Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: bestie & bestiami

ciao a tutti,
non riesco a tradurre "lean cattle" e "fed cattle": forse si tratta di
bestame allo stato brado e bestaqme di allevamento?
grazie!

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Hmmm. "Fat cattle" and "lean cattle". Sospetto che qualcuno accenna
alla Bibbia, anche se non lo sa lui stesso. Storia di Giuseppe, e
l'interpretazione dei sogni del faraone. Genesi 41, se non mi sbaglio.
(Controllo subito....si")
Nella Bibbia (Gerusalemme) si legge:
Gen. 41:
18 Quand'ecco salirono dal Nilo sette vacche grasse e belle di forma e
si misero a pascolare tra i giunchi. 
19 Ed ecco sette altre vacche salirono dopo quelle, deboli, brutte di
forma e magre: non ne vidi mai di cosě brutte in tutto il paese
d'Egitto. 
20 Le vacche magre e brutte divorarono le prime sette vacche, quelle
grasse. 
Nell' inglese della King James Version, "fat kine" and "lean kine";
altre versioni "fat cattle" and "lean cattle".
Gen 41 (KJV):
18 And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fatfleshed
and well favoured; and they fed in a meadow:
19 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill
favoured and leanfleshed, such as I never saw in all the land of Egypt
for badness:
   20 And the lean and the ill favoured kine did eat up the first seven
fat kine .
Buona fortuna!
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 bestame allo stato brado e bestaqme di allevamento?
Secondo me, "fed" e` il bestiame allevato in stalla e alimentato con i
mangimi (cattle feed). 
"Lean", in generale, vuol dire "magro", quindi credo che si tratti di
bestiame tenuto al pascolo durante l'estate (ma comunque alimentato
con i mangimi in inverno, immagino).
http://head2tail.com/beef/dcci_beef.shtml
What is Dickinson Cattle Co., Inc. (DCCI) Beef? It is pure Texas
Longhorn lean beef raised in the Appalachian foothills of south
eastern Ohio. 
Why is DCCI Beef better than Certified Angus? It is genetically leaner
with less waste fat. It is all naturally grown without hormones,
steroids, implants or laced with antibiotics of any kind.
The DCCI cattle herd enjoy lush legume pastures with mineral spring
water. When grass is covered by snow, hay is provided. During summer
months contented cows sleep over 60% of the time in deep Ohio River
valley grasses. No animal byproducts are fed at any time.
http://www.laurasleanbeef.com/
How do your cattle get so lean?
Vigorous exercise? A low fat diet? Well, in a manner of speaking...
Many of our customers are curious about what makes Laura's Lean Beef
steaks, roasts and burgers lean. It's a fairly simple process,
actually.
First, we start out by raising breeds of cattle such as Limousin and
Charolais, that produce beef that's naturally lower in fat than beef
from other breeds.
Next, we feed Laura's Lean Beef cattle a diet of natural grains and
grasses. This helps keep them lean as well as contributes to Laura's
Lean Beef great taste.
As for exercise, we don't have our cattle on a strict Jane Fonda
regimen, it's true. But they are raised on family farms, so maybe the
opportunity to wander around freely through the fields helps to keep
them on the slim side. We can't make any claims about the veracity of
this theory, of course, but a little walk through the grass never hurt
anyone...
1-800-ITS-LEAN
-- 
Enrico C
"The food is really icky in the school cafeteria"
icky: unpleasant (c) Dave's ESL Cafe Slang


grazie Alan, grazie Enrico!

 bestiame tenuto al pascolo durante l'estate
    Si parlerebbe di "free ranging" o di concetti simili, di certo non si
direbbe mai "lean" per un animale vivo, il quale, semmai, verrebbe definito
"thin".
    "Lean", invece, come giustamente riporti, si usa *per la carne*
dell'animale, ma č un altro contesto.
    Ciao,
            Nicola
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 sono un traduttore veterinario. Ritengo che si tratti di un errore di 
Probabilmente non e` un'espressione veterinaria 
Ma 'ho rintracciata in un glossario :)
Fed cattle
Animals leaving a feedlot, after fattening on a high protein ration,
that are ready to be sold to a packing plant for slaughter.  Beef
cattle are typically sold to packers at about 1,100 pounds, which
yields a carcass weight of about 660 pounds.
From the House Committee on Agriculture: 
A Glossary of Agricultural Terms, Programs and Laws
http://agriculture.house.gov/glossary/glossearch.htm
-- 
Enrico C
"I got snookered into buying swamp land in Florida"
snookered: cheated (c) Dave's ESL Cafe Slang

 yields a carcass weight of about 660 pounds.
Hmm, non risparmiano i dettagli.
Ciao, FB