiutino:
"si (impersonale) potranno gustare selvaggina dal sapore sublime e tutti i
ricordi e le emozioni vissute"
io l'ho tradotto:
"you can try a sublime-taste game and all the memories of the emotions you'
ve lived"
come va?
Grazie
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Gio


Packed lunch
Yours
Sal

 "si (impersonale) potranno gustare
"Si" passivante, p' esse prescisi.
Ciao, FB

 ve lived"
A parte i problemi di grammatica, è estremamente italianizzato.
A che serve? Lavoro, compiti, o altro?
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Mary

 vocabolari...
AmEng Joe here.
"Box" (o "boxed") lunch.
"Brownbag" (BRAUN-bag) dal colore del sacco che si usa frequentemente. 
"to brownbag it" vuole dire preparare il suo proprio pranzo e prenderlo 
con se'.
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 Mary
"Italianazzato" Is that the term for language that is , ummm, how
shall I put it ... 'flowery' in English? I've been looking for a word
to explain the tonal difference fra English and italiano. 
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 to explain the tonal difference fra English and italiano.
No. I think Mary meant that it read like Italian translated literally
into English. This works especially badly if the original Italian is,
er, italianizzato...   :)
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 to explain the tonal difference fra English and italiano.
I'd like to better know it: what makes a sentence looking as
"italianizzata"? Avoiding it would help me to better construct the
sentences, I think.
About "italianizzato" from the "audio" side, in New York a teacher told me
that she meant "swinging" :)
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Maria Luisa C - 29/03/04 13.29.23, here.
please, point out my English errors!

 sentences, I think.
Split infinitives are not a crime, but in this case they do sound bad,
don't they? (just a question...)
Bye, FB


una traduzione per un sito ad un amico. Non lavoro, ma comunque serio.
Che faccio quindi? Come lo rendo?

 Che faccio quindi? Come lo rendo?
Non vorrei che il tuo amico ti odiasse, ma potresti fargli notare che la
frase italiana ha poco senso?
Ciao, FB

 
"I'd like to know it better: what makes a sentence look 'italianizzata'? 
1.) Avoiding it would help me construct (o "build", "make", "create") 
sentences better, I think." 
o:
2.) Avoiding it would help me construct (o "build", "make", "create") 
better sentences, I think."
"Better" puo' andare o prima o dopo "sentences."
(La seconda la preferisco io. Questione di: Vuoi creare meglio le frasi, 
(1) o vuoi creare frasi migliori (2)?)
p.s.: (I live in NY. Your teacher was right. :-)
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 p.s.: (I live in NY. Your teacher was right. :-)
Never doubted! ;-)
p.s.: Your Italian is flawless, bravo. Do you teach it in NY ? 
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Maria Luisa C - 29/03/04 19.50.10, here.
(please, point out my English errors)

p.s.: (I live in NY. Your teacher was right. :-)
You lucky! I miss that marvellous city.
Bright Lights, Big City.
Sebastiano
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Start spreading the news, I'm leaving today
I want to be a part of it - New York, New York
These vagabond shoes, are longing to stray
Right through the very heart of it - New York, New York

, MLC says...
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Grazie. No, non lo insegno, ma l'ho studiato da giovanotto, $% (ops) anni 
fa. La mia prima "girlfriend" all'eta' di 12 anni, era italiana e volevo 
apprendere "la lingua dell'amore." (Cosi' dicono i francesi della loro 
lingua, me che ne sanno?)
Le tue frasi in inglese non sono mali; non sono incorrette, ma un po', 
scusi lo scherzo, "italianizzate" come le mie in italiano devono essere 
"americanizzate."
Potete tutti indicare i miei errori, grazie.
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Nah, we split infinitives all the time. We don't speak Latin after
all, and one can  brazenly go where where no cloistered
self-important grammarian dare tred. (I'm talking historically here,
for all I know modern grammarians have caught up ) :-)
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Yeah, it's pretty darn ok, NYC. Big, filthy, loud, beautiful, tasty. All 
kinds of people all over the place doing all kinds of things, legal and 
illegal, fun and not so much fun, creative and really bad, restaurants of 
all kinds. Cammino dappertutto perche' amo tutte le attivita' sulla 
strada.
Sono arrivato qui 14 anni fa e credevo che mi dispiacerebbe molto molto, 
ma mi sono inamorato fra pochi giorni.
Vieni a rivisitarlo... i viaggiatori (e i suoi soldi :-) sono sempre 
voluti qui.
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, Loki says...
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Agreed. "Split infinitives" are a thing of the past these days. I would 
go so far as to say that in some cases, because of the cadence of the 
sentence, I think it is actually *better* to split an infinitive rather 
than to try to avoid doing it.
But you will find those antiquarian grammarians who will disagree with 
me. They're the same people who would say "Ending a sentence with a 
preposition is something up with which I will not put!" in order avoid 
ending a sentence with a preposition ("...something I will not put up 
with.") They will also insist on saying "It is I" instead of "It's me." 
Formal versus what everyone else is saying. ;-)
MLC, the only reason I suggested moving your "better" from before "know 
it" to after is that I think sounded a bit "stylized" or just a bit 
unnatural. It's not wrong.
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voluti qui.
I know. :)
There is an Italian journalist in NYC, his name is Stefano Spadoni. I
miss his parties. Lots of interesting people. And models.
Sebastiano
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No wonder people say "gesundheit" when you say "Tchaikovsky".

 voluti qui.
Giving back:  ;)
Sono arrivato qui 14 anni fa e credevo che mi _sarebbe dispiaciuto_ molto
molto, ma mi sono inamorato _in_ pochi giorni.
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Maria Luisa C - 30/03/04 10.02.15, here.
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Grazie, Maria.
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You're welcome.
My cut and paste though left behind "inamorato": it's _innamorato_ :)
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Maria Luisa C - 30/03/04 17.14.32, here.
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