Newsgroup: it.comp.macintosh
Titolo: URGENTE: Grave Problema con Norton 5 o System 8.6

Antefatto: sei mesi fa, dopo un banale problema con una partizione,
Norton Disk Doctor  4.0 me l'aveva "riparata" ed era sparita: successivi
tentativi di riparazione "riparavano" certi errori, o non ne trovavano,
ma poi il programma si arrestava per un "errore sconosciuto".
Ieri ho ricevuto il CD della Norton 5.0. Ha immediatamente risolto il
problema della partizione scomparsa, ma... adesso mi da un altro
inconveniente, come potete vedere dall'allegato report.
Avendo acquistato un disco IBM ATA/66 da 13.5 GB, l'ho formattato con
Apple Disk Setup, dividendolo in 6 partizioni HFS+ (una HFS da 650 Mb
per i CD). Ho trasferito il contenuto di una partizione di 2,6 Gb dal
disco SCSI che avevo in una di esse e dopo un po' di tempo una verifica
automatica con Disk Doctor mi ha segnalato dei problemi, decine di
problemi alla struttura delle directory, forward link, backward link,
record out of order, incorrect key e chi più ne ha più ne metta.
Ho allora inizializzato il disco, ho trasferito nuovamente tutto e,
APPENA finito di copiare ho verificato ancora con Disk Doctor: mi da una
serie lunghissima di errori che correggo uno per uno e, alla fine, mi
dice che non può proseguire a causa di un errore sconosciuto (il numero
dell'errore varia costantemente ma inizia sempre per 23xxx. Anche gli
errori che rileva cambiano, anche se talvolta ne rivedo qualcuno che mi
sembra di aver visto in precedenza.
Passo allora a Disk First Aid: MI DA UNA SERIE DI ERRORI OGNI VOLTA
DIVERSI SENZA CHE IO GLI ABBIA DETTO DI CORREGGERLI, solo ripetendo
tante volte "Verifica". E qualche volta DICE CHE IL DISCO E' OK!!!
CORREZIONE: ADESSO L'ERRORE E' RIPETIBILE, MA GIURO CHE PRIMA SI
COMPORTAVA COME DESCRITTO SOPRA: adesso dice sempre:
Problema:  “key” fuori posto, 4, 232
Test ultimato: ci sono problemi, ma Disk First Aid non può ripararli.
    PS: Ho provato adesso a fare "aggiustare" il disco a NDD e poi a
controllare con DFA: l'errore
        cambia (la chiave fuori posto ha un indirizzo diverso).
Ho copiato migliaia di documenti in un'altra partizione e invece li
tutto bene. Questa è piu' piccola della prima, può centrarci?
Che sta succedendo? E' stregato il disco, Norton, 8.6 o che C?*!$§!!!
Comunque le Norton dopo le 3.5 sono una vera merda, quasi peggio di zio
Bill (e anche loro hanno un monopolio..)
Tengo a precisare che le altre partizioni non danno errori.
La macchina è un G3 blu 350MHz con system 8.6. Cosa strana, Apple Disk
Setup non ha "riconosciuto" il disco (credo perché non ha rom apple) ma
l'ha formattato in un attimo (sono 13.5Gb mai visto niente di simile),
ma le partizioni risultanti si montano, si leggono, si scrivono (circa).
E io sono disperato.
Maurizio Maggiore
Norton Disk Doctor 5.0 Disk Examination Report
Disk: Blob IBM
Sab, 6 nov 1999, 13:12
An unknown error occurred that prevented Norton Disk Doctor from fully
scanning this disk.
All problems were fixed.
Check for Defective Media
This step was stopped before it completed.
Check Partition Map
No problems found.
Check Disk Information
This step was stopped before it completed.
Check Catalog Tree
This step was stopped before it completed.
A major error was found in the header node of the Catalog B-tree.
The last leaf node number is incorrect.
(10,2,19)
The B-tree was rebuilt.
A major error was found in an index record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 1051 (level 2), record 10
The record has an incorrect key.
(10,4,11)
The B-tree was rebuilt.
A major error was found in an index record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 6075 (level 2), record 1
The index record has an incorrect downlink.
(10,4,16)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in an index record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 6075 (level 2), record 1
The record has an incorrect key.
(10,4,11)
The B-tree was rebuilt.
A major error was found in an index record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 1977 (level 2), record 6
The record has an incorrect key.
(10,4,11)
The B-tree was rebuilt.
A major error was found in an index record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 4031 (level 2), record 0
The index record has an incorrect downlink.
(10,4,16)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in an index record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 5807 (level 3), record 6
The record has an incorrect key.
(10,4,11)
The B-tree was rebuilt.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 1137, record 0
The record is out of order.
(10,5,13)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 5424, record 0
The record is out of order.
(10,5,13)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 211, record 0
The record is out of order.
(10,5,13)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 510, record 3
The record is out of order.
(10,5,13)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 1137, record 0
The record is out of order.
(10,5,13)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 211, record 0
The record is out of order.
(10,5,13)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 348, record 2
The record is out of order.
(10,5,13)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 1137, record 0
The record is out of order.
(10,5,13)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf node of the Catalog B-tree.
Node 5923
The node has an incorrect record count.
(10,5,5)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 211, record 0
The record is out of order.
(10,5,13)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 1137, record 0
The record is out of order.
(10,5,13)
The problem was fixed.
A major error was found in a leaf record in the Catalog B-tree.
Node 1172, record 4
The record has an incorrect key.
(10,5,11)
The problem was fixed.
Check Extents Tree
This step was stopped before it completed.
Check Files
This step was skipped.
Check System Folder
This step was skipped.
System Information for the Boot Disk
System Version: 8.6
Owner Name: MM
Machine Name: MM (computer)
Boot Volume: CD Ready
Processor: PowerPC 750 (G3)
Built-in Memory: 192 MB
32-Bit Addressing: Yes
Logical RAM: 198 MB
ROM Version: $0000077D
Disk Information for: Blob IBM
Volume Size: 4 GB
Allocation Blocks start at sector: 19
Allocation Block Size: 63,5K
Mounted: Yes
Driver Installed: Yes
Partition Map Style: New style (IM V)
Partition Size: 4 GB
Media Type: ATA Device
Total Sectors of the device: 26520480
Physical Sector Size: 512 bytes
Partition Name: senza titolo 3
Partition Type: Apple_HFS
Partition Valid: Yes
Is HFS/HFS+ Partition: Yes
Partition Number: 7
Total Partitions: 11
Starting Sector of Partition: 8424015
Number of Sectors in Volume: 8307760
Extensions Folder
 Estensione GE, 4.0.3
 •Estensione Ambiente• , 1.0.1
Apple Built-In Ethernet, 1.0.5
Apple CD-ROM, 5.4.2
Apple Color SW Pro CMM, 1.0.1
Apple Ethernet NB, 1.0.3
Apple Photo Access, 5.2
AppleScriptLib, 1.2.2
AppleScript™, 1.1.2
AppleShare, 3.7.4
Audio CD Access, 5.1
Color Picker, 2.1.1
Color SW 1500, 2.2.1
Color SW 2500, 2.2.1
Color SW Pro, 1.5.2
ColorSync™, 2.1.2
Estensione Condivisione, 7.6.2
Estensione Menu Contestuali, 1.0.1
EtherTalk Phase 2, 2.5.7
Foreign File Access, 5.2
Guida 8.1 Extra, 1.0
Guida Apple, 2.2.1
Guida Energia Extra, 1.1.2
Guida Macintosh, 1.4.1
Guida Open Transport Extra, 1.5
Guida SimpleText, 1.0.2
High Sierra File Access, 5.2
Info su Guida Apple, 1.4
Internet Access, 1.0.1
Internet Config Extension, 1.3
ISO 9660 File Access, 5.2
LaserWriter 8, 8.5.1
Libreria Condivisione Documenti, 8.0
Open Tpt AppleTalk Library, 1.3
Open Tpt Internet Library, 1.3
Open Transport Library, 1.3
OpenTpt Modem, 1.0.1
OpenTpt Remote Access, 1.0.1
OpenTpt Serial Arbitrator, 1.0.1
OpenTptAppleTalkLib, 1.3
OpenTptInternetLib, 1.3
OpenTransportLib, 1.3
PowerPC Monitor Extension, 7.5
PrintingLib, 8.5.1
PrintMonitor, 7.1.2
PrintMonitor Scrivania, 2.1
QuickTime™, 2.5
QuickTime™ MPEG Extension, 1.0
QuickTime™ Musical Instruments, 2.5
QuickTime™ PowerPlug, 2.5
QuickTime™ VR, 2.0.1
Shared Library Manager, 2.0.1
Shared Library Manager PPC, 2.0.1
SOMobjects™ for Mac OS, 2.0.8
Spooler Stampanti Scrivania, 2.1
SystemAV, 1.3.3
Text Encoding Converter, 1.3
UDF Volume Access, 1.0
Video Out Default (PAL), 0.0
Video Startup, 1.7.1
°AppleVision, 1.5.2
Control Panels Folder
Ambiente, 1.0.1
AppleTalk, 1.1
Auto Accensione, 1.1
Condivisione Documenti, 8.0
Controlli Generali, 7.7
Data & Ora, 8.0.1
Disco di Avvio, 7.6.2
Gestione Estensioni, 4.0.3
Impostazioni QuickTime™, 2.5
Mac OS Easy Open, 1.1.3
Mappamondo, 7.5.1
Memoria, 7.5.9
Modem, 1.0.1
Mouse, 7.5.4
Numeri, 7.1
Opzioni Menu Apple, 1.1.3
PC Exchange, 2.2.1
PPP, 1.0.1
Profilo di Sistema ColorSync™, 2.1
Pulsantiera, 3.1
Scelta Tastiera, 8.0
Sfondi Scrivania, 1.0.1
Striscia di Controllo, 1.4.1
Suono e Monitor, 1.3.3
TCP/IP, 1.3
Testo, 7.1
Utenti & Gruppi, 8.0
System Folder
Doc. Archivio Appunti, 7.5
Finder, 8.1
System, 8.1

 Maurizio Maggiore
ciao stefano

Prova ad usare Alsoft Disk Warrior 1.1
Ciao
Ferr :-)


 Avendo acquistato un disco IBM Deskstar ATA/66 da 13.5 GB, l'ho


 The B-tree was rebuilt.
Se ti da un errore nel B-Tree le cose non vanno per niente bene...
Ciao,
Joshua
--
Outside of a dog a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog is too dark to read
                                Groucho Marx
---------------------------------

 System, 8.1
Guarda che se hai  Mac OS 8.6 e Norton vede 8.1 devi avere qualche
vecchia Cartella Sistema che fa casino
Ciao,
        Silk
-- 
 "Pensare in modo diverso può essere rischioso,
ma offre un grande vantaggio.
Quello di appartenere a una minoranza"
Pubblicità Bang & Olufsen ;-)

 questo comportamento.?????
Eccome! settalo come slave.

 >


 > "dia la paglia" alle norton...!!!
Confermo: Tech Tool e'una bomba e anche piu' veloce delle Norton,bye
Franco.