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Titolo: despise when

"I despise when you do like that!"
Is it passable?
Kiuhnm


No.
Joe from Massachusetts

 No.
Is "Is it passable" passable?
Kiuhnm

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Yes.
Joe from Massachusetts


"Is it passble" is more than passable.
Joe from Massachusetts


Ooops.
 "Is it passable?" is more than passable.
Joe from Massachusetts

  "Is it passable?" is more than passable.
Ok. Then one can say "I hate when...", but not "I despise when...", 
right? The former is informal, I guess.
The sentence "I despise you when you..." is correct, even if not a "beauty"?
Kiuhnm

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That's not a sentence.
Is this the sentence which you say is correct, but is not a "beauty"?
"I despise you when you do like that."
Joe from Massachusetts

 right? The former is informal, I guess.
I'd say "I hate it when...", anyway.
Laz

 That's not a sentence.
Come on, it's Saturday!
Kiuhnm

 I'd say "I hate it when...", anyway.
Sě, ci va l'oggetto "it".
I hate it when you make me feel stupid
I love it when they play that song
I like it when it's warm.
etc etc
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
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"Solo che filosofare oggi, cosě ridotti come siamo, č come in una gelida 
giornata d'inverno farsi addosso una pisciatina per sentire un po' di 
teporino." (Giorgio Gaber) 


About the original sentence, "I despise when you do like that!"
The "preparatory it" is required before "when" for verbs of emotion like
stand, like, hate, love, despise, etc.
This was pointed out by Laz and also by Enrico the Potmaker.
«447
preparatory it (2): object
But note the structure I like/love/hate it when ...
I love it when you sing.»
(Swan, "Practical English")
«Stand
13 [no passive] (not used in the progressive tenses) used especially in
negative sentences and questions to emphasize that you do not like sb/sth
bear: [vn] I can't stand his brother.  I can't stand the sight of blood.  I
can't stand it when you do that.  [v -ing] She couldn't stand being kept
waiting.  [vn -ing] I can't stand people interrupting all the time.  How do
you stand him being here all the time?  note at hate»
«hate /het/ verb, noun
 verb (not used in the progressive tenses)
1 to dislike sth very much: [vn] I hate spinach.  I hate Monday mornings.  I
hate it when people cry.»
(Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary {on-line})
Adding an "it" would correct the first part:  "I despise it when..."
The second part, "..you do like that!" is unacceptable.
"I despise it when you do that" would be ok.
"I despise it when you do things like that" would be ok.
"I despise it when you act like that" would be ok.
"I despise it when you do like I do" would be ok.
You wouldn't say "Why are you doing like that", or "Don't do like that".
"Why are you doing that", "Why are you acting like that" and "Don't do that"
are much better.
Joe from Massachusetts

 that" are much better.
What you don't want to hear is "I hate when you do me like that."

Joseph Curtin wrote:
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Thanks for the thorough answer.
I found "I despise when..." (I don't remember the complete sentence) in 
a couple of exercises.
Kiuhnm

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Ok.
Kiuhnm

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It's interesting that the "preparatory it" is only used before "when",
probably because of some perceived ambiguity.
If I say "I can't stand when players cheat", does that mean that I always
sit down when players cheat?
If I say "I can't stand it when players cheat", there is no doubt that I am
expressing an aversion to something.
If I say "I hate when my wife wears curlers", does that mean I normally
don't hate, but am compelled by the sight of curlers to hate?
If I say "I hate it when my wife wears curlers", I am just making a
statement about something I don't particularly like.
Joe from Massachusetts

 It's interesting that the "preparatory it" is only used before "when",
Are you sure?
What about the following examples?
"It's good to see you again!"
"It's advisable to pay attention to that."
"It's important not to abuse power."
Kiuhnm

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I'm talking only about the unique use of the "preparatory it" after emotive
verbs and before "when" (and only before when), which we have been
discussing in this thread.
Joe from Massachusetts

 discussing in this thread.
Then you should explain to me that sentence of your.
What's interesting?
Kiuhnm

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It's interesting that only when emotive verbs are followed by "when" that
most people perceive an ambiguity.
Do you see any difference between the following sentences?
"I hate when I am told to hate".
"I hate it when I am told to hate".
Joe from Massachusetts

 "I hate it when I am told to hate".
A orecchio, direi:
1) Quando mi si dice di odiare, io odio.
2) Odio che mi si dica di odiare.
Ma la 2) potrebbe, forse, significare anche: 
Odio che si dica che sono un tipo che odia 
?
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Ciao,
Anna

 Then you should explain to me that sentence of your.
yours
Kiuhnm

 "I hate it when I am told to hate".
Once I was given a horrible little puppet. Now, I hate /it/ when I am 
told to hate.
Kiuhnm