Newsgroup: it.fan.marco-ditri
Titolo: [BLOG] Is Debian still fun? (2004-08-24)

(#53) Is Debian still fun?
Short summary: #255324[0] was reported against my package inn2[1]. Some
people think it's a bug, some don't. Being myself in the second camp, I
closed it. Some people did not agree with this, and much silliness
ensued.
I fear that it is not obvious to all parts involved that the issue has
never been adding a one-line patch for a commented configuration
directive in an obscure config file, but the principle of maintainers
being allowed to decide if something reported against their packages is
a bug or not.
Yesterday, I discussed this on IRC with some other developers. While
many have been civil, some have repeatedly insulted me because of a
technical disagreement. People who have been in the project for long
enough that they really should know better.
After this, I decided to stop trying to close the bug and for the time
being keep it open and tagged wontfix. I hope that the people involved
in the BTS harassment now feel that this fight was worth it. It was for
me, because in the process I have learned a few things.
First, that some developers think that in the case of a technical
disagreement the correct process is to play the BTS game and recourse
to mobbing instead of asking the Technical Committee for a decision, as
established in our Constitution.
Second, that the Debian community may not be a fun place anymore. I
suppose that this has to be expected when a prominent developer keeps
referring to people who do not share his position of DFSG-revisionism
as "warez traders", but it is still sad to acknowledge.
[0] 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=255324
[1] 
http://packages.debian.org/inn2
Posted at 17:20:52. [
http://blog.bofh.it/id_53
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 (#53) Is Debian still fun?
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Non so se e' ancora divertente per chi c'e' dentro. Io comunque dal di fuori 
mi sono divertito parecchio a leggere la discussione :)
p.s. non sono uno sviluppatore di Debian e sicuramente non ho l'ardire di 
dare consigli su come comportarsi al "grande" Marco D'itri.. pero', se posso 
esprimere la mia opinione che vale meno di zero ...
" In this case, without the provided patch, if the example is merely 
uncommented, we have a broken configuration. The patch allows one to 
uncomment the lines, and it shall work out of the box for a default debian 
installation.
	This is a quality of implementation issue. We should not ship broken 
examples when it is so easy to ship fixed examples. Indeed, unless there are 
special circumstances, users should not have to modify anything.
         Shipping examples that must be edited to work, when it is simple to 
ship working examples, is a minor bug."
....penso che non abbia tutti i torti, soprattutto vista dagli occhi di un 
utente piu' "lamer" e meno "geek" della media di questo NG. Avere degli 
esempi gia' funzionanti in caso di installazioni di default fa molto piacere 
agli utenti meno skillati, come me.
-- 
ciao
SdS

uncommented, we have a broken configuration. The patch allows one to 
La questione è molto più complicata di così, non è del tutto ovvio che
sia un bug e ci sono configurazioni desiderabili in cui quei valori
sono validi.
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