Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: The Queen is Back

Isabella is back where she rightly should be
With her subjects, her people …. and me.
We all missed her in ways far too subtle  to count
But now all is forgiven, she is back without doubt.
And what stories of English to tell,  has our Queen
What adventures of where she has been?
Could it be that she’s weary, tired as a dog
Or that far away travelling  was really a slog?
Not pleasant,  not jovial, nor even a rest
But a lengthy excursio, her patience to test.
In your absence we pined  and lamented your loss.
And some disconsolate members almost got cross.
We, your subjects have been, as best we were able,
Erudite, studious, hard at work at our table.
Well, maybe that isn’t exactly the way
But  be sure that we  meant to, at least for a day.
Arianna, Giovanni, Peltio and Ron
And then Janis and Dario and others anon…
We made mayhem, and merry, mirth and  by gosh
We frequently missed you, I promise…(what josh!)
I conclude now with words meant to earnestly pray
You’ll not leave  us again, not for even a day!
Our Queen you have been and we trust will remain
Hear us all with one voice say this  joyful refrain:
The Queen is back…Long Live the Queen!.
Kindly allow for grammatical errors where poetic fancy obscured minor
linguistic details.I should also like to say that in no way am I
attempting to out-do the group's poet-laureat...I trust he will
forgive my trespassing onto his territory, and understand that
emotion, simply got the better of your humble servant.
I remain, as always, ecc
Bambi

Ciao a tutti,
I wonder if you realize the extent of humorous connotations in this entire
theme and concomitant headers seen from the cultural and historical
perspective of San Francisco, California, USA.
Ciao,
Ron

Bambi ha scritto nel messaggio +ADw-7fd9i6+ACQ-3b7+ACQ-1+
AEA-nslave1.tin.it
+AD4-...
(big sad snip)
+AD4-The Queen is back+ICY-Long Live the Queen+ACE-.
+AD4-
+AD4-Kindly allow for grammatical errors where poetic fancy obscured minor
+AD4-linguistic details. I should also like to say that in no way am I
+AD4-attempting to out-do the group's poet-laureate...I trust he will
+AD4-forgive my trespassing onto his territory, and understand that
+AD4-emotion, simply got the better of your humble servant.
+AD4-
+AD4-I remain, as always, ecc
+AD4-Bambi
I feel profoundly moved,
tears are drenching my cheek
oh the hell I went thru
without you for a week...
And here I will halt, because Bambi dearest, you did what no one ever
managed, not my Daddy, not my hubby, not my boss: you left me at a loss for
words.
Hugs+ACY-kisses
Isa

you left me at a loss for words.
A QUEEN BY ANY OTHER NAME
Sento della regina,
che adorna il gruppo,
Che cosa significa,
questo nome ambiguo,
Elenca suo papa',
anche suo marito,
E lei parla perfino
di un capo di tipo,
Ma non parla dei figli,
mi chiedo qualcosa,
La regina, sarebbe,
un uomo o donna?
Con affetto,
il tuo attaccabrighe,
Ron
USA
principiante in italiano, meritare d'indulgenza

Bambi wrote
+AD4-Isabella is back where she rightly should be
+AFs-...+AF0-
+AD4-The Queen is back+ICY-Long Live the Queen+ACE-.
Ve lo avevo detto io che questa era una tosta...
: )
ciao Bambi.
E ciao, Isa. Bentornata.
Peltio
P.S.
Scusate l'off-topic ma sono in preda ad una crisi di astinenza da ICLIng.
Dovevo scrivere qualcosa.

 > You+IBk-ll  day+ACE-
Ciao Bambi, ho molto ammirato il tuo fine umorismo in rime.
Sai  "navigare"  molto bene per evitare gli scogli!!
Mi dici cosa intendi con  "too subtle to count"?
Quali tasti premi quando vengono fuori quei segni strani?
Ti ricordo poi che anche Janis e' una Queen!
Cioa.
Giovanni

Dear Giovanni:
When strange coded characters appear, it seems I am attempting to
punctuate. That I can recognise, the following seem to cause problems.
colons
semi-colons
exclamation marks
quotation marks (but not  ' )
Italian letters on my (Italian) keyboard with accents on them
Additionally,  the first line which usually appears saying "X wrote in
article Y etc " and then a hypertex mail message number including
server
appears totally different and not in hyper-text.
In Isabella's response to my  That would be Good post,
the signs included to indicate that the first part was in fact
my original post which she was  including in her reply, also appeared
as character codes. From this latter, I deduce that she has selected
an option which says to respond to the message using the same format
in which the message was originally sent.
This post, OT obviously, deals only with the technical part of my
response to you.
A reply relating to other issues follows under separate cover.
Thanking you in advance for your attention to this matter,
I remain, as ever, ecc
Bambi
dtb

Ron wrote
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Huh???
Peltio

Italian letters on my (Italian) keyboard with accents on them
Accented characters are not included in standard, 7-bit ASCII. Since
only 7-bit ASCII can be reliably transmitted over the net, this leads
to problems when trying to use Italian in Usenet news. These problems
are not unique to Italian; all languages with accents have them.
Two approaches are possible: 
- (IMO preferable) using ASCII to represent the accented characters,
  or 
- using 8-bit codes and sending them somehow over the net (Italian is
covered by the 8-bit encoding known as Latin-1 or ISO 8859-1).
Bye
Ferdinando Chiodo

Peltio wrote :
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Sorry for the verbose post. Here's the translation:
The word "Queen" means something very different where I come from.
Ciao,
Ron

Dear Giovanni
Many thanks for your kind words regarding my humble attempt at putting
into verse, my overwhelming joy at our queen's return.
You say you detected within the verse, attempts  to skirt around
contentious issues.  Perhaps that is putting it  too strongly, and
your comparison that I was navigating  carefully around the reef,
rather  more accurate. In any event, I shall deny that there were any
reefs whatsoever, should I be pressed.
'Missed her in ways far too subtle to count.'
My intended meaning with this phrase was as follows.
Whilst there may not be any hard evidence as such  within the messages
posted during Isabella's abscence, and whilst there was no actual '
wailing and  gnashing of teeth', - at least none that I am aware
of -there is to be found, however, in subtle ways, an undercurrent
that her presence is lacking and she is indeed being missed by her
subjects.
Now whether all this is true or not, is of course, an entirely
different matter. It fit in with the rhymes I required at the height
of my creative composition.
*dear Isabella, I am joking again, and of course, we DID miss you
I am distressed  to find that you think I could so easily have
forgotten that Janis is also our Queen  However, you do well to subtly
point out my failing in giving Our Queen her due regard. Therefore I
trust the group will allow a minor amendment in the order of the verse
in question. It should in fact read thusly.
Arianna, Janis, Peltio and Ron,
And then Giovanni and Dario and others anon
We made mayhem, and merry, mirth and  by gosh
We frequently missed you, I promise (what josh)
Hoping this finds you well,


Dear Ferdinando
I am truly, much appreciative of your earnest attempts to assist me
with the problems I am experiencing when posting to this group.
I am able to speak, with varying degrees of proficiency, 5 languages.
I fear, the language you are quoting in your effort to assist me, is
not among them.
I understand the theory of what you wrote, but not how to put it into
practice.
Having faith that a comprehensible translation may be forthcoming in
the not too distant future,
I remain, as always ecc
Bambi
dtb

What you are seeing is to be ignored, hard as that is, I know.
It's computer language which I am trying to eliminate.
I remain, ecc
Bambi
dtb

practice.
Cara Bambi,
Temo che l'incomprensione derivi dal mio pessimo inglese. Scrivo
pertanto in italiano.
Internet viene utilizzato da computer che girano con differenti
sistemi operativi (DOS, OS2, Windows 95, Unix, ecc.). Il linguaggio
dei computer (macchine) e` costituito da una serie di 0 e 1. Una
sequenza di 0 e 1 che ha un significato per il mio PC (il cui sistema
operativo e` il DOS) potrebbe avere tutt'altro significato per il tuo.
L'unico modo per utilizzare dei caratteri riconosciuti in tutti i
sistemi operativi e' quello servirsi del cosiddetto codice ASCII
standard "ridotto" a 7 bit, un insieme di 2^7 = 128 caratteri fra i
quali *non* sono comprese le lettere accentate. (ASCII e`
l'abbrevazione di American Standard Code for Information Interchange.)
In realta', i primi 33 caratteri ASCII sono  "di controllo", per cui i
caratteri stampabili sono solo 95; ma comprendono lo spazio, le
lettere maiuscole e minuscole, le cifre, i segni di punteggiatura piu'
comuni e i caratteri che ti elenco di seguito: 
!"#$%&'()*+,-./:;<=>?@[\]^_`{|}~
I rimanenti 128 caratteri del codice ASCII 'esteso' (ossia a 8 bit,
2^8 = 256) possono variare da paese a paese e da sistema operativo a
sistema operativo. Perfino MS-DOS e Windows, entrambi della Microsoft,
fanno scelte diverse. Inoltre, anche se il destinatario disponesse
dello stesso sistema operativo di chi lo ha spedito, nel suo viaggio
attraverso la rete il messaggio potrebbe incontrare comunque dei
server incapaci di gestire un messaggio a 8 bit, rendendolo poco
leggibile. 
Finche' si usano i caratteri del codice ASCII ridotto non insorgono
mai problemi. In questo messaggio, come potrai osservare, *non* ho mai
utilizzato le lettere accentate, ma le ho sostituite sempre con la
corrispondente lettera non accentata seguita dall'apostrofo (in luogo
dell'accento acuto) o dall'accento grave. Dimentica, percio`, quel che
ti ho detto a proposito del codice Latin-1 or ISO 8859-1 e usa solo i
caratteri della tua tastiera privi di accenti, Umlaut, pipe, ecc.
Ciao
Ferdinando Chiodo

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  And so, what?
  Give us at least a hint... Maybe this meaning is related to the
even here known expression "Drag Queen"?
  Ron, let us know your humorous misunderstanding, so we can simulate
with our american friends [that] we're very confident to the San
Francisco
slang... :-)
  So, you see, I try to write in English, without a dictionary right
on hand (???), only 'cause you can certainly forgive my poor language
and maybe correct some mistake...
  Saluti
  (Regards)
  Gigi
-- 
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Luigi Mancinelli
Lab. Didattici
Fac. Scienze
Universita` di Trento
38050 POVO(TN)
ITALY
ma...@science.unitn.it
  Cercare di semplificare i problemi e` l'obiettivo,
 pensare che siano semplici e` la strada sbagliata (Gigi Mancinelli)

  Give us at least a hint...
Hint 1
Da noi avrebbe a che fare con un particolare ortaggio.
(Non voglio, con questa battuta da osteria, offendere nessuno però...)
Hint 2
Muta la n in r, e ritraduci.
Peltio.

  And so, what?
Queen [kwi:n] (slang derogatory): a male homosexual who behaves in a
feminine way (Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary).
Ciao
Ferdinando Chiodo

and maybe correct some mistake...
[hai usato bene "right on hand"]
["some mistakes" o "a mistake" (non come "qualche," "some" ha bisogno di
plurale]
Ciao, e i miei migliori auguri,
Ron,
USA
principiante in italiano

Dear Ferdinando,
Rest assured that my inability to comprehend what you wrote had
absolutely nothing to do with the standard of your English, and
everything to do with my ignorance regarding technical, computer
langauage.
I thank you for your assistance and trust I can resolve the problem
soonest.
I remain as always, ecc
Bambi

Muta la n in r, e ritraduci.
Ehehehehe... something like Freddy "the Queen" Mercury ...
--
Er Roscio.