Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Come si pronuncia?

Ciao a tutti e scusate per la domanda stupida:
"ironic" si pronuncia "aironic" oppure "ironic" (so che la pronuncia non si
scrive proprio cosě, ma a me interessa solo se la "i" iniziale va letta "i"
o "ai". A proposito: c'č una regola per questo problema?)
GRAZIE
Daniele.

dicerei 
Airanic con l'accento su "an."
Sono da Chicago.  Parlo l'italiano tanto bene e ho 68 anni d'esperienza
in inglese all'americana.
Martin aka Martino

"ironic" si pronuncia "aironic" oppure "ironic" (so che la pronuncia non si
Va bene la prima
Francesco

...
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D'accordo, ma in Inghilterra "aironic" con l'accento su "on".
Stephen

 
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That's the way to pronounce it with an american accent yes ;-)  Down
here here it's " 'eye' ronic." as in 'mai'
We also don't have formice for zie. ;-)))))
Ant Loki

 Va bene la prima
i as in 'mai'. [m]"ai"ronic
Is that 'aironic' as an Italian would pronunce it? Because in English
I'd say it was like eye-ronic. Written as it was had me pronoucing it
"ere-ronic"
 It seems to me that saying how to pronunce a word it may be better to
look for examples in one's own language, then confusion is lessened..
(well, one can hope!)
cheers,
Loki

 different methods of phonetic transcription, which sometimes can be confusing.)
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In tutti le spiegazioni ci parliamo di "i" ai, eye etc. 
La diffocoltà per un italiano è "o" che dev'esser pronunciato coma "a" e
non come un "o" italiano.
C'è anche una difficoltà con "ic" dove "i" non si pronuncia come un "i"
italiano ma come la malattia di singhiosi di Pie XII in inglese "hiccups"
ironic = i, i long as in buy
         ron, o as an "a" short as in father with the accent here
         ic, i short as in tip or hiccup
Martin

 > vowel, because only one sound correponds to its graphic representation,
:-P 
Yep and science has shown English speakers's brains are busy
interpreting when they read as opposed to the doddle it is for italians.
I have been wondering if adult illiteracy is such a problem in Italy as
it appears to be for so many English speakers. 
Cheers,
Loki
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Ant Loki
ayether you got potahtoes? eether we got potaytoes.
you got tomahtoes? we got tomaytoes...la,la,la...
...letz call the whole thing off.
dove si mette i fiori?
...in a vayz, not a vahz?

 ...in a vayz, not a vahz?
My grandmother put it this way:
It's 'emroides for the rich
and piles for the poor.
But then, who would want to sound like an Englishman?
Martin
who in this one issue is a bit racist.

          ron, o as an "a" short as in father with the accent here
Dear Martin,
This will only apply if one wants to speak with an American accent.  In
fact I have a glossary that tries to explain how to pronounce Persian
but because it's pronouncing examples are based on the American accent
it is almost useless, since I don't speak American. ;-)
If I started saying "iranic" here, it would easily be mistaken for
talking about Iran "eerarn". This doesn't make it easy for learners of
English, but it may help them to realise they can choose the accent they
want.
:-)))
BTW My little Mondadori gives the phonetics for six "o's" and another
four  "o+vowels" so one can see how tough it can be sorting out English.
Anf that is without a regional difference.
cheers,
Loki
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 ...in a vayz, not a vahz?
Can't say  I've ever heard 'patahter' actually said except in that song.
;-)
All I can say about my accent is someone once accused me of being from
Philadelphia. I have no idea if that's anything like an
Aussie-Kiwi-Italianino accent. ;-)))
cheers,
Loki

o chi vorrebbe mangiare "marmite"...

 who in this one issue is a bit racist.
Ah but which English accent are you talking about?
but that's Ok mate, so am I on this issue ;-))))))
Long live the South(ern hemisphere) a.k.a Down under
Loki

 o chi vorrebbe mangiare "marmite"...
Dear Stefstef,
The undersigned is rather partial to Marmite any day (if however, not
recommended for consumption at the same time as partaking of a glass of
Bolly).
Loki can keep the Vegimite though. No offence, but it's for the birds.
In jest,
--
I remain, as always,
Bambi
dtb

 In jest,
Dear Bambi,
I much prefer curry paste on white bread for a quick fix.
Although I have been known to enjoy a thin smear of Vegemite on fresh
white bread with butter. One must pay homage to one's roots after all.
Cheers,
Loki

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Come si dice <yuck> in italiano. Con rispetto, preferirei mangiare tepido
macadam o catrame. puh! Ripetendome, <con rispetto>. E' realmente fascinante
che possiamo imparare piacere tanti tipi di cose quando siamo in nido... C'e un
tipo di cibo americano  the thought of which sends shivers  down your
spines?...(oltre che McDonalds, BurgerKing, Wendy's...).....a touch of curry
paste on toast does sounds quite nice. Perhaps I'll add as a compliment to my
huevos rancheros and diet coke. Oh and...pass the bangers please.

white bread with butter. One must pay homage to one's roots after all.
Buying bread from a man in Brussels
He was six foot four and full o' muscles
I said do you speaka ma language?
He just smiled and gave me a Vegemite sandwich
And he said, you come from a land down under
where women glow and men plunder
can you hear, can you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover
*sigh* one of my all-time fav's
Lurve,
-- 
Isa
Work like you don't need money,
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching
http://web.tiscalinet.it/alfabeto_auschwitz/

spines?...(oltre che McDonalds, BurgerKing, Wendy's...)
Hey! You snub :-)
I *Like* Those. Gimme a Wendy double cheeseburger with salad, tomato
and onions and a Diet Coke any time. Fries and ketchup on the side. 
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 and onions and a Diet Coke any time. Fries and ketchup on the side.
What's wrong with "Two pints of larger and a packet of crisps, *please!*"
A throwback to the days when one lived in England and can now remember a
British television commercial .
(These words, uttered by a yobbo in the King's Arms....)
Good ad, only I fail to remember exactly what it was selling....the larger
or the crisps and in either case, certainly the brand of either has been
drowned in the misty recesses of time.
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 *please!*"
Lager has obviously affecting your spelling.. ;-) Eat more chips
(crisps)
Cheers, Loki

 (crisps)
Dear Loki,
No sweetie, I must insist: Bolly or die.(But I wouldn't say no to a packet
of crisps of the salt'n'vinegar variety).
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