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Titolo: Bravi i traduttori

Guardavo Bicentennial Man in DVD e a un certo punto c'era un dialogo che
secondo me è stato tradotto molto bene.
Il Robot Robin Williams serve del pollo.
Il padre alla bambina :Do you like it darling ?
La bambina : It sucks !
Robin Williams : It sucks ? Chickens don't have lips !
Traduzione
Ti piace ?
E' una porcheria !
Porcheria ?
I porci non hanno le ali .Quello è pollo .
Sempre nello stesso film c'è però un gioco di parole per me incomprensibile
.
Si dice del robot : It might run amuck .
Il robot si difende : I'm not allowed to run mucks .
Prima di tutto io ho sempre scritto run amok mentre il sottotitolo era
proprio amuck.
Secondo To run mucks non so proprio cosa voglia dire.
Fino ad oggi pomeriggio per me muck era solo uno "sporco " verbo .
Non so come è stato tradotto perchè a un certo punto ne avevo le scatole
piene di navigare tra le lingue del DVD.
Voi ne sapete qualcosa amici ?
Colgo anche l'oocasione per salutarvi .
Tra un paio di settimane me vado nel Vermont e poi a New York City a vedermi
A. I . di Steven Spielberg.
Ma questo lo racconterò meglio ad un NG di cinema se mai decidessi di
sototscriverne uno .
Ciao
Sal

 Secondo To run mucks non so proprio cosa voglia dire.
Penso che non abbia senso. Č soltanto un gioco di parole a sentire la "a" a
distanza dalla parola "muck." Per esempio.
Si dice al robot : "I'm going to Petaluma." (the city in California)
Il robot risponde : "What's a luma?"
Ciao,
Ron
USA

Why Vermont ???
I mean you make a lot of sense  !!!
VERMONT IS THE QUAINTEST , MOST BEAUTIFUL SAFEST
PLACE ON EARTH ...
No fast foods , no discos , no buildings , 
no skyscrapers , no big cities , no crime at all !!!!
REMEMBER
you can't get vermont quintessence without
trip to Northeast Kingdom
CALEDONIA - ORLEANS - ESSEX
NEK is the wildest , completely untouched...
land where every corner is a farm or a rural villages.
That accounts for why Vermont
esp NEK , is the most rural state in U.S.
Don't forget : 
JAY PEAK
LAKE CHAMPLAIN
ISLE LA MOTTE
STOWE
ORANGE
BURKE MOUNTAIN....
SHELBURNE FARM
SAINT . JOHNSBURY
PLANETARIUM
HARDSCRABBLE
CRYSTAL LAKE
MANSFIELD..
as well as
FOLIAGE
ICE CREAM ...( organic Vermont skill uniqueness )
MAPLE SYRUP..
CHEESE ( esp CEDDHAR ) the most flavorful
cheese all over the world
YOGHURT...
DEER
and of course..
VERMONT'S THE STATE WITH HIGHEST
PERCENTAGES OF ARTISTS PER CAPITA..
FRED SWAN'S THE GREATEST ARTIST EVER..
I guess you'd miss...THE SOLAR FEST...you're out of lucky , anyhow
you'are gonna love Vermont...
the clear lakes , the green mountains , 
the fall colour , the quaint villages and farm ,
the antique shops , wagons and dog sleighs
the green valleys with the pastures , 
its untouched countryside , the forests
You're gonna sell yo Italian house..
and relocate there..
and you won't get back to Italy again !!!!!
I fell sick...
sorry for my gobbledygooks..al the way
in this post....
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 A. I . di Steven Spielberg.
Se ci sara` ancora. E` uscito da un paio di settimane almeno, e di
solito non li vedo durare molto i film nelle sale. Sono andato a vederlo
sabato scorso e sono uscito molto deluso. Non mi e` piaciuto per nulla. 
Ciao
-- 
Franco
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
(L. Wittgenstein)


me too


Anche io l'ho trovato stucchevole

Yep .
Vermont population 600.000
Northeast Kingdom ... population 2 per square miles
THE PARADISE !!!!!!
I used to get all kinda cheese all the way in Europe..
Bonne
Bouche
Impastata
Chevrrier
Fontina
Goaty
Feta
Mozzarella
Fraiche
Mascarpone
......
AND VERMONT'S DOES FIT THE BILL !!!!!!
Vermont mascarpone's tastier than Italy'
....
How are you aware about Vermont facts ?? Uh ??
Ever seen Vermont first hand ?? 
What county ?? Caledonia , Orange , Washington ??
I'm still badly feverish
I gotta getta something to pep me up !!!!!
You have no clue ?? Uh ??
Herbs....vitamins ???
What about you ??? 
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Or more in keeping with the original:
Si dice del robot:  "It might run off to Petaluma?"
Il robot si difende:  "I'm not allowed to pet lumas."
It reminds me of the story of the young boy who heard a story about
someone dying because they ate bamboo slivers.  He wondered what
sort of animal a bamboose might be with such a poisonous liver.
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 Il robot risponde : "What's a luma?"
But you need the puns of the verbs 'run' and 'pet' to make it work.

 But you need the puns of the verbs 'run' and 'pet' to make it work.
No Loki, the use of the verb "to run" is not necessary to illustrate that the
"a" in some words may be heard as the article "a." In this case one hears the
verb "to pet" before the article; that is, "I'm going to pet a luma." Without
wanting to overstate the case, you could say that it's sort of a running joke
for locals. Perhaps the fact that "luma" sounds a bit like "puma" has
contributed to the longevity of this rather lame play on words.
Ciao,
Ron
USA

No Loki, the use of the verb "to run" is not necessary to illustrate that the
"a" in some words may be heard as the article "a." In this case one hears the
verb "to pet" before the article; that is, "I'm going to pet a luma." Without
wanting to overstate the case, you could say that it's sort of a running joke
for locals. Perhaps the fact that "luma" sounds a bit like "puma" has
contributed to the longevity of this rather lame play on words.
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Ron , 
you wrote...
"In this case one hears the verb "to pet" before the article"
I'm aware you have no clue about ENGLISH LANGUAGE..
but try to figurate out what I'm gonna explain to you .
Si = Pronome 
Si lavano , si sente , si vede , si pensa , si dice....
ONE doesn't mean always surely  ( SI ) !!!! got it ??!!
ONE HEARS THE VERB ...does not make sense !!!!!!
Well...I'll elicidate your mind !!!!
ONE = Formal language
You can use "ONE" for the sayings..  AND SAYINGS ONLY
EXAMPLE : 
One should know one's limits
"Si" dovrebero conoscere propi limiti
YOU = general using
YOU CAN SEE THE SEA HERE
"SI" VEDE IL MARE QUI
YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU MIGHT NEED IT
NON "SI" SA QUANDO PUO ESSERE UTILE
THEY = THE PEOPLE , GROUPS
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT OSCARS ON TV
"SI" PARLA DEI OSCARS IN TELEVISIONE
THEY STUDY A LOT IN THAT SCHOOL 
"SI" STUDIA TANTO IN QUELA SCUOLA
WE = when you got to include yourself in the pictures
it's often used with POSSESSIVE FORM
WE STUDY A LOT IN MY SCHOOL
"SI" STUDIA TANTO NEL MIA SCUOLA
PASSIVE = as a general rule you've got to use that 
accustomed to accompany ( SAY , TELL , HOPE , MAKE , THINK , BELIEVE et cetera )
She is said to be a rascal
"SI" DICE CHE LEI SIA UNA PESTE
A way of life that was thought to be vanished in the 800's
MODO DI VIVERE CHE "SI" PENSAVA FOSSE SPARITO DA 1800
Good violins were made in Venice
"SI" COSTRUIVANO BUONI VIOLINO IN VENEZIA
you can't say : 
 
In this case one hears the verb "to pet" before the article;
you should have written..
IN THIS CASE THE VERB " TO PET " IS HEARD BEFORE THE ARTICLE
or , better yet : 
IN THIS CASE YOU CAN HEAR THE VERB "TO PET" BEFORE THE ARTICLE..
You're gonna hand the proof you're not American to us in a silver platter !!!!
It's not gonna lead you anywhere...just own up !!!
And try to acquire the skill from your mates.......
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 ONE HEARS THE VERB ...does not make sense !!!!!!
Of course it makes sense.  It makes perfect sense.  And in this particular
case, "one" would indeed translate to the Italian impersonal pronoun "si".
Got it????
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Of course it makes sense.  It makes perfect sense.  And in this particular
case, "one" would indeed translate to the Italian impersonal pronoun "si".
Got it????
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Nope , nope , nope !!!!!
Okay ??? I made myself clear ???!!!
I'm Italian-czech yet I've been living in Maine
for six years , in Aroostok..
And you never get me to buy this one !!!!!!!
"One" doesn't translate "SI" at all !!!!!!
Got it ?
ONE = Formal language
Just for the saying !!!!
YOU = SI !!!!
THEY = SI !!!
Would you like me to drag my former teacher into ???!!
Oh , speaking of wich....
I'm a teacher ..ENGLISH TEACHER ....okay ??
What kinda american are you ???!!!!
One ?? ONe ?? One ??? 
ARE YOU KIDDIN ME ????!!!!!!!
Give a break okay , 
I'm not gonna believe another word comes out
of your mouth !!!!!
By the sound of it , you gotta get back to da school !!
Who the hell does you think you are ????!!!!!
Suit Youself !!!
I spoke out , ONE doesn't mean SI at all !!!!!
and I can drag my former teacher into this topic.....
So , you children or illiterate better give up !!
Okay ??
Got it ?
I can't figure out you're siding with Ron !!!!
He's italian , he's a jester....
I can't believe that you'd buy his fairy tales....
You're so dammit gullable !!!!
I may be younger than you are 
but you sound like a tot !!!!
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First of all, I was not siding with Ron.  The purpose of my post was to
correct the inaccuracy of your post.  It may be that this style of
writing is one you have adopted just to irritate Ron, but if this post 
and the others I've read here from you are typical of your style of writing,
I can only say that your English is atrocious and you have no business 
whatsover of offering any advice to anyone concerning English usage.  You 
have managed to learn only enough to be dangerous.
You are obviously a troll, and this is the last time I will respond to
any of your posts, though I am sure you will continue to insult me and
will attempt to antagonize me into responding.  Forget it!  
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Dale Erwin

I'm a teacher ..ENGLISH TEACHER ....okay ??
ROTFLMAO