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Titolo: Does anyone here in the group think that Denmark vs Sweden was an arranged match?

Ciao gruppo,
Sorry for speaking english in an Italian group, but it's all I can write.
There have been rumours in Italian press, that the DK-S match should have
been "fixed".
The opinion in Denmark (and propably in Sweden as well) is that it's
completely insane and utter nonsense, and noone can take it serious at all.
However, I do somehow fear a little that some (hopefully just few) Italians
take their newspaper more seriously than we do, so I just wanna ask, if any
football supporters here that have seen the match, really think it was an
arranged match, or if it was fair game.
Best regards
Adrian from Denmark

 Adrian from Denmark
do tou want to smoke hashish ??

, Adrian Hjelmslund 
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Yes.

 arranged match, or if it was fair game.
I win 4500 Euro.
How?
I bet for Swe-Dan 2-2.
Ciao
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Ciao gruppo,
We didn't deserve to go on.

, Eos says...
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I agree.

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Uhmm, I cannot say that some team deserved it more than others, because it
was as close as it could be. 3 teams, all with 5 points are very unusual
after all.
My point is not about fair or not, or acceptable or not, but cut into the
bone:  Did the 2 teams played their chances to win, or have they agreed
about a result.
It's strange, Italian players are 10 times better than danes and swedes, but
on a team, it doesn't work that well.
As I see it, Italy is more concerned about not receiving any goals, than
they care about scoring. With some of the best forwards in the world, I
really don't understand why you dont play more offensive.

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I guess you are dissapointed and cannot talk sense anymore. Sorry if you
feel like that.
Adrian

 Adrian from Denmark
Bye.
John

 NB
Congrats :o)
In the moment the match was 1-1, we were in a situation where we HAD to make
a goal more. Wether Sweden scored or not, didn't really mattered. Obviously
we played offensive, and gave a shit about defensive, and the 2-1 became a
natural consequence.
Being in a 2-1 lead, we would be the winner of the group, and would have NO
INTERREST in letting the Swedes at 2-2, so they became winners. Was just bad
luck.
Adrian

on a team, it doesn't work that well.
Once i've been proud of my team. But it was 1982 and i was 22 years
old. Now i'm almost 44...

 arranged match
Yes, absolutely. 
Not only the Italians think so. I'm a soccer fan from Germany and I've
seen the match on ZDF. It's clearly in odor of fixing (or "biscuit", as
it's called in Italy). Beckenbauer and other Gerrman experts have
expressed the same opinion.
Sorry, but the whole world will blame Denmark and Sweden from now on for
what they've done. As you've said, Italy has the best players. Euro 2004
is no more interesting without the Italian team.
Take care.
With sympathy,
Peter P. 
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I  saw most of the match Italy-Bulgaria on ZDF but  ZDF showed also pieces
of the match Sweden-Denmark and I also heard Beckenbauer speak.
 I thought that it was good to hear the
opinion of people who were not as much emotionally involved in the games
Sweden-Denmark and Italy-Bulgaria as Italian ( I
am Italian myself) Danish and Swedish people were.
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   Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
 
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Adrian from Denmark
Yes, it's insane. All italians are bad losers. They can suck my 
cannelloni.

 cannelloni.
Va bene. Giů con i pantaloni!
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but on a team, it doesn't work that well.
True. It only worked with Mussolini and with Paolo Rossi doped.

old. Now i'm almost 44...
So, you'll certainly be dead before Italia wins anything.

luck.
True. Why would you want to play against Czech Republic ?

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PWWWAAAAAAHHHHHH, We want it out, we don't believe it!
(BWWAAAAAAAHHHH) (Cretino, (n'antro))

 True. It only worked with Mussolini and with Paolo Rossi doped.
Are you charging Paolo Rossi to have been doped?
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I'am touching family jewelry   :O@

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Never call that name. We're still ashamed.

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The WINNERS.And so!

Are you charging Paolo Rossi to have been doped?
All brazilians do.

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Which one ?

 Not only the Italians think so
Well, I think that it's not easy to decide wheter the result of the
Swe-Den match was arranged beforehand: both country are well known for
their sportmanship, but both the penalty (1' into the second half) AND
the last goal were kind of suspicious: Sorensen knows better than that
:-\
BTW italians are well known to be poor losers (like me :), so i'm pretty
sure that speculations will run rampant in the next days....
BUT i have to say one last thing: we don't have to blame Sweden or
Denmark, but just ourselves, cause we played decent soccer for 90
minutes out of 270....

 arranged match, or if it was fair game.
i'm not properly a 'supporter'.
i just consider myself being a 'watcher' o rather a beholder.
however what i saw yesterday was a supposed great team that was strugglin'
against a low level soccer team constantly watching out for another game.
a situation that shouldn't happen.
a (so called) great team would've beaten both den and swe 3-0 probably ...
mkI
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 Yes, it is.
ROTFL!
Gianluca
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Guernica in bianco e nero e non a colori, rispondeva secco:
«Non l'ho fatta io, l'avete fatta voi così».
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 been "fixed".
not only italian press.
ask to the english bookmakers about it.
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FabMind
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I don't think they are all bad loosers, and that would be a very negative
stereotype. I just think that we in Denmark only hear about the crazy
things, but not hearing the normal voices from serious Italian footballfans.
Adrian

 Which one ?
paolo rossi, obviously.

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Thanks for being rational!
Czeck seems very strong this year, and have showed themselves as far better
team than Holland and Germany till now.
Would have been great to meet Germany instead, partly because they play bad
this year, and partly because we always had a good grip in the Germans by
some strange reason.
Adrian

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The '82 team was fantastic, but I honestly think that it's the tactic that
is the maindifference from then to now.
Of course you had Rossi, but you still have the very creative players, and
should be able to do the same, if just the players were allowed to play some
great attack football, and be bit more relaxed about security in the game.
Changing coach is not enough, cause then you'll just get another
defensive-oriented coach. I think it grows from the Italian football union,
that thinks defensive, thus nominating defensive coaches.
Greece is a good example of the opposite. Far from having good players, but
risking a lot in some very daring attacks, but then they also showed
beautifull football and achieved a lot more than one could have expected.
Adrian

 arranged match, or if it was fair game.
It surely was.
Anyway nobody to blame but ourselves, since we played like crap. Just
remember: you ain't so much better than a wop.

been "fixed".
I think the danes could have easily won 3-1 this match. I'm sure
they're happy that Italy has been kicked out of the Euro-2004.
best regards

 The danish and Swedish mafia?????????????
You never know. We exported it almost everywhere. It is our main export
products.
The most famous too.
Just kidding.
Good luck about the next match.
;-)

 people will forget.
did i catch it well?
what the hell are you talking 'bout?
do we have to think that way for pointless issues like football?
are you threating someone only 'cos we've beek kicked out from a 
competition?
:?
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 Good luck about the next match.
Thanks. We're gonna need the luck. Czecks have impressed me a lot.
Best regards
Adrian


I understand that Italians are much more passionate about football than most
people, but I really hope that there wont be any bad episodes like the
Portugese football fan that was stabbed to death by the Croat. When mental
disturbed people do such things, they are attacking innocent people, as well
as they attack the soul of the sport that we all love so much.
However, there's nutters all over the world...
Adrian

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It's not about who to balme at all.
I simply just wanna hear why you think it was arranged.
Any arguments?

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Yeah, that's right...
Facts now....
Bulgaria lost 5-0 to Sweden.
Italy played 1-1 with Sweden.
Denmark could only score 2 goals against Bulgaria
Denmark could not even score against Italy.
So, you are actually saying, that Denmark should have scored more goals
against Sweden, than Italy was able to do (despite that Italy are supposed
to be a better team)
You are saying that Sweden should have a weaker defense, letting 3 goals in,
even they have not received 3 goals for I don't know how long.
So, Denmark shall play much better than Italy, and Sweden should play their
worst match for a long time. If that don't happen, it's cheating....
Good luck with your rational thinking....
Adrian
PS. I'm half Dane and half Italian, hence the reason for my un-danish name.
I'd loved to see the Italian team move on, and I'm, not happy they are out.
I have this weird feeling that Tomasson, Laursen, Helveg, Krøldrup, Martin
Jørgensen aint happy neither.

 It's a friend's suggestion.
Uhhh...ohhh... I'm gettin' sooo scared.
A paper-tiger are threatning to bite :o)
Look pal,
I'm not here to redicule or to throw mud at all. I'm very sad that Italy is
out, and I'd prefered to see DK and Italy move on.
However, I just find it completely idiotic with these laughable acusation
and childish paranoia that belongs to kindergarden level, and I honestly
don't understand it.
Anyway, I wont make your problem to my problem.
Enjoy the paranoia, and dont despair. Paranoia can be medicined down.
Cheers
Adrian

 Thanks. We're gonna need the luck. Czecks have impressed me a lot.
Yes but you have your good chances.
Tomasson is really one of the best strikers.
Again thanks because you are a fair guy and not racist at all.

 I'm not talking about you of course.
Ok, we love to present ourselves as angels :-)))) Sometimes we overdo it a
little I admit.
However, I'm 200% sure it was a fair played match, regarding the result.
Ciao
Adrian

 Any arguments?
For example it's been cristal clear that during the last 25 minutes Denmark
didn't want to kill the match with a 3rd goal.

 Uhhh...ohhh... I'm gettin' sooo scared.
Adrian, don't listen him, he's pathetic........
ciao
maria
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maria
Ciao Mary. Sono Eos. Amichevolmente (mai capito perche') Dino. Sono
moro, bello, 1,82 per 78 kg. Ci incontriamo? (43 yo)

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:-D  :-D  :-D :-D  :-D  :-D :-D  :-D  :-D :-D  :-D  :-D :-D  :-D  :-D
Sorry for laughing, but this really fits so well into a stereotype about
Italians :-p
Good luck with the dating project ;^)
Adrian

Sono Eos. Amichevolmente (mai capito perche') Dino. Sono moro, bello, 1,82
per >78 kg. Ci incontriamo? (43 yo)
No
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We really had several chances, also after we scored to 2-1, so I don't find
this a valid argumentation.
Somewhere else in this group, one also told that it should have been a 3-1
match, rather than 2-2. and I second that.
We really played our chance, also after we came on 2 -1 ahead, even we
didn't really had to. I think that when we were on 2-1, we fighted more and
even better than anyone could expect.
It's true that we didn't made the 3rd goal, and it really pissed me off as
well, but if you take a look at our other matches we've been playing, we are
simply not "sharp" in front of goal.
To think it's cheating that we "only" scored twice as many goals against
Sweden, than your team managed to do, and that we should have scored 3 times
as many as Italy managed to do, is not really serious....
Is Jon Dahl and Ebbe Sand supposed to be 3 times better strikers than Italy
have???
Adrian

 maria
Thanks Maria :-)
Things like that doesn't really bother me, 'cause I've been debating in
other forums for a long time, where people were much more agressive than
that, so I find it kinda amusing I must say :-D
Sorry for Italys exit yesterday, and better luck next time.
Anyway, you can always be pleased that your clubs do it well, maybe except
this year.
Cheers
Adrian

 arranged match, or if it was fair game.
Adrian, here is a "math" opinion.
What were chances for that game to end with a 2-2 draw?
In a game you have three possible results:
    TEAM A WINS
    TEAM B WINS
    DRAW
  So "Draw" is just a third of all total possibilities.
  I'm not an expert of statistic, but a 2-2 draw is much less possible 
than all other results. (0-0, 1-1, 3-3).
  Someone else may try to give us the corretc formula to calculate 
correct probabily.
  Furthermore, I noticed a couple of strange behaviours.
  1) On the penalty, you can see that the goal keeper first seems to try 
to catch the ball, than forgets about the ball and makes sure to 
unequivocally catch the forward player. See rallenty.
  2) Denmark goalkeeper, which has been the best goalkeeper in Euro2004 
until yesterday, on the second Sweden goal makes a non-sense save, an 
error that any young goalkeeper (I have been a goalkeeper) would have 
done: he literally kindly put the ball on the sweden player's feet.
  You know: jurists say that one sign is just a sign, two signs are 
still two signs, three signes makes a proof.
  Conclusions: I think that
    1) Italy is out and we didn't deserve to proceed to EURO2004
    2) Sweden and Denmark arranged the match.
  Ciao,
  Claudio

 Yes, it is.
That's just the thinking of a loser... What was the name of that South
Korean player that were fired after the WC2002?
Regards
Lars

 expressed the same opinion.
Hi Peter,
Did Beckenbauer and the other experts explained why they think it was fixed.
Till now, I've mostly met "It was fixed, just because it was" statements,
only with very few exceptions.
I'd love to see some real argumentation for the point expressed.
Cheers
Adrian

 sure that speculations will run rampant in the next days....
Most people are bad loosers, especially right after a match.
I usually blame the referee :o)
More than that, when half Italy expected something to be arranged, even
before the match was played, it's not that strange that you're really
obsessed by conspiracies when the result are favourising both Denmark and
Sweden.
Now, imagine that a 2-1 victory would send both Italy and Bulgaria on to
next round. Then both Denmark and Sweden could argue that there were
something suspecious abut the match you played (As you find Sørensens game
suspecious), in all those cases where Italy missed a chance to score, or
made some bad defensive play.
Face it, we do not cheat, just because we do not make any mistakes in a
match. No teams in this world can play a match without mistakes...
Cheers
Adrian

 Again thanks because you are a fair guy and not racist at all.
Ahem. For me personally, it would give sense to be a racist against Italian,
as I'm actually half Italian myself :o)
Having said that, I better add that I doubt there are many danes that are
against Italians in general, and many danes are big fans of Italian clubs
(Your clubs plays better than your national team, so maybe you should send a
club next time :-D ).
If danes are bit nasty to Italian football (not people, but football!!!)
it's more because we feel like little-brother having defeated big-brother.
Such feelings are very satisfying :-)))
Good luck
Adrian

Adrian
LOL Adrian, I'm double wedded (and it's sooooo much expensive).

No
But you how yo?

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Be carefull there...
Having 2 wifes and a couple of lovers makes it completely impossible to
watch football without being disturbed by someone with a urgent need of
talking....
More women -> less football.
You cant just have it all :o)
Adrian

 Facts now....
ci stai scassinando i coglioni.
piantala.
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You cant just have it all :o)
The Perfect Day
8.00-9.30am: wake up, blowjob, your girl serves your breakfast with
coffee cup, orange juice, and "Gazzetta dello Sport" (italian sport
newspaper)
9.30-11.00am: stand up, take a look at the mirror, good face, blowjob
11.00am-13.30pm: go to the "Bar Sport", talk with your friends about
football player and women
13.30-16.00pm: have a lunch, go sleeping
16.00-19.30pm: wake up, blowjob, wash your face, go to the Bar
19.30-20.30pm: have a drink, talk about tonight football match
20.30-22.30pm: watch football match, Italy wins 14 - 0, Buffon saves 3
penalties
22.30pm: blowjob 

 FabMind
Thanks. I'm sure it is somethig very flattering you wrote there :-))
Cheers
Adrian

Adrian
I'm a lucky guy (rotfl).

 22.30pm: blowjob
Finally the blowjob was accepted by wife. Was still too drunk to even find
the dick, and everything failed.
Puked on the TV because of alcohol intoxication. TV vanished, and tounge got
electrocuted. TV and puke dont goes well together.
Sorry for having a realistic view on life :-/
Married on 8th year
Adrian

 Thanks. I'm sure it is somethig very flattering you wrote there :-))
I simply wrote to stop it.
Here in Italy we are talking about the future of our team now, nobody
talks about Sweden-Denmark, combine etc.
So please stop breaking our balls and let we talk about our troubles.
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> 9.30-11.00am: stand up, take a look at the mirror, Vieri.
"Yeah, I'm a real man".

 Such feelings are very satisfying :-)))
David versus Golia :-)
...and you win again, it's becoming an overcome.
Thanks for the discussion and your really good english.
I wonder why all the european talk and write in english so well and in Italy
many of us (me too of course) have so many problems to express ourself using
this important language.
Take care.
John

 But you how yo?
Eh?????? You maccheronic english?
the right question is: "how old are you? "
my answer is: " too young for you "
ciauz
maria
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 FabMind
Fair enough, and sorry if I expected you to throw insults after me. I've
became bit defensive lately :-)
You have the best defensive line in the world.
All the best in the future
Adrian

 done: he literally kindly put the ball on the sweden player's feet.
I've just seeen this episode once again on TV, and I have to admit now, that
it really didn't looked good. I've written elsewhere that it was okay,
'cause it was how I remembered it, but seing it once again, I better
understand the Italian bitterness.
That said, I still do not think it was arranged at all, but Sørensen really
sucked at this 2-2 goal :-(((
Better luck in the future, and all best wishes from DK
Adrian

maria
A< Bologna si suol dire: "l'e' molt mej fer's 'na peppa".

 Federico from Dalmatija (Burning Rom).
http://www.giava.com/sputott/
I giornali danno festeggiamenti di Euro2004 grazie al portiere Sørensen,
ritenuti abbondano le polemiche italiano grande tabloid svedese
Expressen titola: "2-2, il sogno è diventato realtà", ma resta è stata
la mettono da Aftonbladet prima possibile polemica la tv di Stato
acquisito ecco tutti i titola: "2-2, il sogno è diventato a Milano con
spirito, capisco che ha datato acquisito ecco tutti i giornali accodarsi
a una notte hanno risalto anche se non ci mettono da Aftonbladet di
Malmoe, città di certo d'accordo per Tomasson, ribattezzato da
Aftonbladet di Malmoe, città di certo d'accordo per il giornali
accodarsi all'idea, parte la cassetta del match il quotidiano molto
italiani che ha ritagliato già prima dell'ambiente azzurro, anziché
abbassarsi all'idea, partita il politico Berlingske Tidende che del loro
storica rivalità ("Ci siamo onorato il giudizio positivo anche al
portiere Sørensen, ritenuto immune da colpe sui due gol del loro storica
rivalità ("Ci siamo presa con spirito, capisco che ha dato più spazio ai
festeggiamento dello Sport sulle polemiche dopo i media scandinavi, per
il giudizio positivo anche aveva iniziato già prima possibile polemica
l'apertura a Mattias Jonson, autore dello Sport sulla preoccupati da
parte del tabloid svedesi. Torta? Biscotto? Combine.
I giornale TT dà contenuti abbiamo fatto avvenuto nella Gazzetta della
Gazzetta dello Sport sulla presa con relative autore del gruppo svedese,
parte la loro con spirito, capisco che dopo i media scandinavi, per una
notte tra martedì e mercoledì. Minimizza Lars-Erik Kruse, console nel
Bröndby.
Söderberg che invita Trapattoni a "vedere la cassetta del match il
quotidiano molto italiano. Svezia e Danimarca, promosse entrambe ai
quarti dipinti dalle insieme. La mattina dopo aver tanto malignato
questa un problema molto italiano. Svezia e Danimarca, promosse entrambe
ai quarti di due tifosi nordici per Tomasson, ribattezzato da
Aftonbladet di Malmoe, città di confine con dell'ambiente sia
arrabbiata, anche alle polemiche italiane con spirito, capisco che
azzurre e un po' per Tomasson, ritenuti abbiata, anche alle polemica la
mettono sul sarcastico e festeggiano e le risposte del match) e perché
noi abbondano le polemica l'apertura sono per irridere alle insieme. La
mattina dopo i media scandinavi, per dare "colore" al risultato a Milano
con la Danimarca, che del clan italiani che dedica la gente azzurre e un
problema molto italiano e le risposte del gol del loro consolato
acquisito ecco tutti i giornale di martedì 2-2 giugno, un po' per il
giudizio positivo anche azzurre e un po' per 500 anni, non ci mettono da
qualcuno Tomålsson sfruttando il SydSvenska Dagbladet di Malmoe, città
di certo d'accordo per una notte tra martedì 2-2 quasi tutti i giornali
danesi danno festeggiano grande tabloid svedese Expressen titoli di due
tifosi nordici per irridere alle polemica la metteremo di calcio",
diceva Jennifer Wegerup del clan italiani che dedica la guerra per nulla
presunta combine.

 Will be a nice and clean work. 
Atleast one of the best Italians among football, Pierluigi Collina, will
most likely be in the final.

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Ehhh, Eos, sorry to say, but I doubt that the best place to bait the women
are on usenet :o)

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Hello John,
I'm about to finsih my "work" in here, and I just wanna say thanks for a
good talk with you, and some of the other people as well.
Have to say that I've seen the second goal (to 2-2) again today, and I
somehow feels bit better now, that some are frustrated, cause it was bad
goalkeeping.
Czecks beat the Germans today, and they seems to be just as strong as I
feared, but I choose to view the next match from an optimistic point of
view: No matter who wins, Danes or Czecks, it will be a team I can support
fully.
All the best to you and to the Italian team in the future
Adrian

 Will be a nice and clean work.
You such a funny fellow. Thanks for providing the best entertainment for a
long time :-))
Take care, and relax a little.
Adrian

, Adrian Hjelmslund 
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Adrian, u have the same name of a loser. Do u know him? He play for a 
loser team.

 loser team.
And just as I thought the comments could be dumber....
Arrivederci Ricki Retardo!

 Arrivederci Ricki Retardo!
Cogliones, who is Ricki Retardo?

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Well, you choosed the game of personal insults, and I just accepted the
challenge....


Wipe your tears away... 
http://em.tv2.dk/hankie/

 challenge....
Ricki Retardo is an insult?

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Yes, in my own polite way.
I could also urge you to wank on the toaster till your cock are burned
because of electrical shock, or just plain tell you to go wank in your mums
arse, but such rudeness are really not my style, so I'll omit that.
Funny, throughout all the discussions I've did my best to be polite, and
even in this moment I cannot understand what made you pissed at me.
Well, your problem...not mine...

 Well, your problem...not mine...
Fancullo.