Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Stop being such a dweeb!

Being a fanatical supporter of
what you may call "slang", which I consider to be an important part of any
language (e merita ogni rispetto), I include a list of the latest words in
use taken from the article STOP BEING SUCH A DWEEB, "Woman's Own"  26
Oct.1998. How many did you know, and would you really have wanted to?
pants     =  rubbish, or an expression of annoyance
lush       =  usually applied to good-looking boys
boyf      =  short for boyfriend
rare       =  really good, great
safe       =  as above
mingin   =  disgusting
dweeb  =  uncool person
solid     =  hard, difficult. Can be applied to homework  or a tough person
talent    =  good-looking boys or girls
At this point you may well be turning away in disgust, but just to balance
the scales, here's some pretty useless information, which I quote directly
from J.E.Thompson's "English in a Nutshell" (Wheaton 1961):
     GRAMMATICAL  ERRORS
Common mistakes                     Correct form
Mary is not so old as her.             Mary is not so old as she.
Who did they ask?                      Whom did they ask?
Who is your letter from?           From whom is your letter?
It is no use me going.                  It is no use my going.
It is me.                                         It is I.
Although Bambi knew this all along, I must admit, I was quite taken aback.
But then, alas, I didn't have a Covent School education. I guess some people
are just born lucky.
    I remain,
              Your obedient servant
                                Cathy.d
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Where ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise.


No, it's just that this is an old grammar book. Some of the things it
cites as errors are widely accepted now.
Mary is not so old as her.     	This is normal spoken English (not
*as* 				old is more common)
Who did they ask?              	So is this. You'd use "whom" in a formal
				written text.
Who is your letter from?       	Ditto
It is no use me going.         	This is incorrect, but commonly used in
				spoken English
It is me.                      	This one's controversial, but
				most people nowadays say "it's me", not 				"it is I"
Mary
(remove "nospam" to reply)
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"I'll have to split you two up," Tom said dispairingly

                                Cathy.d
Tenete conto del dato 1961. Userei tutti i "common mistakes", aparte
magari "It is no use me going". Ma mi piace il genitivo qui.
My using the form doesn't make it the best form, of course, and all the
"common
mistakes" would be quite acceptable in educated Australian English, and I
dare
say, most British Englishes.
In fact, only a dweeb would make a point of saying the "correct form" these
days.
Raymot
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 wrote:
" [...]
" >At this point you may well be turning away in disgust, but just to balance
" >the scales, here's some pretty useless information, which I quote directly
" >from J.E.Thompson's "English in a Nutshell" (Wheaton 1961):
" >     GRAMMATICAL  ERRORS
" 
" Common mistakes                     Correct form
" >Mary is not so old as her.             Mary is not so old as she.
" >Who did they ask?                      Whom did they ask?
" >Who is your letter from?           From whom is your letter?
" >It is no use me going.                  It is no use my going.
" >It is me.                                         It is I.
" Tenete conto del dato 1961. Userei tutti i "common mistakes", aparte
" magari "It is no use me going". Ma mi piace il genitivo qui.
Per quel poco che puo` valere il mio parere, ricordo che al liceo (~1980)
la seconda e la terza forma "corretta" erano definite pedanti. Non
riuscirei proprio a dire "It is I", ma in compenso "Mary is not so old as
she" mi suona meglio.
ciao, .mau.

ciao, .mau.
Bambi, .mau. is the well known Usenet personality I was talking to you
about.
And you take my word for it.
Ciao
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching

 It is me.                                         It is I.
Sul NG papà di questo c'è stata una chilometrica disquisizione
sull'errore del "te" al posto di "tu" e sull'analogia con l'errore 
"me" al posto di "I". In italiano siamo piuttosto comprensivi... 
ma in inglese? "You & me" or "You & I"?
-- 
____________________________________
Giancarlo Pillan  -  Ivrea  -  Italy
____________________________________

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:
:Being a fanatical supporter of
:what you may call "slang", which I consider to be an important part of any
:language (e merita ogni rispetto), I include a list of the latest words in
:use taken from the article STOP BEING SUCH A DWEEB, "Woman's Own"  26
:Oct.1998. How many did you know, and would you really have wanted to?
:
:pants     =  rubbish, or an expression of annoyance
:lush       =  usually applied to good-looking boys
:boyf      =  short for boyfriend
:rare       =  really good, great
:safe       =  as above
:mingin   =  disgusting
:dweeb  =  uncool person
:solid     =  hard, difficult. Can be applied to homework  or a tough person
:talent    =  good-looking boys or girls
:
:
:Although Bambi knew this all along, I must admit, I was quite taken aback.
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, 
gcpi...@email.com
 says...
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I assume you mean "you and I" as an object of a 
preposition, Giancarlo. This is *wrong*, anywhere in 
the English-speaking world.
"You and I won a holiday. The holiday was for you and me"
for you and I - incorrect!
with you and I - incorrect!
qualsiasi altra preposizione you and I - incorrect!
"for you and I" is occasionally heard in pop songs,
and it's always because a rhyme is needed for sky
or pie or goodbye or sigh. 
This construction does NOT belong on the list of
common mistakes which are acceptable.
Per favore, non usatelo.
(Non usate neanche "You and me" come soggetto)
Se hai inteso "you and me" come complemento di 
"to be", forse c'e` una scelta.
Facendo referimento a una foto:
"That is you and me" "That is you and I"
I pedanti del 1961 forse direbbero la seconda, ma
nessun'altro. "Me" come complimento di "to be" e`
normale e corretto nell'inglese moderno. Pero` non 
come complemento di una preposizione - e` vietato.
Ciao, 
Raymot
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Brisbane, Australia
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 "I'll have to split you two up," Tom said dispairingly
Yes I realised it was an old book, but I wanted to prove a point:
today's commonly used errors will one day be considered grammatically
correct. (Power To The People!)
cat

come complemento di una preposizione - e` vietato.
Probably he was referring to the Italian expression "io e te" (wrong as a
subject), which is more common
than "io e tu" (bleah, but right) or "tu ed io", which is right too and
sounds better.
Besides, it is not compulsory to put "tu" before "io" in Italian, unlike
English.
Bye Asoka xx'82
<< However fast you may run, you will never overreach the ball >>


There is a long thread on alt.usage.english about "Me or I"
in this and other contexts.
Raymot
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 It is me.                                         It is I.
They usually answer me in the "wrong" form! Who's cheating?
Sweety
Paolo

 ... would be quite acceptable in educated Australian English

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:Bambi, .mau. is the well known Usenet personality I was talking to you
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...
:
:Being a fanatical supporter of
:what you may call "slang", which I consider to be an important part of any
:language (e merita ogni rispetto), I include a list of the latest words in
:use taken from the article STOP BEING SUCH A DWEEB, "Woman's Own"  26
:Oct.1998. How many did you know, and would you really have wanted to?
:
:pants     =  rubbish, or an expression of annoyance
:lush       =  usually applied to good-looking boys
:boyf      =  short for boyfriend
:rare       =  really good, great
:safe       =  as above
:mingin   =  disgusting
:dweeb  =  uncool person
:solid     =  hard, difficult. Can be applied to homework  or a tough person
:talent    =  good-looking boys or girls
:
:
:Although Bambi knew this all along, I must admit, I was quite taken aback.
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Dear Caterina,
A Lush...one of many. Definitely an article needed
Bolly, as in champagne. Care to join me?
I remain as always,
Bambi
dtb
Caterina ha scritto
:(No article with "lush")
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