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Titolo: G8 ancora - un anno fa

giova, secondo me, che vi riporti quello che scriveva piu` o meno un
anno fa l'Independent, quotidiano piuttosto autorevole da queste parti.
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Mark Steel: I've no time for these hooligans who go around being killed
'Maybe the driver went to press the indicator and instead pressed the
trigger of a pistol ? twice'
26 July 2001
da: The Independent
A young protester is shot dead in Genoa, so the politicians agree we
must all condemn the violence of the protesters. Perhaps it is a
recognised psychological disease, to think that when someone is killed
it's due to the violence of the killed person. Perhaps it has a name,
like "confused murderer/murdered syndrome". Maybe those who suffer from
this neurosis start by sitting through episodes of Inspector Morse,
thinking: "I hope they catch that bloke who got killed at the
beginning."
Blair's response was, in effect, to say: "I utterly condemn the
behaviour of those people who flouted our democracy by being shot.
They'll say they were exercising their democratic right to be shot, but
if they can't be shot peacefully they have no right to be shot at all."
Typical was the macabre discussion on the night of the shooting, about
the police vehicle that ran over the protester after he'd been shot.
Statements were issued insisting that running over the body had been an
accident. So, let's give the police the benefit of the doubt on that
one. Now they only have to prove that shooting him twice through the
head was an accident and they're clear. Maybe the driver went to turn
left, and instead of pressing the indicator he got confused and pressed
the trigger of a loaded pistol - twice. After all, you know what the
Italians are like at driving.
What the debate about running him over tends to miss out slightly is
that he was already bloody dead. It's killing a live body that makes
someone a murderer, not damaging one that's already dead. Or is this a
common mistake? Perhaps there are books that claim: "I know who killed
JFK. It was a priest who lowered his body into the ground inside a
wooden box."
Equally perplexing is the debate around whether the police
"over-reacted". To give an example, one night they raided the official
centre of the Genoa Social Forum, an organisation that no one is
claiming was linked with violence. According to witnesses, part of this
centre was a building site, but the Italian police declared they were
considering whether to charge them all with "possessing offensive
weapons" as there were poles and other building-related objects nearby.
If this is normal, it must make it extremely difficult to get anything
built in Italy.
Having builders round your house must be like holding a teenage party at
which everyone's smoking dope. Every now and then a police van pulls up
outside and the plasterer starts screaming and trying to flush his
chisel down the toilet. Maybe this explains the leaning tower of Pisa.
The builder thought: "I'm taking enough of a risk with the screwdriver,
I'm not going up there with a spirit level as well."
The trouble is that every witness agrees that every person in the
building was severely beaten. One BBC reporter said that when he arrived
he could see pools of blood at regular intervals throughout the
building, suggesting each person had been attacked while sleeping.
Several witnesses told of the police returning to "hose away the blood."
The British pair Nicola Docherty and Richard Moth, who fled the
demonstration when the police charged, were among those beaten, and
their whereabouts were not released, not even to the British consulate.
After three days it was revealed that Nicola had a broken wrist and
Richard had stitches in his head, though they were still denied contact
with anyone, including their distraught parents. Many of those beaten
are still unaccounted for, prompting the Italian press to dub the
incident "the Chilean night".
So, did the police "over-react"? Is it possible to over-react to a room
full of people who are asleep? Perhaps they were sleeping in a manner
liable to cause a breach of the peace. Maybe Milosevic should try this -
"You might think there's nothing wrong with Kosovars, but you haven't
seen them when they're asleep? Alright, so maybe I over-reacted but all
that tossing and turning, I tell you, anyone would have done the same."
There was a section of the demonstration that set out for a bundle, the
notorious Black Block, and the police claim that at every incident in
which they've been accused of violence, the Black Block were present -
though one piece of news footage showed a line of gay rights campaigners
in pink furry costumes, dancing a chorus line while waving brightly
coloured balloons. Then, like lions arriving amongst a herd of jolly
wildebeestes, the Black Block began to prowl nearby. Within moments the
police attacked the whole crowd and the viewer could see gay rights
protesters being belted with truncheons as orange balloons floated above
a cloud of tear gas. I know that in the heat of battle things can get
confused, but there must be something in police training to assist
officers in distinguishing between rock-throwing anarchists and a line
of blokes dressed as teddy bears performing the theme from Oklahoma!.
None of this is condemned by Tony Blair, neither the batons nor stitches
nor pools of blood nor illegal detentions or shooting - for he only
condemns the violence.
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ci va carattere e fisarmonica, senso del brivido e solitudine
per fare Musica, la grande Musica con gli occhi a mandorla
e non si sa perche'... e non si sa perche'.

Italieni › In primo piano
Cronaca
G8, un anno dopo
Sabato 20 luglio centomila persone sono scese in piazza a Genova per
ricordare Carlo Giuliani e i tragici avvenimenti del G8 del 2001. Accanto
alla cronaca della giornata, Eric Jozsef sul quotidiano francese Libération
nota come "per gli organizzatori l'ampiezza della manifestazione costituisca
un successo inaspettato, dopo che, nell'arco di un anno, le diverse
componenti del movimento hanno moltiplicato i motivi di dissenso interno".
Sulle violenze delle forze dell'ordine, "il governo italiano cerca di
minimizzare", scrive ancora Jozsef in un secondo articolo. "Genova aspetta
ancora le conclusioni delle inchieste sul summit del luglio 2001". Si nota
"l’assenza di un'indagine approfondita per ricostruire il quadro generale e
la dinamica degli scontri". La commissione parlamentare parla di un vertice
"riuscito": "I rapporti fanno riferimento ad alcune 'carenze' da parte delle
forze dell'ordine e, nel caso del blitz al liceo Diaz, di eccessi
individuali".
"La perizia definitiva sulla morte di Giuliani non è ancora stata
depositata. Il carabiniere indagato, Mario Placanica, che da allora vende
interviste ai media per decine di migliaia di euro, invoca la legittima
difesa". Non è finita. Molti agenti sono stati accusati per le violenze
compiute sotto l'occhio delle telecamere. Ma sul blitz alla Diaz e le
sevizie di Bolzaneto "è impossibile identificare i responsabil". Nessun
agente è stato sospeso. "Molti di loro", conclude Jozsef, "a cominciare da
Antonio La Barbera, sono stati promossi".
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Cronaca
La trappola della polizia
29 lug 2002 - Le due bottiglie molotov rinvenute un anno fa dalla polizia
italiana durante la perquisizione della scuola Diaz di Genova, sede del
movimento noglobal durante il G8, furono collocate all'interno dell'edificio
da un agente di polizia. È stato lo stesso agente a confessarlo, dicendo di
aver solo obbedito agli ordini dei suoi superiori.
http://www.elpais.es/articulo.html?d_date=20020729&xref=20020729elpepiint_6&type=Tes&anchor=elpepiin
La policía tendió una trampa en Génova a grupos antiglobalización
SERGIO MORA | Roma
Los dos cócteles molotov hallados hace un año por la policía italiana en
Génova, durante un registro del local que servía de sede al movimiento
antiglobalización contra el G-8, fueron colocados por un agente. Así lo
anticipó ayer la edición digital del diario La Repubblica, en una
información sobre el 'intento de justificar con el hallazgo de los
explosivos la represión de las fuerzas de seguridad' en Génova, en la que
murió un joven manifestante.Durante el registro policial en la Escuela Díaz,
sede del movimiento antiglobalización en Génova, fueron detenidas 93
personas, 13 de ellas de nacionalidad española, en una operación policial
que se saldó con 63 heridos.
Un agente de 25 años, cuya identidad no fue revelada (sólo se le identifica
con las siglas A. B.) ha denunciado a un funcionario policial por ordenarle
poner dentro de la sede antiglobalización dos cócteles molotov que habían
sido abandonados en la calle por grupos de manifestantes violentos. 'Los
molotov los puse yo; me lo habían ordenado', ha afirmado el joven agente
ante el fiscal que dirige la investigación sobre los excesos policiales en
la cumbre del G-8.
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 G8, un anno dopo
E basta, dai.

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no, non basta. Le manganellate fanno male. Sopratutto se le prendi senza una
colpa.
Sai qual'é la differenza fra gli squadristi del ventennio e quelli del G8?
Che i primi erano pagati dagli agrari e i secondi sono pagati dallo Stato,
cioè con i soldi di tutti.

 cioè con i soldi di tutti.
E la differenza tra i partigiani e le teste di cazzo come te?
Loro rischiavano la vita (ed in qualche caso la perdevano) per liberare
l'Italia.
Tu invece scassi la minchia.

Tu invece scassi la minchia.
.... belin Beppe ....... fine e tagliente come la lama della mia
"pattada" da 40 cm. ....  :-)))))))))))))))
Byez
Nico

 cacchio e' la pattada? :-)
Mai stato in Sardegna?
Fulmo

 "pattada" da 40 cm. ....  :-)))))))))))))))
Speravo che quel pezzo di cacca di 1816 risopndesse offeso e mi accusasse
di essere volgare e di non avere argomenti per confutare le sue tesi
vetero-staliniste.
Purtroppo quell'idiota stara' leggendo qualche elzeviro a caccia di un
articolo
che parli male di Berlusconi per poi potercelo copincollare.
Ma... mi scusi, egregio esimio Dott. Cammell. Lavastovigl. Ing. Nico: che
cacchio e' la pattada? :-)
Ciao Beppino Belino.

Ciao Beppino Belino.
... belin Beppino ! >:-]
Byez
Nico

 Tu invece scassi la minchia.
e tu non leggermi!
chi ti obbliga a farlo?
forse speri di trovare qualcosa di nuovo nei miei messaggi?
non è da ieri che posto, non è da ieri che mi conosci.
Sai cosa aspettarti dai miei messaggi.
O forse leggermi te l'ha ordinato il dottore?