Newsgroup: it.sport.calcio
Titolo: Italy is not so good

As I read the last message, I would like to say something. I'd hoped
that Italian were not like English. But it seems that you too are fully
nationalist.
How can you say that youre team is the best in the world. It's not even
in the top five!! How can you say that you could have beaten France in
Mundial 98. France has keeped the ball quiet all the time and shot at
goal 4x more than Italy!!
Maybe Italy is world champion of... friendly matchs. So if it's so good,
win when that counts instead of being eliminated systematicaly since
1982!
And your championship! What about your championship? Yes it is the
strongest in the world. Just thanks to the foreign players, and
especialy the french and argentinian players! It's not that difficult to
have a great championship when you are full of money and can buy the
best players in the world. And what else do you have except your holy
football championship????
For exemple, English and French have rugby. Italy has... Ferrari (hum!).
So just a thing of brand and marketing.
The italian national squad is very poor. The five best teams in the
world are:
1) France
2) Holland
3) Argentina
4) Croatia
5) Ukraine
Brasil is nowhere.

 Brasil is nowhere.
ok, France won the WC, but, as I already said, I don't think it is that
good.
Holland and Argentina are strong teams, maybe better than the italian one
Croatia is not a team but just a bunch of very talented players each one
playing for himself in order to get a chanche to play in an European team or
to renegotiate his contract
Ukraine: what is it?
Brasil: just because France defeated it in a match (altought the most
important one) this doesn't mean that Brasil has disappeared from the world
bye
andrea

So just a thing of brand and marketing.
Rugby is becoming important also in Italy and Ferrari is a good example, but
we like also tennis, ski, track-and-field (is it the right translation?),

 So just a thing of brand and marketing.
You talk without think 'cause Italy also have for example: 
- Basketball (2'nd in last European championship)
- Volleyball (world champions at last 3 mundials and that won all that
there was to win (except Olympic games) in the lasts 10 years).
- Ski
- Swimmingball (I don't know if it's the right word... )
- Hockey
- rugby it's quite recent but we're growing...
- Tennis (we don't have strong single player, but our team get the final
          in last Devis cup (loose with Sweden))
...and who knows how many others, less importants of these, I forgot now.
I don't think England has (in general) national teams better than Italy,
but if you don't agree you can reply.
	bye 
		Luca 
 
  fan of: Bologna Football Team (semifinal in Uefa cup 99)
	  Fortitudo Basketball Team ( Final Four in Eurolegue 99) 
****** BOLOGNA RULES ***************************************************
 

He he! You made a big mistake, I'm not english, I'm french (I didn't
know my english was so good :-))))
An who says Italy has the best national squad in the world? Except some
foolish italian nationalists, I don't know anywone who says that.
That doesn't mean that Italy has never had the best. But for now, Italy
is far behind France, Argentina and Holland.

I agree, national team of England is not better. At now, France is better than both (France won 2-0 against England AT WEMBLEY, last month).
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Sorry, I've understood you're french too late.
But if you're french, why do you speak english?
Bye.
CODY

Perque parlo italiano solo un pocco. Ipararo adesso, ma e piu facile per
me parlare english. La mia amica e da Napoli.
FORZA MONACO!
CODY a écrit :
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or Bordeaux, or Monaco and so on: where are they, only OM is still on the rush and in the UEFA cup, the least important of the three.
anyway, if you watch TV during next week you have chanches to see an italian team on tuesday, wednesdy and thursday.
French sport sucks, that's it, the only tradition you have is in rugby (and it is really good indeed)
ciao
andrea

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Monaco?? Eliminated by another french club, but you're right. This year
french clubs haven't done a great job.
French sport sucks? Just in football, french one is far better than
italian regarding to the money put in. If French league had the same
amount of money than italian, spanish and english ones, the french clubs
would have won all the european cups. And I don't even speak about the
world cup.
It's not very glorious to win when you put so much money in this sport
and can then buy the best in the world (Zidane, Battistuta, etc.). Never
mind, we'll see Marseille against Bologne. Because as french clubs have
no money, they fight with their heart and can win.
French sport sucks? What was the rank of France in the last Olympic
Games. I forgot it, could you help me?
And don't speak of rugby. You don't know this sport. Football french
squad is far better than the rugby one, at now. French squad of rugby
now sucks.
Arrivederci,
Xavier
FORZA MONACO!

is far behind France, Argentina and Holland.
Yes, now we're not the best, but a few national team have won 3 world
championships in football history. And in 1990 we loose semifinal with
Argentina and final in 1994 with Brasil. These are the only teams who have
won the World Cup for three times.
Next time, please, think before speaking!
Bye.
CODY

FORZA MONACO!
Forza Grande LAZIO!
SALUTI
CODY

 
Just as you! Brazil won the world cup FOUR TIMES, Germany and Italy
three times and Argentina TWO TIMES. 
Never mind, I admit Italy is a great country of football. All what I say
(and this is a fundamental reality of modern football) is one thing :
countries that IMPORT foreign players because they put a lot of money in
football give relatively weak national squads (England, Spain and
Italy). On the contrary, countries that EXPORT their players because
they don't have much money in football give the best national squads
(France, Holland and Brazil).
I already said it, I say it and I will continue to say it as it is the
reality of modern football that everyone should understand. Great
championship, ok, but then weak national squad. At least, Italy has a
great championship. England has a lot of money, they have a week
national squad AND week clubs that can't win on european field. Poor
guys (and they still believe they are the best in the world!).

 FORZA MONACO!
Do you live in Monaco? or in the surroundings?
This is the real advantage of France over Italy: la cote d'azur!!!
I love it: I will be in Beausoleil for easter and before or later I will buy
something there.

now sucks.
Ok, let's have a comparison. You mix up clubs and national teams, and
that's a mess. I'm going show you the different subjects.
Clubs: 
Football: Italy far batter
Rugby: France far better
Volley: Italy far better
Basket: Italy better
Waterpolo: Italy far better
Handball: France better?
Hockey: Italy better
Baseball: Italy better
National teams:
Football: Italy historically better; I can give you a draw nowadays.
Rugby: France far better
Volley: Italy far better
Basket: Italy better
Waterpolo: Italy far better
Handball: France better?
Hockey: Italy better
Baseball: Italy better
Athletics: short distances: France better
Athletics: long distances: Italy better
Athletics: throws: draw
Athletics: jumps: draw
Cycling: draw
Tennis: France better
Skiing: Italy better
Cross country skiing: Italy far better
Martial arts: draw
Boxe: Italy better
Fencing: Italy better
Rowing and canoing: Italy better
Swimming: draw
F1: Italy better (both pilots and car)
If you wish to correct any data, you may try to reply.
Regards.
Claudio Mantelli
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Like Inter and Roma?
Inter won 3 UEFA cups in the last 8 years. Any French team can show
the same?
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Brasil is nowhere.
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1) France2) Holland3) Argentina4) Croatia5) UkraineBrasil is nowhere.
aaarrrgggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
the only reason I think France is great is Laetitia Casta(anyway Italy is
full of wonderful girls,and also Laetitia has italian roots!).....
Your national team is composed by doped players(this season Zidane and
Deschamps play very bad,strange fact in the year of doping scandal....).
Anyway I simply couldn't care less about your considerations...they're
totally wrong,I say,and influenced by your blind nationalism.
Italy doesn't pretend(and doesn't say)to be the best team in the
world....anyway here in Italy there is the best league,the league chosen by
the best players in the world,including your heroes....
I hope we'll never read each other again
ROMA E BASTA(altro che MONACO cor treseghe!)
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...england won its only world cup in 1966, final england-germany, 
Englan stole the world cup with an unexistent gol.
Englan was the organizer country , so fifa decided to give it a
prize.......
 ...
italy won in 1934,1938,1982 (the best ediction than ever...we beat:
argentina
brazil (quarter final) 3-2
germany (final) 3-1
...the best teams of the world.....
List:
1° Brazil 4 world cup, 1 final
2° Italy 3 wold cup, 2 final
3° german 3 world cup, 1 final
4° argentina 2 world cup, 1 final
...............................................
..............................................

Brasil is nowhere.
Anyway it wasn't at the Stade de France on last 12th of July, that we
noticed. But I think it will soon be back. Stonger than ever.
Italy was very poor at France 98, it's tru. But that's the fault of
the coach. Italy is back too, and you'll see, with Francesco Totti, at
Euro 2000, we'll kick asses.
Amicalement,
Corrado, Paris.
Forza Italia, Forza Roma.
Forza PSG, Forza AS Diotima.

guys (and they still believe they are the best in the world!).
Your argumentation is a bit contradictory.  you say this:
Italian league is strong because they have money and so they buy
foreign players. Consequence: good clubs but bad national team.
On the other hand, France etc. export their players. Consequence: bad
clubs but good national team.
And then here comes  poor England:
they have a lot of money. Consequence: bad natinoal team AND bad
clubs!!! How is that??
Anyway, I don't agree with you of course, but most of all I don't
agree on your level judgements about national teams.
How can you be so proud of french football and claim that English
football sucks?
Personally I believe England has shown a better football than  France
at the world cup. 
I believe you shouldn't base yourself too much on the France98
results. France were not so great, and England were not so bad.
Italy were really so bad. But you'll see, in 2000, the usual top3 will
be re-established...
We'll see.
Amicalement
Corrado, Paris

And don't speak of rugby. You don't know this sport. 
You're right. We shouldn't talk about french rugby. And you shouldn't
talk about italian football.
Italian football is not just what you see in France, in telefoot and
l'equipe du dimanche, where they only show you french players in
italian teams. Italian football is not just INter, Milan, Juve,
Zidane, Batigol, Ronaldo, Delpiero.
It is also Bologna, Udinese, Giannichedda, Zambrotta, Totti... and
lots of names you don't know. 
You can't judge italian football just on the national team and the big
names.The average italian level is really stronger than the average
european level. 
Salut
Corrado

(France, Holland and Brazil).
That's a meaningless coincidence .
First of all, even if that was true, exporting players is not a
condition to improve.
What improves players is playing in strong leagues (Serie A, Liga,
Premiership, Bundesliga in order). It's obvious that exporting italian
players in the french league wouldn't absolutely contribute to improve
them.
You always says Italy fails, but I guess 1 win, 1 final, 1 semi and 1
quarter in the last 5 WC is not that bad. And, since we lost 3 times
on penalties, how do you think that's due to the foreign players in
our league?
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Never mind, I admit Italy is a great country of football. 
Sorry, but this is a mistake. It isn't italy but Padania a great
country of football. Think about Juventus, Milan, Inter. They've all
made history and they are all from Padania.
Claudio
Repubblica Federale Padana
Padania Sport 
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foolish italian nationalists, I don't know anywone who says that.
Couture, you 're perfectly right. Only a foolish nationalist
"italiota" can say that.
You can't immagine what a great pleasure was for padanian people when
France whipped italy out from the World Cup.  What an amazing party we
had that night.
France, you are the World Champion but the "italiota" are still saying
they are the best. Unfortunately there's nothing to do, the
media-mafia are washing their mind (and not only about football).
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media-mafia are washing their mind (and not only about football).
Padania does not exist. And you shouldn't bother foreigners with this kind
of bullshits...

made history and they are all from Padania.
Ma perche' non chiudi mai quella fogna, idiota?
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TA GUEL CONARD!!!
(Traduzion: statte zitto pezzo de merda!)
A REGA', QUESTO SE BUCA PROPRIO!!!
SEMPRE MAGICA ROMA!

I'm not very experimented in italian, but I can tell you youre
traduction is wrong. And it's "Ta gueule connard".
Francesco Romano a écrit :
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The Federal Republic of Padania doesn't exist for you. 
For us it's italy that has completely disappeared.
What kind of foreigners are you talking about. You are missing the
point. This is a NG about calcio and it's NOT a place just for italian
people, it's not a property of any italian and there is NO foreigner.
Sorry Couture about this people who believe to be the owner of this NG
(they've got an innate sense of racism). You are not a foreigner here.
You have all the right to be here, the same right to post about calcio
of anyone else (if you read the manifesto of this NG you understand
you can also post everything about football in France or whatever you
like). This is NOT a NG dedicated to italian calcio but to all the
calcio in the world.
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 Remember that's difficult to win 3 mundials only for lucky...
Well, I am not saying you are wrong (you aren't) but the first two world
cups Italy won were in 1934 and 1938, that is, over 60 years ago.
In those days, Uruguay and Hungary were world powers in football, there were
no substitutions, the local team always won the cup (first time that didn't
happen was in 38 when Italy beat France... intriguing ;-), and so on.
Then, Italy went on a drought that lasted over 40 years, and if you count
only what has happened in the last, say, 25 years, Italy is certainly a
elite team, but not precisely the first, or the second.
And, then again, In the last 5 years, Italy's national team has really
sucked a bit. But then again, so have mine (Argentina). Oh, well. Time
passes, good teams get worse, bad teams get better, it all changes.
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Brasil is nowhere.

Well my friend... 3 things.
1st of all I'm on of the first to shout against Italy and against it's
disorganization, but anyone in the world knows that Soccer is the only thign
that works in Italy... and it works obvioulsy at the higest level. So...
please give Buisness to US, writers to France, guitarists to Spain and don't
even try to think to criticize Italian's soccer... you should lose always.
2nd never heard of tradition?
3rd how many World Championships won the country you come from?
you better take care of the other problems of Italy which are a lot... you
better leave Italian soccer to its First Position on Earth as it always have
been...
ciao ciao stranierone

Couture ha scritto nel messaggio +ADw-37008A72.1E6EA87E+AEA-idg.fr+AD4-...
+AD4-As I read the last message, I would like to say something. I'd hoped
+AD4-that Italian were not like English. But it seems that you too are fully
+AD4-nationalist.
+AD4-
+AD4-How can you say that youre team is the best in the world. It's not even
+AD4-in the top five+ACEAIQ- How can you say that you could have beaten France in
+AD4-Mundial 98. France has keeped the ball quiet all the time and shot at
+AD4-goal 4x more than Italy+ACEAIQ-
With another trainer everything could have happened.
+AD4-Maybe Italy is world champion of... friendly matchs. So if it's so good,
+AD4-win when that counts instead of being eliminated systematicaly since
+AD4-1982+ACE-
Where were France and England in 1994? It could have took a penalty for us
to win the World Cup instead...
+AD4-And your championship+ACE- What about your championship? Yes it is the
+AD4-strongest in the world. Just thanks to the foreign players, and
+AD4-especialy the french and argentinian players+ACE- It's not that difficult to
+AD4-have a great championship when you are full of money and can buy the
+AD4-best players in the world. And what else do you have except your holy
+AD4-football championship????
+AD4-For exemple, English and French have rugby. Italy has... Ferrari (hum+ACE-).
+AD4-So just a thing of brand and marketing.
If you are French (aren't you?), you should know that Kinder Bologna,
Italian champion and EUROPEAN champion of basketball, have just beaten your
Pau Orthez. Did France win anything in basketball except 1993 champions cup
with Limoges? We have volley (3-in-a-row world championships+ACE-). We have lots
of other sports (and also a good rugby team)
+AD4-The italian national squad is very poor. The five best teams in the
+AD4-world are:
+AD4-
+AD4-1) France
+AD4-2) Holland
+AD4-3) Argentina
+AD4-4) Croatia
+AD4-5) Ukraine
Ukraine? Oh, well, it's the 1st of April, everyone is making jokes...
+AD4-Brasil is nowhere.
I guess you should take a good look around you. And lots of Frenchmen and
Englishmen are more nationalist than us.
Bye
Lete

 
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cor...@easynet.fr
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How much does it cost to BUY a World Cup ?
I shall go and ask Jacques Chirac perhaps.....

passes, good teams get worse, bad teams get better, it all changes.
In the past 5 years Italy has lost a WC final on penalties, and has
had a poor EC, though it would be a mistake saying it sucked: beated
Russia, lost with Czech Republic (playing a poor game against a team
which, indeed, almost won the champuionships), and draw (attacking for
the whole match, and, as the germans said, deserving to win) Germany,
that won the EC.
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For us it's italy that has completely disappeared.
Sure, everybody has the right to have his own opinions, though
democracy is based on percentages.
When 10-20 thousands people wish to generate a new country, and about
20 millions in the same area are against, democracy says "forget
that".
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 that won the EC.
Well, you either count as good deserving to beat Germany in the EC, or
you have to say that in 94 you were damn lucky to reach the final.
Results or wether you deserved to win. You can't have your cake and eat it ;-)
I tend to go more with wether a team played well or not, which I believe, for
example, Argentina haven't done in 7 years, and I can't really remember an
italian team that did play very well, besides perhaps the 82 one?
For one thing, I believe the 82 Brazil team was a heck of a lot better than
94's and 86's France than 98's but then again, maybe I am a bit crazy ;-)
Best regards,
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>I shall go and ask Jacques Chirac perhaps.....
al massimo sarebbe "I might go and ask Jacques Chirac"
e poi non dare merito ai soldi francesi: dimmi con chi avrebbero rubato.
L'italia forse?

L'italia forse?
No, la Francia non ha rubato con noi.......ma cavoli, quando
vedi come hanno giocato contro il Paraguay e contro la Croazia
e quando noti che Ronaldo ha subíto un'iniezione di circa 200mg
di essenza di marijuana, osa dirmi che hanno meritato di vincere ?

and 86's France than 98's but then again, maybe I am a bit crazy ;-)
Agree again. If a french deserved the Cup, that was Platini.
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 Agree again. If a french deserved the Cup, that was Platini.
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