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Titolo: German restitution bid stirs outrage in Poland

e dopo i revanscisti fascisti che vogliono riprendersi Istria, Dalmazia
eccetera ecco rispuntare anche i revanscisti in salsa prussiana.
 
          German restitution bid stirs outrage in Poland
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By Tom Hundley Tribune foreign correspondent
As next year's 60th anniversary of World War II's conclusion gets closer, it
has become the fashion in Germany to describe the Allied victory over
Hitler's Third Reich as the beginning of Germany's "liberation" from
fascism.
Some have taken the logic a step further, arguing that Germans, too, were
victims of a war that claimed 4.2million German lives and left their country
in ruins.
But to many it was a step too far when one German group announced plans to
go to court to seek restitution for German property losses in Poland, the
first country invaded by Hitler.
That struck some as a bit like the boy who murders his parents and then begs
the court for mercy because he's an orphan. Poles were outraged, and the
Polish parliament retaliated by voting unanimously to demand war reparations
from Germany.
The parliamentary resolution carries no legal weight, and in the interest of
harmony within the European Union (news - web sites), both governments are
doing their best to ignore it. But analysts predict that given the intensity
of feelings on both sides of the Oder River, the issue will not soon fade.
In the chaos after Hitler's defeat, more than 13 million Germans were
expelled from lands where they had lived for centuries. About 7 million lost
their homes when Poland's borders shifted west. Three million Sudeten
Germans were evicted from what then was Czechoslovakia. Others were pushed
out of traditional German settlements along the Danube River in Yugoslavia
and Hungary. Tens of thousands died in the process.
The court action is being undertaken by a group called the Prussian Claims
Society, which says it represents the descendants of property owners in the
former German territories that were given to Poland when its borders were
redrawn by the Allies.
"Why is it a crime against humanity only when Germans expel people?" said
Rudi Pawelka, a retired senior police officer who heads the society. "It's
unfair to use two different yardsticks. The law has to be the same for
everybody."
Outside Germany there is a sense that whatever Germans may have suffered,
they were the architects of their own misery.
Pawelka was 4 in February 1945 when he and his mother evacuated their
apartment in Breslau--now the Polish city of Wroclaw--ahead of the advancing
Soviet army.
Pawelka and others in the group have likened their plight to that of
Palestinians and Bosnians who were expelled from their homelands. They have
described their forced exit as "ethnic cleansing" and accused Poland,
generally regarded as a victim of Nazi aggression, of being "co-responsible"
for the start of World War II and of "annexing" German territory.
Andrzej Byrt, Poland's ambassador in Berlin, called that a "dramatic abuse
of language and history."
But the Prussian Claims Society is plowing ahead. Now that Poland is a full
member of the European Union, Pawelka said his group would take its case to
Polish courts and to the European Court of Human Rights.
"The signal has to be sent around the world that expulsions do not pay," he
said. "A state which expels people cannot get away with it."
The German government has tried to distance itself from the group's claims.
Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who visited Poland last month for ceremonies
marking the 60th anniversary of the failed Warsaw Rising and the city's
subsequent destruction by the Nazis, said his government would oppose any
lawsuits filed by the group. But Schroeder also criticized the Polish
parliament's demand for reparations.
The Polish government, which has little interest in provoking tensions with
its EU neighbor and main trading partner, is downplaying the significance of
the parliamentary resolution.
 
Byrt, the ambassador, said that while the parliament's resolution was an
"understandable" response to the German group's demands, it did not reflect
the position of Poland's government, which considers the matter of war
reparations to be closed.
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 eccetera ecco rispuntare anche i revanscisti in salsa prussiana.
fascista sarai tu!

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fino a prova contraria sei tu, fesso, che posti articoli di dichiarati
fascisti del '43.
Sei talmente cialtrone che ora negherai pure...
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 Sei talmente cialtrone che ora negherai pure...
E' mai possibile che bisogna subito passare all'insulto, contro-insulto, 
contro-contro-insulto?
Per Sergio: sarebbe stato molto piu' costruttivo postare l'articolo in 
inglese (di cui ringrazio) con un commento volto ad inquadrare anche i 
fatti.
IMHO si puo' osservare dalla parte tedescaa che tali richieste di 
restituzione di terre in Polonia sono piu' che comprensibili da parte di 
persone che nella maggior parte non erano responsabili delle colpe della 
guerra e che si sono trovate a ricominciare tutto da capo e che cio' non 
merita la qualifica di fascista. Da parte polacca e' piu' che legittima 
  tale reazione tenendo conto che non essendoci stato alcun trattato di 
pace con la Germania non ci furono riparazioni di guerra (cosa che 
invece avvenne tra Italia e ex Jugoslavia). Chi ha visto come me la 
citta di Varsavia com'e' oggi e com'era in fotografia prima della guerra 
e i campi di Oswiecim (Auschwitz-Birkenau) capisce subito che se si 
comincia la guerra delle rivendicazioni non si finisce piu'. Tra l'altro 
non so se sapete che tali dispute poi si presentano anche all'interno 
dei singoli paesi. Per es. a Varsavia periodicamente viene fuori il 
problema delle rivendicazioni dell'appartenenza dei terreni dell'ex 
ghetto e dell'enorme spianata che ospita al centro il famoso Palazzo 
della Cultura in stile vetero sovietico ("dono" di Stalin alla Polonia).
Ciao
Franco

 fatti.
imho si capiscono da soli senza commenti. Tuttavia c'e' sempre tempo per
farli.
 ciao
s.
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 Sei talmente cialtrone che ora negherai pure...
mi domando che tipo di persona possa essere uno che sa dare solo del
cialtrone...ti compatisco...

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una persona obiettiva e oggettiva se il cialtrone e' rivolto a te.
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 ha scritto nel messaggio
news:80Z181Z48Z97Y1...@usenet.libero.it...
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guarda: essere chiamato cialtrone da te non può che essere un complimento...

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goditelo appieno allora sto "complimento" perche' te lo meriti davvero.
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 goditelo appieno allora sto "complimento" perche' te lo meriti davvero.
grazie Sergio...continua cosě

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che lo sei lo dimostri con gli articoli dei vari fascisti che posti.
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 ha scritto nel messaggio
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Plonk!