Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Foje? Lampene?

Couldn't find these in Garzanti. Rigoletto is all done so now it is Tosca's
turn and I'm trying to translate the song of the shepherd boy in Act 3
Io de' sospiri,
Ve ne rimanno tanti,
Pe' quante foje
Ne smoveno li venti.
Tu me disprezzi.
Io me ci accoro,
Lampene d'oro
Me fai morir!
I've had to guess at this, and with little success, but I couldn't guess at
the Lampene at all.
I am left
With so many sighs for you
As often
As the winds blow them.
You despise me.
I grieve for you
? of gold
You make me die!
Can anyone hazard a guess?
Evi

 the Lampene at all.
So. It's difficult, because it *isn't* Italian. It's Romanesco, i.e. the
dialect you speak in Rome.
I'd guess something like that:
I give as much sighs
as leafs the winds move.
("foje" is "foglie")
You despise me.
I grieve for you
lamps of gold ("lampene" is "lampade")
You make me die!
But I'm not sure my translation is good.
Ciao
Ale

 Evi
bye
Gennaro
p.s.: if you're fast with Tosca too, your reputation is safe.. :_)
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 p.s.: if you're fast with Tosca too, your reputation is safe.. :_)
A love song would certainly fit in. Eyes, yes! That would make sense. But
golden eyes are a bit unusal.
So that would give me:
I breathe
As many sighs for you
As there are leaves
Blown by the wind
You despise me.
I am saddened by that
Your eyes of gold
Are killing me!
Yes, I think that may work. Thanks everyone. Another mystery cleared up.
Evi

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That's brilliant Alex! I'd never have got "foje" in a million years! I
didn't realise that there was a distinct dialect for Rome.
I wonder what he means about the lamps of gold....
Evi

 didn't realise that there was a distinct dialect for Rome.
Yes, there's a dialect for every single town in Italy. :-)
In Milanese (the dialect I speak here in Milan) it would be completely
ununderstandable.
Ciao
Ale

 ununderstandable.
<I'd sooner say that there is  a dialect for every region in Italy but at
the same time there are shades of dialects from neighbourhood to
neighbourhood in the same town.
The Neapolitan that people speak in some posh neighbourhoods of Naples is
very very different from the one they speak in the streets near the train
station.
At the same time Alex I hardly believe that people in Milano do not
understand foje .
You know that is pronounced like foglie with a Roman drawl.
Yours
Sal

 understand foje .
Yes, a Milanese can understand "foje", as I did. The point is that the
Milanese dialect isn't easily understood by non-Milanese speaking people.
Romanesco is basically a Laziale dialect, with a strong influence from
Fiorentino, so it can be understood by almost every Italian speaking people,
though some expressions are quite difficult.
Ciao
Ale
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Namárië Valinor

station.
Right, the same happens in my hometown (Genoa) where you can find
differences in the dialect spoken in different zones. I might also add that
the communities  where such differences are more striking consider each
other as complete idiots. I wonder if the same happens in Napoli.
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I know you can't speak, I know you can't sign
So cry right here on the dotted line

 Right, the same happens in my hometown (Genoa)
we spread (!) over the world ;)

 other as complete idiots. I wonder if the same happens in Napoli.
< The ones living in the posh neighbourhood consider the others their
inferiors (when they don't buy smuggled cigarettes from them).
Yours
Sal


dappertutto come il prezzemolo :)
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