Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Americanate

Come si dice in inglese "americanate"?
 
Era una parola usata quando l'America (USA) era ancora un mondo
misterioso, fino agli anni 70 direi.
 
Oggi non mi pare che si usi molto.
 
 
-- 
My own business always bores me to death; I prefer other
people's.
    -- O. Wilde
 

 Oggi non mi pare che si usi molto.
 
Perhaps it became less relevant during the age of Berlusconi.

 
oggi forse si dice che gli USA sono un incubatore. Cioè attirano persone con 
idee anche stravaganti, americanate, appunto, per esaminarle ed 
eventualmente concedere loro credito nella eventualità portino risultati 
economici o scientifici o di altro tipo. Ovviamente ci sono anche industrie 
tradizionali (il classico stabilimento che produce auto, ad es., ma o viene 
delocalizzato in un Paese in via di sviluppo o ... viene la FIAT che se lo 
compra  ;-)  ).
 

 Perhaps it became less relevant during the age of Berlusconi.
 
 
"Berlusconate" won over "americanate"! 
:-)
 
I think that on one hand Americans today are different from 40
years ago (just think food and drink) and on the other hand the
rest of the world has been americanized (just think food and
drink) so differences are less important.
What was strange then is less strange today.
 
 
-- 
One should always be in love. That is the reason one should
never marry.
    -- Oscar Wilde
 

 sviluppo o ... viene la FIAT che se lo compra  ;-)  ).
 
 
Sì, sono sempre stati più aperti mentalmente su quegli aspetti.
 
Ma parlavo di un'altra cosa: dell'aspetto bizzarro che per noi
europei avevano molte cose "nuove" ed "esagerate" che venivano
dall'America.
 
Mi chiedevo se 
p.es
. in GB o Australia o, al di fuori della
lingua inglese, 
p.es
. in Germania, questi aspetti erano
descritti con un termine analogo a "americanate".
 
 
-- 
There is no distinctly native American criminal class except
Congress.
    -- Mark Twain
 

 years ago (just think food and drink)
 
Is that so? What changed, food-wise? (just asking!)
 
-- 
Enrico il Pentolaio.

 Is that so? What changed, food-wise? (just asking!)
 
Alice Waters at Chez Pannisse in Berkeley, California. In the 70's it 
was called "California Cuisine." And then, years later, it caught on in 
Italy, and they embellished the ideas and began to call it "slow food." 
Some Italians even stopped boiling vegetables until they almost fell apart.
 
During that same time Californians began making fine wine, and winning 
prizes at blind tastings, to the dismay of French judges who had chosen 
the California entries as better than the traditional French favorites.
 
The scientific wine-making techniques pioneered by Robert Mondavi of 
California revolutionized winemaking around the world. French table 
wine, bought up by the French government for years to remove it from the 
market because it was too horrible to drink (they bought Italian table 
wine instead), improved through the borrowing of US scientific techniques.
 
Americans started drinking more wine and the international market began 
to make wine for the American market. The downside of all this was that 
the wines were made to please the palate of Robert M. Parker, Jr., a 
wine critic with a super-sensitive palate. The "Parkerization" of wine, 
worldwide has caused some diminishing of the individual uniqueness of 
many winemaking traditions.
 
Now, aren't you glad you asked? ;)
 

That's California! What about the other 50 States? 

 Come si dice in inglese "americanate"?
 
Depends on the context. Generally speaking, something like 
"American-style", I guess... and frowning eye-brows. :D

 Now, aren't you glad you asked? ;)
 
Yeah, well... ok for wine, but... how about everything else? It doesn't 
take much to notice that most people have no clue as to how a balanced 
diet should be.
 
-- 
Enrico il Pentolaio.


 
My former boss, an amateur wine connoisseur, used to say that 
Californian wines are all about softness, and so are the Italian wines 
sold in the U.S.

 diet should be.
 
I agree. What Tony described is the sorry character known as "foodie". 
Being aware health-wise of what one eats, that's another matter.

 Being aware health-wise of what one eats, that's another matter.
 
I disagree. Perhaps you missed the first paragraph. The revolution in 
cooking for which Alice Waters was an early proponent and now has 
evolved into Slow Food in Europe is based on fresh and local produce and 
well-fed meat products, and is more than cognizant of the importance of 
eating healthy food.
 
Of course, the fact that many Americans, especially in the Midwest, 
South, and rural areas, have not updated their habits is another issue 
entirely. For that matter, some Italians have also not updated and still 
boil their vegetables to the point of limp baby food.
 
By the way, the term "foodies" merely describes people for whom food is 
very important in their lives and they spend a lot of time thinking and 
talking about it. Hmmm, that makes me wonder... is Mr. Cucuzzi saying 
that most Italians are sorry characters?
 
Some foodies even like French food, with all those heavy sauces, overuse 
of butter, and minced fatty meat products. So, it's correct to say that 
many foodies are not health-aware. That is very different than the 
direction taken by California cuisine. (I always hate to use that 
French-derived word "cuisine," but people can't figure out what I'm 
saying if I use "cucina" or "kitchen." It's almost as irritating as 
having to use the word Renaissance instead of Risorgimento.)

 the word Renaissance instead of Risorgimento.)
 
Californian cuisine is probably healtier than a Big Mac with fries and coke 
on a daily basis... because it brings a balanced mix of macronutrients to 
the table, though, not because it uses local and organic ingredients :)
 
 

 having to use the word Renaissance instead of Risorgimento.)
 
 
Rinascimento, il Risorgimento venne dopo l'Illuminismo.
 
 
-- 
If you laid all of our laws end to end, there would be no end.
    -- Mark Twain
 

 that most Italians are sorry characters?
 
Ouch… let's not get into that :-/

 Rinascimento, il Risorgimento venne dopo l'Illuminismo.
 
Oops! Hai ragione. Grazie.
 
Vedi che cosa succede quando non si usa un termine da molto temp? 
All'università mi hanno insegnato 'Renaissance' in ogni caso, anche se 
il fonte era l'Italia (che non c'era fino al Risorgimento).