Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Honey Bun

Nella canzone Honey Bun di "South Pacific" 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYEdezKgbrk
capisco il significato delle singole parole, ma non sono sicuro di aver
colto tutte le implicazioni e i doppi sensi del testo. Per esempio ne
intravedo uno tra pap e booby, giusto? 
Lo stesso titolo Honey Bun mi pare un doppio senso...
My doll is as dainty as a sparrow,
Her figure is somethin' to applaud.
Where she's narrow she's as narrow an arrow,
And she's broad where a broad should be broad.
A hundred and one pounds of fun,
That's my little honey bun!
Get a load of honey bun tonight.
I'm speakin' of my Sweetie Pie,
Only sixty inches high,
Ev'ry inch is packed with dynamite!
Her hair is blond and curly,
Her curls are hurly-burly.
Her lips are pips!
I call her hips 'Twirly' and 'Whirly.'
She's my baby, I'm her pap!
I'm her booby, she's my trap!
I am caught and I don't wanna run,
'Cause I'm havin' so much fun with honey bun!
I am caught and I don't wanna run,
'Cause I'm havin' so much fun with honey bun!
Believe me sonny!
She a cookie who can cook you 'till you're done,
Ain't bein' funny!
Sonny, put your money on my honey bun!

 intravedo uno tra pap e booby, giusto?
pap = pappy, papa, pop   =   father
It may not be in the dictionary, but it is used.
http://www.rd4u.org.uk/interact/messages/mess1202.html
Pap was used to make a rhyme with trap.
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Quali doppi sensi?
Joe from Massachusetts

 > intravedo uno tra pap e booby, giusto?
There is no double meaning for booby here. Although it could under certain
circumstances refer to a part of a woman's anatomy, here "booby" refers a
man, so the anatomical reference wouldn't apply.. Booby is merely half of
the phrase "booby trap".
In the 1930s and 1940s, risqu� dialogue was fairly common in films, but
after WWII and continuing on into the 1950s, the entertainment industry in
the US was quite prudish.
Joe from Massachusetts

  Booby is merely half of the phrase "booby trap"
Ora � chiaro, thanks!  :)

 Quali doppi sensi?
Oltre a honey bun, pap e booby possono avere lo stesso significato, ma
mi hai spiegato che invece non � questo il caso.
 

 colto tutte le implicazioni e i doppi sensi del testo. 
Leggere i sottotitoli no, eh?
:-D
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
-- 
La parola tradisce l'ossessione (Baudelaire)

 ï¿œ broad where a broad should be broad...
"Honey bun" is also a pet name for one's lover, although it's pretty dated 
nowadays.
-- 
Joe/Joey da New York

 nowadays.
In South Pacific c'� anche la canzone "There's Nothin' Like A Dame". 		
Anche "dame" sembrerebbe pretty dated, e -nonostante la nobile
etimologia- pare sia considerato derogatory...
Cambridge Dictionary of American English:
dame
DATED SLANG 
a woman 
a fast-talking dame
Encarta:
1. woman or girl: a term for a woman or girl  ( often considered
offensive  ) 
Wiktionary:
2.	# (informal, South Pacific) Slightly derogatory way of referring to a
woman.
    There ain't nothin' like a dame!
Sempre restando ai musical di R&H, spesso nelle loro canzoni viene usata
la parola "gay" nel senso originario del termine. Oggi questi versi
farebbero sorridere?
In State Fair: "...But I feel so gay, In a melancholy way, That it might
as well be spring, ..."
http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/123/state_fair..musical_ost..it_might_as_well_be_spring.html
In South Pacific: "...I'm as trite and as gay as a daisy in May...".
http://lada.chytrackova.sweb.cz/music/english/pacific.htm

 farebbero sorridere?
Yeah, sometimes. The songs are such classics that usually the 'double-sens' 
of today is overlooked (except among, say, *my* friends, where knowing 
glances, smirks and nudges might be  exchanged.)
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The singer/actress Bernadette Peters (born Bernadette Lazzarra) made her
first big splash in the off-Broadway production of the smash-hit musical
"Dames at Sea". The word can be taken as offensive, but certainly not in
this context.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0000027WI/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music
Joe from Massachusetts


The singer/actress Bernadette Peters (born Bernadette Lazzarra) made her
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the following extract from  'Seventeen Types of Ambiguity' may shed some 
light :
'A dazzling complex of multiple meanings ! The woman is his 'baby' - an 
affectionate term (also 'babe') for an object of erotic affection , but the 
dimension of protectiveness and authority is then asserted as the 'baby' 
becomes the child and the lover becomes her father ('pap' , pop , papa) ; 
this element , however , is both reinforced and countered by the 
simultaneous insistence on the sense of maternal tenderness , as the lover 
is also the 'pap' (or breast) at which the infant is feeding . This sense is 
reiterated in 'I'm her booby' (boob , breast) , but the delicate balance of 
power and dependence in the relationship is in the very same phrase reversed 
as the lover is also the one who is childishly foolish ('booby') , and 
indeed the totally subservient one in the relationship (he is trapped by 
her) ; and at the same time a new and more sinister suggestion is introduced 
(through the echo of 'booby-trap') that she has set out to capture him , 
even with ill-intent , or maybe is simply playing with his feelings (a 
'booby-trap' may be an explosive device intended to kill or maim the unwary 
, or it may simply be a practical joke , like the bucket of water balanced 
on the door) .'
Don't get me started on 'honey-bun'!
Mike

 Don't get me started on 'honey-bun'!
Do start, please! :-)

):
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No wonder so many relationships fail! :)
There's always this consolation, though:
"It's better to have loved and lost
than to have to do 40 pounds of laundry every week."
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I don't think the lyricists intended any double entendres, but some people
can find meaning where none exists. As far as "pap" goes, I don't think I
have ever heard the word used to indicate the female breast, or to indicate
infant nourishment. Most people in the US are probably unaware of any
meaning for the word other than its use as an acronym for the Papanicolaou
test, or perhaps in its most common colloquial meaning, "material lacking
real value or substance", as in the phrase "the pseudo-psychoanalytical pap
quoted above which purports to find hidden meaning in the words of a simple
catchy tune".
Joe from Massachusetts

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Hey , Joe - you know we Brits rarely speak without irony :)  I just made it 
up as a joke !
Mike 

 trovare l'equivalenza pap = pop.
Ho poi trovato un dizionario che riporta questo significato, per quanto
regionale e old-fashioned: il Dictionary of American Regional English
di Frederic Gomes Cassidy e Joan Houston Hall, volume P-Sk, pagina 30.
Su Google Books: 
http://books.google.it/books?id=i33BWgxbvXgC
pap
1 A father - usu used as quasi-personal name. 
chiefly Midl, S Atl  See Map     
old-fash
[...snip delle citazioni...]
2 A grandfather, an old man  Cf pap-pap

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It was the best way to illustrate the common pejorative meaning of the word,
and it succeeded.
Joe from Massachusetts

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If you google "pap", you will find many colloquial uses of the word to mean
both father and grandfather.
Another word which is not in the dictionary but which is quite common in
Ireland, is "da" for "father".
Joe from Massachusetts

 up as a joke !
Devilish Brits! :PPP  ;-)

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The Italians are also guilty of seeking meaning where none exists, as in
this simple song from 70 years ago, in which revisionist historians now
claim to find Romanesque swear words disguised as Chinese names.
http://italiasempre.com/fileMP3/canzonecinese.mp3
Joe from Massachusetts