Newsgroup: it.arti.fotografia
Titolo: New Air-Photo Evidence on Auschwitz?

From Germar Rudolf
 
I think it was in the late nineties that a small news item in England
mentioned that many million air photos of WWII taken by the Royal
British Air Force (and also some photos by the German Luftwaffe
confiscated after the war by the British) were hidden in an Archive of
Keele University. Nobody else seemed to pay a lot of attention to this
news item. At that time I lived in England, and at one of my meetings
with my revisionist friend Jeff Roberts, we discussed this topic.
(Roberts is the creator of Carlos W. Porter's website
http://www.cwporter.com
). We agreed that it was necessary to get
access to this archive in the hope of finding more air photo evidence
regarding alleged crime locations of the Holocaust.
Jeff subsequently traveled many times to Keele University. He found
the air photos in total disorder, its archive threatened to be
dissolved due to lack of funds. After many visits, many hours of
talking to the people in charge, he finally managed to get a project
started to organize these air photos, in which he selflessly assisted,
and he even indicated to me some two years ago that he appears to have
success in convincing Keele University to make those photos publicly
accessible by offering them on the internet.
Last week, the international media have announce that Keele University
has now indeed opened a website offering access to some of its air
photos, accessible at 
http://www.evidenceincamera.co.uk/
. Due to the
massive public attention, however, requests have been so huge that the
bandwidth used exceeded the allotted amount, resulting in the site
being taken down temporarily.
 
As usual, the media hype generated around this "discovery" -- a
discovery made possible because of the selfless efforts of just one
almost unknown revisionist -- is filled with the usual lies. The
German news magazine "Spiegel", for example, headlined on Jan 19, 2004
"Five Million Pictures of Horror" and quoted the British news Agency
Reuters:
"Burning Corpses in the concentration camp [...] concentration camp
Auschwitz on August 23, 1944: white clouds of smoke from burning
corpses. [...] One of the photos shows the concentration camp of
Auschwitz at the climax of extermination madness. On this pictures, a
white cloud rolls over the country. According to the National Archive,
it stems from a mass grave and not from the chimney of a crematorium.
In 1943 and 1944, some 430,000 Hungarian Jews were murdered in
Auschwitz -- too many to be cremated in the cremation ovens of the
extermination camp. [...] 'The pictures moved my very much", says
Allan Williams of the British Aerial Reconnaissance Archives at Keele
University. "To my knowledge no other reconnaissance photos of
Auschwitz of that time exist.'"
 
That is of course wrong, since the U.S. published some of the photos
of that camp, taken by U.S. and Canadian air planes, back in 1979[1],
and John C. Ball published his analysis of many air photos of the U.S.
National Archives relating to alleged Holocaust crimes scenes back in
1992.[2]
 
From this series of newly released British photos, one copy found
particular attention: a photo of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp of Aug.
23,1944 (see below and the mentioned "Spiegel" article). It shows
smoke coming from an small area north of crematorium V, that is, from
the same area where a little smoke is also seen on a photo of May 31,
1944, as it was published and analyzed by Ball.
But before claiming "This is the proof for the gas chambers, for the
extermination, for mass murder, for the Holocaust!", I may remind the
reader that this picture shows smoke coming from an area measuring
perhaps some 100 square meters or less. According to witness claims
and to the established version of the 'Holocaust', however, the pits
in which ten thousand of Jews were allegedly incinerated were located
outside of the camp immediate perimeter, close to the so-called
Bunkers, and they would have covered an area of many ten thousand
square meters, if the really would have been able to incinerate that
many bodies. In addition to this, we would have to expect not only to
see smoke in this pictures, but also other obvious traces of: pits,
mounds of excavated earth, piles of woods as fuel, a wide area around
these items marked by massive human activity (i.e., transporting of
corpses, fuel, ashes, etc.), leading to the destruction of the
vegetation in this area.
Nothing of this can be seen on this or other photos taken between May
and September 1944.
 
Though this one photo of the Royal Air Force shows that a moderate
size fire burned north of crematorium V on August 23, 1944, it does
not show exactly what burned in this fire. But this photo clearly
refutes claims of mass extermination with subsequent mass incineration
in huge pits.
 
Germar Rudolf
relates to:
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,druck-282533,00..html
footnotes:
[1] D.A. Brugioni, R.G. Poirer, The Holocaust Revisited: A
Retrospective Analysis of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Extermination
Complex.  U.S. Department of Commerce. National Technical Information
Service, Springfield 1979.
[2] J.C. Ball, Air Photo Evidence. Auschwitz, Treblinka, Majdanek,
Sobibor, Bergen Belsen, Belzec, Babi Yar, Katyn Forest.  Ball Resource
Services Limited, Delta, B.C. Canada, 1992. Online:
http://www.air-photo.com
; see also an updated summary in Germar Rudolf
(ed.), Dissecting the Holocaust, 2nd edition, Theses & Dissertations
Press, Chicago, IL, 2003, pp. 269-282 (
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
)

 From Germar Rudolf
Enough said right there.
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 vegetation in this area.
Mr. Rudolf apparently thinks large amounts of smoke rise in such a
fashion as to not obscure the general area.
I'm not sure Rudolf will take kindly to your posting of his little
article, Mr. Bartels. He's not used to having his lies refuted on a
newsgroup, which is why people of his ilk stay away.
-- 
Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even
supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be
content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to
acquire it."
Samuel Johnson

 newsgroup, which is why people of his ilk stay away.
### No, I rather suppose Mr Rudolf and others are displeased by the
idea of wasting there precious time with people, who try to defend a
myth by rhetorical exercises, ad-hominem-attacks, interpreting
nonsense into documents, phony-expertise, could-be-arguments and other
junk. As a matter of fact you did not 'refute' anything as you claim.
Fact is one CANNOT see on the photo in question that corpses are(or
have been) burnt in pits. The only thing one can conclude from the
photo is that there is a fire producing smoke in the north-western
part of the camp area. Claiming otherwise (like you are trying to do,
Mr. Mathews) is fraudulently misleading the public. But after all,
isn't that what the Holocaust apostles are engaged in most of the
time...?
GB
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 Nice try Mr Mathews!
Do us a favour Mr. Wanker and get lost.  You revisionist claptrap is off
topic for soc.history.what-if.
tim gueguen 101867

 tim gueguen 101867

 I do not see it like that.
Read the FAQ.  Your original post is off topic.  Furthermore we have no need
of yet another racist idiot in this newsgroup.  After all to believe that
the Holocaust did not happen despite the overwhelming evidence means one is
an idiot.
tim gueguen 101867

 this is a well known fake!
Well known by whom, a few crackpot deniers who blur the photo and then
make totally unsupported claims about it!!!
The photo is real and has been accepted by historians.
As we can see, Mr. Rudolf will not be happy that Mr. Bartels has
exposed him to such deserved ridicule.
But then, Bartels appears to be someone who is used to riducule!
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 The photo is real and has been accepted by historians.
### This says more about the quality(or lack of it) of those
historians then says about the quality of the picture!
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 > But then, Bartels appears to be someone who is used to riducule!
As we can see!
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This is the aircraft that took the photos:
http://www.first-to-fly.com/Program%20Images/Movie%20Stuff/02%20on%20hillock%20s.jpg

 "Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor;
And the above rantings prove you are no exception, you fool!
Although I hesitate to place you in the 'mankind' category.

 tim gueguen 101867
What group do you refer to, Timmy?
You, youngster, are the idiot.
The post originated in alt.revisionism and is therefore spot ON TOPIC.
Unfortunatly it has become the habit of exterminationists, such as
yourself, to cross post, in an attempt to make alt.revisionism almost
unreadable due to sea of vomit from idiots like you, that one must
wade through.

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And your reason for crossposting is ... ??
-- 
The Revanchist
'Revenge is mine' saith the Lord, 'so, let's talk franchising.'
TLC (tinlc)(tm) #2002, F6C, GSF1200S, BgR, Pr.Int., BKfiPv
revanchist [at] she [.] com

 yourself, to cross post,
No, its been the habit of racist weirdos to cross post into
soc.history.what-if.  I merely reply to such posts, and in this case told
the original wanker (You, using a different name?) to sod off.
Its especially amusing you'd revive a thread that has had no activity for
several weeks, merely to behave like a moron.
tim gueguen 101867

 
This would appear more convincing than photos taken from the air.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/hoesstest.html
The Nazis went to great lengths to keep the exterminations a secret.
I'm sure they knew that reconaissance aircraft were flying overhead.
After D-Day in 1944, the Allies had complete control of the air over
Europe. The Nazis moved much of their war plants underground to avoid
bombers.

 Let us know when you intend to refute these 'lies', Philthy?
Already done, moron.
Come back when you've actually acquainted yourself with the history.
Otherwise your hysterical giggling and laughing might attract the
attention of the boys in white coats.
-- 
Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even
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ROTFLMFAO.... Yeah, I am also Jimmy Hoffa, Jack The Ripper and the Sundance Kid.
Keep playing with it and you will go blind, youngster.

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This is a photo of the aircraft Germar took pictures from:
http://www.balloonzone.com/foto2.html