Newsgroup: it.sport.calcio
Titolo: Re: Were the french doped?

 fascism, he certainly was after it.
But are you still living in 1930 or are you just an idiot? In Italy there is 
a stupid player who is fascist but he wasn't in the national team.
The worst thing about you is that you admire such a violent player like 
Zidane while insulting Italy's team who has play fair.
You're just stupid.
  Miriam & Alessio 

 You're just stupid.
probably /it/ is a scottish leghist.
T.

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Probably it was a family insult and probably without any form of racism, 
they are simply non in style. Materazzi play in Internazionale FC, in this 
club he is one of the few italian...it will be impossible for a racist to 
play there.
Finally, why don't you ask the reason for Materazzi to insult Zidane? and 
how can you try to excuse Zidane???? what if it was Materazzi to attack 
Zidane? would you all excuse him insulting Zidane? 

 like Zidane while insulting Italy's team who has play fair.
I wouldn't say Italy played particularly fair, they are famous for their
acting skills and dirty tricks (sorry but that is the way the world sees
them), but they weren't too bad yesterday. Zidane's headbutt was
unforgivable but that doesn't change the fact that on a purely
footballing level he is one of the greatest players we have ever seen,
and even your compatriots would agree on that usually.

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So, Zidane is a violent player but Materazzi is a fucking saint?
Watch this and shut up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HblsV-urHg&search=materazzi

 and even your compatriots would agree on that usually.
Zidane is one of the greatest player, no doubt about that, but this
can't be an alibi, the episode with Materazzi wasn't the first.
In this World Cup Italy commit very few fouls and also in the final
match commit less foul than france.
in the second match De Rossi make a mistake and during an action he
commited an awful foul but he was sorry for that and payed for that and
no italian has try to excuse him.
With Australia Naterazzi has been given a red card for a foul that
simply was not a foul, but still he payed for that and there was no
accuse for that and in al the others match in this World Cup Materazzi
has played fair.
Italian player may have many fault but during last month has play fair,
it seems obvious to me.
One last thing, in 2004 Totti has been provocated verbally and
physically by Poulsen during all the match and a Danish camera was
placed on him to filmed every reaction. Totti made a mistake and spit
in face to the danish player.
To me he made a serious foul, and he payed for that...but I don't
remember anyone trying to excuse him for that even if he was provocated
for all the match. Can you tell me why thi situation is different? ist
because Totti is italian?

 No, but seriously...
Tell me what kind of foul has committed italy in the final and look at
the total number of foul during all the match.

 talent, not Zidane for reacting.
Ok, so in your country a headbutt is the correct way to reply to an
insult, good way.
And if MAterazzi has really insulted Zidane are you not going to ask if
Zidane have say something to him before? I really think that you don't
want to know the truth about this story and that all that you want is
tu insult italian.

 italian people?
Source / proof? This is the first time I hear or read this. If a German
player really said that, there would have been a _massive_ uproar in
Germany, he would have been pelted with rooten fruit and would never
see a football pitch again (and maybe also face legal action, depending
on what exactly he said), so I don't believe that.

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I have read in a newspaper the day of the match, it was said by a
journalist, but all of italian newspaper decide to report that sentence
without emphasis, in particular that article that I have read only said
"we are talking about a football match, don't touch history crime".
Anyway, before the match Der Spiegel were racist about Italian, that
was fair for you?
The day after the journal make excuses and I really don't think that
German people can think what was written in that article about italian,
but after that, please, don't be racist to italian.
And remember that the article of Der Spiegel wasn't the first to be
racist.

 but after that, please, don't be racist to italian.
No, German people do not think about Italian people the way it was
described in that article, and I was angry and ashamed about that
article (not to talk about the bad timing) and so was everyone I talked
to about that article.
But what do Italian people do and think about the politician Roberto
Calderoli who insulted the French national team as "blacks, Muslims
and communists"(*)? I think that is something completely different to
a journalist's bad satire that went over the top. And no, I'm not
saying "What you did is worse than what we it". Every single incident
is bad no matter which country does it. It's such a shame. :-(
(*) 
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldFootballNews&storyID=2006-07-11T095320Z_01_L11250229_RTRIDST_0_SPORT-SOCCER-WORLD-ITALY-RACISM.XML

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http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldFootballNews&storyID=2006-07-11T095320Z_01_L11250229_RTRIDST_0_SPORT-SOCCER-WORLD-ITALY-RACISM.XML
Calderoli is an idiot (I don't know an insult adapt for him, at least
in english), he is racist. Honestly for me it's difficult to consider
him a man.
Anyway it's difficult also to consider him italian when he doesn't
consider himeself italian. Before the victory he has always said that
he is not an italian supporter because he is not italian and because in
the national team there was many player from the south of Italy.
He is just stupid, any nation has its idiots, Calderoli is one of the
Italy's idiot, the real problem is that he is a politician but this
problem is far more complicated to explain in a message, but don't
worry, almost all of italian people thinks that calderoli is stupid and
racist.
Please don't base your opinion of italy upon calderoli or I'll have to
based my opinion of german upon Der Spiegel =)
Finally I want to thank you, with you is possible to talk in a polite
manner.
Bye

 representing England.
Oh, I had almost forgotten about Aragones  ... the last thing I read about
him was that he was nagging about the South Korean team, that they could
exchange their entire team during half-time break without anyone noticing
because they all look the same ... =8-|
If you are planning on compiling a hit team, please take some of our guys
with you (especially Blondie, the guy on the right ;-):
 
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,662576,00.jpg

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HblsV-urHg&search=materazzi
Materazzi is not a saint, neither is Zidane.
During Italy vs France Zidane made an awful headbutt not Materazzi, but
probably in your opinion Zidane can do such thing because is a very
good player and because Materazzi is italian, am I wrong? are there any
othe reason why Zidane can attack another player?

 it.
Very funny. As a fairy tale.
It's a sin that Zinedine Zidane has the habit to lose the humanhood and 
listening to his animal side too often eh?
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*we are* the champions, my french

 game.
Why? It won the World Cup Final for Italy! I'm sure he'd make the same 
choice again given the chance.
Or perhaps there's a new parallel universe spawned every time someone 
makes a decision and somewhere out there Zidane and Les Blues are World 
Champions and everyone is condemning the Italian team for having a poor 
tournament because they didn't win it after Materazzi kept his mouth shut.

 can't be an alibi,
No one is using it as an alibi. No one, but no one is excusing Zidane's 
conduct of that I assure you. I live in France, I read all the French 
press and not one single person has made any excuse for him. They might 
understand why, the eventual provocation, but nobody accepts that as 
justification. 

 And off the pitch, "as a man", has he committed any violent acts?
Ok, from now on I expect that if any italian player get provoked by any 
foreigner player it's right for him to hit, ok?
Totti was provoked by words and by violent tackle by Poulsen for all the 
match with denmark in 2004, at the end he spit in face of Poulsen. He ask 
pardon to the danish player, nobody excuse him and he was given 4 day out 
and publically exposed as unfair player.
Zidane physically attack another player, he didn't asl pardon, many people 
in the world are seeking an alibi for him and best of all he was given the 
best player award!
All of this seem right to you??? 

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Can you tell me why more than 60% of french are with zidane and only 27% of 
french condem his act? it was written in Le Parisien
If it was an italian player guilty of that I really can't think of any 
provocation that can justify such aggression 

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I think I have already said about that in another post, anyway De Rossi has 
not premeditated anything, but he made an awful foul, he got a red card, 
nobody try to defend him and in Italy everybody said that is guilty and that 
is not the way to play, he excused for that to McBride and to everyone and 
pay with 4 match out.
To me sounds worse attack a player when the ball is far and the referee is 
looking away that make a foul during a jump, and it seem more premeditated.
Has Zidane excused to Materazzi for the attack? 

 Daniel
So stupid actions made by other people are an alibi for Zidane?
In Italy everybody said that De Rossi has made an awful mistake and so 
Tassotti,  De Rossi excused for that and pay for that, I can't remember of 
Tassotti conseguence but I really hoped that he was given a red card for at 
least 5 match and it seems to me that went like this.
Following the same logic Zidane must excuse for the headbutt and have to 
stay out for at least 4 match.
And remember that an headbutt over the heart like that can be very 
dangerous. 

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Ok, next time try to quote some, please ;)
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 All of this seem right to you???
He was awarded the Best Player title by the usual vote at half-time, 
before the incident took place therefore. 

 provocation that can justify such aggression
There is no provocation that justifies such an aggression and no one is
justifying it, are you thick or what?

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Ok for the award but what about the rest?
And in my opinion after the incident FIFA shouldn't have awarded him 

 justifying it, are you thick or what?
Many people in this thread are saying that Materazzi is guilty and that 
Zidane have had a normal reaction, it seems that you don't think like that, 
but try to read the others post and some interview.
Trezeguet has said that was Matearazzi's falut and Gallas has said that he 
want to hit Materazzi.
Domenech has said that Italy won by cheating.
After all that it seems that there are a lot of people who justify Zidane 

 McBride.
So for you a physical attack is the correct response to an insult? very good
And anyway, before Materazzi's insulte Zidane was talking to him, I'd like 
to know also what Zidane were saying, what if was Zidane who makes the first 
insult? 

 the face by the Brazilian player Leonardo in the 1994 World Cup.
An headbutt isn't enough unfair and dangerous to be punished?
I want to know just one thing, for you Zidane must be punished or not? 

 
Obviously Zidane's punishment for the headbutt must be as draconian as 
Cristiano Ronaldo's punishment for the pre-match headbutt on Wayne Rooney.

 Can you name a better player than Zidane?
Many.
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     Luigi Donatello Asero
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia.html
Un italiano che vive in Svezia

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I don't think it is FIFA that awards it in fact, it is a vote by 
journalists (2012 of them) and no doubt awarded by some organisation of 
their profession. 

 Zidane
No I don't think anyone justifies it really, but they do understand it.
Remember this may well have cost France the World Cup, hardly something
fans would pass off lightly.

 Materazzi is guilty it seems, guilty of extreme provocation
So, can you prove what he said, to begin with?
Can you explain to me why neither Zidane nor Materazzi have said so far what
both said during the match?
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 FIFA do apart from fine him? They cannot ban him as he is retiring.
Revoke FIFA award.
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 Trezeguet has said that was Matearazzi's falut
La Juve lo vende, giusto?
Non lo vedremo giocare contro Materazzi, quest'anno, vero?
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 french condem his act?
Perché i francesi sono dei cretini storicamente conclamati.
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 Perché i francesi sono dei cretini storicamente conclamati.
Va te faire foutre. 

 far what both said during the match?
Because Materazzi is thoroughly ashamed and is not going to say to the 
world what he said to Zidane, Zidane is due to make a statement either 
today or Friday I believe. 

"John of Aix"
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Materazzi: "Zidane, FANCULLI!"
Zidane: "Mooooooo... SBAM!"
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 Only after they strip Materazzi of his winners medal.
Looser.
France: 8*D
Italia: 8****D
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>> ever seen, and even your compatriots would agree on that usually.
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