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Arsenal: team of the century 1900-1999
How consistency and caution made Arsenal England's greatest team of the 20th
century
Three outstanding managers put the Gunners above Liverpool and Manchester
United in the biggest league table of all.
Guy Hodgson. The Independent, January 1999
This will have eyebrows rocketing upwards on anyone who was attracted to
football for the first time in the 1990s: the English club of the last 100
years has nothing to do with Jack Rowley, Bobby Charlton, or David Beckham.
Manchester United may have been the team of three decades but the 20th
century title belongs elsewhere.
Boring Arsenal? Lucky Arsenal? The statistics would suggest Successful
Arsenal is a more appropriate and kindly description. Liverpool may have won
more championships, but in terms of consistency, of riding out the rough
years, the London club that began as Dial Square on a pitch with an open
sewer running by it come up smelling sweeter than anyone. "When I played for
Arsenal," Ted Drake, their prolific centre-forward of the 1930s, recalled,
"the saying was 'what we have we hold'." It is a sentiment underpinning a
solidity which has endured for nearly all the 100 years.
Judged by their finishing positions, Arsenal's average in England's top
division is 8.5, which pips Liverpool's 8.7, while Old Trafford's near
monopoly of honours in recent times has merely dragged Manchester United to
fourth with 10.9. Surprisingly, to anyone who has closely followed the
modern trials at Goodison Park, Everton are the century's third best club
with a score of 10.6.
Arsenal's place at the top of the table has plenty to do with Arsčne Wenger
and George Graham, who won titles in the 80s and 90s, but they themselves
would bow to Herbert Chapman who, arguably, surpasses even Bob Paisley and
Matt Busby as the manager of the century.
In 1925 Arsenal's chief notoriety had been achieved by their scandalous
inclusion in the post-Great War First Division at the expense of Tottenham
Hotspur, thus becoming the only club to be promoted for reasons other than
playing merit. Even then they were an undistinguished and perpetually broke
institution whose advertisement for a new secretary-manager in the Athletic
News read: "Only people who will not spend big money on transfer fees need
apply".
For some reason this less-than-succulent morsel attracted Chapman, who had
just guided Huddersfield Town to two of their three successive championships
and, after the starter of the 1930 FA Cup, his team of Alex James, Cliff
Bastin, David Jack and Ted Drake etc consumed five titles in seven years.
The Marble Halls, the allure of Highbury, a repute as England's premier club
all stemmed from the period made more glittering by its backcloth of the
Depression and the countdown to the Second World War.
Equally importantly in terms of their position as the club of the century,
Arsenal's glory days were not followed by the anti-climax of relegation and
their 80 successive years in the top division edge them ahead of Liverpool,
whose 18 championships are undermined by two spells in the Second Division,
the latter for eight seasons between 1954 and 1962.
Manchester United (12 titles) and Everton (eight), too, have had their years
in the shadows while the other members of the top 10 - Aston Villa (two),
Tottenham (two), Newcastle (four), Manchester City (two), Chelsea (one) and
Sunderland (three) - have interspersed their successes with occasional
visits to the lower orders of the Football League.
In a system which penalises relegation (Sunderland's First Division
Championship last season gave them a finishing position only of 21st, for
example) these lapses prove costly although it is also interesting how
success has a lingering effect. Burnley, champions in 1921 and 1960, are
27th, Portsmouth, also two titles, are 30th.
The two Sheffield clubs, with seven titles between them, are both in the top
20 which makes their current plights even less bearable and underlines why
local opinion would oppose a merger. Heritage and history are never easily
shared.
Further down there are names that read like fading inscriptions on
tombstones. Bradford Park Avenue are 53rd, ahead of last week's FA Cup
giant-killers Wrexham and Tranmere, while New Brighton, who once had a
ground that incorporated a tower to rival Blackpool's tourist attraction,
are 70th and Accrington Stanley 73rd. The doleful list of clubs who no
longer exist includes Gateshead (57th), who were voted into oblivion in 1960
after their first application for re-election since 1937. Theirs was
possibly the most unjust rejection in Football League history.
Peterborough, who replaced Gateshead, have inched only to 86th of the 99
clubs who make the 20-season qualification, but newness does not necessarily
mean lowliness. Wimbledon, who were elected in 1977, are 28th and Ipswich
are 25th despite not joining the League until the season before the Second
World War. Both have had to overcome the built-in handicap of having to rise
through four divisions.
On a decade-by-decade basis some statistics are so remarkable they look like
errors. Manchester United's average position in the 90s is 1.9, which means
they have been first so often the lesser years cannot even drag them down to
an average of second. Astonishing, except that the figure was equalled by
Liverpool in the 70s and even surpassed with 1.7 in the 80s. That is a lot
of win bonuses.
Lancashire has been predominant since the war as the old county boundaries
have encompassed the team of the decade on each occasion, Manchester United
taking the honours in the 40s (despite failing to win a championship), 50s
and 90s, Liverpool in the 70s and 80s and Everton in the 60s. The north-east
had its heyday at the turn of the century and Herbert Chapman's teams
dominated the inter-war years.
But the tables also chronicle the accelerating trend of strength being drawn
to the bright lights of the big cities. In the 50s Burnley, Blackpool,
Bolton and Preston finished in the top 10 while even as recently as the 80s
the most successful dozen included Norwich and Luton.
The rich variety those clubs brought is slowly dying thanks to the
concentration of television money and playing resources towards a dwindling
number. The seven most successful clubs of the 90s are arguably also the
richest and there is no reason to believe that the team of the next decade
will come from outside their ranks.
I'm looking for the stats that went with this article. I think I've got a
print-out somewhere but if you happen to have it please get in touch. It
appears to have been deleted from the Independent website but rest assured
that, like everything else on this site, once we get hold of it it'll never
be deleted.
Still no sign of the overall table, but Tom Chipchase found the
decade-by-decade stats....
1900-1910 1Newcastle4.2
2Villa5.7
3Everton6.3
4Sheff Wed6.5
5Sunderland6.8
6Sheff Utd6.8
7Liverpool9.5
8Blackburn9.9
9Man City11.8
10Bury11.9
11Forest12.1
12Notts Cty13.8
1910-1919 1Sunderland5.3
2Villa5.7
3Blackburn7.0
4Everton9.0
5Oldham9.5
6W. Brom9.5
7Newcastle9.8
8Sheff Wed10.2
9Man Utd10.3
10Bradford10.5
11Man City10.5
12Bolton10.5
(6 seasons due to WWI) 1920-1929 1Huddersfld6.7
2Sunderland7.0
3Liverpool7.1
4Villa7.3
5Bolton7.7
6Newcastle8.0
7Sheff Utd11.7
8Blackburn11.9
9Man City12.1
10Arsenal12.2
11Everton12.8
12Cardiff13.8
1930-1939 1Arsenal2.3
2Derby7.0
3Sunderland8.6
4Huddersfield9.4
5Portsmouth11.1
6Everton11.7
7Man City11.7
8Boro12.0
9Liverpool13.0
10Villa13.6
11Chelsea13.8
12Wolves13.9
(9 seasons due to WWII) 1940-1950 1Man Utd2.5
2Wolves4.0
3Portsmouth5.5
4Arsenal6.2
5Derby8.0
6Liverpool8.0
7Villa9.0
8Blackpool9.2
9Sunderland10.0
10Stoke12.2
11Burnley13.0
12Middlesbrough13.8
(4 seasons due to WWII) 1950-1959 1Man Utd4.0
2Wolves4.9
3Arsenal6.8
4Burnley7.5
5Blackpool7.6
6Spurs8.9
7W. Brom8.9
8Bolton9.2
9Preston10.2
10Newcastle11.7
11Chelsea13.8
12Villa13.9
1960-1969 1Everton4.3
2Spurs5.1
3Man Utd7.0
4Liverpool8.0
5Burnley8.9
6Chelsea9.4
7Arsenal9.5
8W. Brom11.0
9Sheff Wed11.3
10Forest12.4
11W. Ham12.4
12Leicester12.7
1970-1979 1Liverpool1.9
2Leeds5.7
3Arsenal7.5
4Ipswich7.9
5Derby9.2
6Man City9.4
7Everton10.3
8Man Utd10.8
9Wolves12.4
10Spurs12.8
11Coventry14.2
12Stoke16.0
1980-1989 1Liverpool1.7
2Arsenal5.3
3Everton5.9
4Man Utd6.3
5Spurs6.4
6Forest6.7
7Soton9.0
8Villa11.8
9Coventry14.2
10W. Ham14.5
11Norwich14.9
12Luton15.5
  1990-1999 1Man Utd1.9
2Arsenal4.5
3Liverpool4.8
4Leeds6.6
5Villa9.1
6Chelsea9.3
7Spurs10.5
8Wimbledon11.3
9Sheff Wed12.3
10Everton13.0
11W. Ham14.1
12Coventry14.7

Arsenal: team of the century 1900-1999
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> Arsenal: team of the century 1900-1999
1955-56 Real Madrid (Spa)
1956-57 Real Madrid (Spa)
1957-58 Real Madrid (Spa)
1958-59 Real Madrid (Spa)
1959-60 Real Madrid (Spa)
1960-61 Benfica (Por)
1961-62 Benfica (Por)
1962-63 MILAN (ITA)
1963-64 INTER (ITA)
1964-65 INTER (ITA)
1965-66 Real Madrid (Spa)
1966-67 Celtic Glasgow (Sco)
1967-68 Manchester United (Ing)
1968-69 MILAN (ITA)
1969-70 Feyenoord (Ola)
1970-71 Ajax (Ola)
1971-72 Ajax (Ola)
1972-73 Ajax (Ola)
1973-74 Bayern München (Ger. O.)
1974-75 Bayern München (Ger. O.)
1975-76 Bayern München (Ger. O.)
1976-77 Liverpool (Ing)
1977-78 Liverpool (Ing)
1978-79 Nottingham Forest (Ing)
1979-80 Nottingham Forest (Ing)
1980-81 Liverpool (Ing)
1981-82 Aston Villa (Ing)
1982-83 Hamburger SV (Ger. O.)
1983-84 Liverpool (Ing)
1984-85 JUVENTUS (ITA)
1985-86 Steaua Bucaresti (Rom)
1986-87 Porto (Por)
1987-88 PSV Eindhoven (Ola)
1988-89 MILAN (ITA)
1989-90 MILAN (ITA)
1990-91 Crvena Zvezda (Jug)
1991-92 Barcelona (Spa)
1992-93 Olympique Marseille (Fra)
1993-94 MILAN (ITA)
1994-95 Ajax (Ola)
1995-96 JUVENTUS (ITA)
1996-97 Borussia Dortmund (Ger)
1997-98 Real Madrid (Spa)
1998-99 Manchester United (Ing)
1999-00 Real Madrid (Spa)
2000-01 Bayern München (Ger)
Spiacente, non leggo "Arsenal"...

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 Scusalo Switters, lui no parlaro inglesi ;)
Immaginavo, solo che mi faceva fatica (oh, dopotutto e' IT.soprt.calcio)...
ad ogni modo si leggono molti nomi di squadre inglesi...
ma di nuovo non leggo Arsenal
Cosi' va meglio? :-D


frocio


Limitatamente solo confinato nell'Isola...Beninteso eh?
For those about Milan, we salute you.

 Arsenal: team of the century 1900-1999
Switters, sai meglio di me che queste cose contanto poco...cmq è bello che
altri ti considerino il migliore, senza dubbio :)
Franco

For those about Milan, we salute you.
AC DC!!!
"Winnipeg" <sun...@boulevard.13> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:b0uc0e$9ch$1...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it...
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Affermativo! anche se il tema era un altro. Cmq MITICI. Ciao


Sì, vabbe', ma solo tra le squadra inglesi.
E sai che ce ne fotte.
Ah... l'Helsingborg è la squadra del secolo in Svezia, cazzo.