Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Il "vostro" sito

Ho trovato e ascoltato sul sito del Ng il brano
"See No Evil, Hear No Evil"
http://web.tiscali.it/peltio/TheRealm/Learn/Hear/index.html
"E allora, che vuoi"?
Nulla, solo per dirvi che cambierò lingua! Spagnolo?
:)))))
Ciao
Davide

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LOL
It's a great temptation, isn't it?
But please stay with us, you'll find the Realm very gratifying... in the
long run :)
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Ciao,
Anna

 long run :)
Very very very very.... long run!
:)
Thank you to stand the odd posts of a great lurker of the ng!
Bye!
Davide

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dmonnetT...@firenze.net
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AmEng Joe here
Ok, I've just read this myself, (took me 45 minutes) and even *I'm* 
considering switching languages.... :-)))
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Un.not my address if you wanna reply.

 considering switching languages.... :-)))
Uhm, are you mother tongue? 
If yes...thank you very much! I feel a little bit better now!
:)
Ciao
Davide

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dmonnetT...@firenze.net
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Yep, born and raised negli USA, a Boston, Massachusetts. First language: 
(American) English (grazie a Dio): I can't imagine trying to learn it as 
a second language. You all deserve gold stars.
I always knew English pronunciation and spelling were difficult, but I 
didn't realize *how difficult* until I started trying to explain things 
to folks here. Thankfully the grammar isn't *too* bad: no noun genders; 
verb conjugations are pretty easy, except for those irregular ones; verb 
tenses also pretty easy (except, of course, for those irregular ones.)
But don't give up. I'm also studying Mandarin. If you think "cough", 
"through", "though", "thought" and the like cause difficulties, just 
imagine trying to remember what the 54 (at least...) meanings of "ma" 
(spoken with five different tones) can mean.
Why do we do it? We must love it or we must be crazy. Probably both.
Buona fortuna.
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 (spoken with five different tones) can mean.
:) I've heard somthing about this!
Good luck!
Davide

 Yes, I also think that you all english mother tongue are lucky! :)
"English native speakers". 
Ciao, FB

 "English native speakers".
Ci avevo pensato, ma poi ho detto "Naaa"...
:)
Denghiu!
Davide

 
Ah, but I must! Think of this: in Europe, you can travel a relatively 
short distance (from many areas, anyway) and expose yourself (not in the 
perverse way [joke]) to another culture and another language. I would 
*love* to be able to do that, but my choices are few: Canada, Mexico, 
South America. Canadian French or South American Spanish. If I'm lucky, 
Brazilian Portuguese (another lovely language.) Not bad, but not as 
diverse as Europe.
It's a major undertaking, this trip "across the pond", so I consider 
myself lucky whenever I can manage to do so.
See, for me, I think English is, well, <yawn> *boring*! (Everyone speaks 
it. And generally not so well!) In school I was only offered Spanish and 
French to study (I studied both) but I now have an intense fascination 
with the country of my origin, Italy, and the Italian language.
(Personalmente, credo che il mondo sarebbe molto piu' bello se fosse 
l'italiano la "lingua internazionale." Cosi', potremmo cantare ogni 
giorno, facendo i negozi, i spesi -- tutto. Ogni intercambio (e' una 
parola?) sarebbe una piccola opera, buffa, magari, ma bella.)
E' poi. Finito.
Ancora: Buona Fortuna, insegnanti dell'inglese!
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 giorno, facendo i negozi, i spesi
it would be worse, in my own opinion.
do you know why?
Because it is an awfully complex language, we native speakers of Italian
make BIG mistakes too,
there are too many exceptions for being an international language.
anyway, since I noticed you like Italian, I must warn you that "fare i
negozi" is a wrong statement, because it means
"to create shops" <- and it doesn't make any sense.
you can say "fare la spesa" / "fare la spesa nei negozi"
don't hesitate to point out my mistakes too =))))))

, [B&M]Ice 
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Grazie. E non esitare (di?) (a?) indicare i miei errori. (giusto?) 
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 Grazie. E non esitare (di?) (a?) indicare i miei errori. (giusto?)
Prego, mi fa molto piacere aiutare la gente :)
"Non esitare ad indicare i miei errori" or "Non esitare a sottolineare i
miei errori"
the choice is yours :)

Ancora: Buona Fortuna, insegnanti dell'inglese!
I think this can be considered correct. But tou won't say it in ordinary
Italian. You would rather say "insegnanti d'inglese".
cheers,
Peltio
--
"Safety, quality, quanity. In that order"
    a company's advertisment
    the typo is theirs

perhaps? :)
You are grossly underestimating the power of the mafia.
bacio le mani,
Pettio.
--
"Insured by M.A.F.I.A.: you hit me, *we* hit you."
    from a plate on a van

     from a plate on a van
dimmi che è vero :-)

, [B&M]Ice 
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Grazie. (Nice to have a choice.) :-)
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 Italian. You would rather say "insegnanti d'inglese".
E sempre grazie.
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 Because it is an awfully complex language
Is it?
Bye, FB

 there are too many exceptions for being an international language.
In my estimation English, real English, correct and idiomatic English is
far more difficult than many other languages.
Bye, FB

 Is it?
come on, haven't you ever heard Italian people making big mistakes?

 far more difficult than many other languages.
that might be so (I'm going to study oriental languages when I finish high
school, I'll tell you in a couple of years)
but if I were a foreigner I'd find Italian quite awkward to learn.

 negozi"
We also use "fare shopping"
Davide

 LOL. (RF in italiano? "ridendo fortemente"? 8-) 
No, we don't say "ridendo fortemente". You can use "ridendo a crepapelle"
:)
Bye
Davide

 LOL. (RF in italiano? "ridendo fortemente"? 8-)
as polvere said, you can say "ridere a crepapelle"
or also "ridere fino alle lacrime" =)
as obvious, it's up to you what to choose, there's no fundamental difference
=)

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Ok, so LOL = RAC; cric crac. :-)
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Io ho sempre detto baciamo le mani.
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 che usavo verra` presto abbandonato

 No, we don't say "ridendo fortemente". You can use "ridendo a crepapelle"
Però si può dire "ridere forte". E poi: sbellicarsi, spanciarsi, fare
grasse risate, farsi due risate (o quattro risate), sghignazzare (guffaw,
sneer), sganasciarsi, scompisciarsi, smascellarsi, buttarsi via dal ridere,
ridere fino alle lacrime, farsela addosso dal ridere,
schiattare/morire/crepare dal ridere, tenersi la pancia in mano dal
ridere... and many more. 
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Ciao,
Anna

 ridere... and many more.
Ma, malgrado tutto questo, le sigle internettiane universalmente
adoperate in Italia sono sempre "LOL" or ROTFL.
-- 
Mary

 comprano generi alimentari].
Ma "fare spese" significa "fare acquisti in generale".
Ciao, FB

 diverse as Europe.
Gee, you should try New Zealand - ocean and more ocean to talk to.
Unless I travel 2000 km to Australia and speak ... English (of a
sort)  <sigh> 
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 Nulla, solo per dirvi che cambierò lingua! Spagnolo?
¿Which "Spanish" will you choose: seseo, ceceo or zezeo?
 
http://www.geocities.com/szamora.geo/seseo.htm
¡Good luck!
 
http://www.uebersetzung.at/twister/es.htm
Ciao.
Marco
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 I travel 2000 km to Australia and speak ... English (of a sort)  <sigh>
:)

 ¿Which "Spanish" will you choose: seseo, ceceo or zezeo?
:)
No, it was a joke (although I'd like to learn spanish)!
Ola!
Davide

Ola!
Lesson number one: it's Ąhola! ;)
Sebastiano
-- 
No wonder people say "gesundheit" when you say "Tchaikovsky".

 adoperate in Italia sono sempre "LOL" or ROTFL.
talvolta anche lmao

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As a matter of fact foreigners usually get by in Italian quite soon, and
after some years they can easily be taken for native speakers. 
I don't think the same is true for English, and particularly I think that
being able to speak and write advanced English is really demanding.
In other words, after many years * there'll be always someone who tells you
"Yes, that's correct, but I'd never say it".
For Mary Cassidy. "After many years there'll always be", "after a lot of
years there'll always be" (they're both affirmative sentences): compare and
contrast. (witty face)
Bye, FB

 sort)  <sigh>
Don't people speak English in New Zealand?
Bye, FB

 żWhich "Spanish" will you choose: seseo, ceceo or zezeo?
Dovrebbe fare piů confusione in spagnolo americano, mentre in castigliano
solo due dovrebbero essere omofoni, no?
Ciao, FB

 Yep, born and raised negli USA, a Boston, Massachusetts.
Boston? You might like this:
http://www.boston-online.com/glossary.html
Bye, FB

 Ma "fare spese" significa "fare acquisti in generale".
Esiste, per caso, una differenza del genere tra "doing shopping" e
"doing the shopping"?
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yes, a rare form of English with little variation between vowels
:-))).
it was my point ....America has those languages nearby, Europe has
them even nearer.
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 "doing the shopping"?
I think 'doing shopping' is vernacular if used. To my ears it sounds
wrong.. Here we would say as in these examples.
Q. "What are you going to do now?" A."I'm going shopping." and 
Q. Where's Fred?" A."He's out doing the shopping."
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Cheers,
Loki               [ Brevity is the soul of wit.  W.Shakespeare ]

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Ah yes, the grass is always greener in the other fellow's yard... :-)
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, FB says...
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This is great! How do youse guys find dese tings? :)
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, FB says...
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Si, vero.
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 there".
I've just learnt that expression. Does Ava Gardner do it in a film?
Bye, FB

 This is great! How do youse guys find dese tings? :)
I spend a remahkable paht of my time seahching that stuff.
Bye, FB

 Grazie. E non esitare (di?) (a?) indicare i miei errori. (giusto?)
Interesting error, too. Si dice in francese-canadese "faire le
magasin". Aside to Joe: fear not, people on icling will *certainly*
correct your errors. Even when they aren't errors. Se ti posso dare un
solo consiglio: NON bestemmiare, MAI. Not that you would, but unless
you are a real flak[1]-lover.... don't.
Comunque, sto dalla parte di Joe qua. L'italiano dovrebbe essere la
lingua internazionale. Nessuno odia gli italiani. I toscani, forse... e
non oso parlare dei siciliani....
(faccina sorridente)
Someone should dig up the Hemingway story where "Italian is a very easy
language." Ho ho.
[1] Interesting how the German Fliegerabwehrkannone has become such a
useful English word.
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My .
mac.com
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If you wish to email me, try atlothian at blueyonder dot co dot uk

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 you are a real flak[1]-lover.... don't.
i fail to see why the Americans should be so prone to blaspheme. I mean,
I've never read a blasphemy written by an American.
Bye, FB

 "Fear not": humorous, emphatic or common expression?
All the above: (can be) humorous, can be emphatic, is relatively common.
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 All the above: (can be) humorous, can be emphatic, is relatively common.
Are there similar expressions? In S&S (the book I've been writing about for
over a month...) I found some: "I know not" and "I doubt not" were the
commonest. I gave it for granted they were not used nowadays.
Do you think "fear not" is the only such expression relatively common even
nowadays? (<== is this sentence spot-on?)
Bye, FB

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Spot-on it is. (But is it only over a month you've been writing about it? 
Seems like several months, maybe even a year!)  8-)
Off hand I can't think of others similar to "fear not" (the others are 
definitely out-of-date) but I know they exist; carryovers from Old/Middle 
English usage. I'll shake my brain a little and come up with others.
*Please* tell me you remember that Jane Austen's language is dated. :-)
How about reading something a little more current? I would recommend 
wholeheartedly "The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay" by Michael 
Chabon. (Especially if you're interested in American English.) It won a 
Pulitzer Prize a couple of years ago. I fell in love with his writing; I 
found myself reading it very slowly, so I could savor the language. There 
were parts that were more "expository": just to get the story moving 
along, and I read those at a normal pace, but when they were over, I 
began reading slowly again. (This was all subconscious, on my part, and I 
only realized it afterward, as I was raving about the book to everyone I 
know -- and a few I didn't know. Hey, it's New York City. So what if they 
think I'm nuts?)
Also, I am sending wave files to you and Enrico, but since they're so 
da*n (that can mean "damn" or "darn", as you like) big, I have had to 
separate them into split zip files. The e-mail explains this, if you're 
not familiar with it.
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 not familiar with it.
Zip files? Whether I shall be able to handle them I know not, but it should
not be beyond my skills. I feel confident enough as I am fairly sure of it; 
and yet to say I certainly shall were an all-eating shame and thriftless
praise. (<== this is *too* much)
How big are they? I hope there is enough room here at Barton Cottage.
Bye, FB

 How big are they? I hope there is enough room here at Barton Cottage.
The wave files are each around 3MB, slightly larger. I've now sent the 
first two of seven. If you can't "unzip" them, I can redo them in a self-
extracting file (an .exe file that will self-unzip.) At least, I think I 
can do that. Maybe I should just go to the coast and shout REAL LOUD!!!
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giorno.
You were in my turf, m'friend. Here, in Veneto, those words are
-unfortunately - *very* common. Where have you been?
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Pulitzer Prize a couple of years ago.
Never heard of him. I'll buy the book. 14.02 Euro on 
www.ibs.it
 for
the paperback. In English, of course. :)
A book I love, and I find myself reading bits of it, just for the sake
of it, is "Bright Lights, Big City" by Jay McInerney; have you ever
read it? It's 100% New York, 100% the 80s, that means fun galore. I
also have the movie, nice, but the book is way better. And, even if
Keifer Southerland is *perfect* for the role of Ted Alligash, Michael
J. Fox shouldn't be the protagonist. Too "angel face".
Now I am *finally* reading "A Game of Thrones" by George R.R. Martin.
Fascinating.
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 Fascinating.
I agree with you entirely ;-)
Elisa

I agree with you entirely ;-)
^_^
Welcome back, m'lady.
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 Sebastiano
It's a real pleasure to read your kind words,  Sir Sebastiano :-)
Elisa

 Maybe I should just go to the coast and shout REAL LOUD!!!
That's a possibility, you're right.
Bye, FB

 adoperate in Italia sono sempre "LOL" or ROTFL.
Never heard of ROTFLASTC?
 (\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
(ROTFL and scaring the cat)

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I read "Bright Lights, Big City" when it was published, long before I 
thought I would *ever* live in NYC, and here I am, and loving it. Great 
book. I'm sure I still have it tucked away somewhere. I haven't seen the 
movie, though, so it may be worth a rental.
Io voglio leggere di piu' in italiano. Ho comprato una collezione di 
Buzzati "Le Notti Difficile" che mi fa piacere. Voglio anche leggere il 
"Decamerone, da un Italiano All'Altro" di Busi, ma non l'ho trovato.
Tentavo di leggere quello di Boccaccio, mamma mia.
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Tentavo di leggere quello di Boccaccio, mamma mia.
You're looking for trouble. ;)
I'd say you could enjoy something written by Stefano Benni.
http://ec.eurecom.fr/~giorcell/Benni/
There is a book written by an Italian guy that lives in New York. His
name is "Stefano Spadoni" and he is a journalist. 
http://www.stefanospadoni.com/
I met him when I was in NY. I went to two of his famous parties. Lot's
of Italians, lots of models. ^_^
Anyway, he wrote two books, one is called "Vado a vivere a New York",
and it's about how to go to live to the Big Apple, and how's life
there. It's from an Italian point of view. I don't think you will
agree on everything. I am Italian and I don't.
He wrote another book, after September 11. It's called "New York,
Terrorismo e Antrace".
I saw an edition of "I Promessi Sposi" for sale for 1.69 euros in a
bookstore of my city - Verona - do you want it? It's a very old and
difficoult Italian, but the book is so famous - here - that maybe you
want to have it. The book is new and with lots of useful notes.
About reading in Italian, there is a book by Giorgio Faletti called
"Io uccido". Everybody say it's great. I've not read it yet.
Have you seen 
www.ibs.it
 ? There are lots of books in Italian and they
ship overseas, but the are heavy S&A fees and duties to pay. :(
If you need books or magazines or anything from Italy, just ask. :)
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gran dottori, e molti giorni sulle spiagge serenissime  :>)))
^_^
You've visited my city, then.
For who's not aware of what we're talking about:
Veneziani gran signori
Padovani gran dottori
Vicentini mangia gatti
Veronesi tutti matti
In my dialect:
Venesiani gran signori,
Padovani gran dotori,
Vicentini magna gati
Veronesi tuti mati.
The whole saying (in a dialect of Veneto, but not mine. I guess it's
the "cat-eaters" way of speakin' ^_^):
Venesiani gran signori 
Padovani gran dotori
Visentini magna gatti
Veronesi....tuti mati
Udinesi castelani
co l cognòme de "Furlani"
Trevisani pan e tripe
Rovigòti baco e pipe
i Cremaschi fa coioni
i Bresàn, tàia cantoni
ghe n è ancora de pì tristi....
Bergamaschi brusacristi!
E Belun ? Pòreo Belun
te sè proprio de nisun!
No darghe bado, el parla perchè el ga la boca
Basta esar mona par esar superbo.
http://malamessomal.altervista.org/pagine/barzellette/proverbi.html
It's the first time I see the whole saying. Well, I wasn't even aware
that the was such a saying. I only knew the first strophe, stanza or
whatever it is.
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"Io uccido". Everybody say it's great. I've not read it yet.
Ugh.
Neither did I. Trouble is, I own the book and gave it a try.
For the time being, my critical acclaim : ) is: "even if it's too thick to
be placed under a table's leg, it makes a great door stop".
saluti,
Peltio
Nice cover, though.

 
Sei molto gentile, grazie. And I mean it about the quarters. Right now I 
have five of them in my pocket, but the only one that I have that you 
don't have is Pennsylvania. I'll look for others...
My DSL is down today, and they say it won't be fixed until next week, so 
I'm only using Dial-up for a while.. I may not be around all that much, 
and also, I'm going to Nuova Inghilterra tomorrow for Easter..
Buona Pasqua!
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 I'm going to Nuova Inghilterra tomorrow for Easter..
Say hello for me! I'm sure I'll come over someday, and when I do, I'll
shout "Joey, wherahyou?". (witty face)
Bye, FB

Buona Pasqua!
You too!
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 If you stumble on a quarter I need
Well, I've never seen a US quarter, but I should think it's pretty unlikely
to make something stumble which is bigger than an ant.
Bye, FB

 Bye, FB
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 Sebastiano
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to make something stumble which is bigger than an ant.
^_^ Since there are no "faccine sorridenti" I guess you're *kinda*
serious. "to stumble on a stone", for instance, means "inciampare in
un sasso", but "to stumble on the stolen necklace" means "imbattersi
nella collana scomparsa" and "to stumble across" means more or less
"to come across".
If you were only making a joke - a nice one, BTW, please accept my
apology for the *not* needed explanation.
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Tu too.  :-)
LOL.
Or "anche you". :)
Sebastino
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I would say stumble upon in this context.
Thanks, so I should have said "If you stumble upon a quarter I need",
right?
Oh, BTW, could you please avoid top-posting? Thanks.
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 Excuse the correction, but that should be "...wherAHya?  :)
Of couhse.
Bye, FB

 "to come across".
In senso stretto si "stumble against", mi risulta, quindi ho dovuto
impiegare un po' di tempo per trovare una frase che non avesse bisogno
della preposizione... (faccina sorridente)
Ciao, FB