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Titolo: Perchè?

Perchè nonostante i tanti titoli vinti da nadalito, e tutti quelli che 
vincerà a mani
basse (roma e RG), la sua strapotenza da ormai un anno solare, e la sua 
giovane
età, nessuno lo propone come tra i più grandi di tutti i tempi?
scusate ma ci avete scartavetrato le balle con federer il migliore, il re, 
il + forte
etc etc etc.... beh? rafaelito non se lo caga nessuno?
no, così, tanto per curiosità....
sciaoooooooo
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penso dipenda dal diverso tipo di tennis espresso da Federer e Nadal.
Sublime quello di Federer, più da pallettaro (ma assolutamente devastante) 
quello dello spagnolo 

 quello dello spagnolo
sublime perchè? perchè è + elegante? allora in questo caso stai parlando di
un mero gusto estetico....
borg che non era certo uno S&V, credo che sia annoverato tra i migliori del
nostro sport.... e allora come funziona? 

Thunder, dai tempo al tempo e poi vedrai che anche Nadal sarà
considerato uno dei più grandi, ricordati che Nadal a parte la terra
rossa, ha iniziato a vincere 1 anno fa.
In ogni caso, condivido il commento di MakB, sul puro gusto estetico,
ma se non bastasse ti allego un "paio" di motivi per cui si parla di
del RE Federer.
- In 2001, Federer ended Pete Sampras's 31-match winning streak at
Wimbledon in the fourth round of the tournament.[1]
- Federer's victory at the 2004 US Open marked the first time in the
open era that anyone had won his first four Grand Slam singles finals.
[2] He eventually won his first seven Grand Slam singles finals before
losing to Rafael Nadal in the 2006 French Open final.[3] Only Federer,
American Richard Sears, and Briton William Renshaw won their first
seven Grand Slam singles finals.[2] As of February 1, 2009, Federer
has won 13 of his 18 Grand Slam singles finals (72.35 percent).
Sampras won 14 of 18 (77.8 percent), Borg won 11 of 16 (68.7 percent),
and Ivan Lendl won 8 of 19 (42.1 percent).[4]
- At the 2006 Australian Open, Federer became the first man to win
three consecutive Grand Slam singles titles since Pete Sampras in
1993-94.[5] Federer repeated this feat at the 2007 Australian Open,
making him the only man to do this twice in the open era.[6]
- Federer won five consecutive men's singles titles at Wimbledon
(2003-07), a feat accomplished only by Borg in the open era.[5]
- Federer has reached a male record 19 consecutive Grand Slam singles
semifinals (2004 Wimbledon through the 2009 Australian Open). The
previous male record of 10 consecutive Grand Slam singles semifinals
was held by Lendl (1985 US Open through the 1988 Australian Open).[7]
Federer in 2006 became the first man since Rod Laver in 1969 to reach
the final of all Grand Slam singles tournaments during a calendar
year. He repeated this feat in 2007, becoming the only man to do it
two years consecutively.[5]
- By reaching the singles final of the 2006 French Open, his eighth
consecutive Grand Slam singles final, Federer broke the previous male
record of seven consecutive Grand Slam singles finals set in 1934[8]
by Australian Jack Crawford. He subsequently extended his own male
record by appearing in the final of the 2007 Wimbledon Championships
and 2007 US Open making this ten.[9] His run was stopped by a
semifinal loss to Novak Djokovic at the 2008 Australian Open. Steffi
Graf appeared in a record 13 consecutive Grand Slams singles finals,
from the 1987 French Open through the 1990 French Open.
- With winning the 2007 Australian Open, Federer won his sixth Grand
Slam singles title in his last seven attempts, a record for the open
era.
- At the 2007 Australian Open, Federer became just the fourth man in
the open era to win a Grand Slam singles title without dropping a set.
The last man to do this was Borg at the 1980 French Open.[5] The only
other man to win the Australian Open during the open era without
dropping a set was Ken Rosewall in 1971.[10]
By winning the 2007 Australian Open, Federer became the only male
tennis player to win three different Grand Slam singles tournaments at
least three times each (Australian Open: 3 times; Wimbledon: 5 times;
US Open: 5 times).[11]
- Federer won his 11th consecutive Grand Slam singles match in
straight sets when he defeated Mikhail Youzhny in the fourth round of
the 2007 French Open. This tied John McEnroe's open era record for the
most consecutive straight-set victories in Grand Slam singles
tournaments.[citation needed] He then won his 36th consecutive Grand
Slam singles set when he won the first set in the quarterfinals
against Tommy Robredo at the 2007 French Open.
- Federer is also the only male player during the open era to win at
five consecutive singles titles at both Wimbledon and the US Open.
Federer is the second male player to win two different Grand Slam
tournaments at least four times consecutively (Wimbledon and the US
Open). Borg was the first male to achieve this feat (French Open and
Wimbledon).[12]
- Federer is the only male player in history to have won the same two
Grand Slam singles titles in four consecutive years (2004-07 Wimbledon
and 2004-07 US Open).
- Federer's two streaks of 27 consecutive Grand Slams singles wins is
2 short of the male record set by Laver set in 1969-70.[13]
- By winning the 2008 US Open, Federer now holds the open era record
for most consecutive US Open titles at five (2004-08).[14] The
previous open era record for a male player was three consecutive US
Open titles by both Lendl and McEnroe.[15]
- Federer and Nadal are the only No. 1 and 2 pair to contest back-to-
back the French Open and Wimbledon finals for three consecutive years
(2006-08).[16] They met again in the 2009 Australian Open final, thus
becoming the second pair to face each other in seven Grand Slam
singles finals, after Bill Tilden and William Johnston (1919-25). [17]
Federer and Nadal are the only No. 1 and 2 pair who won at least 11
consecutive Grand Slam singles tournaments between them, starting from
the 2005 French Open through the 2007 US Open. In this period, Federer
won 3 consecutive titles at both Wimbledon and the US Open and 2
consecutive titles at the Australian Open, while Nadal won 3
consecutive French Open titles.[18]
- Federer won his first 12 Grand Slam singles finals outside of the
French Open, a record for the open era.[citation needed] This streak
included three titles at the Australian Open, five at Wimbledon, and
four at the US Open.[19] His only three losses in Grand Slam singles
finals during this time came at the French Open to Nadal.
- During the open era, only Federer has appeared in the final of each
Grand Slam singles tournament at least three times.[20]
- Federer and Sampras have appeared in 18 Grand Slam singles finals.
Among male players, only Lendl (19) has appeared in more Grand Slam
singles finals during the open era.[21]
- Federer has won 13 Grand Slam singles titles, which is second all-
time to Sampras's 14 titles.[22]
- During the open era, only Federer (2003-08), Sampras (1993-2000),
and Borg (1974-81) have won at least one Grand Slam title for at least
six consecutive years.
- During the open era, only two pairs of players have played each
other in the final of the same Grand Slam singles tournament three
consecutive years: Becker-Edberg (Wimbledon 1988-90) and Federer-Nadal
(French Open 2006-08 and Wimbledon 2006-08).[23]
- During the open era, only Federer and Lendl have appeared in at
least two consecutive finals of all four Grand Slam singles
tournaments.
- During the open era, only Federer (2006-08), Nadal (2005-08), Jim
Courier (1991-93), Lendl (1984-87), and Borg (1978-81) have appeared
in at least three consecutive French Open singles finals.
- During the open era, only Federer (2004-08), Lendl (1982-89), and
Connors (1974-78) have reached at least five consecutive US Open men
singles finals.
- During the open era, only Federer (2003-08)[24] and Borg (1976-81)
have appeared in six consecutive Wimbledon singles finals.
- During the open era, only Federer (2006-08), Nadal (2006-08), and
Borg (1978-81) have appeared in French Open and Wimbledon finals in
the same year for three or more consecutive years.
- Federer is the only male player to appear in five consecutive finals
at two different Grand Slams(2003-08 Wimbledon and 2004-08 US Open).
- Federer is the only male player during the open era who was a French
Open runner-up for three consecutive years (2006-08).
- Federer has defeated ten different opponents in Grand Slam singles
finals, a male record.[citation needed]
- In 18 Grand Slam singles finals, only Nadal has extended Federer to
five sets (2007 Wimbledon, 2008 Wimbledon, 2009 Australian Open).
- Federer and Lendl are the only players to have won two consecutive
Tennis Masters Cup titles twice in their careers.
- Both Federer (2003-07) and Ilie Năstase (1971-75) have appeared in
five consecutive Tennis Masters Cup finals, with Lendl appearing in a
record nine consecutive finals (1980-88).
- Both Federer and Năstase have won 4 Tennis Masters Cup titles in 5
years.
- Federer won 29 consecutive Tennis Masters Series matches before he
lost to Rafael Nadal in the final of the 2006 Masters Series Monte-
Carlo.[5]
- By winning the 2006 Nasdaq 100 Open title, Federer became the only
player to win the first two Tennis Masters Series events of the year
two years in a row.[25]
- Federer has won 14 Tennis Masters Series singles titles.
- Both Federer and Chang have won three titles at the BNP Pariabas
Open in Indian Wells, California, but Federer is the only one to win
three in a row.
- Federer is the first player to be ranked World No. 1 for four
consecutive (non-calendar) years[26] from February 2, 2004, through
August 18, 2008.
- As of June 30, 2008, Federer has been the top ranked player on the
ATP computer for a record[27] 231 consecutive weeks.[28]
- Federer is the first player to be ranked No. 1 for more than 200
consecutive weeks, thus surpassing Steffi Graf for the all-time record
of 186 consecutive weeks among all tennis players, male or female. On
February 26, 2007, he surpassed Connors's all-time record for most
consecutive weeks (160) atop the men's rankings.[5] Only Connors (268
weeks, top ranked nine separate periods), Lendl (270 weeks, top ranked
eight separate periods) and Sampras (286 weeks, top ranked eleven
separate periods) have spent more weeks in total as top ranked players
on the ATP list [29] [30]
- Federer in 2007 became the fifth man since the inception of the ATP
computer rankings in 1973 to be year-end number one four times (Jimmy
Connors, John McEnroe, Ivan Lendl, and Pete Sampras were the others).
[31]
- Federer is the fifth player in the history of the ATP computer
rankings to be the top ranked player every week during a calendar year
(2005, 2006, and 2007). The others are Jimmy Connors, Ivan Lendl, Pete
Sampras, and Lleyton Hewitt.[5]
ehmmmm mi sono stufato di fare copia e incolla, quindi continua qui
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Roger_Federer

 quello dello spagnolo
non credo proprio, se mai la differenza la fanno giustamente il doppio degli 
slam  vinti. 


ancora è presto, Roger li ha vinti 13 slam, Rafa è a quota 6, penso debba 
vincerne altrettanti, o andarci molto vicino per effettuare quel paragone, 
il tempo ci dirà, comunque direi che è ufficialmente tra i grandi del 
tennis. 

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Thunder, dai tempo al tempo e poi vedrai che anche Nadal sarà
considerato uno dei più grandi, ricordati che Nadal a parte la terra
rossa, ha iniziato a vincere 1 anno fa.
In ogni caso, condivido il commento di MakB, sul puro gusto estetico,
ma se non bastasse ti allego un "paio" di motivi per cui si parla di
del RE Federer.
dai il gusto estetico è soggettivo, le vittorie invece sono un fatto 
oggettivo, ancora è sopra Roger, in futuro non si sa, onestamente un paio di 
anni fa ti avrei detto che Rafa non si sarebbe mai accostato a Roger, oggi 
non ne sono più cosi sicuro, se continua cosi, può vincere anche 3 slam 
l'anno, per un paio di anni ,ed ecco li che ci siamo. 

 no, così, tanto per curiosità....
Secondo me è una questione di tempo.
Nadal solo l'anno scorso si è allargato "oltre il RG". Gli anni prima quello 
era il suo unico Slam. Se quest'anno fa 3 su 4 già se ne può parlare, se lo 
ripeterà per un paio di anni di fila, sicuramente, com'è stato per Federer 
che l'ha fatto per 3 anni di fila, se ne parlerà.
Ripeto, per me è prettamente una questione di "tempo". 

 il + forte
A chi ti riferisci? Chi è che ha scartavetrato le balle? A chi? Qualche link
a post del passato che magari mi sono sfuggiti?
E' così semplice: RF era il migliore finchè era il n 1, ora il migliore è
l'altro. Fine del discorso.
M.

 degli slam  vinti.
vero.... ma se continua cosě tra 3 anni il gap č colmato e superato.... 

 vero.... ma se continua così tra 3 anni il gap è colmato e superato.... 
ecco. tre anni sono un'eternità. tre anni fa federer doveva vincere 
(almeno) 17 slam.
eraclito

 un mero gusto estetico....
per sublime intendo:
- perfezione nell'esecuzione del gesto;
- eleganza dei movimenti;
- varietà di gioco e soluzioni (Federer vinse nel 2003 a Wimbledon facendo 
l'80% di    serve&volley...poi il tennis è cambiato e lo svizzero con 
lui..);
... poi è chiaro che ogni cosa a questo mondo è soggettiva, tranne il 
semplice conto delle vittorie 

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 Ergo è il più forte giocatore di tutti i tempi.
Da un certo punto di vista... Agree
M.