Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.inglese
Titolo: Dinner o Diner ?

Salve,
Ho il seguento atroce dubbio ..
si dice, parlando di un locale,
"Locale PIPPO music & diner",
oppure
"Locale PIPPO music & dinner" ?!?
.... che differenza c'è tra dinner e diner ?
sono giusti entrambi ? in quali casi uno e quali l'altro ?
Thanks ! 

 .... che differenza c'è tra dinner e diner ?
A parte una enne, il primo è un piccolo ristorante, una tavola calda, 
mentre il secondo significa "cena", o "pranzo".
Speaking of "dinner", I'm hungry. No, seriously, how does usage differ 
between Britain and the US? I, for one, take "dinner" to mean "cena" 
("supper", except In Italy most people have a larger meal at lunch) most 
of the time, but is that really the case? How's one supposed to tell?
Ciao, FB


I never use "supper", always "dinner", for the main meal of the day,
the evening meal. In my usage, dinner is the evening meal, except on
Sundays and holidays or other festive occasions, when guests come
early and the main meal is in the afternoon.
Joe from Massachusetts

 of the time, but is that really the case? How's one supposed to tell?
There are regional variations in the US, but on the whole people use 
'dinner' and 'supper' for 'cena'. Supposedly, 'dinner' is the large meal of 
the day and thus can be 'pranzo' while 'supper' is always an evening meal. I 
have heard some Southerners in the US, and some elderly people still use 
'dinner' to refer to 'lunch', but I believe that usage is diminishing. I'm 
not familiar enough with the subtleties of British usage to comment. Oh 
Hell, why not? Other people do... I think there are regional and class 
distinctions on usage also in Britain, but the usage is similar in that 
'supper' is the last meal of the day and may follow 'tea', a meal taken in 
the late afternoon, early evening. 

 early and the main meal is in the afternoon.
How do you call a late evening smaller meal, after the main meal?
"Supper"?

 In Italy most people have a larger meal at lunch
Dunno if that can still be said about "most" Italians. More and more
people today have a smaller meal at lunch than they used to in the
past...

 people today have a smaller meal at lunch
People working 9-17 possibly do so. But a teacher, or a physician, for
example, generally  have a normal lunch, maybe later than 14:00, then a
smaller (often cold) supper about 20.30-21 or more.
In northern Italy this timetable should be quite different.
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.... ehmmm ...
ringrazio per l'interessamento e la voglia di aiutarmi .... ma ...
purtroppo per capire le vostre risposte, dovrei inviare
altrettante richieste per farmele tradurre e spiegare :-) ihihihih
pertanto, qualche buona anima pia puņ spiegarmelo in
* italiano * la differenza tra DINER e DINNER ?
quando si usa uno, quando l'altro ? si possono usare
entrambi come "nome" di un locale ?
Moffetta Music & Diner ...
Moffetta Music & Dinner ...
?!?
_____
Gi' 

 early and the main meal is in the afternoon.
Don't you happen to use "lunch" at all?
In English, I always use "lunch" for 'pranzo' and "dinner" for 'cena'
and people seem to understand me, even if they'd use "dinner" when asked
about meals.
It always sounds weird to me when someone uses "dinner" for 'pranzo',
also because for many of us (Italians) the main meal of the day is at
noon, not in the evening, and we would never call it "cena".
So there's a difference in the fact that meal names in Italian depend on
what time of the day they are eaten, regardless of their size.
Ciao,
 Luigi

 and we would never call it "cena".
No, I wouldn't, either.
Bye, FB

 Moffetta Music & Dinner ... Moffetta musica e pranzo/cena
Sarei curiosa di sapere perchè diavolo affibbiare un nome inglese ad un 
ristorante italiano, usando tra l'altro una terminologia che non può 
avere perfetta corrispondenza nelle due lingue.
Tabhall

 what time of the day they are eaten, regardless of their size.
When I was in Italy and eating exclusively in Italian establishments,
my main meal was always in the evening.
Dinner here is normally in the evening, after 6 pm when everyone gets
home from work, but on Sundays and holidays, because guests often have
to travel, dinner is in the late afternoon, around 3 or 5pm.
Joe from Massachusetts

 .... che differenza c'è tra dinner e diner ?
Questo fai prima a chiederlo a un dizionario...
http://snurl.com/DizioInglese

 Not for me.
Infact, I said "for many of us". I know this tradition is slightly
changing, especially in Northern Italy, but here in the south we still
prefer to have the heaviest meal at noon (we say "noon" even if it's
1.30 pm or later), especially in small towns where we can still go back
home from work for lunch.
Ciao,
 Luigi


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"dinner" is the main meal of the day, and can be at lunch time, or in
the evening.
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I live near Worcester, Massachusetts, which was the home of the
"Worcester Lunch Car Company" during the first half of the last
century. The company manufactured many "classic" diners, built in a
form which suggests the shape of a railroad car. The long narrow shape
was necessary because the diners were built in the factory and
equipped with kitchen equipment and furniture, and then transported
to their permanent locations. Only a narrow building could be
transported by road. Many classic diners still exist, one of which is
the "Miss Worcester Diner", built in 1948. It was closed for a while,
but has since reopened, with a Mexican menu. It is a tiny place in
downtown Worcester, and is located near the building which once
housed the "Worcester Lunch Car Company".
These pictures show the exterior and interior of the diner.
http://www.agilitynut.com/diners/3.html
The name "diner" was adopted by manufacturers of these structures to
suggest the mystique of the railroad dining car, but the menus are
quite different.
In dining cars here in the US, all the tables have white tablecloths,
the waiters and waitresses are impeccably uniformed, and the menu is
very limited, although of good quality.
American trains have few dining cars, usually only on very long trips,
such as from Chicago to Seattlle. Most short-run trains, such as those
on the route from Boston to Washington, D.C.,  have only
cafeteria-style dining, mostly sandwiches.
Diners have a much  more varied menu than do railroad dining cars,
although the food in small diners is more simply prepared.
"Modern" diners are much larger than the "classic" diners, because
they are built on location, and don't have to be transported from a
factory. Many people, particularly in the New York area, call these
large modern diners "Greek" diners, because many of them are owned by
Greek families, and these diners have a much more varied menu than the
"classic" diners. The menus include Greek "pastitsio", Italian-style
pasta dishes, lamb and rice dishes, beef, pork and fish dishes, in
addition to the standard hamburgers and breakfast items associated
with American fast food. Most of these modern diners serve alcoholic
beverages and are open 24 hours a day. Although they call themselves
"diners", they are quite different from the "classic" diners.
An example of a "modern" diner is the Market Diner, built in 1964,
located in Midtown Manhattan. Notice the limousines in the parking
lot, the espresso and cappuccino signs, and the upscale interior.
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID140.htm
Joe from Massachusetts

 form which suggests the shape of a railroad car.
I'm familiar with this phenomenon and even the widespread belief that
'diners' derived specifically from the conversion of railroad dining cars to
roadside restaurants, when in fact only a relatively small number had their
origins on rail. Even though diners come in varied shapes, styles, and
sizes, and it is the type of food that really determines that a diner is a
diner (some look like mediterranean villas rather than railroad dining
cars), you are right to point out that the food on railroad dining cars may
be different. A better way to differentiate the diner from other restaurants
would be to say that it is a small, casual, roadside restaurant that serves
a particular style of American food and that style differs from region to
region in the US, depending on the local tastes. Of course, I've been to
some diners that have cloth tablecloths and napkins and offer food on par
with fine restaurants, so I think I'll just leave it at that and not 
contribute to the bemusement of any more foreign diners dining at diners in 
the US.