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>> 15 MILLION NEW Addresses - Just Released! <<<
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I understand that I am purchasing the Millions CD Vol. 12 e-mail address CD,
and authorize the above charge to my credit card, the addresses are not
rented,
but are mine to use for my own mailing, over-and-over.  Free bonuses are
included,
but cannot be considered part of the financial transaction.  I understand
that it is
my responsibility to comply with any laws applicable to my local area.  As
with
all software, once opened the CD may not be returned, however, if found
defective
it will be replaced with like product at no charge.
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Ho ricevuto il seguente messaggio, sono rimasto alquanto allibito sotto vari
Un mass mailing triangolare su
 
mrkt...@surfline.ad.jp
 
 
user...@wuntagic.com
 
jame...@usa.net
potrebbe essere interessante. Anche iscrivere tutte le email del Senato
USA alla loro mailing list potrebbe dare buoni risultati.
Leonardo
make: *** No rule to make target `love'.  Stop.

 USA alla loro mailing list potrebbe dare buoni risultati.
Quando ero al mare avevo tempo e mi sono fatto una cultura sullo spamming da
un punto di vista giuridico, garante della privacy e direttive europee.
Mi sono convinto che non ci libereremo mai dallo spamming proveniente dagli
USA , perche' il loro sistema giuridico e' molto diverso da quello degli
Stati europei,  l'unico modo e' bloccarlo in modo fisico, non politico.
Certo che sensibilizzare i senatori USA sullo spamming non sarebbe male, ma
in linea di massima sono contrario all'uso di internet come mezzo politico
(basti pensare a certi hackers politicizzati) e all'invadenza dei politici
su Internet (Portale di stato docet).
La cosa strana e' che il 90% dello spamming che mi arriva e' indirizzato
sempre allo stesso utente, quindi penso che quell'indirizzo e' stato
inserito su qualche elenco che si passano fra di loro gli spammers, a volte
ho quasi l'impressione che gli spammers abbiano creato una enorme mailing
list ad uso interno dove ogni spammer fornisce indirizzi da condividere con
gli altri spammers,  so di non essere paranoico ma analizzando gli indirizzi
di provenienza dei messaggi di spamming si ha questa impressione.
Ovvio che se si stampano anche i CD con gli indirizzi e' un po' dura
chiedere di venire cancellati dal loro sito, visto che i dati del CD non
sono cancellabili. Comunque da quanto ho letto gli spammers stranieri non
sono tenuti a rispettare le leggi italiane e quindi non sono obbligati a
cancellare nessun indirizzo.
Per questo mi ritengo fortunato  di abitare in Europa perche'  gli USA hanno
delle leggi molto deboli sullo spamming, non mi aspettavo molto di piu' da
una nazione incivile che consente di vendere liberamente le armi e dove la
pena di morte e' consuetudine e dove farsi giustizia da soli  a scopo di
difesa e'  giustificato nella loro costituzione.
Io mi sto convincendo che un ragazzo di terza media italiano durante la
ricreazione sarebbe capace di stilare una Costituzione migliore di quella
USA.

 politico (basti pensare a certi hackers politicizzati) e
spiega
-- 
T.H.E. Walrus
Key fingerprint = 82 90 B8 CB CD 47 10 56  36 58 0B 69 61 23 FD F2
PGP key available on keyservers

 spiega
Ultimamente avevo letto di un sito wap hackerato, mi pare 
wappi.it
.
Il ragazzo aveva scritto al webmaster che esisteva un problema di sicurezza,
il webmaster non aveva risposto.
Il ragazzo aveva insistito, allora il webmaster spazientito gli scrisse che
aveva altro da fare, il ragazzo si arrabbio' e gli sostitui' il banner
iniziale del sito wap con uno da lui preparato, ed il sito rimase cosi' per
ben 15 giorni.
La questione e' quindi la seguente, un server che ha problemi di sicurezza
deve essere lasciato stare cosi' come e' oppure si deve per forza
proteggerlo? Secondo il ragazzo e' politicamente inaccettabile che un sito
internet abbia problemi di sicurezza, perche' i problemi di sicurezza vanno
comunque risolti, invece per il proprietario esiste il diritto di non venire
visitato da estranei anche se ci sono problemi di sicurezza.
Poi ci sono quelli che fanno gli hackers per protestare contro qualcuno o
qualcosa, basti pensare al virus Timofonica che entra in Outlook Express e
manda e-mail ad un SMS server di una compagnia telefonica spagnola per
intasarlo.
Poi ci sono quelli che vanno a fare i Denial of Service verso siti
governativi per protestare contro una Societa' di cui non accettano il
sistema, ma questi non sono hackers perche' non rispecchiano l'etica hacker
e usano una tecnologia abbastanza semplice.
Se vuoi posso continuare con gli esempi di gente che vorrebbe fare l'hacker
per motivi ideologici...

 l'hacker per motivi ideologici...
si`. ma non ho capito cosa vuol dire "essere contrari all'uso politico
della rete" (che e` cosa un tantinello diversa dall'hacking, direi) 
e non ho nemmeno capito perche` ti infastidisce l'idea di un hacking
"politico" e se sei contrario all'hacking in genere o solo a quello
"politico".
e infine vorrei sapere se per te l'"hacking" si esaurisce nel cracckare
i siti o se non sia qualcosa di un tantinello piu` complesso.
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