Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Vincent

Guardavo il video di questa bella canzone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb_JB1gsgMY
 
 
un paio di osservazioni sulla pronuncia:
(sulle vocali non dico niente...)
 
"with eyes that know the darkness in my soul"
- "with" con la "th" sorda, unvoiced;
- "know" io sento un po' di K, invece di essere muta;
 
 
"how you tried to set them free"
qual ï¿œ l'oggetto cui si riferisce (them)?
 
 
Altre particolaritï¿œ?
 
 
-- 
Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary
necessities.
    -- Mark Twain
 

 qual ï¿œ l'oggetto cui si riferisce (them)?
 
IMHO, "they" are the observers who are too ignorant -- okay, maybe naive is 
less judgmental -- to understand his work.
 
Setting them free from their ignorance.
 
 
-- 
Joey from New York
Among those whom I like or admire, I can findï¿œno common denominator,
but among thoseï¿œwhom I love, I can: all of them make me laugh.
ï¿œ ï¿œ-- WH Auden
 

 Altre particolaritï¿œ?
 
Don McLean is notorio per le parole ambigue. anche con la canzone 
American Pie. American Pie ï¿œ rivale con MacArthur Park da Richard Harris 
per avere ll minimo senso di tutte le canzoni dell'epoca.
 
In ogni caso, si puï¿œ congetturare che il them vuol dire altre gente, il 
popolo, quelli che guardono i suoi quadri.

 Setting them free from their ignorance.
 
 
Thanks.
 
 
-- 
No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the
public at large.
    -- Mark Twain
 

 gente, il popolo, quelli che guardono i suoi quadri.
 
 
Giï¿œ, ora mi ï¿œ piï¿œ chiaro.
 
 
-- 
"The most important thing in the programming language is the
name. A language will not succeed without a good name. I have
recently invented a very good name and now I am looking for a
suitable language."
                -- Donald Knuth 
 

 Maybe is the T in "that" that deceives my untrained ear.
 
I listened and listened again to it but I can't hear the "k".
 
Kiuhnm

 I was taught that "with" has a voiced "th".
 
While both voiced and unvoiced pronunciations are possible, the unvoiced 
version is used far more often. In AE, at least.
 
It might be the "t" in "that" that you're mistaking for a "k", which you will 
never hear in a proper pronunciation of "know" or any of its variations.


 nell'avere meno senso fra tutte le canzoni dell'epoca.
 
Non serve spesso usare la fraseologia inglese per dire qualcosa in italiano.
 

 
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/with
 
 
Sento io il 'th' in tutt' e due delle pronuncie.
 
La mia esperienza � che soltanto la gente con accento abbastanza forte 
dice 'wit' invece di 'with'. Ma forse il mio criterio per sentire la 
voce � diverso.

 Invece io sento il 'th'.
 
Unvoiced, not mute. It means that the vocal folds don't vibrate.
For instance, /b/ is voiced, while /p/ unvoiced.
 
Kiuhnm

 For instance, /b/ is voiced, while /p/ unvoiced.
 
Thufferin' thuccotash!
 

 or any of its variations.
 
 
Probably so. My brain apparently is unable to get that. Could be
a microstroke... ;-)
 
 
-- 
"It makes no difference whether you win or lose until you lose."
                -- Unknown