Newsgroup: it.sport.calcio
Titolo: LeMonde Dubious Reconstruction of what Materazzi Might Have Said

An on-line article of LeMonde (see link below) gives a "reconstruction"
of what Materazzi might have said to Zidane. But the Italian sentences
LeMonde attributes to Materazzi are so awkard and ungrammatical that no
Italian would ever utter them (that is, not even somebody as ignorant
as Materazzi.)
Consider for example:
"Taciti, enculo, hai solamente cio che merite."
1) "Taciti" is ungrammatical. The correct imperative form is "Taci"
2) "Enculo" makes no sense.
3) "cio che merite" should read "cio che ti meriti".
On the whole, the sentence above sounds like a bad translation of a
French sentence (e.g. "Tais-toi enculé, tu ne reçois que ce que tu
mérites...").
I conclude that LeMonde's alleged reconstruction is a forgery. They
first made up what to put in Materazzi's mouth and they then they
incorrectly translated it into Italian.
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-669420,36-794255@51-734920,0.html

 2) "Enculo" makes no sense.
bwahahahhaaaa

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I'm not surprised. Le Monde as other french newspapers has often
appeared to be less interested in facts than in propaganda. I think
part of the scramble to find a justification for Zidane is due to a
fear that condemning him might provoke unrest in the suburbs.

 fear that condemning him might provoke unrest in the suburbs.
I believe you are kiding or just wanting to say something really stupid.

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You misunderstood the article, actually it deals with the fact that a
lot of blogs are giving their opinion about what really happened.
When they say "Taciti, enculo, hai solamente cio che merite" they are
quoting some (other) guy's (who believes he understands another
language) blog which has nothing to do with Le Monde.

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"UK newspaper The Times hired Jessica Rees, whose skill has had her
summoned as an expert witness at criminal trials, to study a tape of
Sunday's match in which Zidane received a red card for his seemingly
spontaneous assault.
"After an exhaustive study of the match video and with the help of an
Italian translator, Rees claimed Materazzi called Zidane 'the son of a
terrorist whore' before adding 'so just f--- off' for good measure," it
reported."
Higgs

So why didn't Zidane just fuck off then and walk away???
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More BS.  Zidane is a thug.  Deal with it.

 fear that condemning him might provoke unrest in the suburbs.
I agree, and it's the same reason for government behavior.


in other way, because zidan is mad and dangerous

 language) blog which has nothing to do with Le Monde.
1) No serious newspaper would have quoted such material. All the
bloggers/unspecified internet sources quoted put in Materazzi's mouth
ungrammatical and awakward Italian sentences.
2) Before quoting the material, any serious journalist would have
checked the credibility of the source.
4) Le Monde's article doesn't have a satirical tone. Many French
readers have taken what is being reported by LeMonde's article as a
fact. The article is indeed misleading.
5) Why did Le Monde quote only blogs that are hostile to Materazzi?

not kidding. I think if some french officials came out and strongly
condemned Zidane for his near-criminal act, some cars would burn in the
banlieues.
Concerning french newspapers, they mix fact and opinion in a biases
mix, I read them often and I've learned it's hard work to parse some
truth out of their skewed language.
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 truth out of their skewed language.
You would need to be sure you know the truth before you can affirm that
Le Monde's version is dishonest. But this is not football ;-)

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I believe you are missing the point. It seems that the piece from "le
monde" was about the public outcry about the whole Zidane headbutt
insident and not about what Materazzi actually said ot Zidane. By
quoting what is being said in blogs, the newspaper is registering what
certain members of the public are saying about it. It may be complete
nonsense but so are the things the majority of people on demonstrations
say. Should any newspaper avoid printing those comments too?
You may not enjoy listening to all those comments being made about what
Materazzi said but people are actually saying it. It shouldn't come as
a surprize if you follow this newsgroup.
Best regards
Rui Maciel
P.S.: enough already with that whole headbutt thing.

 5) Why did Le Monde quote only blogs that are hostile to Materazzi?
Have you read the article???
The two last paragraphs before "UN GESTE DE CAÏD DE VILLAGE" quote
blogs where people criticise Zidane's reaction.
"Dans la même veine, 
pourquoi-zizou.com
 laisse la parole aux
internautes. S'y retrouve un mélange surprenant de dérision,
autodérision, moqueries, rancœur, rage... " this talks about people
expressing their feelings against Zidane!
and in the last but one paragrapah, they criticise Zidane's reaction :
"alors que nombre de commentateurs restent inflexibles et ne pardonnent
pas à Zidane "un geste de caïd de village". Finalement, la discussion
prend un tour quasi-philosophique : où est la dignité de l'homme
Zidane ? Dans la violence, censée laver son honneur de l'insulte et du
racisme supposé ? Dans l'indifférence aux propos de Materazzi, quels
qu'ils soient, parce qu'en tant que sportif, médiatique de surcroît,
"la violence lui est interdite "."
So I really think you just read the part you wanted quoting it and
justifying your point of view with it.
Ciao

 blogs where people criticise Zidane's reaction.
That's true. But the article never quotes blogs/internet sources that
are pro-Materazzi. Quoting blogs that criticise Zidane's reaction is
not the same as quotiong blogs that defend Materazzi, for one might
criticise equally strongly both Matarazzi and Zidane (as it is often
the case). So there is a clear sense in which the article is biassed.
A bientot

 
Putain ça me soule les cross-posts.

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I could tell you so many instances in which Le Monde misled the reader.
You know, sometimes some facts are known by some. I'm not saying this
is only a problem with French papers.  Take the example in this thread.
Those words are not correct italian and it's clear to anyone knowing
italian that they were made up.

 say. Should any newspaper avoid printing those comments too?
Le Monde's journalist never explains that what he's quoting is
nonsense. He does himself appear to think that the quoted
pseudo-Italian sentences are meaningful, for he provides a
"translation" of them in French. This is at worst unprofessional, at
best ridicolous.

provides a "translation" of it in French.
Cette phrase c'est évidemment une oeuvre de babelfish sur une phrase
erronée au départ:
"Arrêté de tirer le maillot" à la place de "Arrête de tirer le
maillot".
Ce qui donne:
Ordinanza (arrêté prefectoral)
di tirare (de tirer - correct)
il costume (le mailllot de bain)
soit: Arrêté prefectoral (imposant) de tirer le maillot de bain.
Je doute que Zidane ne sache pas que le maillot (t-shirt), en italien
c'est "maglietta", mot qui a la même racine du français, entre autre.
Carlo

KICK OUT MATERAZZI AND RACISM OF FOOTBALL!
AND RIGHT NOW!
tamalou a écrit :
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MINCHIA CHE ROSICATA !!!!
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"Looser" 
Funny indeed.

> Funny indeed.
Yeah, you're right. Thanks.
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So because he didn't do what Materazzi told him to, it's his fault?
Higgs

 KICK OUT MATERAZZI AND RACISM OF FOOTBALL!
Well according to the cited sources in your great quote, materazzi
doesn't even speak italian. was he possessed by a foreign demon,
abducted and replaced with an android with beta language software, or...
maybe the sources are crap?